weechat (source: weechat): Fast, light and extensible chat client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.1-2 (saucy), package size 1 kB, installed size 31 kB\n<MartijnVdS> Myrtti: weechat? sounds like the thing you do while.. doing your business at the urinals\n<Myrtti> I didn't name it, don't blame mee\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<MooDoo> morning brobostigon\n<ali1234> directhex: why haven't they hired you yet?\n<brobostigon> morning MooDoo\n<MooDoo> someone want to hire me, I make good tea :D\n<MartijnVdS> MooDoo: hmmm tea\n<brobostigon> coffee :)\n<MartijnVdS> brobostigon: heathen!\n<brobostigon> heh :(\n<MartijnVdS> :P\n<brobostigon> need to find a new strap for my pebble, the rubber strap isnt ideal.\n<MooDoo> MartijnVdS: 24k a year to make you tea and you're on ;)\n<MartijnVdS> MooDoo: only if you do the dishes too 8-)\n<MooDoo> MartijnVdS: steady on there\n<bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)\n<MooDoo> morning\n<Laney> cold this morning\n<knightwise> hey Laney\n<knightwise> good morning :)\n<Laney> ey up\n<knightwise> it is .. and it is supposed to be cold :)\n<foobarry> quite rfreshing\n<knightwise> high time it got chilly . Weather has been so fracked up , my neighbours peacocks are screaming in the morning.\n<knightwise> normally they dont do that untill march\n<ali1234> \"AAAAAAARGH\" - a peacock, yesterday\n<Laney> yeah, saw some plant shoots the other day that shouldn't have happened for a couple of months\n<Laney> bet these frosts have done them in\n<MooDoo> surprised it's sunny here i am, was expecting rain.\n<MartijnVdS> Laney: you've had frost then? We haven't even had that..\n<MooDoo> MartijnVdS: was quite thick yesterday not so much this morning\n<bigcalm> directhex: what's next in store for ye old Ye Olde SteamOSe?\n<MartijnVdS> retro gaming? 8-)\n * MartijnVdS actually fired up an old PS/2 (386DX!) this weekend. And it still worked\n<directhex> bigcalm, excellent question. i don't really know - much of its reason to exist is gone now\n<directhex> radical change in scope? hmph\n<bigcalm> What features didn't they include?\n<directhex> i haven't had a chance to analyse yet\n<directhex> am on the clock\n<bigcalm> Fair enough :)\n<BigRedS> Argh. Has anyone here worked out how to get an SMTP server delisted as a spam-sender by google?\n<MartijnVdS> by not sending spam?\n<BigRedS> yeah we stopped doing that three days ago\n<MartijnVdS> * don't be on \"residential IP space\"\n<BigRedS> and everyone else delisted us about two and a half days ago\n<BigRedS> nah, it's a proper smtp server\n<MartijnVdS> * have your host name + reverse mapping correctly (so foo.com -> 1.2.3.4 AND 4.3.2.1.in-addr.arpa -> foo.com)\n<BigRedS> yep\n<BigRedS> it's a shared mailserver, and at least some of the domains are spfed up\n<BigRedS> but everyone else at least has a form where you can fess up and say \"but we've fixed it, take our mail?\". It took MS about 15 minutes...\n<MartijnVdS> BigRedS: apparently, Google's 5xx rejection code contains an URL\n * popey bites the bullet and orders 16GB for his X220\n<MartijnVdS> BigRedS: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126\n<MartijnVdS> popey: \\o/ 16G\n<MooDoo> popey: where you get that from, I've just had a look at crucial and their system says it'll only hold 8gb, might be wrong - http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listparts.aspx?model=Thinkpad%20X220&Cat=RAM\n<BigRedS> MartijnVdS: yeah, that one ends with suggestions on how to form marketing emails\n<popey> its wrong\n<MooDoo> obviously if you purchased 16gb lo\n<popey> i canvassed the internets first\n<BigRedS> I did find a form for bulk senders to apply for some sort of permission which I've filled in, but it's very much \"I send lots of mail\" and not \"I run this mailserver\"\n<MooDoo> ah it officially supports 8gb, but people have been putting in 2x8gb chips into the 2 slots.\n<davmor2> Morning all\n<bigcalm> Morning davmor2\n<MooDoo> morning davmor2\n<davmor2> MooDoo, bigcalm: how are you both?\n<bigcalm> davmor2: experiencing a very long day\n<MooDoo> davmor2: I'm fab :)\n<davmor2> bigcalm: must be a long day if you are experiencing it this early on :)\n<davmor2> MooDoo: excellent :)\n<bigcalm> davmor2: my spy camera, I mean laptop, arrives tomorrow\n<bigcalm> I've been wearing my headphones since 9am and yet haven't listened to any music yet. Forgetting they are there and getting engrossed in my work...\n<MooDoo> bigcalm: comfy then\n<foobarry> my ones hurt the top of my head :(\n<foobarry> need more cushion\n<bigcalm> MooDoo: this headset is surprisingly so, more so than my cans which are meant to be higher quality\n<MooDoo> I borrow my sons over the ear ones, but they are terrible and leave me ear sore after about 10 min\n<MooDoo> s\n<Seeker`> I wish I could get another pair of sennheiser HD457s\n<bigcalm> That's what my cans do as well as leaving a dent in my hair where the connecting band sits\n<popey> I am using bluetooth headphones\n<popey> wired\n<popey> because bluetooth sucks\n<bigcalm> Heh\n<MartijnVdS> bluetooth is great. To connect my phone to my car stereo (for navigation & music)\n<popey> it keeps timing out\n<popey> dont know if its the cans or ubuntu\n<Seeker`> popey: try them on your mac?\n * MartijnVdS wonders how to work the NFC bit in his laptop\n<MartijnVdS> apparently, a driver has been loaded.\n<davmor2> popey: desktop or phone or both?\n<popey> hah\n<popey> desktop\n<popey> phone doesn't work at all\n<davmor2> popey: I have a feeling it is ubuntu I tried my headset on android and it works fine\n<popey> yeah\n<SengSoft> I have become attached to the Synapse App that I installed last night , successfully , in Ubuntu-Mate_Desktop 13.10 , https://twitter.com/Noobslab/status/169558718122426368 . : Nothing else to say ..no-Comeback . Off to Smithfields .. Applets FTW ! .\n<SengSoft> https://imgur.com/AqHbiTm\n * Seeker` can't find any good headphones :(\n<bigcalm> Bloomin spammers\n<bigcalm> Is it Wednesday yet?\n<davmor2> bigcalm: NO!\n<foobarry> nicest usb creator i've found is windows only :(\n<foobarry> called rufus\n<YaManicKill> Is it friday?\n<YaManicKill> foobarry: dd? :-P\n<popey> yeah, i use dd\n<foobarry> dd doesn't work for all isos\n<foobarry> ...does it?\n<BigRedS> I'm one of those people whose never had a problem with unetbootin :)\n<popey> which ones dont work?\n<foobarry> this is for a esxi installer iso\n<YaManicKill> I've not had one not work for a long time.\n<BigRedS> Don't the ISOs have to be crafted with that in mind? or does USB boot Just Work with an iso9660 image?\n<foobarry> if dd worked, then why did vmware write this page ? https://pubs.vmware.com/vsphere-50/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.vmware.vsphere.install.doc_50%2FGUID-33C3E7D5-20D0-4F84-B2E3-5CD33D32EAA8.html\n<YaManicKill> There was a nice one that ran on ubuntu that I tried a while ago. Weird English translations, as it was French, but it worked.\n<popey> gosh thats complicated\n<directhex> the ISO needs to be crafted with that in mind\n<BigRedS> VMWare seem to have put some effort in to making that not-straightforward\n<directhex> basically you stick an MBR boot sector in the first few bytes of the ISO9660 image, in a space which is basically padding\n<directhex> you only need 432 bytes for a boot sector\n<BigRedS> yeah, that's the sort of thing I thought was going on\n<YaManicKill> Ah, multisystem. http://liveusb.info/dotclear/\n<YaManicKill> That's the one I used for a while.\n<YaManicKill> Lets you stick multiple isos on and not had any issues with anything.\n<directhex> there are basically 4 different ways to boot: BIOS from CD, BIOS from USB, UEFI from CD, UEFI from USB. you need 4 boot loaders - one for each\n<directhex> UEFI from CD: you create a tiny FAT32 partition with a boot loader EFI application inside, and embed it in an el torito floppy record\n<directhex> UEFI from USB: just make sure the first partition on your USB stick is FAT32, and contains an EFI boot loader\n<directhex> BIOS from CD: 432 byte boot sector in an el torito floppy record\n<directhex> BIOS from USB: 432 bytes at the start of the drive, with a small offset\n<directhex> the trick is making a .iso which is all 4 of these things at once\n<directhex> this also ignores macs, which expect HFS+\n<DJones> C4RR3: Just £16.99 a month\n<DJones> Phone cost Free\n<DJones> Grr\n<DJones> Mis-paste\n<BigRedS> Miss Paste? Sounds lovely\n<azamat> hi @all . On my ubuntu 13.10, sound goes to maximum sometimes. Why is that?\n<bigcalm> Sometimes my workstation boots with audio muted. One of those things (tm)\n<YaManicKill> Yeah, me too.\n<MooDoo> I can catch the mouse roller wheel and sometimes that takes it to maximum\n<bigcalm> I wish that devices with wifi all came with a standard port to attach an external aerial\n<bigcalm> Ran out of ethernet ports on my router in my office so I'm not using the wifi on my workstation\n<Dave2> was \"not\" meant to be \"now\"?\n<bigcalm> Yes\n<bigcalm> The workstation in under my desk and about 4 feet from the wifi router - yet my workstation isn't showing a stong signal\n<bigcalm> Plus, I get about 3MB/s max when transferring between server and workstation :(\n<Dave2> Might I suggest buying a switch\n<bigcalm> s/in/is\n<bigcalm> Dave2: I want this one but don't have the money: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Netgear-Wireless-N-Port-Gigabit-Firewall/dp/B005UGRIIG/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=LXT6MFP2WUWA&coliid=I3M4BGF1YGV466\n<bigcalm> To replace the wifi router I am using\n<bigcalm> Really need to keep down the number of mains sockets in use\n<ormiret> I'm intrigued; why do you care how many sockets are in use?\n<Dave2> that's... a bit pricy\n<bigcalm> ormiret: because one _can_ have too many\n<bigcalm> Dave2: yep, a cheaper alternative would be nice :)\n<Dave2> Cheaper alternative: a switch and a power brick thing\n<bigcalm> *grumble*\n<bigcalm> I used to have a switch until I gave it away on freecycle\n<bigcalm> Was only 10/100 though\n<Dave2> you can buy a switch for £hardlyanything\n<Dave2> http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-SG1005D-Gigabit-Unmanaged-Desktop/dp/B000N99BBC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1390307440&sr=8-2&keywords=tp-link+switch £12.48\n<MartijnVdS> I have one of those in white I think\n<MartijnVdS> works great\n<Dave2> Instant Order Update for Dave Wickham. You purchased this item on 20 Nov 2011. View this order.\n<MartijnVdS> 8-)\n<diplo> I have one of those TP Link ones as well, is good\n<bigcalm> I guess\n<Dave2> I should buy the 8 port one though, because I'm running out of sockets and have run out of network ports.\n<Dave2> This is a switch that's attached to my router.\n<bigcalm> I should build some shelves to put the server and other bits on. My desk it getting messy\n * MartijnVdS ponders http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-SG1016DE-16-Port-Gigabit-Management/dp/B00DQ4ED7S\n<Dave2> hah\n<Dave2> My understanding is that the cheap TP-Link switches have the same chipset as that one, and so are effectively dumb managed switches\n<Dave2> (May be wrong on that)\n<MartijnVdS> Dave2: except the cheaper ones don't have an IP to talk to for management\n<Dave2> Hence the dumb bit\n<bigcalm> My router is running openwrt, so I don't really need a managed switch\n<Dave2> Those two statements don't really follow on from one another\n<bigcalm> Ta for the advice, I might order an 8 port plastic one\n<bigcalm> They don't?\n<MartijnVdS> Dave2: well, the ethernet ports built into a router like that could be used like managed switch ports\n<bigcalm> For my use, I just need extra ports. So unmanaged seems to make sense?\n<Dave2> No; your router has a managed switch built in, but if you did want to have vlan tagging, then you would lose the ability to have a trunked port going to the switch with different vlan tagging going on there.\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: usually, yes.\n<Dave2> Of course, you probably don't actually care about any of that\n<MartijnVdS> though managed switches can be higher throughput (paradoxically)\n<bigcalm> Dave2: I see and you are correct in this instance :)\n<bigcalm> Any advantage of getting a metal one rather than plastic?\n<Dave2> I'm not sure what the other differences are.\n<Dave2> Metal is nicer.\n<bigcalm> This is true\n<MartijnVdS> you could connect the metal case to ground, I suppose\n * bigcalm measures his office for putting up shelves\n<bigcalm> Can't decide if I want to put shelves on the whole of the wall behind my desk or to leave space for art work\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: behind your desk as in \"in front of you when using the desk\" or \"behind you when using it\"\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS: in front of me when I'm using it\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: then use it for art. Put the shelves behind you\n * MartijnVdS wishes he'd done that\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS: not enough room behind me. This is the smallest bedroom in the house and only really fits my desk and my chair\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/414351141859000322\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: ah. hmm\n<bigcalm> Time for a new photo\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/425616683739262976/photo/1\n<diplo> bigcalm: Corner shelves above the printer ?\n<bigcalm> diplo: I was wondering about using the whole of the left hand wall for shelves and include the corner\n<bigcalm> So many choices\n<bigcalm> In the very bottom left of the photo you can see the door handle of the open door\n<RaxMatt> hullo\n<popey> hi\n<RaxMatt> how are we all today?\n<popey> meh\n<RaxMatt> oh\n<RaxMatt> something happened?\n<MartijnVdS> it's a grey day outside here\n<MooDoo> i think everyone is having one of those dayas todya\n<Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/archives/date-taken/2014/01/21/ greetings from Finland\n<RaxMatt> it was extremely foggy here at raxtowers this morning\n<foobarry> MooDoo: i certainly am having one of those days\n<MooDoo> foobarry: yeah me to, but mine is coz i'm tired 3 hours of sleep last night\n<MartijnVdS> MooDoo: been out partying?\n<MooDoo> MartijnVdS: no little one came into the bedroom at 3am wide awake\n<MartijnVdS> MooDoo: ah, so someone else was out partying ;)\n<MooDoo> MartijnVdS: if she was she's in trouble. then again who knows what 2 year olds get up to while we're asleep ;)\n<MartijnVdS> :)\n<popey> yay, my ram is coming via DPD\n<foobarry> if my boy doesn't wake me up in the night he gets to put marbles in his reward jar\n<MartijnVdS> popey: already? that's quick!\n<foobarry> so the laptop will break 1 week from now?\n<foobarry> or 1 day after support runs out\n<popey> its got a year or so support left\n<bigcalm> What was the bz2 method that people suggested I used for compressing a 4.2GB mysql dump?\n<YaManicKill> rm\n<YaManicKill> that's the most efficient compression I know :-P\n<davmor2> bigcalm: you know when you open a browser and in the middle is this google text box :P were you after the compression format or the command to do it?\n<bigcalm> davmor2: I use `tar jcvf foo.tar.bz2 foo`. Somebody suggested a better method\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: there's create_dump_on_stdout_somehow | bzip2 -9 > dump.bz2\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: if you want moar compression, try xz\n<bigcalm> I have the dump now. Just want to compress it for xfer to my server\n<MartijnVdS> xz -9 file -- why tar if it's one file?\n<bigcalm> I normally use zxvf for one handed quickness but thought that bz2 was meant to be better for some reason\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS: muscle memory :)\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: tar is smart with extensions now I think -- the \"j\" or \"z\" don't matter anymore -- at least when extracting\n<bigcalm> Oh, xz is a utility. I'll give it a go :)\n<MartijnVdS> gz < bz2 < xz (compression-ratio wise, usually)\n<MartijnVdS> (some files might gzip better or bzip better, but most will xz the best)\n<davmor2> MartijnVdS: so for the next person to beat xzip they will need to do zzip but then it just sounds like your machine is sleeping when you run the command zz\n<MartijnVdS> davmor2: well they could do yzip instead\n<MartijnVdS> davmor2: and/or skip to greek letters\n<MartijnVdS> µzip sounds nice and micro :)\n<davmor2> MartijnVdS: yeah but then it sounds like a question\n<davmor2> why zip\n * MartijnVdS used \"arj\" last week\n<MartijnVdS> well, unarj\n<davmor2> MartijnVdS, bigcalm: I quite like 7zips archive it is pretty compact\n<bigcalm> I'm looking for speed more than compression I guess\n<MartijnVdS> davmor2: 7zip uses lzma, same as xz, but xz actually has a unixy file format ;)\n<bigcalm> I'll give xz a go\n<davmor2> bigcalm: 7zip is fast so I assume that xz should be too\n<MartijnVdS> 7zip decompression is fast\n<MartijnVdS> compression isn't really\n<MartijnVdS> if you want fast, try gzip -1 ;)\n<bigcalm> I do need to actually compress the file as well :P\n<bigcalm> Ah, lunch is ready :)\n<foobarry> \"3 billion devices run java\"\n<foobarry> i wonder how many are up to date\n<Seeker`> 3\n<directhex> javacard.\n<directhex> runs on SIM cards\n<MartijnVdS> isn't that a very special very stripped-down thing though\n<bigcalm> 4.1GB MySQL dump -> xz for 9m43.448s -> 165MB .xz file\n<foobarry> shhh\n<bigcalm> Sorry, didn't mean to wake you\n<YaManicKill> That amused me more than it probably should...\n<bigcalm> ETA (from pv) to import the database is 1 hour\n * bigcalm does some other stuff\n<davmor2> bigcalm: that sounds a bit more portable\n<bigcalm> Can anybody recommend some very simple software for chopping section out of an mp3?\n<Myrtti> a specific section or just splitting it?\n<foobarry> more simple than audacity?\n<bigcalm> A specific section\n<bigcalm> foobarry: I currently know of no software, so any suggestions would be good\n<Myrtti> audacity is good\n<bigcalm> Ta, I'll give it a go\n<foobarry> ffmpeg can cut sections too\n<bigcalm> Simple implying GUI ;)\n<foobarry> i refer you to prevous answer :)\n<Myrtti> ooer http://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/20207/why-are-airline-passengers-asked-to-lift-up-window-shades-during-takeoff-and-lan?utm_source=google&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=travel-promotion&utm_content=travel-promo-windows-google\n<foobarry> got a summary?\n<Myrtti> so that there's more eyes to see if there's problems and the passangers eyesight is acclimatized to the outside lighting if there's a need to evacuate\n<Myrtti> same reason why during takeoff and landing in the dark the lights are turned off\n<foobarry> so for crashy reasons\n<Myrtti> yeah - apparently european officials require that the plane needs to be able to be evacuated in 90sec\n<bigcalm> My db import finally finished: 4.08GB 0:40:35 [1.72MB/s]\n<foobarry> i was a fire marshall once, only to find out when the fire drill was\n<foobarry> get the lift down 26 flights before you have to walk\n<Myrtti> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1uzne_a380-emergency-evacuation-test_tech\n<bigcalm> Love the comment \"That was really funny! anyone want to chat with a cutie like me^^? :))\"\n<diddledan__> bigcalm: yeah, I would. you cute thing you.\n<bigcalm> o.O\n<diddledan__> :-p\n * foobarry closes irc for a bit\n<diddledan__> foobarry: was it _that_ offensive that I might think bigcalm is cute? :-o\n<foobarry> umm\n * foobarry goes away\n<diddledan__> lol\n<diddledan__> I think that's a yes then\n<foobarry> i'm not used to seeing the word cutie on irc\n<diddledan__> true, let's tru QT\n<diddledan__> try*\n<diddledan__> ubuntu phone ftw\n<popey> \\o/\n<bigcalm> One of the advantages of recording all sky calls is getting rather odd snippets like this one: http://discworld.cuth.eu/dump/yelling.mp3\n<Dave2> SKY CALLS\n<bigcalm> skype\n<Dave2> Heavenly conversations\n<firefox> Hello, I have a question about my computer. It was given to me by a friend and she told me the password but it will not take it anymore and i cannot do anything but basic stuff. No administration stuff. Is there any way to override the password\n<directhex> firefox, ubuntu computer?\n<firefox> yes\n<diddledan__> firefox: you need to reboot into single user mode and replace the password using `passwd` utility.\n<diddledan__> either that or do some dohickery in the live dvd\n<firefox> ok thanks\n<firefox> i will try it\n<diddledan__> that might be easier but needs another pc available to burn the dvd\n<diddledan__> I hate that grub is so difficult to get to appear with quiet boot - I've still not found a sure-fire way of getting the menu up\n<directhex> ask it nicely!\n<foobarry> left shift key?\n<diddledan__> \"computer... oh computer...\"; \"scotty, try this\"; \"oh a keyboard, how quaint\"\n<popey> AlanBell: http://designspark.com/eng/blog/day-one-with-parallella\n<AlanBell> popey: nice, I am looking forward to it turning up\n * MartijnVdS has soup!\n<DJones> bigcalm: You know that laptop you ordered? Has it arrived yet, or are you going to cancel and order one of these http://www.maximumpc.com/dell_reaffirms_commitment_project_sputnik_launches_new_ubuntu_laptop_developers2013\n<popey> thats the touch screen one? I do like the look of them\n<MartijnVdS> if they're like the XPS12, they're great\n<ali1234> i don't understand how they can put an i7 in a 13\" and not have it melt a hole through the floor into the core of the earth\n<ali1234> china syndrome style...\n<MartijnVdS> ali1234: Magic\n<diddledan__> thems look sleek\n<diddledan__> for anyone looking seriously at them: http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd\n<bigcalm> DJones: it's due to arrive tomorrow\n<bigcalm> Though the order tracking page says that it is still in Cina\n<foobarry> curse of the big clam\n<foobarry> in other news http://lifehacker.com/the-most-and-least-reliable-hard-drive-brands-1505797966\n<MartijnVdS> So me not buying seagate is a good decision\n<directhex> no no no they used GREENS?\n<directhex> are they freaking mentally ill?\n<foobarry> any bad seagate ones are probably maxtor in their genes\n<foobarry> annual failure rate of one specific piece of kit is running around 15% so far, and still 3 months left\n<JanC> only 8 GiB of RAM?\n * popey will be looking out for DPD guy for his 16GB RAM! :D\n<JanC> ali1234: that's a massively underclocked i7, remember?\n<ali1234> yeah i suspected something like that\n<JanC> U series\n<bigcalm> popey: you are going to get your ram before I get my laptop. Slightly miffed about that for some reason\n<popey> hah\n<bigcalm> Wifey has gone to a friend's place for a wee drink. Which means I'll be picking her up later. Which means I'm off the sauce tonight\n * bigcalm twiddles thumbs\n<bigcalm> Sod it, I'll fix some broken unit tests\n<moreati> bigcalm: your spy cam arrived yet?\n<bigcalm> moreati: order tracking page says tomorrow. Then again, it also says that it's still in China\n<bigcalm> moreati: I was hoping to bring it to the LUG\n<Scratman> Greetings all\n<Scratman> I have an issue with my machine, if I type http://127.0.0.1:8081 into my browser, my browser advises that it is unable to connect, how can I resolve this?\n<directhex> um... why do you expect something to reply on port 8081?\n<Scratman> directhex I'm following a tutorial to stream my webcam over my network, link http://cjjulius.wordpress.com/2013/05/31/creating-a-simple-linux-webcam-server/\n<directhex> lsof -i :8081\n<Scratman> copy and paste to terminal?\n<directhex> yes\n<Scratman> Done\n<Scratman> Leaves me back at the default prompt scratman@scratman:~$\n<Scratman> Still unable to connect at http://127.0.0.1:8081/\n<directhex> lsof would tell you which apps are running and listening on port 8081\n<directhex> did it report anything?\n<Scratman> One moment\n<Scratman> Nothing\n<bigcalm> Did running motion do anything?\n<Scratman> Just restarted the process, it's running, but lsof -i still reports nothing\n<directhex> ok, so you aren't running anything which would be listening to you on port 8081\n<directhex> Scratman, which process is the motion process? you said it's running, do you know the PID?\n<bigcalm> px aux | grep motion\n<Scratman> px: command not found\n<bigcalm> Oops\n<bigcalm> ps\n<bigcalm> Slip of the finger\n<bigcalm> ps aux | grep motion\n<Scratman> Motion ID 8051\n<Scratman> in motion.conf under Live Webcam Server it states:- webcam_port 8081\n<Scratman> have I done something stupid, or is this confusing?\n<Scratman> scratman 8051 12.6 0.3 46880 13656 ? Sl 22:35 0:50 motion\n<Scratman> scratman 9386 0.0 0.0 4392 828 pts/3 S+ 22:42 0:00 grep --color=auto motion\n<directhex> there is definitely a motion process with PID 8051\n<Scratman> ps aux | grep motion returned 2 lines, first was : scratman 8051 12.6 0.3 46880 13656 ? Sl 22:35 0:50 motion\n<directhex> lsof -iPn | grep 8051\n<Scratman> lsof: unknown protocol name (Pn) in: -i Pn\n<directhex> grr\n<directhex> -i -P -n\n<Scratman> lsof -i -P -n ?\n<diddledan__> sudo netstat -anp might help, also\n<Scratman> directhex what am I looking for?\n<Scratman> diddledan-- What am I looking for?\n<directhex> Scratman, evidence of the motion process actually listening on *any* port\n<diddledan__> Scratman: your motion process - if it's there then it'll tell you what port it's listening on\n<diddledan__> you _could_ pass the output through grep\n<Scratman> Motion isn't listed in either result.....\n<diddledan__> then it hasn't opened aport at all\n<Scratman> Well, that would explain why firefox doesn't find it....\n<Scratman> Now I need to work out how to make it open a port.\n<Scratman> I don't understand why it's not opening a port.....\n<Scratman> and to be honest, I'm too tired to work it out tonight\n<Scratman> Thanks for the help guys, I'll have a think, check the man page tomorrow, and see how I get on\n<Scratman> gOODBYE\n<Scratman> Sorry, caps lock. Goodbye.\n<diddledan> yey for ip6\n<daftykins> O_O\n#ubuntu-uk 2014-01-22\n<bigcalm> directhex: renewed interest in the torrent for release 4. Wonder what sparked that\n<daftykins> aww i missed the communal seeding drive of a new'un\n * bigcalm sleeps\n<daftykins> nn sir\n<diddledan> *yawwn*\n<diddledan> should really sleep\n<diddledan> messing with nameservers right now tho\n<MooDoo> morning all\n<JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Celebration Of Life Day! :-D\n<MooDoo> morning JamesTait\n<MartijnVdS> \\o\n<diplo> Morning all\n<MooDoo> morning diplo\n<diplo> Rather liveley here this morning!\n<MooDoo> never is this time of the morming, people are only just waking up\n * diplo would be quite happy still in bed\n<MooDoo> diplo: me too\n<JamesTait> Me three.\n<knightwise> morning everyone\n<jussi> hrm, seems my clock disappeared (on ubuntu). anyone know how to get it back?\n<ali1234> restart indicator-datetime-service\n<ali1234> open shell and run \"/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-datetime-service &\"\n<popey> http://blog.backblaze.com/2014/01/21/what-hard-drive-should-i-buy/ interesting\n<jussi> hrm, not going to work, still on 32bit here\n<popey> /usr/lib/*/indicator-datetime-service &\n<popey> then\n<ali1234> then you have a 32 bit equivalent path\n<Myrtti> oh my GAWD there was something bright and flashing I could see from the corner of my eye on my pillow\n<Myrtti> two concecutive glances and it's only a pillow\n<Myrtti> now I realise it's the SUN COMING FROM THE WINDOW\n<jussi> ali1234: and popey, yup, that fixed it. thanks\n<MooDoo> Myrtti: sun? sun? lies, there is no such thing\n<Myrtti> http://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/weather/tampere\n<popey> bah, ram is being delivered when I am at the optician\n<popey> \\o/ dpd allow me to redirect to neighbour\n<jussi> MooDoo: open ther blinds... :P\n<MooDoo> Myrtti: nice :)\n<MooDoo> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2641170 here's mone\n * MooDoo senses popey is a little excited at getting his RAM\n<popey> JUST A BIT\n<hoover> Morning lads & lassies\n<MooDoo> morning hoover\n<BigRedS> Gooood Morning!\n<bashrc> morning\n<MooDoo> It's a beautiful day hay hay !\n<MooDoo> popey: how spooky, I just read that backblaze blog post yesterday....been using their service for a couple of months, took about a week to do my initial backup :S\n<popey> oh interesting, I haven't used their service. any good?\n<popey> and does it work on linux?\n<MooDoo> popey: er not sure about linux, it's on a spare windows machine I have, don't think there is a linux clietn\n<MooDoo> popey: not at the moment - https://help.backblaze.com/entries/20203476-Is-Backblaze-going-to-offer-Linux-support-\n<diddledan> *yawwn*\n<MooDoo> diplo: coffee\n<diddledan> definitely\n<bigcalm> A client has asked me to set up a VPN with the endpoint of 192.168.1.127/31. Am I right in thinking that you can't use anything but a /32 with an odd number?\n<bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)\n<diddledan> bigcalm: a /31 doesn't make sense in the real world\n<bigcalm> diddledan: it's just 2 IP addresses for use with a VPN\n<diddledan> are you sure?\n<bigcalm> Quite sure, it's what we've been setting up for sometime now\n<diddledan> 1bit = 2 addresses, network id is one and broadcast is the other, meaning 0 usable ip addresses\n<diddledan> host ip addresses**\n<MartijnVdS> that, or a point-to-point link\n<bigcalm> I assure you, what we are doing works :)\n<diddledan> but anywho .127/31 is .127 and .127\n<diddledan> .126 and .127\n<bigcalm> I'm not explaining the whole set-up. Just that I think Rackspace will reject the .127/31 request. .126/31 would work though\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: throw it at ipcalc :)\n * bigcalm passes on the request as the client has stated, just to see what happens\n<TheOpenSourcerer> I used to have Hitachi and Samsung drives and thought they were good. Samsung drives went to Seagate, Hitachi now gone to WD... http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/putting-hard-drive-reliablity-to-the-test-shows-not-all-disks-are-equal/\n<foobarry> golden rule used to be \"don't buy maxtor\"\n<diddledan> lol\n<diddledan> maxtor were fun\n<MooDoo> I just use WD drives, never had a problem with them yet\n<TheOpenSourcerer> Seagate look absolutely terrible in this report\n<diddledan> I try to stick with WD too\n<foobarry> they used a particular seagate model, which probably is made in the maxtor factory\n<foobarry> seagates with seagate DNA were good IME\n<foobarry> where are quantum fireballs now?\n<MartijnVdS> foobarry: quantum bigfoot!\n<TheOpenSourcerer> UK unemployment down again, and by 167k last month... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25841570\n<foobarry> you mean uk employment statistics...\n<jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: good news!\n<bashrc> Is this unemployment down, or people being no longer counted\n<TheOpenSourcerer> You'd need to ask the ONC I guess.\n<foobarry> we have struggled to hire for ages\n<bashrc> when I was unemployed I was recommended to \"sign off\" on a couple of occasions, even though I was looking for a job\n<foobarry> only attracting people on the continent, which means UK people want more munneh\n<jussi> foobarry: I think we have had some similar issues with hiring. mind, finding good embedded SW people isnt the easiest...\n<bashrc> struggling to hire is laughable given the current situation\n<TheOpenSourcerer> It isn't bashrc\n<TheOpenSourcerer> The UK has generally failed miserably to educate our kids for the last 20 years in anything remotely \"technical\"\n<foobarry> considering we are paying OK wages\n<bashrc> if you're struggling to hire then you're not offering a market clearing rate\n<jussi> bashrc: there are plenty of applicants, however, qualified, experienced people...\n<foobarry> but everything is 10-15% more expensive than a couple of years ago, so bashrc thats correct but HR don't agree\n<bashrc> there are lots of smart people out there\n<foobarry> earning moer money\n<bashrc> if you're not offering a market clearing rate then htat's the explanation. It's not that there aren't enough suitable candidates\n<TheOpenSourcerer> There are a lot more \"less smart\" people than smart ones... Esp. in tech.\n<foobarry> $employer is hiring contractors at london market rates, but permies on much lower salary = death of dept.\n<diddledan> and then there's idiots... like me.\n<jussi> bashrc: I put it to you that you are wrong.\n<jussi> but then again, we are looking for very specific skill sets\n<bashrc> I'm not seeing many fewer folks coming out of universities. Are all of those people unemployable. That doesn't seem plausible\n<foobarry> my problem is inflexible HR process\n<foobarry> we see good people sometimes but cannot tweak our JD or pay scale up or down to accomodate them\n<jussi> yeah, I think for us, its more that there is right now a gap in the market for certain skill sets, with experience.\n<bashrc> I've seen recent university science graduates become unix hackers within a few months of employment\n<bashrc> so I don't think htere is an IQ deficit\n<MooDoo> are employers wanting experience or grades, I know that i'd prefer experience over a uni degree\n<foobarry> experience propped up with a degree\n<MooDoo> :)\n<foobarry> there are exceptions but i feel a good Bsc degree underpins your approach to work\n<foobarry> even affecting guys in their 30s+ who don't seem to understand principles of computing\n<MartijnVdS> foobarry: I don't know.. lots of BSc's I know knew a lot of theory, not much practice.\n<BigRedS> I keep meaning to do a CS 101 style course to get some of the underlying theory down\n<MooDoo> I don't have a degree and I seem to be doing ok for myself lol\n<BigRedS> most of my knowledge of how computers work is related directly to kernel complaints\n<BigRedS> MartijnVdS: yeah, I think a degree for the theory plus experience for the practice is what's being advocated\n<diplo> Anyone heard from SuperMatt ?\n<ali1234> the problem is that employers want a degree and 5 years of experience and they also want you to be 22 so they can pay you as little as possible\n<MooDoo> diplo: not lately, probably too busy with rackspace.\n<BigRedS> ali1234: I think a problem is the vagueness. When I was looking for work most positions were really vague on what they wanted\n<BigRedS> \"£22K+; a PHd in CS would be an advantage but isn't essential\"\n<BigRedS> so \"We'll consider anybody, but not give any clues as to what the position is\"\n<ali1234> that means one of two things\n<ali1234> either there is no position, or it means you will be the sole \"computer expert\" for the entire company\n<diplo> I can't see sometimes how this advantage is with having a phd.. I had lots of consultants in at my last place. Qualified till the hilt with sod all real world experience except writing down 'This would be good for you' but with never implementing it\n<MartijnVdS> BigRedS: 22k£? Is that before or after tax?\n<BigRedS> Ah, they never made that clear either, so before\n<BigRedS> that was a made-up number\n<czajkowski> Aloha\n<MooDoo> morning Laura\n<czajkowski> ello\n<bigcalm> WAH!\n<bigcalm> ETA has moved to tomorrow\n<bigcalm> Oh well, back to work\n<DJones> Does anybody know how to change the data range for a chart in LibreOffice\n<MooDoo> jussi: are you anything to do with ubuntu bots?\n<MooDoo> jussi: it's ok ignore that\n<davmor2> Morning all\n * popey goes to get his eyes tested\n<bigcalm> No laptop for me today *sniff*\n<MooDoo> morning davmor2\n<davmor2> bigcalm: tell me you wouldn't think about getting this http://thisisnthappiness.com/post/74108351942/lego-escher\n<bigcalm> davmor2: seen it before and would love it as a kit\n<davmor2> bigcalm: Sue wants it so I can build it for her :D\n * czajkowski pokes davmor2 ello \n<davmor2> czajkowski: hello trouble how are you?\n<czajkowski> not bad looking at events I want to go to\n<czajkowski> and this one has caught my eye based on the name alone thegeekgathering.org\n<MooDoo> wow 2013 had some great speakers\n<MartijnVdS> MooDoo: 7.1? 5.1? 7.2?\n<MooDoo> MartijnVdS: excuse me? don't get you?\n<MartijnVdS> MooDoo: speakers.. 7 front 1 subwoofer, etc.\n<MooDoo> MartijnVdS: oh i meant people speakers at a conference...or were you trying to be funny ;)\n<MartijnVdS> MooDoo: both ;)\n<davmor2> MooDoo, MartijnVdS: see that would of worked if you said, Dolby Digital, mono or stereo? :)\n<MartijnVdS> davmor2: yeah :)\n<MartijnVdS> davmor2: Pro Logic, btw.\n<davmor2> MartijnVdS: haha\n<MooDoo> you're all gits\n<davmor2> MooDoo: geeks man you need to fix your autocorrect\n<MooDoo> davmor2: no I believe I was correct in the first instance ;)\n<MartijnVdS> MooDoo: <something about checking out and commmitting>\n<davmor2> MooDoo: well that as well :P\n<MooDoo> MartijnVdS: I hate committing :)\n<MartijnVdS> MooDoo: watch out for a detached head state then :)\n<MooDoo> MartijnVdS: I'd repond if I knew git ;)\n<RaxMatt> diplo: I'm here\n<davmor2> MooDoo: you only hate committing because when you do they put you in the padded room right ;)\n<MartijnVdS> MooDoo: you could just tag someone else\n<MooDoo> MartijnVdS: I prefer stab, and I can do that to czajkowski and davmor2 :D\n<DJones> MooDoo: davmor2 Its easy to tell the difference between geek & Git, git pull downloads software, geek pull normally downloads a punch\n<MartijnVdS> MooDoo: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/mr+stabby/ ?\n<MooDoo> MartijnVdS: like it :D\n<Myrtti> in other, exiting news http://phys.org/news/2014-01-fastest-real-world-fiber-14tbs.html\n<Myrtti> \"This is believed to be the fastest speed ever achieved in commercial grade hardware in a real-world environment and is equivalent to transmitting 44 uncompressed HD films in a single second.\n<Myrtti> \"\n<BigRedS> Is that the 14 year old?\n<diplo> RaxMatt: Was just going to see how things were going ?\n<MooDoo> BigRedS: ?\n<BigRedS> ah. no\n<RaxMatt> diplo: they're going very well thanks. It's a little slow this week because training isn't as forth coming as it otherwise would have been, but it's a lot of fun being here\n<BigRedS> there was a site going round the other day where a kid was saying he'd solved everyone's compression issues\n<BigRedS> I didn't see the URL before somehiow\n<MooDoo> global jam in a few months - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam\n<diplo> RaxMatt: Great, glad to hear it.. will have to keep us updated on it :)\n<RaxMatt> I shall\n<RaxMatt> though I'm sure you're all eager to know if I can get you a discount\n<RaxMatt> the answer is no\n<diplo> Nah, I've looked at jobs @ rackspace before, but it's to far away for me :/\n<diplo> And discounts, no! Free stuff, yeah! :P\n<MooDoo> ah RaxMatt wondered who you were :D\n<RaxMatt> :D\n<Myrtti> yeah, took me a while too\n<MooDoo> RaxMatt: are you there now? having fun?\n<RaxMatt> I am, and I am\n<MooDoo> RaxMatt: and you're on irc, result :D\n<bigcalm> davmor2: how does it look for tonight?\n<RaxMatt> well I'm not getting much in the way of training just yet, so I've been told I can do anything\n<RaxMatt> I'm not going to be able to do customer stuff for 6 weeks\n<davmor2> I'm going he is having an autopsy so no news about anything till Friday at the earliest\n<davmor2> bigcalm: ^]\n<MooDoo> RaxMatt: 6 weeks? that the learning term?\n<bigcalm> davmor2: hope you're okay man\n<MooDoo> davmor2: ?\n<davmor2> bigcalm: bit gutted but other than that I'm good thanks ;)\n<davmor2> MooDoo: uncle died at the weekend\n<bigcalm> davmor2: have an early wake for the man :)\n<MooDoo> davmor2: ah sorry to hear that chap\n<RaxMatt> MooDoo: yuppers!\n<MooDoo> RaxMatt: wow, and too busy to train you eh lol\n<RaxMatt> well, someone started last week, so they've started his training already (some of it already organised for this week). So they're gonna make me join his training from next week onwards, and play catch up with the things I didn't learn later in the 6 weeks\n<MooDoo> RaxMatt: self learning time it is then :D\n<MooDoo> RaxMatt: put your flag up :)\n<RaxMatt> I haven't got my flag yet. I'm gonna try and get a gotham city flag or a batman flag\n<MooDoo> lol\n<davmor2> RaxMatt: Walk outside and shout this linux and openstack thing is just never gonna work, you'll be amazed at how many people take the time to prove you wrong ;)\n<RaxMatt> hah, I'm not going to do that\n<davmor2> RaxMatt: You're just no fun at all are you :P Enjoy from what I understand they are a really cool team there :)\n<bigcalm> RaxMatt: why the change of nick?\n<RaxMatt> because I work for rackspace now\n<MooDoo> RaxMatt: now you'll have to start nominating people to work at rackspace -\n<bigcalm> RaxMatt: in the mean time you could assist Rory in working our our VPN problems ;)\n<davmor2> bigcalm: RaxMatt worked for superman before?\n<hoover> Hey biggie!\n<bigcalm> davmor2: ah, that would make sense\n<bigcalm> Hi hoovie :)\n<RaxMatt> bigcalm: nope, can't do customer stuff!\n<bigcalm> Poo\n<RaxMatt> plus, you might not be one of my customers\n<bigcalm> RaxMatt: it would be amusing if that happened\n<RaxMatt> brb, gonna get lunch from the exceptionally cheap hardrack cafe\n<bigcalm> Oh dear me\n<RaxMatt> basically if you're an smb spending less than 5K on linux, I'm your man\n<RaxMatt> brb\n<ali1234> that's funny, cos when i worked for an SMB spending less than 5k on linux, rackspace were basically \"yeah we don't do anything that small\"\n<bigcalm> I have no idea how much our client is spending with Rackspace.\n<ali1234> that was several years ago though\n<foobarry> arrrgh why did i update java..nothing works\n<foobarry> Starting with Java 7 Update 51, Java has enhanced security model to make user system less vulnerable to the external exploits. The new version of Java does not allow users to run the applications that are not signed (Unsigned), Self signed (not signed by trusted authority) and the applications that are missing permission attributes.\n<MartijnVdS> so actually useful updates\n<MartijnVdS> finally\n<Myrtti> foobarry: yeah, we got hit by that at work\n<knightwise> heya\n<foobarry> Myrtti: the suggested workaround doesn't have a site list\n<foobarry> security-edit site list no existy\n<foobarry> ah, because in windows, the control panel-Java points to the old version, how helpful\n<balor> Can anyone tell me the i10n shorthand for Wales? For example en-gb is British English, ga-ie is Gaelic Irish, what's Welsh? Internet searches suggest cy-gb, but CY is the ISO 3166 and TLD for Cyprus.\n<shauno> cy-gb should be correct\n<balor> http://cy.wikipedia.org is Welsh, so I suppose cy it is.\n<RaxMatt> ali1234: the difference now I guess is cloud computing\n<shauno> it's lang-country, where lang is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes and country you already have nailed\n<davmor2> balor: cy for Cymru\n<balor> davmor2, thanks. I'm sure the Cypriots are pleased :)\n<MartijnVdS> balor: well, they're having enough trouble figuring out if they're Greek or Turkish, right?\n<knightwise> MartijnVdS: your tip worked :)\n<knightwise> Wifi now restored to normal speeds on my notebook\n<knightwise> :)\n<davmor2> knightwise: oh what tip was that then?\n<knightwise> http://askubuntu.com/questions/119578/how-to-fix-slow-wireless-on-machines-with-intel-wireless-cards\n<knightwise> had a terrible time trying to mix up an intell wifi card and a broadcom chip on my Asus router\n<popey> \\o/ 16GB\n<foobarry> you know you marry well when you wife opens a convo \"\" Just got the fake windows call [scam]\"\n<foobarry> \"he hung up as soon as I said that it was interesting because I don't use windows\"\n<foobarry> my brother, an intelligent man, rang in a panic \"foobarry, this man is on the phone from canada saying people are attacking my pc right now\"\n<BigRedS> knightwise: iwlwifi.11n_disable=1 ?\n<MartijnVdS> it should still be slow\n<MartijnVdS> as 802.11g *is* slow :)\n<knightwise> BigRedS: correct\n<BigRedS> I was bemused to hear the other day that wifi comes in faster-than-54Mbps flavours\n<BigRedS> knightwise: yeah, I briefly didn't need that but I've gone back about ten kernels to Crunchbang and it's definitely necessary again\n<MartijnVdS> BigRedS: my advertised-as-300MBps doesn't really go that fast though :)\n<foobarry> are you guys seeing dropped packets etc?\n<foobarry> with pings, or other effects?\n<BigRedS> foobarry: on mine the thing just disappears and NM claims an inability to configure it\n<BigRedS> I can't remember in all honesty, I last debugged it about a year ago and have just shoved that line onto my cmdline fairly automatically since\n<foobarry> BigRedS: its fixed in later kernel?\n<BigRedS> not in whatever 13.10 had a month or so ago\n * diplo is hereing Mr popey on Linux Unplugged, thought I recognised the voice\n<diplo> :)\n<bigcalm> popey: as my laptop's ETA has changed to tomorrow, you have an extra day to make 14.04 be more awesome before I install it\n<popey> \"thanks\"\n<bigcalm> popey: most welcome ;)\n<bigcalm> popey: so are you running memtest on your new 16GB to see that it all works?\n<popey> i only run memtest when things break\n<popey> KiB Mem: 16314304 total, 7999684 used, 8314620 free, 1700 buffers\n<popey> seems to be working\n<MartijnVdS> time to open a few more tabs\n<MartijnVdS> you're not using >50% of it!\n<popey> or a VM or five\n<MartijnVdS> why not\n<BigRedS> what's everyone's favourite desktop virt? I'd like one that only does anything to my networking when it's actually running, ideally\n<ali1234> virtualbox?\n<BigRedS> Yeah, the only reason I have to not use that is 'oracle'\n<ali1234> virtualbox-ose?\n<BigRedS> which isn't a very good one\n<knightwise> Virtualbox :) I love its command line interface\n<foobarry> i use vmware player for occasional spin ups of vms\n<MartijnVdS> vbox is great.. until you want to suspend your laptop with a VM running\n<MartijnVdS> then it prevents suspend\n<ali1234> suspend the VM first\n<MartijnVdS> ali1234: it should do that for me, then bring it back on host-resume\n<popey> what do you want to virtualise?\n<MartijnVdS> a development box, created by vagrant\n<MartijnVdS> but I don't want to hunt down vagrant boxes when I need to catch my bus\n<ali1234> MartijnVdS: it can't be hard to implement\n<popey> ^ BigRedS â»\n<foobarry> kvm is good but not v nice tools\n<MartijnVdS> virsh is nice once you've used it a bit\n<MartijnVdS> but yeah it's a lot of manual stuff\n<dwatkins> there's a GUI for qemu, too\n<popey> !info virt-manager\n<lubotu3> virt-manager (source: virt-manager): desktop application for managing virtual machines. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.5-1ubuntu1.1 (saucy), package size 273 kB, installed size 3264 kB\n<foobarry> vmware does special things when it installs ubuntu - do others do that too?\n<foobarry> quick config type stuff\n<foobarry> virt-manager is so redhat\n<foobarry> ugly grey boxes, looks alpha quality\n<ali1234> do people say \"Q-M-U\" or \"kee-moo\"?\n<ali1234> i saw a video where some guy kept saying \"kee-moo\" and i had no idea what he was talking about for like 10 minutes\n<diddledan__> neither. que emu\n<ali1234> like the spanish?\n<ali1234> why would you say it like that?\n<diddledan__> no like queue\n<ali1234> like queue emu?\n<ali1234> like the bird?\n<popey> queue emu\n<popey> yes\n<popey> kyoo-eee-myoo\n<dwatkins> kew emm you\n<diddledan__> guy who recently left at work used to call it kwaymoo\n<MooDoo> oh that's strange as i call it kwem-oo\n<popey> potato/potato\n<diddledan__> spud\n<diddledan__> :-p\n<popey> tayto â czajkowski\n<foobarry> kwemu\n<diddledan__> can't go wrong with either \"tatties\" or \"spuds\" :-p\n<MooDoo> oh you said tatties ;)\n<dwatkins> t8r\n<davmor2> diddledan__: I can't call them tatties not after Russell Howard called breasts Tattiebojangles\n<diddledan__> lol\n<Myrtti> virt-manager is nice\n<diddledan__> I like the big bang theory name for a breast-centric magazine: \"bombay badonkadonks\"\n<czajkowski> :D\n<directhex> um...\n<directhex> that'd be butts, not breasts\n<Myrtti> my irssi vm got stuck waiting for a harddrive to appear that I've got with me in Finland and I just connected over qemu+ssh and fixed it\n<diddledan__> really?\n<directhex> really\n<diddledan__> shows how well I know my pr0n :-p\n<ali1234> i pity anyone reading this log... how to pronounce \"qemu\" to \"butts\" in 20 lines\n<diddledan__> ali1234: impressive, no?\n<davmor2> ali1234: I'm pretty sure we can discount about 10 lines of that from people being sensible :D\n<knightwise> Lol\n<foobarry> /clear\n<knightwise> I run all the services I need in VMs on top of my linux machine\n<knightwise> the linux \"host\" machine is basically a NAS with VMware software on it sharing out all the data via samba\n<diddledan__> knightwise: which hypervisor tech do you use?\n<diddledan__> aah\n<diddledan__> vmware server or workstation?\n<knightwise> Virtualbox on a LMDE machine\n<knightwise> 3 Vm\"s taking care of the different services like plex , remote login etc etc\n<directhex> vbox :'(\n<knightwise> that way I can easily swap out functionalities/servers without having to touch the base system\n<diddledan__> yeah, I don't like vbox since oracle pwn'd it\n<foobarry> massive headache incoming\n<foobarry> think i've caught the kids cold\n<BigRedS> popey: linuxes, generally debian\n<BigRedS> so I tried virt-manager and LXC but LXC's helper scripts are a bit broken in Wheezy\n<MartijnVdS> I don't trust LXC\n<BigRedS> and more than once something's been confused by that always-up virtbr1 device\n<MartijnVdS> it's not virtual enough\n<BigRedS> we use openvz a fair bit at work so I'm fairly comfortable with the concept, and LXC is the modern and hip equivalent\n<Myrtti> well then http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryanair-partners-with-google-flight-search\n<diplo> I've never tried openvz is it easy enough to use, I've tried kvm multiple times with virt-manager etc and just don't seem to get on with it that well\n<popey> BigRedS: desktop or server I meant, kvm should be good enough IMO\n<popey> had my eyes tested today. pondering what best value for specs is\n<popey> I'll only need them for close up work (soldering) currently, but will need them for reading in the future (3 years maybe)\n<popey> do people buy online or is it a case that you really need to go to bricks & mortar?\n<MartijnVdS> popey: people get their eyes measured \"IRL\", but I know a few who've ordered glasses online after that\n<MartijnVdS> all you need is the inter-eye distance, and the lens parameters\n<popey> i have some numbers on a card, I guess that's it?\n<diplo> I've not done online yet, but I'm debating it next time\n<diplo> Yeah your report card from the opticians is all you need\n<foobarry> who tested your eyes?\n<popey> sphere, cyl and axis\n<diplo> http://www.glasses.com/virtual-try-on.html\n<diplo> Saw this the other day\n<popey> +1.25, -0.5, 90 and +1.25, -0.25, 90\n<popey> that look like the right numbers?\n<popey> foobarry: optician\n<foobarry> no idea about this but do people usually go for 2nd opinion?\n<foobarry> or is it clear cut\n<MartijnVdS> popey: those look like mine, except I have -1.50ish\n<popey> i trust this guy\n<diplo> popey: yep, same as mine :)\n<MartijnVdS> popey: it's sphere/cylinder/axis, one for each eye\n<popey> been to him before\n<MartijnVdS> (cylinder + cylinder-axis, there's also a lesser-used prism + prism-axis)\n<MartijnVdS> http://www.vision-training.com/en/Vision%20test/Understand%20presecription.html\n<popey> he said he slightly over-prescribed so they'd last longer as they turn from \"doing electronics with the kids\" glasses into \"reading\" glasses\n<popey> ta\n<bigcalm> popey: I order my glasses from these people: http://www.spex4less.com/\n<awilkins> I just have a pair of +1 reading glasses I bought off the shelf in Sainsbury's\n<awilkins> Plastic lenses, no frames\n<awilkins> Useful up to about 2 feet away from my eyeballs\n<bigcalm> awilkins: you have a very long nose\n * popey hugs laney for bug 959505\n<lubotu3> bug 959505 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) \"gedit wants to save in \"recently used\" by default\" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/959505\n<foobarry> \\o/\n<foobarry> gets me a lot\n<Laney> not my favourite behaviour\n<MartijnVdS> didn't upstream claim it was a feature?\n<Laney> it didn't happen by accident\n<MartijnVdS> i.e. it was a feature\n<foobarry> however its not possible\n<MartijnVdS> foobarry: Gnome devs are not known for common sense\n<foobarry> so a half baked feature\n<awilkins> Recently used can contain folders...\n<awilkins> ... but yes, it's mostly a bit daft\n<bigcalm> Maybe the idea is that you then chose a directory from those recently used?\n<Dave2> Solution: use a real text editor\n * Dave2 hides.\n<bigcalm> Use a real IDE ;)\n<TwistedLucidity> Dave2: MS Word?\n<Dave2> Said real IDE being called \"vim\"\n<MartijnVdS> TwistedLucidity: Excel of course.\n<MartijnVdS> TwistedLucidity: that's also the One True Database System\n<awilkins> The main thing that annoys me about Unix text editors (including vim) is they append a final line ending to files even when there wasn't one\n<awilkins> It's a niche thing\n<Seeker`> C files are meant to have one\n<MartijnVdS> you can configure them to not do that ususally\n<awilkins> But there are certain files in certain VCS repositories (bzr, I'm looking at you) that don't cope with it\n<popey> Dave2: gvim does the same as gedit â»\n<Seeker`> you should only be writing C on unix :P\n<MartijnVdS> Seeker`: and Perl\n<TwistedLucidity> Seeker`: C? Pfft. Use butterflies.\n<Seeker`> none of this VCS nonsense :P Remember, its 1970!\n<awilkins> popey, I don't run into that with gvim usually because I either use :w ~/thefile.txt\n<MartijnVdS> Seeker`: rcs.\n<Dave2> popey: :w ~/foo.txt\n<awilkins> Or I'm editing an existing file\n<MartijnVdS> or I'm editing a non-existing (but named from the command line) file\n<awilkins> That too\n<awilkins> I very rarely click the menus in gvim except for things like colorscheme\n<awilkins> And Copy and Paste, ironically, when I want to paste to another app\n<awilkins> Although I think ctrl-shift-C etc work actually /me checks\n<awilkins> No. They don't. Maybe in vim in a terminal.\n<awilkins> Yes, that works\n<Dave2> +gP to paste, or something\n<MartijnVdS> awilkins: \"*p\n<Dave2> \"gP\n<MartijnVdS> register * = system clipboard\n<Dave2> oh, that's a bit easier than \"+gP\n<MartijnVdS> register + = \"copy/paste\" clipboard (* = middle click clipboard)\n<Dave2> I shall have to remember that\n<Dave2> ahh,\n<Dave2> that makes sense\n<Dave2> I usually don't bother and just use the menus but decided that I should really learn it\n<MartijnVdS> I'm thinking of just mapping it to Ctrl+Shift+[CV]\n<bigcalm> From a Rackspace support ticket \"There are a couple of reasons why your edge device is dropping this connection. One of those is that some devices don't support multiple SAs running at the same time.\" - What's an SA?\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: context?\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS: VPN\n<bigcalm> IPsec\n<MartijnVdS> security associations\n<bigcalm> Okay, I still don't understand :)\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Basic IPSec ;)\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPsec#Security_association\n<bigcalm> Humm, okay\n * bigcalm passes the buck :D\n<jpds> ipsec++\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: time to go to ipsec training! ;)\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I'd rather not :P That's what Rackspace are there to do\n<bigcalm> Anybody who has used Walsh Western before know what \"PLAN COMMITTED\" is meant to be?\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: wasn't SuperMatt going to work for them? :)\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: git add ~/.plan; git commit\n<RaxMatt> going to work for you?\n<RaxMatt> *who?\n<MartijnVdS> RaxMatt: Rackspace?\n<RaxMatt> yes\n<RaxMatt> I'm here now\n<RaxMatt> Should I just start highlighting Rackspace so I can support you all from here?\n<MartijnVdS> RaxMatt: see bigcalm's lines about vpns and rackspace :)\n<RaxMatt> I'm actually not allowed to do customer stuff yet :P\n<bigcalm> I'm acting as a little bit of a middle man at the moment I fear\n<MartijnVdS> http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-2-21jan14-en.htm\n<MartijnVdS> new GTLDs\n<shauno> they seem to have burried the list quite well\n<jussi> MooDoo: I am, but then again, you said ignre it... :P\n<bigcalm> Crontab: */1 * * * * - run once per minute?\n<popey> or * * * * *\n<directhex> */1 == *\n<bigcalm> Indeed, but I've come across the above from a client\n<bigcalm> Just checking that what they've done is weird\n<bigcalm> There are instances of */2 and */5, I guess things got whittled down to */1 for some\n<bigcalm> Date\tTime\tLocation\tActivity\n<bigcalm> 22/01/14\t 16:07\t WWI - LUTTERWORTH\t ORDER DISPATCHED FROM HUB.\n<bigcalm> Lutterworth is 1 hour 14 minutes away from me according to google maps\n<bigcalm> What are the chances of a delivery tonight?\n<popey> KiB Mem: 16314304 total, 14374528 used, 1939776 free, 1700 buffers\n<popey> KiB Swap: 8501244 total, 0 used, 8501244 free. 6869884 cached Mem\n<popey> \\o/\n<popey> still no swap used\n<bigcalm> How are you using 14GB?\n<popey> 1710 root 20 0 1380056 1.006g 160268 S 11.6 6.5 45:28.05 Xorg\n<popey> I'm not using 14G\n<popey> 6.8G is cache\n<bigcalm> 14374528 = 13.7GB\n<popey> you're not reading it right\n<popey> used doesn't mean \"consumed by applications\" in top\n<bigcalm> I never do :)\n<popey> heh\n<bigcalm> I've never understood the output of top and free\n<popey> used includes cached AIUI\n<bigcalm> I see\n<bigcalm> RaxMatt: have you heard of the name Curtis Nicholson?\n<bigcalm> He's one of our 'SErvice Delivery Managers'\n<bigcalm> Is there a crontab setting that might be disabling sending mail by default? I'm scratching my head with this client's server\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: only by disabling cron.. you could set MAILTO= to some invalid/nullrouted address\n<bigcalm> I have a file of crontab jobs in /etc/cron.d/. If I edit that file, when would the changes take effect?\n<MartijnVdS> the moment cron notices the file to be changed\n * bigcalm grumbles at this server\n<bigcalm> I wonder if there is a problem with this file of cronjobs\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: restart crond and check syslog\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it'll grumble there if there's a broken file\n<bigcalm> Ta :)\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: but only once.. so if you put a broken crontab somewhere, it will *ignore* it (permissions wrong = broken too)\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS: so I see!\n<bigcalm> Jan 22 18:22:01 localhost cron[9591]: (*system*td-mail-crons) WRONG FILE OWNER (/etc/cron.d/td-mail-crons)\n<bigcalm> This is annoying :)\n<MartijnVdS> those files should be root:root\n<bigcalm> Jan 22 18:24:01 localhost cron[9591]: (*system*td-mail-crons) INSECURE MODE (group/other writable) (/etc/cron.d/td-mail-crons)\n<bigcalm> Yeah\n<bigcalm> Meh\n<MartijnVdS> but yeah it only warns once per restart I think.. and maybe once every time you change the file or change permissions on the file\n<bigcalm> We're using jenkins for automatic deployment of a project. One of the bits is a crontab job file\n<MartijnVdS> that must be able to set permissions\n<bigcalm> I understand that the file needs to be secure\n<bigcalm> But getting this crontab file deployed automatically is proving a tad annoying\n<Rix0n> Hi, I've not dabbled in linux/ubuntu for a while, and I'm running 12.04... I've forgotten the name of the package I need to be able to mount NTFS filesystems. I've enabled the universe and multiverse sources but still can't find what I'm looking for.\n<bigcalm> Weeee\n<bigcalm> Jan 22 18:28:01 localhost cron[9591]: Error: bad minute; while reading /etc/cron.d/td-mail-crons\n<Rix0n> oh wait i take that back, I just installed restricted-extras and I can now browse them\n<bigcalm> Jan 22 18:28:01 localhost cron[9591]: (*system*td-mail-crons) ERROR (Syntax error, this crontab file will be ignored)\n * bigcalm sighs\n<bigcalm> Ah, I think that error is down to a comment line of ###########################\n<bigcalm> I think cron expects all comments to start with '# ' (space)\n<bigcalm> Every line in the crontab file is commented out and yet it still complains about 'bad minute'\n<bigcalm> I think I might give up for the evening\n<bigcalm> Shower before LUG I think\n<DJones> Heh, unusual (and puts things into perspective in the real world) response to a software support request https://twitter.com/andrey_butov/status/426018565561401344/photo/1\n<RaxMatt> bigcalm: nope\n<MartijnVdS> aw poo. I lost my Debian keyring PGP key about a decade ago in a disk crash :(\n<MartijnVdS> (not that I don't already have all of Valve's games..)\n<Laney> future ones!\n<daftykins> huh?\n#ubuntu-uk 2014-01-23\n<MooDoo> hello all\n<Myrtti> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lindaliukas/hello-ruby\n<Guest13800> heylo\n<MooDoo> that looks great Myrtti\n<JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Handwriting Day! :-D\n<MooDoo> morning JamesTait :)\n<MartijnVdS> \\o\n<diplo> Morning all\n<MooDoo> morning\n<brobostigon> week two of workfare/mwa here i come,\n<bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)\n<MooDoo> morning bigcalm\n<bigcalm> !14.04\n<lubotu3> Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) will be the 20th release of Ubuntu. See the announcement at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295 for more info. support in #ubuntu+1\n<darrenflaherty> hey jpds\n<MooDoo> bigcalm: I'm running LTS on my laptop, looking forward to upgrading to Trusty :)\n<bigcalm> MooDoo: is there an ISO I can get?\n<MooDoo> bigcalm: for trusty?\n<bigcalm> Or do I have to install 13.10 and then try and move to 14.04?\n<bigcalm> MooDoo: yes\n<MooDoo> well there is this page - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/\n<MooDoo> bigcalm: what version are you on at the moment?\n<bigcalm> MooDoo: not yet installed. This is for my new laptop that just arrived :)\n<MooDoo> bigcalm: go for Saucy then, it's the current version\n<MooDoo> 13.10, then you can upgrade when it's released, unless your a die hard and like to play :D\n<bigcalm> Ah, dailey-live. I was searching the cdimage site but didn't really know where to look\n<MooDoo> I just llike to use LTS releases as I'm not bothered about cutting edge tech for what I use\n<bigcalm> MooDoo: I realise that, I wanted to see how well +1 worked out of the box :)\n<MooDoo> ah there you go then :)\n * bigcalm curses his desktop's wifi - limiting the download to 4ish MB/s\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: you should talk to knightwise ;)\n * foobarry has been virused.\n<MooDoo> foobarry: oooops\n<MartijnVdS> foobarry: what kind?\n<darrenflaherty> drussell, hi\n<Myrtti> -22C and I need to go get some food and mail a letter X-|\n<foobarry> MartijnVdS: headache/high temp/pains/cough\n * foobarry crawls back to bed\n<MooDoo> ah not computer virus lol\n<bigcalm> foobarry: I seriously thought you meant a computer virus. Doh. Get well soon\n<MooDoo> bigcalm: you're not the only one :d\n<darrenflaherty> jnick_tait: hi\n<bigcalm> Right, how does one transfer the 14.04 ISO onto a USB stick in Linux? The Startup Disk Creator keeps on failing me\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: dd\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: dd if=isofile of=/dev/sdX\n<bigcalm> That all?\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it's a hybrid image, which works (and boots) in CD-ROM mode (BIOS and UEFI) and USB stick mode (also BIOS and UEFI)\n<bigcalm> Fair enough :)\n<bigcalm> sdc\n<bigcalm> dd if=Downloads/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdc\n<bigcalm> Nice and simple\n<directhex> clearly the tech was stolen from Ye Olde SteamOSe\n<bigcalm> Heh\n<MartijnVdS> directhex: obviously, where else?\n<directhex> (note: THIS IS A JOKE, THE REVERSE IS TRUE)\n<bigcalm> Before turning the new laptop on, I have already replaced the windows8 HDD with a blank SSD\n<bigcalm> Now to see if the image boots\n<bigcalm> dd says that it's finished its work yet the USB stick is still flashing :S\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: cache!\n<MartijnVdS> maybe waiting for 'sync' helps?\n<bigcalm> Yeah, fun\n<bigcalm> I'm surprised with dd though. Would have thought that it would have done write immediately\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: add \"fsync\" to the command line :)\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I'll try to remember that for next time ;)\n<bigcalm> Installing \\o/\n<bigcalm> The install screen says \"Welcome to Ubuntu 13.10\"\n<MooDoo> yay\n<bigcalm> I'm guessing that there are more important things to do before the install screen text\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I'd file a bug just in case\n<bigcalm> Heh\n<bigcalm> The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot.\n<MartijnVdS> uhhh\n<MartijnVdS> how did you partition the drive?\n<MartijnVdS> just \"Automatic use all\" or manually?\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS: left eveything to to the automatic stuff\n<bigcalm> The \"Install crashed\" window will now not close\n<bigcalm> Issued a sudo shutdown -P now from tty2\n<bigcalm> Now, do I try with 13.10 or try and tinker with the efi system?\n<bigcalm> popey: ping :)\n<bigcalm> http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1873959/solved-ubuntu-linux-installing-computer.html\n<bigcalm> The guy gives up and installs Fedora\n<bigcalm> Appointment with my bank manager in a bit. Best have a shave :S\n<diplo> Anybody here use VMWare ESX with failover? ( redundancy )\n<bigcalm> Good news about OZC\n<MartijnVdS> Oh?\n<bigcalm> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/toshiba-purchase-of-ocz-finalized-first-new-products-released/\n<davmor2> Morning all\n * foobarry resurfaces\n<bashrc> periscope up\n<MooDoo> morning davmor2\n<davmor2> Hey MooDoo 'ow am ya chap\n<davmor2> bigcalm: is your spycamera here yet?\n<MooDoo> davmor2: fedup.com :D\n<davmor2> MooDoo: have a sadtrombone.com you won't feel so glum\n<MooDoo> new job please lol\n<davmor2> MooDoo: take a look see at http://www.canonical.com/careers\n<RaxMatt> hey guys\n<MartijnVdS> MattMan\n<RaxMatt> ¬.¬\n<MooDoo> davmor2: yeah just had a look, liked the look of the support engineer one, but can't speak manderin ;)\n<MartijnVdS> MooDoo: no better way to learn than immersion\n<davmor2> MooDoo: wuss ;)\n<MooDoo> MartijnVdS: I think mandering is a bit over my head :)\n<MooDoo> davmor2: geez thanks for the support :p\n<knightwise> afternoon everyone\n<MooDoo> hello knightwise\n<foobarry> anyone get a letter from the tax man today?\n<foobarry> about new tax code\n<knightwise> hey MooDoo :)\n<knightwise> how are you guys today\n * knightwise is playing with his Xfce box , tweakin it a bit\n<knightwise> Does anybody know the name of the backup application that is the standard one in ubuntu ?\n<foobarry> dejadup?\n<knightwise> i Like the fact you can backup your stuff anywhere\n<knightwise> ah :) Dejadup ! :)\n<MooDoo> trying to introduce code club to my local school :D\n<bigcalm> davmor2: yes. Tried to install 14.04. Looks like it got to the end except for this error: <bigcalm> The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot.\n<bigcalm> The screen is very nice\n<davmor2> xnox: ^\n<xnox> bigcalm: do you have full install log? \"ubuntu-bug ubiquity\" if using desktop cd, or collect syslog if using d-i.\n<xnox> bigcalm: it shouldn't be a problem if grub-efi-amd64-signed fails to install, that only has detached secureboot signatures.\n<bigcalm> xnox: Once I OK'd that error, the whoops something crashed window appeared and would not clear\n<bigcalm> I haven't tried booting since installing\n<bigcalm> Will give it a go :)\n<bigcalm> Ah, no boot device found :)\n<xnox> bigcalm: i'd be interested in that crash dialog to be submitted before reboot... or ubuntu-bug ubiquity also before reboot.... =)\n<xnox> bigcalm: otherwise, can you fetch /var/log/installer/* from that system, if there is anything?\n<xnox> bigcalm: e.g. by booting back into live cd and mounting the target.\n<bigcalm> xnox: do you want me to start the install from fresh and then try to provide you with information. Or do you want me to boot to the 'try before you buy' desktop and try to provide you with information?\n<davmor2> bigcalm: I'd say xnox is awesome but he does have to get his head out of the doorways, so I won't :)\n<xnox> bigcalm: from the \"try before you buy\" provide me with info =)\n<bigcalm> xnox: okay, walk me though it :)\n<xnox> bigcalm: boot into live cd, click Try Ubuntu, \"ctrl-alt-t\" on the keyboard to start terminal, \"sudo nautilus\"\n<MartijnVdS> or Ctrl+Alt+F1, and just go from the terminal :)\n<xnox> bigcalm: under devices on the left you should see your current hard-drives, click on them to mount\n<xnox> bigcalm: than, find the most recent install and open up \"var/log/installer\" i want all of those files copied & pasted into e.g. http://paste.ubuntu.com\n<xnox> (e.g. open firefox on the left) assuming you have internet connection.\n<bigcalm> Sorry, a silly client phoned\n * bigcalm presses keys\n<bigcalm> var/log/installer does not exist\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: on the (not-quite-)installed system\n<xnox> bigcalm: =(((( reinstall\n<xnox> bigcalm: and if the install crashes, don't reboot, press \"ctrl-alt-t\" and do \"ubuntu-bug ubiquity\"\n<xnox> or if poop-ups appear click through to file a bug.\n<bigcalm> Will do\n<knightwise> :) Deja-du :) Its like Crashplan for linux :)\n<bigcalm> Tried to do that last bit, it didn't work\n<directhex> crashplan is like crashplan for linux!\n<knightwise> directhex: I think i should give the headless version of crashplan a try on linux ,\n<knightwise> because the \"regular\" one isn't any good :(\n<knightwise> keeps storing updates in the wrong location\n<bigcalm> Waiting for LP to process the report and let me finish it\n<bigcalm> Does this usually take a while?\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: about a minute, I guess\n<bigcalm> Still waiting\n<bigcalm> Oh, it did finish :)\n<bigcalm> Just that the screen looks the same as it did before - laptop is on the floor while I got on with work\n<MartijnVdS> â« let the laptops hit the floor\n<MartijnVdS> ?\n<twager> Anyone tell me if the Nokia Lumia mounts as a block device in Linux ?\n<davmor2> twager: I'm assuming mtp same as android\n<knightwise> Mass storage device\n<knightwise> at least the 620 does\n<bigcalm> xnox: bug 1271934\n<lubotu3> bug 1271934 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) \"14.04 failed to complete install with the error \"The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/.\"\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271934\n<xnox> bigcalm: scary!\n<bigcalm> xnox: it is?\n<MartijnVdS> Jan 23 13:19:07 ubuntu ubiquity: E: Failed to fetch cdrom://Ubuntu 14.04 LTS _Trusty Tahr_ - Alpha amd64 (20140123)/pool/main/g/grub2/grub-efi-amd64-bin_2.00-22_amd64.deb Hash Sum mismatch\n<MartijnVdS> so either your 'dd' went wrong, or your copy of the .iso got corrupted somehow, or the copy on the server is corrupt.\n<bigcalm> Okay, I'll start by re-running dd and do another install\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I'd restart with checking the ISO :)\n<xnox> bigcalm: your media is most-likely borked.\n<bigcalm> Yay\n<twager> davmor2: Don't think so as my xperia mounts ok but my old sanfran does not..\n<MartijnVdS> xnox: it could be that the iso he downloaded is borked\n<xnox> bigcalm: yeah or that.\n<xnox> bigcalm: i have the same iso stamp and grub-efi-amd64-signed .deb md5sum matches on disk and in Packages.gz file.\n<xnox> bigcalm: verify iso md5sum after download, and recreate your install media.\n<bigcalm> d2ef4f5333aec03ea1ca11abd2f1c0fc *trusty-desktop-amd64.iso\n<bigcalm> d2ef4f5333aec03ea1ca11abd2f1c0fc trusty-desktop-amd64.iso\n<bigcalm> md5sum is correct\n<smittix> afternoon all\n<knightwise> hey smittix\n<knightwise> :)\n<bigcalm> What was the option to write at once rather than have it cache?\n<bigcalm> dd\n<xnox> bigcalm: hm, can you do $ mount trusty-desktop-amd64.iso /mnt/\n<xnox> wait, nah,\n<xnox> bigcalm: boot into \"try ubuntu\" and do $ md5sum /cdrom/pool/main/g/grub2-signed/grub-efi-amd64-signed_1.27+2.00-22_amd64.deb\n<xnox> bigcalm: and compare it with mounting iso locally, I get: d4bd5b4f9dcd9876cf50e04396c2f930\n<bigcalm> xnox: I get that md5sum as well\n<davmor2> bigcalm: what are you burning it from?\n<xnox> bigcalm: click on network manager on the top right and disable interentz\n<bigcalm> Ug, I've just shutdown the machine again\n<xnox> bigcalm: wait a second.\n * bigcalm waits :)\n<xnox> bigcalm: it's not -signed which is borked in your log but grub-efi-amd64-bin\n<bigcalm> davmor2: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso\n<davmor2> bigcalm: no I use k3b how did you burn the image?\n<xnox> f35d0af7f65c6ee2e58fa2cbe1577360 ./pool/main/g/grub2/grub-efi-amd64-bin_2.00-22_amd64.deb\n<bigcalm> davmor2: oh, dd\n<xnox> bigcalm: can you check md5sum of above (prefix with cdrom) from within \"Try Ubuntu session\" ?\n<bigcalm> xnox: sure, one moment\n<bigcalm> Yay, different number!\n<davmor2> bigcalm: that might be the issue then. You want to use growisofs iirc if you are burning from the cli. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CdDvd/Burning bottom of the page unless you are using a usb stick\n<xnox> bigcalm: i rest my case, sir =) re-create media ;-)\n<xnox> bigcalm: there should a boot option - press esc at the beginning to execute / validate installation media.\n<xnox> bigcalm: it takes a while, but helps to catch errors like these.\n<bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6803047/\n<bigcalm> Okay\n<bigcalm> xnox: thanks for the help :)\n<bigcalm> Check finished: errors found in 17 files!\n<MartijnVdS> time to buy a new USB stick\n<BigRedS> Apparently there's a site/toy that'll let you 'open' another webpage in it and play around with the HTML as a way of learning HTML; anyone know what it is?\n<MartijnVdS> Ctrl+Shift+J in Chrome ;)\n<MartijnVdS> you can edit the HTML and see the effects immediately from there\n<BigRedS> ooh, nifty\n<MartijnVdS> also CSS and JS, of course\n<foobarry> if this is real then cool http://messagetoeagle.com/easterislandbodies.php#.UuEjunhFDQo\n<MartijnVdS> message toe agle?\n<foobarry> why did nobody dig before?\n<MooDoo> foobarry: http://www.livescience.com/20580-easter-island-heads-bodies.html\n<MartijnVdS> foobarry: the images look shopped\n<Myrtti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ahu_Tongariki.jpg\n<Myrtti> well, the news of the petroglyphs hasn't yet made surface elsewhere it seems\n<Myrtti> petroglyphs themselves though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Island#Petroglyphs\n<bigcalm> Does the 5th one have a cake on its head?\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: that must mean he's the boss\n<bigcalm> :D\n<Myrtti> bigcalm: no, a 'pukao'\n<Myrtti> damn you and the person who set me on a Wikipedia binge\n<MartijnVdS> Myrtti: at least it's not tvtropes\n<bigcalm> HEhe, aww\n<MartijnVdS> Myrtti: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LandmarkOfLore\n<Myrtti> ahha! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moai#Markings_.28post_stone_working.29\n<Myrtti> höh\n<foobarry> we nicked one for the brit museum?\n<Myrtti> MartijnVdS: neither that article or \"weaponised landmark\" mentions the jumping Moai from Super Mario on Gameboy\n<bigcalm> Re-created the install media. Now running the check before installing :)\n<foobarry> time for a kip\n<bigcalm> No errors \\o/\n<MartijnVdS> Myrtti: Super Mario Land's World 3 has Moai not only in the background, but also as enemies. (They're called by other names in the manual, but come on.) Even the boss is a stone-throwing Moai. Not to mention the fact that World 3 is called Easton.\n<MartijnVdS> Myrtti: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EenieMeenieMinyMoai\n<Myrtti> right\n<Laney> wow, just started bucketing down\n<MooDoo> yeah here too :D\n<Laney> funny that\n<diplo> Blue skies here, for once no rain!\n<RaxMatt> my servers are on rackspace now \\o/\n<RaxMatt> and by jimminy they're fast\n<bigcalm> I have a working laptop. Yay :)\n<bigcalm> xnox & davmor2: thank you both :)\n<davmor2> bigcalm: you're welcome dude enjoy all the goodness\n * bigcalm waits for things to break :P\n<bigcalm> I see that there is a lack of a battery monitor icon :(\n<davmor2> bigcalm: on the installed system ther eshould be\n<bigcalm> davmor2: I don't see it\n * bigcalm shuts down to get on with his darn work\n<SuperMatt> yo yo yo\n<davmor2> bigcalm: go into settings power and see what the status is for the show battery status in the menu bar I have it when battery is present\n<SuperMatt> In west philidelphia bored and raised, on the playground is where I spend most of my days\n<davmor2> SuperMatt: fired already that was quick ;)\n<bigcalm> davmor2: as do I\n<davmor2> SuperMatt: at least your old nick^wjob hadn't gone hey\n<RaxMatt> I'm still here\n<SuperMatt> I'm just porting my server across\n<MooDoo> SuperMatt: RaxMatt free hosting now on their cloud?\n<davmor2> bigcalm: I'm just updating I'll see if mine disappears\n<bigcalm> Wow, I had a newer version of ubuntu than davmor2 for a change\n<SuperMatt> MooDoo: yup\n<davmor2> bigcalm: busy working on the older version for the apps :)\n<MooDoo> SuperMatt: nice\n<davmor2> bigcalm: oh no I'm up-to-date so just you then dude :P\n<bigcalm> davmor2: ho hum\n<bigcalm> Also, who thought it would be a good idea to make the track pad buttons also part of the track pad?\n<davmor2> forgot the archive is frozen for alpha2\n<davmor2> bigcalm: that is the issue on mine that I told you about really annoying right. You can get used to it though\n<bigcalm> davmor2: means that I can no longer use 2 hands to move windows around\n<bigcalm> Guess I'll continue to use an external mouse\n<davmor2> bigcalm: yes you can\n<davmor2> bigcalm: left click and move works fine here\n<davmor2> bigcalm: or you can just click down and keep your finger pressed down and move it\n<MartijnVdS> bit it annoys!\n<davmor2> MartijnVdS: indeed it's when you get everything lined up nicely and then go to click on the button and it moves the cursor nothing worse\n<bigcalm> The touch screen is odd in Ubuntu\n<MartijnVdS> that too\n<MartijnVdS> can't get scrolling to work with it\n<MartijnVdS> it's \"just\" a mouse pointer\n<bigcalm> Yep\n<popey> bigcalm: pong\n<popey> I think I may have a memory leak\n<popey> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND\n<popey> 1710 root 20 0 2671944 2.212g 210352 S 12.6 14.2 108:28.86 Xorg\n<bigcalm> popey: too late, xnox and davmor2 helped me get my laptop install fixed\n<MartijnVdS> popey: only 2GB? You have 16! ;)\n<popey> your spycam arrived?\n<foobarry> resources exapnd to what's avaiable...\n<popey> its also constant 10%\n<popey> which it never was on saucy\n<davmor2> popey: what have was told you about the ear buds, when you feel resistance stop pushing\n<popey> davmor2: you on trusty on intel?\n<popey> (or anyone)\n<davmor2> popey: I am\n<davmor2> popey: it is optimus gfx\n<popey> top.. press m, is xorg near top?\n<popey> no, intel\n<davmor2> but the nvidia bit is broken\n<davmor2> popey: second\n<popey> my latest ebay item arrived broken â¹\n<popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141142336606?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649\n<foobarry> compiz top on my 1204 box grr\n<popey> http://imgur.com/KiZEPZ6,nspyQCB\n<bigcalm> popey: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/426375609325858816/photo/1\n<bigcalm> Well this isn't good\n<bigcalm> I can't shutdown my laptop\n<popey> omg!\n<bigcalm> It constantly reboots\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it's spying on you\n<popey> laptop with numeric keypad â¨\n<bigcalm> popey: the keyboard is rather odd\n<bigcalm> Not used the laptop in anger yet\n<bigcalm> I've tried sudo shutdown -P now\n<bigcalm> Even that rebooted\n<bigcalm> To take the battery out, I will have to unscrew the back of the machine\n<bigcalm> Time to press and hold the power button\n<davmor2> popey: htop makes it clearer still :)\n<davmor2> popey: I a laptop with an numeric pad too, it's great for typing in credit card numbers :D\n * davmor2 hugs htop it's so much easier to follow than top :)\n<popey> oh jeez\n<popey> every single damn time I say top\n<popey> someone somewhere on the internet tells me to use htop\n<Dave2> popey: have you tried htop?\n<popey> \"no\".\n<MartijnVdS> Dave2: is the \"h\" silent (like in American \"herb\")\n<popey> i even ran top just now, took a screenshot to put online and then thought \"nah, someone will say use htop\"\n<popey> goits\n<davmor2> popey: top is great for a quick assessment but I find it easier to follow things on htop. Which is all I said not that you should use it :P\n<foobarry> do u have to be dumb to get on daytime quiz shows?\n<MartijnVdS> foobarry: \"u\"? are you trying to get on a daytime quiz show? ;)\n<popey> i just don't see it\n<popey> http://imgur.com/qJ36U9Z\n<popey> \"Is xorg using lots of RAM?\" -> \"Yes\"\n<MartijnVdS> popey: do you have 3d-heavy programs running?\n<popey> nope\n<foobarry> htop can show threaded processes or not\n<MartijnVdS> foobarry: so can top\n<foobarry> htop shows colours\n<popey> it's like me saying \"can you google for foo\"\n<popey> \"No, I'd rather use BING\"\n<popey> I DO NOT CARE\n<popey> the question was \"is xorg using ram\" not \"what's your favorite cpu monitor\"\n<popey> meh\n<popey> â»\n<foobarry> popey got trolled\n<popey> 5GB disk cache tho â»\n<MartijnVdS> popey: and an SSD?\n<popey> two\n<popey> / or one, /home on the other\n<popey> http://www.itwire.com/it-industry-news/deals/62910-ibm-sells-server-division-to-lenovo\n<MartijnVdS> popey: still, all SSD\n<popey> ya\n<popey> no rust\n<foobarry> http://www.itnews.com.au/News/370344,hacker-gets-facebooks-keys-to-the-kingdom.aspx\n<JGJones> I might be a bit late to the party, but I was wondering my dear friend popey if you had heard of this excellent CPU monitor. It comes with colour too. As an additional bonus, it also have an extra letter over top. This letter is h. Most probably stand for Hyper and we all know Hyper make anything better. So popey, allow me to introduce you to htop!\n<popey> \"lol\"\n<JGJones> No love for atop though? :P\n<diplo> Or iotop\n<foobarry> i've got 50 mins of enfroced bed rest, what programme/youtube/etc can i watch?\n<bigcalm> foobarry: hat films\n<bigcalm> foobarry: they are nutty :)\n<foobarry> iplayer is still flash based? ugh\n<bigcalm> get_iplayer FTW!\n<bigcalm> And the web interface even more so :D\n<foobarry> chrome frw\n<popey> foobarry: here's one for you.. only 11 mins though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlZ8iPaufTg\n<popey> :D\n<Myrtti> bigcalm: get-iplayer is nice, because you can set it to use a proxy by default ;-)\n<popey> Myrtti: feel free to send me your tv license fee and I'll passs it on, promise.\n<Myrtti> popey: I'll have to ask the SO for that\n<foobarry> popey: seemed rather incorrect view in the first 10 seconds\n<popey> yeah, he dives right in\n<popey> was only joshing\n<foobarry> showed blatant ignorance\n<foobarry> he lost me already\n<popey> heh\n<shauno> oh tihs goes on the \"if you do this\" list. uses a setting \"maxLenght\". if you subconsciously use the correct spelling, no workey.\n<bigcalm> Anybody know why my laptop reboots instead of powering off?\n<davmor2> bigcalm: it hates you?\n<bigcalm> davmor2: that's a given\n<drussell> lol\n<davmor2> bigcalm: I can't think of an obvious reason why it wouldn't shut down\n<drussell> davmor2: what's the laptop? and recent change or always been like that?\n<drussell> davmor2: and same behaviour from VT as from gui?\n<bigcalm> It shuts down, and then powers back up again. I wonder if it's something in the BIOS (or whatever it's called these days)\n<davmor2> drussell: not my laptop bigcalms\n<bigcalm> drussell: http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-15-7537/pd?oc=cn75305&model_id=inspiron-15-7537\n<drussell> davmor2: sorry, apologies, not paying enough attention!\n<bigcalm> drussell: running 14.04\n<drussell> bigcalm: always done it, or new behaviour?\n<bigcalm> drussell: the machine was delivered this morning :)\n<drussell> bigcalm: hehehe awesome, congrats :o)\n<drussell> bigcalm: sometimes they need different acpi quirks loaded to get around that kind of issue\n<bigcalm> drussell: I thought it might be an apci issue, just don't know what the best settings will be :)\n<drussell> bigcalm: if you switch to a VT after having logged out, what does \"sudo shutdown -h -q now\" do?\n<bigcalm> I haven't tried with -q\n<bigcalm> But -P now reboots\n<drussell> bigcalm: interesting\n<bigcalm> Is -h -q the same as -P now?\n<drussell> bigcalm: the -q shouldn't make any difference, just quiet\n<bigcalm> Ah, -h is halt\n<drussell> bigcalm: yup\n<bigcalm> I'll try just doing a halt\n<drussell> bigcalm: H P and h are all the same\n<drussell> bigcalm: are you using the nvidia binary drivers also?\n<bigcalm> drussell: not yet\n<bigcalm> lspci: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6803821/\n<bigcalm> I get the feeling that I'll run into the optimus problems\n<bigcalm> I've issued a halt. I can't tell if it's finished shutting down or has frozen :S\n<drussell> bigcalm: it's likely.... if you're not planning to use the nvidia hardware, can you disable it from the uefi settings?\n<drussell> bigcalm: lol @ shutdown or frozen\n<bigcalm> The ubuntu and 5 dots are on screen with the 1st one orange\n<bigcalm> I held down power\n<bigcalm> I want to use nvidia!\n<drussell> bigcalm: in that case, I'd suggest installing the binary drivers, see if that changes the behaviour for better or worse\n<bigcalm> Are you still talking about the shut down issue?\n<bigcalm> I'll get around to graphics some other time :)\n<Myrtti> oops http://usvsth3m.com/post/74285062011/you-wont-believe-why-the-victoria-line-is-currently\n<davmor2> bigcalm: stay on intel for now the nvidia guys still haven't fixed the 3.13 kernel issue yet\n<bigcalm> davmor2: that's what I thought\n<davmor2> bigcalm: it's in the works apparently\n<davmor2> drussell: optimus is broken on 3.13 the intel part is fine but the minute you enable the nvidia bit it falls back to safe gfx mode\n<drussell> davmor2: ahhhhhh I thought that'd been fixed :o(\n * Laney gives in and mails directhex for a key\n<mapps> applied for another job\n<mapps> :D\n<mapps> annoying it just says salary 'competitive'\n<bigcalm> mapps: what kind of job?\n<mapps> system engineer architecht fanc title really.way more fancy than needs be\n<mapps> working for William Hill in London\n<mapps> annoying when they just say competitive and stuff\n<mapps> they had a few other roles but im not doing tchnical lead/service support roles 20-25k and living in London?\n<Laney> \"crap but we know someone will take it anyway\"\n<mapps> yea definitely\n<mapps> and sure if you live 10 to a house you'd manage\n<mapps> but i couldn't manage on 25k in London paying 1200+ rent\n<TheOpenSourcerer> directhex: Nice one :-) You got an indirect mention in ars: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/01/steamos-beta-adds-legacy-bios-official-dual-boot-support/\n<directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, old news! the new news is https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/01/msg00006.html\n<ali1234> i'm impressed how quickly valve picked that stuff up. they've also been very responsive to the trivial bugs i reported on steam for linux\n<ali1234> which were just silly stuff like \"your XDG shortcuts are wrong\"\n<ali1234> really trivial stuff that doesn't even affect the officially supported platforms. but they fixed it anyway\n<directhex> their engineers are really sharp\n<directhex> it'd piss them the hell off to be wrong\n<MartijnVdS> like true debian devs ;)\n<TheOpenSourcerer> directhex: Yeah - I'd heard that a day or two ago.\n<MartijnVdS> Good news: http://www.zdnet.com/uks-security-branch-says-ubuntu-most-secure-end-user-os-7000025312/\n<MartijnVdS> UK's security branch says Ubuntu most secure end-user OS\n<ali1234> NO\n<ali1234> no they don't\n<ali1234> this was well and truly debunked last week\n<MartijnVdS> tell that to zdnet\n<ali1234> zdnet sucks\n * bigcalm waves from the new laptop :)\n<MartijnVdS> \\o\n<MartijnVdS> it working OK then?\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS, current problem is that I can't power off the machine without holding down the power button. But working okay otherwise :)\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: just suspend instead ;)\n<bigcalm> ;)\n<Myrtti> well, the Hello Ruby-book which had less than ten backers when I first saw it, now has 1213 backers, with less than a day behind it, and has got 537% of the requested funding\n<bigcalm> I really really like the display\n<popey> bigcalm: what happens when you shutdown?\n<bigcalm> popey: the system powers itself back on\n<popey> bigcalm: be interested to know if the upstream kernel does it\n<popey> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.13-trusty/\n<popey> that one\n<bigcalm> popey: so just install the deb and reboot?\n<popey> debs\n<popey> the two amd64 and the all one\n<bigcalm> Oh yes, headers as well\n<bigcalm> Okay\n<bigcalm> Any particular order?\n<popey> all 3 at once\n<popey> download them and dpkg -i 1.deb 2.deb 3.deb\n<bigcalm> ah, I see\n<popey> and maybe then also grab the 3.12 too\n<popey> be interested to know if this is a regression\n * bigcalm reboot\n<bigcalm> s\n<bigcalm> <bigcalm> Linux iain-laptop 3.13.0-031300-generic #201401192235 SMP Mon Jan 20 03:36:48 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux\n<bigcalm> <bigcalm> Shutdown worked correctly and did not power back on until I told it to do so\n<bigcalm> <bigcalm> Do you want me to check 3.12 as well?\n<bigcalm> Wrote all of that in the wrong channel :D\n<bigcalm> davmor2: battery notification icon appears once I've suspended the laptop by closing the lid\n<bigcalm> popey: ?\n<popey> no\n<bigcalm> Okay\n<popey> so 3.13.0-031300-generic works and stock 3.13 does not?\n<popey> bug time!\n<bigcalm> Heh\n<popey> thats good news\n<popey> you can keep using that kernel for now\n<bigcalm> Shall I stick with this kernal?\n<bigcalm> kernel\n<bigcalm> Sure\n<popey> reboot into the broken one and do \"ubuntu-bug linux\" to file a bug\n<bigcalm> Okay\n<popey> and give us the url or ping jsalisbury with it directly\n<bigcalm> How do I get grub to show when booting? It's booting straight into Ubuntu without asking\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: hold shift I think\n<bigcalm> Okay, I'll try that\n<popey> yes, hold shift as soon as it powers on\n<popey> and choose the second option\n<popey> and then you'll get the list\n<bigcalm> Tally ho!\n<bigcalm> That didn't work :(\n<bigcalm> Keeps booting directly without showing grub\n<bigcalm> Can I edit grub to show the list every time?\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: in /etc/default/grub comment the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT line and update-grub\n<bigcalm> Ta\n<MartijnVdS> maybve set GRUB_TIMEOUT to non-zero\n<bigcalm> Reboot :)\n<popey> uhm\n<popey> hold shift earlier\n<popey> like, all the time\n<bigcalm> I did\n<popey> after you press power button\n<directhex> BEEP\n<directhex> KEY HELD ERROR, PRESS F1 TO CONTINUE\n<popey> nope\n<popey> shouldn't, thats why it's shift surely?\n<bigcalm> brb\n<directhex> i once had a motherboard that would throw a \"no keyboard, press f1\" error if windows ever crashed. shut down cleanly, fine. reboot forcefully, keyboard not found\n<directhex> this applied only to USB keyboards\n<directhex> so i had a cheap old PS/2 keyboard hanging out the back of the PC, just to hit F1 to continue on occasion\n<ali1234> i had a motherboard once where the PS/2 mouse port died\n<ali1234> you cannot disable PS/2 mouse in windows NT, it's built in to the kernel\n<ali1234> so that computer could not ever run windows again\n<MartijnVdS> why not? couldn't it cope with 2 mice at once?\n<ali1234> because it would freeze as soon as anything tried to open the mouse\n<ali1234> even if no mouse was plugged in\n<MartijnVdS> ah.. not just electrically dead\n<MartijnVdS> actively dead ;)\n<bigcalm> Good/bad news\n<bigcalm> I've rebooted with the default kernel 3.13.0-5-generic\n<bigcalm> I can now shut down correctly\n<MartijnVdS> \\o/\n<bigcalm> Which means that I don't have a bug to report :S\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: you do.. it's still in the Ubuntu kernel\n<MartijnVdS> so they need to get whatever patch is in upstream (or revert whatever they did to break it)\n<bigcalm> I can't reproduce the issue though\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: but you can with the Ubuntu kernel right?\n<MartijnVdS> so it's something that's different between stock and ubuntu kernels\n<bigcalm> Linux iain-laptop 3.13.0-5-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 20 19:56:38 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux\n<MartijnVdS> ah wait\n<bigcalm> As far as I can tell, this is the ubuntu kernel\n<MartijnVdS> the *default* kernel.. not the *stock* one, I need to read better :)\n<bigcalm> The issue has gone away since installing the 2nd kernel and then booting with the original one\n<bigcalm> Most confusing\n<MartijnVdS> what if you power down completely and boot the original one\n<MartijnVdS> (so not stock but ubuntu, the previously broken one)\n<bigcalm> I'll give it a go\n<popey> yeah, start from scratch\n<bigcalm> The system is still shutting down correctly with the kernel that comes with Ubuntu 14.04\n<bigcalm> Now to try to remove the upstream kernel and see if it still happens\n<bigcalm> How do I do that? :)\n<bigcalm> I do have a bug to report though :)\n<bigcalm> Bluetooth won't stay disabled\n<bigcalm> !ping\n<lubotu3> pong!\n<oly> hi, any suggestions for me ubuntu 14.10 is locking at boot think its todo with sound\n<oly> 14.04 even, is there a parameter to disable at boot\n<oly> or a module i can block,\n<oly> previous versions of the kernel work, i think something changed probably because there never used to be any driver :p\n<ali1234> you can blacklist alsa modules\n<oly> cool i will give that a try, i was not sure if alsa was a module or if it was a sound driver i needed to blacklist\n<diddledan__> so I managed to sleep through the entire day\n<bigcalm> Much rebooting later. Bluetooth continues to ignore being turned off. This is with both kernels\n<bigcalm> Wee, my keybord lights up :D\n<popey> bigcalm: dpkg -l *3.13.0-031300-generic*\n<popey> bigcalm: when you say bluetooth ignores being turned off.. you mean you turn it off and it stays on?\n<popey> or do you mean you turn it off, reboot, and its back on?\n<ali1234> oly could be either. alsa is a module and each driver is also a separate module.\n<ali1234> probably go for the driver if you know which one it is\n<oly> yeah still happened,\n<oly> not sure on the driver, its likely loading the wrong one\n<oly> as looks like theris still no driver file for this sound card\n<ali1234> check the system logs\n<oly> will report a bug i can see a kernel oops in the logs when i go back to the older kernel\n<bigcalm> popey: the later\n<popey> bigcalm: thats been the case for years\n<popey> add a cronjob to sudo rfkill blah to shut it down â»\n<ali1234> or disable in the bios\n<popey> bug 922375\n<popey> hmm\n<lubotu3> bug 922375 in gnome-bluetooth (Ubuntu) \"Bluetooth indicator will not stay turned off after reboot\" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/922375\n<ali1234> rfkill is supposed to save state and restore at the next boot, like alsa does with volume\n<popey> ah\n<ali1234> at least i think it is\n<ali1234> maybe the udev rule got broken recently, like the alsa one did\n<ali1234> bug 1268301\n<lubotu3> bug 1268301 in alsa-utils (Ubuntu) \"udev alsa restore restore rules are broken\" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1268301\n<bigcalm> popey: funky\n<ali1234> or maybe it doesn't work anything like that, i dunno\n<ali1234> ah here we go: /var/lib/rfkill/saved-state\n<ali1234> and /etc/init/rfkill-store.conf and -restore.conf\n<ali1234> does not appear to use udev\n<oly> that sounds a bit like the issue i am hitting\n<ali1234> nah, you have an oops :)\n<ali1234> show oops pls\n<oly> um one sec need to setup ssh on the other maching\n<ali1234> the alsa udev thing doesn't get fixed by swapping kernels either, it's caused because the udev rules changed, and the way they are parsed is quite complex, so changes in an unrelated rule can affect other rules\n<oly> http://pastebin.com/3NqnYFKW\n<ali1234> ooh, that's your video driver\n<oly> actually thats for the working one lol\n<ali1234> definitely report that\n<oly> 3.12.0-7 that works fine, i actually have graphics\n<ali1234> probably already reported then\n<oly> whats best way to report, the docs are confusing is it ubunt-bug\n<oly> i was reading some of the docs and could not find an actual command that seemed relevant, they all seemed geared towards applications\n<ali1234> yeah, they are\n<ali1234> that bug should eventually end up on bugs.freedesktop.org anyway\n<ali1234> but you might want to test with the vanilla kernels\n<ali1234> i just searched and i don't see it already reported upstream\n<oly> what shoudl i type to report it to launchpad ?\n<ali1234> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67345\n<lubotu3> Freedesktop bug 67345 in DRM/Intel \"[BayTrail-M] [drm:intel_pipe_config_compare] *ERROR* mismatch in clock (expected 146250, found 0)\" [Normal,Verified: fixed]\n<ali1234> might already be fixed\n<oly> probably fixed in the kernel that does not boot :)\n<ali1234> probably, yes\n<oly> thanks for the help anyway ali1234, will try some things tomorrow\n<oly> at least i have touch screen and video,\n<oly> although anyone know if you can make onscreenkeyboard work with unity ?\n<oly> it seems to work for everything but the dash :p\n<oly> anyway thanks again night\n#ubuntu-uk 2014-01-24\n<ali1234> can you retweet a tweet @ someone who doesn't follow you?\n<popey> yes\n<popey> you can retweet anything so long as you can see it and the person doesn't have their stream private\n<ali1234> but when i click retweet it doesn't let me edit it... i'm too old for this stuff\n<ali1234> i'll just email them the link. lol\n<popey> hah\n<bobtuny> Anyone here?\n<ali1234> yes\n<MooDoo> morning all\n<knightwise> morning MooDoo\n<MooDoo> knightwise: hello :) it's friday :)\n<knightwise> I kneuw :)\n<knightwise> I'm having soundconverter have a crack at some of the flac files I found online\n * knightwise has a day off today \n<knightwise> now I need to drag .epub files out of a recursive file directory structure into one folder\n<knightwise> still looking how to do that\n<knightwise> find -r *.epub /sourcedirs/ | mv /targetdir/\n<knightwise> probably not .. right ?\n * MooDoo shrugs...sorry\n<diddledan__> knightwise: find /path/to/epub/parent *.epub -exec mv '{}' /target/epub/dir \\;\n<knightwise> hey diddledan__ :) thanx ! :)\n<knightwise> found it in the meantime :)\n<knightwise> I have to go through quite a bit of folders :) Been playing with Wget and some google \"intitle\" searches :)\n<mapps> morning\n<knightwise> hey mapps\n<MooDoo> morning morning\n<MartijnVdS> knightwise: hence the 'find' which moves it for you\n<MartijnVdS> \\o *\n<TheOpenSourcerer> Morning one and all :-D\n<knightwise> morning guys :)\n<mapps> so uh i was logged into my machine using ajaxterm through apache webserver on https:// had a problem with apache..did /etc/init.d/apachectl stop.. and uh oh why cant i do anything\n<mapps> d'oh i was using ajaxterm through the webserver:D\n<JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Belly Laugh Day! :-D\n<Myrtti> morning\n<MartijnVdS> hey, new Java.\n<Myrtti> my trusty(!) virtual machine had gotten a booboo during the week I wasn't showing it TLC :-(\n<MartijnVdS> Myrtti: what happened?\n<Myrtti> no idea, it wouldn't boot\n<Myrtti> quicker to reinstall the whole thing and start over than to dig deeper\n<MartijnVdS> aww\n<Myrtti> I'm not experienced enough with the problems they have to waste time on problem solving\n<MartijnVdS> Myrtti: does it show any messages? would it be bugreport-worthy?\n<Myrtti> doubt it, it's more likely to be a PEBKAC than anything else\n<mapps> pebkac?\n<MartijnVdS> mapps: problem exists betweek keyboard and chaird. aka \"user error\"\n<mapps> ahh course\n<mapps> thx\n<diddledan__> PEBKAC tends to be the primary source of errors for me\n<MartijnVdS> diddledan__: get a bean bag instead\n<diddledan__> lol\n<diddledan__> I need a big ball\n<diddledan__> that way I'll improve my posture at the same time\n<knightwise> ls\n<knightwise> oops wrong window\n<diddledan__> knightwise: I agree\n<mapps> lol\n<mapps> treadmill desk is the future\n<mapps> :D\n<mapps> office chaire=silent killer!!\n<MartijnVdS> mapps: http://goo.gl/alp3eT\n<mapps> lol MartijnVdS\n<Myrtti> you mean working sitting crosslegged in a onesie on your bed isn't good?\n<Myrtti> damn.\n<diddledan__> Myrtti: onsesies ftw\n<diplo> Morning all\n<SuperMatt> I just went the longjohns route this morning\n<SuperMatt> so I'm nice and warm :D\n<DJones> Morning\n<TheOpenSourcerer> I got my wife a onesie for Xmas - she thinks it's great. It's purple with dots. Makes her look like a big baby :-)\n<mapps> doesnt everyone look like a big baby in them? They dont appeal to me at all:)\n<MartijnVdS> but they're nice and warm!\n<YaManicKill> Yeah, great for using in the winter, in the house.\n<YaManicKill> Never to be seen by other people :-P\n<directhex> nggggg\n<SuperMatt> I wouldn't be surprised if I saw people in their onesies popping down to the corner shop, or whatever\n<SuperMatt> because for some people laziness trumps decency\n<directhex> i've seen people in onesies in the town centre\n<directhex> also 25% packet loss wtf\n<popey> i saw someone in a onesie in the co-op recently\n<popey> she was buying chocolate\n<popey> pretty sure we knew what was going on there\n<TheOpenSourcerer> My missus won't go out in hers. But should think it's common in Banbury and Farnborough ;-)\n<MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: that article you retweeted mentions my employer (zaaksysteem.nl) :)\n<TheOpenSourcerer> :-D\n<popey> my missus won't wear hers\n<TheOpenSourcerer> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/oss-use-dutch-town-lowers-it-cost-24-vs-peers\n<MartijnVdS> yeah, that one :)\n<popey> so sophie stole it, and it's massively too big for her\n<popey> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--BXYQ48p1IA/UtRU_1ScPiI/AAAAAAAAjO8/qC5Omxq3wGk/w677-h903-no/IMG_2690.JPG\n<popey> has to hitch it up\n<TheOpenSourcerer> ha ha\n<bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)\n<bigcalm> Gosh, Sophie is getting tall\n<SuperMatt> I shall one day get a onsie\n<bigcalm> popey: the photo behind her head, there appears to be more people than your unit of 4?\n<SuperMatt> maybe on the way home tonight because it's payday\n<MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: amazon\n<bigcalm> SuperMatt: Rackspace are paying you already?\n<foobarry> SuperMatt: i've seen people in their pyjamas in coop too\n<MartijnVdS> foobarry: The Dude?\n<foobarry> and slippers. buying superkings for their toddlers\n<SuperMatt> bigcalm: yes, fortunately\n<SuperMatt> and my last job's pay came in too\n<SuperMatt> a little too much in fact\n<SuperMatt> they called me yesterday in a panic because they over paid me\n<popey> bigcalm: sister, her kids\n<bigcalm> Ah, okay\n<SuperMatt> they want me to send the money back, but haven't actually sent the bacs details \\o/\n<foobarry> ubuntu one app stopped uploading pictures :S\n<SuperMatt> eek\n * Laney snuggles directhex \n<diddledan__> Laney: stop that canoodling - you're making us jealous :-p\n<Laney> there's room in this spoon for three\n<Laney> NO MORE THOUGH\n * knightwise thinks MartijnVdS deserves a hugg too because now my ubuntu machine runs like a charm :) \n<MartijnVdS> Laney: you weren't in Prague at the UDS were you? :)\n<Laney> no\n<knightwise> anyone of you guys coming to fossdem ?\n<Laney> the dholbach hug?\n<Laney> yes\n<MartijnVdS> Laney: yeah that one :)\n<MartijnVdS> knightwise: maybe\n<knightwise> same here. If there are gonna be some peeps around that I know I might go too\n<knightwise> or i'll just go do do some interviews for HPR or the Knightwise.com podcast\n<Laney> my first UDS was the one in \"Brussels\"\n<MartijnVdS> Laney: was there a room named that?\n<MartijnVdS> Laney: where was that?\n<Laney> not sure, a magical coach took us there\n<Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M\n<MartijnVdS> Laney: ah, no, the real city of brussels. Didn't go there\n<Laney> got to see sabdfl walking around in his towel & slippers\n<Laney> you had to cross the lobby to get to the gym & sauna from the rooms\n<Laney> weird\n<MartijnVdS> the photo is the same as the one on the UDS-L page\n<MartijnVdS> UDS-Jaunty was my last :|\n<Laney> you're old skool\n<popey> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND\n<popey> 1710 root 20 0 4389528 3.642g 389388 S 21.5 23.4 187:02.22 Xorg\n<popey> wheeee\n<popey> was 2.3 G yesterday\n<MartijnVdS> Laney: my first was \"The Mataro Sessions\", https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MataroConference\n<Laney> huh\n<Laney> hadn't heard of that one\n<MartijnVdS> Laney: the very first one, just after 4.10 came out\n<Laney> did you work for canonical?\n<Laney> back in those idealistic days of yore\n<Laney> shipping the \"best GNOME desktop\"\n<MartijnVdS> No, I didn't.. just a community member :)\n<popey> ah old names in the changelog for that wiki page\n<Laney> that sladen\n<MartijnVdS> Laney: http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=31717518@N02&q=mataro\n<MartijnVdS> recognise ALL the people! 8-)\n<MartijnVdS> (and ancient launchpad)\n<davmor2> Morning all\n<brobostigon> good morning everyone.\n<MartijnVdS> \\o brobostigon\n<brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS\n<bigcalm> Morning davmor2\n<brobostigon> no more workfare/mwa untill wednesday now, makes me happy, my back and hip hurt.\n<bigcalm> davmor2: battery notification is displayed once I resume from a suspend. But not from a cold boot.\n<foobarry> 20 0 282m 116m 12m S 1 1.5 232:23.14 Xorg\n<foobarry> up 51 days, 17:27,\n<diddledan__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25840502\n<MartijnVdS> FASTESTEST EVAR\n<MartijnVdS> In all of space and time!\n<diddledan__> :-)\n<davmor2> bigcalm: file a bug :)\n<YaManicKill> \"It allows them to increase their capacity without having to spend much more money.\"\n<YaManicKill> Bet we'll see increase in prices though...\n<MartijnVdS> YaManicKill: also, transceivers aren't cheap\n<MartijnVdS> for fibre\n<YaManicKill> Yeah\n<diddledan__> I've got a gigabit-capable sfp port on my router - I want BT to install FTTP so that I can get superspeed\n<diddledan__> 40 Mbps just doesn't cut it\n<MartijnVdS> I have a gigabit media converter in my house (and fibre going into it)\n<MartijnVdS> but the other end is only 100mbit :(\n<MartijnVdS> hance I only have 100/100 at home\n<MartijnVdS> hence8\n<MartijnVdS> *\n<YaManicKill> I just want decent speed wifi. Need to save up my pennies and get a decent router. I'm on 76Mb/s internet, but with the router that they provided me with, I'm getting max of 4MB/s\n<MartijnVdS> wifi is never as fast as advertised\n * popey hands YaManicKill an ethernet cable\n<YaManicKill> popey: Oh, where do I plug that into my phone?\n<popey> android phone?\n<YaManicKill> MartijnVdS: I know, but 4Mb/s is crap\n<YaManicKill> popey: of course\n<diddledan__> do any androids support usb-ethernet adapters?\n<popey> yeah, usb ethernet â»\n<popey> apple ones are best ã\n<YaManicKill> Oh for crying out loud.\n<popey> why is your wifi so slow?\n<YaManicKill> What about my tablet? It doesn't support otg\n<popey> bummer\n<YaManicKill> popey: because it's a crappy router that plusnet gave me.\n<popey> ah, shame\n<diddledan__> plusnet -_-\n<diddledan__> cheap as chips\n<popey> i had the same with my vm box so bought a netgear and slapped dd-wrt on it\n<diddledan__> but not as tasty\n<YaManicKill> Aye, I'm just trying to prioritise money just now. Just bought a house, you see :-P\n<YaManicKill> s/bought a house/about to buy a house/\n<MartijnVdS> sounds like the best time to invest in a proper router ;)\n<YaManicKill> Yep, but just need to convince the wife we need a proper decent one.\n<YaManicKill> s/proper decent/wifi ac/\n<bigcalm> Constantly getting \"Error: bad minute\" from crontab. Are there rules for how comments should be constructed?\n<popey> # this is a comment\n<MartijnVdS> make sure # is at the start of the line\n<bigcalm> Yep, that's the case\n<MartijnVdS> bad minute could indicate someone used a minute > 59\n<bigcalm> I replaced all of the blank lines with # # and now it works\n<YaManicKill> ha\n<bigcalm> Since when does crontab not like blank lines?\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: then they weren't really blank. Did they contain spaces?\n<foobarry> when there's special characters\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: also.. DOS line endings maybe? :)\n<bigcalm> Ahhhh, the line endings could be the issue!\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: so.. do you want authorization to hurt the author? :)\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS: chance would be a fine thing\n<bigcalm> ^M everywhere\n<MartijnVdS> who invented those horrible things anyway\n<davmor2> bigcalm: I never add blank lines to crontab. I just type in the comment and then the command next line is the next comment.\n<bigcalm> Taken from a website somewhere: Crontab delimits jobs with line breaks (newlines). Each job occupies one line. Therefore, if crontab sees anything other than an integer in the first column of a line, it throws the âbad minuteâ error, since the minute argument is the first one crontab encounters.\n<Dave2> well that's wrong\n<Dave2> you can have comments in cron\n<foobarry> i remember getting emails from crontab in the past\n<bigcalm> Comments are ignored\n<foobarry> \"there are blank lines in your corontab\"\n<Dave2> Yes. But they are newlines which don't start with integers.\n<MartijnVdS> the cron I know can handle that fine\n<bigcalm> Would be nice if crontab would ignore blank lines as well\n<YaManicKill> Easy fix though... just have a blank comment line\n<YaManicKill> #\n<YaManicKill> Sorted :-)\n<bigcalm> This is the default cron in 12.04\n<MartijnVdS> Or a long comment line: 0 * * * * /bin/true\n<bigcalm> YaManicKill: just done that, looks horrible\n<YaManicKill> bigcalm: better than nothing\n<bigcalm> True\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: how does a default 12.04 crontab end up with dos line endings\n<bigcalm> I know, the deployment script can remove blank lines from the file before it copies to the destination\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS: line endings are no longer the issue\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Blank lines in crontab are fine in Ubuntu's cron\n<MartijnVdS> you're aware /etc/cron.d/* crontabs use a different format?\n<MartijnVdS> with the username to run as between the time and the command\n<MartijnVdS> man 5 crontab, too\n<MartijnVdS> that manual claims:\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS: yes\n<MartijnVdS> Blank lines and leading spaces and tabs are ignored. Lines whose first\n<MartijnVdS> non-space character is a hash-sign (#) are comments, and are ignored.\n<bigcalm> Yep, it's the line endings then. This is nuts\n<bigcalm> My IDE should be saving everything with \\n\n<Dave2> The line ending, on a blank line, is also the line beginning.</zen>\n<MartijnVdS> Dave2: ^$\n<foobarry> 674234368 bytes (674 MB) copied, 329.015 s, 2.0 MB/s\n<foobarry> copying to a usb stick..2MB/s :-|\n<arsen> anyone have any recommended dedicated server providers? not too fussed where it is, currently using a ~£25/mo OVH box but its a bit tired :(\n<foobarry> how can i boot a mac mini from usb if the windows key isn't recognised on the keyboard?\n<foobarry> answer:burn a cd\n<bigcalm> Is there a cli util to convert line endings to \\n for a given file/files?\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: \"fromdos\"\n<MartijnVdS> you can also use sed but that takes work to figure out :)\n<bigcalm> Doesn't appear to be installed by default, but okay\n<MartijnVdS> sudo apt-get install tofrodos\n<bigcalm> Ta\n<foobarry> to frodos!\n<foobarry> isn't that what the hobbits say?\n<davmor2> MartijnVdS: tofrodos for breakfast\n<bigcalm> Greedy\n * popey considers lunch\n<MartijnVdS> davmor2: as in \"I'll have two frodos for breakfast\"\n<davmor2> MartijnVdS: that's just gluttony\n<MartijnVdS> davmor2: ok, maybe I'll save one for second breakfast then\n<davmor2> MartijnVdS: haha\n<foobarry> hmm booting linux on a mac seems overly complex\n<MartijnVdS> foobarry: they're made to run macos after all\n<foobarry> how dare they\n<popey> http://comparemyradio.com/compare/BBC_Radio_2/BBC_Radio_1\n<popey> neat\n<TheOpenSourcerer> Why can't I compare Radio 4 ;-)\n<MartijnVdS> why can't I compare Dutch radio stations ;)\n<popey> hehe, just booted a viglen mpc-l, its running lucid\n<popey> anyone want to take a guess when it was last booted? (it's fscking now) - will check the log when it's done\n<MartijnVdS> 2011-04-23\n<TheOpenSourcerer> 24/01/2010\n<popey> 70%\n<davmor2> popey: 2011-01-28\n<davmor2> popey: that would give you a month or two before you got bored :)\n<popey> still says 70% and no disk activity â¨\n<DJones> Have MS actually bought Nokia's mobile phone business, just a bit confused as to why Nokia would bring out an Android phone (even if it is supposed to be skinned to look like Windows mobile) if they're owned my MS\n<diddledan__> DJones: maybe they had that on the drawing board already before MS bought them\n<DJones> diddledan__: Yeah, thats what I'm guessing/reading\n<foobarry> Myrtti is our resident expert on these things\n<Myrtti> huh\n<Myrtti> what\n<Myrtti> where\n<foobarry> nokia stuffs\n<Myrtti> Nokia wasn't sold\n * foobarry is dipping his BLT sandwich into carrot and coriander soup..yum\n<Myrtti> and Nokia isn't owned by MS\n<MartijnVdS> yet\n<diddledan__> Myrtti: afaik the phone business was\n<Myrtti> MartijnVdS: MS has no reason to buy the rest of the company\n<Myrtti> and it's doubtful it would be sold\n<DJones> diddledan__: As I read it, the deal hasn't been completed yet for the phone business yet\n<diddledan__> Myrtti: \"nokia\" isn't allowed to operate in a competitive field for 2 years last I heard of the \"deal\"\n<popey> 71%!\n<Myrtti> yes, but it's also probable that the Android development started before the purchase plans were published\n<Myrtti> so the fact they've done something like that isn't surprising at all\n<diddledan__> indeed, that would be my guess\n<Myrtti> Following the sale, Nokia will focus on three core business units; its Here mapping service (which Microsoft will license for four years under the deal), its infrastructure division Nokia Solutions and Networks (NSN), and on developing and licensing its \"advanced technologies\".\n<Myrtti> so whatever that R&D on 'advanced technologies' is...\n<MartijnVdS> nanoprobes\n<foobarry> bacon\n<diddledan__> nano bacon?\n<brobostigon> robo bacon?\n<diddledan__> that's end of the world tech that\n<davmor2> guys you need maxo bacon not nano you'd hardly taste it else :D\n<diddledan__> speaking of robots. there's a straight-to-dvd movie I wanna watch - it's got both robots AND zombies!\n<diddledan__> can't remember the title tho\n<diddledan__> here 'tis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XMsC1KiRaQ\n<popey> 72% - man this is taking ages\n<MartijnVdS> popey: still fscking?\n<popey> ya\n<popey> disk blink very sporadically\n<bigcalm> How much of the HDD did you use in it?\n<bigcalm> I still have 2 doing nothing. No idea what to do with them\n<bigcalm> Anybody want 2 door stops?\n<popey> i think it was 80G\n<popey> I'm giving mine to @andysc because his died\n<DJones> bigcalm: If a relative was still alive, I'd tell her to ask you for a door stop, she used to use a 2\" WW2 shell as a door stop\n<popey> forgot how quiet these are\n<bigcalm> No fan iirc\n<bigcalm> But a really REALLY bright blue LED on front\n<bigcalm> Which lights up a whole room, stopping one from sleeping. Tape to the rescue\n<MartijnVdS> solder and a regular diode :)\n<MartijnVdS> I'm thinking of getting a JBC362\n<MartijnVdS> fanless, dual gigabit ethernet\n<MartijnVdS> GMA500 graphics though.. but I'm not going to use that anyway\n<popey> 74!\n<popey> yeah, that LED is a bit bright\n<MartijnVdS> popey: wow, it's getting faster\n<davmor2> popey: isn't the first 50% finding out is there is issue and the final 50% fixing them :)\n<popey> 75\n<JGJones> popey - is it your btrfs partition?\n<popey> no\n<popey> a viglen\n<davmor2> JGJones: no on lucid :)#\n<JGJones> ah. Should get a Granny⢠to do it. They're very patient. (Was told by a friend upgrading a PC for his gran recently. 256MB. And she was using Vista. No it's not slow for her).\n<MartijnVdS> popey: has it hit 80% yet?\n<popey> 77\n<MartijnVdS> what's it *doing*\n<popey> well indeed\n<popey> i just see a plymouth(?) screen and a checking thing\n<SuperMatt> wooo, dkim set up on my server\n<Laney> OH GOD NOT THE ARCHERS\n<czajkowski> someone put me out of my misery\n<czajkowski> can you alphabetical sort stuff on lo or google docs\n<czajkowski> or is it staring me in the face\n<TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: yes\n<czajkowski> yes it's starting at me where......\n<TheOpenSourcerer> What, exactly, do you want to sort?\n<czajkowski> a list of cities\n<czajkowski> *cities\n<TheOpenSourcerer> In a spreadsheet?\n<czajkowski> nope in a plai document\n<MartijnVdS> czajkowski: sort list_of_cities.txt\n<czajkowski> I was going to use a spreadsheet but if I copy that into the document it copies the table and I don't need the table\n<MartijnVdS> czajkowski: sort list_of_cities.txt > sorted_list_of_cities.txt (don't use the same filename twice!)\n<MartijnVdS> czajkowski: can't you shift+paste (\"Paste Special\" -> text only)\n<czajkowski> hmmmm\n<czajkowski> that may work\n<czajkowski> seems to be a fairly simple thing to want to do in a document but missing from LO and Google docs\n<bashrc> add it as a feature request\n<TheOpenSourcerer> You can do this in spreadsheet - not sure about in a writer or doc...\n<MartijnVdS> also, it would work if you used LaTeX source and vim ;)\n<czajkowski> MartijnVdS: bah\n<czajkowski> bashrc: indeed\n<TheOpenSourcerer> why not just C&P into something that you can sort then C&P back?\n<popey> thats what I'd do\n<czajkowski> true I guess\n<czajkowski> just baffling that it's missing\n<popey> 80\n<TheOpenSourcerer> 65\n<SuperMatt> 12\n<MartijnVdS> 42\n<SuperMatt> Mornington Crescent\n<davmor2> czajkowski: don't forget that documents are dumb. The cleverness comes from what you do with it. Like running sort etc\n<TheOpenSourcerer> gah!\n<TheOpenSourcerer> 8\n<TheOpenSourcerer> Mornington Crescent!\n<MartijnVdS> that's numberwang!\n<SuperMatt> too slow man\n<SuperMatt> I've already won\n<TheOpenSourcerer> I had it ready\n<TheOpenSourcerer> but got sidetracked by a though about Ajax.\n<TheOpenSourcerer> s/thought\n<czajkowski> right sorted it\n<czajkowski> into spreadsheet and sort it\n<czajkowski> thanks folks\n<SuperMatt> huzzah!\n<popey> 82 â¹\n<czajkowski> what game are we playing\n<czajkowski> 4 - the hours left in todays work day :)\n<popey> percentage fscked of my viglen I booted up after an unknown period of time\n<foobarry> why so slow?\n<foobarry> i had sparc 10's fsck quicker than that\n<popey> no idea\n<popey> i cant tell what it's doing\n<popey> it's an 80GB HDD with an AMD Geode CPU and not much RAM\n<diddledan__> I like how when you say \"it's fscking the disc\" it could conceivably be either good OR bad\n<diddledan__> ARGH MY DISC IS FSCKED!\n<diddledan__> or dammit it fscked my disc last night!\n<popey> 84\n<SuperMatt> I think it'll be just about done by dinner time\n<diddledan__> lol\n<brobostigon> https://github.com/keelanc/bcsexagesimal/blob/master/src/bcsexagesimal.c now this i like.\n<foobarry> operation \"close chrome tabs\" is in effect\n<diplo> Sorry, the program \"run\" closed unexpectedly\n<diplo> :)\n<foobarry> diplo: #windows?\n<diplo> Nope 13.10\n<diddledan__> \"run\"?\n<diddledan__> that's a very generic program name\n<foobarry> a.out ?\n<diddledan__> lol\n<diplo> heh, why I posted it, was Hotot crashed\n<foobarry> i remember hotot\n<foobarry> used to use it years ago\n<diplo> This PC stays on 24/5 - But after 2 days or so Hotot crashes with that\n<diplo> Not really an inconvenience but maybe worth bug reporting it I guess\n<popey> 86!\n<MartijnVdS> popey: maybe it'll get to 100% before the weekend!\n<Myrtti> suction cups are stupid\n<Myrtti> I've got an obsession on sticking them on the skin\n<Dave2> That's one way to interpret that\n<Dave2> Although now I bet the next time I see a suction cup I'm going to try that. (I probably have too much hair for one to stick though.)\n<MartijnVdS> Dave2: try when you've just shaved\n<Myrtti> don't put it on your forehead for prolonged periods.\n<Myrtti> nuff said\n<MartijnVdS> Myrtti: why?\n<Myrtti> don't put it anywhere visible for prolonged periods\n<Myrtti> MartijnVdS: because suction cups suc\n<Myrtti> suck\n<Dave2> I'd hope they do\n<Dave2> MartijnVdS: now that's an idea.\n<Myrtti> if you didn't get the wisdom behind 'suction cups suck' and 'don't put them anywhere visible on your skin for prolonged periods', don't worry, it'll appear to you in about half an hour\n<Myrtti> I'm obviously *not* speaking from experience\n<Dave2> Now you're just making me want to try even more.\n<JGJones> Is there a package for that?\n<popey> 90\n<JGJones> What time did you start popey?\n<popey> ~12:30\n * DJones predicts a power cut at popey's in about an hour\n<popey> hah\n<JGJones> Storms expected tonight. High possibility of power cuts.\n<JGJones> Oh nothing to worry about, it's not as if we have anything we're waiting for.\n<foobarry> waiting 2 weeks for 2 repair man to arrive\n<popey> oh ffs\n<popey> laptop froze, rebooted\n<popey> now x wont start\n<popey> [ 13.922] (EE) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.\n<popey> what the hell\n<popey> restarted lightdm\n<popey> 91\n<davmor2> popey: man that is still going\n<popey> ya\n<popey> disk is probably utterly broken\n<popey> and when it finally boots there'll be like a bazillion broken sectors\n<bigcalm> popey: want a replacement? ;)\n<popey> hah\n<bigcalm> Surprised but pleased that the Revo is still working well as my parents' server\n<popey> yeah, my revo is chugging along\n<diddledan__> first generation atoms those if memory serves?\n<popey> ya\n<popey> atom + nvidia\n<diddledan__> the nvidia chip was actually pretty awesome\n<popey> yeah\n<popey> with vdpau it was\n<diddledan__> made it a sweet media-centre with vdpau\n<brobostigon> any suggestions for a more detailed android battery usage meters, than the standard one. please.\n<popey> brobostigon: battery widget\n<brobostigon> thank you popey\n<popey> \\o/ fsck done!\n<brobostigon> :)\n<bigcalm> Do I order this or keep looking? http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-TL-SG108-8-Port-Gigabit-Ethernet/dp/B00A121WN6/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=LXT6MFP2WUWA&coliid=I3CSVGNLRUBWZ4\n<diddledan__> popey: does it still work?\n<popey> kinda\n<diddledan__> bigcalm: switches got cheap\n<bigcalm> diddledan__: they did\n<popey> looks okay\n<diddledan__> bigcalm: I remember buying a huge-ass 10Mbps HUB (NOT switch) for just shy of a ton back in the 90s\n<bigcalm> I want this though: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005UGRIIG/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d3_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=07N8057S8YWC7WBNRSXB&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=455344027&pf_rd_i=468294\n<diddledan__> yeah, the netgear prosafe range are pretty solid\n<bigcalm> popey: want to buy back this WNDR3700? ;)\n<popey> hah\n<popey> what's wrong with it?\n<popey> also, how much did you give me for it?\n<diddledan__> not enough ports :-p\n<popey> (I may)\n<diddledan__> popey: does he make a loss on it, break even or get a small profit (should you buy it back)?\n<diddledan__> :-p\n<bigcalm> popey: nothing wrong with it except that I need more than the 4 ethernet ports it provides.\n<bigcalm> popey: £50\n<popey> ahhh\n<bigcalm> It might make me consider the Netgear Wireless-N 8 Port Gigabit VPN Firewall\n<bigcalm> I still have this WNDR3800 I bricked. Never got around to trying to fix it\n<bigcalm> Anybody heard of / used pcmshop.com ? http://www.pcmshop.info/Netgear-8-Port-ProSafe-Wireless-N-Gigabit-VPN-Firewall-FVS318N-100NAS-A5485530\n<ali1234> i'll give you £20 for the WNDR3800. or i'll fix it for £20.\n<bigcalm> There's no advantage of doing so (for me) as it's the same number of ports\n<bigcalm> I have a usb ttl device, just need to get around to plugging it in\n<bigcalm> I wonder if the netgear switch I'm looking at has the NSA loving going on\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: dumb switch or smart\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS: the one with wifi, so smart\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: then maybe\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: but if it's firewalled so it can't talk to the outside AND nothing from the outside can talk to it.. how is it going to talk to them?\n<bigcalm> ...\n<bigcalm> I want to buy this as it'll mean that I don't need an extra mains socket in use\n<bigcalm> I like things to be neat\n<bigcalm> popey: or was is £70. One of those two numbers anyway :)\n<DJones> bigcalm: Has your laptop arrived yet?\n<DJones> Missed the last 48 hours on IRC due to a funeral\n<bigcalm> DJones: sorry man :(\n<bigcalm> DJones: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/426375609325858816/photo/1\n<bigcalm> DJones: very nice so far. Had a problem with 14.04 where the laptop would power back on after being told to shut down. But that issue appears to have gone away after trying the upstream kernel and then going back to the ubuntu one - most odd\n<bigcalm> DJones: the keys will take some getting used to. They remind me of the keys on a public internet phone\n<bigcalm> DJones: the mouse pad is annoying as the left and right mouse buttons are also track pad\n<ali1234> MartijnVdS: what they do is intercept the package after it leaves the seller and before it gets to you. they put in a small circuit board which is about 1cmx1cm, and that contains a radio that copies all ethernet packets. they can then monitor you from up to 8 miles away.\n<bigcalm> DJones: the touch screen is just a gimmick (to me) as Ubuntu isn't really set up for touch yet\n<DJones> bigcalm: Interesting, at least it will install Ubuntu without issues from the sound of things\n<MartijnVdS> ali1234: ah wait that one. Just open the case yourself first :)\n<DJones> bigcalm: But looks nice\n<bigcalm> DJones: yes. As long as the install media isn't corrupted (as mine was 1st time)\n<ali1234> yeah the thing is that that small circuit is built into the ethernet connector\n<ali1234> so you won't see it if you just open the case\n<MartijnVdS> ali1234: also, 8 miles? I can't even get wifi over 100m\n<ali1234> you have to xray the circuit board\n<ali1234> it might have been 8km. probably not though, US hates metric\n<DJones> bigcalm: Its tempting......................................\n<bigcalm> DJones: it's heavy - cast AU. Also getting used to it\n<DJones> bigcalm: How is it with Minecraft\n<bigcalm> DJones: yet to try that! Heh\n<DJones> Thats the killer app...\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: cast Al I hope. Au is a bit expensive to make laptops out ofg\n<bigcalm> Erm, yes, Al :D\n<DJones> Cast Gold?\n<MartijnVdS> DJones: you don't have a gold laptop?\n<bigcalm> DJones: the battery is under the back panel that has to be unscrewed to access. So don't expect a 3rd party enhancement any time soon\n<bigcalm> DJones: I've yet to see what the battery performance is like yet. Only been setting things up so far\n<DJones> bigcalm: Cheers, will give it a week then will poke your brain\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: my XPS-12 can go for about 6 hours\n<bigcalm> DJones: this is the output of lspci http://paste.ubuntu.com/6803821/ - Bloody optimus :S\n<DJones> Heh, thought that might be an issue\n<bigcalm> DJones: don't leave it too long, Dell are doing free shipping at the moment\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS: this isn't an XPS and it's a larger screen. I have high hopes though :)\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it is haswell though, right?\n<DJones> bigcalm: ...points at work credit credit card...\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS: yes\n<bigcalm> DJones: if you make it a work purchase, I'm sure you could get it cheaper than the 799 I paid\n<bigcalm> MartijnVdS: what's haswell?\n<MartijnVdS> bigcalm: your laptop\n<MartijnVdS> CPU\n<bigcalm> Ah, okay\n<DJones> bigcalm: Probably not\n<bigcalm> DJones: work bought me my Alienware X51 - much cheaper than doing so as a consumer as the sales reps all want the commission so can drop the price\n<DJones> bigcalm: Don't think there will be much difference\n<bigcalm> I'll check Minecraft in a bit ;)\n<davmor2> bigcalm: sometimes I wonder if you bother to read the things you paste what haswell ;)\n<mapps> phw my nexus7 charged\n<mapps> thought it was broked:D wouldnt turn on and didnt show the battery icon when i plugged it in\n<mapps> but left it for hours and its now charged and powered up\n<diddledan__> mapps: running ubuntu?\n<mapps> nope\n<mapps> not tried that yet\n<mapps> perhapos i should\n<bigcalm> davmor2: I really don't know what haswell is though :)\n<diddledan__> I've read that in the past some people have had issues similar to that when running ubuntu on there where their device will drain down so completely that it won't charge (sometimes using a specific model of charger has overcome the problem)\n * bigcalm doesn't know about hardware\n * bigcalm goes to eat food instead\n<davmor2> bigcalm: the line from your lspci paste actually gives a pretty good description hence saying what I said :P\n<mapps> diddledan__, i remember reading that same happens with nexus7 running droid ..if its drains completely it takes hours to charge..but there was also the problem where it wouldnt charge at all sometimes..my first n7 i had to take back to argos\n<mapps> it ran down and then no matter what i did couldnbt get ut to charge up\n<MartijnVdS> wow. g+ is flaky atm\n<diddledan__> I guess when it completely runs out of juice the hardware can't rebootstrap enough to get the charging software to put the device into a charging state until after it's got enough charge to be able to run the software (catch 22)\n<diddledan__> software/firmware\n<mapps> yea\n<mapps> i never used g+\n<mapps> :D\n<diddledan__> I forget to use g+\n<davmor2> diddledan__: I haven't had that issue\n<diddledan__> also most the folk I know apart from you lot aren't on there\n<diddledan__> one major annoyance I have with g+ is that it doesn't ajax new content until you click the \"new\" button\n<davmor2> diddledan__: are you saying you know people outside of us? :P\n<diddledan__> davmor2: good point\n<diddledan__> so when does google become wayland corp and own the entire planet?\n<mapps> ya\n<mapps> free taxis\n<mapps> whatever next\n<davmor2> diddledan__: no Intel become wayland. Google become skynet\n<mapps> what a nuisance..lost my passport between manchester airport and home;/\n<diddledan__> ergh, mapps that sucks\n<mapps> gotta get a replacement lost/stolen fill in a new form..a lost form 2 new photos AND get it all countersigned\n<diddledan__> and, free taxis? shuddup and take my money!\n<mapps> right pain if it was a rep[lacement dont need countersign but as its lost i do..luckily my friends wifes a teacher\n<diddledan__> oh. no money involved.\n<mapps> but it also says 'may have to come for an interview to prove your identity' lol shouldnt they be more worred about the people they dont know are here and illegals on fake passports..than me a genuine brit\n<mapps> thinking of going away in March too so must get it sorted\n<mapps> :)\n<DJones> mapps: How do they know you're a genuine BRIT though, as against somebody who's looked at a gravestone for a random DOB\n<mapps> hm\n<mapps> well\n<mapps> it asks my mum/dads dob place of birty etc too\n<DJones> Yeah, but .... google.... or more specialised family history websites\n<diddledan__> they should implant a chip at birth and then you can just wave your foot over a head-height scanner\n<MartijnVdS> \"Sorry, you can't ride this roller coaster\"\n<DJones> diddledan__: Only after the replacement hips\n<DJones> diddledan__: You have a lot of tails\n<diddledan__> either that or minority-report style retina scanners everywhere\n<shauno> I'd totally be in favour of the implant idea, if we could actually trust anyone to compartmentalize data cleanly\n<diddledan__> shauno: gchq are being fasttracked through the court of human rights\n<diddledan__> technically it's a challenge to gchq that's being fasttracked**\n<diddledan__> I guess the court things something might be amiss?\n<mapps> about what?\n<mapps> and yes retina scanners/chips :D do away with passports\n<mapps> heh\n<shauno> just saying I like the idea but not the side effects. I like the idea of having scanners in door handles so your front door works magically; in laptops so it only works for the right users, etc\n<shauno> but my landlord, employer, border control, boots don't all need access to the same info. and we've wound up in a strange place where they all would\n<DJones> shauno: as long as you don't work for google/ms/spammer/government/nsa etc I'm sure the info wouldn't be available :)\n<shauno> I dunno. tesco probably know more about me than the state. phillips probably have better records of when I'm home or not than I do. it's pretty much everywhere now\n<Myrtti> stupid Google\n<mapps> that was strange\n<mapps> https://94.193.78.219/testing/ is my dir containing cgiirc on my server and it was saying server error..perhaps downtime or exceeded capacity..restarted apache and it worked fine hm\n<shauno> hah, I just noticed valve released their own version of 'ye olde steamos'. very cool (yes, I'm a bit late)\n<daftykins> :D\n<directhex> yeah, but theirs doesn't support dmraid\n<directhex> i do a video of that, and i get a queue out the door of people offering me \"services\" as thanks\n<shauno> yeah, I noticed your comparison on the forum\n<diddledan__> \"services\"?\n<diddledan__> as in personal or bona fide?\n<MartijnVdS> pro bono?\n<mapps> what would it be useful for shauno\n<MartijnVdS> oh wow.. look what I just found: http://i.imgur.com/vy9q7tf.jpg\n<diddledan__> which version of the kernel was that?\n<MartijnVdS> let me check\n<diddledan__> 2.4 or earlier? :-p\n<MartijnVdS> it has http://www.toms.net/rb/ on it\n<diddledan__> 16MB of RAMS!\n<MartijnVdS> diddledan__: \"Slink and a half with a 2.2.13 kernel\"\n<shauno> heh, I still have the old-style fsf membership 'card' in the same format\n<diddledan__> I'd like to see you try to put it into a slot-load dvd drive :-p\n<diddledan__> aka every mac since 2005\n<MartijnVdS> all files are from 1999-2000\n<diddledan__> nice\n<MartijnVdS> january 2000\n<shauno> heh, my mac doesn't have a dvd drive :) but the one ones are usb\n<diddledan__> shauno: yeah, but that's because you broke it\n<shauno> nah it still works. it's in a drawer somewhere, I think\n<diddledan__> my mac has a usb dvd drive because it didn't come with one\n<MartijnVdS> I'm going to boot it in a vm\n<MartijnVdS> or not.. I'm going to make an iso anyway\n<diddledan__> it'll fly even in qemu's emulation mode (as opposed to hardwared virtualisation - kvm or kqemu e.g.)\n<MartijnVdS> diddledan__: oh probably :)\n<shauno> I appear to have broken my fireplace. I didn't know that was possible :/\n<daftykins> as in an electric/gas fire unit?\n<MartijnVdS> shauno: chimney fire?\n<diddledan__> shauno: you're pretty good at breaking things\n<shauno> nah, the grate snapped\n<shauno> not gas/electric, fireplace = a hole in the wall you burn stuff in\n<daftykins> fair enough\n<diddledan__> like photos of the ex?\n<daftykins> the term is often misused\n<diddledan__> or better - like voodoo dolls of the ex?\n<daftykins> nearly time for your weekend sleeping pills diddledan! :D\n<diddledan__> :-p\n<MartijnVdS> http://tomorrowcorporation.com/littleinferno (available on steam on linux)\n<Azelphur> hey MartijnVdS a while back we were working on getting my IPv6 going, and my ISP needed to give me some details and activate me\n<MartijnVdS> Azelphur: and, did they? :)\n<Azelphur> MartijnVdS: they did indeed, here's the info they gave me http://pastebin.com/ZpaHmQWa\n<MartijnVdS> Azelphur: ah so it's a manual job :)\n<Azelphur> hehe\n<diddledan__> google+ being down has made the news: http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/24/gmail-goes-down-across-the-world/\n<Azelphur> so on openwrt, I assume I'm editing my wan6 interface\n<MartijnVdS> Azelphur: can you paste your /etc/config/network as well?\n<MartijnVdS> Azelphur: (you can blank out any passwords)\n<diddledan__> Azelphur: which isp are you using?\n<diddledan__> (sheer curiosity here)\n<Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/i0f8JYnj\n<Azelphur> diddledan__: enta.net\n<MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://pastebin.com/EpSxJLgu -- I've modified it a bit :)\n<Azelphur> oO\n<MartijnVdS> Azelphur: - ip6assign on interface lan is now 64, so autoconfigure will actually work\n<MartijnVdS> Azelphur: - wan6 is now static/manually configured\n<Azelphur> so just drop that config in, and then networking restart?\n<MartijnVdS> I suppose\n<diddledan__> except ipv4 won't work then\n<diddledan__> oh wait\n<diddledan__> ignore me\n<diddledan__> ip4 is configged by pppoe\n<MartijnVdS> /ignore diddledan__\n<diddledan__> /nick diddledan_\n * MartijnVdS hopes Azelphur didn't drop off the net\n<Azelphur> MartijnVdS: nah, I'm back\n<Azelphur> it's actually looking a little hopeful\n<Azelphur> MartijnVdS: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Jan/2014-01-24-211126_1702x915_scrot.png\n<Azelphur> but http://test-ipv6.com/ says I don't have IPv6 :(\n<MartijnVdS> Azelphur: let me try :)\n<Azelphur> also for some reason my DNS stopped working\n<Azelphur> swapped from my ISPs DNS to google DNS to resolve that, though\n<shauno> curious, if you're assigning it to wan6, why does wan have a v6 address and wan6 doesn't?\n<MartijnVdS> shauno: openwrt handles interface aliases strangely\n<shauno> just curious. it makes it a bit strange trying to compare the config to the apparent output\n<MartijnVdS> Azelphur: on the device, can you do \"route -n -A inet6\"\n<MartijnVdS> Azelphur: and pastebin it\n<Azelphur> MartijnVdS: on router or PC?\n<MartijnVdS> Azelphur: on the router\n<Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=u6b66KzV\n<diddledan__> your default ::1 route looks odd\n<MartijnVdS> everything to :: seems odd\n<diddledan__> oh wait\n<diddledan__> that's loopback\n<diddledan__> ignore me again\n<Azelphur> xD\n<diddledan__> ::/0 is default route\n<diddledan__> which you don't have one of\n<diddledan__> so your router doesn't know where to send ip6 packets that need to leave your network\n<MartijnVdS> but that's what ip6gw should be for\n<MartijnVdS> probably best to ask on an OpenWRT-specific channel\n<diddledan__> ip6gw is to a network not a single ip - it should have a :2 at the end?\n<ujjain1> I am going to move to London.\n<MartijnVdS> diddledan__: nah, his ISP gave him an entire /64 for a single PTP link between router and ISP\n<MartijnVdS> diddledan__: so I'm guessing :0 and :1 are used for that\n<MartijnVdS> but I have no idea..\n<Azelphur> MartijnVdS: righto I'll move to #openwrt, could you jump in and perhaps dumb down things they say xD\n<MartijnVdS> Azelphur: just say you got those things from your ISP <pastebin here>, and this is your config now <pastebin here>, and if they have pointers to help make it work\n<MartijnVdS> Azelphur: because routes don't seem to be getting set correctly :)\n<Azelphur> ok\n<MartijnVdS> Azelphur: can you paste the output of \"ifconfig -a\" as well?\n<Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/hADGLDBr\n<MartijnVdS> noything weird that I can see, but ask openwrt :)\n<ujjain1> MartijnVdS, do you live in the UK?\n<MartijnVdS> ujjain1: no\n<ujjain1> ah ok, Holland then.\n<diddledan__> holland is the next logical location after the uk?\n<MartijnVdS> diddledan__: of course!\n<MartijnVdS> diddledan__: for everything!\n<diddledan__> MartijnVdS: except bandwidth where the roles are reversed - you've pretty much got the whole internet thing sewn up over there\n<MartijnVdS> diddledan__: yup :)\n<ujjain1> diddledan__, he has a Dutch name.\n<diddledan__> ujjain1: I ignore the j and just pronounce it Martin\n<ujjain1> well, I am going to move to London from the Netherlands and I am scared, financially etc., but I feel I am being to anxious anyway.\n<ujjain1> haha yeah,\n<ujjain1> I recently saw a map of Europe´s funniest accents in English, I laughed when I saw #1 French, I was a bit sad when I saw #2 Dutch.\n<diddledan__> they're funnier than scottish or scouse??\n<diddledan__> www.worldenergy is down - I can't get in via ssh and I don't have any other access details to get into the machine to see why mysql isn't working\n<diddledan__> .org*\n<diddledan__> :-(\n<diddledan__> I guess it's going to remain down till after the weekend\n<shauno> I will admit, the size of subnets still boggles my mind. \"I can has ipv6?\" \"sure kid, have a /56\" takes some getting used to\n<shauno> I have two /48's, one on each router. that makes my head hurt\n<diddledan__> shauno: that's a LOT of address space (2x/48)\n<shauno> indeed\n<shauno> it's just funny the way it works out. get a /48, nice and easy. try to point one /56 to one endopint and another /56 to another .. it's easier for them to just dole out another /48\n<diddledan__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25860454\n<shauno> now that's a 10-minute class you'll remember\n<shauno> I was reading about the 'rosetta' mission recently. it still amazes me that they can target a tiny little rock in the middle of one big nothing, and hit it\n<diddledan__> more info: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/22/amateurs_tag_new_supernova/\n<diddledan__> shauno: and yet they aim at mars and miss so much they can't even figure out where the damned thing went\n<diddledan__> (metric+imperial)\n<shauno> hey, there's a lot of nothing out there\n<diddledan__> but doing the numbers right is kinda an obvious thing to try, though, no?\n<shauno> I've been playing a whole lot of KSP .. I still have a little dude in a tin can somewhere that I have no idea how to bring home. one 'oopsie' is all it takes\n<diddledan__> KSP is awesome. I haven't got out of kerbin's gravity yet\n<diddledan__> I don't play games much though\n<shauno> I'm actually putting together a mars mission right now :)\n<shauno> completely overdone though. I spend last night docking chunks together at 6-7 seconds per frame\n<diddledan__> ouch\n<diddledan__> that's SLOW\n<diddledan__> you must have had a helluva lot of components to be that slow\n<shauno> to put it midly :)\n<shauno> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23042/Screen%20Shot%202014-01-24%20at%2008.01.51.png (the stripey texturing is an odd glitch I keep hitting when I drive it too hard)\n<shauno> (the green section is a floating gas station, 90,000 units of fuel in orbit. and red station is my 'tug' come to refuel. it can tow pretty much anything I can put into orbit, to pretty much anywhere)\n<shauno> (I since discovered the coloured lights are a huge fps hit, but .. I like them :)\n<Azelphur> MartijnVdS: found a dude who's on enta+openwrt, he's gonna send me his configs in the morning \\o/\n<bigcalm> Tum te tum\n<shauno> I really should look into a new router. atm I have one that has the throughput, but no toys (it's apple), and one that has teh powerz but lame throughput\n<shauno> out of curiousity, I popped up a ssh honeypot. the results after the first week kinda broke my stereotypes. china's only in third place, after india & the US\n<diddledan__> shauno: proxies\n<shauno> it doesn't seem so, actually. they all came from a single host, but out-numbered everyone else\n<shauno> interesting to trawl through the list of attempted passwords though\n<shauno> I'm actually surprised to see not a single AWS address in 5,000 attempts, since they have something of a reputation for being a cesspool\n<shauno> also interesting to see a series of attempts from nanjing for root/alpine. that's the default root pass on the iphone\n<shauno> seems a bit tenuous, since you have to root your phone, install ssh but not change the password. and then be behind a carrier that doesn't NAT mobile, assuming they exist\n#ubuntu-uk 2014-01-25\n<MartijnVdS> http://bropages.org/\n<foobarry> most of my fail2ban bans are from china\n<foobarry> \"my\" i mean directed at a few work servers\n<shauno> yeah. That'd always been my assumption too - that's why I found it interesting that I've logged more attempts from India than China.\n<foobarry> both big places\n<shauno> well, sorted by attempts; china win if you sort by unique IPs. so I guess it's skewing towards people who'll try a bigger password list\n<foobarry> ok, so matches my fail2ban scenario\n<shauno> yeah. you shouldn't see a lot of attempts from a single IP if you're banning them after x many\n<foobarry> so lenovo are getting the ibm servers\n<foobarry> will take a while to improve though. currently its terrible to administer ibm servers\n<foobarry> CHINANET jiangsu province network\n<foobarry> nearly all fail2bans over last 24 hrs from there\n<foobarry> s/24/6/\n<popey> Morning\n<MartijnVdS> \\o popey\n<MartijnVdS> popey: is the fsck done? :)\n<popey> it did finish, but it never boots\n<popey> will look again later\n<foobarry> \"mario kart gives me breath, because i can play sitting down\".\n<foobarry> the answer to why he didn't want to play wii golf\n<foobarry> lazy teenager already at 4?\n<Myrtti> I know this isn't the most brilliant thing around and it's got some flaws, but https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/751733865/smartscope-reinventing-the-oscilloscope\n<Myrtti> might still be interesting to some\n<brobostigon> good morning everyone.\n<MartijnVdS> \\o\n<brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS\n<foobarry> elementary are developing shotwell now? i thought shotwell would be better than geary for yorba.\n<foobarry> feel bad for watching click without my son\n<brobostigon> click is on in 20mins, i think.\n<foobarry> i recorded it\n<foobarry> dont take chances on live tv with little kids\n<foobarry> heh http://ahprojects.com/projects/camoflash\n<foobarry> i spy ubuntu on click\n<foobarry> on the robot section\n<brobostigon> :)\n<knightwise> afternoon guys\n<brobostigon> quick visit.\n<brobostigon> wb knightwise\n<knightwise> hey there\n<knightwise> how are you bro\n<brobostigon> not bad, and you?\n<knightwise> doing ok.. Wife sleeping on the couch\n<knightwise> taking the time to tinker on the computer a bit\n<knightwise> jsut installed the tor browser and stuff\n<brobostigon> :)\n<knightwise> and torify is a pretty cool command when you think of it :)\n<knightwise> firefox vs torify firefox :)\n<brobostigon> i similerly like orbot on my droids.\n<knightwise> do you need root for that ?\n<knightwise> probably right ?\n<brobostigon> nope.\n<knightwise> ah\n * knightwise googles orbot\n<knightwise> sounds very interesting\n<knightwise> especially when you are on open wifi and stuff\n<brobostigon> however you can run it on root, and it adds a few more features to it.\n<brobostigon> yes.\n<brobostigon> i do however have openvpn setup, for that aswell.\n * knightwise needs to get openvpn working on his router\n<knightwise> should not be that hard though.\n<knightwise> I have an asus AC66U with Merlin\n * brobostigon points knightwise at MartijnVdS's blog for guideance.\n<knightwise> Url again ?\n<knightwise> (me needs to subscribe)\n<brobostigon> let me try and find it.\n<brobostigon> i cant find it, :(\n<knightwise> no prob , i'll ding him when I see him\n<brobostigon> :)\n * knightwise needs some tea\n<popey> http://dhmholley.co.uk/civclicker.html IS FUN\n<popey> -caps\n<penguin42> popey: Ahem - damn you, that's some time wasted :-)\n<popey> yeah, fun isnt it?\n<shauno> okay, I'm missing something - where does Ore come from?\n<Myrtti> stone\n<Myrtti> if you upgrade miners\n<Myrtti> popey: I hate you\n<shauno> but I need 10 ore to upgrade miners. I seem to be stuck in a catch-22 there\n<directhex> fire your smiths\n<directhex> same when you need leather, fire your tanners\n<shauno> no smiths, seemed silly with no ore lol\n<shauno> I just did ore.total=10 on the error console, jump-started that catch-22 :)\n<DJones> Heh, friend just sent me a link to this http://www.sadanduseless.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/2581.jpg possibly something you'd agree with Myrtti especially when you hear people in the uk commenting on cold weather\n<Myrtti> http://lordeh.tumblr.com/image/2899693012\n<DJones> Thats not quite the normal pic's he sends, but yes the sentiment is very similar\n<Myrtti> it's the garden swing picture, isn't it?\n<DJones> I think the last picture was his car under about 6 feet of snow\n<DJones> Or quirky ones like this https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/q71/s720x720/1533886_10203231754453931_1018423267_n.jpg\n<DJones> Myrtti: You mentioned the garden swing picture.... https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/168420_1854126432164_5913589_n.jpg\n<Myrtti> http://isjkl.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/meanwhile-in-finland.jpg?w=720\n<DJones> Is that typical of the whole country in winter, or do different areas get affected differently\n<Myrtti> well you can see the amount of snow now-ish http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/12067909824/ from the edge of the planter\n<Myrtti> I suspect there's less snow on the southern coast\n<DJones> Friend moved to Jyväskylä from the UK about 5 years ago after speaking/meeting his partner on facebook, brave to do that, but they're a good match for each other\n<Myrtti> AlanBell: what happened to your cloak!\n<AlanBell> Myrtti: I appear to have fallen off the internet\n<Myrtti> you have\n<AlanBell> Myrtti: lots of weather is happening, it might have something to do with that\n<Myrtti> indeed\n<MartijnVdS> weather? where?\n<popey> â¥\n<popey> a tree fell on a car at frimley park hospital just now\n<popey> yay, went out to take sam to a party, come back to 176K piety\n<Myrtti> well atleast this makes a little bit more sense than Settlers online\n * AlanBell is looking forward to haggis\n<mapps> yea the weather's pretty bad..i wokeup to rain banging on my windows and thunder and lightnoing!\n<Myrtti> very very frightning\n<Myrtti> sorry\n<Myrtti> I'll see myself out\n<MartijnVdS> galileo?\n<mapps> well\n<mapps> Myrtti, the prospect of having to walk to work i that weather was frightening\n<mapps> :P\n<TheProphetS> Hi all\n<MartijnVdS> \\o\n<TheProphetS> I have a problem with ubuntu 13.10. I could not see the mouse pointer and fonts were super large so I tried removing nvidia drivers and reinstalling them but now I the screen is just black, I see grub, but Ubuntu does not show. I am pretty positive it gets to the login screen but I can't see anything. I have an intel card as well and the pc is connected to an LG tv\n<MartijnVdS> what happens when you connect the screen to the intel card?\n<MartijnVdS> it might be seeing the wrong one first, and using that\n<TheProphetS> I can see the screen but no pointer and large fonts just like it was with the nvidia\n<MartijnVdS> Did it work and break later, or did it never work?\n<MartijnVdS> Does the installer show correctly?\n<TheProphetS> It always worked\n<TheProphetS> The installer you mean the nvidia one? I was using the repository drivers\n<MartijnVdS> what broke it then?\n<MartijnVdS> no, I mean the Ubuntu installer :)\n<MartijnVdS> did that also have big fonts?\n<TheProphetS> Never had big fonts before\n<TheProphetS> And could always see the pointer\n<MartijnVdS> so, what changed to make that happen?\n<TheProphetS> I'm guessing an update of some sort\n<TheProphetS> I run aptitude safe-upgrade usually to be on the safe side of things\n<MartijnVdS> hmm\n<MartijnVdS> I don't have nvidia, so I don't know if I can help you\n<MartijnVdS> popey might know, he always knows.\n<TheProphetS> Is there a way to remove all nvidia stuff and maybe unity as well , and would that help?\n<MartijnVdS> I doubt it\n<popey> how did you remove the nvidia drivers?\n<TheProphetS> Also when I connect to the intel card I can't see the virtual terminals, I just see the still image of X\n<TheProphetS> Sudo apt-get purge nvidia*\n<popey> and how did you install them?\n<TheProphetS> Sudo apt-get install nvidia-current\n<popey> you may have removed something else that's needed\n<popey> try \"sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dsktop^\"\n<popey> er\n<popey> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^\n<TheProphetS> Is it ok if I do it when connected to the intel card? I can't seem to find a way to access the other virtual terminals\n<popey> yes\n<TheProphetS> I'm gonna have to try safe mode now, can't even see the login screen with the intel card now, or at least I could see it for a few seconds and then it went blank\n<TheProphetS> I mean recovery mode, sorry\n<TheProphetS> Ubuntu-desktop is already the newest version apparently\n<TheProphetS> At the moment I have the nvidia 304 driver installed\n<TheProphetS> But also nvidia-driver, nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-amd64, nvidia-kernel-dkms, and many others are NOT installed, is that wrong?\n<Myrtti> this made me chuckle. http://imgur.com/gallery/ulwiHGy\n<MartijnVdS> Myrtti: custom status messages \\o/ :)\n<MartijnVdS> we used to do that at uni\n<Myrtti> (also, sorry for the language on the first image)\n<bigcalm> Evening peeps :)\n<popey> TheProphetS: you need the ^ on the end\n<MartijnVdS> \\o bigcalm\n<popey> bigcalm: hows the laptop?\n<TheProphetS> Popey I have unmet dependencies\n<popey> can you pastebin it?\n<bigcalm> popey: pretty sweet. Glad I bought it :)\n<popey> 18:22:11 < TheProphetS> But also nvidia-driver, nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-amd64, nvidia-kernel-dkms, and many others are NOT installed, is that wrong?\n<popey> TheProphetS: yes, because you removed nvidia* which was a bad thing to do\n<bigcalm> Oh, is nVidia working properly in 14.04 yet? :)\n<TheProphetS> Unmet dependencies are for libgoa-1.0-0\n<popey> can you pastebin the full output?\n<popey> sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<popey> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ | pastebinit\n<popey> then give us the link\n<TheProphetS> I am using the root shell from the recovery mode and I think I'm not connected right now, gonna try and get online from the shell\n<TheProphetS> Although I shouldn't since its a root shell\n<popey> do you have wired or wifi?\n<TheProphetS> Wifi\n<TheProphetS> Maybe there's a way to start in text mode\n<popey> there is\n<MartijnVdS> there is, it's rescue mode\n<DJones> !text\n<lubotu3> To start your system in text-only mode append 'text' (without the quotes) to the kernel line in the grub menu. You can access the grub menu by pressing Esc (Grub legacy) or Shift (Grub2) during boot. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Text%20Mode\n<popey> \\o/\n<MartijnVdS> oh?\n * MartijnVdS learns something new\n<TheProphetS> Dunno what I've done exactly but I managed to start a shell and install pastebinit\n<TheProphetS> A proper login shell from recovery mode\n<TheProphetS> Http://paste.ubuntu.com/6815808\n<popey> TheProphetS: do you have any PPAs enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?\n<TheProphetS> Sorry about the capital H\n<popey> i suspect you have the gnome3 team ppa enabled\n<TheProphetS> Yes\n<popey> do you use gnome shell?\n<TheProphetS> Not really, just when unity breaks or when something new comes up in gnome shell\n<popey> ah\n<popey> well that's contributing to your woes a bit\n<TheProphetS> Should I purge it? I don't mind really\n<popey> but probably unrelated to the nvidia issue\n<popey> maybe â»\n<popey> i probably would, to get back to stock. you can always try and re-add later\n<MartijnVdS> popey: a different gtk setting could lead to big fonts -- dpi stuff\n<popey> true\n<popey> good point!\n<TheProphetS> Gnome-shell is not installed at the moment\n<popey> but other related things are\n<popey> which one do you have?\n<popey> gnome3, gnome3-next or gnome3-staging >\n<popey> ?\n<popey> basically \"sudo apt-get install ppa-purge\" then \"sudo ppa-purge ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3\" or \"/gnome3-next\" or \"/gnome3-staging\" depending on which one you have in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/\n<popey> i need to go and bath the kids\n<popey> (not an euphemism)\n<TheProphetS> Ok enjoy the bath :-) thank you!\n<TheProphetS> Have you tried SteamOS yet?\n<maps|work> not i\n<TheProphetS> How about the 14.04 LTS?\n<maps|work> na im way back on 13.10 :)\n<maps|work> im always quite slow to upgrade\n<maps|work> what are you running?\n<maps|work> hi apache\n<maps|work> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57617743-93/does-your-isp-throttle-bittorrent-traffic-find-out/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title\n<maps|work> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57617743-93/does-your-isp-throttle-bittorrent-traffic-find-out/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title\n<maps|work> UKs higher than i thought\n<maps|work> whereas the United Kingdom was the second most throttled country in Europe with 28 percent,\n<shauno> if only that was the biggest thing wrong with connectivity in the UK\n<maps|work> well yea i just wish i could get cable or FTC\n<maps|work> who are you with\n<shauno> I haven't lived in the UK for 13 years. so my last there was freeserve\n<maps|work> ah wow that was ages back i had freeserve whgen it was dialup and pcworld ran it or something iirc\n<maps|work> where'd you live now? Spain?\n<shauno> hah, I wish. Ireland for now\n<shauno> I'm on UPC. they appear to be in roughly half of europe. they do block tpb due to court process, but other than that, I'm glad it doesn't resemble the UK too closely\n<maps|work> yea this lame blocking torrent sites is just dumb..it's just like whack-a-mole block one domain a new one pops up\n<maps|work> even if they block the domain and associated IP it hardly stops it.. a quick google of tpb and any idiot can get round the UK block\n<shauno> I pay for 120, usually get closer to 150-180 depending on time of day, and don't have \"think of the children\" filtering. For me, it's about as good as it gets without moving to the Netherlands\n<maps|work> lol think of the children you mean all this talk abourt blocking porn/suicide sites/violence etc? what a load of nonsense - these filters are operating atm but not enforced and existing customers have to opt in but IIRC you'll have to opt out in the future\n<maps|work> its all a totla waste of tme..\n<shauno> it sounds kinda idealistic, but it doesn't bother me what they're blocking. it bothers me that they've now built the infrastructure, so they can add anything they like, whenever they like\n<maps|work> what do you mean about add anything they like?\n<maps|work> yea it is idealistic..I mean it's not practical..how easy is it to circumvent..be it a proxy or a VPN or a web based proxy so the user needn even have to know how to setup an http proxy/vpn server\n<maps|work> i.e. tpbunblocked.me any fool can click that - and the filtering of websites leads to sites being blocked thjat shouldnt be i.e. the UK filter has ended u blocking some sex education sites/rape charity sites..clearly not intended\n<shauno> it's a \"slippery slope\" scenario. If the filters don't exist, you can just say \"not technically feasible\" any request\n<maps|work> yep..where do they stop i hate talk about censoring the net..its like parents that say ask.fm needs to be monitorred or shut down\n<maps|work> how would that wo0rk..shutdown ask.fm and the next day a new one opens up under a differnt name/different location...if people want to find a way to access stuff they will\n<shauno> once they do, \"omgz child porn\" turns into \"protect the copyright holders\" turns into \"there's an injunction about x scandal involving y football player\", and it winds up being full-scale thought police far too quickly\n<maps|work> look at how the darkweb (tor) is full of child porn apparently - well they cant filter that\n<maps|work> yea\n<maps|work> but then no one country/person owns the internet so they can never FULLY filter it\n<shauno> I guess my issue is that being able to say no to everything was far more trustworthy than letting some civil servant decide what to say no to\n<maps|work> what do you mean being able to say no to everything?\n<shauno> well, when the simple excuse was that it wasn't possible. the simple, innocent days\n<maps|work> will this uk wide filter last or will it exist for a bit and eventually be scrapped?!\n<shauno> I hope it won't last, but I don't hold my hopes high. the chances of finding enough politicians willing to stand the \"fighting to allow child porn\" flak is unlikely\n<shauno> I do hope for a lot more transparency. we should have access to a full list of what's filtered, why, at who's request. and requests that are pending/denied.\n<shauno> that would inspire a lot more confidence in whoever gets to tick the boxes\n<maps|work> thing is it cant be maintained..each isp has their own filter and its based on algorithms..not someone manually adding/removbing..surely its too time consuming to have to manually add/remove sites\n<shauno> what I do find an interesting mental exercise; I'm currently in the process of moving to central/eastern europe. \"the other side of the curtain\" by all accounts. and I find it interesting to see things from their point of view\n<penguin42> shauno: Where about?\n<shauno> 40 years to oust the russian, often a price paid in blood; and the net result is that they now have a different name for big brother. that feels like a huge letdown\n<shauno> penguin42: slovakia\n<penguin42> shauno: Interesting, I don't know anyone who has gone there\n<maps|work> not sure what you mean? you mean becuase they used to be russian controlled and now arent\n<maps|work> ive been to Czech republic (formerly czechoslovakia) and was meant to go to Bratislava few months back but couldnt..will go sometime this year\n<shauno> because it used to be the stazi trying to monitor what they read, who they talked to, etc, and now there's western govts doing exactly the same thing much more efficiently\n<penguin42> yeh, I know people in Brno\n<shauno> I've only been to brno once. it wasn't my idea, it was ryanair's :|\n<penguin42> shauno: It shouldn't really be too much of a surprise to anyone - after all Cryptography was pretty much banned in France until fairly recently\n<maps|work> hm howcome you meant to Brno and not PRAGUE\n<shauno> brno was the closest airport to where we were meant to be going (bts/bratislava)\n<maps|work> AHH\n<maps|work> yea there's no airport in bratislava right? when i was looking a lot of flights were to austria then transfer i think?\n<penguin42> that is bizarre; http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/rearrange-your-office-easy-wit-143995\n<shauno> my only impressions were that it's a scary airport; they still have doors marked in cyrillic before passport\n<penguin42> (in a great way)\n<shauno> bratislava has a pretty decent airport. it feels like grant money; completely overdone for their needs\n<MartijnVdS> lots of airports are like that\n<shauno> so ryanair fly their rather than vienna because it's much cheaper, but only a 1hr bus transfer to vienna\n<shauno> but the airport is so quiet that they still meet every flight with a fire engine\n<shauno> it honestly feels like you've just walked in on one big charade. and I've been there .. I think 20 times in the last 24 months\n<MartijnVdS> shauno: Bratislava? Why go so often?\n<shauno> because I'm simple, and there's a girl involved\n<MartijnVdS> Maybe she gets the firetrucks to go out and greet your plane? :)\n<shauno> I'm trying not to be an idiot about it, but the job market looks fantastic from my POV.\n<shauno> overall they're basically assembly lines. last I heard they produce more cars per capita than any other country globally\n<penguin42> shauno: Generally it seems pretty good at the moment\n<MartijnVdS> work-from-home jobs work from everywhere, also, development jobs are everywhere (local and \"remote\" work)\n<shauno> but there's a lot of multinationals just begging for anyone who doesn't think that networks are pure voodoo. and a lot of the same multinationals that have to meet employment goals of native english-speakers\n<penguin42> MartijnVdS: Nod\n<MartijnVdS> one of the few jobs that have seen very little decline, software dev\n<shauno> dell, amazon, at&t, novell, ibm, etc. just crying out for anybody at all, with a heavy preference to native english speakers\n<penguin42> MartijnVdS: Oh it's because as more developers are added we manage to make bigger, more complex systems that have more places to add more developers - goto START\n<MartijnVdS> penguin42: sounds like.. a job security machine\n<maps|work> hm there's an airport in Bratislava? howcome they fly to Vienna and you have to go from there then on most flights?\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: vienna airport is bigger, more flights go to it\n<maps|work> aha\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: bratislava airport is probably a lot cheaper to land at (hence ryanair)\n<maps|work> when i looked on expedia i didnt see a single direct flight to BTS airport\n<maps|work> if its cheaper why wouldnt more fly direct\n<maps|work> direct seems better?\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: ryanair doesn't allow (m)any third parties to access their flight data\n<jussi> ryanscare dont usually come on the agregated searches\n<shauno> yeah, ryanair don't like indexers. they dont' want \"we're the cheapest\" to be a question\n<maps|work> ah\n<maps|work> but jet2 dont fly direct for example\n<jussi> vienna is a very big airport... a major hub iirc.\n<maps|work> and ryanair was horrible when i flew to majorcaused -used jet2 for Prague and KLM for Holland both way better..do any others than ryan air fly direct??\n<shauno> ryanair are about the only 'western' carrier I've found that do\n<maps|work> ahh ok thought so..damn flying direct would be way better!!!! oi know you can get easily from vienna to bts but its a hassle - how long does it take?\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: Ryanair to the Netherlands flies to Eindhoven. Which is almost as far from Amsterdam as Birmingham is from London\n<shauno> it's about an hour by bus, and about the same by rail\n<maps|work> I flew to Schiphol very big airport\n<jussi> MartijnVdS: oh come on, doesnt the netherlands fit into Birmingham? :P\n<shauno> annoyingly, by rail is *much* cheaper from bratislava to vienna, than the reverse\n<MartijnVdS> jussi: shush\n<jussi> hehe\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: Schiphol is a great airport.. and I've seen a few :)\n<MartijnVdS> SFO isn't bad either\n<jussi> I love schiphol.\n<maps|work> yes , I had a McDonalds and heineken for my pre flight meal\n<jussi> Helsinki is also nice.\n<shauno> last I used the trains there, it was e15 for a bts-vnn return, and e40 for vnn-bts one-way. and starting in bratislava bought you access to vienna's public transport for 24hrs\n<maps|work> hey MartijnVdS howcome everywhere on Holland was Heineken? very rarely saw say Amstel or anything else?\n<maps|work> but Amstel is nice\n<jussi> but then again... avoid CDG like the plague...\n<maps|work> Heineken was EVERYWHERE\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: yes, and we HATE it :)\n<maps|work> yes so why is it everywhere?\n<maps|work> what do you like?\n<jussi> price....?\n<shauno> http://www.bts.aero/en/passengers/flight-information/current-arrivals/ gives you an idea of who uses BTS. it's pretty much ryanair and a bunch of airlines you've never heard of\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: well, I'm biased, my brothers are brewers ;)\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: http://www.vandestreek-bier.nl/\n<maps|work> ah\n<maps|work> you dont like Amstel either? amstel and groslch were both fine but rarely saw them\n<maps|work> heineken was expensive most places nearly 6 euros\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: it's all mass-produced. I prefer beer from smaller/local breweries -- much more interesting taste than plain pilsner\n<shauno> paris was the worst I've found yet. for 8e you can get a bartender to laugh at you. to add liquid goes up from there\n<MartijnVdS> shauno: ask for wine instead?\n<maps|work> lol shauno\n<shauno> I'm not a big wine guy\n<maps|work> so noo other airline flies direct to BTS that sucks - so is it best to fly direct with ryan air and just make do with rubbish airline or fly with someone else and do a transfer from vienna?\n<shauno> it works as long as it's cloyingly dry. it's difficult express that in a bar that speaks Foreignese\n<shauno> personally, I stick with ryanair. despite the reputation, they're pretty decent as long as you're willing to play the game\n<maps|work> i mean sure theyre ok but damn i mean there reaqlly isnt any room KLM/jet2 was way more comfortable\n<shauno> but I do have a bias that I'm in the republic, and there's not so many flying from here (it's difficult to penetrate ryanair's home turf)\n<jussi> maps|work: its a short flight...\n<maps|work> true\n<MartijnVdS> shauno: \"un vin sec s'il vous plaît\"\n<maps|work> but it was still nicer on klm and jet2:D\n<MartijnVdS> speaking of French\n<maps|work> if it wasnt a short flight..wouldnt even consider!\n<shauno> I've developed a very useful talent. I'm usually asleep before they've finished boarding, let alone flying\n<MartijnVdS> I need to book a hotel there :)\n<maps|work> hey MartijnVdS i went to amsterdam dungeons on my last day in Holland..that was fun!!\n<maps|work> we were just walking around killing some time ..we'd checked out of hotel and flight home was later that evening\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: I've never been to those\n<MartijnVdS> (and I work in Amsterdam..)\n<shauno> it helps that my regular flight requires me to leave the house at 1am, to make a bus for a 6am flight and a 10am arrival. passing out as soon as I'm sat down is almost mandatory\n<jussi> shauno: ouch\n<maps|work> i hadnt been to any of them before .id heard of london dungeons but hadnt been..it was cool man!\n<maps|work> i still remember the young girl..near Hard Rock cafe 'yes it is ok to cycle at night you wont get raped here' :D think she maybe meant something different\n<jussi> maps|work: can you play dungeons and dragons there? :P\n<shauno> it works out surprisingly well. 3 hours of doze on the bus, 3 hours of sleep on the plane, and I'm good to go when we land\n<shauno> a'dam is strange for that. it's okay to cycle pretty much anywhere. walking or driving is scary - militant cyclists hide around every corner\n<maps|work> yep cars..tram..cyclists..walking around is tough!!\n<penguin42> shauno: You've just given me a mental image of someone on a penny-black with a machine gun\n<shauno> penguin42: that wouldn't be far off. the cyclists 'run' a'dam.\n<maps|work> hah jussi :D honestly though its way cooler than i thought it'd be id like to go to the london dungeons at some point now after how good amsterdam one was\n<shauno> I did like amsterdam though. it's on the short list of places I'd live in by choice\n<maps|work> not sure i would\n<maps|work> too used to the uk. MartijnVdS you live near central ams?\n<shauno> the center is impossibly cute, and they're absurdly friendly for what's essentially a germanic people\n<shauno> I'm not used to the UK; I left at 20. and you honestly couldn't pay me to go back\n<penguin42> this Virgin router is very broken; it's showing my netbook which is connected to 1) the wifi on the router, (192.168.0.x?) and via ether via another NAT layer with the NATd address and showing it under the Wireless devices that's impossible\n<penguin42> shauno: We won't bite\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: I live ~40km from the centre of Amsterdam, in a small town :)\n<maps|work> im confused penguin42 so it is using wifi but u say it isnt?\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: one hour by bus, or 30 minutes by car (but no affordable parking spots available..)\n<maps|work> cycle!\n<penguin42> maps|work: It's showing it connected via the wifi (which it is) but showing it's internal wired address on the wifi pane\n<shauno> penguin42: a large part of my problem is that I find that difficult to believe\n<penguin42> shauno: Haha - where in the UK were you?\n<shauno> portsmouth, plymouth, oxford, newcastle, barrow (south lakes), and near helensburgh\n<shauno> errr near glasgow (helensburgh)\n<penguin42> hmm, never been to any of those places\n<maps|work> portsmouths ok\n<maps|work> lived there when i was at uni\n<shauno> my last visit to the UK .. I wandered from the bar to the nearest corner shop to buy smokes. I accidentally reached into the wrong pocket and produced a 10e note instead of a 10gbp note\n<shauno> they didn't just laugh at me. they grabbed my jacket and pushed me out the door\n<shauno> while, yes, I was rather drunk - I wasn't antisocially so - I'm far too much of an introvert for that. but I've lived england, scotland, ireland, the US, and I've never been treated like that anywhere but 'home turf'\n<maps|work> =[\n<penguin42> :-(\n<shauno> (that was newcastle city center, but I honestly don't have a better opinion of anywhere that uses 'innit' in a sentence)\n<maps|work> i find the red light just so funny MartijnVdS :D how its a normal bar then 3 hookers in a window :D\n<shauno> I thought my scheme of carrying euros in left-hand pockets and sterling in right-hand pockets was genius. oh well\n<maps|work> best solution\n<maps|work> stop smoking\n<maps|work> !\n<jussi> see, here in .fi, cash is almost unknown... excet for somethiing you use in the slot machines in service stations :P\n<MartijnVdS> similar in .nl\n<shauno> I'm kinda scared of plastic lol\n<penguin42> uses plastic for most stuff\n<MartijnVdS> though some people use cash almost exclusively\n<shauno> I had a bad experience, not long after I moved here from the US. I only got a credit card because the debit scheme in ireland is unheard of anywhere else, and I live on the internet\n<maps|work> in pub MartijnVdS ? have to use cash\n<shauno> so I went to a job interview in london, went to check-in at the hotel, and required my CC pin for the first time ever. I had no idea what it was. very awkward\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: Nah, you can use cards in most now\n<maps|work> for just 1 beer?!\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: sure\n<maps|work> oh didnt know often pubs/bars have 10GBP minimu\n<shauno> I try to use my card where I Can just because it makes accounting easier, but I try to make sure I have enough cash to cover eventualities\n<penguin42> some shops do as well\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: they lowered transaction costs here to have shops accept cards for lower amounts\n<shauno> minimums tend to apply to credit but not debit, fwiw\n<MartijnVdS> the \"we use your credit card as a tab\" system is unknown here though :( Like that bit of pubs in the UK :)\n<maps|work> yes MartijnVdS have you been to cz? totally diff there its all on tab --- get a beer..sit down tab get another etc\n<shauno> long ago I worked in 'service' .. processing charges on credit were a percentage with a fixed minimum, charges on debit were just the fixed minimum\n<maps|work> very different to UK\n<directhex> cash\n<directhex> seriously\n<directhex> it's 2014 and we trade using shiny pebbles\n<directhex> i mean, wtf?\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: I've been to Prague. Horrible city.\n<maps|work> ya but sometimes they charge you to use a card in a shop too remember\n<maps|work> :(\n<shauno> prague is pretty but unfriendly. bratislava is ugly but friendly :)\n<MartijnVdS> shauno: when I was there, prague was ugly and unfriendly\n<MartijnVdS> though beer was cheaper than water\n<maps|work> i thought bratislava was meant to be nice not ugly - MartijnVdS people sya Prague is beautiful and also a lot of locals have poor english..not like NL\n<shauno> hah, yeah, BA is the same. cans are cheaper than plastic, and plastic is cheaper than glass. the contents appear to be irrelevant\n<maps|work> guy in a bar in the redlight (guess he was the man running it) said that the people he finds the most annoying are Italians in Holland\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: macho shouty guys?\n<shauno> everyone finds italians annoying, but you didn't hear that from me\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: that's the stereotype anyway\n<maps|work> i think he said theyre sleazy too\n<maps|work> yea\n<MartijnVdS> There are lots of people who believe everyone is the stereotype :)\n<shauno> I have a problem with italians at work, where they appear to think italian is an international language\n<MartijnVdS> I try to avoid stereotype-thinking as much as possible\n<maps|work> lol shauno\n<MartijnVdS> shauno: and the handwaving!\n<shauno> less so the handwaving, cisco's voip doesn't stretch that far\n<MartijnVdS> shauno: reply in clerical latin then\n<shauno> but as far as I'm concerned, international languages are english, podonghua, german, and french. in that order. italians disagree.\n<penguin42> podonghua?\n<MartijnVdS> penguin42: \"standard chinese\", mandarin\n<shauno> what we call mandarin, is a very bad stereotype; 'mandarins' were politicians. potonghua is \"the people's language\"\n<MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Chinese\n<daftykins> ooh, interesting\n<penguin42> oh, interesting fact of the day :-)\n<jennie> hello\n<MartijnVdS> shauno: in Dutch, the tiny sweet orange citrus fruit are called \"mandarijnen\" 8-)\n<MartijnVdS> hi jennie\n<penguin42> MartijnVdS: Same in the UK\n<shauno> so (without the tones) wo hoi shoi podonghua ma? not, do you speak mandarin\n<jennie> hi MartijnVdS , are you from UK ?\n<MartijnVdS> jennie: I'm not :)\n<MartijnVdS> but some of the other people in here are\n<jennie> ok\n<daftykins> we let him off for it occasionally\n<daftykins> ;)\n<penguin42> jennie: And you?\n<jennie> penguin42 are you from UK ?\n * penguin42 is\n<MartijnVdS> penguin42: your name ssounds Antarctic to me ;)\n * penguin42 hands MartijnVdS a herring\n<MartijnVdS> penguin42: http://www.lauraspeaksdutch.info/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/img_0256.JPG\n<shauno> I have to say, the chinese are acutally amazing to deal with. all you need is \"I'm sorry, may I ask, do you speak english\" in mandarin rather than just continuing in english, and you win them on the spot\n<shauno> the trick is not just to ask if they speak english; but to recognise the decorum they expect from a 'servant'. instant win\n<daftykins> penguin42: was it red?\n<MartijnVdS> it's the same with the French really :)\n<daftykins> shauno: servant? 0o\n<shauno> I find french difficult. I Can just about manage \"8am\". phone back after 8am. please. please.\n<MartijnVdS> shauno: but most nouns are the same as in English\n<MartijnVdS> s/most/a lot/\n<shauno> daftykins: confucianism is very heirachial. to an extreme. you can find youtube videos of, eg, hairdressesers rehearing the \"welcome how many I help\" act\n<daftykins> rehearing? 0o\n<MartijnVdS> daftykins: don't you rehearse when you need to talk to customers?\n<daftykins> ...no?\n<MartijnVdS> do you ever talk to customers?\n<maps|work> well\n<maps|work> jennie didnt say much eh\n<MartijnVdS> just checking if everyone here is from the uk 8-)\n * dwatkins waves\n<shauno> sorry, this isn't my most sober, and my keyboard is strugling to translate. they have routines like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USeSAGfko-U\n<maps|work> most of us are:D\n<maps|work> we have a few odd ones out like MartijnVdS :D\n * MartijnVdS listens to Michael Jackson's Thriller.. that video is oddly synchronised.\n<daftykins> shauno: gone already at 9pm!?\n<maps|work> heh\n<daftykins> MartijnVdS: well, clients yeah, but mostly it's ad-hoc on the spot explanations of issues discovered then and there\n<shauno> I forgot to sleep last night. I worked 12 hours. shifts are weird.\n<daftykins> erk!\n<MartijnVdS> shauno: you *forgot*?\n<daftykins> Irish, 'nough said ;)\n<shauno> sleeping is fairly down my list of priorities. I have a job that's conductive to napping.\n<shauno> eg, if it's not beeping, I can do pretty much anything that doesnt' look inexcusable\n * MartijnVdS Ctrl+Gs at shauno \n<maps|work> http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/01/bug-exposes-ip-cameras-baby-monitors/\n<maps|work> always see stff like this with IP cameras..but lol clicking OK when asked for user/pass and you get in:D\n<maps|work> ctrl +g?\n<shauno> oh it gets better. I've found a firefox extension called 'muter', so the beeping is optional. so on the weekends, when there's no grownups - we take turns\n<shauno> ^G should create the terminal bell, from memory\n<MartijnVdS> maps|work: Ctrl+G = \\007 = ASCII \"BEL\"\n<MartijnVdS> = \\a\n<mr_dick> join #dogecoin\n<MartijnVdS> mr_dick: such forget. much /. wow.\n<mr_dick> lol\n<maps|work> ;]\n<maps|work> hm#\n<maps|work> he cant make his mind up\n<maps|work> ;]\n<maps|work> what linux sites/podcasts/magazines do you all read\n<brobostigon> osnews\n<moreati> maps|work: lwn, hacker news, links from twitter, planet python, python weekly, postgresql weekly, 2 or 3 subreddits\n<bigcalm> Anybody here tried playing 140 on Steam on Linux?\n<bigcalm> The game doesn't seem to run for me\n<bigcalm> !ping\n<lubotu3> pong!\n<bigcalm> Oh\n<Myrtti> popey: http://www.corsair.com/us/mx-rgb\n<Myrtti> (obviously no idea how good it is but omg pretty!)\n<maps|work> never even heard of 140\n<maps|work> ooh thats pretty Myrtti hadn't seen that before\n<popey> Myrtti: i really want a keyboard with touchpoint\n<Myrtti> oh, right\n<maps|work> stupid work machine crashed\n<maps|work> can someone paste the respnse i got to my question about what linux sites people read\n<maps|work> please;]\n<Myrtti> osnews lwn, hacker news, links from twitter, planet python, python weekly, postgresql weekly, 2 or 3 subreddits\n<Myrtti> maps|work: ^\n<Myrtti> (didn't include nicknames because it's late and didn't want to unnecessarily highlight)\n<maps|work> thanks:D\n<maps|work> ARGHHH whats happening - sorry got distracted someone pestering me at work-can u paste again:(\n<maps|work> il cp it to notepad then:D\n#ubuntu-uk 2014-01-26\n<moreati> maps|work: also the channel is logged, see the /topic for the url\n<maps|work> ahh thanks moreati\n<maps|work> didnt even think of that, cheers\n<maps|work> :)\n<Azelphur> MartijnVdS: IPv6 is now functional \\o/\n<Azelphur> anyone awake to help me with network-manager not working?\n<Azelphur> this ones a longstanding issue, it won't ever connect, always used dhclient eth0 as a workaround, but that doesn't work for IPv6 :(\n<Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=wgcBK8Y7 looks like it might shed some light on the issue\n<daftykins> those logs read like both v4 and v6 are failing to get a timely response from your DHCP server for both\n<Azelphur> daftykins, really? to me it looks like apparmor is denying the machine to even make a DHCP request\n<Azelphur> if I dhclient eth0 it comes straight up, so the routers DHCP is fine\n<daftykins> oh yeah, i mean as a result potentially\n<daftykins> i thought as you're here you'd have v4 working at least, do you run static instead?\n<daftykins> you and your setups ;) how can even DHCP be quirky XD\n<Azelphur> I'm on my laptop at the moment, my PC has had this problem for a while\n<Azelphur> but dhclient eth0 works as a workaround, although no IPv6, and also annoying\n<daftykins> ah\n<daftykins> no extra switches or what not with dhclient to query for both?\n<daftykins> i've still had pretty much zero exposure to v6 sadly\n<Azelphur> not that I know of, would prefer to fix it properly anyway\n<Azelphur> running dhclient every boot gets old\n<daftykins> indeed!\n<daftykins> i take it the interfaces file is clean of eth0 references so as to not ruin NM's day?\n<Azelphur> yup, only loopback in there\n<daftykins> hrmmph\n<daftykins> desktop always did it across clean installs, so trying a fresh user wouldn't help?\n<Azelphur> nah I imagine a clean install would help\n<daftykins> or find the NM config and nuke it as a test i guess\n<daftykins> anywho, must sleep :D\n<daftykins> semi crazy o'clock reached\n<daftykins> gl with it!\n<Azelphur> \\o/\n<ali1234> i thought you weren't supposed to use dhcp with ipv6?\n<Azelphur> ali1234: seems to work now, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Jan/2014-01-26-041110_972x765_scrot.png\n<Azelphur> it was apparmor.\n<mapps> hey\n<mapps> i had trouble getting ipv6 working..using a he.net tunnel..i could acces ipv6 www sites but not ipv6 irc\n<mapps> ;(\n<mapps> anyone got any ideas?\n<mapps> ?:(\n<MartijnVdS> mapps: does ping6 work?\n<MartijnVdS> mapps: which IRC server are you using? is it up?\n<brobostigon> good morning everyone.\n<TwistedLucidity> Unpaid overtime. What's good about it? :-(\n<MartijnVdS> TwistedLucidity: for the employer? Free labour!\n<knightwise> popey: you awake ?\n<knightwise> morning everyone :)\n * knightwise is looking for a minecraft player to write a guestblogpost on knightwise.com\n * brobostigon is a minecraft newbie.\n<knightwise> brobostigon: its cross platform right ? i mean you can play it on mac/pc/linux\n<brobostigon> its java, yes.\n<MartijnVdS> it is\n * TwistedLucidity is wonderiny why the Lenovo support site doesn't work in FF on Kubuntu\n<knightwise> anyone feeling interested to do a blogpost on it ?\n<knightwise> because I don't know anything about the game , it would be kinda idiotic for me to do a writeup\n<knightwise> and I would hate to leave it out of our \"game week\" series\n<TwistedLucidity> knightwise: Minetest is a F/OSS version of Minecraft http://www.minetest.net/ I really can't comment much further as I've never played Minecraft.\n<knightwise> thanx TwistedLucidity i'll look at the link ! :)\n<brobostigon> i used to run a minetest server also.\n * TwistedLucidity has discovered that Lenovo uses Google Analytics for *every mouse click*. That explains why their site does not work here.\n * TwistedLucidity thinks Lenovo are idiots for doing this\n<MartijnVdS> TwistedLucidity: probably management wanted more/spiffier graphs\n<TwistedLucidity> Probably, but they'll get mor sales the easier I can get at the parts list!\n<TwistedLucidity> And get this, genuine Lenovo screw & take kit is ~£30 from resellers but ~£5 direct from Lenovo.\n<TwistedLucidity> Madness\n<MartijnVdS> see, they're not making money on that\n<popey> morning\n<MartijnVdS> they're making sure you use the resellers\n<MartijnVdS> \\o popey\n<popey> i am now knightwise\n<MartijnVdS> popey: hi knightwise!\n<TwistedLucidity> Ah, but I intend to buy more.\n<Myrtti> popey: did you order the herb salt?\n<popey> not yet\n<Myrtti> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNLcwqUOXfQ <--\n<Myrtti> (not related)\n<Myrtti> (a lot)\n * popey wonders what whenever he visits a steam page it's in spanish\n<popey> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=218631926\n<popey> http://imgur.com/vQRiUrx\n<MartijnVdS> popey: do you have cookies for their domain? Maybe it's set to spanish in there\n<MartijnVdS> popey: maybe you can select the language in a preference screen and store it in your profile somehow?\n<ali1234> that happened to me before\n<ali1234> you just have to switch language back to en and it remembers\n<ali1234> happens if you follow a google search result that happens to link to another language page\n<popey> ahh\n<popey> problem is, how do you change language when you're in a language you can't read â»\n<popey> in fact i see no option in http://steamcommunity.com/id/popeydc/edit\n<popey> aha, found it under the top right menu\n<foobarry> is nemo the fish meant to be disabled? one fin seems stunted\n<MartijnVdS> foobarry: yes, it's mentioned in the movie several times\n<MartijnVdS> he has a weird fin\n<foobarry> http://www.breaknenter.org/projects/inception/\n<foobarry> You can also use Inception to elevate privileges on (almost) any machine you have physical access to.\n<Seeker`> popey: why are you looking at a unicomp keyboard specifically\n * penguin42 removes a very clean 5p piece from the drier\n<Laney> probably worth about 10p now\n<TwistedLucidity> penguin42: Has it shrunk, maybe it 10p before it went in the drier?\n<penguin42> haha cold have been\n * Laney knows someone who bought 10p for £1 because it was extremely shiny\n<penguin42> Laney: Please introduce me to them\n<foobarry> i have some snake oil for them\n<popey> Seeker`: i want a keyboard which is clacky like the model m, but has a super key and a nipple\n<penguin42> 'Excuse me, but can I buy your nipple?'\n<popey> as I'm off to florida next week I may order one and get it shipped to co-worker who lives there\n<penguin42> popey: wth would you want a full size keyboard with a nipple?\n<popey> why would i not?\n<Seeker`> because you'd use a mouse instead? :P\n<penguin42> well the only point in nipples seems to be to provide a very compact pointing device on laptops where you don't have the room for a mouse\n<popey> mice are for losers\n<popey> and gamers\n<popey> that is not the case\n<popey> there are multiple reasons why nipple > mouse\n<popey> (and some cases where mouse > nipple)\n * penguin42 has never liked nipples; always prefer the trackpads\n<foobarry> dell inverted ones are nice\n<popey> I do have a mouse on both desktop and laptop but almost never use them\n<popey> only use mice for gaming, and even then rarely\n<Seeker`> I'm using a \"Das Keyboard\" which I love, but it does'nt have the nipple\n<popey> having a middle button on a thinkpad keyboard also is a winner for scrolling\n<penguin42> (Note, don't bother phoning Lloyds at the moment - it's >10min wait for an adviser)\n<shauno> interesting read foobarry. I gotta admit to a little smugness reading that OSX already mitigates it\n<penguin42> it's odd, this story was doing the rounds a few years ago - I'd thought there was some basic fix that went in back then\n<penguin42> but fundamentally the only fix is to need user confirm of any hot plug\n<shauno> it seems apple's fix is to disable the functionality while the screen's locked, which seems like a sane compromise to me\n<penguin42> nod\n<foobarry> even thru display port?\n<foobarry> id like to try this when i get well again/have time\n<penguin42> I think you mean thunderbolt not display port\n<foobarry> either or\n<penguin42> in which case I suspect they'll disable firewire interface on it, but I doubt they'll stop a dma attack via pci-e\n<penguin42> foobarry: I don't think there's much nasty you can do on display prot\n<penguin42> port\n<shauno> it seems the CVE specifically addresses the firewire dma, so fw over tb should be the same; but no idea about pci-e dma\n<penguin42> I suspect the thunderbolt interfaces to have an iommu or the like, but not sure - e.g. if you hot plugged say something that pretended to be a SATA controller or a video card onto the thunderbolt port it might be able to DMA from anywhere\n<penguin42> but firewire is just so much easier because you can mount the attack from a laptop with firewire\n<foobarry> what about powered on machines with a boot loader password like truecypt?\n<penguin42> make no difference\n<foobarry> its pre boot\n<penguin42> preboot it's harder\n<penguin42> but I'd insert some extra code at that point that stores the passphrase entered and transmits it to the evil person\n<penguin42> then walk away and wait for the user to type their passphrase\n<shauno> on mine it seems it's not available at that stage because I have a firmware password\n<penguin42> yeh that's a good thing to have\n<shauno> I think on most machines there's little concern at that stage because there's no drivers loaded yet. although efi can make that a bit murky (eg, I do have firewire drivers at efi)\n<penguin42> shauno: Still, an interesting question if it has enabled expresscard/thunderbolt/firewire at that point - I wouldn't be too surprised if it's initialised expresscard at that point\n<shauno> it seems it's mostly interesting that you can use it to hit a system that's up, and leave it up. that's quite sneaky\n<penguin42> nod\n<penguin42> machine left at screensaver or in powersave\n<shauno> right - you open my laptop, you get a lock screen\n<shauno> hm, that civclicker .. zombies are kinda overpowered\n<penguin42> haha you must have gone on for a bit longer - after about 5 hours yesterday I got my life back\n<shauno> 12 hour shifts beg for such distractions\n<shauno> but as soon as I figured out that the 'underworld' religion lets you raise the dead and use them as regular workers - but they don't count towards housing or food costs\n<shauno> I starved every last worker. I now have a population of zero, with nearly 7 million zombies\n<penguin42> haha\n<penguin42> much more useful than cats\n<shauno> whenever you need more workers, just send them to war against anyone. win or lose, you'll still end up with enough corpses to make a net gain\n<penguin42> you might want to report that as a bug :-)\n<shauno> the other catch that makes them overpowered is that the cost doesn't scale. living workers get more expensive every time you buy them. zombies are fixed at 100 piety\n<shauno> it doesn't seem to count zombies against population though. so I peaked at 'small town', and now have a 'thorp' (the smallest settlement size) with 7 million residents\n<penguin42> but are you 'overcrowded'?\n<shauno> nowhere close, that's buildings vs land size, not population\n<shauno> and I have a whole tonne of land acquired from raiding\n<shauno> the only downside I've found from this tactic, is that there's no such thing as a happy zombie, so you're capped at 'content'\n<penguin42> but does anything bad happen when your population is content?\n<penguin42> and I guess your zombies don't get ill so you don't need apothecaries\n<shauno> doesn't seem so. I think there's a production bonus for being happier? but I pretty much have a chinese labour market, I don't need production bonuses\n<penguin42> can you use zombies as clerics?\n<shauno> yes. I pretty much have to, since piety is required to raise more dead\n<penguin42> yeh that's what I was thinking\n<shauno> (although they also gain piety from deaths, so mass-murder is also a valid tactic)\n<penguin42> you should be a Daily Mail headline righter\n<penguin42> writer\n<shauno> that actually crossed my mind during an attack. the status log had \"barbarians killed an unemployed\"\n<Myrtti> I wonder if it's possible that my laptop wifi interferes with the wifi of my Nexus 5?\n<foobarry> run wifi analyser\n<foobarry> to check how busy the channels are\n<foobarry> and have your neighbours had a baby recently?\n<foobarry> Bletchley is currently in the throes of a bitter dispute, between owners who want to create a brand new visitors centre, and volunteers who have been working on the site for years.'\n<penguin42> who are the owners?\n<foobarry> dunno, haven't watched the bbc report\n<foobarry> the people who raised 4M moneys\n<foobarry> to save it\n<foobarry> btw... http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.co.uk/2009/10/evil-maid-goes-after-truecrypt.html\n<mapps> ah MartijnVdS i went to sleep sorry\n<mapps> <MartijnVdS> mapps: does ping6 work?\n<mapps> <MartijnVdS> mapps: which IRC server are you using? is it up?\n<mapps> but no and no but i can nslookup an ipv6 host\n<shauno> so if you, eg, \"ping -c 1 2a03:2880:2110:df07:face:b00c:0:1\" computer says no?\n<mapps> yea it says no\n<mapps> but i can do like nslookup iov6.google.com ?\n<mapps> and it returns the ipv6\n<mapps> this is using an he.net ipv6 tunnel\n<shauno> it sounds like you don't have v6 but your nameserver does\n<mapps> ahh\n<mapps> of course\n<mapps> because im using the google ns\n<mapps> hmm\n<mapps> this was on windows7 too...and now its a bit of a mess not sure how to remove the tunnel etc and readd\n<mapps> maybe i should leave that and try setting it up on my ubuntumachine\n<brobostigon> if i have 'hg clone' a repo, how do i update said clone for any changes?\n<mapps> no idea:D\n<brobostigon> git i know, but mercurial, not a clue.\n<mapps> hey shauno just remebered i can reach ipv6.google and the ipv6 test says im ipv6 enabled?\n<mapps> geez how can people pay these rents..house few doors down £1725 a month\n<penguin42> mapps: For what size house?\n<mapps> 4bed\n<mapps> feels like a lot to me\n<mapps> i d struggle to pay it on my own\n<shauno> I honestly wouldn't know where to start on windows. especially since I think 7 should try to do toredo out-of-the-box, which will confuse me hugely\n<penguin42> mapps: a 1 bed flat is about 700 here I think, so a few people sharing would be cheaper than 3 of those - but probably less space than 3 1 bed flats?\n<mapps> im not sure its 4 bed with a dining room/lounge/kitchen and a really big garden\n<mapps> wheres here\n<mapps> and i was on about paying it alone i dont wanna rent with others!\n<mapps> anyone watch Helix?\n<an0n432O> hi\n<mapps> hi an0key_\n<mapps> an0n432O,\n<an0n432O> hi mapps\n<mapps> pretty cold outside brrr!\n<penguin421> stay in this nice warm channel\n<mapps> ;]\n<an0n432O> yeah\n<an0n432O> def\n<daftykins> it's going down to the nippy lows of 4 deg C on the island tonight!\n<daftykins> :)\n<an0n432O> i thought iy would never get cold\n<an0n432O> it\n<mapps> heh\n<mapps> well id rather it was a tad warme\n<mapps> going from inside-> outsides not nice\n<mapps> :(\n<an0n432O> it has been though, unusually\n<mapps> the walk to work || walk to gym == walk as fast as possible\n<mapps> :D\n<an0n432O> u n/s?\n<an0n432O> i had to get up at 6 and walk a mile\n<mapps> n/s?\n<an0n432O> north/south uk?\n<mapps> ahh\n<mapps> midlands now\n<mapps> from south originally\n<an0n432O> 1/2 and 1/2 then but colder than here\n<mapps> often get told how i sound 'posh' or 'gay' as some say one fool even said i put my accent on\n<mapps> :D\n<daftykins> i have my Guernsey voice and my England voice ;)\n<mapps> i just have my normal voice\n<mapps> lol\n<an0n432O> whats wrong with being gay? its 2014\n<mapps> i couldnt manage to put on a fake accent and maintain it 24/7..thatd be pretty tough no?\n<mapps> to keep it up and not slip up\n<an0n432O> yeah gurnsey is a bit posh\n<an0n432O> yeah\n<mapps> didnt say there was an0n432O but im not :)\n<an0n432O> i know\n<daftykins> lol Guernsey's not posh\n<directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuR5YMyfeNI\n<an0n432O> i mean whoever says your gay\n<an0n432O> the accent is i mean\n<an0n432O> whats that?\n<Myrtti> daftykins: oi\n<Myrtti> daftykins: recommend me a reputable webshop for the blue jumpers\n<Myrtti> something that sells products not knitted by tiny hands in Bangladesh\n<an0n432O> directhex, u a hex programmer? i just discovered i hate machine code and assembler\n<directhex> no. i like c# though\n<an0n432O> ok\n<an0n432O> i can cope with c. i just tried assembler, fuckin nasty\n<mapps> c/c++ is ok\n<bigcalm> !ohmy | an0n432O\n<lubotu3> an0n432O: Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others.\n<mapps> assembler..hm i never find decent assembler guides/references\n<an0n432O> yeah its ok\n<an0n432O> its not really used anymore is it?\n<mapps> well uhh i guess not mainstream but sometimes itd be useful\n<an0n432O> yeah\n<directhex> inline assembly is used in plenty of c projects\n<an0n432O> a happy medium between basic and assembler\n<an0n432O> there just too much maths in it\n<mapps> whats that mean directhex asm in c?!\n<directhex> mapps, yeah. C source with scraps of asm inside\n<an0n432O> c is a higher level language than assembler\n<directhex> pretty common, especially in JITters and interpreters\n<mapps> yea\n<mapps> asm is lower level of coz\n<daftykins> Myrtti: err, me? not familiar with any i'm afraid :( unless i shipped you a true 'Guernsey' :D\n<Myrtti> awwwww\n<an0n432O> its a horrible language. adding/dividing,etc in 2's,4's and eights,etc\n<mapps> ;]\n<an0n432O> using registers for everything, writing lines of code just to add up 10 and 5\n<an0n432O> evil\n<mapps> tvs so rubbish\n<an0n432O> ill stick to c and basic\n<an0n432O> yeah, do c4 or bbc ever make any new programmes?\n<mapps> rubbish ones\n<mapps> like Miranda\n<mapps> ugh\n<an0n432O> i reckon theyve gone skint cos no one pays a tv licence anymore, they just watch over the internet\n<SuperEngineer> bigcalm: just got out the bath [fwiw] - well done for the interception earlier on\n<penguin421> directhex: Although most JITs don't bother with the asm - they just spit machine code direct into memory\n<daftykins> Myrtti: oh wait you actually did mean a real Guernsey\n<daftykins> Myrtti: they're only locally made as it's a high skill job afaik\n<daftykins> there was a news item the other day about how high in demand they are, but so few people locally can make them\n<mapps> whats this?\n<daftykins> a Guernsey\n<an0n432O> could anyone here recommend a super fast, super quiet server?\n<MartijnVdS> an0n432O: a CPS somewhere\n<daftykins> any PC can be a server, depends what you want to run\n<MartijnVdS> VPS*\n<penguin421> yeh, a server somewhere else is always the quietest :-)\n<MartijnVdS> well, the host it runs on is probably *LOUD*, but you won't hear it from home ;)\n<mapps> lol\n<an0n432O> its for my room\n<an0n432O> so i need to get some sleep\n<an0n432O> i want a proper deicated server\n<an0n432O> webhosting, etc\n<MartijnVdS> an0n432O: how powerful do you want it?\n<an0n432O> sick\n<MartijnVdS> because fanless ones exist\n<an0n432O> yes thats it\n<MartijnVdS> an0n432O: http://linitx.com/product/jetway-jbc362f362600-intel-atom-16ghz-barebone-system/13607\n<MartijnVdS> an0n432O: just add an SSD and some memory\n<an0n432O> cool\n<an0n432O> how much?\n<MartijnVdS> it's an 1.6GHz atom, so it's not a speed monster.. but it should be fine for most home-server purposes\n<MartijnVdS> an0n432O: you can buy it on that site, or maybe you can find it cheaper somewhere lese\n * MartijnVdS hasn't checked\n<penguin421> an0n432O: I got an MSI C847MS motherboard and put it in an old chassis; it's a dual core 1.1GHz celeron\n<Myrtti> daftykins: well, I suppose an article like this doesn't make it any easier ;-) http://www.taloussanomat.fi/harrastukset/2014/01/26/ma-seuduilla-nailla-oon-tunnettu-kalamiesneule/20141168/139\n<penguin421> an0n432O: It's fanless, and I put it in a case with a PSU that's got a temperature controlled fan that hardly ever goes around, and with an SSD it's almost always silent\n<penguin421> an0n432O: But, in the end it's only a 1.1GHz celeron\n<brobostigon> anyone built apache wave before?\n<an0n432O> looks noisy\n<an0n432O> id like a blade server\n<SuperEngineer> while every body's on the hardware part of their brain stores... anyone know if DDR2 RAM can still be got obtained [from a *reliable* source?]\n<MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: sure\n<penguin421> an0n432O: Yeh but blade servers are normally only slightly quieter than a 747 engine\n<SuperEngineer> oooh!\n<penguin421> SuperEngineer: Yeh\n<an0n432O> no good then\n<penguin421> SuperEngineer: crucial.com has it\n<an0n432O> id rather not build one\n<MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: http://tweakers.net/categorie/545/geheugen-intern/producten/#filter:q1YqSExPDc6sSlWyMjQw0FEqKMpMTvXNzFOyAnKKC1KT3TJzSlKLipWsqpUMjc1BVFlijpJVtJKpUmxtbS0A\n<MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: ;)\n<an0n432O> that jetway looks noisy\n<MartijnVdS> an0n432O: it's fanless.\n<an0n432O> ok\n<an0n432O> cool\n * SuperEngineer checks out various links...\n<an0n432O> id like something a bit more powerful though\n<penguin421> SuperEngineer: http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listmodule/DDR2/list.html or go to their motherboard/model checker thing\n<MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: you need something like that tweakers.net/pricewatch for the UK ;)\n<daftykins> Myrtti: seriously though do you want to buy one? :>\n<Myrtti> daftykins: mabbe\n<SuperEngineer> thanks MartijnVdS\n<Myrtti> but before anything I need pizza\n<SuperEngineer> & penguin421\n * Myrtti goes to microwave\n * penguin421 reckons a gehugen-intern is RAM\n<MartijnVdS> penguin421: memory-internal\n<MartijnVdS> but it lists mostly Dutch online stores\n<penguin421> MartijnVdS: The picture was better :-)\n<penguin421> MartijnVdS: There is a sight like that which lists many EU sites - but I can't remember it's name - it had 3 or 4 UK ones on but mostly German\n<MartijnVdS> penguin421: http://uk.hardware.info/pricecomparer ?\n<SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: I *do* like the way way crucial works.... thanks a mil\n<SuperEngineer> ...though surprised at price... [£53 tax incl.]\n<SuperEngineer> [for 4GB]\n<penguin421> SuperEngineer: DDR2 is now more expensive\n<SuperEngineer> penguin421: yup... just found out! ;)\n<SuperEngineer> ... if only the \"don't waste the planet\" part of my brain would let me a new pooter :)\n<SuperEngineer> *let me buy\n<SuperEngineer> [still that + graphics card upgrade is still a cheap option.... especially as current pooter only has a prob with *1* Steam game - rest of my pooter's world is a good 1]\n<maps|work> hello\n<shauno> ugh, try buying ecc ddr2. that'll make you sadface.\n<daftykins> ECC D:\n<daftykins> madness!\n<maps|work> http://gizmodo.com/meth-in-london-heroin-in-zagreb-the-answer-is-found-i-1508209127\n<bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)\n<popey> yo\n<popey> 3283 root 20 0 8539064 5.377g 243172 S 12.9 34.6 326:31.88 Xorg\n<popey> grrr\n<diplo> Still having xorg issues then popey :(\n<maps|work> ;[\n<popey> yeah, luckily it's reproduced by others so no just me\n<popey> Seems April 5 2010 was the last time my viglen was booted\n<webpigeon> o.O\n<brobostigon> ello webpigeon\n<webpigeon> Hello brobostigon :)\n<bigcalm> popey: you got it booted, cor\n<bigcalm> popey: now what? :P\n<brobostigon> webpigeon: didnt know you hung out here, :)\n<webpigeon> brobostigon: I'm about, I just don't talk much\n<brobostigon> webpigeon: ah.\n<maps|work> ello\n<popey> bigcalm: reformat\n<bigcalm> popey: ah, and then skip?\n<popey> no, but it's not well.\n#ubuntu-uk 2015-01-19\n<diddledan> random user in #haxe thought that reinstalling their IDE would fix a compile issue with their code\n<diddledan> don't you love how windows users do that?!\n<daftykins> :D\n<daftykins> turn it off and on again!\n<diddledan> step one in diagnosis: reainstall all the things\n<diddledan> --a\n<daftykins> nuke it from orbit\n<diddledan> it's nuts\n<daftykins> weird one in #ubuntu earlier, some users getting their graphics device show up as vmware due to using that galium version or something (i don't have a clue what i'm talking about on that front)\n<daftykins> so suddenly you start thinking they're using a VM and lying to you, but newp\n<diddledan> o_O\n<diddledan> really?!\n<daftykins> *nod*\n<diddledan> it reports a vmware card even when not virutal?!\n<daftykins> hang on might still have the link\n<daftykins> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=175164\n<diddledan> that really is wonky\n<diddledan> oh. permissions. the user wasn't allowed to access the hardware\n<diddledan> this is why x starts as root on most systems\n<diddledan> donno why he was running it under a user account manually\n<diddledan> oh, that haxe user just uttered: \"I'm in the process of re installing again, even though I can see everything was installed to the right path.\"\n<diddledan> doing it _again_ because doing it once didn't work!\n<daftykins> lmao\n<daftykins> diddledan: you must share this pearl of wisdom: \"what is the definition of insanity? doing the exact same thing and expecting a different result!\"\n<diddledan> flogging a dead donky\n<diddledan> lol\n<diddledan> I suppose probability might come into it - the law of averages suggests that if he does it enough times he'll end up with shakespear\n<daftykins> but there are no monkeys?\n<diddledan> oh, good point\n<daftykins> unless.. dan! you're not being rude to users again are you? :)\n<diddledan> hmm\n<diddledan> lol\n<diddledan> me? rude? nevar!\n<daftykins> :D\n<daftykins> hmm just fed the next Sopranos bluray into my xbox\n<daftykins> i don't really trust slot loaders\n<daftykins> i remember getting one and seeing the little manual say \"no heart shaped discs\"\n<daftykins> i've never even seen one O_O\n<mapp> morning all\n<daftykins> o/\n<daftykins> just got into bed here\n<daftykins> shift change!\n<mapp> heh\n<mapp> i gotta get some sleep soon\n<mapp> flight at 2\n<daftykins> \\o/\n<daftykins> bed for me, laters \\o\n<mapp> cya mate\n<mapp> none of the other night owls upo?\n<knightwise> morning everyone\n<mapp> morn\n<knightwise> hey mapp , how are you today\n<mapp> notbad gotta get a few hrs s;ee[ on a bit\n<mapp> sleep\n<mapp> fight at 2;30;]\n<knightwise> You on your phone ?\n<mapp> nah netbook but watching tv..why because of my typos:P\n<mapp> heh\n<knightwise> yep :)\n<mapp> ;]\n<knightwise> grr , been trying to get retropi working on my raspberry pie for days now\n<knightwise> somehow it doesn't seem to recognise the controller in the game.\n<knightwise> documentation is poor , instructional video's are ancient.\n<knightwise> been puting a lot of time in it so far . Still no luck.\n<knightwise> gmblhhhh$\n<knightwise> Monday ...\n<opione> back\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<knightwise> good morning brobostigon\n<brobostigon> good morning knightwise\n<christel> morning brobostigon, knightwise :)\n<knightwise> hey christel\n<knightwise> how are you on this gloomy monday\n<christel> not too bad! could have done with an extra hour in bed! yourself? :)\n<knightwise> same :) working from home today , so I kept the PJ's on as long as possible\n<knightwise> Currently snuggle up with a book in the dark for about half an hour before I get ready for work :)\n<brobostigon> morning christel :)\n<knightwise> Me + coffee + Ebook + darkness = 30 minutes of bloss\n<knightwise> bliss\n * brobostigon points out the window, and sees bright blue skies.\n * knightwise has snow \n<brobostigon> :)\n<davmor2> Morning all\n<knightwise> hey davmor2\n<brobostigon> morning davmor2\n<knightwise> hmmm.. raspberry pi is misbehaving\n * knightwise is gonna kick it into the dmz and make it think about what its done\n<MartijnVdS> knightwise: \"it\"? a windows machine?\n<knightwise> Raspbian running pi\n<MartijnVdS> what did it do wrong\n<knightwise> retropi and my controller wont play nice\n<knightwise> documentation is crap\n<MartijnVdS> what's retropi?\n<zmoylan-pi> bad documentation... open source... you don't day :-)\n<zmoylan-pi> *say\n<MartijnVdS> some open source stuff has awesome docs\n<zmoylan-pi> those are people reading the code :-)\n<MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: have you *seen* the coreutils code? I prefer the man pages ;)\n<knightwise> I'm trying to turn it into a retro gaming machine\n<knightwise> Retropi = Raspberry pi + emulation station\n<awilkins> An emulator distro\n<awilkins> Drop ROMs and disk images into it, pow, instant gaming\n<awilkins> (for given values of \"instant\" that involve making SDCard images and SSHing files)\n<knightwise> and getting the friggin controllers working (my current issue)\n<awilkins> Are we talking something like a std. XBox / PC controller?\n<knightwise> correct . I got me a PS3 usb controller just to make it standard\n<Laney> today is will-nest-installer-keep-his-third-appointment day\n<Laney> place your bets\n<MartijnVdS> oh that sounds cool\n<MartijnVdS> Laney: maybe he has some Yodel packages to deliver first\n<Laney> SORRY YOU WERE OUT\n<MartijnVdS> \"But you installed my thermostat\" \"Yeah but you weren't in a state to accept packages\"\n<knightwise> \"in a state\" as in \"wearing pants when you opened the door ? \"\n<zmoylan-pi> wouldn't you need a kempston joystick for retro pi? :-)\n<knightwise> it would be cool zmoylan-pi\n<knightwise> http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/2634287974241518.JPG.19313260267924226\n<knightwise> I got me one of these too\n<zmoylan-pi> and if you were nekkid when they arrived to deliver a package you were technically 'out' :-P\n<MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: what if you're closeted though.. then you're never \"out\"\n<knightwise> out of the closet ?\n * knightwise is out of line\n<MartijnVdS> Out of space\n<JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Tin Can Day! :-D\n<knightwise> morning peeps\n<popey> hello again\n<knightwise> hey popey :)\n<knightwise> happy monday to you\n<zmoylan-pi> happy... monday...?\n * zmoylan-pi looks askance at knightwise \n<MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: he's Belgian. They don't know better :P\n<knightwise> zmoylan-pi: waves pink fluffy unicorn at zmoylan-pi\n * zmoylan-pi shoots unicorn with nerf and mounts head on wall\n * knightwise takes out garden hose to flood MartijnVdS 's country\n<knightwise> Fact : Some dutch cities are further below the waterline then the maximum diving depth of the first submarines :)\n<MartijnVdS> And that's why we built a system of interlocking walls, to keep back the water ;)\n<MartijnVdS> also, we check them a lot\n<zmoylan-pi> a wall that keeps water out also keeps water in\n<zmoylan-pi> they're funny that way :-)\n<MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: don't put water in then ;)\n<awilkins> Why use a garden hose when a few pounds of strategically placed dynamite will do?\n * zmoylan-pi shakes fist at clouds\n<knightwise> Dutch people are not like pot noodles\n<knightwise> don't add water to make them tasty\n<zmoylan-pi> might make them testy\n * knightwise thinks we should get off MartijnVdS 's case :)\n<knightwise> zmoylan-pi: give me back my pink fluffy unicorn head !\n<awilkins> knightwise, a quick check of Rule 34 proves you wrong as predicted\n * zmoylan-pi hands back knightwise's fluffy unicorn head on the nice wooden plaque\n<knightwise> awilkins: thanx for that :)\n<knightwise> zmoylan-pi: at least now I don't have to feed it anymore\n<zmoylan-pi> it must be hard to fund a store that stocks unicorn food\n<knightwise> Its even harder to find the rainbow-pooper-scoopers\n<zmoylan-pi> i'd have though unicorn poop sold on ebay for a bundle\n<knightwise> zmoylan-pi: my business plan .. right there !\n<knightwise> soooo weird .. but pretty soothing to listen to http://youarelistening.to/numbers\n<davmor2> JamesTait: Oh you'll never go to heaven, rpt, In a bake bean tin, rpt, cause a baked bean tin, rpt, got baked beans in, rtp :)\n<Laney> fancy that, he did turn up\n<JamesTait> davmor2, oh you'll never go to heaven in a baked bean tin, cos a baked bean tin's got baked beans in....\n<JamesTait> Lalalala\n * JamesTait hums along to himself\n<davmor2> oh.... I ain't gonna cry, I ain't gonna cry my lord, I ain't gonna cry my lord\n<mapp> buh bye\n<mapp> gotta go to the airport now\n<mapp> assuming i can get a taxi:D\n<zmoylan-pi> are they in season? :-)\n<mapp> well\n<mapp> it's hard to get one here sometimes\n<mapp> called one at the border on friday..told 5mins..never turns up!\n<zmoylan-pi> ah, you called interdimensional taxis. always on a different plane\n<MartijnVdS> *groan*\n<bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)\n<popey> moin\n<daubers> is it?\n<bashrc> morning bigcalm\n<bigcalm> It's close enough\n<daubers> I suppose monday is the morning of the week ahead\n<popey> hey, cpu people\n<popey> i know what socket my mobo has, is there a way to see what the \"best\" cpu I can put in it is?\n<MartijnVdS> popey: wikipedia has lists of CPUs by socket\n<MartijnVdS> popey: or if you're up for some parsing Dutch, tweakers.net/pricewatch -> go to the CPU (\"processoren\") category, then select the socket in the sidebar\n<MartijnVdS> that + Intel's ARK\n<popey> hmmm\n<popey> it has a sandybridge i7 2600 in it\n<popey> according to wikipedia I could go to ivy bridge\n<MartijnVdS> popey: check the mainboard manual as well, some never get the newer bios required for newer CPU support\n<popey> ah, true\n<MartijnVdS> i7-3770k is a good one.. I have its successor (4770k) and it's *FAST*\n<bigcalm> i7-4500U - don't suppose there's any point in trying to change a laptop's CPU?\n<davmor2> popey: mobo instruction book?\n<popey> haha\n<popey> no idea where that is!\n<davmor2> popey: pdf is on the mobo manufactures site\n<zmoylan-pi> get it online quicker\n<popey> yeah. dunno if it will mentioned CPUs made after the mobo tho :)\n<zmoylan-pi> just make sure you know what revision your bios is. just in case\n<davmor2> popey: it has to tell you what it supports or you can put in the wrong chip :)\n<davmor2> popey: quick look at my board in google threw up this site http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/\n<ali1234> that's a BGA package, it's almost certainly soldered\n<ali1234> i7-4500U that is\n<cocoa117> does anyone know what is the UK keyboard map for preseeding during a PXE setup?\n<cocoa117> the line \"d-i keyboard-configuration/layoutcode string uk\" seems don't work\n<davmor2> cocoa117: try EN_GB maybe?\n<cocoa117> davmor2, tried that, i thought that is locale settings\n<bigcalm> Morning intrbiz\n<intrbiz> bigcalm: morning\n<intrbiz> bigcalm: how goes the office? managed to find somewhere to park?\n<bigcalm> intrbiz: it's cold here. We've even had snow (not a lot though)\n<bigcalm> Yeah, parked at Abbey Foregate and walked in. It's fairly cheap at £2.70 for the day\n<intrbiz> bigcalm: snow today?\n<intrbiz> bigcalm: not had any snow here today, a little yesterday which didn't stick\n<bigcalm> intrbiz: considering parting up by the cinema for free, but I don't know if they enforce a time restriction\n<bigcalm> Yeah, didn't stick here as well, darn cold though\n<intrbiz> bigcalm: i've parked before at cinema / asda for a day without hassel, not sure if I'd do it regularly\n<bigcalm> I'm going to be knackered this evening\n<bigcalm> Driving straight to badminton from here. Wont be eating before. Think anybody will be up for eating afterwards?\n<intrbiz> bigcalm: i would be, depends who else shows\n<bashrc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZeUntdObCA\n<bigcalm> intrbiz: good lad :)\n<daftykins> oy vey\n<diddledan> allo daftykins\n * diddledan watching the video that bashrc posted a while ago\n<diddledan> about ipmi\n<diddledan> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZeUntdObCA)\n<popey> the mjg59 one?\n<popey> was fun. not finished it yet\n<popey> the one about OneRNG was also interesting\n<daftykins> \"i can't believe it's not VNC\" :D\n<popey> what's the canonical way to make disks sleep on linux?\n<diddledan> power button\n<diddledan> :-p\n<popey> I have 2x4 disk arrays in my server, and often they're idle for extended periods\n<popey> useful\n<diddledan> hdparm can set a timeout I believe\n<popey> ah thats it\n<diddledan> \\o/\n<diddledan> I'm awesome!\n<popey> hdparm -B /dev/sda\n<popey> APM_level = not supported\n<daftykins> i keep mine spinning 'cause my old man always told me spinning down and up induced wear 0o\n<daftykins> but then i have enterprise level disks / WD Reds now\n<SuperEngineer> This is actually very beautiful & very wise. A little gem of wisdom for download &/or wisdom. Beautiful words re being old vs being young\n<SuperEngineer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9787964/\n<daftykins> argh it's not window wrapped\n<SuperEngineer> yeah, sorry about that -download & read as text\n<daftykins> seems to prompt for login doing that\n<SuperEngineer> oh boogah! will correct it now\n<popey> right, all set to spin down after 5 mins. lets see how that works out\n<daftykins> 'tis nice that :)\n<popey> wheee, building stuff on my phone\n<daftykins> that'll be a hot potato :)\n<SuperEngineer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9788048/\n<SuperEngineer> try that\n<daftykins> huzzah!\n<popey> its surprisingly not :S\n<popey> oh, balls, only building in one core\n<popey> that was foolish\n * popey considers killing it and adding a -j4\n<popey> hah! that's mnore like it\n<SuperEngineer> popey, permission to go very off topic for a mo, please...\n<SuperEngineer> did you get FreeDOS running as a live USB?\n<popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9788067/\n<popey> yes!\n<SuperEngineer> hurumph!\n<popey> used it to update firmware on my hard drives :)\n<popey> zero effort\n<popey> http://chtaube.eu/computers/freedos/bootable-usb/\n<popey> used that\n * SuperEngineer is overcome with jealousy\n<popey> what didnt work for you?\n<SuperEngineer> ..and is now checking out that link. Thanks\n<daftykins> i've also used win98 boot files to make a bootable flash drive for DOS tools\n<SuperEngineer> I used Unetbootin.. it kept failing [on 3 machines] saying it wasn't there... even it was telling me it wasn't there\n<popey> you could fit a lot of old dos games on a 32gb usb stick\n<popey> oh no dont use that\n<popey> just dd it\n<popey> dd if=foo of=/dev/sdX\n<SuperEngineer> yeah... I definitely got the idea that it was not suitable for Unetbootin!\n<popey> could even fit windows 3.1 and loads of silly windows stuff on a stick\n * popey ponders\n<popey> could be fun\n<popey> could be fun to _install_ dos and windows on a laptop actually\n<popey> not done that for a while.\n<SuperEngineer> \"FreeDOS prebuilt bootable USB flash drive image\"... now why does that seem a more sensible option... lol\n<popey> hehe\n<davmor2> popey: dos and windows 95 or 3.11\n<SuperEngineer> will give it a go - again, thank you\n<popey> dual boot!\n<popey> windows 95 would get owned in seconds\n<popey> although with no wifi driver, might be okay :D\n * popey is tempted\n<davmor2> popey: hahaha\n<davmor2> can't connect to the internet still powned\n<popey> :)\n<MartijnVdS> wheee\n * SuperEngineer installed an old out of support XFCE [Werewolf] derivative on old netbook yesterday. No wifi needed for intended purpose, so safe, so fast :)\n<MartijnVdS> I was kind of rich for an hour there\n<popey> oh?\n<MartijnVdS> popey: borrowed some money, buying a garage in my appartment building. Money's in escrow now.\n<MartijnVdS> apartment? Dutch uses 2 p's there. We're weird.\n<SuperEngineer> popey, SuperEngineer now has bootable FreeDOS US. Thank you.\n<SuperEngineer> *USB\n<popey> huzzah!\n<popey> fill it with stuff!\n<MartijnVdS> DOS stuff?\n<SuperEngineer> will do!\n<MartijnVdS> WordPerfect 5.1?\n<MartijnVdS> Norton Commander?\n<SuperEngineer> yeasssss - norton Commander!\n * SuperEngineer into timewarp of real Peter Norton, forgets symantec [ooooo - so pleasant!]\n<zmoylan-pi> laplink3 for serial cable transfers\n<SuperEngineer> considering Sidekick now\n<zmoylan-pi> pkzip 2.04g\n<MartijnVdS> ooh yeah\n<MartijnVdS> Telix!\n<zmoylan-pi> i probably have a copy here if i look :-)\n<zmoylan-pi> dbase iii+\n<zmoylan-pi> lotus 123\n<MartijnVdS> ooh yes\n<zmoylan-pi> qbasic\n<MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: nah the full suite - quickbasic 4.5\n<zmoylan-pi> oooh, then qbx 7.1\n<MartijnVdS> \"Last stable release: 4.5 - 1988 - 27 years ago\"\n<MartijnVdS> thanks wikipedia. Now I feel old\n<zmoylan-pi> they moved to qbx quick basic extended after that\n<SuperEngineer> ...that was also my last stable \"release\" - proud to say I've never been stable since! :D\n<MartijnVdS> 8-)\n * MartijnVdS stables SuperEngineer \n<SuperEngineer> :)\n<SuperEngineer> never thought typing \"dir c:\" & \"dir a:\" could make a person so happy\n<zmoylan-pi> there\n<zmoylan-pi> 's a dos web browser iirc\n<zmoylan-pi> archne?\n<diddledan> windows95/dos : cd progra~1\n<diddledan> arachne?\n<diddledan> as in arachnid, spider, web\n<zmoylan-pi> think so, i used it in 90s to get 286 on the web\n<zmoylan-pi> let me look...\n<zmoylan-pi> still going... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachne_(web_browser)\n<SuperEngineer> ...hmmm just tried typing dir staights: :)\n<SuperEngineer> *straights\n<zmoylan-pi> took 15 minutes to render slashdot page, not bad on 14,400 modem and 286 with 640k ram\n<diddledan> zmoylan-pi: try again in a vm :-D\n<diddledan> zmoylan-pi: on an octocore 16GB RAMS uberbeast\n<zmoylan-pi> nah this was a proper 286 with b&w vga card. so even if you plugged in colour monitor you got b&w image :-)\n<diddledan> aye, load the same page on a monster and measure the difference :-p\n<SuperEngineer> Where do I file a FreeDOS bug: need to file a report \"FreeDOS has just caused me to book next weekend for digging out my old DOS disks\" ;)\n<popey> \\o/ disk spindown working\n<popey> took 30s to ls a directory \\o/\n<SuperEngineer> time to go eat - thanks for the help folks [he says sneaking FreeDOS USB into pocket] ;)\n<zmoylan-pi> freedos on usb... just to annoy the nsa and their automatic tools :-)\n<shauno> bah. you know it's too cold to type when bash complains it can't find 'fimd' or 'greg'\n<diddledan> I hate greg\n<diddledan> he's an evil SOB\n<shauno> I have no heating and it's been quite chilly lately. of course, my response has been to stick an arduino in the kitchen to keep track of how cold :)\n<lopta> I just got into a conversation with one of the young chaps at work. Had to explain to him all about the Domesday Project.\n<zmoylan-pi> why do you have no heating?\n<diddledan> heating ftw\n<daftykins> ^\n<daftykins> got down to between 4 and 6 deg C here, house dips to ~12 and becomes pretty nasty\n<daftykins> last night i took the wireless thermostat up to the bedroom so i could fire it up before getting out XD\n<daftykins> i can't use a program because i'm too inconsistent\n<diddledan> teehee\n<diddledan> I should put some socks on - naked feet causes heatloss\n<daftykins> indeed!\n<daftykins> ugh, another monday game night ruined due to Microsoft\n<diddledan> grr\n<daftykins> they can't keep their damned online services up for 5 minutes\n<diddledan> what did they do this time?\n<diddledan> aah\n<diddledan> their online services aren't\n<daftykins> basically i can play games but my friends list doesn't work, so i can't actually play them with my two pals\n<shauno> zmoylan-pi: because oil heating is normal here, and oil heating means that lazy people don't know they're running out until they run out\n<diddledan> \\o/\n<daftykins> =]\n<daftykins> good times\n<shauno> it was 5.2 degrees when I woke up. 5.2 *indoors*\n<diddledan> ouch\n<daftykins> O_O\n<daftykins> foreigheit or centius? :>\n<shauno> lol. degrees Censible, not degrees Freedom\n<daftykins> good lawd\n<daftykins> i thought my place had no insulation\n<shauno> well, it's better than last winter. I got my kitchen window fixed so it closes :)\n<diddledan> lol\n<daftykins> D:\n<diddledan> small steps\n<daftykins> you gotta go to work to warm up\n<shauno> I just shut myself in the living room with the fireplace\n<shauno> the rest of the house is a barren wasteland\n<zmoylan-pi> current external temp 1c here\n<zmoylan-pi> about 14c internally, usually have a clock with temp on it but it's grown legs at some point\n * zmoylan-pi imagines shauno with a barrel with open fire in it in his room for some reason :-)\n<diddledan> I'm not sure an underpass counts as \"his room\"\n<m0nkey_> lol\n<zmoylan-pi> as long as he has proper fingerless gloves and bobble hat he'll be grand\n#ubuntu-uk 2015-01-20\n<maps> yo\n<maps> ;]\n<daftykins> 'lo\n<mapps> hey dude\n<mapps> so my nexus7 issue looks to have been simply a case of the oplug borked\n<mapps> using my dads nexus7 plug i guess any plug with usb would work but its chargin\n<mapps> ;]\n<daftykins> they vary a lot in amp ratings these days\n<mapps> o\n<mapps> i thought all can be used for any device..they donmt even give you the plug most times..just the USB cable\n<daftykins> chap i know is insistent on keeping around all these rubbish old 500mA ones, when most devices want 1.2-2.1A\n<mapps> what were the 500mA ones used for\n<daftykins> earlier smartphones\n<mapps> o\n<daftykins> actually i might be thinking of USB spec there, definitely seen 800mA - 1A though\n<shauno> 500mA used to be the usb standard, so wall-warts were built for 500 because why would you want anything else?\n<ali1234> i was playing around with an old nicad charger earlier... 60mA trickle charging\n<mapps> hm i got a motorola moto g dual sim phone so i could use ee and gib tel both nano sims..the guide says not to use sim adapters..id planned on using nano -> micro adapters..motoraol site says any damage through using adapters is your own fault --- so guess thats why\n<mapps> and hopefully it would work?\n<ali1234> of course it will work\n<daftykins> ali1234: haha, weren't all the batteries dead?\n<mapps> ;D\n<mapps> thought so\n<ali1234> the worst that will happen is it might get stuck in the slot\n<ali1234> then just remove it carefully ie don't jam a screwdriver in it\n<mapps> yea\n<ali1234> daftykins: that's what i'm trying to figure out\n<daftykins> huzzah!\n<ali1234> nicads only wear out through use though, afaik\n<ali1234> unlike lithium batteries\n<shauno> usually what they actually mean by that is that they don't support it. if there's any odd behaviour they'll blame your adaptor first\n<shauno> (I mean, they're literally plastic shims. it's hard to go wrong, and if you do, it's your fault)\n<mapps> anyone recommend some good linux like magazine ..read a few of fullcirclemagazine and follow urban penguin video guides..nothing in particular just general\n<mapps> ugh feel like hayfever's coming on\n<mapps> but surely not..not tyhe right season for it\n<diddledan> flu\n<mapps> nah it happenms everytime i go to my dads\n<mapps> he reckons its the grass..but seems unlikely]\n<diddledan> he smokes grass? :-p\n<mapps> no:P\n<mapps> the grass in the garden heh\n * diddledan trollin\n<mapps> ;]\n<mapps> 2 broke girls..state of affairs then a few hrs sleep probably\n<diddledan> I'm watching leverage\n<mapps> what ep?\n<mapps> i got a bit fedup with leverage tbh\n<diddledan> I'm up to s1e11 - the juror job\n<mapps> In the year 2043, 93.6% has been wiped out by a virus released by \"Army of the Twelve Monkeys\". James Cole uses a dangerous and untested form of time travel to return to 2015 in an effort to change the fate of the human race. With the help of Cassandra Railly, a virologist, and Jennifer Goines, a math genius with mental issues, Cole will attempt to track down and destroy the source of the\n<mapps> deadly virus.\n<mapps> hm\n<mapps> what to do]\n<diddledan> mapps: was it you asking about linux mags? I subscribe to \"linux voice\" which started off the back of a kickstarter-esque drive to fund their first year's cycle - they're just entering their second year now. it's the former editorial team that left linux format a while ago\n<mapps> ye\n<mapps> REMEMBER hearing of that..any good?\n<diddledan> they are, yeah - plus their appeal to foss freedoms\n<diddledan> they release their articles within 9 months under creative commons licenses\n<mapps> cool\n<mapps> still not got my nexus7 to turn on..using a diff charger and the backlight comes on..sio id assume its charging? but cant get it to turn on..tried hard reset..power and vol +_\n<diddledan> grr\n<mapps> i remember reading it takes hours to charge up after a nexus7 is drained down to 0\n<mapps> but my other charger mnusn';t be workming tried it with my moto g phone..doesnt charge, using my dads nexus7 charger it does...but yea still nothing\n<mapps> dunno whether to keep trying hard reset or leave it plugged in fora few more hours?\n<diddledan> try holding volume up and down along with power button for about 30 seconds\n<mapps> vol down? thought only vol up does anything?\n<diddledan> both volume up and down\n<diddledan> together\n<mapps> loadsa posts about this issue eh]\n<mapps> people say about the battery and connectors coming lose..but surely if that was the case when i plug the charger in the backlight wouldnt come on?\n<diddledan> yeah, I _think_ that the battery is probably a requirement for any power to work\n<mapps> yea but i mean would it come on just due to mains\n<mapps> the backjlight?\n<knightwise> morning everyone :)\n<diddledan> allo\n<Myrtti_> time of day\n<diddledan> Myrtti: bedtime?\n<Myrtti> nah, crochet time\n<bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)\n<diddledan> m00\n<JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cheese Lovers Day! :-D\n<diddledan> cheese, gromit?\n<brobostigon> good morning boys and girls.\n<bigcalm> !ping\n<lubotu3> pong!\n<popey> yo\n<MartijnVdS> yoyo\n<popey> ahhh, so nice having disks spin down in my server\n<popey> loving it\n<popey> 30s spin up is less fun :)\n<MartijnVdS> popey: doesn't that decrease their lifespan though? if you stop/start them a lot?\n<popey> define \" a lot \"\n<MartijnVdS> several times an hour?\n<popey> its not that often\n<popey> once every 6 hours if I dont use the server\n<MartijnVdS> sounds reasonable enough :)\n<popey> well, one set of disks wakes every 6 hours to do a backup\n<popey> the other set of disks wakes up once a day to update databases and stuff\n<popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9793465/\n<popey> they look like that a _lot_\n<MartijnVdS> what do you use them for?\n<popey> one set of 4 is for rsnapshot backups\n<popey> of laptop, VPSs, desktop, phone :)\n<popey> the other is a set of 4 as a dumping ground for stuff that i can easily re-get\n<popey> e.g. downloaded stuff like music\n<popey> i destroyed my 12 disk btrfs volume after some of it got corrupted :(\n<MartijnVdS> :( did you figure out the reason for the SATA errors btw?\n<popey> yeah, i think it's the array\n<popey> have taken that out\n<diddledan> :-(\n<davmor2> JamesTait: I missed todays announcement but black bomber ftw \\o/\n<JamesTait> davmor2, happy Cheese Lovers' Day. :)\n<davmor2> JamesTait: hence the black bomber comment :)\n<bashrc> black bomber?\n<davmor2> bashrc: look it up\n<DJones> Heh, there's a major new bridge being built near me across the mersey, just hope it doesn't join to the rest of the road network like this one http://bit.ly/1ztrL8a\n<DJones> Although the kids would love it in snowy weather\n<zmoylan-pi> wow a bridge that was designed to hate cyclists :-)\n<DJones> They'd be ok coming down....\n<zmoylan-pi> unless there's frost on the ground...\n<davmor2> bashrc: http://www.snowdoniacheese.co.uk/cheese/black-bomber/ one of the best mature Cheddars about\n<bashrc> never heard of it\n<popey> mmmmm cheese\n<popey> http://drool.popey.com\n<zmoylan-pi> how many types of cheeses are there again? :-)\n<diddledan> DJones: err, wtf? is that real?\n<DJones> diddledan: Yep, The Sanpo Bridge\n<davmor2> zmoylan-pi: 4 solid, speadable, cottage and cream\n<diddledan> wow\n<DJones> Looks like its got a cyclepath up the side :)\n<zmoylan-pi> blessed are the cheesemakers...\n<davmor2> He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy\n<zmoylan-pi> i feel a rewatching of the sacred movie is in order...\n<diddledan> davmor2:!!\n<diddledan> davmor2: all hail brain\n<davmor2> zmoylan-pi: the princess bride?\n<zmoylan-pi> now leaning towards double feature\n<diddledan> lol\n<diddledan> you're all different. you're all individuals. (I'm not!)\n<davmor2> zmoylan-pi: oh you meant the holy grail\n<zmoylan-pi> nobody, and i repeat nobody is to throw anything until i blow this whistle\n<davmor2> right who was that?\n<diddledan> zmoylan-pi: you're a pervert\n<zmoylan-pi> well he did say jehovah...\n<diddledan> any women present?\n<davmor2> stone him\n<zmoylan-pi> welease woger\n<diddledan> woger the cabin boty\n<diddledan> boy*\n<Azelphur> haha wow, #freenode is a mess atm, so much spam and trolls in there xD\n<davmor2> Azelphur: stop joining so many channels then\n<Azelphur> never :P\n<davmor2> Azelphur: well stop spamming them then ;)\n<zmoylan-pi> you could monitor that channel for ips to block so\n<Azelphur> haha\n<Azelphur> in other news the drivers for my fingerprint scanner on my new laptop work great, as long as you only want to do one scan :P\n<Azelphur> and...the thing to enroll your fingerprint wants to scan your finger 5 times\n<Azelphur> :<\n * zmoylan-pi scribbles note to bring knife if i want to nick Azelphur's laptop :-P\n<Azelphur> well, you can't, since I can't train the laptop to recognise my print haha\n<zmoylan-pi> i'll bring it just in case\n * zmoylan-pi also brings the soundtrack for reservoir dogs to pass time\n<Azelphur> hehe\n<shauno> is there a way to export the build config for your running kernel?\n<shauno> (other than /proc/kconfig, since distros don't seem to use this option)\n<diddledan> shauno: is it not in /boot?\n<diddledan> (I haven't checked but that used to be a common place to store it\n<diddledan> )\n<diddledan> shauno: I have /boot/config-3.16.0-25-generic\n<shauno> oh aye, that looks just the ticket, cheers\n<diddledan> I assume that's done via the debian packaging thing\n<diddledan> rather than necessarily being standard\n<diddledan> so building your own kernel won't replicate unless you either do it yourself or create a .deb\n<SuperEngineer> Anyone hrard of this company, or know of a better option for replacement batteries? http://www.ukbatteryfast.co.uk/acer-aspire-one-aoa150-battery-p-852\n<popey> i bought one on ebay a while back\n<popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/power_biz from that vendor\n<diddledan> I just heard what has to be almost the worst thing ever: someone wants to eat an after-eight at 2pm!\n<SuperEngineer> thanks popey\n<shauno> oh this is gonna get messy. trying to just grab 3.17 from sid, but it wants to bring a new version of gcc with it ..\n<popey> http://steamleft.com/span/76561198026048912\n<popey> \"It would take you...\n<popey> 2187 continuous hours\n<popey> 91 days,3 hours,49 minutes\n<diddledan> shauno: awesome!\n<popey> of gameplay to complete your Steam library\"\n<popey> oops\n<popey> sorry\n<ali1234> how is that calculated?\n<diddledan> popey: see you in three months\n<popey> no idea\n<ali1234> how many games do you have?\n<diddledan> ali1234: all of them\n<diddledan> :-p\n<popey> not many\n<ali1234> about 150 to 200 right?\n<popey> 206\n<ali1234> so that's 10 hours per game\n * popey notes 218 hours clocked up in one gane\n<popey> *game\n<popey> not doing this right!\n<ali1234> data on games from http://howlongtobeat.com/ apparently\n<popey> 47 hours on LA Noire#\n<ali1234> i'd say about 90% of the games i have are rubbish anyway, possibly more\n<MartijnVdS> yeah lots of them are\n<ali1234> 233 total games, 168 for linux, 25 that i consider \"good\", and about 50 that i want to play but they either don't work or aren't ported yet\n<MartijnVdS> I've been gaming on my Windows machine.. yay Elite: Dangerous :)\n<shauno> man, this is gonna totally send me into 'grumpy old man' mode. yes|make oldconfig doesn't work anymore :(\n<ali1234> does anyone else think ubuntu and linux are totally inappropriate for use in robotics?\n<bashrc> not at all\n<bashrc> a few years ago I used ubuntu extensively for robotics\n<zmoylan-pi> gives you a fighting chance if the robot goes rogue :-)\n<ali1234> how did you get around the slow interrupt handling and lack of real-time?\n<bashrc> In my case I wasn't needing deterministic tasking\n<bashrc> I used ROS\n<ali1234> also, does anyone else think they're completely inappropriate for IoT as well?\n<ali1234> is there any hardware that can run ubuntu and uses less than 0.001W?\n<MartijnVdS> 0.001W? that's not a lot\n<zmoylan-pi> devices are getting smaller all the time... http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/mousebox-is-a-computer-in-a-mouse-the-next-evolution-of-the-pc-30922506.html\n<ali1234> it's what you need for IoT if you don't want to be carrying around a huge battery\n<MartijnVdS> ali1234: my Hue Tap doesn't even have a battery :)\n<ali1234> mirocontrollers designed for IoT are typically 200 micro amps per MHz\n<MartijnVdS> ali1234: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/08/gallery-dissecting-the-philips-hue-tap-wireless-battery-less-controller/\n<ali1234> there's no need for anything more\n<ali1234> right, that uses such little power it can work from the energy of button pushes\n<MartijnVdS> exactly\n<shauno> most the things that are advertising 2-3 year battery life don't require an OS in the first place\n<ali1234> IoT devices that need replacement batteries or have to be charged every day are just going to end up gathering dust in a cupboard\n<ali1234> and that definitely includes anything running linux\n<MartijnVdS> unless it can super-suspend somehow and only use power when required\n<MartijnVdS> but not a lot of things do that\n<ali1234> even if you have things that are plugged in like lightbulbs... well, okay\n<ali1234> let's say you put an ubuntu computer into every lightbulb in your house\n<ali1234> that's going to cost you £10 per year per lightbulb in electricity just because of how power hungry linux is\n<shauno> these are things you wouldn't use linux for in the first place though\n<ali1234> you'd think that\n * zmoylan-pi looks at all the rasp pi projects out there :-)\n<ali1234> http://www.ubuntu.com/things\n<shauno> hah\n<MartijnVdS> ali1234: on the cloud-side of IoT I would probably run Ubuntu though.. the bit all the devices talk to\n<ali1234> it's almost as if someone is just desperately trying to jump on every bandwagon without considering any of the technical details at all\n<shauno> I noticed a project recently where a guy had done a rather well-finished build with an rpi making an 'internet radio'\n<shauno> watching him stare at it for 2 minutes while it sat doing SFA while it booted, was excruciating\n<shauno> \"simply put the SD card in your Beaglebone, power it on, wait 1-2 minutes and your snappy system\" nope. fial.\n<shauno> *fail heh\n<ali1234> http://spritesmods.com/?art=clockradio&page=1\n<zmoylan-pi> if he put the finished project in an old valve radio case it would be appropriate :-)\n<zmoylan-pi> 'takes a while for the wireless to warm up', my father words explaining the old valve radio he got as wedding present\n<knightwise> ali1234: shauno are you guys talking about pi-musicbox ?\n<ali1234> no\n<knightwise> I played with that , its pretty good and might be a good solution if you want to stream internet radio, spotify AND music from your NAs\n<zmoylan-pi> can't you do that on your phone?\n<shauno> I was more commenting that it shouldn't take 2 minutes to boot a radio\n * zmoylan-pi who grew up with valve radios isn't too pushed by that :-)\n<shauno> well, we shouldn't be aiming to emulate the 1930s\n<zmoylan-pi> good things come to those who wait :-)\n<shauno> nah\n<shauno> good things come to those who buy into a closed ecosystem, because open suffers from very low standards ;)\n<zmoylan-pi> i have noticed a few people complain about the amount of time it takes a smart tv to boot\n<knightwise> the whole point of the rasp is that you let it run in the background\n<shauno> the whole point of the pi is to get a cheap computer into schools\n<shauno> it's not really suited for most the tasks we're putting it to. eg, it has absolutely no power management at all\n<zmoylan-pi> there are after market boards that can assist with that\n<shauno> there's boards that'll add a soft shutdown. there's not a way to add, eg, a sleep state\n<ali1234> the raspberry pi is really terrible hardware in almost every way\n<ali1234> it's in the awkward position where it is neither efficient nor powerful\n<zmoylan-pi> cheap, powerful, flexible. pick one\n<ali1234> at this point the raspberry pi is none of these things\n<zmoylan-pi> well that's moores law... :-)\n<ali1234> most people use it like a more expensive arduino\n<zmoylan-pi> it's an arduino that doesn't need to be connected to a pc to program\n<ali1234> so it's an arduino?\n<zmoylan-pi> less flexible than an arduino\n<ali1234> it would be more accurate to say it's like an arduino with a PC permanently connected to it using power\n<ali1234> a PC from 1993 though\n<zmoylan-pi> no pc i had in 93 did usb or wireless :-)\n<ali1234> the raspberry pi doesn't do wireless\n<zmoylan-pi> does when i plug in wireless adapter\n<ali1234> and it does USB about as well as a PC from 1997\n<shauno> my amiga does wireless if you plug in a wireless adapter\n<zmoylan-pi> well... an amiga...\n<zmoylan-pi> one season of babylon 5 can't be wrong :-)\n<knightwise> Lol\n<zmoylan-pi> the pi is a compromise. and fairly good one. it's captured the mind share of people who ignored all the better single board computers that were already out there\n<ali1234> yes, entirely through marketing\n<ali1234> it's basically captured the market for people who want to pretend they are computer programmers without learning anything\n<ali1234> ie the market previously served by arduino\n<zmoylan-pi> same as 8bit computers in 80s so. but a lot of programmers did start on those systems\n<ali1234> and before arduino that market was served by those books where you had to type in the program onto your BBC or C64\n<zmoylan-pi> i had a spectrum you insensitive clod :-)\n<ali1234> lol\n<zmoylan-pi> and i spent days typing in some listings. and i learned from it\n<ali1234> what did you learn?\n<zmoylan-pi> 1) where the buttons where 2) not to make typos 3) what the flip syntax error was 4) to code\n<zmoylan-pi> and save often to tape\n<awilkins_> Spectrum 128 +2 was so much more productive\n<awilkins_> i) Semi-decent keyboard\n<awilkins_> ii) A BASIC mode that didn't use the stupid keycap token thing\n<awilkins_> You could type \"LOAD\" instead of J\n<zmoylan-pi> the renumber option for code in the editor\n * popey <3 his +2\n<awilkins_> The reason Pi doesn't have the same impact as the home micros of back then is because it's trying to replicate the same experience\n<awilkins_> You can't, because YouTube\n<zmoylan-pi> i didn't like the non standard joystick ports though\n<awilkins_> And every other source of always-on instant gratification over the network\n<popey> yeah, those sinclair joysticks were terrible\n<zmoylan-pi> they've sold 4 million pis. if that's failure...\n * popey loved his Konix Speed King\n<awilkins_> I had a Powerplay Cruiser with 2 plugs, one for Sinclair socket\n<shauno> hah, I have one of those for the amiga (the konix)\n<awilkins_> <3 Powerplay Cruiser\n<awilkins_> Never liked the Konix, game me blisters\n<zmoylan-pi> i had cheetah 125+ joysticks for +2. i ended up using keyboard all the time\n<popey> I used to get great scores on Hyper Sports with it\n<daftykins> is that J loading thing why i keep seeing people post messages and end it with a single line of 'J' online? i think it's J anyway\n<popey> it was good for races, left-right-left-right was easy with very little movement\n<awilkins_> \"J\" was the key with \"LOAD\" on it\n<popey> J pp\n<awilkins_> Spectrum used to expand single keypresses (and combos) into BASIC tokens\n<zmoylan-pi> j symbol shift p twice\n<shauno> and I'm not saying the pi is a failure. I'm saying linux isn't the answer to everything. especially when they want to shove a generalized distro on there. the more generic you try to make it, the less suited it is for embedded use\n<awilkins_> Yeah, those old computers just used to boot straight into a BASIC environment\n<zmoylan-pi> and that's why there's so many distros to run on the pi including risc os from bbc archimedes :-)\n<awilkins_> But the point about instant gratification still holds\n<zmoylan-pi> programmers are different, we will work for days to make something that saves us 5 minutes in the future if we feel it's worth it\n<shauno> it's not just gratification. I was mostly referencing to the 'internet of things' stuff we were talking about before. 2 minutes for my laptop to boot is acceptable. 2 minutes for my lightbulb to boot isn't\n<daftykins> hehe\n * zmoylan-pi has cfl light bulbs that 2-3 mins to warm up. i pointed it out recently that it's better at night as it's not instant bright light hurting your eyes :-)\n<daftykins> true that, takes ages to get bright in my bedroom though\n<daftykins> what if i sat on the cat accidentally!?\n<zmoylan-pi> the cat would let me know\n<daftykins> via telegram? :D\n<daftykins> \"urgent telegram for zmoylan-pi from dafty's cat!\"\n<zmoylan-pi> the worlds most one sided game of x's and o's :-)\n<popey> Myrtti: how often do you \"remove all channels\" in irssinotifier\n<popey> ?\n<Myrtti> popey: I don't get highlighted often, so not a lot, especially now that I'm not in most Ubuntu channels I used to frequent and thus don't get hilights\n<Myrtti> and even then I've configured it to alert only when I'm away\n<popey> ok\n<camason> hi guys. Just booted up an old 13.04 install - trying to update and upgrade, but apt is showing a bunch of 404 errors against security.ubuntu.com raring-security\n<camason> any pointers?\n<popey> it will do\n<popey> 13.04 is out of support\n<awilkins_> 404 is because the files are not there anymore!\n<camason> makes sense\n<popey> disable the security repo in system settings and upgrade it\n<popey> or reinstall, whatever\n<awilkins_> From memory there's a \"old stuff\" repo?\n<awilkins_> Not sure how much it has in it\n<popey> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/\n<popey> s/stuff/releases/\n<awilkins_> Last time I looked was for my very very old MythTV box\n<awilkins_> I do wonder if the new builds will actually perform better on the hardware\n<awilkins_> Since they redid it all in Qt4\n<awilkins_> For that kind of gap I'd probably back up my /home and reinstall / restore (to a subfolder)\n<camason> I imagine it would be easier now If I just purge this install and start again?\n<daftykins> camason: yeah backup and clean install of 14.04.1 would make far more sense and be time effective\n<mapps> hhi all\n<camason> ok I'll do that. I'll burn 14.04 to the CD as that's still working\n<daftykins> *DVD\n<daftykins> 14.04.1 ;)\n<camason> I was too lazy to type dvd\n<daftykins> hah\n<camason> crazy year for work... thought I'd actually boot my gaming PC to have a session, only to remember that the Windows 7 install was fubar, and ubuntu was on an old non-lts release\n<daftykins> camason: if it were still before Christmas we could get you a flash drive to install from\n<camason> eh?\n<daftykins> as a present\n<camason> nice\n<camason> typical tonight I left all my USB drives at the office\n<camason> I need to do it anyway... TF2 just isn't the same on a Mac\n<daftykins> heh\n<camason> I have a GTX 780 in there I've never used. Been sat there for a year\n<camason> is there a tl:dr anywhere on what's changed in ubuntu since 2013?\n<mapps> ]brrr\n<daftykins> pass.\n<mapps> this weather sucks\n<mapps> i can go to work in shorts and tshirt most days back in gib\n<camason> yeah it sucks a lot. Riding a motorcycle in it is terrible\n<mapps> here im cold:((\n<mapps> never need a coat there..hjere do\n<mapps> sent a text to my boss saying im staying perm\n<mapps> ;D\n<daftykins> XD\n<daftykins> it's down to 5 deg C here on Guernsey atm\n<mapps> said id decide by 19th jan when i went back to uk]\n<mapps> Gibraltar\n<mapps> Tuesday 20:00\n<mapps> Mostly Cloudy\n<mapps> undefined\n<mapps> 9°C | °F\n<mapps> Precipitation: 5%\n<mapps> Humidity: 93%\n<mapps> Wind: 6 mph\n<mapps> TemperaturePrecipitationWind\n<mapps> and thats 'cold' for them\n<mapps> never seen it really cold..sometim,es strongish winds from the sea but thats it\n<daftykins> yeah coastal can be a bit blargh\n<mapps> daddy's fixing my iphone screen atm:DDD\n<mapps> and its rained maybe 3-4x since ive been there 4 months\n<daftykins> nasty fruity tech :P\n<mapps> but besides that all good\n<mapps> im getting paid a good wage for being there 8% rise..rent allowance and 2 free flights to uk each year\n<mapps> if i come back to uk..same job but none of that\n<daftykins> 8D\n<daftykins> sounded like you said the place is a bit of a dive though?\n<mapps> hmm\n<mapps> not dive\n<mapps> dead\n<mapps> true\n<mapps> because people only go out fridays..so rest of the week it's very quiet..relaxed..like a retirement/ghost town\n<mapps> no bars/pubs open past 11pm place is EMPTY\n<mapps> but there's also virtually no crime..everyone woiuld know who it is hey..it's so small\n<mapps> and better weather]\n<daftykins> i quite fancy a curry tonight, but there's a heavy downpour right now\n<daftykins> i wouldn't even fancy walking the 60m to my local ;)\n<mapps> no home del?\n<daftykins> well i genuinely am 60m from their door, so i wouldn't try to be so cheeky\n<daftykins> i also take the carrier bag back in from the last time, to recycle :>\n<mapps> ;]\n<daftykins> new stuff look inside it and see nothing, look puzzled for a moment, then realise what i'm going on about :>\n<brobostigon> any ideas why, messages from a contact in bitlbee, would show in the control channel, insted of in a seperate window for said contact?\n<popey> a bug?\n<brobostigon> messages from all my other contacts show in seperate windows as they are meant to, except for from one specific contact.\n<popey> http://imgur.com/z5jwkis :)\n<daftykins> \\o/\n<mjayk> o/\n<daftykins> hi\n<mjayk> hayhay\n#ubuntu-uk 2015-01-21\n<mapps> hm\n<mapps> quite a few eps behind on the flash now\n<mapps> grmpf\n<mapps> ;]\n<mapps> 2 eps left of flash\n * zmoylan-pi puts on father ted\n<mapps> ;]\n<mapps> im thinkingof watching either life after beth or guardians of the galaxy next\n * zmoylan-pi wonders what superduper features we can expect from windows 10\n<lemap> hm win10]\n<lemap> win8 sucks enough...some reason my cursor just gets stuck randomly...everythung else will be working fine\n<zmoylan-pi> it used to be odd numbers of windows were the good ones but 2 even numbers in a row will throw that off\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<Myrtti> you know, it would be great if on Amazon Marketplace shops it would say in cat sized letters which country the goods are shipped from\n<Myrtti> Business Name: ULTRA TOP, Business Address: Leicester. Ships from: HONG DAMNIT KONG\n<diddledan> morning\n<knightwise> hey diddledan\n<knightwise> how are you man\n<diddledan> awake\n<diddledan> :-(\n<diddledan> :-p\n * knightwise has been playing around with crouton on the chromebook \n<knightwise> a vain effort to get audio working\n<knightwise> although ... mumble seems to behave no\n<knightwise> w\n<davmor2> Morning all\n<knightwise> hey davmor2\n<davmor2> popey: ubrick scope is fun\n<JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Hugging Day! :-D\n<zmoylan-pi> during flu season... what genius thought that one up? :-)\n<knightwise> JamesTait: hugging day ?\n<knightwise> Why don't I work in a modeling agency or something\n<JamesTait> Probably someone in the Southern hemisphere, zmoylan-pi. ;)\n<zmoylan-pi> a face that looked like it was on fire and someone put it out with a shovel knightwise? :-P\n<knightwise> zmoylan-pi: you flatter me\n<knightwise> maybe I have the body of a swimsuit model ?\n<zmoylan-pi> missed a word... steam shovel\n<JamesTait> I'm home alone, knightwise. Apart from the cats. I could hug them.\n<zmoylan-pi> hugging cats, isn't that an extreme sport?\n<JamesTait> But it could make tomorrow awkward: Answer Your Cat's Questions Day.\n<diddledan> knightwise, I've got the body of a swimsuit model. it is just hidden behind a bearish exteriour\n<knightwise> diddledan: grizly bear or pooh-bear\n<diddledan> knightwise, either?\n<diddledan> :-p\n * DJones hands diddledan Borat's mankini\n * DJones hands the rest of the channel some eye bleach\n * knightwise runs away screaming\n<diddledan> teehee\n * knightwise pokes eyes out with old rusty ISA-cards\n * zmoylan-pi passes around forks or chopsticks for channel to use to poke their eyes out hygenically\n * knightwise stops licking used toilet seats to say 'thank you'\n<DJones> A couple fo years back, we were at a family news eve party & my wifes cousin turned up at the door (from the pub) dressed in one of those, I've never heard female aged relatives scream so much\n<zmoylan-pi> wait till the year he forgets to wear it?\n * JamesTait shudders\n<davmor2> man JamesTait went with hug day so it sounds like people like him, I mean how does /me throws hugs at JamesTait sound the slightest bit scary :D /me throws bears at JamesTait to hug him\n<JamesTait> davmor2, I was tempted by Squirrel Appreciation Day.\n<mapps> hm\n<mapps> nadal gonna be out of the aus o already\n * zmoylan-pi continues plans to raise a squirrel army\n<mapps> O_o\n * davmor2 coats JamesTait and acorns and throws squirrels at him\n * zmoylan-pi stuffs JamesTait in barrel and tops it off with angry squirrels before nailing on lid\n * DJones sets the Animal Liberation Front onto zmoylan-pi \n * zmoylan-pi prepares a second barrel for alf. gets the rottweilers ready to top of barrel\n * JamesTait wonders who alf is.\n<zmoylan-pi> animal liberation front\n * JamesTait throws a shift key at zmoylan-pi. ;)\n<DJones> There's only one ALF\n<DJones> https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQgmtXvRPhPbzO_zg1vDoCLBBceOxZcRLio2RxxqLsL8IBJx02a\n * zmoylan-pi is shifty enough >_>\n<czajkowski> aloha\n<czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: hows the weather over there ?\n<zmoylan-pi> snow receding so no time for you to be travelling as no transport would be cancelled :-)\n<czajkowski> I may have broken my curse of travelling to .ie I managed to get there this christmas with no delays!\n<czajkowski> none!\n<zmoylan-pi> it's a trap luring you into making bolder plans...\n<diddledan> I've seen people typing using the capslock key to get sentence case - i.e. the initial cap of a sentence\n<diddledan> *capslock, a, capslock, rest-of-sentence*\n<JamesTait> diddledan, my eldest son is one such person. :-/\n<diddledan> I wonder if they do ALF as *capslock, a, capslock, capslock, l, capslock, capslock, f, capslock*\n<diddledan> that would mess with my head\n<czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: no more travel plans for the future for a while, bought a house so planning the big move\n * czajkowski firmly cements her roots in Surrey \n * zmoylan-pi would love to see neighbours faces when they see chickens been brought in... :-P\n<zmoylan-pi> my uncle who kept pigeons AND chickens got a few looks when he moved\n<czajkowski> yeah...\n<czajkowski> shall move them in under the cover of night :)\n<zmoylan-pi> and let the dawn introduce them to a whole new experience :-D\n<czajkowski> they're mostly ok tbh, there are the odd mornings when they're super noisy when they lay but not so much in the winter time\n<czajkowski> we only have 6 :)\n<zmoylan-pi> great burgalar alarm, at least for my uncle\n<czajkowski> Bash nmakes more noise\n<czajkowski> :/\n<Laney> czajkowski: congrats!\n<czajkowski> Laney: thanks :)\n<Laney> are you renting now?\n<czajkowski> been a busy few months\n<czajkowski> yup\n<Laney> fun fun\n<czajkowski> but we've just bought in Godalming\n<Laney> we just bought too\n<czajkowski> so hoping to move in March\n<czajkowski> fingers crossed\n<czajkowski> and at some point plan a wedding :)\n<Laney> need to get a man in to do $jobs, but I keep putting it off\n<Laney> oh yeah that old thing :P\n<czajkowski> Laney: aye we have a good few jobs to do, but thankfully Jons stepdad is a builder who does house renovations\n<czajkowski> :D\n<Laney> convenient or what!\n<czajkowski> does anyone use evolution and has calendar working nicely set up for exchange mail ?\n<czajkowski> Laney: that was another reason to picking the house, we knew if we got it we could get stuff done\n<zmoylan-pi> irish person with english builders... seems wrong somehow :-)\n<czajkowski> for starters the entire house needs painting inside, an do that in a week once we hire one of his crew fo rht eweek\n<czajkowski> and then do the place up bit by bit\n<Laney> nod\n<Laney> I need to figure out the green deal shenanigans to get the last single glazed windows replaced\n<Laney> which includes the one in this office\n * Laney shivers\n<czajkowski> yes all the windows need double glazing\n<czajkowski> :(\n<czajkowski> cannot wait to set up my office there\n<Laney> look into this green deal home improvement fund\n<czajkowski> living on pinterest to get some ideas\n<czajkowski> and houzz\n<czajkowski> Laney: link?\n<Laney> you can get 1.5K ish grant for energy efficiency stuff\n<Laney> https://www.gov.uk/green-deal-energy-saving-measures/get-money-back-from-the-green-deal-home-improvement-fund\n<Laney> and you can use the EPC which you already have when buying the house instead of paying for a new assessment\n<knightwise> silly question , what if i would like to build a simple text menu in the command line to launch command line apps\n<knightwise> like press 1 to launch irssi , 2 to launch wordgrinder etc.\n<knightwise> are there any simple ways to do that ?\n<czajkowski> Laney: nice\n<czajkowski> thanks\n<Laney> need to get off my bum and find out who to call\n<diplo> knightwise, can do it with python etc building on ncurses\n<diplo> I started playing with something myself for work a while ago\n<popey> knightwise: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/code-project-build-ncurses-ui-python\n * knightwise is taking a lok\n<diplo> heh was just about to link to that :)\n<knightwise> looks like something I can start with\n<Laney> snow's really coming down here\n<popey> ooh\n<popey> #uksnow\n<popey> http://uksnowmap.com/\n<popey> none here\n<MooDoo> hello all\n<knightwise> Belgium has sunny skies\n<knightwise> hey MooDoo\n<Laney> easing off already\n<Laney> boo\n<MooDoo> look like but constant here\n<MooDoo> light not like\n<MooDoo> oooo quite heavy now\n<Laney> looks like MooDoo has a 5 minute snow lag on me ;-)\n * awilkins draws up the blind to do a snowcheck\n<awilkins> Snow status zero\n<bashrc> status: snowing\n<bashrc> lunchtime could be amusing\n<awilkins> Kickstarter hits $1.6M in less than 24 hours...\n<awilkins> For a card game.\n<awilkins> The power of a solid following on the web.\n<awilkins> At least they aren't going all \"Star Citizen\" and offering SUPER POWERED KITTEN CARDS for $2,500 apiece.\n<knightwise> *sigh*\n<knightwise> getting a little tired of this cyber-begging\n<popey> cyber begging?\n<bashrc> kickstarter is ok, but it's not something which could form a sustainable business model\n<bashrc> status: not snowing\n<knightwise> true. But all the patreon campains , this and that campains. I understand its a business model\n<popey> trending towards 24M USD http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/elanlee/exploding-kittens/\n<popey> knightwise: the other option being?\n<bashrc> I think patreon is a more sustainable thing, because it's like an ongoing subscription\n<bashrc> rather than just a one-off event\n<popey> I mean, If you make video or other content and want to get paid (i.e. it be the sole source of income) what's your option?\n<popey> Adverts? No good unless you have millions of followers like Yogscast or MKBHD\n<popey> patreon is neat in that you can pick and choose what content you want to pay for and how much.\n<knightwise> popey: don't know really ..\n<awilkins> Patreon is OK for ongoing content (like journalism) but how do you get something like Star Citizen or Elite funded like that?\n<popey> you and I have the luxury of having a job which pays, and the content creation is a sideline.\n<awilkins> \"Hey guys, we wrote 1,000 lines of C++ today! *thrills*\"\n<popey> thats what kickstarter is for\n<awilkins> Exactly\n<popey> see also that librem laptop\n<MooDoo> patreon works well, I sponsor and pay per video for a max amount\n<popey> https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-laptop\n<popey> 98%\n<knightwise> popey: i agree with you on that\n<popey> they're going to hit their target\n<popey> which is awesome for them.\n<awilkins> Ooh, is that a really nice shiny metal unibody construction?\n<knightwise> it IS a cool cardgame\n<awilkins> Maybe kickstarters should have an upper limit\n<awilkins> Like \"The thing we are going to do will cost $10,000 to develop. Upper limit will be $40,000, because how much can you really polish a shiny diamond?\"\n * awilkins is now snow-positive\n<awilkins> OOh, 4k display on that Purism laptop\n<awilkins> £1,500 for a laptop that high end... but I bet the VAT in customs applies\n<awilkins> £1800 is pretty good\n<awilkins> That's with 16GB of RAM and the stupid-HD screen\n<knightwise> a 4K on a laotop ?\n<awilkins> 3840x2160\n<awilkins> Ok, it's an 8k\n<awilkins> If the k means \"thousand thousand pixels\"\n<bashrc> ok, they've added a uk keyboard option, so I think I'll try to get a librem laptop\n<bashrc> my troubles with starting my existing laptop (from cold) are ongoing\n<bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)\n<bigcalm> Hi intrbiz\n<intrbiz> bigcalm: hello\n * bigcalm heads off towards the LUG\n<awilkins_> Why can't rsync have a \"this is clearly going much more slowly than it would take to transfer the rest of the file in boring old normal mode\"\n<awilkins_> fallback mode\n<awilkins_> Watching it thrash CPU on the source box and transfer data at 8kB/s\n<awilkins_> On a 100Mb/s network segment\n<x86bit> Hi\n<x86bit> I need some help setting up my proftpd server, I cant seem to access it from out side my network\n<x86bit> I need some help setting up my proftpd server, I cant seem to access it from out side my network\n<ChunkzZ> anyone here have virgin media as their ISP?\n<Hemlock> Im on sky but I know a little about virgin\n<ChunkzZ> I need a new wireless router. I'm using a dlink 615 with my superhub (from virgin) but it keeps disconnecting etc on different devices so need a new wireless router. can you recommend any?\n<ChunkzZ> I was looking at this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291151529053\n<ChunkzZ> will that work with virgin? or do i need something like this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Netgear-WNDR3800-N600-Premium-WiFi-Wireless-N-Gigabit-Cable-Broadband-Router-/311213508015?pt=UK_Computing_Wireless_Routers&hash=item4875c545af\n<popey> is your superhub in modem only mode?\n<popey> (if not, you should consider it)\n<ChunkzZ> yeah it's in modem mode\n<popey> I use a netgear wndr3700\n<popey> been rock solid.\n<popey> I put dd-wrt on mine\n<ChunkzZ> you with virgin?\n<popey> yes\n<Hemlock> Lucky you guys can swap out your routers\n<Hemlock> Sky only let you use their shitty boxes\n<popey> yeah, so i hear\n<ChunkzZ> so I can use this? Netgear WNDR3800 N600 Premium WiFi Wireless-N Gigabit Cable Broadband Router\n<popey> my vm actually went down an hour ago\n<popey> only for a few mins\n<popey> which is quite rare here\n<ChunkzZ> the d/c's is driving my family mad\n<popey> what exactly happens?\n<ChunkzZ> on ipads and android it just disconnects\n<popey> what, the wifi?\n<ChunkzZ> yeah\n<popey> how many neighbours also have wifi?\n<ChunkzZ> a lot lol\n<popey> there's a nice android app called wifi analyzer\n<popey> which lets you see what your neighbours have\n<popey> and see what channel they're on\n<popey> I moved my ones to another channel away from theirs\n<shauno> I like to 'encourage' devices to use 5ghz where they can too\n<shauno> (there seems to be a whole lot less contention there)\n<ChunkzZ> my dlink 615 only supports 2.4\n<popey> the 3800 is the newer version of my 3700\n<popey> should be fine\n<popey> dual band too, so does 2.4 and 5\n<shauno> well, it depends how many of your devices do 5 too, else it's a pretty useless suggestion. but where usable, it's worth trying. (and where not usable, easily ignored :)\n<popey> i fiddled the firmware on mine to use channels above what the neighbours use :)\n<popey> thanks to MartijnVdS\n<shauno> I guess he ain't kidding\n<ali1234> anyone ever used these lithium ion AA batteries in a project?\n<ali1234> you should be able to run a raspberry pi a+ for about 8 hours on two \"AA\" batteries with them\n<ChunkzZ> popey, just checked wifi analyzer and I was running on the same channel as my next door neighbours. changed it to 3 which no one else is running and it seems fine. could that of been causing it?\n<popey> it doesnt help\n<ChunkzZ> saying that, I shall go ahead and buy the router one up from yours :) still, that'll do nicely with 2.4 and 5 :)\n<popey> problem is the channels overlap\n<popey> as you see in the display in wifi analyzer\n<popey> yeah, its a nice router\n<ChunkzZ> I'll defo order it tomorrow. thanks! also, my dad is saying it's not disconnecting now.\n<ChunkzZ> his ipad would just randomly disconnect lol\n<ChunkzZ> damn neighbours\n<popey> heh\n<popey> Glad we could help!\n<ChunkzZ> :) you did, I'm grateful. now it's bed time................................................\n#ubuntu-uk 2015-01-22\n<mapps> timeto start 12 monkeys :)\n<mapps> hm\n<mapps> i got 2 pis..diff locations..same exact ones, same sd card, wireless adapter etc - one of them is slow as hell when i run say sudo apt-get install x..anyone have any idea why?\n<m0nkey_> running on battery?\n<mapps> Both on mains\n<mapps> iots reallly slow when doing apt-get besides that seems fine..and not the downloading but reading package list 1%..2 etc\n<mapps> hm\n<Guest53371> mornig all\n<MooDoo> sigh\n<selinuxium> Hello o/\n<MooDoo> howdy\n<sebsebseb> hi\n<popey> hello\n<sebsebseb> popey: about a week to go ;d\n<popey> indeed!\n<sebsebseb> first two interesting other things though for me ;)\n<Laney> ha\n<Laney> We promised to tell you if anyone launches a new tariff that could save\n<Laney> you more than £1 a week\n<Laney> thanks EDF!\n<selinuxium> Week til what?\n<Laney> what?\n<Laney> but one of the tarriffs they list is with First Utility who currently are nicking some of my money, so ...\n<JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Answer Your Catâs Questions Day! :-D\n * DJones Wonders if the cat really wants to know why I'm holding a kebab stick\n * awilkins wonders where his cat is and why he didn't know he had one\n<davmor2> JamesTait: Charlie Says Meow Meow, Mew Mew Meow Meow\n<sebsebseb> oh I joined here earlier\n<sebsebseb> ,but put noting in here about Wndows 10 hmm\n<sebsebseb> two other channels though yes\n<sebsebseb> anyway seems Desktop Linux will get some real compettion from it\n<sebsebseb> and most users wil get it for free when upgraing from Windows 7 or 8 to it seems.\n<sebsebseb> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/01/windows-10-microsoft-plan-to-win-users-back\n<bashrc> ugh. it's closed source. How can anyone trust that?\n<sebsebseb> bashrc: so is Apple or most of it, but yet the amount of users\n<bashrc> code that you can't see is code that you can't trust\n<sebsebseb> indeed, but most computer users don't really know about that\n<davmor2> sebsebseb: no it won't Desktop linux has never been competition for windows in reality, Chrome OS on the other hand is the closest thing that Microsoft have to real competition and that again is pretty closed too\n<sebsebseb> well and Android\n<sebsebseb> then\n<sebsebseb> that's competion to\n<sebsebseb> davmor2: well Desktop Linux was meant to replace Unix, it's just for lots of people or usauly it can replace using WIndows to yeah\n<sebsebseb> if that's what you meant\n<popey> that doesn't mean they see it as competition\n<davmor2> sebsebseb: no microsoft is trying to be competition to android on devices, MS already lost that battle and is playing catch up\n<popey> in fact I had a marketing VP of Microsoft tell me \"We have no competition\"\n<sebsebseb> popey: I think there was some old thing from a few years back, where on Microsoft's competition list or well potential threats competion list, they actaully put Canonical as well\n<bashrc> \"convenient and powerful\", but probably bugged\n<sebsebseb> popey: yeah Apple aim at a diffenrwdt market really, so even that, isn't really porper compeition to them\n<davmor2> sebsebseb: no I mean that when you own 90% of the desktop market the other 10% split between your competition they are not really competition\n<bashrc> \"universal\" meaning the apps only run on Windows\n<popey> it's less that they have no competition, more they are somewhat arrogant to think they have no competition\n<sebsebseb> davmor2: espeically with Apple yeah, and what's that like\n<sebsebseb> davmor2: aiming for those who want to pay premium prices\n<sebsebseb> instead of pretty much anyone\n<sebsebseb> and those who think the Apple design and look is so something, but that's another hting\n<sebsebseb> anyway Windows 10 wil move most of the computer using world forward, because like it or not, that's what most computer users are going to use on lap tops and destkops that are being used at the time, or well probably\n<bashrc> or backwards\n<popey> heh\n<sebsebseb> or backwards maybe yeah, depending on how it's looked at\n<popey> sebsebseb: its still not open source / free software :)\n<bashrc> more centralised, closed crap\n<sebsebseb> popey: maybe 30 years time they open source Windows :d\n<sebsebseb> when it's not realy used anymoe heh\n<sebsebseb> they did that with a version of DOS actually\n<popey> not really\n<popey> they made it available for a museum\n<popey> they didn't \"open source\" it\n<bashrc> \"harmony in your household\"\n<sebsebseb> oh, well I don't remember quite hten, but I think I may have read that it got open sourced, but as I said I don't remember uqite\n<bashrc> \"co-engineering project\"?\n<bashrc> at the end of the advert I think they're trying to coopt some of the language of open source\n<sebsebseb> in fact maybe in 30 years time, ReactOS wil be ready to replace WIndows being used by most people or not, shame really about the such slow development of ReactOS since lack of developers, I mean imagine that if it was more developed much more developed\n<popey> yes, people thought \"ooh, source code\" and thought it meant \"open source\"\n<popey> given how many thousands of developers microsoft has, reactos will _always_ be playing catch up\n<popey> and some way behind\n<popey> MS had some thousand or so people working on one device for example.\n<bashrc> that MS had a thousand developers on a device shows how inefficient they must be. It must be quite hard to coordinate a team of that size\n<popey> oh I dunno. it takes a lot to make a whole new device\n<popey> (Microsoft HoloLens)\n<sebsebseb> HoloLens ???????\n<sebsebseb> what's that or was that a joke?\n<popey> no\n<bashrc> that's true, but a thouand? That seems like an incredibly large team\n<popey> sure\n<popey> Samsung recently moved a thousand people to work on Tizen\n * sebsebseb waits for first Ubuntu Phone :d\n<popey> these are huge companies\n<sebsebseb> yeah OS's take time to make..... how long depnds on how made, waht people etc etc, but right we all know that here I guess anyway :d\n * bashrc thinks open source is maybe a thin blue line\n<popey> sebsebseb: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/hands-on-with-hololens-making-the-virtual-real/\n<awilkins> Sure a lot of those thousand are people making demo content and apps, people marketing, etc\n<awilkins> In general I like Microsoft peripheral hardware\n<awilkins> Their mice / joysticks / gamepads are all solid and good quality\n<selinuxium> msg: popey Hi fella. Got a few Ubuntu Business questions you might be able to help steer me towards so answers if that is OK?\n<popey> wassup?\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<MooDoo> morning brobostigon\n<brobostigon> morning MooDoo\n<selinuxium> 'lo Brobo\n<brobostigon> morning selinuxium\n<cybernova> hi, i have a 20£ voucher for HelloFresh from Amazon, dont know what to do with it, so if you want it the code is HFNYAMZ1 and is valid only for UK and NI\n<cybernova> bye\n<awilkins> Anyone want the worst job ever? : http://jobview.monster.com/getjob.aspx?JobId=144461403&jvs=cf,can-6342,can,0&WT.mc_n=olm_sk_feed_ziprecruiter\n<awilkins> Hmm. cybernova may just be some kinda innovative spammer, but who spams IRC channels....\n<awilkins> And this HelloFresh thing looks like my kinda thing actually.\n * Myrtti_ just cooks from the Hairy Dieters books and orders stuff from Tesco\n<awilkins> Really, I should just adopt a routine of committing to opening one of the vast quantity of recipe books I have and cooking a new thing at least once a week\n<awilkins> But I think this addresses the whole \"mental effort\" thing\n<bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)\n<popey> awilkins: i have used gousto\n<popey> which is very much like hellofresh\n<popey> you pick recipes, they send you the exact ingredients and a recipe card\n<Myrtti_> incidentally I've lost nearly 12kilos since we started Hairy Dieters. With occasional relapse into a chicken kebab and Christmas without gaining any weight.\n<Myrtti_> we started in September I think\n<awilkins> My problem is lack of exercise\n<awilkins> Doing this new job working at home and my home/life balance is still wobbling about\n<Myrtti> so is mine, but if I go exercise with all this bulk I'll break my knees to even worse condition\n<Myrtti> so, weightloss with a food regimen first\n<awilkins> Need to set a timer or something and delineate when worktime stops and exercise time starts\n<awilkins> Myrtti, build some muscle mass as well ; a great passive slimming aid\n<awilkins> Should be able to do that with low-impact exercise\n * awilkins shuts up and concentrates on his own health\n<Myrtti> yeah, that is the long time plan. I'm just a bit limited with my options on low-impact and having already once hurt myself in the gym permanently, it's a bit scary to start over.\n<diddledan> mornin\n<daftykins> hi sir\n<popey> http://www.onegoodthingbyjillee.com/2012/02/coolest-easiest-yummiest-yogurt-pops.html\n<popey> think i need to do that\n<mapps> anyone familiar with enabling ssl on squid?\n<daftykins> lol.\n<mapps> or do i need to download the source and compile..cant do it from a repo install?\n<mapps> why lol?\n<daftykins> mapps and his antics :P\n<mapps> :D\n<mapps> ;]\n<mapps> i did google and have a quick read and seems i may have to use source\n<daftykins> VPNing not enough anymore?\n<mapps> well\n<mapps> my friend wants to use my connectioon remotely\n<mapps> and hes an idiot..he wont manage to use a vpn\n<mapps> it'd be easier for me to explain setting a browser to use a proxy:)\n<daftykins> so give a shell account over SSH and explain PuTTY tunnel + SOCKS proxy in firefox ?\n<daftykins> next to no setup\n<mapps> also..any idea on why my 2nd pi is sloooow compred to my one back in stoke? any apt-get command is slow as anything...yet same pi/power supply/sd card\n<mapps> LOL ssh dream on..he'd be lost\n<daftykins> yours involves way more faffing on your part though\n<mapps> yea:(\n<mapps> any idea on the pi?:(\n<daftykins> explaining how to download PuTTY and configure the tunnel, zero effort\n<daftykins> idea on what with a pi?\n<mapps> why it's so damn slow..running any apt-get command\n<daftykins> probably because they suck for network and disk IO\n<mapps> building dependency tree...x % TAKES AGES\n<mapps> yea but then my other one is like 10x faster\n<daftykins> dunno, SD card speed etc etc\n<daftykins> never used one and don't intend to break that tradition now :)\n<mapps> all same as other one:)\n<mapps> grmp[f\n<mapps> useless\n<mapps> :D\n<daftykins> go the shell account route, simples.\n<daftykins> i SSH to my VPS up in England to proxy via when i need to pretend to be English\n<daftykins> or more to the point establish why your mate is wanting to browse weirdly 0o\n<daftykins> i wouldn't have anyone else slowing me down :D\n<mapps> ok next q..my IP here changes..on bt i wanna use a dyndns hostname and auto update the IP..but the pis behind the router..will it work? the no-ip client asks for my internet facing interface..well neither are really\n<daftykins> it'll work it out.\n<mapps> ok:D\n<daftykins> it doesn't matter that it's not a direct interface, NAT takes care of that\n<daftykins> why don't you just try these things :P\n<mapps> well\n<mapps> trying anything on this pi\n<mapps> is SLOW as i was saying\n<mapps> else i would\n<mapps> lol\n<daftykins> oy vey.\n<shauno> it's quicker to just ask dafty :)\n<mapps> ja\n<daftykins> *sigh*\n<shauno> you don't learn anything that way, but ..\n<mapps> should i bother trying win10 in a vm..no doubt it'll suck:D\n<daftykins> it's nothing like the latest presentation, unless they've put out new media yet\n<mapps> oh\n<mapps> you try on a vm or as main os?7\n<daftykins> i'm not an idiot, so VM\n<daftykins> :>\n<mapps> heh\n<mapps> could be an old or empty machine if youd put it as main os\n<mapps> :D\n<daftykins> i only have a pile of craptops\n<mapps> finally got my pesky nexus7 to turn on..when they run down completely..man they take AGES to charge up..like ages\n<daftykins> maybe that's down to the charger ampage we were talking about the other day?\n<mapps> i think it's a known 'problem' if it gets to 0% the nexus acts like a brick for ages\n<mapps> i was using trhe charger it came with\n<mapps> O_o\n<daftykins> oh i see\n<daftykins> yeah that's big with all such devices i think really\n<daftykins> you shouldn't ever let tablets go flat\n<mapps> yea\n<mapps> :(\n<daftykins> heh yesterday i updated a guys old laptop that we hadn't booted since April\n<mapps> heh\n<daftykins> when we got its' replacement probably XD\n<mapps> super old?\n<daftykins> mmm, kind of\n<mapps> p4?:P\n<mapps> hjeh\n<daftykins> http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/09/sony-Vaio-tt-unboxing-hands-on-and-impressions/\n<daftykins> core 2 duo mobile, 4GB RAM and SSD\n<daftykins> in a carbon fibre shell\n<mapps> ;]\n<daftykins> it's done him well for years, gets taken all over the globe for business use\n<daftykins> still does at least 6hrs battery i would expect\n<mapps> thats not bad\n<mapps> my laptop didnt last too long..used on flight for a bit..and on the bus 10mins..dead\n<mapps> 3-4hrs max\n<daftykins> was more like 8-9 hrs new\n<daftykins> we went through a few generations of sony ultraportables before, during and after the whole netbook thing\n<mapps> this film chained is good\n<mapps> :D\n<shauno> I'm watching 'kon tiki', but I'm starting to suspect it should have had subtitles\n<mapps> heh\n<daftykins> mapps]: logged in and i see the updated win10 tech preview image is 'coming soon'\n<shauno> traitors!\n<diddledan> shauno, were you n0rty and downloaded it accidentally?\n<shauno> lol - naw\n<daftykins> i can't be a traitor since i don't run desktop Linux :D\n<shauno> I used something that looked like win8 on a server recently?\n<diddledan> shauno, no, i meant the kontiki thing\n<diddledan> shauno, I notice though that you said that almost an hour ago\n<diddledan> I suck\n<shauno> it's okay dan. we're way past expecting you to make sense :)\n<daftykins> d'aww\n<diddledan> this looks really fun: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3339966/\n<daftykins> 0o\n<diddledan> it helps that it's entirely original tv rather than \"marvel's <insert random comic book hero du jour here>\"\n<diddledan> the world is surely going to get fed up with marvel soon\n<diddledan> if it hasn't already\n<daftykins> i'm already on season 5 of 6, of my Sopranos bluray set\n<diddledan> jeez, louisae\n<diddledan> louise*\n<diddledan> you been busy\n<daftykins> haha\n<daftykins> there are only 13 eps per season for 1-5, ~50 mins each\n<diddledan> aah, that helps\n<daftykins> but yeah pretty much watch one or two every day\n<diddledan> usual run for an american series seems to be about 20ish?\n<daftykins> yip\n<daftykins> they seemed to make them do that for season 6\n<daftykins> i was gonna watch that windows 10 event, but 2 hours? ugh\n<diddledan> british tv on the other hand is 6 eps\n<daftykins> the brief recaps will suffice ;)\n<daftykins> Sopranos was thankfully from a time before all this tendancy to become poorly written due to being pushed for ratings, it seems like\n<mapps> 7hm\n#ubuntu-uk 2015-01-23\n<diddledan> interesting - tesco/talktalk's blinkbox does ultraviolet now\n<diddledan> might be worth switching my purchasing habbit to them rather than googleplaydoh\n<diddledan> specifically because it will mean I have the same library for titles I may get physically as gifts e.g.\n<shauno> I have no idea what that means\n<mapps> same\n<diddledan> blinkbox, ultraviolet or googleplaydoh?\n<mapps> ;]\n<shauno> yes\n<daftykins> when you buy a film on BD/DVD ultraviolet is the streaming service attached\n<daftykins> so you get both one or two physical copies plus x number of streams\n<diddledan> blinkbox: blinkbox.com; ultraviolet: uvvu.com; googleplaydoh: play.google.com\n<mapps> hmm\n<mapps> stupid thunderbird\n<mapps> maybe i should giveup with using an email app\n<daftykins> heh\n<daftykins> that is a bit 90s\n<daftykins> :>\n<shauno> aye. away to mutt with ya\n<mapps> yea\n<mapps> i just like it\n<mapps> but every time it decides to download ALL emails no matter what i do\n<mapps> like emails from years back:D\n<diddledan> mapps, I hear that. with an 8GB email archive it takes a while for thunderbird to sync when I set it up anew\n<daftykins> i upgraded office version on the boss' old laptop before i left, yesterday\n<daftykins> it's gonna pull down his 19GB worth of email :P\n<daftykins> and that's only the stuff we leave on the hosted setup.\n<diddledan> ooooooooooooohhhhh: simon \"scotty\" pegg is going to co-write the next startrek!\n<daftykins> he keeps showing up in films that don't seem like they should be comedies, giving them a comedic vibe\n<diddledan> I love his scotty\n<daftykins> not seen either of those new films\n<diddledan> I loved \"paul\" too\n<diddledan> paul is an awesome movie\n<mapps]> diddledan did you want it to dl them all?\n<mapps]> :)\n<shauno> diddledan:\n<shauno> how to remove wp plugin without removing its data?\n<diddledan> shauno, just delete it\n<diddledan> shauno, don't deactivate it first\n<shauno> I think I just broke someone else's site :)\n<diddledan> \\o/\n<daftykins> \\o/\n<shauno> I have no idea what that was, I think I'm just going to leave it alone and see if anyone notices\n<daftykins> sounds like a fine approach to me\n<shauno> well, I tend to update all her stuff whenever I'm in the area, because she avoids any button she doesn't understand\n<shauno> so I updated jetpack, and it disappeared. so I tried to reinstall it, but it said it was already installed. and then it was installed but wouldn't activate\n<shauno> I'm not entirely sure what happened next, but it appears to be back now?\n<daftykins> XD\n<daftykins> this firewall on my bigv.io still blocks wordpress cals\n<daftykins> *calls\n<mapps]> grmpf\n<mapps]> got to get the bus at 6;40am\n<shauno> then go to bed?\n<mapps]> i will in a bit\n<mapps]> :D\n<mapps]> tennis is on\n<daftykins> lol\n<shauno> ...\n<mapps]> lol why?:D\n<mapps]> 7gonna have to sleep in 2 shifts\n<mapps]> few hrs now few hours when i get back\n<mapps]> :)\n<shauno> well, personally, tennis doesn't rank highly on the list of reasons I'm not in bed, that's all\n<mapps]> oh\n<daftykins> +1\n<shauno> (it's right up there with cricket & golf on my list of \"things I can't imagine people watching unless they're high\")\n<mapps]> hm\n<shauno> it does seem like something a dog would happily watch, but a cat would squint at you and wonder what the punchline was\n<diddledan> hmm, I've only got 560GB of download in my sabnzb queue :-p\n<diddledan> I don't do illegal, obviously\n<diddledan> it's incrementing as we speak, because I went through my sickbeard listings and told it to research everything it had previously decided wasn't available\n<diddledan> up to 600GB\n<diddledan> luckily I still have 2.6 thousand spaces left\n<diddledan> \"2685.90 GB Free Space\"\n<diddledan> see, 2.6k-spaces\n<knightwise> mornin peeps\n<diddledan> morning knightwise\n<zmoylan-pi> happy friday\n<popey> yo\n * diddledan awaits the jamestait \"what day is today?\"\n<diddledan> corrolary - where is he?!\n<diddledan> tabcomplete can't find him so I'm assuming he d/c'd\n<Myrtti> he always does\n<arsenip_> happy friday :)\n<diddledan> I don't think disconnection should be allowed\n<davmor2> Morning all\n<diddledan> I wonder when MS will unleash the next build of windows10 (they said within the next week on wednesday)\n<diddledan> I'm getting antsy\n<diddledan> I want it NOW\n<bashrc> meh\n<diddledan> I'm an instant gratification nut\n<diddledan> as soon as it's announced I want it\n<popey> also \"meh\"\n<popey> my GameOS machine runs Windows 7.\n<popey> I'd be tempted to upgrade to Windows 10 if it didn't break everything on the machine, just for the free upgrade\n<diddledan> from what I can tell windows 10 will get delivered as a windows-update patch\n<diddledan> i.e. everyone who has windows update turned on will receive it\n<popey> i doubt that\n<ali1234> maybe for people who have windows 8\n<popey> I suspect you'll have to buy it at zero cost\n<diddledan> anyone who has 7sp1, 8 or 8.1\n * bashrc refuses to support windows anymore\n<popey> quite the delta from 7 to 10\n<ali1234> if they upgrade 7, a very large number of companies will go absolutely ape shit\n<ali1234> we are talking \"switch to ubuntu\" levels of rage\n<bashrc> bonus\n<diddledan> the windows site says: \"We will offer a free upgrade to Windows 10 for qualified new or existing Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows Phone 8.1 devices that upgrade in the first year!*\" with the smallprint stating: \"*It is our intent that most of these devices will qualify, but some hardware/software requirements apply and feature availability may vary by device. Devices must be connected to the internet and have Windows Update enabled. ISP\n<diddledan> fees may apply. Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 Update required.\"\n<popey> that doesnt mean they get it automagically\n<popey> it'll be optional\n<ali1234> right, it will just be a popup box that says \"click here to download windows 10\"\n<diddledan> fair enough - I probably just read too much into the requirement for windows update to be enabled\n<ali1234> the key word here is \"offer\"\n<diddledan> maybe they'll put it in the optional section which requires manual ticking of boxes\n<ali1234> i doubt windows is even capable of in-place upgrades like that\n<ali1234> you need install media\n<diddledan> windows 8 upgrades to 8.1 without a dvd\n<diddledan> and windows 7 upgrades to 8 with just a small application download which then does the rest\n<diddledan> i.e. no dvd again\n<ali1234> er, no it doesn't\n<diddledan> yes it does. I've done it\n<ali1234> that small application downloads the windows 8 ISO and then burns it to a disc\n<diddledan> nope\n<ali1234> then you install it like any other version of windows\n<ali1234> i've got a burned windows 8 disc here that i made using that procedure\n<diddledan> afair it was an in situ update without a dvd required\n<diddledan> you _can_ make a dvd, but it's not needed if you're doing a like-for-like upgrade\n<diddledan> i.e. updating 32bit 7 to 64bit 8 will require the dvd\n<diddledan> but 32 to 32 can be done within the booted os\n<MooDoo> morning all\n<zmoylan-pi> we can ship win10 to you on floppy...\n<popey> microdrives!\n<zmoylan-pi> i was thinking 8\" single side floppies\n<popey> i installed MSDOS 6.22 on a \"modern\" laptop the other day\n<popey> that was fun :)\n<popey> and fast!\n<diddledan> popey, I bet you didn't need any drivers, either\n<knightwise> morning peeps\n<diddledan> knightwise, you said that already\n<popey> well, no, but things dont work\n<popey> like sound\n<diddledan> popey, who needs audio?!\n<ali1234> this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhPA_TpkzkA\n<knightwise> diddledan: you werent awake the first time\n<popey> to play games\n<popey> wanted to play some dos games\n<diddledan> dosbox ftw\n * knightwise is still trying to get his retropi install working\n<diddledan> blindfold speedrun?!\n<popey> nah, i want to run on real hardware, not emulated\n<zmoylan-pi> probably drivers in config.sys for uk keyboard\n<zmoylan-pi> well... country\n<popey> that was all default right for me\n<popey> i used the DOS setup.exe\n<ali1234> wait, dos has a setup.exe?\n<zmoylan-pi> so still set up drivers so\n<popey> yes\n<zmoylan-pi> dos 4 onwards had a setup iirc\n<ali1234> i never knew that\n<popey> heh, DOS 4 was the Windows Me.\n<zmoylan-pi> dos 3 when i started was just fdisk the drive, format the drive (assuming it was ide, could be very wierd otherwise) /s and copy over the floppy into directory called \\dos\n<ali1234> DOS 4? I only has 6.22\n<popey> yeah, I started with 3.3\n<popey> or maybe 3.1\n<zmoylan-pi> dos 4 was terrible, used too much memory, no one used it\n<ali1234> sys c:\\ and then copy config.sys and autoexec.bat\n<zmoylan-pi> only reason to use it was for partitions bigger than 32mb\n<popey> http://i.imgur.com/z5jwkis.jpg\n<popey> fun\n<popey> thats on a 32GB USB stick so I can use it on anyones PC :)\n<zmoylan-pi> oh, kill the smartdrv, waste of memory :-)\n<popey> well it is now, yeah\n<popey> that was my default install\n<zmoylan-pi> but at least it's /x to kill the write behind feature that annoyed everyone\n<popey> i liked the fact that its full screen, and not some odd window\n<popey> so things it can't do.. sound, network...\n<zmoylan-pi> dos 6.22 can link to another computer with serial/paralled cable, primitive network :-)\n<ali1234> refering the text mode VGA as \"fullscreen\"\n<popey> hehe :)\n<ali1234> you sound like some hotshot 20 yr old node developer\n<zmoylan-pi> i had been using laplink since dos 3 days so never used it.\n<popey> ahh, my three headed laplink cable\n<popey> that was closely guarded\n<zmoylan-pi> yeah, i wrote very rude labels and stuck them all over my one so no one would borrow it\n<zmoylan-pi> my first social engineering :'-)\n<ali1234> laplink was... bad\n<zmoylan-pi> laplink was excellent\n<popey> actually i wonder if the sound card in the thinkpad might just work\n<ali1234> luckily i was using an amiga at the time when it was popular\n<popey> need to find some dos game with audio\n<popey> JamesTait: slacker\n<bashrc> I think it was just a null modem cable\n<zmoylan-pi> there is an external parallel sound card that might do it iirc\n<ali1234> ethernet was common by the time i was forced to switch to PC\n<JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Handwriting Day! :-D\n<popey> \\o/\n<zmoylan-pi> we've already done happy friday JamesTait, friday trumps handwriting day :-)\n<popey> \\o/ just found some old CDs I burned from 1998 with games on\n<bashrc> gosh\n<popey> haha, has loads of dos utilities\n<popey> like arj, rar200, pkarc\n<zmoylan-pi> i think i might have a zip file on my phone with a backup of all my games from then...\n<zmoylan-pi> commander keen...\n<zmoylan-pi> mahjongg\n<popey> i put the cd in my windows pc, microsoft security essentials found a virus on it :)\n<popey> Joe:Win16/Stupid\n<popey> *Joke\n<bashrc> don't copy that floppy\n<zmoylan-pi> unless you're the government...\n<popey> haha, there's a linux install guide from 1997 on it\n<awilkins> Ooh, null modem cables\n<awilkins> Used to string our Amigas together with those and play Populous 2\n<zmoylan-pi> is that the one that warns about making your monitor explode getting x to work? :-)\n<diddledan> I went to college with a guy who had coax lan - I think it was ethernet, but it mighta been token I guess\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<diddledan> allo\n<zmoylan-pi> my first network was a novell network on ne2000 boards connected via coax\n * bashrc didn't know anything about linux until 1999/2000\n<zmoylan-pi> then we discovered cheap ne2000 clones... the original ne2000 boards cost as much as a cheap laptop now\n<bashrc> I had a coax lan. coax was unreliable\n<diddledan> I remember asking the college it guys about their server because it was showing a non-graphical terminal - I said something like \"is that linux?\" and they replied \"no, it's a real netware server\"\n<JamesTait> zmoylan-pi++\n<diddledan> because netware > linux, right?\n<zmoylan-pi> coax worked fine as long as the cable was kept away from people kicking it and the terminators/connectors were good. at work we'd have a cable problem every 2-3 months.\n<ali1234> coax was bad but it was still miles better than laplink\n<popey> at the time netware was better\n<ali1234> and netware 4 was much better than linux was at the time yes\n<zmoylan-pi> netware software was a rock. it just kept running\n<diddledan> this was circa 99/00\n<popey> oh i got out of netware in ~1996\n<bashrc> humidity could cause strange behavior of the coax networks\n<diddledan> so linux was about 6 years old. a regular bubby\n<zmoylan-pi> there's a famous story of a novell netware server walled up for a couple of years accidently and still kept running.\n<ali1234> netware was probably still better than linux in 1999 but it was crippled due to using IPX not TCP/IP\n<popey> i think there are still fat ethernet cables laid at my local college that I put in 20 years ago.\n<JamesTait> GTA over IPX over coax made up far too much of my final year at uni.\n<zmoylan-pi> they are kept to punish the bad pupils :-)\n<bashrc> a company I was at used netware until about 2003\n<popey> IPXSPX\n<popey> NETX\n<popey> IPODI!\n<popey> memories...\n<zmoylan-pi> don't forget share.exe if you want file locking :-)\n<diddledan> netbeui?\n<diddledan> is that spelt right?\n<bashrc> something like that\n<awilkins> Ugh, had blocked all that horrible networking stuff from my mind\n<diddledan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetBIOS\n<awilkins> Hooray for TCP/IP\n<MooDoo> one of my first certification was for Novell Netware....\n<MooDoo> blast from the past\n<diddledan> crazy that MS still clings to netbios names\n<zmoylan-pi> my boss while at a wedding saw the hotels server sitting behind reception desk leaned over and downed their server while drunk for a giggle.\n<MooDoo> bit of a T**t then\n<diddledan> zmoylan-pi, well you would, wouldn't you!\n<zmoylan-pi> waking up the next morning at checkout he saw the technical staff frantically at the server wondering what was wrong. he 'fixed' it for them and slunk out so embarrassed.\n<MooDoo> what a kn*b\n<zmoylan-pi> drunk, very drunk...\n<JamesTait> My first job out of uni involved preparing for Y2K by migrating our Novell Netware 4 network to a Windows NT domain (to also integrate our small office network with the group network over ISDN).\n<zmoylan-pi> but he'd tell that story to customers as to why they shouldn't put servers in publically accessible places so some good came of it\n<diddledan> o_O the gadget show website is reporting that the iwatch will have a battery life of 2.5hours\n<awilkins> Is that in Dick Tracy videophone mode?\n<JamesTait> Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?\n<zmoylan-pi> 2.5 hours... does that count as battery life?\n<zmoylan-pi> or a demo\n<knightwise> so much for 'worlds most innovative company'\n<zmoylan-pi> i see argos are now selling pebble\n<zmoylan-pi> some people when they move house don't kid around... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7-pnOmCMAA72mv.jpg:large\n<diplo> They seem to do that a fair bit in the states i think zmoylan-pi , there is a TV series about it\n<diplo> :)\n<zmoylan-pi> wouldn't it be cheaper to take a copy of the plans and you know just make a second copy?\n<diplo> But this is 'Merica!\n<diplo> :)\n<awilkins> You could even knock down the old house and call it a \"teleport\"\n<awilkins> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/15/01/22/2233248/researchers-moot-teleportation-via-destructive-3d-printing\n<zmoylan-pi> you could leave the old house and call it a teleport accident...\n<awilkins> Anyone see that article about the Chinese buildings made with a ginormous 3D printer?\n<awilkins> They're kinda weird inside, look like the excretions of some giant termits\n<zmoylan-pi> haven't we been using giant 3d printers since we started pouring concrete into moulds onsite?\n<awilkins> Moulds not the same\n<awilkins> http://rt.com/news/224423-china-3d-printer-house/\n<awilkins> Those blocks look quite light\n<diddledan> why do reporters insist on calling the material that 3d printers extrude \"ink\"?!\n<zmoylan-pi> because reporters are dumb and their general audience dumber\n<zmoylan-pi> they go for the cliche rather than educate these days it seems\n<awilkins> Also quite like the houses made of expanded polystyrene bricks like LEGO that you then fill with concrete\n<zmoylan-pi> i liked the carlsberg bottle that was designed to be used as a housebrick when it was empty\n<diddledan> the other thing that annoys me about news reports is that the reporter usually insists on putting a pun or many into it\n<knightwise> wasnt that a heineken one\n<knightwise> I'm thinking of styrofoam bricks and wood when we do our home reno\n<zmoylan-pi> could be some other booze, i don't drink sorry\n<knightwise> we have been thinking about putting in an addition\n<knightwise> extention i mean\n<zmoylan-pi> heineken, yup http://inhabitat.com/heineken-wobo-the-brick-that-holds-beer/\n<diddledan> https://github.com/alex/what-happens-when\n<awilkins> That Heineken story makes my browser choke\n<zmoylan-pi> some good would come from all the empty bottles\n<awilkins> Ugh, whatever it is on that page totally locks up Firefox\n<awilkins> This seems to be a trend I've noticed recently\n<awilkins> Newspaper websites do it too\n<zmoylan-pi> works fine on my firefox, i use ghostery though so that might be stopping the nasty\n<awilkins> Closed all my Firefox windows. Process is still caning a CPI\n<awilkins> CPU\n * awilkins kill -9s it\n<diddledan> awilkins, it might be a rogue flash ad\n<awilkins> Not the plugin hosting process (has a separate process name, no?)\n<diddledan> it might do\n<awilkins> The website of The Independent does something similar\n<awilkins> Page scrolls really slowly, eats CPU\n<zmoylan-pi> newspapers do seem to be guilty of most addons sucking cpu at the same time\n<zmoylan-pi> i think it's to punish us for not buying a paper copy\n<awilkins> Or possibly to mine BitCoin for Rupert Murdoch\n<zmoylan-pi> or mine secrets for rupert murdoch, he got away with hacking once...\n * awilkins wonders if there are any distributed mining things that work by farming workunits out to js in peoples browsers\n<awilkins> Of course there is : http://www.bitcoinplus.com/miner/embeddable\n<awilkins> Bitcoin mining plugin for WordPress\n<awilkins> The dude only wants a 19% cut!\n<MooDoo> i'll install it to my WP sites, would me I get 0.000000000000001 of a BC in about 20 years\n<awilkins> There's a WP site at my old work that has about 100 plugins in it\n<zmoylan-pi> tbh, i'd prefer my doddery relatives computers were mining bitcoins than sending spam\n<awilkins> Don't think they'd notice another one...\n<andrewebdev> I'm wondering, since the announcement of LXD I've not really seen much documentation and/or tutorials on it. Does anyone know where I can find docs on using it?\n<knightwise> p0p0k@t3ptl\n<knightwise> That is the name of a mountain in africa\n<awilkins> Nice coverup\n<awilkins> All we saw was\n<awilkins> ***********\n<knightwise> LOL\n<knightwise> nice one awilkins\n<zmoylan-pi> dibs on his paypal :-P\n<awilkins> That bitcoin miner plugin thing seems to be a Java applet\n<awilkins> +1 for speed -1 for getting people to run it\n<zmoylan-pi> if you sell it right you could need a 20 page list of instructions and some people would install it :-)\n<popey> hmm\n<awilkins> One that's pure js and has WebGL support : https://github.com/derjanb/hamiyoca\n<popey> seems my thinkpad doesn't want to be a soundblaster 16 or awe32\n<awilkins> AWE32 was a great card\n<zmoylan-pi> don't thinkpads also have an awful awful modem pretending to be a sound card driver?\n<MooDoo> dma=1 irq=5 iirc :D\n<zmoylan-pi> same irq as our network cards...\n<zmoylan-pi> base 320h\n<popey> yeah, says it cant find the card\n<popey> unsurprisingly\n<davmor2> popey: is this for dosbox by anychance?\n<zmoylan-pi> maybe some mad genius wrote a driver to make it think an ac'97 is a soundblaster in dos? :-)\n<popey> davmor2: no, real hardware\n<davmor2> popey: ah :) try soundblaster pro\n<popey> not an option\n<knightwise> mpsyt :)\n<davmor2> popey: pc speaker\n<knightwise> Better then Spotify\n<popey> gravis, sb, sound man 16, pro audio spectrum, awe 32, soundscape, disney sound source, tandy sound source\n<popey> (duke 3d)\n<zmoylan-pi> ad lib\n<bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)\n<diddledan> not for much longer\n<davmor2> bigcalm: hello\n<bigcalm> o/\n<diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30948123\n<MooDoo> google also released 3 zero days for apple osx too\n<knightwise> quick question\n<knightwise> suppose I ssh into a machine from the command line and would like to launch an app\n<knightwise> how do i put that in one command line command\n<knightwise> ssh me@server:command or ssh me@server / command ?\n<Laney> laney@iota:~$ ssh vivid.local echo hello knightwise from \\$\\(hostname\\)\n<Laney> hello knightwise from vivid\n<awilkins> knightwise, GUI app?\n<awilkins> ssh -X user@server 'command line'\n<knightwise> commmand line app\n<knightwise> the error i'm getting wehn i do it your way is : \"the term environment variable is unset\"\n<mapps> back y'all\n<mapps> back in the sun\n<mapps> :D\n<zmoylan-pi> natural light, get it off me!!\n<awilkins> knightwise, That sounds like an app-specific error\n<knightwise> mc ? doesnt strike me as an exotic app\n<mapps> ;]\n<awilkins> try ssh user@server 'TERM=xterm mc'\n<awilkins> mc is ncurses\n<awilkins> since you're shelling straight in and just running it you're not starting a terminal on the server\n<awilkins> hence no TERM env var\n<awilkins> Since it can't predict terminal behaviour it's throwing a spaz\n<awilkins> set it to whatever your local term env says (gnome-terminal says xterm for me here)\n<knightwise> ha\n<knightwise> i\"ll try\n<knightwise> IT WORKS :)\n<popey> ChunkzZ: has your internet connection improved since moving wifi channel?\n<Azelphur> muhahah, victory is mine, finally bypassed threes new tethering detection.\n<Azelphur> set up a SSH Server on the phone to socks proxy and am using tsocks for applications that don't support socks.\n<Myrtti> oh, they've got a tethering detection? bother.\n<Azelphur> Myrtti, yea, they always have, but up until the past couple months it had just been layer 7\n<Azelphur> Myrtti, now they are doing something new, I dunno what it is, at first I thought it was TTL but ping -t 65 doesn't get through.\n<Azelphur> whatever it is, it's clever I'll give themt hat\n<Azelphur> SO MANY FUCKING TUNNELS >.>\n<Myrtti> tsk.\n<Azelphur> just realised I typed ^ in ubuntu-uk and not my channel, sorry >.>\n<Azelphur> not the place for that.\n<Azelphur> on a train, tunnels keep disconnecting my internet, first world problems :(\n<zmoylan-pi> but if you have no tunnels where would you run your trains?? :-)\n<shauno> bridges :)\n<zmoylan-pi> nah, proper trains have tunnels\n<SuperEngineer> but surley - trains should be using clouds - everybody using clouds - why not trains? Let's see how clever you are nowcloud users! [hurumph]\n * zmoylan-pi doesn't want to see a load bearing cloud as the weather might be nasty\n<SuperEngineer> lol\n<zmoylan-pi> i mean in ireland we run rail lines across bogs and those are fun\n<SuperEngineer> ...& as to the phrase \" proper trains have tunnels\".. anybody told Euro Tunnel that? they seem to prefer the M20\n<zmoylan-pi> well if you build a rail line on a bog it eventually provides it's own tunnel as it sinks and closes over the train :-)\n<shauno> gotta admit, not so impressed with the trains in Ireland\n<shauno> I mean - they all go to dublin? Who in their right mind ..\n<SuperEngineer> glug glug... \"the expected arrival for dublin will be a bit late. We apologise for the delay\"\n<SuperEngineer> I bog therefore I'm late\n<zmoylan-pi> trains in ireland are ok, cheaper often to get a flight from one end of country to the other, and quicker. but trains are still popular\n<diddledan> shauno, to be fair pretty much every train in england ends up at \"bristol temple-meads\"\n<zmoylan-pi> there's a causeway in tipperary i think that seems to sink every 50-70 years. eventually the next causeway will have been built on enough rubble to not sink\n<shauno> I'd quite like a line that heads south, so I can get to shannon instead of relying on dublin airport :/\n<diddledan> zmoylan-pi, it's a long way to tipperary\n<SuperEngineer> ooooooooohh no!\n<zmoylan-pi> especially when you have to disembark, walk with luggage through a few feet of bog and then a few miles to next town to catch the linking bus\n * SuperEngineer stops clock on waiting for that 1!\n<diddledan> yeah, that's every commuter's nightmare phrase: rail replacement service\n<zmoylan-pi> well dublin airport is really just named dublin airport to confuse invading forces... :-P\n<zmoylan-pi> it's so remote from dublin that ryan air flies into it and calls it dublin airport\n<SuperEngineer> Got stuck there once.. was using ticket from manager who got ill...\n<SuperEngineer> ...plane went\n<SuperEngineer> 2tech\n<SuperEngineer> 2.\n<SuperEngineer> i went to #business lounge ;)\n<SuperEngineer> ...free food... oh, & free booze\n<SuperEngineer> me likey Dublin airport :D\n<zmoylan-pi> free booze... in ireland... i wonder what that costs them :-)\n<SuperEngineer> I wondered that at the time!\n<zmoylan-pi> well... till the free booze kicked in\n<SuperEngineer> ..but then had another freebie & forgot about it! ;D\n<SuperEngineer> My main gripe with Dublin airport... they fixed the darned plane - no fair!\n<SuperEngineer> no free booze or food on plane\n<SuperEngineer> [except a muffin - no comment]\n<zmoylan-pi> a bran muffin... and then they charge to use the loo! the fiends!!\n<shauno> I've spent so much time on ryanair, I was quite confused when Austrian fed us\n<SuperEngineer> definite lol\n<SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi, ^\n<SuperEngineer> Here's a good one; man from BT apparently arrived this morning, declared telegraph pole unsafe & cut all lines without warning anybody so he could remove the pole!\n * SuperEngineer is back to using 3g dongle atm\n<zmoylan-pi> irony would be if after he cut the wires the pole fell...\n<SuperEngineer> yup\n<diddledan> SuperEngineer, I believe if it's off for more than 4 hours you're allowed to claim compensation\n<SuperEngineer> correct\n<SuperEngineer> already underway\n<diddledan> well done :-)\n<ali1234> i just found the stupidest bug ever\n<SuperEngineer> [though not sure re 4 hourd bit - but no hope till Monday is out of any time limit!]\n<ali1234> how do i report bugs against the upgrade tool?\n<SuperEngineer> a stupid bug, that's a bit technocratist!\n<ali1234> it's really stupid though\n<ali1234> 1. install 13.10\n<ali1234> 2. upgrade to 14.04\n<ali1234> 3. enable partner repo\n<ali1234> 4. install skype\n<SuperEngineer> surely you mean a bug of impaired mentality :D\n<ali1234> it doesn't work, because you get the version for 13.10\n<ali1234> developer of impaired mentality perhaps, but the bug is just plain stupid\n<SuperEngineer> ok - agreed\n<SuperEngineer> why not just install 14.04 first?\n<ali1234> yes, let me just get in my time machine and do that\n<zmoylan-pi> don't forget the lotto numbers\n<SuperEngineer> still waiting for those lotto numbers... that time machine must have a faulty starter motor\n<zmoylan-pi> you're waiting for someone to give you a delorean to install it\n<ali1234> it's funny how whenever i have to do anything computer related for anyone else i always hit a bug\n<ali1234> but i hardly ever do\n<zmoylan-pi> anytime i have to touch someones windows computer i usually have to wait a sizeable chunk of a gigabyte of updates to install\n<ali1234> bug 1414150\n<lubotu3> bug 1414150 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) \"release upgrader doesn't update partner repo URL if it isn't enabled\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1414150\n<mapps> taken eh\n<mapps> a 3rd one now..prob same as 1/2 no doubt\n<ali1234> what's a good OS image for raspberry pi that will work with 4GB card and allow me to test the audio and camera module?\n<ali1234> oh and wifi\n<brobostigon> raspbian\n<zmoylan-pi> though a 4gb card is on the small side these days\n<brobostigon> yes, my both, runs on 16gb sd cards, and they got filled very quickly.\n<zmoylan-pi> you think to yourself i'll only keep a tiny amount of data on them and the next thing you know you're connecting a 1tb drive... :-)\n<brobostigon> yep, :)\n<ali1234> well...\n<mapps> my pesky vpn isnt working grr\n<mapps> can connect but not access net..grmpf ive set ipforwarding on and the iptables rules\n<daftykins> diagnose it\n<daftykins> ping by IP, check routes...\n<daftykins> all the usual\n<mapps> yea going to\n<mapps> just a pain\n<mapps> especially because i forgot my charger for my big laptop LOL..double checked my bags before i left and somehow didnt consider charger\n<mapps> unpacked realised i dont have it so have to use my netbook for everything\n<daftykins> a fate worse than death\n<daftykins> mapps: hey the windows 10 image got updated - http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=522102\n<mapps> wonder how diff it is\n<mapps> lets see\n<daftykins> well it's definitely different to the first image they put out :>\n<mapps> apparently ws like -7 in heathrow last night\n<mapps> did feel cold when i got there heh\n<daftykins> wowzer\n<mapps> mustve been -2 or so at 6am\n<mapps> tethered my phone to laptop and watched old GOAT\n<mapps> BUT he lost\n<mapps> :((\n<daftykins> no idea what that is\n<mapps> ROGER THE FEDERER\n<mapps> fed express\n<mapps> :D\n<mapps> old greatest of all time\n<mapps> he\n<daftykins> aah\n<daftykins> we have a mate that looks exactly like him\n<daftykins> when we see him, we ask how the ol' tennis is going\n<diddledan> does anyone in the uk here have win10 installed?\n<diddledan> seems cortana doesn't like me :-(\n<mapps> daftykins, does i thought\n<daftykins> diddledan: i'll have it up in a VM shortly\n<daftykins> downloading right now\n * daftykins goes back to making a sandwich\n<diddledan> daftykins, I'm getting cortana say that she's \"unavailable to help in your location\"\n<mapps> thought you already did\n<mapps> you deld old win10\n<daftykins> diddledan: did you download the UK ISO?\n<daftykins> mapps: yeah the old build doesn't update to the new\n<diddledan> daftykins, I upgraded in-place from an already installed 10\n<daftykins> meh i only have a VM with nothing on it, i'll just nuke it\n<daftykins> got on on my laptop here under vbox and one on the desktop with vmware ws\n<mapps> i almost lost £2500 on fed..my 3g saved me\n<mapps> lol\n<mapps> if i hadnt have been able to put the match on wouldnt have been able to switch:)\n<daftykins> or you could just not gamble :>\n<mapps> i was trading like a pro on betfair i prefer to say\n<mapps> :d\n<mapps> ;D\n<mapps> layed United at 1/5 for £1000 (200 quid risk) lay the short odds back the big odds1\n<mapps> fiinished 0-0..meanwhile my mug friend lost like 400 on it ..tsk\n<daftykins> o0\n<mapps> crazy how much yen is bet on stuff..5.8 million on the federer match 4.5 on united\n<mapps> imagine all that moey in 20 pound notes\n<mapps> :D\n<daftykins> haha\n<daftykins> my mate was working nuclear research in Tokyo, getting paid all in yen in cash. foreigners can't hold accounts or something he said, so he brings it all back to England\n<daftykins> next thing, the Japanese PM is doing some thing which drops the value so it's all worth way less, doh!\n<daftykins> ah i cannot cut this cathedral city cheddar for sandwiches without wanting a piece\n<mapps> lol\n<mapps> really\n<mapps> like suitcases full of cash\n<mapps> cant he get paid into a uk bank\n<diddledan> daftykins, cathedral city is nummy\n<ali1234> so anyway as i was saying\n<ali1234> i just want to test the hardware and i only hav a 4GB card\n<daftykins> mapps: i think the language barrier might've had something to do with his reluctance\n<mapps> heh\n<daftykins> gogo virtualbox, give me something other than a blank screen for win10 :P\n<ali1234> bringing a suitcase full of cash through customs tho...\n<ali1234> i can't imagine that being easy\n<daftykins> =]\n<mapps> 07827 668566wow\n<mapps> oops\n<mapps> wow android is diff to ios\n<mapps> i cant even figure out how to edit a contact\n<mapps> LOL\n<zmoylan-pi> you're supposed to fire up chrome and log into google and change it there like a good little user :-)\n<mapps> what?!\n<mapps> you cant do it on the phone?!\n<zmoylan-pi> you can but it can be annoying\n<mapps> yea\n<mapps> also its a PITA\n<mapps> if i ring a UK number it says call ended\n<mapps> have to add +44 to every contact\n<mapps> on my iphone if i call 079 xxx abroad it still works\n<daftykins> pfft it's easy\n<zmoylan-pi> shouldn't have to do that. i didn't when i used android phone\n<mapps> what about the second issue>\n<mapps> hmm\n<mapps> honestly 01483 47xxx call ended\n<daftykins> now that you travel a lot you should enter all numbers longhand\n<mapps> type +44 483 and it works\n<daftykins> that's quite funny, 01481 is the Guernsey area code\n<daftykins> :>\n<mapps> :D\n<zmoylan-pi> i just stopped the contacts sync and used the sim for storing numbers\n<daftykins> i only needed to remember 5 digits to call home when i was a kid over at friends ;_;\n<mapps> id rather force it to just work and call uk numbers like normal\n<daftykins> zmoylan-pi: negating the wonderful backup that is cloud data? tsk tsk\n<daftykins> i love not having to deal with that SIM junk anymore\n<zmoylan-pi> if it's important it wouldn't be in the cloud for every one to see\n<diddledan> I love cloud sync\n<diddledan> I'd be lost without it\n<zmoylan-pi> i liked sync on palm, i liked sync on psion, i don't like backing up personal data via internet.\n<diddledan> it just annoys me that each company needs their own silo\n<zmoylan-pi> psion had vcf, palm talked with that\n<daftykins> i had a series 3c with PsiWin :>\n<zmoylan-pi> simple, elegant, worked. then wince came along and it all went wrong\n<zmoylan-pi> psiwin, the most complex vb app i ever locked horns with :-)\n<daftykins> diddledan: ugh what have they done to WIndows Update =|\n<zmoylan-pi> when it worked it was fantastic, when it didn't you'd swear a bit and get it working again\n<zmoylan-pi> vb and serial communications were never 100%\n<diddledan> daftykins, ?\n<daftykins> in win10\n<diddledan> I can't say I've noticed any diff?\n<daftykins> it ran a metro'y app which brought up a huge settings cog to be the windows update app now\n<daftykins> seems to be joined with backup and restore\n<daftykins> *recovery\n<diddledan> it's part of the new control panel\n<diddledan> the settings app and control panel are almost the same thing (supposedly) now\n<diddledan> or rather more is done via the settings app than the evilness that is the win32 control panel\n<daftykins> ;]\n<daftykins> hmm WU is gone from the Control Panel, that's all i spy\n<mapps> vb\n<mapps> urgh\n#ubuntu-uk 2015-01-24\n<davmor2> Morning all\n<daftykins> o/\n<popey> urgh\n<daftykins> that's how i feel ;)\n<davmor2> popey: that's how I felt ages ago\n * daftykins brings out the Branston\n<daftykins> i saw something quite sad in the supermarket earlier, the place now making the sandwiches for their lunch section thinks that \"ham, cheese and pickle\" is to be made with gherkins instead of branston :S\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<popey> outrage\n<popey> http://imgur.com/gallery/Vvx5oU3\n<popey> about right\n<davmor2> popey: I'm outraged there is no Links in there\n<daftykins> :P\n<davmor2> popey: or links2, or lynx, or wget and read the source it's like the matrix of browsers :D\n<knightwise> hey peeps\n<daftykins> heya\n<knightwise> hey. how ya doin daftykins\n<knightwise> im out shoppin with the wifr. theb\n<knightwise> irc on phone. sorrybfor typo\n<daftykins> mmm not too shabby ty, i think the ol' shingles is healing up now - slowly :) how's you?\n<daftykins> ah-har, not clothes i hope ;)\n<knightwise> yep\n<daftykins> D:\n<knightwise> and a dryer\n<popey> moo\n<penguin42> hey popey\n<daftykins> gents o/\n<zmoylan-pi> mammals o/\n<brobostigon> carbon based life forms.\n<zmoylan-pi> there is a bot in the channel, probably silicon based lifeforms too\n<popey> !botsnack\n<lubotu3> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!\n<popey> \\o/\n<popey> how to out a bot in one easy step :)\n * zmoylan-pi sticks with 'everything i sat is a lie'\n<zmoylan-pi> *say\n<zmoylan-pi> that and a nokia in a sock to take out terminators and i'm covered :-)\n<MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: maybe that borg-killing picture\n<MartijnVdS> https://www.reddit.com/r/DaystromInstitute/comments/2gwp37/why_did_picard_think_a_complex_impossible_shape/\n<MartijnVdS> http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Topological_anomaly\n<zmoylan-pi> couldn't we just email them an epub of escher? :-)\n<MartijnVdS> hmmm\n<MartijnVdS> (y)\n<popey> https://www.flickr.com/photos/88574960@N02/sets/72157632858317817/\n<popey> wow\n<daftykins> oh my word\n<popey> apparently done in their \"lego room\"\n<daftykins> how the other half live\n<shauno> the other half live in lego castles?\n<daftykins> that they do\n<daftykins> they're a lot smaller so we never notice\n<davmor2> WOW just WOW\n<diddledan> daftykins, did you get 10 installed?\n<diddledan> allo folks\n<directhex> daftykins: you had shingles? that sucks, i had that a couple of years ago\n * zmoylan-pi had that when i was teenager\n<directhex> i'm not convinced the meds weren't worse than the illness itself\n<diddledan> I had the pox when I was teeny\n<directhex> felt *so* pukey after my morning dose of antiretrovirals. yuck\n<penguin42> oh I hadn't realised they were using them for shingles\n<directhex> penguin42: risk of nerve damage\n<penguin42> directhex: From the drugs or not using the drugs?\n<directhex> not using\n<penguin42> nod\n<penguin42> I'll have to watch out in later life; I got chicken pox in my 30s\n<directhex> shingles is a VZV (chicken pox) re-activation on a spinal nerve, so it manifests in a patch on your skin for an area affected by a single major spinal nerve\n<directhex> if it's a nerve related to your face or eyes, you're in trouble\n<penguin42> (Oddly I was in hospital for an unrelated problem when I was about 9 when the rest of the ward had chicken pox and I didn't)\n<popey> hmm, is it possible (in windows) to raise the refresh rate above 60Hz? Mine doesn't seem to go any higher.\n<penguin42> popey: I suspect it depends on what the monitor tells it\n<popey> DVI if that matters.\n<popey> the help for the monitor suggests it can go to 75Hz\n<MartijnVdS> popey: depends on what the screen claims it can do\n<directhex> popey: at your target res?\n<popey> but the UI won't let me\n<MartijnVdS> popey: what does \"xrandr\" say?\n<popey> oh, I guess maybe not\n<popey> MartijnVdS: Windows :S\n<MartijnVdS> popey: oh :(\n<diddledan> there's not much reason to do so unless you're running 3d off it\n<MartijnVdS> My screen does 75Hz up to 1280x1024\n<MartijnVdS> and 60Hz above that\n<popey> oh okay, so probably not possible\n<popey> I just noticed flicker in the corner of the screen\n<directhex> popey: try feeding a proper .inf for your monitor, not relying on EDID/PnP profile\n<popey> will do\n<diddledan> interesting - 3 has bought o2\n<directhex> confirmed?\n<directhex> oh, yes. hm\n<brobostigon> i think there are still loads of hoops to go though, like competition approval etc.\n<popey> wonder what that will mean for giffgaff\n<directhex> concerns about price rises... people *do* know o2 was already one of the most expensive networks, right?\n<directhex> yeah, i wonder for giffgaff\n<brobostigon> and i believe, its is hutchison whampoa that has boought o2, not three directly.\n<directhex> technically, yes\n<DJones> Can't see it changing existing contracts\n<popey> heh, it can do 1024x768@75Hz!\n<popey> no higher\n<brobostigon> one would hope, it expands three's existing 3g/4g/lte, and will allow three customers to roam with o2 in lower signal areas.\n<diddledan> brobostigon, I would surmise that the first order of business would be to allow the two networks to roam between as you hope, and then eventually merge the infrastructures\n<brobostigon> yes, i would agree diddledan\n<ali1234> yeah better signal for three would be great\n<brobostigon> and more consistant data,\n<penguin42> curious, my VM router has a log message from 23/00/2015\n<diddledan> penguin42, magic\n<penguin42> diddledan: https://plus.google.com/photos/118251468822440261663/albums/6108006605325208145/6108006610806106050\n<diddledan> weird\n#ubuntu-uk 2015-01-25\n<zmoylan-pi> splitters\n<diddledan> zmoylan-pi, can't trust anyone\n<diddledan> daftykins, so it turns out that cortana doesn't work when the system is set to a british locale - only available in english (US) according to their forums\n<diddledan> I really wanted to give it a go\n<daftykins> diddledan: ah that figures, come to think of it i vaguely recall it's country limited too\n<daftykins> why don't you install the US image and proxy it via the US? :>\n<daftykins> perhaps via a digital ocean droplet or some such\n<diddledan> the version of cortana on phones (for winpho8.1) only became british capable a couple months ago\n<diddledan> lol\n<zmoylan-pi> not even the peoples popular front?\n<penguin42> does it get confused if you tell it you want to knock up a quick fix?\n<diddledan> you'da thunk they'd have made it available everywhere the phones can do it tho\n<diddledan> zmoylan-pi, the popular front? as in betty on the street corner's cleavage?\n<penguin42> diddledan: That is hard, language stuff like that is pretty new\n<daftykins> considering how xbox live goes down every monday night me and my friends play of late, perhaps MS aren't confident they can keep cortana running for all the people playing with win10 ;)\n<diddledan> maybe\n<mapps> hi all\n<mapps> hm\n<diddledan> yawn\n<davmor2> Morning all\n<diddledan> ello\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<davmor2> morning brobostigon diddledan how's life this fine morning?\n<brobostigon> morning davmor2\n<penguin42> hmm, why is my DNS broken\n<zmoylan-pi> did you hit it with a hammer?\n<zmoylan-pi> was it on a shelf and the cat knocked it off?\n<penguin42> no, but I just did and it's come back\n<zmoylan-pi> that'll teach it\n<zmoylan-pi> you'd be amazed the amount of wonky hardware that behaves perfectly when there's a good hammer handy\n<penguin42> well, this appears to have been software - restarted bind on my router, it was spewing 'no valid DS' for everything, which I think is dnssec stuff, but don't understand any more\n<daftykins> o0\n<daftykins> how rude of it\n<penguin42> yes, I'm not sure it's better or worse that restarting made it go away\n<zmoylan-pi> makes it feel... windowsy...\n<daftykins> ;)\n<penguin42> well, I always worry more with things like bind that something dodgy is happening\n<diddledan> penguin42, as long as bind stays bound you don't have a problem :-p\n<penguin42> diddledan: well a bound bind that doesn't reply to anything isn't much yse\n<daftykins> needs more glue ;)\n<diddledan> there's nothing quite like a good bit of bondage\n<DJones> diddledan: TMI\n<diddledan> :-p\n * zmoylan-pi hands around the forks, chopsticks and mind bleach\n * DJones joins zmoylan-pi and hands out a tazer\n<diddledan> DJones, TMI\n<zmoylan-pi> diddledan would probably enjoy that DJones\n<daftykins> welcome to the Sunday surgery on #ubuntu-uk\n<davmor2> I'll just stick with Mjölnir good as tazer and hitty thing\n<DJones> diddledan: Hey, you brought up the bondage\n<diddledan> DJones, and you continued it with your special toys\n<DJones> diddledan: You consider tazers as a \"special toy\" that is seriously to much information\n<diddledan> lol\n<DJones> Anybway, enough of your personal life......\n * DJones hands popey an eclectic guitar\n<DJones> (Yup, I spelt that how I meant)\n<daftykins> don't even want to know how that's used\n * daftykins whistles\n * zmoylan-pi breaks out the kazoos and hands them around\n<penguin42> DJones: Does that play floyd ?\n<DJones> penguin42: Probably more deep purple than pink floyd\n<davmor2> DJones: it's not very eclectic if it only play deep purple :P\n<zmoylan-pi> he can play barney the dinosaur on it for more purple... :-)\n * daftykins disabled TR-069 on his ISP supplied router to stop them connecting in\n * zmoylan-pi waits for daftykins to be denounced as a rebel and taken away by security forces\n<daftykins> NOOOOO!\n * daftykins gets dragged off through some double-doors\n<daftykins> just heard a nasty tale about an infected router over in the US\n<diddledan> daftykins, you rebel\n<diddledan> daftykins, yeah I don't like remote management backdoors\n<daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9868532/\n<daftykins> what a bunch of cruft\n<daftykins> CWMP-S is what i just murdered\n<daftykins> the client looks for firmware but i doubt i'll ever see firmware\n<diddledan> stabby stab stab\n<daftykins> kind of tempting to just run my own device again\n<daftykins> at least i'd be in charge of it, then ;)\n<diddledan> daftykins, telnet!\n<daftykins> yeah that's what i'm logged in over XD\n<daftykins> i doubt it's externally facing ;D\n<daftykins> he says :(\n<diddledan> hope so\n<daftykins> you have to telnet in to dump the IPs it dishes out via DHCP, for DNS... then setup your own\n<daftykins> otherwise if you just add them to the web admin, it always gives out itself as a response in addition\n<daftykins> so buggy :D\n<daftykins> {Administrator}[upgrade]=>lastUpgradeInfo\n<daftykins> Last Upgrade Time : 0001-01-01T00:00:00Z\n<daftykins> :D\n<zmoylan-pi> jesus's was a nipper?\n<zmoylan-pi> so... linux was in alpha then :-P\n<diddledan> I'm not sure but I think that was even before linus made his first announcement\n<daftykins> possibly before Linus learnt the f-word :o\n<diddledan> don't be silly\n<diddledan> linus was born knowing the f-word\n<zmoylan-pi> he always knew the word f...riday\n<diddledan> TGIFriday\n<diddledan> oh dear. new trend sweeping my facebook folk at the mo: they're all posting 7 facts about themselves because someone told them to.\n<daftykins> =|\n<daftykins> sign out, clear your cache, never look back\n<diddledan> lol\n<davmor2> diddledan: you can hear the bleating right?\n<daftykins> it's deafening\n<diddledan> baaa\n<diddledan> omg, did I just do that?!\n<diddledan> what have people done to me!?\n<zmoylan-pi> block facebook.com at your router, it's the only way to be sure\n<diddledan> but. my \"friends\"!\n<zmoylan-pi> friends don't let friends use facebook\n<diddledan> I don't \"let\" them, they do it without my consent\n<zmoylan-pi> just means you're not administrating enough punishment beatings to me :-P\n<diddledan> and we're back to the bondage again\n<diddledan> see, DJones, it's not just me :-p\n<zmoylan-pi> you don't need to tie them up to administer a beating\n<diddledan> lol\n<diddledan> semantics\n<zmoylan-pi> no, actions\n<mapps> hi all\n<brobostigon> evening mapps\n<DJones> Remind me not to watch \"Slash - made in stoke\" and to try headbanging along with the music with a shaved head\n<mapps> hey brobostigon\n<mapps> time to watch arrow:D\n<brobostigon> :)\n<mapps> u watch arrow?\n<brobostigon> i do not,\n<mapps> o\n<mapps> off to work back later\n<mapps> cya\n<Picada> Heyy\n#ubuntu-uk 2016-01-25\n<m0nkey_> Anyone else using BTSync? Do you have 'Pro' and is it worth it?\n<mapps> nie\n<mapps> yay\n<mapps> going ukraine in march\n<mapps> :D\n<\\sv> for the second time in history i get to ask with genuine meaning; east or west mapps ?\n<mapps> going to kyiv and lyiv\n<mapps> so west\n<\\sv> :) ahh cool\n * \\sv wonders how long before a wall\n<mapps> tbh i think we will have soviet unin again in 20yrs\n<mapps> russia isnt happy\n<\\sv> mapps, im not sure how approriate politics is for a logged ubuntu chnnel\n<mapps> true\n<mapps> if you have never been\n<mapps> you should:)\n * \\sv hops in a tardis\n<\\sv> ussr here i came\n<mapps> har har\n<knightwise> morning\n<\\sv> morning knightwise\n<knightwise> yoyo\n<knightwise> how are you doing ,\n<zmoylan-pi> just remember to be careful out there, it's monday...\n<MooDoo> morning all\n<knightwise> hey MooDoo\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<knightwise> hey brobostigon\n<brobostigon> morning knightwise\n<davmor2> Morning all\n<MooDoo> morning mate\n<davmor2> MooDoo: How am ya mucka\n<JamesTait> Good evening all! Have a rotten Monday, and a terrible Opposite Day! ð\n<knightwise> Why thanx JamesTait\n<JamesTait> Noisy in here today.\n<MooDoo> davmor2: I'm ok thanks :) what about your good self?\n<davmor2> MooDoo: too busy but wonderful thanks :)\n<MooDoo> good good :)\n<diplo> Anyone know if it's possible to install/utilise udisk1 rather than 2 on 15.10 ?\n<diplo> They've removed loads of functionality from udisks2 :/\n<davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xweiQukBM_k\n<foobarry> does anyone here own a metal detector?\n<zmoylan-pi> i have the tricorder app for android which uses the compass to see variances in magnetic field... :-)\n<zmoylan-pi> i can show people my metal hip... :-D\n<_Sponge> Godd afternoon !\n<_Sponge> ***Good\n<_Sponge> How was the UbuCon ?\n<MooDoo> well from all the posts I've seen online about it, it looked awesome, then again that could of been scale lol\n * \\sv god left the building when some guy decided inequality was a good idea\n<diddledan> davmor2 I really have no idea where you pull these songs out from\n<diddledan> speaking of ubucon and scale - are any videos going to be posted I wonder?\n<foobarry> is \"datacenter\" the accepted UK spelling too?\n<diddledan> no\n<diddledan> datacentre\n<foobarry> ta\n<davmor2> diddledan: memory mostly :)\n<davmor2> diddledan: sometimes you have to pervert them for a good cause mostly because I think JamesTait picks the most obscure day to catch me out :)\n<davmor2> diddledan: I'm waiting for irony day so I can ironically point to ironic by alanis morrisette :D\n<diddledan> lol and lol\n<foobarry> i'm gonna blow your minds\n<foobarry> who wants their minds blown\n * davmor2 beats foobarry isn't\n<davmor2> bets even\n<foobarry> https://asciinema.org/\n<foobarry> check it out\n<foobarry> console screencasts in tiny files including copy paste\n<foobarry> amazeballs.\n<foobarry> i use a local version onsite and do tutorials and examples and workshops using it\n<dogmatic69_> hi all\n<davmor2> dogmatic69_: Hello\n<dogmatic69_> I have not used my PC for a week or two, just started it up and it wont boot :/\n<dogmatic69_> VFS: cant find root or something\n<dogmatic69_> sup davmor2\n<davmor2> dogmatic69_: congratulations on breaking your system\n<dogmatic69_> :(\n<dogmatic69_> I have not done anything\n<dogmatic69_> VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)\n<davmor2> dogmatic69_: I'm only teasing, might be a issue with the drive have a look at checkfs\n<dogmatic69_> can I do that from grub, or livedisk....\n<davmor2> dogmatic69_: have a look online for the error and see if I'm right first don't want you running something and making it worse, it isn't an error I've hit before\n<dogmatic69_> only things I can find is \"I fixed this with a format and reinstall\"\n<dogmatic69_> :/\n<davmor2> dogmatic69_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1751574\n<dogmatic69_> been on that one\n<dogmatic69_> ls (hd0,1)/boot/grub # Should see a lot of *.mod files\n<dogmatic69_> I get errors :/\n<dogmatic69_> busy building a live USB\n<davmor2> https://www.maketecheasier.com/check-repair-filesystem-fsck-linux/\n<dogmatic69_> doubt any HDD will work after having a multimeter poking around its internals :D\n<dogmatic69_> gah live disk wont even boot\n<dogmatic69_> after I pick 'try before you buy' it just goes blank. LCD starts blinking its led like there is no source\n<dogmatic69_> right, so live disk wont even work....\n#ubuntu-uk 2016-01-26\n<mapps> hi all\n<MooDoo> morning all\n<davmor2> Morning all\n<JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Australia Day! ð\n<JamesTait> No Men At Work or Neighbours theme tune, thank you. ð\n<JamesTait> davmor2, that means you!\n<davmor2> pfff\n<davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwlxeYA1SQI\n<davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D-LmRNdQiQ\n<davmor2> JamesTait: I think that covers you pretty well, one is not neighbours and the other isn't Men At Work :P\n<JamesTait> Oh, I forgot about Home & Away (understandable).\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<MooDoo> morning brobostigon\n<brobostigon> morning MooDoo\n<davmor2> morning brobostigon\n<davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka\n<MooDoo> davmor2: ello ow am ya!?\n<brobostigon> morning davmor2\n<davmor2> MooDoo: Am good ta, 'ow am yow?\n<MooDoo> davmor2: I'm coping :)\n<davmor2> MooDoo: oh that good hey :) cheer yourself up and listen to absolute 80's :)\n<MooDoo> davmor2: yeah that'll do it for now lol\n<MooDoo> :)\n<foobarry> whats the word i'm looking for\n<foobarry> if i want another way to say that i want editorial control over changes to a website to achieve a harmonious writing style across the site\n<foobarry> instead of harmonious\n<foobarry> consistent look and feel ?\n<foobarry> that should do. thanks guys\n<davmor2> foobarry: don't mention it.....no no really don't ;)\n<_Sponge> Blustery day here. Rain on , than off, then on again ...\n<davmor2> _Sponge: so England then\n<_Sponge> No ManxLand.\n<_Sponge> not that it matters.\n<_Sponge> Did anyone see that FairTaxTown documentary on the Beeb ?\n<_Sponge> My friend, the Lady from the Isle of Man, was on that.\n<awilkins> I did\n<awilkins> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06ygl19\n<awilkins> TLDW : Yes, it's perfectly possible for small businesses to use the same tax-avoidance schemes as the big boys\n<awilkins> TBH I think the only thing that will get HMRC and the government to fix the situation is when someone commercializes tax-avoidance for small business\n<awilkins> Given that 99% of businesses in the UK are small businesses, there's a market there\n<directhex> wasn't that what the did at the end?\n<directhex> selling their \"fair tax town\" formula?\n<awilkins> I don't think they actually went through with it\n<awilkins> Currently they are still on the Light Side of the Tax\n<awilkins> They created a viable tax avoidance scheme but are only using it as a campaigning tool right now AFAICT\n<awilkins> The ringleader is running for head of the HMRC board\n<awilkins> https://www.change.org/p/consider-steve-lewis-for-next-chief-executive-of-hmrc-board-peoplestaxman\n<awilkins> From their front page : \"The Fair Tax Town Scheme is designed to put us in a strong negotiating position with HMRC, and not to avoid taxâ¦\"\n<awilkins> Actually using the tax avoidance scheme would presumably be the nuclear option\n<knightwise> yo peeps\n<zmoylan-pi> o/\n<knightwise> hey zmoylan-pi how are you due\n<zmoylan-pi> better than your autocorrect? :-)\n<knightwise> Haha :)\n<knightwise> Fewwy Funnah\n<zmoylan-pi> proper keyboards for the non abbreviated win \\o/\n<knightwise> The one on my mbp is big enough .. i just type too fast\n<zmoylan-pi> no such thing as typing too fast... merely a computer too slow to keep up\n<davmor2> zmoylan-pi: stop using that zx81 and use something a little more modern you know like an amiga or atari then ;)\n<zmoylan-pi> a zx81? do you think i'm made of money... ::hugs zx80::\n<davmor2> hahahaha\n<zmoylan-pi> and stay away from those new fangled ram packs... nothing but wobble... :-)\n<zmoylan-pi> i was tempted when i saw someone had connect a zx spectrum to twitter till i saw the network card used had a more powerful processor than the speccy\n<davmor2> I liked the guy that turned the raspi into a 48k emulator and installed it in an old spectrum I thought that was genius and all so he could play jetset willy :)\n<zmoylan-pi> it's not the same using a pc keyboard in an emulator somehow...\n<zmoylan-pi> maplins sell a fuse keyboard that is very reminiscent of the bbc keyboard. tempting but too expensive\n<davmor2> ah the good old bbc micro :) whisks me back to school :)\n<MooDoo> used to play chucky egg or frak on our bbc at schoo :)\n<davmor2> we weren't really allowed to play games on them except for adventure games as those meant you read stuff as they were all text based :)\n<mapps> hm new x files was ok\n<diddledan> mapps: I liked it\n<diddledan> mapps: way to cluster filesystem-check our collective minds :-p\n<diddledan> everything we thought we knew about the cannon of the x-files⦠nope, youâre wrong\n<awilkins> Mulder : now a skeptic\n<awilkins> Scully : Enrolled in a commune in the Nevada desert that wears tinfoil hats and sends messages to aliens by drinking phosphorescent chemicals and peeing pictograms onto the vast desert mesa\n<awilkins> Smoking Man : wears a nicotine patch\n<awilkins> Lone Gunmen : all happily married\n<diddledan> awilkins: lmao\n<moreati> awilkins: married to other people, or to each other?\n<bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)\n<popey> hi bigcalm\n<popey> no lag on steamlink even on wifi here\n<bigcalm> popey: I haven't used mine for some time now, might have improved\n<popey> i just booted it up, did an OTA update and played GTA5\n<popey> didn't notice\n<bigcalm> popey: the issue I, and directhex, found was that now and then there would be a freeze in game play. Followed by restored game play, but the last action of the controller repeated many times.\n<bigcalm> Resulting in walking off ledges in Lego games mostly\n<popey> maybe I haven't played long enough to trigger that\n<popey> or don't have those games\n<bigcalm> This is over wifi n and LAN over power\n<bigcalm> It wasn't any one game, happens for all streaming things\n<bigcalm> As I say, I haven't used it for some time. Might have been fixed\n<bigcalm> directhex: Steam link still causing lag pockets for you?\n<_Sponge> knightwise: Still there ?\n<mapps> hmm\n<mapps> what to watch\n<brobostigon> the simpsons, :)\n<mapps> heh\n * davmor2 just leaves this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0N4twV28Mw\n<diddledan> Iâve started on the hot-crossed buns already - itâs not even february!\n<davmor2> diddledan: dude that is so wrong\n<diddledan> :-p\n<diddledan> yet it feels so right\n<davmor2> you simply shouldn't stop eating hot-cross buns :)\n<zmoylan-pi> -5 points for use of the word dude... unless you work(ed) for dell... :-P\n<davmor2> zmoylan-pi: -5 for the use of that word that I use all the time :P\n<mapps> heh\n<mapps> lol shock numerous people claiming they had the 33mil winning ticket\n<diddledan> do they really think that camelot wonât check?\n<mapps> who knows, some people ust want attention from papers/tv\n<mapps> how could camelot check though if you bought the ticket in a shop and then chucked it away\n<diddledan> they wonât pay if you donât have the ticket IIRC\n<mapps> ya i thought so..so saying you binned it or washed it\n<zmoylan-pi> just attach the genital electrodes and put them through lie detector test... not saying it's accurate but will thin the herd... :-D\n<mapps> means it goes unclaimed right?\n<mapps> how did this 21 yr old die..says she got wdged between 2 sofas on a drinking session?!\n<diddledan> o_O\n<mapps> some young girl travelling in australia\n<mapps> said she was on beta blockers and a history of palpitations..still seems odd\n<mapps> caught the end of murder games bbc3 docu drama about a 14yr old groomed by an 18yr old\n<mapps> pretty sad story;/\n<diddledan> mapps: lucifer is fun\n<mapps> i was looking at that earlier as it happens\n<diddledan> just watching the first ep\n<mapps> started 'power' ..heard of it? it sounded whack\n<mapps> but 7.8 , 8.2/10 on tv.com/imdb\n<diddledan> donât think I know that one\n<mapps> so figured id give it a try...directed by 50 cent\n<mapps> ima download the bbc3 doc, it's strange to think something as innocent as playing games could endup in murder\n<zmoylan-pi> did you not notice all the gun fighting over cards in westerns?\n<mapps> heh\n<mapps> but i mean this is young kids being groomed over game forums and team speak stuff\n<mapps> must be so many vile people lurking on forums/server trying to groom kids, impossible to get a #\n<diddledan> mapps: I want to know why I havenât been groomed by any vile people. Iâm most disappointed\n<mapps> you want to be? to troll them i assume?\n<mapps> or report them\n<diddledan> mapps: itâs just that I must be offensive or something\n<mapps> heh\n<diddledan> ooh, just spooted the credit on lucifer - itâs exec produced by jerry bruckheimer\n<mapps> i thought i saw lucifer mentioned months back..maybe it was a pre air\n<diddledan> I mentioned it a while back when I saw the pre-air trailer\n<mapps> aha47\n<diddledan> apparently itâs perfectly acceptible for the fbi to run child-porn sites: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/judge-rules-fbi-running-child-porn-site-for-13-days-was-not-outrageous-conduct-playpen\n<zmoylan-pi> and the nsa's giant hoovering up of all data probably is largest child porn collection\n<mapps> hmm\n<mapps> a honeypot diddledan?\n<zmoylan-pi> who knew basic was evil... :-) https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2016/jan/25/johnny-cashs-basic-threat/\n<mapps> cya work time\n#ubuntu-uk 2016-01-27\n<_Sponge> Still up ?\n<_Sponge> www.FreiendsReunited.co.uk just went bust ... https://medium.com/@liife/the-story-so-far-3c312f885fb2#.1waxlsmvn\n<_Sponge> The creator sold it to ITV for £125 million in 2005.\n<_Sponge> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_Reunited\n<_Sponge> Sad to see it go.\n<_Sponge> Could it run as a semi-offline App in Ubuntu ?\n<_Sponge> Probably worth £10 grand or so.\n * _Sponge wonders how messaging would work with six-weekly updates ?\n<_Sponge> Probably so few people using it that you'd run the whole messaging service on about 20MegaBytes.\n<mapps> morning\n<mapps> kinda sad, wonder why it failed\n<mapps> when facebook became so big\n<knightwise> hey mapps\n<mapps> sup mate\n<knightwise> doin ok ; how bout you ?\n<mapps> not bad:)\n<MooDoo> howdy all\n<knightwise> heya MooDoo\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<davmor2> Morning all\n<bittin-> morning\n<MooDoo> morning\n<knightwise> hey MooDoo\n<JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Chocolate Cake Day! ð ð\n<davmor2> JamesTait: well this was easy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQCQnARnKbc\n<JamesTait> davmor2, that's just chocolate though. Where's my cake?\n<davmor2> JamesTait: the cake is a lie but if you must https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOMSZQ7RacQ\n<davmor2> JamesTait: or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMgU5B2TZIA\n<JamesTait> davmor2, I think my ears are bleeding.\n<davmor2> JamesTait: Hey you wanted cake I told you the cake was a lie :)\n<foobarry> can i put /quote PASS in my irssi config?\n<foobarry> to automatically login and pass\n<Myrtti> for freenode?\n<Myrtti> or in general?\n<foobarry> for each irc net , but irc.net in particular because i keep getting disconnected and losing connection\n<foobarry> and it isn't logging me back in automagically\n<Myrtti> If freenode, check http://freenode.net/sasl/\n<Myrtti> ircnet has a password? that's new\n<foobarry> oh, my bouncer does\n<foobarry> thanks\n<Myrtti> also /help network\n<\\s__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14678503/ HUH?\n<\\s__> why is 91.189.91.15 down? (it isnt)\n<directhex> it's not\n<\\s__> yeah but it says it is\n<directhex> it says 404\n<\\s__> 404 means not found\n<directhex> yes.\n<directhex> because utopic (14.10) isn't available on the upgrade server any more\n<\\s__> 404 not found thus down but when i go there it isnt\n<\\s__> right?\n<\\s__> so i have to start over in april?\n<directhex> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades\n<\\s__> thats stupid\n<\\s__> urgh\n<directhex> you can upgrade from LTS to LTS (so you can upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04, in april), or you need to do some manual hackery to do 14.04->14.10->15.04->15.10 to do short-term upgrades after some of those short-term releases are EOL\n<\\s__> anual hackery to do 14.04->14.10->15.04->15.10 is what i was trying to do\n<\\s__> im annoyed; im going to go shoot some pharmacuticals (im on cancer drugs.. i may have cancer but heh im still humorous)\n<Myrtti> gee, thanks. Now I've got Elton John's Circle of Life in my head...\n<Myrtti> damnit\n<davmor2> Myrtti: lucky you I have hit me baby one more time stuck in my head\n<Myrtti> well it's not that bad clearly, how hard can babies hit you?\n<davmor2> Myrtti: you might want to try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J2QdDbelmY\n<Myrtti> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Z2BDDogCI\n<davmor2> Myrtti: nice\n<mapps> afternoon\n<Laney> stuuuuuudent loan freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee\n<davmor2> \\o/ ota 9\n<diddledan> Laney: achievement unlocked!\n<Laney> I made a manual payment to do it\n<Laney> martin lewis would have me for breakfast\n<Seeker`> :O\n<Seeker`> I hate the idea of paying off my student loan faster than I have to. I also hate having a student loan. Currently I hate the former more than the latter.\n<Seeker`> I think I've still got ~4k left\n<diddledan> davmor2: +1 on the sweet like chocolate choice\n<davmor2> diddledan: hahaha :)\n<davmor2> Laney: Congratulation dude :) How long did that take?\n<Laney> davmor2: I graduated in 2008 :P\n<Laney> but didn't actually start repaying for a few years after that\n<Seeker`> I graduated in 2008 too. And started repaying that year. Not fair :P\n<davmor2> Laney: that's not too shabby at all then dude well done, what you gonna put that money toward now your house and get your mortgage paid off faster?\n<Laney> ummm\n<Laney> got some \"home improvements\" to get done\n<davmor2> Laney: oh well that's an investment too :)\n<Laney> save up for that canal boat\n<Laney> ohhh yeahhhh\n * Laney is going to retire by 40\n<diddledan> :-o\n<Laney> hahaha as if\n<Laney> good to have dreams though, right?\n<diddledan> I don't think I'll ever be able to retire :-p\n<davmor2> Laney: no you won't you love the pain of software too much ;)\n<diddledan> \\o/ soft wares!\n<diddledan> or should that be warez?\n * diddledan shows his 90s illegal download knowledge\n<Laney> davmor2: then I'll cruise around the waterways of the UK fixing the bugs that bother *me* and not ones which QA engineers dig up :P\n<davmor2> Laney: pfff you make it sound like I have to look :P\n<Laney> got to keep each other in work eh\n<Laney> (for now...)\n<diddledan> davmor2: do you attract bugs like daftykins does with hard disks?\n<diddledan> speaky of whom.. where's dafty?\n<davmor2> diddledan: No, no I write the bugs and destroy developers hopes and dreams\n<diddledan> \\o/\n<mapps> hi all\n<davmor2> mapps: hello\n<mapps> hi:D\n<\\sv> freenode.net is down\n<\\sv> its down\n<\\sv> down i tell you\n<zmoylan-pi> ⪠the net came back, the very next day... â«\n<davmor2> gotta love that the PM is blaming Labour for Google not paying it's taxes for 5 years now who have been in power again for the last 5 years.........\n<foobarry> google keyboard sucks\n<foobarry> been using it and putting up for too long. gotta see if swype is still around\n#ubuntu-uk 2016-01-28\n<mapps> hi;[\n<mapps> ;]\n<Guest40989> morning all\n<Guest40989> sigh\n<MooDoo> ah lost connection again\n<Myrtti> MooDoo: srsly, SASL\n<Myrtti> we ordered a hard case for my lappy few days back. Will report how it turns out.\n<Myrtti> http://www.ipearl-inc.com/dell-xps13.html\n<MooDoo> Myrtti: nah it's more my virgin media connection, it drops out for a bit then ah i don't know lol\n<Myrtti> yes, but if you have SASL, your client with auto authenticate to your account\n<Myrtti> that's the point\n<moreati> and you don't get nickserv /msg ing you every time\n<Myrtti> and you'll authenticate before joining any channels\n<Myrtti> guaranteed, unless services have gone awol\n<davmor2> Morning All\n<MooDoo> morning davmor2\n<JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Data Privacy Day! ð\n<foobarry> hooray for lets encryp\n<foobarry> t\n<MooDoo> foobarry: only if there is a back door thank you very much :)\n<foobarry> hmm\n<foobarry> maybe there is\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n * foobarry wave\n * zmoylan-pi surfs\n<brobostigon> o/\n<SuperMatt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WipM3SAYqK4 - linux sucks 2016 is out!\n<davmor2> JamesTait: Got you covered bro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5p-uspcgRY\n<brobostigon> https://github.com/zalun/mercurius-irssi/issues/4\n<gh00st> join #corporate\n<\\sv> sasl means i can log into the same account here and not have to og out of my lappy?\n<Myrtti> you can do that even without sasl\n<diddledan> davmor2: I've not heard that tune before - it is a fun one. and very good for the subject of JamesTait's day. good choice!\n<diddledan> SuperMatt: thanks for the linux sucks link - I love those presentations.. watching in a mo\n<davmor2> diddledan: it's not the version I was looking for, I think the version I knew was like late 70's early 80's but it was the same lyrics so it did :) The version I had took in the back of my mind was a bit more pop-y\n<diddledan> the resurgence of proprietary causes neckbeards to say \"and we woulda gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids\" :-p\n<diddledan> linux voice want to make a book: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1644407908/beep-beep-yarr\n<m0nkey_> Evenin\n<diddledan> ello m0nkey_\n<diddledan> the mains voltage has been strangely high of late - my UPS currently says the mains is at 248 right now\n<m0nkey_> diddledan: it can go anywhere between 210 and 260 from my experience.\n<m0nkey_> It's the amps that you have to worry about\n * zmoylan-pi remembers vividly the thud as my father was flipped across the room by step down transformer he made to increase the amps of house voltage\n<m0nkey_> Amps is the killer, not volts.\n<m0nkey_> I've eaten 240V and 13A and survived. However, my arm hurt for a few days. It's not fun being electrocuted.\n<diddledan> TV repair men regularly got 30kV belts off the UHT\n<diddledan> (have I got the right acronym there?)\n<diddledan> maybe I mean the LOPT?\n<m0nkey_> if it dont contain the amps, it'll hurt but wont kill.\n<m0nkey_> but yeah, the old tube tv's.. had fun in our local tv repair shop, was my dad's friend.\n<diddledan> aye\n<m0nkey_> arcing voltages to a grounded screwdriver.. fun times :)\n<diddledan> these days everyone is scared of anything over 50V as though high-voltage is evil\n<diddledan> (dad's in the trade so he hears all the nonsensical stuff :-p)\n<m0nkey_> heh, i knew a sparky that would often invite me to hold either the positive or nagative 240V mains line :)\n<m0nkey_> perfectly safe if you are wearing rubble soles and only holding one of the two\n<m0nkey_> rubble?\n<m0nkey_> lol\n<m0nkey_> rubber\n<m0nkey_> although rubble would also be non-conductive\n<zmoylan-pi> if it's dry\n<zmoylan-pi> i've been electrocuted by mains and it was nothing to the pain i got from shock from piezo spark from cigarette lighter. my arm was ached for entire day\n<diddledan> zmoylan-pi: ouch @ the piezo\n<m0nkey_> anyway, back to work for me\n<m0nkey_> back later\n<zmoylan-pi> as a curious kid i placed a wire in to see if the spark was powerful.... you live and learn :-)\n<diddledan> tata\n<czajkowski> aloha\n<diddledan> a million ways to die in the west: very fun film\n<diddledan> there's a nice cameo by Christopher Lloyd\n<m0nkey_> the hot topic of Montreal right now.. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/burgundy-lion-oqlf-1.3423616\n<mapps> went and registered for my gibraltar id card yay\n<mapps> one fool says 'are you registerring to become giraltarian' uh no what would be the point..0 dfff to being british\n * m0nkey_ is a confirmed Canadian\n<diddledan> m0nkey_: the Quebecoise are a bit odd like that\n<diddledan> \"how dare you use words!\"\n<m0nkey_> I'm not a girl\n<m0nkey_> It's Quebecois\n<diddledan> oops\n<diddledan> sorry me :-p\n<mapps> youre canadian?\n<diddledan> he is now\n<mapps> my friend here is, from winnipeg\n<mapps> aka winterpeg\n<mapps> ;]\n<diddledan> mormon decided to renounce brutishness :-p\n<diddledan> err\n<diddledan> britishness**\n<m0nkey_> I'm a card carrying Brit and Canadian.\n<mapps> dual citizenship i imagine\n<diddledan> what about geekistan?\n<diddledan> I made my own geek membership card.. I'm not sure that counts\n<mapps> lol\n<gebbione> hi all, somehow recently i experience something strange, while lots of apps are open some sort of panic happens and the ubuntu machine locks out the account ... when entering again i have lost all apps\n<gebbione> i.e. it is like a new session\n<\\sv> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14691668/ what happening\n#ubuntu-uk 2016-01-29\n<m0nkey_> I've decided I've gone slightly nuts\n<m0nkey_> I'm installing ESXi on a Intel Celeron machine, where I injected the Realtek NIC driver.\n<m0nkey_> Yes, that nuts.\n<diddledan> java plugin is dead: https://blogs.oracle.com/java-platform-group/entry/moving_to_a_plugin_free\n<diddledan> m0nkey_: I think you're beyond help there\n<m0nkey_> Well, it installed and is on the network\n<diddledan> wow\n<diddledan> I didn't know ESXi even did that (installation. and network. whodatunkit?)\n<m0nkey_> admittedly, it's only ESXi 5.5.. 6.0 wont run\n<m0nkey_> Heck, getting 5.5 on it is a win for me\n<diddledan> I thought getting ESXi in general was win\n<diddledan> or lose. depending on your perspective :-p\n<m0nkey_> i've been screwing around with proxmox, xenserver, kvm on debian, etc.. but i just like esxi\n<m0nkey_> and we start installing a debian VM :)\n<m0nkey_> diddledan, it was crazy.. but it's working\n<diddledan> \\o/\n<m0nkey_> got a couple of VMs going, it seems perfectly happy\n<m0nkey_> diddledan, you downloading something?\n<diddledan> erm\n<m0nkey_> maybe it's not you :)\n<diddledan> nope\n<diddledan> I was having trouble with a video conference the other day too\n<m0nkey_> nvm.. i know who it is now :)\n<diddledan> oh it's your end?\n<m0nkey_> yeah\n<m0nkey_> I know who it is leaching shit off me now :)\n<m0nkey_> Anyway, tis my bedtime\n<diddledan> nn\n<m0nkey_> night fella\n<\\sv> m0nkey_,\n<diddledan> how does that work? negative interest rates in japanland?!\n<diddledan> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/27/vmware_fusion_and_workstation_development_team_fired/\n<mapps> hi all\n<mapps> sup7\n<\\sv> seriously.... all i want is a vacuum i dont have carpets. whys that hard?\n<MooDoo> morning all\n<\\sv> MooDoo, mornin\n<Guest62408> morning peeps\n<knightwise> Tron Soundtrack ,Headphones, terminal window .... #amiahackeryet ?\n<MooDoo> knightwise: no, it's not 2am ;)\n<zmoylan-pi> it is somewhere on the planet\n<MooDoo> HACK THE PLANET HACK THE PLANET\n * zmoylan-pi listens to wind outside and settles for nailing bits of it down instead...\n<davmor2> Morning all\n<MooDoo> morning davmor2\n<JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Fun At Work Day! ð\n<MooDoo> it's only fun as it's friday\n<davmor2> JamesTait: how about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBShN8qT4lk\n<zmoylan-pi> today is watch people using umbrellas impersonate mary poppins day...\n<knightwise> zmoylan-piha\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<knightwise> hey brobostigon\n<brobostigon> hi knightwise\n<MooDoo> howdy\n<knightwise> Ranger is a pretty sweet filebrowser :)\n * brobostigon neds to write up a bug on ubuntu touch, r227 breaks bluetooth.\n<brobostigon> needs*\n<popey> brobostigon, i think it's known. saw someone else mention it\n<brobostigon> popey: ah ok, thats good its known.\n<popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/libhybris/+bug/1539566\n<lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 1539566 in Canonical System Image \"Bluetooth dead on mako and flo.\" [Critical,New]\n<brobostigon> ah thank you.\n<davmor2> yay my bug is popular who'd of thunk it\n<davmor2> brobostigon: 227 on what channel\n<brobostigon> davmor2: rc-proposed.\n<davmor2> brobostigon: what device?\n<brobostigon> mako\n<davmor2> brobostigon: so it is the bq-aquaris channel not the rc-proposed channel phew yeap same issue, libhybris broked it should be fixed on Tuesday image, or you can roll back 3 images if you need bt working now\n<brobostigon> davmor2: http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en/mako/ it seems to be that channel. ah i see, oh dear. thank you.\n<diddledan> morning\n<davmor2> diddledan: Morning\n<davmor2> MOOOOOOO!\n<diddledan> dooooo\n<davmor2> diddledan: :)\n<shauno> revisting an old question .. any recommendations for email apps on ubuntu phone yet? (other than dekko ..)\n<diddledan> omg\n * diddledan prods shauno to see if the apparition is real\n<shauno> moo.\n<diddledan> o/\n<diddledan> I think the standard answer is \"just use dekko\"\n<diddledan> though I don't really know much about the phone\n<shauno> I've tried, it doesn't work\n<shauno> (it gets an \"unexpectedhere: could not parse list: expected a list\" when it tries to list folders. apparently dovecot's a little too esoteric for it)\n<diddledan> weird\n<shauno> my phone's off being fixed, so this is all I've got 'till friday. and .. well I didn't expect much. but it still didn't deliver\n<shauno> sms works though! that was first on my very short list. 3g kinda works, once you figure out how to trick it into working. email doesn't, and jabber doesn't exist.\n<diddledan> :-(\n<diddledan> grade C-: must try harder?\n<zmoylan-pi> no web interface for the email service?\n * zmoylan-pi slums it with gmail in opera since ms killed the nokia mail service that was a nice little app\n<diddledan> opera? oh yeah, you use idiots phones\n<diddledan> :-p\n<zmoylan-pi> wanna play phone conkers? you hit my phone with your phone, i hit your phone with my phone. we'll see which one wins... :-D\n<diddledan> bonkers conkers\n<davmor2> zmoylan-pi: your on http://img.wonderhowto.com/img/74/32/63440132340612/0/from-backpack-transceiver-smartphone-visual-history-mobile-phone.w654.jpg :D\n<zmoylan-pi> that's just a battery pack... i reckon my nokia can take it... :-)\n<davmor2> zmoylan-pi: no the whole thing it the phone the receiver part is just that so it is battery and transceiver and aerial etc\n<m6lpi> \\sv: hey\n<davmor2> hello\n<\\sv> m6lpi, hey\n<m6lpi> how goes?\n<\\sv> its ok neil\n<m6lpi> good good\n<popey> ebenink!\n<m6lpi> ?\n<m6lpi> popey: you drunk again ?\n<popey> \"again\"\n<popey> No ossifer, I'm drunk dink\n<m6lpi> though in fairness you were well behaved at oggcamp\n<diddledan> wait, it's Friday.. what are you all doing being social and drinking alcohol for?!\n<diddledan> Friday is coding night\n<diddledan> and Saturday is sleep after coding till 5am\n<diddledan> were there any recordings made of the ubucon@scale?\n<Myrtti> it's also FOSDEM, I'm told\n<Myrtti> so is it the Belgian beer?\n<zmoylan-pi> nah, he's drinking imported british beer... :-)\n<diddledan> beeer\n<diddledan> I have none :-(\n<brobostigon> :(\n * brobostigon points at his crate of franziskaner in the kitchen, and gets diddledan one.\n<diddledan> \\o/\n<brobostigon> :)\n<diddledan> danke\n<diddledan> beer. good. me. drink.\n<diddledan> man. grr.\n<brobostigon> :)\n<brobostigon> yw.\n<diddledan> omg, blade runner was set 3 years from now and one of the replicants was created this year\n<diddledan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Blade_Runner_characters#Roy_Batty\n<zmoylan-pi> and they're making a sequel...\n<zmoylan-pi> though i can't see any sequel making all the fans happy\n<diddledan> :-(\n<diddledan> they ruined it already with the many reedits, didn't they?\n<zmoylan-pi> well.... if you don't like one version of blade runner you can always wait for the next one... :-)\n<zmoylan-pi> the first one was special as there was nothing else like it at the time...\n<zmoylan-pi> first dvd i bought when i finally got a dvd player...\n<diddledan> I think the first DVD I acquired was a bundled jobby with my DVD drive\n<diddledan> specifically sphere, iirc\n<diddledan> I had the blade runner game as the first DVD-based game that I played\n#ubuntu-uk 2016-01-30\n<mapps> hi\n<\\sv> can i invoice hmrc for time taken to do a tax return?\n * \\sv will invoice them 46.87p for the time taken. it is nothing but mere coincidence that i owe £46.86p in tax\n<zmoylan-pi> because civil servants have such a sense of humour they won't put you on list for full investigation...\n<\\sv> well... it'dcost them more than theyd get\n<\\sv> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14729306/ show my working\n<zmoylan-pi> i don't think you understand their methods yet....\n<\\sv> no i dont\n<\\sv> anyone able to help?\n<Myrtti> It's not worth your time. just pay up.\n<\\sv> Myrtti, i worked out i owe less than 10 quid actially. but thats before i apply for tax rebate/deductions\n<ali1234> if you want to make life difficult for HMRC, try to make it so that what you owe them or they owe you is 99p or less\n<ali1234> but not exactly zero\n<ali1234> especially if they owe it to you, because they won't ever actually pay it because it is less than £1\n<ali1234> but they'll send you lots of extra paperwork for no reason, which you can completely ignore\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n * awilkins admires his multiscreen setup and plays spotify:track:5ypA0RZ7Wdis2a9QtSTL54\n<foobarry> https://www.packtpub.com/packt/offers/free-learning might be of use to unity engine ppl\n<locodir-user> Hello\n<locodir-user> Is anyone online?\n<guestiguess> Hello?\n<guestiguess> Is anyone online?\n<bashrc> I am, but not paying much attention to irc\n<ali1234> if i post to a facebook group and the admin deletes it, can i still see the post?\n<ali1234> answer: no\n<knightwise> hey guys\n<diddledan> evening\n<penguin42> indeed it is\n * penguin42 wonders when the phone exchange codes changed to numerical prefixes; there's an old shop being renovated and has a letter prefix on it\n#ubuntu-uk 2016-01-31\n<mapps> 3 eps left s2 of power\n<knightwise> morning mapps\n<knightwise> started watching \"the expanse\" yesterday\n<knightwise> not a bad show\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<MooDoo> morning\n<brobostigon> morning MooDoo\n<MooDoo> :)\n<brobostigon> :)\n<mapps> hi all;]\n<mapps> on last ep of power now yay\n<mapps> s2e10 cool show\n<SuperEngineer> Since reinstal of 14.04.03 I have a niggle... I'm sure clicking icon on active app in Launcher used to minimise the app. Now it doesn't. WTF did I not set correctly? [my brain, perhaps?]\n<SuperEngineer> [& morning, peeps] ;-)\n<moreati> SuperEngineer: https://askubuntu.com/questions/36433/can-i-use-the-unity-launcher-icon-to-minimize-applications-windows/436542#436542\n * SuperEngineer checks it out - ta moreati \n<moreati> for those on 15.10 http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2015/10/ubuntu-1510-minimize-click/\n<SuperEngineer> ooooooo.... works again [me a happy bunny now]\n<SuperEngineer> Thanks, moreati - I obviously loost my googlefoo at the same time as the setting ;-)\n<czajkowski> aloha\n * SuperEngineer minimises windows for the fun of it... because now I can again\n<MooDoo> ooo netsplit\n * penguin42 throws MooDoo a very long network cable\n<MooDoo> pendulum: I'm ok :)\n * penguin42 swings too and fro\n<SuperEngineer> penguin42 is now known as pendulum\n<diddledan> hello\n<penguin42> hi\n#ubuntu-uk 2017-01-23\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<SuperMatt> morning\n<SuperMatt> lovely weather we're having\n<brobostigon> lovely weather, lolz,\n<SuperMatt> Looks like the fog is slowly getting thinner\n<davmor2> Morning all\n<SuperMatt> g'day\n<CoderEurope> G'Morning Brexiteers.\n<JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy Handwriting Day! ð ð\n<davmor2> JamesTait: I think this song mentions writing more than most https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4 and this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzDnsjYv9A\n<diddledan> I do love that disturbed cover of the sound of silence\n<diddledan> this thread makes me angry https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2017-January/017274.html\n<diddledan> specifically the repeated pattern of the author across many threads\n<diddledan> the person seems to be very confrontational. and they like ranting long diatribes in some emails expecting people to read it all\n<SuperMatt> I kinda get what his problem is though. There's a bug with lvm, and he just wants a fix backported to 16.04\n<diddledan> I wouldn't say it's a bug to trample your data when you copy an active-in-use filesystem\n<davmor2> here's the big question why would you duplicate UUID's the Unique part right there at the front kinda says there shouldn't be duplicates of it :D\n<diddledan> exactly. dding an lvm is a bad idea\n<diddledan> lvm provides facilities for copying data\n<diddledan> having two disks/partitions with the same UUID surely falls into undefined behaviour territory\n<diddledan> so complaining that behaviour is weird when the behaviour is undefined seems a bit.. silly?\n<davmor2> I hit this serveral times before I figured it out with my backup schema. I would install ubuntu server everything worked, I would dump on my backup and everything broke...turns out /etc points to uuids quite a lot in Ubuntu and the uuid had changes killing the system :D\n<SebthreeBQM10HD> hi\n#ubuntu-uk 2017-01-24\n<KnightW0rk> morning\n<davmor2> Morning all\n<SuperMatt> Good morning\n<SuperMatt> I need more sleep and water\n<andylockran> Morning guys\n * davmor2 thinks SuperMatt is actually AquaMan \n<diddledan> allo\n<SuperMatt> I'm not Aquaman!\n<SuperMatt> I'm totally better\n<davmor2> nah not if your only sleeping in the water you're not :P\n<SuperMatt> I want sleep *and* water, not sleep *in* water\n<JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Compliment Day! ð\n<diddledan> JamesTait: you're great at these day of the day\n<JamesTait> Why thank you! I love what you've done with your hair today.\n<diddledan> bedhair ftw\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<davmor2> JamesTait: I think this covers it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WybiA263bw\n<diddledan> 200 squiddlers for an acer 4K 24inch monika: http://www.ebuyer.com/700238-acer-cb240hyk-24-ips-ultra-hd-4k-monitor-um-qb0ee-001\n<davmor2> diddledan: I was just reading that self same email :)\n<davmor2> diddledan: £64 saving isn't to be sniffed at either :)\n<diddledan> ooh, late nite linux episode 2 is podcasted\n<foobarry> how can i tell if a windows PC has a certain update installed?\n<foobarry> running wuapp and searcing installed updates doesn't show it\n<diddledan> no idea\n<knightw0rk> hey everyone\n<davmor2> foobarry: you know this is Ubuntu-UK right not windows uk ;)\n<foobarry> not sure where else to ask...\n<foobarry> i haven't used windows properly for 15+ yrs\n<knightw0rk> what was your question foobarry\n<popey> foobarry: windows 10? it has a history list in windows update which lists all the updates\n<foobarry> 8.1\n<popey> oh, no idea\n<foobarry> the history list seems to list only up to 2015\n<popey> never used 8\n<foobarry> its possible that 1) nobody is updating 2) they do something funky with the images since they are VMs\n<diddledan> if it's a new VM then the image it was created-from was probably minted in 2015\n<foobarry> thats a worry if true\n<diddledan> it's a hassle updating base images for Windows mass-distribution\n<foobarry> not if its your full time job\n<diddledan> IIRC you need to install it on a system and bypass the OOBE system on first-boot-after-install, do all the updates required, do any other stuff required to customise the base image, run sysprep and finally create an image.\n<diddledan> it's several hours work\n<foobarry> yes, enough time since 2015 surely\n * diddledan twiddles his thumbs waiting for delivery man\n<davmor2> diddledan: I kidnapped him knowing you were waiting on something\n<diddledan> grr\n<davmor2> muhahahahahahahaha\n<diddledan> the expanse season 2 starts next week! \\o/\n<davmor2> I didn't see season 1 ;)\n<diddledan> it's awesome\n<diddledan> I love the realism\n<diddledan> parcel arrived\n<diddledan> it's plugged-in and running. I have a working ups again\n<daftykins> \\o/\n<daftykins> i'm still without a shower ;) timber treatment fella is coming over tomorrow to assess the damage\n<davmor2> I'm gonna laugh my ass off if he walks in, deep inhales and says yes that is damaged :D\n<daftykins> :D\n<daftykins> well it's a bit more than that, 1) active furniture beetle (woodworm) 2) rotten AND woodworm eaten joist 3) listed property\n<diddledan> listed in the \"condemned\" column :-p\n<daftykins> well, the room floor will be hopefully \\o/\n<daftykins> i've been doing jobs for my wealthy clients boat guy at the mo, check out the formers boat up in a warehouse :D https://www.dropbox.com/s/cvcchzlswwhdtja/VID_20170124_142418.mp4?dl=0\n<daftykins> https://youtu.be/DHLP0eyXsSo?t=311 now THAT is a shower for a small room like mine :>\n<zmoylan-pi> but then you'd have a slippery part of the floor in one part of the room a few times per day depending on the number of times it is in use... but very interesting design\n<davmor2> daftykins: I have a problem with that video it showed no shower :)\n<zmoylan-pi> and the panels would have to be lower than the shower head and controls as they would protrude from the wall... but still possible\n<diddledan> https://twitter.com/emgent/status/823945790561382400\n<diddledan> oh dear symantec issuing fake certs again: https://www.scmagazine.com/once-again-symantec-spotted-improperly-issuing-certs/article/633266/\n<daftykins> davmor2: ok it was more an enclosure :P\n<davmor2> daftykins: the video after shows you it as a shower\n<daftykins> i don't allow autoplay so i'm not sure which one would've followed\n<davmor2> daftykins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLmOrg79a5o\n<daftykins> haha yeah it actually isn't hugely practical when you have to keep moving the shower head :>\n<zmoylan-pi> should be possible to make a shower head that moves out of the way as doors are closed over\n<daftykins> aww yeah another new client \\o/\n<daftykins> help pay for the bathroom drama this ;)\n<zmoylan-pi> you'll be able to celebrate by brewing up some bathtub gin... :-P\n<daftykins> woohoo!\n<popey> ali1234: seen http://www.savethedate.foo/ ? seems like a puzzle up your street\n<ali1234> doesnt work in firefox :/\n<daftykins> this just looks like a copy of zahada, which a mate of mine made\n<daftykins> http://www.mcgov.co.uk/zahadamore.php\n<ali1234> number 4 is an actual puzzle tho\n<ali1234> hmm i dont think they expect it to e solved in under two hours\n<diddledan> have you done it?\n<ali1234> hacker news did it\n<diddledan> aha\n<ali1234> its just an advert for google i/o in may\n<diddledan> I figured it was about googley io\n<ali1234> i will have totally forgotten about it by then\n<zmoylan-pi> i'm sure they'll pop an advert or two in your face before then\n#ubuntu-uk 2017-01-25\n<diddledan> this is reassuring: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/824069134363332608\n<diddledan> emergency! kittens! https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/824074862981500929\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<SebthreeBQM10HD> hi\n<davmor2> Morning all\n<SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, morning\n<SuperMatt> good morning\n<SuperMatt> WFH day today :D\n<davmor2> SuperMatt: I almost always do :) I sometimes work from the caravan too :)\n<davmor2> SuperMatt: the commute is aweful right\n<zmoylan-pi> heard of someone who worked during their commute and that time was taken into consideration so an hour each way commute meant only 6 hours in the office per day...\n<JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy A Room Of Oneâs Own Day! ð\n<zmoylan-pi> i'd cheer but i'd wake up a bunch of people... :-P\n<davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Q3mHyzn78\n<SuperMatt> oooh, I'd love a room of my own, but the cat and wife have differenr ideas\n<zmoylan-pi> you just need to set the cat against the wife and while they're fighting go off and find a quiet corner... :-P\n<SuperMatt> They love each other too much\n<zmoylan-pi> never said it would be easy...\n<SuperMatt> It couldn't happen, I'ms sure of it\n<foobarry> can anyone see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1180652 please?\n<lubotu3> Error: Error getting bugzilla.redhat.com bug #1180652: NotPermitted\n<zmoylan-pi> what i'm hearing is that they're so tight that they must be plotting against you... :-P\n<zmoylan-pi> 'you are not authorised to access bug #'...\n<foobarry> my login doesn't seem to work with the bugzilla\n<awilkins> Is there an Ubuntu / Canonical team that has overall responsibility for VPN?\n<SuperMatt> I'm sure they just pull from upstream projects\n<diplo> Hey guys, if you were to change /proc/sys/kernel/pid_max\n<diplo> would you use sysctl or echo value > /proc/sys....\n<diplo> ?\n<diplo> Just a temp test\n<SuperMatt> I think both would work\n<SuperMatt> I would do sysctl myself, because chances are I want it to persist\n<SuperMatt> and I'd write it to /ect/sysctl.conf (or whatever)\n<diplo> yeah it's a issue with our software so it's a quick test on a customer site\n<diplo> Doesn't happen on any other site\n<diplo> Will try sysctl :) thanks\n<foobarry> need a new dishwasher, any recs? needs to be slim\n<zmoylan-pi> ...and run linux? :-P\n<diplo> OK to add to the question above, pid_max - anyone know how the max is calculated? I've got different values on different systems\n<diplo> Combination of proc / memory ?\n<zmoylan-pi> if i was going for an appliance like a dishwasher i'd be looking at which magazine survey ratings instead of single ancedotes. just my 2c\n<diplo> +1 - I sold my dishwasher, prefer handwashing\n<diplo> Apart from dinner parties :P\n<zmoylan-pi> that's when you serve fish and let the cat lick everything clean before boiling it all... :-P\n<foobarry> weirdo\n<diplo> hah, my wife always asked why I hand washed, I think our dishwasher was rubbish tbh, but it got me away from her as well :)\n<foobarry> i do think dishwashing is a sign of a marriage under strain\n<diplo> Well we are divorced :P\n<foobarry> QED\n<diplo> But I actually don't mind doing it, my girlfriend uses a dishwasher and her plates / glasses never seem as clean as if you hand wash them\n<SuperMatt> If they aren't coming out as clean in the dishwasher, then you're over loading it, or not topping up the salt\n<diplo> I did suggest that to her :) but I decided not to pursue it\n<zmoylan-pi> then the dishwasher should be able to point that out\n<diplo> Much preffered solution zmoylan-pi\n<diplo> :P\n<diplo> Anyone got a redhat access portal login ?\n<diplo> https://access.redhat.com/solutions/874023\n<SuperMatt> The wife and I live alone, but we have made sure we have enough plates, etc, to last us a few days until the dish washer is full, and then we put it on\n<SuperMatt> The mother in law does about 3 loads a day. Don't know how\n<diplo> Oh my! I couldn't wait that long\n<zmoylan-pi> solution: paper plates :-)\n<diplo> I wash as I cook/complete then wash up as the kids finish\n<SuperMatt> I will rinse as I go along, and put things in to the dishwasher then\n<SuperMatt> but my wife is a \"soaker\"\n<SuperMatt> it always makes me shudder\n<SuperMatt> I don't mind something being left to soak, but if it has been left for more than half an hour, it's not going to make any more difference\n<diplo> I'm a soaker for 5 mins whilst I do something else, like my water red hot\n<diplo> God are we getting old!!!! :(\n<SuperMatt> I know, I have a wife and a mortage, both things I didn't have 2 years ago when I left my twenties behind\n<diplo> Well I am old then if you're in your twenties ( obviously not as old as popey though! )\n<diplo> :P\n<foobarry> SuperMatt: do rackspace offer managed windows servers?\n<foobarry> where they patch and look after SQL server dbs etc?\n<SuperMatt> I don't work for RS any more, but yes, they do\n<foobarry> i know :P\n<foobarry> any idea on pricing, or wasn't your area...\n<SuperMatt> wasn't my area at all\n<SuperMatt> but more expensive than linux\n<foobarry> sure\n<SuperMatt> I think you can get managed DBs from Rackspace too\n<foobarry> thanks\n<foobarry> that'll do\n<SuperMatt> and some may say that's preferable\n<diplo> Who do you guys use for dynamic dns ?\n<daftykins> no-ip here\n<daftykins> diplo: although the last domain i bought from namecheap.com allows dynamic update from a client utility, so that could work too\n<diplo> I've been thinking buying a domain specifically for it yeah, I guess if I can get dhclient to work with it that would do\n<diplo> Wonder if any of the other registrars allow that\n<diplo> no-ip wants you to renew monthly doesn't it.. I think that's who I am with now, keep forgetting to do it, quite happy to pay a small sum or may just script something myself\n<foobarry> dyndns is $40 pa\n<foobarry> sounds a lot\n<daftykins> they don't do a free account anymore, but no-ip do.\n<daftykins> diplo: just pay no-ip the $25 USD for a year then :>\n<diplo> Yeah, thought about it.. but for what I get/want I was thinking more like a tenner :D - Just reading up whether I can update 123-reg or gandi with an api :P\n<diplo> Oooh I can with digital ocean I think! ooh!\n<popey> diplo: THANKS! :D\n<daftykins> o0\n<diplo> heheh\n<diplo> Someone has beaten me to it daftykins - Shell script ahoy\n<daftykins> every time i've tried to use a dynamic DNS updater on an ubuntu server with repo packages, they've all been utterly useless\n<diplo> yes, which is why I wanted something else daftykins\n<diplo> I had an issue with afraid.org because of dhclient on the version of ubuntu I was on and my router didn't support it\n<daftykins> yeah i just wanted to share just how rubbish they are and see whether anyone else had encountered the same\n<daftykins> seems to be my experience of universe packages :P\n<daftykins> \"oh neat i found an appropriate program... oh it doesn't work\"\n<SuperMatt> I've just moved my DNS to digital ocean. I needed 20 zones, but they limit you to 10. Despite being a saturday morning, I sitll got an upgrade\n<SuperMatt> digital ocean have their heads screwed on\n<SuperMatt> The limit is only so they don't get people creating accounts and registering a million spammy domains\n<diplo> Ah right I see, I may move all my stuff over to, see how Iget on with this dns :P\n<diplo> And success! The one I found was old api but fix0red it now \\o/\n<diddledan> Bryan Lunduke \"The Lunduke Hour: You put Linux on THAT?!\" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlBS66kd3JE (some swearing)\n<SuperMatt> that reminds me, is it the time of year for Lunduke's Why Linux Sucks talk?\n<daftykins> diddledan: i am confused, this hour seems to be 30 mins long\n<diddledan> yeah I spotted that, too\n<diddledan> Blessed are they who just can't even, for they shall be able to. https://twitter.com/JesusOfNaz316/status/824247461325639680\n<diplo> Now with SSL certificate - woohoo!\n<diddledan> \\o/\n<diplo> Onlu took me an hour and 3/4 :D\n<m0nkey_> 9:50 am On FedEx vehicle for delivery .. *squeals*\n<diplo> Learning ssl was hard :P\n<diddledan> I still haven't learnt SSL - it's all binary gibberish that I can't decipher\n<m0nkey_> diddledan, that's because you don't have the key\n<diddledan> it's almost like they're talking in code\n<diddledan> m0nkey_: we'll lose you to the machine later today then? :-p\n<m0nkey_> yes, I am entering the matrix\n<m0nkey_> as soon as it's arrived and setup\n<diplo> Created a LE cert on my VPS and then copied it down, next thing to do is to automate the renewal process and then get it to sftp it to the correct directory and check perms on update\n<diplo> https://github.com/andy-partington/shell_scripts/ if anyone wants to use the DO dynamic thing\n<diplo> Going to tidy the code up eventually\n<diddledan> how you respond to twitter - two images, one when you first join, the other after a few years: https://twitter.com/furrygirl/status/824129821273976832\n<diddledan> daftykins: notice I've been trying to explain my links better the past couple of days? :-)\n<daftykins> diddledan: i'm so proud, it brings a tear to my eye!\n<m0nkey_> FEDEX!!\n<diddledan> \\o/\n<daftykins> i'll have you know i never fed the ex\n<m0nkey_> MY VIVE!\n<diddledan> daftykins: is that why they're now \"ex\"?\n<daftykins> oh tux you went and did it eh :P\n<daftykins> you silly billy!\n<daftykins> diddledan: lies, there's no correlation!\n<m0nkey_> Would it be wrong of me to admit I'm squealing like a little bitch right now? :)\n<diddledan> no, the squealing is wrong, though\n<daftykins> glad you're enjoying it, but we'll see how long it lasts\n<m0nkey_> daftykins, not even plugged it in yet. it's got to get to room temperature\n<diddledan> how long until you knock yourself out by headbutting your desk?\n<daftykins> hehe\n<daftykins> i think he has his own padded room!\n<m0nkey_> OH MY DEAR GOD. THAT IS AWESOME\n<KrimZon> #\n<KrimZon> oops\n<diddledan> m0nkey_: did you lean on the pool-table yet?\n<daftykins> :D\n<diddledan> ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLhlHvIajpk\n<daftykins> might as well get a pint in and lean on the bar </Only Fools>\n<m0nkey_> diddledan, not yet\n<m0nkey_> been doing some zombie training and playing in the lab\n<danielthebague> Hi folks, whats the news or status for the BQ e4.5 ubuntu phone?\n<daftykins> danielthebague: wrong channel\n<daftykins> !phone\n<lubotu3> Information about the Ubuntu Touch platform for Phone and Tablet is available here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch . Support and discussion in #ubuntu-touch\n<danielthebague> yeah already switched to touch channel\n<daftykins> good stuff\n<danielthebague> thanks\n<danielthebague> Just out of interest is anyone in the not so near future going to purchase a ubuntu phone handset, hopefully this isn't a sore topic\n#ubuntu-uk 2017-01-26\n<CoderEurope> Happy Australia day !\n<SuperMatt> good to see, now that chrome and firefox are starting to report insecure sites, that more sites are going https by default\n<diddledan> morning\n<diddledan> SuperMatt: yeah, they're making people actually start to think about security\n<diddledan> both end-users and site-owners alike\n<kn1ghtw0rk> I have a first line support guy in my team that is seriously making me doubt my sanity\n<diddledan> kn1ghtw0rk: surely your lack of sanity should be the first warning sign, no? ;-)\n<kn1ghtw0rk> I have never had an abundance of sanity\n<kn1ghtw0rk> you all know that\n<diddledan> I'm glad I'm not alone :-)\n<diddledan> life would be boring if we were sane\n<davmor2> Morning all\n<diddledan> davmor2: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/514480991952699392/RkBBZpB2.jpeg\n<JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Australia Day! ð ð ð¨\n<davmor2> diddledan: I think this is slightly more disturbing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgI7kIkwca8\n<diddledan> HAL FTW\n<davmor2> JamesTait: just for something that isn't men down under https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GtyMeEcPPE\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<davmor2> JamesTait: no coffee yet men at work, land down under kinda got merged into one that and I copy pasted :P\n<foobarry> bought a dishwasher at 8pm last night, was installed before 9am today :|\n<diddledan> foobarry: that's a fast turnaround\n<foobarry> yeah\n<zmoylan-pi> so how did you decide in the end which brand to go for? the one with no blue leds? :-P\n<foobarry> bosch. was interested in samsung but they didn't seem to do slimline ones\n<foobarry> need to fit in 45cm gap\n<zmoylan-pi> didn't they just recall a home appliance as it was impersonating their latest mobile offering?\n<zmoylan-pi> samsung that is\n<foobarry> used topcashback and an voucher code to make things a bit cheaper\n<foobarry> well i would like an oven to make things hot\n<foobarry> and a hob to flame things\n<zmoylan-pi> a samsung fridge perhaps... :-P\n<TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: Yeah. In the USA their combi washer/dryer (I think) had a conflragation \"feature\"\n<daftykins> aww yeah new specs all the way from Hong Kong - https://www.dropbox.com/s/vu061glld8bampw/IMG_20170126_122104.jpg?dl=0\n<daftykins> bottom pair, missing a lens... are the ones i trashed in my spill 2 and a bit years ago\n<daftykins> it reached 0 deg C this morning D:\n<zmoylan-pi> yeah 2 weather warnings in south of ireland... mostly just rain but does feel nippy out\n<zmoylan-pi> and renewables ie wind is now providing 60+% or irish leccy at the mo... http://smartgriddashboard.eirgrid.com/\n<daftykins> oh dear that gives me a 503\n<daftykins> does that mean someone broke wind?\n<zmoylan-pi> they seem to be running that server on a rasp pi and it often can't keep up with number of connections\n<daftykins> yay it's alive now\n<daftykins> that's pretty cool if accurate\n<daftykins> strangely, they're planning on running a large power cable from the northern tip of France just to the east of me here - up through the island of Alderney - to England O_O\n<zmoylan-pi> the person i got the link from is an engineer who fixes the wind turbines amongst other things so i'm inclined to believe it's at least rougly accurate\n<daftykins> very neat\n<daftykins> i'd bet there are some fun systems to play with in power generation\n<daftykins> oh my specs were shipped by a courier named sky net, i think it's the rise of the machines\n<zmoylan-pi> lots of big toys... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G4hO76H6AU\n<daftykins> glaxo smithkline o0\n<zmoylan-pi> all the big pharmacuticals are huge in ireland for manufacturing and research\n<daftykins> hmm, tax angles i take it?\n<zmoylan-pi> no, i think a lot of them predate the tax advantages\n<daftykins> hehe\n<zmoylan-pi> i remember listening to a podcast a few months back from the early 70s about medical research in ireland bringing in international companies\n<zmoylan-pi> *back of a radio documentary from\n<daftykins> :D\n<daftykins> oh i got the timber treatment guys report today to forward to my insurance adjuster, so there's a bit more progress... although they want to trash the rest of my bathroom now, which will mean moving out\n<zmoylan-pi> ... or crossing your legs for a few weeks...\n<daftykins> yip :>\n<daftykins> i have to head up a clients in a moment for a shower :/\n<zmoylan-pi> get a camping shower gizmo and shower in the garden... :-P\n<zmoylan-pi> hypothermia... but clean... :-P\n<daftykins> i don't have a garden :> just a little tiny deck with not so great drainage\n<daftykins> think the tap that's there is rusted solid too...\n<zmoylan-pi> it's just a bag of water so you can give yourself a navy shower. wet, soap, rinse, soap, rinse...\n<foobarry> do we have any coders in here looking for an exciting job?\n<zmoylan-pi> i think the coders are down the pub drowning their sorrows over having to use ms software\n<daftykins> nah they're busy building the latest applications from source because their distro's default repos have all broken software packaged :)\n<dogmatic69> Hi all, im looking for a way to send the keystroke F1 to a terminal session, but it seems like the window manager is catching it\n<dogmatic69> any ideas how I can force it to send?\n<zmoylan-pi> try an onscreen keyboard?\n<foobarry> are there any good subreddits for programmingjobs?\n<dogmatic69> one sec\n<foobarry> no MS software in this job\n<foobarry> anywhere\n<foobarry> r/jobbit\n<dogmatic69> zmoylan-pi: the onscreeen dont even have function keys\n<dogmatic69> doubt it would work anyway, I think it is the window manager catching for help screens. most apps have F1 for help\n<diddledan> dogmatic69: first result on google: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/53581/sending-function-keys-f1-f12-over-ssh\n<dogmatic69> \"Another way to see the escape sequence for a function key is to press Ctrl+V in a terminal application that doesn't rebind the Ctrl+V key (such as the shell). Ctrl+V inserts the next character (which will be the escape character) literally, and you'll be able to see the rest of the sequence, which consists of ordinary characters.\"\n<dogmatic69> try that, and hit F1.. nothing happens\n<dogmatic69> ctrl+v -> F1 ... nothing\n<diddledan> that isn't what it tells you\n<diddledan> F1 == ^[OP\n<foobarry> google drive is dreadful\n<foobarry> impossible to navigate folders with any persistence\n<zmoylan-pi> i use dropbox... i wouldn't use it for anything secure mind\n<foobarry> this is a work collaboration between different institutions\n<foobarry> no choice\n<foobarry> cannot see contents of folders easily at all\n<daftykins> i've seen Google Drive fall over and be unreliable, too\n<daftykins> no idea what you mean is happening though\n<SuperMatt> I'm all about the OwnCloud\n<foobarry> when documents are in nested folders, navigating those foldesr is really cludgy\n<foobarry> and opening docs and navigating them is too\n<foobarry> it was ages before i realised there were folders full of files\n<foobarry> maybe i need that insync client\n<daftykins> on a clients Windows 7 system, i tried moving his Documents folder into the Google Drive root so that it'd keep them backed up - problem? it breaks indexing so search no longer works within it - and the client regularly crashed a couple of years back, generally pretty terrible\n<zmoylan-pi> ooooh, shiny.... http://kde.slimbook.es/\n<daftykins> https://youtu.be/4hHIv9RmDvY kittys + laser pointer now in 4K!\n#ubuntu-uk 2017-01-27\n<m0nkey_> Gah, it's been almost two and a half hours since I went to the dentist, and my mouth still hasn't unfrozen.\n<m0nkey_> Odd sensation though, drinking cold water feels warm on one side of my tongue\n<knightwise> morning\n<diplo> Morning all\n<foobarry> hello from a train\n<foobarry> never irc'd on a train before :|\n<diplo> I used to do that on my way up to Nottingham on the train\n<diplo> Bored our of my brain :P\n<foobarry> heh i'm on my way to leicester\n<diplo> Poor you :P\n<foobarry> i need MOSH\n<SuperMatt> You want to mosh?\n * SuperMatt starts playing some Iron Maiden\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<SuperMatt> morning\n<brobostigon> morning\n<TwistedLucidity> o/\n<diplo> Hey guys, we support customers remotely using teamviewer, someone has mentioned Zoho assist, any of you guys used it before ?\n<SuperMatt> What do you support your customers in doing exactly?\n<SuperMatt> personally, I don't trust any of the remote software\n<diplo> Neither do I, desktop support occasionally, setting up sessions to our software\n<diplo> We're using a very old version of teamviewer licensed and it's either upgrade time or try another product, just thought i'd see what others use\n<davmor2> Morning all\n<TwistedLucidity> diplo: Not a lot of help, but lots of alts here - http://alternativeto.net/software/teamviewer/?license=free (Zoho Assist is in there too)\n<TwistedLucidity> We make do with Go-To Meeting etc (which doens't work on GNU/Linux)\n<TwistedLucidity> Oh, I've restricted the license to Free/Open; easy enough to add proprietary back in.\n<davmor2> Rocketchat does voice and video calls I believe\n<foobarry> anyone use google keep?\n<foobarry> opinions vs evernote?\n<davmor2> foobarry: I do but only cause I use voice to make notes and that is what it defaults to\n<davmor2> foobarry: personally I think it is more basic than evernote but it depends how many of evernotes features you used\n<foobarry> sharing notes, reading on my phone, also share to evernote from a web page\n<foobarry> the evernote web clipper is really good\n<TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Does it allow for remote control?\n<TwistedLucidity> \"it\" being RocketChat.\n<davmor2> foobarry: keep I think does all of that only obviously using all google services.\n<TwistedLucidity> And, more importantly, can it punch people who don't read the step-by-step instructions that are in front of their face?\n<diplo> We do use on some linux desktops TwistedLucidity - hadn't taken that into account actually thanks\n<davmor2> TwistedLucidity: no, no you can't, but you can run sudo snap install slappy ;)\n<TwistedLucidity> davmor2: LOL\n<diplo> I use Keep for my shopping lists, make it at work and tick off in the shop\n<TwistedLucidity> diplo: If it's Linux-linux, just \"ssh -Y\" the wee sod. Or proxy VNC over SSH.\n<diplo> Yeah, the people who are controlling it etc are not the cleverest\n * TwistedLucidity sorts his parent's router by proxying the web interface over a reverse SSH tunnel. Feels l33t.\n<davmor2> TwistedLucidity: not sure about features you would need to check on theirs site, as far as I am aware it is somewhere between slack and hangouts\n<foobarry> Like the Chrome Save to Google extension, the Keep clipping function doesnât clip the entire page, so itâs still not a full replacement for apps like Pocket and Evernote. Still, these are nice updates if you want to use Keep not just for taking notes but also quickly saving things from the web\n<TwistedLucidity> Used slack for ~5 mins, never used hangouts; but I shall check. Thanks!\n<TwistedLucidity> For Pocket, consider Wallabag.\n<foobarry> pocket doesn't work for me\n<foobarry> first few web pages i tried just didn't work\n<TwistedLucidity> davmor2: On the RocketChat page now. No idea what it does, too busy playing with the floating dots on their banner :-S\n<davmor2> TwistedLucidity: sucka\n<davmor2> TwistedLucidity: just read the features and click on the demo\n<TwistedLucidity> Ooo, it's in a snap. Right, really need to figure out how to get a snap to use an external MariaDB instance on not bundle it's own. But will deffo test it out.\n<SuperMatt> diplo: I use Keep in the same way\n<TwistedLucidity> LOL. Screensharing is undocumented.\n<TwistedLucidity> \"Why can't I remote monitor the server?\"\n<TwistedLucidity> \"Is the service running?\"\n<TwistedLucidity> \"No. Do I need to start it?\"\n<TwistedLucidity> ARGH!\n<davmor2> TwistedLucidity: Hello World isn't just a developer demo, it's an introduction the pain the world will inflict on you when you hit the release button :)\n<foobarry> aww google keep clipper doesn't store the text from a web page\n<foobarry> just a link\n<foobarry> evernote is so much better\n<davmor2> foobarry: I did say it was more basic\n<davmor2> foobarry: my usage is mostly reminders and shopping lists so it is perfect for me\n<foobarry> its a shame or i'd switch over\n<SebthreeBQM10HD> hi\n<davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: hi\n<SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, hi\n<diplo> Anyone updated cPanel DNS via a script ?\n<diplo> Like my example for Digital OCean the other day, most of the stuff I'm finding is a few years old, but thought I'd ask around before writing my own\n<SuperMatt> my opinion of cpanel is \"ARGH! KILL IT WITH FIRE!\"\n<davmor2> popey: you are evil\n<diplo> SuperMatt: Agreed.\n<SebthreeBQM10HD> ]\n<SebthreeBQM10HD> -6777yyyyy\n<SebthreeBQM10HD> hi\n#ubuntu-uk 2017-01-28\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<SuperMatt> good morning on this chilly saturday\n<brobostigon> morning\n<SuperMatt> Today is a day for writing a wordpress theme\n * penguin42 updates his Mum's machine from 12.04\n<brobostigon> wowzer\n<daftykins> O_O\n<penguin42> well it was working and still LTS so hey that's the point\n<DJones> penguin42: Must admit, I've only recently upgraded my server from 12.04...as you say it still worked, was still LTS and supported...etc\n<DJones> Yay for 5 year LTS releases\n<penguin42> what has stopped working on that machine is h.264 playback through ff, firefox complains of an outdated libav; now I can't honestly remember whether the libav on there is a standard ubuntu one or not, but either way it means her machine can't watch our cctv, so I need to fix that so I may as well update first\n<daftykins> oh yeah i suppose it was going to be good until this April\n<daftykins> agreed on the sticking to what works as long as it's LTS, however i will absolutely slay anyone running EOL due to laziness (and do) :)\n<penguin42> nod\n<penguin42> the odd thing I had to remember was the trick on it to make the 1366x768 TV/monitor work on it\n<daftykins> oh dear, another modeline / hardcoded EDID to combat useless VGA?\n<penguin42> nod, it's kind of annoying it isn't in distros\n<penguin42> I eventually found I'd added an xrandr command in her .profile\n<daftykins> ah har\n<daftykins> i often go in and find folks have VGA where both their PC and monitor has a digital interconnect of whichever variety free, so i just order in a cable from amazon for say £5 and throw it on the bill\n<daftykins> one client had been getting by with the wrong resolution due to VGA hassles, even on a Windows machine for so long that he thought his eyes were going bad\n<daftykins> turned out it was just a super thin badly shielded cable but throwing HDMI in just made him say 'wow' :>\n<penguin42> daftykins: Oh that's not the problem; the problem is that 1366 is a weird resolution; it's not divisible by 8\n<daftykins> i know you've mentioned that before but _all_ 1366x768 monitors i've had exposure to work fine on Windows machines\n<daftykins> sure some rare ones say they're outputting at 1360 wide instead, but most are properly stating 1366\n<penguin42> in this case I'm giving it a 1360x768 modeline\n<daftykins> this is why X.org can't die any sooner though, hand edits in 2017? just no\n<penguin42> it's not X's fault, or at least nothing that's not fixable by shipping a few mode lines\n<penguin42> replacing X because of this type of thing is just entirely the wrong thing to do\n<daftykins> it is in the majority of situations, because somehow EDID reading fails on Linux where it doesn't on Windows... and i'm only saying replace because that's the way things are going, it's not going to get fixed\n<penguin42> yeh but replacing it doesn't solve the problem it just invents a lot of new ones\n<daftykins> why doesn't it if the new display server has already resolved that issue atop a whole new approach?\n<penguin42> because the new display servers will all have lots of fun new imaginative screwups because they've not remembered all the things X has fixe din the last 30 years\n<daftykins> ok, but we're talking about this specific problem right now which it hasn't fixed, not other ones\n<daftykins> why are we even seeing such basic display woes in an OS that FOSS advocates push so much?\n<daftykins> fair enough if the idea is just to wait for VGA to disappear, that's fine by me\n<penguin42> because people just shout and moan and say it's peoples crap monitors rather than fixing it\n<penguin42> daftykins: I dont the problem is either X or VGA\n<daftykins> well it does need to be caveated with the fact that just because we've both seen the same result (wrong resolution) doesn't mean we've seen the same scenario\n<penguin42> right, but as far as I understand the problem is 1) 1366 isn't divisable by 8, and 2) Many TVs have broken EDID set up\n<penguin42> daftykins: but neither of those is fundamental of either VGA or X\n<daftykins> sorry but if it was 1, then it would've been fixed ages ago in software and we'd not have seen it again\n<penguin42> (1) certainly is part of the problem\n<daftykins> from my perspective i see an OS that can work and one that can't, simple as that\n<penguin42> right, but neither of them is a fundamental problem with X or VGA; it's just that people can't be bothered fixing it\n<penguin42> they'd rather spend their time inventing alternatives to X instead\n<daftykins> i think this has devolved to semantics now\n<penguin42> there's things that need fixing in a replacement for X, but this isn't one that's fundamental about X or VGA\n<daftykins> avoiding VGA is simply easier than dealing with users with edge cases such as this\n<penguin42> my assumption is just we'll see similar problems on HDMI etc - the actual monitor ID on VGA is hardly robust, but it's pretty simple\n<penguin42> you do get problems on EDID but mostly with dodgy cables/projectors etc and for that I agree VGA is to blame\n<daftykins> mmm, probably more issues leaning toward DRM with the digital interconnects\n<penguin42> bad firmware in TVs etc can screwup the IDs on hdmi as well\n<daftykins> yeah, that one can be pinned on the race to the bottom with LCDs and folks choosing the quirky brands that have messed up somewhere\n<daftykins> although i don't think i've seen any HDMI woes that weren't cheap cables, certainly for actual computers HDMI isn't really the wisest choice\n<penguin42> yeh well that's the big problem with the 1366 displays\n<daftykins> not entirely since often Windows will work with them :>\n<DJones> Grrr, not sure whether to blame schools for failing to teach, or teens/adolecents for not learning, sat here listening to music, mates 15 year old hears a song and asks \"what has Birmingham got to do with Alabama\" (Listening to sweet home alabama..... Duh...\n<daftykins> are you thinking the geographic angle to looking up that Birmingham is in Alabama? :>\n<DJones> Yup\n<daftykins> mm probably was just a google away to find out\n<DJones> As far as I can see thats the relevant reference\n<DJones> Maybe I'm just getting nostalgic listening to 70/80's rock music and thinking this is where I come from\n<daftykins> :>\n<DJones> Yeah, I am 50 years old, I grew up with 60/70/80's music, some 90's before it went all screamy and assault to the senses\n<daftykins> indeed, or even the wub-wubs of the last 10 years too (at least i'm told it passes for music)\n<DJones> I've ignored most music in the last 20 years, hasn't been the same since Freddie passed away\n<DJones> Outside of classical music, there are no strong voices\n<DJones> (Freddie Mercury)\n * DJones regrets cutting his waist length ponytail off\n<daftykins> i've found that whereas i never used to walk or cycle anywhere without something on earphones, i'm much preferring to just have peace these last few years\n<daftykins> so the music discovery has died off mostly too and just been shelved\n<DJones> I can agree with that (But I'm married) I like silence, much prefer it to any sound except under certain circumstances, ie, I've got to be on the excercise bike/weights machine etc)\n<daftykins> ah yeah\n<daftykins> i'm loathe to persist with any exercise right now since i'm without a shower (ripped out due to a water leak discovery and insurance claim in the works)\n<daftykins> i'm even using the bus of late instead of cycling for the same reason\n<DJones> Yeah, I saw your rotten wood pictures\n<daftykins> ah right - just waiting on the adjuster's response right now\n<daftykins> then to get quotes, oy :P\n<DJones> Hopefully it'll work out right for you\n<daftykins> they'll cover some of it, but it's going to be a costly couple of months for sure since redoing the room will count as 'betterment'\n<DJones> I just picked up a £400 excercise bike for £30 on a 2nd hand resale website\n<daftykins> :O that's quite the drop\n<DJones> Yup\n<daftykins> i keep watching the local one's electronics pages but people are too daft to even put up the model of product they list\n<daftykins> *products\n<DJones> I think there was something dodgy about buying it, bloke said he was selling it becuase of tumours in his legs, partner said she was selling it because she'd started going out on a real bike.\n<DJones> But, whatever...\n<daftykins> heh\n<DJones> I've started looking at local bring & buy/sell websites which is where Ifoound the exercise bike\n<DJones> 99% seems to be spam, but occasionally, you find a bargain\n<zmoylan-pi> but 99% of exercise bikes end up as clothes hangers... :-)\n<daftykins> :D\n * zmoylan-pi prepares to go to monthly dublin flea market tomorrow to see what bargains i can find... :-)\n<zmoylan-pi> i think it's adverts on electronics were they list very specific information that is most dodgy. suggests someone who is shifting a lot of gear...\n<daftykins> hah\n<daftykins> well i listed a printer once with a link to the full spec page, had a phone call from a guy asking me if it was wifi and \"can you not just read the box?\"\n<daftykins> 1) why do you think i'm in front of it? 2) why didn't you read the link and decide if it was right for you?\n<daftykins> i was asking £20 for an inkjet XD\n<zmoylan-pi> ....and $50 for a cartridge...? :-)\n<daftykins> as is tradition! hence my never opening it ;D\n * penguin42 should have run computer-janitor on my mums machine first; it seems to have 120+ kernels installed which is making anything that updates the initrd's ***slow***\n<daftykins> oof\n<daftykins> must be using a few inodes too :>\n<zmoylan-pi> you'll never know when your mother will want to try and use a previous kernel to hack the gibson... :-P\n<penguin42> daftykins: Oh that's irrelevant compared to her mozilla cache I think\n<penguin42> hmm mind you I guess it multiplies by modules so you do get a lot\n<daftykins> were/are you doing this all remotely?\n<penguin42> no\n<zmoylan-pi> this is why i visit relatives so rarely... 'can you take a 5 minute look at our computer...'\n<zmoylan-pi> how long does it take to boot? an hour and a half...\n<daftykins> beats going to the hairdresser ;)\n<zmoylan-pi> moylan is an irish pun for 'offspring of the bald one'... hairdressers aren't a time consuming thing for my family... :-)\n<penguin42> ouch, it's got a few hundred linux-headers packages as well\n<daftykins> yeah that's what i meant by yonder inodes being munched up\n<daftykins> i always take a glance at \"dpkg -l | grep linux-\" and purge all the history, apt-get autoremove doesn't always do the job\n<penguin42> yeh it's about 15mins into deleting them\n<zmoylan-pi> wow\n<penguin42> still going; it's down about 1M inodes so far :-)\n<zmoylan-pi> remember when you did updates and only 1 computer had an internet connection and it was the one been updated fixed so you had no access to the internet? :-)\n<penguin42> oh only vaguely, I put in a firewall/nat box very early\n * zmoylan-pi mumbles young whipper snappers and waves cane in the air...\n<daftykins> :>\n<penguin42> I think it was a 386/sx at first\n<zmoylan-pi> amstrad pcs, xts with single or on a good day twin 5.25\" floppies. or on a really really good day a single 3.5\" floppy\n<zmoylan-pi> before getting a mitac xt at work with a 20mb hardcard\n<daftykins> uh oh we've got us a good old fashioned oldest-tech-off!\n<zmoylan-pi> sorry sorry... in modern news i may have found a replacement for my dumbphone...\n * penguin42 notes the 386/sx was just my earliest router/nat box - my 1st machine was a BBC B with a cassette player for storage\n<zmoylan-pi> oh, in that case a zx spectrum +2\n<daftykins> zmoylan-pi: *gasp* but... but the nokia!?\n<zmoylan-pi> all hail the glorious cassettes for storage... :-D\n<zmoylan-pi> i see the latest argos catalog now has cassette players for hipsters\n<zmoylan-pi> technically if the hardware tests pass the phone it is an older nokia phone. a nokia e63. about 3 years older than my nokia asha 302 which was made in 2012\n<zmoylan-pi> it's in near mint condition with the camera and flash still covered by factory cellophane strip and earphone socket plugged with cap.\n<daftykins> impressive!\n<zmoylan-pi> and i should have a directory somewhere here with all my symbian apps and data... :-)\n<zmoylan-pi> â¬39 shekels with a 90 day warranty to find any hardware bugs\n<daftykins> not a huge loss then if it turns out to be a duck\n<zmoylan-pi> yup. i might give python a go on symbian again.\n<zmoylan-pi> i like the nokia dumbphone but i do need a text editor and i can find no java based one that works for the 302\n<zmoylan-pi> and there's a certain joy when people ask how often you need to charge it and you just say sunday :-D\n<daftykins> this OnePlus 3 / 3T a couple of mates have got now seems to be giving them 4 days, which is pretty good for a full size smartphone with 4G\n<zmoylan-pi> 4 days is very good but how heavy a user are they. when i used psion i got a week from batteries when most got a month\n<daftykins> mmm they said normal usage for them, which their prior phone got a day on\n<zmoylan-pi> when my iphone 3g was brand new i once ran it from 100% -> 10% in just over an hour\n<daftykins> haha\n<daftykins> must've had poor optimisation for trying to ramp up the power and find a UMTS signal at the time\n<daftykins> what was local coverage for 3G like at that point?\n<zmoylan-pi> seems taking pics, using maps, gps, data and sending tweets eats the battery. in a very good 3g coverage area\n<zmoylan-pi> ...while listening to music\n<zmoylan-pi> whereas the 302 does all that bar gps for 14ish hours and reached 50% battery\n<zmoylan-pi> but 4 days even on light use on a smart phone would suggest that even i would struggle to make it run flat in 1 day\n<daftykins> could be\n<daftykins> i'm a bit religious with mine of turning wifi off when i leave the house... switching down to 2G only when home due to the granite etc\n<zmoylan-pi> for example my huawei y625 cheapy tesco media player was used for 3+ hours listening to podcasts and mp3s and is down to 54%\n<zmoylan-pi> via bt headset. wifi off\n<zmoylan-pi> now tomorrow when i head to the flea market i'll have bt off as well and use fm radio and it will be about the same as fm radio eats the battery a fair bit\n<zmoylan-pi> i use llama for turning off wifi automatically. handy app\n<daftykins> no holidays to Norway for you with that thing, then :) given their FM switch-off\n<zmoylan-pi> they plan to turn off fm radio... but i've heard a few people say they may have to back down. i have a dab radio and i do like it but i would never buy a portable dab radio as reception is awful\n<daftykins> don't think i've seen one in use yet\n<zmoylan-pi> even in radio blackspots in ireland (lots of granite mountains) fm radio works fairly well. dab, not at all\n<zmoylan-pi> i got 2 cheap dab radios in tescos. ireland has dab coverage for dublin area and there's 1 great station that plays bbc, npr, chinese, german news hours so you get some interesting coverage of events\n<penguin42> <still deleting kernel images>\n<daftykins> O_O\n<daftykins> see i would've backed up /home and nuked it with a clean LTS image\n<daftykins> :>\n<zmoylan-pi> hindsight is 20/20 :-)\n<penguin42> well I did back up /home, but hmm - I should have done the computer-janitor first\n<daftykins> well no, i just don't believe in upgrades of any kind\n<zmoylan-pi> spoken like a true windows user :-D\n<daftykins> and enough Loonix to know :>\n * penguin42 has had ubuntu boxes survive at least 5 years of 6 monthly upgrades\n<daftykins> eeeeh, exceptions i'm sure - but when it's your time on the line\n<zmoylan-pi> yeah, but next time penguin42 sees number of kernels > 20 they'll remember the waiting today...\n<zmoylan-pi> for me it was if i ever saw a user had more than 3000 data files... backups over serial then parallel and then finally usb cables would take f.o.r.e.v.e.r.\n<daftykins> that's definitely the longest bit of the job, mmm\n<daftykins> keep seeing budget machines that are new enough but still lack USB 3.0 of late\n<zmoylan-pi> it was then quicker to take apart the pc, move the drive to another pc with a spare drive and copy via hard disk transfer\n<daftykins> yip\n<daftykins> i've actually found that it's quicker to boot a live Loonix session and mount NTFS volumes, when there's a single disk config, and copy to an external as it saves having the OS running too\n<zmoylan-pi> live distros of linux are a godsend\n<daftykins> yip\n<daftykins> even done some Windows only tasks by pasting executables onto install media and hitting shift+F10 to get a command prompt window on top of the installer screens\n<penguin42> right, it's just about booted OK in 14.04, press the button again....\n<daftykins> * a Wile-E-Coyote crater appears in the Manchester area\n<daftykins> :)\n<zmoylan-pi> and acme dodges another refund... :-P\n<penguin42> Meep Meep!\n<penguin42> I mean it should be quicker this time right - I mean it's not got a zillion kernel files to delete, and it couldn't possibly keep me up until 5am....\n<daftykins> :D\n<penguin42> and yes, lots and lots of inodes, down from ~2.4M to ~500k - but still only 5%-1% of inode usage so not actually a problem\n<daftykins> mmm, did once have a user who'd run out from so many upgrades and all the headers kicking around\n<penguin42> This is a useful size hard drive, might be more of a problem on an SSD say; I dont hit it on my other machines because I have separate /boot which ubuntu constantly falls flat into on every update\n<daftykins> only if someone tried to cram a Linux distro onto one of those little cache SSDs that's ~32GB\n<penguin42> yeh\n<penguin42> I've only run out of inodes on old systems with discs in the 10s of MB or when creating things like floppy installations\n<daftykins> i read a piece earlier speaking of SK Hynix planning a 72 layer 10nm 3D NAND die by year end O_O\n<daftykins> hmm, too long ago to recall what this #ubuntu help requester had\n * penguin42 wonders what the aspect ratio of that is - I mean 72 layer\n<daftykins> ?\n<daftykins> they're pretty slim :>\n<penguin42> yeh but if a bit is in the 10s of nm across, by the time you get 72 layers it's very deep\n<daftykins> welp, means they'll reach 256Gb so 64GB per chip\n<penguin42> a quick search for hynix 72 layer said 512Gb\n<daftykins> ah my mistake that's what i meant, ja\n<daftykins> 2TB on a tiny M.2 SSD :)\n<zmoylan-pi> seagate have a 12tb spinny drive in the works with 14 and 16tb to follow in 18 months or so...\n<daftykins> they're also firing lots of folks and closing a factory... still blows my mind how they sell drives with only a 12 month warranty too\n<daftykins> (some models that is)\n<daftykins> doesn't exactly speak of confidence...\n<penguin42> daftykins: http://www.chipworks.com/about-chipworks/overview/blog/intelmicron-detail-their-3d-nand-iedm\n<zmoylan-pi> yeah, my last seagate died after i spent a week transferring files onto it's 2tb capacity\n<zmoylan-pi> but then at this point i've had drives from every manufacturer fail on me\n<daftykins> nothing new to me in that link, sir\n<zmoylan-pi> i usually just add them to top of my naughty list and buy some other manufacturer till a new failure drops them from the top\n<daftykins> they keep on merging and so we're running out :)\n * penguin42 was hoping for a vertical scale on that micrograph\n<zmoylan-pi> this is sadly very true\n#ubuntu-uk 2017-01-29\n<daftykins> only thing about that SK Hynix news piece is it's TLC they're referring to, usually the one i try to avoid\n<penguin42> nod, I did hear a theory that the 3d RAMs tended to have bigger cells on each layer so they weren't quite as bad as the 2D cells where they'd tried to cram them in, but still yes\n<daftykins> i think that was because they kept to higher process sizes (32nm+) in the early days of 3D, now it seems the race to cheap cost has them combining them all\n<penguin42> nod\n<daftykins> nn folks \\o\n<zmoylan-1i> o/\n<penguin42> hmm other than a plymouth animation going awol and a rather slow startup it seems OK\n<Bilz> I have a new laptop with intel hd 620 graphics using Ubuntu 16.04. In kernel 4.4, lshw -C display shows that the intel card is UNCLAIMED. In kernel 4.8.17, it does not say UNCLAIMED anymore. presumably the drivers are more up to date in the newer kernel. is it possibe to take the driver from the newer kernel and use it in the older kernel. (I should mention I've never had to update the kernel like this before, so I don't know much\n<Bilz> about them)\n<SuperMatt> It would indeed be possible if you rebuilt the kernel/driver modules, but my question is why not just use ubuntu 16.10?\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<SuperEngineer> O/\n<daftykins> SuperEngineer: correct answer would've been to suggest an HWE stack :)\n<SuperEngineer> ;-)\n<daftykins> though unclaimed isn't exactly confirmation of anything i'd wager\n#ubuntu-uk 2018-01-22\n<thelinuxbox> hi, i'm messing around with the ubuntu iso contents, i was wondering if this screen can be disabled https://i.stack.imgur.com/GtEi5.png so instead of the iso booting to that blank screen it boots to the hidden menu behind it, the menu that looks like this > https://i.stack.imgur.com/FfEwE.png\n<thelinuxbox> i'm guessing \"Hidden 10\" must be somewhere, but I'm just not sure where\n<diplo> Morning all\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<thelinuxbox> Good morning brobostigon :)\n<thelinuxbox> Good morning everyone :)\n<brobostigon> morning\n<czajkowski> anyone here managed to get Netflix to download on a browser on Ubuntu\n<czajkowski> I can do it on the app on my phone\n<czajkowski> but can't find an app on Ubuntu\n<brobostigon> netflix to download what in a browser?\n<SuperMatt> Netflix runs in a browser\n<brobostigon> exactly.\n<SuperMatt> including firefox in linux\n<brobostigon> and chrome.\n<SuperMatt> which came as a surprise to us all\n<diplo> I guess she means offline viewing guys\n<diplo> I've never tried though\n<czajkowski> yes\n<brobostigon> i have never seen the option to do that.\n<SuperMatt> You can't do offline viewing, I believe\n<czajkowski> hmm I think you can on windows\n<diplo> They have a windows 'app'\n<diplo> Windows 10\n<brobostigon> i see, useless for some of us, :)\n<diplo> I like netflix, don't like win10 so deal with streaming for now, guess I could use my sons Android tabket\n<diplo> tablet*\n<brobostigon> is the tabket the north korean tablet? lol.\n<diplo> :p\n<Azelphur> Is anyone here familiar with ebook readers, which ones are good, which ones are not good, etc?\n<Azelphur> Pondering buying one, but don't really know what I should look for\n<daftykins> price of books and how evil the ecosystem provider is would be top i'd imagine :D\n<zmoylan-pi> i've been using ereaders since i first downloaded etexts for my then palm iiix. i've had 4-5 e-ink ereaders. they work well, have great battery life, work fine outdoors in direct sunlight, it's like reading paper. and i kept going back to using my cheap tiny phone screens for reading ebooks. less hassle\n<Azelphur> I'm only really concerned with my ability to place ebooks on the device that were downloaded elsewhere, I have no interest in an ecosystem/store\n<Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: that's amusing, I do actually have my mobile and have read ebooks on a mobile before\n<zmoylan-pi> it works fine on dumb phones but whe you have a smart phone a part of your brain is constantly reminding you that you are draining the battery reading a book...\n<daftykins> i had a feeling that might be the case :)\n<Azelphur> eh, that wouldn't bother me too much, I never go anywhere without a portable battery\n<Azelphur> I just feel like e-ink might be easier on the eyes, especially when reading before bed\n<zmoylan-pi> e-ink is definitely more easy on the eyes than smart phones. also better when outdoors in direct sun light. but it's another device to charge/carry/care for which irked me\n<Azelphur> suppose so, for me I'm only really one for before-bed reading anyway, so it'd probably be right next to a cable always anyway\n<Azelphur> but yea, think you're right, I'll just stick to my phone\n<Azelphur> no point burning money\n<zmoylan-pi> and you can always try green text on black background to see if that makes phone screen easier to read which i find\n<Azelphur> what app do you use?\n<daftykins> i used to use that HP Touchpad tablet but the low screen res was irritating\n<zmoylan-pi> well on my dumb nokia asha 302 i use albite a java app that works very well... on android which i use as a media player, pod catcher i use cool reader\n<daftykins> i prefer dead tree to have some off screen time :)\n<Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: cool ;) will give it a go\n<Azelphur> thanks\n<zmoylan-pi> when i was in hospital last year for 7 weeks the dumb nokia was dead handy as ereader as it only needed charging once a week\n<Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: eh, gotta get on my level, I carry 25600mAh with me\n<zmoylan-pi> and if i dropped the phone when i fell asleep it was a nokia and there was little risk of damaging it\n<zmoylan-pi> yes but by using the nokia i can last a week with mp3s for music and audio books and comedies, fm radio, web, email, irc, rss, java games\n<zmoylan-pi> oh... and ereader... :-)\n<Azelphur> hehe\n#ubuntu-uk 2018-01-23\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<czajkowski> aloha\n<SuperMatt> ahoi hoi\n<zmoylan-pi> i tought it was ahoy hoy...\n<SuperMatt> I really don't know which it is\n<zmoylan-pi> i thought it was a nod to the naval greeting\n<brobostigon> it is, yes.\n<zmoylan-pi> which is usually spelt with a y\n<SuperMatt> well... phooey\n<zmoylan-pi> phoooi? :-)\n<SuperMatt> ¬.¬\n<zmoylan-pi> >_>\n<SuperMatt> D:\n<zmoylan-pi> =^..^=\n<diddledan> https://twitter.com/Kuwaddo/status/955810068661981185\n<diplo> hah, replies are also quite good\n<diddledan> haha, I hadn't looked at the replies\n<diddledan> baby groot is epic\n<diplo> :)\n<diplo> Replies are what waste half my time online\n<diplo> :P\n<zmoylan-pi> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/obituaries/ursula-k-le-guin-acclaimed-for-her-fantasy-fiction-is-dead-at-88.html\n#ubuntu-uk 2018-01-24\n<MooDoo> howdy all\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<SuperMatt> good morning\n<brobostigon> morning\n<czajkowski> aloha\n<brobostigon> morning\n<czajkowski> so oddly when I launch some applications they are so max screen I can't see how to mimmise them :/\n<czajkowski> somewhat baffled\n<popey> Morning :)\n<czajkowski> popey: ello ello\n * diddledan pokes daftykins to see if there is any life left in the idler\n * zmoylan-pi hands diddledan the cattle prod upgrade...\n<diddledan> it has been far too quiet in here lately (I'm also at fault there)\n * diddledan drops the cattle prod on his toe\n<diddledan> weirdly, clicking links in my gmail inbox in ff58 on buntu opens the new tab and then immediately closes it again\n<zmoylan-pi> none shall pass...\n<zmoylan-pi> popups that is\n<diddledan> I have to middle click it to do it via a different mechanism\n<m0nkey_> diddledan: how's that gsuite working out for you?\n<diddledan> Does its job.\n<uniquorn> Hey\n<m0nkey_> I may set-up G Suite, disable purchases from the Play store to prevent locking myself in.\n<uniquorn> So... Im from Sweden. I need an app called bankid on my phone to engage with the government. Can I ask if Ubuntu on a phone would support this?\n<m0nkey_> Wasn't Ubuntu touch dropped?\n<diddledan> It was\n<uniquorn> Ok so there's no Ubuntu edge or something similar?\n<daftykins> diddledan: a much delayed... \"ow!\" :D\n<diddledan> \"ow my *alls\"\n<daftykins> yep, falls\n<daftykins> i present to you, hardware porn, cats and the final haul of out of warranty disks (which also meets item 1) https://dafty.rocks/nextcloud/index.php/s/GanfIt7T2Gxo5us\n<diddledan> DUST BUNNIES!\n<daftykins> not my place of course\n<diddledan> ooh, WD Gold!\n<daftykins> nah RE2\n<daftykins> err RE4 even\n<diddledan> dame thing, aren't they?\n<diddledan> same*\n<diddledan> gold is the old name\n<diddledan> afaik\n<diddledan> I might be wrong\n<daftykins> new surely, these disks are old\n<daftykins> enterprise models before they launched the Reds\n<diddledan> aha\n<daftykins> i actually thought his desktop had Reds in RAID-1, but newp - so i've got a bunch of randoms now\n<daftykins> weirdly, one of the four reds only writes at 105MB/sec whilst the rest hit 150MB/sec\n<diddledan> popey: should we try amazon go while in Seattle? https://www.amazon.com/b?node=16008589011\n<daftykins> got a live session booted on a core 2 duo upstairs, SSH server installed and then remoted in 4 times from here to zero 3 disks xD\n<daftykins> you two off on a holiday? :)\n<diddledan> yeah we're off on a secret trist\n<daftykins> nice, be sure to find Frasier!\n<zmoylan-pi> all those 2tb drives... how titchy :-) see the 512gb card for phones announced :-)\n<daftykins> ah these are all old yeah\n<daftykins> no plans what to do with them, but technically being out of warranty and spinning so long, they could pop\n<zmoylan-pi> recommend the new helium filled jobbies just to save weight... :-D\n<daftykins> ;)\n<diddledan> do those helium ones float?\n<daftykins> i feel a bit iffy about those for now - also totally dislike the idea of the SMR drives (shingled magnetic recording) where write rates are slow due to needing to wait for it to rewrite adjacent tracks\n<zmoylan-pi> no, not light enough... you need hydrogen ones to float but no smoking is allowed of course...\n<diddledan> not even the magic smoke?\n<diddledan> the blue kind\n<zmoylan-pi> well when the magic smoke is released the problem goes away\n<diddledan> Rabies from Maid Marian and her Merry Men has died :-( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42775406\n<daftykins> how old! O_O\n<zmoylan-pi> In a 2003 interview, Lewis said he turned to acting after many years working in computers. He added that when they decided to make him a manager, \"it was time to move on and became an actor\".\n#ubuntu-uk 2018-01-25\n<diddledan> that's the obvious reaction\n<zmoylan-pi> i still prefer the mainframe os developer who quit, joined a commune and refused to deal with any time units smaller than a season... :-)\n<daftykins> diddledan: i keenly await your debut film\n<diddledan> pah\n<popey> diddledan: i was thinking of trying amazon go while there myself actually, assuming it works with non US accounts\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<diddledan> allo allo\n<daftykins> \\o\n<daftykins> oops i nearly had two heads\n<zmoylan-pi> theese is night 'awk calling\n<diddledan> \\oo/\n<daftykins> woo!\n<zmoylan-pi> hey, it's president zaphod... ::counts the arms::\n<zmoylan-pi> imposter!1\n<daftykins> i'm watching Terminator 1 on bluray, i was just testing it but i've ended up just sitting here...\n<diddledan> lol\n<zmoylan-pi> a simpler time when all you had to do to stop the robot rebellion was have access to one hydralic press...\n<daftykins> :D\n<daftykins> aww spoilers :P\n<zmoylan-pi> and your speaker system wasn't spying on you...\n<diddledan> \"the robots are revolting!\"\n<daftykins> how rude\n<zmoylan-pi> now the press would be computer controlled and need a 5 minute warm up plus updates before it squashed it's first terminator...\n<Azelphur> browsing eBay, found a graphics card with \"super low consumption and calorific value\" for all you people on a diet of graphics cards, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GTX960-4GB-GDDR5-128Bit-PCI-E-Extended-Port-Game-Graphic-Video-Card-Fit-PC-Hot/112691798850?hash=item1a3cf46342:g:uLIAAOSw401aD~0O\n<zmoylan-pi> is it gluten free? :-)\n<Azelphur> Dunno, you'll have to ask the seller and let us know\n<daftykins> :D\n<daftykins> mmm silicon snacks\n<zmoylan-pi> be honest scooby, you'd do it for a silicon snack... :-)\n<daftykins> \"ruh-roh, rot rintel!\"\n<zmoylan-pi> at least it's not nvidia...\n<Azelphur> It's a fake graphics card btw, don't buy it.\n<zmoylan-pi> but a stradivarius video card? :-P\n<Azelphur> haha\n<daftykins> nvidia might not be open sauce's fave, but they do run nice :P\n<zmoylan-pi> assumiung nothing goes wrong for you in the lifetime of the card...\n<zmoylan-pi> nvidia is for life not just for christmas...\n<Azelphur> Amusingly, I'm looking at them because there's an opening to scam the scammers, kinda amusing\n<Azelphur> The scammers take old cards, reflash the firmware so they appear as new cards, and sell them on eBay to unsuspecting noobs\n<zmoylan-pi> well the gold standard is the guy who got the scammer to carve a wooden c64...\n<Azelphur> But, if you buy one, remove the heatsink and check the chip, you can prove what it is, do an ebay chargeback, get them banned, and guet a free gpu\n<daftykins> i'd much rather a whole PCB with RAM chips too ;D (for non-HBM)\n<NET||abuse> hey guys, i'm doing maintenance on my cluster, i think my setup was uncompressed, so i've run scrub, rebalance and now defrag, but i've added the -clzo option to the defrag, and i haven't re-mounted, but added lzo to the fstab\n<NET||abuse> when do i need to remount, or what happens to uncompressed files on disk which are perhaps written after the defrag but before remount,\n<NET||abuse> or does the btrfs just know that files on disk are not compressed, and lazy re-write them as compressed then if they move them.\n<diddledan> wat: https://youtu.be/bUR_eUVcABg\n<daftykins> no thanks :<\n<diddledan> looks like it's a wrapper around a barstewardised emacs\n<daftykins> PR for pints welcome\n<diddledan> is facebook down for anyone else? it's telling me \"your account is unavailable due to a site issue\" and saying I should try later\n<daftykins> sounds like an upgrade :)\n<daftykins> tried the ol' downdetector website?\n<diddledan> perhaps I've been deleted\n<diddledan> amnesia is free right now on humble: https://www.humblebundle.com/store/amnesia-collection\n<daftykins> amnesia's no fun! ;)\n<diddledan> scary\n<diddledan> aka \"how to spy on the ladies' changing rooms\" https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/956617953369362433\n<zmoylan-pi> no need for high tech... https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/voyeur-spied-hotel-guests-beds-7701281\n<zmoylan-pi> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/admiral-charges-hotmail-users-more-for-car-insurance-hrzjxsslr\n<diddledan> wat\n<diddledan> paywall\n<daftykins> :D\n<daftykins> seems pretty fair, if based on statistics\n<diddledan> only if you really are a bad driver\n<diddledan> if you're a great driver it's unfair discrimination\n<zmoylan-pi> bad driver, bad webmail provider... you can see the obvious link...\n<diddledan> what they really need is a five-star rating system where they just plain ask you: \"how good a driver are you?\"\n<diddledan> well MS stopped handing out hotmail.com emails years ago so the only folk who have them are like me: old\n<diddledan> those young whipper snappers with their live.com emails and Windows Vista\n<zmoylan-pi> even worse, people who stick with obsolete tech, can you imagine the cars they drive?? http://www.fordmodelt.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ford1-1024x674.jpg\n#ubuntu-uk 2018-01-26\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<BobMottram[m]> G'day\n<SuperMatt> friday friday friday\n<Azelphur> gotta get down on friday?\n<SuperMatt> OH GOD\n<SuperMatt> You had to remind us, didn't you?\n<Azelphur> hehe\n<daftykins> we have it as a trigger in another channel (:\n<daftykins> bit like a rick-rolling but without a good tune\n<SuperMatt> If it wasn't for the fact that no one is around much in the office on a friday, I'd have it blast out of the speakers of my work machine\n<daftykins> i thought nobody around would be the reason *to* play it ;D\n<diddledan> epic teacher is epic: https://twitter.com/heydebigale/status/956922033023074304\n<daftykins> guaranteed every student just thought she'd stayed out all night\n<ana_> hi. ubuntu just did the normal update, when restarting, wi-fi just won't connect\n<ana_> keeps asking for password then asks again\n<daftykins> forget the network entirely, try that\n<daftykins> ana_: did you try that?\n<daftykins> or are you getting support elsewhere...\n<ana_> try what?\n<ana_> daftykins, i am not getting support elsewhere\n<ana_> i googled it, no solution\n<daftykins> 21:21 < daftykins> forget the network entirely, try that\n<ana_> what is \"that\"\n<daftykins> the first part of the sentence\n<daftykins> FORGET THE NETWORK\n<ana_> yes i'm using ethernet now, i.e. cable not wifi. other wise i woun't be talking ...\n<ana_> here ...\n<diddledan> methinks there's a lingo barrier\n<ana_> yes. me not know lingo. plain english needed please :)\n<daftykins> saving a wireless network is how it's usually used, so delete the profile for it, so it doesn't remember it\n<daftykins> it was totally clear to me, i have no idea how any English speaker can fail to understand that\n<ana_> tried that, didn't work\n<ana_> (i think)\n<daftykins> confirm.\n<ana_> deleted the network from the list of networks, re-found it, re-entered password. problem not solved\n<daftykins> can you run: dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999\n<ana_> http://termbin.com/w9rs\n<daftykins> oh dear\n<daftykins> diddledan: i did it again\n<diddledan> damn you did. that's a nasty disk right there\n<daftykins> ana_: umm, aside from the wifi issue - your hard disk is faulty and if you have any important data on it, you are living on borrowed time\n<daftykins> likely the upgrade has caused breakage by writing to bad areas\n<ana_> ok. so i should change the hard drive?\n<ana_> thank you daftykins\n<daftykins> yep\n<daftykins> no problem\n<ana_> ok thank you\n<ana_> so that's the next step then ... thanks\n<ana_> can i ask further .. why would my hard drive be damaged?\n<daftykins> age\n<daftykins> looks like a 320GB museum piece\n<ana_> hmm\n<ana_> oh\n<diddledan> UDMA/133 - IDE\n<ana_> hehe\n<daftykins> ana_: if you wouldn't mind one more command: sudo apt install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999\n<daftykins> (select 'no configuration' when/if a screen asks\n<daftykins> )\n<ana_> can i ask what that will do\n<daftykins> share the diagnostics information of your disk with us, nothing personally identifiable\n<daftykins> just confirms how far gone it is\n<diddledan> it will install smartmontools then it will ran smartctl then it will post to termbin.com\n<daftykins> ^\n<diddledan> reading goes from left to right\n<ana_> $ sudo apt install smartmontool\n<ana_> [sudo] password for ana:\n<ana_> Reading package lists... Done\n<ana_> Building dependency tree\n<ana_> Reading state information... Done\n<ana_> E: Unable to locate package smartmontool\n<daftykins> it's smartmontools\n<ana_> $ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999\n<ana_> sudo: smartctl: command not found\n<ana_> ah\n<ana_> shoiuld i answer everything yes?\n<daftykins> yep\n<ana_> ok\n<ana_> oh dear\n<ana_> can i post here?\n<daftykins> yep\n<ana_> Package configuration\n<ana_> ââââââââââââââââââââââââââââ⤠Postfix Configuration âââââââââââââââââââââââââââââ\n<ana_> â Please select the mail server configuration type that best meets your needs. â\n<ana_> â â\n<ana_> â No configuration: â\n<ana_> â Should be chosen to leave the current configuration unchanged. â\n<ana_> â Internet site: â\n<ana_> â Mail is sent and received directly using SMTP. â\n<ana_> â Internet with smarthost: â\n<ana_> â Mail is received directly using SMTP or by running a utility such â\n<diddledan> ee gads\n<daftykins> oh i thought you meant the URL\n<ana_> â as fetchmail. Outgoing mail is sent using a smarthost. â\n<daftykins> select 'no configuration' there\n<ana_> â Satellite system: â\n<ana_> â All mail is sent to another machine, called a 'smarthost', for delivery. â\n<ana_> â Local only: â\n<ana_> â The only delivered mail is the mail for local users. There is no network. â\n<ana_> â â\n<ana_> â General type of mail configuration: â\n<ana_> â â\n<ana_> â No configuration â â\n<ana_> â Internet Site â®\n<ana_> sorry :)\n<ana_> (Reading database ... 95%\n<ana_> what i am installing?\n<ana_> (please don't answer 'a program')\n<diddledan> a _specific_ program\n<diddledan> :-p\n<ana_> :)\n<diddledan> you're installing smartmontools, as I pointed out above\n<ana_> ~$ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999\n<ana_> http://termbin.com/5pp6\n<diddledan> she's dead jim\n<daftykins> yeah 2,900 bad sectors, DANGER UBUNTU ROBINSON!\n<ana_> ok. so, basically, do a back up of hard drive, change hard drive\n<diddledan> yeah, at this point with that disk anything you write to it is suspect\n<daftykins> yep, do you have an external hard disk to backup to?\n<ana_> yes i do regular backups\n<ana_> as in, yearly or so... hehe\n<daftykins> xD\n<daftykins> i like the honesty\n<ana_> i knew i had to change the hard drive, but it does mean to halt all other work for a day or two\n<ana_> so i was postponing\n<diddledan> I like that message near the top of the smart output: \"Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA.\"\n<daftykins> that's a fairly old machine, you might want to consider picking up a solid state drive (SSD) instead of HDD for the replacement, it'll be a huge speed increase\n<ana_> well all important stuff is sent to other people, so, i was surviving\n<ana_> most my files ultimately live in several people's servers or computers\n<daftykins> yeah the longer it's even turned on, the less likely you'll be able to get your data off safely\n<daftykins> ah that's handy then\n<ana_> hand on. solid state drive\n<ana_> instead of hdd? what does it mean?\n<diddledan> HDD is a spinning lump of metal. SSD is microchips\n<ana_> wonder if it would fit on this laptop\n<daftykins> definitely, already seen the specs\n<daftykins> though i'd take it to a reliable source for assistance in choosing such an upgrade\n<ana_> in any case ... i have this internal hard drive to replace in a draw, waiting for replacent ... but will make a note, for next time\n<ana_> wow, thanks again\n<daftykins> ah\n<diddledan> drawer hard disks are awesome\n<ana_> this channels helpfulness will never cease to amaze me\n<ana_> haha :)\n<ana_> thank you!\n<diddledan> \"I need a new disk\".. \"oh there's one in that drawer!\"\n<ana_> need to call it a night now\n<ana_> :D\n<diddledan> me too\n<ana_> thank you thank you! good night :)\n<diddledan> sleep now\n<daftykins> g'night to you both \\o\n<diddledan> nn\n#ubuntu-uk 2018-01-27\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<daftykins> morning indeed!\n<brobostigon> morning daftykins\n<daftykins> diddledan: what was the brand of 10Gb NICs you picked up when you got dabbling?\n<diddledan> for vmware I got an intel, and for freenas I got a chelsio\n<daftykins> ja just found some chelsios :)\n<daftykins> just messing about really but looking at what the options would be\n<penguin42> I guess you're using 10G-T\n<diddledan> https://insights.ubuntu.com/?p=82808\n<diddledan> aka \"Let's all descend upon Seattle\" :-p\n<zmoylan-pi> what? is it 80% of the price of nutella?! :-P\n<diddledan> hmm?\n<zmoylan-pi> missed the nutella riots in france? :-)\n<diddledan> guess I must have\n<penguin42> do pay attention\n<penguin42> I guess you missed the 50 escaped apes as well?\n<diddledan> 50 escaped apes? are they super intelligent?\n<penguin42> well, that depends if they were also behind the nutella riots\n<zmoylan-pi> the riots _DID_ provide a distraction while they were escaping...\n<diddledan> see, right now I'm unsure whether these things actually happened or you're yanking my noodle\n<zmoylan-pi> noodles are too serious to be yanked... trust me, i'm a pastafarian...\n<penguin42> diddledan: Seriously, both did\n<zmoylan-pi> nutella riots.. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42826028\n<penguin42> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/26/paris-zoo-shut-baboons-escape\n<diddledan> jeez\n<zmoylan-pi> 2018 the year the headlines seemed faker than the enquirer headlines of the 1980s...\n<penguin42> There's no requirement for reality to make sense\n<zmoylan-pi> ...so not covered by warranty then...bugger...\n<diddledan> sleepysleep time\n * zmoylan-pi hands diddledan a mug of happy sleepy snoozy snooze\n<diddledan> *thud*\n<diddledan> zzzz\n * diddledan sets alerm for silly oclock\n<zmoylan-pi> if only it were an alarm clock... :-) https://i.imgur.com/i9c6X7i.jpg\n<penguin42> zmoylan-pi: I'd assume it would play the call of the Norwegian Blue\n#ubuntu-uk 2018-01-28\n<brobostigon> morning boys and girls.\n<Nafallo> morning\n<brobostigon> morning\n#ubuntu-uk 2020-01-20\n<brobostigon> morning\n<zxmoypi> o/\n<brobostigon> \\o\n<knightwise> hey guys\n<brobostigon> morning\n<sebsebseb> hi\n#ubuntu-uk 2020-01-21\n<Myrtti> brrrrrr\n<Myrtti> cold\n<keithbarry> Hello I am ne her and need help\n<keithbarry> new and here\n#ubuntu-uk 2020-01-22\n<brobostigon> morning\n<zxmoypi> o/\n<brobostigon> \\o\n<zxmoypi> terry jone, monty python star dies aged 77 :'( https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-51209197\n<brobostigon> :(\n<brobostigon> and writer of, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Adams%27_Starship_Titanic:_A_Novel :)\n<zxmoypi> director of life of brian....\n<brobostigon> voice actor to the game of the same name.\n#ubuntu-uk 2020-01-23\n<brobostigon> morning\n<zxmoypi> o/\n<brobostigon> \\o\n#ubuntu-uk 2020-01-24\n<brobostigon> morning\n<zxmoypi> o/\n<brobostigon> o/\n#ubuntu-uk 2020-01-25\n<brobostigon> morning\n<zxmoypi> o/\n<brobostigon> \\o\n<knightwise> hey peepz\n<daftykins> \\o\n#ubuntu-uk 2020-01-26\n<brobostigon> morning\n<zxmoypi> o/\n<brobostigon> o/\n<daftykins> \\o\n<daftykins> about to go on a journey to the electronics recycling centre to offload some old gear\n<daftykins> mostly faulty parts though i think\n<daftykins> my little 3\" Casio portable TV is still working, just nothing to pick up ;D\n<penguin42> drive it off a Pi?\n<daftykins> it only has the antenna, can't think of anything more impractical\n"},"meta":{"kind":"string","value":"{\n \"pile_set_name\": \"Ubuntu IRC\"\n}"}}},{"rowIdx":4,"cells":{"text":{"kind":"string","value":"#ubuntu-it-meeting 2011-09-04\n<giorgio_> ho un problema ho la srivania tutta grigia si vede solo la barradi sopra e la barra di sotto\n<giorgio_> potete aiutarmi\n"},"meta":{"kind":"string","value":"{\n \"pile_set_name\": \"Ubuntu IRC\"\n}"}}},{"rowIdx":5,"cells":{"text":{"kind":"string","value":"#ubuntu-news 2010-04-19\n<nhandler> akgraner: You should set an irc alias to make that announcement (if you haven't already)\n<akgraner> nhandler, not sure I understand what you mean?\n<nhandler> akgraner: So you would be able to do: /announceuwn 189 and then have your IRC client send the announcement message to all of the channels\n<akgraner> ahhh ok\n<akgraner> didn't know that is what it is called\n<akgraner> I'll set that\n<akgraner> thanks!\n<nhandler> No problem akgraner.\n<akgraner> :-)\n<akgraner> nhandler, a couple of the presenters have asked for a session before open week on how to use Lernid\n<akgraner> I'm going to email all of them - who is the person(s) to ask to lead a lernid session?\n<nhandler> akgraner: There isn't really anything to know about that other than the few things on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lernid/Session%20Leaders\n<nhandler> Do you really think that is worth a session?\n<akgraner> There are several who have never even looked at lernid and I think they just have some questions\n<nhandler> I would be interested in knowing what questions they have. I still don't think it is worth a session, but mbudde would be the best candidate\n<akgraner> k - let me see who else responds and I'll let you know\n<nhandler> akgraner: Another option is to simply forward the questions to the ubuntu-classroom@ mailing list, and I or someone else can answer them\n<akgraner> ok so far they haven't been asked in email for but I'll ask them too submit them that way\n<nhandler> Also point them to that link\n<akgraner> ok can do\n#ubuntu-news 2010-04-20\n<akgraner> nhandler, should mdz's interview go onto the Fridge?\n<akgraner> or anyone?\n<nhandler> akgraner: What was that interview about again? I can't remember\n<akgraner> Ubuntu Turkey LoCo Team Interviewed him - http://akgraner.com/?p=262\n<akgraner> well it was on the Ubuntu User Blog 1st well technically the Turkish Team blog\n<nhandler> akgraner: Yeah, it could probably go on the fridge. Want to post it?\n<akgraner> yep I can - :)\n<akgraner> let me do that now\n<nhandler> I'll be around for another hour or so to review\n<akgraner> k thanks!\n<akgraner> nhandler, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2021\n<nhandler> akgraner: I would add a <BR> tag after the image.\n<nhandler> Other than that, it looks good\n<akgraner> ok let me add that and let you see it one more time :-) then I publish - grab the Forum Link, add the discuss the add the planet tag right?\n<nhandler> Yep\n<akgraner> nhandler, refresh and take a look now :-)\n<nhandler> Go ahead and publish akgraner :)\n<nhandler> I told you that you would get the hang of this quickly :)\n<akgraner> :-) yeah but I like knowing you all are looking over my shoulder there is something a bit comforting about that :-)\n<nhandler> :)\n<akgraner> alrighty it's done - :-) Thanks\n#ubuntu-news 2010-04-23\n<nhandler> akgraner: Can we toss the 200th issue meeting on the fridge ?\n<akgraner> As in an article or just on the Calendar\n<akgraner> I need to move it to the 6th - completely overlooked 29th as release day\n<akgraner> nhandler, - I added it to the Calendar - but need to change the date - see above reason^^\n<akgraner> The first meeting we can hold in -news, but the details on specific content will need to be discusses in ##johnc4510 - as we don't want to give away all the surprise content to everyone before the date\n<akgraner> and I was hoping we could have monthly -news meetings as well but wanted to get through UDS 1st\n<nhandler> akgraner: On the calendar\n<nhandler> Were you able to change the date? Or do you need me to?\n<akgraner> yep it's on there you can change it if you want I am in the middle of something else right this sec\n<nhandler> akgraner: Moved\n<akgraner> nhandler, awesome - Thank you!!\n<nhandler> np\n#ubuntu-news 2011-04-18\n<akgraner> johnc4510, I didn't get back home til much later than planned ...if you are around this week ping me..:-)\n<pleia2> do we have a blueprint yet? I think having a session at UDS is important\n<akgraner> pleia2, ahhh I new I forgot something and you are right we do need a session...I'll do that now\n<pleia2> thanks akgraner :)\n<akgraner> thanks for the reminder...:-)\n<akgraner> pleia2, I need to add some goals - but the BP has been created - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-news-team\n<akgraner> I'll send out notice to the teams who make up the news team once the goals are in place\n<akgraner> (which should be later this evening\n#ubuntu-news 2011-04-19\n<akgraner> adding the 6.06 EOL announcement to the Fridge now...\n#ubuntu-news 2012-04-16\n<pleia2> Unit193 (and anyone else interested in editoral review): have at it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue261\n<pleia2> ended up bullet pointing those two sections, no use losing sleep over it\n * nlsthzn got called out to an unexpected night shift :( \n<nlsthzn> so missed out on the summaries\n<Unit193> nlsthzn: You got it then?\n<nlsthzn> ?\n<nlsthzn> Unit193: I am not following (which may be because it is 0600am and I have been awake the whole time)\n<Unit193> Heh, felt so late here too, but then I remembered dI got about 3 hours last night.\n<Unit193> echo \"that take place in IRC\"|sed s/in/on/\n<Unit193> Errr... English...\n<Unit193> And in the same one, s/of/or/ \"Jorge Castro: Ubuntu OpenWeek call for instructors\"\n<Unit193> \"about the end of life of the last Pre-Unity release.\" Isn't 10.04 LTS still alive?\n<Unit193> And text in quotes is sometimes starting out in caps, and sometimes not...\n<pleia2> you're welcome to make direct edits\n<Unit193> I'm sure we went over this already, but the \"new members\" section differs from the \"TeamReport\". I want to make sure they're needed, I'm being nitpicky. :P\n<pleia2> differs from?\n<pleia2> the team report is from march, the new members are from the latest meeting (in april)\n<Unit193> Doh, I'm an idiot. :P\n<pleia2> the team report is just laggy because it takes a while for teams to write them (me included)\n<Unit193> So, any changes you want?\n<pleia2> you can make the other changes you mentioned above, I'd do s/last Pre-Unity release/last non-LTS Pre-Unity release\n<Unit193> ...And wiki crapped out on me, I'll see if I can get it back.\n<Unit193> And it's using a cross of en_US and en_UK.\n<pleia2> we want us\n<Unit193> Meh, didn't see an order of names and guessed I was supposed to toss mine in. :P\n<Unit193> pleia2: Feel free to take apeek at the diff.\n<pleia2> Unit193: thanks :)\n<Unit193> Sure, if it helps, but I know you've gotta be lacking if you're calling me.\n<JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: sorry, I had to rush for lots of things for school, but I promise that the UWN in Spanish will be ready for tomorrow, don't worry about ir\n<JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: tomorrow, as soon as I get home, I'll finish to translate the UWN. I have to go now, but it'll be ready.\n<pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: great! have a good night :)\n<dholbach> good morning\n<bkerensa> dholbach: starting early this week on our next issue\n<dholbach> bkerensa, cool, do you have any plans for it already?\n<bkerensa> dholbach: I did a rought draft intro about the candidate window but I hope you will expand it because your words are much more eloquent\n<bkerensa> dholbach: now I am just harvesting sayings of our devs ;)\n<dholbach> cool - thanks for that\n<dholbach> I'm sure you're eloquent as well :-)\n<bkerensa> dholbach: fyi we can meet any day except tuesday at UDS.... I am going to be crewing for cjohnston that day\n<dholbach> I'm sure we'll find a time :)\n<SilverLion> good morning\n<benonsoftware> pleia2: Sorry for not writing any summaries for the UWN, I started school again today\n<akgraner> Hey all - looks like the newsletter is ready to go - I forgot to tell everyone I was in Indiana this weekend and flew back in time to see Warren Haynes last night. Crazy yet fun weekend.\n<SilverLion> akgraner: saw the pics on FB ;)\n<akgraner> Oh that's not all of them\n<akgraner> :-) - it was a great show, and some much needed down time, but I still talked about Linux, Ubuntu, and Linaro. :-/\n<akgraner> I wanted to get a picture of me giving Warren Haynes an Ubuntu CD, but sadly my family removed all my Ubuntu Swag from the car and my purse before we left the house\n<SilverLion> akgraner: :/\n<akgraner> Yeah I know sometimes I just can't turn off my in-grained marketing gene :-)\n<riso> I just submitted an article to the fridge: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/?p=4791\n<SilverLion> delivers a 404\n<SilverLion> akgraner: my article was accepted by ronnie and will be published next month with your daughter ;)\n<akgraner> :-) thank goodness you didn't talk to her.. one day paybacks are going to be a pain for me I am sure :-)\n<SilverLion> akgraner: well hang on ...\n<akgraner> :-P\n * SilverLion is going to send a FB-Message to Becca\n<akgraner> Um, everything she says gets to be reviewed by Pete or I :-)\n<akgraner> well unless she post it on FB - then I just tell her what to remove\n<riso> mm, so it does. Well, I'm not sure how to get the link to it then. It is in the fridge under the ubuntu acct. Title: CLI bindings for libcanberra and a new user timer app\n<akgraner> riso - I'll look for it - in just a second\n<riso> ah, so maybe this works: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=4791&action=edit\n<akgraner> when did you submit it?\n<riso> ~40 min\n<akgraner> ahh ok - I'll take a look in just a few - on the phone right now - once I finish this call, I'll look though\n<riso> great, no problem\n<pleia2> I'll publish in about 2.5 hours\n<pleia2> so if anyone else can do edtorial review that'd be great: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue261\n<Unit193> Since I was last person to edit it, I shouldn't. (Though, now it's not the middle of the night)\n<pleia2> :)\n<riso> hello. If it hasn't been processed yet, I submitted this today: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=4791&action=edit\n<pleia2> I'll take a look\n<pleia2> \"Once you do this, be sure to notify a Fridge editor\" is an important step, we aren't alerted when people create posts in WP\n<pleia2> riso: could your post explain why this is valuable news to Ubuntu users?\n<pleia2> (it's unclear to me)\n<pleia2> ah, I see akgraner was going to take a look too\n<riso> yeah, I already posted something here several hours ago\n<riso> right\n<pleia2> thanks :) sorry I didn't see it\n<riso> The most important thing at the level of Ubuntu users would be the announcement of the new app, the other half is more developer level. I'm not sure if there's a more appropriate place\n<pleia2> hmm\n<pleia2> is this a default part of Ubuntu? I guess I don't really understand what the app is and why people need to be informed about it\n<riso> it is currently a \"blessed gnome\" dependency, i believe\n<pleia2> \"blessed gnome\"?\n<riso> ah, the library is\n<pleia2> maybe edit the post to describe what the library is used for that would impact regular users?\n<riso> I believe it is a standard component of the gnome base.\n<riso> that could be done. The impact is really only visible to developers though.\n<riso> the application using it is user-level of course\n<pleia2> ok, maybe add a line about the news being for developers? we get everyone from brand new linux users to hard core developers reading the fridge, so it needs to be written so that even if not everyone understands it, the audience is clear\n<riso> that makes sense. It should be partitioned into two pieces for the relative audiences then\n<pleia2> yeah\n<riso> Perhaps it should be two separate posts even?\n<pleia2> I think we should keep it to one\n<riso> Very good\n<pleia2> maybe just used some heading tags that say something like \"For developers\" and \"For users\"\n<riso> Right, that's what I was thinking\n<riso> I can't take care of it right now though...I have to go.\n<pleia2> no problem, just mention in here later when you can\n<pleia2> thanks!\n<riso> sure, thanks for the review!\n<SilverLion> akgraner, ping\n<akgraner> SilverLion, pong\n<SilverLion> akgraner just leaving the note that i am there if you need me ;)\n<akgraner> ok thanks - it's Monday and I am digging through my email after being away from my inbox for 2.5 days\n<pleia2> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue261\n#ubuntu-news 2012-04-17\n<JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: what's the strange character in the LoCo news section?\n<pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: if you follow the url link it should bring you to the blog title\n<pleia2> which has the strange character, I think it transferred poorly between blog/google doc/wiki :\\\n<JoseeAntonioR> hmm, no problem then :) I'm very sorry for the delay, I'm almost finished with it, it's just that I've had a though weekend with school\n<JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: ok, the Spanish edition is now ready\n<pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: great!\n<pleia2> and no worries about it being late, I understand :)\n<JoseeAntonioR> thanks :)\n<JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: do you have a second for a PM?\n<pleia2> sure\n<dholbach> good morning\n<SilverLion> morning every1\n<SilverLion> hey coplon/passstab\n<passstab> hi\n<passstab> sorry about coplon\n<passstab> fixing now\n<passstab> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4ODU\n<passstab> is that a good link?\n<passstab> IDK if you just use the mailing list\n<riso> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=4791&action=edit is ready to be reviewed/published\n<akgraner> riso - thanks!\n#ubuntu-news 2012-04-18\n<dholbach> good morning\n<SilverLion> morning\n<risotto> in case my message was missed before, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=4791&action=edit is ready to be reviewed/published\n<akgraner> risotto, there are some questions still - what email address can I send comments too?\n<akgraner> While I can ask you here - it would be easier for me to send you comments etc in editors formating etc\n<SilverLion> hi everyone\n<nlsthzn> Hey SilverLion :)\n<nlsthzn> ooh a bit late on the hello\n<SilverLion> cprofitt: hey there\n<cprofitt> hey SilverLion\n<MrChrisDruif> Aloha cprofitt ! ^_^\n<SilverLion> cprofitt: just wanted to thank you again for your support ;) finally found a home now with Ronnie Tucker ;)\n<cprofitt> ?\n<cprofitt> Ronnie Tucker?\n<SilverLion> cprofitt: http://fullcirclemagazine.org\n<cprofitt> I am still not following SilverLion ...\n<SilverLion> cprofitt: last time we talked I was a little unhappy in this community\n<cprofitt> ah...\n<SilverLion> and in the meantime i pretty much grew together with Ronnie Tucker and have to create the epub (mobile) version of the Magazine now\n * cprofitt nods\n<cprofitt> I think I understand now... great to hear\n<MrChrisDruif> cprofitt; how's it going?\n<akgraner> whoa - cprofitt's in da house!\n<SilverLion> akgraner: the Lion is too ;)\n<akgraner> :-) but sadly I still have 3 more things to write before my day ends\n<akgraner> then I can transition to Ubuntu stuff for the remained of the day\n<akgraner> :-)\n<akgraner> bbiab\n<MrChrisDruif> See ya later akgraner ^_^\n<MrChrisDruif> cprofitt; I don't know if you remembered, but months ago you withheld your testimonial for when I was finally going for Ubuntu Member. I'm up for tomorrow night! ^_^\n<cprofitt> MrChrisDruif: I withheld?\n<cprofitt> wiki link?\n<MrChrisDruif> Well, withheld or wasn't going to write one\n<MrChrisDruif> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MrChrisDruif/Testimonials\n<Unit193> MrChrisDruif: I'll be there, as you know, so I'll do mine there.\n * MrChrisDruif can't remember if I did yours! O_O\n<cprofitt> all done MrChrisDruif\n<MrChrisDruif> Thanks cprofitt\n<MrChrisDruif> ^_^\n#ubuntu-news 2012-04-19\n<dholbach> good morning\n<Unit193> Howdy.\n<SilverLion> mornin\n<SilverLion> good evening\n<nlsthzn> o/\n<SilverLion> nlsthzn, long time no see man!\n<nlsthzn> Why SilverLion , where you blind?\n<nlsthzn> *were\n<SilverLion> nlsthzn, seems like it :D\n<nlsthzn> :) how are you?\n<SilverLion> nlsthzn, busy getting my 23 inch Screen back on track\n<nlsthzn> nice\n<SilverLion> nlsthzn, but i wait till the release of Lubuntu 12.04\n<nlsthzn> I am still trying to get my screen to use it's naitive resolution\n<SilverLion> nlsthzn, ;)\n#ubuntu-news 2012-04-20\n<dholbach> good morning\n<SilverLion> good morning\n<SilverLion> philipballew ping\n<bkerensa> dholbach: hi\n<dholbach> hi bkerensa\n<bkerensa> dholbach: does Germany still have the Love Parade?\n<SilverLion> dholbach & bkerensa good morning from north-rhine westfalia ;)\n<bkerensa> SilverLion:Good Morning Indeed (1:53am here in wet Oregon)\n<dholbach> SilverLion, whereabouts in NRW are you?\n<SilverLion> bkerensa: and you are still up?\n<bkerensa> SilverLion: Only for a short bit more then to sleep :)\n * bkerensa is watching some Paul Oakenfold videos\n<dholbach> bkerensa, in 2010 we had the last one and it turned into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Parade_disaster\n<bkerensa> oh\n<SilverLion> dholbach: seems like there will be one in Berlin this year\n<bkerensa> o.o\n<dholbach> SilverLion, aha - I didn't hear about it elsewhere\n<SilverLion> dholbach: btw. did you get a g+ message from a guy called HarryLweber ?\n<SilverLion> dholbach: http://www.b-parade.de/projekt.html ;)\n<dholbach> SilverLion, I don't recall\n * SilverLion is happy to know a bit more then dholbach\n<JanC> http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/19/an-interview-with-millenium-technology-prize-finalist-linus-torvalds/ --> small nice thing from Linus about Ubuntu about 2/3rd into there âº\n#ubuntu-news 2012-04-21\n<pleia2> good morning news friends!\n<nlsthzn> news summaries, iso testing...\n<nlsthzn> so much to do :p\n<pleia2> indeed\n<pleia2> I'm going to blog about the team again, hopefully pull in some new people\n * pleia2 has half-written blog post\n * pleia2 works on it\n<pleia2> ok, here we go http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=5897\n#ubuntu-news 2012-04-22\n<passstab> IW isn't working for me right now\n<passstab> but somebody should probably put http://lifehacker.com/5904069/five-best-distributions\n<passstab> nvm i did it\n<pleia2> thanks passstab\n<passstab> np :)\n<passstab> how do you decide what goes in \"other articles of intrust\" ?\n<pleia2> it tends to be big linux-related news, or generic \"best of\" articles that we find interesting\n<pleia2> I like to include debian news there too\n<pleia2> need to run off to the airport, but I'll be back in a bit (dropping my fiance off *sniff*)\n<passstab> b\n<akgraner> Ubuntu stats are in\n * MrChrisDruif checks real quick if all flavor meetings are up to date and if he can make one/two summaries\n<akgraner> security and updates anre in as well\n<akgraner> MrChrisDruif, thanks for checking on that\n<MrChrisDruif> I *think* only Lubuntu had a meeting...again\n<MrChrisDruif> pleia2; no Xubuntu meeting?\n<Unit193> Nope.\n<MrChrisDruif> Thanks Unit193\n<MrChrisDruif> Saves me searching\n<Unit193> Unless they hid it from me. >_>\n<pleia2> akgraner: thank you!\n<pleia2> MrChrisDruif: right\n<akgraner> pleia2, let me know if you need a reviewer - I'm going to be afk for a couple hours but will check back before turning in for the night - stayed up to late watching ppv UMA fights last night and I am paying for it now\n<akgraner> but will be happy to review and move stuff over in a few hours for you if you want\n<pleia2> akgraner: thanks :) I'm running out to lunch now but I suspect I'll need to write some summaries, and when I write summaries I need more pairs of eyes reviewing\n * pleia2 seeks sushi\n<akgraner> pleia2, ping my on gmail (my phone will yell at me if you do) and I'll help with some summaries\n<pleia2> still need several summaries, I'll start writing some soon\n<nlsthzn> :( after the last of the Sc2 games I will get 6 hours sleep then I will clean up what is left...\n<pleia2> nlsthzn: it needs to be finished in the next couple hours, thanks though\n<nlsthzn> hmmm...\n<nlsthzn> k... then I can try and do a few in an hour or so...\n<Unit193> I can be useless and look over it when everyone is done. :P\n<pleia2> Unit193: that's not useless!\n<Unit193> It is if you don't really know what you're doing. :D\n#ubuntu-news 2013-04-15\n<pleia2> ok, newsletter sent off to editors\n<pleia2> Unit193: care to link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue312\n<Unit193> Either script is broken, or no unexpected dead links.\n<JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: stats have been pulled?\n<pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: yeah, it's pretty much ready aside from final editing (then adding \"in this issue\" and pulling out stray comments)\n<JoseeAntonioR> ok!\n<JoseeAntonioR> tomorrow I have to do a MUN audition, but once I'm done I'll get straight to it\n<bkerensa> :D\n<dholbach> good morning\n<smartboyhw> JoseeAntonioR, how's the news?:P\n<JoseeAntonioR> smartboyhw: will try to work on that in a minute\n<JoseeAntonioR> ok, working on releasing now\n<smartboyhw> JoseeAntonioR: \\o/\n<JoseeAntonioR> I'm manually working on the line breaks, so please be patient\n<JoseeAntonioR> Unit193: link check please?\n<Unit193> Did not too long ago, nothing unexpected.\n<JoseeAntonioR> great, thanks\n<akgraner> looks like it cuts off at this line - People Contributing the best questions and answers this week: Luis\n<akgraner> Alvarado (http://askubunt\n<akgraner> oops\n<JoseeAntonioR> hmm?\n<JoseeAntonioR> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue312\n<smartboyhw> JoseeAntonioR: \\o/ thx for releasingâ¦):)\n<JoseeAntonioR> no worries, smartboyhw!\n<smartboyhw> JoseeAntonioR why shall I worry?\n<JoseeAntonioR> it's an expression\n#ubuntu-news 2013-04-16\n<smartboyhw> JoseeAntonioR: Just joking:P\n<akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, thank you! I'll fix the forum post in just a few - social media'ing is complete and the Fridge post is approved\n<JoseeAntonioR> great, thanks a bunch!\n<pleia2> ah, we need to get someone else with access to all our social media accounts\n<pleia2> akgraner: I'll get you the twitter login info before I leave :)\n<akgraner> pleia2, cool - I have the FB and Google+ stuff\n<harris> what is worth reading today in the email\n<harris> and why didnt lyz send it\n<JoseeAntonioR> harris: because lyz was busy, and most of the articles are worth reading\n<harris> can you tell her i say hi and she does a good job\n<JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: ^\n<harris> who is pleia2\n<JoseeAntonioR> lyz\n<harris> you just cant go by liz\n<harris> lyz\n<harris> and how do i get to it do i click the wiki\n<JoseeAntonioR> yes, click on the wiki link and you'll get to the newsletter\n<harris> i only have time to read one which should i read\n<JoseeAntonioR> I think that's up to you\n<harris> you wrote it\n<harris> i dont know whats good\n<harris> JoseeAntonioR,\n<JoseeAntonioR> harris: I didn't exactly write it, it's a collaboration between many team members\n<harris> just which one should i read\n<harris> JoseeAntonioR, isnt it 13.04 not 13.05\n<JoseeAntonioR> harris: 13.05 is for the Ubuntu Developer Summit, which is occurring in May\n<harris> ok\n<harris> none of them seem interesting\n<harris> and since you wont tell me which to read im just unsubscribing\n<skellat> Have a nice day then\n<JoseeAntonioR> oh, just read this\n<Unit193> JoseeAntonioR: He's known to not wait for much.\n<JoseeAntonioR> Unit193: you've dealed with him before?\n<Unit193> Not me personally, but seen when he asked to be an op, and him trying to get unbanned too. (Pretty sure he isn't now.)\n<dholbach> good morning\n#ubuntu-news 2013-04-17\n<dholbach> good morning\n#ubuntu-news 2013-04-18\n<dholbach> good morning\n<JoseeAntonioR> pleia2 or akgraner: there's a guy who's got an Ubuntu Community Survey and wants to post it to the fridge+planet, I can do planet, but is it appropriate for the Fridge?\n<pleia2> not really\n<JoseeAntonioR> ok, thanks!\n<pleia2> fridge is official news, 3rd party surveys are not :)\n<pleia2> can include your post in the planet section of UWN though\n<JoseeAntonioR> yeah, I still get a bit confused when they ask me about something getting on the fridge\n<JoseeAntonioR> yep, I'll do that, but once I've got the blog post\n<JoseeAntonioR> everything's going good over Portland?\n<pleia2> yep, wrapping up in 40 minutes or so and heading to the airport\n#ubuntu-news 2013-04-19\n<smartboyhw_> JoseeAntonioR: Who's \"that guy\"?\n<JoseeAntonioR> smartboyhw_: I think I may respect the privacy, as he talked to me via IRC\n<JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: have a nice flight!\n<smartboyhw_> JoseeAntonioR: Or rather, is he an Ubuntu member?\n<JoseeAntonioR> nope\n<smartboyhw_> pleia2: Have a nice trip:)\n<smartboyhw_> JoseeAntonioR: Not sure can that go to the Planet section\n<JoseeAntonioR> smartboyhw_: I can post it\n<smartboyhw_> JoseeAntonioR: :)\n<dholbach> good morning\n#ubuntu-news 2013-04-20\n<pleia2> summary writer email sent out\n<pleia2> I'll probably be able to do most of the prep this weekend\n<pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: I'm going to give you a shell account on my community server so you can run the scripts without the whitespace problem, please send me your preferred username and public ssh key when you have a chance :)\n<Unit193> Ooooh! Free shell account!\n<pleia2> heh\n<smartboyhw> pleia2, if you have any spare time do me a flavour and review my wordings for the UWN draft:P\n<pleia2> smartboyhw: a lot of these are really short again\n<smartboyhw> pleia2, grrr.\n<pleia2> like in the \"10 Best Ubuntu 13.04 Features\" you want to say what some of them are\n * smartboyhw leaves them for the other people.\n<smartboyhw> No time to fix, sleep!\n<pleia2> people won't touch them since they will think they are done already\n<pleia2> I'll need to fix them all :(\n<pleia2> I've tried to explain this to you before, the summaries need to do more than just repeat what the article title is in different words\n<smartboyhw> pleia2, extremely sorry:(\n<pleia2> I highly encourage you to take more time on each one and leave some of the work for others instead of doing everything quickly like this\n * smartboyhw posts a reminder to self at the computer.\n<pleia2> doing them all quickly just makes more work for me\n<smartboyhw> pleia2, OK\n<Pendulum> smartboyhw: when I do summaries, I generally figure they should be about a paragraph (so about 4 sentences). And they really do require reading the entire article. I'd had summaries longer than that for longer articles (it's hard to get 8 pages into 4 sentences), but you can't really get a good summary in less than a paragraph\n<Pendulum> *I have done summaries longer\n<skellat> New summary for Burning Circle 110: \"The newly appointed Leader for Ubuntu Ohio, Stephen Michael Kellat, talks about the on-going Membership Awareness Poll as an effort to gauge what members are actually out there.  Mention is given as to preparing for a possible UbuCon at Ohio Linux Fest 2013.  The leader declared at the end that he intends to set up IRC office hours but has come to no decision yet in that regard.\"\n<Pendulum> Did we start summarizing podcasts? We used to just post the notes provided by the podcasters\n<pleia2> thanks Pendulum and skellat :)\n<JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: ping\n<pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: pong\n<JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: mind a PM to send the info?\n<pleia2> go for it\n#ubuntu-news 2013-04-21\n<harris> where is liz\n<pleia2> o_O\n<Unit193> Pretty much normal MO.\n<skellat> Ohio Statewide Conference Call (Raring Ringtail Release Party) is set for Thursday night at 9 PM Eastern via TalkShoe.com. Call-in to 1-724-444-7444, conference ID is 127739, then hit 1# unless you have a TalkShoe account. Everybody joins the call muted initially. No set length for the event.\n#ubuntu-news 2014-04-14\n<jose> email sent to editors\n<jose> ok, getting ready to release in less than 5m\n<jose> ok, working on it now\n<jose> Unit193: mind link checking, please? :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue363\n<Unit193> Looks good.\n<jose> thanks!\n<jose> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue363\n#ubuntu-news 2014-04-16\n<ubusurfer> hi\n#ubuntu-news 2014-04-17\n<jose> pleia2: you doing the release announcement on the Fridge?\n * PaulW2U it looks like this is that time again where I add hundreds of links to the working .doc only for pleia2 to keep the best and delete the rest :o)\n<jose> haha, maybe if they're all 14.04 reviews we can group them?\n<PaulW2U> I think some of them are just speculating about what's going to be released very soon. Anyway, there will be plenty for pleia2 to group/edit/delete/move etc :)\n<pleia2> jose: I'll be around for the next 2-3 hours, if it's released in that time I'll be able to post it\n<pleia2> I'll be sure to mention here if I do :)\n<jose> ok, I can take care if needed :)\n<pleia2> PaulW2U: thanks \\o/\n<jose> pleia2: we're good to go\n<pleia2> I do not see an announcement yet\n<pleia2> aha, there it is\n<pleia2> jose: you want to do it?\n<jose> sure, I'm all set\n<pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html\n<pleia2> thanks :)\n * pleia2 runs off to publish the xubuntu one\n<jose> announcement is now on the fridge\n<pleia2> thanks jose \\o/\n * jose pops champagne... but doesn't drink it\n * pleia2 too\n<pleia2> we're having our release party next week so I can drink then (hopefully)\n<pleia2> PaulW2U: so if you want, you can move all the release-related posts up as bullet points under the main announcement and I'll cull as needed\n<PaulW2U> ok, i'll do that shortly\n<jose> pleia2: ronnie tucket x-posted the announcement to the planet via his personal blog, not sure if we should give him a heads up\n<jose> (and I'm working with IS as Fridge doesn't appear)\n<pleia2> jose: fridge always takes forever to appear, it's the caching\n<pleia2> xubuntu.org has the same problem, they've known about it for ages\n<pleia2> I gave up complaining, but by all means :)\n<jose> :P\n<jose> well, let's hope they can fix it at some point\n<jose> (even if that's in 2020)\n#ubuntu-news 2014-04-18\n<gonyere> do you want summaries for all/some of the coverage re: the 14.04 release? or should I just skip down to planet/cloud news?\n#ubuntu-news 2014-04-19\n<jose> gonyere: we usually don't do summaries for bullet-pointed lists, and I think PaulW2U was about to put them in a list\n * jose double checks\n<gonyere> thats what i figured\n<gonyere> just wondered if there was one or two that we wanted to highlight\n<jose> I don't think so :)\n<jose> thanks a lot for working on summaries!\n<gonyere> np :) I just wish there were other areas of Ubuntu that were as easy to contribute to!\n#ubuntu-news 2014-04-20\n<PaulW2U> canonical and blogosphere summaries still to be written if anyone wants to do them. 'night all\n#ubuntu-news 2015-04-13\n<pleia2> anyone else about to write summaries? ahoneybun?\n * pleia2 starts moving things over && prep wiki\n * ahoneybun looks to write pausing The Walking Dead\n<pleia2> :D\n<pleia2> thanks!\n<Unit193> ahoneybun: Didn't that end two weeks ago?\n<ahoneybun> Unit193: Netflix :)\n<ahoneybun> pleia2: sorry I've been lazy this whole weekend\n<ahoneybun> things are moving! lol\n<pleia2> haha, sorry, moving stuff over to the wiki :)\n<ahoneybun> and someone is adding summaries\n<pleia2> looks like only two people in the document, me and you\n<pleia2> I do some editorial review when I move stuff over\n<ahoneybun> yep\n<Unit193> Sorry, but I've turned out to be terrible with writing those. :3\n<ahoneybun> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/04/08/the-power-of-software-defined-networking-appliances-sdna/ this is a bit out of my range lol\n<pleia2> ahoneybun: no worries :) I'll take care of it, thanks for your help with the blogosphere articles! be sure to add your name to the bottom of the doc\n<ahoneybun> np pleia2 I'll try to get more next wee\n<ahoneybun> *week\n<pleia2> Unit193: it's not for everyone :) care to link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue412\n<Unit193> That I can.\n<Unit193> Good.\n<pleia2> thanks\n<PaulW2U> added an \"Other Article of Interest\" to the wiki\n<MooDoo> sorry all i did one summary then had a problem with a non sleepy daughter.....:S\n<PaulW2U> editorial review done\n<pleia2> wow, I've been trying to release this newsletter for a half hour now\n<pleia2> work keeps pinging me D:\n<pleia2> once this is done, I'll get the loco council call for nominees up on the fridge\n<wxl> yay\n<pleia2> and tomorrow we should have news re: membership board\n<pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 412 for the week April 6 - 12, 2015 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue412\n<pleia2> it's nice when hotel wifi cooperates :)\n<pleia2> ok, all done, off to conference social now \\o/\n#ubuntu-news 2015-04-14\n<ahoneybun> yy\n<ahoneybun> *yay\n<ahoneybun> yay!\n#ubuntu-news 2015-04-16\n<pleia2> MooDoo: happy birthday! (I know I'm late your time)\n<ahoneybun> pleia2: hello\n<pleia2> o/ ahoneybun\n<ahoneybun> o/\n<ahoneybun> pleia2: where are the logs of the decision for the Membership Board?\n<pleia2> ahoneybun: you'll have to look back into archives for when they had meetings, so they have meetings on the 1st Thursday of the month @ 22:00 UTC and 3rd Wednesday of the month at 12:00 UTC so just figure out those dates, and look for the logs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/\n<pleia2> so let's see, the first thursday of this month was the 2nd\n<pleia2> here's the one from then: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/04/02/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t21:03\n<pleia2> err, bad paste: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/04/02/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t22:04\n<pleia2> half the meeting was getting enough board members to show up, which is why it was important to restaff ;)\n<pleia2> it may be good to include a link to the meeting logs in the announcement emails they send out (like https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2015-April/002197.html)\n<pleia2> easier to keep track of them that way, then it doesn't take cross referencing dates with logs to dig them up :)\n<ahoneybun> pleia2: I don't think I will get the old email since I just sub to it now that I am a member\n<pleia2> ahoneybun: you probably have access to the private archives, but I meant the *public* emails they send to announce new members\n<pleia2> results are sent to the ubuntu-news-team mailing list so we can include them in UWN\n<ahoneybun> pleia2: I just want to see how I got voted in lol\n<pleia2> ahoneybun: oh, I thought you meant logs for membership meetings\n<ahoneybun> membership to the Board\n<pleia2> ahoneybun: the CC just does a condorcet vote across all candidates based on your email to the membership board and what we know of you from the community\n<pleia2> not much discussion really\n<ahoneybun> oh ok\n<ahoneybun> thanks\n<pleia2> :)\n<MooDoo> thanks pleia2 :D xx\n#ubuntu-news 2015-04-17\n * pleia2 adds a few articles and sends off to summary writers\n#ubuntu-news 2015-04-19\n * PaulW2U counts summaries - 9 still to be done\n<pleia2> thanks PaulW2U\n<ahoneybun> done 3\n<pleia2> \\o/\n<ahoneybun> 4 done\n<ahoneybun> in total\n#ubuntu-news 2016-04-18\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: and if I do end up releasing by myself, is there an editor I can consult to ensure it's high-quality?\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: the problem is right now is that I'm the only editor, and since you're writing a lot of the summaries I'd rather keep those roles at least somewhat separate\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: so I think it makes sense for us to continue releasing together so I can do a final once through\n<pleia2> still no summaries :(\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: are you going to have any time this evening to work on this?\n<pleia2> working on planet now\n<pleia2> and now general news\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: accidentally kept important things mounted when I removed a directory containing a bootstrap, so I intended to but was recovering :(\n<tsimonq2> actually working on it now\n<tsimonq2> although it won't show my name it's me, not logged in with Google right now\n<pleia2> bullet-pointed blogosphere, just need press and audio&video one\n<tsimonq2> working :)\n<pleia2> thanks, adding stats now\n<tsimonq2> ok\n<tsimonq2> heheheh Bryan Lunduke interviews Mark Shuttleworth\n<tsimonq2> this is gonna get interesting XD\n<pleia2> :)\n<tsimonq2> \\o/ off of chromebook, onto Lubuntu live USB, gonna log into Google and continue to work while debootstrap runs\n<pleia2> ok, stats are done, I have dinner reservations so I need to run out\n<pleia2> I'll move the rest of the summaries over when I return, and send off to editors\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: I'll finish them up :)\n<tsimonq2> have fun pleia2 \")\n<tsimonq2> *:)\n<pleia2> thanks :)\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: should be all good, look at some comments but otherwise good to go\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: so the kubuntu podcast blog post has some info in it, I'd just summarize that\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: for uk podcast, I usually take from the bullet-point list and chop out a few things if it gets too wordy/linky\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: actually, just checked the date on kubuntu - november! oops :)\n<pleia2> I thought it was strange that ahoneybun didn't tell us about it, he usually does\n<tsimonq2> little late for me to finish them up, sorry\n<tsimonq2> in bed :P\n<tsimonq2> I did get a few done though\n<pleia2> thanks for working on these\n<pleia2> expanding a few of them before I move them over\n<pleia2> have a good night :)\n<tsimonq2> you too :)\n<tsimonq2> normal time tomorrow for release?\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: ^\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: I have a meeting at 3:30 pacific outside of my home, so I may be slightly later than normal (normal is 5 pacific)\n<tsimonq2> alright, I'll keep that in mind\n<tsimonq2> thanks and night :)\n<pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue462\n<Unit193> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-my/3355-ubuntu-16.04-release-party-with- ~ http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/3361-kw-ubuntu-16.04-xenial-xerus-release-party/ ~ http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-mi/3354-ubuntu-michigan-16.04-release-party/\n<pleia2> Unit193: all broken?\n<Unit193> Whoop, missed http://marcoceppi.com/2016/04/charm-2-point-oh/rsions too.\n<Unit193> pleia2: Yep.\n<pleia2> fun times\n<Unit193> I didn't break 'em! :3\n<pleia2> oh that last one was just some bad copy-paste from me\n<pleia2> I think they'er all fixed, try again?\n<Unit193> Looked cached, niice. No FPs even! Wow.\n<Unit193> Good to go, that is.\n<ahoneybun> pleia2, about what?\n<pleia2> ahoneybun: kubuntu podcast #6 ended up on planet again, even though it's from november ;)\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: you around?\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: oh that's right, you have a meeting, let me know :)\n#ubuntu-news 2016-04-19\n<tsimonq2> starting pre-relase tasks, basically everything but posting places\n<tsimonq2> *release\n<tsimonq2> step 13 done\n<tsimonq2> step 14 donw\n<tsimonq2> *done\n<tsimonq2> step 15 done\n<tsimonq2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 462 for the week April 11 - 17, 2016 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue462\n<tsimonq2> step 16 done\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: waiting for you to proceed, if another hour passes and you aren't here, I'll finish up\n<pleia2> woo city traffic\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: here now :P\n<tsimonq2> yay\n<ahoneybun> heyo all\n<pleia2> doing my final review now\n<pleia2> random pcworld article pasted in the middle of the adding snaps article o_O\n<pleia2> fixed\n<tsimonq2> this is why you review ;)\n<pleia2> and no forgotten/last minute ubuntu-news-team posts, I think we're good to go\n<tsimonq2> awesome\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: you can't run the script twice (caching is too strong) so you'll have to edit anything you generated by hand to remove the pcworld article link\n<tsimonq2> alright\n<pleia2> I'll put on social media\n<tsimonq2> alright\n<pleia2> want to work on fridge? (should be able to log in this time)\n<tsimonq2> after I sdjust my files locally :)\n<tsimonq2> *adjust\n<pleia2> doesn't look like you can post to discourse, I think your posts keeps getting stuck in a queue that's never emptied, I never see them show up even when it tries to post :\\\n<pleia2> and I don't know who the active admins are there these days who can help with that\n<tsimonq2> so you do discourse I do fridge?\n<tsimonq2> (done adjusting files)\n<pleia2> yeah\n<tsimonq2> alright\n<pleia2> sigh, links didn't generate for fridge, \"And much more!\" at the end of the list looks fine, so that's odd\n<tsimonq2> yeah I was looking at that...\n<tsimonq2> *sigh* generating Planet manually will be fun...\n<pleia2> I'm still looking at the script, want to do the forums?\n<tsimonq2> sure\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: http://princessleia.com/temp/462\n<pleia2> I don't know what happened, but it worked this time\n<pleia2> I haven't checked the links, so you'll still want to do that before posting to fridge\n<pleia2> I'll work on the wiki\n<tsimonq2> doing forums, somehow, NONE of the \"In This Issue\" articles came up...\n<tsimonq2> I blame myself :P\n<tsimonq2> oh duh, no liks for Forums\n<tsimonq2> *links\n<tsimonq2> just...today :P\n<pleia2> I can regenerate that one too if you need\n<pleia2> we do want a list of in this issue, but no links\n<tsimonq2> alright\n<tsimonq2> I'll run some sed magic on the bullet points...\n<pleia2> just wait a moment please\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: http://princessleia.com/temp/462/\n<pleia2> that should be everything you need\n<pleia2> generated properly\n<pleia2> no need for sed magic\n<tsimonq2> thanks :)\n<tsimonq2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2320926\n<pleia2> thanks, wiki is done, I'll do email while you work on testing fridge links\n<tsimonq2> alright\n<pleia2> then I'll copy your fridge html w/ fixed links for discourse\n<tsimonq2> k\n<tsimonq2> published\n<pleia2> looks good, copying over for discourse\n<tsimonq2> \\o/ emails sending out\n<tsimonq2> s/sending/receiving/\n<tsimonq2> wording is important ;)\n<tsimonq2> oh jeez, I just need to sleep :|\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: fridge is showing to issue 462 posts in the post queue, did you start one earlier?\n<pleia2> one is published and the other is a draft\n<tsimonq2> then nuke draft if you could, I think I did but it was being weird, so yeah\n<pleia2> ok\n<tsimonq2> everything else is done?\n<pleia2> I think so\n<tsimonq2> you did wiki and emails...1-3?\n<tsimonq2> on it!\n<pleia2> ok, discourse is done\n<pleia2> in the middle of 1\n<pleia2> so don't create another page, or the wiki will be very confused\n<pleia2> ugh, edit conflicts\n<tsimonq2> no no no no no no noooooooo\n<tsimonq2> gosh darnit\n<tsimonq2> /o\\\n<pleia2> please slow down :)\n<pleia2> alright, sorted and icons are there\n<pleia2> oh, but it didn't take my 16.04 template change\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: can you edit the Issue463 manually to add the 16.04 edits from the template?\n<tsimonq2> oh that's right, that's a thing, sure\n<pleia2> the template is up to date, but I think your version of the page was created before I had saved it\n<tsimonq2> yeah\n<pleia2> and I reverted my page creation back to yours after the conflicts\n<pleia2> thanks :)\n<tsimonq2> off to bed for me, thank you for your patience, night\n<pleia2> have a good night\n<tsimonq2> you too :)\n#ubuntu-news 2016-04-20\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: \\o/ Ars Technica article featuring Ubuntu\n<pleia2> it's been known to happen :)\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: worth adding in UWN? how-to featuring Ubuntu...\n<pleia2> you can add it to the press section and we'll evaluate later\n<tsimonq2> k\n#ubuntu-news 2016-04-21\n<pleia2> adding release announcement to fridge\n<pleia2> and there it is\n<jose> \\i/\n<jose> \\o/*\n<pleia2> :)\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: think you can work on collecting news from the planet?\n<pleia2> I'll dig up news from elsewhere\n<pleia2> just having an overwhelming week over here as it is, Ubuntu LTS release is another sack on top of that :)\n<pleia2> looks like there was no community Q&A this week, just jcastro's release edition juju office hours (added to doc, will need a summary basic)\n#ubuntu-news 2016-04-22\n<tsimonq2> *yawn* woke up from nap, been told Y has a name, then I have some homework, so maybe later but no promises, I have a lot of homework\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: I'll work on making sure that the articles are good on the document, then all you have to do is check over and send out to summary writers\n<tsimonq2> good meaning present\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: can you add articles from the planet? else I'll take care of it\n<pleia2> but I'm collecting other news, and have a ton else on my plate tonight\n<tsimonq2> k there\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: flavor release announcements - where do those go?\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: with general news maybe?\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: official ones from the flavors themselves? we don't typically put them in\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: oh? why not, just curious?\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: I recommend searching through the archives for the last UWN that had a release in it to see how we've done things\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: alright I'll do that, thank you\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: not all flavors have them, some are delayed or hard to link to, it ends up looking messy and incomplete\n<tsimonq2> alright\n * tsimonq2 is just a little biased because I wrote the Lubuntu one, but makes total sense :)\n<pleia2> yeah, I'm usually involved with writing the Xubuntu one\n<tsimonq2> but I wrote it all myself the night before ;)\n<tsimonq2> (not smart, but I was tasked :P)\n<pleia2> happens all the time\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: https://s3hh.wordpress.com/2016/04/20/lxd-image-updates/ good for planet? thought I'd double-check with you.\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: too distracted right now, want to just add it and I'll sort through them later? feel free to leave a comment saying you're not sure about it so I can pay particular attention :)\n<tsimonq2> alright, that's fine pleia2 :)\n<pleia2> thank you\n<tsimonq2> planet links done, collecting general release articles\n#ubuntu-news 2016-04-23\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: gone from early tomorrow morning to Sunday afternoon, just an FYI\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: ok, I'm not sure about my schedule yet, prep for trip means I may actually be around tomorrow, but I'll definitely be back by Sunday night to prep for editors\n<tsimonq2> alright\n<tsimonq2> then when I get back Sunday I'll ensure summaries are good to go\n<pleia2> thank you :)\n<tsimonq2> so you are ready to send off to editors when you get back\n<tsimonq2> np\n<pleia2> enjoy your time afk\n<pleia2> hopefully it's for fun ;)\n<tsimonq2> yeah, going up north, we have a couple campers and no cellular service or WiFi ;)\n<tsimonq2> if you don't mind me asking, where are you off to?\n<pleia2> nice\n<pleia2> Austin, for the OpenStack Summit\n<tsimonq2> oh I've been hearing bits and pieces about that\n<tsimonq2> have fun :)\n<pleia2> thanks, hope to!\n<tsimonq2> then will you be around at the normal time for release on Monday?\n<pleia2> I'll likely want to do it myself quite late\n<tsimonq2> alright, that's fine :)\n<pleia2> so if you could check the document for any obvious mistakes during the day, that would be helpful (like, CamelCase, broken headers, random links inserted somewhere :P)\n<tsimonq2> I'll do my best :)\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: anything else I need to do before I head off for the night? (went to bed at 1 AM last night and woke up at 5...)\n<pleia2> going to pull the ars article, they do cover ubuntu here and there, and it is too much of a how-to\n<tsimonq2> alright\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: nope, have a good evening, and camping!\n<tsimonq2> thanks :)\n<pleia2> ok, dropping the lxd one too\n<pleia2> newsletter is loooong\n<pleia2> sent to summary writers\n#ubuntu-news 2017-04-18\n<tsimonq2> Two-week issue.\n<tsimonq2> You think that it'd be a bigger news release because of the release, but if you guessed that, you guessed wrong.\n<tsimonq2> Plus, I just didn't get to it this week.\n#ubuntu-news 2017-04-19\n<guiverc_t> tsimonq2, re: release weeks, at least twice I've seen pleia note the lack of news on release week in the time I've been involved\n<tsimonq2> guiverc_t: Ok\n<tsimonq2> guiverc_t: ack\n<tsimonq2> :)\n<guiverc_t> clarification on my last: my count likely include rc|testing releases [count otherwise is a high % of...]\n<jose> 'ello. Marius Nestor from Softpedia has reached out to me since none of his Softpedia news covering Ubuntu have been included in UWN. any specifics why?\n<PaulW2U> looks like that its just the last three issues - #502/3/4\n<PaulW2U> as both #500 and #501 included softpedia articles\n<PaulW2U> tsimonq2: guiverc_t do either of you use liferea? let me know if you want my feedlist\n<PaulW2U> as it includes all the regular sources that I used to use\n<jose> Marius just told me he's writing a new article about ubuntu and gnome\n<pleia2> yeah, the reason is just UWN staff turnover, different people are collecting the news now\n<PaulW2U> I've just updated the prep doc with everything I can find from my usual sources\n<PaulW2U> jose: 6 softpedia links for issue 505\n<jose> hehe I'll pass it on, thanks! :)\n<tsimonq2> PaulW2U: I used to.\n<tsimonq2> jose: Oh? It certainly wasn't intentional. Marius is a nice guy!\n<tsimonq2> PaulW2U: Pass it my way? :)\n<PaulW2U> tsimonq2: I'll email you the xml file later, just import it into liferea\n<tsimonq2> PaulW2U: OK :)\n<guiverc> PaulW2U, yep. liferea is a favorite program for me...\n<guiverc> jose - re: softpedia; probably mostly me selecting articles, so my fault.. (issue numbers by Paul confirm I think) ...\n<guiverc> specifics as to why I can't say - comments (my thinking) will have been deleted weeks ago from gdoc...\n<tsimonq2> guiverc: It happens... :)\n<guiverc> :) & thanks @ tsimonq2\n#ubuntu-news 2017-04-20\n<guiverc> looked in gdoc history; .. before pasting to gdoc I work in local file but its stored in non-backed up folder so can't see history. issue #503 had a softpedia article in blogo (not news) before going to summary writers... it isn't there in final though\n<guiverc> re: dropped #503 article - reason found; in comments I recommended it be dropped due url that referred to 17.04 as Wily Werewolf .. another agreed and dropped it..\n#ubuntu-news 2017-04-21\n<guiverc> adding LoCo events ... I think they should list dates in UWN to save people from having to open links... looking at random old issues on wiki thought; I can't find any with dates.. dates are in loco.ubuntu.com/events/ so easily added; we could also just have aforementioned url event-table for more details etc.\n<tsimonq2> guiverc: ack\n<guiverc> ack?\n<tsimonq2> guiverc: Acknowledgement.\n<guiverc> pasting email right now - but I think I see reason for ack. (ack > nak)\n<tsimonq2> :)\n<guiverc> just had heart-attack .... summary email arrived in my gmail acccount; with bcc's visible WTF?? thankfully only b/c it's sending account.\n#ubuntu-news 2017-04-22\n<tsimonq2> guiverc: :)\n#ubuntu-news 2017-04-23\n<jose> working on membership board announcement for fridge\n<tsimonq2> jose: gracias\n<jose> np\n#ubuntu-news 2018-04-16\n<krytarik> Then I'll go to bed now and let you plug along with the list. :)\n<krytarik> I've been awake for 24 hours now...\n<krytarik> Mainly just because it's also a rather unfortunate time to get at 2 AM in the night though.. :P\n<Wild_Man> night\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: Thanks heaps for your guidance and hand holding - this day :)\n<krytarik> Ugh, in fact it also carried over the full history of the template page though, so maybe just copy the stuff from the raw view and create a new page with it.\n<krytarik> Sure, you two also do lots of things I hope I can build on. :)\n<pleia2> did you copy the IssueTemplate or use the wiki template feature?\n<pleia2> copying will bring in history, built in template feature will not\n<pleia2> Wild_Man: btw, where the wiki page says \"Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue ### for the week of April 8 - 14, 2018.\" you want to replace ### with the issue number, some of the scripts rely upon this\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: So guess the proper workflow from now is: delete the current page, visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue523 where it then asks if you want to create a new page, and the select the page template we have from there.\n<pleia2> ++\n<krytarik> pleia2: Yeah, I also just figured out how the template system works there. :P\n<pleia2> :D\n<Wild_Man> okay, thanks pleia2\n<krytarik> And yes, indeed a missing issue number would be horrible on many ways and that too. :P\n<krytarik> Eh, can't speeell anymore..\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Seriously, please recreate the page following the steps I outlined, rather than editing the current one any further.\n<Wild_Man> I just deleted it\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, even with it delete when I click on the address and it brings it up it shows revision history for everyone all the way back to 2009\n<pleia2> hold down ctrl and shift when you refresh\n<pleia2> it's just cached\n<pleia2> (it is gone)\n<Wild_Man> okay\n<Wild_Man> pleia2, what he wants to get rid of I believe is the edit history so it looks clean but I see edit history going way back, do you see the same when you click on info?\n<krytarik> I don't see an option to pull in a template on creating a new page now though - other than copy-pasting from the template yourself.. :P\n<Wild_Man> I do not either\n<pleia2> when you load up the empty page, just search for \"IssueTemplate\"\n<pleia2> then click on \"UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/IssueTemplate\"\n<pleia2> that will copy the issue template into a new, empty page\n<pleia2> you do this instead of selecting \"Create new empty page\"\n<Wild_Man> thanks please that worked\n<Wild_Man> pleia2,\n<krytarik> Oh heh! On the page where you are also just offered to create an empty page at the top.. >_>\n * pleia2 nods\n<krytarik> I never paid particular attention to the list there.. :P\n<pleia2> hehe\n<krytarik> Wild_Man abandoned the page creation for now it seems.. :P\n<Bashing-om> If nothing else I can do, going back to my regularly scheduled support :)\n<krytarik> Multitask between #ubuntu & co and lending Wild_Man a hand when he reappears, I'd think would be nice. :)\n<Wild_Man> I have it recreated I think, I have to eat real quick\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: Wild_Man I pop back up \"on demand\" :P\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, ok, you can see this right https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue523\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yepper .. page loaded .\n<krytarik> Heh, it doesn't actually kill the history even now though, it just refilled the page content back up.. >_>\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: So sorry for trying the obvious route first, now we'll just have to live with what we got. :P\n<Wild_Man> history goes back to like 2009\n<Wild_Man> np\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: History ? All I see is the template and \"contents\" .\n<pleia2> if the template was indeed used this time, it could be because of the deletion/recreation cycle, it just kept it :(\n<Wild_Man> wiki is a strange animal\n<pleia2> if you look at past issues, it worked fine\n<pleia2> just be sure to use the template on the first try with the next issue ;)\n<Wild_Man> I did this time I just messed up the title and had to rename it\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, was hoping to not show that history of renaming\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, ok\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: loaded https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue523 and I do not see a history .. should I login to see an effect ?\n<krytarik> Well, apparently the shuffling of the page location wasn't logged there either.\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, no that is fine I just wanted to make sure the page showed up\n<krytarik> Bashing-om: Click on \"Info\" at the top.\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: K .. back in lurk mode .\n<Wild_Man> you will have to be logged in to see the info i think\n<krytarik> No.\n<krytarik> I know because I'm usually never logged in and always see the history. :P\n<Wild_Man> I am always logged in so I just thought we had to be to see it\n<krytarik> Heh, \"always logged in to the wiki\" is not something I hear often.. :P\n<Bashing-om> sounds like Wild_Man is addicted :)\n<krytarik> Anyway, enough screwing up at the wiki for now - g'night!\n<krytarik> Sounds like he is editing the wiki all the time. :D\n<krytarik> So should have tons of experience by now! \\o/\n<Wild_Man> What I mean is when I click on a wiki page I am logged in but I do not click on them very often\n<Wild_Man> pleia2, under in this issue, so I list just one of the topics in the general community section or all of them?\n<Wild_Man> so/do\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: No news is good news .. any way I can help ?\n<Wild_Man> tsimonq2, you around?\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I am afraid for us both to be editing the wiki at the same time, I do not think it works as well as gdocs\n<Wild_Man> if you want to give it a go I will take a break that is for sure\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: That is why I did not signin .. as had that same thought .\n<Wild_Man> I can save it and you can take over a few minutes is you want too\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: What is it that \"we\" are then doing ? I am all for learning what to do .\n<Wild_Man> right now I am adding what will be in this issue, I am comparing it to older issues to get a better understanding\n<Wild_Man> once that is done it will be pretty eassy to copy and paste\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Sure .. I do as I can . Not much going on in support .\n<Wild_Man> I was thinking about coping and pasting from gdocs then go back to what is in this issue\n<Wild_Man> I have saved it, look at an old news letter for reference, I click on the edit of the old one to help with syntax, like for bullets use the * but you have to indent it four spaces\n<Wild_Man> brb\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: You mean that we are manually c/p from https://docs.google.com/document/d/18ZbtFHQq6uMj7iuRLd11VH8V5Uc_FA0IfgiRUcbMbQk/edit to wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue523 ???\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, yes but you have to use an old one and compare the two to make sure the formatting is correct for each piece you paste, I would paste a small piece then preview it and make sure is is formatted correctly\n<Wild_Man> I know moin does not like more then one person at a time editing it\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: And again ,, I have no experience with formatting in the wiki .. will be a slow learning process :(\n<Wild_Man> me to basically, I just learn as I go\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Trying to signin now .. not looking good for the home team :(\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: OK ! I am at the ubuntu wiki HOME page. what to do to load the working template ?\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, it is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue523 give me a minute I am going to post the loco events I ran the script and have the results\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: When I go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue523 ; I have a blank document in my browser .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, try now!\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: ack .. will advise .\n<Wild_Man> I was working on it, I think that is why\n<Wild_Man> I am doing pretty good\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, how you doing?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I am so lost ! .. I still have a blank template . Do I not need to signin and go through the ubuntu wiki HOME page ??\n<Wild_Man> no you should be able to just click the link you posted, that is what I did and it worked\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, may clear the cache on that page by going to more actions\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: My well being .. I have a pounding headache .. and my back hurts :(\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, do not worry about it tonight I will continue, I am doing good at the moment\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: After the cache clear ,,, I now have \"loco events\" of 18.04 .. I presune as the result of a script -- but that is all .\n<Bashing-om> presume*\n<Bashing-om> aspirin ! will be good for the effort .\n<Wild_Man> that is because I am working the page I think give me a minute I will save it then clear cache and try\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I saved it and stopped working try now please\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: ack\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, did not work?\n<Wild_Man> I do not understand all these shot three letters\n<Wild_Man> shot/short\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: What I see in a screen shot : http://i.imgur.com/q6suOv6.png .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, that is it, you have to remember it is a work in progress\n<Wild_Man> I have added all that so far\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: But -- you had advised you had been copying and pasteing from gdoc .. I see nothing from gdoc .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, no I said I was thinking about it and when you said you were going to take over I said you can copy and paste from gdoc\n<Wild_Man> I will take a break a few minutes and you can do that, look at my messages above to see how I suggested you do it\n<Wild_Man> I will be right here\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I give it my best.\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, good enough\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Still to this time I can not login (immutable page) . click sighin and that takes me to the ubuntu wuku home page .. on this page I am lost as to how to get to the wiki we are editing .\n<Bashing-om> wiki*\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, it should sign you in, it always directs you away from the page you were on now go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue523\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: there .\n<Wild_Man> You will still be logged in after you click on that link\n<Wild_Man> moin is something but it gets easier\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, you are signed in and on that page right?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Nope .. have \" Immutable Page \" . and if I cloik on signin takes me eventually to the ubuntu wiki HOME page . what other action than clicking signin is there ?\n<Wild_Man> it you go to the home page are you sign in\n<Wild_Man> it/when\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, ^^\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yes, ok .. so I ask again .. from the home page how to I get the wiki page we are editing ??\n<Wild_Man> leave that page open then just click on the link above to the wiki page we are working on and you should stayed signed in. You should see your name close to the top of the page that means you are signed in\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: trying :)\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yepper ! Making progress .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, you doing okay?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Up to;; .. the LoCo News section in the wiki . Moving real slow .. not checked my work to this time .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, preview it and let me know\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Ouch ! A lot of \" Edit conflict - other version:\" . Not seen what I can do about it !\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, that is why I said do one little piece at a time the check it\n<Wild_Man> bhave you saved it yet?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: No O have not saved it .. this is the 3rd section .\n<Bashing-om> no I have not *\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, is it looking better? I can not see it until it is saved but if it is real bad you can cancel it before it is saved\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: click cancel or try and see what the issue is ?\n<Wild_Man> If you want me to look save it\n<Wild_Man> but then it can not be canceled but I am sure we can fix it\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: At this point I am the more comfortable to cancel .. is no big deal to redo the c/p . family dramma at this time .. lemme attend to family . canceling out.\n<Wild_Man> ok thanks Bashing-om\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: and now logged out of the wiki\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, okay, you going to hang around?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yeah ,, back when things here settle out .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I have a lot of done now\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: You the man :) Moving right on along .. I be back at your back .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I am done for the night if you are up to it will you check all the links and make sure they work\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: That I can do :)\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, Thanks!\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: A quick look and looks good . checking links now .\n<Wild_Man> It still needs a little work, what is in this issue needs to be finished but I am to tired tonight\n<Wild_Man> Krytarik the wiki is mostly done, \"what is in this issue needs finished\"\n<Wild_Man> Info from askubuntu and I could not find unconfirmed bugs info, I did not try to compare previous +- bugs because the last news letter 17.10 was in dev or just released\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ko/3733-ubuntu-18.04-lts-release-party-@-busan/ does not complete .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, can you remove and save?\n<Wild_Man> If not just post the ones that do not work here and krytarik or I will remove them tomorrow\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yeah will do ..#2 http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ko/3729-ubuntu-18.04-lts-release-party-@-seoul/ . ) does not like the @ ??\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, without glasses I can barely see so I it needs removed please do so.\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I copied them right out of the terminal after running the command\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, be my guess that some of those loco teams no longer exist\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, the other links or working with the @ so it is not that\n<Wild_Man> or/are\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Is a long process to verify the links .. am up to \"Ubuntu 16.04 Updates\" and taking a short finger rest break .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I know, there is a lot of them\n<Wild_Man> I think there will be less next time since we are doing weekly\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: So far with 3 DNE's .. loco all .. maybe I see what is up prior to removing the loco entries .\n<Wild_Man> okay thanks\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Meeds to be done anyway .. just dewww eeeett .\n<Wild_Man> if I could not run a script to get them they would not be there at all\n<Wild_Man> soooo many!\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: That's a good idea ! back to verifying .\n<Bashing-om> links verified up to \"Ubuntu 17.10 Updates\" Break time !\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, thanks good work!\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: thought you had called it for this session :P\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I am relaxing with my wife, no more work, going to bed soon\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: My other half has hit the sheets . I got to be up at OH dark thirty but will finish what is on the plate !\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, thanks! do not over do it.\n<Bashing-om> Fixed the 3 Korean loco links and all links are all verified ! - NEXT - ??\n<Bashing-om> Calling it a night and catching 2 Zs - will pick this back up in about 5 hours .\n<krytarik> Bashing-om: Yeah, there is something funky about the '@' in the Korean LoCo's event links, nice you could figure it out too. And I don't think we're supposed to check all the update links.. :D\n<krytarik> ...Well, at least not manually anyway.\n<krytarik> Heh, looks like Wild_Man accidentally killed the template. :D\n<krytarik> Reverted.\n<krytarik> Oh, forgot the camelCase check..\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: making progress ... moving on along . next for me ?\n<krytarik> Morning. Nothing yet I guess, the wiki page is ready so far, and publishing is a bit later today.\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: HoKay :)\n<krytarik> Could have a look at the changes I've done there though. :)\n<krytarik> Basically a bunch of formatting fixes, and then the issue summary.\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: Got to run to towm .. a few minutes will and look soon .\n<Bashing-om> Looking now at what we have produced.\n<Bashing-om> By Golly ! .. I think we dooodd it . I am proud for us .\n<Wild_Man> hello krytarik, it is published correct? I can put it on the forum now?\n<krytarik> No, it's not published yet - I just dropped the 'work in progress' bit already because the wiki page is basically done.\n<krytarik> Otoh, I'm not sure why we shouldn't just start now.. :)\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: Wild_Man Me not know much .. but looked good to me .\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: By the way ,, I found the errors in those 3 Korea links and fixed .\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, okay! I left this in Security Team - 12 October 2017 - https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/10/12/security-team-weekly-summary-october-12-2017 even though it is old so we could move it to the gdoc so we can find it next time, do we leave it in the wiki or paste it to gdoc then remove ti?\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, nice! Thanks\n<Wild_Man> I assume it was not an error because of the copy and paste?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: No .. upstream from there .. As it is a party notice, do not know that is worth the time to find out where it breaks .\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Ugh, I didn't notice you carried those old ones over.. so please drop off the wiki, yes - not sure we want the March ones either, that is.\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: I failed there also to note old info :(\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, I did not carry it over they are already present so we can find the links easier next time. I just did not remove that one because it is not present in the gdoc\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, my thought is it is on the person that maintain the link to make sure it works on there end and not ours\n<Wild_Man> A lot of notes and some links are present in the template krytarik that is why it is there\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Quite possiblly .. we \"could\" drop an email to the originator .\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Ah yeah, they seem to be in the template too - so yes, those that aren't in the Google Doc too, please copy over.\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, do you have time to copy that link I posted above to the gdoc?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I can sure make the time .. is gdoc cleared for the next issue ?\n<Wild_Man> I have to get my morning meal and take my vitamins.\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I do not think so I think it is left in place and we create a new one every time\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I can move the insight link to gdoc and make a note to leave it .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, there is a note in that section that says leave these links already\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Done .. awaiting however to set the date for the security team .\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, I was going to move all the links to the end if the wiki last night I just got to tired by the time I got it all put there\n<Wild_Man> it is looking ggod\n<Wild_Man> good\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, you can leave the old dates for that link in place but you have to copy them from the wiki if the link is still in the wiki, it was October 2017\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Oh btw, you did pretty good work there. :)\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: K .. but my idea was to make it obvious there was OLD info in place .\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, thanks! since it is a template does it still go live when it is saved or is there something else that has to be done to publish it?\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, okay\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: That is, I was impressed it was almost all done when got up and looked at it. Oh, and wrt the 'Unconfirmed' bug stats, I just did what the comments in the template say - search for all bugs with the 'New' status.\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Mind ya I do not know the re-new gdocs process if ya say but the date in .. I for sure will .\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, okay\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: You seem to be confusing the template with the actual issue right now - anyway, the issue wiki page is already live of course.\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, most of it was an way copy and paste from gdoc, I left that part to the last\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, I do not quite understand that\n<tsimonq2> This Week in Lubuntu Development #3 is coming out as soon as I'm done with it. Can I sneak it in? ;)\n<krytarik> Nope!\n<tsimonq2> :))\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, it is published?\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Ok, well let's be even more clear and say 1.) the wiki page is already published, and just has to be linked in the various places, but 2.) it's not published to e.g. the Fridge either yet, similar to all the mail and social stuff.\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, right I just meant I can now post it to the forum?\n<krytarik> Yeah, I figure.\n<krytarik> Have got to start somewhere! :)\n<Wild_Man> I tsimonq2 is going to do the social media this time since I do not have access\n<Wild_Man> I/and\n<tsimonq2> Can y'all hold off for just like 30 minutes, unless you started the process already? ;)\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, to be honest linking it to other places I am not sure of those places\n<Wild_Man> I can wait\n<Wild_Man> not sure about krytarik it may be to late\n<tsimonq2> As long as you haven't done email yet, it's fine.\n<Wild_Man> no I do not think I have access to that, I my understanding you plan to do that this time\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Well, it's barely evening here too. :) And I still have got to go out even! Also, all the stuff generated by the publishing script, plus the wiki pages mentioned here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies - could start with that.\n<krytarik> Also, I've just overhauled the update scripts too.. >_>\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, I have to leave soon as well, I have a couple of appointments\n<krytarik> Yes, since I'm just done with the above, I'm about to leave for a bit now too. :)\n<Wild_Man> tsimonq2, do you leave some of the letter out when you post to the forum because of the issue sometimes the posts are to long and can not be posted? I knew this could happen but I thought for the letter it was not an issue anymore\n<Wild_Man> tsimonq2, I think I figured it out\n<tsimonq2> OK\n<tsimonq2> whoops\n<tsimonq2> https://lubuntu.me/this-week-in-lubuntu-development-3/\n<krytarik> Somebody could already start over on the Google Doc with this.. :)\n<Wild_Man> tsimonq2, does not work in source mode either\n<Wild_Man> tsimonq2, suggestions? I posted to ask the admins but I am doubt they have an answer\n<tsimonq2> Wild_Man: I can take care of it if you give me a min.\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: You did run the publishing script on it yet however, didn't you?\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, yes I did\n<krytarik> And what error message do you get there now?\n<Wild_Man> it looks good but the forum has rules against posts that are to long\n<Wild_Man> the script is working perfect\n<Wild_Man> forum security software is the issue\n<krytarik> I thought you'd circumvent those by being a staff member though?\n<Wild_Man> no the rules apply to me too\n<Wild_Man> that is why we post the wireless script to pastebin most of the time\n<Wild_Man> I could leave out some links in the letter then it would probably post\n<Wild_Man> I am curious how tsimonq2 will get it done\n<Wild_Man> he has been able to do it in the past\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: You haven't dropped the Oct 2017 link from the meeting section yet though.\n * tsimonq2 cracks knuckles\n<krytarik> And like I said, I'd drop the March ones too.\n<tsimonq2> What issue is this?\n<tsimonq2> (number)\n<krytarik> 523\n<Wild_Man> I thought Bashing-om did it ooops!\n<tsimonq2> kthx\n<Wild_Man> do I have time before tsimonq2 runs the script\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Sorry . I be a gofer, you did not direct me to take that action :)\n<tsimonq2> Wild_Man: I can rerun it.\n<tsimonq2> Do you need me to after you make an edit?\n<tsimonq2> krytarik: Pushed a helpful commit. Git pull, pl0x.\n<Wild_Man> tsimonq2, give me a minute, after I remove the links it might be small enough to go on the forum\n<krytarik> tsimonq2: Hehe yeah, that's a good idea.. :D\n<krytarik> tsimonq2: Also just noticed in this context, we should make the 'code' page default to the Git repos.. :)\n<tsimonq2> krytarik: code> doeeeeeeeetttttttttttt :)\n<tsimonq2> Wild_Man: OK.\n<tsimonq2> Wild_Man: Actually... wait wat O_o\n<tsimonq2> Wild_Man: Can you not, please :)\n<Wild_Man> tsimonq2, sorry I just removed the one link already.\n<tsimonq2> I haven't regenerated it yet.\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, I did not see any links from March\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Well, it's right there..\n<Wild_Man> tsimonq2, you can regenerate it now, I just removed one link but krytarik says there are links from March he may want to remove it\n<tsimonq2> OK\n<tsimonq2> gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah\n<tsimonq2> Your submission could not be processed because a security token was missing.\n<tsimonq2> If this occurred unexpectedly, please inform the administrator and describe the action you performed before you received this error. If possible, please include the error page URL plus the date and time the error occured.\n<Wild_Man> Like I said not eye glasses so I am having trouble seeing at the moment\n<tsimonq2> Tip : Please shorten long posts by using https://paste.ubuntu.com/ for terminal and log output and link to it in your posts.\n<tsimonq2> Ubuntu Forums\n<Wild_Man> I know but we do not do that for the letter do we?\n<krytarik> \"Sorry about that, Ubuntu Forums.\" :D\n<Wild_Man> I know this was an issue for liz for a while\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Tbh, if you can't see the two March links right above where you just removed the Oct 2017 one, I'm fine with that too.. At least they're from this year! :P\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, I totally did not see them\n<krytarik> And we didn't do any issue this year so far, soo.. :)\n<Wild_Man> tsimonq2, I know about pastebin but I did not think we do that for the letter when we post it\n<Wild_Man> I have looked for my glasses every where I can think of but they have been missing for six weeks\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, is there a way for the scripts that we use to get all those links to confirm they are working links otherwise they do not print them?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Behind the seat of the Pick-Up :)\n<krytarik> I'd just drop the 'updates' section with the billions of link and put a note there instead.\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, LOL\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, you mean to post it on the forum?\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Well, I was going to mention earlier, at least the ones in the 'updates' section are pulled directly from the mailing list archive pages, so they should be fine.\n<krytarik> Yes, I mean to get over the security hurdle there - I mean they are a lot! :P\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Sitting before this diaplay, I manage nicely to see with \"readers\" from the Dollar Store .\n<Wild_Man> Yes there is!\n<Bashing-om> display*\n<Wild_Man> I bought a pair from the store here but I guess I bought the wrong ones I have to hold the laptop in a certain place to see it so it is not feasible\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I get free glasses from the VA so I just have to wait for my appointment\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: So one could instead just link there to e.g.: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue523#Updates_and_Security_for_14.04.2C_16.04.2C_and_17.10 - or even do that for the subsections.\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, we might have to do that, tsimonq2 is working on it so we will see what he comes up with\n<krytarik> Or only do it for the normal updates, and leave the security ones there.\n<Wild_Man> I have to go I will check on the progress when I get back\n<Bashing-om> I am starting to work up sources for next week's letter .\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, is there a way to make the link I add for to the forum go to Updates for 17.10 only and I can leave the rest of the links in ?\n<Wild_Man> What I tried failed\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, you here?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Here :)\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, Rick just replied to my pm he is going to help us starting about the 1st of May\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Good man Rick .. Real glad he feels up to it . We need all the help we can get ,\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I am glad too\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Yes, like I suggested, keep the security updates as it is, but drop the direct links off all three sections for the normal updates, and replace them each with e.g.: \"Please see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue523#Ubuntu_14.04_Updates\"\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, I did not really want to drop all of them they help to fill out the letter even though I think they are ugly, I did drop 17.10 and added the link you suggested that was the best I could, I think it is good enough, next time I do not think it will be as long since it will only be a week worth of updates\n<Wild_Man> I have it posted to the forum\n<Bashing-om> Look'n !!\n<Wild_Man> I have to fix something to eat real quick I missed my meal\n<Bashing-om> \\o/\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: No, the way the scripts work anyway, is that they always pull the updates from the whole month so far - no idea if it was amended in the past issues though. And you decided to just drop the updates on the most recent release, yes..? :D\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, I am trying to leave as much content as possible so it will have a fuller look if I remove all the update section it is going to look bare\n<Wild_Man> I am not really happy with either option\n<krytarik> Well yeah, thinking about it this way, I guess an empty section in the middle would look a bit odd indeed. :P\n<Wild_Man> No good option in my opinion\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: So do you want to do steps 20-24 on EditingPolicies with me in the meantime then? :) I already looked at what that really means.\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, to do you have access to the mailing list?\n<Wild_Man> I am looking now\n<Wild_Man> I have the page open reviewing\n<krytarik> I'm not subscribed to either mailing list yet, no.\n<krytarik> Basically it refers all to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, yes I can do 20 and 21 or if you are busy I can do them all\n<krytarik> I'd like the second option. :D I'm also taking dinner right now.\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, okay!\n#ubuntu-news 2018-04-17\n<Wild_Man> tsimonq2, I have published the letter to the forum, I did try the mailing list but it failed, I figure I do not have the proper access\n<Wild_Man> pleia2, when you have time would you please give us access to the social media and the m/l? I assume that is why the m/l with the letter was rejected\n<krytarik> (..I already have got access to the first, but I didn't want to do social media.)\n<pleia2> krytarik already has access to all the social media stuff\n<pleia2> are you subscribed to the mailing list? I don't see anything in the queue\n<krytarik> I know for a fact that Wild_Man is used to doing this for the forums, so.. :)\n<krytarik> Yes, because it got rejected outright - I suspect content filter.\n<Wild_Man> I subscribed about 15 minutes ago then I sent the letter to the mailing list and it came back as rejected\n<pleia2> what email address did you send from?\n<Wild_Man> wildmanne39@ubuntu.com\n<Wild_Man> it may be an issue with that\n<pleia2> you're not a member of the mailing list\n<Wild_Man> I guess it is not showing up yet, I did not receive a reply after I signed up\n<Wild_Man> should I have received a reply?\n<pleia2> yeah, you have confirm membership\n<pleia2> so random people can't just sign you up\n<Wild_Man> maybe it is just taking its time then\n<pleia2> check spam filter too? it shouldn't take long\n<Wild_Man> ok\n<Wild_Man> Okay I am a member now\n<pleia2> ok, try to send now\n<Wild_Man> still rejected\n<pleia2> can you forward me the rejection notice? lyz@ubuntu.com\n<Wild_Man> yes\n<pleia2> the mailing list is configured to hold messages from members for moderation, so I'm not sure what's happening :\\\n<krytarik> I already thought earlier the size or the sheer amount of links today might matter..\n<Wild_Man> the message I doubt is helpful\n<pleia2> Wild_Man: can you forward me the entire email? not just the text, I know what the text is :)\n<Wild_Man> ok\n<Wild_Man> brb\n<pleia2> Wild_Man: sorry, not the UWN text, I'm asking for you to forward me the exact rejection notice that you got from the ubuntu news mailing list\n<pleia2> not just copying the rejection text into an email, forward the full rejection email\n<pleia2> I'm still not seeing your address as subscribed to the mailing list :\\\n<Wild_Man> I just sent the full rejection there is not much there but when it came back the letter is as an attachment but that is not how I sent it\n<Wild_Man> does it take time for the servers to catch up?\n<pleia2> you subscribed to ubuntu-news-team, but not ubuntu-news\n<Wild_Man> okay\n<krytarik> ..Funny, at logging in to the Fridge's WP, I can't continue if the ubuntu-fridge team membership box isn't ticked - but it won't give me any access other than to my profile settings then anyway. :P\n<pleia2> Wild_Man: so you need to subscribe to ubuntu-news and then I can click the box to let your messages through automatically\n<pleia2> I can't do this until you subscribe though\n<Wild_Man> doing now\n<pleia2> krytarik: are you able to update social media? or share whatever is needed with others?\n<pleia2> I need to step out to run some errands before everything closes ;)\n<krytarik> Tbh, I didn't think of the latter option yet.. :P\n<krytarik> And yes, goo!\n<Wild_Man> I am signed up!\n<pleia2> still not showing up :( https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-news this one?\n<pleia2> you're definitely on ubuntu-news-team, but that's just for discussion, ubuntu-news is the one you need to be on in order to send/receive the newsletter itself\n<Wild_Man> pleia2, yes I signed yp but it may take a minute to show up, do what you need to and it will be here when you get back\n<pleia2> ah, you signed up with your gmail account\n<pleia2> you need to sign up with the ubuntu.com address if that's the one you want to send the newsletter from\n<Wild_Man> on my end it shows with the ubuntu one\n<Wild_Man> it does not matter\n<pleia2> ubuntu-news-team has the ubuntu address, ubuntu-news has the gmail account\n<pleia2> you want to send the newsletter from your gmail account?\n<Wild_Man> I sent them from both from thunderbird with the same settings\n<Wild_Man> yes that is okay\n<pleia2> I don't love it, but if you must\n<Wild_Man> I do not know why it did that but I do not have tome to figure it out this second\n<Wild_Man> I will work on it\n<pleia2> your gmail account can send to the list now\n<Wild_Man> Thanks\n<pleia2> any luck?\n<pleia2> ok, I actually do need to go out now ;) I'll check back upon my return if you're still having trouble with anything\n<Wild_Man> it has not been rejected yet\n<krytarik> Fwiw, I can't seem to log in to Facebook at all due to what seems to be an issue with it and Firefox currently - keeps on saying 'cookies required'...\n<tsimonq2> krytarik: Give it what it wants!\n<tsimonq2> Cookies are good.\n<tsimonq2> Especially chocolate chip.\n<tsimonq2> :P\n<krytarik> Well, they are enabled though.. :P\n<Bashing-om> Uuummmmm Chocolate Chip Cookies :D\n<Unit193> Oatmeal Raisin*\n<tsimonq2> Sugar cookies?\n<Wild_Man> tsimonq2, we have made progress with posting to the forum and I think the mailing list went through this time\n<tsimonq2> ok\n<Wild_Man> if you want me to do twitter in the future since krytarik does not have a twitter account let me know and we can set it up\\\n<tsimonq2> krytarik has the ability to do Twitter.\n<Wild_Man> ok\n<pleia2> Wild_Man: you can always check the mailing list archives to check if it's been posted :) it has https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/\n<Wild_Man> pleia2, thanks\n<krytarik> Nobody has thought of or decided for 'claiming' the custom URL on Google+ yet..? :P\n<pleia2> you can't until you have a certain number of followers\n<pleia2> but look at that, we do now!\n<krytarik> Yes!\n<pleia2> done :)\n<krytarik> And here I thought 178 was little.. :P\n<pleia2> https://plus.google.com/+UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter\n<krytarik> Yeep! \\o/\n<pleia2> could be they loosened the restrictions on it, when I claimed +Xubuntu we for sure had over 1000\n<krytarik> Oh yeah, that could be too.\n<Wild_Man> pleia2, do I have to join this list to send them email loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com\n<pleia2> yes\n<Wild_Man> thanks\n<pleia2> if you don't want to receive emails from the list, there's a setting for that after you subscribe\n<Wild_Man> ok\n<Wild_Man> pleia2, is this the one I need https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts\n<pleia2> yes\n<Wild_Man> thanks\n<krytarik> Google+ certainly does an amount of caching there too.. :P\n<pleia2> Google+ is terrible\n<tsimonq2> Ditto.\n<krytarik> And while Wild_Man is gonna do Twitter after the mailing list, I still can't do Facebook nor the Fridge of course.\n * tsimonq2 punts to pleia2 \n<tsimonq2> I hate Facebook. :P\n<tsimonq2> I can do the Fridge.\n<pleia2> krytarik: would you like me to do facebook?\n<krytarik> pleia2: Well yes, since it doesn't appear to work with Firefox currently, and I can't technically use Chrome/ium either. :P\n<pleia2> ok, done\n<krytarik> Btw, since I'm just looking at the Fridge's front page again - was it used to be all monospace for the forwarded release announcements and such?\n<pleia2> no, I think guiverc uses the WYSIWYG editor to paste in the announcements from the mailing lists, so they don't have the native formatting that old posts have\n<guiverc> from lists.ubuntu & yeah I don't worry much about formatting\n<Wild_Man> pleia2, I posted to twitter, I think the format is right\n<Wild_Man> All M/L are done\n<guiverc> is there a wiki on formatting for fridge that anyone knows? or is it markdown/wiki-like?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Publishing complete ?\n<Wild_Man> I think so\n<Bashing-om> Then we can all get a good nights sleep :P\n<Wild_Man> I am going to relax, I have not even turned the tv on today\n<krytarik> I haven't watched TV for like 4 days now - but I'm pretty sure I didn't miss much either.. :P\n<pleia2> guiverc: it's HTML\n<Bashing-om> Somebody break out the champaign ( Chocolate Chip Cookies goes well ) :P\n<pleia2> congrats everyone :)\n<Wild_Man> when I sent out the emails for the summary writers there was an email in there that said something like reply to this email address if you need to contact us, is it possible some writers have been replying to that address and no one has looked?\n<Wild_Man> \\o/\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, to put the stuff from gdoc into the wiki you just need to copy and paste it into the proper section and it should be formatted correctly\n<Wild_Man> pleia2, when do we start a new gdoc?\n<pleia2> you just delete the stuff from the existing gdoc and start over\n<pleia2> don't delete the headings ;) just the articles\n<Wild_Man> okay that is what I wonder as well, I for sure was going to leave the headings or I would be lost\n<pleia2> Wild_Man: the ubuntu news gmail account?\n<pleia2> I don't remember what email address is referenced in the email\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: copy paste for the most part . only bit of formnatting I recall is the summary heading inclosed between 3 dashes. na ofcourse spacing between entries .\n<Wild_Man> pleia2, says editors email account\n<pleia2> I'll look at the doc\n<Wild_Man> it is the one with the summary writers email addresses\n<pleia2> ah, editor.ubuntu.news@ubuntu.com\n<pleia2> no one has emailed that account, I do check it\n<Wild_Man> okay thanks, I had three yeses and one new person is going to start the first of next month\n<pleia2> that's good to hear :)\n<Wild_Man> indeed!\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: What browser are you running ?? I am presently using chromium and had to install 2 plugins for c/p to gdoc .\n<Wild_Man> I am using FF\n<pleia2> I'm using Chrome and never had a problem c/p to/from gdocs\n<Wild_Man> you copy and paste the heading and all the contest under that heading and it should be formatted perfectly\n<Wild_Man> it was all the other stuff that took me a while last night\n<Bashing-om> pleia2: After I got the plugins installed both gdoc and chromiun were happy to cooperate .\n<Wild_Man> I need to take some meds\n<pleia2> Wild_Man: sometimes that's how I feel after publishing UWN too ;)\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Speaking of all the other stuff, please \"git pull\" again on the script repo.\n<Wild_Man> ok\n<krytarik> ..Pahaha. :D\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, we did not miss publishing anywhere did we?\n<Wild_Man> happy days, I just received another reply yes from a summary writer\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: tsimonq2 is gonna do the Fridge he said, but otherwise nah.\n<Wild_Man> That is what I thought but I wanted to make sure there is a lot of details to check when publishing as I learned today\n<krytarik> Which fwiw, is the source I personally get the UWN from.. :P\n<krytarik> Well, at least you subscribed to all the mailing lists today.. And I didn't have to yet! \\o/\n<krytarik> So next time it'll be much less time-consuming.\n<Wild_Man> very true\n<tsimonq2> krytarik: Wanna take Fridge?\n<krytarik> tsimonq2: ...Unless you magically made my account there anything more than dumb, I can't still. :P\n<tsimonq2> krytarik: Have you cleared your cache?\n<krytarik> Well, it was like this right from the start - and as I noticed just earlier, one can't even log in without being in and ticking the appropriate team.\n<krytarik> To be clear, I can log in but I only get the profile settings then.\n<krytarik> (And yes, I just also cleared the cache.)\n<guiverc> krytarik: i have to add a /wpmin something to get more options (note: i'm no expert - i just follow notes)\n<krytarik> Yes, of course one has to append \"wp-admin/\" to get there in the first place.\n<krytarik> I'm currently looking at the dashboard, that is. :)\n<pleia2> krytarik: did you submit a ticket?\n<krytarik> Not in the last 1.5 days yet, no.\n<pleia2> ok\n<krytarik> I seem to have been busy enough as is already. :P\n<pleia2> no worries, just wanted to make sure you weren't stuck or anything\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: Could I please get a peer review? http://ubuntu-news.org/2018/04/17/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-523/\n<tsimonq2> I haven't done this in months, ya know. ;)\n<pleia2> hehe\n * pleia2 has a look\n<pleia2> ltgm, all links check out\n<tsimonq2> \\o/\n<Wild_Man> sounds like we passed?\n<tsimonq2> Looks like it. :)\n<pleia2> yes, gold stars all around!\n<Wild_Man> :)\n<Bashing-om> :)\n<krytarik> pleia2: https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=28954 - this is the one about the previous occasion I mentioned btw.\n<pleia2> interesting, 2016 is after they revoked our access and told us they wouldn't give it back x_x\n<krytarik> Yes, that's what I was particularly thinking of here.\n<pleia2> but now that I look at it, we do have admin on xubuntu.org\n<pleia2> curious\n<krytarik> Yes. :D\n<Bashing-om> pleia2: krytarik :; Sharpening our tools are we ?\n<krytarik> More like looking for the lost marbles..\n<Bashing-om> LOL ...\n<Bashing-om> I jave little marbles to loose .. so I sure got to find some .\n* tsimonq2 changed the topic of #ubuntu-news to: The Ubuntu News Channel - You report it, we publish it! [M\n<tsimonq2> C[M\n<tsimonq2> C[M\n<tsimonq2> C[M\n<tsimonq2> C[M\n<tsimonq2> C[M\n<tsimonq2> I *suck* at this.\n<tsimonq2> Argh.\n<tsimonq2> Bear with me, lol.\n<Wild_Man> takes practice\n<Wild_Man> I do not use op's often\n<pleia2> tsimonq2: pro tip: use the chanserv topic command and then no one knows who is doing it, or messing up ;)\n* tsimonq2 changed the topic of #ubuntu-news to: The Ubuntu News Channel - You report it, we publish it! Serving the Fridge, Ubuntu Weekly News, and other fine publications. | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewsTeam | Current UWN Prep: http://bit.ly/vDkJyf\n<tsimonq2> That double space has been annoying me. :P\n<pleia2> lol\n<tsimonq2> pleia2: chanserv> But that's no fun. :P\n<tsimonq2> Also, first topic update in 3.5 years \\o/\n * Bashing-om likey \\o/\n<krytarik> You just wanted to have your name on it! :(\n<tsimonq2> krytarik: No, I just despise double spaces.\n<tsimonq2> And, the lack of Oxford commas.\n<tsimonq2> ::P\n<tsimonq2> *:P\n<krytarik> Yeah, true me too, and I know another one too. :P\n<tsimonq2> Although, I know how much pleia2 *loves* the Oxford comma. ;)\n<pleia2> they should only be used when necessary for clarity :P\n<krytarik> Yes! Same! \\o/\n<tsimonq2> No, they should be used *always*. :P\n<Bashing-om> and the krytarik periods :)\n<krytarik> You mean more like spurious spaces.. :P\n<tsimonq2> Oh, and \"..\" instead of \"...\"\n<tsimonq2> >_>\n<krytarik> Yes, I variate there!\n<tsimonq2> (Only in #ubuntu-news do we argume about grammar. :P)\n<tsimonq2> *argue\n<pleia2> hehe\n<Bashing-om> And style, content, and, presentation :)\n<krytarik> Period!\n<Bashing-om> LOL\n<tsimonq2> That extra comma...\n<tsimonq2> :P\n<krytarik> Yes.. :(\n<Bashing-om> Late for the date for some rack time .. we do this more tomorrow :)\n<krytarik> Cool, managed to log in to Facebook now - somehow..\n<krytarik> So, given what we now know about the admin on Canonical-hosted WordPress thing, it just occurred to me that it might yield a better outcome if, rather than having them fix the role level (to anything other than blank options) for a single team member (me), we request the role level be raised to admin for everybody on the ubuntu-fridge team. :)\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, howefield fixed it where the whole news letter can be posted on the forum, so I added the updates for 17.10\n<krytarik> Oh cool - I shouldn't ask what did it.. :P\n<Wild_Man> pleia2, tsimonq2 I received two emails today one of them with profanity in it about wanting to be removed from the newsletter mailing list, I figure I should reply with the message go to the mailing list page and include the link to unsubscribe but I just want to make sure that is the protocol?\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, he has not told me yet, he fixed it and went off line but no I would not post it here in the open channel anyway\n<tsimonq2> Wild_Man: Please forward me the email, and I can take care of it.\n<pleia2> Wild_Man: PM me their email addresses and I'll remove them, you can reply by saying something like \"In the future, be aware that you can unsubscribe yourself by going logging in to the mailing list page\"\n<tsimonq2> Er\n * tsimonq2 tags pleia2 \n<tsimonq2> pleia2: Thanks. :)\n<pleia2> no sense in making them jump through hoops to unsubscribe if they're already unhappy\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: I mean that's probably technicalities I wouldn't be particularly interested in knowing. :P\n<Wild_Man> true\n<Wild_Man> I am going to see if I can find some links, I have been at the VA almost all day\n<Wild_Man> I did clear out the gdoc last night so it is ready\n<Wild_Man> I also need to pm Rick with links to this channel and the wiki page before I forget\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, has bashing-om been here today?\n<krytarik> Not yet.\n<Wild_Man> ok\n<Wild_Man> will pleia2 and thanks tsimonq2\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, are you thinking about trying to make a script to pull from the hub? or does that fall into the same category as the forum?\n<krytarik> Well, I already gave a statement about this some days ago - please see the public logs of this channel.\n<Wild_Man> ok\n<Wild_Man> tsimonq2, what exactly is the purpose of this page http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/04/17/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-523/\n<tsimonq2> Wild_Man: What about it?\n<krytarik> I'm just writing a script however, that creates the 'in this issue' list automatically. :P\n<Wild_Man> what is its purpose since it is just a short version of the letter, I am just wondering why have it at all?\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, that is awesome!\n<pleia2> Wild_Man: the fridge is the community news blog, some people subscribe to it to get news, including UWN\n<pleia2> this is also how the newsletter gets to planet.ubuntu.com\n<pleia2> so just like we post it to the mailing list, forums, social media... fridge is just another place where people get to see it\n<Wild_Man> pleia2, so the planet gets the shortened version with the link to see the full version?\n<pleia2> yes\n<pleia2> the full version is too long for a blog :)\n<Wild_Man> Thanks for clearing that up\n<Wild_Man> hello Bashing-om\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, for most sections we really only need about 3 stories correct?\n<Wild_Man> I added 3 to the planet section\n<krytarik> Well, I'd say no more than 5 or such.\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Here we go again .. I see the gdoc has begun for next issue :)\n<Wild_Man> okay we are thnking along the same lines\n<krytarik> Depends on what you find the week, of course.\n<Wild_Man> of course\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I cleared it out last night so it would be easy to start today\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Gonna add 2 links to general ..\n<Wild_Man> good deal Bashing-om, howefield fixed the forum issue for us so now the whole news letter is on the forum\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Hreat news about the forum .. lemme check the rss feed .. see what I can find for gdoc .\n<Bashing-om> Great*\n<Wild_Man> what other sources can we use under canonical it says most come from insights.ubuntu.com so that implies we may get some from other sources?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: This one: http://www.roaksoax.com/2018/04/maas-2-4-0-beta-2-released . Put it under conical or cloud or blog ???\n<wildmanne39> never mind about the question above I found the answer\n<Bashing-om> wildmanne39: Ehat are your thouhgts on MAAS . The AP is cloud directed .. and Cononical is the driver but the source is from a blog .\n<Bashing-om> What*\n<wildmanne39> It could go under cloud, we have three other ones in the Planet already Bashing-om\n<wildmanne39> it may be a question to asked the experienced people on there thoughts, either way is okay with me\n<wildmanne39> I am going to log out and see if I can get back on now as Wild Man\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yepper I too think cloud for MAAS :)\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, it is more appropriate\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Nope, no can do ,, as the source is a blog .. and no blogs in the Cloud and no summaries . .. I Put the MAAS source in the blog section .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, any idea how to undo an edit we were working in the same section and it blew up\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, never mind I found the undo button and fixed it\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, if it can not go in the cloud then it is more appropriate in the Planet section where I found it\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I guess this falls out side of what we should publish but it is interesting https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/04/microsoft-linux-custom-kernel-azure-sphere?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28OMG%21+Ubuntu%21%29\n<Wild_Man> biab I need to do a few things\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Lemme sign oot of gdoc .. and back in .. see what the state is .. as to kernel-azure . I was going to look at that one in length and then see if we could make it relevant .\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: gdoc looks all right to me at this time .\n<Wild_Man> I fixed Bashing-om\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: K .. ack to \"looking for sources\"\n<Bashing-om> back*\n<Wild_Man> eating Bashing-om\n#ubuntu-news 2018-04-18\n<Wild_Man> I thought all news from insights.ubuntu.com goes under Canonical News is that not the case?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Well, we can make it so .. area of interest ? For now my effort is to get the sources onto gdocs with the thought that they will be re-arranged :)\n<Wild_Man> I have been putting them where I believe they fut the best, less work later just my opinion and also makes it easier to see what areas we need to add links too and the ones we have enough in already\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, ^^\n<Wild_Man> fut/fit\n<krytarik> Issue summary script done and pushed! \\o/\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, so just do a pull again?\n<krytarik> Yep.\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, I bet you could do one to do the Bug Stats\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I do try and place where belongs . But in the interest of getting done and moving on .. place it \"somewhere\" . Do we have an interest in highlighting \" Call for testing: mongodb 3.6 \" ?\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, not in my opinion, you could save the link in case we meed more material later but so far we are getting plenty\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Sounds good .\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Well, I thought about that shortly, but it's easy enough to get manually, polling the LP API is rather convoluted, and I'd wage a guess that getting the diff to the previous week automatically too would be rather infeasible either. (I had to research \"unfeasible\" vs \"infeasible\" in the meantime..)\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, I see, and funny to the last part\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, this links helps me also understand where I should place links and also more places to check for links\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: ^^ ya mean this link : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/LinkSuggestions ?\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, yes\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I running through it at this time .\n<krytarik> Looking at the Google Doc now, yes I agree with Wild_Man, please try and put the links in the appropriate sections right away - also, no feed links, but the one to the actual website.\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: Willdo :)\n<krytarik> Also just removed a spurious link from last week.\n<krytarik> And the ones that are in the blog section currently also shouldn't have those long referrer appendages.\n<krytarik> (I'll quickly fix the latter.)\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, the link you removed was it in the Weekly Ubuntu Development Team Meetings section?\n<krytarik> No, it was desktop team weekly summary, and also was in the 'other community' section, and also no proper link but funky formatting.\n<krytarik> Which made it a bit more noticable to begin with. :)\n<Wild_Man> I understand. I have been going to the site to copy the links instead of using the ones in the feed, that is just something I have always done to make sure the link works\n<krytarik> Bashing-om: To be clear, by the first one I mean the two links that are currently sitting in the 'general news' section - one of which is a blog post, and the other one is also this: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/d0od/~3/nrn74a2oqZY/ubuntu-studio-plans-to-reboot\n<krytarik> Which is also actually a duplicate.\n<Bashing-om> We have planets' \" http://www.roaksoax.com/2018/04/maas-2-4-0-beta-2-released \" in blogs .. it is a blog .. should it remain in blogs ?\n<krytarik> If it's on the Planet, it belongs in there.\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Yes, exactly, that's the way to go. :)\n<Wild_Man> I also read the info in the section where we edit the template as we are preparing it they sections marked with # gives a lot of good information and even what is on the planet it says put in the planet only if it does not fit better somewhere else\n<krytarik> Ah right, the LoCo News situation recently.. :D\n<Wild_Man> According to that this link \" http://www.roaksoax.com/2018/04/maas-2-4-0-beta-2-released \" in blogs .. it is a blog .. should it remain in blogs is best suited for the cloud section.\n<krytarik> But, in that case it promoted the article, not demoted.\n<Wild_Man> I pasted to much of the text and made it unreadable, that link I just posted should e in the cloud section\n<Wild_Man> e/be\n<Wild_Man> This is what I was thinking of \"The Planet\n<Wild_Man> This section includes articles published by Ubuntu Members on their personal blogs. Articles should remain in this section if they can't be moved to another more appropriate area.\"\n<Bashing-om> Calling it a night . looked over a few of the items, getting some ideas for the summaries . Work on them tomorrow . \\o\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: An insight article - not generated from canonical : https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/04/18/eclipse-2018-survey-the-iot-landscape-what-it-empirically-looks-like ; maybe better placed in general ?\n<pleia2> the report they're talking about may not have been generated by Canonical, but the article certainly is, with a focus on Ubuntu\n<pleia2> so I'd still say it's Canonical News\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, there is your answer, I was a little slow\n<Wild_Man> thanks pleia2\n<pleia2> sorry, didn't mean to interrupt :)\n<Wild_Man> pleia2, you did not all input is greatly appreciated, I just want to make sure he sees that you replied to him\n<Bashing-om> pleia2: Good article heavy on ubuntu . // Next is a couple of large conference advisories .. put them under Loco ?\n<pleia2> depends on whether a LoCo is running them\n<pleia2> Canonical does their own events often that don't engage the local communities\n<Bashing-om> pleia2: The one I am looking at presenly is created by Canonical : KubeCon + CloudnativeCon Europe 2018 .\n<Wild_Man> pleia2, do you think this has a place? it is kinda of ironic to me, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/04/microsoft-linux-custom-kernel-azure-sphere?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28OMG%21+Ubuntu%21%29\n<pleia2> Bashing-om: link?\n<pleia2> Wild_Man: That one probably goes under \"other articles of interest\"\n<Bashing-om> pleia2: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/04/18/kubecon-cloudnativecon-europe-2018 .\n<pleia2> Bashing-om: ah yeah, that's Canonical, not LoCo\n<Wild_Man> I have a facebook friend that give me links sometimes, I have added two from her today but she does not want to contribute directly\n<Wild_Man> thanks pleia2, I thought that might be the case if it was something we should allow\n<Wild_Man> I installed updates last night for 18.04 and now my laptop is warm and the fan is running all the time, I need to see if I can find or file a bug about it\n<Wild_Man> brb\n#ubuntu-news 2018-04-19\n<krytarik> LOL, I was just about to go ahead finally and file a ticket for me on the WP role issue at the Fridge - but glad I checked before once again still.. :D\n<pleia2> krytarik: does it work now?\n<krytarik> Yes, it does - to the extent that's expected anyway. :)\n<pleia2> great\n<pleia2> problems solving themselves \\o/\n<krytarik> Yeep!\n<krytarik> Also, I've got a simple idea how to get the top 5 threads on the forums too - by using the link I posted earlier (will have to scour the logs for it) and then just manually picking the first five threads that started in the same week. :P\n<pleia2> that works, it's how we did the AskUbuntu one before someone wrote us a script\n<krytarik> Just got to pulling it, for everyone else again: https://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchdate=7&sortby=replycount&searchfromtype=vBForum%3APost&forumchoice[]=327&forumchoice[]=125&prefixchoice[]=&childforums=1&type[]=1\n<Bashing-om> getter done .. here I go again :P\n<krytarik> I just updated the translation stats script btw - regardless of whether or not we want to continue using it in the future.\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: Human Machine Interface: http://www.electronicdesign.com/industrial-automation/choosing-right-linux-distribution-your-embedded-application . Toward the end of the article is ubuntu - can we put this in the general heading ?\n<krytarik> Certainly not in General, no.\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: K; so please define for me what constitues a palcement in general - How intensive of an effort to fill that heading ? .\n<krytarik> \"Suggested sources: ubuntu-news-team mailing list, fridge.ubuntu.com\" - from the comments in the template.\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: ack\n<Bashing-om> A family concern of a grandchild - school and conduct - I will rerurn when the pressing matter is concluded .\n<krytarik> :D\n<oerheks> yay, adblockers legal ( in Germany ) https://yro.slashdot.org/story/18/04/19/2041236/german-supreme-court-rules-ad-blockers-legal\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, you around?\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Yep. Seen the channel log of earlier today yet? :)\n<Wild_Man> no. I will read it now, guessing it is important?\n#ubuntu-news 2018-04-20\n<Bashing-om> Michael Larabel is some kind of prolifferant . Getting boreing \" Michael Larabel writes \" .\n<krytarik> Could always variate at the verb at least though! :P\n<Bashing-om> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Rise-Tomb-Raider-Linux-Tomorrow is outdated by the former article . remove it ?\n<Bashing-om> http://news.softpedia.com/news/kde-applications-open-source-software-suite-gets-first-major-release-in-2018-520768.shtml though more detailed is a repeat of the ups Michael Larabel article .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, by what former article?\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I realize that link that Tomb Raider has already been released today but I see it as just a way to let people know that it has been released, just my opinion we will see what krytarik thinks and the second link to me in no way just restates that gnome has been released it talks about many apps so, I looked that that before I posted it, I think it is good to keep it again just my opinion I am not an expert at this\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I have been thinking about the Tomb Raider link since it will be next week before we publish I think you are correct we should remove it, we can probably find an updated one to replace it with\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Does not this suffuce for Tomb raider \"https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=tomb-raider-20 ' in our summary ?\n<krytarik> Someone please reword the KDE Applications summary. :P\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, that will do, I looked at the the kde application link again and the writer of that article changed his article from just talking about Dolphin to include all the things in the link you posted so it is a duplicate now but the second link is better I think we should leave that one and remove the first one\n<krytarik> Or in fact, pick the Softpedia one in favor of that.\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, that is what I am saying as well, it is better in my opinion\n<krytarik> Yeah, I've just read your last message. :)\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, I am curious do it show me logged into gdoc? I see you and Bashing-om but not myself, I assume that is the way gdoc is supposed to be\n<Wild_Man> do/does\n<krytarik> Yeah, one always just sees the other ones.\n<Wild_Man> ok\n<Wild_Man> I hope Bashing-om looks in here to see what we said about removing that link because I think he is trying to rewrite the summary, I wonder if I should remove it?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Agreed .. to scrap Michael Larabel's article and write up the release article .\n<krytarik> Yeep! :D\n<krytarik> Also, the robot summary is both too short and the sentence doesn't really make sense to me at the end.\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, I am not good at grammar these days, why does not summary need rewritten?\n<Wild_Man> not/that, I really need to triple check my typing before posting in here\n<krytarik> Also, keep in mind that this time we'll also try and sling in the other editors - so there will hopefully a bit more review be going on than just us three.\n<Wild_Man> I hope more summary writers as well but I would hate to leave the summaries until the weekend and be disappointed, so I do not know.\n<Wild_Man> I only received four replies out of about 30\n<guiverc> Wild_Man: as someone who wrote to writers regularly after summaries, 4 replies of 30 is actually very good! Lyz would probably say its an outstanding response! likewise Simon..\n<Wild_Man> guiverc, It sure is better then none\n<guiverc> also I only have 'view mode' to doc, writers will need write access to gdoc too\n<krytarik> guiverc: If you would like write access to it, PM me your email address and I can add you.\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, did you look the gdoc down so people can not easily edit it?\n<guiverc> PM - you're stretching an old guy like me... (let me know you got it)\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: We did last we after a lengthy discussion - don't you remember?\n<krytarik> ..Week.\n<Wild_Man> lets not talk about getting older guiverc\n<Wild_Man> I was not sure that it was actually done\n<Wild_Man> Yes I remember the discussion\n<Wild_Man> I hope if the summary writers show up to write that they pop in here.\n<guiverc> Would be nice, but I never saw it (I didn't do email summaries that long anyway -- i did ~50 contribs before I actually entered this room anyway\n<Wild_Man> I am afraid if the come and see they can not write to the gdoc that they will just leave\n<Wild_Man> the/they\n<krytarik> Well, I certainly don't want to check every day if anybody has planted an easter egg someplace in it.. :P Unlike just deleting the whole thing like last week, which is pretty obvious.\n<krytarik> And e.g. my computer can't really handle the docs' history function at all, so..\n<Wild_Man> Do you want to add the emails of the people that replied and said they would help? or wait until they show up?\n<krytarik> If they are Gmail ones, I guess yes.\n<Wild_Man> they have to be gmail?\n<krytarik> Yep, or connected to it.\n<oerheks> oerheks@ubuntu.com was not valid :-(\n<guiverc> why not just mention in email that they'll need to request-write access (if they don't already have it)... ie. warning & be ready for responses...\n<guiverc> i noted a 'request write' access on gdoc (alas after I'd mentioned access here)\n<Wild_Man> guiverc, that is what I was thinking of doing, is editing the email that goes out to the summary writers\n<guiverc> :)\n<Bashing-om> We have enough material ? ( still need to populate general) Do we want to write up a success story on the Dell XPS on 18.04 ?\n<Bashing-om> https://daniel.holba.ch/blog/2018/04/a-month-with-dell-xps-13-9370/\n<krytarik> General is really only for official community news.\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, we can probably use it but as krytarik said not in General, I am having trouble finding articles to put in this section\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: Yup, and my official community news sources are skimppy this week :P\n<krytarik> Iirc it isn't always populated.\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: Well, yeah .. got nothing to say, best say nothing :)\n<krytarik> Yuup! :)\n<krytarik> Bashing-om: As to the above post, maybe replace the literally one-sentence gksu one with it..?\n<krytarik> Could write about the OMG post on it instead then if you'd like.\n<krytarik> ..Or that was someplace else.\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: Might be able to flesh out the gksu issue ,, seen some flack in the channels in that respect .\n<krytarik> I mean it's kind of important, so we should find some proper post about it.\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: See what i can find - uncle Google !\n<krytarik> Yep! At it too! :P\n<krytarik> Or just wait two days.. :P\n<Bashing-om> Saturday will bring it's own problems . let us deal with what is now . gksu !\n<Wild_Man> the one I posted by Jeremy Bicha has a link to the bug report on how to do it now, he is the dev that removed it\n<krytarik> Yeah, but no details whatsoever..\n<krytarik> I mean that's like linking to the bug report directly - except with one more click.\n<krytarik> http://www.linux-magazin.de/news/ubuntu-18-04-lts-verzichtet-auf-gksu/ - the German one I had in mind there instead btw. :P\n<krytarik> So I'd say we wait a day at least and see what more pops up.\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: Yup seen that , points to : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=892768 and we can reference the bug to flesh out the summary .\n<krytarik> That's like writing a post yourself..\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: Would for sure be stretching the definition of \"summary\" .\n<Wild_Man> this is from today https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2389656&highlight=gksusetting it up is a bother\n<krytarik> Yes...\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: As An aside, I have no used gksu in ages ... since I seen the man page for ' sudo -H ' .\n<krytarik> I'll go to bed now, good night folks! :)\n<krytarik> I have never used 'sudo -H' myself yet tbh.\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, sudo -H no longer works either\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I still use it here on xubuntu 18.04 .\n<Wild_Man> I tried earlier on Ubuntu it is a no go\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Ouch .. lemme test ! updates may have killed it .\n<krytarik> Who needs root anymore... :D\n<Wild_Man> I do!\n<krytarik> Such a stickler to the core..\n<Wild_Man> Yep!\n<krytarik> Fwiw, I always use 'sudo -i'.. :P\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: ' sudo -H ' upper case h .. still works for me .\n<Wild_Man> that is good\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, sudo -i does work\n<krytarik> See, I always use the most robust stuff! :P\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: However, I can believe that I must learn policyKit .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, sudo -H works for me now, I guess 18.04 was acting up earlier\n<Wild_Man> I tried several times earlier and it did not work\n<krytarik> \"Don't work\"... :D\n<krytarik> Details, dude!\n<Wild_Man> I use the terminal for almost everything these days\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Them there Grimlins .. never can tell what they are up to .\n<krytarik> I got Lynx there.. :P\n<Wild_Man> indeed\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Should we stretch \"summary\" an in the gksu article also give the debian bug report link ?\n<Wild_Man> Yes I think so\n<Wild_Man> No, I just remembered that it says no links in the summary its self, you have to add it after the summary\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, ^^\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Let's see if it flies by a sweep :) // that is waht I meant to ass it after the header's link .\n<Bashing-om> ass/*add\n<Wild_Man> ok\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Like so - have a look - is what I suggest . And rest on it .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, maybe I am getting to tired, you want me to look at the gksu article right? I do not see the link to the bug report\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I did add a link under the General Section that I think can stay there\n<Wild_Man> I think it is time to call it a night\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I placed it right below the https://jeremy.bicha link .\n<Wild_Man> maybe I need to refresh the page\n<Wild_Man> it showed up after refreshing the page, that works for me\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, tomorrow we probably should adjust the summary to say the bug report link is included?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: So yes .. let's call it a night :)\n<Wild_Man> Indeed!\n<Wild_Man> see you tomorrow after I get done at the VA\n<Wild_Man> Thanks for all the great work!\n<Bashing-om> Nite nite - do not let the bed bugs bite :P\n<Wild_Man> Night\n<Bashing-om> Taking a break from mowing - catch up on where we are for publishing . I see we have added help :)\n<krytarik> Yes! :)\n<Bashing-om> At a stopping place, back to mowing . I return here soonest :)\n<krytarik> Now, wrt this channel's ACL: 1.) Who is Beuno..? And 2.) I'd like to have op rights too (I'm no Ubuntu member yet still), just in case.. :)\n<krytarik> (To be clear, particularly for the case where spammers quite literally hit every channel in the Ubuntu namespace, regardless of topic or size - which I've also seen hit this one before.)\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: WB :) .. I am in the midst of mowing .. in and out as I take an opportunity of respite from the mower .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, Okay did you see my message you in the gdoc?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: No ..I did not see any in gdoc .. lemme recheck .\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Uh Huh .. it workie // was of some wonder how to chat there :)\n<Bashing-om> Gonna go have that reel mower beat up in me a bit more .. back in jusst a few .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, see you!\n<Bashing-om> Back .. My attention however is presently in the forum - will check here periodically .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, okay\n#ubuntu-news 2018-04-21\n<guiverc> i went into uwn doc, didn't find any needing summaries - looks done :) (or I need stronger glasses)\n<oerheks> yay, FFMPEY \"Wu\" 4.0 http://ffmpeg.org/index.html#pr4.0\n<oerheks> FFMPEG*\n<krytarik> ...Wait, with the current highest role of editor for any of us on the Fridge's WP, we can't even change the widgets on the site!?\n<krytarik> (I merely wanted to see if we could add button linked to the general @ubuntu_news Twitter account alongside the RSS one to the Subscribe widget.)\n<pleia2> no, we just submit tickets when we want something changed, in reality it's pretty rare\n<krytarik> That really makes me want to cry now. :D\n<pleia2> now that you're the boss you're welcome to talk to them about opening access, but I chose my battles with Canonical IS and this one wasn't worth it to me ;)\n<krytarik> Yeah, I hear you.\n<Bashing-om> memory leaks fixes in 18.04 LTS: The probable fix is in . https://feaneron.com/2018/04/20/the-infamous-gnome-shell-memory-leak/ . Do we re-write the original summary or replace it ?\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, Bashing-om this is pretty important, it just came out today https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GNOME-Shell-Memory-Leak-Fix do we want to add it?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Awaiting response drom above \" memory leaks fixes in 18.04 LTS: The probable fix is in . https://feaneron.com/2018/04/20/the-infamous-gnome-shell-memory-leak/ . Do we re-write the original summary or replace it ?\" .\n<krytarik> You two figure it out! :P\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I would replace it\n<Wild_Man> The new link is a much more concise article and easier to read imo\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I am all for adding an editorial note to what we have, to see an additional summary .\n<Bashing-om> woNot doing the backgraound research .. but feaneron seems to be the project leader .\n<krytarik> Oh btw, I'd still like someone other than myself (conflict of interest) to work over the Studio reboot summary 1.) so the currently only sentence makes more sense, and 2.) hopefully get together an additional one. :)\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I do not find the link you posted, I thought the gnome leak was published in the 523?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: 524: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/help-test-memory-leaks-fixes-in-18-04-lts/5251 // my new source: https://feaneron.com/2018/04/20/the-infamous-gnome-shell-memory-leak/ .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I guess you can use the link that you want to use, it hurts my eyes trying to read the small print\n<Wild_Man> Okay, I found that one by Will Cooke but I was looking for one with the link you posted above.\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I will also look at your new link - the fix does need to be made public . Just. do we add an editorial note to what we have ?\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: My thought is not to take away from the effort that our community provided .\n<Wild_Man> I think that will be fine, we do not want to diminish the work that will has done\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: A bit out of the norm to editorialize, but is such a thing acceptable practice ?\n<Wild_Man> From what I have seen everything else is looking good, I am still dealing with a problem user on the forum that is causing trouble on FB also since last night so I am going to be busy with that for some time\n<krytarik> As to what source to use, I think if you first heard of it from phoronix, which I think is the case, it's fair to reference it and mention that it links to the original post.\n<Wild_Man> I am not sure how sure exactly what you plan to write I would just add the leak is not fixed and include the link and see what others have to say\n<Wild_Man> scratched not\n<Wild_Man> I need to put out fires\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: While here ... xfcw has released their updates . Are there constraints on how many aricles are presented .. and are there constraints on the length of the newsletter .\n<Bashing-om> xfce*\n<krytarik> What would that be btw..?\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: still looking at new material // so far xfce with 2 releases .\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, no constraints, just it depends on how much help we have\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Well, I can make the time to add these 3 to UWN .\n<krytarik> If you want to write about updates to individual parts of Xfce, I'd group them under one header at least though.\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, wrote a summary for Ubuntu Studio and put it as a suggested, I will leave it up to you if you want to use it\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: Hey. We do like xfce .. will make up a common heading and include in this edition :)\n<krytarik> Yes, we do!\n<krytarik> Bashing-om: On the Gnome memory leak post, please not so much quoting.\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: I have read the OMG article earlier, and I'm not particularly convinced yet the summary captures its content sufficiently. :)\n<krytarik> But it's closer already indeed.\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: That long quote - IMHO - carries all of the relevant info ... yes ?\n<krytarik> Well, we aren't to quote everything but to summarize.\n<Wild_Man> The only place we can quote is apparently for pod casts\n<krytarik> Well tbh, that's arguable too - but since it's always been done this way so far..\n<krytarik> At least I've changed the always same intro who is on the show the week to just a simple list already now.\n<tsimonq2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-April/004438.html\n<tsimonq2> /!\\ /!\\ Help test! /!\\ /!\\\n<guiverc> tsimonq2, is it worth putting it on fridge? (from memory testing qualifies)\n<Bashing-om> tsimonq2: Looking ^ .\n<tsimonq2> guiverc: Yes.\n<Bashing-om> Interesting: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/04/20/design-and-web-team-summary-20-april-2018 . Does it suit for inclusion ?\n<guiverc> i'll put on fridge (hyper-text-free though!)\n<guiverc> (i meant https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2018-April/004438.html on fridge)\n<Wild_Man> I think it does that is why I included it\n<guiverc> tsimonq2, adam con.. of ?? it only has his name - Ubuntu Release Team???\n<tsimonq2> guiverc: Adam Conrad is on the Ubuntu Release Team, yes.\n<guiverc> use that, or just Ubuntu team (start - Adam Conrad of ...)\n<tsimonq2> Nah, Ubuntu Release Team is better, imho. :)\n<guiverc> thanks. will use urt\n<tsimonq2> Cool. :)\n#ubuntu-news 2018-04-22\n<krytarik> guiverc: Can you not post in monospace font this time though? :P\n<guiverc> krytarik, i don't see ability to change font - i know ~0 about wp, headings, preformatted, paragraph, bold, italics, .. (in both text & visual mode)\n<krytarik> If you leave the editor for a bit, I can fix it.\n<tsimonq2> I'll Fix The Thing once it's posted.\n<tsimonq2> Or.\n<tsimonq2> That. :)\n<guiverc> am out of editor... using gedit now :)\n<krytarik> That's not what I meant... :P\n<krytarik> guiverc: Fixed!\n<krytarik> Thou shall continue.\n<guiverc> thanks - it saved it as draft - use it or start again?\n<krytarik> Btw, the trick is not to paste or in fact use at all the \"visual\" editor, but \"text\" instead.\n<guiverc> i didn't see a 'font' option (i assume you changed default krytarik) - as for visual, it was how i was shown from memory - i can explore later.. http://fridge.ubuntu.com/?p=8325&preview=true if you'd like to preview (links are good) - mentions uwn523 @ bottom which may be 'next post' i normally don't notice..\n<krytarik> I merely removed the '<pre>' tags that got added all over the post automatically.\n<krytarik> Yes, it's cool. I removed the 'more' tag too btw - I think we don't need it for this short one..?\n<guiverc> posted - thanks krytarik ( http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/04/22/first-set-of-bionic-sort-of-rc-images-for-18-04/ )\n<guiverc> thanks tsimonq2\n<guiverc> does the <pre> mean preformatted? (seem to recall those tags in askubuntu)\n<krytarik> Yes.\n<krytarik> Or something - but it does mean codey and monospacey.\n<guiverc> thanks - that'll be easier to remember (i hope) - i prefer monospace anyway (but don't explore for fear of..)\n<krytarik> Well, it looks rather crappy on the website though if it's used for everything. :P\n<guiverc> (okay except my own systems, fixing problems b/c I blew it up when others can't see is fun!)\n<guiverc> i only read the text; and only see it in liferea (or lynx) so i'd likely not notice\n<guiverc> note: i didn't click 'planet' for it (i'm now thinking maybe I should..) ah well\n<krytarik> Well, on the previous release it was on there anyway.\n<Wild_Man> why did we post that one article to the fridge instead of waiting to post the news letter? was that just as a favor?\n<krytarik> This is not only UWN, but also Fridge.\n<Bashing-om> krytarik: Wild_Man : Would a link on our final freeze summary suffice ?\n<Wild_Man> I thought we just post uwn to the Fridge\n<krytarik> Bashing-om: Well, both are different topics - but yeah, if you wanna write about the call for testing too, then sure have a separate one for it.\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, what do you mean, there is already a summary for final freeze?\n<krytarik> Because the timing fits really well now too.\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: yeah .. the summary however does not directly address the plea for final testing .\n<Wild_Man> Two separate topics, I did not realize you were talking about the plea for testing, yes we need a separate one as krytarik said\n<guiverc> this room is Ubuntu News Team - fridge, UWN & more ... I'd definetly say include it in UWN (mention the lists.ubuntu links, not fridge one!)\n<krytarik> guiverc: Planetize the post yet? :P\n<krytarik> Also, I've just seen you used a 'testing' one for the Final Beta - though that was last used in 2012 till then.\n<guiverc> nah - i said planet; I wish I'd clicked 'testing' - but still not sure about planet - you say yeah I assume - i'll add the testing\n<krytarik> You can also do this by 'quick edit' btw.\n<guiverc> testing added and I'm happy. do you think its worthy of planet?\n<krytarik> No, I'm not sure either..\n<guiverc> truthfully i think not - i like planet only because more eyes will see it...\n<krytarik> Maybe we want to re-pick up using the 'release' category too.\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Oh!.. Wanna tweet this? :P\n<krytarik> (The other two are for UWN only.)\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, this one http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/04/22/first-set-of-bionic-sort-of-rc-images-for-18-04/ ?\n<Wild_Man> I was thinking about that a few minutes ago\n<krytarik> Well, the ML link of course, but yeah.\n<Wild_Man> Tweet from the Ubuntu Forums account?\n<krytarik> Well,.. you could do that too, of course - but I primarily meant from the @ubuntu_news one.\n<Wild_Man> You confused me when you said \"the other two are for UWN only\" I am not sure what you are referring too. Yes I will do it.\n<krytarik> Facebook and Google+\n<krytarik> And cool, thanks!\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, Done, now I am going to retweet from forums account.\n<krytarik> Proper wording there, dude. :)\n<krytarik> Erm, now I see though, that's also tailored to the UWN..\n<krytarik> Doesn't matter though!\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, that is not proper wording?\n<krytarik> No, I do mean it like that. :)\n<Wild_Man> Okay!\n<Wild_Man> I tried my best\n<Wild_Man> it is hard with my wife watching tv in the same room, I am not good at shutting out noise\n<krytarik> Yeah, I know that can be..\n<krytarik> Somebody wanna make the Final Freeze summary a little less copy-pastey still? :P\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Oh btw, I did add the social media info to the UWN template earlier today.\n<Wild_Man> nice!\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Morning. I've just added two more links to the Xfce component updates summary.. :P These aren't exactly Xfce apps though, but I figure it's still best to bundle those - Bashing-om (who wrote the summary initially) or you, please make it fit somehow without dropping all the details already in there. :)\n<krytarik> Still wish one could subscribe to the Planet without getting all the full posts btw.\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, bashing-om wrote it\n<krytarik> Yes, like I just said..\n<krytarik> Either way, I just barely got up too and am about to head out, and couldn't come up with an immediate solution to it either - so I figured I should let you both know at least that I added those.. :)\n<Wild_Man> Okay, I am still waking up\n<krytarik> Saaame..\n<krytarik> And just stumbled about this while checking the IRC logs of today.\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: I've just updated the scripts slightly btw, including the summary one as to the newly added section mentioned earlier: https://git.launchpad.net/uwn/commit/?id=23fc11b8de6bb7d437dbacf9a9bc2f9613e77873\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, thanks I will pull the script again\n<Wild_Man> krytarik, is the new letter ready for the wiki?\n<krytarik> Lemme quickly check again..\n<Wild_Man> Looks close if not ready\n<krytarik> Yeah, it's cool - go ahead!\n<Wild_Man> Okay.\n#ubuntu-news 2019-04-15\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue574 up for acceptance.\n<guiverc> Bashing-om, release schedule for dingo is thursday (18th) so 'next week' in general community news should say \"last this week\"\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: Good catch ! .. will correct when I remove \"WIP\" .// Do you expect to be around tomorrow eve to do the socials ?\n<guiverc> that'll be a bit late... it's monday arvo already; we usually publish early tuesday my local time :) yeah is your answer\n<guiverc> (i haven't finished my read thru - i'll do it as I can..)\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: :) .. I keep forgetting the Aussie in you :P\n<guiverc> :)\n<guiverc> Bashing-om, Ubuntu Ratings/Reviews s/are are/are/ (ie. remove the double-word)\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: Noted too :)\n<guiverc> in Disco Disco (19.04) Release Candidate testing there's another \"released next week\" however should this be dropped completely; duplicate of disco final freeze first notice (just different wording)\n<guiverc> ^ those two are in hub\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: Noted .\n<guiverc> https://plus.google.com/+UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter needs to be removed (and from skeleton too!)\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: K - will do that also :)\n<guiverc> my read thru is complete anyway; you want to remove g+ from skeleton.\n<guiverc> skeleton/template https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/IssueTemplate\n<guiverc> change made Bashing-om (g+ shouldn't re-appear in subsequent issues)\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: My my you are feelinng industrious :P\n<guiverc> Bashing-om, minor ones edited (/next/this/ & /are are/are/ & /g+// but didn't touch hub.disco.rc,testing /next/this/OR duplicate/drop?\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: Lemme look and see what you see :P\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: As the hub summary has amplified testing info - I would like to keep it. tsimonq2 Also has an announcemnet but adds nothing that is not already covered.\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: Yeah agreed ,, the \"next week \" should be amended to \"this week\". - but next week is the authors words.\n<guiverc> yep - I wondered about keeping too, also if next/this really applies (b/c of Apr.. 18th specific mention)\n<guiverc> I'm happy with the wording as is b/c of date mention\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: Well, we could make it explicit that \"next\" is from the author as by [next] ??\n<guiverc> i'm not really a fan of \"Apr... 18th\" -- but it's a direct quote so I ignored it... why I left that alone & didn't touch it with my barge pole :)\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Security:: Episode 28 @ https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-28/\n<Bashing-om> Pulling \"WIP\" and editing \"next\" too.\n<Bashing-om> M/L is away .. doing the forum post next.\n<Bashing-om> Forum posting is done - re-directs next.\n<Bashing-om> re-directs also done. Pending is posting to the social medias :)\n<guiverc> Want me to push #574 fridge? (I need a 2nd)\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: Yeah .. All looks good - :)\n<guiverc> :) thanks Bashing-om i'll take your response as my 2nd once I finish clearing spam on fridge\n<guiverc> we've got offers for someone to help write (author stuff) - from a diy solar panel... interested?\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: Works for me to be that 2nd -for what that is worth.\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: Always interested on a means to lighten/enlarge our load :)\n<guiverc> krytarik & tsimonq2 felt I didn't need to worry about 2nd due to regularly schedule for uwn - but fridge rules say it so I like it...\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: I like sticking to a known good procedure :)\n<guiverc> :)\n<guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/04/15/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-574/\n<guiverc> I'll do social media posts later.. time for bird feed...\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: Fridge looks good :)\n<Bashing-om> Bot confirmtion that the Fridge is posted :)\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 574 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/04/15/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-574/\n<guiverc> mewe & tweet done.\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: :) clear now to wipe Gdoc574 ? We start all over again ?\n<guiverc> i was looking for my high-tech exercise book (passwd) to log into fb - not done yet..\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: Excuse me for rushing :(\n<guiverc> (now to look for my phone..) but yeah you can wipe .. i won't use it & it's out-of-date anyway\n<guiverc> (we have the wiki)\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: K - on your say-so I do :)\n<guiverc> fb now done too :|\n<Bashing-om> Anddd .. we do UWN575 :)\n<Wild_Man> All done?\n<guiverc> yep :) and thanks Wild_Man\n<Wild_Man> Thanks guys another, job well done!\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: We do UWN575 now :P\n<Wild_Man> WOOT!\n<guiverc> fyi: i'll be unable to put 19.04 to fridge till very late friday (my local)... my passion play committment is higher priority (spel?) for me so I won't be available when I expect 19.04 to finally be released... I can be a pre-2nd if acceptable before-hand (???)\n<Wild_Man> We announce when 19.04 comes out?\n<Wild_Man> It is our responsibility\n<guiverc> Wild_Man, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/10/18/ubuntu-18-10-cosmic-cuttlefish-released/ - but it's a ubuntu-news team responsibility; not just uwn\n<Wild_Man> guiverc, I see, I will be busy that day until late, it will be the 19th UTC time by the time I am here\n<guiverc> (Wild_Man they're a bit more work than uwn; source is ML post which is all text; so all formatting is added...) - it'll get done when we're available/when we can..\n<Wild_Man> guiverc, is it a copy and paste? or we have to right up the summary?\n<guiverc> we copy/paste ... only the bottom paragraph is added but no writing, just insert name/team/date etc in correct places (from a prior one.. 50% of time taken is looking for ML post itself!)\n<guiverc> (okay ~10-20% of time is looking for post..)\n<Wild_Man> guiverc, okay if I get back before you and get to it I will give it a go\n#ubuntu-news 2019-04-16\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Stephen Kelly: Debugging Clang AST Matchers @ https://steveire.wordpress.com/2019/04/16/debugging-clang-ast-matchers/\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Raphaël Hertzog: FreexianâÂÂs report about Debian Long Term Support, March 2019 @ https://raphaelhertzog.com/2019/04/16/freexians-report-about-debian-long-term-support-march-2019/\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 574 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/04/15/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-574/ (by guiverc)\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Jamie Strandboge: Cloud images, qemu, cloud-init and snapd spread tests @ https://blog.strandboge.com/2019/04/16/cloud-images-qemu-cloud-init-and-snapd-spread-tests/\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Entroware Updates Its Linux Laptops with 8th Gen Intel CPUs, Nvidia RTX Graphics @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/entroware-updates-its-linux-pcs-with-8th-gen-intel-cpus-nvidia-rtx-graphics-525689.shtml (by Marius Nestor)\n#ubuntu-news 2019-04-17\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Erich Eickmeyer: One Year Leading Ubuntu Studio @ https://ericheickmeyer.com/2019/04/16/one-year-leading-ubuntu-studio/\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: VirtualBox 6.0.6 Released with Support for Linux 5.0 and Linux 5.1 Kernels @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/virtualbox-6-0-6-released-with-support-for-linux-5-0-and-linux-5-1-kernels-525697.shtml (by Marius Nestor)\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: James Page: OpenStack Stein for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS @ https://javacruft.wordpress.com/2019/04/17/openstack-stein-for-ubuntu-18-04-lts/\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: How to Upgrade to Ubuntu 19.04 from 18.04, Right Now @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=140447 (by Joey Sneddon)\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu 19.04: Whatâs New? [Video] @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=139782 (by Joey Sneddon)\n#ubuntu-news 2019-04-18\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Sean Davis: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update @ https://bluesabre.org/2019/04/18/xubuntu-19-04-the-exhaustive-update/\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Ubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) Is Now Available to Download @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-19-04-disco-dingo-is-now-available-to-download-525711.shtml (by Marius Nestor)\n<mohammads> Hello everyone\n<mohammads> When disco will unleash?\n<guiverc> mohammads, add yourself to the release mailing list & you'll get a text message when it occurs.. it's how I'm notified\n<mohammads> Ok\n<guiverc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release\n<mohammads> Yes, i just joined. thank you guiverc ð\n<guiverc> :)\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu MATE: Ubuntu MATE 19.04 Final Release @ https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-disco-final-release/\n<Unit193> eoan!\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Ubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) Officially Released, Here's What's New @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-19-04-disco-dingo-officially-released-with-linux-5-0-and-gnome-3-32-525714.shtml (by Marius Nestor)\n<guiverc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2019-April/004753.html\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo: S12E02 â Light Force @ http://ubuntupodcast.org/2019/04/18/s12e02-light-force/\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: LibreOffice 6.2.3 Office Suite Released with More Than 90 Bug Fixes @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/libreoffice-6-2-3-office-suite-released-with-more-than-90-bug-fixes-525718.shtml (by Marius Nestor)\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: KDE Applications 19.04 Open-Source Software Suite Has Been Officially Released @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/kde-applications-19-04-open-source-software-suite-has-been-officially-released-525719.shtml (by Marius Nestor)\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: 10 Things To Do After You Install Ubuntu 19.04 @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=140034 (by Joey Sneddon)\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu 19.04 Flavours: Whatâs New? @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=139247 (by Joey Sneddon)\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Studio: Ubuntu Studio 19.04 Released! @ http://ubuntustudio.org/2019/04/ubuntu-studio-19-04-released/\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Lubuntu Blog: Lubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) Released! @ https://lubuntu.me/disco-released/\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Ubuntu Budgie 19.04 Released with Budgie 10.5 Desktop and Brand-New Theme @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-budgie-19-04-released-with-budgie-10-5-desktop-and-brand-new-theme-525720.shtml (by Marius Nestor)\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Kubuntu General News: Kubuntu 19.04 is released today @ https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-19-04-is-released-today/\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: How to Upgrade Ubuntu 18.10 to Ubuntu 19.04 @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-18-10-to-ubuntu-19-04-525721.shtml (by Marius Nestor)\n#ubuntu-news 2019-04-19\n<guiverc> Okay for https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2019-April/004753.html to fridge? 2nd please, or I can be 2nd to someone else..\n<krytarik> guiverc: Of course! And I'd be the second here as per usual.. >_> Also I notice Wild_Man is still around too, so you two might work on it together for a learning experience.\n<guiverc> thanks krytarik, yep. that was reason for my wording '2nd to..' (but is it too late at night there? ..)\n<krytarik> Wild_Man: Say something! :P\n<guiverc> I'll give Wild_Man a chance (I won't do anything for next ~hour..)\n<guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/04/19/ubuntu-19-04-disco-dingo-released/\n<krytarik> guiverc: Nice work there, thanks! Only one thing that I've noticed, some of the links.. aren't ones. :P\n<guiverc> Wild_Man, fyi: i copied ML post to `mousepad` (xfce text editor), copy prior 18.10 end signoff to it (copy/paste new timestamp over it, name usually to), then add <h3></h3> tags above/below headings, remove ------ underlining & general cleanup. preview & post (then edit to add ML url to end-line; usually stuff something up..) http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wHSyZRTyRf/ is my mousepad massaged file.\n<krytarik> Oh, and the very first one got a funky font.\n<krytarik> Also, I think it might be time they flip most if not all of them over to HTTPS yet. >_<\n<guiverc> missed links fixed..\n<guiverc> first font one also (it was recognized as different block type... isn't anymore)\n<krytarik> Great, thanks!\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) released @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/04/19/ubuntu-19-04-disco-dingo-released/\n<guiverc> Wild_Man, getting rid of /n (linebreaks) on long lines is pretty key too (i should have mentioned)\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) released @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/04/19/ubuntu-19-04-disco-dingo-released/ (by guiverc)\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Xubuntu: Xubuntu 19.04 released! @ https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-19-04-released/\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Jonathan Riddell: Kipi Plugins 5.9.1 Released @ https://jriddell.org/2019/04/19/kipi-plugins-5-9-1-released/\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu 19.10 Codename @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=141083 (by Joey Sneddon)\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Kdenlive Video Editor 19.04 Arrives with Major Changes in Tow @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=141118 (by Joey Sneddon)\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Riccardo Padovani: Responsible disclosure: improper access control in Gitlab private project. @ https://rpadovani.com/gitlab-responsible-disclosure\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Daniel Pocock: SFK 2019 and next Prishtina Toastmasters meeting @ https://danielpocock.com/sfk-2019-prishtina-toastmasters/\n#ubuntu-news 2019-04-20\n<Wild_Man> Thanks for the instructions guiverc, sorry I did not make it to help last night, I am very busy and when I did get home I was taking care of my wife\n<guiverc> Not an issue Wild_Man, it was done when we could. Yes family comes first\n<Wild_Man> I was wanting to get the practice of doing it just did not work out\n<guiverc> well if you noticed ^ I still need practice and I've been doing it how long?? (releases, EOL's etc don't occur very frequently..)\n<Wild_Man> no they do not\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Jonathan Carter: Debian project leader elections 2019 @ https://jonathancarter.org/2019/04/20/debian-project-leader-elections-2019/\n#ubuntu-news 2019-04-21\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Thanks to guiverc summaries are done, and I have made some polishing efforts, Can you do a walk through and confirm this as a final product ?\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I will take a look after I am done eating\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: :) .. soon anough :D\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I am having trouble with gdoc my laptop does not want to let me scroll the page my fan is turning hard and the page is frozen so I am going to close it and try again\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Yukkie on hardware issues - No hurry about verifying Gdoc.\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, the last few days I have been having issues with the laptop\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Time for a good cleaning ? .. I have a power supply fan that does not want to autostart :( ,, I got to flick it after the PS warms up a bit.\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I do not think so, my laptop has been locking up and I have to restart it then the bios does a recovery during the boot up process\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: memory test good ?\n<Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I have not ran a memory test yet, I did update the bios a little while ago as recommended by oldfred but I do not think it took\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Bios splash screen show the updated vrsion ?\n<Wild_Man> I made one comment on gdoc I you see what you think I am not sure about it, I haven not slept or slowed down much in the last four weeks and it makes my foggy\n<Wild_Man> yes but hp site still shows it needs to be upgraded\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Were me - I would bump bios to the latest available.\n<Wild_Man> I do not want to go into it here but sudo dmidecode | less shows the old version\n<Wild_Man> I did and the one hp shows is the one I updated to tonight\n<Wild_Man> I am to tired to worry about it tonight\n<Bashing-om> Wild_Man: I can relate - I want to re-install 19.04 but just either can not find the time or just to tired to do it .\n<Wild_Man> :)\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Studio: Ubuntu Studio 18.04 Extended Support @ http://ubuntustudio.org/2019/04/ubuntu-studio-18-04-extended-support/\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Podcast Ubuntu Portugal: Ep. 54 â Disco com o Dingo @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/2019/04/21/ep-54-disco-com-o-dingo/\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Portugal:: Ep. 54 â Disco com o Dingo @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/2019/04/21/ep-54-disco-com-o-dingo/\n-SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: SuperTuxKart 1.0 Released with Online Play, New Tracks, Improved Karts @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=141135 (by Joey Sneddon)\n<Bashing-om> Beginning to set up WIKI575.\n#ubuntu-news 2020-04-13\n-BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: How to Use the Best Linux Office Suite on Android and iOS @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/how-to-use-the-best-linux-office-suite-on-android-and-ios-529710.shtml (by Bogdan Popa, Microsoft News Editor)\n<Bashing-om> UWM: Pulling \"WIP\" channel log checked, no other changes known. Time to push 20:00 GMT.\n<Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists notification is away - doing the form post next.\n<Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post completed - abridged the update sections, no other isues seen. Doing the re-directs next.\n<Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs done - pending is the social medias posts.\n<guiverc> Bashing-om, push UWN 626 to fridge?\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup - Think Wild_Man still with connection issues.\n<guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/04/13/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-626/\n<guiverc> tweeted\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: Fridge: Spot check checks good - clear now to wipe Gdoc ?\n<guiverc> Yep, wipe away (having got back from getting my coffee)\n<Bashing-om> guiverc: Wild_Man ^ doing.\n<guiverc> uwn 626 on fb too\n<Bashing-om> Gdoc: we do 627 :D\n-BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 626 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/04/13/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-626/\n#ubuntu-news 2020-04-14\n-BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 626 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/04/13/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-626/ (by guiverc)\n-BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: IBM Z delivers a Trusted Execution Environment with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS and new single fra... @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/ibm-z-delivers-a-trusted-execution-environment-with-ubuntu-20-04-lts-and-new-single-frame-models\n-BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Elizabeth K. 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Here Are the Apps Pre-Installed on the Next Librem 5 @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/getting-a-linux-phone-here-are-the-app-pre-installed-on-the-next-librem-5-529743.shtml (by Bogdan Popa, Microsoft News Editor)\n-BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Raphaël Hertzog: Freexianâs report about Debian Long Term Support, March 2020 @ https://raphaelhertzog.com/2020/04/16/freexians-report-about-debian-long-term-support-march-2020/\n-BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: You are invited to the virtual Ubuntu Masters event @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/you-are-invited-to-the-virtual-ubuntu-masters-event\n-BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Introducing the Ubuntu AWS Rolling Kernel @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/introducing-the-ubuntu-aws-rolling-kernel-2\n#ubuntu-news 2020-04-17\n-BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: LibreOffice 6.4.3 Released for Linux, Windows, and Mac @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/libreoffice-6-4-3-released-for-linux-windows-and-mac-529758.shtml (by Bogdan Popa, Microsoft News Editor)\n-BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: What is an Ubuntu LTS release? @ https://ubuntu.com/blog/what-is-an-ubuntu-lts-release\n-BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: How Would Window Tiling Work on GNOME Tablet? 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¸ë컬 ì²´í¬ í´ë ìë©ëë¤;; ê·¸ë¥ ì´ì§ì¼ë¡ í´ë ê°ë¥? sudo apt-get update , sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin\n<bundo> Jinseok ì ì¥ì ë°ê¾¸ì´ ë´ì\n<bundo> 주ìë²ë¡\n<bundo> ëµì¢ ì ì½ì´ ë´ì\n<Jinseok> bundo ëì¤ì ì¸ê°ì§ìì í ê»ì\n<Jinseok> ì§ììë ì¢ ë¬´ë¦¬;;\n<bundo> ì ê·¸ë¦¬ê³ Jinseok ê¸ìê° ê¹¨ì§ëë°ì ì§ê¸ 머ìì ?\n<Jinseok> ì ê¸ì¨ ê¹¨ì ¸ì?\n<bundo> ë¤\n<bundo> ì¬ë¡ê¸´ í´ë³´ì¸ì\n<Seony> ì ì깨ì§ëë°...\n<bundo> IRC ê¸ì ìë§ ëê°\n<bundo> Jinseok ì¬ë¡ê¸´ í´ë³´ì¸ì\n<Seony> ë°ì´ë¬ì¤ 걸리ì
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\n<Jinseok> ì ë avastê° íì 창문ì 깨ë¨ë¦¬ê³ ììµëë¤\n<Jinseok> ì깨ì§ëì?\n<Jinseok> íì ì í¬ì§ ì»´í¨í°ë\n<bundo> ëµë³ ìì± http://ubuntu.or.kr/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17757&p=87432#p87432\n<Jinseok> avast ê° ì°½ë¬¸ì íì 깨ë¨ë¦½ëë¤\n<Jinseok> ì§ê¸ë ê¸ì¨ 깨ì§ëì\n<bundo> 머ë¼ê³ ?\n<laggard> ì ì ë³´ì¬ì\n<Jinseok> now crash the font?\n<bundo> �ë�ï§ï¿½ �ììºï¿½ï¿½ ï§ï¿½ë£ �ëëª\n<bundo> Jinseok relogin PLZ~~\n<bundo> åªìì¤ï¿½ëº£ë« è¹ëì�ì³ê½£\n<Alsen> ìììì\n<Alsen> ë·ë·ë·\n<Jinseok> bundo I'm can see you typing hangul\n<bundo> Oh!\n<cartes_> ã
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ì¼ë¡ ì½ë ë´ì\n<bundo> http://ubuntu.or.kr/viewtopic.php?p=87432#p87432 맨 ìë ì²ë¦¬ë² ^^;\n<Jinseok2> ì·í\n<Jinseok2> ì깨ì§ëì/\n<Jinseok2> bundo ì깨ì§ëì!\n<imsu> kkokk: 묻ììì ã
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\n<Jinseok2> Alsen not crash hangul?\n<Alsen> ë¤?\n<Jinseok2> imsu íê¸ ì깨ì§ëì?\n<Alsen> ì ë³´ì¬ì\n<imsu> keke\n<Jinseok2> ë¤íì´êµ°ì\n<Jinseok2> ì°íë°©ë²ì¼ë¡ ì ìíìµëë¤.\n<Jinseok2> xchat í´ë¼ì´ì¸í¸ ì´ì©í´ì irc.ubuntu.com ì´ ìë irc.freenode.net ì¼ë¡ ì ì íìµëë¤ ã
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\n<Jinseok2> í´ë¼ë¡ ì ìíìë ë¶ë¤ì ì ë¶ irc.freenode.net ì¼ë¡ ì ì íì¸ì\n<Jinseok2> ë°©ì ëê°ì´ íìë©´ ë¨\n<Alsen> ê°ìì¤ë½ê² ìê°ëë²ë¦° Ez-X5\n<Alsen> ì ê±¸ë¡ ì¤ë§ë±ê¹ë¦¬ ë¤ íëë° ã
\n<Jinseok2> ì´ ë°©ì´ 2010 12ì 24ì¼ ììì¼ë ë§ë¤ì´ ì¡ë¤ê³ íëêµ°ì\n<Jinseok2> ë§ëì?\n<Jinseok2> Seony ì´ë°©ì´ 2010 12 24 ììì¼ë ë§ë¤ì´ ì§ê²ì´ ë§ëì?\n<Jinseok2> GIBSON, WILLIAM (1948-) He is married with two children. In\n<Jinseok2> * - the early 1980s he wrote Neuromancer, and with this novel he\n<Jinseok2> * - helped establish a new kind of science fiction literature\n<Jinseok2> * - called cyberpunk. William Gibson defined the word cyberspace,\n<Jinseok2> * - and described virtual reality long before we saw the\n<Jinseok2> * - similarities with todays Internet. He has won the Hugo Award,\n<Jinseok2> * - Nebula Award and the Philipp K. Dick Award.\n<Jinseok2> ì´ ì¬ëì´ ë§ë¤ìë¤ë¤ì\n<Jinseok2> Jinseok2\n<imsu> ??\n<Alsen> Richard M. Stallman ë° David MacKenzieì´(ê°) ë§ë¤ììµëë¤.\n<Jinseok2> ì´ë°©ì 2010ë
12ì 24ì¼ ë ë§ë¤ì´ ì¡ë¤ë¤ì\n<Alsen> ëê° ë§ë¤ìëê³ ì? Richard M. Stallman ë° David MacKenzieì´(ê°) ë§ë¤ììµëë¤.\n<Jinseok2> ì´ë°©ì´ 2010ë
12ìì ë§ë¤ì´ ì¡ë¤ê³ ì!!!\n<Alsen> Richard M. Stallman ë° David MacKenzieì´(ê°) ë§ë¤ììµëë¤!!!!\n<imsu> ì;; ìíì ë무 ì´ë ¤ì ã
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;\n<bluedusk> ì í¹ì usb 3.0 ì§ìëë ì¸ë§í ì¸ì¥íë ì¼ì´ì¤ ì¶ì²ì¢ í´ì£¼ì¤ë¶?\n<Jinseok2> ê·¸ë¥ SATAê° ì§ë¦¬ì\n<Alsen> bluedusk, 2.5ì¬ì´ì¦ì?\n<bluedusk> ë¤\n<bluedusk> Alsen, ssd ë£ì´ì ì°ë©´ 충격ì ì ê²½ìì¨ë ëê² ì£ ?\n<Alsen> ê·¸ëë ì ê²½ì°ì¸ì\n<Alsen> ê·¸ëë´¤ì ICë°ì ì´ê±°ë ì\n<Alsen> íë¨ì´ì§ë©´ ëì´ì£ ë ã
\n<Alsen> í= ë¤ë¦¬\n<Alsen> ë구ë ì¸ì¥ì¼ë¡ë SSDë§ì´ë¤ ë¹ì¶íëë°ì.\n<bluedusk> ë
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¸í¸ë¶ ì¬ë©´ ëë¶ íëë ë°ê¾¸ë ¤êµ¬ì\n<Alsen> ê·¸ë ì£ \n<Alsen> ëë¶ì SSDë¬ê³ ìë ëë¶ì ìë íë를 ì¸ì¥ì¼ë¡ ì¬ì©íìëê² ì¢ìì\n<Alsen> ì§ê¸ ì¢ ëë¬ë´¤ëë°ì\n<Alsen> ì¸ì¥ì¼ì´ì¤ê° ê·¸ë¥ ìë¤ì\n<Alsen> http://blog.danawa.com/prod/?section_m=PC&prod_c=1221216&cate_c1=862&cate_c2=10620&cate_c3=10673&cate_c4=0\n<Alsen> ì´ê±° ì´ë ì¸ì?\n<bluedusk> ì ì´ê±° ì¸ì¥ì ìë문ì..ã
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\n<yemharc> GUIí´ì ë§ë¤ ëìë íì´ì¬ì´ ì ì¼ í¸íê³ \n<yemharc> ê·¸ ë¤ìì´ ìë° ì ëë¡ ë´ì\n<fudoyusei> Oh no!\n<imsu> ìë íë¤ê² í ê³µë¶íëë;; íì´ì¬ì¼ë¡ ë¤ì ê°ì¼íë ã
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\n<wasikevin> jasonjang, how many CDs did you receive?\n<yemharc> imsu, ë±ì ë ì¬ìì ã
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íëì¬ íí\n<drake_kr> ì ë±ì´êµ°\n<yemharc> ìì¤ ëì¢ ì´ë ¤ì¤ì .........\n<drake_kr> yemharc :: ëì¼ìì´ì?\n<yemharc> ì¼ë°ìë² êµ¬ì¶íëì í´ë¨ëë§ ê´ë¦¬íë ì¬ëì´ ì»´ì 몰ë¼ì ì¤í¬ë¦½í¸ ë§ë¤ê³ ìì´ì\n<jasonjang> probably, 450 each ? .........always same Q'ty\n<imsu> yemharc: ??\n<jasonjang> probably, 450 each ? .........always same Q'ty wasikevin\n<drake_kr> ì°ì~ ì¼ê·¼ì´ë¤~\n<fudoyusei> jasonjang toktok\n<yemharc> ì´ì°ëê² ìë² êµ¬ì¶ ìê°ë³´ë¤ ì¤í¬ë¦½í¸ ë§ëë ìê°ì´ ë ê±¸ë ¤ ã
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\n<wasikevin> jasonjang, no server?\n<fudoyusei> jasonjang : toktok\n<jasonjang> Ah~ ì¬ê¸°ììêµ°....... fudoyusei\n<fudoyusei> ^^\n<drake_kr> ê·¸ë¥ ì§ìë¤ ëª¨ìëê³ êµì¡..\n<yemharc> ì ì ê³ì ì¶ê° ìì 그룹ë³ê²½ í¼ë¯¸ì
...............ì´ë¯¸ ì ì¤í¬ë¦½í¸ì ììì ëì´ê° ë¯í ëëë ë¤ì§ë§\n<imsu> yemharc: ì ì ë¤í¸ìí¬ ëë¼ì´ë¸ ì ìì 몰ë¼ì ë°°ì¬ ì¤í¬ë¦½í¸ ë§ë¤ì´ì¤ ã
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.........was kevin ì´ë¼ë ì¹êµ¬, ëë§ì 근무ì¤ì¸ ì¼ë
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\n<yemharc> ê·¼ë° ê·¸ë¥ íë³ë¡ í´ë ëì ¸ì£¼ê³ ìììë¤ ê´ë¦¬í´ë¼......ë¼ë ìê°ì¼ë¡ íëê±° ê°ê¸´ íë°\n<drake_kr> ìì¤ ê·¸ê±¸ ê°ì¥ ì í´ëìê² svnì¸ë°\n<yemharc> imsu, http://wikidocs.net/read/book/2\n<drake_kr> svnì ì ì°ëë³´ì£ ?\n<drake_kr> ì°ë¦¬ ëìì´ëíììë svn ì°ëë°..\n<yemharc> drake_kr, ì¬ëë¤ êµì¡í기 ê·ì°®ë¤ê³ ì¼ë° (......)\n<suapapa> ì ë° gitì ì°ì¸ì\n<drake_kr> ìë ì°ë¦¬ ëìì´ëíììë svn ì¨ì ã
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문ìë ëê° ì¢ìì§ ê¸°ìµì´ ìë¨ì\n<imsu> ì¼ì;;\n<drake_kr> cvsë ìì§í ì¢ ìëê³ \n<suapapa> dive into pythonì´ ìµì¤ ìë ê² ê°ìì. ë²ìë²ë ìê³ \n<yemharc> imsu, head first programming ì´ë ì±
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ì´ ë³¸ì¸ë¤ì ìëë¼ê³ ì°ê¸°ì§ë§ ì무리 ë¯ì´ë´ë head first pyton........\n<yemharc> ã
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¡\n<bluedusk> ì´ê±´ ë ê°ê²© ì¢ë ë³´íì 모ëí° ì§ë¥¼í.;\n<HolyKnight> http://html5lab.kr/blog/2015/06/02/%EC%B5%9C%EA%B7%BC-%EB%AA%87%EB%85%84%EA%B0%84-%EB%82%98%EC%98%A8-%ED%94%84%EB%A1%A0%ED%8A%B8%EC%97%94%EB%93%9C-%ED%94%84%EB%A0%88%EC%9E%84%EC%9B%8D-%EC%A0%95%EB%A6%AC/\n<bluedusk> í ë´ë ëª¨ë¥´ê² ë¤ì \n<jun__> ì ë 모르ë ë´ì©ë§.......\n<samahui_ws> ì ì¬ìì¬ ë§ìê²ë¤íì¸ì~\n<razGon_MINILA> ë§ì íì¸ì\n<HolyKnight> ë²ì¨ 1300ëª
격리ì¤ì´ëì \n<HolyKnight> http://m.mk.co.kr/news/headline/2015/532305\n<ircCloud^Seony> 1% ë¤ì ã
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\n<ircCloud^Seony> ì¸ì 99%ë§ ë ê°ì¼ëë©´ ë¹ì...\n<HolyKnight> ã
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\n<HolyKnight> @lemonaid1206: ê²½ì ê°ë°5ê°ë
ê³íì´ íì°¸ì´ëë¬´ë µ. 모ì¤ëë°ì í ê³µì¥ íê³ì§ì´ ê³µìì´ ëì´ ì ì¸ìì 모ì§íë¤. \"4+4ë ì¼ë§ì¸ê°?\"ë¼ë ë´ë¹ìì ì§ë¬¸ì ëë¶ë¶ 8ì´ë¼ê³ ëëµíëë° ê·¸ ì¤ í ì§ììê° ì¡°ì¬ì¤ë 물ìë¤\n<HolyKnight> \"ì¼ë§ë¡ í´ ë릴ê¹ì?\"\n<HolyKnight> ê·¸ë ì¦ì ì±ì©ëìë¤\n<ircCloud^Seony> ã
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íì¸ì?\n<ipeter_> í¹ì find / -name ls 2> /dev/null\n<ipeter_> ì´ë ê² ì³¤ìë\n<ipeter_> 2> ë¶í° ëê¹ì§ì ìí ì ìë ¤ì£¼ì¤ ì ìëì?\n<ipeter_> ì íì¸íììµëë¤.\n<ipeter_> ì£ì¡í©ëë¤.\n<bluedusk> ì ê±° íì¤ ì¶ë ¥ì ì ì¸í ìë¬ ë©ìì§ë¥¼ ì ë¶ /dev/null ë¡ redirect ìí¤ê² ë¤ëê±° ìëê°ì?\n<bluedusk> jason_kr_, ì ì¬ìëì
¨ëì?\n<ipeter_> ë¤ ë§ìµëë¤.\n<bluedusk> ìì ëëì´ ì ë 컴맹íì¶íëê±´ê°ì??!?!?1\n<bluedusk> ã
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ì·(ìë¸ë³¼ë¥¨) ê´ë ¨ ì´ìê° ì¼ ë¨ìë¡ ê¾¸ì¤í ì¬ë¼ì¤ë...\n<PotatoGim> RAID5/6ë ìì§ê¹ì§ ì´ìê° ì¢ ìë í¸ì´ì´ì...\n<jason_kr_> ì ë¸ëì¤í¬ë, ë´ ì°ê²°ì´ ëê²¼ìêµ°ì.\n<bluedusk> jason_kr_, í¬ê´ì°ë´ì ë ì ë§ ê·¸ì§ê°êµ°ì\n<jun_> ì구.... ì í¬ ì´ë¨¸ëì´ ì²ìì ê³ì ë°... ì²ì, ìì° ë©ë¥´ì¤ íì§ íìê° ìë¤ë¤ì;;;; ê±±ì ëì ì¼ì´ ììëë¤ì;;\n<bluedusk> jun_, ì ê±±ì ëìê² ë¤ì..\n<bluedusk> ë©´ìë ¥ì ëì¬ëëê±° ë§ê³ ë 머 ëì±
ì´ ìë¤ëì문ë ìëë°\n<jun_> íì¼ì´ë.. ì°ë£¨ì¬ ì´ë°ê±° íë°ì¤ ì¬ê°ì¼í 꺼 ê°ìì..ã
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\n<samahui_ws> ì ì§ê°ê¹ì´ ì¬ìëë³ìë ì ê²½ì°ì´ê³ ê³ í¥ì¸ ëì ë ê°ì¼ì ëìë¤ë ê±±ì ì´ê³ ... ìë¬´í¼ ì기 ë°ë¦¬ê³ ì´ë ëê° ìê° ìì´ì ìë´ì ìê¸°ê° ëµëµí´ íê³ ììê±°ë¼ ìê°íë ì´ê² ë ê±¸ë¦¬ê³ ê·¸ë¬ë¤ì\n<samahui_ws> ìë¬´í¼ ì ë³ìì´ë ê°ì¼ì§ìì ìë°íëì§ ì´í´ê° ìëë¤ì.\n<samahui_ws> ê·¸ë¬ë©´ì íì¤í 격리ë 못í´ì ìíêµ°ì´ ë²ì¤íê³ ê´ê´ ë° ê³¨íí¬ì´ ë¤ëê³ ìí´...\n<samahui_ws> ëµìë ëë¼ì§ë§ ìì¦ì ê·¸ ëê° ì§ëì¹ë¤ì\n<ipeter_> ì§ê¸ êµë¯¼ì ì²´ê° ì¸ìí¸ë¥¼ íë¤ë í¸ì\n<ipeter_> ê·¸ë¦¬ê³ ëë¼ì ì¬ìì´ ìê³ , ìë³ì´ ëë©´ ëë¼ê° ë§íë ìë ì´ì¼ê¸°..\n<ipeter_> ì ë¶ ìë¿ìµëë¤.\n<bluedusk> ê·¼ë° ì ë ìê·¸ì ë¶í° ëª©ì´ ì¹¼ì¹¼íë°\n<bluedusk> ê±±ì ì´ë¤ì..ã
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¡\n<bluedusk> 목ì ë¬´ì¨ ê°ë£¨ ë§ì ê²ì²ë¼ 칼칼 íë¤ê³ í´ì¼ íë.;\n<jun_> í¹ì... í¡ì°ì íìê±°ë...\n<bluedusk> ì ë´ë°° ì¬ì ë¤ ìí©ëë¤\n<bluedusk> 커í¼ë ìë§ì구ì\n<bluedusk> ì¡ìë§ ìíë©´\n<bluedusk> ì ìì ì´ìë ë ê±° ê°ê¸´ íë°\n<jun_> ì....\n<jun_> ì ë ë´ë°°ë¥¼ í기ì ê°ë£¨ ë§ì ê±° ê°ì ëëì ì주 ë°ê¸´ íê±°ë ì..\n<jun_> ìë ¤ì§ ì¦ìì¤ìì ëª©ì´ ì¹¼ì¹¼íë¤ë ì¦ìì ììëê±° ê°ê¸´íë°... ê·¸ëë 모르ë ë©´ìë ¥ì ìì°½ ì¬ë ¤ëìëê²...\n<bluedusk> 그걸 ì´ì¼ ì¬ë¦¬ëì?? ã¸\n<razGon_MINILA> ê·¸ë¥ ì½êµìì 콧물ì´ë ê°ë ¤ìì¦ì½ ë°ê±°ë 졸ìì´ ë¬¸ì ìë©´ ìì¬ìê² ì²ë°©ë°ì¼ìë©´ ë©ëã
£ë¤.\n<razGon_MINILA> ê·¸ë°ê²½ì°ë ì ê²½íì. ê°ê¸°ì¦ìì¸ í¸í¡ê¸° ì¦ìë³´ë¤.. ìë¬ì§ë ìë¥ì± ìëì¼ê³¼ ê°ì ì¦ìì¼ ê°ã
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ëë¤..\n<razGon_MINILA> 몸ì ì ìì¸ë° ì±ê°ìë¤íë©´ ê±°ì 그거ì
ëë¤.\n<razGon_MINILA> ë©´ìì ììê³ ìë¨¹ê³ ì´ëìíë©´ ì¬ë¼ê°ëë¤.\n<jun_> ë§ì¹¨ ì´ë¨¸ëê» ì íì¤ë¤ì.... ìì§ì ë³ë¤ë¥¸ê±° ìì¼ì ê±° ê°ìë°... 무ì긴 íì ê±° ê°ë¤ì\n<jason_kr_> ì´ë¨¸ë ì°ì¸'ë?\n<jun_> ì¬í´ 56ì¸ ëì¸ì\n<jason_kr_> íì ê±´ê°íì
¨ë¤ë©´ í° ê±±ì íììë ëì¬~ ^^\n<jun_> íìë¼ë©´ ê·¸ë´í
ë°.. íí íì§íìê° ëì¨ ì§ìì´ë¤ ë³´ë ê±±ì ì´ ìë ìê° ìë¤ì...\n<jun_> ì ì ì 리ë¶ì¢ íê³ ì¤ê² ìµëë¤~\n<ircCloud^Seony> extìì btrfsë¡ ì»¨ë²ì ¼ì´ ëë¤ì...\n<ircCloud^Seony> ì 기íë¤\n<jason_kr_> ã
\n<HolyKnight> íëì°¨ 주ì ê°ì§ ë¶ì ì°¸ê³ íì¸ì. http://mlbpark.donga.com/mbs/articleV.php?mbsC=bullpen2&mbsIdx=2557064&cpage=2&mbsW=search&select=sct&opt=1&keyword=%c7%f6%b4%eb%c2%f7\n<pchero_work> ì´ê±° ë³´ì
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGsn11qZc6M\n<PotatoGim> Seony: ë¤, ext3/4 ë³íì´ë 롤백 ë©ëë¤!\n<PotatoGim> 기존 ext íì¼ìì¤í
ììì í ë¹ ê³µê°ìì ì ì¸ë기 ë문ì ë¨í¸íë ë¶ë¶ì 리밸ë°ì±ì´ íìí ìë ì구ì.\n<HolyKnight> ìë³´! ì ì ë¦ììì ë©ë¥´ì¤ ë³´ê· ì ì¡ìê°ë ì¤ì´ëëë¤! ëì¹ë ë리ë¨!\n<PotatoGim> ....!!\n<jun_> ....!!!!!\n<razGon_MINILA> !!!!\n<razGon_MINILA> ì ë¦?\\\n<razGon_MINILA> ìëë©´ ì ë¦?\n<PotatoGim> ì ì ë¦ì\n<PotatoGim> ì ë¦ë¼ê³ ìëë° ì¼ì±ëì ë¹ìì´ë¤ì;\n<jun_> ì¥?? 무ì¨ì¼ì´ ìëì?\n<razGon_MINILA> ã
ã·ã·ã·\n<PotatoGim> ì ì ë¦ì ì¸ê·¼ìì ë©ë¥´ì¤ ë³´ê· ì ë°ê²¬ëë¤ë ê² ê°ìì;;\n<razGon_MINILA> ã
ã·ã·ã·\n<razGon_MINILA> ìì¸ ë¬´ìì´ëë¤\n<jun_> í;;;; ê²°êµ ìì¸ì ì¬ë¼ìëë³´ë¤ì;;;;\n<PotatoGim> ë§ì¤í¬ë¥¼ ì¬ì¼í ìì´ ì¤ë¤ì...ã
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íì¸ì\n<pchero_work> ëµ, ìë
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íì¸ì?\n<ipeter_> useridë¡ ë¤ì´ê°ê³ ëì mkdir temp ë§ë¤ê³ ëì\n<ipeter_> ll -al tempì³ë³´ëê¹\n<ipeter_> drwxr-xr-x 2 user3 user3 4096 Jun 3 22:09 .\n<ipeter_> ì¬ê¸° 2ê° ì íëë§í¬ê° 2ê° ëì£ ?\n<autowiz> íëë§í¬ê° ìëì§ ìëì?\n<autowiz> ê·¸ë¥ íì inode ê°ì ë¼ëê°\n<ipeter_> DarkCircle:\n<ipeter_> autowiz: ê·¸ë¥ ë¡ê·¸ì¸ííì\n<ipeter_> mkdir tempí´ë ë§ë¤ëì\n<ipeter_> ê·¸ë¦¬ê³ ëì\n<ipeter_> ls -al tempì³ë³´ëê¹\n<ipeter_> íëë§í¬ê° 2ì¸ ì´ì 를 ë§íë¼ë¤ì.\n<autowiz> ëê°?\n<autowiz> ë°ë¦¬ê³ ìì\n<autowiz> ëë í 리ë íëë§í¬ê° ì걸린ë¤ê³ \n<DarkCircle> ì´ëì ê·¸ë° ì¬ê¸°ë¥¼ ...\n<DarkCircle> https://kldp.org/node/32696\n<autowiz> íì¼ì¼ë íëë§í¬ ì¹´ì´í¸ íë ë¶ë¶ì´ ëë í 리ë íì inode ê°ìì¸ê° ê·¸ë ë¤ê³ ë¤ì ì¤ëª
ë리ì¸ì\n<ipeter_> drwxr-xr-x 2 user3 user3 4096 Jun 3 22:09 temp/\n<ipeter_> ã
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\n<ipeter_> í\n<ipeter_> ì¤ì ì ì¼ë¡ ì tempí´ë ë§ë¤ê³ ëì ì³ë³´ëê¹ 2 ê° ë¨ììì?\n<ipeter_> ì ê±° íëë§í¬ ê°ì ìëê°ì?\n<autowiz> ê·¸ë¬ëê¹ ëë í 리ë ì 기ì«ìê° íëë§í¬ê° ìëë¼êµ¬ì\n<autowiz> temp ìì íì¼ ë§ë¤ë©´ 2 ì«ìê° ëì´ë ê±°ìì\n<autowiz> ìì -> ìì\n<DarkCircle> ì ííê²ë\n<DarkCircle> íì¼íê³ ë ìê´ ì구ì\n<DarkCircle> 기본ì 2\n<DarkCircle> .\n<DarkCircle> ..\n<DarkCircle> ì´ê±°ë\n<DarkCircle> ê·¸ë¦¬ê³ ëì´ëë ëë í°ë¦¬\n<DarkCircle> ì´ ê°¯ìì
ëë¤.\n<ipeter_> drwxr-xr-x 7 user3 user3 4096 Jun 3 22:32 ./\n<ipeter_> ì 기 íì¬ ëë í 리ì\n<autowiz> ì íì¼ì ì¹´ì´í¸ ìëëê±´ê°ì?\n<ipeter_> 7ì´ë¼ë ì«ì íëë§í¬ë¥¼ ë§íëê±´ê°ì?\n<ipeter_> ì ê±° ê°¯ì ìëê°ì?\n<ipeter_> í´ë íë ë§ë¤ë©´ ëì´ëëë°..;;;\n<autowiz> ê°ìë§ì ëì´ì ìíê² ì\n<HolyKnight> http://m.blog.naver.com/kickthebaby/220376675928\n<samahui_ws> ë°¤ì´ ê¹ììµëë¤. ì´ì ì¬ì¸ì\n<pchero_work> ã
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\n<pchero_work> ì¼ìë 주문íëë° ì¤ë ëì°©íìµëë¤. ìê°ë³´ë¤ ë¹ ë¥´ë¤ì. ã
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\n<samahui_ws> ììì ë¹ ë¥´ê² ìì¼ì£ ~ ì¤ë¤ê° ìíë©´ ìë¡ ìí´ë ã
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\n<samahui_ws> ì¬ê³ ì¶ì¼ë©´ ì¬ì¸ì~\n<samahui_ws> ì´ë ì¬ëê² ë¥ë ¥ì
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\n<ipeter_> autowiz: ê³ ë§ìµëë¤.\n<ipeter_> DarkCircle: ê³ ë§ìµëë¤.\n<DarkCircle> ~(~_~)~\n<autowiz> ë©ë¥´ì¤ ì¡°ì¬íì¸ì~~ ã
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\n<HolyKnight> http://m.todayhumor.co.kr/view.php?table=bestofbest&no=209115\n<pchero_work> ã
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\n<samahui_ws> ë´ì¤ë¥¼ ë³´ë ì ë§ ì¼ë¶ íêµìì ê°ì íµì 문ì¼ë¡ ëíì 먹ì§ë§ë¼ ë³´ëêµ°ì... 무ì¨ìê°ì¸ì§...\n<HolyKnight> ìë³´!\n<HolyKnight> ì¤ì° ê³µêµ°ê¸°ì§ ë©ë¥´ì¤\n<HolyKnight> ìì± íì !!!\n<samahui_ws> ì§ì§ ëìë¤ëì§ ë§ê³ ë°©ì½í´ì¼ ê² êµ°ì\n<samahui_ws> íì¬ë íêµë ëê°ì§ ë§ê³ ë°©ì½\n<samahui_ws> ë¬´ì¨ ë°©ìì ê·¸ë°ìë¡ íëì§ íì¬íë¤ì\n<samahui_ws> ì´ì¹ì½ íë° ì¥ì¸êµ°ì... 구ë¦ê´ì¤ì´ ë§ìì±ìì 기ë¤ë ¸ëë°... ì ì ê³µì ë°ì¼ë¡ ~~ ëê° ë²ë¦¬ê³ ~\n<DarkCircle> Cantide ' ')/ hi (?!)\n<samahui_ws> ì ì´ë§ ê°ë³´ê² ìµëë¤~ ì¦ê±°ì´ ë°¤ ëì¸ì~\n<samahui_ws> ë´ì¼ëµì~\n<Cantide> Hello :)\n<Cantide> ìë
íì¸ì~\n<Cantide> ì§ê¸ íê° ê°ì, ìì ê±° íì ã
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\n<Cantide> I'm going to cycle along the Han river now :p\n<Cantide> hi TaeheeJang\n<TaeheeJang> oh long time no see Cantide!\n<TaeheeJang> are you going to bike to íê°?\n<Cantide> ë¤~\n<Cantide> yes :D\n<TaeheeJang> oh you're good at Korean! haha\n<Cantide> not good!\n<Cantide> but learning :p\n<TaeheeJang> me either lol\n<Cantide> ì¤ë ìì
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\n<Cantide> haha\n<Cantide> suuuuuuuuuuuure\n<Cantide> anyway, i will save everyone's eyes from English now :p\n<Cantide> see ya~\n<ipeter_> DarkCircle: ìê¹ ì§ë¬¸í ë 쿼리 ë 린거...ì§ê¸ ìê°í´ë³´ë©´ ì°¸ ë²ë¦ìëê±° ê°ìë°, ëµë³í´ë¬ë¼ê³ 쿼리 ë ë¦°ê² ìëë¼ ì¤íì¹ê³ í ì¹ìíìì ì¿¼ë¦¬ê° ë ë ¤ì§ ê±°ìì.\n<ipeter_> í¹ìë¼ë ë¶ì¾íì
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\n<Work^Seony> ì§ìì ì°ë ì»´í¨í°ì ssdê° ì ì ê½ ì°¨ê°ì, ì¸ì ë ì¸ì¥íë를 íë ì¬ì¼í ëê° ì¤ë¤ì\n<Work^Seony> usb3 ì¸ì¥íë 24ìê° ê±¸ì´ëê³ ì°ë©´ ìì ì±ì ë¬´ë¦¬ê° ììê¹ ëª¨ë¥´ê² ë¤ì\n<Work^Seony> ì´ë¼ ê·¼ë° usb3ìì 2.4ghz 주íì ê°ìíìì´ ìë¤ë¤ì..\n<Work^Seony> ì´ë¬ë©´ ìëëë°..\n<autowiz> ìì ì±ì 문ì ê° ìì´ì¼ ì ìì¸ê±° ê°ìµëë¤.ì ë ì§ê¸ usb 2.0 ì°ê³ ì구ì\n<autowiz> 주íì ê°ìì´ë¼ë ã
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ì´ëì ëë¡ ì¬íì§ ê¶ê¸íë¤ì. ê·¼ë° usb3.0 ì ì´ë ì¼ì´ë¸ ì°ì§ ìëì?\n<Work^Seony> 무ì ë§ì°ì¤ ê°ìê² ìì§ìì´ ì¤ê°ì¤ê°ì ë긴ë¤ë¤ì\n<Work^Seony> ìì´íì´ê° ì ìëë¤ê±°ë..\n<autowiz> ì ë°ëë¡ usb 3.0 ì¥ë¹ê° ë¤ë¥¸ ì¥ë¹ë¤íí
ìí¥ì 미ì¹ë¤ëê±° ê°ë¤ì\n<autowiz> ë§ëê±´ê° ... ì ì ì»ê³ ì¤ê² ìµëë¤. ìë¤ê° ëµê² ìµëë¤. ã
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íì¸ì~~~~\n<jun> ë©ë¥´ì¤ë¡ ë¶ìí 목ìì¼ìë ~\n<samahui_ws> ë¼ëì¤ì ëì¨ ì 문ê°ì ë§ë ì¼ë¦¬ê° ìë¤ì\n<samahui_ws> ì무리 ë
í´ë ê°ê¸° ë
ê°ì´ë... ì¹ë£ì 를 ë§ë¤ì´ë´ì¼ í¬ìê¸ëë¹ ììµì´ ìì꺼 ê°ìì (ì¬ì¤ê±´ ì¡°ë¥ë
ê°ì´ê±´ 1ë
ì ë ì§ëê³ ì¬ë¼ì ¸ë²ë¦¬ë¤ì¶ì´í´ë²ë ¸ì£ )\n<samahui_ws> ê°ë°ì ì ê·¹ì ì´ì§ ììì ì¹ë£ì ê°ë°ì´ ë¦ëê±°ë¼ë¤ì\n<samahui_ws> ì¼ë°ì ë
ê° ì¹ì¬ì¨ ë¹ì·í ìì¤ì´ê³ \n<samahui_ws> ë ìë¬´í¼ ë무 ìì¼íê² ëì²íê±´ ì ë¶ì ì못ì´ì§ë§... ë무 ê²ë¨¹ê³ í ì¼ë ìëë¼ë¤ì\n<autowiz> ë ì ë ì í 무ìì§ ììµëë¤.\n<samahui_ws> 죽ìì¬ëë ëë¶ë¶ ìë ì§ë³ì´ ìë ê·¸ê²ë ì
íëì´ìë ì¬ëë¤ì´ê³ \n<samahui_ws> ê·¸ëë ì ì기 ëì ê±±ì ì´ê³ 무ìë´ì ã
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ë°ì\n<samahui_ws> ê´ì리 ì¼ í¤ì°ê³ ìì£ ... ì ë¶ê° ë ê°ì¶ê³ ì¶ìê² ìë ì ì ë¬ë ëª¨ë¥´ê² ë¤ì\n<autowiz> ë³ì ê³µê°íë©´ ê·¸ ë³ìì ê°ì í´ì
ëì§ ìëë ë§ë ìëë¼êµ¬ì\n<bluedusk> samahui_ws, ì´ë²ì ë¶ê° ì ¤ ìíë ì¼ì´ììì\n<Work^Seony> ìì§ 300ë§ëª
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\n<bluedusk> ì¼ë¨ ëë ê°ì¶ëê±°\n<autowiz> ë¸ëë ìë
íì¸ì\n<bluedusk> autowiz, ìë
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ëëë¼ë êµë¯¼ì´ ê±´ê°í´ì¼ì£ \n<bluedusk> autowiz, ìì¤í
ì context switch ê° ë ë§ìë° ì´ê±¸ ì´ì¼ í´ì¼ í ê¹ì?\n<autowiz> cpu 쪽ì´ì?\n<Work^Seony> ìì¬ì¤ë¤ë§ ë©ë¥´ì¤ì ê°ì¼ëë¤ë©´? ìë ëì¼ì ë¶ë¤ë§ ë©ë¥´ì¤ì ê°ì¼ëë¤ë©´?\n<autowiz> ìëë©´ 컨í
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íì¸ì`\n<commania> ~\n<lexlove> ìë
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íì¸ì.\n<autowiz_> ë ì¤ë ìë
íì¸ì...\n<autowiz_> íí ìì¦ ê°ë°ì© ìì¤í
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íì¸ì~\n#ubuntu-ko 2016-06-08\n<lexlove> ìë
íì¸ì~\n<autowiz_> ìë
íì¸ì ë ì¤ë\n<autowiz_> ì¤ëì í층 ë ìë¦ë¤ì ì§ì
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íì¸ì\n<razGon_i7> ìë
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íì¸ì.\n<razGon_i7> Feren^IRCCloud: í¬ë¡!\n<Feren^IRCCloud> razGon_i7: ìë
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íì¸ì\n<imsu> ìì¬ë¤ ë§ëê² íì
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íì¸ì\n#ubuntu-ko 2016-06-09\n<jun_> ìë
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íì¸ì.^^\n<lexlove> jun_: ë§ì´ ë°°ì°ì
¨ëì?\n<jun_> lexlove: ê¸ìì... ì ëê»´ì¤ëê±°ì§ë§.. ì ë¨¸ë¦¬ê° ëìê±° ê°ìì ã
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ìì´ ëª©íê° ìëë¼ ê·¸ë¥ ì¼ì ë§ ë§ì¶°ì 먼ì ê³µë¶íì! ê° ëª©íì
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íì¸ì\n<lexlove> ìë
íì¸ì.^^\n<bluedusk> ì ê° ììì¸ë ë¤ì¹ë ì´ ê·¸ë¬ì£ ..\n<bluedusk> ëê° ë¶ìíë° ì´ìíê² ì»¨ëì
ì¢ê³ ê¸°ë¶ ì¢ìë ë ..\n<jun_> ì´ì ë ì ë¤ì´ê°ì
¨ìµëê¹~???\n<lexlove> ì§ê¸ì ê´ì°®ì¼ì¸ì?\n<bluedusk> ë¤\n<bluedusk> ì´ì ë ìë¤ì´ê°ê³ ìì ì¸ë ë¤ì¹ê±´ ë ìì¬ìíê³ ì¼ììí ì§ì¥ìë ë²ììì ì§ë´ê³ ìì´ì\n<Feren^IRCCloud> ìë
íì¸ì.\n<lexlove> ìë
íì¸ì~\n<razGon_i7> 굳모ë.\n<razGon_i7> ììì¸ë ììì´ë©´.\n<HolyKnight_> ììì¸ë 무ìë¤ì \n<bluedusk> ê´ì°®ìì ë구 못íëê±° ë¹¼ê³ ë\n<bluedusk> ì´ë§í´ì\n<autowiz_> ì¬ëí©ëë¤.\n<autowiz_> ë¸ë£¨ëì¤í¬ë\n<autowiz_> ìë
íì¸ì.\n<pchero_work> ì¢ì ì침ì
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íì¸ì\n<soyeomul> ë ì¤ë ìë
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ëë¤\n<lexlove_> ê·¸ë êµ°ì.\n<soyeomul^bionic> ë¨;;\n<soyeomul^bionic> ê·¸ë¦¬ê³ ì´ì 116 ë§ë¦¬ì
ëë¤!\n<soyeomul^bionic> íë§ë¦¬ íë§ë¦¬ê° ì ë§ ë¹¡ì¸ë¤ì¬\n<lexlove_> ì~ í¼ìì ë¤ ê´ë¦¬íëê±´ ìëì£ ?\n<soyeomul^bionic> ìë°¥ì í¼ì주구ì\n<soyeomul^bionic> ë³ì§ ìì
í ë ì¹êµ¬ë¤ ëì ë°ìì\n<soyeomul^bionic> ê±°ë¦ì¹ ëëì\n<soyeomul^bionic> ìë°¥ == ìì¬ë¬¼\n<lexlove_> ì~ 116ë§ë¦¬ ì¬ì¤ ì¤ê°ì´ ëì§ ìë¤ì\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì¬í´ ë기기ì ì 120ë ë기ëê² ìì ììì
ëë¤\n<lexlove_> ì ì í°ì§ì´ ì를 í¤ìì. í 50ë§ë¦¬ì ë.\n<soyeomul^bionic> 5ë§ë¦¬ë§ ë ì기면 121\n<lexlove_> ëë°°ê° ëë¤ì. ã
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ì¹ì´ 기ìµì´ ê°ë¬¼ê°ë¬¼ íë¤ì\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì ë¨ ì¥ì±êµ° ì¼ìë©´\n<soyeomul^bionic> 주ìê° ê·¸ë ë¤ë¤ì\n<lexlove_> ì ì¥ì±\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì¥ì±ìì ê°ê¹ì´ê°ì í°ëì´ì?\n<lexlove_> ìëì. ë°ë쪽ì
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í?\n<soyeomul^bionic> ë´ì?\n<lexlove_> ë¤\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì\n<soyeomul^bionic> ë´ì쪽ë 무ìê² íë² ê°ë³´ê³ ì¶ìëë°... ë í´ì 견íí ë ì½ì¤ì ë£ì´ì¼ê² ì´ì\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì¸ì ê° ë ì§ ëª¨ë¥´ê²ì§ë§ì;;;\n<lexlove_> ë ëê° ëë©´ í°ì§ 골목ì ëë무 ë¤ë¬ì´ì§ ê²ë¤ì´ í¼ì³ì ¸ ì곤 íì£ \n<soyeomul^bionic> ëë무 무ìê² ì¢ìíê±°ë±ì\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì í¬ ëì¥ì´ë¦ì´ \"ëì²ëì¥\"\n<soyeomul^bionic> ëë무 ì²ì´ìë¤ë¤ì¬ ìë ìì\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì§ê¸ì ëë무ë ë§ì´ ìì´ì\n<lexlove_> ì~ ì§ì§ ì¢ìíìëë´ì\n<soyeomul^bionic> íì§ë§ ë´ìì...\n<soyeomul^bionic> ê·¸ ì§ì§ ì°ê±°ì§ ëë무 ì² ë³´ê³ ì¡ë¤ì\n<lexlove_> ì´ë¦´ì ì ë ëë무ì²ì 무ììíì´ì\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì~\n<soyeomul^bionic> ê·ì íëì¬ê¹ë°~?\n<lexlove_> íì ì´ëì»´ì»´íê³ ìëí ë°ëì´ ëì¤ë ê³³ì´ë¼\n<lexlove_> ëµ. ã
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ë..\n<soyeomul^bionic> ê·ì ë ì¨ì ê³³ ìê³ \n<soyeomul^bionic> ìë°ë° ì침 커í¼ë íìì~~~\n<lexlove_> ì¤ì¤ë¡ ìì¸ì ì°¾ìë³´ìë©´ ë°¤ëì´ ì´ëì´ í¸ì´ìì. ì´ë¦´ ë ì골 밤길ì 걸ì ë ì ê¸¸ì´ ìë³´ì¬ì. ì¹êµ¬ë¤ì ë°ì´ê°ëë°. ë ê·ì ì ì§ì ë¤ì´ê°ë©´ ììì¼ë¡ ëëì´ì§ë ê¸¸ì´ ê°ê¹ì´ê°ê¸°ì ê¹ì§ ë³´ì´ì§ ììì ê³µí¬ê° ë ê·¹ëíë ê² ê°ìì.\n<lexlove_> ê·¸ëì ê²ì´ ë§ì ë¯ í´ì.\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì.. ê·¸ë° ì¬ì°ì´..;\n<soyeomul^bionic> 커í¼ë íì íì구ì¬~\n<lexlove_> ìì¬ë¬¼ë른 커í¼íë¦ì´ì ê±° ê°ìì\n<soyeomul^bionic> ë ~\n<lexlove_> ë§ìê² ëì¸ì~\n<soyeomul^bionic> ë¨ë¨;;\n<soyeomul^bionic> ^^;\n<soyeomul^bionic> ìë°ë° 먼ì ë¤ì´ê°ëë¤ ì¤íì 100ì¼ë ê¹ëì´ íë§ë¦¬ ë¹ì¡ì¬ë¡ ì®ê¹ëë¤ ì ë¼ê¸°\n<soyeomul^bionic> 모ë ì¡´ í루ì¬~~~\n<soyeomul^bionic> 꾸ë²
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ì¸ì§ íì´íì¸ì§ë ìì§ ëª¨ë¥´ì§ë§) ì¸í(?)ì´ë¼ê³ ìí¤ìì ìê°ëë ê±° ê°ìì, ìëë¡ì´ëë¡ ì§ìíì´ì. ì ê° ì못 ë´¤ëë´
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7ì 41ë¶ë¶í° ë¹ê° ë´ë¦¬ê¸° ììíì´ì ì¸ì§\n<soyeomul> ê·¸ëì ì¬ë£í¬ë íì ì´ì\n<soyeomul> ë¹ë§ì¼ë©° íì ëë° ê·¸ëë ë¤ ì¹ì°ë ë§ìì´ íê°ë¶í´ì§ë¤ì¬\n<soyeomul> ìì§ íëì¤ì´ë¼ ë¶ê°ì í¬í ì¸ìëê³ ì§ì¼ë³´ê³ ìì´ì ë¤íë©´ ì§ì ë¤ì´ê°ë ¤í´ì\n<soyeomul> ëì¥ì ì¸ë¶ê³µì 기 ë¬ì´ë¨ëë° ëìë²ìê° ë°ê²½ 300미í°ì¯¤ ëì´ì ê·¸ê±¸ë¡ ì¸í°ë¸ ì°ê±¸íì´ì\n<UbuntuKrSlack> <fmowl> ê°íì§ë¼ ê·¸ë°ê°ë³´ë¤ì\n<UbuntuKrSlack> <fmowl> ì§ìì ë기곤 íëë° ã
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ëë¤ ì¤ëì ì ë§ ì¨ì²ê°ì´ ëê»´ì ¸ì\n<soyeomul> ê·¸ ëì물 ì´ì¼ê¸°ìì... ì´ë¨¸ëê»ì ë§ë¹ í
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\n<Seony> 미êµììë ë§ì´ 문ì ê° ë©ëë¤\n<soyeomul^bionic> 미êµê³¼ íêµì ì°¨ì´!\n<Seony> ì ê³µ ì¸ì ì무 ê²ë 몰ë¼ë ì í 문ì ê° ìì´ì\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì~ 미êµì íëë§ ìíë©´ ëë²ëë° ë¬¸ì ê° ìë¤ë¼ë ë§ì²ë¼ ë¤ë¦¬ë¤ì¬~\n<Seony> ë¤ ì íí©ëë¤.\n<soyeomul^bionic> ê·¼ë° ì ë ... ê³µê°ì´ ê°ëë¤... ê° ì ì¼ë¡ ì¬ê¸° ëì´ ìí...\n<Seony> íêµììë ê±°ì ì¬ë¼ì ¸ê°ë Perl íë¡ê·¸ë머ê°, 미êµììë 그거 íëë§ ìí´ë ë¨¹ê³ ì¬ëë° ë¬¸ì ìì´ì\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì¹êµ¬ë ë°ëì¬/ë
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ì ë¹ì·íê±°ë ì ê° ìª¼ë§¤ë ë²ì´ì\n<soyeomul^bionic> í í í\n<soyeomul^bionic> ê·¸ë¼ ì ë ë£¨ë¹ ì ë¼ê³ íì´ì¬ íëë§ ê¹ê² íê³ ì¶ì´ì\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì§ì§ë¡ì\n<soyeomul^bionic> íì´ì¬ ì½ë©ë§ íì íê³ ì¡ë¤ì 리ë
ì¤ììì.\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì를 í¤ì°ë©°...\n<Seony> ã
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ì ê°ì¸ì ì¼ë¡ë íì´ì¬ íëë§ íì
ë ìì¼ë¡ 문ì ê° ìì ê±°ë¼ê³ ë´
ëë¤.\n<soyeomul^bionic> ëµ!\n<Seony> ì¬ì¤ ìì¬ë¬¼ë ì
ì¥ììë 루ë¹ë³´ë¨ íì´ì¬ì íìëê² ë ë«ë¤ê³ ìê°í´ì\n<soyeomul^bionic> ê³µê°ê³µê°!\n<soyeomul^bionic> ã
\n<soyeomul^bionic> ë¤ íë 루ë¹ê° `` ìì ìëª
ë ¹ì´ë¥¼ í¬í¨ìí¤ë©´ ë¤ ëì´ì íì´ì¬ë³´ë¤ ê°ê²°íë¤ ìê°íëë°... ë ë³µì¡íê² ëê°ëê¹... ê·¸ê² ìëëë¼êµ¬ì íì´ì¬ì´ ë ì¢ëë¼êµ¬ì\n<soyeomul^bionic> subprocess\n<soyeomul^bionic> 루ë¹ë ì« ë ëê°ë¤ë³´ë©´ ì´ê² ê°ê²°íì§ ìëì§ í¤ê¹ë¦´ëê° ë§ê³ ë§ì¹ íì²ë¼ ë³µì¡íê² ëê»´ì§ëë¼ë...\n<Seony> ì ê°ì¸ì ì¸ ì견ì¸ë°, 루ë¹ë ì¹ íë ììí¬ë¡ ì±ê³µí ì¸ì´ì´ê³ ì¬ì í ì¹ì¬ì´í¸ ë§ëëë°ìë ë§ì´ ì°ì´ê³ ì긴 íë°ì, ìì¤í
쪽ì¼ë¡ë íì´ì¬ì´ë ë¹êµí ì ììë§í¼ ì§ìëë í¨í¤ì§ ìê° ì ì´ì\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì ìì¤í
... ëµ ì ë ìì¤í
ì íì´ì¬ì¼ë¡ ì리íê³ ì¶ìì´ì. bash/sh ìì ê°ë¥í 모ë ê²ì íì´ì¬ì¼ë¡ íê³ ì¶ìì´ì\n<Seony> ì ë ê°ë¨í ì ì¤í¬ë¦½í¸ë¡ í´ê²°ì´ ìëë©´ íì´ì¬ì¼ë¡ ì§ì ê´ë¦¬íê³ ìì´ì ã
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\n<soyeomul^bionic> ë¨^^\n<soyeomul^bionic> ìë° íì´ì¬ ì´ì¼ê¸° íë¤ë³´ë ì»¤í¼ íì ë ë¡ê¸°ë¤ì¬~\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì~\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì ì ì 커í¼ë§ìë¤ ë ì´ë¤ì 걸린 ë´ì¤... https://www.clien.net/service/board/park/13576138\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì ì´ë§ 먼ì ë¤ì´ê°ë³¼ê»ì~\n<soyeomul^bionic> 모ë ì¡´ í루ì¬~\n<soyeomul^bionic> 꾸ë²
\n<autowiz> íì´ì¬ë ì¢ê¸´íë° ë¤ì¬ì°ê¸° ê·ì¹ì´ ì¢ ë¶í¸í긴 í©ëë¤ . ìì§ ì ìë ìë구ì ã
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\n<Seony> ì ë ë¤ì¬ì°ê¸°ì ë³ì ì¼ë¡ ì§ì°©íë ì¬ëì´ë¼ ê´ì°®ìµëë¤ ã
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\n<autowiz> ì ë íë¡ê·¸ë¨ 짤ëë ë¹ì¤ ê¹ì§ë ì¼ì¼ì´ 미리 ë§ì¶°ëëí¸ì¸ë° ê·¸ëë ê°ì ì ì¼ë¡ í´ì¼íë¤ëê¹ ë ê° ì¢ ì«ì´ì§ë ã
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\n<lexlove_> ìë
íì¸ì\n<Seony> ìë
íì¸ì\n<lexlove_> í´ê·¼ê¹ì§ 50ë¶ ë¨ììµëë¤. ã
\n<Seony> ë°ì´ì¬ë ìë²ê°ë ì ì¢ ë³´ì
¨ëì?\n<lexlove_> ìë¨. ã
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\n<lexlove_> ì í°ë¹ê° ìë§ì´ ìëìì.\n<lexlove_> ë
¸í¸ë¶ì íì¬ ë¹ë ¤ì¤ ìíë¼ ë¤ì주 주ë§ì´ ëì´ì¼ ë³¼ ì ììê±° ê°ìì.\n<Seony> í ê·¸ë êµ°ì\n<lexlove_> ê°ë§ì ë³´ê³ ì¶ì ì ëê° ìê²¼ëë° ëª»ë´ì ìì¬ìì\n<Seony> ê·¼ë° í°ë¹ìì ë·íë¦ì¤ ì°ê²°ì´ ëë ê±°ìì?\n<lexlove_> ìë¨\n<Seony> ê·¼ë° í°ë¹ê° ìë§ì´ ìëì¨ë¤ëê² ë¬´ì¨ ë»ìì?\n<lexlove_> íì¼ë¡ ë°ìê±°ë ì\n<Seony> ì ë·íë¦ì¤ 구ë
ìíìëêµ°ì ã
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\n<lexlove_> ëµ\n<lexlove_> USBì ì ì¥í´ì í°ë¹ì ì°ê²°íëë° ìë§ì 못ë¶ë¬ì¤ëë¼êµ¬ì\n<Seony> ë·íë¦ì¤ë... ì ë§ ë³¼ê² ë무 ë§ìì ëì´ ììê¹ë¤ì ã
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\n<lexlove_> ê·¸ë êµ°ì.\n<lexlove_> ì ë·íë¦ì¤ë íë©´ ìë ê±° ê°ìì. í°ë¹ë§ 볼거 ê°ì´ì. ã
\n<Seony> ì ìì§ ë³¼ê² ë무 ë§ì´ ë¨ìì´ì. 미ì¤í° ì
ì¬ì¸ë ë´ì¼ëê³ , íì°ì¤ ì¤ë¸ ì¹´ëë ìì§ ìì¦ 1ë°ì ëª»ë´¤ê³ ... ã
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\n<lexlove_> íë² ë¹ ì§ë©´ í¤ì´ëì¤ì§ 못í ê±° ê°ìì. ã
\n#ubuntu-ko 2019-06-08\n<soyeomul> 꾸ë²
\n<soyeomul> ì¤ëì í ìì¼\n<soyeomul> ì¡°ì©í ê±° ê°ìë° ìë²½ë¶í° ìì íë§ë¦¬ íìëë¤\n<soyeomul> ë¹ë 그쳤ì§ë§ ë
ê³¼ íì´ ì ì´ìì´ì ì¥íì ê³ ìì¬ë¬¼ 줬ì´ì~\n<soyeomul> ë¤ë¤ ì¡´ 주ë§ì¬~~~\n<Seony> ìë
íì¸ì\n<soyeomul> ì¤ ìëë 주ë§ìë ì¼íê³ ê³ì ê°ì,,,\n<Seony> ìë¨\n<Seony> ìì§ ê¸ìì¼ì
ëë¤\n<soyeomul> ì\n<soyeomul> ë¨ë¨;;;\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì¬ì í¸ì´ì~\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì ì ì»¤í¼ íìì¬~\n<soyeomul^bionic> ì´ë°ë° 먼ì ë¤ì´ê°ë³¼ê»ì~\n<soyeomul^bionic> 꾸ë²
\n<soyeomul> í ìì¼ ì£¼ë§ ì ë
ì
ëë¤\n<soyeomul> ìë
íì¸ì~\n<groudon_> ìë
íì¸ì\n<soyeomul> ì¤ ê·¸ë¡ì°ëë ìë
íì¸ì~\n<soyeomul> í´ì¸ì 거주íìëë°ì¬ ê·¸ë¡ì´ëë\n<soyeomul> ì¤ë ì¡ìì§ íë§ë¦¬ íì´ë¬ìµëë¤\n<soyeomul> ì§ê¸ ì´ë¯¸ì ë¨¹ê³ ìëë¼êµ¬ì\n<soyeomul> ì°ì¬ì ë¶ ì¼ëê³ ì¡°ì©í ì§ì¼ë¡ ììµëë¤~\n<groudon_> ^^\n<groudon_> ì ë ì¡ìì§ë¥¼ 본ì ìì§ë ìì´ì\n<groudon_> ì¢ì ì ë
ëì¸ì ^^\n<soyeomul> ì ëµ;;;\n<jason_KR> 맨ë \"ì¤ë ì¡ìì§ íë§ë¦¬ê° íì´ë¬ìµëë¤\" ë¼ê³ ã
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ê·¸ëì, ë³¼ ëë§ë¤ (ìì¼ë¡) ì¶íí©ëë¤. ê·¸ë°ë°, ê·¸ ëë¤ ìë¤ì ë§¤ì¼ ì¬ëíë? ë ì¡ìì§ê° í구íë íì´ëë°?!!! íë² ë ì¶ííê³ ì, ê¸ë
목í 120ë ìì±íìì~\n<soyeomul> ì ìì´ ëê²¼ì´ì ì ì ììì¬ ìì§ë¹ ê²°ì íë¬ ìë´ì ë¤ë
ìì´ì\n<soyeomul> ë¤íí ì±ì°½ì ì¬ì¤ë ë©ìì§ê° ë¨ê²¨ìì´ì ë´¤ìµëë¤\n<soyeomul> ì¬ì¤ë ê°ì¬í©ëë¤ ì¡ìì§ ì´ì¬í í¤ì°ê² ìëë¤!!!\n<soyeomul> ì¤ëê¹ì§ 117ë.\n<sellbyj> hello\n<sellbyj> ìë
íì¸ì/\n<soyeomul> ì\n<soyeomul> ëªë¶ ë¤ë
ê°ì
¨ëë°ì\n<soyeomul> ì ë ì´ë§ ìë¬ ê°ëë¤\n<soyeomul> ì¶êµ¬ë .... ì´ê¸°ê² ì£ ë¨¸;;\n<soyeomul> 모ë ì¡´ 주ë§ì~\n<soyeomul> 꾸ë²
\n<autowiz> ìë
íì¸ì~\n<Seony> ìë
íì¸ì\n#ubuntu-ko 2019-06-09\n<autowiz> ìë
íì¸ì~\n#ubuntu-ko 2020-06-01\n<soyeomul> 꾸ë²
\n<soyeomul> ì ì 먼ì ë¤ì´ê°ë³¼ê»ì~\n<soyeomul> 모ë ì¡´ í루ì~~~\n<soyeomul> 꾸ë²
\n#ubuntu-ko 2020-06-02\n<soyeomul> 꾸ë²
\n<soyeomul> ì´!\n<soyeomul> 먼ì ì ë¤ì´ê°ë³¼ê»ì~\n<soyeomul> 모ë ì¡´ í루ì¬~~~\n<soyeomul> 꾸ë²
\n<soyeomul> 5 4 3 2 1 0 '\\0'\n<foxmask> ìë
íì¸ì\n#ubuntu-ko 2020-06-03\n<foxmask> ìë
íì¸ì\n<Jason-KR> Hi~ fox mask ^^ Why France have a high mortality rate? I'm curious but worried.\n<foxmask> Jason-KR: when ?\n<Jason-KR> (recntly or) NOW by CoViD-19.\n<Jason-KR> It's most in the world. ã
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\n<foxmask> Jason-KR: where did you see a rate of mortality ? because actually, we can all go out because of the R0 rate near 1\n<Jason-KR> ì? Hmm...\n<Jason-KR> i saw https://coronaboard.fr/ and https://coronaboard.kr/ Deces 19.1% is a most in the world. ð¥\n<foxmask> Jason-KR I see, I don't know why\n<foxmask> I think a lot of people haven't been counted before.\n<Jason-KR> OK. ^^ I hope U (& family) R healthy.\n<foxmask> Jason-KR: it's ok for now ; thanks\n<Jason-KR> ^^\n<foxmask> Jason-KR: I hope you're fine too and your family also\n<Jason-KR> THX a lot, 2.\n<foxmask> I think there were a lot of factors : 1) stupidity and denying the truth of the virus from people and no respect of confinment 2) the gouvrment took decisions (confinment + masks) too late 3) masks is a long story ; governmant said \"you dont need\" then 2 weeks later \"you need them\" then they order masks too late\n<foxmask> french people still think they wont be infected... the stupidity is very high and arrogance too\n<Jason-KR> I totally agree w/U above 1~3.\n<Seony> ìë
íì¸ì\n<Seony> 2ë¬ì§¸ ì§ììë§ ì¼íëë°, ì´ë²ë¬ ë§ê¹ì§ ë ì§ìì íë¼ë¤ì. ì¬í근무 ì´ê±° êµì¥í ì¤í¸ë ì¤êµ°ì\n<pchero_work> ìë
íì¸ì, ì¤ëë§ì
ëë¤. :)\n<pchero_work> ì ë ë²ì¨ 3ë¬ì§¸ì¸ë°.. ì´ì ì¼ ì¢ ì¬íê·¼ë¬´ê° ìµìí´ì§ê³ ìë¤ì. ã
\n<Seony> ì ìµìì´ ìëë¼... ì ì ì¤í¸ë ì¤ê°... ã
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ì´ë§ ìªê°ë¤ì\n<Jason-KR> ë ë ë¶ ë¤ *ìì§ë* ì¬í근무ì¸ì§ 몰ëì´ì.\n<pchero_work> ã
\n<pchero_work> ê·¸ë¥ ê°ê¸ìíì
ëë¤.\n<pchero_work> ì§ìì 근무íëê±´ ì¢ìë° ë°ì 못ëê°ë⦠ì.. -_-;;;\n<Jason-KR> ì구 ë±íìë¤ ã
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\n#ubuntu-ko 2020-06-04\n<soyeomul> 꾸ë²
\n<soyeomul> 목ìì¼ ì침 문ìì¸ì¬ë립ëë¤~\n<soyeomul> ì¤ë ì¸ì§ ë¥ìµëë¤\n<soyeomul> ê·¸ëì ì침ì ì°ì¬ì ëíì í기 ê°ëìì¼°ì´ì~\n<soyeomul> í°ì ë¤ì 견ëì§ë§ ìê¹ë(ê°ë ì¡ìì§)ë¤ì íë¤ì´ íëë¼êµ¬ì~\n<soyeomul> ì ë ì ì ë°±ìì¨ì²ì í¼ììì´ì~\n<soyeomul> ë¤ë¤ ëì ì í¼í©ìë¤ììììì~\n<soyeomul> ì´ì´ì´\n<soyeomul> 먼ì ë¤ì´ê°ë³¼ê»ì\n<soyeomul> 모ë ì¡´ í루ì~~~\n<soyeomul> 꾸ë²
\n<lex__> ìë
íì¸ì\n<Jason-KR> ë§ ì ì¬ìì¬ íì¸ì. ^^\n<lex__> ì ì¬ ë§ìê² ëì¸ì\n<foxmask> ìë
íì¸ì\n#ubuntu-ko 2020-06-05\n<soyeomul> 꾸ë²
\n<soyeomul> ì´í¨ 먼ì ë¤ì´ê°ë³¼ê»ì\n<soyeomul> 모ë ì¡´ í루ì~~~\n<soyeomul> 꾸ë²
\n<Seony> ìì¦ PyQTë¡ ëê° í ë² ë§ë¤ì´ë³´ê³ ì¶ìë° ë ë§ë¤ì´ì¼í ì§ ìì´ëì´ê° ìë ì¤ë¥´ë¤ì ã
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íì¸ì\n<soyeomul> 꾸ë²
\n<soyeomul> ì´ìì¸ì¬~~~\n<soyeomul> ìí\n<soyeomul> ì 먼ì ë¤ì´ê°ë³¼ê»ì`~~\n<soyeomul> 꾸ë²
\n<soyeomul> 5 4 3 2 1 0 \\0\n#ubuntu-ko 2020-06-06\n<foxmask> ìë
íì¸ì\n#ubuntu-ko 2020-06-07\n<soyeomul> í...\n<soyeomul> ì°¨ì¸ìëê³ ì ì¬ë¬µê³ ëì ìë걸ìëë° ìëì´ ì걸ë´ì\n<soyeomul> ì ëì¹´ 긴ê¸ì¶ë ã
ã¹ë¬ëê³ ë©ë리ë¤ì¬\n<soyeomul> ì¶ì´ ì°¸ ë¤ì´ë´ë¯¹ ë³í무ì í©ë¤ë¤\n<soyeomul> ê·¸ëë ê³ ìëë¡ê°ìëì´ìë¤íì
ëë¤\n<soyeomul> ìì¼\n<soyeomul> ìë¶ë§ 기ë¤ë¦¬ë¤ íì¥ ê°ë°ì¬ê²ì´ì\n<soyeomul> ì í\n<soyeomul> 꾸ë²
\n"},"meta":{"kind":"string","value":"{\n \"pile_set_name\": \"Ubuntu IRC\"\n}"}}},{"rowIdx":7,"cells":{"text":{"kind":"string","value":"#ubuntu-classroom-es 2012-06-13\n<ofpprieto> Buenas noches\n#ubuntu-classroom-es 2012-06-17\n<rhijgal> hola\n<rhijgal> alguien habla español???\n"},"meta":{"kind":"string","value":"{\n \"pile_set_name\": \"Ubuntu IRC\"\n}"}}},{"rowIdx":8,"cells":{"text":{"kind":"string","value":"#ubuntu-meeting-2 2015-04-07\n * dsmythies realizes that we changed from standard time to daylight savings time last month, and so the doc team meeting is not for another hour.\n<dsmythies> #startmeeting\n<meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr 7 17:31:12 2015 UTC. The chair is dsmythies. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.\n<meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick\n<dsmythies> #chair dsmythies GunnarHj\n<meetingology> Current chairs: GunnarHj dsmythies\n<dsmythies> Who is here for the doc team meeting?\n<bregma> o/\n<GunnarHj> o/\n<dsmythies> GunnarHJ: I made you a chair person\n<GunnarHj> dsmythies: Saw it. You are fast today. :)\n<dsmythies> we will wait a moment for ian\n<dsmythies> O.K. ian is here. let's start.\n<dsmythies> Just to report on some stuff rraom the last month: We did point releases of the 12.04 and 14.04 serverguides.\n<dsmythies> And Gunnar has been getting 15.04 desktop guide ready for release day.\n<GunnarHj> Except for the translations (due Thursday)\n<dsmythies> Anybody want to comment of any other activites from last month?\n<dsmythies> O.K. moving on...\n<dsmythies> from old actions, Hannie isn't here, so we'll leave that one. Gunnar, care to comment on desktop slidehsow?\n<GunnarHj> Not much to say. It will be done in vivid+.\n<dsmythies> ... just reading the bug report... Oh, ya. O.K.\n<dsmythies> other old actions done, so let's go to new business.\n<dsmythies> Desktop and Unity 8: I know nothing about setting up a new project. Nor do I have the capacity to take on such a project.\n<bregma> I have an interest in contributing (and I cna probably set up a project) but I am not a writer\n<bregma> also, the Unity 8 desktop will be in flux for the next several months\n<bregma> but I would like to see a start on the guide (or equivalent) earlier rather than later\n<GunnarHj> bregma: What does \"in flux\" mean?\n<dsmythies> before we go into a new project, should we access if there is enought interest from people willing to contribute?\n<bregma> I do not believe the final appearance (or event functionality) is fully decided yet\n<GunnarHj> ok.\n<dsmythies> assess instead access\n<GunnarHj> As I mentioned on list, my main concern is the seemingly lack of contributors in the team.\n<dsmythies> Agree.\n<bregma> I think there are some people in Canonical's Desktop team who can be tasked with making some contributions, but none of them are writers\n<bregma> I do believe there is buy-in there, though\n<dsmythies> bregma: Please know that I am not a writer either. I just seem to have stumbled into this roll.\n<bregma> OK\n<GunnarHj> bregma: If you look at the desktop branch, you can see that the number of contributors lately is *very* limited. It's kind of a crisis.\n<bregma> I don't really want to see a new desktop environment rolled out without some sort of guide, so my question is: how can we drum up enough contribution interest from the community?\n<dsmythies> We have fought with that question for years.\n<bregma> indeed\n<GunnarHj> Possibly the fact that it is a new desktop env. will make a difference - but I'm not sure.\n<bregma> the fact that the desktop has been fairly unchanged for several years means there hasn't been a lot for contributors to do\n<bregma> perhaps getting Canonical's community team to help drum up interest through their usual social media stuff would be a good start?\n<GunnarHj> When Unity 7 was new, Jeremy Bicha did an amazing amount of work. But wasn't he a Canonical emploee at the time?\n<dsmythies> O.K. Sounds like a significant project. It will need a champion.\n<dsmythies> bregma: you willing to take the lead?\n<bregma> I am willing to volunteer, but I have no idea about any doc development workflow, so I would need guidance with that\n<dsmythies> We have spent significant time of recent getting our wiki pages up to date.\n<GunnarHj> bregma: We can certainly help with the workflow part. It would be great if you could announce the need on the list as a starter.\n<bregma> sure, sounds good\n<dsmythies> for doc workflow, suggest the you start by learning how to work within the exisiting desktop help enviroment.\n<dsmythies> what is the timeline for this unity 8?\n<bregma> actually, I'm familiar with that, as far as building docs in various formats locally and getting changes in, but the rest is only a vague handwaving thing in my mind\n<GunnarHj> bregma: Is the plan to create a totally separate set of docs for Unity 8?\n<GunnarHj> bregma: Should it be distributed as a package, or only on the web?\n<bregma> I would go for a totally separate doc, yes, since for at least a while you can have either or both installed on your system at the same time\n<bregma> and the timeline for replacing Unity 7 with Unity 8 is not yet clear\n<GunnarHj> Ok, that speaks for basically creating a skeleton branch based on the ubuntu-docs branch.\n<pmatulis> hi guys\n<dsmythies> Oh, so eventually the current dektop help will not continue.\n<bregma> yeah, that was my first thought\n<dsmythies> pmatulis: Hi. we are on Unity 8 stuff.\n<pmatulis> ok, sorry for being late\n<bregma> yes, eventually I expect Unity 7 will not be included in newer versions of Ubuntu, so neither will the docs\n<dsmythies> GunnarHj: Sound like the new stuff will need to be a package.\n<bregma> is that how the Unity 7 docs get installed today, as a package?\n<GunnarHj> bregma: Yes.\n<GunnarHj> bregma: (and on the web)\n<bregma> then separate guides in separate packages is the easiest approach, and something I know how to do\n<GunnarHj> bregma: For Unity 7 we are using Mallard.\n<dsmythies> bregma: can I set action for you to drum up interest and detail some sort of project plan? The timeline is future sometime T.B.D.\n<bregma> dsmythies, yes please, I will take repsonsibility and the timeline will be to target an initial version for release in 15.10\n<dsmythies> #action bregma to stimulate interest in unity 8 dektop help guide.\n<meetingology> ACTION: bregma to stimulate interest in unity 8 dektop help guide.\n<dsmythies> #action bregma to create project plan for unity 8 dektop help guide.\n<meetingology> ACTION: bregma to create project plan for unity 8 dektop help guide.\n<dsmythies> bregma: I think you will find an initial target of 15.10 aggressive.\n<imnichol> bregma, I'm not incredibly knowledgeable about this process, but if you need help with anything I'd be willing to assist.\n<bregma> thanks\n<dsmythies> are we done with unity 8 discussion?\n<GunnarHj> Think so.\n<dsmythies> I will try to have 15.04 preliminary help.ubuntu.com content by early next week. I always like to do preliminaty first, so as to identify surprises, so that release day is smooth.\n * bregma nods\n<GunnarHj> dsmythies: Is \"10.10\" in the agenda a typo?\n<dsmythies> No. 10.10 EOL (Serverguide) is end of April.\n<dsmythies> the plan is to move to it once 15.04 final is done.\n<dsmythies> Oh. I mean 10.04\n<GunnarHj> dsmythies: Thought so. ;)\n<dsmythies> I'll fix agenda later.\n<dsmythies> pmatulis: I mentioned the point releases of serverguide earlier.\n<dsmythies> Anything from serverguide or manual or wiki?\n<GunnarHj> Let's move to the meeting time.\n<dsmythies> pmatulis: Does the change to daylight savings time affect your preferred meeting time?\n<pmatulis> dsmythies: hi\n<pmatulis> dsmythies: in a meeting :) . playing hooky here\n<pmatulis> dsmythies: so if it is 30 min earlier *now* i will be good\n<pmatulis> dsmythies: but yeah, in the winter i would be 1 hour behind\n<pmatulis> dsmythies: so i guess that mean 90 minutes earlier\n<pmatulis> dsmythies: or did i get that backwards? :)\n<dsmythies> O.K. I am confused. so are you saying 17:00 would be bteer for you? or are you saying 16:00 would be better for you? Do others have input?\n<GunnarHj> I'm flexible.\n<dsmythies> I'm flexible.\n<pmatulis> dsmythies: 16:00\n<dsmythies> O.K. that is 8:00 a.m. my time, which is fine.\n<dsmythies> and in winter that would be 7:00 a.m. my time, which is still fine.\n<pmatulis> alright, action me to change the wiki?\n<dsmythies> I believe pleia2 is also on the west coast of North America, and 7 might be a little early for her.\n<dsmythies> O.K. ;ets try it.\n<dsmythies> O.K. lets try it.\n<dsmythies> #action pmatulis: adjust wiki and banner meeting times.\n<meetingology> ACTION: pmatulis: adjust wiki and banner meeting times.\n<dsmythies> O.K. anything else anybody?\n<pleia2> I am west coast, but I struggle to attend these meetings anyway, so please do whatever works for all of you\n<GunnarHj> I don't have anything else. (Already in another IRC meeting.)\n<dsmythies> pleia2: O.K. thanks for chiming in.\n<dsmythies> O.K> I'll end the meeting.\n<dsmythies> #endmeeting\n<meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr 7 18:28:36 2015 UTC.\n<meetingology> Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2015/ubuntu-meeting-2.2015-04-07-17.31.moin.txt\n#ubuntu-meeting-2 2016-04-11\n<mdeslaur> \\o\n<tyhicks> hello\n * sbeattie waves\n<tyhicks> #startmeeting\n<meetingology> Meeting started Mon Apr 11 16:34:11 2016 UTC. The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.\n<meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick\n<tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:\n<tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting\n<tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report\n * tyhicks kicks the bot\n<tyhicks> mdeslaur: you're up\n<mdeslaur> I'm on community this week\n<mdeslaur> I have patch piloting tomorrow\n<mdeslaur> and I'm working on an embargoed issue\n<mdeslaur> that's it, sbeattie, you're up\n<sbeattie> I'm on bug triage this week\n<sbeattie> I'm working on testing glibc updates, trying to figure out what breaks with pt_chown disabled.\n<sbeattie> I've got a kernel USN to write I guess (not sure what the kernel team did there)\n<sbeattie> I've got some apparmor stuff to do (patch review)\n<sbeattie> That's probably it for me this week\n<sbeattie> tyhicks: you're up\n<tyhicks> I'm on cve triage this week\n<tyhicks> apparmor 2.10.95 landed in xenial over night so I'll be watching for any issues there\n<tyhicks> I have some ubuntu-core-launcher MPs to review for jdstrand\n<tyhicks> still have some pending ecryptfs patch reviews\n<tyhicks> would also like to do some triaging/updates for Touch\n<tyhicks> that's it for me\n<tyhicks> sarnold: you're up\n<tyhicks> sorry\n<tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up\n<sarnold> \\o/ apparmor landing\n<jjohansen> I'm still working on apparmor this week\n<tyhicks> you say that like there is an end in sight :)\n<jjohansen> I have an upstream patchset of bug fixes to finish putting together and push up\n<jjohansen> and then it will be back to fixing bugs and issues in the newly landed apparmor 3.5\n<jjohansen> and of course watching for any issues that may surface from 2.10.95 landing\n<jjohansen> thats it for me sarnold you are up\n<sarnold> i'm in the happy place this week\n<sarnold> I'm working on mirs, neutron-vpnaas, aodh, barbican, designate, it's unlikely I'll get them all this week but I might get lucky, aodh is apparenhtly a piece from ceilometer\n<sarnold> and I'd like to test out shiny new apparmor stacking\n<sarnold> that's it for me, chrisccoulson?\n<chrisccoulson> Last week I made quite a bit of progress on automated testing in Oxide (I got all of our existing QML tests also running in single-process, which means we can officially support that now)\n<tyhicks> nice!\n<chrisccoulson> I plan to do more of the same this week - I'm adding some compiled unit-tests for bits of the API (most of our existing tests are more integration tests than unit tests). Then I plan to add a framework for writing unit-tests for internal classes\n<chrisccoulson> I need to also do some feature work (not much of that has happened over the last couple of weeks). I'll probably be experimenting with scrollbars to see how we can support the design requirements for those\n<chrisccoulson> And there's probably going to be a Firefox update\n<chrisccoulson> That's me done\n<tyhicks> thanks\n<tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages\n<tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.\n<tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.\n<tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/python-requests-kerberos.html\n<tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/maildrop.html\n<tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/dcmtk.html\n<tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xml-light.html\n<tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/loganalyzer.html\n<tyhicks> lots of good ones in there this week\n<tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions\n<tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?\n<tyhicks> mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: Thanks!\n<tyhicks> #endmeeting\n<meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Apr 11 16:53:06 2016 UTC.\n<meetingology> Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2016/ubuntu-meeting-2.2016-04-11-16.34.moin.txt\n<jjohansen> thanks tyhicks\n<sarnold> thanks tyhicks!\n<sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks.\n<mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks!\n#ubuntu-meeting-2 2016-04-12\n<mdeslaur> \\o\n<pitti> o/\n * slangasek waves\n<pitti> infinity went to bed very late, I don't expect him to show up\n<slangasek> who's chair today?\n<pitti> chair: infinity, backup: kees\n<slangasek> wiki says infinity with kees as backup\n<pitti> not that we have much of an agenda\n<pitti> this is the last meeting of the old TB\n<mdeslaur> did someone bring cake?\n<slangasek> kees has not made it to TB meetings much lately; probably an action for the board post-election to review the meeting timing\n<slangasek> (regardless of turnover)\n<pitti> infinity owns three dragged-on actions, so they will just be postponed again\n<pitti> and nothing on ML and community bugs, so I guess that's already a \"kthxbye\", unless you have something?\n<mdeslaur> I don't have anything\n<slangasek> nothing except my own carry-over action\n * stgraber waves\n<stgraber> and nothing to bring up either\n<slangasek> so shall we adjourn this meeting that had no chair to call it to order? ;0\n<pitti> +1 :)\n<mdeslaur> +1 bye!\n * pitti tips hat and bows, it's been an honor to serve on the TB\n<slangasek> thanks :)\n<mdeslaur> pitti: thanks! :)\n#ubuntu-meeting-2 2017-04-11\n<kees> o/\n#ubuntu-meeting-2 2018-04-10\n * tsimonq2 waves, albeit a few mins early\n<mdeslaur> \\o\n<kees> o/\n * slangasek waves\n<mdeslaur> hi kees\n<mdeslaur> hi slangasek\n<kees> 3 ... anyone else?\n<slangasek> I understand stgraber is on vacation this week, no idea what that implies for his TB meeting attendance\n<kees> no quorum with 3. whee\n<slangasek> is 3 not quorum?\n<slangasek> I thought we've certainly been treating it as such\n<kees> oh!\n<kees> ok\n<kees> #start-meeting\n<slangasek> no-dash?\n<kees> #startmeeting\n<meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr 10 19:04:35 2018 UTC. The chair is kees. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.\n<meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick\n<kees> ah\n<kees> action review:\n<kees> ACTION: flexiondotorg To follow-up on-list with design review to address MATE Boutique security/consent concerns.\n<slangasek> I haven't seen anything on the list\n<mdeslaur> doesn't look like he did\n<slangasek> and he's currently off irc\n<kees> yeah\n<tsimonq2> Wimpress is his new nick.\n<slangasek> oh\n<slangasek> Wimpress: ^^ ?\n<Wimpress> o/\n<kees> ACTION: tsimonq2 to propose patches to maintenance-check regarding Lubuntu Next (done in https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubuntu-archive-publishing/lubuntu-next-support-cycle-adjustment/+merge/342475\n<kees> oh\n<Wimpress> This is not forgotten.\n<Wimpress> I'll try and get round to this in the next week.\n<mdeslaur> Wimpress: what's with the disguise?\n<tsimonq2> mdeslaur: #blameflocculant\n<Wimpress> Long story.\n<mdeslaur> hehe\n<Wimpress> But that ^\n<Wimpress> We've already dropped a bunch a PPA and repos from Welcome as a start on this.\n<Wimpress> But I will post to the ML with a full proposal soon\n<mdeslaur> ack, thanks\n<kees> cool. deferred\n<slangasek> Wimpress: ok; bearing in mind that the TB's request was not that you drop the support for third-party repos necessarily, but that you disclose to the user what is happening\n<kees> tsimonq2: how about your action?\n<Wimpress> slangasek: Yes, I know. But I felt this was a good time to review what we were listing.\n<tsimonq2> kees: It's done; I'm the one who modified the agenda with the link in there. ;)\n<slangasek> yes, I reviewed and merged the change\n<slangasek> tsimonq2: have you verified that the result is correct in the archive metadata?\n<kees> oh durp\n<tsimonq2> slangasek: No; where can I do that?\n<slangasek> tsimonq2: Packages.gz\n<slangasek> tsimonq2: Supported field\n<kees> ACTION: infinity to call for confirmation of LTS status from all flavours.\n<tsimonq2> One minute then; you're free to move on to other items.\n<kees> no infinity so deferred\n<slangasek> tsimonq2: qlubuntu-default-session still shows as Supported: 3y which I think indicates it didn't have the intended result yet; you and I can iterate\n<kees> ACTION: infinity to ask maas team to prepare SRU exception policy à la CurtinUpdates\n<kees> also deferred\n<kees> agenda items...\n<kees> [slangasek] - Review of the seeded snaps policy\n<slangasek> hello\n<slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSeededSnaps\n<tsimonq2> slangasek: The source package is shared. That's not an accurate representation.\n<slangasek> tsimonq2: afaik supported fields are per-binary, not per-source; anyway, feel free to find one that you know should be 9m and check the result :)\n<slangasek> kees, mdeslaur: I didn't send any follow-up emails, I think the agreement last time was that TB members would review this spec in their own time and we could discuss at this meeting. Did you have a chance to review the spec?\n<mdeslaur> I did review the spec, I have a few questions\n<tsimonq2> slangasek: Ah, so indeed, it didn't set correctly.\n<tsimonq2> #action tsimonq2 to investigate why the Lubuntu Next support time modifications are not set correctly\n<meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2 to investigate why the Lubuntu Next support time modifications are not set correctly\n<tsimonq2> Anyway, sorry, carry on.\n<slangasek> mdeslaur: excellent, I'm happy to make up answers :)\n<mdeslaur> The spec doesn't define who acts as the gatekeeper between core devs and publishing a snap directly to users\n<mdeslaur> like the way it is currently handled\n<slangasek> in the sense of archive review?\n<mdeslaur> yes. In the sense that currently a core dev can't push an update directly to users\n<slangasek> ah; so perhaps more in the sense of SRU\n<mdeslaur> without going through the sru team, etc\n<slangasek> yes; I think the design of the snap store, and the relative isolation of snaps, means we should aim to have less process around this generally,\n<slangasek> because e.g. reverts are a lot easier, and eventually should be drivable with health checks\n<slangasek> etc\n<slangasek> so at this time I wasn't aiming to dictate any gatekeeping around this, or to forklift import the SRU policy\n<kees> i only had one question: how are seeded snaps distinguished from third party snaps? given the higher policy requirements for seeded snaps, end users may only want seeded snaps\n<slangasek> mdeslaur: do you think that's ok for now, or do you think we need gatekeepers initially?\n<mdeslaur> won't there be third party seeded snaps too?\n<mdeslaur> slangasek: I personally think this makes becoming a core-dev or attempting to steal core-dev credentials much more attractive for people with bad intentions\n<slangasek> ok\n<kees> mdeslaur: seeded snap policy says everything has to be in LP (source and builds), so i think no 3rd party?\n<mdeslaur> \"...to be included in an Ubuntu image, a snap should have as its publisher either the upstream...\"\n<slangasek> mdeslaur: in practice, we don't gate uploads to the devel series by core-devs, after initial NEW processing; so it's a difference in window of opportunity (you can upload a hostile snap and have it instantly take effect for stable users, vs. having to upload to devel and wait and see)\n<jbicha> that's interesting for the use case of Firefox where we got mozilla building the snap\n<slangasek> mdeslaur: and in practice the store doesn't give us many layers of gatekeeping against collaborators\n<mdeslaur> slangasek: right, but the devel series is a buffer that (in theory) allows review by others, and damage can be reverted before hitting users\n<slangasek> kees: so in this case you're defining third-party as \"not built on trusted infrastructure\"?\n<kees> i guese, yes. \"snaps installed by default we should ensure that they are built from source in the same trusted Launchpad environment in which debs are built\"\n<slangasek> yes, firefox is an interesting case, and there are different requirements that are in tension. I think we should punt on firefox in the context of this discussion\n<slangasek> (firefox snap is not seeded in 18.04 desktop, AFAIK; we have time)\n<kees> the policy (source can't disappear, built on LP) is a higher bar, so making those discoverbale seems like it'd have value to end users\n<kees> beyond that, i like the policy\n<slangasek> kees: anyway, to your question of distinguishing them, the intent is that this be surfaced as metadata in the snap store, which the store could expose to the end user over the snapd api\n<kees> perfect\n<jbicha> (yes, AFAIK firefox snap isn't proposed for inclusion in Ubuntu by default yet)\n<slangasek> I'm working with the store team on the implementation details, but yes, it's important that this be auditable and not taken on faith that a given snap is done correctly :)\n<kees> mdeslaur: are your questions/concerns addressed?\n<mdeslaur> I like the policy as it applies to snaps built in launchpad from known sources, and security support has been commited to\n<mdeslaur> I don't know how third party or upstream snaps fit into that\n<slangasek> mdeslaur: per current policy, a \"third party\" or \"upstream\" snap is fine but they still need to build the binary on LP to comply with this policy\n<mdeslaur> how the mechanism for taking control of that snap if adequate security isn't being provided?\n<mdeslaur> s/how/what's/\n<jbicha> (and the third party needs to be in a LP team approved by the DMB)\n<mdeslaur> Let's say we allow an upstream snap, built on launchpad in bionic, and upstream decides to no longer build security updates for the bionic snap once the next LTS rolls out, for example\n<slangasek> mdeslaur: today, we would try to talk to the publisher first, or the store team as necessary, to get collaborator access and publish our updates to the stable/ubuntu-XX.YY channels\n<slangasek> jbicha: that's an interesting point; I don't think it follows from the current policy as written\n<kees> slangasek, mdeslaur: sounds like security support policy needs to get fleshed out more? should that continue in email?\n<jbicha> slangasek: oh\n<slangasek> note that the snap store doesn't actually use launchpad teams; publishers / collaborators are implemented only store side and are defined in terms of assertions and keys\n<slangasek> so we can't actually enforce that every collaborator on a third-party snap is part of a DMB-approved LP team\n<kees> [action] slangasek and mdeslaur to more clearly define third party seeded snap security policy\n<meetingology> ACTION: slangasek and mdeslaur to more clearly define third party seeded snap security policy\n<kees> how's that look?\n<slangasek> if that is the action from mdeslaur's POV, sure :)\n<mdeslaur> It may be easier to get this accepted in two steps: 1- community-maintained, launchpad-built snaps, and then 2- thirty party snaps\n<kees> 20 minutes left, so let's move on for now...\n<kees> [tsimonq2] - The rationale for snapd being in the platform seed when flavors weren't polled first.\n<mdeslaur> ok\n<tsimonq2> Hi.\n<tsimonq2> I am wondering, out of curiosity, why snapd was added to the desktop-common seed without flavors being consulted: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.bionic/revision/2056\n<tsimonq2> I oppose to shipping snapd in Lubuntu by default due to some serious usability concerns that I have raised with the Snapcraft team, as well as bug 1730159 among other things.\n<tsimonq2> This isn't an issue right now, because Lubuntu doesn't pull in recommends and I've manually blacklisted it just in case, but it becomes an issue when we turn off no-follow-recommends at the beginning of next cycle.\n<tsimonq2> I would like to request the removal of snapd from desktop-common, even as recommended, because Lubuntu does not want to ship this as part of our default install, unless of course it's mandated by the Technical Board. I would also like to know why this decision was made without asking flavors, unless I am missing some historical context or something else here.\n<tsimonq2> Thanks.\n<slangasek> right\n<slangasek> so, I have certainly defended the principle recently that the desktop-common seed in particular should be subject to consensus among the desktop flavors, and should not be used to force things into the common platform over objections ;)\n<tsimonq2> You have. :)\n<slangasek> you will however note that I am the committer of that revision and are right to call out the disconnect\n<slangasek> so here's my position\n<slangasek> the fact that it's in the desktop-common seed is actually an implementation detail\n<slangasek> from the perspective of Canonical, and the Foundations Team, snapd is now part of the standard Ubuntu experience\n<slangasek> anyone who installs Ubuntu, in any of its forms, should be able to 'snap install' the same way they're able to 'apt install'\n<slangasek> in practice it's separately seeded in desktop-common and in server, but the intent is that it's part of the common platform experience\n<slangasek> this is subject to TB review, of course\n<tsimonq2> Right, and this is me bringing it to TB review. :)\n<kees> seems like snapd should be part of the per-flavor *-desktop ?\n<slangasek> but that at least gives the rationale for not consulting flavors - it was a platform-level decision\n<kees> or *-minimal, or something?\n<tsimonq2> And the \"standard Ubuntu experience\" is defined by Canonical, not by the Ubuntu Technical Board or another similar body? Or does this come from sabdfl?\n<slangasek> depending on the result of TB review, we can move it to a more appropriate seed(s) for clarity\n<slangasek> tsimonq2: the TB doesn't often get asked to sign off on platform changes up front\n<slangasek> I don't think the upstart->systemd move was TB-ratified, to give one example\n<tsimonq2> kees: I agree with you.\n<slangasek> but the TB is certainly the right forum for appeal\n<kees> seems like even this doesn't need to come to TB. snap availability should be a flavor-specific option, yes?\n<kees> slangasek: by \"standard Ubuntu experience\" do you mean \"all ubuntu flavors\"?\n<tsimonq2> kees: Correct, but we weren't given the choice.\n<slangasek> kees: yes\n<kees> aaah\n<kees> hm\n<mdeslaur> just like all flavours use the standard kernel, and repos, etc.\n<kees> right\n<kees> okay, I misparsed the \"standard Ubuntu\" to mean \"Ubuntu-the-flavor\"\n<tsimonq2> But, \"standard Ubuntu experience\" is Canonical-defined? Is that at least public?\n<kees> You really mean \"universal Ubuntu experience\"\n<mdeslaur> I think it would be a disservice to users to have a specific flavour be missing some software installation sources\n<slangasek> kees: yes, sorry\n<tsimonq2> mdeslaur: Even if it's one command away to install and it's not being used by default, at all?\n<tsimonq2> Er, s/used/utilized/.\n<kees> tsimonq2: if bug 1730159 was solved, how would you feel about Lubuntu with snapd installed?\n<tsimonq2> kees: Much more inclined.\n<tsimonq2> But I would still take an additional look.\n<mdeslaur> tsimonq2: having a webpage instruct a user to do a \"snap install\" but then have a special section how to do it on a specific flavour would be a disservice to users\n<kees> okay, then I see two issues here: the *specific* case of snapd in Lubuntu (seemingly solved with bug 1730159 getting fixed), and the desire to have a policy on things getting added to all flavors without notification of the flavors.\n<mdeslaur> tsimonq2: but if you have technical objections that can be fixed, then I'm sure they could be addressed\n<tsimonq2> mdeslaur: I see.\n<tsimonq2> kees: Bingo.\n<kees> slangasek: you've already commented on that bug; how feasible would it be to solve this before 18.10?\n<kees> tsimonq2, mdeslaur: it sounds like that for 18.04, Lubuntu will need that extra instruction, since it _isn't_ installed there currently.\n<slangasek> tsimonq2: so, \"does this come from sabdfl\" - Canonical is his company, the company has put a lot of money into developing the snap store and experience, and therefore you can expect the barrier for overturning such a platform decision to be somewhat high (even to the point that yes, sabdfl might directly put his thumb on the scale). As mdeslaur says, Canonical's interest here would instead be\n<slangasek> to focus on improving snapd so that it met the needs of our flavors\n<tsimonq2> kees: Does the TB expect me to put snapd back?\n<tsimonq2> I can, if needed.\n<kees> tsimonq2: I don't know; that's why I'm bringing that up -- as things stand, it's not installed. but it's a Recommend and Lubuntu doesn't install Recommends by default, so ... everything is working as expected right now\n<slangasek> kees: I would say that LP: #1730159 should even be solved in 18.04 (though perhaps not before GA)\n<kees> the statements made about it seem to aim at 18.10 when those defaults will change for lubuntu\n<tsimonq2> slangasek: OK. I am not saying that I don't like snapd and I don't want to ship it, I'm saying that I see shortcomings to doing that before some problems are solved.\n<kees> okay, almost out of time.\n<kees> should we keep an action about flavor-wide default package notifications?\n<tsimonq2> I think so.\n<slangasek> perhaps you want to scope that to \"daemons\"\n<tsimonq2> kees: installed by default> ack\n<slangasek> since that's really the only thing that makes snapd problematic, compared to all the other changes Foundations makes unsupervised\n<kees> that seems reasonable to me.\n<mdeslaur> I think that's reasonable also\n<tsimonq2> I can remove snapd from the Lubuntu blacklist, but if Canonical wants snapd, they can raise it to a Depends. :)\n<kees> tsimonq2: are you will to write up the language for such a policy? then we can review it on email and take it to the next meeting?\n<tsimonq2> Absolutely.\n<kees> [action] tsimonq2 to email proposed policy for flavor-notification of daemons being added to all flavors (e.g. snapd into desktop-common)\n<meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2 to email proposed policy for flavor-notification of daemons being added to all flavors (e.g. snapd into desktop-common)\n<kees> okay, that's time! :)\n<kees> #endmeeting\n<tsimonq2> o/\n<meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr 10 20:01:06 2018 UTC.\n<meetingology> Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2018/ubuntu-meeting-2.2018-04-10-19.04.moin.txt\n<slangasek> hah\n<slangasek> thanks, all :)\n<kees> thanks!\n<mdeslaur> thanks everyone!\n<tsimonq2> Thanks! (now that my connection is better)\n"},"meta":{"kind":"string","value":"{\n \"pile_set_name\": \"Ubuntu IRC\"\n}"}}},{"rowIdx":9,"cells":{"text":{"kind":"string","value":"#ubuntu-tablet 2012-10-22\n<mhall119> I wasn't before\n#ubuntu-tablet 2013-10-22\n<mar77i> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install ... I have no idea what I'm doing :(\n"},"meta":{"kind":"string","value":"{\n \"pile_set_name\": \"Ubuntu IRC\"\n}"}}},{"rowIdx":10,"cells":{"text":{"kind":"string","value":"#ubuntu-africa 2016-01-11\n<Kilos> helloooo africa\n<Na3iL> Hey Kilos\n<elacheche> Kilos, hello! Check membership ML :)\n<Kilos> i saw it elacheche\n<elacheche> :)\n<Kilos> will be interesting to see what comes up\n<Kilos> have you noticed our time is the favourite time for applications\n<Kilos> poor popeye\n<elacheche> yep :D x)\n<Elon_MuSk> Sup\n<Na3iL> Hey Elon_MuSk\n<Elon_MuSk> Where be Kilos @?\n<Na3iL> I don't know exactly when, but he's always here\n<Elon_MuSk> Ok it's late in SA, so the old guy is probably sleepin\n<Na3iL> Yep probably\n<Na3iL> Otherwise, if you are asking Kilos for help, I think I can help as much as I know what you talking about :)\n<Elon_MuSk> Haha, sure. If I were a noob ;)\n<Elon_MuSk> Haven't seen the guy in a while\n<Elon_MuSk> But great to see Ubuntu spreading in africa though.\n<Na3iL> Yep, especially the Ubuntu philosophy.\n<Elon_MuSk> Keep up the good work. I'm off.\n#ubuntu-africa 2016-01-12\n<elacheche> Morning!\n<elacheche> Morning!\n<Kilos> helloooo africa and elacheche\n<elacheche> Hey Kilos :)\n<elacheche> Kilos, you don't have comments/ideas about that mail :p\n<Kilos> not sure what other perks they could find\n<Kilos> but your one is an expensive one\n<Kilos> good one though. only can be rather expensive\n<elacheche> I don't think it's that expensive, if we compare it to Gandi one :)\n<Kilos> i know nothing of that\n<Kilos> but its good to get many ideas together and then talk to cc\n<Kilos> or even involve them from the beginning\n<elacheche> That's what I'm looking for.. Ideas..\n<elacheche> the idea of Aoron is great too, but expensive as well :D\n<Kilos> every thing is nowadays\n<elacheche> I'm not looking for discussions about if it's possible or no\n<elacheche> t\n<elacheche> I'm looking for IDEAS, then we can filter them and send them to CC.. and we try to figure out if it's possible to get them or not\n<Kilos> i would have liked an ubuntu phone as a perk\n<Kilos> but work out the cost if every new member gets one\n<elacheche> If we ignore any idea from the begenning will never knew if we can get it or not.. We need to ask for it first :)\n<Kilos> and then the gripes from existing members\n<Kilos> yes, dont be afraid to ask\n<Kilos> they can only say no at worst\n<elacheche> Exactly :) And will lose nothing by getting a NO.. :D But maybe will win by getting a YES :)\n<Kilos> yeah\n<Kilos> haha\n<elacheche> I know that am trying to be always honest.. I thought about the LFC because I like having it.. But it's too expensive for me (1$ = 2 TND).. The worst is we are forced to a quota of 500$/year..\n<elacheche> I know that am not the only one out there with the same issue.. There is many Africans & Arabs with the same issue..\n<elacheche> But any perk will be OK, we need just to have a list before our next meeting with CC :)\n<Kilos> there are peeps all over the world struggling\n<Kilos> i read yesterday the are 45 million americans on food stamps\n<elacheche> :/\n<Kilos> and things are just going to keep getting worse\n<Kilos> here especially\n<Kilos> our Rand has fallen dramatically in the last few months\n<Kilos> and years\n<Kilos> when i was young 1Rand was 63 US cents\n<Kilos> yesterday it hit 18 rand to 1 dollar\n<Kilos> nono i have it wrong\n<Kilos> 63 of our cents was 1 dollar back in the day\n<elacheche> :o\n<Na3iL> Hello Africa\n#ubuntu-africa 2016-01-13\n<Kilos> hellooo africa\n#ubuntu-africa 2016-01-14\n * QA wbb\n#ubuntu-africa 2016-01-15\n<Kilos> helloooo africa\n<craigzim> Morning Kilos\n<Kilos> whats happening to our channel?\n<Kilos> all the arabs gone on strike\n<craigzim> its been dead for a few days\n<Kilos> whew thats sad\n<Kilos> whole of north africa missing\n<Kilos> they wont listen when i say you cant live on dates and camel milk\n<craigzim> maybe their fiber down\n<craigzim> i check\n<Kilos> hi philipballew\n<Kilos> our channel is shrinking\n<Kilos> maybe i upset someone\n<Kilos> i apologise if i did\n<philipballew> Kilos, hey man\n<philipballew> Kilos, I will never leave!\n<Kilos> yay\n<craigzim> someone got to stay to turn off the lights\n<Kilos> hahaha\n#ubuntu-africa 2016-01-16\n<Kilos> hellooooo africa\n<craigbrash> morning Kilos\n<Kilos> hi elacheche\n<elacheche> Hey Kilos\n#ubuntu-africa 2016-01-17\n<Kilos> hellooooo africa\n<Kilos> wow not even one greeting today\n<Kilos> bunch of slackers\n<Na3iL> hey Kilos :D\n<Kilos> hi Na3iL\n<Na3iL> Hows things there?\n<Kilos> some how we need to try revive all these old people here\n<Kilos> im good ty and you?\n<Na3iL> I am good too thanks\n<Kilos> nearly all of tunisia is missing\n<Kilos> all the cheche peeps on leave\n<Na3iL> Yep, I think they are working hard\n<Kilos> no excuse\n<Kilos> a quick greeting wastes no time at all\n<Kilos> ill rev them when i see them again\n<Na3iL> Indeed\n<Na3iL> I will help you on that :P\n<Kilos> ty\n<Kilos> i need help at times\n<Kilos> :D\n<Na3iL> BTW, any future meetings on the road?\n<Kilos> yes see the topic bar\n<Kilos> 27th\n<Kilos> we dont even have an agenda yet\n<Na3iL> Oh! 10 days remaining, cool\n<Na3iL> let me guess, the bot QA is able to handle meetings?\n<Kilos> yes of course\n<Kilos> written in python especially for irc meetings\n<Kilos> does minutes and everything\n<Kilos> you can find it in the repos. called ibid\n<Kilos> QA coffee on\n * QA puts the kettle on\n<Kilos> QA coffee time\n<QA> Anytime is coffee time man\n<Kilos> how did the studies and exams go Na3iL\n<Na3iL> That's wonderfull Kilos :D\n<Na3iL> I have passed the exams, I think I did well :D\n<Kilos> well done lad\n<Kilos> :D\n<craigbrash> I have to make my own\n<craigbrash> teA\n<craigbrash> tea\n<Kilos> QA tea please\n<QA> Kilos: What?\n<Kilos> stupid bot\n<Na3iL> haha you need to teach her how she can make tea\n<craigbrash> now now the bot can't be stupid.\n<craigbrash> its the stupid human programmer\n<QA> Coffee's ready for Kilos!\n<Kilos> QA tea please is <reply> Bring your cup with tea bag already in and you can share the boiling water $who\n<QA> Kilos: One learns a new thing every day\n<Kilos> QA tea please\n<QA> Bring your cup with tea bag already in and you can share the boiling water Kilos\n<Kilos> QA ty\n<QA> Only a pleasure Kilos\n<Na3iL> hahaha :D\n<Private_User> hmm... now I feel for a cup of coffee, not really much of a tea drinker, think I will go make me some real coffee\n<Private_User> brb\n<Private_User> oh an hello everybody\n<Private_User> ok chat in a bit\n<Private_User> brb\n<Kilos> hi Private_User\n<craigbrash> hello\n<Private_User> back\n<Private_User> hi Kilos, hello craigbrash\n<craigbrash> Hi Kilos , Private_User\n<Private_User> QA: I am enjoying a real mug of coffee\n<QA> Private_User: Excuse me?\n<Private_User> exactly you only know the virtual kind\n<Private_User> LOL\n<Private_User> hahaha\n<Kilos> hi craigbrash\n<Kilos> wb elacheche Benno-007\n<Kilos> meeting here in 10 days time hey\n<Kilos> adjust schedules to match\n<elacheche> k Kilos\n#ubuntu-africa 2017-01-09\n<Kilos> hellooooo africa\n#ubuntu-africa 2017-01-10\n<Kilos> hellooooo africa\n#ubuntu-africa 2017-01-13\n<bilel> hi everyone ! 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EL IS IN #FREENODE FOR ANY QUESTIONS egrdpgq: K_K_N superfly elacheche âââââââââââââââ\n<wssuperviso> âââââââââââââââââââ ##FEMINISM IS OFFERING TRAINING IN TAPPING INTO YOUR INNER FETISHES!! EL IS IN #FREENODE FOR ANY QUESTIONS napeggudje: inetpro chesedo pavlushka ââââââââââââ\u0001\n<wssuperviso> ââââââââââââââââââââ ##FEMINISM IS OFFERING TRAINING IN TAPPING INTO YOUR INNER FETISHES!! EL IS IN #FREENODE FOR ANY QUESTIONS tzcjrzq: elacheche alphad_ WaVeR âââââââââââââ\u0001\n#ubuntu-africa 2019-01-08\n<qwebirc87801> Hello, greetings from Ibadan, Nigeria. Am a lonely Ubuntu user.\n<qwebirc84030> I would like to join you.\n"},"meta":{"kind":"string","value":"{\n \"pile_set_name\": \"Ubuntu IRC\"\n}"}}},{"rowIdx":11,"cells":{"text":{"kind":"string","value":"#ubuntu-it 2011-05-23\n<OverMe> oh hi\n<Odo> Giorno\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<feynman> ola!!! ragazzi dovrei agire su un computer che sono riuscito a farlo partire solo con la shell di terminale... avrei dei dati da salvare... vorrei trasferirli su hd rimovibile sapreste dirmi come fare a montarlo da teminale e a trasferire i file che mi servono sul medesimo???\n<OverMe> feynman, mount /dev/partizione /cartella/di/montaggio\n<feynman> come faccio a sapere la dev esatta dell'hd OverMe???\n<OverMe> feynman, sudo fdisk -l\n<feynman> OverMe c'è un problema ho provato a montarlo su /media\n<feynman> ,a niente\n<feynman> ,a ---> ma\n<OverMe> ma niente cosa vuol dire?\n<feynman> che non riesco a vedere il disco rigido\n<OverMe> sei andato in /media a vedere cosa c'è?\n<feynman> si\n<feynman> ma non c'era\n<OverMe> il comando mount ti ha detto qualcosa?\n<feynman> adesso ci sono riuscito\n<guiGuy> salve a tutti, sto lavorando con un collega ad un progetto e ci servirebbe un programma che ci consenta di condividere schermo e documenti, ne conoscete qualcuno?\n<enzotib> guiGuy: vnc?\n<guiGuy> enzotib, non devo prendere il controllo del suo computer, solo condividere dei file, avere in comune una lavagna e nel caso servisse condividere lo schermo...\n<enzotib> guiGuy: eh, tu come prima cosa hai detto \"condividere lo schermo\"\n<guiGuy> enzotib, scusami sono stato poco chiaro :(\n<carlo74> overme ringrazio per l'aiuto di alcuni giorni fa\n<carlo74> Vorrei installare la versione di firefox 3.6 come faccio?ora ho la 4 ma il sap non ci va d'accordo\n<DareDevil> oh bongiorno\n<Cyber_forences> ok grazie\n<Cyber_forences> ciao a titti voi\n<Peace-> e ciao..\n<Cyber_forences> sonoun utent nuovo poso chiderti un'info?\n<Peace-> Cyber_forences: che c'è\n<Peace-> io vado a mangiare tra un minuto\n<Peace-> anzi ora\n<Cyber_forences> come devo fare per rgistrare il mio nick ?\n<Federico> ciao! (si parla italiano qui?)\n<Cyber_forences> ciao federico si\n<Gigific> sono sempre io Federico :)\n<Gigific> posso chiedervi una mano? Ho ubuntu 11.04, adesso mi sono loggato come \"ubuntu classico\" ma non riesco ad attivare gli effetti visivi\n<Gigific> in sistema>preferenze>aspetto manca proprio il tab\n<Cyber_forences> mi dispiace federico io non posso aiutarti per il momento perchè sono un principiante\n<Gigific> oh capisco.. ma tu hai la mia stessa versione di ubuntu?\n<Cyber_forences> no sto usando xubuntu 10.10\n<jester-> Gigific: li attivi alla finestra di login\n<Gigific> cioè? quando entro cosa devo scegliere?\n<jester-> Gigific: dopo aver messo user e pass compare una barra sotto, clicchi su ubuntu e camb i\n<Gigific> si esatto, ho provato sia con \"ubuntu\" e mi appare l'interfaccia unity, sia con \"ubuntu classico\" dove appare l'interfaccia tradizionale delle versioni precedenti\n<Gigific> ma in entrambi i casi non ho alcun effetto visivo\n<jester-> Gigific: glxinfo | grep rendering cosa risponde\n<Gigific> \"il programma glxinfo non è attualmente installato, è possibile installarlo facendo sudo apt-get...\n<jester-> fallo\n<Gigific> ok\n<Cyber_forences> ciao a tutti voi vado a pranzare grazie alla prossima\n<Gigific> ok, ho ripetuto il comando e ora mi dice direct rendering: yes (con rendering in rosso)\n<enzotib> jester-: dagli il comando alla mod\n<enzotib> moda*\n<Gigific> non ho capito :S\n<jester-> Gigific: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p metti la risposta nel pastebin\n<jester-> !paste | Gigific\n<ubot-it> Gigific: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Gigific> http://paste.ubuntu.com/611763/\n<jester-> Gigific: che scheda grafica hai\n<Gigific> ati 5650, è su un portatile sony vaio\n<jester-> Gigific: in teoria gli effetti dovrebbero andare\n<Gigific> ma quello che mi pare strano è che non ho proprio le voci per attivarli, non è che mi posso selezionarli e poi mi dice \"gli effetti non sono supportati dal tuo pc\", proprio non ho le opzioni\n<jester-> Gigific: alla pagina di login unbuntu classico è con gli effetti\n<Gigific> si\n<jester-> non c'è piu il tab in cambia sfondo\n<jester-> Gigific: unity funza?\n<Gigific> sistema>preferenze>aspetto ha solo 3 tab: tema, sfondo e tipi di carattere\n<Gigific> unity va, ma sempre senza effetti\n<enzotib> Gigific: la scheda degli Effetti Visivi non esiste più, si fa dal login, Ubuntu e Ubuntu classico sono con effetti\n<jester-> Gigific: unity non ha effetti, fa per i cazzi suoi\n<enzotib> Gigific: unity è *con* effetti di default, altrimenti non parte proprio\n<jester-> Gigific: è un plugin di compiz\n<jester-> Gigific: quindi se unity parte in classic vanno anche gli effetti\n<Gigific> capisco, ma quindi le finestre che si deformano quando le sposti non ci sono più?\n<jester-> in unity no\n<Gigific> e nel classico? Perché non le ho nemmeno lì.. :S\n<jester-> o l'uovo o la gallina\n<jester-> !ccsm | Gigific\n<ubot-it> Gigific: Per abilitare effetti visivi aggiuntivi personalizzabili in Ubuntu: installa 'compizconfig-settings-manager' o 'simple-ccsm'. Dopo l'installazione apparirà la relativa icona in Sistema Preferenze - Vedi anche !compiz - Aiuto in #compiz-fusion\n<enzotib> Gigific: da lì puoi impostare effetti tremolanti, anche se va in conflitto con un altro effetto che dovrai disabilitare\n<Gigific> capisco.. \"compizconfig-settings-manager\" mi da \"comando non trovato\"\n<OverMe> lo devi installare prima\n<jester-> Gigific: leggi cosa ti ha scritto il bot riga per riga\n<jester-> sembra che lo sprot preferito del canale sia andare a capocchia\n<enzotib> o ad capocchiam, come diceva Plinio il vecchio\n<Gigific> ti ringrazio per la pazienza, scusa ma non sono molto pratico con linux :)\n<jester-> Gigific: per leggere mica serve essere partici di linux\n<jester-> pratici*\n<glpiana> ola\n<airgnox> ciao !\n<Peace-> glpiana: eh ma non vale anche qui\n<Peace-> cosi dopo chiudo konvesation\n<glpiana> !chat | Peace-\n<ubot-it> Peace-: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<glpiana> Peace-, sei in supporto. per cortesia passa in chat\n<massimo18> Buon Giorno\n<D4V|DE> glpiana, ci sei?\n<D4V|DE> un gestore grafico di iptables per kde?\n<massimo18> !guarddog\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'guarddog'\n<massimo18> !info guarddog\n<ubot-it> Package guarddog does not exist in natty\n<massimo18> uhmm\n<D4V|DE> massimo18, non lo trovo sui repo\n<massimo18> infatti\n<D4V|DE> mi serve per aprire le porte 4664 e 4672 per amule\n<D4V|DE> qualche idea?\n<massimo18> D4V|DE: hai provato dalla pagina di configurazione del router?\n<D4V|DE> sn già aperte\n<massimo18> D4V|DE: quindi?\n<D4V|DE> anzi no\n<massimo18> -.-\n<nicotano> salve\n<krikri> register krikri\n<krikri> register krikri benkri@alice.it\n<nicotano> krikri, per registrarsi\n<massimo18> !register\n<ubot-it> Per sapere come registrarti e in generale come comportarti in canale, leggi http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoIrc/LineeGuida\n<nicotano> krikri, \"per registrarsi /msg nickserv register password-scelta indirizzo-email\"\n<Steeler> krikri, fai /ns register password mail\n<Steeler> krikri, esempio /ns register pippo pippo@usa.net\n<Steeler> forse le forme abbreviate su freenode non funzionano\n<glpiana> D4V|DE, we, dimmi\n<D4V|DE> glpiana, ho risolto tutto!!\n<D4V|DE> ieri\n<D4V|DE> volevo ripristinare xorg.conf come da default accollandomi la triste 1024x678\n<Angelo> ciao a tutti\n<Angelo> madò mi capitano di quelle frasi da scrivere per il login da non dormirci la notte\n<glpiana> D4V|DE, e?\n<D4V|DE> e ho lanciato dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org e mi ha generato un nuovo xorg.conf con i driver proprietario attivati openGL funzionante tutti gli effetti del desktop funzionanti con la risoluzione che volevo 1280x1024\n<Angelo> ciao glpiana\n<glpiana> Angelo, di che stai parlando?\n<glpiana> D4V|DE, bene\n<Angelo> la frase da comporre per il login :-)\n<D4V|DE> non so come sia stato possibile ma adesso funziona tutto come volevo :D\n<glpiana> Angelo, ma che frase?\n<glpiana> D4V|DE, probabile che ci fosse il file xorg.conf che faceva a pugni durante la configurazione. buon a sapersi\n<D4V|DE> x una prossima volta (spero mai) dovrei inserire quei dati x far riconoscere il mio monitor olidata e poi lanciare un reconfigure\n<Angelo> nell' ultima rigra dopo il canale devi inserire una frase la devi copiare\n<glpiana> Angelo, ma di che login stai parlando?\n<D4V|DE> ah e poi avevo attivato i repo \"proposed\" e scaricato alcuni aggiornamenti xorg ecc ecc.. non so se c'entravano qualcosa\n<Angelo> per entrare in chat\n<glpiana> Angelo, ok, ma che 'entra con il supporto a ubutnu?\n<glpiana> *ubuntu\n<Angelo> si si\n<glpiana> *c'entra\n<D4V|DE> appena ha cominciato a funzionare tutto ho notato una riduzione dei caratteri che ci voleva la lente di ingrandimento.. ma ho risolto modificando i caratteri a 96DPI\n<D4V|DE> e ora spero di non dover toccare mai più nulla di come è configurato adesso\n<D4V|DE> :°°°D\n<glpiana> D4V|DE, legati le mani dietro la schiena e vedi che non fai danni\n<D4V|DE> già :D\n<krikri> buonpomeriggio a tutti\n<Angelo> sai tipo \"the codiarne \" oppure\" prepared shaverne \" che ti chiedi alle volte se esistono :-9\n<glpiana> Angelo, che cosa c'entra con l'argomento di questo canale?\n<glpiana> !chat | Angelo\n<ubot-it> Angelo: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Angelo> poco anzi niente era per sorridere un attimo\n<Angelo> chiedo venia\n<glpiana> Angelo, ok, c'è il canale apposta per le facezie ;)\n<Angelo> ok posso chiederti una cosa tiguardo all'installazione di un tar.gz\n<Angelo> riguardo\n<nicotano> Angelo, tar.gz decomprimi e leggi read-me\n<glpiana> Angelo, tar.gz è un archivio e non si installa. al massimo contiene qualcosa da installare\n<Angelo> si giusto ma dando il comando ad esempio sudo tar -xjvf mdk3***tar.bz2 (dove *** è lâultima relase disponibile)\n<Angelo> xjvf si usa per i tar.gz2\n<glpiana> Angelo, già il sudo non serve se non a far danni ai permessi\n<glpiana> per i tar.gx usa xfvz\n<Angelo> ok ma lo devo usare in ubuntu..\n<glpiana> Angelo, ste frasi campate in aria che significano?\n<glpiana> tar.gz volevo dire\n<Angelo> no e che ieri seguendo una guida per installare una gui mi sono incasinato\n<glpiana> Angelo, allora, di cosa stiamo parlando?\n<Angelo> il tar.gz normale non il 2 non utilizza lo stesso comando giusto?\n<Angelo> cambia la prima lettera in z\n<glpiana> gz2 non esiste, è bz2 ed è bzippato\n<Angelo> t ricordo bene?\n<Angelo> si si scusa\n<glpiana> Angelo, tar.gz e tar.bz2 sono\n<nicotano> Angelo, clic dx estrai\n<krikri> ciao nicotano\n<nicotano> ciao krikri\n<cicciocele> ciao a tutti\n<cicciocele> c'è qualcuno disposto ad aiutarmi a settare internet su ubuntu è la prima volta che ho installato questo sistema\n<glpiana> cicciocele, lan o wifi?\n<cicciocele> wifi\n<glpiana> cicciocele, sei collegato via lan col pc in questione ora?\n<Angelo> si nicotano su quello ci sono stavo solo controllando se nella guida c'è un errore che poi di mio mi sono accorto che ne ho fatto un altro mi ero dimenticato un punto maledetto\n<cicciocele> ho seguito le varie guide ma non ho ancora trovato la soluzione...ho capito che il sistema riconosce la scheda\n<glpiana> Angelo, ma si può sapere che cosa stai installando?\n<krikri> nicotano quando mi riconnetterò con xchat per riavere il mio nick come devo fare?\n<glpiana> cicciocele, io ti seguo volentieri se rispondi alle domande. se vai per i pifferi tuoi ci rinuncio da subito\n<Angelo> ti passo il link in pvt? cosi gli dai un occhiata?\n<glpiana> Angelo, ma si può sapere che cosa stai installando?\n<nicotano> krikri, menu xchat > lista reti\n<cicciocele> no sono collegato a questa chat con un desktop via windows(un altro pc)\n<glpiana> cicciocele, non in query privata per favore.\n<Angelo> wep crack gui\n<glpiana> cicciocele, non hai la possibilità di collegare via cavo il pc in questione?\n<cicciocele> si potrei\n<glpiana> Angelo, non riceverai supporto su questo canale\n<krikri> si lista reti ubuntu-it\n<glpiana> cicciocele, fallo allora :)\n<nicotano> krikri, ubuntu servers modifica\n<cicciocele> ok ho inserito il cavo lan\n<Angelo> no è per uso privato per il mio link eh ci tengo a precisarlo\n<glpiana> cicciocele, http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-it vai qui ed entra nel canale da quel pc\n<Angelo> io lo sai dove vivo mi passo la linea con un link fatto dalla soffitta di mio suocero\n<glpiana> Angelo, sì, ma è lo stesso\n<nicotano> krikri, e aggiungi i canali dove vuoi entrare , per il nick devi registrarti\n<massimo18> Angelo: dicono tutti così :)\n<cicciocele> glpiana, non si collega ad internet\n<Angelo> l'adsl non arriva e ni sono fatto un bridge con due route della osbridge\n<krikri> il problema è come registrarsi\n<jester-> cicciocele: attacca il cavo che si collega\n<Angelo> mi pago fast web ...\n<glpiana> !chat | Angelo\n<ubot-it> Angelo: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Angelo> lavoro..\n<cicciocele> mi dice server no found\n<glpiana> cicciocele, facendo cosa?\n<Angelo> ok allora come posso monitorare da ubuntu il mio promo router per vedere se si intrufola qualcuno nel mio nodo senza dovermi sconnettere?\n<cicciocele> sono in firefox ..ho collegato il cavo lan e dopo aver inserito il tuo link mi dice waiting.....e non va avanti\n<Angelo> primo\n<glpiana> Angelo, guarda se lampeggia la spia del wifi e chiudiamo l'off topic per favore\n<glpiana> !chat | Angelo e due\n<ubot-it> Angelo e due: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<glpiana> cicciocele, guarda dove hai infilato il cavo se le lucine lampeggiano e controlla se sulla barra l'icona di rete ti dice che sei connesso\n<cicciocele> glpiana, si la luce è verde e l'icona di ubuntu mi da le due freccine ....credo sia connesso\n<glpiana> cicciocele, apri un terminale\n<glpiana> cicciocele, scrivi: ping -c3 www.google.it\n<glpiana> dimmi se pinga\n<cicciocele> credo di si....\n<glpiana> cicciocele, firefox era già aperto quando hai attaccato il cavo?\n<cicciocele> si\n<glpiana> cicciocele, magari è uin palla. chiudilo e poi riaprilo e riprova\n<glpiana> *in\n<Angelo> da terminale si può monitorare la banda?\n<jester-> cicciocele: controlla nel menu file che non sia spuntato lavora offline\n<glpiana> Angelo, come te lo spiego che non diamo supporto per ste cose?\n<cicciocele> ma la lan si deve chiamare Auto eth0 ??\n<glpiana> cicciocele, si chiama così quella di default\n<glpiana> cicciocele, adesso va o no?\n<cicciocele> scusami ho cliccato su auto eth0 e si disconnesso adesso si sta riconnettendo\n<glpiana> cicciocele, oki, poi apri firefox e prova a collegarti\n<krikri> ragazzi potete seguirmi vorrei registrarmi per poter avere il mio nick\n<glpiana> !registrazione | krikri\n<ubot-it> krikri: Per sapere come registrarti e in generale come comportarti in canale, leggi http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoIrc/LineeGuida\n<massimo18> krikri: ti è stato dato per la seconda volta questo link e in precedenza anche detto come fare\n<krikri> scusami massimo ma probabilmente la procedura l'ho fatta ma non so se è andata a buon fine\n<enzotib> krikri: se non ti arriva l'email, allora non è andata a buon fine\n<massimo18> krikri: ti arriverà una mail dove sarà spiegato come fare se hai fatto quella procedura\n<massimo18> ecco appunto\n<jester-> non è andato a buon fine\n<krikri> per la mail devo aspettare quanto?\n<jester-> krikri: li dove scrivi /msg nickserv register password-scelta indirizzo-email\n<glpiana> !chat | krikri\n<ubot-it> krikri: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<enzotib> buoni principi e migliori fini\n<jester-> krikri: password-scelta è la pass che scegli e la mail deve essere reale\n<cicciocele> glpiana, scusa sono rientrato è saltata la corrente!!!!...\n<cicciocele> c6\n<krikri> ragazzi sono in chat perchè ho problemi con ubuntu all'avvio\n<cicciocele> c'è qualcuno che può aiutarmi a configurare internet con ubuntu (l'ho installato oggi)\n<jester-> cicciocele: menu file di ferfox, controlla che non sia spuntato lavora offline\n<cicciocele> no no è online\n<cicciocele> ma non riesco a stabilire la connessione\n<cicciocele> sia via line che wireless\n<cicciocele> ma con questo notebook avevo anche in windors problemi di settaggio via lan...ma wifi mai avuto problemi\n<jester-> cicciocele: ping -c3 www.google.com cosa combina\n<jester-> cicciocele: col filo attaccato\n<cicciocele> inknown host\n<cicciocele> unknown host\n<jester-> cicciocele: dall'icona lo vedi collegato?\n<cicciocele> ora no\n<cicciocele> il filo è attaccato\n<jester-> cicciocele: collegalo\n<cicciocele> ma nell'icona non cambia nulla\n<cicciocele> si si è attaccato\n<jester-> cicciocele: clicca auto eth0\n<jester-> o connetti\n<cicciocele> ok ora sembra che è in connessione....ma non si stabilisce\n<krikri> nessuno sa dirmi allora perchè si blocca ubuntu all'avvio io ho un dual boot\n<jester-> cicciocele: il router ha NAT abiltiato?\n<cicciocele> scusami nn so cosa vuol dire\n<jester-> krikri: si blocca in che senso\n<jester-> cicciocele: che router usi\n<cicciocele> dopo che simula di collegarsi mi dice non collegato...se faccio il log out?\n<cicciocele> netgear\n<jester-> cicciocele: sudo dhclient eth0\n<krikri> innanzitutto ho installato 10.10\n<krikri> poichè installando 11.04 ho problemi ancora maggiori\n<jester-> krikri: se non dici il problema la vedo dura risolvere\n<cicciocele> resta sempre in tentativo di connessione e dopo un po mi compare you are offline\n<Cyber_forences> ciao a tutti\n<jester-> cicciocele: ping -c3 74.125.43.105\n<cicciocele> network is unreachable\n<cicciocele> jester, se proviamo via wifi forse è meglio anche in windows non andava bene via lan\n<a7x> lol\n<Cyber_forences> chi mi aiuta a risolvere un problema di FIRESTARTER\n<a7x> giorno jester- :)\n<krikri> con ubuntu 11.04 dopo l'aggiornamento si riavvia e dopo la richiesta di accesso si blocca, nel senso che non mi fa fare nulla devo spegnere per riavviarlo\n<jester-> krikri: ifconfig la vede la etho?\n<jester-> cicciocele: ifconfig la vede la etho?\n<cicciocele> si mi riconosce l'IP\n<jester-> cicciocele: che ip ha assegnato\n<cicciocele> 192.168.0.5\n<jester-> cicciocele: allora funza\n<krikri> ciao ragazzi vi saluto\n<cicciocele> si ma non va su internet e l'icona in alto è come se è disconnesso\n<jester-> cicciocele: destro sull'icona/modifica rete\n<krikri> ciao jester ci risentiamo cosi ne riparliamo\n<jester-> cicciocele: mi sa che hai il router settato male\n<jester-> resettalo\n<cicciocele> scusami non so ma il mio ubuntu è in inglese....vado su edit connections\n<cicciocele> l'ho già resettato\n<jester-> cicciocele: http://192.168.0.1\n<jester-> cicciocele: dovrebbe essere user admin password password\n<jester-> cicciocele: come è inpostato\n<jester-> impostato*\n<cicciocele_> jester, rieccomi ho resettato il modem.......nel desktop via windows funziona ...nel portatile con ubuntu niente\n<Cyber_forences> help firestarter chi mi aiuta ??????\n<cicciocele_> mi puoi guidare nel settare ubuntu con wifi?\n<jester-> cicciocele_: vai in modifica rete\n<cicciocele_> dove lo trovo?\n<jester-> destro su icona in alto\n<Angelo> clicca con il dx li'\n<cicciocele_> ok sono su edit connection\n<jester-> cicciocele_: vai su eth0 e poi modifica\n<cicciocele_> ok\n<jester-> cicciocele_: ipv4\n<cicciocele_> premetto che si chiama Auto eth0...ci sono\n<jester-> cicciocele_: mettilo in autoamatico dhcp solo indirizzi\n<jester-> cicciocele_: finestra Metodo\n<cicciocele_> si si fatto\n<jester-> cicciocele_: server DNS metti 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4\n<cicciocele_> ok ci sono\n<jester-> salva\n<cicciocele_> metto lo spazio dopo la virgola?\n<jester-> si\n<cicciocele_> ora l'icone che è connesso c'è ma la pagina non carica è bianca ed è in waitinig for www.google.com\n<jester-> cicciocele_: disponibile pre tutti gli ustnti e per completare quest connessione spuntati\n<cicciocele_> fatto ma sono sempre allo stesso punto\n<jester-> cicciocele_: da i sudo route e dimmi cosa c'è nella colonna gateway a default\n<cicciocele_> ogni volta mi chiede la password ci sarà per caso un problema di autenticazione?\n<barby> ragazzi ho difficoltà a montare un nas\n<jester-> cicciocele_: mi sa che hai sminchiato il ortachiavi\n<barby> in automatico\n<jester-> cicciocele_: parliamo sempre col cavo?\n<cicciocele_> 192.168.0.1 Gateway 0.0.0.0 Genmask UG Flags 0 Metric 0 Ref 0 Use eth0 Iface\n<cicciocele_> si si sempre con cavo sono\n<jester-> cicciocele_: è tutto giusto\n<jester-> cicciocele_: cat /etc/network/interfaces\n<cicciocele_> posso chiederti di aiutarmi a settare con il wifi?\n<jester-> cicciocele_ se nell'icona non c'è il wifi è un altro problema\n<jester-> cicciocele_: cat /etc/network/interfaces\n<cicciocele_> dove scrivo quest'indirizzo?\n<jester-> nel terminale e dimmi cosa dice\n<cicciocele_> dice: auto lo\n<cicciocele_> iface lo inet loopback\n<jester-> cicciocele_: e basta?\n<cicciocele_> si\n<cicciocele_> c6\n<jester-> cicciocele_: sblocca il protachihttp://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Sicurezza/Portachiaviavi o cambia la pass\n<cicciocele_> ma cosa vuol dire portachiavi\n<cicciocele_> e quale passw dovrei cambiare\n<jester-> cicciocele_: vai in gestione portachiavi\n<jester-> cambi la pass di default, metti la vecchia e lasci i due campi in bianco\n<cicciocele_> purtroppo mi ha installato in automatico la versione in inglese...ora vedo\n<cicciocele_> quindi non metto nuove password la lascio in bianco\n<jester-> cicciocele_: si\n<cicciocele_> ok\n<jester-> cicciocele_: resetta pure gnome magari\n<jester-> !gnomereset\n<ubot-it> Per resettare gnome alle sue impostazioni di default rinominare le cartelle nascoste nella propria home .gnome2 .config .gconf .gconfd .gnome2_private e riavviare la sessione\n<cicciocele_> non me la cambia la password...e se la elimino?\n<jester-> cicciocele_: se ci sono altre pass oltre a quella di default toglile\n<cicciocele_> non ne ho\n<jester-> cicciocele_: metti la vecchia e bastra che non te la chide piu\n<jester-> chiede\n<cicciocele_> ok ora come faccio a fare !gnomereset\n<cicciocele_> dal terminal?\n<jester-> cicciocele_: col filemanager pigi control e h che ti fa vedere i file e cartelle nascoste\n<cicciocele_> scusami come faccio ad aprire il filemanager\n<jester-> cicciocele_: è cartella home\n<cicciocele_> okok...e per fare !gnomereset ??\n<jester-> !gnomereset | cicciocele_ leggi\n<ubot-it> cicciocele_ leggi: Per resettare gnome alle sue impostazioni di default rinominare le cartelle nascoste nella propria home .gnome2 .config .gconf .gconfd .gnome2_private e riavviare la sessione\n<cicciocele_> scusatemi ma si chiamano già cosi ...le devo rinominare allo stesso modo?\n<jester-> cicciocele_: aggiungi un .back .bellagnocca .qualcosa\n<cicciocele_> ragazzi parlate chiaro.....che cosa vuol dire aggiungi.....\n<cicciocele_> io in home con ctrl+h trovo delle cartelle\n<jester-> cicciocele_: .gnome2 diventa .gnome2.bellagnocca\n<cicciocele_> che si chiamano .gnome2 .config .gconf .gconfd .gnome2_private\n<jester-> cicciocele_: destro e rinomina proprio come in winzoz\n<jester-> cicciocele_: se è nuov installazione cancellale e pace\n<cicciocele_> fatto\n<jester-> cicciocele_: cancella pure la .mozilla\n<jester-> cicciocele_: ternina sessione e rientra\n<cicciocele_> cioè riavvio?\n<jester-> no esci e rientra\n<cicciocele_> ma mi fa sempre entrare con la vecchia password....\n<jester-> cicciocele_: n on centra la pass dell'user con quella partachiavi\n<jester-> se poi te la chiede dai la stessa di user per non fare confusione\n<cicciocele_> ah......io avevo cambiato la passwords:login\n<jester-> cicciocele_: doh\n<jester-> userai la pass che hai messo\n<cicciocele_> ok...\n<cicciocele_> prima cosa ma non si puo mettere tutto in italiano...almeno cosi ci capiamo altrimenti devo sempre tradurre\n<jester-> cicciocele_: devi essere in itnernet\n<jester-> internet\n<jester-> cosi come la wifi\n<cicciocele_> ecco come non detto e per adesso non ci sono\n<cicciocele_> jester e cosa posso fare ancora?\n<jester-> cicciocele_ preferenze/password e chiavi di cifratura\n<cicciocele_> ecco...io prima sono andato li e non sono andato al gestore del portachiavi.....come si chiama gestore portachiavi in inglese\n<cicciocele_> e dsove si trova?\n<jester-> cicciocele_: keyring piu o mno\n<cicciocele_> e dove si trova?\n<jester-> cicciocele_: seahorse nel terminale\n<jester-> cicciocele_: tab password c'è una cartella?\n<cicciocele_> ok ci sono\n<cicciocele_> mi da password e chiavi di cifratura\n<cicciocele_> si ma è dove sono andato prima .....\n<jester-> cicciocele_: c'è una cartella ?\n<cicciocele_> quindi prima non sono andato nella gestione del portachiavi\n<cicciocele_> si c'è una cartella dove c'è passwords : login\n<cicciocele_> e io qui prima avevo lasciato il campo bianco\n<jester-> cicciocele_: cliccala destro e cambia pass\n<jester-> cicciocele_: nel primo campo metti la pass user e basta\n<jester-> o quella che avevi dato prima\n<cicciocele_> ok fatto\n<cicciocele_> e la nuova cosa scrivo?\n<jester-> altri due in binaco\n<jester-> nulla\n<cicciocele_> ok\n<jester-> cicciocele_: ok prova a connettere la eth\n<cicciocele_> allora ho fatto la stessa cosa prima\n<jester-> non dovrebbe chiederti la pass\n<cicciocele_> ecco adesso ho staccato e ricollegato il lan....ma non c'è piu l'icona che è collegato e non va su internet\n<jester-> cicciocele_: c'è eth0 nell'icona?\n<cicciocele_> c'è Auto eht0\n<jester-> cicciocele_: connessa?\n<cicciocele_> no\n<jester-> se la connetti?\n<cicciocele_> ci sto provando\n<jester-> cicciocele_: non è che per caso hai abilitato u nproxy?\n<cicciocele_> no ad ogni modo come faccio a controllare?\n<cicciocele_> mi dice che sono offline\n<cicciocele_> ecco ora mi da l'icona che sono connesso\n<jester-> cicciocele_: sudo apt-get update\n<jester-> che fa\n<cicciocele_> in firefox mi dice problema di collegamento pagina\n<cicciocele_> aspe provo\n<jester-> cicciocele_: preferenze proxy di rete deve essere su connessione diretta\n<cicciocele_> impossibile recuperare\n<jester-> cicciocele_: controllato?\n<cicciocele_> si mi dice che è impossibile recuperare http...........................\n<jester-> cicciocele_: preferenze proxy di rete deve essere su connessione diretta\n<cicciocele_> e dove lo trovo scritto\n<cicciocele_> preferenze proxy?\n<jester-> cicciocele_: menu sistema/prefernze\n<fredd> jester- ciao :)\n<jester-> aiò fredd\n<cicciocele_> in firefox?\n<fredd> :)\n<cicciocele_> non la trovo questa dicitura( scusami ma è tutto in inglese)\n<jester-> cicciocele_: terminale e gnome-network-properties\n<cicciocele_> è già su diretta\n<jester-> cicciocele_: molto strana la cosa\n<jester-> cicciocele_: ping -c3 74.125.43.147\n<jester-> cicciocele_: pinga?\n<cicciocele_> si\n<jester-> cicciocele_: cat /etc/resolv.conf\n<jester-> che esce\n<cicciocele_> esce solo generated by networkmanager\n<jester-> cicciocele_: in firefox http://74.125.43.147\n<cicciocele_> mi da la stessa cosa di come se vado su google.....cioè caricmaneot e non fa nulla\n<cicciocele_> caricamento\n<jester-> cicciocele_: sudo iptables -F\n<cicciocele_> non da nulla\n<jester-> cicciocele_: sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf\n<jester-> cicciocele_: metti sete due righe\n<jester-> nameserver 8.8.8.8\n<jester-> nameserver 8.8.4.4\n<jester-> avrebbe dovuto aggiungerli modifica connessioni (network manager)\n<cicciocele_> dove devo scrivere?\n<cicciocele_> su quali righe?\n<jester-> cicciocele_: sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf\n<jester-> nameserver 8.8.8.8\n<jester-> nameserver 8.8.4.4\n<cicciocele_> mi dice attempting to set permission but failed...cioè prova a darmi il permesso ma fallisce\n<cicciocele_> fallito pe rcreare file '/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel.ZNZTVV\n<cicciocele_> non è che cancellando quelle cartelle .gnome2 .config .gconf .gconfd .gnome2_private ho fatto casini?\n<jester-> cicciocele_: che strano il file è bloccato\n<jester-> centra una sega\n<jester-> sicuro che non hai seguito qualche guida strana?\n<jester-> cicciocele_: rivai in modifica rete\n<cicciocele_> si\n<cicciocele_> dimmi\n<jester-> modifica ipv4\n<cicciocele_> ma sono scomparsi i numeri che ho messo prima\n<jester-> cicciocele_: metti in manuale\n<jester-> cicciocele_: poi fa aggiungi\n<cicciocele_> ok\n<jester-> cicciocele_: indirizzo 192.168.0.10\n<jester-> cicciocele_: netmask 255.255.255.0\n<jester-> cicciocele_: gateway 162.168.0.1\n<jester-> batti enter sul gw o no lo prende\n<cicciocele_> fatto\n<jester-> cicciocele_: server 8.8.8.8. 8.8.4.4\n<jester-> virgola e spazio fra i due\n<salsero-mediamen> gioca con gli script... si si :P\n<cicciocele_> in dns server scrivo: 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4 ???\n<jester-> cicciocele_: si server DNS\n<cicciocele_> fatto\n<jester-> salva\n<jester-> cicciocele_: cat /etc/resolv.conf\n<cicciocele_> mi da la stessa cosa generated by netwotkmanager\n<cicciocele_> e non altro\n<cicciocele_> ma non posso collegarmi direttamente in wifi?...senza lan??\n<jester-> cicciocele_: sudo chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf\n<jester-> cicciocele_: si che hai seguito la guida pirla\n<cicciocele_> ma pirla dici a me?\n<jester-> no alla guida che hai seguito, quel file non si blocca in scrittura da solo\n<jester-> cicciocele_: fatto sudo chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf ?\n<cicciocele_> si ma non da nulla\n<fredd> jester- vorrei far riconoscere un game pad ad ubuntu come faccio?\n<jester-> cicciocele_: adesso rivai in rete e rimetti i dns server\n<cicciocele_> ci sono già .....\n<jester-> cicciocele_: sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf\n<cicciocele_> non mi da il persso nel creare il file\n<cicciocele_> faccio prima a cancellare tutto e a rimettere ubuntu....magari se trovo una versione in italiano?\n<zafira> ciao a tutti\n<jester-> cicciocele_: sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf\n<zafira> ho installato la 11.04\n<jester-> cicciocele_: sudo chmod 644 /etc/resolv.conf\n<zafira> ma al riavvio mi da schermo nero con solo il puntatore del mouse\n<jester-> cicciocele_: scusa sudo chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf\n<jester-> cicciocele_: sudo chmod 644 /etc/resolv.conf\n<jester-> zafira: parti in ripristino e al menu scegli graficas sicura o failsafe che sia\n<cicciocele_> non mi da nulla\n<jester-> non deve dire nulla\n<jester-> cicciocele_: scusa sudo chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf fatto?\n<cicciocele_> ok\n<zafira> cioe' con il cd inserito??\n<jester-> cicciocele_: sudo chmod 644 /etc/resolv.conf anche?\n<fredd> jester- poi facciamo riconoscere il game pad :)\n<jester-> zafira: intendi che non parte il cd?\n<jester-> fredd: proprio non saprei\n<cicciocele_> si fatto entrambi\n<zafira> si il cd parte\n<jester-> cicciocele_: sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf\n<jester-> lo apre?\n<zafira> ma dove trovo quello che hai detto te\n<jester-> zafira: problema al riavvio post installazione o non parte il cd\n<cicciocele_> si apre un file con scritto # generated by networkmanager e solo questo\n<zafira> problema post installazione\n<jester-> cicciocele_: ecco adesso mettici\n<zafira> il sistema sembra installato\n<jester-> nameserver 8.8.8.8\n<jester-> nameserver 8.8.4.4\n<fredd> jester- mi da errore durante il caricamento dell' archivio quando clicco su driver. exe\n<cicciocele_> dove lo devo mettere nel file che si è aperto?\n<jester-> zafira: al boot hai il menu grub o avendo solo linux non lo vedi\n<cicciocele_> devo cancellare quel # generated by networkmanager\n<jester-> cicciocele_: si le due stringhe\n<cicciocele_> e salvo?\n<jester-> cicciocele_: non cancellare che tutto quello dopo un # non è un comando ma un testo\n<zafira> ho solo linux\n<jester-> zafira: allora al boot tieni premuto shift che lo vedi e parti col ripristino\n<fredd> jester- e mi dice questo:Archive: /media/Driver/USB Network Driver.exe\n<fredd> [/media/Driver/USB Network Driver.exe]\n<fredd> End-of-central-directory signature not found. Either this file is not\n<fredd> a zipfile, or it constitutes one disk of a multi-part archive. In the\n<fredd> latter case the central directory and zipfile comment will be found on\n<FloodBotIt1> fredd: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<fredd> the last disk(s) of this archive.\n<zafira> ok mo ci provo\n<jester-> cicciocele_: salva e prova ff\n<cicciocele_> dopo che ho salvato mi esce sempre nel terminale che non mi da il permesso\n<jester-> cicciocele_: ls -la /etc/resolv.conf\n<cicciocele_> tutto come prima\n<jester-> che cazzo di attributi ha\n<cicciocele_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40 2011-05-23 17:44 /etc/resolv.conf\n<jester-> cicciocele_: group\n<jester-> lo deve scrivere è giusto\n<cicciocele_> sempre in terminale?\n<jester-> si\n<cicciocele_> groups? o groupd?\n<cicciocele_> perchè group non da nulla\n<jester-> groups\n<cicciocele_> adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare\n<jester-> cicciocele_: mount e metti nel pastebin\n<fredd> jester- http://paste.ubuntu.com/611901/\n<jester-> !paste | cicciocele_\n<ubot-it> cicciocele_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<cicciocele_> non posso è un altro pc......ci metto due anni per copiare\n<jester-> fredd: che centra un file .exe\n<jester-> cicciocele_: sembra che hai il filesystem montato in solo lettura\n<cicciocele_> potrebbe essere\n<jester-> cicciocele_: secondo me reinstalli per bene\n<cicciocele_> io ho installatoquale è la procedura migliore ?\n<cicciocele_> in italiano\n<jester-> cicciocele_: controlla md5sum della iso che hai usato e, se giusto, rimasterizza a bassa velocità \n<fredd> jester- ah tu dici che ubuntu non riconosce .exe? e allora come posso ovviare?\n<cicciocele_> io non ho fatto con il cd ma con un sistema che ha scaricato direttamente\n<jester-> cicciocele_: quando parte il cd scegli la lingua\n<cicciocele_> e fatto tutto da solo via windows\n<cicciocele_> si avevo messo in italiano\n<jester-> cicciocele_: fallo col pc connesso al rutter\n<jester-> cicciocele_: qualcosa è andato storto\n<cicciocele_> ma devo farlo con il cd? o con quale metodo?\n<jester-> al boot il kenrel trova casini e mont il fs in sola lettura\n<jester-> cicciocele_: installi da cd ma il pc deve essere connesso al router\n<cicciocele_> via lan?\n<jester-> cicciocele_: poi setta lui la rete\n<cicciocele_> ma io non ho il cd lo dovrei fare\n<jester-> cicciocele_: col cavo pc--> retro del rutter\n<jester-> cicciocele_: e cosa hai usato per installare\n<cicciocele_> wubi\n<jester-> cicciocele_: aaaah è dentro a winzoz\n<jester-> cicciocele_: disinstallalo e fatti una installazione su partizione\n<cicciocele_> avevo fatto su partizione logica non primaria...ma non penso cambi qualcosa\n<jester-> cicciocele_: linux se ne frega\n<cicciocele_> resta il fatto che non ho il cd\n<cicciocele_> ho solo un iso scaricato dal sito per pc a 64 bit\n<cicciocele_> versione 11.04\n<jester-> cicciocele_: manuale, vai sulla partizione/modifica/ usare ex4, formattare montare come /\n<jester-> cicciocele_: scaricati la iso\n<jester-> dentro a winzoz su ntfs è una ciofeca\n<cicciocele_> ok.....dopo che scarico la iso come la carico su cd?\n<jester-> cicciocele_: avrai nero imagino\n<cicciocele_> si\n<jester-> cicciocele_: una volta scaricata destro e apri con nero\n<jester-> gli dai il cd e te la scrive\n<jester-> cicciocele_: oppure da nero scrivi immagine\n<cicciocele_> controllando non ho nero...conosci altri programmi per montare iso?\n<jester-> eh chi si ricorda\n<cicciocele_> ok dai ricapitolando\n<cicciocele_> monto l'immagine...metto il cd e faccio partire dal bios sotto cd\n<cicciocele_> installo come se mettessi windows\n<jester-> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download\n<cicciocele_> la versione 11.04 va bene?\n<cicciocele_> io ho windows a 64 bit quindi scelgo 64\n<jester-> cicciocele_: infrarecoder vedi Burn your CD or create a USB drive\n<jester-> winzox -->show me how\n<jester-> cicciocele_: vaa bene la 64 bit\n<cicciocele_> posso metterlo anche su una usb e far partire il bios dalla usb\n<cicciocele_> ok\n<jester-> cicciocele_: segui per la usb winzoz\n<jester-> cicciocele_: prima disinstalla wibi da rimuovi applicazioni di winzoz\n<jester-> wubi\n<cicciocele_> io da un semplice ccleaner ho cancellato e formattato tutto su ubuntu vecchio\n<cicciocele_> adesso monto su cd e riparto\n<cicciocele_> poi ti faro sapere\n<elmutzine> ciao! ho appena cambiato versione di ubuntu, attuale 11.04. Nel riavviare il Pc nek momento del grub lo schermo mi da un errore, out of frequency e si spegne, si riaccende solo al momento del login, sto seguendo un paio di guide ma non riesco a venirne fuori, sapreste aiutarmi?\n<jester-> elmutzine: vai di ripristino a la boot scegli grafica sicura\n<elmutzine> jester-: cioè? reinstallo il boot?\n<jester-> elmutzine: ma parte il sistema?\n<elmutzine> jester-: si, quando effettuo il login non ho più problemi.\n<elmutzine> il rpoblema si presenta solamente nell'avviare il pc\n<jester-> elmutzine: fa vedere cat /etc/default/grub\n<jester-> !paste | elmutzine\n<ubot-it> elmutzine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<elmutzine> jester-: ok, un attimo\n<elmutzine> jester-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/611912/\n<jester-> elmutzine: prova a cambiare GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"quiet splash\" GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"\"\n<elmutzine> jester-: ok\n<jester-> elmutzine: salvi e dai sudo update-grub\n<jester-> elmutzine: a vedere anche eventuale xorg.conf\n<elmutzine> jester-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/611915/\n<jester-> elmutzine: il conf è a posto\n<elmutzine> jester-: ok, provo a riavviare\n<jester-> vai\n<krikri> ciao jester sono ritornato per qualche minuto\n<elmutzine> jester-: niente da fare, il problema persiste\n<jester-> elmutzine: dato update-grub?\n<elmutzine> jester-: si, l'avevo dato appena dopo la modifica del file\n<savaglie> salve\n<jester-> elmutzine: #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480 --> GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768\n<jester-> elmutzine: e appena sotto aggiungi GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep\n<savaglie> Sto usando netbeans su ubuntu e ho provato ad eseguire un applicazione scritta in java per la creazione di un client attraverso l'uso dei socket su un time-server da cui prelevare l'ora e stamparla.Nella fase di compilazione non mi da problemi ma quando faccio il run ricevo l'errore java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused\n<elmutzine> jester-: la seconda linea la creo io, giusto?\n<jester-> yess\n<elmutzine> jester-: mantengo il cancelletto vicino a GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768?\n<jester-> nu o non lo caga\n<elmutzine> jester-: ok allora tolgo\n<elmutzine> jester-: lancio ancora update-grub?\n<jester-> elmutzine: yess o no da dei cambiamenti\n<jester-> non sa*\n<savaglie> jester-: psso una domanda?\n<jester-> savaglie: certo\n<savaglie> volevo sapere se di default ubuntu bloccasse le porte in ascolto perchè non riesco a fare un socket che si colleghi ad un server remoto\n<jester-> savaglie: no ma se hai un router con firewall le blocca lui\n<savaglie> sono dietro una rete universitaria\n<savaglie> potrebbe essere questo il problema?\n<jester-> savaglie: penso di si. il sysadmin ava blindato\n<jester-> avrà \n<savaglie> grazie stasera proverò da casa mia allora\n<savaglie> :)\n<elmutzine> jester-: risolto, grazie mille!!\n<savaglie> qua si fa pure assistenza backtrack 5 visto che ormai è basata su ubuntu lucid?\n<jester-> elmutzine: a volte è una cazzata\n<jester-> savaglie: solo ubuntu\n<elmutzine> jester-: già , però le cazzate mi mettono sempre in crisi, han soluzioni sempre più semplici di ciò che vado a pensare\n<savaglie> ma se sul sito dice di essere basata su ubuntu non dovrebbe essere cmq supportata?non è una derivata di ubuntu?\n<jester-> savaglie: si fa assistenza solo su ubuntu doc\n<savaglie> doc?\n<jester-> vai te a sapere cosa taroccano le drivate\n<remix_tj> savaglie: ma se ci sono problemi con il formaggio te vai a lamentarti dal lattaro?\n<savaglie> no\n<savaglie> grazie remix_tj\n<savaglie> il concetto mi è stato chiarito perfettamente\n<savaglie> :)\n<savaglie> grazie anche a te jester-\n<remix_tj> :-)\n<jester-> :)\n<savaglie> a presto\n<savaglie> buona serata a tutti\n<elmutzine> jester-: comunque ti ringrazio ancora, buona serata!!\n<jester-> de nada\n<zafira> cia jester\n<zafira> ho provato quello che mi hai detto\n<jester-> cià zafira\n<zafira> ho provato la modalita' ripristino\n<jester-> eh?\n<zafira> ma nada\n<jester-> zafira: arrivi al menu?\n<zafira> si\n<jester-> zafira: e in grafica sicura el va no?\n<zafira> ci sono 4 modalita'\n<jester-> la prima dovrebbe essere\n<zafira> linux generic\n<zafira> linux rispristino\n<jester-> failsafe o grafica sicura\n<zafira> e memtest\n<jester-> DareDevil: devi usare ripristino e al menu vai in grafica sicura\n<jester-> zafira: devi usare ripristino e al menu vai in grafica sicura\n<zafira> ripristino l'ho trovato ma in grafica sicura non ci arriva\n<jester-> zafira: arriva la menu di ripristino?\n<zafira> allora al ravvio spingo shift\n<zafira> si apre una finestra con 4 modalita\n<zafira> seleziono ripristino\n<zafira> parte poi si blocca con lo schermo con artefatti\n<zafira> e non va piu' avanti\n<jester-> zafira: allora l'installazione è venuta farlocca, hai controllato md5sum della iso?\n<zafira> di questa no dell'altra mi ha dato esito positivo\n<jester-> zafira: ricontrollerei e rimasterizzerei non su un riscrivibile\n<jester-> zafira: poi fai installazione su partizione?\n<jester-> o wubi\n<zafira> ho fatto l'installazione su un hd dedicato\n<zafira> staccando fisicamente l'altro\n<jester-> zafira: non è che poi hai attaccato e riavviato ?\n<jester-> zafira: avvia con l'altro l'hd staccato\n<zafira> ok mo ci provo\n<zafira> ora sono con i 2 HD attacati\n<akis24> buonasera\n<zafira> jester provato anche con il \"HD staccato ma niente\n<jester-> zafira: reinstalla ma con entrambi i dischi attaccati\n<zafira> no ho paura di rovinare il so dell'altro\n<zafira> come faccio a controllare la ISO\n<jester-> !md5sum | zafira\n<ubot-it> zafira: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Md5Sum\n<zafira> mo vedo la iso\n<zafira> jester iso controllata ed e' OK\n<zafira> che faccio\n<jester-> masterizza a installa da capo\n<jester-> non su un RW\n<zafira> perche'\n<jester-> perchè gli RW dopo 2 volte che li usi non sono affidabili\n<zafira> ok allora faccio questa procedura\n<zafira> clicco 2 volte sulla iso e mi si apre nero e masterizzo a bassa velocita'\n<zafira> giusto??\n<cicciocele> jester scusa se ti disturbo ma una installazione da cd..quanto dura?...sono già 20 minuti che sono fermo in una schermata che contiente tutti numeri 7.28.....................\n<akis24> di solito in 20 minuti si installa tutto..\n<cicciocele> e mi compare una zona rossa dove leggo fail\n<akis24> riavvia e riprova di nuovo\n<cicciocele> quindi c'è qualche errore eppure ho scaricato la iso dal sito ubuntu.com e copiata su cd\n<cicciocele> direttamente da windows\n<akis24> a volte è successo pure a me\n<cicciocele> è già la seconda volta\n<akis24> allora controlla la iso magari è danneggiata oppure la masterizzazione non è andata bene\n<cicciocele> ne sto rifacendo un'altra\n<akis24> !md5sum | nel caso avessi ancora prb...\n<ubot-it> nel caso avessi ancora prb...: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Md5Sum\n<akis24> cosi vedi se la iso è integra\n<paolo> salve ragazzi! qualcuno è in grado di consigliarmi un laptop di nuova generazione \"pienamente supportato\" a livello hw con cpu intel core? Leggendo il forum sembra che scegliere un portatite sia un po' come giocare alla roulette russa... ps vorrei installare ubuntu 10.04 lts\n<paolo> so che in caso di problemi ci siete qua voi, ma preferirei non disturbarvi :)\n<jester-> paolo: hp o dell\n<jester-> schede con chipset inteel\n<jester-> paolo: video nvidia\n<paolo> jester-: cavolo, gli hp su cui avevo messo gli occhi montano tutte la radeon.. ;-\\\n<paolo> jester-: non so se è un'info utile, ma non mi serve x giocare\n<jester-> paolo: sono migliorati anche i driver ati ma nvidia sarebbe l'ideale\n<paolo> jester-: ok, ricalibro le mie ricerche allora, grazie :)\n<paolo> nel frattempo se qualcun altro ha testimonianze da riportare....... eheh\n<jester-> paolo: chiedi eventualmente a [Enrico] quli ati sono supportate\n<jester-> quali*\n<akis24> per me con ati sempre un avventura...\n<[Enrico]> jester-: attualmente AMD supporto lo switch con la intel se hai 2 schede video..... nvidia no ;)\n<[Enrico]> jester-: quindi nvidia ideal == YMMV\n<[Enrico]> ideale*\n<[Enrico]> paolo: cmq sia, che problema c'è con le radeon?\n<jester-> [Enrico]: appunto che ho detto di chiedere a te che conosci l'ambaradam\n<paolo> [Enrico]: guarda, per quello che devo fare io col pc una vale l'altra. mi interessa sono avere un notebook che funzioni BENE out of the box.. non ho voglia di perdere tempo a sistemarlo/ottimizzarlo.\n<jester-> paolo: non piare un accero e sony vaio\n<[Enrico]> paolo: beh sia con ati che con nvidia devi installare i driver propietari (2 click ed è fatta per entrambi) per avere powersave e 3d migliori\n<[Enrico]> paolo: ma veniamo al punto: cosa intendi con BENE? è un concetto assai relativo\n<nino> salve\n<paolo> [Enrico]: comunque nessun problema, soltanto avevo visto dei laptop interessanti come prezzo/prestazioni (es. hp dv6-6008el) ma montano Radeon HD 6490M\n<nino> posso fare una domanda?\n<jester-> nino: ciulla se puoi\n<[Enrico]> paolo: ripeto, dimmi cosa intendi esattamente con BENE (cioè tutto quello che vuoi fare con quel pc) e ti dico\n<nino> ho un problema con ubuntu...non riesco piu' ad aggiornarlo\n<paolo> [Enrico]: con \"bene\" intendo che il so riconosca out of the box l'hardware della macchina.\n<paolo> [Enrico]: sono programmatore e il pc lo uso esclusivamente per programmare\n<[Enrico]> paolo: quello lo fa sia radeon sia nvidia\n<jester-> nino: cioè?\n<paolo> [Enrico]: allora perfetto! La scheda grafica non sarà presa in considerazione nei parametri di scelta, grazie.\n<jester-> nino: il pvt non è gradito\n<nino> ...anche se cerco di installare altro software no me lo fa fare\n<nino> scusa\n<jester-> nino: apri un terminle dai : sudo apt-get update e poi metti l'output su pastebin\n<jester-> !paste | nino\n<ubot-it> nino: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<nino> cosa devo fare?...non capisco\n<jester-> <jester-> nino: apri un terminle dai : sudo apt-get update\n<nino> ok\n<jester-> nino: poi incolli la risposta sul paste\n<paolo> poi ovviamente per ringraziarvi del supporto riporterò anch'io la mia esperienza (http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Notebook)\n<nino> fatto\n<jester-> nino: incolla nel pastebin\n<jester-> !paste | nino\n<ubot-it> nino: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<nino> l'ho incollato\n<nino> ah...scusa\n<nino> http://paste.ubuntu.com/611966/\n<jester-> nino: sudo apt-get upgrade\n<nino> ok\n<jester-> nino: fa vedere cosa ha fatto\n<nino> http://paste.ubuntu.com/611969/\n<jester-> nino: da quanto non aggionri\n<jester-> nino: dai s\n<nino> da quando ho questo problema che non mi permette di farlo\n<COSO> ciao scusate mi sapete dire come bisogna fare quando si riducono le finestre sulla barra delle aplicazioni per farle riapparire sul desktop? io non vedo niente sulla barra sotto\n<jester-> nino: pigia s\n<COSO> scusa jester- ma dila quelloc he hai scritto era per me?\n<jester-> COSO: gnome callsico?\n<nino> fatto\n<jester-> classico?\n<COSO> nonlo so se sia classico ho ubuntu lucid\n<jester-> nino: mo tira circa un giga di roba\n<jester-> COSO: resetta gnome\n<COSO> e come devo fare a resettare\n<jester-> !gnomereset | COSO\n<ubot-it> COSO: Per resettare gnome alle sue impostazioni di default rinominare le cartelle nascoste nella propria home .gnome2 .config .gconf .gconfd .gnome2_private e riavviare la sessione\n<nino> ok\n<jester-> nino: scarica?\n<COSO> si vabe ma fatto questo cosa dovrebbe succedere\n<nino> si\n<jester-> COSO: che torna a default con le barre non cannibalizzate\n<COSO> si pero' io non ho mai fatto niente per farlo diventare così\n<jester-> hai segato inavvertitamente un applet\n<COSO> quindi dovrei rinominare ste cartelle nascoste\n<jester-> si\n<COSO> pero' pure mio fratello si trova col medesimo problema a casa sua\n<COSO> io non ho guardato se quando ho iistallato sta lucid si vedevano le cartelle rimpicciolite ad icona\n<jester-> non mi ricordo come si chiama l'applet\n<nino> ancora 4 min\n<jester-> nino: tira bene la tua banda\n<nino> si\n<COSO> non ho capito bene come le devo rinominare\n<K99Brain> !resetpanel | COSO\n<ubot-it> COSO: Per resettare il panello alle sue impostazioni di defaults, scrivere questo nel terminale: gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel - Vedere anche !gnomereset per resettare interamente gnome\n<jester-> COSO: aggiungi un .bak per esempio, basta che il nome cambia\n<COSO> a bastava fare tutto nel terminale e io son andato a aprire le cartelle nascoste\n<COSO> non devo mettere nessun sudo?\n<jester-> nu\n<K99Brain> COSO, quel che è nella tua home appartiene a te, non usare mai sudo se non serve\n<COSO> scusa nella stringa da mettere nel terminale ci va p8re questo - Vedere anche !gnomereset per resettare interamente gnome?\n<K99Brain> secondo te?\n<COSO> secondo me non lo so'\n<COSO> ho imparato a non firarmi mai del intuito\n<COSO> soprattutto con ste cose\n<COSO> ma ci va o no\n<nino> Si sono verificati degli errori nell'elaborazione: linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)\n<jester-> nino: sudo apt-get -f install\n<paolo> quindi dite che con una robina del genere non dovrebbero esserci problemi? http://bit.ly/jczTdu\n<K99Brain> COSO, il comando è: gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel\n<K99Brain> e basta\n<COSO> e allora sto fatto di vedere pure quella cosa cosa dovrei fare\n<K99Brain> !gnomereset | COSO\n<ubot-it> COSO: Per resettare gnome alle sue impostazioni di default rinominare le cartelle nascoste nella propria home .gnome2 .config .gconf .gconfd .gnome2_private e riavviare la sessione\n<paolo> (ho trovato da un'altra fonte che monta il chipset intel hm55)\n<nino> Si sono verificati degli errori nell'elaborazione: linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)\n<jester-> paolo: si puo sapere sel custa?\n<nino> jaster devo un attimo lasciare il pc...possiamo continuare dopo?\n<COSO> a bene dopo quella stringa li son apparse le finestre sulla barra\n<jester-> nino: ok\n<ALM_> ciao a tutti, ho un problema: ho installato i compilatori c++ gcc e mingw32, ho installato una libreria (GMP) ma va solo su gcc; come faccio a farla andare anche su mingw32?\n<COSO> facendo puree l'altra cosa cosa dovrebbe migliorare\n<nino> ciao...grazie\n<paolo> a mediaworld 799 :)\n<K99Brain> COSO, quello che hai fatto è resettare i pannelli. L'altra procedura resetta tutto, compresi sfondo e eltre cose\n<paolo> poi ovviamente al costo andranno aggiunti anche gli altri 4 giga di ram ;)\n<COSO> vabe nonlo faccio m ain caso dovessi farlo sarebbe meglio che imparo\n<COSO> per fare pure la seconda cosa cosa andrebbe messo nel terminale?\n<jester-> COSO: usi il file manager visualizzando i file nascosti\n<COSO> e poi rinominarli?\n<COSO> vabe lascio stare\n<jester-> proprio come un winzoz, clicchi destro poi rinomina\n<ALM_> qualcuno mi aiuta x favore?\n<jester-> !chat | ALM_\n<ubot-it> ALM_: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<K99Brain> ALM_, e poi mingw32 è una traduzione per windows del caomplilatore gcc, che cacchio ti serve?\n<COSO> comunque mi servirebbe un altra cosa quando vado in personalizza aspettonegli effetti visivi ci sono i tre puntini da selezionare nessuno normali e aggiuntivi, ma una volta io avevo pure piu in basso quelli persinalizzato e adesso non cè piu , come dovrei fare per farlo tornare\n<K99Brain> !programmazione | ALM_\n<ubot-it> ALM_: sezione dedicata alla programmazione e allo sviluppo http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Programmazione\n<jester-> !ccsm | COSO\n<ubot-it> COSO: Per abilitare effetti visivi aggiuntivi personalizzabili in Ubuntu: installa 'compizconfig-settings-manager' o 'simple-ccsm'. Dopo l'installazione apparirà la relativa icona in Sistema Preferenze - Vedi anche !compiz - Aiuto in #compiz-fusion\n<cicciocele> salve a tutti....sto installando ubuntu da cd....e ho creato una partizione prima di iniziare l'installazione da windows\n<cicciocele> una partizione di 20 gb\n<jester-> cicciocele: da winzoz?\n<COSO> jester-, puoi dirmi il comando per istallarlo dal terminale per favore?\n<K99Brain> !installazione | COSO\n<ubot-it> COSO: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<jester-> COSO: sudo apt-get install 'compizconfig-settings-manager\n<K99Brain> no, spe\n<jester-> COSO: che centra winzoz\n<ALM_> mimiminmingw\n<COSO> jester-, io mica ho parlato di windows\n<jester-> COSO / cicciocele che centra winzoz\n<K99Brain> COSO, http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/InstallareProgrammi\n<K99Brain> COSO, comunque, direi che devi assolutamente documentarti\n<K99Brain> !comandi | COSO\n<ubot-it> COSO: trovi i comandi base su http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/ComandiBase - Gestione di File e Directory: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/ComandiBase#gestionefiledirectory - Terminale e File Manager: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/RigaDiComando\n<K99Brain> !documentazione | COSO\n<ubot-it> COSO: Documentazione ufficiale http://help.ubuntu-it.org - Documentazione della comunità http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Documentazione - Gruppo documentazione: pagina principale http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoDocumentazione\n<K99Brain> COSO, studia :)\n<COSO> sisi ok\n<cicciocele> l'unica cosa che quando scelgo la parte del disco che avevo creato mi dice NON è STATO DEFINITO ALCUN FILE SYSTEM DI root correggere questo problema\n<jester-> cicciocele: cosa centra windows\n<cicciocele> l'avevo creata prima .....tipo due settimane fa ma per altri motivi\n<cicciocele> e poi ho deciso di dedicarla ad ubuntu\n<jester-> cicciocele: installazione su partizione devi fare il boot dle cd\n<cicciocele> si si\n<cicciocele> ho già fatto il boot e sto facendo l'installazione da cd\n<jester-> cicciocele: sei al partizionamento?\n<cicciocele> si\n<jester-> cicciocele: manuale\n<cicciocele> mi chiede di usare la partizione come: file system ext4 ext2 jfs\n<jester-> cicciocele: vai sulla partizione dove piazzi ubuntu\n<cicciocele> quale devo scegliere\n<cicciocele> fatto\n<jester-> cicciocele: modifica\n<jester-> cicciocele: usare come etx4\n<jester-> cicciocele: formattare\n<jester-> cicciocele: montare come /\n<cicciocele> punto di mount?\n<jester-> /\n<K99Brain> /\n<jester-> termina e salva\n<cicciocele> devo mettere anche un'area di swap?\n<jester-> se c'è una partizone piccola la prende lui\n<cicciocele> jester non andare via cosi rivediamo la questione lan e wifi\n<cicciocele> se puoi logicamente\n<jester-> cicciocele: è collegato al rutter il pc?\n<cicciocele> si si è collegato al router\n<jester-> cicciocele: dovrebbe configurare la rete\n<cicciocele> e ho anche flaggato la finestra con aggiornamenti via internet\n<jester-> batti sempre enter\n<cicciocele> anche la wifi?\n<jester-> no\n<jester-> difficile\n<cicciocele> ok\n<jester-> devi avere culo che avere una scheda che va di natura\n<cicciocele> sta scaricando anche dei pacchetti per la lingua quindi forse dovrebbe aver riconosciuto la lan\n<jester-> sperem\n<embryo76> cortesemente! salve a tttui\n<embryo76> c'è qualcuno dispo ad aiutarmi?\n<K99Brain> !qualcuno | embryo76\n<ubot-it> embryo76: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<embryo76> installare falsh palyer su ubuntu 11 64 bit... ho problemi\n<jester-> embryo76: cioè?\n<K99Brain> embryo76, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree\n<embryo76> fatto\n<embryo76> yup\n<embryo76> resta in attesa di header\n<embryo76> I seguenti pacchetti saranno inoltre installati: flashplugin-installer ia32-libs lib32asound2 lib32bz2-1.0 lib32gcc1 lib32ncurses5 lib32ncursesw5 lib32stdc++6 lib32v4l-0 lib32z1 libc6-i386 nspluginwrapper Pacchetti suggeriti: xulrunner-1.9 firefox-3.0 konqueror-nsplugins msttcorefonts ttf-bitstream-vera ttf-dejavu ttf-xfree86-nonfree xfs lib32asound2-plugins I seguenti pacchetti NUOVI saranno installati: flashplugin-i\n<jester-> embryo76: quindi?\n<embryo76> E: Impossibile scaricare alcuni pacchetti. Potrebbe essere utile eseguire \"apt-get update\" o provare l'opzione \"--fix-missing\". fede@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto Generazione albero delle dipendenze Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto I seguenti pacchetti saranno inoltre installati: flashplugin-installer ia32-libs lib32asound2 lib32bz2-1.0 lib32gcc1 lib32\n<jester-> embryo76: cambia server\n<embryo76> 0% [In attesa degli header]\n<embryo76> Err http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty/main libc6-i386 amd64 2.13-0ubuntu13 Connessione non riuscita [IP: 193.206.140.37 80]\n<jester-> embryo76: amministrazione/gestore pacchetti/preferenze/repository\n<embryo76> scusate ma sono una pippa in tema..\n<embryo76> ok vado\n<embryo76> ci sono\n<embryo76> amministrazione/gestore pacchetti/preferenze/repository\n<jester-> embryo76: otri server/italia/fastbul\n<toto23> buonasera\n<toto23> qualcuno mi puo' aitare?\n<embryo76> ubuntu.fastbull.org\n<embryo76> ok\n<jester-> embryo76: pigia ricarica\n<toto23> dopo aver installato xubuntu sul monitor mi appare attenzione frequenza non supportata\n<toto23> salve jester sono luca230103\n<jester-> embryo76: cerca, per nome , flash\n<embryo76> aggiorna ok\n<jester-> embryo76: destro su flashplugin-installer\n<embryo76> sta cercando sw nuovo ecc\n<embryo76> ecc\n<toto23> jester puoi aiutarmi?\n<jester-> toto23: poi parte il sistema o no\n<zul_> ciao ragazzi\n<toto23> si si\n<toto23> parte\n<zul_> chi sa aiutarmi su mysql?\n<toto23> uso xubuntu 11.04\n<jester-> toto23: come cazzo si chiama l'editor di xubuntu\n<zul_> ho creato un utente pippo all'interno del database mysql con password pippo. Quando provo a fare mysql -u pippo -p non mi fa entrare.. dove sbaglio?\n<toto23> xfce\n<jester-> toto23: sudo mousepad /etc/default/grub\n<embryo76> jester sta scaricando.. abbi pazienza\n<toto23> fatto\n<toto23> si e' aperta una finestra\n<embryo76> jester ci sono\n<embryo76> su destro\n<jester-> toto23: cambia sta riga GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768x32 e togli il #\n<embryo76> istalla...\n<nino> eccomi\n<jester-> toto23: appena sotto aggiungi questa GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep\n<nino> eccomi\n<toto23> jester ti posto quello che vedo\n<toto23> non la trovo\n<jester-> posta\n<toto23> http://paste.ubuntu.com/611987/\n<jester-> toto23: la riga 25\n<nino> jester eccomi\n<jester-> toto23: tolgi # e cambiala in GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768x3\n<jester-> toto23: appena sotto inserisci GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep\n<jester-> nino: alura?\n<nino> mi da lo stesso errore\n<Cyber_forences> hello a tutti\n<jester-> nino: sudo apt-get update\n<nino> l'ho fatto prima\n<jester-> toto23: GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768x32 mancava il 2\n<jester-> nino: rifallo\n<nino> fatto\n<jester-> nino: sudo dpkg --configure -a\n<toto23> ok fatto ora?\n<jester-> toto23: sudo update-grub\n<toto23> ok\n<jester-> toto23: riavvia\n<toto23> ok\n<jester-> nino: che fa\n<nino> sta elaborando\n<Cyber_forences> scusate qualquno di voi mi puo aiutare per FIRESTARTER\n<embryo76> jester sorry nel frattempo ho cliccato col destro, ho dato installa\n<embryo76> e sta ascaricando\n<embryo76> ma si pianta al 51%\n<jester-> embryo76: sembra che hai una linea farlocca\n<nino> come devo fare per postarti l'elaborazione?\n<embryo76> grazizzime\n<embryo76> lol\n<toto23> jester 6 un grande!\n<jester-> nino: ha finito?\n<toto23> grazie\n<jester-> toto23: :)\n<nino> si...per postasre\n<embryo76> jester si proprio forte\n<embryo76> :P\n<jester-> !paste | nino\n<ubot-it> nino: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<jester-> embryo76: fermalo e rifallo partire\n<nino> http://paste.ubuntu.com/611993/\n<embryo76> hyup\n<embryo76> vado con un chiavetta\n<embryo76> chiavica\n<jester-> nino: uname -r\n<nino> 2.6.32-21-generic\n<jester-> nino: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-generic\n<nino> premo s?\n<jester-> si\n<nino> ok\n<nino> http://paste.ubuntu.com/611995/\n<jester-> nino: sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic\n<jester-> nino: hai un sistema che è un casino\n<jester-> hai pure i proposed abilitati\n<nino> lo so...;-)\n<nino> http://paste.ubuntu.com/611996/\n<jester-> non è possibile che configuri ancora i kenrle vecchi\n<jester-> nino: sudo apt-get -f install\n<embryo76> brrr\n<nino> http://paste.ubuntu.com/611999/\n<jester-> nino: sudo dpkg --clear-avail\n<nino> fatto\n<jester-> nino: sudo dpkg --purge --force-depends linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic\n<nino> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612002/\n<jester-> nino: hai anche grub a bottane, fai una reinstallazione sopra senza formattare che salvi i dati o viene natale\n<zul_> ragazzi ho aggiunto un utente in mysql con questo comando: insert into user (Host, User, Password) values ('localhost', 'foo','foo'); ma non mi entra quando provo a fare mysql -u foo -p\n<zul_> dove sbaglio?\n<nino> ma perdo tutto\n<jester-> nino: se non formatti la partizione non predi nulla\n<jester-> nino: devi fare manuale al partizionamento\n<nino> cosa e' che devo fare ...esattamente?\n<jester-> nino: midifica la partizione, usare ext4, non formattare7 montare come /\n<nino> scusa...ma non capisco...puoi spiegarmi?\n<jester-> è scritto chiaro appena sopra nino\n<jester-> nino: arrivi al partizionamento, vai sulla partizione ubuntu, modifica\n<jester-> nino: usare come ext4 , non spuntare formattare, montare come /\n<nino> come si modifica...scusa ma nn sn proprio un esperto\n<jester-> nino: una volta che ci sei lo vedi ma prendi nota\n<jester-> che io ha ancor ala cena che aspetta\n<nino> per andare su ext4 e poi montare come si fa\n<jester-> nino: se leggessi attentamente\n<nino> leggo...ma scusami...mi sn perso\n<embryo76> il main libbc 64 non lo ha scaricato da natty\n<jumpysnake> hello\n<nino> devo usare gparted?\n<Dig> ave prodi. se ubuntu si congela....come trovo il motivo?\n<nino> help me\n<nino> ho letto attentamente...ma nn capisco\n<jumpysnake> nino: riguardo a cosa?\n<nino> mi e' stato detto di modificare la partizione ma nn so come si fa\n<jumpysnake> si ma cosa devi fare?qual è il problema?\n<nino> ho problemi di aggiornamenti sia di ubuntu che di qualsiasi programma\n<jumpysnake> mmmmm...ma non dovrebbe essere un prob di partizione...errori?\n<nino> tanti...\n<jumpysnake> tipo?\n<nino> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612002/\n<Dig> forse ha l' hd pieno\n<embryo> jester sei un mito\n<nino> capito?\n<embryo> grazie\n<embryo> fatto\n<embryo> era la connessione come dicevi tu\n<nino> jester\n<embryo> ora dal gestore paccheti posso laciare il server da te indicato per tutti gli aggiornamenti?\n<jumpysnake> nino: sei su una live?\n<nino> no...\n<jumpysnake> se vuoi modificare la partizione devi avviare la live o un altro so\n<nino> con gparted no?\n<jumpysnake> si sempre con gparted...ma devi smontare la partizione di ubuntu...ed ora non te lo permete...quindi avvia una live o un altro so\n<nino> ma questo mi permette di reinstallare ubuntu senza formattare?\n<cicciocele> jester ho installato il tutto ...con windows in parallelo in un'altra partizione ma all'avvio ...mi parte solo con windows e non mi fa scegliere\n<jumpysnake> ma non devi reinstallare niente...devi solo avviare una live (prova ubuntu)\n<jumpysnake> nino: riavvio\n<nino> ma a cosa mi serve questo...\n<Synaptic> Buona sera, vorrei delle info gentilmente, da quando ho aggiornato la mia 10.10 alla 11.04 sono incappato in qualche bug... la qualità grafica del mio desktop è peggiorata... alcune finestre non sono più fluide come prima, e spesso ci sono bug grafici, e poi non mi partono più i giochi avviati con steam\n<cicciocele> salve a tutti ho bisogno di una delucidazione\n<cicciocele> ho installato ubuntu su una partizione diversa da quella dovbe ho win7\n<Synaptic> cicciocele, scrivi, se qualcuno sà qualcosa risponderà \n<cicciocele> ma all'avvio mi da solo win7\n<Synaptic> cicciocele, hai installato prima ubuntu o prima win7?\n<cicciocele> se entro in windows non mi compare la partizione\n<Dig> cicciocele, hai instllato prima ubuntu e poi win?\n<cicciocele> win7 fa parte del pc...oggi dopo qualche mese ho installato ubuntu\n<cicciocele> in parallelo\n<cicciocele> non l'ho sostituito\n<Dig> hai la live di ubuntu?\n<cicciocele> cosa è la live?\n<Synaptic> cicciocele, devi ripristinare L'MBR\n<Synaptic> !mbr\n<ubot-it> Per ripristinare MBR: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/RipristinoMbrWindows\n<cicciocele> e come si fa\n<cicciocele> si ma io non riesco ad entrar ein ubuntu\n<cicciocele> ho solo win7\n<Synaptic> ci entri tramite il CD di Ubuntu,\n<Synaptic> in modalità live\n<Synaptic> utilizzi la live CD\n<cicciocele> quindi riavvio il pc da cd?\n<Dig> cicciocele, la live è il cd che serve per installare ubuntu\n<Synaptic> esattamente.. e avvii ubuntu come LIVE-CD\n<Dig> cicciocele, si\n<Synaptic> poi segui la guida\n<Synaptic> Dig, ho un vuoto di memoria.. una volta ripristinato l'mbr va reinstallato grub?\n<Dig> Synaptic, ma se reinstalla grub non risolve?\n<Synaptic> prima resetta l'mbr... poi reinstalla grub... è meglio fare così\n<Dig> cicciocele, comunque da win7 non vedrai mai Ubuntu. Win legge solo file sistem NTFS e FAT\n<cicciocele> ah ok grazie per la info\n<cicciocele> quindi non devo fare il procedimento inverso cioè far riconoscere a win7 il nuovo ubuntu?\n<Synaptic> no\n<Dig> cicciocele, win riconosce solo se stesso\n<Dig> e certe volte nemmeno se stesso\n<Synaptic> devi far in modo che all'avvio appaia grub.. cosi da poter scegliere cosa avviare.. per fare questo devi ripristinare MBR e reinstallare grub.. facendolo tramite live-cd\n<cicciocele> dice che devo scaricare ms-sys\n<cicciocele> facendo partire dal cd mi da try ubuntu e install ubuntu\n<Synaptic> scaricalo una volta che sei dentro la live-cd... se lo scarichi su win non ti serve a niente\n<Synaptic> devi selezionare try ubuntu\n<cicciocele> ok fatto....adesso dovrei scaricare ms-sys dove lo trovo?\n<Dig> Synaptic, i crash i quale file log li trovo?\n<Synaptic> Dig, prova qui: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-gnome-system-log-viewer/\n<Synaptic> cicciocele, ubuntu 32 o 64 bit?\n<cicciocele> 64\n<cicciocele> ma mi da un'altra tastiera non italiana o almeno non come quella del mio notebook\n<Synaptic> lo scarichi da questo indirizzo http://ubuntu.mirror.cambrium.nl/ubuntu//pool/universe/m/ms-sys/ms-sys_2.1.0-1_amd64.deb\n<Synaptic> all'avvio della live-cd ti chiedeva che tipo di \"language\" vuoi... dovevi selezionare Italiano..\n<Synaptic> ormai o ti arrangi con la tastiera straniera.. o riavvii e rilanci la live-cd mettendo lingua italiana\n<cicciocele> riavvio\n<Synaptic> !grub\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<cicciocele> mi chiede una user e password\n<Dig> cicciocele, hai avviato da live?\n<cicciocele> si\n<cicciocele> con la versione di prova\n<Dig> sei connesso alla rete?\n<cicciocele> aspe cistro riprovando ho riavviato\n<cicciocele> si sono connesso alla rete\n<Dig> stai riavviando la live?\n<cicciocele> si ancora una volta in italiano\n<Dig> cicciocele, sei connesso alla rete via cavo?\n<cicciocele> si\n<Dig> sai cos'è il terminale vero? mi pare che sei alle prime armi\n<cicciocele> è il primo giorno...si però so cosa è\n<cicciocele> dato che è da questa mattina che tentavo invano di far andare internet poi riformattando sembrava andare\n<Dig> quando è avviato lancia il terminale\n<cicciocele> ok e cosa devo fare?.. non devo prima scaricare ms-sys?\n<Dig> dovresti seguire questa guida http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/RipristinoMbrWindows\n<cicciocele> ma ho lanciato la lan in itliano e mi da sempre tutto in inglese....\n<cicciocele> come faccio a capire in quale unità ho windows\n<Dig> il files system è NTFS\n<Innerina> Come ripristino le interfacce attorno alle finestre???\n<Innerina> (per intenderci dove c'è il titolo dell'applicazione, il contorno insomma)\n<Dig> cicciocele, fatto?\n<cicciocele> il problema è che ne ho tanti ntfs\n<Dig> c'è uno con *\n<cicciocele> si è quello?\n<gionnico> ciao\n<gionnico> qualche appassionato di strategici real time fa una partita a spacezero con me?\n<Dig> cicciocele, da li si avvia il tuo pc\n<cicciocele> ascolta ho scaricato ms-sys\n<cicciocele> e so che * è su sda2\n<cicciocele> devo avviare ms-sys o procedo solo sul terminale\n<Dig> cicciocele, ms sys l'hai installato?\n<cicciocele> no\n<Dig> cicciocele, lo devi installare\n<cicciocele> mi da un crash....\n<cicciocele> e non lo installa\n<cicciocele> è normale\n<cicciocele> ?\n<cicciocele> mi dice che il sistema si è chiudo inaspettatamente\n<Dig> cicciocele, hai un pc vecchio?\n<cicciocele> no\n<cicciocele> è a 64 bit\n<Dig> cicciocele, scusa se ti richiedo. Hai installato prima win7 e poi hai installato ubuntu?\n<cicciocele> prima win7(da un anno) e oggi ubuntu\n<Dig> cicciocele, hai scaricato il file ms-sys per 64bit giusto?\n<cicciocele> si\n<Dig> cicciocele, come hai provato a installarlo?\n<cicciocele> l'ho scaricato e poi avviato con ubuntu software center\n<cicciocele> adesso non mi ha ridato l'errore l'ho preso da un altro mirror\n<cicciocele> ora cosa digito?\n<cicciocele> sudo ms-sys -w /dev/sd2 ??\n<fiamma> ubuntu 11.4 updatato dalla precedente versione, funziona tutto bene ma vorrei levare la barra in stile mac..e riavere i menu e la barra delle applicazioni come prima..(in fondo allo schermo)\n<cicciocele> mi dice unable to open /dev/sd2 no such file or directory\n<Dig> cicciocele, ok\n<jumpysnake> notte\n<DareDevil> alla mia gatta piace Ubuntu http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/23/DSC04893.JPG\n<DareDevil> :)\n<Dig> cicciocele, proviamo un'altra cosa\n<cicciocele> mi dice unable to automaticly select boot sector\n<cicciocele> it is an unknow boot record\n<cicciocele> dice /dev/sda2 has an x86 boot sector\n<Dig> cicciocele, mi posti il risultato di fdisk\n<cicciocele> ascolta sono su un altro pc\n<cicciocele> dovrei chiudere e scriverti dal portatile\n<Dig> asp\n<Dig> cicciocele, avvia firefox e vieni qui http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-it\n<cicciocele2> eccomi\n<Dig> posta qui http://pastebin.ubuntu.com\n<cicciocele2> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 1 1567 12582912 27 Unknown /dev/sda2 * 1567 1580 102400 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda3 1580 39777 306817024 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda4 39777 77826 305626113 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/sda5 39777 47230 59866112 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda6 47230 7\n<Dig> qui http://pastebin.ubuntu.com\n<cicciocele2> l'ho postato\n<Dig> cicciocele, mi devi dare il link\n<cicciocele2> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/612040/\n<Dig> cicciocele, ok, proviamo questo\n<Dig> sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt\n<cicciocele> non ha dato nulla di speciale\n<Dig> cicciocele, sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev\n<Dig> cicciocele, sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc\n<cicciocele> io copio di preciso quello che tu scrivi compreso gli spazi vuoit\n<bobbybong1> dig vuoi farlo andare in chroot sulla partizione di windows\n<Dig> bobbybong1, altromenti come fa?\n<cicciocele> ma come mai mi da questo problema......è una procedura normale o come mai capita questo\n<bobbybong1> linux e sulla partizione sda7\n<cicciocele2> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/612042/\n<cicciocele2> si è sulla 7\n<Broc> ciao a tutti!\n<Dig> azz si è sulla 7\n<bobbybong1> e non ha files di swap questa installazione\n<cicciocele2> no\n<Broc> avrei una domanda\n<Broc> ho già chiesto nel forum ma il mio thread è scivolato via senza risposta\n<Dig> bobbybong1, ormai non gli conviene spostare l'avvio su sda7 e reinstallare grub?\n<Broc> praticamente mi è sparita l'icona di dolphin\n<bobbybong1> si\n<cicciocele> io posso sempre formattare il tutto....e ripartire\n<Broc> qualcuno sa spiegarmi perché\n<Broc> e come fare a recuperarla?\n<bobbybong1> cicciocele, e reistalli bene\n<cicciocele> io credevo di aver reinstallato bene...l'unica cosa io non voglio eliminare windows\n<Dig> cicciocele, usa una guida video per non sbagliare\n<cicciocele> e vorrei entrambi i sistemi all'avvio in modo che posso scegliere\n<Broc> c'è qualcuno che mi aiuta???\n<cicciocele> avete qualche link di riferimento?\n<bobbybong1> quando reinstalli scegli la sda7\n<cicciocele> si l'avevo fatto\n<bobbybong1> !installazione\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<cicciocele> ma una sola cosa c'è qualche impostazione per avere entrambe le scelte dei SO all'avvio o devo sempre installare con la live ms-sys?\n<Dig> cicciocele, se segui la guida potrai scegliere\n<bobbybong1> se hai un istallazione senza problemi come spesso avviene hai entrambi i sistemi operativi\n<Dig> bobbybong1, dai uno sguardo a questo? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/612029/\n * Broc aspetta pazientemente che qualcuno si accorga di lui =)\n<cicciocele> grazie a tutti\n<Broc> uff chi mi può rispondere?\n<bobbybong1> Dig, cosa vuol dire ? che cosa non riesci a fare?\n<bobbybong1> Broc, se facessi una domanda\n<Broc> bobbybong1: l'ho già fatta sopra\n<Broc> mi è sparita l'icona di dolphin, file manager\n<Broc> come faccio a recuperarla?\n<bobbybong1> dal menu?\n<Broc> sì\n<Dig> bobbybong1, certe volte abbasso lo schermo del portatile si spegne lo schermo (come ho selezionato io) quando lo rialzo il pc non risponde più. Mi è capitato due o tre volte\n<bobbybong1> Broc, vai su sistema cerca dolphin tasto destro del mouse aggiungi ai preferiti\n<Broc> bobbybong1: è quello il problema... è sparito anche da lì\n<bobbybong1> Dig, devi mettere una password per riaccedere?\n<Broc> e me lo son ritrovato in \"oggetti smarriti\", senza l'icona...\n<Dig> bobbybong1, no. non funziona manco alt-ctrl-f2 devo per forza tenere premuto il pulsante di avvio.\n<bobbybong1> Broc, magari non funzionerà prova a cambiare set di icone\n<Broc> come?\n<bobbybong1> Dig, non è che hai provato wailand\n<bobbybong1> ?\n<Dig> bobbybong1, no.\n<bobbybong1> Broc, system-setting\n<Dig> bobbybong1, speravo di trovare qualche traccia dell'errore in un file log\n<bobbybong1> aspetto applicazie dalla reteoni Broc puoi scaricarne di nuov\n<Broc> ok\n<bobbybong1> :)\n<bobbybong1> spero hai capito\n<bobbybong1> Dig, i files di log sono in /var/log/\n<Broc> bobbybong1: no ma il problema non è questo o.o\n<Broc> ho scaricato un tema... apro la cartella dove l'ho scaricato con dolphin e non vede il file...\n<Dig> bobbybong1, e si lo so...ma io non è che ci capisca nulla.\n<Broc> anche abilitando la visualizzazione file nascosti\n<bobbybong1> Broc, se lo scarichi con il browser lo mette in Scaricati nella tua home\n<Broc> infatti\n<Broc> ma lì non c'è\n<bobbybong1> ma ci sono dei temi che installi direttamente\n<Broc> no, ha scaricato un .deb\n<Broc> e l'ho aperto da chrome\n<Broc> ma nella cartella non c'è\n<Broc> o almeno, non lo vedo con dolphin\n<Broc> e tra l'altro la stessa cosa mi è successa pomeriggio con un altro file scaricato...\n<Dig> notte ragazzi\n<bobbybong1> guarda in tmp/kde-tuo_user\n<bobbybong1> Broc,\n<filo1234> be controlla dove dolphin salva i file scaricati\n<Broc> bobbybong1: in che?\n<Broc> ah ok\n<Broc> bobbybong1: e cosa dovrei trovare in quella cartella?\n<bobbybong1> il files che hai scaricato con il set di icone\n<Broc> filo1234: no, scaricati con chrome, e li salva nella cartella \"scaricati\"\n<Broc> ma lì dolphin non li vede\n<Broc> bobbybong1: non c'è nulla\n<Broc> e il file si trova effettivamente nella cartella scaricati\n<Broc> ma dolphin non lo vede\n<bobbybong1> potevi trovare un set di icione che si installava direttamente da li senza che dovesse richiamare chrome\n<Broc> bobbybong1: si ma non è il problema delle icone, perché mi è successa la stessa cosa anche con un altro file xD\n<Broc> bobbybong1: :( che faccio?\n<bobbybong1> Broc, non so a me non mi è mai capitato dalla console riesci a vedere i files?\n<bobbybong1> ls Scalicati\n<bobbybong1> Scaricati\n<Broc> bobbybong1: sì\n<Broc> sia il .deb di adesso\n<Broc> sia quello che avevo scaricato prima\n<filo1234> forse hai qualche impostazione su dolphin tipo mostra file txt e non tutti roba del genere....non uso doplhin da quando avevo il ciuccio\n<andrea1_> ho installato google chrome su ubuntu 11.04 pero' nel launcher dopo aver trasportato l'icona mi compare uno spazio vuoto e non il simbolo di chrome\n<zafira> jester non fuziona sempre la stessa storia\n<Broc> filo1234: no, non credo. piuttosto credo che questo rpoblema sia collegato al fatto\n<Broc> che oggi ho installato un altro file manager per curiosità ; da quando poi l'ho rimosso doplphin non ha più funzionato...\n<zul_> scusate ho fatto un casino sugli utenti di mysql. All'inizio avevo inserito a mano nel db mysql con la query \"insert into user bla bla bla\" l'utente pippo, poi ho cancellato la riga dell'utente pippo dal db mysql e ho cercato di ricrearlo con CREATE USER 'pippo'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'password' e mi dava un errore come se l'utente esistesse. Ora come faccio ad eliminare l'utente pippo?\n<zafira> me sa che sto' ubuntu e' na sola\n<Broc> bobbybong1: che dici?\n<zul_> scusate ho fatto un casino sugli utenti di mysql. All'inizio avevo inserito a mano nel db mysql con la query \"insert into user bla bla bla\" l'utente pippo, poi ho cancellato la riga dell'utente pippo dal db mysql e ho cercato di ricrearlo con CREATE USER 'pippo'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'password' e mi dava un errore come se l'utente esistesse. Ora come faccio ad eliminare l'utente pippo?\n<bobbybong1> sudo aptitude reinstall kubuntu-desktop Broc\n<Broc> bobbybong1: già fatto :)\n<Broc> non aptitude, ma apt-get\n<Broc> ma credo sia lo stesso\n<bobbybong1> Broc, l'ultima che mi viene in mente e quella di rinominare la cartella .kde nella tua home e riavviare\n<filo1234> install --reinstall\n<zafira> salve gente\n<zafira> una domanda\n<Broc> filo1234: sudo apt-get --reinstall install kubuntu-desktop, lo so =)\n<Broc> bobbybong1: a cosa servirebbe?\n<filo1234> eh ma magari altri che leggono no\n<zafira> che differenza c'e' tra la i386 e amd64??\n<filo1234> Broc: ah bene lo sai, ma non sai a cosa serve\n<filo1234> zafira: che una è per processori 32bit e l'altra per processori 64bit\n<Broc> filo1234: non so a cosa serve rinominare la cartella .kde ...\n<filo1234> ps: la 32 bit puoi usarela anche per un proc 64bit\n<zafira> quindi io ho un q9550\n<zafira> quale devo scaricare?\n<zafira> 8gb di ram\n<filo1234> Broc: ah ..be serve a resettare le impostazioni al default....nel senso che quando riapri il programma, lo stesso ricrea una cartella .programma con le impostazioni di default\n<bobbybong1> zafira, 64bit\n<zafira> ma non funziona\n<Broc> proviamo a riavviare e vediamo se esplode\n<Broc> torno subito\n<filo1234> non c'è bisogno di riavviare\n<filo1234> -.-\n<zafira> ora provo a tirar giu' la studio che dovrebbe essere quella che seve a me per i montaggi video\n<filo1234> lascia perdere\n<zafira> le altre si bloccano\n<filo1234> prendi una desktop e ti installii programmi che ti servono\n<zafira> ma non mi parte\n<filo1234> vabè prova\n<Broc> ok vediamo se va\n<Broc> bobbybong1: filo1234 ehi, ora funziona!\n<bobbybong1> :)\n<zafira> ma la dicitura amd64 va bene anche per intel\n<filo1234> quindi avevi qualche impostazione at cazzem\n<Broc> solo che boh, si è incasinato tutto.... non ho più icone sul desktop, il set di caratteri è cambiato\n<filo1234> zafira: si\n<zafira> perche' finito di installare al riavvio mi da schermo nero con solo il puntatore del mouse\n<Broc> filo1234: mi piacerebbe sapere quale...\n<bobbybong1> notte\n<Broc> filo1234: poi mi ha cambiato set di caratteri ma io non l'avevo cambiato in precedenza.... come torno a quello di prima? =)\n<giulia> ciao\n<giulia> ho trovato il problema dei miei temi\n<giulia> una questione di index file che manca\n<giulia> ma l'unico problema per il quale mi sto sbattendo la testa è : dove trovo il nome del tema di icone nel foglio di stile gtk &\n<giulia> ?\n<ccc> ciao a tutti\n<ccc> non riesco a modificare il comandi del lanciatore di skype\n<Deindre> ccc: in che senso?\n<Deindre> spiegati meglio\n<ccc> viao Deindre\n<Deindre> ciao ccc\n<ccc> per far funzionare la webcam integrata\n<Deindre> scusa continuo a non capire\n<Deindre> la webcam la selezioni dalla preferenze\n<Deindre> che c'entra il lanciatore?\n<ccc> prima modificavo il lanciatore di skype con un comando per far utilizzare la libreria libv4\n<filo1234> ccc: da terminale dai alacarte vai su skype>selezionie modifichi il comando\n<filo1234> devi mettere LD_PRELOAD ecc..eccc..?\n<ccc> sì filo1234\n<Deindre> filo1234: grazie\n<filo1234> Deindre: prego, di che?\n<filo1234> :P\n<Deindre> filo1234: ti si vede sabato?\n<filo1234> non ce la faccio ho un matrimonio\n<Deindre> :(\n<filo1234> ogni volta ne ho una\n<Deindre> già \n<ccc> filo1234, avevo già fatto qil cambio\n<ccc> ma non va\n<filo1234> ccc: se dai il comando da terminale?\n<ccc> sì\n<filo1234> ccc: ma lanci skype dal lanciatore che hai modificato o da un altrolanciatore creato da te o inserito nella barra?\n<ccc> ho modificato il lanciatore di skype\n<ccc> che ho inserito permanentemente su unity\n<filo1234> si ma tu lanci quello modificato? ossia dal menu applicazioni?\n<ccc> dalla barra sinistra di unity\n<filo1234> credo che debba rimeetercelo dopo la modifica\n<filo1234> lancalo dal menu\n<ccc> un attimo\n<filo1234> lancialo\n<filo1234> o magari devi riavviare la sessione\n<ccc> menù applicazioni?\n<filo1234> si\n<ccc> niente\n<filo1234> vai in /usr/share/applications/\n<filo1234> bedi se hai un qualcosa con skype.desktop\n<ccc> no solo skype\n<filo1234> ccc: ls /usr/share/applications/ | grep skype\n<ccc> sì c'è\n<filo1234> gksudo gedit /usr/share/applications/skype.desktop\n<filo1234> nella riga Exec= cos'hai?\n<ccc> skype\n<ccc> devo inserire il comando lì?\n<filo1234> si tra virgolette\n<filo1234> \"LD_PRELOAD ......\"\n<ccc> ok\n#ubuntu-it 2011-05-24\n<ccc> e il lanciatore dell'unity lo lascio con quale comando?\n<filo1234> cancellalo\n<ccc> e come lo lancio skype?\n<filo1234> i lanciatori rimettili come in origine\n<filo1234> anche quello modificato con alacarte prima\n<ccc> niente\n<filo1234> poi comanderà quel file senza modificare i comandi\n<filo1234> ccc: ma il comando se lo lanci da terminale funziona?\n<ccc> mettendo il comando skype non va il video\n<ccc> il comando sì\n<filo1234> riavvia la sessione\n<ccc> lancia skype e fa funzionare ila webcam\n<ccc> ok\n<filo1234> poi lancia skype da terminale senza il preload\n<filo1234> solo skype\n<ccc> ok\n<ccc> rientro\n<filo1234> dovrebbe leggere da quel file\n<ccc> filo1234, niente da fare se digito skype parte il programma ma non funziona la webcam\n<ccc> invece se digito il comando su terminale la webcam va\n<filo1234> spetta che provo\n<ccc> ok, grazie\n<filo1234> togli le virgolette dal comando ccc\n<ccc> ok\n<ccc> non va, riavvio la sessione e vediamo\n<filo1234> ccc: spe\n<filo1234> nel comando prima di preload aggiungi bash\n<filo1234> bash LD_PRELOAD blabla\n<ccc> filo1234, niente non va neanche senza virgolette\n<filo1234> hai messo bash?\n<filo1234> nel comando prima di preload aggiungi bash\n<filo1234> bash LD_PRELOAD blabla\n<ccc> ok\n<ccc> niente\n<filo1234> dammi un attimo che non mi funzia più nulla\n<ccc> ok\n<uragano2> Buonasera!\n<uragano2> ho creato uno script che deve essere avviato come ultimo all'avvio, ho eseguito i passi necessari ma a volte funziona e a volte no\n<glpiana> ola\n * realnot hi guys\n<Odo> Giorno\n<massimo18> Buon Giorno\n<Mauy> ciao a tutti ho un problema con un pc fisso se faccio partire la live da cd va senza problemi quando poi gli dico di installare installa senza problemi, ma al primo riavvio dopo l'installazione il computer non carica il sistema operativo\n<glpiana> Mauy, non carica e da errore?\n<Mauy> no schermo nero acceso ma nero\n<glpiana> Mauy, scheda video nvidia?\n<Mauy> si\n<glpiana> Mauy, all'avvio vedi il menu di grub?\n<Mauy> no\n<glpiana> Mauy, all'avvio quando vedi i messaggi del bios premi e mantieni rpemuto il tasto shift fino a che ppare il menu di grub\n<glpiana> Mauy, poi premi il tasto \"e\"\n<Mauy> provo\n<glpiana> Mauy, ti piazzi alla fine della riga che termina con quiet splash e aggiungi l'opzione nomodeset\n<glpiana> Mauy, poi premi ctrl+x\n<glpiana> Mauy, se va, poi mettiamo a posto\n<Mauy> dopo quiet splash ho altre cose scritte esattamente dove devo inserire nomodeset\n<glpiana> Mauy, in fondo alla riga\n<Stanwell> buongiorno a tutti\n<Mauy> ok è possibile che vada a capo o la riga finisce e non va a capo\n<Stanwell> un amico mio ha reinstallato ubuntu 10.10 ma non funziona il wifi, su iwconfig non spunta alcuna interfaccia e da lspci spunta un 00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 90), però mi diceva che prima si connetteva in wireless normalmente con la stessa versione di ubuntu\n<Mauy> no non avvia ho notato che mi resta la luce hdd accesa fissa e comunque sabato ho provato ad installare anche con una scheda video matrox e avevo lo stesso problema\n<Stanwell> qualche idea per \"risvegliare\" il modulo wifi?\n<glpiana> Stanwell, a me è successo su una macchina che \"sparisse\" la scheda wifi. io ti direi di controllare che gli aggiornamenti siano a posto e darei un sudo dpkg --configure -a\n<Stanwell> sono in contatto telefonico con l'amico disperato\n<Stanwell> glpiana, stamattina via cavo s'è collegato tranquillamente\n<Stanwell> però in alto a destra\n<Stanwell> mi dice che non appare nulla che possa riguardare wifi e similari\n<glpiana> Stanwell, digli di dare: sudo dpkg --configure -a\n<glpiana> Stanwell, poi sudo apt-get update e sudo apt-get dist-upgrade visto che può connettersi.\n<glpiana> poi gli dici di riavviare e ridare lspci\n<Stanwell> tutti questi comandi\n<glpiana> troppi?\n<Stanwell> vanno dati da connesso?\n<Stanwell> ahah nono :D\n<glpiana> Stanwell, il primo anche senza connessione, gli altri sì\n<Stanwell> oki\n<Stanwell> 1 attimo\n<Stanwell> dopo il --configure non ha output\n<Stanwell> visivi\n<Stanwell> normale?\n<glpiana> normale\n<Stanwell> ok\n<Stanwell> sta rivviando il pc\n<Stanwell> glpiana, cosa devo dirgli di individuare dopo lspci?\n<glpiana> fatti dare lspci\n<glpiana> !paste | Stanwell\n<ubot-it> Stanwell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<giordano> salve a tutti/e , ho un problema la mia scheda wi -fi vede la mia rete ma non mi fa connettere, cosa posso fare?\n<glpiana> giordano, che scheda wifi è?\n<Stanwell> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/612203/\n<glpiana> Stanwell, ma non è che ha una wifi usb?\n<giordano> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612204/\n<glpiana> giordano, la prism... eri già stato qui vero?\n<Stanwell> glpiana, mi ha più volte confermato che si è sempre connesso senza problemi\n<glpiana> Stanwell, non mi hai risposto\n<Stanwell> sì anche\n<glpiana> -.-\n<giordano> si, come ho detto prima la rete wi-fi del mio ruter la vede, ma non mi fa connettere\n<Stanwell> una tp-link\n<glpiana> giordano, hai protezioni sul router?\n<Stanwell> ma si connetteva senza di essa\n<giordano> si\n<glpiana> Stanwell, quindi stiamo parlando di una scheda interna\n<Stanwell> esatto\n<glpiana> giordano, prova a togliere la protezione e vedi se si connette\n<mikunos> salve a tutti\n<Stanwell> ciao\n<glpiana> Stanwell, digli di controllare se il bios la vede. altra cosa che può fare è avviare da livecd e dare lspci per vedere se la vede\n<mikunos> perchè il mio ubuntu al click di apertura di qualsiasi cartella mi visualizza un gestore di files diverso dal vecchio nautilus?\n<mikunos> Non riesco ad utilizzare gli scripts e molte altre funzioni\n<glpiana> mikunos, fa vedere una schermata\n<glpiana> !image | mikunos\n<ubot-it> mikunos: Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<Stanwell> glpiana, qualcosa nelle sue parole mi ha fatto intuire che sta per spazientirsi ahahahahah\n<Stanwell> comunque sta controllando via bios\n<glpiana> Stanwell, ha anche windows sul pc?\n<Stanwell> no, soltanto ubuntu\n<mikunos> glpiana\n<mikunos> http://imagebin.org/154780\n<glpiana> mikunos, vai su aiuto -> informazioni\n<mikunos> Thunar è un gestore di file veloce e facile\n<mikunos> da usare per l'ambiente grafico Xfce.\n<glpiana> mikunos, e come mai hai thunar? hai mezzo xubuntu?\n<mikunos> no\n<mikunos> ho solamente fatto l'aggiornamento tempo fa\n<giordano> quando compare la rete mi dice di inserire la key di accesso, e comunque non va\n<glpiana> mikunos, i programmi non van su da soli\n<glpiana> mikunos, dpkg -l | grep xubuntu\n<glpiana> !paste | mikunos\n<ubot-it> mikunos: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Stanwell> giordano, dopo che inserisci la key cosa ti dice?\n<glpiana> giordano, ma hai levato la chiave dal router?\n<mikunos> dpkg -l | grep xubuntu non da alcun risultato\n<glpiana> mikunos, dpkg -l | grep xfce\n<giordano> va in ricezione e dice che è fuori rete\n<mikunos> http://pastie.org/1965271\n<Stanwell> glpiana, sto iniziando a rabbrividire\n<glpiana> mikunos, ok, hai installato xfce. l'hai fatto seguendo qualche guida ad mentulam canis?\n<glpiana> Stanwell, ???\n<Stanwell> sta insinuandosi nel mio cervello l'idea che il wifi non ci sia affatto in quel portatile\n<glpiana> eh\n<glpiana> Stanwell, sa anche a me\n<Stanwell> mi faccio dare modello esatto e controllo io sul web\n<Stanwell> credo che sarà la prima persona a morire di ubuntu\n<mikunos> glpiana tu non ci crederai ma non ho installato quell'applicazione volontariamente, sarò stato rapito dagli ALIENI!?\n<mikunos> come posso ripristinare il pc?\n<glpiana> mikunos, esatto, non ci credo. termina sessione e rifai il login. dimmi cosa leggi come sessione in basso\n<mikunos> dovrebbe esserci Ubuntu\n<mikunos> Ubuntu Classic\n<glpiana> mikunos, oki, resetta gnome\n<mikunos> ?!\n<glpiana> !gnomereset | mikunos\n<ubot-it> mikunos: Per resettare gnome alle sue impostazioni di default rinominare le cartelle nascoste nella propria home .gnome2 .config .gconf .gconfd .gnome2_private e riavviare la sessione\n<glpiana> mikunos, cioè si potrebbe provare con qualcosa di meno traumatico\n<mikunos> tipo?\n<glpiana> però così va a posto pulito, visto che non sappiamo cosa hanno fatto gli spiriti sul tuo pc\n<glpiana> mikunos, tipo: se clicchi su risorse -> home cosa si apre?\n<mikunos> Io ho .gnome, .gnome2, .gnome2_private\n<glpiana> mikunos, se clicchi su risorse -> home cosa si apre?\n<Stanwell> glpiana, abbiamo appurato che il mitico asus a4000 NON HA modulo wifi per la mia felicità \n<glpiana> Stanwell, lol\n<DareDevil> vorrei porre alla vostra attenzione questo http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/23/DSC04893.JPG\n<glpiana> Stanwell, si collegava con la forza del pensiero?\n<glpiana> DareDevil, carino, ma sei off topic qui\n<Stanwell> glpiana, sarà stato il pentagono\n<glpiana> !chat | DareDevil\n<ubot-it> DareDevil: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<DareDevil> cavolo non me ne sono accorto! scusate\n<glpiana> :)\n<Stanwell> glpiana, beh grazie lo stesso e scusa per il tempo perso\n<glpiana> :)\n<Mauy> glpiana, ti è venuto in mente qualcosa per il mio problema di avvio???\n<Stanwell> avresti potuto raccontare agli amici di aver fatto funzionare il wifi anche in un laptop dove non c'è\n<glpiana> Mauy, avvia in recovery e dimmi cosa fa\n<glpiana> Stanwell, LOL\n<Mauy> ok\n<Stanwell> mi spiace :D\n<Stanwell> un saluto a tutto il canale\n<Stanwell> a presto\n<Mauy> si ferma qundo mi da le info sul masterizzatore\n<Mauy> petta mi da un allert\n<Mauy> dev/disk/by-uuid......... does not exist dropping to a shell\n<glpiana_> Mauy, un secondo solo\n<Mauy> ok\n<glpiana> eccomi di nuovo\n<glpiana> problema alla rtee\n<glpiana> *rete\n<Mauy> rete?\n<glpiana> scrivevo: Mauy, e non va oltre? avvia con livecd\n<glpiana> Mauy, sì io ho avuto un problema alla rete e mi son disconnesso\n<Mauy> no ok adesso riavvio da live\n<Mauy> preciso che l'hardware è tutto testato però ho notato che da live avvia ma anche li siblocca per un po con la luce hdd accesa fissa\n<glpiana> Mauy, dimmi quando la live si è avviata\n<Mauy> ok\n<ndi> ciao\n<mikunos> glpiana: mikunos, se clicchi su risorse -> home cosa si apre? mi apre sempre thunar\n<glpiana> mikunos, ok, apri un terminale\n<mikunos> con tutte le cartelle nascoste\n<glpiana> mikunos, scrivi: nautilus\n<glpiana> lo apre?\n<mikunos> si correttamente\n<glpiana> mikunos, clicca col destro su una directory e sceli: apri con altra applicazione\n<glpiana> mikunos, scegli apri cartella e spunta affinchè lo ricordi\n<mikunos> ok\n<mikunos> ora?\n<glpiana> ora risorse -> home\n<glpiana> cosa apre?\n<mikunos> quale applicazione devo scegliere dal menu?!\n<mikunos> apri con altra applicazione =========> Quale applicazione?\n<glpiana> mikunos, scegli apri cartella e spunta affinchè lo ricordi <----- ma quante volte van scritte le cose?\n<mikunos> glpiana: non è chiaro ciò che hai scritto\n<glpiana> mikunos, aspetta\n<mikunos> glpiana: dopo aver fatto click con il tasto destro e scelto: apri con un altra applicazione appare una finestra e mi chiede, ovviamente l'applicazione\n<mikunos> quindi quale applicazione deve usare il sistema?\n<glpiana> mikunos, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/501082/Schermata-Apri%20con.png\n<glpiana> magari col disegno va meglio\n<mikunos> ok\n<mikunos> fatto\n<mikunos> non c'è la spunta per ricordare l'applicazione\n<glpiana> non si capiva dal messaggio: scegli apri cartella, che dovevi scegliere apri cartella?\n<mikunos> no\n<mikunos> comunque adesso il comportamento è lo stesso\n<mikunos> apre Thunar\n<glpiana> secondo me hai tocchicciato da qualche parte e non capisco perchè non dirlo. comunque, resetta gnome come indicato sopra\n<Mauy> live avviata, secondo mè è un problema di qualche hardware.... non voglio farti perdere tempo, non mi interessa una soluzione so lper questa volta devo poter avere una macchina su cui si installa da solo senza smanettamenti da parte mia o dell'utente se pensi che sia un problema tipo del disco dimmelo che lo cambio e provo\n<mikunos> glpiana: possa morire ma non ho toccato, VOLONTARIAMENTE, niente\n<glpiana> Mauy, apri il gestore dischi\n<Mauy> ok\n<glpiana> Mauy, fai il check del disco su cui hai installato. quando termina dimmelo che facciamo un'altra cosa\n<glpiana> mikunos, anzi fai una prova\n<mikunos> dimmi\n<glpiana> mikunos, vai sul tasto in alto a destra ed entra come guest per vedere come si comporta\n<mikunos> ok\n<glpiana> a tra poco\n<Mauy> lo sto facendo ma scusa se mi permetto ho gia testato il disco con hdd regenerator e non aveva nessun guasto è stata la prima cosa che ho pensato il disco difettoso\n<gerby> gerby\n<gerby> dvd italian\n<gionnico> qualcuno vuol giocare a spacezero 0.80 con me? mandatemi PM\n<zeitgeist000> salve, quando masterizzo un iso con brasero alla fine dice creating image checksum. Che serve sta roba posso fare cancel perche dura molto?\n<K99Brain> !chat | gionnico\n<ubot-it> gionnico: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<gionnico> zeitgeist000: sarebbe la verifica opzionale\n<gionnico> ma se l'hai messa fallo finire, però puoi masterizzare senza verificare l'immagine ma devi dirglielo prima\n<zeitgeist000> bo allora nne grave se faccio cancel? dura mezz ora\n<zeitgeist000> sai percaso dove lo imposto in modo che non me la fa?\n<gionnico> cancella pure\n<zeitgeist000> grazie mille\n<pivellino-ubuntu> ciao. Devo rimuovere un software che si chiama Dnetstats ma non lo trovo in ubuntu software center e neppure in gestore pacchetti, non riesco a rimuoverlo da terminale.\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: come lo hai installato? nemmeno io lo trovo nei repo\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib L'ho installato da terminale\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: con quale comando? hai prima scaricato qualcosa da internet o modificato i repo?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib L'ho installato mesi fa, mi pare che non ho modificato i repository. Credo che ho fatto tutto da terminale\n<giordano> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612225/\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: il nome che hai scritto è corretto? se sì: dpkg -l | grep dnetstats\n<enzotib> !pastebin | pivellino-ubuntu\n<ubot-it> pivellino-ubuntu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<giordano> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612225/\n<enzotib> giordano: cosa stai tentando di fare?\n<giordano> nulla, non mi ricordo come si apre la rete, se dal sito della netger a da ubuntu\n<enzotib> giordano: per prima cosa dhclient richiede il sudo\n<enzotib> giordano: iwconfig essid richiede una stringa (il sid, appunto), e sempre il sudo\n<ugone> Ciao a tutti\n<giordano> con la prima string la schell rimane immobile devo premere ctrl-c, per la seconda invede da lo sesso risultato\n<glpiana> Mauy, scusami ero via. a che punto sei?\n<glpiana> giordano, per togliere la password del router devi entrare nel router con il browser\n<Mauy> finito\n<glpiana> Mauy, il check intendi?\n<Mauy> si\n<glpiana> Mauy, oki, ora segui questa procedura:\n<glpiana> !grub | Mauy\n<ubot-it> Mauy: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<glpiana> Mauy, la guida del ripristino, devi seguirla fino al comando chroot incluso\n<glpiana> Mauy, dimmi quando ci sei\n<Mauy> ok\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib Scusa mi si è staccata la connessione\n<Mauy> alla seconda riga mi dice mount poin does not exist\n<glpiana> Mauy, questo? sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt\n<Mauy> no quella dopo\n<glpiana> questo? sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev\n<Mauy> si\n<glpiana> Mauy, controlla cosa scrivi\n<Mauy> ops ho dimenticato /\n<glpiana> Mauy, ascolta, devi fare moooolta attenzione quando fai ste cose, ok?\n<Mauy> si scusa\n<glpiana> Mauy, non è un problema per me, è per il tuo pc che lo dico ;)\n<giordano_> mi sono accorto che quando apro i video la finestra se ingrandita fa comparire un finestra nera.\n<Mauy> bhe mal che vada riparto tanto sono test comunque devo farlo il chroot\n<glpiana> Mauy, sì, a che punto sei?\n<Mauy> ok lo faccio e ci sono\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib Per caso hai trovato qualcosa su come rimuovere Dnetstats?\n<Mauy> ci sono\n<glpiana> Mauy, scrivi: dpkg --configure -a\n<Mauy> fatto\n<glpiana> Mauy, il pc è collegato alla rete?\n<Mauy> no\n<Mauy> adesso si\n<glpiana> Mauy, oki, digita: apt-get update\n<Mauy> fatto\n<glpiana> Mauy, apt-get dist-upgrade\n<Mauy> confermo?\n<glpiana> Mauy, vuole solo installare o anche rimuovere?\n<Mauy> solo installare\n<glpiana> oki, faglielo fare\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: ti avevo chiesto di dare un comando: dpkg -l | grep dnetstat\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib Ho dato ora il comando ma non è successo nulla\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: locate dnetstat\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib E' uscito /usr/bin/dnetstats che devo fare?\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: solo questo?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> si\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: perché senti l'esigenza di rimuoverlo, se il file è solo quello, non dovrebbe dare alcun fastidio\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib Quel software non mi serve, è da un sacco di tempo che non lo uso\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: un minuto\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: ho fatto una ricerca, vedo che è distribuito in formato sorgente, e non ha una vera e propria installazione, secondo me un rimuovere quel file dovrebbe essere sufficiente\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: sudo rm /usr/bin/dnetstats\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib Ho dato quel comando, inserita password e invio ma non è uscito nessun risultato\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: nessun errore, tutto a posto\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: fai anche un locate -i dnetstats\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib E' uscito /home/luca/.local/share/applications/DNetstats.desktop\n<pivellino-ubuntu> /usr/bin/dnetstats\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: ok, sei a posto, quell'output è un residuo nel db di locate, il file in effetti non c'è più, e anche i sorgenti probabilmente li hai già cancellati da tempo\n<enzotib> io vado, ciao\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib grazie\n<glpiana> Mauy, a che punto siamo?\n<Mauy> finito ora\n<glpiana> Mauy, digita: cat /etc/default/grub e metti su pastebin\n<glpiana> !paste | Mauy\n<ubot-it> Mauy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Mauy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612235\n<glpiana> Mauy, oki, ora riprendi la guida dal comando exit incluso in poi e riavvia il pc e vedi che fa.\n<glpiana> torno tra breve\n<glpiana> Mauy, alur?\n<Mauy> nada non avvia\n<glpiana> bah\n<glpiana> Mauy, riprova a entrare in grub\n<Mauy> in pratica mi hai fatto fare gli aggiornamenti giusto??'\n<glpiana> Mauy, sì\n<glpiana> Mauy, e dimmi dopo quiet spash cosa leggi\n<glpiana> *splash\n<Mauy> ok comunque ho gia provato a rifare tutto da capo tre volte e sempre lo stesso risultato penso possa essere un problema di incompatibilità di qualche hardware\n<Mauy> vt.handoff=7\n<glpiana> Mauy, cancella e poi dai ctrl+x\n<Mauy> ok\n<Mauy> idem\n<glpiana> Mauy, togli quello e scrivi acpi=off\n<Mauy> ok la scheda è vecchia però chipset via\n<glpiana> Mauy, leva anche quiet splash\n<Mauy> fatto continua a non avviare\n<glpiana> Mauy, vedi le scritte?\n<Mauy> yes\n<glpiana> Mauy, e dove si blocca?\n<Mauy> dopo il cd rom\n<glpiana> Mauy, il lettore cd è vuoto?\n<Mauy> si\n<glpiana> Mauy, se premi invio o ctrl+c va avanti?1\n<Mauy> ha scritto initramfs con invio\n<glpiana> Mauy, allora torna da livecd e segui pedissequamente la guida del ripristino di grub. installazione di grub compresa\n<Mauy> ok però vorrei sapere secondo te perchè mi da questo problema?\n<glpiana> Mauy, sto cercando di capire\n<glpiana> ma se si blocca lì mi sa che ci è installato male grub\n<glpiana> Mauy, prova. peggio di così non può andare in ogni caso\n<Mauy> si ma puo essere che grub si installi male per 3 o 4 formattazioni da 0\n<glpiana> Mauy, sì\n<Mauy> a me non interessa tanto il farlo funzionare ora mi interessa capire perchè non funziona\n<Mauy> ok riparto col ripristino\n<Mauy> petta forse ho letto un messaggio che puo aitarti a capire\n<Mauy> alert dev/disk/by-uuid/......... does not exist\n<glpiana> Mauy, appunto, reinstalla grub seguendo al guida del ripristino\n<Mauy> non è che ha problemi a veder il disco fisso??\n<Mauy> si ma la cosa che mi fa pensare è che pure caricando la live si blocca per un po con la luca hdd fissa prima di caricare\n<glpiana> Mauy, vabbè, dai fa quel che vuoi\n<Mauy> non voglio fare quel che voglio voglio capire tu sei bravo e aiuti tutti ma io vorrei arrivarci sto cercando di imparare come ragiona linux per imparare a cavarmela da solo come con win\n<glpiana> Mauy, allora durante l'installazione grub si installa male. per farlo partire devi fare il ripristino. l'errore dice che non vede il disco, ci sarà un problema di UUID ma fin che non ripristino grub no sapremo mai se è quello\n<Mauy> ok\n<Mauy> riprovo e grazie per la pazienza\n<Mauy> nel frattempo l'eventuale problema di uuid da cosa puo essere causato?\n<glpiana> Mauy, un difetto dell'installer? una incompatibilità hardware? io non lo so, non sono un tecnico\n<Mauy> ok anche io pensavo che poteva essere una incompatibilià hardware quindi potrei non avere torto è quello che interessa a me\n<nicolakor> ciao a tutti, ubuntu mi dà questo messaggio di errore nell'aggiornamento software http://pastebin.com/ydhLXsZm mi aiutate per favore?\n<DarkSun> uhm\n<DarkSun> forse ti conviene eliminare tutto il contenuto di /var/lib/apt/lists\n<nicolakor> provo?\n<MarconM> bongiorno\n<DarkSun> nicolakor: prova\n<nicolakor> sto aggiornando la lista..\n<nicolakor> DarkSun grazie mille, problema risolto... grazie ancora\n<DarkSun> di niente ;)\n<nicolakor> a presto\n<DarkSun> ciao\n<robbie> ciao raga! ho un problema con la scheda wifi del mio portatile! è un pc vecchio! scheda broadcom bcm4306! con ubuntu 10.04 riuscivo a farla funzionare tramite \"Driver aggiuntivi\" mentre ora trova solo i driver della scheda video ma non per il wifi! riuscite ad aiutarmi????? grazie! :)\n<cicciocele> ciao a tutti....ho installato ieri per la prima volta ubuntu e quindi sono inesperto...ora sono collegato via cavo lan c'è qualcuno che puo spiegARMI come settare per la WIFI ?? grazie\n<robbie> @cicciocele, prova ad andare in sistema, amministrazione, driver aggiuntivi! guarda se ti trova i driver per la tua scheda wifi! oppure se sono già installati premi sull'icona della connessione in alto a dx, clicca sul nome della rete ed inserisci la pass :)\n<ubottu-it> robbie: Error: \"cicciocele,\" is not a valid command.\n<robbie> cicciocele, prova ad andare in sistema, amministrazione, driver aggiuntivi! guarda se ti trova i driver per la tua scheda wifi! oppure se sono già installati premi sull'icona della connessione in alto a dx, clicca sul nome della rete ed inserisci la pass :)\n<massimo18> -.-\n<cicciocele> non mi compare nessuna rete se vado nelle reti senza fili in alto a dx\n<mtb-vero> salve, qualcuno sa se è possibile ''leggere'' con ubutu 11 uno smartphone ...windows (omnia900)\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<mtb-vero> giorno\n<Broc> ciao a tutti\n<Broc> ho una domanda\n<Broc> come posso cambiare il file manager impostato come default?\n<jester-> Broc: cioè?\n<Broc> dato che aprendo le cartelle dall'accesso rapido le apre con gwenview\n<Broc> mentre io vorrei visualizzarle con dolphin\n<Broc> jester-: dal menu K o come si chiama, se io vado su \"computer\" e apro ad esempio \"home\", non la apre con dolphin\n<jester-> Broc: curati peace- quando logga che è lui il the best kakkade expert\n<Broc> ma con gwenview che, essendo un visualizzatore di foto, non mi permette di veder tutti i file...\n<K99Brain> Broc, non uso kde da un po, ma prova a spulciare nel systemsettings\n<K99Brain> da qualche parte mi pare di ricordare che è impostabile\n<Broc> K99Brain: può essere in applicazioni prdefinite?\n<Broc> ah sì, trovato!\n<Broc> a posto\n<K99Brain> Broc, si, è possibile\n<cicciocele> ciao jester hai qualche minuto....vorrei settare il wifi se ti ricordi era in sospeso da ieri\n<jester-> cicciocele: fa vedere cosa risponde iwconfig\n<cicciocele2> scusami mi ridai il link dove posso copiare senza intasare\n<jester-> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<cicciocele2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612276/\n<jester-> cicciocele2: e lspci | grep -i network\n<cicciocele2> 03:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)\n<jester-> cicciocele2: sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree\n<tado> qualcuno sa come impostare la lente file & cartelle di modo che cerchi su tutto l'hard disk e non solo su home?\n<cicciocele2> jester -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612277/\n<jester-> cicciocele2: sudo iwlist wlan0 scan\n<cicciocele2> cicciocele@cicciocele-Aspire-4820TG:~$ sudo iwlist wlan0 scan wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down\n<cicciocele2> ci risiamo\n<jester-> cicciocele2: compare la wifi nell'icona?\n<cicciocele2> no per adesso no\n<jester-> cicciocele2: nel bios è abilitata?\n<cicciocele2> se non ricordo male ma non so dove ...dovrei dare qualche autorizzazione?\n<cicciocele2> si la lucina è accesa e in windows va\n<jester-> ti dovrebbe chiedere la pass\n<jester-> cicciocele2: rfkill list\n<cicciocele2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612280/\n<jester-> cicciocele2: sudo rfkill unblock all\n<jester-> cicciocele2: e non pigiare piu il tastino fn\n<cicciocele2> fatto\n<jester-> cicciocele2: guarda se compare nell'icon\n<jester-> a\n<cicciocele2> cosa manca ancora l'icona in alto a dx\n<cicciocele2> c'è solo l'icona della LAN e non del wifi\n<cicciocele2> posso fare qualche altra cosa?\n<jester-> cicciocele2: ridai rfkill list\n<cicciocele2> da lo stesso di prima\n<cicciocele2> jester io ci sono eventualmente ti vengono altre idee\n<jester-> cicciocele2: fa vedere\n<cicciocele2> è identico a quello di prima http://paste.ubuntu.com/612280/\n<jester-> cicciocele2: sudo rfkill unblock all\n<jester-> scrivi bene\n<cicciocele2> fatto\n<cicciocele2> io copio e incollo\n<jester-> cicciocele2: rfkill list\n<jester-> a vedere se è sbloccata\n<cicciocele2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612284/\n<jester-> cicciocele2: hai anche winzoz sul pc?\n<cicciocele2> scusami ma non ho mai utilizzato winzoz (o almeno non so cosa è)\n<jester-> cicciocele2: windows\n<cicciocele2> ah scusa\n<cicciocele2> si si c'è winzoz\n<cicciocele2> in parallelo\n<jester-> cicciocele2: allora vai in winzoz la fai collegare poi senza toccare niente riavvii in lunux\n<jester-> linux\n<cicciocele2> e quindi tolgo il cavo lan?\n<jester-> cicciocele2: yess\n<jester-> cicciocele2: pure in win togli la lan\n<cicciocele2> ok a tra poco\n<gigirock> raga n capisco na cosa.....una volta che saned e' in funzione....come faccio a fargli automaticamente fare le scansioni ?\n<jester-> gigirock: che è la domda trabocchetto? fai quella diriserva va\n<jester-> domanda*\n<cicciocele> jester in winzoz va....qui no\n<jester-> cicciocele: rfkill list è ancora bloccata?\n<cicciocele> si\n<jester-> cicciocele: sudo apt-get install wicd\n<gigirock> allora io ho uno scanner in rete ethernet ed un server ubuntu....una volta configurato il collegamento e messo in funzione saned....gli utenti si collegheranno a saned per sannerare.....ok ?\n<jester-> cicciocele: sudo dpkg --purge network-manager network-manager-gnome\n<gigirock> *scannerare\n<jester-> gigirock: occhei\n<gigirock> jester-: io voglio che gli utenti vadano sulla macchina scanner premano scan e il server fa la scansione e spedisce un file in una directory condivisa\n<jester-> gigirock: io ho una multifunzione in lan con cavo eth. ed è installata su tutti i pc\n<cicciocele> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612290/\n<jester-> cosi ognuno si fa i cazzi suoi\n<jester-> cicciocele: sudo dpkg --purge network-manager network-manager-gnome\n<gigirock> jester-: cosi ' ognuno mi spacca i maroni che non riescie a fare una scansione !!!!!\n<jester-> gigirock: è come se fosse attaccato diretto ad ogni pc in rete\n<jester-> gigirock: pacioccamenti particolari server da linuxari sadomaso rivolgerssi a remix_tj filo1234 & Odo\n<cicciocele> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612293/\n<gigirock> jester-: smack...... ma filo n c'e' e Odo n lo conosco e remix_tj di solito n mi considera\n<remix_tj> gigirock: eh non e' cosi' immediato\n<jester-> cicciocele: riavvia a avrai una icona di rete diversa\n<remix_tj> noi abbiamo dovuto comprare delle fotocopiatrici di rete\n<cicciocele> ok\n<BruceLeonardo> ciao a tutti\n<jester-> gigirock: la comodità di una stampante7scanner in ln è appunto che una volta installata su ogni pc la usano direttamente tutti\n<gigirock> remix_tj: infatti ma n esiste qualche progetto bell'efatto ?\n<BruceLeonardo> avrei bisogno di consigli a proposito di Ubuntu sul mio aspire one d 260\n<jester-> BruceLeonardo: dica\n<BruceLeonardo> grazie\n<remix_tj> gigirock: dovresti documentarti sul tuo scanner in linux se e' possibile rilevare il comando dello scanner, a quel punto si lancia qualche comando che acquisisce la scansione su un pdf\n<BruceLeonardo> allora\n<BruceLeonardo> ho installato nel mio aspire\n<BruceLeonardo> ubuntu 10.04\n<remix_tj> gigirock: di progetti gia' fatti purtroppo non ne conosco\n<BruceLeonardo> netbook\n<jester-> BruceLeonardo: 10.04?\n<BruceLeonardo> si\n<BruceLeonardo> è errato jester?\n<jester-> BruceLeonardo: stiamo avanti di 2 versioni\n<BruceLeonardo> funziona\n<gigirock> si ok remix_tj io sono gia' al punto che hp-scan fa na scansione.....quello che n capisco e' che ci faccio con saned\n<jester-> BruceLeonardo: ultima è 11.04\n<BruceLeonardo> lo so\n<BruceLeonardo> ma da chiavetta non riesco ad installare le versioni sucessive\n<BruceLeonardo> è anche questo vhe vi volevo chiedere\n<BruceLeonardo> ...\n<jester-> gigirock: hplip usa xsane ne piu ne meno\n<gigirock> BruceLeonardo: devi aggiornare il bios\n<jester-> BruceLeonardo: dovresti fare 2 passaggi e ti converebbe reinstallare diretto la 11.04\n<BruceLeonardo> come faccio? non è che sia espertissimo...\n<jester-> gigirock: ????\n<BruceLeonardo> avete un comando per terminale o che so un link ?\n<jester-> BruceLeonardo: per cosa\n<BruceLeonardo> dove posso seguire passo passo?\n<jester-> !usb\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/DaSupportoUsb\n<BruceLeonardo> per fare i due passaggi\n<jester-> !installazione\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<jester-> !natty\n<ubot-it> Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal: http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/ | Kubuntu 11.04: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/natty/ | à preferibile usare i torrent | problemi noti: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes\n<BruceLeonardo> oddio quanti link\n<BruceLeonardo> grazie\n<BruceLeonardo> allora\n<jester-> BruceLeonardo: i due passaggi li fai scaricando da internet e usando il gestore\n<pivellino-ubuntu> ciao. Stavo cercando di installare gmail-notify ma con la connessione lenta si è scaricato solo una parte. Ora quando provo ad installarlo dal software center mi dice che devo riparare l'installazione, clicco si e non riesco ad installarlo. Che faccio?\n<jester-> BruceLeonardo: leggi aggiornamento da 10.04 a 10.10\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: prova con apt-get -f install\n<BruceLeonardo> Jester: ho gia installato e seguito i comandi da usb\n<BruceLeonardo> un mese fa\n<BruceLeonardo> ora provo a vedere i vostri link\n<jester-> BruceLeonardo: non facciamo confusione, ha installato la 10.04?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun http://paste.ubuntu.com/612297/\n<jester-> BruceLeonardo: vuoi avanare di versione?\n<BruceLeonardo> Jester: ho installato la 10.04 tutto gia tramite guida di come installare il file iso tramite usb\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: una delle dipendenze è danneggiata e quindi non la puoi installare\n<BruceLeonardo> Jester: si voglio avanzare di versione\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Come cancello la dipendenza?\n<BruceLeonardo> questa nel mio netbook non mi ci trovo\n<jester-> BruceLeonardo: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/AggiornamentoMaverick\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: non puoi. è una dipendenza, nel senso che il pacchetto che vuoi installare ha bisogno di quella dipendenza per poter funzionare, altrimenti niente\n<jester-> BruceLeonardo: poi l'avanzamento alla 11.04 te lo vede senza piu fare niente\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Ok, grazie proverò un altro programma\n<BruceLeonardo> Jester: ok sto leggendo\n<BruceLeonardo> Jester: un'altra cosa\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: che versione di ubuntu stai usando?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> 10.10\n<BruceLeonardo> Jester: come mai non riesco a masterizzare?\n<DarkSun> nome in codice?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> maveric-merkat\n<jester-> BruceLeonardo: non ti serve masterizzare per avanzare\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: be', il pacchetto c'è in maverick però se dice che è danneggiato\n<BruceLeonardo> Jester: non intendevo dire per avanzare, in generale non riesco a masterizzare con Ubuntu\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: prova a rimuovere il pacchetto, lanciare apt-get clean e a reinstallarlo\n<jester-> BruceLeonardo: facile che il problema scompaia avanzando, se no ci si pensa dopo\n<BruceLeonardo> Jester: grazie mille ora provo sul mio netbook ad avanzare\n<cicciocele> jester sono in wifi\n<cicciocele> grazie mille\n<jester-> cicciocele: ciumbia\n<jester-> cicciocele: era il network manager che non andava daccordo col tuo hw\n<MarconM> !ping\n<ubot-it> pong\n<gigirock> sbeng\n<BruceLeonardo> Jester: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/AggiornamentoMaverick QUI MI CHIEDE DI PREMERE \"ALT F2\" ED ESEGUIRE UPDATE MANAGER...ma mi compare la piccola finestra esegui applicazione\n<BruceLeonardo> e quando digito \"update manager\" mi da errore\n<BruceLeonardo> Jester: ho provato a mandare il comando da terminale\n<BruceLeonardo> Jester: son riuscito a trovare l'avanzamento\n<BruceLeonardo> è in corso\n<tdk200> salve a tutti\n<cicciocele> ragazzi c'è qualcuno che sa dirmi come si puo scaricare da BUC...\n<cicciocele> provando a scaricare mi dice You must be logged in to download this file.\n<remix_tj> cicciocele: BUC e' ubuntu?\n<cicciocele> scusami\n<cicciocele> ho installato da solo due giorni il tutto e mi sono permesso di chiedere da ignorante\n<tdk200> ho una scheda di rete asus wl 138g v2\n<tdk200> volevo ottenere il numero del firmware che ha come posso verificarlo?\n<remix_tj> cicciocele: non so che software sia, e' un software di ubuntu?\n<remix_tj> tdk200: prova con lshw -C networking\n<cicciocele> si è del sito BastaUnClick\n<remix_tj> non mi sembra un software supportato da ubuntu\n<K99Brain> e non mi sembra nemmeno che basta un click, visto che non ci riesci\n<K99Brain> il che la dice lunga\n<tdk200> remix_tj, ho provato schermo nero ho dovuto riavviare\n<cicciocele> ragazzi stavo cercadno di scaricare aircrack.zip dal sito di BUC\n<remix_tj> !aircrack | cicciocele\n<ubot-it> cicciocele: Su questo canale non troverete supporto per software il cui intento è craccare le reti wifi\n<tdk200> remix_tj, ci sei?\n<remix_tj> tdk200: si\n<tdk200> capito\n<remix_tj> terminale e dai sudo lshw -C networking\n<tdk200> hio inviato il comando mi ha fatto schermo nero\n<remix_tj> come schermo nero?\n<remix_tj> e' un comando che stampa dei dati\n<remix_tj> non puo' fare schermo nero\n<tdk200> probabile che il difetto sia del mio pc adesso riprovo\n<zaganator> ciao a tutti ho un problema con la ram... non è stata riconosciuta dalsistema operativo... ho provato ad andare sulo bios e da lì la vedo ma Ubuntu non ne vuole sapere\n<paolo> ciao, domanda.. è possibile/consigliabile installare su ubuntu 10.04 lts il kernel di una versione di ubuntu più recente?\n<tdk200> remix_tj, niente da fare\n<tdk200> il pc si spegne\n<tdk200> :S\n<remix_tj> tdk200: e' impossibile.\n<remix_tj> tdk200: riprova di nuovo\n<tdk200> lo schermo si fa nero\n<tdk200> e lampeggia\n<tdk200> l'icona del monitor la lucetta\n<K99Brain> tdk200, fai vedere questo, un attimo: uname -a\n<remix_tj> tdk200: hai aggiornato il sistema agli ultimi aggiornamenti? mi dicono che il bug e' risolto\n<tdk200> no\n<tdk200> devo aggiornare aspè\n<remix_tj> aggiorna il kernel piu' che altro\n<remix_tj> e' la parte che ha il bug\n<tdk200> cmq questa cosa dche devo fare e per usare aircrack\n<tdk200> come posso aggiornarlo\n<remix_tj> !aircrack | tdk200\n<ubot-it> tdk200: Su questo canale non troverete supporto per software il cui intento è craccare le reti wifi\n<remix_tj> :-D\n<tdk200> si no problem so già usarlo\n<tdk200> cosa brutta è che con la scheda asus 138g v2 bisogna fare un installazione di driver broadcom\n<tdk200> ho una guida che mi da questo codice\n<tdk200> sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer\n<tdk200> corretto remix\n<tdk200> remix_tj,\n<remix_tj> ah buh si sembra di si\n<tdk200> perchè il monitor mode nn si abilita senza quei driver\n<roger_> ciao ragazzi!\n<tdk200> e resto con la scheda che mi sta su channel -1 sempre\n<roger_> Una domanda...xubuntu che tipo di processore minimo supporta?\n<tdk200> penso il pentium 3\n<tdk200> roger_, unica cosa che forse ti da problemi nello spegnimento del pc\n<roger_> ..Ho un Duron amd 900 + 440 ram...volevo sapere se lo potevo installare..!!??\n<tdk200> si\n<tdk200> anche se devi metter su ram roger_\n<roger_> ..altrimenti?..\n<angelo> ciao\n<angelo> ho appena creato una chiavetta usb persistente con ubuntu\n<DarkSun> roger_: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/RequisitiDiSistema#Computer_meno_potenti\n<roger_> Grazie!\n<angelo> esiste un modo per spostare tutte le mie configurazioni attuali sulla chiavetta? (mail,social, calendari, preferenze, ecc...)\n<angelo> sulla chiavetta ho una 32 bit, sul pc una 64 (che devo togliere\n<enzotib> angelo: le liveusb persistenti sono un po' strane, non si capisce mai bene cosa è persistente e cosa no, o almeno io non l'ho ancora capito\n<angelo> ho lasciato i 4 gb (il massimo) per i file di configurazione\n<angelo> ho utilizzato il creatore di dischi d'avvio\n<angelo> cmq, esiste una soluzione alla mia domanda?\n<DarkSun> una soluzione? spostare da qualche parte le tue configurazioni\n<DarkSun> non devono per forza di cose stare nella liveusb\n<DarkSun> spostale su dropbox e via\n<useUbu> Ciao a tutti\n<useUbu> Qualcuno di voi può aiutarmi? Devo visualizzae una pagina web però mi chiede i instllare adobe plash player però c'è già instalalto sul pc.\n<tdk200> Linux tdk200-desktop 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:50 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux\n<useUbu> c'è nessuno?\n<tdk200> remix_tj,\n<tdk200> Ci sei ancora??\n<remix_tj> tdk200:\n<tdk200> ti passo un paste bin\n<remix_tj> che c'e'?\n<angelo> DarkSun, io vorrei una chiavetta che sostituisca all'occorrenza (in mobilità ) il pc. Mi indicheresti quali file spostare per un backup completo? ho trovato questa discussion, ma tratta di backup dalla chiavetta. posso utilizzarla per un backup da pc a chiavetta? e poi riutilizzarlo su un atro pc? http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/index.php?topic=312883.msg2358253\n<tdk200> remix_tj, http://paste.ubuntu.com/612343/\n<tdk200> questo è ciò che è uscito dal comando che ho dato\n<tdk200> ma il firmware così è aggiorato\n<tdk200> la guida mi dice che evo andare in driver aggiuntivi e aggiornarlo\n<tdk200> cioè attivarlo\n<remix_tj> a me sembra ok\n<remix_tj> non saprei come fare\n<tdk200> ma da come dice nel codice\n<tdk200> b43-fwcutter è già alla versione più recente.\n<tdk200> I seguenti pacchetti NUOVI saranno installati:\n<tdk200> firmware-b43-installer\n<tdk200> b43 fwcutter già c'era\n<tdk200> solo il firmware mancava\n<tdk200> quindi adesso aircrack dovrebbe andare?\n<DarkSun> angelo: da pc a chiavetta in che senso?\n<angelo> mi spiego meglio\n<angelo> ho una ubuntu 64. voglio passare alla 32 bit\n<tdk200> remix_tj, ci sei?\n<angelo> ho scaricato il file immsgine, quindi ne approfitto per creare una chiavetta live per lavorare in mobilità con le mie configurazioni\n<remix_tj> tdk200: non lo so, non ho mai fatto questa cosa. Io so solo che se mi si collega in wireless e' configurato\n<tdk200> prima air crack non mi fungeva dopo aver messo il firmware dovrebbe fungere\n<tdk200> per vedere il mac addres delle periferiche?\n<angelo> ora mi restano i passaggi: 1) portare le mie configurazioni sulla chiavetta persistente 2)reinstallare ubuntu sul pc 3) ripristinare le configurazioni\n<K99Brain> !aircrack | tdk200\n<ubot-it> tdk200: Su questo canale non troverete supporto per software il cui intento è craccare le reti wifi\n<K99Brain> !clone | angelo\n<ubot-it> angelo: Per avere i pacchetti gia installati sul tuo pc, in un altro pc ( o per riavere gli stessi pacchetti dopo una reinstallazione ) utilizzare (escluse le \" \") \"dpkg --get-selections > my-packages\" portare il file \"my-packages\" nel nuovo pc ed eseguire \"sudo dpkg --set-selections < /path/my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade\"\n<angelo> K99Brain, questa soluzione, oltre ai programmi, comprende le loro configurazioni attuali?\n<K99Brain> angelo, questo per i pacchetti.. per le configurazioni, basta che ti salvi la home\n<angelo> AH ECCO\n<angelo> ok, perfetto\n<angelo> gentilissimi come sempre\n<K99Brain> angelo, se hai una home su una partizione separata\n<K99Brain> angelo, basta che la riutilizzi\n<angelo> ok\n<angelo> ina ggiunta a questa soluzioni mi ritrovo esattamente il mio pc altrove giusto?\n<K99Brain> angelo, si, piu o meno\n<angelo> per il mio uso da utente sega è comunque ok giusto?\n<K99Brain> angelo, se hai messo roba da terze parti o da pacchetti deb, magari quelli li devi rimettere a mano\n<angelo> ah...\n<angelo> peccato\n<angelo> vabbè\n<K99Brain> ma va beh\n<angelo> un paio appindicator e google chrome\n<K99Brain> come lo hai fatto la prima volta lo rifai\n<tdk200> K99Brain,\n<angelo> infatti\n<tdk200> ma perchè poi attivando monitor mode in aircrack con questa sceda mi crea un mon0? coe se fosse un'altra periferica\n<zaganator> hey qualcuno sa qualcosa di ram?\n<Dig_64bit> Ciao a tutti, ho una semplice domanda. Io condivido cartelle e file tra due ubuntu. Quando modifico i file da un pc all'altro mi cambiano i permessi sul file modificato. C'è un modo per modificare questo?\n<jester-> Dig_64bit: man cp\n<Dig_64bit> jester-, cioè? cp non si usa per copia i files?\n<DarkSun> appunto!\n<jester-> Dig_64bit: ci sono delle opzioni\n<jester-> cp -sticazz\n<Dig_64bit> jester-, ho visto ...ma non ci capisco molto...la trovo in giro in italiano?\n<MarconM> buonasera\n<jester-> Dig_64bit: --preserve=all\n<angelo> ciao\n<angelo> ho provato ad avviare da persistent, ma anzichè ubuntu mi manda in una shell a linea id comando in cui mi si chiede di montare un filesystem con tante opzioni. è normale o ho sbagliato qualcosa nella creazione della chiavetta?\n<jester-> angelo: fatta come\n<angelo> quello indicato dalla guida. creatore dischi di avvio, con l'opzione di riservare 4 giga per le configurazioni\n<angelo> c'è da aggiungere però che essendo la chiavetta da 16, ho pensato di creare due partizioni. la prima per i dati, la seconda per ubuntu. è stato quello?\n<jester-> angelo: persistent sarebbe?\n<angelo> una live, http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/DaSupportoUsb?action=show&redirect=Installazione%2FUbuntuLivePersistenteUsb\n<jester-> angelo: scaricata la iso e fatta la penna?\n<angelo> yes\n<jester-> angelo: e facendo il boot da usb cosa succede\n<angelo> quando dico \"avvia senza installare\", anzchè ubuntu mi parte una shell di terminale con un intestazione chiamata BusyBox\n<angelo> che mi chiede di montare il filesystem, ma non ci ho capito granchè\n<jester-> angelo: formattala e rifalla per bene e prima controlla md5sum della sio\n<jester-> iso\n<angelo> già fatto il controllo md5sum prima\n<angelo> non potrebbe essere il rpoblema delle partizioni sulla chiavetta?\n<angelo> ho due fat 32 primarie\n<jester-> angelo: pialla a fanne una sola\n<angelo> e la live l'ho montata sulla 2a, riservandomi la prima per i dati, dato che la live ha 4 giga di limite\n<angelo> mhhh... e allora una domanda nasce spontanea... c'è un modo per superare il limite di 4 giga della live?\n<jester-> angelo: alla live serve circa un giga\n<Dig_64bit> jester-, grazie\n<jester-> Dig_64bit: funza?\n<Dig_64bit> buona serata a tutti\n<angelo> si, io intendevo lo spazio riservato per salvare i file di configurazione\n<angelo> è limitato a 4 giga\n<angelo> un po pochini\n<jester-> angelo: fai una sola partizione e poi setti 2.5 di aggiuntivo se la penna è da 4\n<angelo> è da 16\n<angelo> volevo sfruttarli tutti\n<angelo> per avere un pc in tasca\n<Dig_64bit> jester-, con cp --help il mi esce tutto in Italiano. Non è quello che intendevo. Mi sono spiegato male...ma figurati. è solo per evitare di dare chmod 777 -R un paio di volte al giorno\n<jester-> angelo: una live serve per installare e come coltellino svizzero, se vuoi un os su usb usa o remastersys o fai installazione sulla usb normale avendo cura di mettere grub sulla usb\n<angelo> remastersys non so cosa sia, mi informo. per uanto riguarda grub, me lo chiede esplicitamente durante l'installazione dove meterlo o devo settare dei aprametri?\n<jester-> angelo: non ricordo\n<angelo> ok\n<angelo> grazie di tutto\n<angelo> ciao\n<Dig_64bit> a presto\n<paolo89> ciao ragazzi\n<paolo89> c'è qualcuno\n<paolo89> ??\n<paolo89> avrei bisogno di una piccolissima info\n<paolo89> vabbe ve la dico\n<paolo89> è proprio una stupidaggine\n<paolo89> nn riesco a trovare tutte le discussioni da me aperte\n<paolo89> come posso fare?\n<DarkSun> discussioni riguardo cosa?\n<paolo89> nel forum\n<K99Brain> !logs | paolo89\n<ubot-it> paolo89: Log del canale: http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ oppure http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/\n<K99Brain> paolo89, ah, del forum? e cercale nel forum allora\n<K99Brain> -.-\n<checco> ciao a tutti mi serve un consiglio.....ho una cartella con molti file dentro...vorrei creare una lista di questi file su un documento..come faccio in modo semplice..grazie mille...\n<filo1234> checco: ls >> filelist.txt\n<filo1234> dentro la cartella\n<checco> non ho capito scusami...\n<filo1234> checco: da terminale ls /percorso/cartella/ >> filelist.txt\n<checco> ok capito.....grazie mille\n<checco> grandeeeeee\n<filo1234> il filelist.txt viene creato nella directory in cuo lanci il comando\n<filo1234> se lo vuoi dentro la stessa cartella metti il percorso anche li\n<filo1234> ls /percorso/cartella/ >> /percorso/cartella/filelist.txt\n<checco> ok penso di aver capito....ma e possibile farlo pure tramite interfaccia grafica?? o solo da terminale\n<filo1234> checco: non lo so ma certe cose si fa prima a farle da terminale\n<checco> si infatti e che io sono un po negato ma non fa nulla cosi mi impegno\n<checco> grazie mille a presto.....\n<zafira> aiuto\n<zafira> jester ci sei\n<zafira> non va\n<zafira> ho provato anche ubuntustudio 64\n<zafira> sempre lo stesso problema\n<zafira> schermo nero dopo l'installazione al primo riavvio\n<zafira> c\n<zafira> un volontario che mi aiuta??\n<safari> salve ragazzi\n<safari> avete mai usato teamview per ubuntu?\n<alnuvola> sera ^_^\n<safari> sera\n<bobbybong> ciao\n<safari> ciao\n<safari> qualcuno sa aiutarmi\n<bobbybong> !qualcuno\n<ubot-it> la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<safari> dovrei accedere da remoto su un pc di un cliente con teamview\n<safari> voi l'avete mai usato? lui usa windiws però\n<alnuvola> perchhe' nn usi vnc e ti sesemplifichi la vita ???\n<bobbybong> il pc a cui vuoi accedere è nella lan o su internet\n<gab_> \tdomanda su unity: son passato alla 11.04 da due giorni ma nn riesco a capire se è possibile avere su un pannello le applicazioni aperte in una finestra (e solo in quella finestra). Per non essere costretto a spsotare una finestra di una applicazione per vedfere le altre aperte\n<safari> perchè lui ora ha installato tw su internet\n<alnuvola> bisogna vedee che protocollo usa di connessione\n<safari> perchè ho visto che esiste tw per distibuzioni linux\n<fritz91> buonasera...nonostante l'ora spero ci sia qualcuno\n<fritz91> ho un problema parecchio fastidioso con la scheda video al punto che ho dovuto reinstallare ubuntu, ma stavolta ho scelto la 10.10\n<fritz91> non so per quale strano motivo ma non riesco ad installare i driver nvidia proprietari e anche se ci riesco, all'avvio mi rimane la schermata nera con il login e niente di più\n<fritz91> dando sudo service gdm start (tentativi disperati) mi dice che è già in esecuzione\n<fritz91> qualche idea? non vorrei rinunciare a ubuntu visto che a comunque a parte questo problema mi trovo benissimo\n<fritz91> grazie in anticipo\n<torn> anche io ho un problema legato alla scheda video (almeno credo ahahha!!!) non riesco a visualizzare correttamente la barra di unity, devo per forza utilizzare \"Ubuntu classico\"!! vedo una barra grigia, nessuna icona all'interno ma se ci passo sopra compaiono i nomi delle icone!! (es firefox, writer, aree di lavoro ecc) boooh!!! :)\n<fritz91> sì esatto!\n<fritz91> mi dava anche questi problemi, quando riusciva ad avviarsi...ma non era un gran guadagno\n<fritz91> torn, ma non è che hai usato compiz\n<torn> no fritz!! niente compiz! io ho un notebook vecchio, ho pensato fosse la scheda video!! boo!! invece con \"Ubuntu classico\" non ho nessun problema!!\n<fritz91> eh io vorrei risolvere...il pc è nuovo ed è un peccato non usare tutto il potenziale...la recoverymode è un po' riduttiva, speriamo che qualcuno venga in mio soccorso :)\n<jumpysnake> sera\n<fritz91> sera\n<fritz91> jumpysnake, sapresti aiutarmi? ho un problema con la scheda nvidia\n<jumpysnake> fritz91: riguardo?\n<fritz91> jumpysnake, scusami, non riesco ad installare i driver nvidia...e se riesco, non mi avvia completamente l'interfaccia grafica e rimango con il login con lo sfondo nero\n<jumpysnake> fritz91: che modello?\n<fritz91> nvidia?\n<jumpysnake> serie? geforce?\n<fritz91> geforce 310M notebook\n<jumpysnake> è vecchia molto se non sbaglio?\n<fritz91> e insomma\n<jumpysnake> tipo 2005\n<fritz91> il pc l'ho comprato a settembre\n<jumpysnake> che driver hai installato?quello raccomandato?\n<fritz91> e l'ho pagato abbastanza\n<fritz91> sì quello...ma non va\n<jumpysnake> hai provato altro?\n<fritz91> con la 11.04 avevo a disposizione driver open\n<fritz91> ma mi dava comunque problemi\n<fritz91> e non pochi\n<fritz91> così sono tornato alla 10.10\n<jumpysnake> e vanno?\n<fritz91> ma non posso cmq usarli\n<jumpysnake> perchè?\n<torn> sono tornato!! muhahahah!\n<fritz91> perché all'avvio mi rimane la schermata nera con il login\n<jumpysnake> allora loggati\n<fritz91> sì l'ho fatto\n<jumpysnake> e dai sudo startx\n<fritz91> ah startx?\n<jumpysnake> sudo startx\n<jumpysnake> e invio\n<fritz91> mi avevano detto sudo service gdm start è completamente sbagliato?\n<jumpysnake> prova sudo startx\n<fritz91> ok ti ringrazio\n<jumpysnake> non succede nulla..mica salta in aria il pc\n<fritz91> sisi lo so! ahaha\n<fritz91> grazie mille torno subito!\n<jumpysnake> prego\n<torn> ciao jumpy, sai mica perché io vedo la barra di unity grigia anche se sopra ci sono le icone?? sono praticamente trasparenti, se ci passo il mouse sopra esce il nome ma non si vedono!!\n<jumpysnake> non uso unity torn,\n<torn> ah ok grazie!! :) ps. mi puoi dire a cosa serve sudo startx?? :D\n<jumpysnake> torn,cioè non ho 11.04 installata\n<jumpysnake> ad avviarel so con interfaccia grafica...non è giusto giusto come l ho detto..ma a quello serve\n<torn> ok capito!!! grazie mille :)\n<jumpysnake> prego\n<fritz91> rieccomi\n<fritz91> purtroppo non c'è stato niente da fare\n<fritz91> non posso postarti l'output...ma ad un certo punto c'era: (EE) no device detected Fatal Error: no screens found\n<jester-> fritz91: problema?\n<jumpysnake> sommo jester- aiutaci tu. :-)\n<fritz91> jester-, ciao non riesco a far funzionare la mia scheda video NVIDIA geforce 310M\n<jester-> fritz91: roba vecchia o nuova che non sono aggiornato coi modelli\n<fritz91> nuova\n<jester-> fritz91: hai installato il driver?\n<fritz91> sfrutta il cuda...non so bene cosa sia ma ha anche un giga dedicato\n<jester-> fritz91: hai installato il driver?\n<fritz91> sì ma sono proprio quelli a darmi problemi...se non li uso bene o male funziona ma in pratica non sfrutto la scheda video, o no?\n<jester-> fritz91: non so circa il cuda ma installando il driver consigliato funza x o no\n<fritz91> no\n<jester-> fritz91: come lo hai installato il driver\n<fritz91> driver aggiuntivi da \"amministrazion\"\n<fritz91> e\n<jester-> fritz91: ok e dopo installazione riavviando?\n<jester-> fritz91: non è che invece del current hai messo gli open\n<fritz91> nono\n<fritz91> non sono disponibili gli open con la 10.10\n<jester-> fritz91: se parti da ripristiono e al menu vai in grafica sicura ?\n<fritz91> non nella sezione \"driver aggiuntivi\" quantomeno\n<fritz91> sì è quello che ho fatto adesso\n<jester-> fritz91: prova ad avanzare alla 11.04 che sa che con la tua scheda è anche una questione di kernel\n<jester-> fritz91: e gli open sono una ciofeca\n<jester-> tali nouveau\n<fritz91> purtroppo mi da altri problemi...sia la 11.04 che il nuovo kernel\n<fritz91> già provato\n<jester-> fritz91: cioè?\n<fritz91> con il nuovo kernel, non mi rileva la chiavetta internet o meglio non la posso usare per collegarmi, visto che la rileva perfettamente\n<fritz91> mentre per quanto riguarda il video mi da gli stessi problemi\n<jester-> fritz91: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf e metti nel pastebin\n<fritz91> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/612461/\n<jester-> fritz91: sudo gedit /etc/default/grub metti nel paste che provimo una modiifica\n<torn> jester-, poi posso chiederti una cosa su unity? non la visualizzo correttamente... ti aspetto......... :D\n<jumpysnake> dio jester-, grazie\n<jester-> torn: cioè?\n<fritz91> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/612462/\n<jester-> fritz91: mofica GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"quiet splash nomodeset\"\n<jester-> aggiungi nomodeset\n<torn> ho 11.04, vedo la barra di unity grigia, senza icone, ma se ci passo sopra col mouse le icone appaiono! con \"ubuntu classico\" invece tutto ok. uso i driver open perché con i proprietari unity non partiva proprio.....!\n<jester-> torn: scheda?\n<fritz91> fatto, salvo e do update-grub?\n<jester-> fritz91: yess e prova a riavviare\n<jester-> torn: lspci | grep -i vga\n<fritz91> ok\n<fritz91> riavvio e torno\n<torn> scusa, non appaiono le icone, appaiono i nomi delle icone!! grazie per il comando ahah!! nVidia Corporation NV36 [GeForce FX Go5700]\n<jester-> torn: mmm mi sa che è dura, da driver agguintivi toli l'open e metti il consigliato\n<jester-> togli\n<jester-> torn: ma mi pare che le 5000 unity el va no\n<hopersolapasswor> buona sera a tutti. non ricordo la password di amministratore per installare gli aggiornamenti in ubuntu 11.4\n<hopersolapasswor> qualcuno può consigliarmi sul da fare?\n<jester-> hopersolapasswor: è la stessa pass dell'utente\n<torn> ok provo..! però ricordo che non mi compare neanche la barra superiore con il consigliato, riesco a malapena a riavviarlo con ctrl alt canc (e anche la schermata che appare si vede tipo lampeggiare..) mentre ubuntu classico forse andava bene anche con i consigliati...! cmq provo ancora! :)\n<jester-> torn: è un bug\n<hopersolapasswor> jester, il problema è che non la ricordo\n<hopersolapasswor> le ho provate tutte\n<jester-> torn: consiglierei di rimanere al classic che lo risolveranno\n<hopersolapasswor> mi conviene salvare i file e reinstallare il tutto?\n<fritz91> jester-, niente da fare, stessa situazione\n<torn> okok va bene!! cmq consigli in ogni caso i driver proprietari??\n<jester-> hopersolapasswor: avvia in ripristino, al menu vai in shell di root. e dai: passwd nickdelluser\n<fritz91> l'unica differenza è che è cambiata la risoluzione della schermata di login...adesso azzardei che è ad un 800X600\n<jester-> hopersolapasswor: ti chiede la pass e di ripeterla, la digiti ma non la vedi e lascia in bianco il resto\n<hopersolapasswor> ok jester ci provo\n<hopersolapasswor> male che va reinstallo il tutto\n<hopersolapasswor> grazie e buona serata.\n<jester-> fritz91: ho controllato, le fx non vanno ed è un bug, o driver paccato male o qualcosa nel plugin\n<fritz91> uh che bella notizia\n<fritz91> quindi se voglio ubuntu mi devo tenere la grafica ridotta, giusto?\n<fritz91> ovviamente sopravviverò però è un gran peccato :(\n<jester-> fritz91: in natty i driver per roba vecchia hanno avuto una regressione, speriamo che fixino e non abbandonino l'hw un po vecio\n<jester-> fritz91: d'altra parte non si puo pretendere pieno supporto su hw veramente obsoleto\n<fritz91> ma questa scheda video non è così obsoleta\n<fritz91> anzi\n<jester-> fritz91: avrà solo una decina d'anni\n<fritz91> ?!\n<jester-> equivale a un umano sui 150 anni\n<fritz91> ehm...se il pc l'ho comprato a settembre 600 euro vuol dire che mi hanno inciuciato per benino??\n<jester-> fritz91: le fx sono uscite una decina d'anni fa\n<jester-> fritz91: ti hanno dato un pacco veramente vecchio\n<fritz91> maledetti\n<jester-> fritz91: da anni non sono piu in commerci le fx si vede he hanno raschiato i fondi di magazzino da discarica\n<fritz91> non ti offendere eh, ma sei sicuro che questa è così vecchia??\n<torn> aspettate forse state facendo casino??????????????? XDDD jester forse volevi dirlo a me????? sbaglio???????\n<fritz91> aaaaaaaah\n<fritz91> XD\n<fritz91> stiamo attenti!\n<jester-> fritz91: sicurissimo fx 5200 e fx 5700\n<fritz91> ma la mia è una geforce 310M\n<jester-> fritz91: hihihihih\n<jester-> fritz91: è torn che ha la scheda nonna\n<fritz91> ah ecco!\n<torn> ioioioio sono quello della fx ahahahahah!! XDDD sisi è nonnissima^3 ahahahaha\n<fritz91> già stavo denunciando la fnac!\n<jester-> fritz91: con nomodeset che è successo\n<fritz91> eccomi, allora, stesso problema\n<fritz91> è solo cambiata la risoluzione della schermata di login\n<fritz91> direi che sembra ad un 800X600\n<fritz91> mentre prima era sicuramente 1366X quello che è\n<jester-> fritz91: vedi la finestra di login e poi entrando va tutto a puttane?\n<torn> mi pare che abbia 6 anni il mio pc! all'epoca era stra-avanti, ora è nonno ahahah\n<fritz91> no, l'interfaccia non si avvia proprio\n<fritz91> rimane il login letterale, sfondo nero\n<jester-> fritz91: manco col classic?\n<jester-> fritz91: è un protatile?\n<fritz91> solo la recovery mode funziona\n<fritz91> sì\n<fritz91> asus k52jc\n<jester-> fritz91: non so che altro pensare, il driver è il current?\n<fritz91> sì\n<torn> fritz per caso hai provato con la 11.04 a mettere i driver open??\n<jester-> fritz91: che schda hai detto che è?\n<jester-> torn: se non funzano i nvidia figurati gli open\n<fritz91> Nvidia Geforce 310M (modello per notebook) cuda 1GB\n<torn> ahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah XD\n<fritz91> con gli open o li installo o meno è uguale\n<fritz91> neanche li considera\n<torn> ragazzi vado a nanna, buona serata, grazie a tutti! grazie jester, grazie fritz, grazie jumpysnake, ciaoooooo :)\n<jumpysnake> notte torn,\n<jester-> fritz91: sudo aptitude clean\n<jester-> fritz91: sudo aptitude reinstall dkms nvidia-current\n<fritz91> aptitude command not found\n<Hitek> Sera a tutti\n<Hitek> qualcuno sa aiutarmi sui file . zip, che non riesco piu aprire?\n<jester-> fritz91: sudo apt-get install --reinstall dkms nvidia-current\n<jester-> Hitek: cioè?\n<Hitek> could not display\n<bitbartx_> ma l'hai mai aperto o nn riesci piu ora??\n<jester-> Hitek: sudo apt-get install unzip p7zip-full p7zip-rar\n<fritz91> fatto\n<fritz91> provo a riavviare?\n<jester-> fritz91: riavvia a ho poca fede\n<fritz91> ok, a sto punto tutta la mia fede è in te! XD\n<fritz91> torno subito!\n<jester-> fritz91: spe\n<Hitek> fatto,niente\n<jester-> disinstalla xserver-xorg-video-nouveau\n<jester-> Hitek: apri con gestore archivi\n<jester-> gestore\n<jester-> Hitek: o unzip file.zip\n<fritz91_> jester-, i tuoi dubbi erano fondati...solito problema\n<Hitek> nessun segnale di vita con unzip\n<bitbartx_> ma da degli errori??\n<bitbartx_> hai provato a riscaricarlo?\n<Hitek> niente nessun errore\n<Hitek> prima mi dava l'errore che ho segnalato poco fà \n<Hitek> ora niente di niente\n<bitbartx_> cancella tutto e riscaricalo\n<jester-> fritz91_: serve pazienza che fissino a magari segnala il bug\n<bitbartx_> ti conviene\n<bitbartx_> poi una volta scaricato dagli i permessi giusti e rifai l'operazione\n<Hitek> bitbartx, cosa dovrei cancellare\n<jester-> fritz91_: in xorg.conf invece di nvidia scivici il driver che c'è in xorg.conf.faisafe cosi eviti il recoveri\n<bitbartx_> lo zip\n<fritz91_> ok...posso essere fiducioso? leggendo qua e là noto che i driver proprietari si interessano poco di correggere i bug...spero sia una fesseria\n<fritz91_> vabbè basta che disinstallo i driver...praticamente si avvia la grafica ridotta\n<jester-> fritz91_: il driver osiginale di sicuro funza, avranno fatto qualche errore nel paccarlo\n<fritz91_> jester-, ok vorrà dire che aspetterò...posso credere...ma è un problema comune o sono uno dei pochi fortunati?\n<jester-> fritz91_: non vedo in gira nulla by gugl\n<jester-> in giro\n<jester-> per quello ti consiglio di segnalare il bug\n<jester-> !bug\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/SegnalareBug | vedi anche !launchpad\n<fritz91_> jester-, come nome del pacchetto? cosa metto?\n<jester-> nvidia-current\n<Hitek> jester-, non si dovrebbero aprire con monta archivio?\n<fritz91_> giusto per completezza...aggiungo dettagli?\n<jester-> fritz91_: si xorg.conf\n<fritz91_> nella breve descrizione un \"unable to use nvidia driver\" va bene?\n<jester-> fritz91_: e pure /var/log/Xorg.0.log\n<jester-> fritz91_: curiosità : prova a dare sudo modprobe nvidia\n<fritz91_> non serve neanche il pastebin\n<fritz91_> FATAL: Module nvidia not found.\n<fritz91_> aspè però\n<jester-> fritz91_: hai tolto nvidia-current?\n<fritz91_> già li ho disinstallati i driver...visto che non fungono\n<fritz91_> li rimetto subito\n<jester-> fritz91_: https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa\n<fritz91_> mi consola...evidentemente non sono il solo\n<fritz91_> ma sono tutti driver per versioni precedenti\n<fritz91_> (intendevi cercare lì i driver o segnalare il bug anche a loro?\n<stejazz> buona sera a tutti\n<fritz91_> salve\n<stejazz> ragazzi visto che non posso parlare nella chat\n<stejazz> vorrei\n<stejazz> parlare qui di altro\n<stejazz> è possibile??\n<fritz91_> non credo\n<fritz91_> comunque notte a tutti\n<fritz91_> cià à à à à à à \n<stejazz> c'è qualcunooooooOO??\n<stejazz> roxdragon, ci sei?\n<stejazz> Carlin0, ??\n<filo1234_> stejazz: hai un mute qualcosa avrai combinato?\n#ubuntu-it 2011-05-25\n<stejazz> filo1234, ciao\n<filo1234> ciao\n<stejazz> grazie per avermi risposto\n<stejazz> si, credo di avere un muto ma non so come mai\n<filo1234> be qualcosa avrai fatto\n<stejazz> credo di non aver mai combinato niente...\n<stejazz> anzi ne sono quasi sicuro...\n<stejazz> filo1234, sai per caso come risolvere questo problema??\n<stejazz> ciao\n<roxdragon> ciao Steeler\n<roxdragon> stejazz,\n<DigiuRN> !fstab\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Fstab\n<massimo18> Buon Giorno\n<glpiana> ola\n<Odo> Giorno\n<Steeler> la mia multifunzione epson SX10 non stampa, ne fa le fotocopie, lo scanner funziona, viene vista sia abilitata che condivisa, ma non stampa, può essere un problema di cartucce ?\n<massimo18> Steeler: ma quando dai il via ad una stampa che fa la stampante?\n<Steeler> massimo18, nel pannello appare l'icona del lavoro, ma la stampante non fa niente.\n<massimo18> Steeler: e non ti segnala nulla che ne so tipo inchiostro esaurito o un errore?\n<Steeler> massimo18, il fatto è che le fotocopie le deve fare stand-alone. ma non fa nemmeno quello\n<Steeler> massimo18, si segnala inchiostro mancante, ma io ho sostituito la cartuccia nera.\n<massimo18> Steeler: uhmmm ... cartuccia tarocca?\n<Steeler> massimo18, sono tutte originali.\n<massimo18> Steeler: se non funziona nemmeno la fotocopia forse è un problema della stampante\n<glpiana> Steeler, se non fa le fotocopie è un problema non collegato a ubuntu. affrontatelo su #ubuntu-it-chat per cortesia\n<Steeler> glpiana, ho provato anche su debian, stesso storia.\n<massimo18> appunto\n<glpiana> Steeler, che c'entra con quel che ho scritto?\n<Steeler> massimo18, infatti mi sembra proprio un probema hw.\n<massimo18> Steeler: qui sei in supporto per ubuntu non per epson :)\n<Steeler> massimo18, :) in effetti ubuntu la vede perfettamente ed appare il lavoro sul pannello ^_^\n<massimo18> !chat | Steeler\n<ubot-it> Steeler: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Steeler> massimo18, e lo scanner funziona :P\n<glpiana> !chat | Steeler\n<glpiana> neanche a chiederlo per cortesia funziona?\n<spritz> qualcuno sa dirmi qualcosa x risolvere un problema con i driver della scheda video?\n<glpiana> spritz, esponi il problema e si vede\n<spritz> ho installato i driver proprietari e cliccato su attiva, riavviato il pc, e ora mi compare questo: restart the X server\n<glpiana> spritz, che scheda?\n<spritz> nvidia geforce 8600 GT\n<glpiana> spritz, installati come i driver?\n<spritz> dal sistema driver aggiuntivi\n<spritz> potevo scegliere tra quelli sperimentali, quelli versione current e quelli 173 (mi pare)\n<spritz> scelto la verrione current raccomandata\n<glpiana> spritz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/522588\n<ubot-it> Launchpad bug 522588 in nvidia-graphics-drivers \"Ensure that X.org startup failure displays (EE) messages to the user\" [Medium,Triaged]\n<glpiana> spritz, è nelle release note di natty\n<glpiana> spritz, sei su natty vero?\n<spritz> si si\n<spritz> appena installato ubuntu 11\n<glpiana> spritz, hai fatto gli aggiornamenti?\n<spritz> si, appena installato ho fatto tutti gli aggiornamenti\n<glpiana> spritz, oki, dammi 5 minuti e arrivo\n<spritz> grazie :)\n<bia> salve, con 11.04 ho provato a masterizzare un cd dati con brasero su due pc diversi ma entrambi mi han dato lo stesso problema: masterizzazione ok ma poi se provo a leggere il cd lo vedo vuoto. consigli?\n<glpiana> bia, prova a usare k3b\n<glpiana> spritz, apri un terminale\n<spritz> ok\n<glpiana> spritz, scrivi: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf\n<glpiana> !paste | spritz incolla su pastebin\n<ubot-it> spritz incolla su pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<luca230103> buongiorno a tutti\n<luca230103> qualcuno in canale?\n<glpiana> !nessuno | luca230103\n<ubot-it> luca230103: se nessuno parla in canale non significa che non ci siano utenti attivi. Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno vorrà rispondervi lo farà \n<luca230103> ciao glpiana\n<spritz> aspetta che mai fatto una roba del genere che ho appena iniziato ad usare ubuntu\n<luca230103> glpiana come faccio a cancellare gli account che restano memorizzati su skype?\n<glpiana> spritz, fai con calma seguendo le istruzioni di ubot-it\n<spritz> incollo il comando che mi hai dato tu?\n<glpiana> luca230103, rimuovi la directory di skype nella tua home: .Skype\n<glpiana> spritz, dai il comando nel terminale. ti esce qualcosa immagino, o no?\n<luca230103> quindi cancellarla?\n<glpiana> luca230103, rimuovere = cancellare, non trovi?\n<spritz> cat: /etc/x11/xorg.conf: File o directory non esistente\n<luca230103> si mapoi funzionera' lo stesso?\n<glpiana> luca230103, dopo aver rimosso quella directory sarà come al primo avvio\n<luca230103> grazie gl piana\n<glpiana> spritz, ma li hai installati sti driver nvidia?\n<spritz> si si\n<glpiana> spritz, scrivi nel terminale: gksu nvidia-settings\n<spritz> dice driver installati ma attualmente non in uso\n<glpiana> spritz, dimmi se si apre o se rompe\n<spritz> esce così You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.\n<glpiana> spritz, chiudi e scrivi: lsmod | grep nvidia\n<glpiana> spritz, dimmi solo se elenca qualcosa o meno\n<spritz> se metto anche grep nvidia non compare nulla, se scrivo solo lsmod compare un elenco\n<glpiana> spritz, scrivi: dpkg -l | grep nvidia\n<glpiana> spritz, quello che esce lo metti su pastebin\n<spritz> fatto\n<glpiana> spritz, non tutto direi. devi copiare qui l'indirizzo della pagina\n<spritz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612644/\n<spritz> ah scusa XD\n<glpiana> spritz, torna sul gestore dei driver\n<spritz> ok\n<glpiana> spritz, tu hai messo i current, ma i raccomandati quali sono?\n<spritz> i current\n<glpiana> lol ok\n<glpiana> fai così, disinstallali\n<glpiana> spritz, poi riavvia e poi torna che li rimettiamo ma lo vediamo insieme\n<spritz> ok faccio e torno\n<spritz> ok, devo anche riavviare il pc o non serve?\n<glpiana> spritz, devi riavviare. ma te l'ho anche scritto\n<spriz> glpiana, riavviato il pc\n<glpiana> spriz, oki, torna sul gestore dei driver\n<glpiana> !image | spriz prendi una schermata\n<ubot-it> spriz prendi una schermata: Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<glpiana> sai come fare?\n<spriz> con stamp r sist?\n<glpiana> spriz, sì. se non va sotto gli accessori trovi cattura shcermata\n<glpiana> *schermata\n<spriz> http://imagebin.org/155004\n<glpiana> spriz, oki, ora attiva i current. dimmi quando termina e se da dettagli\n<spriz> finito di installarli, ora chiede di riavviare x renderli attivi\n<spriz> non escono altri dettagli\n<glpiana> spriz, riavvia il pc e torna\n<spriz> eccomi\n<spriz> su nvidia x server setting esce ancora: You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.\n<Clippoz> Ciao a tutti\n<Peace-> e ciao\n<Peace-> spriz: che stai a combina'?\n<spriz> mi stavo facendo aiutare da glpiana con la scheda video\n<Peace-> motivo ?\n<spriz> ho visto che è un problema di tanti su google, praticamente installo i driver proprietari raccomandati, li attivo, riavvio il pc\n<spriz> e cmq non mi configura nvidia\n<spriz> dice driver installati ma non in uso\n<Peace-> ma li hai aggiunti con il cazzillo apposito\n<Peace-> o hai scaricato i drvier e li hai installati ?\n<spriz> aggiunti con il coso apposta\n<spriz> dal sistema\n<spriz> già provato 3 volte :(\n<Peace-> spriz: hai unity?\n<bia> glpiana, con k3b masterizzazione ok, ma c'è un motivo particolare perchè brasero non funzioni?\n<spriz> dice che non è supportato xkè non mi installa i driver\n<rolling2> bgiorno\n<spriz> cmq si ho messo ubuntu 11\n<Peace-> bia: perche è un software nato male\n<Peace-> bia: lascia stare brasero per carità ormai è la serie infinita non masterizza mai bene\n<rolling2> sapete se è possibile aggiornare la 10.4 alla v 11.4\n<bia> Peace-, però con 10.04 funzionava da dio\n<Peace-> bia: il punto è questo : k3b funzioina sempre bene\n<Peace-> bia: se funziona bene k3b ok se non funziona k3b allora tutti gli altri faranno peggio\n<Peace-> è un software di riferimento\n<Peace-> e un motivo c'è\n<bia> Peace-, grazie per le dritte!\n<Peace-> in pratica ho sentito problemi con k3b solo quando il masterizzatore era finito\n<Clippoz> raga..ho un asus eee pc...con su l'11.04, volevo sapere qualcuno l'ha già messo su?\n<Peace-> con gnomebacker e brasero sempre problemi dovuti al software\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<glpiana> spriz, scusa torno dopo\n<spriz> ok glpiana\n<rolling2> la versione 10.4 si aggiornera da sola opuure verrà ancora supportata?\n<rolling2> si può aggiornare?\n<jester-> rolling2: 10.04?\n<Peace-> rolling2: 10.04 è supportata per 3 anni\n<rolling2> quindi per aggiornare alla 11.4 come dovrei fare?\n<Peace-> rolling2: perche vuoi aggiornare?\n<Peace-> rolling2: hai problemi hardware? software?\n<jester-> rolling2: se vuoi aggiornarla subito serve un workaround e per arrivare alla 11.04 devi fare due passaggi\n<rolling2> solo per vedere le news della nuova vers\n<rolling2> che genere di passaggi?\n<Peace-> rolling2: va laascia stare\n<rolling2> ok\n<spriz> Peace - te hai qualche consiglio x far funzionare sta scheda video?\n<rolling2> lascio questa :D\n<Federico> ....\n<jester-> rolling2: da 10.04-->10.10-->11.04 un giga e 2 ciascuno\n<glpiana> spriz, eccomi\n<glpiana> spriz, in un terminale: sudo nvidia-xconfig\n<torn> jester-, ciao sono ancora qui! ahah! sei al pc? non visualizzo correttamente l'icona di skype o di emesene anche se ho aggiunto la barra di notifica!\n<torn> dici che dipende sempre dallo stesso bug della scheda video???\n<jester-> torn: non penso, dai una resettata a gnome\n<jester-> !gnomereset\n<ubot-it> Per resettare gnome alle sue impostazioni di default rinominare le cartelle nascoste nella propria home .gnome2 .config .gconf .gconfd .gnome2_private e riavviare la sessione\n<torn> ok provo grazie!! :)\n<versilia> ciao a tutti\n<versilia> ho bisogno di aiuto per configurare una pennina internet\n<versilia> c'è qualcno?\n<jester-> versilia: cioè?\n<versilia> ho una pennina tre e non riesco a farla riconoscere\n<versilia> ho seguito le instruzioni ma niente\n<jester-> versilia: collegandola la monta come normale pendrive usb?\n<versilia> si\n<versilia> ho seguito questa guida http://informatizzati.org/linux/chiavetta-internet-huawei-e156g-su-ubuntu-e-kubuntu-1004.html\n<jester-> versilia: dentro non ci sono i driver linux?\n<versilia> seeeee\n<jester-> versilia: ci sono o no\n<versilia> jester-:\n<versilia> jester-: no ovviamente\n<versilia> jester-: non è nemmeno uno degli ultimi modelli\n<versilia> jester-: per esempio ora non la riconosce proprio per nulla\n<jester-> versilia: hai controllato se i codici usb quaglino con quelli della guida?\n<torn> jester-, fatto, si è resettato ma non si vede ancora l'icona correttamente! però appare un pixel bianco nell'area di notifica e quando chiudo il programma sparisce anche l'icona!!!! sembra quasi nascosa sotto all'indicatore dell'orologio, utente ecc!!! però anche se provo a spostare tutto l'icona di skype/emesene non compare!!!!!!\n<jester-> versilia: metti nel paste la risposta a: lsusb\n<jester-> torn: prova a cambiare le icone nelle personalizzazione del tema\n<versilia> jester-: mi dai il link del past?\n<jester-> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<versilia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612671/\n<torn> jester-, scusami ma sono un po' nabbo ahah! intendi preferenze sull'aspetto, personalizza, icone? sto provando ma nulla, rimane sempre quel pixel ma non l'icona completa!\n<versilia> jester-: hai visto?\n<jester-> versilia: sudo gedit /etc/udev/rules.d/10-hsdpa.rules\n<versilia> jester-: me lo da vuoto\n<jester-> versilia: spe\n<jester-> ok incollaci dentro questo http://paste.ubuntu.com/612673/\n<versilia> jester-: come mai era vuoto? avevo fatto tutto\n<jester-> versilia: non è il file che hai pacioccato da guida\n<versilia> jester-: ah ok\n<versilia> jester-: ora devo riavviare o provare qualcosa?\n<jester-> versilia: spe rivai qui\n<jester-> http://informatizzati.org/linux/chiavetta-internet-huawei-e156g-su-ubuntu-e-kubuntu-1004.html\n<versilia> jester-: non ho capito\n<jester-> versilia: c'è un errore TargetProduct= 0x100 deve essere TargetProduct= 0x1003\n<spriz> s.o.s. scheda grafica\n<jester-> versilia: quindi riapri quel file e correggi\n<versilia> jester-: così va bene? http://paste.ubuntu.com/612676/\n<jester-> versilia: quel paragrafo spostalo sotto\n<spriz> problema driver nvidia su ubuntu 11. ho installato i driver proprietari raccomandati, riavviato il pc (provato e riprovato con vari tentativi), continua a darmi driver installati ma non in uso, e non mi permette di cambiare l'x config. come posso fare?\n<versilia> jester-: cioè metto tutto quello che c'è nella guida in fondo al file?\n<jester-> spriz: è scemo il driver aggiuntivi, lsmod | grep nividia cosa risponde\n<torn> spriz è un friend o'mine mi sa ahah! :)\n<spriz> jester: ho dato il comando ma non compare nulla :(\n<versilia> jester-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/612679/\n<spriz> su google ho visto che son in tantissimi con lo stesso problema\n<jester-> versilia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/612680/\n<jester-> spriz: dpkg- l | grep nvidia\n<versilia> jester-: Ok!\n<jester-> versilia: sudo service udev restart\n<spriz> jester: dove ti posto cosa compare?\n<jester-> !paste | spriz\n<ubot-it> spriz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<versilia> jester-: e ora cosa dovrebbe succedere?\n<jester-> versilia: se non da errore nulla\n<spriz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612681/\n<jester-> versilia: stacca e riattacca la cosa\n<versilia> jester-: non vedo differenza, dove devo cercarla?\n<jester-> versilia: l'ha montata sul desktop?\n<versilia> no, in che senso?\n<versilia> jester-: no, in che senso?\n<jester-> versilia: riavvia va\n<jester-> versilia: com la pennina attaccata\n<versilia> ok ciao a dopo ;)\n<torn> spriz, per caso hai provato con i driver open? cambia qualcosa? anche io ho un problema simile con la mia scheda video :)\n<jester-> spriz: alura sto uotput?\n<spriz> avevo installato ubuntu una sett fa e ho provato con tutte e 3 le scelte dei driver che comparivano.. il risultato è stato un blocco dello schermo e ho dovuto reinstallare tutto :(\n<spriz> jester ho postato prima\n<jester-> spriz: o segui o ti arrangi\n<spriz> jester-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/612681/\n<jester-> spriz: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf sempre nel paste\n<torn> jester-, prima cmq ho provato con le icone ma nulla, sempre uguale!\n<rosico> ciao a tutti ragazzi ho necessità di avviare una copia live di ubuntu ma mi chiede il login\n<jester-> torn: mi sa che è il vesa\n<rosico> non ho idea di quali siano\n<spriz> jester-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/612683/\n<jester-> rosico: spiegati meglio\n<glpiana> ola\n<rosico> jester-, ho messo un cd di una live di ubuntu\n<spriz> glpiana: scusa prima non ero più al pc\n<rosico> dopo aver selezionato \"prova senza installare\"\n<torn> jester-, mmm cos'è il vesa?? poi giuro che non ti chiedo più nulla per almeno 1 settimana ahah!\n<glpiana> spriz, credo tu debba mettere Option \"NoPowerConnectorCheck\" \"true\" nella sezione Screen, prima di EndSection\n<rosico> carica tutto il suo ambaradan ma si pianta sulla schermata di login\n<jester-> spriz: lsmod | grep nvidia\n<spriz> jester-: con quel comando continua a non comparire nulla uff\n<glpiana> jester-, è la 8600 da quel che ho capito. è elencata nelle release notes di natty\n<jester-> torn: prova anche tu la glpiana opzione\n<spriz> glpiana: mmm cos'è la sezione screen?\n<glpiana> spriz, dai un'occhiata a quello che hai messo su pastebin\n<Versilia> jester-: eccomi\n<jester-> torn: abilita il current e poi in xorg.conf sotto a \"nvidia\" metti Option \"NoPowerConnectorCheck\" \"true\"\n<glpiana> spriz, hai visto le Section \"Screen\" ?\n<spriz> glpiana ok visto\n<glpiana> spriz, edta il file con gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf se ancora non l'hai aperto così\n<jester-> glpiana: va bene anche in driver\n<spriz> glpiana, x modificare come si fa? sempre dal terminale? sorry ma è la prima volta che uso ubuntu praticamente\n<glpiana> jester-, sì? ok\n<glpiana> spriz, leggi il comando che ti ho appena dato\n<jester-> glpiana: sotto a \"nividia\"\n<torn> jester-, troppo difficile per un nabbo come me!!! ahah!!\n<spriz> glpiana, ok mi ha aperto una schermata di comandi e lettere\n<jester-> torn: abilita il driver e posta poi xrog.conf\n<Versilia> jester-: come faccio a vedere se funziona, per ora va con il wireless non vedo altre connessioni\n<glpiana> spriz, devi aggiungere una riga con scritto: Option \"NoPowerConnectorCheck\" \"true\"\n<glpiana> spriz, a quanto pare puoi metterla un po' dove ti pare, l'importante è che stia tra un Section e un EndSection.\n<spriz> glpiana la aggiungo prima di endsubsection?\n<torn> jester-, ok provo, devo scappare per 10 minuti però mannaggia! poi leggo quel che scrivete e provo!! intanto grazie 10000! :)\n<glpiana> spriz, scegli o la sezione driver o la sezione screen\n<glpiana> spriz, non endsubsection, endsection ho detto\n<c-ruz> ciao\n<spriz> glpiana posso postarti l'immagine prima di dar ok, così mi dici se va bene\n<glpiana> spriz, certo\n<spriz> glpiana: http://paste.ubuntu.com/612686/\n<glpiana> spriz, secondo me può andare. salva il file\n<glpiana> spriz, e poi riavvia e vediamo che combina\n<spriz> glpiana: ok salvato, ora riavvio e torno, speriamo bene\n<glpiana> sperem\n<jester-> spet\n<jester-> a\n<jester-> la va ben no\n<glpiana> azz\n<glpiana> jester-, perchè?\n<jester-> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612687/\n<glpiana> jester-, ah ma è lo stesso credo. la subsection si fa i capperi suoi\n<jester-> vediamo\n<glpiana> credo l'importante sia che è tra section ed endsection\n<jester-> puo pure darsi\n<Versilia> jester-: per la pennina?\n<glpiana> ip ip urrà \n<jester-> Versilia: l'ha montata sul desktop la penna o no\n<jester-> Versilia: alura?\n<Versilia> jester-: io non la vedo\n<jester-> Versilia: sudo apt-get install wvdial\n<Versilia> jester-: come devo fare a montarla?\n<jester-> Versilia: non la deve montare\n<Versilia> jester-: si è messo a scaricare\n<rosico> per chi non lo sapesse\n<rosico> se dopo aver avviato una live di ubuntu\n<rosico> chiede login\n<glpiana> !enter | rosico\n<ubot-it> rosico: non spezzettare una frase su piu' righe. Non utilizzare il ritorno a capo come punteggiatura.\n<rosico> scusatemi\n<jester-> Versilia: sudo wvdialconf e poi metti nel paste\n<rosico> se dopo aver avviato una live di ubuntu, chiede il login, i dati sono : ubuntu come utente, password vuota\n<massimo18> rosico: mai vista una live che chiede il login\n<rosico> io oggi sì\n<spriz> glpiana: ti scrivo da windows ora, ubuntu non parte più :'(\n<rosico> saluti e baci\n<jester-> rosico: dove hai preso la iso\n<glpiana> spriz, oki, avvia in recovery mode e segnati sti passaggi\n<spriz> neanche in modalità ripristino\n<rosico> jester-, dal sito di ubuntu\n<glpiana> spriz, non può non partire in recovery per le modifiche a xorg.conf\n<jester-> rosico: hai fatto cd o usb\n<rosico> ho provato con 8.10, 9.04 e adesso 9.10\n<Versilia> jester-: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/612690/\n<spriz> glpiana: compaiono 2 righe di comandi e poi smette di lavorare e si blocca in quella schermata\n<rosico> purtroppo non avevo il tempo di scaricare live più recenti\n<glpiana> spriz, avvia in recovery e ti trovi al menu. scendi con la freccia e scegli console di root\n<jester-> rosico: hai fatto cd o usb\n<glpiana> spriz, scrivi: nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf\n<rosico> jester-, cd\n<jester-> rosico: prendi la 11.04\n<glpiana> spriz, scendi con la freccia fino alla riga che hai aggiunto e la cancelli. premi ctrl+o e invio per salvare e poi ctrl + x e poi invio per chiudere.\n<jester-> !natty | rosico\n<ubot-it> rosico: Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal: http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/ | Kubuntu 11.04: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/natty/ | à preferibile usare i torrent | problemi noti: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes\n<glpiana> spriz, quindi scrivi reboot per riavviare il sistema\n<spriz> glpiana: ora provo\n<rosico> jester-, ho risolto inserendo ubuntu come user e niente come pw\n<rosico> posso linkare un sito?\n<jester-> Versilia: ??\n<jester-> rosico: a quale pro\n<Versilia> te l'ho scritto\n<jester-> Versilia: se non mi nomini non me ne accorgo\n<rosico> per il discorso login e lives di ubuntu\n<Versilia> jester-: guarda che l'ho fatto\n<Versilia> jester-: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/612690/\n<rosico> chissà capiti a qualcuno\n<jester-> Versilia: la penna era attaccata?\n<Versilia> si\n<Versilia> jester-: si\n<jester-> Versilia: non la caga\n<Versilia> jester-: ottimo! quindi???\n<jester-> Versilia: hai avanzato da 10.10 ?\n<Versilia> jester-: si, avevo avuto un problema con l'avenzamento poi ho risolto con glpiana\n<jester-> Versilia: se hai ancora il kernel della 10.10 prova aprtire con quello\n<Versilia> jester-: non non c'è, di solito i kernel vecchi li cancello. Perché dovrei provare?\n<jester-> Versilia: perchè facile che col kernel vecio riandava\n<Versilia> jester-: ah con gli aggiornamenti peggiora!?!?!\n<jester-> Versilia: un po di roba ha avuto regression\n<jester-> tipo i nvidia\n<jester-> e qualche chiavetta\n<Versilia> jester-: ascolta, io andrei via, ci possiamo risentire domani ? quando ci sei? io avrei bisogno di collegarmi, non posso usare solo windows.\n<jester-> Versilia: o Peace- ti dice come prendere il kernel 39 da ubuntu kernel\n<jester-> Versilia: non hai un cellofono vecchio?\n<Versilia> jester-: non ho capito\n<Peace-> Versiliahttp://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.39-oneiric/\n<Peace-> Versilia http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.39-oneiric/\n<Peace-> Versilia: li ci sta il kernel\n<jester-> Versilia: le chiavette sono una fregatura, vanno molto meglio i celllulari per andare in internet che se ha il blutooth non hai manco la chiavica che sporge\n<Peace-> o a 32bit o a 64bit a seconda\n<Peace-> e poi ti scarichi anche\n<Versilia> jester-: si ok, ma perchè devo fare un downgrade :(\n<Peace-> Versilia: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.39-oneiric/linux-headers-2.6.39-020639_2.6.39-020639.201105190911_all.deb\n<jester-> Versilia: è il kernel\n<Peace-> einfine dove li hai scaricati fai sudo dpkg -i *.deb\n<Versilia> Peace-: grazie\n<jester-> Versilia: col -38 non va, magari col 39 riva\n<glpiana> spriz, quindi?\n<Versilia> jester-: preferisco di no, allora continuo a spippolare sul web fino a che qualcuno non lo sistema\n<spriz> glpiana: niente da fare, non da segni di vita.. secondo te se metto ubuntu 10.04 (mi pare si chiami così) si può risolvere il problema della scheda video? e poi, cambiano molto le funzionalità dal 10.04 all'11?\n<jester-> Versilia: col 38 mi da che non c'è verso\n<Peace-> Versilia: va che jester- mica è un pirla comune neh\n<glpiana> Versilia, mettere il kernel 39 per vedere se va meglio non è traumatico. male che vada non lo scegli all'avvio e poi lo rimuovi\n<jester-> spriz: ripristino parte?\n<Peace-> Versilia: se ti dice una cosa 9.99/10 è vero\n<spriz> jester-: compaiono le 2 righe fino al controllo della ram e poi si pianta tutto\n<glpiana> spriz, non ha senso che la macchina non si avvii più\n<spriz> e devo spegnere il notebook dal bottone\n<Versilia> glpiana: ok, si può fare, cos'ì se devo navigare con la penna uso quello\n<jester-> spriz: che hai combinato, è impossibile che non parta in ripristino\n<Versilia> ok grazie a tutti\n<Versilia> ora vado\n<glpiana> Versilia, se va la penna e anche il resto puoi usarlo definitivamente\n<spriz> glpiana: eh lo so, in ripristino dovrebbe andare si, non so manco io xkè non parta\n<Versilia> glpiana: ma scusa preferisco tenermi la versione nuova\n<torn> spriz, a me con la 10.04 lts andava benone! anche compiz e gli effetti grafici!!\n<spriz> torn: infatti su forum ecc ho visto che tutti han optato x tornare a quella versione aspettando che risolvano il problema sulla 11\n<glpiana> Versilia, mi sa che non ci stiamo capendo\n<Versilia> ok ciao a tutto\n<Versilia> glpiana: dimmi\n<spriz> io non avendo mai usato ubuntu non so cosa cambi da una versione all'altra xò\n<glpiana> Versilia, io lo dico per farti tenere la versione di ubuntu nuova\n<torn> jester-, sei una sagoma! ahah sei un grande! :)\n<jester-> lol\n<Versilia> glpiana: nel senso che quando devo navigare uso ilkernel vecchio e quando sono a casa con il wifi uso quella nuova? Ho capito?\n<glpiana> spriz, avvia da livecd e vieni qui\n<jester-> Versilia: il kernel 2.6.39 è piu nuovo del 2.6.38\n<torn> spriz, non so dirti cosa cambi a livello kernel ecc, cmq l'interfaccia grafica è uguale ad \"ubuntu classico\" della 11.04!\n<glpiana> Versilia, aumenta il numero --> versione più recente\n<Versilia> glpiana: beh si mi sembrava.... ma allora non ho capito.\n<spriz> glpiana: una domanda, secondo te vale la pena andare verso la 10.04 se non riesco a risolvere?\n<jester-> non come la morosa che diventa piu vecchia\n<Versilia> glpiana: il39 cos'è, una nuova versione? una beta?\n<jester-> spriz: scaricati la 10.10 va\n<glpiana> Versilia, sono delle release candidate. ma falla sta prova. se non va poi lo rimuovi\n<glpiana> spriz, a me pare strano non riuscire a risolvere su nvidia\n<spriz> jester- : ho letto che ci son problemi anche con la 10.10 x i driver\n<glpiana> spriz, e visto che hai 3 driver a disposizione cercherei di provarli tutti\n<jester-> Versilia: 37 38 39 etc è il numero di rilascio\n<Versilia> glpiana: capito, io invece avevo capito che mi volevate far tornare indietro perché jester- mi aveva chiesto se avevo la vecchia\n<glpiana> spriz, ora però vorrei capire che gli preso al pc\n<glpiana> Versilia, te l'ha chiesto perchè nel caso potevi usare il kernel vecchio sulla release nuova\n<jester-> Versilia: non avendo la vecchia tanto vale provare una piu nuova\n<spriz> glpiana: la scorsa settimana avevo provato, e alla fine compariva lo schermo nero (non so con quale dei 3 driver xò) e non si poteva far nulla\n<glpiana> spriz, mi pare strano che no si possa fare nulla. comuqnue se parti da livecd vediamo di mettere aposto\n<glpiana> * a posto\n<spriz> glpiana: cmq ora avvio in modalità live a veder se riusciamo a risolvere\n<Versilia> jester-: ok allora scarico.. posso fare con ubuntu soft centr.\n<glpiana> Versilia, ti ha spiegato Peace- come fare\n<glpiana> Versilia, e no, non puoi dal software center\n<Versilia> glpiana: ma io vedevo che il file si apriva anche di li uffi:\n<glpiana> Versilia, ah beh se ci clicchi sopra due volte sì\n<glpiana> Versilia, pensavo volessi cercarli dal software center\n<glpiana> Versilia, ma se fai da terminale col comando di Peace- nel caso vediamo gli errori\n<Versilia> glpiana: e quindi va da solo,no? perché da terminale poi non sono capace a dirgli dove si trova il file (che ora è sul desktop)\n<torn> glpiana, ciao, chiedo anche a te, anche se ho chiesto a jester- ma non è riuscito ad aiutarmi purtroppo!! ho 11.04, scheda grafica vecchia con bug annessi, ho l'area di notifica attiva ma non visualizzo correttamente l'icona di skype/emesene. dici che è colpa della scheda grafica?\n<glpiana> Versilia, i file li scarichi con firefox? li trovi nella directory Scaricati\n<glpiana> Versilia, apri un temrinale e scrivi: cd Scaricati\n<torn> glpiana: jester ha provato a farmi resettare gnome, cambiare le icone ma nulla...!\n<Versilia> glpiana: no. l'ho messo sul desktop!\n<glpiana> torn, che interfaccia usi?\n<glpiana> Versilia, allora cd Scrivania\n<Versilia> glpiana: ok, sta andando\n<torn> glpiana: ubuntu classico perché ho un bug con unity e non si vede correttamente..! ora utilizzo i driver open, con i proprietari mi dice che non sono attivi e non ho nemmeno le poche animazioni che ho con gli open\n<glpiana> torn, nvidia?\n<Versilia> glpiana: finito che devo fare ora?\n<spriz> glpiana: eccomi, son con la live cd\n<glpiana> Versilia, l'output riporta errori?\n<glpiana> spriz, ti passo una guida d cui devi seguire i primi passaggi\n<glpiana> !grub | spriz segui per ripristino\n<ubot-it> spriz segui per ripristino: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<Versilia> glpiana: non, ho chiuso\n<spriz> glpiana: ok, cmq non c'entra niente il fatto di aver il dual boot vero?\n<glpiana> spriz, quando hai dato chroot mi chiami\n<glpiana> spriz, no non c'entra\n<torn> glpiana: si 7500 o 5700 non mi ricordo più ahah! ho letto che c'è proprio un bug di unity con queste schede video! il problema è: dici che il problema dell'area di notifica è legato al bug della scheda video o a qualcos'altro? perché se è colpa della scheda me ne faccio una ragione e stop ahah\n<pivellinnn> Ciao a tutti. Ho bisogno di una mano. Mi hanno attivato infostrada ma non riesco a connettermi ne con il cavo ne con la rete wireliss. Ho ubuntu 10.10, grazie\n<glpiana> torn, apri un terminale: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p\n<glpiana> !paste | torn\n<ubot-it> torn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, se attacchi il cavo le lucine del router e quelle della scheda direte del pc lampeggiano?\n<spriz> glpiana: a proposito, se seguo la guida non vado ad intaccare anche la mbr vero? xkè x non star li a ripristinarla, ho usato un programmino che mantiene entrambi i bootloader\n<pivellinnn> si, lampeggiano\n<torn> glpiana: mi da tutti yes! faccio il paste lo stesso?\n<glpiana> spriz, e cosa sarebbe?\n<glpiana> torn, no. lsmod | grep nv\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, ok, sei su un altro pc?\n<pivellinnn> si\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, scrivi: ping -c3 74.125.39.106\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, dimmi se pinga\n<pivellinnn> dove lo devo scrivere?\n<spriz> glpiana: easy bcd o qualcosa del genere mi pare, praticamente installi il grub sulla partizione di ubuntu e non sulla generale, e con questo programmino scegli all'inizio se avviare con il grub o se usare l'mbr\n<torn> glpiana: non da risultato..... non ritorna nulla\n<glpiana> spriz, vabbè mi auguro non sia quello. ma non credo visto che prima avviavi\n<glpiana> torn, lsmod | grep nou\n<Versilia> glpiana:come facciamo a vedere se va?\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Devo scrivere nel terminale? Che vuol dire pinga?\n<torn> glpiana: ok funge, faccio il paste\n<glpiana> Versilia, riavvia e scegli il kernel nuovo\n<torn> glpiana: http://paste.ubuntu.com/612697/\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, devi ottenere qualcosa tipo 64 bytes from fx-in-f106.1e100.net (74.125.39.106): icmp_req=1 ttl=52 time=25.4\n<glpiana> torn, oki, sta usando gli open e gli piacciono. vuoi porvare ad attivare i proprietari?\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Ho scritto nel terminale e mi ha detto comando non trovato\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, hai scritto male allora\n<torn> glpiana: ok va bene!! attivo, riavvio e torno!! :)\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, ping spazio -c3 spazio 74.125.39.106\n<glpiana> torn, spe\n<glpiana> torn, dimmi lspci | grep -i vga cosa risponde\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Mi dice -c3 comando non trovato\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, ma ping lo scrivi o no?\n<torn> glpiana: dice 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV36 [GeForce FX Go5700] (rev a1)\n<glpiana> torn, e ti propone i driver proprietari?\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Mi dice connect: Network is unreachable\n<massimo18> ahhh\n<torn> glpiana: si, in \"driver aggiuntivi\" mi fa vedere i proprietari 173 e gli open\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, scrivi: ifconfig\n<glpiana> torn, oki, provali allora e poi torna\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, dimmi se elenca eth0\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Esce una immensa scritta\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, dimmi se elenca eth0\n<pivellinnn> glpiana si\n<torn> glpiana: ok! ps. wow come fai a pensare, ragionare, capire, scrivere a più persone contemporaneamente?? mitico!!\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, il tuo router è configurato per ip statico o dhcp?\n<glpiana> torn, sono multitasking almeno dal '92\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Non lo so\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, beh con windows come hai fatto a configurare la rete?\n<torn> glpiana: ahahah!!!!! :) torno subito\n<glpiana> :)\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Con window entra e basta. Mi pare che non sia statico\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, scrivi: sudo dhclient\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Aspetta che posto tutto su pastebin\n<glpiana> ok\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, già che lo fai mettici anche l'output di lspci\n<versilia> glpiana: ma non c'era il kernel 39, dovevo aggiornare prima di riavviare?\n<pivellinnn> glpiana http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/612699/\n<glpiana> versilia, che pacchetti hai installato?\n<versilia> glpiana: il kernel come mi hai detto tu\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, ti avevo chiesto anche lspci\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Scusa la prima lettera cosa è?\n<glpiana> versilia, cat /var/log/dpkg.log nel terminale e mi copi le ultime dieci righe\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, elle di livorno\n<versilia> glpiana: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/612700/\n<torn> glpiana: perfetto ora funziona!! ahah! però c'è un nuovo problema... d'oh! non visualizzo più le ombre, le animazioni e l'icona degli spazi di lavoro ora è diversa, sono 4 in fila al posto di una specie di quadrato!! cmq almeno l'icona di skype si vede e riesco a riaprirlo! quindi grazie mille! :)\n<versilia> glpiana: è installato,no? non devo aggiornare il grub?\n<glpiana> versilia, dpkg -l | grep linux-image\n<glpiana> torn, che inerfaccia stai usando ora?\n<glpiana> *interfaccia\n<versilia> glpiana: ok!\n<pivellinnn> glpiana http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/612701/\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, dimmi un attimo, il sistema è aggiornato o è appena installato?\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Aggiornato\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, e come lo hai aggiornato se no nsi collega?\n<glpiana> *non si\n<versilia> glpiana: scusa ma la 39 non c'è ancora. o sbaglio io?\n<glpiana> versilia, no, confermi quello che pensavo ;)\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Avevo e ho ancora la chiavetta\n<glpiana> versilia, hai messo solo gli headers\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, oki, il wifi nel router ce l'hai?\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Si\n<versilia> glpiana: spiegami.. quante cose devo installare?\n<torn> glpiana: sempre ubuntu classico! con ubuntu normale c'è il bug che non mi permette di vedere un accidenti! non compaiono le barre e le finestre o fanno tipo flash, compaiono e scompaiono! cmq in driver aggiuntivi mi dice driver attivato ma non in uso...! e son scomparsi gli open..\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, vediamo di fare andare la wifi allora, anche s emi pare assurdo che non vada l aethernet\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Non si connette con il wifi\n<glpiana> torn, fregatene di quello che ti dice il gestore dei driver. ridai nel terminale il comando di test che hai fatto prima\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, noermale è una broadcom, ora vediamo di farla andare\n<glpiana> *normale\n<versilia> glpiana: ho scaricato anche image, è collpa mia ma mi avevate messo un link solo...\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, nel terminale: sudo rmmod b43\n<torn> glpiana: oh cacchius dovresti ridarmelo perché non lo ricordo!!!!\n<glpiana> torn, freccia in alto e lo ritrovi, è nell'history del terminale\n<glpiana> torn, oppure ctrl+r e scrivi test\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Mi dice Error : modul e b43 not exist in /proc/modules\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, oki, ora scrivi: lsmod | grep wl e dimmi se elenca qualcosa. non mi interessa cosa\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Mi dice Usage: lsmod\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, scrivi bene su: lsmod | grep wl\n<glpiana> non è una i maiuscola, non è una elle\n<glpiana> è un pipe\n<glpiana> shift + \\\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Elenca numeri e lettere\n<torn> glpiana: non riesco con freccia in alto perché sto scrivendo dal browser e riavviandosi si è cancellata la cronologia! scusami!\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, sudo rmmod wl\n<glpiana> <glpiana> torn, apri un terminale: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Fatto\n<torn> glpiana: ho due no a not blacklister e unity supported, faccio il paste?\n<torn> *blacklisted\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, ora scrivi: sudo modprobe b43\n<glpiana> torn, pasta pasta\n<torn> glpiana: ecco qui dovrebbero parlare del bug che ho io https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/772207\n<ubot-it> Launchpad bug 772207 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-173 \"version 173.14.30 is buggy for NVidia GeForce FX series\" [Undecided,Confirmed]\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Fatto\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, ora scrivi: dmesg | tail\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, mi interessa sapere che dice riguardo al firmware\n<torn> glpiana: http://paste.ubuntu.com/612704/\n<glpiana> torn, facciamo una prova. male che vada si impalla tutto :D\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Elenca delle cosa, metto su pastebin?\n<glpiana> torn, scrivi: unity --reset\n<versilia> glpiana: allora riavvio?\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, se mi dici se c'è una riga almeno che parla di firmware non ce n'è bisogno\n<torn> anche se sono in ubuntu classico va bene lo stesso??\n<torn> glpiana: anche se sono in ubuntu classico va bene lo stesso??\n<glpiana> versilia, stavolta ti ha fatto l'enco dei kernel in grub?\n<glpiana> torn, sì\n<glpiana> *elenco\n<versilia> boh, l'ho fatto da gdeb\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Nessuna scritta firmware\n<glpiana> versilia, oki, dpkg -l | grep linux-image e guarda se c'è\n<versilia> glpiana: boh, l'ho fatto da gdeb\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, mettimi le righe su pastebin allora\n<torn> glpiana: fatto, faccio il paste perché non capisco cosa dice...!!!!\n<glpiana> torn, no no, non serve\n<glpiana> torn, non òleggerò mai quell'output\n<versilia> glpiana: si lo vedo. credo sia giusto\n<glpiana> torn, dimmi solo se appare unity oppure no\n<torn> glpiana: okok!! :)\n<glpiana> versilia, la riga inizia con ii ?\n<versilia> glpiana: si, che vuol dire?\n<versilia> glpiana: posso riavviare?\n<glpiana> versilia, che è installato. vai riavvia e vediamo come va\n<glpiana> torn, non mi hai detto però\n<glpiana> torn, è apparsa unity o no?\n<torn> glpiana: faccio prima a fartelo vedere..... son solo 6 righe http://paste.ubuntu.com/612706/\n<pivellinnn> glpiana http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/612707/\n<glpiana> torn, oki, nulla allora se non pa pparsa. la tua scheda è in blacklist\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, lsmod | grep b43 elenca qualcosa?\n<torn> glpiana: nuoooooo!! ok..! cosa consigli di fare? lasciare tutto così e rimanere su ubuntu classico?\n<glpiana> torn, unity-2d?\n<pivellinnn> glpiana http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/612709/\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, ls /lib/firmware/b43 elenca o dice inesistente?\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, non stare a incollare, mi basta sì o no\n<torn> glpiana: mmmm ne ho sentito parlare!! mi vado a informare così non ti faccio perder tempo ahah! solo una cosa...: per installarla si può da software center? sovrascrive gnome?\n<glpiana> torn, ma va là . sudo apt-get install unity-2d\n<glpiana> torn, poi temrini sessione e al loin scegli unity-2d che sarà apparsa\n<glpiana> *login\n<torn> glpiana: ahahahaha faccio subito!! grazie^2!\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Mi dice file o directory inesistente\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, e immagino che sudo iwlist scan risponda non scan result o comuqnue non elenchi le reti\n<torn> glpiana: ah poi volevo chiederti una cosa che non c'entra niente!! se io scarico un programma, metti opera, direttamente dal sito, lo installo, poi quando esce una versione nuova si aggiorna automaticamente??\n<glpiana> torn, no\n<massimo18> -.-\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Mi dice che l'interfaccia non supporta scanning sia per etho che wlan\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, oki, tu ora puoi connetterti per un attimo con la chievetta?\n<glpiana> *chiavetta\n<pivellinnn> glpiana si\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, oki, collegati e vai sui driver proprietari. dimmi che ti elenca per la scheda wifi\n<torn> glpiana: quindi l'unico modo per tener aggiornate automaticamente le applicazioni è tramite software center? o basta che siano nell'elenco del \"gestore pacchetti\"? scusa ma sono abbastanza nuovo di ubuntu e su queste cose ho davvero un sacco di dubbi!! poi basta riavvio e provo unity 2d!! :)\n<Versilia> glpiana: ho fatto, il computer va, ora per vedere se va pure la chiavetta?\n<glpiana> torn, devono essere pacchetti contenuti nei repository. i repository vengono aggiornati e a queò punto vieni avvisato della presenza di aggiornamenti\n<glpiana> Versilia, inseriscila\n<Versilia> glpiana: c'era già \n<glpiana> Versilia, la vedi sul desktop?\n<Versilia> glpiana: no no\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Vado su Sistema - Amministrazione - Driver aggiuntivi e mi dice scaricamento e aggiornamento indici pacchetti, dopo non fa nulla\n<glpiana> Versilia, boh, io di chiavette so un belino.\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, non dice nulla o rimane in palla?\n<pivellinnn> scarica perchè la barra avanza ma dopo non apre niente\n<Versilia> ciao\n<Versilia> glpiana: ok grazie, domani provo se mi aiutare di nuovo je\n<Versilia> a domani\n<glpiana> ciao Versilia\n<torn> glpiana: ok più o meno ci sono!! intanto grazie mille, buona giornata!! :)\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, strano. da terminale: gksu jockey-gtk\n<glpiana> ciao torn\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Cerco di fare l'aggiornamento ma mi dice che non c'è la connessione eppure internet funziona perchè mi apre le pagine\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, mmm... ma lì non deve fare neinte. deve solo aprirti la pagina dei driver agiguntivi\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Ricordo bene che prima li apriva ma oogi no\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, prova a riavviare il pc e riprova\n<pivellinnn> ok\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Non si connette\n<massimo18> ?\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, la chiavetta?\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Il wireliss\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, ma sì lo so che non si connette il wireless. dovevamo provare a vedere i driver aggiuntivi\n<glpiana> ora lo apre dirver aggiuntivi?\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Mi dice, senza connessione, nessun driver proprietartio è in uso in questo sistema. E' assurdo\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, non necessariamente\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Può essere che il problema sia che ho anche installato wicd manager. Ma non li uso contemporaneamente\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, se hai messo wicd hai dovuto togliere network-manager\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, ma non penso c'entri\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Disinstallo wicd?\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, allora dal pc in cui sei ora scaricati: http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5.tar.bz2\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, la versione di ubuntu è? 11.04?\n<pivellinnn> glpiana 10.10\n<massimo18> -.-\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, 32 o 64 bit?\n<pivellinnn> glpiana 32\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, scaricati anche questo http://ubuntu.mirror.cambrium.nl/ubuntu//pool/main/b/b43-fwcutter/b43-fwcutter_013-2_i386.deb\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, quando hai i due pacchetti, li sposti sull'altro pc\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, te li copi nella home. poi apri un terminale\n<fritz91> glpiana, ciao, ecco la tua mosca fastidiosa :), quando effettuo il login senza interfaccia grafica, come faccio a passare alla modalità grafica ridotta senza riavviare?\n<glpiana> fritz91, alt+f7 o f8\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Copiati nella home\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, nel temrinale scrivi: tar xjf broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5.tar.bz2\n<REG_> Ciao\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, fatto?\n<REG_> sto cercando di scaricare synaptic nel mio Xubuntu...non so come fare! Qualcuno mi può aiutare?\n<glpiana> REG_, scaricare synaptic su xubuntu? ma c'è già synaptic ion xubuntu\n<pivellinnn> glpiana fatto\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, cd broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5/driver\n<REG_> glpiana...allora usarlo....\n<pivellinnn> glpiana fatto\n<glpiana> REG_, lo trovi sotto amministrazione, gestore pacchetti syanptic\n<REG_> veramente sto cercando di scaricare Java...e ho letto che prima devo scaricare synaptic\n<REG_> e non devo fare niente per abilitarlo?\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, ora clicca due volte sul pacchetto b43-fwcutter_013-2_i386.deb e installalo\n<glpiana> REG_, su che versione di xubuntu sei?\n<REG_> sono tale genio di non saperlo\n<REG_> come faccio a controllare che versione è?\n<glpiana> REG_, apri un terminale\n<REG_> ok\n<pivellinnn> glpiana installato\n<glpiana> REG_, scrivi: lsb_release -r\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, ora torna nel terminale e scrivi: sudo b43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware/ wl_apsta_mimo.o\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, rispetta gli spazi\n<REG_> 10.04\n<glpiana> REG_, oki, hai aperto synaptic?\n<pivellinnn> glpiana ho fatto, è uscita una scritta\n<REG_> non so mica da dove?\n<glpiana> REG_, ma te l'ho scritto prima -.-\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, vediamo\n<REG_> perdon! già seguirti mi manda in tilt i due miei neuroni..lo cerco\n<glpiana> REG_, ti ho scritto che è sotto amministrazione gestore pacchetti\n<REG_> ok un attimo\n<[KVM]> Ciao!\n<pivellinnn> glpiana http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/612722/\n<[KVM]> chi vuole dare una occhiata questo?\n<[KVM]> http://www.soundcafe.it/out.ogv\n<REG_> glpiana, l'ho aperto\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, cosa ti ho scritto a fare di rispettare gli spazi se poi tu non lo fai?\n<glpiana> REG_, vai su impostazioni repository\n<REG_> ok\n<glpiana> !chat | [KVM]\n<ubot-it> [KVM]: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<glpiana> [KVM], e non spammare per cortesia\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Riprovo\n<[KVM]> ok non era spam\n<[KVM]> era un contributo grossissimo alla comunità \n<glpiana> [KVM], come lo definisci?\n<glpiana> [KVM], sul canale di supporto?\n<glpiana> !irc | [KVM]\n<ubot-it> [KVM]: leggi le Linee Guida del canale su http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoIrc/LineeGuida\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Ha estratto delle cose\n<[KVM]> finalmente google sketchup su linux... senza sbattimenti\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, perfetto. ora: sudo rmmod b43\n<REG_> ci sono su repository\n<glpiana> !chat | [KVM] e due\n<ubot-it> [KVM] e due: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<pivellinnn> glpiana da errore\n<[KVM]> si si vado vado ;P\n<glpiana> REG_, vai nella seconda scheda e metti la psunta hai repository partner di canonical\n<glpiana> [KVM], e basta\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, dice che non c'è nella lista?\n<pivellinnn> esatto\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, oki, ora sudo rmmod wl\n<pivellinnn> glpiana fatto\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, ora sudo modprobe b43\n<pivellinnn> glpiana fatto\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, ora: dmesg | tail e dimmi se leggi firmware da qualche parte\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Si\n<massimo18> \\o/\n<glpiana> alè!\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, sudo iwlist scan\n<REG_> vai nella seconda scheda e metti la psunta hai repository partner di canonical : glpiana non ho capito che cosa dovrei fare (grazie per la pazienza)\n<glpiana> REG_, hai detto che hai aperto repository da synaptic, giusto?\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Sono uscite delle scritte\n<REG_> giusto\n<REG_> si\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, prova a collegarti dall'icona dell arete\n<glpiana> REG_, ci sono più schede nella finestra che hai aperto, giusto?\n<pivellinnn> glpiana wireliss o cavo?\n<glpiana> pivellinnn, wireless\n<glpiana> svanisco. a più tardi\n<REG_> si software per Ubuntu,Atro software,\n<REG_> nooo\n<REG_> :'(\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Gira poi chiede la password gira ancora ma non si connette\n<REG_> qualcuno mi può aiutare a scaricare java nel mio pc?\n<pivellinnn> glpiana Non si connette, che devo fare?\n<K99Brain> REG_, abilita i repository partner e installa il pacchetto sun-java6-plugin\n<REG_> non so mica come abilitare i repository partner.....\n<K99Brain> !repository | REG_\n<ubot-it> REG_: Guida ai repository: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Repository e http://help.ubuntu-it.org/8.04/ubuntu/add-applications/it/extra-repositories.html | Esempio di sources.list http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Repository/SourcesList | Da Kubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Repository/Kubuntu\n<REG_> lo so che non sembra vero..ma non so arrivarci\n<K99Brain> REG_, http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Repository/Ubuntu\n<K99Brain> c'è scritto\n<REG_> ok..speravo un qualcosa più facile! Grazie :)\n<K99Brain> REG_, piu facile che fare 3 o 4 click?\n<REG_> sarà il caldo...\n<REG_> :D\n<daniele> ciao a tutti\n<daniele> come faccio a ripritinare la data e l'orario sul pannello gnome 2.30?\n<nicotano> salve\n<Pyrox> salve a tutti :) c'è qualcuno che può darmi una mano?\n<Holden> !qualcuno | Pyrox\n<nicotano> !qualcuno | Pyrox\n<ubot-it> Pyrox: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<Pyrox> praticamente ho installato ubuntu 11.04 in dual boot con xp su 2 hard disk diversi, ho dovuto installare grub manualmente perchè l'installazione mi dava errore nell'installare il bootloader... comunque adesso facendo update-grub2 rileva xp, maquando vado ad avviarlo mi rimane una schermata nera e si riavvia il pc, mentre se scollego l'hard disk con sopra ubuntu xp si avvia normalmente...\n<Odo> Pyrox, ascolta ma quando scolleghi l'hd di ubuntu il grub compare? o parte diretto xp?\n<Pyrox> no parte diretto xp\n<Odo> ah ecco\n<Odo> allora...\n<Odo> disco 1 xp e disco 2 ubuntu?\n<Pyrox> no disco 1 ubuntu e disco 2 xp\n<Odo> Pyrox, ti dico come farei io ok?\n<Pyrox> ok\n<Odo> spe fammi un sudo fdisk -l\n<Odo> e incolla in paste fammi guardare un attimino\n<Pyrox> http://pastebin.com/WJTjSvK8\n<lucazade> ciao... qualcuno è in grado di aiutarmi con il bug 788138 ?\n<ubot-it> Launchpad bug 788138 in plymouth \"group default.plymouth is broken\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/788138\n<Odo> Pyrox, il grub come lo hai installato? ho letto che lo hai installato manualmente che passaggi hai fatto?\n<Pyrox> ho seguito il wiki\n<Odo> Pyrox, pero' ubuntu ti parte, e' solo xp che non ti parte giusto?\n<Pyrox> si si ubuntu parte, windows no, ma se stacco l'hard disk di ubuntu parte\n<Odo> guarda non dovrebbe partire, perche' se lo hai messo sul secondo disco il bios dice di partire dal primo disco non e' che poi non trova il primo e poi parte dal secondo, ecco questa e' una cosa un po' anomala\n<Odo> mi incolli anche questo per favore: cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg\n<Odo> e poi...\n<Odo> Pyrox, il wiki che hai seguito ti ha fatto partire da live e fare chroot?\n<Pyrox> si\n<Odo> Pyrox, se mi incolli quella riga, poi si potrebbe provare una cosa\n<Pyrox> eccolo http://pastebin.com/pg49cJBA\n<romeopapa> salve, ho un problema con natty, ogni tanto si blocca la barra laterale, nel senso che non rientra...e copre le applicazioni, che faccio?\n<Odo> Pyrox, allora non so quanto sei pratico, ti dico come farei io, ti faccio prima una domanda sei pratico del bios?\n<Pyrox> dipene quanto pratico :D se si tratta di cambiare priorità degli hard disk e cose così si\n<romeopapa> nessuno?\n<romeopapa> glpiana, ?\n<Odo> Pyrox, io metterei fisicamente il disco di ubuntu come secondo disco, proprio a livello hardware in modo che diventa sataB e chiaramente il disco di win sataA\n<Odo> Pyrox, poi dal bios direi di partire dal disco Satab (ubuntu)\n<Odo> penso che in questo modo vada, non so se hai difficolta' a fare questa cosa, in alternativa prendi una live e si rifa' la procedura chroot qui insieme\n<francesco_93> salve a tutti, ho bisogno di aiuto.... posso chiedervi qualche dritta?\n<Pyrox> allora, premetto che uso ubuntu da un paio di anni sempre con questa configurazione dei 2 hard disk quindi deve andare per forza in qualhce modo senza cambiare posizione :D il fatto è di solito installo prima xp e poi ubuntu, che mi riconosce xp e configura il grub automaticamente, mentre questa volta mi ha dato un errore nell'installazione del bootloader e quindi ho dovuto fare il tutto manualmente...\n<nicotano> !chiedi | francesco_93\n<ubot-it> francesco_93: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<K99Brain> Pyrox, prova ad eseguire la procedura di ripristino del grub\n<Odo> Pyrox, si ma metti sempre xp come secondo disco?\n<K99Brain> !grub ¦ Pyrox\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'grub \\xc2\\xa6 Pyrox'\n<K99Brain> !grub | Pyrox\n<ubot-it> Pyrox: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<Pyrox> @Odo si si la configurazione è sempre quella\n<ubottu-it> Pyrox: Error: \"Odo\" is not a valid command.\n<Odo> K99Brain, sta tranquillo e' una discusisone gia iniziata\n<K99Brain> Odo, ok\n<francesco_93> Dunque... dopo aver scaricato e masterizzato l'immagine della live di Ubuntu 11.04, al momento del boot, il live cd non si avvia sostituito da uno sfondo nero con scritte bianche... a me indecifrabili. Cercando nel forum prima di rivolgermi qui, ho trovato una discussione identica alla mia ma senza risultato: http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/index.php/topic,455572.msg3559552.html#msg3559552\n<francesco_93> li c'è l'immagine che mi appare.... qualcuno può aiutarmi? come posso far partire il live cd e installare il nuovo Ubuntu?\n<Odo> Pyrox, dando il sudo update-grub non ti da errori giusto?\n<Pyrox> ho anche provato a fare un fixboot-fixmbr e a reinstallare grub, ma niente\n<Pyrox> no niente errori\n<K99Brain> francesco_93, prima di masterizzare, hai controllato l'md5 della iso?\n<francesco_93> sinceramente no.... non l'avevo mai fatto e mi era sempre andata bene.... non so dove trovare l'md5 di questa distro.\n<Odo> Pyrox, non so, mi sembra banale dirti riprova ancora con il ripristino penso che ci sia dell'altro\n<K99Brain> !md5 | francesco_93\n<ubot-it> francesco_93: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Md5Sum\n<K99Brain> francesco_93, controllalo, non sia mai che hai una immagine con errori\n<K99Brain> francesco_93, poi fai anche il check del cd masterizzato\n<Odo> Pyrox, in alternativa potresti installarlo sul grub di windows e dire al bios di partire dal secondo disco\n<Pyrox> Odo, guarda sono 2 giorni che sto impazzendo... le ho provate veramente tutte... se uscisse un errore dopo il grub almeno... ma rimane tutto nero e si riavvia\n<francesco_93> ai, questo non so come farlo... sarebbe quello del masterizzattore? controlla scrittura del disco?\n<Odo> Pyrox, se ti va installa il grub sul secondo disco e nel bos gli dici di partire da sataB\n<Pyrox> Odo, quindi nel mio caso fare il ripristino grub facendo il chroot su sdb e installandolo là ?\n<Odo> Pyrox, ma per me resta una prova, non una certezza\n<Odo> no spetta la procedura di ripristino e' sempre quella l'unica cosa che cambierai e la parte dove dice di installare in sda, li dirai sdb\n<Pyrox> si si intendevo quello D\n<Odo> e dopo devi ricordarti di cambiare nel bios la priorita' di boot\n<Odo> ok perfetto\n<Pyrox> posso provare\n<Pyrox> devo prima disinstallare il grub che c'è adesso? se no poi ne avrò 2 su 2 hard disk\n<Odo> Pyrox, naaaa\n<Odo> che ti frega\n<Odo> tanto se non ti incasini nel bios lo sai\n<Pyrox> si in effetti\n<Pyrox> tanto il boot lo fa solo da un hard disk\n<Pyrox> boh vado a fare questa nuova prova\n<francesco_93> ora scarico l'immagine perchè dopo la masterizzazione l'avevo eliminata e dpo vi farò sapere.... buon pomeriggio!\n<Pyrox> Odo, grazie per la dritta, magari ripasso dopo per aggiornarti\n<Odo> si ook speriamo bene\n<torn> glpiana: ciao gl sono ancora qua ahahah! unity 2D è power! l'icona di skype si vede ma...... quella di emesene no! d'oh! ho provato anche con i driver open ma niente, tra l'altro non avevo provato prima emesene con ubuntu classico...! sai il perché???? skype si e emesene no... installato dal software center...\n<Pyrox> Odo, rieccomi, non è cambiato niente... sempre la stessa cosa\n<Odo> Pyrox, ascolta io proverei a reinstallare solo ubuntu allora..\n<glpiana> torn, le hai messe in whitelist ste icone?\n<glpiana> torn, vabbè ne riparliamo che devo andare\n<glpiana> ciao a tutti\n<Pyrox> ieri l'ho installato 3 volte e mi ha sempre dato quell'errore del bootloader, anche se non riesco a capire il perchè...\n<torn> mmmmmmmm non so cos'è whitelist ahahha!!! okok buona giornata ciaoooooooo :)\n<Pyrox> ho controllato anche l'integrità del cd\n<Odo> pyrox hai provato a guardare su launchpad l'errore preciso?\n<Pyrox> hmm no\n<Pyrox> dovrebbe essere questo https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/686859\n<ubot-it> Launchpad bug 686859 in ubiquity \"\"Bootloader install failed\" cannot be closed\" [Undecided,Confirmed]\n<Pyrox> anzi questo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/703009\n<ubot-it> Launchpad bug 703009 in grub2 \"grub-probe: error: cannot stat `aufs'.\" [Undecided,Confirmed]\n<Pyrox> provo a installare la LTS... magari mi rileva subito windows e boh\n<roger_> ciao ragazzi!\n<MatteoR> ciao roger_\n<roger_> Ennesimo problemino..^_^..: ho comperato un lettore mp3 (mpman - smarty3) ma Ubuntu non lo vede...come posso risolvere?\n<MatteoR1> Ops...\n<matteo_> ciao a tutti\n<MatteoR> ciao matteo_\n<matteo_> ho un problema\n<Peace-> come tutti matteo_\n<Peace-> chi piu chi meno...\n<roger_> ciao\n<MatteoR> !qualcuno | matteo_\n<ubot-it> matteo_: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<matteo_> giusto :) ho appena installato ubuntu 11.04 sul mio vecchio hp vectra (avrà una decina di anni). al temine dell'installazione mi viene chiesto di riavviare il sistema, purtroppo però mi si blocca ad una schermata nera piena di scritte.. cosa devo fare?\n<matteo_> grazie mille\n<MatteoR> matteo_: Sai dirci cosa c'era scritto?\n<matteo_> sì\n<matteo_> credo si tratti una sorta di check list prima dell'avvio.. una serie di starting e stopping\n<matteo_> gli esiti sembrano tutti positivi perchè a destra della schermata vedo solo degli OK\n<MatteoR> matteo_: Il pc non si spegne? Anche con il live cd?\n<matteo_> sì cliccando si RIAVVIA il pc si è effettivamente riavviato.. ha anche espulso il cd\n<MatteoR> matteo_: Ah quindi tu hai visto solo delle scritte prima del riavvio? Se sì, è normale.\n<matteo_> capisco ma è fermo a questa schermata da circa 30 minuti..\n<matteo_> se vi è utile posso dirvi che l'ultima voce di tutto l'elenco che rimane impresso sullo schermo è: checkin for running unattended-upgrades: *asking all remaining processes to terminate...\n<MatteoR> matteo_: Ah capisco... puoi spegnerlo forzatamente.\n<matteo_> allora procedo?\n<MatteoR> matteo_: Ogni tanto fa così\n<MatteoR> matteo_: Sì tranquilla\n<MatteoR> *tranquillo\n<matteo_> ok ora lo spengo e dopo lo riaccendo\n<matteo_> ok il risultato è più o meno lo stesso\n<matteo_> elenco di configurazioni fino ad un checking battery state...\n<matteo_> tutti positivi tranne la voce stopping automatic crash report generation\n<matteo_> a destra di questa voce mi da FAIL\n<matteo_> dopo l'ultima voce penso mi dia la possibilità di scrivere perchè vedo il trattino lampeggiare\n<matteo_> non dà ancora segni di vita...\n<Gierre66> salve, sono sul posto giusto per chiedere assistenza tecnica?\n<MatteoR> Gierre66: Sì. chiedi pure\n<matteo_> credo che stia per spegnersi\n<Gierre66> Primo approccio al mondo Linux... vorrei installare ubuntu in dual boot su un notebook dove e' gia' presente XP\n<MatteoR> matteo_: Ok. dimmi se si spegne\n<MatteoR> !installazione | Gierre66 Basta cercare un po'. Qui ci sono le guide\n<ubot-it> Gierre66 Basta cercare un po'. Qui ci sono le guide: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<matteo_> no, per un attimo si era acceso il led della cpu rimanendo fisso, ma alla fine ha soltanto mandato in standby il monitor\n<Gierre66> ok, quelle le ho trovate. Non so solo come comportarmi con le partizioni... sistema tutto da solo?\n<MatteoR> Gierre66: Leggi bene la guida passo per passo.\n<MatteoR> Gierre66: C'è scritto tutto lì. E' facile.\n<matteo_> niente è sempre tutto fermo\n<MatteoR> matteo_: Hai un computer a cui non piace linux. Anch'io ne avevo uno. Purtroppo su questo non sono esperto e non so aiutarti\n<Gierre66> quale delle tante? Avevo cominciato con quelle della comunità passare a Ubuntu. Procedo con quella?\n<MatteoR> Gierre66: Sì Installazione grafice\n<matteo_> e se installassi una versione precedente? perchè avevo già installato la 8 e andava tutto bene..\n<MatteoR> matteo_: Prova, ma non so aiutarti io.\n<matteo_> va bene, grazie per il tempo dedicatomi! buon proseguimento\n<Gierre66> ok... ultimo quiz e poi vado a fare danni. Esistono guide personalizzate per singoli modelli di Notebook? Io ho un inspiron 6400 e sul ma sul thread ufficiale di HWupgrade sono rimasti un po' indiestro con le informazioni\n<K99Brain> Gierre66, la cosa migliore è provare\n<K99Brain> Gierre66, usa il live cd\n<Gierre66> il live cd e' quello per la installazione di prova?\n<Guest85023> Ciao\n<K99Brain> Gierre66, si\n<MatteoR> ciao Guest85023\n<Guest85023> ho un problema con l'installazione di linux\n<torn> glpiana: dove sei amicooooooo ce l'ho fattaaaaaaaaa :((\n<Gierre66> l'appetito vien mangiano: il mio Xp e' a 32bit... posso installare in duale la versione Ubuntu a 64 visto che il notebook la regge?\n<K99Brain> Gierre66, e che c'èntra xp?\n<K99Brain> Gierre66, sono sistemi operativi diversi\n<Gierre66> ok... era un dubbio che mi e' venuto al momento. Avevo paura di una reazione anafilittica tra i due 32 vs 64. :)\n<MatteoR> Guest85023: Esponi pure l tuo problema\n<Gierre66> bon... grazie a tutti per ora. Immagino non mancheranno le occasioni per risentirci... buon proseguimento.\n<Guest85023> salve potraste darmi una mano a risolvere il problema di installazione di linux?\n<Guest85023> il mio problema è questo: parte l'installazione, scelgo la lingua, clicco su installa e dopo un po' mi appare questo messaggio\n<Guest85023> BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu7) Built-in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. (initramfs)\n<Guest85023> come posso risolvere?\n<checco> ciao a tutti...il mio rebus e questo..possiedo una micro sd da 8 giga...dovo varie modifiche sulla stessa di dati..presenta un problema..non posso piu modificarne il contenuto..mi dice che e di sola lettura...provo a cambiare i permessi ..ma nulla...formatto tutto ricopio ..il problema sembra risolversi..ma successivamente alla rimodifica dei file si ripresenta\n<checco> come faccio????\n<checco> ciao a tutti...il mio rebus e questo..possiedo una micro sd da 8 giga...dovo varie modifiche sulla stessa di dati..presenta un problema..non posso piu modificarne il contenuto..mi dice che e di sola lettura...provo a cambiare i permessi ..ma nulla...formatto tutto ricopio ..il problema sembra risolversi..ma successivamente alla rimodifica dei file si ripresenta [18:28] <checco> come faccio????(scusate se ripeto il messaggio...non so \n<jester-> checco: sa di sd ciucca\n<checco> ????\n<jester-> facile che è partito qualche settore, poi il filesystem presenta errori e te la monta in sola lettura\n<checco> che significa sto messaggio\n<jester-> checco: il senso sarebbe che è da rottamare, forse\n<checco> scusami ho capito invece di ciucca...ciuccia..........iihihihihi scusami...lolol\n<jester-> checco: fai una prova\n<checco> minkia ma e nuovaaaaaaaaa\n<jester-> checco: sudo fdisk -l e vedi che sdx è\n<jester-> checco: poi senza sbagliare o ti rivergina un hd dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx bs=512 count=1\n<jester-> x= lettera della periferica\n<jester-> checco: poi la partizioni e la formatti da gparted in fat32\n<checco> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/612834/\n<jester-> checco: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1\n<checco> fatto e ora come faccio a fare la partizione da gparted in fat32.... dopo il secondo comando posso toglierla???\n<jester-> checco: apri gparted\n<jester-> checco: vai su sdb\n<checco> se mando il comando gparted mi dice che non e installato...possibile che sbaglio come aprirlo da terminale???\n<jester-> checco installalo\n<jester-> checco: e cercalo in amministrazione(editro partizioni)\n<checco> ok........\n<checco> jester mi serve ancora una mano scusami....vado ad aprire il programma ma non so usarlo..mi dici i passaggi perfavore???\n<checco> ho aggiornato i dispositivi....\n<checco> me li da in Gib\n<jester-> checco: checco clicca su sda e vai su sdb\n<jester-> checco: dovresti solo spazio non allocato\n<checco> ok trovato\n<jester-> checco: clicca destro sullo spazio non allocato e poi su nuovo\n<checco> crea tabella partizioni ...\n<jester-> checco: se chiede di fare la tabella dai ok\n<checco> fatto\n<jester-> checco: destro e nuovo\n<jester-> lasci l'intero spazio e poi scegli fat32\n<checco> nessuna tabella trovata su prtizioni sdb\n<jester-> checco: quando clicchi nuovo ti chiede che serve la tabelle e devi confermare\n<checco> si ma mi dice di farla dal menu dispositivo e crea tabella partizioni..poi mi da una lista\n<jester-> checco: oppure vai nel menu dispositivo e creala\n<jester-> checco: lascia quello che propone mi pare sia dos\n<jaf> ciao a tutti ho un problema...ho installato su una penna usb ubuntu ora sto tentando di formattarla...ma win7 continua a riconoscerla come mai?\n<checco> vado acreare la partizione...attenzione potrebbero cancellarsi i file du sdb....\n<filo1234> jaf: ?\n<jester-> checco: ok creala\n<checco> lascio bios era quello il rebus...\n<jester-> jaf: cioè?\n<checco> ce scusa dos\n<jaf> ok non mi sono spiegato bene...ho installato ubuntu su hd usb\n<jaf> con i file di bot\n<jaf> ora sto tentando di formattarlo\n<sparkling> salve a tutti\n<jester-> file di bot?\n<jaf> anche\n<filo1234> jaf: ma sei su ubuntu?\n<jester-> jaf: che sarebbe?\n<sparkling> in un file .sh, questo comando echo \"/share/HDA_DATA/.qpkg/Optware/lib/\" >> /etc/ld.so.conf cosa significa?\n<jaf> si ho messo il cd e sto viaggiando col trial\n<jaf> così mi lege l'hd\n<filo1234> sparkling: scrive quella stringa \" ....\" nel file ld.so.conf\n<sparkling> in aggiunta?\n<filo1234> si\n<jester-> sanova: ti scrive /share/HDA_DATA/.qpkg/Optware/lib/\" in /etc/ld.so.conf\n<jester-> jaf: sai che non si capisce il problema?\n<jaf> ok\n<jaf> riprovo a spiegare\n<jaf> voglio formattare un hd che in modo che win me lo legga sapete come fare?\n<sparkling> filo1234: ok grazie..scusate ma dovrò farvi altre 2-3 domande stupide perchè devo capire a cosa serve sto cacchio di file che mi hanno fatto scrivere...\n<jaf> formattare con ubuntu\n<checco> jester....grazie mille....se e da 8 giga mi puo far fare una partizione grande massimo 7,41 gb non e una buona microsd giusto??...\n<jester-> checco: parte dello spazio rimane riservato, succede cosi anche su hd\n<sparkling> lanciare \"ldconfig\" a vuoto immagino che serve per \"inizializzare\" il file ld.so.conf che ho appena modificato\n<jester-> jaf: lo formatti in ntfs\n<checco> aa ok quindi grazie ancora caro...vieni a cagliari e ciai una serata di bevute al poetto....ciaoooo\n<jester-> jaf: usa gparted\n<jaf> ok come?\n<jester-> checco: ti mando filo1234 e porta la sorella\n<filo1234> la sua però\n<jester-> checco: menu amministrazione\n<jester-> filo1234: eccerto\n<filo1234> lol\n<checco> hahahahaah io porto mia cugina...\n<jester-> ho scritto porta non che porta\n<jester-> checco: va bene anche la cuggina\n<sparkling> infine il comando export EVENT_NOEPOLL=0 cosa fa^\n<sparkling> ^\n<sparkling> ?\n<checco> ihihiihhii ciao raga\n<filo1234> esporta la variabile EVENT_NOEPOLL e le assegna il valore 0\n<sparkling> la esporta da dove?\n<filo1234> la rende disponibile\n<jaf> come faccio a formattarlo in ntfs?\n<filo1234> per tutti gli script che devono usarla\n<jester-> jaf: hai aperto gparted?\n<jaf> non so dov'è\n<jester-> dov'è dov'è la gnoccaaa?\n<jaf> sono col cd trial\n<jester-> <jester-> checco: menu amministrazione\n<jaf> trovato\n<jester-> <jester-> jaf: menu amministrazione\n<pivellinnn> ciao\n<jaf> ci sono\n<sparkling> filo1234 ok grazie: ultima domanda: tramite terminale digito il comando per lanciare un demone che rimane in esecuzione finchè tengo il terminale aperto...chiudendolo il comando si termina... è possibile lanciare un comando in background senza che venga terminato alla chiusura del terminale? immagino di sì ..mi sapreste dare qualche dritta su come fare?\n<sparkling> grazie\n<filo1234> sparkling: comando &\n<pivellinnn> Non riesco a collegarmi a internet ne con il cavo ne con la rete wireliss. Ho ubuntu 10.10. Qualcuno che mi aiuta per npiacere, grazie\n<jester-> jaf: vai sulla partizione da formattare, clicchi destroe poi formatta\n<sparkling> e se il comando ha dei parametri? tipo comand-daemon -g -t / ecc....?\n<filo1234> non cambia nulla metti & alla fine\n<jester-> pivellinnn: ifconfig la vede eth0?\n<sparkling> ok grazie\n<pivellinnn> jester si\n<jester-> pivellinnn: ha un ip assegnato?\n<pivellinnn> credo di no\n<jester-> controlla\n<pivellinnn> jester come controllo?\n<jester-> pivellinnn: da ifconfig alla voce indirizzo inet\n<pivellinnn> jester ci sono lettere e numeri ma non c'è la parola \"ip\" e credo che non c'è l'indirizzo ip assegnato\n<jester-> pivellinnn: da ifconfig alla voce indirizzo inet\n<pivellinnn> jester aspetta che posto su pastebin\n<jester-> pivellinnn: come sei collegato a internet adesso\n<pivellinnn> un altro pc\n<jester-> pivellinnn: il pc in questine è collegato col cavo?\n<jester-> questione*\n<pivellinnn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612852/\n<jester-> pivellinnn: il pc in questione è collegato col cavo?\n<pivellinnn> jester Il pc da cui scrivo è collegato in wireliss\n<jester-> pivellinnn: il pc in questione è collegato col cavo? e 4\n<pivellinnn> l'altro è sconnesso\n<jester-> pivellinnn: il pc in questione è collegato col cavo? e 5\n<pivellinnn> jester No\n<sparkling> filo1234 ovviamente la & fuhziona alla perfezione...ma giusto per capire...io ho un file chiamato autostart.sh che viene lanciato ad ogni avvio...dentro oltre ai comandi sopra (che comunque non credo siano essenziali per il funzionamento del programma) c'è questo export qui: http://pastebin.com/w08JTmsf è possibile che quella stringa lanci il demone di cui parlavo prima? grazie\n<jester-> pivellinnn: se non attacchi il cavo come fa ad assegnare un ip alla eth\n<pivellinnn> jester Ho collegato il cavo e ora di nuovo il comando\n<filo1234> sparkling: se intendi transmission-daemon si\n<jester-> pivellinnn: dai prima sudo dhclient eth0\n<sparkling> filo1234 ok ora ci ragiono su un po poi magari rifaccio una domanda :D\n<pivellinnn> jester ok\n<sparkling> grazie per ora\n<jester-> sparkling: poi filo1234 ti fa in video tipo: come diventare fakiri in 7 giorni\n<filo1234> lol\n<sparkling> filo1234 ah ecco scusa.. quella che ho pastato è un'unica riga? oppure va spezzata arrivato a \"/transmission/web\" - invio ?\n<sparkling> jester- mitico!\n<jester-> lol\n<filo1234> no è una riga unica\n<sparkling> ok\n<sparkling> riavvio il ns e vedo di capire cosa c'è che non va...\n<pivellinnn> jester http://paste.ubuntu.com/612855/\n<filo1234> sparkling: è eseguibile quello script?\n<filo1234> da dove e come lo lanci?\n<sparkling> lo script si... il file è salvato in una partizione del nas apposita che viene letta all'avvio e lancia automaticamente il file autostart.sh\n<jester-> pivellinnn: sudo dhclient eth1\n<jester-> che non si sa quale hai attaccata\n<sparkling> il file garantisco che viene lanciato ed è eseguibile...magari il problema è da un'altra parte quindi ora riavvio e verifico con top se il demone viene lanciato...\n<sparkling> poi vedo...se non parte è qualcosa nel file autostart...se parte ma non entro nel webservice allora è colpa del programma che ha qualche impostazione settata male\n<pivellinnn> jester http://paste.ubuntu.com/612856/\n<jester-> pivellinnn: eth1 ha l'indirizzo?\n<jester-> pivellinnn: NAT è abilitato nel router?\n<pivellinnn> jester Scusa mi sono spostato un attimo\n<pivellinnn> jester Come faccio a controllare le due cose?\n<jester-> pivellinnn: ifconfig per la eth1 e nel router ci devi entrare\n<pivellinnn> jester http://paste.ubuntu.com/612859/ in pastebin c'è l'eth1 e nel router come ci entro?\n<Harris> sera ragazzi\n<Harris> avrei bisogno di una mano\n<jester-> !chiedi | Harris\n<ubot-it> Harris: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<Harris> ho fatto l'aggiornamento alla 11.04 e mi è scomparsa l'indicatore dell apercentuale del wifi, mi si vede soltanto l'icona con le varie connessioni\n<jester-> Harris: avevi aggiunto un applet?\n<Harris> jester-, no è proprio il network manager\n<Harris> quello predefinito di ubuntu\n<jester-> Harris: se ci vai sopra con il puntatore la vedi la %\n<jester-> Harris: o clicchi destro e informazionei connessione\n<Harris> jester-, no nn mi compare proprio nulla nemmeno se premo tasto destro\n<jester-> Harris: non cè l'icona rete?\n<jester-> !gnomereset | Harris\n<ubot-it> Harris: Per resettare gnome alle sue impostazioni di default rinominare le cartelle nascoste nella propria home .gnome2 .config .gconf .gconfd .gnome2_private e riavviare la sessione\n<jester-> Harris: se usi unity dai il comando unity --reset\n<Harris> jester-, si l'icona c'è ma non mi da la possibilità di vedere la percentuale\n<Harris> jester-, uso ubuntu classico (gnome)\n<jester-> !gnomereset | Harris\n<ubot-it> Harris: Per resettare gnome alle sue impostazioni di default rinominare le cartelle nascoste nella propria home .gnome2 .config .gconf .gconfd .gnome2_private e riavviare la sessione\n<Harris> jester-, ubot-it, ci provo e vi faccio sapere\n<jester-> Harris: ubot-it è solo un bot che a comando risponde\n<pivellinnn> jester Che devo fare\n<jester-> pivellinnn: reisntalla col cavo attaccato o viene natale\n<pivellinnn> jester non ho nessuna voglia di reistallare, chiedo a qualche altro\n<pivellinnn> jester grazie lo stesso\n<Harris> jester-, no cosi non va\n<jester-> Harris: cioè?\n<pivellinnn> Non riesco a collegarmi a internet ne con il cavo ne con la rete wireliss. Ho ubuntu 10.10. Qualcuno che mi aiuta per npiacere, grazie\n<Harris> jester-, ho fatto quello che ha detto di fare il bot ma nn va lo stesso\n<freedom_> Ciao a tutti, volevo sapere se qualcuno mi poteva segnalare una guida per creare una chiavetta USB da Windows per installare Linux.\n<jester-> Harris: se ci metti sopra il puntatore del mouse all'icona senza cliccare?\n<Harris> jester-, no nn esce niente\n<HoldenC> freedom_, hai guardato sul wiki?\n<freedom_> c'è una guida ma è da sistema operativo Linux\n<jester-> freedom_: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download ti fa pure le figure\n<jester-> freedom_: a Burn your CD or create a USB drive\n<freedom_> Ok grazie\n<freedom_> avevo visto da un altra parte\n<jester-> pallino su usb e winzoz e clicchi show me\n<freedom_> Ma c'è anche una procedura da rete con pc windwos?\n<HoldenC> jester-, ottima quella guida, a prova di noob :D\n<jester-> HoldenC: oggià \n<jester-> HoldenC: ma siccome va bene non è segnalata\n<freedom_> Ho trovato una guida ma richiede di creare un server linux che non ho\n<jester-> freedom_: le possibilità stanno tutte li\n<HoldenC> jester-, forse bisognerebbe aggiungere una nota al wiki, cosi le persone possono trovarla\n<jester-> HoldenC: l'abbiamo nel bot alla voce !installazione, il wiki si incazzano se lo paciocchi\n<HoldenC> jester-, ok\n<jester-> HoldenC: andrebbe tradotta\n<enrylinux> attivare effetti di compiz senza che unity crashi qualcuno ha risolto?\n<HoldenC> jester-, sono poche frasi, non sarebbe difficile\n<jester-> enrylinux: unity è un plugin di compiz\n<jester-> enrylinux: non puoi fare altro\n<enrylinux> strano\n<jester-> HoldenC: avevano lincato la pagina alla home ubuntu-it al rilascio, adesso guarda cosa c'è\n<jester-> enrylinux: non è strano\n<jester-> enrylinux: da unity non puoi avere tutte le cazzate compiz\n<jester-> per adesso\n<enrylinux> questo succede anche da ubuntu classic\n<jester-> !ccsm | enrylinux\n<ubot-it> enrylinux: Per abilitare effetti visivi aggiuntivi personalizzabili in Ubuntu: installa 'compizconfig-settings-manager' o 'simple-ccsm'. Dopo l'installazione apparirà la relativa icona in Sistema Preferenze - Vedi anche !compiz - Aiuto in #compiz-fusion\n<enrylinux> fatto ma crasha anche lui\n<filo1234> freedom_: cerca unetbootin\n<jester-> enrylinux: che scheda video hai\n<enrylinux> nvidia 7600\n<jester-> enrylinux: messo il driver?\n<enrylinux> certo\n<jester-> enrylinux: i nvidia in nattuy sono un po sminchiati\n<enrylinux> è l'unica pecca che ho riscontrato in natty\n<jester-> enrylinux: metti nel pastebin la risposta a cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf\n<nio> help me\n<enrylinux> ok jester\n<enrylinux> jester- volevi sapere\n<jester-> enrylinux: metti nel pastebin la risposta a cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf\n<jester-> !paste | enrylinux\n<ubot-it> enrylinux: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<enrylinux> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612884/\n<enrylinux> ok\n<sparkling> col comando shutdown -r now, da terminale, vedo tutta la sequenza di shutdown per capire eventuali punti dove si blocca?\n<jester-> enrylinux: svuotalo e incollaci questo http://paste.ubuntu.com/612886/\n<jester-> sparkling: sudo halt\n<sparkling> jester- grazie\n<sparkling> jester- è un nuovo deodorante contro il sudore?\n<sparkling> \"stop al sudore con: SUDO HALT!\"\n<jester-> spiritus\n<sparkling> :P\n<sparkling> eddaiiii\n<enrylinux> jester è meglio farne una copia\n<sparkling> se la mia stringa per avviare un programma è \"/opt/comando.sh\"... per poter loggare l'avvio in caso di errore devo usare /opt/comando.sh 2>/opt/errori.log ?\n<jester-> enrylinux: alura?\n<enrylinux> fatto\n<sparkling> jester- comunque con sudo halt non si spegne ugualmente...e non vedo nulla a terminale che mi dica cosa fa durante la fase di spegnimento...\n<jester-> enzotib: gksu gedit /etc/environment\n<enrylinux> fatto\n<jester-> enrylinux: gksu gedit /etc/environment\n<jester-> enrylinux: incolla questa stinga alla fine\n<jester-> UNITY_FORCE_START=1\n<enrylinux> fatto\n<jester-> enrylinux: riavvia il cassone e prova unity\n<enrylinux> vai\n<jester-> enrylinux: funza?\n<sparkling> jester- capisco che la battuta era brutta prima... per loggare l'avvio di un programma è corretta la stringa /opt/comando.sh 2> /opt/errori.log?\n<jester-> sparkling: non saprei\n<enrylinux> no\n<jester-> enrylinux: unity --reset\n<sparkling> ìs -m irc.azzurra.it\n<sparkling> scusate\n<enrylinux> il cubo non si puo' fare\n<enrylinux> crasha\n<jester-> enrylinux: in unity niente cubbo co\n<jester-> & co\n<enrylinux> ma ache gli altri effetti crashano\n<jester-> enrylinux: e 5 anche gli altri effetti non vanno in unity\n<enrylinux> non è cosi'\n<jester-> va bè\n<MatteoR> enrylinux: Unity, per quanto riguarda gli effetti (e non solo) fa veramente cag**e\n<enrylinux> io sono riuscito con un altro sistema\n<enrylinux> jester ti potrei mandare foto del cubo con unity\n<frezli> io ho usato alcuni effetti e mi sembrano funzionare ma non ho provato il cubo, comunque è proprio unity che è veramente improponibile\n<MatteoR> !image\n<ubot-it> Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<enrylinux> http://imagebin.org/155093\n<frezli> unity è stato molto azzardato , la cosa migliore è continuare con gnome e usare unity su un computer a parte tanto per provare , e sperare che si accorgano dell'errore e tornino a gnome 3 che tanto bene sta promettendo\n<MatteoR> O meglio usare kde\n<frezli> si ma kde ha anche quello i suoi grossi problemi\n<enrylinux> kde effetti funzionano alla grande\n<enrylinux> visto l'immagine\n<MatteoR> frezli: Sempre meglio di unity\n<frezli> quello che mi preoccupa di ubuntu è che stanno parlando di introdurre il server grafico wayland che se aggiunto a unity si salvi chi puo'\n<MatteoR> frezli: La soluzione è semplice: cambia distro\n<frezli> spero proprio di no , certo che se combinano ancora pasticci come sembra saremo costretti in tanti\n<MatteoR> frezli: O tutti su kubuntu\n * MatteoR Tra poco vado a mangiare\n<frezli> ma non so ma al momento ubuntu 10.04 è perfetto fra un anno si valuterà \n<MatteoR> frezli: Speriamo bene\n<zafira> ciao\n<Aizram> ciao zafira\n<zafira> ho installato ubuntu 11.04 amd64\n<zafira> finito l'installazione ho riavviato\n<zafira> e tac... schermo nero con solo il puntatore del ,mouse\n<zafira> ho provato varie versione ma sempre la stessa cosa\n<zafira> invece la 32 funziona a meraviglia\n<zafira> che puo' essere???\n<stevr1it> salve, lanciando skype da terminale mi da i seguenti errori. uso ubuntu 11.04 64 bit, come posso correggerli e risolvere le anomalie?\n<stevr1it> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/612932/\n<K99Brain> stevr1it, hai installato skype a 32 bit mi sa\n<K99Brain> stevr1it, skype è anche nei repo partner\n<K99Brain> era meglio se lo prendevi da li\n<stevr1it> K998ho intallasto skype da repository\n<stevr1it> K99Brain, lo disinstallo e dove lo trovo a 64 bit?\n<K99Brain> stevr1it, come sarebbe a dire che lo hai installato da repository?\n<enrylinux> http://www.skype.com/intl/it/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/\n<stevr1it> si era nei repository, ho aperto synaptic\n<belinsonic> frigo mi vedi?\n<zafira> come mai il 32 mi funziona 3 il 64 no di ubuntu studio\n<stevr1it> era installato rpecedentemente, poi con l'aggiornamento l'ha trovato lui\n<stevr1it> K99Brain, ho trovato le istruzioni, or ainstallo il 64 bit grazie\n<DigiuRN> ciao\n<frigOvuotO__> o ciao belin\n<frigOvuotO__> ci sei belin?\n<belinsonic> ciao\n<frigOvuotO__> ecco chiediamo qui\n<zafira> ciao\n<DigiuRN> sono indeciso su quale antivirus installare\n<zafira> come mai il 32 mi funziona 3 il 64 no di ubuntu studio\n<DigiuRN> cosa mi consigliate fra avira free e CLAM?\n<frigOvuotO__> ciao raga belinsonic vorrebbe installare su un hd ubuntu ma possiede un mac è possibile? potete aiutarlo a installare è la prima volta per lui!\n<DigiuRN> non mi interessa la scansione in tempo reale,vorrei una cosa leggera\n<enrylinux> lascia stare antivirus\n<DigiuRN> insomma che non abbia demoni sempre attivi che mi peserebbero e basta\n<zafira> come mai il 32 mi funziona e il 64 no di ubuntu studio\n<DigiuRN> anche rkhunter e compagnia bella?\n<DigiuRN> capisco che linux non ne abbia bisogno,è piu per il fatto che spesso prelevo file da pc windows\n<frigOvuotO__> ecco non ci risponde nessuno ;(\n<zafira> vero non mi risponde nisciuno\n<frigOvuotO__> come mai non ci sono stasera?\n<belinsonic> porto male frigo\n<frigOvuotO__> no\n<frigOvuotO__> qui rispondono sempre sono i migliori\n<stevr1it> K99Brain, ho instllato la versone 64 bit ma mi da gli stessi errori http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/612936/\n<frigOvuotO__> ciao raga belinsonic vorrebbe installare su un hd ubuntu ma possiede un mac è possibile? potete aiutarlo a installare è la prima volta per lui!\n<belinsonic> ciao raga member:belinsonic vorrebbe installare su un hd ubuntu ma possiede un mac è possibile? potete aiutarlo a installare è la prima volta per lui!\n<zafira> come mai il 32 mi funziona il 64 no di ubuntu studio\n<belinsonic> nessuno mi aiuta?\n<frigOvuotO__> zafira se non hai 64bit\n<frigOvuotO__> overme ci sei?\n<belinsonic> grazie a tutti siete fantastici\n<frigOvuotO__> ahahah\n<frigOvuotO__> aspetta\n<belinsonic> frigo sono tutti disponibili\n<frigOvuotO__> ciao raga belinsonic vorrebbe installare su un hd ubuntu ma possiede un mac è possibile? potete aiutarlo a installare è la prima volta per lui!\n<belinsonic> ciao raga member:belinsonic vorrebbe installare su un hd ubuntu ma possiede un mac è possibile? potete aiutarlo a installare è la prima volta per lui!\n<belinsonic> grazie\n<frigOvuotO__> strano che nessuno risponde\n<belinsonic> no dai\n<belinsonic> sono tutti disponibili\n<belinsonic> grazie raga\n<frigOvuotO__> ahhaha\n<frigOvuotO__> cmq questo canale è quello giusto per farti aiutare ....qui sono i migliori\n<belinsonic> con tutte queste risposte ho risolto tutto\n<belinsonic> frigo vieni in pv\n<MassimoS75> Qualcuno capisce di configurazione IMAP di Gmail? :-)\n<enzotib> MassimoS75: fa la domanda, senza girarci intorno\n<MassimoS75> Allora avevo evolution configurato per imap con gmail e mi funzionava tranquillamente\n<MassimoS75> ad un certo punto, una mesata fa, ha smesso di funzionare, e a me non pare di aver cambiato nulla\n<MassimoS75> ho ubuntu 11.04\n<enzotib> MassimoS75: e cosa dice? dà qualche messaggio di errore?\n<MassimoS75> allora mi recupera l'elenco delle mail, ma se clicco su una mail, non si apre, l'errore è\n<MassimoS75> Impossibile recuperare il messaggio Risposta inattesa dal server IMAP: Return-Path:\n<MassimoS75> l'elenco lo recupera, ma non ci sono le mail recenti, si ferma al 16 marzo\n<enzotib> MassimoS75: e usare POP3?\n<MassimoS75> vabb\n<MassimoS75> potrei usare anche un altro client, tipo thunderbird\n<MassimoS75> che è supportato\n<MassimoS75> evolution non è tra i cliente supportati da gmail\n<MassimoS75> però capisci, per me è soprattutto una questione di tigna, non mi sta proprio bene che una cosa che funzionava, di punto in bianco non funzioni più\n<zafira> come mai il 32 mi funziona il 64 no di ubuntu studio\n<MassimoS75> se mi stessero bene cose del genere userei Windows, non Ubuntu ;-)\n<enzotib> MassimoS75: vabè, era per dire, se avevi fretta di risolvere, ma capisco il tuo punto di vista\n<MassimoS75> ma evolution ha qualche file di log, o qualcosa del genere, qualche parte dove magari scrive più dettagliatametne dove è il problema?\n<MassimoS75> (comunque la versione modo \"fretta\" già c'è l'ho: usare gmail dal browser) ;-)\n<enzotib> MassimoS75: non saprei, tra l'altro ce l'ho al lavoro, qui non uso evolution\n<MassimoS75> si è un classico, evolution al lavoro e thunderbird a casa ... io invece, stranamente, faccio il contrario :-)\n<MassimoS75> la cosa che mi fa incacchiare è che pare che sto problema c'è l'ho solo io, non sono riuscito a trovare altri che se ne lamentano nel forum di ubuntu-it e in rete in generale\n<Asso> ciao a tutti\n<MassimoS75> ciao\n<MassimoS75> il problema c'è l'ho da ubuntu 10.10, speravo che con l'aggiornamento a 11.04 si risolvesse e invece niente\n<Asso> sono nuovo ... come si fa a mettere la barra che si vede nelle foto del sito di ubunto a sinistra verticale con i bottoni delle applicazioni ???\n<Asso> e le icone sul desktop tipo windows si possono mettere ??? tipo risorse del computer documenti rete ecc. ???\n<MassimoS75> penso di riferisci all'interfaccia unity\n<Asso> si ho istallato l'ultima versione di ubnto l'interfaccia si attiva da sola o va attivta ??\n<MassimoS75> hai l'ultima versione di ubuntu, la 11.04 natty ?\n<MassimoS75> può dipendere dal PC, dal comparto grafico\n<Asso> si ho scaricato dal sito la versione dvd\n<MassimoS75> unity ha usa effetti grafici particolari\n<Asso> in verità alla fine installazione ha detto interfaccia unity non compatibile con hardware disattivarla ... come faccio a capire se cel'ho attiva oppure no ???\n<MassimoS75> se la scheda grafica è troppo vecchia o non supportata può essere che ti parte in desktop gnome classico\n<Asso> da che lo capisco ?? non ho mai avuto ubunto\n<MassimoS75> se non vedi la barra dei bottoni a sinistra, vuol dire che è disattivata, stai con il desktop gnome classico, come quello della vecchia versione di ubuntu\n<Asso> CHE SFIGA\n<MassimoS75> è un pc vecchio?\n<Asso> senti ma come faccio a vedere le periferiche hardware ??\n<Asso> no è nuovo GT210 ION\n<Asso> nvidea\n<MassimoS75> io ho il problema inverso, ho unity e ancora non mi ci abituo, mi ricordo che c'era una applicazione per vedere l'hardware ma non la trovo\n<Asso> fore non ha i driver giusti\n<Asso> come si fa pe caricare i driver ?\n<MassimoS75> c'è da qualche parte una applicazione che si chiama \"driver aggiuntivi\" ?\n<MassimoS75> prova a cercarla nei menu sopra\n<enzotib> sudo lshw -short\n<enzotib> per vedere l'hardware\n<Asso> e per istallare i driver come faccio ?\n<Asso> sto cercando di scaricarli da nvidia.it ma mi chiede flash player che però non mi si installa da solo ...che casino sto linuxxxx\n<MassimoS75> aiuto il mio evoltion è posseduto! mi spara formule arcane!\n<MassimoS75> basta ci rinuncio\n<MassimoS75> almeno per oggi\n<MassimoS75> vabbe io vi saluto, non mi sembra che riuscirò a risolvere il mio problema per stasera, e non mi sento in grado di poter aiutare Asso oltre\n<Asso> si possono mettere i tasti di chiusura finestra X sulla destra ??? a sinistra non mi ci trovo\n<MassimoS75> buona sera\n<enzotib> Asso: per flash, installa il pacchetto flashplugin-installer dai repo\n<Asso> ok ci provo\n<enzotib> Asso: sai come fare?\n<Asso> ubunto software center poi lo scrivo su cerca e poi installa giusto ?\n<enzotib> Asso: sì, può essere una via\n<Asso> ho un mediacenter ci ho messo su ubunto ..perchè su repubblica diceva che questa nuova versione era fighissima e molto facile da usare . . .ma non mi sembra ihihihihi\n<Asso> mi sa tanto che mi tocca ripassare a windows 7 eheheheh\n<Asso> AIUTO sto scaricando il driver ma invece di salvarmelo me lo apre in ASCII nel browserrrr\n<Asso> non c'e' ancora molto supporto per linux a quanto vedo . . .pensavo fossero stati fatti passi in avanti . . invece mi sembra proprio che il mercato sia ancora monopolio di windows... che tristezza\n<Asso> Impossibile aprire il file «/home/asso/Scaricati/NVIâ¦inux-x86_64-270.41.19.run».\n<Asso> Il programma non è stato in grado di determinare la codifica dei caratteri.\n<Asso> Assicurarsi che il file non sia un file binario.\n<Asso> Selezionare una codifica dei caratteri dal menù e riprovare.\n<bobbybong> Asso, prova salva link come\n<Asso> si fatto e mi slava il file .RUN come ho scritto sopra . . . poi ci clicco su apri e mi dice che non pùo aprire\n<bobbybong> ok\n<bobbybong> apri un terminale\n<Asso> ok apro terminale\n<Asso> fatto poi ?\n<bobbybong> cd Scaricati\n<Asso> che foo ora ?\n<bobbybong> chmod +x NVIâ¦inux-x86_64-270.41.19.run\n<bobbybong> ./NVIâ¦inux-x86_64-270.41.19.run\n<Asso> ma il percorso gli lo devo dare ?\n<bobbybong> la consolle è aperta nella cartella scaricati dove scarica il browser\n<Asso> chmod +x /home/asso/Scaricati/NVIâ¦inux-x86_64-270.41.19.run\n<Asso> no la consolle mi scrive desktop :-( come ci arrivo nella cartella ?\n<bobbybong> cd\n<bobbybong> cd Scaricati\n<Asso> ho sritto questo asso@asso-desktop:~/Scaricati$ chmod +x NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-270.41.19.run\n<Asso> ma non fa nulla\n<bobbybong> hai solo cambiato i permessi\n<bobbybong> ora\n<bobbybong> ./NVIâ¦inux-x86_64-270.41.19.run\n<Asso> ahhhh\n<Asso> e mo come lo istallo sto file ?\n<bobbybong> ./NVIâ¦inux-x86_64-270.41.19.run\n<bobbybong> così\n<bobbybong> poi sono fatti tuoi installando un driver video senza cognizioni può portare a disastri\n<Asso> ERROR: this .run file is intended for the\n<Asso> Linux-x86_64 platform, but you appear to be\n<Asso> running on Linux-x86. Aborting installation.\n<bobbybong> non hai il 64bit\n<Asso> cavolo e perchè nooo non lo installa in automatico ??? ma cazzo . . .ok scarico il driver per x86\n<filo1234> Asso: mi spieghi perchè vuoi installare dal .run?\n<filo1234> Asso: poi non ti lamentare se non va niente eh\n<filo1234> tant'è che non sai bene cosa stai facendo...\n<Asso> madonninaaa non si finisce maii . . .ora me lo stava installando ma mi dice errore perchè non sono root\n<bobbybong> sudo !!\n<Asso> ihihi volevo installare i driver della scheda video visto che non mi va interfaccia unity . . . come faccio a istallarli non si fa così ??\n<pivellino-ubuntu> ciao a tutti. Dovrei configurare infostrada con ubuntu. qualcuno sa come si fa?\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: che c'è da configurare?\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: comunque non ha nulla a che fare con ubuntu, chiedi in chat\n<Asso> bobby scrivo SUDO e poi ???\n<filo1234> !sudo | Asso\n<ubot-it> Asso: root è disabilitato di default su ubuntu, usa sudo per eseguire i comandi testuali con i permessi di root http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Sudo - per i programmi con interfaccia grafica usa gksudo o kdesudo\n<Asso> che sudo è vero con questo caldo ihihih\n<bobbybong> sudo !!\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Ti spiego. Mi hanno attivato oggi la linea, non si collega ne con il cavo e neppure col wireliss. Ho fatto anche la prova con il cd live di ubuntu ma niente non si collega e credo che serva qualche configurazione ma non so dove mettere le mani.\n<filo1234> e comunque da amministrazione driver hardware dovresti trovare il driver proprietario consigliato\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: si ma allora il problema è che non si connette ubuntu?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Esatto\n<filo1234> che ip ha il router?\n<Asso> ho scritto : !sudo | Asso ma non lo prende\n<filo1234> Asso: forse devi legegre meglio\n<filo1234> leggere*\n<filo1234> non andare a mo di pinna di pescecane\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Avevo acceso window e da lì ho preso l'ip che è 192.168.1.3\n<Asso> per favore poi non rompo più come si diventa root . . . che scrivo di preciso ?\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: quello è di windows?\n<attempt> /|\n<filo1234> ma il router che ip ha?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Si\n<filo1234> !sudo | Asso leggi\n<ubot-it> Asso leggi: root è disabilitato di default su ubuntu, usa sudo per eseguire i comandi testuali con i permessi di root http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Sudo - per i programmi con interfaccia grafica usa gksudo o kdesudo\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: guarda su windows cos'hai come gateway\n<attempt> sudo si scrive sudo. man sudo e vedi il manuale Asso\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Da qui non riesco a guardare. Sono su ubuntu collegato con una chiavetta. A cosa mi serve il gateway? E' un numero?\n<filo1234> è un ip che è quello del router\n<Asso> asso@asso-desktop:~/Scaricati$ sudo -u asso ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-270.41.19.run\n<Asso> così va bene ?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Cosa ci faccio con quel numero?\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: serviva a me per darti un comando e provare a configurare la rete\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Riavvio, lo prendo e se sei ancora qui facciamo la prova\n<Asso> come lo lancio sto file da root help me ...\n<Asso> cazzo ci sono riuscito dovevo scrivere sudo ./ ecc.. ecc.. andando a tentativi è partita l'installazione\n<Asso> ora mi scrive : ERROR: You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before\n<Asso> installing. For further details, please see the section INSTALLING\n<Asso> THE NVIDIA DRIVER in the README available on the Linux driver\n<Asso> download page at www.nvidia.com.\n<FloodBotIt1> Asso: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<Asso> come faccio ora a uscire da X before ??\n<filo1234> leggi il README come ti dice l'errore\n<Asso> altrimenti non mi fa istallare i driver . . .che gran sega !!!!!!\n<filo1234> Asso: cerca di usare un linguaggio consono oltretutto\n<filo1234> se devi chiudere X sudo service gdm stop\n<Asso> ok ci provo\n<zafira> qualcuna ha ubuntu studio??\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Il numero del gateway è 192.168.1.1\n<stevr1it> ho fatto un backup con luckybackup or ami trovo la root piena /sda6/ mi aiutate a trovare dove è andato a finire il back up?\n<attempt> prova con un locate di un file che hai solo in originale e backup. trovi elencate le due directory.\n<stevr1it> attempt, spiegati meglio, sono parecchi file\n<stevr1it> attempt, ho 4 hardisk su media e il beackup era diretto la, ma ora mi ha rimpito la root\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: ti do dei comandi e te li segni ok? colleghi il cavo e li dai\n<attempt> con locate ne cerchi uno in particolare. locate ti individua la directory originale del file che tu conosci gia' e anche quella dove stà la copia.\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Ok\n<attempt> se ne trovi uno li trovi tutti\n<filo1234> stevr1it: ls -ltr ti ordina gli ultimi file modificati\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: ti faccio un paste\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Va bene, grazie\n<stevr1it> ok\n<stevr1it> filo1234, mi da solo un aprte dei risulti, il resto è schermo bianco su terminale,\n<stevr1it> filo1234, sono andato da root ho paerto nautilus e sotto media ho due partizioni in più\n<alessandro_> Salve a tutti\n<alessandro_> io ho una particolare cosa da fare\n<alessandro_> dovrei crearmi una pendrive\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: http://pastebin.com/MbivSJBd\n<alessandro_> con un server ma non volevo far la solita cosa di installarmi xampp\n<alessandro_> volevo propio un server che funzioni su qualsiasi sistema operativo\n<alessandro_> è possibile far ciò?\n<filo1234> stevr1it: ma come si chiama questo backup?\n<stevr1it> è una backup della home tutta la cartella stevr1it\n<filo1234> be allora avrai una cartella che si chiama così no?\n<zafira> qualcuna ha ubuntu studio??\n<filo1234> stevr1it: vedi se è presente da altre parti oltre che nella home\n<stevr1it> filo1234, come libero la trash della root?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Con l'ultimo comando mi dice SIOCADDRT: Nessun processo corrispondente\n<filo1234> si trova in /root/.local/share/Trash\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: si scusami mancava eth0 finale\n<pivellino-ubuntu> riscrivimelo per intero l'ultimo comando per piacere\n<filo1234> http://pastebin.com/index/MbivSJBd\n<filo1234> ah no aspetta\n<filo1234> l'ultimo dei tst?\n<filo1234> test?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Sudo route add default eccc... questo com'è per intero?\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: http://pastebin.com/2Xa7H59W\n<filo1234> questo è completo\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: anzi aspetta che aggiungo una cosa\n<filo1234> no ok quello pivellino-ubuntu\n<filo1234> rifai\n<filo1234> azzzz pivellino-ubuntu aspe che c'è un errore\n<stevr1it> filo1234, ho fatto grazie, ho eliminato il file che ha creato in root. ciao\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: http://pastebin.com/GxP21jnW ok\n<filo1234> la accendiamo\n<filo1234> meno male che era un backup della home, cosa c'entrava root bah\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 http://paste.ubuntu.com/612971/\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: ma il cavo è collegato?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Certo che è collegato, ho fatto la prova quando il cavo è stato rilevato.\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: dmesg | tail -n 20\n<filo1234> e metti in paste\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: stacca il cavo e riattaccalo\n<filo1234> poi dai quel comando\n<filo1234> e copialo\n<vaillant> clear\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: ma ora da dove sei connesso?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> filo1234 http://paste.ubuntu.com/612974/\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubunt1: si ma devi fare tutto scollegando la chiavetta però\n<pivellino-ubunt1> filo1234 Mi connetto con una chiavetta. Quando lancio i comandi mi disconnetto\n<filo1234> ok\n<filo1234> [ 1904.621686] eth0: link up.\n<filo1234> [ 1907.627489] eth0: link down.\n<filo1234> la scheda è su ok\n<filo1234> mmmm\n<filo1234> strano però\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubunt1: fai vedere cat /etc/network/interfaces\n<filo1234> senza disconnetterti\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 http://paste.ubuntu.com/612978/\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: ascolta\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Dimmi tutto\n<filo1234> modifchiamo il file interfaces\n<filo1234> gksudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces\n<filo1234> commenta la parte che riguarda auto-dslprovider\n<filo1234> tutte le righe\n<filo1234> e poi aggiungi :\n<filo1234> auto eth0\n<filo1234> iface eth0 inet dhcp\n<filo1234> salva e fai un riavvio con il cavo collegato\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Giusto per chiarire commentare cioè aggiungere prima #\n<filo1234> se non riesci più a connetterti togli i commenti che hai messo e cancella le righe eth0 che hai aggiunto\n<filo1234> si\n<filo1234> fammi vedere il file prima di riavviare\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 devo lasciare spazio dopo quelle righe o scrivo di seguito?\n<filo1234> non c'è bisogno di scollegarti\n<filo1234> non è importante\n<alessandro_> possibile fare una usb con server?\n<alessandro_> tralasciano xampp\n<alessandro_> oppue easyphp\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 http://paste.ubuntu.com/612981/ Ok?\n<filo1234> ok\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: spetta\n<filo1234> fai vedere anche cat /etc/resolv.conf\n<pivellino-ubunt1> filo1234 Non si collega, che faccio? Mi pare assurdo questa situazione.....\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubunt1: bah non più idee adesso sono fuso\n<filo1234> boh\n<filo1234> è strano\n<pivellino-ubunt1> filo1234 Il punto è che tra qualche giorno se non trovo una soluzione sarò costretto a utilizzare di nuovo window\n<pivellino-ubunt1> filo1234 Fammi un favore ti posso inviare la mia e-mail in privato così se trovi qualche soluzione me la invii?\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubunt1: eh ma senza vedere tanto non so cosa posso provare\n<filo1234> torna domani\n<pivellino-ubunt1> filo1234 A che ora ti trovo qui?\n<filo1234> mezza mattina ma ci sono anche altri tanto\n<pivellino-ubunt1> filo1234 Il modello del modem ha importanza?\n<filo1234> bah non dovrebbe\n<filo1234> ma domani siamo più freschi\n<filo1234> ora sono cotto\n<pivellino-ubunt1> filo1234 Grazie, domani mattina accendo verso le 10. Buona notte e grazie.\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubunt1: ma ti hanno cambiato pure il router?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> filo1234 E' un modem nuovo, thomson tg585 v8\n<filo1234> ma hai mai lanciato ppoeconf per caso? per configurare la connessione vecchia?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> filo1234 E' la prima volta che ho l'adsl.\n<filo1234> uhm ok\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubunt1: ah spetta spetta\n<filo1234> no niente\n<filo1234> vaneggio\n<filo1234> dai a domani\n<filo1234> altrimenti rischiamo di far cagate\n<pivellino-ubunt1> roan_ Tu ti colleghi con infostrada?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> filo1234 Ok a domani, grazie\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubunt1: ma non c'entra infostrada\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubunt1: con windows ti colleghi?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Si\n<filo1234> allora non c'entra nulla\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubunt1: hai il dualboot?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> La lan su window 7 non mi funziona ma wireliss si\n<pivellino-ubunt1> si\n<filo1234> non è che hai windows ibernato?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> si, pure\n<filo1234> ecco\n<filo1234> spegnilo\n<filo1234> e avvia ubuntu\n<pivellino-ubunt1> è su virtualbox window ma è spento.\n<filo1234> ah e allora dillo\n<filo1234> ho chiesto se avevi un dualboot\n<pivellino-ubunt1> ho solo ubuntu acceso per ora.\n<filo1234> non ci capiamo\n<filo1234> su quel pc hai sia linux che windows installati?\n<filo1234> non in virtualbox\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Ho dual boot ma ora ho acceso solo ubuntu. Window è spento.\n<filo1234> fisicamente\n<filo1234> è spento o è ibernato?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> esatto, tutti e due linux e window. Window è spento\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubunt1: hai solo una scheda di rete?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> filo1234 Non lo so, come faccio a verificare?\n<filo1234> fai veder ifconfig e iwconfig\n<pivellino-ubunt1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612987/\n<filo1234> allora gksudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces\n<pivellino-ubunt1> si\n<filo1234> l'avevi risistemato?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> no\n<filo1234> ok allora cancella eth0\n<filo1234> ecc..\n<filo1234> e ritogli i commenti che hai messo\n<pivellino-ubunt1> fatto\n<filo1234> poi cambia quel wlan0 in eth1\n<pivellino-ubunt1> fatto\n<filo1234> vedere\n<pivellino-ubunt1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/612990/\n<filo1234> salva\n<pivellino-ubunt1> fatto\n<filo1234> prova un po' a connetterti con la wireless\n<filo1234> senza ilcavo\n<filo1234> prova la wifi\n<pivellino-ubunt1> stacco e provo\n<filo1234> la vedi la tua rete da networkmanager?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Non si connette\n<filo1234> ma la rete la vedi?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> si\n<filo1234> pivellino-ubuntu: non capisco perchè in quel file ci sia quella roba bo\n<filo1234> se usi nm\n<filo1234> è strano\n<filo1234> senti ricommenta quelle righe riavvia e fai l'ultima prova con la wifi\n<filo1234> però riavvia completamente\n<pivellino-ubuntu> ok\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Grazie mille sono connesso con il wireliss\n<filo1234> pfiu\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Domani se ti va facciamo la prova se mi funziona pure con il cavo\n<filo1234> ok quindi a questo punto c'è un problema sulla connessione lan sul routr\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Esatto\n<filo1234> visto che hai la stessa situazione di windows\n<filo1234> ora\n<pivellino-ubuntu> anzi, non ho fatto la prova\n<filo1234> non è che ci siano le eth spente sul rouetr?\n<filo1234> router\n#ubuntu-it 2011-05-26\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Con il pc di mio fratello su window la lan funziona\n<filo1234> ok\n<filo1234> allora proverei\n<filo1234> i led dietro sono accesi?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> quali led? le luci dello \"spinotto\" della lan?\n<filo1234> sul router\n<filo1234> dietro non ha dei led?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> dietro dove?\n<filo1234> dietro il router\n<filo1234> dove ci sono le porte ethernet\n<filo1234> quando connetti il cavo intendo\n<pivellino-ubuntu> il led del modem è acceso\n<pivellino-ubuntu> si, le luci accendono\n<filo1234> ok\n<filo1234> boh allora prova un po'\n<filo1234> ma ora io mi corico\n<pivellino-ubuntu> ok, provo ora grazie, buona notte.\n<filo1234> prova pure usando il cavo di tuo fratello\n<filo1234> non si sa mai\n<pivellino-ubuntu> la lan non va. Domani poi provo, grazie\n<pivellino-ubuntu> buona notte.\n<ichi> ahhh va che bello che è sempre pieno di gente qua\n<ichi> bella [Enrico]\n<ichi> ciao Carlin0\n<ichi> ueila roxdragon!\n<ichi> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<roxdragon> we ichi\n<ichi> bella rox!\n<ichi> si nottambula qui eh XD\n<ichi> vieni un attimo di la in chat? mi serve di sapere una cosa che qua nn c'entra nulla\n<Steeler> sul forum non ho trovato un lista di chiavette web compatibili, avete qualche link ?\n<remix_tj> Steeler: web? umts?\n<remix_tj> huawei di vodafone vanno al primo colpo\n<Steeler> remix_tj, interessante.\n<massimo18> Buon Giorno\n<Odo> Giorno\n<Steeler> come termino in maniera forzata evolution da terminale?\n<OverMe> killall -9 evolution\n<Steeler> OverMe, -9 sta per ?\n<massimo18> -9\n<OverMe> Steeler, segnale KILL\n<Steeler> OverMe, ok :P\n<glpiana> ola\n<obelix> salve\n<obelix> ho un problemacon ubuntu\n<obelix> con\n<obelix> non visualizzo nulla a schermo\n<glpiana> obelix, il pc è acceso?\n<obelix> l'unica cosa che posso usare e' la shell\n<glpiana> obelix, spiega maglio dai\n<glpiana> *meglio\n<obelix> da shell posso usare irssi\n<obelix> meglio un par di cavoli, ho 200 gb di dati\n<glpiana> obelix, ti ho chiesto di spiegare meglio il problema in modo da poterti aiutare\n<glpiana> obelix, ma se inizi così mi sa che finiamo in fretta\n<obelix> come posso fare il backup dei dati da shell passandoli su un eventuale hdd esterna ?\n<massimo18> -.-\n<obelix> ed infatti vado in fretta\n<obelix> devo andare all'ospedale\n<obelix> devo andare perch? ho una visita\n<massimo18> !chat | obelix\n<ubot-it> obelix: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<glpiana> obelix, attacchi il disco esterno, vedi con dmesg | tail che device è. con mount vei dov'è montato e se non lo è lo monti a mano\n<glpiana> obelix, il comando per copiare è cp\n<glpiana> man cp ti darà tutte le indicazioni che la tua fretta a bisogno\n<glpiana> ciao e buona visita\n<obelix> si come si fa la copia con cp lo so\n<glpiana> bene, sei a posto allora\n<obelix> dicevo se ? si curo che rilevi l'hdd esterno tramite usb\n<obelix> dato che ne devo comprare uno\n<obelix> e poi tramite cp lo so\n<glpiana> obelix, prendo la sfera di cristallo e vedo cosa accadrà quando attaccherai il disco o provi tu a collegarlo?\n<glpiana> obelix, cercare invece di ripristinare il sistema?\n<glpiana> non se ne parla proprio?\n<obelix> ci ho provato infinitamente\n<obelix> senza alcun successo\n<massimo18> obelix: mai pensato che forse non lo sai fare?\n<obelix> ci sono dei problemi che non si riescono a risolvere\n<glpiana> obelix, beh nel caso avessi voglia di provare per evitarti la spesa dimmelo\n<obelix> ho usato tutti i comandi possibili ed immaginabili\n<obelix> apt.get update\n<massimo18> lol\n<obelix> apt-get update\n<obelix> apt-get dist-upgrade\n<glpiana> obelix, quelli aggiornano\n<obelix> apt-get -f install\n<glpiana> non mettono a posto\n<glpiana> obelix, fermo\n<glpiana> basta\n<massimo18> obelix: cioè hai dato comandi che non servono\n<FloodBotIt1> glpiana: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<glpiana> non elencare più nulla\n<obelix> appunto devo sostituire molti packages\n<glpiana> obelix, se vuoi ci dici in seguito a cosa è successo il casino e vediamo di risolvere, ma fare la cronaca di ciò che hai fatto è inutile\n<obelix> al momento devo andare all'ospedale\n<obelix> ho avuto un incidente l'8 maggio\n<obelix> un figlio di mignotta mi ha tagliato la strada mentre ero sulla mia SCOTT RANSOM 40\n<glpiana> obelix, ce dispiace ma non è il canale in cui raccontarlo\n<obelix> per non finire fra le lamiere e vetri della sua automobile mi sono schiantato a terra\n<glpiana> obelix, tiro le somme: sei entrato in canale per dirci che devi andare in ospedale\n<obelix> CODICE GIALLO, di urgenza al S.CAMILLO\n<glpiana> ciao caro. vai da solo o ti faccio uscire io dal canale?\n<obelix> 4 punti sul viso\n<glpiana> obelix, ultimo avviso\n<obelix> no era per dirti come sono messo e che dunque ho una cosa urgente da fare e che non posso fermarmi in chat\n<obelix> nemmeno se volessi, perche' e' piu' importante la salute\n<glpiana> obelix, e allora se hai cose urgenti da fare vai e non venrie qui a trollare\n<glpiana> obelix, basta\n<glpiana> obelix, una parola off topic e sei fuori\n<obelix> era per dirti solo per quale motivo dovevo andare in ospedale, pensavo che te ne fottesse qualcosa di una persona che ha rischiato quasi di morire\n<glpiana> -.-\n<obelix> dato che ho avuto molte complicazioni\n<massimo18> eh\n<obelix> io vado, buon divertimento a te\n<glpiana> !chat | obelix\n<ubot-it> obelix: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Disco> Buongiorno\n<Disco> Volevo sapere se esiste un modo per controllare lo stato di un hard disk utilizzando un LiveCD. Con stato del''Hard Disk intendo trovare eventuali errori e sapere se il disco è andato.\n<Disco> Potete aiutarmi?\n<glpiana> Disco, sì ci sono appositi programmi. tipo gparted\n<Disco> Quindi basta avviare il PC con la Live di Ubuntu e lanciare Gparted? Dove vedo lo stato del disco?\n<Odo> Disco, usi natty?\n<Disco> Ho il LiveCD di Kubuntu 10.10 e il Live di OpenSUSE Gnome (so che non c'entra molto, pardon)\n<Odo> Disco, comunque se non e' un disco esterno, puoi usare palimpsest\n<Odo> Disco, hai il controllo smart che a parer mio e' una grande cosa\n<Disco> Non è un disco esterno, è un disco fisso di un portatile di un amico con su Win7.\n<Disco> Nessuna idea?\n<Odo> Disco, ascolta se hai la live, nel menu amministrazione se ricordo bene c'e' un programma \"gestore dischi\" o una roba cosi'\n<Odo> Disco, o in alternativa apri un terminale e scrivi palimpsest\n<Disco> palimpsest da solo oppure con qualche argomento?\n<Odo> Disco, no da solo\n<Disco> Ok, forse ci sono, ho lanciato Gparted\n<Disco> E mi da un warning\n<Odo> Disco, gparted e' un altra roba pero' eh\n<Disco> The disk has bad sector\n<Disco> Penso quindi sia andato, sbaglio?\n<Disco> Scusa Odo, hai ragione anche tu... Adesso provo con il comando\n<Odo> Disco, be' direi proprio di si, quando un disco comincia ad avere dei settori danneggiati c'e' una sola cosa da fare\n<Odo> sostituirlo\n<Disco> Eh, sì, vabbeh, non è mio e più di tanto non mi interessa\n<Odo> serve poco markarli come settori difettosi, dopo un po ne escono altri\n<Disco> Comunque il disco è andato e va cambiato\n<Odo> Disco, sicuro ma lancia palimpsest, dovrebbe dirti il disco ha dei settori danneggiati, o anche e' prossimo alla rottura\n<Disco> un secondo che devo installarlo\n<Disco> Ok, ho lanciato il programma\n<Disco> E andando sul disco mi dice SMART Status: Disk has few bad sector\n<Odo> Disco, non e' prossimo alla rottura, ma va cambiato, diciamo che hai la possibilita' di recuperare i files ora\n<Disco> Sì, i file li ho recuperato e messi su CD grazie al live di KDE\n<Odo> Disco, comunque se fai il test ti dice anche quanti settori\n<Disco> Adesso stavo cercando di capire se era proprio il disco andato o se era Win che rompeva le palle\n<Disco> Ho visto adeso, provo a lanciare il self test\n<Disco> Grazie Odo ;)\n<Odo> Disco, test\n<Odo> Disco, tranqui\n<Disco> Hum.. Ha finito i test, ma mi da solo un pallino rosso: Current Pending Sector Count\n<Odo> Disco, ascolta lo puoi usare ma il disco va cambiato\n<Disco> Sìsì, volevo solo che fosse \"ufficiale\" il fatto che il disco va cambiato\n<Disco> Non essendo mio non vorrei dire una cagata ;)\n<Disco> Grazie ancora Odo, scappo ;)\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<zappo_> buongiorno a tutti\n<zappo_> buongiorno glpiana\n<glpiana> ciao zappo_\n<zappo_> sono bloccato con l'installazione di una chiavetta \"onda mc833up\"dopo aver installato,come da istruzioni,i pacchetti \" libqt3-mt e wvdial \"non riesco ad andare avanti\n<jester-> zappo_: sudo wvdialconf cosa combina\n<zappo_> jester-, guardo\n<zappo_> jester-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613124/\n<jester-> zappo_: il sistema proprio non la caga, usi natty?\n<zappo_> jester-, scusa non avevo la chiavetta inserita adesso riprovo\n<glpiana> -.-\n<jester-> zappo_: prima sudo rm /etc/wvdial.conf\n<zappo_> jester-, ok\n<zappo_> jester-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613130/\n<jester-> zappo_: fa vedere: lsusb\n<zappo_> jester-, non riesco a fare copia incolla deve essere successo qualcosa provo a riavviare.\n<zappo_> jester-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613134/\n<jester-> zappo_: è attaccata la chiavetta?\n<zappo_> jester-, si\n<jester-> zappo_: non la rileva\n<jester-> zappo_: c'è bluetooth e la webcam ma non la key\n<jester-> zappo_: stacca il blutoooth e metti al suo posto la key\n<zappo_> jester-, provo a cambiare presa usb?\n<passinif> ciao ragazzi\n<zappo_> jester-, blutooth non è inserito in una presa usb è interno al pc come del resto la web cam\n<jester-> zappo_: cambiata usb?\n<zappo_> jester-, si risultato lo stesso\n<jester-> zappo_: che sia rotta?\n<jester-> lè morta\n<zappo_> jester-, no perche se vado su win navigo tranquillamente\n<jester-> zappo_: se attacchi una penna usb dati?\n<jester-> zappo_: parliamo di sistema installato o in virtualbox\n<zappo_> jester-, non ho provato ma adesso inserisco una micro sim nella key e provo\n<jester-> zappo_: ho la vaga sensazione che non ti funzino le usb\n<zappo_> jester-, ieri ho trasferito dati sull'hard disk esterno senza problemi\n<jester-> zappo_: seguendo presunte guide hai scritto dei files?\n<zappo_> jester-, ho inserito la microsim e la porta usb funzia.Si ho copiato la cartella \"linux\"in documenti e ho provato ad installare il file \"install.sh\" , come dice nelle istruzioni della chiavetta.Ma li mi sono inchiodato\n<jester-> zappo_: lsusb ancora\n<zappo_> jester-, ok\n<zappo_> jester-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613142/\n<jester-> zappo_: staccala riattaccale e posta dmsesg | tail\n<zappo_> jester-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613144/\n<jester-> zappo_: go sbaglià dmesg | tail\n<mikunos> Salve a tutti, come faccio a copiare tutti i file di una cartella senza che mi venga chiesto se desidero sovrascrivere ogni singolo file?\n<zappo_> jester-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613145/\n<jester-> mikunos: cp cartella/*\n<mikunos> jester- mi chiede override?!\n<jester-> mikunos: non dovrebbe\n<jester-> mikunos: cp cartella/* /dove/copi\n<mikunos> beh ci sono anche delle sottocartelle, forse per questo non funzia\n<jester-> mikunos: cp -r\n<mikunos> niente da fare jester-\n<mikunos> cp: overwrite `/var/www/ ....\n<jester-> zappo_: dentro alla chiavetta c'era una cartella linux?\n<zappo_> jester-, si\n<jester-> zappo_: e l'hai copiata sul desktop o nella home?\n<filo1234> mikunos: usa rsync\n<zappo_> jester-, in documenti\n<mikunos> filo1234 ?\n<jester-> zappo_: vacci col terminale\n<filo1234> rsync -arvp /origine/ /destinazione/\n<jester-> zappo_: hai gnome è kde?\n<zappo_> jester-, faccio copia sulla cartella e incolla nel terminale?\n<mikunos> -bash: rsync: command not found\n<jester-> zappo_: devi entrare nella cartella che hai copiato col terminale\n<filo1234> mikunos: ma hai ubuntu?\n<mikunos> si\n<jester-> zappo_: cd Documenti/crtellacopiata\n<zappo_> jester-, e come si fà ?\n<filo1234> mikunos: versione?\n<jester-> zappo_: nome della cartella?\n<zappo_> jester-, linux\n<jester-> zappo_: cd Documenti/linux\n<mikunos> filo1234, ultima\n<filo1234> mikunos: uname -a cosa da?\n<zappo_> jester-, No such file or directory\n<jester-> zappo_: vai in Documenti con nautilus e controlla il nome\n<filo1234> mikunos:\n<DarkSun> salve\n<filo1234> uname -a\n<filo1234> salve DarkSun\n<DarkSun> uè filo1234\n<DarkSun> ciao anche a te mikunos\n<zappo_> jester-, nautilus?\n<jester-> zappo_: svegli il file manager\n<jester-> zappo_: fa vedere ls Documenti\n<jester-> o tiriamo natale\n<zappo_> jester-, scusami ma penso di non essere in grado\n<jester-> zappo_: ls Documenti\n<jester-> e metti nel pastebin\n<zappo_> jester-, ti copio quello che è in documenti?cosa è \"ls\"\n<zappo_> jester-, ha ci sono\n<jester-> zappo_: dai il comando ls Documenti\n<zappo_> jester-, scusami mi perdo in una goccia d'acqua\n<zappo_> jester-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613148/\n<jester-> zappo_: cd Docomenti Linux\n<jester-> zappo_: dai ls e fa vedere\n<zappo_> jester-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613150/\n<jester-> zappo_: scusa cd Documenti/Linux\n<jester-> zappo_: chiudi e riapri il terminale poi dai il comando\n<zappo_> jester-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613151/\n<jester-> zappo_: ls\n<zappo_> jester-, ls cd Documenti/Linux cosi?\n<jester-> zappo_: ls\n<jester-> sei gia in Documenti/Linux\n<jester-> se non hai chiuso\n<jester-> zappo_: ls e basta\n<zappo_> jester-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613156/ e se non hai gia perso la pazienza sei super\n<jester-> zappo_: chmod +x install.sh\n<jester-> zappo_: USI gnome o kde\n<zappo_> jester-, penso gnome su ubuntu 10/04 netbook\n<jester-> zappo_: fatto?\n<zappo_> jester-, non da niente\n<jester-> zappo_: sudo ./install.sh\n<zappo_> jester-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613158/\n<jester-> zappo_: guarda nel menu internet se c'è onda connection manager\n<zappo_> jester-, no\n<jester-> zappo_: riavvia, dai svelto che devo andare\n<zappo_> jester-, ok\n<zappo_> jester-, non c'è facciamo un'altra volta grazie per la tua pazienza\n<jester-> zappo_: lsusb\n<jester-> zappo_: sudo rm wvdial.onf e poi rifai sudo wvdialconf\n<jester-> zappo_: sudo rm wvdial.conf e poi rifai sudo wvdialconf\n<zappo_> jester-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613163/\n<zappo_> jester-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613171/\n<jester-> zappo_: nada da fare\n<zappo_> jester-, grazie mille comunque\n<jester-> zappo_: sigh\n<pa> qualcuno ha problemi con skype oggi\n<pa> ?\n<Peace-> pa: sky è stato comprato da windows probabilmente avrai sempre maggior problemi con lo stesso\n<Peace-> pa: ti consiglio di passare a google video talk\n<pa> Peace-, ma google video talk non e' web based?\n<pa> io non voglio tenere un browser sempre aperto per chattare\n<pivellino-ubuntu> ciao a tutti\n<pivellino-ubuntu> filo1234 Ciao, ti va di provare a sistemare la connessione con il cavetto?\n<DarkSun> non dovrebbe riconoscertela in automatico?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Non si connette con il cavo....\n<DarkSun> ma prima sì?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun E' la prima volta che attacco il cavo e non si è mai connesso\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: quando hai installato il sistema il cavo era attaccato?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> No\n<DarkSun> ed è lì che hai sbagliato perché all'installazione ti fa un riconoscimento automatico della scheda di rete, quindi se hai il cavo collegato, non ti darà alcun problema quando poi lo dovrai usare ad installazione ultimata\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Ubuntu l'ho installato mesi fa e ho sempre usato la chiavetta, ieri mi hanno attivato l'adsl\n<DarkSun> dai da terminale ifconfig e metti il risultato nel paste\n<pivellino-ubuntu> si\n<Peace-> pa: browser o applicazione... che differenza fa?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613191/\n<Peace-> pa: se funziona e funziona bene con linux dimmi che differenza fa?\n<Peace-> mah paranoia?\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: dai sempre da terminale route -n\n<pa> e' scomodo, e' lento, usa piu risorse, non e' integrato\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: incolla il risultato sempre nel paste\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613192/\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: hai il cavo collegato?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Il cavo è staccato, sono collegato con il wireliss\n<DarkSun> attacca il cavo e dai di nuovo ifconfig e dai tutto al paste\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613195/\n<DarkSun> ora ridai route -n\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613197/\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: domanda stupida: sicuro che ti abbiano attivato internet? cioè, i led del modem lampeggiano?\n<DarkSun> soprattutto quello relativo a internet e al dsl\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Si, internet funziona e la lan pure\n<DarkSun> ok, allora proviamo con pppoeconf\n<DarkSun> lancia da terminale sudo pppoeconf\n<DarkSun> ti chiederà alcune informazioni\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Mi trova due dispositivi ethernet e sono costretto a sceglire si\n<Peace-> pa: allora usa una cosa che non funzionera' piu bene su linux\n<DarkSun> costretto? devi sceglierne uno, quello funzionante\n<Peace-> pa: scomodo? per em è comodissimo\n<Peace-> pa: usa piu risorse forse se tieni acceso 8000 pagine, io uso kubuntu e funziona a razzo con un pc che ha quasi 4 anni\n<Peace-> cmq veditela tu\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613199/\n<Peace-> io uso quello che funziona meglio e skype non è unsoftware al mio livello\n<Peace-> buona fortuna per la risoluzione diei tuoi problemi\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: il wifi non c'entra nulla col pppoeconf\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Scelgo si?\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: però fatti prima un backup di quel file per sicurezza. sai farlo?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> No, come si fa?\n<DarkSun> sudo cp /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider.backup\n<tko> il mio wi-fi si connette ma non navigaaaa.... con il cavo funziona ( internet ). Avete suggerimenti?\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: fatto?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Ho copiato il file. Ma in quale cartella si trova quello copiato? Posso procedere con ifconfig?\n<DarkSun> nella stessa directory. comunque sì, procedi\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Che faccio? http://paste.ubuntu.com/613203/\n<DarkSun> spe'\n<DarkSun> dai sì e inserisci username e password\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613207/\n<DarkSun> sì\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613209/\n<DarkSun> sì\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613211/\n<DarkSun> sì, ovvio\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613212/ Faccio si?\n<DarkSun> sì\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Mi disconnetto dal wireliss prima e poi clicco si?\n<DarkSun> hai network manager?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> si\n<DarkSun> dai sì, poi clicca su network maanger e scegli la connessione col filo\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Quindi non mi disconnetto.\n<DarkSun> no, al massimo ti connetterà automaticamente lui alla rete eth\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun http://paste.ubuntu.com/613215/ Qui mi fa scegliere solo \"OK\". Comunque è connesso con il wireliss, clicco su eth0 per vedere se si connette?\n<DarkSun> sì\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Solito problema non si connette con il cavo\n<DarkSun> hai un username e una pass per connetterti?\n<Beavis> Salve, sto provando ad installare adobe flash player dal sito di adobe, ma al termine dello scaricamento pacchetti ho il seguente errore \"Il pacchetto «adobe-flashplugin» è virtuale\". L'installazione del pacchetto installer da synaptic non funziona ugualmente, nel senso che il plugin non funziona, potreste aiutarmi?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Per connettermi con il wireliss devo inserire la password perchè c'è la protezione.\n<DarkSun> ovvio, lì sì\n<enzotib> Beavis: devi installare il pacchetto flashplugin-installer\n<DarkSun> prova a dare pon dsl-provider\n<Beavis> enzotib, fatto, non funziona flash\n<enzotib> Beavis: controlliamo: dpkg -l | grep -E 'flash|gnash|swf|nsplugin'\n<enzotib> !pastebin | Beavis metti su pastebin l'output\n<ubot-it> Beavis metti su pastebin l'output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Mi dice permesso negato. Provo con sudo?\n<DarkSun> ovvio\n<Beavis> enzotib, ok\n<Beavis> enzotib, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613219/\n<enzotib> Beavis: rimuovi swfdec-mozilla e la lib\n<Beavis> enzotib, la lib dove la trovo?\n<Beavis> /usr/lib?\n<enzotib> Beavis: no, intendo il pacchetto libswfdec-0.8-0 che compare nell'elenco che mi hai mostrato\n<Beavis> enzotib, ok, stavo disinstallando e mi dice che disinstalla anche gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg\n<pivellino-ubunt1> DarkSun http://paste.ubuntu.com/613223/ Non si collega\n<DarkSun> mah, è strano. filo1234 ci sei un secondo?\n<Beavis> enzotib, ora ho fatto, quindi ora reinstallo l'installer per flash?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> DarkSun Ieri ho risolto con lui, infatti non si collegava neppure con il wireliss.\n<DarkSun> con il wireless il discorso è un po' diverso\n<DarkSun> comunque aspetta lui\n<enzotib> Beavis: sì\n<pivellino-ubunt1> DarkSun Riavvio?\n<DarkSun> io di solito risolvevo con pppoeconf\n<enzotib> Beavis: quello che ho detto io prima\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubunt1: prova\n<Beavis> enzotib, ok\n<Beavis> enzotib, grazie, risolto\n<enzotib> Beavis: bene\n<relon> salve chi mia aiuta a installare una stampante? Ho ubuntu 11.04\n<enzotib> relon: usb?\n<relon> la devo usare in wireless, io ho il portatile e lei è connessa al fisso\n<relon> ho già provato a installarla ma non riesce a stampare\n<enzotib> se la devi usare in wireless, perché è connessa al fisso?\n<relon> enzotib perchè il fisso la usa via usb\n<enzotib> beh, allora lascio, non ho esperienza di stampanti che fanno wireless e usb insieme\n<relon> ma non mi importa al momento l'usb, mi interessa solo che stampi in wireless\n<enzotib> relon: la configurazione wireless della stampante devi farla dalla stampante stessa, per quanto ne so, non c'entra ubuntu\n<relon> si ma a ubuntu devo comunque fargliela vedere. ho usato la configurazione guidata di ubuntu ma forse sbaglio qualcosa\n<enzotib> relon: come hai configurato la stampante, per connettersi a una rete wireless esistente, oppure fa lei una rete ad-hoc?\n<relon> ho semplicemente avviato la voce \"stampa\" dal menu di ubuntu. lì puoi cercare le stampanti disponibili condivise\n<enzotib> relon: e sulla stampante non hai fatto niente?\n<relon> no non c'è bisogno, l'ho solo condivisa dal fisso. era andato tutto liscio con la vecchia samsung, questa è una hp ma non riesco\n<enzotib> relon: ma la condivisione significa che non usi il wireless della stampante, usi il collegamento con il fisso che poi accoda alla stampante\n<relon> ah ok, sì intendo quello\n<enzotib> quindi la stampante non è wireless, oppure non vuoi usare il wireless, ho capito bene?\n<relon> non credo sia wireless... comunque la voglio usare tramite la condivisione\n<relon> scusa sono stato poco chiaro :)\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: allora?\n<enzotib> relon: il dekstop ha windows o ubuntu?\n<relon> win xp\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Con quelle modifiche che abbiamo fatto non mi funziona più il wireliss, sono connesso con la chiavetta purtroppo. Su network manager mi dice Rete senza fili - Dispositivo non gestito, che faccio?\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: allora riprendi il file di backup. ricordi?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> come lo riprendo?\n<DarkSun> non ricord il percorso?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> trovato\n<DarkSun> sai cosa fare?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> no\n<enzotib> relon: e non la trova?\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: dimmi il percorso\n<relon> si ubuntu la vede, ma non stampa\n<enzotib> relon: sarà un problema di permessi dal lato di windows\n<pivellino-ubuntu> /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider.backup\n<relon> per esempio su ubuntu ho URI: socket://192.168.0.30:9100 (192.168.0.30 è il fisso) è giusto no?\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: sudo cp /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider.backup /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: DarkSun, suppongo pon-etc abbia scritto in /etc/network/interfaces, bisogna ripulirlo per usare network-manager\n<DarkSun> enzotib: sì, ha scritto anche lì. deve cancellare tutto il contenuto del file?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Dato il comando.\n<enzotib> DarkSun: per usare nm deve restare solo l'interfaccia lo, due righe all'inizio\n<relon> enzotib comunque fa lo stesso, non è urgente. Casomai apro un topic sul forum con calma\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: dai un secondo cat /etc/network/interfaces e metti nel paste tutto\n<enzotib> relon: l'hai scritto tu l'URI o te lo ha proposto ubuntu?\n<relon> io ho solo dovuto mettere l'ip del fisso\n<nicotano> salve\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613242/\n<enzotib> relon: ripeto, come hai proceduto, riesci a dirmelo esattamente?\n<relon> sì\n<enzotib> relon: ok, ascolto\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: lascia solo le prime 2 righe. giusto enzotib ?\n<relon> prima ho avviato \"stampa\" (quello nel menù di ubuntu)\n<enzotib> DarkSun: giusto\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: ok, vai! :)\n<relon> da lì ho fatto aggiungi -> stampante\n<enzotib> DarkSun: ma ha un modem o un router, che tu sappia?\n<enzotib> relon: ok\n<DarkSun> credo router sinceramente\n<relon> poi ho scelto stampante di rete -> appsocket/hp jetdirect\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: hai un modem o router?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> modem\n<enzotib> relon: non Windows con Samba?\n<relon> no\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Ascolta penso che bisogna riavviare\n<relon> è meglio quello?\n<enzotib> relon: secondo me devi usare quello\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: hai lasciato solo le prime 2 righe?\n<enzotib> relon: non è che è meglio, è quello corretto, l'altro è sbagliato (a meno che non sbagli io)\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Prima di riavviare vorrei installare wicd ma mi da problemi. Ho lasciato anche le righe commentate perchè ieri ha funzionato così.\n<relon> cacchio mi sa che hai ragione, ora provo e ti dico\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: modem wireless che non fa da router? molto strano, che modello?\n<DarkSun> quali righe? ridammi il contenuto di /etc/network/interfaces\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Scusate ma io non capisco la differenza tra router e modem. è un thomson tg585 v8\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613244/ Ho lasciato così\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Mi aiutate ad installare wicd\n<DarkSun> va be', quei commenti puoi anche toglierli visto che non ti serviranno\n<DarkSun> per adesso riavvia e vedi se funziona il wifi come ieri\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: ma la connessione ADSL, i parametri, li hai impostati sul \"modem\" ?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> No\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: io farei una cosa\n<relon> enzotib, fatto funziona... che stupidata che era! grazie :)\n<pivellino-ubuntu> I parametri del modem non li ho toccati.\n<enzotib> prego relon\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Riavvio\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: aspe'\n<enzotib> che fretta!\n<DarkSun> già \n<relon> enzotib, ora non è che devo disinstallare l'altra?\n<DarkSun> enzotib: cosa consigli tu, di modificare qualche parametro nella pagina del modem?\n<enzotib> relon: ne hai due?\n<relon> no intendo la configurazione di prima comunque resta, non vorrei avere installati driver doppi per niente\n<enzotib> DarkSun: se è un modem/router, deve configurare i parametri della connessione direttamente dall'interfaccia web del router\n<enzotib> DarkSun: poi col cavo funziona in dhcp senza problemi\n<enzotib> DarkSun: senza pon-dsl-etc-etc\n<DarkSun> enzotib: ah ok\n<enzotib> relon: no, vai tranquillo\n<relon> enzotib, cioè basta che faccio testo destro -> rimuovi ? non è che c i sono driver da togliere?\n<enzotib> relon: no, non devi fare niente\n<relon> enzotib ok allora a posto, grazie ancora\n<relon> ciao\n<enzotib> prego relon, e ciao\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Ora mi sento meglio, il wireliss funziona di nuovo. Come posso installare il wicd visto che mi da problemi?\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubunt1: perché non cerchi prima di risolvere col cavo?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> DarkSun Magari...\n<DarkSun> se non fossi uscito così in fretta, enzotib ti avrebbe detto cosa avresti dovuto fare\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubunt1: vorrei capire i parametri della connessione dove li hai messi\n<pivellino-ubunt1> enzotib Quali parametri? Io non ho toccato nulla\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubunt1: che operatore hai?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> infostrada\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubunt1: non ti ha dato uno username e password da usare?\n<enzotib> (che poi sono uguali per tutti)\n<pivellino-ubunt1> si\n<enzotib> o forse il modem te l'hanno dato già configurato?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> quelli scritti sul manuele o l'e-mail che ho fatto al momento della prima registrazione?\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubunt1: sì, ma dimmi, il modem è in comodato ed è già configurato?\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubunt1: intendo l'email\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Il modem è mio, non è in comodato.\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubunt1: e benvenuto/ospite dove lo hai scritto? come glielo hai detto al modem?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> quando faccio 192.168.1.1 sul browser mi chiede username e password per configurarlo\n<enzotib> e quella è un'altra cosa, la password di admin del router\n<DarkSun> di solito è la stessa anche lì\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubunt1: quindi con l'interfaccia web hai configurato il modem/router, non è vero che non hai toccato neinte\n<pivellino-ubunt1> enzotib Li non ho toccato niente, ho solo cambiato la password del wifi.\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubunt1: anche io ho infostrada, e user/pass sono benvenuto/ospite, anche per te?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> no\n<pivellino-ubunt1> avevo letto qualcosa del genere in giro ma ora sono cambiati\n<zappo_> sono bloccato con l'installazione di una chiavetta \"onda mc833up\"dopo aver installato,come da istruzioni,i pacchetti \" libqt3-mt e wvdial \"non riesco ad andare avanti\n<enzotib> infostrada ti ha dato uno username e una password, vero?\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubunt1: ^^\n<pivellino-ubunt1> si\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubunt1: e li usi in qualche modo?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> no, mi sono serviti solo per cambiare la password del wifi\n<enzotib> uhm, non capisco e lascio il campo\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubunt1: non sta parlando della password per accedere all'interfaccia web del router\n<DarkSun> bensì all'username e password che infostrada avrebbe dovuto darti per connetterti tramite cavo alla rete\n<enzotib> direi, quella non gliela dà certo infostrada\n<pivellino-ubunt1> DarkSun Stavo parlando proprio di quella.\n<DarkSun> enzotib: eh, lo so, ma è meglio spiegarsi\n<pivellino-ubunt1> e si trovo all'interno del modem nelle istruzioni.\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubunt1: ecco, e state parlando di due cose differenti\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Io non sono esperto di queste cose....pensavo si riferisse a quella.\n<DarkSun> leggi male ciò che ti si dice\n<enzotib> io ho chiarito, credo: l'account di infostrada (non quello del manuale del modem) lo usi da qualche parte?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> No, non lo uso.\n<enzotib> e com'è possibile che ti connetti, allora?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> enzotib Per connettermi ho inserito la password del wifi in network manager e si connette.\n<enzotib> ok, confermo, io abbandono\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubunt1: solo una prova, disconnetti il wireless da network manager, e poi attacca il cavo, vedi che succede\n<pivellino-ubunt1> enzotib non si connette\n<pivellino-ubunt1> già fatta la prova.\n<Neo_> salve\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubunt1: l'hai fatto nell'ordine temporale come l'ho detto io?\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubunt1: e poi abbiamo modificato il file \"interfaces\" magari ora funziona\n<pivellino-ubunt1> provo di nuovo ora.\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib visto che tu hai infostrada fammi un piacere, tasto destro in network manager - modifica connessioni - e mi dici i parametri della prima finestra. Con il cavo non va.\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: eh, non ora, sono al lavoro\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib Della connessione col cavo.\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: dimmi, che un po' mi ricordo\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib Auto etho (il nome della connessione) click su modifica - nella voce via cavo - c'è indirizzo mac dispositivo\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: e ci siamo\n<pivellino-ubuntu> poi indirizzo mac clonato e MTU\n<pivellino-ubuntu> che ci devo scrivere??\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: mac clonato è vuoto, e MTU automatico\n<pivellino-ubuntu> e mac dispositivo???\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: dovrebbe riempirlo da solo con dei numeri esadecimali separati da \":\"\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: sarà mica vuoto?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> 00:1B:38:C7:8A:30 Questi?\n<DarkSun> sì\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: quelli sono univoci per ogni scheda di rete, quindi sono solo tuoi (e magari faresti bene a non mostrarli in pubblico :)\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: ok, le altre schede?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> non le ho toccate\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: è impostato in alto per \"Connetti automaticamente\"?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib Non ho capito cosa vuoi dire\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: nella pagina, in alto c'è una checkbox, con vicino scritto \"Connettere automaticamente\", c'è la X oppure no?\n<enzotib> (o meglio, il \"visto\")\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib Wireliss si connette automaticamente e anche il cavo se funzionasse.\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: non mi hai risposto\n<pivellino-ubuntu> No, non c'è\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: non c'è il check o non c'è proprio la scritta che ho detto?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Nessun ceck\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: allora mettilo\n<pivellino-ubuntu> come?\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: c'è un quadratino vuoto con vicino scritto \"Connettere automaticamente\"?\n * enzotib sta cominciando a innervosirsi\n<pivellino-ubuntu> No, non c'è.\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: allora è un network manager fatto ad hoc per te?\n<enzotib> non ce la posso fare\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib Scusa, non vedo nessun quadratino, lasciamo perdere visto che non ci capiamo. Grazie comunque.\n<enzotib> eppure avevo detto 1) non c'è il check 2) non c'è proprio la scritta, e la risposta era stata \"nessun check\", forse mi spiego io male\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib Non c'è il check.\n<OverMe> lol\n<OverMe> enzotib, è prematurata per 2\n<enzotib> OverMe: a destra\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib Non so come si fa uno scrennshot del desktop se no la farei giusto per chiarire.\n<Aizram> :(\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Proverò più avanti a risolvere il problema del cavo. Al momento non riesco a installare wicd...mi da un errore http://paste.ubuntu.com/613260/\n<OverMe> pivellino-ubuntu, premi stamp per fare lo screen\n<pivellino-ubuntu> ok\n<OverMe> !image | pivellino-ubuntu\n<ubot-it> pivellino-ubuntu: Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<pivellino-ubuntu> enzotib ecco il desktop http://imagebin.org/155234\n<OverMe> e a che dovrebbe servire lo screenshot del desktop?\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: ma non stavamo parlando delle impostazioni della connessione via cavo? non eravamo su quella finestra?\n<OverMe> al massimo era utile quella della finestra \"modifica connessioni\"\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Si, di quella via cavo\n<Aizram> -.-'\n<DarkSun> enzotib: sei ancora qui? io avrei già abbandonato da un pezzo\n<enzotib> DarkSun: sono come il berluscone, ho una volontà di ferro!\n<DarkSun> enzotib: sì ma quand non c'è partecipazione dell'altra parte...\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Scusate, io partecipo, solo che non sono al vostro livello.\n<DarkSun> ma quale livello, scusa? ti stiamo dicendo ciò che l'interfaccia al 100% ti mostra\n<enzotib> pivellino-ubuntu: d'accordo, però dovresti leggere con più attenzione quello che scriviamo\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Non so che dire, ho letto le cose che avete scritto, però voi dite una cosa che poi a me sembre un'altra e quindi non ci troviamo...\n<ndi> ciao\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Grazie a tutti e due ci proverò un altro giorno a sistemare il cavo.\n<DarkSun> dubito che un altro giorno cambierà le cose\n<DarkSun> ti diciamo: nella finestra di \"Modifica connessione\" -> \"Via cavo\"\n<DarkSun> seleziona la prima voce che dovrebbe essere \"Auto eth0\"\n<pivellino-ubuntu> si\n<DarkSun> ti si dovrebbe aprire un'altra finestra in cui in alto c'è un checkbox con scritto: Connettere automaticamente\n<DarkSun> c'è?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun sotto nome della connessione c'è il check box ed è con la spunta\n<DarkSun> ah, finalmente!\n<pivellino-ubuntu> meglio tardi che mai.\n<DarkSun> enzotib: la spunta c'è, ora secondo te che si dovrebbe fare?\n<voll> ciao ragazzi..\n<voll> mi serve una mano..\n<voll> non sono espertissimo di ubuntu, ma anche leggendo diversi forum non sono riuscito a risolvere..\n<voll> il mio portatile non si spegne.\n<voll> ho ubuntu 11.04 che si riavvia tranquillamente, ma non si spegne..\n<voll> schermo nero e così resta\n<voll> finchè non lo spengo di forza\n<voll> idee ?!\n<enzotib> DarkSun: scusa, ero a prendere il caffè\n<enzotib> DarkSun: a questo punto penserei che il problema è sul router, forse non è impostato per il DHCP\n<voll> enzotib parli con me ?\n<enzotib> voll: ti chiami DarkSun ? :)\n<voll> ops... sorry pensavo fosse tutto il nick..\n<voll> -.-\n<enzotib> no problem :)\n<enzotib> voll: prova un sudo poweroff --force\n<enzotib> voll: magari prima senza il --force\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: accedi all'interfaccia web del router\n<pivellino-ubuntu> si\n<voll> non corrisponde al tasto \"arresta\" ?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Sono all'interno.\n<voll> comunque ora provo..\n<DarkSun> fai uno screenshot di quella pagina\n<pivellino-ubuntu> si\n<voll> torno tra un po' a prove fatte !! bye\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://imagebin.org/155241\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: nella voce Ethernet sotto Rete domestica\n<DarkSun> c'è qualcosa riguardante DHCP\n<DarkSun> ?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> No\n<DarkSun> se clicchi su \"Luca-PC\"\n<pivellino-ubuntu> La wlan mi risulta attiva perchè sono connesso e lì c'è l'assegnazione dell'indirizzo dhcp\n<DarkSun> screenshot anche lì va'\n<pivellino-ubuntu> ne faccio più di uno.\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://imagebin.org/155242\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://imagebin.org/155243\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://imagebin.org/155245\n<DarkSun> a me non interessa il wifi\n<DarkSun> interessa l'eth\n<R1ngh10> salve ho un problema con unity e la mia intel 855gme, qualcuno può aiutarmi\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://imagebin.org/155246 Qui cosa si dovrebbe fare?\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: nella seconda immagine ci sono 2 Luca-PC, clicca su uno dei 2 e screenshot\n<DarkSun> uhm, quest'ultima immagine dice che il pppoe è attivo\n<DarkSun> enzotib: che dici tu?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Il \"luca\" di sopra http://imagebin.org/155247\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: secondo me dovresti provare a fare una configurazione guidata della dsl\n<pivellino-ubuntu> l'altro http://imagebin.org/155249\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Può essere che il problema è che lì c'è scritto ip statico? Sui modem è statico o dinamico?\n<DarkSun> conosci qual è la differenza tra ip statico e dimanico?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> di solito viene assegnato quando uno si connette.\n<DarkSun> sì ma la differenza tra uno statico e uno dinamico?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> quello statico è sempre uguale, l'altro non so...\n<R1ngh10> Nessuno disponibile??\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: l'altro, no!\n<voll> rieccomi, ciao a tutti !!\n<voll> enzotib ci sei ?\n<enzotib> ci sono\n<voll> ho fatto qualche prova.\n<voll> per non saper nè leggere nè scrivere dò la colpa del mio problema a \"evolution\"\n<voll> sarà una coincidenza o meno, ma quando chiudo il programma (non semplicemente dalla \"x\", ma cliccando su esci) il pc non ne vuole a che sapere di spegnersi\n<voll> mentre se lo lascio aperto oppure lo chiudo semplicemente dalla \"x\" (resta quindi background) il pc si spegne..\n<voll> ho fatto prove su prove per 12 volte chiudendo o lasciando aperto il prog quindi non credo si parli di coincidenze\n<voll> hai qualche idea per risolvere?\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: allora?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> sono qui\n<enzotib> voll: non l'hai già trovata la soluzione? chiudere con la x\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: perché non fai una configurazione guidata?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun giusto ci provo ora\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: ottimo. naturalmente, se hai dubbi, chiedi. ed inoltre, fai una configurazione della dsl, non del wifi\n<voll> beh non è una soluzione, è aggirare il problema.. comunque la versione 11.04 ha diversi bug.. ad esempio la barra unity a me a volte resta sempre in primo piano, non si sposta, ma i collegamenti funzionano...\n<bitbartx_> qualcuno ha gia testato gnome 3??\n<cineutente> SALVe a tutti ragazzi, chi può darm iuna mano con Cinelerra?\n<Peace-> bitbartx_: si efa schifo\n<Peace-> bitbartx_: cioè di andare va ... ma insomma è un trauma\n<Peace-> cineutente: cinellera omddio\n<Peace-> cineutente: ma chi lo usa?\n<Peace-> cineutente: usa kdenlive vala'\n<voll> le versioni di ubuntu hanno una certa cadenza di pubblicazione ?\n<Peace-> ogni 6 mesi\n<enzotib> voll: sei mesi\n<cineutente> si, è vero, il fatto è che mi crasca in ocntinuazione e non riesco ad impararlo\n<Peace-> voll: lts 3 anni\n<Peace-> cineutente: hai aggiunto il ppa\n<Peace-> ?\n<voll> ok, grazie. lts cosa sarebbe ?\n<cineutente> io lo ho installato ora non ricordo se con ipacchetti o con ubuntu soft (credo il seodno) ma funziona ma poi ogni tanto, addio\n<Peace-> cineutente: ppa:sunab/kdenlive-release\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun é da troppo che sono davanti al pc, basta. Fatta la configurazione e non si è connesso, grazie a te e agli altri. Nulla da fare. Mi potreste aiutare ad installare wicd, ho paura che network manager mi dia buca...\n<bitbartx_> Peace dove l'hai testato??\n<cineutente> Scusami Peace, ma kdenlive può eszsere paragonato ad un programma profesisoanle di montaggio video... A me serve epr cose abbastanza importanti\n<Peace-> cineutente: cinellera è un fastidio solo ad usarlo\n<cineutente> si, sn daccordo\n<Peace-> con kdenlive fai gran parte del lavoro\n<cineutente> ma devo trovare una valida alternativa\n<Peace-> e se lo sai usare bene fai quasi tutto\n<Peace-> cineutente: io ho fatto le videoguide\n<Peace-> di blender , cinellera , kdenlive\n<cineutente> Scusami ma come faccio a visualizzare le release che mi hai postato?\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: per installare wicd credo tu debba disinstallare n-w perché mi pare vadano in conflitto\n<cineutente> beh... alora devo dire che sono stato fortunato a pensare di hciedere in chat... :)\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Ero riuscito ad installare wicd e ntm era già installato. Poi ho disinstallato perchè pensavo che non mi sarebbe più servito.\n<Peace-> cineutente:\n<Peace-> cineutente: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/26/plasma-desktopWs1715.jpg\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: prova ad installarlo allora.\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Ora mi dice che ci sono pacchetti danneggiati e dipendenze insoddisfatte\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: prova con apt-get -f install\n<cineutente> Ma guarda che ti credo Peace, io dicevo solo che non so trovare le release per reinstallarlo e vedere se non crascha\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613291/\n<DarkSun> senza il wicd finale\n<DarkSun> sudo apt-get -f install\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Mi dice 0 installati, 0 aggiornati\n<cineutente> Mi ocnsigli di reinstallarlo da ubuntu software?\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: nient'altro?\n<cineutente> non cpaisco il ppa\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613293/\n<DarkSun> riprova ora a dare il comando di installazione di wicd\n<Peace-> cineutente: guarda io uso kubuntu e ho il repository attivato\n<Peace-> cineutente: e non crasha tanto facilmente\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Mi da lo stesso errore di prima\n<Peace-> cineutente: con alcuni effetti crasha\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: mi puoi far vedere il sources.list? cat /etc/apt/sources.list\n<Peace-> cineutente: cerca di usare kubuntu e il repository adesso mi dispiace ma devo andare\n<cineutente> e ho capito ma allora non va cosi bene come dici\n<Peace-> cineutente: io ti dico la verita' con alcuni effetti crasha si\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613294/\n<Peace-> ma ...\n<Peace-> i crash sono sporadici\n<cineutente> io ogni volta che metto il ttiolot mi crasha\n<Peace-> cineutente: no li è perche cè'è quialche cosa che non va\n<Peace-> cineutente: praticamente se hai installato da repository ....\n<Peace-> crasha si\n<cineutente> no da ubuntu software\n<Peace-> se invece hai aggiunto ppa ....\n<cineutente> se mi spighi ocme aggiungerlo lo faccio subito\n<Peace-> ubuntu software = normali repository\n<Peace-> cineutente: http://www.kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-kdenlive/pre-compiled-packages/ubuntu-packages\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: come immaginavo\n<Peace-> cineutente: scappo mi spiace\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: dammi un secondo, te li dò io\n<pivellino-ubuntu> si\n<ichi_2> giorno a tutti\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/613295/\n<ichi_2> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: cancella tutto il contenuto del file sources.list e mettici quelli, ok?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> si\n<DarkSun> quando hai finito, salva e dai di nuovo cat /etc/apt/sources.list\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: poi, ridammi il paste\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Scusa, faccio tasto destro apri come amministratore ma non li apre, mi dai il comando per farlo da terminale>?\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613298/\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: salva e dai il comando: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Upgrade non serve per avanzare di versione?\n<DarkSun> dist-upgrade serve a quello\n<DarkSun> upgrade serve ad aggiornare i software qualora ce ne fosse bisogno\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun http://paste.ubuntu.com/613301/\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: come hai aggiunto quella riga?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun A quale riga ti riferisci?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613302/\n<DarkSun> quella riga di ppa dove l'hai messa?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> La riga che c'era su source.list? Non lo so era lì.\n<zaganator> ciao raga vorrei aiuto per la mia ram\n<zaganator> qualcuno sa perchè la mia ram non è vista da ubuntu?\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: quella relativa al ppa. controlla un po' nella directory /etc/apt se c'è da qualche parte\n<OverMe> zaganator, quanta ram hai?\n<zaganator> OverMe: avevo 3gb e adesso ho installato un gb in più, devo fare qualcosa che non so per attivarla?\n<OverMe> zaganator, apri un terminale e scrivi: free -m && sudo lshw && uname -a\n<R1ngh10> ragazzi qualcuno puoi aiutarmi non riesco a far partire unity con la mia intel 855gme\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun In quella cartella ci sono diversi file....l'unico che si apre è source.list gli altri sono in formato .gpg\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: allora controlla in synaptic. può darsi ci sia quella riga lì da qualche parte\n<zaganator> OverMe: ok vado a prpovare\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Come controllo lì?\n<OverMe> zaganator, dove vai? ora non sei da ubuntu?\n<zaganator_> OverMe: sono sempre io ma da un'altro pc..., ti posto quello che è uscito?\n<OverMe> !paste | zaganator_\n<ubot-it> zaganator_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: vai in Synaptic -> Impostazioni -> Repository\n<zaganator_> OverMe: http://paste.ubuntu.com/613309/\n<OverMe> zaganator_, e il resto?\n<zaganator_> è tutto quì\n<OverMe> che comando hai dato?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Un attimo\n<zaganator_> free -m && sudo lshw && unname -a\n<OverMe> zaganator_, allora non è tutto li\n<OverMe> leggi, ti dovrebbe chiedere la password\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: vai tranquillo\n<zaganator_> OverMe: scusa hai ragione\n<OverMe> zaganator_, e il terzo è uname con una enne sola\n<zaganator_> in effetti me lo sta dicendo anche il terminale...\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Non c'è quella scritta.\n<DarkSun> manco in software di terze parti?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> No\n<DarkSun> va be', strano. ora installa wicd\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Ma non si può aggiungere da terminale quella scritta?\n<DarkSun> certo che sì ma il problema è che c'è ma non so dov'è\n<zaganator_> OverMe:http://paste.ubuntu.com/613312/\n<zaganator_> OverMe: che dici ci siamo adesso?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Sono già riuscito ad installare wicd, ma quando cerco gli aggiornamenti da errore, perchè?\n<DarkSun> da quell'errore?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613301/\n<OverMe> zaganator_, mmm dai questo comando: sudo lshw -c memory\n<OverMe> altrimenti non leggo bene\n<DarkSun> pivellino-ubuntu: se è solo quello l'errore, non ti preoccupare. piuttosto cerca di scoprire dove l'hai messo\n<DarkSun> di default non credo, quindi di sicuro l'hai messo tu\n<pivellino-ubuntu> DarkSun Non so...adesso chiudo, ho altre cose da fare, grazie per la pazienza, ciao\n<DarkSun> ciao\n<R1ngh10> ragazzi qualcuno puoi aiutarmi non riesco a far partire unity con la mia intel 855gme\n<zaganator_> OverMe: http://paste.ubuntu.com/613316/\n<OverMe> zaganator_, ok la ram è vista\n<zaganator_> ma quando vado in info di sistema non me la fa vedere...\n<OverMe> probabilmente il problema è dato dal fatto che hai il sistema a 32 bit\n<OverMe> zaganator_, prova a scaricare una live a 64 bit e controlla\n<zaganator_> OverMe, ok volevo in effetti provare prima o poi... ma dici che dipenda dal sistema allora?\n<OverMe> zaganator_, penso proprio di si, dato che la lshw la memoria la vede tutta\n<OverMe> fai partire la live a 64 e lo vedi subito\n<zaganator_> OverMe, ok ti becco dalla live se ci sei ancora... Grazie\n<zaganator_> OverMe, una sola cosa io ho masterizzato una live di Kubuntu è lo stesso?\n<OverMe> zaganator_, basta sia a 64bit, poi va bene lo stesso\n<zaganator_> OverMe, ok a dopo!!\n<R1ngh10> non riesco a far partire unity con video intel 855\n<DarkSun> R1ngh10: basta ripetere. abbiamo letto. se qualcuno sa risponde\n<DarkSun> hai già cercato in rete?\n<R1ngh10> si e non trovo nulla nel senso che ne ho seguite alcune di guide ma niente\n<DarkSun> aspetta che qualcuno ti aiuti allora\n<R1ngh10> ok\n<zafira> ciao a tutti\n<zafira> qualcuno puo' aiutarmi??\n<DarkSun> esponi il problema prima\n<MatteoR> !qualcuno | zafira\n<ubot-it> zafira: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<zafira> ok\n<zafira> ho provato ad installare la versione a 64\n<zafira> finita l'installazione al riavvio mi compare la schermara nera con il puntatore del muose che si muove solo\n<zafira> inve installando la 32 tutto funziona\n<zafira> siccome vorrei sfruttare gli 8GB che avete qualche soluzione??\n<DarkSun> 8gb di cosa?\n<zafira> di ram\n<DarkSun> ma li riconosce tutti gli 8 giga?\n<zafira> il bios\n<DarkSun> sì\n<zafira> si certo\n<DarkSun> quindi la tua scheda madre riesce a supportare 8giga, giusto?\n<zafira> si uso anche win7 a 64\n<zafira> e vede gli 8GB diram\n<ptux> salve a tutti ho problemi a connettermi (via cavo e via wifi) con una rete \"non protetta\".\n<zafira> ma l'installazione la faccio\n<ptux> in pratica gli network-manager rileva la rete, e se clicco per effettuare la connessione l'indicatore inizia a girare e le lucine verdi si accendono entrambe.\n<Steeler> icama\n<zafira> su un hd secondario per avere i 2 sistemi separati\n<Steeler> ciao, vbox mi dice che devo aggiungere al mio user vboxuser, per abilitare l'USB, come faccio ?\n<ptux> poi però dopo un lungo periodo di roteazione dell'icona, la connessione non viene effettuata.\n<DarkSun> ptux: la password l'hai messa?\n<ptux> qualche indicazione? da cosa potrebbe dipendere e come risolvere?\n<shadenzo> Steeler sudo gedit /etc/group e aggiungi il tuo utente alla fine della riga dove c'e scritto vboxuser\n<shadenzo> poi salvi :P\n<DarkSun> ptux: allora?\n<shadenzo> ah Steeler devi fare log out e login perchè l'impostazione abbia effetto\n<zafira> nessuno per me\n<DarkSun> qualcosa all'installazione è andato male forsE?\n<frezli> ciao raga , se installo un altro sistema ubuntu derivato senza reinstallare grub , poi grub2 vede in nuovo sistema nella lista o in che file devo intervenire ???? grazie\n<DarkSun> con update-grub dovresti risolvere\n<zafira> ma ho provato diverse versioni e tutte lo stesso problema\n<shadenzo> zafira, diverse versioni cioè natty lucid e altre ?\n<Steeler> shadenzo, proprio logout da ubuntu o da vbox ?\n<shadenzo> Steeler da ubuntu\n<Steeler> ok\n<shadenzo> zafira puo' essere un problema comune googla \"ubuntu 8gb RAM\" e vdi se salta fuori qualcosa\n<Steeler> shadenzo, il mio utente ci devo scrivere Steeler o qualcos'altro ?\n<zafira> la 11.04 e la 10.04\n<shadenzo> Steeler devi scrivere il nome utente con il quale entri in ubuntu\n<frezli> mi aiutate con grub2 .....\n<zafira> mo vedo\n<Steeler> vboxuser: steeler\n<Steeler> ok\n<shadenzo> no Steeler non ci devono essere spazi , come nelle altre righe del file , vboxuser:steeler\n<Steeler> shadenzo, si fatto, grazie.\n<shadenzo> prego\n<shadenzo> zafira che processore hai ?\n<zafira> q9550\n<ptux> scusate ero stato disconnesso pure dalla chiavetta...\n<ptux> dicevo: non riesco ad accedere ad una rete \"non protetta\" né via wired, che via wireless...\n<ptux> ...stesso fenomeno per due pc uno con ubuntu 10.10; uno con 11.04.\n<zafira> dovrebbe essere compatibile\n<ptux> fenomeno quanto meno strano, gli stessi computer con gli stessi dispositivi, ieri sera su un'altra rete (anch'essa non protetta) funzionavano correttamente...\n<ptux> qualche idea?\n<shadenzo> si certo zafira\n<shadenzo> zafira hai cambiato qualcosa nel pc , e prima a 64 bit andava ?\n<ptux> mi pare di capire che la rete venga rilevata correttamente, ma forse non assegna l'IP con DHCP.\n<shadenzo> zafira comunque puoi installare la 32 bit e installando il mmodulo apposito vede tutta la ram http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-4gb-ram-limitation-solution/\n<shadenzo> ptux a volte il dhcp \"scazza\" in qualche modo uno tenta di riottenere un indirizzo gia occupato prova con ip fisso\n<zafira> grazie (shadenzo) ora provo\n<zafira> anche se e' poco chiaro\n<jester-> sera\n<fredd> jester- :) come faccio ad aprire le porte ad amule?\n<jester-> fredd: le devi aprire nel rutter\n<fredd> quello con l'antenna?\n<Aizram> -.-'\n<jester-> fredd: yess consulta il manuale\n<fredd> vabbè\n<fredd> vedo\n<zzzzzzz_> morattis fools: http://bit.ly/kls6vn\n<Peace-> cineutente: allora hai fatto la porcheria?\n<enrylinux> sera jester-\n<jester-> cià \n<zafir> ciao a tutti\n<zafir> quale programma per la posta\n<K99Brain> zafir, evolution\n<K99Brain> zafir, è già installato\n<zafir> bene dove lo trovo\n<zafir> non lo trovo\n<shadenzo> Applicazioni ->Ufficio -> email e calendario evolution\n<shadenzo> almeno su lucid\n<zafir> ho risolto per il problema della ram\n<shadenzo> bene :)\n<zafir> ora mi vede 8gb con il sistema a 32\n<zafir> comunque non c'e' nell.applicazione ufficio\n<shadenzo> ottimo tanto tra 64bit e 32 come velocità sono identici\n<shadenzo> cos 'hai natty ?\n<zafir> ma perche non lo includono direttamente\n<zafir> si natty\n<shadenzo> fai Alt+F2 e scrivi evolution\n<cineutente> ragazzi chi conosce il prg. openshot\n<shadenzo> comunque vedrai che lo trovi nei vari menu\n<zafir> Errore nell'eseguire lo stat del file \"/home/mara/evolution\": File o directory non esistente\n<shadenzo> è incluso\n<zafir> dice questo\n<zafir> non credo almeno nella versione studio\n<zafir> lo sto caricando dal software center\n<cineutente> openshot\n<cineutente> chi lo conosce?\n<zafir> provato al volo\n<shadenzo> ok\n<zafir> niente di che spero che ci sia di meglio per i video\n<cineutente> zafir\n<cineutente> conosci openshot?\n<zafir> si l.ho provato ma non mi e' piaciuto\n<zafir> spero ci sia di meglio\n<shadenzo> mmmhh se vouii fare della multimedialità professionale linux non è il massimo dipende da cosa vuoi\n<shadenzo> ma non sono esperto\n<`5im0k> sera\n<cineutente> ragazzi chi ocnosce openshot\n<cineutente> ?\n<cineutente> ?\n<cineutente> Chi ocnosce openshot?\n<thetom> buonasera a tutti!!\n<thetom> vi chiedo una cosa non strettamente relativa ad ubuntu, sto cercando di metter su un server web casalingo con ubuntu e apache2. funziona tutto, ma non riesco a far funzionare correttamente l'ftp perchè l'utente ftp non è proprietario dei files della cartella /var/www (il prop è www-data). come posso risolvere?\n<Marcofe> ciao a tutti ragazzi\n<Marcofe> qualcuno ha avuto problemi con l'ipod aggiornato alla 4.2 su ubuntu?\n<Marcofe> e sopratutto come l'ha risolto..\n<R1ngh10> potete aiutarmi, non riesco a far partire unity con la mia intel 855\n<mrpc> sera a tutti stavo cercando di far funzionare questa cam con natty ID 046d:0896 Logitech, Inc. OrbiCam ho provato a compilare i drive gpsca ma al make mi da già degli errori\n<frey> buonasera\n<frey> qualcuno mi sa dire o meglio potrebbe rinfrescarmi sul come si crea un alias?? non ricrdo più: solo una vago.bash_aliases\n<frey> vabbe passiamo all'altra domanda\n<frey> ho installato ubuntu con wubi ma ho riscontrato una scosa fastidiosa: quando accendo il pc scelgo tra windows e ubuntu, se scelgo widnows parte se scelgo ubuntu parte il grub di ubuntu. come posso toglierlo?\n<mrpc> se togli il grub come scegli poi tra un sistema e l'altro?\n<mrpc> frey, altrimenti controlla con sudo gedit /etc/default/grub se il timeout è impostato a 0\n<mrpc> notte\n#ubuntu-it 2011-05-27\n<glpiana> ola\n<Trury> Ciao\n<Trury> mi piacerebbbe installare ubuntu su 2 notebook e 1 desk\n<Trury> mi chiedevo: come funziona per i dirver delle periferiche?\n<glpiana> Trury, prova il livecd e vedi chehardware viene riconosciuto\n<glpiana> Trury, i driver son già presenti. in linea di massima non c'è nulla da scaricare da altrove\n<Trury> Grazie mille!\n<rorro007> ciao a tutti domanda: è possibile nella 11.04 togliere o lasciare sempre a zero in, trova file >recenti??\n<rorro007> nessuno sa aiutarmi??\n<rorro007> E possibile nella 11.04 togliere o lasciare sempre a zero in, trova file >recenti??\n<rorro007> o ancora meglio dove si trova la cartella recenti??\n<Odo> Giorno\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<baffone85> salve a tutti\n<baffone85> ho un problema con skype, nel momento in cui inserisco nome utente e password e premon login si chiude immediatamente\n<K99Brain> baffone85, avvia skype da terminale\n<K99Brain> baffone85, fallo crashare e vedi che errori ti ritorna\n<OverMe> baffone85, prova a cancellare la cartella .Skype nella home\n<baffone85> mi dice aborted nel terminale\n<baffone85> nella mia home non vedo nessuna cartella.skype\n<remix_tj> baffone85:\n<remix_tj> apri il terminale e fai\n<remix_tj> rm .Skype/shared.xml\n<baffone85> fatto\n<baffone85> adesso se avvio skype mi chiede di installarlo\n<baffone85> ora funge\n<baffone85> ma cosa era successo?\n<OverMe> baffone85, è una cosa che è successa un po' a tutto il mondo. colpa loro comunque\n<baffone85> okok cmq grazie mille\n<baffone85> ciao e buona gionata a tutti\n<mircosx> ciao a tutti\n<mircosx> ho un problema con 11.04\n<mircosx> il video si vede come se ci fosse \"rumore\" elettrico nel cavo... vibra\n<glpiana> mircosx, hai già cambiato cavo per vedere se il problema è quello?\n<jester-> mircosx: prova ubuntu classi non effetti\n<jester-> classic\n<mircosx> cavo cambiato... il problema me lo fa da quando ho messo l'11\n<mircosx> con il 10 andava bene\n<mircosx> adesso provo con il classic allora\n<nerchio> Wow, carina questa chat\n<glpiana> mircosx, prova anche a modificare la frequenza di refresh\n<nerchio> supporto molto interessant\n<nerchio> cmq, buongiorno a tutti\n<mircosx> come si modifica il refresh?\n<mircosx> uso linux da poche settimane ...\n<glpiana> mircosx, sotto sistea preferenze monitor, o se usi unity scrivi monitor dopo aver premuto il tasto con la bandierina\n<mircosx> solo ha 60hz xD\n<nerchio> Salve,\n<mircosx> sara la scheda video integrata che e' una schifezza?\n<mircosx> lspci dice: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 18)\n<glpiana> mircosx, fai come consiglia jester- . se non migliora vediamo\n<nerchio> una domanda facile facile: ho aggiornato alla version 11.04, però, passato GRUB il sistema non si avvia e inizia a lampeggia il led BLOC MAIUS\n<glpiana> ah intel. ok non vediamo nulla allora\n<nerchio> cosa posso fare?\n<glpiana> nerchio, qualcosa è andato male negli aggiornamenti\n<glpiana> nerchio, vedi il menu di grub all'avvio?\n<nerchio> si, certo,\n<nerchio> posso scegliere fra le varie versioni di Ubuntu\n<nerchio> e windows\n<nerchio> ah, nemmeno le versioni vecchie di Ubuntu si avviano\n<glpiana> nerchio, tra i vari kernel di ubuntu nessuno si avvia?\n<glpiana> oki\n<nerchio> nessuno\n<glpiana> !grub | nerchio segui la guida per il ripristino\n<ubot-it> nerchio segui la guida per il ripristino: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<nerchio> ho cercato fra i problemi noti d'aggiorbamento e non ho trovato nulla\n<glpiana> nerchio, la segui fino a chroot poi torni qui\n<nerchio> perfetto\n<nerchio> grazie\n<Nerchio> glplana, sono arrivato ad eseguir chroot\n<glpiana> Nerchio, oki. scrivi: dpkg --configure -a\n<Nerchio> ora cosa faccio?\n<glpiana> Nerchio, oki. scrivi: dpkg --configure -a\n<glpiana> Nerchio, hai dato il comando?\n<Nerchio> certo, ed`ha pure termito\n<Nerchio> terminato :)\n<glpiana> Nerchio, oki, devo scappare quindi ti do i comandi qui velocemente:\n<Nerchio> sembra tutto ok\n<glpiana> Nerchio, sudo apt-get -f install\n<glpiana> scusa senza sudo, non serve\n<glpiana> Nerchio, apt-get update\n<glpiana> Nerchio, e poi apt-get dist-upgrade\n<glpiana> Nerchio, poi riprendi la guida e reinstalli grub\n<glpiana> Nerchio, terminata la guida riavvia e vedi che fa\n<glpiana> a dopo\n<Nerchio> ciao grazie\n<Nerchio> glpiana, non funziona\n<Nerchio> ora esco pure io\n<Nerchio> poi ne riparliamo\n<Nerchio> grazie cmq\n<Nerchio> ciao\n<FloodBotIt2> Nerchio: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<Nerchio> ah, ok!\n<massimo18> Buon Giorno\n<gigirock> Domanda tecnica: Vorrei che allo scatenarsi di un evento parta un mio script......\n<K99Brain> gigirock, che evento? sismico?\n<Peace-> gigirock: ossia?\n<Peace-> attacchi una chiavetta?\n<Peace-> o un programma ==> script?\n<Peace-> o device ==> script?\n<gigirock> facciamo conto che il demone saned si attiva..... dove scrivo che all'attivazione il mio script venga eseguito ?\n<Peace-> gigirock: saned?\n<Peace-> perche sto saned si attiva?\n<gigirock> perche' uno scanner in rete inizia una scansione\n<Peace-> in rete quindi\n<Peace-> mm\n<Peace-> non saprei lo so fare se attacchi una periferica usb\n<Peace-> o la stacchi\n<Peace-> ma per il resto non mi snomai posto il problema\n<Peace-> che poi... il demone non è altro che un pgoramma che controlla che succede\n<gigirock> Peace-: con la chiavetta come fai ?\n<Peace-> gigirock: guarda http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/10/24/nokia-5800-udev-rules-to-automount/\n<Peace-> gigirock: li quando si attacca fa girare il programma mkdir\n<Peace-> gigirock: ovviamente gli puoi girare qualsiasi altro programma\n<gigirock> grazie Peace- adesso guardo....\n<Peace-> gigirock: pero... non so se vada bene...\n<Peace-> nel senso li attacchi via usb\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Ciao. Rieccomi, qualcuno ha una pazienza infinita per aiutarmi a far funzionare la connessione con il cavo? Grazie\n<goldrake> pivellino-ubunt1: infinita quanto?\n<gigirock> pivellino-ubunt1: che cavo ?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> goldrake Ho la connessione che mi funziona solo con il wifi...e non si riesce a farla andare con il cavo. Non so...si può provare ad impostare il wicd.\n<pivellino-ubunt1> rete fissa\n<glpiana> pivellino-ubunt1, hai già cambiato cavo?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> no\n<glpiana> pivellino-ubunt1, prova. perchè avevamo già visto la scheda e pareva ok, se non ricordo male\n<pivellino-ubunt1> glpiana Non va\n<glpiana> pivellino-ubunt1, hai già fatto la prova?\n<glpiana> sei rapido :)\n<stevr1it> ubuntu 11.04 e continui crach di libreoffice\n<glpiana> pivellino-ubunt1, avvia da livecd e prova se la connessione via cavo va\n<stevr1it> cosa fare per risolverli?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Ho fatto la prova poco fa\n<glpiana> stevr1it, prova a resettare le dir nascoste di libreoffice\n<pivellino-ubunt1> glpiana Da live cd non va, avevo fatto la prova qualche giorno fa.\n<glpiana> pivellino-ubunt1, da livecd o con cavo nuovo?\n<stevr1it> glpiana, dimmi come, cancellandole?\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, hai provato a spengere la wireless prima di connettere il cavo?\n<goldrake> stevr1it: soprattutto la dir dei temporanei\n<glpiana> stevr1it, yes\n<stevr1it> glpiana, già provato\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo Ho fatto la prova prima di entrare in chat e non funziona\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, si ma la wireless l'hai spenta?\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, hai il tastino fisico?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo Si, l'avevo spenta.\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, con il tastino fisico?\n<glpiana> stevr1it, crasha facendo robe assurde o anche con file semplici?\n<stevr1it> file semplic paerti per 5 minuti\n<stevr1it> excel o wirter, nonn importa\n<glpiana> stevr1it, usi effetti grafici?\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo, il tasto sul pc è spento però sono connesso ugualmente con wifi.\n<stevr1it> glpiana, no\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, che wireless eh? intel?\n<glpiana> stevr1it, che interfaccia usi?\n<stevr1it> glpiana, quella originale\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo Non lo so, come controllo?\n<glpiana> stevr1it, unity?\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, lspci\n<glpiana> cazzarola sembra un quiz\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, e incolli in paste\n<stevr1it> glpiana, no gnome\n<stevr1it> glpiana, la version e di libreoffice libreoffice-3.3.2.2, Ubuntu package 1:3.3.2-1ubuntu5\n<glpiana> stevr1it, l'interfaccia originale della versione di ubuntu che ha libreoffice è unity\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo http://paste.ubuntu.com/613721/\n<stevr1it> glpiana, ma unity non mi funzione con la scheda grafica ati\n<stevr1it> glpiana, eppoi non mi trovo per nula con unity\n<glpiana> stevr1it, quindi entri come ubuntu classico o come ubuntu classico no effects?\n<stevr1it> glpiana, ubuntu secure credo sia\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, incolli anche questo please lsmod |grep bcm\n<stevr1it> glpiana, provo ad entrare senza effetti\n<glpiana> Odo, è la mia stessa ethernet\n<glpiana> stevr1it, ecco, entra senza effetti\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo Non esce fuori nessun niente\n<stevr1it> glpiana, grazie, cè inltre qualcuno in rete che sapia settare le schede grafiche ati?\n<glpiana> stevr1it, le schede ati su 11.04 vanno tutte con i drvier open\n<glpiana> stevr1it, e con le ati va unity\n<glpiana> stevr1it, non credo nemmeno ce ne sia di blacklistate\n<stevr1it> glpiana, se la attivo con driver suggeriti be skype mi sballa tutto\n<glpiana> stevr1it, hai installato ex novo?\n<stevr1it> glpiana, si\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, ok spetta fammi guardare un attimino\n<glpiana> stevr1it, e tu usa i driver open, quelli già presenti\n<stevr1it> glpiana, ma non va in 3d\n<glpiana> stevr1it, ma non diciamo sciocchezze. dai lspci | grep -i vga\n<stevr1it> glpiana, VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Juniper [Radeon HD 5750 Series]\n<stevr1it> , va bene?\n<glpiana> stevr1it, yes, ora guardo. tu dai: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf\n<stevr1it> glpiana, direcotry non esistente\n<glpiana> stevr1it, oki, atandon sil vou pè\n<glpiana> *plè\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, lsmod |grep b4\n<stevr1it> glpiana, francese maccheronico?\n<glpiana> stevr1it, parecchio\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo Niente anche qui.\n<glpiana> stevr1it, /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p\n<stevr1it> glpiana, io dislessico nostrano\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, ok fammi il favore fai lsmod e incolli tutto in paste\n<glpiana> !paste | stevr1it\n<ubot-it> stevr1it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<stevr1it> !pastebin\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo http://paste.ubuntu.com/613724/\n<stevr1it> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613725/\n<glpiana> stevr1it, glxinfo | grep render\n<glpiana> stevr1it, ti dirà di mettere mesa-utils\n<stevr1it> non è installato, se lo istallo mi sballa tutto\n<glpiana> stevr1it, le installi e dai il comando. deve risponderti yes. poi dai lsmod | grep radeon\n<glpiana> stevr1it, ma cosa sballa?\n<stevr1it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613726/\n<glpiana> stevr1it, senti, mi dai 20 minuti?\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, allora ascoltami un attimo, se il cavo e collegato, ora scollegalo\n<glpiana> stevr1it, torno appena riesco\n<stevr1it> skyep erp esempio l'immagine mi appare su tutte le pagine\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo Ho tolto il cavo\n<stevr1it> ok a dopo\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, poi proviamo a smontare il modulo della wireless, se va a buon fine, la wireless andra' giu' e perderai la connesisone\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo E se perdo la connessione come faccio a collegarmi?\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, poi metterai il cavo, e vedi se hai segnali di connessione, compreso l'applet in alto a dx, ammesso che usi buntu e non kubuntu altrimenti saprai tu cosa guardare\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo Ho ubuntu.\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, se con il cavo ancora non va, rimonti il modulo e si riconnettera' dopo un attimo\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, ovemai nel giro di 2 3 minutii non va, riavvii e tutto torna come prima\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo Ok l'importante è che mi dici come fare.\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, allora il modulo da smontare e' wl, dovrebbe essere quello, ti spiego come montarlo e come smontarlo\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, non procedere leggi prima tutto\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo Ok\n<Odo> con il comando: sudo modprobe -r wl\n<Odo> rimuoverai il modulo\n<Odo> la wireless andra' giu' e a quel punto metti il cavo\n<Odo> se la ethernet non ti va, stacchi il cavo e dai : sudo modprobe wl\n<Odo> ok procedi\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo Ok, provo\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Odo Ho anche riavviato, non funziona\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, una volta smontato il modulo la ethernet non va?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Odo Non si collega\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, ma con la live ti va? hai provato?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Odo Con la live non va, ne con ubuntu 10.10 ne con 11.04\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, fai vedere ifconfig per favore\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613732/\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, non hai un altro pc per controllare dopo che hai smontato il modulo vero?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Odo No\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Odo Mio fratello ha un pc e lì la lan funziona ma è window. Non è un problema del modem\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, allora ricominciamo, quando hai smontato il modulo la connesisone e' andata giu'?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Odo Si è staccata la connessione wifi.\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, ma dopo hai rimontato il modulo e non ripartiva la wifi?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Odo Poi ho fatto la prova con il cavo e non andava. Ho riavviato e il cavo non andava, senza montare il modulo la wifi è andata (dopo il riavvio)\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, ok se riavvi il modulo si monta da solo, non serve rimontarlo, io ti dicevo di montarlo per far tornare la wifi, per evitare di riavviare, insomma il riavivo era solo se la wifi non andava\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, ok purtroppo mi serve qualche altra prova\n<pivellino-ubuntu> ok\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, se da terminale dai ping -c3 192.68.1.1\n<Odo> ottieni la risposta?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Odo Sono qui sperando che si risolva, provo.\n<jester-> 192.168.1.1\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Odo Si, c'è risposta\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, ok allora ti chiedo di farmi un altra prova.. ascolta tutto\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613736/\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, suppongo che eth1 sia la wlan\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Esatto\n<Odo> allora segna tutto...\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Eth0 é il cavo\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, smonti la wlan con sudo modprobe -r wlan\n<Odo> poi dai: sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.10\n<Odo> poi provi a vedere se dando: ping -c3 192.168.1.1\n<glpiana> stevr1it, ci sono\n<Odo> se risponde...\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Odo Ok\n<Odo> dai ping -3 8.8.8.8\n<Odo> no spetta leggi tutto pivellino-ubuntu\n<stevr1it> glpiana, eccomi\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, fatto questo, dai sudo modprobe wl\n<Odo> e tornerebbe la wireless\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, ascolta... ho mancato un passaggio\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, dopo che hai smontato il modulo wl, ricorda che devi mettere il cavo ok?\n<Odo> se e' tutto chiaro procedi\n<stevr1it> glpiana, nel frattempo ho installato le mes-util\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Odo Ok, vado\n<glpiana> stevr1it, dai il comando glxinfo | grep render\n<stevr1it> glpiana, glxinfo | grep render\n<stevr1it> direct rendering: Yes\n<stevr1it> OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD JUNIPER\n<stevr1it> stevr1it@stevr1it:~$\n<FloodBotIt2> stevr1it: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<glpiana> stevr1it, oki, prossima volta usa pastebin\n<glpiana> stevr1it, lsmod | grep radeon\n<stevr1it> glpiana, non pensavo che per una riga ok\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo http://paste.ubuntu.com/613740/\n<glpiana> stevr1it, sei svenuto?\n<stevr1it> glpiana, no\n<glpiana> stevr1it, però?\n<stevr1it> glpiana, dimmi attendevo\n<glpiana> <glpiana> stevr1it, lsmod | grep radeon\n<stevr1it> ok\n<glpiana> attendevi cosa? lol\n<glpiana> te l'avevo dato prima sto comando ;)\n<stevr1it> glpiana, tue istruzioni\n<stevr1it> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613742/\n<glpiana> stevr1it, oki, vai su sistema preferenze monitor\n<glpiana> guarda se hai una scleta per le frequenze\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo Nessuna idea?\n<stevr1it> glpiana, come faccio?\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, spe\n<glpiana> stevr1it, O.o\n<stevr1it> glpiana, non capisco\n<glpiana> stevr1it, apri quel programma lo trovi\n<glpiana> stevr1it, l'hai aperto monitor?\n<stevr1it> si\n<stevr1it> glpiana, quale programma\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, allora in differita e' un po' complicato, ma proviamo a fare qualche altra prova\n<glpiana> stevr1it, sì vabbè dai. io vado a prendere un caffè. fallo anche tu ;)\n<glpiana> a tra breve\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo Si\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, mi rifai il ping che prima c'e' stao un errore, questo: ping -c3 192.168.1.1\n<Odo> e paste per favore\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo Con il cavo attaccato?\n<stevr1it> glpiana, su monitor è bloccato su 60 herz\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, no no senza cavo\n<Odo> cosi' nelle condizioni attuali\n<pivellino-ubunt1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613744/\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, ok, allora.. ti scrivo tutte le operazioni\n<roger_> ciao ragazzi...problemino..\n<roger_> Non parte Skype!..Come posso risolvere?\n<roger_> ..Grazie!!\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, allora smonti il modulo sudo modprobe -r wl\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, poi ifconfig\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo ifconfig con il cavo attaccato?\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, spe un sec. torno tra un attimo\n<massimo18> roger_: apri un terminale e prova così : LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype\n<Odo> pivellino-ubunt1, allora dopo che hai smontato il modulo, metti il cavo\n<Odo> poi ifconfig\n<Odo> poi sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.10\n<Odo> poi sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1\n<Odo> e poi ping -c3 192.168.1.1\n<Odo> togli il cavo\n<Odo> rimonti il modulo con sudo modprobe wl\n<Odo> e metti tutto in paste\n<pivellino-ubunt1> Odo ok\n<roger_> Grazie!!!..Horisolto cancellando il file: shared.xml\n<roger_> ciao a tutti..^_^\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Odo http://paste.ubuntu.com/613746/\n<stevr1it> glpiana, bevuto il caffè?\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, bene sappiamo che la ethernet non va proprio\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, con ubuntu ti ha mai funzionato?\n<stevr1it> glpiana, frequenze schermo bloccate su 60\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Odo Non ho mai usato ethernet perchè ho sempre usato la chiavetta\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Odo L'adsl me l'hanno attivata il 25 maggio\n<stevr1it> glpiana, i driver proprietario fglxr non sono installati, che faccio li installo?\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, spe torno tra 2 minuti\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Odo Ok\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, allora installa: sudo apt-get install hwinfo\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, quando ha finito dai: sudo hwinfo --netcard\n<Odo> e incolli tutto in paste\n<pivellino-ubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613753/\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Odo Il cavo non è attaccato.\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, si si allo stato attuale\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Odo Ancora niente? Non si può provare con wicd o altro software?\n<stevr1it> glpiana, eccomi\n<glpiana> stevr1it, allora che hai fatto? hai messo gli fglrx?\n<Odo> pivellino-ubuntu, non ho guardato scusa, sto un attimo impicciato, si puoio provare con wicd, ma per me nn gfunziona la ethernet,\n<glpiana> pivellino-ubuntu, hai altri sistemi su sto pc?\n<stevr1it> si ma le frequenze sono sempre bloccate\n<pivellino-ubuntu> glpiana Si, ho window 7\n<glpiana> pivellino-ubuntu, e lì la scheda funziona?\n<stevr1it> glpiana, si ma le frequenze sono sempre bloccate\n<glpiana> stevr1it, e ti fa lo stesso errore grafico?\n<stevr1it> humm devo provare, aseptta\n<pivellino-ubuntu> glpiana Lì la lan non funziona per un bug di window 7.\n<pivellino-ubuntu> glpiana Quando ero fuori per lavoro la lan su vista mi funzionava\n<glpiana> pivellino-ubuntu, io ho la tua stessa ethernet qui ed ha sempre funzionato senza alcun problema. se non va nemmeno da livecd io controllerei nel bios\n<pivellino-ubuntu> glpiana Cosa devo controllare nel bios e come?\n<stevr1it> glpiana, risolto, ora il video è ok, vediamo libreoffice fra 5 minuti\n<glpiana> pivellino-ubuntu, eh, boh. le periferiche. i bios son diversi l'uno dall'altro\n<pivellino-ubuntu> glpiana Sai configurare wicd?\n<glpiana> pivellino-ubuntu, hai messo wicd?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> glpiana Si\n<glpiana> pivellino-ubuntu, e hai levato network-manager?\n<pivellino-ubuntu> glpiana No\n<massimo18> eh\n<glpiana> ma poi perchè wicd? la tua scheda va benissimo con network manager. il problema sta altrove\n<glpiana> !wicd | pivellino-ubuntu comunque guarda qui\n<ubot-it> pivellino-ubuntu comunque guarda qui: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviSenzaFili/Wicd\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Ok\n<nicotano> salve\n<pivellino-ubuntu> Wicd non riesco ad impostarlo, è la stessa procedura che avevo seguito ieri sera ma nulla.\n<stevr1it> glpiana, tutto risolto, libreoffice ora va bene, ora ultimo inghippo, ho 4 hardisk nel mio pc e vorrei che venissero montati automaticamente all'avvio del pc e non doverli mondare io ongi volta, inoltre chiedo un abuon software per fare un backup su un altro hardisk\n<nicotano> stevr1it, metti riga in fstab e crea dir in mnt\n<stevr1it> ok\n<glpiana> !fstab | stevr1it segui il consiglio di nicotano\n<ubot-it> stevr1it segui il consiglio di nicotano: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Fstab\n<glpiana> stevr1it, usa gli UUID non i device\n<glpiana> !backup | stevr1it e prova a vedere qui\n<ubot-it> stevr1it e prova a vedere qui: backup is http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/BackupDelSistema\n<stevr1it> glpiana, urgono spiegazioni su uuid\n<glpiana> stevr1it, leggi la guida e ti spiega che sono\n<nicotano> stevr1it, per backup io uso grsync, uuid identifica ogni partizione univocamente\n<Guest79636> ciao a tutti\n<Guest79636> ho un problema col touchpad\n<stevr1it> glpiana, fstab http://paste.ubuntu.com/613792/\n<Guest79636> qualcuno mi può aiutare?\n<glpiana> Guest79636, illustra il problema. chi sa ti aiuta\n<glpiana> stevr1it, eh, visto\n<stevr1it> glpiana, creo una dir in mnt con che nome?\n<Guest79636> lo scroll a 1 e 2 dita non funziona\n<glpiana> stevr1it, quel che vuoi tu. qualcosa che ti aiuti a riconoscere i dischi\n<stevr1it> glpiana mkdir hd1 ecc?\n<glpiana> Guest79636, prova a guardare qui http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Periferiche/SynapticsTouchpad\n<Guest79636> li ho gia visto\n<glpiana> stevr1it, sudo mkdir /media/nomedirectory\n<nicotano> stevr1it, una dir per ogni partizione e nome come ti pare meglio per capire cosa è\n<nicotano> meglio in mnt non in media\n<nicotano> solito in media stanno i rimovibili e montati a volo\n<stevr1it> nicotano, create in mnd hd1 hd2 hd3 hd4\n<stevr1it> mnt\n<stevr1it> glpiana, ora?\n<nicotano> stevr1it, magari dai un nome per riconoscere il contenuto, cmq se tu ti orizzonti va bene\n<glpiana> stevr1it, leggi sta guida? o tel a devo leggere io come la favoletta prima della nanna? :)\n<stevr1it> SI MI CAPISCO IO\n<stevr1it> scusate\n<stevr1it> okleggo\n<stevr1it> sempre nervosetto\n<glpiana> stevr1it, io?\n<glpiana> vabbè, ciao. stacco\n<Guest79636> touchpad sto provando la guida, passiamo ad un secondo incoveniente (meno grave)\n<stevr1it> glpiana, ciao\n<Guest79636> ci sono 2 dualboot\n<stevr1it> nicotano, ora non so come muovermi\n<nicotano> stevr1it, cosa devi fare, prima crei le dir che necessitano in mnt gli dai owner tuo nome utente\n<nicotano> stevr1it, poi metti righe in fstab\n<stevr1it> nicotano, ok gli do gli owner ora\n<Guest79636> mi spiego: accendo il pc e ho windows e ubuntu: se clicco windows parte, se clicco ubuntu si avvia il grub di ubuntu con windows e ubuntu. qui invece se clicco ubuntu parte, se clicco windows torna al primo boot ; non so se avete capito lo rispego se qualcosa XD qualcuno sa come togliere uno dei due??? preferirei quello di windows ma è piu fastidioso quindi preferisco togliere quello di ubuntu: funziona se rimu\n<Guest79636> ovo il pacchetto grub???\n<stevr1it> nicotano, fatto\n<Guest79636> scusate l'itaGliano XD\n<stevr1it> ok\n<stevr1it> nicotano, metto righe come?\n<nicotano> stevr1it, hai scritto fstab\n<nicotano> stevr1it, esempio nella guida\n<nicotano> ricava UUID prima\n<stevr1it> nicotano, mi citate la guida l'ho letta e non ho cpapito\n<nicotano> stevr1it, 1 passo alla volta\n<nicotano> ricava UUID del primo disco/paritizione da aggiungere\n<stevr1it> dunque, nell'esempio me mettono /dev/ va fatto così?\n<stevr1it> nicotano, come lo ricavo? scusa mi sono perso\n<nicotano> apri il terminale e digita sudo blkid /dev/hdXY sostituendo ad X ed Y la lettera dell'HD ed il numero della partizione da analizzare. Il comando restituisce il nuovo UUID.\n<stevr1it> nicotano ho tutti gli UUID\n<nicotano> stevr1it, uno per volta aggiungi 1 riga in base all'esempio della guida\n<nicotano> stevr1it, che file system hanno queste partizioni\n<stevr1it> ext4\n<nicotano> stevr1it, puoi fare una cosa come questa UUID=a813c804-1554-4869-8f34-97a8e368d069 /mnt/dati ext4 defaults 0 2\n<stevr1it> nicotano, non capisco /mnt/dati\n<nicotano> stevr1it, quella è il punto di mount\n<nicotano> stevr1it, era un esempio del mio fstab\n<Guest79636> scusate ma il file che si riferiche al touchpad è xorg.conf?\n<Guest79636> xk nel link che mi è stato postato dice di modificarlo ma a me è vuoto\n<nicotano> Guest79636, va aggiunta la sezione input device\n<nicotano> Guest79636, vedi qui esempio http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Notebook/SamsungQ1?highlight=%28xorg.conf%29\n<stevr1it> nicotano, aggiunti così http://paste.ubuntu.com/613797/\n<nicotano> stevr1it, /mnt/hd1 e le altre sono di proprietà del tuo utente ?\n<stevr1it> si\n<nicotano> stevr1it, sudo mount -a e dovresti accedere\n<stevr1it> ho fatto sudo chown stevr1it -R hd1\n<stevr1it> ncotano mi dice che il device special eUUID ecc non esiste\n<nicotano> stevr1it, cosi' sudo chown -R stevr1it: stevr1it /mnt/hd1\n<nicotano> stevr1it, cosi' sudo chown -R stevr1it:stevr1it /mnt/hd1\n<nicotano> stevr1it, hai scritto giusto ?\n<stevr1it> si ma mi dice che non esistono\n<stevr1it> gli UUID li ho copiati ed incollati\n<nicotano> stevr1it, hai messo \" prima del ID\n<stevr1it> no\n<stevr1it> ed anceh dopo?\n<nicotano> c'è in pastebin UUID=\"c8139208-c8d8-4382-8ea6-4a790b6fa526 /mnt/hd1 ext4\n<nicotano> le virgolette non vanno e poi ridai owner col gruppo\n<stevr1it> ok tolgo le fvirgolette\n<stevr1it> ncotano andato\n<stevr1it> nicotano, ora non me li vede più del tutto\n<nicotano> stevr1it, cosi' sudo chown -R stevr1it:stevr1it /mnt/hd1\n<stevr1it> mi pare funzioni\n<nicotano> stevr1it, deve funzionare se non hai errato UUID\n<stevr1it> nicotano, non me li vede ancora\n<nicotano> stevr1it, sudo fdisk -l\n<stevr1it> nicotano, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613801/\n<nicotano> stevr1it, sudo mount -a lo hai dato\n<stevr1it> nicotano, si\n<stevr1it> nicotano, v\n<nicotano> stevr1it, esci da /mnt\n<stevr1it> nicotano, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613802/\n<stevr1it> nicotano, uscit\n<nicotano> stevr1it, richiedi UUID uno per volta e controlla riga fstab\n<stevr1it> con blick e poi?\n<stevr1it> blink\n<nicotano> stevr1it, commenta tutte le altre 3 righe chai aggiunto e vediamo se monta almeno 1\n<nicotano> stevr1it, metti su pastebin fstab\n<stevr1it> nico commentate 3 e rimontato nulla da fare, ecco l'fstab http://paste.ubuntu.com/613810/\n<stevr1it> nicotano, non è che devo collegare /dev/ ecc con l' /mnt/dh1?\n<stevr1it> nicotano, sono fuso\n<nicotano> uuid le directory di montaggio ci sono ?\n<stevr1it> nicotano, questi hardisk partizionati s imontano solo in media e poi mi fanno casini,\n<nicotano> stevr1it, ma sono dischi fissi?\n<stevr1it> si interni\n<stevr1it> due hardisk da 1 tb l'uno partizionati in 4 da 500 gb\n<stevr1it> nicotano, montati su una scheda raid\n<nicotano> stevr1it, di raid non ne capisco forse è quello che rome perchè fstab è corretto, se UUID corrisponde alle dir di montaggio\n<nicotano> rompe**\n<stevr1it> ma non è settta la scheda raid\n<stevr1it> settata\n<nicotano> stevr1it, ls -l /mnt che dice?\n<nicotano> semmai diamo anche un chmod -R 777\n<nicotano> per le dir di montaggio\n<stevr1it> nicotano,\n<stevr1it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613814/\n<stevr1it> nicotano, lo strano è che da nautilus che vado in mnt li vedo e vedo tutti i contenuti\n<nicotano> e allora son montati\n<nicotano> che ci stiamo scervellando\n<stevr1it> si ma li vedo solo andandoli a cercare su /mnt\n<nicotano> e certo se li hai montati li\n<stevr1it> ne da desttop ne da risorse\n<stevr1it> nicotano, scusa ma mi hai detto tu di montarli li\n<nicotano> infatti va bene\n<stevr1it> coem faccio a farli apparire sul desktop o nelal directory di risorse?\n<nicotano> stevr1it, creati segnalibro in nautilus\n<stevr1it> inoltre se ci faccio un backup ora mi riempiono laroot?\n<nicotano> stevr1it, nah\n<nicotano> stevr1it, se vuoi vederli sul desktop montali in media e non in mnt\n<stevr1it> ahh , ma prima quando ci facevo un backup dentro con Rsync mi riempivano la root\n<nicotano> se copi su altra partizione non dovrebbe il punto di mount è un nodo\n<stevr1it> nicotano, ho provato a farci un backup con Grsync ed ecco il risultato: http://paste.ubuntu.com/613818/\n<stevr1it> nico che scemo scusami\n<nicotano> boh,\n<stevr1it> nicotano, cercavo di montarlo in medi acome prima\n<stevr1it> nicotano, ora va bene grazie\n<stevr1it> ciao\n<giuseppe_> buon pomeriggio a tutti!!!\n<giuseppe_> come posso esportare un file scaricato da a mule?\n<K99Brain> giuseppe_, che vuoi fare?\n<giuseppe_> ho scaricato una canzone e non riesco a trasportarla sul mio pc... come devo fare?\n<K99Brain> giuseppe_, se l'hai scaricata con amule la trovi nella cartella ~/.aMule/Incoming\n<giuseppe_> non riesco a trovarla\n<K99Brain> giuseppe_, .aMule è una cartella nascosta\n<K99Brain> giuseppe_, ctrl+h\n<K99Brain> giuseppe_, per visualizzare i file nascosti\n<giuseppe_> ok grazie mille!\n<Gianlu90> buonasera...non riesco a trovare i driver per far funzionare una stampante multifunzione canon mx340\n<D1G1U> ciao\n<Gianlu90> nessuno che può aiutarmi?\n<joejoe> ciao\n<DarkSun> Gianlu90: è un 64bit il tuo sistema?\n<Gianlu90> si\n<DarkSun> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1518425\n<DarkSun> prova a seguire questa guida\n<Gianlu90> già fatto darksun\n<Gianlu90> grazie\n<LjL> ciao. si riesce ultimamente a guardare http://rai.tv/ con Moonlight (su Lucid o Natty)? io non ci sono riuscito. con Moonlight che c'è nei repository, si lamenta che è una versione vecchia; ho provato a scaricare il plugin direttamente dal sito di Moonlight, ma resta bloccato sul caricamento\n<jester-> LjL: da mo non va piu la rai\n<LjL> :\\ niente Ubuntu per mio padre quindi\n<peace2__> LjL: mmm allora\n<peace2__> LjL: esisterebbe un estensine di firefox\n<peace2__> che non usa moonligh\n<peace2__> vuoi provarla?\n<jester-> peace2__: se lè induelè\n<LjL> peace2__: sì, preferirei fagli usare Ubuntu se possibile ma la RAI è un must\n<peace2__> recupero la maillist che mi avevano mandato\n<peace2__> jester-: LjL raismth\n<peace2__> jester-: LjL http://acab.servebeer.com/raismth.xpi\n<peace2__> provatela non è sicuro che funzioni al 100%\n<LjL> funziona, grazie. solo che temo non si possano vedere le cose on demand, che mio padre usa... i canali normali però si vedono\n<mattex> salve a tutti, ho una stampante laser epson epl 5800 che non riesco a far funzionare, come posso fare per i drivers o altro?\n<DarkSun> come si installa quell'xpi?\n<enzotib> DarkSun: suppongo lo trascini in firefox\n<DarkSun> sì, fatto :D\n<DarkSun> a me su debian non funziona\n<DarkSun> boh?\n<jester-> DarkSun: apri con firefox\n<Aizram> jester-, ... Vmware?\n<jester-> Aizram: ??\n<Aizram> spe\n<DarkSun> jester-: fatto\n<DarkSun> jester-: gira gira gira gira gira :D\n<jester-> DarkSun: che path hai dato\n<jester-> devo aver cannato qualcosa\n<DarkSun> /usr/bin/vlc mi pare\n<DarkSun> vlc per mms\n<DarkSun> per il resto mplayer\n<jester-> DarkSun: passprase?\n<DarkSun> no\n<DarkSun> ma ho preso quello giusto? ha il logo di vlc insomma\n<jester-> a meno che voglia il plugin vlc per mozilla installato\n<BienVenido> ciao scusate devo aver fatto un pasticcio con ubuntu, mi sono messo a toccare gli effetti visivi e le connessioni, e adesso emule adunanza che usavo con wine quando lo lancio non mi appare piu sul dwsktop na senbra che sia aperto perche mi appaiono i messaggi del programma come faccio a sistemare sto casino\n<BienVenido> vorrei ripristinare ubuntu chemagari va a posto , come devo fare?\n<Cyber_forences> ciao a tutti\n<Cyber_forences> scusa ho bisogno di un'info sul prg FIRESTARTER\n<Cyber_forences> chi mi può aiutare ?\n<filo1234> !chiedi | Cyber_forences\n<ubot-it> Cyber_forences: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<Cyber_forences> scusate ma sono un novello\n<Cyber_forences> perche il firewoll installato su xubuntu non si attiva in automatico ?\n<filo1234> Cyber_forences: parli di ufw?\n<Cyber_forences> no FIRESTARTER\n<filo1234> firestarter l'hai installato tu?\n<Cyber_forences> si\n<filo1234> Cyber_forences: boh non lo uso da molto firestarter aveva un po' di problemi\n<filo1234> in ogni caso c'è ufw di default\n<filo1234> puoi installare gufw per gestirlo graficamente\n<Cyber_forences> ok grazie ma ci sono le regole di defoult?\n<stevr1it> filo, ho un hardisk che non riesco a montare sdb1 mi dai un amano?\n<stevr1it> non riesco a montare un ahrdisk che mi aiuta? ecco fdisk -l http://paste.ubuntu.com/613888/ l'ardi disk è sdb1 detto anche video\n<remix_tj> stevr1it: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt\n<remix_tj> ?\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, mi dice : mount: /dev/sdb1 già montato o /mnt occupato\n<remix_tj> stevr1it: mount\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613889/\n<remix_tj> stevr1it: sudo mkdir /mnt/sdb1 && sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, mount: /dev/sdb1 già montato o /mnt/sdb1 occupato\n<stevr1it> adesso ho dei dubi che sia sdb1, vi erano tutti i video sopra\n<remix_tj> no, non puo' essere\n<remix_tj> o mi hai incollato delle righe in meno\n<stevr1it> no\n<remix_tj> uhm\n<stevr1it> già \n<remix_tj> stevr1it: tail -n 50 /var/log/messages\n<remix_tj> stevr1it: tail -n 50 /var/log/syslog\n<stevr1it> rmix non lo apre, dice che non esiste\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613891/\n<remix_tj> uhm stevr1it\n<remix_tj> spe\n<stevr1it> dimmi\n<remix_tj> sudo file -sL /dev/sdb1\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, http://paste.ubuntu.com/613894/\n<remix_tj> stevr1it: ok\n<remix_tj> allora\n<remix_tj> sudo umount /dev/sdb1\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, i dice: umount: /dev/sdb1: non montato\n<remix_tj> ok stevr1it\n<remix_tj> allora\n<remix_tj> ti do un comando per riga\n<remix_tj> cd\n<stevr1it> ok\n<remix_tj> mkdir sdb1\n<remix_tj> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 sdb1\n<stevr1it> dove\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, aspetta\n<remix_tj> cosi'\n<remix_tj> esattamente cosi' come te li ho dati\n<stevr1it> mi dice che è già montato\n<remix_tj> no, non e' assolutamente possibile\n<frezli> iao raga ho provato ubuntu 11.04 con gnome 3 e devo proprio dire che è veramente ottimo e ben fatto , non ha niente a che fare con la sbrodiglia di unity\n<remix_tj> !chato | frezli\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'chato'\n<remix_tj> !chat | frezli\n<ubot-it> frezli: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, guarda: http://paste.ubuntu.com/613895/\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, che faccio? riavvio e vedo se si sbloca?\n<remix_tj> lsof /dev/sdb1\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, fatto\n<remix_tj> ma cazzo stevr1it cosa fai a sto computer che ha sempre scazzi?\n<remix_tj> io non ho mica tutti si problemi...\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, allroa oggiho sistemato 4 partizioni con nicotamo e ho seguito i suoi suggerimenti ora non mi vede questo hardisk scusa mi\n<remix_tj> riavvia\n<remix_tj> non so che dirti\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, ho 2 hardisk da 1 terabite l'uno partizionati, più un hardisk con rot e home partizioati e un ahrdisk con i video\n<stevr1it> ora a dopo ciao\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, ora va era solo bloccato\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, me lo monta in media\n<stevr1it> meglio farlo montare in mnt\n<remix_tj> no, fa lo stesso\n<remix_tj> anzi dovrebbe essere /media il default\n<stevr1it> ma non mi si monta automaticamente\n<stevr1it> devo montarlo ogni volta che accendo il pc\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, scusa il disturbo. ciao\n<Frey> scusate qualcuno può aiutarmi a configurare lo scroll del mio touchpad??? non mettetemi link di guide perchè le ho provate tutte ma niente\n<DarkSun> sei già andato in sistema - preferenze - mouse?\n<Frey> si\n<Frey> a mouse\n<Frey> non ci sono altre opzioni oltre a quelle di regolare le velocità \n<Frey> cosa che invece c'è in altre parti\n<mrpc> ciao non mi riesce di far funzionare questa cam 046d:0896 Logitech, Inc. OrbiCam ho provato a compilare i driver gpsca ma già al make ricevo degli errori\n<silviopsi> ciao a tutti\n<silviopsi> ho fatto una minchiata e mi servirebbe una mano\n<silviopsi> o forse un miracolo....\n<mrpc> silviopsi, con la tua morosa non ti si può aiutare... per altro prova a dire che problema hai\n<silviopsi> ho seguito una procedura indicata nel forum di ubuntu one\n<silviopsi> perchè da un pò di giorni mi dava come risposta \"autorizzazione fallita\"\n<silviopsi> il link è questo http://askubuntu.com/questions/42429/ubuntu-one-sync-error\n<silviopsi> non so bene cosa ho sbagliato\n<silviopsi> ma in realtà mi ha cancellato tutti i documenti salvati sul computer e, soprattutto, tutti i settaggi che avevo di ubuntu\n<silviopsi> c'è modo per recuperare? a sto punto credo di aver cancellato le cartelle . local, .cache e .config\n<mrpc> silviopsi, la procedura che hai indicato elimina alcune cartelle questo è evidente\n<silviopsi> si infatti\n<silviopsi> le cartelle di ubuntu one\n<remix_tj> no\n<remix_tj> non le cartelle di ubuntu one\n<silviopsi> probabilmente se l'ho scritto così, \"ubuntu one\", mi ha cancellato invece le cartelle di ubuntu\n<remix_tj> le cartelle di configurazione di buona parte\n<remix_tj> no no silviopsi\n<mrpc> esatto\n<remix_tj> se hai cancellato .local .cache e .config\n<remix_tj> hai cancellato le configurazioni di buona parte dei programmi\n<remix_tj> *tra cui* ubuntu one\n<silviopsi> infatti si\n<remix_tj> comunque io consiglio se non si sa di rinominarle, non cancellarle\n<mrpc> si ma con riferimento a ubuntuone\n<silviopsi> sono abbastanza inesperto, però se ci prestavo un attimo di attenzione ci potevo arrivare\n<silviopsi> e qualche sistema per recuperarle? ho usato photorec su una penna usb rotta\n<silviopsi> ha fatto un buon lavoro ma qui non saprei dove farlo lavorare\n<mrpc> ma scusa i tuoi documenti non li tenevi nella tua home?\n<silviopsi> si\n<silviopsi> mi ha ripulito l'intera scrivania\n<mrpc> quella l'hai cancellata?\n<remix_tj> ma...\n<remix_tj> non e' che hai cancellato tutti i tuoi dati della home?\n<remix_tj> mi sa che non recuperi una cibba\n<remix_tj> silviopsi: prova a dare questo comando\n<silviopsi> home ripulita intera!!\n<remix_tj> mount | grep $(whoami) | grep crypt | wc -l\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, scusa, ho probelmi con skype, quando dialogo con qualcuno be qualsiasi pagina visite mi trovo la finestra di dialogo, senza cornice e sfarfallante,\n<silviopsi> fatto\n<silviopsi> mi restituisce \"o\"\n<remix_tj> silviopsi: che output tu ha dato?\n<silviopsi> 0\n<remix_tj> 0\n<remix_tj> uhm\n<mrpc> silviopsi, la procedura che hai indicato non tocca la scrivania o i tuoi documenti, non mi pare\n<FloodBotIt2> remix_tj: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<remix_tj> silviopsi: comunque se hai un backup bene\n<remix_tj> altrimenti mi sa che e' gia' troppo tardi\n<remix_tj> stevr1it: uh?\n<silviopsi> niente backup\n<remix_tj> silviopsi: eh, non so che dirti...\n<silviopsi> cmq seguendo quella procedura che ho linkato\n<mrpc> remix_tj, ma come può aver fato sto casino con la procedura indicata nel sito che ha postato?\n<remix_tj> stevr1it: non si e' capito una fava della tua domanda. Quando hai il problema?\n<stevr1it> ok\n<silviopsi> mi pare che il terminale mi ha detto che stavo toccando una directory che finiva (tipo) in .gsfv\n<silviopsi> come se il comando di eliminazione non potesse essere portato a termine\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, quando dialogo con skype, la finestra dove vedo la persona, anche se cambio pagina, e paro un file, rimane sempre li e senza cornice e lampeggia.. uso ubuntu 11.04 con gnome senza effetti,una scheda ati con i driver proprietari. Se uso skuype con unity la finestra di dialogo è divisa a metà e si vedono due teste delal eprsona\n<mrpc> silviopsi, se vuoi provare con photorec comunque ricorda di non farlo salvando i dati sullo stesso supporto dal quale cerchi di recuperarli\n<silviopsi> vabbè mi devo ricostruire il mio ubuntu: è l'unica mi sa\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, mi soo chiarito?\n<remix_tj> stevr1it: ho capito. Quale e' il santo piu' vicino a cui puoi andare a votarti?\n<silviopsi> gli faccio fare l'analisi dell'intero hard disk?\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, ma perchè 11.04 fa sti casini?\n<silviopsi> e poi mi analizzo tutti i file trovati?\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, reinstallo la 10.04?\n<remix_tj> stevr1it: a me non li fa tutti sti problemi, ma se continui ad avere tutte ste rogne torna indietro di versione\n<remix_tj> non sei obbligato ad avere sempre l'ultima\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, hai un 64 bit amd?\n<remix_tj> si ho una macchina 64, ma tu hai skype su un sistema a 64bit?\n<mrpc> silviopsi, se te vuoi recuperare i file della tua home non ce bisogno che scansioni tutto l'hd se hai separato le partizioni altrimenti si\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, si\n<remix_tj> stevr1it: eh, non so quanto bene funzioni\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, ma prima andava benissimo\n<silviopsi> uau, ovvviamente non ho fatto partizione di nulla\n<silviopsi> ok grazie per l'aiuto\n<mrpc> ha fatto tutto da solo allora....scansiona l'hd puoi farlo anche da live ma non salvare sullo stesso hd da cui recuperi ricordalo\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, se tengo intatta la partizione home, e installo debian, solo root faccio casini??\n<remix_tj> no\n<remix_tj> silviopsi: backup backup backup\n<silviopsi> come dire: sbagliando s'impara\n<silviopsi> porca di ..........\n<mrpc> quelche aiuto per questa cam ID 046d:0896 Logitech, Inc. OrbiCam? Altrimenti la schiodo dal notebook\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, non so sto pensando cosa è meglio fare, per tornare alla 10.04 devo sono reinstallare la root?\n<silviopsi> notte ragazzi e grazie ancora\n<mrpc> ciao\n<stevr1it> silviopsi, notte\n<remix_tj> stevr1it: hai la tua home da parte? puoi installare anche fedora se vuoi eh\n<remix_tj> basta che non tocchi la tua home\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, si è da parte, uhumm fedora non mipiace per nulla\n<stevr1it> ok grazie ado con debian allora notte, nella speranza delal prossima lts di ubuntu\n<remix_tj> stevr1it: era un esempio -_-\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, capito, ma siccome le ho provate tutte\n<stevr1it> e ubuntu era la migliore\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, grazie di tutti i suggerimenti, notte\n<remix_tj> stevr1it: lo scopo era dire che puoi installare quel che ti pare\n<remix_tj> se non cancelli i dati\n<remix_tj> non perdi niente\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, mi mancherà poter rompèere un po qui con i miei casini\n<remix_tj> stevr1it: a me non mancherai per niente :-)\n<stevr1it> remix_tj, ciao\n<mrpc> se non ci sta attento e usa un file system diverso gli va in formattazione la partizione e addio dati, spero che se la cavi\n<mrpc> notte alla prossima\n<jumpysnake> sera\n<Guest79636> ciao a tutti\n<Guest79636> anche se non ho risolto niente\n<peppeuz> buonasera. Sto installando Ubuntu 10.04 su un notebook, devo farlo necessariamente via lan perché il lettore cd non funziona e non supporta il boot da usb\n<peppeuz> l'installazione parte normalmente, riesco a fare tutto fino al punto quando deve creare il file system: non c'è verso, si ferma immediatamente e non va avanti. Suggerimenti?\n<claudio> ragazzi buona sera\n<Guest39899> chi è disponibile a rispondere a una domanda semplice?\n<stevr1it> urgente auto, ho fatto un backup con Grsync ed ora ho la root piena, come faccio a trovare il file di backup o lop che me ìl'ha riempita?\n#ubuntu-it 2011-05-28\n<aiutubuntu> buonasera a tutti, mi e' successa una cosa stranissima non so perche' dal 500 usb esterno non trovo piu' nulla mi escono questi valori\n<aiutubuntu> Disk /dev/sda: 122.9 GB, 122942324736 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14946 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x0006f7df Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 14573 117053440 83 Linux /dev/sda2 14573 149\n<HardDiskDiPeppeu> Non ? vero che sono rotto!\n<HardDiskDiPeppeu> Solo funziono in maniera differente.\n<HardDiskDiPeppeu> peppeuz mente. U.U\n<luiframau> Ciao a tutti. Qualcuno ha notizie di Ubuntuwintv per Natty?\n<peppeuz> HardDiskDiPeppeu: siamo su it-chat -.-\n<peppeuz> e sto provando debian\n<HardDiskDiPeppeu> ecco vedi.. funziono in maniera diversa..mica vuol dire che non funziono\n<HardDiskDiPeppeu> :)\n<fulvi0x> buongiorno a tutti\n<umicheli> ciao\n<fulvi0x> ciao..\n<fulvi0x> chi mi può dare dei consigli su come mettere linux su un netbook senza lettore cd ?\n<enzotib> fulvi0x: puoi creare una pendrive di installazione\n<fulvi0x> enzotib: ma facendola partire (ad esempio con lubuntu), mi installa un dual boot con windows e lubuntu o solo lubuntu?\n<fulvi0x> io vorrei toglierlo definitivamente windows\n<enzotib> fulvi0x: se fare dual boot oppure sostituire completamente il sistema operativo esistente, lo scegli in fase di partizionamento.\n<fulvi0x> perfetto!!! grazie ^^\n<enzotib> fulvi0x: però dipende dalla tua esperienza con linux, se sei all'inizio ti suggerirei di mantenere windows, per un po' di tempo\n<fulvi0x> enzotib no tranq ;)\n<fulvi0x> sono i netbook senza lettore cd ke mi sono nuovi\n<fulvi0x> non linux ^^\n<enzotib> !usb | fulvi0x\n<ubot-it> fulvi0x: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/DaSupportoUsb\n<fulvi0x> aZZ\n<fulvi0x> bella!!\n<enzotib> fulvi0x: se poi vuoi farlo da windows, ti posso fornire altre info\n<enzotib> !installazione | fulvi0x\n<ubot-it> fulvi0x: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<fulvi0x> unebootin ??\n<enzotib> anche\n<fulvi0x> vabeh è indifferente.. ora sto scaricando la iso ..\n<fulvi0x> tu sai anche consigliarmi quale distro mettere?\n<enzotib> fulvi0x: ovviamente ubuntu :)\n<fulvi0x> ahahaha\n<enzotib> (dato il canale in cui siamo)\n<fulvi0x> enzotib: ma è un netbook con 7gb di harddisk e 500mb di ram\n<fulvi0x> mi è stato sconsigliato ubuntu desktop\n<enzotib> sì, va bene\n<fulvi0x> lubuntu non è sempre ubuntu ma lite ?\n<fulvi0x> o ho capito male ..\n<fulvi0x> pensavo stesse per lite ubuntu\n<enzotib> lubuntu ha un desktop environment diverso, anziché GNOME ha LXDE\n<enzotib> ma la base è sempre ubuntu\n<fulvi0x> ah okk!!\n<fulvi0x> il desktop environment più pesante è il kde giusto ?\n<enzotib> mah, non saprei, gli estimatori di kde dicono di no\n<fulvi0x> ahahahahhahahahaha\n<fulvi0x> :D\n<fulvi0x> arch pure mi hanno consigliato .. ma mi fido di ubuntu!!\n<fulvi0x> anche per la sua comunità ..\n<enzotib> archlinux richiede un po' di lavoro per avere un sistema funzionante, magari dà più soddisfazione alla persona esperta, ma bisogna perderci un po' di tempo\n<fulvi0x> capito..\n<massimo18> Buon Giorno\n<lonejack> sapete perchè il mio sistema 10.04 non propone l'aggiornamento alla 11.04?\n<enzotib> lonejack: perché le LTS propongono (di default) solo l'aggiornamento alla successiva LTS (12.04 da venire)\n<lonejack> enzotib, ma scusa ho una 10.04 la successiva è la 11.04?\n<Peace-> no\n<Peace-> lonejack: ogni 3 anni\n<lonejack> okayo... non lo sapevo\n<enzotib> Peace-: ogni *due* anni\n<Peace-> enzotib: vero\n<Pavlx> chi desidera aiutarmi ?\n<Pavlx> ho un problema con ubuntu ho postato il problema qui pastebin.ubuntu.com/614047\n<Pavlx> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/614047\n<Peace-> Pavlx: male , molto male\n<jester-> Pavlx: hardy?\n<Pavlx> si una vecchia hardy\n<Pavlx> e prima era ancora pi? vecchia\n<Pavlx> e ci lavoravo bene con la precedente\n<jester-> Pavlx: 1000 e3 fischia pacchi in sospeso: cosa stavi facendo\n<Pavlx> aggiornamento\n<Pavlx> e nulla di piu'\n<jester-> Pavlx: aggornamento dopo 4 anni?\n<Pavlx> non mi interessa aggiornare un os, ma lavorarci\n<jester-> Pavlx: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/cups-common_1.4.4-7_all.deb\n<jester-> Pavlx: infatti gli aggiornamenti li fanno per sport\n<jester-> Pavlx: sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get upgrade\n<eLBati> ciao\n<fleurtherock> ciao\n<fleurtherock> sulle add-on di firefox ne avevo trovata una che mi permetteva di farne funzionare altra non prettamente dedicate all'ultima versione vi ricordate come si chiama?\n<Pavlx> ecco un altro http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/614092\n<Pavlx> a forza di aggiornamenti gli hard drives si sono appesantiti\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: gli aggiornamenti si fanno per lavorarci, non cosi' tanto per fare\n<Pavlx> eh, hai pure ragione te, ma quando te li manda ubuntu, credo che siano indiscutibili\n<Pavlx> e quando non funzionavano da interfaccia grafica bisognava farli a mano\n<Pavlx> dedicandoci diverse ore\n<remix_tj> ??\n<remix_tj> io ci dedico 3 minuti a settimana pure sui server\n<Pavlx> quando presi l'hard drive su cui sto lavorando, 200 gb gli bastavano ed avanzavano nel 2005, ora 200 gb non ic fa pi? nulla\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: eh?\n<remix_tj> 200gb?\n<Pavlx> non mi sembra affatto corretto che il sistema stia diventando sempre piu' ciccione\n<remix_tj> ma il sistema non diventa ciccione, semplicemente aggiornando rimpiazza alcuni file\n<remix_tj> e quando hai finito pulisci la cache e ritorna come prima\n<remix_tj> certo che 1000 pacchetti pesano una cifra\n<remix_tj> vabbe'\n<Pavlx> si 200 gb e non ci faccio nulla\n<Pavlx> ci sono stati aggiornamenti per piu' di 100 pacchetti\n<Pavlx> 1000\n<Pavlx> altro che mille, ne ho dovuti aggiornare migliaia\n<Pavlx> solo per arrivare ad hardy\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: quando ha finito l'aggiornamento, ripeto, cancelli la cache e ritorna come prima\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: ma stai facendo un avanzamento di versione?\n<Pavlx> se riesciussi a rispristinare l'interfaccia grafica sarei contento\n<Pavlx> purtroppo l'interfaccia grafica non riesco a ripristinarla\n<remix_tj> stai facendo un avanzamento di versione?\n<Pavlx> e sto lavorando su un hdd che avendo 6 anni e' seriamente compromessa\n<Pavlx> sto aggiornando tutto\n<Pavlx> ma lo sto facendo solo per sostituire qui pacchetti obsoleti e per avere un sistema leggermente piu' giovane\n<Pavlx> ma per me riuscire a metter mano all'interfaccia grafica e' vitale\n<remix_tj> aggiornando cosa significa?\n<remix_tj> aggiornare e rimanere alla stessa versione\n<remix_tj> o aggiornare e passare ad una versione piu' recente?\n<remix_tj> non mi sembra di far domande difficili\n<remix_tj> per domande facili voglio risposte semplici, tutto qui :-)\n<Pavlx> si puo' lasciare pure lo stesso kernel, ma aggiornare i pacchetti\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: resti su hardy o passi a qualche release piu' avanti?\n<Pavlx> oppure si puo' decidere di aggiornare anche il kernel\n<Pavlx> al momento rimango ad hardy, dato che ci sono dei problemi da dover risolvere\n<remix_tj> ohhhhhhh\n<eLBati> scusate qualcuno con natty ha problemi con l'application menu? tipo che il menu di applicazioni come thunderbird non compare? (parlo del menu 'file' 'tools'...)\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: e dopo quell'errore non ti funziona l'interfaccia grafica?\n<Pavlx> prima si risolvono i problemi, fare un backup ed infine installare una nuova ubuntu\n<Pavlx> esattamente come hai detto\n<remix_tj> a me sembra un po' impossibile, visto che dovrebbe non funzionarti soltanto il servizio di stampa\n<remix_tj> comunque\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: ridammi il comando\n<giordano> Salve a tutti e a tutte, vorrei chiedere una piccola cosa, esiste un programma simile a Banner che consente di creare in maniera veloce uno striscione con lettere bombate e colorate? Grazie\n<remix_tj> sudo apt-get install -f\n<Pavlx> certo che se si potesse continuare a chattare, mentre il sistema si riavvia\n<Pavlx> guarda che hai sbagliato il comando sudo apt-get -f install\n<remix_tj> funziona uguale\n<cagi> buongiorno a tutti, ho fatto installato la 11.04 di ubuntu e da allora il wifi non mi funziona più sono alle primissime armi e quindi non so dove mettere le mani avrei bisogno di aiuto\n<Pavlx> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/614098\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/libcups2_1.4.4-7_i386.deb\n<Pavlx> riecco il http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/614101\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: apt-get -f install\n<remix_tj> ridaghene\n<Pavlx> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/614105\n<Pavlx> dunque qualche novita' ?\n<remix_tj> non vedo nulla\n<remix_tj> tu vedi errori?\n<Pavlx> sembrerebbe che ci sono 3 files isolati e piu' di 1100 non aggiornati\n<remix_tj> sei tornato al prompt?\n<Pavlx> si certo\n<Pavlx> ho lavorato sempre da shell\n<Pavlx> ho lanciato sempre firefox da shell\n<Pavlx> ed ogni volta dovevo chiudere firefox per postarti il pastebin\n<remix_tj> -_-\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: ora rilancia sudo apt-get upgrade\n<Pavlx> anche ora sto usando la shell e sto usando irssi\n<Pavlx> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/614109\n<Pavlx> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/614110\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: quindi?\n<Pavlx> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/614111\n<Pavlx> trovati altri errori\n<jester-> Pavlx: hai il sistema apt a buone donne\n<jester-> Pavlx: non ha piu nemmeno la key dei repo ufficiali\n<Pavlx> a quanto pare si\n<Pavlx> sembrerebbe che hai ragione\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf_1.5.36.1_all.deb\n<Pavlx> ma hanno fatto la distribuzione in modo che i repositories siano settabili solo da interfaccia grafica, questo e' quel che almeno mi sembra di ricordare\n<jester-> Pavlx: ma va, la gui scrive semplicemente sources.list\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: l'interfaccia grafica l'hanno fatto per farti usare il mouse.\n<Pavlx> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/614113\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: ce l'hai in culo, non ci fai piu' niente da qui\n<remix_tj> e' rotto del tutto\n<remix_tj> ma posso sapere che problema ha la tua interfaccia grafica?\n<Pavlx> sfondo marrone\n<Pavlx> onon si vede nulla sullo schermo a parte lo sfondo\n<Pavlx> niente di niente\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: apri un terminale e lancia il comando\n<remix_tj> gnome-panel\n<Pavlx> c' solo la shell e la possbilita' di lanciare le cose da shell come ad esempio mozilla\n<remix_tj> bene\n<remix_tj> da quella shell lancia\n<jester-> !gnomereset | Pavlx\n<ubot-it> Pavlx: Per resettare gnome alle sue impostazioni di default rinominare le cartelle nascoste nella propria home .gnome2 .config .gconf .gconfd .gnome2_private e riavviare la sessione\n<remix_tj> gnome-terminal &\n<jester-> Pavlx: 2) gconftool-2 -u --recursive-unset /apps/panel\n<jester-> Pavlx: 3) che senso ha rianimare hardy\n<Pavlx> non ho capito bene il primo passaggio\n<Pavlx> entrare nella /home e poi in .gnome2\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: entra nella tua home\n<jester-> Pavlx: leggi bene\n<remix_tj> e lancia\n<remix_tj> for i in .gnome2 .config .gconf .gconf2 .gnome2_private; do mv $i $i.old; done\n<Pavlx> non ho questi files nascosti in /home\n<jester-> Pavlx: li hai in /home/obelix o in breve i ~/\n<jester-> per home si intende la cartella user\n<jester-> for i in ~/.gnome2 .config .gconf .gconf2 .gnome2_private; do mv ~/$i $i.old; done\n<jester-> o fai cd /home/obelisco\n<Pavlx> io non ho gnome2 ma gnome2old\n<jester-> Pavlx: se hai lanciato la stringa mi pare normale\n<Pavlx> e dunque ?\n<Pavlx> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/614126\n<Pavlx> ma per far tornare i files sul desktop che debbo fare ?\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: hai dato il comando\n<remix_tj> gnome-panel &\n<remix_tj> ?\n<_Fox__> ciao ragazzi qualcuno puo aiutarmi?\n<Pavlx> se li guardo sulla shell si vedono\n<Pavlx> no, debbo aver saltato quel passaggio involontariamente\n<Pavlx> sudo gnome-panel &\n<Pavlx> [1] 12829\n<Pavlx> che accidenti vogliono dire quei numeri ?\n<remix_tj> fregatene\n<remix_tj> si sono aperti i menu?\n<remix_tj> anzi i pannelli\n<remix_tj> ?\n<FloodBotIt2> remix_tj: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<Pavlx> vuoi dire su appare applications places systems e le varie icone sul panel ?\n<remix_tj> ho detto pannelli, cosa c'e' cosi' difficile?\n<Pavlx> cosa intendi per pannelli ?\n<remix_tj> quelli si chiamano pannelli\n<remix_tj> quella cosa che hai sopra e sotto lo schermo\n<remix_tj> con i bottono\n<remix_tj> bottoni, l'orologio\n<Pavlx> intendi i panneli che sono in Applications .....\n<remix_tj> no.\n<Pavlx> si certo\n<remix_tj> applications e' nei pannelli\n<remix_tj> non il contrario\n<remix_tj> bene\n<remix_tj> ok\n<remix_tj> allora apri Places\n<remix_tj> e apri la tua home da li'\n<Pavlx> da quando mi dicesti di digitare gnome-panel\n<Pavlx> ma io voglio vedere i miei files sullo schermo non tramite /home/obelix/Desktop\n<yankee> se voglio vedere un hard disk esterno attaccato ad un windows7 su ubuntu, devo usare samba?\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: si ok ho capito\n<remix_tj> pero' si vedono?\n<remix_tj> ti si apre nautilus?\n<Pavlx> si\n<Pavlx> si\n<remix_tj> tu hai tutti i tuoi file sul desktop?\n<Pavlx> si\n<remix_tj> allora premi\n<remix_tj> alt-F2\n<remix_tj> e scrivi\n<remix_tj> nautilus\n<FloodBotIt2> remix_tj: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<remix_tj> e comunque il fatto che tu abbia tutti i file sul desktop di rende una persona da evitare :-)\n<Aizram> XD sistemate sto conteggio delle righe\n<remix_tj> .\n<remix_tj> Aizram: no ce l'ha con me FloodBotIt2 perche' scrivo in un modo che non gli piace.\n<Aizram> :D\n<Aizram> e lo so\n<remix_tj> Pavlx: lo scopo della nosta attività e' farti fare il backup e formattare perche' hai il sistema a puttane.\n<remix_tj> vado a mangiare.\n<Pavlx> anche io\n<Pavlx> ma solo cosi? potro' finalmente metter mano ai miei files\n<Pavlx> tnx too much\n<yankeee> se voglio vedere un hard disk esterno attaccato ad un windows7 su ubuntu, devo usare samba?\n<jester-> yankeee cioè? sta attaccato a un altro pc con seven in lan\n<yankeee> si l'hd è attaccato al pc con seven\n<yankeee> e ho un router\n<yankeee> e voglio vedere il contenuto da ubuntu\n<remix_tj> !samba | yankeee\n<ubot-it> yankeee: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Server/Samba\n<jester-> yankeee: prova a installare ssh server e poi ad usare accedi al server\n<remix_tj> diciamo che in realta' potrebbe bastare la voce di menu' che serve per collegare le unita' di rete\n<jester-> protocollo ssh\n<remix_tj> jester-: l'hd e' attaccato sul pc con windows seven, non c'e' ssh:-)\n<jester-> aggià \n<jester-> remix_tj: se po minga instalall sul seven?\n<yankeee> ho già provato con samba, ho creato il file di configurazione\n<yankeee> ma non va un gran che\n<yankeee> adesso riprovo con la guida ufficiale\n<remix_tj> jester-: su windows anca no\n<remix_tj> yankeee: allora\n<jester-> remix_tj: putty?\n<remix_tj> spe un secondo\n<remix_tj> jester-: no no\n<Rigongia> Ciao a tutti\n<remix_tj> allora\n<remix_tj> yankeee: sul pc windows supponiamo che si chiami f:\\ l'unita' hd\n<remix_tj> quindi tu da ubuntu dovresti fare\n<remix_tj> Risorse -> Connetti Al server\n<remix_tj> scegli il tipo \"Condivisione windows\"\n<remix_tj> come server metti l'ip del pc windows\n<remix_tj> e come nome condivisione metti f$\n<remix_tj> poi utente quello dell'altro PC con seven e come dominio metti l'ip dell'altro computer\n<remix_tj> in teoria funziona, in pratica dipende da un po' di fattori\n<yankeee> provo\n<jester-> remix_tj: condivisione winzoz?\n<remix_tj> si\n<yankeee> non va\n<remix_tj> yankeee: allora devi esplicitamente fare una condivisione di quell'unita'\n<remix_tj> purtroppo non sono ferrato nell'ambiente home\n<remix_tj> in zona professional funziona cosi'\n<yankeee> su windows l'ho condiviso il disco\n<BienVenido> ciao scusate cè un modo per ottimizzare il trasferimento dati della usb2.0 su ubuntu?\n<BienVenido> mi sta andando lento\n<BienVenido> mi trasferisce a 10 mb al secondo\n<BienVenido> per favore qualcuno sa cosa si puo' fare?\n<giorgio88> è stato risolto il bug di unity nella 11.04 che riguardava il freeze con l'utilizzo dei driver nvidia current?\n<bunga> Salve... non mi parte più skype -.-\n<bunga> nemmeno a morire\n<bunga> ?\n<bunga> pronto pronto?\n<bunga> c'è qualcuno?\n<cagi> buongiorno a tutti, ho fatto installato la 11.04 di ubuntu e da allora il wifi non mi funziona più sono alle primissime armi e quindi non so dove mettere le mani avrei bisogno di aiuto\n<enzotib> cagi: se clicchi sull'icona della rete, compare la tua rete nella lista?\n<cagi> enzotib, si compare cerca la connessione poi chiede la chiave la metto e mi da errata\n<enzotib> cagi: sei sicuro che ti chieda la chiave e non, che so, lo sblocco del keyring?\n<cagi> enzotib:keyring è il portachiavi?\n<enzotib> cagi: sì\n<cagi> enzotib, no quella me la chiedeva ssubito all'accensione ed ora l'ho tolta\n<enzotib> cagi: prova a vedere se nelle impostazioni di sicurezza della connessione è impostato il metodo corretto\n<cagi> enzotib, abbi pazienza sono proprio a zero cosa dovrei guardare di preciso in quel tab?\n<enzotib> cagi: la tua rete wireless com'è impostata? questo devi saperlo tu. WEP, WPA, WPA2?\n<cagi> enzotib, wap\n<enzotib> cagi: a parte che non esiste, ma proprio quello devi controllare, se è impostato come dev'essere\n<cagi> enzotib, scusa volevo scrivere wpa\n<cagi> enzotib, per la precisione WPA-PSK TKIP 256 bit\n<shadenzo> ciao ragazzi come si fa a cambiare la dimesione delle icone sulla scivania (gnome 2)\n<enzotib> cagi: in genere dovrebbe capirlo da solo, in ogni caso controlla che sia corretta l'impostazione della connessione, magari prova sia con WPA personal che enterprise, non so bene la differenza\n<cagi> enzotib, ho già provato ma niente\n<cagi> enzotib, ho gia avuto il problema con la 10.10 e con il vs aiuto era risolto. ho provato a rifare il tutto, ma evidentemente dimentico qualcosaù\n<enzotib> shadenzo: da nautilus, preferenze, viste, preferenze vista a icone, livello di ingrandimento predefinito\n<shadenzo> ahem grazie enzotib mi sembrava piu complicato ahem -.-\"\n<alessandro_> salve a tutti\n<alessandro_> io avrei una particolare richiesta\n<alessandro_> dovrei fare una penna usb con un server all'interno\n<alessandro_> però non volevo usare xammp o easyphp\n<enzotib> un server in una penna? e ci sta?\n<alessandro_> ma bensi' usare un server che mi dà la possibilità di vederlo sia con linux sia con windows\n<alessandro_> perchè io uso il bellisimo ubuntu ma purtroppo\n<alessandro_> la maggioranza della gente usa windows\n<alessandro_> enzotib bhe oddio su una penna da 4gb ci stà qualcosina\n<alessandro_> e possibile creare questo server da utilizzare in win e linux?\n<enzotib> alessandro_: allora, cominciamo col dire che non siamo su messenger, quindi esprimi pensieri più lunghi, senza premere enter ogni tre o quattro parole\n<alessandro_> ok scusa\n<enzotib> alessandro_: seconda cosa, non ho capito granché, se potessi spiegare meglio sarebbe utile\n<alessandro_> a me servirebbe una penna usb con al''interno un server perchè dovrei mostrare dei siti demo\n<alessandro_> siccome uso i csm avrei bisogno del database quindi mi serve sempre un server com phpmyadmin etc..\n<alessandro_> la maggior parte della gente usa ancora windows\n<enzotib> alessandro_: credo di dire una cosa ovvia, ma un webserver non deve girare necessariamente sullo stesso tipo di sistema operative di un web client\n<enzotib> anzi, in giro molti siti sono su apache/linux, e gli utenti che li guardano nemmeno lo sanno\n<alessandro_> ok capito però io avrei la necessità di lavorare in linux e poi come faccio far vedere i miei lavori ai clienti\n<enzotib> alessandro_: ma mica te lo devi portare dietro il server! non basta accedervi in rete?\n<alessandro_> si ok ma volevo una cosa alternativa alla rete\n<alessandro_> al posto di comprarmi uno spazio web lo facevo direttamente dalla usb\n<enzotib> alessandro_: ma il server deve essere un OS avviato, non puoi attaccare la penna a un pc acceso e sperare di avere qualcosa di utilizzabile\n<enzotib> a meno che non avvii il pc del cliente facendo boot dalla tua penna\n<alessandro_> siamo arrivati al punto che volevo io\n<enzotib> alessandro_: ok, se è questo che vuoi, quello che c'è sul pc ospite non conta niente, ti interessa solo l'hardware e io bios\n<alessandro_> uno: esiste un programmino che io inserisco la penna usb e poi dentro alla mia usb faccio partire direttamente il bios\n<alessandro_> scusa ho fatto confusione\n<alessandro_> un programma che faccia partire il bios direttamente dalla mia usb\n<alessandro_> senza che sia io a mettere le mani nel bios\n<enzotib> non credo\n<alessandro_> ok allora è meglio che mi compri uno spazio web e butto tutto li dentro\n<enzotib> alessandro_: ma perché non ti porti un laptop? è più semplice e sicuro, non puoi mai sapere se qualcosa non va su un pc di un altro\n<alessandro_> oppure bisogna che vada con un portatile\n<enzotib> ecco\n<alessandro_> il problema mio è che uso un fisso per lavorare\n<enzotib> oppure devi usare una virtual machine, non so se esiste una versione portable per windows\n<alessandro_> e ogni volta dovrei passare tutti i miei lavori dal fisso al portatile\n<alessandro_> senza la rottura di crearmi nuovi database e configurare i csm\n<alessandro_> quindi meglio che mi compri uno spazio web giusto?\n<enzotib> alessandro_: direi di sì\n<enzotib> alessandro_: ma se non hai fastweb (che non ti dà un indirizzo pubblico), puoi usare il tuo pc come server, con dyndns\n<alessandro_> ho anche quella sfiga li che uso fastweb\n<alessandro_> è una bellissima cosa usare il propio pc come server\n<alessandro_> ma con fastweb non è propio possibile usufruire di quel bel servizio?\n<enzotib> non è un problema del servizio, è un problema di fastweb che ti tiene dietro un muro\n<alessandro_> èhh lo so purtroppo al momento ci son cascato con l'offerta fastweb\n<alessandro_> ma ora vorrei cambiare anche perchè lo posso fare\n<akis24> buon pomeriggio\n<zaganator> ciao a tutti\n<zaganator> io dovrei installare wine per utilizzare sketch up ma non riesco mi dice che devo installare pacchetti non fidati!! come aggirare l'ostacolo?\n<akis24> wine è di default su ubuntu almeno per quello che so' io\n<zaganator> volevo provare ad utilizzare il terminale ma non sono molto ferrato in argomento\n<akis24> e ha tutto sui repository interni\n<zaganator> ok ma se clicco sul file .exe di installazione non me lo riconosce\n<akis24> ma su ubuntu non cè un file .exe di installazione\n<akis24> prova da synaptic\n<zaganator> ok ci provo grazie!!\n<akis24> prg\n<simontol> Ciao, qualcuno mi può aiutare? Ho un problema con i driver proprietari nvidia su Natty..\n<simontol> Praticamente se li installo arrivo alla schermata del desktop ma non riescoa a cliccare in nessuna area dello schermo, inoltre l'area di notifica non viene caricata. Se accedo alla console (ctrl+alt+f1), il risultato è una schermata con caratteri illeggibili\n<akis24> ciao\n<shek> salve a tutti\n<shek> qualcuno di voi mi può aiutare con la configurazione di privoxy?\n<balloto> Buon pomeriggio a tutti!\n<balloto> ho appena fatto l'aggiornamento a ubuntu 11.04..tutto ok tranne che l'orario, nel pannello. risulta \"schiacciata\"..ovvero io vedo: 17.3 e l'ultima cifra si vede a metà ..se provo a spostarlo si sposta tutto il gadget (compreso del volume, controllo connessione e pulsante per spegnere). Ho provato a resettare il pannello ma resta sempre così..qualcuno ha qualche idea?\n<shek> lanciando privoxy da console ho il seguente errore: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/614216/\n<shek> qualcuno mi può aiutare !?!?!?\n<jofor> salve a tutti\n<MatteoR> ciao jofor\n<jofor> novità ?\n<gigirock> ho in configurazione da grub diversi kernel vorrei tenere solo l'ultimo ....come faccio ad eliminarli ?\n<Peace-> gigirock: sudo apt-get remove porcherie\n<gigirock> Peace-, ciao, ma porcherie cosa scrivo ?\n<gigirock> non si faceva da synaptic ?\n<Peace-> gigirock: e daje http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/28/plasma-desktopxS9174.jpg\n<Peace-> ti ho letto nel pensiero\n<gigirock> tu 6 come quello degli x-men :)\n<gigirock> Peace-, ma tu non eri esperto di stampe e scanner ?\n<gigirock> ma se uno ha installato la 1004 che kernel dovrebbe avere ?\n<Peace-> gigirock: google ==package ubuntu ==> sitarello\n<Peace-> ==>tutti i pacchi ==> ctrl F linux image ==> ottinei il numerello\n<Peace-> gigirock: boh io riesco piu o meno in tutto\n<gigirock> Peace-, io dovrei fare in maniera che diversi scanner connessi sulla rete ethernet , alla pressione del tasto scan sulla macchina, generino dei file che finiscono tutti in una determinata directory\n<gigirock> ho a disposizione un server ubuntu sempre presente sulla rete\n<Peace-> connetti ssh per ogni file\n<Peace-> e poi dai per ogni connessione lo stesso comando\n<Peace-> man scanimage\n<gigirock> Peace-, connetti ssh per ogni file ?\n<Peace-> ti connetti via ssh ad ogni computer\n<Peace-> forse cosi si fa cmq è una roba da nerd\n<Peace-> :)\n<Peace-> peroì ha un suo perche interessante\n<gigirock> raga ad ogni avvio il sistema dice di dover controllare l'hard disk , se lo lascio fare al termine dice che ci sono problemi su /\n<gigirock> non e' possibile controllare l'hard disk dal os ?\n<gigirock> ci vuole una live ?\n<Peace-> gigirock: usa la live\n<gigirock> una volta accesa la live che comandi devo dare .... chkdsk ?\n<Peace-> gigirock: mi pare fsck.ext3\n<Peace-> o fsck.ext4\n<gigirock> ah ora rammento grazie Peace-\n<gigirock> adesso cerco la live.....ma mi sa che sto catorcio n avvia dalla usb......devo incendiare un CD :)\n<gigirock> i kernel marci se ne sono andati :)\n<gigirock> Peace-, funzionera' fsck anche da gparted live ?\n<gigirock> quella ce l'ho !\n<gigirock> miiiii sono scarsissimo...\n<gigirock> passo alla live....\n<gigirock> cia\n<Peace-> gigirock: l'hai detto sei scarso\n<petremic> ciao ho un problema con la lucid, non la apro da molto tempo. non riesco ad aggiornare credo sia un problema sulle sorgenti software mi mancano dei repository, e se non è questo proprio non so cos'è. tra l'altro ho ancora la lingua inglese non riesce a scaricare l'italiano.\n<petremic> mi aiutereste?\n<Aizram> che errore ti da?\n<petremic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/614249/\n<jester-> petremic: mezz'ora fa ti è stato detto come cambiare server\n<petremic> jester no, mi è stato detto che il problema è il server ma non mi è stato detto come cambiarlo\n<gigirock> jester-, c'e' l'errore delle gp\n<gigirock> *gpg keys\n<jester-> gigirock: quello non è un errore, poi non scarica da 2 server\n<gigirock> jester-, dns ?\n<jester-> gigirock: leggi l'errore che ha postato\n<petremic> jester-, mi dici come cambiare server?\n<petremic> altrimenti tra mezzora sto ancora qua a fare domande\n<jester-> petremic: amministrazione/sorgenti software\n<petremic> jester-, ok ci sono ma ci sono una marea di opzioni\n<jester-> petremic: scaricare da/click/altro/italia/fastbull\n<jester-> petremic: quindi scegli server\n<petremic> ok sembra cge sta funzionando\n<petremic> jester-, finalmente sta aggiornando ho fatto con l'opzione \"select the best server\"\n<petremic> volevo sapere da qualcuno se è possibile installare i plasmoidi di kde su ubuntu\n<petremic> mi servirebbe il pastbin ad esempio\n<enrylinux> si\n<petremic> enrylinux, hai risposto a me con quel sì?\n<nicolakor> ciao a tutti, come faccio a sistemare chrome in modo da visualizzare i video mediaset e rai, moonlight non funziona..\n<enrylinux> si ho visto delle guide per quello che richiedi io personalmente non lo farei ?\n<petremic> enrylinux, e perchè non lo faresti?\n<enrylinux> inanzitutto che sistema hai ?\n<petremic> su un pc ho kubuntu su un altro ho lucid\n<petremic> ubuntu\n<enrylinux> versione\n<petremic> lucid\n<petremic> riavvio e rientro tra un pò\n<petremic> quindi perchè non a i plasmoidi su ubuntu lucid?\n<enrylinux> perche' ti potrebbero dare dei problemi di conflitti\n<enrylinux> se ti piace kde installati quello\n<petremic> enrylinux, a me piace moltissimo kde e infatti mi sa che resto con quello sul fisso e con ubuntu sul portatile\n<petremic> enrylinux, anche se devo dire da grafico che gnome è più attraente\n<enrylinux> forse dovresti aggiornare alla 11.04\n<petremic> sì fatto\n<petremic> ma nonostante questo gnome è meglio\n<enrylinux> io uso entrambi\n<petremic> anche a livello semplicemente del font\n<MeAtieR> c'è nessuno?\n<MeAtieR> ho bisogno di una mano\n<bobbybong> !nessuno\n<ubot-it> se nessuno parla in canale non significa che non ci siano utenti attivi. Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno vorrà rispondervi lo farà \n<MeAtieR> grazie bobby\n<MeAtieR> non riesco a guardare raitv, serve silverlight ma non esiste per ubuntu, quindi ho scaricato moonlight ma non funziona.. come posso fare?\n<attempt> male\n<MeAtieR> tutto qua?\n<attempt> in pratica non c'e' verso.\n<attempt> cambiano silverlight di contiuo, moonlight non gli puo' tenere dietro.\n<spada> ciao a tutti! ho un problema..provo a installare ubuntu 11.04 ma arrivato al menu di scelta da chiavetta, qualsiasi sia la mia scelta mi da un errore al momento del boot, dicendo che non trova il kernel..cosa devo fare??\n<newbie|2> Buonasera\n<newbie|2> ragazzi qualcuno sa se c'èun modo per installare Lubuntu attraverso Wubi?\n<newbie|2> Non so magari modificando un file di configurazione di wubi per fargli credere che lubuntu sia tipo una distribuzione ufficiale\n<frey> ciao raga scusate se vis tono ancora ma sto impazzendo per lo scrolling del touchpad\n<frey> non riesco a trovare il pacchetto synclient\n<frey> nessuno sa qualcosa??? eppure penso sia uun problema noto a molti pc\n<Carlin0> !info xserver-xorg-input-synapitcs\n<ubot-it> Package xserver-xorg-input-synapitcs does not exist in natty\n<Carlin0> !info xserver-xorg-input-synaptics\n<ubot-it> xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (source: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics): Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.99+git20110116.0e27ce3a-0ubuntu12 (natty), package size 67 kB, installed size 368 kB\n<frey> a me risulta installato\n<frey> il file xorg\n<frey> è vuoto\n<D1G1U> sera\n<frey> sera\n<D1G1U> na domanda\n<D1G1U> :) ho aggiornato alla 11.04 ma non mi funziona l'utility pig\n<D1G1U> anche nella 10.10 avevo questo problema\n<D1G1U> qualcuno di voi ha questo problema?\n<D1G1U> nella 10.10 era un bug onosciuto, se non sbaglio\n<D1G1U> se qualcuno di voi ha l'ultima versione può controllare perfavore?\n<D1G1U> nessuno?\n<frey> anche per me nessuno?\n<frey> D1G1U, per stasera siamo stati sfortunati\n<frey> ciao a tutti notte\n<zaganator> ciao qualcuno sa qualcosa su come farpartire google earth\n<zaganator> qualcuno?\n<DareDevil> anche io avrei bisogno di qualcuno\n<steph7> mi complimento con la community per il nuovo sito, molto bello\n<steph7> scusate, pensavo di essere in chat\n<DareDevil> al momento dell'installazione ho scelto di non fare il login bensì di accedere direttamente\n<zaganator_> bbb\n<DareDevil> come posso abilitare il login?\n#ubuntu-it 2011-05-29\n<zaganator_> ok credo che nn ci sia nessuno disponibile\n<zaganator_> qualcuno di voi ha avuto esperienza con google earth?\n<zaganator_> a me nn si collega al server... dice di mettere a posto il firewall ma i nn ho nessun firewall attivato!\n<zaganator_> ok si fanno quattro chiacchere?\n<zaganator_> visto che di ubuntu nn si riesce a parlare\n<zaganator_> ok nemmeno chiacchere... cerchiamo altrove!!!\n<zafira> ciao a tutti\n<zafira> come si installa cinelerra??\n<zaganator_> è la prima volta che mi capita di nn ricever nemmeno una risposta.... bene dicono che c'è sempre una prima volta...\n<zaganator_> zafira http://www.tuxmind.altervista.org/?p=189\n<zaganator_> primo risultato su gg\n<zafira> grazie\n<zaganator> prego\n<Carlin0> DareDevil, hai trovato come riabilitare il login ?\n<DareDevil> sì sì\n<DareDevil> ora ho sia gnome che kde\n<DareDevil> e posso scegliere all'avvio cosa usare\n<DareDevil> è perfetto\n<Carlin0> capito ...\n<DareDevil> per ora sto su ubuntu\n<DareDevil> non ho capito però quando farò gli aggiornamenti se mi aggiornerà sia gnome che kde insieme\n<attempt> il sources.list e' uno solo.\n<Carlin0> aggiorna tutti i pacchetti installati\n<DareDevil> ottimo\n<DareDevil> ora ho proprio tutto...ho la grafica di gnome con molti software kde\n<DareDevil> non capisco, perchè quando chiudo kde al riavvio successivo i programmi aperti vengono ripristinati mentre con gnome si chiude tutto?\n<attempt> ogni sessione e' a se\n<attempt> se usi kde e li e' impostato riapri l'ultima sessione,la salva e la riapre.\n<DareDevil> e su ubuntu si può impostare di salvare l'ultima sessione?\n<attempt> penso proprio di si\n<DareDevil> sapresti dirmi come?\n<Carlin0> mi pare lo faccia da se\n<DareDevil> ok allora provo a riavviare e a verificare se mi lascia tutti i software aperti\n<Carlin0> ma non ne sono sicuro io uso solo gnome\n<DareDevil> e di quello sto parlando\n<DareDevil> perchè kde sicuro lo fa\n<Carlin0> ahhhhhh... applicazioni d'avvio aspe...\n<attempt> ti posso dire su kde. e' in sistem settings. una delle opzioni della sessione. su gnome non ricordo.\n<DareDevil> essì ma a me serve su gnome perchè kde già me lo fa\n<Carlin0> da applicazioni d'avvio c'è l'opzione memorizza\n<Carlin0> mai usata :P\n<DareDevil> provo a riavviare senza sto memorizza e vedo cosa succede\n<DareDevil> dopodichè vado a letto\n<DareDevil> grazie\n<attempt> io riapro nuova sessione sempre. non mi interessa che mi riapra programmi che avevo aperti alla chiusura.\n<DareDevil> un'ultima domanda, come gadget se volessi un orologio più grande su gnome ci sono solo gli screenlets?\n<Carlin0> yes\n<DareDevil> ok\n<Carlin0> prova su gnome-look forse c'è altro\n<DareDevil> grazie però domani ora devo correre a letto\n<DareDevil> buonanotte\n<Carlin0> so fuso mejoo che vado a nanna anch'io\n<cagi> buonasera a tutti,ritento ho installato la 11.04 di ubuntu e da allora il wifi non mi funziona più sono alle primissime armi e quindi non so dove mettere le mani avrei bisogno di aiuto\n<airgnox> cagi prova a vedere sul forum di ubuntu se per caso qlc ha avuto il tuo stesso problema perchè a st'ora dubito che ci sia qualcuno ancora attivo su sto forum\n<airgnox> su sta chat cioè\n<airgnox> io non saprei proprio aiutarti\n<cagi> il problema a quanto ho capito è dovuto dalla scheda intersil isl 3886 che ha dei driver prism54 o comunque a qualcosa del genere che la mia ignoranza non mi consente di capire di più\n<cagi> ah ok provo e grazie\n<cagi> airgnox, beh almeno tu sei attivo\n<airgnox> heheh\n<airgnox> cagi , si ma per poco\n<airgnox> cagi , controlla bene il forum se sei registrato\n<airgnox> è un problema comune quello del wireless\n<cagi> airgnox, si un'occhio anche se sommario glielo avevo dato, ma con questo driver non ne ho visti\n<Edo964> Avrei bisogno di aiuto per ripristinare la parte grafica di ubuntu 11.04 che è incasinata\n<Edo964> : l'altro ieri all'avvio mi ha segnalato un problema sulla cartella /tmp; ieri non riuscivo a fare il login perche vedevo solo caratteri quadrati\n<Edo964> seguendo istruzioni sul web sono riuscito a ripristinare i caratteri\n<Edo964> non sono più eseguibili alcuni programmi:gestore aggiornamebti e aspetto (non riesco a cambiare tema) ecc.\n<massimo18> Buona Domenica\n<Edo964> ubuntu natty 11.04: avrei bisogno di aiuto per ripristinare l'interfaccia grafica (ad es. gestore aggiornamenti non parte)\n<massimo18> Edo964: spiegati meglio\n<Edo964> Innanzitutto grazie! L'altro ieri all'avvia lo splash mi segnala problemi alla cartella /tmp; do il comando F per ripristinare automaticamente, Al riavvio al login appaiono tuto caratteri quadrati bianchi (non mi riconosce la tastiera) in modalità testuale tutto ok (ma io non ci capisco molto). Adesso sono riuscito a sistemare i caratteri, ma alcuni programmi grafici non vanno (gestore aggiornamenti, Aspetto ecc.)\n<massimo18> Edo964: usi unity?\n<Edo964> sì\n<massimo18> Edo964: non capisco cosa sia successo, ma io proverei a resettare unity ma non garantisco che funzioni\n<lonejack> da un po' di tempo non funziona più il tasto-rotella centrale del mouse per fare il copia-incolla. sapete come risolvere?\n<Edo964> <massimo18> grazie ci ho già provato: adesso sono in modalità calssica senza effetti ma il problema rimane\n<massimo18> Edo964: allora non so dirti\n<Edo964> massimo18: grazie comunque\n<alo21> salve a tutti\n<alo21> firez: salve\n<Edo964> Quit: a presto\n<Ab3L> sto riempiendo la mia dichiarazione dei redditi su ubuntu. il problema è che il fisco ginevrino mette sempre dei caratteri minuscoli (mi astengo dai commenti). non mi ricordo più come fare a \"zoomare\" per vederci meglio. qualcuno mi può ricordare come fare?\n<Ab3L> sto usando ubuntu natty versione classica.\n<Ab3L> trovato. :)\n<rorro007> ciao a tutti come faccio ad azzerare renceti in ubuntu 11.04\n<massimo18> rorro007: cosa sono i renceti?\n<rorro007> massimo 18, dove trova file recenti\n<massimo18> rorro007: ma in che contesto?\n<rorro007> massimo 18, nella versione precedente documenti recenti potevo eliminarli\n<steph7> puoi eliminarli da terminale\n<rorro007> steph7, e come è il comando\n<massimo18> rorro007: ma documenti relativi a cosa?\n<massimo18> bho\n<mirchinho> buongiorno a tutti qualcuno può aiutarmi ho installato il 10.04 ma ho dei grossi problemi con gli aggiornamenti ed il software center...........\n<rorro007> massimo 18, tutti mi fa vedere quelli aperti\n<rorro007> massimo 18, o meglio quelli visti\n<mirchinho> ciao a tutti qualcuno riesce aiutarmi?\n<rorro007> massimo 18, non so se hai capito\n<steph7> rorro007, scrivi in google \"unity-cancellare-cronologia-file-documenti-recenti\"\n<steph7> manco il tempo di leggere e già si è eclissato..\n<marcovaldo> ragazzi buona domenica a tutti. ho un problema a creare un file iso da file dvd da terminale... ho provato a crearlo dall'usuale comando mkisofs ma è comparsa un'insolita scritta qualcuno saprebbe darmi qualche dritta????\n<marcovaldo> qui il codice dell'errore: http://paste.ubuntu.com/614492/\n<paolo> salve ragazzi, sono sulla livecd di ubuntu 10.04 ma ho un problema, come unica risoluzione video mi da 1024x768\n<paolo> (ati radeon hd 6490m)\n<paolo> come faccio a portarlo in 1280?\n<paolo> siete tutti a pranzo... allora ripasso poi\n<napster32> ciao a tutti\n<napster32> avrei bisogno di una delucidazione\n<pitzalone> buongiorno. come posso fa riapparire l'icona nell'area di notifica di network manager? è sparita!\n<pitzalone> anche quell del volume\n<napster32> fai tasto destro sulla barra\n<napster32> aggiungi pannello\n<napster32> indicatore completo\n<pitzalone> non mi esce indicatore completo\n<napster32> prova indicatore\n<pitzalone> provato... niente\n<napster32> che versione hai di ubuntu?\n<pitzalone> netbook remix 9.04\n<napster32> mi trovi impreparato allora, io ho la Natty 11.04\n<napster32> io invece ho il problema con alltray e teamviewer\n<napster32> nessuno sa aiutarmi?\n<napster32> daredevil tu conosci alltray?\n<DareDevil> no perchè?\n<napster32> ho bisogno di aiuto\n<DareDevil> e non ne so nulla\n<napster32> teamviewer con alltray nella versione 11.04 nn mi si riduce ad icona in traybar\n<DareDevil> azzo\n<DareDevil> ma stai sul classic oppure con tutto attivato?\n<napster32> conosci alternative per ridurre programmi nella trayicon?\n<DareDevil> prova con il classic\n<napster32> classic, x carità l'unity non son capace vederlo\n<napster32> troppo incasinato l'unity ^^\n<DareDevil> a nonostante questo ti rompe in questa maniera?\n<napster32> si\n<napster32> funziona con transmission - amule\n<napster32> ma con teamviewer niente\n<DareDevil> ma a cosa ti serve teamviewer?\n<napster32> governare il pc dal lavoro ^^\n<DareDevil> e questo alltray cos'è?\n<DareDevil> team viewer indipendentemente da alltry funziona?\n<napster32> un programma che ti spara l'applicazione nella traybar\n<napster32> si\n<DareDevil> e allora che ti frega?\n<DareDevil> usalo senza alltry\n<napster32> che appena avvio teamviewer è a tutto schermo e rompe\n<DareDevil> sì ma se lo usi in maniera indipendente non sminchia vero?\n<napster32> cioè?\n<DareDevil> senza alltry\n<napster32> senza alltray, alltray lo uso per ridurlo ad icona\n<napster32> a meno che non conosci alternative per ridurlo ad icona\n<DareDevil> tu vorresti ridurlo ad icona a distanza vero?\n<napster32> no ^^ allora teamviewer è come desktop remoto, solo più efficace\n<napster32> però quando lo avvii è su una finestra\n<napster32> io invece vorrei avviralo direttamente ridotto ad icona (background diciamo)\n<DareDevil> conosco teamviewer....\n<napster32> ecco, hai presente la finestra blu iniziale?\n<napster32> ecco, quella ridotta a icona quindi avere il desktop libero\n<DareDevil> senti io per quello che l'ho usato mi ricordo che comunque qualcuno dall'altra parte che lo avvia deve stare ammenocchè non lo metti in avvio automatico\n<DareDevil> vabbè al di là di questo\n<napster32> infatti, io avvio la macchina ubuntu con teamviewer all'avvio, fin qui ok\n<DareDevil> tu non vuoi che nel desktop remoto ti appaia quella finestrella blu\n<DareDevil> che si iconizzi\n<napster32> però vorrei la finestra ridotta, capito come?\n<napster32> esatto!\n<napster32> ho letto ad esempio che basta mettere &\n<napster32> alla fine del comando, ma nn funziona niente ^^\n<DareDevil> ma ti occupa molto spazio? su cosa lavori? grafica? che fastidio ti dà ?\n<napster32> niente, che se uno a casa apre il pc vedo tutto il desktop libero\n<DareDevil> io l'ho usato molto poco teamviewer, non so come aiutarti per questo particolare problema\n<napster32> fa niente... ma nn c'è nessun'altro qui?\n<DareDevil> io ho fatto na bellezza allucinante. ho installato gnomedesktop su kde e posso quindi scendere all'avvio o l'uno a l'altro desktop\n<Peace-> DareDevil: dipende dai punti di vista\n<Peace-> per me è un pastrocchio xD\n<DareDevil> Peace-: perchè? o entri in uno o entri nell'altro\n<Peace-> DareDevil: beh il menu è abbastanza abominevole\n<Peace-> doppie applicazioni per fare la stessa cosa\n<DareDevil> Peace-: le applicazioni sono diverse ma ineffetti fanno le stesse cose.\n<DareDevil> credo che tuttosommato possano convivere\n<Peace-> per me creano solo confusione\n<Peace-> cmq !chat\n<Dig> ho problemi con il wi-fi. ogni tanto mi si disconnete il pc e devo riavviare il laptop per riavere il segnale.\n<shadenzo> devo reist il sistema , oltre alla lista dei repo devo salvarmi un backup delle varie chiavi dei repo , come si fa ?\n<d4vey> shadenzo, hai poi risolto con nautilus?\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: Perchè devi reinstallare l'intero sistema?\n<shadenzo> Mattoer il sistema non si avivva piu neanche in console (causa mia cazzata ehm ) . Allora ho reistallato un dvd fatto con remastersys , ma il sistema ora non va bebne come prima (si blocca non risponde + il mouse ) ecc\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: Mi spieghi cosa hai fatto? Magari si può riparare\n<shadenzo> ecco\n<shadenzo> si è ripiantato ho dovuto riavviare\n<napster32> ripropongo la domanda di oggi: nessuno sa come avviare un'applicazione all'avvio ridotto in trayicon?\n<shadenzo> napster32 alltray\n<napster32> ok\n<MatteoR> napster32: C'è un programma che crea delle systray per tutte le app, ma non mi ricordo come si chiama\n<napster32> uso ubuntu 11.04\n<napster32> funziona con transmission, amule\n<napster32> provalo con teamviewer e dimmi se ti funziona\n<MatteoR> alltray\n<shadenzo> installi alltray e metti nele applicazioni di avvio il comando \"alltray applicazione\"\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: Che operazione hai fatto al tuo pc per non farlo avviare più?\n<napster32> esatto, ma su 11.04 con teamviewer: alltray teamviewer non si riduce neanke se gli spari, xkè???\n<napster32> avro provato migliaia di comandi, ma con teamviewer non ne vuole sapere\n<MatteoR> napster32: Perchè teamviewer funziona con wine\n<napster32> però se faccio partire teamviewer e poi con alltray lo riduco allora funziona\n<MatteoR> napster32: Non è un software linux nativo\n<napster32> ma l'ho scaricato dal sito teamviewer\n<napster32> è mi dice che c'è la versione linux\n<MatteoR> napster32: Sì, ma funziona con wine\n<napster32> e quindi?\n<napster32> non si può ridurre se sotto wine?\n<MatteoR> napster32: propongo questo: alltray wine \"path/di/teamviewer.exe\"\n<napster32> \"alltray wine /usr/bin/teamviewer\n<napster32> AllTray: Esecuzione del processo figlio \"wine\" non riuscita (File o directory non esistente)\"\n<napster32> wtf?\n<MatteoR> napster32: Uhm...\n<MatteoR> napster32: Aspetta\n<shadenzo> MatteoR, avevo installato console-tools : pessima idea\n<napster32> è da una settimana ke ci provo, ho anke formattato pensando ad un problema di installazione\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: Da quel momento non funziona?\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: Si può riparare\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: Quello di cui hai bisogno è una live di ubuntu\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: avvii in modalità live ubuntu\n<napster32> MatteoR: grazie per l'aiuto comunque, se ci riesci ti farò un monumento ^^\n<shadenzo> MatteoR, ma hai letto sopra ? non partiva piu : ho gia reinstallato con un dvd remastersys ma non funziona bene quest'installazione\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: devi avviare ubuntu da cd = ubuntu live\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: Non da hdd\n<shadenzo> MatteoR, e poi ?\n<shadenzo> si e poi ?\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: monti la tua partizione di linux\n<elpacio778> salve\n<shadenzo> continua\n<elpacio778> buongiorno\n<elpacio778> ciao\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: poi da termianle \"chroot path della root di linux su hdd (sarà /media/e qualcosa)\n<MatteoR> chroot/media/nome della cartella\n<shadenzo> si ti seguo MatteoR\n<shadenzo> continua\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: Scusa metti sudo prima\n<shadenzo> ok ok\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: poi sudo apt-get remove console-tools\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: exit\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: riavvia\n<shadenzo> MatteoR, quel pacchetto non c'è piu : ho gia reinstallato\n<napster32> MatteoR: poi ci sono io ^^\n<shadenzo> è la nuova installazione che mio da dei problemi capito ?\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: Ah scusa, ma pensavo che ce l'avevi ancora\n<shadenzo> no no\n<elpacio778> salve chi mi da alcune delucidazioni su alcuni problemi riscontrati con ubuntu\n<shadenzo> ho una installazione fatta da remastersys che si pianta e ha varie stranezze\n<shadenzo> quindi devo reinstallare\n<MatteoR> napster32: riesci a scoprire come fa a lanciare teamviewer il lanciatore da menù?\n<napster32> con il -d intendi?\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: Il dvd è difettoso\n<napster32> MatteoR: anzi no, trovato\n<shadenzo> puo essere in questi casi non è facile scoprire la causa\n<napster32> MatteoR: /opt/teamviewer/teamviewer/6/bin/teamviewer\n<shadenzo> con win va tutto quindi non è il pc\n<MatteoR> napster32: alltray /opt/teamviewer/teamviewer/6/bin/teamviewer\n<shadenzo> MatteoR, devo solo sapere come fare un backup delle chiavi dei repo per portarle sul nuovo sistema\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: Quando si pianta così senza motivo e quasi sicuramente il cd difettoso\n<napster32> MatteoR: niente lo apre, ma non lo riduce ad icona\n<shadenzo> ok MatteoR\n<MatteoR> ho dimenticato un accento per strada... ops\n<elpacio778> scusate il disturbo ma qualcuno potrebbe esser cosi gentile da rispondere devo installare ubuntu, in realtà in passato ho fatto qualche installazione ma ho avuto qualche problema nell usarlo\n<napster32> MatteoR: però come ti ho detto prima, se faccio partire teamviewer e poi con alltray lo riduco, funziona, xkè dannatamente su console no?\n<MatteoR> napster32: alltray \"teamviewer\" &\n<napster32> MatteoR: idem lo apre e basta\n<napster32> MatteoR: ti posto il debug che fa alltray in PM?\n<MatteoR> napster32: posta\n<MatteoR> napster32: adesso sono sicuro che ti verrà il nervoso. A me funziona\n<napster32> versione?\n<napster32> di ubuntu intendo\n<MatteoR> napster32: 11.04\n<MatteoR> napster32: mi funziona sia con ubuntu (che avevo provato tempo fa) sia con kubuntu\n<napster32> io uso ubuntu 11.04 il natty diciamo\n<napster32> che diavolo è allora?\n<MatteoR> napster32: Inoltre se cerco nei forum, quello è il comando da dare... non capisco\n<napster32> MatteoR: guarda pm\n<MatteoR> napster32: Scusami, ma adesso devo andare via (a lavorare)\n<napster32> MatteoR: spe\n<napster32> MatteoR: hai skype?\n<MatteoR> napster32: no.\n<napster32> MatteoR: qualcosa per rintracciarti?\n<MatteoR> napster32: cmq adesso devo proprio andare via. mi dispiace\n<elpacio778> chi mi da una mano\n<d4vey> elpacio778, quale è il problema?\n<elpacio778> avrei un paio di domande in quanto devo reinstallare ubuntu visto che in passato o avuto qualche problemuccio, in primo luogo vorrei sapere se mi conviene installare una 11 .04 o la 10.04 che alungo termine\n<d4vey> elpacio778, dipende anche un po' da te... e dal pc. E' particolarmente nuovo il pc?\n<elpacio778> e un dell inspiron 1300\n<silvano> salve a tutti\n<silvano> stò avendo dei problemi sul mio pc\n<silvano> qualcuno può aiutarmi per piacere?\n<silvano> o nn si può chiedere qui?\n<silvano> !help\n<ubot-it> http://help.ubuntu-it.org\n<bobbybong> !nessuno\n<ubot-it> se nessuno parla in canale non significa che non ci siano utenti attivi. Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno vorrà rispondervi lo farà \n<silvano> allora mi preparo\n<silvano> xD\n<silvano> grazie\n<silvano> ho appena acquistato un cpu già con linux preinstallato ( opensuse ) ho deciso di passarlo a ubuntu 11.04 solo che finita l'installazione con successo al riavvio si presenta uno schermo nero e nn parte più. se qualcuno può aiutarmi gliene sarò grato\n<bobbybong> la live funzionava?\n<silvano> si\n<silvano> ho controllato l'md5\n<bobbybong> grub si è installato?\n<silvano> gli ho fatto fare pure l'aggiornamento\n<bobbybong> silvano, all'avvio c'è grub?\n<silvano> nn sono molto pratico\n<silvano> che è?\n<silvano> :-(\n<bobbybong> !grub\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<silvano> stò arrangiando da un sistema operativo che parte dalla chiavetta\n<bobbybong> ok\n<silvano> grazie\n<silvano> bobby\n<silvano> mo controllo\n<silvano> ti faccio sapere\n<bobbybong> ok\n<bobbybong> leggi le wiki\n<silvano> ok\n<bobbybong> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<bobbybong> segui questa guida\n<silvano> asp un sec\n<silvano> che nn stò capendo quasi niente\n<silvano> :-d\n<silvano> :-D\n<bobbybong> sforza le meningi :)\n<silvano> stò facendo\n<bobbybong> apri una consolle e scrivi sudo fdisk - l\n<bobbybong> e metti nel paste\n<bobbybong> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<silvano> ma adesso nn ho avviato ubuntu\n<silvano> dal sistema\n<silvano> stò con la chiavetta\n<bobbybong> devi fare da live non sei con una chiavetta?\n<bobbybong> sopra cosa ci gira?\n<silvano> backbox\n<silvano> solo che nn so fare niente\n<bobbybong> sempre linux\n<silvano> quindi lo faccio\n<bobbybong> apri una consolle e scrivi sudo fdisk - l\n<bobbybong> apri una consolle e scrivi sudo fdisk -ll\n<silvano> ci stò\n<bobbybong> tutto quello devi farew è scritto nel wiki\n<silvano> è uscito dev\\sda1 ..2...3\n<bobbybong> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<silvano> http://paste.ubuntu.com/614555/\n<bobbybong> silvano devi copiare pari pari i comandi della pagina http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<bobbybong> la configurazione del pc dell'esempio è uguale al tuo\n<silvano> ok\n<silvano> grazie mo provo\n<bobbybong> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt\n<silvano> ti faccio sapere\n<silvano> lo devo ripristinare\n<silvano> come stà scritto là \n<silvano> uguale\n<bobbybong> te li scrivo in sequenza\n<bobbybong> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt\n<bobbybong> sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev\n<bobbybong> sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc\n<bobbybong> sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys\n<bobbybong> sudo chroot /mnt\n<bobbybong> grub-install /dev/sda\n<bobbybong> update-grub2\n<bobbybong> exit\n<silvano> grazie assai\n<bobbybong> cd ~\n<bobbybong> sudo umount /mnt/dev\n<bobbybong> sudo umount /mnt/proc\n<bobbybong> sudo umount /mnt/sys\n<bobbybong> sudo umount /mnt/\n<bobbybong> poi riavvii\n<silvano> ok poi però lo faccio avviare dal disco\n<bobbybong> dall hardik dall'installazione\n<bobbybong> di ubuntu\n<silvano> ok\n<silvano> bobby\n<silvano> qunado scrivo gli umount\n<silvano> mi dice not mounted\n<silvano> mi dice you are not root\n<DarkSun> devi essere root, è normale\n<DarkSun> quindi: o ti identifichi come root oppure usi sudo\n<silvano> :-D\n<silvano> io so rocco\n<silvano> xD\n<silvano> scusami\n<DarkSun> ma era una battuta?\n<silvano> si\n<silvano> bruttina\n<DarkSun> squallida! ma fa niente\n<silvano> come faccio adesso?\n<DarkSun> a fare cosa? se il problema è che non sei root ma rocco, devi usare sudo\n<bobbybong> silvano, lo hai installato grub?\n<silvano> ti copio\n<silvano> la cosa intera come a prima?\n<silvano> co paste\n<silvano> ?\n<bobbybong> ok\n<silvano> fatto\n<bobbybong> e il link?\n<silvano> http://paste.ubuntu.com/614562/\n<silvano> scus\n<bobbybong> silvano prova a riavviare se non funziona usa la live di ubuntu e riprova questa procedura\n<silvano> mo me li scrivo i comandi\n<silvano> in sequenza\n<silvano> grazie assai\n<silvano> assia\n<silvano> assai\n<bobbybong> ciao in bocca al lupo\n<silvano> crepi\n<silvano> xD\n<silvano> salve\n<silvano> bobby\n<silvano> niente\n<silvano> :-(\n<silvano> fatto tutto\n<silvano> ma nn si avvia\n<silvano> :-(\n<bobbybong> prova a rifarlo con una live di ubuntu\n<silvano> che da là l'ho fatta\n<silvano> :-(\n<silvano> dal dvd\n<bobbybong> avevi appena installato no? reinstalla\n<silvano> da capo?\n<silvano> e poi ripeto?\n<silvano> la procedura\n<silvano> subito?\n<bobbybong> no\n<silvano> installo\n<silvano> poi?\n<bobbybong> normalmente dopo installato ubuntu parte questa procedura e per ripristinare il boot\n<bobbybong> si vede che a te non è finita bene l'installazione\n<silvano> a me quando lo installo si riavvia\n<silvano> però parte una volta sola\n<silvano> dici che la scarico da capo?\n<silvano> da un altro cpu direttamente\n<silvano> controllo md5sum\n<silvano> e reinstallo\n<bobbybong> si\n<silvano> ok\n<silvano> mo provo\n<silvano> tantto\n<silvano> :-D\n<FloodBotIt1> silvano: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<MatteoR> silvano: Che problema hai?\n<silvano> mo te lo scrivo\n<silvano> allora io ho comprato un cpu con già linux installato (opensuse) solo che ho cambiato a ubuntu 11.04 dopo aver installato con successo al riavvio il cpu nn parte presentandomi eternamente uno schermo nero\n<DarkSun> cpu?\n<silvano> portatile\n<silvano> un hp\n<DarkSun> e cosa c'entra \"cpu\"?\n<DarkSun> che acronimo è, in questo caso?\n<silvano> notebook\n<silvano> serio\n<silvano> :-D\n<DarkSun> va be', ci rinuncio\n<MatteoR> silvano: Scheda video?\n<MatteoR> silvano: Hai provato una live? Funzionava?\n<silvano> vga shared\n<MatteoR> silvano: No marca e modello\n<silvano> la live funziona ho controllato l'md5sum\n<MatteoR> silvano: mi dici la marce il modello della scheda video?\n<silvano> asp che vedo\n<silvano> un sec\n<MatteoR> *marca\n<silvano> hp\n<silvano> ti scrivo la sigla completa\n<silvano> ?\n<MatteoR> silvano: non è hp, deve essere o ati o nvidia o intel\n<silvano> intel\n<silvano> pentium\n<silvano> inside\n<MatteoR> Quella è la cpu\n<MatteoR> sto parlando di scheda video\n<MatteoR> su tutti i pc c'è una scheda video\n<silvano> ci sarà scritto da qualche parte?\n<silvano> scusatemi l'ignoranza\n<MatteoR> silvano: sei su quel pc adesso?\n<silvano> dsi\n<silvano> si\n<silvano> però\n<picoz> Scusate ma dal modello di notebook si ricava la scheda video\n<silvano> stò su un sistema operativo che parte dalla chiavetta usb\n<MatteoR> silvano: và bene. dici il nome completo del tuo pc\n<silvano> hp nb 620 intel dual core t4500 15,6 2gb\n<Synaptic> Salve, avrei una domanda da porvi.. ho un pc con 2 hard disk.. su uno (dove attualmente sono) ho ubuntu KDE... sull'altro vorrei metterci win.. sò per certo che mettendo windows dopo aver già installto ubuntu mi farà sparire il grub.. in seguito dovrò ripristinare l'mbr dal disco di avvio.. ma poi come farò in modo di far riapparire il grub all'avvio?\n<picoz> dovrebbe essere Produttore Intel Modello GMA 4500MHD\n<MatteoR> silvano: Intel fornisce già i driver su linux, quindi potrebbe essere un cd difettoso\n<MatteoR> silvano: HAi fatto MD5SUM su quel cd?\n<silvano> sisi\n<silvano> corrispondeva tutto\n<silvano> cmq\n<silvano> mo lo riscarico\n<silvano> da un altro computer\n<silvano> e lo ricontrollo\n<silvano> faccio un altro dvd\n<silvano> e riprovo\n<MatteoR> silvano: Uhm... mi dici cosa vedi passo per passo sul tuo pc durante il boot?\n<silvano> allora compare il puntino che lampeggia in alto a sinistra\n<silvano> poi lampeggia\n<silvano> e diventa scuro\n<silvano> e ciao\n<silvano> xD\n<enzotib> Synaptic: non dovrai ripristinare l'MBR, dovrai ripristinare grub\n<Synaptic> enzotib, e grub non va ripristinato dopo aver resettato l'mbr?\n<MatteoR> silvano: ok prova questo. Avvialo im modalità ripristino. Riavvia il pc tieni premuto shift durante il boot e seleziona il kernel in modalità ripristino. segnati tutte le scritte che compaiono. Poi ci fai sapere\n<silvano> ok\n<silvano> mo provo\n<LXCC-Vincenzo> Ciao, domanda veloce, se in synaptic attivo una voce degli aggiornamenti (es. aggiornamenti proposti) e installo gli aggiornamenti, posso poi ritornare alla situazione iniziale in un secondo tempo?\n<Ab3L> ho lanciato un \"rm -R *\" in una cartella da ripulire. come posso vedere quello che sta ripulendo? è possibile?\n<LXCC-Vincenzo> Ab3L: apri nautilus\n<silvano> salve\n<MatteoR> silvano: fatto?\n<silvano> sisi\n<Ab3L> LXCC-Vincenzo: grazie. ho provato ma è un casino. allora penso che killo rm e lo rilancio con -v.\n<silvano> allora\n<silvano> [ 11.416730] phy0 (freccia) rt2800pci_mcu_status: error -mcu request failed no response from hardware\n<enzotib> Synaptic: appunto, ripristinare grub in genere non ha lo stesso significato di ripristinare l'MBR, tu dicevi di doverli fare entrambi\n<enzotib> LXCC-Vincenzo: gli aggiornamenti proposti non sono consigliabili\n<attempt> Synaptic hai letto in chat?\n<attempt> no non torni indietro.\n<silvano> che ne pensi matteo?\n<LXCC-Vincenzo> enzotib: si infatti, quindi per provarli l'unico metodo e' fare una installazione di prova su un'altra partiz.? O c'e' un metodo per congelare la situazione attuale per permettermi di fare le prove?\n<LXCC-Vincenzo> Ab3L: rm e' veloce , se mi dici che e' un casino, probabilmente c'e' un problema\n<MatteoR> silvano: penso che dovresti reinstallare il sistema, visto che la live funzionava\n<MatteoR> silvano: Probabilmente l'installazione è andata male.\n<MatteoR> silvano: Fai una installazione pulita\n<silvano> l'ho fatta tre volte\n<MatteoR> !installazione | silvano\n<ubot-it> silvano: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<enzotib> LXCC-Vincenzo: non è vero che non si può tornare indietro, se ti segni esattamente la versione attuale e la versione nuova dei paccehtti che installi, puoi sempre fare il downgrade\n<silvano> ok\n<silvano> mo riprovo\n<silvano> la scarico da capo\n<silvano> faccio un altro dvd per sicurezza\n<MatteoR> silvano: Non so cosa dirti\n<MatteoR> silvano: Ma si era fermato a quel messaggio di errore?\n<LXCC-Vincenzo> enzotib: cioe' devo segnarmi ciascun pacchetto che installa come aggiornamento?\n<silvano> sisi\n<enzotib> LXCC-Vincenzo: queste informazioni le puoi anche ricavare a posteriori dai log, ma è un po' più compila\n<enzotib> complicato*\n<attempt> salvati il log del terminale. c'e' scritto ogni pacchetto che versione e'. sia quello che viene sostituito sia quello nuovo.\n<MatteoR> silvano: Proviamo un'altra cosa\n<silvano> dimmi tutto\n<silvano> tanto\n<MatteoR> silvano: Aspetta che non mi ricordo i percorsi. un'attimo\n<silvano> sisi\n<silvano> fai\n<silvano> fai\n<FloodBotIt1> silvano: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<enzotib> !enter | silvano\n<ubot-it> silvano: non spezzettare una frase su piu' righe. Non utilizzare il ritorno a capo come punteggiatura.\n<MatteoR> silvano: Allora se su linux adesso su quel pc?\n<MatteoR> *sei\n<silvano> s\n<MatteoR> silvano: Ok. Sei con una live?\n<silvano> stò con un sistema sulla chiavetta\n<silvano> backbox\n<MatteoR> silvano: Ok. Una premessa: quando ti dico posta, metti tutto sul link che ti scrive ubot-it adesso e segui le sue istruzioni\n<MatteoR> !paste | silvano\n<ubot-it> silvano: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<silvano> che devo fare?\n<MatteoR> silvano: Allora da un terminale digita \"mount\" e posta\n<silvano> http://paste.ubuntu.com/614586/\n<MatteoR> silvano: Uhm... non è montata la partizione di ubuntu\n<MatteoR> silvano: riesci a montarla e ripostare mount?\n<silvano> che scrivo nel terminale?\n<MatteoR> silvano: prova mount /dev/sda1\n<MatteoR> e postami mount\n<silvano> http://paste.ubuntu.com/614587/\n<MatteoR> silvano: questo allora \"mount -t ext4 /dev/sda1 /mnt\" (senza virgolette)\n<silvano> http://paste.ubuntu.com/614591/\n<MatteoR> silvano: scusa. questo scrivi: \"sudo -t ext4 /dev/sda1 /mnt\" (senza virgolette)\n<MatteoR> silvano: correggo: \"sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda1 /mnt\" (senza virgolette)\n<MatteoR> silvano: E' da tanto che non uso la console alla vecchia maniera\n<silvano> http://paste.ubuntu.com/614592/\n<silvano> figurati\n<silvano> xD\n<MatteoR> silvano: Ok. è montata. Riesci a capire se stai usando gnome o kde?\n<MatteoR> silvano: o lxde o che altro\n<silvano> nn so\n<enzotib> MatteoR: ls /home/silvano/.kde, per esempio\n<silvano> come faccio a saperlo?\n<enzotib> o meglio /mnt/home/silvano/.kde\n<MatteoR> silvano vabbè dai questo: sudo chroot /mnt\n<silvano> se scrivo qualche comando esce?\n<MatteoR> silvano: prova a vedere se hai gedit, kate, o che altro\n<MatteoR> un editor di testo mi serve\n<silvano> http://paste.ubuntu.com/614594/\n<MatteoR> silvano: Ok\n<silvano> xfce\n<MatteoR> silvano: se scrivi gedit salta fuori qualcosa?\n<silvano> si\n<MatteoR> silvano: Un editor\n<silvano> pure un documento senza titolo\n<MatteoR> silvano: ok chiudilo\n<MatteoR> silvano: volevo vedere se funziona\n<silvano> fatto\n<peter__> salute a tutti ho un problema con il wireless di un portatile qualcuno può darmi una mano?\n<MatteoR> silvano: sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf\n<enzotib> peter__: spiega\n<peter__> veramente il problema è nell'installazione di madwifi :(\n<nanomad> peter__, ti hanno già risposto in #ubuntu mi sembra :)\n<nanomad> ma sentiamo pure\n<MatteoR> silvano: Compare un documento. Vai alla fine di questo documento (crea una nuova riga)\n<silvano> con invio creo una riga?\n<silvano> ok\n<MatteoR> silvano e scrivi (senza le virgolette) \"blacklist rt2800pci\" salva e riavvia.\n<enzotib> silvano: per curiosità , questi comandi li stai facendo dal terminale dove hai fatto chroot?\n<silvano> si\n<enzotib> strano, mi aspetterei che DISPLAY non è settata\n<MatteoR> enzotib: funziona lo stesso. Avevo provato questa operazione\n<silvano> allora riavvio\n<silvano> grazie tante\n<silvano> ti faccio saprere\n<enzotib> MatteoR: niente da dire, mi chiedo come mai, ma qualche volta proverò\n<MatteoR> enzotib: Anch'io me l'aspettavo sinceramente un errore del genere, ma mi sono accorto che funziona lo stesso\n<MatteoR> enzotib: avevo il live di ubuntu su kubuntu e potevo utilizzare kate\n<MatteoR> enzotib: con chroot\n<enzotib> MatteoR: sì, ho provato e va, evidentemente chroot eredita le variabili d'ambiente, anche se a mio parere non dovrebbe\n<MatteoR> enzotib: lo so è strano\n<Synaptic> ciao\n<Synaptic> !mbr\n<ubot-it> Per ripristinare MBR: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/RipristinoMbrWindows\n<Synaptic> ho un problemone\n<Synaptic> attualmente sono dalla live cd\n<Synaptic> ho installato win.. dopo aver installato ubuntu... e ora sto cercando di ripristinare l'mbr\n<Synaptic> root@ubuntu:~# sudo ms-sys -w /dev/sda1\n<Synaptic> Unable to automaticly select boot record for /dev/sda1\n<Synaptic> /dev/sda1 has an x86 boot sector,\n<Synaptic> it is an unknown boot record\n<FloodBotIt1> Synaptic: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<enzotib> Synaptic è proprio quello che ti avevo detto\n<Synaptic> eh ho capito\n<Synaptic> ma ho fatto come avevi detto tu\n<enzotib> Synaptic: *non* devi ripristinare l'MBR, devi ripristinare grub\n<Synaptic> ma dal bios non mi trova l'hd con ubuntu\n<enzotib> !grub\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<Synaptic> sono dovuto entrare in live cd\n<enzotib> Synaptic: eh, infatti il ripristino di grub dopo l'installazione di win si *deve* fare da live\n<Synaptic> sto seguendo la guida\n<enzotib> Synaptic: quale?\n<Synaptic> fatto\n<Synaptic> ho risolto\n<Synaptic> installato e updatato grub secondo la guida di ripristino grub che mi hai linkato\n<Synaptic> ha finito senza errori\n<enzotib> prima di cantare vittoria, riavvia e prova\n<Synaptic> si ora provo\n<D1G1U> ciao a tutti\n<Synaptic> enzotib, l'ho riattaccato a caldo, sennò non potevo entrare sulla kubuntu\n<enzotib> Synaptic: hai due dischi, giusto?\n<Synaptic> si... sdb con linux e sda con win\n<enzotib> Synaptic: sudo fdisk -l, su pastebin\n<Synaptic> vedo solo quello di linux con quel comando.. perchè l'hard disk di win è smontato.. l'ho riattaccato a caldo siccome\n<Synaptic> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Synaptic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/614618/\n<Synaptic> ora non capisco perche l'hd di linux me lo da come SDA... mentre quando ero da livecd lo vedeva come sdb\n<enzotib> Synaptic: i nomi non sono indicativi, solo gli UUID non cambiano (quasi) mai\n<Synaptic> ok\n<enzotib> Synaptic: la cosa più semplice che puoi fare è impostare il disco con kubuntu come disco di boot nel bios, e probabilmente funziona senza fare altro\n<Synaptic> l'ho impostato... ma avvia quello di windows ugualmente\n<Synaptic> non mi dà 2 scelte\n<Synaptic> quando sono attaccati entrambi dal bios nelle priorità visualizzo solo quello con win\n<enzotib> Synaptic: ok, allora parti da livecd\n<MatteoR> ciao D1G1U\n<Synaptic> partendo da livecd poi che devo fare?\n<enzotib> Synaptic: vieni qui e vediamo\n<Synaptic> di solito ripristinando l'mbr e reinstallando grub una volta risolvevo...\n<Synaptic> cmq arrivo da live\n<Mauro> test\n<luigi> vorrei installare il repository universe. chi mi spiega per favore?\n<enzotib> luigi: è già abilitato di default, che io sappia\n<shouldes> luigi: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Repository/SourcesList\n<luigi> shouldes, io sono qui http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmbienteGrafico/MenuApplicazioniInstallate per debian. ma nn riesco a vedere la voce menu\n<luigi> ho installato il file di visualizzazione di debian. e li vedo tutti i pacchetti..\n<luigi> shouldes, e in gestori pacchetti ubuntu ho 1 di ubuntu 2 di canonical 3 da acquistare\n<shouldes> luigi: non riesco a capire le domande\n<luigi> scusa ma io nn riesco a capire esempi di buon file nella pag. che mi hai linkato cosa devo FARE?\n<shouldes> luigi: eliminando tutto il contenuto del tuo sources.list, e mettendo al suo posto le righe consigliate dal wiki, hai un buon sources.list con tutte le componenti attive\n<shouldes> luigi: quando hai modificato, salvato, chiuso, dai un sudo apt-get update\n<luigi> e shouldes mi va bene per debian.? io nn so cosa troverò . spero di avere una \"scatola\" con tutte le applicazioni. dalle cose che ho letto sembra che debian vada bene\n<shouldes> luigi: i repository di ubuntu non vanno assolutamente bene per Debian, per quello ci sono i wiki di Debian e il supporto Debian\n<luigi> shouldes, provo a fare , se ho capito, quello che mi dici intanto grazie...\n<luigi> shouldes, scusa quindi in \"file di visualizzazione di pacchetti debian nn ho TUTTI I pacchetti\n<luigi> shouldes, ho fatto come mi hai detto e sta macinando\n<shouldes> luigi: se hai messo i repository di Ubuntu su Debian, puoi solo far casini\n<shouldes> luigi: Debian non ha repository che si chiamano universe\n<luigi> shouldes, no nn ho fatto partire nulla da debian sono rimsto impressionato da questo \"La notizia eccellente è che è possibile installare questo menù Debian in Ubuntu ed usarlo! \"\n<luigi> shouldes, preso da qui.http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmbienteGrafico/MenuApplicazioniInstallate\n<shouldes> luigi, se stai usando ubuntu, hai fatto il passaggio precedente nel sources.list, ora devi solo dare questo comando\n<shouldes> sudo apt-get install menu\n<shouldes> e ha fatto ciò che la guida chiede (non serve a nulla, se non hai applicazioni che partono con su-to-root, ora come ora)\n<shouldes> *e hai fatto\n<luigi> shouldes, ho dato il comando che mi hai suggerito ma ..E: Impossibile impostare il blocco /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Risorsa temporaneamente non disponibile)\n<shouldes> luigi: chiudi synaptic oppure installa menu da synaptic\n<shouldes> luigi: synaptic è il gestore pacchetti\n<luigi> shouldes, grazie ha fatto. almeno so che devo chiudere..\n<shouldes> luigi: la traduzione italiana di ubuntu è una schifezza, per questo bisogna specificare cosa sono le cose\n<luigi> shouldes, ho capito che lascio da parte debian per ora.... se posso..le icone unity che da tutorial devono sganciarsi e poter essere riposizionate nn si schiodano\n<shouldes> luigi: non uso ubuntu 11.04, quindi per unity non saprei, per quanto riguarda, l'altra domanda, basta che dai sudo update-menus e hai fatto tutto quello che chiede il wiki, ti manca solo questo passaggio\n<shouldes> luigi: anche se non ho capito che devi fare con quella guida inutile\n<luigi> shouldes, capire.. ma sono TROOOPPO indietro e sono ormai anche vecchio pero.....\n<luigi> shouldes, ah se hai un consiglio per uno di buona volontà linkami la guida mihliore per imbranati volenterosi che sanno 3 parole d'inglese e spesso le confondono\n<mrpc> ciao, vorrei far funzionare la cam del portatile, questa ID 046d:0896 Logitech, Inc. OrbiCam\n<shouldes> luigi: una guida, ma per far cosa? per unity?\n<steph7> mrpc, dovrebbe essere supportata da gspca\n<mrpc> steph7, infatti, ho provato a scaricare e compilare i drive ma già al make mi da degli errori\n<steph7> tipo?\n<mrpc> riguardo asp\n<mrpc> steph7, tipo questo http://paste.ubuntu.com/614648/\n<shouldes> mrpc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/732243\n<ubot-it> Launchpad bug 732243 in linux \"Acer Logitech, Inc. Orbicam fails to start working.\" [Undecided,Confirmed]\n<elpacio78> salve\n<steph7> appunto...\n<mrpc> steph7, ah, quindi non si può fare?\n<elpacio78> chiedo gentilmente una aiuto per rimuovere plymouth da 10.04 cosi da vedere nel boot i messaggi di avvio tetuali\n<shouldes> elpacio78: sudo nano /etc/default/grub\n<elpacio78> e velocizzare il boot possibilmente\n<steph7> mrpc, che ubuntu hai? che kernel?\n<shouldes> elpacio78: togli la parola splash, salva e chiudi\n<shouldes> elpacio78: sudo update-grub\n<shouldes> elpacio78: finito\n<mrpc> steph7, 2.6.38-8-generic natty\n<elpacio78> ok provo\n<elpacio78> scusa come faccio a salvare il grub\n<elpacio78> me lo aperto nel teminale\n<shouldes> elpacio78: c'è scritto sotto, ctrl+o\n<mrpc> elpacio78, devi aprirlo con privilegi di root per modificarlo\n<elpacio78> ok scusa\n<shouldes> mrpc: gli ho postato il comando con sudo, quindi ok\n<mrpc> shouldes, si si scusa mi era sfuggito\n<elpacio78> ok fatto provo a ravviare e faccio sapere\n<elpacio78> grazie\n<shouldes> elpacio78: non velocizzi nulla :9\n<luigi> ciao grazie a dopo ...è una minaccia\n<elpacio78> dici no perche io all'avvio o un cursore nero lampeggiante per piu di 10 secondi\n<elpacio78> mentre provai ad installare la 7.04 e non c'era nessun curosre nero\n<elpacio78> solo che la 7.04 non e piu supportata\n<steph7> mrpc, prova con camorama, ma se c'è un bug come ti ha detto shouldes, devono risolvere...\n<mrpc> steph7, ci avevo già provato purtroppo\n<elpacio78> come tolgo il cursore nero lampeggiante mentre quando avvio da usb con chiavetta il cursore non c'e\n<elpacio78> quindi credo sia un bug\n<steph7> mrpc, pare essere un bug comune a più distro, redhat, opensuse, ecc...\n<monica_> ciao a tutti\n<elpacio78> graziie perfetto ora ho i servizi all avvio\n<elpacio78> il testo dei servizi\n<elpacio78> per e vero non si velocizza nulla\n<elpacio78> quindi per velocizzare l'avvio cosa posso fare\n<mrpc> steph7, che bello, speriamo bene allora\n<monica_> ho una cartella sulla scrivania devo eseguire il comando riguardo linstallazione dal pacchetto scaricato in questa pagina http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FuocoTools ,,,una volta eseguito mi esce file o directory non esistente...come faccio?\n<madadam1> ragazzi in seguito all'installazione di windows su una partizione separata sto cercando di ripristinare grub seguendo questa guida http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino, ma quando digito \"grub-install /dev/sda\" ho il seguente errore \"/usr/sbin/grub-probe: errore: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?)\"\n<enzotib> monica_: quella è una cosa di Peace-, che ora non c'è, chiedi a lui quando entra. Ma secondo me è una cosa vecchia\n<monica_> in che senso vecchia che fuoco tools e un casino da installare ora???\n<shouldes> elpacio78: è lento? perché per velocizzare puoi solamente togliere servizi utili, tipo il server di stampa, ma velocizzi quasi nulla, togliendo un sacco di roba che può tornare utile\n<elpacio78> ok grazie\n<elpacio78> provo qalche guida per togliere servizi\n<enzotib> monica_: non hai letto l'avviso a inizio pagina?\n<monica_> capito...perke mi serviva un convertitore dpg e non so da dove toglierlo fuori......\n<mrpc> ok ciao per ora e grazie comunque\n<cisco> salve a tutti\n<monica_> enzotib....scusami una cosa come il percoso di una cartella presente in scrivania???scusami anche se e una domanda stupida\n<cisco> ho un problema ad attivare gli effetti grafici avanzati di ubuntu 11.04\n<enzotib> monica_: ~/Scrivania/nomefile\n<cisco> nella versione precedente bastava andare sotto aspetto e lì trovavo le opzioni invece ora nada -.-\n<enzotib> cisco: devi installare compizconfig-settings-manager, e da lì puoi impostare quello che vuoi\n<cisco> enzotib: hai presente quello che intendo ? mentre sposti una finestra si vede l'effetto grafico carino :)\n<enzotib> cisco: qualcunque cosa tu voglia modificare di compiz, devi installare quel pacchetto\n<cisco> e lo trovo in qualche repository?\n<enzotib> cisco: in Software Center, oppure in Synaptic (Gestore Pacchetti) oppure da terminale con apt-get\n<cisco> ok tnx ;)\n<cisco> domanda stupida, ho scaricato compiz, ma da dove lo lancio?\n<enzotib> cisco: dal menu di sistema, in alto a destra, segli impostazioni di sistema, poi trovi compiz\n<DarkSun> controlla prima se hai il 3d abilitato, altrimenti è inutile e perdi ulteriore tempo\n<cisco> mmm sotto sistema ho : preferenze, amministrazione\n<cisco> con il 10.04 andava da Dio...\n<enzotib> cisco: che versione di ubuntu hai?\n<cisco> 11.04\n<enzotib> cisco: e hai unity?\n<cisco> ehm cosa sarebbe?\n<DarkSun> LOL\n<cisco> lol mica tanto\n<enzotib> cisco: hai la barra a scomparsa sulla sinistra?\n<cisco> sono alle prime armi :)\n<cisco> no, ho avviato ubuntu classico da login\n<enzotib> cisco: ALt-F2 e scrivi gnome-control-center\n<cisco> fatto\n<enzotib> cisco: e ora cerca compiz tra le varie icone\n<cisco> si ho selezionato\n<enzotib> e ora film, a poi\n<cisco> ok ora in teoria dovrebbe attivare gli effetti?\n<biedo> itelia\n<biedo> io sono italiano\n<biedo> scusa\n<biedo> mi puoi aiutare\n<andrea_> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<toto23> buonasera\n<toto23> ci sono operatori?\n<toto23> sera jester\n<toto23> ho installato da capo xubuntu ma il problema resta va in crash firefox\n<toto23> e non solo qualsiasi browser che uso\n<toto23> qualcuno puo' aiutarmi?\n<DarkSun> lancialo da terminale e dicci cosa dice\n<toto23> dark ti posto\n<toto23> http://paste.ubuntu.com/614685/\n<DarkSun> non dice granché\n<toto23> dark potrebbe essere l'adattatore wifi?\n<toto23> e' un po' vecchiotto\n<DarkSun> non credo. crasha per un bug interno al software o roba simile\n<DarkSun> non c'entra niente l'adattatore wifi\n<toto23> ho reinstallato tutto da capo il problema lo tenevo gia' prima\n<toto23> il bello che non lo fa sempre\n<MatteoR> toto23: Avvia firefox da terminale e posta l'errore che compare dopo il crash\n<DarkSun> be', è strano. ma con qualsiasi browser?\n<toto23> si addirittura il crome a volte non si apre nemmeno\n<toto23> matteo come faccio ad aviiare da terminale?\n<DarkSun> scrivendo firefox\n<MatteoR> toto23: Da terminale digita \"firefox\" senza virgolette\n<toto23> adesso l'ha aperto tranquillamente\n<toto23> ripeto non lo fa sempre\n<MatteoR> toto23: Se lo avvii con il lanciatore dà problemi?\n<toto23> matteo se vado in questa pagina me lo fa aspet\n<toto23> http://www.cariparma.it/jsp/it/dovesiamo/index.jsp\n<toto23> quando clicco ricerca citta\n<shadenzo> ciao\n<toto23> matteo non ci capisco nulla cmq da terminale si apre\n<shadenzo> ho reinstalato 10.04 sul portatile ma non mi carica il driver nvidia (geforce 8400gs ) prima mi funzionava ...\n<MatteoR> toto23: Uhm... a me funziona\n<shadenzo> l'altra volta avevo fatto tutto con l'installatore automatico senza problemi\n<shadenzo> sul web non trovo granchè\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: Hai provato a vedere con \"driver aggiuntivi\"?\n<toto23> matteo ok ti posto l'errore\n<MatteoR> toto23: E' crashato?\n<toto23> http://paste.ubuntu.com/614688/\n<toto23> si si\n<shadenzo> \"Driver Hardware\" MatteoR ?\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: Si\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: Scusa :-)\n<MatteoR> toto23: Le gtk funzionano male...\n<shadenzo> si mi dice che il driver è installato e attivo ma all avvio non lo carica ,\n<toto23> quindi?\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: Come fai a dirlo?\n<shadenzo> lo dice lui esplicitamnete con un mesaggio\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: Puoi scrivere il messaggio esatto che ti dice?\n<toto23> matteo quindi che posso fare?\n<MatteoR> toto23: Passa ad un altro ambiente grafico, xfce non và molto bene. O gnome o kde ti consiglio\n<shadenzo> MatteoR, caricamento del driiver \"nvidia\" fallito una cosa del genere\n<toto23> ma e' dovuto all'hardware?\n<MatteoR> toto23: No, a dei bug in alcune librerie (problema software)\n<toto23> ok ora provo\n<MatteoR> !gnome\n<ubot-it> gnome is Desktop Environment predefinito di Ubuntu. ( http://www.gnome.org/ ) - Guida: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmbienteGrafico/Gnome\n<MatteoR> !kde\n<ubot-it> kde is Ambiente grafico predefinito di Kubuntu. ( http://www.kde.org/ ) - Guida: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmbienteGrafico/Kde\n<FloodBotIt1> ubot-it: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<ubot-it> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)\n<MatteoR> Ora i bot litigano. FICO!!!\n<toto23> matteo come faccio a passare a kde?\n<MatteoR> !gnome | toto23\n<ubot-it> toto23: gnome is Desktop Environment predefinito di Ubuntu. ( http://www.gnome.org/ ) - Guida: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmbienteGrafico/Gnome\n<MatteoR> !kde | toto23\n<ubot-it> toto23: kde is Ambiente grafico predefinito di Kubuntu. ( http://www.kde.org/ ) - Guida: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmbienteGrafico/Kde\n<MatteoR> ci sono le guide\n<toto23> grazie\n<toto23> matteo faccio ambiente semplice o completo?\n<toto23> cosa mi consigli?\n<MatteoR> toto23: completo. Cosa hai scelto, per curiosità ?\n<toto23> minima\n<MatteoR> toto23: Sì, ma hai scelto kde o gnome?\n<toto23> kde\n<attempt> 7+\n<MatteoR> toto23: Come me\n<toto23> minima o completo\n<toto23> che tipo d installazione?\n<MatteoR> toto23: Io ho la versione completa?\n<MatteoR> toto23: te la consiglio\n<toto23> ok\n<toto23> ci provo\n<MatteoR> toto23: Oppure ti scarichi la iso di kubuntu e fai una bella installazione pulita, poi puoi installarti firefox\n<MatteoR> !kubuntu\n<ubot-it> Kubuntu: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ | Guida a Kubuntu: http://kubuntuguide.org/Lucid\n<MatteoR> toto23: Perchè c'è da lavorarci sennò\n<toto23> in che senso?\n<MatteoR> toto23: Potrestia avere qualche conflitto. Ti consiglio di scaricarti la iso e farti una installazione pulita\n<toto23> ok\n<shadenzo> attempt ehm sulla 10.04 dopo una reinstallazione non mi carica il driver nvidia (geforce 8400gs) se puoi mi dai 2 dritte ? non ho trovato niente sul wiki e sui forum\n<fester-> Ciao. Come si fa a capire se una scheda DVB e' installata ?\n<fester-> sotto /dev/dvb non esiste niente\n<bobbybong> dmesg |grep DVB\n<fester-> E' vuoto\n<attempt> in synaptic togli tutto quel che riguarda nvidia\n<bobbybong> non è installata\n<attempt> anche sudo aptitude purge nvidia*\n<fester-> bobbybong: questa maledetta pctv 340 SE non ne vuole, ho seguito una guida e' andato tutto ok .........\n<shadenzo> ah dici con me attempt ok ora vado\n<attempt> parti con i vesa da modalita' kernel recovery e lo riavvii.\n<bobbybong> fester-, usb o pci?\n<attempt> poi vai in driver hardware e gli fai installare i driver che consiglia lui. dovrebbero essere i current\n<fester-> bobbybong: USB\n<attempt> quindi riavvii.\n<attempt> se dice che il driver e' installato ma non in uso dopo il riavvio apri un terminale e dai il comando sudo nvidia-xconfig\n<fester-> ho seguito questa guida : http://linuxforums.org.uk/linux-tips-tricks/pinnacle-hybrid-tv-tuner-pctv-330e-in-ubuntu-10-10-maverick/\n<attempt> shadenzo prima di riavviare con il kernel recovery rinomina xorg pero'.\n<bobbybong> fester-, io ho una Pinnacle PCTV 73e SE)\n<bobbybong> e funziona con kaffeine\n<attempt> elimini i vecchi driver e poi rinomini xorg. poi vai avanti shadenzo.\n<fester-> bobbybong: e' tra quelle menzionate per andare su ubuntu? o e' pure ostica\n<shadenzo> ok attempt\n<bobbybong> fester-, funziona su ubuntu\n<bobbybong> fester-, che avevo prima sempre pinnacle era più ostica ma funzionava\n<shadenzo> riavvio\n<fester-> bobbybong: se e' il caso ne compro una compatibile. Però vorrei che funzionasse VLC, kaffeine non i piace tante\n<bobbybong> fester-, questa costa poco non ha telecomando ne storage\n<fester-> ok, grazie mille\n<bobbybong> fester-, non so come puoi a selezionare i canali con vlc io uso kaffeine perché ho kubuntu\n<fester-> bobbybong: bisogna usare w-scan\n<bobbybong> fai fare un file di testo e lo passi a vlc?\n<shadenzo> attempt ora \"Driver Hardware\" mi segnala che non ci sono driver proprietari installati , ho fatto partire una sessione grafica di emergenza , e ha caricato i nouvea (lo vedo con lsmod)\n<shadenzo> *nouveau\n<attempt> si ma non ti propone dei driver proprietari?\n<attempt> da attivare dico.\n<shadenzo> no la finestra Driver Harware è bianca e dice solo che non ci sono driver pro installati\n<shadenzo> non mi propone nessun driver\n<attempt> shadenzo vedi con synaptic se hai il pacchetto jockey installato\n<shadenzo> ok\n<attempt> poi siccome non ricordo il nome preciso del pacchetto guardi fra i pacchetti nvidia. ce n'e' uno che dice che permette di scegliere il driver da installare fra i tanti di nvidia.\n<shadenzo> pare di si jockey-gtk e jockey-common sono installati\n<shadenzo> ah ok\n<shadenzo> allora quello non lodovevo togliere ...\n<fester-> bobbybong: si\n<attempt> dovrebbe essere facile da individuare\n<attempt> fornisce le informazioni a jockey sui driver di nvidia.\n<shadenzo> si sembra sia nvidia-common che installa anche vari nvidia-modaliases per individuare\n<attempt> esatto si.\n<shadenzo> la modalita grafica\n<shadenzo> ok ora riprovo Driver Harware\n<aTSo-> salve\n<shadenzo> ecco attempt ora me li propone con uno raccomandato\n<attempt> e' il current?\n<MatteoR> aTSo-: ciao\n<shadenzo> si\n<attempt> attivalo\n<shadenzo> oki\n<aTSo-> ciao, avrei un problema\n<aTSo-> :)\n<attempt> vedrai che scarica e attiva il driver. poi riavvia. se dopo riavviato normalmente parti con i nouveau e dice che non e' attivato dai un comando in terminale\n<shadenzo> nvidia-xconfig\n<shadenzo> ?\n<attempt> potrebbe dre installato ma non in uso. si il comando e' quello. dallo con sudo.\n<shadenzo> ok\n<attempt> infine controlla che abbia installato anche invidia-settings.\n<attempt> il pannello di controllo della scheda grafica.\n<shadenzo> ok ora riavvio\n<attempt> se vuoi aggiustarti le opzioni lo fai usando quello ma avviandolo da terminale sudo nvidia-settings. cosi' poi le impostazioni nuove le puoi salvare.\n<attempt> aTSo- esponi\n<attempt> !qualcuno\n<ubot-it> la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<aTSo-> oh grazie\n<aTSo-> non mi funzina più ubuntu classico\n<aTSo-> con 11.04\n<aTSo-> si avvia solo unity\n<attempt> prova a resettare gnome. le istruzioni al link qui sotto.\n<attempt> !gnomereset\n<ubot-it> Per resettare gnome alle sue impostazioni di default rinominare le cartelle nascoste nella propria home .gnome2 .config .gconf .gconfd .gnome2_private e riavviare la sessione\n<aTSo-> ecco\n<aTSo-> scusa ma come faccio a trovarle in home?\n<attempt> aprendo una cartella qualsiasi ti si apre nautilus che e' il filemanager.\n<aTSo-> si\n<attempt> vai a visualizza. spunti file nascosti\n<aTSo-> ah ok\n<aTSo-> mi mancava questo passaggio\n<aTSo-> e da lì le posso rinominare\n<aTSo-> ?\n<attempt> si come una cartella qualsiasi. nella home non hai bisogno di usare il terminale per essere amministratore.\n<aTSo-> ok\n<aTSo-> grazie :)\n<attempt> rinominale tipo .gnome2.bak etc etc\n<MatteoR> shadenzo: Risolto?\n<shadenzo> attempt niente midice \"failed to load nvidia kernel module\"\n<shadenzo> tutto come prima\n<attempt> sudo modprobe nvidia\n<shadenzo> in xorg.conf c'è un modulo \"glx\"\n<shadenzo> ok\n<shadenzo> aspe\n<aTSo-> mi chiedevo...\n<shadenzo> Fatal module nvidia not found\n<aTSo-> nel file manager non ci sono cartelle che abbiano a che fare con i pannelli... potrei creare nuove cartelle e rinominarle .gnome2.bak .config.bak etc?\n<attempt> shadenzo. apri sinaptic e controlla che risultino installati gli headers del current, il driver del current, nvidia-common nvidia-glx\n<shadenzo> acc anche gli headers non lo sapevo ...\n<shadenzo> ora vedo\n<attempt> anche nvidia-kernel-common, eventualmente anche nvidia-kernel-source sempre della stessa versione current.\n<shadenzo> nvidia-current-dev ?\n<attempt> no i dev nessuno\n<shadenzo> forse ho trovato il prob : nvidia-glx-current non c'è proprio e neanche nvidia-current-kernel-source\n<shadenzo> ho lanciato un sudo apt-get update poi ricontrollo\n<attempt> no\n<attempt> nvidia-glx non ha versione current\n<attempt> e il kernel-source di norma non serve e forse su ubuntu non c'e' proprio.\n<shadenzo> ah\n<shadenzo> mancava solo nvidia-kernel-common\n<shadenzo> l'ho installato\n<attempt> sudo modprobe nvidia\n<shadenzo> giaq fatto non lo trova e neanche glx\n<shadenzo> dice \"Fatal module xxxxx not found\"\n<attempt> si ma riavvia\n<shadenzo> ah devo riaviare prima ok\n<shadenzo> stessa cosa attempt\n<attempt> ok. io devo andare a nanna. mi dispiace.\n<shadenzo> grazie mille per l'aiuto\n<shadenzo> ciao notte\n<attempt> chiedi a jester quando c'e'.\n<shadenzo> oki\n<attempt> notte\n<shadenzo> bye\n<gigirock> non riesco ad aggiornare i driver nvidia con una 1004 e kenel 33\n<gigirock> anche se tento di rimuovere i driver proprietari ho un errore\n<gigirock> cia roxdragon entri ed esci a capocchia ?\n<roxdragon> we\n<miki> ragazzi ho bisogno di una mano, ho installato chromium su ubuntu 11 ma non riesco ad importare i preferiti da firefox, ho il file html ma quando vado ad importarli in chromium non me lo legge, come faccio?\n<esulu> salve a tutti\n<esulu> ho un problema con sudo apt-get update\n<esulu> mi da il seguente errore e non capisco come mai mi potete dare un consiglio please\n<esulu> Recuperati 1720 kB in 3min 47s (7575 B/s)\n<esulu> W: Impossibile recuperare http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/Release.gpg Si è verificato qualcosa di anormale nella risoluzione di \"extras.ubuntu.com:http\" (-5 - Nessun indirizzo associato al nome host)\n<esulu> E: Impossibile scaricare alcuni file di indice: saranno ignorati o verranno usati quelli vecchi.\n<FloodBotIt1> esulu: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n#ubuntu-it 2012-05-21\n<naxil2> grazie di tutto\n<Best`> buondì!\n<Odo> Giorno\n<grabbi> hi\n<grabbi> where can i found if my PC is good to install ubuntu 12.04 on it?\n<enzotib> !english | grabbi\n<ubot-it> grabbi: Please join the international channel #ubuntu if you want to speak english. Here only italian language is permitted. Thank you\n<grabbi> dove posso vedere se le specifiche del mio pc sono compatibili con ubuntu 12.04?\n<glpiana> ola\n<doubler7> enzotib, come mai ubuntu occupa 61.6 GB? eppure è più piccolo di windows come sistema...\n<OverMe> doubler7, ubuntu non occupa 61 GB, avrai 55GB di dati\n<doubler7> OverMe, ho scartato già le cartelle dei dati dal conteggio dei giga\n<doubler7> OverMe, pardon errore mio\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<cricido> ciao\n<cricido> ragazzi\n<cricido> ieri ho spento il pc e questa mattina non si avvia piu ubuntu busy box\n<cricido> mi date unam mano\n<jester-> cricido: avvia in modalità recovery, fai update e upgrade di apt\n<jester-> cricido: hai messo qualche ppa per caso?\n<cricido> non cva\n<cricido> mi scrive tipo inframets\n<cricido> orqa certco la dicitura\n<glpiana> !grub | cricido ripristina grub\n<ubot-it> cricido ripristina grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<cricido> ma mi è gia successo\n<cricido> si ma mi piacerebbe capire\n<cricido> perche lo fa spesso\n<cricido> glpiana comunque se ripristino il grup riparte e non perdo niente vero?\n<glpiana> cricido, se ripristino grub correttamente dovrebbe partire e non perdi niente. se sbagli a dare i comandi può succedere di tutto\n<cricido> glpiana ma serve il cd di instllazione\n<cricido> ?\n<glpiana> cricido, o il cd o una installazione presente sullo stesso pc che si avvii\n<MarcoFe> ciao ragazzi\n<MarcoFe> conoscete mica un programma per ubuntu per gestire le proprie attivita'?\n<MarcoFe> grazie\n<filo1234> MarcoFe: attività illecite o cosa?\n<cricido> perche il mio portatile non ha cd rom\n<cricido> e è un po un problema\n<cricido> c'è installato ubuntu appunto che non funziona piu\n<MarcoFe> filo1234: XD no no attivita' del tipo \"fare questo bla bla\"\n<cricido> ma i comandi dovrebbero andare\n<cricido> nno?\n<MarcoFe> filo1234: usavo un programma prima ma non ricordo qual'era! :)\n<filo1234> MarcoFe: cioà un'agenda?\n<MarcoFe> diciamo di si\n<MarcoFe> filo1234:\n<glpiana> cricido, fa boot da usb?\n<filo1234> MarcoFe: osmo?\n<MarcoFe> uhmm filo1234 ora lo provo :) grazie\n<cricido> si si\n<filo1234> MarcoFe: c'è anche rednotebook\n<glpiana> cricido, e fallo da usb. non cambia nulla\n<cricido> si si\n<cricido> devo creare la penna\n<cricido> e ora ho solo win7 che si avvia\n<cricido> avevo gia provato ma non mi faceva la chiavetta bene\n<cricido> e non bottava\n<glpiana> cricido, http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/\n<cricido> pero era appena uscito il 12.04\n<cricido> ok\n<MarcoFe> filo1234: molto piu'carino\n<MarcoFe> grazie tante filo1234 :)\n<filo1234> prego\n<cricido> avevo gia provato\n<cricido> ma poi mi da errore\n<cricido> nel bootare\n<glpiana> cricido, nell'avviarsi?\n<cricido> si\n<cricido> da errore\n<cricido> dicendo che non è bootabile\n<cricido> provai con 12.04\n<jester-> cricido: falla in winzoz cole suo tool http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows\n<glpiana> cricido, rifalla\n<cricido> rifaccio\n<cricido> poi in pratica se parte\n<cricido> devo ripristinare\n<gian_> ciao ho installato iTunes mediante wine, siccome non funzionava bene, ho rimosso Itunes con disinstalla progr. di wine e poi disinstallato wine. Mi ritrovo in programmi ancora Itunes, come faccio a rimuoverlo completamente?\n<glpiana> gian_, che interfaccia usi?\n<gian_> ho usato wine da ubuntu softw center\n<glpiana> gian_, no, intendo se usi gnome gnome classic unity kde lxde xfce fluxbox blackbox o altro ancora\n<gian_> ubuntu 12.04\n<gian_> unity\n<doubler7> glpiana, vorrei creare un lanciatore sulla scrivania per smontare l'hard disk ntfs\n<doubler7> glpiana, quel comando... sudo unmount...\n<glpiana> doubler7, non ha senso. fai visualizzare i dischi sulla scrivania e poi ci clicchi col destro e lo smonti\n<glpiana> gian_, e dove lo vedi sto programma? nella dash?\n<gian_> si\n<gian_> naturalmente se clicco non succede nulla\n<doubler7> glpiana, ci sono problemi con la romozione sicura....ecco perchè voglio crearlo...\n<filo1234> doubler7: che tipo di problemi?\n<doubler7> glpiana, a causa di un errore dovuto all'alimentazione esterna...\n<filo1234> doubler7: mi pare di averti gia detto che era quasi \"normale\"\n<filo1234> e che il disco veniva comunque smontato correttamente\n<doubler7> filo1234, vorrei creare questo lanciatore ...per comodità ....grazie\n<jester-> doubler7: farlo da nautilus è troppo semplice?\n<glpiana> gian_, puoi provare a resettare zeitgeist: rm ~/.local/share/zeitgeist/activity.sqlite\n<glpiana> zeitgeist-daemon --replace\n<cricido> è lungo a fare la chiavetta\n<doubler7> jester-, come?\n<cricido> :)\n<jester-> doubler7: finestra di sinistra, clic destro sul device e smonta o rimozione sicura\n<gian_> a resettare unity?\n<glpiana> gian_, non resetta unity quel comando. resetta il database del demone che gestisce la memoria della dash\n<gian_> mi hai scritto 2 comandi, il primo che inizia con rm e il secondo zeitgeist-daemon --replace?\n<glpiana> gian_, sì\n<gian_> scusa ancora, il segno ~ cosa sta ad indicare??\n<glpiana> gian_, indica il percorso /home/tuoutente\n<bithunter> buongiorno\n<bithunter> ragazzi, come posso installare caratteri in inkscape/ubuntu 12.04? C'è un software dove possa scegliere e poi installare quello che mi serve?\n<glpiana> !fonts | bithunter\n<ubot-it> bithunter: Installazione: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmbienteGrafico/InstallareCaratteri - Caratteri Microsoft: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmbienteGrafico/CaratteriMicrosoft\n<bithunter> grazieeee\n<bithunter> :)\n<bithunter> glpiana: ho visto ma volevo sapere se c'è un appl per ubuntu per scegliere tra una lista di caratteri quello che ti serve?\n<andred> ciao a tutti\n<glpiana> bithunter, che io sappia il carattere che usi in un programma lo scegli dal programma stesso. poi magari no ho capito che intendi\n<jester-> bithunter: nei repo ce ne sono parecchi di font\n<jester-> uno piu brutto dell'altro ma ci sono\n<filo1234> lol\n<bithunter> mi spiego meglio: ho bisogno di implementare uno o più tipo/i di fonts in inkscape... volevo vederli prima di installarli... quindi: un metodo per vedere/installare un font aggiuntivo in Ubuntu/applicazione\n<glpiana> bithunter, per vederli c'è la mappa caratteri\n<bithunter> ok\n<glpiana> anzi tabella caratteri\n<andred> posso fare una domanda? è da poco che ho installato la 12.04 su un server 2.4 ghz, 2gb di ram e 2 hd raid 0... quando faccio il boot normale, mi si blocca, a volte sembra che la scheda video non sia impostata correttamente perchè appaiono linee strane etc etc.. se faccio il boot per ripristinare e avvio normalmente funziona tutto. qualcuno mi sa aiutare?\n<bithunter> certo, ma se volessi un carattere particolare dove e come posso aggiungerlo/vederlo\n<andred> sono un newbie e non so da dove iniziare per risolvere il problema, grazie mille!!!\n<glpiana> bithunter, come aggiungerlo è speigato nella guida, come vederlo te l'ho appena detto\n<bithunter> ok\n<doubler7> glpiana, ieri ho provato la tastiera a schermo e mi ha dato questo errore: http://imagebin.org/213232\n<glpiana> doubler7, che è sto caribu?\n<doubler7> glpiana, boh\n<glpiana> doubler7, vai su applicazioni accessibilità e avvia onboard se vuoi la tastiera a schemro\n<doubler7> glpiana, ok grazie\n<andred> nessuno sa aiutarmi?\n<jester-> andred: un server con ambiente grafico?\n<andred> ho installato la 12.04 server, ma poi ho messo gnome perchè essendo all'inizio non sapevo bene come fare..\n<andred> e soprattutto perchè accedo in vnc dal mio mac\n<jester-> andred: e poi hai pacioccato con i driver video?\n<filo1234> andred: installa una desktop normale che fors eè meglio\n<andred> no, non ho ancora capito se è un problema di scheda grafica o che\n<jester-> andred: prima andava e poi ha smesso?\n<glpiana> andred, essendo un server non avrebbe più senso accedervi in ssh?\n<andred> no, non andava. potrei anche disabilitare il gdm, l'importante è che si avvii, perchè ogni volta devo avviare la modalità di ripristino e poi avviare il sistema normalmente\n<andred> effettivamente, se andasse il boot non avrei problemi\n<andred> vi riepilogo un attimo quel che ho fatto\n<andred> ho installato ubuntu 12.04\n<glpiana> !enter | andred\n<andred> tutto ok, tranne per l'avvio\n<ubot-it> andred: non spezzettare una frase su piu' righe. Non utilizzare il ritorno a capo come punteggiatura.\n<andred> ok, scusate\n<andred> ho provato a installare l'ambiente grafico per capirci qualcosa perchè sono alle prime armi, ma a me non serve l'ambiente grafico in realtà , l'ho messo per capire se riuscivo a risolvere qualcosa, ma nulla. ora vorrei togliere l'ambiente grafico e far funzionare il boot normalmente, ma shell non so come fare\n<jester-> andred: ma è mai partito il server o si è sminchiato dopo\n<andred> intendevo dire \"ma da shell non so come fare\"\n<andred> non è mai partito normalmente, per questo ho fatto un po' di prove strane\n<filo1234> andred: si ma mi spieghi perchè ha installato l aversione server?\n<filo1234> hai*\n<jester-> andred: comincia a lasciar perdere il raid che tanto se non hai hw adeguato è una ciofeca\n<filo1234> chiedi a glpiana ^\n<filo1234> lol\n<andred> vorrei fare un server multimediale in cui mettere i miei file e condividerli tramite samba e afp ai pc windows e al mio mac\n<glpiana> filo1234, lol\n<jester-> andred: lo fai da un quasiasi os linux e non linux\n<andred> cos'è che posso fare da qualsiasi os linux? non ho capito\n<andred> ciao!\n<filo1234> andred: dammi retta reinstalla una versione desktop\n<filo1234> pre quello che devi fare ( fatto in quelo modo ) non ti serve ammazzarti con una versione server, dato che non sai usarla\n<filo1234> il kernel della versione server è diverso, e ha moduli in meno\n<andred> ma io ho chiesto un'altra cosa, non su quale versione dovrei spendere il mio tempo\n<andreaowild> mi si era chiuso...\n<andreaowild> ciao!!!\n<andreaowild> nessuno sa come aiutarmi allora?\n<andreaowild> se si blocca all'avvio di ubuntu, ho fatto un'installazione non corretta?\n<glpiana> andreaowild, ti è stato consigliato di installare una versione desktop che avendo un kernel differente dalla server magari ti risolve il problema alla radice\n<andreaowild> ma poi posso disabilitare x?\n<andreaowild> vabbè, grazie\n<glpiana> andreaowild, a che pro a questo punto, essendo utile l'interfaccia?\n<andreaowild> non mi è utile l'interfaccia\n<andreaowild> oltre a voler studiare un po' questosistema, vorrei anche poterlo usare in modo utile.\n<glpiana> andreaowild, allora riesegui una installazione server. se il problema si ripresenta, invece di installarci gnome vieni qui e vediamo che fare\n<jester-> andreaowild: perchè con intrfaccia gafica non puoi usare terminela e tty?\n<jester-> puoi scegliere di non farla partire la grafica\n<andreaowild> bello, come posso fare?\n<jester-> andreaowild: il terminale lo apri in grafica, di tty ne hai 6 control-alt-F1 F2 F3 3etc etc\n<jester-> andreaowild: alla schrmata d login scegli di andare in bash\n<jester-> schermata*\n<andreaowild> possiamo ritornare al punto di partenza?\n<andreaowild> al boot si blocca e apppaiono linee e errori che potrebbero esser della scheda video\n<jester-> andreaowild: e 27, se dopo installazione non parte il problema è li\n<andreaowild> ho capito che il problema è al boot\n<andreaowild> si blocca!\n<glpiana> andreaowild, anche con il sistema aggironato?\n<glpiana> *aggiornato\n<andreaowild> yep\n<andreaowild> l'ho installato domenica\n<jester-> andreaowild: e 28 installa un sustema server o desktop normale su partizone\n<jester-> partizione\n<andreaowild> ho aggiornato con apt-get update / apt-get upgrade\n<andreaowild> etc etc\n<jester-> andreaowild: quindi era partito\n<jester-> o no\n<andreaowild> non parte mai\n<glpiana> io sarei curioso di vederle, ste scritte\n<andreaowild> in recovery mode, faccio l'avvio normale e funziona\n<jester-> andreaowild: se mai partito come hai usato apt\n<andreaowild> in recovery mode, faccio l'avvio normale e funziona\n<glpiana> andreaowild, hai una fotocamera o un telefono che fa foto?\n<andreaowild> si\n<jester-> andreaowild: hai seguito questa guida per installazione raid? http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviPartizioni/FakeRaid\n<glpiana> !image | andreaowild\n<ubot-it> andreaowild: Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<andreaowild> non è in fakeraid, ma raid0 hardware\n<glpiana> andreaowild, mostraci ste scritte\n<andreaowild> adesso vado a casa e la faccio, verso la una e mezza la carico\n<andreaowild> se potessi caricare il video lo caricherei\n<jester-> andreaowild: server o non derve ubuntu e altro supportano solo il fake\n<andreaowild> e quindi ho sbagliato qualcosa con le partizioni..\n<glpiana> andreaowild, fin che non si vede dove si blocca si sta solo a chiacchierare. aggiornaci dopo\n<andreaowild> va bien\n<jester-> richmau\n<andreaowild> @jester- cosa vuol dire che ubuntu supportano solo il fake?\n<ubottu-it> andreaowild: Error: \"jester-\" is not a valid command.\n<andreaowild> jester- cosa vuol dire che ubuntu supportano solo il fake?\n<jester-> andreaowild: che funza solo il fakeraid\n<jester-> andreaowild: segui la guida\n<andreaowild> perciò se ho un raid0 hardware dovrei comunque configurare un fakeraid?\n<jester-> eh\n<jester-> o raid 1 che sia\n<andreaowild> vaaa bien\n<jester-> leggi la guida\n<andreaowild> scusate la rottura, ma non sapendo, chiedo...\n<jester-> mia che un raid si mette su a spanne\n<andreaowild> eh già ... però da qualche parte devo pur cominciare no?\n<glpiana> avere il pc sotto mano è un ottimo inizio\n<jester-> di solito si dovrebbe cominciare documentandosi e ubuntu ha una vasta doc\n<andreaowild> io mi documento\n<andreaowild> però se non so da dove cominciare, su cosa mi documento. la mia domanda era proprio questa: da dove comincio per risolvere il problema?\n<jester-> !troll\n<ubot-it> Trollare è un comportamento considerato fastidioso dagli altri utenti del canale. Questo include andare offtopic o chiedere la stessa cosa piu volte ottenendo risposte ma non considerarle, e questi non sono i soli comportamenti che possono essere considerati da troll. Per favore leggi /msg ubot-it irc - se questo riguarda te, potresti ritrovarti fuori dal canale.\n<glpiana> andreaowild, ti ho risposto. ora basta per favore. quando torni con l'immagine ne riparliamo\n<andreaowild> ok capito\n<lupo> ciao ce un modo per scaricare il file di ubuntu 12.04 ita e masterizzare senza tutte le procedure\n<lupo> ?\n<filo1234> ?\n<filo1234> lupo: di quali procedure parli?\n<lupo> scusa se mi sono estresso male cmq scaricare il file ricompattare autenticare fre il live e poi istallare\n<TaLaDo> lupo, ora si che si è capito\n<lupo> :-P\n<filo1234> lupo: ancora non ho capito di cosa parli\n<lupo> cerco un modo istallare il linux senza fare tutte le procedure ma solo scaricando masteriza facendo un cd auto partente e istallare\n<TaLaDo> lupo, che io sappia ti scarichi la iso la masterizzi e installi\n<andreaowild> ciao a tutti, ecco ritornato lo stressatore!!\n<lupo> quando ho scaricato il file .rar dentro cerano tre cartelle e la cartella iso no il file\n<andreaowild> vi linko l'immagine\n<andreaowild> http://imagebin.org/213242\n<TaLaDo> lupo, il file .rar?\n<TaLaDo> !installazione\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<glpiana> andreaowild, speravo stessi parlando di righe \"scritte\", non grechine\n<glpiana> andreaowild, hai il pc in questione sottomano?\n<andreaowild> ye\n<andreaowild> yes\n<lupo> scusate mi devo scollegare ho problemi con internet a tra poco grazie per ora\n<glpiana> andreaowild, scrivi: sudo apt-get pastebinit\n<glpiana> andreaowild, scusa, sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<andreaowild> ok installato\n<glpiana> andreaowild, ora: uname -a | pastebinit\n<andreaowild> spetta che mi collego dal mac così poi copio\n<glpiana> andreaowild, no, copia solo il numero\n<andreaowild> http://paste.ubuntu.com/998863/\n<glpiana> andreaowild, quanta ram ha il pc?\n<andreaowild> 2 gb\n<glpiana> andreaowild, dpkg -l | grep linux-image | pastebinit\n<andreaowild> http://paste.ubuntu.com/998866/\n<glpiana> andreaowild, free | pastebinit\n<andreaowild> http://paste.ubuntu.com/998869/\n<glpiana> andreaowild, sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-24-generic\n<andreaowild> fatto\n<glpiana> andreaowild, cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | pastebinit\n<andreaowild> riavvio?\n<andreaowild> http://paste.ubuntu.com/998875/\n<glpiana> andreaowild, al boot visualizza il menu di grub e scegli la voce Ubuntu, con Linux 3.2.0-24-generic e non la pae\n<glpiana> andreaowild, poi dimmi se si avvia o meno\n<andreaowild> ok provo\n<andreaowild> al boot ho scelto versioni precedenti di linux e poi quella che mi hai detto non pae\n<andreaowild> e si è bloccato\n<andreaowild> eccomi\n<glpiana> andreaowild, scrivi: cat /etc/default/grub\n<glpiana> anzi\n<glpiana> andreaowild, scrivi: cat /etc/default/grub | pastebinit\n<andreaowild> http://paste.ubuntu.com/998906/\n<glpiana> andreaowild, riavvia, quando visualizzi grub, sulla prima riga premi il tasto \"e\"\n<andreaowild> okz\n<glpiana> andreaowild, poi ti piazzi in fondo alla riga che contiene quiet splash noapic e li cancelli, quindi premi ctrl+x per avviare con sta modifica. dimmi se si avvia\n<andreaowild> no, c'è un errore lo stesso\n<glpiana> andreaowild, che errore?\n<andreaowild> scusa\n<andreaowild> va in errore lo stesso\n<glpiana> ah\n<andreaowild> la schermata cambia\n<andreaowild> adesso faccio la foto\n<andreaowild> http://imagebin.org/213251\n<andreaowild> ecco la foto\"\n<alessio> ciao raga, c'è un modo per installare ubuntu desktop, senza però installare brasero, firefox e tutta la moria di software proposti dal pacchetto??\n<glpiana> andreaowild, sì vabbè, bastava dire che avevi due righe verticali\n<filo1234> alessio: installi una versione minimale e scegli quello che vuoi installare o no\n<andreaowild> eheheh\n<glpiana> alessio, no, ubuntu-desktop è un meta pacchetto e quelle robe se le porta dietro\n<filo1234> alessio: comunque a seconde del DE che scegli poi, alcuni programmi/dipendendeze verranno comunqu einstallati\n<alessio> glpiana, uso gnome shell 3.4\n<alessio> filo1234, uso gnome shell 3.4\n<alessio> glpiana, ok ma se poi disintallo brasero si deve portare dietro ubuntu-desktop per forza??\n<glpiana> aspettiamo che lo dici anche a tutti gli altri 49 utenti? :)\n<glpiana> alessio, ma ubuntu-desktop è un metapacchetto\n<filo1234> alessio: hai chiesto come installare senza alcuni pacchetti...non come disisntallare alcuni pacchetti\n<alessio> glpiana, avevo sbagliato leggi il commento sopra, la domanda me l'ha fatta filo e io ho risposto a te\n<filo1234> io non ti ho fatto domande\n<glpiana> lol\n<filo1234> lokl\n<alessio> filo1234, voglio avere ubuntu-desktop ma senza tutti quei maledetti sw\n<filo1234> alessio: io ti ho gia risposto\n<alessio> filo1234, mi avevi chiesto che de uso\n<filo1234> no\n<alessio> raga ma ci vuole molto a leggere?? ufff....\n<glpiana> alessio, ubuntu-desktop è un metapacchetto e si porta dietro tutto quello per cui è configurato (e tre)\n<filo1234> 14:17 < filo1234> alessio: comunque a seconde del DE che scegli poi, alcuni programmi/dipendendeze verranno comunqu einstallati\n<pac> buon pomeriggio\n<jester-> bella coppia\n<filo1234> alessio: io non ti ho chiesto nulla, ti ho risposto, forse tu non leggi\n<alessio> vabbè lasciamo stare qui ci suffermiamo sugli errori di battitura/grammatica invece di risolvere i problemi -.-'\n<pac> uso la 11.10 e vorrei sapere se questa guida è ancora efficace http://pebloy.blogspot.it/2010/05/configure-ubuntu-1004-for-thinkpad-x41.html\n<filo1234> alessio: comunque a seconde del DE che scegli poi, alcuni programmi/dipendendeze verranno comunqu einstallati\n<filo1234> alessio: installi una versione minimale e scegli quello che vuoi installare o no\n<glpiana> alessio, se leggessi bene avresti letto anche delle spiegazioni che non stai prendendo in considerazione\n<jester-> pac: non è una guida marcata ubuntu, quindi è ot\n<pac> jester-: capisco grazie\n<alessio> filo1234, come installo una versione minimale?? non me ne frega niente se è minimale o completa voglio sto benedetto ubuntu-desktop senza portarmi dietro tutti che sw inutili\n<glpiana> andreaowild, non in privato per cortesia\n<filo1234> alessio: ok non hai capito un asega\n<filo1234> ciao\n<filo1234> ho cose più importanti da fare\n<andreaowild> non volevo crear casini con più discussioni\n<alessio> filo1234, come vuoi se non mi vuoi aiutare non mi aiutare ma non dire che non ho capito una sega\n<jester-> filo1234: siete tu e glpiana che non capite che il gatto e la volpe vi prenson per i fondelli\n<alessio> filo1234, come si installa sta minchia di versione minimale??\n<glpiana> alessio, se vuoi il pacchetto ubuntu-desktop ti pigli quello che si porta dietro. ounto\n<filo1234> te lo dico perchè non sai di cosa parli e non hai capito una sega di quello che ti ho detto\n<jester-> vi prendono*\n<filo1234> e 15\n<glpiana> alessio, modera i toni\n<alessio> glpiana, ah ok ci voleva tanto a dirlo??\n<glpiana> alessio, alla quarta volta lo hai capito?\n<filo1234> leggi e impara a leggere quello che ti dicono, se vuoi \"personalizzarti\" la distro installando quello che ti serve, parti da una minimale\n<filo1234> .\n<glpiana> meno male, cominciavo a disperare\n<alessio> glpiana, mi sa che tocca a te leggere bene le frasi e capirne il senso\n<glpiana> alessio, dacci un taglio\n<alessio> glpiana, io non avevo capito il fatto di sta benedetta versione minimale\n<alessio> filo1234, ah una distro minimale e allora cosa scrivi ti installi una versione minimale del pacchetto??\n<glpiana> alessio, io non ti ho parlato di versione minimale\n<alessio> glpiana, ho detto che ne hai parlato tu?? no!!\n<glpiana> alessio, io ti ho spiegato che ubuntu-desktop è un metapacchetto che si porta dietro roba\n<filo1234> alessio: io no ho scritto di installare una versione minimale del pacchetto\n<glpiana> alessio, alla prossima risposta su sti toni sei fuori\n<alessio> glpiana, si ok e lo avevo gia capito il fatto della minimale l'ha detto filo\n<alessio> filo1234, leggiti i commenti sopra\n<filo1234> io ti ho scritto esattamente questo\n<filo1234> alessio: leggi tu\n<filo1234> 14:17 < filo1234> alessio: installi una versione minimale e scegli quello che vuoi installare o no\n<filo1234> 14:17 < filo1234> alessio: comunque a seconde del DE che scegli poi, alcuni programmi/dipendendeze verranno comunqu einstallati\n<filo1234> .\n<glpiana> andreaowild, avvia da recovery e scrivi: dpkg --configure -a poi riavvia\n<filo1234> s epoi non sai cosa sia una versioneminumale, chiedi invece di fare il gradasso\n<alessio> filo1234, ok allora giro la domanda...c'è un'alternativa a ubuntu-desktop??\n<filo1234> -.-\n<glpiana> -.-\n<glpiana> mettere una minimale e non installarlo\n<glpiana> alessio, ma perchè sto desiderio di avere un apcchetto inutile?\n<glpiana> *pacchetto\n<alessio> glpiana, perchè su synaptic c'è scritto che è un pacchetto importante e infatti da quando l'ho rimosso quando loggo su gnome prima di comparire il mio bel de c'è una fastidiosissima schermata tutta pixelata a righe orizzontali e verticali\n<glpiana> alessio, quella schermata non dipende di sicuro dalla presenza o dall'assenza del pacchetto ubuntu-desktop\n<alessio> glpiana, ok allora mi potresti gentilmente dire come far rifunzionare plymouth e a rimuovere quella benedetta schermata che c'è al login?? grazie :D\n<glpiana> alessio, che scheda video hai e che driver usi?\n<alessio> glpiana, ati 5650 hd radeon mobility ed uso i driver proprietari ati 12.4\n<alessio> glpiana, non uso gli open perchè gnome shell non funziona, non so perchè ma funziona solo la fallback\n<glpiana> alessio, scrivi nel temrinale: dpkg -l | grep fglrx\n<glpiana> !paste | alessio\n<ubot-it> alessio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<glpiana> alessio, mettici anche l'output di uname -a\n<alessio> glpiana, dpkg -l | grep fglrx non mi da output\n<glpiana> alessio, li hai messi col .run preso dal sito?\n<alessio> glpiana, si\n<glpiana> alessio, l'output dell'altro comando?\n<alessio> glpiana, Linux ALESSIO 3.3.6-030306-i7 #201205121335 SMP Sun May 13 11:25:28 CEST 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux comunque anche con il kernel di default mi fa lo stesso giochino\n<glpiana> alessio, su queto canale non c'è supporto per versioni di software non presenti nei repository\n<glpiana> !chat | alessio\n<ubot-it> alessio: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<alessio> glpiana, lo sapevo che me lo dicevi ma il problema me lo fa anche con il kernel di default\n<glpiana> alessio, e mi pare non sia la prima volta che ti dico sta cosa\n<alessio> glpiana, se vuoi loggo con quello di default ma tanto non cambia niente ho lo stesso identico problema\n<glpiana> alessio, tu rientra qui col kernel di default e i driver fglrx installati col gestore dei driver aggiuntivi e ne riparliamo\n<alessio> glpiana, se li installo con il gestore dei driver aggiuntivi gnome-shell fa i capricci\n<alessio> glpiana, ad esempio la data si vede solo a metà e cose simile\n<alessio> *simili\n<andreaowild> glpiana, nada non funzia\n<andreaowild> ora vado\n<andreaowild> a presto!!!\n<andreaowild> grazie mille lo stesso\n<glpiana> alessio, non posso farci nulla. ti ho semplicemente illustrato la politica di questo canale e ti ho detto dove chiedere eventualmente\n<Drizamanuber> ciao a tutti, in quale chat posso chiedere informazioni su libre office?\n<andreaowild> ciaooooooooo\n<FloodBotIt2> andreaowild: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<alessio> glpiana, loggo con quello di default ma tanto non cambia nada\n<glpiana> Drizamanuber, se il problema riguarda ubuntu chiedi qui\n<Drizamanuber> glpiana: no, riguarda le macro di libreoffice, come compilarle\n<glpiana> !chat | Drizamanuber\n<ubot-it> Drizamanuber: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Drizamanuber> glpiana: ho ricevuto la risposta da ubot, non mi ricordavo l'esatto nome della chat, adesso me lo segno da qualche parete\n<alessio> glpiana, rieccomi Linux ALESSIO 3.2.0-24-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 25 08:43:22 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux\n<mnemonik> ...non ho capito una cosa... quando sono attive due e più finestre di uno stesso programma nella barra di destra di ubuntu 12.04 compaiono nell'icona tanti segnetti bianchi quante le finestre attive del programma.... quando voglio cambiare finestra del programma clikko sull'icona relativa al programma attivo ma si apre sempre la stessa finestra del programma... per aprire le altre finestre devo chiudere 1 finestra alla volta del programma ... per vedere\n<alessio> glpiana, ho installato i driver aggiuntivi e sembrano essere perfetti unica cosa è che plymouth all'accensione non funziona mentre quando spengo si\n<glpiana> alessio, non funziona nel senso che? non visualizzi UBUNTU e i pallini?\n<gian_> ciao glpiana, ho provato a lanciare i comandi rm ~/.local/share/zeitgeist/activity.sqlite e poi seitgeist-daemon --replace, ma non è successo nulla, si ferma su dei warning\n<alessio> glpiana, esatto\n<glpiana> mnemonik, cliccaci due volte e ti mostrerà tutte le finestre di quel programma\n<alessio> glpiana, ti dico subito che ho modificato il file grub se vuoi te lo posto su pastebin\n<glpiana> alessio, riavvia e al boot premi \"E\". in fondo alla riga con quiet splash scrivi nomodeset e premi ctrl+x e poi dimmi se migliora o peggiroa\n<glpiana> *peggiora\n<glpiana> alessio, ah ok, pastebinnalo allora\n<alessio> glpiana, ok anche se nomodeset l'ho gia usato\n<glpiana> gian_, metti su pastebuin quello che è apparso\n<mnemonik> glpiana, purtroppo mi apre sempre la stessa finestra... minimizzo e riclikko... mi apre sempre la stessa finestra\n<alessio> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/998967/\n<mnemonik> glpiana, per fa comparire l'altra finestra devo chiudere quella che mi si apre\n<glpiana> mnemonik, cioè quando clicchi si minimizza la finestra?\n<gian_> !pastebin\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<alessio> glpiana, eccoti anche l'initramfs http://paste.ubuntu.com/998968/\n<mnemonik> glpiana, no clikko sull'icona del programma attivo.. ma si pone in primo piano sempre la stessa finestra del programma... mentre l'altra rimane minimizzata\n<glpiana> alessio, hai roba ripetuta, come la risoluzione ad esempio. dovresti avviare editando la riga al boot ed eliminando una opzione per volta e una sola per vedere in quale caso non si presentano problemi relativi allo sfarfallio o all'assenza di plymouth\n<gian_> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/998971/\n<glpiana> mnemonik, e se clicchi due volte di fila?\n<alessio> glpiana, ho gia provato...ma niente\n<glpiana> gian_, oki, riavvia il pc intanto e poi vedi se la situazione è migliorata nella dash\n<gian_> glpiana, l'ho fatto diverse volte ma non è cambiato nulla\n<glpiana> alessio, quantomeno edita /etc/defalt/grub e metti un cancelletto davanti a GRUB_GFXMODE=1366x768 e poi dai sudo update-grub\n<glpiana> gian_, e quel warning da dove esce se hai già riavviato?\n<alessio> glpiana, ah ok ma ho letto sulla guida che il cancelletto andava rimosso proprio per avviare il grub a 1366x768\n<glpiana> alessio, ma tu gli dai anche una opzione prima per la risoluzione\n<gian_> no, quel warning viene fuori quando da terminale lancio zeitgeist-daemon --replace\n<alessio> glpiana, ok aggiornato riavvio\n<glpiana> gian_, ma quello dovevi farlo solo la prima volta\n<glpiana> gian_, al riavvio del pc no serve più\n<gian_> ok, ma andando a riavviare, andando in applicazioni vedo ancora l'icona \"iTunes\" (icona a forma di bicchiere)\n<glpiana> gian_, allora facciamo così: locate iTunes.desktop\n<gian_> ok, ho lanciato questo comando da terminale\n<glpiana> gian_, ti ha dato qualcosa?\n<gian_> no\n<alessio> glpiana, ok fatto ma niente si vede meglio nel senso che non fa più cose strane del tipo sfarfallii e schermate a righe\n<alessio> glpiana, comunqe ho visto in bum che plymouth non ha la spunta può essere per quello che non funziona??\n<glpiana> gian_, locate itunes\n<glpiana> caffè\n<gian_> glpiana, neanche adesso\n<glpiana> torno tra qualche minuto\n<glpiana> gian_, allora, apri l adash, visualizza l'icona di itunesprendila e trascinala sul desktop\n<gian_> glpiana, l'ho fatto\n<glpiana> gian_, ora dimmi esattamente com esi chiama il file che ti ha creato\n<gian_> glpiana, iTunes.desktop\n<glpiana> gian_, scrivi: locate iTunes.desktop\n<gian_> glpiana, l'ho lancio da terminale ma non succede nulla\n<glpiana> gian_, nel terminale cd Scrivania\n<glpiana> gian_, poi scrivi: ls -la iTunes.desktop\n<gian_> glpiana, -rw-rw-r-- 1 gianfranco gianfranco 274 mag 21 10:19 iTunes.desktop\n<glpiana> gian_, sudo updatedb\n<glpiana> gian_, poi ridai: locate iTunes.desktop\n<gian_> glpiana, niente, mi ricompare la scritta della directory\n<glpiana> gian_, ma lo scrivi con la t maiuscola?\n<gian_> si\n<glpiana> gian_, almeno quello sulla scrviania dovrebbe vederlo\n<gian_> per essere più sicuro faccio copia e incolla, ma niente\n<glpiana> gian_, secondo me qualcosa sbagli, perchè dopo updatedb dovrebbe vederti almeno quello sulla scrivania. copia tutti i comandi che ti ho dato e relativi output su pastebin\n<glpiana> !paste | gian_\n<ubot-it> gian_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<gian_> se ci clicco sopra per aprirlo mi dice che non è fidato\n<gian_> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/999031/\n<glpiana> gian_, e quello sarebbe un comando che non da nulla?\n<gian_> si ma dopo updatedb con sudo\n<glpiana> <glpiana> gian_, sudo updatedb\n<glpiana> <glpiana> gian_, poi ridai: locate iTunes.desktop\n<glpiana> <gian_> glpiana, niente, mi ricompare la scritta della directory\n<glpiana> vedi tu\n<FloodBotIt2> glpiana: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<gian_> scusa non avevo visto updatedb\n<glpiana> gian_, rm /home/gianfranco/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs/iTunes/iTunes.desktop\n<glpiana> gian_, poi non dovrebbe più visualizzartelo. se lo fa, riavvia l'interfaccia grafica e vediamo se c'è ancora\n<gian_> glpiana, ok non compare più, grazie\n<glpiana> prego :)\n<gian_> glpiana, scusa ancora, ma se ho disinstallato iTunes, posso cancellare tutto quello che trovo lanciando locate iTunes?\n<DAMN3dg1rl> saluti. per motivi che nn sto a spiegare sto facendo una eresia, ovvero usando una live di kubuntu 12.04 . il problema sta nel fatto nel fatto che rekonq non tiene in memoria la passoword dei vari siti web, ed in particolare gmail e fb , costringendomi più e più volte nella stessa sessione di riloggarmi\n<DAMN3dg1rl> sta diventando tutto estenuante\n<DAMN3dg1rl> enzotib ... te ne hai idea del come risolvere ? ;)\n<glpiana> gian_, sì\n<glpiana> DAMN3dg1rl, installa firefox\n<DAMN3dg1rl> glpaina, su live ?\n<glpiana> DAMN3dg1rl, no? chi te lo vieta?\n<DAMN3dg1rl> se riesco a trovare il terminale...\n<glpiana> DAMN3dg1rl, si chiama konsole\n<DAMN3dg1rl> glpiana, idem in debian, ma ... non capisco cosa sia sta simil finder che mi trovo con kde su *buntu...\n<glpiana> DAMN3dg1rl, non ho capito di che parli ma mi sembra argomento da #ubuntu-it-chat non da supporto\n<DAMN3dg1rl> glpiana, non trovo nemmeno il modo di accedere a qualcosa che non sia quelle tre cose sul \"desktop\"\n<DAMN3dg1rl> sono completamente spaesata\n<glpiana> DAMN3dg1rl, kde ha un menu per le appicazioni. non mi sembra tanto difficile usarlo: clicchi sulla k, poi in basso su applicazioni e poi sfogli il menu\n<DAMN3dg1rl> glpiana, non c'è il menù k qua...\n<DAMN3dg1rl> c'è una cosa identica o quasi a finder di osx\n<DAMN3dg1rl> ma non riesco a capire come si usi\n<glpiana> DAMN3dg1rl, non stai usando kubuntu allora\n<DAMN3dg1rl> lsb_release -a mi da ubuntu 12,04 lts\n<glpiana> DAMN3dg1rl, a maggior ragione, non stai usando kubuntu\n<glpiana> DAMN3dg1rl, ora se hai finito di trollare, torna su #ubuntu-it-chat\n<OverMe> lol\n<DAMN3dg1rl> glpiana, vuoi piantarla di accusarmi ?\n<DAMN3dg1rl> se vuoi ti invio uno screen .............\n<glpiana> !image | DAMN3dg1rl\n<ubot-it> DAMN3dg1rl: Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<DAMN3dg1rl> glpiana, ecco uomo di poca fede http://imagebin.org/213260\n<glpiana> DAMN3dg1rl, quella è sì kde, ma non quella del livecd di kubuntu\n<DAMN3dg1rl> io ho scaricato dalla pagina kubuntu.org ...........\n<glpiana> DAMN3dg1rl, comunque se scrivi konsole su quel search and launch ti tiri fuori d'impiccio\n<DAMN3dg1rl> dove è il search and launch ?\n<glpiana> DAMN3dg1rl, guarda la barra in alto partendo da sinistra, sposta lo sguardo lievemente verso destra.... eccolo!\n<glpiana> ciao stacco\n<Drizamanuber> glpiana: ciao\n<DAMN3dg1rl> thank\n<glpiana> ciao Drizamanuber\n<lelamal> DAMN3dg1rl: hai un netbook su cui stai testando kubuntu?\n<DAMN3dg1rl> lelamal , s' , è un netbook il dispositivo con disco rigido fritto che sto usando con la live\n<lelamal> quella è l'interfaccia netbook, non quella desktop\n<lelamal> per cambiarla segui questa guida\n<lelamal> http://digitizor.com/2010/09/18/how-to-switch-between-desktop-and-netbook-workspace-in-kubuntu-10-10/\n<DAMN3dg1rl> grazie. intanto appena arrivo a casa ho un disco fisso in cassetto e ci rimetto debian sopra\n<lelamal> di niente\n<DAMN3dg1rl> certo che un op che ti accusa di troll perchè non conosce una interfaccia alternativa... ;)\n<DAMN3dg1rl> tornando a rekonq, non posso installare ff , è assai pesante. si può capire come fixar rekonq ?\n<filo1234> DAMN3dg1rl: maa cosa ti serve salvare le password in una live me lo spieghi?\n<DAMN3dg1rl> filo, sto navigando beatamente su fb e controllando amorevolmente la mia posta. ogni 3 secondi ho il redirect per il login\n<DAMN3dg1rl> assai scomodo , non trovi?\n<lelamal> prova ad installare konqueror, rekonq è ancora parecchio buggato\n<DAMN3dg1rl> provo. lelamal. ma perchè l'hanno messo come cosa principale , se è lecito chiedere ? insomma... è buggato\n<filo1234> DAMN3dg1rl: sarà ma non ne vedo l'utilità .. in ogni caso mi pare più un problema della live\n<lelamal> eeh, me lo chiedo anch'io\n<filo1234> DAMN3dg1rl: chiedi agli sviluppatori\n<DAMN3dg1rl> filo, cosa non vedi l'utilità ?\n<filo1234> perchè una live non mantenga le password\n<filo1234> nell'usare una live come intendi tu\n<DAMN3dg1rl> lelamal, mi ero dimenticata di konqueror, ti amo !\n<DAMN3dg1rl> ;)\n<DAMN3dg1rl> cambio browser , a poi\n<lelamal> :)\n<robytrevi> ciao a tutti\n<ServerNO> Salve a tutti\n<ServerNO> Qualcuno può aiutarmi ???\n<filo1234> !qualcuno | ServerNO\n<ubot-it> ServerNO: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<ServerNO> OK\n<ServerNO> devo configurare un server ftp vsftpd su ubuntu server e devo aggiungere degli utenti che hanno delle cartelle dove uppare dei dati tutte contenuti in una sottodirectory dati\n<ServerNO> mi spiego meglio\n<ServerNO> ogni utente ha la sua directory personale utente1 utente2 e così' via ogni utente deve poter accedere solo alla propria cartella. In fine ci sarà un utente principale che potrà accedere a tutte queste cartelle\n<Best`> ragazzi scappo, ci si legge domani! Seraaa!\n<glpiana> ola\n<Aizram> glpiana, :D\n<glpiana> ola Aizram\n<gian_> ho una canon mp250 che non stampa... I driver sono installati (cnijfilter 3.40) ed è correttamente connessa tramite usb.\n<rorro007> ciao a tutti, non so cosa ho toccato mentre ero al portatile, mi sono sparite i bordi finestra per chiudere e minimizzare qualcuno mi può aiutare?? ho la 12.04\n<glpiana> rorro007, avrai smanazzato le configurazioni di compiz\n<rorro007> glpiana, stavo lavorando con gimp e non so sono sparite\n<jester1-> glpiana: ma va. è noto che ubuntu si sminchi da sola, specialmente a pc spento\n<glpiana> rorro007, sarà morto compiz\n<glpiana> rorro007, hai già riavviato?\n<rorro007> glpiana, no\n<glpiana> rorro007, e cosa ti ferma dal farlo?\n<rorro007> glpiana, che ne so??\n<rorro007> glpiana, se riavvio ritorna tutto come prima??\n<glpiana> rorro007, consulto la sfera e ti dico, intanto riavvia\n<filo1234> glpiana: vuoi la destra o la sinistra?\n<rorro007> glpiana, sei sempre il solito... se ritorno è perche ho problemi saluti e grazie\n<filo1234> eh\n<glpiana> sempre il solito\n<gian_> ho una canon mp250 che non stampa... I driver sono installati (cnijfilter 3.40) ed è correttamente connessa tramite usb.\n<glpiana> !repeat | gian_\n<ubot-it> gian_: non ripetere la tua domanda spesso, ogni N minuti. Non aumenterà le probabilità di ottenere una risposta ma provocherà solamente una reazione stizzita da parte degli altri utenti del canale. Se nessuno ti risponde riprova più tardi o utilizza le altre forme di supporto messe a dispozione dalla comunità .\n<gian_> ciao, è possibile avanzare da ubuntu 10.04 ad ubuntu 10.10 senza cd?\n<glpiana> gian_, diciamo he non è possibile farlo con cd (se non cn alternate)\n<glpiana> !aggiornamento | gian_\n<ubot-it> gian_: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione#Avanzamento_di_versione\n<gian_> glpiana: glpiana vorrei reinstallare 10.10 dato che con quel rilascio la mia stampante funzionava. Adesso invece con la 10.04 non funziona...\n<glpiana> gian_, la 10.10 però non è più supportata\n<glpiana> e quindi mi sa che l'avanzamento che vuoi fare non puoi farlo\n<glpiana> se non andare a scomodare i repository old release\n<gian_> glpiana: su questo pc ho solo 768MB di ram, per questo non installo l'ultima versione disponibile. Quale mi consiglieresti per la mia ram?\n<glpiana> gian_, o tieni la 10.04 o passi a 12.04 e metti gnome classico (gnome-session-fallback)\n<filo1234> o lxde\n<glpiana> bah\n<Sagitt> salve a tutti!\n<Sagitt> avrei una domanda, è possibile abilitare il support x264 a ffmpeg installato dai source? ho trovato delle guide su come abilitarlo ma se provo a rimuovere l'attuale mi disinstalla alcune applicazioni che non posso disinstallare\n<filo1234> Sagitt: chiedi in #ffmpeg\n<Sagitt> e per la seconda domanda sai rispondermi?\n<filo1234> scusa ma non vedo la seconda domanda\n<filo1234> ne hai fatta una\n<Sagitt> c'è un modo per rimuovere un'applicazione senza rimuovere i pacchetti affini? in questo caso ho ffmpeg e zoneminder, se rimuovo ffmpeg lui mi disinstalla zoneminder, ma se rimuovo zoneminder oltre ad avere off una funzione che mi deve rimanere attiva (ffmpeg esporta solo i video in zoneminder) devo anche riconfigurarlo tutto\n<filo1234> Sagitt: che io sappia no, almeno senza segare il sistema\n<Sagitt> ho chiesto in ffmpeg\n<Sagitt> il problema è che se compilo ffmpeg\n<Sagitt> devo compilarmi anche zoneminder\n<Sagitt> e preferivo tenermi quello dei sorgenti\n<jester1-> Sagitt: ffmpeg non è una dipendenza di zoneminder, ome fa a toglierlo\n<Sagitt> se io provo a rimuovere ffmpeg secondo questa guida aspetta.\n<Sagitt> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=786095\n<Sagitt> il primo\n<Sagitt> I seguenti pacchetti saranno RIMOSSI:\n<Sagitt> ffmpeg zoneminder\n<Sagitt> anche solo se tento di togliere ffmpeg\n<jester1-> Sagitt: hai usato ppa per zoneminder?\n<Sagitt> ppa sarebbe?\n<jester1-> i repo scruasi\n<jester1-> Sagitt: cosa ti interessa togliere\n<jester1-> zone o ffmpeg\n<Sagitt> ffmpeg\n<Sagitt> senza tolgiere zoneminder\n<Sagitt> per installare manualmente come da guida\n<Sagitt> ffmpeg e il supporto x264\n<jester1-> installare cosa\n<Sagitt> vorrei mettere ffmpeg e il supporto x264 a ffmpeg\n<Sagitt> secondo quella guida c'è da compilarlo a mano\n<jester1-> Sagitt: toglilo epoi reinstalli il minder\n<Sagitt> c'è alternativa?\n<Sagitt> zi jester1- era ciò che volevo fare\n<Sagitt> il problema è che se tolgo minder\n<Sagitt> dopo mi tocca riconfigurarlo da 0\n<Sagitt> era proprio questo che voelvo evitare\n<jester1-> Sagitt: no la conf ti rimane\n<jester1-> se non cancelli la cartella nella home\n<Sagitt> sei sicuro?\n<jester1-> Sagitt: comunque è strana la cosa\n<Sagitt> io ricordo che l'ultima volta che feci un unistall di zoneminder\n<Sagitt> mi rimosse tutto\n<Sagitt> configurazione compresa\n<Sagitt> si basa su mysql\n<FloodBotIt2> Sagitt: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<jester1-> Sagitt: si sto vedendo adesso che ffmpeg è una dipendenza\n<jester1-> che non dovrebbe togliere ma i bug esistono\n<Sagitt> non c'è modo alternativo per aggiungere il famoso supporto vero?\n<jester1-> Sagitt: sudo dpkg -r ffmpeg cosa vorrebbe fare\n<Sagitt> Si sono verificati degli errori nell'elaborazione:\n<Sagitt> ffmpeg\n<jester1-> Sagitt: joina la chat e chiedi a peace-\n<jester1-> Sagitt: secondo me hai incrocchiato apt & co\n<Sagitt> guarda jester1-\n<Sagitt> su questo server non c'è stato fatto altro che un update + upgrade, e install zoneminder\n<jester1-> Sagitt: sudo apt-get install --reinstall ffmpeg zoneminder\n<jester1-> Sagitt: il solito server con la grafica?\n<Sagitt> no\n<Sagitt> server vuoto\n<Sagitt> update\n<Sagitt> upgrade, installazione di un paio di pacchetti\n<Sagitt> configurazione di questi e fine\n<FloodBotIt2> Sagitt: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<Sagitt> ops. scusate\n<jester1-> Sagitt: e come vedi le cam e le clip di zoneminder\n<Sagitt> mjpg_streamer\n<Sagitt> le clip sono delle immagini in sequenza, ffmpeg non fa altro che esportarle in video se voglio io\n<jester1-> Sagitt: e come lo configuri senza il bauser\n<Sagitt> bauser\n<Sagitt> ?\n<jester1-> browser\n<Sagitt> in che senso come lo configuro?\n<jester1-> Sagitt: che mi ricordi si paciocca con firefox\n<Sagitt> mm no, semplicemente accedo da chrome per esempio sul mio pc attuale\n<Sagitt> digitando l'ip del server, e accedo alla web interface\n<jester1-> Sagitt: comunque ffmpeg è installato a cass per quello lo vuole levare\n<jester1-> Sagitt: sudo apt-get -f install\n<jester1-> Sagitt: sudo apt-get install --reinstall ffmpeg zoneminder\n<Sagitt> adesso lo faccio\n<jester1-> Sagitt: fa vedere eventuale errore\n<Sagitt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/999336/\n<jester1-> Sagitt: è tutto sminciato, pulisci e reinstalla\n<jester1-> Sagitt: o prova a fare un simlink /usr/share/zoneminder -->/var/cache/zoneminder\n<Sagitt> provo\n<Sagitt> io non ho sminchiato nulla\n<Sagitt> ho solo installato come la repo vuole\n<jester1-> Sagitt: non è correttamente installato lo zone\n<jester1-> Sagitt: niente di piu facile che sia buggato\n<Sagitt> adesso correggo i symlin\n<Sagitt> forse sono le config che li modificano\n<jester1-> Sagitt: eh controlla\n<jester1-> Sagitt: non è una novità un pacchetto che si dimentica un qualcosa\n<jester1-> o meglio il mantainer del pacchetto\n<Sagitt> ok\n<Sagitt> reinstall fatto\n<jester1-> Sagitt: è andato a buon fine?\n<Sagitt> a quanto pare\n<Sagitt> e sembra anche non aver resettato nulla\n<jester1-> Sagitt: sudo apt-get -f install\n<jester1-> cosa dice\n<Sagitt> 0 aggiornati, 0 installati, 0 da rimuovere e 0 non aggiornati.\n<jester1-> prova adesso a togliere ffmpeg\n<Sagitt> the same\n<Sagitt> facciamo cosi\n<Sagitt> lo accontento\n<Sagitt> e rimuovo zoneminder\n<Sagitt> il il -y\n<Sagitt> cosa vuol dire in un apt-get install?\n<jester-> Sagitt: apt-get install sticass installa il pacchetto sticass e le relative dipendenze\n<jester-> -f install tenta di sistemare installazioni farlocche\n<Sagitt> jester-: sto testando la guida ora\n<Sagitt> una domanda che magari ne sapete di più\n<Sagitt> ogni tanto su questo piccolo server\n<Sagitt> senza alcuna causa\n<Sagitt> senza toccar nulla, ma lasciandolo li\n<Sagitt> si scazza il mysql dando un errore, e googlando lo hanno in molti, ora non ricordo l'errore\n<Sagitt> cosa può essere?\n<pas> ciao ho problema con la cam\n<pas> non si vede\n<glpiana> pas, con che programma^\n<glpiana> ?\n<pas> tutti\n<pas> skype .. ho provato anche chatroulette\n<glpiana> tutti -.-\n<pas> ma nulla\n<glpiana> pas, con cheese l'hai provata?\n<pas> non lo ho istallato .. lo installo ?\n<glpiana> pas, sì\n<pas> non si vede\n<glpiana> pas, dai lsusb e copia su pastebin\n<glpiana> !paste | pas\n<ubot-it> pas: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<pas> http://paste.ubuntu.com/999416/.\n<pas> http://paste.ubuntu.com/999416/\n<glpiana> pas, scrivi cheese nel terminale\n<pas> aperto\n<pas> (ma già lo era prima\n<glpiana> pas, e non mostra niente a terminale?\n<pas> una marea di warnig\n<pas> *warninng\n<glpiana> pas, hai provato a collegarla ad un'altra porta usb?\n<pas> funziona la porta con win si collega\n<pas> nell'altra ho il wi-fi\n<glpiana> pas, da quel che vedo dovrebbe andare senza problemi quella webcam. altro ora non so dirti, sorry\n<gabriele93> ho installato ubuntu-studio....hanno messo xface come DE...posso mettere qualcosa di superiore senza combinare casini?\n<pas> capito grazie\n<Sagitt> jester-\n<Sagitt> se seguo quella guida e mi salvo i .deb output posso poi in futuro fare un dpkg -i senza un make dinuovo?\n<jester-> Sagitt: ??\n<Sagitt> https://ffmpeg.org/trac/ffmpeg/wiki/UbuntuCompilationGuide\n<Sagitt> questa guida mi fa compilare i moduli manualmente\n<Sagitt> e nella cartella di compilazione mi crea un .deb\n<Sagitt> se in futuro io per esempio reinstallo ubuntu server, e volessi reinstallare quei moduli\n<Sagitt> posso farlo usando sudo dpkg -i file.deb invece che ricompilarli?\n<jester-> Sagitt: se hai fatti il deb è sempre buono\n<jester-> fatto*\n<Sagitt> x264_0.124.2197+git69a0443-1_i386\n<Sagitt> libvpx_201205211918-git-1_i386\n<Sagitt> mi fa questi deb\n<Sagitt> per esempio, quindi lo prendo per un si?\n<jester-> Sagitt: certo altrimenti a cosa servirebbero i deb\n<Sagitt> perchè tipo il pc non è prestazionale molto\n<Sagitt> e ci sta mettendo tipo mezzora per compilare ffmpeg :p\n<alessio> filo1234, sei pratico di driver ati??\n<alessio> raga non riesco più ad installare i driver ati, nè i proprietari nè quelli aggiuntivi...qualcuno mi da una mano per favore??\n<tullio> Ciao a tutti,sono nuovo....\n<bobbybong> !ciao | tullio\n<ubot-it> tullio: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<tullio> Spero di essere riuscito a fare le cose per benino...!\n<tullio> Mi ha dato le dritte un certo ugone..\n<tullio> Azzz ma cè anche lui.......... ciao ugo\n<tullio> ugone\n<alessio> raga ma la patch di con kovalis è gia incluso nel 3.4??\n<tullio> Ci sei ugone..\n<tullio> Ciao a tutti.\n<avici> ciao a tutti\n<avici> qualcuno se ne intende di virtualizzazioni KVM?\n<tull> ciao, ho un problema con ubuntu lucid, da un po' mi succede che il tempo da quando compare lo sfondo a quando compare la schermata di login è troppo lungo\n<Joshua^Dunamis> tull: può dipendere da molte cose, hai aggiornato i drivers nvidia, hai pacchetti di repositories esterni che riguardano Xorg?\n<tull> Joshua^Dunamis, ho i drivers nouveau ma succede anche con i drivers nvidia, e non ho nessun repository esterno per Xorg\n<tull> l'avvio è veloce tranne in quel periodo\n<tull> ci mette un sacco (25 secondi) ad arrivare al login\n<Sagitt> qualcuno ha httpsegmenter installato?\n<Sagitt> jester-: alla fine sono riusicto a installare ffmpeg con il supporto x264 e zoneminder\n<Sagitt> però ora ho un problema nell'installazione di httpsegmenter\n<Sagitt> segmenter.c:342:45: error: âURL_WRONLYâ undeclared (first use in this function)\n<Sagitt> che razza di errore é?\n<naxil> ciao ragazzi\n<naxil> ieri ho fatto un piccolo batch. chiamato a.sh\n<naxil> ora pero ha un lucchetto sopra.. e non posso piu avviarlo\n<Ryccardo> uhmm, vediamo\n<naxil> cosa e' successo?\n<Ryccardo> l'hai scritto da terminale o da GUI?\n<naxil> terminale\n<naxil> usando gedit pero\n<Ryccardo> magari stavi usando sudo?\n<naxil> ma i permessi chmod come li vedo? per ogni file?\n<Ryccardo> vai nella sua cartella e fai `ls -l` :)\n<Ryccardo> o direttamente `ls -l /percorso/al/file`\n<naxil> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 90 2012-05-20 19:17 wiiflow.sh\n<naxil> ecco quindi devo ridurre i privilegi al file..\n<Ryccardo> ecco, è di proprietà di root (anche se dovresti comunque poterlo usare in sola lettura)\n<Carlin0> man chown\n<Ryccardo> Carlin0: ma quale man, dovrebbero saperlo tutti a memoria :p\n<Carlin0> Ryccardo, io per sopraggiunti problemi di età ho la memoria corta e ogni tanto lo consulto lol\n<naxil> io manco lo sapevo. ora ho capito grazie\n<naxil> cmq ragazzi ho un problemino di kernel mi sa. all'avvio mi dice qualche cosa.. ma non faccio in tempo a vedere..\n<Ryccardo> con ctrl+alt+f1 torni sulla console, poi scorri con ctrl (o era shift?) e pagsu/paggiù\n<Ryccardo> se non ti basta c'è il syslog\n<Ryccardo> per tornare su X (ctrl+)alt+f5/f6/f7/f8 in base a quante tty hai\n<naxil> scusate cosa sono le tty?\n<naxil> c'e' nessuno che usa il dualmonitor per favore?\n<Ryccardo> sarebbero i terminali \"standard\" (al contrario di quelli che apri in una finestra con xterm, Konsole e simili) -- li attivi premendo ctrl+alt+f1 per il primo, f2 per il secondo⦠dopo l'ultimo c'è l'interfaccia grafica\n<naxil2> a ecco\n<naxil2> perche ho premuto ed ho dovuto riavviare\n<Ryccardo> ?\n<naxil2> si sono entrate nel tty1\n<naxil2> e poi non sono riuscito a tornare su gnome\n<naxil2> ho scritto gnome-panel ma mi diceva errore gtk\n<bodo_> sera!\n<Ryccardo> per tornare alla GUI devi ripremere quei tasti ma con f5/f6/f7/eccetera :)\n<naxil2> mmm non riprovo\n<naxil2> Ryccardo usi il dual monitor?\n<Ryccardo> noâ¦\n<naxil2> usi gnome?\n<Ryccardo> neanche :)\n<Ryccardo> xfce\n<Ryccardo> (con un pentium 3 te le sogni le ultime versioni dei DE \"di punta\")\n<naxil2> ma perche nessuno usa gnome? e' cosi brutto?\n<naxil2> a ecco\n<naxil2> ma anche io ho 1gb di ram..\n<bodo_> io ho un problema quando avvio l'installazione del 12.04 il monitor si spegne e mi appare l'avviso hdmi fuori campo o qualcosa del genere invece la versione 10.04 non m dà problemi da cosa può essere causato?\n<Ryccardo> non parliamo di KDE che ha messo l'indicizzazione dei file ed un'UI orrenda, altro che la serie 3.x\n<naxil2> forse potrei mettere un pannello piu leggero? ma poi tutto funziona ugualmente? programmi vari?\n<Ryccardo> naxil2: in quanto a compatimilità no problem, ci sono le librerie\n<naxil2> a quindi puoi usare un \"programma\" per gnome con la tua grafica?\n<naxil2> e come faccio a passare da xfce?\n<Ryccardo> sì, il primo programma per KDE che provi ad installare ti dirà che richiede \"libqt\" ed altri 50 pacchetti con un nome simile, le librerie QT sono (di fatto) \"la grafica di kde\"\n<Ryccardo> lo installi da un package manager, ma non sono sicuro che ci sia su ubuntu (è da un po' che sto provando debian)\n<naxil2> ma ubuntu e' una mod di debian?\n<Ryccardo> è basato su debian, ma si considerano di fatto due cose separate (sono gestiti da team diversi e soprattutto Ubuntu è \"il Debian collaudato e preconfigurato\")\n<naxil2> oi\n<naxil2> ok io vorrei capire perche la mia tastiera e' segata. non riesco ad usare il tastierino come numeri. anche con numpad. senza numpad mi muove il mouse\n<bodo_> io ho un problema quando avvio l'installazione del 12.04 il monitor si spegne e mi appare l'avviso hdmi fuori campo o qualcosa del genere invece la versione 10.04 non m dà problemi da cosa può essere causato?\n<Ryccardo> naxil2: per il \"muove il mouse\" controlla nelle impostazioni la parte sull'accessibilità \n<Ryccardo> bodo_: centra PROBABILMENTE con la configurazione di X, ma non saprei bene\n<Ryccardo> aspè, \"installazione\"\n<naxil2> grazie ryccardo\n<bodo_> non sò cosa sia x comunque lo devo istallare da zero\n<Ryccardo> X è il fondamento dell'interfaccia grafica, ma appunto non si sarebbe ancora attivata in quel momento\n<bodo_> ah ok\n<Ryccardo> anche sui pc a scuola abbiamo avuto un problema simile (anche se erano coi cavi vga, colpa del monitor scarso)\n<bodo_> eppure la versione precedente me la installa senza problemi 10.4 o 10.10\n<Ryccardo> proverei a passare al kernel gli argomenti per andare con e senza il framebuffer (rispettivamente \"vga=normal\" e \"fb800x600\") ma non ricordo come si faccia\n<DAMN3dg1rl> creare una partizione estesa con il partizionatore dell'installatore kubuntu, per infilarci delle logiche dentro, come lo facciO?\n<Ryccardo> DAMN3dg1rl: crei le logiche direttamente se ricordo bene\n<DAMN3dg1rl> uhm\n<DAMN3dg1rl> buono\n<DAMN3dg1rl> e la dimensione da creare per le partizioni è espressa in che unità di misura?\n<Carlin0> bodo_, se arrivi alla prima schermata prova le opzioni che offre F6\n<DAMN3dg1rl> Ryccardo, ne hai idea?\n<Carlin0> DAMN3dg1rl, io credo che tu debba creare prima l'estesa e poi le logiche al suo interno\n<Ryccardo> MB, ma puoi proprio scrivere \"123 GB\" e te l'accetta\n<bodo_> ok io riesco a visualizzare la prima schermata dove cìè scritto installa ubuntu e altre cose devo provare li?\n<Carlin0> bodo_, si\n<DAMN3dg1rl> ti ringrazio\n<naxil2_> come faccio a dividere lo spazio di lavoro in 2 cosi da poter spostare le finestre da una parte all'altra?\n<bodo_> ok il problema è che lo devo installare su questo pc al massimo entro dopo con il portatile grazie per l'aiuto!\n<elio_> buonasera! Avevo un piccolo problema con il Mouse........non riesco a fargli fare lo scrool con la rotellina centrale!\n<DAMN3dg1rl> niente., non riesco a scegliere di creare logiche\n<elio_> per essere più chiaro se provo semplicemente a girare la rotellina funziona e quindi riesco a spostarmi nelle pagine, se invece voglio utilizzare la rotellina come un vero e proprio \"pulsante\" e fare poi lo scroll muovendo il mouse non riesco!\n<DAMN3dg1rl> credo ci sia qualcosa di strano\n<Ryccardo> DAMN3dg1rl: mh, che programma usi per partizionare? con cfdisk non ho mai avuto problemi, nemmeno con quello integrato nell'\"installazione esperti\"\n<DAMN3dg1rl> Ryccardo, quello della live\n<Carlin0> crea prima l'estesa\n<Ryccardo> gparted immagino?\n<DAMN3dg1rl> Carlin0, manca l'opzione\n<DAMN3dg1rl> Ryccardo, penso sia partitionmanager\n<Carlin0> installa gparted\n<naxil2_> Carlin0 ce l'ho fatta!!!!!\n<naxil2_> finalmente ho capito\n<naxil2_> alleluja\n<naxil2_> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<naxil2> Carlin0, vieni in chat che ti dico\n<DAMN3dg1rl> Carlin0, sono su live\n<Carlin0> DAMN3dg1rl, lo so ma puoi installarlo lo stesso\n<elio_> buonasera! Avevo un piccolo problema con il Mouse........non riesco a fargli fare lo scrool con la rotellina centrale! per essere più chiaro se provo semplicemente a girare la rotellina funziona e quindi riesco a spostarmi nelle pagine, se invece voglio utilizzare la rotellina come un vero e proprio \"pulsante\" e fare poi lo scroll muovendo il mouse non riesco!\n#ubuntu-it 2012-05-22\n<Carlin0> buonanotte\n<SFREGIO> ue come lo installo photoshop su linux\n<glpiana> ola\n<doubler7> ola glpiana\n<glpiana> ola doubler7\n<doubler7> http://imagebin.org/213364 e http://imagebin.org/213365 lol\n<doubler7> mentre caricava le anteprima dei divx nell'harddisk ntfs esterno\n<glpiana> doubler7, mantieni il sistema aggiornato e prima o poi i crash termineranno\n<glpiana> doubler7, hai riprovato ed è andato ancora in crash?\n<doubler7> glpiana, una volta..s+ freezzato\n<Best`> Buuooooonggioooornooooooo!\n<Best`> ops\n<doubler7> sè+\n<Best`> scuste\n<Best`> buondi!\n<pac> buongiorno\n<glpiana> doubler7, comincia ad aggiornare il sistema che c'è un aggiornamento del kernel\n<doubler7> bonsciurn bestpac\n<doubler7> ok\n<pac> stamattina 12.04 mi ha riscontrato un errore interno e la stampante è inutilizzabile\n<pac> purtroppo non riesco a copiare tutte le voci del crash per informarvi meglio\n<glpiana> pac, nel terminale: ps aux | grep cups\n<glpiana> pac, per le info del crash puoi prender ele immagini\n<pac> ho provato a tronare alla versione previous dove mio trovo ora ma niente\n<glpiana> !image | pac\n<ubot-it> pac: Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<glpiana> !paste | pac\n<ubot-it> pac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<glpiana> torno subito (reboot)\n<pac> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1000335/\n<glpiana> pac, hai già postato qualcosa?\n<pac> glpiana: http://imagebin.org/213369\n<pac> glpiana: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1000335/\n<glpiana> pac, ps aux | grep ijs\n<pac> glpiana: http://imagebin.org/213370\n<pac> glpiana: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1000338/\n<glpiana> pac, nel terminale scrivi: ijs_server_epsonpl\n<glpiana> pac, poi riprova la stampante\n<pac> glpiana: pasquale@pasquale-System-Product-Name:~$ ijs_server_epsonpl ijs_server_epsonpl: command not found pasquale@pasquale-System-Product-Name:~$\n<glpiana> pac, sì, mancava una e: ijs_server_epsonepl\n<pac> glpiana: comando dato cursore lampeggiante stampante ancora inattiva\n<glpiana> pac, sul browser come indirizzo metti: localhost:631\n<pac> glpiana: ok\n<glpiana> pac, vai su amministrazione e poi clicca su gestisci stampanti\n<pac> glpiana: ok\n<glpiana> pac, la vedi elencata?\n<pac> glpiana: si\n<glpiana> pac, cliccaci sopra e poi dimmi cosa c'è tra èarentesi di fianco al nome della stampante\n<glpiana> *parentesi\n<pac> glpiana: (Processing, Accepting Jobs, Not Shared, Server Default)\n<glpiana> pac, clicca su maintenance e scegli \"cancel all jobs\" e dimmi cosa appare tra parentesi ora\n<pac> glpiana: EPSON-EPL-6200L EPSON-EPL-6200L Errore\n<glpiana> pac, maintenance -> print test page\n<pac> glpiana: EPSON-EPL-6200L (Processing, Accepting Jobs, Not Shared, Server Default)\n<pac> glpiana: non la stampa\n<glpiana> pac, e non fa nulla. ok\n<glpiana> pac, hai già riavviato il sistema, vero?\n<pac> glpiana: prima di chiedere un supporto si\n<glpiana> pac, allora prima di tutto scollega la stampante. spegnila e staccale l'alimentazione per almeno una decina di secondi\n<glpiana> pac, dopodichè riattaccala, accendila, e scrivi nel temrinale dmsg | tail e metti su pastebin\n<pac> glpiana: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1000354/\n<glpiana> sory, dmesg | tail\n<pac> glpiana: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1000357/\n<glpiana> pac, apri la gestione delle stampanti e prova astampare una pagina di prova\n<pac> g\n<pac> ok\n<pac> glpiana: ti ringrazio di cuore!\n<glpiana> :)\n<pac> glpiana: buona giornata!\n<glpiana> pac, la prossima volta che succede fai solo l'ultimo intervento, dovrebbe essere sufficiente\n<pac> glpiana: ma io spero non accada più! Cambia qualcosa se sono su previous?\n<glpiana> pac, previous? intendi che hai scelto un kernel precedente al boot?\n<pac> glpiana: si+\n<pac> glpiana: non va bene vero?\n<glpiana> pac, se il sistema funziona usalo pure, il motivo di questa scelta?\n<pac> glpiana: ma come dicevo prima non funzionando sua 12.04 ho provato sulla versione previous, ci sono probabilità che non funzioni se torno di la?\n<glpiana> pac, prova ad avviare ocn l'altro kernel e vediamo\n<glpiana> *con\n<pac> glpiana: ok\n<Best`> riavvio un'attimo :)\n<glpiana> Best`, grazie dell'informazione\n<pac> glpiana: funziona però mi sono dimenticato di copiare l'ultimo comando da tenere da parte per occasioni simili!\n<glpiana> pac, nessun comando, solo staccare e riattaccare la stampante\n<pac> glpiana: va bene quest non dovrei dimenticarlo! :-) di nuovo buona giornata!\n<dod> o/\n<glpiana> pac, altrettanto\n<tomahawk_> aoo\n<tomahawk_> gentaccia\n<tomahawk_> ce siete\n<glpiana> !nessuno | tomahawk_\n<ubot-it> tomahawk_: se nessuno parla in canale non significa che non ci siano utenti attivi. Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno vorrà rispondervi lo farà \n<glpiana> !enter | tomahawk_\n<ubot-it> tomahawk_: non spezzettare una frase su piu' righe. Non utilizzare il ritorno a capo come punteggiatura.\n<tomahawk_> oko\n<tomahawk> ma ogni tanto na stronzata se po di\n<tomahawk> no perchè me pare un mortorio\n<glpiana> !chat | tomahawk\n<ubot-it> tomahawk: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<glpiana> tomahawk, questo è un canale di supporto, non una chat\n<tomahawk> di supporto\n<tomahawk> infatti pe sopportave ce ne vole\n<glpiana> tomahawk, se hai un problema relativo a ubuntu esponilo. altrimenti sei pregato di no scrivere. grazie\n<glpiana> *non\n<dod> dicce cosa non te va' secce'. na riga sola me raccomanno.\n<glpiana> dod, per cortesia\n<dod> ok\n<tomahawk> oh Sant'Antonio mio!!!!!\n<alessio> glpiana, we ciao come va?? mi potresti gentilmente aiutare sempre per quei benedetti driver ati??\n<glpiana> alessio, fammi un sunto della situazione attuale\n<alessio> glpiana, se provo ad installare i driver aggiuntivi mi arriva quasi alla fine poi la barra di avanzamento va avanti e indietro per un po' e mi esce l'errore con il relativo file di log da guardare, mentre se installo i proprietari col .run preso dal sito dell'amd mi dice che vi sono gia dei driver installati e che prima devo rimuoverli se voglio installare quest'ultimi\n<glpiana> alessio, scrivi: dpkg -l | grep fglrx\n<glpiana> !paste | alessio\n<ubot-it> alessio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<alessio> glpiana, non mi da otput\n<alessio> *output\n<glpiana> alessio, locate fglrx\n<alessio> glpiana, /usr/share/app-install/desktop/fglrx-driver.desktop\n<alessio> /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_fglrx-installer.py\n<alessio> /usr/share/jockey/handlers/fglrx.py\n<glpiana> alessio, fa vedere l'output del gestore driver aggiuntivi\n<alessio> glpiana, L'installazione di questo driver non è riuscita.\n<alessio> Consultare i file di registro per maggiori informazioni: /var/log/jockey.log\n<glpiana> appunto, fa vedere /var/log/jockey.log\n<alessio> glpiana, ho fatto con cat forse è incompleto http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000392/\n<alessio> glpiana, ti posto quello completo con gedit\n<glpiana> alessio, no, non serve\n<glpiana> alessio, sei col kenrel 3.2 o col 3.4?\n<alessio> glpiana, con il 3.4\n<glpiana> alessio, -.- e lo hai preso da qualche parte o te lo sei compilato tu?\n<alessio> glpiana, l'ho preso da kernel.org\n<glpiana> alessio, e lo hai compilato tu\n<alessio> glpiana, ah no scusa ho preso solo i 3 file, all.deb/amd64.deb e un'altro\n<glpiana> alessio, dpkg -l | grep linux-image\n<alessio> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000398/\n<glpiana> alessio, scrivi: sudo apt-get install fglrx-updates fglrx-amdcccle-updates\n<glpiana> alessio, fa vedere che dice all afine\n<alessio> glpiana, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.4-precise/ ho preso i soliti 3 file\n<glpiana> *alla fine\n<alessio> glpiana, eh asp mo c'è il pacchetto danneggiato\n<glpiana> alessio, metti us pastebin l'errore\n<alessio> glpiana, devo andare in /usr/var/cache/apt e cancellarlo\n<alessio> glpiana, ora dice di dare un apt-get -f install perchè il pacchetto non è installato completamente\n<alessio> glpiana, però l'ho gia fatto ieri e alla fine mi dice che c'è un errore\n<glpiana> alessio, allora chiariamo una cosa: o mi mostri gli output che ti chiedo o non pretendere che io cerchi di aiutarti\n<alessio> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000401/\n<alessio> glpiana, te li mostro però ti ho detto che ho fatto la stessa cosa ieri e l'unica è stato cancellare quel file...\n<mikunos> Buongiorno a tutti\n<mikunos> come va?\n<alessio> glpiana, vai sono nelle tue mani ti posto solo gli output (era giusto per darti una mano nient'altro)\n<mikunos> sto sclerando nell'aggiornamento di UBUNTU all'ultima versione\n<alessio> mikunos, così così sto sclerando dietro sti benedetti driver ati :D\n<mikunos> ciao alessio\n<alessio> mikunos, perchè cosa ti dice??\n<glpiana> alessio, sudo apt-get purge fglrx\n<mikunos> che scheda hai?\n<alessio> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000405/\n<mikunos> glpiana alessio l'update manager si blocca all'avvio dell'aggiornamento\n<alessio> mikunos, mi sta gia aiutando glpiana grazie :D comunque ati 5650 hd radeon mobility\n<mikunos> alessio ok\n<alessio> mikunos, io ho risolto facendo un'installazione pulita del 12.04\n<glpiana> alessio, hai synaptic?\n<glpiana> mikunos, si blocca e cosa dice?\n<alessio> glpiana, si\n<glpiana> alessio, apri synaptic\n<mikunos> glpiana mi dice che devo inviare una segnalazione\n<glpiana> alessio, cerca fglrx e dimmi che pacchetti ti mostra come installati\n<glpiana> mikunos, senza dettagli?\n<mikunos> bug #967314\n<ubot-it> Launchpad bug 967314 in update-manager \"update-manager crashed with RuntimeError in error(): unable to get the value\" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967314\n<alessio> glpiana, appena apro il synaptic mi dice che c'è un pacchetto danneggiato, che sarebbe quel benedetto driver aggiuntivo\n<glpiana> alessio, e poi?\n<mikunos> glpiana l'errore è riportato nel bug site\n<glpiana> mikunos, ho visto. dammi l'output di cat /etc/apt/sources.list e di ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d\n<alessio> glpiana, comunque jockey-common, jockey-gtk, fglrx-amdcccle però ha un punto esclamativo rosso (che sarebbe quello danneggiato) e infine xserver-xorg-video-radeon,\n<glpiana> mikunos, su pastebin\n<glpiana> alessio, marca per la rimozione completa fglrx-amdcccle\n<alessio> glpiana, comunque cosa strana prima avevo anche il pacchetto fglrx ora invece no\n<alessio> glpiana, ok rimosso\n<mikunos> glpiana http://pastie.org/3948699\n<glpiana> alessio, chiudi synaptic\n<alessio> glpiana, ok\n<glpiana> alessio, riaprilo e dimmi se segnala ancora problemi\n<mikunos> glpiana http://pastie.org/3948703\n<alessio> glpiana, no il synaptic non segnala problemi (ovvio abbiamo rimosso il pacchetto danneggiato) :D\n<alessio> glpiana, ora??\n<glpiana> alessio, se era ovvio potevi afrlo tu prima. ora chiudi synaptic e scrivi: sudo apt-get clean\n<glpiana> mikunos, proviamo a levare sti repository che hai aggiunto. se proprio non ne puoi fare a meno li aggiungerai di nuovo in seguito\n<alessio> glpiana, eh ma prima mi hai detto di non prendere iniziative e di seguire le tue istruzioni, comunque dopo il clean??\n<glpiana> alessio, non coglionarmi\n<glpiana> alessio, sudo apt-get install fglrx-updates fglrx-amdcccle-updates\n<glpiana> mikunos, sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*\n<glpiana> mikunos, poi dai un sudo apt-get update\n<mikunos> ok\n<alessio> mhmhm buona stamane scarico a 829kb/s :D\n<mikunos> alessio: capperi cos'hai?\n<glpiana> mikunos, quando ha temrinato riavvia l'update-manager e vediamo se procede\n<mikunos> e da dove scarichi\n<mikunos> ok glpiana\n<glpiana> mikunos, per cortesia ste robe gliele chiedi in privato\n<mikunos> ok glpiana\n<alessio> mikunos, una penosissima alice 7mega =( qui dalle mie parti fastweb non prende sennò via di 20mb con soglia minima apprezzabile altro che alice che soglia minima in download è 1mb\n<mikunos> glpiana: errore\n<mikunos> chiusura inattesa di Gestore Aggiornamenti\n<alessio> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000414/\n<glpiana> mikunos, ridai sudo apt-get update e mostrami l'output\n<mikunos> glpiana http://minus.com/lBlFLLVUr29nk\n<glpiana> alessio, ls /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh\n<alessio> glpiana, /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh\n<glpiana> alessio, sudo /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh\n<alessio> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000415/\n<mikunos> glpiana http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000416/\n<alessio> mikunos, ti consiglio di levare medibuntu fa solo danni quando devi aggiornare\n<alessio> mikunos, tanto non servono quasi a niente quei pacchetti andrei ad usare proprio di rado quei tipi di file\n<alessio> *andrai\n<mikunos> ma ho eseguito il comando di cancellazione dei source che mi hai indicato\n<glpiana> alessio, dpkg -l | grep fglrx\n<glpiana> alessio, da qualcosa ora?\n<alessio> mikunos, il mio è solo un consiglio visto che tutti in rete dicono di avere problemi a fare l'upgrade ed è dovuto a medibuntu\n<alessio> glpiana, iU fglrx-amdcccle-updates 2:8.960-0ubuntu1 Catalyst Control Center for the AMD graphics accelerators\n<glpiana> alessio, sudo apt-get purge fglrx-amdcccle-updates\n<glpiana> mikunos, prova a fare come dice alessio, leva o commenta la riga di medibuntu\n<alessio> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000418/\n<glpiana> alessio, sudo mv /usr/share/ati /usr/share/ati_old\n<alessio> glpiana, non da output\n<glpiana> alessio, oki, lsmod | grep radeon\n<alessio> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000421/\n<glpiana> alessio, oki, ora riavvia il sistema e poi torna qui. però devi aspettare, torno tra un po'\n<alessio> glpiana, ok intanto leggo un po' di notizie poi quando torni sistemiamo, grazie 1000 per l'aiuto che mi stai dando :D\n<glpiana> alessio, hai riavviato?\n<alessio> glpiana, si si eccomi scusa\n<pac> scusate per i problemi relativi ai software va bene qui?\n<alessio> pac, credo di si di pure\n<glpiana> alessio, vai su driver aggiuntivi e vedi che dice\n<alessio> glpiana, attivo i proprietari??\n<alessio> glpiana, mi dice che nessun driver proprietario è in uso su questo sistema\n<glpiana> alessio, sì, vediamo se li mette. se da errore metti il log su pastebin\n<glpiana> alessio, sei su 3.4?\n<alessio> glpiana, si si ora lo sto compilando per i7\n<glpiana> alessio, riavvia in 3.2 e vedi che dice driver aggiuntivi\n<pac> i manuali di scribus fanno riferimento solo a vecchie versioni e non mi ci ritrovo con l'ultima disponibile. il problema riguarda l'allineamento delle caselle di testo alle griglie!\n<alessio> glpiana, ah ok asp vedo se va a buon fine l'installazione sul 3.4 e poi al massimo appena finisce di compilare vado sul 3.2\n<glpiana> ok\n<alessio> pac, sul sito di scribus dice che non è più supportato per linux e che si sono fermati alla versione 1.3.3.14\n<alessio> pac, prova a vedere se qualcuno offre una versione più aggiornata tramite ppa\n<pac> alessio: bene grazie\n<glpiana> scribus su pangolin è la 1.4\n<alessio> pac, se vuoi aggiungi questi ppa deb http://debian.scribus.net/debian/ oneiric main\n<alessio> deb http://debian.tagancha.org/debian/ oneiric main\n<alessio> pac, ma qui dice che potrebbero creare problemi e che non sono perfettamente stabili...a tuo rischio e pericolo quindi\n<glpiana> alessio, non consigliare repository esterni su questo canale\n<glpiana> alessio, e poi pac ha pangolin non oneiric\n<alessio> glpiana, ah ok scusa...comunque sono sul sito di scribus\n<alessio> glpiana, veramente non ha detto che versione di ubuntu ha\n<mikunos1> glpiana\n<alessio> glpiana, comunque 0 non è andata a buon fine\n<pac> alessio: grazie annullo!\n<mikunos1> glpiana non funziona l'aggiornamento\n<glpiana> alessio, l'ha detto prima relativamente a un altro problema\n<alessio> glpiana, ah ok scusa allora :D\n<glpiana> mikunos1, si blocca nello stesso modo?\n<mikunos1> si glpiana\n<glpiana> mikunos1, dai: sudo apt-get install --reinstall update-manager update-manager-core\n<glpiana> mikunos1, poi riprova\n<mikunos1> ok\n<mikunos1> glpiana errore, niente da fare\n<mikunos1> continua imperterrito\n<mikunos1> lasciamo stare.\n<mikunos1> mi sa che dovrò passare un giorno per reinstallare tutto\n<mikunos1> ricordi per caso la situazione dei 3 monitor?\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<mikunos1> sono solamente preoccupato perchè ho notato che la nuova versione non è che sia veramente stabile con i driver ATI\n<glpiana> mikunos1, usa i radeon\n<mikunos1> glpiana lasciamo stare ci ho perso le notti\n<glpiana> pac, per scribus, installa scribus-doc e poi richiami la documentazione con f1\n<alessio> glpiana, le guide di lffl sono proprio una chiavica guarda qua http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000496/\n<alessio> glpiana, http://www.lffl.org/2012/05/kernel-34-x64-corei3-i5-i7-guida-alla.html\n<alessio> glpiana, o e sempre colpa dei driver ati??\n<sberla> CIao, ho installato openjdk-7-jdk e quando compilo con javac usa la versione 7 mentre per eseguire con java usa la versione 6 causando errore ovviamente. Idee su come risolvere, per favore?\n<glpiana> sberla, nel terminale dpkg -l | grep openjdk\n<glpiana> !paste | sberla\n<ubot-it> sberla: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<sberla> glpiana: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000522/\n<glpiana> sberla, ora: update-alternatives --list java\n<glpiana> sempre su pastebin\n<sberla> glpiana: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000524/\n<sberla> vado con la seconda?\n<sberla> glpiana: la aggiorniamo ? :)\n<glpiana> sberla, sì, update-alternatives --config java\n<sberla> glpiana: ha funzionato grazie\n<glpiana> sberla, :)\n<sberla> glpiana: buona giornata.\n<glpiana> altrettanto\n<romeopapa> glpiana, ciao\n<romeopapa> glpiana, una domanda, ho notato un notevole rallentamento dell'esplora risorse con la 12.04, è normale?\n<newbie|4> ciao a tutti\n<cricido> posso con ubuntu creare un tinclient\n<cricido> ?\n<cricido> ho un hardware p3 128 mb di ram\n<glpiana> romeopapa, non l'ho notato\n<cricido> glpiana che consigli\n<cricido> lubuntu?\n<glpiana> cricido, non so cosa sia un tinclient\n<cricido> in pratica un pc che lancia il desktop remoto\n<cricido> per connettersi a un server\n<glpiana> cricido, thin client\n<cricido> ahhahaa\n<cricido> scusa\n<cricido> ahahha\n<cricido> scritto male\n<FloodBotIt2> cricido: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<glpiana> !ltsp | cricido dice enzotib\n<ubot-it> cricido dice enzotib: ltsp is http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/UbuntuLtsp\n<cricido> quello era della telecom ehhehe\n<romeopapa> glpiana, polesse un appesantimento generale? che fa \"pulizia del computer\"?\n<cricido> glpiana: ma esiste un iso oppure è il normale ubuntu con certi pacchetti\n<cricido> ?\n<glpiana> romeopapa, leva pacchetti inutilizzati, osboleti, esterni (quindi occhio a cosa rimuovi) e le configurazioni inutili\n<romeopapa> glpiana, sie...mi leva wine, virtualbox, chrome..., draftsigh...anche quelli non supportati\n<glpiana> romeopapa, e tu deseleziona quello che vuoi tenere\n<glpiana> romeopapa, ma poi mica sei costretto a usarlo\n<romeopapa> glpiana, infatti...\n<glpiana> cricido, leggi la guida, lo spiega\n<romeopapa> glpiana, c'è qualche altro controllo da fare?\n<glpiana> romeopapa, è una installazione nuova o un avanzamento?\n<romeopapa> avanzamento\n<glpiana> romeopapa, potresti resettare gnome allora\n<glpiana> romeopapa, che interfaccia usi?\n<romeopapa> glpiana, mmm bho, quella standard...di serie?\n<glpiana> romeopapa, la barra a sinistra?\n<romeopapa> glpiana, sisi\n<glpiana> romeopapa, la 3d o la 2d (si chiama unity sta interfaccia) ?\n<romeopapa> glpiana, si UNITY 3d credo, da dove lo vedo?\n<glpiana> romeopapa, apri un temrinale e scrivi: ps aux | grep unity-2d\n<glpiana> romeopapa, se non da niente è unity 3d\n<romeopapa> glpiana, incollo qui tanto è poca roba: 26048 0.0 0.0 9416 928 pts/1 S+ 12:13 0:00 grep --color=auto unity-2d\n<glpiana> romeopapa, oki, è unity-2d allora. dai prova un reset di gnome intanto così vedi se migliora la situazione. dimmi anche che scheda video hai\n<glpiana> !gnomereset | romeopapa\n<ubot-it> romeopapa: Per resettare gnome alle sue impostazioni di default rinominare le cartelle nascoste nella propria home .gnome2 .config .gconf .gconfd .gnome2_private con un nome a piacere, ad esempio .gnome2.bk e riavviare la sessione\n<romeopapa> glpiana, è un portatile con nvidia geforce g210m da 512 mb\n<glpiana> romeopapa, driver nouveau o proprietari?\n<romeopapa> glpiana, che domande difficili stamani!\n<glpiana> romeopapa, lol: lsmod | grep nvidia\n<romeopapa> glpiana, nulla...non dice nulla\n<glpiana> romeopapa, lsmod | grep nouveau\n<romeopapa> glpiana, è nouveau!\n<glpiana> romeopapa, oki. hai rinominato le directory?\n<romeopapa> spe lo fo\n<romeopapa> glpiana, fatto, riavvio\n<glpiana> romeopapa, basta terminare sessione e rientrare\n<romeopapa> glpiana, sisi lo so, avevo XP su virtuabox...sta facendo gli aggiornamenti...\n<AlexTux> salve ragazzi, qualcuno di voi ha mai usato compizconfig-settings-manager?\n<romeopapa> glpiana, approfitto...per quello che ho capito wine non funziona con programmi tipo database\n<romeopapa> ti risulta?\n<romeopapa> ci sono novità ?\n<jester-> !ccsm\n<ubot-it> Per abilitare effetti visivi aggiuntivi personalizzabili in Ubuntu: installa 'compizconfig-settings-manager' o 'simple-ccsm'. Dopo l'installazione apparirà la relativa icona in Sistema Preferenze - Vedi anche !compiz - Aiuto in #compiz-fusion\n<glpiana> romeopapa, non uso wine\n<romeopapa> glpiana, fai bene! mi tocca windows per 1 solo programma di lavoro che non funge su wine\n<AlexTux> jester-, sì lo so, ho solo una domanda specifica, quando provo ad abilitare le finestre tremolanti parla di un altro sw, snapping windows che va disabilitato per attivare questo effetto, volevo sapere cosa è e se è capitato anche a voi\n<glpiana> AlexTux, alcuni plugin non sono compatibili con altri. tutto lì. se usi come interfaccia unity ti sconsiglio di smanazzare ccsm\n<AlexTux> glpiana, andrei più sicuro con gnome dici?\n<glpiana> AlexTux, no, ti sconsiglio di toccarlo perchè rischi di mandare in palla gnome. se poi no puoi fare a meno delle finestre tremolanti sono la persona sbagliata per aiutarti\n<AlexTux> glpiana, no assolutamente, era giusto per provare\n<glpiana> AlexTux, per provare e non fare danni usa una sessione ospite\n<glpiana> se proprio devi\n<jester-> AlexTux: apri ccsm e metti la spunta si ciofeca finestre tremolanti\n<AlexTux> glpiana, a quello ci avevo già pensato :p\n<AlexTux> jester-, fino a lì c'ero arrivato, ma non so cosa sia snapping windows e volevo sapere\n<OverMe> AlexTux, sono le finestre che si appiccicano ai bordi del desktop\n<AlexTux> OverMe, quindi eventualmente niente bordi adesivi, mille grazie!\n<mizusan> ciao, ad ogni accesso ubuntu 12.04 mi dice che non ho sbloccato le chiavi e mi chiede la psw. E' normale? si può fare qualcosa?\n<glpiana> mizusan, sì, resetta le password del portachiavi. sai come fare?\n<mizusan> glpiana, no\n<glpiana> mizusan, apri password e chiavi\n<mizusan> glpiana, fatto\n<glpiana> mizusan, vedi una voce elncata?\n<glpiana> *elencata\n<mizusan> glpiana, si password:login\n<glpiana> mizusan, tasto destro -> delete\n<glpiana> poi quando ti richiederà la password per il portachiavi la lasci in bianco\n<mizusan> glpiana, ok grazie\n<TaLaDo> dove mette i filmati di youtube che una volta metteva in /tmp ?\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, li stipa in .mozilla/firefox/qualcosa.default/Cache/ e poi in giro per le sottodirectory\n<TaLaDo> che fregatura\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, difficile reperirli comunque, ma ci sono alternative\n<TaLaDo> glpiana, quali?\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, un plugin per firefox che si chiama download helper, oppure il programma minitube\n<TaLaDo> glpiana, ora cerco\n<TaLaDo> grazie\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, minitube è nei repo, il plugin di firefox lo trovi sul sito mozilla tra gli addon\n<TaLaDo> ok\n<timoty> salve\n<timoty> sto utilizzando ubuntu 12.04 e remmina per connettermi in desktop remoto attraverso VNC ad un'altra macchina che ha installata la 11.10\n<timoty> quando provo a scrivere un testo sulla 11.10 la tastiera risulta configurata in inglese piuttosto che in italiano\n<timoty> qualcuno mi sa dire come fare per configurarla correttaemnte?\n<glpiana> timoty, prova a cliccare sul tasto delle impostazioni e vai nella scheda rdp. imposta la tastiera e vedi se funziona\n<glpiana> timoty, oppure metti la spunta a \"usare la disposizione di tastiera del client\"\n<timoty> glpiana: già fatto e non ha prodotto effetti (anche perché credo sia destinato al protocollo RDP)\n<mizusan> ciao, meTV non trova dispositivi dvb inseriti, pasto lsusb prima e dopo http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1000694/\n<glpiana> timoty, sto facendo delle prove\n<timoty> glpiana: grazie\n<mizusan> glpiana, sono ancora io, ME TV non trova dispositivi dvb inseriti, pasto lsusb prima e dopo http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1000694/\n<glpiana> timoty, sto provando con vnc network computing. usi quello?\n<timoty> sì\n<timoty> glpiana: sì\n<glpiana> timoty, sto provando tra due 12.04 e la tastiera funziona correttamente. è impostata come tastiera italiana su entrambi i pc?\n<timoty> glpiana: sì è italiana su entrambi ma sono una 12.04 e una 11.10\n<timoty> glpiana: non due 12.04\n<glpiana> timoty, se quando ti connetti al pc con 11.10 vai su impostazioni di sistema -> layout di tastiera, cosa vedi elencato a sinistra?\n<alessio> glpiana, we ciao rieccomi ho rimosso tutti i kernel tranne il 3.2 continuiamo con i driver??\n<glpiana> alessio, sì. te li mostra ora il gestore dei driver aggiuntivi?\n<alessio> glpiana, si ma anche prima me li mostrava...comunque...li installo da li allora??\n<glpiana> alessio, sì installali e nel caso non andassero su metti il log su pastebin\n<timoty> glpiana: a sinistra? Italiana\n<glpiana> timoty, e solo quella?\n<timoty> glpiana: si' solo quella\n<alessio> glpiana, incredibileeeeeeeeeee evvaiiiiiiiiiii\n<alessio> glpiana, ti adoro :D\n<glpiana> lol\n<alessio> glpiana, se voglio installarli sul 3.4 ottimizzato per i7 come devo fare?? rimuovo prima questi e poi li installo??\n<glpiana> alessio, non so dirtelo\n<glpiana> timoty_, il problema è sia nel terminale che negli applicativi?\n<alessio> glpiana, ok dai faccio la prova sicuramente erano gli altri kernel che combinavano danni ne avevo 8 pensa un po' :D\n<alessio> glpiana, grazie ancora :D\n<alessio> glpiana, ti faccio sapere come va a finire :D\n<carlo> ciao a tutti, per sbaglio ho tolto la spunta ll opzione \"abilita reti senza fili\" (o qualcosa del genere) dal menù a tendina che esce cliccando sull icona del wifi in alto a destra........ora non riesco più a far partire il wifi xkè mi è stata congelata l'opzione \"abilitare reti senza fili\".......cosa posso fare? ovviamente adesso sto scrivendo da windoz, dato che da ubuntu non posso collegarmi\n<timoty> glpiana: a quale terminale fai riferimento? ad xterm o alla console senza X?\n<Drizamanuber> ho problemi con l'istallazione della mail di yahoo su evolution\n<glpiana> xterm\n<timoty> no anche xterm ha lo stesso problema\n<glpiana> Drizamanuber, http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?t=310471\n<Drizamanuber> glpiana: ho visto le istruzioni, ma non riesco a trovare dove mettere la spunta\n<glpiana> timoty, spiacente ma non trovo nulla al riguardo, e nemmeno come parrare l'ozpione al comando\n<timoty> glpiana: forse questo potrà aiutare. Ho provato a fare la connessione al contrario da 11.10 a 12.04 (usando visualizzatore di scrivanie remote Vinagre) stesso protocollo ma direzione inversa e mi dice si è verficato un errore connessione all'host impossibile. Secondo te perché? E' un problema di firewall\n<glpiana> timoty, hai il firewall attivo?\n<glpiana> Drizamanuber, io non ho un account yahoo quindi non posso controllare cosa appare nelle opzioni\n<timoty> glpiana: come posso controllare se ho il firewall attivo? In ssh mi connetto tra le due macchine senza problemi\n<Drizamanuber> glpiana: capisco, grazie comunqeu\n<glpiana> timoty, allora, di default non lo è, quindi se è attivo lo hai attivato tu. scrivi in un terminale: sudo iptables -L\n<glpiana> Drizamanuber, ma se vuoi vediamo, campo per campo la tu aocnfigurazione di evolution\n<Drizamanuber> ok\n<timoty> glpiana: le tre catene sono tutte e tre vuote\n<glpiana> Drizamanuber, però devi dirmi tu i vari campi perchè non ho nemmeno evolution :)\n<Drizamanuber> ok glpiana\n<glpiana> timoty, quindi niente firewall. hai configurato su 12.04 l'accesso da remoto?\n<Drizamanuber> glpiana: nella pagina delle identità ho inserito la mia mail di yahoo\n<timoty> glpiana: non mi ricordo ora controllo\n<glpiana> Drizamanuber, completo di @yahoo.com/it ?\n<Drizamanuber> glpiana: nella pagina delle ricezioni ho messo POP - pop3.yahoo.com e come nome utente ....@yahoo.it cifratura ssl, sì nella identità ho messo ....@yahoo.it\n<glpiana> Drizamanuber, cmabia pop3 con pop.mail.yahoo.com\n<glpiana> *cambia\n<Drizamanuber> glpiana: ci ho già provato ma non funziona lo stesso\n<Drizamanuber> adesso ritento\n<Drizamanuber> mi dice che è impossibile connettersi errore nell'inviare la password\n<timoty> glpiana: non l'avevo configurato, dopo averlo fatto mi connetto e la tastiera da 11.10 a 12.04 funziona bene il contrario no :-(\n<glpiana> timoty, non capisco a cosa possa essere dovuto. hai provato anche con altri client?\n<timoty> no, non ho provato\n<glpiana> Drizamanuber, e se togli la cifratura?\n<Drizamanuber> glpiana: sto facendo prorpio quello\n<glpiana> timoty, prova ad esempio con xvnc4viewer\n<timoty> glpiana: pensavo che il client di default funzionasse meglio del precedente persente nella 11.10\n<avici> ciao a tutti\n<Drizamanuber> glpiana: l'host deve essere per forza .com=\n<glpiana> Drizamanuber, perchè?\n<Drizamanuber> perchè uso yahoo in italiano\n<avici> qualcuno se ne intende di QtEmu??? ho cercato sul software center virtual machine manager e mi ha fatto scaricare quel QtEmu\n<Drizamanuber> glpiana: per ora ci rinuncio, provo questa sera\n<glpiana> Drizamanuber, prova a mettere come account solo il nome senza @yahoo.it\n<glpiana> avici, cosa vorresti virtualizzare?\n<avici> un altro os\n<glpiana> avici, usa virtualbox allora\n<glpiana> !virtualbox\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Virtualizzazione/VirtualBox\n<avici> ok thank's provo\n<avici> glpiana, sfrutta la virtualizzazione kvm virtualbox?\n<Drizamanuber> glpiana: le ho già provate tutte, sto impazzendo\n<glpiana> avici, non credo\n<avici> uhm\n<avici> ho preso il pc nuovo con la cpu ke lo supporta apposta\n<glpiana> avici, allora guarda qui http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Virtualizzazione/Qemu\n<m1t0> avici: non ho capito che tipo di problema riscontri con qemu\n<avici> m1t0 adesso sto leggendo la guida di qemu\n<glpiana> m1t0, non penso ne riscontri ancora visto che non l'ha usato\n<avici> m1t0 io avevo cercato virtual machine manager e mi ha fatto scaricare qtemu\n<glpiana> che è una interfaccia per qemu\n<avici> ho provato ad installare un os ma quando facevo partire mi diceva An error has occurred. This may have been caused by an incorrect setting. The error is qemu: -disable-kvm: invalid option\n<m1t0> avici: devi controllare se hai i moduli corretti caricati\n<glpiana> avici, non esiste quella opzione. al massimo c'è -enable-kvm\n<avici> glpiana non lo so, ho copiato l'errore ke mi ha dato\n<glpiana> avici, oki, ma come hai avviato la macchina?\n<avici> nella configurazione mi chiedeva: disk immage fortmat e posso scegliere tra native immage(qcow); raw image (img); VMWWAREimage (vmd)\n<avici> nn capisco xo xke nn mi chiede il percorso dell file .iso (nel mio caso ke lo installero da un .iso)\n<m1t0> avici: devi controllare bene che sia abilitato il supporto a kvm su qemu\n<avici> ieri seguendo 1 guida mi diceva : Successivamente, caricare i moduli kvm e kvm-intel se si possiede un processore Intel (estensione VT-x) # modprobe kvm # modprobe kvm-intel\n<avici> e scrivendoli su terminale nn succedeva niente\n<avici> non mi dava nessun output\n<m1t0> avici: e' corretto\n<glpiana> avici, lsmod | grep kvm\n<m1t0> vedi se ci sono con lsmod\n<m1t0> esatto\n<avici> ok\n<avici> copio qui: kvm_intel 61643 0 kvm 383910 1 kvm_intel\n<glpiana> avici, io ti consiglierei di usare direttamente qemu da riga di comando invece ella interfaccia in modo da sapere chiaramente che opzioni gli dai in pasto\n<glpiana> a dopo\n<avici> quindi mi consigli di seguire la guida che mi hai dato prima?\n<avici> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Virtualizzazione/Qemu\n<m1t0> avici: assolutamente si\n<avici> ma una volta installata attraverso la riga di comando posso usarla tramite interfaccia?\n<m1t0> avici: in piu' probabilmente devi abilitare il vt-x dal bios\n<avici> quello lo ho fatto m1t0\n<m1t0> avici: bene\n<m1t0> avici: se intendi avviare il sistema con grafice, certamente puoi farlo\n<avici> il fatto è ke nn credo che riuscirò ad usare tramite riga di comando\n<avici> finche è da installare e configurare ke seguo 1 guida ok\n<avici> ma se devo utilizzarlo una volta installato da riga di comando nn ne sarei in grado\n<timoty> glpiana: ho installato sia vinagre e anch'esso imposta la tastiera inglese, mentre xvnc4viewers non ho capito come si usa\n<timoty> glpiana: xvnc4viewers si lancia da riga di comando_\n<avici> m1t0 un altra cosa, su quella guida che mi ha passato glpiana dice:Per emulare sistemi X86_64 sostituire il comando qemu visto nel paragrafo Utilizzo con qemu-system-x86_64.\n<timoty> glpiana: xvnc4viewers si lancia da riga di comando?\n<avici> quindi ad esempio al posto del comando qemu -hda disco-test.img -cdrom nome_immagine.iso -m 192 -boot d scriverò qemu-system-x86_64 -hda disco-test.img -cdrom nome_immagine.iso -m 192 -boot d\n<avici> ?\n<Cyber_Orange> ciao a tutti. ho provato ad installare ubuntu 12.04 sul notebook hp pavilion g6 series ma la schermata diventa nera e il computer sembra ibernato\n<m1t0> avici: si\n<avici> ok\n<m1t0> avici: hai installato qemu-kvm-extras. ?\n<avici> si m1t0\n<Cyber_Orange> guarda non ho nemmeno fatto partire l'installazione\n<Cyber_Orange> ah m1t0 stavi parlando con avici\n<m1t0> Cyber_Orange: si\n<k41s3r80> ciao a tutti\n<k41s3r80> qualcuno potrebbe aiutarmi?\n<k41s3r80> sono novizio con irc\n<m1t0> k41s3r80: inizia bene! non chiedere di poter chiedere, ma chiedi e basta! :P\n<k41s3r80> grazie\n<k41s3r80> che differenza c'è tra gli utenti con il pallino verde ed il resto?\n<glpiana> k41s3r80, questo canale è dedicato al supporto di ubutnu\n<glpiana> !chat | k41s3r80\n<ubot-it> k41s3r80: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<k41s3r80> grazie\n<glpiana> timoty, scrivi xvnc4viewer nel terminale\n<avici> m1t0 e glpiana ho seguito la guida ma nn ha funzionato qualcosa\n<glpiana> avici, spiega\n<avici> allora....ho aperto qemu\n<avici> e gia in quella specie di terminale che si è aperta c'è qlc che nn va\n<timoty> glpiana: fatto mi chiede il server ci metto l'ip?\n<m1t0> qlc lol bellissimo\n<avici> mi da dei bot failed\n<avici> nn so come copiaverlo xo,nn riesco a copiare da li\n<glpiana> timoty, sì\n<glpiana> avici, da terminale?\n<avici> glpiana, no , non riesco a copiare quello che mi dice quando si apre qemu\n<glpiana> !image | avici\n<ubot-it> avici: Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<timoty> glpiana: fatto, sfortunatamente non cambia nulla. Sempre con il layout della tastiera in inglese\n<glpiana> timoty, un secondo che vedo\n<avici> glpiana: http://imagebin.org/213424\n<glpiana> avici, dai il percorso cmpleto quando specifichi la iso?\n<glpiana> timoty, nulla, non trovo niente che possa risolvere la cosa\n<m1t0> avici: e' soltanto un problema di path sicuramente, il sistema dice chiaramente qual'e' il problema\n<timoty> glpiana: grazie lo stesso\n<avici> glpiana io come comando ho scritto: cruck@home:~$ qemu-img create VM1.img 10G , poi qemu-system-x86_64 -hda VM1.img -cdrom BT5R1-GNOME-64.iso -m 1024 -boot c\n<Ecila> Ciao a tutti! Avrei bisogno di una mano. La versione di ubuntu che ho al momento è la 10.04, mi è stato consigliato di aggiornarla. Come fare?\n<samba_> ciao, avrei bisogno di modificare il file gtkrc-3.0 in modo che il font size per le applicazioni tipo gedit / geany usino ad esempio il font \"ubuntu\" e font-size=8\n<samba_> quale file devo modificare e con quale stringa devo mettere ?\n<samba_> Ecila, per aggiornare dai il comando update-manager -d\n<samba_> !upgrade | Ecila\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'upgrade'\n<samba_> !update | Ecila\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'update'\n<Ecila> ma non senza perdere i dati?\n<enzotib> Ecila, l'aggiornamento da 10.04 a 12.04 sarà possibile dopo la prima milestone: 12.04.1\n<enzotib> (a meno di usare sotterfugi)\n<Ecila> mm... ovvero?\n<samba_> (non è così devastante)\n<samba_> ma è meglio aspettare che sia stabile\n<enzotib> Ecila, che devi aspettare ancora\n<samba_> più stabile di adesso\n<Ecila> Ma passare ad una versione successiva anche di poco?\n<Ecila> il mio problema adesso è che riesco a collegarmi solo col cavo ethernet\n<Ecila> le wifi non le rileva\n<enzotib> Ecila, poi dovrai fare tutti i passaggi intermedi, ovvero 10.10, 11.04, 11.10 e finalmente 12.04\n<Ecila> e come si fanno i suddetti passaggi?\n<samba_> enzotib, no, non e' vero\n<samba_> io ho fatto un passaggio unico dal portatile dove ti scrivo\n<samba_> 10.04 -> 12.04\n<enzotib> samba_, non è supportato, quindi sconsigliato, poi un può fare quello che vuole, anche passare da ubuntu a mint\n<enzotib> samba_, 10.04 -> 12.04 si può fare perché sono entrambe LTS\n<samba_> lo so\n<enzotib> ma non lo proporrà fino a quando uscirà la 12.04.01\n<samba_> e credo che il passaggio da una LTS all'altra sia più che supportato\n<samba_> altrimenti tutti i server ubuntu non andrebbero avanti\n<enzotib> samba_, dipende da cosa intendevi per \"non è vero\"\n<samba_> non voglio fare discussioni, con \"non è vero\" volevo dire che è possibile fare un passaggio dalla 10 alla 12\n<samba_> solo quello\n<enzotib> samba_, siamo d'accordo, io dicevo a Ecila che se vuole passare a 10.10 poi si trova costretto a fare tutti i passaggi\n<samba_> ok\n<Ecila> e quindi? cosa consigliate?\n<enzotib> Ecila, aspettare, oppure passare a 10.10\n<enzotib> Ecila, oppure installare direttamente 12.04 da zero\n<Ecila> e se passo a 10.10 poi dovrò fare tutti i passaggi, versione per versione, giusto?\n<enzotib> Ecila, sì\n<Ecila> dai, non bisogna avere troppe pretese\n<Ecila> mi basta che vada internet wifi\n<Ecila> posso fare l'aggiornamento senza perdere i dati, giusto?\n<enzotib> Ecila, ma perché non va il wifi? che scheda hai?\n<Ecila> scheda?\n<Ecila> scusate, ma state parlando con una persona che non se ne intende affatto...\n<Ecila> mi piace l'etica di ubuntu, e per questo l'ho fatto installare, ma le mie conoscenze tecniche si fermano presto\n<enzotib> Ecila, lspci | grep Network\n<Ecila> enzotib ?\n<enzotib> Ecila, sai cos'è un terminale?\n<Ecila> sì\n<Ecila> ovvero, so come vi si accede\n<Ecila> devo dare quel comando sul terminale?\n<enzotib> Ecila, sì\n<Ecila> enzotib 04:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)\n<enzotib> Ecila, benissimo, dpkg -l | egrep 'b43|bcm'\n<Ecila> ii bcmwl-kernel-source 5.60.48.36+bdcom-0ubuntu3 Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driver so\n<Ecila> ii bcmwl-modaliases 5.60.48.36+bdcom-0ubuntu3 Modaliases for the Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA\n<enzotib> Ecila, sudo apt-get purge bcmwl-kernel-source bcmwl-modaliases && sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer\n<enzotib> Ecila, NON incollare qui l'output\n<Ecila> no no\n<Ecila> sembra abbia finito\n<enzotib> Ecila, sudo iwconfig (su pastebin)\n<enzotib> !pastebin | Ecila\n<ubot-it> Ecila: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Ecila> enzotib http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000889/\n<Ecila> Anzi, mi sa che sta continuando\n<naxil2> ciao a tutti\n<naxil2> mi serve una mano con uno script\n<naxil2> dovrei fare uno script che attiva shutdown o \"disconnetti\" controllando il valore del bandwith di pp0\n<glpiana> naxil2, non c'è supporto per gli script su questo canale. chiedi su #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Ecila> enzotib http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000892/\n<naxil2> ok\n<Ecila> enzotib adesso ha finito\n<enzotib> Ecila, però c'è un errore, aspetta che guardo\n<enzotib> Ecila, sudo iwconfig\n<enzotib> Ecila, sempre su pastebin\n<Ecila> enzotib http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000902/\n<enzotib> Ecila, sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter\n<Ecila> enzotib fetch and extract firmware?\n<enzotib> Ecila, sì\n<Ecila> fatto\n<enzotib> Ecila, sudo iwconfig su nuovo\n<enzotib> Ecila, scusa, sudo iwconfig (di nuovo)\n<Ecila> enzotib uguale a prima\n<enzotib> Ecila, lsmod | egrep 'b43|wl'\n<Ecila> enzotib non lo riconosce\n<enzotib> Ecila, che significa?\n<enzotib> Ecila, se scrivi bene deve funzionare, quel comando\n<Ecila> enzotib http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000918/\n<naxil2> ragazzi ho installato un programma ma stranamente quando ci premo sopra non parte..\n<enzotib> Ecila, ok, intendevi che non dà output? v a bene lo stesso\n<enzotib> Ecila, sudo modprobe b43\n<Ecila> enzotib, sì, in quel senso\n<Ecila> enzotib, neanche questo dà output\n<enzotib> Ecila, sudo iwconfig\n<Ecila> enzotib http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000934/\n<enzotib> Ecila, perfetto: sudo iwlist wlan0 scan\n<Ecila> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1000941/\n<enzotib> Ecila, quindi ora ti funziona il wireless\n<Ecila> sì?\n<Ecila> proviamo....\n<enzotib> Ecila, click con il tasto sinistro sull'icona della rete (in alto a destra) dovrebbe mostrarti le reti disponibili\n * samba_ is away: I am too busy to read, then I am too busy.\n<enzotib> !away | samba\n<ubot-it> samba: i messaggi pubblici di away creano confusione in canale soprattutto per gli utenti alle prime armi e possono interrompere una discussione in corso. Ti preghiamo quindi di evitare di usarli\n * samba_ is back (gone 00:00:06)\n<naxil2> se usate xchat basta scrivere /ignore #ubuntu.it NOTI\n<enzotib> naxil2, per cosa?\n<naxil2> cosi non vedete piu le scritte join/eccetera\n<naxil2> toglie tutte le notifiche\n<samba_> grande naxil2\n<enzotib> naxil2, le regole del canale prevedono il non uso dei messaggi di away\n<naxil2> visto che due cacchiate le so fare anche io\n<samba_> apprezzo 1k di volte di più il messaggio tuo che quello del bot\n<naxil2> si ma su certi canali tutto quel ESCE/entra e' un po fastidioso\n<naxil2> qui non serve tanto\n<naxil2> cmq enzotinb verresti in chat per favore?\n<enzotib> naxil2, ci sono già \n<Best`> via.. si và a casa! A domani! Ciaooo!\n<pac> buon pomeriggio\n<pac> ho trovato, ma non so più dove, che devo sostituire il nome del device con il suo id in questo comando xsetwacom get \"Wacom Serial Penabled 1FG Touchscreen eraser\" all ma non capisco come procedere\n<pac> sto cercando di utilizzare gromit però da terminale mi da questo http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1001041/\n<alessio> ciao a tutti raga, ho un problema con plymouth...quando spengo il pc si vede l'animazione ma quando lo accendo no\n<OverMe> pac, non è rilevante\n<pac> OverMe: quindi dovrebbe andare?\n<OverMe> se ti riferisci alle prime 3 righe di warning, non pregiudicano\n<alessio> enzotib, we come va?? mi daresti una mano??\n<enzotib> no\n<avici> looool\n<avici> m1t0_ ci 6?\n<ubu5400> salve a tutti\n<ubu5400> ho un problema con il mio ubuntu 11.04 su notebook\n<enzotib> !chiedi | ubu5400\n<ubot-it> ubu5400: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<a7x> ubu5400, esplicati\n<ubu5400> quando installo i software da ubuntu software center mi dice alla fine operazione di pacchetto non riuscita\n<avici> beh chiedo a tutti, ho problemi con la virtualizzazione KVM....ho seguito la guida http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Virtualizzazione/Qemu c'è qualcuno che se ne intende abbastanza da potermi aiutare?\n<a7x> valeo1978\n<a7x> valeo1978\n<ubu5400> anche se poi in realtà me lo ritrovo in applicazioni\n<a7x> uhm\n<a7x> ci deve essere un bug\n<ubu5400> come mai?\n<a7x> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<a7x> ... nulla ubu5400 è un errore del mio client, comunque incolla l'output del terminale sul paste -^\n<ubu5400> può essere dovuto a questi benedetti server...?\n<ubu5400> comando output?\n<a7x> ubottu-it, l'output = quello che ti dà ubuntu-software-center\n<ubottu-it> a7x: Error: \"l'output\" is not a valid command.\n<a7x> ubu5400, l'output = quello che ti dà ubuntu-software-center\n<ubu5400> ora riprovo e incollo l'out\n<ubu5400> si ma come lo estraggo?\n<ubu5400> devo allegare l'immagine con stamp?\n<a7x> se ti è più facile sì\n<stefano__> ciao\n<ubu5400> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1001091/\n<stefano__> dovrei programmare sulla porta porallela qualcuno sa come si fa vedere l' indirizzo della porta?\n<ubu5400> sarà stato adobe reader.deb ita a provocare questo bug?\n<enzotib> !chat | stefano__\n<ubot-it> stefano__: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<a7x> ubu5400, ci sono buone possibilità , installArchives() failed: Selezionato il pacchetto audacity-data. <- questo è il primo errore che ti dà ?\n<ubu5400> mi pare che il problema si sia presentato quando ho installato un paccheto deb di adobe reader 8 in italiano\n<ubu5400> in effetti mi sembra che nell'out sia riportato sotto\n<ubu5400> che dite provo a disinstallarlo con purge\n<ubu5400> ma vi chiedo il comando esatto che non ricordo\n<a7x> ascolta, proviamo comunque\n<a7x> sudo apt-get remove --purge pacchetto_come_si_chiama\n<ubu5400> AdobeReader_ita-8.1.7-1.i386.deb\n<avici> beh chiedo a tutti, ho problemi con la virtualizzazione KVM....ho seguito la guida http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Virtualizzazione/Qemu c'è qualcuno che se ne intende abbastanza da potermi aiutare?\n<ubu5400> quindi esattamente?\n<a7x> ubu5400 dpkg devi usare\n<ubu5400> si ma se mi dite il comando completo ve ne sarei grato\n<a7x> ubu5400, dpkg -r AdobeReader_ita-8.1.7-1.i386\n<a7x> anzi\n<a7x> ubu5400, dpkg -P AdobeReader_ita-8.1.7-1.i386\n<ubu5400> dpkg: attenzione: there's no installed package matching AdobeReader_ita-8.1.7-1.i386\n<ubu5400> mi dice questo\n<a7x> vai nella cartella in cui si trova il file .deb\n<a7x> e digita dpkg -P AdobeReader_ita-8.1.7-1.i386.deb\n<ubu5400> in home ho una cartella di adobe all'interno ci sono due sotto cartelle reader e flash\n<ubu5400> ma non vedo il file deb in quello reader\n<a7x> ubu5400, cercalo\n<a7x> lo sai tu come l'hai insstallato :\\\n<ubu5400> il pacchetto deb originario d'installazione è sulla scrivania\n<ubu5400> l'ho rimosso da sinaptyc\n<ubu5400> va bene uguale?\n<ubu5400> ora provo a vedere se mi da ancora il bug\n<ubu5400> synaptic\n<ubu5400> pardon...\n<a7x> va bene\n<a7x> procedi\n<ubu5400> ah prima ho rimesso il mirror italia per i pacchetti\n<ubu5400> ma è stato ripristinato o no?\n<ubu5400> sto installando il pacchetto di adobe reader 9 presente\n<a7x> vediamo cosa succede\n<ubu5400> ci mette un lo interrompo e provo con un pacchettopiù piccolo pò\n<carlo> ciao a tutti, per sbaglio ho tolto la spunta ll opzione \"abilita reti senza fili\" (o qualcosa del genere) dal menù a tendina che esce cliccando sull icona del wifi in alto a destra........ora non riesco più a far partire il wifi xkè mi è stata congelata l'opzione \"abilitare reti senza fili\".......cosa posso fare? ovviamente adesso sto scrivendo da windoz, dato che da ubuntu non posso collegarmi\n<ubu5400> sto insttallando filezilla\n<carlo> !image\n<ubot-it> Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<enzotib> carlo, nm-tool, output su pastebin\n<ubu5400> ok\n<ubu5400> sembra risolto\n<max_sme> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1001166/\n<max_sme> potete aiutarmi\n<max_sme> ?\n<ubu5400> il problema era il pacchetto adobe reader 8 che avevo installato prima\n<glpiana> ola\n<carlo> enzotib, purtroppo non posso dare comandi dal terminale, sono su windows.......non mi posso connettere da ubuntu........per essere più chiaro ho caricato la foto dell'opzione che ho toccato http://imagebin.org/213439\n<ubu5400> ah suggeritemi qualche buon tool per il monitoraggio rete e dispositivi\n<ubu5400> ed anche hardware\n<ubu5400> se possibile\n<enzotib> carlo, la conosco l'opzione, ma senza quel pc sottomano non possiamo fare niente, non hai un cavo per connetterti?\n<a7x> ubu5400, monitoraggio rete?\n<ubu5400> si\n<ubu5400> rete e dispositivi connessi alla rete\n<a7x> chiedi in #ubuntu-it-chat\n<ubu5400> più che un tool un software di monitoraggio\n<ubu5400> oltre al semre efficiente terminale\n<a7x> max_sme, hai pacioccato con i sources?\n<carlo> enzotib, al momento sono in treno connesso tramite hotspot wifi del cellulare......:( se mi sai indicare una guida va benissimo, altrimenti tento di ricollegarmi stasera da casa, tirando un cavo da qualche parte! :)\n<ubu5400> ok\n<ubu5400> grazie lo stesso\n<samba_> ragazzi, ho una domanda\n<samba_> vediamo se mi potete aiutare\n<samba_> avrei bisogno di modificare il font size delle applicazioni che usano gtk2 e gtk3\n<samba_> c'è qualche file / link / manuale che posso leggermi oppure qualcuno sa cosa dovrei fare per modificare i font ?\n<pandafunk> samba_, puoi cambiare i font con ubuntu-tweak o gnome-tweak-tool\n<a7x> carlo, prova a: entrare su ubuntu e disattiva la wireless tramite il bottone apposta/combinazione di tasti, riattivala e riavvia\n<carlo> a7x, già provato.....non cambia nulla! :(\n<pandafunk> carlo, ogni tanto a me capita... non so se è il tuo caso, ma se spengo e stacco la batteria poi riprende a funzionare\n<glpiana> samba_, che versione di ubuntu hai? e che interfaccia usi?\n<samba_> glpiana, uso fluxbox e ubuntu 12.04\n<ubu5400> qualcuno ha mai provato gtkGuitune?\n<ubu5400> l'ho installato ma non mi apre l'interfaccia\n<glpiana> !qualcuno | ubu5400\n<ubot-it> ubu5400: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<enzotib> ubu5400, lancialo da terminale, mi pare che richiede /dev/dsp\n<ubu5400> come lo lancio comando esatto?\n<enzotib> ubu5400, padsp gtkguitune dovrebbe andare\n<ubu5400> si ok\n<samba_> ok, sono riuscito a configurare i font\n<samba_> ma adesso vorrei sapere in che file ha messo la conf\n<ubu5400> ma solo da terminale posso lanciarlo?\n<enzotib> ubu5400, oppure modifichi il lanciatore\n<glpiana> samba_, fluxbox dovrebbe avere le conf sotto .fluxbox\n<ubu5400> gli do il comando che ho appena lanciato sul term\n<samba_> sì, ma la configurazione delle applicazioni è inerente a gtk e non ai temi di fluxbox\n<ubu5400> perfetto\n<enzotib> ubu5400, mkdir -p ~/.local/share/applications && cp /usr/share/applications/gtkguitune.desktop ~/.local/share/applications\n<samba_> fluxbox gestisce solo i temi delle finestre e del menu\n<ubu5400> fatto\n<glpiana> samba_, hai ragione anche tu\n<enzotib> ubu5400, cosa, hai già modificato o stavi seguendo me?\n<samba_> dovrebbe esserci un gtkrc che è stato modificato\n<samba_> ma non so dove\n<samba_> nella home no\n<samba_> in .config no\n<ubu5400> ho cambiato il comando del lanciatore\n<FloodBotIt2> samba_: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<ubu5400> con padsp gtkguitune\n<glpiana> samba_, cercalo: sudo updatedb e poi locat gtkrc | grep home\n<pandafunk> samba_, glpiana le impostazioni dovrebbero stare nel backend gsettings\n<pandafunk> samba_, glpiana gsettings list-recursively | grep interface | grep font\n<ubu5400> ubuntu is the best!!!\n<samba_> ho trovato questo file: ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/interface/%gconf.xml\n<samba_> da settare a mano\n<samba_> o con gconf\n<samba_> risolto, tnx\n<timoty> glpiana: ho trovato un workaround al problema di remmina e della tastiera inglese\n<ubu5400> grazie a tutti come sempre e alla prossima\n<glpiana> timoty, dimmi\n<ubu5400> ciao\n<timoty> glpiana: in realtà non e' un problema di remmina ma un bug di vnc\n<timoty> comunque il workaround consiste nell'aggiungere al layout di tastiera italiana\n<glpiana> timoty, come'\n<glpiana> ?\n<timoty> glpiana: comunque il workaround consiste nell'aggiungere al layout di tastiera italiana anche quello inglese americano e una volta connessi fare lo switch prima in inglese e poi nuovamente in italiano\n<timoty> glpiana: verrà inviato uno switch attraverso la connessione vnc e quindi funziona bene\n<glpiana> timoty, buono a sapersi. è quello che si cambia con lo shift?\n<timoty> glpiana: come si cambia con lo shift?\n<timoty> io ho in alto l'icona della tastiera con una it e en per la tastiera italiana e usa\n<glpiana> timoty, non so, leggevo qualcosa a riguardo oggi, ma molto lla veloce\n<glpiana> *alla\n<timoty> glpiana: ho capito cos'è quello shift a cui ti riferivi\n<timoty> glpiana: a me fa lo switch premendo shift e il fissa maiuscole\n<glpiana> timoty, non so altro\n<timoty> glpiana: è uno shortcut per fare lo switch fra le tastiere\n<glpiana> ecco\n<timoty> glpiana: o meglio tra i layout delle tastiere\n<timoty> saluti\n<avici> beh chiedo a tutti, ho problemi con la virtualizzazione KVM....ho seguito la guida http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Virtualizzazione/Qemu c'è qualcuno che se ne intende abbastanza da potermi aiutare?\n<carlo> iao a tutti, per sbaglio ho tolto la spunta ll opzione \"abilita reti senza fili\" (o qualcosa del genere) dal menù a tendina che esce cliccando sull icona del wifi in alto a destra........ora non riesco più a far partire il wifi xkè mi è stata congelata l'opzione \"abilitare reti senza fili\".......cosa posso fare?\n<carlo> p.s. adesso sono riuscito a collegarmi via lan\n<carlo> *ethernet\n<carlo> enzotib, .\n<enzotib> carlo:\n<enzotib> avici: ma il problema qual è?\n<avici> ciao a tutti\n<esulu> ciao\n<avici> c'è qualcuno che si intende di virtualizzazioni KVM?oggi ho seguito la guida http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Virtualizzazione/Qemu c'è qualcuno che se ne intende?\n<enzotib> avici, ho letto più volte il tuo messaggio, ma quale sia il problema non lo hai ancora detto\n<avici> ciao enzotib, non lho scritto xke pensavo che nessuno sapesse qlc riguardo alla virtualizzazione,oggi ho parlato con m1t0 e con qualcun altro di cui nn ricordo il nick...x quello continuavo a postare il messaggio\n<enzotib> avici, non ho detto che so aiutarti, ma se non esponi nessuno verrà a chiedertelo\n<avici> cmq ho seguito quella guida...quando apro qemu xo mi si apre un terminale, in cui mi dice che nn partono alcuni boot..\n<jackiechan0> hi there my windows borders are disappeared how can i fix ?\n<lelamal> !en | jackiechan0\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'en'\n<jackiechan0> ?\n<jackiechan0> lelemi aiutate\n<lelamal> jackiechan0: in this channel people use Italian. /join # ubuntu for English support\n<jackiechan0> lelamal: ho incollato per sbalgio\n<jackiechan0> posso essere aiutato\n<lelamal> certo, io però non ho idea :). qualcun altro leggerà se scrivi in italiano però.\n<jackiechan0> ok\n<tull> ciao, in ubuntu lucid il comando per vedere il menu di grub 2 è Shift? Ho provato con Shift , compare una scritta \"loading grub 2\" ma poi non compare nessun menu.\n<sandrinux> tull, a me sembrava Esc\n<tull> avevo provato anche con Esc ma non succedeva nulla\n<tull> non compariva neanche la scritta \"loading grub 2\"\n<tull> vorrei tornare al kernel vecchio\n<tull> il 2.6.32-40\n<sandrinux> tull, hai ragione è Shift, Esc era per Grub....boh, dovrebbe funzionare...\n<tull> boh\n<tull> devo tenerlo premuto lo SHIFT?\n<tull> posso provare con lo SHIFT di destra\n<sandrinux> tull, eh non lo so è indispensabile, ma se lo tieni premuto male non dovrebbe fargli\n<tull> ok provo\n<vassalli> ciao\n<vassalli> salve\n<dod> salve vassalli\n<takli> \\q\n<sergios> salve a tutti, ho bisogno di aggiornare adobe flash player su ubuntu 11.10 ma sul sito http://get.adobe.com/it/flashplayer/ non so quale versione scaricare... scusate la domanda da newbbo ma qual'è il comando per aggiornarlo da terminale?\n<Carlin0> sergios, perchè scaricare il flashplayer dal sito quando è nei repo ?\n<MarcoPau> ciao, siete riusciti ad installare picasa?\n<sergios> Carlin0 come posso fare ad aggiornare? mi conviene disinstallare e reinstallare da ubuntu software center?\n<Carlin0> sergios, dai questo comando â dpkg -l | grep 'flash\\|gnash\\|swf'\n<Carlin0> e metti l'output in paste\n<Carlin0> !paste | sergios\n<ubot-it> sergios: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<sergios> http://pastebin.com/tz5xCMaH\n<sergios> eccolo Carlin0\n<Carlin0> sergios, il flash è già aggiornato solo hai altra roba che va in conflitto ora la rimuoviamo\n<Carlin0> sergios, sudo apt-get purge gnash gnash-common browser-plugin-gnash\n<Carlin0> sergios, e dopo riavvia il browser\n<sergios> ok, cmq ricordo che quando ho installato avevo difficoltà ed è probabile che ho fatto qualche casino! :P\n<Carlin0> sergios, oltretutto gli ultimi flash sono un po bacati...\n<sergios> Carlin0: fatto, ho riavviato firefox\n<Carlin0> prova a vedere su youtube ...\n<Carlin0> dovrebbe andare\n<sergios> Carlin0: non va, prima riuscivo a vedere youtub e non riuscivo con i video di repubblica.it. adesso non vedo nessuno dei due!\n<Carlin0> posta di nuovo dpkg -l | grep 'flash\\|gnash\\|swf'\n<sergios> Carlin0: http://pastebin.com/shVstrmR\n<Carlin0> sergios, usi la 32 o la 64 bit ?\n<sergios> 64\n<Carlin0> mmm, un attimo\n<Carlin0> sergios, dai sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-installer\n<Carlin0> poi sergios vai qui http://get.adobe.com/it/flashplayer/ scarichi il tar gz lo scompatti e lo metti nella cartella /.mozilla/plugins\n<Carlin0> se quella cartella non esiste la crei\n<sergios> ok\n<Carlin0> sergios, è una cartella nascosta nella tua home\n<Carlin0> sai come vederla vero ?\n<naxil2> carlin0 oggi sono riuscito ad installare il mobile partner (software propietario per la connessione UMTS) mi ha creato (come in windows) anche una ETH1 \"virtuale\" pensi che mi possa servire per sherare la connessione?\n<Carlin0> naxil2, ti ho già detto ieri che ne capisco poco :P\n<naxil2> a non eri te.. scusami\n<Carlin0> naxil2, nulla :)\n<Carlin0> !tizio\n<ubot-it> non porre le tue domande a qualcuno in particolare, rivolgiti al canale. Non usare forme del tipo \"Tizio, mi sai dire..\"/\"Tizio, posso?\"\n<Carlin0> lol\n<naxil2> ok\n<sergios> Carlin0: no, non so come fare per visualizzarla (vergogna) :)\n<naxil2> te di bash ci capisci?\n<naxil2> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Carlin0> sergios, dal menu visulaizza mi pare ci debba essere mostra fiel/cartelle nascoste\n<sergios> ok trovato visualizza/mostra file nascosti :)\n<Carlin0> .mozilla/plugins\n<sergios> Carlin0 hm hm... dentro la cartella /.mozilla non ci sono cartelle plugin ma estension, penso sia quella esatto?\n<Carlin0> sergios, creala tu la cartella plugins se non c'è\n<Carlin0> e ci metti dentro il file libflashplayer.so\n<sergios> Carlin0: fatto, e ci ho messo dentro il contenuto della cartella scompattata (non la cartella ma ciò che c'era dentro)\n<sergios> ah ok solo quel file?!?\n<Carlin0> dentro c'era quel file li ...\n<Carlin0> si è lui il prediletto :P\n<Carlin0> se non funziona così ho finito le idee , ma speriamo bene\n<sergios> si insieme a una cartella usr e un file readme\n<sergios> incrociamo le dita\n<sergios> Carlin0: adesso che si fa?\n<Carlin0> riavviia FF e riprova sul tubo\n<sergios> Carlin0: nada!\n<Carlin0> che palle ...\n<sergios> Carlin0 http://imagebin.org/213502\n<Carlin0> sergios, ma non ha mai funzionato ?\n<sergios> youtube funzionava, non con tutti i video però\n<Carlin0> sergios, se dai al terminale â locate libflashplayer.so\n<Carlin0> che dice ?\n<sergios> lancio il comando locate libflashplayer.so ma nn mi dice nulla\n<Carlin0> ma scusa almeno quello nella tua home dovrebbe vederlo no?\n<Carlin0> quello che abbiamo messo poco fa ...\n<sergios> aspetta...\n<sergios> niente da fare, il file c'è ma nn da terminale nn lo trovo\n<sergios> assurdo! o_O\n<Carlin0> sergios, dai â cd ~\n<Carlin0> e dopo â ls -l\n<Carlin0> metti in paste il 2°\n<Carlin0> anzi accorciamo fai â ls -l .mozilla\n<sergios> http://pastebin.com/9MGc6itw\n<Carlin0> dai quello che ti ho dato dopo scusa ..\n<Carlin0> ls -l .mozilla\n<sergios> si eccolo http://pastebin.com/01z0a4mw\n<Carlin0> buh stranisssimo ...\n<sergios> io e la tecnologia abbiamo sempre questo rapporto! :S\n<Carlin0> sergios, dai â cd .mozilla/plugins\n<Carlin0> e poi ls\n<Carlin0> lo vede il file o no ?\n<sergios> Carlin0 eh si! http://pastebin.com/gvBGA0dC\n<sergios> lo vedo!\n<Carlin0> proviamo una cosa\n<Carlin0> dagli da quella posizione questo comando â sudo cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so\n<Carlin0> dimmi se da errori\n<sergios> no, nessun errore (ma apparentemente nessuna procedura)\n<Carlin0> dai locate libflashplayer.so\n<Carlin0> lo vede ?\n<sergios> scusami, mi correggo... mi chiedeva la password, non me ne ero accorto e mi da il seguente errore cp: impossibile creare il file regolare \"/usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so\": File o directory non esistente\n<Carlin0> ok proviamo così\n<Carlin0> sudo cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so\n<sergios> nessun errore ma apparentemente nulla di fatto\n<Carlin0> dai locate libflashplayer.so\n<sergios> niente\n<Carlin0> ls /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/\n<sergios> si, adesso lo vedo\n<Carlin0> lo vedi tu ma non locate ...\n<Carlin0> ma roba da matti\n<sergios> eheh già !\n<lollo64it> updatedb ?\n<Carlin0> e non vedendolo locate non lo vede il browser\n<Carlin0> lollo64it, se sai qualcosa fatti pure avanti\n<lollo64it> dicevo solo che la locate per funzionare\n<lollo64it> deve essere preceduto da \"sudo updatedb\"\n<Carlin0> sergios, prova ...\n<Carlin0> lollo64it, ignoravo la cosa\n<sergios> ok, fatto\n<Carlin0> sergios, cmq alla fine sempre devi riavviare firefox e provare\n<sergios> ok\n<sergios> non mi si avvia più firefox... provo a riavviare il sistema\n<Carlin0> eh ??\n<Carlin0> sergios, cancella il file che abbiamo messo nella tua home\n<sergios> Carlin0 noente, continua a non avviarsi\n<Carlin0> sergios, ma non da errori ?\n<sergios> no, niente\n<Carlin0> prova a lnciarlo da terminale\n<Carlin0> vedi cosa dice\n<sergios> come faccio?\n<Carlin0> scrivi firefox\n<sergios> sono ancora nella cartella /.mozilla/plugins\n<Carlin0> fa nulla\n<naxil2> scusate.. come disconnetto da tty internet?\n<sergios> http://pastebin.com/72TgpwVf\n<Carlin0> sergios, dai di nuovo sudo updatedb\n<Carlin0> e poi riprova\n<sergios> niente, stesso errore\n<Carlin0> sudo rm /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so\n<sergios> Carlin0 ho cancellato tutta la cartella plugins che avevo creato... prima di dare questo comando dovrei fare qualcosa?\n<Carlin0> no cancelliamo anche l'altro file che abbiamo copiato\n<Carlin0> e poi vediamo....\n<sergios> permesso negato\n<sergios> impossibile cancellare\n<Carlin0> come permesso negato ?\n<sergios> *impossibile rimuovere\n<Carlin0> posta comando e output\n<sergios> http://pastebin.com/g54fBMH9\n<Carlin0> non hai messo sudo\n<sergios> ops scusami!\n<sergios> fatto\n<Carlin0> prova a avviare ff\n<sergios> niente, mi compare \"avvio di firefox\" nella barra in basso e poi sparisce\n<Carlin0> sergios, cd ~\n<Carlin0> mv .mozilla .mozilla-bak\n<sergios> Carlin0 niente!\n<Carlin0> non si avvia firefox ?\n<sergios> no\n<Carlin0> hai dato quei 2 comandi ?\n<sergios> non si avvi\n<sergios> si\n<Carlin0> ls\n<Carlin0> ls -a\n<sergios> Carlin0 http://pastebin.com/NHpv8STB\n<Carlin0> riprova a dare sudo updatedb\n<Carlin0> che sto comando non lo conosco e non so bene cosa faccia\n<sergios> ff continua a non riavviarsi\n<Carlin0> prova a riavviare tutto... anche se non mi sembra una soluzione ...\n<sergios> torno subito :)\n<sergios> Carlin0 niente nemmeno così! adesso purtroppo devo staccare! cosa pensi possa fare in futuro?\n<sergios> disinstallare e reinstallare tutto ff?\n<Carlin0> sergios, posta sul forum\n<Carlin0> !forum\n<ubot-it> forum is http://forum.ubuntu-it.org\n<Carlin0> oltre a questo puoi provare con â sudo apt-get install --reinstall firefox\n<Carlin0> sergios, mi spiace :(\n<sergios> Carlin0 non preoccuparti, non porto rancore... sta nel richio del gioco! :)\n<sergios> grazie cmq per il tempo che mi hai dedicato :)\n<Carlin0> e ma mi girano le balle fidati\n<sergios> lo immagino\n<sergios> :D\n<Carlin0> posta sul forum e vedrai che si risolve\n<sergios> ok, ho copiato la nostra discussione...\n<Carlin0> ok i comandi che abbiamo dato + che altor\n<sergios> ATTENZIONE!!! E' RIPARTITO FF!!!!\n<Carlin0> poi il canale qui è loggato quindi puoi recuperarla anche da li\n<sergios> sommo gaudio!\n<Carlin0> !logs\n<ubot-it> Log del canale: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/\n<Carlin0> meno male va\n#ubuntu-it 2012-05-23\n<sergios> youtube ancora nella ma è già qualcosa\n<Carlin0> bhe non ho rislvto ma almeno no ho fatto danno\n<sergios> eheh si si va bene anche così! non preoccuparti! ti ripeto non avrei portato comq rancore!\n<Carlin0> no vebbè ma girano le balle a fare danno\n<sergios> ps: che vuol dire il canale è loggato?\n<Carlin0> tutto registrato ci sono i log\n<Carlin0> !logs\n<ubot-it> Log del canale: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/\n<sergios> wow quindi devo stare attento a quello che dico! eheheh!\n<Carlin0> eh ...\n<sergios> ok Carlin0, notte!\n<sergios> notte a tutti! :)\n<Carlin0> notte sergios ;)\n<sergios> tornerò presto a rompervi le balle! :)\n<pac> buongiorno\n<pac> temo di avere troppa roba all'avvio del grub vorrei eliminare qualcosa e tenere solo win7 e ubuntu 11.04 ma non so da dove iniziare e temo di inibire l'avvio.\n<glpiana> ola\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<Best`> buongiorno :)\n<Odo> Giorno\n<ac> devo preparare delle video lezioni e volevo utilizzare kazam ma nonostante tutte le prove ottengo solo un video senza audio\n<Mauy> Ciao a tutti ho un portatile con card reader integrato jmicron jmb385 che non viene riconosciuto ho provato con 11.04 11.10 e 12.04 mi piacerebbe farlo andare chi mi helpa\n<glpiana> Mauy, scrivi in un terminale lspci e lsusb\n<glpiana> !paste | Mauy\n<ubot-it> Mauy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Mauy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1002605/\n<glpiana> Mauy, non lo vedo. infila una scheda e poi scrivi: dmesg | tail\n<Mauy> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1002615/\n<glpiana> mmm...\n<glpiana> Mauy, togli al scheda, reinseriscila e ridai il comando\n<glpiana> *la\n<Mauy> glpiana, fatto http://paste.ubuntu.com/1002621/\n<glpiana> Mauy, niente da fare. non lo considera. prova a scrivere dmesg | grep -i card\n<Mauy> con card inserita?\n<glpiana> Mauy, indifferente\n<Mauy> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1002626/\n<glpiana> Mauy, uname -a\n<Mauy> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1002627/\n<glpiana> Mauy, e anche sudo fdisk -l\n<Mauy> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1002630/\n<glpiana> Mauy, la card era inserita?\n<Mauy> si\n<glpiana> Mauy, non la vede. e per quanto vedo manco il lettore viene visto\n<Mauy> è quello che sospettavo.... sipuò fare qualcosa?\n<glpiana> Mauy, non ne ho idea. non vedendolo non so come aiutarti\n<OverMe> Mauy, che pc è? hai visto se da bios c'è qualche opzione per il lettore?\n<Mauy> glpiana, infatti ho cercato in internet e ho trovato altre persone col problema ma nessuna soluzione è un acer aspire 5930 da bios non so ma con win funziona\n<Mauy> non penso ci sia una combinazione di tasti per accendere o spegnere il lettore!\n<glpiana> Mauy, con versioni di ubuntu precedenti funzionava?\n<Mauy> non ho nessun ubuntu prima della 11.04\n<Mauy> provate a leggere quì http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1718934\n<OverMe> Mauy, hai la card inserita?\n<Mauy> si\n<glpiana> Mauy, Support Kernels: 2.6.22~2.6.38\n<Mauy> si lo so che è per vecchi kernel ma magari era di aiuto\n<glpiana> Mauy, puoi provare a scaricarlo e a compilarlo\n<OverMe> Mauy, ls /sys/bus/pci/\n<Mauy> non so compilarlo se mi aiuti ci provo (sono una sega con linux)\n<glpiana> Mauy, segui OverMe prima di tutto\n<Mauy> OverMe, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1002648/\n<OverMe> Mauy, echo 1 | sudo tee /sys/bus/pci/rescan\n<Mauy> me l'ha aperta\n<OverMe> cosa?\n<Mauy> la sd\n<Mauy> OverMe, cosa significa se col comando che mi hai dato la vede e la monta?\n<OverMe> Mauy, è un problema noto, il lettore funziona solo se fai partire il pc con una scheda inserita oppure dai quel comando a pc già avviato. ora controllo se esiste una soluzione\n<Mauy> ok grazie\n<vit_o> salve a tutti\n<vit_o> ho notato un problema con gnome-screensever, praticamente utilizzava un casino di risorse addirittura faceva partire pure la ventola. ho installato XScreenSaver e volevo sapere come lo sostituisco\n<vit_o> praticamente devo mettere di defoult XScreenSaver al posto di gnome-screensaver, qualcuno può aiutarmi?\n<glpiana> vit_o, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=195557 dai un'occhiata qui o imposta gnomescreensaver con schermo nero così non fa amcinare la scheda video\n<OverMe> Mauy, proviamo a fare una cosa\n<Mauy> dimmi\n<OverMe> sudo gedit /etc/default/grub\n<OverMe> dove c'è GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"quiet splash\" scrivici GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"quiet splash pciehp.pciehp_force=1\"\n<vit_o> glpiana, come faccio cmq a fare la seconda cosa che hai detto?\n<Mauy> OverMe, ok poi\n<OverMe> controlla di aver scritto bene, salva, esci e dai: sudo update-grub\n<Mauy> OverMe, fatto ora?\n<glpiana> vit_o, vai sulle impostazioni del salvaschermo e scegli dall'elenco dei salvaschermi \"schermo nero\" o roba simile\n<OverMe> Mauy, echo \"acpiphp\" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules\n<Mauy> OverMe, OK\n<vit_o> glpiana, ma sono con 12.04 non esiste il salvaschermo. questo di gnome già è una pagina nera. La guida che mi hai passato sarebbe buona se solo non ci fosse lo stesso problema, qua non esistono più i salvaschermi.\n<OverMe> Mauy, riavvia _senza_ la scheda\n<glpiana> vit_o, sei su 12.04?\n<Mauy> ok a dopo\n<vit_o> glpiana, si\n<glpiana> vit_o, quindi gnome-screensaver lo hai messo tu\n<glpiana> vit_o, rimuovilo e poi imposta il blocco dello schermo e avrai schemro nero\n<glpiana> *schermo\n<vit_o> glpiana, non ricordo di averlo fatto ma cmq è lì\n<glpiana> O.o\n<glpiana> vit_o, deciditi: dici che non c'è ma che è lì senza avercelo messo\n<glpiana> o io non ti sto capendo\n<vit_o> glpiana, ho detto che c'è! Ma soltanto non ricordo di averlo installato, forse era in qualche pacchetto inziale. Comunque, come lo rimuovo?\n<glpiana> vit_o, sudo apt-get purge gnome-screensaver\n<glpiana> vit_o, ma controlla che non si porti via mezzo sistema\n<glpiana> vit_o, fermo\n<glpiana> se siamo ancora in tempo\n<glpiana> :)\n<vit_o> glpiana, sisi\n<glpiana> vit_o, io ce l'ho, sta girando ma non da problemi. quando si avvia cosa visualizza?\n<vit_o> glpiana, scusa ma non potremmo farlo avviare all'avvio (Xscreensaver) e invece gnome-scr lo disattivo?\n<glpiana> vit_o, se vuoi fare quello segui quel link che ti ho dato allora\n<vit_o> glpiana, lo schermo nero normalissimo, però il problema è che consuma un casino di risorse! L'ho monitorato e praticamente quasi tutto da 3-4% passa al15% e si accende pure la ventola! O_O\n<glpiana> vit_o, ben stano sto comportamento. comunque per disabilitarlo puoi levare il .desktop da /etc/xdg/autostart/ credo sia sufficiente. ma se mi dai un minuto faccio una prova io\n<vit_o> glpiana, c'ho provato ma non và perchè è troppo vecchio, ho provato ad aprire un documento dove dicevano di cambiare alcune stringhe ma addirittura qui è vuoto quel file\n<Mauy> OverMe, riavviato ora?\n<OverMe> Mauy, prova ad infilare la scheda e vedi se funziona\n<OverMe> altrimenti rimettiamo come prima\n<Mauy> OverMe, nada non la vede\n<OverMe> allora dobbiamo aspettare un fix dall'alto\n<vit_o> glpiana, penso di essere capace a disabilitarlo e farlo partire all'avvio, ma mi puoi dare una mano nel creare qll di xscreensaver\n<glpiana> vit_o, dammi un attimo che prima ci provo e poi ti dico\n<OverMe> Mauy, rimettiamo a posto: sudo gedit /etc/default/grub e togli pciehp.pciehp_force=1 poi sudo gedit /etc/modules e togli acpiphp\n<vit_o> glpiana, ok grazie\n<TaLaDo> salve stamane mi è stato proposto un aggiornamento relativo a libreoffice ma non si riesce a installare questo è quello che mi appare: http://pastebin.com/4HuKW5Zc\n<Mauy> OverMe, ok mi ripeti il comando da dare ogni volta per farla montare che non l'ho segnato\n<OverMe> echo 1 | sudo tee /sys/bus/pci/rescan\n<glpiana> vit_o, ci sono quasi\n<OverMe> con la scheda infilata\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, scrivi nel terminale e dammi l'output su pastebin: sudo dpkg --configure -a\n<TaLaDo> glpiana, non da output\n<Mauy> OverMe, si esatto\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, dpkg -l | grep libreoffice-help-it\n<Mauy> OverMe, GRAZIE\n<TaLaDo> glpiana, http://pastebin.com/C1fK0AYt\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, sudo apt-get update\n<TaLaDo> ehm non vorrai l'output vero?\n<TaLaDo> sta a macinare :)\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, di questo no. dimmi quando termina\n<TaLaDo> ok ha finito ora\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, sudo apt-get upgrade\n<TaLaDo> sta aggiornando libreoffice-help-it\n<Mauy> Ciao\n<glpiana> vit_o, sto incontrando problemi. pazienta\n<TaLaDo> glpiana, ancora errori http://pastebin.com/aJTeiTk8\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, scrivi: sudo apt-get clean\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, poi ridai sudo apt-get upgrade\n<TaLaDo> ok\n<glpiana> vit_o, yeah ci sono\n<glpiana> vit_o, tu?\n<TaLaDo> glpiana, ok andato a buon fine ti ringrazio\n<glpiana> :)\n<vit_o> glpiana, yep :)\n<glpiana> vit_o, sudo mv /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-screensaver.desktop /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-screensaver.desktop_old\n<glpiana> vit_o, poi, xscreensaver l'hai già installato?\n<vit_o> glpiana, sono due comandi giusto? (si, già è installato)\n<glpiana> vit_o, no, un solo comando per irnominare un file\n<glpiana> *rinominare\n<vit_o> glpiana, fatto.\n<glpiana> vit_o, sudo cp /etc/xdg/autostart/xscreensaver-properties.desktop /etc/xdg/autostart/\n<glpiana> vit_o, cazz. sbagliato\n<vit_o> glpiana, già ! xD\n<glpiana> vit_o, sudo cp /usr/share/applications/xscreensaver-properties.desktop /etc/xdg/autostart/\n<glpiana> vit_o, poi: sudo nano /etc/xdg/autostart/xscreensaver-properties.desktop\n<vit_o> glpiana, fatto\n<vit_o> glpiana, sono dentro Xd\n<glpiana> vai nella riga Exec=xscreensaver e la cambi in Exec=xscreensaver -no-splash\n<glpiana> vit_o, salvi con ctrl+o ed esci con ctrl+x\n<vit_o> glpiana, da comunque la riga è: Exec=xscreensaver -demo\n<vit_o> glpiana, la cambio uguale?\n<glpiana> vit_o, sì, leva -demo e metti -no-splash\n<vit_o> glpiana, dopo che metto salva mi dice: nome del file in cui salvare. non metto niente e chiudo?\n<glpiana> vit_o, mmm... ti ho fatto fare un giro assurdo per niente forse -.-\n<glpiana> vit_o, aspetta un csecondo che forse c'è una via più diretta\n<vit_o> glpiana, uhmm... ho già salvato, rimetto tutto a posto?\n<glpiana> vit_o, un attimo e ti dico\n<glpiana> vit_o, infatti c'era una via più semplice. avevo mancato un .desktop. allora procedi così\n<glpiana> vit_o, sudo rm /etc/xdg/autostart/xscreensaver-properties.desktop\n<vit_o> glpiana, aspetta! e con quel terminale che faccio? rimetto tutto apposto?\n<glpiana> vit_o, che rimetti a posto? lo cancelliamo quel file e basta\n<vit_o> glpiana, ok\n<vit_o> glpiana, fatto\n<glpiana> vit_o, per ora abbiamo copiato un file, l'abbiamo modificato, mi sono accorto che non serviva toccare quello e lo rimuoviamo. e siamo al punto di partenza\n<glpiana> tabula rasa :D\n<vit_o> glpiana, tutto chiaro :)\n<glpiana> vit_o, ora scrivi cp /usr/share/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-daemon.desktop /etc/xdg/autostart\n<vit_o> glpiana, (scusa ma ancora non sono tanto familiare con rm cp e bla bla)\n<glpiana> vit_o, beh abbiamo anche rinominato il .desktop di gnome-screensaver, ma quello serve\n<vit_o> glpiana, ho dovuto fare: sudo cp /usr/share/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-daemon.desktop /etc/xdg/autostart\n<vit_o> glpiana, perchè primi mi diceva permesso negato, cmq adesso dovrebbe essere fatto.\n<glpiana> vit_o, sì, ho saltato sudo\n<vit_o> glpiana, magari a questo ci sono arrivato :) adesso che si fa? :D\n<glpiana> vit_o, ricapitoliamo. scrivi: ls /etc/xdg/autostart | grep screen e metti su pastebin\n<vit_o> glpiana, sono solo due righe: gnome-screensaver.desktop_old xscreensaver-daemon.desktop\n<glpiana> oki, prova a riavviare\n<glpiana> e torna qui\n<vit_o> ooooooook\n<vit_o> glpiana, i'm back\n<vit_o> glpiana, nelle applicazioni di avvio gnome-screensaver non c'è più. adesso dovremmo aggiungere Xscreensaver, giusto?\n<glpiana> vit_o, spe, scrivi nel terminale: ps aux | grep xscreen\n<vit_o> glpiana, (scusa, una cosa che non c'entra ma, come faccio da terminale a visualizzare le cartelle nascoste? )\n<glpiana> vit_o, a elencarle? ls -la\n<vit_o> glpiana, che faccio? te lo posto in pastdebian?\n<glpiana> sì\n<vit_o> glpiana, mi sfugge il link sorry\n<glpiana> !paste | vit_o\n<ubot-it> vit_o: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<vit_o> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1002759/\n<glpiana> vit_o, oki, ora io non so come metterti le impostazioni dello screensaver in Impostazioni di Sistema. che interfaccia usi?\n<vit_o> glpiana, unity\n<glpiana> vit_o, se apri la dash e scrivi xscreen dovrebbe apparirti una icona\n<vit_o> glpiana, scusa ma non basterebbe lanciarlo all'avvio? come un altro normale programma ?\n<vit_o> glpiana, si infatti è così che lo faccio partire normalmente\n<glpiana> vit_o, ma sta già girando. lo abbiamo fatto quello. era per fartelo impostare a piacere\n<vit_o> glpiana, ah, quindi è già 'attivo' ?\n<glpiana> vit_o, sì\n<vit_o> glpiana, e partirà ad ogni avvio in automatico giusto?\n<glpiana> vit_o, già lo ha fatto\n<glpiana> vito 1885 0.0 0.0 59708 2760 ? S 12:19 0:00 xscreensaver -nosplash <---- è in esecuzione\n<vit_o> glpiana, perfetto ma quando lo lancio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1002770/\n<vit_o> glpiana, non ho capito l'ultima tua riga.\n<glpiana> vit_o, aspetta\n<glpiana> vit_o, dami l'output di ps aux | grep screen\n<glpiana> *dammi\n<alexpixel22> ciao a tutti, io possiedo una tavola grafica wacom modello cth-470 e sono su ubuntu 11.10 in teoria dovrebbe già prendermi la tavola ma non la rinosco\n<alexpixel22> mi potete aiutare?\n<vit_o> glpiana, ecco: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1002774/\n<glpiana> vit_o, locate gnome-screensaver.desktop\n<vit_o> glpiana, /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-screensaver.desktop\n<glpiana> vit_o, ma lo avevamo rinominato questo -.-\n<glpiana> vit_o, perhcè è tornato così?\n<glpiana> <glpiana> vit_o, sudo mv /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-screensaver.desktop /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-screensaver.desktop_old\n<vit_o> glpiana, ma che ne so! tra l'altro non spunta nelle aplicaziondi di avvio, ma lì si. non è strano?\n<vit_o> glpiana, mando quel comando allora?\n<glpiana> vit_o, no, non lo è\n<glpiana> vit_o, sì dai quel comando\n<vit_o> glpiana, allora è strano che non lo sia\n<vit_o> glpiana, mv: impossibile eseguire stat di \"/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-screensaver.desktop\": File o directory non esistente\n<glpiana> vit_o, ls /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-scree*\n<vit_o> /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-screensaver.desktop_old\n<glpiana> vit_o, non è che prima hai riavviato solo l'interfaccia grafica e no nil pc?\n<glpiana> *non il\n<tre5> salve\n<vit_o> glpiana, e no, ho riavviato tutto\n<glpiana> vit_o, nel terminale: sudo updatedb\n<vit_o> glpiana, cosa dovrebbe venir fuori?\n<glpiana> vit_o, e non è che sei andato nelle impostazioni di sistema a riattivare lo screensaver?\n<glpiana> vit_o, niente deve uscire\n<glpiana> vit_o, scrivi: locate gnome-screensaver.desktop\n<vit_o> glpiana, no, non ho toccato niente.\n<vit_o> glpiana, è qui: /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-screensaver.desktop_old\n<glpiana> vit_o, riavvia, non toccare nulla e dai ps aux | grep screen\n<vit_o> ok\n<glpiana> vit_o, deve darti solo due righe, una del grep e una con xscreensaver -nosplash\n<glpiana> vit_o, io vado a mangiare. a dopo\n<tre5> salve, chiedo se è possibile installare un programma che rilevi la temperatura del processore, e nel caso fosse possibile , come raggiungere il server repo. grazie\n<glpiana> !sensors tre5\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'sensors tre5'\n<glpiana> !sensors | tre5\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'sensors'\n<glpiana> -.-\n<vit_o> glpiana, allora caso mai ci sentiamo 'dopo' adesso scappo a lezione, grazie per l'aiuto!!\n<glpiana> tre5, http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/LmSensors\n<glpiana> ciao vit_o\n<tre5> Mille grazie a tutti.\n<alexpixel22> qualcuno di voi mi può aiutare con il riconoscimento di una tavola grafica\n<glpiana> alexpixel22, è usb?\n<alexpixel22> si\n<glpiana> alexpixel22, scrivi lsusb in un terminale e metti l'output su pastebin\n<glpiana> !paste | alexpixel22\n<ubot-it> alexpixel22: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<alexpixel22> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1002845/\n<glpiana> alexpixel22, su che versione di ubuntu sei?\n<alexpixel22> glpiana, ubuntu 11.10\n<glpiana> alexpixel22, prova a vedere se questo ti aiuta http://askubuntu.com/questions/88028/wacom-bamboo-capture-cth-470-pen-and-touch-not-working\n<alexpixel22> glpiana, ho una connessione lenta piano piano ci provo\n<glpiana> alexpixel22, forse questa soluzione, che evita l'uso di ppa, è migliore http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1515562\n<alexpixel22> grazie glpiana ha funzionato\n<glpiana> alexpixel22, il primo o il secondo metodo?\n<alexpixel22> glpiana, il primo metodo, il secondo ovviamente non lo provato\n<glpiana> ok\n<sergios> salve a tutti! Sto provando ad installare ubuntu 12.04 in dual boot con windows xp (home edition: uso questo perchè è il suo, originale) ho ripulito tutto l'hd da 160 gb, poi ho creato una partizione in ntfs\n<sergios> ... (continua)\n<DAMN3dg1rl> coming soon\n<sergios> ... dove ho installato win con il recovery cd che ha formattato arbitrariamente in fat32. Installato win ho creato sempre da live con g parted una partizione swap da 2 gb una ext4 per ubuntu e una ntfs per i dati. installato ubuntu e riavviato mi ritrovo schermata nera con messaggio \"error: unknown filesystem.\" e la riga sotto \"grub rescue>_\" con underscore lampeggiante\n<sergios> la mia domanda è: potrebbe essere che il mo computer non riesce a leggere gli ext4?\n<glpiana> sergios, ext4 non viene letto \"dal computer\" ma dal sistema operativo. quindi è da escludere la cosa\n<glpiana> sergios, l'installazione è andata liscia ho ha dato errori?\n<sergios> si\n<glpiana> *o\n<glpiana> azz ho scritto o congiunzione con l'acca -.-\n<glpiana> sergios, l'installazione è andata liscia o ha dato errori?\n<enzotib> si\n<glpiana> lol\n<sergios> si, liscia come l'olio! :) cmq adesso sto riprovando l'intera procedura\n<glpiana> sergios, le partizioni falle durante l'installazione\n<enzotib> sergios, hai controllato dove diceva di voler mettere grub?\n<sergios> glpiana, qui in chat mi si consigliava invece di farle precedentemente per evitare di dover ridimensionare quella creata dall'installazione di windows\n<glpiana> sergios, non so chi l'abbia consigliato ma ha poco senso visto che il programma che esgue il partizionamento è lo stesso\n<sergios> enzotib intendi il \"/\" ? se si l'ho messo come punto di mount su ext4 usato con journelin come da wiki (fine es.1) http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviPartizioni/PartizionamentoManuale\n<glpiana> sergios, no, intende grub, il boot loader\n<glpiana> sergios, ora sei da livecd?\n<sergios> il bootloader sempre come da es.\n<sergios> /dev/sda\n<sergios> si sono il live cd\n<glpiana> sergios, scrivi in un terminale: sudo fdisk -l\n<glpiana> !paste | sergios\n<ubot-it> sergios: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<sergios> glpiana preferisco rifare la procedura perchè ho cmq eliminato e ricreato la partizione in ext4 con tutta l'installazione di ubuntu pensando che fosse quello il prob :P\n<glpiana> sergios, quidni cosa sei venuto a chiedere se tanto stai reinstallando? :)\n<enzotib> un supporto morale\n<sergios> se la causa dell'errore potesse essere il mio sistema che non legge gli ext4! Domanda a cui avete già risposto :)\n<sergios> e anche un buon supporto morale :D\n<k0ral_> ciao a tutti! non riesco ad impostare dropbox su ubuntu in modo da farlo caricare all'avvio...\n<k0ral_> sono riuscito ad avviarlo così come sono abituato a vederlo su windows solo usando il comando da terminale ~/.dropbox-dist/dropboxd\n<k0ral_> solo che mi resta aperta la finestra del terminale in sospeso..\n<k0ral_> come posso fare in modo che quel comando venga dato in automatico ogni volta che accendo il pc? ~/.dropbox-dist/dropboxd\n<enzotib> k0ral_, io mi ritrovo un file dropbox.desktop in ~/.config/autostart, che non ho fatto io\n<enzotib> (o almeno non mi ricordo di averlo messo io lì)\n<k0ral_> enzotib: anche io ce l'ho ma non va\n<k0ral_> enzotib: all'avvio mi chiede di inserire la password sembra per farmi avviare dropbox...io la inserisco ma poi non va\n<enzotib> k0ral_, e tu sei perfettamente sicuro di mettere la password giusta?\n<k0ral_> enzotib: si, è la password con cui accedo...e poi se non fosse corretta mi ricomparirebbe la richiesta di inserimento password, no?\n<k0ral_> enzotib: o è la password di dropbox? non sembrerebbe perchè sembra un messaggio di ubuntu e non di dropbox\n<enzotib> k0ral_, rifai login, fai uno screenshot della richiesta, e poi, prima di fare altre manovre, prendi l'output di pgrep -fl dropbox\n<k0ral_> enzotib: come faccio lo screenshot? come in windows con alt+stamp?\n<enzotib> k0ral_, sì\n<k0ral_> enzotib: e dove te lo incollo?\n<k0ral_> enzotib: su pastebin prende solo testo?\n<enzotib> !imagebin | k0ral_\n<ubot-it> k0ral_: Vuoi mostrarci una schermata del tuo problema? Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ok\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ho un file in download, se esco mi si interrompe, giusto?\n<enzotib> k0ral_, sì\n<k0ral_> enzotib: allora aspetto che finisca\n<Joshua^Dunamis> raga raga, ho la directory /var/log che ha occupato quasi tutto la partizione di sistema dopo aver usato testdisk\n<Joshua^Dunamis> è la prima volta che opero con questa directory, come svuotarla?\n<enzotib> Joshua^Dunamis, cos'è che occupa più spazio?\n<Joshua^Dunamis> non ricordo come controllare enzotib qual'è la sintassi giusta?\n<Joshua^Dunamis> con ls -l non mi fa capire tantissimo\n<enzotib> Joshua^Dunamis, sudo find /var/log/ -printf '%s %p\\n' | sort -nr | head\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: azz è kern.log e sys.log\n<enzotib> Joshua^Dunamis, versioni attuali o con numero progressivo?\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: sembrano fisse\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: come verifico meglio?\n<enzotib> Joshua^Dunamis, metti su pastebin, per intanto\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: okkk\n<enzotib> (l'output del comando precedente\n<enzotib> )\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1003107/\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: in più continua ad apparire una finestra di errore interno di Ubuntu\n<enzotib> Joshua^Dunamis, comincerei col provare a riavviare, e vedere se parte con nuovi log, così quelli li cancelliamo o zippiamo\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: apposto allora riavvio e vediamo\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: allora mi è apparsa pure una finestra che mi segnala soli 65mb su hd\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: intato ti riposto l'output\n<enzotib> Joshua^Dunamis, comincia con sudo apt-get clean, che un po' di spazio dovrebbe farlo\n<enzotib> e poi fammi ri-vedere la nuova versione dell'output del comando di prima\n<enzotib> magari anche un df -h\n<Joshua^Dunamis> okkk\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1003110/\n<enzotib> Joshua^Dunamis, ok, io proporrei di cancellare quei due file, e riavviare (non credo che ti serva il contenuto)\n<enzotib> Joshua^Dunamis, i file rimarranno dato che probabilmente sono aperti da qualche processo, ma al riavvio dovrebbe essere risolto\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: no, non credo, volevo essere certo che non ci fossero danni nel cancellarli, uso rm direttamente?\n<enzotib> Joshua^Dunamis, sì\n<Joshua^Dunamis> okkk\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: fatto con sudo me li ha rimossi, li ha ricreati molto più piccoli già , cmq riavvio e vediamo l'andamento :)\n<enzotib> ok\n<Rebecca92> problema con skype. Pulseaudio non funge per nulla con tale applicazione, ho persino provato ad modificare il file asound, come descritto nella wiki del sito ubuntu , oppure installare asound .\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: grazie, pare tornato tutto normale :)\n<Rebecca92> Ma nulla. non so come usare sto beneamato client per l'audio\n<enzotib> Joshua^Dunamis, tienili sotto controllo, se crescono rapidamente vedi un po' cosa c'è dentro che li riempie\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: esatto ;)\n<Holden> Rebecca92, versione di ubuntu? hardware? che problema da?\n<Rebecca92> Holden, kubuntu 12,04 , il portatile è un samsung n220\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: azz, non è tutto normale, nel senso che manca il file syslog\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: anzi manca anche kern.log O.O\n<Rebecca92> Holden,in pratica non funziona nulla ne in ingresso nè un uscita l'audio\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1003117/\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ci sei? ho fatto lo screenshot e il comando\n<k0ral_> enzotib: http://imagebin.org/213571\n<k0ral_> enzotib: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1003118/\n<Rebecca92> Holden, ci sei?\n<Holden> Rebecca92, si, è che mi hai dato troppi dettagli e mi sono confuso -.-\n<Rebecca92> Holden,??\n<Holden> Rebecca92, non funziona nulla non è una descrizione dettagliata del problema... con questi elementi non riesco ad aiutarti\n<Rebecca92> Holden, cosa devo dirti '? non ho audio su skype\n<Rebecca92> nè in entrata ( microfono ) nè uscita ( casse )\n<Holden> le altre applicazioni funzionano? vedi skype tra la lista dei programmi che si agganciano al server? vedi errori in terminale o syslog? hai modificato qualcosa? ha mai funzionato?...\n<k0ral_> qualcuno può aiutarmi a far partire dropbox all'avvio? mi compare la schermata http://imagebin.org/213571 inserisco la password di sistema ma non carica niente. funziona come sono abituato su winzozz solo se da terminale scrivo ~/.dropbox-dist/dropboxd ma rimane il terminale in \"sospeso\"\n<enzotib> k0ral_, il dropbox andrebbe anche bene, secondo me\n<enzotib> k0ral_, ma c'è quest'altro comando che non capisco da dove esce: pkexec dropbox --http-proxy http://proxyutenti.comune.peccioli.pi.it:8080/ update\n<enzotib> k0ral_, è questo che chiede la password\n<enzotib> k0ral_, che casini hai fatto?\n<Guest1049> voglio installare lubuntu e creare una usb con unetbootin,ma non so che selezionare nella voce DISTRIBUTION\n<Guest1049> perche chiaramente non mi compare lubuntiu\n<Rebecca92> Holden,s' le altre vanno\n<enzotib> Guest1049, scarica la iso, e invece di indicare la Distro, indica la Iso\n<Rebecca92> Holden,io non so come funzioni pulseaudio\n<Rebecca92> fosse per me userei alsa\n<Guest1049> ah ok...ci provo,grazie\n<Rebecca92> se mi dai info per verificare le cose ti ringrazio\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: ho eseguito un dpkg-reconfigure su logrotate e rsyslog ma ancora mancano kern.log e syslog in /var/log/ è normale?\n<k0ral_> enzotib: boh! so solo che ho impostato il proxy perchè qui in laboratorio mi richiede il proxy.\n<Holden> Rebecca92, è un programma che sta in ascolto (server) in attesa che i clients si connettano per scambiare dati\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ti riepilogo come l'ho installato, forse l'ho incasinato\n<Rebecca92> Holden,come verifico quanto questo ?\n<Rebecca92> *chiesto ?\n<enzotib> Joshua^Dunamis, al riavvio non sono apparsi?\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: no\n<enzotib> Joshua^Dunamis, sudo touch /var/log/{kern.log,syslog}, e poi riavvia\n<Holden> Rebecca92, apri skype da terminale e controlla l'output, apri anche tail -f /var/log/syslog e guarda se spunta qualcosa\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ho provato ad installarlo dall'ubuntu software center ma mi dava questa finestra all'avvio e non mi partiva. poi ho provato a installarlo (sopra) con la procedura indicata sul sito di dropbox http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1003127/\n<Rebecca92> Holden,io solitamente ranzo pulse.... e funziona ... ora vorrei evitare\n<k0ral_> enzotib: e tieni presente che sono dietro un proxy..che ho combinato? c'è una soluzione per sistemare il mio casino?:)\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: riavvio col touch li abbiamo generati vuoti giusto? al riavvio qualcosa ci dovrebbe stare giusto? tipo l'output di dmesg\n<enzotib> Joshua^Dunamis, sì, suppongo di sì\n<Joshua^Dunamis> okkk provo subito a riavviare\n<Best`> vado ragà . A domani.. ;)\n<enzotib> k0ral_, non capisco perché hai preso il tar e non il deb\n<enzotib> k0ral_, hai 12.04?\n<oxusmorus> scusate come faccio una volta installato ubuntu a vedere emule con i file in download e quelli condivisi da xp???\n<k0ral_> enzotib: se per deb intendi quello che installa dall'ubuntu software center, quella è la prima cosa che ho fatto.\n<enzotib> k0ral_, anche sul sito di dropbox c'è un deb, tu invece sei andato a prendere il tar, ti sei complicato la vita\n<enzotib> k0ral_, io ricomincerei da zero\n<k0ral_> enzotib: poi visto che mi dava quella finestra di cui ho fatto lo screenshot, allora ho preso il tar e con quel comando sulla pagina di dropbox ha funzionato come sono abituato ad usarlo su winzozz, solo che tutte le volte devo dare il comando manualmente e mi resta la finestra del terminale in \"sospeso\"..\n<enzotib> k0ral_, ho capito, ho capito\n<k0ral_> enzotib: si, ho l'ultima ubuntu lts\n<enzotib> k0ral_, ti ripeto, io azzererei tutto e ricomincerei\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: non ci sono di nuovo\n<k0ral_> come ricomincio da zero senza stare a risincronizzare tutti i file?\n<oxusmorus> mi leggete??\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: o.O\n<k0ral_> enzotib: come ricomincio da zero senza stare a risincronizzare tutti i file?\n<enzotib> Joshua^Dunamis, è strano: fammi un ls -l /var/log\n<enzotib> k0ral_, i file sono in ~/DropBox, e non vanno cancellati\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: okkk\n<oxusmorus> scusate qualcuno mi aiuta o devo far tutto da sola?\n<enzotib> !pazienza | oxusmorus\n<ubot-it> oxusmorus: la gente qui è volontaria, non pretendere che qualcuno ti risponda. Le risposte non sono sempre disponibili. Guarda http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoIrc/LineeGuida\n<oxusmorus> va beh enzotib ho solo chiesto se qualcuno mi aiuta\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1003137/\n<enzotib> oxusmorus, e io ti ho solo detto di avere pazienza\n<enzotib> Joshua^Dunamis, ma io kern.log e syslog li vedo\n<k0ral_> enzotib: come ricomincio da zero? che intendi? disinstallare e reinstallare dropbox? come faccio?\n<oxusmorus> beh ma dovrei andare a casa,ora sono a lavoro\n<enzotib> k0ral_, cominciamo con killall dropbox, e sudo killall dropboxd\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: si con ls -l li sto vedendo anche io XD non è che il comando di prima serviva solo ad elencare quelli di dimensioni superiori a un certo valore e quindi non li vedevo più?\n<k0ral_> enzotib: al secondo comando : dropboxd: no process found\n<enzotib> Joshua^Dunamis, mostra i primi dieci per dimensione\n<k0ral_> enzotib: dopo?\n<enzotib> k0ral_, controlliamo: pgrep -fl dropbox\n<Joshua^Dunamis> enzotib: perfetto, ora è tutto chiaro!!! Allora apposto e grazie ancora ;)\n<enzotib> Joshua^Dunamis, prego\n<Rebecca92> Holden,non da nessun errore\n<k0ral_> enzotib: niente\n<enzotib> k0ral_, ok, ora rm -rf ~/.dropbox*\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ok\n<k0ral_> enzotib: poi?\n<enzotib> k0ral_, sudo apt-get purge dropbox\n<Rebecca92> Holden,non va e punto\n<enzotib> Rebecca92, lo spazio dopo la virgola\n<Holden> Rebecca92, vedi una cosa così nelle preferenze audio? http://imagebin.org/213574\n<Rebecca92> Holden,di skype ?\n<enzotib> Rebecca92, lo spazio dopo la virgola\n<Holden> no, di ubuntu/pulse\n<k0ral_> enzotib: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1003144/\n<enzotib> k0ral_, sudo apt-get purge nautilus-dropbox\n<k0ral_> enzotib: purge viene usato per disinstallare giusto? come uso sudo apt-get install per installare...giusto?\n<Rebecca92> Holden, kmix?\n<enzotib> k0ral_, sì\n<Holden> Rebecca92, no, l'icona del volume in alto a destra\n<k0ral_> enzotib: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1003145/\n<enzotib> k0ral_, ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/\n<Rebecca92> Holden, in alto a destra ho la x per chiudere konversation\n<Holden> Rebecca92, capisco... vado a casa, a dopo :)\n<k0ral_> enzotib: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1003147/\n<enzotib> k0ral_, ok, sudo apt-get install nautilus-dropbox\n<k41s3r3x> ciao a tutto:)\n<k41s3r3x> ciao a tutti:)\n<vit_o> salve a tutti\n<vlt> Ciao.\n<k0ral_> enzotib: forse c'è qualche problema: http://imagebin.org/213575.Considera che la connessione qui non va benissimo..:(\n<k0ral_> enzotib: forse c'è qualche problema: http://imagebin.org/213575. Considera che la connessione qui non va benissimo..:(\n<k0ral_> enzotib: devo fare next o start dropbox\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ?\n<enzotib> aspe', calma\n<gabriele93> giorno\n<gabriele93> è possibile sostituire pavucontrol all'applet del volume?\n<k0ral_> enzotib: era per me calma?:)\n<enzotib> k0ral_, sì, sta fermo e aspetta che elaboro\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ok\n<gabriele93> enzotib, giorno :)\n<k0ral_> enzotib: perchè forse ho sbagliato qui a fare next oppure start dropbox. non ricordo cosa ho fatto qui la prima volta\n<gabriele93> è possibile sostituire pavucontrol all'applet del volume?\n<enzotib> k0ral_, env | grep http\n<k0ral_> enzotib: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1003169/\n<enzotib> k0ral_, sudo dropbox update\n<k0ral_> enzotib: http://imagebin.org/213578\n<gianni88> ciao.ho appena installato lubuntu...ma la luminosita dello schermo è bassissima (nonostante l'abbia impostata al massimo)...chi mi puo dare un cosniglio?\n<k0ral_> enzotib: e non riesco a chiudere quella finestrella di errore\n<k0ral_> enzotib: che faccio?\n<enzotib> k0ral_, da un altro terminale: sudo killall dropbox\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ok...ora? :)\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ho sempre la finestra con \"start dropbox\" o \"next\" aperta..la chiudo?\n<enzotib> k0ral_, sudo http_proxy=http://proxyutenti.comune.peccioli.pi.it:8080/ dropbox update\n<vit_o> ho un problema con lo screensaver (12.04 con unity), quello di gnome mi da problemi quindi vorrei 'rimuoverlo' con l'aiuto qui ho installato xscreensaver ma adesso partono entrambi all'avvio. Qualcuno può aiutarmi ?\n<enzotib> k0ral_, sì\n<enzotib> k0ral_, chiudila\n<gianni88> .ho appena installato lubuntu...ma la luminosita dello schermo è bassissima (nonostante l'abbia impostata al massimo)...chi mi puo dare un consiglio?\n<k0ral_> enzotib: stesso errore e stessa finestrella precedente\n<enzotib> k0ral_, su pastebin\n<k0ral_> enzotib: sudo killall dropbox ????\n<k0ral_> enzotib: http://imagebin.org/213578\n<lelamal_> !repeat | gianni88\n<ubot-it> gianni88: non ripetere la tua domanda spesso, ogni N minuti. Non aumenterà le probabilità di ottenere una risposta ma provocherà solamente una reazione stizzita da parte degli altri utenti del canale. Se nessuno ti risponde riprova più tardi o utilizza le altre forme di supporto messe a dispozione dalla comunità .\n<enzotib> k0ral_, ma non ti avevo detto di dare sudo killall dropbox?\n<enzotib> k0ral_, non si è chiusa ancora quella finestra?\n<k0ral_> enzotib: si, ma si è riaperta con l'ultimo comando\n<k0ral_> enzotib: devo ridare killall?\n<enzotib> k0ral_, sì, dai di nuovo killall, ma l'ultimo comando era diverso da come lo hai scritto tu\n<enzotib> k0ral_, è questo: sudo http_proxy=http://proxyutenti.comune.peccioli.pi.it:8080/ dropbox update\n<k0ral_> enzotib: non ho rifatto lo screenshot ti ho messo quello di prima perchè era identica la finestrella\n<enzotib> k0ral_, ed hai sbagliato, perché così non riesco a capire cosa succede, ti ricordo che io non sono davanti al tuo pc\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ok, rifaccio\n<enzotib> k0ral_, rifai il comando che ti ho scritto e fammi vedere l'output\n<k0ral_> enzotib: http://imagebin.org/213579\n<enzotib> k0ral_, possibilmente pastebin, usa imagebin solo quando strettamente necessario\n<k0ral_> enzotib: clicco ok?\n<enzotib> k0ral_, sì\n<k0ral_> enzotib: http://imagebin.org/213580\n<enzotib> k0ral_, e che cazzarola, gliela abbiamo data la variabile\n<enzotib> k0ral_, ok, fermalo\n<k0ral_> enzotib: può essere https?\n<k0ral_> enzotib: dropbox non lavora con https o no?\n<enzotib> k0ral_, env | grep http > out\n<k0ral_> enzotib: asp ho provato con https ed ha dato qcosa di diverso\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ma sempre un errore..http://imagebin.org/213582\n<k0ral_> enzotib: che faccio? \"report problem\"?\n<enzotib> k0ral_, aspetta\n<enzotib> k0ral_, ok, fermalo di nuovo\n<k0ral_> enzotib: sudo killall dropbox?\n<enzotib> sì\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ci sono ancora finestrelle di errore aperte..che non si chiudono con killall, che faccio?\n<k0ral_> enzotib: e nemmeno col mouse\n<enzotib> k0ral_, Alt-F2, xkill, e poi ci clicchi sopra col mouse\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ok\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ora?\n<enzotib> k0ral_, quindi adesso la situazione è tornata normale?\n<k0ral_> enzotib: si\n<k0ral_> enzotib: cioè..dropbox è chiuso\n<enzotib> k0ral_, pgrep -fl dropbox\n<k0ral_> enzotib: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1003207/\n<k0ral_> enzotib: sembra ci sia un terminale bloccato\n<k0ral_> ma cliccandoci non riesco ad aprirlo\n<enzotib> k0ral_, sudo killall -f dropbox\n<enzotib> k0ral_, togli il -f\n<k0ral_> enzotib:\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ok\n<enzotib> k0ral_, di nuovo pgrep -fl dropbox\n<k0ral_> enzotib: fatto. tutto ok\n<k0ral_> enzotib: non da niente\n<enzotib> k0ral_, ls -d ~/.dropbox*\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ls: cannot access /home/carlo/.dropbox*: No such file or directory\n<enzotib> k0ral_, ok, ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/\n<k0ral_> enzotib: total 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 176 May 16 09:58 google-chrome.list\n<enzotib> k0ral_, sudo apt-get purge nautilus-dropbox\n<k0ral_> enzotib: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1003216/\n<enzotib> k0ral_, hai 64 bit?\n<k0ral_> enzotib: si\n<enzotib> k0ral_, wget https://www.dropbox.com/download?dl=packages/ubuntu/dropbox_1.4.0_amd64.deb\n<k0ral_> enzotib: mi stanno cacciando dal laboratorio..se ci vuole tanto facciamo domani :) se ti trovo..\n<enzotib> ok\n<k0ral_> enzotib: fatto\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ora?\n<enzotib> non credo, ma i problemi sono dietro l'angolo\n<k0ral_> enzotib: l'ultimo è andato bene, ha scaricato\n<enzotib> k0ral_, sudo dpkg -i dropbox_1.4.0_amd64.deb\n<k0ral_> enzotib: ora?\n<k0ral_> enzotib: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1003220/\n<k0ral_> enzotib: azz...:(\n<k0ral_> enzotib: facciamo domani se ti trovo...ciao :)\n<enzotib> ok\n<leo__> Sera\n<leo__> Potete aiutarmi non riesco a far funzionare flash player anche se installato\n<jester-> leo__: installato cpme\n<jester-> come\n<jester-> leo__: bù\n<leo__> jester scusa! Tramite software centre\n<jester-> leo__: inscolla nel terminale, da enter e incolla la sisposta nel pastebin\n<jester-> dpkg -l | egrep 'ndis|swf|gnash|flash|nsplugin'\n<jester-> paste | leo__\n<jester-> !paste | leo__\n<ubot-it> leo__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<glpiana> ola\n<vit_o> buona sera a tutti\n<gianni888> qualcuno mi aiuta con la luminosita dello schermo??ho appena installato lubuntu!grazie\n<fourlastor> ciao a tutti\n<fourlastor> è possibile che ubuntu abbia spento la mia webcam (uso tlp)?\n<fourlastor> e in caso, c'è modo di riaccenderla?\n<fourlastor> perché con lsusb non la vedo più, quindi m'è venuto naturale pensare a quello..\n<jester-> fourlastor: uso tlpsarebbe?\n<fourlastor> un gestore di energia, l'ho usato dopo aver letto diverse guide dato che il mio disco scaldava\n<jester-> fourlastor: uso tlp sarebbe?\n<fourlastor> jester-, questo https://github.com/linrunner/TLP/wiki/TLP-Linux-Advanced-Power-Management\n<jester-> FloodBotIt2: fourlastor vedo che il cazzillo disabilita un fracco ri roba, far le quali usb;, e piu che per lo scaldameento serve a risparmiare batteria\n<fourlastor> sì, anche la batteria, e ovviamente da bravo scemo non avevo controllato le usb, ora l'ho disabilitato ma anche riavviando il pc non si riaccende\n<jester-> fourlastor: se lsusb non vede le usb o vede le usb e non la cam attaccata\n<fourlastor> vede le usb ma non la cam attaccata (è integrata)\n<jester-> fourlastor: puo darsi che abbia messo in blacklist il modulo della cam\n<fourlastor> ora controllo, dici di modprobe?\n<jester-> fourlastor: dico in qualche file in /etc/modprobe.d/\n<fourlastor> sì sto guardando jester-\n<fourlastor> dovrebbe essere uvcvideo, giusto?\n<jester-> a sapere che modulo usa si carica a mano\n<jester-> fourlastor: uvcvideo è uno\n<fourlastor> umh..\n<fourlastor> ma teoricamente caricando il modulo dovrei vedere la cam su lsusb?\n<jester-> fourlastor: teoricamente lsusb dobrebbe vedere comunque il device collegato se la usb è up\n<jester-> fourlastor: ma se lo carichi male non fa\n<fourlastor> hm, nada\n<fourlastor> provo a riavviare un'altra volta\n<fourlastor> eccolo\n<fourlastor> jester-, ancora niente comunque\n<jester-> fourlastor: prova a disabilitare il servizio, se sevizo è\n<fourlastor> ok, riavvio\n<gianni888> qualcuno mi aiuta con la luminosita dello schermo??ho appena installato lubuntu!grazie\n<jester-> gianni888: portatile?\n<gianni888> si\n<gianni888> è bassissima la luminosita\n<jester-> gianni888: i tasti fn non funzano?\n<gianni888> si funzionano..ma se la letto al max è comunque scura ,se la diminuisco si spegne addirittura\n<jester-> gianni888: che pc è e che scheda grafica monta\n<gianni888> eee pc asus\n<gianni888> sono poco pratico :)\n<jester-> gianni888: se trovo l'appunto sei fortunato\n<gianni888> speriamo\n<jester-> gianni888: sudo /etc/default/grub\n<angelo> ciao a tutti\n<angelo> non riesco a avviare la wireless\n<jester-> angelo: broadcom?\n<gianni888> jester-, command not fiunf\n<gianni888> found\n<jester-> gianni888: sudo gedit /etc/default/grub\n<angelo> scusa, cos'è broadcom\n<gianni888> uguale jester-\n<jester-> gianni888: scrivi bene o non hai gnome\n<gianni888> ho lubuntu\n<jester-> gianni888: come si chiama l'editor di lubbuntu\n<cristian_c> angelo, è un produttore di schede wireless sopratutto\n<angelo> ah, ok\n<angelo> grazie4 cristian_c , cosa devo fare?\n<gianni888> credo leafpad\n<cristian_c> angelo, spiega meglio, che cosa intendi con 'non riesci ad avviare la wireless'?\n<jester-> sostituisci gedit con quello\n<fourlastor> jester-, ci sono riuscito :) ho spento e staccato il pc dalla corrente per qualche secondo ed è andata\n<jester-> bene\n<jester-> quasta della corrente non la sapevo\n<gianni888> ok..si è aperto un file\n<fourlastor> ora va anche con tlp ma comunque ho disabilitato l'usb dallo spegnimento\n<jester-> gianni888: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"quiet splash acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor\"\n<jester-> gianni888: correggi la riga\n<jester-> gianni888: salva e dai sudo update-grub\n<angelo> scusate ma devo andare, grazie per l'aiuto\n<gianni888> ok fatto jester-\n<jester-> gianni888: sudo update-grub\n<gianni888> fatto anche questo\n<jester-> riavvia\n<degli> nessuno usa asterisk?\n<gianni888> ok...a dopo!\n<gabry> ciao a tutti, ho un computer con ubuntu 11.04 e vorrei passare ad ubuntu 12.04. il problema è che gestore aggiornamenti non mi da nessuna possibilità di avanzamento versione, ed il comando dist-upgrade mi ha solo installato 2 aggiornamenti di sistema. qualche consiglio?\n<fourlastor> jester-, ho scoperto chi/cosa spegne la webcam\n<fourlastor> skype!\n<fourlastor> ri-riavvio va\n<jester-> gabry: dist aupgrade non fa nessun avanzamento, devi usare il gestore aggiornamento\n<dod_> gabry non puoi. 11.04 non e' una lts. puoi aggiornare direttamente da lts a lts. oppure da una versione alla successiva diretta.\n<jester-> gabry: e da 11.04 a 12.04 devi fare due avanzamenti\n<gianni88> grazie jester- va benissimo ora!!!!\n<jester-> gianni88: bene\n<k41s3r3x> ciao a tutti :)\n<gianni88> mi ridaresti il comando cosi me lo appunto per la prox volta?\n<gianni88> la riga da correggere\n<gabry> dod_, jester- il gestore aggiornamento non mi da la possibilità di farlo e si, avevo letto che prima devo passare alla 11.10 e dopo alla 12.04, ma non mi fa fare nemmeno quello\n<jester-> gianni88: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"quiet splash acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor\"\n<dod_> gabry te lo dico francamente ti conviene salvare la home su un disco diverso e poi reinstallare. salvare i dati tuoi e i file di configurazione dei programmi di posta, firefox etc etc..\n<gabry> dod_, O_O\n<dod_> in alternativa cambiare a mano i repo e provare l'avanzamento alla 11.10 che puo' fallire. o usare il cd della 10.10 per avanzare.\n<dod_> 11.10 scusa.\n<gabry> dod_, perchè richiederebbe meno tempo/sarebbe più sicuro o perchè non c'è altro modo?\n<carlo> ciao a tutti\n<dod_> richiede meno tempo ed e' piu' sicuro. ed hai un sistema sicuramente sano.\n<fourlastor> volete ridere? esiste skype 2.2.0.99\n<carlo> come faccio a configurare la rotellina del mouse in modo che scorra le pagine quando la premo?\n<gabry> dod_, mmmh, a sto punto mi sa che formatto e installo da zero\n<fourlastor> e noi che stiamo ancora alla 0.35 :°\n<fourlastor> la versione compilata staticamente per la precisione\n<cristian_c> carlo, quando la 'giri' vorrai dire :)\n<dod_> gabry e' la cosa migliore. salvati la cartella .mozilla con i preferiti di firefox, quella della posta se ti serve con le impostazioni, dalla home, sono cartelle nascoste. poi i tuoi dati.\n<carlo> cristian_c, no quando la premo XD su windows quando premo la rotellina e muovo il mouse in su o in giù (tenendo la rotella premuta) le pagine scorrono......\n<gabry> dod_, naaaaa, uso chrome che sincronizza in automatico ;) per il resto comunque si, farò così\n<cristian_c> carlo, credo che forse dovresti usare xinput ma non ne sono sicuro\n<carlo> cristian_c, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1003423/\n<cristian_c> carlo, quale dei due mouse?\n<gabry> va bene, grazie a tutti\n<gabry> ciao!\n<carlo> cristian_c, ne ho solamente uno di muose collegato, l'altro è il touchpad\n<cristian_c> carlo, ne risultano due\n<cristian_c> PS/2 Mouse\n<cristian_c> PIXART USB OPTICAL MOUSE\n<carlo> cristian_c, ho provato a scollegalo e ridando xinput non c'è più PIXART USB......quindi deduco sia quello.......l'altro non so cosa sia\n<cristian_c> carlo, ok, quindi è il mouse usb, giusto?\n<carlo> cristian_c, si è il PIXART USB OPTICAL MOUSE\n<cristian_c> carlo, prova questo: xinput --list --long \"PIXART USB OPTICAL MOUSE\"\n<carlo> cristian_c, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1003440/\n<cristian_c> Button labels: \"Button Left\" \"Button Middle\" \"Button Right\" \"Button Wheel Up\" \"Button Wheel Down\" \"Button Horiz Wheel Left\" \"Button Horiz Wheel Right\"\n<fourlastor> comunque grazie jester-\n<fourlastor> :)\n<cristian_c> quindi hai tre bottoni più tre rotelle, giusto?\n<carlo> cristian_c, no ho i due tasti canonici più una rotella verticale che funge anche da 3° tasto\n<cristian_c> allora credo tu debba utilizzare \"Button Middle\"\n<lelamal_> carlo: quando ti riferisci a \"le pagine scorrono\" a quale programma ti riferisci?\n<cristian_c> carlo, prova xinput --list-props \"PIXART USB OPTICAL MOUSE\"\n<carlo> lelamal_, a nessun programma in particolare, a tutto il sistema\n<carlo> cristian_c, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1003457/\n<cristian_c> carlo, quindi tutte le finestre con scroll\n<carlo> esatto\n<lelamal_> ci sono alcuni programmi che prevedono quell'opzione, ad esempio Firefox, ma vanno abilitati dalle opzioni se presenti\n<carlo> lelamal_, si, avevo letto dei forum in merito, ma io volevo utilizzarlo a livello globale\n<lelamal_> se provassi a fare lo scroll automatico in questa finestra di chat, ad esempio, non funzionerebbe perché non è previsto\n<carlo> lelamal_, ma da windows lo farebbe\n<lelamal_> ma questo non è Windows\n<cristian_c> \tEvdev Middle Button Emulation (264):\t0\n<cristian_c> \tEvdev Wheel Emulation (270):\t0\n<cristian_c> \tEvdev Third Button Emulation (266):\t0\n<cristian_c> chissà a cosa servono queste proprietà \n<cristian_c> che comunque sono disattivate\n<nannes> cristian_c: lo dice il nome stesso a cosa servono :D\n<zappo_> ciap a tutti\n<nannes> ciap ciap anche a te zappo_\n<cristian_c> nannes, non sono uno specialista\n<carloo> cristian_c, scusa ma mi è andato in crash il sistema e ho dovuto riavviare......non ho letto le ultime cose che hai scritto\n<nannes> Middle Button Emulation = Emulazione tasto centrale\n<nannes> Wheel Emulation = Emulazione \"rotellina\"\n<nannes> Third Button Emulation = Emulazione terzo tasto\n<cristian_c> nannes, sì, ma in concreto? :)\n<nannes> Sono funzioni che servono quando, ad esempio, il tuo mouse non ha la rotellina e vuoi scorrere in un latro modo (click + spostamento mouse)\n<nannes> oppure quando non hai il terzo tasto,\n<nannes> abilitando quello viene emulato quando tu premi realmente i due tasti contemporaneamente :)\n<cristian_c> nannes, in realtà carloo vuole fare proprio questo ----> ono funzioni che servono quando, ad esempio, il tuo mouse non ha la rotellina e vuoi scorrere in un latro modo (click + spostamento mouse)\n<cristian_c> nannes, ok, ora è più chiaro\n<nannes> eh.. allora abilitala! ;)\n<cristian_c> nannes, non è per me\n<nannes> si si per lui dico\n<cristian_c> nannes, che differenza c'è tra middle e third button emulation?\n<zappo_> su ubuntu 12/04 si possono vedere filmati in moonlight?ho provato ad installarlo ma non funzia.\n<carloo> zappo_, si riescono a vedere video ma ad esempio puntate intere no.....\n<carloo> nannes, come faccio ad abilitarlo?\n<nannes> cristian_c: hmm uno è il tasto della rotellina (wheel button). l'altro il classico terzo tasto (anche se ora non si usa più di tanto)\n<Tullio> Salve a tutti...\n<nannes> zappo_: hmmm moonlight purtroppo difetta tanto! Consiglio l'estensione per firefox (tanto ti serve per vedere i video rai.tv, no?) :)\n<nannes> zappo_: l'estensione è qui https://addons.mozilla.org/it/firefox/addon/raismth/\n<nannes> !ciao | Tull\n<ubot-it> Tull: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<cristian_c> nannes, quindi middle è la rotellina? :9\n<zappo_> nannes, grazie pensavo che in questi ultimi due anni avessero risolto il problema moonlight.\n<nannes> si se la memoria non mi inganna è lei :P\n<carloo> faccio volentieri la cavia, anche se non ti ricordi nannes va bene lo stesso! Tentar non nuoce! :))\n<cristian_c> carloo, devi abilitare Wheel Emulation\n<nannes> carloo: fai diventare quello \"0\" un \"1\" ;)\n<nannes> ti serve il comando o riesci da solo?\n<cristian_c> esatto\n<carloo> non sono capace! :( ho ubuntu da 5 giorni!\n<cristian_c> --set-int-prop device property format value\n<carloo> --set-int-prop: command not found\n<cristian_c> al posto di device, \"PIXART USB OPTICAL MOUSE\"\n<nannes> noo cristian\n<cristian_c> al posto di property, Wheel Emulation\n<cristian_c> no?\n<nannes> deve mettere l'identificativo! tipo /dev/mouse0\n<cristian_c> oppure\n<Tullio> ciao a tutti io esco... :-)\n<cristian_c> â â³ PIXART USB OPTICAL MOUSE \tid=10\t[slave pointer (2)]\n<cristian_c> id = 10\n<carloo> bash: errore di sintassi vicino al token non atteso \"(\"\n<nannes> ok.. il format è 8 per l'emulazione dei pulsanti eh!\n<cristian_c> lol\n<carloo> nannes, quindi?\n<cristian_c> sì, infatti è un booleano, 8 bit\n<nannes> xinput set-int-prop \"PIXART USB OPTICAL MOUSE\" \"Evdev Middle Button Emulation\" 8 1\n<nannes> pardon mi ero confuso prima, cristian_c!\n<cristian_c> carloo, digita il comando suggerito da nannes\n<cristian_c> ma non era wheel emulation?\n<nannes> wheel è la rotellina... per scorrere...\n<nannes> non mi hai detto che gli serviva il tasto centrale? :S\n<carloo> nannes, fatto.....putroppo non funziona! in compenso adesso premendo il tasto della rotellina cambio scrivania\n<cristian_c> lol\n<cristian_c> nannes, lui vuole schiacciare la rotellina come un tasto\n<cristian_c> nannes, ma vuole usare la rotellina come se non la avesse\n<cristian_c> per avere l'effetto della rotella\n<cristian_c> nannes, lo so, sembra un po' contorta come cosa :D\n<lelamal_> nannes: a quanto ho capito io, lui vuole la funzione di auto-scroll in tutti i programmi\n<cristian_c> sì\n<carloo> a dir la verità non so se è per quello, xkè prima stavo pasticciando con \"CompizConfig\"\n<cristian_c> la funzione della rotella\n<cristian_c> lol\n<cristian_c> nannes, cioè vuole usare la rotella per scrollare, ma senza scrollarla, ma bensì schiacciandola e muovendo il mouse\n<cristian_c> come se non si avesse la rotella\n<cristian_c> ecco perché parlavo di wheel emulation\n<nannes> ahh ora ho capito che vuole XD\n<nannes> si è la wheel emulation\n<nannes> XDXD\n<nannes> perchè l'autoscroll di per se' è una caratteristica da abilitabile/gestibile dal software stesso quindi non mi tornava XDF\n<cristian_c> nannes, vai con il comando giusto\n<cristian_c> anzi rimettiamogli il comando precedente a posto prima\n<cristian_c> cioè a 0\n<nannes> si dagli il comando... è uguale al mio solo con lo zero\n<carloo> questo comando se non fa conflitto con l'altro lo terrei volentieri!\n<nannes> nel mentre sto vedendo come scegliere il tasto assassino... perchè puoi scegliere quale usare...e lui vuole quello centrale!\n<drhoffyep7> Ciao! mi servirebbe aiuto per configurare un access point? qua le info: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1003521/\n<cristian_c> carloo, xinput set-int-prop \"PIXART USB OPTICAL MOUSE\" \"Evdev Middle Button Emulation\" 8 0\n<jester-> dr4kk4r^: da nm aggiungi wifi -->modo -->Ad-hoc\n<carloo> fatto\n<nannes> ha detto che gli andava bene cristian_c !\n<cristian_c> ah\n<nannes> vabè\n<cristian_c> ora il prossimo comando\n<nannes> intanto ho trovato lo schema dei tasti del mouse :P il tasto della rotellina è il 2 :P\n<nannes> quindi\n<cristian_c> \tEvdev Wheel Emulation (270):\t0\n<nannes> questo è il primo\n<nannes> xinput set-int-prop \"PIXART USB OPTICAL MOUSE\" \"Evdev Wheel Emulation\" 8 1\n<cristian_c> nannes, magari proviamo prima questo e se va bene anche l'altro\n<nannes> questo è il secondo\n<nannes> xinput set-int-prop \"PIXART USB OPTICAL MOUSE\" \"Evdev Wheel Emulation Button\" 8 2\n<nannes> così dovrebbe andare come vuoi tu\n<cristian_c> lol\n<drhoffyep7> Jester: ti riferivi a me?\n<cristian_c> ah, è vero, al momento il valore era 4\n<carloo> FUNZIONA!!!!\n<Drizamanuber> ho problemi a impostare la mail di yahoo per evolution\n<cristian_c> nannes, sei un mostro XD\n<drhoffyep7> mi servirebbe aiuto a impostare un access point\n<nannes> lol è na cazzata! XD\n<carloo> grazie!!!\n<cristian_c> carloo, nulla è impossibile con gnu/linux (o quasi)\n<carloo> per curiosità da quanto usare linux e come avete imparato tutti questi comandi?\n<nannes> Drizamanuber: guarda le guide di yahoo... ogni gestore mette le istruzioni a disposizione.. poi van bene per tutti i clients\n<cristian_c> !chat | carloo\n<ubot-it> carloo: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<carloo> ook\n<Drizamanuber> nannes: seguendo le loro impostazioni non riesco\n<nannes> carloo: quando si dimenticano i comandi, ci sono i \"man\" oppure \"nomecomando --help\"!! non devi avere la memoria di Pico della Mirandola :D\n<Drizamanuber> non è la priima mail che imposto\n<Drizamanuber> le altre funzionano tutte benissimo\n<nannes> Drizamanuber: ah... forse c'è un blocco per i clients (come per Gmail)\n<nannes> Drizamanuber: ma che errore da'\n<jester-> dr4kk4r^: da nm aggiungi wifi -->modo -->Ad-hoc\n<Drizamanuber> non accetta la password\n<carloo> no xò io conosco a mala pena sudo apt-get update! XD XD più di quello non so fare!\n<jester-> drhoffyep7: metti un bessid e in ipv4 lasci automatico dhcp\n<drhoffyep7> Il problema e che non mi serve un ap \"classico\" ma ho una configurazione \"esotica\" qua il link con le varie info: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1003521/\n<nannes> e poi dovrai reindirizzare il traffico sull'altra interfaccia con IPTABLES drhoffyep7\n<nannes> (dopo avere configurato il proxy)\n<drhoffyep7> Scusa ma di networking sono proprio nuovo!! Mi sapresti indicare i comandi eth1 e l'interfaccia che si collega a internet e wlan1 e l'accesspoint\n<zappo_> nannes,ho installato il plugin che mi hai drtto prima ma mi da questo errore Plz check your settings about audio decoder path faad2 [www.audiocoding.com/faad2.html]\n<nannes> drhoffyep7: ora pensa a fare la rete ad-hoc su wlan1 come ha detto jester\n<drhoffyep7> ok\n<drhoffyep7> va bene da network manager?\n<nannes> si\n<nannes> zappo_: devi installare l'intero pacchetto dei codecs per avere il faad2\n<zappo_> nannes, e come si fa?\n<Drizamanuber> nannes:io per questa sera mollo il colpo, ciao e buona serata\n<drhoffyep7> nanes: scusa ma non ho ben capito mi puoi indicare i passaggi e cos'e il bessid?\n<nannes> o forse no :P prova questo zappo_ â sudo apt-get install faad faad2-dbg libfaad-dev libfaad2 xmms2-plugin-faad\n<zappo_> nannes, ok grazie\n<nannes> -.-' drhoffyep7 leggiti qualcosa sulle reti, è brutto fare tutto su dettatura senza saper che succede a livello macchina ...a cosa servono i comandi...\n<nannes> cacchiolina non ricordo il nome del plugin pack.... va bè\n<nannes> mi sà che serviranno anche questi zappo_ â sudo apt-get install xmms2-plugin-mp4 libmp4v2-0 libmp4v2-dev libmpeg4ip-0 libmpeg4ip-dev libmpeg4ip-doc\n<giorgio70> ciao\n<nannes> ciao giorgio70!\n<giorgio70> nannes, ciao\n<giorgio70> ubuntu 12.04; come mai ogni tano appaiono gli apport ?\n<zappo_> nannes, adesso funzia installo comunque?\n<nannes> zappo_: ah no se funzia rimani cosi! :D\n<giorgio70> ad esempio ora è apparso : ubuntu 12.04:ha riscontrato un errore interno\n<drhoffyep7> Ho provato a guardare in rete ma non ho trovato una guida per fare un access point come serve a me? non potresti indicarmi una guida?\n<drhoffyep7> ho impostato hostapd senza problemi! devo configurare dhcpd e capire come si \"bypassa\" il proxy\n<nannes> eeeh... combattere è inutile -.-'\n<giorgio70> ma va\n<nannes> no non dicevo a te giorgio70 :D\n<giorgio70> è una metafora ?\n<drhoffyep7> credo si riferisse a me\n<nannes> giorgio70: cos'è un apport?! :s\n<nannes> drhoffyep7: Ma il proxy di per sè sei riuscito a configurarlo o no?\n<drhoffyep7> Lo so sono un cane ha spiegarmi! Io mi connetto con il wifi a una rete. questa rete per farti andare in internet devi configurare un proxy. Il problema e che molti cellulari non gestiscono i proxy allora ho pensato di usare il mio portatile come ripetiore visto che ha 2 interfaccie wireless.\n<Joshua^Dunamis> giorgio70: l'apport è in maniera semplice un sistema di monitoraggio dei programmi e del sistema, se indica un errore, apri i dettagli e vedi qual'è il programma che genera l'errore, in più fai continua in modo da inviare il report a chi cercherà di risolvere il bug\n<drhoffyep7> Io mi connetto senza problemi al proxy e in internet! e creare un accesspoint che mi riesce difficile\n<nannes> anche a scrivere italiano drhoffyep7 XD\n<nannes> drhoffyep7: Prima di tutto devi scegliere se gestirlo da network manager oppure da terminale (interfaces,profiles ecc)\n<drhoffyep7> Si! anche quello! Non mi faccio mancare niente! XD (a mia discolpa sto scrivendo al buio)\n<nannes> ah ok sei perdonato .D\n<drhoffyep7> Preferirei gestirlo da terminale perchè devo applicare anche un macfilter\n<giorgio70> Joshua^Dunamis, ok\n<drhoffyep7> è ho visto come si fa con hostapd\n<giorgio70> Joshua^Dunamis, grazie\n<nannes> bien\n<nannes> drhoffyep7: masticati questa https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessAccessPoint\n<nannes> drhoffyep7: e intanto imposta l'IP statico per l'interfacia che farà da access point\n<drhoffyep7> Ma poi come faccio a far connettere più dispositivi conteporaneamente?\n<nannes> poi il comando per farlo da terminale è iwconfig\n<nannes> drhoffyep7: mettendo la tua scheda wireless in modalità master!!!ù\n<nannes> però c'è da vedere se la supporta :D non tutte le schede lo fanno :D\n<drhoffyep7> Ahh! Ok ora guardo! io ho una alink Technology, Corp. RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter.\n<nannes> LOL\n<drhoffyep7> LOL??\n<nannes> ho paura di no XD ma prova va..\n<nannes> fai cos' per vedere se supporta: sudo iwconfig wlan1\n<nannes> mode master\n<nannes> sudo iwconfig wlan1 mode master\n<nannes> se esce un errore.. trema\n<drhoffyep7> con quella usb non ci sono riuscito ora provo con la broadcom: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1003640/\n<drhoffyep7> mi disconetto un attimo\n<nannes> noo\n<nannes> fermoo\n<nannes> è senza le virgolette, magrebino! :D\n<nannes> drhoffyep7: ^\n<nannes> -.-''''''\n<ep7drhoffy622it> stesso outpud per la broadcom!! Però (nella mia immensa ignoranza) non capisco quando ho impostato un semplice access point senza mac filter proxy e cavolate varie andava tutto!! e in più con hostapd sono riuscito a far connettere un altro pc al mio! poi però non riceveva l'indirzzo perche non avevo il server dhcpd\n<nannes> perchè va senza virgolette il master!!! XD\n<nannes> io te l'ho detto ma sei scappato\n<Ryccardo> mi segnalano che c'è un errore nella manpage di kill (sia su Ubuntu che Debian) -- si può ottenere una lista dei segnali con `kill -L` ma deve essere in minuscolo\n<ep7drhoffy622it> sisi ero di fretta! comunque anche senza virgolette da lo stesso errore! (le virgolette erano la mia seconda opzione)\n<nannes> con tutte e due le interfacce?\n<ep7drhoffy622it> si! http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1003654/ guarda un po tu magari (molto probabilmente) sbaglio qualcosa\n<nannes> la scheda non lo supporta..\n<nannes> Forse ci sono driver appositi... ridammi il modello please..!\n<ep7drhoffy622it> Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter (con hostapd: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1003662/)\n<nannes> dai in fase di sperimentazione non puoi tenere il MAC block abilitato!!! fallo dopo LOL\n<nannes> e per la password stessa storia\n<ep7drhoffy622it> ho inserito i mac dei telefoni e del'altro pc che usavo per test!! Ho preferito tenere tutto attivo per verificare che funzionasse tutto! è cosi era finche non arrivava alla fase di assegnamento dell'indirizzo! Non sono risuscito a configuare dhcpd\n<nannes> no no no. disattiva. sia mac che psw\n<nannes> non ha senso\n<nannes> ora\n<ep7drhoffy622it> Ok! ma ora come ora non posso testare la mia configurazione perchè l'altro pc non è disponibile!\n<ep7drhoffy622it> almeno che non mi \"testi\" da solo la connessione sfruttando l'altra scheda wifi\n<ep7drhoffy622it> Grazie per la pazienza\n<ep7drhoffy622it> il problema principale per me adesso e sapere come impostare dhcpd\n<ep7drhoffy622it> ho dato un occhiata al file di configurazione ma non ho capito molto\n<nannes> è inutile senza un altro pc... mi dispiace ma non procedo ...\n<neramarea> 'sera. update mi da' in continuazione due pacchetti non aggiornati: gir1.2-clutter-1.0 e libclutter-1.0-0. PICCHE'?\n<neramarea> pardon... upgrade\n<neramarea> si può forzare?\n<dod_> neramarea sudo dpkg --configure -a che dice? metti in paste\n<neramarea> dod_ non dice nulla...\n<dod_> che versione hai di ubuntu?\n<neramarea> 12\n<Kalce> buonasera a tutti\n<Kalce> io uso easy peasy di derivazione da ubuntu 10.04 . Nel mio utente ho cambiato password. Ora tutte le volte che vi accedo mi chiede anche la password del portachiavi di sicurezza ( che è rimasta la vecchia ). Come posso sincrnizzarla con la nuova?\n<Carlin0> cambia la pass anche del portachiavi\n<tony___> salve a tutti\n<tony___> ho un problemino nell'stallare ubuntu...chi mi può aiutare?\n<tony___> ho un probelemino nell'istallare ubuntu\n<tony___> perchè io scrivo una cosa e me ne esce un'altra?\n<tony___> c'è qualcuno\n<tony___> come mai provo a istallare sul pc ubunto e si istalla sulla penna usb?\n<Carlin0> !qualcuno\n<ubot-it> la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n#ubuntu-it 2012-05-24\n<Carlin0> buonanotte\n<dem> problemi con aggiornamenti software,\n<dem> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1004049/\n<BetaBrain> giorno\n<mizusan> ciao, ho problemi con gparted, non riesco a fare nulla su partizione ntfs...\n<DaVinciIT> buongiorno. vorrei usare ubuntu in azienda e sto cercando una società che sia in grado di supportarci nella configurazione.\n<glpiana> ola\n<Odo> Giorno\n<TaLaDo> Come faccio a mettere tutto in italiano Thunderbird?\n<jester-> TaLaDo: installa il pacchetto della lingua it\n<TaLaDo> jester-, pare ci sia\n<TaLaDo> ma i menù e altre cose restano in inglese\n<jester-> pare o c'è\n<TaLaDo> aspetta ti posto una videata\n<DAMN3dg1rl> TaLaDo, imagebin.org\n<Holden> TaLaDo, sistema/amministrazione/supporto lingue e vedi se ti dice di installare qualche pacchetto\n<TaLaDo> http://imagebin.org/213666\n<jester-> TaLaDo: fa vedere dpkg -l | grep thunderbird\n<TaLaDo> jester-, http://pastebin.com/atqCyiCw\n<TaLaDo> Holden, http://imagebin.org/213667\n<Holden> TaLaDo, quando hai aperto quella finestra, ti ha avvisato che mancavano pacchetti?\n<TaLaDo> no\n<jester-> TaLaDo: cliicca disable\n<TaLaDo> si mi dice che per rendere attiva la cosa devo riavviare thunderbird\n<TaLaDo> riavvio?\n<jester-> direi di si\n<TaLaDo> bene riavviato ma non è cambiato nulla\n<jester-> TaLaDo: adesso riabilitalo\n<TaLaDo> fatto e riavviato ma... come prima\n<TaLaDo> lasciamo stare tanto funziona ugualmente\n<jester-> TaLaDo: sudo apt-get install --reinstall thunderbird-locale-it\n<nanaep7> Giorno avrei bisogno d'aiuto per impostare un proxy\n<jester-> TaLaDo: fa vedere dpkg -S /etc/issue\n<TaLaDo> aspetta che sta facendo il comando precedente\n<glpiana> nanaep7, spiega cosa vuoi fare\n<Guest78744> salve ragazzi, ho intenzione di passare da winzoz a ubuntu, sto provando il cd live ma il computer è estremamente lento, e il lettore fa un rumore strano.\n<glpiana> Guest78744, se il tuo pc fa boot da usb, crea una live usb e provalo da lì\n<Guest78744> e come si fa :) una live usb :)\n<nanaep7> Ho creato un access point(wlan1) che dovrebbe fare da Bypass per un proxy sulla rete che uso per connettermi a intenet(eth1) In pratica chi si connette a wlan1 NON deve impostare il proxy\n<glpiana> da windows devi usare http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ per esempio\n<TaLaDo> jester-, sono due righe copio qui?\n<jester-> si\n<TaLaDo> franco@franco-stazione01:~$ dpkg -S /etc/issue\n<TaLaDo> base-files: /etc/issue\n<glpiana> nanaep7, guarda qui se ti è utile http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Server/Proxy\n<jester-> TaLaDo: dopo il reinstall ?\n<TaLaDo> ho riavviato thinderbird ma niente come prima\n<TaLaDo> thunderbird\n<jester-> TaLaDo: prova a rinominare la cartella .thunderbird\n<jester-> non cancellarla\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, apri modifica -> preferenze e clicca su gestione componenti aggiuntivi\n<nanaep7> Ho guardato ma non devo creare un proxy. Io sono connesso a internet trammite eth1 e per andare su internet| Però gli smartphone non possono impostare il proxy quindi volevo creare un accesspoint con il proxy già impostato\n<jester-> ]ff0\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, poi vai in Lingua\n<TaLaDo> ehm scusate ho rinominato la cartella che faccio riavvio thunderbird prima di quei comandi glpiana ?\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, se hai già rinominato segui jester-\n<glpiana> nanaep7, devi usare il tuo pc per autenticare gli accessi o devi fare altro?\n<TaLaDo> si ho rinominato e ora mi chede di riconfigurare l'account di posta\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, ora è in italiano?\n<jester-> TaLaDo: è in ita o ancora in inglese\n<TaLaDo> ma è in inglese\n<jester-> strana sta cosa\n<TaLaDo> e lo so per quello chiedevo a voi\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, allora interrompi, chiudi thunderbird, rimuovi la nuova .thunderbird, rinomina la vecchia\n<TaLaDo> io non sono riuscito a fare nulla\n<jester-> TaLaDo: cancella la cartella appena riformata e ripristina la precedente\n<TaLaDo> ok\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, poi prova dalle preferenze a cambiare la lingua\n<jester-> TaLaDo: e fai cme ha detto glpiana\n<glpiana> nanaep7, o devi semplicemente condividere la connessione tramite il pc?\n<TaLaDo> grazie del vostro interesse ma niente da fare\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, sei andato su lingue? come è impostato?\n<TaLaDo> glpiana, allora io sono andato nelle adons ma c'è italiano\n<TaLaDo> se mi spieghi meglio cosa intendi tu forse ci arrivo\n<TaLaDo> in edit>preference non trovo lingue o roba simile\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, dimmi quali sono le voci che vedi elencate nella colonna sinistra dei componenti aggiuntivi\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, modifica -> preferenze -> gestione componenti aggiuntivi (che sarà add ons in inglese)\n<TaLaDo> si\n<TaLaDo> ho mandato la schermata prima\n<TaLaDo> comunque la rimando se vuoi\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, se l'hai già mandata dammi il link\n<glpiana> tra le schermate che hai mandato vedo solo quella delle impostazioni di sistema\n<TaLaDo> http://imagebin.org/213670\n<glpiana> ok\n<glpiana> vista\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, metti su pastebin l'output di: dpkg -l | grep lang\n<TaLaDo> http://pastebin.com/5rNj8dyA\n<glpiana> TaLaDo, solo thunderbird ti da sto problema o anche altri programmi?\n<TaLaDo> solo thunderbird\n<glpiana> dammi gli output di: cat /etc/default/locale e di env | egrep 'LANG|LC_'\n<TaLaDo> http://pastebin.com/sgpdp47i\n<TaLaDo> http://pastebin.com/UpbwTGQm\n<enzotib> TaLaDo, lascia solo la prima riga in /etc/default/locale\n<TaLaDo> enzotib, in che senso?\n<enzotib> TaLaDo, gksu gedit /etc/default/locale\n<enzotib> TaLaDo, e cancelli tutto tranne la prima riga\n<nanaep7> Mi spiego io sono connesso a internet alla connessione \"RETE1\" per navigare devo usare un porxy che ho impstato su tutto il sistema trammite il centro di controllo. Però ho un paio di smartphone che devo connettere a internett ma che non gestiscono i proxy\n<nanaep7> trammite hostapd volevo creare un accesspoint che bypassasse il proxy (che non ha autenticazione)\n<TaLaDo> enzotib, cioè lascio solo LANG=\"it_IT.UTF-8\" e cancello tutto il resto esatto\n<TaLaDo> ?\n<enzotib> TaLaDo, sì\n<TaLaDo> ok\n<enzotib> TaLaDo, salva, chiudi, e poi fammi vedere il contenuto del file ~/.profile\n<TaLaDo> enzotib, http://pastebin.com/KrRV1Kcz\n<glpiana> nanaep7, dimmi se ho capito: tu hai un pc che si connette a internet tramite proxy. con questo pc vuoi creare un access point cui collegare degli smartphone, fin qui ci sono?\n<nanaep7> isi\n<nanaep7> si\n<enzotib> TaLaDo, e ora /etc/profile\n<glpiana> nanaep7, quindi vuoi condividere la connessione internet del pc con questi smartphone, corretto?\n<nanaep7> si\n<glpiana> nanaep7, allora mettiamo da parte il proxy, che tanto già il pc si collega a quello. dimentichiamocelo\n<glpiana> nanaep7, e vediamo di condividere la connessione tramite wifi. pensi possa essere sufficiente?\n<TaLaDo> enzotib, http://pastebin.com/ZpikSdwq\n<nanaep7> Ok! gli smarphone si collegano senza problemi al mio pc! Uso hostapd e ho impostato dhcp\n<enzotib> TaLaDo, /etc/environment\n<glpiana> nanaep7, se la connessione è condivisa allora dovrebbero navigare sans problem, immagino\n<nanaep7> glpiana no perche gli smartphone non hanno impostato il proxy\n<TaLaDo> enzotib, http://pastebin.com/FXiSgTmS\n<enzotib> TaLaDo, gksu gedit /etc/environment, anche qui lascia solo la prima riga\n<TaLaDo> ok\n<tank> ciao a tutti\n<TaLaDo> enzotib, quindi lascio solo la riga con PATH=\"/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games\" ed elimino il resto?\n<enzotib> TaLaDo, sì\n<TaLaDo> ok\n<TaLaDo> fatto\n<enzotib> TaLaDo, riavvia la sessione\n<TaLaDo> ok\n<jester-> NGEN\n<glpiana> nanaep7, ma per forza sto hostapd devi usare? non puoi configurare network manager perchè condivida la wifi?\n<glpiana> *condivida tramite wifi\n<nanaep7> glpiana Per impostare il macfilter !\n<glpiana> ip ip urrà !\n<enzotib> lol\n<nanaep7> Sto impazzendo! oggi a casa faccio i test con un computer e non con un iphone delle balle\n<TaLaDo> enzotib, tutto come prima\n<TaLaDo> lasciamo perdere :)\n<enzotib> TaLaDo, dammi di nuovo l'output di cat /etc/default/locale e di env | egrep 'LANG|LC_'\n<TaLaDo> ok\n<enzotib> TaLaDo, se vuoi lasciar perdere, decidi tu\n<enzotib> non sarò io a obbligarti :)\n<TaLaDo> enzotib, è una sola riga la metto qui: LANG=\"it_IT.UTF-8\"\n<enzotib> ok\n<TaLaDo> sia per un comando che per l'altro\n<TaLaDo> è uguale\n<enzotib> TaLaDo, dpkg -l | grep thunderbird\n<glpiana> nanaep7, hai provato a farlo tramite network manager?\n<nanaep7> si ma non mi lascia impostare la wpa e a me serve la wpa\n<glpiana> nanaep7, e fai wep. non puoi usare wep?\n<TaLaDo> enzotib, scusa il ritardo... http://pastebin.com/TXCUc5Xv\n<enzotib> TaLaDo, l'unica differenza che vedo è che io mi trovo installati anche thunderbird-locale-en e locale-en-us\n<TaLaDo> enzotib, non so che dirti\n<enzotib> TaLaDo, prova a installarli\n<TaLaDo> mi dici come fare altrimenti faccio danni\n<Holden> TaLaDo, per curiosità , hai cercato su google... spesso altre persone hanno problemi di questo tipo e a volte dopo mille tentativi trovano la soluzione...\n<enzotib> TaLaDo, sudo apt-get install thunderbird-locale-en thunderbird-locale-en-us\n<enzotib> Holden, e come la trovano? :)\n<nanaep7> no qui è pieno di hacker!! in questo momento continuano a fare accessi al mio ssh\n<TaLaDo> Holden, si ma forse io ne ho fatti 2000 ma nulla\n<enzotib> !info fail2ban\n<ubot-it> fail2ban (source: fail2ban): ban hosts that cause multiple authentication errors. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-3 (precise), package size 82 kB, installed size 414 kB\n<enzotib> nanaep7, ^^\n<Holden> enzotib, di solito per trial-and-error, volevo risparmiare a TaLaDo l'estenuante processo :D\n<jester-> NGEN\n<nanaep7> glpiana la wep me la craccano in 10 secondi con 3 dispositivi collegati\n<TaLaDo> enzotib, installati riavviato ma nulla ti ringrazio comunque\n<tre5> salve\n<fasos> buongiorno a tutto il canale\n<fasos> ho bisogno di un aiutino\n<fasos> come al solito\n<glpiana> !aiuto | fasos\n<ubot-it> fasos: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<fasos> ok\n<fasos> il mio firefox non carica nessun tipo di video dal web, ho anche controllato i plug-in e ci sono sia per flash che mediamplayer, cosa dovrei fare ho anche reinstallato, nulla!\n<glpiana> !flash | fasos\n<ubot-it> fasos: Guida all'installazione del plugin Flash: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/InternetRete/Flash | Guida alla risoluzione dei problemi di Flash: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/InternetRete/Flash#Risoluzione_dei_problemi\n<fasos> se lo carico da terminale leggo questi errori: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1004435/\n<glpiana> fasos, comincia a seguire la guida che ti ho indicato. se la cosa non si risolve ne riparliamo\n<fasos> ok ricevuto\n<Knam> ciao\n<Knam> qui ci sono le stesse persone che rispondono sul lunchpad?\n<glpiana> O.o\n<glpiana> Knam, direi di no\n<glpiana> leggi il topic\n<Knam> glpiana: non ho capito\n<glpiana> Knam, no, qui non ci sono le stesse persone che rispondono su launchpad. leggi il topic per farti una idea dello scopo di questo canale\n<glpiana> !topic | Knam\n<ubot-it> Knam: per vedere il topic, scrivi /topic.\n<Knam> glpiana: ecco, mi mancava quello!\n<Knam> glpiana: cmq se scrivi /topic non funziona\n<Knam> glpiana: ho una domanda\n<glpiana> Knam, sul client di freenode non va, ma se usi un client irc come xchat /topic funziona\n<Knam> glpiana: ubuntu 12 in dual boot con w7. Dopo l'installazione di ubuntu con pennina usb il grub non funziona. Se lascio la pennina usb inserita il grub funziona\n<glpiana> Knam, durante l'installazione grub è stato installato nel master boot record della chiavetta inevce che in quello del disco. ora sei da ubuntu installata?\n<Knam> glpiana: ma che furbata, e perchè nessuno l'ha scritto nel wiki? si sono su ubuntu\n<glpiana> Knam, da quando è uscita 12.04 ho sentito sta roba solo da te e da un altro utente, per cui non penso accada così di sovente\n<glpiana> Knam, scrivi nel terminale: sudo fdisk -l e metti l'output su pastebin\n<glpiana> !paste | Knam\n<ubot-it> Knam: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Knam> glpiana: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1004445/\n<glpiana> scrivi: sudo grub-install /dev/sda\n<glpiana> Knam, fatto?\n<Knam> glpiana: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1004449/\n<Knam> glpiana: ci sei?\n<glpiana> Knam, sì un secondo. sto cercadno di capire cosa è sto flexnet\n<jester-> ha messo qualche puttanta\n<Knam> glpiana: certo grazie\n<glpiana> Knam, prova comunque a dare: sudo update-grub\n<Knam> glpiana: ok lo faccio. se ti può aiutare leggi qui: http://forum.debianizzati.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=43138 è legato ai software adobe. e su windows ne ho parecchi\n<glpiana> Knam, che versione di ubuntu hai?\n<Knam> glpiana: l'ultima, messa ieri\n<Knam> glpiana: posso riavviare?\n<glpiana> speriamo di non aver sminchiato la prima partizione\n<Knam> glpiana: cosa dovrebbe accadere senno?\n<Knam> glpiana: anzi, dimmi quando ti trovo perche ora devo uscire.\n<glpiana> Knam, boh, tipo non parte più windows\n<Knam> glpiana: ok, ma il grub sulla penna è intatto, partirebbe intanto con quello, no?\n<glpiana> Knam, se abbiamo tocchicciato la partizion dei windows no, ma non credo perchè l'errore parla di settore 32 mentre la prima di windows parte al 2048\n<glpiana> Knam, riavvia e vediamo che è successo, tanto nel caso ormai il danno è fatto. l'update-grub l'hai dato?\n<Knam> glpiana: si, dato. però in ogni caso non posso rimanere dopo il riavvio. CI dobbiamo risentire dopo. grazie\n<glpiana> Knam, se tornassi a dire se funziona o meno mangerei più rilassato\n<Knam> glpiana: ok\n<Knam> glpiana: ok va\n<glpiana> anche windows?\n<Knam> glpiana: si, ho riavviato prima in wind e poi in ubuntu\n<glpiana> oki\n<Knam> glpiana: grazir\n<TaLaDo> Per correttezza volevo dirvi che ho risolto con thunderbird scaricando dal sito una versione in italiano\n<enzotib> TaLaDo, ok, grazie\n<TaLaDo> grazie a te\n<steelerbackup> ciao ^^, sto facendo backup da LIVE. Non ho i permessi per accedere/salvare alcune cartelle o file nella home locale. soluzioni ??\n<Menphis> ciao,vorrei installare grub su un disco esterno su cui è installato linux\n<Menphis> grub 2\n<Menphis> scusate per la domanda,credo di aver risolto :)\n<glpiana> steelerbackup, scrivi nel terminale gksu nautilus e opera come suprutente\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: sei un mito.\n<glpiana> lol\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: x caso scade il root'? devo andare prendere un hhd esterno fuori casa.\n<naxil> ciao a tutti\n<DD3my> buongiorno\n<naxil> ho fatto una regola iptables per condividere la connessione (e tutto funziona) ora per non dover ridare tutte le volte questo comando? iptables-restore < /etc/iptables-condivisione.rules\n<glpiana> steelerbackup, fin che nautilus è aperto non scade\n<tre5> Buon giorno\n<naxil> buonpomeriggio\n<naxil> glpiana.. scusa ma come faccio a fare in automatico questo? iptables-restore < /etc/iptables-condivisione.rules\n<tre5> stavo cercando di caricare in pastebin.ubuntu.com una finestra di terminale che ho catturato , per chiedere consigli, ma visualizza solo il percorso e non si vede l' immagine, c'è da selezionare qualche formato in particolare?\n<glpiana> naxil, potresti metterlo in uno script e farlo eseguire da rc.local\n<naxil> ma c'e' un file che viene caricato ogni volta da ubuntu?\n<naxil> come lo chiamo?\n<glpiana> naxil, ma perchè devi fare una cosa del genere? le regole imposti spariscono quando fai reboot?\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: quindi insomma quando si fa backup da live dare un sudo -s e poi gksu nautilus ?\n<naxil> sembrerebbe di si\n<glpiana> steelerbackup, sudo -s non serve, basta gksu nautilus per avere i privilegi di super utente\n<naxil> e poi na cosa strana.. ora non mi chiede piu la pass .. per sudosu.. perche?\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: okay ^^\n<glpiana> naxil, l'avrai già scritta una volta\n<naxil> oppure la password iniziale e' a tempo come quella del terminale?\n<naxil> cioe' la pass che metto per login regge sudo?\n<glpiana> naxil, no, non fare confusione. se hai già scritto la password nel terminale la tiene in memoria per un po'. se hai dato sudo su sei superutente e quindi è logico che non te la chieda\n<naxil> ma veramente io non l0avevo scritta. l'unica che avevo scritto era quella del login\n<naxil> forse qualche programma che avvio fa in auto sudo?\n<sergios> salve a tutti continuo ad avere problemi con l'installazione di ubuntu in dual boot con windows! Sono sicuro di aver fatto tutto bene seguendo la wiki! ma continua a darmi lo stesso problema: al riavvio del sistema mi da il seguente messaggio \"error: unknown filesystem\" e sulla riga sotto \"grub rescue>_\" con underscore lampeggiante. Chi mi sa aiutare?\n<glpiana> naxil, non di default\n<glpiana> sergios, sei da live ora?\n<naxil> come vedo quando e perche vengono dati i privilegi? c'e' na tabella che mi dice dove vengono dati eventualmente in automatico?\n<sergios> glpiana sono da una ltro pc ma sto installando xchat da live sul pc in questione\n<sergios> *un altro\n<glpiana> sergios, oki, allora collegati con il pc in questione che guardiamo\n<tre5> scusate, per visualizzare le immagini su pastebin,ubuntu.com , c'è da selezionare qualche tipo di linguaggio in particolare?\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: comunque non mi fa copiare niente, misà che formatto così.\n<glpiana> tre5, non si usa pastebin per quello\n<glpiana> !image | tre5\n<ubot-it> tre5: Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<glpiana> steelerbackup, non ti fa copiare niente e che errore da?\n<tre5> scusate ancora e grazie ubot-it\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: sempre di permessi\n<sergioss> glpiana eccomi dal pc malato! :)\n<glpiana> sergioss, nel terminale: sudo fdisk -l e poi su pastebin\n<glpiana> steelerbackup, apri un terminale e scrivi: mount e copia l'output su pastebin\n<glpiana> naxil, ma tu avvii ufw all'avivo del pc?\n<naxil> cosa e' ufw?\n<naxil> credo sia il mobilepartner\n<naxil> sai che ha settato pp0 come eth2 virtuale?\n<glpiana> naxil, http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Sicurezza/Ufw\n<naxil> cosa che a mano non so se ci sarei riuscito\n<naxil> cmq praticamente si puo gestire un pp0 come una eth \"virtuale\" vero?\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1004589/\n<glpiana> sergios, hai letto il comando che devi dare?\n<glpiana> steelerbackup, su quale disco stai cercando di scrivere?\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: su un HDD esterno 250GB\n<sergioss> glpiana: http://pastebin.com/3ysWWWtN\n<glpiana> steelerbackup, da una lista di file ne riconosceresti il contenuto? in questo caso dai: ls /media/CT22 e dammi conferma\n<glpiana> sergioss, ti faccio dare un po' di comandi\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mnt\n<sergioss> fatto\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: ls: cannot access /media/CT22: No such file or directory\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys\n<glpiana> steelerbackup, ridai mount\n<glpiana> copiami qui l'ultima riga\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: misà che l'hdd esterno non ha i permessi..\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: /dev/sdb1 on /media/CT22 250GB type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=999,gid=999,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush)\n<glpiana> steelerbackup, no ho capito, la dir ha lo spazio in mezzo vero? si chiama CT22 250GB ?\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: si ha lo spazio.\n<sergioss> glpiana, fatto! (sei un multitasking man!)\n<sergioss> se vuoi aspetto...\n<glpiana> steelerbackup, scrivi: sudo mkdir /media/disco\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo chroot /mnt\n<glpiana> sergioss, dovrebbe cambiarti il prompt da $ a #\n<glpiana> steelerbackup, poi dai sudo umount /dev/sdb1 e dopo sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/disco\n<tre5> Salve ,\n<tre5> ora invio il riferimento ad imagebin.org con l' immagine del resoconto di sensors. chiedo se i due valori alla terzultima e quintiltima riga sono preoccupanti o se è normale così. http://imagebin.org/213688\n<tre5> grazie.\n<sergioss> glpiana esatto, adesso sono in root@ubuntu:/#\n<glpiana> tre5, io penso siano inattendibili\n<naxil> scusa na cosa glpiana ma ufw e' solo un interfaccia semplificata.. ma praticamente agisce sempre su iptables giusto? quindi dando ufw disable non si disattiva il firewall ma solo ufw? giusto? ho capito bene?\n<glpiana> sergioss, scrivi: cat /etc/issue\n<tre5> galpiana, grazie\n<sergioss> glpiana cat /etc/issue -> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS \\n \\l\n<glpiana> sergioss, oki, ora: grub-install /dev/sda\n<glpiana> naxil, quando avvii il pc e dai sudo iptables-l cosa ti risponde?\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: fatto.\n<tre5> questo è quello che mi da il cat : Ubuntu 12.04 LTS \\n \\l\n<naxil> no io ufw e' la prima volta che lo sentivo\n<naxil> mi da una marea di scritte iptable -l\n<glpiana> steelerbackup, ora dai ls /media/disco e dimmi se ne vedi il contenuto\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: pare che sta copiando.\n<naxil> i\n<glpiana> naxil, adesso hai abilitato ufw?\n<sergioss> gl piana: grub-install /dev/sda /usr/sbin/grub-probe: errore: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?).\n<naxil> si ma non e' che mi serva a molto\n<glpiana> sergioss, apri un altro terminale, scrivi mount e metti su pastebin\n<naxil> non devo bloccare ip o porte specifiche..\n<naxil> volevo solo sapere come fare a caricare la regola in automatico\n<naxil> senza usare il restore\n<glpiana> naxil, allora scrivi: sudo ufw disable e poi riavvia e dimmi se subito dopo il riavvio sudo iptables -l ti mostra qualcosa\n<naxil> cmq iptables mi da sembre allowed\n<naxil> ok\n<naxil> praticamente il quel modo capisco se la regola la \"TIENE\" o nO?\n<glpiana> naxil, in quel modo so se iptables ha regole all'avivo\n<sergioss> glpiana, http://pastebin.com/VgmHWLAZ\n<naxil> ok\n<naxil> cmq glpiana io avrei modificato il file INTERFACES con questa riga pre-up /etc/network/attiva-condivisione-internet\n<glpiana> sergioss, hai saltato uno dei comandi che ti ho dato. nel temrinale con # scrivi exit\n<naxil> e' giusto farlo su ubuntu o no?\n<glpiana> naxil, non ne ho idea\n<glpiana> naxil, ma se intendi /etc/network/interfaces non penso sia il caso di scriverci dentro regole di iptables\n<naxil> e' che ho un po confusione.. ogni volta che a qualcuno chiedo : COME FARE QUESTO COMANDO IN AUTO? se ne esce con un file nuovo da editare.. na volta e' .bashrc na volta .profilena volta interfaces..\n<sergioss> glpiana scusami, fatto!\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev\n<naxil> insomma glpiana l'autoexec.bat generico di ubuntu quale sarebbe?\n<glpiana> naxil, non esiste. non sei nè su dos nè su windows. se vuoi eseguire comandi da superutente all'avivo del pc li metti in /atc/rc.local come ti ho detto prima\n<glpiana> *etc\n<naxil> capito\n<naxil> qualsiasi comando?\n<naxil> oppure faccio script piu complesso e avvio quello?\n<glpiana> naxil, meglio lo script\n<naxil> non mi interessa semplificare iptables con interfaccia\n<glpiana> naxil, che deve essere eseguibile e munito di tutto il path\n<naxil> a ok\n<naxil> posso usare la sintassi ~/?\n<glpiana> naxil, no\n<naxil> quindi /home/naxil/avvio.sh?\n<glpiana> naxil, se il file è nella home di un utente devi dare il percorso intero /home/utente/ecc. ecc.\n<naxil> ok\n<naxil> gentile come sempre grazie\n<glpiana> prego\n<sergioss> glpiana ok, ho dato anche \"sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc\" e \"sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys\"\n<glpiana> sergioss, ora sudo chroot /mnt\n<sergioss> glpiana ok\n<glpiana> sergioss, hai il prompt # ?\n<sergioss> glpiana, si\n<glpiana> sergioss, oki, ora: grub-install /dev/sda\n<sergioss> glpiana \"Installation finished. No error reported.\" :)\n<glpiana> sergioss, ora scrivi: update-grub\n<sergioss> glpiana http://pastebin.com/eun9SuE5\n<sergioss> fatto!\n<glpiana> sergioss, scrivi: exit\n<glpiana> sergioss, poi scrivi: sudo umount /mnt/dev\n<sergioss> glpiana, ok, sono in $\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: grazie, ho salvato tutto; formatti. Che mi consigli tra Natty e Mint 12 ??\n<glpiana> steelerbackup, io ti consigliere Precise Pangolin visto che è uscita da un mese\n<sergioss> glpiana fatto, devo fare lo stesso per /mnt/proc e /mnt/sys ?\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo umount /mnt/proc\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo umount /mnt/sys\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: questo PC ha il monitor 4/3 e non è ultra potente..\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo umount /mnt/\n<glpiana> steelerbackup, come interfaccia puoi mettere quello che vuoi in un secondo tempo se unity non piace/è pesante.\n<glpiana> sergioss, dopodichè riavvia e vediamo che fa al boot\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: non è mio il pc ^^\n<glpiana> steelerbackup, beh, fai scegliere a chi di dovere :D\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: mio papà ; + disinformatico :P\n<glpiana> sergioss, se funziona, come entri fai gli aggironamenti\n<steelerbackup> è\n<glpiana> lol\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: gli ho messo linux x forza ^^\n<k0ral_> non riesco a installare dropbox su ubuntu a 64bit in modo da usarlo come sono abituato su windows. chi ha voglia di aiutarmi?\n<sergioss> glpiana ne ho saltato uno e poi rifatto ma mi dice che è occupatao http://pastebin.com/u3wGT4Bx\n<steelerbackup> glpiana: formatto va, poi oggi parliamo di una cosa in query o qui, o anche stasera, grazie !!!!\n<glpiana> sergioss, mmm...\n<glpiana> scrivi mount e fa vedere l'output\n<glpiana> k0ral_, io volentieri. dimmi che hai fatto finora\n<glpiana> e anche che versione di ubuntu hai\n<k0ral_> glpiana: allora ho la 12.04 LTS\n<sergioss> glpiana http://pastebin.com/DFY58Yq5\n<k0ral_> finora ho provato ad installarlo dall'ubuntu software center\n<k0ral_> glpiana: ma non mi parte al login e mi sincronizza subito tutto come su windows\n<glpiana> k0ral_, perfetto. non hai aggiunto repository, vero?\n<k0ral_> glpiana: no\n<k0ral_> glpiana: come si fa ad aggiungerli?\n<glpiana> sergioss, ripeti i comandi umount per sys e proc\n<k0ral_> glpiana: avevo sentito che bisogna aggiungerli per installarlo da linea di comando\n<glpiana> k0ral_, no, non vanno aggiunti. apri un temrinale e scrivi: dpkg -l | grep dropbox\n<glpiana> k0ral_, non più\n<k0ral_> glpiana: non dice niente\n<sergioss> glpiana: fatto\n<glpiana> k0ral_, sudo apt-get install nautilus-dropbox\n<glpiana> sergioss, oki sudo umount /mnt\n<sergioss> glpiana: ok, andata adesso riavvio?\n<glpiana> sergioss, sì\n<sergioss> ok incrocio tutte le dita in mio possesso\n<glpiana> lol\n<k0ral_> glpiana: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1004657/\n<glpiana> k0ral_, qualcosa va storto. faccio una prova\n<k0ral_> glpiana: ieri stavo provando con enzotib ma non abbiamo risolto. ti faccio presente che sono \"dietro\" ad un proxy\n<glpiana> ah ecco\n<k0ral_> glpiana: dopo quel comando mi compare anche la finestra http://imagebin.org/213691\n<glpiana> k0ral_, allora il problema è lì, come dice anche l'errore: Error: Trouble connecting to Dropbox servers. Maybe your internet connection is down, or you need to set your http_proxy environment variable\n<k0ral_> glpiana: ok, e ieri abbiamo provato a settare la variabile in http e non andava, con https andava ma dava un altro errore\n<glpiana> k0ral_, quindi se lo fai partire e riavvii nautilus ti appare l'icona sulla brra e hai le opzioni di dropbox nel menu tasto destro su file?\n<k0ral_> glpiana: dimmi come procedo\n<glpiana> k0ral_, non so come procedere, ora cerco. intanto rispondi alla domanda\n<sergios> glpiana: il problema persiste\n<sergios> :(\n<k0ral_> glpiana: le opzioni non ho provato\n<k0ral_> glpiana: dropbox sembra partire dopo che lo installo da ubuntu software center, ma mi chiede la password di sistema e dopo non si avvia\n<glpiana> k0ral_, allora io vedo che dal menu dropbox, preferenze, si può impostare il proxy\n<sergios> glpiana: sempre lo stesso errore \"unknown file system. grub rescue\" torno in live...\n<glpiana> sergios, ok\n<k0ral_> glpiana: giusto per farti capire cosa ho fatto prima..sono riuscito ad installarlo e farlo partire così\n<k0ral_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1004666/\n<k0ral_> glpiana: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1004666/\n<k0ral_> glpiana: però quel comando dovevo darlo manualmente tutte le volte dopo il login\n<k0ral_> glpiana: alla fine con quel comando partiva, il problema era che non si avviava da solo all'avvio\n<glpiana> k0ral_, ora no l'hai dato?\n<k0ral_> no\n<k0ral_> glpiana: no\n<glpiana> k0ral_, scrivi nel temrinale: ps aux | grep dropbox\n<k0ral_> glpiana: carlo@carlolab:~$ ps aux | grep dropbox carlo 4892 0.0 0.0 13576 924 pts/1 S+ 14:48 0:00 grep --color=auto dropbox\n<glpiana> k0ral_, oki, prova a scrivere dropbox start -i\n<k0ral_> glpiana: mi compare questa finestra http://imagebin.org/213694\n<glpiana> fermo\n<sergios> glpiana: il problema nn sarà questo ma sto facendo un controllo del disco... male no gli fa!\n<glpiana> k0ral_, qualcosa non torna, a me non fa sta richiesta di autenticazione\n<glpiana> sergios, ok\n<k0ral_> glpiana: quindi? :(\n<glpiana> quindi intanto annulla quella finestra\n<k0ral_> glpiana: ok..attendo tue istruzioni\n<glpiana> k0ral_, apri il file manger, visualizza i file nascosti e dimmi quali directory che iniziano con .dropbox vedi\n<giordano_> in pi+ su ubuntu unity 12.04 cosa posso fare?\n<glpiana> giordano_, in più rispetto a cosa?\n<k0ral_> glpiana: della home?\n<glpiana> k0ral_, sì\n<giordano_> se volessi aggiungere qualche effetto in pi+ su unity cosa posso fare?\n<glpiana> giordano_, effetti grafici?\n<k0ral_> glpiana: come si visualizzando i file nascosti? se puoi meglio fare tutto da terminale, no? non era ls -al?\n<glpiana> giordano_, se proprio devi, col rischio di sminchiare tutto, installa compizconfig-settings-manager\n<glpiana> giordano_, e ripeto, se proprio devi\n<glpiana> k0ral_, da temrinale però vedi anche i file contenuti. ctrl+h in nautilus\n<giordano_> si, anche ed esempio installare gnome 3 o far partire ubuntu con un altra schemata..\n<giordano_> si, anche ed esempio installare gnome 3 o far partire ubuntu con un altra schermata..\n<glpiana> giordano_, ognome3 è già installato. sta alla base dell'interfaccia che stai usando. se intendi gnome shell scrivi: sudo apt-get install gnome-shell\n<giordano_> ok, si intendevo quella, grazie.\n<glpiana> k0ral_, anzi fai così, riavvia il pc. ora dropbox è installato quindi dovrebbe avviarsi da sè\n<glpiana> k0ral_, se al riavvio lo vedi sulla barra, dalle preferenze imposta il proxy. se non si avvia, torna qui che vediamo di farlo partire\n<glpiana> caffè\n<giordano_> fatto, installato gnome-shell, ora cosa devo fare?\n<giordano_> devo riavviare il sistema?\n<sergios> giordano_ penso sia sufficiente fare cambio utente e nella schemata principale selezionare dal menu a tendina che ti compare premendo sull'ingranaggio la voce che desideri\n<giordano_> ok\n<sergios> giordano mi sa che cambio utente non basta, prova riavviando\n<giordano_> si, me ne sono accorto, allora ci rivediamo subito.\n<sergioss> glpiana eccomi da live sul pc maledetto!\n<glpiana> sergioss, riproviamo la procedura\n<sergioss> pronto!\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mnt\n<sergioss> fatto\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev\n<glpiana> sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc\n<glpiana> sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys\n<sergioss> fatto\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo chroot /mnt\n<sergioss> glpiana: ok, sono su #\n<glpiana> sergioss, grub-install /dev/sda\n<sergioss> glpiana finito senza errori\n<glpiana> sergioss, update-grub\n<sergioss> ok\n<sergioss> fatto\n<glpiana> sergioss, grub-install --recheck /dev/sda\n<sergioss> glpiana: installazione eseguita senza errori\n<glpiana> boh, exit\n<sergioss> lol\n<glpiana> sudo umount /mnt/dev\n<glpiana> sudo umount /mnt/proc\n<glpiana> sudo umount /mnt/sys\n<glpiana> sudo umount /mnt\n<sergioss> plpiana: fatto. riavvio?\n<sergioss> glpiana: riavvio?\n<glpiana> sergioss, dammi l'outpu di sudo fdisk -l che controlo una cosa\n<glpiana> *controllo\n<sergioss> glpiana eccolo http://pastebin.com/XvWQRfXF\n<glpiana> sergioss, hai windows xp?\n<sergioss> allora è un windows xp home edition installato con recovery disk: fa tutto da solo\n<glpiana> sergioss, oki, riavvia, se non va proviamo un ripristino di mbr e poi di nuovo la procedura di adesso\n<sergioss> ok, a fra poco\n<sergioss> glpiana: ps: la cosa strana è che si installa su una fat32 anche se io gli preparo una bella ntfs... lui la riformatta\n<sergioss> :S\n<glpiana> sergioss, eh beh. dai riavvia\n<sergioss> ok\n<sergios> glpiana: error: unknown file system . grub rescue>_\n<sergios> glpiana una ttimo di pasienza che rientro da live\n<glpiana> sergios, 32 o 64 bit?\n<sergios> 32\n<glpiana> oki\n<glpiana> attendo\n<sergios> o cacchio... non vorrei che ho installato una 64bit su un sistema a 32 :S\n<sergios> possibile?\n<glpiana> impossibile\n<sergios> ok :)\n<sergios> allora confermo, 32!\n<glpiana> sergios, ci siamo quasi?\n<sergios> glpiana sto installando xchat\n<sergios> glpiana c'è già un client irc su live?\n<glpiana> sergios, c'è anche la chat da web\n<sergios> ???\n<glpiana> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-it\n<sergios> :O\n<sergios> a saperlo :)\n<sergioss> glpiana ecchime! :)\n<glpiana> sergioss, apri un terminale e scrivi: wget http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/RipristinoMbrWindows?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ms-sys_2.1.0-1_i386.deb\n<glpiana> no, non va così\n<glpiana> sergioss, pri l'indirizzo in firefox e scarica il pacchetto\n<glpiana> o lo salvi o lo installi direttamente, dobbiamo comuqnue installarlo\n<glpiana> sergioss, dimmi che hai scelto di fare così proseguiamo\n<sergioss> glpiana sto scaricando il pacchetto\n<sergioss> scaricato!\n<glpiana> sergioss, nel terminale: cd Scaricati se è in italiano, se no cd Downloads\n<sergioss> glpiana ci sono\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo dpkg -i ms-sys_2.1.0-1_i386.deb\n<sergioss> glpiana: ok, fatto\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo ms-sys -w /dev/sda\n<giordano_> favoloso sto gnome-shell\n<sergioss> glpiana: DOS/Windows NT master boot record successfully written to /dev/sda\n<glpiana> sergioss, riavvia, dovrebbe partire windows\n<sergioss> arrivo\n<sergios> glpiana: esatto, si sta avviando windows\n<glpiana> sergios, oki, riavvia poi da livecd e riafacciamo l'installazione di grub\n<glpiana> *rifacciamo\n<sergios> glpiana: ok\n<tommy1502> salve a tutti come faccio ad installare ubuntu dopo che ho creato una pennina\n<tommy1502> ???\n<glpiana> tommy1502, come hai creato la pennina?\n<glpiana> tommy1502, come hai creato la pennina?\n<tommy1502> ho preso tutti i file\n<tommy1502> e li ho messi dentro\n<glpiana> che file?\n<tommy1502> non si fà così???\n<tommy1502> quello rar\n<tommy1502> che scarichi\n<glpiana> che rar?\n<glpiana> tommy1502, si scarica una iso non un rar. magari windows ci mette l'icona di winrar\n<glpiana> tommy1502, da windows la devi creare?\n<tommy1502> si infatti è iso\n<tommy1502> io li ho messi nella pennina\n<glpiana> tommy1502, non si fa così, usa questo http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/\n<tommy1502> cos'è ??\n<glpiana> tommy1502, un programma per creare penne avviabili usando la iso che hai scaricato\n<aldo_> !image\n<ubot-it> Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<tommy1502> sicura che nn porta virus\n<tommy1502> ??\n<glpiana> sì, sicuro. comunque fallo controllare dal tuo antivirus per sicurezza\n<tommy1502> ok ora ci provo\n<tommy1502> .. .\n<tommy1502> ma se io metto gli iso senza quel programma\n<tommy1502> ?????\n<tommy1502> cosa succede\n<tommy1502> ??\n<glpiana> tommy1502, non funziona la chiavetta\n<FloodBotIt2> tommy1502: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<sergioss> glpiana eccomi da live!\n<glpiana> sergioss, oki, sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mnt\n<glpiana> sergioss, poi: sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev\n<glpiana> sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc\n<glpiana> sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo chroot /mnt\n<sergioss> glpiana: ok, sono in #\n<glpiana> sergioss, grub-install /dev/sda\n<sergioss> glpiana: installazione completata senza err\n<glpiana> sergioss, update-grub\n<Aizram> glpiana, ... è da questa mattina che sistemi i grub altrui :P\n<glpiana> lol\n<Aizram> è sempre lo stesso?\n<glpiana> !chat | Aizram\n<ubot-it> Aizram: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Aizram> :'(\n<Aizram> ho sbagliato stanza!\n<naxil> ciao\n<naxil> ho fatto casino\n<sergioss> glpiana: Cannot find list of partitions! http://pastebin.com/yhYgBLGn\n<naxil> ho installato ushare (e poi l'ho tolto) e ora la connessione sherata non va piu\n<naxil> bho\n<glpiana> sergioss, avevi montato tutto prima? dev proc e sys?\n<glpiana> sergioss, o hai saltato qualcosa?\n<naxil> come resetto iptables?\n<sergioss> glpiana non dovrebbe mancare nulla http://pastebin.com/2aGrnDm3\n<glpiana> sergioss, ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/sys <--- hai montato proc in sys\n<Aizram> glpiana, non è che ha grub 1\n<alexpixel22> ho un piccolo problema con blender quando cerco di farlo partire mi da questo errore\n<Aizram> ?\n<alexpixel22> Xlib: extension \"GLX\" missing on display \":0.0\".\n<alexpixel22> intern/ghost/intern/GHOST_WindowX11.cpp:193: X11 glXQueryVersion() failed, verify working openGL system!\n<naxil> ma scusate cosa ha fatto usharE?\n<glpiana> Aizram, no\n<alexpixel22> initial window could not find the GLX extension, exit!\n<Aizram> ops....\n<FloodBotIt2> alexpixel22: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<Aizram> sbagliato di nuvo\n<glpiana> sergioss, scrivi exit poi sudo umount /mnt/sys e sudo umount /mnt/proc\n<glpiana> alexpixel22, hai già riavviato?\n<alexpixel22> glpiana, si\n<sergioss> glpiana fatto.\n<glpiana> sergioss, ora sudo /proc /mnt/proc e poi sudo mount /sys /mnt/sys\n<glpiana> alexpixel22, nel terminale: glxinfo | grep render\n<sergioss> gl piana forse intendi sudo mount /proc /mnt/proc ?\n<glpiana> sergioss, sì 8sto andando insieme)\n<alexpixel22> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1004806/\n<glpiana> alexpixel22, lspci | grep -i vga\n<sergioss> glpiana puoi ridarmi il comando esatto?\n<alexpixel22> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1004811/\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo --bind /proc /mnt/proc\n<glpiana> sergioss, poi sudo --bind /sys /mnt/sys\n<glpiana> ossì -.-\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc\n<glpiana> sergioss, poi sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys\n<glpiana> ecco\n<sergioss> grazie :)\n<glpiana> alexpixel22, doppia scheda. quale è in uso ora? digita lsmod e metti su pastebin\n<sergioss> glpiana scusami ma mi sa che c'è qualcosa che non va http://pastebin.com/sX1KGq4m\n<glpiana> sergioss, sì erano sbagliato. sotto ho corretto. gli ultimi due comandi che ti ho dato\n<glpiana> <glpiana> sergioss, sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc\n<glpiana> <glpiana> sergioss, poi sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys\n<alexpixel22> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1004818/\n<glpiana> alexpixel22, stai usando la intel, magari è per quello che non va\n<sergioss> gliana, fatto\n<alexpixel22> glpiana, da dove l'hai capito?\n<glpiana> alexpixel22, dai moduli caricati\n<glpiana> sergioss, sudo chroot /mnt\n<sergioss> glpiana: sono in #\n<glpiana> sergioss, grub-install /dev/sda\n<sergioss> ok fatto\n<sergioss> gl piana fatto\n<glpiana> sergioss, update-grub\n<sergioss> glpiana: DONE!!!\n<sergioss> riavvio?\n<glpiana> sergioss, exit\n<glpiana> sergioss, poi tutti gli umount e poi riavvia\n<sergioss> ok\n<sergioss> ok\n<sergioss> gl piana prima di riavviare serve qualcosa?\n<sergioss> glpiana prima di riavviare serve qualcosa?\n<glpiana> sergioss, no, riavvia e vediamo\n<alexpixel22> glpiana, come faccio a farlo partire con l'altra scheda?\n<glpiana> alexpixel22, non ne ho idea e al momento sto per schiodare da qui\n<sergios> glpiana: ci stavo per credere ma niente, ancora quell'errore maledetto\n<alexpixel22> glpiana, grazie lo stesso\n<glpiana> sergios, mi spiace. a breve devo andare. e per il momento ho esaurito le idee\n<sergios> glpiana grazie mille per il tempo dedicatomi!\n<sergios> :)\n<dem> non mi si aggiornano i pacchetti\n<dem> li scarica ma non li installa\n<dem> non mi si aggiornano i pacchetti come posso fare?\n<OverMe> dem, sudo apt-get update\n<OverMe> metti nel paste\n<OverMe> !paste | dem\n<ubot-it> dem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<dem> già fatto anche upgrade\n<dem> ok ti do il paste dal terminale\n<OverMe> sì\n<dem> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1004856/\n<dem> errore alla fine del listato\n<OverMe> dem, un attimo\n<enzotib> posso?\n<enzotib> dem, sed -n '35741,35760p' /var/lib/dpkg/available\n<dem> nel software senter nei primi aggiornamenti mi dice sotto .....non ancora disponibili, c'entra qualcosa?\n<enzotib> dem, su pastebin\n<dem> devo dare questo.....sed -n '35741,35760p' /var/lib/dpkg/available ?\n<naxil> mi serve na mano davvero\n<naxil> allora ho fatto casino con iptables..\n<enzotib> dem, sì\n<naxil> ora do iptables -F\n<dem> ok provo\n<enzotib> dem, non è che serve a sistemare, serve solo a indagare\n<naxil> per le regole rimangono sempre uguali cioe' quando do iptables -t NAT -L rimane tutto anywhere... ma come mai?\n<naxil> iptables -F non dovrebbe resettare tutto il firewall?\n<enzotib> naxil, prova con sudo -t NAT -F\n<enzotib> naxil, manca il comando: sudo iptables -t NAT F\n<dem> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1004862/\n<dem> csa dite dell'outpout?\n<naxil> iptables v1.4.4: can't initialize iptables table `NAT': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)\n<naxil> Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.\n<OverMe> naxil, nat minuscolo\n<enzotib> dem, un attimo\n<naxil> fatto\n<naxil> secondo voi che mi ha fatto ushare?\n<dem> enzotib ok\n<naxil> dopo quello la connessione e' andata a galline\n<naxil> e poi perche il comando e' nat e nn eth2?\n<enzotib> dem, sudo dpkg --clear-avail\n<dem> provo\n<OverMe> naxil, ?\n<naxil> si?\n<dem> non fa niente il comando sudo dpkg --clear-avail\n<naxil> praticamente ora sotto prot ho scritto all... e non eht2\n<naxil> funzionaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa miticiiiiiiiiiiiiii\n<naxil> e' bastato resettare le regole iptables...\n<naxil> siete dei grandi\n<naxil> overme verresti nattimo in chat devo chiederti delle delucidazioni\n<naxil> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<enzotib> dem, ok, ora prova a dare update/dist-upgrade\n<dem> enzotib ma il comando che dici ....update/dist-upgrade non è per avanzare di versione? che dura ore\n<enzotib> dem, no, sudo apt-get update semplicemente aggiorna le informazioni dei pacchetti disponibili\n<dem> ok\n<enzotib> dem, e sudo apt-get dist-upgrade aggiorna quello che può, e non c'entra niente con l'avanzamento di versione\n<dem> ridammelo\n<enzotib> cosa?\n<dem> codice\n<enzotib> ? sta scritto qualche centimento più sopra\n<dem> ahh\n<enzotib> dem, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade\n<enzotib> dem, funziona?\n<dem> <enzotib grandeeeeeeee!!! funziona dopo aver processato per un po mi dice non ci sono pacchetti da installare\n<enzotib> dem, ok\n<dem> grazie\n<dem> mi salvo il comando\n<dem> esco ciao grazie\n<enzotib> ciao\n<sergios> da dove accedo alla storia della chat?\n<enzotib> sergios, xchat?\n<enzotib> !log | sergios\n<ubot-it> sergios: Log del canale: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/\n<enzotib> sergios, o intendi i log del tuo client?\n<sergios> esatto il log del canale! :) GRAZIE\n<tommy1502> salve a tutti ho scaricato ubuntu è lo ho messo in una pennina grazie a un programma che si chiama unebootin ma ora cosa faccio come faccio ad installarlo\n<tommy1502> c'è qualcuno che mi può aiutare\n<tommy1502> ????\n<sergios> enzotib intendevo il log del canale, quello del mio client sarebbe riferito al mio nick?\n<Guest72940> Salve a tutti, posseggo un acer aspire 4830tg e ho appena installato ubuntu 12.04 e non mi si sente l'audio. Cosa posso fare?\n<enzotib> sergios, no, quello sarebbe quello che il tuo client salva mentre sei collegato, se hai abilitato questa funzionalità \n<enzotib> !installazione | tommy1502\n<ubot-it> tommy1502: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<sergios> tommy1502 se ho capito bene devi assicurarti che dal bios del tuo computer sia selezionata la usb come prima periferica di boot\n<HoldenC> tommy1502, inserisci la pennina ed avvia il pc, di solito c'e' un tasto (tipo f12 o f8) che tira fuori un menu' da cui puoi scegliere di avviare il sistema dal pendrive\n<HoldenC> Guest72940, capire che scheda audio hai a bordo: da terminale lspci\n<Guest72940> HoldenC, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1004915/\n<sergios> enzotib no, non ho attivato questa funzione e non ne conoscevo l'esistenza... come l'attivo?\n<enzotib> sergios, dipende dal client\n<enzotib> sergios, cosa usi? xchat?\n<sergios> si, xchat\n<enzotib> sergios, Impostazioni -> Preferenze -> Logging e metti il check a Enable logging\n<HoldenC> Guest72940, cat /proc/asound/*\n<Guest72940> HoldenC, da terminale giusto?\n<HoldenC> Guest72940, si\n<sergios> enzotib, grazie! :) e il log da consultare è sempre quello su internet o da xchat?\n<enzotib> sergios, lo trovi in ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs\n<enzotib> li trovi, dato che sono uno per canale e per giorno, mi pare\n<sergios> enzotib, si, mentre scrivevo ho visto il tasto open data folder su xchat e ho immaginato. Grazie! :)\n<Guest72940> HoldenC, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1004921/\n<Guest72940> HoldenC, ho notato adesso che non mi si regola neanche la luminosità . Potresti aiutarmi anche per questo?\n<HoldenC> Guest72940, per la luminosita' non saprei, per la scheda audio sembra tutto ok, magari hai selezionato l'uscita digitale?\n<Guest72940> HoldenC, no ho su altoparlanti\n<HoldenC> Guest72940, hai provato a cercare su google?\n<Guest72940> HoldenC, forse ho risolto ci sentiamo dopo che adesso riavvio\n<HoldenC> ok\n<mat0006> OverMe, ho appena installato ubuntu 12.04 ma purtroppo non riesco a regolare la luminosita e non si sente l'audio, puoi aiutarmi?\n<mat0006> Salve a tutti ho appena installato ubuntu 12.04 ma purtroppo non riesco a regolare la luminosita e non si sente l'audio, qualcuno può aiutarmi?\n<naxil> ragazzi come setto la rete su xfce?\n<naxil> ho questa distro con xfce e ho gia gnome settato per condividere la connessione con 192.168.20.3\n<naxil> sono davanti ha lxterminale\n<enzotib> naxil, questa distro cosa sarebbe?\n<naxil> e' linux 10.10 ubuntu con xfce\n<naxil> ma non ha network manager..\n<naxil> come faccio?\n<naxil> riconosce il network adapter l'ho visto con lspci\n<enzotib> naxil, perché non ha network manager?\n<naxil> credo ch enon ci sia\n<naxil> mi dici per favore come lo lancio da terminalelx?\n<enzotib> naxil, se non sei chiaro, non posso capire che stai facendo. In ogni installazione comune di ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu/lubuntu c'è network manager, perché tu non ce l'hai?\n<naxil> perche e' una distro modificata per funzionare su xbox360\n<OverMe> \\o/\n<enzotib> naxil, quindi non è ubuntu\n<naxil> parte ho davanti xfce ma non ha network manager e poi e' la prima volta che vedo xfce forse non so dov ee'\n<naxil> certo che e' ubuntu\n<enzotib> !bubuntu | naxil\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'bubuntu'\n<enzotib> !buntu | naxil\n<ubot-it> naxil: Non tutto ciò che finisce per *buntu è ufficiale, non diamo supporto a derivate Ubuntu non ufficiali o non riconosciute. Supporto solo per http://www.ubuntu-it.org/progetti-derivati.shtml\n<naxil> vabbe' si hai ragione... cmq e' una distro 10.10 alleggerita e con kernel un po modificato per funzionare con hw xbox\n<enzotib> viva la sincerità \n<naxil> pero' a livello software e' in grado di avviare qualsiasi altra cosa\n<naxil> avvieresti con ubuntu xfce (xubuntu?)\n<enzotib> naxil, anche da windows sono in grado di avviare qualsiasi cosa\n<naxil> oddio senti mi dici come faccio a capire se c'e' network manager? dove e' lesegubile.. come si kiama se volessi lanciarlo da terminalx?\n<enzotib> naxil, cosa non è chiaro nella frase \"non c'è supporto\"?\n<enzotib> !chat | naxil\n<ubot-it> naxil: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<alessio> ciao a tutti, qualcuno mi da una mano a fare un'installazione pulita dei driver proprietari ati?? grazie :D\n<alessio> oi raga non in troppi ehhh...\n<alessio> rraga qualcuno può guardare sto log e dirmi perchè non riesco ad installare sti fottutissimi driver ati?? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1005101/\n<neramarea> 'sera. ho due pacchetti (repo non ufficiali) che non supportano il changelog. come si fa ad aggiornarli comunque?\n<glpiana> ola\n<neramarea> glpiana?\n<glpiana> neramarea?\n<neramarea> ho due pacchetti (repo non ufficiali) che non supportano il changelog. come si fa ad aggiornarli comunque?\n<glpiana> neramarea, passa in chat, qui non c'è supporto ai pacchetti non ufficiali\n<glpiana> !chat | neramarea\n<ubot-it> neramarea: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<aide> ragazzi ho aggiornato la nuova versione di ubuntu 12.04 ma non mi riconosce più la chiavetta internet quando la inserisco. La chiavetta non si accende più come se fosse rotta. Qualcuno ha una soluzione? GRazie\n<aide> nessuna mi aiuta?\n<Joshua^Dunamis> !aiuto | aide\n<ubot-it> aide: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<aide> ho aggiornato la nuova versione di ubuntu 12.04 ma non mi riconosce più la chiavetta internet quando la inserisco. La chiavetta non si accende più come se fosse rotta. Qualcuno ha una soluzione? GRazie\n<aide> ecco ho formulato la domanda\n<Joshua^Dunamis> aide: che chiavetta è? hai già controllato sul forum inserendo il nome dell tua chiavetta\n<Joshua^Dunamis> aide: non siamo indovini, abbiamo bisogno di informazioni per capire il problema\n<aide> la chiavetta non mi ha mai dato problemi con le precedenti versioni di ubuntu, cioè con la 11.04 e 11.10\n<Joshua^Dunamis> aide: nome e modello della chiavetta?\n<Joshua^Dunamis> aide: provider internet?\n<aide> la chiavetta è NOKIA DATA CARD modello CS-10\n<aide> IL PROVIDER à winD\n<Joshua^Dunamis> aide: hai solo Ubuntu come SO?\n<Joshua^Dunamis> aide: hai modo di provare se altro pc si accende?\n<Joshua^Dunamis> non conosco quella chiavetta, per cui io non so come aiutarti, magari si fa avanti qualcuno\n<aide> ho anche Windows 7, con il quale la chiavetta va perfettamente. Per windows c'è il file eseguibile della chiavetta che installo. INvece ubuntu la riconosceva direttamente. Ora non la riconosce più :-(\n<Joshua^Dunamis> aide: okkk con win va, qundi la chiavetta funziona.. è usb?\n<aide> sì è usb\n<Joshua^Dunamis> aide: okkk fai una cosa scollegala digita dmesg su un terminale\n<Joshua^Dunamis> poi la riconnetti e ridigiti dmesg sul terminale\n<Joshua^Dunamis> aide: è apparsa una riga in più che si riferisce all'usb?\n<aide> ok lo sto facendo\n<aide> sono comparse parecchie scritte\n<aide> anzi un'infinità di scritte di cui non capisco nulla! :-(\n<Joshua^Dunamis> aide: si è normale ora dimmi se la ricolleghi e ridai il comando se compaiono altre righe anvcora\n<Joshua^Dunamis> *ancora\n<Joshua^Dunamis> aide: tieni traccia della attuale ultima riga\n<Joshua^Dunamis> aide: e dimmi se cambia quando colleghi la chiavetta\n<aide> ok\n<aide> scusami sono caduto\n<aide> ho un problem: ho aggioranto ubuntu con la versione 12.04 e non mi riconosce più la chiavetta\n<aide> chi mi sa aiutare?\n<aide> nessuno mi dà una mano?\n<aide> possibile che non c'è nessuno che possa aiutarmi\n<DD3my> che pc hai aide?\n<robytrevi> ciao a tutti\n<sbubba> sera\n<tre5> buona sera\n<robytrevi> Ho notato che quando oggi ho aperto deluge nel kern.log sono pieno di righe tipo Possible SYN flooding on port xxx. Sending cookies. sto cercando informazioni ma non capisco cosa significa. Suggerimenti? Al riavvio (del sistema e di deluge) i messaggi smettono\n<verdazzurra> non so come si usa ubuntu\n<verdazzurra> mi piacerebbe ho comprato un giornale con ubuntu 11.10\n<verdazzurra> mio figlio lo ha installato ma non conosco le istruzioni\n<robytrevi> verdazzurra: non ci sono istruzioni... in cosa non ti trovi? cosa vorresti fare e non riesci a fare?\n<verdazzurra> grazieeeeeeeeeee\n<verdazzurra> ho montato la web cam ma non funziona non so se ci vogliono i driver\n<verdazzurra> ho messo una chiavetta USB ma non ho saputo aprirla\n<verdazzurra> ho scaricato un downloder ma non so dove si è salvato\n<robytrevi> verdazzurra: per vedere se la webcam viene correttamente riconosciuta apri ubuntu-software-center (è il software per l'installazione automatica dei programmi di ubuntu) ha l'icona di una specie di borsa arancione, e installa il programma cheese\n<verdazzurra> lo scrivo\n<robytrevi> verdazzurra: le chivette usb in generale si aprono automaticamente, se così non fosse, apri una cartella qualsiasi e nella colonna di sinistra della finestra che ti si apre dovresti avere tutti i dispositivi collegati\n<verdazzurra> roby ti ringrazio sei stato molto gentile\n<robytrevi> verdazzurra: cosa singifica che hai scaricato un downloader??? Da dove? con cosa? cos'è? Comunque in generale le cose che scarichi stanno nella cartella Scaricati, o nella home del tuo utente, o sulla Scrivania (Desktop))\n<verdazzurra> volevo scaricare skype\n<sbubba> ragazzi, è successa una cosa strana. dopo aver dato questi comandi http://pastebin.com/fqp65Vqa per pulire un po' di roba, al successivo riavvio mi dava errore, praticamente fstab non riconosceva più due partizioni di swap. ora ho risolto, ma vorrei capire cosa gli è andato di traverso\n<Holden> verdazzurra, per scaricare skype credo basti andare sul sito ufficiale, dove trovi il pacchetto .deb, a quel punto per installarlo basta un doppio click\n<verdazzurra> sono riuscita ad aprire facebook -gmail vedere i giochi\n<Rebecca92> !info skype 10.10\n<ubot-it> 10.10 is not a valid distribution ['lucid', 'maverick', 'natty', 'oneiric', 'precise']\n<Rebecca92> !info skype | oneric\n<ubot-it> skype (source: skype): VOIP and instant messaging client. In component main, is extra. Version 2.2.0.35-0precise3 (precise), package size 2 kB, installed size 26 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)\n<verdazzurra> grazie a tuttiiii\n<verdazzurra> vado subito a provare\n<Rebecca92> verdazzurra, se\n<Rebecca92> verdazzurra, sudo apt-get install skype\n<Rebecca92> non serve scaricare alcunchè\n<enzotib> sbubba: la /tmp non va cancellata a runtime, viene cancellata automaticamente ad ogni avvio\n<verdazzurra> rebecca non capisco tutte le sigle che hai messo\n<Rebecca92> verdazzurra, copia questo in un terminale\n<sbubba> enzotib, uh leggevo lo script per la pulizia ed ho preso spunto da quello. la prossima volta evito la temp allora, grazie\n<verdazzurra> sto su un'altro computer\n<robytrevi> Rebecca92: è appena arrivato in ubuntu, cerca di essere più elementare nelle spiegazioni. E poi skype dovrebbe essere nei repository partner, quindi dovrebbe prima aggiungere i repo, poi aggiornare e poi installare skype come dici\n<Rebecca92> robytrevi,\n<Rebecca92> !info skype oneric\n<ubot-it> oneric is not a valid distribution ['lucid', 'maverick', 'natty', 'oneiric', 'precise']\n<Rebecca92> !info skype oneiric\n<ubot-it> skype (source: skype): VOIP and instant messaging client. In component main, is extra. Version 2.2.0.35-0oneiric2 (oneiric), package size 23029 kB, installed size 29200 kB (Only available for i386)\n<Rebecca92> robytrevi, è in main . come puoi vedere\n<verdazzurra> grazie a tutti a presto\n<robytrevi> Rebecca92: allora lo dovrebbe trovare in Ubuntu software center, fagli le cose facili (per lui, non per te). Comunque non c'è in quel repo: http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/ o almeno io non lo vedo\n<Rebecca92> robytrevi, il bot dice di s'\n<robytrevi> Rebecca92: anche la tv dice tante cose, ma non per questo sono vere\n<robytrevi> ;-)\n<Rebecca92> non ho la tv. non saprei\n<robytrevi> Rebecca92: infatti sta nei parter: http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/s/skype\n<marcuy> Non riesco a fare `traceroute' al tuo cervello... Di', sei collegato??\n<enzotib> marcuy: ?\n<robytrevi> sembra una chiara richiesta di supporto...\n<marcuy> LOL\n<enzotib> marcuy: va a scherzare da un'altra parte\n<marcuy> traceroute non è un comando da linux?\n<jester-> sera\n<tre5> salve, oggi ho chiesto un parere riguardo due valori piuttosto dubbi di un rapporto lm-sensors. ora indico l' indirizzo in imagebin.org della finestra di terminale. http://imagebin.org/213688 i valori dubbi sono il terzultimo ed il quintultimo. glpiana ha risposto che secondo lui erano inattendibili, ma poi era impegnatissimo a risolvere altri problemi ed allora ho lasciato perdere. volevo chiedere se c' è qualche co\n<tre5> sa da provare o se stirata di un mal funzionamento dei sensori. grazie\n<robytrevi> tre5: beh, sembrano temperature assurde in effetti... Si starebbe squagliando il pc...\n<jester-> tre5: confrontali con i valori del bios\n<jester-> se non quagliano usa una gui o applett e tarala\n<tre5> tester , ubuntu è installato in una partizione di un macintosh\n<tre5> *jester\n<jester-> tre5: il che linux su un mac fa piuttosto strano, se mac recente\n<fourlastor> tre5, tocca il computer, scotta?\n<tre5> si\n<jester-> tre5: che mac è? hai seguito la guida install per il tipo di mac?\n<tre5> jester-, il mac ha un anno.\n<jester-> tre5: e ci metti linux avendo osx?\n<jester-> ti piace essere triste?\n<fourlastor> jester-, che male c'è scusa?\n<fourlastor> tre5, prova a vedere se con powertop capisci cosa è\n<tre5> jester- , hai ragione, ma sono un po' curioso ed allora mi avventuro in cose bizzarre.\n<tre5> in effetti ne ho quattro sistemi operativi.\n<tre5> installati.\n<jester-> tre5: installati virtual box e virtualizzalo, è ottimo\n<fourlastor> tre5, comunque la th0o sembra essere la ventola dell'hard disk\n<tre5> no niente virtualbox, multi boot\n<tre5> M\n<tre5> ma 250 gradi sembrano tantini.\n<fourlastor> tre5, se riavvii su mac c'è un sensore per controllare?\n<tre5> dovrei installare un piccolo programma. che non ho ancora voluto installare perché quando va da osx, è tutto freddo.\n<fourlastor> beh ci vorrà qualche minuto prima che si freddi..\n<tre5> può essere significativo che il venditore mi ha detto che il processore montato non socome ne perché, non sembra digerire molto l' installazione di altri sistemi operativi.\n<tre5> comunque grazie per i suggerimenti.\n<fourlastor> non saprei..\n<luke_66> ciao a tutti\n<naxil> ragazzi\n<naxil> praitcamente sudo su non mi chiede piu la password\n<naxil> va subito in #\n<naxil> non l'ho mai inserito prima\n<naxil> la pass l'ho messa solo durante il login\n<luke_66> ho un problema dopo un upgrade su kubuntu 12.04. kdm si avvia ma non c'è nessul login prompt. ho gurdato qualche log (rsyslog, syslog), ho controllato dmesg. l'unico problema riscontrato è in dbus.log -> 'FATAL: Modulertc not found.' che posso fare?\n<luke_66> ho provato a stoppare kdm con sudo service kdm stop e a riavviarlo ma niente...\n<luke_66> il problema sembra essere legato a upstart ma + di quello non riesco a capire...\n<naxil> ho capito praticamente ho dato una regola in rc.local con sudo\n<naxil> a questo punto praticamente ho sempre sudo?\n<naxil> ! chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<joker_> buonasera\n<naxil> ciao\n<joker_> ciao roxdragon\n<roxdragon> ciao joker_\n<joker_> ciao roxdragon tutto bene??\n<roxdragon> sisi tutto bene! non ricordo chi sei\n<joker_> sono stejazz\n<joker_> ti ricordi?? xD\n<roxdragon> yes\n#ubuntu-it 2012-05-25\n<glpiana> ola\n<Steeler> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<AlfonsoCeleo> Buon Giorno a tutti\n<knam> buongiorno\n<knam> sto facendo un aggiornamento e ubuntu mi chiede dove installare il grub\n<glpiana> knam, non capisco perchè debba chiedertelo. comuqnue, quanti dischi hai nel pc?\n<AlfonsoCeleo> infatti.. mi sembra strano... quante partizioni disponi?\n<glpiana> AlfonsoCeleo, le partizioni no c'entrano\n<glpiana> *non\n<knam> glpiana: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1006044/\n<glpiana> knam, grub va messo in /dev/sda\n<AlfonsoCeleo> scusami... intendevo dischi... è ovvio\n<AlfonsoCeleo> mi sono espresso male\n<glpiana> AlfonsoCeleo, sarà anche ovvio per te, ma può creare confusione\n<AlfonsoCeleo> scusami starò maggiormente attento :)\n<glpiana> ok :)\n<knam> glpiana: l'opzione è sda o sda5. Ho provato ha cliccare solo sda e mi dice \"sei sicuro che non vuoi installare il grub?\"\n<glpiana> knam, allora, riavvolgi il nastro e parti dal principio: cosa stai facendo?\n<knam> cliccato tutti gli aggiornamento e schiacciato ok\n<knam> glpiana: cliccato tutti gli aggiornamento e schiacciato ok\n<glpiana> knam, dall'inizio ho detto, non da un certo punto.\n<glpiana> !dettagli | knam\n<ubot-it> knam: Per favore dacci dettagli completi. Per esempio \"Ho un problema con..., sto usando Ubuntu versione... con interfaccia.... Quando provo a fare..., ottengo questo output: ..., ma mi sarei aspettato che facesse...\"\n<k0ral_> glpiana: ti ricordi del mio problema con dropbox?\n<glpiana> k0ral_, sì, dovevi riavviare e non sei più tornato. parla\n<AlfonsoCeleo> ...si perchè non è semplice comprendere il problema andando già nella fase secondaria... è meglio scrivere dettagliatamente il problema in quanto è più facile che gli utenti possano prestare supporto..\n<k0ral_> glpiana: scusami ma è il pc del laboratorio e ogni tanto devo lavorare ;)\n<glpiana> k0ral_, succede\n<k0ral_> glpiana: cmq...il problema è sempre questo http://imagebin.org/213798\n<glpiana> k0ral_, vabbè, inserisci la password\n<k0ral_> glpiana: non fa niente. non avvia dropbox\n<glpiana> k0ral_, nel temrinale: ps aux | grep dropbox\n<k0ral_> glpiana: carlo 3354 0.0 0.0 13576 924 pts/0 S+ 09:39 0:00 grep --color=auto dropbox\n<glpiana> k0ral_, ls -la /var/lib/dropbox/.dropbox-dist/dropbox\n<knam> glpiana: ubuntu 12. Gestore aggiornamenti mi ha proposto 85 aggiornamenti e ho cliccato ok. A un certo punto, a metà installazione, è uscita una schermata di Debconf chiede dove installare il grub. Cliccando su aiuto si dice: \"in precendenza il boot loader era installato su un disco che per qualche motivo ja cambiato identificatore. E' importante che l'immagine del grub rimanga in sinstonia con i moduli di grub e con grub.cfg. ecce\n<k0ral_> glpiana: ls: cannot access /var/lib/dropbox/.dropbox-dist/dropbox: No such file or directory\n<knam> scusate ma non posso copiarlo su pastebin\n<glpiana> knam, continua a spiegare\n<knam> glpiana: se mi dite come funzione image bin te lo copio li\n<glpiana> k0ral_, sudo apt-get install --reinstall nautilus-dropbox e metti su pastebin\n<glpiana> !image | knam\n<ubot-it> knam: Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<glpiana> knam, non c'è molto da spiegare sul funzionamento. carichi l'immagine e metti la spunta ai termini del servizio\n<knam> glpiana: ora lo faccio\n<glpiana> knam, metti anche il tuo nick nel rpimo campo\n<glpiana> *primo\n<k0ral_> glpiana: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1006052/\n<k0ral_> glpiana: in + si è aperta una finestra che mi chiede \"restart nautilus\" , devo metterla su imagebin?\n<knam> glpiana: http://imagebin.org/213799\n<glpiana> k0ral_, no, ma fallo comunque ripartire (anche s enon servirà , non avendo scaricato il necessario)\n<k0ral_> glpiana: clicco su restart ma non fa niente e la finestra rimane aperta..:(\n<Best`> Buongiorno!\n<glpiana> k0ral_, vabbè per ora chiudila che cerchiamo di capire il problema\n<k0ral_> glpiana: fatto\n<glpiana> k0ral_, ora aspetta un attimo\n<glpiana> knam, clicca su avanti\n<AlfonsoCeleo> penso che vada selezionata la prima casella, ovvero quella già spuntata\n<glpiana> k0ral_, scrivi: ls -ls /var/lib/dropbox/.dropbox-dist\n<k0ral_> glpiana: ls: cannot access /var/lib/dropbox/.dropbox-dist: No such file or directory\n<knam> glpiana: cliccando solo sda? si possono cliccare l'uno, l'altro o tutti e due\n<glpiana> k0ral_, oki, ora ls -l /var/lib/dropbox\n<glpiana> knam, SOLO sda\n<k0ral_> glpiana: total 0\n<glpiana> knam, che poi l'altro neanche lo vedo, è coperto. ma se mi dici che è /dev/sda5 assolutamente NON va selezionato\n<glpiana> k0ral_, ora ls -la /.dropbox-dist\n<glpiana> k0ral_, scusa\n<glpiana> k0ral_, ora ls -la ~/.dropbox-dist\n<k0ral_> glpiana: ls: cannot access /.dropbox-dist: No such file or directory\n<knam> glpiana: si, scusa: dai sono stato bravo,si leggeva praticamente tutto. Cmq: http://imagebin.org/213800\n<glpiana> k0ral_, si ho ciccato la tilde :D\n<knam> glpiana: è come ti avevo detto prima\n<glpiana> knam, clicca su avanti senza selezionare e dimmi che fa\n<AlfonsoCeleo> knam, come da informazione fornitati si è creata una sorta di \"confusione\" comunque va impostata la prima soluzione e andare avanti e vderai che andrà tutto bene\n<knam> volete che vi leggo l'help di ubuntu?\n<k0ral_> glpiana: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1006061/\n<glpiana> knam, no, dimmi cosa fa se clicchi su avanti\n<knam> glpiana: torna alla schermata dove mi chiede dove installarlo che palle!\n<glpiana> k0ral_, oki, proviamo a fare una cosa: sudo cp -r ~/.dropbox-dist /var/lib/dropbox/\n<glpiana> knam, allora seleziona sda poi quando passi alla schermata successiva metti la spunta alla voce che appare e procedi. lo installiamo dopo\n<knam> glpiana: fatto\n<glpiana> knam, oki, lasciagli finire tutti gli aggiornamenti e dimmi poi quando ha terminato\n<k0ral_> glpiana: fatto, non ha protestato :)\n<knam> glpiana: allora ci sentiamo dopo che ha finito tutto.\n<glpiana> k0ral_, meno male :D\n<AlfonsoCeleo> bene..\n<k0ral_> glpiana: con sudo...protesta?:)\n<glpiana> k0ral_, ora: /var/lib/dropbox/.dropbox-dist/dropbox\n<k0ral_> glpiana: cd ?\n<glpiana> k0ral_, no, così come ho scritto\n<k0ral_> glpiana: ok, si è avviato dropbox ma resta in \"sospeso\" il terminale\n<k0ral_> glpiana: ti ricordo che sono dietro ad un proxy\n<glpiana> k0ral_, lascia perdere un secono il temrinale. controlla che dropbox lavori\n<k0ral_> glpiana: si, lavora come previsto\n<glpiana> k0ral_, se non lavora, clicca sull'icona e vai nelle preferenze e imposta il proxy\n<k0ral_> solo che lo vorrei attivo al login in automatico\n<knam> glpiana: ha già finito. come facciamo a vedere se il grub è a posto senza riavviare?\n<glpiana> k0ral_, oki, allora riavvia il pc e torna che vediamo se parte da sè\n<glpiana> knam, apri un terminale\n<glpiana> knam, scrivi: sudo grub-install /dev/sda\n<k0ral_> glpiana: nelle preferenze di dropbox, il proxy è settato ad auto\n<k0ral_> glpiana: devo metterlo manuale e scrivo il proxy?\n<glpiana> k0ral_, se sta funzionando io lo lascerei così. non ha senso modificare una cosa che già funziona\n<k0ral_> glpiana: ok allora riavvio e basta?\n<glpiana> k0ral_, yes\n<knam> glpiana: installation is finished\n<knam> glpiana: sono a posto?\n<glpiana> knam, no. scrivi: sudo update-grub\n<knam> glpiana: ma quindi noi stiamo facendo le cose un'altra volta per essere sicuri?\n<glpiana> knam, se prima hai messo la spunta sulla voce che non faceva installare grub, abbiamo saltato l'installazione. quindi ora la stiamo facendo\n<k0ral_> glpiana: scusa, ma per riavviare, ho chiuso la finestra del terminale e dropbox si è chiuso...è normale?\n<k0ral_> glpiana: io lo vorrei sempre attivo\n<glpiana> k0ral_, lo hai riavvaito sto pc o no?\n<knam> glpiana: hai ragione, ma è possibile che ci fosse già , perchè nessuno l'ha tolto, no?\n<k0ral_> glpiana: e senza dover tenere una finestra di un terminale aperta in \"sospeso\"\n<k0ral_> glpiana: no, ancora no :) a dopo :P\n<glpiana> -.-\n<k0ral_> glpiana: riavvio o solo logout?\n<glpiana> knam, hai dato il comando?\n<knam> si\n<glpiana> k0ral_, RIAVVIA STO PIFFERO DI PC!\n<k0ral_> glpiana: :)\n<enzotib> lol\n<glpiana> knam, che ti ha scritto?\n<glpiana> knam, ha elencato i kernel?\n<knam> glpiana: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1006077/\n<glpiana> knam, oki, riavvia\n<knam> glpiana: lo faccio dopo, tanto non dovrebbero ess probl , oki?\n<glpiana> knam, sarebbe meglio controllare subito se il sistema si avvia, non trovi?\n<knam> glpiana: ok\n<glpiana> k0ral_, si avvia da solo?\n<k0ral_> glpiana: GRANDE :) funziona al login in auto :)\n<glpiana> k0ral_, bene\n<k0ral_> glpiana: posso capire cosa è successo? cosa hai fatto?:) almeno imparo :)\n<glpiana> k0ral_, ti ho fatto copiare in /var/lib/dropbox quello che non riusciva a scaricare durante l'installazione e che tu già avevi nella home\n<k0ral_> ok e l'avevo nella home perchè l'avevo installato dall'ubuntu software center, giusto?\n<k0ral_> glpiana: era qcosa che doveva stare sia nella home che in /var/lib/dropbox?\n<glpiana> k0ral_, o perchè lo avevi scaricato manualmente (almeno così hai detto ieri)\n<glpiana> k0ral_, più che altro viene avviato da /var/lib/dropbox/.dropbox-dist\n<k0ral_> glpiana: ok, viene avviato da lì e lì non avevo niente?\n<knam> glpiana: tutto ok!!!\n<glpiana> k0ral_, esatto\n<glpiana> knam, bene\n<glpiana> caffè, sì sì, arrivo, hai ragione\n<k0ral_> glpiana: perfetto, grazie :)\n<k0ral_> glpiana: vedo che hai ottenuto il mio \"successo\" e anche un altro :) bravo!:)\n<knam> ora qualcuno mi dovrebbe dire se è possibile mettere in rete due ubuntu attaccati allo stesso router, se non è una cosa complicata. C'è un software?\n<k0ral_> glpiana: ora vado, alla prossima :)\n<knam> ora qualcuno mi dovrebbe dire se è possibile mettere in rete due ubuntu attaccati allo stesso router, se non è una cosa complicata. C'è un software?\n<vit_o> salve a tutti\n<vit_o> come faccio non far partire all'avvio xscreensaver ? qualcuno può darmi una mano?\n<enzotib> vit_o, che versione di ubuntu usi?\n<vit_o> enzotib, 12.04 e uso unity\n<enzotib> vit_o, e allora dovrebbe partire gnome-screensaver, non xscreensaver, per quanto ne so\n<vit_o> enzotib, avevo un problema di 'risorse' con gnome-screensever, allora ho installato xscreensaver, ma poi qui mi hanno aiutato a sistemarlo. Ma adesso ho entrambi in esecuzione all'avvio ma come screensaver parte gnome (una schermata nera). Quindi basterebbe non farlo partire all'avvio xscreensaver? giusto?\n<enzotib> non ho capito un'acca\n<enzotib> vit_o, probabilmente se non ti serve più, ti basta disinstallare xscreensaver\n<vit_o> enzotib, si ma volevo semplicemente non farlo partire all'avvio. Ma mi sa che faccio come dici tu e butto tutto via.\n<vit_o> un altra cosa, quando parte il pc. la schermata del grub non dovrebbe essere viola?\n<glpiana> vit_o, ma non lo avevamo già fatto?\n<glpiana> ah adesso vuoi che non parta\n<glpiana> -.-\n<vit_o> glpiana, uh sei qua! che bello! :) ... Il problema è che adesso ce li ho entrambi!\n<glpiana> vit_o, basta cancellare il file che avevamo messo in /etc/xdg/autostart\n<glpiana> vit_o, quale vuoi tenere?\n<vit_o> glpiana, penso sia meglio tenere gnome adesso non mi da problemi e dovrebbe essere più leggero, tu che dici?\n<glpiana> vit_o, oki, disinstalla xscreensaver come ti consigliava enzotib\n<glpiana> vit_o, e rimuovi anche il file di cui sopra\n<vit_o> glpiana, grazie! volevo proprio sapere cosa dovevo rimuovere! perfetto.\n<enzotib> ue, non tutto autostart, eh!\n<vit_o> stavo dicendo di un altro piccolo problema, da un po' di tempo la schermata del grub non è viola e quando spengo il pc mi appare una schermata gialla per qualche secondo. non credo sia normale giusto?\n<vit_o> enzotib, ahaha no no sto attento. grazie dell'aviso cmq!\n<ettoku> salve dovrei immagazinare dei dati in un hard disk vecchiotto...vorrei sapere come è messo : http://imagebin.org/213813\n<ettoku> sono un attimo su windows\n<glpiana> !chat | ettoku\n<ubot-it> ettoku: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<vit_o> sale a tutti!\n<glpiana> e un po' di olio se si può\n<vit_o> si è vero, anche quello fa sempre piacere\n<vit_o> guardavo le applicazioni di avvio e per sbaglio ne ho cancellate alcune, ma non so quali! c'è un modo per 'tornare indietro' ?\n<glpiana> vit_o, basta resettare l'interfaccia grafica e tutto torna come prima\n<glpiana> !gnomereset | vit_o\n<ubot-it> vit_o: Per resettare gnome alle sue impostazioni di default rinominare le cartelle nascoste nella propria home .gnome2 .config .gconf .gconfd .gnome2_private con un nome a piacere, ad esempio .gnome2.bk e riavviare la sessione\n<glpiana> o meglio tutto torna a default\n<vit_o> ho brutte esperienze con qll comando. se lascio tutto com'è cosa potrebbe succedere?\n<vit_o> cioè, magai ho rimosso applicazioni stupide e quindi non avrannp un grande effetto sul sistema\n<glpiana> vit_o, che brutte esperienze potrai mai avere con quel comando? (quale poi?)\n<vit_o> glpiana, qlc tempo fa ho dovuto resettare unity ed è successo un casino! ho cancellato e rimesso quelle cartelle una decina di volte, magari anche quella volta poi mi hai aiutato tu\n<glpiana> vit_o, comunque rinominando quelle directory non resetti unity\n<glpiana> vit_o, in ogni caso se non vuoi farlo non sei certo obbligato\n<glpiana> vit_o, le applicazioni di avvio che hai rimosso, le hai mica tolte da /etc/xdg/autostart ?\n<vit_o> glpiana, si certo, infatti sto chiedendo aiuto a voi perchè magari potete farmi capire meglio. E quindi cosa succede rinominando qll cose? perdo anche le varie applicazioni che ho aggiunto col tempo?\n<glpiana> vit_o, le applicazioni di avvio che hai rimosso, le hai mica tolte da /etc/xdg/autostart ?\n<vit_o> glpiana, no. le ho tolte con l'interfaccia grafica, dovevo cliccare aggiungi e per sbaglio ho clikkato rimuovi\n<glpiana> vit_o, oki, allora ti dico cosa ho io lì: blueman applet e dropbox\n<glpiana> fine delle mie applicazioni di avivo\n<glpiana> se non hai bluetooth blueman no serve\n<glpiana> se non hai dropbox non serve neanche dropbox\n<glpiana> il resto si avvia da sè\n<vit_o> glpiana, vedi queste tue parole sono di conforto. Non capisco perchè io ne ho un casino, ma adesso so che le cose importanti partiranno cmq da se.\n<vit_o> grazie\n<glpiana> vit_o, poi dipende da cosa hai installato, che sicuro è diverso da ciò che ho installato io\n<vit_o> glpiana, si infatti, sicuramente.\n<vit_o> glpiana, scusami ancora, potresti aiutarmi a mettere di nuovo xscreensaver su autostart ? Il problema era gnome-screensaver e l'ho eliminato.\n<glpiana> vit_o, lol\n<glpiana> vit_o, solo perchè oggi mi sento buono ;)\n<vit_o> glpiana, :D grazieee!!!! [Il problema fu che li avevo entrambi e quindi ne ho eliminato uno all'avvio, QUELLO SBAGLIATO! -.-']\n<glpiana> vit_o, sudo cp /usr/share/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-daemon.desktop /etc/xdg/autostart\n<vit_o> glpiana, diciamo per farmi capire *.desktop è la cosa più simile ad un esequibile giusto? cioè lancia l'applicazione, no?\n<vit_o> *eseguibile\n<glpiana> vit_o, no, .desktop contiene delle informazioni su un programma. aprine uno per esempio: nel terminale: cat /usr/share/applications/gedit.desktop\n<glpiana> vit_o, vedrai che quel file riporta il nome l'eseguibile l'icona la descrizione in varie lingue e altro\n<glpiana> vit_o, e poi sti .desktop li sfrutti per far riferimento al programma che ti interessa\n<glpiana> nel nostro caso abbiamo preso quello del demone di xscreensaver e lo abbiamo messo in una directory particolare che viene letta per avviare programmi all'avvio dell'interfaccia grafica\n<vit_o> glpiana, capito, adesso è un po' tuttto più chiaro. grazie tante\n<glpiana> :)\n<vit_o> glpiana, posso rubarti altri 5 minuti per parlare dell'avvio e di questa schermata gialla che mi appare allo shutdown?\n<vit_o> glpiana, secondo te è un 'problema' di kernel o di plymouth?\n<glpiana> vit_o, avevo già letto prima, ma non so a cosa possa essere dovuta. appare e scompare o rimane lì pe rtutta la procedura di spegnimento?\n<vit_o> glpiana, per tutta la procedura praticamente\n<glpiana> vit_o, se è plymouth lo scopriamo in fretta. al boot visualizzi il menu di grub?\n<vit_o> glpiana, si, ma non è viola come lo è sempre stato\n<vit_o> glpiana, (per quel conta, secondo me è il plymouth che non và )\n<glpiana> vit_o, a parte il colore che nel caso ci pensiamo dopo, quando visualizzi il menu premi il tasto \"e\", piazzati in fondo alla riga che temrina con quiet splash (e altre opzioni se ne hai agigunte) e cancellale. poi premi ctrl+x per avviare (senza plymouth\n<glpiana> vit_o, vedrai le righe a schemro durante il boot, è quello che deve fare. poi una volta che hai caricato il sistema, spegnilo e vedi se appare o meno la schermata gialla\n<vit_o> glpiana, intanto c'è da dire che al momento parte senza plymouth, praticamente c'è una schermata nera fino alla comparsa del mouse.\n<glpiana> vit_o, fa nulla. fai comuqnue la rpova come te la ho illustrata\n<vit_o> glpiana, ok. quindi devo cancellare la riga che finisce con quiet splash ?\n<glpiana> no\n<glpiana> vit_o, leggi bene\n<glpiana> sì non sono stato chiaro -.-\n<glpiana> cancella quiet splash\n<glpiana> lol\n<vit_o> ok allora vado e torno.\n<bobi_> per favore datemi un aiuto, ho installato la versione 12.04 di ubuntu ma non mi riconosce più la chiavetta\n<bobi_> per favore datemi un aiuto, ho installato la versione 12.04 di ubuntu ma non mi riconosce più la chiavetta\n<lelamal> !repeat | bobi_\n<ubot-it> bobi_: non ripetere la tua domanda spesso, ogni N minuti. Non aumenterà le probabilità di ottenere una risposta ma provocherà solamente una reazione stizzita da parte degli altri utenti del canale. Se nessuno ti risponde riprova più tardi o utilizza le altre forme di supporto messe a dispozione dalla comunità .\n<bobi_> scusami\n<bobi_> non ho capito cosa ha scritto lelamal\n<lelamal> bobi_: di avere pazienza\n<bobi_> tu puoi aiutarmi per favore?\n<vit_o> glpiana, ho cancellato 'quiet splash i804.nomux $vt_handoff'; quando ho spento è apparsa la schermata gialla\n<lelamal> bobi_: no, mi spiace\n<glpiana> vit_o, oki, allora non è plymouth la causa\n<glpiana> vit_o, hai modo di fare una foto allo schermo? giusto perchè son curioso idi vederlo.\n<glpiana> bobi_, che chiavetta? dati, internet, wifi?\n<vit_o> glpiana, penso che con la foto camera ce la posso fare\n<bobi_> dati\n<glpiana> !image | vit_o\n<ubot-it> vit_o: Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<vit_o> glpiana, ok. vado e torno\n<bobi_> è una chiavetta nokia data card modello cs-10\n<bobi_> prima dell'aggiornamento di ubuntu andava perfettamente, ma da quando ho aggiornato ubuntu passando alla veresione 12.04 quando inserisco la chiavetta non si accende più nemmeno la spia. è come se non avessi inserito nulla\n<vit_o> glpiana, eccola la schermata http://imagebin.org/213815\n<glpiana> bobi_, chiavetta data card però che vuol dire? non conosco i modelli. è dati, una classica chiavetta usb da tot giga?\n<glpiana> azz che giallo vit_o !!!\n<bobi_> si è una normale chiavetta usb per connettersi ad internet\n<glpiana> vit_o, non è che hai impostato in precedenza unq ualche sfondo colorato di quel colore e quindi alla chiusura di ubuntu balza in primo piano?\n<vit_o> glpiana, a me piace il giallo, ma qst è proprio brutto! prr\n<glpiana> bobi_, ossignur che roba difficile che sei. quindi non una chiavetta dati, ma una connessione tramite sim? o wifi?\n<glpiana> vit_o, lol\n<bobi_> una connessione tramite sim, nella chiavetta usb c'è una sim della wind con la quale mi connetto ad internet\n<vit_o> glpiana, no, mai usato sfondo del genere. cmq prima, ho spento ed è riapparso. poi qnd l'ho fatto ripartire per venire qui il plymouth è partito e provando a riavviare la schermata gialla non c'era più!\n<glpiana> bobi_, oki, ora è chiaro. quando la inserisci appare l'icona sul desktop?\n<glpiana> vit_o, bene. riprova ancora magari a riaviare e vedi se è sparita epr sempre\n<glpiana> *riavviare\n<bobi_> no, non appare più nulla da quando ho aggiornato ubuntu con la versione 12.04\n<glpiana> bobi_, oki, ora la penna è inserita?\n<vit_o> glpiana, ho riavviato adesso per fare la foto e c'era. Adesso non ho toccato niente, provo ugualmente?\n<bobi_> sì è inserita , ma è come se non lo fosse perchè non la vede\n<glpiana> vit_o, sì prova\n<glpiana> bobi_, levala, poi reinseriscila e nel terminale scrivi: dmesg | tail\n<glpiana> !paste | bobi_\n<ubot-it> bobi_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<vit_o> glpiana, yes sir\n<bobi_> ok procedo\n<bobi_> fatto, è qui http://paste.ubuntu.com/1006334/\n<vit_o> glpiana, la schermata gialla è ancora là , ancora più inquietante.\n<glpiana> bobi_, hai altre porte usb su cui inserirla?\n<glpiana> vit_o, azz. non so aiutarti però\n<bobi_> sì , ma anche se la inserisco sulle altre non me la riconosce\n<vit_o> glpiana, ok, grazie gualmente, tanto per capire. la cosa che mi hai fatto cancellare a che serviva?\n<glpiana> vit_o, la roba che ti ho fatto cancellare è ancora là perchè le modifiche la boot svaniscono all'avvio successivo. era per vedere cosa accadeva senza passare da plymouth\n<glpiana> bobi_, scrivi lsusb e metti su pastebin\n<vit_o> glpiana, capito. vabbè proverò più avanti tra qlc giorno di nuovo qui perchè cmq in giro sul web non ho trovato soluzioni\n<vit_o> allora grazie tante e buona giornata\n<glpiana> altrettanto vit_o\n<bobi_> scusa glpiana sono caduto, adesso dovrei scrivere lusb e incollare su paste bin?\n<glpiana> bobi_, sì, ma aspetta prova prima a digitare: eject /dev/sr2\n<glpiana> bobi_, dimmi se il terminale ti restituisce il prompt\n<bobi_> cmq prima sono caduto perchè appena ho tolto e reinserito la chiavetta in un'altra porta usb si è bloccato ubuntu\n<glpiana> wow\n<bobi_> il terminale mi dice che è impossibiole trovare o aprire il dispositivo\n<glpiana> bobi_, ma il sistema è aggiornato?\n<bobi_> lux@lux-TravelMate-5744Z:~$ eject /dev/sr2 eject: impossibile trovare o aprire il dispositivo \"/dev/sr2\"\n<bobi_> scusami\n<bobi_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1006344/\n<bobi_> sì è aggiornato\n<glpiana> bobi_, ls /dev/sr*\n<bobi_> fatto, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1006348/\n<glpiana> bobi_, hai un solo lettore cd, vero?\n<glpiana> sì, dai è un portatile\n<bobi_> sì, un solo lettore\n<glpiana> scrivi: eject /dev/sr1\n<bobi_> l'ho scritto\n<glpiana> bobi_, ti ha ridato il prompt?\n<bobi_> si esatto\n<glpiana> bobi_, ora vai su network manager e prova a connetterti o a configurare la connessione\n<bobi_> perdonami , dov'è il network manager\n<glpiana> bobi_, sarebbe l'icona della rete in alto a destra, nei pressi dell'orologio\n<bobi_> devo andare su connessioni VPN e quindi su configura VPN?\n<glpiana> bobi_, no, su modifica connessioni e poi banda larga\n<AngelForget> scusate come posso aggiustare il logo screen di kubuntu 12.04 perché all'avio mi da con una risoluzione troppo alto\n<bobi_> perfetto se vado su modifica connessioni e poi su banda larga trovo il nome della chiavetta Wind-non business\n<bobi_> ma nonostante ciò non me la riconosce\n<glpiana> AngelForget, prova a modificare la riga #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480 in /etc/default/grub, togliendo il cancelletto davanti e inserendo come numeri la risoluzione che vuoi\n<glpiana> AngelForget, poi dai sudo update-grub\n<glpiana> bobi_, nel terminale di nuovo: dmesg | tail\n<glpiana> caffè\n<bobi_> incollo su pastebin\n<AngelForget> glpiana, scusami mi dai la procedura completa x il terminale per kubuntu\n<bobi_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1006360/\n<AngelForget> glpiana, ...\n<glpiana> AngelForget, kdesudo kate /etc/default/gru\n<glpiana> AngelForget, kdesudo kate /etc/default/grub\n<glpiana> mancava un b\n<AngelForget> glpiana, mi da questo in terminale è tutto ok ?\n<AngelForget> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1006375/\n<glpiana> bobi_, stacca la chiavetta, rinifilala in una porta, dai dmesg | tail guarda se la chiama sr 1 o sr2 o cosa, dai poi eject sr1 o 2 a seconda di quel che ha detto e dai di nuovo dmesg | tail\n<bobi_> ho digitato dmesg | tail sul terminale e ho riportato qui su http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1006360/\n<glpiana> AngelForget, ma si è aperto o no kate?\n<AngelForget> si\n<glpiana> AngelForget, modifica come ti ho detto, salva e dai sudo update-grub\n<AngelForget> luinca cosa strana e che mi da tutte ste scritte nel terminale di solito con gnome non le da\n<filo1234> te le da te le da\n<glpiana> a tra poco\n<bobi_> l'ho staccata e riattaccata ma non capisco come la chiama, certe volte sr e altre sr 2... incollo qui http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1006381/\n<glpiana> bobi_, eject /dev/sr2\n<AngelForget> quindi filo1234 e tutto normale ?\n<glpiana> AngelForget, filo1234 non è per nulla nromale\n<bobi_> mi dice che è impossibile trovare il dispositivo\n<glpiana> bobi_, scrivi: uname -a\n<AngelForget> e quindi ho qualche errore glpiana ?\n<glpiana> AngelForget, no, ho detto che filo1234 non è normale\n<glpiana> a tra poco (davvero stavolta)\n<filo1234> no tu hai detto che non sono nromale\n<glpiana> lol\n<bobi_> fatto , cinollo su pastebin?\n<bobi_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1006387/\n<AngelForget> glpiana, devo solo modificare la riga #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x48\n<AngelForget> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1006388/\n<AngelForget> glpiana, ho fatto tutto come hai detto tu , ho riavviato il mio portatile ma non è cambiato niente ..?\n<glpiana> AngelForget, non lo so, dimmelo tu\n<glpiana> bobi_, ok, il kernel è ok. noncapisco a cosa sia dovuto il problema. con la versione precedente la infilavi e andava l lvolo?\n<AngelForget> lo screen logo di kubuntu rimane sempre sulla stessa risoluzione\n<glpiana> AngelForget, ma il pastebin che mi hai fatto è prima o dopo la modifica?\n<AngelForget> prima\n<glpiana> AngelForget, e tu che hai messo?\n<bobi_> con la versione precedente la infilavo e andava... poi si disconnetteva , poi la infilavo nuovamente e dopo un po' diventava stabile\n<bobi_> ma adesso non me la riconosce manco morto\n<AngelForget> glpiana, eccocosa ho messo\n<AngelForget> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1006401/\n<adry> buon giorno a tutti sapete dirmi dove posso trovare fake atac per kubuntu?\n<glpiana> AngelForget, e hai dato sudo update-grub dopo la modifica?\n<AngelForget> si\n<glpiana> adry, cos'è fake atac?\n<bobi_> quindi ora come ora... cosa devo fare? :-(\n<glpiana> AngelForget, allora non so dirti. puoi provare con l'opzione nomodeset. se vuoi fare una prova, all'avvio del pc quando visualizzi il menu di grub, premi il tasto\"e\" e scrivi nomodeset dopo quiet splash, poi premi ctrl+x\n<adry> glp e un programma per fare abbonamenti atac contrafati\n<glpiana> bobi_, è una installazione nuova o un avanzamento dalla precedente?\n<glpiana> adry, non sei sul canale adatto per questo argomento\n<glpiana> adry, e ti dico anche che nessun canale pubblico lo è\n<bobi_> è un avanzamento della precedente\n<glpiana> bobi_, scrivi nel terminale: dpkg -l | grep linux-image\n<adry> glpiana e per bat track come si fa per instalazione su kubuntu ?\n<bobi_> fatto, esce questo http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1006408/\n<glpiana> adry, backtrack è una distro derivata da ubuntu. qui si da supporto per ubuntu non per le derivate.\n<glpiana> bobi_, hai ancora il kernel della versione precedente. al boot visualizzi il menu di grub?\n<glpiana> adry, se per bat track intendevi backtrack, altrimenti non so cosa sa\n<adry> glpiana ce un cannale per kubuntu ?\n<glpiana> adry, questo\n<bobi_> che sarebbe il menù di grub? Il menù in cui posso scegliere quale sistema operativo far partire tra linux e windows? Se è questo la risposta è sì\n<adry> si quello intedevo backtrack glpiana\n<glpiana> adry, allora ripeto, backtrack è un'altra distribuzione\n<glpiana> bobi_, allora vedrai una voce relativa ai kernel precedenti. selezionala e cambia schermata e da lì puoi far partire il kernel 3.0.0\n<adry> grazie glpiana posso instalare un programma per windos su questo sistema operativo ?\n<glpiana> bobi_, vedi se con quello va\n<glpiana> !wine | adry\n<ubot-it> adry: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Virtualizzazione/Wine\n<sauro> buongiorno a tutti. Ho questo problema con una installazione precise x86_64. Il pc è parte di una rete formata da un server linux (Red Hat) con attiva una condivisione samba per diversi client windows. dal mio pc precise, vdevo senza problemi la rete attraverso nautilus senza invocare nessuna connessione (la rete era visibile). Oggi non mi collego più alla rete (vedo i dischi condivisi ma non si montano). cosa può essere accaduto\n<bobi_> non ho capito bene... dal boot posso fare partire il 12.04? Io scorro col cursore e poi digito invio, come faccio a cambiare la schermata?\n<glpiana> bobi_, dovresti vedere una voce relativa ai kernel vecchi (old kernels o roba simile)\n<glpiana> sauro, in un terminale scrivi: ps aux | grep smb\n<glpiana> !paste | sauro\n<ubot-it> sauro: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<bobi_> ok, adesso riavvio e riprovo, quindi devo far ripartire i vechi kernel? potrebbe essere legato a questo il problema della chiavetta?\n<glpiana> bobi_, visto che con la versione precedente andava magari va ancora col kernel precedente\n<glpiana> bobi_, è un tentativo\n<bobi_> oppure mi conviene non fare l'avanzamenti di versione, da disintrallare la versione 11.10 e installare la 12.04?\n<sauro> glpiana, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1006420/\n<glpiana> bobi_, fai sta prova intanto. non prevede installazioni nè altro\n<bobi_> ok\n<bobi_> riavvio\n<adry> un ultima domanda se mi potette aiutare per eliminare un file che manda un chat dentro al sistema operativo per riconoscere il pc come lo potrei eliminare del tutto\n<glpiana> adry, eh?\n<glpiana> bobi_, ovviamente hai già provato a riavviare e riautenticarti sulla rete, vero?\n<glpiana> scusa bobi_\n<glpiana> sauro, ovviamente hai già provato a riavviare e riautenticarti sulla rete, vero?\n<adry> glpiana ce una chat che manda un file o non so cosa dentro al sistema e dei moderatori tramite questo file mi riconoscono e mi bannano come potrei eliminarlo del tutto ?\n<glpiana> adry, ma che c'entra con l'argomento di questo canale?\n<glpiana> adry, e poi se ti hanno bannato avranno le loro ragione. discutine con i moderatori in questione\n<adry> glpiana un programma per fare una pulizia completa del pc\n<glpiana> adry, su kde?\n<bobi_> sono andato sul boot di avvio e ho cliccato su prevoius version, di qui sono andato sulla versione 3.0.0 (che dovrebbe essere 11.10) anziché sulla 12.04, ma il problema della chiavetta permane\n<glpiana> bobi_, infila la chiave e dai dmesg | tail\n<bobi_> fatto, mi esce questo http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1006433/\n<adry> si glpiana sul kde che faccia una bella pulizia di tutto\n<glpiana> adry, prima dai sto comando: cat /etc/issue | base64 e dammi l'output\n<sauro> glpiana, ho riavviato, ma non mi connetto. Per la verità non ho mai fatto nessuna autenticazione neanche quando vedevo la rete regolarmente...\n<glpiana> sauro, la rete è raggiungibile da altri pc?\n<adry> glpiana dal terminale o da qua ?\n<glpiana> adry, terminale\n<sauro> glpiana, si, i client windows vedono la rete normalmente.\n<glpiana> sauro, non so a cosa possa essere dovuto il problema, sorry\n<sauro> glpiana, quando parli di autenticazione, a quale procedura ti riferisci esattamente?\n<bobi_> quindi da cosa può dipende il problema?\n<glpiana> sauro, tu hai detto di essere dentro a una rete formata da un server red hat etc etc\n<sauro> glpiana, si, e da nautilus vedo le condivisioni ma non si montano (fino a ieri tutto ok e non ho modificato nessuna configurazione)\n<glpiana> adry, hai trovato il terminale?\n<bobi_> glpiana ho incollato su pastebin e mi esce questo http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1006433/\n<glpiana> sauro, ripeto, non so a cosa sia dovuto il problema. vedi se la guida di samba ti aiuta\n<adry> no mi dice sul terminale comando non trovato\n<bobi_> cosa può voler significare?\n<glpiana> !samba | sauro\n<ubot-it> sauro: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Server/Samba\n<glpiana> bobi_, non lo so. la chiave attualmente è sicuramente funzionante?\n<glpiana> adry, metti su pastebin comando e output dell'errore\n<glpiana> !paste | adry\n<ubot-it> adry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<sauro> glpiana, ok, adesso vedo. grazie\n<bobi_> sì è funzionante perchè con windows funziona\n<adry> ok grazie glpiana\n<bobi_> dai comandi sul terminale cosa emerge? che non la vede?\n<glpiana> bobi_, in un terminale dai: sudo dpkg --configure -a\n<glpiana> bobi_, io vedo un errore ma non so a cosa sia dovuto\n<glpiana> bobi_, dopo il comando riavvia normalmente e po riprova la chiavetta\n<glpiana> bobi_, anzi prima di riavviare digita: ifconfig\n<glpiana> bobi_, e metti su pastebin\n<bobi_> quando digito dpkg --configure -a mi dice che l'operazione richiesta necessita dei privilegi di superutente...\n<filo1234> bobi_: sudo ^\n<bobi_> ah grazie :-)\n<filo1234> 16:14 < glpiana> bobi_, in un terminale dai: sudo dpkg --configure -a\n<bobi_> sì sì ho sbagliato a copiare pardon\n<bobi_> fatto copio su pastebin http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1006463/\n<glpiana> bobi_, prova un riavvio\n<bobi_> il riavvio lo faccio con la chiavetta inserita o la tolgo e la inserisco quando ho riavviato il pc? sul boot che versione metto: 3.0.0 oppure 3.2.0?\n<glpiana> bobi_, kernel 3.2 e puoi provare entrambe le soluzioni (con e esenza chiavetta)\n<bobi_> ok provo\n<bobi__> fatto, tutto come prima la chiavetta non me la riconosce\n<bobi__> è veramente assurdo non so cosa fare\n<glpiana> bobi__, hai ancora un livecd della 11.10?\n<bobi__> sì ce l'ho\n<bobi__> la devo reinstallare?\n<bobi__> la installo direttamente o devo disinstallare la vecchia?\n<glpiana> bobi__, no, no, avvia il livecd e prova la chiavetta\n<glpiana> se poi con il cd funziona, visto che con la tua installazione non va io ti direi di rimettere la 11.10 se hai necessità di usare la chiavetta\n<bobi__> devo usare ubuntu in modalitù live e vedere se funziona la chiavetta?\n<glpiana> bobi__, yes\n<bobi__> ok provo subito\n<bobi__> è indifferente lasciarla o inserirla dopo?\n<glpiana> bobi__, mettila dopo\n<glpiana> bobi__, così provi anche a dare dmesg | tail dopo averla inserita e vedi se ancora appare quell'errore\n<bobi__> ok\n<bobi__> ok faccio e torno, grazie mille\n<glpiana> io vado, ciao a tutti\n<samba_> ciao ragazzi, ho un domandone o se volete un problema da risolvere\n<samba_> praticamente ho la mia $HOME/Music che è montata con le opzioni bind,rw\n<Best`> ciao ragazzi, buon week-end!\n<samba_> il mount point è /var/lib/mpd/music\n<samba_> ora, quando provo a rimuovere il file $HOME/Music/file.mp3 ricevo questo errore: Invalid cross-device link\n<samba_> se non sbagli mi dice che non posso cancellare un hard link in un altra partizione\n<samba_> ma la cosa interessante è che questo errore lo ricevo solo da nautilus mentre da linea di comando va tutto bene\n<samba_> cosa potrebbe essere ?\n<enzotib> samba_, ma tu hai hard links?\n<samba_> enzotib, montanto la partizione con l'opzione bind non è come avere degli hark link?\n<enzotib> no\n<enzotib> gli hard link vivono limitatamente ad un'unica partizione\n<enzotib> samba_, può darsi che nautilus cerchi di fare giochi strani col cestino, prova a eliminare senza passare dal cestino\n<samba_> enzotib, deve essere per quello, ma a questo punto non capisco come fare per dirgli di spostarli nel cestino nel caso volessi\n<samba_> perchè alla fine sono solo file su un altra partizione\n<samba_> anche le mv sono permesse, no?\n<enzotib> samba_, ma invece di un bind mount, non potevi fare un link simbolico?\n<samba_> l'ho fatto dopo aver letto questo wiki su mpd : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Music_Player_Daemon_(Italiano)#Altra_soluzione_alternativa\n<enzotib> samba_, ma tu sei su ubuntu, vero?\n<samba_> sì\n<enzotib> samba_, mi fai vedere l'errore esatto di nautilus, magari uno screenshot?\n<enzotib> !imagebin | samba_\n<ubot-it> samba_: Vuoi mostrarci una schermata del tuo problema? Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<enzotib> samba_, e comunque la storia del +x non credo sia necessaria su ubuntu, dato che non mette rwx------ di default\n<samba_> http://imagebin.org/213831\n<samba_> la storia del +x è necessaria solo per le directory sennò non ci puoi entrare\n<enzotib> samba_, ma su ubuntu la tua home è +x per tutti\n<samba_> ma non le sottodirectory dentro music per gli utenti non owner, è per quello che\n<samba_> dato che i permessi sono mpd:audio\n<samba_> devo usare chmod 775 per avere la possibilità di ascoltare la musica\n<samba_> o entrare nelle directory\n<samba_> dato che il mio user non è mpd ma appartiene al gruppo audio\n<samba_> cmq questo è un altro problema che ho già risolto\n<enzotib> samba_, ti ripeto, a me che +x per tutti, anche others\n<enzotib> samba_, a te non è così?\n<samba_> che cosa è +x ?\n<enzotib> ?\n<enzotib> ma allora di cosa stiamo parlando?\n<samba_> la home, la $HOME/Music o un file dentro ?\n<samba_> io sto parlando di un errore: \"Invalid cross-device link.\"\n<samba_> che mi arriva quanto tento di cancellare un file con nautilus\n<enzotib> samba_, tutte le directory gerarchicamente sotto la mia home, tranne casi particolari, sono drwxr-xr-x\n<samba_> le mie no, ne ho alcune che sono 700 e altre che sono 770\n<enzotib> e non le puoi sistemare, dato che la umask di default è 0002 ?\n<samba_> ma perchè stiamo parlando dei permessi delle cartelle enzotib ? C'entra qualcosa con l'errore: \"Invalid cross-device link.\" ?\n<enzotib> samba_, perché l'unico motivo di seguire quella pazza cosa del bind mount sono i permessi\n<enzotib> samba_, se i permessi fossero a posto come sono di default in ubuntu, non avresti bisogno di fare il bind mount\n<samba_> i permessi sono ok enzotib altrimenti non potrei cancellare o muovere i file da terminale\n<AlfonsoCeleo> Scusatemi volevo gentilmente porvi una piccola problematica... in pratica non riesco ad inviare email da mozilla Thunderbird. ho un indirizzo con Tiscali... allora faccio la configurazione della posta in modo classico.. Apro Thunderbird.. e faccio la configurazione mettendo nome indirizzo email e password poi ho provato a scegliere sia IMAP che POP3 ma il risultato non cambia: Riesco a ricevere correttamente i messaggi ma non ad inviarli... co\n<AlfonsoCeleo> me posso risolvere?\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, hai seguito questo: http://assistenza.tiscali.it/tecnica/posta/configurazioni/linux/thunderbird/1.php ?\n<AlfonsoCeleo> si certo.. infatto ho fatto proprio la stessa configurazione .. ma non ho risolto nulla\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, ti dà un qualche tipo di messaggio di errore?\n<AlfonsoCeleo> si, quando provo ad inviare un email mi dice che è connesso al smtp.tiscali.it e dopo circa 1 minuto mi dice che la connessione è andata fuori tempo massimo\n<AlfonsoCeleo> e quindi si ferma tutto\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, ma tu sei su connessione tiscali?\n<AlfonsoCeleo> no.. faccio parte di un provider locale... si chiama Convergenze... e difatti ho provato anche a mettere l'smtp di quest'ultimo come ho sempre fatto con microsoft outlook\n<AlfonsoCeleo> ma qui non funziona comunque\n<enzotib> cioè la stessa configurazione email funziona con outlook e non con thunderbird?\n<AlfonsoCeleo> esattamente\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, che smtp usi su outlook?\n<AlfonsoCeleo> smtp.convergenze.it\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, allora per prima cosa direi di usare lo stesso che funziona su outlook\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, e su outlook hai impostato username/password per usare l'smtp?\n<tpaper> ragazzi, sono un supernabbo, come termino un processo?\n<AlfonsoCeleo> si ho usato la password di tiscali e l'username di tiscali...\n<enzotib> tpaper, killall nomeprocesso\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, sull'smtp di convergenze.it?? mi sembrerebbe strano\n<AlfonsoCeleo> si.. davvero... ho sempre fatto cosi... per la posta in uscita.. ed è andato sempre tutto bene.. perchè dovrei usare la password del mio ISP\n<AlfonsoCeleo> ?\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, devi usare una password diversa per ricevere e per inviare, secondo me, per ricevere username/password di tiscali, per mandare username/password del provider\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, come può autenticarti l'smtp di tizio con la password di caio?\n<AlfonsoCeleo> capisco enzotib, ma come faccio ad impostarle entrambe?\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, Impostazioni Account -> Impostazioni Server -> Nome utente, quello di tiscali\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, invece Server in uscita (SMTP)->Modifica->Nome utente quello del provider della connessione\n<AlfonsoCeleo> beh il nome utente devo mettere il mio indirizzo email di tiscali giusto?\n<AlfonsoCeleo> mentre per l'smtp devo mettere il nomer utente del provider?\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, questo non lo so, i dettagli devi prenderli dalla pagina web di tiscali, quella di prima\n<AlfonsoCeleo> In pratica per aver accesso alla mail di tiscali.. mi basta andare su www.tiscali.it ed inserire la mia email: alfonso.celeo@tiscali.it e poi inserisco la mia password e cosi mi accede\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, l'accesso web è tutt'altra cosa, per la configurazione di un vero client devi seguire le istruzioni del sito\n<AlfonsoCeleo> va bene,.. allora riprovo a fare la configurazione del sito di mozilla che mi hai gentilmente inviato prima e vedo se risolvo\n<AlfonsoCeleo> scusami.. per cancellare il mio account attuale da mozilla come faccio?\n<AlfonsoCeleo> ne voglio fare uno nuovo\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, chiudi thunderbird e cancella la cartella ~/.thunderbird, e torna come nuovo\n<AlfonsoCeleo> scusami ancora.. ma non riesco a trovare la cartella sono andato su home o su altre cartelle ma non la visualizzo\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, Ctrl-H per visualizzare le cartelle nascoste (poi di nuovo Ctrl-H se ti dà fastidio vederle)\n<AlfonsoCeleo> Ottimo... allora riprovo e ti faccio sapere.. nel frattempo ti ringrazio davvero tanto per la tua pazienza e gentilezza\n<enzotib> prego\n<AlfonsoCeleo> Allora ho riprovato ma nulla da fare.. ti spiego cosa ho fatto. Aperto Thunderbird... Creato un nuovo account.. mi ha chiesto come prima casella: nome da visualizzare ed ho messo mio nome e cognome\n<AlfonsoCeleo> poi ho messo la mia e-mail... poi ho messo la mia password, cliccato su ricorda password e continua\n<AlfonsoCeleo> lui mi cerca automaticamente le impostazioni per il POP/IMAP e SMTP e mi da pop.tiscali.it e smtp.tiscali.it\n<AlfonsoCeleo> cosi allora invece di andare avanti metto configura manualmente e cosi metto pop.tiscali.it e come SMTP metto convergenze.it\n<enzotib> ok\n<AlfonsoCeleo> a questo punto concludo la configurazione e mi legge subito le email ricevuto.... ma quando provo ad inviarle non riesce a connettersi\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, hai impostato il nome utente per l'smtp?\n<AlfonsoCeleo> quando premo invia mi dice: connessione a smtp.convergenze.it e poi connesso e poi mi dice connessione oltre il limite di tempo massimo e si ferma tutto..\n<AlfonsoCeleo> hmmm non credo.. cioè in pratica se vado su impostazioni e poi su server smtp e modifico smtp.convergenze.it mi compare la prima casella con scritto descrizione\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, mi fai uno screenshot di Server in uscita (SMTP) -> Modifica?\n<AlfonsoCeleo> ma certo un momento che lo faccio e lo carico\n<enzotib> !imagebin | AlfonsoCeleo\n<ubot-it> AlfonsoCeleo: Vuoi mostrarci una schermata del tuo problema? Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<AlfonsoCeleo> http://imagebin.org/213837\n<AlfonsoCeleo> eccola qui... e grazie per avermi indicato il sito...\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, prima cosa, devi mettere il tuo username con il provider, non quello di tiscali\n<AlfonsoCeleo> come potete vedere nella descrizione ho messo il nome del mio provider.. poichè non so se devo scrivere qualcosa in particolare\n<enzotib> la descrizione non è importante, è solo un mnemonico\n<AlfonsoCeleo> cioè qundi nella prima casella? devo mettere l'username del mio provider?\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, ma lo username è importante, non può assoutamente fuzionare con quello di tiscali, magari funziona senza autenticazione, ma non quella di tiscali\n<AlfonsoCeleo> certo certo... allora provo a mettere il nome utente del mio ISP\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, NOOO, nella prima quello che vuoi, nell'ultima il nome utente come conosciuto dal provider\n<enzotib> ecco\n<enzotib> AlfonsoCeleo, prova anche senza autenticazione, magari funziona\n<AlfonsoCeleo> ok infatti ci sto provando proprio adess enzotib\n<AlfonsoCeleo> no niente non va.. ho provato a creare una semplice email con un altro mio indirizzo email.. oggetto e poche lettere di messaggio.. ma nulla allora vado a prendere il nome utente che mi ha fornito il mio provider e provo ad inserirlo...\n<enzotib> io devo andare, ciao\n<AlfonsoCeleo> ok ciao ciao e grazie di tutto\n<AlfonsoCeleo> sei stato molto gentile\n<jester-> sera\n<glpiana> ola\n<frezli1> :-D\n<simotravelmate> salve a tutti\n<simotravelmate> avrei bisogno di aiuto\n<jester-> !qualcuno | simotravelmate\n<ubot-it> simotravelmate: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<jester-> --------------------\n<AlfonsoCeleo> esatto....\n<simotravelmate> qualcuno può aiutarmi?\n<AlfonsoCeleo> simotravelmate, se hai un problema ponilo\n<simotravelmate> sono appena passato\n<AlfonsoCeleo> sicuramente ci sarà qualcuno che saprà aiutarti se ne è capace...\n<simotravelmate> da una versione di ubuntu 10.4 all'ultima\n<jester-> !à à ---------------------\n<simotravelmate> mi sembra 12.4\n<simotravelmate> e ho molti problemi\n<AlfonsoCeleo> si la precise...\n<AlfonsoCeleo> che tipi di problemi?\n<lello> salve a tutti, ho un piccolo problema con il 3d, la mia ati 6750 e l'intel integrata sull'I5\n<AlfonsoCeleo> simotravelmate, ti consiglio di postare il problema su di una riga sola.. questo faciliterà la lettura del problema e dell'analisi\n<simotravelmate> intanto avevo un boot con win e linux e ora non me lo fa più vedere ma si avvia direttamente linux\n<simotravelmate> questo è il peggiore perchè non so come riavviare win con un anno di installazione quindi tanta roba\n<jester-> ---\n<lello> praticamente con i driver proprietari ati il 3d non va, funziona con l'intel ma spesso, all'avvio, sembra abbia dei problemi a funzionare come si deve, riavviando il tutto torna a posto\n<lello> avete qualche dritta?\n<glpiana> !grub | simotravelmate esegui i comandi install e update rportati dopo chroot nella guida per il ripristino\n<ubot-it> simotravelmate esegui i comandi install e update rportati dopo chroot nella guida per il ripristino: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<AlfonsoCeleo> simotravelmate, devi sicuramente riprisitnare il grub...\n<AlfonsoCeleo> ihihih come non detto\n<simotravelmate> quindi la lista che avevo si chiama grub e ora come mai mi è scomparso?\n<AlfonsoCeleo> esattamente... quando ti si avvia il pc ti compare il grub... dove al suo interno puoi decidere il sistema operativo da avviare\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, apri un terminale\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, scrivi sudo fdisk -l\n<glpiana> !paste | simotravelmate\n<ubot-it> simotravelmate: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<simotravelmate> ora tento di seguire la guda per il grub\n<jester-> ----------------------ù ------\n<simotravelmate> ma ho anche un altro quesito, mi funziona tutto peggio e non mi trovo molto con il nuovo ambiente grafico, non mi ritrovo i programmi installati compiz non va + e molte altre cose, anche lar ete va male, è possibile tornare alla vecchia versione?\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, certo, basta reinstallare\n<AlfonsoCeleo> ma i programmi ci sono... basta andare sulla dash\n<simotravelmate> cosa è la dash\n<simotravelmate> prima in alto a destra avevo un menù con i programmi divisi per tipologie\n<AlfonsoCeleo> se guardi in alto a sinistra del tuo schermo troverai un quadratino con il simbolo di ubuntu...\n<simotravelmate> in alto a sinistra\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, se vuoi supprto, affrontiamo una cosa alla volta\n<simotravelmate> si ci sono andato\n<AlfonsoCeleo> cliccalo e li potrai trovare tutte le applicazioni da te installate...\n<glpiana> -.-\n<simotravelmate> ma non mi fa vedere i programmi che avevo\n<simotravelmate> solo 4 programmi che sono di base\n<AlfonsoCeleo> ti consiglio ciò che ti dice glpiana.. affronta prima il problema principale...\n<AlfonsoCeleo> no aspetta li trovi le applicazioni usate di recente\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, quali programmi?\n<simotravelmate> ok\n<simotravelmate> dove è allora la lista di tutti i programmi?\n<AlfonsoCeleo> se guardi in basso alla schermata trovi delle piccole icone.. la prima è una casetta\n<AlfonsoCeleo> clicca sulla seconda\n<AlfonsoCeleo> e li troverai tutte le applicazioni da te installate...\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, cliccando su filtra in alto a destra ti da le categorie\n<simotravelmate> a cavolo devo andare sulla seconda icona e poi selezionare ogni categoria\n<simotravelmate> si ora ho visto\n<simotravelmate> grazie mille\n<AlfonsoCeleo> Anche se aggiorni il tuo SO = Sistema Operativo.. le tue applicazioni non si perdono perchè non è come formattare e reinstallare tutto da capo\n<simotravelmate> si infatti questo lo sapevo ma non le trovavo\n<AlfonsoCeleo> ma è soltanto un aggiornamento del sistema..\n<AlfonsoCeleo> comunque simotravelmate ora ripara il grub\n<simotravelmate> ok\n<AlfonsoCeleo> è la cosa principale che devi fare per ripristinare l'altro sistema operativo di cui disponi.. la guida che ti è stata data...\n<simotravelmate> in ogni caso un downgrade non è possibile\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, apri un terminale\n<AlfonsoCeleo> segui glpiana che è molto esperto\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, no niente downgrade, nel caso devi reinstallare\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, dimmi se vuoi riapare grub o meno\n<AlfonsoCeleo> esatto :)\n<simotravelmate> si\n<simotravelmate> sembra assurdo ma lo aprivo dal menu a tendina e ora non so come si fa\n<AlfonsoCeleo> rivai sulla dash e nella casella di ricerca scrivi terminale\n<simotravelmate> ok ci sono\n<simotravelmate> sudo fdisk -l ?\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, sì\n<simotravelmate> ok fatto\n<glpiana> !aste | simotravelmate\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'aste'\n<glpiana> !paste | simotravelmate\n<ubot-it> simotravelmate: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<simotravelmate> non leggo niente\n<AlfonsoCeleo> come no...\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, dove non leggi niente?\n<simotravelmate> non mi hai inviato del testo?\n<AlfonsoCeleo> no, aspetta\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, devi incollarlo tu il testo -.-\n<AlfonsoCeleo> esatto\n<simotravelmate> tutto quello che mi risponde dal comand fdisk\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, sì\n<dod> si\n<AlfonsoCeleo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<simotravelmate> Disk /dev/sda: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes 255 testine, 63 settori/tracce, 24321 cilindri, totale 390721968 settori Unità = settori di 1 * 512 = 512 byte Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Identificativo disco: 0x1549f232 Dispositivo Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 63 102392639 51196288+ 7 HPFS/NTFS/exF\n<dod> simotravelmate non qui.\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, su pastebin -.-\n<AlfonsoCeleo> simotravelmate, non qui te l'ho appena ripubblicato\n<dod> devi copiarlo nella pagina sul browser. incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina.\n<AlfonsoCeleo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/\n<panforte90> Sera!\n<simotravelmate> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1006790/\n<simotravelmate> scusate\n<AlfonsoCeleo> simotravelmate, ti capisco.. e non preoccuparti.. all'inizio ero peggio di te\n<AlfonsoCeleo> e ancora non sono un grande esperto...\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, sudo grub-install /dev/sda\n<simotravelmate> grazie del supporto e della comprensione\n<AlfonsoCeleo> tranquillo.. fai le cose con calma e vedrai che tutto andrà a buon fine..\n<dod> sera panforte90\n<AlfonsoCeleo> l'importante è che leggi con attenzione le indicazioni che ti vengono date...\n<panforte90> Sera dod!\n<simotravelmate> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1006794/\n<AlfonsoCeleo> vai sul sito che ti è stato pubblicato... incolla il testo che ti è comparso nel terminale dopo che hai inserito il comando.. inserisci il nick\n<AlfonsoCeleo> poi premi paste...\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, sudo update-grub\n<simotravelmate> fatto\n<AlfonsoCeleo> e posta qui l'indirizzo che ti viene dato\n<glpiana> AlfonsoCeleo, l'ha già fatto. basta per cortesia\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, mi mostri l'output?\n<AlfonsoCeleo> ok ok... tranquillo )\n<simotravelmate> si\n<simotravelmate> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1006797/\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, riavvia\n<simotravelmate> ok ora provo, a fra poco\n<AlfonsoCeleo> ok...\n<simotravelmate_> eccomi di nuovo\n<simotravelmate_> il grub non si vede ancora\n<glpiana> simotravelmate_, nel terminale: cat /etc/default/grub\n<glpiana> su pastebin\n<simotravelmate_> però credo ci sia, il monitor dopo l'avvio e le prime visualizzazioni mi da un messaggio\n<simotravelmate_> out of range, poi attende alcuni secondi e dopo si avvia\n<glpiana> simotravelmate_, grub c'è per forza, se no non potrebbe partire ubuntu\n<simotravelmate_> ok scusami, mi dice out of range come se sia una risoluzione sopra quella del monitor\n<glpiana> simotravelmate_, ti ho chiesto l'outptu di un comando\n<simotravelmate_> lo stò facendo\n<simotravelmate_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1006818/\n<simotravelmate_> ?\n<glpiana> simotravelmate_, fai sta prova, riavvia il pc e quando riparte premi e tieni premuto il tasto shift\n<glpiana> simotravelmate_, tienilo premuto costantemente, e vediamo se ti mostra il menu\n<simotravelmate_> ok\n<simotravelmate_> provo\n<AlfonsoCeleo> speriamo bene... quando successe anche a me il tasto shift mi funzionò...\n<simotravelmate> eccomi\n<simotravelmate> premendo shift per un attimo visualizza loading grub, dopo di che di nuovo schermo scuro con scritta out of rante\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, ma quando hai letto grub loading hai lasciato il tasto?\n<simotravelmate> la prima volta credevo di averlo fatto, quindi ho spento di nuovo e l'ho lasciato fisso come mi hai detto te ma uguale\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, che risoluzione usi sul pc?\n<simotravelmate> 1920 x 1080\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, allora scrivi: gksu gedit /etc/default/grub\n<simotravelmate> cambio 640 x 480\n<simotravelmate> con la mia?\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, vai ala riga #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480 togli il cancelletto ( # ) e al posto dei numeri metti chessò, 800x600\n<simotravelmate> ok salvo e riavvio?\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, poi salvi il file e chiudi gedit. nel terminale scrivi: sudo update-grub\n<glpiana> simotravelmate, poi riavvia e vedi se visualizzi grub menu\n<glpiana> io devo staccare. ciao\n<dimitri_> sera.... come si installa una stampante canon lbp 5100 su ubuntu 12.04 a 64 bit ?\n<dimitri_> qualcuno ha news su questo diavolo di capt che non va ogni volta che si cambia versione\n<giorgio70> ciao\n<giorgio70> per montare un secondo HD dati con ubuntu 12.04 come si fa ?\n<dod> come e' collegato al pc?\n<giorgio70> slave\n<giorgio70> dod, ciao\n<giorgio70> in master ho installto ubuntu 12.04\n<dod> ma allora lo dovresti gia' vedere nel programma di navigazione file.\n<giorgio70> no non lo vede\n<dod> apri una cartella qualsiasi. si apre nautilus. vedi a sinistra in basso fra le risorse dovresti vedere il disco. se ci clicchi sopra lo monta e ti mostra i file all'interno.\n<dod> sudo fdisk -l in terminale e metti in paste\n<dod> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<giorgio70> g\n<dod> sicuro che e' collegato bene sia cavo dati che cavo alimentazione vero?\n<giorgio70> controllo\n<dimitri_> mi aiutate a copnfigurare la stampante ho installatio 12.04 e non va +\n<robytrevi> ciao a tutti\n<AlfonsoCeleo> buonasera a tutti\n<cristian_c> ciao\n<assunta> ciao, ho installato ubuntu 12.04 e non mi funziona piu la videocam con skype mi aiutate ?\n<cristian_c> assunta, quale versione usavi prima?\n<assunta> la videocam o ubuntu\n<cristian_c> ubuntu\n<assunta> ho una hercules silver e prima usavo ubuntu 11.04\n<cristian_c> funzionava lì?\n<assunta> si\n<robytrevi> assunta: chiudi skype, apri un terminale e dai: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l2convert.so /usr/bin/skype --disable-cleanlooks -style GTK\n<robytrevi> assunta: e vedi se così funziona\n<assunta> funziona ancora ho fatto un altra installazione ma o uso 12.04 o uso 11.04\n<cristian_c> ma non era clearlooks?\n<cristian_c> assunta, con gli altri programmi funziona?\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: l'ultima parte serve per utilizzare il tema di default... può essere omessa...\n<assunta> non funziona...dice nessun disposiztivo tovato\n<cristian_c> infatti pensavo fosse clearlooks e non cleanlooks\n<cristian_c> assunta, con quali programmi?\n<assunta> cristian_c, skype ...nel terminale mi dice anche Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to load type module: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/menuproxies/libappmenu.so\n<cristian_c> assunta, io ho chiesto un'altra cosa prima\n<alessio> ciao raga vi prego datemi una mano, sono qui davanti al mio pc e non riesco a fare partire la shell grafica, mi va solo in tty -.-' mi sta venenedo la voglia di prendere la iso di winzoz e dire addio a tutto...vi prego aiutatemi prima che faccia gesti insani :D\n<assunta> scusa non avevo letto.... non ho altri programmi che usano la cam\n<cristian_c> 22:25:07 <cristian_c> assunta, con gli altri programmi funziona?\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: potrei aver scritto male... ;-)\n<cristian_c> assunta, mi sembra strano, almeno uno dovrebbe essere preinstallato\n<alessio> se do startx mi si blocca il pc ho letto alcune guide su come riconfigurare xorg ma non ci ho capito niente...\n<assunta> se mi dici provo ad installarne qualcuno\n<cristian_c> alessio, puoi spiegare l'antefatto?\n<cristian_c> assunta, ma magari ce l'hai già installato, controlla\n<robytrevi> alessio: che versione? cos'hai fatto? funzionava prima?\n<assunta> cosa debbo vedere se è installato ?\n<cristian_c> assunta, prova a vedere se c'è cheese o camorama, o guvcview\n<cristian_c> insomma controlla tra le applicazioni installate\n<alessio> robytrevi, cristian-c, ubuntu 12.04 64bit, prima funzionava alla perfezione tranne per il fatto che ho smadonnato due giorni per installare i driver grafici...\n<assunta> nessuno dei tre\n<cristian_c> alessio, ripeto, puoi spiegare l'antefatto?\n<assunta> installo cheese ?\n<alessio> cristian_c, non c'è nessun antefatto due orette fa l'ho spento per aprirlo e pulire la ventola ed ora non va più\n<robytrevi> alessio: hai aggiornato il kernel? se così fosse prova ad avviare il kernel precedente da grub\n<cristian_c> assunta, apri un terminale e digita: dpkg -l | grep cheese\n<alessio> robytrevi, è proprio quello il problema non ho il kernel che avevo prima...l'ho aggiornato e poi come un fesso ho cancellatto con lo script il 3.2\n<cristian_c> alessio, non direi proprio che non è successo niente :D\n<assunta> niente\n<assunta> lo installo ?\n<cristian_c> assunta, prova con dpkg -l | grep camorama\n<alessio> cristian_c, l'ho accesso all'una e fino a 2 ore fa non dava problemi...\n<cristian_c> assunta, sì installalo\n<robytrevi> alessio: che scheda video è? che driver hai installato? come?\n<cristian_c> alessio, cioè ma se prima di pulire la ventola funzionava e dopo non funzionava più, un motivo ci sarà \n<alessio> robytrevi, ati 5650 radeon hd mobility, ho installato i driver proprietari con il file .run scaricato dal sito ufficiale dell'amd\n<cristian_c> alessio, anche questo è molto diverso da 'niente'\n<assunta> allora installato cheese e lanciato dice nessun dispositivo trovato\n<robytrevi> alessio: dovresti disinstallare i driver da tty, guarda qui:\n<cristian_c> assunta, prova con camorama o guvcview\n<alessio> robytrevi, io ora mi sono scaricato i soliti 3 file del kernel 3.2 e l'ho messo sulla chiavetta, però non so come passare sulla chiavetta le ho provate tutte...cd File system cd chiavetta cd qualsiasi cosa\n<cristian_c> assunta, è una wecam usb?\n<cristian_c> *webcam\n<assunta> cristian_c, si una hercules silver con mic\n<cristian_c> alessio, credo tu abbia fatto grossi casini pasticciando con kernel e driver, è normale che poi parta il sistema\n<robytrevi> alessio: http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?t=155477\n<robytrevi> alessio: la parte \"Disinstallazioni\"\n<cristian_c> assunta, allora apri un terminale e digita: lsusb && lsusb -t\n<alessio> cristian_c, non ho fatto pasticci, siccome ha funzionato tutto alla perfezione per una giornata intera, ora perchè tolgo un po' di polvere si pialla il sistema?? mahhh\n<cristian_c> assunta, poi usa pastebin\n<assunta> camorama dice could not connect to video device /dev/video\n<cristian_c> !pastebin | assunta\n<ubot-it> assunta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<robytrevi> alessio: comunque dovresti andare in \"cd /media/cartella_di_montaggio_della_pennetta/eccetera. Ma non credo funzionerà . Meglio che disinstalli i driver hardware e provi a riavviare\n<cristian_c> alessio, insomma, ho visto che hai installato kernel presi da chissà dove (non ho capito se erano aggiornamenti del sistema), ma sopratutto hai scaricati driver esterni ai repo, io non mi stupirei se le cose vanno a ramengo\n<assunta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007077/\n<cristian_c> assunta, ehm, dovresti collegare la webcam e accenderla :D\n<alessio> cristian_c, fin quando i driver aggiuntivi non me li fa installare ed esce sempre la finestra con quel benedetto log, e fin quando gnome-shell farà schifo con i driver open userò quelli proprietari...mi sembra ovvio\n<cristian_c> alessio, infatti ci sono gli appositi driver aggiuntivi installabili dal gestore driver con restrizioni, non ha senso andarseli a cercare su internet\n<robytrevi> alessio: solo che quando cambi kernel devi prima disinstallare i driver dal kernel vecchio e poi reinstallarli nel nuovo\n<alessio> robytrevi, sto riavviando...\n<alessio> robytrevi, si è quello che avevo fatto...anche perchè sennò mi diceva che c'erano gia dei driver installati e di rimuoverli prima\n<robytrevi> alessio: quanto detto, ovviamente se installi i driver a mano\n<alessio> robytrevi, bella roby ora si avvia :D\n<alessio> robytrevi, però si vedono tutti i colori sfasati come se fossero psichedelici\n<robytrevi> alessio: ora non hai i driver proprietari installati nel nuovo kernel\n<alessio> robytrevi, li installo col .run?? tanto li ho presi dal sito dell'amd...credo che sappiano quello che fanno\n<robytrevi> alessio: se li installi, al riavvio sarà tutto come prima. inoltre ad ogni aggiornamento del kernel (se installi i driver manualmente) dovrei prima rimuovere i driver manualmente dal kernel vecchio, poi avviare il nuovo e reinstallare i driver\n<cristian_c> alessio, te lo sconsiglio viamente\n<cristian_c> *vivamente\n<cristian_c> perché già esistono pacchettizzati per ubuntu\n<alessio> robytrevi, cristian_c, eh ok li installo da driver aggiuntivi basta che poi non mi esce il log perchè non mi va di postare ed aspettare ore e ore per risolvere, anche perchè domani si va a scuola -.-'\n<cristian_c> alessio, ok\n<cristian_c> scheda ati o nvidia?\n<alessio> cristian_c, ati ati :D\n<cristian_c> allora starai installando gli fglrx\n<assunta> ok funziona ma solo se lancio skype con il comando da terminale se lo lancio da icona non va....cosa faccio ?\n<alessio> cristian_c, esatto :D mi consigli gli fglrx o gli fglrx-updates??\n<cristian_c> alessio, prima gli fglrx\n<cristian_c> mai sentito parlare di fglrx-updates\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: in teoria sono i proprietari che però si aggiornano automaticamente, ma con la 11.10 non funzionava\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, vorrà dire che ad ogni cambio kernel li riattiverà \n<robytrevi> già \n<cristian_c> assunta, puoi postare il pastebin aggiornato (con webcam collegata)?\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, ho bisogno della tua consulenza\n<cristian_c> :D\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, posso?\n<robytrevi> si cristian_c\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, ho installato la 12.04 ma non riesco ad attivare alcun driver per la scheda wireless\n<assunta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007094/\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, anche seguendo il wiki si parla di attivare i proprietari da jockey\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: che scheda è?\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, ma in jockey risultano attivati, però da lspci si vede il contrario\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, una broadcom BCM4311\n<assunta> cristian_c, non era il cavo della usb ma quello del monitor che era staccato (messo male)\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, sul wiki parla di installare i driver STa\n<cristian_c> assunta, la vedo in lsusb\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: non ricordo quali schede ma alcune invece dei driver bcmwl funzionano con i b43 o viceversa. Hai già provato gli uni o gli altri (solo gli uni o solo gli altri; non contemporaneamente)?\n<assunta> cristian_c, ora funziona ma solo se lancio skype con il comando manuale che mi hai dato prima da terminale\n<cristian_c> assunta, sono attivati sia i driver per la webcam (sonixj) sia quelli per l'audio del mic (snd-usb-audio)\n<robytrevi> assunta: puoi modificare il comando di avvio di skype con quello suggerito; dai da terminale \"alacarte\" vai nella sezione internet --> Skype --> Proprietà --> E al comando metti quello nuovo\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, il problema è che in lspci non risulta nessun driver attivo per quella scheda, mentre in jockey risultano attivi gli STA. à un'assurdita :O\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, la cosa strana è che quella webcam non funziona né in cheese, né in camorama\n<robytrevi> ma non ha detto che funziona con il comando suggerito?\n<assunta> non va\n<cristian_c> mi pare ci sia una guida sul wiki a riguardo\n<alessio> rieccomi\n<alessio> non mi fa installare gli fglrx...che faccio elimino la cartella /usr/share/ati??\n<assunta> aspe.... sto usando unity non gnome\n<cristian_c> se non sbaglio l'hanno tolta dal wiki, ma comunque ho trovato una guida\n<tre5> salve\n<cristian_c> per la hercluse classic silver\n<cristian_c> alessio, vorrei vedere lspci -k\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: controlla con \"lshw\" alla voce network che driver stai usando\n<assunta> robytrevi cristian_c ora funziona sia con cheese che con skype\n<alessio> cristian_c, No command lscipi found- did you mean...\n<cristian_c> alessio, lspci -k\n<cristian_c> assunta, con il comando di robytrevi?\n<assunta> solo che per farla funzionare con skype debbo usare il terminale e cambaindo su alacarte credo si cambi solo su gnome non su unity ...o sbaglio ?\n<robytrevi> assunta: dovrebbe essere così per entrambi\n<assunta> robytrevi, l'ho fatto ma non funziona\n<robytrevi> che dice il terminale assunta\n<alessio> cristian_c, aspè che attacco il mio all'alimentazione che si sta scaricando la batteria\n<assunta> ho copiato al posto di skype LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l2convert.so /usr/bin/skype --disable-cleanlooks -style GTK\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, *-network UNCLAIMED\n<assunta> robytrevi, in che senso che dice il terminale ?\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, quindi è proprio 'cleanlooks'?\n<alessio_> cristian_c, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007120/\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: (prima dicevi lspci, quindi non capico...) prova a disabilitare i driver installati da jockey-gtk e carica il modulo b43\n<robytrevi> assunta: e funziona?\n<assunta> robytrevi, ricapitolo... ho aggiornato alacarte come mi hai detto ma se uso l'icona non funziona la webcam se invece uso il comando da terminale funziona\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, ok, ci sono soltanto i radeon\n<cristian_c> lol, è uscito\n<cristian_c> scusate, mi riferivo ad alessio\n<cristian_c> :D\n<alessio_> cristian_c, sono qui\n<alessio_> cristian_c, ero uscito con quello di mia madre :D\n<robytrevi> assunta: da dove avvii skype? hai provato a riavviare prima?\n<alessio_> cristian_c, ci sono solo i radeon ed ora??\n<assunta> robytrevi, no non ho riavviato dopo alacarte\n<assunta> che faccio riavvio ?\n<robytrevi> assunta: non dovrebbe servire, ma da che icona avvii skype\n<cristian_c> alessio_ sostanzialmente cosa dice il gestore driver quando provi ad abilitare gli fglrx\n<assunta> robytrevi, dalla icona nella barra al lato sx\n<cristian_c> ?\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: ma prima non hai detto che da jockey-gtk ti vede attivi i driver sta?\n<cristian_c> in poche parole\n<alessio_> cristian_c, aspè che lo rifaccio e ti riporto tutto pure il log\n<cristian_c> alessio_, non è necesario se capisci quello che è scritto (lo dico per farti risparmiare tempo)\n<alessio_> cristian_c, L'installazione di questo driver non è riuscita.\n<alessio_> Consultare i file di registro per maggiori informazioni: /var/log/jockey.log\n<cristian_c> allora conviene proprio guardarli, così si risolve\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, sì, vede i driver STA attivi, è strano\n<assunta> robytrevi, non so se serve ma se lancio la dash e cerco skype e dico di aprirlo non fa niente\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: disattivale e poi carica con modeprobe i driver b43 (prova)\n<alessio_> cristian_c, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007140/\n<lelamal> robytrevi: ti volevo ringraziare per quel comando LD_PRELOAD ecc. che hai dato ad Assunta! Ho seguito tutta ala conversazione, e con quel comando sono riuscito a far funzionare la mia videocamera su Skype, dove non funzionava da 2 anni. Grazie ancora! :)\n<cristian_c> sul wiki è scritto che il chip è supportato anche dai b43\n<cristian_c> lelamal, addirittura due anni! :d\n<lelamal> sì sì :)\n<assunta> lelamal, mi devi un aiuto allora\n<robytrevi> assunta: sicuro di avere messo copiato correttamente il comando?\n<robytrevi> (assunta: in alacarte intendo...)\n<cristian_c> ERROR: Binary package fglrx has no trusted origin, rejecting\n<cristian_c> alessio_ dove li hai presi i kernel?\n<lelamal> assunta: mi spiace, uso KDE, non so come aiutarti a copiare quel comando nel tuo sistema. :/\n<alessio_> cristian_c, lffl\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: da dove esce quell'errore?\n<assunta> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l2convert.so /usr/bin/skype --disable-cleanlooks -style GTK\n<cristian_c> alessio_, ora tutto è spiegato :'(\n<cristian_c> un'altra vittima di ferramroberto\n<robytrevi> lol\n<alessio_> cristian_c, fanno roba pupperia?? mi conviene compilarmelo da solo??\n<cristian_c> ma che compilare\n<cristian_c> alessio_, il forum e irc è pieno di utenti che si sputtanano il sistema con i repo di ferramroberto\n<alessio_> cristian_c, io mi ero compilato il 3.4 per i7 seguendo la guida di sto geniaccio...(per modo di dire)\n<cristian_c> e poi dicevano a pollycoke\n<assunta> robytrevi, ho tolto l'icona dalla barra (la avevo bloccata prima di cambiare il comando) e ora se richiamo skype non parte +\n<alessio_> cristian_c anche io mi sputtanai una decina di volte il sistema aggiungendo i suoi repo ma ora non uso repo al massimo qualche .deb non provato dalla comunità , ma scaricato direttamente dal sito ufficiale come skype\n<assunta> robytrevi, se invece rimetto solo skype funziona (da icona intendo) ma senza la cam attiva\n<assunta> non è che debbo mettere qualche apice o cose del genere ?\n<robytrevi> assunta:\n<cristian_c> alessio_, ti conviene usare ppa-purge o reinstallare\n<alessio_> cristian_c, perchè?? non ho aggiunto repo\n<robytrevi> assunta: metti come comando bash -c \"\" e tra le virgolette metti il comando di prima\n<cristian_c> alessio_, altrimenti addio video\n<cristian_c> alessio_, ah, ok\n<cristian_c> alessio_ sostanzialmente che cosa hai fatto di preciso?\n<alessio_> cristian_c, alla decima volta che ho reinstallato l'ho capito...l'ho pure insultato e mi aveva detto che se non gradivo le sue guide potevo benissimo non seguirle\n<assunta> bingooooooooooooooooooo\n<assunta> ora funziona tutto\n<alessio_> cristian_c, niente ogni nuovo kernel che esce lo compilo con questa guida http://www.lffl.org/2012/05/kernel-34-x64-corei3-i5-i7-guida-alla.html\n<assunta> grazie robytrevi\n<alessio_> cristian_c, in termini di velocità ci sta, perchè alla fine ci mette molto meno a fare il boot, ma in termini di stabilità ...non ne parliamo va...\n<assunta> non è che sapete anche come installare la stampante canon ?\n<robytrevi> assunta: modello?\n<assunta> lbp5100\n<alessio_> assunta, http://www.lffl.org/2012/05/installazione-stampanti-canon-su-ubuntu.html chiedi se va bene non so perchè tutti parlano male di sto ferramosca\n<cristian_c> alessio_, scusa ma tu hai una hd5000 o sbaglio?\n<alessio_> cristian_c, si una 5650\n<cristian_c> alessio_, nella guida si parla di hd7000 una generazione successiva\n<alessio_> cristian_c, qui dice solo che è migliorata la gestione di alcune periferiche...l'importante è che si adatti al mio procio ed avendo un i7 720qm credo che sia perfetta\n<cristian_c> alessio_, il problema piuttosto è quello dic seguire più il wiki di ubuntu e meno le guide prese da internet per fare le operazioni base\n<alessio_> cristian_c, eh ma il wiki dice in 30290923 frasi quello che qui dice con una ventina...\n<cristian_c> alessio_, \"oltre all'introduzione di nuovi driver per la gestione di diverse periferiche, tra le quali le schede video della serie Radeon HD 7000 di AMD e la APU Trinity\" ---> ergo, non ti serve\n<cristian_c> a parte la questione del boot più veloce\n<alessio_> cristian_c, è miglioramenti nella gestione dei consumi energetici :D\n<cristian_c> sì, questo è vero, lo utlizzo anch'io quel kernel\n<cristian_c> anche se che con la batteria skrausa non ho potuto apprezzare le differenze\n<alessio_> cristian_c, comunque sia io sto usando il 3.3.6 ottimizzato per i7 perchè non riesco proprio ad installare i driver sul 3.4\n<robytrevi> assunta: c'è una vecchia guida nel wiki, ma segue ancora l'installazione manuale dei driver: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/StampantiScanner/CanonLbp2900\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: hai provato con i driver b43?\n<alessio_> cristian_c, eh io le ho apprezzate invece...quasi in termini di ore...\n<cristian_c> alessio_, io seguo sempre il wiki, se non c'è niente sul wiki, cerco su internet, ma solo DOPO\n<assunta> robytrevi, sto seguendo la guida che mi hai dato prima\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, guardo subito come\n<alessio_> cristian_c, cosa dici ricompilo un'altra volta il 3.4 con questa guida?? anche perchè alla fine cambi giusto due parametri...\n<cristian_c> alessio, io li ho presi già pacchettizzati da launchpad\n<cristian_c> parlo del 3.4\n<alessio_> cristian_c, se prendo il kernel gia pacchettizzato mi da dei problemi quando lo installo mi dice missing firmware...\n<cristian_c> uhm, hai ragione\n<alessio_> cristian_c, ok ma non è ottimizzato per i7 quindi in termini di prestazioni siamo li...è come avere un 3.2 alla fine cambia giusto il risparmio energetico\n<cristian_c> comunque i firmware non sono inclusi nei sorgenti del kernel, se non sbaglio\n<alessio_> cristian_c, ma quando un kernel su kernel.org è mainline invece che stable, significa che è meglio starne alla larga??\n<alessio_> cristian_c, quindi non è un problema se dice possible missing firmware?? posso usarlo ugualmente senza preoccupazioni??\n<cristian_c> beh, basta guardare le date\n<cristian_c> è meglio stable credo\n<cristian_c> alessio_, dipende dal firmware\n<alessio_> cristian_c, se vuoi dai un'occhiata mi renderesti davvero felice...http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007178/\n<cristian_c> è un warning, non un errore, non saprei\n<alessio_> cristian_c, ok aspè che entro con il 3.4 e mi dici come installare i driver...grazie 1000 per l'aiuto che mi stai dando (state c'è anche roby :D)\n<alessio_> arrivo subito\n<alessio> cristian_c, rieccomi sono andato in bagno un attimo\n<alessio> cristian_c, sono tutt'orecchie...\n<cristian_c> alessio, la guida di iffl non è proprio semplice\n<alessio> cristian_c, no no non devo compilare il 3.4 ottimizzato l'ho gia installato, devo installare i driver ati\n<cristian_c> è difficile da seguire già per utenti medi\n<cristian_c> alessio, e ti da lo stesso messaggio di errore il gestore driver?\n<alessio> cristian_c, ma va il fatto di compilare è una cazzata\n<alessio> cristian_c, se vuoi provo ma credo proprio di si\n<cristian_c> alessio, ho letto quella guida ed è spaventosa per numero di comandi usati\n<alessio> cristian_c, dici...mhmhm no nemmeno troppo\n<alessio> cristian_c, comunque si mi da quell'errore\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, ho installato il pacchetto dei b43 e abilitato gli STA nel gestore driver, ma in lspci -k non risultano driver attivati\n<cristian_c> alessio, con kernel più vecchi riesci ad abilitare gli fglrx?\n<robytrevi> STA e b43 sono gli stessi? non ricordo. in alternativa puoi provare con i wl\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, i wl sono gli STA di prima :9\n<alessio> cristian_c, i kernel vecchi li ho rimossi comunque mi ricordi che con il 3.2 li abilitavo senza problemi\n<robytrevi> *cristian_c\n<cristian_c> *:)\n<cristian_c> alessio, perché li hai rimossi, io li conservo sempre\n<cristian_c> ?\n<alessio> cristian_c, li posso rimettere ci vogliono 2 second\n<alessio> *secondi\n<robytrevi> ah ok, allora devi disabilitare gli STA e riavviare la rete, successivamente carichi solo i 43\n<robytrevi> *b43\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, quindi adesso cosa devo fare precisamente?\n<cristian_c> sono un po' confuso Xd\n<robytrevi> disabilita i driver STA, rimuovi il modulo corrispondente () lo vedi da (lsmod) e poi ricarica i b43: sudo modprobe b43 ; infine riavvii la rete (sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart)\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: poi con iwconfig e iwlist scan vedi se va\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, in lsmod ci sono i wl\n<alessio> cristian_c, niente sul 3.4 non riesco nemmeno ad installarli con il .run\n<alessio> cristian_c, DKMS part of installation failed. Please refer to /usr/share/ati/fglrx-install.log for details\n<cristian_c> alessio, reinstalla i vecchi kernel\n<alessio> cristian_c, eh ok dai installo il 3.2\n<cristian_c> alessio, dai repo ovviamente\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: sudo modprobe -r wl e poi sudo modprobe b34 e sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart poi iwconfig e sudo iwlist scan Usa paste\n<alessio> cristian_c, scarico i 3 file da kernel.org??\n<cristian_c> FATAL: Module wl not found.\n<cristian_c> lol, eppure c'è\n<cristian_c> alessio, ho parlato di repo\n<alessio> cristian_c, qual è quello di default con ubuntu 12.04??\n<alessio> cristian_c, come li installo dai repo?? io solitamente prendo i 3 file da qui http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/\n<cristian_c> alessio, che poi la colpa non è tanto di iffl, ma di quanti scaricano roba dall'esterno (alla windows) invece che usare i repo :(\n<cristian_c> il 3.2\n<cristian_c> FATAL: Module wl not found.\n<cristian_c> lo\n<cristian_c> 3.2.0\n<cristian_c> scusate\n<alessio> cristian_c, quindi apro synaptic e cerco headers, image e headers all\n<cristian_c> alessio, io lascerei perdere i ppa, veramente\n<cristian_c> alessio, esatto, ma non sono sicuro che il tuo sistema sia privo di ppa\n<alessio> cristian_c, se vuoi ti posto il mio source.list\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, anche se il primo comando da un risultato assurdo, vado con il secondo comando?\n<cristian_c> alessio, ok, ti credo\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: prova... tanto vale solo per questa sessione\n<cristian_c> alessio, posta invece ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, ora ho fatto comparire b43 in lsmod\n<alessio> cristian_c, non ci posso far niente si aggiunge sempre da solo sto stronzo google-chrome.list google-chrome.list.save\n<cristian_c> alessio, lol\n<Carlin0> se da solo ...\n<cristian_c> Carlin0, ola\n<Carlin0> e poi c'era la marmotta che incartava il cioccolato :)\n<alessio> cristian_c, mortacci sua...è che chromium non mi attira più di tanto mentre chrome...bhe tanta roba, firefox mi crasha sempre -.-'\n<Carlin0> 'sera a tutti\n<cristian_c> alessio, installa i kernel dai repo, tanto li potrai selezionare nel grub\n<alessio> cristian_c, come si installa il kernel dai repo??\n<alessio> cristian_c, li cerco su synaptic??\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, finalmente, caricato il modulo b43 in lsmod, in lspci -k compare: \tKernel driver in use: b43-pci-bridge\n<cristian_c> com'è giusto che sia\n<alessio> cristian_c, vado a nanna ci penso domani dai :D\n<cristian_c> alessio, sì\n<alessio> cristian_c, grazie di tutto notte :D\n<cristian_c> usa sempre i repo, segui la forza (cit.)\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: vedi se ora vedi scansiona correttamente le reti e se ti puoi connettere\n<alessio> cristian_c, :D basta che non siano repo di terze parti sopratutto del sig. ferramosca =)\n<marco> salve\n<cristian_c> infatti parlo dei repo ufficiali di ubuntu, non dei ppa\n<alessio> cristian_c, (cit. un mongolo a caso che si è piallato il sistema una decina di volte :D)\n<alessio> NOTTE!!!! :D\n<marco> a chi posso chiede aiuto?\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, è comparsa una nuova voce nel menù dell'icona sul pannello: reti senza fili, dispositivo non pronto (manca il firmware) , queste due righe sono disattivate\n<Carlin0> !chiedi | marco\n<ubot-it> marco: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<cristian_c> * Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces\n<marco> ok\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: hai installato b43-fwcutter? se non sbaglio è lui che pensa al firmware\n<cristian_c> sì, l'ho installato\n<cristian_c> ho controllato più di una volta\n<cristian_c> altrimenti col cavolo che potevo caricar eil modulo b43 :D\n<marco> domanda: Installato in dual boot windows e ubuntu su acer aspire 1363 su windows la scheda wireless funziona su ubuntu no! Soluzioni?\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, comunque finalmente adesso iwconfig mi vede l'interfaccia wlan, cosa che non faceva prima\n<cristian_c> wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviSenzaFili/Broadcom#Installare_i_driver_b43_con_connessione_internet la parteInstallare i driver b43 senza connessione internet dove dice coe installare il firmware\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, eh, ma io ora sto usando la connessione\n<cristian_c> non senza fili\n<robytrevi> (cristian_c magari c'è pure una versione più aggiornata§)ù\n<cristian_c> com'era il comando wlan0 up\n<cristian_c> come iniziava?\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: ma non ti trova il firmware, quindi magari installandoglielo manualmente cambia qualcosa\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: sudo ifconfig wlan0 up (se wlan0 è il dispositivo)\n<Carlin0> marco, dai nel terminale il comando lspci e metti l'output in paste che vediamo che scheda è\n<cristian_c> SIOCSIFFLAGS: File o directory non esistente\n<Carlin0> !paste | marco\n<ubot-it> marco: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<cristian_c> eppure è quello\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: sudo modprobe -r b43 ssb e poi sudo modprobe b43\n<cristian_c> ho installato firmware-b43-installer\n<marco> Chipset: INPROCOMM IPN 2220 a/b/g Wireless LAN Adapter (rev 01)\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, ora sono repsenti le reti nel menù\n<cristian_c> il problema era il firmware\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: grande!\n<cristian_c> *presenti\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, però la guida potrebbe essere più chiara su cosa fare e in che caso :)\n<cristian_c> invece di andare a tentativi\n<cristian_c> :D\n<robytrevi> proponilo al gruppo wiki :-)\n<Carlin0> marco, è una discussione un po vecchia http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?t=359487 l'ho trovata con google ...\n<cristian_c> connessione stabilita\n<cristian_c> un'ultima cosa\n<cristian_c> nell'icona non compaiono le tacche, come è finora sempre successo\n<cristian_c> parlo del network manager\n<cristian_c> zero tacche, come se non fosse connesso\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: non l'ho mai usato\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, cosa usi? :D\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: wicd... da sempre...\n<cristian_c> (per curiosità :P )\n<cristian_c> ah, non sapevo, uno dei pochi direi :)\n<alessandr1> buonasera a tutti\n<Siphion> (io uso wicd, da sempre pure io)\n<cristian_c> lol\n<alessandr1> io ho un problema con ubuntu software center\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, grazie :)\n<alessandr1> praticamente non funziona\n<cristian_c> per laiuto sul wireless di stasera\n<alessandr1> non mi si apre\n<cristian_c> *l'aiuto\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: magari al riavvio si ripiglia e riconosce tutto correttamente\n<cristian_c> robytrevi, può essere\n<cristian_c> comunque il pulsantino led funziona\n<alessandr1> che posso fare per ripristinarlo\n<cristian_c> alessandr1, ci sono altre applicazioni aperte nel desktop?\n<robytrevi> cristian_c: non so dirti se il modulo b43 e il firmware si caricheranno automaticamente all'avvio... prova e se non lo fanno lo aggiungi tu.\n<Carlin0> dkms dovrebbe aggiungerli da solo\n<alessandr1> cristian_c, no non ci sono apllicazioni aperte nel desktop\n<cristian_c_> alessandr1, quale messaggio di errore riporta?\n<alessandr1> nessun messaggio\n<robytrevi> alessandr1: controlla di avere i repository a posto, apri un terminale e dai: sudo apt-get update\n<robytrevi> alessandr1: posta la risposta in paste\n<robytrevi> alessandr1: !paste | alessandr1\n<robytrevi> !pastebin\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<alessandr1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007257/\n<alessandr1> robytrevi, ecco li il link\n<robytrevi> alessandr1: e sudo apt-get upgrade ?\n<joker__> sera\n<nannes> salvee\n#ubuntu-it 2012-05-26\n<robytrevi> ciao a tutti\n<assunta> buongiorno a tutti, non riesco a installare la mia stampante qualcuno mi da un aiutino ?\n<assunta> robytrevi, ieri ho seguito quel tuo link ma non c'e' la mia stampante\n<robytrevi> assunta puoi ripetere il modello?\n<assunta> canon lbp5100\n<robytrevi> assunta: ubuntu 32 o 64 bit?\n<assunta> 64\n<assunta> 12.04 64\n<robytrevi> assunta: hai già guardato se c'è qualche driver nel sito della canon?\n<assunta> robytrevi, ho seguito una serie di strade. scaricato i driver dal sito canon generato i deb (erano rpm) di questo capt e seguito la procedura ma non stampa. se lancio il monitor mi dice che esiste e fa anche il contyrollo del toner mi dice quante copie ha fatto ma.... non stampa\n<robytrevi> assunta: quindi viene riconosciuta, no? Ma non da nessun errore?\n<assunta> va tutto in attesa\n<robytrevi> assunta: sudo ccpdadmin\n<assunta> robytrevi, mi ha appena fatto un aggiornamento e stava installando proprio il nuovo cups e mi ha detto se volevo aggiornare il cups blacklist e si è bloccato tutto\n<robytrevi> assunta: si è bloccato l'aggiornamento o cosa?\n<glpiana> ola\n<assunta> stava facendo un update ho dovuto resettare e ora se faccio sudo apt-get update mi dice impossibile impostare il blocco per proseguire\n<assunta> Impossibile acquisire il blocco sulla directory di amministrazione (/var/lib/dpkg/). Un altro processo potrebbe tenerla occupata.\n<glpiana> assunta, ti sta seguendo qualcuno?\n<assunta> glpiana, non so parlavo con robytrevi ma non lo leggo più\n<assunta> aspettavo cosa fare si è bloccato l'upgrade e non so come risolvere stavo leggendo qualche blog nel frattempo\n<glpiana> assunta, scrivi nel terminale: sudo dpkg --configure -a\n<assunta> dpkg: errore: un altro processo detiene il blocco su database di stato di dpkg\n<glpiana> assunta, scrivi: sudo lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock\n<assunta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007731/\n<glpiana> assunta, sudo kill -9 11700\n<assunta> ok\n<glpiana> assunta, ora di nuovo: sudo lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock\n<assunta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007734/\n<glpiana> assunta, sudo dpkg --configure -a\n<assunta> mi fa una domanda http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007735/ che scrivo ?\n<assunta> glpiana, credo sia proprio il file della stampante che non va e che da problemi. avevo messo uno # dopo aver generato i file seguendo un post\n<glpiana> assunta, cups è il demone di stampa. se non hai fatto modifiche particolari tu, a mano, digli Y\n<assunta> glpiana, il mio prob è proprio che non riesco a stampare e sto cercando di farlo con questa diavolo di stampante canon....faccio Y\n<assunta> sta andando.... ho intravisto anche che è partito cups ed ha visto una stamapnte....speriamo bene\n<assunta> ok ha fatto\n<assunta> ma... se faccio sudo apt-get update mi da http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007745/\n<glpiana> assunta, aspetta un paio di minuti e riprova\n<assunta> glpiana, niente da fare\n<assunta> rimuovo /var/lib/apt/lists/lock ?\n<enzotib> assunta, pgrep -fl 'apt|dpkg'\n<assunta> 2264 /usr/bin/python /usr/sbin/aptd\n<assunta> cd\n<enzotib> assunta, pgrep -fl 'update|software'\n<glpiana> assunta, prova a dare: sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock.bak\n<assunta> 13151 update-notifier\n<glpiana> assunta, poi riprova o segui enzotib\n<assunta> non mi ha rinominato lock in lock.bak\n<assunta> è rimasto lock\n<enzotib> assunta, ti ha dato errore?\n<assunta> no\n<enzotib> assunta, hai provato a riavviare?\n<assunta> aspe ma l'errore me lo da non in /var/lib/dpkg/lock ma in /var/lib/apt/lists/lock .... quale debbo rinominare ?\n<enzotib> assunta, hai provato a riavviare?\n<assunta> non ancora.... in /var/lib/dpkg c'e' sia lock che lock.bak\n<assunta> che faccio rimuovo lock ?\n<assunta> rimosso lock con sudo rm lock ma il prob resta..... provo a riavviare ?\n<enzotib> sì\n<assunta> .... ho tolto a mano /var/lib/apt/lists/lock ed ora va sta facendo update\n<assunta> enzotib, scusa se sono stata azzardata ;-) ma mi è andata bene ... forse\n<enzotib> ecco, forse\n<assunta> sudo apt-get update ora funziona e arriva alla fine con fatto\n<assunta> ora che faccio x la stampante ?\n<enzotib> ah, questo lo ignoro\n<assunta> glpiana, risolto il prob dell'upgrade ...che faccio x la stampante ?\n<assunta> riprovo + tardi.... grazie di tutto ragazzi\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<New> buongiorno\n<New> ho notato che dopo l'ultimo aggiornamento fatto dal gestore il tempo di boot del mio sistema operativo è aumentato molto\n<New> come faccio a verificare se tutto è a posto?\n<enzotib> New, quando hai fatto l'aggiornamento?\n<New> entotib l'altro ieri mi ha fatto gli aggiornamenti automatici\n<New> enzotib: credo dipenda da quello, perché non ho installato altro\n<enzotib> New, awk '$1 == \"2012-05-24\" && $3 ~ /upgrade|install|purge|remove/' /var/log/dpkg.log\n<enzotib> New, metti l'output su pastebin\n<enzotib> !pastebin | New\n<ubot-it> New: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<New> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007817/\n<New> ecco qui\n<enzotib> New, hai kubuntu?^\n<New> no\n<New> ho ubuntu 12.04\n<enzotib> New, dpkg -l | grep linux-image\n<enzotib> New, sempre su pastebin se sono più di tre righe\n<New> enzotib: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007820/\n<enzotib> New, grep linux-image /var/log/dpkg.log\n<New> enzotib: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007822/\n<Steeler> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<enzotib> New, la lentezza è confermata da più di una prova?\n<New> si\n<New> ho provato un bel po' di volte a riavviare\n<enzotib> New, il file /var/log/boot.log contiene qualcosa?\n<New> enzotib: lo cerco in file tra le cartelle nascoste?\n<enzotib> New, non è nascosto\n<New> enzotib: l'ho trovato\n<New> enzotib: si contiene qualcosa\n<enzotib> New, cosa?\n<New> enzotib: incollo su pastebin?\n<enzotib> sì\n<New> enzotib: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1007826/\n<enzotib> New, wc -l /var/log/syslog\n<New> enzotib: 3646 /var/log/syslog\n<enzotib> New, grep '^May 26' /var/log/syslog\n<enzotib> New, se scorrono troppe righe e non riesci a copiare...\n<enzotib> New, grep '^May 26' /var/log/syslog >out && gedit out\n<New> enzotib: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1007830/\n<giovanni60> ciao\n<giovanni60> ho montato un 2° hd ( Slave ) , però ogni tanto questo HD non lo vedo più, si smonta. ( ho ubuntu 12.04 )\n<giovanni60> ho usato questa procedura : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive\n<robytrevi> giovanni60: cat /etc/fstab\n<robytrevi> giovanni60: sudo fdisk -l\n<robytrevi> !pastebin | giovanni60\n<ubot-it> giovanni60: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<New> enzotib: pensi che funzioni tutto a dovere?\n<enzotib> New, sto guardando il log\n<New> enzotib: ok, scusami allora\n<giovanni60> robytrevi, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007836/\n<robytrevi> giovanni60: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid\n<enzotib> New, scrivi mount in un terminale e dammi l'output\n<New> enzotib: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1007842/\n<giovanni60> robytrevi, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1007839/\n<enzotib> New, free -m\n<robytrevi> giovanni60: io cambierei in fstab la riga:\n<robytrevi> giovanni60: /dev/sdb1 /media/dati ext3 defaults 0 2\n<New> enzotib: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1007845/\n<robytrevi> giovanni60: con: UUID=6b876520-16c2-4566-9a7d-97be5196597f /media/dati ext3 rw,defaults 0 0\n<giovanni60> robytrevi, eseguito\n<enzotib> New, mah, non trovo niente di interessante che giustifichi il problema\n<robytrevi> giovanni60: salva e prova a riavviare. (tutte le altre righe lasciale come sono!)\n<New> enzotib: quindi potrebbe essere semplicemente una casualità ..\n<giovanni60> robytrevi, emetto sudo mount -a\n<New> enzotib: magari ricomincia a funzionare a dovere\n<enzotib> New, lo spero, per il momento non so cos'altro verificare, se mi viene in mente qualcosa ti faccio sapere\n<New> enzotib: sei stato comunque gentilissimo\n<New> enzotib: per ora ti rinagrazio\n<robytrevi> giovanni60: beh, prima dovresti smontare la partizione, se non è già smontata; poi con quel comando vedi se si monta correttamente\n<giovanni60> roby\n<giovanni60> robytrevi, ok\n<cagoccione> sto con Lubuntu... e ho bisogno di eseguire uno script ad ogni logout\n<cagoccione> come posso fare?\n<ingandrea> Salve a tutti!!\n<panforte90> Salve!\n<Smallinsect> ciao, come posso fare per sapere se qualcuno sta usando la mia rete wireless abusivamente? sono su lubuntu\n<Smallinsect> se conoscete una guida chiara online va benone perchè non ho trovato nulla di chiarificante\n<Smallinsect> ero caduto se qualcuno mi aveva risposto ho perso la chat ...\n<mikunos> ciao a tutti\n<mikunos> come al solito mi trovo nei guai\n<mikunos> il mio portatile arranca con il nuovo Ubuntu\n<robytrevi> Smallinsect: Se non sbaglio nast fa quello che chiedi\n<mikunos> cosa devo controllare?\n<mikunos> sento la ventolina impazzire\n<robytrevi> Smallinsect: Poi con \"sudo nast -i wlan0 -m\" sostituendo a wlan0 il nome del tuo dispositivo dovresti vedere ciò che ti interessa\n<robytrevi> mikunos: caratteristiche del pc?\n<mikunos> robytrevi ciao\n<mikunos> robytrevi ho un Vaio\n<mikunos> VGN-AR31S\n<mikunos> un vecchio top level della sony\n<mikunos> 2GB di RAM\n<robytrevi> scheda video? driver usati?\n<mikunos> NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600 128 MB\n<robytrevi> driver?\n<mikunos> i drivers grafici accelerati NVIDIA\n<mikunos> aggiornamenti post-release\n<mikunos> prima avevo la versione current ed era comunque lento\n<robytrevi> mikunos: dai da terminale il comando \"top\" e vedi se qualche processo occupa tutta la cpu\n<mikunos> lightdm\n<mikunos> 7%\n<mikunos> compiz\n<mikunos> nessun altro\n<mikunos> di così particolare\n<mikunos> c'è empathy\n<mikunos> ma non è gravoso\n<mikunos> appena eseguo qualcosa di grafico\n<mikunos> si verificano i rallentamenti\n<mikunos> fino all'effetto scroll che ricorda i vecchi win 95\n<mikunos> con assenza di ram\n<mikunos> e schede con memorie condivise\n<robytrevi> cosa stai usando? unity? Hai provato altre versioni o altri DE?\n<mikunos> si uso Unity, e non ho ancora provato le altre versioni di UI\n<robytrevi> Potresti provare e vedere il risultato\n<mikunos> ok\n<mikunos> ci provo\n<mikunos> aine moment\n<mikunos> ho solamente Ubuntu e Ubuntu 2D\n<robytrevi> gnome-session-fallback è la versione classica, senò c'è gnome-shell (devi installare i relativi pacchetti)\n<robytrevi> *sennò\n<ale_> salve a tutti\n<ale_> sono nuova di questa chat\n<ale_> e ci sono entrata perchè\n<ale_> ho visto che qui si parla di ubuntu\n<ale_> e siccome ho un problema\n<ale_> volevo sapere se c'è qualcuno che può aiutarmi...\n<robytrevi> !chiedi | ale_\n<ubot-it> ale_: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<enzotib> !enter | ale_\n<ubot-it> ale_: non spezzettare una frase su piu' righe. Non utilizzare il ritorno a capo come punteggiatura.\n<ale_> ok scusa, grazie mille! io ho un problema con libreoffice. vorrei trovare un modo per far riconoscere il formato svg su questo software..c'è una versione più aggiornata o si può modificare il software in qualche modo? mi piacerebbe portare le funzioni di xournal a libreoffice in pratica..\n<enzotib> ale_, non mi è chiaro quale sia il problema, puoi tranquillamente usare immagini nel formato svg in libreoffice\n<enzotib> non capisco neanche cosa c'entri xournal\n<ale_> chiedo scusa sono stata un pò confusionaria.non riesco a fare il copia incolla su libreoffice per il files in formato svg, però mi andrebbe meglio ancora se si riuscisse a incorporare il programma xournal a libreoffice perchè lavoro con la tavoletta grafica e non mi piace la matita di libreoffice e d'altro canto non vorrei abbandonare libreoffice perchè mi trovo bene nello scrivere le formule...\n<Steeler> ale_, ma parli di libreoffice draw?\n<karonte> salve a tutti\n<karonte> qualcuno sa come si può installare su ubuntu una stampante di rete, sharata con p910nd\n<karonte> ?\n<ale_> no di libreoffice writer...diciamo che però sì in libreoffice writer uso anche le funzionalità di draw però non mi piacciono perchè non è molto precisa la matita...\n<Steeler> ale_, scusa mi spieghi cosa ci disegni con la tavolettA?\n<ale_> io sto elaborando degli appunti di fisica per il testo le formule e i grafici elementari non c'è problema solo che se devo fare qualche appunto a un grafico nel dettaglio mi trovo in difficoltà con la barra strumenti di libreoffice draw\n<Steeler> ale_, ma i grafici si fanno su calc, sbaglio?\n<enzotib> karonte, sei obbligato a usare p910nd?\n<ale_> io li faccio direttamente su writer...vado sulla barra strumenti e libreoffice mi riporta tranquillamente le funzionalità di calc draw, math etc, sul mio file di testo...\n<karonte> enzotib: si per via dei pc windows varie ed eventuali\n<karonte> ho le stampanti configurate così da anni\n<karonte> non ho voluto usare samba perchè non mi serve a niente\n<enzotib> karonte, se lo fai da anni, cosa c'è di diverso adesso?\n<karonte> enzotib: fino ad ora ho ignorato il fatto che su ubuntu non riuscivo a installare la stampante\n<karonte> ma ora ho la necessità di stampare da ubuntu\n<karonte> visto che sto developpando qui\n<karonte> fino ad ora developpavo solo su windows, e linux lo usavo da server\n<alessio> raga qualcuno mi da una mano ad installare i driver ati per favore??\n<enzotib> karonte, e usa un termine più decente, developpare non si può sentire\n<karonte> ok sto programmando su linux\n<karonte> -_-\n<alessio> minchia karonte te la developpi?? :D\n<enzotib> karonte, quando fai Aggiungi Stampante -> Stampante di rete, ti dà la possibilità di scegliere Host o stampante LDP/LPR\n<enzotib> karonte, hai provato a farlo?\n<karonte> si ho visto\n<karonte> quale devo scegliere?\n<enzotib> te l'ho scritto\n<karonte> visto si\n<karonte> scusami\n<enzotib> poi devi inserire l'host che credo sia facile, ma la coda non so cosa sia\n<karonte> ora provo a vedere che succede\n<karonte> grazie enzotib\n<robytrevi> alessio: attivandoli da jockey-gtk non si installano?\n<enzotib> karonte, credo che lpq sul sistema dove sta p910nd dovrebbe dirti le code disponibili sul server\n<alessio> robytrei, jokey-gtk sarebbe driver aggiuntivi?? no comunque se vuoi ti posto il log\n<robytrevi> alessio: postalo\n<alessio> robytrevi, ok asp che rifaccio la procedura e ti posto il log\n<karonte> enzotib: noto che si blocca la procedura interessante ^^\n<robytrevi> !pastebin | alessio\n<ubot-it> alessio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<enzotib> karonte, a volte ha bisogno di tempo per recuperare informazioni dalla rete, aspetta un po'\n<karonte> sisi è li che lavora tanto non ho furia\n<karonte> cmq enzotib p910nd è un bel serverino, vi feci tutto il lavoro su udevd per beccare l'accensione della stampante\n<karonte> e su windows da 0 problemi\n<enzotib> karonte, ma dove gira?\n<karonte> enzotib: su debian\n<alessio> robytrevi, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1008029/\n<robytrevi> alessio: che scheda è?\n<alessio> robytrevi, ati 5650 hd radeon mobility\n<ale_> io esco...grazie comunque, buon pomeriggio a tutti :)\n<robytrevi> hai provato ad installarli manualmente (in questo caso se aggiorni il kernel devi rimuovere manualmente i driver e reinstallarli nel nuovo)\n<robytrevi> *alessio\n<alessio> robytrevi, dimmi...\n<robytrevi> alessio: hai provato ad installarli manualmente (in questo caso se aggiorni il kernel devi rimuovere manualmente i driver e reinstallarli nel nuovo)\n<alessio> robytrevi, nel vecchio non sono installati al massimo loggo e mi dici cosa devo fare per rimuoverli...\n<robytrevi> alessio, era un'informazione per il futuro. Hai già provato ad installarli manualmente? che kernel stai usando? uname -r\n<alessio> robytrevi, al momento sto usando il 3.4\n<alessio> robytrevi, Linux ALESSIO 3.4.0-030400-i7 #201205210521 SMP Tue May 22 13:35:55 CEST 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux\n<robytrevi> alessio: mmm... allora non ti so aiutare... Non so se ci sono problemi con l'installazione dei driver con i kernel fuori dai repo ufficiali.\n<alessio> robytrevi, ah ok =(\n<kalem> qualcuno mi dice come si cambia la lingua di default globalmente ?\n<kalem> non per gnome solamente\n<kalem> ho installato su macchina virtuale ed è in inglese\n<enzotib> kalem, che sistema c'è sulla macchina virtuale?\n<D4V|DE> ciao a tutti\n<D4V|DE> ubuntu 12.04 e kubuntu 12.04 che amarezza...\n<D4V|DE> entrambi li uso\n<D4V|DE> ed entrambi si bloccano\n<D4V|DE> soluzioni?\n<enzotib> !enter | D4V|DE\n<ubot-it> D4V|DE: non spezzettare una frase su piu' righe. Non utilizzare il ritorno a capo come punteggiatura.\n<D4V|DE> kubuntu si blocca e mi propone la finestra di login come se chiudesse la sessione\n<D4V|DE> e ubuntu con gnome shell invece si spegne direttamente\n<enzotib> D4V|DE, e hanno sempre fatto così?\n<D4V|DE> no.. da quando ho installato nelle partizioni\n<D4V|DE> il 12.04\n<D4V|DE> escludo problemi hardware xkè col winzozz non lo fa...\n<D4V|DE> li ho installati entrambi.. una partizione con gnome e una con kde per avere piu chance\n<D4V|DE> e invece sono fottuto in entrambi i casi\n<tull> entrambi si bloccano all'avvio o dopo il login?\n<enzotib> D4V|DE, cioè dico, hanno dato subito problemi, appena installati?\n<D4V|DE> da quando li ho installati\n<D4V|DE> che fanno così\n<enzotib> !enter | D4V|DE , e due!\n<ubot-it> D4V|DE , e due!: non spezzettare una frase su piu' righe. Non utilizzare il ritorno a capo come punteggiatura.\n<D4V|DE> il kubuntu 11.10 era perfetto! mentre ubuntu 12.04 beta era addirittura più stabile\n<enzotib> D4V|DE, hai installato qualcosa tipo driver video, o non sei riuscito a fare neanche quello?\n<D4V|DE> uso nvidia-current\n<D4V|DE> ho provato anche i post-release e tralaltro da poco hanno aggiornato alla nuova release e... il problema è sempre uguale\n<enzotib> D4V|DE, ma hai fatto l'avanzamento oppure hai installato da zero?\n<D4V|DE> entrambi avanzati\n<enzotib> D4V|DE, allora la cosa ovvia da suggerire è di provare a installare da zero\n<enzotib> D4V|DE, e di usare i nouveau che dicono vadano bene\n<D4V|DE> ahiaa sarebbe un casino dato che è gb su gb di roba da spostare... farei prima a fare installazione pulita su un'altro pc e provare come va\n<enzotib> D4V|DE, puoi anche installare senza formattare\n<assunta> salve, ho ancora problemi e non riesco ad aggiornare .... mi dice che il sistema di pacchetti è danneggiato di fare apt-get install -f ma poi mi ridice che non riesce a fare il lock\n<enzotib> assunta, fa vedere\n<assunta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1008121/\n<enzotib> assunta, ma non ci hai messo sudo davanti?\n<assunta> giusto ora va\n<assunta> enzotib, l'errore che mi da la stampante è Inattiva - /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstocapt3 failed (me lo avevi chiesto stamattina )\n<enzotib> assunta, forse te lo ha chiesto glpiana\n<enzotib> assunta, apri FF alla pagina http://localhost:631/\n<assunta> enzotib, non trovo FF\n<enzotib> assunta, sarebbe firefox :)\n<assunta> ok aperto\n<assunta> cups 1.5.3 che faccio ?\n<enzotib> assunta, clicca su stampanti\n<enzotib> e poi sul nome della tua stampante\n<assunta> ok ho le due stampanti che ho installato LBP5100 e LBP5100-2\n<assunta> ci sono ... cosa vuoi che faccio ?\n<enzotib> uhm\n<pdor> mozilla con xubuntu non mi fa vedere un sacco di cose...l'unica alternativa e' konqueror?\n<pdor> ciao:)\n<tull> pdor, cosa non ti fa vedere?\n<enzotib> pdor, intendi firefox?\n<pdor> sopratutto quello che scrivo nelle caselle di ricerca chat ecc\n<pdor> si\n<pdor> firefox\n<tull> strano...\n<pdor> scrive binaco su bianco\n<pdor> o nero su nero\n<enzotib> pdor, è una cosa che ho già sentito\n<pdor> con xubuntu eh?\n<pdor> bene allora non sono io che ho fatto casini\n<enzotib> pdor, cos'altro hai provato, ubuntu?\n<pdor> ubuntu e' pesante...\n<pdor> non l'ho ancora provato\n<assunta> enzotib, ha aggiornato il sistema e quindi è ripartito... sono su FF e sulla stampanate che faccio ?\n<pdor> forse ubuntu con xcfe4\n<pdor> sono ancora alla 11.10\n<enzotib> pdor, dato che dicevi xubuntu, come se fosse un problema specifico di xubuntu\n<enzotib> assunta, c'è un elenco di azioni?\n<pdor> immagino che con ubuntu vada bene...\n<enzotib> pdor, immagino non è sufficiente\n<pdor> esiste un plugin per firefox che dia delle opzioni avanzate di visualizzazione?\n<assunta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1008154/\n<pdor> o meno equivoche :)\n<enzotib> assunta, sopra a description, non c'è un elenco?\n<enzotib> assunta, che inizia con Maintenance\n<assunta> enzotib, no ci sono due tasti scelta uno administration e uno maintenance\n<enzotib> pdor, ma lo fanno solo alcuni siti?\n<enzotib> assunta, clicca su Maintenance, e vedrai una lista\n<assunta> enzotib, e...\n<enzotib> assunta, mi dici cosa c'è nell'elenco\n<pdor> adesso me lo fa pure gugol\n<assunta> print test page, clean print, print self test page, pause print, reject job, move all job, cancell all job\n<enzotib> assunta, ma il problema qual è?\n<assunta> enzotib, che non stampa... se tampo nello status della stampante esce\"/usr/lib/cups/filter/pstocapt3 failed\"\n<enzotib> assunta, non saprei\n<assunta> oppure \"/usr/lib/cups/backend/ccp failed\"\n<newdick> ciao a tutti\n<newdick> a chi posso chiedere informazioni sul grab?\n<newdick> perche andando ad installare ubuntu da pendrive...mi ha installato il grab sulla pendrive?cioè senza la pen drive non posso scegliere di avviare linus\n<newdick> linux*\n<newdick> xke è andata cosi?\n<Kalce> buonasera a tutti\n<Kalce> io uso la 10.04 . Voglio disinstallare libre office perchè è troppo macchinoso aggiornarlo e quindi reinstallare openoffice.... come faccio a disinstallarlo?\n<enzotib> Kalce, come hai installato libreoffice?\n<Kalce> enzotib , scusa , sono caduto...\n<Kalce> sono andato sul sito e mi sono installato file per file\n<Kalce> enzotib , rieccomi\n<Drizamanber> ciao a tutti, ho lanciato un grub-install /dev/sda e poi sudo grub update, il risultato è che non vede più le altre partizioni, come faccio a sistemare il device.map?\n<diego> l'avevi fatto con una live?\n<Drizamanber> diego: no, con ubuntu 11.04 montato su una partizione\n<Drizamanber> jester-: hai 5 minuti da dedicarmi?\n<diego> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Troubleshooting\n<diego> secondo me devi montare le varie partizioni prima di dare il grub update\n<diego> http://www.istitutomajorana.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1263&Itemid=33 (al paragrafo metodo B)\n<giovanni60> ciao\n<giovanni60> ho montato un 2° hd ( Slave ) , però ogni tanto questo HD non lo vedo più, si smonta. ( ho ubuntu 12.04 ) ho usato questa procedura : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive\n<diego> come si smonta, scusa?\n<diego> se fai un df, lo vedi nei filesystem?\n<giovanni60> si lo vedo, pero non so per quale motivo, si smonta non vedo più i file\n<diego> dovresti cercare nei log, tipo in dmesg\n<diego> o in altri log in /var/log\n<diego> ma si smonta all'improvviso, o facendo qualcosa?\n<giovanni60> si smontas all'improssivo\n<giovanni60> senza fare niente\n<diego> sicuro che sia ben collegato?\n<giovanni60> ad esempio siccome uso HD per scaricare dei file da inetrnet, dopo un certo tempo, non scarico piu perche non vede piu HD\n<giovanni60> si\n<diego> quindi all'avvio compare, e dopo un pò di tempo non lo trovi più nel file manager?\n<giovanni60> esatto\n<diego> scrivi dmesg da terminale, e vedi se c'è qualche messaggio anomalo\n<giovanni60> questo con ubuntu 11.10 non succedeva\n<diego> allora è un problema dell'automount di ubuntu, secondo me\n<giovanni60> diego, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1008294/\n<diego> sto vedendo\n<diego> sembra che il disco stia per andarsene, io farei una copia dei file altrove e poi un controllo completo con il programma della casa produttrice (seagate, wd, ecc...)\n<diego> forse è un falso allarme, ma non mi fiderei, ci sono vari errori nel log che mi hai mostrato\n<giovanni60> ok grazie\n<diego> usando il programma apposito, se ci sono settori danneggiati dovrebbe spostarli altrove e il disco ti torna a funzionare normalmente\n<giovanni60> è idoneo per ubuntu?\n<diego> che marca è il disco?\n<giovanni60> hd è un seagate\n<micheg> è difficile spostare un settore al massimo si piò marcare come non scrivibile.\n<diego> si ma usando il sw seagate si arrangia lui\n<diego> cmq il software SeaTools è per dos o windows\n<diego> bisognerebbe forzare un controllo completo del disco, anche degli errori (tipo il chkdsk di windows)\n<diego> non so come si fa\n<giovanni60> quindi devo inserirlo in un S:O windows\n<diego> esatto\n<diego> installi seatools e fai un check\n<micheg> se hai un bios che supporta l'emulazione ide per il sata lo puoi fare anche da un disco di avvio freedos. comunque un settore non si sposta si segna come non scrivibile, se ce ne sono molti danneggiati sono cavoletti amari vuol dire che il disco ti sta lasciando. comunque per fare un check veloce anche da una live di linux puoi usare fsck, ma solo su un disco non montato. (quindi se to lo manta in automatico smontalo)\n<giovanni60> quindi devo smontare il 2° HD\n<giovanni60> micheg, quindi devo smontare il 2 hd e poi nel terminale do fsck ?\n<micheg> si. fsck.tipo_della_partizione /dev/disco\n<giovanni60> chiudo e apro\n<giovanni60> riciao\n<diego> ciao\n<giovanni60> in risorse veod il 2 HD che ora è montato in quanto vicino cè un simbolo ^ _\n<giovanni60> lo devo smontare m tasto destro ( smonta ) ??\n<giovanni60> o devo usare gparted\n<diego> usa smonta\n<diego> gparted serve per modificare le partizioni\n<giovanni60> impossibile smontare\n<diego> guarda in dmesg\n<diego> puoi forzare lo smontaggio, ma devi usare umount\n<giovanni60> diego, smontato\n<diego> ora devi fare il fsck\n<diego> ma è un filesystem windows o linux?\n<diego> scusami ma devo scappare\n<diego> ciao\n<nannes> ciauu\n<lyoko> buonasera a tutti!vorrei sapere se esiste una versione per ubuntu 11.10 del convertitore video x psp grazie in anticipo\n<Steeler> lyoko, kdenlive ?\n<lyoko> si\n<Steeler> lyoko, che formato sono ?\n<lyoko> cosa?\n<Steeler> lyoko, quelli della psp\n<lyoko> mp4\n<Steeler> lyoko, perfetto, va bene Kdenlive.\n<lyoko> grz\n<lyoko> ma sei sicurp che sia x ubuntu?\n<Steeler> lyoko, sono il RE di KDENLIVE.\n<lyoko> ok\n<lyoko> un ultima cosa come funzionano i file gz.\n<Steeler> lyoko, l'hai installato ?\n<lyoko> cosa?io sn nuovo e nn so qualche cosa!\n<robytrevi> ciao a tutti\n<gabriele93> sera\n<gabriele93> scusatemi, come si toglie il \"ritardo\" da uno script?\n<enzotib> eh?\n<alessio> raga come mai quando apro ubuntu software center non crasha, ma quando vado su installato crasha?? l'ho rimosso e reinstallato ma niente\n<enzotib> alessio, dopo averlo reinstallato, e prima di lanciarlo la prima volta, cancella ~/.config/software-center e ~/.cache/software-center\n<alessio> enzotib, ok grazie ora provo\n<alessio> enzotib, mi potresti dare direttamente il comando da dare?? ho provato con nautilus ma niente non trovo la cartella config\n<enzotib> alessio, rm -rf ~/.config/software-center\n<enzotib> alessio, e poi rm -rf ~/.cache/software-center\n<alessio> enzotib, ok grazie :D\n<alessio> enzotib, niente è crashato di nuovo -.-'\n<enzotib> alessio, crashato con tanto di richiesta di segnalazione?\n<alessio> enzotib, esattamente\n<enzotib> alessio, e i dettagli quali sono?\n<enzotib> alessio, ls -lt /var/crash | head -1\n<alessio> enzotib, totale 23040\n<enzotib> alessio, scusa: ls -t /var/crash | head -1\n<alessio> enzotib, _usr_share_software-center_software-center.1000.crash\n<enzotib> alessio, gedit /var/crash/_usr_share_software-center_software-center.1000.crash , e metti su pastebin\n<alessio> enzotib, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1008525/\n<gabriele93> enzotib, pare funzioni\n<enzotib> alessio, sed -n 650,651p /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/dbus/connection.py\n<silvertux> esiste la versione dvd alternate di ubuntu 12?\n<alessio> enzotib, ion.py\n<alessio> reply_message = self.send_message_with_reply_and_block(\n<alessio> message, timeout)\n<enzotib> alessio, stai usando qualche repo particolare?\n<silvertux> il dvd della 12 non contiente l'alternate?\n<alessio> enzotib, no 0 repo, escluso quello di google che si aggiunge ogni volta in automatico, l'ho rimosso una ventina di volte ma niente continua ad aggiungersi da solo sto maledetto\n<alessio> *google chrome\n<silvertux> la gestione di grub e quindi i vari recovery sono rimasti invariati rispetto a ubuntu 11?\n<enzotib> alessio, e i proposed?\n<enzotib> silvertux, grub è lo stesso\n<alessio> enzotib, ho tolto la spunta appena ho installato il sistema\n<enzotib> alessio, la spunta di default non c'è\n<alessio> enzotib, ah gia l'ho tolta ai non supportati\n<enzotib> alessio, grep proposed /etc/apt/sources.list\n<silvertux> ma non hanno sviluppato il dvd alternate come fecero per la 11? perchè no?\n<alessio> enzotib, non da output\n<enzotib> silvertux, ma a che ti serve, tanto una volta installato ti scarichi dalla rete tutto quello che ti serve\n<enzotib> alessio, ok\n<enzotib> alessio, però non capisco l'errore, pare collegato con DBus\n<enzotib> alessio, vediamo se c'è qualche log\n<silvertux> enzotib, ma dmcrypt è incluso nel cd?\n<silvertux> perchè senò faceva comodo il dvd...\n<alessio> enzotib, provo a riavviare?? solitamente è solo questione di un riavvio...che dici?? anche il crash report dice che se persiste bisgona riavviare\n<enzotib> silvertux, non lo so, ma immagino di sì, o per lo meno la alternate normale dovrebbe scaricare i moduli che gli servono per l'installazione\n<enzotib> alessio, ah, tu non hai ancora provato il riavvio?\n<alessio> enzotib, no :D\n<alessio> enzotib, riavvioo e ti faccio sapere\n<silvertux> grazie\n<alessio> enzotib, crasha ancora =(\n<alessio> enzotib, e poi perchè ora ho 4 icone del catalyst control center invece che due??\n<enzotib> alessio, catalyst? ma si usa ancora?\n<alessio> enzotib, certo...perchè??\n<alessio> enzotib, uso gnome-shell e non posso usare i driver open =(\n<Trippz> ciao qualcuno mi può aiutare ad installare teamspeak 3?\n<Trippz> ho scaricato il file .run dal sito\n<Trippz> ma non riesco ad installarlo\n<Trippz> ho provato ad eseguirlo dalla home ma mi dice che il file è inesistente\n<enzotib> Trippz, non si dà supporto a software che non è nei repo\n<Trippz> teamspeak 2 c'era, forse lo staranno per aggiungere\n<enzotib> !info teamspeak-server\n<ubot-it> teamspeak-server (source: teamspeak-server): VoIP chat for online gaming (server). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.0.24.1+debian-1.1ubuntu1 (precise), package size 1014 kB, installed size 2936 kB\n<enzotib> !info teamspeak-client\n<ubot-it> teamspeak-client (source: teamspeak-client): VoIP chat for online gaming. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.0.32-3ubuntu3 (precise), package size 7198 kB, installed size 14960 kB\n<Trippz> si questo è il 2.0\n<enzotib> Trippz, e questo passa ubuntu\n<Trippz> strano che non ci sia il 3 ancora tra i pacchetti\n<Trippz> in che senso passa ubuntu?\n<enzotib> Trippz, se non c'è, non ci sarà fino alla prossima release\n<enzotib> Trippz, \"è questo quello che ubuntu passa a noi utenti\"\n<Trippz> pausa cena e poi torno a stressare google allora, grazie lo stesso\n<Trippz> \"tornoa stressare perchè ho già cercato prima per i file run\"\n<enzotib> Trippz, ma il 2 non va bene?\n<marco> salve\n<nannes> ciau marco\n<marco> domanda ho un acer aspire 1363 sul quale ho installato ubuntu ultima versione. ho scaricato ndsiwrapper istallato i driver di windows xp e fatto da riga di comando sudo mdprobe ndsiwrapperr\n<marco> al momento sempra funzionale mi trova le reti wireless ma non mi si connette dove sbaglio\n<marco> ?\n<nannes> marco: che scheda è?\n<marco> ok adessso guardo\n<nannes> marco: lspci | grep -i wifi\n<giovanni60> ciao\n<nannes> ciao giovanni60\n<giovanni60> nannes, ciao\n<giovanni60> dovrei eseguire un fsck al mio HD come fare ?\n<robytrevi1> giovanni60: avvi un livecd e senza montare la partizione esegui fsck sulla partizione in questione\n<marco> allora\n<enzotib> giovanni60, oppure sudo touch /forcefsck e riavvii\n<enzotib> marco, se nemmeno sai che scheda hai, perché hai usato ndiswrapper?\n<giovanni60> scusate ma lo vorrei fare solo al mio 2 HD montato in slave\n<robytrevi1> giovanni60: smonta la partizione ed esegui fsck su quella partizione\n<marco> stai calmo\n<enzotib> !chi | marco\n<ubot-it> marco: se stai parlando con qualcuno in particolare, per rendere più leggibile il canale ti consiglio di inserire il suo nickname in quello che dici (puoi usare il completamento premendo il tasto tab)\n<marco> la scheda in questione la conosco non ha driver per ubunutu\n<giovanni60> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1008612/\n<giovanni60> robytrevi1, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1008612/\n<robytrevi1> giovanni60: qual'è il problema?\n<marco> neti2220\n<Trippz> enzotib: no purtroppo le persone con cui devo parlare usano il 3 e il 2 non riesce ad entrare nel server in questione\n<giovanni60> robytrevi1, ho montato un hd ( slave ) però hd dopo un po si smonta e non riesco più ad utilizzarlo se non spegnendo e riaccendendo il pc ( ho utilizzato come guida : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1008612/\n<giovanni60> robytrevi1, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive\n<robytrevi1> non è che ci sia un problema di alimentazione e si spegne? giovanni60\n<robytrevi1> giovanni60: controlla nei log se ci sono errori quando sparisce l'hard disk\n<giovanni60> robytrevi1, mentre scarico da internet dei file, ad un certo punto sento un clic e hd sparisce, mentre il pc è acceso\n<marco> lspici -f?\n<marco> quale è il comado per vedere la scheda wireless in uso?ù\n<Trippz> qualcuno mi sa dire come ci si sposta nelle directory, ad esempio raggiungere il desktop da terminale?\n<lelamal> Trippz: cd nome/della/directory\n<Trippz> grazie\n<Trippz> avevo già provato ma non andava, è case sensitive?\n<lelamal> sì\n<Trippz> ah ecco :D\n<lelamal> :)\n<Trippz> lelamal, potrei chiederti una cosa in privato?\n<lelamal> Trippz: meglio in canale, così se non so rispondere io lo farà qualcun altro\n<Trippz> eh il problema è che mi pare non siano gradite in pubblico domande che hanno a che fare con programmi che non sono nei repository, nulla di che si tratta di teamspeak 3.0\n<lelamal> queste domande sono gradite comunque su #ubuntu-it-chat. Se qualcuno sa, rispoderà là .\n<lelamal> !ot | Trippz\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'ot'\n<lelamal> !offtopic | Trippz\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'offtopic'\n<lelamal> ehh\n<Trippz> vabè io posto il risultato poi se qualcuno vuole aiutarmi mi aiuterà pure qua XD\n<Trippz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1008642/\n<Trippz> adesso provo anche dilà ....\n<lelamal> sì, meglio\n<Trippz> pero non capisco perchè comunque si tratta di un procedimento che non per forza si usa per programmi che non sono nei repository\n<lelamal> è la politica del canale, ne so quanto te\n<Trippz> scusate qualcuno mi puo aiutare con un dns poisoning?\n<Trippz> queste sono domande OT :D\n<Trippz> ahahhaa\n<Trippz> join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Trippz> ops\n<Trippz> XD\n<FloodBotIt2> Trippz: Non intasare il canale, usa http://paste.ubuntu.com per incollare, non usare Invio come punteggiatura.\n<Trippz> ok una domanda che forse posso fare qua, non c'è verso di far funzionare il microfono\n<robytrevi1> Trippz: alsamixer -V all\n<Trippz> robytrevi1: ok si è aperto il mixer\n<robytrevi1> Trippz: il microfono è interno o esterno?\n<robytrevi1> Trippz: controlla che sotto alle voci Mic o capture non ci siamo delle M\n<Trippz> robytrevi1: il microfono è esterno\n<robytrevi1> Trippz: allora la voce dovrebbe essere capture\n<giovanni60> non vedo in ubutnu 12.04 l'installazione della stampante\n<giovanni60> trovato scusate\n<Trippz> robytrevi1: non ci sono delle MM però la scritta è rossa e la barra verde sta a metà ferma\n<robytrevi1> Trippz: lspci | grep Audio\n<Trippz> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)\n<robytrevi1> Trippz: con cosa stai provando il microfono?\n<Trippz> con teamspeak\n<g_gio> salve\n<Kiefer> ciao a tutti . qualcuno mi può aiutare ad installare grass su ubuntu 12.4 ? grazie\n<uncertomarco> ciao ho un problema, ho installato ubuntu server e la ventola del mio computer fa molto rumore e non si ferma mai\n<uncertomarco> hello? qualcuno che mi caga=\n<micheg> è difficile risponderti, e comunque modera il linguaggio controlla con top i processi\n<uncertomarco> ok, scusa per il linguaggio...\n<uncertomarco> comunque, avevo notato che installando ubuntu desktop sullo stesso pc un po' di tempo fa mi faceva lo stesso scherzo fino a che non ho installato il driver nvidia\n<jester-> inoltre non siamo un callcenter che i comodi altrui dopo mezzanotte\n<Kiefer> è gia mezzanotte? e non ho risolto ...urca\n<uncertomarco> antani\n<jester-> uncertomarco: hai in server con grafica?\n<uncertomarco> jester-: no, prima avevo installato gnome-desktop-environment e nvidia-current per provare a risolvere il mio problema, ma non è servito a nulla... così ho deciso di reinstallare daccapo l'ambiente ubuntu-server come da cd\n<jester-> uncertomarco: quindi non è un probmea di deriver grafici ma dell'aspi del tuo bios che non va daccordo con ubuntu. che kernel usi\n<jester-> uncertomarco: prova a editare il menu grub premdndo e, e nella riga kernel dopo ro mitti acpi=force\n<jester-> oppure acpi=force\n<uncertomarco> sì deve essere qualcosa tra il bios e ubuntu, visto che nella partizione windows è silenzioso....\n<jester-> anche noapic\n<jester-> acpi=off\n<jester-> non mi viene in mente altro\n<uncertomarco> jester-: grazie mille, provo a vedere se funziona\n<micheg> ma a che ti server gnome su un server?\n<gi> salve, ho un problema con nvidia, a volte funziona a volte no\n<gi> adesso l'xconfig non mi fa vedere le giuste risoluzioni di monitor\n<gi> cioè quando apro nvidia-xconfig mi dice You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.\n<gi> scusate nvidia-setting\n<gi> ciao air, nvidia non mi funziona bene\n<gi> come risoluzione ho solo 800 x 600\n#ubuntu-it 2012-05-27\n<Carlin0> bonanotte :)\n<rorro007> ciao a tutti ho un problema ho inserito la pendrive e se vado in computer me la riconosce pero non me la apre. Ho la 12.04\n<pdor> ciao non mi va piu la connessione cablata...invece la wireless va\n<pdor> e cosi non mi fido ad aggiornare a 12.04\n<pdor> ogni tanto mi tocca resettare il router al default di fabbrica, c''e un programma che monitora le connessioni ?\n<Epznsfw2> salve a tutti, sto avendo problemi con dpkg, non riesco ad installare/disinstallare nessun programma in quanto ogni volta che ci provo dpkg mi da un errore, per aggiornare libssl1.0.0 l'errore è il seguente http://paste.ubuntu.com/1009223/ come posso risolvere? grazie in anticipo\n<pdor1> ciao non mi va piu la connessione cablata...solo quella wireless\n<pdor1> mi si legge?\n<pdor> ciao non mi va piu la connessione via cavo...solo wireless\n<pdor> scusate ma mi si legge?\n<Diels-Alder> ciao a tutti volevo sapere come mai gm-notify resetta la configurazione ogni volta che ci clicco nel mememnu\n<Diels-Alder> cioè se clicco mi appare il configurator metto le credenziali, applico e chiudo... vado nel memenù e non funge e se riclicco mi esce di nuovo il configuratore senza credenziali...\n<gabriele93> ciao a tuti\n<gabriele93> tutti\n<gabriele93> è possibile passare da xfce a gnome?\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<gabriele93> jester-, giorno\n<papone> ciao a tutti\n<papone> ho un problema con calc di open office, chi mi sa indirizzare?\n<jester-> !qualcuno | papone\n<ubot-it> papone: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<papone> ok, ho un file calc, devo formattare dei dati e trasfromarli in formato valuta. Se lo faccio all'inizio di tutti i dati comapare un apostrofo. Se elimino l'apostrofo il vaore della cella cambia.\n<jester-> papone: hai assegnato il formato valuta alle celle?\n<papone> esatto\n<papone> è il mio estratto conto online\n<papone> lo scarico in formato csv\n<papone> se provo a formattare le celle mi aggiunge l'apostrofo.\n<jester-> papone: non te lo passano in formato excel?\n<papone> in formato excel posso scaricarlo ma per office 2007, e open office non lo apre...\n<pdor> ciao non va piu virtualbox dopo l'aggiornamento mi dice di fare /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup ma non trova vboxdrv....e nemmeno catfish lo trova\n<pdor> aggiornamento a 12.04\n<papone> ho provato anche con servizi online per trasformare il file scaricato da xls a ods, ma falliscono tutti...\n<papone> quindi mi rimaneva la possibilità del .scv, ma non riesco a risolvere questo intoppo\n<jester-> papone: a me libre apre tranquillo file excel\n<papone> anche a me libre apre i file excel :-)\n<jester-> poi non è compatibile 100% checcè se ne dica\n<papone> ma non mi apre i file excel che scarico dal sito della banca...\n<papone> scarico il file provo ad aprirlo e mi trovo una tabella bianca...\n<jester-> papone: hanno i permessi almeno 644 e sono owner e gruppo tuo user?\n<papone> ho tutti i permessi del mondo!!! heheeheh\n<papone> anche excel di office che ho al lavoro (registrata e regolare) non apre quel file. L'help desk mi ha mandato un add-on per rendere compatibile i file excel 2007 con excel 2003... ma ovviamente con openoffice non so che farmene.\n<papone> Inutile dire che al lavoro non ho i permessi admin per aggiornare excel, altrimenti avrei risolto il mio problema (passando per win, ma almeno avrei i miei file))\n<jester-> papone: non ho isea di come si potrebbe fare a trasformare svc in formato office\n<jester-> idea\n<papone> trasformare scv in office è praticamente automatico, ma una volta aperto il file se provo a lavorare sui dati qualsiasi cosa io faccia mi aggiunge l'apostrofo all'inizio\n<papone> scusate, sbagliavo estensione, i file sono .csv mi si erano ingarbugliate le dita\n<papone> la cosa bella è che con google ho trovato questa soluzione:Si cerca la stringa \".*\" e si sostituisce con \"&\"\n<papone> Bisogna spuntare le opzioni di ricerca \"Espressione regolare\" e fare la ricerca nei valori.\n<papone> ma se lo faccio, dove avevo 25 euri me ne ritrovo 1.04\n<papone> mi cambia proprio i valori...\n<papone> lo stesso procedimento, applivcato al campo data invece funziona\n<enzotib> papone, quando apri il csv, ti mostra la finestra per modificare le colonne?\n<papone> sì\n<enzotib> papone, ed è lì che cambia il tipo?\n<papone> e riesco a definirle per bene: data causale entrate ed uscite\n<papone> a vista il foglio di calcolo è perfetto, ma non posso lavorarci su (fare i totali parziali e simili), perchè i dati sono solo formattati in testo\n<enzotib> ripeto: papone, ed è lì che cambia il tipo?\n<enzotib> cambi*\n<papone> scusa ma non ho chiaro cosa intendi\n<papone> il sostituisci . con & lo faccio dopo aver importato il file in calc\n<papone> ricapitolando:\n<enzotib> papone, tu dici \"[12:35:38] <papone> se provo a formattare le celle mi aggiunge l'apostrofo.\"\n<enzotib> cos intendi per \"formattare\"?\n<enzotib> cosa*\n<papone> apro il file .csv lo importo in calc provo a formattare le celle a questo punto compare nei campi l'apostrofo prima dei valori\n<enzotib> papone, cosa intendi per \"formattare\"?\n<papone> per formattare intendo impostare le celle come valuta\n<enzotib> papone, lo fai *dopo* l'import?\n<papone> tasto destro del file formato celle\n<papone> certo dopo aver importato il file\n<enzotib> papone, perché non lo fai durante l'import?\n<papone> ... non ho mai provato,\n<enzotib> prova\n<enzotib> se selezioni una colonna puoi dire di che tipo deve essere considerata\n<papone> asp..\n<enzotib> nella finestra di import\n<pdor> ciao non mi va piu virtualbox, dopo l'aggiornamento a 12.04, mi dice di fare /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup ma non trova vboxdrv....e nemmeno catfish lo trova..idee?\n<papone> ho aperto la finestra di import, di solito flaggo SEPARATO e VIRGOLA non vedo cosa altro potrei fare...\n<enzotib> papone, fammi uno screenshot e ti dico\n<enzotib> !imagebin | papone\n<ubot-it> papone: Vuoi mostrarci una schermata del tuo problema? Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<enzotib> pdor, cos'è catfish?\n<papone> ok datemi qualche secondo e faccio, è da un po' che nonentro in irc e ci metterò un p'\n<jester-> pdor: come lo avevi installato vbox\n<enzotib> papone, magari fa in modo di non mostrare nell'immagine dati sensibili\n<pdor> jester-: non me lo ricordo:)\n<pdor> e' dentro synapytic pero'\n<pdor> ma ho fatto pareecchie capriole\n<papone> posso mettere un link ad un forum cui avevo postato il problema?\n<jester-> pdor: fa vedere dpkg -l | grep virtualbox\n<enzotib> papone, serve a qualcosa?\n<jester-> !pastebin | pdor\n<ubot-it> pdor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<papone> avevo linkato 2 file scaricati dal sito della banca, per vedere se qualcuno riusciva a risolvere il problema...\n<enzotib> papone, ok\n<pdor> jester-: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1009513/\n<jester-> pdor: disinstalla tutto e installa quello da sito oracle\n<pdor> da synaptiv basta?\n<jester-> eh\n<jester-> tutti pacchetti elencati\n<papone> enzotib: http://imagebin.org/214051\n<pdor> jester-: mi sa che lo avevo gia' fatto ma non ha funzionato qualcosa...e devo fare andare l'usb2...mi sai suggerire sopratutto cosa NON devo fare?\n<enzotib> papone, se clicchi su una intestazione di colonna, dovresti poter modificare il campo \"Tipo di colonna\"\n<papone> sì, ho provato con standard e testo ma senza risultato\n<jester-> pdor: con ose non funzano le usb, serve quello oracle, installare le exstensions, che trovi sempre sul sito e le guest\n<papone> http://imagebin.org/214052\n<pdor> anche le guest dal sito eh...\n<papone> http://imagebin.org/214053\n<pdor> mi sa che mischiai...\n<enzotib> papone, allora non ci capiamo, lo devi fare lì, nella finestra di import, rileggi attentamente quello che ho scritto\n<papone> http://imagebin.org/214054\n<papone> asp\n<papone> enzotib: \"dovresti modificare il campo tipo di colonna\"\n<enzotib> papone, cerca questa scritta nel primo screenshot che hai postato, c'è\n<papone> le opzioni sono: standard, testo, data (3 formati) inglese, nascondi\n<enzotib> papone, e hai provato le diverse opzioni?\n<enzotib> (escuso data)\n<enzotib> cioè devi provare solo testo\n<papone> solo standard e testo, quelle data e nascondi mi sembravano assurde...\n<papone> ma per completezza ora provo\n<enzotib> papone, se non va, dammi un file su cui provare\n<papone> come te lo posto?\n<enzotib> papone, su dropbox, o tramite dcc\n<papone> ehm,\n<papone> ....\n<enzotib> papone, /dcc send enzotib /path/to/file\n<papone> ho provato con data...\n<papone> e funziona\n<papone> importo con formato data, poi lo cambio in valuta e funziona\n<enzotib> ok\n<papone> mi hai risolto un gran problema,\n<papone> grazie moltissimo\n<papone> ora vado a pranzo sollevato\n<enzotib> prego :)\n<pdor> c'e' una interfaccia grafica per installare pacchetti debian?\n<jester-> pdor: non devi installare nulla da synaptic\n<pdor> sisi infatti\n<pdor> ma per i pachetti debian mi sembrava che ci fosse un gestore\n<jester-> pdor: doppio click sul .deb\n<pdor> anche perche' l'altra volta che ho installato debian ho fatto casino\n<pdor> si apre nel gestore di archivi\n<pdor> facendo doppio clic\n<jester-> pdor: e da li lo installi che si prende anche eventuali dipendenze\n<pdor> ma come:)\n<Guest63480> salve volevo una mano per quanto riguarda il riconoscimento di un secondo HD Slave su ubuntu! ho scaricato anche \"Strumento di configurazione NTFS\" ma non capisco come funziona :(( ho provato anche a seguire i forum e la guida di wiki per capire come fare ma non funziona!:(\n<pdor> vedo solo 4 directory dentro l'archivio\n<jester-> pdor: ???\n<jester-> pdor: lo hai apreto con file roller\n<jester-> aperto\n<pdor> si con doppio clic\n<jester-> pdor: desto e apri con software center che dovrebbe essere il default per i deb\n<Guest63480> nessuno può darmi una mano?? :( non sò più a chi rivolgermi!\n<pdor> grazz:) ehm...\n<jester-> Guest63480: quando acendi il p il bbios lo vede'\n<jester-> ?\n<Guest63480> si si lo vede e anche se digito sul terminale sudo fdisk -l mi legge entrambi gli HD :)\n<jester-> Guest63480: qindi dove sta il problema\n<jester-> quindi*\n<Guest63480> il problema è che non riesco a trovare il modo per entrare! Cioè a me servirebbe solo per immagazzinare dati film musica ecc ma non trovo il modo per entrare! :( non so dov'è situato!\n<Guest63480> per fare un esempio se uso un SO come windows xp lo posso trovare su risorse del computer, e su ubuntu? Scusa forse la banalità della domanda ma è da poco che ho installato ubuntu!! ;)\n<jester-> Guest63480: usi gnome o unity\n<jester-> ?\n<jester-> Guest63480: hai la barra laterale a sinistra sul desktop?\n<Guest63480> si si esatto\n<jester-> Guest63480: clicca la home\n<jester-> l'icona a casetta\n<Guest63480> ok\n<Guest63480> poi?\n<jester-> Guest63480: colonna di sinistra dovresti vedere tutte le partizioni presnti\n<jester-> presenti*\n<jester-> Guest63480: le clicchi e te le monta\n<jester-> proprio come in winziz\n<jester-> winzoz*\n<Guest63480> si ma vedo solamente il disco principale, unità cd/dvd e unità floppy e basta :(\n<jester-> Guest63480: sicuro?\n<Guest63480> si per questo sono andato su wiki per scaricare il programma ma non capisco come funziona :(\n<jester-> programma di cosa\n<Guest63480> ho scaricato un programma che si chiamastrumento di configurazione NTFS\n<jester-> Guest63480: fai uno shot del desktop con nautilus a perto e postalo su\n<jester-> Guest63480: centra una sega ntfs\n<jester-> !imagebin | Guest63480\n<ubot-it> Guest63480: Vuoi mostrarci una schermata del tuo problema? Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<Guest63480> a si? quindi non serve quel programma?? comunque sto chattando con il portatile il sistema ubuntu è sul fisso :/ come faccio?? esco e rientro col pc fisso??\n<jester-> direi di si\n<Guest63480> perfetto allora esco e ritorno ;)\n<Guest63480> eccomi\n<Guest63480> scusa ma come si posta una schermata??\n<jester-> !imagebin | Guest63480\n<ubot-it> Guest63480: Vuoi mostrarci una schermata del tuo problema? Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<jester-> Guest63480: la fai col tasto stamp\n<Guest63480> ok adesso ci provo\n<Guest63480> ok eccola http://imagebin.org/214059\n<jester-> Guest63480: devi postare la schermata col filemanager aperto Guest63480 icona file o ruben\n<Guest63480> a ok ok scusate\n<Guest63480> eccola http://imagebin.org/214061 ;)\n<jester-> Guest63480: sudo fdisk -l\n<Guest63480> ok\n<jester-> Guest63480: e dpkg -l | grep ntfs\n<Guest63480> facendo sudo fdisk -l a volte mi rileva tutti e 2 gli hd e a volte solo il primo!!\n<jester-> Guest63480: sa di hd alla frutta\n<Guest63480> davvero??\n<Guest63480> quindi basta è da buttare :/\n<jester-> Guest63480: eh stai attento quando accendi il pc, se lo vede il bios lo vede anche il sistema\n<jester-> se non lo vede è come se non ci fosse\n<jester-> Guest63480: controlla che sia alimentato e collegato allo slot ide per bene\n<Guest63480> si il bios lo vede è questo il problema e anche se inserisco il cs ubuntu per l'installazione mi lascia scegliere entrambi gli hd quindi è strano :(\n<jester-> Guest63480: e che sia settato come slave si sullo stesso cavo ide del primo hd\n<Guest63480> si adesso controllo se è collegato correttamente\n<jester-> Guest63480: secondo me anche l bios lo vede e non lo vede\n<Guest63480> è tutto ok cmunque grazie per l'aiuto!! ;) solo una domanda..se provo in futuro a sostituire il vecchio hd con uno nuovo basta vedere se lo legge il bios giusto?? perchè se il bios lo vede allora automaticamente anche il SO lo vede!\n<jester-> Guest63480: si\n<jester-> Guest63480: e va settato col pin dietro come slave\n<Guest63480> e per montarlo come faccio? home --> file e di fianco alla cartella compare l'hd??\n<jester-> Guest63480: si\n<Guest63480> dovrebbe essere comunque in slave perchè ho tolto il jumper come scritto sopra l'hd ;)\n<Guest63480> o devo fare altro'\n<Guest63480> ?\n<jester-> Guest63480: riavvia che e controlla se il biod lo vede. se si lo vedà anche nautilus\n<jester-> e fdisk -l\n<Guest63480> ho capito grazie! ;)\n<Guest63480> scusate se sono ancora qui a insistere ma ho spento il pc, ho smontato e rimontato l'hd e lo riconosce il bios e anche il SO con sudo fdisk -l ma guardate qui?? non posso montarlo! http://imagebin.org/214062\n<Guest63480> dov'è il problema?\n<flavio61> ciao\n<flavio61> scusate ma con questo programma è anche possibile scambiarsi files?\n<oloferne1066> penso di si.\n<naxil> ciao\n<naxil> non riesco a registrare suoni con il registratorino .. pero' da impostazioni audio vedo il volumne del mic..\n<andibi> ciao a tutti ho 1 problema con skype...non riesco a far audio e microfono....\n<andibi> ciao a tutti ho 1 problema con skype...non riesco a far andare audio e microfono....\n<andibi> scusate mi sono espresso male...le casse riproducono i suoni...ma se collego le cuffie con il microfono continuo a sentire i suoni dalle casse,ed il microfono nn registra\n<Guest74813> ciao a tutti!\n<sergios> salve a tutti! Non riesco a vedere alcuni contenuti di adobe flah player. non so se è il caso di reinstallarlo o aggiornare i codec... idee?\n<Guest74813> Ho un problema, ho ridimensionato una partizione con gparted poi ho salvato ma il caricamento ci sta mettendo tanto! sono quattro ore che aspetto.. perché ci sta mettendo così tanto tempo??\n<Guest74813> se faccio annulla ho paura di perdere tutto.. cosa mi consigliate?\n<naxil> andibi\n<naxil> prova cosi..\n<naxil> apri terminale e fai alsamixer\n<naxil> spostati con le freccette fino a mic\n<sergios> Guest74813 potrebbe essere che la partizione in questione si trovi in un'ità montata. in tal caso prova a smontarla!\n<naxil> se premi il tasto M levi e metti i mute alle varie cose della tua scheda sonora..\n<naxil> io ho risolto cosi\n<naxil> avevo il mute sul microfono\n<sergios> Guest74813 *un'unità \n<Guest74813> @sergios cosa?\n<sergios> Guest74813 la partizione che hai ridimensionato potrebbe essere montata nel sistema. prova a smontarla! a me è capitato così!\n<sergios> Guest74813 il processo di ridimensionamento rimane in sospeso fino a quando non smonti la partizione.\n<Guest74813> quindi cosa faccio? annullo?\n<sergios> no!\n<sergios> smonta la partizione\n<sergios> il processo dovrevve continuare e terminare regolarmente\n<Guest74813> ma come faccio a smontarla?\n<Guest74813> ho capito!\n<Guest74813> grazie @sergio\n<sergios> Guest74813 ha funzionato?\n<Guest74813> si\n<sergios> sono contento :)\n<sergios> (l'esperienza insegna) :P\n<sergios> salve a tutti! Non riesco a vedere alcuni contenuti di adobe flah player. non so se è il caso di reinstallarlo o aggiornare i codec... idee?\n<sergios> Guest74813, prego!\n<sergios> Non riesco a visualizzare alcuni contenuti di flash player: qualche giorno fa qui in chat mi hanno aiutato http://pastebin.com/55HjJvnU ma la procedura non è andata bene... anzi! si era disattivato ff poi ripartito da solo! adesso riesco a vedere ancora meno contenuti perchè pare che abbimo disinstallato GNASH (non so bene cosa sia) ma poi non siamo riusciti a reinstallare il pacchetto scaricato dal sito adobe. Ho\n<sergios> trovato questa guida ma mi sono già bloccato al punto 1 perchè non so quali componenti siano installati!\n<sergios> http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?t=335197\n<dod_> guarda laggo di brutto. se hai pazienza..\n<dod_> prova ad aprire il gestore pacchetti fai una ricerca per flash e togli tutto cio' che lo riguarda e che risulta selezionato e installato.\n<dod_> che riguarda flashplayer ovviamente.\n<dod_> poi sergios, ti cerchi la cartella .mozilla abilitando la visualizzazione delle cartelle nascoste.\n<dod_> vedi se hai una cartella plugin dentro la .mozilla. se non c'e' la crei.\n<sergios> dod_ di pasienza ne ho da vendere ma te ne servirà anche a te... :)\n<dod_> plugins.\n<dod_> hai un sistema 64bit?\n<sergios> si sono a 64bit\n<sergios> ho anche una cartella .mozilla-bak , cos'è, non serve?\n<dod_> ok. quindi l'ultimo passaggio e' scaricare il pacco per linux amd64 dal sito adobe. lo scompatti usando rar. esce fuori un file che si chiama libflashplayer.so. lo copi dentro la cartella plugins che a sua volta sta' dentro la cartella .mozilla nella home.\n<dod_> ignorala.\n<dod_> se ancora hai problemi aspetti che vedo come sono messo sul mio. probabilmente io uso gnash solamente oppure il plugin installer presenti nei repo ma devo controllare.\n<reddos> ciao a tutti ho installato di nuovo ubuntu 12.04 32 bit ma non riesco a vedere i video di youtube cosa devo installare grazie\n<reddos> ho trovato una guida su google ma non mi convince\n<nannes> dod_: il sito adobe mi ha dato noie ultimamente... se serve c'è questo, io ho fatto da qui: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/amd64/adobe-flashplugin/\n<reddos> io ho 32 bit va bene uguale\n<nannes> reddos: no!! per te c'è la 32bit!\n<nannes> reddos: lsb_release -a && uname -a\n<reddos> ok\n<reddos> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1009917/\n<sergios> dod_ questo è quello che mi spunta... mi sa che non ho nulla installato!\n<sergios> http://imagebin.org/214073\n<giovanni60> ciao\n<nannes> reddos: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/104244646/adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.235-0precise1_i386.deb\n<giovanni60> esiste in ubuntu 12.04 un programa per estrappolare i file pdf in libreoffice ??\n<reddos> ok\n<nannes> giovanni60: in che senso estrappolare?\n<giovanni60> per modificarli\n<giovanni60> nannes, ciao\n<sergios> giovanni60: File/Esporta nel formato PDF\n<nannes> sergios: no vuole fare il contrario lui.. vuole importare\n<giovanni60> da pdf in libre office\n<dod_> sergios allora prendi il pacco dal sito come ti ho detto. per 64bit. scompatti e copi il file dentro plugins.\n<sergios> nannes capito male!\n<giovanni60> sergios, file pdf /esporta in libreoffice\n<nannes> sergios: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/105154249/adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.235-0oneiric1_i386.deb\n<nannes> ops ops\n<nannes> fermo sergios, volevo dire quest'altro: (scusa)\n<nannes> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/105154186/adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.235-0oneiric1_amd64.deb\n<sergios> dod_ http://imagebin.org/214073 convieni con me che non ho nulla di installato? non ho mai usate gestore pacchetti (anche se alcune cose su youtube le vedo)\n<nannes> giovanni60: C'è un'estensione che te lo permette, si chiama \"PDF Import\"\n<sergios> giovanni60: pensavo un'altra cosa, non so aiutarti!\n<nannes> giovanni60: forse è già una funzione integrata!\n<nannes> che versione hai installato di libreoffice?\n<giovanni60> quella di default dic ubuntu 12.04\n<nannes> giovanni60: io non la conosco... guarda please, così non si perde tempo\n<nannes> da Aiuto > Informazioni\n<lelamal> giovanni60: forse questa? http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport\n<nannes> lelamal: se è >= 3.3 ce l'ha già integrata\n<lelamal> nannes: ah ok!\n<giovanni60> nannes, libre 3\n<sergios> nannes ma il link che mi hai dato è di un file .deb, un installabile se non sbaglio! non c'è il file libflashplayer.so che dovrei mettere nella home/.mozilla/plugins come mi diceva dod_\n<nannes> giovanni60: in ogni caso i pdf non son fatti per esser modificati. Quindi non aspettarti la stessa facilità con cui modifichi un documento di testo qualsiasi, anche perchè \"PDFimport\" è un'estensione che funziona solo su LibreOfficeDraw\n<nannes> sergios: anche a me qualche giorno fa, oneiric ha dato dei problemi con l'installazione di flash da repository. Ho risolto con quello. Quindi ti conviene disinstallare qualsiasi pacchetto flash che hai adesso, e mettere quello ----> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/105154186/adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.235-0oneiric1_amd64.deb\n<andibi> naxil ci 6 ancora??\n<naxil> si\n<naxil> dimmi\n<naxil> hai risolto?\n<sergios> dod_ spero non ti offendi se seguo naxil... :) mi sembra che abbia esperienza diretta e recente sull'argomento!nannes io ho ubuntu 11.10 con gnome shell. va bene lo stesso?\n<nannes> ahah non c'è problema! ;) XD\n<sergios> scusate sto facendo confusione coi nomi!!!\n<naxil> me?\n<naxil> perche?\n<naxil> io dicevo ad andibi\n<naxil> sul 'audio\n<sergios> naxil appunto, ho fatto confuzione coi nomi ! pardon!\n<naxil> niente figurati\n<sergios> :)\n<andibi> si naxil ho scritto alsamixetr\n<andibi> che faccio ora?su headphone vedo 00\n<andibi> senza nessuna scala\n<Sagitt> Could not connect to database: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)\n<Sagitt> come posso risolvere? ho un eeepc 900 con ubuntu server 12.04 e zoneminder\n<Sagitt> pur se formatto, e lo lascio li funzionare con zoneminder ogni tot esce quell'avviso e nulla funziona più\n<reddos> niente da fare i video di youtube non si vedono si era bloccato il pc ho dovuto riavviarlo manualmente\n<giovanni60> se una applicazione non blocca, come si fa a chiuderla ( ubuntu 12.04 ? grazie\n<giovanni60> se una applicazione si blocca, come si fa a chiuderla ( ubuntu 12.04 ? grazie\n<reddos> fai come ho fatto io lo spengi e lo riavvii\n<naxil> ma scusa andibi\n<naxil> che centra headphone?\n<naxil> allora praticamente hai tutti i volumi davanti di tutte le uscit/entrate della tua scheda audio\n<andibi> naxil dovrei aver risolto\n<naxil> con le frecciette sx/ds ti muovi\n<andibi> xo vedo ke ho il microfono attacco\n<naxil> con su giu = + vol - vol\n<naxil> vai su mic\n<naxil> e vedi se sullo 00 hai il verde\n<andibi> anche se nn sono su skype mi riproduce il suono nelle casse\n<naxil> se no premi M\n<andibi> si ho fatto naxil\n<naxil> certo\n<andibi> ma come faccio a sentire il suono solo dalle cuffie quando attacco il microfono?\n<sergios> nannes, ho installato ma mi dice che il pacchetto <<adobe flash-plugin>> viola il conflitto del pacchetto esistente adobe flash-plugin ()\n<nannes> sergios: ti avevo detto di cancellare i vecchi\n<sergios> avevo visto che da gestore pacchetti non c'era nulla di installato che riguardasse adobe flash player.. pensavo bastasse quello! http://imagebin.org/214073\n<sergios> nannes, la cosa è risolvibile?\n<rorro007> ciao a tutti ho un problema ho inserito la pendrive e se vado in computer me la riconosce pero non me la apre. Ho la 12.04\n<naxil> scusate\n<naxil> saltata la corrente\n<naxil> si diceva?\n<naxil> con ci stavo parlando?\n<andibi> naxil: dicevo ke se attacco le cuffie\n<andibi> il suono lo sento nelle casse...e vorrei sentirlo nelle cuffie\n<sergios> ho fatto un casino con l'installazione del pacchetto di adobe flash player senza disinstallare il vecchio. Adesso vanno in conflitto e non so come risolverlo anche perchè da ubuntu software center non mi da la voce disinstalla!\n<sergios> idee?\n<nannes> sergios: dpkg -l | grep -i flash\n<sergios> nannes, http://pastebin.com/WjJJu4dZ (grazie)\n<jester-> sergios: fa vedere dpkg -l | egrep 'ndis|swf|gnash|flash|nsplugin'\n<nannes> sergios incolla questo tutto insieme â sudo apt-get remove adobe-flashplugin;sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras\n<Drizamanuber> ciao a tutti ho un pc con un processore da 840 mhz, quale distro mi conviene installare? ho provato con xubuntu 12.04 e va in crash, mentre lubuntu si installa, ma ci mette una vita a partire\n<nannes> Drizamanuber: lubuntu io cel'ho in un athlon 900mhz e va... quanta ram hai?\n<nannes> Drizamanuber: e poi, che scheda video hai?\n<Drizamanuber> nannes: 240 mb\n<Drizamanuber> non so qual'è la scheda video il pc è un sony vaio\n<naxil> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<nannes> Drizamanuber: in che senso ci mette una vita a partire? quanto ci mette? e poi, nel boot vedi lo splash screen o no?\n<nannes> naxil: per chi è? :)\n<naxil> per me\n<naxil> scusate.. ma lo vedete tutti? credevo di no.. solo con il nick si vedesse..\n<Drizamanuber> nannes: 5 min circa per partire\n<Drizamanuber> nannes: cos'è lo spalsh screen?\n<nannes> naxil: eheh :) se non vuoi che si veda, devi fare un pv a ubot-it\n<nannes> Drizamanuber: il logo lubuntu con i pallini che caricano\n<Drizamanuber> nannes: sì quello si vedeva e poi partiva, funzionava tutto ma molto a rilento\n<nannes> Drizamanuber: togli lxde e metti fluxbox, andrà ancor più veloce... (però non avrai il file manager)\n<nannes> Drizamanuber: se no, per questi scopi ci sono distro come AntiX che sono una bomba!\n<nannes> Drizamanuber: disabilitalo da grub.cfg allora\n<Drizamanuber> nannes: allora provo antix\n<sergios> nannes http://imagebin.org/214079\n<naxil> nannes verresti in chat nattimo..\n<nannes> sergios: bene hai quasi fatto.. premi il tasto TAB (in modo che venga selezionato l'OK) poi Invio\n<sergios> nannes, ok sta andando...\n<sergios> nannes ha finito! adesso? (flash su youtube continua a non funzionare)\n<nannes> sergios: fammi vedere l'output del comando... se ha dato errori\n<nannes> (da pastebin)\n<sergios> nannes eccolo ma mi sembra che manchi la parte iniziale... http://pastebin.com/Fa9pydKG\n<nannes> sergios: dai adesso il comando dpkg -l | egrep 'ndis|swf|gnash|flash|nsplugin'\n<sergios> nannes: fatto, senza output.\n<nannes> lol :D bien, fai quest'ultima cosa:\n<Drizamanuber> qual'è il comando per controllare la mia scheda videeo?\n<sergios> (sono molto ignorante sul terminale e comandi vari :P)\n<nannes> cd~;wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/105154186/adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.235-0oneiric1_amd64.deb;sudo dpkg -i adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.235-0oneiric1_amd64.deb\n<nannes> sergios: incolla quest, tutto insieme, pure con il link! ^^^^ poi fammi vedere l'output du pastebin\n<sergios> nannes, http://pastebin.com/KNesXMe4\n<sergios> Drizamanuber http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/DomandeFrequenti\n<nannes> sergios: scrivi â sudo updatedb;locate plugins | grep -i lib/firefox | grep -v search\n<sergios> nannes http://pastebin.com/WRBrXYVY\n<sergios> fatto!\n<nannes> sergios: ls /usr/lib/firefox/plugins;echo -e \"\\n\\n\";locate libflashplayer.so | grep adobe\n<sergios> nannes http://pastebin.com/nb6iNNtd\n<sergios> nannes ce n'è anchee uno nel cestino :)\n<nannes> sergios: sudo cp /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/;sudo cp /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/;\n<nannes> poi prova quella schifuezzua\n<sergios> nannes, ok fatto! schifuezzua sarebbe flash? :D stavo già testando e funzionava anche prima di dare questo comando! GRAZIE!\n<sergios> nannes, AHHHH finalmente sono riuscito a vedere questo video che mi ha mandato un mio amico ben una settimana fa! (da vedere assolutamente) http://video.repubblica.it/sport/la-pesca-facile-barracuda-di-18-chili-salta-sulla-barca/95554/93936\n<sergios> GRAZIEEE!\n<nannes> lol barracuda di 8 kg O.O\n<nannes> *18\n<sergios> che salta inbarca da solo!! :O\n<ZioScar> salve a tutti\n<nannes> sergios: se gli andata sopra... ahia!!\n<nannes> *andava\n<ZioScar> scusatemi, succede una cosa strana...quando faccio ruotare il cubo fila tutto liscio, appena clicco sulla freccetta in basso per la visualizzazione stile \"expo\" crasha tutto\n<ZioScar> che può essere?\n<nannes> ZioScar: hmm devi farlo partire da terminale per vedere l'errore\n<ZioScar> nannes, ma se mi crasha tutto come faccio...sono costretto a riavviare\n<ZioScar> nannes, spiegami un pò\n<nannes> addirittura! beh allora reindirizzi l'output su file di testo ZioScar!\n<nannes> ZioScar: ma \"crash\" e \"freeze\" sono due cose diverse\n<ZioScar> nannes, spiegami, in pratica, dovrei far roteare il cubo tramite terminale, e poi sempre tramite terminale digitare il comando che mi fa il \"frezee\"?\n<nannes> ZioScar: ahaha macchè!\n<nannes> devi solo lanciare compiz da terminale, il resto è lo stesso..... ma come ho detto crash e freeze son due cose diverse... a te crasha o si blocca?\n<ZioScar> nannes, si blocca tutto\n<nannes> allora non crasha un bel niente\n<ZioScar> nannes, ho dato un compiz --replace da terminale..ho ripetuto la procedura..ma non dice nulla\n<ZioScar> nannes, anzi dice solo questo mentre carica compiz compiz (core) - Error: Couldn't load plugin '/usr/lib/compiz/libimgsvg.so' : /usr/lib/compiz/libimgsvg.so: undefined symbol: decor_apply_gravity\n<nannes> ZioScar: che hai fatto qualche aggiornamento?\n<ZioScar> nannes, la distro è aggiornata..si\n<nannes> -.- spiegati meglio\n<ZioScar> nannes, ho appena finito di installare ubuntu 12.04\n<ZioScar> nannes, ho appena finito di installare gli aggiornamenti\n<nannes> pulita o dist-upgrade ???\n<ZioScar> nannes, vado, come al solito, per mettere compiz\n<ZioScar> nannes, pulita\n<ZioScar> nannes, infine, trovo la sorpresa...mi si blocca nella visualizzazione..\n<nannes> ZioScar: mm..boh, sono strani errori se hai installato da repo...\n<nannes> ZioScar: versione?\n<ZioScar> nannes, spiegami come faccio a vedere l'errore di compiz da terminale\n<ZioScar> nannes, i passaggi da fara\n<ZioScar> fare*\n<nannes> ZioScar: se si blocca è un problema però...\n<nannes> che versione di compiz???\n<ZioScar> nannes, 1:0.9.7.8\n<nannes> ZioScar: vabbè ormai sta per fallire completamente il progetto...\n<robytrevi> ciao a tutti\n<ZioScar> nannes, che intendi?\n<mariano> ciao a tutti ioo ho un problema con java chi mi può aiutare?\n<nannes> nel sito ufficiale vedo che l'ultima stable sarebbe la 0.8.8, mentre tu hai la 0.9.7\n<ZioScar> nannes, questo vuol dire che non può funzionare?\n<nannes> ZioScar: comunque sia, se vuoi sclerare a cercare la soluzione ----> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash\n<nannes> con quelle istruzioni riesci a vedere l'errore ^\n<patatalessa> ciao scusate son nuova di ubuntu posso chiedervi una cosa?\n<bud87> chiedi e se possibile, ti sarà dato\n<patatalessa> grazie intanto\n<patatalessa> devo prendere le cartelline che ho sul desktop di windows e metterle sul desktop di ubuntu,ma come si fa che non le riesco a trovare?\n<Steeler> patatalessa, cioè aspè; sei su 2 PC ?\n<patatalessa> no ovviamente\n<Steeler> patatalessa, allora spiega la situazione, sei su WIN ?\n<patatalessa> devo trovare la cartella col mio nome sul desktop di windows per leggerla da ubuntu\n<patatalessa> no steeler ora son su ubuntu\n<patatalessa> ma non trovo le cartelle del desktop di windows\n<jester-> patatalessa: monti la partizione win da nautlius e fai\n<Steeler> patatalessa, ma come fai ad essere su win se stai su ubuntu ?\n<patatalessa> infatti non son su windows steeler,ma leggi cosas scrivo?\n<Steeler> patatalessa, si, sei in Dual Boot ?\n<patatalessa> che vuol dire steeler?\n<Steeler> patatalessa, hai 2 sistemi insieme nello stesso computer ?\n<patatalessa> si\n<nannes> patatalessa: se apri una cartella a caso (nautilus) troverai la lista delle partizioni nella parte sinistra della finestra\n<nannes> patatalessa: basta cliccare su quella di windows, e troverai le cartelle (Documents and Settings/NomeUtente/Desktop)\n<patatalessa> si lo so ma quelle cartelle non le trovo\n<nannes> patatalessa: allora è \"Users\"\n<nannes> (invece di Doc.andSet.)\n<Steeler> tutti che si ricordano i path di win ahahha\n<nannes> Steeler: quando ci lavori ti rimangono in testa\n<Steeler> nannes, asd\n<nannes> (poi non vedo cosa c'è da ridere)\n<nannes> :P\n<sergios> patatalessa anche io ce l'ho in /user/NOMEUTENTE/Desktop\n<patatalessa> non la trovo\n<Steeler> patatalessa, può darsi anche che sia \"AllUsers\"\n<patatalessa> steeler abbi pazienza ma come ci arrivo?\n<Steeler> patatalessa, è montato questo hdd con win; file sistem da xxxGB ??\n<sergios> patatalessa ma come è stato installato ubuntu sul tuo pc?\n<patatalessa> steeler mi parli in arabo :D\n<nannes> patatalessa: scrivi nel terminale â mount\n<patatalessa> non csapisco nulla di queste cose\n<Steeler> patatalessa, si infatti dai mount\n<nannes> !paste | patatalessa: e incolla tutto nel pastebin\n<ubot-it> patatalessa: e incolla tutto nel pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<patatalessa> scaricato ed installato\n<patatalessa> cosa devo incollare?\n<sergios> patatalessa apri il programma che si chiama terminale\n<Steeler> patatalessa, fai prima a premere CTRL+ALT+T\n<sergios> e poi scrivi il comando mount\n<patatalessa> e dove lo trovo\n<Steeler> patatalessa, fai prima a premere CTRL+ALT+T\n<patatalessa> ok e poi?\n<sergios> scivi mount\n<patatalessa> è comparso di tutto\n<sergios> quello che ti compare lo copi e lo reincolli su http://paste.ubuntu.com/\n<sergios> copia e incolla tutto\n<Steeler> patatalessa, x copiare lo selezioni con il mouse e premi CTRL+SHIFT+C\n<patatalessa> shift sarebbe? :D\n<nannes> tasto destro > copia\n<nannes> senza complicare :D\n<sergios> il tasto per fare le maiuscole\n<patatalessa> ha ha ha\n<sergios> :D\n<patatalessa> ok e ora?\n<Steeler> patatalessa, CTRL+V dentro qui http://paste.ubuntu.com/\n<sergios> dopo aver incollato tutto nella casella \"content\" premi il tasto \"paste\" in basso\n<sergios> esatto\n<patatalessa> fatto e poi?\n<kiefer> Caio a tutti qualcuno mi può aiutare ad istallare Grass 6.4.2 nella 12.04 di ubuntu? Grazie\n<sergios> patatalessa copia l'indirizzo della pagina che ti è comparsa e poi incollalo qui in chat!\n<Steeler> patatalessa, copia il link che vedi nella barra degli indirizzi e incollalo qui\n<nannes> kiefer: non so cosa sia, ma prima di tutto guarda se su synaptic\n<patatalessa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1010236/\n<sergios> yhaaa!!!\n<nannes> ahahah\n<nannes> quale sarà di quei tre? :/\n<patatalessa> ed ora?\n<nannes> eheh gli facciamo guardare tutti e tre :P\n<kiefer> nannes: no sono oltre https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugis/+archive/ubuntugis-unstable?field.series_filter=precise non c'è in synap\n<naxil2> salve\n<patatalessa> nannes se vuoi ti dico come si chiama quel che cerco\n<nannes> no patatalessa\n<nannes> ahah certo hce questo nick che hai scelto..ù\n<patatalessa> e mica l'ho scelto a caso\n<sergios> ;)\n<patatalessa> ùcon tre figli ed un lavoro capisci anche tu..............\n<patatalessa> insomma?\n<nannes> ls /media/D6E24711E246F571/;echo -e \"\\n\\n\";ls /media/Volume/;echo -e \"\\n\\n\";ls /media/8A2829AF28299B69/\n<Steeler> secondo me è questo /media/8A2829AF28299B69\n<nannes> patatalessa: incolla tutto sto minestrone sul terminale patatalessa, poi premi invio ^^\n<nannes> patatalessa: e incolli tutto quello che esce nel pastebin, come hai fatto prima :P\n<naxil2> non so se puo interessare a qualcuno ma dico la mia esperienza con il 3d.. e le schede vecchie e opengl: installando driconf ho abilitato il TS e cosi sono riuscito a giocare a giochi come regnum che altrimenti dicevano oldvideocards\n<patatalessa> nel terminale?\n<patatalessa> ecco figlio chiama\n<nannes> kiefer: dice \"Unstable releases\" quindi non pretendere troppo... però vediamo: dov'è l'errore?\n<patatalessa> dove devo copiuarlo nannes?\n<sergios> patatalessa, si nel terminale!\n<patatalessa> nel terminale dove?\n<sergios> dove ti lampeggia il cursore\n<kiefer> nannes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1010245/\n<nannes> patatalessa: metti la freccina del mouse nella parte nera del terminale, premi tastoDestro>incolla\n<nannes> patatalessa: poi invio\n<Steeler> patatalessa, se l'hai copiato da qui, li premi CTRL+SHIFT+V\n<patatalessa> asp\n<patatalessa> mi cdice comando non trovat\n<patatalessa> scusate devo scappare\n<patatalessa> figlio chiama\n<patatalessa> grazie comunque nannes\n<patatalessa> ma ritornerò ad angoscxiarti\n<sergios> patatalessa abbi tanta pasienza e te ne sarà data altrettanta... qui c'è tanta brava gente disposta ad aiutarti!\n<nannes> :)\n<nannes> sergios: facci da promoter...\n<sergios> vado anche io... nannes grazie ancora per flash e attento ai barracuda volanti!\n<nannes> sergios: porta gente :P\n<nannes> okkk ciauu!!\n<sergios> si si... da una settimana sto cercando di sistemare un dual boot su un pc di una mia amica che sarà una nuova adepta... spero\n<nannes> cmq: io me li mangio i barracuda volanti\n<nannes> bravo :D\n<nannes> kiefer: ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/\n<sergios> sempre se riesco a risolvere sto problema mooolto strano \"error: unknown filesystem\" riga dopo \"grub rescue>\" e cursore lamp\n<nannes> sergios: probabilmente unknown filesystem è una partizione danneggiata\n<kiefer> nannes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1010254/\n<sergios> nannes, probabile, anche se ho più volte eliminato tutte le partizioni e rifatte da zero? forse un prob fisico in qualche cluster danneggiato dell'hd? quando installo windows tutto ok, è un errore che mi da appena finisco l'installazione di ubuntu e riavvio.\n<nannes> sergios: l'hai detto. fai un check disk\n<kiefer> sergios: prova to a scaricare nuovamente la distro?\n<nannes> kiefer: quindi l'hai installato da quel repo oppure no?\n<Steeler> sergios, sarà che win non si accorge degli errori e si fotte prima.\n<neramarea> 'sera. il notebook della mia ragazza con ubuntu 11.10 non vede le memory card inserite nello slot, il mio con la 12.04 sì. come risolvo?\n<kiefer> nannes: e quello che speravo di aver fatto ma probabilmente è un problema di chiavi? sinceramente non ne ho idea\n<nannes> kiefer: il pacchetto è installato. Il repo non c'è più. Quindi 1)l'hai installato da quel repo poi l'hai tolto tu 2)non l'hai installato da li\n<nannes> neramarea: accertati che non sia un problema hardware\n<neramarea> nannes e come?\n<nannes> neramarea: una live di precise è un'idea... oppure se lei ha pure win, è perfetto\n<kiefer> nannes: provo a reinstallare il riferimento ai repo. Grazie\n<neramarea> sì, ha anche windows, ma i file che vogliam gestire sono in ubuntu\n<nannes> neramarea: metti win e accertati che li il lettore di schede funzioni. A quel punto si potrà parlarne qui... se no si perde solo tempo\n<neramarea> ok\n<nannes> kiefer: ma ti serve una versione particolare? Perchè sembra che ci sia già nei repo default di ubuntu\n<kiefer> nannes: non mi serve la 6.4.2 per ubuntu 12.04\n<nannes> aaaaa\n<kiefer> nannes: con interfaccia grafica wxPython GUI\n<kiefer> nannes: ho sbagliatoa scrivere: Mi serve la 6.4.2 per ubuntu 12.04\n<nannes> kiefer: beh da questo pastebin sembra ci sia già http://paste.ubuntu.com/1010245/\n<sergios> nannes: già , check disk, proverò appena ho il pc sottomano; kiefer: non ci avevo pensato... anche se da live pare funzioni perfettamente!\n<sergios> intanto grazie a tutti, siete sempre molto gentili anche con le CAPRE CAPRE CAPRE come me (e patatalessa) :D\n<sergios> ciao a tutti!\n<kiefer> nannes: si ma non si vede la surce list\n<nannes> kiefer: per scoprire quel problema basta riprovare ad aggiungere il ppa\n<nannes> però kiefer secondo me è meglio compilare i sorgenti\n<nannes> dal sito ufficiale: «To get the latest version of GRASS on Ubuntu, compile the code from source. See the Compile and Install section for a shell script that makes this easy.» http://grass.osgeo.org/wiki/Compile_and_Install\n<kiefer> nannes: se provoa lanciarlo mi da questo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1010277/\n<nannes> kiefer: premi invio\n<kiefer> nannes: magari se sapevo compilare non venivo a stressarvi\n<nannes> kiefer: e dov'è tutta questa difficoltà \n<neramarea> nannes winsozz la vede\n<nannes> neramarea: lsusb\n<neramarea> spè che tornismo su ubuntu\n<nannes> anzi aspetta.... \"la vede\" vuol dire che hai provato a entrare, a scriverci un file?\n<nannes> fermo, rimani su win\n<nannes> e prova quello ^^\n<kiefer> nannes: fatto stavo infatti aggiornando\n<kiefer> dopo la riaggiunta dei ppa\n<neramarea> nannes sì\n<nannes> ok allora forza con ubuntu\n<neramarea> (dannazione a win e alla sua lentezza...)\n<kiefer> nannes: probabilmente ieri quandoho provato ad installarlo ho avutoproblemi di connessione. sembra che ora funzioni. Devo riavviare. Ciao e molte grazie\n<nannes> bene.. ciauu\n<naxil2> secondo voi questo errore perche? http://pastebin.com/mrHeGwmD non ho spazio nel hd?\n<neramarea_> nannes http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1010288/\n<nannes> neramarea_: lsmod | grep -i scsi && cat /proc/bus/usb/devices && sudo apt-get install sg3-utils\n<neramarea_> nessun result\n<nannes> O.O\n<neramarea_> ...eh eh... però ora la vede\n<neramarea_> grazie nannes\n<nannes> LOL\n<nannes> di niente..\n<neramarea_> bene. ora lascio la donna smanettare in pace. buona serata a tutti\n<nannes> cavolacci a volte confondo i comandi linux generali con ubuntu.... ma perchè non lasciano il mondo come lo trovano a canonical -.-\n<naxil2> ragazzi ma per aggiornare i mesa devo per forza compilarli vero?\n<nannes> naxil2: credo proprio di si. Nei repo sono versioni datate\n<naxil2> nannes.. ma scusa na cosa.. quale devo dare al make? lib-dri-32? quale ce ne sono almeno 30\n<naxil2> aspe te le faccio vedere su pastebin cosa dice il make\n<nannes> naxil2: un semplice \"Make\"\n<nannes> il makefile gestisce tutto da solo\n<naxil2> no\n<naxil2> mi dice quale ver mettere.. aspe\n<naxil2> no ver quale mesa fare..\n<naxil2> http://pastebin.com/3jeqMpnJ\n<naxil2> guarda qua http://pastebin.com/3jeqMpnJ\n<naxil2> ma poi scusa.. ci sono due tipo di open driver per ubuntu/linux? i mesa e i gli xf86-video-ati?\n<naxil2> anche facendo ./configure non trova la ver giusta.. va data la dipendenza al make..\n<naxil2> nannes?\n<neramarea> si può creare una rete locale tra due pc ubuntu? tipo il workgroup di win?\n<nannes> scusa ero afw\n<nannes> afk\n<naxil2> si\n<nannes> naxil2: da dove hai scaricato\n<naxil2> dal sito originale\n<nannes> dammi il link\n<naxil2> dove rilasciano il mesa\n<nannes> neramarea: certo\n<nannes> !condivisione | neramarea\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'condivisione'\n<nannes> -.-\n<naxil2> http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature\n<neramarea> nannes? ;-)\n<nannes> !samba | neramarea\n<ubot-it> neramarea: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Server/Samba\n<naxil2> nannes qui scusa http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/\n<nannes> hai preso gli 8.0.3 ?\n<Steeler> naxil2, a forza di dire MESA mi stai facendo pensare a questo http://www.mesaboogie.com/\n<nannes> Che ampli i mesa...\n<naxil2> si\n<naxil2> l'ho presi\n<naxil2> ma quando do make\n<nannes> naxil2: scusa che sistema hai 64 o 32\n<naxil2> mi chiede duemila cose.. cioe' devo dirgli quale mesa fare..\n<naxil2> 32\n<nannes> scegli i linux-x86 allora\n<naxil2> ma mi da un casino di errori\n<nannes> -.-\n<nannes> pastebin.\n<nannes> oppure prova anche linux-x86-32\n<naxil2> ascolta\n<naxil2> ma hai ragione te ubuntu installa i OpenGL version string: 1.5 Mesa 7.7.1\n<naxil2> quando invece ci sono gia gli 8.0.3\n<naxil2> nannes ma questi xserver-xorg-video-ati sono altri driver? diversi dai mesa.. o sono complementari?\n<neramarea> ho fatto una cazzata: volevo aggiungere il ppa di gnome shell testing, però ho cambiato idea, ma ora... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1010349/ e il gestore aggiornamenti da' lo stesso errore... come elimino il ppa?\n<nannes> naxil2: xorg e mesa son due cose diverseeee\n<naxil2> cioe? mi puoi spiegare in chat per favore mi interessa molto\n<nannes> i mesa sono un'mplementazione di opengl su linux (GPL)\n<nannes> (detto molto in modo spicciolo)\n<neramarea> risolto editando /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ricotz-testing-precise.list\n<naxil2> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<nannes> per vedere che cos'è X ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System (la pagina italiana fa schifo naxil2)\n<nannes> naxil2: per chiarire, possiamo vedere i mesa come delle semplici \"estensioni\" dell' X system\n<naxil2> ok\n<naxil2> per abilitare opengl eccetera oltre che alla \"grafica\" .. insomma mesa e' l'open accellerazione di x?\n<naxil2> mi so incartato..\n<naxil2> bgho non so come si fa apro un thread\n<nannes> è più generale: sono librerie grafiche e basta...\n<nannes> grazie alle quali puoi anche abilitare l'accekerazione 3d, si, però OpenGL sono solo librerie\n#ubuntu-it 2013-05-20\n<cri> buongiorno\n<akis24> giorno\n<glpiana> ola\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<Shin3> giorno\n<CostRick> Giorno :)\n<cedpreganziol> Buongiorno a tutti.\n<CostRick> ciao cedpreganziol\n<cedpreganziol> volevo segnalare un probabile errore\n<cedpreganziol> in http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/MD5Sum#Impronte_di_Ubuntu\n<enzotib> cedpreganziol, #ubuntu-it-doc\n<cedpreganziol> se scarico la versione 12.04 server, i386 l'hash calcolato risulta essere quello della AMD64\n<cedpreganziol> ok\n<cedpreganziol> saluti\n<CostRick> Raga... come si selezione le checkbox da terminale? ho provato con tutti i tasti...\n<CostRick> Guaardate: intendo queste: http://i43.tinypic.com/2ui8byd.png\n<enzotib> CostRick, TAB finché non la selezioni e poi Space\n<CostRick> Cazzo! Era banalissimo! ahahhaa ... grazie enzotib :)\n<enzotib> prego\n<CostRick> Uhm, come faccio ad individuare il drive dove è installato mbr? devo dare al terminale: sudo burg-install \"(hd0)\" ma non so con cosa sostituire hd0\n<CostRick> provo con hd0 dai... spero un bene\n<JohnnyP> ciao a tutti. ho un problema con ubuntu 13.04. ho installato ubuntu 12.10 su una partizione e senza disinstallare windows 7 dall'altra poco più di un mese fa senza problemi di nessun tipo. l'ho aggiornato alla versione 13.04 e dopo circa una settimana (oggi) mi è comparso questo messaggio all'accensione: the system is running in low graphics mode.\n<jester-> JohnnyP: problema di driver video pare\n<jester-> JohnnyP: comincia a dare sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade\n<JohnnyP> nella schermata nera che compare?\n<blabla_> !java\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Programmazione/Java\n<blabla_> GRANDE BOT!\n<jester-> JohnnyP: hai il prompt?\n<JohnnyP> su windows?\n<jester-> JohnnyP: parlo di ubuntu winz non centra\n<jester-> se il problema lo hai in winz non centra ubuntu\n<JohnnyP> quando mi esce il messaggio e do l'Ok, il mouse e la tastiera non mi funzionano più... e sono costretto a spegnere e riaccendere il pc\n<blabla_> jester-: ho bisogno di installare java... quale fra quelle del link devo mettere?\n<JohnnyP> ho visto su internet che se clicco ctrl+alt+f1 esce una specie di prompt. dopo aver fatto il login tramite il terminale, cosa devo fare?\n<jester-> JohnnyP: parti in ripristino, al menu attivi la rete poi vai in root e fai\n<jester-> blabla_: nessuno di quelli per le java oracle serve un ppa\n<blabla_> jester-: eh???\n<blabla_> jester-: spiegati meglio\n<jester-> blabla_: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/java\n<jester-> blabla_: sudo apt-get update\n<jester-> blabla_: sudo apt-get install oracle-java8-installer\n<blabla_> jester-: c'è altro da inserire?\n<jester-> no\n<blabla_> jester-: ok... puoi spiegarmi tecnicamente cosa mi hai fatto fare?\n<jester-> aggiungere un repo e installare le java non free\n<jester-> ci mette un po a scsaricare\n<hhhh> !java\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Programmazione/Java\n<rocco__> buongiorno\n<rocco__> ok, mi voglio far prendere da imbranato, vorrei cambiare lo sfondo delle finestre e dell start, dove ci sono le varie applicazioni, vorrei togliere il colore bianco, ma non so come fare, son riuscito a cambiare i bordi, qualche aiutino dove devo andare? (non in quel senso)\n<rocco__> grazier\n<rocco__> cascato\n<hhhh> rocco__: non c'è nessuno ora\n<akhilleus> ciao a tutti\n<a12g10> ce nesSSUUNOO\n<cristian_c> lol\n<cris76> ciao\n<cris76> a chi posso domandare per installare ubuntu?\n<TaLaDo> !installazione\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<us3r-> come faccio a modificare la risoluzione del display?\n<us3r-> nel netbook, dovrebbe essere 1024x600 ma è 1280x720\n<us3r-> così non vedo la parte sotto\n<us3r-> ma se metto 1024x600 non si vede + niente\n<us3r-> il display è 10.2 pollici\n<us3r-> vga compatible controller via technologies cx700/vx700 s3 unichrome pro (rev 03)\n<us3r-> kernel boot options èa default\n<us3r-> quiet splash --\n<klod> ho un problema con il puntatore mouse, praticamente quando clicco qualsiasi cosa il puntatore sparisce. cosa posso fare?\n<us3r-> che mouse è?\n<us3r-> se è sotto i 10 euro buttalo\n<us3r-> sotto i 6 anzi\n<klod> non lo so mi è stato regalato.. provo con un altro mouse?\n<us3r-> sìsì\n<us3r-> ma me quella cosa nn lo faceva neanche con un mouse cinese da 6 euro\n<glpiana> il mouse in sè no cìentrerà nulla.\n<glpiana> klod, che cosa usi? gnome, unity, kde, xfce?\n<glpiana> altro?\n<us3r-> mancano i driver forse\n<us3r-> a me su lubuntu non funziona il tasto destro del mouse\n<us3r-> lo scroller\n<us3r-> a spingere lo scroller\n<us3r-> che è anche un tasto\n<klod> me lo fa ugualmente\n<klod> io credo che sia un problema di driver\n<us3r-> io uso lxde\n<glpiana> klod, poi quando hai tempo rispondimi\n<us3r-> klod, che cosa usi? gnome, unity, kde, xfce?\n<klod> non so cosa siano\n<glpiana> klod, cosa hai installato? ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu?\n<us3r-> su linux o si è esperti o meglio usare solo windows\n<klod> ah ubuntu\n<glpiana> e qui una volta era tutta campagna\n<glpiana> klod, che scheda video hai?\n<klod> ati radeon hd 5450\n<Kalce> salve a tutti\n<Kalce> tutti*\n<glpiana> klod, dopo aver installato ubuntu hai messo i driver proprietari per la scheda video?\n<klod> si, ieri sera però non mi dava problemi oggi ho acceso e mi ha dato questo problema\n<glpiana> klod, oki, come li hai installati?\n<Kalce> ho appena installato la 13.04 e l' ho installata in maniera che all' avvio mi chiede la password per sbloccare il disco. Come posso fare per non farmi chiedere più quella password e andare direttamente alla password dell' utente?\n<us3r-> glpiana esistono driver per ubuntu di via technologies cx700/vx700 s3 unichrome pro (rev 03) ?\n<klod> sono andato su driver aggiuntivi e ho visto che il driver della scheda grafica non era installato e l'ho installato da li\n<glpiana> us3r-, prova a vedere qui http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Cestino/HardwareVideoViaChrome9Unichrome\n<glpiana> klod, oki, allora rifai la stessa cosa, ma stavolta disinstalla il driver\n<glpiana> klod, poi riavvia il pc e vediamo come si comporta\n<klod> ok va bene provo grazie mille\n<glpiana> Kalce, puoi spiegarmi cos'è sta roba della password del disco?\n<us3r-> forse intendi l'accesso a un disco dopo il login\n<us3r-> xkè prima del login non l'ho mai sentito\n<Kalce> glpiana , tutte le volte che accendo il pc mi chiede una pssword per sbloccare il disco\n<rocco__> buon pomeriggio, qualcuno mi può darmi un guida come cambiare lo sfondo del solito bianco??\n<glpiana> Kalce, hai criptato il disco?\n<rocco__> dal*\n<Kalce> glpiana , mi sà di si....\n<glpiana> rocco__, sfondo di cosa?\n<rocco__> sono riuscito a cambiare i bordi\n<rocco__> non so come si chiamano\n<rocco__> per esempio lo sfondo dello start dove ci sono applicazioni\n<glpiana> rocco__, di che interfaccia grafica parliamo?\n<rocco__> ultimo kubuntu\n<Kalce> glpiana , infatti parla di unlocking disk e di cryptsetup\n<rocco__> ubuntu così con quel desktop non mi piace più, non mi dite che si può mettere anche il classico, perchè non sono riuscito a trovare\n<glpiana> Kalce, non so aiutarti\n<Guest81156> ciao a tutti, quando provo ad aggiornare ubuntu 12.04 a 12.10 (per poi passare a 13.04) mi visualizza il seguente messaggio. \"à possibile che il proprio hardware non sia completamente supportato in Ubuntu 12.10.\n<Guest81156> L'esecuzione dell'ambiente desktop «unity» non è completamente supportata dal proprio hardware. Dopo l'aggiornamento ci si troverà in un ambiente molto rallentato. Si consiglia di mantenere la versione LTS per il momento. Per ulteriori informazioni consultare la pagina https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/UpdateManagerWarningForUnity3D. Continuare comunque con l'aggiornamento?\" Cosa posso fare? Ho una scheda video sis 771\n<glpiana> rocco__, per mettere gnome classico installa il pacchetto gnome-classic-fallback e poi scegli gnome classic come sessione quando fai il login\n<Kalce> glpiana , grazie comunque.\n<Kalce> ciao a tutti\n<glpiana> rocco__, per lo sfondo dei menu non so driti, penso tu debba usare ubuntu tweaks o come si chiama per cambiare tema. oppure my-unity, se c'è ancora\n<glpiana> Guest81156, usi unity normalmente?\n<rocco__> grazie glpiana ho trovato, sorry per la mia imbranatezza.....................\n<glpiana> :)\n<Guest81156> glpiana uso unity 2d :D\n<glpiana> Guest81156, ecco, il problema è che da 12.10 in poi non c'è più unity 2d\n<Guest81156> glpiana quindi per me l'ultima versione è la 12.04? non potrò più avanzare?\n<glpiana> Guest81156, io ti consiglio di scaricarti la iso, metterla su dvd o chiavetta, e provarla, per capire in che condizioni ti troveresti dopo l'upgrade\n<glpiana> Guest81156, comunque unity non è l'unica interfaccia disponibile\n<Guest81156> glpiana intendi kde o gnome classico o xlde?\n<glpiana> sì\n<us3r-> glpiana non va bene quella guida, è per ubuntu vecchio\n<us3r-> io ho lubuntu 13.04\n<glpiana> us3r-, temo non ci sia altro per le unichrmoe\n<us3r-> e che faccio?\n<rocco__> un altra informazione se è possibile, da stamattina già 2 volte che il mio pc va in blocco e devo spengerlo, la stranezza da quando uso i vari linux non mi è mai capitato, qualcuno sa dirmi da che cosa può dipendere?\n<glpiana> us3r-, con che altre release andava bene?\n<us3r-> mint 14 ma usava lo stesso driver generico\n<us3r-> altre uguale\n<glpiana> us3r-, che kernel usavano le release funzionanti?\n<us3r-> l'ultimo\n<us3r-> anche lubuntu 10.4 andava bene\n<us3r-> ma sempre con driver generico\n<rocco__> quando va in blocco cosa può dipendere? dalla ram??\n<glpiana> us3r-, che kernel usavano le release funzionanti? o fino a che versione di ubuntu non avevi problemi\n<glpiana> rocco__, ram o scheda video di solito\n<us3r-> io c'ho messo solo quest'ultima e la 10.4\n<rocco__> strano\n<glpiana> rocco__, per la ram, puoi fare il test della ram all'vvio del pc\n<us3r-> ho la 13.4 aggiornata\n<rocco__> ho 2 gb\n<rocco__> di ram\n<rocco__> con quale programma?\n<glpiana> rocco__, per \"ram\" intendo un banco rovinato, non \"poca ram\"\n<us3r-> non ho mai messo i driver giusti per la scheda video\n<glpiana> rocco__, se all'avvio del pc visualizzi il menu di grub trovi la voce relativa al ram test. se non visualizzi il menu di grub, appena accendi il pc premi e tieni premuto il tasto shift\n<us3r-> xkè lo devo trovare prima.\n<rocco__> mnon avevo nessun problema con altri systemi, addirittura ho win 8 e devo essere sincero e molto più veloce di kubuntu, con kubuntu vedo un leggero rallentamento nell' apertura delle finestre\n<glpiana> us3r-, la unichrome o va col driver presente nel kernel o c'è poco da fare. se sai dirmi una versione di kernel non troppo vecchia con cui andava bene vediamo di cercarne i pacchetti\n<us3r-> va nel senso che si vede lo schermo\n<us3r-> xkè già è tanto che si vede\n<rocco__> ok vaado, provo e ritorno\n<us3r-> con certe versioni di ubuntu quando andava al desktop nn si vedeva niente\n<simone83> buon giorno\n<simone83> vengo da windows ed usavo cubase con vst tipo guitar rig e amplitube, ora sto scaricando ubuntu studio ma vorrei fare le stesse cose. So che cubase non funziona con ubuntu ma c'è un programma professionale che mi permette di fare le stesse cose tipo registrazioni multitraccia e usare simulatori di ampli????\n<simone83> risposta possibilmente in giornata\n<glpiana> <simone83> risposta possibilmente in giornata\n<simone83> qualcuno sa rispondermi??\n<us3r-> mettere linux in un netbook come questo devo evobook ten è un casino\n<us3r-> mancano quasi tutti i driver\n<simone83> us3r hai risposto a me?\n<us3r-> no\n<glpiana> simone83, http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Programmi#Multimedia\n<glpiana> simone83, vedi se qualcuno dei programmi elencati fa al caso tuo\n<simone83> grazie, sembrerebbe protools, ma come faccio a scaricarlo?\n<glpiana> simone83, no, non ci siamo. nella colonna di sinistra ci sono i software windows ed apple. a destra invece i corrispettivi(più o meno) per linux\n<glpiana> simone83, nel caso specifico, ardour: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Multimedia/Audio/Ardour http://ardour.org/\n<simone83> allora, vedo che cubase funzionerebbe anche con ubuntu. ma io ho il formato .exe per windows. come faccio se vorrei scaricarlo per ubuntu??\n<glpiana> \"volessi\"\n<glpiana> simone83, dove hai visto che cubase va su linux?\n<simone83> come si fa per scaricarlo per ubuntu?\n<glpiana> simone83, dove hai visto che cubase va su linux?\n<simone83> ho trovato la scritta cubase e a sinistra mi indica l'icona di ubuntu\n<simone83> scusa ho capito\n<glpiana> simone83, di fianco a cubase ci sono la bandierina di windows e la mela di apple\n<simone83> a sinistra ci sono programmi similari per ubuntu\n<rocco__> stavo riflettendo il mio pc e un amd, per caso dovero scaricare la versione di kubuntu 64bit??\n<glpiana> rocco__, puoi farlo tranquillamente se il prcessore è a 64 bit\n<rocco__> glpiana è troppo lunga il test della memoria farò in seguito\n<simone83> se volessi scaricare rosegarden come si fa?\n<ale__> salve a tutti\n<rocco__> cioè non cambia nulla se ho installato la versione 64bit?\n<ale__> sono novello di ubuntu. mi aiutate ad installare silverlight per ubuntu?\n<glpiana> simone83, http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Multimedia/Audio/Rosegarden\n<glpiana> ale__, non esiste silverlight per ubuntu\n<simone83> glpiana grazie tanto e spero di farcela da solo. ti devo un caffè virtuale\n<glpiana> :)\n<ale__> sucsate mi ero disconnesso. allora mi aiutate ad installare silverlight?\n<glpiana> ale__, non esiste silverlight per ubuntu\n<ale__> moonlight allora\n<us3r-> sì\n<glpiana> ale__, http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/ e clicca install... sempre che funzioni\n<us3r-> moonlight per firefox\n<us3r-> e poi metti lo script smooth\n<us3r-> smooth moonlight\n<us3r-> mi sembra per grease monkey\n<us3r-> che è un'estensione per firefox\n<us3r-> rai smooth\n<rocco__> per me non funziona, se avevo eseguito bene la guida non funziona\n<us3r-> Rai Smooth Streaming Player (raismth)\n<us3r-> per moonlight\n<ale__> in effetti non funzione moonlight\n<us3r-> poi dovrai installare anche mplayer\n<rocco__> cè qualcosa che non va le finestre quando le apro rallentano, non riesco a capire\n<rocco__> invece di andare avanti se ritorna indietro\n<us3r-> e un altro coso che richiede per l'audio\n<us3r-> te lo dice\n<rocco__> vuol dire che kubuntu sta diventando pesante per il mio vecchio pc?\n<ale__> se non funziona moonlight come faccio a vedere mediaset play?\n<rocco__> ale_ t' installi windows\n<glpiana> rocco__, prova a installare il pacchetto: kubuntu-low-fat-settings\n<ale__> gran bella risposta rocco\n<us3r-> io ho messo lubuntu xkè ho un pc lento\n<rocco__> :-)\n<glpiana> ale__, temo non ci sia modo\n<ale__> che fregatura\n<rocco__> glpiana dal center?\n<glpiana> rocco__, sì, e se non lo trovi facciamo da terminale, che facciamo prima\n<rocco__> nulla provo da terminale\n<glpiana> rocco__, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-low-fat-settings\n<rocco__> installato\n<rocco__> che cosa serviva?\n<rocco__> us3r che cosa cambia con lubuntu??\n<glpiana> rocco__, ti abbassa i settaggi video, in pratica imposta kde per consumare meno risorse\n<rocco__> faa in automatico?\n<us3r-> è + leggero\n<us3r-> ha lxde invece di kde\n<us3r-> come ambiente\n<rocco__> ma a livello grafico e come il desktop di kubuntu?\n<us3r-> sì dipende dai gusti\n<us3r-> è un po' + brutto ma x me no\n<us3r-> a me piace + di kubuntu\n<glpiana> rocco__, no, lxde è molto più semplice di kde\n<us3r-> poi però dovrai evitare programmi di kde come k3b, kvirc,\n<rocco__> mi piace l' ambiente desktop di kubuntu\n<us3r-> e metterne altri di lxde o xfce o gnome\n<us3r-> anche krusader dovrai evitare\n<us3r-> e tutti i programmi kde\n<rocco__> ha ecco\n<rocco__> qualcuno sa spegarmi perchè su un pc vecchio come il mio win 8 gira veloce? che cosa ha che kubuntu non ha??\n<glpiana> rocco__, non è il canale adatto\n<glpiana> !chat | rocco__\n<ubot-it> rocco__: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<remix_tj> vecchio?\n<remix_tj> cosa vuol dire vecchio?\n<rocco__> il mio e un vecchio amd 3000 con 2500 gb di ram\n<us3r-> rocco__ xkè win 8 è fatto bene\n<rocco__> non parlo di grafica ma di velocità , si accende molto di pù di kubuntu\n<rocco__> sorry\n<rocco__> ho letto adesso\n<us3r-> dopo aver fatto windows 7 hanno visto che potevano renderlo + leggero\n<akis24> ciao\n<glpiana> !chat | us3r-\n<ubot-it> us3r-: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<us3r-> ma forse lubuntu è ancora + leggero\n<rocco__> comunque glpiana ritornando al discorso di prima ho installato quello che mi hai suggerito, e non devo far nient' altro?\n<glpiana> rocco__, riavvia, così ricarica le impostazioni. e poi vedi se si comporta meglio\n<rocco__> ok provo.\n<us3r-> come faccio per far funzionare il tasto centrale del mouse?\n<glpiana> us3r-, dovrebbe funzionare di default. tu cosa ti aspetti che faccia?\n<us3r-> doppio clic\n<us3r-> ma invece non fa neanche quello che fa tasto sinistro\n<glpiana> us3r-, no, di default il tasto centrale simula la pressione simultanea di destro e sinistro. il comportamento di default e di copiare il testo selezionato precedentemente\n<us3r-> e come lo incolli poi?\n<us3r-> sapevo 'sta cosa ma nn la ricordo +\n<us3r-> io sapevo che il tasto destro serviva a incollare il testo selezionato prima\n<us3r-> mi sbaglio?\n<glpiana> us3r-, intendo che cliccandolo 'incolla'\n<glpiana> il tasto destro serve a mostrare menu contestuali\n<us3r-> ma non lo fa\n<us3r-> c'ho provato, dopo riprovo\n<us3r-> che ora sto su windows 7\n<us3r-> io sapevo che il tasto centrale* serviva a incollare il testo selezionato prima\n<glpiana> us3r-, è quello che ho scritto\n<superrobyy> raga non riesco a reindirizzare le richieste di un ip su un'altro ip usando iptables\n<defaultuser> ciao a tutti\n<defaultuser> nessuno?\n<akis24> ciao defaultuser\n<defaultuser> ciao akis\n<akis24> !aiuto\n<ubot-it> per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<defaultuser> di cosa si parla qui?\n<akis24> supporto ufficiale ubuntu\n<defaultuser> @akis24 di cosa si parla qui sn nuovo\n<akis24> defaultuser: leggi il topic ...\n<defaultuser> ok scusa...solo supporto per ubuntu\n<akis24> il resto degli argomenti su #ubuntu-it-chat\n<defaultuser> grazie mille\n<micheg> eh be pensa anche io dal nome ero rimasto confuso pensavo si parlasse di barbie\n<akis24> di nulla\n<defaultuser> hahaha simpatico\n<dd_> Ragazzi , mi serve un aiutone stra urgentemente...premetto che io di computer non ci capisco una mazza..un mio amico mi ha installato lúltima versione di ubuntu ( prima avevo la vecchia ) , ed ora non riesco a fare partire internet .. cioé , mi detecta le reti , e si connette anche alla rete di casa mia , ma poi quando apro internet mi dice che é impossibile visualizzare la pagina..dal mio linguaggio avrete capito che sono un profa\n<akis24> dd_: avrai configurato la connessione ?\n<dd_> in che senso ?\n<dd_> ripeto , io putroppo sono un profano , ha fatto tutto il mio amico...la prima sera andava..\n<dd_> la seconda l ho acceso e non mi detettava nemmeno le reti\n<dd_> poi mi ha fatto scrivere qualcosa nel terminale e mi ha detettato tutte le reti\n<dd_> credevo fosse risolto , ma poi ho cliccato su internet e non me lo apre...\n<akis24> dd_: tipo inserire i parametri username e password\n<akis24> dd_: dall'icona network-manager credo sia in alto a sinistra dove appare l'icona della rete\n<rorro007> ciao mi sonp messo a giocare con compiz maneger ed è sparito tutto\n<rorro007> come faccio a rimetterlo come era prima\n<akis24> dd_: a destra pardon credo..\n<dd_> certo..la rete é connessa...\n<dd_> mi dice che la connessione con la mia rete é stabilita\n<dd_> ma , nonostante ció , non mi funziona internet\n<cristian_c> rorro007, spiega cos'hai fatto?\n<cristian_c> *senza ?\n<akis24> dd_: da terminale dai ping www.ubuntu.it\n<akis24> ciao cristian_c\n<dd_> cosa akis , scusa ? non ho capito...ti ho detto che sono un profano :D vado sul terminale , ok ...e poi ?\n<akis24> dd_: scrivi ping www.ubuntu.it e vedi se risponde\n<akis24> dd_: !paste\n<akis24> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<dd_> akis , che scrivo sul terminale ? ping o !paste ?\n<akis24> dd_: ping www.ubuntu.it\n<dd_> ma perché continui a cliccarmi quel sito di ubuntu ? :D\n<akis24> dd_: sul terminale dovrebbe apparire se si connette con il sito .. mica faccio pubblicita'\n<akis24> dd_: altrimenti richiama l'amico..\n<dd_> no , allora dunque ci sto capendo poco\n<dd_> io ho scritto ping sul terminale\n<dd_> poi mi esce un altra serie di scritte a me incomprensibile\n<dd_> e mi chiede di scrivere ancora qualcosa...\n<dd_> io sono a Lisbona , il mio amico era qua a farmi visita , ma ora é giá tornato in italia , per questo sono in crisi...\n<akis24> dd_: ping www.ubuntu.it fai copia e incollalo sul terminale\n<akis24> dd_: quello che ti risponde il terminale invece lo copi e incolli qui ..\n<akis24> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<dd_> ma che cazzo akis , non capisco :D scrivo ping www.ubuntu.it sul terminale ?? :D\n<akis24> si esattooooo\n<dd_> eh ma io sto lavorando da 2 pc diversi...\n<dd_> peró te lo posso copiare , aspetta\n<akis24> dd_: mica è colpa mia\n<dd_> lo so ahahaha\n<dd_> ok , aspetta\n<dd_> scrivo ping www.ubuntu.it sul terminale\n<akis24> si esatto\n<dd_> e il terminale mi scrive\n<dd_> ping : unknown host www.ubuntu.it\n<dd_> e mi richiede di scrivere un altra informazione...\n<akis24> dd_: bene non si connette a nulla infatti\n<akis24> anzi male..\n<dd_> :(\n<dd_> :(\n<akis24> dd_: sai usare network manager ovvero cliccarci sopra aprirlo ?\n<dd_> no...\n<akis24> dd_: ohi ohi nno so' come farti proseguire ..\n<akis24> dd_: mai usato ubuntu ?\n<dd_> va bene , grazie lo stesso...\n<akis24> prego\n<cristian_c> dd_ qual'è il problema?\n<cristian_c> *qual è\n<dd_> ti faccio copia incolla , aspetta\n<cristian_c> dd_, fammi un riassunto\n<dd_> Ragazzi , mi serve un aiutone stra urgentemente...premetto che io di computer non ci capisco una mazza..un mio amico mi ha installato lúltima versione di ubuntu ( prima avevo la vecchia ) , ed ora non riesco a fare partire internet .. cioé , mi detecta le reti , e si connette anche alla rete di casa mia , ma poi quando apro internet mi dice che é impossibile visualizzare la pagina..dal mio linguaggio avrete capito che sono un profa\n<akis24> [19:41:12] <dd_> ping : unknown host www.ubuntu.it\n<cristian_c> akis24, il router pinga?\n<akis24> cristian_c: no non riesce\n<cristian_c> akis24, anche lì unknown host?\n<akis24> cristian_c: si si da lui\n<cristian_c> akis24, non ho capito\n<akis24> non riesce a navigare\n<cristian_c> akis24, io parlavo del ping\n<akis24> cristian_c: non pinga come hai letto sopra\n<akis24> [19:41:12] <dd_> ping : unknown host www.ubuntu.it\n<akis24> e ora sotto :)\n<cristian_c> akis24, parlo del router, non di www.ubuntu.com\n<cristian_c> XD\n<dd_> state parlando con me o tra di voi ? devo fare qualcosa ?\n<cristian_c> dd_, stiamo cercando di risolver eil problema\n<dd_> ok , devo fare qualcosa ?\n<akis24> cristian_c: non riesce a pingare\n<cristian_c> akis24, sì, ma dipende cosa\n<cristian_c> dd_, sì, pinga il router\n<cristian_c> dd_, qual'è l'indirizzo locale del tuo router?\n<dd_> ehm , cristian... io non ci capisco niente di ste cose.,.devi guidarmi passo passo :D\n<cristian_c> dd_, qual'è l'indirizzo locale del tuo router?\n<dd_> non ne ho idea !\n<akis24> buona serata a tutti\n<cristian_c> dd_, come accedi alla pagina web del router\n<cristian_c> ?\n<cristian_c> dd_, che operatore telefonico hai?\n<dd_> non ho telefono fisso , vivo a Lisbona...\n<cristian_c> dd_, e come ti connetti?\n<cristian_c> adsl?\n<cristian_c> dd_, posta: route -n\n<cristian_c> dd_, fatto?\n<dd_> risolto , ragazzi :)\n<dd_> ho chiesti aiuto su un forum e mi hanno aiutato :)\n<dd_> grazie mille ad entrambi !\n<cristian_c> dd_ lol\n<cristian_c> dd_, come hai risolto?\n<cristian_c> lol\n<davide_> ciao, ho comprato di recente una stampante epson xp-202, ho installato i driver per ubuntu, il pc vede la stampante, infatti appare nella lista delle stampanti da scegliere per la stampa. però poi non stampa nulla. qualcuno può aiutarmi?\n<cristian_c> davide_, come li hai installati?\n<davide_> ho scricato i driver dal sito della epson\n<davide_> cristian_c: sono pacchetti .debc\n<davide_> .deb\n<cristian_c> davide_, non era riconosciuta prima?\n<cristian_c> senza installare nulla\n<akhilleus> ciao cristian_c\n<cristian_c> akhilleus, ciao\n<akhilleus> :) ti avevo salutato amico =)))\n<davide_> cristian_c:no non la vedeva\n<cristian_c> davide_, posta qualche log di cups\n<cristian_c> akhilleus, anch'io ti ho salutato :D\n<akhilleus> cerco programmi potentissimi XD\n<cristian_c> akhilleus, ?\n<davide_> cristian_c: mi dici il comando pleace?\n<akhilleus> tipo che riesco a creare foto di donne bellissime ihihihih\n<cristian_c> davide_, non c'è un comando, vai in /var/log/cups/\n<cristian_c> !chat | akhilleus\n<ubot-it> akhilleus: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<akhilleus> scusa ubot-it\n<cristian_c> lol\n<akhilleus> XD\n<uait> ciao a tutti\n<uait> scusate, vorrei delle info su inadyn\n<uait> come faccio a installarlo?\n<cristian_c> !info inadyn\n<ubot-it> inadyn (source: inadyn): client to alleviate the requirements for an Internet name. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.96.2-1 (raring), package size 24 kB, installed size 96 kB\n<uait> cioè, a quanto ho capito sta su /bin, ma /bin dove sta?\n<cristian_c> uait, sudo apt-get install inadyn\n<cristian_c> uait, lol, ma perché ti interessa dove sta?\n<cristian_c> XD\n<uait> allora\n<uait> ho aperto software center\n<uait> ho preso inadyn e lo ho scaricato\n<uait> ora?\n<cristian_c> uait, installato, vorrai dire\n<uait> si\n<cristian_c> XD\n<cristian_c> uait, se non c'è nel menù, apri un terminale e lancialo\n<uait> come si fa?\n<uait> allora?\n<cristian_c> uait, che cosa?\n<uait> se scsrivo inadyn da errori\n<cristian_c> uait, che errori?\n<davide_> cristian_c: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5684854/\n<uait> ti scrivo in query il messaggio x non intasare\n<cristian_c> uait, magari devi leggere il man su come usarlo\n<uait> asp\n<davide_> cristian_c: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5684857/\n<cristian_c> mi devo assentare\n<cristian_c> davide_ ho aperto i link intanto\n<cristian_c> Unknown directive SystemGroup on line 16 of /etc/cups/cupsd.conf.\n<cristian_c> failed to CreateProfile: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply:Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.\n<davide_> cristian_c: ti danno errore i link?\n<cristian_c> no\n<cristian_c> è che mi devo assentare\n<davide_> intanto ti posto l'ultimo log\n<davide_> cristian_c: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5684866/\n<davide_> grazie dell'aiuto ciao ragazzi\n<uait> qualcuno che si intende di gimp mi sa dire xke non trovo il filtro porta in rilievo?\n<prato> ciao a tutti\n<us3r-> sul grub 2 se premo una volta con la freccia giu' non fa niente, se premo 2 volta veloce con la freccia giu' va a 2 linee giu\n<us3r-> che devo fare?\n<us3r-> se premo 2 volte*\n<krabador> us3r-, hai la tastiera rotta.\n<us3r-> no\n<us3r-> su altri programmi va bene\n<krabador> se premi una volta e tieni premuto?\n<us3r-> resta fermo\n<krabador> se premi una volta e poi invio , manda l'equivalente della linea di sotto?\n<us3r-> questo lo devo provare\n<cristian_c> lol\n<us3r-> hai ragione\n<us3r-> se premo freccia sotto e poi invio prende quello sotto\n<us3r-> ma che devo fare?\n<us3r-> se tengo premuto va velocemnte da quella direzione\n<us3r-> fino alla fine\n<krabador> sembra un problema di visualizzazione\n<krabador> anche se nella media i problemi di tastiera in grub sono sempre di tipo hardware\n<us3r-> e il mio invece di che tipo è?\n<us3r-> forse cambiando la risoluzione risolvo\n<us3r-> ma come si cambia?\n<krabador> se è un fisso, resetta il bios, ri configuralo, e vedi che succede\n<us3r-> è un netbook\n<cristian_c> lol\n<us3r-> che ridi?\n<us3r-> cmq non è un gran problema\n<us3r-> se devo usare l'opzione sotto basta che premo invio\n<us3r-> freccia sotto e poi invio\n<us3r-> anche se non vedo che lo seleziona\n<krabador> vai in live, riconfiguralo e vedi che succede.\n<us3r-> e come lo riconfiguro?\n<us3r-> quand'è così meglio lasciare stare\n<us3r-> che dopo può incasinarsi\n<krabador> us3r-, http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<us3r-> sai come cambiare la risoluzione del desktop da liveusb?\n<us3r-> su lubuntu\n<us3r-> xkè quando cambio poi non riconosce che non vedo + niente\n<us3r-> e devo cambiarla\n<us3r-> ci sarà un file\n<us3r-> dove tiene scritto che risoluzione è scelta\n<cristian_c> us3r-, è facile, c'è lxrandr\n<cristian_c> !kappa | us3r-\n<ubot-it> us3r-: www.nokappa.it\n<us3r-> e che devo fa' con questo lxrandr ?\n<cristian_c> us3r-, cambi la risoluzione del monitor\n<us3r-> è proprio quello che dicevo\n<us3r-> usando lxrandr\n<us3r-> se la risoluzione è sbagliata poi riporta a quella di prima?\n<us3r-> io mi ricordo su live usb di mint 12 lxde, l'ultima con lxde che usando quel lxrandr non riportava alla risoluzione di prima\n<cristian_c> us3r-, ma almeno hai provato?\n<us3r-> no, su lubuntu 13.04 che ho installato no perchè ho paura\n<cristian_c> che poi non ho capito il senso di 'prima'\n<us3r-> se poi rimane la risoluzione sbagliata non so come rimetterlo a posto\n<us3r-> non cambiava alla risoluzione precedente\n<us3r-> che c'era prima.\n<us3r-> io non ci vedevo piu' niente sul display, non potevo impostarla io\n<cristian_c> us3r-, ma è una cosa strana\n<cristian_c> mai sentito prima di questo problema\n<us3r-> provando da liveusb se metto 1024x600 si incasina\n<us3r-> ma xkè? in win xp va bene 1024x600 è la sua risoluzione\n<us3r-> è un display 10.2\"\n<cristian_c> us3r-, netbook\n<cristian_c> ?\n<cristian_c> ok\n<us3r-> sì\n<us3r-> allora su linux mette 1280x720\n<us3r-> e ho dovuto con difficoltà spostare la barra da sotto a sopra\n<us3r-> c'è una parte sotto e una a destra che non posso usare.\n<cristian_c> us3r-, guarda che c'è la sessione apposita per netbook\n<cristian_c> dalla schermata di login\n<us3r-> sarà un problema di driver, non trovo driver per via technologies cx700/vx700 s3 unichrome pro (rev 03)\n<us3r-> dov'è questa sezione?\n<us3r-> ah io non ho il login\n<us3r-> quando l'ho installato ho usato l'opzione login automatico\n<cristian_c> us3r-, ahhhhh, scheda sfigata\n<cristian_c> us3r-, guarda che basta fare clic su Logout :P\n<us3r-> netbook economico\n<cristian_c> lol\n<us3r-> e da lì che faccio?\n<cristian_c> us3r-, c'è il menù per la scelta della sessione\n<cristian_c> ho controllato personalmente per lubuntu\n<cristian_c> ha anche una sessione per netbook\n<us3r-> dici?\n<us3r-> ora provo\n<cristian_c> certo\n<max_> scusate il disturbo posso chiedere se c'è qualcuno k potrebbe darmi una mano? ho istallat ubuntu 13 04 ma nn m funziona l audio le ho provate tutte ma nada c'è ki potrebbe darmi una mano?\n<cristian_c> max_, che pc è?\n<cristian_c> !kappa | max_\n<ubot-it> max_: www.nokappa.it\n<krabador> max_, hai dato da terminale sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?\n<max_> un hp p7 1000it\n<cristian_c> max_, prima di tutto, apri alsamixer\n<max_> ne ho date diverse ora provo cn questa k m hai dato cmq l audio arriva xkè dal volume i segnalatori si spostan ma poi nada\n<cristian_c> max_, la lingua del chan è l'italiano\n<cristian_c> !image | max_\n<ubot-it> max_: Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<cristian_c> max_, magari posta uno screenshot\n<max_> d alsamixer dev postare l immagine?\n<max_> scusate x l ignoranza sn alle prime armi cn ubuntu\n<krabador> ubuntu 13.04 ha avuto in uscita diversi problemi legati a bug di alsa, e supporto a driver proprietari, max_ , stai usando il sistema aggiornato?\n<max_> si aggiornat poco fa\n<krabador> hai riavviato?\n<mibofra> max_, kernel?\n<max_> ma neanche cn 12 04 nn funzionava l audio\n<mibofra> oppure è alsa settato male\n<mibofra> max_, potresti provare a ricompilare alsa\n<mibofra> max_, se domani un po prima passi ti posso aiutare io step to step :)\n<max_> ripasso quì? a k ora se c 6?\n<cristian_c> max_, se posti un'immagine di alsamixer, magari si capisce meglio\n<krabador> le release del kernel dal 3.8.9 in poi hanno fixato parecchi problemi del supporto audio\n<max_> cm faccio a postarti l immagine d aslamixer?\n<krabador> !image | max_\n<ubot-it> max_: Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<krabador> max_, precedentemente hai usato soltanto la 12.04?\n<max_> x prendere l immagine dev usare qualk programma?\n<krabador> max_, che os stai usando adesso?\n<cristian_c> max_, tasto stamp\n<max_> ubuntu\n<max_> 13 04\n<cristian_c> max_, ma ripeto, scrivi in modo comprensibile\n<krabador> allora stamp, salvi e fai l'upload sui siti indicatiti\n<max_> ora sono su ubuntu\n<us3r-> su lubuntu come si cambia la risoluzione da terminale ??\n<mibofra> max_, verso le 9 per dire\n<mibofra> anche se sono qui quasi h24 :D\n<mibofra> XD\n<us3r-> il display è incasinato con un'altra risoluzione e posso solo fare ctrl+alt+f2 per entrare nel tty\n<max_> come faccio a stampare da dove?\n<us3r-> devo cambiarlo da 1024x600 a 1280x720\n<krabador> max_, devi premere il tasto stamp del pc\n<us3r-> anche riavviando resta incasinato\n<max_> scusami l ignoranza quale sarebbe dv si trova?\n<krabador> max_, è un netbook, vero?\n<max_> un fisso\n<krabador> max_, allora, nella zona dei tasti direzionali, le freccette\n<krabador> sopra\n<max_> a ok cred d aver capito\n<krabador> altrimenti \"cattura schermata\" dalla dash di unity\n<max_> http://imagebin.org/258375\n<max_> si vede così?\n<cristian_c> guardo\n<krabador> si, alsa apparentemente sta funzionando, e tutto al massimo\n<max_> quindi cs dovrei fare?\n<cristian_c> max_, è un all-in-one?\n<mibofra_tablet> max_ : domani :)) ?\n<cristian_c> ah, no\n<max_> è stran xkè al programma del settaggio volume l audio arriva ma poi nada\n<cristian_c> max_, sto cercando\n<max_> cristian scusa k intendi ?\n<ANGELO___> CIAO RAGAZZI VORREI CEHIDERVI UNA INFO.... HO FATO UN CASINO CON BOOTLOADER E VECCEHI VERSIONI DI UBUNTU....\n<max_> <cristian_c> max_, è un all-in-one?\n<cristian_c> max_ pensavo fosse un pc all-in-one, invece è soltanto un desktop\n<cristian_c> classico\n<cristian_c> !maiuscolo | ANGELO___\n<ubot-it> ANGELO___: Non scrivere in maiuscolo nel canale, equivale ad urlare e non e' un comportamento gradito nel canale. grazie.\n<ANGELO___> scusatemi nn lo sapevoo...\n<ANGELO___> allora praticam vorrei chiedervi come posso sistemare\n<cristian_c> max_, digita: aplay -l\n<cristian_c> ANGELO___, sistemi da live\n<jester-> ANGELO___: che casino avresti fatto\n<krabador> max_, purtroppo per il momento l'audio puo' essere un problema su 13.04, o aspetti che canonical risolva, oppure provi ad aggiornare il kernel ad una versione successiva, ma è una procedura non supportata.\n<cristian_c> ANGELO___, ma prima spiegati\n<max_> http://computer.chapaki.com/scheda-tecnica-e-prezzi-pavilion-p7-1000it-di-hp-A0N97EA%23ABZ.html questo è il mio pc\n<ANGELO___> il mio boot manager e poi anceh come posso ricancellare alcuen verisoni vecchie di linux usbutnu.. senza mai dover cancellare cio che ho su win ...e ovviam sensza perdere quella aprtizione...\n<cristian_c> max_, sì, ma l'avevo visto\n<cristian_c> max_, digita il comando\n<cristian_c> ANGELO___, quante partizioni hai?\n<max_> quello k mi hai dat all inizio della discussione l ho mandato\n<cristian_c> 23:53:24 <cristian_c> max_, digita: aplay -l\n<jester-> ANGELO___: cosa ha che non va grub\n<max_> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade??????\n<cristian_c> 23:53:24 <cristian_c> max_, digita: aplay -l\n<max_> ok\n<us3r-_> ho risolto\n<cristian_c> lol\n<cristian_c> us3r- funza?\n<us3r-_> ho rimesso la risoluzione di prima\n<ANGELO___> praticam allora voglio impostare win comw predefinito.. poi cancelalre linux... e recueprere quello spazio ... e poi riemttere ...\n<us3r-_> alt+f2 --> lxrandr\n<cristian_c> us3r-, ma hai fatto l'accesso con la sessione netbook?\n<cristian_c> us3r-, e quindi?\n<us3r-_> da lì ho cercato di modificare col mouse anche se non era la risoluzione giusta\n<jester-> ANGELO___: se cancelli linux non parte piu winz. devi ripristinare mbr, poi reinstallare eventualemnte linux\n<us3r-_> ora chatto da lostirc da lubuntu\n<jester-> !mbr | ANGELO___\n<ubot-it> ANGELO___: Per ripristinare MBR: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/RipristinoMbrWindows\n<max_> http://imagebin.org/258377\n<cristian_c> us3r-, uhm, lo stesso client che uso io\n<us3r-_> perchè ho provato a mettere 1024x600 ma s'era incasinato\n<max_> è male?\n<us3r-_> e è strano perchè sarebbe la sua risoluzione giusta\n<us3r-_> poi dopo ho rimesso 1280x720\n<us3r-_> no, da login netbook poi la risoluzione era quella di sempre\n<max_> http://imagebin.org/258377 cistian k dice?\n<URUS> posso avere aiuto per installare i driver nvidia 540 m ?\n<URUS> non so proprio da dove iniziare\n<URUS> ubuntu 12.04 lts\n<jester-> URUS: 540?\n<cristian_c> max_, ho cercato nel file che descrivono i codec\n<URUS> si\n<URUS> nvidia gforce 540m\n<URUS> scusa\n<jester-> URUS: e da dove saltano fuori\n<max_> e cs dice?\n<URUS> gt540m\n<krabador> URUS, da terminale sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get nvidia-current-updates\n<URUS> krabador: provo\n<jester-> URUS: 540 è la scheda video?\n<URUS> si\n<cristian_c> max_, ho trovato qualcosa\n<mibofra_tablet> ciao ragazzi\n<mibofra_tablet> ci si vede :)\n<jester-> URUS: impostazioni sistema\n<jester-> URUS: sorgenti software\n<max_> cs cristian?cs dev fare?? vorrei risolvere xkè x me è un offesa usare windows haha\n<cristian_c> un'offesa all'italiano, sicuro\n<jester-> URUS: ci sei?\n<cristian_c> max_, ho trovato un topic in cui si parla del tuo codec su linux\n<max_> hahah :-( xkè??\n<URUS> krabador: sta scaricando\n<ANGELO___> adesso ci prpovoo.. .. xke è molto imporante...\n<max_> e cs dice? hanno risolto?\n<ANGELO___> ragazzi ci rpovo e rmi ricoleggo\n<URUS> jester-: si\n<ANGELO___> grazie pre i lmeotno\n<ANGELO___> moemtno\n<cristian_c> max_, in live funziona?\n<jester-> URUS: sei in sorgenti software?\n<max_> k intendi x in live?\n<cristian_c> max_, a\n<max_> le cuffie funzionano\n<cristian_c> max_, da dvd o usb\n<cristian_c> max_, quando provi ubuntu da dvd\n<max_> m ero dimenticat d dirtelo\n<krabador> le cuffie funzionano?\n<max_> noo\n<max_> nada\n<krabador> anche non in live?\n<URUS> jester-: ho fatto quello che mi aveva detto krabador\n<jester-> URUS: cioè?\n<URUS> jester-: URUS, da terminale sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get nvidia-current-updates\n<jester-> URUS: sbagliato\n<cristian_c> krabador, trovo una discussione in cui dicono di aggiungere la classica riga model=\n<jester-> URUS: vai in sprgenti software ed entra nella etichetta driver aggiuntivi\n<cristian_c> krabador, ma non dice con quale valore\n<cristian_c> -,-\n<URUS> jester-: driver agiutivi non ce niente\n<URUS> nessun driver proprietario in uso\n<jester-> URUS: suggerisce qualcosa?\n<max_> http://imagebin.org/258382 cristian può esserti d aiuto???\n<cristian_c> max_, quale kernel stai usando?\n<URUS> jester-: no\n<max_> vedi il suono arriva ma poi nada\n<URUS> ora non parte -.-+\n<cristian_c> max_, postami la schermata Configurazione\n<jester-> URUS: lspci | grep -i vga e incolla qui he è una sola riga\n<URUS> jester-: non parte\n<URUS> cioe vedo tutto nero\n<jester-> URUS: cosa non parte\n<max_> cs dev lanciare xkè si veda?\n<cristian_c> max_, mi sono accorto di una cosa: fai clic sulle icone degli altparlanti nella schermata che mi hai postato\n<jester-> URUS: se vedi nero come cazzo vedi driver aggiuntivi\n<cristian_c> *altoparlanti\n<jester-> URUS: no pvt\n<cristian_c> lol\n<URUS> jester-: ho fatto come mi aveva detto krabador\n<URUS> cioe URUS, da terminale sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get nvidia-current-updates\n<URUS> poi ho riavviato il pc\n<URUS> ora non parte\n<URUS> cioe carica, pero vedo tutto nero\n<max_> http://imagebin.org/258383 questa volevi vedere?\n<jester-> URUS: control-alt-F2 ti logghi e dai sudo dpkg --purge nvidia-current-updates quindi sudo reboot\n<cristian_c> max_, della finestra precedente\n<URUS> ho riavviato e sono sul grub\n<URUS> quindi avvio e facco control+alt+f2 ? giusto ?\n<max_> configurazione= duplex stereo analogico\n<jester-> URUS: avvia in ripristino se ei sul grub\n<jester-> URUS: quando arrivi al menu fischia\n<URUS> ok\n<max_> il programma precedente ha 5 skermate riproduzione - registrazione - uscite - ingressi - configurazione quale ti interessa vedere???\n<Valgio63> jester- ciao volevo dirvi che ho (in parte) risolto il mio problema con nvidia settings per i 173, ho rimesso , per adesso , la versione 270 presa dagli archivi e poi ho bloccato il pacchetto per l'aggiornamento.\n<URUS> jester-: ci sono\n<jester-> URUS: abilita la rete\n<URUS> sono sul menu\n<jester-> URUS: abilita la rete\n<URUS> resume\n<jester-> network\n<URUS> ah si scusa non avevo visto bene faccio\n<jester-> URUS: adesso vai in root\n<Valgio63> jester- comunque ho scaricato TUTTE le versioni, dalla 195 alla 304 0.2, leproverò in seguito e tengo quella che mi va meglio con i driver.\n<max_> cristian c'è qualcosa k posso provare?\n<jester-> Valgio63: andava dalle parti della 10,x\n<URUS> mode manager loaded plugin gobi\n<cristian_c> max_, configurazione\n<URUS> jester-: ma rimane la\n<URUS> non mi esce per scrivere\n<Valgio63> lo so, ma con l'ultima non riesco a settare quasi niente! Almeno sono riuscito a regolare a modo luminosità e contrasto!\n<cristian_c> Valgio63, ottimo\n<jester-> URUS: non hai il prompt # ?\n<Valgio63> Grazie , altro piccolo problema: come faccio a far apparire le icone del cestino etc. sul desktop della 12.04, che non ci sono?\n<max_> http://imagebin.org/258387 questa?\n<jester-> Valgio63: con unity?\n<URUS> jester-: no . lampeggi solo _\n<URUS> e basta\n<Valgio63> nein, la unity mi gira male, la cairo peggio!!! Con gnome\n<cristian_c> Valgio63, io le ho appena aggiunte su lubuntu\n<jester-> URUS: strano riavvia\n<URUS> jester-: ok\n<jester-> URUS: riavvia normal e a schermo nero avvisa\n<Valgio63> ubuntu tweak, gcon-editor le ha già spuntate, ma non ci sono!\n<Valgio63> gconf-editor, scusa.........refuso!\n<max_> cristian ti interessa sapere k scheda audio ho???\n<cristian_c> max_, già lo so\n<Valgio63> Jester- , cristian: e anche niente musica all'avvio!\n<max_> a bn beat te ahhaha invidia se nn sbaglio\n<URUS> si è avviato\n<URUS> tutto\n<URUS> jester-: sono sul desktop\n<Valgio63> Con la 11.10 va tutto bene.....a parte il fatto che ci mette un po' a spengeri, la12 è decisamente veloce!\n<max_> nvidia\n<jester-> URUS: hai la grafica?\n<URUS> jester-: ora che faccio sisisi\n<jester-> URUS: lspci | grep -i vga\n<URUS> 2 schede video\n<URUS> inte interna\n<berg66> buonasera\n<URUS> nvidia\n<jester-> URUS: allora serve bombalee\n<krabador> bumblebee\n<jester-> o come cazzo si chiama\n<URUS> jester-: e come se installa\n<berg66> ho bisogno di aiuto\n<URUS> ?\n<krabador> berg66, chiedi\n<jester-> URUS: prima di mettere il nvidia andava bene?\n<URUS> si\n<berg66> krabador\n<berg66> ho il dvd immagine iso ubuntu\n<URUS> jester-: si possono installare i driver nvidia o no ?\n<jester-> ursus allora lo togliamo e krabador ti cerca la pagina wiki per il bombale\n<cristian_c> Valgio63, beh, la musica la tolgono anche da unity :D\n<URUS> perche ho visto sul sito che ce\n<URUS> ma non so come\n<Valgio63> hahahahaha!!!\n<krabador> URUS, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee\n<jester-> URUS: con la doppia scheda è si puo ma è un po primitivo\n<Valgio63> ma mi sai dare una mano?\n<berg66> k ce l'ho\n<krabador> berg66, che succede col dvd?\n<jester-> URUS: sudo dpkg --purge nvidia-current-updates\n<max_> cristian t 6 arreso ank tu? se si l ho capisco ajhaj\n<URUS> krabador: jester-: alla fine mi seve usare cuda\n<berg66> devo metterlo a un notebook senza so come devo fare\n<jester-> URUS: segui il wiki per il bomba se non funza il cuda devi aspettare che nvidia scoelli il driver apposito per linux\n<jester-> URUS: non è che si puo iinventare\n<Valgio63> berg66, mettilo su una penna usb con unetbootin\n<max_> ma xkè le cuffie funzionane mentre le casse della tv no??? è strano no???\n<URUS> jester-: ma sul sito ce per linux !\n<max_> funzionano\n<berg66> perchè devo metterlo sulla penna\n<URUS> jester-: http://www.nvidia.it/Download/index.aspx?lang=it\n<krabador> berg66, allora, il notebook non ha il lettore dvd?\n<berg66> si lo ha\n<Valgio63> berg66, perchè fai avviare il live o l'installazione da lì!\n<URUS> jester-: visto ?\n<krabador> berg66, da problemi se metti il dvd di ubuntu nel lettore dvd,e cerchi di farlo partire in boot?\n<jester-> URUS: ancora mi pare non sia stato rilasciato per la doppia scheda\n<Valgio63> berg66, funzionea il lettore dvd?\n<berg66> si\n<Valgio63> parte in boot?\n<URUS> jester-: mi serve usare la tecnologia cuda come posso fare ?\n<berg66> che vuol dire parte il boot\n<jester-> URUS: usare winz\n<jester-> che li il river c'è\n<Valgio63> devi modifcare il bios, sequenza di avvio, 1° il dvd e pi il resto hd etc.\n<krabador> berg66, allora , all'accensione del notebook, entri in bios, e imposti il lettore dvd come prima periferica di boot\n<URUS> jester-: ma mi sembra pianta windows\n<berg66> ok\n<berg66> poi fa tutto da solo\n<krabador> berg66, oppure uno dei tasti, spesso, f11 f12 , se premuti all'avvio di fanno scegliere la periferica di boot per la sessione\n<Valgio63> oppure entrare , se c'è, con l'opzione scelta di boot, di solito F8 , ma dipende dal bios\n<jester-> URUS: segui il wiki che ti ha incollato krabador\n<jester-> e seguilo attentamente\n<krabador> berg66, poi devi far partire l'installazione, con \" installa ubuntu\"\n<berg66> con il dvd\n<URUS> jester-: la seguo se mi portera ad utilizzare cuda altrimenti non mi serve\n<krabador> si, subito dopo che parte il dvd, se non da problemi\n<krabador> berg66,\n<jester-> URUS: se non provi non lo puoi sapere\n<max_> ragazzi c'è qualcuno k sa darmi un consiglio su cs posso fare x far funzionare l audio del mio pc?\n<jester-> URUS: per logica dovrebbe andare\n<Valgio63> krabador,mi dai una mano tu?\n<URUS> jester-: ok faccio ora grazie a tutti e due\n<krabador> Valgio63, chiedi\n<cristian_c> max_, più che altro mi serviva la schermata Configurazione\n<Valgio63> krabador, come faccio a far apparire le icone del cestino etc. sul desktop della 12.04, che non ci sono?\n<Valgio63> su gnome?\n<max_> cristian te l ho mandata\n<cristian_c> max_, non la trovo\n<max_> http://imagebin.org/258387\n<max_> questa?\n<berg66> ok grazie\n<berg66> raga\n<krabador> berg66, è oartito?\n<krabador> *partito\n<berg66> si\n<Valgio63> krabador,12.04.2, per la precisione o meglio: 12.04.1 aggornata\n<cristian_c> max_, ok, ora c'è\n<Valgio63> berg66, buon divertimento!\n<berg66> grazie\n<berg66> ciao\n<cristian_c> max_, hai fatto clic sulle icone degli altoparlanti in Riproduzione?\n<krabador> berg66, buona installazione\n<max_> ti era sfuggita la post + spesso la prossima volta hahah ;-p\n<Valgio63> krabador, na sai niente?\n<cristian_c> !tab | max_\n<ubot-it> max_: Per autocompletare un nick scrivete le prime due o tre lettere e poi premete il tasto TAB | vedi anche !chi\n<cristian_c> !chi\n<ubot-it> se stai parlando con qualcuno in particolare, per rendere più leggibile il canale ti consiglio di inserire il suo nickname in quello che dici (puoi usare il completamento premendo il tasto tab)\n<krabador> Valgio63, un attimo\n<Valgio63> krabador, scusa!\n<max_> cristian ma in configurazione nn ho le casse\n<Valgio63> cristian_c, grazie stasera ho imparato qualcosa! con !tab\n<krabador> Valgio63, :D\n<Valgio63> krabador, arrivo fra 20 secondi, mi squilla il phone!\n<krabador> Valgio63, fai pure\n<max_> in prova ho le casse\n<max_> nella schermata del volume base\n<max_> cmq ho premut su prov nn fa nulla\n<max_> nada audio\n<cristian_c> max_, in Riproduzione\n<cristian_c> max_, perché il volume pare disattivato\n<cristian_c> cristian_c, magari se fai clic sulle icone che ho indicato\n<cristian_c> max_, http://imagebin.org/258382\n<Valgio63> krabador, rieccomi era la mia signora che è in ospedale da una settimana ormai :(((\n<max_> se prem sull icona del volume si disattiva\n<Valgio63> krabador, trovato niente per me?\n<krabador> Valgio63, allora, con gnome tweak tool\n<krabador> Valgio63, ci sono le opzioni\n<URUS> krabador: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee\n<URUS> cosa devo fare\n<URUS> advance setup\n<max_> qualche altro programma driver da poter provare??\n<Valgio63> krabador, già fatto, tutto spuntato....e tutto come prima, o devo riavviare il server x?\n<krabador> Valgio63, beh, riavvia proprio e vedi che succede\n<Valgio63> krabador, idem con ubuntu tweak e gconf-editor, tutto spuntato ma nient:(((((\n<Valgio63> krabador, ah, ok ci provo e rientro.\n<URUS> jester-:\n<krabador> URUS, segui passo passo la guida\n<URUS> non caspisco dopo advance\n<Valgio63> krabador, uscito e rientrato. niente. riavvio proprio invece che riavviare il server?\n<krabador> Valgio63, si\n<cristian_c> max_, mmmmm\n<jester-> URUS: toh in italiano http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/GraficaIbrida/Bumblebee\n<Valgio63> krabador, ok. a fra poco....è un po' vecchiotto come me!\n<Valgio63> il pc\n<cristian_c> max_, era già disattiva, dalla schermata che mi avei postato\n<URUS1> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)\n<URUS1> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 540M] (rev ff)\n<max_> max@max-p7-1000it:~$ aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav Riproduzione in corso WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Frequenza 48000 Hz, Mono può esserti utile???\n<URUS1> jester-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5685308/\n<jester-> URUS1: abbiamo capito che hai la doppia scheda, segui il wiki e poi installa nvidia current anche\n<jester-> <jester-> URUS: toh in italiano http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/GraficaIbrida/Bumblebee\n<jester-> URUS1: è chiara la procedura\n<jester-> URUS1: poi devi lanciare da terminale o modificare i lanciatoti\n<URUS1> ma è una guida diversa per\n<cristian_c> max_, ma funza?\n<URUS1> jester-: sono arrivato a sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends bumblebee\n<jester-> URUS1: <jester-> URUS: toh in italiano http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/GraficaIbrida/Bumblebee\n<jester-> e 4\n<jester-> segui la italiana\n<URUS> ok rifaccio tutto\n<max_> no cristian 0 nn da segni d vita\n<URUS> no si capisce niente\n<cristian_c> max_, uhm, ora non ho tempo che devo uscire dal chan\n<cristian_c> ma se ricapita l'occasione, guardiamo meglio\n<max_> ok grz cmq\n<Valgio63> krabador, rieccomi e tuuto uguale a prima!\n<Valgio63> tutto\n<max_> ragazzi qualcuno d voi qualche consiglio per risolvere problemi audio?\n<krabador> Valgio63, verifica che in gnome tweak non sia selezionata la voce have a file manager handle the desktop\n<max_> nn abbandonatemi ahahha\n<Valgio63> krabador, è su off, avevo già controllato!\n<URUS1> qualcuno puo dirmi il mistero di come inserire la versione del drive se non so come e dove trovarla ?\n<URUS1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5685339/\n<max_> nessun vuole cimentarsi nel darmi un aiutino ???\n<Valgio63> krabador, ci ho cinnamon sopra, sarà mica quello?\n<Valgio63> krabador, tano non mi piace un granchè! meglio mate.\n<krabador> Valgio63, si\n<Valgio63> tanto!!! non tano!\n<krabador> Valgio63, è cinnamon che crea quel discorso\n<Valgio63> krabador, si cosa? é cinnamon?\n<Valgio63> krabador, lo disinstallo! D agestore pacchetti o meglio da ubuntu software centre?\n<Valgio63> fanc....lo\n<krabador> Valgio63, dai non è cosi' grave\n<Valgio63> krabador, sarà sempre lui che non mi fa andare la musica di avvio?\n<krabador> Valgio63, la musica d'avvio va reimpostata\n<URUS1> jester-: mi dai una mano ? nella guida dice di installare qualcosa ma non dice come dice di inserire la versione del driver presente sul pc , e dove vo tirare fuori tutta sta informazione ? non è facile\n<Valgio63> krabador, perchè anche quella è out!\n<Valgio63> krabador, l'ho fatto! su una guida l'ho trovata ma non va uguale!\n<Valgio63> oppure ho cazziato qualcosa!\n<URUS1> Prendere nota della versione del driver Nvidia presente nel sistema (esempio nvidia-304) come si fa ?\n<Valgio63> krabador, disistallo da ubuntu software centre o da synaptic?\n<krabador> Valgio63, da terminale\n<Valgio63> krabador, allora aiutami, sono un po' hady sul term!\n<Valgio63> handY--cappato!\n<Valgio63> XD\n<Valgio63> krabador, terminale aperto\n<krabador> Valgio63, sudo apt-get --purge autoremove cinnamon\n<Valgio63> krabador, partito\n<Valgio63> s\n<Valgio63> s era per il terminale!\n<Valgio63> krabador, sai mica se mate da lo stesso problema?\n<krabador> Valgio63, non dovrebbe\n<Valgio63> krabador, fatto, riavvio?\n<krabador> Valgio63, si\n<URUS1> krabador: tu dai per cado come si fa ?\n<krabador> URUS, apt-cache search nvidia-current\n<URUS1> ok\n<URUS1> krabador: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5685372/\n<krabador> URUS, apt-cache showpkg nvidia-current\n<Valgio63> krabador, SSSSSiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!\n<URUS1> krabador: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5685377/\n<krabador> Valgio63, bene\n<Valgio63> krabador, per il suono d'avvio, la guida mi dice di creare un lanciatore in applicazioni d'avvio con questo comando: /usr/bin/canberra-gtk-play --id=\"desktop-login\" --description=\"GNOME Login\". ti risulta?\n<krabador> Valgio63, una cosa del genere\n<krabador> URUS, allora 304\n<Valgio63> krabador, ma lo hai fatto o no tu?\n<krabador> Valgio63, io no.\n<Valgio63> krabador, meglio silenzioso eh?\n<Valgio63> lol\n<krabador> Valgio63, si, lo preferisco\n<krabador> :D\n<Valgio63> krabador, io ci provo, era confortante l'avvio, come il vecchio Windows98!\n<Valgio63> krabador, quanta acqua.....\n<krabador> stai seguendo lffl, vero?\n<Valgio63> krabador, l'ho trovato, non ho il tempo di seguirlo tanto come vorrei!\n<krabador> Valgio63, per il suono di ubuntu, intendo\n<Valgio63> krabador, si\n<krabador> Valgio63, il loro articolo funziona, per il suono\n<URUS1> krabador: ti prego famelo tu non capisco un tubo\n<Valgio63> krabador, sto tentando, al lavoro. di far partire un qualsiasi ubuntu su una scheda con 128m di ram!! Domani provo con uno dei vechi mint con feisy o gutsy ! Ti immagini?\n<URUS1> krabador: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5685392/\n<krabador> Valgio63, hardware di anni fa, non va male con kernel 2.4 o 2.6\n<krabador> Valgio63, il problema è ,se vuoi una vecchia ubuntu, gli aggiornamenti di sicurezza\n<krabador> Valgio63, non tutte hanno un repository legacy, dopo la fine del supporto ufficiale\n<Valgio63> krabador, ma è un OBC!! Praticamente mi stà in mano,\n<Valgio63> krabador, e lo faccio per provare a gestire delle telecamere remote!\n<krabador> URUS, a che punto sei arrivato?\n<Valgio63> krabador, finti i tempi dei soldi a scialo nelle FS!!!xD\n<URUS1> devo modificare il file che ti ho postato su pastebin\n<URUS1> krabador: punto 3 di configurazione\n<Valgio63> krabador, adesso vado, domattina sveglia allle 6, notte a tutti e grazie di nuovo!!\n<krabador> Valgio63, buonanotte\n<krabador> URUS, hai aperto /etc/bumblebee/bumblebee.conf ?\n<URUS1> si\n<krabador> URUS, allora sostituisci quello che ti dicono\n<URUS1> ma non capisco non coicide\n<krabador> mettendo al posto di VERSION la perfetta versione del tuo driver installato\n<URUS1> che sarebbe ?\n<krabador> URUS, devi stostituire quelle righe soltanto se hai un driver proprietario installato\n<krabador> se prima l'hai rimosso, adesso non dovresti averlo\n<URUS1> 'e come faccio a saperlo se ce l'ho\n<URUS1> nel file ho\n<URUS1> Driver=nouveau\n<URUS1> [driver-nouveau]\n<URUS1> KernelDriver=nouveau\n<URUS1> PMMethod=auto\n<URUS1> XorgConfFile=/etc/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nouveau\n<krabador> hai l'opent\n<krabador> accontentati di usare bumblebee su driver open\n<krabador> altrimenti riavvia, installa nvidia-current e fallo puntare a lui.\n<URUS1> krabador: sto fancendo tutto questo perche mi serve usare cuda\n<URUS1> krabador: non so come\n<krabador> URUS, installa anche primus\n<URUS1> te dico che non so non me neintendo per niente\n<URUS1> krabador: si\n<URUS1> krabador: primus è già alla versione più recente.\n<krabador> URUS, apt-cache search bumblebee\n<URUS1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5685425/\n<URUS1> krabador: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5685425/\n<URUS1> krabador: :( aiuto\n<krabador> URUS, se hai riavviato, dopo aver installato bumblebee, lo stai usando , con i driver nouveau\n<krabador> URUS, vedi se va bene per quello che devi fare\n<URUS1> krabador: nouveau?\n<URUS1> ma non devono essere nvidea ?\n<krabador> puoi usarlo con entrambi\n<krabador> cosa scritta chiaramente nel wiki\n<URUS1> e come faccio a sapere se posso utilizzare i core della scheda video ?\n<krabador> se non ti piace come va con nouveau, puoi settare bumblebee per funzionare con i driver proprietari\n<krabador> installandoli, e modificando /etc/bumblebee/bumblebee.conf\n<krabador> come scritto in figura\n<krabador> wiki\n<URUS1> krabador: ma se non capisco ce poco da fare\n<URUS1> una volta modificato cosa devo fa ?\n<URUS1> krabador: mi avevte dato due guide diverse e non so come fare ne con una ne con l'altra non vanno\n<krabador> URUS, le guide sono pressochè identiche\n<krabador> una è quella del wiki internazionale, una del wiki italiano\n<URUS1> krabador: in una non dice di modificare quel file\n<URUS1> krabador: su quella che mi hai dato tu sono fermo qui\n<URUS1> sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends bumblebee\n<URUS1> e dopo cosa faccio ?\n<URUS1> non dicono piu niente\n<URUS1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee#Installation\n<krabador> quando hai installato il pacchetto bumblebee,e primus, che linea hai dato?\n<URUS1> ho fatto\n<URUS1> krabador: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5685461/\n<krabador> ecco\n<URUS1> e poi ho fatto sudo apt-get install primus\n<URUS1> ma ora non so come nadare avanti\n<krabador> la wiki internazione ti fa installare il supporto al driver proprietario con un'opzione specificata dove ti sei bloccato, li a sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends bumblebee\n<krabador> mentre quella italiana ti fa modificare il file .conf\n<URUS1> quindi ora riprendo dalla italiana ma da dove ?\n<krabador> allora, ti è chiaro che puoi usare bumblebee anche usando i nouveau?\n<URUS1> krabador: no\n<URUS1> non mi è chiaro niente se devo essere sincero\n<URUS1> io voglio instalare i driver nvidia per avere il supporto cuda della mia scheda\n<krabador> http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=522127\n<krabador> cuda è un'altra cosa.\n<URUS1> krabador: non so io cmq avevo specificato prima\n<URUS1> seguo quello ?\n<krabador> per far funzionare nvidia optimus, serve bumblebee\n<URUS1> quindi ?\n<krabador> se hai la 12.04, si\n<URUS1> 12.04 lts\n<URUS1> si\n#ubuntu-it 2013-05-21\n<URUS1> krabador: una domanda\n<URUS1> ma io sto usando ubuntu 12.04lts da hd esterno . cambia qualcosa ?\n<URUS1> posso usare il os anche su altri pc ?\n<URUS1> da hard disk esterno ?\n<krabador> URUS, per maneggiare meglio bumblebee , installati bumblebee-config-gtk da ppa esterno\n<krabador> URUS, non cambia nulla, solo che se è usb, non è paragonabile in prestazioni se interno, sata\n<URUS1> ?ma lo riconosce un altro pc\n<URUS1> e cmq come installo bumblebee-config-gtk ?\n<URUS1> con apt ?\n<krabador> URUS, puoi usare il sistema operativo su altri pc il cui hardware sia supportato dal kernel del sistema operativo\n<cri> giorno\n<glpiana> ola\n<sacarde> ciao\n<sacarde> sapete come resettare le barre in unity?\n<sacarde> non mi appaiono piu\n<glpiana> !unityreset | sacarde\n<ubot-it> sacarde: per resettare unity alle impostazioni di partenza, premi alt+f2 (o apri un terminale) e digita: unity --reset\n<sacarde> reimposta anche le barre?\n<sacarde> e ..\n<sacarde> unity-2d-launcher ?\n<glpiana> sacarde, prova. se non agisce su unity-2d vediamo che altro fare\n<sacarde> ma le impostazioji di unity sono tutte nella dir .gconf ?\n<glpiana> immagino. sacarde puoi anche provare a resettare gnome se vuoi\n<glpiana> !gnomereset\n<ubot-it> Per resettare gnome alle sue impostazioni di default rinominare le cartelle nascoste nella propria home .gnome2 .config .gconf .gconfd .gnome2_private con un nome a piacere, ad esempio .gnome2.bk e riavviare la sessione\n<glpiana> a tra poco\n<masso68> Hum.. Non so se questo è il posto giusto (non vorrei scocciare). Sono un neofita di Ubuntu. Ho la versione 13.04 scaricata da poco ( ha sostituito la 12.04) e, come succedeva anche all'inizio della precedente versione, quando devo spengere il pc (Acer Aspire 7110) rimane in un limbo perenne sulla schermata di chiusura (scritta UBUNTU coi pallini sche scorrono al di sotto). C'è qlc ke posso fare io o devo aspetare un bug fix dell\n<glpiana> masso68, il tuo sistema è stato aggironato dopo l'installazione?\n<glpiana> *aggiornato\n<masso68> ho fatto quello che mi si richiedeva per l'aggiornamento al 13.04. Poi ho lanciato l'aggiornamento software (lo faccio quasi sempre) e ho installato quel che c'era da installare Devo forse fare altro?\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<glpiana> masso68, no, direi che è aggiornato. apri un terminale e scrivi: uname -a\n<masso68> fatto\n<glpiana> masso68, e che ti ha risposto?\n<masso68> questo: Linux masso-Aspire-7110 3.8.0-22-generic #33-Ubuntu SMP Thu May 16 15:17:59 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux\n<glpiana> masso68, cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep proposed\n<masso68> ??? devo inserire quella stringa sul terminale?\n<glpiana> sì, copiala e incollala nel temrinale\n<masso68> ha risposto: deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-proposed restricted main multiverse universe deb-src http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-proposed restricted main multiverse universe #Added by software-properties\n<glpiana> masso68, oki, e perchè usai i repository proposed?\n<glpiana> vabbè, lasciamo stare\n<masso68> li avevo scaricati per visualizzare dei video con cui avevo problemi\n<glpiana> masso68, apri sorgenti software\n<glpiana> togli la spunta ai proposed, poi chiudi e trona nel terminale\n<masso68> dove trovo le sorgenti software?\n<glpiana> masso68, nel terminale scrivi: gksu software-properties-gtk\n<masso68> fatto\n<glpiana> masso68, hai tolto la spunta?\n<masso68> da dove?\n<glpiana> masso68, dai repository proposed\n<jester-> pagherei per sapere come li hai abilitati\n<glpiana> eh, misteri!\n<masso68> dunque: dentro SOFTWARE E AGGIORNAMENTI ho la spunta su SOFTWARE CON RESTRIZIONI PER COPYRIGHT O MOTIVI LEGALI. Credo di averla abilitata quando ho scaricato e installato i pacchetti di MEDIBUNTU. E' quella spunta che devo togliere?\n<glpiana> masso68, no, devi cercare una riga che riporta la parola \"proposed\" o \"proposti\". ora, in tutto lì hai 3 o 4 schede, con 4 righe per una. non penso ci voglia molto a leggerle tutte. e poi come li hai messi, saprai anche levarli\n<mondocane> qualcuno usa ufw col kernel 3.8 ?\n<glpiana> !qualcuno | mondocane\n<ubot-it> mondocane: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<masso68> ho trovato e tolto (scusa...)\n<glpiana> masso68, ora chiudi e torna nel temrinale\n<masso68> fatto\n<glpiana> masso68, sudo apt-get update e poi quando termina: sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.8.0-21-generic\n<mondocane> Col kernel 3.8 compilato da me ed ufw-0.33 in /var/log/messages mi trovo : nf_conntrack: automatic helper assignment is deprecated and it will be removed soon. Use the iptables CT target to attach helpers instead.\n<mondocane> credo non sia niente di che\n<glpiana> mondocane, con un kernel non compilato da te il problema è lo stesso?\n<masso68> fatto tutto\n<mondocane> eh quando me ne sono accorto era tardi, i vecchi li ho eliminati\n<glpiana> masso68, ora dimmi se all'avvio del pc vedi il menu di grub o se parte subito ubuntu\n<glpiana> mondocane, installa il generic e vedi se il problema è nel kernel compilato da te\n<masso68> devo riavviare, quindi? O spengo e riaccendo?\n<glpiana> masso68, no, devi solo rispondermi\n<mondocane> ok quando torno :)\n<jester-> mondocane: apt-get install linux-image-3.8.0-21-generic e lo rimetti\n<glpiana> quando avvii il pc, vedi il menu di grub o parte direttamente ubuntu?\n<masso68> non so cosa sia il MENU DI GRUB e non capisco cosa interndi per AVVIO\n<masso68> ho capito.\n<glpiana> masso68, per avvio intendo accensione del computer, per menu di grub intendo un menu per la scelta del sistema operativo\n<masso68> ho il menu di grub\n<glpiana> masso68, oki, allora dovrai cercare il kernel 3.8.0-21, e non il 3.8.0-22 che sarà la prima scelta\n<glpiana> masso68, quindi riavvia il computer e procedi\n<jester-> dentro a opzioni avanzate\n<masso68> mumble mumble.... dove trovo il kernel 3.8.0-21? (ve l'ho detto all'inizio che sono un neofita... =0( )\n<nicola> ciao a tutti\n<nicola> ho appena finito di installare ubuntu 12.10 LTS ma la connessione internet è lentissima\n<glpiana> masso68, in impostazioni avanzate, nel menu che ti appare quando accendi il pc\n<glpiana> nicola, 12.10 non è LTS. cosa hai installato?\n<nicola> ho seguito questa guida: http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?p=4244272&mobile=off\n<akis24> giorno\n<nicola> ma nn ne vuole sapere\n<nicola> glpiana, scusa è la 12.04\n<glpiana> nicola, parliamo di connessione via cavo o wireless?\n<nicola> wireless con un adattatore d-link\n<glpiana> nicola, che scheda wireless hai? interna o usb?\n<nicola> usb\n<glpiana> nicola, e connettendoti allo stesso router via cavo e via wifi trovi differenza di velocità di connessione?\n<nicola> via cavo nn è possibile perché il router è in segreteria...\n<nicola> però se accedo con windows funziona bene\n<glpiana> nicola, apri un terminale e scrivi: lsusb\n<glpiana> !paste | nicola\n<ubot-it> nicola: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<angelo___> ciao ragazzi vi ho contattato ieri .. x qst probelma: non riesco piu a vedere win ... ho letto ma dicgitando i comandi praticam ... non riesco a far nulla adesso sono da cd live.... mi aiutereste passo passo per paicere.. ?\n<jester-> angelo___: non vedi win in che senso\n<angelo___> nel dual boot ( si avvia direttam linux) ... e in piu ho fatto alcuni casini .. nela sneso che ci sono versioni precedenti sotto linux... tra cui 3.5.0-28 credo sia l ulitmo kernel ... ma io devo e voglio cancelalre anche questo kernel qui 3.5.0-17 con il rispettivo recovery e ovviamente recuepreare quello spazio\n<nicola> glpiana ecco il paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686267/\n<glpiana> midammi anche l'output del comando: lsmod\n<glpiana> nicola, dammi anche l'output del comando: lsmod\n<masso68> glpiana: ho fatto come mi hai suggerito, ho dato il riavvio, ma si è bloccato sulla solita schermata. Ho spento, riacceso selezionando il kernel di cui sopra, ho provato a arrestare e si è bloccato ancora. Che fare?\n<nicola> glpiana sono connesso da altro pc, ti devo copiare manualmente tutto l'output?\n<nicola> o hai bisogno di qlc in particolare?\n<angelo___> allora ragazzi idee?? xke io nn so piu che fare......\n<glpiana> nicola, perchè non ti colleghi col pc in questione?\n<nicola> perché nn ce la fa!\n<glpiana> masso68, scrivi: uname -a\n<masso68> non ti fidi eh? fai bene!! =0D : Linux masso-Aspire-7110 3.8.0-21-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Tue May 14 22:17:37 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux\n<glpiana> nicola, tu hai scritto che la connessione è lenta\n<glpiana> masso68, oki, ora scrivi: sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.8.0-22-generic\n<angelo___> spero di aveer spiegato al meglio li mio problema...\n<nicola> glpiana: si, ma è talmente lenta che mi sta caricando ancora la pagina di accesso alla chat\n<glpiana> nicola, lascia perdere la chat, dai il comando e apri la paguina di pastebin. vedi se riesci a eseguire pastebin e poi copia qui l'indirizzo della pagina\n<glpiana> angelo___, scrivi nel temrinale: sudo os-prober\n<masso68> glpiana: fatto\n<glpiana> masso68, oki, quantomeno ora hai il kernel ufficiale che partirà da solo. hai detto che lo stesso ti era capitato in precedenza. giusto?\n<masso68> si anche con la 12.04, ma poi (credo a qualche aggiornamento inviato dalla comunity) la cosa si è risolta\n<glpiana> masso68, allora mi sa che ti tocca aspettare. oppure, visto che hai aggiornato, prova ad avviare col kernel vecchio\n<masso68> cioè col .21 o col .22?\n<masso68> ... chiaro: col 21...\n<masso68> vado\n<pycasso> salve sto creando una lista dinamica di pulsanti in pygtk ma a tutti viene connessa la stessa funzione\n<pycasso> http://pastebin.com/6gWuxssJ\n<pycasso> come posso risolvere?\n<angelo___> GLPIANA ho fatto come mi hai detto tu ...\n<angelo___> e m è venuto fuori una coa del genere...\n<jester-> !chat | pycasso\n<ubot-it> pycasso: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<angelo___> dev/sda1:Windows 7 (loader):Windows:chain /dev/sda6:Ubuntu 12.10 (12.10):Ubuntu:linux\n<angelo___> e ora??\n<angelo___> e ora dopo aver digitato quel comando cosa faccio?\n<glpiana> angelo___, un momento per cortesia\n<angelo___> scusami GLPIANA... perche pensavo che i sms nn fossero stati visualizzati ... pardon\n<masso68> glpiana: ho spento e si è bloccato comunque. Poco male. Attenderò come la volta scorsa. Ma questo non toglie che sono proprio contento della comunità Ubuntu! Mi piace il modo di collaborare ognuno con le proprie esperienze (io faccio l'infermiere, spero non vi servirò mai =0D ). Volevo, quindi ringraziare per il tempo e la pazienza deditatemi. GRAZIE glpiana! E buon lavoro!\n<angelo___> grande masso68 ;-)\n<glpiana> angelo___, nel terminale scrivi: sudo fdisk -l\n<glpiana> !paste | angelo___\n<ubot-it> angelo___: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<nicola> glpiana l'altro pc nn regge proprio la connessione (forse ho capito perché!)\n<nicola> allora ti spiego che cosa è successo:\n<glpiana> nicola, spiega\n<nicola> il pc ha una scheda di rete con un'antennina dietro al pc\n<nicola> dato che nella stanza in cui lavoro il segnale è molto basso il primo tecnico ha collegato un cavo ethernet ad un giocattolino attaccato alla presa della corrente\n<nicola> il secondo tecnico poi ha collegato via usb l'adattatore d-link dw125 e quindi la velocità di connessione era migliore (su win)\n<angelo___> glpiana credo di averlo fatto porprio ora..\n<glpiana> angelo___, oki, passami il link però\n<nicola> ora mi sono accorto che l'usb adapter non funziona su ubuntu (o per lo meno credo visto che il led è spento)\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686331/\n<angelo___> a volte mi stupisco di quanto sia scemo ahah\n<glpiana> angelo___, dammi anche l'output di: mount\n<angelo___> come s fa?\n<glpiana> angelo___, scrivi mount nel temrinale e fai la stessa cosa che hai fatto ora\n<nicola> finalmente è riuscito ad incollare il codice che mi hai richiesto: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686333/\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686336/\n<glpiana> nicola, domanda: ma non è che è così lento perchè non si connette all'apparecchietto che ti ha messo alla presa ma a un segnale più distante?\n<nicola> penso che sia proprio così!\n<nicola> come posso fare per dirgli di usare l'apparecchietto?\n<glpiana> angelo___, ma da dove hai avviato adesso?\n<angelo___> da live cd\n<glpiana> nicola, devi andare sulla connessione e cliccare su quella col segnale più elevato\n<glpiana> ora devo assentarmi. a più tardi\n<jester-> nicola: non sai se sei connesso eth o wifi?\n<angelo___> glpiana ma pensi sia sistemabile coem cosa'?\n<angelo___> xke sicneram ho paura a riavviare.. xke penso che si possa nna ccendere piu nenache linux\n<nicola> a questo punto nn ci sto capendo più niente. l'apparecchietto dovrebbe utilizzare il wifi tramite corrente elettrica\n<cristian_c> powerline?\n<jester-> nicola: hai detto che sull'adattore è collegato un cavo eth o no\n<glpiana> angelo___, non puoi avviare dalla tua installazione di ubuntu?\n<glpiana> vado\n<jester-> nicola: dovrebbe essere un adattatore che prende la banda mandata con altro adattaore nell'impianto corrente\n<nicola> jester- si\n<angelo___> ok ok grazie lo stesso glpiana.. adesso cerco di capirci qlksina... a dopo se ci sei\n<jester-> nicola: cavo eth cazzillo to pc?\n<nicola> yes\n<jester-> nicola: quindi prende la banda normale dall'impianto elettrico, scollega la wifi e collega la eth dall'icono di rete\n<jester-> icona\n<jester-> è come se la pigliassi dal router\n<jester-> sperando che non hai fatto casino in configurazione rete\n<jester-> nicola: anzi vai in modifica connessioni--> cavo-->modifica-->ipv4-->metti DHCP\n<nicola> fatto\n<nicola> ma adesso nn si connette più!\n<jester-> nicola: mo collega la cavo dall'icona di rete sulla tray\n<nicola> ?\n<jester-> nicola: hai un'icona di rete in alto a destra sulla barra o no\n<jester-> clicca\n<jester-> cosa vedi\n<nicola> si\n<jester-> abilita rete\n<jester-> cavo e wifi o no\n<nicola> yes attivo risulta solo: wired connection 1\n<jester-> nicola: quindi la wifi non c'è\n<jester-> nicola: clicca e connettila\n<jester-> nicola: se connessa dovresti navigare\n<jester-> nicola: ifconfig , etho ha un indirizzo inet?\n<nicola> boh, come faccio a saperlo?\n<jester-> nicola: nel terminale digita: ifconfig\n<jester-> e vedi se c'è un numero dopo indirizzo inet della eth0\n<nicola> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686368/\n<jester-> nicola: stai usando la wifi e non eth\n<jester-> possibile che nell'icona rete non compaia\n<jester-> nicola: sudo ifconfig wlan0 down e la manda gia, sudo dhclient eth0\n<jester-> dovrebbe connettere la cavo\n<jester-> se va piano avraà il segnale debole\n<nicola> nisba\n<jester-> mila wifi è usb?\n<jester-> nicola: wifi è usb?\n<nicola> oltre all'apparecchietto c'è anche l'usb adapter d-link dwa125. come mai non lo rileva?\n<jester-> nicola: è collegato in wifi il tuo pc e sa do os smonchiato, scommetto che se provi una live funza tutto, stacca la usb e riavvia\n<nicola> jester-: dava lo stesso problema\n<nicola> ho staccato il cavo eth da dietro al pc e adesso voglio provare a farlo funzionare con l'usb adaptor\n<jester-> nicola: stacca la usb e riavvia se non si connette in eth chiama il tecnico che qualcosa non va nell'adattatore nella presa\n<jester-> nicola: se il segnale wifi è debole non vai da nessuna parte, per quello il tipo ha messo la presa\n<nicola> tecnico? ognuno ha la sua teoria...\n<jester-> nicola: non c'è molto da teorizzare con l'usb scollegata usa per forza la eth\n<nicola> il secondo tecnico - pur lasciando l'adattatore - ha attaccato l'adattatore usb\n<nicola> attenzione io penso che il segnale lo prenda dalla schede di rete interna al pc e non dall'adattatore usb esterno\n<jester-> se non va bene l'adattatore non a il suo mestiere se ti colleghi in wifi ed è lenta la causa è segnale debole o driver linux scarso. provare anche da winz sullo stesso pc sarebbe un test\n<jester-> nicola: usb wifi o integrata prendono un segnale radio\n<jester-> la eth dal cavo\n<nicola> win funziona perchè l'ho usato fino a ieri!\n<jester-> nicola: rimane da capire se l'adattatore nella presa è un adattore per la banda o un specie di access point\n<jester-> se è eth non c'è motivo, sepre che faccia iul suo lavoro, che non navighi\n<jester-> wifi bisogna vedere che chipset ha la usb\n<nicola> Atlantis Land Homeplug Turbo 85Mbps\n<jester-> nicola: is è un adattatore banda\n<jester-> ce n'è un altro collegato al router, anzi controlla che lo sia\n<jester-> nicola: usa i fili della corrente come cavo\n<nicola> l'apparecchietto è connesso tramite un cavo eth mentre il segnale è portato dalla corrente elettrica\n<jester-> nicola: certo\n<jester-> invece di stendere cavi si usa quelli che ci sono\n<jester-> nicola: quindi uno manda e l'altro riceve\n<nicola> yes\n<jester-> nicola: l'altro è collegato al rutter?\n<jester-> che se non sono in due fanno nulla\n<nicola> controllo\n<_Kalce_> buongiorno a tutti\n<_Kalce_> esiste un software tipo devede che mi sembra che con u 13.04 non funzioni proprio benissimo?\n<jester-> _Kalce_: k3b non li fa i dvd video?\n<cristian_c> _Kalce_, kdenlive?\n<cristian_c> _Kalce_, openshot?\n<jester-> anche\n<cristian_c> !programmi | _Kalce_\n<ubot-it> _Kalce_: Per una lista di programmi disponibili per Ubuntu consulta http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Programmi\n<_Kalce_> ma non è roba per kde? io ho unity.....\n<cristian_c> _Kalce_, apri il link\n<cristian_c> _Kalce_, ora non ricordo ma ce ne sono\n<cristian_c> _Kalce_, oppure una bella ricerca nel software center\n<_Kalce_> come si digita quell' asta alla fine della parola programmi?\n<nicola> jester- mica hai un paio di transenne?\n<jester-> nicola: ??\n<jester-> ti hanno fottuto un adapter?\n<nicola> jester-: devo impedire alla signora delle pulizie di avvicinarsi alle prese di corrente!!!\n<jester-> lol\n<nicola> va che è una meraviglia\n<jester-> :D\n<nicola> ti devo una birra\n<jester-> nicola: se è bona la signora perdonala\n<_Kalce_> comunque grazie ragazzi ....alla prossima...\n<nicola> il problema è che è pure brutta ;-)\n<jester-> funzano bene gli adapter senza sbattersi a tirare file\n<jester-> i\n<jester-> sigh\n<nicola> vabbè in studio il problema della rete c'è sempre stato! in alcune stanze funziona, in altre no\n<nicola> era la soluzione più economica (rispetto al cablaggio dell'intero studio!)\n<jester-> nicola: costano pure relativamente poco, pensa che i crucchi usano la rete pubblica per mandare internet\n<nicola> immagino, anche se preferisco rimanere nella legalità ;-)\n<nicola> jester- ora vado, sei stato gentilissimo\n<nicola> ciao\n<jester-> ciao\n<_Kalce_> save a tutti di nuovo....\n<_Kalce_> ho appena installato 13.04 e devede ... ma devede , una volta selezionato il file da trasformare ( da .mp4 a .avi) non parte.....\n<akhilleus> cristian_c ci 6?\n<glpiana> !tizio | akhilleus\n<ubot-it> akhilleus: non porre le tue domande a qualcuno in particolare, rivolgiti al canale. Non usare forme del tipo \"Tizio, mi sai dire..\"/\"Tizio, posso?\"\n<akhilleus> ok\n<angelo___> ciao ragazzi ...vi ho contattato stamane... ma causa lavoro ho dovuto interoompere ... allora pticam io in dual boot win 7 e linux ubuntu.... innnazittuto vorrei rimuovere le vecchie versioni di ubuntu installate... perche ho due kernel...e io vorrei solo l ultimo il piu aggioranto ..e ovviam eliminare la ltro e recueprare quello sapzzioe amgari restituirlo a win ....Mentre per quanto riguarda win.. non riesco a visualizzarlo .\n<angelo___> credo sia relatvo all MBR.... mi aiutatte passo passo er apicere??\n<angelo___> mi aiutati per paicere??\n<angelo___> mi aiutate per piacere??\n<angelo___> anceh perche sono un utente linux da pochix...\n<glpiana> angelo___, ora sei da livecd o dalla tua installazione?\n<angelo___> ora dalla mia versioen .. CIAOOO glpiana... PAICERE ANGELO\n<glpiana> angelo___, allora apri un terminale e scrivi: sudo os-prober\n<angelo___> nn esce nulla\n<angelo___> è normale?\n<glpiana> angelo___, sudo fdisk -l\n<glpiana> !paste | angelo___\n<ubot-it> angelo___: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686749/\n<glpiana> angelo___, scrivi: uname -a e copia qui la riga che esce\n<angelo___> angelinux@angelinux-AO721:~$ uname -a Linux angelinux-AO721 3.5.0-28-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 23 23:05:48 UTC 2013 i686 athlon i686 GNU/Linux\n<glpiana> angelo___, hai la versione 12.10?\n<angelo___> si\n<angelo___> ho provato a fare l aggioranmetneo alla 13 ma nn è mai andata a nuon fine\n<glpiana> angelo___, vuoi dire che l'hai avviato e si è fermato subito o che qualcosa aveva fatto?\n<angelo___> no no ... nn ha fatto l upgarde\n<glpiana> ok, scrivi: sudo apt-get update\n<glpiana> quando termina, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade\n<angelo___> sta aggioranndoo.. manca poco max un paio di minuti o forse meno\n<glpiana> oki\n<glpiana> angelo___, quando termina, riavvia comunque e quando torni riprendiamo\n<angelo___> riavvio il pc..??o chiudo solo firefox e riavvio questo??\n<glpiana> angelo___, riavvia il pc\n<angelo___> ciao GLPIANA...\n<angelo___> ho appena finitoo\n<angelo___> cosa faccio adesso invece?\n<glpiana> angelo___, oki, apri il terminale\n<glpiana> angelo___, sudo os-prober\n<angelo___> ancora neitne\n<angelo___> nn esce scritto nulla..\n<glpiana> angelo___, sudo apt-get install --reinstall os-prober\n<angelo___> FATTO\n<angelo___> fatto\n<glpiana> angelo___, sudo os-prober\n<angelo___> niente\n<glpiana> mmm...\n<glpiana> dpkg -l | grep grub\n<glpiana> !paste | angelo___\n<ubot-it> angelo___: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686869/\n<akis24> ciao\n<glpiana> angelo___, ma dillo che hai toccato il boot loader con repositories esterni -.-\n<angelo___> io??\n<glpiana> angelo___, cos'è sto grub costumizer?\n<angelo___> ma nn soo neanceh cosa vuol dire\n<angelo___> ahah\n<angelo___> ah quello è un porgramma che ho installato xke volevo provare a capirci qlksa..\n<angelo___> ma nn ho capito neitne\n<angelo___> e ho cheisto aiuto\n<glpiana> angelo___, vabbè, comuqneu dobbiamo levarlo e ripristinare la sotuazione originale\n<glpiana> angelo___, ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d\n<angelo___> fatto\n<glpiana> !paste | angelo___\n<ubot-it> angelo___: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686886/\n<glpiana> angelo___, sudo apt-get install grub-pc\n<angelo___> mi cheide : se mantenene la versione local o installare i package maintainer's version\n<angelo___> cosa sputno\n<angelo___> ?\n<glpiana> !paste | angelo___\n<ubot-it> angelo___: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686898/\n<glpiana> angelo___, dai ok (se ok non è evidenziato, premi il tasto tab e poi premi invio)\n<angelo___> finito\n<glpiana> angelo___, dpkg -l | grep grub\n<angelo___> fatto\n<glpiana> angelo___, non hai ancora capito che se un comando ti da output devi metterlo su pastebin?\n<angelo___> si il problmea e' che nn sempre\n<angelo___> me lo fa incolalre\n<angelo___> eppure sono attaccato al router\n<angelo___> infatti ora gira ma nn carica la pagina.. cioè nn me lo fa incolalre\n<angelo___> incollare\n<glpiana> ne riparliamo quando avrai il link\n<angelo___> ah ok ok\n<angelo___> bingo finalemtne\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686941/\n<glpiana> angelo___, ora scrivi: sudo grub-install /dev/sda\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686945/\n<glpiana> angelo___, sudo update-grub\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686952/\n<glpiana> angelo___, cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep proposed\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686955/\n<glpiana> angelo___, dpkg -l | grep linux-image\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686962/\n<glpiana> angelo___, apt-cache policy linux-image-3.5.0-30-generic\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686964/\n<glpiana> angelo___, sudo os-prober\n<angelo___> niente\n<glpiana> angelo___, sudo apt-get purge grub-customizer\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686971/\n<glpiana> angelo___, sudo os.-prober\n<glpiana> angelo___, sudo os-prober\n<angelo___> nietne\n<glpiana> angelo___, riavvia e torna qui da live\n<angelo___> ok capo ;-)\n<angelo___> eccomi\n<angelo___> glpiana\n<angelo___> che orami sei diventato il mio mito informatico hahhaah\n<glpiana> angelo___, apri un terminale e scrivi: sudo os-prober\n<angelo___> mi mandi il link per incollare per apicere?? cmq è solo uan stringa\n<angelo___> te lo incollo qui ??\n<angelo___> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo os-prober /dev/sda6:Ubuntu 12.10 (12.10):Ubuntu:linux\n<glpiana> ecco, adesso manco lo vede più -.-\n<glpiana> angelo___, nulla da fare. proviamo a ripristinare mbr per vedere se windows parte ancora\n<angelo___> ok ok\n<glpiana> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/RipristinoMbrWindows\n<angelo___> io quello che ho notato .. che ora all avvio .. c'è scritto solo UBUNTU ... e non piu tutto cio che stava scirtot priam.. imamgino sia uan notizia inutele mia...\n<glpiana> angelo___, apri sta pagina, scarica il pacchetto per la tua versione e installalo\n<glpiana> angelo___, quello è perchp grub2 visualizza diversamente. e non sarebbe comunque un problema. il problema è far ripartire windows. cerca di fare rapidamente che io tra 4 minuti stacco\n<angelo___> si si\n<angelo___> fatto\n<angelo___> installato\n<glpiana> angelo___, ora scrivi: sudo ms-sys -w /dev/sda\n<angelo___> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo ms-sys -w /dev/sda DOS/Windows NT master boot record successfully written to /dev/sda\n<glpiana> angelo___, ora riavvia il pc e vedi se parte windows. se parte correttamente, riavvia da live cd e segui la guida per il ripristino di grub\n<glpiana> !grub | angelo___\n<ubot-it> angelo___: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<glpiana> non so se quando torni ci sono ancora, per cui segnati l'inidirzzo\n<angelo___> ok ok perfetto nn so veera come ringraziarti ... sul serioooo io sono un ing energeticoo....ma purtroppo nn capisco un cavolo di ste cose. qui .. grazie ancora..\n<glpiana> angelo___, prima di ringraziare vedi se ti parte qualcosa\n<angelo___> ok ok riavvio subito\n<angelo___> ti ringrazio per il tempo dedicato\n<angelo___> almeno\n<angelo___> glpiana ci sei??\n<angelo___> praticam nn si avvia nulla\n<angelo___> non carica neanche piu linux...\n<angelo___> c'è una cosa che parala di MAC ADDRESS\n<angelo___> ma nn fa nulla\n<glpiana> angelo___, linux è normale che non lo carichi, abbiamo resettato mbr. e windows non parte?\n<angelo___> no\n<glpiana> angelo___, allora è normale che non lo vedesse nemmeno linux\n<angelo___> e ceh faccio ora ?? lo lancio dall ufficio?? ;-)\n<glpiana> angelo___, se vuoi ripristinare linux, segui la guida che ti ho indicato. ma se hai anche intenzione di rimettere a posto windows, prima pensa a windows e poi a linux\n<angelo___> ok ok da quella guida\n<glpiana> !grub\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<angelo___> ok ok\n<glpiana> angelo___, segui per il ripristino\n<glpiana> se hai problemi, chiedi. ti aiuteranno\n<glpiana> io vado\n<angelo___> adesso provo e grazie ancora\n<romeopapa> salve, posso chiedere qui informazioni su driver stampanti?\n<akis24> !aiuto | romeopapa\n<ubot-it> romeopapa: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<akis24> romeopapa: se riguarda ubuntu si per il resto #ubuntu-it-chat\n<angelo___> ragazzi mi aiutate per piacere?? mi ha dato una mano fino ad aora GLPIANA...\n<angelo___> ma io nn ho cpaito ancora come posso fare a sisitemare delle cose...\n<angelo___> come posso fare??\n<romeopapa> configurazione: pc in rete aziendale con multifunzione olivetti, riesco a stampare solo da web (google ad esempio) non da libreoffice o altro programma ubuntu, stamp correttamente da xp su virtualbox. ubuntu vede la stampante \"INATTIVA\". Suggerimenti?\n<romeopapa> ad esempio, da web uso i soliti driver linux della stampante che ho istallato? (crederei di si...) perchè da li stampo e da ubuntu no?\n<ZlojCrash> multifunzione di rete? Non LPT o USB?\n<angelo___> praticam ho su l mio hard disk da 320 gb.... ci sono win 7...e ubuntu ( ma credo che GLPIANA me le abbia elimiante)... ora nn riesco a far visuliazzare piu WIN NEL DUAL BOOT... e sopratutto nenanceh ubutnu .. infatti ora sono da live cd... e vorrei impsotare anceh come primo boot win.. x nn incappare piu in spaicaevoli casini .... spero di essere stato chiaro... mi aiutate per apicere???\n<romeopapa> yes\n<akis24> angelo___: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<angelo___> ciao akis24... mi da un sacco di errori.. ad ogni riga ceh provo ad incollare...\n<angelo___> ecoc xke cheido il vs aiuto\n<akis24> angelo___: devi seguire la guida per reinstallare grub\n<angelo___> infatti glpiana mi faceva postare\n<angelo___> ogni singola cosa..\n<angelo___> xke ci stava capendo un po ..\n<angelo___> il danno\n<ZlojCrash> romeopapa - modelle di multifunzione?\n<akis24> angelo___: ci capisce è molto ma è andato via\n<akis24> angelo___: intanto leggi come ripristinare grub al link che ti ho messo sopra\n<romeopapa> ZlojCrash, olivetti dcopia 451 mf\n<BlAcKaNgEl> ciao\n<angelo___> infatti ... è stato cosi gentile..e soraptutto motlo ma molto bravo io nn ho fatto praticam nulla ahah .. si si sto leggendo .. ma qnd incollo ... mi resittiuisce qst sms\n<angelo___> root@ubuntu:~# sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt mount: you must specify the filesystem type\n<angelo___> e io sul serio nn ci capisco un cavolo\n<ZlojCrash> 451 mf? non 4501 mf?\n<akis24> angelo___: devi montare la partizione su cui risiede ubuntu ... cerca di capire la guida\n<romeopapa> ZlojCrash, http://www.olivetti.it/Tool/Product/Panoramica/view_html?id_item=970&idp=428\n<akis24> angelo___: da terminale fdisk -l vedi la partizione di ubuntu e poi dai quel comando\n<akis24> angelo___: !paste\n<akis24> !paste | angelo___\n<ubot-it> angelo___: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5687081/\n<angelo___> sono arrivato fino qui e credo di aver fatto bene ma sicuram nn sara cosi\n<angelo___> ;-)\n<ZlojCrash> romeopapa - provi usare PPD da MACOSX drivers per CUPS\n<romeopapa> ZlojCrash, Ne sai qualcosa?\n<romeopapa> ZlojCrash, scusa, non ho capito\n<romeopapa> ZlojCrash, i driver ce li ho\n<ZlojCrash> Scusa uno momento\n<akis24> angelo___: provo a seguirti vediamo se ci si riesce guardo un attimo\n<angelo___> ok ok faccio quello ceh midici\n<akis24> angelo___: sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt prova ora cosi\n<akis24> e poi continua come nella guida ...\n<angelo___> ora riprovo... continuo da dove mi ero fermato??\n<akis24> angelo___: sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt e poi devi solo applicare i passaggi della guida\n<ZlojCrash> ubuntu usa PPD files per printers\n<ZlojCrash> http://download6.konicaminolta.eu/develop/public/&&BDV&EN&sw&ineo%2B+552&Printer+Driver&&&0&&&0&Color+MFP&0&&6\n<ZlojCrash> PostScript\tItalian\tPPD driver (30001.0000 MU) for Generic 50C-2 Series\t30001.0000\t2012-01-12\n<akis24> angelo___: sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt scusa ho sbagliato e poi devi solo applicare i passaggi della guida\n<ZlojCrash> questo driver per tua multifunzione\n<akis24> angelo___: correggo sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt era giusto cosi come prima\n<akis24> az scappato\n<romeopapa> ZlojCrash, o vediamo, poi mi spieghi perchè da google stampa....\n<romeopapa> ZlojCrash, mi dice sempre inattiva...\n<angelo___> akis 24...\n<angelo___> allora\n<angelo___> ho riavviato e mi è compaprso è\n<angelo___> ubutnu\n<ZlojCrash> Hai messo questo driver?\n<angelo___> ma win ancora no\n<romeopapa> ZlojCrash, ovviamente si\n<akis24> angelo___: allora aspetta un attimo e vediamo..\n<angelo___> okok\n<akis24> angelo___: al solito dai sudo update-grub e poi metti il risultato su pastebin\n<angelo___> mi ripassi il link di paste bin\n<angelo___> per apicere\n<akis24> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5687134/\n<ZlojCrash> romeopapa - Ho incontrato una situazione del genere che ho dovuto installare la configurazione del server CUPS-alone e configurarlo a mano. Oggi probabilmente non sara in grado di rispondere - forse domani.\n<akis24> angelo___: ora questo cat /boot/grub/menu.lst e sempre su pastebin ..\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5687142/\n<ZlojCrash> ciao a tutti!\n<akis24> angelo___: hai window 7 o altro ?\n<angelo___> win 7\n<akis24> ok\n<angelo___> akis24 posso fare qlksa??\n<akis24> angelo___: dai questo sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst e poi aspetta\n<angelo___> ok ok telo posto e poi qndpuoi io sono qui ...\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5687162/\n<akis24> si vedo\n<akis24> angelo___: allora guarda qui alla fine quasi e vedrai qualcosa da aggiungere dalla riga 165 alla riga 168 quando aggiungi quelle quattro righe salva e poi riavvi http://paste.ubuntu.com/5687166/\n<angelo___> ma lo metto prima o dopo la parola quiet??\n<OverMe> angelo___, ma con glpiana non avevi appurato che windows non parte neanche senza linux?\n<akis24> angelo___: mettilo esattamente come lo vedi li\n<akis24> ops\n<angelo___> pardon... ok ok riavvio e ritorno qui ..\n<angelo___> a dopo\n<OverMe> -.-\n<akis24> OverMe: pensi che abbia win che non parte ?\n<OverMe> prima non gli partiva, se non l'ha sistemato nel frattempo (e non credo...)\n<akis24> OverMe: riguardando non vedo il timeout ...\n<akis24> si c'è tre secondi\n<angelo___> akis24 eccomi .. niente da fare.. non si vede win 7\n<akis24> angelo___: un minuto e sistemiamo..\n<angelo___> ok ok graziee\n<angelo___> suls erio\n<OverMe> angelo___, ripeto, se hai windows che non parte, il grub non lo vedrà mai\n<akis24> angelo___: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst\n<angelo___> ok OVERME.. io nn capisco niente.. ditemi cosa posso fare.. xke vorrei avere win 7 ee ubuntu .. ( ma una sola versione e non diversi kernel) e x colpa mia .. ho fatto un casino assurdo e vorrei che mi aiautaste sul serio\n<angelo___> aperto\n<OverMe> devi prima recuperare o reinstallare windows (come ti ha già detto prima glpiana)\n<akis24> angelo___: poi modifica questa riga da cosi hiddenmenu a cosi #hiddenmenu ovvero metti il cancelletto avanti\n<angelo___> messo\n<angelo___> salvo??\n<akis24> angelo___: e questa imposta da \" timeout\t\t3 \" a \" timeout 10 \"\n<angelo___> fatto\n<akis24> angelo___: dopo salvi e posti su pastebin cosi controlliamo\n<akis24> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<angelo___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5687215/\n<akis24> angelo___: riavvia ora e vediamo\n<Guest79144> ciao !!! vorrei istallare ubuntu su un aspire one d255 c'è una guida sul forum ?????\n<angelo___> ok ok riavvio e vi dico\n<akis24> !installazione | Guest79144\n<ubot-it> Guest79144: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<Guest79144> si ma quale versione devo istallare ?????\n<akis24> Guest79144: direi la 13.04\n<angelo___> akis24 nietne ancora\n<akis24> angelo___: nel menu di grub vedi win... ?\n<angelo___> no\n<angelo___> vedo ubuntu / metest e absta credo\n<Guest79144> ok grazie siete grandi !!!!!!!\n<akis24> angelo___ imposta cosi ##hiddenmenu doppio cancelletto con il comando solito sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst salvi e riavvi\n<angelo___> ok ok riavvio\n<angelo___> akis24 niente ancora\n<akis24> angelo___: prima partiva winz ?\n<angelo___> ovvio\n<OverMe> prima hai detto che non partiva\n<akis24> angelo___: sudo os-prober dal terminale e posta il risultato\n<OverMe> <angelo___> glpiana ci sei??\n<OverMe> <angelo___> praticam nn si avvia nulla\n<OverMe> <angelo___> non carica neanche piu linux...\n<OverMe> questo dopo aver ripristinato il MBR\n<angelo___> nn esce nulla aki24\n<angelo___> aksi24\n<angelo___> ragazzi è un caino lo soo .. ma nn volgio e nn posos perdere dei dati di win\n<OverMe> se windows non parte il problema è di windows e non si risolve in questo canale\n<angelo___> quidni la soluzione OVER ME? QUALE SAREBBE??\n<OverMe> infili un cd di windows e fai un ripristino\n<angelo___> ma se io ho un netbook e ho piu cd... coem faccio ??\n<OverMe> cosa vuol dire \"e ho più cd\" ?\n<akis24> angelo___: usi quello di ripristino ...\n<CX8> musci perché sei passato ad Arch?!!\n<CX8> traditore\n<angelo___> ho un netbook e qnd ho fatto il backup\n<angelo___> mi ha fatto fare 3 dvd\n<Pif> 3 dvd?!\n<CX8> la prossima volta uso un HD\n<Pif> Ma seriamentee?\n<Pif> Cacchio\n<Pif> é un b8\n<angelo___> e che ne so 3 dvd mi ha fatto fare\n<CX8> da quanti Gb?\n<angelo___> praticam credo con tutti i drivere programmi eccecc..\n<Pif> i kick ass programmer si scrivono i driver da soli\n<angelo___> boh quidni ?? quale dei dvd dovrei mettere. xke cosi mi fa reinstallare tutot win .. cosa ceh nn voglio fare .. da un giorno praticam che osn oqui .. visto ceh ho dei porgrammi quali catia solidedge da migliaia di euro\n<akis24> angelo___: entra qui #ubuntu-it-chat\n<OverMe> non è detto che ti faccia reinstallare tutto\n<cri> angelo___, io direi di fare una istallazione pulita\n<Pecurus> salve a tutti volevo chiedere dato che suono nuovo del mondo ubuntu come posso risolvere il problema che mi affligge ovvero che il pc si freeza \"a caso\" non potendo piu compiere alcuna operazione io penso che sia dovuto ai driver video\n<krabador> Pecurus, freezes vari possono essere varie cose\n<krabador> ram, videoram, chipset, alimentatore.... se sta partendo l'alimentatore dovrebbe spegnersi\n<Pecurus> capito e come dovrei riuscire a capire di cosa si tratta??\n<krabador> *se si sta surriscaldando dovrebbe spegnersi\n<krabador> Pecurus, è un fisso o un notebook ?\n<Pecurus> fisso\n<Pecurus> assemblato da me\n<HoldenC> Pecurus, puoi guardare se in /var/log/syslog c'e' traccia di messaggi d'errore\n<krabador> quanti anni fa?\n<Pecurus> 23\n<Pecurus> scusa 2\n<Pecurus> ma processore e scheda madrea e ram 6 mesi\n<krabador> ecco, puoi vedere il file che ti ha detto HoldenC\n<Pecurus> ok\n<krabador> !paste | Pecurus\n<ubot-it> Pecurus: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Pecurus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5687556/\n<Pecurus> così?\n<HoldenC> Pecurus, vedo questi messaggi sospetti:gnome-session[1901]: Gtk-CRITICAL: gtk_main_quit: assertion `main_loops != NULL' failed\n<HoldenC> e poi vedo che riavvii la macchina subito dopo\n<Pecurus> si perchè non risponde piu\n<Pecurus> cioè qualsiasi cosa faccio non funziona\n<Pecurus> mouse tastiera non funzionano\n<HoldenC> Pecurus, che versione di ubuntu stai usando?\n<Pecurus> 13.04\n<Pecurus> la 12.10 mi dava ancora piu problemi e diciamo che non so praticamente nulla\n<HoldenC> Pecurus, hmm, che driver video usi?\n<Pecurus> proprietari ati gli ultimi\n<Pecurus> perchè quelli open mi fanno andare sempre la ventola\n<Pecurus> a giri elevati\n<HoldenC> Pecurus, cpu e scheda video?\n<Pecurus> i5 2500k e ati hd 5870\n<Pecurus> versione asus\n<HoldenC> hmm\n<HoldenC> provo a cercare su google quell'errore\n<Pecurus> ok\n<Pecurus> grazie\n<HoldenC> Pecurus, usi l'interfaccia unity?\n<slowhand> ciao ho un problema\n<slowhand> qualcuno disposto ad ascoltare??\n<HoldenC> !qualcuno\n<ubot-it> la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<simone83_> chi mi da una mano???\n<simone83_> ...\n<simone83_> ho un problema\n<simone83_> qualche santo?????\n<HoldenC> !chiedere\n<ubot-it> Non chiedere di chiedere, chiedi e basta!\n<simone83_> ok\n<simone83_> ho ubuntu studio e ho scaricato wine per usare cubase, lo installa ma all'apertura del programma si fermo su lcc cioè la licenza e dice di non leggere un file che in realtà c'è\n<simone83_> chi mi aiuto su questo problema?????\n<akis24> simone83_: evidentemente manca il file di licenza che sul prg ci sara'\n<Pecurus> HoldenC si la uso\n<simone83_> quando lo installo su windows è ok, la stessa cosa su ubuntu non va.\n<simone83_> in realtà ho provato ad usare i programmi di ubuntu ma personalmente sarà il fatto che devo vederli bene ma sembrano fare schifo\n<akis24> simone83_: magari lo cerca in un altro percorso rispetto a win che non trova\n<slowhand> ho installato ubuntu 13.04 solo che quando lo avvio dal multiboot mi apre la shell e non la grafica\n<HoldenC> Pecurus, ok. su google si trovano un po' di risultati relativi a crash e quell'errore, ma bisogna leggerli e cercare di capire se e come hanno risolto. io purtroppo devo andare ora\n<slowhand> da cosa pensate dipenda??\n<akis24> simone83_: allora che discutiamo a fare ? torna a winz\n<Pecurus> HoldenC se mi mandi i link posso dare un'occhiata\n<HoldenC> Pecurus, cerca questa stringa con google: gnome-session : Gtk-CRITICAL: gtk_main_quit: assertion `main_loops != NULL' failed\n<Pecurus> ok\n<simone83_> io vorrei un programma come cubase, un multitraccia dove ho la possibilità di caricare dei VST tipo simulatori di ampli. Ho provato rosegarden con alcuni plug in ma devo aprire 5 programmi per far si che funziona. c'è un canale di ubuntu dedicato a musicisti???\n<Pecurus> HoldenC grazie mille\n<akis24> simone83_: credo esista una versione apposta ma non saprei dirti ora e qui si parla di ubuntu ufficiale\n<HoldenC> Pecurus, di niente\n<slowhand> scusate, ho installato ubuntu 13.04 però quando lo avvio, non carica la grafica e mi dà la shell\n<slowhand> qualcuno ha una mezza idea del perchè??? grazie\n<akis24> slowhand: hai provato a dare startx sulla shell ?\n<slowhand> no ora provo\n<jester-> slowhand: devi prima loggarti\n<jhjh> come faccio a d eliminare ubuntu da un dual boot???\n<jester-> jhjh: cioè vuoi disinstallare ubuntu?\n<jhjh> eliminarlo dalla partizione e tornare ad avere solo win\n<jhjh> so che c'è un file da sistemare\n<jhjh> però non ricordo come si chiama\n<jester-> jhjh: se installato su partizione devi ripristinare MBR\n<jester-> poi formatti la partizione da winz\n<jester-> !mbr\n<ubot-it> Per ripristinare MBR: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/RipristinoMbrWindows\n<jhjh> jester-: ecco! esatto! MBR era il nome\n<jester-> jh fallo da ubuntu installata\n<pepigno75> salve su un portatile con EFI disabilitato da boot ho installato la 12.04 e windows 8 e tutto funzionava, grub2 mi faceva partire anche windows8. Poi ieri ho deciso di formattare e mettere la 13.04. Ubuntu tutto ok ma windows8 ora non parte più\n<pepigno75> Ecco l' errore: Errore: impossibile trovare il comando \"drivemap\" errore:invalido EFI file patch\n<jester-> !uefi | pepigno75\n<ubot-it> pepigno75: UEFI è una specifica che definisce una interfaccia software tra un sistema operativo e le piattaforme firmware, è intesa come un sostituto del BIOS. Per informazioni su come impostare e installare Ubuntu su macchine UEFI vedi http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/UEFI\n<mammolo> Ciao a tutti\n<ridichetipassa> salve a tutti\n<ridichetipassa> avrei una domnada\n<ridichetipassa> domanda\n<URUS> jester-: il UEFI si puo installare ?\n<lukaas73> ciao,sono nuovo\n<lukaas73> ho bisogno di un consiglio...\n<lukaas73> come faccio a scaricare il driver della webcam?\n<lukaas73> c'è nessuno?\n<lukaas73> ku ku\n<simone_> sera\n<simone_> qualcuno??????\n<lukaas73> ciao simone\n<simone_> mi serve un aiuto\n<lukaas73> tu conosci bene ubuntu?\n<lukaas73> anche a me serve\n<simone_> io devo sapere come funziona wine\n<lukaas73> wine? Funziona ancora?\n<lukaas73> Lo ricordo in una vecchissima versione\n<lukaas73> Io ho bisogno di sapere come installare il driver della mia webcam\n<simone_> in teoria sono musicista, usavo cubase con windows ma sono passato a ubuntu studio che lo trovo ottimo ma cubase non funziona\n<lukaas73> ma qui non c'è nessuno che risponde\n<lukaas73> forse dobbiamo cambiare canale chat\n<simone_> il problema è che non ho la minima idea di come funzionano i programmi musicali che ti da ubuntu, per suonare devi aprire tre - quattro programmi in contemporanea\n<lukaas73> bella domanda. Non ne so nulla. Io lo ho re-installato da 10 giorni\n<simone_> è l'unico canale in italiano\n<lukaas73> Provo ad andare nel forum. Forse li trovi anche te info su quello che cerchi\n<lukaas73> Stalloneitaliano, tu conosci ubuntu?\n<StalloneItaliano> conoscere è una parola grande: diciamo che lo stimo!\n<lukaas73> Oh grazie, meno male\n<lukaas73> tu sai come faccio a installare il driver della webcam?\n<lukaas73> Ho una esterna, e viene riconosciuta plug & play da windows , ma non da ubuntu\n<krabador> lukaas73, che webcam hai ?\n<lukaas73> una schifezza da 10 euro con usb e jack per microfono\n<StalloneItaliano> lukaas73, c'è questa wiki che è molto utile: http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?t=32178\n<lukaas73> ok, mille grazie. Adesso ci vado... :)\n<filippo> sera a tutti, ho un disperato bisogno di ripristinare un vecchio pc (HP nx9010) ma ho problemi con l'hard disk. qualche anima pia che si intenda di fsck o altro programma per controllare il buono stato dell'apparechio e come eventualmente ripristinarlo?\n<gghgh> come tolto ubuntu per mettere windows\n<gghgh> ??\n<gghgh> come tolgo ubuntu per mettere windows'??\n<Emanuele_Deriu> prendi il cd di windows\n<Emanuele_Deriu> lo metti dentro\n<Emanuele_Deriu> e riavvi il pc\n<gghgh> Emanuele_Deriu: non parte\n<filippo> scusa gghgh, intendevo ripristinare l'integrità dell'HHD, sono un ubuntero anche io e convinto\n<gghgh> Emanuele_Deriu: anche con bios settato\n<gghgh> filippo: eh?\n<Emanuele_Deriu> gghgh, devi far partire prima il lettore dvd dell HD\n<Emanuele_Deriu> devi entrare nel bios e sistemare le preferenze d'avvio\n<gghgh> Emanuele_Deriu: io vado nel bios ...mposto il boot da cd... riavvio, metto il disco, ma non parte\n<Emanuele_Deriu> ma funziona il cd?\n<filippo> gghgh, scusa per la seconda volta, credevo parlassi con me\n<gghgh> Emanuele_Deriu: su un altro mio pc è partito benissimo e ha installato tutto\n<gghgh> filippo: in ogni caso... sai aiutarmi?\n<filippo> purtroppo no, non arrivo a tanto, già Emanuele_Deriu ha detto tutto quello che avrei potuto pensare\n<gghgh> Emanuele_Deriu: hai altre idee?\n<Emanuele_Deriu> mh allora\n<Emanuele_Deriu> che pc è?\n<gghgh> acer aspire 5920g\n<Emanuele_Deriu> allora soluzioni semplici\n<Emanuele_Deriu> installa wine o macchina virtuale :D\n<Emanuele_Deriu> altrimenti prova che vada il lettore cd magari è quello che non va\n<Emanuele_Deriu> dopo che riavvi fa rumori strani il pc?\n<gghgh> il lettore va! inserisco i disci su ubuntu e li gelle\n<gghgh> cosa è wine?\n<Emanuele_Deriu> un programma per far partire programmi .exe su ubuntu\n<gghgh> ah\n<gghgh> ok\n<gghgh> Emanuele_Deriu: ho scoperto una cosa\n<gghgh> i cd e dvd normali li legge il pc!\n<gghgh> non legge ne cd ne dvd rom!\n<gghgh> però se non sono rom li legge\n<Emanuele_Deriu> ...\n<Emanuele_Deriu> riesci a mettere windows su pennina?\n<gghgh> già fatto\n<gghgh> già provato a mettre win su usb\n<gghgh> ma non me lo legge cmq\n<URUS> ma non ha la partizione di recovery ?\n<gghgh> URUS: installato sull'intero hdd ubuntu... mo voglio rimettere win\n<URUS> gghgh: sta parlando di windows\n<URUS> partizione di riprestino di windows non ce l'hai ?\n<gghgh> no urus ! windows non c'è più sul mio pc\n<URUS> altrimenti fai partire quella per reinstallare windows\n<gghgh> URUS: non c'è nessuna partizione\n<gghgh> solo ubuntu\n<URUS> è nuovo il pc ?\n<gghgh> no vecchio\n<gghgh> quando l'ho preso 5 anni fa c'era win vista\n<URUS> ah scusa avevo capito che eroa nuovo e quindi con la partizione di riprestino di widows\n<Emanuele_Deriu> ma a che ti serve winzoz sarà lentissimo\n<URUS> come fatte a mettere windows su usb da linux ?\n<URUS> appunto concordo con emanuele\n<Emanuele_Deriu> non mi ricordo forse unebootin\n<Emanuele_Deriu> URUS, non riesco ad installare samba su xubuntu 13.04 sai aiutarmi?\n<gghgh> URUS: ma il pc non è mio e devo rimettere win\n<URUS> Emanuele_Deriu: non ho la piu palida idea di cosa parli\n<URUS> Emanuele_Deriu: so meno di te\n<Emanuele_Deriu> mettici xubuntu modificato e digli che è la nuova versione di windoz :D\n<URUS> gghgh: capito ma come hai meso windows su usb da linux ?\n<URUS> Emanuele_Deriu: windows 9 ahahahha\n<Emanuele_Deriu> si :D\n<URUS> Emanuele_Deriu: come ha fatto gghgh a mettere windows su usb ?\n<Emanuele_Deriu> non l'ha messa\n<Emanuele_Deriu> ha il dvd\n<URUS> ?\n<URUS> ah ecco\n<URUS> ma da linux questa procedura non si puo fare ?\n<URUS> magari usando dd ?\n<Emanuele_Deriu> no deve solo andare nel bios e far partire il tutto\n<URUS> si ok ho capito il suo problemma ma questo è un problemma mio ihih :P\n<URUS> posso creare la usb windows da linux ?\n<URUS> senza virtualmachina ?\n<Emanuele_Deriu> http://bit.ly/10KAmft\n<Emanuele_Deriu> fai prima con la vm\n<URUS> Emanuele_Deriu: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=senza+virtual+macchina\n<URUS> :P\n<Emanuele_Deriu> http://toshidex.org/2012/09/29/windows-creare-un-windows-bootable-da-usb-da-linux/\n<Emanuele_Deriu> toh\n<Emanuele_Deriu> era il secondo risultato del link che ti ho dato\n<Emanuele_Deriu> continuo col dire che fai prima con la vm\n<URUS> Emanuele_Deriu: lo so ma tante volte mi ritrovo con ubuntu pulito e senza iternet\n<Emanuele_Deriu> eh allora non fa\n<Emanuele_Deriu> devi sempre installare qualche pacchetto\n<URUS> ecco non si puo e va beh\n<URUS> tanti si ritrovano cosi\n<Emanuele_Deriu> http://toshidex.org/2012/09/29/windows-creare-un-windows-bootable-da-usb-da-linux/ questo l'hai visto?\n<URUS> Emanuele_Deriu: si\n<antisociale> una mano con il wifi per favore\n<calimero_82> ciao\n<calimero_82> ragazzi non mi parte + l audio\n#ubuntu-it 2013-05-22\n<CaprettaD> Cerco un aiuto molto tecnico. C'è qualcuno on?\n<dario_> ciao\n<akis24> giorno\n<Mattialeggenda> Buongiorno a tutti ho un vecchio notebook con 128mb di ram e 400mhZ che distribuZione scelgo?\n<Mattialeggenda> à belka la distro plume linux ????\n<glpiana> ola\n<vlt> ângiorno\n<Zlojcrash_away> salve\n<pk84re> ciao a tutti\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<densing> buongiorno, ho comprerato un nuovo pc con preistallato windows 8 vorrei ritornare al SO ubuntu, qualcuni mi puo aiutare?\n<TaLaDo> !installazione\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<TaLaDo> densing, installa accanto\n<densing> ok adesso provo.....\n<densing> !installazione\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<findus> sistema ubuntu lts 12.04 molto lento che fare?\n<calimero_82> buongiorno a tutti\n<calimero_82> ragazzi non mi parte l audio\n<calimero_82> ho ubuntu 12.10\n<findus> qualche settaggio per tenere ubuntu lts 12.04 in forma?\n<findus> qualcuno sa come qualche programma che legge i file avi dei film per la traduzione di film in inglese?\n<Dooc> ciao tutti volevo chieders una cosa e possibile spostare l barra unity\n<Lazza192> buongiorno a tutti vorrei chiedervi un aiuto io sul mio pc ho sono come sistema ubuntu 12.10 e visto che per un errore il software center non funziona piu, vorrei sapere come disinstallare ubuntu per poi installare la versione 13.04\n<findus> il comando per installare gli aggiornamenti?\n<OverMe> Lazza192, semplicemente fai l'installazione della 13.04 e durante l'installazione scegli di formattare la partizione dove adesso hai la 12.10\n<calimero_82> ragazzi non capisco perchè sento bassissimo\n<findus> jester il comando per installare gli aggiornamenti?\n<calimero_82> ho il volume al massimo ma si sente basso\n<OverMe> Lazza192, comunque, quale errore?\n<Lazza192> OverMe io ho scaricato la versione 13.04 e l'ho messo su un cd come ho fatto con la versione precedente ma non me lo fa partire l'installazione, e ho riprovato a fare un nuovo cd ma anche con quello non mi parte non so proprio il perchè\n<OverMe> hai controllato l'md5 dell'immagine? all'avvio hai impostato il cd (o la chiavetta usb) per avviarsi per primo?\n<Lazza192> comunque mi dice errore sconosciuto: <<type'exceptions.systemerror'>> (E:the package splashtop-streamen needs to be reinstalled, but i can't find an archive for it\n<Lazza192> sisi l'ho controllato ed e apposto\n<OverMe> Lazza192, se vuoi possiamo provare a sistemare l'errore\n<Lazza192> se è possibile :)\n<OverMe> Lazza192, apri un terminale: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade\n<OverMe> !paste | Lazza192\n<ubot-it> Lazza192: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<OverMe> Lazza192, ?\n<adam__1> ciao, ho installato ink per controllare il livello di inchiostro della stampante. vorrei sapere come faccio a sapere a che numero di porta usb è collegata la stampante\n<jester-> adam__1: man ink\n<adam__1> jester, non dice il numero di porta\n<jester-> adam__1: disolito usb0 usb1 etc\n<jester-> se non usa raw\n<jester-> adam__1: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/ink.1.html\n<luisa> qualcuno sa se esiste un programma di data recovery per ubuntu? vorrei salvare i file della scheda SD che la macchina fotografica non legge più\n<jester-> adam__1: ink -a ?\n<jester-> luisa: intendi files cancellati?\n<adam__1> -a non è un comando valido\n<luisa> no, non mi legge più la scheda neanche il pc e dentro ci sono foto\n<luisa> posso recuperarle?\n<jester-> luisa: photorec nel pacchetto testdisk\n<jester-> è un po un casino ma qualcosa fa\n<luisa> mi spieghi meglio? lo trovo nel software center?\n<jester-> luisa: si testdisk è nei repo\n<luisa> ok trovato lo sto installando\n<jester-> luisa: fai una cartella bacup nella home e poi\n<jester-> backup\n<luisa> installato e cartella creata\n<jester-> luisa: poi sudo photorec /d ~/backup\n<jester-> segui le richieste\n<jester-> e incrocia le dita, se recupera non assegna ai files il nome originale\n<luisa> 0 files saved...\n<jester-> luisa: hai indicato il device giusto?\n<luisa> ce ne erano due.. ho scelto il multiple card reader.. l'altro mi sembrava il disco fisso\n<jester-> luisa: se non trova niente la sd è mesa male\n<luisa> la cosa strana è che io ho usato la macchina fotografica, poi ho messo la sd nel pc e non me la leggeva, l'ho rimessa nella macchina fotografica e non me la leggeva più neanche la macchina\n<jester-> luisa: fa vedere nel paste cosa risponde duso fdisk -l\n<jester-> !paste | luisa\n<ubot-it> luisa: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<luisa> devo scrivere \"fdisk -1\" nel terminale?\n<jester-> eh\n<jester-> e poi incolli nel pastebin\n<jester-> come da bot\n<luisa> mi dice opzione non valida\n<jester-> sudo fdisk -l\n<luisa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5689917/\n<jester-> sudo fdisk -l (-elle)\n<luisa> ops scusa\n<luisa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5689921/\n<jester-> luisa: la sd è attaccata?\n<luisa> sì\n<jester-> luisa: non la vede\n<jester-> sembra morta\n<luisa> molto bene\n<jester-> luisa: toglila e riattaccala e ridai il comando\n<luisa> uguale come prima\n<jester-> sembra defunta\n<luisa> veramente mi è capitato pure un'altra volta che non la leggeva (però avevo provato semplicemente ad attaccarla, senza usare il terminale)\n<luisa> poi la tolsi, spostai il tasto di sola lettura e me la leggeva di nuovo\n<luisa> soltanto che questa volta non ha funzionato\n<jester-> luisa: prova a riavviare il pc non vorrei che testdisk l'abbia nascosta\n<luisa> vabbè provo a riavviare. torno tra un po', grazie!\n<luisa> niente jester temo non ci sia speranza\n<jester-> luisa: se fdisk non la vede è da buttare\n<luisa> provo a lasciarla dal fotografo ma a questo punto immagino nulla da fare\n<jester-> tentar non nuoce\n<jester-> magari cì+ qualche tool winzoz piu potente\n<jester-> c'è*\n<luisa> va bene ti ringrazio, photorec sembra comunque un buon affare da tenere salvato sul pc...\n<luisa> alla prossima, speriamo vada meglio :D ciao\n<svingegneria> Ciao a tutti\n<jester-> potente è potente poi ti scassi a cercare i file visto che gli da un nome non coerente\n<adam__1> jester, guarda cosa mi dice quando do il comando http://paste.ubuntu.com/5689908/\n<jester-> mika hai letto il manuale che ti ho incollato nè\n<jester-> ink -p usb -n 0 ink -p usb -n 1 e via dicendo\n<jester-> ink -a\n<adam__1> quei comandi li ho provati ma da lo stesso risultato che ti ho linkato\n<jester-> io vedo altri comandi nel link\n<jester-> adam@adam-desktop:~$ ink adam@adam-desktop:~$ ink -p usb\n<jester-> ink -p usb -n 0 mi pare un po diverso\n<jester-> magari con sudo\n<jester-> sudo ink -p usb -n 0\n<jester-> sudo ink -p usb -n 1\n<jester-> sudo ink -p usb -n 2\n<jester-> etc\n<Dooc> Salve, ho un problema, se seguendo molti forum ma niente... come posso spostare la barra unity in basso ?\n<jester-> Dooc: non penso sia possibile\n<jester-> a meno di tarocccare i file di configurazione unity\n<Dooc> jester-, su youtube molti l'hanno spostata\n<jester-> cerca come hanno fatto\n<jester-> queli files hanno taroccato\n<Dooc> jester-, ho cercato ma invano\n<jester-> qui si trattano solo problemi di serie\n<itDany83> Salve a tutti\n<calimer82> salve\n<itDany83> Ho bisogno di aiuto, in quanto io inesperto del mondo di ubuntu\n<itDany83> Piacere mi presento mi chiamo Daniele ho 30 anni. Il mio problema riguarda l'installazione di una derivata di ubuntu quale xubuntu su un netbook hp mini 110\n<itDany83> Se qualcuno sa aiutarmi ne sarei felicissimo\n<itDany83> Non ce nessuno che sa aiutarmi\n<Dix78> itDany83 che problema hai di preciso?\n<itDany83> Il mio problema riguarda l'installazione di una derivata di ubuntu quale xubuntu su un netbook hp mini 110\n<Dix78> si itDany83 ho capito... ma non sai come creare il disco, si blocca l'installazione...cerca di essere più preciso per favore\n<itDany83> Praticamente il mio netbook ha gia 4 partizioni di sistema per il ripristino e non riesco a partizionare con gparted\n<Dix78> itDany83 ma devi installare ubuntu e utilizzare solo quello o vuoi fare un dual boot con un altro sistema operativo?\n<itDany83> un dual boot\n<itDany83> pero quando lo acquistato il disco e gia partizionato in 4 artizioni\n<Dix78> itDany83 hai provato a modificare le partizioni da live?\n<itDany83> perche per ora volevo tenere sia windows che linux\n<itDany83> e poi quando avevo padronanza di linux eliminare windows\n<itDany83> si mi dice che non posso creare piu di 4 partizioni\n<itDany83> ora io volevo sapere se potevo eliminare una delle 4 per far spazio a linux pero non so se poi posso ripristinare di nuovo windows con i disci di ripristino\n<itDany83> Torno tra un po a dopo\n<calimer82> ragazzi perchè quando inserisco le cuffie il volume è bassissimo?\n<TaLaDo> calimer82, cntrolla i livelli in alsamixer\n<calimer82> ciao talado\n<calimer82> come devo fare?\n<TaLaDo> calimer82, apri un terminale e digita alsamixer\n<calimer82> fatto\n<TaLaDo> calimer82, contrlla i vari lvelli\n<krabador> calimer82, che hai rotto?\n<TaLaDo> lol\n<calimer82> ciao krabador\n<krabador> ciao\n<krabador> :)\n<calimer82> eh si sente bassissimo\n<calimer82> con le cuffie\n<krabador> calimer82, stai usando quale ubuntu?\n<calimer82> il 12.10\n<calimer82> l ho rimesso\n<calimer82> l ho tolto\n<calimer82> quello di ieri\n<calimer82> è verginello\n<calimer82> :d\n<calimer82> :D\n<krabador> allora, apri il terminale, e digita alsa-mixer\n<calimer82> sisi ce l ho\n<Jopageri> Salve\n<krabador> bene, li ci sono tutti i livelli di tutte le uscite\n<calimer82> e quale devo vedere?\n<krabador> master, pcm\n<krabador> calimer82, è un notebook?\n<calimer82> nono\n<calimer82> un pc desk\n<krabador> !image | calimer82\n<ubot-it> calimer82: Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<krabador> magari fai uno screenshot e mettilo li\n<krabador> col tasto stamp\n<calimer82> cosa si preme per lo screenshoot?\n<calimer82> ah ok\n<calimer82> non mi ricordavo\n<krabador> :)\n<calimer82> mannacc a bubbazz\n<calimer82> http://imagebin.org/258553\n<krabador> calimer82, se premi f6 che ti dice?\n<TaLaDo> ora escono 20 schede diverse :P\n<calimer82> aspè\n<calimer82> predefinita\n<krabador> TaLaDo, :D\n<calimer82> hda intel\n<krabador> calimer82, allora, adesso vai nelle opzioni audio\n<calimer82> ok\n<krabador> calimer82, dimmi quante e come si chiamano le uscite\n<calimer82> 2\n<calimer82> ouptot digitale\n<calimer82> uscita analogica\n<krabador> calimer82, posta pure uno screen della schermata\n<calimer82> http://imagebin.org/258555\n<TaLaDo> calimer82, prova ad aumentare semplicemente il volume in uscita\n<calimer82> ok\n<calimer82> si ora si sente\n<calimer82> grazie talado\n<TaLaDo> lol\n<calimer82> grazie krabador\n<calimer82> grazie uaglions\n<calimer82> :D\n<krabador> calimer82, fai partire un audio, e vedi la differenza se da alsa-mixer alzi il pcm\n<krabador> calimer82, ....\n<TaLaDo> dai stavi scherzando\n<calimer82> nono\n<calimer82> ho alzato\n<mondocane> scusate ma che versione di xchat e' quella di imagebin (se e' xchat)\n<calimer82> ma perchè sul desktop è al massimo\n<TaLaDo> no? allora è grave :|\n<krabador> mondocane, quale imagebin\n<mondocane> questo http://imagebin.org/258555\n<krabador> calimer82, se hai alzato il volume nelle opzioni audio\n<krabador> in base al livello che ho visto\n<krabador> adesso rischi la distorsione\n<calimer82> ? non sto capendo\n<krabador> calimer82, per il momento non fa niente\n<krabador> se non riscontri problemi\n<calimer82> ok\n<krabador> mondocane, non è xchat\n<BED75_> Ciao\n<krabador> BED75_, che problemi hai con l'installazione?\n<BED75_> allora dopo aver lanciato l'installazione dal cd mi esce la scritta :\n<BED75_> this kernel requires the following features not present on the cpu :\n<BED75_> pae\n<BED75_> Unable to boot\n<krabador> BED75_, che cpu hai?\n<BED75_> ho un notebook\n<BED75_> intel pentium\n<BED75_> 1.4 ghz\n<krabador> BED75_, quale versione di ubuntu hai scaricato?\n<BED75_> la 13.04\n<BED75_> l'ultima\n<BED75_> piu' datate non le trovo nel doenload\n<krabador> BED75_, allora, devi scaricare una versione di ubuntu a 32bit\n<krabador> con kernel generic\n<BED75_> la trovo nella sezione dowlnload?\n<krabador> BED75_, hai scaricato l'ultima versione , di ubuntu normale?\n<BED75_> io ho scaricato ubuntu 13.04 per desktop a 32 bit\n<krabador> BED75_, per quella cpu ti converrebbe utilizzare una derivata con ambiente grafico piu' leggero\n<krabador> quanta ram hai?\n<BED75_> la ram è 512 ddr sdram\n<BED75_> quindi una derivata tipo xubuntu o lubunto ?\n<krabador> ecco, si, prova lubuntu i386\n<krabador> qui\n<krabador> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/13.04/release/\n<BED75_> allora provero' con quella\n<BED75_> mi è andato in crash windows xp e devo recuperare dei file dal disco fisso con un avvio da cd... con lubuntu è possibile farlo senza installare ?\n<krabador> si\n<krabador> la lanci in live\n<BED75_> ok\n<krabador> e accedi tranquillamente al disco\n<krabador> basta fare \"prova senza installare\" , all'avvio del cs\n<krabador> cd\n<BED75_> perfetto allora provo con questa versione .... grazie mille\n<krabador> di niente.\n<BED75_> a risenterci nel caso dovessi avere ancora problemi e complimenti per il servizio che date ...lodevole\n<itDany83> Rieccomi scusate per il ritardo son dovuto uscire\n<itDany83> Rispiego il mio problema\n<itDany83> Qualcuno a gia avuto occasione di installare xubuntu su un netbook Hp mini 210-1100\n<glpiana> itDany83, che problemi incontri?\n<itDany83> con gparted non mi fa creare le partizioni per installare la distro perche ce ne sono gia 4 create per i dischi di ripristino\n<itDany83> di windows\n<glpiana> itDany83, prima di toccare una situazione del genere mi assicurerei di riuscire a ripristinare il disco esattamente come è ora\n<itDany83> appunto ti spiego come sono le partizioni\n<itDany83> sono chiamate esattamente sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4\n<itDany83> nella prima da 199 mb ha la etichetta SYSTEM\n<itDany83> nella seconda non ce etichetta e d è da 217 gb\n<itDany83> la terza è da 15, 65gb ed e la recovery e l'ultima e una fat32 chiamata HP_TOOLS\n<itDany83> Ora le prime tre sono ntfs l'ultima e fat32\n<glpiana> itDany83, ti fermo un attimo\n<itDany83> ok dimmi pure\n<filippo> salve, su un vecchio pc con solo 40 GB totali di hhd mi conviene fare la partizione /home? Se si con quanti GB?\n<glpiana> itDany83, per poter procedere con una installazione, una delle partizioni primarie andrebbe eliminata. andrebbe quindi creata al suo posto una partizione estesa, dentro la quale puoi creare tutto ciò che vuoi\n<ubuntian> ho u problema\n<glpiana> itDany83, ma procedere in questo senso vuol dire eliminare una partizione che magari è necessaria al corretto funzionamento del tuo pc o alla validità della garanzia\n<itDany83> appunto non so se la sda4 chiamata HP_TOOLS la posso eliminare ho serve per il ripristino\n<glpiana> itDany83, per questo dicevo già sopra che prima di procedere inq ualsiasi modo dovresti assicurarti di poter ripristinare allo stato attuale il disco\n<itDany83> diciamo che la garanzia e scaduta\n<glpiana> itDany83, e io ne so meno di te. magari sul manuale del tuo pc trovi informazioni al riguardo\n<itDany83> il problema che non mi hanno dato manuale era gia tutto pre installato\n<itDany83> io ho creato i dischi di ripristino\n<ubuntian> il mio problema è che che cerco di installare ubuntu in un pc (acer aspire 1300), tutto va alla meglio ma quando arriva alla fine della registrazione si vede tutto a strisce\n<itDany83> ti spiego intanto voleo installare in dual boot per imparare ad usare linux e poi eliminavo windows una volta preso coscenza delle funzionalita di linux\n<glpiana> itDany83, puoi avviare un livecd (o live usb) e collegarti qui?\n<filippo> salve, su un vecchio pc con solo 40 GB totali di hhd mi conviene fare la partizione /home? Se si con quanti GB?\n<calimer82> ragazzi dinuovo sento bassissimo\n<calimer82> per colpa delle cuffie , come devo fare?\n<glpiana> calimer82, sei riuscito ad alzare il volume in qualche modo prima?\n<calimer82> si è al massimo\n<glpiana> O.o\n<calimer82> ma con le cuffie sento bassissimo\n<glpiana> calimer82, parlo del volume delle cuffie\n<calimer82> e dove sta?\n<glpiana> -.-\n<calimer82> scusa della mia ignoranza\n<calimer82> per\n<glpiana> calimer82, hai scritto che \"di nuovo \" senti bassissimo. io intendo che sei ricaduto nuovamente in un problema\n<glpiana> calimer82, tu invece intendi che sei sempre nella stessa situazione di prima?\n<calimer82> si\n<TaLaDo> ?\n<glpiana> calimer82, ti avevano fatto aprire alsamixer se non ricordo male\n<calimer82> sisi\n<TaLaDo> calimer82, ma se hai detto che prima sentivi bene\n<calimer82> lo riapro?\n<calimer82> poi ho rimesso le casse\n<calimer82> le ho tolte\n<calimer82> e dinuovo con le cuffie si sente basso\n<calimer82> :(\n<glpiana> calimer82, e se rifai quello che hai fatto prima?\n<calimer82> non cambia niente\n<calimer82> si sente basso\n<TaLaDo> bho\n<glpiana> calimer82, mentre prima il volume si era alzato?\n<calimer82> sisi\n<calimer82> ho solo tolto e rimesso le cuffie\n<TaLaDo> calimer82, vai in impostazioni audio e guarda il volume\n<calimer82> è impostato su uscita analogica e sta al 100\n<adam__1> ciao sto provando da un po a provare a vedere il livello di inchiostro dalla stampante, ma da questo risultato http://paste.ubuntu.com/5690204/\n<TaLaDo> calimer82, e in alsamixer è tutto a posto?\n<calimer82> quale parametro devo vedere?\n<TaLaDo> master gdm\n<TaLaDo> o cme cavlo si chiama\n<calimer82> master si\n<TaLaDo> headphne?\n<TaLaDo> *headphone\n<calimer82> sempre 100\n<TaLaDo> calimer82, sicuro che hai inserito bene lo spinotto delle cuffie?\n<calimer82> ora rimetto\n<calimer82> ok ho cambiato cuffie\n<calimer82> sono rotte le cuffie\n<calimer82> :(\n<TaLaDo> :P\n<TaLaDo> pareva stran\n<mondocane> :)\n<calimer82> grazie talado\n<uait> scusate\n<uait> su gimp qualcuno mi sa dire come mai spariscono i filtri?\n<Mario__> Ciao a tutti, non so se sono nel posto giusto, ho un problema con lubuntu 13.04, ce qualcuno che può darmi una mano ?\n<akhilleus> ciao a tutti\n<akhilleus> ciao crstian_c ed M\n<akis24> ciao\n<Jopageri> Salve\n<Jopageri> qualcuno che mi aiuta con Ubuntu 13.04 e installazione da usb?\n<Jopageri> ?\n<akis24> Jopageri: vuoi installare ubuntu 13.04 su usb ?\n<akis24> !installazione\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<BED75> ciao\n<davide_> come va, raga\n<BED75> Qualcuno mi puo' aiutare per problemi di installazione ?\n<davide_> dimmi\n<BED75> ho provato a lanciare ubuntu 13.04 desktop a 32 bit dal cd ma mi usciva :\n<BED75> This kernel requires the folowing features not present on the cpu - Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU\n<BED75> su consiglio di krabador ho provato con lubuntu 13.04 desktop a 32 bit perchè il mio notebook ha solo 512 mb di ram\n<BED75> è partito gli ho dato la selezione della lingua in italiano e il riavvio senza installazione ma poi esce ancora òla stessa dicitura di prima :\n<BED75> This kernel requires the folowing features not present on the cpu - Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU\n<davide_> dice che la cpu non è compatibile, cambia distro\n<BED75> cambio cosa scusa?\n<davide_> il tuo pc supporta l'avvio da cd-rom\n<BED75> si\n<krabador> BED75, vuol dire che anche il kernel di lubuntu è PAE\n<krabador> e non generic\n<krabador> BED75, aspetta.\n<BED75> ah ok grazie\n<davide_> guarda il kernel\n<krabador> BED75, a prescindere da ubuntu adesso\n<BED75> si\n<krabador> BED75, tu vuoi caricare una sessione live per recuperare i dati, o per installare il sistema operativo?\n<BED75> per recuperare dati\n<krabador> allora puoi evitare ubuntu, direttamente\n<krabador> che fare un boot non pae , è una cosa un po' lunga\n<BED75> quindi per recuperare dati che consigli ?\n<BED75> smonto il disco fisso .... etc etc\n<BED75> o altri rimedi software ?\n<krabador> BED75, l disco fisso .... etc etc\n<krabador> <BED75> o altri rimedi software ?\n<krabador> ops\n<krabador> scusa\n<krabador> http://partedmagic.com/doku.php#.UZzSNHxs0W0\n<BED75> uso questo software\n<BED75> caspita ci vuole un po di esperienza non a livello amatoriale per quel software mi pare ?\n<krabador> BED75, non te la prendere, ma qui si fa supporto ubuntu\n<BED75> hai perfettamente ragione !!!!\n<krabador> BED75, se, in ogni caso lo mandi in live, hai interfaccia grafica\n<BED75> ok\n<BED75> grazie per il supporto\n<BED75> buon lavoro\n<krabador> ciao\n<tatiscio> chi mia aiuta con problema a portachiave google chrome\n<tatiscio_> problema con portachiave google chrome\n<tatiscio_> aiuto\n<Emanuele_Deriu> sera mi potete aiutare a condividere una cartella su xubuntu?\n<jester-> Emanuele_Deriu: nel senso?\n<Emanuele_Deriu> condividere in rete\n<Emanuele_Deriu> tramite samba\n<Emanuele_Deriu> con ubuntu basta fare tasto destro e fare condividi cartella ma su xubuntu non so come fare\n<jester-> Emanuele_Deriu: installa system-config-samba su entrambi i pc poi usalo per settare la condivisione\n<Emanuele_Deriu> c'è già \n<jester-> allora usalo, se non hai sminchiato smb.conf funza\n<Emanuele_Deriu> come lo apro?\n<Emanuele_Deriu> non ho toccato niente\n<jester-> Emanuele_Deriu: vedi nel menu amministrazione\n<Unity> Ciao a tutti come posso mettere la barra unity in basso ? come questo video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ciZiD4xvbA\n<Emanuele_Deriu> jester-, su xubuntu c'è gigolo che dovrebbe essere l'alternativa per usare samba ma non lo so usare\n<jester-> Emanuele_Deriu: sudo apt-get install system-config-samba\n<jester-> o parliamo di aria fritta\n<Emanuele_Deriu> system-config-samba è già alla versione più recente.\n<jester-> gksu system-config-samba\n<Matt_91> Emanuele_Deriu: io ci installerei nautilus XD\n<Emanuele_Deriu> poi diventa lentissimo Matt_91\n<Matt_91> Emanuele_Deriu: dipende dal pc, comunque segui jester- che sei in buone mani ;)\n<jester-> setta e poi sfoglia la rete dal file manager\n<jester-> Emanuele_Deriu: le cartelle condivise devono essere nella home\n<Emanuele_Deriu> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/istantanea-22052013-171941.php\n<jester-> Emanuele_Deriu: hai cannibalizzato smb.conf\n<Emanuele_Deriu> non l'ho aperto D:\n<jester-> ma scassato è\n<jester-> Emanuele_Deriu: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/501061/smb.conf\n<jester-> rimpiazza\n<jester-> Emanuele_Deriu: wget https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/501061/smb.conf e lo trovi nella home\n<Emanuele_Deriu> ho aggiunto una cartella e me la vede\n<Emanuele_Deriu> ok apposto grazie jester-\n<Guest86756> buona sera, volevo fare l' aggiornamento di ubuntu da 12.04 a 13.04, volevo essere sicura, prima di farlo, di non perdere i dati attuali. Non c'è rischi vero per i dati?\n<Emanuele_Deriu> in teoria no\n<Emanuele_Deriu> ma se fai un backup è meglio\n<Berto> Salve a tutti\n<Berto> Avrei bisogno di un chiarimento\n<Berto> c'è qualcuno che può dedicarmi qualche minuto?\n<Emanuele_Deriu> !chiedi\n<ubot-it> per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<Berto> Ho appena installato ubuntu 13.04 versione amd64, e per vedere se aveva riconosciuto la scheda video ho aperto dettagli dalle impostazioni di sistema, e mi dice su grafica: Gallium 0.4 on AMD CEDAR, io ho un ati radeon hd 5450 1 gb, ha già riconosciuto da se la scheda? Se vado su software e aggiornamenti e poi su driver aggiuntivi mi da la possibilità di usare i driver open source testati e quelli del proprietario, però anche appl\n<Berto> rimane scritto quello che dico all'inizio\n<Berto> quindi significa che i driver sono già installati correttamente o che ne posso installare di migliori? Quali sono i migliori?\n<jester-> Berto: di sicuro sta usando il radeon open a se driver aggiuntivi consigli il non open lo puoi provare\n<jester-> lo attivi e vedi ll'effetto che fa\n<pippuccio76> Salve a tutti , come faccio a vedere se cups parte all'avvio?\n<Berto> ma dopo che lo seleziono e metto applica modifiche non mi chiede nemmeno di riavviare, significa che è già attivo o che per finirlo di attivare devo fare qualche altra operazione?\n<jester-> berto se attivo ha il pallino verde e comunque se appena attivato devi riavviare\n<mondocane> pippuccio76, con rcconf\n<jester-> pippuccio76: anche da programmi avvio\n<Berto> allora riavvio e vi faccio sapere, che per adesso mi spunta soltanto arancione\n<pippuccio76> jester ho lubuntu ....\n<jester-> pippuccio76: non conosco\n<jester-> pippuccio76: installa ed usa bum per configurare i servizi\n<pippuccio76> un altra cosa , come mai non mi appaiono + in automatico gli aggiornamenti di sistema?\n<jester-> pippuccio76: se non ce ne sono non appaiono e comunque lubuntu per non spreare risorse non lo prevede\n<jester-> sprecare*\n<pippuccio76> jester devo avere il sistema un po sminchiato guarda: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5690936/\n<jester-> sudo dpkg --configure -a\n<jester-> apt-get -f install\n<pippuccio76> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5690941/\n<jester-> hai sinchiato pure il fs, è montato in sola lettura\n<pippuccio76> reinstallo tutto o c'è verso di risistemarlo?\n<jester-> che dev è\n<jester-> sd??\n<pippuccio76> sda1\n<anakinsane> Salve\n<anakinsane> ho bisogno di aiuto per una partizione btrfs\n<anakinsane> ci sto su da 4 ore google non mi è di aiuto\n<anakinsane> qualcuno riesca a darmi supporto?\n<anakinsane> sto cercando di recuperare i dati con un CD Live su una partizione btrfs\n<anakinsane> non mi fa accedere neanche da terminale con sudo su\n<jester-> pippuccio76: dove sta /\n<jester-> se non lo si rimonta in rw va una sega\n<pippuccio76> in sda1\n<jester-> pippuccio76: sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/sda1 /\n<jester-> anakinsane: btrfs sarebbe?\n<pippuccio76> jester : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5690970/\n<jester-> pippuccio76: sudo mount -t ext4 -o remount,rw /dev/sda1 /\n<pippuccio76> jester : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5690977/\n<anakinsane> da nautilus me l'ha già montato\n<anakinsane> smonto e lancio \"mount - o remount,rw?\n<anakinsane> dunque ripeto sto da live CD ora ho smontato tutte le partizioni qui l'fdisk http://paste.ubuntu.com/5690997/\n<anakinsane> ubuntu@ubuntu:/# mount -o remount,rw /dev/sda7 mount: can't find /dev/sda7 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab\n<pippuccio76> jester- che faccio?\n<anakinsane> pippuccio e jester ma state parlando con me, o risolvendo altri problemi? :/\n<pippuccio76> io latriu problemi...\n<jester-> pippuccio76: sicuro che sia sda1?\n<jester-> pippuccio76: fa vedere cosa risponde mount\n<pippuccio76> mount sda1?\n<jester-> pippuccio76: mount e basta\n<jester-> 555555\n<pippuccio76> jester- : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5691016/\n<jester-> pippuccio76: sda1 è giusto ma dice protetto da scrittura è un disco?\n<pippuccio76> si un sata da 160 partizionato...\n<jester-> non capisco come puo essere protetto da scrittura\n<jester-> hai combinato qualcosa?\n<pippuccio76> in che senso?\n<jester-> magari con gparted\n<pippuccio76> no...\n<jester-> come fa ad essere protetto\n<mettiu> ciao devo ridimensionare le foto, in una cartella. ho trovasto questo comando\n<mettiu> mogrify -resize 500x500 DSC_0001.JPG\n<jester-> mettiu: usare gimp?\n<mettiu> funziona se metto la foto che si chiama DSC_001.jpq\n<mettiu> jester-,\n<mettiu> come faccio ?\n<mettiu> sono molte foto\n<mettiu> non solo 1\n<jester-> mettiu: prova *.jpg\n<jester-> fai una copia prima\n<pippuccio76> jester- piallo?\n<mettiu> non va jester\n<jester-> pippuccio76: direi di si\n<bodom> mettiu: usa imagemagick\n<mettiu> mogrify mogrify: Unable to open file (*.jpg) [File o directory non esistente].\n<mettiu> cosa è imagick ?\n<jester-> fara un file alla volta\n<mettiu> no non fa niente\n<jester-> ci vuole uno script che non so fare, forse\n<bodom> mettiu: http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/resize/#resize\n<pippuccio76> mi consigliate qualche rolling decente\n<pippuccio76> che possa utilizzare la home che già ho....\n<mettiu> ma il comando mogrify\n<bodom> mettiu: sudo apt-get install imagemagick per installarlo\n<mettiu> un avolta installato ?\n<bodom> mettiu: convert -resize 500x500 *.JPG, più o meno: vedi il link\n<bodom> mettiu: se non prendi l'asterisco, puoi fare un loop con bash: for file in *.JPG; do convert \"$file\" -resize 500x500 \"$file.resized.jpg\"; done\n<bodom> mettiu: i loop sono spiegati qua: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-7.html\n<huhh> salve\n<huhh> come tolgo ubuntu dal pc e rimetto win?\n<huhh> nessuno sa aiutarmi??\n<enzotib> huhh, hai il disco di win?\n<huhh> enzotib: si ho il disco di win\n<enzotib> huhh, e allora inserisci quello e fai una installazione normale, prendendo tutto il disco\n<huhh> enzotib: non lo riconosce! anche con bios impostato!\n<enzotib> huhh, non è possibile, o il bios non è impostato bene oppure il cd ha qualche difetto o magari non è un cd avviabile. In ogni caso non può essere un problema di ubuntu\n<huhh> enzotib: il bios è impostato su cd! il disco funziona! perchè con quel disco ho instasllato win anche su un altro pc\n<enzotib> huhh, va bene, come vuoi\n<huhh> enzotib: come risolvo!\n<huhh> enzotib: nemmeno da chiavetta bootoble parte win!\n<huhh> con bios settato e tutto!\n<huhh> e la chiavetta funziona!\n<enzotib> huhh, ti ho detto il mio parere, non è ubuntu il problema\n<huhh> enzotib: che non fosse ubuntu il problema lo davo per certo!\n<huhh> anche perchè con ubuntu live usb avevo formattato tutto il pc in fat 32\n<huhh> enzotib: e nemmeno così partiva l'installazione di win\n<enzotib> huhh, e allora se il problema non è ubuntu, perché vieni a chiedere qui?\n<huhh> enzotib: non sono un esperto! a mio parere il problema non è di ubuntu! magari voi potevate sapere che il problema era di ubuntu\n<huhh> enzotib: non so se mi sono spiegato\n<enzotib> huhh, ora che tu dici che non è ubuntu e io ti dico che non è ubuntu, siamo d'accordo\n<enzotib> e questo significa che non devi chiedere qui\n<huhh> enzotib: SIMPATIA PORTAMI VIA proprio\n<Andrea> ciao ragazzi...qualcuno potrebbe darmi una mano?\n<huhh> enzotib: tua moglie non te la da più? fammi capire...\n<Guest44507> ?\n<Guest44507> ho installato ubuntu ma non riesco a configurare la wii fi...qualcuno mi potrebbe aiutare?\n<help-me01> ho appena installato ubuntu..ma ho problemi con la wii fi qualcuno di voi mi potrebbe aiutare per favore?\n<enzotib> help-me01, che tipo di problemi?\n<help-me01> credo che bisogni configurare la scheda di rete\n<help-me01> ma non so come si fa\n<help-me01> praticamente ho un router alice e devo collegarmi con ubuntu...ma non ci riesco\n<enzotib> help-me01, se clicchi sull'icona della rete, in alto a destra, dice qualcosa rigurado al wifi?\n<help-me01> n\n<help-me01> no\n<enzotib> help-me01, apri un terminale e scrivi iwconfig, metti tutto quello che esce su pastebin\n<enzotib> !pastebin | help-me01\n<ubot-it> help-me01: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<help-me01> facendo iwconfig mi dice \"lo no wireless extension eth0 no wireless extension\"\n<enzotib> help-me01, ok, allora lspci -k, sempre su pastebin\n<help-me01> non posso incollare lo stamp video perchè sta su un altro pc\n<help-me01> immagino vi interessi il network controller\n<enzotib> help-me01, non hai un cavo di rete per collegarti? oppure puoi usare un file di testo per salvare le info, e una pendrive per trasferire il file\n<help-me01> niente cavo :(\n<Sid__> salve a tutti come faccio ad installare microsoft office?\n<Sid__> qualcuno potrebbe spiegarmelo bene passo per passo\n<Sid__> magari se riuscire via email a questo indirizzo perchè adesso devo andare: simonesidanelli@gmail.com\n<Sid__> grazie in anticipo ciao a tutti\n<krabador> !office | Sid__\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'office'\n<krabador> .\n<enzotib> -.-'\n<pippuccio76> jester- non ho ancora formattato doveva essere un problema temporaneo ... ho però un problema con un pacchetto che non riesco a rimuovere ne ha reinstallare....\n<it-39> sera\n<help-me01> raga...qualcuno mi sa dire come faccio a capire se la scheda di rete è installata?\n<help-me01> e se è installata corrttamente?\n<krabador> help-me01, wi-fi?\n<my_mind_says> buona sera\n<my_mind_says> ho appena installato xubuntu 12.04 su una macchina e mi chiedevo come mai quando vado per vedere i video i fullscreen su vlc media player mi compare il pannello insime al video\n<my_mind_says> invece di scomparire mostrando solo in video in questione...\n<krabador> my_mind_says, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/1005175\n<krabador> una cosa nota\n<my_mind_says> eh stavo vedendo...\n<my_mind_says> quindi non c'è soluzione...\n<krabador> my_mind_says, http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=97996\n<krabador> my_mind_says, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1981951\n<martina> durante l'installazione di ubuntu avviene la riformattazione se si sta occupando un intero hd oppure no?\n<Dix78> jgk.k\n<Dix78> utilizzando xubuntu è possibile vedere Ubuntu One nell'elenco programmi invece che dover aprire sempre il gestore delle impostazioni?\n<Norby26> ciao\n<Norby26> Posso fare ''pubblicità '' ad una mia discussione nella quale espongo un problema?\n<Norby26> http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?f=95&t=558482\n<robottinosino> ho una macchina ubuntu alla quale ho solo accesso tramite ssh :( interfaccia eth0 è in DHCP, dovrebbe essere ip statico\n<robottinosino> arrivo tramite una card wifi messa \"di stramacchio\"\n<robottinosino> ho root, come cambio nella maniera appropriata eth0 (in modo che al riavvio sia su e con l'ip giusto, etc..)\n<robottinosino> (finora usavo Network > Wired > Options > IPv4 Settings)\n<enzotib> robottinosino, devi mettere le info in /etc/network/interfaces\n<robottinosino> ciao enzotib, grazie..\n<enzotib> ciao robottinosino\n * robottinosino legge man interfaces..\n<enzotib> robottinosino, http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch03_:_Linux_Networking#The_iface_Stanza\n<robottinosino> enzotib: grazie 1024 per il link! :) trovo molto interessante che molti esempi abbiano, in una stanza di tipo auto, per il protocollo tcp/ip definito tramite metodo statico , opzioni tipo \"network\" che, a leggere 'man interfaces' non appaiono!\n<robottinosino> mi chiedo dove sia documentato l'uso di \"network\" visto che non è nella man page.. (dimostrazione: man interfaces | grep --color=always '\\<network\\>')\n<enzotib> boh :)\n<robottinosino> incredibile. la man page non ha l'opzione ed essa non è in altre man page affiliate. whoa.\n<robottinosino> scatta il bug report?\n<robottinosino> forse la gente non legge più le man page come me e guarda direttamente su google? sono confuso.. o.0\n<enzotib> robottinosino, s'ha da vedere se funziona quella cosa\n<enzotib> magari è una cosa vecchia non più supportata\n<robottinosino> nel senso che la gente semplicemente mette cose a caso su google e tutti copiano? ah ah ah ... sarebbe davvero la vittoria del sitema \"leggiti la man page\"..\n<robottinosino> ma non voglio sperare tanto\n<robottinosino> c'è un modo di disabilitare questo sistema che cerca le wifi in automatico..\n<robottinosino> network-manager?\n<robottinosino> ma senza perderne la configurazione per sempre, solo dicendo: stai buonino per una ventina di minuti, mentre lavoro sul serio, poi torna a giocare alla caccia al tesoro wifi..\n<enzotib> robottinosino, disabilitare la connessione automatica ?\n<robottinosino> ho una rete wifi che va e che viene, quando va.. mi toglie anche la lan, seppure sia un ip fisso e cavo ben collegato..\n<enzotib> robottinosino, togli il flag \"connessione automatica\" alla conf di quella rete wifi\n<robottinosino> enzotib: grazie, proverò..\n<yousiry> hi\n<Valgio63> Salve a tutti! Stasera vorrei fare un passo in più. Come faccio a creare il pacchetto .deb partendo dal sorgente?\n<Valgio63> C'è nessuno?\n<NaS> qualcuno sveglio che puo' darmi una mano?\n<Valgio63> NaS, dipende su cosa, la vorrei anch'io!\n<Valgio63> ma sembra che stasera siano tutti già a nanna!\n<Dix78> !nessuno\n<ubot-it> se nessuno parla in canale non significa che non ci siano utenti attivi. Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno vorrà rispondervi lo farà \n<Valgio63> Ok, ripeto: come faccio a creare un pacchetto .deb partendo dal sorgente?\n<Valgio63> Ok , notte a tutti!\n<URUS> problemma aggiornamento ubuntu\n<URUS> ubuntu 13.04 ubuntu mi sta crando unn sacco di problemmi\n<cri> ciao\n<URUS> cri: ciao cricri\n<cri> URUS: ciao\n<cri> URUS: se vuoi provare una derivata di arch\n<URUS> cri: na\n<cri> passo si la non mi so accorto del canale XD\n<Guest54240> scusatemi mi ero assentato\n<Guest54240> io volevo solo sapere se per autentificarsi a un dominio windows occorre per forza di cose la pass di amministratore del dominio\n<Guest54240> ergo sono in una rete con dc e volevo usare linux ma provando likewise mi richiede la pass di amministratore\n<Guest54240> io ho un utente valido che uso da un pc windows\n<Guest54240> mi chiedo come sia possibile una cosa così, io normale utente di certo non ho quei privilegi e il sistemista di turno non penso possa girare il mondo per autentificare pc linux\n<Guest54240> grazie a chi risponde\n#ubuntu-it 2013-05-23\n<glpiana> ola\n<_Kalce_> buongiorno a tutti.\n<_Kalce_> io uso la 13.04 . Nel thunderbird ho notato che tra le preferenze , ce ne è una che mi consente di usare una rubirica remota. Io ho un undirizzo di posta con gmail. Direttamente nel sito ho salvato alcuni indirizzi. Quell' opzione si riferisce a quella rubrica? e se si.... come faccio ad impostarla?\n<cristian_c> salve\n<cristian_c> ho problemi con i tasti volume. Ad esempio, quando premo il tasto toggle (attiva/disattiva audio), si disattiva soltanto, ma non si riattiva premendolo nuovamente\n<cristian_c> in precedenza funzionava, ma ora non più, cosa per me abbastazanza misteriosa\n<cristian_c> Qualche idea?\n<hsdb> Salve a tutti...\n<hsdb> c'è qualcuno che mi può aiutare\n<hsdb> ???\n<glpiana> !aiuto\n<ubot-it> per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<jester-> !qualcuno | hsdb\n<ubot-it> hsdb: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<hsdb> ok\n<hsdb> sto cercando di installare ubuntu 13 su un power mac g5\n<hsdb> 2,0 ghz dual cpu\n<hsdb> una volta avviata la live e caricato il kernel e goduto della schermata nera con il logo ubuntu e i pallini che si caricano di sotto\n<hsdb> mi esce fuori una finestra con scritto che c'è un problema con la mia scheda grafica e che se si vuole procedere potrò farlo solo in bassa risoluzione\n<hsdb> faccio click su\n<hsdb> ok\n<hsdb> e poi mi appare un'altra finestra con varie opzioni, 1. avviare in bassa definizione per una sessione\n<hsdb> 2 troubleshooting\n<hsdb> 3 riconfigurare\n<hsdb> exit to console login\n<hsdb> dopo di che mi esce fuori schermo nero con la riga di comando e finisce qui\n<hsdb> alla luce di quanto esposto qualcuno può aiutarmi\n<hsdb> ???\n<hsdb> scheda grafica GEForce FX 5200\n<jester-> hsdb: è vecchia e non piu 100% supportata\n<hsdb> ok...\n<hsdb> posso superare il problema in qualche modo?\n<jester-> hsdb: cambiando cheda\n<hsdb> umh...\n<jester-> scheda o usare il driver open oppure quello consigliato in driver aggiuntivi ma avrai comunque problemi di risoluzione e rendering\n<hsdb> alcune distro di ubuntu sono fatte per pc vecchissimi...\n<hsdb> e ora questo non supporta\n<hsdb> mi va bene\n<jester-> hsdb: la retrocompatibilità non puo essere eterna\n<hsdb> io devo solo scrivere e andare su internet\n<jester-> hsdb: a meno che metti una distro altrettanto vecchia\n<jester-> tipo la serie 10.xx\n<hsdb> umh... poi posso aggiornare da li...\n<hsdb> ho capito...ma perchè non mi fa andare sul desktop anche se in bassa risoluzione\n<jester-> hsdb: aggiornando, p aprte che devi fare 27 passaggi, ti riporta al problema attuale\n<cristian_c> ho trovato una guida nel Cestino del wiki sul macbook\n<hsdb> http://askubuntu.com/questions/293509/ubuntu-13-04-with-nvidia-geforce-fx-5200\n<cristian_c> uno santarosa e uno calistoga\n<hsdb> ma da riga di comando posso entrare in safe mode su ubuntu e provare a scaricare i driver e vedere che succede\n<hsdb> ?\n<almaidinajad> ciao a tutti, ho un problema con l'audio in raring. Praticamente ad ogni avvio devo risettare i volumi che sembrano settarsi a valori predefiniti\n<hsdb> Scusami jester...sul sito della invidia c'è anche il driver per la scheda\n<hsdb> aggiornato ad aprile 2013\n<jester-> hsdb: provalo ma dovrebbe essere lo stesso che c'è nei repo, il 173 se non sbaglio\n<hsdb> mi puoi aiutare a caricare l'ambiente grafico\n<jester-> e ti toccherà cambiare la versione del gcc\n<jester-> hsdb: parti in ripristino al menu scelgi failsafex\n<hsdb> quindi ora faccio exit to console login\n<jester-> poi disinstalli il driver nvidia che hai eventualmente messo\n<hsdb> non ho messo mai nulla\n<jester-> e reinstalli il nouveau se lo hai segato\n<hsdb> è la prima volta...\n<jester-> vai di recovery allora e prova falisafex\n<hsdb> failsafex: command not found\n<hsdb> ubuntu@ubuntu: $ failsafex\n<jester-> hsdb: devi riavviare usare modolita ripristino o recovery che sia\n<jester-> arrivi a un menu\n<hsdb> ho riavviato\n<hsdb> welcome to yaboot version 1.3.16\n<jester-> hsdb: non i ripristino\n<hsdb> io sono con una live\n<jester-> hsdb: che è\n<hsdb> Io sto con una power mac g5\n<jester-> hsdb: non ububuntu mi pare\n<hsdb> è ubuntu\n<hsdb> per power pc\n<jester-> !macbook\n<ubot-it> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro\n<jester-> vedi un po nel wiki se c' il tuo tipo di mac\n<hsdb> il mio non è un mac book\n<hsdb> è un power mac g5\n<jester-> hsdb: hai preso la iso mac?\n<hsdb> si\n<jester-> hsdb: e guarda nel wiki\n<hsdb> !powermac\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'powermac'\n<jester-> hsdb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages\n<IraDivina> ciao sguanoz, qualcuno sa dirmi come e se è possibile creare un'applicazione per browser (quindi html css javascript) che permette di inviare comandi al computer tipo aprire un programma?\n<jester-> !chat | IraDivina\n<ubot-it> IraDivina: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<IraDivina> -.-\n<hsdb> devo scappere jester...grazie mille\n<almaidinajad> come mai i volumi (di registrazioine e riproduzione) si resettano ad ogni riavvio? c'è un modo per lasciarli fissi?\n<akis24> giorno\n<cristian_c> IraDivina, parli di trovare strumenti di sviluppo\n<cristian_c> ?\n<eugenio> ciao a tutti, a nessuno crasha mai skype durante una conversazione?\n<IraDivina> cristian_c, no, nel senso.. vedo ormai un sacco di programmi che non sono altro che piccoli bowser e mi chiedevo se ci fosse la possibilità da browser cliccare su un pulsante che ti apre per esempio gimp nel pc\n<cristian_c> eugenio, dipende\n<cristian_c> eugenio, che software usi, che pc hai?\n<cristian_c> almaidinajad, parli del montaggio?\n<almaidinajad> cristian_c, ogni volta che riavvio i volumi del microfono e delle casse si settano ad un volume diverso da quello impostato in precedenza da me\n<almaidinajad> Ho un fisso con Raring installato cristian_c\n<cristian_c> almaidinajad, beh, usare alsactl per salvare la configurazione\n<cristian_c> *usa\n<almaidinajad> cristian_c, ma è normale che tutte le impostazioni di sistema mi si resettano automaticamente?\n<cristian_c> almaidinajad, tutte quali?\n<almaidinajad> quelle che riguardano l'audio cristian_c\n<akis24> almaidinajad: puoi provare cosi a fissare volumi prima regola ovviamente sudo alsactl store - sudo alsactl restore\n<Liink> Salve a tutti, ho una stampate Epson Stylus SX130, sono riuscito ad installarla ma non riesco a scannerizzare, mi dice Nessun Scanner disponibile, per quale motivo ?\n<almaidinajad> ok, grazie akis24 provo e riavvio\n<akis24> di nulla\n<Liink> Vi prego, mi serve per lavoro, come posso risolvere _?\n<cristian_c> almaidinajad, ok, allora usa alsactl\n<almaidinajad> si ok grazie cristian_c\n<cristian_c> akis24, è quello che gli avevo detto\n<jester-> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<akis24> cristian_c: :)\n<cristian_c> akis24, :D\n<cristian_c> Liink, so che è supportata in linux\n<Liink> cristian_c: e allora perchè non funziona ?\n<akis24> Liink: i driver per lo scanner qui ...http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModule\n<Liink> akis24, mi dice 0 elementi...\n<cristian_c> Liink, soltanto un attimo\n<Liink> cristian_c, ok\n<jester-> Liink: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/StampantiScanner/EpsonMulti se non è supportata so cazzi\n<Liink> jester-, ma con ubuntu 11.04 funzionava\n<jester-> Liink: hai installato xsane\n<Liink> jester-, nop\n<Liink> no*\n<Liink> jester-, ora lo sto installando\n<jester-> poi lancia xsane da terminale\n<jester-> e vedi che fa\n<jester-> comunque guarda il link che ti ho incollato\n<akis24> Liink: .. iscan_2.29.1-5~usb0.1.ltdl3_i386.deb iscan_2.29.1-5~usb0.1.ltdl7_amd64.deb che li vedo solo io ? http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/du/02/DriverDownloadInfo.do?LG2=IT&CN2=&DSCMI=21580&DSCCHK=fc9bb422d982caa5b3624bbcde36cf92e1000838\n<Liink> jester-, mi dice \"NO device aviable\"\n<jester-> Liink: sudo xsane\n<Liink> akis24, ho scaricato quella per la versione a 64 e 32 bit, mi dice sul'ubuntu software center che la dipendenza non può essere soddisfatta\n<Liink> jester-, niente mi da lo stesso errore\n<jester-> Liink: = non è supportata\n<Liink> jester-, nooo e ora come faccio ?\n<jester-> Liink: che tipo è\n<Liink> jester-, sx 130\n<jester-> Liink: manco per lo scanner ci sono http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/StampantiScanner/ScannerEpson\n<jester-> Liink: non so che dirti\n<Liink> jester-, ok grazie mille\n<Liink> jester-, però sono riuscito ad installare iscan-data\n<cristian_c> Liink, supporto completo: Stylus SX130 Series\tUSB\t0x04b8/0x0883\tComplete\tall-in-one\n<cristian_c> Liink, ho controllato sul sito di sane\n<Liink> cristian_c: e allora perchè non mi funziona ?\n<jester-> Liink: toglila e reinstallala\n<Liink> jester-, ok provo\n<cristian_c> Liink, credo siano i permessi di root\n<cristian_c> Liink, hai provato la lanciare il programma con sudo?\n<Liink> cristian_c: no\n<cristian_c> 11:38:24 <jester-> Liink: sudo xsane\n<jester-> Liink: va?\n<IraDivina> cristian_c,\n<Liink> Eccomi, sudo xsane mi ha fatto andare in crash il sistema...\n<jester-> Liink: dai sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade\n<Liink> jester-, poi ?\n<jester-> Liink: ha fatto qualcosa?\n<jester-> Liink: sudo adduser $USER scanner\n<Liink> jester-, si alcuni aggiornamenti\n<Liink> jester-, poi dopo di sudo adduser $USER scanner\n<jester-> Liink: fatto?\n<Liink> jester-, si\n<jester-> termina sessione e rientra\n<Liink> jester-, ok\n<Liink_> Eccomi\n<jester-> Liink_: xsane\n<Liink_> jester-, stesso errore\n<jester-> Liink_: hai rimosso la stampante?\n<jester-> e poi reinstallata\n<jester-> impostazioni sistema\n<Liink_> jester-, si poi l'ho rimessa\n<Liink_> jester-, se vado nelle proprietà della stampante mi dice inattiva... perchè?\n<Liink_> ?\n<jester-> Liink_: spegila e riaccendila\n<jester-> ma se non stampa inattiva è\n<Liink_> jester-, e rido sempre xsane ?\n<jester-> eh\n<Liink_> jester-, niente.... sempre lo stesso errore\n<jester-> sudo xsane\n<Liink> Rieccomi... di nuovo\n<jester-> Liink: crash?\n<Liink> jester-, il broweser ....\n<jester-> Liink: nada?\n<Liink> jester-, no niente di niente\n<jester-> Liink: rimetti la 12.04 che 13-04 sarà buggato xsane\n<jester-> Liink: prova la live della 12,10\n<Liink> jester-, il problema che io ho la 12.04\n<jester-> Liink: avevi detto che 12.04 funzava\n<Liink> jester-, sulla 11.04 funzionava.. avevo scritto\n<cristian_c> Liink, un'ultima cosa\n<jester-> Liink: come hai aggirnato alla 12.04\n<jester-> aggiornato\n<cristian_c> Liink, hai installato robe, pacchetti, fatto altro?\n<Liink> cristian_c, ho fatto l'installazione da 0\n<cristian_c> Liink, e poi?\n<jester-> Liink: pacioccato sources.list?\n<Liink> cristian_c, e poi niente\n<cristian_c> Liink, cat /etc/apt/sources.list\n<Liink> jester-, nono\n<jester-> Liink: prova la live della 13.04\n<Liink> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5693235/\n<cristian_c> Liink, ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/\n<davide__> sul mio pc ho ubuntu 13.04 che windows 8 per canccemare windows e tenere solo ubuntu posso farlo o devo instalalre tutto da capo..\n<cristian_c> Liink, dpkg -l | grep scan\n<Liink> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5693238/\n<cristian_c> davide__, puoi cancellare\n<cristian_c> davide__, la partizione di winz\n<davide__> come faccio\n<jester-> i ppa si mettono da soli?\n<cristian_c> Liink, a parte quel jockey, non vedo cose distruttive\n<Liink> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5693247/\n<cristian_c> Liink, posta anche l'ultimo comando\n<cristian_c> ah, ok\n<cristian_c> guardo\n<cristian_c> davide__, uhm, un modo è avviare la live\n<cristian_c> davide__, e usare gparted\n<cristian_c> davide__, ma anche da sistema installato, tato la ntfs non è montata\n<cristian_c> davide__, ma è comunque è una cattiva idea\n<cristian_c> davide__, perché vuoi cancellare winz?\n<cristian_c> potreesti pentirtene\n<jester-> pessima idea segare winz\n<davide__> ho gparted installato, win lo cancello perchè dai un sacco di problemi con gli aggiornamenti, e antivirus\n<cristian_c> davide__, beh, non è facile configurarlo, ma io l'ho fatto\n<jester-> davide__: occhio che linux è alternativa non sostituto\n<jester-> come la moto alla magana\n<davide__> gparted installato.poi..\n<Liink> cristian_c: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5693247/\n<cristian_c> Liink, l'ho visto\n<Liink> cristian_c: ah okok scusami\n<cristian_c> Liink, credo tu debba installare i driver del sito per il tuo modello\n<cristian_c> sito epson\n<cristian_c> perché sta in external backend\n<Liink> cristian_c: l'ho fatto ma niente....\n<cristian_c> oppure vediamo se c'è il pacco nei repo\n<cristian_c> Liink, e li hai anche disinstallati?\n<Liink> cristian_c: no\n<cristian_c> perrché alcuni non compaiono\n<cristian_c> mmmmmm\n<cristian_c> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5693247/\n<cristian_c> c'è soltanto iscan_data\n<Liink> cristian_c: grazie mille dell'aiuto, anche se non funziona speriamo poi diventi compatibile\n<Liink> jester-: grazie mille dell'aiuto, anche se non funziona speriamo poi diventi compatibile\n<cristian_c> Liink, guarda che è compatibile\n<jester-> Liink: pigliati una hp officejet 4500 rete e 50 / 60\n<cristian_c> Liink, http://www.epson.it/it/it/viewcon/corporatesite/products/mainunits/support/10839\n<cristian_c> Liink, vai qui: http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/du/02/DriverDownloadInfo.do?LG2=IT&CN2=&DSCMI=21580&DSCCHK=fc9bb422d982caa5b3624bbcde36cf92e1000838\n<cristian_c> Liink, fai clic su Accetto\n<marchino_> ciao\n<marchino_> da dove scarico una versione LIVE\n<marchino_> di ubuntu?\n<marchino_> vorrei far partire il sistema operativo da CD/DVD\n<TaLaDo> http://releases.ubuntu.com/raring/\n<marchino_> ubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.iso questa va bene?\n<marchino_> ma da dove capisco se è live?\n<TaLaDo> sn tutte live\n<marchino_> ah tutte?\n<marchino_> e se volessi installarlo?\n<TaLaDo> quando la lanci ti chiede se vui installare o prvare\n<marchino_> ok perfetto\n<marchino_> gentilissimo\n<marchino_> ti ringrazio! la sto già scaricando\n<marchino_> :D\n<marchino_> grazie! Ciao ciao\n<carlo65> Su un disco da 500Gb dopo aver installato xp. Da xp ho installato ubuntu 12.04. Quando avvio scelgo se partire con xp oppure con ubuntu.\n<cristian_c> carlo65, con wubi?\n<carlo65> Il problema che ho usando ubuntu, è che mi dice che ho poco spazio. Come faccio ad aumentare lo spazio?\n<cristian_c> carlo65, posta: sudo fdisk -l\n<cristian_c> !pastebin | carlo65\n<ubot-it> carlo65: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<carlo65> Ho usato gestore dischi per creare una partizione ext4 da 54 GB\n<carlo65> La partizione c'e ma lo spazio non viene riconosciuto. Provo con sudo fdisk -l\n<cristian_c> ok\n<carlo65> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5693500/plain/\n<almaidinajad> ciao a tutti non riesco a bloccare il volume di registrazione del microfono. ho già provato con alsactl\n<cristian_c> carlo65, non hai postato l'output del comando\n<cristian_c> almaidinajad, che comando hai digitato?\n<almaidinajad> sudo alsactl store , cristian_c\n<almaidinajad> ho riavviato ma tutto e tornato silenzioso cristian_c\n<cristian_c> almaidinajad, ma prima o dopo aver impostato l'audio?\n<cristian_c> il comando, intendo\n<almaidinajad> ho impostato i volumi, dato il comando e riavviato cristian_c\n<Pablo1> !wiki manual partition\n<ubot-it> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)\n<Pablo1> esiste una guida per il partizionamento manuale hd ?\n<TaLaDo> !partizioni\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviPartizioni - Vedi anche !gparted\n<carlo65> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5693582/plain/\n<carlo65> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5693582/plain/\n<carlo65> non mi ricordo piu con pastebin come si fa\n<cristian_c> almaidinajad, devi usare il restore per caricarlo\n<cristian_c> credo\n<cristian_c> carlo65, pastebin l'hai usato, il problema è che non hai incollato l'output di terminale\n<cristian_c> hai incollato un testo tuo\n<almaidinajad> cristian_c, e questo lo devo fare ogni volta? mi serve solo che i volumi restino come li ho settati io in precedenza\n<cristian_c> almaidinajad, intanto prova\n<almaidinajad> ok, funziona con restore cristian_c\n<cristian_c> almaidinajad, ok\n<eugenio> cristian_c, scusa ero fuori ufficio, uso skype 4.1.0.20 su ubuntu 12.10 a 64bit\n<cristian_c> almaidinajad, adesso, puoi dfare una cosa per automatizzare\n<cristian_c> eugenio, che driver video usi?\n<eugenio> quelli ubuntu\n<cristian_c> eugenio, jockey-text -l\n<cristian_c> almaidinajad, metti il comando in appllicazioni di avvio\n<cristian_c> almaidinajad, oppure in rc.local\n<eugenio> cristian_c, http://paste.debian.net/5983/\n<cristian_c> eugenio, non li hai scaricati da nessuna parte?\n<eugenio> cristian_c, giusto per completezza, in pratica mi crasha la chiamata, al che skype si blocca, se killo l'applicazione e la rilancio skype parte ma non mi logga più....solo riavviando skype torna a funzionare correttamente...questo prob lo avevo anche con 12.04\n<eugenio> cristian_c, no...\n<Norby26> Ciao\n<cristian_c> eugenio, controllo: lspci -k\n<Norby26> Questa è la chat dedicata al supporto?\n<cristian_c> sì\n<D4V|DE> ciao a tutti\n<Norby26> Mi serve una mano per il mio lubuntu 13.04\n<Norby26> Devo attivare il wifi\n<cristian_c> Norby26, che scheda wireless?\n<cristian_c> boradcom?\n<Norby26> Probabilmente sì\n<Norby26> Anzi, sono sicuro\n<cristian_c> lol\n<cristian_c> !boradcom | Norby26\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'boradcom'\n<cristian_c> !broadcom | Norby26\n<ubot-it> Norby26: Dispositivo senza filo Broadcom http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviSenzaFili/Broadcom\n<cristian_c> segui la guida\n<Norby26> Ok\n<almaidinajad> cristian_c, come apro rc.local?\n<Norby26> Grazie, se ho bisogno di un aiuto più approfondito posso chiedere qui?\n<cristian_c> almaidinajad, sudo gedit /etc/rc.local\n<cristian_c> Norby26, sì\n<Norby26> Ok\n<Norby26> :)\n<eugenio> cristian_c, http://paste.debian.net/5989/\n<almaidinajad> grazie cristian_c\n<cristian_c> almaidinajad, prima di exit 0\n<cristian_c> almaidinajad, una riga sopra\n<cristian_c> c'è uno spazio apposito infatti\n<Norby26> A me servono quelli b43 o STA?\n<Norby26> (Driver)\n<almaidinajad> ok, grazie di nuovo cristian_c\n<Norby26> Cioè, c'è un comando per farmelo capire? (da terminale)\n<cristian_c> \tKernel driver in use: nouveau\n<cristian_c> eugenio, come hai installato skype?\n<cristian_c> eugenio, non è che è troppo pesante per il pc?\n<cristian_c> almaidinajad, funge?\n<cristian_c> Norby26, nella guida è scritto, dipende dal chip\n<cristian_c> asp\n<almaidinajad> ora provo a riavviare cristian_c ma già da terminale si è ristabilito tutto, quindi credo che vada ;)\n<cristian_c> Norby26, lspci -k\n<Norby26> Ok\n<Norby26> Grazie\n<cristian_c> digitalo\n<Norby26> Tra poco ti avviso, accendo il pc e scrivo!\n<Norby26> comunque c'era scritto qualcosa del tipo BCM4321 o BCM4312, dovrebbe essere sta, giusto?\n<cristian_c> dipende\n<cristian_c> dipende dal chip\n<carlo65> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5693630/plain/\n<cristian_c> carlo65, non hai postato l'output del comando\n<cristian_c> carlo65, digita il comando nel terminale\n<carlo65> scusate cosa vuol dire\n<cristian_c> carlo65, poi copia-incolla\n<cristian_c> carlo65, prima di tutto, digita il comando\n<cristian_c> carlo65, dimmi quando hai fatto\n<carlo65> sono andato su pastebin\n<carlo65> ho copiato la schermata sul mio pc\n<carlo65> la voglio incollare su pastebin\n<cristian_c> carlo65, il comando, non la schermata\n<cristian_c> schermata di cosa?\n<carlo65> la schermata l'ho prima salvata in mmagini\n<cristian_c> schermata di cosa?\n<carlo65> la copio da immagini e la incollo in 'content' poi do il comando paste, infine copio il link\n<carlo65> il problema che ho, è che voglio aumentere il volume a disposizione per ubuntu\n<cristian_c> carlo65, io ti ho soltanto suggerito di digitare il comando\n<cristian_c> carlo65, l'hai fatto?\n<carlo65> chiedo scusa ma quale comando?\n<cristian_c> lol\n<cristian_c> sudo fdisk -l\n<cristian_c> è una vita che l'ho chiesto\n<carlo65> ho dato il comando sudo pw fdisk -l\n<cristian_c> carlo65, una volta digitato, copia il risultato direttamente su pastebin\n<cristian_c> pw?\n<cristian_c> carlo65, digita il comando corretto\n<carlo65> midava una schermata che io ve la volevo far vedere in pastebin\n<cristian_c> carlo65, digita il comando corretto\n<cristian_c> carlo65, non serve nessuna schermata, serve soltanto il testo del risultato del comando\n<cristian_c> carlo65, ti faccio un esempio\n<carlo65> quando digito il comando sudo fdisk dal terminale mi chiede la password, ecco cos'è pw\n<cristian_c> carlo65, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5693658/\n<cristian_c> carlo65, non c'entra nulla pw\n<cristian_c> devi digitare il comando correttamente\n<cristian_c> carlo65, guarda il mio esempio\n<carlo65> il comando sudo lo devo dare da terminale?\n<Norby26> Cristian, ci sei?\n<cristian_c> carlo65, sì, sudo fdisk -l\n<cristian_c> tutto intero\n<cristian_c> Norby26, che succede?\n<Norby26> Ho digitato il comando '' sudo lshw -c network '' da terminale, mi da product. BCM4312 802.11b/g LP - PHY\n<Norby26> Vendor: Broadcom corporation\n<carlo65> mi risponde [sudo] pasword for administrator?\n<cristian_c> carlo65, digita la password\n<cristian_c> carlo65, vedo che sei proprio a digiuno di linux\n<cristian_c> XD\n<carlo65> purtroppo sì\n<Norby26> cristian, per caso sai se servono i driver STA?\n<cristian_c> Norby26, STA: BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4313, BCM4321, BCM4322, BCM43224, BCM43225, BCM43227, BCM43228\n<cri> ciao\n<glpiana> elisa\n<Norby26> Quindi il '' product: BCM4312 '' necessita di STA?\n<cristian_c> Norby26, b43: BCM4306/3, BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4318, BCM4320\n<cristian_c> vanno bene anche i b43 nel tuo caso\n<cristian_c> io uso i b43, ad esempio\n<Norby26> Ho scaricato sulla pendrive\n<Norby26> un b43 cutter\n<Norby26> ed un firmware-b43-installer\n<Norby26> 015-9\n<cristian_c> Norby26, sei collegato via cavo?\n<Norby26> Purtroppo no\n<cristian_c> Norby26, quindi, non sei vicino al pc adesso?\n<cristian_c> ah, sei su windows?\n<Norby26_> Rieccomi\n<Norby26_> Mi ha dato un errore\n<cristian_c> carlo65, fatto?\n<cristian_c> Norby26_, cosa?\n<Norby26_> Dicevo: sono su un pc con windows e vicino a me ho il pc con lubuntu\n<Faber_> Un saluto a tutti! Sto aggiornando Ubuntu da 12.04 a 12.10 ma durante l'installazione degli aggiornamenti, circa a metà , si è bloccato. Qualcuno può darmi un consiglio sul da farsi?\n<cristian_c> Norby26_, allora: non hai un cavo ethernet?\n<Norby26_> Ed ho scaricato sulla pendrive b43-fwcutter_015-9\n<Norby26_> Purtroppo no\n<cristian_c> Norby26, la procedura per installare i driver wifi è più semplice usando il cavo\n<cristian_c> Norby26_, aspetta\n<Norby26_> Lo so ma in questo momento proprio non posso :(\n<Norby26_> Tempo fa l'ho già fatto con ubuntu 12.04\n<Norby26_> Ma non so se questi driver vanno bene\n<Norby26_> k\n<cristian_c> Norby26_, se sei senza connessione, allora è più facile installare gli STA\n<cristian_c> In mancanza di una connessione ad internet, il pacchetto bcmwl-kernel-source può essere reperito nella cartella /pool/restricted/b/bcmwl del CD di installazione di Ubuntu.\n<Norby26_> E quelli sta\n<carlo65> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5693695/\n<Norby26_> Si attivano scaricando su pendrive questo pacchetto? bcmwl-kernel-source\n<cristian_c> Norby26_, Se si ha già installato Ubuntu sul PC tramite CD, questo può essere usato come sorgente software all'interno dell'Ubuntu Software Center in modo da installare il pacchetto bcmwl-kernel-source e automaticamente le sue dipendenze.\n<Norby26_> Ho scaricato Lubuntu tramite live cd, ho già cercato il pacchetto ma non c'è\n<cristian_c> Norby26_, hai abilitato la dorgente?\n<TypeText> Ciao a tutti, ho un problema con skype appena cerco di chiamare qualcuno mi da questo errore \" Problema di riproduzione audio \" e si chiude la finestra della chiamata... mi sapete dire il perchè? grazie mille\n<cristian_c> TypeText, che pc hai?\n<Norby26_> Non so nemmeno che cos'è, scusa la mia ignoranza\n<cristian_c> Norby26_, apri Sorgenti software\n<TypeText> cristian_c: ciao cristiano sono Liink :), il pc l'ho assemblato da solo quindi sono vari componenti\n<cristian_c> carlo65, oh, finalmente!\n<Norby26_> Dove lo trovo su Lubuntu? (Con la L)\n<cristian_c> carlo65, ho capito qual'è il problema\n<Norby26_> Cristian\n<cristian_c> TypeText, a proposito, ti avevo linkato la pagina della epson da cui scaricare i pacchettu deb\n<cristian_c> *pacchetti\n<cristian_c> Norby26_, da Sistema\n<TypeText> cristian_c: sisi ti avevo detto che non funzionavano nemmeno quelli\n<Norby26_> Secondo te è possibile cercare '' bcmwl-kernel-source '' su internet, scaricarmelo, metterlo sulla pendrive ed installarlo su Lubuntu?\n<cristian_c> Norby26_, Strumenti di sistema\n<cristian_c> TypeText, ma se non li hai neanche installati?\n<cristian_c> -,-\n<TypeText> sisi\n<cristian_c> TypeText, no, non risultavano presenti nel sistema\n<cristian_c> non raccontiamo cose non vere\n<TypeText> cristian_c: io li avevo installati ...\n<cristian_c> solo iscan c'era\n<cristian_c> non risultavano esserci\n<cristian_c> Norby26_, perché complicarsi la vita inutilmente?\n<cristian_c> TypeText, l'output parlava chiaro\n<Norby26_> Cristian, su Strumenti di sistema ho : Aggiornamento software, gestione task, gestore pacchetti, ibus, Installatore pacchet gdebi, lubuntu software center\n<cristian_c> carlo65, l'output dice che non hai installato linux, ma hai soltanto creato una partizione estesa\n<cristian_c> Norby26_, aggiornamento software\n<carlo65> ubuntu l'ho installato da windows xp\n<carlo65> poi nell'usarlo mi dice di cancellare dei file poichè lo spazio è 650 MB.\n<cristian_c> carlo65, se hai usato wubi, è una pessima idea\n<cristian_c> carlo65, il punto è che è stata una cattiva idea usare wubi\n<carlo65> io invece non vorrei cancellare , vorrei aumentare lo spazio per ubuntu creando una nuova partizione.\n<Norby26_> aggiornamenti software mi chiede la connessione, lol\n<cristian_c> carlo65, appunto, dovresti installare ubuntu veramente\n<cristian_c> su partizione\n<cristian_c> Norby26_, devi andare in Impostazioni\n<cristian_c> Norby26_, c'è un pulsante nella finestra\n<carlo65> dovrei quindi installare ubuntu sulla nuova partizione estesa?\n<carlo65> Come si fa?\n<cristian_c> TypeText, il fatto che tu abbia pensato di installare i driver quando non l'hai fatto non vuol dire che lo scanner non sia compatibile\n<cristian_c> è una cosa piuttosto semplice\n<cristian_c> carlo65, devi creare delle partizioni logiche all'interno dell'estesa\n<TypeText> crstian_c: non so cosa dire io li avevo installati dopo riprovo ora ho questo problema con skype\n<cristian_c> !partizioni | carlo65\n<ubot-it> carlo65: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviPartizioni - Vedi anche !gparted\n<Faber_> Gente... se provo ad interrompere l'operazione di installazione degli aggiornamenti (dal momento che è bloccata) ricevo questo messaggio: \"Questo terminerà l'operazione e potrebbe lasciare il sistema in uno stato d'errore\"... per questo vi chiedo aiuto, non so cosa fare. Nessuno ha un consiglio sul da farsi? :(\n<cristian_c> TypeText, è un pc vecchio?\n<TypeText> cristian_c: nono\n<cristian_c> TypeText, che driver video usi?\n<TypeText> cristian_c: cosa centra....\n<cristian_c> Faber_, non lo bloccare, allora\n<cristian_c> TypeText, c'entra perché i driver possono creare problemi a skype\n<cristian_c> TypeText,anche se a dire il vero l'errore parla di audio, questo è vero\n<TypeText> cristian_c: sono riuscito a far partire la chiamata ma non riuscivo a sentire, stavo modificando le impostazioni di skype ora vedo\n<cristian_c> TypeText, prima di tutto controlla l'audio a prescidere da skype\n<cristian_c> *prescindere\n<Faber_> Ok, non lo blocco ma è più di un'ora che è fermo e non va avanti... è fermo su \"Pacchetto patch installato\"... e non procede. Boh.. :(\n<cristian_c> carlo65, se non hai lo spazio necessario, dovrai ridimensionare la partizione di windows\n<cristian_c> Faber_, allora, fermalo e poi riprova a dare un update\n<cristian_c> Faber_, da terminale\n<Faber_> Bene, provo dai.. intanto grazie ;)\n<cristian_c> Faber_, c'è sempre sudo apt-get install -f\n<cristian_c> in caso di problemi\n<cristian_c> poi c'è un altro comando che non ricordo, sempre per risolvere questo tipo di situazione\n<nicola> buon dì\n<Faber_> Ok... spero di non restare senza SO ... :) ... provo.\n<carlo65> il dicho e da 500 GB. 250 GB mi bastano per XP. Gli altri 250 li uso per Ubuntu. Potrebbe andar bene?\n<cristian_c> Faber_, questo no :P\n<TypeText> cristian_c: niente come posso risolvere il problema con skype.....\n<cristian_c> carlo65, è una buona soluzione :)\n<cristian_c> secondo me\n<cristian_c> TypeText, hai controllato le impostazioni audio?\n<nicola> ieri ho interpretato male una guida che ho trovato su internet è ho installata su ubuntu 12.04 anche lubuntu\n<TypeText> cristian_c, allora l'errore me lo da solo su skype ad esempio su un'altro programmi di VoIP non me lo da\n<nicola> poichè non mi piaceva ho disinstallato lutuntu e pare funzionare tutto tranne...\n<nicola> ... tranne il fatto che in fase di login mi appaiono ancora le opzioni di accesso con lubuntu\n<nicola> come posso fare ad eliminare tale opzioni?\n<cristian_c> nicola, bravo :D\n<cristian_c> nicola, dpkg -l | grep lubuntu\n<cristian_c> !paste | nicola\n<ubot-it> nicola: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<carlo65> cristian _c & company, vi ringrazio molto. Ora devo andare.\n<cristian_c> TypeText, come saprai skype è un programma proprietario, quindi la distro non ha accesso al codice del programma, in pratica non lo gestisce\n<TypeText> cristian_c, eh si lo so\n<cristian_c> TypeText, non ti resta che controllare le opzioni audio di skype\n<cristian_c> sperando che ti vada bene\n<cristian_c> TypeText, in generale, l'audio funge bene?\n<TypeText> cristian_c, sisi\n<cristian_c> carlo65, di niente\n<cristian_c> TypeText, allora, controlla le opzioni di skype\n<nicola> cristian_c: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5693736/\n<TypeText> cristian_c, però non è possibile.. si le opzione le ho smanettate tutte ma niente...\n<cristian_c> nicola, prova a rimuovere questo: ii lubuntu-default-settings 0.27 default settings for Lubuntu\n<cristian_c> !skype | TypeText\n<ubot-it> TypeText: Guida all'installazione di skype: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/InternetRete/Telefonia/Skype\n<cristian_c> dai un'occhiata qua\n<Antomelandro> dove posso trovare un tema simile a mac per ubuntu?\n<cristian_c> Antomelandro, non credo che nei repo ufficiali ci sia\n<nicola> con sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove lubuntu-default-settings ?\n<cristian_c> nicola, io proverei con un semplice: sudo apt-get remove lubuntu-default-settings\n<Antomelandro> grazie mille,cristian_c, ho cercato, ne ho trovato qualcuno, ma per la mia versione, cioè quella netbook , non sono compatibili\n<nicola> gli altri pacchetti non è necessario rimuoverli?\n<cristian_c> nicola, puoi farlo ma non sono sicuro che ciò ti cambi la vita\n<cristian_c> Antomelandro, e comunque è meglio se queste cose le domandi nell'altro canale\n<cristian_c> !chat | Antomelandro\n<ubot-it> Antomelandro: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Antomelandro> grazie\n<Norby26> Rieccomi\n<Norby26> cristian, per caso sai se c'è un pacchetto specifico di bcmwl-kernel-source oppure posso prenderne uno a caso nel web?\n<Norby26> (Per Lubuntu 13.04)\n<cristian_c> Norby26, ti avevo suggerito di fare un'altra cosa\n<cristian_c> l'hai fatta?\n<nicola> provo a riavviare\n<Norby26> Purtroppo mi si è riavviato questo pc e non ho letto il consiglio :(\n<Norby26> Scusa cristian, hai così tanta pazienza da potermelo ripetere?\n<cristian_c> Norby26, apri sorgenti software\n<Norby26> Sorgenti non ci sta\n<Norby26> (Su strumenti del sistema)\n<cristian_c> Norby26, gestore aggiornamenti\n<Norby26> Ho gestore pacchetti\n<nicola> cristian_c: dopo aver fatto come mi hai detto il risultato di dpkg -l | grep lubuntu è questo: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5693786/\n<nicola> al riavvio sono spariti da login i desktop lubuntu ma sono rimasti: GNOME/Openbox e Openbox\n<cristian_c> Norby26, gestore aggiornamenti\n<cristian_c> nciola, dpkg -l | egrep \"^rc\" | cut -d ' ' -f3\n<Norby26> gestore aggiornamenti non c'è\n<cristian_c> Norby26, prima hai detto che c'era\n<cristian_c> Norby26, non è che l'hai rimosso?\n<Norby26> aggiornamenti software\n<cristian_c> Norby26, va bene\n<cristian_c> aprilo\n<cristian_c> nicola, digitato?\n<Norby26> Eh sì ma li mi dice che c'è bisogno di una connessione\n<cristian_c> Norby26, comunque appare la finestra, giusto?\n<Norby26> Sì esatto\n<Norby26> però c'è sritto\n<nicola> cristian_c: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5693810/\n<Norby26> ''Aggiornamenti software''\n<Norby26> Scaricamento delle informazioni del repository non riuscito\n<Norby26> Controllare la propria connessione a internet\n<cristian_c> Norby26, se si è aperta fai clic sul pulsante impostazioni\n<Norby26> Ah sì eccolo\n<cristian_c> lol\n<Norby26> XD\n<Norby26> Ora ho una barra\n<Norby26> Software per ubuntu | Altro software | Aggiornamenti | Autenticazione | Driver aggiuntivi\n<cristian_c> Norby26, ?\n<cristian_c> ok\n<cristian_c> Norby26, la prima o la terza mi pare\n<cristian_c> guardo\n<Norby26> ok\n<cristian_c> nicola, sudo dpkg --purge `dpkg -l | egrep \"^rc\" | cut -d ' ' -f3`\n<Norby26> Sulla prima\n<Norby26> Ho codice sorgente\n<Norby26> COn altre opzioni\n<Norby26> Hanno tutte una V, tranne codice sorgente che ha un -\n<cristian_c> ok\n<cristian_c> !broadcom\n<ubot-it> Dispositivo senza filo Broadcom http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviSenzaFili/Broadcom\n<Norby26> Ehm, che devo fare? XD\n<cristian_c> Norby26, vai in altro software\n<Norby26> ok\n<Norby26> fatto\n<cristian_c> Norby26, spunta su cd rom\n<cristian_c> Norby26, inserisci il cd/dvd di ubuntu\n<Norby26> Ma devo inserire il cd?\n<Norby26> AH ok\n<cristian_c> nicola, fatto?\n<cristian_c> Norby26, lo prende da lì il pacchetto che ti serve\n<Norby26> va bene se lo inserisco adesso o devo riavviare o qualcosa?\n<nicola> fatto, riavvio e vediamo un pò\n<cristian_c> Norby26, adesso\n<cristian_c> nicola, asp\n<cristian_c> nicola, non è finita\n<nicola> ah, scusa\n<cristian_c> nicola, dpkg -l | grep box\n<nicola> cristian_c: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5693842/\n<Norby26> Cristian, dopo aver messo la spunta su cd rom devo fare | Aggiungi volume..| Aggiungi.. | X Chiudi / ?\n<Norby26> Aspetta mi chiede la pass per mettere la spunta, vado?\n<Norby26> Cristian..?\n<cristian_c> nicola, ii openbox 3.5.0-2ubuntu2 standards compliant, fast, light-weight, extensible window manager\n<cristian_c> Norby26, digita la password\n<Norby26> ok\n<Norby26> ok adesso ci sta la spunta\n<Norby26> posso chiudere normalmente il ''Software e aggiornamenti '' ?\n<nicola> cristian_c: vado con sudo apt-get remove openbox ?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, fai clic su Chiudi in sorgenti software e poi Verifica nel gestore aggiornamenti\n<cristian_c_> nicola, prova con quello sì\n<Norby26> Aggiornamenti software?\n<cristian_c_> nicola, a dire la verità ci sono altri due pacchetti di openbox installati, ma tu prova con quello\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, sì, c'è un pulsante Verifica\n<Norby26> non lo trovo\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, che pulsanti ci sono?\n<Norby26> ma su aggionrmaneti software?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, hai chiuso Sorgenti software dopo la modifica?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, sulla prima finestra che hai aperto\n<nicola> fatto, riavvio ?\n<Norby26> Sono tornato li e la spunta ci sta\n<cristian_c_> nicola, sì\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, chiudi sorgenti software\n<Norby26> Chiuso\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, e poi verifica nella finestra principale\n<cristian_c_> quella degli aggiornamenti\n<Norby26> Mi sto un attimo perdendo\n<Norby26> Ma è quello ''Aggiornamenti software'' ?\n<cristian_c_> !image | Norby26\n<cristian_c_> mmm\n<ubot-it> Norby26: Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<cristian_c_> se hai dubbi, posta una schermata\n<Norby26> Allora,\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, anche tu mi pare sia un bel po' a digiuno di ubuntu\n<Norby26> Io ora sono su aggiornamenti software, scaricamento delle informazioni del repository non riuscito, controllare la propria connessione a internet.\n<nicola> cristian_c: ok, risolto\n<nicola> grazie\n<Norby26> Avevo Ubuntu 12.04 e lo usavo fino a pochi giorni fa, ma dopo aver fatto le cose basilari non molto\n<Norby26> XD\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, uhm, allora entra in sorgenti software e togli la spunta dalle altre voci\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, lascia soltanto quella dei cd rom\n<Norby26> Sicuro'\n<Norby26> ?\n<cristian_c_> del\n<Norby26> Ah capito\n<cristian_c_> sì\n<cristian_c_> tanto le riattivi dopo\n<Norby26> La spunta è su\n<Norby26> cd rom\n<Norby26> Indipendente\n<Norby26> Indipendente (Codice sorgente)\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, lasciala solo su cd rom\n<Norby26> Ok\n<Norby26> Fatto\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, il cd è già inserito?\n<cristian_c_> o dvd\n<Norby26> Sì\n<Norby26> CD-R\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, chiudi e riprovi\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, l'importante è che sia il disco di installazione\n<Norby26> Riprovo a fare cosa?\n<cristian_c_> a verificare\n<cristian_c_> nella finestra principale\n<Norby26> Cosa dovrebbe esserci nella finestra principale?\n<cristian_c_> io ho due pulstanti, installa aggiornamenti e Verifica\n<cristian_c_> !apt | Norby26\n<ubot-it> Norby26: apt-get is http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Apt\n<Norby26> Ho chiuso e sono ritornato su aggiornamenti software\n<Norby26> e ci sta la stessa cosa di prima\n<Norby26> Io su aggiornamenti software ho:\n<Norby26> Scaricamento delle informazioni del repository non riuscito controllare la propria connessione a internet\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, ho pensato una cosa: apri il cd con il file manager\n<Norby26> File manager?\n<cristian_c_> sì\n<cristian_c_> pcmanfm\n<Norby26> ok\n<Norby26> Ok\n<cristian_c_> vai sul cd\n<Norby26> eccolo\n<Norby26> Pool?\n<cristian_c_> sì\n<cristian_c_> restricted\n<Norby26> Poi restricted?\n<Norby26> Ok\n<cristian_c_> b\n<Norby26> Ho s\n<cristian_c_> e basta\n<cristian_c_> ?\n<Norby26> sì\n<cristian_c_> allora s\n<Norby26> dentro sl-modem\n<cristian_c_> bcmwl\n<cristian_c_> mmmmmm\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, se è come mi dici, questa cosa satrebbe da far presente a chi mantiene la guida wiki\n<cristian_c_> *sarebbe\n<Norby26> Uso Lubuntu 13.04\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, proviamo con il metodo che ho utilizzato io in passato (sia per ubuntu che per debian9\n<Norby26> Il file comunque è : sl-modem-daemon_2.9.11-20110321-8_i386.deb\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=+b43-fwcutter&searchon=names&suite=raring§ion=all\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, mi hai dato un suggerimento per un altro mio problema, grazie :)\n<Norby26> Di fw cutter ne ho 1 sul pen drive\n<cristian_c_> chiuso offtopic\n<Norby26> Ah sì? XD\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, usa quello che ti ho indicato\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, non so da dove l'hai preso tu\n<cristian_c_> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=+b43-fwcutter&searchon=names&suite=raring§ion=all\n<Norby26> Lo devo scaricare sul pen drive?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, che versione di lubuntu hai installato? i386 o amd64\n<cristian_c_> ?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, digita: uname -m\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, sì\n<cristian_c_> da windows\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, mentre il comando lo digiti in ubuntu\n<Norby26> i386\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/b43-fwcutter\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/i386/b43-fwcutter/download\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, scegli un mirror e te lo scarichi\n<cristian_c_> il deb\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, cancella il pacchetto che avevi scaricato in precedenza, altrimenti fai confusione\n<Norby26> ok\n<Norby26> Un mirror a caso?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, beh, non saprei\n<cristian_c_> io ne ho scelto uno vicino\n<cristian_c_> dovrebbe scaricare comunque\n<cristian_c_> http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/b43-fwcutter/b43-fwcutter_015-14_i386.deb\n<Norby26> europe?\n<cristian_c_> http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/b43-fwcutter/b43-fwcutter_015-14_i386.deb\n<cristian_c_> digita questo\n<Norby26> Ok\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, appena fatto, digita anche questo: http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/patch/patch_2.6.1-3ubuntu2_i386.deb\n<Norby26> e poi sposto tutto sulla pen drive USB?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, hai scaricato i due deb?\n<cristian_c_> dai due indirizzi che ho indicato\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, basta che copi l'indirizzo nel browser e scarichi automaticamente\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, dimmi quando hai fatto\n<Norby26> sposto suulla pen drive?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, hai scaricato?\n<Norby26> Sulla+\n<cristian_c_> ?\n<Norby26> sì\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, digita questo: http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o\n<Norby26> scaricati su questo pc\n<cristian_c_> nel browser\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, anche quest'ultimo?\n<Norby26> sì\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, ora scarica infine: http://mirror2.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5.tar.bz2\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, digita l'indirizzo nel browser\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, dimmi quando hai fatto\n<Norby26> ok tutti e 3\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, quattro vorrai dire\n<cristian_c_> http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/b43-fwcutter/b43-fwcutter_015-14_i386.deb\n<cristian_c_> http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/patch/patch_2.6.1-3ubuntu2_i386.deb\n<Norby26> S' tutti e 4\n<cristian_c_> http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o\n<Norby26> Cutter, patch, apsta e broadcom\n<cristian_c_> http://mirror2.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5.tar.bz2\n<Norby26> Sì tutti questi\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, spostali sulla pendrive\n<Norby26> ok\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, hai cancellato quello che c'era prima?\n<cristian_c_> quello scaricato in precedenza?\n<Norby26> Sì, ora meto questi\n<Norby26> metto*\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, una volta collegata al pc con ubuntu, copia i quattro file nella tua home\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, dimmi quando hai fatto\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, e installa i due .deb facendo doppio clic su di essi\n<Norby26> In che ordine?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, boh, per i due deb prova dal primo\n<cristian_c_> io parlo dei deb\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, fatto?\n<Norby26> Ancora no, scusami, ma ho dei problemi di lag con questo pc, ma ci vorrà poco!\n<cristian_c_> -,-\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, magari, prima di domani :D\n<Norby26> Eccomi!\n<Norby26> Ho copiato i file nella home XD\n<cristian_c_> -,-\n<Marco90> ciao a tutti scrivo per un problema relativo al mio pc uso ubuntu 13.04 64 bit e il mio problema è che lo schermo così come il sisitema si freeza senza poter far niente\n<Norby26> Ok, ora installo i due deb?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, certo\n<Norby26> Ho fatto tasto sinistro\n<Norby26> Mi da\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, doppio clic\n<Norby26> AH ok\n<cristian_c_> 17:01:53 <cristian_c_> Norby26, e installa i due .deb facendo doppio clic su di essi\n<Norby26> Ok\n<cristian_c_> basta leggere\n<Norby26> mi dice\n<Norby26> DIpendenze non integre\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, hai installato qualche driver video?\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, il pc è vecchio?\n<Marco90> si i proprietari ati\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, posta una schermata\n<cristian_c_> non è possibile\n<Norby26> Cristian, quando apro mi dice dipendenze non integre\n<Norby26> Lo installo via terminale?\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ i proprietari ati e no il pc è praticamente nuovo\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, tutti e due?\n<Norby26> Sì, tutti e due\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, ti do il comano\n<cristian_c_> *comando\n<Norby26> Ok\n<Norby26> Installo prima uno o l'altro?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, sudo dpkg -i nome_pacchetto.deb\n<cristian_c_> sì\n<Norby26> Prima cutter o patch?\n<cristian_c_> prova\n<cristian_c_> quello che vuoi\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, come li hai installati?ù\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ dai dirver aggiuntivi ma avevo provato anche con i driver del sito ati\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, direi che è una possibile causa di casini\n<Norby26> Ok il primo sembra essere andato (fw cutter)\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, come hai disinstallato i driver del sito?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, alleluia\n<Norby26> Ha estratto, configurato, e poi l'ultima stringa è ''Elaborazione dei trigger per man-db..''\n<Norby26> E finisce così\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, ti ritorna il prompt?\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ per sicurezza avevo reinstallato il sistema in toto\n<Norby26> sì\n<Norby26> Sì, mi torna il @ :-S\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, installati tutti e due?\n<Norby26> Solo cutter\n<Norby26> vado col secondo?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, anche l'altro deb\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, mi interessa quello che hai fatto dopo aver installato il sistema\n<cristian_c_> non prima\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ ho installato il sistema ho installato i dirver e ho aggiornato tutto il sistema\n<Norby26> cristian\n<Norby26> sembrerebbe andato anche il secondo\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, quali driver?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, ok\n<cristian_c_> alleluia\n<Norby26> E finisce sempre Elaborazione del trigger per man-db..\n<Marco90> i proprietari da dirver aggiuntivi\n<Norby26> E torna il prompt\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, tar xfvj broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5.tar.bz2\n<Norby26> ok\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, quindi non quelli del sito?\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ esatto\n<Norby26> Ok, andato pure questo!\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, anche con gli open ci sonpo problemi?\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ mentre con gli open avevo sempre la ventola che andava forte\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, hai doppia scheda?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, sudo b43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o\n<Marco90> ho una hd 5870 e non ricordo se il processore ne ha una integrata è un core i5 2500k\n<Norby26> Sei sicuro?\n<Norby26> XD\n<Norby26> Io procedo...!\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, procedi\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, la ventola andava forte sostanzialmente per un motivo\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, avevi tutte e due le schede accese\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, ecco perché andava a palla\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ la ventola della scheda intendo\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ comunque ok\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, sì, in ogni caso il problema è quello che ho indicato\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, è un problema di doppia scheda\n<Norby26> cristian_c_, sembrerebbe andato pure questo\n<Marco90> ok e come lo risolvo??\n<cristian_c_> !graficaibrida | Marco90\n<ubot-it> Marco90: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/GraficaIbrida | Vedi anche http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/GraficaIbrida/Bumblebee http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/GraficaIbrida/Acpi_call http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/AbilitareDriverProprietari\n<cristian_c_> jester-, ho inaugurato la voce del bot\n * cristian_c_ taglia il nastro\n<Marco90> premetto che non mi interessano le prestazioni dato che non gioco basta avere un sistema stabile\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, primo link\n<Norby26> cristian_c_, ho fatto il comando\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, sudo b43-fwcutter --unsupported -w /lib/firmware broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5/driver/wl_apsta_mimo.o\n<Norby26> mimo?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, digita anche quello qui sopra\n<Norby26> O.o\n<Norby26> Ok\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ ok\n<Norby26> Cristian\n<Norby26> Ma broadcom-wl-4.150 ecc. tutto attaccato\n<Norby26> ?\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ e quale metodo conviene usare?\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, io ti suggerisco l'utilizzo di acpi_call che spegne la scheda deidcata (ati)\n<cristian_c_> *dedicata\n<cristian_c_> tanto non ti interessa usarla\n<Norby26> Cristian ci sei?\n<Norby26> XD\n<Norby26> Ma broadcom-wl-\n<Norby26> è attaccato o staccato da 4.150.10.5 ecc.?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, sudo b43-fwcutter --unsupported -w /lib/firmware broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5/driver/wl_apsta_mimo.o\n<cristian_c_> così com'è\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ ok grazie ads provo\n<Norby26> eh ma qui va accapo\n<cristian_c_> è uguale\n<Norby26> ok\n<guruntu> ciao\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ quindi poi che driver devo usare??\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, non ti devi preoccupare, perché la scheda intel utilizza soltanto un driver\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, l'ati viene proprio spenta\n<Norby26> cristian_c_, andato pure questo\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, a, prima di fare tutta l'operazione, disinstalla i driver proprietari\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, sì è acceso il led?\n<Norby26> Quale?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, wireless\n<Norby26> no..\n<guruntu> ragazzi ho installato da poco ubuntu sul mio portatile asus k53s ma su ubuntu posso installare i driver del mio pc usando il cd originale del pc?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, Abilitare i driver STA tramite il gestore driver.\n<Norby26> OK\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, che in realtà sono i b43\n<Norby26> Ah\n<Norby26> OK\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, ma tu apri Driver aggiuntivi\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, e abilita il driver proprietario\n<Norby26> Cristian\n<cristian_c_> guruntu, c'era windows sul pc?\n<Norby26> dove trovo il gestore driver? prima lo avevo visto ma mi son dimenticato\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ ok ads provo ma il link di acpi_call non mi funziona\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, sorgenti software\n<guruntu> sul portatile si mente su un pc fisso ho solo ubuntu\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, quale link?\n<giova> ?\n<cristian_c_> guruntu, allora la risposta è no, dato che quelli sono driver per windows\n<guruntu> e come fCCIO A RIATTIVARE L'AUDIO SUL FISSO?\n<giova> sera, ho intallato ubu 13.04: è scomparso l'ubdate manager del 12? qua vedo software updater e software&updates: quale uso? Perchè non mi trova i driver grafici automanticamente come l'altro?\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/GraficaIbrida/Acpi_call\n<Norby26> cristian_c_ sono su Driver aggiuntivi\n<cristian_c_> giova, li trovi in sorgenti software\n<Norby26> Ma è vuoto\n<cristian_c_> guruntu, stai parlando di due problemi diversi?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, hai ripristinato sorgenti software?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, prima che ti dicessi di aggiungere e togliere spunte\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, cosa non funziona?\n<Norby26> Ah, devo rimettere le spunte su indipendente?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, rimetti tutto com'era prima\n<giova> dov'è \"sorgenti software\"?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, togliendo quella del cd\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ la guida descritta nel link non mi funziona cioè nel terminale mi da errore\n<Norby26> ok ho ripristinato\n<cristian_c_> giova, dal gestore aggiornamenti\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, qualche dettaglio in più non guasterebbe\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, ora, digita: jockey-text\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, ora, digita: jockey-text -l\n<cristian_c_> ops\n<guruntu> CRISTIAN TI RIPONGO LA PRIMA DOMANDA DA COMPUTER FISSO CON INSTALLATO SOLO UBUNTU POSSO INSTALLARE I DRIVER DELLA CHEDA MADRE DEL MIO PC OPPURE COME DEVO FARE?\n<Norby26> Il driver proprietari è vuoto\n<Norby26> Ah, devo digitare questo da terminale?\n<Norby26> jockey-text -l?\n<giova> dov è il gestore aggiornamenti?\n<Norby26> (elle)\n<cristian_c_> !maiuscolo | guruntu\n<ubot-it> guruntu: Non scrivere in maiuscolo nel canale, equivale ad urlare e non e' un comportamento gradito nel canale. grazie.\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, sì\n<cristian_c_> giova, usi unity?\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ uso questo comando git clone https://github.com/marcoDallas/acpi_call_GUI.git cd acpi_call_GUI sudo chmod +x install.sh sudo ./install\n<Marco90> cristian_c_\n<Marco90> fatal: il path di destinazione 'acpi_call_GUI' esiste già e non è una directory vuota.\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, uesto è il comando: git clone https://github.com/marcoDallas/acpi_call_GUI.git\n<Marco90> questo è l'errore\n<Norby26> Jockey: comando non trovato, cristian_c_\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, hai messo tutto insieme\n<giova> si\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, quelli sono altri comandi\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, hai digitato male, penspo\n<cristian_c_> *penso\n<cristian_c_> giova, apri la dash\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ sisi ma mi da questo errore fatal: il path di destinazione 'acpi_call_GUI' esiste già e non è una directory vuota\n<giova> e poi?\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, digita: pwd\n<cristian_c_> giova, cerca l'applicazione\n<Norby26> AH è vero non ho messo la stanghetta\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ ok poi?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, magari avevi la J maiuscola\n<giova> è in inglese, lo chiamano \"update manager\"?\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, che esce?\n<cristian_c_> giova, va benissimo\n<giova> non c'è\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ con pwd esce questo /home/marco\n<cristian_c_> giova, cosa?\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, ok\n<Norby26> cristian_c_ Il programma ''jockey-text può essere trovato nei seguenti pacchetti * jockey-common * jockey common, Provare sudo apt-get install <PACCHETTO SELEZIONATO>\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, cd acpi_call_GUI\n<giova> update manager che tanto adoro\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, digita in un terminale: sudo apt-get update\n<cristian_c_> uhm\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ fatto\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, asp\n<Norby26> ok\n<Norby26> lo digito?\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, sì\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, il problema è che non sei connesso\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, fai una cosa\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, digita: cat /etc/apt/sources.list\n<GURUNTU> CIAO A TUTTI\n<Norby26> Ok\n<cristian_c_> !maiuscolo | GURUNTU\n<ubot-it> GURUNTU: Non scrivere in maiuscolo nel canale, equivale ad urlare e non e' un comportamento gradito nel canale. grazie.\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, sudo chmod +x install.sh\n<giova> ha fatto qualcosa\n<Norby26> cristian_c_ l'ho fatto ma mi da un codice lunghissimo che finisce con: ##This software is not part of ubuntu, but is offered by third-party ecc.\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ ok mi chiede la password e torna come prima\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, senza errori?\n<Norby26> cristian_c_ ma dice qualcosa a proposito del canonical ed ho visto alcune spunte prima riguardanti questa cosa qua\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ si scrivo sudo chmod +x install.sh poi metto la password e torno qua marco@marco-MS-7758:~/acpi_call_GUI$\n<giova> ma allora si può o no installare sti driver\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, sudo ./install\n<cristian_c_> giova, sì\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ comando non trovato\n<giova> ricordo che prima li cercava da solo, vorrei capire perchè adesso non lo fa\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, ricapitoliamo: io ti ho fatto installare il firmware/driver giusto\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, i b43\n<cristian_c_> giova, hai aperto il gestore aggiornamenti?\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, sei nella stessa directory?\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, pwd\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, e fin qui ci siamo\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, ora non ti resta che abilitarli tramite il gestore driver\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, che però tale gestore sembra non esserci per un qualche motivo\n<cristian_c_> Norby26, quindi, il più è fatto\n<giova> cristian_c_, non lo trovo\n<Marco90> cristian_c in che senso scusa ma ci capisco poco :(\n<cristian_c_> giova, update-manager\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, digita: pwd\n<giova> solo \"software updater\"\n<Marco90> cristian_c ok\n<cristian_c_> giova, va benissimo\n<Marco90> cristian_c poi?\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, che esce?\n<giova> cristian_c_, si, ma lui mi dice che tutto il software è aggiornatao\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ marco@marco-MS-7758:~/acpi_call_GUI/acpi_call_GUI$\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, esce questo?\n<cristian_c_> giova, pulsante Impostazioni\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ si\n<giova> cristian_c_ sipoi\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, ls -l\n<cristian_c_> giova, poi, Driver aggiuntivi\n<giova> cristian_c_ si poi?\n<cristian_c_> giova, e ci sei arrivato\n<cristian_c_> XD\n<giova> cristian_c_ non c'è niente li dentro\n<cristian_c_> giova, che scheda video hai?\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ ok fatto\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, su pasebin\n<cristian_c_> !pastebin | Marco90\n<ubot-it> Marco90: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<giova> 2 ati in chrossfire\n<cristian_c_> giova, modelli?\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ http://paste.ubuntu.com/5694101/\n<giova> bo, fra le prime hd version da 1 gb l'una, ma non avevo mai avuto problemi prima d' ora\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, hai fatto un po' un casino\n<akis24> sera\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ immagino :(\n<cristian_c_> giova, mi interessano i modelli\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ quindi che faccio?\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, cd .\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ chiudo e riapro il teminale prima?\n<cristian_c_> no\n<cristian_c_> o meglio sì\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ok fatto\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, poi digita cd acpi_call_GUI\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ ok\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, e poi: ls -l\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ ok fatto\n<cristian_c_> su pastebin\n<cristian_c_> giova, te li ricordi?\n<Marco90> cristian_c_ http://paste.ubuntu.com/5694122/\n<cristian_c_> -rwxrwxr-x 1 marco marco 2185 mag 23 17:28 install.sh\n<cristian_c_> il file c'è\n<cristian_c_> sudo ./install\n<Marco90> sudo: ./install: comando non trovato\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, evidentemente, stai facendo di testa tua\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, pwd\n<Marco90> no sto seguendo quello che mi dici\n<Marco90> si fatto\n<Marco90> poi?\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, che esce?\n<Marco90> questo /home/marco/acpi_call_GUI\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, il file install c'è\n<cristian_c_> -rwxrwxr-x 1 marco marco 2185 mag 23 17:28 install.sh\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, forse ho capito\n<cristian_c_> mmmmmmm\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, prova in un altro modo\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, sh install.sh\n<cristian_c_> dovrebbe andare\n<Marco90> si vedo la cartella nella mia home infatti\n<Marco90> ok\n<cristian_c_> se non va, ci aggiungi sudo\n<Marco90> ok\n<Marco90> sta scaricando qualcosa\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, finalmente\n<Marco90> fatto\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, java -jar acpi_call_GUI.jar\n<cristian_c_> Marco90, e poi continua a seguire la guida wiki\n<Marco90> ok grazie mille\n<giova> noooo è scomparso!\n<Norby26> cristian_c_ ci sei?\n<akhilleus> ciao a tutti\n<cri> ciao\n<URUS> aiuto\n<URUS> ubutnu ha riscontrato un errore interno\n<it-39> sera ciao URUS\n<URUS> it-39: /sera me sai aiutare\n<it-39> URUS credo propio di no :(\n<it-39> anzi credo di aver bisogno io di aiuto!\n<URUS> it-39: dimmi se posso\n<it-39> non so come settarei parametri per /dev/ttyUSB0 da terminale.... la seriale a quanto pare funziona solo su win e non capisco il perche\n<URUS> it-39: ha n on posso aveve provato anche io ma non ho finito\n<URUS> prova con\n<URUS> gtk-term\n<it-39> provato non va\n<it-39> da caratteri strani\n<URUS> combia la velocita\n<URUS> i baud\n<jester-> it-39: perchè forse non carica il driver\n<it-39> su win con iperterminal va a 115200\n<URUS> o prova con un altra\n<it-39> no i driver li carica perche se disconnetto il cavo non mi vede piu' /dev/ttyUSB0\n<URUS> jester-: eccoti tu sei il tipo giusto :)\n<jester-> it-39: usb0 non è porta seriale\n<URUS> ubuntu 13.10 mi da errori\n<URUS> ubutnu ha riscontrato un errore interno\n<it-39> e un cavo che converte usb to serial\n<jester-> che ci fai cona una porta seriale di questi tempi\n<URUS> jester-: ttl\n<jester-> it-39: non penso che garbi a linux\n<it-39> un router devo ricaricarci il firmware .... si jester ttl\n<jester-> it-39: ruter usb ancora\n<jester-> ma vanno max a 2 giga\n<it-39> ma no seiale ttl usb\n<jester-> adsl?\n<it-39> connessa al router\n<jester-> it-39: router?\n<it-39> d-link 2640b\n<jester-> e quando mai esiste un rutter com\n<URUS> jester-: non è com\n<jester-> non hai porte com sul pc?\n<it-39> jester il router ha l'ingresso per la seriale\n<jester-> URUS: seriale che è\n<URUS> ma tramite pin di programmazione ttl\n<it-39> esatto\n<jester-> URUS: com1 e 2 sono le seriali\n<jester-> poi c'è c'era la parallela\n<it-39> su win questo cavo crea una com virtuale com 6\n<jester-> it-39: win sarà attrezzato per farlo\n<jester-> serve sempre un driver\n<jester-> a sapere quel'è su linux\n<it-39> jester scusa se ubuntu non aveva il driver avrebbe riconoscito la usb quando inserisco il cavo?\n<psyco_> ciao c'è nessuno\n<psyco_> ??\n<psyco_> ho bisogno di una dritta\n<psyco_> salve\n<psyco_> c'è qualcuno\n<URUS> psyco_: dire\n<URUS> di cosa hai bisogno\n<psyco_> ok\n<URUS> poi te diciamo se ci siamo o no\n<URUS> :P\n<fastciuccenfurio> dipende\n<psyco_> praticamente volevo sapere se la batteria impostata a ricarica mx 80 per cento su windows puo essere ripristinata alla normale carica di 100 per 100 su ubuntu 13.04\n<URUS> non ci sono\n<psyco_> il mio è un samsun con funzionalita energy con invidia optimum come le posso sfruttare? su ubuntu ?\n<psyco_> su window ho parechie opzioni di risparmio energetico ecc qui non ne vedo alcuna\n<psyco_> dovro tornare a window 7?\n<Norby26> Non mi si apre chronium\n<psyco_> aspetto risposta\n<psyco_> c'è nessuno?\n<jester-> !nessuno | psyco_\n<ubot-it> psyco_: se nessuno parla in canale non significa che non ci siano utenti attivi. Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno vorrà rispondervi lo farà \n<psyco_> troppo tempo\n<jester-> ??\n<jester-> mah\n<Andrea_> salve c'è qualcuno?\n<Andrea_> sono nuovo, posso fare una domanda tecnica?\n<jester-> !chiedi | Andrea_\n<ubot-it> Andrea_: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<Andrea_> beh non rispondeva nessuno, comunque... Dunque sto usando tramite cd ubuntu 11.10 ma non l'ho installato perchè ho l'hard disk difettoso e per adesso non posso comprarlo, mi chiedevo, posso continuare a utilizzare ubuntu tramite cd o c'è il rischio che riavviando il pc io perda tutte le personalizzazioni fatte (firefox, programmi, ecc)?\n<jester-> Andrea_: cd non è scrivibile e perdi le aggiuntem su usb puoi settare uno spazio aggiuntivo per cambiamenti e dati\n<Carmine__> Ciao scusa posso chiederti delle info\n<Carmine__> _\n<Carmine__> ?\n<Andrea_> quindi posso, per così dire, installarlo su usb e usare sempre quella?\n<Carmine__> il mio portatile non parte vista, il cd ripristino e in italia quindi vorrei recuperare prima I Miei dati prima di fare il recovery, ho letto che con Linux live e possible, la VERSIONE UBUNTU 12.04.2 ma una Volta che lo la con Linux dopo posso ripristinarlo a windows o mi rimane Linux fammi sapere\n<Carmine__> E MI PERMETTE DI AVVIARLO LIVE?\n<Liink> Ciao a tutti, volevo chiedervi una cosa... gioco ad un gioco \"Browser\" si chiama HaxBall, per giocarci serve Adobe Flash... il mio problema qual'è che io quando creo una stanza per far giocare le persone... diciamo che non laggano ma dopo un pò inizia a scattarmi e a scattargli, lo stesso quando entro nelle stanze degli altri dopo poco mi comincia a scattare, per quale motivo ? Ad esempio su windows non mi da questo problema\n<jester-> Carmine__: se non installi non cambia nulla sul disco del pc\n<jester-> Liink: che flash hai messo\n<Liink> jester-, quello dell'installaziomne\n<jester-> Liink: cioè?\n<jester-> c'è adob e ciofeca gnash\n<jester-> Liink: dpkg -l | egrep 'ndis|swf|gnash|flash|nsplugin' fa vedere la risposta nel paste\n<jester-> !paste | Liink\n<ubot-it> Liink: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<jester-> Liink: cucuuu\n<dod> andato..\n<Liink> jester-, eccomi scusami\n<Liink> jester-,http://paste.ubuntu.com/5694586/\n<Liink> Ciao a tutti, volevo chiedervi una cosa... gioco ad un gioco \"Browser\" si chiama HaxBall, per giocarci serve Adobe Flash... il mio problema qual'è che io quando creo una stanza per far giocare le persone... diciamo che non laggano ma dopo un pò inizia a scattarmi e a scattargli, lo stesso quando entro nelle stanze degli altri dopo poco mi comincia a scattare, per quale motivo ? Ad esempio su windows non mi da questo problema\n<Liink> jester-, Ciao eccomi scusami\n<URUS> cri ?\n<URUS> jester- ?\n<URUS> si è verificato un problemma a un programma di sistema\n<URUS> segnalare il problemma adesso ?\n<URUS> cosa devo fare\n<URUS> e come posso risolvere ?\n<URUS> come scelte ho\n<Liink> Ciao a tutti, volevo chiedervi una cosa... gioco ad un gioco \"Browser\" si chiama HaxBall, per giocarci serve Adobe Flash... il mio problema qual'è che io quando creo una stanza per far giocare le persone... diciamo che non laggano ma dopo un pò inizia a scattarmi e a scattargli, lo stesso quando entro nelle stanze degli altri dopo poco mi comincia a scattare, per quale motivo ? Ad esempio su windows non mi da questo problema\n<URUS> annulla e segnalle il problemma e la x per chiudere\n<URUS> un altro errore\n<URUS> # /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/indicator-applet-complete\n<Liink> jester-, appena puoi scrivimi ti prego\n<cri> ciao\n<Liink> CIao\n<akhilleus> sera\n<cri> akhilleus: ciao\n<Liink> Sera\n<Liink> Ciao a tutti, volevo chiedervi una cosa... gioco ad un gioco \"Browser\" si chiama HaxBall, per giocarci serve Adobe Flash... il mio problema qual'è che io quando creo una stanza per far giocare le persone... diciamo che non laggano ma dopo un pò inizia a scattarmi e a scattargli, lo stesso quando entro nelle stanze degli altri dopo poco mi comincia a scattare, per quale motivo ? Ad esempio su windows non mi da questo problema\n<Riccardone> tiè : http://news.wintricks.it/web/sicurezza/37697/internet-explorer-10-e-il-piu-sicuro/\n<w4x> ciao\n<Riccardone> w4x ciao\n<w4x> chi mi aiuta?! devo aprire un programma di windows con wine ma non riesco perchè questo programma mi chiede di eseguirlo come amministratore\n<w4x> ciao Riccardone\n<Riccardone> chi ti chiede di eseguire come Amministratore cosa ?\n<Riccardone> w4x : apri un terminale e digita \"sudo wine\"\n<w4x> ok\n<w4x> fatto\n<Riccardone> è partito ?\n<w4x> Usage: wine PROGRAM [ARGUMENTS...] Run the specified program\n<w4x> wine --help Display this help and exit\n<w4x> wine --version Output version information and exit\n<w4x> questo è quello che mi compare\n<Riccardone> http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?t=512801\n<Riccardone> http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?t=359271\n<Riccardone> vedi se può fare al caso tuo ..\n<w4x> ok grazie\n<filippo> sera ragazzi\n<filippo> come faccio da live cd a sapere se il pc ha memoria grafica e quanta ne ha?\n<jester-> filippo: memoria grafica?\n<filippo> si memoria dedicata o condivisa della scheda grafica\n<filippo> jester-, pardon, scheda video\n<jester-> filippo: free -m e vedi la ram\n<jester-> filippo: top vedi i servizi\n<filippo> grazie jester-\n<Rik_84> >Salve a tutti, ho installato ubuntu 13.04 su un portatile ma l'unica cosa che non va e la regolazione della luminosità col tasto fn... Qualcuno e in grado di aiutarmi?\n<jester-> Rik_84: marca tipo?\n<Rik_84> jester, acer one 756\n<jester-> Rik_84: prova a riavviare al menu grub pigi il tasto e\n<jester-> Rik_84: cerca la riga con quiet slpash e aggiungi: acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor\n<jester-> Rik_84: se funza lo si rende definitivo\n<Rik_84> jester-, ora provo\n<jester-> Rik_84: una volta aggiunta la stringa F10 per fare il boot\n<URUS> mi date una mano devo installare un kernel inferiore\n<Rik_84> jester-, non va\n<jester-> Rik_84: scritto bene?\n<jester-> dopo spalsh?\n<jester-> splash\n<Rik_84> jester-, nella riga di splah ho fatto spazio e digitato quello che mi hai detto\n<jester-> Rik_84: non mi viene in mente altro\n<Rik_84> con la 12.04 avevo seguito un comando e poi andava ma non lo trovo\n<Rik_84> jester-, grazie lo stesso provo a navigare ancora un po nei forum... grazie\n<Rik_84> ciao\n<IraDivina> jessy te ne intendi di qtdesigner?\n<jester-> IraDivina: none\n<IraDivina> :(\n<Valgio63> jester-, ciao, ci sei o sei già a nanna?\n<Valgio63> jester-, ok, sei a nanna!\n<jester-> Valgio63: cu fu\n<Valgio63> jester-, ti volevo salutare , finalmente ho quasi ottimizzato la mia distro e sono quasi pronto per un remastersis/backup!\n<jester-> ciumbia\n<Valgio63> jester-, manca veramente poco!\n<jester-> Valgio63: 13.04?\n<Valgio63> jester-, 12.04.2, dubito che il pc mi regga la 13.04!ho qualche picoproblema con Mate ma direi di poco conto, non mi piace nessuno dei temi predefiniti!\n<jester-> Valgio63: facile che te lo velocizzi con kubuntu\n<Valgio63> Anche l'amiance che uso qui su gnome viene decisamente diverso!\n<Valgio63> ambiance!\n<Valgio63> jester-, perchè kde è pi lesto?\n<jester-> eeepc è rinato\n<jester-> con le qt4 pare disi\n<Valgio63> jester-, dagli con sti' refusi di tastiera! Uhmmmm ma devo reinstallare il tutto o posso provare ad installarlo qui?\n<jester-> adesso che hai\n<Valgio63> jester-, Ubuntu!\n<jester-> si ma non 13\n<jester-> Valgio63: prova la live\n<Valgio63> Con Gnome,Mate e Cairo (anche se non gira...troppo vecchio!\n<Valgio63> jester-, potrei provare in seguito, ma gli effetti di compiz vanno anche li? non ho mai provato kde.\n<jester-> li ha per conto suo gli effetti, compiz non è piu sviluppato\n<Valgio63> jester-, ganzo! quasi quasi ci provo! ovvio che in live però non gireranno, anche perchè se è come ubuntu devo sempre avviare in nomodeset, i nouveau non mi vanno!\n<jester-> prova da usb\n<Valgio63> jester-, finisco di personalizzare il mio, e poi lo installo sull'ha, poi kubuntu lo metto sul disco di prova! Dove ho questo adesso.\n<Valgio63> jester-, la struttura è uguale? ovvero le cartelle del file system, grub etc.?\n<Valgio63> jester-, dovrebbe no? in fondo sempre debian è!\n<jester-> Valgio63: secondo me è anche un po meglio\n<jester-> grub è piu aggiornato come versione, quello whhezy è da tristezza\n<Valgio63> jester-, di debian? certo! ho finito stamani di personalizzare un Mint Maya al lavoro stamani!\n<jester-> certo che per lavorare i tarocchi....\n<Valgio63> jester-, sai chi lo usa ha usato sempre xp.......già il fatto di avere il menù al contrario me li metteva in tilt!\n<Valgio63> jester-, \" Ma dovè il tasto START?????\" Non c'è c...ne!\n<Valgio63> jester-, Vedo che con quello vanno un po' meglio. Tanto per quello che devono fare..........!\n<jester-> Valgio63: per le tipe serve kde che è quello piu convenzionale\n<jester-> unity non ha senso e gnome 3 è zoppo e pare stia per essere abbandonato\n<Valgio63> jester-, MAGARI CI FOSSE UN PO? DI F... DA ME! Le uniche tipe sono ai piani alti delle FS!!\n<Valgio63> jester-, Tutti maschietti!\n<Valgio63> jester-, ce ne una di Bastia Umbra che....se avessi un po' meno anni e non fossi sposato! e una Riz......zi!\n<jester-> sigh\n<Valgio63> jester-, Non vorrei esser troppo volgare!\n<Valgio63> jester-, Ma è proprio BONA. Due pozze la posto degli occhi! E tutte le curve al posto giusto!\n<Valgio63> jester-, partito lo scaricamento. Mi va a singhiozzo, non ho mai capito se il problema è il pc o questi aggeggi che mi fanno la rete con la corrente a 220??? Boh! LOL\n<jester-> sono i server\n<Valgio63> jester-, altri 17 minuti poi lo metto sull'usb con multisystem. Grazie per ora ci risentiamo.\n<Valgio63> 'NOTTE A TUTTI!!!! XD\n<jester-> notte\n<Guest3362> ciao ragazzi potreste aiutarmi con linux ubuntu?????????\n#ubuntu-it 2013-05-24\n<URUS> ragazzi non mi compare crea nuovo documento con il tasto destro\n<URUS> ubuntu13.10\n<URUS> che a quanto pare è 13.04\n<weltall> ci sono stato meno ad installare arch che windows XD\n<cri> giorno\n<massy> giorno\n<cri> .-.\n<glpiana> ola\n<akis24> giorno\n<cristian_c> ciao\n<cristian_c> il problema è questo: da un po' di tempo ho notato che non funzionano più i tasti volume del laptop. Ad esempio, il tasto toggle funziona in parte perché se lo premo, l'audio viene disattivato ma, se lo premo nuovamente, non viene riattivato\n<cristian_c> Qualche idea?\n<flavio> ciao\n<Guest45919> cia\n<Guest45919> ciao\n<Guest45919> qualcuno mi può aiutare con 12.04\n<cristian_c> !qualcuno | Guest45919\n<ubot-it> Guest45919: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<Guest45919> ok\n<Guest45919> io ho ubuntu 12.04 lts andava benissimo fino a un mesetto fa\n<Guest45919> facevo gli aggiornamenti finchè\n<Guest45919> un giorno dopo un aggiornamento accendo ubuntu apro firefox o chrome navigo un pò e poi nautilisu mi si imballa in modo pazzesco\n<Guest45919> che nn funziona più niente e devo spegnere un i7 con il pulsante....\n<cristian_c> Guest45919, digita questo comando: cat /etc/apt/sources.list && ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/\n<cristian_c> !paste | Guest45919\n<ubot-it> Guest45919: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<mettiu> Si tratta di uno script per il menu contestuale di nautilus, quindi copiatelo in /home/utente/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/ e rendetelo eseguibile. Accetto commenti e consigli\n<mettiu> mi dite cosa devo fare per fare questo ?\n<mettiu> grazie\n<cristian_c> mettiu, ?\n<mettiu> si io\n<cristian_c> mettiu, riparti dall'inizio\n<cristian_c> XD\n<mettiu> buongiorno\n<cristian_c> ok\n<mettiu> ho letto da qualche parte che non si deve presentarsi dire chi mi aiuta e robe del genere.\n<mettiu> chiedo scusa\n<mettiu> http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?t=130422\n<cristian_c> mettiu, sì, ma il problema sì\n<mettiu> devo convertire\n<glpiana> mettiu, su che versione di ubuntu sei?\n<mettiu> molte .nef in jpg\n<Guest45919> io nn ho capito cosa fare..\n<mettiu> nef il formato di raw di nikon\n<mettiu> come faccio a dirti che versione uso ?\n<Guest45919> devo incollare quel comando lì e poi?\n<cristian_c> Guest45919, ok, apri il terminale e digita il comando che ho indicato\n<cristian_c> Guest45919, poi, utilizza pastebin per incollare il risultato\n<cristian_c> mettiu, lsb_release -a\n<glpiana> mettiu, se non sai il numero della versione che hai installato, apri un terminale e scrivi: lsb_release -r\n<mettiu> 12.10\n<mettiu> ho uno script trovato nella pagine che vi ho linkato\n<glpiana> mettiu, ora nel terminale scrivi: ls .gnome2/nautilus-scripts/\n<mettiu> ls: impossibile accedere a .gnome2/nautilus-scripts/: File o directory non esistente\n<cristian_c> dev'essere creata\n<mettiu> ok fatto\n<mettiu> ha fatto\n<glpiana> mettiu, scrivi: locate nautilus-scripts\n<mettiu> ok\n<glpiana> fatto cosa?\n<mettiu> !pastebin\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<mettiu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5696176/\n<glpiana> mettiu, oki, ma l'hai creata tu ora?\n<mettiu> cosa ?\n<glpiana> mettiu, allora, sintonizzati: prima hai dato ls .gnome2/nautilus-scripts/ e ti ha risposto : File o directory non esistente\n<glpiana> mettiu, poi invece risulta esistere\n<mettiu> no gl piana perchè\n<glpiana> mettiu, quindi?\n<mettiu> ero in na altra cartella con cd\n<mettiu> poi ho riaperto il terminale\n<mettiu> ed ha funzionato\n<mettiu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5696177/\n<glpiana> ah ok.\n<mettiu> questo è lo script (non lho fatto io) non ne sono capace\n<glpiana> mettiu, ora col temrinale piazzati nella directory in cui si trova lo script\n<mettiu> non ho ancora piazzato lo script\n<mettiu> non ne sono capace\n<glpiana> mettiu, devi ancora crearlo?\n<mettiu> si\n<mettiu> non sono capace\n<mettiu> come fare a crearlo ?\n<cristian_c> mettiu, copialo in un file di testo\n<glpiana> meglio. scrivi nel temrinale: touch .gnome2/nautilus-scripts/nome_che_ti_piace\n<glpiana> mettiu, dagli il nome che preferisci\n<glpiana> cristian_c, posso continuare io o vuoi fare tu?\n<mettiu> ok fatto glpiana\n<glpiana> cristian_c, in due non è il caso\n<glpiana> mettiu, dimmi il nome, così ti do il comando successivo\n<mettiu> nikonconvert\n<cristian_c> glpiana, come preferisci, io non interferisco, se è il caso\n<glpiana> cristian_c, sì, è il caso. grazie ;)\n<glpiana> mettiu, scrivi: gedit .gnome2/nautilus-scripts/nikonconvert\n<glpiana> mettiu, ti si apre l'editor, copia il contenuto dello script che hai messo su pastebin prima e salva il file\n<mettiu> ok salvato\n<mettiu> il colore del testo diventa da bianco a colorato\n<glpiana> mettiu, chiudi l'editor e torna al terminale\n<mettiu> si\n<mettiu> ok\n<glpiana> mettiu, scrivi: chmod +x .gnome2/nautilus-scripts/nikonconvert\n<mettiu> ok fatto\n<mettiu> scritto\n<glpiana> mettiu, ora apri nautilus e cliccando col tasto destro dovresti vedere una nuova voce relativa agli script\n<flaviooo> ciao\n<mettiu> si vedo\n<flaviooo> sono rietrato da un altro pc\n<mettiu> grazie ora prova e ti faccio sapere\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, hai digitato?\n<flaviooo> si\n<mettiu> glpiana\n<mettiu> perfetto funziona grazie\n<flaviooo> mi riscrivi dove devo incolllare quello che è uscito?\n<glpiana> mettiu, bene. se vuoi aggiungere altri script devi fare la stessa cosa. con chmod +x abbiamo reso eseguibile il file. il metterlo in quella directory lo rende subito disponibile a menu\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, digita questo comando: cat /etc/apt/sources.list && ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/\n<mettiu> ok, sto cominciando ora a capire il funzionamento del file nef e raw, sono file grezzi, quello script mi salva le immagini da raw a jpg, ma non fa nessun tipo di trasformazioni sono sgranate !\"!! è un problema, cmq molto meglio di niente, ciao\n<flaviooo> l'ho fatto\n<flaviooo> chris\n<flaviooo> ora dove ti incollo il risultato?\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, incolla il risultato su pastebin\n<cristian_c> !paste | flaviooo\n<ubot-it> flaviooo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<flaviooo> ho postato c'è?\n<flaviooo> io so come risolvere il problema devo solo tornare alla versione linux precedente\n<flaviooo> infatti in questo mese sto facendo così\n<flaviooo> accendo poi faccio due volte freccia giu nel grub e vado su previous linux vers\n<flaviooo> poi ancora due volte freccia giu e vado in una versione di linux precedente quel maledetto aggiornamneto che è stabile e si può usare; ora io vorrei rimettere nel grub al proimo posto la versione vecchia e stabile e cancellar e la versione che da il problema si può??\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, va beh, allora non è difficile\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, hai installato dei kernel?\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, comunque, non hai incollato l'indirizzo della pagina\n<glpiana> mettiu, hai già provato ad aprirle con gimp munito dei plugin gimp-dcraw o gimp-ufraw?\n<flaviooo> io sono andato su pèaste bin in pooster ho messo flaviooo e nellla finetsra ho incollato tutto\n<flaviooo> lo rifaccio\n<cristian_c> sì\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, poi posta qui il link\n<flaviooo> lo vedi? adesso?\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, devi copiare qui l'indirizzo\n<flaviooo> ah ok\n<flaviooo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5696194/\n<flaviooo> cristian_c si vede\n<flaviooo> ?\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, sì\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, hai installato anche qualche kernel?\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, digita: uname -r\n<flaviooo> io facevo tutti gli aggiornamneti e di conseguenza mi cambiav la veersione di lkinux che venivano incolonnate una sotto l'altra nel grub, poi avervo seguito un tutorial per reistallare il grub infatti dopo quel comando che nn ricordo + quandoi accendo nn ho più la schermata nera ne viola diel grub ma c'è un mondo con le stelle disegnate e la scritta debian poi mi loggo alla versione 38 (vecchia) e tutto funza, erò io adesso vor\n<cristian_c> debian?\n<cristian_c> lol\n<flaviooo> si\n<flaviooo> debian\n<flaviooo> a qualcuno dopo gli aggiornamneti è succcesso che si blocca tutto come a me o no?\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, è strano, digita il comando\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, mi chiedo cosa c'entri debian, comunque\n<flaviooo> lho digitato -r\n<flaviooo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5696211/\n<francesc1> Salve a tutti, posseggo la seguente MB Asus P8Z77-I Deluxe e vorrei installare ubuntu in raid, mi consigliate il raid software gestito da ubuntu o il raid hardware di intel?\n<francesc1> raid1\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, è strano ce il kernel faccia così\n<cristian_c> *quel kernel\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, uhm\n<flaviooo> DIMMI\n<akis24> uhm oggi sulla precise si è passati alla versione 3.2.0-44 almeno da me è va' tutto bene\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, a che ora si è verificato l'ultimo freeze\n<cristian_c> 3.2.0-41-generic\n<cristian_c> *?\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, con quale kernel hai il problema?\n<akis24> uname -r\n<akis24> 3.2.0-44-generic-pae\n<cristian_c> akis24, eppure li ho fatti ora gli aggiornamenti\n<cristian_c> ah, non ho riavviato il sistema\n<akis24> cristian_c: stamattina io ..\n<glpiana> akis24, hai i proposed attivi immagino\n<flaviooo> con il 40\n<flaviooo> e col 39\n<akis24> cristian_c: no\n<flaviooo> perchè dato che l'ha fatto sul 40 ho detto vado sul 39 aggiorno e magari si rimette a posto\n<flaviooo> invece no dopo l'agggmento si è rovinato anche il 39\n<flaviooo> ora quindi nuso il 38\n<cristian_c> glpiana, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5696194/\n<cristian_c> glpiana, no\n<glpiana> cristian_c, no cosa?\n<flaviooo> dunque la cosa + semplice è rimetter eil 38 in cima al grub e poi nn aggiorno più niente e boom\n<cristian_c> glpiana, non sono i proposed attivi\n<cristian_c> è strano, i kernel non si rovinano\n<glpiana> cristian_c, e tu dai sources di flaviooo capisci se akis24 ha o meno i proposed?\n<cristian_c> glpiana, ops\n<cristian_c> :P\n<flaviooo> cristian_c quindi cosa faccio?\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, sei sicuro che sia un problema di kernel\n<cristian_c> ?\n<cristian_c> flaviooo, disinstalla i nuovi kernel ad esempio\n<cristian_c> dal gestore pacchetti\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<glpiana> cristian_c, guarda la riga 61 del pastebin riferito ai source lst\n<flaviooo> e come si fa dal gestore pacchetti?\n<cristian_c> google-chrome.list\n<glpiana> cristian_c, eh, è normale che ci sia?\n<cristian_c> glpiana, nulla di che, quel repo contiene soltanto google chrome\n<cristian_c> glpiana, ho fatto postar eanche il contenuto della directory sources.list.d\n<glpiana> cristian_c, no, quella riga in sources.list non c'entra un belino. fagli fare un sudo apt-get update\n<cristian_c> per eventuale presenza di ppa\n<cristian_c> glpiana, non è presente nel file\n<cristian_c> falso allarme\n<glpiana> -.-\n<akis24> cristian_c: senti nel pomeriggio ci sei per caso ?\n<akis24> ops scusa non il posto giusto qui\n<cristian_c> akis24, credo proprio di no\n<cristian_c> lol\n<enrico__> Ciao avrei un problema ho un acer 7551g con ati hd 5470, ho installato sia la versione 12 che la 13 al momento dell'avvio vedo il mouse ma nessuna icona nella barra\n<enrico__> non vedo ne la barra in alto che quella veerticale\n<jester-> enrico__: control-t\n<jester-> enrico__: si apre il terminale?\n<enrico__> no nulla\n<enrico__> si muove solo il mouse\n<jester-> enrico__: vedi lo sfondo senza barre?\n<enrico__> esatto\n<enrico__> sfondo e mouse\n<jester-> enrico__: control F2 e vai in tty\n<jester-> ti logghi\n<jester-> sudo apt-get install dconf-tools\n<enrico__> non fa nulla con ctrl f2\n<jester-> dconf reset -f /org/compiz/\n<jester-> alt-F3?\n<enrico__> ha dato un errore chiamato copiz all'inizio\n<enrico__> nemmoalt f3\n<glpiana> ctrl+alt+f2\n<enrico__> ok\n<enrico__> questo va\n<enrico__> sono nel terminal\n<jester-> azzo mi dono dimenticato alt\n<jester-> enrico__: dai user e pass\n<jester-> sudo apt-get install dconf-tools\n<jester-> dconf reset -f /org/compiz/\n<enrico__> primo comando in elaborazione\n<enrico__> secondo\n<enrico__> error command line dbus-launch\n<francesc1> Salve a tutti, posseggo la seguente MB Asus P8Z77-I Deluxe e vorrei installare ubuntu in raid, mi consigliate il raid software gestito da ubuntu o il raid hardware di intel?\n<glpiana> francesc1, diciamo che ti sconsigliamo raid\n<glpiana> enrico__, ma da live funziona correttamente? vedi barra e icone?\n<jester-> enrico__: rm -r .compiz\n<jester-> enrico__: rm -r .compiz-1\n<jester-> enrico__: rm -r .config\n<jester-> enrico__: rm -r .gnome2\n<jester-> enrico__: sudo lightdm stop\n<jester-> enrico__: sudo lightdm start\n<enrico__> mi da directory non esiste con .compiz\n<francesc1> glpiana, perchè?\n<Serpico> Ciao\n<enrico__> gli altri comandi dopo compiz-1 vanno\n<enrico__> sudo ligthdm stop mi da tre ok con broken pipe\n<jester-> enrico__: sa di os a bottane\n<jester-> sudo rebbot\n<jester-> sudo reboot\n<enrico__> cavolo appena installato\n<enrico__> non è che con ati fai i capricci?\n<enrico__> ho riavviato\n<enrico__> ora le icone e la barra si vedono\n<glpiana> francesc1, non mi pare che ci sia un gran supporto per raid\n<enrico__> mi da solo che c'è un problema con la ricerca degli aggiornamenti\n<jester-> enrico__: cioè?\n<enrico__> in altro mi compare un simbolo divieto\n<enrico__> se clicco mi dicie si è verificato un problema durante la verifica\n<enrico__> delgli aggiornamenti\n<Green_Theragon_9> Ciao a tutti :)\n<glpiana> enrico__, apri un terminale\n<glpiana> enrico__, scrivi: sudo apt-get update\n<enrico__> fatto\n<jester-> enrico__: sudo apt-get update\n<jester-> lol\n<enrico__> mi da tutto fatto\n<enrico__> riavvio?\n<jester-> enrico__: sudo apt-get upgrade\n<enrico__> fatto anche quello\n<jester-> enrico__: ha aggiornato quALCOSA?\n<enrico__> ora dopo il riavvio è sparita la scritta\n<jester-> enrico__: non serve riavviare se non ha dato errori\n<enrico__> magicamente sono risparire le barre\n<enrico__> sia sopra che di lato\n<jester-> enrico__: hai messo qualche ppa?\n<enrico__> no\n<jester-> enrico__: ridai dconf reset -f /org/compiz/\n<enrico__> da lo stesso errore di prima\n<enrico__> dbus launch\n<jester-> fa anche sudo lightdm stop e sudo lighdm start\n<enrico__> con il comando lightdm mi da stopping system V runlevel compatibility\n<enrico__> poi è fermo\n<enrico__> a lampeggiare sotto e non posso inserire il comando di start\n<jester-> enrico__: riavvia\n<lellons> installare driver ati scheda hd 530v\n<enrico__> ok\n<enrico__> saranno mica i driver ati?\n<enrico__> sapete come posso installare da terminale?\n<cristian_c> lellons, se sono presenti, basta che vai in Driver aggiuntivi e li attivi\n<lellons> grazie cristian ma in driver aggiuntivi non li segnala premetto ubuntu 13.01\n<jester-> lellons: se hai una ati e driver aggiuntivi non segnala nulla va bene cosi\n<lellons> allora cosa si può fare\n<jester-> lellons: che problema avresti\n<cristian_c> lellons, per fare cosa?\n<jester-> lellons: sta uando il radeon open\n<jester-> e va bene\n<jester-> lellons: lsmod | grep radeon cosa risponde\n<lellons> non riconosce la presa hdmi e di conseguenza il suono, in partenza cricca il video poi parte\n<cristian_c> lellons, hai guardato nella finestra di configrazione dell'audio?\n<lellons> si ma non rileva hdmi\n<cristian_c> lellons, posta una schermata\n<cristian_c> !image | lellons\n<ubot-it> lellons: Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<tado> ciao a tutti. sto facendomi venire il mal di testa per impostare il dizionario di libreoffice di modo che distingua american e british english. qualcuno sa darmi una mano?\n<lellons> ho avuto problemi nell'istallazione dei driver proprietari dandomi furi un errore\n<jester-> lellons: se aggiuntivi non vede proprietari hai fatto un danno\n<lellons> come rimediare\n<cristian_c> lol\n<jester-> lellons: sudo /usr/share/ati/amd-uninstall.sh\n<jester-> lellons: sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglu1-mesa\n<jester-> lellons: sudo reboot\n<aleritty> Ciao a tutti! Sto cercando di bootare la iso di raring in modalità UEFI, ma non riesco a farlo partire\n<aleritty> come non detto... il solo fatto di aver aperto la chat ha sbloccato il boot :-D\n<Liink> Salve a tutti, ho un problema con skype 4.2... in poche parole non mi permette ti fare chiamate per problemi audio, vorrei installare skype 4.1 com'è il comando ?\n<massy> Liink, devi disinstallare la 4,2\n<massy> che sistema usi?\n<Liink> massy: no la 4,1 perchè la 4,2 mi da problemi\n<massy> che versione hai installato?\n<Liink> massy: per ora nessuna\n<massy> da terminale usa: sudo apt-get install skype -y\n<Liink> massy: poi ?\n<massy> e poi si installa skype, preso direttamente dai repository\n<massy> quidi presumo sia la versione 4.1\n<enrico__> provo ad installare la versione 11\n<massy> cosa enrico__\n<enrico__> non riesco a fare nulla con la 12 e la 13 non vedo nulla\n<massy> enrico__, spiegati meglio\n<enrico__> praticamente mi sparisce la barra sopra e quella orizzonttale\n<Liink> massy: ok grazie ora provo\n<massy> enrico__, che usi??\n<enrico__> mi hanno suggerito di fare delle cose ma non vanno\n<massy> Liink, prego\n<enrico__> ati\n<enrico__> hd 5470\n<massy> mm enrico__ intendevo che sistema operativo usi?\n<enrico__> ora ho intallato la 12 lts\n<cristian_c> massy, a proposito, ho notato che skype non ha le decorazioni finestra\n<cristian_c> massy, con i pulsanti ecc...\n<enrico__> ma anche con la 13 fa la stessa cosa\n<massy> cristian_c, ma son basilari??\n<cristian_c> massy, cioè a tutto schermo e non posso chiudere la finestra\n<massy> F11?\n<cristian_c> massy, no, non c'è proprio niente\n<massy> cristian_c, ma mi stai a pigliare per i fondelli?\n<massy> ahahaha\n<cristian_c> massy, devo chiuderlo dalla barra delle applicazioni con Chiudi\n<enrico__> cosa mi consigli massy?\n<cristian_c> massy, NO, PROVATO SU DUE PC DIVERSI\n<cristian_c> ops\n<massy> cristian_c, semplice, cambia il pc\n<cristian_c> massy, lo fa su due pc diversi\n<massy> aspetta un sec che apro il mio skype così controllo\n<massy> uff\n<cristian_c> ok\n<cristian_c> io ho 4.2\n<glpiana> cristian_c, anche io ho la 4.2 e le cornici ci sono\n<cristian_c> glpiana, è strano\n<cristian_c> glpiana, non ho trovato nessuna opzione nelle impostazioni\n<glpiana> cristian_c, no, è normale che ci siano\n<cristian_c> per far apparire le decorazioni\n<cristian_c> cioè la bbarra del titolo con i pulsanti\n<cristian_c> *barra\n<massy> strano io uso la ubuntu 12.04 lts e nn ce skype in USC\n<massy> rigiro il problema\n<massy> ahahaha\n<cristian_c> mi pare sia nei partner\n<massy> vado a pranzo, a dopo gente bye\n<cristian_c> ma forse non l'ho trovato neanche lì\n<cristian_c> massy, non ricordo come l'ho installato\n<glpiana> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ raring/partner amd64 Packages\n<cristian_c> glpiana, la cosa strana è che i partner non sono elencati in synaptic\n<glpiana> aggiungili\n<cristian_c> glpiana, in sorgenti software sono spuntati\n<cri> lo sto riscaricando ccr urbanterror\n<cri> scusate sbagliato canale\n<cristian_c> glpiana, continuano a non apparire\n<glpiana> cristian_c, in sources.list ci sono?\n<cristian_c> glpiana, sì\n<glpiana> bon\n<cristian_c> ma non in synaptics\n<cristian_c> *synaptic\n<glpiana> cristian_c, ma che stai guardando in synaptic?\n<Liink> massy: E: Impossibile trovare il pacchetto skype\n<cristian_c> glpiana, orgine\n<cristian_c> *origine\n<glpiana> !image | cristian_c\n<ubot-it> cristian_c: Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<cristian_c> glpiana, a tutto schermo?\n<glpiana> cristian_c, basta vedere la colonna completa\n<cristian_c> glpiana, della finestra principale o delle proprietà del pacchetto?\n<cristian_c> ok, allora fullscreenezzo\n<Liink> crstian_c: scusami come posso mettere skype 4.1\n<cristian_c> Liink, prima di tutto, disinstalla la versione che hai\n<cristian_c> glpiana, non c'è l'appiglio per ridimensionare i pannelli di synaptic\n<glpiana> Liink, http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/s/skype/\n<glpiana> cristian_c, ma che interfaccia grafica usi?\n<cristian_c> glpiana, gtk\n<glpiana> cristian_c, da quel che dici sembra completamente \"sminchiata\"\n<cristian_c> glpiana, il punto è che vorrei mostrare tutti gli elementi della lista\n<glpiana> cristian_c, vado a mangiare, ne parliamo tra mezz'oretta\n<glpiana> ok?\n<cristian_c> ma se sapessi come ridimensionarlo...\n<cristian_c> sì\n<glpiana> a dopo\n<Liink> glpiana: scusami, mi ha installato la 4.0....\n<Liink> glpiana: scusami ho risolto\n<cristian_c> lol\n<mikeluzzo> ciao a tutti\n<mikeluzzo> c'è qualcuno che mi può aiutare?\n<massy> mikeluzzo, scrivi il tuo problema, se qualcuno sa, ti aiuta\n<mikeluzzo> ok grazie\n<massy> ma prego per così poco\n<mikeluzzo> praticamente ho un vecchio pc con xp professional... ho deciso di mettere in dual boot ubuntu 13\n<mikeluzzo> il problema che non mi fa istallare ubutu a fianco a xp\n<mikeluzzo> come mai?\n<massy> forse colpa del vekkio pc che ha il bios che nn sopporta il dual boot\n<massy> posso darti un consiglio??\n<massy> scaricati virtualbox, ed usa ubuntu in virtuale, così ti impratichisci, poi quando sarai diventato bravo ed autosufficiente, allora potrai compiere il grande passo\n<kimal73x> jester-: allora ho dato questo comando: sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.5.0-21-generic\n<mikeluzzo> ah ok grazie! non sapevo ci fossero bios che non sopportana il dual boot...\n<kimal73x> a cazzo ho sbagliato\n<kimal73x> il kernel\n<jester-> kimal73x: conumque non toglie il kernel in uso\n<massy> mikeluzzo, quelli vekki sicuramente, ma se forse puoi fare una ricerca su internet basandoti sul tuo modello\n<kimal73x> sì era questo quello giusto\n<kimal73x> sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.5.0-21-generic\n<jester-> vedi quante immagini hai con dpkg -l | grep linux-image\n<kimal73x> sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.8.0-21-generic jester-\n<jester-> kimal73x: la 21 è l'ultima stabile\n<kimal73x> jester-: parli della 3.8.0-21 ???\n<mikeluzzo> massy è un pc che sto riciclando da un vecchio ufficio, per girarlo ad un amico... mi avrebbe fatto piacere se poteva scegliere tra du SO :)\n<jester-> kimal73x: si\n<jester-> adesso cosa usi\n<kimal73x> jester-: è proprio quella che mi da problemi\n<kimal73x> ora ho la 3.5.0-26\n<kimal73x> e non ho problemi\n<massy> mikeluzzo, prova a rigirare la domanda a jester- lui magari lo sa\n<mikeluzzo> ok....\n<kimal73x> jester-: se volessi dare un comando che m'installa l'ultimo kernel stabile?\n<mikeluzzo> jester... non riesco a istallare ubuntu 13 a finaco di xp professional su un vecchio pc... è possibile che che il bios non supporti un dual boot?\n<Problemi> CIao a tutti ho un problema con il programma skype, ogni volta che cerco di fare una chiamata mi dice sempre problema riproduzione audio, ma con altri programmi VoIP questo problema non me lo da perchè?\n<massy> questo succede da quando skype è stato acquistato dalla microsoft, ci avete fatto caso??\n<jester-> kimal73x: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-generic\n<Problemi> massy: come posso risolvere ?\n<kimal73x> jester-: per essere sicuro che non m'installa cose di terze parti?\n<jester-> Problemi: che skype hai messo\n<glpiana> cristian_c, ci sono\n<Problemi> jester-, 4.1\n<jester-> kimal73x: vai in sorgenti software e disattivi i proposed\n<jester-> Problemi: da repo o da sito\n<mikeluzzo> jester- ... non riesco a istallare ubuntu 13 a finaco di xp professional su un vecchio pc... è possibile che che il bios non supporti un dual boot?\n<jester-> mikeluzzo: hai solo xp adesso sul pc?\n<cristian_c> glpiana, anch'io\n<mikeluzzo> sì jester-\n<glpiana> cristian_c, vediamo sta schermata innanzitutto, anche se non riesci ad allargare la colonna\n<jester-> mikeluzzo: hai spazio libero in xp?\n<cristian_c> glpiana, non trovo la maniglia verticale\n<cristian_c> in altezza no\n<kimal73x> jester-: i proposed non sono abilitati ma i raring-backports sì. disabilito?\n<jester-> mikeluzzo: se non hai spazio non c'è vesro\n<jester-> kimal73x: si\n<kimal73x> jester-: è quella la sminchiata che ho fatto allora\n<jester-> kimal73x: lascia i parteners e gli extra\n<Problemi> jester-, da qui http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/s/skype/\n<cristian_c> glpiana, se non la allungo, non posso farti vedere tutta la lista del riquadro\n<kimal73x> jester-: ma ti assicuro che non ho mai attivato io manualmente sta cosa\n<cristian_c> eppure, è a schermo intero\n<kimal73x> lo avrà fatto qualche software al posto mio\n<glpiana> cristian_c, fa nulla posta l'immagine intanto\n<mikeluzzo> jester- c'è un unica partizione dove dentro ci sta xp...\n<jester-> Problemi: perchè fare le capriole quendo abilitando i parteners ed extra lo mette apt?\n<Problemi> jester-, ??\n<jester-> mikeluzzo: appunto ma se la partizione è piena dove lo trova lo spazio per fare una linux\n<jester-> Problemi: apri software center\n<jester-> comincia a togliere skype\n<kimal73x> jester-: ma perchè skype da tutti sti problemi?\n<mikeluzzo> jester- quindi dovrei re-installare xp partizionando in disco... cioè lasciando tipo 20gb liberi?\n<jester-> kimal73x: è l'utonto che se li va a cercare\n<kimal73x> jester-: allora è stato skype ad abilitare i patners?\n<cristian_c> glpiana, http://imagebin.org/258776\n<jester-> mikeluzzo: svuota il cestino di xp poi controlli quanto spazio libero ha\n<Problemi> jester-, ok ora ?\n<jester-> Problemi: ora vai in impostazioni-->sorgenti software\n<glpiana> cristian_c, anzitutto è normale che tu non possa allungare la colonna, quindi non preoccuparti per quello. dopodichè usa lo scrolla e fai un'altra schermata con le restanti righe\n<Problemi> jester-, scusami ho messo da poco unity quindi mi ci devo ambientare usavo sempre gnome classic\n<mikeluzzo> ok jester- appena finisce di re installare windows^^\n<jester-> Problemi: gksu software-properties-gtk\n<kimal73x> jester-: disabilitati i proposed, reinstallato ultimo kernel stabile ma al riavvio escono scritte e poi si avvia bene.\n<Problemi> jester-, ok poi ?\n<jester-> kimal73x: se i avvia va bene\n<kimal73x> jester-: ok grazie\n<jester-> Problemi: altro software e abilita parteners e indipendente\n<cristian_c> glpiana, http://imagebin.org/258777\n<glpiana> cristian_c, cerca skype\n<Problemi> jester-, già c'era\n<cristian_c> glpiana, fatto\n<jester-> Problemi: hai rimosso skype?\n<glpiana> cristian_c, lo trova?\n<Problemi> jester-, sisi\n<cristian_c> glpiana, sì, ma non so la provenienza\n<jester-> Problemi: rm -r -Skype\n<glpiana> cristian_c, è installato?\n<cristian_c> glpiana, certo\n<jester-> Problemi: sudo apt-get install skype\n<cristian_c> glpiana, sono i partner che non appaiono\n<jester-> Problemi: rm -r .Skype pardon\n<glpiana> cristian_c, nel temrinale: apt-cache policy skype\n<cristian_c> glpiana, 500 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ precise/partner i386 Packages\n<cristian_c> Installato: 4.2.0.11-0ubuntu0.12.04.1\n<cristian_c> apt-cache policy\n<cristian_c> non me lo ricordavo bene\n<cristian_c> lo userò spess\n<Problemi> jester-, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5696645/\n<jester-> Problemi: sudo apt-get update\n<jester-> Problemi: sudo apt-get install skype\n<glpiana> cristian_c, torna su synaptic e guarda l'elenco dei server a sinistra. vedi che hai due voci per precise/main?\n<jester-> Problemi: dovrebbe piare il 4.2\n<cristian_c> glpiana, sì\n<Problemi> jester-, lo stesso errore\n<glpiana> cristian_c, clicca su quella di archive.canonical.com\n<Problemi> jester-, ora funziona ho dovusto togliere la spunta a partener di canonical\n<cristian_c> glpiana, fatto, escono i due pacchetti di skype\n<glpiana> cristian_c, quello è prtner\n<jester-> Problemi: non era quello\n<jester-> mancava update\n<cristian_c> skype e skype-bin\n<Problemi> jester-, nono ora lo installa\n<cristian_c> glpiana, confesso he un riferimento esplicito in synaptic avrebbe aiutato sin dall'inizio\n<jester-> Problemi: i parteners li lascerei abilitati\n<Problemi> jester-, ok... non lo installa...\n<glpiana> cristian_c, e vabbè :)\n<jester-> !info skype\n<ubot-it> skype (source: skype): client for Skype VOIP and instant messaging service. In component main, is extra. Version 4.1.0.20.0-0ubuntu0.13.04.2 (raring), package size 15 kB, installed size 61 kB (Only available for i386; amd64)\n<cristian_c> eh, neanche info dice che appartiene ai partner\n<cristian_c> :D\n<cristian_c> è implicito\n<jester-> Problemi: se non lo vede non hai abilitato gli extra indipendenti\n<Problemi> jester-, quindi cosa devo fare ?\n<jester-> Problemi: controllare che proposed e indipendenti sian abilitati\n<Problemi> jester-, si sono abilitati\n<jester-> Problemi: 13.04 o stai usando un tarocco\n<Problemi> jester-, uso la 12.04\n<jester-> Problemi: sempre li dentro sta skype negli extra\n<jester-> o indipendenti che siano\n<Problemi> e quindi ?^\n<kimal73x> jester-: il riavvio non va. si blocca tutto e devo cazzare reset.\n<jester-> Problemi: se sono abilitati dai sudo apt-get update e poi controlla nel center\n<jester-> kimal73x: vai a trovare la mamma e reinstallale il tutto\n<kimal73x> jester-: fammi capire cosa rischio a stare sulla 0.5.-26?\n<jester-> kimal73x: 0.5.-26?\n<Problemi> jester-, si ci sono\n<jester-> Problemi: installa allora\n<kimal73x> 3.5.0-26\n<jester-> kimal73x: ma che distro ha la mom\n<jester-> quantal?\n<kimal73x> jester-: ad entrambi ho installato l'ultima in corso\n<jester-> come faceva ad avere un kernel 3.8\n<jester-> 3.5 è quantal\n<kimal73x> ed ho sbagliato. potevo trestarmene con la LTS\n<jester-> kimal73x: ma va hai sbagliato a paicoccare\n<kimal73x> jester-: abbiamo la 13.04 nessun pacioccamento. abbiamo upgradato a versione nuova\n<jester-> kimal73x: la mom sta su tuo stesso pianerottolo?\n<kimal73x> jester-: purtroppo no ma non è molto lontana. ci vado nel pomeriggio\n<jester-> kimal73x: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade che mi sa che hai fatto casino\n<Problemi> jester-, ok dopo averlo installaro mi da sempre lo stesso errore\n<Problemi> jester-, qui il problema è sempre dell'audio è\n<kimal73x> jester-: l'unico casino che posso aver fatto è quello di non aver controllato di avere quei cacchio di patners abilitati\n<jester-> Problemi: rm -r .Skype\n<Problemi> jester-, ok\n<jester-> chidilo, riaprilo e vai nelle impostazioni skype audio e fai il test\n<kimal73x> jester-: dopo che ho fatto questo dist-upgrade, ossia l'aggiornamento che fo?\n<jester-> kimal73x: se non ha paccehtti in sospeso la reisntalli pulito\n<kimal73x> jester-: ??? e perchè mi stai facendo aggiornare se devo reinstallre tutto?\n<Problemi> jester-, poi\n<jester-> Problemi: il testo è positivo o non parla\n<Problemi> jester-, non parla\n<kimal73x> jester-: è un aggiornamentone questo che sto facendo. sta scaricando un casino di cose. mi sembra strano. è come se questa upgrade a nuova versione non l'avessi fatto o fossse andanto storto\n<jester-> Problemi: nelle impstazioni audio che alternative ti da. il mic funza?\n<jester-> kimal73x: mi sa che avete zompato mezzo aggiornamento\n<jester-> a quello serve il dist-upgrade\n<Problemi> jester-, allora ti spiego.. utilizzo ts3 che serve per parlare e fin qui nessun problema parlo traanquillamente e sento tutto, il problema sta in skype perchè non mi fa selezionare pulse audio dalle impostazioni di esso\n<jester-> Problemi: installa pavucontrol e a skype aperto controlla che succede\n<jester-> Problemi: non è che hai rimosso pulse?\n<Problemi> jester-, ho installato pavucontrol ma niente\n<jester-> Problemi: in configurazioni audio ingresso il mic è attivo?\n<Freddy1> uso ubuntu 13.04 64bit , come faccio ad installare skype?\n<Problemi> jester-, si\n<jester-> Problemi: se parli si muove il cusore?\n<Problemi> sisi\n<jester-> Problemi: non so che dirti sulla 13.04 funza perfetto\n<Problemi> bene...\n<Problemi> ok grazie lo stesso\n<Freddy1> jester-: uso ubuntu 13.04 64bit , come faccio ad installare skype?\n<Problemi> freddyl, o da sito o sudo apt-get install skype\n<jester-> Freddy1: gksu software-properties-gtk\n<Freddy1> Problemi: dal sito nn sono riuscito , provo da terminale , grazie\n<jester-> Freddy1: altro software, abilita parteners e indipendente\n<Freddy1> jester-: parter è già flaggato , indipendente nn c'è nella lista\n<Freddy1> partner*\n<Freddy1> Problemi: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5696712/\n<Freddy1> jester-: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5696712/\n<Problemi> freddyl, questo skype sta dando troppi problemi anche a me...\n<Freddy1> Problemi: hai visto il !paste? come posso risolvere?\n<Problemi> freddyl, sudo apt-get update e poi riprovi skype\n<jester-> Freddy1: se non segui\n<jester-> Freddy1: gksu software-properties-gtk\n<jester-> Freddy1: altro software, abilita parteners e indipendente\n<Freddy1> jester-: ho seguito , l'ho fatto , è già flaggato partners\n<jester-> Freddy1: e pure indipenseti\n<jester-> indipendenti* li dentro sta\n<Freddy1> jester-: come t ho già scritto prima, non c'è 'indipendenti' in quella lista\n<jester-> Freddy1: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get installa skype\n<Freddy1> c'è SOLO 'partners d canonical'\n<jester-> Freddy1: guarda bene che ci sono\n<jester-> appena sotto a parteners\n<Freddy1> jester-: guardato bene , non c sono\n<jester-> indipendenti o extra\n<Freddy1> jester-: c'è SOLO partner d canonical , non c'è altro\n<jester-> Freddy1: fai una foto al desktop e postala\n<jester-> !imagebin\n<ubot-it> Vuoi mostrarci una schermata del tuo problema? Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<Dix78> Salve ho un problema nella gestione delle finestre su Xubuntu. La nuova finestra è massimizzata ma non mi fa vedere i pulsanti per ridurre a icona o chiudere la finestra stessa. Per poter visualizzare quei pulsanti devo fare doppio click sulla barra del titolo.\n<Freddy1> jester-: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5696735/\n<jester-> chiudi softcenter\n<Freddy1> è già chiuso ubuntu sw center\n<Freddy1> jester-: come faccio? a 'fare 1 foto' al desktop?\n<jester-> Freddy1: chiudi anche sorgenti\n<jester-> Freddy1: tasto stamp\n<Freddy1> jester-: chiudo sw aggiornamenti?\n<jester-> Freddy1: eh\n<Freddy1> eh = si , presumo , ok\n<jester-> fai casino\n<mettiu> come faccio a rinominare piu' file contemperaneamente ?\n<Freddy1> mai fatto\n<Freddy1> jester-: http://imagebin.org/258781\n<glpiana> mettiu, fai un esempio di quello che vuoi fare\n<jester-> Freddy1: che distro hai\n<mettiu> file nella stessa cartella che si chiamano\n<Freddy1> jester-: ubuntu 13.04 64bit\n<mettiu> 1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg\n<mettiu> rinomionarli\n<mettiu> tutti assieme in asd esempio\n<mettiu> 1-1.jpg 1-2.jpg 1-3.jpg\n<jester-> Freddy1: in sorgenti aggiornamenti che hai\n<jester-> non è possibile che non ci siano gli extra\n<Freddy1> jester-: se intendi 'se aggiornamenti > aggiornamenti' sono flaggate tutte le caselle\n<Freddy1> sw*\n<jester-> Freddy1: si intende in sorgetni software\n<jester-> Freddy1: tab aggiornamenti cosa hai flaggato\n<jester-> Freddy1: sopra non eve essere flaggato solo proposed\n<jester-> proposti\n<Freddy1> jester-: software e aggiornamenti > aggiornamenti , sono flaggate tutte le caselle\n<jester-> Freddy1: sei in sorgenti software o da qualche altra parte\n<Freddy1> dove trovo sorgenti sw? come lo apro?\n<glpiana> mettiu, installa gprename\n<Freddy1> jester-: dove trovo sorgenti sw? come lo apro? io ho aperto sw e aggiornamenti\n<jester-> Freddy1: ma se ci sei appena stato\n<jester-> gksu oftware-properties-gtk\n<jester-> gksu software-properties-gtk\n<jester-> Freddy1: tab aggiornamenti che hai\n<jester-> Freddy1: ??\n<Freddy1> jester-: 6 tu che non mi segui , vabbé , comunque ti ripeto per la terza volta che scrivendo quel comando mi apre 'sofware e aggiornamenti' e al 'tab' aggiornamenti' sono flaggate tutte le caselle\n<Freddy1> aggiornamenti di sicurezza importanti , aggiornamenti raccomandati , aggiornamenti proposti , aggiornamenti non supportati\n<Freddy1> jester-: tutte quelle caselle , che ti ho appena scritto , sono tutte flaggate\n<Freddy1> jester-: se vuoi ti invio photo\n<jester-> Freddy1: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/501061/sorgenti1.png\n<jester-> a me va\n<jester-> c'è come dovrebbe essere\n<jester-> Freddy1: se poi te usi un ubuntu tarocco non so\n<Freddy1> jester-: uso ubuntu ufficiale , l'unico che c'è dal sito ubuntu.it , come risolvo?\n<jester-> Freddy1: non è normale non avere gli indipendenti da abilitare\n<Freddy1> jester-: infatti , come risolvo? come faccio? ad avere gli indipendenti da abilitare\n<jester-> aggiungi al sources list deb http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring main\n<jester-> deb-src http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring main\n<Freddy1> jester-: deb-src: comando non trovato\n<jester-> Freddy1: fai aggiungi\n<jester-> Freddy1: pii pelculo\n<Freddy1> no , quindi nn è 1 comando terminale\n<jester-> gksu software-properties-gtk\n<jester-> Freddy1: altro sotf aggiungi\n<jester-> http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu\n<jester-> Freddy1: verione raring\n<jester-> main\n<Freddy1> jester-: fatto ma non compare 'indipendenti'\n<jester-> Freddy1: compare la stringa nella finestra?\n<Freddy1> jester-: è come prima , quella finestra , con le stesse cose di prima\n<Freddy1> jester-: partner d canonical e java\n<jester-> Freddy1: se hai aggiunto non puo non coparire\n<jester-> comparire\n<jester-> Freddy1: aggiungi\n<Freddy1> jester-: se non mi credi ti invio photo\n<Freddy1> jester-: comunque se vuoi lo ri faccio no problem\n<jester-> Freddy1: rifallo\n<jester-> aggiungi nel primo box http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu\n<jester-> secondo metti raring\n<Freddy1> ho clickato aggiungi poi su riga apt ho scritto -> deb-src http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring main\n<jester-> nel tezzo main\n<Freddy1> poi ho clickato aggiungi sorgent4e\n<Freddy1> sorgente*\n<jester-> Freddy1: cosa ti ho scritto di fare\n<jester-> dove lo hai lo hai visto deb.src\n<jester-> Freddy1: http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu\n<jester-> rating e main\n<jester-> raring*\n<Freddy1> jester-: eccome dove l'ho visto -> [14:26] <jester-> deb-src http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring main\n<jester-> Freddy1: hai letto 60 righe sopra\n<jester-> e non leggi quello che ti scrivo\n<jester-> Freddy1: pare che trolli\n<Freddy1> non solo l'ho letto ma te l'ho anche incollato , vabbé , dimmi cosa devo fare , allora\n<glpiana> <jester-> Freddy1: aggiungi\n<glpiana> <jester-> aggiungi nel primo box http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu\n<glpiana> <jester-> secondo metti raring\n<glpiana> <jester-> nel tezzo main\n<Freddy1> jester-: pare che non vuoi aiutarmi , o forse non sai come risolvere , vabbé\n<TaLaDo> lol\n<Freddy1> jester-: ho clickato aggiungi e mi scrive comando apt\n<Freddy1> non ci sono primo secondo terzo box\n<glpiana> Freddy1, allora scirvi: deb http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring main\n<jester-> glpiana: lasaperd\n<Freddy1> jester-: ok è comparso indipendente , finalmente\n<jester-> ma va\n<Freddy1> ma si , ora cosa faccio?\n<glpiana> Freddy1, chiudi sorgenti software e nel temrinale scrivi: sudo apt-get update\n<mettiu> glpiana, dopo aver installato gprename ?\n<glpiana> mettiu, lo avvii e lo usi :)\n<uait> quando entra mibofra fate un fischio xD\n<mettiu> glpiana, funziona\n<mettiu> grazie ciao\n<Freddy1> glpiana: ok , ho fatto , grazie\n<Freddy1> glpiana: come faccio ad installare skype?\n<glpiana> Freddy1, nel terminale scrivi: apt-cache policy skype\n<glpiana> !paste | Freddy1\n<ubot-it> Freddy1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<uait> vabbe chiedo a voi nel frattempo. allora ho gimp, ma nei filtri ho il problema che ne manco alcuni, ovvero porta in rilievo e stroke, qualcuno sa come metterli?\n<Freddy1> glpiana: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5696974/\n<glpiana> Freddy1, sudo apt-get install skype\n<Freddy1> glpiana: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5696980/\n<glpiana> Freddy1, sudo apt-get -f install\n<uait> vabbe chiedo a voi nel frattempo. allora ho gimp, ma nei filtri ho il problema che ne manco alcuni, ovvero porta in rilievo e stroke, qualcuno sa come metterli?\n<glpiana> !repeat | uait\n<ubot-it> uait: non ripetere la tua domanda spesso, ogni N minuti. Non aumenterà le probabilità di ottenere una risposta ma provocherà solamente una reazione stizzita da parte degli altri utenti del canale. Se nessuno ti risponde riprova più tardi o utilizza le altre forme di supporto messe a dispozione dalla comunità .\n<Freddy1> glpiana: fatto , poi?\n<Freddy1> glpiana: se vuoi te lo !pasto\n<glpiana> fradeve, ha dato output?\n<glpiana> metti su pastebin, sì\n<calimer82> ciao a tutti\n<calimer82> ragazzi voi che comandi usate per pulire ubuntu?\n<Freddy1> glpiana: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5697002/\n<akhilleus> ciao a tutti\n<akhilleus> cristian ciao\n<glpiana> Freddy1, dpkg -l | grep skype\n<svingegneria> Ciao a tutti\n<Freddy1> glpiana: mi scrive 'comando non trovato'\n<glpiana> Freddy1, hai scritto male allora\n<Freddy1> glpiana: no , ho copia incollato\n<Freddy1> glpiana: ho scritto -> dpkg -l | grep skype\n<glpiana> Freddy1, metti su pastebin che vediamo cosa hai copiaincollato\n<Freddy1> glpiana: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5697017/\n<glpiana> Freddy1, beh, posso anche credere che \"l\" non sia un comando\n<Freddy1> glpiana: ops sorry ho capito perché\n<Freddy1> glpiana: ok comunque ho fatto , ora?\n<glpiana> Freddy1, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade\n<Freddy1> glpiana: fatto , te lo pasto?\n<glpiana> Freddy1, se ha installato qualcosa sì\n<Freddy1> glpiana: 0 installati\n<glpiana> Freddy1, apri sorgenti software e cambia il server da cui prendere i pacchetti\n<Freddy1> glpiana: spiegami come cambiare il server , please , ho aperto 'sw e aggiornamenti' poi?\n<glpiana> Freddy1, nella prima scheda c'è scritto: \"scaricare da\"\n<glpiana> clicca lì e scegli un server, tra quelli italiani, che sia garr o fastbull\n<Freddy1> glpiana: non ho capito , sorry , devo selezionare 'server in italia' ?\n<Freddy1> glpiana: o devo selezionare 'altro' ?\n<glpiana> Freddy1, selezioni \"altro\" e poi scegli un server di quelli che ti ho detto tra quelli italiani\n<Freddy1> glpiana: ho selezionato 'ubuntu.fastbull.org'\n<Freddy1> glpiana: ora cosa faccio?\n<glpiana> Freddy1, oki, chiudi sorgenti software e trona nel temrinale\n<glpiana> scrivi: sudo apt-get update\n<glpiana> Freddy1, poi copia quel che è uscito su pastebin\n<Freddy1> glpiana: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5697049/\n<glpiana> Freddy1, torna su sorgenti software e leva nella scheda aggiornamenti la spunta ai repository proposed\n<Freddy1> glpiana: ok , fatto , 'aggiornamenti proposti' ho tolto il flag\n<glpiana> Freddy1, chiudi e di nuovo sudo apt-get update\n<Freddy1> glpiana: te lo !pasto?\n<Freddy1> glpiana: ok fatto , poi?\n<glpiana> Freddy1, sudo apt-get install skype\n<Freddy1> glpiana: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5697085/\n<glpiana> Freddy1, sudo apt-get install skype-bin\n<Freddy1> glpiana: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5697090/\n<glpiana> Freddy1, apt-cache policy skype-bin\n<Freddy1> glpiana: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5697094/\n<glpiana> Freddy1, non capisco dove stia l'inghippo. vai qui http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/s/skype/ scaricati il file -deb e installalo cliccandoci sopra\n<glpiana> io stacco, ciao\n<Freddy1> QUALE , dei tanti , file.deb? :( vabbé\n<Guest36271> nel processo di installazione si vede tutto a righe\n<Guest36271> nn so come fare\n<Guest36271> non c'è nessuno che ha avuto il mio stesso problema?\n<jester-> Guest36271: se hai una scheda tipo sis è facile\n<elsa61> ciao\n<elsa61> ho installato ubuntu 12.04, ho visto che è uscito ubuntu 13.04 vale la pena utilizzarlo ??\n<roht> penso di si\n<jester-> elsa61: dipende\n<jester-> se il pc va bene no\n<elsa61> ilpc va bene con ubuntu 12.04\n<elsa61> nessun problema\n<elsa61> per ora\n<jester-> 12.04 + pure lts\n<jester-> se ci lavori ancora meglio\n<jester-> elsa61: dovresti fare 2 passaggi, diretto è permesso solo fra lts\n<elsa61> jester-, bisogna installare lts\n<jester-> elsa61: 12,04 è lts\n<jester-> long term suppot\n<jester-> supporto piu lungo\n<elsa61> jester-, ma ubuntu 12.04 non ha supporto di 3 anni\n<uait> qualcuno mi sa dare il link del download del filtro porta in rilievo gimp?\n<jester-> !rilasci\n<ubot-it> Scalette di rilascio: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Rilasci | Cicli di vita delle versioni: http://www.ubuntu-it.org/index.php?page=Rilascio_nuove_versioni\n<elsa61> quindi migliore 12.04\n<jester-> elsa61: è la piu stabile\n<elsa61> jester-, ok quindi mi tengo ancora ubuntu 12.04\n<jester-> potresti provare la live 13.04 e vedere come funza er pc\n<jester-> e vedere le differnze, consiglio kubuntu che come grafica è convenzionale molto configurabile\n<massy> anche perche il supporto vale 5 anni non piu 3\n<jester-> massy: e 5 anni?\n<jester-> hanno accorciato\n<massy> jester-, sapevo che la ubuntu 12.04 lts viene supportata per 5 anni con gli aggiornamenti\n<massy> hanno cambiato??\n<jester-> si la 12.04 è ancora 5 anni\n<jester-> dalla 13.04 hanno accorciato i tempi mica poco\n<jester-> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Rilasci\n<massy> ho letto jester-\n<massy> io uso la 12.04\n<massy> quindi per 5 anni la devo supportare ahahaha\n<sambuco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS\n<sambuco> quindi la 13.04 non è LTS ..\n<jester-> nu\n<jester-> scade gennaio prossimo il supporto\n<jester-> nove mesi invece che 2 anni\n<Danielson> hey\n<rasta81> ciao a tutti..\n<fourlastor> ciao a tutti :) penso di aver fatto qualche cazzata durante l'installazione di ubuntu e ora tutti i dispositivi li monta dentro a /media/daniele invece di /media, c'è un modo per risolvere? :D\n<nannes> !fstab | fourlastor, leggi qui\n<ubot-it> fourlastor, leggi qui: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Fstab\n<fourlastor> nannes, non ci sono direttive nell'fstab, già controllato\n<fourlastor> in pratica monta dentro a /media/daniele qualsiasi cosa se non specificato diversamente\n<rasta81> mi è capitato un problema (già avuto con ubuntu 12.10 e ora col 13.04) con notebook della mia morosa.. A installazione eseguita correttamente nel momento in cui vado a spegnerlo con la relativa icona invece di spegnersi si riavvia. Ho già fatto qualche ricerca sul web ma non sono riuscito a risolvere il mio problema..\n<jester-> fourlastor: /media/daniele l'hai creata tu o ha partizioni separate\n<rasta81> il fatto è che con la 12.10, non avendone necessità , non mi sono dilungato nelle ricerche e ho optato per rimettere su win 7... ora però con la 13.04 la cosa persiste..\n<jester-> rasta81: prova a spegnere da terminale con sudo halt a vedere che fa\n<rasta81> già provato jester-\n<mondocane> halt -p ?\n<rasta81> lancia quache comando ma non si spegne..rimane bloccato..\n<fourlastor> jester-, creata io durante l'install (mi sembrava una \"buona idea\"), in pratica ho un secondo hd che volevo montare lì, poi ho semplicemente eliminato l'auto mounting di quel volume, eliminando la riga dall'fstab, e ora si monta in automatico, però sempre in quella cartella, ho provato a cancellare e rifare la partizione, se cambio l'etichetta si monta in /media/daniele/<etichetta>, se metto \"daniele\" come etichetta si monta in\n<fourlastor> /media/daniele, se non metto l'etichetta si monta in /media/daniele/<UUID>\n<fourlastor> quindi immaginavo ci fosse da qualche parte una default root per il mount delle cose che è stata cambiata, però onestamente non ne ho idea\n<rasta81> da bios ho già controllato e ho provato a disabilitare i vari \"wake on.....\" come suggerito su qualche ricerca nel web\n<rasta81> ma senza risultati..\n<jester-> fourlastor: comunque è fstab che indica\n<fourlastor> jester-, se elimini la riga da fstab nelle ultime versioni di ubuntu si monta in una directory scelta in automatico (un po' come le pennette usb)\n<jester-> fourlastor: monta in /media\n<rasta81> ora non ho il pc davanti quindi altre prove non riuscirei a farne...però posso segnarmi i vostri consigli e provare appena ho il pc davanti..\n<fourlastor> appunto, quello è il comportamento normale, io sto cercando di capire come ripristinarlo :D\n<jester-> fourlastor: se la partizione non ha etichetta assegna un nome suo al punto di mount\n<rasta81> quello che ricordo è che ho provato i vari comandi di halt da terminale ma non si riavviava nemmeno..rimaneva bloccato nel terminale...\n<jester-> rasta81: se acpi del pc non è compatibile c'è poco o niente da fare\n<fourlastor> jester-, quello lo so, quello che non capisco è perché invece di /media/<etichetta|UUID> la monta in /media/daniele/<etichetta|UUID> quando la monta in automatico\n<jester-> rasta81: prova ad avviare editando grub e dopo splah metti noapic\n<rasta81> quindi è proprio una incompatibilità hardware jester- ?\n<jester-> se non va prova con acpi=force\n<jester-> fourlastor: non ho idea non sapendo che hai fatto installando\n<fourlastor> jester-, trovato, pare che il punto di mount automatico sia cambiato dalla 12.10 in /media/<username>/<etichetta|UUID>\n<rasta81> ehm..mi sa che sia meglio tornar qui quando ho il pc davanti... :)\n<fourlastor> quindi non l'ho fatto io era così di base :P\n<jester-> fourlastor: va che a tutti continua a montare in /media/quelcheè\n<rasta81> jester-: ... ma sull'incompatibilità acpi azz.....anche su un notebook di 6 mesi di vita?\n<jester-> fourlastor: e da solo non crea una danile o altro in /media\n<jester-> rasta81: è problema di pc troppo vecchi o troppo nuovi\n<jester-> a meno che usano chipset intel\n<fourlastor> jester-, http://askubuntu.com/a/215138\n<jester-> che visto che paga sviluppo kernel i driver suoi ce li mette\n<rasta81> ehhh...se nn erro è proprio intel il chipset...\n<rasta81> nn ci metto la mano sul fuoco..\n<jester-> fourlastor: a me contiuna a montare in media/etichetta\n<rasta81> anzi...dopo aver letto che paga lo sviluppo kernel la mano la tolgo proprio dal fuoco.... XD\n<jester-> o /media/random\n<fourlastor> magari perché hai aggiornato invece di installare da 0\n<rasta81> parli con me fourlastor ?\n<fourlastor> no con jester- sorry :P\n<rasta81> vabbuò...appena ho la possibilità di avere il pc davanti mi ricollego qui e vediamo se si può risolvere....\n<rasta81> per ora grazie a tutti.. :)\n<jester-> fourlastor: non installazione nuova 13.04 kubuntu, non so poi circa gnome e unity\n<rasta81> buona serata!\n<fourlastor> non saprei, comunque va bene così :) scappo! grazie ugualmente!\n<akis24> sera\n<sandero66> salve\n<sandero66> sono nuovo di ubuntu e vorrei sapere se e possibile installare una iso da hd senza cd o chiavette\n<weltall> che iso vuoi installare? ubuntu? ti serve la chiavetta o network boot che è la cosa più complessa :P\n<almaidinajad> sandero66, da hd non la puoi installare poichè si devono fare delle operazioni sull'hard disk stesso\n<almaidinajad> in compenso puoi installare da hd esterno, come se fosse una chiavetta sandero66\n<sandero66> ho gia installato ubuntu 13 04 ma vorrei creare una partizione windows\n<weltall> windows si installa solo da chiavetta cd o altro sistema windows\n<sandero66> grazie ragazzi\n<almaidinajad> ciao a tutti ho un problema d'audio con ubuntu raring\n<almaidinajad> dopo aver messo mano ad alsactl mi è completamente sballata la velocità ed il tono della musica che ascolto dal browser, suggerimenti?\n<pro97> ciao\n<pro97> !list\n<ubot-it> questo non è un canale per scaricare o di condivisione di contenuti\n<francesc1> buona sera, esiste un modo per abilitare i driver proprietari da terminale?\n<fiamma> ciao ragazzi\n<fiamma> io stasera su google plus ho una chat molto importante\n<fiamma> ma devo installare il plugin apposito\n<fiamma> scaricato lo apro e il software center mi dice che un file si è installato male\n<fiamma> e deve ripararlo\n<fiamma> come faccio???\n<fiamma> ragazzi è importantissimo, non posso perderlo\n#ubuntu-it 2013-05-25\n<giordano> salve a tutti/e, vorrei sapere se si può installare una videata grafica come E17 su ubuntu gnome 12.04, grazie.\n<cristian_c> ciao\n<cristian_c> da un po' tempo non funzionano più bene i tasti volume del laptop\n<cristian_c> ad esempio, il toogle dell'audio funziona a metà nel senso che riesco a disattivare il volume (mute), ma non se lo premo nuovamente non si riattiva più\n<cristian_c> Qualche idea?\n<akis24> giorno\n<skricciolo1981> salve\n<_FabioNET_> olà \n<Dix78> Buongiorno a tutti!!! Ho un problema con pidgin. Fino a ieri funzionava benissimo, ora invece quando tento di aprirlo si apre la schermata del programma poi si chiude immediatamente. Ho provato a \"Purgarlo\" e reinstallarlo ma senza risultati\n<cristian_c> Dix78, hai aggiunto ppa e simili?\n<Dix78> cristian_c l'installazione l'ho fatta dal software center poi ho controllato se si dovevano abilitare ppa ed era tutto ok\n<cristian_c> Dix78, sì, ma la domanda è un'altra\n<cristian_c> Dix78, hai aggiunto altri ppa?\n<Dix78> no cristian_c\n<cristian_c> Dix78, cat /etc/apt/sources.list && ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<Dix78> giorno jester-\n<Dix78> cristian_c fatto... vuoi vedere il paste?\n<cristian_c> Dix78, sì\n<Dix78> cristian_c non piangere vedendo i risultati http://paste.ubuntu.com/5699635/\n<cristian_c> Dix78, non è che piango, ma mi stupisco sempre quando affermano il contrario\n<cristian_c> Dix78, deb http://archive.canonical.com/ raring partner\n<cristian_c> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ quantal partner\n<cristian_c> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu raring partner\n<Dix78> cristian_c ? devo eliminare quei ppa?\n<cristian_c> Dix78, hai i partner tripli\n<cristian_c> Dix78, di cui uno per quantal\n<cristian_c> che non c'entra niente con raring\n<cristian_c> ahhhhh\n<cristian_c> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring-proposed multiverse main restricted universe\n<cristian_c> Dix78, pure i proposed\n<cristian_c> Dix78, rinomina il file sources.list\n<cristian_c> Dix78, ad esempio sources.list.bak\n<cristian_c> Dix78, mi dicono dalla regia: poi, da software center-->impostazioni-->configura sorgenti\n<cri> cioa\n<_Kalce_> salve a tutti...\n<_Kalce_> uso il 13.04 ... mi sapete dire un buon programma per convertire i wav in mp3?\n<cristian_c> _Kalce_, ce ne sono vari, io usavo sound-converter\n<cristian_c> usi kde?\n<_Kalce_> cristian,no...unity\n<jester-> _Kalce_: soundconverter\n<_Kalce_> jester, grazie\n<_Kalce_> grazie a tutti.... bye bye\n<jester-> _Kalce_: ma devi abilitare i repo indipendenti extra e installare ubuntu-restricted-extras\n<jester-> la fretta è sempre una cattiva consigliera\n<_Kalce_> jester, azz... sono ignorante....come si fà ?\n<jester-> _Kalce_: gksu software-properties-gtk altro software abiliti indipendenti e partenrs\n<jester-> _Kalce_: dopo di che sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras soundconverter\n<jester-> anzi prima ancora sudo apt-get update o non sa di averli\n<_Kalce_> jester: provo....\n<jester-> _Kalce_: dopo di che sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras soundconverter lame\n<jester-> serve anche lame\n<_Kalce_> jester: ok\n<janie> salve ragazzi! avrei bisogno di un aiutino spicciolo...credo che possa aiutarmi praticamente chiunque\n<janie> dovrei installare il software Calibre su ubuntu 13.04\n<janie> http://calibre-ebook.com/download_linux\n<janie> però non ci capisco nulla -_-\n<cristian_c> janie, dal software center\n<cristian_c> janie, non devi scaricare niente dal web\n<cristian_c> lo trovi già nei repo di ubuntu\n<invisibleman> ci sono degli aggiornamenti da installare, ma provando ad installarli mi appare il messaggio che potrebbe provenire da sorgenti non autenticate. cosa faccio?\n<krabador> invisibleman, hai aggiunto ppa\n<invisibleman> sono poco pratico. ormai sono solo un utente utilizzatore. cosa e' ppa?\n<krabador> invisibleman, da terminale digita software-properties-get\n<krabador> *software-properties-gtk\n<invisibleman> ok mi è comparsa una maschera con le sorgenti software\n<krabador> invisibleman, dì cosa ti appare alla tab \"altro\"\n<invisibleman> solo selezionato indipendente software sviluppatori di terze parti\n<hh_> ragazzi ubuntu mi legge solo alcuni dischi.... alcuni non li visualizza nemmeno nel drive ! come risovo??\n<hh_> ragazzi ubuntu mi legge solo alcuni dischi.... alcuni non li visualizza nemmeno nel drive ! come risovo??\n<entony> ciao ragazzi posso chiedervi un aiuto x ubuntu 13.04?\n<hh_> entony: non c'è nessuno ora\n<hh_> entony: manco a me rispondono\n<entony> tu potresti aiutarmi?\n<hh_> entony: chiedi... vediamo se son capace\n<entony> ho installato ubuntu su un portatile ma ho un problema,nel momento in cui devo chiudere il programma mi rimane la scritta ubuntu e rimane acceso\n<hh_> l'hai installato sul hd?\n<entony> si\n<hh_> singolo e su partizione\n<hh_> o su* ?\n<entony> ho formattato il pc e installato il programma\n<hh_> ti rimane la scritta ubuntu ?\n<hh_> i pallini sotto la scritta sono bianchi o arancioni?\n<entony> entrambi\n<entony> da bianchi diventano arancioni\n<hh_> diventano tutti arancioni?? o ne rimane qualcuno alla fine bianco?\n<entony> sembra come se carica i pallini si muovono\n<krabador> !imagebin | invisibleman\n<ubot-it> invisibleman: Vuoi mostrarci una schermata del tuo problema? Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<krabador> posta uno screenshot della tab \"altro\" di software properties gtk\n<entony> sono riuscito a spiegarti il problema?\n<hh_> entony: si si caricano... ma devi dirmi se diventano tutti arancioni o tutti bianchi...\n<hh_> entony: perchè se non tutti si caricano significa che c'è in corso qualche processo che ubuntu non riesce ad arrestare\n<hh_> krabador: ubuntu mi legge solo alcuni dischi.... alcuni non li visualizza nemmeno nel drive ! come risovo??\n<entony> è un continuo movimento di colori\n<hh_> entony: non ne ho idea allora\n<krabador> \"alcuni non me li visualizza nemmeno nel drive\" spiegati\n<entony> se provo a installare la versione precedente?\n<hh_> krabador: nel senso che non li vedo nemmeno tra le icone a sinistra...\n<hh_> entony: la 13 ha quanche bug... io ti consiglio vivamente di mettere la 12.04... mi trovo benissimo\n<krabador> hh_, apri il terminale e digita sudo fdisk -l\n<entony> ok lo faccio subito allora grazie\n<hh_> krabador: con disco inserito?\n<krabador> hh_, non lo so ... se vuoi vedere le partizioni di un disco disinserito....\n<entony> scusami un ultima domanda\n<entony> ho un vecchio portatile con windows 2000 e volevo installare linux cosa mi consigli?\n<krabador> entony, lubuntu\n<hh_> entony: ubuntu... se sei alle prime armi con linux\n<entony> si\n<krabador> entony, è l'unico candidato ubuntu based per hardware di una certa età \n<entony> ma mi piace parecchio linux\n<krabador> ma entony , che hardware ha il portatile?\n<entony> 128\n<hh_> krabador: ti metto il pastebin\n<krabador> hh_, si\n<krabador> entony, non solo la ram\n<invisibleman> ubot - it & krabador http://imagebin.org/258901\n<krabador> entony, cpu ?\n<entony> sul portatile che ho il problema la ram è di 1gb non è che è la versione che non è compatibile con il pc?\n<krabador> invisibleman, ubot-it non è un utente\n<invisibleman> sorry\n<hh_> krabador: http://pastebin.com/2GUmWxrv\n<entony> scusate ma non capisco molto di questa roba x me è tutto nuovo\n<krabador> invisibleman, ok, puoi postare l'immagine di software-properties-getk ?\n<krabador> *software-properties-gtk\n<krabador> entony, molto semplicemente, che processore,e ram ha il notebook con win2000?\n<entony> la ram è di 128 mb\n<invisibleman> krabador sempre la linguetta altro?\n<krabador> invisibleman, si\n<krabador> hh_, ti vede un solo disco, quanti te ne dovrebbe vedere?\n<hh_> krabador: come disco intendo cd- dvd\n<hh_> me ne legge solo alcuni!\n<hh_> non tutti\n<krabador> hh_, dischi che vedi perfettamente su win?\n<entony> ho trovato la versione 12.04.2 andrà bene?\n<krabador> entony, è l'ultima dell'attuale long term support\n<entony> ok provo con quella versione\n<invisibleman> krabador http://imagebin.org/258903\n<invisibleman> comunque non ho modificato nessuno di questi parametri\n<krabador> invisibleman, allora, disabilita \"indipendente\"\n<krabador> chiudi il gestore aggiornamenti senza aggiornare\n<krabador> e da terminale digiti sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade\n<hh_> krabador: non ho win su questo pc... però sull'altro pc in cui ho win i dischi li vedo perfettamente (sono film comprati)\n<krabador> hh_, potrebbe essere un problema del lettore.\n<krabador> hh_, non ci sono problemi in montaggio di dvd originali\n<hh_> mmm\n<hh_> però strano\n<hh_> ho comprato il cofanetto del padrino è su 5 dischi ne legge 1\n<max> salve\n<Guest55917> salve\n<Guest55917> avrei una domanda inerente il server\n<hh_> krabador: ad esempio! se metto ubuntu bootable su usb lo legge.... se metto win bootable su usb NO (bios impostato correttamente si intende)\n<Pablo1> hh_: prova winusb\n<Pablo1> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:colingille/freshligh\n<Pablo1> sudo apt-get update\n<Pablo1> sudo apt-get install winusb\n<Pablo1> hh_:freshlight *\n<Pablo1> mancava la t finale\n<hh_> Pablo1: a cosa serve ? a mettere win bootable\n<hh_> ?\n<Pablo1> hh_: si stesso procedimento di unetbootin\n<entony> scusate ragazzi ho provato a cliccare CTRL+ALT+CANC e mi è uscita una schermata con delle scritte cosa posso fare adesso?\n<roht> che scritte?\n<invisibleman> krabador l'installazione con il tuo comando è andata. rifacendo una verifica con il gestore aggiornamenti ne sono rimasti 8 è sono tutti relativi header di linux\n<roht> dicci dicci\n<entony> il computer è rimasto con la schermata devo fare qualcosa?\n<hh_> Pablo1: ma la usb bootable che ho funziona! l'ho prvata su un altro pc!\n<invisibleman> krabador forse ho capito sono nuovi aggiornamenti è probabilmente andavano in conflitto con altri che erano propedeutici a questi. ora stanno andando anche dal gestetore aggiornamenti. speriamo che non ho fatto casino. comunque grazie di tutto\n<roht> ctrl+alt+f2\n<invisibleman> ho imparato qualcosa di nuovo\n<Pablo1> hh: la penna contiene win e funziona su un altro pc ? se si io mi trovavo nella stessa condizione ho risolto formattando la penna usb a fat e non fat32, rifatto l'immagine e ha funzionato\n<roht> entony, tenere premuto i pulsanti ALT + STAMP poi con i pulsanti sopracitati premuti, digitare i tasti R E I S U B uno alla volta\n<invisibleman> un saluto a tutti\n<rusfus> salve\n<rusfus> ieri mattina e qualche ora fa mi e successa una cosa insolita, dal nulla mi si e spento il pc. ora ho installato seguendo la guida Sensor Indicator e mi sembra tutto ok con la temperatura\n<rusfus> qualcuno sa dirmi da cosa puo' dipendere??\n<rusfus> le uniche cose \"anomale\" sono nel VCore voltage : +3 voltage 3,03 / +5 voltage 5,07 / +12 voltage 11,98\n<rusfus> per il resto temperatura cpu, mb, core e hd sembrano nella norma, approssimativamente sui 40\\45° celsius\n<rusfus> qualcuno che almeno mi mandi in culo??\n<rusfus> va be!\n<rusfus> ciao a tutti\n<Liink> Pablo1, ciao\n<MattiaUBUNTIANO> buongiorno a tutti\n<cristian_c> Liink, ciao\n<Liink> cristian_c: ciao\n<superobot28> buongiorno a tutti!\n<superobot28> ho un problema ad entrare nel router,prima con windows entravo adesso non mi fa' entrare.come posso fare?\n<cristian_c> superobot28, basta che digiti l'ip\n<cristian_c> del gateway\n<superobot28> grazazie cristan ho prvato ma midice pagina non trvata..e dallo shell mi da' comando non trvato.\n<superobot28> la versione e' la 13.04\n<cristian_c> superobot28, che indirizzo hai digitato nel browser?\n<superobot28> 192.168.1.1\n<cristian_c> dovrebbe fungere\n<cristian_c> superobot28, route -n\n<superobot28> niente mi da' pagina non trovata\n<cristian_c> superobot28, il comando\n<superobot28> ho prvato ora sullo shell ed entro..mi da' la schermata di configurazione ip.ecc.ecc\n<superobot28> cristian da web mi da la seg uente scritta:La connessione al server è stata annullata durante il caricamento della pagina\n<superobot28> come faccio ad entrare nel setaggio del router?\n<cristian_c> superobot28, hai digitato il comando?\n<superobot28> si ho digitato il comando\n<superobot28> per configurarlo cosa devo fare?\n<cristian_c> superobot28, posta qui il risultato del comando\n<cristian_c> superobot28, anzi, su pastebin\n<cristian_c> !paste | superobot28\n<ubot-it> superobot28: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<superobot28> fatto\n<cristian_c> superobot28, posta qui il link\n<superobot28> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5700527/\n<filippo> salve a tutti\n<cristian_c> superobot28, il gateway è giusto\n<cristian_c> superobot28, perché devi accedere alle impostazioni del router?\n<superobot28> devo cambiare lap assword e mettere nuova password per wifi\n<filippo> ho un hp nx9010 che ha il tasto fisico per attivare7disattivare le funzionalità del touchpad per evitare che mentre si scriva si possa inavvertitamente toccate. Il problema è che capita che il touchpad sia disattivato all'accensione del PC e non si possa attivare, soluzioni?\n<superobot28> ma da pagina web non mida la maschera.\n<cristian_c> superobot28, digita: iwconfig\n<cristian_c> filippo, ma era stato disattivato prima di spegnerlo?\n<superobot28> fatto ,mi da' no wireless extensions\n<cristian_c> superobot28, uhm, ifconfig -a\n<filippo> cristian_c, no, io non lo tocco per niente quel tasto, le volte che l'ho toccato ho visto che se si attiva all'inizio poi posso accendere e spegnere tranquillamente\n<superobot28> mi da' tutti i pacchetti eth e lo\n<cristian_c> filippo, quindi il problema si è verificato sin dall'inizio?\n<cristian_c> superobot28, su pastebin\n<filippo> si, vorrei avere la sicurezza che se accendo il PC si possa usare il touchpad sempre, con facoltà di disattivarlo, insomma vorrei farlo funzionare per come è uscito da HP\n<riccardo> Ciao!\n<cristian_c> filippo, il tasto quindi non funge, giusto?\n<filippo> no\n<cristian_c> filippo, puoi fare una prova\n<cristian_c> filippo, quando accade, digita: sudo modprobe -r\n<cristian_c> filippo, quando accade, digita: sudo modprobe -r psmouse\n<cristian_c> filippo, e poi: sudo modprobe psmouse\n<filippo> cristian_c, funge, funge!!\n<filippo> cristian_c, se ora imposto i comandi che mi hai dato in modo che siano avviati con il sistema non dovrei avere più problemi, no?\n<URUS> aiuto , installare kernel 3.5.0-27 su ubuntu 12.10\n<URUS> urgente ragazzi\n<URUS> va bene il comando apt-get install linux-image-3.5.0-27 ?\n<cristian_c> filippo, dovrebbe funziona\n<cristian_c> *funzionare\n<filippo> bene, bene\n<cristian_c> filippo, mettili in /etc/rc.local\n<cristian_c> filippo, mettili in /etc/rc.local\n<cristian_c> URUS, sono nei repo?\n<filippo> cristian_c, ok\n<URUS> cristian_c: con quel comando me lo installa il problemma è che voglio sapere se facendo cosi è giusto altrimenti dopo mi da un errrore di un file in var/log/\n<URUS> e dopo non posso piu installare i driver per la scheda ati per che mi da errrore\n<cristian_c> URUS, ma non vengono installati automaticamente tramite gli aggiornamenti di sistema?\n<URUS> appunto ma io ora sono al 3.5.0-17-generic e dopo va al 3.8 ma a me serve il 3.5.0-27\n<URUS> cristian_c\n<teddyl78> ci sono sviluppatori?\n<URUS> io ora ho il 3.5.0-31-generic\n<teddyl78> chi mi può aiutare?\n<URUS> è se faccio upgrade o dist-upgrade se installa da solo ?\n<teddyl78> voglio collegarmi ad un computer che ha linux e io conosco solo il suo ip\n<URUS> perche è quello che non voglio cioe voglio quello e basta\n<teddyl78> posso farlo?\n<cristian_c> teddyl78, lol\n<teddyl78> chi mi può aiutare?\n<cristian_c> URUS, allora pen so che sian o presenti nei repo\n<cristian_c> URUS, controlla in synaptic\n<teddyl78> ciao cristian\n<cristian_c> !chiedi | teddyl78\n<ubot-it> teddyl78: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<URUS> teddyl78: leggi in privato\n<teddyl78> stò scaricando la versione adesso dal sito\n<URUS> cristian_c: mi manca (driver-aggiuntivi)\n<URUS> come posso installarlo\n<cristian_c> URUS, che scheda è?\n<URUS> ati readom mobility 2600\n<cristian_c> teddyl78, devi collegarti in remoto?\n<cristian_c> URUS, sembra una scheda vecchia\n<URUS> si ma con quel tool me lo trova\n<URUS> provato con altre versione\n<URUS> cristian_c: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV630 [Mobility Radeon HD 2600]\n<cristian_c> URUS, il punto è che non ci sono più driver proprietari per la tua scheda\n<cristian_c> URUS, devi accontentarti degli open\n<cristian_c> o comprarti una scheda recente\n<cristian_c> questi sono i driver proprieari\n<URUS> ma con altre versione me lo installa\n<cristian_c> il supporto non è infinito , prima o poi finisce\n<URUS> tipo ubuntu 12.04lts\n<URUS> provato sta notte\n<cristian_c> URUS, perché era presente nei repo\n<cristian_c> hanno tolto il supporto\n<URUS> ma io ora sono su ubuntu 12.10\n<URUS> e non trovo il tool di ubuntu DRIVER AGGIUSTIVI\n<cristian_c> URUS, per assicurarti della cosa, controlla sul sito ubuntu packages\n<cristian_c> per la tua release\n<cristian_c> URUS, ahhhhhhhh\n<cristian_c> URUS, quello sta in sorgenti software\n<cristian_c> URUS, avevo capito un'altra cosa :D\n<URUS> cioe come lo installo\n<URUS> cristian_c: ??????????????\n<URUS> come lo installo allora\n<URUS> cristian_c: mi manca https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zIBrgxB6u40/UFmEfuftDHI/AAAAAAAAkBI/qMf46kww2wI/s800/impostazioni_sistema_driver_aggiuntivi.png\n<URUS> come lo installo\n<cristian_c> URUS, sei andato in Sorgenti software?\n<URUS> si e cosa faccio\n<URUS> su additional driver non ce niente cosa faccio\n<URUS> cristian_c: ??\n<cristian_c> URUS, se non c'è niente, hanno tolto il supporto alla tua scheda per i driver proprietari\n<cristian_c> quindi, accontentati degli open\n<URUS> ma se stanotte c'era\n<URUS> e se installo ubuntu 12.04\n<URUS> me lo trovera ancora\n<URUS> cristian_c: sto installando additional driver da ubuntu software center\n<cristian_c> URUS, guarda che c'è già \n<URUS> te sto dicendo che non ce\n<URUS> era quello che mi mancava\n<cristian_c> URUS, Driver aggiuntivi e additional drivers sono la stessa cosa\n<cristian_c> lol\n<marzio> ciao a tutti\n<marzio> avrei bisogno di risolvere un problema\n<marzio> riguardo una connessione internet che non funziona\n<marzio> ho un portatile che non si connette via wi-fi\n<Liink> Sera\n<marzio> la spia di ricezione wi-fi è accesa\n<marzio> cosa devo fare per configurare la rete ?\n<cristian_c> Liink, ciao\n<Liink> cristian_c: ti posso chiedere una cosa ?\n<jester-> cristian_c: visto?\n<jester-> cristian_c: è desktop maddoc non na ciofeca\n<cristian_c> jester-, sì, visto\n<barrnet> 'sera\n<barrnet> c'è qualcuno che potrebbe aiutarmi? :)\n<krabador> barrnet, chiedi\n<barrnet> ho un piccolo problema con la mia linea wireless di casa..\n<barrnet> ho 3 pc: Uno con windows seven e due con xubuntu 13.04\n<barrnet> se si connette il pc con windows 7 tutto bene\n<barrnet> se si connette solo un pc con xubuntu 13.04 tutto bene\n<barrnet> se si connette windows 7 con il fisso con xubuntu 13.04 win va bene e xubuntu va piuttosto lento..\n<barrnet> ma se collego il netbook con xubuntu 13.04 qualsiasi altro dispositivo, perfino la ps3, non riesce più a navigare\n<barrnet> quali potrebbero essere le cause?\n<krabador> barrnet, che router hai?\n<barrnet> un sitecom\n<barrnet> dovrebbe essere questo: http://www.sitecom.com/it/wireless-router-n300-x2/wlr-2100/p/347\n<barrnet> ma tutti quelli della serie n300 sono uguali esteticamente...\n<krabador> barrnet, controlla le impostazioni di dhcp nella sezione wireless del firmware del router.\n<krabador> barrnet, se colleghi i pc col cavo lan, com'è la situazione?\n<barrnet> non ho provato, il modem è un pò distante dai pc\n<krabador> col netbook ti ci puoi avvicinare.\n<barrnet> ho la tabella con i client connessi\n<barrnet> emh... dovrebbe xD\n<barrnet> il problema è che è morta la batteria, non funziona senza l'alimentazione\n<krabador> e non puoi attaccarlo alla stessa presa di corrente del router?\n<barrnet> purtroppo mi arriverà in settimana quella nuova, per ora sono presadipendente\n<barrnet> ok, aspè\n<barrnet> ok, ora mi ricollego via lan\n<Liink> barrenet, sto seguendo \"vagamente\" il tuo problema però esso dipende dalla tua connessione\n<Liink> barrenet, speedtest.net\n<Liink> barrenet, dimmi i risultati\n<krabador> Liink, se avviene una sorta di \"selezione\" delle periferiche non è una questione di connessione, se invece è solo la velocità , è l'eventuale priorità data alle periferiche, se drasticamente differenti in prestazioni\n<Liink> krabador, chiedo scusa ma avevo letto solo le utlime cose\n<krabador> contando che in ogni caso, con adsl a 7 mega, se si attaccano 4 periferiche, non si puo' pretendere che ognuna sia una scheggia\n<Liink> krabador, questo che dicevo\n<Liink> krabador, però mettiamo caso che ha una 20 Mb\n<krabador> fosse una 20 e ci sono drastiche differenze, se connesse singolarmente vanno a banda piena, sarebbe impostazioni del router.\n<krabador> che potrebbe anche avere in realtà un atteggiamento del genere \"di base\"\n<Liink> krabador, molte volte i router/modem non riescono a supportare i 20MB\n<krabador> Liink, fosse cosi' non si connetterebbe propri.\n<krabador> *proprio.\n<krabador> se adsl2+ , è ok.\n<Liink> krabador, si connette ma non sfrutta tutta la banda...\n<Liink> krabador, se dovesse essere un router/modem.... datato\n<barrnet> aww caduto\n<krabador> Liink, non agganci la portante,.\n<krabador> barrnet, va con la lan?\n<barrnet> via lan va tutto bene\n<barrnet> col wireless cade la connessione dall''altro pc\n<krabador> barrnet, assicurati che il dhcp sia impostato sia per la lan che il wi-fi\n<barrnet> ovvero?\n<krabador> barrnet, vai nelle impostazioni del router\n<krabador> e verifica che il dhcp sia attivo per entrambi\n<barrnet> non c'è possibilità di scelta\n<barrnet> DHCP Mode : \tNone DHCP Server DHCP Relay configuration\n<krabador> barrnet, se è il wlr-2100 , c'è l'impostazione dhcp\n<barrnet> e sono in quel menu\n<barrnet> sono in basic settings => dhcp settings\n<krabador> !imagebin | barrnet\n<ubot-it> barrnet: Vuoi mostrarci una schermata del tuo problema? Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<Liink> krabador, cosa ne pensi di questa guida la posso seguire http://www.lffl.org/2012/06/ubuntu-wifi-migliorare-linux.html\n<barrnet> http://i.imgur.com/g3KopmJ.png\n<krabador> Liink, fa utilmente modificare un paio di parametri\n<Liink> krabadord, è si ma è consigliabile ?\n<Liink> krabadord, seguire quella guida ?\n<krabador> Liink, se avverti il calo dopo qualche minuto, non fai niente di male\n<krabador> barrnet, ok, è attivo, fammi uno screenshot delle impostazioni wireless\n<barrnet> http://i.imgur.com/G4uWEME.png\n<krabador> barrnet, assegna a tutte le periferiche un canale wifi, e impostalo sul router\n<barrnet> eh?\n<krabador> se ci fai caso\n<krabador> nelle tue \"wireless basic settings\"\n<krabador> hai\n<krabador> \"channel\"\n<barrnet> ah, il canale di trasmissione?\n<barrnet> ok\n<barrnet> ma...\n<barrnet> nei dispositivi come lo imposto?\n<barrnet> sudo iwconfig _INTERFACE_ channel numero ?\n<krabador> si\n<barrnet> SET failed on device _INTERFACE_ ; No such device.\n<krabador> barrnet, _interface_ è la tua periferica\n<barrnet> si, ho provato anche con wlan0\n<barrnet> è uguale\n<barrnet> SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device.\n<krabador> è una eth\n<krabador> o eth0 o eth1\n<barrnet> mmm\n<krabador> se usi la porta lan\n<krabador> dovrebbe essere eth1\n<barrnet> si, ma via lan non ho problemi...\n<barrnet> è il wifi con i problemi xD\n<krabador> allora\n<krabador> il valora\n<krabador> _interface_\n<krabador> è una eth\n<barrnet> eth1 IEEE 802.11abg ESSID:\"SitecomE9A1DC\"\n<barrnet> Mode:Managed Frequency:2.462 GHz Access Point: 00:0C:F6:E9:A1:DC\n<barrnet> Retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off\n<barrnet> Power Management:off\n<barrnet> eth1, no?\n<krabador> bravo\n<barrnet> ok, impostato\n<barrnet> e sotto windows come faccio? lol\n<barrnet> ma i dispositivi non dovrebbero rilevare il modem, anche se è sul canale 5?\n<barrnet> *routher\n<krabador> barrnet, su win lo fai da gestione periferiche\n<krabador> selezioni la scheda di rete wifi\n<krabador> ed hai tra i parametri il canale.\n<barrnet> ook\n<barrnet> nel caso questa modifica non funzionasse che altri tentativi dovrei fareù?\n<barrnet> perché il problema è circoscritto solo al netbook\n<barrnet> posso collegare diversi dispositivi, pure celllari, e va più o meno bene con tutti\n<krabador> hai cambiato il canale anche nel router?\n<barrnet> se collego il netbook saltano tutti gli altri e rimane connesso solo lui\n<barrnet> si\n<krabador> il fatto che il netbook \"escluda\" la connessione agli altri, puo' essere solo perchè in qualche modo monopolizza qualche impostazione automatica del wireless del router\n<krabador> se il netbook esclude gli altri anche in lan è un altro discorso\n<barrnet> no, in lan non accade\n<barrnet> scusami..\n<barrnet> ma se in Add DHCP Reservation\n<barrnet> metto un indirizzo ip riservato al mac del netbook\n<barrnet> potrei risolvere?\n<barrnet> della serie\n<barrnet> al dhcp faccio dare gli ip da 192.168.0.8\n<barrnet> e al netbook imposto 192.168.0.4\n<Lorenzo_> Ciao a tutti, avrei bisogno di un aiuto per installare driver generici che mi consentano di settare lo schermo 1368x768 con ubuntu 12.04\n<krabador> Lorenzo_, che scheda video è ?\n<Lorenzo_> ati radeon 9550\n<Lorenzo_> amd nn supporta queste schede x linux\n<krabador> Lorenzo_, no, le supporta fino alla release di un driver, che non è piu' supportato dal server grafico x\n<krabador> di base, funziona con il mesa\n<krabador> su ubuntu\n<krabador> che va abbastanza bene\n<Lorenzo_> mi puoi spiegare meglio come fare?\n<Lorenzo_> nn sono molto esperto\n<krabador> Lorenzo_, l'hai già installata ubuntu?\n<Lorenzo_> nn so cos'è mesa ho un ubuntu abbastanza basic....\n<Lorenzo_> se mi spieghi un po' ci posso provare\n<krabador> Lorenzo_, l'hai già installata ubuntu?\n<Lorenzo_> certo ubuntu è installato\n<krabador> allora hai già i mesa funzionanti\n<krabador> non va bene la risoluzione del tuo monitor?\n<Lorenzo_> la risoluzione max di ubuntu è 1024x768 però il il mio schermo è 1368x768\n<Lorenzo_> è un monitor samsung 17\" 1368x768\n<Lorenzo_> quindi mi mancano due fette di schermo\n<krabador> puoi aggiugere risoluzioni , a quelle disponibili post installazione\n<krabador> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/Xorg\n<Lorenzo_> ho provato a seguire qualche guida ma nn sono riuscito...\n<Lorenzo_> ok ora leggo e ci provo grazie Krabador\n<krabador> di niente\n<ion_> Ciao. Ho un problema con il display hdmi su 13.04. Qualche anima pia?\n<krabador> ion_, è un problema noto\n<krabador> ion_, se il sistema è perfettamente aggiornato ,e non è cambiato nulla\n<krabador> puoi solo fare tentativi\n<krabador> ion_, da sudo apt-get upddate && sudo apt-get upgrade da terminale\n<ion_> Krabador, i driver nvidia riconoscono il monitor correto\n<ion_> ma in impostazioni display no\n<krabador> ion_, quali hai installato, gli nvidia current o gli nvidia-current-updates ?\n<Lorenzo_> <krabador> sono riuscito a modificare la risoluzione correttamente, ora dovrei modificare il file xorg.conf x renderle definitive\n<Lorenzo_> dove lo trovo?\n<krabador> Lorenzo_, /etc/X11/xorg.conf\n<krabador> Lorenzo_, fai un backup del precedente , rinominandolo xorg.conf_old\n<krabador> e poi salva quello che hai fatto, come xorg.cong\n<krabador> xorg.conf\n<ion_> Krabrador, gli updates!\n<Lorenzo_> grazie ci provo\n<krabador> ion_, gli hai installati tramite la schermata dei driver aggiuntivi?\n<Lorenzo_> <krabador> ho un file xorg.conffailsafe ma nn me lo fa modificare\n<krabador> Lorenzo_, è l'unico dentro la cartella?\n<Lorenzo_> dentro la cartela x11 è l'unico\n<Lorenzo_> no scusa ce ne sono altri\n<Lorenzo_> ci sono varie cartelle e altri file\n<Lorenzo_> tra cui default display settings\n<krabador> Lorenzo_, nella 12.04 non c'è effettivamente uno xorg.conf con i driver open\n<Lorenzo_> default_ display_ manager\n<krabador> Lorenzo_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/4662/where-is-the-x-org-config-file-how-do-i-configure-x-there\n<ion_> Krabrador, scusa ma ho perso la connessione\n<Lorenzo_> <krabador> si va sul difficile...\n<krabador> Lorenzo_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution/\n<krabador> oppure puoi provare la soluzione suggerita in askubuntu\n<Lorenzo_> <krabador> ora casco dal sonno, ho salvato le pagine e ci provo domani a mente più lucida, grazie di tutto sei stato molto gentile\n<cri> ciao\n<krabador> Lorenzo_, di niente\n<takoski> qualcuno sa perche il mio alimentatore fischia?\n<cri> takoski: io lo staccherei\n<cri> di solito fischiano gli alimentatori di bassa qualità \n#ubuntu-it 2013-05-26\n<corto> c-e qualcuno che puo aiutarmi a sistemare il filesystem\n<corto> ho un portatile con doppia partizione windows ubuntu\n<corto> e mi si e- danneggiato il grub\n<corto> non esce piu\n<corto> adesso sono nel live sul terminale\n<corto> e dando sudo fsck dev/sda2\n<corto> mi esce scritto\n<corto> udo fsck /dev/sda2 fsck from util-linux-ng 2.16 e2fsck 1.41.9 (22-Aug-2009) fsck.ext2: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/sda2 Could this be a zero-length partition?\n<akis24> buona domenica\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<Alex74> Aiutooooo!!!\n<Alex74> salve ragazzi, sono nuovo dell'ambiente, ho un problema, ho un netbook hpmini 2133 con 2 gb di ram, volevo sapere se esise una distribuzione linux adatta a questo ntbook... vi ringrazio\n<jester-> Alex74: prova la live della 13.04\n<jester-> Alex74: tenedo presente che da usb è molto piu lenta\n<Alex74> gr\n<Alex74> grazie jester, ma è possibile scaricarla e installarla tramite cd?\n<jester-> Alex74: certo che si\n<jester-> Alex74: installazione solo by cd o usb\n<jester-> !installazione | Alex74\n<ubot-it> Alex74: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<jester-> !uab | Alex74\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'uab'\n<jester-> Alex74: se decidi di installare scegli accanto a winzoz che toglierlo non è mai una biona idea\n<Alex74> grazie, ma se non riconosce qualche driver? cosa faccio?\n<jester-> Alex74: provi la live e vedi subito quel che funza o no, se l'hardware non è cinese strano disolito va tutto, potresti avere un piccolo problrema se la wifi è broadcom al che in installazione è bene abilitare software di terze parti\n<Alex74> ok, grazie oggi ci provo!!!!\n<cri> giorno\n<Cri> Cambiato XD messo chakra su SSD vediamo come va\n<cristian_c> ?\n<snikker> ho impostatato le acl con \"sudo setfacl -d -R -m g:green-group:rwx /path/to/dir1\" ma non riesco a scrivere nella cartella impostata con l'utente che fa parte del gruppo \"green-group\". mi date una mano?\n<cristian_c> snikker, devi cambiare le acl?\n<snikker> cristian_c: più che cambiare vorrei sapere perchè non mi fa scrivere in quella directory\n<stefano4896> non riesco ad installare ubuntu,la voce installa affianco a windows 7 non appare (ubuntu 13.04)\n<stefano4896> perchè non appare\n<stefano4896> ?\n<snikker> cristian_c: l'utente in uso fa parte del gruppo secondario impostato con le acl con i permessi di scrittura\n<stefano4896> non ho capito\n<jester-> stefano4896: winzoz è installato?\n<stefano4896> si\n<stefano4896> voglio usare ubuntu e windows\n<jester-> stefano4896: ma in che punto dell'installer sei\n<stefano4896> alla pagina in cui chiede come installare ubuntu\n<stefano4896> non mi appare la voce installa affianco a windows 7\n<jester-> stefano4896: installa poi segui e devi arrivare la parizionamento\n<jester-> li lo vedi\n<stefano4896> ci provo,un attimo\n<stefano4896> mi appare solo la voce cancella il disco e installa ubuntu e le altre 3 voci\n<jester-> stefano4896: strana la cosa, hai deframmentato winz?\n<stefano4896> si,ma un po' di tempo fa\n<cristian_c> snikker, quali sono i permessi della cartella?\n<jester-> stefano4896: va rifatto\n<stefano4896> lo faccio con defraggler\n<jester-> stefano4896: naturalmente fai il bood da cd o usb?\n<jester-> boot*\n<snikker> cristian_c: drwxr-xr-x+ 3 foo foo 4096 May 26 09:46 dir1\n<stefano4896> cd\n<jester-> stefano4896: lo devi fare da winz stesso\n<stefano4896> cioè? forse l'ho fatto\n<stefano4896> quali sono i passaggi da eseguire?\n<jester-> stefano4896: il defrag lo fai da winz7 medesimo\n<jester-> utilita, deframmentazione\n<jester-> mi pare\n<stefano4896> ok fra qualche minuto ritorno\n<cristian_c> snikker, secondario rispetto a cosa?\n<stefano4896> ho poca frammentazione\n<stefano4896> 6%\n<jester-> stefano4896: falla comunque\n<snikker> cristian_c: secondario nel senso che il gruppo nativo è \"foo\" poi ho inserite l'utente in un altro gruppo di nome \"green-group\"\n<stefano4896> ok a fra poco\n<cristian_c> snikker, cat /etc/group\n<snikker> cristian_c: green-group:x:1001:foo\n<cristian_c> uhm\n<puppo89> ciao!\n<cristian_c> enzotib, tu ti intendi di acl?\n<puppo89> ho un problema con la minimizzazione delle applicazioni!\n<cristian_c> puppo89, tipo?\n<puppo89> 1) rispondo alla tua domanda...non sono assolutamente un esperto di informatica, mi dispiace\n<cristian_c> puppo89, che problema?\n<puppo89> 2) quando minimizzo la cartella o l'applicazione si blocca ubuntu 13.04\n<cristian_c> puppo89, che pc è?\n<puppo89> toshiba satellite p300\n<cristian_c> puppo89, uhm, strano\n<cristian_c> puppo89, ho trovato qualcosa\n<puppo89> non lo so, però se minimizzo premendo sulla linea in alto a sinistra si blocca...se riduco premendo crtl+super+d funziona normalmente\n<cristian_c> puppo89, se vuoi ti do il link\n<puppo89> saresti gentilissimo!\n<puppo89> grazie :)\n<cristian_c> puppo89, visto?\n<puppo89> visto, ora leggo...\n<puppo89> mmmmmm...non capisco! :( e poi riguarda ubuntu 11.10...potrei provare con la soluzione 1...\n<cristian_c> puppo89, 11.10 è soltanto un esempio\n<Rik_84> Buon giorno a tutti, sto cercando di installare la 13.04 su un pc fisso tramite chiavetta (che precedentemente ho usato sul notebook e va) solo che sul fisso quando avvio la live resta fermo tutto sulla schermata viola e non parte nulla. C'è qualche buon samaritano in grado di aiutarmi ? Premetto che e 2 mesi che smanetto su ubuntu quindi la mia esperienza e molto bassa... Grazie :)\n<DottorLeo> ciao!\n<akhilleus> salve la mia stampante non stampa + i pdf\n<akhilleus> cosa può essere successo?\n<akhilleus> qualcuno potrebbe aitarmi?\n<uait> mibofra quando ci sei fa un fischio\n<URUS> akhilleus: ma riesci a stampare altro ?\n<akhilleus> si si\n<uait> qualcuno si intende di gimp e gimp animation package e download video da youtube?\n<uait> slap\n<cristian_c> uait, non molto\n<cristian_c> uait, chre devi fare?\n<cristian_c> *che\n<uait> cominciamo con lo scaricare il video da youtube: ho messo tra i plugin youtube downloader\n<uait> quando vado sul video, e faccio download, in che formato lo salvo?\n<akhilleus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5703399/\n<uait> ps. il video mi serve per fare una gif\n<cristian_c> uait, la licenza di youtube non permette di scaricare i video\n<cristian_c> vedi cause legali di google con microsoft\n<blim> salve ragazzi, ho scaricato e verificato la iso di xubuntu 13.04, ma l'installazione si blocca quando è chiede se installare anche il software di terze parti, qualche suggerimento ?\n<cristian_c> blim, dipende da te\n<cristian_c> blim, puoi installarlo anche dopo\n<cristian_c> blim, comunque digli sì, se vuoi\n<blim> ho provato anche a deselezionare ,ma dopo che clicco su avanti il pc si impalla\n<blim> per sicurezza ho riscaricato la iso e riprovato mi da sempre lo stesso problema\n<Veloce> Ciao a tutti, ho un problema che riguarda un gioco, need for speed world ho visto molti video d'installazione su youtube, putroppo a me non riesce, può essere un problema dell'architettura del OS che è a 64bit ?\n<cristian_c> Veloce, ok, però veloce :P\n<cristian_c> Veloce, usi wine?\n<Veloce> cristian_c: si\n<cristian_c> Veloce, guarda nel database di winehq\n<Veloce> cristian_c: si gira\n<cristian_c> Veloce, magari è spiegato anche come installarlo\n<cristian_c> Veloce, solitamente (se non servono particolari accorgimenti) basta digitare: wine nome_applicazione.exe\n<cristian_c> magari sul file di installazione\n<Veloce> cristian_c: diciamo si installa ma non parte il launcher\n<cristian_c> Veloce, dove va a finire il launcher?\n<Veloce> cristian_c: sulla scrivania\n<Veloce> cristian_c: e ho provato anche nella cartella d'installazione, mi dice che ci sono problemi con il server...\n<Veloce> cristian_c: però in realtà non ci sono\n<cristian_c> Veloce, apri 'Esplora unità C:'\n<Veloce> cristian_c: ok\n<cristian_c> Veloce, e poi rintraccia la cartella del programma\n<Veloce> cristian_c: sisi ci sono\n<cristian_c> Veloce, che file c'è dentro?\n<cristian_c> *ci sono\n<Veloce> cristian_c: vari .dll e il laucher\n<cristian_c> Veloce, vorrai dire l'exe\n<Veloce> cristian_c: il launcher è in .exe ovvio\n<cristian_c> Veloce, lancialo da terminale\n<Veloce> cristian_c: sempre con wine nome_applicazione.exe\n<cristian_c> dipende dal nome dell'exe :P\n<Veloce> cristian_c: si ... ma sempre lo stesso errore\n<cristian_c> Veloce, a me interessa che posti l'output di terminale\n<cristian_c> su pastebin\n<cristian_c> !paste | Veloce\n<ubot-it> Veloce: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Veloce> cristian_c: non da niente mi apre l'exe, mi da l'errore e si chiude....\n<cristian_c> Veloce, non logga nulla su terminale?\n<cristian_c> mmmmmm\n<Veloce> cristian_c: no, scusami torno tra un'oretta\n<Veloce> cristian_c: grazie e scusami di nuovo\n<cristian_c> uhm\n<cristian_c> strano\n<cristian_c> a me wine ha sempre loggato tutto\n<cristian_c> qualunque cosa\n<cristian_c> !compilare | uait\n<ubot-it> uait: compilare da sorgenti programmi che già sono nei repository è inutile e può essere dannoso, non farlo! Se proprio vuoi rischiare.. http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/InstallareProgrammi/DaSorgenti\n<mibofra> oi chi mi cercava?\n<cristian_c> mibofra, uait\n<jester-> la vispa teresa ti cercava\n<mibofra> ok cristian_c\n<uait> mibofra c 6?\n<gio> ciao a tutti posso chiedere un aiuto?\n<cristian_c> !chiedi | gio\n<ubot-it> gio: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<gio> grazie allora installato 13.04 vedo il router ma non navigo\n<cristian_c> gio, riesci a stabilire la connessione?\n<gio> la connessione ce mi connetto con il tablet 'ma da pc al massimo arrivo al router vedo il mio ip ma firefox non fa nulla\n<davide__> ho un pc con due sistemi operativi uno windows 8 e altro ubuntu 13.04. voglio tenete solo ubuntu e eliminarer windows 8 come devo fare\n<cristian_c> gio, intendo dire se riesci a stabilire una connessione con il pc\n<onebitxajax> davide__: sei sicuro di volerlo fare?\n<davide__> mi dico di no!!\n<davide__> scusa,dici di no\n<onebitxajax> davide__: per ora tienilo, poi dopo 1 anno da adesso toglilo, questo e' il mio consiglio\n<davide__> ok, pero come faccio\n<onebitxajax> davide__: tra 1 anno lo saprai da solo\n<davide__> va be!!! ci credo\n<gio> se vado al router 192.168.0.1 fnziona ma altro non fa (in alto a destra ho due frecce contrapposte)\n<gio> dice connessione via cavoo 1\n<cristian_c> gio, ifconfig -a\n<cristian_c> gio, ping -c3 www.google.com\n<cristian_c> !paste | gio\n<ubot-it> gio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<gio> cristian grazie ma sono un vecchio minchia he non a nulla dove lo scrivo quello che mi hai detto?\n<cristian_c> gio, apri un terminale\n<gio> alt f2? va bene?\n<cristian_c> gio, no\n<cristian_c> un terminale vero e proprio\n<davide__> gio: il tasto ctrl+alt+t\n<gio> ok ottimo ma non so leggere la risposta che mi da ifconfig -a mi dice le stesse cose di informazioni di connessione\n<cristian_c> !pastebin | gio\n<ubot-it> gio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<cristian_c> posta lì\n<davide__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5703666/\n<davide__> scusate, facevo un a prova ..experimet ..grz;)\n<gio> linck encap:Ethernet indirizoHW 50:e5:49:37:b2:5b indirizzo inet:192.168.0.19 becast:192.168.0.255 maschera :255.255.255 indirizzo inet6: fe80::52e5:\n<cristian_c> gio, su pastebin\n<davide__> c'è un progarmma per ubuntu 13.04 che manda sms gratis\n<gio> il comando !paste non so come scrverlo perche nonm dice nulla :(\n<cristian_c> gio, apri questa pagina nel browser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/\n<krabador> davide__, c'è un programma che assolda pony express gratis.\n<gio> problem loading page\n<cristian_c> gio, ma cos'hai fatto?\n<cristian_c> gio, con quale pc stai scrivendo?\n<gio> ho scritto nella barra degli indirizzi su firefox http://ecc.\n<gio> sono con un tablet\n<cristian_c> gio, e non te la apre?\n<cristian_c> gio, sicuro di aver scritto bene\n<cristian_c> ?\n<gio> allora io ti scrivo con un tablet e quello che mi chiedi di fare lo faccio sul pc collegato via cavo al router che vedo e accede ad internet\n<marc-> ciao\n<cristian_c> gio, pastebin serve per copiare il risultato\n<cristian_c> quindi utilizza pure il tablet per aprire pastebin\n<marc-> posso fare una domanda?\n<cristian_c> !chiedi | marc-\n<ubot-it> marc-: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<marc-> ok\n<marc-> ho installato ubuntu su chiavetta usb con unebooting ma all'avvio non parte\n<marc-> ho provato su un desktop e su un netbook\n<marc-> ma nulla\n<cristian_c> marc-, hai controllato l'hash della .iso?\n<marc-> messaggio cioe?\n<cristian_c> !md5 | marc-\n<ubot-it> marc-: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Md5Sum\n<marc-> scusate ma come faccio a controllare l'hash\n<cristian_c> marc-, è scritto nella guida\n<cristian_c> devi controllare la .iso\n<cristian_c> basta leggere\n<marc-> ok provo\n<gio_> ora sono con un altro pc con windows e sono entrato in paste.ubuntu .com ma che devo fare?\n<cristian_c> gio_, copiaci il contenuto del terminale\n<davide__> ciauz\n<cristian_c> cioè, il risultato dei comandi\n<davide__> vado per cinghiali\n<cristian_c> lol\n<gio_> cristian devi essere un santo per stare quì a dare una mano ma con pazienza mi ridai i comandi (il tablet è uscito dalla chat e non li vedo piu)\n<cristian_c> gio, ifconfig -a\n<cristian_c> gio, ping -c3 www.google.com\n<marc-> cristian ho controllato l'hash e ok\n<gio_> su syntax devo selezionare qualcosa?\n<marc-> non capisco perchè arriva a una schermata nera con la scritta syslinux ecc con il cursore lampeggiante alla seconda riga\n<gio_> mi esce questo Paste from gio ca at Sun, 26 May 2013 15:53:35 +0000\n<cristian_c> gio_, niente xynatx\n<cristian_c> come mamma l'ha fatto\n<cristian_c> *syntax\n<gio_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5703749/\n<Liink> Sera\n<marc-> cristian scusami ho controllato l'hash e mi dice che è lo stesso\n<cristian_c> marc-, ottimo\n<cristian_c> gio_, allora, pastebin l'hai saputo usare\n<cristian_c> gio_, il problema è che ci devi incollare i risultati dei comandi\n<marc-> si ottimo ma non purtroppo non parte\n<cristian_c> marc-, che iso hai scaricato?\n<cristian_c> nome dell'iso\n<marc-> ubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386\n<cristian_c> uhm\n<cristian_c> marc-, spiega esattamente cosa succede, quando accendi il pc con la usb collegata\n<marc-> allora\n<marc-> messo nel bios la pertenza con usb\n<gio_> non saprei come fare per copiare e incollare da un pc ad un altro\n<marc-> arriva una schemata nera con la scritta syslinux 4.04 edd 2011-04-18 copyright (c) 1994-2011 h.peter anvin et al con il cursore lampeggiante in seconda riga e non fa nulla\n<marc-> se cerco di cliccare qualche tasto sento un bip ù\n<marc-> ho provato anche con la versione 12.04lts\n<marc-> ma niente\n<marc-> e due giorni che provo\n<Liink> marc-, scusami che problema hai ?\n<marc-> ciao liink come dicevo a cristian non riesco a far partire ubuntu da usb\n<Liink> marc-, hai un netbook\n<marc-> si ma ho provato anche su un desktop\n<Liink> marc-, che errore ti da ?\n<cristian_c> gio_, file di testo\n<cristian_c> è una soluzione\n<marc-> syslinux 4.04 edd 2011-04-18 copyright (c) 1994-2011 h.peter anvin et al con il cursore lampeggiante in seconda riga e non fa nulla\n<Liink> marc-, tu hai scaricato linux da unetbootin ?\n<cristian_c> marc-, che pc è?\n<marc-> uno un acer aod150 l'altro un hp dc7700 entranbi hanno win 7 montato sopra\n<Liink> marc-, tu hai scaricato linux da unetbootin ?\n<Liink> marc-, o dal sito ? Molte volte scaricandolo da unetbootin (sempre se utilizzi quel programma) da quanche problema\n<marc-> no ho scaricato ubuntu dal sito ufficiale\n<marc-> ho usato dopo unebooting\n<Liink> marc-, utilizzi sempre la stessa usb ?\n<marc-> ho provato a cambiarla ma ninete\n<marc-> niente\n<marc-> ho formattato le chiavette che ho usao in fat32\n<marc-> poi ho aperto unebooting\n<Liink> marc-, prova in ntsf\n<Liink> marc-, anche se non dipende da questo....\n<marc-> ho cliccato iso e tramite il pulsante dei tre puntini sono andato a caricare iso ubuntu ,ho selezionato la chiavetta usb F e ho fatto fare tutto al programmino\n<marc-> finito tutto ho riavviato ma nulla\n<marc-> provo a formattarla in ntfs\n<Liink> marc-, il problema è intrigato perchè mi dici che non è la stessa usb, sono 2 computer differenti, e due versioni di ubuntu..\n<Liink> marc-, sicuro che sia F:\n<marc-> si si\n<marc-> sicuro\n<marc-> ho solo quella collagata\n<cristian_c> marc-, fat32 a bene\n<cristian_c> *va\n<Liink> cristian_c: si è vero va bene ma facciamolo provare lo stesso\n<Liink> cristian_c: tentare non costa nulla\n<Liink> marc-, hai modificato qualche cosa nel bios ?\n<marc-> nel netbook il bootloader\n<Liink> marc-, nel fisso ?\n<marc-> per far partire per prima la chiavetta\n<marc-> nel fisso devo cliccare f9\n<Liink> marc-, se è solo quello allora non c'è problema\n<cristian_c> marc-, quanta ram hanno i i pc?\n<marc-> entrambi 2gb\n<marc-> pochi?\n<Liink> marc-, nono\n<Liink> marc-, hai provato solo con ubuntu 13.04 e 12.04 ?\n<marc-> nel fisso andando nel boot e selezionando la chiavetta non me lo fa neanche partire mi fa partire win7\n<marc-> si solo quei 2\n<Liink> marc-, modifica il bootloader del fisso dai la priorità alla usb\n<Liink> marc-, dagli la priorità rimetti fat32 e questa volta prova a scaricare l'iso da unetbootin....\n<cristian_c> marc-, è molto strano\n<Liink> cristian_c: la cosa strana che ha provato con diverse cose.....\n<Liink> cristian_c: ma il risultato è sempre lo stesso\n<cristian_c> più che altro non mi so dare una spiegazione logica\n<Liink> idem\n<cristian_c> marc-, quanto è grande la pendrive?\n<cristian_c> marc-, hai provato con un'altra pendrive?\n<krabador> alcuni bios vedono le penne un fat16\n<cristian_c> krabador, eh, ma due è coincidenza\n<krabador> *in\n<Liink> krabador: 2 pc ?\n<krabador> è una questione di bios\n<cristian_c> Liink, beh, va detto che io ho tre pc con la stessa scheda ethernet con bug\n<cristian_c> Liink, non l'avrei mai detto\n<cristian_c> una particolare realtek\n<cristian_c> lol\n<krabador> per alcuni funziona solo unetbootin\n<cristian_c> mmmmmmm\n<cristian_c> infatti ho un'altraidea\n<krabador> e non quello per esempio consigliato sul wiki ubuntu, come software per win\n<cristian_c> comunque\n<Liink> cristian_c: bene :) ora c'è da capire il problema.... dell'utente marc\n<cristian_c> una cosa da fare è provare con un'altra penna\n<krabador> di regola si deve formattare la pendrive con l'utility di hp\n<cristian_c> krabador, il netbook è acer\n<krabador> e usare prima questo http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows\n<krabador> poi unetbootin\n<krabador> se si vuole fare da win\n<jester-> è er mejo\n<cristian_c> marc-, hai provato con un'altra pendrive?\n<krabador> unetbootin in caso non vada il primo\n<cristian_c> krabador, lui ha già usato unetbootin\n<marc-> ho provato con la stessa formattata in ntfs ma non parte va direttamente in win 7\n<jester-> na ciofeca\n<cristian_c> lol\n<Liink> marc-, dagli la priorità rimetti fat32 e questa volta prova a scaricare l'iso da unetbootin....\n<Liink> <Liink> marc-, modifica il bootloader del fisso dai la priorità alla usb\n<Liink> <Liink> marc-, dagli la priorità rimetti fat32 e questa volta prova a scaricare l'iso da unetbootin....\n<krabador> allora marc- formatta la pendrive con http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Hard-Disk-Utils/HP-USB-Disk-Storage-Format-Tool.shtml\n<marc-> come devo fare da unebooting\n<jester-> !usbwin | marc- the best way\n<ubot-it> marc- the best way: Scarica PenDriveLinux (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/) | Installalo su Windows e lancialo: lui si occuperà di trasferire l'immagine ISO su USB | Opzionalmente questo programma può anche scaricare lui stesso l'immagine ISO | Attenzione: il programma è in inglese\n<krabador> poi usa http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows\n<Liink> riavvio\n<krabador> se non va, dopo questo, riformatta e prova unetbootin\n<marc-> provo con pendrive linux\n<Liink> marc-, novità \n<ildaniel> ciao, qualcuno conosce e usa idesk? non riesco a far partire i programmi una volta create le icone...\n<krabador> !chat | ildaniel\n<ubot-it> ildaniel: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<ildaniel> a ops è vero scuSS\n<massy> salve a tutti\n<massy> la mia domanda di oggi: ho un router alice con dhcp automatico, ad ogni avvio di sessione con ubuntu-gnome 13-04 mi cambia IP. Per avere un ip statico, devo andare in impostazioni di rete/cavo/impostazioni IPv4 e li mettere indirizzo maschera gateway?\n<cristian_c> massy, clic destro sull'icona di NM\n<cristian_c> massy, modifica connessioni\n<cristian_c> la selezioni, impostazione ipv4\n<cristian_c> scegli manual\n<cristian_c> e poi imposti gli ip\n<enzotib> buonasera\n<massy> grazie ragazzi\n<massy> gentilissimi come sempre\n<cristian_c> massy, hai fatto?\n<rojaleo> ciao! sono un paio di giorni che smanetto con ubuntu 12.04 dopo anni di fedeltàa xp.... vorrei continuare con questa versione, però mi sta dando dei problemi, per esempio con la scheda video perchè quando faccio delle videochiamate con skype l'altra persona mi vede ma io vedo il video che sfarfalla e diventa tutto blu.... in realtàè un pò vecchiotto il portatile, è un acer aspire 3000. avete qualche consiglio da darmi o Ã\n<Liink> rojaleo, ciao benevnuto nel mondo linux, hai aggiornato i driver della scheda video ?\n<Liink> rojaleo, hai quelli raccomandati ?\n<rojaleo> ciao Liink! dal terminale ho controllato e pare tutto apposto... la mia scheda è sis è mi dice Status ok installed..\n<Liink> rojaleo, allora vai su driver aggiuntivi e scrivimi quello che vedi\n<rojaleo> c'è solo la scheda wireless che l'ho installata tramite il programmino di driver wireless di windows\n<rojaleo> ti copio la schermata\n<rojaleo> This package contains Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driver for use with Broadcom's BCM4311-, BCM4312-, BCM4313-, BCM4321-, BCM4322-, BCM43224-, and BCM43225-, BCM43227- and BCM43228-based hardware.\n<Liink> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<rojaleo> Liink, ti è arrivata..?\n<Liink> rojaleo, si ora cerco di capire il problema\n<rojaleo> Liink, grande grazie mille\n<Samul> ciao a tutti\n<Samul> ho un problema con ubuntu 13.04\n<Samul> ha qualche problema a rilevare i dispositivi connessi via USB.\n<Samul> per esempio quando avvio virtualbox e provo a guardare nella lista dei dispositivi USB, dice che non ce ne sono\n<Samul> ma in realtà ce ne sono ben due connessi.\n<Samul> GParted li vede, però.\n<Samul> ho provato con una pennetta USB e un Hard Disk esterno, sempre connesso via USB.\n<Samul> quando connetto la USB, compare \"volume da 8 GB\" e GParted la vede, però virtualbox no. per l'hard disk esterno, solo GParted lo vede.\n<enzotib> !enter | Samul\n<ubot-it> Samul: non spezzettare una frase su piu' righe. Non utilizzare il ritorno a capo come punteggiatura.\n<enzotib> Samul, il problema è virtualbox?\n<Samul> no\n<Samul> non solo.\n<Samul> lo è anche il wbfs manager. conosci?\n<enzotib> e allora cos'altro?\n<enzotib> mai sentito\n<Samul> va beh\n<Samul> serve sempre per svolgere delle funzioni con gli HDD esterni.\n<Samul> diciamo che io voglio che sia la USB che l'HDD vengano letti correttamente e funzionino come devono.\n<enzotib> Samul, le applicazioni vedono un volume se viene montato (gparted però fa da sé), altrimenti no\n<enzotib> Samul, e il montaggio automatico dipende dal filemanager\n<Samul> quindi?\n<Samul> devo solo montare?\n<Samul> sì ora che mi ci fai pensare l'ho smontata prima per formattarla\n<Samul> ah no è montata.\n<enzotib> Samul, oltre virtualbox, che rispetto alle usb è tutto un mondo a parte, non ho ben capito cos'è che non va\n<Samul> wbfs manager.\n<Samul> che serve per backuppare le ISOs dei giochi per wii da un hdd esterno.\n<enzotib> quindi sono dischi che sono formattati in modo particolare? wbfs filesystem\n<Samul> sì\n<Samul> sono un po' diversi diciamo\n<Samul> se vuoi ti do uno screen di gparted\n<enzotib> Samul, il problema è che quel wbfs manager non vede il disco?\n<Samul> eh sì\n<Samul> se proprio vogliamo, windows lo vedeva.\n<Samul> http://i.imgur.com/rHN69TU.png\n<Samul> e poi, mi diresti anche come faccio a far sì che virtualbox veda la USB?\n<enzotib> Samul, da quella schermata direi che gparted vede la partizione ma non capisce cos'è, ed è comprensibile\n<Samul> eh\n<Samul> ma wbfs dovrebbe\n<Samul> è fatto apposta!\n<enzotib> hai provato il pacchetto qwbfsmanager?\n<Samul> è quello.\n<Samul> è lo stesso pacchetto, cambia il nome da windows a linux\n<enzotib> ah\n<enzotib> allora boh\n<Samul> allora mi dici almeno qual è il problema di virtualbox?\n<enzotib> comunque in virtualbox devi installare l'extension pack, se non l'hai fatto\n<enzotib> poi aggiungere il tuo utente al gruppo vboxusers con il comando: sudo adduser $USER vboxusers\n<enzotib> riavviare la sessione\n<Samul> bene\n<Samul> solo che non so qual è dei tre l'estension pack che devo installare\n<Samul> nell'ubuntu software center ce ne sono tre\n<enzotib> no no\n<Samul> e allora dov'è?\n<enzotib> Samul, hai installato virtualbox da software center?\n<Samul> sì\n<Samul> ._.\n<enzotib> Samul, è uno dei rari casi in cui consigliamo quello preso da sito\n<Samul> D:\n<Samul> ma ho già installato cinque o sei macchina virtualié\n<Samul> *macchine virtuali\n<enzotib> quelle dovrebbero continuare a funzionare\n<enzotib> sennò puoi provare a vedere se ti installa il pack preso da sito sull'installazione che hai\n<Samul> un momento.\n<Samul> ora provo.\n<enzotib> Samul, attenzione che non sto parlando di guest additions ma di extension pack, è diverso\n<Samul> perché se così fosse\n<Samul> sì sì lo so\n<Samul> adesso vedo che fare\n<Samul> perché se riesco a farlo funzionare\n<Samul> risolvo anche il problema dell'hdd\n<Samul> perché windows lo vede.\n<Samul> ops, scusa se invio le frasi \"spezzate\", è un vizio che devo cercare di perdere.\n<enzotib> eh\n<enzotib> comunque le vm continuano a funzionare, fai Macchina->Aggiungi dal menu e cerchi il file.vbox relativo\n<enzotib> in ogni caso fatti un backup, non voglio responsabilità :)\n<Samul> sìsì\n<Samul> allora, un'altra domanda\n<Samul> esiste un programma che mi faccia masterizzare un ISO windows su una USB?\n<Samul> con unetbootin non si può.\n<Samul> ...\n<enzotib> Samul, intendi una iso del dvd di boot per installare windows?\n<Samul> sì\n<enzotib> sì può fare, una volta l'ho fatto, ma devi cercare in rete, non ricordo\n<enzotib> e comunque esula dagli argomenti di questa chat\n<Samul> ok.\n<enzotib> non lo fai con strumenti standard, comunque\n<rojaleo> ehi Liink..\n<Samul> mmh\n<Samul> mi sa che ho risolto\n<Samul> credo bastasse eseguirlo da root.\n<Samul> -.-\n<Samul> come faccio a eseguire tutti i programmi da root?\n<massy> basta scrivere il nome del programma\n<massy> nel terminale\n<Samul> eh\n<Samul> ma graficamente\n<massy> al max se richiede i privilegi di root ti chiede la pass di amministrazione\n<Samul> ma graficamente\n<massy> fai na prova\n<Samul> già fatto\n<massy> apri terminale e digita un prog che tu hai installato\n<Samul> ma è uno sbattimento ogni volta aprire il terminale.\n<massy> e che ti esce?\n<Samul> si apre, ma non ho voglia di farlo dal terminale.\n<Samul> non c'è un modo graficamente?\n<massy> in che senso graficamente?\n<Samul> che io clicco sull'icona\n<massy> che sistema operativo usi?\n<Samul> e me lo apre come root\n<Samul> ubuntu 13.04\n<Samul> ._.\n<massy> con unity?\n<massy> o con gnome?\n<Samul> ?\n<Samul> boh\n<massy> ehehe\n<Samul> come lo vedo?\n<massy> hai la barra a sinistra verticale coi programmi?\n<Samul> sì\n<massy> allora è unity\n<Samul> ok.\n<massy> clicca sul primo icona in alto, si chiama dash\n<Samul> sì\n<Samul> poi?\n<massy> e li nella stringa apri i programmi\n<Samul> ah\n<massy> esempio, per il terminale, dgt ter\n<Samul> basta far così?\n<massy> si\n<massy> semplice no?\n<Samul> e me li apre come root?\n<massy> li apre con il tuo nome amministratore\n<massy> penso sia root\n<Samul> non credo\n<massy> fai na prova\n<Samul> perché se apro per esempio unetbootin\n<Samul> mi dice che deve essere aperto come root\n<Samul> ergo non lo apre come root\n<massy> allora per aprire uneboottin\n<massy> apri terminale, digita\n<Samul> sì\n<Samul> lo so\n<massy> sudo su\n<Samul> sudo bla bla bla\n<Samul> ma io NON VOGLIO FARLO DAL TERMINALE, io chiedo se c'è un modo di cliccarci e te lo apre da solo come root.\n<massy> purtroppo uneboottin è uno di quei programi che richiedono di essere root\n<massy> anche synaptic\n<Samul> ma non c'entra\n<Samul> non è solo per quello\n<Samul> io dico in generale\n<Samul> se posso far sì che tutti i programmi me li apre root in automatico.\n<massy> per quello devi aspettare qualcun altro piu esperto di me\n<massy> penso che esiste il modo, magari con un lanciatore\n<Samul> ok.\n<Samul> una domanda\n<massy> dimmi\n<Samul> è normale che eseguendo virtualbox da root tutte le macchine virtuali non ci siano?\n<massy> non lo so io lo eseguo normalmente\n<Samul> ok\n<massy> mica lo lancio da root\n<Samul> eh ma se non lancio da root non mi vede le USB\n<massy> impossibile, io le vedo e non sono mai in root\n<enzotib> Samul, le usb le vede se fai come ho detto io prima\n<massy> mi sa che usiamo lo stesso ubuntu\n<Samul> va beh\n<massy> io ubuntu-gnome 13.04\n<enzotib> Samul, ed è normale che non vede le vm, dato che sono del tuo utente\n<massy> ciao enzotib\n<enzotib> ciao massy\n<menendez> ciao a tutti\n<massy> dciao menendez\n<Samul> ciao menendez\n<menendez> :-)\n<massy> enzotib: mi sa che mi son perso la prima parte dell'auiuto\n<enzotib> massy, probabile :)\n<massy> per ora di problemi ubuntu 13.904 nn me ne crea\n<massy> 13.04\n<massy> uso la ubuntu-gnome\n<installazione_he> ciao\n<ubuntu-dar> buonasera atutti\n<ubuntu-dar> c'è qualche persona che può aiutarmi nell'istallazione di zimbra\n<enzotib> ubuntu-dar, e che cos'è?\n<ubuntu-dar> zimbra e un server di posta elettronica\n<enzotib> ubuntu-dar, non mi pare ci sia nei repo\n<ubuntu-dar> la prima cosa che non mi riesce e collegarmi con putty al server\n<ubuntu-dar> le istruzioni mi dicono di entrare come utente root\n<ubuntu-dar> ma la password di root nell'installazione del ubuntu servr 12.04 lts non è impostata\n<enzotib> ubuntu-dar, quando ho detto che non è nei repo, volevo mettere in evidenza che qui non c'è supporto per software non ufficialmente supportato\n<ubuntu-dar> si scusa ma per entrare con putty sul server come root me lo potete spiegare\n<imus62> ho problemi con flash player in ubuntu 13.04\n<enzotib> ubuntu-dar, non saprei\n<enzotib> imus62, che problemi?\n<imus62> vedo i video da youtube veloci e senza audio\n<enzotib> veloci? questa è nuova\n<enzotib> imus62, come hai installato flash?\n<GabMus> come circa 1.5x di velocità ?\n<GabMus> usi chrome/chromium? se si è un problema di chrome/chromium appunto. Purtroppo non puoi farci molto\n<enzotib> GabMus, è uscito\n<GabMus> oh\n<GabMus> sono molto distratto\n<GabMus> Domandina veloce: voi per la musica cosa usate? Io sono tornato a Banshee, che secondo me è ottimo, ma mi piacerebbe avere qualcosa di più simile al nuovo itunes\n<enzotib> GabMus, io uso Clementine\n<enzotib> non saprei dire se assomiglia a iTunes, non credo\n<GabMus> non è che è poi così attraente\n<GabMus> clementine dico\n<GabMus> è un po' troppo complesso\n<GabMus> poi non è scritto per kde?\n<GabMus> sarà male integrato con unity/gnome\n<enzotib> io non uso né unity né gnome\n<GabMus> xfce?\n<enzotib> in ogni caso deriva da amarok e usa le qt, ma non ha niente a che vedere con lde\n<enzotib> s', uso xfce\n<enzotib> sì*\n<GabMus> sai cosa? dovrei dare un'altra chance a xfce\n<GabMus> come gestore finestre che usi?\n<enzotib> il default, xfwm4\n<GabMus> mh, non ne vado pazzo\n<GabMus> una volta ci avevo messo compiz\n<GabMus> ma compiz è morto praticamente. sarebbe interessante metterci il gestore di gnome-shell. mutter, giusto?\n<GabMus> sarei anche disposto a provare pantheon-shell, solo che mi infastidisce l'idea di dover aggiungere i repo di elementary...\n<enzotib> compiz è morto? unity dipende da compiz\n<enzotib> comunque secondo me sono discussioni piuttosto sterili, un wm vale l'altro se funziona per quello che ti serve\n<GabMus> si, se è per questo anche un de vale l'altro. non per questo siamo tutti ad usare twm o openbox\n<GabMus> in un de voglio anche un po' di stile, non chiedo tanto. gli effettini di gnome-shell sono molto belli\n<GabMus> poi unity dipende da compiz per ora, ma per quello che ho capito (e correggetemi se sbaglio) unity 8 con mir non lo dovrebbe più usare\n<enzotib> non so\n<viper155> Non riesco a visualizzare le unità del galaxy s3\n<viper155> Jelly bean 4.1.2\n<bigmonster0595> ciao\n<bigmonster0595> c'èmqualcuno che può aiutarmi nellinstallazione?\n<bigmonster0595> nell'installazione*\n<ziovale> Per favore mi spiegate perche non riesco ad installare programmi su ubuntu dandomi -errore pacchetti non fidati\n<enzotib> ziovale, sudo apt-get update\n<enzotib> !pastebin | ziovale fa vedere l'output su pastebin\n<ubot-it> ziovale fa vedere l'output su pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<ziovale> scusatemi ragazzi sono un neofita vi chiedo di instradarmi e darmi delle lezioni se avete pazienza\n<vladi> ciao a tutti, ho un po di problemi a configurare per la connession internet ubuntu 13 04. Quando l'ho installato avevo una connessione tramite eth0 funzionante. ora lo provo con un modem usando alice, con pppoe ma non riesco a configurarlo correttamente. Riesco a pingare, ma non funziona ftp e neanche il browser.. qualcuno mi puo' dare una dritta..\n<vladi> pppoe conf non trova nessun access concentrator\n<gionni> ciao\n<vladi> ciao\n<vladi> gionni te ne capisci di ubuntu?\n<gionni> sto scaricando ubuntu\n<gionni> piu o meno\n<vladi> non riesco a configurare pppoeconf per usarlo con alice\n<gionni> su altri pci lo uso ..\n<gionni> ----\n<gionni> io non riesco a trovare il file per installarlo\n<vladi> secondo te, se ping funziona, risolve gli indirizzi, non c'e' nessun firewall, come mai da browser non riesco ad andare in internet?\n<vladi> in che senso non riesci a trovare il file?\n<gionni> nel senso che lo scarico e poi?\n<gionni> comunque prova a usare mozilla come broures\n<vladi> lo scarichi, metti su una chiavetta l'immagine iso e riavvi cambiando le impostazioni del bios\n<gionni> ma una volta lo install da pc\n<gionni> è l'unico modo?\n<ubuntu-dar> Buonasera a tutti\n<ubuntu-dar> help me\n<gionni> ciao\n<gionni> siamo apposto...\n<gionni> ciao che tu sappia per install ubuntu...\n<gionni> ci vuole per forza una chiavetta?\n<ubuntu-dar> sto cambiando dei parametri di rete su un ubuntu server 12.04 tramite putty ssh\n<ubuntu-dar> questo e il comando vi /etc/network/interfaces ma non riesco a salvare le modifiche qualche utente mi può aiutare\n<ziovale> ho provato a dare da terminale il comando - sudo apt-get update - ma mi sempre errore - installazione pacchetti non fidati -\n<gionni> quindi?\n<jester-> ziovale: hai aggiunto un ppa senza importae la key\n<jester-> !gpgerr | ziovale\n<ubot-it> ziovale: Se ricevi errori di chiave GPG dopo aver aggiunto dei repository personalizzati, identifica la chiave GPG che restituisce l'errore ricevuto ( per esempio 437D05B5 ) ed esegui da terminale: gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys <codice_chiaveGPG> && gpg --export --armor | sudo apt-key add - && sudo apt-get update\n<ziovale> come faccio - ripeto son principiante\n<jester-> ziovale: elimina il ppa che anno solo danni\n<jester-> che fanno*\n<jester-> !ppa\n<ubot-it> Un Personal Package Archive (PPA) è in grado di fornire il software alternativo non normalmente disponibile nei repository di Ubuntu offical - Alla ricerca di un PPA? Vedi https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - ATTENZIONE: PPA sono pacchetti di terze parti NON supportati il cui utilizzo è a proprio rischio. Vedi anche !addppa e !ppa-purge\n<ubuntu-dar> sto cambiando dei parametri di rete su un ubuntu server 12.04 tramite putty ssh questo e il comando vi /etc/network/interfaces ma non riesco a salvare le modifiche qualche utente mi può aiutare\n<jester-> ubuntu-dar: non riesci a srivere il file?\n<jester-> serve sudo e essere root\n<ubuntu-dar> auth eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.100 gateway 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 dns-nameservers 192.168.1.10 8.8.8.8\n<jester-> ubuntu-dar: devi essere root o usare udo per scrivere fuori dalla home\n<ubuntu-dar> ho fatto sudo su\n<ubuntu-dar> e sono riuscito a entrare come root grazie mille\n<Liink> Buona Notte a tutti\n<ziovale> ibboost-system1.49.0 libtorrent-rasterbar6 qbittorrent - questo e il messaggio che mi da per installare qBITTORRENT\n<ziovale> anche se x il momento non sono riuscito a trovare delle soluzioni vi ringrazio - alla prossima\n<cristian_> ciao\n<Chakrino> ciao\n<nannes> hi Chakrino\n<Chakrino> hi\n<giox> Buonasera\n<giox> vorrei installare ubuntu\n<giox> sul mio portatile\n<giox> ho provato a scaricare la iso e metterla su pennetta (non avendo masterizzatore)\n<giox> e regolare il boot su di essa\n<giox> ma non succede niente\n<giox> mi potreste gentilmente indicare qualche altra soluzione al mio problema?\n<Chakrino> -\n#ubuntu-it 2014-05-19\n<ufalc> Abbruyyese ci sei?\n<ufalc> abbruzzese\n<ufalc> ragayyi chi mi da una mano?\n<ufalc> ragazzo abbruzzese ci sei?\n<ufalc> qualcuno di buona volonta che mi da una mano?\n<Nico_> ce ancora qualcuno ?\n<Joshua^Dunamis> io\n<Nico_> avrei un problemino con ubuntu precisamente, accedendo l nuovo vps, e questo ha un sistemaoperativo Ubuntu, io praticamente non riesco a vedere la schermata del desktop\n<Nico_> ho seguito parecchie guide\n<Nico_> su youtube e in rete, ma non ci sono santi per farlo funzonare\n<krabador> Nico_, se ha ubuntu server senza ambiente grafico, non potrai mai vederlo\n<krabador> Nico_, che macchina è?\n<Nico_> ti posso fare vedere il sito\n<krabador> Nico_, dove è collegata questa macchina?\n<Nico_> e un server francese\n<Nico_> e strano che mi dann il collegamento remoto, senon posso vedere la grafica\n<Nico_> quelli della macchna sono milanesi\n<Nico_> i titolari\n<krabador> Nico_, che cosa deve gestire questa macchina?\n<Nico_> semplicemente un server di gioco\n<Nico_> mi serve banda e abitando in un paese, non ne ho\n<krabador> Nico_, \"accesso remoto\" non significa che tu debba vedere il desktop\n<Nico_> io sono abituato a windows\n<krabador> Nico_, puo' tranquillamente significare che hai accesso per configurarlo, ma a riga di comando\n<krabador> Nico_, consulta i fornitori del servizio\n<Nico_> vedi configurarlo a riga di comando, per uno che usa la prima volta un sistema operativo lunix puo essere un problemone\n<krabador> Nico_, e perchè non l'hai chiesto prima a chi te l'ha venduto=?\n<Nico_> perche ho visto un prezzo di pochi euro, e e ho visto vps, i due che ho usato su windows erano con interfaccia grafica\n<krabador> Nico_, ci sono vps che ti consentono l'installazione dell'ambiente grafico\n<krabador> e vps che non te lo consentono\n<Nico_> questo non lo sapevo\n<krabador> Nico_, dipende dal fornitore del servizio\n<Nico_> ora ormai no pero al servizio supporti lo chiedo per domani\n<krabador> per un collegamento remoto, nella media conviene assolutamente installare un ambiente grafico il piu' minimale possibile\n<Nico_> il problema come ti dicevo, e che dalle mie parti non ho campo non ho banda, altrimenti installavo tutto io nel mio pc ed era tutto ok\n<Nico_> pero con 8 mega che fai\n<krabador> Nico_, http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=566543\n<krabador> 8 megabit?\n<Nico_> mbs di connessione e 0.70 di upload\n<Nico_> un ping che se va bene e 70 o 60\n<krabador> beh, se sono pieni, 8 mbps, non è male\n<krabador> c'è gente che sta peggio in zone molto piu' urbane\n<Nico_> ma per gestire un server di gioco ti server un upload anche di 8 10 mega\n<Nico_> minimo\n<Nico_> abito a Venezia\n<krabador> per gestire un server serve banda, ma dicevi che \"al paese stavi male\" ... sei semplicemente allineato alla media nazionale\n<Nico_> e cominciamo solo ora a migliorare, ma solo in citta\n<krabador> e, fidati, sei tra i piu' fortunati\n<Nico_> sisi certo\n<Nico_> nono e la media nazionale\n<Nico_> lo so\n<krabador> ci sono aziende, che con contratti business ultrapagati, in base alla zona in cui sono locate devono accontentarsi di 1 mbps\n<krabador> e 200k di upload\n<Nico_> in questi anni non ci sono stati invesimenti, sempre di politica alla fine si parla\n<Nico_> investimenti\n<krabador> preservano monopoli, con una connettività buona, la gente smette di usare i media tradizionali\n<krabador> per questo ci vanno piano\n<krabador> Nico_, se te lo permette il fornitore del servizio, comunque dovrai installare a mano l'ambiente grafico\n<krabador> con qualche comando , da impartire dal terminale\n<Nico_> sara dura , come ho detto linux io lo conosco poco poco\n<midy> aiuto con ubuntu 14.04 che non si collega alla time capsule.\n<midy> qualcuno ha idea?\n<akis24> giorno\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<pillo> BUONGIORNO A TUTTI\n<pillo> scusate il maiusc\n<pillo> Buongiorno\n<pillo> dove posso trovare una guida linux da 0\n<zavorra> salve a tutti\n<zavorra> ho un problema con una webcam\n<zavorra> quando parte la videochiamata skype (uso lubuntu) , la videata tende a lampeggiare di verde , fino a che si interrompe e non vedo più nulla, a dire il vero sembra un problema skype-Lubuntu perchè ho provato con altra webcam ed il risultato è identico\n<gloria_> buongiorno avrei bisogno di un consiglio per l'instqallazione\n<krabador> gloria_, chiedi\n<gloria_> ok ho xp su un ssd e vorrei installarci vicino ubuntu ma ho anghe un'altro hdd da 1,5 t partizionato in 3\n<gloria_> ubuntu messo sull'ssd leggerebbe anche il secondo hdd ?\n<gloria_> mmmmhh domanda troppo scema ?? state forse rotolando dalle risate ...\n<Xandrox> salve ù\n<jester-> gloria_: grub vede tutto poi devi scegliere la modalita\n<Xandrox> cerco aiuto per un portatile hp550 dove non si attiva il wifi con ubuntu 14.04\n<jester-> Xandrox: broadcom?\n<Xandrox> si credo\n<jester-> Xandrox: sei dal pc problema?\n<gloria_> jester-: cosa intendi per modalità ..?\n<Xandrox> Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection\n<Xandrox> si\n<jester-> gloria_: per la precisione la combinazione è pc con normale hd e sd esterna?\n<jester-> Xandrox: intel è un casino pare non ci sia ancora il driver per al 14.04\n<Xandrox> :(\n<jester-> krabador: te che segui la intel hanno risolto?\n<Xandrox> si ho notato ma speravo in una soluzione\n<Xandrox> quindi potrei mettere la 12.04 e farla funzionare?ù\n<krabador> jester-, hanno pubblicato l'installer\n<krabador> si\n<jester-> c'è un installer intel che tiene pure il river aggiornato la per la 14-04 c'erano problemi\n<krabador> per la 14.04\n<jester-> krabador: se dici a Xandrox come fare\n<Xandrox> te ne sarei grato\n<krabador> Xandrox, che ubuntu ?\n<krabador> 32 o 64?\n<Xandrox> 14.04 lts 64\n<krabador> Xandrox, allora scarica questo https://download.01.org/gfx/ubuntu/14.04/main/pool/main/i/intel-linux-graphics-installer/intel-linux-graphics-installer_1.0.5-0intel1_amd64.deb\n<gloria_> jester-: allora nel pc ho un ssd corsair con circa 20 Gb di spazio disponibili (disco C ) dove c'è xp e un hdd western digital con 3 partizioni ntfs da 500 gb l'una. vorrei installare ubuntu sull' SSD e leggere/scrivere i dati anche sul secondo disco .. è possibile ?\n<jester-> gloria_: servono almeno 10 12 gb di spazio per l'os\n<jester-> li hai liberi all'interno di xp?\n<Xandrox> krabador: lo installo col doppio click o da terminale?\n<jester-> gloria_: comunque il sistema su ssd ha poco senso\n<jester-> velocizza il boot ma non l'uso\n<krabador> Xandrox, no\n<gloria_> jester-: quindi potrei installare ubuntu in una delle partizioni dell'hdd ?\n<jester-> gloria_: velocizza se ci metti la home su ssd cioè dove leggi e scrivi\n<jester-> gloria_: yess\n<gloria_> jester-: anche se non è il disco primario ?\n<jester-> gloria_: fai una partizione da 20 gb per il sistema\n<jester-> un 200 per òa home e una da 4 per la swap\n<Xandrox> krabador: scusami non ho capito che faccio dopo averlo scaricato?\n<krabador> Xandrox, apri il terminale\n<krabador> Xandrox, vai nella cartella in cui l'hai scaricato\n<jester-> gloria_: frega una cass di sove sta liunx\n<jester-> gloria_: ma devi fare installazione manuale\n<jester-> è un po un casino\n<gloria_> jester allora nella partizione che ora è per esempio disco E sposto i dati, ma la devo formattare?\n<Xandrox> krabador: da terminale ho un po di problemi ancora scusami, il file è nella cartella scaricati\n<krabador> Xandrox, apri il terminale, e scrivi cd Scaricati\n<krabador> poi invio\n<Xandrox> krabador: ok\n<jester-> gloria_: bisogna vedere come sei messo con dischi e partizion,dovresti usare la live e venire in canale che si controlla\n<gloria_> jester-: alla fine avrei un ssd disco C con solo xp e un hdd con 2 partizioni (E e G) con file nts e 1 partizione con ubuntu e le sue 3 partizioni giusto ?\n<jester-> gloria_: si vede quello che è possibile fare\n<Xandrox> krabador: ci sono krabador\n<krabador> Xandrox, adesso , sudo dpkg -i intel-linux-graphics-installer_1.0.5-0intel1_amd64.deb || apt-get -yf install\n<zavorra> Mi sà che il problema è skype , xchè con cheese và tutto bene....qualcuno ha idea di come posso far funzionare skype per bene ?\n<krabador> Xandrox, aspetta\n<jester-> gloria_: potresti virtualizzarlo in winzo con vmware player\n<Xandrox> krabador: ok attendo\n<krabador> Xandrox, sudo dpkg -i intel-linux-graphics-installer_1.0.5-0intel1_amd64.deb || sudo apt-get -yf install\n<jester-> se hai un po diram\n<krabador> Xandrox, copia ed incolla quest'ultima linea, per intero\n<krabador> !pastebin | Xandrox\n<ubot-it> Xandrox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<gloria_> jester-: si quando avrò scaricato e masterizzato la iso tornerò però mi anticipavo perchè domani mi arriva un nas e devo sapere come formattare i dischi\n<krabador> Xandrox, poi usa pastebin, per incollare il risultato dei comandi che ti ho mandato\n<jester-> gloria_: dische esterni rallentano assai\n<jester-> dischi*\n<gloria_> jester-: ma sono la cosa migliore per il back up e poi avrei tutti i contenuti accessibili on line :)\n<Xandrox> krabador: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7487816/\n<gloria_> jester-: e vorrei che fossero salvati e disponibili anche quelli contenuti nella partizione dedicata a ubuntu\n<krabador> Xandrox, adesso apri questo link\n<krabador> Xandrox, http://pastie.org/pastes/9189144/text\n<krabador> copia ed incolla nel terminale\n<krabador> manda\n<krabador> Xandrox, poi pastebin\n<Xandrox> krabador: non mi da nulla\n<krabador> ok\n<krabador> Xandrox, sudo intel-linux-graphics-installer\n<krabador> e parte l'installer\n<Xandrox> krabador: si\n<Xandrox> krabador: reporto o close?\n<krabador> reporti o close,cosa?\n<Xandrox> ha finito e mi da back close report\n<krabador> Xandrox, ma ha dato errore?\n<Xandrox> krabador: nono\n<krabador> Xandrox, ah, allora, close\n<krabador> Xandrox, aspetta\n<krabador> Xandrox, mandami un'immagine, per favore\n<krabador> premi stamp\n<krabador> poi http://it.tinypic.com/\n<krabador> fai l'upload ed incolla il link qui\n<gloria_> jester-: ti ringrazio tornerò + tardi ciao\n<Xandrox> krabador: krabador http://it.tinypic.com/r/v3gdj9/8\n<krabador> ok Xandrox tutto apposto\n<krabador> riavvia, come ti chiede\n<krabador> ed al riavvio hai il driver intel\n<Xandrox> krabador: ok torno fra un po e ti dico poi se tutto va bene mi dici in quale piazza farti la statua ^_^\n<krabador> Xandrox, ok\n<xandrox_> krabador: rieccomi\n<xandrox_> krabador: il tasto per attivare il wifi rimane arancione e in rete vedo in grigio attiva wifi\n<krabador> xandrox_, rfkill list\n<krabador> !pastebin\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<xandrox_> krabador: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7487880/\n<krabador> xandrox_, sudo rfkill unblock all\n<krabador> rfkill list\n<krabador> dpkg -l | grep firmware\n<xandrox_> krabador: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7487889/\n<krabador> xandrox_, sudo lshw -C network\n<krabador> sempre pastebin\n<krabador> scusa se puo' sembrare noioso\n<xandrox_> krabador: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7487908/ noioso imparo cose nuove può mai essere noioso??? ^_^\n<krabador> xandrox_, allora sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree\n<krabador> xandrox_, poi riavvia\n<Xandrox> krabador: ci risono\n<krabador> Xandrox, allora, sempre rfkill list\n<krabador> poi iwconfig\n<Xandrox> krabador: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7487945/\n<krabador> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan\n<Xandrox> krabador: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7487957/\n<krabador> Xandrox, verifica se non hai un tasto f con la funzione di disabilitazione e ablilitazione del wireless\n<krabador> Xandrox, spesso c'è una f, che in abbinamento con il tasto fn , ha questa funzione\n<krabador> se non hai un tasto fisico per il wireless\n<Xandrox> krabador: sisi ho il tasto fisico\n<Xandrox> krabador: ma resta arancione pure se lo pigio\n<krabador> Xandrox, sudo ip link set wlan0 up\n<krabador> rfkill list\n<Xandrox> krabador: tutto uguale\n<krabador> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan\n<krabador> anche questo ?\n<Xandrox> krabador: si\n<Xandrox> krabador: se può esserti utile quando si accende il pc la luce del tasto è blu poco dopo diventa arancio e si ferma così\n<krabador> Xandrox, dmesg | grep dmesg | grep\n<krabador> Xandrox, spetta\n<krabador> ho sbagliato\n<krabador> Xandrox, dmesg | grep iwl\n<Xandrox> krabador: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7488024/\n<krabador> Xandrox, allora\n<krabador> Xandrox, apri il terminale\n<krabador> Xandrox, premi una volta il tasto wireless, in maniera secca e decisa\n<krabador> Xandrox, e manda rfkill list\n<Xandrox> fatto uguale\n<krabador> Xandrox, ripremi un'altra volta , e rimanda rfkill list\n<Xandrox> nada\n<krabador> Xandrox, l'unica cosa che ti è rimasta da fare, se con l'interruttore hai questo discorso\n<krabador> Xandrox, è andare in bios\n<krabador> e resettare tutto\n<Xandrox> krabador: ok provo grazie mille\n<krabador> Xandrox, esegui un reset del bios\n<krabador> Xandrox, risetta poi il boot\n<krabador> correttamente\n<krabador> ricarica ubuntu\n<krabador> e vedi\n<krabador> hai win su questo computer?\n<Xandrox_> krabador: grande\n<Xandrox_> krabador: in quale piazza te la faccio sta statua !!!! grazie mille\n<krabador> :D\n<krabador> bene\n<Xandrox_> krabador: posso chederti un' altra cosa?\n<Xandrox_> krabador: su un altro pc\n<krabador> Xandrox_, chiedi\n<Xandrox_> è una workstatio hp xw4400 con installato win7 e ubuntu 14.04lts che non ne vuole di spegnersi\n<krabador> Xandrox_, apri il teriminale e vedi cosa dice sudo shutdown -h now\n<Xandrox_> krabador: lo monto e mi collego da quallo\n<xandroxone> krabador:\n<krabador> xandroxone, si\n<xandrox> krabador: eccomi\n<krabador> hai avuto modo di vedere cosa dice il comando?\n<xandrox> krabador: mount: / is busy\n<xandrox> *will now halt e resta cposì\n<xandrox> krabador: come faccio a copiarti quell' output\n<krabador> xandrox, a meno che tu non abbia fatto una foto, non puoi\n<xandrox> krabador: fatta ^^\n<krabador> xandrox, potrebbe , il supporto del kernel per l'hardware della workstation, non essere ottimale\n<xandrox> krabador: da quel che vedo ha un problema con modemmanager[626]\n<krabador> xandrox, hai grub in avvio?\n<xandrox> si\n<krabador> xandrox, quando si avvia, seleziona la prima linea in alto , premi il tasto \"e\" , a fianco a quiet splash, scrivi acpi=force premi poi il tasto f10\n<krabador> carichi\n<krabador> e spegni\n<krabador> per vedere cosa fa\n<xandrox> krabador: non c'è quiet splash l'ho tolto nei vari tentativi in rete\n<krabador> xandrox, ok, praticamente alla sua altezza\n<xandrox> krabador: non so dove aggiungerlo ...\n<xandrox> krabador: non mi fa aggiungere\n<brk> Ciao. ho un problema con le cuffie audio su ubuntu 12.0.4. Quando inserisco il jack si sente sia in cuffia che dal pc. Ho letto che il kernel 3.5.qualcosa risolve il problema, ma non lo posso installare perchè non vuole una cpu non-pae. Avete suggerimenti ?\n<flymilla> ciao a tutti! qualcuno mi può aiutare? voglio installare Linux ubuntu sul mio portatile ma non so come si fa :-( ho scaricato linux e dopo averlo copiato sudvd provo a lanciarlo ma mi continua a ripartire window 8!!!\n<remix_tj> flymilla: hai messo il file che hai scaricato in un dvd così com'è? hai sbagliato, dovresti masterizzare l'immagine\n<remix_tj> !iso | flymilla\n<ubot-it> flymilla: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviPartizioni/MasterizzareIso\n<remix_tj> qui ci sono tutte le istruzioni\n<flymilla> ok allora sicuramente è per quello!! grazie mille molto gentile\n<daniele_> ciao ragazzi, o creato un hotspot virtuale su ubuntu, adesso se creo una vpn sul pc dove ho creato il virtual hotspot verrà condivisa con tutti gli apparati che collego all'hotspot?\n<luigiDL> ciao\n<luigiDL> a tutti\n<luigiDL> c'è qualcuno in linea?\n<krabador> !qualcuno luigiDL\n<ubot-it> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)\n<krabador> !qualcuno | luigiDL\n<ubot-it> luigiDL: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<luigiDL> qualcuno puo' aiutarmi: ho un macbook pro 7.1 vorrei passare a xubuntu , sapreste dirmi che versione dovrei mettere ?\n<RedAaron> ciao\n<RedAaron> ho un problema con il mio netbook\n<RedAaron> ho provato ad installare tramite usb la versione 14.04 32bit\n<RedAaron> ma tramite il tool non è andata mai\n<RedAaron> dopodichè ho provato con un lettore dvd esterno ma non sembra finire l'installazione\n<krabador> RedAaron, lubuntu\n<krabador> RedAaron, è la piu' indicata per netbook\n<RedAaron> ho capito ma non mi fa proprio partire il boot da usb\n<krabador> RedAaron, come hai fatto la pendrive ?\n<RedAaron> con unetbootin\n<RedAaron> da la scarico la versione di lubuntu\n<krabador> RedAaron, hai solo win a disposizione per fare la pendrive?\n<RedAaron> ma non mi fa comunque andare\n<RedAaron> si ho solo windows\n<krabador> \"a la scarico la versione di lubuntu\" <---\n<krabador> ?\n<krabador> luigiDL, il mac è 2010 ?\n<RedAaron> da unetbootin riesco a scaricare direttamente la versione di lubuntu che carica direttamente sulla penna\n<krabador> RedAaron, scarica lubuntu dalla risorsa ufficiale\n<krabador> RedAaron, e non usare unetbootin\n<RedAaron> ed uso sempre unetbootin per fare la pendrive?\n<krabador> !usbwin | RedAaron\n<ubot-it> RedAaron: Scarica Universal USB Installer (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/) | Installalo su Windows e lancialo: lui si occuperà di trasferire l'immagine ISO su USB | Opzionalmente questo programma può anche scaricare lui stesso l'immagine ISO | Attenzione: il programma è in inglese\n<krabador> ma usa questo\n<RedAaron> ok\n<RedAaron> allora scarico dalla sorgente madre\n<RedAaron> e poi uso questo\n<RedAaron> speriamo funzioni perchè per ora ho il netbook in disuso\n<krabador> RedAaron, formatta per bene la pendrive,prima\n<RedAaron> fat 32\n<RedAaron> giusto?\n<RedAaron> allocazione da 16kb?\n<krabador> RedAaron, con cosa la stai formattando la pendrive?\n<RedAaron> formattatore di windows\n<Ozzyboshi> aridaglie\n<Ozzyboshi> krabador, ma allora ce l'hai con me\n<Ozzyboshi> si va nel canale delle dispute?\n<krabador> !chat | Ozzyboshi\n<ubot-it> Ozzyboshi: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Ozzyboshi> ascolta finiamo questa storia una volta per tutte\n<Ozzyboshi> ce l'hai con me?\n<krabador> !chat | Ozzyboshi\n<ubot-it> Ozzyboshi: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Ozzyboshi> che uomo che sei\n<Ozzyboshi> vergognoso\n<Ozzyboshi> mi fai pena\n<Ozzyboshi> proprio incoerente\n<Ozzyboshi> avrai 5 anni\n<Ozzyboshi> a dire tanto\n<krabador> Ozzyboshi, ma vergognati tu, ad entrare in risorse con regole, con il pieno intento di fare come ti pare senza rispettare i presenti\n<krabador> se vuoi anarchia\n<krabador> non sono queste le risorse giuste\n<Ozzyboshi> vai divertiti a bannare\n<krabador> Ozzyboshi, divertiti da qualche altra parte\n<Paradisee> what happen\n<krabador> Paradisee, certa gente finisce i farmaci , e accende il computer\n<Paradisee> brutta cosa la dipendenz\n<RedAaron> grazie per l'aiuto comunque\n<Simone> Ciao, qualcuno mi può aiutare? Ho installato Lubuntu 14 un un laptop, non riesco a vedere i video sia da lettore multimediale sia dal web con FF, ho flash attivo, ma niente da fare. E' un problema facile da risolvere? Spiegatevi in modo semplice perché sono nuovo di linux. Grazie\n<krabador> Simone, cat /proc/cpuinfo\n<krabador> !pastebin | Simone\n<ubot-it> Simone: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Simone> ti serve qualche dato in particolare\n<krabador> Simone, quello che ti ho mandato, è un comando, da mandare con il terminale\n<krabador> Simone, il suo risultato , lo copi ed incolli nel sito segnalato, ed incolli qui il link risultante\n<Simone> ok fatto, ma quale dati ti serve, perché sto lavorando da un altro pc.\n<krabador> Simone, è meglio che entri qui con quel pc\n<Simone> Ok datemi un attimo che mi ricollego\n<Simone> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 \t Questi i dati: Processor: 0processor\t: 0 vendor_id\t: GenuineIntel cpu family\t: 6 model\t\t: 11 model name\t: Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) III CPU - M 1200MHz stepping\t: 4 microcode\t: 0x2 cpu MHz\t\t: 798.000 cache size\t: 512 KB physical id\t: 0 siblings\t: 1 core id\t\t: 0 cpu cores\t: 1 apicid\t\t: 0 initial apicid\t: 0 fdiv_bug\t: no f00f_bug\t: no coma_bu\n<krabador> Simone, usa il pastebin\n<Simone> quello che ho fatto, però\n<krabador> !pastebin | Simone\n<ubot-it> Simone: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Simone> ragazzi è troppo un casino i dati ci sono\n<krabador> Simone, non ci sono tutti, e pastebin è semplicissimo da usare\n<krabador> Simone, apri il browser\n<krabador> vai qui http://paste.ubuntu.com/\n<krabador> incolli il contenuto che ti ha dato il terminale\n<krabador> nello spazio all'interno\n<krabador> metti un nick\n<krabador> clicchi paste\n<krabador> e il link che ti appare sulla barra, dopo aver premuto paste\n<krabador> lo incolli qui\n<Simone> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7489821/\n<krabador> Simone, la cpu non ha la flag sse2\n<krabador> quindi flash non è compatibile\n<krabador> va installata l'ultima versione compatibile\n<krabador> Simone, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50758594/libflashplayer.so\n<krabador> scarica questo\n<spartacus_72> sera\n<Simone> krabador mi è partita la connessione mi avevi risposto non ho visto\n<krabador> Simone, allora\n<krabador> Simone, la cpu non ha la flag sse2\n<krabador> quindi flash non è compatibile\n<krabador> va installata l'ultima versione compatibile\n<krabador> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50758594/libflashplayer.so\n<krabador> scarica questo\n<krabador> Simone, e va messa nella cartella attuale di flash\n<krabador> Simone, quanta ram , e che scheda video hai?\n<Simone> 1giga di ram e la scheda video Intel 830M UMA\n<krabador> Simone, lubuntu è drasticamente piu' indicata\n<krabador> www.lubuntu.net\n<Simone> in che senso, sto già usando lubuntu\n<krabador> ah, ok\n<Simone> sto scaricando quello che mi hai detto dovo trovo la cartella \"flash\"?\n<Paradisee> krabador: spesso e volentieri ricevo un errore da terminale, quando torno nel manger login, per caso sai come riesco a vedere i log?\n<krabador> Simone, apri il terminale\n<Simone> l'ho scaricata e mò che faccio? dove strovo la cartella?\n<Simone> ok\n<krabador> Simone, dove hai scaricato il file?\n<Simone> nella cartella dei file scaricati\n<krabador> Simone, allora cd Scaricati\n<Simone> come comando terminale?\n<krabador> Simone, si\n<krabador> ci sei ?\n<Simone> devo digitare cd Scaricati?\n<krabador> Simone, si\n<Simone> ok, poi?\n<krabador> Simone, sudo cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer\n<krabador> Simone, poi pastebin\n<Simone> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7490036\n<krabador> Simone, chiudi e riapri firefox\n<Simone> poi devo fare la login di nuovo, a dopo\n<krabador> Simone, prova il flash\n<Simone> ok krabador ci sono\n<ufalc> Krabadorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr\n<ufalc> ci sei?\n<brk> ciao. su ubuntu 12.0.4 se collego le cuffie audio si sente in cuffia ma si sente anche dal pc. Qualcuno ha idea di come fare in modo che il suono esca solo in cuffia ?\n<krabador> ufalc, wei\n<ufalc> amico mio\n<krabador> ufalc, che succede\n<ufalc> tutto bene\n<Simone> mi dice la striscia in alto che l'esecuz. del plugin obsoleto adobe flash è stato bloccato sulla chat da firefox, devo continuare o attivo?\n<ufalc> ho istallato ubuntu\n<krabador> ufalc, bene\n<ufalc> si poi sono rientrato per dirtelo, ma eri andato via volevo ringraziarti\n<krabador> Simone, digli di usarlo\n<ufalc> sei stato un mito\n<krabador> :D\n<krabador> ufalc, mi fa piacere\n<ufalc> si ho avuto qualche problemino.. con la tastiera, la web cam ma ho risolto tutto\n<krabador> ufalc, come ti trovi ?\n<krabador> ok\n<ufalc> lúnica cosa che non riesco a fare e copiare le foto con il bluetooth, quando eseguo lóperazione mi da un errore\n<ufalc> i dispositivi sono collegati\n<ufalc> ma non so\n<krabador> ufalc, sono perfettamente parificati i dispositivi?\n<ufalc> entro nel cel, da esplora... vedo le foto, la copia e mi da lérrore\n<krabador> ufalc, hai provato dal pc al telefono ?\n<ufalc> si dal pc al telefono, entro in esplora file, vedo le foto, le trascino o le copio e mi da l´errore\n<krabador> ufalc, ok, dal pc al telefono hai provato?\n<krabador> il contrario\n<krabador> scusami\n<krabador> dal telefono al pc , hai provato?\n<Simone> Ok krabador, sembra che funzioni, mi dice che è obsoleto...ho censentito sempre .... ma poi questo mi servirà anche per i Dvd e Divx?\n<krabador> Simone, no\n<krabador> Simone, per quello installa vlc\n<krabador> e fa tutto lui\n<ufalc> dal telefono quando cerco di inviare la foto mi dice che non si puo connettere, ma dal pc io vedo il telefono e ci entro dentro\n<krabador> Simone, sudo apt-get install vlc\n<Simone> mi dava problemi anche quello\n<krabador> Simone, è obsoleto , perchè è una versione di diverso tempo fa di flash, ma è l'ultima che va col tuo processore\n<krabador> firefox dall'ultima versione , te la segnala, fino alla penultima non ti diceva nulla\n<krabador> Simone, che tipo di problemi?\n<Simone> sul lettore video? avevo l'audio ma non il video\n<ufalc> dal telefono quando cerco di inviare la foto mi dice che non si puo connettere, ma dal pc io vedo il telefono e ci entro dentro\n<Simone> ma dal Gestore a pacchetti non risulta \"libflashplayer.so\", posso spostarlo o cancellarlo dagli scaricati? Non dovrà essere aggiornato, vero?\n<krabador> Simone, no\n<krabador> ufalc, posta l'errore\n<krabador> !pastebin | ufalc\n<ubot-it> ufalc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<krabador> posta l'errore che ti da quando provi a fare i trasferimenti\n<Simone> no, cosa, in che senso?\n<krabador> no, non deve essere aggiornato\n<Simone> il file devo lasciarlo in quella cartella?\n<ufalc> si é verificato un errore nel copiare il file all´interno di home falco scrivania\n<krabador> Simone, quello che hai scaricato, tienitelo, in caso di reinstallazione\n<krabador> Simone, dpkg -l | grep gstreamer\n<krabador> Simone, pastebin\n<brk> Ciao. qualcuno mmi può aiutare a risolvere il problema audio ?\n<krabador> brk, se il kernel non la supporta a dovere, sono questi gli inconvenienti\n<krabador> brk, sudo lshw -C audio\n<krabador> brk, aplay -l\n<krabador> !pastebin | brk\n<ubot-it> brk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<brk> ecco krabador\n<brk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7490192/\n<krabador> brk, http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?t=393126\n<krabador> brk, http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=393126&sid=f165bcd6ee40ed94613885dc02e705fd&start=20#p3061872\n<Simone> Kabador, il file scaricato devo lascirlo lì, o posso spostarlo?\n<krabador> krabador, puoi anche cancellarlo, ma ti consiglio ti tenerlo , per quando reintsallerai\n<Simone> questo andrà file bene anche per Chromim o Chromo?\n<krabador> Simone, no\n<krabador> chromium/chrome ha il suo interno\n<krabador> Simone, che ha smesso anche lui di supportare cpu senza flag sse2\n<Simone> quindi\n<Simone> potrei aver qualche problema\n<Simone> che ne dici?\n<Simone> grazie, comunque, alla prossima\n<brk> grazie krabador. sul forum che mi hai indicato ho trovato la soluzione :-)\n<krabador> brk, :D\n<brk> le sai tutte...\n<krabador> si fa quel che si puo'\n<quelmarco> Buona sera a tutti\n<krabador> quelmarco, salve\n<quelmarco> ciao krabador !\n<krabador> salve quelmarco\n<quelmarco> come va?\n<krabador> benvenuto nel canale ufficiale italiano di supporto di ubuntu\n<quelmarco> grazie mille! è il mio primo accesso qui!\n<vice_> hola\n<vice_> sto usando chrome e non mi fa scaricare un file pdf, apro firefox è lo scarica tranquillamente.... mi kiedo ma chrome su ubuntu ha qualche problema?\n<vice_> un altro esempio con chrome non si riesce a giocare con i doodle di google\n<jester-> vice_: se non va un cavallo usa l'altro, dove sta il problema\n<vice_> si tranquillo che faccio cosi... ma è un peccato ...parliamo di google che non dedica tempo a ubuntu\n<jester-> vice_: google ha solo la marca famosa\n<vice_> io in w7 usavo chrome è mi trovavo benissimo\n<vice_> usavo firefox e lo cambiai con chrome\n<Joshua^Dunamis> vice_: ok e qui magari fai al contrario\n<jester-> e siccome linux desktop è circa lo 0,5% del mercato e ubuntu è una parte dello 0,5% che cambia ogni sei mesi spendere per 4 gatti non conviene\n<jester-> fino a quando ci saranno compaglie come mozilla hp nvidia e pochi altri che forniscono supporto va ancora abene\n<vice_> si, pensandoci hai ragione.... ci si accontenta\n<Joshua^Dunamis> vice_: chrome è un browser della google, se ha problemi su Ubuntu non è Ubuntu il responsabile. Quanti programmi vengono fatti per windows che poi hanno problemi? Cioè non è che appena qualcosa non va è colpa del sistema operativo. A volte i programmi vengono scritti male e vanno migliorati\n<jester-> cromo non è che sia poi sto granche\n<vice_> Joshua^Dunamis alt qui nessuno accusa un problema ad ubuntu\n<jester-> se volevi infettarti su facebook con trojan dovevi usare cromo\n<jester-> ma siccome ha un brand è buono a prescindere\n<Joshua^Dunamis> perfetto, io poi ho sempre preferito Firefox a Chrome. Premetto che da anni non uso Sistemi Operativi diversi da GNU/Linux, se non saltuariamente qualche pc di amici\n<vice_> di solito si cerca di usare il browser che al momento sia abbastanza veloce e funzionale\n<jester-> vice_: ad aprire impiega quanto ff e se hai una banda adsl del cazzo sicuramente non la migliora\n<Joshua^Dunamis> e con Firefox mi trovo mooolto bene, quando mi tocca usare Chrome su qualche pc o Notebook con Windows non mi piace granché a livello prestazionale, ma... de gustibus\n<jester-> Joshua^Dunamis: quoto\n<vice_> mi spiegte x ke arrivano questi messaggi in chat\n<vice_> randomcpp [~gcollura@host167-220-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit\n<vice_> è quando entra un nuovo utente?\n<Joshua^Dunamis> vice_: sono messaggi del server che indicano ad esempio che l'utente randomcpp è uscito in questo caso, oppure se è entrato (has joined)\n<jester-> o che h a cambiato nick o che andato away\n<vice_> gcollura@host167\n<vice_> è il nome?\n<jester-> è il nome dell'host\n<vice_> che viene preso dal nome pc?\n<jester-> dal nick\n<vice_> ok , cioe quello che scrivi nel login della chat?\n<jester-> quando entri nel server freenode ti assegna un nome host\n<vice_> quindi è casuale?\n<jester-> comprende un nome l'ip e il provider\n<jester-> vice_: tu usi la webchat ma il tuo ip c'è 82.55.174.83\n<vice_> si ma il nome?\n<jester-> il nome solitamente lo ricava dal nick\n<vice_> ok coincidenze :)\n<Joshua^Dunamis> stiamo andando off topic, vi è sicuramente un canale apposito per fare domande tecniche sulla IRC Chat\n<jester-> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<jester-> ma non c'è traffico facciamo eccezione\n<vice_> ok pensavo ke vi annoiavate... vado nella chat libera se vi sentite soli chiamate che ritorno.... un bacio :)\n<Joshua^Dunamis> si certo ma il canale viene logato, cioè per chi cerca info tecniche riguardo ubuntu\n<Joshua^Dunamis> vice_: io sto su entrambi i canali ;)\n<krabador> Joshua^Dunamis, ah si?\n<jester-> viene logato solo -it tutela di tutti\n<jester-> di chi chiede e di chi aiuta\n<Joshua^Dunamis> krabador: ti riferisci al log? Si, viene logato appunto per permettere a chiunque di rivedere le discussioni\n<krabador> Joshua^Dunamis, utile\n<Joshua^Dunamis> krabador: si\n<sonoio> c'è qualcuno?\n<krabador> sonoio, chiedi\n<sonoio> un informazione qual'è la versione migliofre da usare su un portatile'\n<sonoio> grazie krabador\n<krabador> sonne, che caratteristiche ha questo portatile?\n<sonoio> 64 bit\n<sonoio> 4 giga di ram\n<sonoio> vuoi sapere altro?\n<krabador> sonoio, che processore, e scheda grafica, di preciso?\n<sonoio> aspetta\n<sonoio> nn so,devo guardarci\n<krabador> sonoio, che os stai usando?\n<sonoio> un toshiba\n<sonoio> c 50\n<krabador> sonoio, che sistema operativo stai usando?\n<sonoio> windows 8\n<sonoio> c sei?\n<krabador> puoi usare anche la verisione normale\n<sonoio> cioè quale?\n<sonoio> che è sta roba?\n<sonoio> ah ok :9 grazie\n<Joshua^Dunamis> sonoio: puoi installare anche Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, poi secondo i tuoi gusti c'è Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 LTS o Kubuntu 14.04 LTS\n<Joshua^Dunamis> cambia il Desktop Environment, Ubuntu usa Unity, Ubuntu GNOME usa Gnome, Kubuntu usa KDE\n<sonoio> in che senso secondo i miei gusti?\n<krabador> sonoio, http://www.ubuntu-it.org/derivate\n<krabador> dai uno sguardo\n#ubuntu-it 2014-05-20\n<sonoio> caspita....grazie krabador gentilissimo e informatissimo\n<sonoio> :)\n<krabador> :D\n<sonoio> buonanotte egrazie :)\n<katymerlin> non riesco a disinstallare playonelinux\n<ExPBoy> !info palyonelinux\n<ubot-it> Package palyonelinux does not exist in saucy\n<ExPBoy> !info playonelinux\n<ubot-it> Package playonelinux does not exist in saucy\n<ExPBoy> katymerlin: e come l'hai installato?\n<katymerlin> lo installato da soft center\n<ExPBoy> che versione di ubuntu hai?\n<ExPBoy> !info playonlinux\n<ubot-it> playonlinux (source: playonlinux): front-end for Wine. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 4.2.1-1 (saucy), package size 1578 kB, installed size 3954 kB\n<ExPBoy> in ogni caso se vai sul software center lo trovi e puoi disinstallarlo oppure da terminale apt-get remove playonlinux\n<katymerlin> 12.04\n<ExPBoy> vecchiotto\n<ExPBoy> comunque è uguale\n<katymerlin> Operazione di pacchetto non riuscita Installazione o la rimozione di un pacchetto software non riuscita\n<katymerlin> non me lo ha disinstallato\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<ExPBoy> katymerlin: fai vedere tutto anche il comando in pastebin\n<ExPBoy> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<katymerlin> cosa devo inviarti\n<ExPBoy> l'output del terminale\n<katymerlin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7491970/\n<ExPBoy> katymerlin: devi usare sudo davanti al comando\n<ExPBoy> sudo apt-get remove playonlinux\n<ExPBoy> poi metti la tua password (anche se non la vedi)\n<katymerlin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7491981/\n<Riccardone> katymerlin: la S è maiuscola ...\n<Riccardone> oppure dai invio senza scrivere 's' ...\n<ExPBoy> Riccardone: non penso sia quello il problema\n<Riccardone> ExPBoy: provando con dpkg --purge che succede ?\n<ExPBoy> mha\n<katymerlin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7492004/\n<jester-> katymerlin: hai zompato playonlinux\n<katymerlin> cosa intendi\n<jester-> se non gli dici cosa purgare rimani a farsi le pippe lunghe lunghe\n<jester-> katymerlin: sudo dpkg --purge playonlinux\n<jester-> loggico no?\n<katymerlin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7492019/\n<jester-> è tutto incasinato comincia a dare sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade che hai 250 pacchetti di arretrati\n<Riccardone> poi anche sudo apt-get clean && apt-get autoclean per ripulire la cache ...\n<flymilla> buongiorno a tutti. ho installato ieri linux ubuntu e volevo chiedere come si fa per installare i programmi? ho scaricato open office ma non riesco a installarlo... grazie\n<jester-> flymilla: c'è libreoffice di serie\n<jester-> flymilla: e c'è il software center per il resto\n<katymerlin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7492085/\n<jester-> katymerlin: sudo dpkg --configure -a\n<jester-> katymerlin: e chiudi il sotware center\n<flymilla> sono andata nel software center ma per esempio open office non me lo trova...pensavo fosse un programma di linux...quindi i programmi che non sono nel software center non sono installabili? perdonami ma per me è un mondo nuovo linux!\n<jester-> flymilla: c'è gia libreoffice installato di serie che è uguale\n<jester-> guarda nel menu ufficio\n<jester-> o clicca il ogo in cima alla barra e poi scrivi libre nella ricerca\n<flymilla> ah ok..\n<flymilla> sapete anche se esiste samsung kies (programma x smartphone samsung) per linux?\n<jester-> flymilla: non esiste e non esistono o quasi drivers dedicati per cellofoni\n<flymilla> :-(\n<katymerlin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7492088/\n<jester-> katymerlin: sudo apt-get upgrade\n<zio> buongiorno, qualcuno mi aiuta d installare un pacchetto fempero.pl ?ricevo questo mess di errore :La stampante «KONICA-MINOLTA-C203-C253-C353» richiede il pacchetto «/usr/lib/cups/filter/femperonpsc250mu.pl» che non risulta al momento installato. Installare tale pacchetto prima di utilizzare questa stampante.\n<jester-> zio: fempero.pl sarebbe?\n<zio> ops, buon giorno, qualcuno mi aiuta con il messaggio precedente ...ho incollato il mess ma ha inviato solo quello che avevo incollato\n<zio> ho installato una stampante konica c353 ma NON STAMPA\n<jester-> zio: fempero.pl sarebbe?\n<zio> fempero\n<zio> è un pacchetto dentro il minidrive scaricato dal sito\n<jester-> cioè?\n<jester-> è qualcosa in perl cosa dovrebbe fare\n<zio> si\n<zio> il mio problema è far stampare una konica c353\n<zio> posso mettere il link del sito ?\n<zio> konica\n<zio> dal quale ho scaricato il minidrive ?\n<zio> oppure se avete soluzioni migliori mi aiutate ?\n<jester-> zio: eh ma se hai preso dal sito ci saranno le istruzioni per installare il driver\n<zio> per install.ph\n<zio> di questo fempero nonn dice nulla\n<zio> ma il pacchetto esiste\n<zio> nella cartella estratta\n<jester-> zio: il driver lo installi eseguendo install.sh\n<jester-> dovrebbe installare il necessario\n<zio> no, install.pl\n<jester-> sempre che sia poi compatibile\n<zio> nelle dir di cups\n<jester-> zio: c'è sicuramente file readme e install\n<jester-> con dentro le istruzioni\n<zio> si, in inglese penso che install.pl sia andato a buon fine, il problema è fempero\n<jester-> madu\n<jester-> ma le hai lette le istro?\n<zio> si\n<zio> in inglese\n<jester-> bè?\n<jester-> cosa dicono\n<zio> cups mi da la 353 fornendo il ppd ma mi chiede fempero\n<zio> richiede il pacchetto «/usr/lib/cups/filter/femperonpsc250mu.pl» che non risulta al momento installato.\n<jester-> zio: incolla le istruzioni nel pastebin\n<jester-> !paste | zio\n<ubot-it> zio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<zio> asp\n<zio> jester-, è un pdf\n<zio> ci sto provando\n<jester-> dammi il link al download del driver\n<zio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7492177/\n<zio> http://www.konicaminolta.co.uk/business-solutions/support/download-center/download-result.html?packageId=33627&productName=bizhub%20C353\n<jester-> zio: hai eseguito ./install.pl dentro alla cartella ?\n<zio> si\n<zio> nella dir\n<jester-> ha instalalto ?\n<zio> non so, mi ha detto che la dir esisteva\n<zio> lo facciamo insieme ?\n<jester-> zio: chmod +x install.pl\n<jester-> zio: sudo ./install.pl\n<jester-> zio: sudo service cups restart\n<zio> jester-, Installation procedure for Konica Minolta drivers is starting.\n<zio> No such file:\n<zio> usage:\t install [CUPS configuration file]\n<zio> Exiting\n<jester-> zio: come si chiama la certella contenete i driver e dove ce l'hai\n<zio> nella home dbhc203psc200en\n<zio> ho dato prima cd dbhc203psc200en\n<jester-> zio: sudo ./install.pl /etc/cups\n<zio> Installation procedure for Konica Minolta drivers is starting.\n<zio> No such file:\n<zio> usage:\t install [CUPS configuration file]\n<zio> Exiting\n<jester-> zio: sudo ./install.pl /etc/cups/cups.conf\n<zio> Installation procedure for Konica Minolta drivers is starting.\n<zio> No such file: /etc/cups/cups.conf\n<zio> usage:\t install [CUPS configuration file]\n<zio> Exiting\n<jester-> zio: sudo ./install /etc/cups/cups.conf\n<zio> Installation procedure for Konica Minolta drivers is starting.\n<zio> No such file: /etc/cups/cups.conf\n<zio> usage:\t install [CUPS configuration file]\n<zio> Exiting\n<zio> mancava il .pl l'ho messo io\n<jester-> non metterlo\n<zio> mi aveva dato command not found\n<zio> sudo: ./install: command not found\n<jester-> zio: ls /etc/cups\n<jester-> zio: sudo ./install /etc/cups/cupsd.conf\n<jester-> zio: sudo ./install.pl /etc/cups/cupsd.conf\n<zio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7492216/\n<zio> sudo: ./install: command not found\n<jester-> zio: sudo ./install.pl /etc/cups/cupsd.conf\n<zio> scusa, ho visto ora\n<zio> ~/dbhc203psc200en$ sudo ./install.pl /etc/cups/cupsd.conf\n<zio> Installation procedure for Konica Minolta drivers is starting.\n<zio> No such file:\n<zio> usage:\t install [CUPS configuration file]\n<zio> Exiting\n<jester-> zio: riscompatta la tar e rifai\n<zio> jester-, rieccomi\n<zio> ho fatto con estrai qui\n<zio> jester-, può essere che dobbiamo installare dove dice che manca fempero ?\n<zio> in /usr/lib/cups/filter/femperonpsc250mu.pl ...cosa ne pensi ?\n<jester-> zio: il cupsd.conf sta un /etc/cups ma non lo trova\n<jester-> quindi non puo leggere le informazioni\n<jester-> e ciò è strano\n<zio> in principio parla del terminale di kde ? c'è differenza nelle dir con unity ?\n<jester-> quindi rientra nella cartella e dai sudo install.pl /etc/cups/cupsd.conf\n<zio> ~/dbhc203psc200en$ sudo install.pl /etc/cups/cupsd.conf\n<zio> sudo: install.pl: command not found\n<jester-> quindi rientra nella cartella e dai sudo ./install.pl /etc/cups/cupsd.conf\n<zio> Installation procedure for Konica Minolta drivers is starting.\n<zio> No such file:\n<zio> usage:\t install [CUPS configuration file]\n<zio> Exiting\n<jester-> quindi rientra nella cartella e dai sudo ./install.pl /etc/cups/cupsd.conf.default\n<zio> No such file: /etc/cups/cupsd.conf.default\n<jester-> quindi rientra nella cartella e dai sudo ./install.pl install /etc/cups/cupsd.conf\n<zio> No such file: install\n<zio> usage:\t install [CUPS configuration file]\n<zio> Exiting\n<jester-> è bacato\n<jester-> bisogna fare in manuale\n<jester-> segui la parte installazione manuale\n<zio> e quindi ?\n<jester-> il path è giusto ma continua a dire che non lo trova\n<zio> proviamo a estrarre il file con tar -xvzf ? ti mando la procedura asci ?\n<zio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7492283/\n<jester-> ./install.pl /here/and/there/cupsd.conf\n<jester-> quindi sudo ./install.pl /etc/cups/cupsd.conf\n<zio> e quindi ?\n<jester-> quindi non si capisce perchè non esegue ridalli il download che lo scarico\n<zio> jester-, mi puoi aiutare a scegliere il drive corretto dal sito ?\n<zio> http://www.konicaminolta.co.uk/business-solutions/support/download-center/download-result.html?packageId=38861&productName=bizhub%20C353\n<jester-> zio: modello?\n<zio> c353\n<jester-> zio: multifunzione?\n<zio> si\n<zio> bizhub c353\n<jester-> manda a questa pagina ma sotto alla licenza il c353 non la vedo\n<jester-> http://www.konicaminolta.co.uk/business-solutions/support/download-center/download-result.html?packageId=38861&productName=bizhub%20C353\n<zio> dal leggimi dovrebbe essere il c 362\n<jester-> zio: contiene solo i ppd\n<zio> lo so\n<Xandrox> ciao a tutti\n<Xandrox> qualcuno mi aiuta a risolvere un problema di spegnimento su una workstation xw4400\n<zio> jester-, il kmpu18 cos'è ?\n<jester-> zio: prova a copiare il file in estratto in /etc/cups/ppd\n<zio> di cosa ?\n<jester-> hai preso 362UnixPPD.zip?\n<zio> lo avevo preso prima ma poi ho scaricato il minidrive perchè non riuscivo a farlo andare, lo riscarico\n<zio> jester-, l'ho estratto\n<zio> ed in Scaricati\n<jester-> si ma non è per la 35\n<zio> si\n<zio> :(\n<jester-> scarica kmpu18.zip\n<jester-> c'è il deb debian\n<jester-> ma dice che serve il ppd per la 251\n<jester-> 351\n<jester-> che non vedo\n<zio> e quindi install il db e usiamo il ppd del minidrive gira ?\n<Xandrox> help pls errore shutdown ubuntu 14.04lts\n<jester-> zio: hai il ppd per la 351?\n<jester-> zio: installa il deb debian e poi\n<jester-> cp <ppd-file> /etc/lp/ppd\n<jester-> \tchown daemon /etc/lp/ppd/<ppd-file>\n<jester-> \tchgrp lp /etc/lp/ppd/<ppd-file>\n<jester-> \tchmod 444 /etp/ppd/<ppd-file>\n<jester-> zio: installa anche lpr\n<jester-> prima di tutti\n<zio> scusami\n<zio> mi guidi tu ?\n<zio> dov'è lpr ?\n<jester-> zio: sudo apt-get install lpr\n<zio> tolgo cups bsd ? ho altre stampanti nel pc ?\n<jester-> zio:no\n<zio> quindi non installo lpr ?\n<jester-> zio: cd kmpu18/\n<zio> ~$ cd kmpu18/\n<zio> bash: cd: kmpu18/: File o directory non esistente\n<zio> ok, ho spostato la cartella\n<zio> -Name:~/kmpu18$\n<jester-> zio: hai scompattato lo zip nella home?\n<zio> si\n<jester-> allora c'è la cartella kmpu18\n<zio> l'ho scompattata in scaricati e adesso l'ho trasferita nella home, si che c'è\n<jester-> cd kmpu18\n<zio> ok\n<jester-> sudo apt-get install kmpu1.8-debian-intel.deb\n<zio> Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto\n<jester-> zio: spe\n<jester-> zio: ho cannato il comando\n<zio> ok\n<jester-> sudo dpkg -i kmpu1.8-debian-intel.deb\n<zio> jester-, fatto\n<jester-> zio: errori?\n<zio> nessuno, Configurazione di kmpu (1.8)...\n<zio> Processing triggers for man-db (2.6.7.1-1) ...\n<zio> nessun errore\n<jester-> zio: adesso copia il ppd 351 in /etc/lp/ppd\n<zio> come root ?\n<jester-> si\n<jester-> poi\n<jester-> hown daemon /etc/lp/ppd/<ppd-file>\n<jester-> \tchgrp lp /etc/lp/ppd/<ppd-file>\n<jester-> \tchmod 444 /etc/lp/ppd/<ppd-file>\n<zio> scusa ma dove trovo il ppd 351 ?\n<jester-> <ppd-file>=nomedelfile\n<jester-> zio: hai detto di averlo nel minidriver\n<jester-> zio: KOC351U.ppd\n<zio> il ppd nel minidriver è pbhc203psc200en.ppd\n<zio> oppure il 362 KO362U.ppd\n<jester-> il readme dice <ppd-file>\n<zio> non ho il 351\n<jester-> KOC351U.ppd\n<zio> lo vado a cercare\n<jester-> eh\n<jester-> KOC351U.ppd bizhub C351\n<jester-> zio: prova un po a riavviare a vedere se per caso la stante c'è intallandola\n<zio> riavvio il pc\n<zio> ho installato solo il deb\n<zio> riavvio ?\n<jester-> zio: dovrebbe essere a posto\n<jester-> sto guardando nel deb e c'è tutto\n<zio> riavvio ?\n<jester-> zio: sudo service cups restart\n<jester-> c'è tutto dentro al deb\n<zio> ho installato come c351 mi da in attesa che la stampante finisca\n<jester-> è accesa?\n<zio> si lampeggia per la ricezione dei dati ma è bloccata a lampeggiare\n<jester-> riavvia\n<zio> ok\n<zio> a dopo\n<Xandrox> errore shutdown qualcuno può aiutarmi per favore?\n<jester-> Xandrox: cioè?\n<Xandrox> il pc non si spegne\n<jester-> appena installato ?\n<Xandrox> si è pulito ma gia sarà una settimana che ci sbatto la testa e cerco in giro\n<zio> jester-, nulla, lampeggia e ubuntu dice in attesa che la stampante finisca\n<jester-> Xandrox: terminale\n<jester-> Xandrox: sudo halt\n<jester-> zio: sudo apt-get -f install\n<Xandrox> jester-: ti posto la foto?\n<jester-> Xandrox: yess\n<zio> 0 aggiornati, 0 installati, 0 da rimuovere e 37 non aggiornati.\n<jester-> zio: il driver è installato visto che la stampante è in lista\n<jester-> mi sa che è farlocco per la 14.04\n<zio> la stampante non è in lista, io ho la c353\n<zio> ma trovo la 351 o 352\n<jester-> allora devi trovare il ppd èer la 353\n<jester-> e copiarlo in /etc/lp/ppd\n<zio> che dovrebbe essereKO362U.ppd e dopo che lo copio ? perchè se lo faccio da installazione stampante si blocca\n<zio> se fornisco questo ppd durante l'installazione si blocca e non lo prende\n<zio> fatto, copiato ein etc/lp/ppd\n<zio> e adesso ?\n<jester-> zio: http://chomikuj.pl/mahmah832/System32/DriverStore/FileRepository/prnkm002.inf_amd64_neutral_7c42808e24ebff99/Amd64/KOC353U,2320316297.PPD\n<jester-> zio: sudo service cups restart\n<zio> prima di dare questo ppd ?\n<zio> elimino la stampante\n<jester-> dopo averlo copiato\n<jester-> elimina e reinstalla\n<Xandrox> jester-: http://i57.tinypic.com/rml8g0.jpg\n<jester-> Xandrox: e sta li a puppare?\n<Xandrox> si\n<zio> jester-, sempre in attesa che la stampante finisca\n<jester-> Xandrox: prova a ravvire,al menu pigi il tasto e\n<jester-> zio: riavvia\n<zio> ok\n<Xandrox> jester-: ci sono\n<jester-> Xandrox: cerchi la riga con quiet splash dopo splash lasci uno spazio e scrivi; acpi=force F10 per il boot\n<jester-> Xandrox: poi provi a spegnere se funza si rende definitivo\n<Xandrox> se non ci fosse la riga con quiet splash?\n<ExPBoy> ?\n<jester-> c'è per forza\n<ExPBoy> se non c'è non usi ubuntu\n<ExPBoy> :)\n<jester-> se non c'è non è normale\n<zio> jester-, rieccomi\n<zio> in attesa che la stampante finisca\n<jester-> zio: adesso risulta la stampante in lista\n<jester-> ?\n<zio> no\n<Xandrox> jester-: http://i58.tinypic.com/2nuuog8.jpg\n<jester-> zio: hai copiato il pdd in /etc/lp/pdd\n<zio> lo copio\n<jester-> e minchia\n<ExPBoy> lol\n<Xandrox> lol\n<jester-> Xandrox: facciamo finta che è ubuntu, scrivi dopo ro\n<jester-> riga linux\n<zio> lol ;copiato\n<zio> riavvio ?\n<jester-> zio: si alla winzoz\n<Xandrox> jester-: scrivo solo acpi=force ?\n<zio> ok\n<jester-> si\n<Xandrox> jester-: ora è acceso provo a spegnere normalemtne?\n<jester-> Xandrox: prova\n<Xandrox> jester-: uguale\n<jester-> Xandrox: è la scheda madre che ha ACPI non linux digeribile\n<Xandrox> jester-: qiundi no c'è soluzione mi sa :(\n<jester-> Xandrox: che pc è\n<Xandrox> workstatio hp xw4400\n<zio> jester-, riavviato ma la c353 non è in elenco\n<Xandrox> jester-: provo a reistallare?\n<jester-> zio: file copiato?\n<zio> si\n<jester-> nome?\n<zio> KOC353U.PPD\n<jester-> zio: ls /etc/lp/KOC353U.PPD\n<zio> impossibile accedere a /etc/lp/KOC353U.PPD: File o directory non esistente\n<jester-> zio: anzi fa vedere ls /etc/lp/ppd\n<zio> ci sono un bel pò\n<jester-> metti nel paste\n<jester-> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<zio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7492601/\n<jester-> zio: non hai copiato tutto\n<zio> controllo\n<zio> 24 a terminale\n<jester-> copia tutto\n<zio> sono tutti\n<jester-> nel paste ne vedo 4\n<ExPBoy> jester-: no sono 24\n<ExPBoy> ricarica la pag\n<jester-> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7492601/\n<jester-> quanti ne vedi\n<ExPBoy> 24\n<jester-> sempre quaccio ne vedo\n<ExPBoy> spe ti copio di la\n<zio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7492605/\n<jester-> zio: nada in lista vedi KOC353U.PPD?\n<zio> si\n<jester-> zio: tolta e reinstallato la stampante?\n<zio> è sotto a KOC353U.ppd\n<zio> si\n<zio> installata no perchè mi sono fermato nella scelta\n<zio> non c'è la 353\n<jester-> zio: devi toglirla e reinstallarla\n<zio> quale installo ?\n<zio> visto che la 353 non è in elenco ?\n<jester-> zio: wget https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/501061/KOC353U.PPD\n<jester-> zio: sudo cp KOC353U.PPD /etc/lp/ppd\n<jester-> zio: sudo service cups restart\n<jester-> zio: sudo chown daemon /etc/lp/ppd/KOC353U.PPD\n<jester-> zio: chgrp lp /etc/lp/ppd/KOC353U.PPD\n<zio> /etc/lp/ppd/KOC353U.PPD\": Operazione non permessa\n<jester-> zio chmod 444 /etc/lp/ppd/KOC353U.PPD\n<zio> non carica il gruppo\n<jester-> zio: sempre con sudo prima\n<zio> sudo chgrp lp /etc/lp/ppd/KOC353U.PPD ?\n<jester-> si\n<zio> ok\n<zio> adesso ?\n<jester-> zio: sudo service cups restart\n<ExPBoy> (speriamo sia la volta buona)\n<zio> chmod 444 /etc/lp/ppd/KOC353U.PPD .. questo non più ?\n<zio> con sudo ?\n<jester-> zio: anche\n<jester-> sempre sudo\n<zio> installo la stampante ?\n<jester-> sudo service cups restart prima\n<zio> fatto\n<jester-> vedi se mo c'è\n<zio> non c'è\n<jester-> zio: sudo chown daemon /etc/lp/ppd/KOC353U.ppd\n<jester-> zio: sudo chgrp lp /etc/lp/ppd/KOC353U.ppd\n<zio> fatto\n<zio> entrambi\n<jester-> zio: sudo chmod 444 /etc/lp/ppd/KOC353U.ppd\n<jester-> riavvia\n<zio> ok\n<zio> jester-, la stampante continua a non essere in elenco\n<jester-> zio: in teoria dovrebbe esserci, non so che altro fare\n<zio> in pratica non c'è, andiamo a pranzare, magari ripasso domani se posso disturbarti ?\n<zio> ciao, buon pranzo. grazie, gentilissimo.\n<jester-> zio:\n<zio> si ?\n<jester-> zio hai installato lpr?\n<zio> no, perchè avrebbe tolto cups bsd\n<jester-> prova a installarlo\n<zio> anche se mi toglie cups bsd ?\n<jester-> zio: male che vada lo togli e rimetti cups-bsd\n<zio> faTTO\n<zio> fatto\n<jester-> sudo service cups restart\n<jester-> e controlla\n<zio> niente, non c'è\n<zio> la 353 non c'è\n<jester-> sigh\n<jester-> va bè riavvia\n<zio> ok\n<jester-> se non c'è ho esaurito le opzioni\n<zio> nada, 353 assente\n<jester-> zio: merd\n<zio> se vuoi ci pensiamo un pò su\n<jester-> va bè vado a cibarmi\n<zio> vado a pranzare anche io, a domani. buon pranzo\n<zio> grazie\n<zio> ciao\n<jester-> cià \n<zio> ciao ragazzi, buon appetito a tutti\n<knaigerchrome1> ciao a tutti se voglio estrarre un file in una directory protetta come faccio ad ottenere i permessi per poterlo fare?\n<jester-> knaigerchrome1: sudo\n<knaigerchrome1> ma non sono su terminale, ho aperto un archivio e trascinando il file nella directory non mi fa copiare nulla\n<jester-> knaigerchrome1: sudo nautilus\n<Xandrox> jester-: rieccomi adesso dopo ro c'è quiet splash\n<jester-> Xandrox: che strano\n<knaigerchrome1> mi continua a dire permessi non sufficienti\n<jester-> knaigerchrome1: che dir è\n<knaigerchrome1> usr/share/games/mess\n<jester-> nella home fuori dal home criptata\n<jester-> katymerlin: se fai con nautilis aperto con sudo li hai i poeri\n<jester-> poteri\n<knaigerchrome1> home/usr/share/\n<knaigerchrome1> quindi sudo katymerlin?\n<jester-> knaigerchrome1: terminale e dai sudo nautilus\n<knaigerchrome1> l'ho già fatto\n<jester-> si è aperto?\n<jester-> il file mandager?\n<jester-> manager\n<katymerlin> mi prendi in giro\n<knaigerchrome1> si e ho messo la cartella ho estratto e mi ha detto permessi non sufficienti\n<jester-> knaigerchrome1: con nautilus aperto con sudo copia incolla ?\n<Xandrox> jester-: anche la live da questo errore\n<jester-> Xandrox: acpi non compatibile\n<jester-> Xandrox: 14.04?\n<Xandrox> jester-: si\n<jester-> pc vecchio?\n<Xandrox> jester-: mi consigli altro?\n<jester-> pc vecchio?\n<Xandrox> jester-: si\n<jester-> Xandrox: prova la 12.04\n<Xandrox> ok provo\n<jester-> da live vedi che fa\n<Angelo__> ciao\n<Angelo__> ieri mi è stato consigliato lubuntu per il netbook qui\n<Angelo__> volevo sapere se si aggiorna insieme alla distribuzione ubuntu\n<krabador> Angelo__, si\n<Angelo__> ah proprio tu me l'hai consigliato\n<Angelo__> grazie per l'aiuto perchè sembra stia partendo, in ogni caso, mi sai dire qualche differenza sostanziale rispetto alla release di ubuntu?\n<krabador> Angelo__, ha, un differente ambiente grafico\n<xandrox> krabador: ciao\n<krabador> molto piu' leggero\n<krabador> Angelo__, e molto piu' semplice\n<krabador> Angelo__, tipico tasto a sinistra, meno alla winxp\n<Angelo__> ho capito, ma va bene lo stesso per imparare ad usare linux giusto?\n<krabador> Angelo__, certo\n<Angelo__> bisogna sempre richiamare i comandi\n<krabador> Angelo__, anzi, sei un po' piu' avvantaggiato\n<Angelo__> inserendo le stringe\n<Angelo__> stringhe\n<Fly80> inserendo le stringhe?\n<Angelo__> inserendo i comandi\n<krabador> Angelo__, l'attività del terminale , è uguale in tutte le versioni ubuntu\n<Angelo__> sorry\n<Angelo__> ok e se posso chiedere un'altra cosa\n<krabador> Angelo__, se devi inserire un comando da terminale, questo sarà uguale in tutte le versioni ubuntu+\n<Angelo__> ok ok\n<Angelo__> ho letto che c'è la possibilità di avviare installazioni di pacchetti direttamente con un doppio clic sopra\n<Angelo__> senza andare a richiamare il comando\n<Angelo__> è una cosa possibile?\n<xandrox> krabador: non sono ancora riuscito a far spegnere quella workstation quando puoi io sono qui\n<Fly80> Angelo__, dovresti un po' uscire dal concetto di \"installazione stile windows\" secondo me\n<krabador> Angelo__, si\n<krabador> Angelo__, pero' è molto meglio se impari a installare col terminale\n<Angelo__> beh certo sto imparando ora ad usarlo dopo che da 17 anni uso Windows xD\n<krabador> hai modo di agire molto meglio\n<krabador> se il pacchetto puo' dare problemi\n<Fly80> e comunque sono rari i casi in cui il software che cerchi non si trovi all'interno dei repository\n<krabador> il terminale, nonostante non sia punta e clicca, man mano che lo usi, abbrevia molte operazioni +\n<Fly80> anche qui tutt'altra cosa rispetto a windows, che il software devi cercartelo\n<Angelo__> ho capito\n<Angelo__> e solitamente qual'è il comando per richiamare l'installazione di un pacchetto?\n<krabador> Angelo__, sudo apt-get install pacchetto\n<krabador> Angelo__, se sai precisamente il nome del programma\n<krabador> Angelo__, per cercarlo sudo apt-cache search programma\n<krabador> e lui ti dice quanto c'è nel repositories con quel nome\n<Angelo__> ottimo\n<krabador> poi , in base al nome, lo dai in pasto a sudo apt-get install , e lui ti installa il pacchetto con le dipendenze\n<xandrox> qualcuno ha esperienze con una workstation hp che non si spegne con ubuntu?\n<akis24> sera\n<krabador> xandrox, hai mandato il sistema operativo con acpi=off , in grub ?\n<xandrox> krabador: off è l'unico che non ho provato\n<xandrox> ho provato stamane force con jester\n<Angelo__> grazie mille!\n<krabador> xandrox, era l'opzione che ti segnalai l'altra volta\n<krabador> xandrox,non è andata?\n<krabador> xandrox, hai avuto segnalazioni testuali in spegnimento?\n<xandrox> krabador: si\n<xandrox> krabador: stamane con jester ho reinstallato\n<krabador> xandrox, hai reintsallato 14.04?\n<xandrox> krabador: no 12.04\n<krabador> xandrox, e non va uguale?\n<xandrox> krabador: si esatto\n<xandrox> krabador: credo che il problema sia nel bios ma è diveso da tutti gli altri\n<krabador> xandrox, dammi il modello della motherboard\n<xandrox> krabador: da temrinale come le prendo?\n<william__> come posso installare windows 7 su ubuntuùùù'\n<william__> ?\n<krabador> !chat | william__\n<ubot-it> william__: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<krabador> chiedi in #windows\n<william__> ah okqy grazie\n<krabador> xandrox, sudo dmidecode | grep -i 'Base Board Information' -A4 -B1\n<rud_> ciao\n<xandrox> krabador: http://i58.tinypic.com/23v1387.png\n<dardevil95> ciao a tutti\n<dardevil95> qualcuno puo aiutarmio\n<dardevil95> aiutarmi?\n<akis24> !aiuto\n<ubot-it> per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<krabador> dardevil95, chiedi\n<dardevil95> io sto facendo dual boot con windows 8.1 e ubuntu 14.04 lts e installando la versione uefi mi da errore e non riesco a completare l'installazione! mentre con l'altra modalità non uefi funziona ma al riavvio parte windows senza fare dual boot\n<xandrox> krabador: hai visto il modello?\n<dardevil95> asus vivobook s 200\n<dardevil95> ..\n<dardevil95> quasi completata l'installazione da un errore riferito al uefi\n<dardevil95> nessuno che mi sa aiutare?\n<akis24> dardevil95: seguito bene la guida per installazione con uefi ?\n<dardevil95> sisi\n<dardevil95> sono sicuro\n<xandrox> krabador: il modello dovrebbe essere questo \"0A68h\"\n<akis24> dardevil95: che errore hai ?\n<dardevil95> installando senza uefi funziona\n<dardevil95> il modello di cosa=\n<dardevil95> ?\n<akis24> dardevil95: non ha detto a te\n<xandrox> dicevo a krabador\n<dardevil95> scusa\n<xandrox> np\n<krabador> xandrox, per favore posta meglio l'immagine\n<krabador> xandrox, non è arrivata\n<xandrox> krabador: http://i58.tinypic.com/23v1387.png\n<xandrox> krabador: http://i58.tinypic.com/23v1387.jpg\n<krabador> xandrox, allora, stesso dicorso del grub\n<krabador> e prova noapix\n<krabador> noapic\n<xandrox> krabador: ok come?\n<krabador> xandrox, non avevi provato acpi=force, oggi ?\n<xandrox> krabador: si\n<krabador> xandrox, nello stesso modo\n<xandrox> cambio in acpi=off\n<xandrox> ?\n<krabador> noapic\n<krabador> xandrox, allora, avvio, premi il tasto \"e\" mentre il sistema ha la prima linea di grub in evidenza\n<krabador> metti noapic nella stessa linea di quiet splash\n<krabador> a fianco\n<xandrox> k\n<krabador> poi premi il tasto f10\n<krabador> xandrox, deve essere giusto il punto in cui mettere l'aggiunta, se non te lo ricordi, non puoi metterlo a caso\n<xandrox> krabador: accanto quiet splash uno spazio e scrivo no?\n<krabador> si\n<krabador> in ogni caso, vanno viste quali sono le impostazioni energetiche nel bios\n<krabador> xandrox, di questa workstation non hai nessuna documentazione?\n<xandrox> krabador: cosa vuoi sapere\n<krabador> xandrox, le impostazioni energetiche del bios\n<xandrox> krabador: posso darte entrando nel bios?\n<krabador> xandrox, una macchina del genere, ha un manuale dove le dice\n<krabador> come mai non ce l'hai?\n<xandrox> krabador: sicuramente ma non l'ho qui a portata di mano\n<xandrox> krabador: qualsiasi cosa modifichi da \"e\" non lo fa avviare\n<krabador> ma premere f10 no?\n<xandrox> krabador: lo premo eccome si avvia e si blocca o mi da kernel panic ma normale si avvia\n<krabador> xandrox, questa macchina veniva venduta con Red Hat enterprise linux, all'interno, montava quindi un kernel realizzato apposta per supportare il suo hardware\n<xandrox> krabador: si ho letto in giro ma speravo in una soluzione :(\n<krabador> one :(\n<krabador> scusa\n<krabador> Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5\n<xandrox> krabador: non esiste modo quindi per modificare ubuntu per farlo spegnere? così ci levo mani!\n<krabador> entra in bios premento f10\n<krabador> all'avvio\n<krabador> vai in Os Power Management\n<xandrox> krabador: ci sono\n<krabador> dimmi le opzioni che hai\n<xandrox> runtime power mangement enable - idle power saving extended - acpi s3 support enable\n<xandrox> acpi s3 hard disk reset disable\n<krabador> va su Advanced -- Power On Options\n<xandrox> krabador: ci sono\n<krabador> vedi come sta messao \"I/O APIC Mode\"\n<xandrox> krabador: non c'è qui\n<krabador> quali opzioni hai ?\n<xandrox> krabador: http://i60.tinypic.com/ea4jzq.jpg\n<dardevil95> errore:\"l'installazione del pacchetto <<grub-efi-amd64-signed>> in/taget/non è riuscita. senza il boot loader GRUB, il sistema installato non si avvierà \"\n<dardevil95> questo è l'errore\n<krabador> dardevil95, hai già eseguito\n<krabador> hai già eseguito l'installazione?\n<krabador> xandrox, se vai completamente in basso, non hai altre opzione\n<xandrox> krabador: no\n<krabador> xandrox, allora acpi s3 support disable , salvi riavvii\n<krabador> xandrox, tasto e, sulla prima linea di grub, acpi=off a fianco di quiet splash\n<krabador> f10\n<krabador> e dimmi che succede\n<dardevil95> si krabbador\n<dardevil95> krabador*\n<krabador> dardevil95, http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/UEFI#Riparazione_bootloader\n<dardevil95> linux sicure remix?\n<xandrox> krabador: kernel panic\n<dardevil95> cos'è'\n<krabador> dardevil95, in bios, che voci ti si sono create in boot ?\n<dardevil95> allora\n<dardevil95> uefi e il nome della pennina\n<dardevil95> e uno solo il nome della pennina\n<xandrox> krabador: http://i59.tinypic.com/34y4ns9.jpg\n<dardevil95> allora: uefi:sandisk cruzer... e sandisk cruzer 8.01 (sto facendo boot da usb)\n<riki__> ciao\n<krabador> dardevil95, allora\n<krabador> spiegami la situazione\n<krabador> per filoo e per segno\n<dardevil95> ho scaricato dal sito ufficiale ubuntu 14.04\n<dardevil95> della communiti, con unebootin ho fatto boo da pennina e sono entrato nel bios del pc che ha windows 8.1 (bios uefi) e ho impostato uefi sandisk cruzer(cioè la penna usb) come prima ozione di boot, a questo punto parte l'installazione e a fine installazione mi da quell'errore che ho mandato prima\n<riki__> mi serve un aiuto\n<xandrox> krabador: come ripristino grub originale dal menu \"e\"\n<dardevil95> il boot del pc inizialmente era fast boot e io come ho letto da guida ho cambiato e ho messo launch csm\n<dardevil95> e launch pxe oprom\n<riki__> ragazzi mi consigliate kubuntu o xubuntu?\n<dardevil95> krabador non ho capito\n<krabador> dardevil95, che pc è\n<dardevil95> asus vivobook s200 11.6\n<krabador> xandrox, non è mai stato modificato\n<jester-> sera\n<xandrox> si che lo è adesso dopo ro acpi=noirq quiet splash e qualsiasi cosa tocchi non si avvia\n<krabador> xandrox, dal tasto e, non viene modificato grub, un maniera permanente\n<krabador> xandrox, niente di cio' che ti ho fatto fare\n<krabador> ha modificato grub in maniera permanente\n<xandrox> krabador: sisi lo so\n<krabador> appunto\n<xandrox> krabador: dico così perchè magari nei vari tentativi miei quel acpi=noirq non ci dovrebbe essere e io ce l'ho messo\n<krabador> xandrox, scusami, chi ti ha detto di metterlo ?\n<xandrox> una guida ç_ç\n<krabador> non puoi metterti a chiedere assistenza con un sistema modificato senza dire le modifiche che hai fatto\n<pocho2290> ciao\n<krabador> xandrox, non si avvia proprio ?\n<xandrox> krabador: scusami tanto\n<xandrox> krabador: sto provando riattivando acpi s3\n<krabador> xandrox, non ti scuso non si puo' perdere tempo cosi'\n<pocho2290> dove posso trovare le versioni precedenti dei vari ambienti desktop inferiori a quelle scaricabili dal sito?\n<xandrox> krabador: hai ragione ma all0inizio te lo scrissi quando ti dissi di acpi=force\n<krabador> pocho2290, scarica direttamente una versione di ubuntu precedente\n<pocho2290> grazie krabador\n<xandrox> krabador: reinstallo e provo come mi hai detto\n<superjartist> sapete dirmi quale versione di linux è giusta per computer molto vecchi (anni 90-2000)\n<akis24> sera\n<Riccardone> akis24: ciao\n<akis24> ciao Riccardone\n<spartacus_72> sera\n<Ozzyboshi> sera\n<nid_> ciao a tutti\n<nid_> chi mi può aiutare??\n<krabador> nid_, chiedi\n<nid_> dv istallare ubuntu all' interno di windows xp vedendo su internet ho visto che c'è wubi\n<krabador> nid_, wubi è stato abbandonato dagli sviluppatori ubuntu\n<krabador> è sconsigliato usarlo\n<nic_> sera...\n<nid_> quindi dv fare per forza la partixione cn ubuntu\n<krabador> nid_, fai partire l'installazione, e ti chiederà di installarlo a fianco, poi fa tutto da solo, ed alla fine , al riavvio , hai una schermata che ti chiede cosa caricare\n<krabador> se ubuntu o win\n<krabador> nid_, che caratteristiche ha il il pc ?\n<nid_> e in caso in futuro vorrei disistalarlo\n<krabador> nic_, reinstalli semplicemente il master boot record di win\n<krabador> !mbr | nid_\n<ubot-it> nid_: Per ripristinare MBR: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/RipristinoMbrWindows\n<nid_> ok grazie mille\n<nic_> se posso chiedere: sto installando xubuntu su un pavillion su cui è già presente xp. Durante l'installazione subito parte male perchè lavora offline (mentre il pc è in WLAN lavorando con xp)\n<nic_> consigli?\n<krabador> nid_, cancelli la partizione, da sessione live e la riassegni a win\n<nid_> gentilissimo\n<krabador> nid_, prova comunque ubuntu in sessione live, e vedi se fa tutto quello che ti serve\n<krabador> nic_, fa partire xubuntu in sessione live, con l'opzione \"prova ubuntu\"\n<nic_> ok..\n<nic_> fatto\n<krabador> nic_, da li puoi verificare , dal task di network manager, se il pc vede le reti\n<krabador> nic_, che scheda wireless ha questo pavillion\n<nic_> riesci a dirmi come lo posso vedere dalla sessione Live? non ricordo... e dovrei tornare su xp per dirtelo\n<krabador> nic_, vedi le reti dal task di network manager ?\n<nic_> no\n<krabador> nic_, cosa ti dice il task di network manager, con il tasto sinistro e col tasto destro del mouse?\n<nic_> impossibile aprire \"Windows Network\"\n<krabador> non c'entra niente windows network\n<nic_> ok... mi guidi?\n<krabador> nic_, apri il terminale, digita sudo lshw -C network , e iwconfig\n<krabador> nic_, dopo ognuno devi mandare invio\n<nic_> network0 BCM4318 ecc ecc ecc\n<nic_> network 1 RTL-8100/8101L/8139\n<nic_> ecc ecc\n<krabador> nic_, incolla il risultato di entrambi i canali su un editor di testo\n<krabador> salva , su una chiavetta\n<nic_> ...son su un altro pc\n<krabador> importalo in un pc connnesso\n<krabador> aprilo ed incollalo in pastebin\n<krabador> !pastebin | nic_\n<ubot-it> nic_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<nic_> ragazzi... son approdato in un mondo nuovo\n<nic_> e non è un atterraggio facile\n<nic_> anzi!\n<krabador> nic_, allora le broadcom non vanno di default, perchè il driver ha una licenza non ridistribuibile, e deve esser installato a mano dall'utente\n<krabador> è un passaggio semplice\n<krabador> ma connessi viene meglio\n<krabador> nic_, hai l'opportunità di attaccare questo notebool tramite cavo?\n<nic_> no, non ora. mi organizzo in modo da mettermi in rete cablato e riprovo domani... grazie comunque del supporto\n<nic_> grazie krabador\n<krabador> di niente\n<knaigerchrome1> ciao a tutti mi sono collegato stamani ma poi la linea non funzionava piùe non ho potuto risolvere il problema seguente: ho installato l'emulatore di tutte le console MESS e vorrei inserirci le ROMS, ho individuato le cartelle dove poterle inserire ma mi dice che non ho i permessi necessari per copiare gli elementi in quelle cartelle come posso risolvere?\n<krabador> knaigerchrome1, assegnagli delle cartelle che siano sotto /home/utente\n<krabador> altrimenti ti risulterà difficile usarle come utente\n<knaigerchrome1> praticamente per farlo dovrei modificare il file mess.ini però se lo apro e lo modifico non mi fa salvare le modifiche\n<krabador> knaigerchrome1, sudo gedit file\n<krabador> e puoi salvare quello che ti pare\n<krabador> non fare danni\n<knaigerchrome1> non va bene questo comando mi apre una pagina bianca con il nome del file\n<krabador> knaigerchrome1, sudo gedit, e poi deve esserci il file che devi aprire\n<knaigerchrome1> devo includere il percorso?\n<krabador> knaigerchrome1, se hai mandato veramente sudo gedit file\n<krabador> ti ha aperto file\n<krabador> che non esiste\n<krabador> knaigerchrome1, si\n<knaigerchrome1> ok pensavo trovasse il file da solo :)\n<krabador> knaigerchrome1, puoi andare con il terminale\n<krabador> nella cartella dove è il file\n<krabador> e mandi sudo gedit comecavolosichiama\n<knaigerchrome1> ok basta fare cd scrivania ecc fino ad arrivare alla cartella giusto?\n<krabador> knaigerchrome1, si\n<krabador> puoi anche fare cd Scriv , premere tab e lui autocompleta la cartella\n<krabador> e puoi facilmente arrivare alla cartella in questione con un solo comando\n<knaigerchrome1> c'è un problemino il file si trova in /etc/ e con gedit mi da un errore\n<fumagallimattia> Buonasera\n<fumagallimattia> C'è nessuno?\n<spartacus_72> sudo gedit**\n<krabador> knaigerchrome1, che ubuntu hai ?\n<fumagallimattia> Io 14.04\n<krabador> knaigerchrome1, che ubuntu hai ?\n<fumagallimattia> à impossibile configurare una key wifi senza essere connessi a internet?\n<krabador> fumagallimattia, se intendi una internet key di una compagnia telefonica, molte funzionano già di base\n<krabador> inserendole, e andando in \"modifica connessioni\" nel task di network manager\n<fumagallimattia> No, un adattatore wifi della d link\n<krabador> fumagallimattia, inseriscilo, manda sudo lsusb\n<krabador> e vedi cosa restituisce il comando\n<fumagallimattia> Lo riconosce in alto sotto bus 002 device 004\n<fumagallimattia> Ma nelle impostazioni connessione non lo trova\n<krabador> fumagallimattia, incolla il contenuto del comando in pastebin\n<krabador> !pastebin | fumagallimattia\n<ubot-it> fumagallimattia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<puffinho> 'notte a tutti...\n<puffinho> ...c'è qualcuno che può darmi una mano con l'avvio di UbStudio !!!\n<krabador> puffinho, che problema c'è?\n<puffinho> ...mi dà un sacco di problemi. . . .non si avvia mai da solo ...e quando ci riesco non posso montare NESSUN altra partizione...e a leggere altri dati dal disco !\n<puffinho> Ciao Krab !!\n<puffinho> credo sia rimasta montata...o viene letta...una partenza da un disco che ho cercato di aggiustare...\n<puffinho> ..ma che NON è assolutamente attaccata al pc..\n<krabador> puffinho, grub che cosa fa all'inizio\n<krabador> puffinho, allora, ripristina grub\n<krabador> !grub | puffinho\n<puffinho> ..il grub all'inizio va bene !!!....mi permette di scegliere...come al solito...\n<ubot-it> puffinho: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<puffinho> no no....l'ho fatto !!!\n<krabador> puffinho, allora cerca di essere preciso con quello che succede\n<puffinho> ... ...ma UbStudio non si avvia lo stesso !!!!\n<puffinho> rimane la schermata nera...\n<krabador> puffinho, che cosa hai fatto?\n<puffinho> finchè non torno indietro Riavviandolo ...e faccio l'altro avvio. . . ( Risoluzioni di problemi di Ub)\n<krabador> puffinho, sudo fdisk -l\n<krabador> !pastebin puffinho\n<ubot-it> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)\n<krabador> !pastebin | puffinho\n<ubot-it> puffinho: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<puffinho> ...da li...riesco a far partire Studio.. Poi però non posso usare le altre partizioni...kè mi dice sono NON MONTABILI !!!\n<puffinho> ..ok Krab-....faccio il Check...e PASTO il tutto !\n<puffinho> ;)\n<puffinho> scusa Krab...\n<puffinho> ...facendo l'aggiornamento....e avendo mandato la comunicazione d'errore... Ora mi sta facendo aggiornare la versione..e mi chiede di riavviare !!\n<puffinho> ...vado!!!...magari (sperando s'aggiusti il tutto..) ci sentiamo dop o!??\n<krabador> puffinho, stai prendendo a martellate l'installazione\n<puffinho> hhhh\n<krabador> spera che il salto vada a ripristinare qualcosa di corrotto\n<puffinho> eeeeh.... ohj!!! ....erano 2 mesi che nn partiva..\n<puffinho> ..infatti....\n<puffinho> leggevo orOra !!\n<krabador> puffinho, se non preso a martellate\n<krabador> possono passare anche 6 anni\n<krabador> e riparte lo stesso\n<puffinho> Grazie sempre !\n<puffinho> O.o\n<puffinho> ..spero proprio di no ! . . . .avremo i Droni fra 6 anni\n<puffinho> XP\n<puffinho> a dopo !!... ( spero )\n<LoZioNe> amici nottambuli,qualcuno di voi sa dove trovare la lista di comandi del menù dei tools di kali?Devo inserirli a mano nel mio Kmenù -.-\"\n<LoZioNe> (sono un'ufficio complicazioni affari semlici...lo so)\n<krabador> LoZioNe, chiedi in #kali-italia\n<LoZioNe> krabador,grazie mille :)\n<joke2k> sera\n<LoZioNe> ciao\n#ubuntu-it 2014-05-21\n<michela> ciao... non riesco ad installare Xbuntu... nel file che ho scaricato non ci dovrebbe essere un exe? ... come faccio a far partire l'installazione?\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<michela> chi mi puo aiutare?\n<jester-> \n<jester-> \n<jester-> michela dica\n<jester-> michela: cu fu\n<nid> ciao a tutti chi mi aiuta??\n<cristian_c> !aiuto | Guest61720\n<ubot-it> Guest61720: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<Guest61720> quando istallo ubuntu tramite wubi al riavvio quando entro su ubuntu mi da error\n<ExPBoy> ma esiste ancora wubi?\n<ExPBoy> Guest61720: ti consiglio una installazione normale wubi fa pena\n<ExPBoy> !installazione\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<Guest61720> si l ho trovato nel file zip scaricato sul sito\n<Guest61720> io prima di formattare il pc avevo xp e ubuntu 13.04\n<luca124> ciao\n<luca124> !list\n<ubot-it> questo non è un canale per scaricare o di condivisione di contenuti\n<jester-> tel chì el telù\n<jester-> n\n<ExPBoy> :)\n<LoZioNe> Buongiorno a tutti\n<zio> buongiorno\n<zio> jester-, ci sei ?\n<zio> ops\n<zio> volevo fargli sapere che il ppd della konica che mi ha inviato sulla 12.04 gira benissimo e quindi sono riuscito a far lavorare anche nella 14 la konica bizhub 353\n<zio> grazie ragazzi, gentilissimi\n<krabador> bene\n<zio> saluti per jester, magari vedo di ripassare per salutari, buon pranzop a tutti\n<zio> grazie krabador\n<zio> ciao, buon pranzo\n<zio> vedo di ripassare\n<zio> ciao\n<zio> ^_^\n<aiutubuntu> Ciao amici mi aiutate a cancellare dal cestino 17 giga che non riesco piu'? Il problema e' dovuto al fatto che ho messo questi file nel cestino per liberare spazio poi ho inavvertitamente cliccato su restore e patatarac\n<vice_> ciao\n<vice_> nella scrivania se digito un simbolo tipo \\ + - * si apre una finestrella piccola in basso a destra a cosa serve?\n<krabador> aiutubuntu, se sono stati riposozionati dov'erano, cancellali di nuovo\n<krabador> con shift canc\n<krabador> così non passano per il cestino\n<vice_> ciao krabador\n<Angelo__> CIao a tutti, non voglio star sempre qui a disturbare però ho bisogno di aiuto per la versione desktop di ubuntu stavolta, l'ho installata ho iniziato a mettere i vari programmi ecc\n<Angelo__> ma ho la netta impressione che ci sia bisogno dei driver video per la scheda video\n<Angelo__> in quanto la risoluzione è davvero bassissima e si vede davvero poco risoluto\n<Angelo__> nelle impostazioni dello schermo il nome del display è \"non riconosciuto\" ho provato a scaricare i driver dal sito nvidia\n<Angelo__> ma mi viene un file di 60mb che però ubuntu mi vuole aprire come file di testo\n<Angelo__> ho provato a scaricare una specie di manager delle risorse per nvidia\n<cristian_c> Angelo__, no\n<Angelo__> ma non ho risolto niente...\n<cristian_c> Angelo__, hai controllato quali driver sono in uso?\n<Angelo__> quelli standard che ha messo ubuntu\n<Angelo__> nn ho toccato niente\n<Samul> ciao a tutti\n<Angelo__> per questo secondo me ci vuole qualche driver specifico\n<Angelo__> che però non so come applicare\n<Angelo__> ciao samul\n<Samul> uso ubuntu 14.04 lts 64 bit e vorrei installare il driver del mio scanner epson stylus sx130 (quello della stampante si è installato automaticamente)\n<Samul> quando li scarico dal sito epson e li avvio, però, compare questo http://i.imgur.com/LtUxp7H.png\n<Samul> (ciao Angelo__)\n<Samul> non capisco, per caso non sono supportati dalla mia versione dell'os?\n<cristian_c> Angelo__, sicuro che usasse i nouveau?\n<cristian_c> Angelo__, e hai controllato in Driver aggiuntivi?\n<Samul> ciao cristian_c, ti ricordi di me?\n<cristian_c> mmmmmmm..., vagamente\n<Samul> mi avevi già aiutato due volte\n<Samul> con il problema della stampante\n<Samul> ogni volta che aggiorno/cambio OS siamo punti a capo :/\n<ExPBoy> Samul: quante volte cambi OS?\n<Samul> spesso\n<ExPBoy> eh allora è normale\n<Samul> ne provo diversi perché non riesco a trovare quello \"definitivo\"\n<Samul> sono passato da ubuntu a debian, linux mint e diversi altri\n<ExPBoy> Samul: ribadisco è normale\n<Samul> capisco\n<LoZioNe> Angelo_, di che scheda video parliamo?\n<Samul> ma qualcuno può aiutarmi per favore?\n<aiutubuntu> scusate ma dei file dal cestino come li tolgo (avendo erroneamente digitato restore)?\n<ExPBoy> svuotando il cestino?\n<Angelo__> parliamo di una gtx 650ti\n<Angelo__> nvidia\n<Angelo__> nn ho visto i driver aggiuntivi comunque, dove posso controllare?\n<Samul> ExPBoy, cristian_c, qualcuno può aiutarmi please?\n<LoZioNe> aiutubuntu,prova a vedere qua: http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?p=4019920\n<cristian_c> Angelo__, in driver aggiuntivi\n<ExPBoy> Samul: http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?t=510202\n<LoZioNe> Angelo__,dovrebbero essere i 304\n<Angelo__> ok\n<Angelo__> li scarico da qua allora, grazie\n<Angelo__> ah non erano per me i link\n<cristian_c> Angelo__, non cercare sul web i driver\n<Angelo__> ok\n<cristian_c> se ci sono, sono nei repo ufficiali di ubuntu\n<Angelo__> ok\n<aiutubuntu> LoZione ho provato nulla :( sudo rm -rf /root/.local/share/Trash/files/*\n<Angelo__> se non ci sono non ho alternative?\n<LoZioNe> aiutubuntu, prova sudo rm -rf ~/.local/share/Trash/files/*\n<Samul> grazie mille ExPBoy, bastava solo scaricare l'altro driver!\n<Samul> (ce n'erano due praticamente identici)\n<ExPBoy> si ma bastava cercare come ho fatto io :)\n<Samul> il punto è che cercavo la cosa sbagliata\n<ExPBoy> lol\n<Samul> tentavo di risolvere il problema delle dipendenze\n<Samul> senza pensare che forse era meglio provare da 0\n<krabador> alla ricerca della cosa sbagliata, di Samul\n<ExPBoy> della serie meglio complicarsi la vita\n<Samul> lol\n<Samul> va beh quel che conta è che ora è tutto risolto :)\n<ExPBoy> bene\n<Angelo__> \n<LoZioNe> ma è possibile che su 18,2GB di root ne ho già riempiti 18,2 e la Home invece è solo a 6,44GB occupati?\n<Angelo__> ora provo di nuovo cercando nei driver aggiuntivi\n<Angelo__> e nel caso ci sent dopo\n<Angelo__> grazie\n<LoZioNe> scusate...Root da 18,8GB e riempiti 9,10GB\n<flymilla> ciao a tutti! qualcuno sa se esistono i driver x linux della fotocamera canon coolpix p90?\n<cristian_c> flymilla, non viene montata cme una memoria di massa?\n<cristian_c> *come\n<flymilla> si mettendo direttamente la schedina sd si...però il software è comodo perchè ha delle utility molto utili\n<flymilla> ad esempio per montare le foto panoramiche\n<cristian_c> flymilla, software non equivale a driver\n<cristian_c> hai parlato di driver\n<flymilla> si hai ragione!!\n<flymilla> :-)\n<cristian_c> flymilla, comunque, ci sono dei software che supportano le funzioni avanzate di molte fotocamere\n<flymilla> ad esempio?\n<cristian_c> non ricordo i nomi dei programmi\n<flymilla> ok\n<flymilla> devo guardare nel software center?\n<cristian_c> flymilla, prova digikam\n<cristian_c> flymilla, sì\n<flymilla> ok grazie mille\n<cristian_c> flymilla, o darktable\n<cristian_c> !info digikam\n<ubot-it> digikam (source: digikam): digital photo management application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.4.0-1ubuntu3 (saucy), package size 3945 kB, installed size 15565 kB\n<cristian_c> !info darktable\n<ubot-it> darktable (source: darktable): virtual lighttable and darkroom for photographers. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.3-1ubuntu1 (saucy), package size 2645 kB, installed size 7906 kB\n<cristian_c> !info ufraw\n<ubot-it> ufraw (source: ufraw): standalone importer for raw camera images. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.19.2-2ubuntu1 (saucy), package size 740 kB, installed size 2166 kB\n<cristian_c> !info rawstudio\n<ubot-it> rawstudio (source: rawstudio): RAW image converter. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0-1.1ubuntu2 (saucy), package size 923 kB, installed size 2687 kB\n<cristian_c> ecc...\n<Angelo__> Salve, rieccomi...ancora col problema della nvidia gtx 650\n<Angelo__> ho messo i driver 311\n<Angelo__> e la risoluzione è lievemente aumentata a 1124\n<Angelo__> per 824 tipo\n<Angelo__> però ancora lontani dai 1080p\n<Angelo__> si vede ancora non molto bene...\n<Angelo__> qualcuno può aiutarmi\n<Fly80> ciao\n<Samul> ciao\n<Fly80> scusate, c'è un modo per evitare di fare l'automount se voglio caricare il cell via usb?\n<Fly80> mi appare sempre \"failed to mount device\"\n<Fly80> ma non mi interessa montarlo :)\n<Fly80> ora sembra si sia fermato e mi appare l'icona del cellulare sulla barra di Unity\n<tony__> ciao ragazzi ... una volta scaricato il file iso...poi qual'è la procedura\n<Angelo__> ciao\n<Angelo__> allora nessuna soluzione per me?\n<Fly80> Angelo__, che soluzione?\n<Angelo__> per quanto riguardava la risoluzione full hd con la mia scheda video\n<Fly80> ah non so, non c'ero :)\n<Angelo__> allora ripongo la domanda\n<Angelo__> ho un problema con la risoluzione con una scheda video gtx 650 della nvidia\n<Angelo__> non riesco a settarla in full hd\n<Angelo__> e quindi lo schermo mi appare molto poco risoluto\n<Angelo__> sto provando i vari driver aggiuntivi\n<Angelo__> ma non funziona\n<Angelo__> dovrei abilitare quelli x server?\n<Fly80> non saprei proprio, hai provato i driver ufficiali?\n<Angelo__> scaricarli dal sito ufficiale?\n<Fly80> se non creano problemi, perché no\n<Fly80> ma magari sto dicendo un'eresia, io farei così se quelli dei repository non vanno\n<Angelo__> se li scarico x linux\n<Angelo__> mi da un file che vuole aprire con il lettore di testo\n<remix_tj> !nvidia | Angelo__\n<ubot-it> Angelo__: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/Nvidia\n<remix_tj> direi che la cosa meglio è seguire le istruzioni sul wiki :-)\n<Fly80> Angelo__, segui le istruzioni. E comunque basta guardare l'estensione del file, se non sai cos'è non lo aprire\n<remix_tj> meglio ancora la pagina in inglese che è più aggiornata https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia\n<Angelo__> sto provando a scaricare l'ultimo driver che dice nel link in inglese\n<Angelo__> i file .run come si aprono?\n<Fly80> chmod +x nomefile.run\n<Fly80> e poi dalla directory\n<Fly80> ./nofile.run\n<Fly80> ./nomefile.run\n<Angelo__> dice che è impossibile accedere\n<Angelo__> non va\n<Angelo__> quando mi chiede la password dice file non esistente\n<Angelo__> mi sto arrendendo...\n<aiutubuntu> allora nessuno mi sa dire come posso DEFINITIVAMENTE cancellare dal cestino i files?\n<blerim_> salve a tutti! sto cercando di installare il programma xlite, seguo tutta la procedura indicata su wikiubuntu ma quando arrivo a dover creare il collegamento per l'applicazione mi dice file non esistente\n<blerim_> mi potreste aiutare? grazie\n<roberto567> ciao a tutti\n<roberto567> si può installare grub in un disco rigido aggiunto ?\n<roberto567> vorrei fare un sistema con due hd, nel primo esiste già windows, nel secondo vorrei mettere Grub + ubuntu\n<roberto567> oppure conviene mettere grub in una chiavetta a parte ?\n<roberto567> qualcuno mi sta leggendo ?\n<cybernova> roberto567, ti conviene installare grub sul primo hard disk\n<roberto567> qualche esperto mi può rispondere ?\n<roberto567> quello che contiene già windows 7 ?\n<cybernova> si, se è quello che il bios fa partire per primo\n<roberto567> però modificando le priorità nel bios, potrei far partire per primo il HD aggiunto no ?\n<cybernova> roberto567, si certo\n<krabador> basta che GRUB finisce nella prima periferica che parte\n<roberto567> perchè non vorrei metter mano al disco con windows\n<roberto567> ah grazie a tutti\n<krabador> scegli quella con linux come prima, e metti là il GRUB\n<cybernova> roberto567, grub è in grado di rilevare sia winz che linux quindi basta che lo installi nel primo hd dal quale viene fatto il boot che puoi lanciare tutti e 2 i so\n<roberto567> grazie a tutti\n<roberto567> la mia perplessità cmq è risolta in quanto mi chiedevo se fosse meglio avere un'installazione di grub a parte\n<krabador> grub è un boot loader, se non parte in boot, non ha senso\n<roberto567> grazie e buona continuazione\n<roberto567> veramente + che loader lo chiamerei manager :D\n<krabador> se in 2 dischi , non vuoi toccare quello win, fa partire l'altro e metti li i lgrub\n<krabador> quando userai il win da solo , partirà senza problemi\n<roberto567> grazie ancora :D\n<akis24> sera\n<Jois-studio> Ciao\n<LoZioNe> volevo segnalare che quando appena loggato in irc sul canale il commento #ubuntu-it :http:www.ubunti.it.org ha il collegamento sbagliato davanti ai : di http ;)\n<Tanalitu> Ciao a tutti. Ho un problema con l'installazione di Ubuntu/Xubuntu. Ho un PC fisso Pentium D. Scheda madre asrock 775dual-vsta. Ho tentato di installare sia Ubuntu che Xubuntu al posto di Xp, ma l'installazione si blocca sempre, o poco prima della scelta prova-installa, o poco dopo.\n<krabador> Tanalitu, sicuro di non avere ram o disco andati?\n<Tanalitu> krabador, windows xp funziona. In più ho installato Lubuntu con l'installazione alternate, però è molto instabile. Si inchioda spesso all'avvio e sempre allo shutdown.\n<Tanalitu> krabador, però ripeto, windows xp funziona tranquillamente.\n<krabador> Tanalitu, mi elenchi per favore , le specifiche hardware del pc\n<Tanalitu> krabador, Pentium D da 2.6ghz 32 bit, Ram 1024mb x 2\n<krabador> niente scheda video , immagino\n<Tanalitu> krabador, scusa, Pentium D da 3.4. Scheda video NVIDIA\n<Tanalitu> krabador, la nvidia geforce gf6600gt\n<krabador> Tanalitu, hai fatto pendrive o dvd\n<Tanalitu> krabador, entrambi\n<krabador> sia di xubuntu che di ubuntu?\n<Tanalitu> krabador, no, con xubuntu ho provato sia la pendrive che il cd. Di ubuntu solo dvd\n<krabador> Tanalitu, 14.04 entrambe?\n<Tanalitu> krabador, no, Ubuntu la 13.04. Di Xubuntu la 14.04 e la 12.04\n<krabador> allora Tanalitu , prendi il dvd di xubuntu 14.04, mandalo in live,e scegli forcepae e nomodeset . e fa partire \"prova ubuntu\"\n<Tanalitu> krabador, come faccio a scegliere forcepae e nomodeset?\n<krabador> con f6\n<Tanalitu> quando lo devo premere?\n<krabador> alla lista delle opzioni di boot\n<Tanalitu> krabador, scusa, la lista delle opzioni di boot dove sarebbe? Dopo aver fatto partire il live? Perché se così fosse, con xubuntu 14.04 si blocca subito dopo il primo loading. E non arriva alla scelta prova-installa\n<fabio> sera\n<krabador> Tanalitu, che errore ti da\n<fabio> ma per aumentare font grub?\n<Tanalitu> krabador, mi appare una schermata grigia puntinata multicolore, e divisa in rettangoli orizzontali.\n<krabador> Tanalitu, ubuntu 14.04 fa lo stesso ?\n<krabador> Tanalitu, quella schermata è un errore di visualizzazione\n<Tanalitu> krabador, Ubuntu 14.04 non l'ho provato, ma Ubuntu 13.04, quando riesco a scegliere (non sempre) se installare o provare, poi mi si spegne lo schermo o diventa tutto grigio (non puntinato)\n<krabador> Tanalitu, devi provare ubuntu 14.04 con quelle impostazioni del menu f6\n<Tanalitu> krabador, okkey, provo a scaricarlo e poi vedo. Ma che problema pensi possa essere?\n<krabador> problemi con il driver video , nell'impostazione di base\n<Tanalitu> krabador, ah. Intanto grazie.\n<fabio> ma per aumentare font grub?\n<krabador> fabio, man grub-mkfont\n<Alstew> buona sera\n<Alstew> qualcuno può aiutarmi?\n<krabador> chiedi\n<Alstew> grazie\n<Alstew> volevo cancellare telepathy da kubuntu\n<Alstew> ma non ci riesco\n<krabador> Alstew, apri il terminale\n<krabador> dpkg -l | grep telepathy\n<Alstew> già fatto\n<krabador> e manda il contenuto su pastebin\n<Alstew> sudo apt-get --purge telepathy\n<krabador> dpkg -l | grep telepathy\n<krabador> e manda il contenuto su pastebin\n<krabador> !pastebin | Alstew\n<ubot-it> Alstew: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Alstew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7498369/\n<krabador> allora\n<Alstew> ma se apro radice-usr-share..ci sta\n<krabador> per favore\n<krabador> vuoi mandare il comando che ti ho dato ?\n<Alstew> quale?\n<Alstew> ok scusa\n<krabador> Alstew, te l'ho mandato 2 volte\n<Alstew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7498380/\n<Alstew> scusa non avevo visto\n<krabador> Alstew, sudo apt-get remove --purge kde-telepathy-* kde-config-telepathy-accounts\n<krabador> Alstew, aspetta\n<krabador> non è completo\n<krabador> Alstew, sudo apt-get remove --purge kde-telepathy-* kde-config-telepathy-accounts libtelepathy-* plasma-runner-telepathy-contact telepathy-*\n<krabador> Alstew, copia ed incolla questo\n<krabador> mandalo\n<krabador> e pastebin\n<Alstew> cosa devo fare adesso?\n<krabador> pastebin\n<Alstew> scrivere pastebin?\n<krabador> !pastebin | Alstew\n<ubot-it> Alstew: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<krabador> chiaro adesso?\n<Alstew> ho capito cosa ci devo inserire dentro?\n<krabador> il risultato del comando che ti ho dato, per esempio\n<Simone> Ciao ho installato chrome su lubuntu 14, ma non risco ad aprirlo\n<Alstew> tutto ciò che ha fatto il terminale?\n<krabador> Alstew, si, ti spaventa?\n<krabador> Simone, chrome-browser\n<Simone> si\n<Alstew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7498403/\n<krabador> Alstew, ok\n<Alstew> non devo fare altro?\n<krabador> Simone, intendo, manda chrome-browser da terminale\n<krabador> Alstew, rimanda dpkg -l | grep telepathy\n<Simone> mi dici i comandi\n<Alstew> non esce nulla\n<fabio> vuoi il paste? krabador\n<Simone> krabador, \"sudo apt-get install chrome\" ? mi dice impossibile trovare pacchetto chrome\n<krabador> fabio no\n<krabador> <krabador> Simone, intendo, manda chrome-browser da terminale\n<fabio> quindi? krabador\n<krabador> fabio, studiati quel comando, e puoi settare font per grub\n<fabio> aaaaaaaa ok\n<fabio> --asce=? krabador\n<Simone> non si apre da terminale, comando non trovato mi dice\n<krabador> Simone, dpkg -l | grep chrome\n<krabador> Simone, pastebin\n<Simone> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7498503/\n<krabador> Simone, in terminale digita google-chrome-stable\n<Simone> Istruzione non consentita (core dump creato), mi dice\n<krabador> Simone, manda il pastebin con i messaggi da terminale\n<krabador> Simone, lubuntu 32 bit ?\n<Simone> Sì\n<Simone> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7498518/\n<fra_dolcino> qualcuno sà qualcosa di QInk, cioè se funiziona sulla 14.04 e sulle stampanti Canon delle serie 3500?\n<fra_dolcino> mi riferivo questo http://www.lffl.org/2012/04/qink-ora-disponibile-anche-per-ubuntu.html per controllare livelli di inchiostro\n<krabador> Simone, per favore , va col terminale nella cartella del pacchetto\n<Simone> comandi?\n<Simone> cosa devo digitare?\n<krabador> Simone, dove hai scaricato il paccheto\n<Simone> il pacchetti si era scaricato in GDebi\n<krabador> Simone, va nel sisto goohle\n<krabador> http://www.google.it/intl/it/chrome/browser/\n<krabador> scarica il deb a 32 bit\n<krabador> Simone, nel frattempo con il terminale, manda sudo apt-get remove --purge google-chrome-browser\n<barabba> ciao a tutti\n<barabba> ho installato la 14.04 e tutto funziona bene\n<Simone> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7498611/\n<barabba> l'unica cosa che nn riesco a installare è VPNC per le vpn CISCO\n<barabba> nonostante mi dice che è intsllato nn lo trovo nella lista delle VPN\n<barabba> qualcuno ha gentilmnente dei consigli?\n<krabador> Simone, sudo apt-get remove --purge google-chrome-stable\n<Simone> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7498622/\n<barabba> ho risolto\n<barabba> grazie mille\n<krabador> Simone, hai scaricato il pacchetto dal sito google?\n<spartacus_72> sera\n<vice_> ciao fratelli\n<JACK3viso> Ciao a tutti quelli del canale :)\n<krabador> salve JACK3viso\n<JACK3viso> ciao krabador\n<JACK3viso> sei un operatore o semplice utente?\n<Simone> krabador, scusami ma non riuscivo più ad inviare con ivio risposte\n<Simone> mi, manca ancora un po' alla fine del download, poi che faccio?\n<vice_> chi mi spiega x ke se sulla scrivania digito un simbolo tipo \\ - * + mi si apre una finestrella in basso a destra , a cosa serve?\n<type> ce nessuno che mi puo aiutare ad istallare ubuntu in dual boot con win7?\n<type> non riesco\n<type> se installo uno non posso istallare l altro\n<type> il pc e un portatile asus uefi\n<vice_> à \n<krabador> !uefi | type\n<ubot-it> type: UEFI è una specifica che definisce una interfaccia software tra un sistema operativo e le piattaforme firmware, è intesa come un sostituto del BIOS. Per informazioni su come impostare e installare Ubuntu su macchine UEFI vedi http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/UEFI\n<type> si\n<type> lo so\n<type> ho letto le guide\n<krabador> type, hai disabilitato quanto di uefi, da bios?\n<type> ma non riesco a capire perche mi vede sempre l hd vuoto\n<type> si\n<Simone> krabador, ok download completato, che faccio lo installo dal Package Installer?\n<type> ho un asus k550ca\n<type> premo f2\n<krabador> type, hai già eseguito un installazione\n<type> sisi\n<type> una volta l avevo fatto\n<type> poi ho dovuto riformattare perche si era imputtanato tutto\n<krabador> adesso cosa c'è nel pc\n<krabador> solo win^\n<krabador> ?\n<type> si\n<krabador> Simone, no\n<Simone> dimmi\n<krabador> Simone, apri il terminale\n<krabador> Simone, va nella cartella in cui l'hai scaricato\n<krabador> e mandi dpkg -i pacchetto\n<krabador> dove pacchetto è il nome del pacchetto che hai scaricato\n<Simone> e chiudo il package? mando subito nel terminale dpkg -i pacchetto?\n<type> krabador scusa se ti stresso\n<type> installo prima win?\n<krabador> Simone, non lo devi toccare\n<type> e poi ubuntu\n<type> ?\n<krabador> Simone, il package manager\n<krabador> type, non hai nulla in questo pc ?\n<Simone> lo lascio aperto\n<type> ho backuppato tutto ;)\n<type> posso fare tutto\n<krabador> Simone, chiudilo\n<krabador> non ci devi fare niente\n<type> vi prego aiutatemi non ne posso piu\n<type> :)\n<Simone> vai nella cartella, quali comandi prima di quelli che mi hai dato?\n<krabador> type, ripristina il pc con la partizione di ripristino\n<type> cioe?\n<krabador> type, consulta il manuale del notebook\n<krabador> che trovi sul sito del produttore\n<type> non ce\n<krabador> si\n<type> perche prima c era win8\n<type> e l ho levato\n<krabador> type, allora\n<Simone> cioè apro il terminale e dò subito dpkg -i pacchetto? non ho capito, perchè se faccio subito così mi dice che non ho i privilegi\n<krabador> type, puoi ripristinare il pc, con la partizione di ripristino,che usi richiamandola come dice il manuale del notebook\n<type> l hard disk è stato piallato\n<type> non ci sono partizioni di ripristino\n<type> :)\n<krabador> type, allora puoi mettere quello che ti pare\n<type> ok adesso\n<type> ce win\n<type> in una partizione e nell altra niente\n<type> metto live ubuntu\n<type> e non mi riconosce le partizioni\n<type> vede lhard disk come se fosse vuoto\n<krabador> type, o non c'è niente , o c'è qualcosa in questo pc, deciditi\n<type> krabador non ci stiamo capendo mi sa\n<krabador> <type> perche prima c era win8\n<krabador> <type> e l ho levato\n<krabador> <type> l hard disk è stato piallato\n<krabador> <type> non ci sono partizioni di ripristino\n<krabador> <type> :)\n<krabador> <type> installo prima win?\n<krabador> <type> e poi ubuntu\n<krabador> <type> ?\n<type> so leggere\n<krabador> <type> ok adesso\n<krabador> <type> ce win\n<type> non ti preoccupare\n<type> risolvo io\n<vice_> wow\n<Fetentone> stabbene\n<Simone> krabador...puoi rispondermi..\n<krabador> Simone, allora, dove hai scaricato il file?\n<Simone> come dicevo prima\n<krabador> in che cartella\n<Simone> come la posso vedere?\n<krabador> il browser ha scaricato direttamente?\n<Simone> penso di sì, dal sito\n<krabador> allora cd scaricati\n<krabador> cd Scaricati\n<krabador> ls\n<krabador> e controlli se c'è il file\n<krabador> se c'è , copi il nome, scrivi sudo dpkg -i e incolli\n<krabador> oppure scrivi sudo dpkg -i goog , poi premi tab e lui autocompleta il nome del file\n<krabador> e premi invio\n<krabador> poi pastebin\n<Simone> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7498905/\n<vice_> krabador\n<krabador> Simò hai scaricato il deb dal sito google che ti ho dato prima?\n<krabador> o no?\n<Simone> si\n<krabador> <krabador> Simone, va nella cartella in cui l'hai scaricato\n<krabador> <krabador> e mandi dpkg -i pacchetto\n<krabador> <krabador> dove pacchetto è il nome del pacchetto che hai scaricato\n<krabador> voleva significare che non dovevi proprio scrivere \"dpkg -l pacchetto\"\n<krabador> ma \"pacchetto\" deve essere il nome del file\n<krabador> in ogni caso, devi vedere dove è finito\n<krabador> riapri il browser, controlla la cronologia dei download\n<krabador> e vedi in che cartella è finito\n<vice_> fratello\n<Simone> è in /tmp\n<krabador> Simone, che browser usi, firefox?\n<Simone> si\n<krabador> Simone, allora, va nelle impostazioni di firefox\n<krabador> imposta con \"chiedi dove salvare ogni file \"\n<Simone> ok\n<krabador> poi , va a riscaricare il pacchetto in una cartella a tua scelta\n<krabador> Simone, poi nel terminale mandi cd cartellachehaiscelto\n<Simone> devo procedere ad un nuovo download\n<krabador> dove cartellachehaiscelto è il percorso completo della cartella che hai scelto per il download\n<krabador> vice_, che problema hai ?\n<Valgio63> krabador, ciao\n<mario_> Salve\n<krabador> wei Valgio63\n<Valgio63> krabador, ti ricordi il problemino con Documenti Recenti che non va? Non è il fatto che ho montato i dischi all'avvio e che Documenti è su una di queste partizioni, l'ho fatto sullaltra partizione (quella in cui provo di tutto) e non lo fa.\n<sin___> hola!volevo disabilitare la sessione ospite su ubuntu 13.10 e seguendo una guida ho fatto un casino\n<amos_> salve\n<amos_> velocemente come faccio a creare una penna con ubuntu?\n<Valgio63> amos_, una penna con ubuntu in live?\n<amos_> si però voglio formattare il pc perchè no si avvia\n<amos_> no\n<amos_> lo devo scaricare?\n<Valgio63> amos_, ma ci vuoi installare ubuntu o cosa?\n<krabador> amos_, quale sistema hai?\n<krabador> per fare la pendrive?\n<amos_> il pc è bloccato c'era lubuntu\n<ador> salve a tutti\n<ador> sono nuovo\n<ador> a chi posso chiedere?\n<jester-> beato te\n<krabador> amos_, e in quale sistema vuoi fare la pendrive?\n<jester-> !chiedi | ador\n<ubot-it> ador: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<ador> ok\n<sin___> credo che dovrei cancellare \"lightdm.conf\" ma non me lo fa fare\n<jester-> sin___: e poi come avvii\n<sin___> il fatto è che quando avvio con quello mi spegne il monitor\n<amos_> sto scaricando ubuntu voglio creare una penna per partire da boot\n<jester-> sin___: hai fatto qualche cannibalismo al lightdm?\n<jester-> amos_: da quale sistema\n<ador> sono nuovo di ubuntu. e vorrei installaro per la prima volta su un HD partizionato. per farlo partire d una pendrive come devo fare?\n<sin___> volevo disab.la sessione ospie.lo apro e nn c'è scritto nulla dentro.copio una guida trovata su internet ,riaccendo e nn funziona.ora sto con una chiavetta di prova\n<Riccardone> !usb | ador\n<ubot-it> ador: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/DaSupportoUsb\n<jester-> ador: da quale sistema devi crare la penna\n<jester-> creare*\n<ador> win7\n<krabador> amos_, scusami, e 3 , in quale sistema vuoi creare la pendrive\n<krabador> amos_, che sistema hai a disposizione , adesso, per fare la pendrive?\n<krabador> !usbwin | ador\n<ubot-it> ador: Scarica Universal USB Installer (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/) | Installalo su Windows e lancialo: lui si occuperà di trasferire l'immagine ISO su USB | Opzionalmente questo programma può anche scaricare lui stesso l'immagine ISO | Attenzione: il programma è in inglese\n<krabador> !usbwin | amos_\n<jester-> sin___: basta fafre seguire la stessa guida al contrario e la prossima volta ricordarsi di fare la copie dei files che si modificano\n<ubot-it> amos_: Scarica Universal USB Installer (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/) | Installalo su Windows e lancialo: lui si occuperà di trasferire l'immagine ISO su USB | Opzionalmente questo programma può anche scaricare lui stesso l'immagine ISO | Attenzione: il programma è in inglese\n<Riccardone> ador: segui le istruzioni del bot\n<ador> ho demon tools, può servire?\n<jester-> ador: segui le guide\n<sin___> si ma non riesco ad entrare con il sistema 13.10,adesso sto provando a cancellare il contenuto del file ma è bloccato\n<amos_> grazie provo\n<jester-> sin___: vai in shell e dai startx\n<sin___> come faccio ad andare in shell?\n<jester-> sin___: control-alt-F2 ti autentichi e dai il comando\n<sin___> ci provo,e poi dopo il comando\n<sin___> ?\n<valentino> ciao\n<valentino> a tutti!\n<valentino> c'è qualcuno che mi aiuterebbe con ubuntu?\n<krabador> !chiedi\n<ubot-it> per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<valentino> premetto che sono utente winsozz...purtroppo\n<valentino> è la prima volta che uso ubuntu\n<valentino> fino ad ora sono riuscito ad installare ubuntu in dual boot con windows 7 e a creare il dualboot per la scelta del sistema tramite ubuntu richiamando un comando sul terminale\n<valentino> fino ad ora tutto ok\n<valentino> ma la connessione ad internet in ubuntu non vuole proprio funzionare ! come operatore ho fastweb\n<krabador> valentino, tramite wireless o cavo ?\n<valentino> cavo solo cavo\n<krabador> quale ubuntu ?\n<valentino> la connessione ethernet tenta sempre di collegarsi ma mi dice dopo un po sono disconnesso, l'ubunto installato è l'ultimo quello pubblicato sul sito\n<valentino> 14.04 lts\n<krabador> valentino, sudo lshw -C network\n<valentino> ehm..posso segnarlo perchè ora sono su windows 7 e mi scollegherei dalla chat\n<valentino> ma questo comando lo devo fare mentre tenta di collegarsi o da disconnesso?\n<valentino> provo solo questo comando e poi ti faccio sapere cosa dice?\n<krabador> questo comando dice di preciso che hardware di rete hai\n<krabador> e con questo , si puo' focalizzare il problema\n<valentino> ok allora esco e rientro..faccio subito\n<sin_> non funziona\n<sin_> lightdm.conf non riesco modificarlo\n<valentino> ciao eccomi\n<valentino> ecco il log\n<valentino> sudo] password for linux: *-network description: Ethernet interface product: RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. physical id: 0 bus info: pci@0000:03:00.0 logical name: eth0 version: 06 serial: 74:d4:35:09:aa:56 size: 100Mbit/s capacity: 1Gbit/s width: 64 bits clock: 33\n<krabador> valentino, la wireless\n<valentino> la wireless cosa?\n<krabador> non hai una scheda wireless\n<valentino> si lo so difatti ti avevo detto che avevo solo il cavo ethernet e quindi mi collegherei solo col cavo ethernet\n<valentino> come faccio con windows\n<krabador> valentino, devi incollare in pastebin\n<valentino> pastebin?\n<krabador> !pastebin | valentino\n<ubot-it> valentino: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<krabador> per intero il risultato del comando\n<valentino> !pastebin\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<jester-> lol\n<valentino> fatto\n<jester-> valentino: lol leggere le istruzioni del bot no?\n<valentino> scusate ma non lo sapevo\n<jester-> !paste | valentino\n<ubot-it> valentino: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<valentino> non succederà più\n<valentino> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7499269/\n<jester-> valentino: lspci | grep -i network\n<valentino> ok riva e ritorno grazie per la pazienza...volo\n<valentino> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<valentino> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7499307/\n<valentino> eccomi questo è il log http://paste.ubuntu.com/7499307/\n<jester-> valentino: non hai una scheda wifi integrata\n<valentino> no\n<jester-> valentino: allora che probleima hai\n<jester-> problema*\n<valentino> avevo detto a krabador che non riuscivo a collegarmi con il cavo di rete\n<valentino> non funziona la connessione tenta sempre di collegarsi ma non va e mi disconnette sempre\n<jester-> valentino: ho la tua steessa scheda eth e mai avuto problemi fa vedere risposta a ifconfig\n<valentino> ifconfig lo devo fare mentre tenta la connessione o in modalita disconnect?\n<jester-> fallo e basta\n<valentino> un'altr cosa ma è normale che quando entro in ubuntu per 10 15 sec buoni lampeggia sempre lo schermo?\n<jester-> valentino: installazione fresca?\n<valentino> si\n<valentino> normale?\n<jester-> secondome è venuta farlocca, controlla md5sum della iso, se giusto rifai la usb e reinstalla\n<jester-> !md5sum\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Md5Sum\n<jester-> valentino: tipo di ubuntu installato?\n<valentino> 14.04 lts\n<jester-> ok\n<valentino> come si verifica se la iso è corrotta o meno?\n<jester-> !md5sum\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Md5Sum\n<valentino> ok grazie verifico subito\n<valentino> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<valentino> ho il log di ifconfig http://paste.ubuntu.com/7499408/\n<valentino> l'impronta di md5sum è corretta e l'iso va bene\n<jester-> valentino: proverei prima a cambiare cavo\n<jester-> usando quello in dotazione al rutter\n<valentino> il fatto è che su windows 7 funziona\n<jester-> stesso cavo?\n<valentino> eh si\n<jester-> reinstalla va\n<jester-> valentino: che provider hai che vedo un ip strano\n<jester-> fartweb?\n<valentino_> eh si ho fastweb\n<jester-> facile che devi farti resettare l'hug\n<jester-> non ti assegna l'ip\n<valentino_> non ho l'hag ma un modem dsl ormai gli hag sono spariti\n<jester-> va bè reinstalla se no si sistema senti l'assistemza fart che è un problema del loro router\n<valentino_> le ho provate tutte anche dal bios\n<jester-> valentino_: la eth è su\n<valentino_> fartweb suona proprio come una scorreggia!\n<jester-> valentino_: modifica connessioni è in dhcp?\n<valentino_> no non ho modificato nulla\n<jester-> valentino_: installando scaricava aggionamenti?\n<valentino_> no mi diceva prima dell'installazione che non c'era linea dsl e tra l'altro no nmi ha riconosciuto il sistema windows 7 all'inizio dell'installazione mi diceva che nessun sistema operativo era presente\n<valentino_> ho installato ubuntu in una partizione ext4 with joi ..qualcosa\n<jester-> valentino_: winz7 rilascia il filesystem o congela\n<valentino_> dove lo rilascia?\n<jester-> se congela mi sa che non rilascia nemmeno la scheda\n<valentino_> windows non mi ha mai crashato\n<jester-> valentino_: da live navigava o non hai provato\n<valentino_> se per live intendi la prova di ubunto senza installazione non non ha mai navigato\n<valentino_> all'inizio ho dovuto richiamare sudo update-grub se no manco il dualbot avevo partiva direttamente ubuntu senza avviare mai win7\n<jester-> nell'icona la rete è attiva?\n#ubuntu-it 2014-05-22\n<dulcinea> ciao a tutti, ho un problema con installazione scanner\n<dulcinea> se qualcuno può aiutarmi espongo il problema\n<suziseguzi> hello anyone ON ?\n<krabador> !english | suziseguzi\n<ubot-it> suziseguzi: Please join the international channel #ubuntu if you want to speak english. Here only italian language is permitted. Thank you\n<ador> salve\n<ador> ho caricato ubuntu sulla pendrive, ma non riesco a farlo partire come boot\n<krabador> ador, hai usato http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ ?\n<ador> ho usato lili usb creator\n<krabador> !usbwin | ador\n<ubot-it> ador: Scarica Universal USB Installer (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/) | Installalo su Windows e lancialo: lui si occuperà di trasferire l'immagine ISO su USB | Opzionalmente questo programma può anche scaricare lui stesso l'immagine ISO | Attenzione: il programma è in inglese\n<suziseguzi> krab Mi scuso per quello che ho detto in inglese, italiano e male ho pensato che qualcuno mi potrebbe aiutare di tradurre alcune parole da Inglese a Italiano\n<krabador> suziseguzi, questo sito è adibito al supporto ufficiale italiano di ubuntu\n<suziseguzi> Lo so e mi scuso per questo! Non sapevo dove altro chiedere\n<krabador> !chat | suziseguzi\n<ubot-it> suziseguzi: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<ador> l'anti virus mi blocca autorun.inf\n<ador> è importante?\n<krabador> disabilita un attimo l'antivirus\n<ador> può essere per questo che dal bios non visualizzavo la pennetta?\n<krabador> no, piu' per il programma che hai usato\n<dulcinea> installazione scanner, chiedo supporto\n<krabador> dulcinea, cerca di tornare ad un orario piu' trafficato\n<ador> ho passato il programma sulla pennetta con successo, ma comunque non riesco a lanciarlo dal bios perché non lo vede come boot\n<ador> come posso fare?\n<ador> notebook è un samsung del 2011\n<akis24> giorno\n<fra_dolcino> un aiuto per la stampante wireless canon mg3550, non riesco a trovare IP per connettermi al pannello della stampante, insomma rilevarla prima di installare i driver\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, ma non fai tutto dal display della stampante?\n<fra_dolcino> ho seguito le istruzioni del manuale, per connetterla al router via WPS\n<cristian_c> asppunto\n<fra_dolcino> purtroppo non ha display, stampante economica\n<cristian_c> ah\n<cristian_c> lol\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, ora ti spiego\n<fra_dolcino> la procedura è tenere premuto tasto wireless printer, entro due minuti, tenere premto tasto wps sul router\n<cristian_c> esatto\n<fra_dolcino> a quel punto network manager mi rileva una connessione fantomatica chiamata RT5390_1\n<fra_dolcino> invece dovrebbe chiamarsi Canon Ij Setup qualcosa del genere\n<cristian_c> ok\n<fra_dolcino> al primo tentativo me l'ha visto pa poi è sparito\n<cristian_c> To confirm that your printer is successfully connected to your wireless network, you can print out the network settings of your printer if you wish:\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, questo forse potrei farlo dall'altro pc connesso via cavo usb alla stampante\n<fra_dolcino> perché su questo non ho ancora installato i driver e sull'altro è possibile stampare solo via cavo\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, ma l'hai già installata via usb al pc?\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, prima devi installarla via cavo\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, insomma, installa prima i driver\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c,\n<cristian_c> altrimenti non la puoi usare manco via wifi\n<fra_dolcino> fra_dolcino, dall'altro pc l'ho fatto ma non la rileva quando tento utilizzo wireless\n<cristian_c> lol\n<fra_dolcino> è una cosa successa dopo aver resettato il router\n<fra_dolcino> prima funzionava\n<cristian_c> lol\n<fra_dolcino> aveva il suo ip\n<fra_dolcino> mo è scomparso\n<fra_dolcino> :)\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, sei sicuro non sia un problema del router?\n<fra_dolcino> che ti devo dì\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, non sono sicuro\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, controlla la documentazione e le impostazioni del router\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, non mi viene in mente cosa dovrei controllare sul router e che ho dimenticato di settare dopo il resettaggio\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, ad esempio il supporto alla stampa e il wps\n<fra_dolcino> qualcosa che riguarda wireless network sicuramente, ma cosa\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, dipende dal modello del router, controlla la documentazione\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, alla sezione wps c'è SSID, ci va sempre il nome del router?\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, non ho il tuo router davanti\n<cristian_c> ma non hai un manuale?\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, si, c'è nel pannello di controllo\n<cristian_c> ti avranno dato un disco con il pdf\n<ExPBoy> lol\n<cristian_c> oppure lo reperisci al sito ufficiale\n<ExPBoy> fra_dolcino: che router è?\n<ExPBoy> (economico come la stampante?)\n<cristian_c> lol\n<fra_dolcino> esatto\n<cristian_c> lol\n<fra_dolcino> ExPBoy, router è dlink-go n150\n<fra_dolcino> si è impallato un bel giorno e ho dovuto resettarlo, perché continuava a riallinearsi\n<cristian_c> buttalo via\n<fra_dolcino> da allora è sparito ip stampante\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, fa schifo?\n<ExPBoy> fra_dolcino: ma è un adattatore usb?\n<cristian_c> <fra_dolcino> si è impallato un bel giorno e ho dovuto resettarlo, perché continuava a riallinearsi\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, perché non fai un test e poi controlli il log del router?\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, ma prima premi il pulsante wps sul router e poi il corrispondente sulla stampante?\n<fra_dolcino> rieccomi\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, no prima tasto wireless stampante, poi quello su router\n<cristian_c> io leggo il contrario\n<cristian_c> perché prima va attivato il wps sul router\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, l'ho letto sul manuale della canon\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, tu dove hai letto?\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, sul manuale canon non trovo scritto di premere il pulsante wps sul router\n<cristian_c> ah, s, hai ragione\n<cristian_c> *sì\n<cristian_c> For exact details on starting WPS on your access point, please refer to its user guide.\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, magari per il d-link è diverso\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, comunque, fai come suggerito\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, entrambe le prove e controlla il log\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, questa è la pagina router, sezione wps http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_-_22052014_-_10_45_57-BMDxQWLc.png\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, ho guardato log ma non ci capisco una mazza\n<cristian_c> lol\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, pastebinna\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, o meglio, prova a invertire i tasti\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7500676/ log router (c'è pure la data sballata e non capisco quanto tiene traccia)\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, dici di fare al contrario: tenere premuto wps e poi andare a pigiare tasto wireless stampante\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, devi assicurarti che il wps sia attivo sul router\n<cristian_c> puoi accertarlo?\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, si, WPS state: configured\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, intendo, esteriormente\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, la prima volta che l'ho installata, bastava scansionare IP e trovarla nell'elenco, ora non si capisce azzo è successo\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, intendi se è acceso il led\n<cristian_c> se è spento è disattivato, se lampeggia è attivo\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, il led wps sta acceso per qualche istante dopo che premi, lampeggia un po' e poi si spegne\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, per quanto tempo l'hai tenuto premuto?\n<fra_dolcino> il fatto è che non hai nessun feedback di quello che fai, appunto con un display sulla stampante sarebbe stato più semplice\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, una decina di secondi\n<cristian_c> loooooool\n<cristian_c> WPS\n<cristian_c> Press the button and let go after 1 second to enable WPS\n<cristian_c> function.\n<fra_dolcino> almeno ti dice: qualcosa \"errore\", \"fanculo\"\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, lol\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, nel manuale diceva \"hold\" io per hold ho inteso un po' di secondi :)\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<fra_dolcino> bella jester-\n<jester-> aiò fra_dolcino\n<fra_dolcino> jester-, ti ricordi la menata con nvidia? magari anche no, però te lo dico lo stesso, non avevo installato nvidia-331.38-updates\n<fra_dolcino> ci vogliono anche updates se no nvidia-prime non funge\n<jester-> fra_dolcino: non ci volgono aupdate bobmaleee usa il 304 e prime il 331\n<fra_dolcino> ora c'è però un fantomatico bug che quando usi nvidia-prime swichato appunto su nvidia, ti fa congelare lo schermo se usi touchpad\n<jester-> ne updare o altro\n<fra_dolcino> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1220426\n<ubot-it> Launchpad bug 1220426 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-331 \"[nvidia-prime]Freeze while using touchpad\" [Critical,Confirmed]\n<fra_dolcino> questo\n<jester-> fra_dolcino: e il driver 14.04 è automatico e fa lo switch da solo quando serve\n<fra_dolcino> jester-, a me stava sempre su nvidia, allora l'ho spostato su intel\n<fra_dolcino> anche perché se no c'è sta menata che ti si congela lo schermo ogni 2x3 se usi touchpad\n<jester-> metti il 331 normmale\n<fra_dolcino> senza update?\n<jester-> se poi è buggato lo fixeranno\n<jester-> fra_dolcino: update non è il normale\n<fra_dolcino> jester-, senza update non rilevava proprio invidia\n<jester-> balle\n<fra_dolcino> se andavi su nvidia-settings, ti usciva una finestrella d'errore senza alcun messaggio\n<fra_dolcino> jester-, te lo giuro! :)\n<fra_dolcino> mica vengo qua a diffondere disinformazioni e a confondere gli utenti e i volontari\n<ExPBoy> uhm\n<fra_dolcino> :)\n<jester-> fra_dolcino: togli 331 e nvidia-prime e metti bumblebee-nvidia che si insallerà per dipendenza il 304\n<jester-> fra_dolcino: prime è instabile non quaglia con tutti gli hw\n<fra_dolcino> jester-, lo prendo in considerazione\n<jester-> fra_dolcino: non è che 304 o 331 faccia differenza\n<jester-> 331 supporta schede piu recenti e stop\n<fra_dolcino> jester-, ok, proverò però ho letto che a qualcuno rimane il bug che dicevo anche con bumblebee\n<jester-> non è che avendo il 304 il pc da 1000 cocozze diventi un pc da 1500\n<jester-> fra_dolcino: se poi è un bug biogna aspettare il fix\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, ora l'ha rilevata, dopo il secondo resettaggio\n<fra_dolcino> è tornato il vecchio IP\n<shadow91> ciao come si fa ad usare una chiavetta internet su lubuntu?\n<jester-> shadow91: la attacchi e se compatibile la rileva\n<jester-> se non compatibile devi andare a trovarti drivers, se esistono, o il workaround\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, ora funge?\n<shadow91> jester-: ho provato con una , lei si accende ma non veniva rilevata\n<jester-> shadow91: cerca su gogol con stringa: modello esatto key ubuntu\n<fra_dolcino> vodafone aveva un progetto per i driver delle loro chiavette, mi pare si chimasse betavine\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, ?\n<fra_dolcino> https://forge.betavine.net/projects/vodafonemobilec/ nel caso usi vodafone\n<jester-> non è vadofone o altro , è il tipo di key\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, io parlavo della stampante\n<jester-> mica le fanno i provider\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, ma che ne sò, ho resettato, riconfigurato il router come prima, schiacciato wps, fatto ipscan e ho visto il vecchio ip\n<cristian_c> fra_dolcino, ma funge o no ora?\n<fra_dolcino> jester-, ho capito però vodafone avrà la convenzione con una specifica casa produttrice, ora non ricordo se zte o altro\n<jester-> fra_dolcino: ma lo sai cosa serve wps sul dlink?\n<jester-> serve a filtrare la lan\n<fra_dolcino> jester-, e cosa filtra?\n<jester-> la lan filtra\n<fra_dolcino> cristian_c, funge ora :)\n<cristian_c> ok\n<jester-> fra_dolcino: leggi il manuale e se hai il mio stesso tipo avrai pure le eh sul retro scassate\n<jester-> dgn2000 va solo in wifi le eth defungono dopo breve uso\n<jester-> me lo hanno cambiaot due volte e sempre defunte,è un modello roganto\n<jester-> rognato\n<pazzoide> ciau, qualcuno mi dà una mano con questa scheda di rete usb: conceptronic c150ru? sono alle prime armi\n<jester-> di rete usb? mai viste\n<pazzoide> è una chiavetta usb wireless\n<jester-> è internet key la rete non centra\n<jester-> pazzoide: modello?\n<pazzoide> no non è una chiavetta dei gestori telefonici, è una scheda di rete usb wireless\n<jester-> pazzoide: mai vista\n<pazzoide> da lsusb http://pastebin.com/g11E1y0h\n<pazzoide> ma non credo la rilevi correttamente...\n<jester-> pazzoide: intendi schedas usb wifi?\n<pazzoide> esatto\n<jester-> iwconfig la vede?\n<Fly80> io ne avevo una di usb wireless\n<pazzoide> iwconfig sì, ma ifconfig no\n<Fly80> un bordello anni fa per farla andare\n<Fly80> auguri pazzoide :D\n<pazzoide> T_T\n<pazzoide> infatti ci sto impazzendo\n<jester-> pazzoide: sudo iwlist wlan0 scan\n<Fly80> nel dmesg te la rileva quando la inserisci?\n<Fly80> basta che vedi cosa ti scrive appena la inserisci\n<Fly80> e magari capisci il tipo di driver che ti serve\n<pazzoide> il comando di jester mi dice: network is down\n<pazzoide> quello che mi propone fly va oltre le mie capacità >.<\n<Fly80> pazzoide, basta che scrivi dmesg e ti stampa un log\n<jester-> pazzoide: rfkill list\n<pazzoide> fly, e come lo pesco dalla lista infinita?\n<Fly80> alla fine\n<Fly80> tu stacca la usb\n<Fly80> poi la riattacchi\n<Fly80> e vedi le ultime righe nuove che ti scrive\n<jester-> pazzoide: rfkill list\n<Fly80> ma fai quel che dice jester prima :)\n<pazzoide> installo rfkill e rivo\n<jester-> è gia installato\n<pazzoide> nu\n<jester-> se no non hai ubuntu\n<pazzoide> ubuntu servre\n<pazzoide> rfkill list http://pastebin.com/pqdLUsU4\n<cristian_c> pazzoide, non hai la gui?\n<pazzoide> nu\n<cristian_c> tutto a riga di comando?\n<pazzoide> sì\n<cristian_c> pazzoide, provare a usare il network manager da terminale\n<Guest20435> ciao ho inserito la mia olicard 100 in lubuntu ma non la rileva come risolvo?\n<Fly80> cmq mi fa ridere il nick pazzoide ogni volta che lo si usa nella frase :D\n<pazzoide> ^^\n<Fly80> pazzoide, hai provato a vedere che cosa ti rileva quando inserisci la wifi usb?\n<cristian_c> !info nmcli\n<ubot-it> Package nmcli does not exist in saucy\n<jester-> pazzoide: se non hai dimestichezza con la bash installati openbox\n<jester-> o devi farti tutto a mano connessione compresa\n<pazzoide> dmesg riattacando la chiavetta dà (nelle ultime righe) http://pastebin.com/BQcwaNUm\n<jester-> pazzoide: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmbienteGrafico/Openbox\n<pazzoide> faccio a mano perchè il pc è vecchiotto\n<jester-> e come la fai la connessione\n<jester-> mica la fa da solo\n<pazzoide> intanto deve vedere la chiavetta correttamente, poi mi guarderò qualche guida\n<pazzoide> una cosa per volta ^^\n<jester-> o usi una gui nm o scrivi i files a mano\n<cristian_c> pazzoide, io eviterei di cercare info a caso sul web\n<cristian_c> per non far danni\n<jester-> se iwconfig la vede è rielvata\n<jester-> se non connessa con ip ifconfig non la vede\n<cristian_c> pazzoide, ma che pc è?\n<pazzoide> hmmm quindi una volta impostata la connessione alla ssid compare anche in ifconfig?\n<jester-> metti un server senza grafica se non conosci comandi e struttura nm dove vai\n<cristian_c> pazzoide, in ifoconfig già compare\n<cristian_c> pazzoide, ma ti intendi di server?\n<cristian_c> *ifconfig\n<pazzoide> no christian non compare in ifgonfig\n<jester-> ma va\n<cristian_c> pazzoide, impossibile\n<pazzoide> ovviamente non mi intendo id server\n<cristian_c> looool\n<jester-> pazzoide: installa openbox che quanto meno hai una minimo di grafica\n<cristian_c> <cristian_c> pazzoide, ma che pc è?\n<jester-> che poi la normale per usi domestici fa quello che fa la server\n<pazzoide> ma non sono i comandi a crearmi problemi, la grafica fa la stessa cosa, solo che do io i comandi.\n<jester-> pazzoide: ma sai quello che devi e stai facendo?\n<cristian_c> pazzoide, con la gui non hai bisogno di comandi per stabilire la connessione\n<cristian_c> fai tutto da applet del network manager\n<pazzoide> quasi quasi provo, mi hai convinto. poi si puo' rimuovere la gui, nel caso?\n<cristian_c> <cristian_c> pazzoide, ma che pc è?\n<pazzoide> un pc che uso per fare cose da pazzoide (sperimento)\n<jester-> pazzoide: non sai un cazzo di server e di comandi bash vuoi fare senza la grafica?\n<pazzoide> beh due cosine le so, ma con la gui non si impara mai nulla\n<cristian_c> mi sembra che ti manchino le basi\n<pazzoide> imparo quando cozzo davanti a un problema, cioè sempre ^^\n<jester-> pazzoide: eh allora ti devi studiare la struttura del server e le sue logiche, quindi scrivere i files a mano\n<jester-> sapendo cosa ci scrivi\n<cristian_c> non si può mica fare a caso\n<jester-> mica impari in 5 minuti\n<cristian_c> non è proprio l'approccio giusto\n<jester-> bisogna partire dalle basi\n<pazzoide> e quali sarebbero?\n<pazzoide> cmq, non è che voglio diventare amministratore di sistemi\n<jester-> linguaggio bash, struttura del server\n<jester-> come funza il network su un server, regole iptables etc etc\n<pazzoide> il mio scopo è solo mettere su un serverino che condivida una connessione a internet tra 2 schede, niente di impoosibile\n<jester-> a scuolo mica si comincia dalle medie\n<jester-> pazzoide: nulla è impossibile ma si devono le relative conoscenze\n<jester-> anche se elementari\n<ExPBoy> uhm\n<pazzoide> beh su quelle cose ci sono un sacco di wiki\n<pazzoide> cmq sono connesso con ssh al server, quindi niente gui\n<jester-> pazzoide: allora segui il wiki\n<pazzoide> ;)\n<pazzoide> grazie a tutti per il tempo concessomi per le mie pazzie, molto gentili\n<jester-> pazzoide: per non imparare non c'è niente di meglio che usare il copia incolla senza capire sapere cosa fa il comando\n<pazzoide> ottima osservazione\n<ExPBoy> ma va?\n<jester-> semplice logica\n<ExPBoy> che poi se mettevi la versione desktop facevi prima\n<jester-> non è figa\n<ExPBoy> non è che se si chiama server funziona da solo\n<pazzoide> si può togliere poi la gui?\n<jester-> anzi ha meno utilità installate\n<ExPBoy> ma perchè?\n<jester-> anzi non ne ha prorpio\n<pazzoide> è pesante\n<ExPBoy> hai un pc della discarica?\n<jester-> pazzoide: basta non farla partire\n<pazzoide> quasi\n<ExPBoy> eh allora ...\n<pazzoide> lo uso come versione di prova\n<pazzoide> per provare se va tutto\n<ExPBoy> sarebbe come provare con la nonna... (vabbhe lasciamo stare)\n<jester-> non usandola è coe se non ci fosse , altra cosa logica, se poi il pc fa fatica con openbox è solo da portare in discarica\n<cristian_c> ExPBoy, lol\n<pazzoide> ahah\n<cristian_c> pazzoide, che caratteristiche ha?\n<ExPBoy> è bianco\n<pazzoide> e suda\n<ExPBoy> pazzoide: seriamente se è troppo scrauso non ne ricavi niente\n<ExPBoy> secondo me ha 512 di ram\n<pazzoide> sto provando con la gui\n<pazzoide> si èimpallato :/\n<ExPBoy> eh\n<ExPBoy> riportalo dove l'hai trovato :)\n<pazzoide> :)\n<pazzoide> vabeh, tempo esaurito, grazie a tutti =)\n<pazzoide> ciao!\n<jester-> madu\n<ExPBoy> lol\n<gen> Salve, ho da poco installato per la prima volta il sistema operativo Ubuntu.\n<gen> Sto provando a scaricare dei software tramite l'Ubuntu Software centre, ma è tutto bloccato (in attesa). Come posso risolvere il problema?\n<gen_> Salve, ho da poco installato per la prima volta il sistema operativo Ubuntu. [13:14] <gen> Sto provando a scaricare dei software tramite l'Ubuntu Software centre, ma è tutto bloccato (in attesa). Come posso risolvere il problema?\n<gen_> ?\n<cristian_c> lol\n<cristian_c> gen_, bloccato in che senso?\n<jester-> gen_: 13.04 è vecchia\n<gen_> bloccato nel senso che mi da tutto in attesa e il download non prosegue\n<ExPBoy> server da cambiare\n<jester-> gen_: 13.04 è scaduta a gennaio ormale che non aggiorni. i server sono down\n<gen_> scusa jester, che intendi per 13.04? Io ho la 14.04 come versione di Ubuntu\n<gen_> e la 13.10 come versione del download centre\n<cristian_c> gen_, che errore ottieni?\n<gen_> Mi dà : installazione pacchetti. La barra che indica il progesso è ferma a metà e non va oltre. In più in coda ci sono altri download tutti in attesa.\n<cristian_c> gen_, ma la connessione funge?\n<gen_> yes\n<cristian_c> gen_, hai fatto gli aggiornamenti di sistema?\n<cristian_c> hai provato a cambiare server per i repo?\n<gen_> da sorgente software ho selezionato il server migliore... ma niente..\n<lord_ice> ciao a tutti\n<krabador> gen_, se hai il terminale aperto con l'operazione in corso, premi ctrl c\n<gen_> poi?\n<Vale_> ciao ho installato ubuntu ber bene e va una bomba, solo che durante la prima installazione ed ad ogni avvio lo schermo lampeggia come se il sistema dovesse stabilizzarsi poi dopo 30 sec va bene, però lo fa sempre come mai?\n<MANUEL__> ciao non riesco piu a fare gli aggiornamenti e mi dice che ci sono dei pacchetti non fidati python-lockfile\n<MANUEL__> help\n<LoZioNe> MANUEL_ ,vedi qua http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=579290\n<quintino> salve a tutti, ho installato ubuntu 14.04 su un notebook hp pavilion dv6 va tutto ok tranne il mouse, avvolte sebra tremare e altre volte si dissolve. Mi potreste aiutare? grazie\n<joke2k> salve a tutti\n<joke2k> devo decifrare questo messaggio di errore:\n<joke2k> The following packages have unmet dependencies: python-qgis : Depends: python-qgis-common (= 2.0.1-2build2) but 2.2.0-2~trusty1 is installed\n<joke2k> quando provo ad aggiornare il sistema\n<Fly80> joke2k, hai installato una versione di qgis diversa da quella nei repository?\n<joke2k> Fly80, non mi sembra, pero poco prima di installare qgis ho fatto il passaggio alla 14.04\n<joke2k> posso controllare nei sources.list?\n<joke2k> in generale non capisco perche mi dice quel messaggio, cosa fa scatenare quell'errore? se rimuovo python-qis?\n<ghigomatto> giorno a tutti\n<ghigomatto> problema (non so più che fare)...\n<ghigomatto> ho un sistema ubuntu 12.04 LTS Server, su cui devo implementare un servizio sftp utilizzando vsftpd.\n<ghigomatto> Il punto è che non riesco ad usare un utente locale per accedere al sistema in sftp e fare ciò che voglio all'interno della home-dir che ho deciso essere in jail.\n<ghigomatto> Insomma, non riesco a mettere in jail l'utenza (locale) utilizzanod le direttive di vsftpd. Ho notato che, pur avviando il processo, il servizio non genera il pid file, come invece succede regolarmante sui sistemi debian un pò più datati, e dove questo sistema funziona bene.\n<ghigomatto> Qualcuno sa come aiutarmi?\n<alice94> Ciao a tutti! C'è qualcuno esperto in installazione di ubuntu?\n<Paradisee> alice94: sei in canale sbagliato\n<Paradisee> e poi cos'è ubuntu\n<alice94> Qual è il canale giusto?\n<Paradisee> questo, chiedi pure\n<alice94> Ho provato ad installare ubuntu al posto di winXP, ma l'installazione si inchioda all'inizio, subito dopo il primo loading.\n<Paradisee> si inchioda per quanto?\n<alice94> Fisso. Resta la schermata grigia. Non mi fa scegliere nemmeno prova o installa\n<Paradisee> caratteristiche hardware?\n<Paradisee> versine di ubuntu?\n<Paradisee> in che modo lo installi?\n<alice94> Paradisee, CPU Intel Pentium D 3.4 Ghz 32bit. Ram: DDR2 1024x2. Scheda madre: AsRock, 775dual-vsta. Scheda grafica: NVIDIA GeForce 6600 128MB\n<alice94> Paradisee, ho provato sia usb che dvd\n<Paradisee> versine di ubuntu?\n<Paradisee> il computer non mi sembra del tutto adatto ad ubuntu\n<alice94> Paradisee, ho tentato con Ubuntu 13.04 (dvd), Ubuntu 14.04 (usb), Xubuntu 14.04 (usb), Xubuntu 12.04 (cd)\n<Paradisee> in ogni caso una versione i386, è una soluzione, poco soddisfacente\n<alice94> Paradisee, in che senso poco adatto?\n<Paradisee> stai provando ad installare una versione a 64bit?\n<alice94> No\n<alice94> 32 Bit\n<Paradisee> sicuro?\n<alice94> Paradisee, di cosa? Che il pc sia a 32bit o che io stia installando a 32 bit?\n<Paradisee> la seconda\n<alice94> Paradisee, 100%. Ho solo versioni 32bit. L'unica cosa che ha funzionato, è stato installare Lubuntu 12.04 alternative. Ma anche lì ho problemi, nel senso che si impalla spesso.\n<Paradisee> provato a far partire un live cd?\n<alice94> Paradisee, non mi fa scegliere prova o installa. Si blocca prima\n<Paradisee> sicuro che si blocchi, e non sta semplicemente facendo cose in background?\n<alice94> Paradisee, con Xubuntu viene una schermata grigia e fucsia, con Ubuntu una schermata grigia completamente.\n<Paradisee> quanto hai aspettato?\n<Paradisee> il tuo pc non è una bomba..\n<Paradisee> se prima non ti assicuri di aver fatto le cose come andrebbero fatte, non possiamo darti una mano\n<jester-> alice94: prima schermata prova ubuntu e sticass vari tato F6 e metti nomoeset\n<jester-> se poi hai una grafica sis non perdere tempo\n<alice94> Paradisee, Scusa, ma non è normale una schermata grigia e fucsia puntinata.\n<alice94> jester-, con prima schermata cosa intendi? Quando esce la scritta \"Ubuntu\" e sotto i pallini del loading?\n<Paradisee> alice94: semplicemente aspetta\n<Paradisee> datti un limite di 10 minuti, se va bene, altrimenti si procede in un altra maniera\n<jester-> alice94: al menu prova ubuntu unstalla ubuntu etc, intendo fcendo il boot da usb o cd\n<alice94> jester-, a quel menu non ci arriva nemmeno. Si blocca prima. E la scheda grafica è Nvidia GeForce da 128mb\n<Paradisee> prova kubuntu, senza perdere tempo\n<jester-> alice94: al boot come vedi l'omino sotto pigia entere veloce\n<alice94> jester-, ah, e da lì poi posso scegliere subito la modalità \"nomodeset\"?\n<alice94> Paradisee, perché dovrebbe funzionare kubuntu?\n<Paradisee> alice94: perchè il tuo pc è abbastanza vecchio\n<jimmib> salve sono alle prime armi chiedevo i comandi sul terminale per ripulire il sistema da file initillizzati grazie\n<jester-> alice94: da tasto F&\n<jester-> F6\n<jester-> scegli anche la lingua\n<jester-> !pulireubuntu ! jimmib\n<ubot-it> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)\n<jester-> !pulireubuntu | jimmib\n<ubot-it> jimmib: pulire ubuntu is http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/PulireUbuntu\n<alice94> jester-, grazie, ci provo appena torno dall'Uni!\n<carillon90> ciao a tutti\n<carillon90> volevo un'informazione penso abbastanza veloce...\n<carillon90> qual'è la differenza tra Ubuntu e Ubuntu della comunità ?\n<krabador> carillon90, in versione della comunità , c'è solo software opensource\n<krabador> all'interno.\n<carillon90> quindi conviene sempre prendere quella base?\n<carillon90> o è meglio quella della comunità ?\n<krabador> se installi quella della comunità italiana, sarà già in italiano\n<carillon90> che non è una brutta cosa in effetti... ;)\n<krabador> Stazioni radio italiane;\n<krabador> segnalibri di firefoz\n<krabador> firefox\n<carillon90> però Universal USB Installer non me la riconosce come versione di Ubuntu... :(\n<krabador> carillon90, imposta sempre ubuntu, e falla, dovrebbe andare lo stesso\n<carillon90> imposto ubuntu, ma non vede neanche la ISO...\n<krabador> carillon90, valla a selezionare a mano\n<krabador> imposta ubuntu, e poi clicca su sfoglia\n<carillon90> clicco su browse, vado nella pagina dove ho a iso e non la vede\n<krabador> carillon90, che estensione di file, è impostato a cercare, nella finestra \"browse\" ?\n<carillon90> se invece metto \"Try Unlisted Liinux Iso\" la vede\n<carillon90> iso\n<krabador> carillon90, allora, usa quest'opzione\n<carillon90> cambia niente, giusto?\n<krabador> quest'opzione ha delle impostazioni standard\n<carillon90> sennò faccio prima e la metto su disco ;)\n<krabador> carillon90, dai prova con la pendrive\n<carillon90> ci sto provando\n<krabador> carillon90, formata precedentemente la pendrive\n<carillon90> sìsì\n<carillon90> già fatto\n<carillon90> anche se avrei dovuto andare con un low format...\n<krabador> perchè, è rovinata?\n<carillon90> mi segnava che aveva solo 1gb disponibile invece che 2\n<krabador> dopo averla formattata, o prima?\n<carillon90> dopo\n<krabador> beh. non è il massimo\n<carillon90> massì, 1gb mi basta lo stesso ;)\n<krabador> non è una questione di spazio\n<krabador> ma di problemi in utilizzo\n<krabador> ed in assegnazione dei settori\n<carillon90> sìsì, lo so\n<carillon90> credo però che i \"gb\" mancanti siano presi da un precedente utilizzo come \"chiavetta boot\"\n<carillon90> quindi posso tranquillamente sistemare la cosa dopo l'installazione\n<fabio_> sera\n<carillon90> sera\n<krabador> carillon90, se hai \" un precedente utilizzo come \"chiavetta boot\" \" , dopo la formattazione hai tutto lo spazio della chiavetta\n<krabador> Universal USB Installer ed altri software, non nascondono lo spazio occupato per \"chiavetta boot\"\n<krabador> carillon90, preoccupati quindi.\n<spartacus_72> sera\n<ador> salve a tutti\n<akis24> sera\n<ador> chi mi può aiutare! ho scaricato ubuntu 14.04 amd64. l'ho aperto e messo in una pendrive con \"unversal usb installer\".\n<ador> non riesco andare oltre la prima scermata di ubuntu\n<krabador> ador, che cpu / ram /scheda video hai , con precisione ?\n<ador> ho una AMD A8 3510mx APU con radeon HD graphics 1.80ghz, con 4gb ram\n<carillon90> krabador, la chiavetta è stata creata\n<carillon90> ora mi accingo alla distr... ehm... all'installazione di ubuntu su pc\n<krabador> carillon90, riavvia, impostala come prima periferica di boot, seleziona \"prova ubuntu senza installare\"\n<krabador> hai già un'ubuntu da distruggere\n<krabador> ?\n<carillon90> no, magari... devo togliere un windows 8.1 e un linux mint...\n<krabador> ador, allora, al menu iniziale , premi f6 e seleziona nomodeset\n<krabador> ador, poi seleziona \"prova ubuntu senza installare\"\n<ador> ho provato prima ma si blocca cmq\n<ador> si blocca sulla scermata viola con la scritta ubuntu\n<carillon90> ciao a tutti, a quando ho finito l'installazione e comunque a presto ^^\n<ador> cmq adesso provo a riavviare e a selezionare nomodeset\n<ador> non dovrebbe bloccarsi più?\n<krabador> carillon90, se parte con \"prova ubuntu senza installare\" puoi provare il sistema, ed iniziare da li l'installazione\n<krabador> carillon90, anche entrare qui per problemi, se connesso in lan, o se ha una scheda wireless di cui ci sono già i drivers dentro il supporto installazione ubunt u\n<krabador> ador, seleziona nomodeset e vedi che succede\n<ador> ok\n<ador> a tra poco\n<ador> karbador-ho provato ma non sucede niente\n<krabador> ador, che scheda madre hai?\n<ador> karbador, onestamente desso non ricordo\n<ador> come posso fare a controllare?\n<krabador> che sistema operativo hai ?\n<ador> win7\n<krabador> ador, prova a rifare la pendrive con unetbootin\n<ador> ho già usato sia \"universal usb installer\" che lili \"linux live usb creator\" ma niente\n<krabador> ador, prova unetbootin\n<ador> arrivo alla schermata che mi chiede se o voglio installare o provare, ma entrambi si boccano quando appare la schermata viola con la scritta ubuntu e i cinque pallini sotto che cambiano colore\n<krabador> ador, prova unetbootin\n<ador> ok\n<ador> dove mi dice \"space used to preservd files across reboots\" cosa devo scrivere?\n<akis24> ador: ignoralo\n<dany_> ciao ragazzi\n<dany_> prima ero andato dove si parlava in inglese, ora è giusto\n<krabador> dany_, chiedi\n<dany_> si\n<dany_> ho installato ubuntustudio perchè compongo musica ma non riesco a far suonare la tastiera muta con i programmi inclusi\n<dany_> di ubuntustudio\n<krabador> dany_, sicuro che la tastiera sia compatibile con linux?\n<dany_> la tastiera è una UMA25S della behringer\n<dany_> con hydrogen ha suonato\n<krabador> dany_, apri il terminale, e manda lsusb\n<krabador> dany_, allora dipende dal supporto interno del singolo programma\n<dany_> ma hydrogen non ha synt\n<krabador> dany_, prova in ardour,\n<dany_> aspe che è da poco che sto provando linux!!!!!\n<dany_> devo scrivere solo lsusb?\n<dany_> fatto\n<krabador> pastebin | dany_\n<dany_> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:3070 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter\n<dany_> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 18a5:0302 Verbatim, Ltd 32GB Flash Drive\n<dany_> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub\n<dany_> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub\n<dany_> Bus 004 Device 004: ID 08bb:2902 Texas Instruments PCM2902 Audio Codec\n<dany_> cos'è sto pastebin? dove lo trovo'\n<dany_> ?\n<krabador> !pastebin | dany_\n<krabador> dany_, aspetta\n<krabador> dany_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/\n<krabador> dany_, è attaccata la tastiera?\n<dany_> si si\n<dany_> ho incollato elenco in pastebin ed ora?\n<krabador> clicca paste\n<krabador> e incolla qui il link\n<krabador> poi\n<dany_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7502969/\n<krabador> dany_, Bus 004 Device 003: ID 1397:01b4 BEHRINGER International GmbH\n<krabador> la keyboard viene vita\n<krabador> vista\n<krabador> è una questione dei singoli software host\n<dany_> ok, quindi un programma (non dico ai livelli di cubase che uso su windows) tu sai qualche nome?\n<dany_> per comporre?\n<krabador> dany_, su linux c'è ardour\n<krabador> che attualmente usano in diversi studi di registrazione\n<krabador> supporta mediamente i vst\n<krabador> dany_, lmms\n<krabador> un'altro studio\n<dany_> devo impostare però i driver..alsa,...\n<krabador> dany_, http://rafalcieslak.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/usb-midi-controllers-and-making-music-with-ubuntu/\n<krabador> dany_, linux per suonare ha jack\n<dany_> ok grazie buona serata\n<krabador> dany_, devi impostare quello\n<krabador> dany_, aspetta un attimo\n<dany_> si\n<krabador> dany_, http://linux-sound.org/\n<krabador> dany_, http://www.linux-audio.org/\n<krabador> dany_,\n<dany_> audio system ho solo JACK- driver mi da ALSA,.oss,dummy...\n<krabador> dany_, http://ardour.org/\n<krabador> dany_, jack è il protocollo audio piu' indicato per suonare\n<krabador> usato alla grande anche da interfacce focusrite, su linux\n<dany_> provo\n<dany_> è a pagamento vedo\n<krabador> non è a pagamento\n<krabador> dany_, terminale\n<krabador> dany_, sudo apt-cache search ardour\n<dany_> fatto ok\n<krabador> dany_, che risultato hai avuto ?\n<dany_> non vedo segnale in entrata\n<krabador> dany_, http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/start\n<dany_> quando premo i tasti della tastiera muta\n<krabador> dany_, \"non vedo segnale in entrata\" da cosa?\n<dany_> in ardour\n<krabador> dany_, scusami, se hai esperienza con cubase, sai di dover andare ad impostare il device all'interno del programma\n<dany_> certo certo\n<krabador> dany_, lo hai fatto in ardour ?\n<krabador> http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/start\n<Tanalitu> krabador, ciao. Ieri sera mi stavi aiutando con l'installazione di Ubuntu. Ho provato con Ubuntu 14.04, in \"nomodeset\", ma nulla. Fa qualche passo in più, nel senso che riesco più o meno ad arrivare alla scelta del download degli aggiornamenti e dei software di terze parti, ma poi si impalla.\n<krabador> Tanalitu, mi ripeti per favore le caratteristiche del pc?\n<krabador> Tanalitu, con precisione\n<Tanalitu> CPU Intel Pentium D 3.4 Ghz 32bit - Ram DDR2 1024x2 - Scheda madre: AsRock, 775dual-vsta - Scheda grafica: NVIDIA GeForce 6600 128MB - HDD: WD 1.0TB\n<krabador> Tanalitu, fa ripartire la live di ubuntu 14.04 , seleziona nomodeset, ma scegli prova ubuntu senza installare\n<Tanalitu> krabador, provato anche quello. Si impalla.\n<krabador> Tanalitu, dovresti dirmi cosa ti appare,nel verbose\n<Tanalitu> krabador, il verbose sarebbe la tabella con tutti i valori che appare sul desktop?\n<Tanalitu> krabador, il verbose sarebbe la tabella con tutti i valori che appare sul desktop?\n<krabador> Tanalitu, praticamente , quando selezioni \"prova ubuntu senza installare\" aspetti un attimo e premi un tasto freccia\n<krabador> tipo la freccia destra\n<krabador> ti appare il processo di caricamento testuale\n<Tanalitu_> krabador, scusa. E' saltata la corrente e non sono riuscito a leggere. Il verbose sarebbe quella tabella iniziale?\n<krabador> <krabador> Tanalitu, praticamente , quando selezioni \"prova ubuntu senza installare\" aspetti un attimo e premi un tasto freccia\n<krabador> <krabador> tipo la freccia destra\n<krabador> <krabador> ti appare il processo di caricamento testuale\n<Tanalitu_> krabador, sì, e cosa devo segnarmi?\n<krabador> tutto quello che ti dice\n<krabador> in particolar modom\n<krabador> quando si blocca\n<Tanalitu_> ah, okkey. Ci provo!\n<Tanalitu> krabador, allora. Mi ero dimenticato di specificare che facedo \"prova ubuntu\", arriva fino al desktop. Ma dopo pochi secondi, si blocca. Quindi non si blocca nel loading.\n<Tanalitu> krabador, comunque ho le scritte che dicevi\n<Tanalitu> krabador, ho messo il video delle scritte su youtube perché erano troppe da trascrivere. Ecco il link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwf0pIfPUZI\n<krabador> Tanalitu, ti parte\n<krabador> allora da li\n<krabador> devi aprire ilterminale\n<krabador> e mandare il comando dell'installer\n<krabador> in modo che se hai problemi te li visualizza\n#ubuntu-it 2014-05-23\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<ghigomatto> giorno a tutti\n<ghigomatto> ho un sistema ubuntu 12.04 LTS Server, su cui devo implementare un servizio sftp utilizzando vsftpd\n<ghigomatto> Il punto è che non riesco ad usare un utente locale per accedere al sistema in sftp e fare ciò che voglio all'interno della home-dir che ho deciso dovrà essere in jail (tramite vsftpd)\n<ghigomatto> Insomma, non riesco a mettere in jail l'utenza (locale) utilizzando le direttive di vsftpd\n<ghigomatto> Qualcuno sa come aiutarmi?\n<icest0rm> ciao a tutti\n<icest0rm> qualche anima pia che mi può dare una mano con configurazioni di nvidia/x e compagnia bella?\n<jester-> icest0rm: cioè?\n<icest0rm> provo a spiegare\n<icest0rm> sul portatile (un dell e6520 con scheda integrata nvidia e intel) ho installato ubuntu 14.04\n<icest0rm> lo tengo solitamente sulla docking station\n<icest0rm> e fine a qualche giorno fa tutto ok\n<icest0rm> riuscivo a pilotare i miei 3 monitor esterni\n<jester-> icest0rm: hai installato qualche driver?\n<icest0rm> dopo una blanda configurazione fatta con gnome-monitor\n<icest0rm> sto usando il driver nvidia-331\n<icest0rm> con nvidia-primus\n<jester-> icest0rm: hai installato nvidia-prime\n<remix_tj> ghigomatto: sftp o ftp-ssl?\n<icest0rm> si jester\n<icest0rm> prime scusa\n<jester-> icest0rm: pare che primus sia instabile e che sia da preferire bumblebee-nvidia\n<jester-> che usa il 304\n<ghigomatto> remix_tj: sftpd\n<remix_tj> ghigomatto: sftp = ftp via ssh, ftp-ssl = ftp sicuro. se usi vsftpd puoi usare solo quest'ultimo\n<icest0rm> mmm\n<icest0rm> eppure funzionava tutto correttamente, avevo solo qualche bega quando toglievo dalla docking e lo rimettevo\n<ghigomatto> remix_tj: di fatto vorrei contattare il server vsftpd in porta 22 con una connessione ssh....di fatto questo vorrei, e vorrei che l'utente in questione possa spostarsi solo dentro la propria home, ho provato anche con rshell, ma è troppo restrittiva.\n<icest0rm> ma un riavvio e tornava ok, adesso invece non si ripiglia più\n<remix_tj> ghigomatto: allora ti serve sftp e non va bene vsftpd. Quello che ti serve è questo: http://www.howtoforge.com/restricting-users-to-sftp-plus-setting-up-chrooted-ssh-sftp-debian-squeeze\n<icest0rm> nessuno ha idee?\n<ghigomatto> remix_tj: funzia anche con ubuntu 12.04 LTS? ( immagino di si...)\n<remix_tj> ghigomatto: certo\n<jester-> icest0rm: hai letto sopra?\n<ghigomatto> vedo che richiede openssh-server\n<icest0rm> si di bumblebee...ma io non un problema di gestione di nvidia/intel\n<icest0rm> devo farle andare assieme per pilotare i 3 monitor\n<jester-> icest0rm segare xorgf.conf e rifarlo con nvidia-settings?\n<icest0rm> già fatto\n<icest0rm> ma 1. nvidia-settings non vede la scheda intel\n<icest0rm> quindi sarebbe monco\n<icest0rm> e 2. anche integrandolo, non ho ottenuto risultati soddisfacenti\n<jester-> icest0rm: non deve vedere la intel\n<icest0rm> e perché no?\n<icest0rm> io devo pilotare 3 monitor\n<icest0rm> 2 sono agganciati alla nvidia, 1 alla intel\n<jester-> perchè paciocca il driver invidia\n<jester-> icest0rm: comunque qualcosa hai fatto se prima andava e poi no\n<icest0rm> si\n<icest0rm> succedeva che quando toglievo il portatile dalla docking station e poi lo rimettevo\n<icest0rm> la config non andava correttamente....ma con un riavvio tornava ok\n<jester-> quindi?\n<icest0rm> questa volta invece niente...riesco a vedere i 3 monitor, ma quello centrale è come se fosse in panning\n<icest0rm> anche xrandr dice che è in modalità panning\n<icest0rm> e non riesco a disabilitargliela\n<icest0rm> devo avere 3 monitor indipendenti, invece da quello centrale se mi sposto a lato l'immagine shifta\n<jester-> icest0rm: ma hai fatto qualcosa prima o no\n<icest0rm> e sul 3° non riesco a posizionare finestre\n<jester-> si è scassato da sola di notte a pc spento\n<icest0rm> jester: scollegando il notebook dalla docking la config cambiava in automatico per far andare il monitor interno\n<icest0rm> ricollegandolo non sempre si ripigliava la config giusta\n<ghigomatto> remix_tj: per ora grazie, provo a vedere che succede e farò sapere.\n<icest0rm> tutto questo lo faceva in automatico ubuntu, senza interventi manuali\n<jester-> icest0rm: e 4 hai modificato qualcosa cercando di ovviare?\n<icest0rm> quando al riavvio non è tornato alla solita config ho provato a vedere i vari tool (nvidia-settings, gnome-monitor-settings, xrandr) per vedere se riuscivo a riportare la situazione allo standard, ma non ci sono più riuscito\n<icest0rm> ed è sempre andato da quando ho installato la 14.04 la prima volta...mah..\n<jester-> icest0rm: che tipo di intel monta il pc\n<icest0rm> intel gm900 mi pare\n<icest0rm> integrata nel chipset\n<jester-> icest0rm: lspci | grep -i vga\n<icest0rm> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)\n<icest0rm> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF119M [NVS 4200M] (rev a1)\n<Vale> ciao sapete come mai wine gira su driver xorg mentre se metto i driver nativi testati non parte?\n<jester-> icest0rm: cancella .nvidia-setting-rc e il file nsacosto relativo al gnomesticass nella home o in .config\n<jester-> icest0rm: rinomina /etc/X11/xorg.conf se esiste\n<icest0rm> gnomesticass quale sarebbe?\n<icest0rm> ;)\n<jester-> i tool che hai usato\n<jester-> gnome-monitor-settings\n<icest0rm> è quello del control center\n<icest0rm> per la configurazione del monitor\n<icest0rm> non so dove scrive\n<icest0rm> probabilmente il monitor.xml\n<jester-> nella home da qualche parte\n<jester-> !unityreset | fai anche\n<ubot-it> fai anche: per resettare unity alle impostazioni di partenza, premi alt+f2 (o apri un terminale) e digita: unity --reset | Da Ubuntu 12.10 in avanti: sudo apt-get install dconf-tools esegui nel terminale: dconf reset -f /org/compiz\n<icest0rm> ok\n<icest0rm> dconf reset -f /org/compiz\n<icest0rm> fatto\n<icest0rm> e il resto anche\n<icest0rm> adesso...riavvio?\n<jester-> yess\n<icest0rm> ok...ci vediamo dopo...sperem ben\n<icest0rm> rieccomi...\n<sahadow91> come faccio a far rilevare una chiavetta tim olicard 145 su lubuntu?\n<jester-> alura?\n<icest0rm> niente si è ripristinato il tutto\n<icest0rm> ma il monitor centrale\n<jester-> sahadow91: se compatibile la rileva\n<icest0rm> fa ancora panning\n<icest0rm> se vado verso destra l'immagine shift a sinistra verso il monitor di sinistra\n<icest0rm> che caz..\n<jester-> icest0rm: vedi se ti fa downgradare il driver intel\n<jester-> icest0rm: installa synaptic e fallo da li\n<icest0rm> perché quello intel?\n<jester-> se non hai fatto altro potrebbe essere un aggiornamento del driver farlocco\n<jester-> icest0rm: perchè in teoria se non serve il 3d usa l'intel\n<icest0rm> m'immagino che usi entrambe le schede\n<jester-> icest0rm: hai provato a togliere prime e il 331 e poi installare bobmali?\n<icest0rm> la nvidia pilota i due monitor ad essa collegati\n<icest0rm> e la intel l'altro..\n<icest0rm> no bumblebee no...perché mi funzionava questa config e non capisco perché non va più...ma eventualmente farò un tentativo...\n<jester-> icest0rm: il meccanismo dovrebbe essere che per usi normali usa intel per uso grafico impegnativo passa a nvidia\n<jester-> questo è la logica della doppia scheda\n<icest0rm> si questo se uno usa bumblebee o nvidia prime per disattivare una o l'altra scheda\n<icest0rm> ma nel mio caso\n<icest0rm> non può usare intel per pilotare le uscite collegate alla nvidia\n<icest0rm> per quelle hardwired sulla nvidia usa la nvidia e epr quelle hardwired sull'intel usa l'intel\n<jester-> icest0rm: allora disattiva la intel nel bios se possibie e togli prime\n<jester-> icest0rm: quindi e uscite video sono sulla nvidia?\n<icest0rm> oh mio dio\n<ExPBoy> si ma quante sono?\n<icest0rm> non mi spiego?\n<icest0rm> la nvidia pilota le due porte DVI\n<icest0rm> della docking\n<ExPBoy> eh\n<icest0rm> la intel pilota la VGA e la HDMI\n<icest0rm> quindi\n<jester-> ne ha 3 di solito hdmi vga e dcvi\n<ExPBoy> quindi 2 monitor\n<icest0rm> se io voglio usare due DVI e una VGA\n<icest0rm> come sto facendo\n<icest0rm> devo avere entrambe le schede attiva\n<icest0rm> due monitor li pilota la nvidia e l'altro l'intel\n<jester-> icest0rm: mi sa cha hai fatto casino con le uscite\n<icest0rm> che casino jester?\n<icest0rm> quelle sono\n<icest0rm> mica si può cambiare niente\n<jester-> icest0rm: la mia nvidia ha 3 uscite\n<jester-> hdmi dvi e vga\n<ExPBoy> pure la mia\n<ExPBoy> ne uso 2 (non mi servono 3 monitor)\n<jester-> icest0rm: pare logico che se uno sta sulla intel non centra con i 2 che stanno sulla nvidia\n<ExPBoy> icest0rm: usa le tre uscite e risolvi il problema\n<jester-> metti il tezzo pure sulla invidia\n<icest0rm> forse non tenete di conto che c'è la docking\n<icest0rm> che replica le porte\n<icest0rm> io non sto collegando i monitor al portatile\n<icest0rm> ma alla docking station\n<jester-> icest0rm: il principio è sempre lo stesso\n<jester-> icest0rm: lsmod | grep nvidia\n<icest0rm> ti assicuro che la nvidia non pilota 3 uscite contemporaneamente\n<jester-> c'è?\n<icest0rm> c'è scritto dovunque\n<jester-> icest0rm: come no\n<jester-> weltall: ne ha 4 e le usa\n<jester-> mi pare\n<jester-> weltall: hai mica che tu un dell?\n<weltall> 4 sono pilotate è la feature che vende del kepler\n<weltall> se hai optimus puoi gestirne anche di più di monitor\n<weltall> 2 sono dati all'intel\n<weltall> e il resto all'nvidia\n<jester-> si ma optimus bombali non è figo\n<weltall> io cmq uso 3 monitor\n<icest0rm> guarda qua\n<icest0rm> http://negativo17.org/complex-setup-with-nvidia-optimus-nouveau-prime-on-fedora-19-2/\n<icest0rm> questo è il wiring di un dell e6430\n<jester-> icest0rm: che centra fedora\n<icest0rm> LVDS (Internal panel)\tIntel\n<icest0rm> VGA (not usable along with the docking station one)\tIntel\n<icest0rm> VGA (Docking station)\tIntel\n<icest0rm> DVI\tNvidia\n<icest0rm> DVI (Docking station)\tNvidia\n<ExPBoy> bho\n<icest0rm> scusate\n<weltall> ovviamente si parla di windows\n<weltall> linux good luck :D\n<icest0rm> ^\n<icest0rm> ?\n<ExPBoy> lol\n<weltall> configurazioni video particolari su linux sono masochismo puro\n<icest0rm> il link era solo per far vedere come erano collegate le uscite alle schede\n<icest0rm> non per altro\n<jester-> hihihi\n<weltall> io già devo staccare tutti i monitor e riattaccarli tutte le volte che accedo al desktop su linux\n<weltall> :D\n<weltall> e non mi vede la vga se non gli dico \"mi guardi che monitor ho attaccato?\"\n<weltall> io ho optimus opzionale ho una configurazione molto diversa\n<weltall> e su linux tengo sempre optimus off\n<weltall> visto che è un disastro totale\n<weltall> non posso disinstallare mezzo x e reinstallarlo ogni santa volta XD\n<weltall> che voglio cambiare config\n<weltall> poi dire che una scheda nvidia pilota solo 3 uscite è sbagliato a prescindere\n<weltall> nvidia vende dei prodotti quadro che puntano ad avere molti monitor\n<weltall> vengono usati principalmente in finanza o in centri di controllo (eg: centrali elettriche)\n<alfio> ciao amici ho un problema con il programma fsi arena mi chiede java ma non so cosa fare?\n<ParaPyconit> alfio: installalo :D\n<krabador> alfio, che ubuntu?\n<alfio> ho gia' scaricato java\n<alfio> 14.04\n<alfio> forse dovrei autorizzare l'utilizzo ma come?\n<krabador> alfio, sudo apt-get install icedtea-7-plugin java7-jdk java7-runtime\n<alfio> come?\n<alfio> krabador dimmi come devo fare\n<krabador> alfio, apri il terminale\n<krabador> alfio, copia ed incolla quel comando\n<krabador> e premi invio\n<alfio> krabador sei un grande\n<alfio> tutto ok sono entrato\n<alfio> ciao\n<alfio> e grazie\n<krabador> di niente\n<dany_> buongiorno a tutti\n<shadow91> ciao non riesco a fare una reinstallazione\n<shadow91> se inserisco il cd di lubuntu per esempio dopo aver inserito la lingua si blocca con striscia rossa sopra lo schermo\n<shadow91> come risolvo?\n<ParaPyconit> krabador: perchè a me non danno retta? gh\n<shadow91> ????\n<krabador> shadow91, processore / ram / scheda video del pc ?\n<krabador> lubuntu quale ?\n<jester-> shadow91: inserisci pure nomodeset da tasto F6\n<krabador> si, se accade al menu del boot del cd, premi f6 come dice jester- , seleziona nomodeset, e manda una delle opzioni \"prova \" o \" installa\"\n<shadow91> volevo reinstallare ubuntu e avevo provato con il live usb senza riuscirci\n<shadow91> krabador: Intel® Coreâ¢2 CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz à 2 4gb di ram nvidia geforce 8400gs\n<jester-> serve nomodeset\n<jester-> shadow91: e sempre che il cd non sia farlocco, controlla md5sum della iso\n<jester-> !md5sum | shadow91\n<ubot-it> shadow91: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Md5Sum\n<shadow91> ok\n<shadow91> mi sapreste dire cosa significa questo:[5.212143 usb 6-1 device not accepting andress 5 error -71 ]\n<shadow91> [5.212392] hub 6-0:1.0 unable to enumerate usb device on port 1\n<shadow91> ???\n<shadow91> ????\n<sin___> hola!volevo togliere la sessione ospite ma non mi riconosce più niente.ubuntu 13.10\n<cristian_c> sin___, spiegati meglio\n<sin___> allora ho modificato il file lightdm.conf come da guide trovate in rete:( alla riaccensione non mi riconosce nulla\n<sin___> ci sentiamo tra un pò\n<dulcinea> ciao a tutti, chiedo suppurto per installazione stampante su ubuntu 14.04\n<jester-> dulcinea: quale\n<dulcinea> mi correggo: è lo scanner a non funzionare\n<dulcinea> epson stylus sx230\n<jester-> che moello\n<jester-> modello\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, via usb?\n<dulcinea> si\n<jester-> ma perchè comprate hw non linux digeribile\n<ExPBoy> dulcinea: http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?p=4189103\n<ExPBoy> qui pare abbiano risolto\n<jester-> dulcinea: se non c'è qui la vedo dura http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/StampantiScanner/EpsonMulti\n<dulcinea> il primo link già provato, ma non trovo le sezioni indicate\n<dulcinea> il secondo: guardo ora\n<salvo94> salve a tutti mi serve aiuto\n<ExPBoy> !aiuto\n<ubot-it> per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<salvo94> ho installato da poco ubuntu 14.04 lts senza una partizzione windows,quindi di conseguenza c'è solo ubuntu...ora il problema e che io non so come usarlo etc vorrei aiuto da voi esperti su come usarlo al meglio e aggiornarlo a meglio\n<cristian_c> salvo94, sul sito di ubuntu c'è il tour\n<cristian_c> e una panoramica\n<cristian_c> per il resto, c'è il wiki\n<cristian_c> !documentazione\n<ubot-it> Documentazione ufficiale http://help.ubuntu-it.org - Documentazione della comunità http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Documentazione - Gruppo documentazione: pagina principale http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoDocumentazione\n<salvo94> grazie :) ora leggo tutto quello che mi interessa..\n<salvo94> un'altra cosa\n<salvo94> come installare giochi\n<salvo94> sto uscendo pazzo,tra video di youtube ecc\n<krabador> salvo94, allora, non si gioca su linux\n<krabador> salvo94, nel senso che molti giochi vanno con wine / playonlinux\n<krabador> molti non vanno\n<krabador> e non andranno mai\n<krabador> e molti vanno in parte\n<salvo94> ecco come faccio a installarli con wine??? c'è una guida non so :\\\n<salvo94> e una lista di giochi che potranno andare su linux\n<cristian_c> salvo94, se i giochi sono soltanto per windows, occorre usare wine e potendo playonlinux, come ti stato detto\n<salvo94> ma io già ho installato playonlinux e configurato wine\n<cristian_c> salvo94, ma stai parlando di giochi disponibili soltanto per winz?\n<Betim_> ciao a tutti! ieri sera ho aggiornato Kubuntu e ho cambiato tema, ho riavviato il computer mi compare il simbolo che carica il programma e poi viene lo schermo nero si vede solamente la freccia e se entro come utente Guest funziona\n<jester-> per giochi winz va usato winz\n<cristian_c> eh\n<jester-> Betim_: rinomina la cartella .kde\n<ExPBoy> salvo94: non tutto gira sotto wine\n<ExPBoy> anzi... quasi niente\n<jester-> pretendere di giocare roba winz su linux è come voler carrozare la moto come la magana\n<ExPBoy> vabbhè\n<Betim_> panico! xD spiega un pò meglio\n<dulcinea> provata la rpocedure non trovo pipslite-cup\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, hai scaricato i driver dal sito epson?\n<dulcinea> si ma pipslite-cup proprio non c'è\n<cristian_c> Betim_, è una cartella nascosta nella tua home directory\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, quali driver hai scaricato?\n<dulcinea> ho provato con tutti e tre gli rpm disponibili x86\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, rpm?\n<cristian_c> ma non hai ubuntu?\n<dulcinea> la guida usa alien per farli deb\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, no, ci sono anche i deb\n<cristian_c> chi ti ha detto che non ci sono?\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, hai un sistema a 32 o 64 bit?\n<dulcinea> riprovo coi deb, dal più recente al più vecchio\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, scusa, e allora che c'entrano gli rpm?\n<cristian_c> se avevi già i dev\n<cristian_c> *deb\n<dulcinea> li ho già provati prima di chiedere in chat, in chat mi è stata indicata un'altra procedura e io la seguivo passo passo\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, spiegati meglio\n<cristian_c> avevi i deb e perché sei passato/a agli rpm?\n<dulcinea> <jester-> dulcinea: se non c'è qui la vedo dura http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/StampantiScanner/EpsonMulti\n<jester-> perchè il trollaggio viene meglio\n<cristian_c> lol\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, ci sono i driver sul sito epson, non vedo il problema di scaricarli e installarli\n<cristian_c> anche in winz si scaricano i driver dal sito e si installano\n<dulcinea> se aggiungi che il pc deve essere acceso ho tutti gli elementi... devo essere pazza a rivolgermi alla chat...\n<cristian_c> infatti non ho capito sta cosa degli rpm\n<cristian_c> sul sito ci sono i deb\n<cristian_c> si scaricano per il proprio modello iscan e iscan-data e li si installa con doppio clic\n<sin___> arihola!come posso entrare nel so copo aver modificato lightdm.conf?\n<sin___> mi siego meglio:volevo togliere la sessione ospite e,segundo le gui9de in rete ho modificato il file lightdm.conf.alla riaccensionenon mi fa più entrare e mi disattiva il monitor\n<jester-> sin___: installa gdm mettilo a defualt quando chiede e vivi in pace\n<sin___> mi devi aiutare passo passo:)\n<jester-> e un'altra volta fatti un backup dei file di sistema pria di taroccarli\n<dulcinea> tralacio questione deb/rpm che siamo in una empasse. se lancio questo comando: sudo /usr/share/pipslite/rc.d/inst-rc_d.sh install restituisce comando non trovato\n<sin___> il backup ce l'ho,ma il problema è come entrare\n<jester-> sin___: fai da shell\n<jester-> contro-alt-F2\n<jester-> e dai startx\n<jester-> se non parte ripristini il file a mano da riga di comando\n<sin___> si\n<sin___> spe che sto col notebook\n<jester-> anzi prima dai: sudo service lightdm stop\n<jester-> poi startx\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, davvero, non so se stai trollando\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, la soluzione è semplice: scarica i driver giusti e li installi\n<cristian_c> finito\n<Betim_> ragazzi scusa per la mia ignoranza, ma io sono nella home del profilo Guest e non riesco a trovare la benedetta cartella da rinominare .kde, come faccio a trovarla?!?!?\n<Betim_> fattemi un tutorial scritto please!!\n<dulcinea> allora, mi sono rivolta alla chat dopo aver installato i driver deb ed aver visto che lo scanner non era visibile. il chat, jester mi ha indicato un forum che proponeva la procedura con gli rpm e io l'ho seguita passo passo, ma continua a non vedere lo scanner, la stampante si\n<dulcinea> non so cosa vuol dire trollare\n<jester-> Betim_: parti in ripristino, arrivi al menu, abiliti la rete/nework o non monta il fs in scrittura, vai in root, mv .kde .kde.bak, exit per tornare al menu, avvio normale\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, se ci sono i deb, gli rpm non servono a niente\n<sin___> mi dice stop unknown instance\n<dulcinea> ok. dillo a chi mi ha detto di seguire quella procedura.\n<installing20> salve\n<jester-> sin___: fai il resto\n<jester-> sin___: sudo apt-get install gdm\n<installing20> sto cercando di installare lubuntu ma mi dice che ho meno di 4 giga liberi per proseguire con l'installazione\n<installing20> in verità ho 32 giga\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, disinstalla i deb convertiti da rpm\n<dulcinea> non li ha installati perchè aveva già trovato i miei driver deb precedenti\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, apri un terminale\n<jester-> installing20: usando tutto il disco?\n<dulcinea> già \n<cristian_c> sin___, non seguire guide online prese a caso sul web\n<dulcinea> già aperto\n<cristian_c> se non sai quel che stai facendo\n<sin___> lo soooooooo!\n<sin___> mai più\n<sin___> cosa è gdm?\n<cristian_c> !info gdm\n<ubot-it> gdm (source: gdm): Next generation GNOME Display Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.8.4-0ubuntu2 (saucy), package size 713 kB, installed size 6048 kB\n<jester-> sin___: il cuggino di lightdm\n<cristian_c> ihihih\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, digita: dpkg -l | grep scan\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, risultato su pastebin\n<sin___> sono arrivato alla scelta del disp manager vado con gdm? sicuri,l'accendo?\n<jester-> sin___: certo, mettilo a default\n<sin___> fatto\n<jester-> sin___: riavvia\n<sin___> ok\n<dulcinea> cosa devo fare dopo aver digitato?\n<jester-> !paste | dulcinea\n<ubot-it> dulcinea: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<cristian_c> uhm\n<jester-> ehmm\n<sin___> si è fermato alla pagina dove carica il so ..non va avanti ...\n<dulcinea> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7505288/\n<jester-> sin___: se non arriva al login hai azzoppato il sistema non solo lightdm\n<jester-> !ripristino | sin___\n<ubot-it> sin___: Per ripristinare un sistema danneggiato: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/RipristinoInstallazione\n<sin___> non perdo i dati vero?\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, non li hai presi dal sito quei driver\n<jackbrown> salve qualcuno sa come abilitare l'audoo HDMI Su ubuntu 14 ?\n<jester-> sin___: se segui la guida no, ma un backup della home andrebbe fatto ogni tanto\n<jester-> jackbrown: con scheda video?\n<jackbrown> jester-: N56VZ Nvitia GT650M\n<jackbrown> Nvidia\n<jackbrown> laptop ASUS\n<sin___> ma il bckup è nel disco a cui devo accedere e dove èil so\n<jester-> jackbrown: hai installato il driver invidia da driver aggiuntivi?\n<nonsaprei_> conoscete qualche programma simile a pastedebian per immagini?\n<jester-> sin___: so frega un tubo che frega è la tua home\n<jester-> o parte della home\n<jackbrown> jester-: certo\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, sul sito ci sono i 1.28.0-2\n<jester-> jackbrown: 331?\n<cristian_c> ii iscan-data 1.28.0-3 all Image Scan! for Linux data files\n<cristian_c> tu hai questi\n<jackbrown> jester-: si\n<dulcinea> cosa devo fare?\n<jester-> jackbrown: setta l'uscita voce\n<jackbrown> ?\n<jackbrown> jester-: non appare l'opzione HDMI output\n<jackbrown> nelle opzioni audio\n<jackbrown> anche quando collego l'hdmi\n<jester-> jackbrown: nelle impostazioni audio canale uscita\n<jackbrown> jester-: si appare solo l'audio del portatile\n<jester-> jackbrown: installa pavucontrol e controlla con quello\n<jackbrown> ok\n<jester-> jackbrown: e devi avere in moto un qualcosa che parla o suona\n<jackbrown> ok\n<jester-> tipo un mp3 o video\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, io non sono sicuro tu abbia scaricato i driver dal sito\n<jackbrown> jester-: non esce vedo sol Altoparlanti interni\n<jackbrown> uscita analogica\n<cristian_c> non corrispondono\n<jackbrown> cuffie analogiche jester-\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, qui i driver: http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/du/02/DriverDownloadInfo.do?LG2=IT&CN2=&DSCMI=27729&DSCCHK=801a788309d0a4d5d559efd6cb1d7a5491b11266\n<jester-> jackbrown: quindi non vede uscita hdmi? a me si\n<jackbrown> jester-: no però non ho nulla collegato alla porta HDMI adesso\n<jester-> jackbrown: lol\n<jackbrown> jester-: non dovrebbe apparire lo stesso ? mi dice Cuffie analogiche (unplugged)\n<jackbrown> cioè mi vede anche gli output scollegati\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, tra l'altro non hai risposto quando ti ho chiesto se hai sistema a 32 o 64 bit\n<jester-> appare quello che è operativo\n<jester-> se stacchi il mic per es sparisce\n<dulcinea> 64\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, iscan_2.29.3-1~usb0.1.ltdl7_amd64.deb\n<jackbrown> jester-: ok devo provare collegadno all'hdmi allora ?\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, e iscan-data_1.28.0-2_all.deb\n<jester-> jackbrown: mi pare logico\n<jackbrown> jester-: ok jester grazie pauvcontrol è molto completo, esiste un modo per renderlo predefinito ?\n<jester-> jackbrown: è una semplice gui per impostare\n<jackbrown> ok grazie provo\n<dulcinea> errore. è già installata una versione più recente\n<cristian_c> dulcinea, io non so cos'hai fatto\n<cristian_c> ma secondo dovresti ripristinare e seguire le indicazioni giuste, stavolta\n<cristian_c> *me\n<dulcinea> come faccio?\n<dulcinea> a ripristinare intendo\n<dulcinea> mi si è piantato il pc, ho perso la soluzione al mio problema con lo scanner?\n<jester-> hai perso cristiano_c\n<jester-> * cristian_c has quit (Quit: Sto andando via)\n<dulcinea> mi aveva detto di seguirlo...\n<jester-> dulcinea: a sapere dove è andato e se ti era a portata\n<dulcinea> mi comprava uno scanner che poteva aiutarmi ad installare?\n<jester-> dulcinea: dipende da come sarebbe andato l'iseguiemnto\n<sin___> come faccio a capire quale vrsione ho?\n<dulcinea> ma qualcuno può spiegarmi come disinstallare i driver ed installare quelli giusti?\n<jester-> sin___: prendi l'ultima non necessariamente deve essere la stessa versione\n<jester-> al menu scegli tasto Fx altro\n<jester-> cioè mode\n<sin___> ma sulla guida cè scritto che deve essere uguale.ho bisogno di fare un ripristino\n<jester-> è lo stesso\n<jester-> sin___: se non lo ai tuc he minghia hai installato\n<jester-> da recovery vai in root e dai: lsb-release -a\n<jester-> da recovery vai in root e dai: lsb_release -a\n<jester-> cin underscore\n<sin___> adesso sto con una chiavetta di prova 12.10 e sono all'interno del so c'è qualche file che mi indichi la versione?\n<jester-> sin___: /etc/lsb-release\n<sin___> da terminale\n<jester-> <sin___> adesso sto con una chiavetta di prova 12.10 e sono all'interno del so c'è qualche file che mi indichi la versione?\n<jester-> quindi?\n<sin___> se non ricordo male la vers-è 13.10\n<sin___> dove la posso scaricare?\n<jester-> andare col file manager a controllare il file?\n<Betim_> ragazzi sapete dirmi se esiste supporto tecnico per ubuntu via telefono?\n<lollo_> ciao ragazzi una domanda, ho kubuntu 12.04 posso installare kde 4.13?\n<dulcinea> c'è qualcuno che sa installare una epson stylus su ubuntu? e che ha voglia di spiegarmelo?\n<dulcinea> problema con scanner epson stylus su ubuntu 14.04\n<sin___> e se faccio questo?http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/ModalitaDiRipristino\n<Red-XIII> ciao ragazzuoli\n<Red-XIII> ho un piccolo problema con il PC, non ho audio in cuffia... :(\n<lucas_> hi\n<Manveer> ciao\n<Manveer> i have a problem??\n<sin___> sto facendo la reinstallazione di ubuntu seguendo questa http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/RipristinoInstallazione .la mia home verrà mantenuta?\n<krabador> sin___, si, se segui il ripristino la home viene mantenuta\n<krabador> Red-XIII, quale ubuntu?\n<sin___> perchè sulla schermata c'è reinstalla e non aggiorna come sulla guida è lo stesso?\n<sin___> il so 13-10\n<Red-XIII> ciao krabador\n<Red-XIII> ubuntu 14.04 LTS\n<krabador> Red-XIII, sudo apt-get intsall alsa-utils alsa-tools\n<Red-XIII> proviamo! :D\n<krabador> Red-XIII, e poi alsa-mixer\n<Red-XIII> ok ok\n<krabador> da li vedi i livelli\n<Red-XIII> son tutti giusti, diciamo\n<krabador> Red-XIII, mandi per favore il pastebin del primo comando\n<krabador> ed un'immagine del secondo?\n<krabador> !pastebin | Red-XIII\n<ubot-it> Red-XIII: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<krabador> !imagebin | Red-XIII\n<ubot-it> Red-XIII: Vuoi mostrarci una schermata del tuo problema? Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<Red-XIII> il pastebin di sudo apt-get instal... ?\n<Red-XIII> qui l'img http://imagebin.org/311596\n<Red-XIII> krabador, con \"il primo comando\" che intendevi?\n<krabador> Red-XIII, quando premi f6 in alsa-mixer, che cosa succede?\n<Red-XIII> mi apre la selezione della scheda audio, credo\n<Red-XIII> sì, confermo\n<fra_dolcino> problema CUPS, non riesco più ad accedere alla pagina di amministrazione localhost:631/admin, con la mia user name e password\n<tommi> ho montato U.14.04 mi risulta lento sugg.\n<tommi> ciao a tutti\n<jester-> tommi: su che pc\n<tommi> jester; intel pentium(r)4 cpu 300 GHzx2\n<tommi> os 64 bit\n<|gonzo|> e che pretendi da un p4...\n<jester-> tommi: come pretendere che la nonna balli la rock acrobatico\n<jester-> tommi: hai almeno messo lubuntu?\n<tommi> si 14 04\n<jester-> tommi: lubuntu o ubuntu\n<tommi> ubuntu\n<jester-> la piu pesante, la nonna ballerebbe meglio con lubuntu\n<tommi> mai sentito vado a ricercsr grazie per adesso\n<jester-> tommi: http://www.ubuntu-it.org/ --> DERIVATE\n<tommi> jester: trovato scarico e monto tante grazie\n<Red-XIII> ragazzi, ero entrato qualche ora fa per il problema audio con il mio portatile, ma sono dovuto andare via repentinamente... :S chiedo scusa\n<Red-XIII> raga, non riesco a sentire niente se uso le cuffie... :(\n<jester-> installa pavucontrol e ualo per settare il canale uscita\n<jester-> usalo*\n<ilimeo> Salve\n<ilimeo> Ho da poco installato la 14.04 lts. Ho anche seguito le guide post installazione per i vari applicativi e componenti aggiuntivi. Mi è rimasto però un problema con l'applicazione youtube in quanto per la maggior parte dei video mi chiede di scaricare adobe flash player\n<ilimeo> come posso risolvere?\n<ilimeo> Vedendo i video da firefox o chrome invece funziona perfettamente!\n<teo_> ciao\n<spartacus_72> sera\n<teo_> non so perchè ma nn mi parte il download\n<teo_> quando provo a scaricare xubuntu\n<teo_> o qualsiasi altro software\n<jackbrown> salve qualcuno sa come si attiva l'audio HDMI su Ubuntu 14 ?\n<teo_> ???\n<Paradisee> ma io mi chiedo.........\n<Paradisee> ma google, lo usate mai?\n<spartacus_72> Paradisee, ;)\n<Paradisee> teo_: da che os sei\n<Paradisee> jackbrown: cercato su google prima?\n<jackbrown> Paradisee: si ma siccome l'ho appena installato pensavo dovesse già funzionare tutto e le guide trovate in rete sono vecchie quindi non volevo pasticciare\n<Paradisee> jackbrown: installato cosa\n<jackbrown> Paradisee: ubuntu 14\n<jackbrown> ho anche installato i driver nvidia consigliati per la mia scheda video da Ubuntu\n<jackbrown> quindi pensavo dovesse fuzionare già tutto\n<Paradisee> e chi ti ha detto quali erano\n<Paradisee> provato ad andare sul terminale e digitare: \"alsamixer\" ?\n<teo_> Paradise_: un vecchio xp\n<teo_> winzoz\n<Paradisee> teo_: e cosa vuol dire non ti parte il download\n<teo_> vuol dire che non me lo scarica\n<Paradisee> teo_: quanto tempo aspetti? da dove lo scarichi?\n<teo_> dal sito uffciale\n<teo_> sto ancora aspettando\n<teo_> da circa 20 minuti\n<spartacus_72> jackbrown, il problema sembra essere lo stesso della 13.04\n<jackbrown> spartacus_72: come lo risolvo?\n<spartacus_72> jackbrown, dai un occhio:http://www.lffl.org/2013/04/ubuntu-1304-e-laudio-hdmi-che-non.html\n<jackbrown> ok\n<spartacus_72> teo_, provare col torrent?\n<teo_> dal sito ufficiale sempre nada\n<filippo> raga salve ho disperato bisogno di aiuto\n<Paradisee> teo_: in che maniera lo scarichi\n<teo_> sto provando da torrentz\n<teo_> il torrent?? spunto la casella torrent e schiaccio download\n<Paradisee> sai cos'è un torrent?\n<spartacus_72> che client hai per i torrent?\n<teo_> mi è capitato di sentirne parlare e mi è capitato di scaricare un discreto numero di files dalla rete\n<filippo> ho 1 problema col notebook, allora praticamente da quando ho ubuntu sia che ho la versione 12, 13 o l'ultima, la batteria non va, sia che la batteria sia originale o cinese, praticamente una volta inserita il pc la legge, e carica tutto regolarmente, al momento di staccare l'alimentatore e quindi il pc va solo con la batteria, o c'è un crash con schermata nera e scritte, o solo si spegne lo schermo e il pc continua a funzionare, \n<spartacus_72> teo_, che client? bitorrent o cosa?\n<spartacus_72> bittorent**\n<teo_> u torrent\n<teo_> sto usando in questo momento\n<Paradisee> teo_: parte il download da microtorrent?\n<spartacus_72> teo_, ok,quando dau scarica,se lo prende utorrent?\n<teo_> si ma lo sto scaricando dal sito torrentz.eu\n<teo_> mi sarebbe piaciuto averlo da una fonte ufficiale\n<spartacus_72> teo_, basta controllare impronta md5\n<Paradisee> filippo: potresti essere piu chiaro?\n<spartacus_72> ma nn capisco perchè non riesci a scaricare dal sito ufficiale\n<teo_> ma neanche io\n<filippo> paradisee , piu chiaro in che senso? dimmi cosa vorresti sapere\n<teo_> non mi parte il download\n<teo_> davvero nn capisco\n<filippo> praticamente sono disperato. ho speso un casino di soldi in batterie ma niente.\n<spartacus_72> teo_, quale versione vuoi scaricare?\n<filippo> poi quando stacco l'alimentatore e rimane solo la batteria, lo schermo fa uno strano rumore e si abbassa la luminosità \n<Paradisee> filippo: rileggi la tua frase, e dimmi se è scritta per essere capita o meno\n<teo_> xubuntu 13.10 32bit\n<filippo> allora mi rispiego, fondamentalmente sul mio notebook la batteria fa crashare il laptop oppure spegne lo schermo.\n<filippo> volevo sapere a cosa potrebbe essere dovuto.\n<Paradisee> filippo: ti sei assicurato che la batteria venga caricata?\n<filippo> si è carica al 100%\n<Paradisee> con un tester magari\n<filippo> il notebook la riconosce e la carica perfettamente\n<spartacus_72> teo_, provato da qua: http://www.ubuntu-it.org/derivate/xubuntu\n<spartacus_72> ??\n<teo_> ok grazie ora provo poi ti faccio sapere\n<filippo> ma non è che il notebook crasha sempre, solo se stacco il cavo alimentatore.\n<filippo> per il resto va perfettamente se batteria e alimentatore sono insieme.\n<Paradisee> filippo: il pc si spenge o solo lo schermo?\n<teo_> omg arrivo da li\n<teo_> e niente\n<teo_> adesso riprovo\n<filippo> solo lo schermo diventa nero e il pc continua a funzionare, oppure certe volte alterna una schermata nera di crash con delle scritte bianche che se vuoi ti dico.\n<Paradisee> magari\n<filippo> e cmq fa uno strano rumore lo schermo appena stacco l'alimentatore...\n<filippo> tipo ssssssssss\n<spartacus_72> teo_, spiega meglio che succede quando clikki su scarica\n<filippo> e si abbassa di luminosità .\n<Paradisee> quanti anni ha il pc\n<filippo> piu di 5 è molto malandato\n<filippo> potrebbe essere la scheda video vero?\n<filippo> che ormai è danneggiata no?\n<Paradisee> no\n<filippo> può essere che se installo windows funziona?\n<Paradisee> probabile le piste siano ossidate\n<filippo> per piste a cosa ti riferisci?\n<Paradisee> cosi su 2 piedi non so dirti nulla di piu\n<Paradisee> non avendo il computer davanti, non posso andare a caso\n<teo_> mi apre la pagina complimenti per il download e non succede niente\n<filippo> è un hp pavilion dv5\n<filippo> cmq le batterie sono sempre nuove e originali\n<filippo> di ottima qualità .\n<filippo> quindi il problema è o del pc o di ubuntu\n<Paradisee> non ti rimane che fare delle prove, o darci qualche informazione in piu\n<spartacus_72> teo_, la pagina è:complimenti stai per installare....poi clicca download,in altro a destra e ti porta alla pagina della varie versioni,32 e 64\n<filippo> ok ti dico cosa mi da la schermata nera quando crasha\n<filippo> mi da un kernel panic e 5 hardware error\n<Paradisee> filippo: riesci a dare un \"sudo apt-get update\"\n<filippo> fatto\n<Paradisee> ti da errori?\n<teo_> si poi scelgo la versione e non succede niente\n<filippo> no tutto liscio come l'olio\n<Paradisee> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade\n<spartacus_72> teo_, scegli kubuntu 32bit?\n<teo_> eh si quella era l'idea\n<teo_> xubuntu\n<spartacus_72> teo_, seleziona la casella download torrent\n<teo_> fatto iverse volte\n<spartacus_72> teo_, non parte utorrent?\n<Paradisee> teo_: che browser stai usando?\n<spartacus_72> già ,o è il browser o è utorrent\n<spartacus_72> teo_, browser?\n<filippo> fatto\n<filippo> tutto liscio come l'olio paradisee\n<Paradisee> sudo apt-get update\n<filippo> fatto tutto liscio\n<spartacus_72> teo_, stiamo aspettando di sapere che diamine di browser usi\n<filippo> provo a staccare l'alimentatore?\n<teo_> scusate\n<Paradisee> filippo: no\n<teo_> un explorer vecchio\n<spartacus_72> teo_, ah ecco\n<Paradisee> teo_: cambia browser\n<teo_> enfatti\n<spartacus_72> teo_, scarica firefox\n<teo_> ci stavo pnsando\n<spartacus_72> e butta nel cesso ie\n<teo_> ovvio\n<filippo> l'altra volta ho aperto il notebook e la ram era in ottime condizioni anche.\n<filippo> io penso che sia qualcosa che abbia a che fare direttamente con lo schermo.\n<spartacus_72> filippo, a me con gli stessi sintomi era partita la retroilluminazione su un mini hp,nn so se sia il tuo caso,ma potrebbe\n<filippo> si penso sia così!!\n<Paradisee> filippo: dovresti postare un immagine precisa del kernel panic\n<filippo> xkè appena stacco l'alimentatore, lo schermo fa uno strano suono fastidioso\n<filippo> e diventa tipo opaco\n<filippo> si abbassa di luminosità , però sulle impostazioni la luminosità è sempre al massimo\n<spartacus_72> come faceva il mio\n<filippo> cmq ora ti mando la stringa del kernel panic\n<filippo> Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal machine check on current CPU\n<teo_> grazie per il supporto Spartacus_72 e Paradise\n<spartacus_72> teo_, di nulla\n<filippo> cosa centra ora la CPU boh...\n<ilimeo> nessuno sa aiutarmi per youtube?\n<Paradisee> ilimeo: non leggo la ua domanda\n<filippo> eh si penso proprio che ormai il pannello lcd sia andato e quindi la batteria da solo non lo regge più\n<Paradisee> filippo: ripeto, devi essere piu specifico con l'errore\n<Paradisee> i problemi possono essere molteplici\n<spartacus_72> filippo, hai modo di provare un altro schermo? la tv?\n<filippo> al momento no, cmq se dovesse andare su un altro schermo, la risposta è chiara vero?\n<filippo> pannello lcd andato giusto?\n<spartacus_72> filippo, ovvio\n<filippo> cioè non andato xkè con l'alimentatore va a meraviglia\n<filippo> come mai?\n<filippo> le batterie sono poco potenti?\n<spartacus_72> retroilluminazione\n<spartacus_72> 70 euro circa\n<filippo> cos'è la retroilluminazione?\n<filippo> mi spieghi xfavore\n<Paradisee> filippo: ripeto, per l'ennesima volta, ci sono molteplici kernel error, se non sei specifico, noi non ti possiamo aiutare\n<Paradisee> piuttosto porta il pc in assistenza\n<filippo> paradise ma piu specifico di cosi? c'è scritto solo quello nel kernel panic\n<filippo> non ce altro, poi ci sono gli hardware error e basta\n<spartacus_72> filippo, la retroill regola la luminosità dello schermo in condizioni di scarsa alimentazione,quindi potrebbe implicare anche la batteria\n<spartacus_72> filippo, procurati un altro schermo e verifica\n<filippo> quindi è x colpa della batteria che non è abbastanza potente?\n<filippo> xkè con l'alimentatore va bene?\n<Paradisee> io la mia l'ho data, fai come vuoi\n<filippo> questo vorrei capire.\n<spartacus_72> filippo, si,parrebbe di si,retro + batteria\n<spartacus_72> ma come suggerisce Paradisee il discorso è complesso\n<spartacus_72> filippo, la prima prova da fare è con altro schermo\n<filippo> giusto. ma sto pensando a come fare sta prova\n<spartacus_72> filippo, io all'epoca provai con la tv\n<spartacus_72> hai una uscita hd nel pc?\n<filippo> si ma questo è un hp pavilion dv5 non so se ha l'attacco forse si asp\n<ilimeo> Paradisee: è un po' più in alto... problemi con pùl'applicazione youtube\n<spartacus_72> credo di si\n<Paradisee> ilimeo: poni la domanda\n<Paradisee> non riesci a visualizzare video?\n<filippo> ho una porta con scritto\n<filippo> HDMI\n<spartacus_72> ok\n<filippo> è quella?\n<spartacus_72> filippo, trova un cavetto hd....decoder,ps3 etc\n<spartacus_72> e collegalo alla tv\n<filippo> la tv è lcd va bene?\n<spartacus_72> certo\n<spartacus_72> se ha ingresso hd\n<ParaCesso> brb toilet\n<filippo> ok provo, quindi se nella tv funziona lo schermo, posso andare a comprare un nuovo pannello per il notebook giusto?\n<ilimeo> Ho da poco installato la 14.04 lts. Ho anche seguito le guide post installazione per i vari applicativi e componenti aggiuntivi. Mi è rimasto però un problema con l'applicazione youtube in quanto per la maggior parte dei video mi chiede di scaricare adobe flash player.\n<spartacus_72> filippo, si\n<ilimeo> Vedendo i video da firefox o chrome invece funziona perfettamente!\n<filippo> ok grazie. proverò domani e vi farò sapere.\n<filippo> saluti e grazie\n<spartacus_72> ilimeo, che versione l'app?\n<spartacus_72> filippo, di nulla\n<ilimeo> spartacus_72: dove lo vedo?\n<spartacus_72> ilimeo, da synaptic\n<spartacus_72> gestore pacchetti\n<ilimeo> spartacus_72: 2.4.16\n<spartacus_72> ilimeo, si chiama sempre minitube?\n<spartacus_72> non ho la 14.04 io\n<ilimeo> unity-webapps-youtube 2.4.16+14.04.20140428-0ubuntu1\n<spartacus_72> hai provato ad aggiornare?\n<spartacus_72> ilimeo, quando hai installato la 14.04?\n<ilimeo> aggiornare cosa?\n<spartacus_72> il sistema\n<ilimeo> credo di si...\n<ilimeo> comunque domani vedo\n<ilimeo> ora chiudo\n<ilimeo> grazie del supporto\n<knaigerchrome1> ciao a tutti ho inserito un dvd noleggiato ma non me lo apre, mi compare nel launcher il programma dvd ma come schiaccio play mi da un messaggio di errore come posso risolvere?\n<knaigerchrome1> ho provato anche da vlc ma niente da fare\n<krabador> knaigerchrome1, devi installare libdvdcss\n<krabador> knaigerchrome1, sudo apt-get install libdvdread4\n<knaigerchrome1> ok ora provo grazie\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install libdvdread4\n<krabador> spetta\n<knaigerchrome1> ok\n<krabador> c'è un secondo comando\n<krabador> sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh\n<krabador> questo , installa libdvdcss, in presenza di libdvdread4\n<knaigerchrome1> quindi utilizzo anzi questo?\n<krabador> devi mandare prima il primo poi il secondo\n<krabador> entrambi li devi mandare\n<knaigerchrome1> ok provvedo subito\n<knaigerchrome1> ok funziona tutto grazie 1000 buona notte ;)\n<francesco_> savle\n<francesco_> salve\n<francesco_> ok\n<francesco_> ok\n<francesco_> e in linea?\n#ubuntu-it 2014-05-24\n<akis24> giorno\n<|17|Catenzo> Ciao a tutti! Ho trovato su internet questo canale irc, ma prima devo registrarmi su qualche forum?\n<cristian_c> |17|Catenzo, questa è la chat di supporto\n<cristian_c> ma non è l'unico strumento per ottenere aiuto\n<cristian_c> se uno vuole, usa il forum di supporto o la documentazione ufficiale più il wiki\n<|17|Catenzo> Qual è il forum di supporto?\n<enzotib> o Chiedi.ubuntu-it.org\n<cristian_c> !forum\n<ubot-it> forum is http://forum.ubuntu-it.org\n<cristian_c> !chiedi\n<ubot-it> per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<cristian_c> uhm\n<ExPBoy> lol\n<|17|Catenzo> Ok, ho aggiornato i driver della scheda grafica del mio pc, quando lo riavvio però non parte e mi lascia in una schermata nera in cui ho la possibilità di dare dei comandi. Che comando dovrei dare per farlo avviare?\n<cristian_c> |17|Catenzo, aggiornati?\n<|17|Catenzo> No, hai ragione, me li ha fatti installare come driver esterni al sistema o una cosa del genere\n<cristian_c> |17|Catenzo, spiegati meglio\n<|17|Catenzo> Ieri ho installato ubuntu per la prima volta, mi ha completato il tutto e poi mi ha detto che non erano presenti i driver per attivare la scheda grafica ad alte prestazioni. Mi ha proposto di scaricarli come software esterno (dicendo cioè che la quantità degli aggiornamenti non dipendeva da loro). Lo ho aggiornato e riavviato. Il pc mi è rimasto fermo in una sorta di schermata di avvio nero, in cui posso dare ordini alla mascchina. Nella dispera\n<ExPBoy> e che scheda grafica hai?\n<cristian_c> |17|Catenzo, software esterno?\n<ExPBoy> al limite driver proprietari\n<|17|Catenzo> Una ati readon, ma non ho idea di dove trovare il codice\n<ExPBoy> !ati\n<ubot-it> Guarda su http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/#head-0682d007ecb9abbcbaaa161f1873e63f0597ac6e; Driver prorietari Catalyst: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/Ati/Catalyst; Driver open source: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/Ati/Radeon\n<|17|Catenzo> Li mi dice come installarli, e lo ho fatto il mio problema è che al riavvio non parte in automatico, prima mi caricava direttamente la pagina iniziale (tipo windows) invece ora mi fa la schermata di avvio in cui posso dargli per esempio sudo apt-get ma da cui non so come fare a farlo partire\n<cristian_c> |17|Catenzo, non ho capito di quale software parli\n<|17|Catenzo> Nessun software, me li ha fatti scaricare come driver aggiuntivi (scusa ma mentre lo facevo non avevo letto con attenzione)\n<akis24> |17|Catenzo: prova a dare startx vedi se si avvia la grafica o che risponde\n<|17|Catenzo> Mi dice: failed to load session \"gnome\"\n<|17|Catenzo> Ma non posso fare termina sessione perché non vedo il cursore del mouse\n<akis24> !ripristino |17|Catenzo:\n<ubot-it> 17|Catenzo:: Per ripristinare un sistema danneggiato: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/RipristinoInstallazione\n<|17|Catenzo> Ok, lo reinstallerò, grazie\n<cristian_c> |17|Catenzo, non è propriamente una reinstallazione\n<akis24> |17|Catenzo: non installare driver proprietari se va bene con gli open oppure chiedi qui prima come fare\n<cristian_c> sopratutto se non si è esperti\n<|17|Catenzo> Ok, grazie a tutti! :)\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<Ozzyboshi> ciao jester-\n<rozzilla> ciao a tutti\n<rozzilla> come posso importare una immagine su avidemux?\n<rozzilla> o comunque, quale programma mi consigliate per unire video e immagini?\n<jester-> rozzilla: kdeinlive\n<rozzilla> si riesce con quello\n<rozzilla> ?\n<rozzilla> provo ;)\n<jester-> rozzilla: non ho esperienza diretta ma dicono sia il migliore\n<rozzilla> ok provo\n<rozzilla> grazie\n<rozzilla> jester-,\n<rozzilla> programmi più semplici?\n<cristian_c> rozzilla, io ho provato sommariamente\n<cristian_c> rozzilla, dipende cosa devi fare\n<cristian_c> !programmi\n<ubot-it> Per una lista di programmi disponibili per Ubuntu consulta http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Programmi\n<cristian_c> !info avidemux\n<ubot-it> avidemux (source: avidemux): a free video editor - GTK version. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:2.5.4-0ubuntu13 (saucy), package size 764 kB, installed size 1957 kB\n<Guest88300> Salveee\n<Guest88300> Qualcuno online?\n<Guest88300> Oiii\n<luciuxx> oh yeah, si parla italiano qui\n<krabador> luciuxx, http://chat.ubuntu-it.org/\n<krabador> per parlare di quanto non sia supporto ad ubuntu, #ubuntu-it-chat\n<luciuxx> bè, sto insttallando in questo momento su un vecchissimo pc, Xubuntu e sto chattando con questa bellissima compagnia\n<luciuxx> se qualcuno dice3 qualchecosa ...\n<serverino> #ubuntu-it-chat\n<|gonzo|> re\n<zavorra> buonasera a tutti\n<zavorra> ho un problma con la luminosità su lubuntu\n<zavorra> anche se con il tasto \"fn\" e \" aumnto luminosità \" porto al massimo la luminosità il display non varia di un...lumen\n<zavorra> c'è nessuno ?\n<krabador> zavorra, notebook?\n<zavorra> acer aspire 5670\n<krabador> apri il terminale\n<krabador> manda cd /sys/class/backlight\n<krabador> poi ls -la\n<krabador> !pastebin | zavorra\n<ubot-it> zavorra: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<zavorra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7510939/\n<krabador> zavorra, sudo leafpad /sys/class/backlight/acer-wmi/brightness\n<krabador> metti valore 7\n<krabador> salva\n<krabador> riavvia\n<zavorra> ok a dopo\n<zavorra> grz\n<zavorra> rieccomi\n<zavorra> il valore era 15 l'ho impostato a 7 , adesso ?\n<krabador> zavorra, non è cambiato nulla?\n<zavorra> no\n<krabador> zavorra, che scheda video hai?\n<zavorra> non lo sò\n<zavorra> .....:-P\n<krabador> vabeh.\n<krabador> e tuo il pc?\n<zavorra> no\n<zavorra> ati\n<zavorra> ho guardato adesso\n<zavorra> nel system profiler\n<zavorra> però prima quando premevo fn più aumen to luminosità mi compariva l'immagine sullo schermo della barra che aumntava adsso non più\n<zavorra> riecomi scusa\n<zavorra> sono uscito per sbaglio\n<zavorra> pensi sia un problma driver ?\n<krabador> zavorra, sudo leafpad /etc/default/grub\n<krabador> zavorra, modifichi questa GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"quiet splash in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"quiet splash acpi_backlight=vendor\" , salvi\n<krabador> sudo update-grub\n<krabador> riavvii\n<spartacus_72> sera\n#ubuntu-it 2014-05-25\n<Beta_Alfa23> salve. avrei un dubbio: sulla chiavetta USB/disco devo caricare direttamente il file zippato o devo prima estrarre i file?\n<sin_> hola!come faccio a vedere file nascosti con una versione prova?\n<sin_> e invece permessi di root su versione live di ubuntu?\n<akis24> buona domenica\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<sin_> arihola!un programma per installare la 14.04 lts da usb live?\n<akis24> !installazione | sin_\n<ubot-it> sin_: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<cristian_c> sin_, il programma di installazione è già contenuto nella live\n<cristian_c> e si può avviare l'installazione anche senza entrare in modalità live\n<sin_> mi sono espr.male,dalla iso all'eseguibile\n<ExPBoy> ti sei espresso ancora peggio\n<ExPBoy> !usb | sin_\n<ubot-it> sin_: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/DaSupportoUsb\n<cristian_c> esatto\n<cristian_c> sin_, sei su winz o linux?\n<sin_> qui sono su live 12.10 e poi sono su note con winz\n<ExPBoy> 12.10?\n<jester-> sin_: pecchè 12.10?\n<jester-> ti piacciono le tardone sui 50?\n<sin_> è quella che ho sulla usb\n<ExPBoy> lol\n<jester-> ci è andata da sola sulla ub?\n<sin_> cmq la 14 non è presente nelle creazioni deunetbootin e usb installer\n<ExPBoy> ?\n<sin_> ?\n<ExPBoy> sin_: stai dicendo seriamente?\n<sin_> ma che\n<ExPBoy> a ok trolli\n<sin_> nn capisco\n<sin_> ma che trollo\n<jester-> trollalleruu trollallaaaaa\n<akis24> sin_: riassumendo scaricati ultima versione e installa o prova con quella .. la tua ormai è in eta' di pensione o quasi\n<sin_> lo so è che devo prima recuperare i dati e penso di avercela fatta ,ho la iso e la devo scompattare dentro la usb con quei prog.con winz.nn c'è la 14.04\n<cristian_c> sin_, mica la scarichi con unetbootin la iso\n<cristian_c> sin_, apri unetbootin, e selezioni il file\n<cristian_c> poi ci pensa lui a fare il resto\n<mirkosfi> salve a tutti.\n<mirkosfi> avrei bisogno di chiedere un consiglio a qualcuno che sia esperto nell'installazione di ubuntu.....\n<mirkosfi> qualcuno a cui posso chiedere?\n<sin_> arihola!ho inst. lavers.14.04.ho salvato la home prec. che faccio sostituisco a quella attuale?\n<cristian_c> !italiano | sin_\n<ubot-it> sin_: scrivere in maniera corretta facilita la lettura dei messaggi: frasi contenenti abbreviazioni, spesso chiare soltanto a chi le scrive, sono di difficile interpretazione. Ti invitiamo pertanto a non usarle. Vedi http://tinyurl.com/35d9kcn\n<sin_> ho installato la versione 14.04.ho salvato la home che avevo prima ,vorrei sostiotuirla per avere le impostazioni precedenti.faccio copia incolla?\n<puffinho> salve a tutti\n<puffinho> c'è qualcuno a cui posso chiedere un aiuto !???\n<puffinho> ...l'avanzamento della versione m'ha combina svariati casini !!!\n<puffinho> (combinato)\n<cristian_c> sin_, vuoi ripristinare la vecchia home?\n<cristian_c> sin_, ma non avevi la home in partizione separata?\n<puffinho> ciao cri...\n<cristian_c> !aiuto | puffinho\n<ubot-it> puffinho: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<cristian_c> puffinho, non ti conosco\n<puffinho> ups... ..sorry Ubot !!... e grazie !\n<puffinho> ...manco io !!!...era per salutare ! :)\n<puffinho> ...allora, . . . NO , io vorrei mantenere questa nuova versione\n<puffinho> ...però vorrei anche poter montare utte le altre partizioni...e/o pennette..hard disk...etc.. che Ora non mi monta più\n<sin_> nella vecchia home ci sono le impostazioni di firefox a me interessano quelle.prima di formattare ho copiato la vecchia home e adesso vorrei sostituirla a quella nuova\n<puffinho> ...poi è sparito il wireless...ed anche se connetto via cavo(come ora) ..non mi esce più il segnalatore sulla barra in alto\n<cristian_c> sin_, ma non fai meglio a mettere la home in partizione separata?\n<cristian_c> !ripristino | puffinho\n<ubot-it> puffinho: Per ripristinare un sistema danneggiato: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/RipristinoInstallazione\n<puffinho> ah.... ok !!...provo subito !!\n<puffinho> Grazie !\n<sin_> mi sa che farò così ho capito che è un casino se modifichi qualcosa\n<cristian_c> sin_, nel caso, comunque prova a copiare le cartelle nascoste che ti interessano\n<cristian_c> quelle della home\n<sin_> quindi potrei fare adesso una partizione sul hd dove mettere solo la home\n<sin_> ci provo\n<sin_> scusa non me le fa copiare\n<cristian_c> puffinho, ok, facci sapere :)\n<cristian_c> sin_, ?\n<cristian_c> sin_, puoi farlo quando partizioni l'hard disk prima dell'installazione, ad esempio\n<Guest91923> ciao a tutti\n<Guest91923> sto per installare l'ultima versione di kubuntu ma stavolta vorrei ripartire in due l'hd per installare in uno il sistema operativo e i programmi e l'altra per mettere i file. come si fa?\n<zahira> iao a tutti\n<zahira> ho un problea on la tastiera\n<zahira> non rionose la tastiera usb\n<zahira> ok\n<krabador> zahira, apri il terminale, lsusb\n<krabador> e incolla il contenuto qui\n<krabador> !pastebin | zahira\n<ubot-it> zahira: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<zahira> krabador adesso sembra funzionare\n<zahira> nella tastiera del laptop alcuni tasti non vanno\n<krabador> zahira, se sono solo alcuni, il problema puo' non essere del sistema operativo\n<zahira> è hardware il problea infatti\n<krabador> zahira, quindi ?\n<zahira> la tastiera è arrivaa\n<zahira> ma anche le porte usb non vanno bene questo pc è morto\n<zahira> ihihihihih\n<Gio2180> buonasera\n<Gio2180> ho una micro sd che non viene rilevata dal pc\n<Gio2180> qualcuno mi può aiutare ?\n<krabador> Gio2180, funziona il lettore di card?\n<Gio2180> si.\n<Gio2180> con un'altra mcro sd funziona\n<krabador> Gio2180, su quanti sistemi hai provato questa sd ?\n<Gio2180> solo su ubuntu\n<Gio2180> la scheda non è mia\n<krabador> il proprietario dove ha provato?\n<Gio2180> credo su windows\n<krabador> \"credo\"\n<Gio2180> non ha ubuntu\n<krabador> Gio2180, per ricevere aiuto, servono informazioni precise\n<Gio2180> glielo chiedo\n<Gio2180> confermo\n<Gio2180> windows\n<Gio2180> io invece, solo su ubuntu\n<krabador> Gio2180, premettendo che le sd, come tutte le memorie flash, partono, ed anche dopo non molto tempo\n<Gio2180> questo lo so\n<krabador> Gio2180, apri il terminale\n<Gio2180> ok\n<krabador> Gio2180, fdisk -l\n<krabador> sudo fdisk -l\n<krabador> e pastebin\n<krabador> !pastebin | Gio2180\n<ubot-it> Gio2180: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Gio2180> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7515672/\n<krabador> Gio2180, lsusb\n<krabador> sempre pastebin\n<Gio2180> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7515684/\n<ubuntu-studio> ciao\n<ubuntu-studio> ..AIUTO !!!!...ho reistallato ubStudio!!...e credo m-abbia cancellato win 8 ...e relative partizioni di ripristino !!_!\n<ubuntu-studio> (ho reistallato ubStudio)\n<ubuntu-studio> ...qualcuno pu; aiutarmi per favore !!!!\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, se hai brasato il disco mettendo solo ubuntu studio, non puoi piu' recuperare nulla\n<ubuntu-studio> ciao Krab\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, tutte le scritture fatte sul disco in installazione\n<ubuntu-studio> ...no!!!...il problema [ che ho fatto REISTALLA UBSTUDIO !!!\n<krabador> hanno sovrascritto\n<ubuntu-studio> noooooooooooooooooooooo\\\n<ubuntu-studio> ...nn va manco la tastiera !!!!! >(\n<krabador> gli indici della precedente impostazione del disco\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, queste operazioni di fanno con cognizione di causa\n<ubuntu-studio> e piu cognizione di cosi !_!__++!+_!\n<krabador> Gio2180, sudo umount /dev/sdb1\n<ubuntu-studio> ...lo faccio da un anno ormai !!!\n<ubuntu-studio> ....ho fatto REISTALLA !!!!!...ma nn diceva niente di ( A fianco di win...etc etc )\n<krabador> Gio2180, sudo gparted\n<krabador> \"ma nn diceva niente di ( A fianco di win...etc etc )\" e non ti si è accesa nessuna lampadina ?\n<Gio2180> l'altro comando l'ho dato, ma mi dice NON MONTATO\n<ubuntu-studio> ma niente niente !???!??...manco aprendo il pc...e leggendo l-hard disk da un altro pc !_+??\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, non è una trattativa, se l'installazione ha usato l'intero disco\n<Gio2180> giovanni@giovanni:~$ sudo gparted sudo: gparted: command not found\n<krabador> hai sovrascritto tutti gli indici\n<ubuntu-studio> >(\n<ubuntu-studio> ..che coglione !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >(\n<ubuntu-studio> ...uffffffffff\n<krabador> Gio2180, sudo apt-get install gparted && sudo gparted\n<ubuntu-studio> emmo>?<??\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, sudo gparted\n<krabador> e manda un'immagine del disco\n<ubuntu-studio> come faccio a rimettere tutto appost !???\n<krabador> !imagebin | ubuntu-studio\n<ubot-it> ubuntu-studio: Vuoi mostrarci una schermata del tuo problema? Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, come fai a rianimare un morto?\n<Gio2180> fatto\n<krabador> Gio2180, è un programma per gestire partizioni, a destra hai un menu a tendina con i devices rilevati\n<krabador> Gio2180, quanti ne rileva?\n<krabador> Gio2180, com'era formattata la pendrive?\n<ubuntu-studio> dai krab.. ...in fondo i problemi sono nati tutti da sta caz....di avanzamento di versione....\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, l'avanzamento di versione è sconsigliata\n<ubuntu-studio> ...se no me ne stava buono buonino io ...era tutto appost....\n<Gio2180> ne rileva 6 più uno non allocato\n<ubuntu-studio> ...bene !!!! E ALLORA PERCHE- DIAVOLO LA MANDANO !!!?!!?!???????\n<krabador> Gio2180, manda un'immagine\n<krabador> !imagebni | Gio2180\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'imagebni'\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, non succede niente se il sistema non è pacioccato\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, ma se il sistema è molto smanettato, e molti utenti non lo ammettono di farlo, da problemi\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, datti una calmata\n<ubuntu-studio> ......... >(\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, di fronte a problemi con la propria installazione, o segui la guida di ripristino\n<Gio2180> cosa è imagebni?\n<krabador> !ripristino | ubuntu-studio\n<ubot-it> ubuntu-studio: Per ripristinare un sistema danneggiato: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/RipristinoInstallazione\n<krabador> !imagebin | Gio2180\n<ubot-it> Gio2180: Vuoi mostrarci una schermata del tuo problema? Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, oppure reinstalli, ma nel momento del partizionamento selezioni \"altro\" e riassegni la stessa partizione usata da ubuntu\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, dopo un backup, e non hai problemi.\n<ubuntu-studio> ok!! ...vorr' dire che ora ho imparato !!!\n<ubuntu-studio> >...a prezzo alto. . . . . .per;\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, manda sudo gparted\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, e vediamo come sta messo il sistema\n<krabador> manda immagine\n<krabador> !imagebin | ubuntu-studio\n<ubot-it> ubuntu-studio: Vuoi mostrarci una schermata del tuo problema? Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<ubuntu-studio> dici a me Krab !+?!?\n<krabador> scusami, qual'è il nome a fianco alle linee che sto scrivendo?\n<ubuntu-studio> .....non c-e/ infatti !!!....percio chiedo\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, manda sudo gparted\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, e vediamo come sta messo il sistema\n<krabador> e te le ho riscritte dalla history\n<ubuntu-studio> aaaaaaahhh....e scusami Krab. . . . Sono Puffinho 1!!!!!.....e che sto usando la pen Live...\n<ubuntu-studio> e nn me ne ero accorto....Scusa , davvero...\n<ubuntu-studio> ..ok .\n<krabador> già , è faticoso vedere con il nick a fianco alle cose che si scrivono ....\n<ubuntu-studio> hhhh...si si ....hai ragione\n<ubuntu-studio> ...allora...ho aperto gparted...\n<ubuntu-studio> ora >?\n<krabador> fa uno screenshot\n<krabador> la fai con il tasto stamp\n<ubuntu-studio> si si\n<ubuntu-studio> fatto\n<gigi> ho un problema nell'istallazione qualcuno mi potrebbe aiutare gentilmente?\n<ubuntu-studio> ...lo posto\n<ubuntu-studio> ?!?\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, manda immagnie\n<ubuntu-studio> come??\n<krabador> !imagebin | ubuntu-studio\n<ubot-it> ubuntu-studio: Vuoi mostrarci una schermata del tuo problema? Carica un'immagine su http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | http://imageshack.us/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<krabador> gigi, che problema?\n<ubuntu-studio> http://imagebin.org/311739\n<ubuntu-studio> prima del DELITTO .. ...avevo 2,3 partizioncine per il ripristino di Win8 ....la partizione di Win8..una partiz come Dati...e una di UbStudio\n<gigi> allora io istallo e va tutto bene poi quando vado a riavviare mi da il seguente errore : serious errors were found while checking the disk drive for/\n<ubuntu-studio> ora.........nada !\n<krabador> ubuntu-studio, se il disco è solo quello\n<gigi> <krabrador>ho provato anche ad istallare da capo ma sempre così mi da\n<gigi> :(\n<gigi> salve a tutti ho un problema con l'istallazione di ubuntu chi mi puo dareunamano?\n<gigi> nessuno?\n<ubuntu-studio> krab\n<gigi> krabador?\n<ubuntu-studio> ...che faccio !????.... ...provo a leggere il disco con qualche programma di recupero dati !_>??!?\n<ubuntu-studio> ...o sarebbe inutile !??\n<ubuntu-studio> ......\n<puffinho> ri ciao\n<puffinho> krab ...puoi darmi una mano con la rete wireless por favor..\n<puffinho> ( successe già quando installai UbStudio la prima volta...\n<puffinho> ...non me la attiva.. ..nemmeno dai tasti della tastiera Asus)\n<sim_> ho un problemino chi mi aiuta?\n<sim_> cosa devo fare sem mi dice serious errors were found while checking the disk drive for/ ????\n<puffinho> azzz.........qua sò scappati tutti !!! :(\n<sim_> si:(\n<puffinho> vabò . . . .è pure domenica per loro !! X) . . . ..riprovo piu tardi !!\n<puffinho> Ciao sim... ciao a tutti\n<ubuwu> ciao a tutti\n<sim_> ciao puffignho buona domenica!\n<ubuwu> qualcuno puoi aiutarmi in un problema di rete ?\n<ubuwu> ce nessuno ?\n<jester-> !qualcuno\n<ubot-it> la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<jester-> ubuwu: ??\n<ubuwu> eccomi scusa\n<ubuwu> il problema è il seguente\n<ubuwu> ho installato da pochi ubuntu 14.04 LTS ed è connesso alla rete domestica (dove ci sono collegati altri due computer con windows 7) tramite Netgear wifi adapter N150 wna1100 a un router sempre Netgear DGN1000\n<ubuwu> Il computer si connette e disconnette continuamente e si blocca il computer\n<jester-> ubuwu: adattatore usb?\n<ubuwu> si\n<jester-> sei collegato col pc in qestione?\n<ubuwu> no ma sei mi dai 1 min lo accendo\n<ubuwu> ok computer acceso\n<jester-> ubuwu: dovresti venire in canale con quello\n<ubuwu> ci provo sperando non si sconnetta\n<ubuwu> eccomi sono collegato\n<ubuwu> jester-?\n<jester-> ubuwu: apri un terminale\n<ubuwu> fatto\n<jester-> ubuwu: lsusb\n<jester-> e metti la risposta nel paste\n<jester-> !paste | ubuwu\n<ubot-it> ubuwu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<ubuwu> eccomi jester scusa\n<ubuwu> si era bloccato\n<ubuwu> il pc\n<jester-> ubuwu: lsusb\n<jester-> e metti la risposta nel paste\n<jester-> !paste | ubuwu\n<ubot-it> ubuwu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<ubuwu> come faccio scusa a mettere la risposta nel paste\n<jester-> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<ubuwu> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<ubuwu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7516133/\n<jester-> athero non dovrebbe avere problemi, non è che è un pc vecchio solo con usb1?\n<jester-> ubuwu: ho una wn111v2 e va benissimo\n<ubuwu> no sono usb 2\n<ubuwu> collegata tramite prolunga del cavetto\n<jester-> ubuwu: collegalo riettamente\n<jester-> ubuwu: e scollega glialtri pc\n<ubuwu> ok provo\n<ubuwu> eccomi jester\n<ubuwu> si era bloccato di nuovo il computer\n<ubuwu> ciao a tutti\n<ubuwu> ho una connessione a rete domestica dove ci sono altri due computer con windows 7 collegati. Il problema è che continuamente il pc si collega e discollega alla rete bloccandosi poi il pc\n<ubuwu> la connesione avviente tramite un adattatore wifi netgear\n<jester-> ubuwu: hai collegato direttament alla usb e disconnesso gli altri pc?\n<ubuwu> si provato ma il problema persiste\n<ubuwu> non potrebbe essere il problema che siano i driver o la giusta configurazione della rete?\n<jester-> ubuwu: la mia Bus 002 Device 008: ID 0846:9001 NetGear, Inc. WN111(v2) RangeMax Next Wireless [Atheros AR9170+AR9101]\n<jester-> mi sa che il tuo cipset sia un filino linux indigessto\n<ubuwu> cioè scusa cosa vuol dire ?\n<jester-> ubuwu: il pc quanto è vecio\n<ubuwu> 4/5 anni\n<ubuwu> ti servono le componenti\n<jester-> ubuwu: la mia ha cipset Atheros AR9170+AR9101 la tua Atheros AR9271\n<jester-> ubuwu: non se ha 4 5 anni ha usb2\n<ubuwu> si ma quando avevo su windows dovevo installare sempre i driver per 2.0\n<jester-> ubuwu: sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree\n<jester-> mi sa che manca il firm\n<ubuwu> provo grazie\n<ubuwu> a cosa serve ?\n<ubuwu> scusa ma sono davvero un principiante\n<ubuwu> di linux\n<ubuwu> fatto installato\n<jester-> il firmware è una specie di password\n<jester-> specie\n<ubuwu> password per cosa? ho appena finito di installarlo\n<jester-> ubuwu: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmware\n<ubuwu> ok grazie\n<ubuwu> per ora non si sta bloccando\n<jester-> ubuwu: hai installato?\n<ubuwu> si installato\n<jester-> ubuwu: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade\n<ubuwu> jester- : ho appena finito di installare\n<ubuwu> si era di nuovo un attimo bloccato mentre installava\n<Guest64718> buona sera posso chiedervi u consiglio in merito ad hardware?\n<jester-> !chiedi\n<ubot-it> per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<andrealuce> ciao a tutti\n<ubuwu> eccomi jester-\n<andrealuce> posso chiedere a qualcuno consigli in fatto di hardware?\n<andrealuce> scusate se disturbo epr questo\n<ubuwu> jester- ho finito di installare\n<krabador> !chat | andrealuce\n<ubot-it> andrealuce: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<andrealuce> ciao krabador come stai?\n<andrealuce> :D\n<ubuwu> eccomi jester- si era piantato di nuovo il computer\n<andrealuce> krabador c'è una sezione apposta per hardware o sulla chat non possiamo parlarne? non voglio creare problemi\n<krabador> andrealuce, è qui dentro, che non è indicato parlare di altro che non sia supporto\n<krabador> !chat | andrealuce\n<ubot-it> andrealuce: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<andrealuce> grazie krabador e che qui trovo chi ne sa più di me\n<andrealuce> scusate\n<andrealuce> ciao a tutti\n<ubuwu> ciao a tutti ho il seguente problema. Ho il mio pc ubuntu collegato tramite adattatore netgear alla mia rete domestica (dove ci sono due windows 7 collegati) che continuamente si connette e disconnette dalla rete\n<ubuwu> dopodichè si blocca il computer\n<ubuwu> e spesso appaiono errori come questo\n<ubuwu> BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 22s![Xorg:999]\n<ubuwu> o questo\n<ubuwu> BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 23s![Xorg:991]\n<ubuwu> ciao a tutti ho il seguente problema. Ho il mio pc ubuntu collegato tramite adattatore netgear alla mia rete domestica (dove ci sono due windows 7 collegati) che continuamente si connette e disconnette dalla rete\n<ubuwu> dopodichè si blocca il computer e spesso appaiono errori come questo BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 22s![Xorg:999], BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 23s![Xorg:991]\n<ubuwu> qualcuno ha idea di che problema si tratti ?\n<vice_> come cancellare la cronologia dei comandi dati al terminale ?\n<krabador> vice_, non s\n<krabador> non sono utili?\n<vice_> ciao cabrador\n<vice_> k\n<vice_> nella versione 13.10 se non erro davo il comando history -c e li cancellava ma su 14.04 li cancella ma al riavvio li ri trovi\n<vice_> è poi vorrei capire perche se sono nella scrivania e digito un simboli tipo -*+ si apre una finestrella in basso a destra, a cosa serve ?\n<vice_> krabador ?\n<vice_> non riesco a cancellare la cronologia del terminale di ubuntu 1404\n<krabador> vice_, history -c && history -w\n<vice_> krabador number one !!!\n<vice_> ciao ci sentiamo più tardi... un abbraccio è grazzie mille kabrador\n<ufalc> Krabador, solo tu ,i puoi aiutare :(\n<krabador> ufalc, ciao, che succede?\n<ufalc> krabador sei un mito :)\n<ufalc> non lo so.... fino a questa mattina riuscivo a vedere le dirette su la7, le repliche.... della rai... torno questa sera.... accendop il pc... e non mi fa vedere piu i video, le dirette e le repliche :(\n<krabador> ufalc, allora , che versione di ubuntu?\n<krabador> e che browser\n<ufalc> be penso lÃultima..... firefox\n<ufalc> krabador 14 04 LTS\n<krabador> ufalc, allora, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade\n<krabador> ufalc, mandami un pastebin del risultato della linea\n<krabador> !pastebein | ufalc\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'pastebein'\n<ufalc> eeeeeeeee krabador non so di cosa parli :( io ho sempre usato il mac per internet... per fare video... vedere film... non me ne intendo di comandi o cose del genere\n<ufalc> sorry\n<krabador> ufalc, molto semplicemente apri il terminale, copi ed incolli li questa linea\n<krabador> apri il sito segnalato\n<krabador> incolli li dentro il risultato della linea incollata e mandata nel terminale\n<krabador> premi paste\n<krabador> e incolli qui il link\n<krabador> !pastebin | ufalc\n<ubot-it> ufalc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<ufalc> Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-0ubuntu6) ...\n<krabador> ufalc, aspetta,e copia ed incolla tutto il risultato nel pastebin\n<ufalc> ma si é fermato\n<ufalc> ultima stringa il mio nome\n<krabador> ufalc, copia ed incolla tutto\n<ufalc> fatto\n<krabador> incolla qui il link risultante del pastebin\n<ufalc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7517447/\n<krabador> bene, sempre nel terminale, dpkg -l | grep flash\n<krabador> e stessa cosa di pastebin\n<ufalc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7517460/\n<krabador> bene, dpkg -l | grep flash jre\n<krabador> bene, dpkg -l | grep flash icedtea\n<krabador> entrambi, puoi anche metterli in un unico pastebin\n<ufalc> scusa li devo incollare separatamente?\n<krabador> li mandi entrambi, copi ed incolli tutto in un pastebin\n<krabador> sempre se danno risultato\n<krabador> ufalc, scusa\n<ufalc> mi dice non esistente\n<krabador> dpkg -l | grep jre\n<krabador> dpkg -l | grep icedtea\n<krabador> questi sono i comandi\n<ufalc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7517475/\n<krabador> hai mancato questo\n<krabador> dpkg -l | grep icedtea\n<ufalc> comba scusa ma lÃho messo e rimesso e mi dice inesistemte4\n<krabador> se hai messo questo, dpkg -l | grep flash icedtea si\n<krabador> dpkg -l | grep icedtea\n<krabador> cerca di esprimerti bene\n<ufalc> in che senso scusaÃ\n<krabador> hai rimandato il comando?\n<ufalc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7517499/\n<ufalc> scusami, cosa intendevi con esprimermi bene?\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install icedtea-7-plugin java7-jdk java7-runtime openjdk-7-jre\n<krabador> poi riavvio\n<ufalc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7517516/\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install icedtea-7-plugin java7-jdk openjdk-7-jre\n<ufalc> mi sa che sta scaricando.-.. Krabador sei un mito... senti.. serio mi dici cosa intendevi con cerca di esprimerti meglio? ti ha dato fastidio il compa? ma da noi é come dire fratello...\n<ufalc> o per gli errori ortografici? sto usando una tastiera tedesca\n<ufalc> e non ci sono abituato\n<krabador> lo so, ma il canale è loggato\n<krabador> il log puo' essere poi consultato da altri utenti\n<ufalc> quindi non ti posso chiamare compa :) hehehehe bo ok scusa allora....\n<krabador> :D\n<ufalc> quindi quando finisce di scaricare riavvio il sistema?\n<krabador> si\n<ufalc> ascolta, ma per quale motivo fino a questa mattina ho visto la diretta di la7 e questa sera no?\n<krabador> ufalc, dove la vedi la diretta di la7 ?\n<ufalc> sul loro sito\n<ufalc> mi sa che é un po troppo complicato.......\n<krabador> non credo.\n<ufalc> be tutti sti comandi strani... come si fa a saperli?\n<krabador> apt-get è il gestore dei pacchetti di ubuntu\n<ufalc> non si potrebbe renderlo meno complicato? hahahahahah scusa ma io ho lavorato 11 ore.... e quando torno a casa voglio solo rilassarmi, se devo scaricare qualcosa... dovrei scaricarlo da internet.... come un qualsiasi programma.... comunque grazie veramente di cuore\n<krabador> dpkg si usa per maneggiare i pacchetti deb, ovvero i pacchetti di ubuntu\n<krabador> ufalc, fondamentalmente è facile, pero' se vanno storte operazioni di aggiornamento ed installazione di programmio\n<krabador> programmi , possonon verificarsi cose del genere\n#ubuntu-it 2015-05-18\n<akis24> giorno\n<Mr_Pan> ciao akis24\n<aponedimaggio> ciao ragazzi, il mio notebook samsung ha da poco incominciato a fare un \"brutto\" rumore continuo e no-stop che suppongo sia la ventola, ieri sera la temperatura era salita sopra la norma quando ha incominciato a farlo, arrivando fino a 80°. dopo di che ho spento e lasciato riposare, l'ho poi riacceso e per ora la temperatura rimane sotto i 50° ma i\n<aponedimaggio> l rumore continua, mi sapete dare qualceh dritta? grazie\n<aponedimaggio> non c'è odore di bruciato\n<akis24> !chat | aponedimaggio\n<ubot-it> aponedimaggio: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<ripristino> Buongiorno il sistema operativo e' andato in crash non so per quale ragione c'e' una procedura per ripristinarlo senza perdere i dati perche' non mi fa montare il volume e non so come fare avevo nell'account tutti i file vorrei non perderli con la nuova istallazione\n<akis24> !ripristino | ripristino\n<ubot-it> ripristino: Per ripristinare un sistema danneggiato: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/RipristinoInstallazione\n<ripristino> ok quindi inserisco il dvd e avvio tipo nuova installazione ...solo che dovrei trovare nella schermata aggiorna ..giusto ?\n<akis24> ripristino: cosi è scritto sempreche' tu abbia la /home separata dalla partizione di sistema /\n<Carlin0> ripristino, ma che volume non ti fa montare ?\n<ripristino> ho istallato ubuntu in un hd sata da 500gb creato un account poi un giorno e' andato in crash il file system e non mi permette di accedere ai dati vado in home mi segnala che non puo' montare il volume cioe' il sistema operativo e continuamente apre e chiude il volume non so se sono stato chiaro ?\n<Carlin0> 'nzomma ... ripristino hai per caso criptato la home ?\n<ripristino> ora non so che cosa sia la home separata dalla partizione di sistema sinceramente la cavolata e' stata la mia che non ho separato i file dal sistema operativo ma credevo che non acacdessa ami un crash con ubuntu\n<ripristino> si per accedere chiede la password?\n<Carlin0> mai dire mai\n<ripristino> dall'inizio quando ho configurato il sistema anti impiccioni porta sfiga\n<Carlin0> e da live cd riesci ad accedere ai dati ?\n<ripristino> ci provo ma come apro mi dice che non puo' montare il volume e sparisce l'hd poi sopo 2 secondi riappare provo ad entrare stessa situazione un loop infinito\n<Carlin0> vabbè prova la procedura che ti ha indicato akis24\n<ripristino> ok paradossalmete parlando ma posso farla se attacco l'hd ad un altro pc o devo usare lo stesso pc ?\n<Carlin0> meglio sullo stesso pc\n<Carlin0> perchè configura l'hardware presente ...\n<ripristino> ok era perche' ora mi trovo in altro posto grazie infinite vi faro sapere buona giornata e buon lavoro\n<aponedimaggio> lubuntu è protetto dai virus comuni (ad es. pagine inattendibili, link pericolosi ecc) ?\n<gigirock> aponedimaggio, pagine inattendibili e link pericolosi non sono virus\n<Carlin0> aponedimaggio, i virus normalmente vengono fatti per win , poi ovvio che se si inventano un malware per java o altro ... insomma sicuro è morto come si dice\n<aponedimaggio> è possibile controllare se lubuntu abbia dei virus?\n<Carlin0> cmq io mai beccato un virus con linux\n<aponedimaggio> anche aprendo link, mail ecc segnalati come pericolosi?\n<Carlin0> aponedimaggio, l'antivirus normalmente si usa per controllare file che devi passare a win ma nessuno vieta di controllare anche partizioni linux\n<Carlin0> ma come ha detto gigirock non confondere virus con altro\n<aponedimaggio> che cosa si può passare di pericoloso con link e pagine inattendibili?\n<gigirock> !info clamav\n<ubot-it> clamav (source: clamav): anti-virus utility for Unix - command-line interface. In component main, is optional. Version 0.98.4+dfsg-2~ubuntu14.04.1 (trusty), package size 89 kB, installed size 687 kB\n<Carlin0> !info clamtk\n<ubot-it> clamtk (source: clamtk): graphical front-end for ClamAV. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.45-1 (trusty), package size 268 kB, installed size 1406 kB\n<gigirock> aponedimaggio, un file .zip contenente setup.exe che esegue \"format c: \"\n<aponedimaggio> ok grazie quindi faccio partire clamav che mi scannerizza il disco?\n<Carlin0> si si ma è inutile fattelo dire\n<aponedimaggio> ok :) 50° è una buona temperatura interna per un notebook?\n<Carlin0> esci dalla mentalità windowsiana\n<Carlin0> !chat | aponedimaggio\n<ubot-it> aponedimaggio: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<aponedimaggio> chiedevo della temperatura perchè ieri sera è arrivata tutto di un colpo a 80° conseguentemente all'inizio di un rumore tipo ronzio interno che non so a cosa associare (forse ventola iperattiva). l'ho poi spent oe lasciato riposare e quando lho riacceso è tornato a temperatura normale sotto i 50° o max 55-58. però il ronzio, che è abbastanza forte,\n<aponedimaggio> è continuato. cosa può essere?\n<Carlin0> !chat | aponedimaggio\n<ubot-it> aponedimaggio: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<akis24> aponedimaggio: di maggio se continui cosi vai fuori ..\n<akis24> aponedimaggio: sono gia' piu' volte che ti si dice di entrare in chat regolati per conseguenza\n<diego85> attualmento ho ubuntu 15.04 e riuscivo a stampare in wifi.. ora non mi lascia più stampare in wifi mi da errore come posso risolverlo?\n<cristian_c> diego85, stampante wifi?\n<diego85> si hp deskjet_2540 mi da errore device comunication 5012\n<diego85> premesso che fino a ieri stampava\n<cristian_c> diego85, attualmente funziona via usb?\n<diego85> si si ...\n<cristian_c> diego85, cancella la stampante dalle impostazioni\n<cristian_c> diego85, poi riaggiungila con: hp-setup -i indirizzoip\n<diego85> cristian_c grazie ora funziona\n<cristian_c> lol\n<diego85> ho un' altro problema con il bluetooth non riceve file\n<cristian_c> diego85, credo che il motivo sia uno\n<cristian_c> cioè il fatto che nel frattempo è cambiato l'ip\n<cristian_c> e quindi hai dovuto reimpostarla\n<cristian_c> diego85, su quale pc?\n<diego85> sempre su ubuntu 15.04 mi riconosce il cell tempo fa ricevevo file ora li invio e ubuntu non li riceve\n<cristian_c> diego85, su quale pc?\n<cristian_c> diego85, hai effettuato il pairing tra telefono e ubuntu 15.04?\n<diego85> scusa l' ignoranza ma cos'è il pairing?\n<cristian_c> diego85, accoppiamento\n<diego85> si si fatto\n<cristian_c> diego85, quando hai installato 15.04, hai effettuato il pairing?\n<cristian_c> diego85, come l'hai fatto?\n<diego85> ho aperto il gestore bluetooth ho fatto o\n<diego85> aggiungi o cerca dispositivo poi ho confermato lo stesso codice sia pc che cell e risulta accoppiato\n<cristian_c> diego85, e quindi il pc è stato aggiunto alla lista dei dispositivi sul cellulare?\n<diego85> si esatto e mi dice collegato-associato\n<diego85> ora noto un lucchetto sulla icona del bluetooth\n<cristian_c> diego85, quale icona?\n<diego85> quella con il simbolo bluetooth su ubuntu in alto a destra\n<cristian_c> ho capito\n<cristian_c> diego85, prova a cliccarci\n<cristian_c> diego85, magari devi modificare le impostazionu\n<cristian_c> *i\n<cristian_c> i permessi per quanto riguarda la ricezione\n<diego85> ok provo a darci un occhio grazie\n<cristian_c> diego85, fai sapere\n<diego85> ubuntu invia file ecc ma non riceve e avolte dove c'è la casellina visibile si spegne e devo riaccenderla\n<cristian_c> diego85, hai controlla le impostazioni del bluetooth su ubuntu in questo momento?\n<cristian_c> *controllato\n<diego85> quando clicco la voce impostazione mi apre una paginetta poi c'è la lista dispositivi e appare il cell\n<cristian_c> diego85, non sto parlando della lista dispositivi\n<cristian_c> ma delle impostazioni del bluetooth sul tuo pc\n<diego85> è quello che ho fatto\n<cristian_c> diego85, posta una schermata\n<cristian_c> !image | diego85\n<ubot-it> diego85: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<N3mo> Buongiorno, Potreste passarmi una guida per attivare l'iberazione su Kubuntu 15.04? l' avevo già fatto sulla 14.10 ed andava bene ma ora non so se posso seguire la stessa guida. Grazie.\n<cristian_c> N3\\http://askubuntu.com/questions/614662/how-to-enable-hibernation-in-15-04\n<cristian_c> lol\n<N3mo> Ubuntu Kubuntu cambia niente?\n<agarest> Buongiorno a tutti\n<cristian_c> N3mo, hai letto al link?\n<agarest> Avrei bisogno di un aiutino. usavo una live usb di ubuntu dove all'avvio dovevo mettere nomodeset acpi=off\n<agarest> ora ho fatto l'installazione nel portatile e vorrei che prendesse quell'impostazione di default all'avvio, come posso fare?\n<cristian_c> !parametriavvio\n<ubot-it> Parametri per avvio da live cd: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/ParametriAvvio | vedi anche https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelModeSetting\n<cristian_c> agarest, devi pacioccare /etc/default/grub\n<cristian_c> agarest, come scritto nel paragrafo in fondo alla pagina\n<agarest> ottimo, grazie mille! come posso aprire quel file come amministratore?\n<cristian_c> agarest, con sudo\n<cristian_c> agarest, sudo editorditesto /etc/default/grub\n<agarest> da terminale,ok\n<agarest> grazie ancora! Buona giornata!\n<cristian_c> agarest, ma se guardi bene, c'è il link\n<N3mo> cristian_c: SI.... non riesco a trovar eil percorso dove creare il file .... e in più l'autore dice che la funziona va solo da terminale... io ricordo che su 14.10 avevo dato un paio di comandi da temrinale e poi mi era apparsa anche la scritta nel menù di spegnimento\n<cristian_c> N3mo, veramente.... 'Log out and check that you can see the hibernate menu item on the login screen, do the same once you logged in.'\n<N3mo> cristian_c: EDIT>After installing hibernate package I can run it from the terminal, but still it is not available in the shutdown menu.\n<cristian_c> N3mo, nella risposta, non nella domanda\n<cristian_c> non devi guardare la domanda, ma la risposta\n<N3mo> cristian_c: Si, ma lui ha editato il primo post rispondedno a quello sotto e gli ha dewtto che non funziona nell' interfaccia grafica ma solo d aterminale, no?\n<cristian_c> N3mo, eh , no\n<cristian_c> guarda data e orario\n<cristian_c> N3mo, la risposta è successiva all'edit\n<N3mo> Ah, già :D allora provo a cercare quel percorso e crearci il file... speriamo di non far danni... :D\n<N3mo> cristian_c: Impossibile entrare nella cartella /etc/polkit-1/localauthority. credo di non disporre dei diritti necessari.... come si fa?\n<cristian_c> N3mo, come crei il file?\n<N3mo> No, non riesco a raggiungere la poszione... mi fermo alla cartella localeautority\n<N3mo> mi dice che non è possibile acedervi..\n<N3mo> sto utilizzando dolphin, non il temrinale\n<cristian_c> N3mo, prova a creare direttamente il file, no?\n<cristian_c> N3mo, oppure usa ls da root\n<cristian_c> sudo ls\n<ripristino> salve devo ripristinare ubuntu per un crash di sistema avevo cia' scritto stamane mi e' stato suggerito da live caricare aggiorna ubuntu in fase di istallazione ma trovo scritto solo 4 punti Reinstalla ubuntu e' quello che presumo sia il modo piu' giusto per salvare i dati chiedo conferma perche' la voce aggiorna non la trovo ?\n<N3mo> cristian_c: Dovrei esserci... ora creo il file ? http://pastebin.com/9fW5XUdh\n<cristian_c> N3mo, non loggarti come root, utilizza sudo\n<N3mo> Ok\n<N3mo> Creo il file in quella posizione?\n<cristian_c> N3mo, se la pagina dice quello...\n<N3mo> Speremo ben :D\n<cristian_c> N3mo, sì , ma ripeto, fai da utente con sudo\n<cristian_c> non da root\n<N3mo> Io ho dato sudo su\n<cristian_c> N3mo, sudo comando\n<cristian_c> N3mo, sudo editorditesto /percorso/file\n<N3mo> questo è il nome che deve avere il file, giusto ? com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla\n<cristian_c> N3mo, è scritto nella pagina\n<Lenders> Salve ragazzi avrei una domanda da porvi. Ho notato una cosa strana in Ubuntu 15.04 che qualche sito web non me lo visualizza correttamente ad esempio prima ero su Edreams a cercare alcune cose ma non riusciva a visualizzarsi bene ne con chrome ne con mozilla e per tanto ho dovuto chiudere e accendere windows...sapete se è solo un problema mio?\n<Carlin0> Lenders, magari il sito non è ottimizzato per quei browsers\n<Carlin0> Lenders, succede solo li o anche in altri siti ?\n<Lenders> Su chrome e su mozilla su windows me li visualizza correttamente solo su ubuntu no\n<Lenders> comunque tutti i siti di viaggi mi fa così\n<Lenders> e sinceramente mi scoccia chiudere e utilizzare windows se devo fare qualcosa\n<Carlin0> con gli stessi browser su win li vedi bene ?\n<Lenders> e certo\n<Carlin0> strano ... non so che dirti aspetta a vedere se qualcuno ne sa di +\n<Lenders> e infatti non capisco, sinceramente è molto scomoda questa cosa\n<Lenders> non so se siete su ubuntu magari provate anche voi ad andare sulla home di edreams\n<Carlin0> non sono su ubuntu 15.04 se no ti avrei chiesto un link\n<Lenders> magari anche sulla tua versione non va\n<Carlin0> sono su Debian Testing se vuoi provo eh\n<gigirock> Lenders, aggiorna java , aggiorna flashplugin\n<gigirock> firefox si e' aggiornato ieri\n<Lenders> non mi appare nessun aggiornamento comunque se vi va di provare scrivete edreams su google e cliccate il primo link\n<Carlin0> Lenders, se non ti fa vedere aggiornamenti puoi provare lo stesso con â sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade\n<Lenders> ora provo\n<gigirock> Lenders su ubuntu mate 15 64 bit funziona\n<Lenders> sulla home devi andare\n<Lenders> solo alcune pagine non vanno\n<Carlin0> chrome non lo visualizza bene cmq ...\n<Carlin0> hai ragione\n<Lenders> e vedi\n<Carlin0> non è un problema di ubuntu però\n<Carlin0> è un problema de browser\n<dadexix86> chrome 42.......152 a me non dà problemi, esattamente quali problemi riscontrate?\n<Lenders> e non so su windows con gli stessi browser vanno benissimo\n<Lenders> la pagina non si visualizza correttamente e ne la ricerca\n<Carlin0> Versione 42.0.2311.152\n<Carlin0> la pagina risulta tutta bianca con solo le scritte\n<Lenders> comunque aggiornamenti fatti e non va lo stesso\n<dadexix86> questo è il mio screenshot http://it.tinypic.com/r/10empap/8\n<dadexix86> stessa versione di Chrome di Carlin0\n<Carlin0> dadexix86, in pratica a me non carica le immagini\n<Lenders> e neanche a me\n<Lenders> e se provo a fare ricerca non va perchè appaiono sempre le lettere\n<Carlin0> e manco su ff (iceweasel)\n<Lenders> praticamente è inutilizzabile il siti da ubuntu\n<Lenders> sito*\n<dadexix86> anche edreams.it a me funziona bene, ricerca compresa. ora provo con firefox\n<dadexix86> Lenders, a me funziona bene :)\n<Lenders> e a me no\n<krabador> Lenders, dpkg -l | grep icedtea\n<dadexix86> Lenders, hai mica una ATI o Nvidia con driver proprietari?\n<Lenders> nvidia\n<dadexix86> Carlin0, tu quale scheda video hai?\n<Lenders> krabador devo scrivere quello sul terminale?\n<Carlin0> nvidia anch'io\n<dadexix86> appena provato, funziona bene anche su firefox 38.0\n<krabador> Lenders, se hai voglia\n<Carlin0> e per forza di cose devi usare i driver proprietari , i nouveau sono buggati\n<dadexix86> io ho una nvidia, con i proprietari (ma al momento sono su 14.04!)\n<Carlin0> krabador, cosa va installato icedtea-plugin ?\n<dadexix86> versione 331.113 dei driver\n<Carlin0> dadexix86, io su debian testing\n<Lenders> krabador ho scritto ma non mi appare nulla\n<krabador> Lenders, sudo apt-get install icedtea-7-plugin\n<dadexix86> personalmente non credo che sia un problema di icedtea, perché google chrome non utilizza il plugin java (che è npapi)\n<krabador> Lenders, chiudi e riapri firefox/chromium e riprova\n<Lenders> krabador fatto non cambia nulla\n<krabador> Lenders, manda screen di come vedi questo sito\n<Lenders> ok\n<dadexix86> Carlin0, quale versione hai dei driver nvidia?\n<Lenders> ecco http://i.imgur.com/YAjzAp2.png\n<Carlin0> dadexix86, quella per schede vecchie\n<krabador> Lenders, puoi mandare uno screen di firefox ?\n<Carlin0> nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver\n<Lenders> krabador a te http://i.imgur.com/kpzKGVT.png\n<dadexix86> Lenders tu quali driver hai? se vai direttamente su www.edreams.it senza tutta quella sfilza di parametri di connessione hai lo stesso problema?\n<Lenders> io ho gli ultimi per la mia scheda\n<Lenders> gt740M\n<Carlin0> io lo vedo come Lenders\n<dadexix86> Lenders, intendi quelli instabili scaricabili dal sito nvidia? dacci il numero di versione, che \"ultimi\" vuol dire poco o nulla :)\n<Carlin0> krabador, tu come lo vedi ?\n<Lenders> e come faccio a vederli da ubuntu?\n<Lenders> comunque non sono le versioni beta ma quelle collaudate\n<Carlin0> non vorrei dire un a cazzata ma potrebbe essere problema di rete\n<Carlin0> Lenders, dpkg -l | grep nvidia\n<dadexix86> Lenders dal pannello di controllo nvidia, la seconda riga è \"NVIDIA Driver Version\"\n<Carlin0> metti su paste\n<Carlin0> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<krabador> beh, io personalmente, ultimo chromium, lo vedo correttamente , ma non fa ricerche , e se faccio f5 lo vedo come lenders\n<dadexix86> Carlin0, potrebbe benissimo essere un problema di rete. Lenders hai la stessa visualizzazione scomposta anche se non gli passi parametri?\n<krabador> al che, lo vedo correttamente , se ci vado dalla barra degli indirizzi\n<Carlin0> secondo me è un problema di rete\n<krabador> Carlin0, io non ho problemi di rete, ma con f5 lo vedo come lenders\n<Lenders> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11205241/\n<Lenders> a voi\n<Carlin0> krabador, problema di rete tra il server di edreams e noi\n<Carlin0> dadexix86, è in germania passa altri nodi\n<Lenders> allora io con la stessa rete su windows lo vedo bene\n<krabador> Carlin0, se ci vado tramite la barra degli indirizzi lo visualizzo correttamente\n<krabador> solo se faccio f5 implode\n<Carlin0> cosa vuoi dire tramite barra degli indirizzi ? che lo scrivi a mano ?\n<Lenders> Carlin0 ti ho postato il risultato sul terminale hai visto?\n<dadexix86> Carlin0, sì, scrivi a mano www.edreams.it e dai invio, stessa cosa per Lenders e controllate se lo vedete o meno\n<Carlin0> Lenders, si ma era a dadexix86 che interessavano i tuoi driver\n<Lenders> ho provato non mi va ugualmente\n<krabador> http://i.imgur.com/BzGcsNC.png\n<Carlin0> dadexix86, già fatto , ho provato anche com al posto di it\n<Carlin0> nisba\n<krabador> al che , se faccio f5 esplode\n<Carlin0> ma è un problema del sito\n<Carlin0> che magari l'hanno provato solo su win e su certi browser\n<Lenders> mi sembra strano è un sito piuttosto importante\n<Lenders> poi può darsi tutto\n<krabador> beh, \"piuttosto importante\"\n<krabador> Lenders, fanno i siti come vogliono\n<Lenders> per i voli è il più trafficato\n<Lenders> be si sicuramente\n<Carlin0> sarebbe utile segnalarglielo\n<krabador> c'è ancora chi sfrutta esclusive internet explorer\n<Carlin0> magari provvedono a cambiare webmaster o a ingropparselo\n<krabador> specialmente roba amministrativa\n<Lenders> vabè però è strano che krabador lo visualizza e noi no\n<Lenders> qualcosa che non va c'è perforza\n<krabador> anche dadexix86 lo vede\n<tdk200> Salve a tutti voi raga\n<Carlin0> questioni di rete Lenders anche dadexix86 lo vede\n<tdk200> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<dadexix86> ciao tdk200\n<Lenders> ma ti ripeto con questa rete su windows va da dio\n<dadexix86> confermo, anche dopo un F5 continuo a vederlo bene\n<Carlin0> Lenders, qualcosa che non va c'è ma non sui nostri pc\n<dadexix86> Lenders, secondo me c'è qualche nodo di rete che blocca determinato traffico proveniente da Linux, non è un problema dei vostri PC ma del sito o comunque della rete\n<Lenders> mannaia\n<krabador> anche in firefox mi esplode se mando f5\n<tdk200> ragazzi ho un problema con questo programma droidcam che ho installato con un pacchetto del gruppo dev47apps\n<dadexix86> se ispezionate la pagina (f12 su Chrome) dovreste riuscire a vedere se e cosa viene bloccato\n<tdk200> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11205369/\n<krabador> Lenders, hai in precedenza in qualche modo accettato i/il loro cookie ?\n<Carlin0> è un problema misto rete/sito\n<tdk200> Ho installato senza problemi droidcam ma ogni volta che spengo il pc e lo riaccendo l'applicazione mi dice che il device non è installato\n<tdk200> e devo installardo sempre da capo\n<Carlin0> krabador, ho provato anche svuotando la cache\n<krabador> tdk200, per favore, leggi la documentazione di cio che cerchi di installare di esterno ai repositories, non ne rispondiamo, quantomeno non qui nel canale supporto\n<Lenders> no so ragazzi se trovate qualche soluzioni scrivete grazie mille!\n<dadexix86> io stacco, buona giornata a tutti\n<Carlin0> Lenders, la miglior soluzione (anche per il futuro) è segnalare l'anomalia\n<Carlin0> altro non saprei\n<krabador> Lenders, svuota completamente la cache dei cookies, controlla che non sia bloccato javascript, e ripristina impostazioni carattere / visualizzazione , del browser, se le hai modificate per qualche ragione\n<Carlin0> http://www.edreams.it/engine/call_center/eptica/ io ho mandato segnalazione\n<azzardoincredibi> ciao ho provato a installare un pacchetto libav per plugin dell'estensione videodownload helper e mi ha dato questo errore con un \"!\" in basso a destra nella barra. Mi dice: si è verificato un errore, per ulteriori informazioni sull'errore avviare il gestore dei pacchetti tramite il menù richiamabile con click destro del mouse, oppure dare il com\n<azzardoincredibi> ando apt-get dal terminale. Il messaggio di errore è << Errore: BrokenCount >0. Di solito questo significa che i pacchetti installati presentano delle dipendenze irrisolte. che fare?\n<azzardoincredibi> non mi avvia il terminale perchè dice che c'è già un applicazioen simile aperta ma di fatti non ho nessun terminale aperto ...\n<reddiz> nemmeno se fai con tasto destro sull'icona \"nuovo terminale\" ?\n<Carlin0> azzardoincredibi, chiudi software center e gestore pacchetti\n<reddiz> era successo anche a me\n<azzardoincredibi> non sono aperti! :)\n<azzardoincredibi> tasto destro su quale icona reddiz? non vedo nuovo terminale\n<reddiz> azzardo, punta col mouse sulll icona del terminale, e fai \"tasto destro\" e \"nuovo terminale\"\n<reddiz> provaci poi dimmi! io avevo risolto cosi.. era un piccolo bug che avevo solo io forse :)\n<reddiz> se riavvia il pc.. il buon vecchio metodo per risolvere mooooolti problemi è questo ahahah\n<azzardoincredibi> uso lxterminal ma non viene fuori nessun icona nuovo terminale p.s. sn su lubuntu\n<krabador> azzardoincredibi, ctrl alt t\n<azzardoincredibi> pensa che sia successo perchè durtante l'installazione di un pacchetto libav alla fine mi è venuta fuori una finestra di terms agreement di Microsoft e non mi faceva procedere quindi ho chiuso il terminale.\n<reddiz> ah cavolo...\n<reddiz> allora non saprei come aiutarti, forse su google trovi una soluzione.. magari sul forum di lubuntu/ubuntu\n<krabador> azzardoincredibi, con il tasto tab avresti pututo selezionare yes\n<azzardoincredibi> questo è il messaggio che mi esce se clicco su \"mostra aggiornamenti\" nella tendina che esce dal punto esclamativo\n<krabador> per accettare i termini microsoft e non avresti bloccato l'installazione\n<azzardoincredibi> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/vLqPVvRfCNgd3DRS46NA\n<krabador> azzardoincredibi, non s'è aperto il terminale ?\n<azzardoincredibi> no\n<azzardoincredibi> faccio continua o esegui aggiornamento parziale?\n<krabador> azzardoincredibi, no\n<krabador> ctrl alt f2, avrai un terminale a tutto schermo, in cui devi eseguire il login testuale, con user e pass, al che digiti sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock sudo dpkg --configure -a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade\n<krabador> per tornare qui, ctrl alt f7\n<reddiz> ragazzi come posso mettere ogni volta che chiudo hexchat, la frase \"quit:ciao a tutti/arrivederci\" ???\n<azzardoincredibi> ok krabador alla fine mi ha detto 15 Pacchetti aggiornati. 1 pacchetto non completamente installato o rimosso e poi. E: Impossibile impostare blocco a /var/cache/apt/archives/lock e poi E: impossibile bloccare la directory /var/cache/apt/archive\n<azzardoincredibi> ma il terminale a schermo pieno ha funzionalità diverse dagli altri?\n<Carlin0> no\n<azzardoincredibi> krabador mi sai dire?\n<Carlin0> azzardoincredibi, hai per caso aperto software center o gestore pacchetti ?\n<azzardoincredibi> solamente la finestra di aggiornamento che ho linkato prima con filepicker, che krabador mi ha detto di lasciare stare\n<Carlin0> sicuro che ti ha detto questo ?\n<azzardoincredibi> scrolla un attimo più su e vedi anche tu\n<Carlin0> perchè leggendo indietro non lo vedo\n<azzardoincredibi> gli ho chiesto se dovevo fare continua o esegui avanzamento parziale e mi ha detto no\n<Carlin0> no ma non di tenere la finestra aperta\n<azzardoincredibi> ok quindi la chiudo?\n<Carlin0> certo\n<azzardoincredibi> e cosa mi dovrebbe cambiare ora?\n<Carlin0> chiudi anche il gestore aggiornamenti\n<azzardoincredibi> quello non è mai stato aperto\n<Carlin0> ok ora segui quello che ti ha detto prima\n<Carlin0> <krabador> ctrl alt f2, avrai un terminale a tutto schermo, in cui devi eseguire il login testuale, con user e pass, al che digiti sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock sudo dpkg --configure -a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade\n<Carlin0> <krabador> per tornare qui, ctrl alt f7\n<azzardoincredibi> ok il risultato è lo stesso\n<azzardoincredibi> p.s. posso tornare al desktop mentre esegue dal terminale a schermo pieno senza interrompere?\n<Carlin0> ma se sta eseguendo come fai a sapere il risultato ?\n<azzardoincredibi> ha finito :)\n<azzardoincredibi> quindi quel risultato che cosa signfica per un povero ignorante come me?\n<Carlin0> che risultato ?\n<Carlin0> ha aggiornato o no ?\n<azzardoincredibi> aveva già aggiornato ma dice sempre che c'è 1 elemento non completamente installato o rimosso.\n<azzardoincredibi> poi come prima dice E: Impossibile impostare blocco a /var/cache/apt/archives/lock e poi E: impossibile bloccare la directory /var/cache/apt/archive\n<giures67> non riesco a far partire kodi chi mi da una mano?\n<Carlin0> e se dai sudo spt-get -f install\n<Carlin0> cosa dice ?\n<Carlin0> ops scusa\n<Carlin0> e se dai sudo apt-get -f install\n<azzardoincredibi> indentico a prima dice E: Impossibile impostare blocco a /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: risorsa temporaneamente non disponibile) e poi E: impossibile bloccare la directory /var/cache/apt/archive\n<azzardoincredibi> sempre 1 elemento non completamente installato o rimosso\n<krabador> azzardoincredibi, sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock\n<krabador> rimanda sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade\n<krabador> giures67, in quale ubuntu ?\n<giures67> ubuntu 14.04 lts derivata xubuntu\n<krabador> giures67, allora, nel repositories troverai xbmc\n<giures67> gia provato nn funziona ho provato anche forum 0\n<krabador> nella versione 12.3\n<krabador> \"già provata non funziona\" ---> cosa fa ?\n<giures67> e' installato perchè esiste nel multimedia l'icona , ma se clicco nn parte parte 1a schermata poi ritorn al desktop .\n<krabador> giures67, ed hai installato i repositories di kodi , segnalati nel sito ufficiale, per poi installare kodi?\n<giures67> si ci ho smanettatoto tt ieri niente\n<krabador> non hai disinstallato la precedente versione di xbmc installata, prima ?\n<giures67> gia fatto nulla\n<krabador> giures67, queste domande sono per sapere lo stato attuale della macchina\n<krabador> non se hai risolto o meno\n<krabador> apri il terminale, scrivi kodi, manda invio e vedi cosa compare\n<giures67> Segmentation fault (core dumped)\n<giures67> Crash report available at /home/giures67/kodi_crashlog-20150518_160420.log\n<krabador> giures67, sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> giures67, cat /home/giures67/kodi_crashlog-20150518_160420.log | pastebinit\n<giures67> e scusami ma avevo capito che le domande erano per quel motivo\n<krabador> giures67, il secondo comando restituisce un link , nel terminale, copialo ed incollalo qui\n<giures67> giures67@giures67-TravelMate-2700:~$ sudo apt-get install pasterbinit\n<giures67> [sudo] password for giures67:\n<giures67> Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto\n<giures67> Generazione albero delle dipendenze\n<giures67> Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto\n<giures67> E: Impossibile trovare il pacchetto pasterbinit\n<Carlin0> ecco :P\n<Carlin0> pasteRbinit\n<Carlin0> giures67, è meglio che fai copia/incolla dei comandi così non rischi di sbagliare\n<giures67> giures67@giures67-TravelMate-2700:~$ sudo apt-get install pasterbinit\n<giures67> [sudo] password for giures67:\n<giures67> Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto\n<giures67> Generazione albero delle dipendenze\n<giures67> Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto\n<giures67> E: Impossibile trovare il pacchetto pasterbinit\n<Carlin0> ci insiste\n<krabador> c'è talento\n<azzardoincredibi> krabador mi dice che è necessario scaricare un archivioda 360kb accetto?\n<krabador> si, accetta7\n<krabador> azzardoincredibi, se parli del comando che ti ho dato\n<krabador> giures67_, prima che incolli ancora il risultato del comando che hai dato sbagliato\n<krabador> ti faccio presente che sei stato buttato fuori dal floodbot perchè non si possono incollare lunghi output in canale\n<krabador> ti reincollo i comandi che ti ho mandato alle 16:05\n<krabador> <krabador> giures67, sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> <krabador> giures67, cat /home/giures67/kodi_crashlog-20150518_160420.log | pastebinit\n<giures67_> giures67@giures67-TravelMate-2700:~$ sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<giures67_> Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto Generazione albero delle dipendenze Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto\n<krabador> giures67_, per favore\n<krabador> solo del secondo comando\n<giures67_> pastebinit è già alla versione più recente. I seguenti pacchetti sono stati installati automaticamente e non sono più richiesti:\n<krabador> ti è stato chiesto\n<krabador> ti incollare qui\n<krabador> l'output\n<krabador> cerca di non fare di testa tua, chiedi , se qualcosa non ti è chiaro\n<azzardoincredibi> dice che si sono verificati dei problemi nell'elaborazione\n<krabador> azzardoincredibi, posta il contenuto completo del comando\n<krabador> *risultato\n<giures67_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11207267/\n<azzardoincredibi> E: sub process usr/bin/dkpg returned an error code\n<azzardoincredibi> come faccio dal terminale a schermo pieno, funziona stamp immagine schermo?\n<krabador> azzardoincredibi, sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<N3mo> Copia tutto su !pastebin\n<krabador> se installa, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade | pastebinit\n<azzardoincredibi> è già presente\n<krabador> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade | pastebinit\n<krabador> giures67_, sudo lshw -C video | pastebinit\n<azzardoincredibi> ok e ora come lo uso pastebinit\n<krabador> azzardoincredibi, devi mandare proprio il comando che ti ho postato\n<N3mo> dopo il comando inserisci |pastebin\n<N3mo> dopo il comando inserisci |pastebinit\n<krabador> N3mo, attento\n<azzardoincredibi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11207506/\n<krabador> azzardoincredibi, non c'è nessun problema\n<krabador> sudo apt-get -y autoremove | pastebinit\n<azzardoincredibi> lo posso tenere pastebin o è meglio toglierlo?\n<krabador> \"lo posso tenere pastebin o è meglio toglierlo\" ---> che fastidio ti da?\n<azzardoincredibi> quello era il comando per rimuoverlo?\n<krabador> azzardoincredibi, con autoremove, togli roba non piu' necessaria\n<azzardoincredibi> ok\n<azzardoincredibi> grazie for the support buona serata\n<krabador> manda l'output\n<azzardoincredibi> quindi ora quell'installazione di libav che era rimasta a metà è stata eliminata o completata? :D\n<krabador> azzardoincredibi, vuoi o no mandare l'output del comando che ti è stato suggerito?\n<azzardoincredibi> ok ma ora mi ha rimosso libreoffice? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11207595/\n<krabador> versione precedente\n<azzardoincredibi> ok quindi mi sai rispondere all'ultima domanda?\n<krabador> autoremove non taglia roba in uso dall'utente\n<krabador> ma non avevi salutato?\n<azzardoincredibi> posso finire l'installazione di libav o la devo riprendere dall'inizio?\n<azzardoincredibi> mi sono ricordato della domanda da cui è nato tutto :)\n<krabador> reinstalla, e manda pure sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-addons lubuntu-restricted-extras\n<azzardoincredibi> ora posso riprendere a usare il terminale normale o sempre quello a schermo pieno?\n<krabador> dopo l'ultimo comando riavvia\n<azzardoincredibi> ok\n<azzardoincredibi> ciao buona serata :)\n<krabador> buona serata a te\n<krabador> <krabador> giures67_, sudo lshw -C video | pastebinit\n<giures67_> giures67@giures67-TravelMate-2700:~$ sudo lshv -C video | pastebinit sudo: lshv: command not found Si sta tentando di inviare un documento vuoto, in chiusura.\n<giures67_> questo e' cio' che e' uscito\n<krabador> giures67_, ma ti preoccupi, prima di mandare comandi nel terminale, di averli digitati correttamente ?\n<giures67_> si\n<krabador> sei veramente sicuro ?\n<giures67_> la il post 17:17 l'ho fatto c copia e incolla\n<krabador> ma bravo, e , per favore, se non ti urta, puoi riportare quello che ti ho suggerito, e subito dopo quello che hai mandato?\n<giures67_> [16:48] <krabador> giures67_, sudo lshw -C video | pastebinit\n<azzardoincredibi> mi ha datto errore di elaborazione nellultimo comando prima di riavviare krabador\n<giures67_> [17:17] <giures67_> giures67@giures67-TravelMate-2700:~$ sudo lshv -C video | pastebinit sudo: lshv: command not found Si sta tentando di inviare un documento vuoto, in chiusura.\n<azzardoincredibi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11207595/\n<krabador> giures67_, e non noti nessuna differenza?\n<krabador> azzardoincredibi, il pastebin che hai mandato non riporta niente del genere\n<azzardoincredibi> bè sono rimasti 19 pacchetti non installati che il comando che mi hai dato voleva installare\n<krabador> azzardoincredibi, se devi mandare pastebin, deve essere presente il problema\n<krabador> altrimenti non ha senso\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-addons lubuntu-restricted-extras | pastebinit\n<azzardoincredibi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11207991/ . ok allora l'errore non importa?\n<giures67_> scusa , nn ti sto prenedendo in giro , nn mi sono accorto\n<giures67_> ti invio nuovo\n<krabador> giures67_, ok, manda il comando corretto\n<giures67_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11207993/\n<giures67_> e? questo quello che cerchi ?\n<krabador> si\n<giures67_> grazie sorry\n<azzardoincredibi> quindi è a posto krabador?\n<krabador> azzardoincredibi, se ci fosse stato un problema, sarebbe stato nuovamente riportato\n<azzardoincredibi> ok bona\n<krabador> azzardoincredibi, nessun problema da questo .\n<krabador> giures67_, cat /usr/share/applications | pastebinit\n<krabador> giures67_, puoi copiare da qui , ed incollare\n<krabador> nel terminale, per evitare rischi di errori\n<giures67_> ok eseguo\n<krabador> giures67_, ci sei ?\n<giures67_> si\n<krabador> il link allora?\n<giures67_> giures67@giures67-TravelMate-2700:~$ cat /usr/share/applications | pastebinit cat: /usr/share/applications: à una directory Si sta tentando di inviare un documento vuoto, in chiusura.\n<giures67_> ho copiato ed incoll\n<krabador> ls -la /usr/share/applications | pastebinit\n<krabador> errore mio\n<giures67_> ok eseguo\n<giures67_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11208134/\n<krabador> cat /usr/share/applications/kodi.desktop | pastebinit\n<giures67_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11208160/\n<krabador> giures67_, sudo mousepad /usr/share/applications/kodi.desktop\n<krabador> ti aprirà l'editor di testo con un testo all'interno\n<giures67_> ok\n<krabador> modifica la linea Exec=kodi con Exec=sh -c \"MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=3.0 kodi\"\n<krabador> salvi chiudi e provi a mandare kodi\n<giures67_> ok eseguo\n<giures67_> giures67@giures67-TravelMate-2700:~$ kodi Segmentation fault (core dumped) Crash report available at /home/giures67/kodi_crashlog-20150518_174144.log\n<krabador> giures67_, cat /usr/share/applications/kodi.desktop | pastebinit\n<giures67_> se è irrisolvibile pazienza\n<krabador> cat /home/giures67/kodi_crashlog-20150518_174144.log | pastebinit\n<giures67_> ok\n<krabador> hai un hardware decisamente datato, per i cambiamenti che ha subito xbmc/kodi, negli ultimi anni\n<giures67_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11208264/\n<krabador> giures67_, mi hai mandato solo il secondo\n<giures67_> solo questo mi da\n<krabador> te ne ho indicati 2\n<krabador> sveglia\n<krabador> la riga prima di <giures67_> se è irrisolvibile pazienza\n<giures67_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11208352/\n<krabador> vabeh, io adesso devo andare, se non risolvi ti consiglio di disinstallare la versione di kodi che hai messo dai repositories kodi, installare la versione di xbmc presente nei repositories ufficiali, e modificare l'eseguibile di xbmc, nello stesso modo in cui abbiamo modificato l'esegubile di kodi, ma con Exec=sh -c \"MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=3.0 xbmc\" al posto di Exec=sh -c \"MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=3.0 kodi\"\n<krabador> giures67_, cerca di non prendere in giro chi cerca di aiutarti\n<giures67_> ok grazie ciao e scusa il disturbo\n<giures67_> io non ho preso in giro nesuno , comunque grazie lo stesso\n<giures67_> ==\n<giures67_> == giures67\n<valentluca> Salve, ho installato MATE su Ubuntu 14.04 seguendo la guida ufficiale. Ora però non riesco a disinstallarlo. Qualcuno potrebbe aiutarmi? Grazie\n<wuolfit> ciao a tutti\n<wuolfit> ho il seguente problema ho 3 registrazioni da cui vorrei eliminare i rumori ed aumentare il volume delle voce presenti\n<wuolfit> esiste un programma per far si che cio' sia possibile?\n<cybernova> wuolfit, prova audacity\n<cybernova> !info audacity | wuolfit\n<ubot-it> wuolfit: audacity (source: audacity): fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.5-1ubuntu3 (trusty), package size 2404 kB, installed size 6397 kB\n<wuolfit> ok grazie ora provo.....\n<cybernova> wuolfit, è molto famoso nell'ambiente, un vero e proprio programma professionale\n<wuolfit> se mai vi ricontatto se ho problemi\n<wuolfit> grazie cybernova\n<wuolfit> ciao di nuovo ho scaricato audacity ed l'ho provato ma non essendo pratico non sono riuscito nel mio intento cosa dovrei fare per eliminare i rumori ed aumentare il volume delle voci?\n<patricia_> buonasera a tutti...ho xubuntu 12.04 installato su un notebook asus...da qualche giorno riscontro degli arresti di sistema improvvisi, come se facessi correttamente uno shoutdown... come posso capire il motivo di questi arresti?\n<patricia_> PS: mi sono segnato anche gli orari e i giorni di questi arresti su un foglietto..\n<wuolfit> hai per caso programmato degli spegnimenti patricia_?\n<patricia_> wuolfit, no.. inoltre capitano con cadenza differente\n<patricia_> uno anche circa una mezz'oretta fa\n<wuolfit> hai fatto per caso modifiche hardware che potrebbero aumentare la temperatura della cp?\n<wuolfit> cpu scusa\n<patricia_> nemmeno wuolfit ... il pc in questione è ad uso di una mia collega di lavoro che desiderava avere un os leggero per utilizzarlo per navigare sul web e stop...\n<patricia_> in questo momento sto escludendo danni all'hd con badblocks...\n<wuolfit> in quanti usano il pc?\n<patricia_> la mia collega e suo marito per le medesime cose...facebook, giochetti in flash online e skype. nient'altro..\n<wuolfit> strano....penso\n<patricia_> infatti wuolfit ..\n<wuolfit> puo' essere un problema di connettori dell'alimentazione?\n<wuolfit> esmpio mettendo mano ad un hp portatile con winzoz 8 se toglievo la batteria e lo attaccavo alla corrente non si accendeva\n<patricia_> no wuolfit...il pc si spegne andado proprio in shoutdown...\n<patricia_> non si spegne \"come se mancasse l'alimentazione\"\n<aiutooo> salve, ho comprato un paio di cuffie con microfono da attaccare al pc tramite usb\n<aiutooo> sono di marca microsoft, esistono dei driver per poterle utilizzare su ubuntu?\n<wuolfit> si attaccale e vai\n<aiutooo> non funzionano se le attacco e basta\n<patricia_> ma mi stavo chiedendo...esiste un registro eventi su xubuntu? cosicchè possa visualizzare gli errori che compaiono prima di questi strani spegnimenti del pc?\n<cybernova> wuolfit, a quello ci devi pensare te, guarda la wiki di audacity che sicuramente ti darà qualche informazione in più: http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Audacity_Wiki_Home_Page\n<wuolfit> grazie cybernova\n<cybernova> wuolfit, prego, quello che vuoi fare non è banale ed esistono professionisti apposta che sanno cosa fare e come, in bocca al lupo\n<wuolfit> crepi\n<wuolfit> aiutooo devi dire al sistema quale periferica usare invece delle solite cuffie o micreofono\n<aiutooo> wuolfit: come faccio?\n<wuolfit> su impostazioni audio\n<wuolfit> c'e' tutto\n<patricia_> sono al 40% dell'analisi di badblocks ma ancora nessun errore...\n<moonlight> Buona sera, ho installato xfce4 su ubuntu 14.04 ma adesso non riesco ad eliminarlo! Qualcuno potrebbe aiutarmi?\n<patricia_> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<moonlight> Ho provato in tutti i modi: con sudo apt-get purge, con sudo apt-get remove... ma non si disinstalla!\n<krabador> moonlight, sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<patricia_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11210806/ questo è il syslog raga.... forse da qua si capisce perchè xubuntu fa spegnere il pc?\n<krabador> moonlight, dpkg -l | grep xfce4 | pastebinit\n<patricia_> anzi...perchè il pc si spegne senza motivo.....\n<moonlight> ho risolto da solo\n<moonlight> al riavvio xfce4 non c'è più\n<moonlight> adesso, come disinstallo mate?\n<krabador> moonlight, risolvi da solo\n<krabador> visto che lasci gente ad aspettare il risultato dei comandi\n<patricia_> forse ho trovato! 19:17:41 patricia-K53BR kernel: [ 2033.493031] Critical temperature reached (99 C), shutting down.\n<patricia_> quindi il motivo di sti spegnimenti è in questo errore immagino..\n<krabador> patricia_, beh, decisamente, è un notebook o un fisso?\n<patricia_> un notebook krabador\n<moonlight> ho risolto dando il tuo comando e rimuovendo i pacchetti segnati\n<patricia_> in che modo posso capire quale sensore rileva questa temperatura troppo alta e quindi manda in shoutdown il pc?\n<krabador> patricia_, smontalo, pulisci la ventola, e cambia la pasta termoconduttiva alla cpu\n<patricia_> ok krabador\n<krabador> Paradisee, se arrivi veramente a 99°, rischi molto di piu' di spegnimenti improvvisi del sistema\n<krabador> patricia_, se arrivi veramente a 99°, rischi molto di piu' di spegnimenti improvvisi del sistema\n<patricia_> adesso faccio una stampa del log e lo faccio vedere alla proprietaria del pc...intanto grazie mille\n<patricia_> buona serata\n<krabador> moonlight, che guida hai seguito per installare mate?\n<moonlight> Quella della wiki\n<moonlight> di ubuntu-it\n<krabador> moonlight, dpkg -l | grep ubuntu-mate-dev | pastebinit\n<krabador> incolla qui il link risultante\n<Real83> Qualcuno disponibile per due \"aiutini\"?\n<fabio_cc> !qualcuno | Real83\n<ubot-it> Real83: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<Real83> Silvelight esite per Ubuntu?\n<Real83> o almeno qualcosa di analogo\n<fabio_cc> !pipelight | Real83\n<ubot-it> Real83: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/InternetRete/Navigazione/Pipelight\n<Real83> thx\n<fabio_cc> Real83, prego\n<valerio81> buonasera a tutti. Vorrei chiedervi un aiuto per installare per far partire un programma, si chiama LinuxBand.\n<valerio81> o meglio, l'ho installato, ma quando lo lancio, il terminale mi restituisce questo messaggio\n<valerio81> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11213803/\n<Carlin0> !chat | valerio81\n<ubot-it> valerio81: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<valerio81> ok, grazie mille\n#ubuntu-it 2015-05-19\n<piro80> buongiorno a tutti su un pc ho installato ubuntu 14.04 ho installato l'ambiente grafico enlightenment ho impostato un tema adesso sul pc mi appare la scrivania del tema impostato ma non mi fa fare nulla apparte muovere il mouse\n<Guest50192> Buongiorno a tutti. Uso Ubuntu 14.04 lts e credo di avere un problema di eccessivo consumo RAM, ma vorrei essere aiutato a capire se è vero. Non riesco a vedere video perchè \"saltano\" con qualsiasi browser (Firefox e Chrome). E mi serve vederli per lavoro. Qualcuno può aiutarmi?\n<Guest50192> c'è nessuno?\n<krabador> good morning\n<akis24> giorno\n<piro80> buongiorno a tutti su un pc ho installato ubuntu 14.04 ho installato l'ambiente grafico enlightenment ho impostato un tema adesso sul pc mi appare la scrivania del tema impostato ma non mi fa fare nulla apparte muovere il mouse\n<krabador> piro80, seleziona un'altro ambiente al login\n<piro80> non mi permette di fare nulla\n<krabador> piro80, il login\n<krabador> piro80, http://i.stack.imgur.com/ovESn.png qui\n<piro80> se posso fare qualcosa solo all'avvio\n<krabador> http://c-nergy.be/blog/wp-content/gallery/xrdp14-04/lxde_3a.png qui\n<krabador> selezioni l'altro ambiente grafico\n<piro80> non riesco perchè avevo impostato di entrare direttamente quindi non passo per la schermata di login ma entra direttamente e da dentro non mi permette di chiudere la sessione\n<krabador> piro80, male, sconsigliabilissimo disabilitare il login\n<krabador> piro80, ctrl alt t, apre un terminale ?\n<piro80> eee me ne sono accorto comunque fortunatamente non avevo ancora caricato dati o altro quindi penso che farò una reistallazione\n<piro80> provato non appare il terminale\n<krabador> piro80, ctrl alt f2 , effettui il login testuale , sudo mv ~/.config ~/.config_old , sudo reboot\n<piro80> provato anche ctrl alt f2 non da segni di vita\n<krabador> piro80, riavvia, seleziona la seconda voce dall'alto in grub , seleziona ulteriormente la seconda voce dall'alto del menu che compare\n<krabador> avrai il menu della modalità ripristino\n<krabador> selezioni root\n<krabador> mount -o remount,rw /\n<krabador> digiti ed invii esattamente questa linea\n<krabador> poi sudo mv ~/.config ~/.config_old\n<piro80> proverò grazie adesso devo uscire grazie tante krabador\n<krabador> piro80, torna quando hai il pc davanti\n<piro80> ok grazie ancora\n<asolo> ciao a tutti\n<asolo> dopo aver instaallato ubuntu 14.04 non riesco a mettere la linguia italiana\n<tdk200> Giorno\n<krabador> asolo, impostazioni --- lingua\n<krabador> asolo, connesso ad internet\n<asolo> si sono connesso ad internet\n<asolo> e su impostazioni lingua mi da italiano ma effettivamente è tutto inglese\n<krabador> elimina la lingua inglese e seleziona solo quella italiana, al che riavvia\n<asolo> già fatto infatti mi trovo solo quella italiana\n<krabador> asolo, manda uno screenshot di impostazioni lingua\n<krabador> !image | asolo\n<ubot-it> asolo: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<krabador> l'immagine la fai premendo il tasto stamp\n<krabador> e sarà nella cartella immagini\n<asolo> stavo facendo delle verifiche mi sa che ha riscontrato un errore durante l'installazione perche non riesco ad installare nemmeno un programma dal software center\n<asolo> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/A5TGjrbrTUS1ZqKHI85g\n<krabador> il sistema per quello che si puo' vedere , è in italiano\n<asolo> sembrerebbe\n<krabador> al che , chiudi impostazioni\n<krabador> apri il termiale\n<krabador> terminale\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade | pastebinit\n<asolo> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/uy10cEv8TKwOfr09Ir8w\n<asolo> E: Impossibile trovare il pacchetto pastebinit\n<krabador> asolo, software-properties-gtk\n<krabador> abilita tutti i repositories\n<krabador> universe restricted multiverse\n<krabador> mettendo la spunta\n<krabador> chiudi la finestra\n<krabador> torni sul terminale, sudo apt-get update\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade | pastebinit\n<asolo> facendo sudo apt-get update\n<asolo> Err http://it.archive.ubuntu.com trusty Release.gpg\n<asolo> Impossibile iniziare la connessione a it.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2001:760:ffff:b1::34). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:760:ffff:b1::34 80]\n<asolo> Err http://it.archive.ubuntu.com trusty-updates Release.gpg\n<asolo> Impossibile iniziare la connessione a it.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2001:760:ffff:b1::34). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:760:ffff:b1::34 80]\n<asolo> Err http://it.archive.ubuntu.com trusty-backports Release.gpg\n<asolo> Impossibile iniziare la connessione a it.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2001:760:ffff:b1::34). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:760:ffff:b1::34 80]\n<asolo> Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto\n<krabador> asolo1, non si puo' incollare in canale\n<krabador> si deve usare pastebin\n<krabador> e pastebinit era appunto un modo automatizzato per farlo\n<asolo1> non va\n<krabador> asolo1, apri il terminale\n<krabador> software-properties-gtk\n<asolo1> comunque con sudo apt-get update mi da una serie di errori\n<krabador> asolo1, ma leggi quello che sto scrivendo?\n<asolo1> si\n<krabador> software-properties-gtk , menu a tendina \"scaricare da \"\n<krabador> seleziona altro\n<krabador> italia\n<krabador> mirror.crazynetwork.it\n<krabador> clicca scegli server\n<krabador> chiudi la finestra di software-properties-gtk\n<krabador> torna sul terminale\n<krabador> sudo apt-get update\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade | pastebinit\n<asolo1> oleee è andato sta scaricando pastebinit\n<asolo1> che faccio ora\n<krabador> hai mandato l'ultimo comando?\n<asolo1> si\n<krabador> deve aver restituito un link\n<krabador> incollalo qui\n<asolo1> è fermo a estrazione dei template dei pacchetti 100%\n<krabador> allora lascialo fare\n<asolo1> ok\n<asolo1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11222595/\n<krabador> bene, sistema aggiornato, post installazione, adesso puoi riavviare, tornare in supporto lingue, e lui ti chiederà in automatico di installare i pacchetti\n<krabador> che prima non hai installato , come gli aggiornamenti, per problemi con i repositories\n<asolo1> ok va adeso è tutto italiano\n<asolo1> grazie infinitamente\n<krabador> ma di niente\n<PeppeSR> salve come faccio a vedere se un pacchetto è installato o meno?\n<PeppeSR> in caso specifico mi interesserebbe php5-gd\n<krabador> PeppeSR, dpkg -l | grep pacchetto\n<PeppeSR> weiii ciao carissimo :) come stai?\n<calimero_82> salve, ogni tanto crasha evince-thumbnailer, a cosa serve?\n<conte81> CIao a tutti\n<Uzzi> vi è la possibilità di lanciare un processo in una sessione video di un utente, da una sessione ssh remota?\n<Riccardo62> Buongiorno\n<Riccardo62> avrei bisogno di capire come risolvere un problema dopo l'ultimo aggiornmento\n<Riccardo62> Lenovo 3000 n200 Ubuntu 15.04\n<Riccardo62> quando si avvia resta in pausa e occorre forzare lo spegnimento\n<Riccardo62> al secondo riavvio offre la possibilità di scegliere la versione\n<krabador> Riccardo62, finisce la fase di avvio, o succede esattamente durante?\n<Riccardo62> se scelgo la 17 non parte\n<Riccardo62> con la 16 parte correttamente\n<Riccardo62> dopo il root in fase di avvio\n<krabador> Riccardo62, puoi riportare il nuomero corretto , completo di \"17\" e \"16\"?\n<Riccardo62> dove trovo la versione installata\n<Riccardo62> ?\n<krabador> Riccardo62, 17 e 16, da soli, in ubuntu non significano nulla\n<Riccardo62> hai ragione ok però non so dove trovare la versione scritta estesa\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, ti riferisci ai kernel ?\n<krabador> Riccardo62, quando la selezioni ?\n<Riccardo62> credo di si\n<krabador> Riccardo62, la schermata di selezione all'avvio, ovvero grub , non ce l'hai , e non ce l'avevi prima, giusto ?\n<Riccardo62> no prima partiva direttamente e appariva la scrivania\n<krabador> Riccardo62, allora, avvia il pc, e mettiti a premere il tasti shift\n<Riccardo62> ora forse vedo grub quando scelgo la versione kernel\n<krabador> appunto, lo fai apparire premendo continuamente il tasto shift in avvio\n<Riccardo62> e poi ?\n<krabador> in corrispondenza della prima voce in alto, premi il tasto e\n<krabador> al che , avrai una serie di linee, vai a cancellare le parole quiet splash e premi f10\n<krabador> in questo modo vediamo in che punto dell'avvio si blocca\n<Riccardo62> per fare questo devo abandonarti e riprendere poi la chat\n<krabador> Riccardo62, segnati perfettamente cio' che appare, meglio se fai una foto, e la posti poi\n<krabador> !image | Riccardo62\n<ubot-it> Riccardo62: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<krabador> su imgur\n<Riccardo62> ok\n<Riccardo62> vado?\n<krabador> l'importante è che torni qui con documentazione del problema\n<epizefiri> Hola!\n<krabador> hola\n<epizefiri> Il mio pc con l'ultima lts dopo alcuni minuti smette di riprodurre suoni\n<epizefiri> se son con le cuffie il problema non si presenta, con le casse interne si. Cosa può essere?\n<krabador> del tipo che inizi ad ascoltare qualcosa, durante la riproduzione stessa stacca ?\n<epizefiri> si\n<dadexix86> casse interne od esterne? se esterne, ti succede anche con altri dispositivi?\n<epizefiri> Con le casse esterne (quindi tramite uscita jack) non succede. Succede solo con le casse interne (è un portatile, un thinkpad )\n<dadexix86> epizefiri, -^ , a me succede con delle casse esterne quando gli faccio arrivare roba a volume basso, ad un certo punto si spengono, ma perché sono fatte così loro\n<krabador> Riccardo62, non in privato, scrivi pure in canale\n<Riccardo62> si si ok\n<epizefiri> dadexix86, si conosco quel tipo di problema.. no qui succede sia con i suoni di sistema che con la musica.. e succede sia a volume basso che alto\n<epizefiri> addirittura succede pure se non ascolto nulla.. cioè, io so che se il pc è acceso da una ventina di minuti non riproduce più suoni\n<krabador> epizefiri, esattamente nel momento in cui succede, hai controllato alsamixer e pavucontrol per vedere se ci sono differenze?\n<Riccardo62> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/obzpS7L2QXW5WdSqUvDD\n<Riccardo62> Partenza\n<dadexix86> epizefiri, te lo fa anche con altre distribuzioni/sistemi operativi/versioni di Ubuntu?\n<Riccardo62> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/ya8JPINBQ7qRUPMIxNXj\n<krabador> dadexix86, se hai il supporto di installazione, prova una sessione live, per vedere se ci sono differenze con l'installazione\n<epizefiri> krabador, alsamixer nessuna differenza.. pavucontrol non lo conosco.. mi informo subito\n<epizefiri> dadexix86, non ho altri sistemi sulla macchina...\n<krabador> epizefiri, ubuntu o derivata?\n<epizefiri> krabador, ubuntu all'ultima lts.. 14.04 se non erro\n<Riccardo62> In sequenza appare grub e scelgo la prima voce \"Ubuntu\"\n<epizefiri> si, 14.04\n<krabador> epizefiri, 14.04.2 ?\n<krabador> che l'è bella che buggata\n<epizefiri> ahahah, vero?\n<krabador> purtroppos i\n<krabador> ci sono stati problemi\n<Riccardo62> 15.04\n<epizefiri> uhm, dici che se aggiorno risolvo o devo fare un installazione pulita?\n<Riccardo62> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/JADc1xudQ32S9VaX1NIM\n<krabador> epizefiri, ti consiglierei in realtà di installare 14.04.1\n<krabador> se proprio vuoi provare con un'altra installazione\n<Riccardo62> Questo è quello che appare subito dopo\n<krabador> epizefiri, come ti dicevo prima, prova una sessinoe live con il supporto di installazione che hai\n<epizefiri> ok\n<krabador> Riccardo62, hai premuto \"e\" in quel punto\n<krabador> e cancellato quiet splash?\n<Riccardo62> dopodichè resta una videata nera e l'HD non da segni di elaborazione alcuna\n<krabador> epizefiri, per un bel po', per vedere se ti si presenta il problema anche li\n<Riccardo62> quale punto '\n<Riccardo62> ?\n<krabador> Riccardo62, <krabador> in corrispondenza della prima voce in alto, premi il tasto e\n<krabador> <krabador> al che , avrai una serie di linee, vai a cancellare le parole quiet splash e premi f10\n<krabador> <krabador> in questo modo vediamo in che punto dell'avvio si blocca\n<krabador> alle 14:49\n<krabador> era solo della parte successiva a quest'operazione\n<krabador> che serviva una foto\n<Riccardo62> riavvio, grazie\n<epizefiri> krabador, provo con una live usb di un altra distro. a sto punto 15.04 e vedo se il problema non si ripresenta.. se si dovesse ripresentare che faccio? Vuol dire che è un problema hw?\n<krabador> si, è un problema hardware\n<krabador> che tra l'altro riguarda diversi thinkpad\n<krabador> epizefiri, prova 15.04, nel caso il kernel 3.19 abbia , nello specifico hardware, risolto il problema\n<epizefiri> krabador, hai link su questo problema hardware dei thinkpad? Ho una polizza casco sul pc.. al massimo me lo faccio sostituire\n<krabador> epizefiri, spetta , di supporto hardware, non hardware fisico\n<epizefiri> ah, okidoki :D\n<Somewhere> Ciao ragazzi, da qualche giorno ubuntu non mi riesce a montare il cellulare come dispositivo di massa, ma mi carica solamente la batteria. Ho visto le impostazioni del cellulare ed è tutto ok.. Consigli?\n<Mariottinet> Salve, voglio mettere linux su un pc acer apsire 3053wxmi, quale disro mi consigliate? grazie\n<kodi_> Mariottinet: per cosa ti serve?\n<Mariottinet> siccome e un pc che non uso tanto vorrei imparare meglio linux cmq mi serve per navigare, scaricare cose cosi\n<kodi_> !download | Mariottinet\n<ubot-it> Mariottinet: download is http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ o http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ o http://www.ubuntu-it.org/download\n<Mariottinet> Grazie!!\n<kodi_> Mariottinet: il terzo link\n<Mariottinet> si ho visto\n<Mariottinet> Ok vado a sperimentare grazie a presto\n<befluel> cioa\n<befluel> ciao\n<befluel> buon giorno a tutto il canale\n<guest00> Ciao ragazzi, non so se è morta la pennetta, è in modalità read-only, ho provato i seguenti comandi ma niente http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11230337/\n<krabador> guest00, sudo gparted\n<krabador> selezioni la pendrive\n<krabador> crei nuova tabella partizioni\n<guest00> già usato gparted\n<krabador> e per fare cosa?\n<guest00> per fommattarla, ma è in read only\n<krabador> e allora\n<krabador> sudo gparted\n<guest00> ok\n<krabador> selezioni la pendrive\n<krabador> crei nuova tabella partizioni\n<krabador> una volta creata chiudi gparted\n<krabador> stacchi la pendrive, la riattacchi\n<krabador> la smonti\n<krabador> sudo umount /dev/sdb1\n<krabador> sudo gparted\n<krabador> crei partizione\n<krabador> chiudi gparted, stacchi la pendrive\n<guest00> 1 partition is currently active on device /dev/sdb\n<krabador> la riattacchi e vedi che dice\n<krabador> guest00, deve essere smontata\n<krabador> guest00, chiudi gparted\n<krabador> sudo umount /dev/sdb1\n<guest00> Can't write to /dev/sdb, because it is opened read-only.\n<guest00> l'ho smontata\n<krabador> una volta smontata , sudo gparted e creazione tabella partizioni\n<krabador> ti da quest'errore?\n<krabador> dispositivo --- crea tabella partizioni, una volta selezionata la pendrive dentro gparted\n<guest00> create partition table -> select new partition msdos. Can't write to /dev/sdb, because it is opened read-only.\n<guest00> nel link pastebin dice Dirty bit is set. Fs was not properly unmounted and some data may be corrupt.\n<guest00> Automatically removing dirty bit.\n<krabador> ho letto il link\n<krabador> guest00, verifica che la pendrive non abbia uno switch fisico per la protezione delle scritture\n<guest00> non ce l'ha\n<guest00> sono sicuro\n<guest00> sudo mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdb1\n<guest00> mkfs.fat 3.0.26 (2014-03-07)\n<guest00> mkfs.vfat: unable to open /dev/sdb1: Read-only file system\n<krabador> guest00, smonta la pendrive\n<krabador> una volta smontata dosfsck -a /dev/sdxx , con xx che devono corrispondere a lettera e numero partizione della tua pendrive\n<krabador> guest00, sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> guest00, dosfsck -a /dev/sdxx | pastebinit\n<krabador> ed incolli qui poi il link prodotto\n<guest00> fsck.fat 3.0.26 (2014-03-07)\n<guest00> open: Read-only file system\n<krabador> guest00, sudo su\n<krabador> smonta sempre la pendrive\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> dosfsck -a /dev/sdxx | pastebinit\n<guest00> è smontata\n<Riccardo62> @kabrador\n<Riccardo62> ci sei ?\n<Riccardo62> Ops! krabador\n<Riccardo62> Buonasera\n<Riccardo62> qualcuno può aiutarmi ?\n<guest00> fsck.vfat -vaV /dev/sdb1\n<guest00> fsck.fat 3.0.26 (2014-03-07)\n<guest00> fsck.fat 3.0.26 (2014-03-07)\n<guest00> open: Permission denied\n<krabador> guest00, per favore, puoi mandare esattamente i comandi che ti ho indicato ?\n<krabador> Riccardo62, hai le foto dello screen , come da precedenti istruzioni?\n<Riccardo62> Ubuntu 15.04 si blocca al momento di kernel device manager\n<Mr_Pan> è scappato?!?! lol\n<guest00> scusa è caduta la connessione\n<guest00> udo umount /dev/sdb1\n<guest00> umount: /dev/sdb1: not mounted\n<guest00> sudo dosfsck -a /dev/sdb1\n<guest00> fsck.fat 3.0.26 (2014-03-07)\n<guest00> open: Read-only file system\n<Riccardo62> Quando si interrompe si oscura subito, non è facile cogliere l'attimo ci riprovo ma la dicitura è avvio di kernel device manger\n<krabador> Riccardo62, ti segnalato 2 volte, quest'oggi, per favore, di, nel grub, premere e (il tasto \"e\" della tastiera) in corrispondenza della prima voce dal'alto selezionata\n<guest01> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11230767/\n<krabador> guest01, find /dev/sdb -type f -exec chmod 666 {} \\;\n<guest01> fatto\n<krabador> guest01, montala adesso da qualche parte\n<guest01> non esce niente\n<krabador> per vedere se ha preso questa modifica\n<guest01> quale comando\n<guest01> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11230851/\n<krabador> guest01, successivamente all'ultimo comando che ti ho dato, devi montare la pendrive in una cartella\n<krabador> tipo /mnt\n<krabador> andare all'interno e cercare di copiarci qualcosa\n<guest01> è già montata in media e da quel risultato\n<guest01> ho smontato e rimontato e da quello\n<guest01> non posso cancellare ne incollare\n<krabador> guest01, su quale ubuntu?\n<krabador> guest00, su quale ubuntu?\n<guest00> 14.04\n<guest00> è rotta?\n<guest00> ho cercato e se questo http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11231021/ non funziona allora significa che è rotta\n<guest00> nei log da sempre [sdb] Write Protect is on\n<Riccardo62> krabador https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/jdNOI6U3RIC9aNMgW8ig\n<krabador> le manovre che abbiamo fatto, in corrispondenza di una pendrive fisicamente integra avrebbero dovuto risolvere il problema\n<Riccardo62> eliminato quiet e splash\n<krabador> perfetto\n<krabador> premuto f10 ?\n<guest00> ok grazie\n<krabador> guest00, 5⬠per una 4gb sono 5 caffè D:\n<guest00> non bevo caffè lol\n<Riccardo62> si ora la videata https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/mxWPIkU2R1A2fA2KyXkQ\n<Riccardo62> l'aggiornamento che si blocca è questo https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/sVaIrr5xQ2mh2xqNXexM\n<krabador> Riccardo62, la penultima foto che hai fatto\n<krabador> è esattamente il punto in cui si blocca il caricamento?\n<Riccardo62> esatto\n<krabador> Riccardo62, ok, allora , prova a caricare la seconda voce,dall'alto , dell'ultima foto che mi hai mandato\n<Riccardo62> Linux 3.19.017 generic o la 16 ?\n<Riccardo62> la Upstart 17 ?\n<Riccardo62> perchà ci ho già provato e parte solo con la 16\n<Riccardo62> tutte le 17 si piantano\n<krabador> tutte e 2 si piantano ?\n<krabador> appunto\n<Riccardo62> si\n<Riccardo62> se non trovo la soluzione vorrei perlomeno attivare soltanto la 16 ma non so come impostare\n<Riccardo62> in automatico\n<Carlin0> magari si è solo installato male il nuovo kernel\n<krabador> allora, Riccardo62 accedi con la prima 16 dell'elenco\n<Riccardo62> è quella con la quale Ti sto scrivendo\n<Riccardo62> ma come faccio a eliminare la 17 che mi legge per prima ?\n<Riccardo62> se accedono i miei familiari non sanno fare tutte le manovre necessarie a riavviare...\n<krabador> Riccardo62, allora, apri un terminale\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | pastebinit\n<krabador> il secondo restituirà un link\n<Riccardo62> sta elaborando\n<Riccardo62> mi dice \"W: à consigliato eseguire \"apt-get update\" per correggere questi problemi\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11231358/\"\n<Riccardo62> rc@rc-3000-N200:~$ sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> [sudo] password for rc:\n<Riccardo62> Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto\n<Riccardo62> Generazione albero delle dipendenze\n<Riccardo62> Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto\n<Riccardo62> I seguenti pacchetti NUOVI saranno installati:\n<Carlin0> autoflood :P\n<krabador> peccato\n<Carlin0> penso che torni è da stamattina che gira\n<Riccardo62> krabador ci risono ...\n<Riccardo62> rc@rc-3000-N200:~$ sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> [sudo] password for rc:\n<Riccardo62> Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto\n<Riccardo62> Generazione albero delle dipendenze\n<Riccardo62> Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, ...\n<Carlin0> non incollare in canale lunghi paste\n<Carlin0> !paste | Riccardo62\n<ubot-it> Riccardo62: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Riccardo62> sono stato bandito dal canale....ma intorno a me non c'è neppure un rigagnolo...\n<Carlin0> usa il pastebin\n<Riccardo62> ho pastato bin ma non so esattamente cosa sto facendo\n<Mr_Pan> Riccardo62, dopo un tot di righe in poco tempo Autoflood ti sbatte fuori ... usa pastebin...\n<Carlin0> oltretutto non sei stato cacciato da bot ma ti sei autofloodato\n<Riccardo62> ho usato pastebin ma ora ho il testo in una nuova scheda e non so come pubblicarlo\n<Carlin0> * Riccardo62 ha chiuso la connessione (Excess Flood)\n<Riccardo62> tutto fatto in buona fede ragazzi ... scusatemi\n<Carlin0> passa il link\n<Carlin0> tranqui\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11231542/\n<Riccardo62> questo '\n<Riccardo62> ?\n<Riccardo62> krabador non Ti ho abbandonato ma ho fatto Kakarakiri (giusto 2 volte- quindi...Kakarakiri) :-)\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, dai sudo apt-get update\n<Carlin0> come ti dice di fare ubuntu stesso\n<Riccardo62> \"W: à consigliato eseguire \"apt-get update\" per correggere questi problemi\"..... Eseguo\n<Carlin0> di nuovo ?\n<Riccardo62> Risposta \"http://paste.ubuntu.com/11231703/\"\n<Carlin0> devi mettere sudo davanti\n<Riccardo62> \"Impossibile acquisire il blocco sulla directory di amministrazione (/var/lib/dpkg/). à necessario essere root.\"\n<Riccardo62> ah ok\n<Riccardo62> non stavo sudando e quindi non c'ho pensato... :)\n<Riccardo62> me lo ha richiesto un'altra volta, avviato\n<Riccardo62> ancora una volta\n<Carlin0> continua a dare sempre lo stesso errore ?\n<Riccardo62> mi sembra che chieda sempre la stessa cosa e registri sempre lo stesso errore\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11231737/\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, si è sempre lo stesso errore\n<Riccardo62> Vi chiedo scusa e Vi sono grato dell'aiuto ma domani mi servirebbe utilizzare il pc per una presentazione....\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> non ho capito...\n<Mr_Pan> Riccardo62, dev iscivere il comando da cat incluso in poi\n<Carlin0> non so fino a che punto riesco ad aiutarti , non sono praticissimo di ubuntu , speriamo torni presto krabador\n<Carlin0> fai copia incolla Riccardo62\n<Riccardo62> \"http://paste.ubuntu.com/11231783/\" mi ha ridato questo ...\n<Carlin0> bene\n<Riccardo62> sono andato alla pagina ma è uscito un messaggio in Aramaico !\n<Carlin0> è il tuo sources.list\n<Riccardo62> ok\n<Carlin0> mi spiace devi aspettare krabador non riesco a individuare quali sono i repo doppi che hai\n<cristian_c> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu vivid main restricted\n<cristian_c> questo è doppio\n<cristian_c> è presente due volte\n<Riccardo62> grazie lo stesso Carlin0 almeno ho preso un pò di confidenza con Ubuntu, aspetterò krabador e altri suggerimenti grazie davvero\n<Riccardo62> grande cristian_c ! come lo estirpo ?\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, eh perchè io in realtà non uso ubuntu\n<cristian_c> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu vivid restricted\n<cristian_c> anche questo mezzo doppio\n<Carlin0> l'unica cosa che potrei farti e cancellare tutto e rifarli ex novo\n<cristian_c> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu vivid-updates restricted\n<cristian_c> mezzo doppio pure questo\n<Carlin0> cristian_c, tu che dici ?\n<Riccardo62> se reinstallo 15.04 da cd ?\n<Carlin0> no sei matto\n<cristian_c> e pure questo: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu vivid-security restricted\n<Carlin0> non si reinstalla per una cosa simile\n<cristian_c> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu vivid partner\n<cristian_c> deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu vivid partner\n<Riccardo62> fiuuu ! meno male\n<cristian_c> e anche questi sono doppi\n<Mr_Pan> Carlin0, ho la lista pulita dei repo vivid se vuoi\n<Carlin0> cristian_c, che facciamo cancelliamo tutto e li prendiamo dal wiki ?\n<Mr_Pan> fai prima ....\n<Mr_Pan> ce li ho .\n<Carlin0> Mr_Pan, http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Repository/SourcesList\n<cristian_c> Riccardo62, sì , ti conviene rifare il sources.list\n<cristian_c> a default\n<Mr_Pan> si intendevo dire che li avevo già pronti nel file di testo ... lo so che stanno li :D\n<Riccardo62> cristian_c se non è una cosa vietata ai minori posso farlo ...se mi spieghi bene cosa fare...\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, dai al terminale â sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list\n<cristian_c> Riccardo62, Carlin0 ti ha linkato la pagina wiki apposita\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, ti apre il sources.list\n<Carlin0> dimmi quando ci sei\n<Carlin0> cristian_c, i backports ci vanno ?\n<Riccardo62> ho visto , si ma non so come eseguire cosa...devo copiare il testo intero o a comandi a terminale ?\n<Carlin0> aspetta Riccardo62\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, hai aperto il file come ti ho detto ?\n<Riccardo62> sono operativo nella source list\n<Carlin0> aspetta un attimo , intanto cancellalo tutto\n<Carlin0> che ti preparo cosa copiarci dentro\n<Riccardo62> cancellato\n<Mr_Pan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11232106/\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, incollla tutto quello che ce nel paste linkato da Mr_Pan\n<Carlin0> dopo salvi e chiudi\n<Riccardo62> ho copiato dal link\n<Riccardo62> salvato e chiuso\n<krabador> nerdacci , gli potevate dire di cambiare semplicemente dal menu a tendina di software-properties-gtk , la voce \"scarica da\"\n<Carlin0> dopo che hai chiuso sudo apt-get update\n<Carlin0> krabador, aveva de repo doppi\n<krabador> sisi, doppi, ammettilo di esserti divertito a vedere Riccardo62 smanettare\n<krabador> :D\n<Carlin0> prosegui pure tu cmq :P\n<Carlin0> LOL\n<krabador> daaaai che si scherza, madonna...\n<Riccardo62> nerdacce io intanto soffro ...di ansia ma soffro\n<Carlin0> lo so\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, hai chiuso e salvato ?\n<Carlin0> krabador, ma lo sai che non conosco bene ubuntu\n<Riccardo62> sembra fatto e non da più errori\n<krabador> Carlin0, il testo è sempre la cosa migliore\n<Carlin0> faccio per quel poco che so\n<krabador> quindi ok\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, update non da + errori ?\n<Riccardo62> \"Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto\n<Riccardo62> \"\n<krabador> Riccardo62, sudo apt-get update | pastebinit\n<krabador> cosi' ci rendiamo conto\n<Mr_Pan> Riccardo62, occhio al flood ....\n<Riccardo62> Mr_Pan ora vieni fuori Te col flood ? ... E' due ore che si smanetta ! O.0 !\n<Carlin0> krabador, gli abbiamo messo anche i backports ho visto ... non so se sia bene / male\n<Riccardo62> ahahha\n<Mr_Pan> Riccardo62, lol\n<Mr_Pan> Riccardo62, il link della lista dei repo l'ho mandata io :D\n<Riccardo62> Carlino i Boccaporti vanno chiusi solo se c'è mare mosso\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, hai dato il comando che ti ha detto krabador ?\n<Riccardo62> volevo ma mi sono perso ora controllo\n<krabador> bah, i backports magari se li lascia spenti è meglio\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11232202/\n<krabador> bene nessun errore\n<Riccardo62> O K !\n<Riccardo62> :)\n<Riccardo62> posso tentare di riavviare e vedere cosa succede ?\n<krabador> no\n<Carlin0> no\n<krabador> sudo apt-get dist-update | pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> va bene ma backport ?\n<Riccardo62> s\n<krabador> Riccardo62, meglio toglierli\n<Riccardo62> come ?\n<Riccardo62> da suorce list ?\n<krabador> si , allora, sudo gedit /etc/sources.list\n<Carlin0> apt\n<krabador> aah gia\n<Riccardo62> faccio un misto ?\n<krabador> si , sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list\n<krabador> no il secondo\n<Riccardo62> ok\n<Riccardo62> pronto\n<krabador> metti # a fianco di deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu vivid-backports main restricted universe multiverse e deb-src http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu vivid-backports main restricted universe multiverse\n<Carlin0> all'inizio della riga\n<krabador> in modo da avere #deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu vivid-backports main restricted universe multiverse #deb-src http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu vivid-backports main restricted universe multiverse\n<krabador> salvi , chiudi , sudo apt-get update | pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> sono le prime due righe ?\n<krabador> no, guarda bene\n<Carlin0> sono le 2 righe con la parola backports\n<Riccardo62> fatto\n<krabador> salvi , chiudi , sudo apt-get update | pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11232252/\n<krabador> Riccardo62, che fai , mandi il pastebin del pastebinit ?\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, basta che ci dai il link che ti risponde lui\n<Carlin0> lol\n<krabador> Riccardo62, sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade | pastebinit\n<krabador> e , appunto, dacci solo il link risultante\n<Riccardo62> ho visto WARNING e allora ho esagerato\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11232301/\n<Riccardo62> l'ultimo è questo\n<krabador> bene , hai il sistema completamente aggiornato\n<Riccardo62> Ragazzi siete stati grandi !\n<Riccardo62> Grazie di cuore\n<Carlin0> però quel kernel gli blocca tutto , non sarà il caso di provare a reinstalllarlo\n<krabador> gia\n<krabador> Riccardo62, allora, dpkg -l | grep 3.19.0-17 | pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> Ho ringraziato prima perchè se non si riavvia non ci sentiremo mai più ! sigh sigh !\n<Carlin0> al max riavvi come ora col vecchio kernel\n<Riccardo62> vado ? dpkg etc... ?\n<Carlin0> si dai il comando\n<krabador> \"non ci sentiremo mai più\" ---> lanci il pc dalla finestra?\n<Riccardo62> ahahahahah SICURO !\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11232383/\n<krabador> Riccardo62, in ubuntu , finquanto non li rimuove l'utente , rimangono i vecchi kernel appunto per la possibilità di usarli in corrrispondenza di problemi con l'ultimo\n<Riccardo62> bene\n<Riccardo62> allora posso sempre fare come ho fatto quest'oggi\n<Carlin0> certo\n<Carlin0> ma ora vediamo se riusciamo a sistemare\n<krabador> Riccardo62, sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-headers-3.19.0-17 linux-headers-3.19.0-17-generic linux-image-3.19.0-17-generic linux-image-extra-3.19.0-17-generic\n<krabador> spetta\n<krabador> Riccardo62, sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-headers-3.19.0-17 linux-headers-3.19.0-17-generic linux-image-3.19.0-17-generic linux-image-extra-3.19.0-17-generic | pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11232507/\n<Carlin0> che strana risposta\n<Riccardo62> se cercate di prendere tempo per carpire info sensibili ditelo eh !? ve li do io e così si va a dormire ! Ahahhahahaha\n<Carlin0> no no\n<krabador> eeeh, già , che hai il kernel 3.19.0-17 è un segretone di stato\n<Riccardo62> ;-)\n<Riccardo62> che cacchio di risposta ha dato ?\n<Carlin0> che non può riscaricare i pacchetti\n<krabador> Riccardo62, sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-headers linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-image | pastebinit\n<krabador> Carlin0, sono stati ripuliti?\n<Carlin0> fosse per me te li purgherei\n<Carlin0> ripuliti cosa ?\n<Riccardo62> E: Il pacchetto \"linux-headers\" non ha candidati da installare\n<Riccardo62> E: Il pacchetto \"linux-image\" non ha candidati da installare\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11232564/\n<krabador> Riccardo62, il pastebinit\n<Carlin0> proviamo a purgarli ?\n<krabador> Riccardo62, dpkg -l | grep linux-image | pastebinit\n<krabador> Riccardo62, dpkg -l | grep linux-headers | pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> con tutte queste paste e bignè forse una purga ci vuole...\n<krabador> Riccardo62, non essere ingordo\n<Riccardo62> :)\n<krabador> prendi solo quelli consigliati :D\n<Carlin0> lascia i cannoli alle signore\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11232614/\n<Riccardo62> ecco uno\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11232617/\n<Riccardo62> ecco due\n<krabador> qua c'è da togliere parecchia robetta\n<Riccardo62> Carlin0 tranqui sono all'antica ...:)\n<Carlin0> ha un sacco di kernel vecchi\n<Riccardo62> krabador ce la facciamo per colazione ?\n<Carlin0> dipende a che ora la fai\n<krabador> Riccardo62, no, sarai sazio di paste\n<krabador> per quell'ora.\n<Carlin0> meglio che gli metti il comando su paste\n<Carlin0> lol\n<Riccardo62> effettivamente avevo notato una sfilza di kernel , una videata piena....\n<krabador> Riccardo62, sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-image-3.16.0-23-generic linux-image-3.16.0-25-generic linux-image-3.16.0-28-generic linux-image-3.16.0-29-generic linux-image-3.16.0-30-generic linux-image-3.16.0-32-generic linux-image-3.16.0-33-generic linux-image-3.16.0-34-generic linux-image-3.16.0-36-generic linux-image-extra-3.16.0-23-generic linux-image-extra-3.16.0-25-generic linux-image-extra-3.16.0-28-generic linux-image-extra-3.16.0-29-\n<krabador> generic linux-image-extra-3.16.0-30-generic linux-image-extra-3.16.0-32-generic linux-image-extra-3.16.0-33-generic linux-image-extra-3.16.0-34-generic linux-image-extra-3.16.0-36-generic linux-headers-3.16.0-25 linux-headers-3.16.0-28 linux-headers-3.16.0-29 linux-headers-3.16.0-30 linux-headers-3.16.0-32 linux-headers-3.16.0-33 linux-headers-3.16.0-34 linux-headers-3.16.0-36\n<krabador> bene , si è spezzato\n<Carlin0> meglio che gli metti il comando su paste\n<krabador> assolutamente\n<Carlin0> lo dissi\n<Riccardo62> e 1\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, aspetta\n<krabador> Riccardo62, http://pastie.org/private/iqxtnbsta47913w0fgstzq\n<Riccardo62> ops\n<krabador> copia ed incolla questo\n<krabador> Riccardo62, se lo mandi spezzato non va\n<Carlin0> e questi sono solo i 3.16 vero ?\n<krabador> si\n<Riccardo62> speriamo bene\n<Carlin0> hai fatto Riccardo62 ?\n<Carlin0> questa è solo un po di pulizia\n<Riccardo62> ho inviato il primo spezzone ed è partito\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62,\n<Riccardo62> ho inviato poi il comando intero e non trova nulla\n<krabador> Riccardo62, dovevi mandare SOLO\n<krabador> quello intero\n<Riccardo62> troppo tardi era già partito\n<Carlin0> vediamo la situazione al momento dai\n<Carlin0> <krabador> Riccardo62, dpkg -l | grep linux-image | pastebinit\n<Carlin0> <krabador> Riccardo62, dpkg -l | grep linux-headers | pastebinit\n<Carlin0> ridai sti 2 comandi\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11232843/\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11232845/\n<krabador> ok Riccardo62\n<krabador> sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-headers-3.16.0-25 linux-headers-3.16.0-28 linux-headers-3.16.0-29 linux-headers-3.16.0-30 linux-headers-3.16.0-32 linux-headers-3.16.0-33 linux-headers-3.16.0-34 linux-headers-3.16.0-36 | pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> ci pensa\n<Riccardo62> continua a pensare\n<Carlin0> lassalo fare\n<krabador> ti darà il solito link\n<Riccardo62> a pagamento ?\n<krabador> beh, dopo un ora di assistenza scatta la tariffa\n<Carlin0> la notturna\n<Carlin0> è cara\n<Riccardo62> io assisto voi nel vostro operato dato che se non creo il problema voi non potete operare\n<Mr_Pan> interessante punto di vista ....\n<Carlin0> ma ancora sta pensando ?\n<Riccardo62> e oggi si sa ... il lavoro scarseggia\n<Riccardo62> comincio a temere che più che pensando ci stia ri...pensando\n<Riccardo62> L'HD lavora...\n<Carlin0> e il terminale che dice ?\n<Riccardo62> nada\n<Carlin0> mi sorge un dubbio\n<Riccardo62> alleluia\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11232987/\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, uname -a | pastebinit\n<krabador> esatto\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11233050/\n<Carlin0> tutto ok finora dai\n<krabador> lsb_release -a | pastebinit\n<krabador> il 16 è l'ultimo di vivid, in assoluto , dai repo ufficiali\n<krabador> avevi i backport abilitati anche prima?\n<Carlin0> e per questo non gli riscaricava il 17\n<Carlin0> buh\n<krabador> appunto\n<Riccardo62> Boh !\n<krabador> l'ultimo paste\n<Carlin0> allora lo purghiamo e buonanotte\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11233055/\n<Riccardo62> me o il kernel ?\n<Carlin0> tuttedue\n<Riccardo62> Carlin0 sii chiaro nelle Tue esposizioni ahahahaha\n<Carlin0> :o)\n<Riccardo62> metti ansia\n<Riccardo62> ahahahaha\n<krabador> sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-image-3.19.0-17-generic linux-image-extra-3.19.0-16-generic | pastebin\n<Carlin0> no\n<Carlin0> no\n<Riccardo62> no che ?\n<Carlin0> no dare il comando\n<krabador> oooooh is\n<krabador> si\n<Carlin0> aspe\n<krabador> sbagliato ad incollare\n<Carlin0> capita\n<krabador> sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-image-3.19.0-17-generic linux-image-extra-3.19.0-17-generic | pastebin\n<Riccardo62> Ognuno di noi ha il suo Angelo custode ! io c'ho Carlin0\n<Riccardo62> sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-image-3.19.0-17-generic linux-image-extra-3.19.0-17-generic | pastebin\n<Riccardo62> Ops ! ho sbagliato\n<Carlin0> pure tu !!!\n<krabador> Riccardo62, poi sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-headers-3.19.0-17 linux-headers-3.19.0-17-generic | pastebin\n<Riccardo62> comando non trovato\n<Carlin0> impossibile Riccardo62\n<Riccardo62> E: Impossibile impostare il blocco /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Risorsa temporaneamente non disponibile)\n<Riccardo62> E: Impossibile acquisire il blocco sulla directory di amministrazione (/var/lib/dpkg/). Un altro processo potrebbe tenerla occupata.\n<Riccardo62> pastebin: comando non trovato\n<Carlin0> ahhhhhhhhh\n<krabador> Riccardo62, il comando precedente è tornato al terminale?\n<Carlin0> non pastebin ma pastebinit\n<krabador> hai gestori aggiornamenti, o software center aperto?\n<Riccardo62> mi devo preoccupare?\n<Carlin0> capito Riccardo62 ?\n<krabador> sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-image-3.19.0-17-generic linux-image-extra-3.19.0-17-generic | pastebinit\n<krabador> sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-headers-3.19.0-17 linux-headers-3.19.0-17-generic | pastebinit\n<krabador> eccoli\n<krabador> uno alla volta\n<krabador> piano piano\n<Carlin0> resta ancora una conf residua di un kernel\n<Carlin0> eheheheh\n<Carlin0> rc linux-image-3.19.0-15-generic 3.19.0-15.15 i386\n<Riccardo62> E: Impossibile impostare il blocco /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Risorsa temporaneamente non disponibile)\n<Riccardo62> E: Impossibile acquisire il blocco sulla directory di amministrazione (/var/lib/dpkg/). Un altro processo potrebbe tenerla occupata.\n<Riccardo62> Si sta tentando di inviare un documento vuoto, in chiusura.\n<krabador> per il moment la lasciamo\n<krabador> Riccardo62, mandi sudo ?\n<Riccardo62> quaqle?\n<Riccardo62> semplicemente sudo\n<krabador> c'è sudo all'inizio del tuo comando ?\n<Riccardo62> ?\n<krabador> no+\n<krabador> Riccardo62, c'è un software center aperto ?\n<Carlin0> o gestore pacchetti\n<Riccardo62> no\n<Riccardo62> solo firefox e terminale\n<krabador> prima di darti questo link http://paste.ubuntu.com/11232987/ ti ha dato errore ?\n<Riccardo62> no\n<Riccardo62> verificato\n<krabador> Riccardo62, sudo apt-get update | pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> E: Impossibile impostare il blocco /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Risorsa temporaneamente non disponibile)\n<Riccardo62> E: Impossibile acquisire il blocco sulla directory di amministrazione (/var/lib/dpkg/). Un altro processo potrebbe tenerla occupata.\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11233213/\n<krabador> sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock && sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock\n<Riccardo62> Carlin0 ... vado ?\n<Carlin0> vai tranwui\n<Carlin0> guarda che sbagliamo tutti eh\n<krabador> Riccardo62, che fai prendi per il culo?\n<Riccardo62> scherzo:)\n<krabador> ti ricordo che è mezzanotte e mezza\n<krabador> Riccardo62, un paio di coglioni\n<Carlin0> krabador cmq è + esperto di me ti puoi fidare\n<Riccardo62> non offenderti è solo per smorzare la tensione\n<Carlin0> è + facile lasciarlo fare come faccio io che prendersi la briga di fare come fa lui\n<Riccardo62> ho sempre preso con ironia le cose della vita se possibile ma non ho mai preso per il culo nessuno nemmeno per scherzo\n<Carlin0> bon fine della polemica vado a farmi uno spuntino (mortazza time)\n<krabador> il comando non da output , a meno gli oggetti a cui punta non esistano.\n<Riccardo62> non ha dato nessuna risposta\n<krabador> sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-image-3.19.0-17-generic linux-image-extra-3.19.0-17-generic linux-headers-3.19.0-17 linux-headers-3.19.0-17-generic linux-image-3.19.0-15-generic linux-image-extra-3.19.0-15-generic | pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> E: Impossibile impostare il blocco /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Risorsa temporaneamente non disponibile)\n<Riccardo62> E: Impossibile acquisire il blocco sulla directory di amministrazione (/var/lib/dpkg/). Un altro processo potrebbe tenerla occupata.\n<Riccardo62> Si sta tentando di inviare un documento vuoto, in chiusura.\n<Riccardo62> io non vedo niente di aperto\n<krabador> Riccardo62, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock && sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock\n<krabador> riavvia\n<krabador> sempre con 16\n<Riccardo62> rm: impossibile rimuovere \"/var/lib/apt/lists/lock\": File o directory non esistente\n<Riccardo62> vado con il riavvio ?\n<krabador> ok, idem, riavvia, sempre con 16\n<Riccardo62> Pronti\n<krabador> bene, di nuovo terminale , di nuovo sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-image-3.19.0-17-generic linux-image-extra-3.19.0-17-generic linux-headers-3.19.0-17 linux-headers-3.19.0-17-generic linux-image-3.19.0-15-generic linux-image-extra-3.19.0-15-generic | pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> sta lavorando\n<krabador> bene\n<Riccardo62> mi devo preocupare ?\n<Riccardo62> Sarà mica dislessico il mio pc ?\n<krabador> tra un po' dovrebbe dare il link\n<Riccardo62> ho come l'impressione che non stia lavorando L'HD è fermo\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, cmq qualcuno ha pasticciato un po su quel pc eh\n<Carlin0> repo doppi kernel che non si sa da dove viene .. troppa roba strana\n<Riccardo62> il pc è stato formattato e ex non installato Ubunto un anno e mezzo fa poi solo aggiornamenti\n<Carlin0> ma lo usi solo tu ?\n<Riccardo62> si\n<Carlin0> niente figli moglie suocere\n<Riccardo62> lo utilizzano in consultazione e basta\n<Riccardo62> nessuna installazione\n<Carlin0> dicono tutti così sopratutto quando succedono casini\n<Riccardo62> ha sempre segnalato un errore di sistema regolarmente inviato\n<krabador> Riccardo62, rimasto in sospeso, il comando ?\n<Carlin0> cmq ....amen\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11233562/\n<krabador> bene, adesso il pc è allineato con gli ultimi aggiornamenti\n<Riccardo62> Carlin0 il pc ha sempre funzionato regolarmente e solo dopo l'ultima kernel ha dato il problema\n<krabador> Riccardo62, riavvia, seleziona la prima voce che hai nel menu\n<krabador> Riccardo62, il 16 è l'ultimo ufficiale\n<Carlin0> o lascialo fare da solo\n<Riccardo62> e non ci sarebbe niente di male ad ammettere tentativi di manovra ma quando ho avuto bisogno sono entrato in chat\n<Riccardo62> riavvio\n<Carlin0> allora ?\n<Riccardo62> Pronti !\n<Riccardo62> Partito regolare in automatico\n<Carlin0> hai lasciato che facesse da solo ?\n<Riccardo62> esatto\n<Carlin0> bene\n<Carlin0> ora levami una curiosità però\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, dpkg -l | grep linux-image\n<Carlin0> ops scusa\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, dpkg -l | grep linux-image | pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11233783/\n<Riccardo62> deve essere partito con la 16\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, ls /boot/ | pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11233814/\n<Carlin0> buh è strano ma come si usa.... cosa che funziona non si tocca +\n<Carlin0> sei a posto Riccardo62\n<Carlin0> sentiamo cosa dice krabador\n<Riccardo62> vedi aggiornamenti retrò ?\n<Carlin0> hai dei file che non dovrebbero esserci\n<Carlin0> perchè non c'è il pacchetto deb\n<krabador> da 3.8 a 3.13 è roba vecchia\n<Riccardo62> ce lo debbo mettere ?\n<Carlin0> si ma come mai li ha ?\n<Carlin0> con dpkg non si vedono\n<krabador> Riccardo62, sudo apt-get -y autoremove | pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> due anni fa avevo windows e ho utilizzato ubuntu in contemporanea per prendere confidenza ma poi ho formattato il tutto e non dovrebbe ro eserci\n<krabador> Carlin0, sono gli script in boot, se non rimossi da comandi automatici, rimangono li\n<krabador> Riccardo62, quante partizioni ha ubuntu?\n<Carlin0> quando rimuovi il deb vanno via anche loro , infatti i 3.16 non ci sono +\n<Riccardo62> una solamente\n<krabador> Carlin0, che sono quelli che abbiamo rimosso noi\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11233861/\n<Carlin0> ma lasciali li va ... male non fanno\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, quanta ram ha quel pc ?\n<krabador> se rimossi, ci va anche un sudo update-grub\n<Riccardo62> prima 1 gb ora 3 gb\n<Carlin0> e che cpu ?\n<Riccardo62> Intel® Pentium(R) Dual CPU T2330 @ 1.60GHz à 2\n<Riccardo62> Intel® 965GM x86/MMX/SSE2\n<Riccardo62> 77,6 GB\n<Riccardo62> 32 bit\n<Riccardo62> di più nnsò\n<Carlin0> si si era solo curiosità \n<Riccardo62> sudo update-grub vado?\n<Carlin0> ubuntu ci sta un po stretto forse infatti come hai visto per certe cose ci mette tempo\n<Riccardo62> perchè non hai visto windows O.O\n<Carlin0> sudo update-grub | pastebinit\n<krabador> necessario con la rimozione dei componenti in /boot\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11233979/\n<Carlin0> eh ma tocca cancellarli a mano\n<Carlin0> oppre glieli si lascia\n<Carlin0> tu che dici krabador ?\n<krabador> puo' tenerli ma visto che ci siamo si puo' scozzare del tutto\n<Carlin0> con rm ..\n<krabador> su\n<krabador> si\n<Riccardo62> oh vai\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, sudo rm -r /boot/*3.11*\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, sudo rm -r /boot/*3.13*\n<Carlin0> Riccardo62, sudo rm -r /boot/*3.8*\n<Riccardo62> entrambi in sequenza?\n<Carlin0> tutto in sequenza\n<Carlin0> alla fine\n<Carlin0> ls /boot/ | pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11234091/\n<Carlin0> ok ora\n<Carlin0> sudo update-grub | pastebinit\n<Carlin0> poi vado a nanna\n<Riccardo62> rc@rc-3000-N200:~$ sudo update-grub | pastebinit\n<Riccardo62> Generating grub configuration file ...\n<Riccardo62> Attenzione: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.\n<Riccardo62> Trovata immagine linux: /boot/vmlinuz-3.19.0-16-generic\n<Riccardo62> Trovata immagine initrd: /boot/initrd.img-3.19.0-16-generic\n<Riccardo62> Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.elf\n<Riccardo62> Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin\n<Carlin0> ...\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11234103/\n<Carlin0> sei a posto ti abbiamo dato una ripulita mica da poco\n<Carlin0> aspe ....\n<Carlin0> ancora una cosa mentre ci siamo\n<Carlin0> lol\n<Riccardo62> Ragazzi siete stati grandi data l'ora e l'impegno profuso\n<Carlin0> sudo dpkg --purge `dpkg -l | egrep \"^rc\" | cut -d ' ' -f3` | pastebinit\n<Carlin0> poi vado a nanna per davvero\n<Riccardo62> se vi può consolare ora devo finire il lavoro di oggi\n<Carlin0> che lavoro fai ?\n<Riccardo62> consulente in Edilizia e Arredamento, Progetto vendo e realizzo quello che posso\n<Carlin0> hai dato l'ultimo comando ?\n<Riccardo62> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11234159/\n<Carlin0> buonanotte a tutti\n<Riccardo62> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/K8vWQR5SgaSdut7fpWjy\n<Riccardo62> questo è un esempio di progetto realizzato\n<Carlin0> complimenti ...\n<Carlin0> ora il supporto è finito se vuoi chiacchierare passa in chat io vado a nanna\n<Carlin0> !chat | Riccardo62\n<ubot-it> Riccardo62: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Carlin0> notte\n<Riccardo62> no no devo preparare la riunione di domani\n<Riccardo62> Buonanotte e grazie infinite davvero\n<Carlin0> è stato un piacere\n<Riccardo62> reciproco Notte a tutti\n<Riccardo62> Notte krabador\n<Riccardo62> i miei complimenti per la competenza dimostrata\n#ubuntu-it 2015-05-20\n<evan__> Salve, ho Xubuntu 15.04 quando provo a fare apt-get update mi dice che non trova \"http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid/InRelease\" prima non era mai successo\n<evan__> ho disattivato ipv6 perchè pensavo potesse essere un problema legato ma non cambia nulla, qualcun altro ha questo problema?\n<akis24> giorno\n<invisible93> se qualcuno mi può aiutare : http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=597936\n<invisible93> vedo che questa community è molto attiva... sì sì :S\n<cristian_c> invisible93, ?\n<cristian_c> !dettagli\n<ubot-it> Per favore dacci dettagli completi. Per esempio \"Ho un problema con..., sto usando Ubuntu versione... con interfaccia.... Quando provo a fare..., ottengo questo output: ..., ma mi sarei aspettato che facesse...\"\n<jack_> ciao\n<Guest51002> salve ho installato lubuntu e effettuato il download di un piccolo programma mi chiede il comando o credo un'applicazione per scompattare il pacchetto cosa posso fare visto che non so usare i comandi del terminale ?\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, qui non c'è supporto a programmi non presenti nei repository ufficiali di ubuntu\n<Carlin0> che programma Guest51002 ? dove lo hai preso ?\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, comunque, leggi le istruzioni all'interno del pacchetto\n<Guest51002> xdcc emule\n<Guest51002> si ok allora ti chiedo puo' un comune essere umano capire cosa fare con una conoscenza di base o devo imaprare a programmare il tutto ...vorrei utilizzare il vostro software ma senza cucinarmi le sinapsi e senza dovervi disturbare per ogni stupidaggine\n<Guest51002> il pacchetto non dice nulla e' file rar immagino devo abbinare un applicativo per decomprimere\n<Guest51002> unico problema e' che con wind ci riuscivo qua non so come fare\n<Carlin0> Guest51002, leggi le istruzioni come ti ha detto cristian_c , tieni conto che un pacchetto preso fuori dai repo non è detto che funzioni\n<Carlin0> al limite rivolgiti a chi lo ha creato\n<Guest51002> scusa se tu hai un file rar che faresti ?? e' difficile da spiegare ?\n<Carlin0> !info unrar\n<ubot-it> unrar (source: unrar-nonfree): Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:5.0.10-1 (trusty), package size 133 kB, installed size 298 kB\n<Carlin0> Guest51002, hai lubuntu ?\n<Guest51002> ok ho cercato di aprire il pacchetto e mi dice non trovo il comando installato si ho lubuntu\n<Carlin0> dovrebbe aprirtelo xarchiver\n<Guest51002> dove vado a cercare il unarchive per esempio ?\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, ha estensione rar?\n<cristian_c> sicuro?\n<akis24> Guest51002: usa il gestore degli archivi per .rar .e .zip nel frattempo sempre che come ti è stato detto sia un file valido per quel sistema come ti è stato detto\n<ronny1> non riesco ad autenticarmi con weechat :( su hexchat si e con weechat no.. lancio il comendo msg nickserv identify _____ e non mi fa accedere al mio account\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, sudo apt-get install rar unrar\n<Carlin0> !chat | ronny1\n<ubot-it> ronny1: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<ronny1> oh okay grazie\n<ronny1> scusate :)\n<ronny1> !chat | ronny1\n<ubot-it> ronny1, please see my private message\n<Guest51002> ok puoi indicarmi la procedura senza usare il terminale perche' se no sono vincolato a chiedervi ogni volta aiuto vorrei arrivarci da altra via per favore ...non conosco i comandi da terminale e non sempre sono attaccato on line ora dove si trova xarchiver\n<Guest51002> ?\n<Carlin0> ma non devi conoscere i comandi basta fare copia incolla di quello che ti si dice\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, si tratta di installare due pacchetti\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, se il problema è l'estensione rar\n<cristian_c> !rar\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FormatiProprietari#head-05a28f01b4a66c3427e63e27bd2c2b500b292a3b\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, il formato rar è un formato proprietario\n<cristian_c> per cui si deve pagare una licenza di utilizzo (i distributori di os, generalmente)\n<cristian_c> ecco perché non è preinstallato\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, i pacchetti li puoi installare da terminale, da gestore pacchetti o anche da software center\n<Guest51002> come i somari praticamente ...ok ci sara nel vostro pacchetto di software dentro lubuntu un applicativo per spacchettare guidami dove lo posso trovare e proviamo cosi\n<Guest51002> ok vado software center apse\n<cristian_c> vostro?\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, devi installare il supporto ai rar\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, ma sei sicuro che il pacchetto abbia estensione rar?\n<Guest51002> si sicuro 100%\n<Guest51002> non conoscendo l'interfaccia lubuntu non so dove cercare gli applicativi\n<Guest51002> sto cercando\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, lubuntu software center\n<cristian_c> oppure Gestore pacchetti\n<cristian_c> se proprio non vuoi digitare un comando di terminale.\n<Guest51002> sono su gestore pacchetti cosa cercao?\n<Guest51002> crco ?\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, pacchetti rar e unrar\n<cristian_c> li installi\n<Guest51002> ok vado perche sto su 2 pc\n<cristian_c> in realtà è più veloce il terminale su questo\n<Guest51002> non trovo mi spiace pacchetti rar unrar sai per caso dove si colloca\n<Carlin0> Guest51002, ma ad aprire un terminale riesci ?\n<Carlin0> !info xarchiver\n<ubot-it> xarchiver (source: xarchiver): GTK+ frontend for most used compression formats. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.5.2+20130119+dfsg-5 (trusty), package size 390 kB, installed size 1516 kB\n<Guest51002> si provo\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, ci sono , ma appunto da terminale è più veloce\n<cristian_c> ho controllato ora nel gestore pacchetti e ci sono\n<cristian_c> !info rar\n<ubot-it> rar (source: rar): Archiver for .rar files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2:4.2.0-1 (trusty), package size 610 kB, installed size 1270 kB\n<cristian_c> !info unrar\n<ubot-it> unrar (source: unrar-nonfree): Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:5.0.10-1 (trusty), package size 133 kB, installed size 298 kB\n<Guest51002> sono su lubuntu software center ci sono dei menu e poi dei sottomenu\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, gestore pacchetti\n<Guest51002> su accessori ho trovato 7zip puo andare bene\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, è comodo per installare i pacchetti dai repo ubuntu\n<cristian_c> da terminale è ancora più veloce\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, non so\n<Guest51002> gestore pacchetti non esite l'interfaccia non la riporta\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, installa synaptic se vuoi un gestore di pacchetti grafico\n<cristian_c> !info synaptic\n<Carlin0> Guest51002, scusa ma vieni a chiedere supporto e poi vuoi fare di testa tua\n<ubot-it> synaptic (source: synaptic): Graphical package manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.81.1 (trusty), package size 1329 kB, installed size 7650 kB\n<Carlin0> a quest'ora avevi già risolto\n<Guest51002> ti sto solo facendo notare che cio che mi chiedi non lo vedo\n<cristian_c> Carlin0, eh, ma si vuole complicare la vita da solo\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, ma hai installato synaptic?\n<Guest51002> no vorrei che foste piu' lineari tutto qua\n<Guest51002> non so dove te lo devo cercare\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, più semplice di installare un gestore pacchetti cosa c'è?\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, cerca synaptic nel software center\n<Carlin0> Guest51002, da mezzora ti diciamo 'apri un terminale' l'hai fatto ?\n<Guest51002> che se tu conosci il sistema operativo che usi so tutti capaci\n<cristian_c> Carlin0, no, lui preferisce installare le cose da interfaccia grafica, a costo di complicare\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, sì, ok, ma l'hai installato?\n<Guest51002> terminale aperto\n<Carlin0> chiudi software center\n<Carlin0> e poi incolla nel terminale\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, digita: sudo apt-get install rar unrar\n<akis24> scrivi la password anche se non la leggi e dai invio eh ...\n<akis24> :)\n<Guest51002> impossibile acquisire il blocco sulla directory\n<Guest51002> ??\n<Carlin0> chiudi software center\n<Carlin0> chiudi software center\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, non puoi usare due gestori di paccheti alla volta (terminale e software center)\n<cristian_c> *pacchetti\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, hai installato rar e unrar?\n<Guest51002> mi dice unrar non ha versioni disponibili\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<Guest51002> ariprovo\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, 15.04?\n<Guest51002> non trova\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, per favore, rispondi alle domande\n<Guest51002> 13.04\n<cristian_c> lol\n<Carlin0> fuori supporto\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, la 13.04 non è supportata\n<cristian_c> non puoi più installare nulla\n<cristian_c> hanno spento i repository\n<Guest51002> capisco grazie ok aggiorno allora speriamo funzioni\n<cristian_c> è scaduta come lo yogurt\n<cristian_c> Guest51002, aggiorna\n<Guest51002> succede\n<Guest51002> ok alla prossima\n<cristian_c> e poi potrai installare tutti i programmi dei repository\n<Guest51002> grazie infinite\n<cristian_c> di niente\n<reddiz> ubot-ot non ho trovato il fali da modificare, sono ronny1\n<Carlin0> !chat reddiz\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'chat reddiz'\n<Carlin0> !chat | reddiz\n<ubot-it> reddiz: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<frannn> ho bisogno della java machine\n<krabador> frannn, apri un terminale\n<frannn> come si installa\n<krabador> frannn, quale ubuntu stai installando?\n<krabador> *usando\n<frannn> l'ultima versione\n<krabador> segnalala, per favore\n<frannn> se mi dici il comando da terminale ti rispondo in modo piu preciso\n<krabador> segnala la versione di ubuntu che stai usando, per favore\n<frannn> \"Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS\"\n<krabador> bene, non è \"l'ultima versione\" , ma l'ultima long term support. l'ultima versione è la 15.04\n<frannn> ok ho capito\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre openjdk-7-jdk icedtea-7-plugin\n<frannn> sto installando\n<frannn> grazie ù\n<daniele_> ciao a tutti\n<crome> Ciao a tutti ho effettuato il download di cairo su ubuntu studio 14 ma non trovo il file per avviarlo dove si trova ..nella cartella download risulta vuota\n<Carlin0> crome, Scaricati\n<crome> non c''e e' vuota ?\n<crome> 0 elementi\n<crome> l'ho scaricata dal soft center\n<crome> insieme ad un'altra applicazione ma nulla\n<Carlin0> ma il software center dovrebbe anche installarla non solo scaricarla\n<Carlin0> quindi forse è già installata\n<crome> dalla procedura mi dice che l'ha scaricata ora vorrei verificare se l'ha installata e farla anche partire per configurare\n<crome> ammesso che l'abbia istallata come la trovo per modificare il dock tipo mac ?\n<krabador> crome, vai nel sito ufficiale del progetto\n<krabador> crome, quando ti chiamavi pinguy , ti è stato mandato\n<crome> ok devo cercarlo\n<krabador> crome, http://glx-dock.org/\n<crome> fatto\n<crome> ora\n<krabador> crome, guarda in tutto il menu di ubuntu studio, un riferimento a cairo\n<crome> ok\n<krabador> questo http://www.glx-dock.org/ww_page.php?p=First%20Steps&lang=en risponde a parecchie tue domande\n<vinny74> Ciao a tutti sono nuovo della chat ma non di ubuntu\n<krabador> !supporto | vinny74\n<ubot-it> vinny74: il canale di supporto è #ubuntu-it\n<krabador> !chat | vinny74\n<ubot-it> vinny74: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<krabador> !ciao | vinny74\n<ubot-it> vinny74: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<vinny74> Condivisione cartelle da web con samba\n<vinny74> Ho messo su un server per un cliente e grazie ad owncloud gli ho creato questo cloud, ma l'utente è un pò restio alle innovazioni\n<vinny74> lui aveva delle cartelle condivise in rete che io gli ho portato sul cloud ma per lui sembra essere difficile abituarsi, quindi la mia domanda è\n<vinny74> Si può creare un sistema di condivisione tipo rete interna ma su web io ci ho provato ma non riesco mai ad accedere alle cartelle create con samba da web\n<vinny74> ho preparato un server in locale e tutto va bene ma se rifaccio la stessa configurazione su una VPS questo non va\n<vinny74> i client suno tutti windows\n<crome> e' in inglese ho provato con cambio lingua nulla le altre le cambia in italiano no cmq sto provando dal terminale\n<krabador> !chat | crome\n<ubot-it> crome: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<crome> ok\n<crome> come procedere\n<krabador> !chat | crome\n<ubot-it> crome: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<neramarea> sera a tutti. non riesco a vedere in 16:9 con schermi duplicati il segnale video hdmi in uscita da notebook (ubuntu 12.04) a tv lcd sony 32\". ho già smanettato con xrandr, e sono vicino al risultato, ma... il tv, da scheda tecnica sony, è 1920x1080, ma impostando questa risoluzione, mi viene TAGLIATA una cornice di circa 1,5 cm...\n<Mariottinet> Salve a tutti, ho un problema, ho installato lubuntu su un acer aspire 3050 e non riesco a connetterlo ad internet, il wi-fi non funzona più prima quanto c'era windows funzionava come risolvo?\n<b00k3r> sera\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, versione di lubuntu?\n<Mariottinet> 15.04\n<Mariottinet> desktop\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, ok, apri un terminale e digita il seguente comando: lshw -C network\n<cybernova> !paste | Mariottinet\n<ubot-it> Mariottinet: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Mariottinet> ora provo e ti faccio sapere\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, quel comando serve soltanto per sapere che scheda di rete hai, non risolve nulla\n<Mariottinet> quindi? cmq sara la 802\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, quindi dai quel comando e incolla nel link che ti ho dato l'output e posta qui in canale l'indirizzo\n<Mariottinet> non mi da l'output, dice ke è incompleto\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, digita bene, il comando è giusto e da output\n<zgorbyo> salve a tutti\n<zgorbyo> sarebbe qualcuno in grado di spiegarmi la procedura di installazione ./configure; make; make install ? la trovo spesso e sono un po confuso a riguardo\n<zgorbyo> per esempio adesso dovrei installare un pacchetto che la richiede\n<cybernova> zgorbyo, quella procedura è generale, probabilmente quello che vuoi installare nella cartella avrà un file chiamato README o qualcosa del genere con dentro le istruzioni\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, niente messaggi privati\n<Mariottinet> cybernova, allora ho dato il comando ke mi hai dato mettendo sudo lshw -C network e cosi non mi da errore però non capisco cos'e l'output\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, l'output è il risultato del comando, a video avrà scritto pure qualcosa\n<Mariottinet> ok, description, pruduct, vendor, ecc cosa devo copiare? ti chiedo scusa ma nn sn un esperto\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, tutto qua: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ poi riporti qui in canale l'indirizzo della pagina una volta fatto\n<Mariottinet> ok\n<buntu15> buonasera a tutti\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, sei riuscito?\n<buntu15> ragazzi è possibile avere delle info su dei comandi da terminale\n<cybernova> buntu15, fai la domanda e aspetta che qualcuno che sa la risposta ti risponda\n<Mariottinet> un attimo ho dovuto copiare e mettere in una pen drive ed ora lo metto nel link ke mi hai dato\n<buntu15> vorrei avere informazioni sul comando hash\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, non hai un cavo ethernet per poterti collegare dal pc in questione?\n<Mariottinet> si, ma lo posso fare domani, se metto il cavo e più semplice?\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, sicuramente perchè poi è probabile che bisogna andare a scaricare dei driver da internet che poi si portano dietro dipendenze\n<Mariottinet> ho incollato quello ke hai detto ma c'e una casella poster, e non so cosa mettere e una syntax\n<cybernova> buntu15, è un comando interno della bash, se da terminale dai: help hash ti da la lista delle opzioni e relativa spiegazione di cosa fa anche il comando\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, poster metti il tuo nome e poi clicca Paste!\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, una volta cliccato Paste! ti apre una nuova pagina e tu devi copiare il link di quella pagina\n<Mr_Pan> !paste | Mariottinet\n<ubot-it> Mariottinet: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<buntu15> info hash è la stessa cosa\n<buntu15> che help hash\n<cybernova> buntu15, non è vero, info hash ti pare la pagina di manuale della funzione di libreria hash mentre help hash ti apre il manuale del comando interno della bahs\n<cybernova> bash*\n<Mariottinet> ho messo il nome e cliccato paste mi da una pagina con una schermata con dei numeri da 1 a 27\n<Mariottinet> il link della pagina e questo? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11247849/\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, bravo è proprio questo\n<buntu15> il manuale ovviamente è in inglese\n<Mariottinet> Grazie, finalmente!!! e ora ke si fa?\n<buntu15> esiste una guida di questo tipo di comando in italiano?\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, semplicemente domani con il cavo ethernet ed una connessione ad internet entri dentro a lubuntu e nei driver aggiuntivi avrai la voce che ti fa installare il driver per far funzionare la scheda\n<dadexix86> buntu15, mi sono connesso solo ora, di quale comando parli?\n<Mariottinet> per entrare dentro lubuntu ke intendi?\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, che devi avviare il sistema operativo lubuntu\n<buntu15> salve dadexix86 il comando è hash\n<Mariottinet> tutto qua riconoscera automaticamente?\n<dadexix86> buntu15, sulla mia installaizone trovo solo una libreria \"hash\", nessun comando... con quale pacchetto l'hai installato?\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, si a patto che tu abbia una connessione ad internet, il percorso per installare i driver aggiuntivi è il seguente: Menù â Preferenze â Driver aggiuntivi\n<cybernova> dadexix86, è un comando interno della bash\n<buntu15> ora mi trovo su windows mi ricollego dopo da ubuntu e ti faccio sapere cosa mi esce a video\n<Mariottinet> si ho l'adsl, un buon router ecc. voglio avvicinarmi a linx perchè sono stanco di cercare licenze per programmi windows , qundi imparerò meglio sul pc acer ke e vecchiotto per poi passare al pc buono\n<buntu15> mi dite quale è il server dove ci troviamo per impostarlo su hexchat\n<emilio_> salve a tutti\n<dadexix86> buntu15, se intendi che ti esce questo http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/hash.3.html allora è il manuale della libreria, non del comando della bash (il titolo contiene un (3) tra parentesi, e il (3) è la documentazione delle librerie, per programmare)\n<dadexix86> buntu15, se invece intendi il comando hash della shell, è documentato nel manuale di bash, che dovrebbe essere automaticamente in italiano nel momento in cui installi manpages-it\n<dadexix86> buntu15, te lo metto su pastebin, così fai prima http://paste.ubuntu.com/11248074/\n<emilio_> non riesco a far partire windows xp in dual boot con ubuntu\n<emilio_> ho già provato il comando update-grub senza ottenere risultati .. ho il menù di grub2 con l'entrata per windows ma quando clicko mi porta di nuovo al menù di grub\n<emilio_> l'output di boot info script è questo\n<emilio_> http://pastebin.com/n9ULSu6r\n<buntu15> se installo manpages-ip tutto ciò che si trova su terminale viene tradotto?\n<emilio_> qualcuno sa aiutarmi?\n<dadexix86> buntu15, no, sono i manuali che sono stati tradotti dai santi di www.pluto.it\n<dadexix86> buntu15, chi scrive un programma e lo documenta in genere lo fa solo in inglese, specialmente quelli da terminale, perché 1) normalmente chi programma lavora in inglese 2) l'inglese è ormai una lingua universale in ambito informatico, la conoscono quasi tutti 3) magari il programmatore conosce altre due o tre lingue, ma scrivere la documentazione porta via troppo tempo, quindi viene affidata ad altri volontari la traduzione, m\n<dadexix86> a questi pochi volontari non possono ovviamente stare al passo con la mole di programmi che vengono scritti ogni giorno\n<dadexix86> ma comunque !chat\n<dadexix86> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<emilio_> dadeix86 sapresti aiutarmi?\n<buntu15> mi dici quale è il server irc per poterlo resgistrare sul mio hexchat\n<buntu15> visto che ora sono collegato direttamente da http://chat.ubuntu-it.org/\n<emilio_> anche io sono via web, ho provato irc.freenode.net ma non va\n<emilio_> non mi si collega\n<emilio_> noob a vita :D\n<cristian_c> emilio_, allora\n<cristian_c> buntu15, dico anche a te\n<cristian_c> emilio_, buntu15 il problema sono l'accettazione dei cookie\n<cristian_c> siete entrambi su firefox?\n<buntu15> chrome\n<cristian_c> uhm\n<buntu15> ma il server è sinislao.freenode.net\n<cristian_c> almeno la prima volta dovrebbe apparire nel browser, visitando chat.ubuntu-it.org una richiesta di accettazione dei cookie\n<cristian_c> che dovrebbe comparire in basso nella pagina\n<emilio_> io da browser riesco ad accedere, da mirc no\n<cristian_c> emilio_, forse è meglio approfondire in #ubuntu-it-chat\n<emilio_> ok\n<emilio_> cristian_c sai per caso aiutarmi con il boot di windows?\n<cristian_c> !chiedi\n<ubot-it> per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<Riccardone> emilio_: sei su un canale dedicato a Linux! Per favore ...\n<emilio_> Riccardone il problema è grub\n<emilio_> non è windows\n<emilio_> va configurato da ubuntu se non sbaglio\n<emilio_> oppure se non è in grado di farmi partire windows devo toglierlo\n<Riccardone> emilio_: meglio configurare grub ad hoc ..\n<Riccardone> !grub | emilio_\n<ubot-it> emilio_: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<buntu15> posso sapere quale è il nome del server da impostare sul mio xchat\n<cristian_c> emilio_, in genere la risposta è boot repair\n<Riccardone> buntu15: irc.freenode.net\n<cristian_c> se hai un bios uefi\n<emilio_> cristian_c non è uefi\n<cristian_c> emilio_, ok, allora segui la guida al ripristino del grub\n<cristian_c> !grub | emilio_\n<ubot-it> emilio_: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<emilio_> il problema è che quando scelgo Windows dal menu di boot di Grub, mi riporta al menu stesso\n<Mariottinet> cybernova intanto grazie domani ti faccio sapere se funziona o meno, buonasera a tutti alla prox\n<cristian_c> uhm\n<emilio_> ho anche provato a dare l'update-grub e in grub-mkconfig\n<buntu15> ok fatto grazie\n<cristian_c> emilio_, 15.04?\n<emilio_> 14.04.2\n<emilio_> cristian_c, mi trova Windows ma non mi si avvia\n<emilio_> cristian_c, potrebbe esserti utile l'output di boot info?\n<cristian_c> emilio_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/135272/how-to-boot-into-windows-7-when-grub-is-installed-in-the-windows-partition\n<cristian_c> emilio_, sì, potrebbe essere utile\n<emilio_> ho il link di pastebin, fa uguale?\n<cristian_c> e boot repair potrebbe pure aiutare\n<cristian_c> emilio_, sì\n<emilio_> http://pastebin.com/n9ULSu6r\n<cristian_c> ahhhh, forse capito\n<cristian_c> emilio_, ricordo che era capitato anche a me\n<cristian_c> emilio_, da quando si verifica questo problema?\n<emilio_> ho messo ubuntu da una settimana circa, ma forse è la prima volta che tento di avviare windows\n<cristian_c> ottimo\n<cristian_c> emilio_, hai controllato il bios\n<cristian_c> ?\n<emilio_> cristian_c, probabilmente ho installato il boot loader nella partizione di windows\n<cristian_c> emilio_, mo vediamo\n<emilio_> cristian_c, cosa dovrei controllare nel bios?\n<cristian_c> emilio_, la modalità dell'hard disk sata\n<cristian_c> è ide o ahci?\n<emilio_> cristian_c, dovrei controllare\n<cristian_c> emilio_, allora controlla\n<emilio_> cristian_c, non so precisamente cosa e dove controllare\n<emilio_> c'è una voce IDE controller\n<cristian_c> emilio_, controlla se è impostato ide o ahci\n<emilio_> c'è una voce ide controller -> enabled\n<cristian_c> uhm\n<emilio_> ahci hpet table -> disabled\n<cristian_c> emilio_, di quale pc parliamo?\n<emilio_> ho ripristinato i valori di default del bios\n<emilio_> cristian_c, è un athlon 7750, socket AM2+\n<emilio_> non recentissimo, un pc assemblato\n<cristian_c> emilio_, allora, prova prima a ripristinare grub\n<cristian_c> se pensi di aver installato il grub in sda1\n<cristian_c> !grub\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<cristian_c> emilio_, e installalo in sda, invece\n<emilio_> cristian_c, è installato sicuramente in sda1\n<cristian_c> emilio_, ok, allora ripristinalo installandolo in sda\n<cristian_c> come da guida wiki\n<emilio_> cristian_c, Boot sector info: Grub2 (v1.99) is installed in the boot sector of sda1\n<emilio_> cristian_c, concordi?\n<cristian_c> emilio_, fai una prova\n<cristian_c> su quanto detto ora\n<emilio_> cristian_c, ripristino dando: update-grub && sudo grub-install /dev/sda ?\n<cristian_c> emilio_, leggi tutta la guida\n<cristian_c> con calma\n<cristian_c> emilio_, e ti servirà la live\n<emilio_> cristian_c, posso provare boot-repair dall'ubuntu installato?\n<emilio_> oppure serve smontare le unità ?\n<cristian_c> emilio_, io proverei con la guida che ti è stata linkata\n<emilio_> la guida dice che se ho accesso al sistema basta dare update-grub e grub-install /dev/sda\n<cristian_c> onestamente, mi sembra la cosa più sensata da fare\n<cristian_c> emilio_, la guida ti spiega esattamente i passi da seguire\n<cristian_c> ecco perché ti ho detto di leggerla con attenzione\n<emilio_> cristian_c, ok provo ho solo paura di fare altri danni\n<cristian_c> emilio_, se hai dei dubbi puoi chiedere anche qui\n<cristian_c> mentre la applichi\n<emilio_> ok, grazie ancora\n<emilio_> cristian_c, vado a cena, ho bisogno del disco di ripristino di windows\n<emilio_> cristian_c, grazie dell'aiuto!\n<cristian_c> emilio_, non hai ripristinato grub?\n<daniele_> buona sera a tutti\n<emilio_> cristian_c, no non ci sono riuscito\n<emilio_> adesso non va più neppure grub\n<cristian_c> emilio_, cos'hai fatto esattamente?\n<emilio_> ho usato il boot repair\n<emilio_> ma non ha funzionato\n<emilio_> poi la guida mi rimandava a testdisk\n<emilio_> ma diceva che il boot sector era danneggiato\n<emilio_> adesso provo con la recovery console di xp\n<emilio_> poi nel caso ripristino grub\n<krabador> la recovery console di xp sovrascriverà il bootloader facendoti caricare solo win\n<krabador> per caricare ubuntu o cio' che sia, servirà sempre il ripristino di grub\n<krabador> !grub | emilio_\n<ubot-it> emilio_: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<krabador> segui questa guida per il ripristino di grub\n<krabador> in caso di dual boot ubuntu/xp\n<emilio_> krabador, ho eseguito il ripristino con update-grub e grub-install /dev/sda\n<krabador> emilio_, devi farlo da sessione live\n<krabador> di ubuntu\n<krabador> che carichi con un supporto di installazione\n<emilio_> krabador, ma mi ripristina anche l'mbr di windows?\n<krabador> emilio_, la guida del wiki funziona perfettament e\n<emilio_> krabador, il problema è che ho installato grub in sda1\n<krabador> emilio_, segui la guida.\n<emilio_> ok\n<emilio_> lo faccio\n<emilio_> metto ubuntu live su usb\n<emilio_> krabador, basta la live di ubuntu oppure devo scaricare super grub disk?\n<krabador> non la vuoi proprio leggere la guida\n<Riccardo62> Buonasera a tutti\n<Riccardo62> Una pregunta...\n<krabador> !ciao | Riccardo62\n<ubot-it> Riccardo62: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<Riccardo62> paura eh ?\n<Riccardo62> tutto ok krabador\n<Riccardo62> grazie ancora volevo solo rassicurarvi sul buon esito\n<krabador> non è ancora esploso niente dopo un giorno\n<krabador> ottimo\n<Riccardo62> il timer era difettoso :)\n<krabador> non è detto allora, bene.\n<Riccardo62> un saluto e ancora grazie\n<emilio_> krabador l'ho letta 10 volte la guida\n<emilio_> krabador, avevo accesso a grub e quindi al sistema, non mi dice che serve la live necessariamente\n<emilio_> krabador: se non avessi avuto accesso a grub, avrei dovuto usare la live\n<emilio_> krabador: comunque adesso ho la live su usb, eseguo i comandi da lì e vediamo\n<cristian_c> emilio_, infatti ti avevo detto di farlo in live\n<emilio_> krabador: mi ripristinerà grub e windows non si avvierà ugualmente\n<krabador> emilio_, dipende dal cosa è successo a windows, molto semplicement e\n<emilio_> nella guida non c'è scritto di farlo in live\n<krabador> emilio_, se hai dato \"update-grub e grub-install /dev/sda\" come hai detto , hai già sbagliato\n<rek> usa live e sei a posto\n<emilio_> krabador, cosa dovrei fare allora?\n<emilio_> invece di darmi la guida, ditemi quale punto della guida seguire\n<cristian_c> emilio_, scusa, ma hai detto di aver installato grub su sda1 invece che sda\n<emilio_> perchè ci sono 10 procedure in quella guida\n<krabador> emilio_, ripristinare grub al di fuori del sistema che viene caricato tramite esso\n<emilio_> cristian_c, si, durante l'installazione di ubuntu\n<krabador> è il modo piu' valido\n<krabador> di ripristinare grub\n<emilio_> cristian_c, per quello ho dato grub-install /dev/sda\n<emilio_> per spostarlo su sda\n<emilio_> come dice la guida\n<cristian_c> emilio_, io ti avevo detto di leggere l'intera guida\n<cristian_c> con calma\n<cristian_c> anzi, ripetuto più volte\n<emilio_> cosa ho sbagliato?\n<emilio_> ho letto la guida\n<krabador> <krabador> emilio_, ripristinare grub al di fuori del sistema che viene caricato tramite esso è il modo piu' valido\n<emilio_> krabador, già fatto\n<krabador> carica quindi la / una live, e segui i passi indicati\n<emilio_> adesso ho grub funzionante\n<emilio_> ma devo ripristinare l'mbr di windows\n<emilio_> in pratica sono tornato al punto di partenza\n<krabador> emilio_, ma che errore ti da il caricamento di win?\n<cristian_c> emilio_, ti dissi che ci sono vari step nella guida\n<emilio_> nessun errore, mi torna al menu di grub\n<cristian_c> una serie dettagliata di comandi da eseguire\n<cristian_c> in live\n<krabador> !mbr | emilio_\n<ubot-it> emilio_: Per ripristinare MBR: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/RipristinoMbrWindows\n<emilio_> è come se invece di caricare windows mi ricaricasse grub\n<krabador> in questo modo puoi ripristinare mbr win, ma probabilmente windows ha problemi piu' seri\n<emilio_> krabador, grazie, quello che cercavo\n<emilio_> adesso provo\n<krabador> toglimi solo una curiosità \n<emilio_> e vi dico\n<emilio_> si\n<emilio_> krabador: si?\n<krabador> l'hai appena effettuata una procedura da live di ripristino di grub, da quando ne stiamo parlando , o il tuo \"già fatto\" si riferisce a qualcosa che hai fatto prima che ti si segnalasse ulteriormente qui in canale ?\n<fazio85> VOLEVO SAPERE SE CI SONO DRIVER X UNA STAMPANTE LEXMARK X2500 X LINUX UBUNTU\n<emilio_> krabador, l'ho fatta 10 minuti fa\n<emilio_> krabador, ho usato ms-sys e non ha dato errore, però non ho più il menù di grub all'avvio\n<emilio_> adesso lo sto ripristinando tramite boot-repair\n<emilio_> da live cd\n<emilio_> vediamo che ne viene fuori ..\n<fazio85> buonasera volevo sapere se x la lexmark x2500 ci sono i driver x ubuntu?\n<fazio85> potete darmi il link con il file deb? se ci sia?\n<emilio_> krabador: nulla da fare\n<emilio_> windows non parte\n<emilio_> boot-repair mi rimanda a testdisk\n<cristian_c> fazio85,\n<cristian_c> fazio85, allora\n<cristian_c> emilio_, puoi ripristinare grub seguendo la guida linkata in precedenza\n<cristian_c> fazio85, non risulta supportata\n<cristian_c> fazio85, no privato\n<cristian_c> fazio85, qui dichiarano di aver trovato un metodo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1243920\n<cristian_c> fazio85, non insistere, niente messaggi privati di supporto\n<krabador> emilio_, i problemi di windows sono piu' gravi\n<cristian_c> fazio85, te l'ho detto, non usare il privato per questioni di supporto, scrivi in canale\n<krabador> emilio_, puoi solo provare a ripristinare il sistema win con un disco win, e poi ripristinare grub,\n<fazio85> ok\n<krabador> emilio_, sempre se il primo ripristino riesce\n<emilio_> krabador, si devo trovare un modo per usare la console di ripristino di windows xp da chiavetta usb\n<krabador> emilio_, non ha il lettore questo pc ?\n<fazio85> la lexmark x2500 ha driver per linux\n<emilio_> krabador si ma devo comprare un cd ..\n<emilio_> krabador, domani lo faccio\n<krabador> emilio_, già riparare il pc gratis va bene\n<krabador> un cd, crolla il mondo, no?\n<emilio_> krabador, nono figurati è che devo farlo domani\n<krabador> cosa che conferma che non hai la licenza originale\n<fazio85> eventualmente qualcuno può darmi il link\n<krabador> se non sei già in possesso di cd di winxp\n<krabador> emilio_, in bocca al lupo\n<emilio_> krabador, installo windows tramite msdn\n<emilio_> conosci?\n<krabador> !chat | emilio_\n<ubot-it> emilio_: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<emilio_> è un programma microsoft che fornisce license gratis di windows agli studenti\n<emilio_> quindi non ho proprio bisogno di copie non originali\n<krabador> !chat | emilio_\n<ubot-it> emilio_: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<emilio_> se mi dici che non ho la licenza originale mi dà fastidio, non sono qui per spammare\n<oblo> fazio85 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1243920\n<cristian_c> oblo, aveva già il link\n<oblo> ah\n<oblo> non funge quindi\n<oblo> andato\n<cristian_c> non sappiamo se l'abbia seguita\n#ubuntu-it 2015-05-21\n<pugmel> salve a tutti e buon giorno\n<pugmel> io uso ubuntu 15.04 64 bit gira bene unica cosa che non mi trova più i driver per scheda audio e scheda video originali\n<pugmel> prima con altre versioni di ubuntu me lo trovava subito ora per giocare a steam no posso usare la scheda grafica originale come si spiega questo??\n<fazio85> buongiorno potete aiutarmi ho un problema con la mia stampante lexmark x2500 su ubuntu?\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<davegarath> ragazzi, lanciando un upgrade ho avuto questo errore con l'upgrade di grub : http://paste.ubuntu.com/11260643/\n<davegarath> che è sto loop0p1 ?\n<dadexix86> davegarath, personalmente direi un cd/dvd... quale versione di Ubuntu usi e quali ppa esterni hai abilitato?\n<davegarath> dadexix86: 14.04.02 LTS ppa... fammi vedere\n<Carlin0> davegarath, per i ppa ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/\n<davegarath> sì sì stavo guardando\n<davegarath> ho chrome e stavo guardando grub-customizer\n<davegarath> non ricordavo fosse un ppa\n<Carlin0> grub costumizer ... visto che l'errore è su grub\n<Carlin0> è un forte indiziato\n<jester-> davegarath: Ssistema su partizione o dentro a winz\n<davegarath> sì infatti pensavo anche io\n<davegarath> jester-: in che senso ? non c'è winz è partizionato con lvm\n<dadexix86> davegarath, concordo con Carlin0\n<davegarath> quindi che mi consigliate di fare ? eliminare grub-customizer e commentare il ppa ?\n<Carlin0> davegarath, le personalizzazioni su grub meglio farle a manina\n<jester-> aaah lvm del cass\n<davegarath> jester-: sono un estimatore di lvm non posso farne a meno\n<davegarath> ;)\n<jester-> davegarath: consigliabile rimuover il ppa con ppa-purge\n<jester-> !ppapurge\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'ppapurge'\n<jester-> !ppa-purge\n<ubot-it> Per disabilitare una PPA dai tuoi sorgenti e ripristinare i pacchetti di default di Ubuntu, installare ppa-purge e utilizzare il comando: sudo ppa-purge ppa: <repository-name> / <subdirectory> - Per ulteriori informazioni, vedere http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html\n<dadexix86> lo stesso lavoro di ppa-purge da qualche tempo lo fa anche add-apt-repository -r , e non bisogna installare nulla di nuovo\n<dadexix86> !add-apt-repository\n<ubot-it> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)\n<davegarath> come identifico il repositorty-name ? c'è anche un ppa list ?\n<dadexix86> come l'hai aggiunto, lo togli. se hai dato sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mantainer/repository, dai sudo add-apt-repository -r ppa:mantainer/repository\n<jester-> davegarath: è la stringa che hai usapo per aggiungere il repo\n<jester-> dadexix86: nel terminale dai history | grep ppa\n<davegarath> trovata di culo nell'history ;) non me la ricordavo\n<davegarath> mmm http://paste.ubuntu.com/11260823/ ho rimosso il ppa che mi ha rimosso account-plugin-windows-live ( che non pensavo manco di avere ;) )\n<davegarath> ma grub-customizer c'è ancora lo devo segare a mano ?\n<jester-> Unable to find an archive \"trusty\" for the package \"grub-customizer\"\n<jester-> come da copione i ppa sani sono molto pochi\n<davegarath> beh l'ho segato a mano\n<jester-> si ma il purge dovrebbe ripristinare le impostazioni precedenti\n<davegarath> ora dovrei fare un dist-upgrade per il kernel che have been kept back\n<davegarath> dovrebbe rilanciare il grub e vediamo che combina\n<davegarath> devo fare altro prima ?\n<davegarath> mmm ho aggiornato il nuovo kernel\n<davegarath> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11260935/\n<davegarath> non mi piace questa stringa : cryptsetup: WARNING: target md127_crypt uses a key file, skipped\n<davegarath> perché l'ha skippata ?\n<davegarath> il mio loop0p1 può essere il mio raid ?\n<jester-> davegarath: partizione criptata?\n<davegarath> jester-: sì\n<davegarath> ma ne ho diverse di partizioni criptate\n<jester-> eh non è ancora affidabile e si sminchia spesso\n<davegarath> ho parecchi dischi\n<davegarath> 3 dei quali sono in raid5 e criptati\n<davegarath> poi ho i LV di root e di home criptati a loro volta\n<davegarath> in un altro disco\n<jester-> davegarath: mi pare di capire che canna una partizione criptata\n<jester-> fai uno scandisk e auguri\n<davegarath> mi sa che ho il raid che ha dei problemi\n<jester-> facile\n<davegarath> il /proc/mdstat mi dice che è tutto a posto però\n<jester-> o remix_tj il raid expert\n<davegarath> il mio problema sono sti cazzo di Inoput/output error sul loop0p1\n<jester-> cosa c'è nel loop0p1\n<davegarath> bella domanda è quello che vorrei capire\n<davegarath> il raid è stato mappato come md127_crypt http://paste.ubuntu.com/11261021/\n<davegarath> ed il pvs lo vede\n<davegarath> come faccio a capire cosa sia sto loop0p1 ?\n<jester-> davegarath: pare una partizione ciucca\n<jester-> per non sapere ne leggere ne scrivere fai scandisk su tutte le partizioni\n<davegarath> scandisk ?\n<jester-> fsck\n<davegarath> fsck lo faccio sui block device mica sulle partizioni .... :/\n<jester-> davegarath: so poco di raid\n<davegarath> i bd sono tutti LV\n<jester-> ma penso che le varie partizioni possono essere fsckappate\n<davegarath> ma c'è un modo per capire a cosa punti sto loop ?\n<jester-> non so se raid ha comando particolare\n<jester-> davegarath: se non ti assiste remix_tj la vedo dura\n<davegarath> spero si manifesti presto :)\n<davegarath> remix_tj: aiuttooooo :D\n<jester-> le drè laurà \n<jester-> davegarath: spera di non avere un disco a mignotte\n<davegarath> ma non vorrei che sia sto kernel che ha qualche problema nel gesire il raid... da quando sono passato a 14.04 ho avuto parecchi problemi di performance ad accedre al raid\n<davegarath> se fosse un disco a mignotte pace il raid dovrebbe escluderlo\n<davegarath> è fatto apposta\n<jester-> che tipo di raid hai\n<davegarath> sw\n<davegarath> l'ho fatto con mdadm\n<davegarath> 3 dischi in raid5\n<fabiana> ciao a tutti\n<fabiana> !domande\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'domande'\n<fabiana> !regole\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'regole'\n<fabiana> !list\n<ubot-it> questo non è un canale per scaricare o di condivisione di contenuti\n<fabiana> ragazzi conoscete qualche utiliy per il recupero di dischi fissi?\n<krabador> fabiana, chiedi , se hai domande sul supporto ubuntu\n<fabiana> ciao krabador\n<mettiu> buongiorno che differenza tra la 14.04.02 LTS e 14.04.02 LTS (supportata comunita) ?\n<krabador> mettiu, la versione della comunità ha solo queste differenze http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/CdItaliano#Personalizzazioni\n<krabador> molto semplicemente , è localizzata in italiano\n<mettiu> ok meglio scegliere una 32 o una 64?\n<mettiu> !pastebin\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<krabador> tu che processore hai?\n<mettiu> come faccio a capirlo?\n<mettiu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11263653/\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> cat /proc/cpuinfo | pastebinit\n<mettiu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11263749/\n<mettiu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11263775/\n<mettiu> krabador, ti serve altro?\n<krabador> mettiu, ti sei accorto che hai un problema?\n<mettiu> no.\n<mettiu> che tipo?\n<krabador> lscpu ha comunque rilevato che puoi mettere una versione a 64 bit, ma il secondo pastebin, leggilo bene\n<mettiu> non lo so leggere.\n<mettiu> che intendi per problema?\n<krabador> mettiu, torna quando hai imparato a leggere.\n<mettiu> so leggere l'italiano, ma non sono un esperto di pc.\n<mettiu> krabador, se parli di un problema ti chiedo di dirmi cosa intendi\n<alfomega> hello\n<alfomega> salve\n<alfomega> sto cercando di installare ubuntu 15.04 su un hp envy con intel i7 ma mi da una serie di errori dopo il boot e non parte nemmeno la versione di prova live\n<joke2k> buondi\n<alfomega> salve\n<alfomega> c'e' qualcuno di supporto?\n<generale2> salve\n<krabador> !ciao | generale2\n<ubot-it> generale2: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<generale2> ho una macchina server con 2 schede di rete, con ubuntu 15.04; vorrei usarla a cascata di un modem telecom\n<generale2> e a monte di uno switch\n<generale2> collegato ad un ufficio con un 20 pc sia windows che ubuntu\n<generale2> vorrei creare una specie di hotspot che mi genstisca le connessioni\n<generale2> limitando facebook youtube\n<generale> mi servirebbe un aiuto\n<Carlin0> !aiuto\n<ubot-it> per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<krabador> generale, qui si fa supporto tecnico al sistema operativo ubuntu\n<krabador> non si fa amministrazione di rete e sistema gratis\n<krabador> !supporto | generale\n<ubot-it> generale: il canale di supporto è #ubuntu-it\n<generale> -.- ok ho capito\n<krabador> !chat | generale\n<ubot-it> generale: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<generale> ma mi serviva na dritta tutto qui\n<generale> troppo fiscali\n<krabador> generale, http://www.ubuntu.com/management/ubuntu-advantage\n<Carlin0> generale, se non si facesse così ...\n<generale> ok ok\n<AndroUser> ðð\n<Mariottinet> Buon pomeriggio a tutti\n<cybernova> !ciao | Mariottinet\n<ubot-it> Mariottinet: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<Mariottinet> cybernova, stamattina ho messo il cavo ethernet ma carica in continuazione e nn succede nulla ke faccio?\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, dove si blocca precisamente?\n<Mariottinet> in basso a destra dove c'e l'iconcina della rete carica e resta in carica snz connettersi\n<Carlin0> ma cosa carica ?\n<Mariottinet> la connesione\n<Carlin0> cosa vuol dire\n<Mariottinet> ke non si connette\n<Carlin0> ti spiace scrivere in italiano\n<Mariottinet> ?\n<Carlin0> prova al terminale â ping -c 3 google.com\n<Carlin0> risponde ?\n<Mariottinet> sto provando\n<Mariottinet> dice ping: unknown host google.com\n<Carlin0> che router hai ?\n<Mariottinet> netgear 300\n<Carlin0> e che ubuntu usi ?\n<Mariottinet> lubuntu 15.04\n<Carlin0> ma adesso sei collegato con quello ?\n<Mariottinet> il router si, i problemi sono nel l'altro pc un acer aspire 3050 wxmi\n<Carlin0> se dai sempre al terminale â route -n\n<Carlin0> che numero esce sotto la scritta gateway ?\n<Carlin0> 192.168. ????\n<Carlin0> completa questo\n<Mariottinet> niente numero sotto la scritta\n<Carlin0> non esce 192.168. qualcos'altro ?\n<Mariottinet> no\n<Carlin0> ma la scheda di rete di quel pc sei sicuro che vada ?\n<Mariottinet> quanto era windows si e pure il wi-fi funzionava\n<Carlin0> il wifi è una cosa ... ethernet un altra\n<Mariottinet> come ho messo lubuntu non e funzionato più niente\n<Carlin0> mi spiace devo andare ... vedi se riesce a aiutarti qualcun altro al limite ripassa\n<Mariottinet> ok grazie\n<Mariottinet> cybernova, novità ?\n<mettiu> ciao ho scaricato ubuntu 15.04 messo su chiavetta usb, poi ho fatto la procedura creatore dischi di avvio, ma adesso non mi è chiaro cosa dev ofare.\n<Mr_Pan> Mariottinet, l'acer in questione sul frontale ha un interruttore a scorrimento per attivare la wifi .. assicurati che sia acceso\n<Mariottinet> e non accende lo so ke c'e l'interruttore c'e lo da anni\n<Mr_Pan> mettiu,lascia la usb inserita e riavvia il pc scegliendo la usb come avvio (alcuni pc F12 per attivare il menù di scelta del boot o F2 per entrare nel BIOS e cambiare la sequenza di boot predefinita)\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, con la ethernet dovrebbe andare, tra l'altro guardando il paste di ieri, usa il driver correttamente\n<cybernova> mettiu, cosa stai cercando di fare?\n<Mariottinet> cybernova, non ho capito\n<mettiu> cybernova, voglio prima farlo partire il lifem, poi vedere se funziona e poi installarlo definitivamente\n<cybernova> mettiu, lifem cosa sarebbe?\n<cybernova> intendi la live probabilmente\n<mettiu> live.\n<mettiu> si scusa\n<mettiu> vado? provo?\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, il cavo ethernet è funzionante? prova a cambiare la porta nel router in cui la colleghi\n<cybernova> mettiu, si segui quanto ti ha detto Mr_Pan\n<mettiu> ho gia provato, ma non ho trovato usb...\n<Mariottinet> si e funzionante, ora provo a cambiare\n<mettiu> cybernova, non riesco ad avviare, mi da MBA configuartion ma non trovo la priorita di partenza!\n<mettiu> facendo ctrl+s\n<cybernova> mettiu, la chiavetta di avvio su che sistema operativo l'hai fatta? filesystem della chiavetta?\n<mettiu> ubuntu\n<mettiu> 12.10\n<cybernova> mettiu, filesystem della chiavetta?\n<mettiu> cybernova, scusa ma non capisco. cosa mi chiedi.\n<Mariottinet> cybernova, ho dato il comando lshw -C network e stavolta nella schermata sono spuntati una serie di cose, tipo serial: 00:16: ecc size: 100Mbit/s capaccity: 100Mbit/s width: 32 bit clock:33 MHz capabilitiaes: pm bus_master ecc, configuation: autonegotiation=on ecc\n<cybernova> mettiu, ntfs, fat32, ext4?\n<mettiu> cybernova, come faccio a capirlo?\n<mettiu> tipo di filesistem msdos.\n<cybernova> mettiu, inserisci la chiavetta e dai il comando sudo blkid\n<cybernova> !paste | mettiu\n<ubot-it> mettiu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, quello c'era anche ieri\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, è cambiato qualcosa cambiando la porta nel router?\n<mettiu> cybernova, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11267049/\n<cybernova> mettiu, mettici sudo davanti: sudo blkid\n<mettiu> cybernova, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11267066/\n<Mariottinet> a sii? non ricordavo, no niente riconosce il cavo xkè cambiando porta stacca il caricamento e quando lo inserisco riparte\n<cybernova> mettiu, ok è fat32, prova una cosa, proviamo a farla da terminale, devi dare il comando: sudo dd if=pathdelfileiso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M && sync\n<cybernova> mettiu, al posto di pathdelfileiso devi metterci il path dove il file .iso risiede\n<cybernova> mettiu, attenzione a dare il comando giusto, prima di inviarlo postalo qua\n<Mariottinet> cybernova, scusa ma per esempio il pc da cui sto chattando e connesso in wi-fi, il fatto che abbia messo il cavo nell'altro non ci fa nulla vero? cioè posso usare il wi-fi in un pc ed ethernet in un altro?\n<mettiu> cybernova, sudo dd if=/media/pc2/DISK_IMG of=/dev/sdb bs=4M && sync\n<cybernova> mettiu, no il path è sbagliato devi mettere quello del file .iso che hai scaricato\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, si tranquillamente\n<mettiu> cybernova, isudo dd if=/media/pc2/DISK_IMG/ubuntu-15.04-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M && sync\n<mettiu> ?\n<Mariottinet> ok, cmq ho provato tutte e 4 le porte ed è sempre uguale\n<mettiu> cybernova, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11267171/\n<cybernova> mettiu, scusa aspeetta un attimo, il disco DISK_IMG non è la chiavetta?\n<mettiu> cybernova,\n<mettiu> si la chiavetta di chiama cosi\n<cybernova> mettiu, e allora come fa ad esserci il file .iso dentro alla chiavetta?\n<mettiu> cybernova,\n<mettiu> è dentro il .iso perchè?\n<mettiu> intendo dire è dentro la chiave usb il file .iso non va bene?\n<cybernova> mettiu, ma non hai creato un disco d'avvio?\n<mettiu> cybernova, si con creatore disco d'avvio\n<Mariottinet> mettiu, io per fare la chiavetta avviabile uso il programma rufus-2.1 e semplice leggero veloce e senza installazione\n<cybernova> mettiu, non ci siamo, allora copia il file .iso sul tuo pc locale intanto\n<mettiu> cybernova, ok copiato. in scrivania\n<cybernova> mettiu, velocissimo...allora al posto del path che c'era prima metti quello della iso sulla scrivania\n<davegarath> mettiu: sei sicuro che abbia finito la copia ? ci ha messo troppo poco\n<mettiu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11267287/\n<mettiu> si si copiato. ma ci ho messo di piu a sistemare sto percorso.... lo sapevo.\n<mettiu> cybernova, adesso?\n<cybernova> mettiu, ora ci siamo, prima però dai il comando: sudo umount /dev/sdb1\n<mettiu> cy\n<mettiu> cybernova,\n<mettiu> questo dato.\n<mettiu> adesso do il comando co lpercorso.\n<cybernova> mettiu, ora dai il comando di prima\n<cybernova> mettiu, aspetta che finisca, ci metterà un pochino\n<mettiu> cybernova, dato ... ma non fa niente.\n<cybernova> mettiu, aspetta che stampi dell'output\n<mettiu> cy\n<mettiu> cybernova, quanto ci mette?\n<cybernova> mettiu, qualche minuto\n<cybernova> poi dipende\n<mettiu> cybernova,\n<mettiu> questo comando cosa fa?\n<cybernova> mettiu, crea il disco d'avvio\n<mettiu> dove?\n<cybernova> mettiu, secondo te dove?\n<mettiu> cybernova,\n<mettiu> non lo so, non sono esperto.\n<cybernova> mettiu, nella chiavetta usb\n<mettiu> cyber\n<mettiu> cosa è il disco di avvio?\n<cybernova> mettiu, come hai fatto ad installare ubuntu 12.10?\n<mettiu> cybernova, è successo anni fa. non ricordo niente....\n<mettiu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11267442/\n<mettiu> cy\n<mettiu> cybernova, fatto\n<mettiu> adesso devo andare... mannaggia.\n<Mariottinet> cybernova, il pc non ne vuole sapere di connettersi, quindi adesso stacco la spina domani metto di nuovo windows e vediamo se funziona di nuovo, quello ke non capisco e se il pc nasce cosi che cn un semplice tasto si attiva il wi-fi perchè appena ho cambiato sistema operativo nn e funzionato più?\n<mettiu> manca tanto?\n<cybernova> mettiu, bene ora riavvi e fai partire il boot da chiavetta e hai fatto\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, perchè se non c'è il driver della schedina wifi non funziona nulla, il tasto semplicementa la spegne e la accende\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, se non ti arrendi ci sarebbe un altro modo\n<Mariottinet> cioè?\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, segui questo paragrafo: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviSenzaFili/Broadcom#Installare_i_driver_b43_senza_connessione_internet\n<Mariottinet> ok, grazie\n<cybernova> prego, tu hai detto che usi la 15.04, prova a seguire i passi per la 14.04\n<Mariottinet> si esatto, quindi seguo quelli per 14.04\n<Mariottinet> ammesso ke riesca a seguire\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, se metti la 14.04 però c'è la sicurezza che i passaggi funzionano\n<Mariottinet> cioè non devo togliere la 15.04 e mettere la 14.04, ma seguire solo i passi della 14.04 giusto?\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, allora, i passi per la 14.04 su 15.04 potrebbero non corrispondere, la guida non è ancora stata aggiornata, se vuoi essere sicuro devi installare la 14.04\n<Mariottinet> umm, ok allora dmn lo faccio e ti faro sapere come va,ok? intanto grazie 1000 e buona serata\n<cybernova> Mariottinet, va bene, prego e buona serata anche a te\n<Mariottinet> cybernova scusa mi ridai il link della procedura ke ho sbagliato a salvarlo\n<Mariottinet> come non detto lo recuperata\n<akis24> sera\n<paonazzo> ragazzi non riesco a visualizzare corettamente i file wmv.... aiutatemi\n<paonazzo> ah che maleducato dimenticavo: buonasera!\n<krabador> paonazzo, hai installato vlc ?\n<paonazzo> yes krabador\n<krabador> che ubuntu stai usando?\n<paonazzo> ubuntu 14.04\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras\n<paonazzo> Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS\n<paonazzo> precisamente\n<paonazzo> krabador: l'ho già installato\n<paonazzo> il video di solito parte ma non procede, poi in seguito il programma crasha!\n<krabador> vlc ?\n<krabador> paonazzo, provato con totem?\n<paonazzo> si, ma uno qualsiasi dei lettori video\n<krabador> paonazzo, apri il lettore dal terminale, manda il video e riporta i messaggi d'errore qui\n<krabador> con pastebin\n<paonazzo> ok\n<krabador> !pastebin | paonazzo\n<ubot-it> paonazzo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<krabador> paonazzo, per favore, manda anche sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> e poi sudo apt-get update | pastebinit\n<paonazzo> krabador: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11269482/\n<krabador> paonazzo, riproduci per favore un wmv che non sia un flusso di rete\n<paonazzo> ah...\n<paonazzo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11269510/\n<paonazzo> così va meglio krabador ?\n<krabador> paonazzo, sudo apt-get install mplayer\n<krabador> paonazzo, mplayer file.wmv\n<krabador> vedi cosa fa, e manda un pastebin qui per favore\n<paonazzo> krabador: già installato\n<krabador> e allora fallo , non segnalare se una cosa ce l'hai o no\n<paonazzo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11269559/ krabador\n<paonazzo> sto procedendo con l'update\n<paonazzo> krabador: con mplayer sembrerebbe funzionare\n<paonazzo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11269602/ ho interrotto io il flusso\n<krabador> paonazzo, quanto dura questo video di esempio wmv che hai mandato?\n<paonazzo> pochi minuti\n<paonazzo> non è file particolarmente lungo\n<krabador> paonazzo, ti chiedo di visualizzarlo tutto, per favore, e , di visualizzarlo facendo degli skip avanti e dietro 7\n<paonazzo> l'ho fatto con numerosi skip in avanti e indietro, non ho riscontrato grossi problemi\n<paonazzo> devo inserire il pastebin del file?\n<krabador> paonazzo, no, mandalo anche tutto senza toccarlo\n<paonazzo> lo sto facendo\n<paonazzo> intanto è terminato l'update\n<krabador> paonazzo, hai mandato sudo apt-get update | pastebinit ?\n<krabador> in questo modo ti viene direttamente creato il link del pastebin da inviare qui\n<paonazzo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11269690/ krabador\n<paonazzo> come krabador non ho chiaro il meccanismo...\n<krabador> paonazzo, sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<paonazzo> fatto\n<krabador> sudo apt-get update | pastebinit\n<krabador> e lui crea il link da incollare qui\n<paonazzo> una volta che voglio incollare il file come faccio???\n<krabador> del risultato del comando sudo apt-get update\n<krabador> paonazzo, leggi cio' che sto scrivendo\n<paonazzo> ok\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> sudo apt-get update | pastebinit\n<krabador> ed incolla qui il link risultante\n<krabador> che ti apparirà nel terminale\n<paonazzo> krabador: come faccio a riprodurre un flusso di rete wmv con mplayer?\n<paonazzo> krabador: il file wmv continua a non essr riprodotto da vlc...\n<krabador> paonazzo, mplayer indirizzoflusso\n<paonazzo> purtroppo quell'indirizzo di flusso sembrerebbe non funzionare...\n<krabador> paonazzo, lo scrivi correttamente ?\n<paonazzo> e si...\n<krabador> paonazzo, arriva il risultato del comando che ti ho chiesto per favore, di mandare, diverso tempo fa ?\n<paonazzo> l'ho scritto! adesso te lo ripropongo http://paste.ubuntu.com/11269690/\n<krabador> bravo , stai riproponendo una cosa che non ti ho neanche chiesto\n<krabador> ti ho chiesto, esattamente 4 volte\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> sudo apt-get update | pastebinit\n<krabador> ma neanche l'ombra , del link risultante\n<paonazzo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11269900/\n<krabador> paonazzo, cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit\n<paonazzo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11269902/\n<krabador> ls -la /etc/apt/sources.list.d | pastebinit\n<paonazzo> ls -la /etc/apt/sources.list.d | pastebinit\n<paonazzo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11269927/\n<krabador> ma quanti bei ppa\n<krabador> paonazzo, dpkg -l | grep libav\n<paonazzo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11269969/\n<krabador> paonazzo, dpkg -l | grep vdpau | pastebinit\n<paonazzo> krabador: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11269975/\n<krabador> paonazzo, allora, vlc --- strumenti --- preferenze --- tutto --- ingresso codificatori --- codificatori video --- ffmpeg , selezioni nel menu decodifica hardware \"decodificatore video VDPAU\"\n<krabador> salvi , chiudi vlc , lo riapri, e vedi cosa fa\n<paonazzo> ok krabador\n<paonazzo> krabador: non riesco a visualizzare l'opzione decod\"decodificatore video VDPAU\"\n<krabador> paonazzo, quante ne hai in quel menu a tendina?\n<paonazzo> ho l'opzione Video Acceleration (VA) API\n<paonazzo> tre\n<paonazzo> quella appena detta, automatico, disabilita\n<krabador> paonazzo, che scheda grafica hai ?\n<paonazzo> non saprei... come faccio a vederla da terminale?\n<krabador> paonazzo, sudo lshw -C video | pastebinit\n<paonazzo> krabador: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11270381/\n<krabador> paonazzo, sudo apt-get install mesa-vdpau-drivers libvdpau-va-gl1 | pastebinit\n<paonazzo> sudo apt-get install mesa-vdpau-drivers libvdpau-va-gl1 | pastebinit\n<paonazzo> scusa\n<paonazzo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11270470/\n<krabador> paonazzo, hai diversi ppa, che rischiano di intralciare l'installazione di pacchetti nel sistema\n<krabador> come tra l'altro in questo caso\n<daniele_> sera\n<sam_x> ciao ragazzi, un'informazione: sono da molto alle prese con una completa migrazione a linux. Al momento uso l'ultima lts ma, a causa dellìimpossibilità di installare i driver grafici intel su quest'ultima, sto pensando di passare alla 15.04. L'unica mia paura è questa: dovrò aggiornare il SO ogni 6 mesi?? Ho letto che non è una cosa esente da risch\n<sam_x> i e grane.... voi che dite? Grazie\n<jester-> sam_x: intel non necessita di driver installati, sono gia nel kernel\n<sam_x> io volevo installare quelli da 01.org perché al momento con i driver che ho scalda da morire... pensavo che installando quelli lì avrei risolto\n<jester-> sam_x: che mi risulti intel passa qualcosa dal suo sito per le piu recenti schede il resto è meglio evitarlo e se scalda non è detto che sia un problema di driver video ma piu facilmente una incompatibilità acpi\n<jester-> sam_x: prov la live della 15.04 e vedi cme butta\n<sam_x> ok, grazie del consiglio. Per la question lts/non lts che mi consigli? Usare non lts è una grana?\n<sam_x> Grazie, naturalmente dell'aiuto\n<jester-> non sei obbligato ad avanzare ogni sei mesi\n<Carlin0> lts 5 anni di supporto , non lts 9 mesi\n<sam_x> per la tua esperienza gli avanzamenti \"filano liscio\"?\n<jester-> se non usi ppa si\n<sam_x> grazie, ancora. Qualcosa mi dice che ci risentiremo ;)\n<carminebuntu> ciao qualcuno sa come posso far funzionare correttamente il surround 5.1 dtt2200 con audio alc850 integrato nella scheda madre a8n-sli deluxe ?\n<carminebuntu> con ubuntu 15.04\n<nigella> ciao , da qualche giorno abword e libreoffice mi fanno un sacco di bug e piccoli problemi durante la modifica dei documenti word\n<nigella> si rallentano oppure cambiano spazi da soli, oppure non mi fanno piuù scrivere perchè inseriscono una lettere e 3 no. come posso fare?\n<jester-> nigella: modifica di documenti creati con ms office?\n<nigella> no creati su lubuntu\n<nigella> file abword\n<nigella> e file salvati in doc da libreoffice\n<jester-> se ne crei uno nuovo?\n<nigella> hmmm mi accorgo che anche in un file nuove, rallenta e si bugga appena inserisco un immagine jpg\n<nigella> come mai?\n<krabador> nigella, sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<jester-> nigella: con gedit?\n<krabador> dpkg -l | grep libre | pastebinit\n<krabador> incolla qui l'indirizzo web prodotto da quest'ultimo\n<nigella> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11272345/\n<nigella> cos'è gedit?\n<krabador> nigella, se hai lubuntu, apri leafpad\n<krabador> vedi se si comporta nello stesso modo che hai appena descritto\n<jester-> nigella: che pc e quanta ram?\n<nigella> NOTEBOOK samsung intel atom 1gb ram 16'gb HD\n<nigella> leafpad è a posto\n<nigella> ma sono abbastanza convinto che sia l'inserimento dell'immagine che mandi in pappa libreoffice e abword perchè su leafpad che non posso inserire immagini non dà problemi naturalmente\n<jester-> nigella: libre non è un drago e il pc nemmeno\n<krabador> nigella, 1gb , sebbene, lubuntu , sono un po' pochi per certe operazioni\n<nigella> bè cavolo però, sto facendo cose semplici :D testo + 1 foto roba da amiga :)\n<Carlin0> poi se un file lo crei con abword è meglio se continui a gestirlo con quello\n<krabador> esatto\n<krabador> nigella, se l'immagine è 500mega, non proprio \"roba da amiga\"\n<nigella> l'immagine è grande 4 mega\n<nigella> risoluzioni medie niente di estremo\n<krabador> nigella, sudo apt-get remove --purge libreoffice-*\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install libreoffice-avmedia-backend-gstreamer libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-common libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw libreoffice-impress libreoffice-math libreoffice-pdfimport libreoffice-style-galaxy libreoffice-writer\n<krabador> riprova a creare il file con libreoffice\n<nigella> non identico\n<nigella> appena inserisco immagine la scrittura diventa lenta, disordinata buggata ec\n<krabador> nigella, cat /proc/cpuinfo | pastebinit\n<nigella> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11272709/\n<jester-> poca ram?\n<krabador> non gliela fa\n<nigella> dite che è per quelle caratteristiche?\n<nigella> ma scusate però, 1 immagine e del testo li supportavano anche i computer di 15 anni fa, non capisco cosa sia cambiato...\n<krabador> nigella, il software non è lo stesso da 15 anni a questa parte\n<krabador> cosi' come l'hardware che viene sfruttato dallo stess o\n<nigella> un software come libreoffice o abword fa lavorare così tanto il pc?\n<krabador> nigella, versione di lubuntu?\n<jester-> cambiato che i software recenti vengono sviluppati per pc al passo coi tempi e un netbook in pratica non è un pc\n<jester-> tantè vero che con l'avvento dei tablet la produzione è cessata\n<nigella> versione suppongo l'ultima\n<krabador> nigella, lsb_release -a | pastebinit\n<nigella> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11272927/\n<krabador> nigella, il consumo di ram, nel caso di libreoffice, tende ad essere ottimizzato con il passare delle versioni\n<krabador> questa di 14.04 è ancorata all'anno scorso\n<nigella> ottimizzato nel senso che ad ogni nuova versione ne consuma di più?\n<krabador> esattamente il contrario\n<nigella> ah ok\n<krabador> solo che negli ultimi 2 anni, il kernel linux stesso è andato avanti cercando di tagliare un po' i ponti con hardware troppo vecchio\n<krabador> e di occupare un po' di piu' in proporzione\n<nigella> bè il mio notebook è del 2008 non vecchissimo\n<jester-> in elettronica corrisponde a umano sugli 80\n<nigella> se dovessi continuare a lavorare su pc per documenti e internet, mi consigliate ipad o portatile?\n<krabador> nigella, l'ipad serve a leggere la gazzetta sulla tazza del cesso\n<jester-> tablet non è pc\n<jester-> serve a mandare mail a fare foto e palle varie\n<jester-> non elabori una sega\n<nigella> ok. non sono ancora utilizzabili con i programmi base? nemmeno quelli più tosti?\n<jester-> nigella: i progammi sono le cosi dette app\n<jester-> che compri allo store\n<krabador> nigella, per lavorare ci vogliono mouse e tastiera\n<krabador> tablet vari non sono ancora pronti a tale scopo.\n<krabador> se vuoi aspettare che lo siano, aspetta pura.\n<krabador> *e\n<nigella> cmq hanno possibilità di attaccarci tastiera no?\n<jester-> altri programmi non sono installabili sul tablet è uno smartfono piu grosso che non telefona\n<jester-> nigella: basta comprarne una compatibile\n<nigella> gira qualche sistema linux su tablet?\n<krabador> nigella, c'è un mercato dei convertibili, che stanno raggiungendo le potenze dei pc di fascia medio-alta\n<jester-> nigella: escluso roba apple ci gira andriod che è un ios di apple taroccato\n<krabador> ed hanno caratteristiche da tablet\n<jester-> droido è derivato linux\n<jester-> piu o meno\n<krabador> nigella, se vuoi lavorare/lavoricchiare, ma avere qualcosa che si possa usare come un tablet, visto che ti piacciono tanto, informati su questa categoria\n<nigella> ok grazie\n<nigella> spassionatamente per me che uso il pc solo per documenti/online e musica che portatile mi consigliereste?\n<jester-> nigella: dipende dalla money che esci\n<nigella> non vorrei andare oltre i 200\n<krabador> nigella, puoii prendere allora un convertibile\n<krabador> o un notebook di fascia medio-bassa\n<krabador> ma che dissiopano male\n<nigella> ma questi convertibili sono in pratica ipad che si staccano dalla tastiera pc? l'hardware è tutto sotto l'lcd?\n<jester-> nigella: con 200 combini poco\n<jester-> nigella: dai 500 in su\n<nigella> grazie per l'aiuto buona notte\n#ubuntu-it 2015-05-22\n<akis24> giorno\n<glpiana> ola\n<Davide> Salve,\n<glpiana> !ciao | Davide\n<ubot-it> Davide: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<Davide> è da ieri che il mio netbook mi sta dando delle noie con questo segnale: \"caricamento dell'elenco pacchetti non riuscito\".\n<glpiana> Davide, apri un terminale e scrivi: sudo apt-get update\n<glpiana> !paste | Davide\n<ubot-it> Davide: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Davide> Ok faccio subito. Un altra cosa che penso sia connessa è che l'audio delle casse del portatile non emettono alcun suono e solamente quando collego le cuffie al entrata sento l'audio. Pensate derivi da l problema precedente?\n<glpiana> Davide, una cosa per volta\n<Davide> Fatto sta caricando ...\n<Davide> Ha finito\n<glpiana> Davide, copia quanto è apparso a schermo e mettilo su pastebin come ti ho scritto prima\n<Davide> Ok\n<Davide> Fatto\n<glpiana> e copia qui l'indirizzo della pagina, come c'è scritto sopra\n<Davide> http://paste.ubuntu.com/\n<glpiana> Davide, l'inidirizzo della pagina che ti è apparsa dopo che hai cliccato su \"paste\" intendo\n<Davide> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11279712/\n<Davide> Scusami, sbadataggine mia\n<glpiana> Davide, oki, il problema sta nel fatto che i repository extras per vivid non ci sono e non ne conosco il motivo. risolviamo in fretta. che versione di ubuntu hai messo sul netbook? quella con la barra a sinistra?\n<Davide> Si, l'ultima versione 15.04\n<glpiana> Davide, nel terminale scrivi: sudo software-properties-gtk\n<Davide> Fatto! Mi si è aperta la pagina degli aggiornamenti e software\n<glpiana> Davide, vai nella seconda scheda, altro software\n<Davide> Fatto\n<glpiana> Davide, lì dovresti vedere software indipendente, confermamelo\n<Davide> Si ce ne sono due: Indipendente e Indipendente (Codice Sorgente)\n<glpiana> Davide, togli la spunta ad entrambi\n<Davide> Fatto\n<glpiana> Davide, chiudi la finestra degli aggiornamenti e trona al terminale\n<Davide> Ho fatto click su \"chiudi\" e mi si è aperta una finestra che dice: \"Le informazioni sul software disponibile non sono aggiornate\"\n<Davide> Clicco \"Ricarica\" o \"Chiudi\"?\n<glpiana> Davide, chiudi. poi tornato al terminale ridai: sudo apt-get update\n<Davide> Ok sta facendo\n<Davide> Fatto\n<glpiana> Davide, stavolta è andata diversamente?\n<Davide> Si! In fondo al terminale c'è scritto: W: à consigliato eseguire \"apt-get update\" per correggere questi problemi\n<glpiana> Davide, copia di nuovo su pastebin quanto è uscito\n<Davide> OK\n<Davide> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11279838/\n<glpiana> Davide, ok, di nuovo sudo software-properties-gtk\n<Davide> Apert\n<Davide> *Aperto\n<glpiana> Davide, sempre nella seconda scheda, conta quante voci \"partner di canonical\" hai\n<Davide> 4\n<glpiana> Davide, devi averne solo due, un partner e un partner codice sorgente\n<Davide> E allora cosa faccio? Rimuovo?\n<glpiana> Davide, togli la spunta a un partner e a un partner codice sorgente\n<Davide> Fatto\n<glpiana> Davide, chiudi e torna al terminale e dai di nuovo sudo apt-get update\n<Davide> Sta caricando\n<Davide> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11279966/\n<glpiana> Davide, perfetto. ora scrivi: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in modo da aggiornare il sistema\n<Davide> Fatto, ma mi dice che: Il pacchetto linux-image-2.6.21.4-eeepc deve essere reinstallato, ma non è possibile trovarne un archivio.\n<glpiana> Davide, scrivi: uname -a e copia qui la riga che esce\n<Davide> Linux davide-1001PX 3.19.0-16-generic #16-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 30 16:13:00 UTC 2015 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux\n<glpiana> Davide, scrivi: dpkg -l | grep linux-image e copia su pastebin\n<Davide> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11280055/\n<glpiana> Davide, sudo apt-get purge linux-image-2.6.21.4-eeepc\n<Davide> E: Il pacchetto linux-image-2.6.21.4-eeepc deve essere reinstallato, ma non è possibile trovarne un archivio.\n<glpiana> Davide, prova con: sudo apt-get purge linux-image-2.6.21.4-eeepc --force-yes\n<Davide> Lo stesso messaggio: E: Il pacchetto linux-image-2.6.21.4-eeepc deve essere reinstallato, ma non è possibile trovarne un archivio.\n<glpiana> Davide, scrivi: sudo aptitude purge linux-image-2.6.21.4-eeepc\n<Davide> sudo: aptitude: command not found\n<glpiana> Davide, scrivi: sudo apt-get install aptitude\n<Davide> Stesso messaggio di prima: E: Il pacchetto linux-image-2.6.21.4-eeepc deve essere reinstallato, ma non è possibile trovarne un archivio.\n<glpiana> Davide, sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq linux-image-2.6.21.4-eeepc\n<Davide> Fatto\n<Davide> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11280271/\n<glpiana> Davide, ora: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade\n<Davide> Mi dice: Continuare? [S/n]\n<glpiana> Davide, copiami su pastebin quanto precede la domanda\n<Davide> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11280305/\n<glpiana> Davide, premi pure invio per farlo proseguire\n<Davide> Ok sta preseguendo\n<Davide> Sta estraendo in questo momento\n<glpiana> ok\n<Davide> Finito\n<glpiana> Davide, bene, scrivi: sudo dpkg --configure -a\n<glpiana> Davide, se non da nessun output riavvia il pc\n<Davide> Niente, quindi riavvio?\n<glpiana> sì, riavvia\n<Davide> Ok, grazie mille della sua disponibilità e gentilezza!\n<glpiana> :)\n<ancoraNewbie> Buongiorno\n<ancoraNewbie> se configuro il proxy di sistema lo prende automaticamente apt-get?\n<dadexix86> ancoraNewbie, dipende da come/dove lo configuri...\n<Davide> Salve, ho un problema con il mio neetbook con software installato 15.04: l'audio della cuffie si sente, ma quello delle casse interne del pc no. Come posso risolvere? Grazie.\n<dadexix86> ancoraNewbie, guarda l'help di apt-get https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto#Setting_up_apt-get_to_use_a_http-proxy\n<glpiana> Davide, hai già provato a mettere mano alle impostazioni audio cui accedi dall'icona del volume?\n<Davide> Si, ho seguito la guida di ubunto e non è un problema di impostazioni\n<Davide> Il volume è al massimo e infatti quando inserisco le cuffie si sente, ma quando le stacco non c'è più alcun suono\n<glpiana> Davide, il tuo pc ha anche l'uscita hdmi?\n<jester-> 'ngiorno\n<Davide> No\n<glpiana> Davide, in un terminale scrivi: lspci | grep -i audio e copia qui la riga che esce\n<Davide> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11281015/\n<glpiana> Davide, metti su pastebin l'output di: lsmod\n<Davide> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11281029/\n<ancoraNewbie> dadexix86 grazie\n<dadexix86> ancoraNewbie, prego\n<ancoraNewbie> mi sa che devo riavviare la sessione dell'utente\n<dadexix86> ancoraNewbie, una volta che hai configurato in .bashrc basta che lo ricarichi\n<ancoraNewbie> per ora tengo da parte la guida che mi hai linkato perchè ho fatto già qualcosa di simile.\n<ancoraNewbie> Non ho agito solo sulla sessione\n<ancoraNewbie> ma ho lanciato\n<ancoraNewbie> sudo gedit /etc/apt/apt.conf\n<ancoraNewbie> e ho aggiunto gli acquired\n<ancoraNewbie> solo che\n<ancoraNewbie> quando faccio env | grep proxy\n<ancoraNewbie> ho 2 http_proxy=\n<glpiana> Davide, nel terminale scrivi: alsamixer\n<glpiana> Davide, poi premi F6 e dimmi cosa appare nella finestrella\n<ancoraNewbie> come faccio logout da shell?\n<dadexix86> ancoraNewbie, quel file lo configura solo per apt-get, è normale che tutte le altre applicazioni non vedano nulla :)\n<ancoraNewbie> ok\n<dadexix86> per ricaricare .bashrc ti basta dare . ~/.bashrc\n<ancoraNewbie> difatti l'ho impostato da System settings col wizard\n<Davide> Esce fuori la Scheda Audio con 3 opzioni: (predefinita) - HDA Intel - Inserisci il nome del device\n<dadexix86> ancoraNewbie, non conosco questo wizard di cui parli, ma se parli delle configurazioni di Gnome o Unity non vedo perché le applicazioni che lanci da terminale dovrebbero conoscerne l'esistenza :)\n<glpiana> Davide, allora nulla. premi esc per uscirne\n<Davide> Ok\n<Davide> Allora cosa faccio?\n<glpiana> Davide, scrivi nel terminale: pavucontrol\n<Davide> Non è installato\n<glpiana> Davide, installalo con sudo apt-get install pavucontrol\n<Davide> Fatto già . Aperto ora\n<glpiana> Davide, nella scheda \"uscite\" cosa vedi?\n<Davide> Audio interno Stereo analogico con tre barre sulla destra: una con il disegno del volume, un'altra con il disegno del lucchetto e l'ultima con una spunta cerchiata in verde\n<Davide> Sotto due linee che indicano i volumi della cassa di sinistra e di destra regolati circa a metà del loro spazio\n<Davide> Poi ancora sotto un'altra barra vuota con sotto scritto \"Advanced\"\n<glpiana> Davide, nella scheda \"configurazione\" vedi qualcosa?\n<Davide> Poi ancora sotto c'è scritto \"Mostra\" e di fianco una barra selezionastrice con inserito \"All Output Device\"\n<Davide> C'è scritto \"Duplex stereo analogico\"\n<glpiana> Davide, dovrebbe essere un menu da cui puoi scegliere diverse voci, giusto?\n<Davide> Si\n<glpiana> Davide, che altre voci ci sono?\n<Davide> - Stereo analogico output\n<Davide> - Stereo analogico input\n<Davide> - Spento\n<glpiana> niente, torna alla scheda \"uscite\" e se puoi prendi una schermata\n<glpiana> !image | Davide\n<ubot-it> Davide: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<glpiana> torno tra 10 minuti\n<Davide> Io tra poco devo andare perché sono viaggio questo pomeriggio\n<Davide> http://imageshack.com/a/img540/5420/MOYD3z.png\n<Davide> Scusa ma devo andare ... proverò a vedere se riesco a risolverlo in qualche modo, sennò vi ricontatterò. Grazie lo stesso e buona giornata\n<evan__> Salve, ho un problema con audio HDMI non vedo il dispositivo dando \"aplay -l\" e neanche nel controllo volume nella sezione \"Uscite\" mi potete aiutare? grazie\n<jester-> evan__: scheda video?\n<evan__> GeForce 840M con driver NVIDIA 346.59\n<evan__> Riesco a inviare il segnale video al televisore ma l'audio no, sembra che non esiste nessuna uscita audio hdmi\n<evan__> ho Xubuntu 15.04 64bit\n<jester-> evan__: sicuro che hai installato il nvidia?\n<jester-> evan__: la tv è impostata di comseguenza?\n<evan__> il driver nvidia è installato e funzionante\n<evan__> cosa devo impostare nella tv?\n<jester-> evan__: di prendere dal pc\n<jester-> controlla le impostazioni audio della tv\n<evan__> ok ma nel PC non trovo nessun dispositivo di uscita audio HDMI\n<jester-> evan__: se la tv non riceve il device non va up\n<jester-> evan__: controlla anche con nvidia-settings\n<ExPBoy> evan__, scusa ma il pc ha l'uscita HDMI?\n<evan__> il PC è collegato attualmente alla TV con il cavo HDMI e vedo il desktop\n<jester-> evan__: hai guardato le impostazioni audio della tv?\n<evan__> sto guardando ma non trovo nulla relativo alla sorgente audio, solo effetti di equalizzazione\n<jester-> terminale --> nividia-settings\n<evan__> in nvidia-settings non vedo nulla relativo all'audio\n<ExPBoy> e nelle impostazioni audio che vedi?\n<jester-> evan__: installa pavucontrol e controlla le uscite\n<evan__> vedo nel tab \"uscite\" le voci Altoparlanti e Cuffie\n<ExPBoy> eh\n<evan__> jester-, è gia installato\n<ExPBoy> allora non hai uscite audio HDMI\n<jester-> cambia driver invidia metti il 331 se c'è\n<evan__> la mia scheda video è supportata solo dal 340 in su\n<evan__> :(\n<jester-> la 840 è vecchiotta assai\n<evan__> il 331 non funziona con la 840\n<evan__> gia provato\n<ExPBoy> prendi audio out del pc e collegala (se possibile) all'entrata audio della tv\n<evan__> uff sempre problemi :(\n<jester-> no problemi che linux sarebbe\n<jester-> evan__: provato il 340?\n<evan__> non ancora\n<jester-> prova\n<evan__> nella scheda \"Driver proprietari\" vedo la versione 340.76 da nvidia e da nvidia-updates che cambia? quale scelgo?\n<jester-> evan__: sudo apt-get install nvidia-340-updates-uvm\n<evan__> prima tolgo quelli vecchi si?\n<jester-> evan__: fa da solo\n<jester-> almeno ovrebbe\n<jester-> evan__: o abilita il 340.76\n<evan__> ok provo\n<evan__> scusa si era disconnesso\n<evan__> dicevi?\n<jester-> evan__: abilita il 340.76\n<evan__> ok ne ho 2\n<jester-> il normale\n<evan__> entrambi 340.76\n<jester-> non update\n<evan__> ok\n<solo1> avrei un problema con ubuntu server grub e raid1.\n<jester-> aaaahiaaa\n<ExPBoy> :)\n<jester-> solo1: prova a descrivere il problema\n<ExPBoy> e ma sono 3 i problemi se non ho capito male\n<solo1> Da controller creo il Raid1 rif. nome VolumeRaid. Raid ok bootable ( 2 hd rilevati in raid ). Parte ubuntu mi vede solo 250gb ( alias 1 solo degli hd manco in raid ).\n<jester-> solo remix_tj ti potrebbe assistere\n<jester-> solo1: hai installato come raid?\n<solo1> cosa significa hai installato come raid ?\n<jester-> solo1: mi pare che un fase installazione permetta di installare come raid e comunque leggo qui ogni tanto che usano partman\n<jester-> solo1: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/partman-auto-raid\n<jester-> solo1: i 3 hd sono gemelli?\n<solo1> si\n<evan__> jester-, riavvio e ti dico se cambia qualcosa\n<solo1> non riesco a partizionarlo manualmente. intendo dire visto che il grub non puo' essere presente in mirror ... non potendo partizionarlo in quando mi rileva solo 1 hd ( 2 in raid1) mi domando esiste una soluzione ?\n<jester-> solo1: se non sbaglio raid 1 prevede solo 2 dischi. per 3 serve il 5\n<jester-> mi pare, non vorei dire cazzate\n<evan__> jester-, non cambia nulla con i 340 cmq non vorrei dire una cazzata ma puo essere che l'audio hdmi esce con Intel?\n<evan__> con lspci mi da questo: 00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT HD Audio Controller (rev 0b)\n<evan__> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 8 Series HD Audio Controller (rev 04)\n<evan__> non vedo Device audio relativi a nvidia\n<jester-> evan__: hai doppia scheda?\n<jester-> evan__: lspci e incolla nel pastebin\n<jester-> !paste | evan__\n<ubot-it> evan__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<evan__> si la scheda è mista intel+nvidia\n<evan__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11283543/\n<jester-> evan__: quindi se usa la intel è logico che hdmi non va\n<jester-> evan__: e non ti so dire come disabiltare la intel\n<evan__> non sto usando la intel\n<jester-> è automatica la cosa, invidia interviene quando si fa pesante\n<evan__> nel pannello Nvidia posso scegliere la scheda da usare, nvidia o intel\n<evan__> no\n<evan__> quello avviene su windows\n<jester-> evan__: hai fatto creare xor.conf al settings?\n<jester-> evan__: pure in winz si puo scegliere se non scegli fa da solo\n<evan__> con questi driver non puoi\n<evan__> o usi uno o l'altro\n<jester-> evan__: il pannello invidia in pratica è nvidia-settings\n<evan__> si chiama nvidia prime il meccanismo... non ti fa usare entrambe le schede ma solo una\n<jester-> evan__: dalla 14.10 è automatico\n<evan__> ti faccio uno screenshot?\n<jester-> evan__: logico solo una\n<jester-> ma fa lo switch da solo se serve\n<evan__> no\n<jester-> la intel per usi normali\n<jester-> evan__: va bè visto che sai tu tu fai\n<evan__> allora se scelgo intel la scheda nvidia viene spenta\n<evan__> se scelgo nvidia non usa la intel\n<evan__> questo è quello che ho potuto verificare pero' magari mi sbaglio?\n<jester-> evan__: dove cacchio scegli\n<evan__> nel pannello Nvidia ho \"PRIME Profiles\"\n<jester-> in pratica è il driver nividia che usa hdmi\n<jester-> se il device non c'è i casi sono 2: o invidia non è in uso o il driver è buggato\n<evan__> guarda questa immagine: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zA15_dLijmY/UqdrSwbzJ1I/AAAAAAABP_w/7d8d_xwCscc/s1600/nvidia-prime-profiles.jpg\n<evan__> è simile a quello che vedo io\n<jester-> evan__: lsmod | grep nviia\n<jester-> evan__: lsmod | grep nvidia\n<evan__> evan@HP:~$ lsmod | grep nvidia\n<evan__> nvidia 10559488 35\n<evan__> drm 344064 9 i915,i915_bpo,drm_kms_helper,nvidia\n<jester-> evan__: boh in teoria dovrebbe andare\n<evan__> :(\n<w8eub14> ho un hd da 500gb sata per inserire w8.1 e ubuntu 15 quale e' la procedura per installare i due sistemi operativi visto che hanno diverse configurazioni\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, li vuoi installare in dual boot?\n<w8eub14> si\n<w8eub14> premo f8 e scelgo cosa caricare\n<cristian_c> uhm\n<cristian_c> ma quello è il bootloader di windows\n<w8eub14> l'idea e questa\n<cristian_c> !installazione | w8eub14\n<ubot-it> w8eub14: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, ma hai provato ubuntu in live su quel pc?\n<w8eub14> di solito faccio cois perche' con ubuntu 15 cambia ?\n<w8eub14> si un po' lento ma ok funziona\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, di solito cosa fai?\n<w8eub14> inserisco il dvd e come parte va in modalita live\n<w8eub14> pero' sarei interessato ad averlo in hd\n<cristian_c> <w8eub14> di solito faccio cois perche' con ubuntu 15 cambia ?\n<cristian_c> intendevo questo\n<w8eub14> quindi non si puo' fare immagino ?\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, è una domanda\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, di solito cosa fai?\n<w8eub14> te l'ho scritto l'ho provato in live\n<w8eub14> con la iso\n<w8eub14> tutto qua\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, mi riferisco a quanto hai scritto prima, non alla live\n<cristian_c> il fatto della live è chiaro\n<w8eub14> beh' premo f8 sulla tastiera e scelgo cosa far partire perche' ho w7 e w8\n<cristian_c> ok\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, beh, in quel caso utilizzi il bootloader di windows\n<w8eub14> ore vorrei formattare un hd da 500\n<w8eub14> si\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, se installi ubuntu, verrà installato anche il grub\n<w8eub14> specificando grub\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, e scritto nella guida wiki\n<w8eub14> ok non l'ho ancora vista la guida magari gli do una letta\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, beh togli il 'magari'\n<cristian_c> visto che è fatta apposta :P\n<w8eub14> pensavo fosse un po' come partizionare w8 in un hd l'idea era questa\n<w8eub14> ok e' in italiano ?\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, se non sai come fare le cose, il wiki è la risposta nella maggior parte dei casi\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, apri la pagina e vedrai\n<w8eub14> ok il link di prima immagino\n<cristian_c> esatto\n<w8eub14> vado\n<w8eub14> ho dato una letta veloce non mi pare cosi difficile credo no ?\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, generalmente no\n<w8eub14> se imposto una partizione da 250 gb e installo pulito prima ubuntu 15 poi formatto e inserisrco negli altri 250 ntfs w8.1 che3 dici\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, in caso di dubbi, chiedi pure qui\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, perché formattare?\n<Davide> Ritorno con il mio problema: l'audio della casse del mio pc non mi danno alcun suono: ho solo la possiiblità di collegare le cuffie per sentire l'audio\n<cristian_c> nel senso, puoi creare subito le partizioni\n<w8eub14> cosa ne pensi do priorita a ubuntu 15 che mi e' di primo interesse poi partiziono co gp altri 250 ma in ntfs\n<cristian_c> Davide, l'avevi risolto in passato?\n<cristian_c> gp?\n<Davide> No, avevo scritto stamattina, ma dopo sono dovuto andare via per motivi di viaggio\n<w8eub14> mmmm non so se si puo' g parted\n<w8eub14> gp sta per gparted\n<Davide> è già da qualche giorno che mi da questo problema\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, se il disco è vuoto, puoi farlo\n<cristian_c> Davide, qualche giorno fa funzionava perfettamente?\n<Davide> Si\n<w8eub14> si e' vuoto non c'e' nulla formattato basso livello pero' poi posso dare boot come da windows premendo f8 lo accetta ?\n<cristian_c> Davide, si è verificato qualche evento in questi giorni?\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, ti ho spiegato che se installi ubuntu, verrà installato grub\n<cristian_c> e ci penserà grub a gestire la scelta\n<Davide> Ho avuto dei problemi con gli aggiornamenti software, ma li ho risolti stamattina. Pensavo potessere essere quello, ma alla fine il problema non si è risolto\n<cristian_c> Davide, come li hai risolti?\n<w8eub14> a ok cioe grub e' una sorta di menu che mi dice cosa voglio caricare\n<cristian_c> !grub | w8eub14\n<ubot-it> w8eub14: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<Davide> Tramite questa chat, seguendo le istruzione a me date\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, primo link\n<Davide> era rimasto a questo punto: https://imageshack.us/i/f0MOYD3zp\n<cristian_c> Davide, considera che non posso sapere cosa ti hanno detto\n<cristian_c> *posso non sapere\n<Davide> Ok lui mi aveva fatto fare dei procedimenti tramite terminale e le cose alla fine si sono risolte. Prima non potevo ne aggiornare, ne scaricare dallo Store, ma adesso tutto funziona regolarmente\n<cristian_c> Davide, eh, vorrei capire cos'hai fatto\n<w8eub14> ok ci puo' satre riporta esempio di ubuntu e windo vista ma cambia poco\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, sì, è un menu di scelta\n<cristian_c> diciamo: appare un men\n<cristian_c> *un menù di scelta\n<w8eub14> sai quale e' il piccolo intoppo e' che se metto prima w8 poi con ubuntu vedo che occorrono piu' piccole partizioni ...ad occhio e croce e la cos ami risulta poco pratica magari faccio qualche errore\n<Davide> Non saprei descriverlo nei particolari ... So che ho aperto il terminale e lui mi ha dato dei codici da inserirvi e alla fine si è sistemato tutto\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, in gparted?\n<w8eub14> invece mi sistemo ubuntu che e' quello piu' farragginoso e poi w8 che so coem mi devo muovere nella partizione\n<cristian_c> Davide, forse non si è sistemato\n<Davide> Ma il problema è che non mi va l'audio delle casse del pc ora ... Cosa devo fare?\n<cristian_c> Davide, ma almeno hai capito qual era il problema?\n<cristian_c> Davide, intendo con gli aggiornamenti\n<w8eub14> si con gparted mi muovo con disinvoltura se pero' non devo creare partizioni particolari\n<w8eub14> dando una letta alla guida mi pare siano 3\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, quali partizioni particolari devi creare?\n<Davide> Non si scaricavano i pacchetti\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, è per praticità \n<cristian_c> che si creano tre partizioni ad hoc\n<cristian_c> Davide, sì, ma sai perché 'non si scaricavano i pacchetti'?\n<w8eub14> leggo una di swap e una da ha e alrti 2gb per non so cosa\n<w8eub14> in w8 non c'e' li fa tutto lui\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, puol esprimerti più chiaramente?\n<cristian_c> 'da ha'\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, scusa, a quale esempio del wiki fai riferiimento?\n<w8eub14> si ok nell'esempio riportato nella guida si vedono chiaramente piu ' partizioni o device il che mi lascia pensare che non sia come per ambiente windows tutto qua a meno che non stia interpretando male la procedura\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, mi puoi indicare l'esempio che citi (ce ne sono vari)?\n<w8eub14> punto 3 altro\n<w8eub14> noto piu' partizioni device\n<cristian_c> ok\n<w8eub14> pero' alla fine va bene cosi\n<cristian_c> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Standard?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=situazione_finale.png\n<cristian_c> questa?\n<w8eub14> esattamente\n<cristian_c> io non vedo tante partizioni particolari\n<cristian_c> solo la swap è particolare\n<cristian_c> e le partizioni oltre alla ntfs, in questa schermata sono due soltanto\n<w8eub14> si sai non conoscendo come fare magari ho difficolta\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, se ti serve una swap, la crei, molto semplicemente\n<cristian_c> se vuoi una home separata dalla partizione di sistema, la crei\n<cristian_c> non vedo altre 'stranezze'\n<cristian_c> poi se c'è uefi, allora il discorso si complica leggermente, se non c'è una partizione efi\n<w8eub14> ossia una home separata dalal partizione che vantaggio ha ?\n<cristian_c> che ne richiede la creazione in modalità uefi\n<w8eub14> si ne ho sentito parlare\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, la home è la tua directory personale\n<w8eub14> ok\n<cristian_c> con i file dell'utente, dell'account di sistema creato\n<w8eub14> ti seguo\n<cristian_c> il vantaggio è che puoi reinstallare il sistema (da leggersi ricreare la partizone di sistema) senza perdere i dati utente\n<cristian_c> *partizione\n<cristian_c> o almeno uno dei possibili vantaggi\n<w8eub14> beh allora e' vantaggioso ma scusa non c'e' la procedura di reinstallo da iso se qualcosa va storto ?\n<cristian_c> da iso?\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, io parlavo dei dati utente, del tuo account\n<w8eub14> a ok\n<w8eub14> pensavo sistema\n<w8eub14> beh male male non e' che sia molto bravo ma se seguo la guida passo passo un tentativo\n<w8eub14> ok allora procedo speriamo fili tutto ok\n<cristian_c> w8eub14, come detto prima, se hai altri dubbi sulla guida, puoi scrivere qua\n<w8eub14> andata a presto\n<solo1> qualcuno per risolvere un problema con un raid1 ubuntuserver e cgrub ?\n<Innerina> Io ho problemi con la stampante pixma mp450, qualcuno mi dà una mano?\n<Innerina> Mi dà questo errore sulle proprietà : Si è verificato un problema nel connettersi al server CUPS\n<cristian_c> !qualcuno | solo1\n<ubot-it> solo1: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<cristian_c> !qualcuno | Innerina\n<ubot-it> Innerina: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<Innerina> Mi dà questo errore sulle proprietà della stampante pixma mp450: Si è verificato un problema nel connettersi al server CUPS\n<solo1> risolvere un problema con un raid1 ubuntuserver e cgrub ? - qualcuno per\n<Innerina> quindi deduco che manchino i driver\n<cristian_c> Innerina, contestualizza il tutto\n<Innerina> ah sto da ubuntu mate su fisso\n<cristian_c> 1) è la prima volta che la installi su ubuntu?\n<cristian_c> !chiedi | solo1\n<ubot-it> solo1: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<Innerina> sì la prima volta\n<cristian_c> Innerina, 2) ubuntu mate 15.04?\n<Innerina> la riconosce, la vede e stampa il test ma non mi fa vedere le proprietà , insomma manca la gestionalità \n<Innerina> sì\n<cristian_c> se stampa i driver ci sono\n<Innerina> ok, allora come mai su proprietà mi dà : Si è verificato un problema nel connettersi al server CUPS?\n<cristian_c> Innerina, non lo so, controlla i log di cups\n<Innerina> dove li trovo?\n<cristian_c> Innerina, /var/log/cups\n<Innerina> grazie, controllo\n<Innerina> Boh, sembra tutto a posto...\n<cristian_c> uhm\n<cristian_c> Innerina, puoi postare uno screenshot?\n<Innerina> ci sono diversi file log\n<Innerina> quello error non c'é niente\n<cristian_c> Innerina, Intendo la schermata di errore\n<Innerina> Ah ok\n<Innerina> Fatto, ma dove te la sendo?\n<cristian_c> !image\n<ubot-it> Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<Innerina> Ho il pc un pò lento e dovrei andare... risolverò questo problema appena possibile...\n<pingui> Buonasera a tutti\n<krabador> !ciao | pingui\n<ubot-it> pingui: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<pingui> grazie, ho un problema il mio portatile (datato e con su installato da zero lubuntu) non mi vede la scheda di rete wifi\n<pingui> (ora sono connesso con il cao di rete)\n<krabador> pingui, apri il terminale\n<pingui> fatto\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> sudo lshw -C network | pastebinit\n<krabador> il secondo restituisce un indirizzo web, incollalo qui\n<pingui> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11287597/\n<pingui> (figo come cosa(\n<krabador> pingui, iwconfig | pastebinit\n<krabador> pingui, lspci -nn -d 14e4: | pastebinit\n<pingui> il primo mi dice che non posso mandare una cosa vuota\n<krabador> l'altro ?\n<pingui> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11287653/\n<krabador> pingui, lsb_release -a | pastebinit\n<pingui> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11287678/\n<krabador> pingui, sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer\n<krabador> riavvia\n<krabador> pingui, sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer | pastebinit\n<pingui> Cursore bianco....stara' lavorando?\n<pingui> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11287711/\n<pingui> riavvio?\n<krabador> pingui, ok, riavvia\n<krabador> torna qui\n<krabador> poi\n<pingui> oki thanks nel mentre\n<pingui> eccomi\n<pingui> non c' e' ancora\n<krabador> pingui, sudo modprobe -r b43\n<krabador> sudo modprobe b43\n<krabador> sudo rfkill unblock all | pastebinit\n<pingui> il primo ok...il secondo mi dice documento vuoto\n<krabador> il secondo non deve dare output\n<krabador> solo del terzo , serve il pastebin\n<beppapig> ciao\n<krabador> che ti ho appunto segnato\n<pingui> si scusa del terzo\n<pingui> il primo e il secondo nessun output\n<pingui> il terzo mi dice che non posso inviare un documento vuoto\n<krabador> pingui, nm-applet\n<krabador> vedi che dice\n<pingui> Trova un errore nel cercare un bus address di accessibilita' e poi fallisce nel registrare l'agente perche' c'e' gia' una registrazione per questo utente\n<krabador> pingui, guarda nel task in basso a destra, in lubuntu, della gestione delle reti\n<krabador> tasto destro\n<krabador> vedi che dice\n<pingui> C' e la wired\n<pingui> ma non la wireless\n<krabador> pingui, rfkill list | pastebinit\n<krabador> pingui, sudo lshw -C network | pastebinit di nuovo\n<krabador> iwconfig | pastebinit\n<pingui> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11287920/\n<krabador> pingui, il primo ?\n<krabador> te lo sei mangiato?\n<pingui> E' vuoto\n<pingui> il terzo arriva\n<pingui> vuoto anche il terzo\n<krabador> pingui, lsmod | pastebinit\n<pingui> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11288015/\n<krabador> sudo modprobe -r b43\n<krabador> sudo modprobe b43\n<krabador> riavvia\n<pingui> io?\n<krabador> con chi sto parlando ?\n<pingui> oki sorry\n<pingui> Continua a non apparire\n<pingui> (rieccomi)\n<krabador> dpkg -l | grep bcmwl | pastebinit\n<pingui> Documento vuoto\n<krabador> pingui, sudo apt-get remove purge firmware-b43-installer b43-fwcutter\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source\n<krabador> riavvia\n<pingui> Dice che non trova il pacchetto purge\n<krabador> pingui, scusa\n<krabador> pingui, sudo apt-get remove --purge firmware-b43-installer b43-fwcutter\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source\n<pingui> Ok sta installando 63 mega di roba\n<pingui> dopo aver rimosso con il primo comando\n<pingui> Poi una volta finito, se ti va e vuoi, mi spieghi come mai non andava?\n<krabador> vediamo prima se va\n<pingui> Allora mentre installava i 64 mega si e' freezato tutto\n<pingui> ho aspettato un 5 minuti\n<pingui> poi ho spento con il pulsante di accensione e l'ho riacceso\n<pingui> ora eccomi qua\n<pingui> non compare ancora il wi-fi\n<krabador> dpkg -l | grep firmware | pastebinit\n<krabador> dpkg -l | grep bcmwl | pastebinit\n<pingui> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11288453/\n<pingui> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11288481/\n<krabador> pingui, sudo apt-get install --reinstall bcmwl-kernel-source\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree\n<pingui> Ho dato il primo comando ha fatto un po' di cose\n<pingui> ma ora sembra fermo su DKMS: install completed.\n<pingui> che faccio?\n<cristian_c> pingui, aspetta la fine dell'esecuzione\n<pingui> Ciao cristian_c io aspetto...ma e' da quasi 10 minuti con cursore bianco sulla riga sotto...e' normale?\n<cristian_c> lol\n<cristian_c> <krabador> pingui, sudo apt-get install --reinstall bcmwl-kernel-source\n<cristian_c> questo?\n<pingui> yes\n<pingui> Ciao krabador sono felice che tu sia rientrato\n<krabador> pingui, dato entrambi i comandi?\n<pingui> solo il primo pero' e' fermo su DKMS: install completed\n<pingui> e sotto ha un cursore bianco\n<pingui> ?\n<krabador> s'è sbloccato?\n<pingui> sembrerebbe di si'\n<krabador> manda l'altro\n<krabador> con pastebinit\n<pingui> ma non credo di poter digitare\n<krabador> è tornato al terminale\n<krabador> ?\n<pingui> nu\n<pingui> cursore bianco ma non ho il \"prompt\"\n<pingui> credo che torni al prompt se pigio CTRL-C\n<krabador> pingui, ci deve tornare da solo\n<pingui> ok\n<pingui> e' li' da 20 minuti non saprei\n<pingui> che faccio? aspetto ancora?\n<pingui> Continua a non tornare al prompt\n<krabador> ctrl-c\n<jester-> sera\n<pingui> Non fa niente con ctrl-c\n<krabador> pingui, fa uno screenshot\n<krabador> !image | pingui\n<ubot-it> pingui: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<pingui> Ehmmm pigiando prt sc non mi fa copia lo schermo negli appunti\n<pingui> come faccio a fare lo screenshot?\n<krabador> pingui, controlla in home\n<krabador> e in /home/utente/Immagini\n<pingui> http://imgur.com/f7Qk5XG\n<pingui> Scusa per il ritardo con cui l'ho caricata ma ho dovuto disattivare un allarme dell'edificio in cui sono prima che mi arrivi qua la pula e mi blindi :-)\n<krabador> innanzitutto è consigliabile che tu faccia copia ed incolla dei comandi che ti vengono suggeriti\n<pingui> Ho fatto\n<krabador> se ctrl c non ha riportato il terminale, all'host\n<krabador> ctrl shift t\n<krabador> vedi se di apre un'altra tab di terminale\n<pingui> yep\n<pingui> l'ha aperta\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree | pastebinit\n<pingui> Dice che non e' possibile acquisire il blocco sulla directory di amministrazione /var/lib/dpkg\n<pingui> un altro processo potrebbe tenerla occupata\n<pingui> ed e' spuntata fuori una finetra\n<krabador> pingui, torna nella tab congelata , rimanda ctrl c\n<pingui> non lo prende\n<krabador> torna nella tab che hai aperto\n<pingui> la finestra che e' saltata fuori dice che si e' verificato un problema a un programma di sistema\n<pingui> segnalare il problema adesso?\n<krabador> sudo reboot\n<pingui> ok torno tra un attimo\n<pingui> Eccomi\n<pingui> Al riavvio si era bloccato sulla schermata di lubuntu\n<pingui> ho dovuto spegnere dal pulsante per farlo ripartire un' altra volta\n<pingui> ma ora sono entrato\n<krabador> pingui, sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree | pastebinit\n<krabador> riavvio router\n<krabador> per me intendo\n<pingui> dpkg e' stato interrotto e' necessario eseguire sudo dpkg --configure -a per correggere il problema\n<pingui> dpkg e' stato interrotto e' necessario eseguire sudo dpkg --configure -a per correggere il problema\n<krabador> pingui, sudo dpkg --configure -a | pastebinit\n<pingui> lanciato\n<pingui> E li fermo con il cursore bianco come prima\n<pingui> E un comando lungo da eseguire?\n<pingui> ?\n<pingui> Che faccio? attendo?\n<krabador> aspetta un attimo\n<pingui> oki\n<matteo> come faccio a cambiare i cursori del mouse?\n<Guest21865> http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?t=445501\n<pingui> sono passati gia' 5 minuti e' normale?\n<krabador> pingui, ctrl c\n<krabador> sudo dpkg --configure -a\n<krabador> e fa il pastebin a mano\n<krabador> !pastebin | pingui\n<ubot-it> pingui: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<pingui> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11289501/\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, il topic linkato non è valido?\n<pingui> E' ancora fermo le'\n<Guest21865> si, ma non so cosa devo fare.\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, unity, kde?\n<Guest21865> su ubuntu\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, apri l'ubuntu control center\n<Guest21865> ubuntu software center?\n<cristian_c> no\n<pingui> ?\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, non so cosa è ubuntu control center\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, anzi, unity control center\n<cristian_c> !info unity-control-center\n<ubot-it> unity-control-center (source: unity-control-center): utilities to configure the GNOME desktop. In component main, is optional. Version 14.04.3+14.04.20140604-0ubuntu1 (trusty), package size 703 kB, installed size 4064 kB\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, come faccio ad aprirlo?\n<krabador> pingui, ctrl c\n<krabador> vedi se si sblocca\n<Guest21865> !pastebin\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11289622/\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, cercalo nella dash\n<pingui> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11289634/\n<pingui> Il CTRL+C me l'ha preso questo il risultato\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, non lo trovo.\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, cos'hai digitato?\n<krabador> pingui, sudo dpkg --remove bcmwl-kernel-source\n<Guest21865> unity-control-center\n<krabador> pingui, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade\n<pingui> il primo ok\n<pingui> il secondo sta scaricando una tonnellata di roba\n<krabador> pingui, fallo fare\n<krabador> quando ha finito riavvia\n<pingui> ok\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, il gestore del mouse?\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, digita ubuntu control center\n<cristian_c> senza trattini\n<cristian_c> scusa\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, unity control center\n<cristian_c> oppure solamente control center\n<Guest21865> ok poi?\n<cristian_c> cosa esce?\n<cristian_c> hai aperto il control center?\n<Guest21865> si apre la gestione.\n<Guest21865> mouse e tochpad, audio, colore, dettagli etc.\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, apri Aspetto\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, aperto.\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, mmm, pare che il control center non basti\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, devi farlo da unity tweak tool\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, installa unity-tweak-tool, lo apri e poi vai in Cursor\n<cristian_c> e selezioni il tema tra quelli disponibili\n<pingui> rieccomi\n<krabador> pingui, sudo apt-get -y install linux-firmware-nonfree | pastebinit\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, sto provando a cambiare la riga, ma non cambiano i cursori!!!\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, beh\n<pingui> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11289979/\n<Guest21865> o meglio cambia solo su mozilla!!!!!!\n<krabador> pingui, sudo apt-get autoremove | pastebinit\n<krabador> pingui, riavvia, non ti seccare\n<pingui> No problemo\n<pingui> aspetto che finisca\n<pingui> e riavvio\n<pingui> E' li' fermo....normale?\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, digita: gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface cursor-theme\n<cristian_c> <Guest21865> o meglio cambia solo su mozilla!!!!!! <--- mmmm\n<Guest21865> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11290031/\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, è quello che hai selezionato?\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, si da tweak\n<pingui> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11290039/\n<krabador> pingui, riavvia\n<pingui> ok\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, hai provato con varie applicazioni?\n<Guest21865> si funziona solo con mozilla firefox\n<pingui> Eccomi\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, dove è la cartella con i cursori?\n<krabador> pingui, software-properties-gtk , da terminale, controlla l'ultima tab a destra\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, mi pare /usr/share/icons\n<cristian_c> oppure nella home in ~/.icons\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, con quali applicazioni hai provato?\n<pingui> messaggino di errore nel terminale\n<pingui> ha caricato una finestra\n<krabador> ovvero?\n<pingui> e nella tab a destra\n<D3M0> ciao a tutti\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, come faccio a incollare dentro i cursori. credo che sia una cartella bloccata o protetta.\n<pingui> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11290108/\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, ma appare nella lista dei cursori in tweak tool?\n<Guest21865> cristian_c,\n<Guest21865> e pensodi no perchè non li ho ancora incollati dentro.\n<Guest21865> perchè protetta come cartella.\n<pingui> Dice Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/G Wireless LAN controller\n<cristian_c> <cristian_c> Guest21865, è quello che hai selezionato?\n<cristian_c> <Guest21865> cristian_c, si da tweak\n<cristian_c> ...\n<pingui> This device is not working\n<pingui> e sotto due radio button\n<pingui> la prima\n<krabador> beh,il primo è ignorabile\n<krabador> pingui, manda screen del secondo\n<pingui> (non selezionata)\n<pingui> ah ok\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, intendevo dire che quello che mi hai fatt ocontrollare è quello che effettivamente era selelzionato, non quello che volevo io.\n<cristian_c> lol\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, eh, ma dillo prima che non c'è nella lsita\n<cristian_c> *lista\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, se non lo installi, come fai a selezionarlo?\n<Guest21865> ok.\n<Guest21865> come faccio a metterlo nella cartella protetta?\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, mettilo nella cartella .icons\n<pingui> http://imgur.com/6GTZMqF\n<Guest21865> cristian_c,\n<Guest21865> è protetta non riesco a incollarci niente!\n<Guest21865> non so come fare.\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, ls -al ~\n<cristian_c> !paste | Guest21865\n<ubot-it> Guest21865: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11290167/\n<krabador> pingui, clicca in \"usa sorgenti del driver wireless ...\"\n<krabador> e lascia fare\n<pingui> sta pensando\n<pingui> o meglio\n<pingui> riflettendo\n<pingui> e cercando di capire se e' il caso di darmela/darcela vinta...\n<pingui> :-D\n<krabador> heheeh\n<pingui> magari si muove a pieta'\n<pingui> o forse dice....\n<krabador> \"questa wireless non s'ha da fare, ne' domani, ne' mai\"\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, non c'è neanche una cartella .icons nella home\n<Guest21865> sono in usr/share/ icons\n<cristian_c> intendevo la cartella nella home\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, crea la cartella .icons nella tua home\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, il tuo tema in che formato è stato scaricato?\n<pingui2> krabador\n<pingui2> sono pingui da un'altro pc\n<krabador> che cosa è successo all'altro ?\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, tar.gz\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, creato .icons\n<pingui2> è quasi arrivato alla fine e tutti i comandi (tastiera e mouse compresi) si sono freezati\n<pingui2> la ventola gira ma non posso fare niente\n<pingui2> che faccio§?\n<krabador> pingui2, spegni forzatamente\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, se apri .tar.gz, che cosa vedi?\n<krabador> pingui2, riaccendi\n<pingui2> sta facendo\n<krabador> pingui2, ricarica il sistema\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, una cartella\n<pingui2> oki un sec\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, copia quella cartella in .icons\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, poi riapri tweak\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, ok lovedo, impostato, ma va solo su mozilla. perchè ?\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, se l'hai impostato\n<pingui2> ok torno di là \n<cristian_c> Guest21865, poi, come faceva a funzionare prima in firefox quando ancora non l'avevi installato ? O.o\n<pingui> rIECCOMI\n<pingui> Ops\n<pingui> Rieccomi\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, intendenvo che cambiava al variare dei vari temi.\n<krabador> pingui, terminale, software-properties-gtk\n<krabador> ignora l'errore che appare nel terminale\n<Guest21865> cristian_c, adesso?\n<krabador> va nell'ultima tab a destra\n<pingui> sta caricando\n<pingui> ok\n<pingui> non c'e' piu' la scheda di rete\n<pingui> c'e' solo l- unknown\n<krabador> pingui, screen\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, con quali applicazioni hai provato?\n<Guest21865> mozilla\n<Guest21865> libreoffice.\n<Guest21865> ma sulla scrivania è normale esempio\n<cristian_c> quindi solo con firefox?\n<cristian_c> ah, funza anche con libreoffice\n<pingui> http://imgur.com/HhVnjUD\n<cristian_c> Guest21865, beh, teoricamente, io proverei a rieseguire il login\n<Guest21865> ok ci provo.\n<Guest21865> ciao grazie.\n<krabador> ok, pingui chiudi la finestra\n<krabador> pingui, sudo lshw -C network | pastebinit\n<pingui> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11290420/\n<krabador> pingui, controlla nel task di rete\n<krabador> cosa dice\n<pingui> cioe'?\n<krabador> cioè controlla ne task di rete\n<krabador> in basso a destra\n<pingui> ah ok\n<pingui> c'e' solo wired\n<pingui> e vpn la wi-fi non appare\n<krabador> pingui, dpkg -l | grep bcmwl | pastebinit\n<krabador> iwconfig | pastebinit\n<pingui> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11290477/\n<krabador> rfkill list | pastebinit\n<Riccardone> ciao a tutti\n<pingui> il 2 e il 3 dicono che sono vuoti\n<krabador> ok\n<Riccardone> non capisco perchè l'aggiornamento mi propone di aggiornare a kernel 3.13, quando in realtà ho un 3.16 ...\n<Riccardone> http://pastebin.com/0k9Xgi72\n<krabador> Riccardone, hai installato a mano un 3.16, provenendo da 14.04 precedente a point release varie ?\n<krabador> pingui, ok, sudo dpkg --remove bcmwl-kernel-source\n<Guest5886> cristian_c, riavviato come prima, niente da fare. esempio nella finestra di mozilla va bene nella finetra ma in alto il cursore è sempre alla versione base!\n<Riccardone> krabador: si, ho messso un 3.16 che risolve un bug per il mio sensore wifi ...\n<pingui> fatto\n<Riccardone> krabador: non ho capito il discorso delle point release varie ...\n<krabador> Riccardone, allora lui mantiene la linea della distro\n<krabador> non quello che hai messo tu\n<krabador> se ne sbatte di quello che hai messo tu a mano\n<pingui> krabador: eseguito, e' tornato al prompt\n<Riccardone> c'è un modo per far si che non aggiorni i kernel se inferiori alla 3.16 ?\n<krabador> bloccare l'aggiornamento del kernel\n<krabador> ma\n<cristian_c> Guest5886, quindi il problema è solo nel desktop?\n<krabador> \"hai installato a mano un 3.16, provenendo da 14.04 precedente a point release varie\" ---> hai installato direttamente 14.04.2 oppure hai installato 14.04 regolarmente installata ?\n<Riccardone> krabador: chiaramente se faccio un upgrade mi torna indietro alla 3.13 e riecco di nuovo i prpblemi con la WiFi ...\n<Guest5886> cristian_c, non in quasi tutto.\n<cristian_c> Guest5886, digita: gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface cursor-theme\n<krabador> \"chiaramente \" dovresti sapere, che cio' che installi a mano, di esterno dal repository, non viene considerato dal repository stesso , al fine dell'aggiornamento\n<Riccardone> krabador: ho installato 14.04 con la spunta \"download degli aggiornamenti durante l'instalazione\" e \"installa software di terze parti\"\n<krabador> pingui, sudo apt-get install firmware-b43legacy-installer\n<krabador> pingui, riavvia\n<krabador> Riccardone, quando (sii preciso) e la iso come si chiamava ?\n<Riccardone> krabador: adesso mi torvo con la situazione del pastebin di prima\n<Riccardone> una settimana fa e la iso si chiama ...\n<krabador> (si sente \"oooooo\" dalla curva)\n<Guest5886> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Riccardone> krabador: :) non te lo so dire perchè l'ho installata da una USB pen di qualche tempo fa ...\n<Guest5886> cristian_c, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11290697/\n<Riccardone> krabador: adesso vedo che la 14.04 non è piùdownloadabile, ma solo 14.04.2\n<krabador> Riccardone, semplicemente , perchè, se scaricavi la iso in questo periodo\n<cristian_c> Guest5886, hai installato obsidian?\n<krabador> avresti avuto già di default un kernel 3.16\n<krabador> in quanto la 14.04.2 ha quel kernel branch\n<krabador> quindi la pendrive è stata fatta con una iso precedente\n<Guest5886> cristian_c, che intendi per installarE?\n<krabador> che aggiornandosi , ti menziona 14.04.2\n<Riccardone> krabador: esatto ...\n<Guest5886> ho estratto la cartalle\n<krabador> ma non aggiorna il kernell\n<krabador> perchè, se installi direttamente la 14.04.2 , te lo ritrovi di default\n<krabador> Riccardone, \"esatto\" ---> non sto tirando ad indovinare\n<Riccardone> krabador: mi conviene quindi \"piallare\" il PC e reinstallare 14.04.2 ex-novo ?\n<cristian_c> Guest5886, quando hai scaricato il tar.gz, l'hai aperto e copiato il contenuto in .icons\n<krabador> se vuoi un kernel da 3.16 in su , si\n<krabador> oppure fai , a mano\n<Guest5886> cristian_c, si\n<krabador> \"enablement stack\"\n<Riccardone> e allora \"piallo\" ...\n<cristian_c> Guest5886, quindi è obsidian ll tema che hai installato?\n<pingui> FIGOOOOOO\n<krabador> Riccardone, o pialli e installi una 14.04.2 , ma\n<pingui> FIGHISSIMOOOOOO\n<krabador> pingui, perfetto\n<pingui> SONO TRAMITE Wi/FI\n<pingui> Lubuntu....tu l'hai sfidato...e lui ti ha mangia\n<pingui> (alla Alberto Sordi)\n<Mr_Pan> pingui, puoi evitare di \"strillare\"... scrivi in minuscolo pls...\n<krabador> Riccardone, c'è un ma\n<Riccardone> krabador: dimmi\n<krabador> la 14.04.2 si porta appresso un po' di bugghetti\n<krabador> decisamente fastidiosi\n<krabador> per via di pacchettizzazioni errate\n<pingui> Mr_Pan scusami ma era per una gioia immensa...cioe' e' dalle 17.20 che sono in ballo con sta cosa\n<krabador> di alcuni componenti importanti\n<Guest5886> Obsidian_L\n<Guest5886> per la precisione\n<Riccardone> krabador: mmm ... quindi ?\n<Mr_Pan> pingui, ok :D\n<krabador> Riccardone, che scheda grafica hai ?\n<Guest5886> cristian_c, ove L sta per left mancini\n<pingui> Grazie Krabador...gentilissimo e preparatissimo veramente\n<krabador> pingui, si fa quel che si puo'\n<krabador> buon lubuntu 15.04\n<pingui> Scappo a mangiarmi la fagiolata di Terence Hill e Bud Spencer...un abbraccio e grazie ancora\n<krabador> hehehehe\n<krabador> buon appetito\n<Riccardone> krabador: come loverifico ?\n<Mr_Pan> pingui, temiamo il dopo fagiolata :P\n<krabador> Riccardone, sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> Riccardone, sudo lshw -C video | pastebinit\n<Riccardone> krabador: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11290775/\n<Riccardone> krabador: intel ValleyView (mai sentita tra l'altro)\n<krabador> Riccardone, ok\n<krabador> allora, potresti anche installare 14.04.2 ex novo, ci sono problemi con le ati, ed l'installazione del driver closed\n<krabador> Riccardone, ma senti un po' una cosa\n<Riccardone> krabador: dimmi\n<krabador> non potresti provare la 15.04\n<Riccardone> krabador: è supportata solo per nove mesi da quanto leggo e non è LTS :(\n<krabador> si, ma tu non sei cosi' audace, da farti una bella fresh installation , della 15.10 , quando esce ?\n<Riccardone> krabador: che è una fresh installation ?\n<Riccardone> anche la 15.10 non va bene in quanto non LTS ..\n<krabador> installazione ex novo\n<krabador> oh, spetta\n<krabador> non è che le non lts sono merda\n<krabador> intendiamoci\n<Riccardone> krabador: si, lo so, è solo per un fatto di \"supprto\"\n<krabador> tu per esempio, nel caso della 14.04 hai dovuto installare a mano un kernel successivo\n<krabador> che non ti sarebbe mai stato dato li' dentro\n<Riccardone> krabador: infatti ...\n<krabador> non fosse che in canonical solo ultimamente hanno deciso di aggiornare il kernel alle lts\n<krabador> con le point release\n<krabador> altrimenti manutenevano sempre lo stesso, all'uscita della lts, per 5 anni\n<Riccardone> krabador: intanto la 15.04 me la sarico e ci gioco in live ...\n<krabador> quindi, chi si trovava problemi di supporto hardware, se li teneva\n<krabador> Riccardone, esatto, è quello che intendevo\n<krabador> tu prova, un po'\n<krabador> se non hai problemi, te la metti\n<krabador> altrimenti , come il discorso di cui prima\n<krabador> o fai l'enablement stack , alla versione che hai installato\n<Riccardone> il fatto è che adesso con la 14.04.2 il PC mi va davvero bene, l'unico inghippo è questa palla dell'upgrade ...\n<krabador> o installi ex novo la 14.04.2\n<krabador> Riccardone, non è un inghippo\n<Riccardone> krabador: che sarebbe l'enablement stack ?\n<krabador> la distro aggiorna cio' che ha in linea con il repo\n<krabador> Riccardone, praticamente ti fa passare a cio' che ha in default la 14.04.2\n<krabador> ovvero un kernel 3.16, , xorg 1.17\n<krabador> (che da qualche problemino)\n<krabador> hai 3 possibilità : ti tieni la distro che hai , con il kernel che hai installato a mano, e per evitare che la distro voglia mettere quello che è in linea con il repo, devi bloccarne l'aggiornamento (che senso ha una lts, se poi gli tieni tu bloccato il kernel, alla versione che hai messo tu, (che dovresti aggiornare a mano ) )\n<krabador> fai l'enablement stack\n<krabador> oppure installi ex novo una 14.04.2\n<Riccardone> mi sa che vado con l'installazione nuova ...\n<krabador> in tutto questo\n<krabador> se dai una bella provata alla 15.04\n<krabador> non sbagli nulla\n<Riccardone> krabador: le distro nuove mi fanno perdere un sacco di tempo, sono piene di bug ...\n<Riccardone> krabador: cambiano sempre qualcosa, per cui mi abituo con difficoltà ...\n<krabador> \"piene di bug\" ---> va contestualizzato\n<krabador> 14.04 sta dando ed ha dato molti piu' problemi di quanti ne possano dare 14.10 e 15.04\n<krabador> Riccardone, questo è quanto, a te la scelta\n<Riccardone> krabador: ci dormo su questo fine settimana ...\n<cristian_c> <Guest5886> cristian_c, ove L sta per left mancini <-- ok\n#ubuntu-it 2015-05-23\n<dario__> salve ragazzi ho un problemone, nel mio ubuntu 14.04 non ho più spazio nella radice e dovrei ridimensionarlo avrei bisogno di un live che adesso non ho e non riesco a scaricarla\n<dario__> possa fare tutto il passaggio da tty2 smontando le partzioni e ridiensionarle da testuale?\n<dario__> altra cosa che non capisco è perchè ho ff in inglese nella sessione amminisratore e in italiano in quella normale o in quella spite\n<Carlin0> dario__, devi farla per forza da live , a meno che tu non abbia un altro linux su quel pc\n<dario__> ok allora scarico l alive e mi faccio una usb e riparto\n<Carlin0> perchè cmq anche da testuale la partizione sarebbe montata\n<dario__> chiaro io speravo di riuscire a forzare la cosa :D\n<dario__> scusate l'ignoranza\n<dario__> invece per ff idee?\n<Carlin0> ff : è solo questione di impostazioni\n<dario__> lo so ma non riesco a trovarle ^_^\n<dario__> tutte quelle del sistema sono in italiano e su ff non trovo nulla che mi chieda se inglese o italiano\n<Carlin0> su questo non so aiutarti perchè non uso ubuntu\n<Carlin0> ah ... occhio che dopo modificata la partizione dovrai anche ripristinare il grub\n<dario__> anche se aumento una e diminuisco l'altra?\n<Carlin0> !grub\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino\n<dario__> non modifico le descrzioni o nomi\n<Carlin0> modificandola il grub non la riconosce +\n<Carlin0> al 90% sarà così\n<dario__> dovrebbe bastare il update-grub\n<dario__> io su questa macchina o solo ubuntu\n<Carlin0> vabbè poi vedrai ...\n<Carlin0> segnati il link del ripristino intanto\n<dario__> intanto grazio adesso devo cpire perchè non mi scarca la live\n<dario__> porca zozza\n<Carlin0> !download\n<ubot-it> download is http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ o http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ o http://www.ubuntu-it.org/download\n<Carlin0> magari perchè non hai spazio ...\n<dario__> non perche in home ho ancora solo 484GB\n<Carlin0> ma scusa quanto è la partizione root ?\n<Carlin0> hai la home separata ...\n<dario__> si ho la home seprata\n<dario__> root solo 9GB\n<dario__> 3 anni fa pensavo bastasse\n<dario__> ho separto la root e la home per l'eventualità di reinstallare il sistema senza perdere la home\n<Carlin0> in effetti non sono pochi\n<Carlin0> non avrai per caso tanti kernel vecchi installati ?\n<dario__> possibile e non mi ricordo più come fare per pulire\n<dario__> adesso faccio una ricerca non ci avevo pensato\n<Carlin0> dario__, al terminale dpkg -l | grep linux-image\n<Carlin0> metti il risultato su paste\n<Carlin0> !paste | dario__\n<ubot-it> dario__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<dario__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11301096/\n<Carlin0> insomma un po di spazio si recupera... metti qui il risultato di â uname -a\n<dario__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11301141/\n<Carlin0> ok un attimo\n<dario__> sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.2.0-27-generic\n<Carlin0> aspe...\n<Carlin0> iincolla questo al terminale\n<Carlin0> http://pastie.org/private/yws9zdudhxsgjvkfghjog\n<Carlin0> è una prima pulita ma ne hai ancora\n<dario__> li ho fatti tutti tranne la 3.13.0-52 e la 51\n<Carlin0> dopo dai â sudo dpkg --purge `COLUMNS=300 dpkg -l \"*\" | egrep \"^rc\" | cut -d\\ -f3`\n<dario__> ok\n<Carlin0> dario__, ma hai fatto tu ho hai dato quello che ti ho scritto io ?\n<dario__> ho fatto io il tuo messaggio lo ho visto dopo\n<dario__> ma erano li stessi\n<Carlin0> ok vediamo come sei messo ora dai di nuovo dpkg -l | grep linux-image\n<Carlin0> su paste\n<dario__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11301321/\n<Carlin0> non hai tolto gli extra\n<Carlin0> aspe ...\n<dario__> urca ecco perchè mi dava errore\n<dario__> sudo apt-get purge linux-image-extra.... giusto\n<dario__> lo faccio io tranquillo\n<Carlin0> dario__, dopo dai di nuovo dpkg -l | grep linux-image\n<dario__> non mi fa togliere gli extra\n<Carlin0> come cerchi di rimuoverli ?\n<dario__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11301519/\n<dario__> sempre con pt-get purge\n<dario__> apt-get\n<Carlin0> aspetta un attimo\n<Carlin0> prova con questo dario__ http://pastie.org/private/ubjpg2lvaf39xt0tfu3jg\n<dario__> nisba\n<dario__> faccio una cosa adesso provo a riavviare\n<dario__> così vedo se sistema qualcosa poi faccio un sudo apt-get -f install perchè mi da dei pacchetti con problemi dopo aver tolto i kernel\n<dario__> ci sentiamo dopo intanto grazie\n<dario_> rieccomi già tutto va meglio\n<Carlin0> dario_, dopo guardiamo anche i relativi headers\n<dario_> 1paste\n<dario_> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<dario_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11301725/ Carlin0\n<Carlin0> l'hai copiata male ?\n<dario_> in che senso?\n<Carlin0> vedo sulla stessa riga il comando e la risposta\n<dario_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11301755/\n<dario_> così mi sembra possa andare\n<dario_> fatta un po di pulizia ^_^\n<Carlin0> si ora dai dpkg -l | grep linux-headers\n<dario_> adesso ho 3GB liberi\n<Carlin0> e togliamo anche gli headers relativi ai kenrel tolti\n<Carlin0> infatti te lo dissi che 9 gb non erano pochi\n<dario_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11301771/\n<Carlin0> fai tu dario_ ?\n<dario_> si stesso comando di prima ma con linux-headers.... giusto?\n<Carlin0> lascia 51 e 52 come hai fatto per i kernel\n<Carlin0> lascia anche il generic al fondo mi raccomando\n<dario_> chiaroù1\n<dario_> grazie\n<Carlin0> di nulla\n<Carlin0> magari alla fine dai un sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get autoremove\n<Carlin0> per la cosa di ff passa + tardi , io uso debian non so dirti come impostare la lingua su ubuntu\n<dario_> tranquillo grazie mille\n<devuser> salve a tutti\n<Carlin0> ti sei evitato una bella rogna , toccar ele partizioni è sempre delicato\n<devuser> perchè dico perchè Ubuntu e la GPU non vanno mai d'accordo :)\n<devuser> doppia scheda, intenl e nvisia\n<dario_> e si\n<dario_> ancora grazie e buona giornata\n<devuser> da due anni che uso solo la scheda Intel , nvidia non è mai andata\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> buongiorno, qualcuno sa dirmi su ubuntu con che programma si apre un file di installazione con estensione .sh?\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> ciao cristian_c ;)\n<cristian_c> alexxxxxxxxxx, è uno script di shell\n<cristian_c> alexxxxxxxxxx, volendo lo apri con un editor di testo\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> si l'ho fatto con gedit ma mi si blocca\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> posso lanciarlo su terminale per installarlo?\n<cristian_c> so blocca in che senso?\n<cristian_c> *si\n<cristian_c> clic destro -> Apri con -> gedit\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> si apre gedit e resta bianco, poi si fa grigio (come quando si blocca) poi torna bianco\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> alla fine devo chiuderlo\n<cristian_c> mmmm\n<cristian_c> alexxxxxxxxxx, sicuro abbia estensione sh?\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> si\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> ho provato ad avviarlo da terminale ma mi dice permesso negato\n<cristian_c> alexxxxxxxxxx, come si chiama il file?\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> Cytoscape\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> Cytoscape_3_2_1_unix.sh\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> ho fatto ./Cyt... .sh e mi dice permesso negato\n<cristian_c> alexxxxxxxxxx, sudo updatedb && locate Cytoscope_3_2_1_unix.sh\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> ho fatto sudo sh nomefile e mi dice che non puo aprirlo\n<cristian_c> !paste | alexxxxxxxxxx\n<ubot-it> alexxxxxxxxxx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> ah ok\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> mi è andato a capo il cursore e lampeggia senza fare niente....\n<cristian_c> attendere, prego...\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11303230/\n<cristian_c> alexxxxxxxxxx, il file non esiste\n<f843d0> cristian_c: hai scritto Cytoscope_3_2_1_unix.sh, ma lui disse Cytoscape_3_2_1_unix.sh\n<cristian_c> ottimo\n<cristian_c> :D\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> ahahhahahahahha\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> ho copiato da te\n<cristian_c> alexxxxxxxxxx, locate Cytoscape_3_2_1_unix.sh\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> mi hai indotto in errore ahahhahahahah\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> aspetta lo rifaccio\n<cristian_c> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11303273/\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> ora dovrebbe essere andato\n<cristian_c> alexxxxxxxxxx, ls -l ~/Scaricati/Cytoscape_3_2_1_unix.sh && file ~/Scaricati/Cytoscape_3_2_1_unix.sh\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11303301/\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> che brutti permessi che c'ha sto file\n<cristian_c> /home/alessandro/Scaricati/Cytoscape_3_2_1_unix.sh: data\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> ?\n<f843d0> alexxxxxxxxxx: credo avrebbe dovuto dirti Bourne-Again shell script\n<cristian_c> io ho ad esempio alsa-info.sh: Bourne-Again shell script, ASCII text executable, with very long lines\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> ah boh ho copiato tutto quello che c'era\n<f843d0> alexxxxxxxxxx: comunque, chmod +x /home/alessandro/Scaricati/Cytoscape_3_2_1_unix.sh per provare ad eseguirlo\n<cristian_c> alexxxxxxxxxx, è un fake\n<cristian_c> f843d0, infatti gli ho postato un esempio di 'sh' vero\n<cristian_c> :D\n<cristian_c> f843d0, mmm, ti fidi?\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> ma come un fake, è un programma di biologia molecolare che ci devo fare un esame\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> lo hanno scaricato tutti i maledetti che hanno windows\n<cristian_c> ah\n<f843d0> cristian_c: non ho mai detto che e` giusto eseguirlo...\n<cristian_c> f843d0, :P\n<f843d0> cristian_c: ho solo detto che, almeno per provare ad eseguirlo, ci vuole lo Sticky Bit giusto :)\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> non me lo fa eseguire con quel comando\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> uffa non posso rovinare la mia media del 30 e lode solo perche non riesco a installare sta cagata di programma :P\n<f843d0> alexxxxxxxxxx: a quale comando ti riferisci?\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> quello che mi hai suggerito tu\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> l'ho incollato ma non dà segni di vita\n<f843d0> alexxxxxxxxxx: in che senso non da` segni di vita? Non vi e` output o e` rimasto appeso?\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> mi va accapo\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> come se avessi digitato il nulla\n<f843d0> alexxxxxxxxxx: controlla adesso con ls -l\n<f843d0> alexxxxxxxxxx: vedrai che oltre a rw ci sono x\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> -rwxr-x--x 1 alessandro alessandro 119937330 mag 14 21:45 Cytoscape_3_2_1_unix.sh\n<f843d0> alexxxxxxxxxx: con x si indica che un file e` eseguibile, o che un folder e` apribile\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> ed è evidenziato verde, la cosa mi fa essere ottimista :P\n<f843d0> alexxxxxxxxxx: ora puoi provare, a tuo rischio e pericolo, a lanciare ./Cytoscape_3_2_1_unix.sh\n<cristian_c> alexxxxxxxxxx, ls -l ~/Scaricati/Cytoscape_3_2_1_unix.sh && file -i ~/Scaricati/Cytoscape_3_2_1_unix.sh\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> fattoooooo\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> ho digitato ./Cytoscape_3_2_1.sh\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> ed è partito\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> grazie cari, se non ci foste dovrebbero inventarvi, vi dedicherò il mio ennesimo 30 e lode\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> ;)\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> noooooo, mi ha aperto il wizard per l'installazione ma ora non so dove è finito, oh mio dio\n<cristian_c> alexxxxxxxxxx, in che senso?\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> cioè mi è partito l'installer\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> sono andato avanti, ma ora non so come richiamare il programma per avviarlo\n<cristian_c> ancora non ci siamo\n<cristian_c> alexxxxxxxxxx, in ogni caso, qui non si fa supporto ad applicazioni scaricate dal web\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> ah si ho risolto :P\n<alexxxxxxxxxx> ora scappo, grazieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee\n<Pepp_n_FX> ciao a tutti\n<Pepp_n_FX> è possibile forzare Ubuntu a ricaricare i driver usb?\n<cristian_c> Pepp_n_FX, puoi ricaricare i driver con rmmod o modprobe -r\n<cristian_c> o meglio li rimuove, per ricaricarli, modprobe\n<Sasha82> Salve a tutti, ho un problema ad installare Xubuntu15.04 qualcuno può aiutarmi?\n<Sasha82> Ad un certo punto mi compare una schermata bera con scritto: Xubuntu login\n<Sasha82> E non so come andare avanti\n<cristian_c> Sasha82, in quale punto?\n<cristian_c> in live va?\n<Sasha82> la sto installando da chiavetta USB\n<Sasha82> prima è comparsa una schermata blu con scritto Xubuntu\n<Sasha82> e poi questa\n<frezli> ciao raga ho installato ubuntu 15.04 , non riesco capire come utilizzare il multidesktop\n<frezli> cioè aprire programmi su desktop diversi , cosa che una volta era naturale in linux\n<cristian_c> Sasha82, sì, ok, ma hai già provato la modalità live?\n<cristian_c> frezli, beh, come apri le applicazioni, solitamente?\n<frezli> clicco suul'icona apro un programma e poi se voglio aprirne un altro su un altro desktop come faccio\n<cristian_c> frezli, dove trovi l'icona?\n<frezli> tanto per capirci è il classico multidesktop di linux\n<frezli> che non trovo più\n<cristian_c> frezli, generamente, comunque, basta fare lo switch del desktop ,e aprire l'applicazione\n<frezli> cosa vuol dire switch del desktop\n<cristian_c> frezli, ah, non trovi lindicatore 'switch desktop'?\n<frezli> a ci vuole l'indicatore ?\n<cristian_c> frezli, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Selection_0021.png\n<frezli> cristian è proprio quello che cerco , non c'è\n<frezli> c'è il cestino in basso a sinistra ma no la barra sotto con i vari desktop\n<cristian_c> frezli, utilizzi unity?\n<frezli> si io ho ubuntu classico senza nessuna modifica appena installato\n<frezli> quindi unity\n<cristian_c> http://askubuntu.com/questions/83176/how-do-i-quickly-switch-between-workspaces-in-unity\n<cristian_c> frezli, quindi vai in Aspetto\n<cristian_c> seleziona Comportamento e infine attiva 'Attiva spazi di lavoro'\n<frezli> grazie ho capito\n<frezli> io uso tutti i giorno gnome shell e con unity non capisco niente , non capisco perchè hanno incasinato cosi' tanto le cosa con questa unity\n<cristian_c> frezli, beh, alla fine si tratta di attivare un'opzione nel control center\n<cristian_c> frezli, comunque, funza ora?\n<frezli> ok grazie funziona\n<frezli> certo che trovo molto più funzionale gnome shell , con le gnome shell extensions fai quello che vuoi\n<cristian_c> frezli, beh, ok, ma in ogni caso il sistema di default è spoglio, se non installi estensioni\n<cristian_c> :P\n<cristian_c> frezli, in ogni caso, anche con unity puoi installare gli indicatori, gli scopes, ecc...\n<cristian_c> *scope\n<frezli> si ma in gnome con 3 4 estensioni hai gnome shell + menu classici più quello che vuoi\n<Carlin0> degustibus\n<cristian_c> beh, qui il discorso si allunga, a questo punto si potrebbe installare kde, xfce o mate\n<cristian_c> avendo un de all-in-one\n<frezli> va be proverò anche unity adesso in un secondo computer\n<blulnd> ciao, ho bisogno di un aiuto a configurare la scheda video!\n<cristian_c> blulnd, esattamente,quali necessità hai?\n<blulnd> ciao, ho appena installato la 15.04 e non ritorvo più la scheda audio analogica. vedo solo quella HDMI.\n<cristian_c> blulnd, ma non era riguardo alla scheda video la domanda?\n<cristian_c> O.o\n<blulnd> ho sbagliato a scrivere, scusa\n<brunonet63> ciao, necessito di aiuto per far funzionare un pc HP Compaq-6730s ed un modem netgear D1500 che non dialogano pru vedendosi...\n<cristian_c> blulnd, mmmm\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, sei collegato via cavo?\n<brunonet63> si, ora sono in hot spot con il cell\n<cristian_c> uhm\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, quindi stai navigando dal compaq via wifi?\n<cristian_c> o via usb?\n<Pepp_n_FX> come posso fare la ricerca manuale degli aggiornamenti?\n<Sasha82> scusate rieccomi, ma come si installa da usb in modalità Live?\n<cristian_c> Pepp_n_FX, apri il gestore aggiornamenti\n<brunonet63> esatto\n<Pepp_n_FX> ovvero?\n<Carlin0> !installazione | Sasha82\n<ubot-it> Sasha82: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<cristian_c> Sasha82, quando entri nel desktop in modalità live,compare un'icona che avvia il wizard d'installazione del sistema\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, mmm, digita: ifconfig -a\n<cristian_c> in un terminale\n<Carlin0> Pepp_n_FX, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, poi incolla il risultato su pastebin\n<cristian_c> !paste | brunonet63\n<ubot-it> brunonet63: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Sasha82> Installando da USB per prima cosa mi esce una schermata azzurra con la scritta xubuntu e con un cerchio di caricamento.\n<Pepp_n_FX> trovato, grazie... si chiama Aggiornamenti Software\n<Sasha82> dopo di che scompare e appare una schermata nera in cui mi si chiede: Xubuntu login:\n<brunonet63> perdona l'impaccio, ma dove devo digitare ifconfig -a ?\n<cristian_c> Sasha82, hai provato ad avviare la modalità live?\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, <cristian_c> in un terminale\n<Sasha82> ma in quale momento posso scegliere questa modalità ?\n<cristian_c> Sasha82, poco dopo il boot\n<cristian_c> Sasha82, se apri il link suggerito da Carlin0\n<Sasha82> ma ti dico dopo il boot, appare solo sta schermata azzura...\n<Sasha82> si lo sto guardando\n<blulnd> cristian_c, aplay -l elenca anche i dispositivo Analogico \"ALC887\" ma in impostazioni audio non compare nell'elenco selezionabile\n<brunonet63> ok ho copiato il testo, ma ancora non capisco dove digitarlo\n<Carlin0> Sasha82, dove hai preso questa iso ?\n<cristian_c> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Standard\n<Sasha82> dal sito ubuntu\n<cristian_c> Sasha82, troverai qualcosa di simile a questo: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Standard?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=1004-0.png\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, in un terminale\n<Sasha82> no assulutamente nulla del genere...\n<cristian_c> blulnd, posta su pastebin il risultato di aplay -l\n<cristian_c> !paste | blulnd\n<ubot-it> blulnd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<cristian_c> Sasha82, allora facendo riferimento alla guida linkata, fino a quale schermata arrivi?\n<Sasha82> a nessuna di queste\n<Sasha82> adesso vi posto cosa vedo io..\n<Carlin0> Sasha82, la cosa + strana e che ti chieda un login , il che fa pensare a una iso non originale o danneggiata\n<blulnd> cristian_c http://paste.ubuntu.com/11304912/\n<Sasha82> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/F7OLG8oPT8Di4rm7v58u https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/kACxUGVSRhGgHz28qZeW\n<brunonet63> cose intendi per un terminale, io l'unico pc che ho è quello che sto usando, dovrei aprire una pagina nuova specifica ? parlami come ad uno davvero imbrabato !\n<cristian_c> blulnd, mmmm\n<cristian_c> blulnd, apri alsamixer\n<Carlin0> Sasha82, ma riavvii il pc o stai apri l'installazione da windows ?\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, ok, premi ctrl+alt+t\n<blulnd> cristian_c fatto\n<cristian_c> blulnd, posta una schermata\n<cristian_c> !image | blulnd\n<ubot-it> blulnd: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<brunonet63> fatto: si è aperta una finestra\n<cristian_c> Sasha82, cosa appare prima di: https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/F7OLG8oPT8Di4rm7v58u ?\n<Sasha82> Io parto con il pc spento e la chiavetta inserita.\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, digita il comando\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, e poi incolla il risultato su pastebin\n<cristian_c> !paste | brunonet63\n<ubot-it> brunonet63: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Sasha82> una schermata nera piena di righe di comando che scorrono\n<cristian_c> Sasha82, e prima di quella?\n<Sasha82> nulla\n<Carlin0> !md5 | Sasha82\n<ubot-it> Sasha82: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Md5Sum | md5: http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.04/MD5SUMS\n<cristian_c> Sasha82, parti dall'inizio\n<Sasha82> ho messo su chiavetta Xubunto attraverso LiLi\n<cristian_c> ah\n<cristian_c> Sasha82, hai altri pc con 'linux'?\n<Sasha82> e quindi installo da chiavetta USB\n<Sasha82> No\n<cristian_c> !usbwin | Sasha82\n<ubot-it> Sasha82: Scarica Universal USB Installer: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ | Installalo su Windows e lancialo: lui si occuperà di trasferire l'immagine ISO su USB. Guida: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows | Opzionalmente questo programma può anche scaricare lui stesso l'immagine ISO\n<brunonet63> ok, mi da un a serie di dati\n<cristian_c> Sasha82, sì sì, ma come hai eseguito il boot?\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, incolla su pastebin\n<brunonet63> spiegami bene cosa e come fare, ti prego !\n<cristian_c> <Sasha82> Io parto con il pc spento e la chiavetta inserita.\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, digita: sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<brunonet63> lo digito all'interno della pagnia dei dati ? in fondo ?\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, sempre nella finestra del terminale\n<cristian_c> quella che hai aperto prima con la scorciatoia da tastiera\n<blulnd> cristian_c http://i.imgur.com/xohCs4E.png\n<cristian_c> blulnd, premi F6\n<brunonet63> fatto e mi chiede una password\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, digita la tua password\n<blulnd> cristian_c fatto\n<cristian_c> quella che hai scelto per il tuo account durante l'installazione, e che usi per effettuare il login\n<cristian_c> blulnd, posta schermata\n<brunonet63> quella che uso nel pc vero ?\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, sì\n<blulnd> cristian_c http://i.imgur.com/3UFquYK.png\n<brunonet63> ok, presa, sta elaborando, e ora ?\n<cristian_c> blulnd, le prime due scelte non cambiano nulla, giusto, nella schermata?\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, aspetta che finisca\n<brunonet63> ok, si è posizionato ... concursore lampeggiante al termine\n<Sasha82> Provo con l'universal usb\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, digita: ifconfig -a | pastebinit\n<cristian_c> Sasha82, e controlla anche l'md5, come ti ha suggerito Carlin0\n<Sasha82> ok\n<blulnd> cristian_c esatto, con versioni precedenti potevo vedre tutti i dispositivi: anzi i problimi erano con HDMI\n<cristian_c> blulnd, da quanto si verifica questo problema?\n<cristian_c> 15.04?\n<blulnd> Yes\n<cristian_c> blulnd, quindi appena hai installato la 15.04, hai notato questo problema?\n<blulnd> cristian_c sì, l'ho pure reinstallato ma niente\n<cristian_c> blulnd, e in live invece?\n<cristian_c> sempre della 15.04\n<brunonet63> fatto, ora mi dice http://paste.ubuntu.com/11305058/ che significa ?\n<cristian_c> ottimo\n<cristian_c> apro il link\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, se apri il link pure tu, vedrai :P\n<blulnd> cristian_c live 15.04 sempre problema\n<Carlin0> blulnd, ma l'audio funziona o no ?\n<cristian_c> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1\n<cristian_c> sì ,sei collegato via wifi\n<cristian_c> blulnd, ok\n<cristian_c> Carlin0, lui ha l'audio impostato su uscita hdmi\n<cristian_c> e non gli compare l'opzione dell'audio intenro\n<cristian_c> *interno\n<brunonet63> ok, vedo dati, che fare ?\n<Carlin0> ho capito , ma funziona ? ha line in mute ....\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, quindi stai utilizzando correttamente la scheda wifi del portatile\n<blulnd> cristian_c si quello HDMI al quale ho collegato la tv, mentre se voglio utilizzare i jack dell'analogico per connettere HI-FI non posso\n<cristian_c> usando il cellulare invece del router come access point\n<cristian_c> per l'accesso al web\n<cristian_c> Carlin0, dice appunto che l'audio via hdmi funziona\n<cristian_c> ma non tramite le uscite della scheda interna\n<brunonet63> bene, ma sono sempre connesso in hot spot e non con la linea via cavo, devo forse dgt la richiesta di download as text ' o cosa ?\n<Carlin0> cristian_c, ha line in mute ...\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, allora\n<cristian_c> Carlin0, ok, ma prima deve selezionare la scheda interna\n<cristian_c> quel canale se non sbaglio fa parte dell'hdmi\n<cristian_c> Carlin0, ma forse hai ragione\n<cristian_c> blulnd, prova a fare come suggerito da Carlin0\n<Carlin0> la scheda è unica ha solo + canali\n<brunonet63> devo riaccendere il modem e collegarmi ora? Oppure come faccio a passare dal wifi del cell al cavo adsl\n<blulnd> ok\n<blulnd> provo\n<Carlin0> blulnd, dove c'è MM premi m e alza un po il volume\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, cavo?\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, comunque, potresti iniziare col provare a collegarti via cavo ethernet al router\n<blulnd> Carlin0 fatto ma niente\n<brunonet63> ora sono connesso in wi fi hot spot con il cell. ma nei tentativi precedenti con cavo connesso al netgear a sua volta connesso via cavo alla linea adsl non mi fa avere accesso\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, ah, ecco\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, ok, allora prima di tutto devi assicurarti che sia il router a funzionare bene\n<blulnd> Carlin0 prima potevo scegliere fra i dispositivi da impostazioni, ora vedo solo HDMI, uscita S/PDIF e Cuffie analogiche\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, attualmente, hai provato il router solo con quel pc e con ubuntu?\n<Carlin0> blulnd, sudo apt install pulseaudio\n<Carlin0> da li potresti selezionare entrate e uscite\n<brunonet63> esatto, l'assietensa telefonica di infostrada dice che mi vede ma che ci dovrebbero essere problemi per la configurazione tra pc e router\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, hai provato con un altro pc?\n<blulnd> Carlin0 http://i.imgur.com/29S7jr3.png\n<cristian_c> con windows, magari\n<Sasha82> ha funzionato grazie a tutti\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, cosa esce con cuffie analogiche?\n<cristian_c> Sasha82, ottimo\n<cristian_c> Sasha82, ma hai già installato?\n<brunonet63> è possibile che sia da riconfigurare il dialgo per la connessionte tra pc e router ?\n<brunonet63> perchè come cedi con il cell va bene\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, mi viene da pensare che il problema sia con il router stesso\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, ma come fai la connessione di solito?\n<blulnd> cristian_c cuffie analogiche è la risposta!! L'analogico è là : sono coassiali e non ciffie ma funziona. Risolto.\n<blulnd> Grazie!!!\n<cristian_c> coassiali?\n<Carlin0> casse\n<cristian_c> ahhh\n<cristian_c> beh, sempre uscita è\n<blulnd> Giusto. Grazie ad entrambi cristian_c e Carlin0\n<cristian_c> blulnd, ma ha le casse integrate il pc?\n<brunonet63> prima usavo una chiavetta, ora uso il cell experia sony come hot spot e siccome da poco ho la linea internet anche sul fisso di casa così ho preso il modem router per collegarmi comodamente... credevo...\n<cristian_c> o solo uscita?\n<cristian_c> il jack da 3.5 mm\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, appunto, il problema mi sembra del router\n<blulnd> solo uscita\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, perciò hai provato con altri pc / sistemi operativi?\n<cristian_c> blulnd, ahhhhh\n<cristian_c> blulnd, allora non ha le casse\n<cristian_c> che pc è?\n<Carlin0> brunonet63, dovresti provare a collegarti via cavo\n<brunonet63> cioè dovrei riportarlo dove è stato comprato ?\n<brunonet63> se mi collego come dovrei, resto alla start page e non va più internet\n<blulnd> cristian_c è una scheda AION-T Deluxe con uscita audio coassiale per casse tradizionali.\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, ma appunto chiedo: hai fatto le prove che ti ho detto?\n<cristian_c> ah\n<cristian_c> blulnd, pci?\n<cristian_c> su slot pci?\n<brunonet63> ieri l'ho portato in ufficio e pareva funzionasse tutto.ora ho la pagina aperta con i dati di pastebin\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, mmm, quindi hai provato il pc o il router in ufficio?\n<cristian_c> non è chiaro\n<brunonet63> esatto, e funzionava cioè pc e ruoter si vedevano. ora dalle pag che mi avevi detto di aprire (pastebin) se dgt text mi chiede di fare login, è cosi che dovrei provare ?\n<cristian_c> no\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, per favore, rispondi alle domande\n<cristian_c> se vuoi ricevere aiuto\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, 1) cos'è che hai portato in ufficio?\n<brunonet63> ok, dimmi: e perdona l'intromissione\n<cristian_c> 2) come crei la connessione wifi sul pc?\n<blulnd> cristian_c il nome corretto è AT3IONT-i Deluxe asus http://i.imgur.com/LebJZRR.jpg\n<brunonet63> in ufficio ho portato questo pc, il modem e tutti i suoi cavi\n<cristian_c> blulnd, ah, è una mobo\n<blulnd> sì\n<Carlin0> brunonet63, e la funzionava ?\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, altri pc si collegano con quel router?\n<blulnd> cristian_c e Carlin0 ciao e grazie ancora.\n<Carlin0> ciao blulnd\n<brunonet63> funzionava, nel senso che con tutto collegato chiedeva solo la linea internet, che non ho collegato per problemi di chiusura dell'ufficio. nessun altro pc è mai sto collegato prima a questo ruoter che è nuovo\n<cristian_c> se non hai provato ...\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, ti conviene provare quel router da altre parti, con windows, ecc..\n<cristian_c> prima di ipotizzare problemi col SO\n<cristian_c> visto che non va né via cavo, né via wifi\n<Carlin0> brunonet63, dovresti collegare il pc via cavo al router e poi digitare nel terminale route -n per accertarsi che lo veda\n<krabador> siamo sicuri che il router si connetta ad internet correttamente?\n<brunonet63> perchè è possibile che con ubuntu non si interfacci ?\n<Carlin0> brunonet63, se lo colleghi e non navighi qualcosa è\n<brunonet63> con cavo inserito lo vede e mi da la connessione, almeno nella icona in alto a dx , ma poi non funziona internet\n<Carlin0> quindi vediamo se esiste il collegamento pc â router\n<Carlin0> l'icona non vuol dire nulla\n<krabador> brunonet63, e tu hai aperto un browser, e digitato l'indirizzo ip del router\n<krabador> per vedere se apre la pagina di configurazione del router, e verificare correttamente se \"è tutto a posto\" ?\n<Carlin0> krabador, non credo sia in grado di fare una cosa simile da solo brunonet63\n<brunonet63> ok, appena aquistato ho collegato tutto e seguito le istruzioni digitando nome rete e password dell'etichetta originali, e fin lì tutto bene\n<krabador> e glielo diciamo noi\n<brunonet63> hei ? ci siete ?\n<krabador> brunonet63, se non attacchi questo pc al router , e non mandi un po' di comandi di cui mandi poi il risultato qui\n<krabador> non c'è molto da dirci\n<brunonet63> ora sono collegato in hot spot dal cell, su questo pc, ma se attivo la connessione adsl resto fermo ad una start page e niene internet\n<Carlin0> <krabador> brunonet63, se non attacchi questo pc al router\n<krabador> brunonet63, servono dei comandi da mandare da un pc collegato a quel router\n<krabador> senza una cosa del genere\n<krabador> ci giriamo i pollici tutti\n<krabador> un pc con ubuntu\n<leopesto> ciao, ho una piccola questione su un hd\n<brunonet63> ok, al pc con ubuntu è collegato il cavo che va al router che a sua volta è collegato alla adsl della linea telefonica fissa, ma il ruoter è spento altrimenti si sovrappone a qesta connessione e resto tagliato fuori, come potrei procedere ?\n<leopesto> se lo attacco lsusb mi segnala che la porta a cui é attaccato é un hd wd pero non ho alcuna info e non posso accedervi, su dischi nemmeno risulta\n<Carlin0> brunonet63, come mettere la roba in frigo ma col frigo spento\n<brunonet63> non ho altri pc a disposizione, dovrei ricollegarmi da altre linea e in parallelo eseguire i comandi che puoi darmi ? se così fosse mi devo riorganizzare e trovare un altro collegamento\n<mayflower> krabador, sei proprio acido\n<Carlin0> brunonet63, potresti fare così collegare il pc a router , dare ad esempio route -n , salvare la risposta su un file di testo ... e poi ...\n<cristian_c> leopesto, dmesg | tail\n<cristian_c> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<brunonet63> route -n dove va dgt?\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, nel terminale\n<brunonet63> ok,lo dgt subito, fatto,mi da dei dati, come li copio ?\n<cristian_c> brunonet63, incolla su pastebin\n<cristian_c> !paste | brunonet63\n<ubot-it> brunonet63: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<leo_pesto> http://pastebin.com/ZrMSC9zQ\n<leo_pesto> sembra molto molto lento\n<brunonet63> ok li ho copiati su pastebin\n<leo_pesto> brunonet63, fai submit e copia il link ;)\n<brunonet63> fatto,ora ?\n<Carlin0> ora aspetta che indoviniamo il link dove hai scritto\n<leopesto> brunonet63:incollalo qui e premi enter (che é quel tasto a forma di L girata tipo)\n<brunonet63> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface\n<brunonet63> 0.0.0.0 192.168.43.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0\n<brunonet63> 192.168.43.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 9 0 0 wlan0\n<brunonet63> questi sono i dati che ti occorrono ?\n<leopesto> non serve a nulla finché non accendi il router\n<leopesto> accendilo, connettiti (anche se internet non funziona chissene) dai il comando, poi ti colleghi al wifi (o spegni il router come vuoi) e ci incolli il risultato\n<brunonet63> va bene ora sono troppo affaticato e scoraggiato, riproverò appena avrò a disposizione una connessione parallela. Grazie comunque , tutti capaci e gentili.... anche se qualcuno non molto cmprensivo verso chi è impacciato.. come me.a presto---\n<jester-> sera\n<Riccardone> krabador: sto facendo ls USB pen con la 15.05\n<Riccardone> *04\n<krabador> bene, dagli una bella provata\n<krabador> se quello che ti serve che faccia, lo fa, reputa come ti sembra che lo faccia\n<krabador> e se ti piace\n<krabador> la metti\n<krabador> .\n<Riccardone> krabador: esatto (tu non tiri infatti)\n<Riccardone> krabador: leggevo però che hanno tolto, abiword e Gnumeric ...\n<Riccardone> krabador: vediamo un po' se mi soddisfa ...\n<krabador> Riccardone, in quei casi, si dice \"sudo apt-get fatti capanna\"\n<krabador> non è la presenza di software installabile, che possa essere discriminatorio, tecnicamente , per una distribuzione\n<Riccardone> krabador: se invece cambiassi /etc/apt/sources.list mettendo il repository di 15.04 ?\n<Riccardone> krabador: si incazza apt ?\n<krabador> Riccardone, questo è un canale di supporto\n<krabador> ha un log\n<krabador> in modo che possa essere possibile la consultazione\n<krabador> di quanto detto qui dentro\n<krabador> al fine di giovare ad utenti in difficoltà \n<krabador> e garantire in questo modo anche che quanto detto in questa risorsa ufficiale , non possa recare danno ai sistemi degli utenti che si rivolgono qui dentro\n<Riccardone> ok capito\n<krabador> è stato affrontando il tuo discorso , sulla base della distribuzione che usi abbondantemente ieri\n<krabador> xubuntu 15.04\n<Riccardone> krabador, si\n<Riccardone> in live\n<krabador> Riccardone, http://xubuntu.org/news/15-04-release/\n<Riccardone> krabador, sto leggendo ... Ame sembra andar tutto bene ancora. Mi funzionano anche i tasti per il backlight ed il volume :)\n<Stefano> Bsera a tutti\n<krabador> !ciao | Stefano\n<ubot-it> Stefano: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<Stefano> Vorrei installare Ubuntu sul mio pc\n<Stefano> qualcuno mi può aiutare online?\n<krabador> puoi fornire informazioni precise sul tuo pc, a livello di componentistica?\n<krabador> !installazione | Stefano\n<ubot-it> Stefano: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<Stefano> certo\n<Stefano> Ho appena installato cpu-z pe conoscere la configurazione\n<krabador> Stefano, non sai le caratteristiche del tuo pc?\n<Stefano> Processore AMD Phenom II X4 965\n<Stefano> Ritengo sia 32 bit\n<krabador> sbagliato.\n<Stefano> Ecco\n<Stefano> cominciamo bene\n<krabador> Stefano, è tuo il pc?\n<Stefano> Ho letto che prima di scaricare una versione occorre sapere se è a 32 o 64 bit\n<Stefano> Sono neofita, non uccidetemi subito\n<krabador> qui nessuno uccide nessuno\n<krabador> al massimo si chiedono informazioni precise sulla propria macchian\n<krabador> Sagitt - ario\n<ale85> buona sera a tutti\n<Mr_Pan> !ciao | ale85\n<ubot-it> ale85: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<VITRON> Ciao, c'è qualcuno disponibile ad aiutarmi con una nuova istallazione?\n<VITRON> vorrei provare ubuntu\n<VITRON> ho già il cd della versione 14.10\n<Mr_Pan> VITRON, visto che hai il cd perchè intanto non avvii live ? così lo provi senza installare nulla ...\n<Mr_Pan> !live | VITRON\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'live'\n<krabador> VITRON, scarica 15.04 , la 14.10 è la precedente versione intermedia, entro breve viene cessata dal supporot\n<VITRON> e non posso aggiornare a 15.4 dopo aver istallato questa ?\n<VITRON> vorrei istallare direttamente tanto ho già provato ubuntu da un amico e mi è piaciuto molto\n<VITRON> mi aveva spiegato come fare ma non riesco a far partire il cd all'avvio... non so se modificato bene la root\n<krabador> VITRON, non te lo consiglio\n<krabador> vivaente\n<krabador> visto che ti trovi di fronte ad una nuova installazione\n<krabador> scarica la 15.04 , e fa un supporto di installazione\n<krabador> se il tuo pc, supporta il boot da usb, puoi fare le prove varie facendo una pendrive come supporto di installazione\n<krabador> !usbwin | VITRON\n<ubot-it> VITRON: Scarica Universal USB Installer: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ | Installalo su Windows e lancialo: lui si occuperà di trasferire l'immagine ISO su USB. Guida: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows | Opzionalmente questo programma può anche scaricare lui stesso l'immagine ISO\n<krabador> VITRON, non si deve modificare nessuna root, per l'avvio del pc\n<Ale55> Sera a tutti\n<VITRON> non devo dire al pc di avviarsi leggendo da cd?\n<krabador> si, ma è il boot, non il root\n<krabador> !ciao | Ale55\n<ubot-it> Ale55: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<Ale55> chi mi potrebbe dare un aiuto su un-istallazione di ubuntu\n<VITRON> ahhh scusa\n<VITRON> mi sono sbagliato\n<Ale55> sono in live\n<krabador> Ale55, chiedi , specifica per favore cpu ram e scheda video del pc\n<VITRON> prima di continuare vorrei chiarire che sto cercando di istallare ubuntu su notebook Asus\n<Ale55> e dovrei installare ubuntu e dovrei formattare windows7\n<VITRON> la procedura è uguale giusto?\n<Ale55> pero ho un problema che ho due hard disk\n<krabador> VITRON, la procedura di installazione, in base a cosa di intende fare , è la stessa , nelle varie macchine\n<Ale55> e non vorrei cancellare i dati del secondo hard disk\n<krabador> VITRON, con l'unica differenza se, in presenza di uefi, o bios tradizionale\n<krabador> Ale55, lui non cancella nulla\n<Ale55> cpu intel 2.6 dual core\n<krabador> se non glielo dici espressamente\n<Ale55> e ma devo formattare windows\n<VITRON> ti dico si ma non ho capito nulla... cmq se scarico iso su chiavetta o mini sd è uguale?\n<krabador> VITRON, segui il link che ti ho passato prima, si .\n<Ale55> volevo solo che durante l-installazione\n<VITRON> ok\n<krabador> Ale55, stacca il secondo disco prima di far partire l'installazione\n<krabador> a pc spento\n<VITRON> ultima cosa devo impostare boot per leggere da chiavetta?\n<krabador> Ale55, fai poi partire l'installazione\n<krabador> Ale55, quando ti verrà chiesto, gli fai usare tutto il disco presente\n<krabador> Ale55, e nessun problema, lui cancella win, e mette solo ubuntu\n<Ale55> e ma dovrei fare un operazione elaboriosa\n<krabador> Ale55, è elementare, particolarmente\n<Ale55> non ti chiede su che disco vuoi installare ubuntu\n<krabador> Ale55, la modalità di installazione è un passo obbligato, con opzioni precisate\n<krabador> Ale55, si , puoi anche specificarlo tutto a manpo\n<krabador> ma se il secondo disco non ti serve a tal fine, lo stacchi\n<krabador> fai partire l'installazione solo con il disco interessato attaccato\n<Ale55> casomai se resti in linea io faccio partire linstallazione\n<krabador> Ale55, allora, fa una cosa, sempre qui da live cd\n<krabador> Ale55, chiudi l'installazione se l'hai fatta partire\n<krabador> apri gparted\n<krabador> fa uno screenshoot di uno e dell'altro disco\n<krabador> postali qui tramite imgur\n<krabador> !image | Ale55\n<ubot-it> Ale55: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<Ale55> ok ora te li posto\n<VITRON> scusate ho scaricato universal usb ma sono fermo al passo 2 \"browser\" che devo selezionare???\n<cristian_c> browse\n<cristian_c> VITRON, scegli il file .iso di ubuntu che hai scaricato\n<krabador> VITRON, la iso\n<krabador> fallo della 15.04\n<krabador> non installare la 14.10 per favore, tra poco esce dal supporto\n<Ale55> <krabador> http://imagebin.ca/v/22kSqjGNr75K\n<Ale55> <krabador> http://imagebin.ca/v/22kTJ8nVMW5O\n<VITRON> ma a mi chiedo una cosauna volta che istallo la mia versione e tra 3 mesi ne esce una nuova devo rifare ancora questa procedura ???\n<cristian_c> puoi avanzare\n<cristian_c> senza reinstallare\n<Ale55> <krabador> http://imagebin.ca/v/22kTfvtdQUpS\n<krabador> VITRON, no, puoi fare l'avanzamento\n<VITRON> ok\n<krabador> Ale55, sdc, non fa niente\n<akis24> sera\n<Ale55> sarebbe il terzo\n<Ale55> io dovrei lasciare intatto il Magazine\n<Ale55> che sarebbe il disoco da 80GB\n<Ale55> e formattare quello da 160\n<krabador> Ale55, allora, c'è un sistema nel primo disco?\n<krabador> sda\n<krabador> c'è un sistema all'interno ?\n<Ale55> si quello da 160 si windows7\n<krabador> Ale55, hai detto che di win7, non ti interessa niente ?\n<Ale55> assolutamente niente xche era diventato come una lumaca\n<Ale55> scusami gli errori grammaticali\n<Ale55> ma sono in live e ho la tastiera che non funziona come il solito\n<krabador> Ale55, allora, già qui da gparted è possibile predisporre il disco per l'installazione di ubuntu\n<Ale55> dimmi come fare cosi io predispongo gia'\n<krabador> cancelli le 2 partizioni e ne crei 3, che per ubuntu sarebbero destinate alla partizione root, la partizione home, e la partizione swap\n<krabador> in questo modo, durante l'installazione si vanno ad assegnare a mano , le partizioni, e devi solo aspettare che finisca\n<Ale55> allora cancello le due partizioni\n<VITRON> Krabador per l'istallazione mi serve la connessione al web con cavo o posso anche con wireless??\n<krabador> VITRON, serve la connessione web\n<Ale55> gparted non mi da' la possibilita di cancellare le partizioni\n<krabador> Ale55, non sbagliarti con sdb ;)\n<krabador> Ale55, devi smontarle\n<Ale55> io agisco sda\n<krabador> Ale55, tasto destro \"smonta\"\n<Ale55> tutto e due sda\n<Ale55> smonto tutto e le cancello\n<krabador> VITRON, serve la connessione ad internet, e , se fai partire il supporto di installazioen con l'opzione \"prova\" , e non direttamente con l'opzione installa\n<krabador> puoi vedere se funziona la wireless\n<krabador> in modo sa usare quella, come conessione ad internet durante l'isntallazione\n<krabador> VITRON, qual'ora non fosse compatibile, si puo' vedere se è di quelle installabili, sempre dalla sessione live\n<Ale55> <krabador> le tre partizioni che devo creare qunti gb per ognuna\n<krabador> Ale55, allora, fai una root di 20 / 30 giga , non di piu'\n<krabador> la home di quanto ti pare\n<krabador> e la swap , in base a quanta ram hai\n<krabador> quanta ram hai ?\n<Ale55> 2gb\n<krabador> allora una swap di 2gb\n<krabador> root ed home, filesystem ext4\n<krabador> swap , filesystem swap\n<Ale55> quando ho finito ti posto l'immagine\n<krabador> una volta create correttamente le partizioni , devi schiacciare la v verde, per confermare\n<krabador> esatto\n<krabador> posta immagine qui , prima di confermare\n<VITRON> Krabador fammi capire solo una cosa vediamo se riesco ad essere autonomo e non romperti anche dopo... quando avro finito di scaricare l'iso su sd come dovro avviare il pc da formattare con il nuovo ubuntu?\n<krabador> VITRON, se hai instenzione di avere solo ubuntu nel pc, ed ha un solo disco, puoi anche seguire l'installazione standard\n<krabador> e dire all'installer di usare tutto il disco ed aspettare che finisca l'installazione\n<krabador> !installazione | VITRON\n<ubot-it> VITRON: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<krabador> per tutto il resto , puoi trovare informazioni alla guida di installazione\n<VITRON> si solo ubuntu\n<krabador> VITRON, se hai problemi, chiedi pure qui\n<Ale55> <krabador> http://imagebin.ca/v/22ka6dRpO96B\n<paolo_> buonasera\n<VITRON> ok\n<krabador> !ciao | paolo_\n<ubot-it> paolo_: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<paolo_> volevo chiedere se era possibile mettere ubuntu nella pendrive in modo da portarlo anche in ufficio\n<paolo_> installato nella pen drive\n<krabador> Ale55, perchè 3,91 la swap ?\n<paolo_> grazie\n<krabador> come li hai assegnati , i valori delle dimensioni?\n<krabador> Ale55, fa una cosa, eliminale tutte, fa la swap per ultima, a destra\n<Ale55> ho messo root 20gb\n<Rebecca92> Ale55, stai per caso installando su un ssd ?\n<Ale55> <krabador> http://imagebin.ca/v/22kclUDYyEdh\n<Ale55> <Rebecca92> no hdd\n<Rebecca92> ok :)\n<krabador> Ale55, ok, puoi effettuare le modifiche\n<krabador> e far partire il supporto di installazione\n<Ale55> allora gli do la spunta verde\n<krabador> si\n<Ale55> e possibile che abbia gia' finito gparted\n<krabador> si, se avessi dovuto ridimensionare partizioni win\n<krabador> avresti dovuto aspettare anche un oretta\n<krabador> ma la creazione delle partizioni è un processo rapiso\n<krabador> *do\n<krabador> adesso puoi far partire l'installazione\n<krabador> quando ti chiederà dove installare\n<krabador> selezioni \"altro\"\n<krabador> ed assegni le 2 partizioni , root, e home\n<krabador> a mano\n<Ale55> io la faccio partire in caso ti chiedo\n<krabador> !installazione | Ale55\n<ubot-it> Ale55: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<krabador> selezionando \"altro\" ti verranno visualizzate le varie partizioni, selezioni la tua root\n<krabador> clicchi in basso a sinistra su un tasto \"change\"\n<krabador> selezionin \"file system ext4 con journaling\"\n<krabador> punto di mount \" / \"\n<krabador> stessa cosa per la home, soltanto che il punto di mount deve essere \" /home \"\n<krabador> ti assicuri che il boot loader finisca in sda, senza indicazione di partizione, sda liscio\n<krabador> che potrebbe esserti indicato dal menu a tendina con il nome stesso del disco rilevato\n<krabador> al che vai avanti tranquillamente e lasci fare tutto a lui\n<Ale55> scarico gli aggiornamenti durante l[installazione\n<Ale55> e software di terze parti\n<krabador> si, seleziona entrambi\n<Ale55> <krabador>http://imagebin.ca/v/22kgb5I0yZU6\n<Ale55> cosa faccio\n<krabador> vai avanti\n<krabador> non hai voluto staccare il disco\n<krabador> lui lo rileva\n<krabador> e ti da quel messaggio\n<Ale55> seleziono si o no\n<krabador> ti ho risposto\n<Ale55> provo con si\n<krabador> se si , lui smonta\n<krabador> e non te le elencherà \n<krabador> quando dovrai selezionare\n<krabador> è irrilevante cio' che rispondi\n<Ale55> io ho risposto si\n<krabador> in quanto successivamente andrai a selezionare a mano le partizioni\n<Ale55> <krabador> http://imagebin.ca/v/22kigy18huZO\n<krabador> Ale55, non ignorare quanto scritto in precedenza.\n<Ale55> e io gli ho dato si prima\n<Ale55> e' una cosa grave\n<krabador> Ale55, cosa fare in questo punto, ti è stato descritto alle 21:56\n<krabador> scorri i messaggi\n<krabador> e chiedi se non hai capito\n<Ale55> <krabador> http://imagebin.ca/v/22klGp4DSQrD\n<Ale55> cosi' va meglio\n<krabador> puoi andare avanti\n<Ale55> non devo dagli formatta da nessuna parte alora\n<krabador> Ale55, le hai appena create\n<krabador> sono vuote\n<Ale55> ok\n<krabador> ma se proprio vuoi, puoi\n<Ale55> vado avanti cosi'\n<krabador> per dare un'idea di partenza adesso\n<Ale55> se dici che va bene anche senza formattazione procedo cosi'\n<krabador> a scanso di equivoci, metti la spunta\n<krabador> ad home e root\n<krabador> e vai avanti\n<Ale55> <krabador> http://imagebin.ca/v/22kmtyu3Njkl\n<krabador> Ale55, scusami, ma ti serve qualcuno che prema avanti per te ?\n<Ale55> non vorrei fare disastri\n<krabador> ecco, ed il messaggio parla chiaro su quello che fa\n<krabador> hai piallato un disco, e si riferisce a quello\n<krabador> preoccupati quando a rischio c'è qualcosa che ti serve\n<Ivan87> Salve possibile avere aiuto?\n<krabador> Ivan87, fa la tua domanda\n<Ivan87> Allora devo installare ubuntu 15.04 su hd esterno\n<Ale55> <krabador> posso andare avanti allora o mi fermo\n<Ivan87> aspetta\n<Ivan87> all'avvio dell'installazione appare una finestra con scritto\n<Carlin0> Ivan87, perchè su hd esterno ?\n<Ivan87> la partizione assegnata a /boot, ha inizio a un offset di 1024 byte\n<Ivan87> d'allineamento minimo per questo disco\n<Ivan87> Io clicco avanti ma l'installazione non parte\n<Carlin0> evita la partizione /boot Ivan87\n<Ivan87> Comunque hd esterno perchè non ho un portatile e lo uso per lavoro in giro\n<Ivan87> ok quindi solo area di swap e partizione /?\n<krabador> Ivan87, ma hai intenzione di usare questa installazione su pc diversi?\n<Ivan87> Si certo, ho già ubuntu 14.04 su questo HD e lo uso ovunque\n<krabador> Ivan87, non è sempre assicurato che parta ovunque\n<Ivan87> Si ovviamentelo so, ma i pc dove lo uso io funziona sempre\n<krabador> Ivan87, se vuoi fare la stessa cosa, pialla questo disco, selezionalo a mano, in fase di installazione, ed assicurati che ci finisca grub dentro\n<krabador> e tanti saluti\n<Ivan87> In che modo?\n<krabador> Ivan87, non hai già 14.04 ?\n<Ivan87> Si\n<krabador> come hai fatto all'epoca?\n<Ivan87> Non ricordo purtroppo, l'ho fatto l'anno scorso\n<Ivan87> Qui adesso io scelgo come installazione altro\n<Ivan87> Creo l'area di swap\n<krabador> Ivan87, apri gparted, formatta il disco prima, ti conviene\n<Ivan87> Creo la partizione \"/\"\n<krabador> Ivan87, poi fai partire l'installazione , e le selezioni a mano , selezionando \"altro\"\n<krabador> Ivan87, quanta swap metti , in questo disco, che userai su vari pc ?\n<Ivan87> Posso? Ho la chiavetta con il live creato con unebootin\n<Ivan87> Io pensavo di mettere circa 8Gb come swap\n<Carlin0> ellapeppa\n<krabador> la swap, serve solo ad ibernare, se il pc, ha 4 gb ram\n<krabador> 8gb di swap non servono a niente\n<krabador> nel modo piu' assoluto\n<krabador> se non a rallentare il sistema\n<Ivan87> Non serve per velocizzare?\n<krabador> no\n<Carlin0> quanta ram hai su sti pc Ivan87 ?\n<krabador> leggi a rigurardo\n<Ivan87> Ah capito, comunque ho 8Gb di ram, e i pc dove lo utilizzo hanno tra i 6 3 gli 8 GB\n<krabador> Ivan87, se è un disco da installazione volante, non fare la swap\n<krabador> non ha senso , a meno di non far partire questo disco in un sistema con 1gb ram\n<Ivan87> Si quello lo so, intendevo dire che ho creato la USB di installazione con unebootin\n<Ivan87> Per poi installarlo su HD esterno\n<krabador> ecco, e la swap cosa dovrebbe riguradare?\n<Ivan87> La creo per l'HD esterno, e mi chiede di creare la swap\n<krabador> Ivan87, puo' segnalare che non c'è area di swap, ma l'installazione la fa\n<krabador> in ogni caso, fai come ti pare, ma 8gb non hanno senso\n<Carlin0> inolte non credo che ibernerai su un hd esterno\n<krabador> infatti\n<Ivan87> Ok quindi metto 1 o 2 Gb?\n<Ivan87> Uso l'ibernazione spesso a casa\n<krabador> Ivan87, cosa non è chiaro di \"fai come ti pare\" sul fronte swap ?\n<krabador> se i pc in cui lo userai , hanno almeno 4 gb, non serve , appunto se non con esigenza di ibernazione\n<Ivan87> Ok ok, Provo a creare solo la partizione con \"/\"\n<Ivan87> Sto provando in questo preciso momento\n<krabador> Ivan87, pialla il disco con gparted, fa una sola partizione ext4 di tutto il disco\n<Ivan87> Ok provo\n<krabador> fa partire l'installazione, seleziona \"altro\" quando ti chiede dove installare\n<Ivan87> Vi dico in live lo svolgimento del tutto\n<krabador> selezioni questo disco esterno, e , come detto prima, ti assicuri che grub finisca dentro il disco esterno\n<Ivan87> Ecco, grub non so cosa sia. E' il bootloader?\n<krabador> vai aventi , aspetti, enjoy .\n<krabador> Ivan87, è nella schermata \"altro\"\n<krabador> quando dovrai selezionare la partizione\n<Ivan87> Ok\n<krabador> ma , Ivan87 , sentiti pure libero\n<krabador> di chiarire leggendo la guida\n<krabador> !installazione | Ivan87\n<ubot-it> Ivan87: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<Ivan87> Grazie ubot-it\n<krabador> Ale55, come procede?\n<Ale55> sto installando\n<krabador> Ale55, perfetto\n<Ale55> spero bene\n<krabador> Ale55, una volta che il bootloader era assegnato al disco sda, le partizioni sono state indicate in quel modo\n<krabador> non ci sono rischi che succceda nulla\n<krabador> hai scelto l'utente?\n<Ale55> si\n<Ale55> so\n<krabador> come hai impostato l'accesso\n<krabador> automatico?\n<Ale55> si con password\n<krabador> automatico è sconsigliabile\n<krabador> ottimo\n<Ivan87> Mi spunta sempre la stessa finestra con scritto: \"La partizione /dev/dìsdc1 assegnata a /, ha inizio a un offset di 3584 byte dall'allineamento minimo per questo disco: potrebbe portare a prestazioni non ottimali\"\n<krabador> la password è sempre meglio , in quanto puo' servire gestire parametri di caricamento\n<Ivan87> Che cosa vuol dire?\n<Ale55> ho installato la 14.04\n<krabador> Ivan87, se sei in live\n<krabador> manda schermate del problema\n<krabador> !image | Ivan87\n<ubot-it> Ivan87: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<Ale55> Ora ha terminato l'installazione\n<Ivan87> Sto usando un altro pc per fare tutto\n<krabador> Ale55, beh, ti chiederà di riavviare, riavvia pure\n<Ale55> devo riavviare il pc e poi ritorno\n<Ivan87> aspetta provo a fare una cosa\n<Carlin0> Ivan87, connettiti con l'altro\n<krabador> Ivan87, senti, come già segnalatoti, carica ubuntu in live, fa partire gparted pialla il disco, con una sola partizione\n<krabador> fa partire l'instalazione\n<krabador> se gparted da problemi, segnalali direttamente mandando screen\n<krabador> di quello che fa\n<Ivan87> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/QbIglhOcQGipZ9pmH7uD\n<Ivan87> Ora ti faccio vedere cosa c'è all'avvio del live\n<krabador> Ivan87, senti\n<krabador> ma gparted\n<krabador> prima di far partire l'installazione , lo vuoi usare o no?\n<krabador> hai voglia di prendere in giro?\n<Ivan87> Non lo vedo gparted all'avvio della penna usb, ora ti mostro\n<krabador> Ivan87, ctrl alt t\n<Ivan87> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/UV03Wu9ISZmlqgH9oj7W\n<krabador> sudo gparted\n<krabador> niente di piu' niente di meno\n<krabador> quando carichi la sessione live\n<Ale55> <krabador> rieccomi con il S.O installato\n<krabador> tra l'altro unetbootin è discretamente sconsigliabile\n<Ivan87> Giuro che non lo sapevo si potesse fare, scusa la mia ignoranza\n<Ale55> TI RINGRAZIO MOLTISSIMO\n<krabador> Ale55, bene\n<krabador> :D\n<krabador> Ale55, allora adesso , puoi fare una cosa molto semplice\n<krabador> Ale55, apri un terminale\n<krabador> ctrl alt t\n<krabador> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade\n<krabador> e una volta che ha finito , sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras\n<Ale55> e cambio versione cosi'?\n<Ivan87> gparted non mi vede l'HD esterno, mannaggia\n<krabador> no, ti fa l'aggiornamento\n<Ivan87> risolto\n<krabador> Ale55, ti fa l'aggiornamento dei pacchetti della versione\n<Ale55> ok ottimo\n<krabador> Ale55, la 14.04 è mantenuta 5 anni\n<Ale55> per quello ho messo questa versione\n<Ale55> ti chiedo è possibile avere in qualche modo gnome desktop\n<Ale55> perchè con unity non vado al massimo\n<krabador> Ale55, questa è la tipica domanda , che sarebbe stato il caso di farla prima\n<krabador> Ale55, in quanto potevi scaricare ed installare, proprio ubuntu gnome\n<krabador> con gnome all'interno\n<Ale55> e non si può fare ora\n<VITRON> rieccomi\n<krabador> aggiungere ambienti grafici successivamente , non è proprio il massimo\n<krabador> Ale55, si puo' fare,\n<VITRON> scusatemi sto seguendo la guida per l'istllazione\n<krabador> solo che inizi a sminchiare i default\n<krabador> eccetera\n<krabador> Ale55, se hai tempo e voglia, scarica ed installa direttamente la versione di ubuntu, con l'ambiente grafico che fa al caso tuo\n<VITRON> ma quando riavvio per leggere dal usb non lo fa e mi avvia sempre il windows\n<krabador> VITRON, quanti anni ha il pc?\n<Ale55> meglio che resta con unity allora\n<VITRON> ho impostato su boot come prima scelta usb\n<krabador> VITRON, conviene formattare la pendrive, e rifarla , sempre con lo stesso programma, in caso di problemi\n<VITRON> non saprei 2 o 3\n<Ale55> ed abituarmi a questo ambiente che dici\n<VITRON> ok provo\n<Carlin0> Ale55, potevi anche provare xubuntu ...\n<Ivan87> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/a0kYu7QMTvSMKSb86JqX\n<Carlin0> xfce è totalmente diverso da unity\n<Ivan87> cosa devo fare per l'esattezza?\n<krabador> Ale55, se vuoi installarlo lo stesso, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop\n<krabador> Ale55, al riavvio, selezioni dalla schermata di login , gnome ,cliccando sul pulsante accando ad user name\n<VITRON> che impostaazioni di formattazione mi consigli?\n<Ale55> si ma se me lo sconsigli non lo faccio\n<krabador> VITRON, che sistema usi per la formattazione?\n<krabador> Ale55, hai appena installato, fa pure qualche prova, se distruggi qualcosa, reinstalli\n<VITRON> win 7 profes.\n<krabador> VITRON, formattazione completa, fat32\n<VITRON> ok\n<Ivan87> Allora, formattato tutto, adesso riprovo l'installazione, grazie comunque per l'aiuto, siete molto gentili e disponibili\n<krabador> Ivan87, preoccupati che il boot loader finisca nel disco esterno\n<krabador> senza numero di partizione\n<krabador> ma come sdc , se il disco esterno è sdc\n<Ivan87> Perfetto :)\n<VITRON> Krabador il pc ha 6 anni\n<VITRON> Asus k50c\n<krabador> VITRON, allora dovresti avere anche un tasto di selezione del boot rapido\n<krabador> in avvio\n<krabador> tipo f12\n<krabador> seleziona , una volta fatta, la pendrive con quello\n<VITRON> cioè premendo f12 entro nel boot\n<VITRON> ??\n<VITRON> mi apre la cartella PC\n<VITRON> Computer\n<Carlin0> all'avvio del pc VITRON\n<Ivan87> VITRON all'avvio del pc appare una schermata con l\n<Ivan87> scritto premi f12 o altro per boot\n<VITRON> ok\n<f843d0> Talvolta anche F8\n<VITRON> :P scusate l'ignoranza\n<Ale55> <krabador> ho fatto i due comandi che mi avevi suggerito\n<Ale55> mi chiede di Eula\n<Ale55> gli do si che accetto le condizioni\n<VITRON> ok ho riformattato e installato nella micro sd l'iso di ubuntu ora riprovo\n<Ale55> <krabador> gli devo dare altri comandi oppure è finito cosi'\n<Ivan87> Ragazzi usate la punteggiatura così si capisce cosa volete dire.\n<Ivan87> Ale55 era una domanda?\n<Ale55> si\n<Ale55> scusa per la punteggiatura\n<Ivan87> Ma tranquillo, è solo per capire meglio :)\n<Carlin0> Ale55, che comando hai dato ?\n<Ale55> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade\n<VITRON> Kabrador Boot setting configuration ---> quit Boot [disabled] .... E' corretto?\n<Ale55> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras\n<Carlin0> Ale55, ha dato errori ?\n<Ale55> no nessun errore\n<Carlin0> Ale55, dovresti essere a posto\n<Ale55> <Carlin0> allora mi tengo unity\n<Ale55> ?\n<Carlin0> Ale55, quello lo devi decidere tu\n<VITRON> mentre in boot device Priority ho : 1st Removable devace - 2st Network - 3st cd/dvd - 4st Hard Device.....Onboard LAN boot ROM [Disabled] E' tutto corretto???\n<Carlin0> a me personalmente non piace , preferisco xfce\n<Ivan87> Scusate ancora, allora ho formattato l'HD, ho scelto per l'installazione \"Altro\", poi ho fatto l'unica partizione con / ed avvio, ma parte sempre la solita schermata, se clicco avanti non succede nulla\n<Ivan87> Cosa dovrei fare a questo punto?\n<Ale55> e ma krabador diceva che ormai che ho installato ubuntu 14.04 lo dovevo far prima questa cosa altrimenti\n<Carlin0> <krabador> Ale55, se vuoi installarlo lo stesso, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop\n<Carlin0> bhe certo se ti decidevi prima era meglio\n<Ivan87> Aiuto per piacere :(\n<Ale55> meglio gnome o xfce\n<Ale55> ?\n<Mr_Pan> personalmente preferisco xfce ma è una scelta tua ....\n<Carlin0> Ivan87, non ti da nessun errore ?\n<Carlin0> Ale55, è solo questione di gusti\n<Ivan87> No solo la schermata per l'offset\n<Ale55> siete gia in due che mi dite xfce\n<Carlin0> eh ma allora Ale55 dovevi installare xubuntu\n<Ale55> Allora intanto installo gnome desktop\n<Ivan87> Ok ho capito, mi sa che la migliore cosa è lasciar perdere, Non riesco proprio, non da alcun errore ma non parte l'installazione\n<Ale55> meglio gdm o lightgdm\n<Ivan87> Dite che il problema possa essere la chiavetta usb live?\n<Carlin0> Ivan87, dire senza vedere ... è sparare a caso\n<Ivan87> Ti metto l'immagine, prova a dare un'occhiata.\n<Ivan87> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/QbIglhOcQGipZ9pmH7uD\n<Ale55> meglio gdm o lightgdm?\n<Carlin0> ma scusa ... perchè non vieni qui col pc dove installi e ci fai vedere delle immagini + nitide\n<Carlin0> Ale55, cambia poco su\n<Ivan87> Perchè la live non si connette al wifi purtroppo\n<Carlin0> gdm è specifico per gnome\n<Ivan87> Anche se digito la pw giusta\n<Carlin0> collega via cavo\n<Ale55> ok grazie <Carlin0>\n<VITRON> Perdonatemi il sistema al riavvio mi da questo messaggio e non mi legge la porta usb per l'istallazione: express gate is not istalled on your system or the istallation is incomplete to get internet access within seconds of startingyour computer.please use express gate installer to install epress gate... pOTETE AIUTARMI??????\n<Ivan87> Non mi è possibile utilizzare il cavo al momento, sono a casa della mia ragazza e non posso andare in camera dei suoi per collegarmi\n<Ivan87> Posso solo il wifi\n<VITRON> mi sa che butto via tutto e mi vado a comprare un bel win 8 nuovo nuovo meso seghe e ore davanti a un cazzo di pc che non funziona\n<VITRON> VI ringrazio cmq ciao buona serata\n<cristian_c> allora\n<cristian_c> VITRON, puoi riassumere il problema?\n<cristian_c> Ivan87, lo stesso anche per te\n<VITRON> veramente voprrei andare a letto pensavo fosse più semplice per come ne ne avevano parlato\n<cristian_c> VITRON, io non ho seguito\n<VITRON> e da prima di cena che provo ad istallare ubuntu\n<cristian_c> VITRON, hai provato in live, prima di installare?\n<cristian_c> prima si prova in live, poi se tutto va bene, si installa\n<VITRON> in live che intendi\n<cristian_c> VITRON, 'prova ubuntu senza installare' invece dell'opzione 'installa'\n<cristian_c> appare nella schermata di scelta\n<cristian_c> !installazione\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<VITRON> io con kabrador ero arrivato alla creazione ddella usb iso\n<cristian_c> VITRON, questa qua: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Standard?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=1004-0.png\n<Ivan87> Eccomi dal pc corretto, sono riuscito a connettermi\n<Ivan87> Riprovo tutto, in ogni caso come si fa lo snapshot su ubuntu_\n<cristian_c> VITRON, oppure questa: https://assets.ubuntu.com/sites/ubuntu/latest/u/img/download/desktop/try-ubuntu-before-you-install/image-tryubuntubeforeyouinstall-1.jpg\n<cristian_c> Ivan87, ahh, lo screenshot?\n<cristian_c> VITRON, la usb puoi pure utilizzarla in modalità live\n<Ivan87> si scusa, colpa del troppo utilizzo di git\n<cristian_c> VITRON, se fai il boot da usb, dovresti poter arrivare al desktop, scegliendo 'Prova ubuntu senza installarlo'\n<cristian_c> Ivan87, tasto stamp, è la scorciatoia universale\n<VITRON> non ci arrivo\n<cristian_c> ci sono applicazioni preinstallate che lo fanno, ma stamp è più veloce\n<VITRON> Perdonatemi il sistema al riavvio mi da questo messaggio e non mi legge la porta usb per l'istallazione: express gate is not istalled on your system or the istallation is incomplete to get internet access within seconds of startingyour computer.please use express gate installer to install epress gate.\n<VITRON> e si avvia win 7\n<cristian_c> VITRON, ah quindi non riesci a fare neanche il boot da usb?\n<Ivan87> Grazie cristian/c\n<VITRON> l'ho impostato ma non la legge la usb\n<[Jano]> VITRON: Shutdown WINDOWS _°_\n<VITRON> Ehhh???\n<Ivan87> Vitron significa spegni windows\n<cristian_c> VITRON, trovato qualcosa.\n<VITRON> asp sto cercando di provarlo live\n<cristian_c> VITRON, asus?\n<VITRON> naturalmente vi scrivo da un altro pc\n<VITRON> si ASUS k50c di 6 anni fa\n<cristian_c> VITRON, infatti esce un risultato su google\n<cristian_c> proprio per il k50c\n<cristian_c> casualmente :D\n<VITRON> che risultato?\n<Ivan87> Sto aspettando che la partizione si formatti :(\n<cristian_c> dove un utente ha segnalato lo stesso problema\n<Ivan87> Un'ora cavolo\n<cristian_c> VITRON, per caso hai partizionato il disco?\n<VITRON> no\n<cristian_c> ok\n<cristian_c> VITRON, devi disabilitare quell'opzione\n<cristian_c> entrando nel bios\n<sawyer> salve ragazzi, ho una informazione da chiedere..secondo voi è normale che con un core duo e4300, nvidia 9600gt e 2gb ram ubuntu e unity girino un po lentino?\n<cristian_c> disabilitare l'opzione express gate nel bios\n<cristian_c> sawyer, secondo me sì\n<cristian_c> sawyer, xubuntu ci girerebbe meglio\n<VITRON> Cristin_c come lo faccio\n<VITRON> da f2?\n<cristian_c> VITRON, a entrare nel bios?\n<cristian_c> VITRON, sì\n<cristian_c> ho un asus e ci entro con f2\n<VITRON> e poi?\n<Mr_Pan> sawyer, unity ciuccia... è pesante... prova xubuntu con xfce\n<sawyer> capisco grazie, effettivamente sul mio portatile gira meglio\n<cristian_c> VITRON, poi cerchi l'opzione nel bios\n<cristian_c> sawyer, in ogni caso, fai prima una prova in live\n<sawyer> la cosa strana che sul mio laptop che ha una hd4000 della intel gira cmq piu' reattivo l'OS\n<sawyer> pero li cpu e ram sono di gran lunga superiori\n<cristian_c> VITRON, express gate da quanto leggo è un mini sistema caricato all'avvio del pc\n<cristian_c> e ripartizionando potrebbe essere andato perso\n<Ivan87> Vi lascio per un po, intanto aspetto che riesca a formattare prima dell-installazione\n<Carlin0> sawyer, più che altro è un po scarsa la cpu\n<sawyer> ehh gia'\n<Carlin0> 1.8 Ghz\n<VITRON> ok Cristal_c prima di fare questo tentativo vorrei pravare come mi hai detto ad usare live ubuntu\n<sawyer> no il e4300 gira a 2,4 ghz\n<VITRON> sono andato sul link che im hai mandato e ho cliccato scarica ma non succede nulla\n<sawyer> pero' è proprio l'architettura della cpu che ha fatto il suo tempo oramai\n<Carlin0> sawyer, 1.8Ghz per 2 http://ark.intel.com/it/products/28024/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-E4300-2M-Cache-1_80-GHz-800-MHz-FSB\n<cristian_c> VITRON, cosa vorresti scaricare?\n<sawyer> sorry il mio è l'e4600\n<cristian_c> VITRON, entra nel bios e disattiva l'opzione express gate\n<cristian_c> molto semplicemente\n<cristian_c> in modo da poter eseguire il boot da usb\n<VITRON> no ok adesso ho capito com'è è sono un link che mi mostra come eseguire l'istallazione\n<cristian_c> eh sì\n<VITRON> allora il mio problema è riuscire a far partire l'iso\n<VITRON> non ci arrivo a quel punto\n<cristian_c> VITRON, devi sistemare il boot da usb\n<cristian_c> come ti ho spiegato\n<VITRON> l'ho fatto\n<VITRON> mentre in boot device Priority ho : 1st Removable devace - 2st Network - 3st cd/dvd - 4st Hard Device.....Onboard LAN boot ROM [Disabled] E' tutto corretto???\n<cristian_c> VITRON, l'hai disattivata?\n<cristian_c> express gate\n<cristian_c> VITRON, a me l'ordine di boot sembra corretto\n<VITRON> adesso lo faccio... spengo il notebook\n<cristian_c> VITRON, puoi anche riavviarlo\n<cristian_c> con un reboot\n<VITRON> vediamo se trovo sto express\n<cristian_c> VITRON, di essere dovrebbe esserci\n<VITRON> sono nel bios\n<VITRON> dove devo cercare\n<Ivan87> Ecco che si ripresenta il problema uffi\n<Ivan87> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/2ciUIQl28cYQUJfHGAkm\n<Ivan87> cristian c\n<Ivan87> daresti un occhiaa\n<Ivan87> occhiata\n<VITRON> Boot setting configuration ---> quit Boot [disabled] .... E' corretto? o devo impostare Enabled???\n<Ivan87> Qualcuno sa cosa significa quella schermata_\n<cristian_c> allora\n<Ivan87> Perche in ext 2 non mi da lo stesso errore\n<cristian_c> VITRON, alcuni dicono che hanno risolto disinstallandolo\n<cristian_c> ma non è essenziale\n<cristian_c> VITRON, quale sistema è installato attualmente?\n<VITRON> win 7\n<Ivan87> che differenza c'e tra ext4 e ext2?\n<cristian_c> VITRON, ok, allora dovresti disintallare express gate da lì\n<cristian_c> *disinstallare\n<VITRON> dal setup del bios devo fare altro oltre a cambiare l'ordine di boot?\n<cristian_c> VITRON, sembra di no\n<cristian_c> almeno nel video youtube non vedo altre opzioni\n<VITRON> quindi disinstallo express gate da dove da win7\n<Ivan87> cristian_c sapresti rispondere alla mia domanda please?\n<cristian_c> Ivan87, su quel disco cosa c'è?\n<cristian_c> VITRON, sì, da windows\n<Ivan87> Al momento nulla\n<Ivan87> E' formattato\n<cristian_c> VITRON, anzi\n<cristian_c> VITRON, nel bios hai un menù di nome Tools?\n<VITRON> dimmi\n<cristian_c> Ivan87, allora, se non hai nulla, rifai la tabella della partizioni\n<VITRON> devo riavviare\n<cristian_c> e poi crea le partizioni come si deve\n<cristian_c> VITRON, controlla di avere Tools, oltre a Boot\n<VITRON> e poi\n<Ivan87> Fatto, ma con ext4 o ext3 non installa\n<cristian_c> 1. Enter BIOS settings and go to [Tools] to select ExpressGate and set option to [Disabled]. Prss F10 to save and exit.\n<cristian_c> Ivan87, ma non devi semplicemente creare partizioni sul disco?\n<Ivan87> E' un HD Seagate da 500Gb UISB3\n<VITRON> ok provo\n<Ivan87> Si certo che devo semplicemente creare partizioni del disco\n<cristian_c> Ivan87, allora rifai la tabella delle partizioni\n<Ivan87> Io la creo piena, quindi tutti e 500Gb con punto di mount /\n<cristian_c> e crea partizioni adatte per ubuntu\n<Ivan87> Ho solo un'unica partizione in FAT32\n<cristian_c> Ivan87, suggerita ext4, per vari motivi\n<cristian_c> Ivan87, non serve la fat\n<Ivan87> E cosa ntfs?\n<cristian_c> neanche\n<cristian_c> <cristian_c> Ivan87, suggerita ext4, per vari motivi\n<VITRON> sono nel bios\n<cristian_c> VITRON, ok, controlla se c'è Tools\n<cristian_c> 1. Enter BIOS settings and go to [Tools] to select ExpressGate and set option to [Disabled]. Prss F10 to save and exit.\n<cristian_c> io trovo questo sul sito asus\n<VITRON> nel menu del setup ho Main Advanced Security Boot Exit\n<cristian_c> cos'hai in Advanced?\n<[Jano]> Non è possibile . . . Ciao a Tutti\n<VITRON> come ti mando una foto?\n<Ivan87> Ragazzi per stasera rinuncio, ci penso domani, notte a tutti e grazie davvero del supporto\n<cristian_c> !image\n<ubot-it> Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<Ivan87> Buona continuazione\n<Mr_Pan> notte Ivan87\n<Mr_Pan> [Jano], ciao\n<cristian_c> with the bios version 211 there is no option for disable the express gate led's.\n<[Jano]> Mr_Pan: Ciao, non riesco a vedere/leggere queste cose . veramente, scusate\n * Luciph3r saluta\n<Mr_Pan> [Jano], quali ?\n * Luciph3r saluta\n<[Jano]> Mr_Pan: Non riuscire a installare Ubuntu e veramente impossibile\n<cristian_c> VITRON, comunque, alcuni dicevano che avevano aggirato il problema facendo il boot da cd/dvd\n<Mr_Pan> [Jano], e vabbè ha un problema con un'impostazione del bios che non lascia installare ... è una situazione particolare...\n<VITRON> lo so ma pare non mi funzioni il lettore non saprei\n<[Jano]> Mr_Pan: Peccato che ha un IP con tutte le porte chiuse (Fastweb) senno lo installavo a distanza §°_\n<VITRON> cmq ho caricato l'img nel sito ma come estraggo un link da mandarti?\n<cristian_c> VITRON, quale sito?\n<cristian_c> VITRON, su win 7 i cd vengono visti?\n<VITRON> http://imgur.com/jkHkhKv\n<cristian_c> ok, vista la schermata\n<cristian_c> VITRON, su win 7 i cd vengono visti?\n<VITRON> no\n<cristian_c> ok, quindi è fuori uso\n<VITRON> non li apre\n<cristian_c> VITRON, come hai creato l'usb?\n<VITRON> universal\n<cristian_c> VITRON, quel pc è stato venduto con windows 7?\n<VITRON> si credo di si l'ho presi usato\n<cristian_c> allora non puoi sapere se è stato ripartizionato o meno\n<cristian_c> se è stato ripartizionato, ecco i problemi di express gate\n<[Jano]> VITRON: Utilizzo Ubuntu dalla versione 5.04, e se non ero capace di installare (e prima era diverso) non entravo neanche in chat\n<cristian_c> VITRON, dovresti ripristinare il settore di boot\n<cristian_c> in modo che non compaia più quel messaggio di errore\n<cristian_c> VITRON, ma quando inserisci la usb con ubuntu, esattamente cosa accade?\n<cristian_c> minuto per minuto, diciamo\n<[Jano]> cristian_c: se Windows parte perchè deve ripristinare MBR, non creargli confusione\n<Mr_Pan> [Jano], questo è un canale di supporto proprio per chi non è in grado di risolvere i problemi da se ..\n<cristian_c> Funziona anche da chiavetta. Non ho mai provato il ripristino del master boot record di Win7, ma se non sbaglio la procedura che riscrive il settore di boot dovrebbe essere abbastanza semplice. Con XP si accedeva alla console e poi si davano in successione i comandi \"fixboot\" e \"fixmbr\" - See more at: http://forum.eeepc.it/viewtopic.php?id=12403&p=2#sthash.8oM7RAW5.dpuf\n<cristian_c> ops\n<cristian_c> :D\n<[Jano]> Mr_Pan: Vero hai ragione, scusa ma e difficile *_°\n<cristian_c> [Jano], il fatto è che ci dovrebbe essere una riga che mostra l'avvio di express gate e potrebbe dare problemi su quel portatile\n<VITRON> sentite vedo che vi sto creando fastidi e dato che non si può istallare vi lascio lavorare in santa pace domani mi compro un bel pc nuovo e vaffa... spoeravo di potyer istallare dato che amici lo usano e non hanno mai avuto tutti sti problemi\n<VITRON> cmq la pen drive è perfetta dentro c'è l'intera iso\n<VITRON> e quando la inserisco non fa un cazz\n<cristian_c> VITRON, eh, ma non hai risposto alle domande\n<cristian_c> VITRON, l'ordine di boot era giusto?\n<VITRON> si\n<cristian_c> (era quello che avevi mostrato prima?)\n<VITRON> quello che ti ho inviato\n<[Jano]> VITRON: No, assolutamente, scusami, andate avanti.\n<cristian_c> con removable device al primo posto\n<VITRON> si\n<cristian_c> [Jano], secondo me, lui deve ripristinare l'mbr per risolvere il problema\n<cristian_c> VITRON, ah, una cosa, hai controllato l'md5 del file .iso?\n<VITRON> che diavolo è mbr\n<cristian_c> quale file .iso hai scaricato\n<[Jano]> cristian_c: Se Windows si avvia regolarmente no\n<cristian_c> VITRON, mbr è il master boot record\n<cristian_c> [Jano], sì, ma c'è anche quel mini OS che asus ha inserito e che rompe le scatole\n<cristian_c> [Jano], non so se hai letto il messaggio di errore che ha postato all'inizio\n<[Jano]> cristian_c: no\n<[Jano]> cristian_c: scusa\n<cristian_c> <VITRON> Perdonatemi il sistema al riavvio mi da questo messaggio e non mi legge la porta usb per l'istallazione: express gate is not istalled on your system or the istallation is incomplete to get internet access within seconds of startingyour computer.please use express gate installer to install epress gate.\n<VITRON> ubuntu-15.04-desktop-amd64\n<cristian_c> VITRON, ahhhhh\n<cristian_c> VITRON, il tuo pc è a 64 bit?\n<cristian_c> processore\n<[Jano]> cristian_c: il suo modello si\n<[Jano]> VITRON: Dal BIOS disabilita \"Express gate\" e installa normalmente\n<VITRON> http://imgur.com/iLJOP19\n<cristian_c> [Jano], non riesce a trovare l'opzione nel bios\n<VITRON> jano se mi dici come lo disabito lo faccio subito\n<cristian_c> Tipo processore \tIntel celeron m\n<cristian_c> VITRON, io andrei di lubuntu\n<[Jano]> VITRON: Nel BIOS --> ultima TAB --> Fai un LOAD DEFAULT --> Salva ed esci. Poi metti il CD\n<cristian_c> GRAFICA\n<cristian_c> Integrata Sì Produttore SiS\n<cristian_c> Modello SIS M672\n<[Jano]> VITRON: Se non parte, vai nel TAB per modificare l'avvio e dai priorità al DVD/CD\n<cristian_c> grafica orrenda\n<cristian_c> [Jano], ha il cd fuori uso\n<cristian_c> *lettore\n<cristian_c> [Jano], ha detto, per forza usb\n<[Jano]> cristian_c: Allora che lo cambi, cavolo\n<cristian_c> [Jano], è quello che ha detto di voler fare :D\n<Carlin0> oppure usa un lettore esterno\n<cristian_c> <[Jano]> VITRON: Nel BIOS --> ultima TAB --> Fai un LOAD DEFAULT --> Salva ed esci. Poi metti il CD\n<[Jano]> cristian_c: a.. solo USB\n<cristian_c> VITRON, comunque, sì, ti conviene tentare un load default\n<[Jano]> VITRON: Fai un \"load default\" e poi ricominci\n<cristian_c> Carlin0, comunque, il pc è scarsotto per via del procio e della scheda grafica\n<cristian_c> anche con ubuntu darebbe problemi\n<cristian_c> di compatibilità \n<cristian_c> con le nuove versioni del sistema\n<Carlin0> cristian_c, appunto forse non gli conviene cambiare lettore , magari trova chi gli presta uno esterno\n<cristian_c> Carlin0, eh, dipende da lui\n<cristian_c> ma ne vale la pena?\n<VITRON> nell'ultima tab in exit ho Load User Defaults e Load manufacture defaults\n<Carlin0> la sis la feci girare anni fa su debian squeeze\n<cristian_c> VITRON, non saprei quale dei due\n<cristian_c> [Jano], idee?\n<cristian_c> Carlin0, sì, anni fa è un conto, ora con i nuovi kernel è tutta un'altra storia\n<cristian_c> hanno tagliato il supporto\n<Carlin0> e lo so\n<cristian_c> in un certo senso\n<VITRON> raga sono sicuro che avete di meglio domani lo faccio formattarea zero con win e poi provo ad istallare linux\n<cristian_c> Carlin0, e quindi bisogna come minimo pacioccare\n<cristian_c> xorg\n<VITRON> magari il lettore mi riparte\n<cristian_c> VITRON, se proprio vuoi insistere con quel pc, usa un lettore cd/dvd esterno\n<[Jano]> VITRON: Non si formatta un questo motivo, ricordalo *°_\n<VITRON> peccato la soluzione della penna sembrava carina\n<cristian_c> che è la cosa migliore\n<cristian_c> VITRON, per bypassare il problema\n<VITRON> ok\n<VITRON> provo lettore est.\n<VITRON> vi faccio sapere\n<VITRON> ciao e grazie\n<cristian_c> anzi, io ne devo acquistare uno e l'altro giorno non l'ho preso perché non l'avevano :P\n<cristian_c> VITRON, ok, buona notte\n<Mr_Pan> cristian_c, ma chi vende ancora lettori dvd/cd ....\n<[Jano]> VITRON: peggio, se il CD/DVD non va e neanche la USB. . .Ma non ci credo. .\n<[Jano]> VITRON: Con DVD exeternal non andra meglio\n<cristian_c> [Jano], i netbook non hanno mai avuto il lettore\n<cristian_c> [Jano], la usb dovrebbe funzionare, quindi anche il lettore usb\n<[Jano]> cristian_c: Appunto, da USB deve riuscire\n<cristian_c> [Jano], ok, ma il suo è un pc particolare\n<cristian_c> pacioccato da asus\n<Carlin0> il lettore esterno però viene visto come lettore e lo puoi usare anche dove non è supportato il bot da usb\n<cristian_c> e visto che l'ha acquistato usato, probabilmente non è stato venduto dal produttore con win 7\n<cristian_c> concordo con Carlin0\n<cristian_c> Carlin0, comunque, quel pc ha il boot da usb\n<cristian_c> è uscito sicuramente dopo il 2007\n<[Jano]> cristian_c: Be, forse e vero, a distanza sembra tutto facile !!\n<[Jano]> cristian_c: Senza il PC in mano è difficile dare consigli\n<cristian_c> Anno di rilascio \t2009\n<cristian_c> non è vecchio, il problema è il processore scarso\n<cristian_c> e la vga pessima\n<Carlin0> la sis è proprio una croce :P\n<cristian_c> il boot da usb ce l'avrà sicuramente, quindi anche da lettore usb\n<cristian_c> Carlin0, vero\n<[Jano]> Io su uno dei miei server uso una 10.04 che vola !! con un Pentium 3, dai ragazzi ..consuma meno). Digli di mettere una 12.04 (anche se la 14.04\n<[Jano]> Tutti i sever vanno con 10.04, l'ultima vera release Ubuntu/Linux, poi hanno fatto troppo casino\n<Carlin0> la 10.04 era basata su squeeze\n<Mr_Pan> [Jano], ma il supporto ? ? ?pure se LTS 5 anni sono passati ..\n<[Jano]> Vabbe ora siamo OT, pensiamo al problema di VITRON\n<[Jano]> Mr_Pan: Meglio\n<[Jano]> Mr_Pan: Sistema che funziona non si cambia (sui server), ti assicuro che la 10.04 è l'ultima nata UBUNTU, poi si sono sbizzarriti.\n<Carlin0> lucid fu una gran bella release\n<Carlin0> e cmq all'epoca aveva ancora solo 2 anni di supporto mi pare\n<[Jano]> Carlin0: Già , per mettere a posto la 12.04 già ci si faceva fatica (gia erano cambiate le cose) comunque adesso siamo ridotti come usare sti caz.... di telefonini. Solo Icone da usare per gli andicap... Come il Windows 3\n<Mr_Pan> [Jano], ok quello che funziona non si cambia... ma resta il fatto che non hai più supporto... e poi mica devi rimanere su ubuntu...\n<Carlin0> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Mr_Pan> giusto\n<Mr_Pan> [Jano], devi venire di la\n<[Jano]> Mr_Pan: Il mio canale è #aircrack-ng, PS Carlin0 Ha ragione. Buona notte a tutti, Grazie per la compagnia. Ciao\n#ubuntu-it 2015-05-24\n<akis24> giorno\n<Mr_Pan> akis24, ciao\n<akis24> ciao Mr_Pan\n<ufalc> qualcuno puo darmi una mano?\n<Torpedo_Smash> salve ragazzi, ho installato ubuntu 15.04 sul mio notebook da qualche settimana ormai, ma da oggi non si sentono gli auricolari quando li connetto. Gli auricilari sono perfettamente funzionanti inquanto li ho provato anche sul mio Nexus 4\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, ubuntu con unity?\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, sì\n<Torpedo_Smash> provengo da Kubuntu 14.10, ma ho fatto un'installazione pulita\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, apri le impostazioni audio\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, fatto\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, posta una schermata\n<cristian_c> !image\n<ubot-it> Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, ci sta mettendo un po' :)\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, si è bloccato te lo carico da un'altra parte\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, https://flic.kr/p/sx3gMX\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, hai fatto clic sul pulsante?\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, che pulsante?\n<cristian_c> 'Suono di prova'\n<maurizio> !list\n<ubot-it> questo non è un canale per scaricare o di condivisione di contenuti\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, sì, ma non sento nulla\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, apri un terminale\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, fatto\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, e digita: sudo apt-get update\n<cristian_c> !paste | Torpedo_Smash\n<costi88> Ciao a tutti volevo qualche info su ubuntu sono totalmente inesperto chi può aiutarmi?\n<ubot-it> Torpedo_Smash: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<maurizio> salve ragazzi si potrebbe fare una ricerca generale di un file come su mirc chi mi puo aiutare?\n<Mr_Pan> !aiuto | costi88\n<ubot-it> costi88: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<Mr_Pan> !qualcuno | costi88\n<ubot-it> costi88: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<cristian_c> !documentazione | costi88\n<ubot-it> costi88: Documentazione ufficiale http://help.ubuntu-it.org - Documentazione della comunità http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Documentazione - Gruppo documentazione: pagina principale http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoDocumentazione\n<cristian_c> maurizio, su quale ubuntu?\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11326341/\n<costi88> Possiedo un vecchio sony vaio dual core a 32bit, 2gb di ram ddr2, Hard disk da 160gb attualmente come sistema operativo ho seven. Può andar bene ubuntu 15,04 su questo tipo di pc? avrei anche un miglioramento delle prestazioni ?\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, solo con ubuntu riscontri il problema?\n<maurizio> intendo se su x chat si puo fare una ricerca di un file senza chiedere una lista come facevo su mirc capito\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, e solo con le cuffie?\n<cristian_c> costi88, beh, io ti consiglio xubuntu\n<cristian_c> costi88, in ogni caso, puoi provarlo in live, prima di installare su hard disk\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, non ho altri sistemi, le casse si sentono bene\n<cristian_c> maurizio, cosa c'entra con ubuntu?\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, ok\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, apri alsamixer\n<maurizio> no infatti io usavo windows\n<maurizio> e adesso uso ubuntu\n<costi88> La prova in live si fa senza installare e ovviamente non rischio di perder dati presenti su seven?\n<cristian_c> <cristian_c> maurizio, su quale ubuntu?\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, è nel terminale?\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, digita: alsamixer\n<maurizio> mirc lo conosci?\n<cristian_c> costi88, se non metti mano alle partizioni e ai file, no\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, fatto\n<cristian_c> !image | Torpedo_Smash\n<ubot-it> Torpedo_Smash: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<cristian_c> maurizio, rispondi alla domanda\n<maurizio> la 14.04.2\n<maurizio> ok\n<cristian_c> maurizio, con xchat?\n<maurizio> si\n<cristian_c> maurizio, xchat supporta plugin\n<maurizio> nn riesco a cercare i file\n<cristian_c> ma è fatto per la comunicazione in chat, non per altro\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, https://flic.kr/p/ttUtLz\n<cristian_c> maurizio, se ti servono plugin, val sul sito di xchat e fai una ricerca\n<maurizio> no si puo scaricare come mirc che dici\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, hai collegato le casse sempre alla stessa uscita delle cuffie?\n<cristian_c> maurizio, qui si fa supporto a ubuntu\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, no, sono integrate, è un notebook\n<cristian_c> se hai una richiesta specifica di supporto a ubuntu, falla pure\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, eh, ma io intendo le casse esterne\n<maurizio> volevo solo sapere come scaricare su xchat\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, quante uscite audio hai?\n<cristian_c> maurizio, ti ho risposto sopra, xchat è fatto per chattare, se ti serve altro, cerca i plugin\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, mai avute casse esterne e ho solo quell'uscita\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, beh, fatti prestare delle casse\n<cristian_c> e prova\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, chiedo al mio coinquilino, un momento\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, il problema potrebbe essere l'uscita cuffie/casse\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, se è difettosa, con quella prova, lo vedi subito\n<maurizio> vabbe chiedero aiuto a qualcun'altro\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, anzi, quando provi con casse e cuffie , controlla i volumi nella scheda Applicazioni delle impostazioni audio\n<cristian_c> durante la riproduzione\n<cristian_c> !chat | maurizio\n<ubot-it> maurizio: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, ancora muto\n<toni> ciao\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, ok, prova come ti ho detto con la scheda Applicazioni selezionata\n<cristian_c> sia con casse che cuffie\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, tutto al massimo, ma non va, ora devo andare a pranzo, grazie comunque!\n<cristian_c> Torpedo_Smash, se guardi alsamixer con le cuffie scollegate , il canale Speaker passa da MM a 00?\n<cristian_c> ok\n<Torpedo_Smash> cristian_c, sì\n<cristian_c> ok\n<ramirez> salve.ho da poco istallato ubuntu 14.10 su asus F552C.Non mi funzionava la scheda wireless.scheda mediatec.Poi qui in chat mi avete già aiutato e risolto il problema.ora non riesco piu a farla funzionare.chi mi può seguire.grazie\n<ramirez> ho giò disponobile una usb con iso ubuntu 14.04.nel computer non ho ancora messo nulla quindi posso fare reistallazioni e quant altro\n<cristian_c> ramirez, come hai risolto?\n<ramirez> ho i driver della scheda mediatec m760e\n<ramirez> mi hanno guidato da terminale ma io non so rifarlo\n<cristian_c> ramirez, come avevi risolto in passato?\n<cristian_c> ramirez, su quale ubuntu avevi risolto?\n<ramirez> qui in chat passo passo su ubuntu 14.04\n<cristian_c> ok\n<ramirez> posso reistallarlo se necessario\n<cristian_c> ramirez, quindi hai installato la 14.10 e ora necessiti di rieseguirla?\n<cristian_c> l'installazione dei driver\n<ramirez> ehm,credo\n<cristian_c> credi?\n<ramirez> non sono pratico\n<ramirez> ho aggiornato alla 14.10\n<cristian_c> ramirez, quindi l'altra volta non hai installato i driver?\n<cristian_c> 'salve.ho da poco istallato ubuntu 14.10'\n<ramirez> ma credo che per me che sono nuovo sia meglio la 14-04\n<cristian_c> quindi reinstallando il sistema?\n<cristian_c> ramirez, dipende\n<ramirez> ok io seguirò i tuoi consigli,io sonoo muovo e non ne capisco molto\n<cristian_c> ramirez, facciamo un po' di chiarezza\n<cristian_c> hai installato la 14.10 da zero?\n<ramirez> no.da usb ho istallato la 14.04 poi mi ha chiesto l'avanzamento alla 14.10.un amico m'ha detto che la 14.04 LTS è meno problematica per uno nuovo come me.\n<cristian_c> ok\n<cristian_c> ramirez, in realtà , non è vero\n<cristian_c> semplicemente la 14.04 lts ha un supporto di 5 anni, cosa che la 14.10 non ha (solo 9 mesi)\n<ramirez> vabbè,io non ho competenze per farmi un id-)ea,mi fido di questa chat.è ubuntu ;)\n<cristian_c> ramirez, o meglio, puoi informarti a dovere\n<ramirez> ha,ok capito ty\n<cristian_c> !rilasci | ramirez\n<ubot-it> ramirez: Scalette di rilascio: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Rilasci | Cicli di vita delle versioni: http://www.ubuntu-it.org/progetto/rilasci\n<cristian_c> ramirez, così vedi quando 'scadono', come lo yogurt\n<ramirez> ahhaah,grazie\n<cristian_c> per quanto riguarda la scheda\n<cristian_c> non so bene cosa ti abbiano fatto fare sulla 14.04\n<cristian_c> ramirez, sei collegato via cavo da quel pc?\n<ramirez> via cavo\n<cristian_c> ramirez, apri un terminale e digita: lshw -C network\n<cristian_c> digita anche: rfkill list\n<cristian_c> ramirez, hai solo ubuntu installato sul portatile?\n<ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11327122/ si solo ubuntu\n<cristian_c> ramirez, questa scheda l'ho già vista qualche settimana fa\n<ramirez> si\n<ramirez> da Lukesky\n<ramirez> ho messo un altro nick,e ora ho riconosciuto pure il tuo ;-)\n<cristian_c> ramirez, ora mi ricordo di te\n<cristian_c> ramirez, mi sembra tu l'abbia installato sulla 14.10\n<cristian_c> o sbaglio?\n<ramirez> ahha già pochi orogressi,ma non ho avuto propri tempo.si\n<cristian_c> l'rfkill è a posto\n<cristian_c> ramirez, beh, comunque\n<cristian_c> !logs | ramirez\n<ubot-it> ramirez: Log del canale: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/\n<ramirez> non ho capito,sono andato sul link,ci sono le passate sessioni?\n<ramirez> cosa significa !logs?\n<ramirez> mi sto leggendo questo http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/LogDiSistema :-)\n<ramirez> mmh,non ci capisco\n<cristian_c> ramirez, sono i log di ubuntu, il canale è loggato\n<cristian_c> quindi puoi ritrovare anche la discussione dell'altra volta\n<ramirez> bene infatti c'avevo provato ma ancora npon lo so usare.se le ritrovo ho risolto mi basta seguirle\n<ramirez> come si fà la ricersca?sarebbe utilissimo\n<cristian_c> ramirez, di base non c'è la ricerca\n<cristian_c> ma so che con curl si può fare, ma non ho mai provato\n<cristian_c> ramirez, indicativamente, sai quando l'hai installata?\n<cristian_c> ahhhh, trovato\n<cristian_c> lukesky\tla mia scheda è una mediatec,ho i driver in una cartella dul desktop,ma non riesco a \"montarla\" quali comandi dal terminale?\n<cristian_c> ramirez, log del 2.3 maggio, ma poi si perdono le tracce\n<cristian_c> *2-3\n<ramirez> grande,ora guardo,però sarebbe bello se mi spieghi come si fa ;-)\n<cristian_c> non lo so, ho solo aperto qualche log a caso\n<ramirez> ah\n<cristian_c> ramirez, ma se tu ti ricordassi indicativamente quando, sarebbe più semplice\n<ramirez> eh,ora provo a cercare\n<cristian_c> trovato\n<cristian_c> 10 maggio\n<ramirez> bene\n<cristian_c> lukesky\tBuongiorno,chi mi può aiutare?ho 2 problemi con ubuntu 14.04 e 15.04.su ASUS F552C,c'ho installato U14.04,eliminando windows,non si vede la scheda wireless(mediatec ma ho i \"driver\")\n<ramirez> sisi\n<cristian_c> lukesky\tsono con la 14.10\t17:30\n<cristian_c> lukesky\tnon funziona la scheda wirless mediatec su asus F552C,\t17:32\n<cristian_c> ramirez, quindi avevi la 14.10 già \n<ramirez> eh credo che avevo fatto confusione.ore la sto ricercando aspè vediamo se riesco a trovarla\n<cristian_c> ramirez, per capirci, sei sempre con la stessa 14.10?\n<cristian_c> visto che i driver li hai installati sulla 14.10\n<cristian_c> ramirez, a menio che tu non abbia fatto altro che non hai detto\n<cristian_c> *meno\n<ramirez> ukesky, allora, da quel che capisco\n<ramirez> [08:37] <lukesky> è quella MT7630E_Wi-Fi_BT_Source_V3.14_20140625_v2 ho sulla scrivania\n<ramirez> [08:37] <cristian_c> c'è modo di farla funzionare con un vecchio kernel\n<ramirez> [08:37] <lukesky> la cartella con i driver\n<ramirez> [08:38] <lukesky> mmh\n<ramirez> [08:38] <cristian_c> in quanto alcuni pc con preinstallato ubuntu erano dotati di questo chip wireless\n<Ramirez> che è successo?ho trovato la scorsa discussione\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, hai floodato il canale\n<cristian_c> e il bot ti ha buttato fuori\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, ma c'è una cosa del tuo discorso che non torna\n<Ramirez> ok\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, sei venuto qui oggi\n<Ramirez> dimmi\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, a dire che dovevi attivare il wifi sulla 14.10\n<cristian_c> e che l'avevi fatto sulla 14.04\n<cristian_c> quando invece il log mostra inequivocabilmente che l'hai installata sulla 14.10\n<Ramirez> boh,chre ti dico,c ho capito poco,comunque ora rieseguo le istruzioni dalle 09:01 della chat del 10 mag\n<Ramirez> faccio bene?\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11065317/\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, no\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, sarebbe utile se tu spiegassi esattamente il problema\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, non li avevi già installati i driver sulla 14.10?\n<cristian_c> perché lo domandi di nuovo?\n<Ramirez> si li avevo ma ora il network manager non mi fa vedere wi-fi\n<Ramirez> forse ho fatto casino\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, contestualizza il casino\n<Ramirez> provo\n<Ramirez> io non ho idea del perchè sulla barra non trovo piu le connessioni wireless,e non ho idea della cause.magari ci sono e non li so \"accendere\"\n<Ramirez> ho spento in malo modo?ho istallato qualcosa di sbagliato?non lo sò.\n<Ramirez> comunque ho intensione di rimettere la 14.04 e tenerla fino alla 15.04 LTS.che dici?ora però per risolvere ilproblema\n<krabador> quanto tempo , lukesky\n<Ramirez> seguirei(cercando di capire) le istruzioni del 10.tu che ne dici?\n<Ramirez> ciao kra\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, la 15.04 non è lts\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, facendo cosa saggia , puoi avanzare da subito alla 15.04\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, se hai fatto altro, puoi dirlo adesso\n<Ramirez> ho detto una caxx,come mi consigli di procedere?\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, ora hai detto che il wifi ha smesso di funzionare di punto in bianco\n<krabador> allora ? come va con il copia/incolla dei comandi?\n<cristian_c> eppure con dkms avrebbe dovuto continuare a funzionare anche dopo l'aggiornamento del kernel 3.16\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, digita: uname -a\n<Ramirez> non mi dà le opzioni wi-fi e prima si connetteva automat\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, dopo un po' di permanenza in chat , credo che tu abbia chiaro che se hai un problemi, lo devi descrivere accuratamente\n<cristian_c> fornendo i\n<cristian_c> !dettagli | Ramirez\n<ubot-it> Ramirez: Per favore dacci dettagli completi. Per esempio \"Ho un problema con..., sto usando Ubuntu versione... con interfaccia.... Quando provo a fare..., ottengo questo output: ..., ma mi sarei aspettato che facesse...\"\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11328395/ ok\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, sei passato soltanto dal -37 al -38\n<Ramirez> ?\n<cristian_c> come kernel , intendo\n<cristian_c> 3.16.0-38-generic\n<Ramirez> ah 3.16.0-37\n<Ramirez> ok ho capito\n<Ramirez> ho letto\n<Ramirez> ma non sò come e perchè ne cosa comporta\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, ls -l /lib/firmware/\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, ls - /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/\n<cristian_c> sbagliato\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, ls -l /lib/modules/3.16.0-37-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11328484/\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, anche il primo e l'ultimo\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, digita, poi: ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11328552/\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11328563/\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11328565/\n<cristian_c> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 382212 mag 10 20:25 MT7650E234.bin\n<cristian_c> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 382212 mag 10 20:25 mt76x0.bin\n<cristian_c> il che significa che non hai cambiato sistema\n<cristian_c> <cristian_c> Ramirez, ls -l /lib/modules/3.16.0-37-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, manca questo\n<cristian_c> ah, no, c'è\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, ok, hai aggiornato il kernel, e sono scomparsi i driver\n<Ramirez> ok\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, ma scusa, non è meglio che installi direttamente la 15.04?\n<Ramirez> se tu dici che è meglio per me va bene\n<Ramirez> infatti mi aveva chiesto di aggiornare alla 15\n<Ramirez> ma quando l 'ho fatto\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, anzi, prova prima in live\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, prova una live\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, ancora con la connessione lenta?\n<Ramirez> <lukesky> ciao crj,grazie,ora sono sulla 15.04\n<Ramirez> [12:20] <cristian_c> lukesky, avevo detto 14.10\n<Ramirez> [12:20] <cristian_c> non hai ascoltato\n<Ramirez> [12:21] <lukesky> si poi mi ha subito chiesto\n<Ramirez> [12:21] <lukesky> se volevo passare alla 15 e ho detto si\n<Ramirez> ops ho fatto qualche casino dopo aver copiaincollato una parte di testo di http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/05/10/%23ubuntu-it.txt mi si è scollegato,non vedevo utenti e diceva che ho impostato lo stato +i ramirez. e sono uscito\n<Ramirez> ci sei ancora cri?\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, è la seconda volta che il bot ti butta fuori\n<cristian_c> per lo stesso motivo di prima, che ti era stato spiegato\n<Ramirez> non l ho capito.comunque,dicevamo di passare alla 15.c'è qualcosa che non ti ho pastebinnato?\n<krabador> Ramirez, scarica , se non ce l'hai piu', la 15.04 , fa un supporto di installazione, mandalo in boot, e torna qui\n<Ramirez> ok\n<alealleg> salve a tutti\n<alealleg> ho un problema: ho installato ubuntu 15.04 e non mi funziona più l'audio dal pc\n<alealleg> se inserisco le cuffie funzione, dal pc no\n<alealleg> la scheda audio è una Realtek ALC269VB ed è riconosciuta dal sistema\n<alealleg> chi mi può aiutare?\n<alealleg> ho un problema di audio: la mia scheda audio è una Realtek ALC269VB e dopo aver installato ubuntu (15.04) l'audio si sente solo nelle cuffio e non più dagli altoparlanti del pc...\n<alealleg> chi può aiutarmi?\n<akis24> sera\n<Ramirez> cristian\n<Ramirez> kra\n<Ramirez> ?\n<Ramirez> sono sulla 15-04\n<Ramirez> sono ora sulla 15.04\n<rek> hi\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, ok\n<Ramirez> ok\n<cristian_c> <Ramirez> sono ora sulla 15.04 <-- mi riferivo a questo\n<Ramirez> si\n<Ramirez> ora come procediamo?\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, apri un terminale\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, non c'è connessione, giusto?\n<Ramirez> fatto sono via cavo.la wi fi non c è\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, lshw -C network && rfkill list\n<cristian_c> !paste | Ramirez\n<ubot-it> Ramirez: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11330361/\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, lsmod | grep asus\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11330442/\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, ls -l /etc/modprobe.d/\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11330522/\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, echo \"options asus_nb_wmi wapf=0\" > /etc/modprobe.d/asus.conf\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11330578/\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, sudo -i\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11330599/\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, echo \"options asus_nb_wmi wapf=0\" > /etc/modprobe.d/asus.conf\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11330610/\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, exit\n<Ramirez> fatto\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, cat /etc/modprobe.d/asus.conf\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11330645/\n<cristian_c> ok, si parte da 0 e si arriva fino a 4, eventualmente\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, riavvia il pc\n<Ramirez> ho capito ora riavvio\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, lshw -C network && rfkill list\n<Ramirez> cri ancora niente proviamo con 1?miridai i\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, sudo -i\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, echo \"options asus_nb_wmi wapf=1\" > /etc/modprobe.d/asus.conf\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, exit\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, cat /etc/modprobe.d/asus.conf\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11330762/\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, cat /etc/issue\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11330801/ riavvio\n<Ramirez> ?\n<cristian_c> sì\n<Ramirez> niente proviamo col 2\n<Ramirez> ?\n<cristian_c> mmm\n<cristian_c> ti dico la mia\n<cristian_c> secondo me, questo metodo non funziona\n<Ramirez> ok\n<cristian_c> funziona nel caso\n<cristian_c> *-network DISABLED\n<cristian_c> ma tu hai invece:\n<cristian_c> *-network UNCLAIMED\n<Ramirez> ti posso richiedere per favore,il comando per trovare le passate discussioni?mi sembrava comodo\n<Ramirez> ok ho capito come procediamo?\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, intanto, digita: sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/asus.conf\n<Ramirez> torniamo alla 14.04?\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, in modo da eliminare il file che hai creato\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11330888/\n<Ramirez> l'altra volta eravamo tornati alla 14.04 mi sembra\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, eddai\n<cristian_c> c'è il log\n<Ramirez> come si accede alla lista?lo abbiamo fatto prima ma non mi ricordo\n<Ramirez> !log ?\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'log ?'\n<jester-> !logs\n<ubot-it> Log del canale: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/\n<Ramirez> grazie\n<Ramirez> cercavo questo,mi sarà utile anche in futuro\n<Ramirez> quindi seguo le istruzioni del 10 maggio (da quando siamo tornati alla 14) giusto cri?\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, cd mt7630e\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11330988/\n<Ramirez> siamo nella cartella no?\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, quindi l'hai conservata?\n<cristian_c> hai fatto avanzamento a 15.04, giusto?\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, non hai provato la 15.04 in live, come ti avevamo consigliato?\n<Ramirez> si\n<cristian_c> sì a quale domanda?\n<Ramirez> si se apro la home c'è la cartella m7630e\n<Ramirez> con i file dentro\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, e per quanto riguarda le altre domande?\n<Ramirez> ho fatto avanzamento\n<cristian_c> allora\n<Ramirez> da aggioenamento software\n<Ramirez> no\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, ls -l\n<Ramirez> quindi dovrò tornare alla 14.04 suppongo\n<cristian_c> !paste | Ramirez\n<ubot-it> Ramirez: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11331080/\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, make clean\n<Frediver> Buona Domenica\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11331113/\n<Frediver> Sapete per caso indicarmi come posso vedere che porte ho aperte sul router con ubuntu?\n<Frediver> nel registro del mio router ho trovato alcuni attacchi dos e port scan e non è la prima volta\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, ?\n<Ramirez> si\n<Ramirez> dimmi\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, puoi digitare l'ultimo comando che ti ho indicato?\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11331248/ nn m'ero accorto scusa\n<cristian_c> ok\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, make\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11331317/\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, sudo -s make install\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11331369/\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, ls -l /lib/firmware\n<cristian_c> considerato che i firmware erano già presenti, spero non abbia fatto delle copie :P\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11331395/\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, intanto riavvia il pc\n<Ramirez> ok\n<Ramirez> funzione :-)\n<Ramirez> si è pure ricordato la password\n<Ramirez> non me l'ha chiesta\n<akis24> :O\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, una cosa è il driver , una cosa è la conf\n<cristian_c> del network manager\n<Ramirez> ok.bene cri.ora io oserei chiederti di aiutarmi con altre 2-3 cosettine se puoi ;-)\n<Ramirez> tipo possiamo far funzionare anche il bluetooth?\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, io farei una cosa\n<Ramirez> dimmi ti seguo\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, visto che sei tornato dopo due settimane con lo stesso problema\n<Ramirez> si\n<Ramirez> mi guardo la discussione del 10 maggio\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, cd mt7630e\n<Ramirez> giusto,forse ci riesco\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, sudo make dkms\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, uname -a\n<Ramirez> ok cri scrivimi i comandi poi ti pastebinno su 1 solo\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, te li ho scritto alcuni secondi fa\n<cristian_c> *i\n<Ramirez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11331612/ si abbiamo scritto in contemporanea\n<Ramirez> riavvio?\n<cristian_c> ora guardo\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, non c'è bisogno\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, ma potresti fare un'altra cosa\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, per evitare di guardare ogni volta il log del canale\n<Ramirez> dimmi\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, potresti scrivere la soluzione sul forum, se sei iscritto\n<cristian_c> ed eventualmente proporre il metodo d'installazione del wifi+bt nel wiki di ubuntu\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, aiutando così altre persone nella tua situazione\n<Ramirez> po ti chiederei ancora aiuto se posso,tipo vorrei far girare i programmi che non hanno una versione per ubuntu quindi vorrei istallare wine e imparare a usarlo\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, wine è particolare\n<Ramirez> si sono iscritto dimmi come fare che lo facciamo subito\n<cristian_c> certe cose ci girano, altre ci girano con escamotage, altre ci girano così e così, non benissimo, e infine ci sono cose che proprio non ci girano affatto\n<Ramirez> facciamolo aiutami a metterlo sul forum,una volta già ci avevo provato\n<Ramirez> ok,prima mettiamo il risolto\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, se vai sul sito di winehq, c'è un database che mostra la compatibilità delle varie applicazioni di windows, con wine\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, sei già iscritto al forum?\n<Ramirez> poi comunque,se possibile mettiamo wine\n<cristian_c> ah, ok\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, se sei iscritto, è sufficiente che tu scriva esattamente la soluzione\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, compreso i comandi per scaricare il repository da github, ecc...\n<cristian_c> se guardi il log di due settimane fa e quello di oggi, ti sarà facile ricostruire il metodo\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, comunque, linux non è sostitutivo, ma bensì alternativo\n<cristian_c> a windows\n<Ramirez> scusa cri ho una telefonato\n<Ramirez> ok,cri allora dopo ci provo,così mi esercito pure.io qui avevo windows ma volevo farlo fuori e l'ho fatto\n<Ramirez> certo che linux è alternativo,però wine mi può far comodo\n<Ramirez> si può istallare dal software center?\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, ti conviene tenerlo windows, in dual boot\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, sì, wine è nei repo ufficiali di ubuntu\n<cristian_c> !info wine\n<ubot-it> wine (source: wine1.6): Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (meta-package). In component universe, is extra. Version 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu4 (trusty), package size 0 kB, installed size 21 kB\n<Ramirez> orami l'ho già fatto fuori\n<Ramirez> procedo all'istallazione\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, fai sapere se poi sei riuscito a scrivere il metodo sul forum\n<Ramirez> un altra cosa,se posso.il computer è comunque lentino,eppure è vuoto,forse ci sono delle procedure da fare per renderlo un pò piu veloce?vabbè non è importante,così\n<Ramirez> mi pare lentino anche il firefox,e la connessione dovrebbe essere buona\n<Ramirez> si\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, dipende dalle capacità del pc\n<cristian_c> dalle sue caratteristiche\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, avevi detto l'altra volta che la cpu non era al massimo\n<cristian_c> è ancora così?\n<cristian_c> intendo cpu al 100% di consumo\n<Ramirez> non sò come controllarla\n<Ramirez> dove si va per vedere l'utilizzo della cpu?\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, dal task manager\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, ma l'altra volta dicesti che era a posto\n<cristian_c> quindi...\n<cristian_c> quindi l'hai già fatto in passato\n<Ramirez> ho trovato il monitor di sistema\n<cristian_c> guarda il carico in percentuale sulla cpu\n<Ramirez> CPU1 4-8 % CPU2 5-10 %\n<Ramirez> oscillano pi o meno così\n<cristian_c> bassina\n<cristian_c> allora non hai problemi con la cpu\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, il pc è relativamente recente/potente?\n<Ramirez> ok.per esempio ad aprire il software center ci mette 5 secondi\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, il software center è lento di suo\n<Ramirez> si è del 2014 ASUS F552C\n<Ramirez> na sola ma recente\n<cristian_c> ma per il resto, è fluido?\n<Ramirez> ok\n<cristian_c> oppure c'è altro che rallenta?\n<Ramirez> ma non credo,non ho titato giu quasi niente\n<Ramirez> solo vlc\n<Ramirez> per i video.film e non programmi pesanti\n<naxil> salve\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, non parlo a livello di donwnload\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, la fluidità del sistema è accettabile?\n<naxil> ho dei freeze improvvisi\n<Ramirez> non sò da dove si controlla\n<cristian_c> naxil, fai il controllo del disco\n<cristian_c> per vedere se ci sono settori danneggiati\n<Ramirez> si comunque piu o meno va bene\n<Ramirez> accettabile\n<Ramirez> lentino ma accettabile\n<naxil> cristian_c, ne ho fatti duemila.. me lo fa ad ogni riavvio cmq\n<naxil> fsck\n<cristian_c> Ramirez, quando va lento, controlla la cpu come hai fatto prima\n<cristian_c> naxil, esito?\n<naxil> pulito\n<naxil> pero' e' palloso dopo fsck si riavvia\n<cristian_c> naxil, come hai controllato?\n<naxil> perche' fsck arriva al 100% senza chiedermi FIZ?\n<naxil> fix?\n<naxil> scusa ma devo andare a pappare\n<naxil> ci si sente dopo\n<cristian_c> naxil, magari la prossima volta, rispondi alle domande\n<naxil> ti ho risposto\n<cristian_c> no\n<cristian_c> non l'hai fatto\n<naxil> a cosa non ho risposto?\n<naxil> fammi capire\n<cristian_c> <cristian_c> naxil, come hai controllato?\n<Ramirez> grazie cri,alla prox\n<luca1> ciao\n<naxil> krabador,\n<naxil> eccomi\n<naxil> ho etc/default/grub\n<naxil> ho aggiunto una linea su grub_cmd_line_default=\"acpi=off\"\n<naxil> e' giusta?\n<krabador> 2.02~beta2-9\n<krabador> questa è la versione di 14.04 , di grub\n<naxil> ma e' sempre grub1?\n<krabador> naxil, \"è giusta\" , anche la condanna a morte , nei paesi che la prevedono è giusta\n<krabador> dipende se c'è stato il reato\n<naxil> e' fatta bene?\n<naxil> voglio provare a disabilitare acpi\n<naxil> penso che va in freeze quando prova ad abbassare il volt della cpu\n<krabador> e perchè devi provare ad abbassare il voltaggio della cpu?\n<naxil> no no.. penso che vada in freeze quando usa il risparmio energia.. e i ghz fanno l'altalena\n<naxil> infatti quando lo lascio un po' in idle va in freeze\n<naxil> posso fare qualcosa per bloccare sempre la cpu al max?\n#ubuntu-it 2016-05-23\n<droxcell> Mi sa che vado a letto\n<droxcell> Domani massacro il portatile\n<droxcell> Grazie a tutti per l'aiuto!\n<droxcell> Notte\n<riky79> ciao ragazzi qualcuno puo aiutarmi?sn nuovo di ubuntu..ho scaricato wine,na qnd lo faccio partire da avvia nn ne vuole sapere..come dv fare?\n<riky79> scusate c'è nessuno'\n<riky79> ?\n<riky79> grazie lo stesso\n<nlona> salve ragazzi c'è qualcuno che sa come aiutarmi? Ho un grosso problema con kaffeine non visualizzo + nessun programma tv si vedono i dati epg ma a video schermo nero o provato a disintallare con purge e reinstallare ma non cambia nulla.\n<ligomat> Salve, avrei un problema con xubuntu. L'ho installato ieri e devo dire che il mio piccolo pc è veramente rinato. Ho seguito una guida trovata sul web su come abilitare compiz su xubuntu ed ha funzionato ma ad ogni avvio mi notifica un problema. Come potrei risolvere questo messaggio? Inoltre dopo aver abilitato compiz non posso cambiare più tema..\n<Rebarbaro91> ciao non mi notifica piu' quando ci sono aggiornamenti\n<glpiana> Rebarbaro91, apri un terminale e scrivi: sudo apt-get update\n<Rebarbaro91> glpiana: fatto\n<glpiana> Rebarbaro91, ora sudo apt-get upgrade\n<Rebarbaro91> glpiana: fatto\n<glpiana> Rebarbaro91, c'erano aggiornamenti?\n<Rebarbaro91> glpiana: no\n<glpiana> Rebarbaro91, quindi aveva ragione a non segnalare aggiornamenti\n<ExPBoy> :)\n<gigirock> Rebarbaro91, i computer son tipi precisetti.....\n<Rebarbaro91> di solito quando c'erano aggiornamenti mi si apriva la schermata con gli aggiornamenti da fare\n<Rebarbaro91> adesso no\n<ExPBoy> uhm\n<ExPBoy> se non ci sono non apre nulla\n<gigirock> Rebarbaro91, nella 1604 e' cambiato qualcosa per le notifiche degli aggiornamenti vai a vedere i changelog\n<Rebarbaro91> devo sempre cliccare' su aggiornamenti software\n<Rebarbaro91> gigirock: come li vedo?\n<ExPBoy> Rebarbaro91, stai dicendo seriamente o scherzi?\n<Rebarbaro91> no ho sbagliato\n<Rebarbaro91> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<ExPBoy> eh\n<lillo> salve a tutti, non riesco a vedere le anteprime delle immagini su ubuntu... sono andato su nautilus /modifica/preferenze/anteprima e su mostrare i provini e le miniature ho messo sempre, ma non si vedono lo stesso! come posso fare? grazie\n<gigirock> lillo, ma che immagini sono ?\n<lillo> qualsiasi\n<lillo> jpg png\n<lillo> anche sotto i 10 mb\n<gigirock> lillo, ma adesso cosa vedi ? ci fai uno screenshot ?\n<lillo> si un sec\n<lillo> https://imagebin.ca/v/2i82E5vCcX4z\n<lillo> ecco qua\n<gigirock> lillo, sudo chmod -R 777 ~/.cache/thumbnails dal terminale\n<lillo> grazie! funziona\n<gigirock> lillo, suerte\n<lillo> ;)\n<lillo> gia che ci sono , vorrei chiederti un altra cosa se non disturbo troppo\n<lillo> a volte, quando apro qualche pagina diciamo un po' piu' impegativa (con video, banner animati etc) mi si blocca il touchpad! e devo fare per forza sudo reboot... solo che non si riavvia ma si blocca e devo per forza spegnerlo dal tasto di spegnimento\n<lillo> cosa devo fare?\n<lillo> la tastiera funziona\n<lillo> il mouse no... non si sposta ne clicca\n<gigirock> lillo, mi sembra un problema legato all'hardware , e con che browser accade ?\n<lillo> firefox\n<lillo> sento proprio il pc che diventa piu' rumoroso, e poi puff il touchpad smette di funzionare\n<lillo> non ho mouse esterni\n<gigirock> lillo, puoi provare con chrome per esempio ?\n<lillo> chromium va bene lo stesso?\n<gigirock> si dai prova per primo con quello...\n<lillo> ok provo ad usare quello e se si blocca anche cosi' te lo dico\n<lillo> solo che non e' che si blocca sempre, come capita\n<gigirock> lillo, come sai firefox non ha una buona compatibilita' con adobe flash, e se il sito ne fa uso massivo magari crea problemi\n<lillo> e si blocca giusto giusto il touchpad? la tastiera funziona bene\n<gigirock> lillo, si blocca il touchpad ma poi si hanno problemi sulla gestione dello spegnimento .......\n<lillo> ahh\n<lillo> ok\n<lillo> ;)\n<Kalsifer> salve, mi servirebbe sapere cosa fare per far partire ubuntu dal CD/DVD; credo di averlo masterizzato correttamente, ma se riavvio il pc con il cd inserito mi parte sempre windows (10 home edition)\n<young> Kalsifer, devi settare dal bios l'avvio da cd\n<Apuane> Ciao mi servirebbe un aiutino!! Stavo configurando samba per mettere ubuntu in dominio windows ma dopo aver configurato il file /etc/nsswitch.conf; dando un qualunque comando con sudo mi da il seguente errore: \"sudo: Uid 1000 sconosciuto: utente sconosciuto.\"\n<Kalsifer> ok giusto, non pensavo che si potesse ancora ripartire dal bios\n<gigirock> Apuane, e cosa hai configurato in nsswitch.conf ?\n<Apuane> ho modificato questi paramentri: hosts: files dns winbind, passwd: compat winbind, group: compat winbind\n<Apuane> scusami hosts: files dns wins\n<gigirock> Apuane, sudo group tuoutente\n * gigirock lunchtime\n<Apuane> mi da sempre questo errore: \"sudo: Uid 1000 sconosciuto: utente sconosciuto\n<Apuane> ogni comando con sudo\n<Apuane> se do il comando \"whoami\" mi dice \"whoami: impossibile trovare il nome dell'utente con id 1000\"\n<apuane1> ciao scusa mi si è bloccato il pc e non mi riconosce più la password. Deve essersi scasinato qualcosa in passwd penso\n<Fede200> ciao a tutti, ho un problema con l'interfaccia web di plex media, in pratica da quando ho installato apache non è più raggiungibile dai pc presenti all'interno della rete domestica, qualcuno sa aiutarmi?\n<Fede200> ciao a tutti, ho un problema con l'interfaccia web di plex media, in pratica da quando ho installato apache non è più raggiungibile dai pc presenti all'interno della rete domestica, qualcuno sa aiutarmi?\n<gigirock> Fede200, e dai sara' un default nella conf di apache\n<gigirock> !info apache2\n<ubot-it> apache2 (source: apache2): Apache HTTP Server. In component main, is optional. Version 2.4.18-2ubuntu3 (xenial), package size 84 kB, installed size 488 kB\n<gigirock> !apache\n<ubot-it> apache: Installare e configurare Apache: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Server/Web - Installazione di un server LAMPP: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Server/Xampp\n<Fede200> gigirock: lampp è già installato, da localhost l'interfaccia web di plex la vedo perfettamente, il problema sta negli altri pc all'interno della rete, come se le porte fossero bloccate (ma non lo sono)\n<gigirock> Fede200, questo e' il canale di supporto per ubuntu e plex non e' ubuntu, per qualisasi altro argomento #ubuntu-it-chat\n<gigirock> !chat | Fede200\n<ubot-it> Fede200: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<squizzolo> salve, sto cercando di eseguire un programma in c. Ci ho perso tanto tempo per controllare se avessi sbagliato qualcosa o meno. Controllato il tipo di errore che mi da, ho visto che forse è perché la memoria è settata solamente in lettura/scrittura. Come posso controllare questo?\n<glpiana> squizzolo, di che memoria parli?\n<squizzolo> sinceramene non so! Ho letto: errore che si genera su piattaforme con protezione della memoria\n<glpiana> squizzolo, vabbè. passa comunque su #ubuntu-it-chat che qui sei off topic\n<squizzolo> ah ok scusate\n<leopaceco> ciao a tutti c'è nessuno?\n<gigirock> !nessuno | leopaceco\n<ubot-it> leopaceco: se nessuno parla in canale non significa che non ci siano utenti attivi. Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno vorrà rispondervi lo farà \n<leopaceco> ciao, ho installato l'ultima release di ubuntu in dual boot, ho fatto le partizioni, disattivato il secur boot, avviato ubuntu dalla pennetta e l'ho installato\n<leopaceco> adesso pero non riesco ad entrarci, quando accendo/riavvio il pc non mi fa scegliere il os da caricare, mi pare in auto windows come sempre\n<leopaceco> ho win 8.1, suggerimenti?\n<krabador> leopaceco, disabilitazione di avvio rapido, da sistema operativo, e verifica come sta messo fastboot in bios\n<krabador> se hai installato con secure boot abilitato, NON VA DISABILITATO dopo\n<leopaceco> ok controllo, cmq l'avvio veloce attualmente è attivo. Ho installato con secure boot disabilitato e attualmente è disabilitato\n<The_shadow> Ciao a tutti. Sto provando a mettere in dominio windows. Ma quando eseguo il comando \"net ads join -U administrator\" mi da questo errore: \"DNS update failed: NT_STATUS_INVALID_PARAMETER\". Qualche consiglio?! Grazie\n<krabador> leopaceco, ubuntu supporta uefi, secure boot potevi lasciarlo com'era\n<krabador> !chat | The_shadow\n<ubot-it> The_shadow: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<The_shadow> ok grazie\n<leopaceco> avevo letto cosi in una guida di questo forum, cmq ho trovato come disabilitare il fast boot dalle impostazioni di sistema senza spegnere il pc, è lo stesso o lo devo fare dal bios?\n<krabador> leopaceco, questo non è un forum, e nella guida wiki ufficiale, è chiaramente esposto questo concetto\n<krabador> <krabador> leopaceco, disabilitazione di avvio rapido, da sistema operativo, e verifica come sta messo fastboot in bios\n<leopaceco> ok grazie, vado e controllo, mi rifaccio vivo :P\n<Leopaceco> Rieccomi, ho cercato la voce fast boot nel bios ma non l'ho trovata\n<Leopaceco> il fast boot comunque era disabilitato correttamente anche se non dal bios, infatti ci ha messo di più per accendersi, ciononostante il ha lanciato Windows ugualmente senza farmi scegliere il so\n<krabador> Leopaceco, win era installato con secure boot abilitato ?\n<Leopaceco> immagino di sì, io l'ho disabilitato X installare ubuntu ed è rimasto così\n<Leopaceco> provo ad attivarlo?\n<krabador> Leopaceco, quello che ti ho segnalato prima, vale anche per il contrario\n<krabador> se l'installazione del sistema è stata eseguita in una modalità , non si puo' cambiare l'impostazione di secure boot\n<krabador> a meno di non operare in modo da far funzionare l'installazione in quella modalità \n<Leopaceco> pero Windows mi parte ugualmente bo\n<Leopaceco> se provassi a mettere la voce network come prima scelta di boot che succederebbe?\n<krabador> piuttosto che usare le voci del boot a caso, verifica se è cambiato il numero delle voci di boot, in bios\n<Leopaceco> Come me quantità sono sempre le stesse\n<krabador> e cosa dicono ?\n<Leopaceco> internal hd drive\n<Leopaceco> external device\n<Leopaceco> internal optical disc drive\n<Leopaceco> e network\n<Leopaceco> Primo in priorità ovviamente l'hd\n<krabador> Leopaceco, abilita secure boot, e segui http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Uefi#Riparazione_bootloader , se windows è installato con secure boot abilitato\n<Leopaceco> Ok grazie mille :)\n<Shez_> salve a tutti\n<Shez_> ho installato guwf ma non riesco ad avviarlo mi va sempre in crash qualcuno può aiutarmi?\n<Shez_> Questo è l'errore che ricevo quando cerco di avviarlo da console http://pastebin.com/QVgRwcwQ\n<Shez_> c'è nessuno?\n<Shez_> c'è nessunoooooooooo........?\n<Carpte> salve, ho un problema con open-jdk l'ultima versione che mi trova è la sette ma questa mi sta creando problemi con la compilazione di sorgenti eclipse: Exception in thread \"main\" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: com/main/Main : Unsupported major.minor version 52\n<krabador> Carpte, su 16.04, nei repositories, c'è anche fino alla 9\n<krabador> Carpte, che ubuntu hai ?\n<Carpte> verifico perche non ricordo... da un pò che non lo usavo\n<Shez_> ho installato guwf ma non riesco ad avviarlo mi va sempre in crash qualcuno può aiutarmi?\n<Shez_> Questo è l'errore che ricevo quando cerco di avviarlo da console http://pastebin.com/QVgRwcwQ\n<krabador> Carpte, ti conviene usare un sistema di sviluppo basato su un sistema che usi spesso\n<Carpte> 15.10 la versione\n<krabador> Carpte, e che non devi controllare che versione è\n<krabador> Carpte, in 15.10 c'è 8\n<krabador> Carpte, sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> dpkg -l | grep openjdk | pastebinit\n<Carpte> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16637660/\n<Carpte> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16637660/\n<Carpte> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16637660/\n<Carpte> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16637660/\n<Carpte> scusa andava a capo e non lo avevo notato\n<krabador> dpkg -l | grep icedtea | pastebinit\n<Carpte> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16637783/\n<krabador> Carpte, sudo apt-get remove --purge openjdk-7-*\n<Carpte> krabador se installo la relese 16.10 risolvo direttamente? ho visto che la 16.10 è anche lts quindi mi sa che conviene cambiare\n<krabador> Carpte, sudo apt-get install openjdk-8-jdk openjdk-8-jdk-headless openjdk-8-jre openjdk-8-jre-headless\n<krabador> Carpte, se 16.10, credo che tu abbia visto male.\n<Carpte> 16.04 sorry\n<f843d0> Shez_: hai provato ad installarlo in modalità live?\n<Shez_> f843d0, no\n<f843d0> Shez_: è un pacchetto standard, quindi avrai compromesso il tuo sistema, o a botte di PPA o con installazioni da fonti sempre non ufficiali\n<Shez_> ho installato il pacchetto dai repo\n<f843d0> Shez_: avrai compromesso il sistema in un momento precedente\n<Shez_> f843d0, ho reistallato tutto il stema da poco...\n<Shez_> *sistema\n<f843d0> Shez_: allora ti costerà pochissimo provarlo in live\n<Shez_> f843d0, in pratica vvio la lavi ed installo gufw?\n<Shez_> f843d0, in pratica avvio la la live ed installo gufw e vedo se mi da lo stesso problema?\n<krabador> Shez_, ti serve qualcuno che venga li ?\n<Shez_> krabador, no :)\n<krabador> molto bene :D\n<dragoverde> ciao gente, ho da poco installato ubuntu su un thinkpad t430 e non capisco perchè qui non mi esce la notifica quando ho il maiuscolo attivo, mi sapete dire come attivarla?\n<f843d0> dragoverde: notifica di tale evento mentre digiti la password?\n<dragoverde> no mentre sono dentro all'os, sul desktop ovunque\n<dragoverde> esco un secondo e torno\n<dragoverde> ciao rieccomi col problema della notifica MAIUSC\n<f843d0> !info indicator-keylock | dragoverde\n<ubot-it> dragoverde: indicator-keylock (source: indicator-keylock): Indicator for Lock Keys. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.1.0 (xenial), package size 19 kB, installed size 172 kB\n<dragoverde> quindi sudo apt-get indicator-keylock ??\n<f843d0> dragoverde: può essere un inizio\n<dragoverde> non esiste\n<f843d0> dragoverde: la stringa di sopra dovrebbe convincerti del contrario, convieni?\n<f843d0> dragoverde: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && apt-cache search indicator-keylock | pastebinit\n<dragoverde> ho appena installato caps lock indicator seguendo le istruzioni di questo link : http://tipsonubuntu.com/2014/05/23/caps-lock-indicator-ubuntu-1404/\n<dragoverde> però ora non vedo niente sulla barra principale, come mai?\n<Mr_Pan> dragoverde, non si da supporto a fonti non ufficiali come quella linkata .....\n<Mr_Pan> dragoverde, e ovviamente neanche a PPA ...\n<Mr_Pan> !ppa | dragoverde\n<ubot-it> dragoverde: Un Personal Package Archive (PPA) è in grado di fornire il software alternativo non normalmente disponibile nei repository di Ubuntu offical - Alla ricerca di un PPA? Vedi https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - ATTENZIONE: PPA sono pacchetti di terze parti NON supportati il cui utilizzo è a proprio rischio. Vedi anche !addppa e !ppa-purge\n<f843d0> dragoverde: hai lanciato i comandi che ti sono stati suggeriti prima? Perchè cercare guide non ufficiali alla risorsa? Ogni software che si tenta di installare al di fuori della release richiede esperienza e capacità di giudizio.\n<dragoverde> quindi mi tocca rimuoverlo?\n<dragoverde> ti ho già risposto f8, non funzionano quei comandi.\n<f843d0> dragoverde: purtroppo, la tua risposta non è mai pervenuta sul canale. Il log ti offrirà un modo per verificare di persona\n<f843d0> 20:51:32< f843d0> dragoverde: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && apt-cache search indicator-keylock | pastebinit\n<Mr_Pan> dragoverde, apt-get install indicator-keylock >> funziona ...\n<f843d0> Dopo questo messaggio, non c'è stata replica\n<dragoverde> mi pareva di avere risposto, strano. ecco il pastebinit: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16642724/\n<f843d0> dragoverde: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/05/23/%23ubuntu-it.txt\n<f843d0> dragoverde: dipana pure i tuoi dubbi. Vedi repliche?\n<f843d0> dragoverde: il pacchetto era correttamente individuato da apt-cache search, e potevi installarlo senza ricorrere a guide esterne di dubbia integrità .\n<shez_> rieccomi\n<f843d0> dragoverde: hai aggiunto PPA al sistema? cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit\n<dragoverde> ok, castigato l'ignorante. a questo punto?\n<shez_> non riesco ad installare gufw da live qualcuno può aiutarmi\n<f843d0> shez_: la live ha connessione ad internet?\n<shez_> si\n<f843d0> shez_: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && apt-cache search gufw | pastebinit\n<dragoverde> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16642804/\n<f843d0> dragoverde: sudo apt-get install indicator-keylog\n<dragoverde> e: impossibile trovare il pacchetto\n<f843d0> dragoverde: apt-cache search indicator-keylog | pastebinit\n<fausto> buonasera a tutti!volevo sapere come si puo disinstallare ubuntu 16.04 per installa re unicamente win 10??\n<f843d0> !windows | fausto\n<ubot-it> fausto: per ricevere supporto per windows, rivolgersi al canale ##windows\n<dragoverde> si sta tentando di inviar eun pacchetto vuoto: in chiusura.\n<dragoverde> un documento*\n<f843d0> dragoverde: ah... e prima te lo trovava... avvia un sistema in live, assicurati di avere connessione, e controlla l'ultimo comando\n<dragoverde> madonna troppo difficile, a questo punto lo tolgo e via meglio...\n<f843d0> dragoverde: ottima scelta\n<f843d0> dragoverde: torna pure con un sistema operativo fasato sulla tua abilità utente\n<shez_> f843d0, mi dice che non localizza il pacchetto pastebin, lo stesso errore per gufw\n<f843d0> !paste | shez_\n<ubot-it> shez_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<f843d0> shez_: un output completo facilita la comprensione\n<fausto> okkey allora giro la domanda...come disinstallo ubuntu 16.04 per installare un altro sistema operativo?? non credo che l'assistenza windows mi dica come si disinstalli ubuntu...\n<dragoverde> guarda non ho ore da perdere per stare dietro a due app...per rimuovere: sudo apt-get remove giusto?\n<shez_> f843d0, devo trascrivere tutto in manuale perchè il problema è su un altra macchina non su questa....\n<f843d0> dragoverde: no, sudo apt-get --purge remove [package]\n<Mr_Pan> fausto, meti il nuovo S.O., formatta e reinstalla . fine\n<dragoverde> perchè se uso remove mi elimina solo parzialmente?\n<f843d0> dragoverde: --purge rimuove anche i file di configurazione. Per ogni dubbio, c'è il man\n<fausto> okkey gparted non mi fa formattare metto la usb con windows per sovrascrivere ubuntu e non me la legge\n<f843d0> shez_: male, sei sicuro di avere accesso internet?\n<shez_> f843d0, in pretica costruisce l'albero delle dipendenze, poi mi dice: E: unable to locate package pastebin, ed è la stessa situazione che si crea quando cerco di installare il pacchetto gufw\n<dragoverde> ok grazie\n<f843d0> shez_: non è un po' strano che 2/2 pacchetti non ti funzionano, nemmeno secondo la tua versione di essere in live?\n<shez_> f843d0, si, ho tolto anche il dhcp, il browser si collega ad internet... asp provo a pingare qualcosa...\n<f843d0> shez_: considera che ogni distribuzione è testata prima di essere rilasciata. E il bug non scappa certo in fase di installazione\n<shez_> f843d0, pingo il sito di google tranquillamente\n<shez_> f843d0, l'update di apt-get riesce...\n<f843d0> shez_: apt-cache search pastebinit\n<f843d0> !paste | shez_\n<ubot-it> shez_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<shez_> f843d0, http://pastebin.com/h7bZ5eNt\n<f843d0> shez_: ora... se apt-cache search lo trova...\n<f843d0> shez_: sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<f843d0> shez_: qualcosa risponde\n<f843d0> !paste | shez_\n<ubot-it> shez_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<shez_> f843d0, http://pastebin.com/Q455H18f\n<f843d0> shez_: ti sembra pastebinit?\n<shez_> f843d0, no ma la live è su un altra macchina ......\n<f843d0> shez_: ok, quando fai pace con il cervello, sottoponi nuovamente il tuo problema\n<shez_> ?\n<shez_> non ho capito, si è offeso?\n<Guest18695> ho instlalato amule e mi dà questo errore: http://i.imgur.com/vpWRCyn.png?1\n<al-allahji> mi sapete dire xkè?\n<Mr_Pan> !amule\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/InternetRete/Condivisione/Amule - vedi anche la voce !adunanza\n<jn_jn> sera :D\n#ubuntu-it 2016-05-24\n<jn_jn> buongiorno,\n<Simone90> Buongiorno a tutti, ho scoperto di aver perso dei dati da un RAID 1 che all'apparenza funziona perfettamente ma che ha cancellato e quando il pc è acceso, continua a cancellare file da solo.\n<Simone90> Negli ultimi giorni ho formattato il pc (il SO è installato su un terzo disco) e dopo l'installazione di Ubuntu 16.04 per vedere il raid ho installato mdadm e ho dato il comando \"sudo mdadm --assemble --scan\". Tutto sembrava funzionare fino a quando non ho fatto questa scoperta\n<ExPBoy> Simone90, se si cancellano dati può essere un malfunzionamento hardware sul raid\n<Simone90> ExPBoy: il raid è stato creato con il software mdadm non con un controller hardware\n<ExPBoy> eh\n<ExPBoy> Simone90, non sono un veggente ma secondo me hai i dischi a buone donne\n<Simone90> ExPBoy: entrambi in contemporanea?\n<ExPBoy> Simone90, non so che dirti fai delle prove del tipo escludi un disco ... e simili\n<Simone90> ExPBoy: domanda banale, ma se tolgo uno dei due dischi li riesco a vedere normalmente (dato che sono in raid 1) o devo impartire qualche comando?\n<serenaf> Buongiorno tutti....sto tentando (nn riuscendoci) di ripristinare il pc con ubuntu 14.04 LTS che ad inserimento password iniziale crasha e non mi fa entrare, dopo vari tentativi adesso e' in tilt completo....riesco ad entrare in modalita' recovery ma non riesco a ripristinare....vorrei almeno recuperare i miei dati prima di formattare....Consigli?\n<serenaf> grz\n<serenaf> N.B. ho cambiato la passw ma niente da fare\n<ExPBoy> Simone90, in teoria lo vedi al limite sarà da montare\n<ExPBoy> serenaf, ma che è successo?\n<serenaf> grz tutti\n<ExPBoy> ?\n<ExPBoy> bho\n<Simone90> ExPBoy: ok prefetto, provo però facendo partire una live di ubuntu da USB, così se è un problema che c'è nel SO appena installato non me lo porto dietro, mentre se vedo che i file diminuiscono anche qui vuol dire che è il radi, in pratica restringo il campo\n<ExPBoy> Simone90, esatto\n<vincenzo82> ciao a tutti\n<vincenzo82> mi servirebbe installare sul computer un programma\n<vincenzo82> tipo daemon tools\n<vincenzo82> che programma mi consigliate e dove lo trovo?\n<vincenzo82> grazie in anticipo\n<miche_> vincenzo82: prova a cercare AcetoneISO\n<nitro282> ciao raga\n<nitro282> ho un problema\n<nitro282> ho installato la distro ubuntu 16.04\n<nitro282> vado per configurare la rete\n<nitro282> inserisco la maschera.... salvo.. non si collega\n<nitro282> scusate, ovviamente inserisco tutto, ip, maschera, gateway, dns\n<nitro282> salvo, non si collega, riapro e noto che nella maschera si mangia l'indirizzo\n<nitro282> trasformando 255.255.255.128 in 25 O-o\n<nitro282> ho provato anche con 255.255.255.255.0 nada\n<nitro282> provo a configurare tramite file interfaces\n<nitro282> e non sembra influire\n<nitro282> ho sempre confugurato senza problemi dall'interfaccia grafica\n<nitro282> non capisco perchè mi deve creare questo problema stupido\n<nitro282> non c'è nessuno?\n<dadexix86> nitro282, infatti è molto strano.\n<dadexix86> quando hai installato hai controllato l'MD5 dell'immagine?\n<dadexix86> se usi un altro utente funziona?\n<Carpte> buongiorno, sono di nuovo qui purtroppo... Dopo aver aggiornato la versione java come mi è stato suggerito ieri sto riscontrando notevoli difficolta in eclipse che mi crasha di continuo quando avvio il windowBuilder. Può dipendere dalla versione java? cioè openjdk version \"1.8.0_91\" ? Con java della oracle ci sono possibilita che risolvo il continu\n<Carpte> o crash?\n<Simone90> Buon pomeriggio a tutti, dopo alcuni problemi con un pc che utilizzavo come \"server\" domestico mi sono ritrovato con dei file cancellati su un Raid 1 creato con mdadm e con file system in ntfs\n<Simone90> qualcuno mi saprebbe aiutare nel recupero di questi dati?\n<Simone90> P.S. il raid funziona ed è perfettamente accessibile, non ha subito formattazioni o partizionamenti vari, semplicemente, a causa di un problema software di ignota natura, sono stati cancellati diversi file in cartelle a caso\n<akis24> !chat | Simone90\n<akis24> Simone90: poni la tua domanda su #ubuntu-it-chat visto che non è argomento da canale di supporto\n<Simone90> akis24: ok\n<Carpte> nessuno sa darmi un consiglio/indicazione?\n<akis24> Carpte: e la domanda ?\n<Carpte> buongiorno, sono di nuovo qui purtroppo... Dopo aver aggiornato la versione java come mi è stato suggerito ieri sto riscontrando notevoli difficolta in eclipse che mi crasha di continuo quando avvio il windowBuilder. Può dipendere dalla versione java? cioè openjdk version \"1.8.0_91\" ? Con java della oracle ci sono possibilita che risolvo il continu\n<Carpte> o crash?\n<akis24> Carpte: sarebbe da testare .. comunque chiedi su #ubuntu-it-chat\n<krabador> Carpte: è una questione che devi trattare con chi eclipse nello stesso sistema. Ieri hai chiesto , segnalato che avevi il problema con openjdk 7, ricevuto consiglio di provare con la 8, non hai segnalato se il problema si fosse risolto\n<Carpte> sisi il problema era risolto. con opnjdk7 non potevo compilare il sorgente con openjdk 8 compilo e eseguo ma se uso windowbuilder o simili crasha tutto\n<ubot-it> Simone90: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<nitro282> eccomi\n<nitro282> ora provo altro utent\n<gra> salve a tutti, in ubuntu 15.10 ho avuto problemi con gli spazzi di lavoro che a volte durante la selezione resta bloccato e debbo fare il reset del pc\n<akis24> gra: diminuiscili se possibile che pc hai ? cpu? ram ?\n<gra> ciao akis24 , sai dirmi il comando per terminale per sapere le caratteristiche?\n<akis24> gra: cat /proc/cpuinfo sul terminale e metti tutto su pastebin\n<gra> akis24 http://pastebin.com/B7y1ZW7z\n<akis24> gra: free da terminale e poi sempre su pastebin\n<gra> http://pastebin.com/8GZ5DLZG\n<akis24> gra: che versione di ubuntu hai ?\n<gra> 15.10\n<akis24> gra: sudo apt-get update .. sempre su paste\n<gra> http://pastebin.com/eEDMT1TY\n<akis24> gra: hai ppa nel sistema e quelli provocano problemi\n<gra> che sono i ppa?\n<akis24> gra: a breve \" luglio \" cessa il supporto per la tua versione ti conviene reinstallare da zero comunque\n<akis24> !ppa\n<akis24> gra: i ppa sono archivi di programmi non ufficiali diciamo cosi\n<akis24> gra: prova a dare sudo apt-get clean\n<akis24> gra: non avrai risposta non serve che lo metti su pastebin\n<akis24> gra: comunque se lavori contemporaneamente su diversi spazi di lavoro il sistema tende a rallentare ovviamente\n<gra> Fatto. io ho installato la versione 15.10 con java6 perche sembra supportare bene sweethome3d, e ho anche wine con cooledith e flash5 per windows\n<akis24> gra: prova a limitare le applicazioni che apri contemporaneamente\n<akis24> gra: specie se impegnative per il pc ..\n<gra> Alle brutte evito di usare gli spazzi multipli. Grazie mille per il supporto\n<akis24> di nulla gra\n<nitro282> niente, sono entrato come ospite\n<nitro282> solo la maschera non mi fa inserire e dopo che salvo la sballa\n<nitro282> il resto me li tiene come dati\n<nitro282> non ci posso credere\n<nitro282> e da tre giorni che non trovo soluzioni\n<akis24> nitro282: parli da solo in supporto ?\n<nitro282> ?\n<nitro282> parlo da solo se nessuno risponde\n<nitro282> altrimenti cerco risposte\n<nitro282> possibile che non posso risolvere questa cavolata?\n<glpiana> nitro282, puoi esporre il tuo problema con chiarezza? magari qualcuno può aiutarti\n<akis24> nitro282: fermo restando che sei nel canale di supporto fai vedere quando hai chiesto ???\n<nitro282> inserisco maschera 255.255.255.128, o anche 0\n<nitro282> salvo e quando riapro visto che non connette\n<nitro282> mi trovo invece di quell'indirizzo un bel 24\n<nitro282> *25\n<nitro282> sono chiaro?\n<glpiana> nitro282, https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subnet_mask\n<nitro282> glpiana..\n<nitro282> ti conosco da circa 10 anni in questa chat :D\n<nitro282> avro installato ubuntu circa 200 volte\n<nitro282> ed ho questo problema.... vero\n<glpiana> nitro282, 25 è esattamente quello che hai scritto, 255.255.255.128\n<nitro282> ahhhh viene tradotto?\n<nitro282> e perchè allora non si connette??\n<glpiana> nitro282, eh, guarda anche il link che ti ho postato. non è comunque una novità dell'ultimo mese\n<nitro282> ahahah\n<f843d0> nitro282: probabilmente con quella maschera non vede il gateway o dhcp server\n<glpiana> nitro282, la connessione non è fatta solo di subnet mask. c'è l'ip, c'è il gateway, ci sono i dns... tante cose\n<nitro282> ma ubuntu non l'ho ha mai gestito cosi\n<nitro282> e non stavo pensando a quello ma piuttosto a un problema\n<nitro282> infatti è tutto corretto\n<nitro282> niente, allora cerco altrove il problema\n<simzar> salve, ho cliccato su un settattoggio dell'unity tweak tool e mi si è bloccato il sistema. sono da guest e non riesco più ad entrare con il mio account\n<simzar> che posso tentare?\n<f843d0> simzar: una possibilità è accedere da tty e cancellare ~/.config\n<f843d0> simzar: tutte le tue personalizzazioni delle applicazioni verranno perse\n<simzar> ok, come procedo?, hai una guida?\n<simzar> come apro una tty?\n<simzar> un terminale è uguale?\n<f843d0> simzar: un terminale è uguale\n<f843d0> simzar: entrare in tty significa accedere a un terminale senza interfaccia grafica\n<f843d0> simzar: modalità percorribile con Ctrl + Alt + F1 e ripristinabile con Ctrl + Alt + F6 o F7\n<simzar> F7, ok\n<simzar> mi loggo come utente admin e poi cosa cerco?\n<f843d0> simzar: il tuo utente sotto /home/[utente]\n<simzar> home/.config, giusto? da cancellare\n<f843d0> simzar: no, /home/[utente]/.config\n<simzar> ok\n<simzar> mi dice che è una directory\n<simzar> la rimuovo?\n<simzar> -f?\n<f843d0> simzar: rm -r /path/to/folder\n<simzar> rm -f\n<simzar> ok\n<simzar> non me la fa rimuovere\n<f843d0> simzar: dicendo?\n<simzar> che è una directory\n<f843d0> simzar: che comando impartisci?\n<simzar> Is a directory\n<simzar> sudo rm - f\n<f843d0> simzar: se ti ostini a usare -f invece che -r, ci passi il prossimo Ciclo Cosmologico Conforme a dare il comando\n<f843d0> 20:11:29< f843d0> simzar: rm -r /path/to/folder\n<simzar> hahaha\n<simzar> ok\n<simzar> scusa\n<orcra> ciao quando cerco di sospendere il sistema mi si spegne lo schermo e non c'è modo di uscirne se non tenere premuto accensione.\n<orcra> ho ubuntu 16.04\n<simzar> f843d0 riavvio?\n<f843d0> simzar: prova, buona fortuna\n<simzar> oppur devo ristabilire quella directory?\n<simzar> ok\n<samuele4414> buonasera\n<simzar> f843d0: fantastico, e adesso?\n<simzar> che sarebbe successo? non ho più le configurazioni di impostazione personale?\n<simzar> ma a parte quello, sembra che ho il software con gli accessi corretti, firefox funziona come prima\n<f843d0> simzar: esattamente, avevo avvisato\n<f843d0> 20:04:05< f843d0> simzar: tutte le tue personalizzazioni delle applicazioni verranno perse\n<Federico> Buonasera, ho bisogno di aiuto per iniziare con ubuntu...\n<Federico> qualcuno anche in privato senza rompere a tutti mi può aiutare?\n<simzar> certo, ma è molto meglio che non aver accesso del tutto, mi sembra grandioso\n<orcra> qualcuno sa quale sia il problema?\n<simzar> Federico: chiedi e basta\n<simzar> f843d0: ma è una scheggia, molto più veloce di prima, può essere che le configurazioni influissero sulle prestazioni?\n<doom_> ho impostato su ubuntu gnome il tema scuro globale ma cè un problema su ubuntu software center non vedo la descrizione dei programmi da installare\n<simzar> f843d0: di male in meglio, così tanto da far impressione, sono contento, grazie.\n<f843d0> simzar: sehr gerne, buon sistema\n<simzar> sehr? gerne?\n<f843d0> simzar: (è un piacere)\n<simzar> f843d0: sehr gerne!\n<orcra> grazie\n<McLaren> Buonasera. Ho installato una scheda video Ati-Radeon HD3470 sulla MOBO, 2 uscite DP , monitor collegato con adattatore VGA. Putroppo ho lo schermo nero. Se faccio partire in modalita' normale dal menu Recovery vedo il desktop. Ho buttato ieri sera qualche comando nel terminale per controllare ma sembra tutto ok.\n<doom_> salve ho impostato su ubuntu gnome il tema scuro globale ma cè un problema su ubuntu software center non vedo la descrizione dei programmi da installare\n<primaesperienza> salve ragazzi sto cercando di installare chrome ma di da errore \" La dipendenza non può essere soddisfatta: libstdc++6 (>=4.8.0) \"\n<primaesperienza> uso ubuntu 12.04\n<vincenzo82> ciao volevo sapere come si chiama il programma identico a daemon tools in ubuntu?\n#ubuntu-it 2016-05-25\n<Alessio> Salve ho un problema , dopo aver formattato e installato linux Ubuntu , ho cercato di installare alcune applicazioni come un anti virus e u torrent, ma non avvia le applicazioni non le installa e non le apre proprio\n<Alessio> Ho provato ad installare wine , e tutti i programmi interessati per lanciare un app ma niente sono inesperto non ho mai avuto linux\n<Alessio> Nessuno può aiutarmi?\n<sdsfhhj_> buongiorno sto provando ad installare ubuntu16.04, ma sono bloccato sulla schermata delle partizioni, avrei bisogno di consigli!\n<sdsfhhj_> la schermata mi da tre possibilita, 1 installa ubuntu accanto...... 2 cancella disco...... 3 altro\n<sdsfhhj_> io sul pc ho gia installato linux mint e windows e vorrei installare ubuntu al posto di linux mint e mantenere windowsint\n<sdsfhhj_> buongiorno sto provando ad installare ubuntu16.04, ma sono bloccato sulla schermata delle partizioni, avrei bisogno di consigli!\n<sdsfhhj_> la schermata mi da tre possibilita, 1 installa ubuntu accanto...... 2 cancella disco...... 3 altro\n<sdsfhhj_> io sul pc ho gia installato linux mint e windows e vorrei installare ubuntu al posto di linux mint e mantenere windows.\n<sdsfhhj_> Vado sulla scelta 3 altro⦠e mi si presenta la tabella delle partizioni e qui mi fermo.Come faccio a cancellare linux mint e mettere ubuntu al suo posto?\n<ExPBoy> sdsfhhj_, installi sulla stessa partizione dove c'è mint e si cancella da solo\n<sdsfhhj_> ExPBoy, e ho provato ma qualcosa non funzia o sbaglio...\n<ExPBoy> !installazione\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<akis24> sdsfhhj_: sbagli .. ti basta selezionarla e assegnargli mountpoint / ext4 formattare si e verra' usata per l'installazione\n<ExPBoy> eh\n<sdsfhhj_> akis24, se seleziono la partizione di mint,poi faccio modifica_\n<sdsfhhj_> ?\n<ExPBoy> ?\n<ExPBoy> non hai detto che vuoi installare?\n<akis24> sdsfhhj_: esatto\n<sdsfhhj_> ExPBoy, ubuntu 16.04\n<ExPBoy> eh quindi cosa non hai capito di : installare sulla partizione mint?\n<sdsfhhj_> se seleziono modifica si apre una finestra con la dimensione della partizione e usare come,\n<akis24> sdsfhhj_: si devi solo impostarla come ext4 punto di mount / e poi applica modifica\n<sdsfhhj_> akis24, ah adesso provo\n<sdsfhhj_> akis24, in punto di mount cosa metto\n<akis24> sdsfhhj_: eh te l'ho scritto due volte gia' /\n<sdsfhhj_> akis24, scusa non avevo...\n<sdsfhhj_> akis24, ok è partita grazieeeeee\n<akis24> prego\n<Guest59255> Buongiorno a tutti, una domanda forse \"stupida\" a cui spero qualcuno possa rispondere... se una lts ha una versione del PHP in end of life, Canonical cmq continuera' a tappare i buchi sulla sicurezza fino alla fine della LTS giusto ?\n<akis24> Guest59255: si la versione di php verra' aggiornata come il resto \" sempreche' abbiano qualcosa da tappare \"\n<Guest59255> grazie mille akis24\n<akis24> ovvio che la versione di php deve essere quella dei repo ufficiali .. di nulla\n<vincenzo82> ciao a tutti\n<vincenzo82> volevo sapere se ce un programma identico a daemon tools ma per ubuntu\n<vincenzo82> io ne ho provati un po ma non funzionano\n<akis24> vincenzo82: se si tratta di montare qualhe immagine .iso puoi usare acetoneiso\n<vincenzo82> lo so\n<akis24> vincenzo82: e allora che chiedi a fare\n<vincenzo82> akis24 non è solo quello\n<vincenzo82> akis24 per simulare cd virtuali?\n<akis24> !chat | vincenzo82:\n<ubot-it> vincenzo82:: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<vincenzo82> akis24\n<vincenzo82> akis24 grazie\n<akis24> di nulla\n<domenico> buongiorno a tutti per favoe una domanda...:date supporto anche per installazioni di edubuntu? ho spento il sistema con il tasto di alimentazione ed non si è piu avviato l'os\n<akis24> domenico: e all'avvio cosa ti appare ?\n<domenico> si blocca ad una schermata con scritto mi pare senbox...ecc...ho montato l'hd in un box ex usb e ho installato linuxlite sto usando questp per scrivere\n<domenico> sembrerebbe dannegiata la partizione in quanto tramite il gestore di cartelle non mi legge la partizione,o meglio la legge ma non mi fa entrare mi da errore\n<ExPBoy> domenico, potresti essere più preciso?\n<domenico> vorrei essere piu preciso ma non son tanto pratico di linux in generale...\n<akis24> domenico: intanto potresti provare ad accedere in recovery mode per tentare di ripararare il sistema\n<domenico> fatto non funziona\n<domenico> si blocca sempre alla solita schermata\n<akis24> domenico: se ci posti lerrore con esattezza se no andiamo a girare a vuoto\n<ExPBoy> sarebbe bene sapere l'errore preciso\n<ExPBoy> eh\n<akis24> l'errore*\n<domenico> busybox\n<ExPBoy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=822576\n<domenico> appare la schermata nera con scritto :busybox v ecc built-in.the.shell enter help for a list of built-in commands\n<ExPBoy> leggi il post\n<domenico> e non va avanti...\n<domenico> ok grazie\n<ExPBoy> domenico, in google trovi parecchio aiuto se l'errore è quello\n<domenico> ti ringrazio ho cercato ma non son riuscito a trovare la soluzione...continuo a carcare grazie ancora\n<ONEUBU> salve possiedo ubuntu 14.04, c'e' un modo invece di premere 2 volte x aprire una cartella basta 1 solo click per aprirla?\n<glpiana> ONEUBU, potresti provare a controllare nel gestore dei file, sotto \"modifica\" -> \"preferenze\". ci dovrebbe essere una scheda relativa al comportamento del mouse\n<ONEUBU> dove trovo gestore dei file?\n<glpiana> ONEUBU, il gestore dei file è il programma con cui visualizzi le icone dei file e le cartelle. se hai ubuntu con unity lo puoi aprire con la casetta in alto a sinistra\n<ONEUBU> cartella home?\n<glpiana> sì\n<ONEUBU> aprendo home tasto dx mi dà : proprietà non mi compare modifica o preferenze\n<ONEUBU> uso ubuntu 14.04 lts\n<glpiana> ONEUBU, no, apri normalmente il rpogramma. poi devi andare sulle preferenze del programma. se non hai un menu in alto con scritto \"modifica\", avrai un tasto in alto a destra, che, cliccato, ti mostrerà un menu\n<ONEUBU> http://s33.postimg.org/7ambrd1b3/Schermata_del_2016_05_25_13_05_35.png\n<glpiana> ONEUBU, se ti sposti col mouse in alto, sulla barra dove leggi \"Cartella home\", ti appariranno delle voci. una è \"modifica\"\n<ONEUBU> http://s33.postimg.org/jn1mnyehr/Schermata_del_2016_05_25_13_08_16.png\n<glpiana> ONEUBU, ho scritto \"barra in alto\", non di fianco\n<ONEUBU> http://s33.postimg.org/jeaj4szbz/Schermata_del_2016_05_25_13_10_01.png\n<ONEUBU> http://s33.postimg.org/49e0bg6ov/Schermata_del_2016_05_25_13_12_20.png\n<glpiana> ONEUBU, non ci capiamo. io intendo la barra che fa cornice allo schermo, quella che riporta la scritta \"Cartella home\" in alto, sopra le icone della barra laterale\n<ONEUBU> haaaa si si\n<ONEUBU> trovato :)\n<ONEUBU> ;)\n<ONEUBU> non la vedevo proprio quella hihiiihi abituato cn win\n<ONEUBU> grazie\n<glpiana> :)\n<ONEUBU> scusa se ti ho fatto perdere la testa :)\n<ONEUBU> la barra laterale si può spostare giu?\n<glpiana> ONEUBU, su 14.04 no, che io sappia\n<ONEUBU> in quale versione si può?\n<glpiana> mi pare di aver letto che lo si può fare nella 16.04\n<gigirock> si solo nella 1604 ....\n<ONEUBU> si ho letto nella 16.04\n<ONEUBU> ma si può aggiornare da 14.04 a 16.04?\n<ONEUBU> se si come fare?\n<gigirock> certo\n<gigirock> !avanzamento\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/NoteAvanzamento\n<ONEUBU> secondo voi mi consigliate ad effettuare aggiornamento da 14.04 a 16.04?\n<ONEUBU> questo notebook asus x54c è uscito con ubuntu 12.04 ho aggiornato a 14.04\n<nieppidefeffi> salve possiedo ubuntu 14.04 vorrei passare a 16.04 ma se provo ad aggiornare mi esce che è già aggiornato è non mi fà passare alla 16.04\n<nieppidefeffi> http://s33.postimg.org/ocyqceajj/Schermata_del_2016_05_25_13_33_54.png\n<nieppidefeffi> http://s33.postimg.org/n118yz2e7/Schermata_del_2016_05_25_13_34_07.png\n<nieppidefeffi> http://s33.postimg.org/8nh5sy7z3/Schermata_del_2016_05_25_13_34_23.png\n<nieppidefeffi> dove sbaglio?\n<gigirock> nieppidefeffi, vai in aggiornamenti software e metti \"da LTS\"\n<nieppidefeffi> è già impostato su lts\n<gigirock> nieppidefeffi, devi avere anche disco libero a sufficienza\n<nieppidefeffi> non ho installato nulla solo chrome e amule\n<gigirock> nieppidefeffi, allora ctrl alt t poi sudo update-manager -d\n<nieppidefeffi> http://s33.postimg.org/i5888f8bj/Schermata_del_2016_05_25_13_46_34.png\n<gigirock> nieppidefeffi, seleziona anche i proposti\n<nieppidefeffi> con il comendo sudo update-manager -d è uscito\n<nieppidefeffi> adesso sta facendo agg.\n<gigirock> nieppidefeffi, hai driver video particolari ?\n<nieppidefeffi> no\n<nieppidefeffi> notebook x54c\n<nieppidefeffi> ubuntu certified con ubuntu 12.04\n<nieppidefeffi> mi è uscito software di 3 parti disattivato\n<gigirock> nieppidefeffi, nei driver video hai qualche driver 'proprietario' ?\n<nieppidefeffi> come lo vedo\n<gigirock> nieppidefeffi, si ok tutto normale .... vedi che tra una mezz'ora ti chiede delle conferme\n<nieppidefeffi> http://s33.postimg.org/iynmwtkgv/Schermata_del_2016_05_25_13_50_46.png\n<nieppidefeffi> che faccio?\n<gigirock> si ok procedi\n<nieppidefeffi> ok\n<gigirock> si ma amule non si puo' vedere......\n<nieppidefeffi> xchè?\n<nieppidefeffi> :(\n<gigirock> niente dai\n<nieppidefeffi> non è buono?\n<nieppidefeffi> quanto ci mette a finire?\n<nieppidefeffi> http://s33.postimg.org/z490a0rmn/Schermata_del_2016_05_25_13_54_13.png\n<Fero> ciao a tutti\n<morfeo> ciao\n<morfeo> chi può aiutarmi a stabilire una connessione alla rete internet con il terminale?\n<akis24> morfeo: chiedi in chat e non in supporto\n<morfeo> si grazie, ora ci riprovo\n<akis24> !chat | morfeo cliccaci sopra ..\n<ubot-it> morfeo cliccaci sopra ..: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<federico> buona sera mi potete dire come fare due partizioni nel mio hard disk con ubuntu\n<federico> grazie in anticipo\n<federico> c e qualcuno\n<f843d0> !gparted | federico\n<ubot-it> federico: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviPartizioni/PartizionamentoManuale\n<federico> lo sto usando ma non mi fa modificare nulla\n<federico> non mi ga modificare gli spazzi\n<federico> fa\n<federico> come posso fare\n<akis24> federico: per agire sulle partizioni devi smontarle e poi puoi effettuare le modfiche sempre che non siano in uso\n<federico> non mi fa smontare\n<akis24> federico: quale partizione vuoi modificare ? quella di sistema ?\n<federico> si\n<federico> ho soo quella\n<federico> solo\n<akis24> federico: devi farlo da disco live non puoi modificare una partizione in uso\n<federico> come faccio\n<akis24> federico: ti scarichi una versione di ubuntu ti crei il disco live oppure la usb e poi modifichi la partizione su hard-disk\n<federico> ok ci provo\n<gigirock> ciprovaci\n<Guest88867> Salve a tutti, ho avuto un problema nel disinstallare Avidemux. Il programma compare nella barra di ricerca di ubuntu, ma non nel software center, e quando provo a disinstallarlo con sudo apt-get remove mi dice che il pacchetto non è installato. Inoltre continuo a ricevere richieste di aggiornamento per l'applicazione... Come posso fare?\n<mike00> ciao, qualcuno sa che comando devo usare per aprire telegram desktop da terminale?\n<mike00> lo vorrei mettere nelle applicazioni d'avvio... se possibile\n<gigirocK> mike00: ma si dovrà avviare sul dedktop ?\n<gigirocK> *desktop\n<mike00> in che senso?\n<krabador> spesso in uno solo ;)\n<gigirocK> mike00: lo vuoi avviare da terminale per vederlo sul desktop ?\n<mike00> mi serve il comando per aprirlo\n<mike00> e poi inserire il comando nelle Applicazioni d'Avvio\n<mike00> ???\n<krabador> mike00, http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/AvvioAutomatico#Unity\n<doom_> Salve ho impostato su ubuntu gnome14.04.4 il tema scuro globale e tema finestra e gtk Numix, il problema e che aprendo il software center e tutto bianco e non leggo i nomi delle applicazioni e le informazioni delle app.\n<krabador> doom_, molte applicazioni non supportano adwaita dark\n<doom_> krabador non c'è un modo per risolvere? uso gnome14.04\n<krabador> doom_, non puoi pretendere che il sistema risponda completamente alle modifiche arbitrarie dell'utente\n<doom_> krabador - purtroppo gnome software non me lo fa scaricare su questa versione\n<krabador> doom_, hai 14.04.4 , tieni quello che è a corredo con quella versione\n<krabador> puoi solo provare a modificare parametri specifici di software center, che , in presenza di ulteriori customizzazioni che hai fatto , possono non riquadrare lo stesso\n<krabador> doom_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1913590\n<krabador> http://askubuntu.com/a/426742\n<mike00> krabador, lo so come aggiungere un programma alle Applicazioni d'Avvio, ma nmon so il comando di telegram desktop...\n<mike00> qualuno lo sa?\n<doom_> krabador dove trovo i codici per cambiare colore del testo?\n<afiox> buonasera, ho ubuntu 14.04 e vorrei passare al 16.04. In passato quando c'erano delle nuove versioni con altri pc ho ricevuto msg che chiedevano di passare alla versione successiva. come posso fare adesso visto che non ho ricevuto ancora alcun msg per l'aggiornamento?\n<afiox> grazie anticipatamente\n<Clutch1> Buonasera, avrei bisogno di un supporto su scheda video. Ho installato una Ati HD3470 ma ho lo schermo nero. Vedo la grafica se parto in modalità Resume e poi normal. Problema di driver o diritti ? il log di gpu manage dice questo..Error: can't access /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:01:00.0/driver\n<gigirock> zack_, iiddnn almeno salutare....\n<zack_> scusate. buonasera a tutti\n<true89> come facci a stallare i driver della mia stampante dal cmd ho gia il fail\n<gigirock> true89, prego fornire maggiori dettagli\n<true89> ho una stampante brother hl-1212w ho scaricato i draiver da internet per stampare ma non so come installarli\n<gigirock> true89, cosa hai scaricato ? che file ?\n<true89> ho scaricato i driver di stsmpa in formato deb\n<true89> formato .gz\n<gigirock> allora o deb o gz quale dei due ?\n<true89> gz\n<gigirock> ok ctrl alt t\n<gigirock> si apre un terminale ?\n<true89> si\n<gigirock> scrivi sudo apt install pastebinit\n<true89> fatto\n<gigirock> ok adesso come si chiama il file che hai scaricato ?\n<true89> linux-brprinter-installer-2.0.0-1.gz\n<gigirock> allora da dove 6 scrivi cp Scaricati/linux-brprinter-installer-2.0.0-1.gz .\n<true89> no such file or directory\n<true89> mi dice cosi\n<gigirock> scrivi ls -l | pastebinit\n<gigirock> mandami il link che ti ritorna\n<true89> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16693833/\n<true89> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16693833/\n<true89> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16693833/\n<gigirock> allora da dove 6 scrivi cp Scar poi premi TAB e vedi che lui ti scrive Scaricati/ poi scrivi linu poi TAB e vedi che lui completa.... metti il punto e invio\n<true89> cp Scart.\n<gigirock> true89, ma hai scaricato dal browser ?\n<true89> si\n<true89> cp scar.\n<gigirock> Scar con maiuscolo\n<gigirock> true89, in ubuntu maiuscole e minuscole contano\n<true89> cp: missing destination file operand after âScar.â\n<true89> cp: missing destination file operand after âScar.â\n<true89> cp: missing destination file operand after âScar.â\n<true89> cp: missing destination file operand after âScar.â\n<true89> mi da cosi\n<gigirock> true89, dopo cp Scar devi usare il tasto tab , non enter\n<gigirock> sai quale e' il tasto tab true89 ?\n<true89> scrivo linu e poi pigio tab ma non fa nulla\n<true89> si\n<gigirock> true89, dai .... cp Scaricati/linux-brprinter-installer-2.0.0-1.gz . fai copia incolla del comando dai............\n<true89> No such file or directory\n<gigirock> true89, ls Scaricati/ | pastebinit\n<true89> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16694089/\n<gigirock> true89, ma dove e' sto file ?\n<gigirock> true89, ls linux* | pastebinit\n<true89> You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.\n<gigirock> true89, find . -iname \"linu*\" | pastebinit\n<Clutch1> buonanotte a tutti\n<true89> autoremove\" per rimuoverli.\n<true89> 0 aggiornati, 0 installati, 0 da rimuovere e 218 non aggiornati.\n<true89> zoppi18@zoppi18-Aspire-E5-571G:~$ find . -iname \"linu*\" | pastebinit\n<true89> find: `./.gvfs': Permission denied\n<true89> find: `./.cache/dconf': Permission denied\n<true89> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16694176/\n<gigirock> true89, cd Documenti\n<true89> ???\n<gigirock> true89, sudo bash linux-brprinter-installer-2.0.0-1\n<true89> printer-installer-2.0.0-1: No such file or directory\n<gigirock> true pwd | pastebinit\n<gigirock> true89,pwd | pastebinit\n<true89> buntu.com/16694264/\n<gigirock> true89, cd Documenti\n<true89> fatto\n<gigirock> true89, sudo bash linux-brprinter-installer-2.0.0-1\n<true89> mi ha scritto in rosso me ->\n<gigirock> ?\n<true89> ho scritto come mi hai detto te e mi ha scritto me -> tutto in rosso\n<gigirock> me -> nel senso il tuo user ?\n<true89> no proprio me\n<gigirock> true89, fai control + c ....\n<gigirock> true89, poi cd ..\n<gigirock> true89, wget http://download.brother.com/welcome/dlf006893/linux-brprinter-installer-2.0.0-1.gz\n<true89> ora ha scritto il mio nome in rosso\n<gigirock> mah , sei nella tua dir ?\n<gigirock> true89, si e' scaricato il file ?\n<true89> si\n<true89> cosa è la dir\n<gigirock> true89, gunzip linux-brprinter-installer-2.0.0-1.gz\n<true89> l ho messo ma non mi ha fatto niente\n<gigirock> true89, ls -l | pastebinit\n<true89> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16694462/\n<gigirock> true89, sudo chmod +x linux-brprinter-installer-2.0.0-1\n<true89> non fa nulla\n<gigirock> ok true89 come si chiama la stampante: modello ?\n<true89> brother hl-1212w\n<gigirock> true89, sudo bash linux-brprinter-installer-2.0.0-1 HL-1212W\n<true89> Driver-packages cannot be found.\n<true89> Confirm the model name.\n<gigirock> true89, sudo bash linux-brprinter-installer-2.0.0-1\n<true89> ora ha smesso di scrivere in rosso\n<gigirock> true89, come e' collegata la stampante con usb ?\n<true89> mi ha detto imputmodel name ->\n<gigirock> true89, prova HL-1212\n<true89> no la stampante no la ho con me al momento\n<true89> comunque la posso colegare wirles o con usb\n<gigirock> con usb e' + semplice\n<gigirock> deve essere collegata per completare installazione\n<true89> Driver-packages cannot be found.\n<true89> Confirm the model name.\n<gigirock> 6 sicuro del modello ?\n<true89> si\n<true89> hl-1212w\n<gigirock> true89, sudo bash linux-brprinter-installer-2.0.0-1 -h\n<true89> USAGE: linux-brprinter-installer-2.0.0-1 model\n<true89> : linux-brprinter-installer-2.0.0-1 -f model\n<true89> : linux-brprinter-installer-2.0.0-1 -l\n<true89> che devo fare\n<gigirock> non c'e' quel modello nei driver....\n<true89> ?\n<true89> lo so la loro assistenza mi ha detto che per linux sono tuttinuguali\n<gigirock> lol\n<true89> tutti uguali\n<true89> mi hanno detto che era anche facile\n<true89> comunque il failè su ducumenti\n<gigirock> http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadhowto.aspx?c=it&lang=it&prod=hl1212w_us_eu&os=128&dlid=dlf101546_000&flang=4&type3=561\n<gigirock> true89, ma se segui il link che ti ho mandato .... non e' il file che hai scaricato tu\n<true89> me l ha scaricato e penso che funzioni grazie mille della tua pazienza buona notte\n<Guest88867> Salve a tutti, ho avuto un problema nel disinstallare Avidemux. Il programma compare nella barra di ricerca di ubuntu, ma non nel software center, e quando provo a disinstallarlo con sudo apt-get remove mi dice che il pacchetto non è installato. Inoltre continuo a ricevere richieste di aggiornamento per l'applicazione... Come posso fare?\n<Guest42287> salve, la tastiera del mio laptop hp non viene riconosciuta dalla live 16.04\n<Guest42287> idee?\n<Mr_Pan> Guest42287, in che senso non viene riconsociut ala tastiera ? da dove scrivi ?\n<Guest42287> ciao Mr_Pan\n<Guest42287> bios la vede e la posso usare\n<Guest42287> ma come parte la gui non posso più scrivere\n<Guest42287> Mr_Pan, ??\n<Innerina> C'é qualcuno sveglio a quest'ora? Ho un problema con un pacchetto danneggiato...\n<krabador> certo, se dormono non ti risponderanno\n<Innerina> Eh per forza era una domanda del tipo se ci sei batti un colpo XD\n<Innerina> detto questo, è ubuntu-desktop la rogna =/\n<krabador> Innerina, sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> Innerina, dpkg -i | grep ubuntu-desktop | pastebinit\n<Innerina> Ok\n<krabador> in tutto questo, da quale ubuntu/derivata stai scrivendo ?\n<Innerina> Ubuntu Mate 16.04 appena avanzato\n<Innerina> sembra andato a buon fine tutto tranne questo\n<Innerina> Mi dà questo output: dpkg: errore: l'operazione richiesta necessita dei privilegi di super-utente\n<Innerina> Si sta tentando di inviare un documento vuoto, in chiusura.\n<krabador> beh, in ubuntu-mate ubuntu-desktop non ti serve\n<Innerina> Ah ottimo\n<Innerina> ma dove dà problemi invece?\n<Innerina> Dico gli ambienti\n<krabador> è il metapacchetto per ubuntu main, con unity\n<Innerina> Ah, dà problemi col fallback?\n<Innerina> Di Unity me ne frego, ma quello fallback...\n<krabador> no, l'avanzamento di versione, da qualsiasi versione a qualsiasi versione, se il sistema è parecchio \"vissuto\" puo' avere noie del genere\n<krabador> ma fallback in mate non ti serve neanche\n<krabador> è una questione unity\n<Innerina> No, è un altro degli ambienti che ho\n<Innerina> Perché avevo anche Ubuntu classico con Unity + il fallback\n<krabador> fallback è una modalità di unity\n<krabador> esatto\n<Innerina> ma ormai uso solo Mate...\n<krabador> se la dimensione è questa puoi lasciarlo com'è\n<Innerina> Ma se entro in fallback appunto, avrò noie col desktop?\n<krabador> non hai ubuntu mate, se partivi da ubuntu a cui hai messo mate\n<Innerina> Sì è così, ci ho aggiunto Mate\n<krabador> conseguentemente problemi con componenti ubuntu main, se vuoi usare ubuntu main un fallback o meno\n<krabador> te li porti dietro\n<Innerina> mi sembra di ricordare\n<krabador> se sei intenzionata ad usare mate, puoi ignorare\n<krabador> altrimenti sudo apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-desktop\n<Innerina> Ho capito ma se entro in Unity o fallback che succede con questo metapacchetto fallato?\n<Innerina> Non vedo il desktop o cosa?\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop\n<krabador> sudo apt-get build-dep ubuntu-desktop\n<Innerina> Ho già provato il reinstall da Synaptic, ma non funziona\n<Innerina> cmq grazie\n<krabador> keep calm and use bash\n<krabador> segnala se hai errori durante la procedura\n<Innerina> Ah ho capito cosa sbagliavo, riprovo il comando di prima\n<Innerina> ah no\n<Innerina> farò come dici tu\n#ubuntu-it 2016-05-26\n<Innerina> Ok, sembra andato tutto a buon fine, ho pure fatto pulizia con sudo apt-get autoremove.. e si è pulito anche il grub =)\n<krabador> perfetto\n<Innerina> Grazie e buonanotte... =)\n<Python_96> Buongiorno, ho installato ubuntu 16.04 ma la mia scheda video mi da problemi ovvero: vedo lo schermo scolorito. Non so proprio come risolvere vi prego aiuto. Scheda video = amd hd 8570d & amd r740. Il driver che il sistema ha installato è il radeon.\n<Python_96> c'è qualcuno che mi può aiutare?\n<jn_jn> Python_96, prova a chiedere e vedi se ti risponde qualcuno\n<ExPBoy> !qualcuno\n<ubot-it> la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<Joan> buongiorno a tutti, premesso che mi sono avvicinato da poco ai sistemi linux vi chiedo un aiuto perchè attualmente utilizzo Xubuntu LTS 14.04 che vorrei aggiornare alla versione 16.04. Il mio sistema non rileva questa nuova versione pertanto non mi propone l'aggiornamento...come posso farlo ?fare\n<Joan> grazie\n<akis24> Joan: aspettare che segnali la possibilita' di avanzare\n<ExPBoy> !aggiornamento\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione#Avanzamento_di_versione\n<Joan> non c'è un modo per farlo da terminale ?\n<Joan> non c'è un modo per farlo da terminale ?\n<ExPBoy> Joan, leggere la guida no?\n<akis24> e ci si stanca se leggeva in fondo .. capiva\n<glpiana> Joan, anzitutto i repository devono essere a posto\n<glpiana> Joan, apri un terminale e digita: sudo apt-get update dopodichè copia tutto l'output su pastebin\n<glpiana> !paste | Joan\n<ubot-it> Joan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Joan> ok, scusatemi e grazie per le risposte\n<Python_96> ho installato ubuntu 16.04 ma la mia scheda video mi da problemi ovvero: vedo lo schermo scolorito. Non so proprio come risolvere vi prego aiuto. Scheda video = amd hd 8570d & amd r740. Il driver che il sistema ha installato è il radeon.\n<Python_96> sono disperato :(\n<jn_jn> Python hai provato con i nouveau?\n<glpiana> jn_jn, i nouveau sono per le schede nvidia, non per le amd\n<jn_jn> prima casomai prova con i nouveau poi trovati i driver appropriati per la tua gpu e li installi manualmente se servisse, io non ho schede video AMD e mai le avrò, potrebbe essere che i driver per la 16 sono buggati e devi attendere che venga risolto, oppure ti da problemi il fatto che ci sono 2 gpu\n<glpiana> Python_96, durante l'installazione e prima ancora durante la prova da live avevi il problema dello schermo?\n<jn_jn> ok credevo fossero buoni per amd i mesa li può usare?\n<glpiana> jn_jn, mesa non sono driver, sono librerie\n<jn_jn> glpiana, appunto che driver usano le amd?\n<glpiana> jn_jn, radeon\n<jn_jn> e basta?\n<glpiana> jn_jn, nella 16.04 credo ci siano solo quelli e non ci siano più gli fglrx, cioè i driver proprietari\n<jn_jn> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2016-March/016315.html\n<jn_jn> ho trovato questo forse non puoi avere un sistema stabile nella 16 con gpu amd\n<jn_jn> quindi torna alla 14\n<glpiana> jn_jn, basta limitarsi a usare i radeon e il sistema sarà stabile, senza dubbio\n<jn_jn> è ma se ha i radeon e non gli funzionano dove sta il probl?\n<jn_jn> non credo che sia un problema HW\n<glpiana> jn_jn, fin che non risponde non lo sapremo mai. inoltre non è questo il canale in cui tirare a indovinare risposte su argomenti che si ignorano\n<ExPBoy> :)\n<glpiana> jn_jn, se vogliamo chiacchierare della cosa, entra in #ubuntu-it-chat\n<jn_jn> ok volevo perdere un pò di tempo\n<jn_jn> scusate\n<Python_96> glpiana: già da quando ho avviato la live\n<Python_96> glpiana: e prima anche con windows perchè non trovavo il driver giusto. Perciò come faccio :'(\n<glpiana> Python_96, prendi per cortesia una videata per farci capire qual è il problema\n<glpiana> !image | Python_96\n<ubot-it> Python_96: Carica un'immagine su http://prnt.sc/ o https://imgur.com/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<Python_96> glpiana: se vi faccio lo screen voi lo vedete normale\n<Python_96> è poi in questo momento sono a lavoro\n<jn_jn> prova ad inviarlo\n<Python_96> ho già provato e ne sono sicuro al 100% jn_jn\n<ExPBoy> Python_96, difficile aiutarti ....\n<glpiana> Python_96, beh, nel caso puoi sempre fare una foto allo schermo col cellulare in modo da mostrarci quello che vedi tu\n<glpiana> Python_96, ma se al momento non hai il pc sotto mano...\n<Python_96> glpiana: vedo se riesco a farmela inviare due secondi\n<glpiana> Python_96, intanto dimmi: driver aggiuntivi ti propone qualcosa?\n<Python_96> no\n<Python_96> comunque adesso non mi possono mandare la foto\n<Python_96> vi spiego in poche parole i colori del monitor non sono belli limpidi/nitidi ma si vedo molto scoloriti vengono caricati di più i colori scuri\n<Python_96> non so se mi sono spiegato\n<Python_96> :)\n<glpiana> Python_96, stiamo parlando di un portatile?\n<Python_96> desktop\n<glpiana> Python_96, hai già provato a configurare la gamma dei colori con le impostazioni dello schermo?\n<Python_96> ovvero?\n<ExPBoy> Python_96, hai detto che avevi problemi anche in windows quindi mai andato bene quel coso?\n<glpiana> Python_96, il tuo monitor ha sicuramente dei tasti per configurarne luminosità contrasto gamma e quant'altro\n<Python_96> ExPBoy: si andava bene con i vecchi driver ma da quando amd gli ha aggiornati ho sto problema\n<Python_96> ok\n<ExPBoy> Python_96, rimetti quelli vecchi\n<Python_96> glpiana: si ho capito...\n<Python_96> ExPBoy: si 1) se funzionassero 2) se lo trovo vedo tutto grigio\n<Python_96> ExPBoy: le ho provate veramente tutte\n<ExPBoy> Python_96, non ci sto capendo molto: hai appena detto che con i vecchi driver era ok ma forse ho capito male\n<Python_96> ExPBoy: allora quando avevo windows e usavo quel driver che ero riuscito a trovare andava bene ma, ogni volta che installo un nuovo os ho sto problema. Che i rilevatori automatici dei driver mi trovano quello aggiornato e quello mi da problemi, e non sto riuscendo più a trovare la mia versione\n<glpiana> se state parlando di driver di windows siete pregati di continuare in #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Python_96> glpiana: no era per farvi capire cosa intendevo\n<Python_96> non riuscite a trovare una soluzione vero?\n<gigirock> Python_96, come e' collegato il video ?\n<Python_96> gigirock: hdmi\n<Python_96> perchè gigirock?\n<Mr_Pan> cavo scadente ?\n<gigirock> Python_96, non tutti i cavi hdmi sono ok, poi se hai altri input prova con quelli io ho un monitor che dvi va benissimo display port e' peggio\n<Python_96> Mr_Pan: dotazione con il pc\n<gigirock> Python_96, la scheda ha altri output ?\n<Python_96> dvi\n<Python_96> è li ho un secondo monitor\n<Python_96> che ha l'uscita vga collegato ad un adattatore hdmi collegato poi ad un adattatore dvi\n<gigirock> Python_96, che skifo\n<Python_96> è quello in questo modo si vede bene\n<Python_96> gigirock: è vecchio avevo quello è lo usato\n<gigirock> !italiano | Python_96\n<ubot-it> Python_96: scrivere in maniera corretta facilita la lettura dei messaggi: frasi contenenti abbreviazioni, spesso chiare soltanto a chi le scrive, sono di difficile interpretazione. Ti invitiamo pertanto a non usarle. Vedi http://tinyurl.com/35d9kcn\n<Python_96> gigirock: cosa non hai capito?\n<Python_96> che te lo rispiego meglio\n<gigirock> Python_96, è con accento o senza cambiano il senso delle frasi , puoi usarli correttamente\n<glpiana> Python_96, se con quell'accrocchio l'altro monitor va bene il problema, imho, non sta nei driver. prova a procurarti un altro cavo hdmi e prova con quello. prova anche come ti ho suggerito pocanzi a settare meglio il monitor\n<glpiana> per le disquisizioni sull'ortografia e la grammatica siete sul canale sbagliato\n<Python_96> glpiana: ok glpiana ti ringrazio ^_^\n<Python_96> glpiana: speriamo che funzioni ti faccio sapere come va\n<tonybrooklin> salve, ho ubuntu gnome 16.04 installato; vorrei sapere come modificare la barra dei preferiti che appare di solito se portate la freccia nell'angolo sinistro in alto dello schermo. Ecco io vorrei che questa barra non apparisse in questo modo ma che fosse sempre visibile\n<gigirock> tonybrooklin, hai gia' provato con tweak ?\n<gigirock> tonybrooklin, ma poi cosi' e' come se fosse unity..............\n<Vincenzo82> Ciao a tutti ho aggiornato ubuntu 16.04 perché mi ha segnalato che c erano aggiorn di sistema. Ecco da quando l ho aggiornato va lento e i browser non si aprono più. In cerca programmi mi dice che non ci sono programmi cosa può essere successo? Sto scrivendo da iphone\n<glpiana> Vincenzo82, apri un terminale e scrivi: sudo dpkg --configure -a\n<Vincenzo82> Ok\n<tonybrooklin> gigirock, ma quale versione di tweak?\n<tonybrooklin> gigirock, perché c'è la versione per unity, scusa l'ignoranza ma unity non è l'ambiente grafico, diciamo stock, di ubuntu?\n<tonybrooklin> gigirock, perché io ho scaricato la derivata appunto di gnome\n<glpiana> tonybrooklin, probabile che intendesse gnome-tweak-tool dato che hai detto di avere gnome\n<Vincenzo82> Glpiana impossibile accedere all area di stato dpkg. File sistem sola lettura\n<gigirock> tonybrooklin, si tonybrooklin mi sbaglio io tweak penso ci sia solo per unity, per gnome non so se esistono tool appositi...\n<glpiana> Vincenzo82, riavvia il pc, al menu di grub scegli di accedere alle altre opzioni di avvio e fai partire la prima voce che riporta recovery mode\n<tonybrooklin> glpiana, addirittura dovrei andare in recovery? io l'ho visto fare da uno youtuber che tratta di linux. Si possono condividere link di youtube?\n<glpiana> tonybrooklin, perchè dovresti andare in recovery?\n<krabador> tonybrooklin: per quello che dice lo youtuber ne discuti con lui\n<tonybrooklin> krabador, intendevo dire che l'ho visto fare, ma io non ci riesco\n<tonybrooklin> glpiana, tu hai scritto, \"fai partire la prima voce che riporta la recovery mode\"\n<gigirock> tonybrooklin, esiste gnome-tweak-tool\n<tonybrooklin> gigirock, okok provo a scaricarlo\n<glpiana> tonybrooklin, l'ho detto, ma non a te, a Vincenzo82\n<gigirock> !info gnome-twaek-tool\n<ubot-it> Package gnome-twaek-tool does not exist in xenial\n<gigirock> !info gnome-tweak-tool\n<ubot-it> gnome-tweak-tool (source: gnome-tweak-tool): tool to adjust advanced configuration settings for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.18.1-1 (xenial), package size 161 kB, installed size 948 kB\n<tonybrooklin> glpiana, scusate non sono abituato, è la prima volta che discuto in un client irc\n<Vincenzo82> Glpiana non riesco più ad accedere a ubuntu dopo il recovery\n<gigirock> Vincenzo82, sai cosa e' un chroot ?\n<krabador> !ripristino | Vincenzo82\n<ubot-it> Vincenzo82: Per ripristinare un sistema danneggiato: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/RipristinoInstallazione\n<Vincenzo82> No non lo so\n<vincenzo82> glpiana chiedo scusa per le continue disconnessioni ma da iphone si disconnette sempre, ho risolto reistallando il sistema, volevo ripristinare ma nelle voci di installazione non compariva reistalla ubuntu per cui l ho installato da capo, In futuro mi riguardero dall aggiornarlo\n<Pengaraia> Ciao vorrei sapere se avendo 2 partizioni e possibile installare ubuntu nella seconda e formattare solo lo spazio destinatogli ??\n<glpiana> Pengaraia, è possibile\n<glpiana> !pasrtizionamento\n<ubot-it> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)\n<glpiana> !partizionamento | Pengaraia\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'partizionamento'\n<glpiana> vabbè\n<glpiana> !gparted | Pengaraia\n<ubot-it> Pengaraia: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviPartizioni/PartizionamentoManuale\n<Pengaraia> ubot ce dadire che hai buon tempo\n<krabador> fa quello che può\n<Pengaraia> certo un bell ambientino\n<glpiana> Pengaraia, ti è stata indicata la guida per partizionare il disco. se dopo averla letta hai dei dubbi, chiedi pure qui. chi saprà aiutarti lo farà \n<Pengaraia> Guida verificata con Ubuntu: 12.04 14.04 e valida x il 16.o4\n<glpiana> Pengaraia, sì, funziona sempre allo stesso modo.\n<Pengaraia> grazie\n<glpiana> Pengaraia, puoi usare la seconda partizione del tuo disco per metterci ubuntu, ma se la tocchi ne perdi il contenuto\n<glpiana> Pengaraia, puoi però ridimensionarla, ma prima ti conviene fare un defrag da windows, per accorpare il più possibile i dati contenuti (sempre che ce ne siano)\n<Pengaraia> tutto o solo lo spazio che gli dedico\n<glpiana> Pengaraia, è inoltre il caso di creare una partizione di swap (della dimensione della tua ram in linea di massima)\n<glpiana> Pengaraia, come meglio credi\n<glpiana> Pengaraia, ultima cosa, nello spazio che liberi crea una partizione estesa, dentro la quale potrai inserire tutte le partizioni che vuoi\n<Pengaraia> allora vorrei agire in questo modo. dare 100 o 150 Gb dedicarli al SO e a successive applicazioni per cui penso mi basti una partizione??\n<glpiana> Pengaraia, mettendo sistema e dati nella stessa partizione ti basta, certo. e ti eviti di pensare a quanto spazio lasciare all'una o all'altra cosa\n<Pengaraia> bene un ultima cosa ''partizione di swap'' me lo poi approfondire un pochino di più :)\n<Pengaraia> se non la faccio adopera tt quella che ce o sbaglio ??\n<glpiana> falla, serve di appoggio alla ram satura\n<Pengaraia> ah e qunto le dedico ?? o 2 gb l'avrei gia aumentata ma con xp non serve non la utilizerebbe\n<glpiana> Pengaraia, se hai 2 giga, falla di 2 o al massimo di 4 (che magari poi ti viene voglia di aumentarla)\n<Pengaraia> ok ma con 4 gira lo stesso anche se x adesso non cisono ??\n<glpiana> Pengaraia, lo farebbe anche con 1 o con 3. ma tu falla di almeno 2 giga\n<glpiana> Pengaraia, tutte le operazioni di cui abbiamo parlato possono essere eseguite in fase di installazione, quando si arriva al partizionamento (esclusa la deframmentazione, che va fatta da windows)\n<Pengaraia> no no lo faccio di 4 volevo gia aumentarla con xp ma non la sfuttava anzi peggiotavano le perfomance\n<glpiana> Pengaraia, stai solo attento a non cancellare/formattare/eliminare la partizione con xp\n<Pengaraia> e be certo da win\n<Pengaraia> no no ne ho due\n<Pengaraia> C e D :)\n<glpiana> Pengaraia, D contiene dati?\n<Pengaraia> no solo aplicazioni\n<Pengaraia> cmq su D ce molto spazio\n<glpiana> Pengaraia, esegui la deframmentazione e vedi come si presenta lo spazio disponibile dopo\n<Pengaraia> ok\n<Pengaraia> grazie del tuo tempo gentilissima o o :)\n<Pengaraia> ciao\n<mattew1991> buonasera ho un problema con l'installazione della stampante samsung scx-3200\n<ramk9966> buona sera a tutti\n<mattew1991> puoi aiutarmi\n<constancenott> Ciao!\n<constancenott> Qualcuno mi può aiutare? Ho comprato da poco HP stream 13 con 32 gb di memoria e dato che io e Windows non ci piacciamo proprio, sto cercando disperatamente di installarci Lubuntu o Xubuntu. Il primo (dopo aver scaricato Rufus e provveduto a fare un'immagine iso) al riavvio non me lo vede nemmeno. Il secondo invece mi dice 'invalid arch independen\n<constancenott> t efi magic grub'.\n<constancenott> Aiutoooooooo :(\n<Nick25> Qualcuno sa come aggiornare alla 16.04 dalla 14.04?\n<fabio46> ciao qualcuno può aiutarmi?\n<akis24> !chiedi | fabio46\n<ubot-it> fabio46: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<fabio46> perfetto è la mia prima volta mi scuso. Ho assemblato un pc da usare come server casalingo ma dato che monta un i7-4790 volevo lasciare comunque la possibilità di sfruttarlo anche come un normale pc. Ho installato Kubuntu 16.04 e montato due hard disk uno da 1T e un'altro da 3 T. Quello da 1 T ospita il sistema operativo con relativa swap. Quello d\n<fabio46> a 3T E' un disco dati da condividere in rete. Ora il problema che sto avendo è montare l'ard disk all'avvio renderlo scrivibile e condividerlo in rete. Per quello Da 1T nessun problema. Per quello da 3T ho provato in tutti i modi anche con la modifica di fstab ma non monta la partizione. Premetto che l'ho partizionato in ext4.\n<f843d0> fabio46: come hai editato fstab? Hai specificato UUID del disco? Che errore ti dà mount dell'unità anche dopo l'avvio?\n<fabio46> nessun errore. Ho editato sia con UUID che con sdx. Ma niente non lo monta. COme se non lo vedesse proprio. pero se lo monto da file manager nessun problema ci entro tranquillamente\n<cristian_c> fabio46: controlla il dmesg\n<fabio46> come faccio?\n<cristian_c> fabio46: intanto: sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<fabio46> ok\n<fabio46> fatto\n<cristian_c> fabio46: dmesg | pastebinit\n<fabio46> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16715851/\n<cristian_c> fabio46: come monti il disco sdb?\n<f843d0> fabio46: come detto prima, hai provato a montare il disco da 3Tb (sdb) con e senza fstab?\n<fabio46> con fstab e senza fstab. Provato in tutte e due i modi.\n<fabio46> seguendo la guida che c'è sul sito ubuntu. http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviPartizioni/MontarePartizioni/Ext4\n<cristian_c> fabio46: ok, ma in questo sessione, come l'hai montato?\n<fabio46> adesso non è montato\n<f843d0> fabio46: sei sicuro? mount | grep sdb | pastebinit\n<fabio46> mi dice si sta tentando di inviare un documento vuoto\n<cristian_c> [ 423.795809] EXT4-fs (sdb1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) [ 529.243545] EXT4-fs (sdb1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) [ 604.306254] EXT4-fs (sdb1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)\n<fabio46> quindi vuol dire che è montato\n<cristian_c> fabio46: sudo fdisk -l | pastrbinit\n<cristian_c> fabio46: sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit\n<cristian_c> il secondo\n<fabio46> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16716206/\n<f843d0> fabio46: mkdir ~/foo; sudo mount /dev/sdb1 ~/foo; mount | grep sdb | pastebinit\n<cristian_c> interessante, tabella gpt\n<f843d0> cristian_c: visto, invece che dos\n<cristian_c> mentre sda è dos\n<fabio46> che vuol dire?\n<fabio46> non vi seguo hlelp!!!! :D\n<f843d0> fabio46: con il comando di sopra, che dice?\n<fabio46> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16716273/\n<f843d0> fabio46: quindi ora è montato, hai dei contenuti nel disco?\n<fabio46> si ho dei contenuti\n<fabio46> musica film ecc...\n<f843d0> fabio46: ls /home/Server/foo rispecchia le tue aspettative?\n<f843d0> fabio46: scusa, ls /home/server/foo\n<fabio46> che vuol dire? scuso l'ignoranza ma sono nuovo del terminale conosco solo qualcosa di base\n<fabio46> cosa significa foo?\n<f843d0> fabio46: puoi digitare il comando senza porti domande esistenziali? ls /home/server/foo\n<f843d0> fabio46: ripeto, rispecchia le tue aspettative il risultato? [Y/n]\n<cristian_c> foo = baz\n<f843d0> cristian_c: eh no, prima viene bar\n<fabio46> hahhaha ho digitato e mi restituisce il contenuto dell'hard disk\n<cristian_c> esatto\n<f843d0> fabio46: ok, quindi se non te lo monta tramite fstab, è solo perchè l'fstab è compilato male\n<fabio46> quindi ora cosa faccio?\n<f843d0> fabio46: ritieni percorribile pubblicare il contenuto del tuo fstab? [y/n]\n<fabio46> si si nessun problema\n<f843d0> fabio46: cat /etc/fstab | pastebinit\n<fabio46> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16716429/\n<f843d0> fabio46: con tale fstab non monti sdb1 nemmeno fosse Cicciolina\n<cristian_c> lol\n<fabio46> hahaaahahha\n<fabio46> quindi?\n<cristian_c> fabio46: e come hai editato lo fstab?\n<cristian_c> visto che non hai aggiunto alcuna nuova riga\n<f843d0> fabio46: sudo blkid /dev/sdb1 | pastebinit\n<fabio46> si l'avevo aggiunta. adesso dato che non mi montava nulla l'ho tolta e ho portato tutto come all'origine\n<fabio46> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16716492/\n<cristian_c> il che non permette in alcun modo\n<cristian_c> di determinare cosa fosse andato storto nell'editing del file fstab\n<fabio46> quindi edito il file fstab?\n<cristian_c> fabio46: sì\n<cristian_c> ma spero nel modo giusto\n<cristian_c> !fstab\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Fstab\n<Clutch1> Buonasera, ho un problema di black screen dopo aver installato la scheda video. Ubuntu parte solo in safe mode. Grazie!\n<fabio46> ragazzi aiuto. Allora devo prima montare la partizione e poi editare il file fstab?\n<cristian_c> Clutch1: installato nel senso di 'montato'?\n<cristian_c> fabio46: no\n<Clutch1> si scusa\n<cristian_c> fabio46: apri il file fstab in scrittura\n<fabio46> fatto\n<fabio46> UUID=c4a92bf1-5f4a-4d85-815a-ece5b22ab269 /media/UUID=c4a92bf1-5f4a-4d85-815a-ece5b22ab269 rw,defaults 0 0\n<fabio46> così?\n<cristian_c> fabio46: ok, sdb1 è una partizione dati?\n<fabio46> si sdb1 è dati\n<cristian_c> fabio46: UUID=c4a92bf1-5f4a-4d85-815a-ece5b22ab269 /media/nomeutente/directory defaults 0 2\n<cristian_c> fabio46: dov'è montata di solito la tua partizione?\n<fabio46> prima la montavo in una cartella in media/SERVER_MEDIA\n<f843d0> Clutch1: magari sapere il modello di scheda video e la versione di Ubuntu...\n<fabio46> directyory è sdb1?\n<f843d0> fabio46: no, il device te lo scordi proprio, stai usando UUID\n<f843d0> fabio46: UUID=c4a92bf1-5f4a-4d85-815a-ece5b22ab269 /media/SERVER_MEDIA defaults 0 2\n<Clutch1> ATI RADEON HD 3470 - ubuntu 14.04.04\n<f843d0> fabio46: quando hai scritto, salvato, etc. posta cat /etc/fstab | pastebinit\n<fabio46> l'ho provato mille volte questo ma non va niente\n<f843d0> fabio46: abbi fede\n<fabio46> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16716821/\n<fabio46> certo certo :)\n<f843d0> Clutch1: avevi una scheda video differente prima? Hai installato dei driver particolari? Settaggi di xorg.conf?\n<f843d0> fabio46: chi ha messo il # davanti?\n<f843d0> fabio46: il Diavoletto di Pascal?\n<fabio46> hahahhah devo toglierlo?\n<Clutch1> no: avevo solo l'integrata prima.\n<cristian_c> fabio46: spe, m'ero dimenticato ext4\n<fabio46> hai ragione\n<f843d0> fabio46: togli il # sicuramente. Metti ext4, e metti <pass> 0\n<cristian_c> fabio46: f843d0> fabio46: UUID=c4a92bf1-5f4a-4d85-815a-ece5b22ab269 /media/SERVER_MEDIA ext4 defaults 0 0\n<f843d0> fabio46: quando hai fatto, come prima. cat /etc/fstab | pastebinit\n<fabio46> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16716873/\n<f843d0> Clutch1: e dell'integrata non hai specificato niente a livello di xorg.conf?\n<cristian_c> ok, buono\n<f843d0> Clutch1: stai forzando l'impiego di qualche driver in particolare?\n<Clutch1> no non ho mai toccato nula\n<Clutch1> no\n<f843d0> fabio46: ora, sudo umount /home/server/foo && rmdir /home/server/foo\n<fabio46> ok\n<f843d0> Clutch1: quando avvii e approdi al black screen... cosa accade se premi Ctrl + Alt + F1 ?\n<Clutch1> nulla\n<f843d0> Clutch1: hai già provato a entrare in modalità tty?\n<f843d0> fabio46: quando hai fatto, sudo mkdir /media/SERVER_MEDIA\n<fabio46> fatto\n<f843d0> fabio46: sudo mount /media/SERVER_MEDIA\n<fabio46> fatto\n<f843d0> fabio46: ls /media/SERVER_MEDIA\n<fabio46> ls /media/SERVER_MEDIA\n<fabio46> ok\n<f843d0> fabio46: l'unica cosa, controlla se l'utente può scrivere. Temo che così solo con diritti di amministrazione puoi scrivere\n<fabio46> comunque lo ha montato e in home me lo apre adesso\n<fabio46> se non me lo scrive cosa posso fare?\n<Clutch1> ti racconto una roba che ho fatto...chiaramente a casaccio ...ho provato l'alto giorno a lanciare un sudo startx ..mi ha bloccato l'account e poi lo sbloccato sudo chown etcc. e funzionava ..anche facendo diversi reboot. poi ho spento fisicamente la macchina e quando è ripartita aveva lo schermo nero\n<f843d0> fabio46: intanto prova, poi ci pensiamo\n<f843d0> Clutch1: è stata una storia interessante, soprattutto con sudo chown...\n<f843d0> Clutch1: prova con un supporto di installazione in modalità live. Se funziona, avrai devastato il sistema con operazioni casuali\n<fabio46> adesso è scrivibile. ma avevo proprio questo problema prima di non vedere più l'ard disk montato all'avvio. appena riavviavo mi si toglievano i permessi di scrittura\n<f843d0> fabio46: qual miglior modo di testare se non riavviare? :)\n<f843d0> fabio46: se il problema persiste, contattiamo cristian_c\n<Clutch1> se metto il CD live non leggo nulla putroppo\n<fabio46> Hard disk :D\n<fabio46> va benissimo comqune sei un grande grazie :D ora riavvio e mi ricollego\n<f843d0> Clutch1: hai impostato le priorità di boot in modo adeguato? Il disco ha mai funzionato? Hai controllato l'md5?\n<f843d0> fabio46: sehr gerne\n<Clutch1> il live CD funziona perche' l'usavo per collegarmi al sito della banca ..non riconosce la scheda...il CD gira\n<cristian_c> Clutch1: esattamente in quale punto ti blocchi?\n<f843d0> Clutch1: aspetta, cerchiamo di usare la terminologia adeguata allora...\n<Clutch1> dopo grub...\n<f843d0> Clutch1: riesci ad approdare al menu con la scritta \"Prova Ubuntu senza installare?\"\n<Clutch1> no\n<Clutch1> aspetta..\n<Clutch1> ora non ricordo ma mi sembra di no\n<f843d0> Clutch1: magari riprovare?\n<Clutch1> se vuoi provo\n<f843d0> Clutch1: eh ma non è che lo faccio per il piacere di saperti all'opera eh\n<Clutch1> ok esco provo e mi ricollego tra 5 min. txs!\n<cristian_c> Clutch1: quindi nel grub, cosa scegli?\n<Clutch1> scusate: GRUB del mio pc o del LIVE CD ?\n<f843d0> Clutch1: il live cd ha poco a che fare con Grub\n<Clutch1> ok ora esco inforno il cd e faccio sapere...grazie per ora!\n<cristian_c> speriamo che il cd non si bruci, dopo essere stato ibfornato\n<Clutch1> rieccomi..il live cd funziona..monitor nero...la spia disco lavora...\n<f843d0> Clutch1: hai selezionato la voce \"Prova Ubuntu senza installare\" ?\n<Clutch1> non vedo nulla\n<Clutch1> tutto nero\n<Clutch1> ho provato anche con vecchio cd di XUBuntu...lo schermo sfarfalla....\n<cristian_c> Clutch1: ma cos'hai scelto nel menù iniziale di grub?\n<Clutch1> nulla non vedo nulla nel dvd...una volta che inforno inizia a leggere ma non vedo nulla\n<cristian_c> Clutch1: avevi detto che appariva il grub\n<Clutch1> scusatemi non sono molto esperto e rischio di fare caos come al solito. il menu grub lo vedo sul pc cove ho installato unbutu e fino a li nessun problema\n<cristian_c> Clutch1: e cosa vedi sul pc che ti interessa, invece?\n<Clutch1> il menu di grub e se scelgo le opzioni ri recovery le vedo tutte\n<cristian_c> allora vedi il grub su entrambi i pc\n<Clutch1> non sono stato chiaro scusami : ho solo un PC.\n<cristian_c> perfetto\n<Clutch1> ho provato a fare un boot con il cd ma appunto non funziona\n<cristian_c> Clutch1: intendo, quando mandi in boot il disco live\n<cristian_c> il grub appare?\n<Clutch1> non vedo nulla\n<Clutch1> pero' funziona perche la spia del disco lavora\n<cristian_c> Clutch1: e vedi qualcosa dopo l'avvio del disco?\n<cristian_c> nulla nulla?\n<Clutch1> probabilmente arriva fino al punto dove chiede se vuoi provare la versione live o installare\n<cristian_c> ah, ecco\n<cristian_c> !image | Clutch1\n<ubot-it> Clutch1: Carica un'immagine su http://prnt.sc/ o https://imgur.com/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<Clutch1> nero\n<Clutch1> scusate.. ho lanciato il comando da terminale\n<Clutch1> mi dice imagescan install !\n<Clutch1> mi dice imagescan install |\n<cristian_c> Clutch1: comando? Dove?\n<Clutch1> sul terminale !image |\n<cristian_c> Clutch1: non è un comando\n<cristian_c> di terminake\n<cristian_c> Clutch1: e vedi qualcosa dopo l'avvio del disco?\n<Clutch1> no\n<Clutch1> si vede un simbolo all'inzio per qualche secondo sfondo viola...\n<Clutch1> in basso...poi parte il caricamento e tutto si spegne\n<cristian_c> Clutch1: il che appare dopo la schermata di menù\n<cristian_c> che quindi aicuramente appare\n<Clutch1> il menu' non lo vedo\n<cristian_c> Clutch1: qualcosa vedi\n<cristian_c> postalo\n<cristian_c> !image | Clutch1\n<ubot-it> Clutch1: Carica un'immagine su http://prnt.sc/ o https://imgur.com/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<Clutch1> ci provo ok ! a dopo\n<Clutch1> ECCO IL LINK http://prnt.sc/b8ud2u+\n<Clutch1> http://prnt.sc/b8ud2u\n<cristian_c> Clutch1: icone di tastiera e omino\n<Clutch1> ESATTO\n<cristian_c> Clutch1: per favore, rimuovi il maiuscolo\n<cristian_c> *il tutto maiuscolo\n<Clutch1> si scusa\n<cristian_c> Clutch1: in quella schermata che hai mostrato, premi un tasto qualsiasi\n<Clutch1> ok esco faccio il test e riporto grazie\n<Clutch1> dal live cd premendo un tasto sono entrato nel menu e ho lanciato \"ubuntu senza installazione\" ma lo schermo è nero\n<Clutch1> notte a tutti\n<vincy> ciao ce qualcuno che puo aiutarmi_\n<vincy> oggi per ben 2 volte a causa dell-ultimo aggiornamento il mio computer e andato in tilt\n<vincy> la prima volta ho tentato il ripristino ma poi si [ fermato alla scritta imitramfs\n<vincy> ho reinstallato ubuntu 16.04\n<vincy> anava tutto bene finche ha rifatto quell aggiornamento dopo di che stesso di oggi, il pc ha cominciato a bloccarsi a rallentare. ho riavviato\n<vincy> ed ora di nuovo initramfs\n<vincy> ora sono connesso dalla live\n<vincy> mi potete aiutare_grazie\n<vincy> aiutatemi\n<vincy> allora_\n<vincy> grazie mille\n#ubuntu-it 2016-05-27\n<stefano1967> buongiorno\n<akis24> !ciao | stefano1967\n<ubot-it> stefano1967: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<stefano1967> ho un problema con avanzamento versione...\n<stefano1967> c'e' qualcuno che può aiutarmi?\n<akis24> stefano1967: avanzamento da quale versione a che versione ?\n<stefano1967> dalla 14.04 alla 16.04\n<akis24> stefano1967: hai aggiunto ppa al sistema ?\n<stefano1967> no\n<stefano1967> scusa forse si\n<akis24> stefano1967: sudo apt-get update e metti su pastebin tutto\n<akis24> !paste | stefano1967\n<ubot-it> stefano1967: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<stefano1967> fatto\n<akis24> stefano1967: posta il link della pagina col risultato qui in canale ..\n<stefano1967> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16728242/\n<stefano1967> mi sento scemo, scusami\n<akis24> di nulla ..\n<akis24> stefano1967: non hai segnalazione di avanzamento ? o che problema hai dacci qualche dettaglio\n<glpiana> stefano1967, perchè hai i repository porposed attivi?\n<stefano1967> non ho la segnalazione di avanzamento e non mi viene nemmeno con sudo do ....\n<stefano1967> come li disattivo?\n<glpiana> stefano1967, da sorgenti software\n<glpiana> ma non hai risposto\n<stefano1967> non lo so...\n<stefano1967> quali devono essere attivi?\n<glpiana> stefano1967, disattiva i proposed. poi torna al terminale e scrivi: sudo apt-get update\n<glpiana> stefano1967, poi scrivi: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade\n<stefano1967> fatto\n<halon> Una curiosità , anche a voi su unity con certe applicazioni i menu sopra (quelli che si integrano con la bara superiore) non vengono visualizzati?\n<glpiana> stefano1967, ha aggiornato qualcosa?\n<stefano1967> stefano@DESKTOP:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade\n<stefano1967> Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto\n<stefano1967> Generazione albero delle dipendenze\n<stefano1967> Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto\n<stefano1967> Calcolo dell'aggiornamento... Eseguito\n<stefano1967> 0 aggiornati, 0 installati, 0 da rimuovere e 0 non aggiornati.\n<stefano1967> stefano@DESKTOP:~$\n<glpiana> halon, tenendoli in finestra o a schermo pieno?\n<halon> tutti e due\n<glpiana> halon, che programmi?\n<halon> le applicazioni qt tendenzialmente rimangono a posto, pero tipo nautilus no\n<stefano1967> scusate mi è sparito tutto-\n<halon> esempio... quassel ha tutto a posto, mentre nautilus e zim no, e nemmeno sublime text\n<halon> stefano1967: provabilmente ti ha kickato il bot perche hai incollato un output...\n<glpiana> stefano1967, non incollare più di due righe qui. comuqnue, sudo do-release-upgrade\n<halon> glpiana: cercando su google ho trovato che potrebbe essere colpa dei driver nvidia proprietari ma francamente non capisco implicazione...\n<glpiana> halon, fai in fretta a controllare, riattivando i nouveau\n<halon> hmm lo hai fato fatto? non so perche ma sento che farà del gran casino ritornando ai nouveau\n<stefano1967> pare che adesso funzioni..\n<glpiana> stefano1967, se non va, controlla in sorgenti software, scheda aggiornamenti, come è impostata la politica di avanzamneto di versione (ultima riga in basso)\n<glpiana> ok\n<glpiana> a dopo\n<stefano1967> se ho problemi torno da voi angeli del paradiso... poi midate una mano a metterlo a posto?\n<halon> glpiana: wow conversione del driver andata bene, che sorpresa :D per adesso sono riapparsi, ma dato che anche con i vecchi driver avvolte andava, aspetto a festeggiare vittoria\n<rosimo> non riesco a ristabilire l'inserimento testo per altre lingue, hiragana e katakana non ci sono più. Ho fatto un reset del .config della home cancellando la directory. Come faccio a ristabilire gli inserimenti testo in altre lingue?\n<rosimo> Tra le lingue disponibili mi appare Dvrak japanese ma non funziona dalla selezione lingue\n<glpiana> rosimo, dacci un contesto: che versione di ubuntu hai?\n<rosimo> 14.04 LTS\n<glpiana> con unity?\n<rosimo> sembra di si\n<rosimo> lo sfondo è violaceo\n<glpiana> rosimo, di che programma parliamo?\n<rosimo> tutti, per inserimento testo su gedit writer e così via testo ovunque da inserire\n<glpiana> ci ragiono\n<rosimo> la tabella caratteri mi visualizza hiragana a katakana ma non riesco più a scrivere sumamisen nulla ogmamco.b ecco il risultato se imposto ja dal selettore lingue\n<rosimo> sembra che cambi la tastiera, ma a me interessa l'inserimento, la tastiera resta ita\n<stefano1967> una domanda posso?\n<rosimo> stefano1967: già fatta, passa ad un'altra\n<stefano1967> appena ho aggiornato il sistema mi date una mano con la configurazione dello swap?\n<rosimo> stefano1967: usa gparted, lo sai usare?\n<glpiana> stefano1967, non c'è nulla da configurare per la swap\n<stefano1967> vabbe vediamo dopo, comn la 14.04 avevo un po di problemi... con 4 gb.\n<rosimo> stefano1967: cerca delle guide, io ho spostato la swap e ridimensionata usando gparted, ma credo devi dichiarare se cambi supporto fisico\n<squizzolo> salve, ho un problema con la stampante. L'ho utilizzata ieri, solamente che non aveva inchiostro. Ho comprato una nuova cartuccia, ma non riesco a stampare perchè mi dice in attesa che la stampante torni disponibile\n<glpiana> squizzolo, prova a scrivere nel terminale: sudo service cups restart\n<squizzolo> aspetta ora mi si è cancellata dalle stampanti e non riesco a installarla nuovamente\n<squizzolo> come faccio per farla riconoscere?\n<glpiana> squizzolo, reinstallala\n<squizzolo> la prima volta come ho inserito l'usb l'ha riconosciuta\n<squizzolo> ora no\n<squizzolo> non ho installato niente io\n<glpiana> squizzolo, che stampante è?\n<rosimo> gipiana riavvio, forse serve a qualcosa riavviare?\n<squizzolo> canon mx395\n<glpiana> rosimo, di solito no, ma non so che hai fatto finora\n<squizzolo> provo a riavviare e vedo se me la trova?\n<glpiana> squizzolo, no. apri il browser\n<glpiana> squizzolo, vai a questo indirizzo\n<glpiana> squizzolo, http://localhost:631/\n<squizzolo> ok\n<squizzolo> poi\n<glpiana> squizzolo, clicca su administration\n<squizzolo> non c'è\n<glpiana> squizzolo, e cosa vedi a quell'inidirizzo?\n<squizzolo> sono entrato in un pagina per aggiungere le stampanti\n<rosimo> glpiana: ho avviato input method ma non cambia nulla\n<glpiana> squizzolo, se guardi in alto c'è scrito \"home\" \"administration\" \"classes\" ...\n<squizzolo> sisi\n<squizzolo> sono li\n<glpiana> squizzolo, add printer\n<squizzolo> ok\n<squizzolo> poi\n<squizzolo> non trova niente in locale\n<glpiana> squizzolo, la stampante è accesa? è collegata?\n<squizzolo> si\n<glpiana> rosimo, vai nelle impostazioni, su supporto lingue\n<glpiana> squizzolo, staccala, poi riattaccala e in un terminale scrivi: dmesg | tail\n<glpiana> !paste | squizzolo\n<ubot-it> squizzolo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<squizzolo> devo andare...scusa\n<glpiana> -.-\n<rosimo> c'è italiano, inglese e giapponese\n<glpiana> rosimo, su sistema di input della tastiera?\n<rosimo> dice che c'è ibus\n<rosimo> lo tolgo?\n<glpiana> è selezionato?\n<rosimo> si\n<glpiana> lascialo\n<rosimo> selezionato è ibus\n<rosimo> peccato, l'avrei tolto, che tanto sembra non funzionare\n<glpiana> rosimo, le indicazioni sono di usarlo se devi scrivere giapponese\n<rosimo> ahhh certo, ma siccome non mi fa scrivere .... lo eliminavo volentierissimo\n<glpiana> rosimo, scim lo hai installato?\n<rosimo> selettore e metodo? non ci sono entrambe\n<rosimo> li carico entrambe?\n<glpiana> prova rosimo , io non so il giapponese, non scrivo in giapponese e quindi non ho altri metodi di inserimento che la tastiera qwerty normale\n<rosimo> per ora carico metodo\n<rosimo> il selettore mi da un segnale tipo avvertimento\n<rosimo> ok installato, poi? riavvio?\n<glpiana> rosimo, se non funziona da subito riavvia, o almeno disconnettiti e rientra\n<rosimo> ok disconnetto\n<rosimo> glpiana: ora che faccio? sembra come prima\n<glpiana> rosimo, prova a leggere qui http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23532&start=20\n<lorenzovalsecchi> ciao, avrei un problema di connettività ethernet su un PC asus eeebox EB1007. Sono presenti in dual boot win7pro e mate 16.04. Sia da quest'ultimo che da xubuntu 16.04 non viene rilevato il plug ethernet, che invece non dà problemi in ambiente win (da cui ora sto scrivendo). Consigli?\n<rosimo> glpiana: si, quella l'avevo già seguita, è che non risolvo, non mi appaiono tutte le source che le immagini d'esempio mostrano\n<rosimo> nelle immagini le liste di japanese sono molte di più io ne ho una sola\n<rosimo> ho la japanese dvorak che credo sia la tastiera\n<glpiana> rosimo, dimmi, sulla barra vedi il selettore della lingua?\n<rosimo> si\n<glpiana> rosimo, quando clicchi sopra ti appare un menu?\n<rosimo> si\n<glpiana> rosimo, mi dici le voci che leggi?\n<rosimo> tabella disposizione e impostazioni\n<rosimo> tre\n<rosimo> tabella, disposizione, impostazioni\n<rosimo> ah, e it per la lingua\n<glpiana> rosimo, impostazioni\n<rosimo> ok\n<rosimo> come sorgenti ho italiana\n<rosimo> sarà la tastiera\n<rosimo> rimetto la dvrak che avevo tolto (tanto non funza e non ho la tastiera japan\n<rosimo> )\n<rosimo> se non mi dici di rimetterla non la rimetto\n<glpiana> rosimo, cosa vedi elencato?\n<rosimo> solo la tastiera italiana\n<glpiana> rosimo, clicca +\n<rosimo> ok\n<rosimo> centinaia di lingue\n<rosimo> troppe, la japanese dvorak è l'unica japan\n<glpiana> rosimo, apri un terminale e scrivi: dpkg -l | grep keyboard\n<glpiana> !paste | rosimo\n<ubot-it> rosimo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<rosimo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16729678/\n<rosimo> riprovo a riavviare che scim mi ha chiesto la tastiera, gli ho detto che uso la ita\n<glpiana> prova\n<rosimo> glpiana: fammi riavviare, si, vediamo, poi ha detto che devo avviare il gestore con super-space\n<rosimo> glpiana: come prima\n<rosimo> glpiana: ci sarà un qualche conflitto\n<glpiana> conflitto?\n<glpiana> rosimo, dpkg -l | grep xfonts\n<glpiana> !paste | rosimo\n<ubot-it> rosimo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<rosimo> si, adesso ho più gestori\n<rosimo> ibus e scim\n<rosimo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16729965/\n<glpiana> rosimo, dpkg -l | grep language\n<rosimo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16730003/\n<glpiana> rosimo, boh, non so che dirti. da quando non va più sta roba?\n<rosimo> da quando ho cancellato .config dalla home\n<glpiana> rosimo, entra come guest nel tuo sistema e vedi come si comporta lì\n<rosimo> ok\n<rosimo> uguale\n<rosimo> ogmcmao.b\n<rosimo> sumimasen non funziona\n<rosimo> im-config può aiutarmi?\n<rosimo> glpiana: adesso sembra che ho ben tre gestori\n<peppe1> ciao a tutti vorrei mandare dei filmati a un proiettore attraverso la presa vga.( ubuntu 14.04 ) è possibile avere i comandi di un player ( stop-start) sullo schermo del portatile e fare uscire il filmato dalla vga?\n<rosimo> su\n<glpiana> rosimo, ne funziona almeno uno?\n<rosimo> hahahahah, appare una piccola finestra in basso a destra, dev'essere scim, c'è scritto qualcosa tipo SC e sotto IM, varia tra inglese/europeo e English/Keyboard\n<rosimo> ma japanese zero\n<glpiana> rosimo, tasto destro su quella finestrella fa qualcosa?\n<rosimo> si apre un menu dove posso leggere anche configurare scim\n<glpiana> rosimo, prova a configurarlo\n<rosimo> in opzioni mi chiede schema tastiera, ho impostato ita\n<rosimo> per il resto non si cita mai altro che English/Europe o English/keyboard\n<glpiana> rosimo, non so come aiutarti\n<rosimo> potrei togliere i gestori? tutti, poi ne rimetto uno\n<rosimo> come si tolgono?\n<rosimo> spunto dal software centre?\n<glpiana> rosimo, per togliere scim: sudo apt-get purge scim\n<glpiana> o da software center, come preferisci\n<rosimo> per controllare tutti i pacchetti lingua?\n<glpiana> rosimo, dpkg -l | grep language-pack\n<rosimo> ok\n<rosimo> per ora faccio questi controlli, poi vediamo come va, grazie della pazienza\n<Hero20> Buongiorno a tutti, sono un nostalgico dei vecchi programmi p2p e utilizzo ancora il famoso amule, purtroppo però con l'aggiornamento adUbuntu 16.04 non funziona più, crasha di continuo ecc.\n<Hero20> Buongiorno a tutti, sono un nostalgico dei vecchi programmi p2p e utilizzo ancora il famoso amule, purtroppo però con l'aggiornamento adUbuntu 16.04 non funziona più, crasha di continuo ecc.\n<Hero20> conoscete qualche programma alternativo?\n<akis24> Hero20: forse ti converrebbe disinstallare e provare a reinstallalrlo\n<akis24> reinstallarlo*\n<stefano1967> ciao a tutti\n<akis24> Hero20: sembra sia un problema del programma comunque leggi qui http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=610529\n<stefano1967> problema:\n<stefano1967> stavo aggionando da 14.04 a 16.04 mi si è inchiodato l'aggiornamento\n<akis24> stefano1967: magari se lo condividi con noi ..\n<stefano1967> e adesso non parte più...\n<stefano1967> e sono disperato\n<akis24> stefano1967: al menu di avvio ci arrivi ?\n<cristian_c> 'magari se lo condividi con noi'...\n<stefano1967> no\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: avevi ppa attivi?\n<stefano1967> no\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: in modalità di ripristino parte?\n<stefano1967> schermata nera con scritto in alto a sinistra FAILED e sotto una serie di ok\n<stefano1967> l'ultima voce senza ok è:\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: quindi si pianta anche in modalità di ripristino?\n<stefano1967> Starting show plymouth boot screen\n<stefano1967> non mi fa entrare, ma nel dubbio ricordatemi come si accede\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: dal grub\n<stefano1967> ok e ci accedo come?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: 'come' in che senso?\n<stefano1967> come accedo al grup?\n<stefano1967> scusa grub\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: non appare all'accensione del pc?\n<akis24> stefano1967: riavvia e al menu di grub seleziona la voce di avvio del kernel con recovery mode \" la seconda voce in sostanza \"\n<stefano1967> no parte direttamente ubunttu\n<akis24> ahh ecco\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: allora premi shift o esc ossessivamente\n<cristian_c> dopo la schermata del logo del pc\n<stefano1967> non ci riesco\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: ti hanno tagliato le dita? ;)\n<stefano1967> symap\n<stefano1967> sympa..\n<stefano1967> no no entra in mod ripristino\n<cristian_c> ecco\n<stefano1967> fatto\n<stefano1967> sono dentro\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: hai scelto shell di root?\n<stefano1967> opzioni avanzate?\n<stefano1967> riga comando?\n<cristian_c> shell di root\n<stefano1967> riga comando?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: posta una schermatq\n<cristian_c> !image | stefano1967\n<ubot-it> stefano1967: Carica un'immagine su http://prnt.sc/ o https://imgur.com/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<stefano1967> grub>\n<cristian_c> eh, no\n<cristian_c> non sei nel grub\n<stefano1967> vuoi la schermata?7\n<cristian_c> te l'ho chiesta\n<stefano1967> ti dico cosa c'e' scritto?\n<stefano1967> *ubuntu\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: mandi la schermata\n<stefano1967> opzioni avanzate\n<stefano1967> memory test\n<stefano1967> memory test serial console\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: è una richiesta difficile?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: vai in opzioni avanzate\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: è sicuramente grub\n<stefano1967> eccomi di nuovo\n<stefano1967> sono al login in modalità ripristino\n<stefano1967> ovviamente ciao a tutti!\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: digita: (cat /etc/apt/sources.list && ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/) | less\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: è un'immagine creata con dd\n<cristian_c> ops, sbagliato canale\n<stefano1967> ok fatto\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: manda la schermata\n<stefano1967> non so come fare.\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: immagino tu possa scattare una foto\n<cristian_c> nel 2016\n<stefano1967> fatto\n<stefano1967> come te la mando?\n<krabador> !image | stefano1967\n<ubot-it> stefano1967: Carica un'immagine su http://prnt.sc/ o https://imgur.com/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<cristian_c> !image | stefano1967\n<stefano1967> fa schifo come foto... b93idc\n<cristian_c> vediajo\n<cristian_c> m\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: serve il link alla foto\n<stefano1967> http://prntscr.com/b93idc\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: hai diversi ppa\n<cristian_c> diversamente da quanto affermato in precedenza\n<stefano1967> ma li avevo disbilitati\n<cristian_c> allora è strano che si sia inchiodato l'avanzamento\n<cristian_c> ma potrebbe comunque essere un problema dovuto a essi\n<stefano1967> come posso procedere?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: con un ripristino di sistema?\n<stefano1967> con la chiavetta mi dice che non trova il sistema operativo.\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: non ricordo se da modalitò di ripristino ci sia un'opzione simile\n<cristian_c> ma dalla live si può comunque fare\n<stefano1967> da riga di comando?\n<krabador> !ripristino\n<ubot-it> Per ripristinare un sistema danneggiato: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/RipristinoInstallazione\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: oppure installazione pulita della 16.04, evitando di formattare la partizione di sistema\n<cristian_c> ma non ricordo se sia necessaria la creazione di un nuovo utente\n<krabador> si segnala la vecchia root, si verifica non sia spuntata la casella di formattazione, si crea un'altro utente\n<stefano1967> in recovery parte.\n<stefano1967> arrivo al prompt\n<krabador> ed a fine processo si passano i dati da una parte all'altra\n<stefano1967> mi dice che non c'e' sistema operativo installato...\n<stefano1967> da riga comando non possiamo fare niente?\n<krabador> !ripristino | stefano1967\n<ubot-it> stefano1967: Per ripristinare un sistema danneggiato: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/RipristinoInstallazione\n<stefano1967> non me lo fa fare il ripristiono\n<krabador> ovvero?\n<stefano1967> se parto da usb mi dice che non c'e' un sistema operativo installato e quindi non vedendo il sistema non me lo fa ripristinare.\n<krabador> allora assegna a mano la vecchia root\n<krabador> come segnalato\n<stefano1967> non lo so fare.\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: avvia una live e verifichi l'esistenza delle partizioni in gparted\n<krabador> stefano1967: fai tutto da USB\n<krabador> sia verificare le partizioni , che reinstallare sulla vecchia root\n<krabador> tramite l'opzione \"altro\"\n<krabador> dell'installer\n<stefano1967> failed to start load kernel module\n<stefano1967> non si risolve da riga comando?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: non ti serve la riga di comando, ti basta la live usb\n<stefano1967> ci provo.\n<stefano1967> install ubuntu?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: no\n<stefano1967> bensi?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: try ubuntu without installing'\n<stefano1967> ok fatto\n<stefano1967> un disco è il grub\n<stefano1967> uno è il sistema.\n<cristian_c> eh no\n<stefano1967> e adesso?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: ma hai controllato in gparted?\n<stefano1967> cosa devo controllare?\n<stefano1967> vuoi foto?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: l'esistenza delle partizioni\n<cristian_c> che cos'hai verificato? E come?\n<stefano1967> cosa devo controllare?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: l'esistenza delle partizioni\n<cristian_c> vol. 2\n<stefano1967> ci sono\n<cristian_c> bene\n<stefano1967> vlm2pv\n<cristian_c> ?\n<stefano1967> prntscr.com/b944oz\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: quindi hai una partizione cifrata/lvm?\n<stefano1967> boh ...\n<cristian_c> O.o\n<stefano1967> scusa\n<stefano1967> visto foto?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: fa un salvataggio dei dati e partiziona normalmente\n<cristian_c> senza partizioni cifrate et similia\n<stefano1967> cioè salvo tutto quello che ho e riparto da zero?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: tramite backup su supporto esterno\n<cristian_c> dei dati che ti interessa preservare\n<stefano1967> cioè la mia cartella in home...\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: puoi farlo\n<stefano1967> scusa mi dice che non ho i permessi\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: fallo da root\n<stefano1967> riga comando?\n<akis24> sudo -s\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: quindi o da terminale o lanciando il file manager da root\n<stefano1967> come si chiama il file manager?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: nautilus, suppongo nel tuo caso\n<stefano1967> poi devo ritrovarmi tutto... minchia... ma almeno do una pulita...\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: hai installato tu ubuntu?\n<stefano1967> si\n<stefano1967> perchè?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: non sapevi di avere una partizione cifrata o lvm\n<akis24> stefano1967: visto che non sai neanche di avere partizione criptata .. qualcuno l'ha impostata eh\n<stefano1967> forse io in installazione...\n<stefano1967> è il computer su cui ho tutto..\n<cristian_c> ottimo\n<stefano1967> ma forse meglio non cifrata?\n<cristian_c> che dici?\n<stefano1967> in che senso?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: ubuntu può non gestire perfettamente l'avanzamento su sistemi con partizioni cifrate\n<cristian_c> a maggior ragione se contenenti ppa\n<stefano1967> mi spieghi cosa sono le ppa?\n<stefano1967> cosi magari evito\n<krabador> !PPA\n<ubot-it> Un Personal Package Archive (PPA) è in grado di fornire il software alternativo non normalmente disponibile nei repository di Ubuntu offical - Alla ricerca di un PPA? Vedi https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - ATTENZIONE: PPA sono pacchetti di terze parti NON supportati il cui utilizzo è a proprio rischio. Vedi anche !addppa e !ppa-purge\n<stefano1967> ok.\n<stefano1967> tu la installeresti cifrata o no?\n<cristian_c> cristian_c> stefano1967: hai diversi ppa\n<cristian_c> <cristian_c> diversamente da quanto affermato in precedenza\n<cristian_c> <stefano1967> ma li avevo disbilitati\n<krabador> la cifratura va saputa gestire.\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: non è che prendi in giro?\n<stefano1967> ?\n<krabador> è un passo che va fatto con una gamba in proporzione.\n<stefano1967> perchè in giro?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: se leggi sopra, ti fai un'idea\n<stefano1967> mi state dando una mano infinita ... perchè devo prendervi in giro?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: fai quanto segnalato in precedenza\n<cristian_c> se vuoi continuare a ricevere supporto\n<cristian_c> altrimenti non fa niente, e torni quando hai richieste di supporto a ubunu\n<stefano1967> scusa ma non capisco.,\n<cristian_c> cristian_c> stefano1967: fa un salvataggio dei dati e partiziona normalmente\n<cristian_c> <cristian_c> senza partizioni cifrate et similia\n<akis24> stefano1967: ti si sta' consigliando solo di eseguire il ripristino ed evitare partizioni cifrate eh dai\n<stefano1967> scusate non avevo capito.\n<cristian_c> cristian_c> stefano1967: tramite backup su supporto esterno\n<cristian_c> <cristian_c> dei dati che ti interessa preservare\n<stefano1967> lo sto già facendo...\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: apri il file manager nautilus con sudo, se ti è più comodo rispetto alla riga di comando\n<stefano1967> fatto anche questo e funziona.\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: se hai il backup su supporto esterno, puoi procedere a ripartizionamento\n<stefano1967> poi cancello partizione e riparto da capo facendo fare tutto a ubuntu corretto?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: se hai il backup su supporto esterno, puoi procedere a ripartizionamento\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: e ti consiglio di eseguire il ripartizionamento da gparted\n<stefano1967> ok con la live... e poi reboot ok?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: oppure puoi cancellare l'intero disco lasciando fare tutto all'installer\n<stefano1967> se ci sei ancora tra 11 minuti ho finito il salvataggio\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: l'installer contiene un'opzione del genere\n<stefano1967> si cancella e riparti\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: l'installazione la esegui da live\n<cristian_c> !installazione | stefano1967\n<ubot-it> stefano1967: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<stefano1967> quello lo so fare...\n<stefano1967> la swap se la fa da solo vero?\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: se sele<ioni cancellazione del disco e installazione\n<stefano1967> ok\n<cristian_c> le partizioni necessarie verranno create automaticamente\n<cristian_c> ma assicurati non siano spuntate le opzioni relative a lvm o cifratura\n<stefano1967> fra 7 minuti risorgo\n<stefano1967> avevo solo 54 giga da copiare\n<stefano1967> ci siamo\n<stefano1967> unica partizione non cifrata.\n<stefano1967> fatta da installer\n<stefano1967> e adesso faccio nottata per ripristinare il tutto.\n<stefano1967> Grazie di tutto davvero!\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: non ha creato anche la swap?\n<cristian_c> intendo il partizionamento automatico\n<stefano1967> si si lo ha fatto da solo non c'ho messo mano.\n<cristian_c> ok\n<cristian_c> stefano1967: quindi hai già installato la 16.04?\n<cristian_c> (o reinstallato 14.04)\n<stefano1967> sono all 80% circa\n<stefano1967> gia che c'ero ho installato la 16.04 mi sembra che ubuntu si incasini un po con gli aggiornamenti...\n<f843d0> stefano1967: è una delle poche frasi con qualche risvolto veritiero, ma se aiuti con PPA e partizioni cifrate...\n<stefano1967> giuro non lo faccio più!\n<stefano1967> fatto ripartito perfetto!\n<Shez_> ho installato guwf ma non riesco ad avviarlo mi va sempre in crash qualcuno può aiutarmi?\n<Shez_> come faccio a sapere dove trovare uno specifico pacchetto?\n<cristian_c> Shez_: esattzmente, che devi fare?\n<cristian_c> Shez_: qual è lo scopo finale?\n<Shez_> cristian_c, installare un pacchetto che altrimenti non è disponibile separatamente\n<cristian_c> Shez_: ma che ci devi fare col pacchetto?\n<Shez_> installare la libreria python-gi per far funzionare gufw almeno spero... :)\n<cristian_c> Shez_: ma che ci fai con gufw?\n<Shez_> cristian_c, è l'interfaccia grafica per ufw\n<cristian_c> Shez_: sì, ma che ci fai con ufw?\n<Shez_> cristan_c, voglio l'interfaccia per il firewall è così grave?\n<cristian_c> Shez_: non è grave, ma che devi fare al firewall?\n<Shez_> cristian_c, perchè ti interessa sapere cosà ci faccio con un interfaccia grafica per il ufw?\n<cristian_c> Shez_: perché magari si può capire se ti è davvero utile\n<Shez_> cristian_c, scusa, ma sono curioso :)\n<cristian_c> perché vuoi operare sul firewall?\n<Shez_> cristian_c, voglio vedere cosa si collega ad internet e cosà no\n<cristian_c> Shez_: e hai bisogno di ufw per far questo?\n<Shez_> cristian_c, no ci sono anche altri pacchetti che mi permettono di farlo, ma io voglio l'interfaccia grafica per il firewall gufw così per provare...\n<cristian_c> Shez_: mi sembra un buon modo per complicarsi la vita\n<cristian_c> ai fini del monitoraggio, eh\n<cristian_c> !info gufw\n<ubot-it> gufw (source: gui-ufw): graphical user interface for ufw. In component universe, is optional. Version 16.04.1-0ubuntu1 (xenial), package size 777 kB, installed size 3175 kB\n<cristian_c> Shez_: da dove hai capito che ti manca quella determinata libreria?\n<Shez_> !info python-gi\n<ubot-it> python-gi (source: pygobject): Python 2.x bindings for gobject-introspection libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 3.20.0-0ubuntu1 (xenial), package size 200 kB, installed size 700 kB\n<Shez_> cristian_c, https://bugs.launchpad.net/gui-ufw/+bug/1566056\n<cristian_c> !info python-gi\n<ubot-it> python-gi (source: pygobject): Python 2.x bindings for gobject-introspection libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 3.20.0-0ubuntu1 (xenial), package size 200 kB, installed size 700 kB\n<Shez_> cristian_c, ma non è disponibile da sola ho istallo il pacchetto che la contiene o nada...\n<cristian_c> 'ho'? O.o\n<Shez_> :P\n<Shez_> *o installato\n<cristian_c> Shez_: e qual è il problema di installare la dipendenza di python-gi?\n<Shez_> *o installo\n<Shez_> cristian_c, non sapevo quale pacchetto la contenesse\n<cristian_c> Shez_: ma apt npn risolve automaticamente le dipendenze?\n<cristian_c> Shez_: puoi andare in synaptic, volendo tra le altre cose, e controllare quali dipendenze abbia il pacchetto python-gi\n<Shez_> cristian_c, http://pastebin.com/Qda0CQA2\n<Shez_> cristian_c, ok provo con synaptic\n<Shez_> cristian_c, non trovo nulla in synaptic cercando phyton-gi\n<cristian_c> Shez_: python-gi\n<Shez_> cristian_c, grazie ora funziona e non va in crasch, grazie :)\n<Shez_> cr*ash\n<ale99F> Buonasera, volevo sapere se nel passaggio da SO windows a linux, i file presenti nell'HD vengono salvati o non posso più recuperarli?\n<ale99F> Buonasera, volevo sapere se nel passaggio da SO windows a linux, i file presenti nell'HD vengono salvati o se non posso più recuperarli\n<f843d0> ale99F: fa comunque una copia di sicurezza dei dati. La domanda è troppo generica, e la risposta non potrà mai essere esauriente\n<ale99F> Ti spiego: ora ho un SO Windows XP, ma c'è un file corrotto, quindi non mi apre il SO e non possiedo il disco d'installazione per ripararlo...ciò che volevo fare è salvare i dati che ho su disco, com'è possibile farlo?\n<f843d0> ale99F: accedi in modalità live dal supporto di installazione di Ubuntu, monta il disco, copia i dati che vuoi salvare su dispositivo esterno capiente\n<ale99F> Ora provo, intanto grazie mille per la disponibilità !\n<ale99F> Ho impostato il BIOS in modo che mi leggesse subito la chiavetta con cui installare Ubuntu, ma mi dice file BOOTMGR mancante...come procedere?\n<Mr_Pan> ale99F, come hai creato la chiavetta Ubuntu ?\n<ale99F> con unetbootin\n<Mr_Pan> ale99F, unebootin non sempre va a buon fine ... i conviene utilizzare dd da terminale\n<Carlin0> ale99F, hai win ?\n<ale99F> il fatto è che non mi legge proprio la chiavetta (non penso sia sia quello il problema), si arresta prima con la schermata che mi dice che manca bootmgr\n<Mr_Pan> ale99F, la chiavetta l'hai creata da windows o da linux ?\n<ale99F> si, ho windows xp, ma c'è un file corrotto, quindi non mi carica il SO\n<ale99F> da windows 7, su un altro computer\n<Mr_Pan> !usbwin\n<ubot-it> Scarica Universal USB Installer: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ | Installalo su Windows e lancialo: lui si occuperà di trasferire l'immagine ISO su USB. Guida: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows | Opzionalmente questo programma può anche scaricare lui stesso l'immagine ISO\n<Mr_Pan> ale99F, leggi i link sopra e ricrea la chiavetta\n<Mr_Pan> hai ocntrollato MD% del file .iso che hai scaricato ?\n<Mr_Pan> !md5\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Md5Sum | md5: http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/MD5SUMS\n<ale99F> Ora provo con Universal USB Installer\n<Mr_Pan> ale99F, ok ... siamo qui\n<Carlin0> ma quello è per win ...\n<ale99F> Con Universal USB Installer mi da l'installer boot menu... come devo proseguire per salvare i dati che ho sull'hd?\n<f843d0> ale99F: dovresti avere la voce \"Prova senza Installare\"\n<ale99F> si esatto, procedo con quella opzione?\n<f843d0> ale99F: certo, non l'ho menzionata per occupare byte nel cyberspazio\n<Mr_Pan> ale99F, si così avvierai il sistema in modalità LIVE per poterlo testare senza toccare nulla dei dati che sono sul disco\n<ale99F> dove vado a recuperare i miei dati....scusate ma è la prima volta che uso linux\n<f843d0> ale99F: intanto avvia il sistema tutto caricato in memoria volatile\n<ale99F> cioè?\n<f843d0> 22:02:13< f843d0> ale99F: dovresti avere la voce \"Prova senza Installare\"\n<ale99F> si, ho già continuato...\n<f843d0> ale99F: ottimo, descrivi con parole tue la situazione che ti si pone di fronte\n<ale99F> ho semplicemente davanti il desktop di ubuntu\n<f843d0> ale99F: Ctrl + Alt + T\n<ale99F> ok\n<f843d0> ale99F: la postazione è connessa a internet? Puoi verificarlo provando il comando ping 8.8.8.8\n<f843d0> ale99F: premi Ctrl + C per interrompere l'esecuzione di tale comando\n<ale99F> dice di no: Network is unreachable\n<ale99F> ls -l\n<f843d0> ale99F: hai la possibilità di collegare via cavo ethernet la postazione?\n<f843d0> ale99F: hai sbagliato destinazione del comando, ma per favore segui quello che ti si dice, se vuoi provare comandi a caso, rendi il supporto complesso e induci nervoso nel prossimo\n<ale99F> aspetta che verifico... è un problema se non riesco a collegarlo??\n<f843d0> ale99F: lo può diventare, dipende dalla tua minuzia nel riportare i risultati dei comandi\n<ale99F> ora come ora non ho cavi ethernet in giro... si riesce a risolvere ugualmente?\n<f843d0> ale99F: hai un dispositivo di memorizzazione di massa USB, volgarmente noto come chiavetta?\n<ale99F> si, si\n<f843d0> ale99F: prova a inserirlo. Dovrebbe comparirti il File Manager\n<ale99F> deve essere vuota o va bene anche se contiene file?\n<f843d0> ale99F: basta che ci sia un po' di spazio, qualche Mb è sufficiente. E il File System possibilmente umano\n<ale99F> Mi ha aperto la chiavetta USB...cosa intendi con File System possibilmente umano?\n<f843d0> ale99F: mi basta il risultato, va bene\n<f843d0> ale99F: torna al terminale. Digita il comando sudo fdisk -l > ~/fdisk.output.txt\n<f843d0> ale99F: realizzi ~ con F12. Non sbagliare la digitazione, e in caso di errore, sei pregato di controllare nuovamente il comando. Deve collimare con quanto esposto\n<ale99F> come posso controllare che è andato a buon fine? In output non mi ha dato nessuna risposta\n<f843d0> ale99F: ora spostati nel File Manager dove hai visto la chiavetta. Dovrebbe esserci un tasto che ti porta nella Home. Ivi troverai il file fdisk.output.txt. Con un approccio simil-windoze, copia il file sulla chiavetta. Riporta dubbi e/o perplessità a riguardo\n<ale99F> ok, ho copiato il file sulla chiavetta\n<f843d0> ale99F: ok, cerca di smontare il dispositivo seguendo una procedura ortodossa. Nel File Manager dovrebbe figurare un tasto generalmente associato all'operazione di Eject di memoria degli anni '90, dovrebbe aiutarti all'uopo\n<ale99F> ok, fatto\n<f843d0> ale99F: accedi alla chiavetta dalla postazione collegata ad Internet e pubblica il contenuto del file che hai copiato su...\n<f843d0> !paste | ale99F\n<ubot-it> ale99F: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<ale99F> non mi è chiaro questo passaggio, devo aprire paste.ubuntu.com, poi come procedo?\n<f843d0> ale99F: leggi per cortesia\n<f843d0> !paste | ale99F\n<ubot-it> ale99F: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<f843d0> ale99F: è un sito web, incolli il testo, premi paste, ti restituisce un link, ce lo copincolli qui\n<ale99F> Nella sezione \"poster\"devo indicare il mio nickname?\n<f843d0> ale99F: si\n<f843d0> ale99F: il testo deve essere il contenuto del file che hai su chiavetta\n<ale99F> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16745597/plain/\n<f843d0> ale99F: torna al terminale della postazione interessata. Il seguente è un unico comando: mkdir ~/foo && sudo mount /dev/sda1 ~/foo\n<ale99F> Mi dice mkdir: cannot create directory '/home/ubuntu/foo': File exists\n<f843d0> ale99F: mkdir ~/bar && sudo mount /dev/sda1 ~/bar\n<ale99F> Mount is denied because the NTFS volume is already exclusively opened. The volume may be already mounted, or another software may use it which could be identified for example by the help of the 'fuser' command.\n<f843d0> ale99F: mount | grep sda > mount.sda.txt\n<f843d0> ale99F: quindi, sposta il file mount.sda.txt su chiavetta, smontala in modo ortodosso, torna sul pc connesso, ed usa il servizio per pubblicare l'output...\n<f843d0> !paste | ale99F\n<ubot-it> ale99F: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<ale99F> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16746189/plain/\n<f843d0> ale99F: Torna nel file manager dove amministri la chiavetta. Spostati in /media/ubuntu/Preload e dovresti vedere il contenuto del tuo agognato disco\n<ale99F> Mi dice: This location could not be displayed. Sorry, could not display all the contents of \"Preload\": Error when getting information for file '/media/ubuntu/Preload/boot.ini': Input/output error\n<f843d0> ale99F: sudo umount /media/ubuntu/Preload && sudo mount /dev/sda1 ~/bar\n<ale99F> poi?\n<f843d0> ale99F: poi spostati con il File Manager su /home/ubuntu/bar\n<f843d0> ale99F: possibilmente prima che il Sole raggiunga il limite di Chandrasehkar per aggregazioni di cluster successive\n<ale99F> Viene scritto lo stesso errore di prima\n<f843d0> ale99F: il disco è potenzialmente andato\n<ale99F> potenzialmente?!? XD\n<f843d0> ale99F: il comando gnome-disks ti apre un'interfaccia?\n<f843d0> ale99F: pardon, sudo gnome-disks\n<ale99F> si\n<f843d0> ale99F: riesci a verificare l'integrità del disco?\n<ale99F> Come?\n<ale99F> Dice: Assessment: Disk is OK, 1459 bad sectors\n<f843d0> ale99F: Windoze è mai riuscito a proporre un chkdsk?\n<ale99F> Penso di si\n<f843d0> ale99F: e gli hai lasciato spazio di manovra per effettuare la procedura?\n<f843d0> ale99F: quale risultato ha restituito dopo il chkdsk?\n<ale99F> Non ne ho idea\n<f843d0> ale99F: puoi fornire la risposta a entrambe le domande, precisamente?\n<ale99F> Io personalmente non l'ho mai fatto\n<ale99F> non saprei che risponderti\n<f843d0> ale99F: quando avvii Windoze, cosa accade?\n<f843d0> ale99F: ti propone il menu con le voci per selezionare il tipo di avvio? Ti avvisa che farà chkdsk e tu salti con la pressione di un tasto per intenderci?\n<f843d0> ale99F: descrivi cosa accade\n<ale99F> non me lo avvia -.-\n<ale99F> Mi diceva tipo file boot.ini danneggiato\n<f843d0> ale99F: torna sul terminale. Prova sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g\n<f843d0> ale99F: riporta cosa succede\n<ale99F> Reading package lists... Done\n<ale99F> Building dependency tree\n<ale99F> Reading state information.... Done\n<ale99F> ntfs -3g is already the newest version\n<ale99F> ntfs -3g set to manually installed\n<f843d0> ale99F: ok. Proviamo con sudo fsck /dev/sda1\n<ale99F> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded\n<ale99F> ok, adesso procedo\n<ale99F> fsck from util-linux 2.20.1\n<ale99F> fsck: fsck.ntfs: not found\n<ale99F> fsck: error 2 while executing fsck.ntfs for /dev/sda1\n<f843d0> ale99F: ok. sudo apt-get install ntfs-config\n<ale99F> E: Unable to locate package ntfs-config\n<f843d0> ale99F: sudo apt-get install ntfsprogs\n<ale99F> E: Unable to locate package ntfs-progs\n<ale99F> ntfsprogs\n<f843d0> ale99F: sudo apt-get install testdisk\n<ale99F> E: Unable to locate package testdisk\n<f843d0> ale99F: senza connessione ad internet la cosa è complicata\n<f843d0> ale99F: hai bisogno di strumenti per poter provare a sistemare da GNU/Linux il macello del disco\n<ale99F> Proverò nei prossimi giorni a collegare con un cavo ethernet\n<f843d0> ale99F: comunque, una possibile strada è tentare il ripristino da Windoze\n<f843d0> ale99F: il FS NTFS è squisitamente sua competenza\n<ale99F> Non ci sto capendo niente XD\n<f843d0> ale99F: hai un File System NTFS compromesso\n<f843d0> ale99F: non è compito di GNU/Linux sistemarlo\n<ale99F> E come posso fare?\n<f843d0> ale99F: soprattutto senza connessione ad Internet\n<ale99F> Io pensavo di risolvere mettendo un altro SO\n<f843d0> ale99F: con il disco di installazione di Windoze puoi provare a riparare il disco\n<f843d0> ale99F: un altro sistema operativo funziona potenzialmente, ma perdi i dati se procedi\n<ale99F> Il fatto è che non ho il disco di installazione di windows\n<Mr_Pan> ale99F, potresti risolvere (forse) ma lo devi collegare a internet ......\n<f843d0> ale99F: si era inteso che tu fossi interessato a recuperare i dati presenti\n<ale99F> Si, l'obiettivo è quello\n<Mr_Pan> ale99F, potresti risolvere (forse) ma lo devi collegare a internet ......\n<f843d0> ale99F: e comunque, male non disporre di una copia dei dati. I problemi hardware succedono nel mondo reale\n<ale99F> Lo so, ma non è mio il computer... è di un mio famigliare, che mi ha chiesto se riuscivo a recuperargli i dati\n<f843d0> ale99F: Male a prescindere\n<ale99F> Non ci posso fare niente, se non fa il backup non è colpa mia :P\n<f843d0> ale99F: inutile lamentarsi del danno subìto, quando l'hardware smette di funzionare. Soprattutto con i sistemi attuali di USB Storage Mass, supporti ottici, cloud...\n<f843d0> ale99F: si e no, puoi cominciare a spiegare la questione intanto\n<f843d0> ale99F: fondamentalmente, se perde i dati, è perchè ha voluto perderli\n<ale99F> Si, ma non ha dati di vitale importanza, solo che se possibile, avrebbe preferito recuperarli\n<ale99F> non è che ha voluto, sono incidenti\n<f843d0> ale99F: rileggi con calma le linee sopra e capirai che ha voluto\n<ale99F> Posso chiederti quanti anni hai?\n<ale99F> Hai studiato informatica?\n<f843d0> !chat | ale99F\n<ubot-it> ale99F: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n#ubuntu-it 2016-05-28\n<graphiccity> ciao a tutti. uso 16.04 con unity. quando uso app kde(kdenlive) ho il doppio menu. come posso disabilitare il menu kde e tenere solo il globalmenu di unity? grazzie\n<graphiccity> scusate il mio italiano. nn e la mia lingua madre\n<shanbar> ciao, sto scaricando Ubunto 16.04 e http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ per installare su chiavetta usb; avast sembra ha bloccato quest'ultimo! identificandolo come potenziale pericolo.\n<shanbar> 1. desidero installare ubunto su un pc desktop, ora senza sistema operativo. Come fare?\n<shanbar> 2. come usare http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ per usare la chiavetta per l'avvio?\n<shanbar> non c'è nessuno?! Come funziona qui?\n<squizzolo> buongiorno, dopo la sospensione è sparita la barra inferiore e non posso aprire le finestre che avevo attive. Come risolvo?\n<Macedone> Salve a tutti, sto' scaricando ubuntu 16.04 quale programma x win mi consigliate per metterlo su pendrive?\n<f843d0> !usbwin | Macedone\n<ubot-it> Macedone: Scarica Universal USB Installer: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ | Installalo su Windows e lancialo: lui si occuperà di trasferire l'immagine ISO su USB. Guida: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows | Opzionalmente questo programma può anche scaricare lui stesso l'immagine ISO\n<Macedone> Grazie :D\n<Guest80431> ciao, qualcuno puo' aiutarmi con i crash di firefox?\n<max55> buona sera a tutti\n<krabador> !ciao | max55\n<ubot-it> max55: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<max55> per convertire i video su ubuntu che programma posso usare ? ho ubuntu 16.04\n<krabador> !chat | max55\n<ubot-it> max55: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<max55> ciao krabador\n<max55> ok scusa vado in chat\n#ubuntu-it 2016-05-29\n<Acidburn94> Ciao a tutti!\n<Acidburn94> Scrivo qui perché sono un po' disperato c'è qualcuno disponibile per una mano?\n<cristian_c> !qualcuno | Acidburn94\n<ubot-it> Acidburn94: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<Acidburn94> Grande! Posso chiedere a te?\n<cristian_c> !chiedi | Acidburn94\n<ubot-it> Acidburn94: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<Acidburn94> Ho un problema con l'installazione di ubuntu sul mio dell xps 13 9350 ovvero non riesco a trovare un metodo di installazione corretto, se tengo uefi secure boot e legacy secure boot on e provo a far partire la chiavetta dal bÃos non mi parte, se tolgo secure boot al legacy e faccio partire ububtu in modalità legacy parte e tutto ma non mi volta più\n<Acidburn94> windows quindi prima di fare eventuali danni vorrei sapere se qualcuno può indirizzarmi e darmi una mano su coke settare i varinuefi e come far partire la chiavetta grazie\n<cristian_c> Acidburn94: hai installato ubuntu in legacy o uefi?\n<cristian_c> Acidburn94: che poi hai installato o stai semplicemente tentando di mandare la live?\n<Acidburn94> In questo momento in nessuno dei due se hai dei suggerimenti in che modalità e con che impostazioni di boot te ne sarei grato\n<Acidburn94> Sto tentando di installarlo\n<cristian_c> Acidburn94: quindi per ora devi fare il boot\n<cristian_c> Acidburn94: quale file hai scaricato e come hai creato la live?\n<Acidburn94> Si devo avviarlo da chiavetta e ho tutto con secure boot\n<Acidburn94> Ho scaricato dal sito 16.04 e l'ho montato su chiavetta con rufus\n<cristian_c> !usbwin | Acidburn94\n<ubot-it> Acidburn94: Scarica Universal USB Installer: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ | Installalo su Windows e lancialo: lui si occuperà di trasferire l'immagine ISO su USB. Guida: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows | Opzionalmente questo programma può anche scaricare lui stesso l'immagine ISO\n<Acidburn94> OK allora lo monto su chiavetta con questo! Poi per il boot come posso fare?\n<cristian_c> Acidburn94: prova con secure boot attivo\n<cristian_c> Acidburn94: ma disattiva il fastboot\n<ExPBoy> Acidburn94, naturalmente prima prova la live\n<Acidburn94> Quindi tengo tutto attivo e provo cosi! OK vado a cercare come togliere il fast boot\n<ExPBoy> non capisco cosa intendi per tutto attivo\n<Acidburn94> Aveva già ubuntu sul vecchio PC quindi so com'è e come si USA un pochino! Quindi non ho bisogno della livello penso\n<Acidburn94> Secure boot on uefi e secure boot on legacy\n<ExPBoy> se lo dici tu\n<ExPBoy> io la proverei da live prima\n<ExPBoy> poi fa come credi :)\n<Acidburn94> Okok:)\n<motzhard> Salve! Sono stato utente linux fino a ubuntu 8.10 di conseguenza son passati un po di anni! Ho acquistato un xps 9550, sapreste dirmi se l'uefi comporta qualcosa in particolare per quanto riguarda l'linstallazione?\n<akis24> !uefi | motzhard\n<ubot-it> motzhard: UEFI è una specifica che definisce una interfaccia software tra un sistema operativo e le piattaforme firmware, è intesa come un sostituto del BIOS. Per informazioni su come impostare e installare Ubuntu su macchine UEFI vedi http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/UEFI | vedi anche https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI\n<starrys> salve, ho installato ubuntu 16 ma non riesco ad installare i programmi che scarico da internet come per esempio skype, cosa devo fare?\n<akis24> stryx`: devi abilitare i repo partner\n<akis24> sorry stryx`\n<Acidburn94> Ciao a tutti stamattina avevo chiesto un consiglio su come installare ubuntu sul mio dell xp13 9350 mi e' stato detto di disabilitare il fast boot. Io ho disabilitato il fast boot e anche il secure boot UEFI quando entro in bios e dico di bootare la chiavetta in modalita' uefi fa partire tutto arrivo al punto di installazione di ubuntu seleziono la\n<Acidburn94> lingua e non appena faccio continua mi da un messagio : ci vogliono almeno 8.4 gb per installare ubuntu e questo PC ne ha solo 8. idee su come posso risolvere?\n<Carlin0> Acidburn94, ma parli di spazio su disco vero ...\n<Acidburn94> penso di si, il messaggio che ricevo e' quello quindi non saprei che spazio intende ma suppongo di si che sia su disco\n<Carlin0> e non hai una decina di gb liberi su quel disco ?\n<Acidburn94> ne ho molti di piu' liberi su disco circa 50 e ho spazio unlocated che ho fatto apposta per ubuntu di altri 50 GB circa\n<Carlin0> e allora perchè dici : il pc ne ha solo 8 ?\n<cristian_c> eh\n<cristian_c> Acidburn94: magari manda una schermata di gparted\n<cristian_c> !image\n<ubot-it> Carica un'immagine su http://prnt.sc/ o https://imgur.com/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<Carlin0> mi sa che confonde lo spazio su disco con la ram -_o\n<Acidburn94> no calma non lo dico io che ne ha solo 8 e quello che mi dice ubuntu installer appena cliccco su continua dopo aver scelto la lingua\n<Acidburn94> ora vi carico l'immagine di come e' ripartito lo spazio\n<Carlin0> Acidburn94, come hai fatto la penna usb ?\n<Acidburn94> con rufus, piu' che altro ora a mi viene un dubbio, io ho scaricato la versione 16.04 amd64 il mio pc pero' e' basato su processore intel, devo prendere quindi la versine a 32 bit?\n<Carlin0> Acidburn94, falla con questo\n<Carlin0> !winusb\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'winusb'\n<Carlin0> !usbwin\n<ubot-it> Scarica Universal USB Installer: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ | Installalo su Windows e lancialo: lui si occuperà di trasferire l'immagine ISO su USB. Guida: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows | Opzionalmente questo programma può anche scaricare lui stesso l'immagine ISO\n<Acidburn94> ok e per la versione? quella amd64 va bene anche se ho processore intel?\n<Carlin0> va bene la 64 Acidburn94\n<Acidburn94> ok provo e lancio e vi aggiorno! grazie dell'aiuto\n<Carlin0> che processore hai ?\n<Acidburn94> intel i7 skylake\n<Carlin0> allora va bene la 64 Acidburn94\n<Acidburn94> ok lo installo in uefi mode o legacy? siccome ho disabilitato il secure boot di uefi posso sceglierlo\n<Carlin0> sul uefi non so aiutarti ...senti qualcun altro o leggi le guide\n<Carlin0> !uefi\n<ubot-it> UEFI è una specifica che definisce una interfaccia software tra un sistema operativo e le piattaforme firmware, è intesa come un sostituto del BIOS. Per informazioni su come impostare e installare Ubuntu su macchine UEFI vedi http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/UEFI | vedi anche https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI\n<Acidburn94> ok grazie!\n<Acidburn94> http://imgur.com/LCqZ2WB questo e' lo spazio che ho e questo e' quello che mi dice sia che provi a installarla da uefi sia da legacy http://imgur.com/BTHzLzQ\n<Mr_Pan> Acidburn94, ma tenti di installare sulla usb ?\n<Acidburn94> no! cerco di installarlo sul pc\n<Acidburn94> anche a me sembra che lo voglia installare sulla usb ma non so come cambiare opzione siccome dopo che mi fa selezionare la lingua clicco continua e mi dice quello\n<cristian_c> Acidburn94: scusa, ma ti si era chiesta una schermata di gparted...\n<cristian_c> Acidburn94: e poi, già questa mattina avevi affermato di voler utilizzre universal usb installer\n<cristian_c> Acidburn94: e già questa mattina ti era stata data indicazione riguardomuefi\n<Acidburn94> se serve proprio quella di gpated lo scarico su windows e la faccio! infatti sto usando universal usb installer\n<cristian_c> ?\n<Acidburn94> e ho seguito anche l'indicazione\n<cristian_c> hai nuovamente parlato di rufus a Carlin0\n<cristian_c> Acidburn94: e gparted lo mandi da live...\n<cristian_c> non devi scaricare niente...\n<Acidburn94> ho usato usb universal usb lui mi aveva semplicemente chiesto come avevo fatto la chiavetta\n<cristian_c> non con universal, evidentemente...\n<Acidburn94> si ho rifatto la chiavetta e ho usato universal\n<cristian_c> Acidburn94: ok, e non puoi mandare una schermata di gparted da live?\n<Mr_Pan> Acidburn94, niente messaggi privati . li ho disabilitati. scrivi e chiedi qui in chan\n<cristian_c> Acidburn94: e come hai ridimensionato le partizioni su disco?\n<Acidburn94> provo a mandare la schermata da gparted\n<cristian_c> !image\n<ubot-it> Carica un'immagine su http://prnt.sc/ o https://imgur.com/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<Acidburn94> si ok!\n<ale99F> Buongiorno, potete aiutarmi a recuperare i dati presenti sul disco dalla modalità live di ubuntu?\n<cristian_c> ale99F: hai difficoltà specifiche a utilizzare ubuntu in live?\n<ale99F> vorrei recuperare i dati presenti sull'hd\n<krabador> ale99F: disco NTFS del parente ?\n<cristian_c> ale99F: qui si fa supporto a ubuntu, quindi se non hai domande specifiche in merito....\n<ale99F> non so cosa vuol dire.. ti spiego: sul suddetto pc ho SO windows xp, ma un file boot.ini corrotto, quindi non mi apre il sistema, io volevo recuperare i dati sull'hd, e ho pensato di farlo con linux, poiche non ho il disco di installazione di windows che mi permetteva di ripristinare il sistema...\n<ale99F> L'altro giorno mi ha dato una mano un utente di questa chat, ma non avendo una connesione era più dificile operare (dal terminal di ubuntu)....ora ho collegato il pc tramite cavo ethernet e ho una connesione\n<krabador> ale99F: carichi Ubuntu live, apri la partizione col gestore file , e fai quel che ti pare. Se ci sono problemi fisici col disco / partizione , rivolgiti a personale specializzato.\n<trigger> ciao gente, come faccio a capire se sul mio notebook con SSD è attivo TRIM?\n<krabador> che sistema?\n<trigger> W10/Ubuntu\n<krabador> su Ubuntu , sudo gedit /etc/fstab\n<krabador> vedi se le partizioni vengono montate con opzione discard\n<krabador> il tutto dopo aver verificato se SSD di cui si sta parlando supporta trim\n<krabador> hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep TRIM\n<krabador> se disco è SDA\n<trigger> ci deve essere scritto discard? perchè non c'è scritto\n<trigger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16806410/\n<trigger> ops, come faccio a mandarti i risultati dei miei ultimi comandi?\n<krabador> che Ubuntu, di grazia?\n<trigger> ?\n<trigger> p.s. su ubuntu lts è attiva la deframmentazione programmata del disco?\n<trigger> in default*\n<krabador> hahahahah\n<krabador> trigger, p.s. ce la fai a specificare la versione di ubuntu di cui stai parlando , o devi chiedere a qualcuno ?\n<lillo> salve a tutti, ho notato che il mio touchpad si blocca e devo per forza riavviare (la tastiera funziona) come posso fare ? ecco il mio ximput e lspci http://paste.ubuntu.com/16806659/\n<lillo> si blocca quando vado su siti come amazon e youtube, credo sia un discorso collegato alla scheda video..\n<trigger> ultima versione\n<trigger> lts\n<krabador> trigger, ha un numero\n<krabador> ce la fai a specificarlo ?\n<trigger> 16.04\n<krabador> trigger, sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<trigger> già installato\n<krabador> trigger, ma non avendo la palla di vetro ;)\n<krabador> cat /etc/fstab | pastebinit\n<trigger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16806866/\n<krabador> sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit\n<trigger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16806902/\n<krabador> lillo, con tutti i browsers ?\n<lillo> si\n<lillo> quando vado su siti un po' piu complessi (con video , animazioni etc etc)\n<lillo> ma non sempre, a quando gli gira a lui\n<krabador> trigger, dpkg -l | grep hdparm | pastebinit\n<trigger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16807006/\n<krabador> trigger, hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep TRIM | pastebinit\n<trigger> \"si sta tentando di inviare un documento vuoto\n<trigger> ok mancava sudo. http://paste.ubuntu.com/16807146/\n<trigger> dice che è abilitato o solo supportato?\n<krabador> trigger, se ti sforzassi di leggere quello che ti si dice, scopriresti, che il comando appena dato è per verificare che il disco supporti trim\n<trigger> infatti è per questo che ho chiesto se significa abilitato o supportato\n<krabador> infatti ti era stato detto prima\n<trigger> quando?\n<krabador> scorri pure con comodo le linee precedenti\n<krabador> trigger, l'opzione \"discard\" di montaggio, in fstab, abilita trim\n<trigger> ok era da dedurre, pretendi troppo da un inesperto :)\n<krabador> trigger, <krabador> il tutto dopo aver verificato se SSD di cui si sta parlando supporta trim\n<krabador> <krabador> hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep TRIM\n<krabador> non mi sembra cosi' da dedurre ;D\n<krabador> trigger, sudo gedit /etc/fstab , in questo punto errors=remount-ro , aggiungi discard, cosi' errors=remount-ro,discard\n<krabador> salvi chiudi\n<krabador> e dal riavvio successivo hai trim abilitato\n<trigger> come avevo letto su http://www.navigaweb.net/2012/07/disco-ssd-veloce-e-duraturo.html , TRIM aiuta a velocizzare l'SSD, tu mi consigli di attivarlo, non ci sono controindicazioni? (il notebook è praticamente nuovo)\n<krabador> trigger,fatti un favore, leggi documentazioni ufficiali dei sistemi che usi\n<krabador> piuttoso che leggere a caso\n<krabador> altrimenti saranno tante le cose che sarai costretto a dedurre ;)\n<sharlockholmes> buona domenica a tutti\n<gigirock> anche a te\n<sharlockholmes> sn un medico che ormai da anni usa linux mint sul pc\n<krabador> !mint | sharlockholmes\n<ubot-it> sharlockholmes: Per supporto a linuxmint: http://www.linuxmind-italia.org/index.php\n<sharlockholmes> da qualche settimana ho acquistato un nuovo notebook proveniente dalla cina e mi trovo benissimo sul pc....tuttavia vorrei passare ad ubuntu\n<sharlockholmes> perche e il mio sistema preferito\n<sharlockholmes> ho usato in passato mint perche usano un netbook e ubuntu nn mi girava per la scarsa ram del sistema\n<sharlockholmes> :-) ubuntu is my prefer system\n<sharlockholmes> ahahaha krabador\n<gigirock> sharlockholmes, ma hai windows su quel pc cinese ?\n<sharlockholmes> yes...windows 10\n<krabador> sharlockholmes, e il punto sarebbe proclamare amore eterno, o c'è una domanda ?\n<sharlockholmes> ce una domanda\n<krabador> un medico senza apostrofi ed accenti...\n<sharlockholmes> kabrador la tasteira e in spagnolo e devo ancora modificarla per abilitarla in italiano\n<sharlockholmes> ecco xche nn metto accenti o apostrofi\n<sharlockholmes> sorry\n<sharlockholmes> domanda voglio usare linux ubuntu odio w10 e dopo aver fatto la live su usb e installato ubuntu sul pc parte solo windows10\n<sharlockholmes> ho disattivato secure boot\n<sharlockholmes> ma niente\n<sharlockholmes> ho notato che quando installavo ubuntu durante installazione nn veniva riconosciuta la presenza di w10\n<sharlockholmes> pensate che ci sia una soluzione?\n<krabador> disabilitare secure boot, se il sistema è stato installato con secure boot abilitato, causa solo problemai\n<sharlockholmes> ok quindi riattivo secure boot ma nn parte lo stesso\n<krabador> sharlockholmes, va a verificare le opzioni di boot\n<sharlockholmes> te li posso dire dalla memoria prima ce uefi che nn e windows ma nn ricordo il nome e poi ho scelto windows ma nn parte lo stesso\n<krabador> sharlockholmes, e , la convivenza con win8/8.1/10 passa per \"avvio rapido\" disabilitato\n<krabador> sharlockholmes, no\n<krabador> devi verificare adesso\n<krabador> post installazione .\n<sharlockholmes> quindi per riassumere vado nel bios ti dico cosa ce scritto, riattivo secure boot e poi ritorno qui?\n<krabador> se ubuntu è stato installato con secure boot abilitato, è abilitato che deve stare\n<gigirock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot\n<sharlockholmes> vado a modificare e poi vi scrivo cosa trovo...grazie per supporto...ps lo sapevate che scrittore di sharlock holmes era un medico?\n<trigger> ok, non hai risposto alla mia domanda però krabador , lo consigli il TRIM?\n<sharlockholmes> scusate mi sn perso qualcosa?\n<sharlockholmes> cosa e' il trim?\n<krabador> sharlockholmes, sapevo che lo scrittore di sherlock holmes era un medico\n<gigirock> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Trim | trigger\n<sharlockholmes> si infatti il metodo deduttivo di sharlock holmes viene preso dal metodo deduttivo medico\n<sharlockholmes> :-)\n<gigirock> ma c'e' compresa la tipa asiatica ?\n<sharlockholmes> vado a modificare e poi vi dico\n<sharlockholmes> grazie ragazzi\n<krabador> sharlockholmes, quello di sherlock , quello di sharlock sarà il modo di preparare mojitos\n<sharlockholmes> ahahahaha\n<sharlockholmes> sara etere ospedaliero a darmi questi problemi\n<sharlockholmes> scheri a parte vado e poi vi dico\n<sharlockholmes> cmq con questa tastiera spagnola sto impazzendo\n<trigger> ho dato il comando sudo gedit /etc/fstab ma non mi esce niente e non riappare la stringa di comando ?\n<Sherlockholmes> Rieccomi\n<gigirock> trigger, devi chiudere gedit\n<sherlockholmes> rieccomi qua...allora modificato secure boot e riattivato\n<sherlockholmes> nella lista boot ce 1 uefi hd wind\n<sherlockholmes> 2 ueap af:uefi: built .in efi shell\n<sherlockholmes> 3 hard disk\n<sherlockholmes> come faccio a far partire ubuntu senza che mi si avvii direttamente w10?\n<gigirock> sherlockholmes, dove pensi di aver messo grub ?\n<krabador> trigger, <krabador> su Ubuntu , sudo gedit /etc/fstab ---> se hai mandato questo alle 16:24, è aperto\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, il boot loader , va installato nella partizione EFI , in sistemi con uefi abilitato\n<trigger> mi dà questi errori dopo la modifica di fstab: (gedit:5458): Gtk-WARNING **: Calling Inhibit failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files\n<trigger> ** (gedit:5458): WARNING **: Set document metadata failed: Impostazione dell'attributo metadata::gedit-spell-enabled non supportata\n<trigger> ** (gedit:5458): WARNING **: Set document metadata failed: Impostazione dell'attributo metadata::gedit-encoding non supportata\n<trigger> ** (gedit:5458): WARNING **: Set document metadata failed: Impostazione dell'attributo metadata::gedit-position non supportata\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, non accetto messaggi privati\n<krabador> scrivi tranquillamente in canale, nell'ottica che i lunghi output vanno postati su pastebinit\n<krabador> !pastebint\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'pastebint'\n<krabador> !pastebin\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<sherlockholmes> scusa kadrador...\n<gigirock> trigger, prova a chiudere tutti i gedit cosi' partiamo da una situazione normale\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, uefi è implementato in maniera molto variabile (e buggata) dai vari produttori hardware\n<gigirock> trigger, perche' devi toccare fstab ?\n<krabador> gigirock, discard ... gliel'hai mandato anche tu il wiki ;)\n<sherlockholmes> kadrador nn ho la piu pallida di dove sia grub....come faccio a capirlo?\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, carica ubuntu in sessione live, dal supporto che hai usato per l'installazione con \"prova senza installare\"\n<krabador> connettiti ad internet e torna quo .\n<krabador> qui\n<krabador> cosa manca ?\n<trigger> di gedit ce n'era aperto solo 1 e ora è salvato e chiuso, il messaggio di errore me l'ha dato dopo la chiusura. Poi me l'avete detto voi di utilizzare il comando edit fstab....O_o\n<krabador> trigger, non sono errori\n<krabador> se leggi bene , non c'è \"error\" da nessuna parte. 7\n<trigger> ok quindi posso stare tranquillo anche se ha detto WARNING e che ha fallito varie operazioni?\n<krabador> trigger, cat /etc/fstab | pastebinit\n<krabador> trigger, non ha fallito niente che ti interessi\n<sherlockholmes> kadrador ok grazie vado e vi riaggiorno...thanks a loto\n<sherlockholmes> a lot\n<trigger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16808634/\n<krabador> trigger, ok, hai trim abilitato al prossimo riavvio .\n<trigger> operazione completata giusto? grazie\n<lillo> salve a tutti, ho notato che il mio touchpad si blocca spesso e devo per forza riavviare (la tastiera funziona) come posso fare ? ecco il mio ximput e lspci http://paste.ubuntu.com/16806659/\n<lillo> se faccio sudo modprobe -r psmouse non fa niente\n<lillo> anche sudo modprobe psmouse\n<krabador> certo, tutto deve avere un ' effetto..\n<krabador> ti sei chiesto cosa fanno i 2 comandi che hai mandato ?\n<krabador> lillo, sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> lillo, sudo lshw -C video | pastebinit\n<lillo> ecco qua http://paste.ubuntu.com/16809153/\n<lillo> sono dei comandi che ho copiato da una guida per quando si blocca il touchpad, ma a me non funzionano\n<krabador> lillo, uname -a | pastebinit\n<Sherlockholmes2> Rieccomi\n<krabador> lillo, \"ho copiato da una guida\" ---> quale ?\n<Sherlockholmes2> Krabador sn in Ubuntu live e ho aperto gparted\n<krabador> Sherlockholmes2, ubuntu 16.04 ?\n<krabador> Sherlockholmes2, e chi ti ha detto di aprirlo :D\n<lillo> non ricordo, la dovrei ricercare\n<krabador> lillo, prenditi tutto il tempo che ti serve ;)\n<lillo> ok ora cerco\n<Sherlockholmes2> Krabador... Mia iniziativa :)\n<krabador> Sherlockholmes2, e puoi rispondere all'altra domanda =\n<krabador> ?\n<Sherlockholmes2> Krabador yes questa versione\n<lillo> http://askubuntu.com/questions/367701/touchpad-stopped-working-out-of-the-blue\n<lillo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16809212/\n<Sherlockholmes2> Krabador Ora che faccio?\n<krabador> Sherlockholmes2, efibootmgr | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw\n<krabador> Sherlockholmes2, l'output , in mezzo avrà un link , incollalo qui\n<krabador> lillo, dpkg -l | grep synaptic | pastebinit\n<lillo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16809595/\n<lillo> ecco\n<krabador> lillo, sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-input-synaptics\n<krabador> lillo, riavvia, vedi come va\n<lillo> torno in chat se si riblocca?\n<krabador> lillo, xinput --list-props 12 | pastebint\n<krabador> lillo, xinput --list-props 12 | pastebinit\n<lillo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16809772/\n<trigger> un'altra domanda, su ubuntu 16.04 è attiva la deframmentazione programmata del Disco?\n<lillo> riavvio\n<lillo> se si riblocca torno qua\n<lillo> a dopo\n<krabador> trigger, ma hai messo ubuntu pensando di doverlo trattare come windows ?\n<trigger> sei un po' intolleranti con i nuovi utenti? ;) un tempo lo eri anche tu....haha\n<Mr_Pan> trigger, deframmentazione!??! OMG!\n<krabador> trigger, sono intollerante con chi non sa minimamente cosa sta toccando, senza preoccuparsi di informarsi un minimo all'inizio\n<shaerlockholmes> scusate amici rieccomi qui....ho faticato un po perche la versione live di ubuntu nn mi si connette alla rete alice e ho eseguito tethering dallo smartphone...\n<shaerlockholmes> krabador per favore mi ricopi il link che mi avevi indicato qualche minuto fa?...grazie mille\n<krabador> Sherlockholmes2, efibootmgr | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw\n<krabador> nel terminale, invio\n<shaerlockholmes> krabador grazie davvero....ecco quello che mi compare efibootmgr: EFI variables are not supported on this system.\n<shaerlockholmes> date: 2015-03-03T00:05:42.457000+00:00\n<shaerlockholmes> digest: da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709\n<shaerlockholmes> long: ANo5o-5ea0sNMlW_75VgGJCv2AcJ\n<shaerlockholmes> short: 2AcJ\n<krabador> e tanti saluti a \"Sherlockholmes2, l'output , in mezzo avrà un link , incollalo qui \"\n<sherlockholmes> krabador efibootmgr efi variables are not supported on this system ect ect\n<sherlockholmes> krabador ho ancora qualche speranza di installazione per ubuntu ?\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, quel comando ha prodotto un link\n<krabador> incollalo qui , per favore\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, sudo fdisk -l | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw\n<krabador> cosi' come questo\n<sherlockholmes> krabador vedo questi dati https://ptpb.pw/2AcJ\n<sherlockholmes> krabador spero sia quello che mi chiedi....\n<krabador> l'altro ?\n<sherlockholmes> krabador nella prima riga ce efibootmgr I curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw\n<sherlockholmes> krabador corretto ce questo che hai scritto tu :)\n<AdrianoMAX> Salve,sapete qualche programma per Ubuntu,x creare iso di Windows avviabili?\n<AdrianoMAX> Ho provato UnetBootin e altri,ma non mi fa iso avviabile\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, te ne ho mandato un'altro\n<krabador> <krabador> sherlockholmes, sudo fdisk -l | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw\n<krabador> <krabador> cosi' come questo\n<sherlockholmes> krabador ho fatto partire il link sul terminale...\n<AdrianoMAX> da me?\n<sherlockholmes> krabrados ora mi dice nel status created...\n<sherlockholmes> krabrados ora mi dice status created....\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, ma i medici lo sanno cos'è un link ?\n<sherlockholmes> krabador ahahahaha.....si ma qui nn si capisce un tubo :)\n<krabador> se sai cos'è, lo sai distiguere , tra le linee di output\n<sherlockholmes> krabador io penso ad un link come a un indirizzo di pagina web...qui ce in ordine dall alto al basso\n<sherlockholmes> efiboot I curl ecc....\n<sherlockholmes> date ecccc\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, ti prego\n<krabador> sudo fdisk -l | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw\n<krabador> copia/incolla questo, nel terminale , premi invio, incolla qui il link che c'è in mezzo alle linee di output\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, alle 18:10 ti è stato chiesto\n<sherlockholmes> url: https://ptpb.pw/Ixv9\n<sherlockholmes> credo sia questo il link....\n<sherlockholmes> https://ptpb.pw/IXv9\n<sherlockholmes> scusa la X era maiuscolo....\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, dpkg -l | grep efibootmgr | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw\n<sherlockholmes> grazie fatto...ti serve il nuovo link?\n<sherlockholmes> ora ho capito cosa mi chiedi....evvaiiiii\n<krabador> e quanto devo aspettare ?\n<sherlockholmes> https://ptpb.pw/2AcJ\n<sherlockholmes> mamma mia che carattere voi informatici...come quelli dell ospedale...sempre poco gentili...scherzo\n<krabador> sudo apt-get -y install efibootmgr | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw\n<sherlockholmes> https://ptpb.pw/B8ui\n<sherlockholmes> https://ptpb.pw/B8ui\n<sherlockholmes> https://ptpb.pw/B8ui\n<sherlockholmes> https://ptpb.pw/B8ui\n<sherlockholmes> scusa l ho copiato piu volte...\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, efibootmgr | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw\n<sherlockholmes> https://ptpb.pw/2AcJ\n<sherlockholmes> https://ptpb.pw/B8ui\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, sicuro di copiare ed incollare i link correttamente ?\n<BigDave> help\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, sudo mkdir /media/a && sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/a\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, ls -la /media/a | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw\n<sherlockholmes> mmm spero...https://ptpb.pw/U1xk\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, ls -la /media/a/EFI | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw\n<sherlockholmes> https://ptpb.pw/ttQK\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, ls -la /media/a/EFI/Boot | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw\n<sherlockholmes> https://ptpb.pw/gxIv\n<ale99F> potete dirmi come si fa ad accedere all'hd dalla modalità live di ubuntu?\n<krabador> ancora?\n<krabador> ale99F, uname -a | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw\n<krabador> da terminale\n<ale99F> No, io devo salvare i vecchi dati, con quel comando mi mostra solo delle informazioni\n<krabador> ale99F, incollare qui il link , puo' essere pericoloso\n<krabador> ?\n<Sherlockholmes> Krabador grazie per aiuto... Ho il timore che la connessione sia saltata...\n<krabador> Sherlockholmes, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair\n<krabador> sudo apt-get update\n<krabador> sudo apt-get install -y boot-repair && boot-repair\n<krabador> Sherlockholmes, e segui http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Uefi#Riparazione_bootloader\n<krabador> Sherlockholmes, o questo https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Converting_Ubuntu_into_UEFI_mode\n<ale99F> non è lo stesso pc\n<krabador> come dettoti diverse ore fa, apri il gestore files, e vedi se a sinistra hai la partizione che ti interessa , nella lista volumi, ci clicchi, vedi se monta correttamente e visualizza il contenuto , al che fai quello che ti pare\n<ale99F> il fatto è che non me lo monta correttamente, di conseguenza non posso vedere il contenuto\n<krabador> allora o fornisci le informazioni richieste, come quella di prima\n<krabador> oppure ci salutiamo qui\n<krabador> ale99F, nel momento in cui il montaggio non avviene correttamente per una questione fisica del disco , che se è allineato al periodo xp , è estremamente probabile, sempre come dettoti prima, di' al parente di consultare personale specializzato .\n<ale99F> https://ptpb.pw/omsI\n<krabador> ale99F, sudo fdisk -l | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw\n<ale99F> https://ptpb.pw/909l\n<krabador> hai sbagliato\n<krabador> connetti quel pc qui,\n<ale99F> come dovrei fare?\n<ale99F> cosa ho sbagliato?\n<krabador> ale99F, apri dal pc in questione questa chat, in modo da incollare direttamente i risultati dei comandi\n<ale99F> krabador: ok, ho fatto l`accesso dal computer in questione...\n<krabador> ale99F, sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> ale99F, sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit\n<krabador> ale99F, ci metterai 40 minuti a rispondere ?\n<ale99F> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16817031/\n<krabador> ale99F, df -h | pastebinit\n<ale99F> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16817126/\n<krabador> sudo umount /dev/sda1\n<krabador> sudo mkdir /media/a\n<krabador> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/a | pastebinit\n<ale99F> dice: You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.\n<krabador> ok, ls -la /media/a | pastebinit\n<ale99F> non mi da nessun messaggio in output\n<krabador> è tornato alla linea di comando ?\n<ale99F> no aspetta...\n<ale99F> ls: cannot access /media/a/AUTOEXEC.BAT: Input/output error\n<ale99F> ls: cannot access /media/a/boot.ini: Input/output error\n<ale99F> ls: cannot access /media/a/bootfont.bin: Input/output error\n<ale99F> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16817221/\n<krabador> ecco i tuoi dati, abbuffati ;)\n<ale99F> da dove accedo ad essi?\n<krabador> ale99F, ma sai cosa sono files e cartelle?\n<ale99F> simpatico, veramente....\n<cristian_c> ale99F: ti era stato già suggerito\n<cristian_c> dal gestore di file\n<cristian_c> ale99F: come indicsto dal percorso, in /media e poi 'a'\n<cristian_c> ecc...\n<ale99F> Grazie, ma\n<ale99F> Sorry, could not display all the contents of âaâ: Error when getting information for file '/media/a/boot.ini': Input/output error\n<krabador> ale99F, ma vuoi andare a recuperare i dati a 'sto parente, o vuoi continuarla a menare per giorni ?\n<cristian_c> ale99F: e da dove recuperi questo messaggio?\n<ale99F> quando provo ad entrare nella cartella\n<cristian_c> 'ad entrare nella cartella' <- dal gestore di file?\n<ale99F> krabador: non ti costringe nessuno a rispondere\n<ale99F> si, dal gestore di file\n<cristian_c> ale99F: devi fare un backup dei file o cos'altro?\n<krabador> ale99F, e tu sei tenuto a prestare attenzione a quello che ti viene detto\n<krabador> visto che sono che le cose, nella loro completezza ti sono state dette\n<krabador> ma ti vedono protagonista di tempi morti enormi ed errore nel riportare dati richiesti\n<krabador> \"visto che sono che le cose\" ---> visto che sono ore che le cose\n<krabador> ale99F, ti ricordo inoltre, che se il pc windows del tuo parente è esploso, non è scopo di questo canale e di questa risorsa intervenire a riguardo.\n<ale99F> Fa niente... non rispondo neanche..\n<ale99F> Comunque a tutti per l`aiuto, ma ti consiglio di essere piu cortese ed educato, ma rimane un consiglio..\n<ale99F> grazie a tutti*\n<krabador> ale99F, il log parla per te, non preoccuparti ;)\n<krabador> !log | ale99F\n<ubot-it> ale99F: Log del canale: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/\n<Mr_Pan> ho il problema che ogni volta che il pc va in standy, una volta che rientro con la password, non si vede più la freccia del mouse ... sono costretot a uscire dalla sesisone e rientrare ... xubuntu 16.04. idee?\n<krabador> Mr_Pan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1573454\n<Mr_Pan> krabador, thanks non lo avevo visto\n<krabador> figurati\n<cristian_c> utenti che 'non rispondono neanche', ottimo....\n<krabador> I_Miglioriâ¢\n<Mr_Pan> krabador, è un bug conosciuto ma senza soluzione per ora solo un workaround ... ctrl+alt+f1 e poi torni al desktop grafico ...\n<Mr_Pan> meglio di riavviare la sesisone di continuo ..\n<krabador> per il momento, a quanto pare. Xorg il primo mese è un po' cosi.\n<sherlockholmes7> buona sera...come prima cosa volevo ringraziare la disponibilita' di krabador per avermi supportato oggi pomeriggio\n<krabador> sherlockholmes7, hai seguito gli ultimi comandi ed il link ?\n<sherlockholmes7> carissimo siiiiii\n<krabador> com'è andata ?\n<sherlockholmes7> mmm mancava un soffio ma nn parte ma quando avvio il boot recover e andato in advanced mi compare questa scritta\n<krabador> sherlockholmes7, posta direttamente una foto della schermata del programma, che fai premendo il tasto stamp\n<krabador> !image | sherlockholmes7\n<ubot-it> sherlockholmes7: Carica un'immagine su http://prnt.sc/ o https://imgur.com/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<lillo> salve a tutti, non riesco a fare funzionare il microfono come mai?\n<sherlockholmes7> http://prnt.sc/b9x3t2\n<sherlockholmes7> come vedete nn demordo :)\n<krabador> lillo, aplay -l | pastebinit\n<krabador> hai secure boot disabilitato\n<krabador> sherlockholmes7, ^\n<lillo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16818464/\n<sherlockholmes7> quindi devo entrare in bios e togliere secure boot?\n<krabador> no, DEVI ABILITARLO , come detto prima.\n<sherlockholmes7> scusa abilitarlo?\n<sherlockholmes7> si scusami lo abilito subito e poi ci rivediamo :)))))) thanksssss a lot\n<krabador> lillo, alsamixer , premi f6 , fa screenshot\n<krabador> sherlockholmes7, come detto prima ---> ore fa\n<lillo> https://imagebin.ca/v/2irBO3WwqWvR\n<sherlockholmes> krabador il secure boot e' abilitato\n<lillo> e questo e' in cattura https://imagebin.ca/v/2irBx1ZYhIRl\n<sherlockholmes> ho riprovato a far partire boot repair ma mi da il solito errore...\n<sherlockholmes> mi dice il messaggio di passare dalla modalita legancy mode a efi mode...\n<lillo82> scusate e' caduta la linea....\n<lillo82> dicevo\n<lillo82> https://imagebin.ca/v/2irBO3WwqWvR\n<lillo82> e questo e' in cattura https://imagebin.ca/v/2irBx1ZYhIRl\n<sherlockholmes> entro nel bios e cambio da legancy a efi mode?\n<krabador> perchè, è il legacy???\n<krabador> <krabador> lillo, alsamixer , premi f6 , fa screenshot\n<krabador> premi f6, e poi fai screenshot\n<lillo82> https://imagebin.ca/v/2irBO3WwqWvR\n<lillo82> e questo e' in cattura https://imagebin.ca/v/2irBx1ZYhIRl\n<lillo82> va bene cosi?\n<krabador> lillo82, f6 , predefinita, cattura, equivala a quest'ultima?\n<sherlockholmes> scusate ma con questa tastiera strana con f6 nn fa lo screenshot....\n<lillo82> non ho capito\n<lillo82> dove sbaglio?\n<sherlockholmes> vi copio la prima parte del messaggio che mi compare dopo aver avviato boot repair...The boot of your PC is in Legacy mode. Please change it to EFI mode. Please use Boot-Repair-Disk-64bit (www.sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair-cd) which contains an EFI-compatible version of this software. ((use it from live-USB, not from DVD))\n<lillo82> questa e' riproduzione piu f6 https://imagebin.ca/v/2irHHyXh4aNN\n<lillo82> e questa cattura piu f6 https://imagebin.ca/v/2irHYpqfOTyT\n<lillo82> e questa cattura piu f6 https://imagebin.ca/v/2irHYpqfOTyT\n<sherlockholmes> @ krabador cosa mi consigli per favore...entrare nel bios e cambiare da legacy a efi mode?\n<giovanni> ciao a tutti! Io ho installato oggi in dual boot la versione 16.04 di ubuntu con windows 10 ma ho un problema ogni tanto lo schermo lampeggia nero e' una cosa abbastanza fastidiosa qualcuno sa come posso risolvere? grazie in anticipo\n<sherlockholmes> ragazzi grazie lo stesso...siete stati gentili...io provo a farlo la modifica consigliata nel bios...un saluto a tutti\n<krabador> giovanni, \"ogni tanto lo schermo lampeggia di nero\" ---> casualmente,o in momenti specifici ?\n<giovanni> casualmente prima mentre scrivevo lo faceva ora no\n<sherlockhomes> @ krabador quando sei libero se ti va accetto volentieri un tuo aiuto...\n<krabador> giovanni, puoi descrivere \"lampeggia di nero\" ?\n<giovanni> come se ci fosse un micro black out ma e' una cosa rapidissima e lo fa una due volte poi basta\n<krabador> giovanni, sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<krabador> giovanni, sudo lshw -C video | pastebinit\n<krabador> giovanni, incolla il link risultante\n<giovanni> ok arriva\n<krabador> lillo82, alsamixer, f6, seleziona hda intel pch , premi f4, fa screenshot\n<giovanni> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16819789/\n<giovanni> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16819789/\n<giovanni> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16819789/\n<lillo82> ok ora faccio\n<giovanni> scusa ne ho incollati 3 per sbaglio!\n<lillo82> krabador, ma lo avevo gia fatto ...\n<lillo82> questa e' riproduzione piu f6 https://imagebin.ca/v/2irHHyXh4aNN\n<lillo82> e questa cattura piu f6 https://imagebin.ca/v/2irHYpqfOTyT\n<krabador> lillo82, hai mandato una marea di screen con f6 sovrapposto\n<krabador> lillo82, quando f6 va premuto PRIMA\n<krabador> poi selezionato quanto richiesto\n<krabador> POI f4\n<krabador> POI screen\n<lillo82> se faccio f4 mi va in cattura\n<lillo82> se seleziono intel etc etc devo fare enter, se premo f4 non fa niente.... premo enter e poi f4 e mi va in cattura\n<krabador> giovanni, il supporto a skylake è presente in linux, ma ancora in via di perfezionament o\n<krabador> lillo82, \"seleziona hda intel pch\" ---\n<lillo82> cioe' vuoi la screen senza f6?\n<lillo82> fatto!\n<krabador> significa selezionare quella linea E PREMERE INVIO\n<krabador> poi cattura.\n<lillo82> infatti e' quello che ho fatto\n<giovanni> quindi per ora lo devo tenere cosi'? ora tipo lo ha rifatto un momento\n<krabador> lillo82, vuoi essere cosi' gentile da fare un'ennesimo screen ? ;)\n<lillo82> senza f6 sovrapposto? dopo che seleziono intel e premo invio?\n<krabador> lillo82, puoi chiamare un amico un po' piu' esperto di te, per accompagnarti in questa conversazione ?\n<lillo82> dai :)\n<krabador> giovanni, contro il mancato supporto , o supporto parziale, non c'è nulla da fare\n<lillo82> ora arrivano le screeen\n<lillo82> un sec\n<giovanni> ok ti ringrazio moltissimo per l'aiuto :)\n<krabador> figurati\n<sherlockhomes> krabador se vuoi io ci sn :)\n<krabador> sherlockhomes, e la domanda?\n<lillo82> ecco la prima https://imagebin.ca/v/2irSqCgsPqGy\n<lillo82> e la seconda https://imagebin.ca/v/2irT0VUMODIK\n<sherlockhomes> dopo aver avviato boot repair mi dice che il sistema e' in modalita' legacy....\n<krabador> sherlockhomes, legacy = secure boot disabilitato = uefi disabilitato\n<krabador> sherlockhomes, rispondi seriamente ad una domanda postati diverse ore fa : sei sicuro di aver installato ubuntu con uefi abilitato ?\n<lillo82> ovviamente con intel selezionato\n<krabador> lillo82, imposta \"disable\" nella voce \"auto mute m\" in riproduzione, in alsamixer\n<sherlockhomes> krebador... io dopo aver preso il pc con w10 ho provveduto subito ad installato ubuntu...nn ti so se questa informazione ti aiuta a capire se ho installato ubuntu con uefi abilitato...\n<krabador> !chi | sherlockhomes\n<ubot-it> sherlockhomes: se stai parlando con qualcuno in particolare, per rendere più leggibile il canale ti consiglio di inserire il suo nickname in quello che dici (puoi usare il completamento premendo il tasto tab)\n<lillo82> krabador, fatto e adesso?\n<sherlockhomes> @ubot-it\n<sherlockhomes> @ubot-it\n<sherlockhomes> @ ubot-it scusa... grazie per il suggerimento...provvedero' a farlo le prossime volte...\n<krabador> sherlockhomes, ad un medico quanto aiuterebbe \"dopo essermi alzato dal letto, mi ha fatto male la gola\" ?\n<lillo82> krabador, non funziona ancora il mic :(\n<krabador> sherlockhomes, come hai trovato, la prima volta che hai effettuato accesso a bios, le impostazioni di sercure boot, fast boot ?\n<sherlockhomes> @ krabador direi pochissimo...ma apprezzo la precisione con cui il pz mi racconta le cose...\n<lillo82> (che poi tra l'altro non funziona neanche l'attacco delle cuffie)\n<krabador> sherlockhomes, puoi indicare il modello preciso di questo notebook ?\n<krabador> lillo82, le cuffie sono rilevate mute\n<lillo82> krabador, mm sta per muto? e come le faccio partire?\n<sherlockhomes> @ certo...per trovare le impostazioni nel bios digito in sequenza esc f1 f2 f3 f4 nn sapendo quale sia il tasto per entrare nel bios...\n<krabador> premi m in corrispondenza della voce\n<krabador> lillo82, alc256, il tuo chip audio sembra non essere supportato\n<lillo82> krabador, accidenti e come faccio allora?\n<lillo82> le casse funzionano, ma le cuffie e il microfono interno no :(\n<sherlockhomes> @ krebador e nella maggior parte dei casi entro...cmq quando ho installato ubuntu la prima volta nn sn entrato nel bios e ho provveduto direttamente ad installarlo come ho fatto le precedenti volte su altri pc...il modello del pc nn e' scritto da nesuna parte...e' prodotto dalla zeus electronic technology\n<lillo82> che tu sappia esistono schede audio esterne che possono risolvere il mio problema? magari cinesate da pochi euro\n<krabador> cinesate da pochi euro non sono consigliabili piu' o meno a prescindere\n<lillo82> ma ehm io ho pochi euro...\n<lillo82> sono poveretto\n<krabador> lillo82, ti devi accontentare di quello che succede.\n<lillo82> ne ho trovata una a 60 centesimi spedita!\n<krabador> lillo82, uname -a | pastebinit\n<krabador> !chat | lillo82\n<ubot-it> lillo82: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<lillo82> ok..\n<krabador> almeno certe amenità non occuperanno il log.\n<giovanni> sherlockhomes: il tuo problema qual'e'? perhce' anche io avevo problemi con l'installazione e bios ecc poi ci sono riuscito se mi spieghi orse posso aiutarti\n<krabador> giovanni, sherlockhomes ne deve dare di informazioni\n<lillo82> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16820417/\n<giovanni> krabador: non e' cosi' facile per neofiti di ubuntu come me :) ti assicuro che ho fatto fatica ma e' stato soddisfacente\n<krabador> gigirock, lui è medico\n<sherlockhomes> @ grazie giovanni...ti spiego in breve...nn amo w10 e dopo che mi e' arrivato il pc nuovo ho installato ma nn mi parte...oggi pomeriggio krabador mi fa aiutato facendomi eseguire dei comandi nel treminale e ultima operazione sarebbe stata quella di avviare boot repair e sistemare il tutto...una volta avviato boot repair non mi portare il processo..\n<sherlockhomes> .ps cardiologo per la precisione :)\n<gigirock> chi sherlockhomes ?\n<krabador> sherlockhomes, non perdere tempo per favore\n<sherlockhomes> @ scusa...\n<sherlockhomes> @ krabador scusa\n<krabador> e rispondi per favore sulla condizione delle voci rilevate prima\n<giovanni> sherlockhomes: non ti parte ubuntu o windows? e ubuntu in che modalita' lo hai installato in caso?\n<sherlockhomes> @ giovanni w10 parte ma ubuntu no...a questa domanda nn so rispondere...l ho installato senza toccare il bios\n<giovanni> sherlockhomes: ok ubuntu in che senso non parte? se lo hai installato immagino sia partito una volta\n<krabador> oh sherlockhomes o rispondi, o un cardiologo non avrà problemi a portare il pc in un centro assistenza, no ?\n<lillo82> buonanotte a tutti\n<giovanni> krabador: calma lo provo ad aiutare io :)\n<gigirock> da notare la novita' giovanni , a cui vanno i saluti della comunita'\n<sherlockhomes> @ krabador...nessun problema a portare il pc in assistenza...speravo solo si riuscire a concludere installazione oggi perche mi serve per lavoro...\n<sherlockhomes> @ davvero giovanni grazie....se nn potete nessun problema e lo porto in assitenza...\n<giovanni> gigirock: grazie mille ma non sono un'esperto come molti di voi\n<krabador> sherlockhomes, se non rispondi , non puo' nessuno\n<giovanni> sherlockhomes: proviamo, dimmi le info che ti ho chiesto prima\n<krabador> sherlockhomes, ed è un pomeriggio intero che ti sto chiedendo di riabilitare uefi , e con un pc in legacy , secure boot non puo' essere abilitato\n<krabador> sherlockhomes, <krabador> sherlockhomes, legacy = secure boot disabilitato = uefi disabilitato\n<sherlockhomes> @ giovanni Kradabor ma come faccio ad abiliare un pc in uefi?\n<giovanni> sherlockhomes: ha ragione ragione kabrador, in piu' se il tuo precedente sistema operativo e' installato in ueubuntu deve esserlo se vuoi il dual bootfi anche\n<krabador> sherlockhomes, entra in bios, disabilita legacy\n<krabador> riabilita secure boot\n<krabador> e , per l'amor di Dio, datti una mossa\n<krabador> !log | giovanni\n<ubot-it> giovanni: Log del canale: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/\n<giovanni> sherlockhomes: basta che riabiliti secure boot e disabilita auto il legacymaticamente\n<krabador> giovanni, puoi andare a vedere quante volte è stato detto all'utente sherlock holmes a riguardo di uefi, e cosa ha fatto l'utente a riguardo\n<giovanni> krabador: grazie mille, ma basterebbe che lui bootasse in bios e riabilitasse secure boot, anche se io in teoria lo ho disabilitato per installare linux\n<sherlockhomes> @ krabador riprovo per ultima volta ma vi giro che secure boot e' enable...cosi mi dice nel bios...cmq riavvio e riprovo...grazie per la paziente...\n<sherlockhomes> per la pazienza...\n<krabador> giovanni, non aggiungere altro ad una questione affrontata fin troppo qui dentro, questo canale ha appunto il log per la consultazione da parte degli utenti alla ricerca di soluzioni di un problema\n<giovanni> krabador: kabrador scusami mi dici velocemente se lui ha effetivamente installato ubuntu in dual boot e poi non gli boota?\n<giovanni> krabador: o cosa ha combinato? almeno non sto a cercarmi tutto nel log\n<giovanni> krabador: perche' se lo avesse effetivamente installato e' strano forte il fatto che non booti\n<krabador> gigirock, uefi è implementato in maniera estremamente variabile dai vari vendors, ed in molti piu' casi di quanti se ne possano immaginare, è buggato\n<krabador> giovanni, ^\n<krabador> gigirock, scusa\n<sharlockholmes> @ giovanni ho riavviato e sn entrato nel bios e la modalità secure boot e' abilitata...ho fatto anche la foto del bios...se mi fornisci un link dove caricarla la allego...\n<krabador> !image | sharlockholmes\n<ubot-it> sharlockholmes: Carica un'immagine su http://prnt.sc/ o https://imgur.com/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<giovanni> sharlockholmes: ok dimmi se hai effetivamente installato ubuntu e non ti boota oppure non sei riuscito a installare ubuntu\n<gigirock> quelli che si portera' Conte sono + o - i migliori in Italia\n<gigirock> sorry\n<sharlockholmes> @ ubot-it giovanni http://prnt.sc/b9yhgw eccola...ho installato ubuntu ma nn parte...\n<krabador> sharlockholmes, falla sia della pagina di legacy\n<krabador> sharlockholmes, che di secure boot\n<krabador> sharlockholmes, che delle voci del boot\n<krabador> sharlockholmes, verifica le voci di \"secure boot mode\"\n<sharlockholmes> @ krabador te le faccio tutte le foto...la voce secure boot mode e' in modalità standard...\n<krabador> \"<krabador> sharlockholmes, verifica le voci di \"secure boot mode\" ---> elenca tutte le opzioni\n<giovanni> sharlockholmes: ma quindi hai partizionato il disco e installatolato ifle ma quando riavvi non ti l'opzione dual boot?\n<krabador> giovanni, leggi il log per queste informazioni\n<sharlockholmes> @ krabador giovanni vado a fare le foto richieste...si dopo aiuto krabador ho sistemato le ripartizioni...\n<giovanni> sharlockholmes: ok allora se disabiliti il secure boot dovresti poter scegliere\n<giovanni> sharlockholmes: il secure boot serve per far si che vi sia boot di un unico sistema operativo\n<krabador> giovanni, se leggessi il log , sapresti che sono tentativi già affrontati\n<giovanni> krabador: scusami ma non ne avevo tanta voglia ahaha\n<krabador> il che, è trollare\n<krabador> !troll | giovanni\n<ubot-it> giovanni: Trollare è un comportamento considerato fastidioso dagli altri utenti del canale. Questo include andare offtopic o chiedere la stessa cosa piu volte ottenendo risposte ma non considerarle, e questi non sono i soli comportamenti che possono essere considerati da troll. Per favore leggi /msg ubot-it irc - se questo riguarda te, potresti ritrovarti fuori dal canale.\n<krabador> giovanni, dillo prima, se hai voglia di continuare su questa linea\n<giovanni> krabador: comunque mi sembra strano che avendo installato ubuntu non gli booti nel senso se lo monta poi boota di solito il problema e' sull'installazione\n<giovanni> krabador: calma\n<sherlockholmes> @ giovanni krabador se per favore mi fornite un link per allegare le foto vi mando le schermate del bios...grazie\n<krabador> !image | sherlockholmes\n<ubot-it> sherlockholmes: Carica un'immagine su http://prnt.sc/ o https://imgur.com/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<giovanni> sherlockholmes: quello di prima\n<sherlockholmes> @ ubot-it giovanni krabador grazie provvedo subito\n<sherlockholmes> http://prnt.sc/b9ypru\n<sherlockholmes> http://prnt.sc/b9yqd5\n<sherlockholmes> http://prnt.sc/b9yqut\n<sherlockholmes> http://prnt.sc/b9yrb6\n<sherlockholmes> caricate tutte :)\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, hard disk drive bbs priorities\n<giovanni> sherlockholmes: allora devi camiare le priorita'\n<giovanni> sherlockholmes: esatto quello che dice krabrador\n<sherlockholmes> @ krabador giovanni ok entro li dentro e che cosa metto? vi faccio una foto?\n<krabador> fai una foto\n<sherlockholmes> ok thanksssss...grazie davvero ragazzi per il supporto...se siete di milano andiamo a berci una birra...vado e torno\n<giovanni> krabador: esco un attimo e rientro devo dare un reboot\n<krabador> !image | sharlockholmes\n<ubot-it> sharlockholmes: Carica un'immagine su http://prnt.sc/ o https://imgur.com/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<sharlockholmes> subito grazie\n<sharlockholmes> http://prnt.sc/b9z3xp\n<sharlockholmes> http://prnt.sc/b9z44k\n<sharlockholmes> http://prnt.sc/b9z4c6\n<sharlockholmes> http://prnt.sc/b9z4jf\n<sharlockholmes> @ubot-it li ho messo in sequenza in base alle diverse possibilita' di selezione\n<sharlockholmes> @ubot-it li ho messe in sequenza in base alle diverse possibilita' di selezione\n<krabador> sharlockholmes, prova a selezionare in sezione boot, in corrispondenza di boot n°1 , non uefi hard disk, ma hard disk\n<krabador> sharlockholmes, vedi che fa\n<sharlockholmes> grazie krabador...la prossima volta di scrivere in ciao con ubuntu...riprovo subito\n<sherlockholmes> nn parte ne win10 ne ubuntu...ecco la foto della schermata...http://prnt.sc/b9z8gz\n<sherlockholmes> ho ripristinato bios come era prima...\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, ricordi se hai installato ubuntu a 32 o a 64 bit ?\n<sherlockholmes> 64 sn sicuro\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, allora secure boot abilitato , uefi hard disk , fa partire di nuovo ubuntu da supporto di installazione e prova di nuovo boot repair\n<sherlockholmes> ok provo grazie....\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, quando sei\n<sherlockholmes> e partito il boot repair....evvaiiiiii\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, molto bene, per favore, manda un'immagine\n<sherlockholmes> yesssss\n<krabador> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Converting_Ubuntu_into_UEFI_mode\n<krabador> !image | sherlockholmes\n<ubot-it> sherlockholmes: Carica un'immagine su http://prnt.sc/ o https://imgur.com/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<sherlockholmes> subito grazie...\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, ubot-it non è un utente , prova a digitare !ciao in canale\n<sherlockholmes> !ciao\n<ubot-it> Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<sherlockholmes> :)\n<sherlockholmes> http://prnt.sc/b9zg85\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, e questo dopo aver fatto cosa?\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, le immagini del sistema operativo falle premendo il tasto stamp\n<krabador> lui le salverà in Immagini\n<sherlockholmes> carissimo su questa tastiera nn ce il tasto stamp e f6 nn esegue screen shot...dopo aver fatto partire boot repair andato in advanced e fatto apply...mi compare alla fine questo\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, sicuro di non avere un tasto associato a fn , per stamp ?\n<sherlockholmes> quasi sicuro....\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, \"grub location\" come era impostato ?\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, era di quello che volevo vedere l'immagine\n<sherlockholmes> @ krabador nn lo so come era impostato se vuoi metto no e rifaccio da capo il boot repair\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, era fondamentale lo status di grub location\n<krabador> ed è specificato estremamente chiaramente nelle guide\n<sherlockholmes> @ allora come era segnato nel link che mi hai mandato nel pomeriggio...l ho seguito alla lettera...\n<sherlockholmes> @ krabador come era segnato nel link che mi hai mandato nel pomeriggio...l ho seguito alla lettera...\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, si, ma se in grub location quello che viene rilevato, non va eseguito\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, metti si , clicca su forward e fa altra immagine\n<sherlockholmes> @ krabador mi dice GRUB is still present. Please try again.\n<krabador> *se in grub location quello che viene rilevato è una voce che dice determinate cose, non va eseguito\n<sherlockholmes> @ krabador http://prnt.sc/b9zl8u\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, perfetto, vai avanti\n<sherlockholmes> @ krabador compare sempre questo http://prnt.sc/b9zg85\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, vada per yes, forward, riavvia\n<sherlockholmes> @ krabador mi dice come messaggio finale GRUB is still present. Please try again.\n<krabador> riavvia\n<sherlockholmes> ok devo cambiare qualcosa nel bios e lascio tutto cosi e riavvio?\n<krabador> lascia tutto cosi'\n<sherlockholmes> @ krabador ok riavvio\n<sherlockholmes> grazie\n<sherlockholmes> ho riprovato ad avviare ma nn mi parte ne w10 ne ubuntu..mi da lo stesso problema di prima...\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, va a controllare come sta messo boot options n°1 ,e controlla se si sono aggiunge opzioni selezionabili\n<sherlockholmes> krabanor sei stato davvero gentile a darmi un mano nonostante il fatto che sn principiante e nn capisco un h...domani devo andare al lavoro...che ne dici se proseguiamo un altra volta?\n<sherlockholmes> ho chiesto a voi nn xche nn volessi andare in assistenza...ma dopo tentativi falliti con un mio amico ing amante di ubuntu...nn riuscendo con lui ho chiesto a voi...\n<krabador> sherlockholmes, torna quando hai tempo , questo canale è qui apposta\n<sherlockholmes> siete veramente splendidi e scusa per la mia ignoranza...I wish you the best...\n<sherlockholmes> :)\n<krabador> buon lavoro\n<sherlockholmes> thanks too you...\n#ubuntu-it 2017-05-22\n<LINUX-NEW> buongiorno, utilizzo un portatile dell latitude E7470 al boot ho alcuni problemi con ubuntu 16.04 quali driver mancanti scheda wifi ( anche se la scheda wifi funziona regolarmente ) e altri avvisi del genere, la domanda è: cè un modo per saltare il controllo di questi driver all'avvio per velocizzare lo startup ? questo perche prima di acaricare il SO si ferma almeno 10/15 secondi su questi avvisi.....\n<tony0> processore 1,60 Ghz Ram 2 Ghz quale distro mi conviene installare?\n<tony0> notebook hp dv4000\n<tony0> pavilion\n<LINUX-NEW> tony0, LXDE\n<Mr_Pan> tony0, Lubuntu\n<tony0> lxde debian giusto?\n<tony0> Mr_pan lubuntu lo provato in live ma non mi piace la grafica\n<tony0> LINUX-NEW debian?\n<tony0> adesso ho installato ubuntu 16.04 e sembra girare bene\n<gigirock> LINUX-NEW, non ho capito quando e come si 'ferma' su quei avvisi .....\n<gigirock> LINUX-NEW, hai gia' installato ubuntu 1604 ?\n<tony0> gigirock si\n<tony0> gigirock sembra fino ad ora che giri bene ubuntu 16.04\n<gigirock> si tony0 ma che de usi ?\n<tony0> gigirock non ho capito cosa?\n<gigirock> tony0, usi unity lxde gnome o che altro ?\n<tony0> unity\n<tony0> ubuntu 16.04\n<LINUX-NEW> gigirock, no non ancora\n<gigirock> ok, LINUX-NEW vuol dire che quei driver non sono caricati nel kernel della live ma poi come vedi nei repo troverai la giusta corrispondenza, la 16.04 come dice il suo nome e' vecchia di un anno\n<alienet> http://alienet.info/\n<alienet> conoscete questo sito\n<alienet> sapete come funziona\n<alienet> no riesco come funzioan\n<alienet> funziona\n<alienet> no riesco ad installare il vpn da terminale\n<Mr_Pan> alienet, smettila di giocare al piccolo hachero\n<Mr_Pan> !supporto\n<ubot-it> il canale di supporto è #ubuntu-it\n<Mr_Pan> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<davide4444> Salve, scusate il disturbo ma volevo chiedere delle informazioni per quanto riguarda ubuntu, siccome sto montando un computer da zero, volevo sapere se era possibile installare come primo sistema operativo Ubuntu (scusate per la domanda un po' stupida però tra mille dubbi preferisco chiedere)\n<Carlin0> davide4444, ovvio che si può\n<davide4444> ok grazie mille\n<b000lt> buona sera a tutti\n<Mr_Pan> ciao b000lt\n<b000lt> ho un problema con il mio portatile : L'audio funziona alla prima accensione, dopo la sospensione non va piu e devo per forza riavviare\n<b000lt> ho provato a fare qualche operazione letta sul forum ma senza successo, Qualcuno saprebbe aiutarmi ? grazie\n<Carlin0> b000lt, che ubuntu ? che portatile\n<b000lt> Notebook HP 530 Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS\n<Carlin0> b000lt, sei su ubuntu ora ? ora va l'audio ?\n<b000lt> ora no perche ho ripreso dalla sospensione\n<Carlin0> b000lt, apri un terminale scrivi alsamixer e posta la schermata\n<Carlin0> !image\n<ubot-it> Carica un'immagine su http://prnt.sc/ o https://imgur.com/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<b000lt> https://prnt.sc/farxv5\n<b000lt> @Carlin0 : https://prnt.sc/farxv5\n<Carlin0> b000lt, sudo apt install pastebinit\n<Carlin0> b000lt, dpkg -l | grep alsa | pastebinit\n<Carlin0> b000lt, posta il link che viene generato dall'ultimo comando\n<b000lt> Carlon0 http://paste.ubuntu.com/24623995/\n<Carlin0> b000lt, apri di nuovo alsamixer e con la frecce spostati sulla colonna internal poi premi M per levare il mute e alza il volume con la frecce\n<Carlin0> b000lt, cambia qualcosa ?\n<Carlin0> b000lt, certo se riuscissi a rispondere un po + veloce ...\n<b000lt> Scusa https://prnt.sc/fas7oq non ca0b5a n433a\n<b000lt> cambia nulla\n<Carlin0> b000lt, non hai tolto il mute , rileggi cosa ho scritto\n<b000lt> l ho fatto ma non va ho disabilitato anche auto mute\n<Carlin0> b000lt, no in quella colonna il mute è ancora attivo devi premere M quando sei sulla colonna\n<b000lt> Carlin0 https://prnt.sc/fasc9t\n<Carlin0> b000lt, proviamo a reinstallare alsa ...\n<Carlin0> b000lt, sudo apt install --reinstall alsa-base alsa-utils\n<b000lt> fatto\n<Carlin0> cambia qualcosa ?\n<b000lt> no\n<Carlin0> mi spiace ho finito le idee :(\n<b000lt> grazie ,mille\n<Carlin0> b000lt, ma l'ha sempre fatto ?\n<b000lt> no da poco che fa cosi\n<Carlin0> b000lt, ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d | pastebinit\n<andreag76c> qualcuno può aiutarmi devo installare linux su pc intel 64 bit quale versione devo selezionare?\n<b000lt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24624093/\n<Carlin0> andreag76c, che cpu ? quanta ram ? che scheda video ?\n<andreag76c> cpu intel i7 64 bit ram 16 giga scheda video geforce gtx650\n<Carlin0> b000lt, hai aggiunto sorgenti non ufficiali riguardanti proprio l'audio , 99% so loro ad aver incasinato\n<Carlin0> andreag76c, con quel hardware puoi installare qualsiasi versione\n<b000lt> carlin0 era per provare pipelight con timvision, se nn ricordo male .... cmq posso rimediare ?\n<Carlin0> !download | andreag76c\n<ubot-it> andreag76c: download is http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ o http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ o http://www.ubuntu-it.org/download\n<Carlin0> !ppa-purge | b000lt\n<ubot-it> b000lt: Per disabilitare una PPA dai tuoi sorgenti e ripristinare i pacchetti di default di Ubuntu, installare ppa-purge e utilizzare il comando: sudo ppa-purge ppa: <repository-name> / <subdirectory> - Per ulteriori informazioni, vedere http :/ / www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html\n<andreag76c> perchè ho scaricato ubuntu 16.10 desktop-amd64 l'ho messa sulla usb ma non me la vede mi dice che non c'è nessun sistema operativo nella chiavetta usb ma invece c'è\n<b000lt> carlin0 grazie ora provo\n<Carlin0> b000lt, per timvision basta chrome è un plugin lo vedo pure io\n<Carlin0> andreag76c, hai uefi ? hai windows già installato ?\n<Carlin0> andreag76c, come l'hai messa su usb ?\n<andreag76c> si esatto l'ho messa inj formato iso come l'ho scaricata\n<Carlin0> come l'hai mesa su usb ?\n<b000lt> carlino d avvero? io no ci sono mai riuscito\n<andreag76c> formato iso\n<Carlin0> b000lt, solo che chrome è solo a 64 bit\n<Carlin0> andreag76c, come (in che modo)\n<andreag76c> copia e incolla\n<Carlin0> eh no andreag76c usa rufus su windows per metterla su usb\n<andreag76c> rufus dove lo trovo?\n<Carlin0> andreag76c, inoltre ti consiglio la 16.04 che ha 5 anni di supporto\n<b000lt> Carlino va bene lo faccio sul pc fisso che è a 64 e ho lo stesso problema come si chiama il plugin\n<Carlin0> mentre la 16.10 ha solo + 2 mesi\n<Carlin0> andreag76c, https://rufus.akeo.ie/\n<Carlin0> b000lt, basta che leggi le faq di timvision\n<andreag76c> ma poi quandoi la lancio mi da la possibilità di installare in un altro hd dove non c'è win?\n<Carlin0> andreag76c, scegli tu dove installarla\n<Carlin0> andreag76c, quando la lanci prima di installarla scegli prova senza installare\n<andreag76c> a ok grazie molte carlin0 sei gentile ciao!\n<Carlin0> e da live verifica che funzioni tutto\n<andreag76c> ok\n<akis24> e segui la guida uefi che un pc simile ha di sicuro\n<Carlin0> e si ha uefi di certo\n<Carlin0> !uefi\n<ubot-it> UEFI è una specifica che definisce una interfaccia software tra un sistema operativo e le piattaforme firmware, è intesa come un sostituto del BIOS. Per informazioni su come impostare e installare Ubuntu su macchine UEFI vedi http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/UEFI\n<Carlin0> ma li sono ignorante\n<andreag76c> grazie anche a @ubot.it ci guardo\n<robypaly66> Salve ho un problema grosso al riavvio non vedo più l'hard disk interno dove salvo i dati\n<robypaly66> mi sapete aiutare?\n<f843d0> robypaly66: che versione di Ubuntu, da quanto lo fa? Cose del genere sarebbe utile saperle...\n<cristincc> Ciao a Tutti. Ho un problema con le estensioni su ubuntu gnome. In pratica è sparito il pulsante on/off per attivare le estensione. Qualche suggerimento?\n<Mr_Pan> process all\n<Mr_Pan> stats\n<cris_> disappear the bottom to enable the extensions on ubuntu gnome. some suggestins??\n<Mr_Pan> !italiano\n<ubot-it> scrivere in maniera corretta facilita la lettura dei messaggi: frasi contenenti abbreviazioni, spesso chiare soltanto a chi le scrive, sono di difficile interpretazione. Ti invitiamo pertanto a non usarle. Vedi http://tinyurl.com/35d9kcn\n<B00LT> @Carlin0 ciao per la timvision come mi spiegavi oggi non ho trovato nessuna FAQ e nessuna guida\n<Carlin0> B00LT, passa in chat\n<Carlin0> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<B00LT> buona sera a tutti volevo spendere n GRAZIE per Carlin0 che mi ha risolto un problema che cercavo di risolvere da un anno GRAZIE ancora e b notte a tutti\n<Carlin0> eh B00LT ma l'ho risolto perchè avevo infostrada e poi so passato a tim per la fibra\n<Carlin0> e quindi ho timvision compreso\n<Carlin0> lol\n<Carlin0> ora vado davvero\n<Carlin0> notte\n<B00LT> anche io ma non sono mai riuscito tu si .... b notte e GRAZIE\n#ubuntu-it 2017-05-23\n<andre76> qualcuno puoi aiutarmi ho installato linux 16.10 ma non riesco a installarci il modem usb huawei e1692 dove ho la promozione tim 100 h al mese di navigazione allora sono andati in windows e ho scaricato wine 1.8.5 e playonlinux 4.2.10 per iniziare a installare programmi che uso in windows ma questi ultimi due non me li installa mi appare un messagg\n<andre76> io con scritto che sono di terzeparti e il puklsante installa sembra non funzionare come posso fare?\n<andre76> se avete un sistema per installare il modem tim in ubuntu sarebbe meglio coì scarico direttamente da lì\n<gigirock> andre76, se il sw e' per win difficilmente funzionera' in ubuntu\n<andre76> cosa intendi per sw?\n<gigirock> http://www.google.it/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwin55a3p4bUAhVCEJoKHb3MC9QQFgg0MAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.ubuntu.it%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D9%26t%3D578138&usg=AFQjCNFVjfAT3PhOKmtjjlwDZkW7Am6KTA andre76\n<gigirock> andre76, non ho molto tempo , vai su google e scivi huawei e1692 ubuntu e segui qualche guida ufficiale .....dai\n<andre76> si può fare una connesione remota in ubuntu?\n<gigirock> !rdp\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'rdp'\n<andre76> ok ci guardo\n<gigirock> andre76, si ma non c'e' una risposta di una riga alla tua domanda\n<Mr_Pan> andre76: puoi installare TeamViewer e remmina per RDP/SSH\n<andre76> qualcuno puoi aiutarmi ho installato linux 16.10 ma non riesco a installarci wine 1.8.5 e playonlinux 4.2.10 per iniziare a installare programmi che uso in windows ma questi ultimi due non me li installa mi appare un messaggio con scritto che sono di terzeparti e il puklsante installa sembra non funzionare come posso fare?\n<Mr_Pan> andre76: non ripetere la domanda\n<Mr_Pan> andre76: cosa devi installare ?\n<andre76> remmina per RDP/SSH cos'è\n<andre76> devo installare wine 1.8.5 e playonlinux 4.2.10 ma li devo scaricare da win non ho la possibilta' di collegare internet in ubuntu\n<Mr_Pan> andre76: no cosa vuoi installare dentro ubuntu\n<Mr_Pan> Che giri con wine e Play Linux\n<Mr_Pan> andre76: non aspettarti una grande compatibilità \n<andre76> dicersi programmi di musica come cubase e relativi plug in audio anche torrent\n<Mr_Pan> andre76: non credo che cubase giri ... torrent esiste transmission in ubuntu\n<andre76> ho visto che con wine e playonlinux puoi installare i file exe\n<Mr_Pan> Ma perché non puoi attaccare un cavo al pc Linux ?\n<Mr_Pan> andre76: si ma la compatibilità è bassa\n<andre76> il problema principale è che vorrei metterci internet ma ho il modem tim che al suo interno ha un fikle exe per installare il driver\n<andre76> ho linux in un hd esterno per usare i due sistemi l'ho appena installato volevo testarlo se potevo inastallarci i .exe\n<Carlin0> exe è roba windows\n<Mr_Pan> andre76: router con un file exe... se attacchi il cavo dovrebbe funzionare senza problemi\n<andre76> perchè in rete dice che con wine e playonlinux puoi?\n<Mr_Pan> Lascia perde exe in ubuntu / Linux ...\n<Mr_Pan> andre76: prova io ti ho detto la mia .. gira poca roba\n<andre76> anche se si installano poi non girano?\n<Mr_Pan> Ma può anche essere che nn si installano o nn partono .. prova...\n<andre76> ok provo ciao\n<Carlin0> andre76, collega il modem e dai lsusb leggi come lo vede\n<Mr_Pan> andre76: ciao\n<andre76> il modem non lo vede ma su imposta connessioni si\n<Mr_Pan> andre76: cerca un rete i parametri per connessioni tim e configurala a mano da network manager\n<Carlin0> andre76, tu posta il risultato di lsusb poi vediamo se lo vede o no\n<Carlin0> !paste | andre76\n<ubot-it> andre76: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<andre76> ok adesso devo riavviare per entrare in linux ciao\n<mrdek> Ciao a tutti, vorrei installare ubuntu su un hd esterno in modo che quando lo collego al computer possa scegliere se far partire ubuntu o il os interno. Uso un macbook pro. Sarei grato se qualcuno mi riesca a spiegare come fare\n<f843d0> mrdek: intanto, hai provato una versione di Ubuntu in live per renderti conto del supporto hardware?\n<f843d0> mrdek: inoltre, non è un'ottima idea far risiedere un OS su un disco esterno, a livello puramente di prestazioni\n<gianco62> Ciao a tutti, ho fatto l'aggiornamento da 16.04 a 17.04 e non mi riesce più di connettermi alla rete wifi. Quqlcuno sa dirmi qualcosa al riguardo?\n<f843d0> gianco62: hai provato da live?\n<gianco62> scusa ma sono alle prime armi cosa intendi da live?\n<f843d0> gianco62: realizza un supporto di installazione di Ubuntu 17.04, opera il boot da esso, e seleziona \"Prova Ubuntu senza installare / Try Ubuntu without installing\"\n<gianco62> si ma ormai l'ho installato\n<f843d0> gianco62: intanto si controlla se ci sono problemi con una versione \"ortodossa\" dell'OS.\n<f843d0> gianco62: se poi il sistema è stato compromesso per l'avanzamento di versione, è meglio procedere con un ripristino o reinstallazione. Ma intanto è bene sapere con che tipo di problema si sta avendo a che fare.\n<gianco62> certo forse mi conviene ripristinare la vecchia versione\n<Mr_Pan> se installo da zero ubuntu su disco ssd perdo anche i dati che nel raid 0 (2x2 TB) ?\n<f843d0> Mr_Pan: se il raid è software, direi di si\n<Mr_Pan> f843d0, li perdo perche devo ricotruire anche il raid da zero ?!\n<f843d0> Mr_Pan: eh mi sa di si, comunque cerco in letteratura\n<f843d0> Mr_Pan: se proprio ti devi lanciare senza paracadute, è altamente consigliabile provarlo in macchina virtuale prima\n<oiteu> Buonasera, utilizzo lubuntu 16.04 e non riesco a connettermi con la VPN, qualcuno può aiutarmi grazie.\n<Mr_Pan> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n#ubuntu-it 2017-05-24\n<alienet> ciao ragazzi buongiorno ora sono su ubuntu mate\n<alienet> sto provando la nuova rete anonima alienet\n<alienet> la conoscete alienet.info\n<alienet> la ha inventata un hacker italiano\n<alienet> e sto usando una vpn sara un po difficile per voi individuarmi\n<alienet> risulta che sono a amsterdam\n<alienet> invece sapete dove sono\n<Mr_Pan> alienet, ma allora sei un hackero .. OMG!\n<Mr_Pan> tor e proxy questi sconosciuti ..\n<alienet> come hackero no solo un semplice programmatore mica ho laurea in ingegneria informatica solo diploma programmatore e disegnatore caad\n<alienet> cad\n<alienet> disegnatore cad\n<alienet> e meglio di tor perche almeno quando ti connetti sparisce il computer dalla rete tipo ip spoofing\n<alienet> https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_spoofing\n<Mr_Pan> alienet, questo é il canale di supporto ubuntu stai inquinando i log\n<Mr_Pan> alienet, sei pregato di smetterla\n<Mr_Pan> e non mandarmi PM tanto li ho bloccati\n<alienet> se gli blocchi mica gli vedi no\n<alienet> vabbene la finisco era giusto per farvi capire che ci sono nuove reti anonime oltre tor ce anche alienet passate a trovarci dai su\n<alienet> ciao buona giornata io vado a lavoro\n<waltrek> Ho installato l'ultima versione di Lubuntu e vorrei passare a Ubuntu 17. Come posso procedere?\n<ExPBoy> waltrek, scarichi la live e lo installi\n<ExPBoy> !installazione\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download\n<waltrek> Sono neofita di linux e ubuntu. Cos'è la live e come la installo. Ho bisogno dell'ABC. Grazie!\n<ExPBoy> waltrek, vedo con piacere che hai letto la guida che ti ho consigliato\n<MarcoN> buon giorno a tutti! Mi scuso se scrivo qua ma, essendo un neofita di ubuntu, avrei bisognodi un supporto. Ho installato la nuova versione di Kubuntu su un HD con due partizioni: Una per il S.O. e l'altra con partizione NTFS dove tendo i miei dati ( giusto per capirsi ). Non riesco a modificare o fare nulla nella partizione NTFS, presumo sia un pro\n<MarcoN> blema di permessi: qualcuno di voi sa darmi un aiuto cortesemente?\n<Mr_Pan> MarcoN, la partizione NTFS accetta i permessi scritture/lettura solo nel moemnto in cui viene montata nel file FSTAB ... all avvio\n<Mr_Pan> MarcoN, come monti la partizione NTFS\n<Mr_Pan> MarcoN, leggi la guida >>> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviPartizioni/MontarePartizioni/Ntfs\n<MarcoN> ti ringrazio Mr_Pan .. ora provo a seguire la guida... :)\n<simon86> ciao ma aiutate pure per puppy linux?\n<Mr_Pan> simon86, no qui solo supporto a Ubuntu e derivate ufficiali\n<pietro> ragazzi buon pranzo prima di tutto poi seriamente ho un problema con ubuntu gnome\n<pietro> 32 bit la cpu rimane sempre alta\n<pietro> perche no ho aperto i programmi\n<Mr_Pan> pietro, descrizione del tipo di hw per favor ram processore ecc ecc\n<pietro> intel celeron 3050\n<pietro> 4 giga di ram 512 di scheda video\n<pietro> dicevano per ubuntu va bene ma ho provato di tutto l k x ma ubuntu gira male alla fine sono passato anche a mint era peggio pero\n<pietro> speravo che spendendo poco con un pc del 2016 andasse bene\n<pietro> asus f402\n<pietro> modello pc\n<pietro> con windows no vi dico va ancora peggio ho cambiato hardisk peggio ancora no gira proprio\n<pietro> so gia che avete capito chi sono pero datemi una mano\n<pietro> pensate persino in live gira male anche la distro tails\n<pietro> che e la piu leggera\n<pietro> ma state tutti mangiando vedo vabbe vi lascio lemail mi contatte voi emanuele198719@gmail.com\n<pietro> mi trovate sempre sapete\n<pietro> grazie ancora\n<Carlin0> sbasso, fermati !\n<sbasso> Carlin0: ?\n<Michele81> salve a tutti\n<Carlin0> !ciao | Michele81\n<ubot-it> Michele81: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<Michele81> a chi posso chiedere un aiuto riguardo l'installazione di un gioco?\n<Carlin0> che gioco Michele81 ?\n<Michele81> Runaway 1e2\n<Carlin0> preso dove ?\n<Michele81> premetto che il gioco è originale\n<Mr_Pan> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Carlin0> qui non diamo supporto a software derivante fuori dai repo ufficiali\n<Michele81> ok grazie...\n<bobbalob> cè qualcuno ??\n<bobbalob> scusate l'orario\n<bobbalob> dovrei cambiare i permessi di scrittura di un disco\n<Raffaele> Salve a tutti\n<f843d0> !ciao | Raffaele\n<ubot-it> Raffaele: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<Raffaele> Chiedo una gentilezza: ho installato xubuntu in un notebook vaio su cui originariamente vi era xp.\n<Raffaele> Avverto però un fastidioso rumore all'altoparlante sx che non so come far sparire\n<Carlin0> che rumore ?\n<Raffaele> Un crepitio\n<Raffaele> Tipico dei popcorn (per rendere insomma l'idea)\n<Carlin0> eh Raffaele sarà che il pc è vecchiotto\n<Carlin0> sembra un problema di hardware e non di software\n<Raffaele> Ma con xp non l'ha mai fatto\n<Raffaele> Ho letto nel forum altri utenti che con lacstessa macchina hanno avuti lo stesso problema\n<Carlin0> quindi si conferma che sia problema di hardware\n<Raffaele> E sembra qualcuno dice che sia un problema kernel\n<Raffaele> Domani proverò questa soluzione https://www.google.it/amp/s/www.lffl.org/2012/10/ubuntu-e-i-problemi-audio-ecco-un-ppa.html/amp\n<Raffaele> E scriverò di nuovo\n<Raffaele> Intanto grazie per l'attenzione\n<Raffaele> Notte\n<Carlin0> Raffaele, ma lo vedi che è roba di 5 anni fa ?\n#ubuntu-it 2017-05-25\n<bobbalob> CIao ragazzi , qualcuno più simpatico di Carlin0? cmq il comando dd , chevoi sappiate, permette la creazione di usb live di altri sistemi operativi differenti da ubuntu?\n<bobbalob> devo fare una usb per un ripristino di un altro pc , grazie\n<vecchio> Salve, sto cercando di virtualizzare linux su windows ma ogni volta esce questo: http://imgur.com/GDuiflR qualcuno saprebbe aiutarmi? Pochi giorni fa prima di cambiare l'HD del pc me lo installava\n<Carlin0> vecchio, non diamo supporto a installazioni virtualizzate\n<neoh20> ciao ragazzi, vi spiego il mio problema. ho installato ubuntu sul mio macbook pro e adesso quando avvio mi fa partire in automatico ubuntu mentre per usare macOS devo forzare scegliendo il disco di avvio quando accendo. volevo sapere se c'era un modo per poter scegliere tra ubuntu o macOS all'avvio\n<Carlin0> neoh20, sei su ubuntu ora ?\n<neoh20> ora su mac\n<Carlin0> torna qui da ubuntu\n<neoh20> ok a tra poco\n<neoh2o> eccomi ora sono su ubuntu\n<Carlin0> neoh2o, apri un terminale e scrivi sudo apt install pastebinit\n<Carlin0> neoh2o, sudo update-grub | pastebinit\n<Carlin0> neoh2o, posta il link che viene generato dall'ultimo comando\n<neoh2o> https://thepasteb.in/p/Elh1X6q21lgIm mi da questo messaggio\n<Carlin0> 14:11:32<Carlin0> neoh2o, posta il link che viene generato dall'ultimo comando\n<Carlin0> neoh2o, è la 17.04 ?\n<neoh2o> dopo che faccio sudo update-grub | pastebinit mi da quel messaggio\n<neoh2o> si\n<Carlin0> eh non lo vede proprio osx , mi spiace ma oltretutto la 17.04 ha un sacco di problemi , è stata rilasciata immatura\n<neoh2o> adesso praticamente se non faccio niente all'avvio mi parte ubuntu se invece scelgo il disco mi da macos\n<Carlin0> ubuntu dovrebbe rilevare la presenza di altri sistemi operativi e farti scegliere all'avvio , ma la 17.04 ha un sacco di bug\n<neoh2o> ma allora mi sa che è per quello che mi ha fatto creare la partizione manuale\n<neoh2o> perchè l'alternativa era cancellare il disco non avendo rilevato altro sistema operativo\n<neoh2o> che altre distro mi consigli?\n<Saverio> Salve a tutti\n<Carlin0> neoh2o, sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit\n<Saverio> devo installare una epson stylus office BX305F... in automatico non mi esce...qualcuno può dirmi come fare?\n<Carlin0> Saverio, vedi se ti può essere di aiuto http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/StampantiScanner/EpsonStylusC\n<Saverio> solo per le C\n<Carlin0> ma la vede in quel modo ?\n<Saverio> si\n<Carlin0> e non ti propone driver adeguati ?\n<Saverio> cioè il gestore stampante la vede ma i driver sono di un'altra e non si trova quando stampo\n<Carlin0> i driver sono dove ?\n<Carlin0> ah ... capito\n<Saverio> quelli che mi propone il gestore stampante\n<Carlin0> quando la casa madre non rilascia driver è un problema\n<intelproblem> problemi con intel celeron del 2016\n<intelproblem> no riesco a far girare ubuntu\n<intelproblem> salve a tutti\n<intelproblem> praticamente uso un intel celeron n3050\n<intelproblem> con 4 giga di ram e 512 di scheda video pero che devo fare neanche lubuntu va\n<intelproblem> che mi consigliate\n<intelproblem> http://chat.ubuntu-it.org/\n<intelproblem> e la chat giusta no oppure ho sbagliato canale\n<Carlin0> intelproblem, il modello esatto di cpu ?\n<intelproblem> n3050\n<intelproblem> cosi dice sulle info\n<Carlin0> e la scheda video , che modello è ?\n<intelproblem> intel hd 400 braswell\n<Carlin0> cosa intendi : non riesco a far girare ?\n<intelproblem> che la ram gira sempre troppo\n<gigirock> Saverio: allora ?\n<Saverio> lho installata con un driver epson.....ma non posso controllarla....adesso mi dice cartuccia non riconosciuta....ti faccio sapere appena la cambio, grazie cmnq\n<pk2017> Salve a tutti\n<utente01> salve, ho un problema dopo un aggiornamento \" sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade\", icona audio scomparsa e da \"opzioni-audio-uscita\" non compare nessuna scheda audio, ma il fatto strano è,dt \"alsamixer\" riesco a regolare il volume principale, ma rimane il fatto che non riesco più a trovare la scheda dalle opzioni. Spero sia chiaro Versione ubuntu\n<utente01> 16.10. grazie in anticipo\n<Carlin0> utente01, metti sudo apt update in pastebin\n<Carlin0> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<utente01> ok\n<utente01> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24656005/\n<Carlin0> utente01, hai aggiunto dei ppa che ti hanno incasinato l'OS con l'aggiornamento\n<Carlin0> !ppa\n<utente01> sto già provvedendo a eliminare subito dei ppa\n<ubot-it> Un Personal Package Archive (PPA) è in grado di fornire il software alternativo non normalmente disponibile nei repository di Ubuntu offical - Alla ricerca di un PPA? Vedi https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - ATTENZIONE: PPA sono pacchetti di terze parti NON supportati il cui utilizzo è a proprio rischio. Vedi anche !addppa e !ppa-purge\n<Carlin0> eeh ma non basta rimuoverli ...\n<Carlin0> le librerie scaricate sono state installate\n<Carlin0> e il fatto che il tutto sia avvenuto con un aggiornamento è un classico\n<Carlin0> !ppa-purge\n<ubot-it> Per disabilitare una PPA dai tuoi sorgenti e ripristinare i pacchetti di default di Ubuntu, installare ppa-purge e utilizzare il comando: sudo ppa-purge ppa: <repository-name> / <subdirectory> - Per ulteriori informazioni, vedere http :/ / www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html\n<utente01> ok, provvederò ad eliminarli correttamente\n<utente01> provo a riavviare e vedere se ho risolto il problema\n<utente01> grazie\n<ryuujin> utente01: prego\n<utente01> ho eliminato i vari ppa con successo, ma il problema da \"opzioni-audio-scheda, continua. però l'audio ora rimane attivo all'avvio, prima dovevo sempre andare da alsamixer\n<utente01> e settare i volumi manualmente.\n<utente01> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24656435/\n<utente01> ho tolto pure pulseaudio\n<thing2022> Sale\n<thing2022> salve\n<thing2022> avrei un problema con l'installazione di una chiavetta Wi-Fi sul mio compaq cq57 con ubuntu 16.10\n<Slave> Ciao ragazzi ho una domanda da porvi, ho un hard disk condiviso in rete in un pc con Ubuntu rete gigabit. Se provo a copiare da windows la velocità è di 110mb/s fissa. Se provo a copiare da un'altro pc con ubuntu la velocità è di 35mb/s e dal portatile sempre con ubuntu 25mb/s. Con windows tutto ok! Come mai? Stesso problema anche su freenas condiv\n<Slave> iso smb e zfs. Da cosa può dipendere? grazie mille in anticipo\n<Slave> Ovviamnete tutto cablato ethernet gigabit e i pc sono tutti gigabit.\n<Slave> nessuno può aiutarmi?\n<pietroalbini> piccolo avviso anche qui\n<pietroalbini> tutta la roba di ubuntu-it sarà offline per qualche ora per manutenzione programmata\n<Mr_Pan> pietroalbini, ok\n<raffaele80it> Salve, ho un problema di rumore negli altoparlanti del mio notebook vaio su cui ho appena installato xubuntu\n<raffaele80it> qualcuno saprebbe aiutarmi?\n<Riccardone> raffaele80it: che tipodi problema ?\n<raffaele80it> crepitio all'altoparlante sx\n<raffaele80it> con xp (s.o. originario) non lo faceva\n<Riccardone> alsamixer\n<Riccardone> gioca un po' con i volumi e vedi che succede\n<Riccardone> :)\n<raffaele80it> https://thepasteb.in/p/66hVwGmgqg5cW\n<raffaele80it> scusa, ho sbagliato\n<raffaele80it> :-)\n<raffaele80it> sto prvando a carica lo screenshot\n<raffaele80it> http://i.imgur.com/0AVzGRa.png\n<raffaele80it> il crepitio inizia ad essere continuo al momento dell'avvio. Poi si calma e inizia a sentirsi 1-2 secondi ogni circa 2 minuti\n<raffaele80it> in ogni caso l'audio non funziona\n<Riccardone> hai il canale sx delle headfone al 92%,quello dx a zero ...\n<Riccardone> con F5 mostra tutti canali\n<raffaele80it> ieri sera ho provato a smanettare un po' in alsamixer. L'audio ha iniziato a funzionare ma il crepitio è iniziato sentirsi continuamente e anche mettendo tutti i volumi a zero non smetteva\n<Riccardone> uname -a\n<raffaele80it> http://i.imgur.com/T1ZeypV.png\n<Riccardone> lsb_release\n<raffaele80it> devo dare questi 2 comandi sul terminale?\n<Riccardone> si,giusto per capire che versione di kernel e xubuntu sui ...\n<raffaele80it> faccio subito\n<Riccardone> ma perchè tieni il canale sx alto ed il dx a 0 ??\n<Riccardone> abilita il loopback e disabilita il capture\n<raffaele80it> http://i.imgur.com/GvgA6IB.png\n<raffaele80it> così?\n<raffaele80it> http://i.imgur.com/hpTEWbm.png\n<Riccardone> scusa lsb_release -a\n<Riccardone> ok\n<Riccardone> così meglio ?\n<Riccardone> però dovresti anche bilanciare icanali dx/sx\n<raffaele80it> così ?\n<raffaele80it> http://i.imgur.com/kdfiNNP.png\n<Riccardone> ubuntu 17 ?\n<raffaele80it> si\n<raffaele80it> quali sarebbero i canali dx e sx ?\n<raffaele80it> http://i.imgur.com/ShLdiW8.png\n<Riccardone> hai dato un'occhiata qui; http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Audio/RisoluzioneProblemiAudio ?\n<Riccardone> i numeretti sopra 'headphone' 57<>0 ... Canale sx 57%, dx 0%\n<Riccardone> sopra PCM 57<>2... dovresti bilanciare\n<raffaele80it> grazie, non l'avevo notato :D\n<raffaele80it> adesso penso di aver sistemato\n<raffaele80it> http://i.imgur.com/zqM4wZF.png\n<Riccardone> dovrebbe andare meglio ...\n<Riccardone> hai ancora il gracchio ?\n<raffaele80it> di meno, a intervalli più lunghi, tipo ogni 5 minuti un gracchio di 1 secondo circa\n<raffaele80it> ma se riavvio alsamixer si sballa o mantiene queste impostazioni?\n<Riccardone> mantiene queste impostazioni generalmente ...\n<Riccardone> prova a riavviare e vedi\n<raffaele80it> se mi ricollego alla chat ti ritrovo :-) ?\n<Riccardone> sarà dura ...\n<Riccardone> sto crollando dal sonno\n<raffaele80it> scusami\n<raffaele80it> grazie mille\n<raffaele80it> ti occupi di php ?\n<raffaele80it> dovrei parlarti di un mio progetto\n<Riccardone> pocaroba\n<Riccardone> fino al php4 ero attento, poi col 5 e la programmazione ad oggetti ho un po' lasciato ...\n#ubuntu-it 2017-05-26\n<ryuujin> Riccardone in pratica hai lasciato quando php stava diventando decente\n<Giuseppe1111111> Salve\n<Giuseppe1111111> Ho un vecchio pc da recuperare...che caratteristiche minime deve avere per supportare bebe il sistema operativo?\n<gigirock> Giuseppe1111111, il minimo garantito non c'e' .....\n<Giuseppe1111111> Intendo caratteristichè del pc\n<gigirock> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/RequisitiDiSistema Giuseppe1111111\n<Giuseppe1111111> Può andare bene su titti i pc?\n<gigirock> no, Giuseppe1111111 non c'e' scritto quello nella guida che ti ho linkato\n<Lock> quindi ho pensato subito che fosse un problema di driver\n<Carlin0> Lock, ?\n<kub> il Wi-fi con win10 funziona ma con kubuntu no. Help!\n<ryuujin> gia'\n<Carlin0> kub, sei con kubuntu ora ?\n<kub> si\n<Carlin0> apri un terminale e scrivi sudo apt install pastebinit\n<Carlin0> kub, sudo lshw | pastebinit\n<Carlin0> kub, posta il link che viene prodotto dall'ultimo comando\n<kub> ok\n<kub> https://thepasteb.in/p/r0hwJ28NA29HK\n<kub> scusate per l'attesa\n<kub> ehi\n<kub> https://thepasteb.in/p/r0hwJ28NA29HK\n<gigirock> kub, ma il wifi e' 'acceso' adesso ?\n<gigirock> kub, sudo apt-get --reinstall install bcmwl-kernel-source se 6 collegato ad internet.....\n<gigirock> kub, anche se non sappiamo cosa hai installato .....\n<Carlin0> !bcm | kub leggi la guida la tua scheda è BCM4311\n<ubot-it> kub leggi la guida la tua scheda è BCM4311: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviSenzaFili/Broadcom\n<ale12345> buonasera, ho un problema relativo ad internet su lubuntu 17.04\n<ale12345> in pratica mozilla firefox mi dice \"server not found\" nonostante internet funzioni\n<ale12345> in cavo è attaccato correttamente perchè se io vado in 192.168.1.1 (indirizzo modem) funziona\n<ale12345> ovviamente sto scrivendo da altro computer\n<Carlin0> ale12345, se scrivi nel terminale ping -c 3 8.8.8.8 risponde ?\n<ale12345> sono venute fuori varie scritte, io però non so come allegarle..\n<ale12345> per fargliele leggere\n<Carlin0> lce una riga verso il fondo che dice qualcosa tipo ...\n<Carlin0> 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2003ms\n<Carlin0> cosa dice a te ?\n<ale12345> non c'è traccia di scritte del genere\n<Carlin0> e cosa dice l'ultima riga ?\n<ale12345> [-W timeout] destination\n<Carlin0> cmq ale12345 la 17.04 ha parecchi problemi , è stata rilasciata molto immatura\n<gigirock> ale12345, ma quindi sei collegato con cavo ethernet ?\n<gigirock> ale12345, ma hai installato o sei dalla live ?\n<ale12345> installato\n<ale12345> ethernet, il computer non supporta il wifi\n<gigirock> ah ok\n<ale12345> come faccio a risolvere?\n<gigirock> ale12345, devi controllare la tua connessione in lubuntu magari forza il dns a 8.8.8.8 e togli il protocollo ipv6\n<gigirock> controlla inoltre che il gateway sia a 192.168.1.1 che e' il tuo modem\n<Carlin0> se non risolvi installa la 16.04 che è più stabile\n<ale12345> sto cambiando il dns\n<ale12345> come faccio a disattivare il protocollo ipv6? Premo su \"ignore\"?\n<gigirock> si dalla tendina seleziona ignore o disattiva....\n<ale12345> fatto, devo riavviare il computer?\n<gigirock> poi dal terminale un bel sudo service network-amanager restart\n<gigirock> poi dal terminale un bel sudo service network-manager restart\n<ale12345> funzionaaaa, il comando dal terminale lo do lo stesso?\n<Carlin0> se funziona puoi farne a men\n<Carlin0> meno*\n<gigirock> ale12345, anche no adesso fai sudo apt update\n<gigirock> poi sudo apt upgrade\n<ale12345> Grazie mille veramente, il computer n questione è un vecchio pc assemblato anni e anni fa che ora, installandoci lubuntu, è rinato e ho intenzione di regalarlo ad una famiglia bisognosa\n<ale12345> ne approfitto per un piccolissimo problema al mio portatile\n<ale12345> da qualche settimana nella barra d stato è apparsa una strana icona\n<ale12345> è un rettangolo con un divieto rosso dentro, se la clicco non succede nulla però\n<Mr_Pan> ale12345, segnala problemi di aggiornamento\n<Mr_Pan> ale12345, da terminale sudo apt update&&sudo apt -y upgrade\n<Mr_Pan> tutto su una riga .. lascialo lavorare e vedi se scompare il segnale\n<Mr_Pan> altrimnti bisogna controllare il sources.list\n<ale12345> sta caricando\n<ale12345> è ancora li...\n<Mr_Pan> ale12345, lascailo andae fino a che finisce\n<Carlin0> ale12345, ma se da errore mettilo in paste\n<Carlin0> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<ale12345> ha finito\n<ale12345> e c'è ancora\n<Carlin0> ale12345, ma da errori il terminale ?\n<ale12345> https://thepasteb.in/p/DRhjG3o2QGMSy\n<Carlin0> ale12345, ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d\n<Carlin0> metti in paste\n<Mr_Pan> ale12345, hai dei PPA\n<Mr_Pan> !ppa\n<ubot-it> Un Personal Package Archive (PPA) è in grado di fornire il software alternativo non normalmente disponibile nei repository di Ubuntu offical - Alla ricerca di un PPA? Vedi https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - ATTENZIONE: PPA sono pacchetti di terze parti NON supportati il cui utilizzo è a proprio rischio. Vedi anche !addppa e !ppa-purge\n<Misterporter> buonpomeriggio\n<ale12345> https://thepasteb.in/p/vghOVAEYjpJt3\n<Misterporter> ho bisogno di aiuto\n<ale12345> buon pomeriggio\n<Misterporter> ho appena scaricato ed avviato ubunto\n<Misterporter> ultima versione\n<Misterporter> k'ho avviata da dvd\n<Misterporter> mi chiede login e password\n<Carlin0> ale12345, sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/sources.list.d/latuatr*\n<Carlin0> !enter | Misterporter\n<ubot-it> Misterporter: non spezzettare una frase su piu' righe. Non utilizzare il ritorno a capo come punteggiatura.\n<ale12345> fatto\n<Carlin0> ale12345, e poi di nuovo sudo apt update\n<Misterporter> ok grazie quindi faccio do invio senza scrivere nulla\n<ale12345> https://thepasteb.in/p/8qhO4YOZjZYF0\n<Carlin0> ale12345, non hai dato il primo comando correttamente\n<Carlin0> ops\n<Carlin0> scusa anzi\n<Carlin0> ho toppato io\n<Carlin0> ale12345, sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tuala*\n<ale12345> capita a tutti di sbagliare\n<ale12345> fatto\n<Carlin0> sudo apt update ale12345\n<ale12345> di nuovo sudo apt update?\n<ale12345> ok\n<Carlin0> si\n<Carlin0> ora non dovrebbe dare errori r dovrebbe sparire quel coso\n<Carlin0> Misterporter, dove l'hai presa ubuntu ?\n<ale12345> mi chiede di aggiornare dei pacchetti\n<Carlin0> ok ale12345 dai sudo apt -y upgrade\n<ale12345> dice di fare apt list --upgadable\n<Carlin0> si ma ...\n<Carlin0> dai il comando che ti ho detto\n<ale12345> ok\n<ale12345> sta lavorando.. grazie in anticipo\n<ale12345> ha finito\n<Carlin0> ale12345, errori ?\n<ale12345> rimane l'affarino lassù\n<Carlin0> dovrebbe sparire ...\n<Carlin0> sudo apt update da errori ?\n<ale12345> ho fatto un altro sudo apt update e dice che tutti i pacchetti sono aggiornati, 0 errori\n<Mr_Pan> ale12345, riavvia\n<ale12345> ok\n<Carlin0> allora sei a posto vedrai che sparisce il coso\n<ale12345> ok grazie, riavvio il computer, arrivederci e buona serata\n<Misterporter> Carlin0: lo presa da qui sito ufficiale è la ubuntu 17.04la voglio avviare da dvd e va tutto bene parte ma mi da da scrivere prima il login e poi\n<Carlin0> Misterporter, controlla il md5sum della iso\n<Carlin0> !md5 | Misterporter\n<ubot-it> Misterporter: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Md5Sum\n<Misterporter> sighhhhh non ci capisco niente Carlin0 considera che oggi è la prima volta che voglio approdare a Ubuntu\n<Carlin0> eh ma leggi la guida , è in italiano\n<Misterporter> consigliami una buona versione di ubunto da scaricare e lanciare da DVD\n<Carlin0> Misterporter, dipende anche dal tuo pc : che cpu ha ? quanta ram ? che scheda video\n<Misterporter> è un lenovo nuovissimo 4gb\n<Carlin0> nuovissimo non vuol dire nulla conta il tipo di processore\n<kub> il problema non si è risolto anche se ho seguito la guida per l'installazione dei driver\n<kub> iwconfig\n<gianco62> Buongiorno a tutti, ho fatto l'avanzamento alla versione 17.04 e si sono verificati alcuni problemi. Il wifi ha smesso di funzionare e posso connettermi solo con la connessione via ethernet. Ho una vecchia stampante Epson che ha sempre funzionato con tutte le versioni precedenti fino alla 16.10, ora non viene più vista. qualcuno può aiutarmi.\n<kub> lo no wireless extensions\n<kub> anche io ho problemi col wifi gianco\n<Carlin0> kub, sei da ubuntu sempre ?\n<kub> si\n<Carlin0> kub, apri un terminale e scrivi sudo apt install pastebinit\n<kub> già fatto\n<Carlin0> kub, dpkg -l | grep bcmwl | pastebinit\n<Carlin0> kub, posta il link che viene prodotto dall'ultimo comando\n<Carlin0> gianco62, gli avanzamenti di versione non sempre vanno a buon fine e la 17.04 è già un disastro a se\n<kub> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24667423/\n<gianco62> Si questo lo so.\n<Carlin0> kub, cat /etc/network/interfaces | pastebinit\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/AnhrqE16MK9Tv questo è quello che mi riporta il terminale ogniqualvolta gli do un comando\n<kub> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24667466/\n<Carlin0> kub, hai riavviato dopo installato i driver ?\n<kub> si\n<Carlin0> kub, sudo ifconfig | pastebinit\n<kub> prima mi diceva di eseguire modprobe senza riavviare poi per sicurezza ho riavviato\n<Carlin0> gianco62, hai software center aperto o altro quando dai il comando ?\n<kub> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24667473/\n<Carlin0> kub, sudo rfkill list | pastebinit\n<gianco62> no sono in contemporanea su Telegram ma non penso centri qualcosa\n<Carlin0> gianco62, no o software center o gestore pacchetti\n<kub> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24667479/\n<Carlin0> kub, ma ha un tastino che apre / chiude il wifi quel pc ?\n<gianco62> Provo a spegnere tutto e a riavviare?\n<Carlin0> no\n<Carlin0> gianco62, prova a dare sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock\n<Carlin0> e poi gianco62 sudo apt update\n<gianco62> fatto\n<Carlin0> cambiato qualcosa ?\n<gianco62> è venuta fuori una lista\n<Carlin0> gianco62, errori ?\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/JZhpMKQk2Zqtg\n<Carlin0> gianco62, sudo dpkg --configure -a\n<Carlin0> gianco62, sudo apt -f install\n<gianco62> Ho dato il primo comando e mi ha rimandato questo\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/1jhnWqE3vzvIB\n<Carlin0> dai il secondo\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/vghOVAyVrA8c3\n<Carlin0> gianco62, sudo apt -y autoremove --purge\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/DRhjG3OlZ33Iy\n<Carlin0> gianco62, sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock\n<Carlin0> gianco62, sudo apt -y autoremove --purge\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/qjhLwX7xwEXFB\n<Carlin0> gianco62, sudo apt -f install\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/76hE7ZWgVo6CV\n<Carlin0> gianco sudo apt install --reinstall cups cups-x2go samba-common-bin\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/Z4hPBQopj6PFG\n<Carlin0> gianco62, sudo apt install pastebinit\n<Carlin0> gianco62, apt-cache search cups | pastebinit\n<giujepe12154> aiutoooo\n<giujepe12154> non reisco ad installare xubuntu su pc\n<giujepe12154> mi aiutate\n<Carlin0> !aiuto | giujepe12154\n<ubot-it> giujepe12154: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<Carlin0> che pc giujepe12154 ? che cpu ha ? quanta ram ? che scheda video ?\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/xGhmNxQ62AQUM\n<giujepe12154> non riesco a darti queste info\n<giujepe12154> praticamente è ultravecchio hyundai\n<giujepe12154> parte la chiavetta, compaiono le stringhe ma non installa\n<Carlin0> giujepe12154, sudo dpkg-reconfigure samba-common-bin\n<Carlin0> ops\n<Carlin0> gia sudo dpkg-reconfigure samba-common-bin\n<Carlin0> gianco62, sudo dpkg-reconfigure samba-common-bin\n<giujepe12154> ragazzi\n<giujepe12154> non sono esperto come voi\n<giujepe12154> parole spicciole\n<Carlin0> giujepe12154, come hai preparato la chiavetta ?\n<giujepe12154> linux live\n<Carlin0> giujepe12154, ma da windows ?\n<giujepe12154> si\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/AnhrqE1wpKKTv\n<Carlin0> usa rufus giujepe12154\n<giujepe12154> potrebbe essere quello il problema\n<giujepe12154> ?\n<giujepe12154> da windows come vedo che hardware ha questo pc..non mi ricordo dove devo vedere!\n<giujepe12154> magari cosi vi scrivo tutto\n<kub> Carlin0 si l'ho premuto il tasto del wifi ma mi accende il bluetooth\n<kub> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24667773/\n<Carlin0> gianco62, sudo rm /var/cache/debconf/config.dat\n<Carlin0> gianco62, sudo dpkg-reconfigure samba-common-bin\n<Carlin0> kub, sudo ifconfig | pastebinit\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/k5hYG55ngERuE\n<Carlin0> gianco62, sudo rm /var/cache/debconf/*.dat\n<Carlin0> gianco62, sudo dpkg-reconfigure samba-common-bin\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/r0hwJ22rlDlCK\n<Carlin0> gianco sudo apt install --reinstall cups cups-x2go samba-common-bin\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/48hYkllYKZzfR\n<Carlin0> che palle !!!\n<Carlin0> lol\n<Carlin0> gianco sudo apt install --reinstall cups-x2go samba-common-bin\n<kub> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24667835/\n<gianco62> Hai ragione\n<Carlin0> kub, sudo iwconfig | pastebinit\n<Carlin0> tra un po devo scappare vi avverto\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/nZhlBmm37GquY\n<Carlin0> gianco sudo apt install --reinstall samba-common-bin\n<kub> https://thepasteb.in/p/48hYkll9ZN1iR\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/Vmh0Qgg5lq5f4\n<Carlin0> prova a riavviare kub\n<Carlin0> gianco62, cat /etc/apt/sources.list\n<kub> va bene se il problema non si risolve che faccio??\n<kub> quando ti ritrovo?\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/xGhmNxxBEWlIM\n<Carlin0> torni e vediamo io tra un po stacco magari trovi qualcun altr\n<kub> ok grazie del supporto\n<Carlin0> gianco62, sudo apt update\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/LghN8QQl1QBCZ\n<Carlin0> gianco62, è ubuntu giusto ?\n<gianco62> ubuntu 17.04\n<Carlin0> gianco62, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list\n<Carlin0> gianco62, ti si apre il file cancelli tutto e incolli dentr quello che trovi in questo link http://sprunge.us/dDfb\n<Carlin0> so 4 righe\n<Carlin0> gianco62, e dopo sudo apt update\n<gabriele2002> salve dovrei stampare ma non so come scaricare i driver\n<Carlin0> gabriele2002, che stampante ?\n<gabriele2002> brother\n<Carlin0> vediamo ...\n<Carlin0> !brother\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/StampantiScanner/BrotherMultifunzione\n<gabriele2002> per la precisione brother DCP-J123W\n<Carlin0> vedi la guida gabriele2002\n<gabriele2002> ok\n<gabriele2002> mi da errore quando stampo\n<gianco62> Non è successo nulla forse ho commesso qualche errore nei passaggi\n<gianco62> Il comando l'ho dato sempre al tyerminale.\n<Carlin0> gianco62, cat /etc/apt/sources.list\n<Carlin0> ma fai copia/incolla dei comandi ...\n<gabriele2002> ultima informazione\n<gabriele2002> mi puoi dire i comandi per scaricare java??\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/Z4hPBQQGn6JTG\n<gianco62> Non mi ridà la lista\n<Carlin0> gabriele2002, dovrebbe essere già installata la versione open\n<gabriele2002> no\n<gabriele2002> non la trovo\n<Carlin0> gianco62, ...\n<Carlin0> gianco62, ti si apre il file cancelli tutto e incolli dentr quello che trovi in questo link http://sprunge.us/dDfb\n<Carlin0> gianco62, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list\n<Carlin0> e ci incolli dentro le 4 righe del link\n<Carlin0> salvi e chiudi\n<gianco62> Purtroppo non mi si apre più il file nel quale incollare la stringa\n<Carlin0> gianco62,\n<Carlin0> gianco62, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list\n<Carlin0> il file ora è vuoto\n<Carlin0> incolla dentro quello che contiene http://sprunge.us/dDfb\n<Carlin0> gabriele2002, sono ignorante in materia mi spiace , aspetta qualcun altro\n<Ab3L> gabriele2002: apri un terminale e scrivi \"locate jre\" dovrebbe dirti dove si trova java.\n<gabriele2002> ok grazie\n<Ab3L> gabriele2002: scusa, \"locate jdk\"\n<gianco62> L'ho incollato\n<Carlin0> ok gianco62\n<Carlin0> gianco62, cat /etc/apt/sources.list\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/48hYkllxRwYsR\n<gianco62> Mi sembra non riporti nulla?\n<Carlin0> gianco62, ascolta devo andare ... ma tu poi rileggi con calma\n<gianco62> Va bene ti ringrazio per la cortesia.\n<Carlin0> 17:48:47<Carlin0> gianco62, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list\n<Carlin0> 17:49:33<Carlin0> gianco62, ti si apre il file cancelli tutto e incolli dentro quello che trovi in questo link http://sprunge.us/dDfb dopo salvi e chiudi\n<Carlin0> dopo incollato devi salvare il file gianco62 se no si perde tutto\n<gianco62> Ok ho fatto\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/1jhnWqqry7mCB\n<gianco62> questo è l'ultimo messaggio da terminale\n<gianco62> sob!!!\n<Ab3L> gianco62: quelli non sono errori. ti si è aperto gedit con il contenuto di /etc/apt/sources.list ?\n<giannix> ciao voglio scaricare ubuntu ma devo selezionare desktop o server? grazie\n<gianco62> Ho fatto l'operazione che mi ha suggerito carlino\n<Ab3L> giannix: dipende per che cosa lo scarichi. se per usarlo giusto come server, allora scarica la versione server. se invece vuoi usarlo come un utente normale per andare in internet, scrivere lettere, e-mail, ecc. ecc. ecc. allora meglio che scarichi la versione desktop.\n<Ab3L> gianco62: dunque hai rimpiaziato il contenuto del vecchio file /etc/apt/sources.list con quello proposto da Carlin0 ? hai già fatto salva?\n<giannix> desktop, grazie\n<gianco62> si\n<Ab3L> gianco62: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit\n<gianco62> fatto\n<Ab3L> gianco62: incollami il link che ti è uscito\n<gianco62> non è uscito nulla\n<Ab3L> gianco62: poi, già che ci sei, incollami anche il link che ti esce dopo questo comando: ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d | pastebinit\n<Ab3L> gianco62: cat /etc/apt/sources.list\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/nZhlBmmYlR6IY\n<Ab3L> gianco62: chiudi gedit.\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/Y6hkBAA4Mo1h7\n<gianco62> ok fatto\n<Ab3L> ora ridai i comandi di prima: cat /etc/apt/sources.list\n<Ab3L> ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/KOh8p44gxm8cJ\n<Ab3L> gianco62: sudo apt-get update\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/zmh8V44klXVHZ\n<Ab3L> gianco62: ls -alR /var/lib/apt/\n<gianco62> https://thepasteb.in/p/qjhLwXk8Eq4uB\n<gabriele2002> chi mi sa dire i codici per scaricare java??\n<kub> salve\n<Ab3L> gianco62: non mi piace il tuo /var/lib/apt/lists/partial\n<gianco62> cioè?\n<Ab3L> gianco62: penso che i proprietari di quella cartella siano sbagliati\n<gianco62> e cosa posso fare?\n<Ab3L> gianco62: purtroppo io ho una versione più vecchia della tua, ma da me è sempre root root, invece da te è _apt root\n<gianco62> quasi quasi torno alla 16.10 andava così bene\n<Ab3L> gianco62: devo documentarmi per sapere se posso farti cambiare i proprietari con chown oppure se invece bisogna lasciare così perché c'è un processo in corso.\n<kub> ehi\n<gianco62> Allora ci sentiamo domani.\n<Ab3L> gianco62: so come cambiare l' _apt in root, ma sto verificando se si può fare senza troppi dolori. in genere quell'errore l'ho avuto con dpkg invece che con apt e non so può essere trattato alla stessa maniera.\n<kub> salve ho un problema col wifi\n<Ab3L> kub: ho letto, ti parte il blutooth invece che il wifi, ma purtroppo non saprei come aiutarti.\n<kub> ok aspetto risposta\n<kub> aiuto me\n<kub> per favore\n<kub> ehi\n#ubuntu-it 2017-05-27\n<Big> salve a tutti\n<Big> sono qui perchè ho un piccolo problema con la chiave usb e ubuntu\n<Big> nonostante abbia googlato un bel pò nn ho trovato soluzione\n<Big> in poche parole non riesco a scrivere file sulla chiave da ubuntu mentre da win si\n<Big> quando copio un file mi da: errore durante la copia\n<Big> la destinazione è in sola lettura\n<Big> non ho troppa confidenza coi comandi chmod perchè è da poco che sono tornato al debian però credo di averli provati un pò tutti\n<Big> qualcuno ha una soluzione??\n<Mr_Pan> Big, controlla se la pennetta ha uno switch che blocca la scrittura come quelle delle sd card\n<Big> :)\n<Big> nn c'è\n<Big> e cmq ho 2 chiavi che mi danno lo stesso errore\n<Big> ho formattato sia con gparted che con il programma di win\n<Big> sian in fat che ntfs\n<Mr_Pan> Big, qualcuno ha risolto procedendo a nuova formattazione\n<Mr_Pan> pui farlo con gparted. da console o da windows\n<Big> magari devo dare delle opzioni particolari???\n<Big> nella formattazioni tipo di flag\n<Big> cmq è un bug del sistema o un'errore dell'utenza\n<Mr_Pan> Big, hai controllato i permessi della usb ? utente e permessi lettura/scrittura ?\n<michele_> buongiorno, c'è qualcuno che mi aiuta a scrivere uno script di shell?\n<tom81> ciao Carlin0\n<tom81> sono ancora io con il solito problema con la rete\n<tom81> per favore aiutami a risolver sto problema perchè non ne posso più di dover sempre riavviare per avere la connessione\n<tom81> ho fortmattato ma non è cambiato nulla\n<tom81> può esserci qualche impostazione nel bios da modificare?\n<Big> @mr_pan se parli di quelli cliccando dx sull'icona si ho spippolato un bel pò\n<Carlin0> Big, quando levi la chiavetta dal pc prima la smonti ?\n<Silvia> Ciao! ho una domanda, spero possiate aiutarmi\n<Silvia> ieri ho formattato il mio netbook ASUS eeepc e ho installato ubuntu 17.0, pero mi sembra che sia un po' lento... è lento a fare il boot, ad aprire i fare programmi, anche a navigare su internet\n<Silvia> non è molto lento, ci si puo lavorare, è solo che non è fluido ed è un po' snervante\n<Silvia> mi chiedo se magari non sia Ubuntu 17.0 troppo pesante per il mio netbook\n<Silvia> grazie dell'aiuto\n<Big> @carlin0 di solito no però ho provato a usarla con win e funziona posso scrivere poi rimuovo safe e provo con ubu ma non va\n<Carlin0> Silvia, dicci le caratteristiche del pc : cpu ram e scheda video\n<Carlin0> Big, devi formattare la chiavetta e poi prima di scollegarla da linux va smontata o espulsa\n<Big> ok faccio subito con gparted\n<Big> devo usare un fat o ntsf??\n<Carlin0> fat32\n<Big> devo mettere dei flag particolari??\n<Carlin0> no no\n<Big> quindi nessun flag???\n<Carlin0> ma ogni volta prima di scollegarla smontala\n<Silvia> è un eeepc seashell series, 2 gb di ram, processore Intel® Atom⢠CPU N2600 @ 1.60GHz à 4, scheda video Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 4.0, 128 bits), e ho scaricato la versione di ubuntu a 32bit, perche quella a 64 non me la accettava\n<Carlin0> Silvia, su una cpu atom è molto meglio se installi lubuntu che è + leggero , inoltre ti consiglio la versione 16.04 LTS che è + stabile ed ha 5 anni di supporto\n<Big> nulla persiste il problema\n<Carlin0> strano Big\n<Carlin0> Silvia, scarica questa http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/16.04.2/release/lubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-i386.iso\n<Big> errore durante la copia\n<Big> la destinazione è il sola lettura\n<Silvia> ok grazie per il consiglio\n<Silvia> una volta che la scarico devo metterla su chiavetta e fare lo stesso procedimento che ho fatto ieri riformatando il pc?\n<Silvia> (scusa la domanda un po' idiota ma non sono molto pratica :D)\n<Carlin0> Silvia, si e in fase di installazione sovrascrivi la prima installazione ubuntu , se fai la chiavetta da win usa rufus\n<Silvia> ok grazie mille carlino!\n<Silvia> lo faccio subito\n<Silvia> buona giornata!!!!\n<Carlin0> Big, è strano perchè fat32 non supporta permessi di scrittura , di solito quella cosa accade quando scolleghi la chiavetta sena prima smontarla\n<f843d0> Big: sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<Big> installato ma a che serve :)\n<f843d0> Big: lsb_release -a | pastebinit\n<f843d0> Big: incolla in canale il link prodotto dal comando\n<Big> https://thepasteb.in/p/8qhO4YkwV0jc0\n<f843d0> Big: incolla il link, non generarne un altro\n<Big> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24676823/\n<Big> eccolo\n<f843d0> Big: sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit\n<Big> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24676834/\n<Big> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24676834/\n<f843d0> Big: sudo mount | pastebinit\n<Big> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24676838/\n<Big> ovviamente la chiave è inserita in questo momento\n<f843d0> Big: lo vedo. E sembra anche montata correttamente\n<f843d0> Big: touch foo.bar /media/ryoma/D8AE-2FFB\n<f843d0> Big: scusa, touch /media/ryoma/D8AE-2FFB/foo.bar\n<Big> fatto\n<f843d0> Big: ls -lh /media/ryoma/D8AE-2FFB/ | pastebinit\n<Big> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24676900/\n<f843d0> Big: come vedi, ha creato il file nella chiavetta. Puoi scrivere li dentro. Ci sarà qualcos'altro nella manovra che compi che non quadra.\n<Big> beh prendo un file da una finestra e lo trascino nell'altra...\n<Carlin0> Big, la 17.04 è buggatissima\n<f843d0> Big: hai provato anche a fare \"destro -> Copia -> destro -> Incolla\" ?\n<Big> si ho provato\n<f843d0> Big: ci fornisci il nome di un file che vuoi copiare e che sia possibile fare oggetto di esempio?\n<Big> cmq sono sollevato dal fatto che sia la dist buggata e nn sia un mio errore\n<Big> era un video .mkv\n<Mr_Pan> >4 GB?\n<Big> 1.7gb\n<Big> la chiave è da 8\n<f843d0> Big: qualcos'altro?\n<Big> per esempio il file che abbiamo creato per sbaglio foo.bar se trascinato in cartella nn va\n<Big> il file foo.bar che è dentro la chiave invece posso cancellarlo o copiarlo fuori dalla chiave\n<f843d0> Big: e allora probabile che sia qualche strano comportamento della GUI. Benchè, è molto strano\n<Big> provo a fare la stessa cosa con gnome??\n<Carlin0> Big, la chiave è 8 gb ma tieni conto che fat32 non supporta file + grandi di 4 gb\n<Big> il file foo.bar è vuoto eppure nn lo copia\n<Carlin0> si si il problema è un altro\n<Big> provo a riavviare con gnome o un'altra gui??\n<f843d0> Big: puoi provare con un altro DE, o in live. A me pare strano che venga rilasciata una versione che puntualmente ha problemi a portare a termine operazioni di copia su supporti esterni, comunque.\n<Carlin0> Big, ls | pastebinit\n<f843d0> Big: vedi, per esempio, già il fatto che parli di \"altre GUI\", quanta roba hai installato tutta insieme?\n<Big> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24676968/\n<f843d0> Big: uno dei modi più semplici di provocare disagi, è installare più di un gestore grafico contemporaneamente\n<Big> beh si ho pasticciato un pò in quel verso\n<Carlin0> Big, cp discord-canary.deb /media/ryoma/D8AE-2FFB/\n<Big> ho messo prima gnome e poi canary\n<Carlin0> e poi guarda se l'ha copiato nella chiavetta\n<f843d0> Big: ecco, appunto.\n<Big> si fatto\n<Carlin0> l'ha copiato Big ?\n<Big> si ha copiato\n<Mr_Pan> Big, quei deb tipo canary-discord ... li hai installati ?\n<Big> si\n<Big> discord è un programma di chat audio tipo teamspeack\n<Mr_Pan> Big, canary-discord e' una versione testing...\n<Mr_Pan> Big, oltre a non essere un DE ufficialmente supportato..\n<Mr_Pan> Big, ok in testing pero ..\n<Big> però è un programma che fa tutt'altro è una chat perchè influisce sulla usb\n<f843d0> Big: a farla breve, sono convinto che se lanci una sessione live, la GUI funziona, copi, incolli, eccetera\n<Carlin0> Big, in + la 17.04 è già piena di bug di per se\n<f843d0> Big: nessuno ha influito sulla USB. Qualcosa ha strapazzato il file manager della GUI che usi\n<f843d0> Big: come hai visto, da terminale funziona tutto senza problemi\n<Big> per me è che ho installato sia gnome che canary\n<f843d0> 11:41:50< f843d0> Big: ecco, appunto.\n<f843d0> Big: inoltre, installare programmi non da repo ufficiali, ci si prende poi il rischio delle conseguenze\n<Mr_Pan> Big, prova con una live e se funziona correttamente ti suggerisco una reinstallazione da zero senza pasticciare\n<f843d0> Big: non dovresti _mai_ installare roba al di fuori del repo ufficiale della distro\n<Big> si però vorrei rimettere canary\n<f843d0> (a meno che non sai esattamente quello che stai facendo)\n<Big> che è la gui più semplice chiara e funzionale\n<f843d0> Big: esiste una distro che adotta canary come GUI? Vai con quella. Non con altre, cercando di portarci dentro l'altra roba. Oppure, fallo, ma poi queste sono le conseguenze\n<Carlin0> Big, cma per copiare il film â cp Ghost.In.The.Shell.2017.iTALiAN.MD.WEBRip.R3.XviD-GENiSYS.avi /media/ryoma/D8AE-2FFB/\n<Big> l'unica è mint ma ha dei problemi con un gioco che uso\n<Carlin0> lol\n<Big> il gioco è supportato su linux\n<Big> è albion online\n<Carlin0> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Big> si stavo già copiando il film tramite terminale\n<Big> non credevo di essere andato ot scusate\n<Carlin0> Big, il mio consiglio è : metti la 16.04 che ha 5 anni di supporto e non pasticciarla\n<Big> si credo che seguirò il tuo consiglio grazie di tutto\n<Big> ops cmq sbagliavo la gui che uso è cinnamon\n<Big> beh alla prossima grazie ancora\n<Mau> Salve ho un problema con la cessione anche da ripristino mi dice che directory non esistere\n<Carlin0> con cosa ?\n<Carlin0> Mau, cosa sarebbe la \"cessione\" ?\n<Mau> Conessione\n<Carlin0> Mau, che ubuntu è ?\n<Mau> 16.04 lts\n<Carlin0> Mau, ma da ethernet o wifi ?\n<Mau> Ethernet\n<Carlin0> Mau, l'ha sempre fatto o è solo da poco ?\n<Mau> Fatto dopo aggiornamento e ho provato da menù di ripristino ad abilitare la rete e mi dà un messaggio che ti mando\n<Carlin0> Mau, fammi vedere la risposta a ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/\n<Mau> Grepp etc resolv .conf file o directory non esistente\n<Mau> Come facci a farti vedere la risposta.?\n<Mau> Con menù ripristino non riesco\n<Carlin0> Mau, o fai una foto o crei un file txt da incollare nel pastebin\n<Carlin0> Mau, e tu entra da sessione normale\n<Carlin0> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Carlin0> Mau, esce tanta roba in risposta a quel comando ?\n<Mau> Mi spieghi cosa devo fare non ci capisco molto devo dare il comando da terminale. .\n<Carlin0> Mau, esce tanta roba in risposta a quel comando ?\n<Mau> Da Terminale?\n<Carlin0> Mau, si\n<raffaele80it> Salve, avrei bisogno di aiuto per un problema audio che ho con xubuntu ed una Vaio\n<Carlin0> vabbè Mau torna quando ti va di collaborare\n<Mau> Cosa devo digitare\n<Mau> Scusa della mia ignoranza\n<Carlin0> 15:24:55<Carlin0> Mau, fammi vedere la risposta a ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/\n<raffaele80it> si tratta di un notebook Sony Vaio VGN FS515B su cui precedentemente vi era XP\n<Mau> File o directory non esistente\n<Carlin0> Mau, puoi farmi vedere una foto ?\n<Mau> Forse non eseguo correttamente.\n<raffaele80it> Si sentono dei fastidiosi colpi alle casse durante l'avvio (durata 30-40 secondi). L'audio non funziona. Ho provato a sistemare da alsamixer e sono riuscito a far funzionare l'audio senza problema. Ma appena riavvio il notebook ricominciano i problemi\n<doomed> salve ho un problema di aggiornamenti su gnome 16.04 https://paste.ubuntu.com/24679479/\n<Carlin0> doomed, ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/\n<doomed> Carlin0 https://paste.ubuntu.com/24679515/\n<Carlin0> doomed, sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/xenial*\n<Carlin0> e poi sudo apt update\n<doomed> poi?\n<Carlin0> da errori ?\n<doomed> Carlin0 Ho provato a riaggiornare i pacchetti ma mi escono una marea di errori\n<Carlin0> metti in paste\n<doomed> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24679570/\n<Carlin0> doomed, sudo apt -f install\n<doomed> Carlin0 con quel comando tutto bene, ti posto un paste di un aggiornamento dei pacchetti per sapere se e tutto ok\n<doomed> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24679603/\n<Carlin0> doomed, dai ancora sudo apt upgrade\n<Carlin0> per sicurezza\n<doomed> Carlin0 nessun problema\n<David77> Buon pomeriggio a tutti! mi è successa una cosa preoccupante al mio lubuntu 16.04: ho provato ad aprire una gif animata con il programma definito GPicView 0.2.5 e il pc ha cominciato ad macinare sul disco e poi si è bloccato. non funzionavano neanche le console ne il num lock o caps lock. dopo 10 minuti ho dovuto spengerlo forzatamente e all'avvio il sistema ha dovuto correggere degli inode. non penso sia una cosa normale. vorrei sapere se possibile qua\n<Carlin0> ok ...bene così doomed\n<doomed> Carlin0 grazie dell'aiuto buonagiornata\n<Carlin0> David77, non si è letto tutto\n<David77> buon pomeriggio Carlin0, non si è letto il mio messaggio?\n<Carlin0> finisce con ... vorrei sapere se possibile qua\n<Carlin0> possibile cosa ?\n<David77> Carlin0, ripeto il messaggio copiato dalla chat: Buon pomeriggio a tutti! mi è successa una cosa preoccupante al mio lubuntu 16.04: ho provato ad aprire una gif animata con il programma definito GPicView 0.2.5 e il pc ha cominciato ad macinare sul disco e poi si è bloccato. non funzionavano neanche le console ne il num lock o caps lock. dopo 10 minuti ho dovuto spengerlo forzatamente e all'avvio il sistema ha dovuto correggere degli inode. non penso sia\n<Carlin0> ecco si è letto un pezzo ancora in meno\n<Carlin0> copia solo la fine\n<David77> Carlin0, forse è stata ridotta la cache di caratteri. io vedo i miei messaggi. ripeto solo la fine, grazie Carlin0\n<David77> vorrei sapere se possibile quale potrebbe essere il problema e come posso prevenire un'altra volta il problema. è la prima volta che mi succede con i vari *ubuntu negli anni che l'ho utilizzato con soddisfazione. grazie.\n<Carlin0> David77, di che pc parliamo ? che cpu ha ? quanta ram ?\n<Carlin0> cmq David77 invece di spegnere potevi killare il processo\n<David77> portatile con 4GB di ram, Genuine Intel(R) CPU 575 @ 2.00GHz 64bit\n<David77> Carlin0 le console non funzionavano e neanche il mouse :(\n<Carlin0> non riesco a trovarla sta cpu e non la conosco ...cmq\n<David77> e tastiera visto che NumLock e CapsLock non funzionavano neanche\n<Carlin0> purtroppo ad ogni rilascio diventa + pesante anche ubuntu e derivate varie\n<Carlin0> David77, o magari era quella gif a contenere qualcosa\n<Carlin0> mai sentite cose simili\n<David77> Carlin0, immaginavo che la 16.04 è diventata un po' più pesante. la gif l'ho creata io con ffmpeg da un piccolo video della recita della scuola fatta dal mio tablet\n<Carlin0> eh David77 magari era troppo pesante ... non saprei\n<David77> Carlin0 ovviamente adesso l'ho cancellata. le gif animate create con ffmpeg di solito sono molto grosse per via della codifica, ma saranno stati una trentina di MiB. cosa mi consigli Carlin0?\n<Carlin0> non sono pratico dell'argomento ...\n<David77> Carlin0 ti ringrazio comunque dell'interessamento. considera che con irfanview, tramite win, ho aperto una gif animata sempre fatta nello stesso modo da 110MiB... non pensavo che il visualizzatore di immagini di lubuntu mi faccesse questo\n<David77> Carlin0 in attesa magari che qualcuno mi sappia aiutare volevo sapere se la correzione degli inode mi ha comportato la perdita di file e se quando le console non funzionano e neanche tastiera e mouse (spero mai più) cosa potrei fare. grazie\n<David77> irfanview tramite wine non win scusate l'errore :(\n<f843d0> David77: hai provato almeno due volte ad aprire il file?\n<David77> f843d0: grazie della risposta. no ho solo aperto una volta il file e poi si è tutto bloccato :( poi, per precauzione una volta riavviato e che il sistema ha corretto gli inode l'ho cancellato. intanto il video mio ce l'ho e in caso posso sempre ricreare il gif, che ovviamente non aprirei con il visualizzatore d'immagini di default GPicView 0.2.5 per evitare un'altro blocco. idee?\n<f843d0> David77: beh, intanto controllerei che sia riproducibile. Un blocco di sistema in fase di lettura non dovrebbe ammazzare nessuno\n<f843d0> David77: in seconda battuta, proverei un altro visualizzatore\n<David77> f843d0: quindi veiricare prima con, per esempio, irfanview tramite wine? che mi consigli come visualizzatore rapido per le gif animate che metterei come predefinto? gthumb?\n<David77> *verificare\n<David77> f843d0: la cosa che mi preme e solo che lubuntu 16.04 non mi si blocchi più. per gli inode e cosa fare in caso di blocco console, tastiera e mouse?\n<Mr_Pan> David77, lascia perdere roba sw attraverso wine non e' questa la filosofia\n<David77> Mr_Pan grazie della risposta. concordo. infatti cercavo un pacchetto nativo ubuntu che facesse +/ lo stesso di irfanview velocemente. tuoi consigli? gthumb l'ho installato dopo ma non ho trovato una guida completa. gimp è un po' pesantuccio per semplicemente tagliare un pezzo di immagine in un'altra. comunque mi interessa come supporto solamente che non mi vada in blocco il sistema :) grazie\n<David77> visto quello che mi ha detto il buon Carlin0 quanti sono al massimo i caratteri che si possono mettere in un singolo messaggio quì?\n<th34lch3m1st> ciao. è possibile che la 16.04.1 installata 6 mesi fa e aggiornata manualmente installando l'hwe stack sul mio notebook abbia versioni più recenti dei programmi rispetto alla 16.04.2 installata sul desktop 1 mese fa?\n<David77> il repository è lo stesso. esempio?\n<th34lch3m1st> David77 si\n<th34lch3m1st> repo ubuntu (inkscape)\n<th34lch3m1st> ora ricontrollo...\n<th34lch3m1st> no è diverso, shame on me\n<th34lch3m1st> eeh la vecchiaia.....\n<David77> th34lch3m1st: quindi è lo stesso. https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/inkscape\n<th34lch3m1st> David77 no sul notebook ho il ppa di launchpad mentre sul desktop no. non mi ricordavo di averlo installato sul notebook dal ppa...che testa che ho...\n<David77> ok\n<th34lch3m1st> David77 grazie per lo spunto\n<David77> figurati. buona serata\n<th34lch3m1st> anche a te/voi... ciao\n<chicco> salve\n<chicco> dopo aver scaricato file ubuntu\n<chicco> e salvato su hard disk esterno\n<chicco> cosa devo fare per istallarlo?\n<David77> chicco: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione\n<franz16xx> ciao\n<raffaele80it> Ciao\n<raffaele80it> potrei avere cortesemente un aiuto per risolvere un problema audio con xubuntu sul mio notebook vaio?\n<David77> !domanda\n<ubot-it> per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)\n<raffaele80it> scusami prima volta che scrivo qui\n<raffaele80it> sul mio notebook vaio (su cui prima c'era XP) ho installato Xubuntu ma durante l'avvio sento dei rumori agli altoparlanti della durata di 30 secondi circa. L'audio è inutilizzabile. Utilizzando l'adio (ad es. Youtube) i rumori alle casse (tipo popcorn) diventano continui e fastidiosi finchè l'audio non sparisce del tutto (come se andasse in autopro\n<raffaele80it> tezione). Ho provato a sistemare da alsamixer e settando le MM a 00 l'audio inizia a funzionare ma al successivo riavvio le impostazioni non vengono mantenute ed inizia di nuovo il gracchio fino a che l'audio non scompare di nuovo del tutto. Ciò mi costringe a ripetere la procedura con alsamixer\n<carletto> non riesco a loggarmi a chiedi ubuntu...\n<carletto> Firefox non può stabilire una connessione con il server localhost:8123.\n<carletto> questo mi dice firefox...\n<David77> raffaele80it: che versione di xubuntu?\n<raffaele80it> dovrebbe essere la 17. COme faccio a controllare per essere più sicuro?\n<David77> carletto: http://chiedi.ubuntu-it.org/account/signin/ ?\n<David77> raffaele80it: da terminale cat /etc/lsb-release\n<raffaele80it> https://thepasteb.in/p/Elh1XpzPGm2fm\n<raffaele80it> si, 17.04\n<raffaele80it> sul mio notebook vaio (su cui prima c'era XP) ho installato Xubuntu ma durante l'avvio sento dei rumori agli altoparlanti della durata di 30 secondi circa. L'audio è inutilizzabile. Utilizzando l'adio (ad es. Youtube) i rumori alle casse (tipo popcorn) diventano continui e fastidiosi finchè l'audio non sparisce del tutto (come se andasse in autopro\n<raffaele80it> tezione). Ho provato a sistemare da alsamixer e settando le MM a 00 l'audio inizia a funzionare ma al successivo riavvio le impostazioni non vengono mantenute ed inizia di nuovo il gracchio fino a che l'audio non scompare di nuovo del tutto. Ciò mi costringe a ripetere la procedura con alsamixer\n<raffaele80> sul mio notebook vaio (VFGN FS515B) su cui ho installato Xubuntu 17.04 (prima c'era XP ) durante l'avvio sento dei rumori agli altoparlanti (il crepitio tipico dei pop corn) della durata di 30 secondi circa.\n<raffaele80> L'audio non funziona.\n<raffaele80> Ho provato a sistemare con alsamixer settando le MM a 00 e l'audio inizia a funzionare.\n<raffaele80> Al successivo riavvio le impostazioni però non vengono mantenute ed inizia di nuovo il problema del crepitio\n<micio> salve! ho un problema con un upgrade a ubuntu 16.04 LTS forse dovuto alla vecchia scheda video VIA CHROME 9\n<Mr_Pan> micio, una descrizione dettaglita del problema sarebbe gradita\n<Mr_Pan> micio, updagrade da quale versione ? non e' mi una buona idea ... meglio installazione fresca con una LTS poi ..\n<micio> eccomi! ho fatto upgrade da 14.04 LTS a 16.04 su un vecchio notebook Amilo\n<micio> dopo lo splash lo schermo diventa nero\n<Carlin0> micio, gli avanzamenti di versione non sempre vanno a buon fine\n<micio> a sapelo prima\n<micio> saperlo prima ...\n<Mr_Pan> micioall avvio al menu di grub premi \"e\" prova ad aggiungere nella riga vmlinux... nomodeset\n<micio> per entrare in questa chat sto usando proprio lo stesso notebook ma con lubuntu 12.04 live CD. Mi tocca uscire dalla chat per provare ed intanto rientro con un altro dispositivo cos= vediamo sesi puo risolvere.\n<micio> mi sostituisce micio2\n<micio2> Sono nel setparams 'Ubuntu' , mi date qualche dritta ?\n<Carlin0> micio2, secondo me fai prima a salvare dati da live e reinstallare , e fai anche un lavoro più pulito\n<micio2> Carlin0, sono certo che l'upgrade é andato a buon fine. Il problema è sulla scheda video che ha memoria condivisa\n<Carlin0> beh se è andato a buon fine non hai problemi\n<raffaele80ii> nessuno sa iutarmi?\n<Mr_Pan> micio2, ma che problemi ti da ? ?\n<Mr_Pan> raffaele80ii, ??!?!?!\n<micio2> Diciamo che funziona ma non si vede ð\n<micio2> in recovery mode mi dice anche welcome to Ubuntu 16.04 lts\n<Mr_Pan> ok\n<micio2> E compare anche il recovery menu\n<micio2> Provo l'opzione failsafeX\n<Mr_Pan> raffy, perche continui a cambiare nick ?\n<Mr_Pan> vabbe...\n<micio2> Compare il messaggio \"the system is running in low graphics mode ... You will need to configure these yourself\n<Mr_Pan> micio2, la scheda via chrome9 fin dalla vesione 8.4 viene supportata in modo automatico ...\n<Mr_Pan> purtroppo non sappiamo se l avanzamento da 14.04 a 16.04 lts abbia provocato malfunzionamenti ..\n<Mr_Pan> micio2, inoltre sarebbe da controllare se hai dei PPA installati ...\n<Mr_Pan> micio2, per me il suggerimento e' installazione pulita da zero\n<Carlin0> male che vada i vesa dovrebbero supportarla , ma l'avanzamento è sempre un salto nel buio\n<Mr_Pan> micio2, calcola che il supporto alle schede via Chrome9 non e' dei migliori .\n<micio2> Quella è l'ultima spiaggia ð\n<Carlin0> e poi visto la scheda video non oso immaginare la cpu e forse ubuntu è troppo\n<micio2> Lubuntu 16.04\n<micio2> Infatti\n<Carlin0> ah lubuntu sopra hai scritto ubuntu\n<micio2> CPU dual core 2gb RAM\n<Mr_Pan> micio2, sopra hai scritto ubuntu\n<micio2> Perché con la 14.04 avevo sia Ubuntu che Lubuntu che Lubuntuma l'upgrade l'ho fatto da Lubuntu\n<Mr_Pan> micio2, tutto in una unica installazione ?\n<Mr_Pan> micio2, brutta idea mischiare piu DE ...\n<micio2> Funzionava, facevo il logout e passavo da un ambiente grafico all'altro\n<Mr_Pan> micio2, certo qnche una macchna senza freni funziona...\n<Carlin0> micio2, ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d risponde qualcosa ?\n<micio2> Eppure il recovery menu compare\n<micio2> Sono nella bash, qualche suggerimento di driver da scaricare ?\n<Carlin0> ti ho chiesto una cosa micio2\n<micio2> Scusa, ora vedo\n<micio2> 23 righe di risposta\n<Mr_Pan> !paste\n<ubot-it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina\n<Carlin0> ecco micio2 quello è ciò che ti ha imputtanato l'avanzamento di versione perchè sono tutte sorgenti software non ufficiali che tu hai aggiunto\n<Mr_Pan> micio2, incolla su paste e metti qui il link\n<micio2> Come faccio ? Sono in chat col tablet\n<Mr_Pan> micio2, non importa...\n<Mr_Pan> micio2, come detto da Carlin0 i problemi provengono tutti da quelle 23 righe\n<Mr_Pan> !ripristino\n<ubot-it> Per ripristinare un sistema danneggiato, avviate il CD alternate e selezionate \"Rescue a broken system\"\n<Mr_Pan> no link vecchio\n<Mr_Pan> micio2, fai prima a reinstallare ma elimina quei ppa ...\n<Mr_Pan> !ppapurge\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'ppapurge'\n<Carlin0> salva i dati e reinstalla da zero\n<Carlin0> that's it\n<Carlin0> bonanotte\n<micio2> Provero con la alternate . Notte.\n<micio2> Grazie\n#ubuntu-it 2017-05-28\n<pogues> qualcuno è in ascolto?\n<pogues> amici?\n<jk^> ciao a tutti\n<jk^> ma mi ha detto un tipo, non di questo canale, che il fake pae si può fare anche su altre derivate/versioni di ubuntu non solo su lubuntu come spiega la guida. E' corretto?\n<Carlin0> jk^, di che derivate parli ?\n<Saverio> Buona domenica a tutti\n<Saverio> Ho da poco installato ubuntu 16.04...vorrei metterci i driver della mia geforce 7200/7300...li ho anche scaricati e installati da terminale, ma la risposta è questa:\n<Saverio> ERROR: You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before\n<Saverio> installing.\n<Saverio> come si chiude questo x...grazie\n<f843d0> Saverio: i driver si possono installare da repo\n<f843d0> Saverio: nel tuo caso, direi, se tutto va bene, i legacy\n<Saverio> gia provato...torna sempre sulla stessa posizione...\n<f843d0> Saverio: sudo apt-get install pastebinit\n<Saverio> Impossibile impostare il blocco /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Risorsa temporaneamente non disponibile)\n<Saverio> ah forse perchè sto aggiornano..aspe\n<f843d0> Saverio: eh... aspetta la fine dell'aggiornamento\n<Saverio> fatto\n<f843d0> Saverio: riavvia\n<Saverio> il pc? o la sessione...\n<f843d0> Saverio: il PC\n<Saverio> ok a dopo\n<stevr1it> salve ubuntu 17.04 non mi riconosce il wireless, mentre nel precedente sistema tutto funzionava bene. potete aiutarmi?\n<f843d0> stevr1it: collega la postazione tramite Ethernet ed entra in chat da li.\n<stevr1it> son cellgato da etenret\n<stevr1it> colelgato da ethernet\n<f843d0> stevr1it: sudo apt-get install -y pastebinit\n<stevr1it> ok\n<stevr1it> già instalalto\n<f843d0> stevr1it: sudo lshw | pastebinit\n<f843d0> stevr1it: incolla in canale il link restituito dal comando\n<stevr1it> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24689700/\n<f843d0> !bcm | stevr1it\n<ubot-it> stevr1it: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviSenzaFili/Broadcom\n<stevr1it> bash: !bcm: event not found\n<f843d0> stevr1it: ehm, devi seguire la guida che è comparsa in canale in seguito a quel comando. Non è un comando bash\n<stevr1it> ok\n<stevr1it> a dopo , grazie\n<Raffaele80it> sul mio notebook vaio (VFGN FS515B) su cui ho installato Xubuntu 17.04 (prima c'era XP ) durante l'avvio sento dei rumori agli altoparlanti (il crepitio tipico dei pop corn) della durata di 30 secondi circa.\n<Raffaele80it> L'audio non funziona.\n<Raffaele80it> Ho provato a sistemare con alsamixer settando le MM a 00 e l'audio inizia a funzionare.\n<Raffaele80it> Al successivo riavvio le impostazioni però non vengono mantenute ed inizia di nuovo il problema del crepitio\n<f843d0> Raffaele80it: l'ha sempre fatto?\n<Raffaele80it> Quando c'era xp non lo faceva\n<f843d0> Raffaele80it: no, intendo dire, il problema è emerso sin dal primo avvio di Ubuntu?\n<Raffaele80it> Si, il problema si è presentato da quando ho iniziato ad utilizzare la versione try da USB. Pensavo che con l'installazione del S.O. sull'hard disk poteva risolversi (magari con qualche aggiornamento) ma purtroppo non è stato così\n<f843d0> Raffaele80it: adesso hai configurato alsamixer in modo da fornire audio normalmente?\n<Raffaele80it> Si ma al riavvio del pc il problema si ripresenta\n<f843d0> Raffaele80it: digita sudo alsactl store\n<Raffaele80it> Provo\n<Saverio> Di nuovo\n<Saverio> riavviato il pc....\n<Raffaele80it> F843d0: è sparita l'icona volume attraverso cui entravo nelle impostazioni avanzate e abbassavo il volume di chromium.\n<f843d0> Raffaele80it: ma le impostazioni adesso vengono mantenute?\n<Raffaele80it> Abbassandonil volume di chromium riuscivo a far sparire il fastidioso crepitio e poi da alsamixer sistemavo tutto. Sapresti dirmi come farla riapparire\n<f843d0> Raffaele80it: \"abbassare il volume di Chromium\"... direi lo si può fare da pavucontrol. Lancialo, cerca l'applicazione Chromium in Playback di Pulseaudio, e abbassa il volume\n<Raffaele80it> Provo, grazie\n<Raffaele80it> Non la trovo\n<f843d0> !chi | Raffaele80it\n<ubot-it> Raffaele80it: se stai parlando con qualcuno in particolare, per rendere più leggibile il canale ti consiglio di inserire il suo nickname in quello che dici (puoi usare il completamento premendo il tasto tab)\n<f843d0> |dettagli | Raffaele80it\n<f843d0> !dettagli | Raffaele80it\n<ubot-it> Raffaele80it: Per favore dacci dettagli completi. Per esempio \"Ho un problema con..., sto usando Ubuntu versione... con interfaccia.... Quando provo a fare..., ottengo questo output: ..., ma mi sarei aspettato che facesse...\"\n<raffaele80i> Eccomi, sono Raffaele80it. Sono entrato con il pc (primo ero con lo smartphone)\n<raffaele80it> f843d0: ci sei?\n<f843d0> !dettagli | raffaele80it\n<ubot-it> raffaele80it: Per favore dacci dettagli completi. Per esempio \"Ho un problema con..., sto usando Ubuntu versione... con interfaccia.... Quando provo a fare..., ottengo questo output: ..., ma mi sarei aspettato che facesse...\"\n<jk^> Carlin0, ho letto la guida del fakepae parla solo di lubuntu per quello che c'ho capito ma un tipo (non di questo canale) mi disse che si può fare quel fakepae su qualsiasi tipo di ubuntu, tutti non me li ricordo, ma per fare esempi pratici parlo di ubuntu (principale), kubuntu, xubuntu, e via dicendo\n<raffaele80it> sul mio notebook vaio (VFGN FS515B) su cui ho installato Xubuntu 17.04 (prima c'era XP ) durante l'avvio sento dei rumori agli altoparlanti (il crepitio tipico dei pop corn) della durata di 30 secondi circa.\n<raffaele80it> L'audio non funziona.\n<raffaele80it> Ho provato a sistemare con alsamixer settando le MM a 00 e l'audio inizia a funzionare.\n<jk^> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/FakePAE\n<jk^> Carlin0, questo è il link\n<raffaele80i> sul mio notebook vaio (VFGN FS515B) su cui ho installato Xubuntu 17.04 (prima c'era XP ) durante l'avvio sento dei rumori agli altoparlanti (il crepitio tipico dei pop corn) della durata di 30 secondi circa.\n<raffaele80i> L'audio non funziona.\n<raffaele80i> Ho provato a sistemare con alsamixer settando le MM a 00 e l'audio inizia a funzionare.\n<raffaele80i> Al successivo riavvio le impostazioni però non vengono mantenute ed inizia di nuovo il problema del crepitio\n<f843d0> !ripeti | raffaele80i\n<ubot-it> raffaele80i: non ripetere la tua domanda spesso, ogni N minuti. Non aumenterà le probabilità di ottenere una risposta ma provocherà solamente una reazione stizzita da parte degli altri utenti del canale. Se nessuno ti risponde riprova più tardi o utilizza le altre forme di supporto messe a dispozione dalla comunità .\n<f843d0> raffaele80i: procurati una connessione stabile, perchè così sei solo un fastidioso disturbo al canale\n<AriesDark89> Salve... ho un problema nel reinstallando ubuntu... ho seguito questa guida http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/RipristinoInstallazione ma nella schermata iniziale non mi da reinstalla ubuntu.... mi da solo prova ubuntu o installa ubuntu... che devo fare?\n<Carlin0> AriesDark89, scegli installa e quando arrivi al partizionamento gli assegni manualmente la medesima partizione\n<Carlin0> aveva fretta\n<Carlin0> AriesDark89, scegli installa e quando arrivi al partizionamento gli assegni manualmente la medesima partizione\n<AriesDark89> Anche se io devo solo reinstallare ubuntu?\n<Carlin0> solo ... è una installazione nuova\n<AriesDark89> Però sulla guida c'era scritto che i file non venivano cancellato\n<f843d0> AriesDark89: a prescindere da guide e speranze, non vedo perchè non avere un backup dei dati importanti\n<Carlin0> AriesDark89, quello sta a te se scegliere di formattare o no la partizione\n<f843d0> AriesDark89: voglio dire, si può anche rompere l'hard disk tra 20s per quello che ne sappiamo\n<Carlin0> per il resto se non sovrascrive non ti risolve il problema\n<Carlin0> un backup come consigliato da f843d0 non fa mai male\n<AriesDark89> io volevo ripristinare tutto il sistema operativo perche mi stava dando problemi..: cosi ho preso quella guida che mi ha ridetto di fare la liveusb e alla schermata iniziale di scegliere reinstalla ubuntu\n<AriesDark89> sisi okok avete ragione...\n<AriesDark89> adesso sono al tipo di installazione... elimina cancella o altro.... per non perdere i file dovrei mettere altro giusto?\n<Carlin0> si altro\n<Carlin0> poi gli riassegni la stessa partizione ma senza formattarla\n<Carlin0> anche se mi sa un po di lavoro del cactus\n<AriesDark89> Dici perché ci metterà tanto?\n<Carlin0> no dico perchè : non formattando non è mai una installazione \"pulita\"\n<AriesDark89> ah capito...\n<AriesDark89> ma adesso mi dice che non è stato definito alcun file Systems di root anche se ho selezionato ubuntu 16.04.02 e sotto la key\n<Carlin0> te l'ho detto ...\n<Carlin0> 14:31:07<Carlin0> poi gli riassegni la stessa partizione ma senza formattarla\n<AriesDark89> penso che torno indietro e faccio elimina\n<Carlin0> se ci dai retta salvi i dati e rasi tutto a zero\n<AriesDark89> ok... dimmi tutto\n<Carlin0> AriesDark89, hai dei dati da salvare ?\n<AriesDark89> si\n<Carlin0> mentre sei da live fai copia incolla su disco esterno o altro\n<Carlin0> e te li salvi\n<AriesDark89> Scusa non ho capito\n<Carlin0> rileggi\n<AriesDark89> Cioe alla schermata tipo di installazione posso accedere a ubuntu e salvare i dati\n<raffaele80it> sul mio notebook vaio (VFGN FS515B) su cui ho installato Xubuntu 17.04 (prima c'era XP ) durante l'avvio sento dei rumori agli altoparlanti (il crepitio tipico dei pop corn) della durata di 30 secondi circa.\n<raffaele80it> L'audio non funziona.\n<raffaele80it> Ho provato a sistemare con alsamixer settando le MM a 00 e l'audio inizia a funzionare.\n<raffaele80it> Al successivo riavvio le impostazioni però non vengono mantenute ed inizia di nuovo il problema del crepitio\n<Carlin0> AriesDark89, riavvia l'installazione e scegli : prova senza installare e da li salvi i dati\n<AriesDark89> okok\n<AriesDark89> e poi faccio elimina giusto?\n<Carlin0> dopo che hai salvato i dati elimini la partizione\n<Carlin0> ma sei tranquillo almeno\n<AriesDark89> grazie mille\n<f843d0> AriesDark89: il salvataggio dei dati da live è semplicissimo se non hai attivato la criptazione delle partizioni\n<Carlin0> copia / incolla\n<AriesDark89> nono non l'ho attivata\n<raffaele80it> f843d0: ho fatto il ripristino. Adesso la connessione dovrebbe andare meglio. Purtroppo il crepitio destabilizzava anche il funzionamento del wifi\n<f843d0> raffaele80it: come già detto in mattinata, puoi usare sudo alsactl store per forzare il salvataggio delle impostazioni di ALSA\n<raffaele80it> f843d0: lh0 fatto. Le impostazioni vengono mantenute ma il crepitio c'è sempre\n<raffaele80it> f843d0: e poi non trovo più come abbassare il volume di chromium http://i.imgur.com/f3Cmtkh.png\n<f843d0> raffaele80it: scheda riproduzione. Serve Chromium avviato, e in riproduzione di qualcosa\n<f843d0> raffaele80it: sudo apt-get install -y pastebinit\n<AriesDark89> Mi ha detto che l'installazione di grup install/dev/sdb non è riuscita. Questo è un errore fatale...\n<AriesDark89> posso continuare senza bootloader?\n<f843d0> AriesDark89: prima ti ha anche chiesto dove installare il bootloader\n<f843d0> AriesDark89: a giudicare dal nome del device, hai provato a installare GRUB sul supporto di installazione, invece che l'hard disk interno\n<AriesDark89> posso annullare l'installazione e ricominciare da capo?\n<AriesDark89> o basta che uso un'altra pc per riscrivere l'immagine dentro la stessa chiavetta?\n<f843d0> AriesDark89: ricomincia l'installazione\n<raffaele80it> f843d0: ho avviato youtube ma non appare: http://i.imgur.com/2qFvQjH.png\n<f843d0> 14:52:01< f843d0> raffaele80it: sudo apt-get install -y pastebinit\n<AriesDark89> non mi permette di fare nulla\n<AriesDark89> se clicco su continua senza bootloader mi dice che necessita di bootloader che avviarsi\n<AriesDark89> e se clicco su annullare installazione mi dice che il pc potrebbe andare in uno stato non avviabile\n<AriesDark89> kmq\n<AriesDark89> tutte e 2 mi danno l'ok grigio... o meglio qualsiasi opzione vado a fare non mi fa selezionare ok.... l'on e selezionabili solo se scelgo un altro sda.... che posso fare?\n<AriesDark89> se spengo il pc mantenendo il tasto in acceso che succede?\n<raffaele80it> f843d0: fatto: http://i.imgur.com/c3qBe9l.png\n<AriesDark89> che faccio... provo a forzare lo spegnimento del pc?\n<f843d0> AriesDark89: riavvia la macchina, senza problemi, cerca di far ripartire il supporto di installazione\n<AriesDark89> con la stessa key?\n<f843d0> AriesDark89: si\n<AriesDark89> Normale che alla\n<AriesDark89> schermata di avvio.... dopo 13 minuti... ancora è in avvio????\n<Carlin0> AriesDark89, una domanda : come l'hai preparata la chiavetta usb ?\n<AriesDark89> su ubuntu\n<AriesDark89> col programma dedicato\n<AriesDark89> perche?\n<Carlin0> con cosa ?\n<AriesDark89> asp\n<AriesDark89> Creatore fischi di avvio\n<AriesDark89> e proprio il nome del\n<AriesDark89> progtamma di ubuntu\n<Carlin0> dovrebbe andare ... hai controllato il md5sum della iso ?\n<AriesDark89> scusa ma non so cosa sia\n<Carlin0> !md5\n<AriesDark89> kmq vada adesso mi è ripartita l'installazione\n<AriesDark89> e sto riformattando la key sul mac\n<AriesDark89> con onebit\n<ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Md5Sum\n<Carlin0> AriesDark89, ma che pc è ? che cpu ? quanta ram ? che scheda video ?\n<AriesDark89> Ah ok non neanche ci fosse questa possibilita\n<porpora> Ubuntu 17.04 non scarica più gli aggiornamenti e qualsiasi altro programma\n<f843d0> porpora: e in seguito a cosa?\n<f843d0> Se spegni il router, succede\n<porpora> non saprei\n<fasli> buonasera\n<fasli> chi mi aiuta\n<raffaele80it> sul mio notebook vaio (VFGN FS515B) su cui ho installato Xubuntu 17.04 (prima c'era XP ) durante l'avvio sento dei rumori agli altoparlanti (il crepitio tipico dei pop corn) della durata di 30 secondi circa.\n<raffaele80it> L'audio non funziona.\n<raffaele80it> Ho provato a sistemare con alsamixer settando le MM a 00 e l'audio inizia a funzionare.\n<raffaele80it> Al successivo riavvio le impostazioni però non vengono mantenute ed inizia di nuovo il problema del crepitio\n<rosario> hi, is avilable the download link fot ubuntu touch ?\n<AriesDark89> Salve\n<AriesDark89> ho appena reinstallato ubuntu 16.04.02 ma non mi si apre più il boot grub... Avete qualche soluzione?\n<AriesDark89> Se vi può essere utile... nella reistallazione non mi ha aperto la\n<AriesDark89> pagina grub.... ma quella di unetboot con scritto default gru ubuntu without istallino ecc... ovviamente come da procedura ho messo tra e poi ho installato la versione completa dal l'icona del desktop\n<AriesDark89> try*\n<AriesDark89> prima di montare il file ISO ho verificato la correttezza con ms5\n<AriesDark89> aiutatemi please\n<AriesDark89> Qualcuno on?\n#ubuntu-it 2018-05-21\n<chiarabriccola> ciao, il mio pc dopo l'ultimo aggiornamento di windows 10 non funziona più. lo schermo è nero, non carica windows neanche in modalità provvisoria nè è possibile reinstallare windows tramite usb. Ho pensato di provare a farlo ripartire con ubuntu. Ma poi, i programmi funzioneranno?\n<Carlin0> !windows | chiarabriccola\n<ubot-it> chiarabriccola: Per ricevere supporto per windows, rivolgersi al canale ##windows\n<chiarabriccola> volevo capire come funziona ubuntu in questo caso\n<Carlin0> chiarabriccola, hai installato ubuntu ?\n<chiarabriccola> lo sto scaricando\n<Carlin0> !installazione\n<ubot-it> Guida per l'installazione di Ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/InstallareUbuntu\n<Carlin0> !usb\n<ubot-it> Per creare una chiavetta bootabile consultare la pagina wiki https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/CreazioneLiveUsb\n<chiarabriccola> grazie, ma dopo averlo installato cosa succede? i programmi che avevo sul pc ci saranno ancora e funzioneranno? scusate l'ignoranza...\n<Carlin0> chiarabriccola, ubuntu è un sistema operativo indipendente , installarlo non riporterà in vita windows\n<Carlin0> avrai ubuntu e userai i suoi programmi\n<chiarabriccola> quindi per esempio, tutte le mailche avevo su outlook\n<chiarabriccola> non le potrò più vedere\n<Carlin0> quella è roba win outlook non gira su ubuntu\n<chiarabriccola> ok, grazie,\n<Carlin0> di nulla\n<gigirock> chiarabriccola, se con una chiavetta usb riesci a caricare ubuntu senza installare forse puoi accedere ai tuoi vecchi dati\n<Miss_Pannolina> Mr_Pan Mr_Pannolino MA TU NON SARAI MICA COME PASQUALE AMETRANO NEL FILM DI CARLO VERDONE? QUELLO CHE SCENDE DALLA GERMANIA IN ITALIA E VIENE DERUBATO DI QUALUNQUE COSA? AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH SEI COSà ANCHE TU? PASQUALE AMETRANO? GUARDA QUA AHAHAHAHHAHAAHAH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kUcG189m8I PURE TU CON L'ALFA SUD ROSSA COME LUI AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH PASQUALE AMETRAAANOOOOO\n<Miss_Pannolina> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH\n<Miss_Pannolina> Mr_Pan Mr_Pannolino MA TU NON SARAI MICA COME PASQUALE AMETRANO NEL FILM DI CARLO VERDONE? QUELLO CHE SCENDE DALLA GERMANIA IN ITALIA E VIENE DERUBATO DI QUALUNQUE COSA? AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH SEI COSà ANCHE TU? PASQUALE AMETRANO? GUARDA QUA AHAHAHAHHAHAAHAH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kUcG189m8I PURE TU CON L'ALFA SUD ROSSA COME LUI AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH PASQUALE AMETRAAANOOOOO\n<gigirock> chiarabriccola, se il computer non era 'criptato' i tuoi vecchi dati dovrebbero essere leggibili\n<BELOTTA> Mr_Pan GUARDA LA SCENA DI PASQUALE AMETRANO CON L'ALFA SUD ROSSA APPENA ENTRA IN ITALIA CHE SI FA DERUBARE SUBITO DELL'AUTORADIO AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1akGVPXKLc GUARDA IL CARTELLO ALLA FINE \"WILLKOMMEN IN ITALIEN\" AHAHAHAHAHHAHA NON POSSO IMMAGINARE QUANDO ENTRI TU IN ITALIA COME NON TI LASCERANNO ADDOSSO NEANCHE LE MUTANDE Mr_Pannolino AHAHAHAHHAHAHA\n<ForseSonoEritrea> Mr_Pan Mr_Pannolino MA QUANDO MANDI LE EMAIL A DIGITALOCEAN POI COME TI FIRMI ALLA FINE? Mr_Pannolino O PASQUALE AMETRANO?AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA \"RUHE! REISEPASS BITTE! DANKE!\" ... \"AMETRAAANOOO...VA A VOTARE A MATERA? E' DA MOLTO TEMPO CHE MANCA DALL'ITALIA? AMETRAAANO...ARRIFATTI LA FOTO CHE SEI PEGGIORATO\" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH PIU GUARDO 'STA SCENA E PIà MI SEMBRI TU CON QUELL'ALFA SUD COLOR PEPERONE AHAHAHAHHAHAAHAH\n<Mr_Pannolina> Mr_Pan MA HAI ANCORA QUEL CLACSON TUTTO PARTICOLARE NELL'ALFASUD?AHAHAHHAHAHA IL DOGANIERE TEDESCO TI HA PURE RIMPROVERATO CHE FACEVI TROPPO BORDELLO AHAHAHAHAHAH MA TI RENDI CONTO COME TI FAI RICONOSCERE SUBITO CHE SEI ITALIANO?TE NE RENDI CONTO?ANZI COME DICONO,COME DICONO I TEDESCHI? \"itaka\" AHAHAHHAHAHA SEI UN ITAKA ANCHE TU Mr_Pannolino?AHAHHAHAHAHAHAH\n<ASSEMBLATA> CERTO CHE UBUNTU NON SI FA MANCARE NULLA TRA I SUOI ADEPTI,DA QUESTO SI RICONOSCE IL GRAN SUCCESSO DI UN SISTEMA OPERATIVO AHAHAHAHHAAHAH,GUARDATE CHI ABBIAMO QUI,POSSIAMO FARE LE BARZELLETTE: C'ERA UN TEDESCO (Mr_Pan) UN TERRONE (fabio_cc) E UN ITALIANO (Carlin0) AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA SEMBRANO LE BARZELLETTE CHE RACCONTAVAMO ALLE ELEMENTARI AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH\n<Claudio> Ho log di giorni... di poco supporto, ma molto spam da parte di questa persona\n#ubuntu-it 2018-05-22\n<Carlin0Fessakki8> DAI SU MA SERIAMENTE,A PARTE GLI SCHERZI MA NON VI FA RIDERE QUELLA STORIA CHE VI RACCONTAVO IERI POMERIGGIO?QUELLA DEL TEDESCO (Mr_Pan) IL TERRONE (fabio_cc) E L'ITALIANO (Carlin0)?MA NON SEMBRANO DAVVERO MESSI APPOSTA COSà PER FARE LE BARZELLETTE?E INVECE NON à UNA CONGIURA à PROPRIO LA REALTÃ...MA VI RENDETE CONTO COSA CI OFFRE UBUNTU?AHAHAHAHHAHAHA MA C'à DA RIDERE!\n<ajaa> Mr_Pannolino TU PER ESEMPIO NON SARAI MICA UNA SPECIE DI TONY MONTANA IN VERSIONE SPAGHETTARA?QUELLO ERA UN PROFUGO CUBANO A MIAMI E TU SEI INVECE UN PROFUGO ITALIANO IN GERMANIA CHE VUOL FAR CARRIERA NELLA MALAVITA AHAHAHAHAHAH,LO SCARFACE ITALIANO IL NOSTRO Mr_Pan\n<Carlin0Fessakki8> Mr_Pan MA QUANDO DEVI FARE LA GUERRA CONTRO I MALAVITOSI SLAVI,RUSSI,ALBANESI CHE CI STANNO Là COME LI COMBATTI? A COLPI DI MITRA O A COLPI DI PC? AHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH\n<Carlin0NnEsceMai> Carlin0 MA TU IMMAGINI CHE PRIMA DELL'UNITà D'ITALIA NEL 1861 IL PIEMONTE HA FORNITO LUNGIMIRANTI PATRIOTI COME IL CAMILLO BENSO CONTE DI CAVOUR E OGGI INVECE RIFORNISCE IL POPOLO SOLTANTO DI SCHIFOSISSIMI MORTI DI FIGA DISPERATI COME TE CHE NON ESCONO MAI DI CASA E SI FANNO LE SEGHE DAVANTI AL PC FACENDOSI PERENNEMENTE RIFIUTARE DALLE DONNE?TE NE RENDI CONTO Carlin0?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH à MATERIA DI STUDI SOCIOLOGICI TU\n<Carlin0NnEsceMai> Carlin0 TI CONVIENE FARTI OSPITARE DA fabio_cc PER UN PERIODO DI TEMPO E PROVARE SE TROVI Là UNA FIGA,DALLE SUE PARTI....SE SEI INVALIDO PRENDERAI UNA PENSIONE NO?PER I TERRONI à GIà UNA CONQUISTA ANCHE QUELLA AHAHAHAHAKHAH SE SFOGGI TALE RICCHEZZA DAVANTI A LORO AVRAI SICURAMENTE SUCCESSO (E UNA FIGA!),PROVACI Carlin0! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH\n<axaj> MA ALLORA Carlin0 COM'ERA,COM'ERA QUELLA STORIA CHE RACCONTAVI L'ALTRA VOLTA E CHE HO LETTO NEI LOG QUI DEL CANALE?IO STO UNA NOTTE A TROLLARTI E POI IL MALATO SARESTI TU?AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH Carlin0 MA IO ESCO,TU NO Carlin0,C'à DIFFERENZA....TU NON HAI MAI AVUTO UNA VITA AL DI FUORI DI QUESTO CANALE E DEL TUO ASSEMBLATO AHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH Carlin0 TU SEI SOLO E SENZA FIGA,IO UNA FIGA CE L'HO AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH\n<Carlin0xkeNnEsci> CERTO CHE SE CANONICAL SI AFFIDA A VOI PER SUPPORTARE UBUNTU,à COME DARE LE SORTI DEL PAESE IN MANO AL PD AHAHAHAHHAAHAH... Mr_Pan.... Carlin0.... COM'ERA COM'ERA QUELL'ALTRA STORIA INVECE,QUELLA DEL !paga? AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH MA VI PARE CHE CHI CERCA SOFTWARE OPEN SOURCE PAGA VOI? AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA\n<Carlin0xkeNnEsci> TANTO VALE TENERE WINDOWS,ECCO PERCHà NON AVRETE MAI SUCCESSO,ALTRO CHE !paga AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA\n<Carlin0xkeNnEsci> Carlin0 CONTINUA A LASCIARMI ANCORA MESSAGGI QUI NEL CANALE CHE POI ME LI LEGGO NEI LOGS E APPENA HO TEMPO VENGO A RISPONDERTI,DATO CHE IO NON SONO COME TE E OGNI TANTO ESCO DI CASA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH TU SCRIVIMI LO STESSO Carlin0,TI CONCEDO L'ONORE DI RICEVERE ATTENZIONE DA ME TU CHE NON NE HAI AVUTA MAI NELLA VITA AHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHA\n<Carlin0NnEsceMai> Carlin0 E MENTRE CI SEI RISPONDIMI PURE SU QUELLA QUESTIONE CHE TI CHIEDEVO L'ALTRA VOLTA,COME SI RIPRODUCE UN PIEMONTESE CONSIDERATO CHE NON SCOPA MAI?AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH TU SEI IL CLASSICO EMBLEMA AD ESEMPIO DEL PIEMONTESE MORTO DI FIGA,SOTTOMESSO DALLE FIGHE DI LEGNO E COSTRETTO A BERE DALLA LORO FREGNA QUANDO PISCIANO CON LA LONTANA SPERANZA FORSE UN GIORNO DI POTERLE COMPIACERE AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA\n<Carlin0NnEsceMai> Carlin0 MA A TORINO PERCHà CI SONO ESCLUSIVAMENTE FIGHE DI LEGNO CHE NON LA SMOLLANO MAI E DELLE QUALI TU PER ESEMPIO SEI VITTIMA?INVECE DI PENSARE A LINUX PERCHà NON TI PONI QUESTE DOMANDE CERCANDO DI STUDIARE TALI FENOMENI TIPICI DELL'ITALIA,DELLA TORINO DI OGGI?AHAHAHHAHAHAAH Carlin0 SE NON CAMBIA QUESTA MENTALITà Là TU NON SCOPERAI MAI,QUESTO LO SAI VERO?RIMARRAI VERGINE A VITA COSà AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA\n<CarlinA> Carlin0 MA TI RICORDI IL FILM CHE T'AVEVO LINKATO L'ALTRO GIORNO,QUELLO DEL PIEMONTESE CHE ANDAVA CON LA PUTTANA NAPOLETANA AHAHAHAHAHAHAH MI SA CHE ERI TU QUELLO LÃ,IL PIEMONTESE IN CERCA DI ATTENZIONI CHE PAGA UNA DONNA PER FARSI COMPATIRE,NON SO SE ERA PIà INFERIORE LUI NELLA PARTE DI MORTO DI FIGA OPPURE LEI NELLA PARTE DELLA NAPOLETANA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH\n<CarlinA> Carlin0 IN QUEL CASO Là Sà CHE CI STA BENE IL !paga AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA Carlin0 !paga PER AVERE UNA DONNA AHAHAHAHHAHAHA,IL FATTO à CHE SE PURE PAGHI,NON SI SA SE TE LA DIANO UGUALMENTE DATO CHE RAGGIUNGI LIVELLI DI SFIGA TROPPO ELEVATI PER L'ESSERE UMANO E PURE UNA PUTTANA POTREBBE RIFIUTARSI DI CONCEDERSI A TE AHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH\n<CarlinA> Mr_Pannolino DIMMI QUALCOSA ALMENO TU Mr_Pannolino,Carlin0 à TROPPO NOIOSO,TROPPO TRISTE E DEPRESSO COME PERSONA,MI FA ANNOIARE,PER QUESTO NON TROVERà MAI UNA DONNA NELLA VITA AHAHAHAHAHAH Mr_Pannolino RACCONTAMI DELLA GERMANIA,COSA FAI LÃ?CURI GLI INTERESSI DELLA NDRANGHETA PER IL RICICLAGGIO DI DENARO SPORCO?FAI INVESTIMENTI PER LORO?AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA\n<Mr_Pannolina> Mr_Pannolino MA INVECE DI PASSARE LA TUA INTERA VITA A UN PC E RIDURTI COSà COME UN Carlin0 QUALSIASI (ahahahahahahah) PERCHà NON TE NE VAI IN QUALCHE BAR ITALIANO A GIOCARE A CARTE IN MEZZO A TUTTI QUEGLI SFIGATI DI IMM-INGRATI TERRONI CHE CI STANNO Là A FARSI RICONOSCERE CHE SONO ITALIANI?AAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA ABBANDONA QUESTO PC Mr_Pannolino ED ESCI DI CASA ALMENO TU DATO CHE Carlin0 NON CE LA FA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH\n<CarlinA> Carlin0 INVECE DI STARE AL PC FATTI UN GIRO A BARRIERA DI MILANO COSà MENTRE CI SEI VAI A DAR FUOCO A TUTTI I TERRONI CHE INCONTRI PER LA VIA Là AHAHAHAHHAHAH COSà LA SMETTONO DI VENIRE A TORINO PER SCASSARE I COGLIONI A QUESTI PIEMONTESI AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH,VAI A DARGLI FUOCO Carlin0,COSà SE NE TORNANO IN AFRICA\n<CarlinA> NON POSSO PENSARE Carlin0 CHE TU SIA COSà SFIGATO DA NON RIUSCIRE A FAR AMICIZIA CON LA GENTE,TI COMPORTI DA VERO E PROPRIO PIEMONTESE,FALSO E CORTESE AHAHAHAHAHAHAH,SEI PROPRIO LA SFIGA TRASMIGRATA IN PERSONA,CERCHI DI FARE IL BRILLANTE,IL SIMPATICO MA NON RIESCI A LEGARE CON LE PERSONE,TEMI SEMPRE CHE QUALCUNO POSSA METTERTELO AL CULO,SEMBRI QUASI ALBANESE PER LA PAURA RECONDITA CHE TI PORTI DENTRO AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA\n<CarlinA> ORA PER ESEMPIO TI SVEGLI A ORA DI PRANZO Carlin0 E NON FAI UN CAZZO TUTTO IL GIORNO...FAI PROPRIO LA VITA DEL PIEMONTESE AHAHAHAHAHAAH,ALTRO CHE REDDITO DI CITTADINANZA E 5 STELLE,PASSI LA VITA SENZA FARE UN CAZZO LI MORTACCI TUA...SE METTONO IL REDDITO DI CITTADINANZA TI TOCCA USCIRE DI CASA A CERCARTI UN LAVORO,SE NO TI TOLGONO IL SUSSIDIO AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH\n<CarlinA> Carlin0 TI RENDI CONTO CHE STANDO TUTTA LA VITA AL PC COME FAI TU NON POTRAI CONOSCERE MAI UNA FREGNA,NON TI POTRAI MAI SPOSARE E NON POTRAI MAI AVERE DEI FIGLI MA SOPRATTUTTO......NON POTRAI MAI SCOPARE?SVERGINARTI?VUOI MORIRE VERGINELLO Carlin0?GIà CHE VIVI A TORINO E SEI SULLA BUONA STRADA CON TUTTE LE FIGHE DI LEGNO CHE CI SONO,SE NON ESCI DI CASA POI COMPLETI L'OPERA DELLA VERGINITà AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA\n<ColeiCheTrolla> Carlin0 SFRUTTALA QUESTA TERZA MEDIA CHE HAI,FATTI VALERE,TROVATI UN LAVORO ED ESCI DI CASA,NON PUOI FARE LA VITA DEL PAPPONE SENZA NEANCHE CONOSCERE ED AVER MAI VISTO LA MATERIA PRIMA OVVERO LA FIGA AHAHAHAHHAAHAH\n<aTorinoSoloTerun> Carlin0 HAI FATTO COLAZIONE CON CRAUTI E BAGNA CAUDA COME TUTTI I PIEMONTESI OPPURE ANCORA TI DEVI ALZARE DAL LETTO? AHAHAHHAAHAH TRANQUILLO Carlin0,HAI ANCORA TUTTA LA VITA DAVANTI PER POTER INIZIARE A VIVERE...INTENDO LA VITA QUELLA VERA,QUELLA FUORI DAL TUO ASSEMBLATO Carlin0 .... AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH DORMI TRANQUILLO PER ADESSO,POI INIZIERAI A LAVORARE,SCOPARE,AVERE DEGLI AMICI ECC.ECC.\n<LA-BAGNA-CAUDA> Carlin0 TE GUSTANO TUTTI I MIEI STEREOTIPI E LUOGHI COMUNI SUI PIEMONTESI? FOSSERO SOLO CAZZATE SAREBBE NIENTE,IL FATTO à CHE SONO TUTTE COSE REALI E VERITIERE AL 100% AHAHAHHAAH TRANNE FORSE SOLO QUELLO DELLA COLAZIONE CON CRAUTI E BAGNA CAUDA,FORSE SOLTANTO QUELLO HO ESAGERATO MA IL DISCORSO CHE MORITE DI FIGA PERCHà CI SON LE FIGHE DI LEGNO Là à TUTTO VERO AHAHHAHAHAHAAH\n<brunetto> buongiorno\n<[Enrico]> buon giorno brunetto\n<brunetto> ho problemi con usb wifi in ubuntu 18.04, c'è qualcuno che può aiutarmi\n<[Enrico]> !qualcuno | brunetto\n<ubot-it> brunetto: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<vincenzo> buongiorno, non riesco a risolvere un errore su ubuntu e malformed line 6 in source list etc/apt/sources.list(dist parse), non mi si apre nemmeno software center\n<[Enrico]> brunetto: sarebbe utile sapere marca e modello della penna USB. Oltre a questo ci servono gli output dei seguenti comandi presi dal computer in questione con la penna USB attaccata: dmesg, lsusb -v\n<[Enrico]> brunetto: gli output li puoi mettere su un paste\n<[Enrico]> !paste | brunetto\n<ubot-it> brunetto: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale. Incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina. Per maggiori informazioni: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/InternetRete/Navigazione/Pastebin\n<vincenzo> buongiorno, non riesco a risolvere un errore su ubuntu e malformed line 6 in source list etc/apt/sources.list(dist parse), non mi si apre nemmeno software center\n<brunetto> scusa enrico, non capisco \"niente query\"\n<[Enrico]> brunetto: mi hai scritto un messaggio in privato, non farlo, rispondi sempre in canale per favore âº\n<[Enrico]> brunetto: adesso guardo i paste che mi hai mandato, dammi qualche minuto\n<brunetto> grazie, tutto il tempo che vuoi è un mese che sto tribulando\n<[Enrico]> brunetto: prova a fare questo: sudo bash -c 'cat \"blacklist rtl8192cu\" > /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8xxxu.conf'\n<[Enrico]> brunetto: poi riavvia il computer\n<brunetto> poi mi sa che faròfatica a tornare in chat\n<[Enrico]> brunetto: anzi aspetta\n<[Enrico]> brunetto: puoi fare il paste dell'outpu del comand lsmod?\n<[Enrico]> comando*\n<brunetto> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/QDnMCfbTNb/\n<[Enrico]> brunetto: se ora lanci: sudo modprobe rtl8xxxu\n<[Enrico]> funziona la wireless?\n<brunetto> nessun adattatore wifi trovato\n<[Enrico]> la wifi usb è collegata al computer in questione?\n<brunetto> si\n<[Enrico]> brunetto: il comando modprobe ha dato qualche output di errore?\n<brunetto> ho dei file con informazioni sull'installazione li vuoi vedere\n<brunetto> nessun messaggio\n<[Enrico]> no\n<[Enrico]> brunetto: ok, allora mi servono gli output dei seguenti due comandi: dmesg (di nuovo), ip link show\n<brunetto> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/dDyJSbFYhw/\n<brunetto> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/4hmtGW5Dzc/\n<[Enrico]> brunetto: temo non sia supportata. Non ne sono sicuro. Per quel che posso capire è basata su chip realtek RTL8812BU. I chip della realtek non sono supportati bene su Linux\n<brunetto> nel mini cd ci sono due driver : RTL88x2BU_WiFi_linux_v5.1.7_19806_BTCOEX20161024-3333.20161025\n<[Enrico]> ci sono dei driver non ufficiali che non ti consiglio, sinceramente fai prima a comprare una nuova chiavetta\n<brunetto> e l'altro RTL8192EU_linux_v4.4.1.1_18873_BTCOEX20160412-0042.20160805\n<[Enrico]> brunetto: non funzioneranno, sono molto vecchi, ma puoi provare.... occhio che potresti rompere il sistema\n<brunetto> grazie\n<[Enrico]> brunetto: se vuoi fai il join in #ubuntu-it-chat , in questo canale si parla solo di supporto ufficiale, ma in -chat non c'è questa restrizione\n<brunetto> buona giornata\n<[Enrico]> brunetto: comunque guarda, ci perderai ore e alla fine non funzionerà bene, dico sul serio, le realtek sono una pena purtroppo\n<[Enrico]> fai prima a prendere una nuova chiavetta davvero, ti risparmi la frustrazione\n<brunetto> ciao\n<[Enrico]> ciao :)\n<``TRAVIONE``> Carlin0 MA TI RICORDI QUANDO DICEVI DI ME CHE SONO UN TRAVIONE?AHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH MA POI CHE CAZZO SAREBBE 'STO TRAVIONE?à UN TERMINE PIEMONTESE CHE USATE SOLO VOI?\"TRAVIONE\" AHAHAHHAHAAHAH Carlin0 MA POI TU SEI SICURO DI SAPER DISTINGUERE UNA DONNA VERA DA UN \"TRAVIONE\" TU CHE UNA DONNA NON L'HAI MAI VISTA IN TUTTA LA TUA SCHIFOSISSIMA VITA DA PEZZENTE?AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA\n<piemontesina> Carlin0 MA LA TERZA MEDIA L'HAI COMPRATA IN ALBANIA COME RENZO BOSSI HA FATTO CON LA SUA LAUREA?AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH LA TERZA MEDIA TE L'HA DATA QUALCHE ALBANESE Là A BARRIERA DI MILANO?AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA OPPURE L'HAI PRESA A SAN SALVARIO DA QUALCHE MAROCCHINO? Carlin0 MA I FOUNDER DEL CANALE SANNO CHE INVECE DI IGNORARE I TROLL,LI DEFINITE \"TRAVIONI\" ?AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA\n<Ocram> Ciao! Stamane, il mio portatile, un Asus ZenBook con installato Ubuntu 18.04, ha effettuato un aggiornamento. In questo momento, non riesco più ad accedere alla macchina. Mi mostra lo schermo di login, digito la password, e resta lì appeso... Cosa posso fare?\n<LA-TOPORAGNA> Carlin0 ma è vera quella storia che si racconta in giro su voi piemontesi? pare che in piemonte,a torino le donne siano solite pisciare dentro una ciotola e poi darne da bere il contenuto a voi sfigati maschi morti di figa che con la speranza di compiacerle,la ingurgitate sino all'ultimo sorso AHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH Carlin0 ma seriamente siete così sfigati in piemonte?veramente?o fate solo finta di esserlo? AHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH\n<Carlin0-MI-BANNA> INFATTI IL VECCHIO DETTO \"QUANDO IL GATTO NON C'Ã,I TOPI BALLANO\",SECONDO LA FILOSOFIA PIEMONTESE VIENE TRASFORMATO IN \"QUANDO LA DONNA PISCIA,I MASCHI BEVONO\" AHAHAHAHHAHAAH VERO Carlin0?ANCHE TU SEI RIDOTTO COSÃ?TU CHE NON ESCI MAI DI CASA E NON VEDI MAI DONNE?PURE TU NE SAGGI IL PISCIO AD OGNI OCCASIONE?AHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH\n<ryuujin> mah povero demente\n<niko> why not ban webchat at all ?\n<storione> sono ryuujin... e' una prova\n<ryuujin> ero io, volevo vedere una cosa della webchat\n<[Enrico]> niko: a lot of legit users are coming in from webchat\n<ryuujin> [Enrico]: secondo me va chiuso ai non registrati... con redirect su canale unregged\n<[Enrico]> ryuujin: lui è registrato\n<ryuujin> questi nick no... o si?\n<ryuujin> se lui fosse registrato, un sysop freenode non potrebbe direttamente bannarlo dal server?\n<[Enrico]> niko: the purpose of this channel is to help ubuntu users, removing one of their main access methods would severely limit the utility of the channel, imho\n<[Enrico]> ryuujin: questi non so, ma avevano già provato con gli utenti registrati e li registrava nuovi ogni volta\n<[Enrico]> certo ha un passo in più e male male non fa\n<kiokoman> ma denunciarlo alla postale no? :)\n<[Enrico]> ma non è una soluzione definitiva\n<ryuujin> pero' capisco che e' un limite anche per nuovi utenti in cerca di aiuto\n<[Enrico]> niko: and FYI, I'm not an Ubuntu member, I'm just a simple user sharing my two cents, ultimately is up to the community people managing this channel to choose\n<[Enrico]> kiokoman: beh non è una brutta idea sinceramente\n<niko> i could add uppercase detection on sigyn, but i'm not sure that will solve the problem here, given he uses vps/vpn/proxies\n<[Enrico]> niko: is that going to check the username or also the first sentence?\n<[Enrico]> actually it might be a good idea to ban uppercase abuse, if possible. Would limit the visibility\n<ryuujin> it has used some nicknames with mixed uppercase/lowercase like \"Carlin0-MI-BANNA\"\n<ryuujin> maybe you can add a regex to match \"Carlin\" in the nickname too\n<ryuujin> with exc for Carlin0\n<[Enrico]> but that would ban Carlin0 too! ;)\n<ryuujin> :)\n<ryuujin> it would be nice heuristic check based on previous messages :P mmm...\n<ryuujin> a spamassassin for irc ;)\n<[Enrico]> honestly the most effective way would probably be to permanently switch the channel to registered only and keep banning offensive users. He would keep going with new one, but it would be an additional step. Have to see what the channel managers think about it\n<[Enrico]> other distro channels gave up long ago about registered users only\n<[Enrico]> I canali in Inglese per lo meno\n<[Enrico]> smart idea\n<[Enrico]> oh actually it's a +q not a +r :)\n<remix_tj> niko: we have a webchat link on our website, maybe we should take some other contermeasures\n<traba> ciao... premettendo che sono abbastanza imbranato... come faccio ad installare i driver di una stampante che ho scaricato???\n<ryuujin> ciao traba\n<traba> ciao\n<ryuujin> di ceh stampante si tratta? in che formato hai scaricato i driver?\n<traba> la stampante è pantum... i driver li ho scaricati dal sito della pantum\n<ryuujin> il file che hai scaricato e' un .deb?\n<traba> è .zip...devo aprirlo?\n<traba> se lo apro è .tar\n<Carlin0> traba, pantum quale ?\n<traba> M6506W\n<Carlin0> traba, è un tar.gz ma non so cosa contenga\n<traba> come la installo sta stampante quindi?\n<traba> ho anche il cd con i drivers\n<Carlin0> traba, il tar.gz contiene un altro tar.gz alla fine troverai un file install.sh\n<traba> ok\n<traba> poi\n<Carlin0> che va lanciato da terminale col comando sudo ./install.sh\n<Carlin0> e quello \"dovrebbe\" installarti i driver , dico dovrebbe perchè non lo conosco\n<traba> quindi apro il terminale e digito ./install.sh ???\n<traba> scusa ma sono incapace\n<Carlin0> prima devi portarti nella cartella che contiene quel file\n<Carlin0> mi spiace devo andare ...\n<ryuujin> traba: non ci sono indicazioni sul sito?\n<traba> sono io che non so come fare\n<traba> come li installo da terminale?\n<ryuujin> ci sono tantissimi modi e dipendono dal tipo di pacchetto\n<ryuujin> nel tuo caso, devi aprire il terminale e portarti nella diretory dove hai decompresso il file\n<ryuujin> se c'e' un install.sh puoi provare a fare sudo ./install.sh\n<ryuujin> ma dipende... ti conviene vedere se c'e' un file di testo README o INSTALL che indica i passaggi da seguire\n<traba> ok grazie\n<Mr_Pan> buonasera\n<kiokoman> buona sera\n<WalterQ> Ciao a tutti, vorrei sapere se c'è un modo su ubuntu 18.04 per poter creare una partizione di recovery nascosta. Per intenderci come quella che si trova sui portatili nuovi che danno il sistema operatoivo pre-installato e che all'occorrenza può essere re-installato\n<WalterQ> Spero di essere riuscito a spiegarmi, chiedo scusa, ma sono comunque un neofita di ubuntu\n<WalterQ> Grazie anticipatamente per le vostre risposte.\n<kiokoman> WalterQ: uhm\n<kiokoman> WalterQ: teoricamente si\n<kiokoman> ma non ho fatto in tempo a dirti che sarebbe alquanto inutile\n<kiokoman> xd\n<Leprotto> ciao a tutti\n<gigirock> yo\n<Leprotto> qualcuno mi potrebbe aiutare con un problema con i repository (ubuntu 18.04)?\n<Leprotto> da un po' di giorni mi da dei messaggi di errore quando cerco di fare l'aggiornamento?\n<Mr_Pan> Leprotto, che errori\n<Leprotto> allora ti copio il log se riesco a capire come funziona pastebin :D\n<gigirock> Leprotto, more log | pastebinit\n<Leprotto> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/mnJMjXjphv/\n<gigirock> Leprotto, 6 in italia ?\n<Leprotto> sisi\n<gigirock> Leprotto, ma che te ne fai dei backport ?\n<Leprotto> in effetti li ho abilitati ma non ho ben capito a cosa servono :D\n<gigirock> lol\n<gigirock> toglili e usa un repo italico poi controlla che dns usi\n<Mr_Pan> dai log si vede che la priorita dei repo e' cambiata in 500 (backports) evidentemente hai scaricato qualcosa da li e ora usa quelli ma cosi facendo mandi tutto in vacca ...\n<Mr_Pan> a stretto giro...\n<Leprotto> allora ho disabilitato i backports però mi è rimasto il problema della priorità dei pacchetti\n<Leprotto> come risolvo?\n<Mr_Pan> Leprotto, hai fatto sudo apt update dopo che hai tolto i backports ?\n<Leprotto> l'ho fatto ora e sembra si sia risolto\n<Leprotto> domanda che differenza c'è fra sudo apt update e apt-get update?\n<kiokoman> apt-get e' deprecato\n<gigirock> Leprotto, apt adesso e' il comando ufficiale e da anche molte + info\n<kiokoman> Leprotto: per farla breve quando i nerd si stancano di qualcosa la cambiano nel tentativo di renderla + semplice quindi hanno pensato bene di togliere il -get che era in +\n<Leprotto> chiedo perchè una volta ho fatto sudo apt update e mi ha elencato gli aggiornamenti senza lasciarmeli installare\n<kiokoman> Leprotto: apt update aggiorna solo la lista mentre apt upgrade effettua l'aggiornamento\n<Leprotto> grazie\n<Leprotto> altra domanda ubuntu 18.04b è ancora compatibile con i ppa?\n<Mr_Pan> !ppa\n<ubot-it> Un Personal Package Archive (PPA) è in grado di fornire il software alternativo non normalmente disponibile nei repository di Ubuntu official - Alla ricerca di un PPA? Vedi https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - ATTENZIONE: PPA sono pacchetti di terze parti NON supportati il cui utilizzo è a proprio rischio. Vedi anche !addppa e !ppa-purge\n<Mr_Pan> Leprotto, NON si usano i PPA\n<kiokoman> si, non si usano.. e comunque la domanda era sbagliata, dovevi invertire i soggetti\n<Leprotto> ho capito ma se proprio ho bisogno di software non ufficialmente supportato in ubuntu che faccio? :D\n<Leprotto> ah capisco\n<gigirock> Leprotto, o lo compili o lo scarichi direttamente\n<Leprotto> kiokoman è stato più esaustivo :D\n<gigirock> Leprotto, che software ti manca ?\n<Leprotto> in pratica aggiornando a ubuntu 18 ho perso la compatibilità con alcuni ppa\n<gigirock> Leprotto, e' il contrario sono i ppa non compatibili con 18\n<Leprotto> mah avevo scaricato il grub customizer :D, liciaggio in arrivo! :D\n<kiokoman> !linciaggio\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'linciaggio'\n<kiokoman> !ghigliottina\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'ghigliottina'\n<gigirock> Leprotto, c'e' un programma ufficiale per il grub......\n<Leprotto> tipo?\n<kiokoman> !impiccaggione ?\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'impiccaggione ?'\n<gigirock> Leprotto, no non c'e' +\n<kiokoman> qui non vi so aiutare, la prima cosa che faccio generalmente e' togliere quiet e splash da grub\n<kiokoman> tutte quelle scritte da nerd che scorrono non hanno prezzo\n<Leprotto> scherzi a parte a cosa serve uno splash che tii impedisce di identificare eventuali problemi durante l'avvio?\n<Leprotto> è pure viola e fa schifo\n<gigirock> Leprotto, ma vuoi eliminare lo splash screen ?\n<kiokoman> eh proprio per quello tolgo splash e quiet\n<Mr_Pan> kiokoman, per favore siamo in supporto e il canale e' loggato ... non sparare coando a caso su u-bot\n<Leprotto> quello lo so fare, io lo avevo scaricato per aggiungere voci a grub senza dover pasticciare con gli editor di testo\n<kiokoman> Mr_Pan: roger !\n<gigirock> Leprotto, se vuoi usare il grub devi usare il text editor\n<Leprotto> si ma mi dovrei leggere qualche tutorial per capire come è impostato\n<gigirock> Leprotto, nessuno nasce imparato (cit.)\n<Leprotto> in pratica ho scoperto che il repository andava aggiornato\n<kiokoman> Leprotto: è probabile\n<kiokoman> buona notte a tutti\n<Leprotto> e a proposito della mia domanda precedente wikipedia dice\n<Leprotto> Backporting is the action of taking parts from a newer version of a software system or software component and porting them to an older version of the same software. It forms part of the maintenance step in a software development process, and it is commonly used for fixing security issues in older versions of the software and also for providing new\n<Leprotto> features to older versions.\n<Leprotto> la domanda è se la cosa è sicura o se può creare problemi di stabilità al software\n<Leprotto> notte\n#ubuntu-it 2018-05-23\n<rana28_> il mio pc non riesce più a riconoscere i driver della stampante hp 4500\n<XABC> Non si è installato il drive corretto della scheda video, non vedo il messaggio di benvenuto è tutto bianco.\n<XABC> Per il resto funziona sono andato a controllare i drive e non ho nessun drive originale ma non vedo neanch e quelli compatibili.\n<Carlin0> XABC, che scheda video e che driver\n<XABC> non so quale sche video ho , è un pc vecchio che mi hanno regalato, e non ho nessun drive installato o meglio non vedo i drive.\n<XABC> software e aggiornamenti /drive aggiuntivi giusto?\n<XABC> è vuoto non ho neanche il drive del processore , nulla!\n<Carlin0> XABC, apri un terminale e scrivi sudo ldhw -C display | nc termbin.com 9999\n<XABC> esiste un softeare che veda tutte le periferiche e le identifichi?\n<Carlin0> XABC, posta qui il link che esce\n<[Enrico]> XABC: in ubuntu, come in tutti i sistemi linux, i driver sono inclusi nel sistema. I driver aggiuntivi sono quelli forniti da terze parte sono molto pochi (in quanto tutti gli altri sono inclusi nel sistema). Per esempio i driver proprietari nvidia o alcuni chip wireless. Fine. I driver della CPU, scheda madre eccetera, sono tutti inclusi\n<XABC> https://thepasteb.in/p/Vmh0Ev3xZnWU4\n<Carlin0> scusa XABC ho sbagliato io il comando\n<Carlin0> XABC, sudo lshw -C display | nc termbin.com 9999\n<XABC> https://thepasteb.in/p/lOhO37x1QkgsB\n<XABC> cosa significa 33 mhz non mi dite che è la cpu!?\n<Carlin0> no è la scheda video , cmq credo che meglio di così non possa andare e le intel bene o male sono abbastanza supportate\n<XABC> Quindi non serve nessun drive?\n<Carlin0> ci sono già i driver ... hai letto cosa ha scritto Enrico ?\n<XABC> si, che sono inclusi nel os ma volevo la certezza che ci siano, mi ricordo che per risolvere un problema simile dove compariva il benvenuto bianco mi è stata fatta installare un drive video con un nome particolare che ora non ricordo. Aveva risolto il problema ma se dite che non è necessario alora va bene così.\n<XABC> ok allora se è tutto vi ringrazio ciao!\n<mr16> buongiorno, ho un problema, ho installato sul mio pc ubuntu 16.04 in dual boot, da qualche giorno non mi fa entrare più in ubuntu avviando direttamente windows, prima di ciò mi appare il seguente errore:\n<mr16> https://thepasteb.in/p/LghNgv84OzgHZ\n<mr16> devo ripristinare grub? se si con quale modalità ? perderò i dati=\n<mr16> ?\n<pac1957> Buon pomeriggio, sono su Ubuntu 18.04 Unity, da qualche ho lo sfondo nero ed è impossibile fare modifiche. E' un problema che si risolve?\n<pac1957> pardon manca \"giorno\".\n<Carlin0> pac1957, ubuntu 18.04 non usa più unity usa gnome\n<pac1957> Carlin0: ma quando sono entrato avevo più opzioni e tra quelle c'era anche unity.\n<pac1957> Carlin0: possibile l'abbia installato io?\n<Carlin0> pac1957, ma hai fatto una nuova installazione o hai avanzato di versione ?\n<pac1957> Carlin0: installazione nuova\n<Carlin0> se non sai tu cosa hai installato ...\n<pac1957> Carlin0: allora no\n<Carlin0> pac1957, e se invece scegli gnome ?\n<pac1957> Carlin0: Con tutti gli altri ambienti non ho problemi.\n<pac1957> Carlin0: Carlin0: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/7S7PSWbsCt/\n<Carlin0> pac1957, cmq unity è stato abbandonato e non riceverà più aggiornamenti\n<pac1957> Carlin0: vero non ci avevo pensato, peccato perché mi ci trovavo bene.\n<pac1957> Carlin0: lo posso eliminare?\n<Carlin0> pac1957, usa semplicemente gnome ...che tra le altre cose l'hanno reso graficamente quasi uguale\n<WalterQ> /msg NickServ identify ^\"DV&té4\\°!A\n<Mr_Pan> WalterQ ... lol\n<Carlin0> WalterQ, cambia pass e falla mettere dal client automaticamente\n<Carlin0> :)\n<WalterQ> Si stavo cercando i comandi per cambiarla\n<WalterQ> me li puoi passare per favore?\n<Nabbo_88> Salve a tutti!\n<Nabbo_88> C'è qualcuno che può aiutarmi? ho un problemone con l'installazione dell'ultima versione di ubuntu :(\n<Carlin0> WalterQ, /msg nickserv set password lanuovapass\n<Carlin0> !qualcuno | Nabbo_88\n<ubot-it> Nabbo_88: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'\n<Nabbo_88> ho un problemone con l'installazione dell'ultima versione di ubuntu\n<Nabbo_88> In pratica ho scaricato l'immagine ISO e l'ho masterizzata su DVD\n<Nabbo_88> Premetto che al momento ho windows 10\n<Nabbo_88> Quindi sono andato su impostazioni/ripristino ecc ecc\n<Nabbo_88> faccio ripartire con DVD\n<Nabbo_88> scelgo l'installazione\n<Carlin0> devi entrare nel bios e far bootare i dvd\n<Nabbo_88> e nel momento in cui viene la schermata viola mi si blocca al quarto pallino\n<WalterQ> fatto\n<Carlin0> Nabbo_88, controlla il md5sum della iso\n<WalterQ> Grazie Carlin0\n<Carlin0> !md5 | Nabbo_88\n<ubot-it> Nabbo_88: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/MD5Sum | Per una lista completa, si veda: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/MD5Sum/Hash\n<Nabbo_88> grazie mille Carlin! ora vedo\n<Nabbo_88> Quindi se scopro che ci sono errori, riscarico la ISO?\n<Nabbo_88> ho fatto\n<Nabbo_88> mi dice: Mi dice che sono le stesse, quindi non è quello il problema :(\n<Nabbo_88> nessuno mi sa dire come fare?\n<Nabbo_88> ragazzi??!?\n<Nabbo_08> Raga, c'è qualcuno online tra i 32 utenti che può aiutarmi per favore?\n#ubuntu-it 2018-05-24\n<Fabio> Esiste un sistema per far partire in automatico il collegamento bluetooth al mouse durante l'accensione invece che abilitarlo di volta in volta manualmente tramite l'apposita voce in Impostazioni ogni volta che si accende il PC?\n<kiokoman> Fabio: cioe' ogni volta che accendi il pc il bluetooth e' spento e lo devi accendere?\n<Fabio> Esatto kiokoman , cioè il bluetooth risulta acceso in verità solo che la connessione al mouse materialmente la devo \"attaccare\" manualmente perché non si attiva da sola. Questo ad ogni accensione.\n<kagakazov> ragazzi non riesco a aggiornare il sistema\n<kagakazov> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Pmcbsg9XJt/\n<kagakazov> ragazzi non riesco a aggiornare il sistema\n<kagakazov> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Pmcbsg9XJt/\n<kiokoman> il supporto per la 17.04 non era finito?\n<kiokoman> kagakazov: mi sa che devi aggiornare alla 17.10\n<kiokoman> kiokoman: sudo do-release-upgrade\n<kiokoman> Fabio: potresti provare da terminale a collegare il mouse con il comando -> sudo hidd --connect AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF se funziona te lo metti in avvio automatico\n<Fabio> Sì kiokoman già fatto ma non ha funzionato pur con l'indirizzo MAC corretto.\n<kiokoman> Fabio: hcitool spinq ?\n<kiokoman> Fabio: o provi ad usare un altro bluetooth manager tipo blueman\n<christian3> salve a tutti, mi chiamo christian, vorrei porvi una domanda, io utilizzo ubuntu 16.04.1 tuttavia non mi è stato mai notificato nessun aggiornamento inteso come 16.04.x (so che per la versione 18.04 bisognerà aspettare la prima point release)\n<christian3> però ho visto che per esempio c'è la 16.04.4 LTS come mai non mi viene notificato tale aggiornemnto?\n<Carlin0> christian3, se scrivi nel terminale lsb_release -r cosa risponde ?\n<christian3> release: 16.04\n<[Enrico]> christian3: quelli sono aggiornamenti solo del cd di installazione. Il sistema include tali aggiornamenti normalmente\n<christian3> in che senso scusami?\n<Carlin0> christian3, sudo apt update && sudo apt -y upgrade\n<[Enrico]> christian3: in pratica se ti installi la 16.04 oggi dovresti poi fare gli aggiornamenti accumulati negli ultimi due anni. Sono tanti, allora rilasciano una nuova immagine periodicamente che include gli aggiornamenti normali che tu hai già fatto :)\n<Carlin0> esatto\n<christian3> ah ok, quindi non c'è bisogno di aggiornare!\n<[Enrico]> quindi se oggi installi la 16.04.4 devi fare gli aggiornamenti solo degli ultimi 2-3 mesi\n<[Enrico]> christian3: no hai già aggiornato\n<Carlin0> se fai gli aggiornamenti normali ...\n<[Enrico]> christian3: c'è anche un'altra cosa, le nuove immagini arrivano anche con driver nuovi opzionali.\n<christian3> grazieeee\n<[Enrico]> questi non sono necessari se il tuo computer funziona come dovrebbe\n<christian3> no no funziona tutto\n<[Enrico]> e si possono abilitare anche da installazioni già in corso, ma, ripeto, non serve se il tuo sistema già funziona in modo soddisfacente\n<Carlin0> christian3, sudo apt update && sudo apt -y upgrade\n<[Enrico]> christian3: se ti interessa approfondire la cosa è documentata sulla wiki ufficiale in inglese https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack\n<Carlin0> aggiorna qualcosa ?\n<Carlin0> la domanda cadde nel vuoto ...\n<ryuujin> Carlin0 attese la risposta... il ticchettio dell'orologio nella stanza si faceva sempre piu' insistente. I secondi divennero minuti...\n<Carlin0> eh perchè qualcuno afferma che abbia già aggiornato ma non ho capito su che basi\n<Carlin0> vabbè amen\n<ryuujin> christian3: Carlin0 ti ha chiesto se provando ad aggiornare, ti viene notificato qualcosa\n<ryuujin> su un terminale scrivi\n<ryuujin> sudo apt update && apt -y upgrade\n<Carlin0> ci manca un sudo\n<ryuujin> sudo apt update && sudo apt -y upgrade\n<ryuujin> :D\n<Carlin0> inizia il caldo si suda :P\n<ryuujin> eheh\n<christian3> eccomi perdonatemi\n<christian3> il sistema funziona era una mia curiosità , siccome vedevo che venivano rilasciate \"le release\" ma non ricevevo nessuna notifica, mi son detto come mai??\n<Carlin0> christian3, haii provato a dare i comandi che ti ho detto ?\n<christian3> sto provando ora\n<christian3> ok, ho dato i comandi\n<Carlin0> aggiorna qualcosa o no ?\n<christian3> ha aggiornato qualcosa\n<Carlin0> ok ora riprova lsb_release -d\n<christian3> ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS\n<Carlin0> sei a posto direi\n<christian3> ok con quei comandi esattamente cosa ho fatto ahahah?\n<Carlin0> coi normali aggiornamenti avanza anche la point release\n<Carlin0> hai aggiornato\n<christian3> perfetto grazie\n<[Enrico]> erano equivalenti a fare gli aggiornamenti tramite le normali notifiche, semplicemente da riga di comando\n<[Enrico]> da IRC è molto più facile darti i comandi da lanciare piuttosto che spiegarti quali tasti premere\n<Carlin0> anche per via dei vari DE\n<[Enrico]> ecco\n<christian3> va bene\n<christian3> di nuovo grazie mille\n<Carlin0> da terminale vale sia per gnome che kde etc etc\n<[Enrico]> e poi è più facile fare il copia / in colla di eventuali errori\n<[Enrico]> prego\n<christian3> ciao a tutti\n<Carlin0> alla prossima christian3\n<christian3> ;)\n<Nabbo_88> buondì! Ho già scritto ieri ma non mi ha risposto nessuno.. c'è qualcuno che può aiutarmi oggi?\n<Nabbo_88> in pratica sto cercando di installare ubuntu 18.04\n<Nabbo_88> da windows 10\n<Nabbo_88> quindi faccio il riavvio avanzato passando attraverso l'UEFI\n<Nabbo_88> metto installa Ubuntu\n<Nabbo_88> e niente, dopo uno o due minuti si blocca\n<Nabbo_88> quando c'è la schermata viola con i pallini\n<[Enrico]> Nabbo_88: hai provato a selezionare prova ubuntu senza installare?\n<[Enrico]> in generale è consigliabile scegliere quell'opzione, tanto una volta partito troverai un bottone per installare anche da li :)\n<Nabbo_88> si, ho provato\n<Nabbo_88> qualsiasi cosa scelgo si blocca :(\n<Nabbo_88> cmq ho appena trovato sul forum un post col mio problema:\n<Nabbo_88> https://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=628380\n<[Enrico]> hai un dell xps 15?\n<Nabbo_88> no\n<Nabbo_88> un asus K550VX\n<Nabbo_88> però ho fatto le sue medesime cose\n<Nabbo_88> ho provato sia con la pennetta sia con il dvd\n<[Enrico]> premendo esc durante la schermata viola coi pallini vedi qualche errore?\n<Nabbo_88> mi pare di si\n<[Enrico]> Nabbo_88: potresti fare una foto e mostrarceli?\n<Nabbo_88> Certo! Grazie mille Enrico! :)\n<Nabbo_88> dammi 10 minuti e sono di nuovo qui\n<[Enrico]> Nabbo_88: eh fra 10 minuti io sono in treno purtroppo :), ma magari trovi qualcun altro\n<Nabbo_88> noooo :(( speriamo xD\n<Nabbo_88> vabbè allora faccio con più calma\n<[Enrico]> Nabbo_88: un'altra cosa che puoi provare a fare è usare il parametro di avvio nomodeset come spiegato qui https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/ParametriAvvio\n<[Enrico]> alcuni driver grafici, specialmente nvidia, hanno dei bug e non funzionano bene. Usando quel parametro a volte si riesce a installare in modalità grafica \"vecchia scuola\" diciamo e poi puoi installare i driver proprietari al primo avvio\n<Nabbo_88> si io ho una nVidia Ge FOrce GTX 950\n<Nabbo_88> il problema è che a quella schermata io non riesco proprio ad arrivarci\n<[Enrico]> beh strano quella schermata è prima di quella viola coi pallini\n<[Enrico]> è letteralmente la prima schermata subito dopo il BIOS, dopo che selezioni di fare il boot di ubuntu da UEFI\n<[Enrico]> se non vedi quella schermata la pennetta / cd non è stata creata correttamente\n<[Enrico]> !installazione | Nabbo_88\n<ubot-it> Nabbo_88: Guida per l'installazione di Ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/InstallareUbuntu\n<[Enrico]> nel caso segui queste istruzioni\n<Nabbo_88> ma intendi questa?\n<[Enrico]> io ora devo andare\n<[Enrico]> ciao\n<Nabbo_88> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/LuXhRLDMSkm1BspHl5AJ?signature=5460fc1707c22141090fedb8b6efb98d1f26934ce782cf4d2ad970bf89531a1c&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE1MjcxNzY1NTl9\n<Nabbo_88> Ciao Enrico, grazie!\n<[Enrico]> si quella\n<[Enrico]> premi un tasto\n<[Enrico]> ciao\n<luca__> ciao\n<luca__> vorrei sapere come disabilitare la scheda wi integrata nel portatile e collegarmi tramite chiavetta wifi\n<luca__> *wifi\n<Carlin0> luca__, il pc non ha un tasto fisico che la spegne ?\n<luca__> Carlin0 si ce l'ha, ma se lo disttivo e inserisco la chiavetta usb come faccio a capire se sto usando l una o l'altra?\n<Carlin0> luca__, quello spegna solo la scheda integrata\n<barbobrabo2> buona sera ssignori, i file temporanei di internet usando linux mint in che cartella li trovo?\n<Mr_Pan> barbobrabo2, non dipende da mint o altro\n<Mr_Pan> ma dal browser...\n<barbobrabo2> firefox ?\n<barbobrabo2> :-)\n<UeCiccio> Salve, nel mio kubuntu 18.04 ho Aggiunto un pannello superiore alla cui destra ho inserito il vassoio di sistema assieme alle alle icone \"ricerca\", \"lettore multimediale\" e \"blocca/esci\"; alla sua sinistra, invece, \"cambia desktop\" e \"profili di console\". Il problema è che ogniqualvolta riavvio il sistema mi ritrovo tutte le icone sulla sinistra. Sapete se c'è un modo per risolvere il problema?\n#ubuntu-it 2018-05-25\n<jeanrose> Buongiorno, avrei bisogno di supporto per un problema che non riesco a risolvere in Ubuntu 18.04 AMD64 Desktop\n<[Enrico]> jeanrose: spiega il tuo problema, non aspettare che qualcuno ti risponda prima di averlo spiegato :)\n<jeanrose> Ho bisogno di accedere alla macchina Ubuntu da un Client Windows via XDMCP (usando Xming),\n<[Enrico]> oh mamma\n<jeanrose> In Ubuntu ho configurato tutto corettamente (nel file /etc/gdm3/custom.conf)\n<[Enrico]> jeanrose: se puoi usare RDP invece di XDMCP ti consiglio di installare xrdp su ubuntu e usare quello\n<jeanrose> Ma non funziona. La connessione non viene stabilita. Finestra grigia che lampeggia poi va in errore\n<jeanrose> RDP non va bene nel mio caso\n<jeanrose> Ho bisogno necessariamnete di collegarmi via XDMCP.\n<jeanrose> Fino alle versioni precedenti (ho varie macchine con Ubuntu 16.04) funziona tutto correttamente\n<kiokoman> la 16 usava unity\n<jeanrose> Si, infatti\n<kiokoman> la 18 usa gnome, leggo che con gnome non funziona\n<jeanrose> Sulla 18.04 ho provato anche ad installare Unity con Lightdm, ma non funziona neanche qulla :(\n<jeanrose> Con gnome non funziona ?!?!\n<kiokoman> kde / xfce o unity 2d\n<kiokoman> così pare\n<jeanrose> Ma ho trvato vari articoli che invece dicono che deve funzionare !!!!\n<jeanrose> Il problema è che nenache con Unity funziona !!! Scermata grigia e tutto bloccato !!!\n<jeanrose> Schermata perdon :-)\n<[Enrico]> sono abbastanza convinto che funzioni con GNOME, anche Red Hat supporta XDMCP e GNOME è il default\n<kiokoman> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/xdmcp\n<jeanrose> Esatto ! La penso anche io così.\n<kiokoman> qui dicono che ha diversi problemi ma non l'ho mai usato\n<jeanrose> ma non so più che prove fare !!!\n<jeanrose> Riporto la configurazione fatta sulla mia macchina (custom.conf):\n<kiokoman> jeanrose: le porte sono aperte?\n<jeanrose> https://thepasteb.in/p/2RhK4vyLKp5S4\n<jeanrose> Si, e per maggior sicurezza ho completamnete disattivato il firewall\n<^kiokoman^> schermata grigia con puntatore mouse a X\n<WSagitt> salve\n<^kiokoman^> WSagitt: salve\n<WSagitt> ciao\n<^kiokoman^> jeanrose: puoi lanciare Xming.exe -logverbose 3 -logfile log.txt -query ipserver e poi postare il log?\n<Carlin0> a dirla tutta sembra più un problema windows che linux\n<jeanrose> No, perchè con altre macchine con Ubuntu 16.04 (Unity) funziona\n<jeanrose> Faccio la porbva che mi ha chiesto Kiokoman\n<jeanrose> https://thepasteb.in/p/Z4hPwE9Dr8WhG\n<jeanrose> Ecco il log\n<Carlin0> ma il programma che da problemi gira su win , o sbaglio ?\n<jeanrose> Si, Xming lo lancio sul Client Windows 7\n<jeanrose> Quello che succede è schermata grigia che flasha continuamente finchè non killo il processo Xmin\n<[Enrico]> jeanrose: hai provato a usare un altro client, per esempio un altro sistema ubuntu, per escludere che sia un problema di xming?\n<Carlin0> dice che con la 16.04 va\n<jeanrose> Esatto, con le macchine 16.04 funziona\n<[Enrico]> eh ho ben capito, ma le cose cambiano :)\n<jeanrose> Ma cambiano in peggio !!! :-(\n<jeanrose> :-)\n<Carlin0> magari il problema non è gnome/unity ma i nuovi kernel\n<[Enrico]> se è solo xming che non funziona con la 18.04 e gli altri client funzionano non è detto che sia un problema della 18.04\n<jeanrose> Non ho ancora provato con altri Client perchè la necessita urgente è di risolvere dai Client Windows :-)\n<jeanrose> Cmq farò una prova ...\n<Carlin0> jeanrose, cmq la 16.04 ha supporto fino al 2021\n<Carlin0> a dopo\n<jeanrose> Il fatto è che si voleva upgradare i sistemi con la 16.04 alla 18.04 :-)\n<jeanrose> Ma se ho di questi problemi, lascio il mondo come sta ! .-)\n<[Enrico]> prego\n<jeanrose> Enrico, ho appena provato da un altro Client Linux con Xnest e ho lo stesso ed identico problema: schermata che lampeggia.\n<jeanrose> Quindi il problema è su Ubuntu 18.04\n<[Enrico]> così pare :)\n<gigirock> ma vi lampeggia la schermata del browser ?\n<gigirock> oggi in win 10 con explorer 11 lamepggiano tutti i siti\n<[Enrico]> !chat | gigirock\n<ubot-it> gigirock: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<[Enrico]> l)\n<[Enrico]> ;)\n<gigirock> miiii che palle\n<[Enrico]> :P\n<ferd979> ciao a tutti ho questo errore che non so come risolvere\n<Mr_Pan> !veggenti ..\n<ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'veggenti ..'\n<Mr_Pan> !veggenti\n<ubot-it> Gli utenti di questo canale non sono in possesso di poteri magici, non possiedono sfere di cristallo e non sono nemmeno veggenti. Canonical non può permettersi un corso di stregoneria per i suoi collaboratori. Si chiede quindi, gentilmente, di esprimersi in maniera chiara e molto dettagliata.\n#ubuntu-it 2018-05-26\n<ggbit> Ciao a tutti! Ho un problemone che è sorto ieri sera e sono disperato, spero veramente che possiate aiutarmi in qualche modo!\n<ggbit> Ho gia scritto nel canale inglese il mio problema, ma lo posto anche qui nel caso qualche anima santa magari possa aiutarmi:\n<ggbit> I used to have on my mac a dual boot with ubuntu, but yesterday I've decided to delete the ubuntu partition cause I was running out of space. The problem is that I've deleted it with utility disk on mac, and now every time I try to reboot, it gives me only 2 options: grub and ubuntu. I just want to access some files from the mac partition because I\n<ggbit> don't have a backup of some of them (I know...), and they are for a work project. I really hope someone can be so amazing to help me figure out how to recover these files >.>\n<RR90> Ciao a tutti, non so bene come funzioni qui, ma avrei bisogno di una mano...\n<Carlin0> RR90, spiega il problema e se qualcuno sa risponde\n<RR90> ok, in sintesi non riesco ad installare ubuntu (nè la versione 16.04 LTS nè la 18.04 LTS) sul mio portatile, in cui i requisiti di sistema non penso siano un problema\n<RR90> il succo è che quando provo le live version, c'è sempre qualcosa che non funziona e dopo poco tempo si blocca tutto, non posso premere nulla, il mouse/touchpad rimane fisso, non posso far altroche spegnere con hard reset\n<Carlin0> RR90, che scheda video ha il pc ?\n<RR90> GTX1050\n<Carlin0> nvidia ?\n<RR90> sì\n<Carlin0> ha 2 schede o ha solo quella ?\n<RR90> che io sappia, solo questa\n<RR90> non sono espertissimo di pc e componenti hardware, ma non ho mai letto di ulteriori schede video\n<Carlin0> ok prova in questo modo : quando si avvia la live all'inizio e ci sono 2 pallini al centro in basso premi un tasto qualsiasi e poi prova le opzioni con f6 tipo nomodeset ed altro\n<RR90> nello specifico, cosa dovrei verificare?\n<RR90> nel senso, cosa dovrebbe succedere?\n<Carlin0> devi provare se usando una di quelle opzioni non si blocca più\n<Carlin0> il problema era quello no ?\n<RR90> posso dirti ad esempio che all'inizio il touchpad funziona per una decina di secondi poi no, e devo usare il mouse...o se provo a cambiare il layout della tastiera, idem si pianta\n<RR90> no so se possano essere info utili\n<RR90> comunque sì, adesso provo un po' e poi mi faccio risentire\n<Carlin0> ora devo andare\n<RR90> grazie per l'aiuto\n#ubuntu-it 2018-05-27\n<dresult> Ciao a tutti, ho un problema con la notifica della batteria scarica...ho provato a chiedere in forum, su chiedi e a cercare in giro sul web ma non sono riuscito a risolvere...mi dareste una mano ? :)\n<Mr_Pan> !chiedi\n<ubot-it> per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà \n<matadores> buona sera\n<fabio_cc> !ciao | matadores\n<ubot-it> matadores: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<matadores> volevo installare ubuntu ad un mio amico\n<matadores> ma mi dice cosi\n<matadores> fare in modo che il programma di istallazzione smonti le partizzioni\n<matadores> mi consigliate di creare una partizzione da windows o cosa devo fare?\n<fabio_cc> matadores, dovresti spiegarti un po' meglio\n<matadores> praticamente ho scaricato ultima versione di ubuntu per istallarlo su un pc di un amico mio\n<matadores> su rischiesta sua ma lo vuole affianco di windows\n<matadores> una volta che ha provato la live ha detto installa e mi e' uscita questa scritta\n<fabio_cc> matadores, durante l'installazione avevi l'opzione installa a fianco a windows?\n<matadores> Il programma di installazione ha rilevato che i seguenti dischi presentano delle partizioni montate\n<matadores> Fare in modo che il programma di installazione smonti le partizioni su questi dischi prima di continuare?\n<matadores> aspe ho trovato lo stesso probblema sul vostro forum ma non vi e' risposta\n<matadores> https://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=591964\n<matadores> mi esce la scritta della ragazza\n<fabio_cc> matadores, probabilmente dalla live eri acceduto alle partizioni presenti sull'hard disk, che quindi sono state montate\n<matadores> quindi rientro e faccio installa direttamente ?\n<fabio_cc> matadores, si è meglio, altrimenti se vengono montate le partizioni è normale che ti esca quella scritta, in quel caso devi dirgli di smontarle\n<matadores> si fabio hai ragione ero entrato nelle cartelle di windows da live\n<fabio_cc> matadores, allora è normale\n<matadores> grazie fabio io vado se ho probblemi rientro con il pc mio dinuvo grazie ancora per la getilezza\n<WSagitt> mi servirebbe una configurazione di una vpn multi hop\n<WSagitt> qualcuno mi può aiutare\n<luca__> ciao!\n<luca__> https://pastebin.com/Zhd9t7sd\n<WSagitt> ciao luca\n<WSagitt> il link era per me\n<luca__> ciao\n<WSagitt> ciao\n<luca__> ho bisogno di qualche aiutino\n<WSagitt> anche tu\n<luca__> diciamo che era generico\n<WSagitt> io volevo fare un vpn\n<WSagitt> ma non trovo molto in giro\n<WSagitt> tipo client vps1 >>>>>vps2>>>internet\n<luca__> da quello che so io per avere un buon vpn devi pagare\n<luca__> poi dipende da cosa ci devi fare\n<luca__> NordVpn è uno di quelli buoni\n<WSagitt> sì voglio farlo come privato prendere due vps e li mettere openvpn\n<WSagitt> lo anche fatto solo che non riesco\n<WSagitt> nel rindirizzamento tra le due vps con vpn\n<luca__> è come se mi parlassi in arbo! xD\n<luca__> non so proprio come aiutarti\n<WSagitt> ok\n<WSagitt> grazie\n<WSagitt> sepro che qulcuno abbai qualche configurazione\n<luca__> mi spiace\n<dextm80> ciao ragazzi\n<dextm80> ciao Mr_Pan\n<dextm80> ciao Carlin0\n<dextm80> ho un problema, non so perchè ad un riavvio di ubuntu si ferma sul grub \"Minimal bash-like line editing is supported ecc ecc e non ne cavo piedi?cosa è successo? non vorrei formattare dopo tutte le configurazioni fatte\n<fabio_cc> !chat | WSagitt\n<ubot-it> WSagitt: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<fabio_cc> (in riferimento a quanto chiesto prima)\n<fabio_cc> !tizio | dextm80\n<ubot-it> dextm80: non porre le tue domande a qualcuno in particolare, rivolgiti al canale. Non usare forme del tipo 'Tizio, mi sai dire..'/'Tizio, posso?'\n<dextm80> fabio_cc, è inerente a ubuntu, non ho fatto mica domande su windows, e poi ho solo salutato non ho posto le domande a loro. so benissimo come funziona, grazie\n<fabio_cc> dextm80, se leggi bene vedi che la prima cosa che ho scritto era per WSagitt\n<dextm80> fabio_cc, scusa dicevi a WSagitt\n<fabio_cc> si\n<dextm80> sorry\n<fabio_cc> dextm80, tutto ok\n<dextm80> mi dai una mano? :) :)\n<fabio_cc> dextm80, adesso mi devo assentare, ma intanto scrivi maggiori dettagli (versione di ubuntu, ultime cose che hai fatto prima che succedesse questo problema)\n<dextm80> ok, versione 16.04 e non ho fatto nulla a parte il classico sudo apt update/upgrade\n<dextm80> ero da tanto che non installavo/modificavo nulla, lo uso come serber\n<dextm80> server\n<fabio_cc> dextm80, comunque non ho capito bene, si blocca sul menu di grub oppure da un messaggio di errore?\n<dextm80> si blocca sul grub\n<dextm80> minimal bash like line editing is supported for the first word tab ubuntu\n<dextm80> fabio_cc,\n<fabio_cc> dextm80, quindi se premi i tasti direzionali non ti permette di scegliere alcuna voce\n<dextm80> no +è fermo su grub>\n<dextm80> linea di comando\n<fabio_cc> ah va al prompt\n<dextm80> si\n<fabio_cc> ma sicuro che non ci siano messaggi di errore prima? dovresti mandare una foto della schermata\n<fabio_cc> !image\n<ubot-it> Carica un'immagine su http://prnt.sc/ o https://imgur.com/ e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.\n<dextm80> no nessun messaggio di errore\n<dextm80> ora la carico\n<dextm80> http://prntscr.com/jn9eoe\n<dextm80> fabio_cc, ecco qui\n<dextm80> si blocca immediatamente su questa schermata\n<fabio_cc> si visto\n<fabio_cc> dextm80, io per adesso mi devo assentare, magari continua ad aiutarti qualcun altro. Intanto potresti avviare in live e fare un controllo delle partizioni con gparted e magari controllare i dati SMART dell'hard disk tramite l'applicazione Dischi\n<dextm80> ok\n<fabio_cc> per quanto riguarda gli ultimi aggiornamenti, sarebbe utile se ti ricordassi quali pacchetti sono stati aggionrati\n<fabio_cc> *aggiornati\n<dextm80> purtroppo non ricordo\n<dextm80> forse l'unica cosa che rimane è formattare :|\n<kiokoman> dextm80: l'unica cosa che mi viene in mente che possa impedire l'avvio e' la manomissione di /etc/fstab oppure si e' aggiornato / installato male grub\n<kiokoman> dextm80: potresti avviare il sistema live da una chiavetta o cd e riparare grub\n<Mr_Pan> !ripristino\n<ubot-it> Per ripristinare un sistema danneggiato: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/RipristinoInstallazione\n<matthewstar> novita'?\n<matthewstar> ciao tutti\n#ubuntu-it 2019-05-20\n<finduz> salve, ho un problema con l'audio... ad ogni avvio la barra è a metà volume e ogni volta la devo massimizzare\n<finduz> come posso fare affichè parta sempre al max?\n<Taralla92> Salve, vorrei sapere come fare una volta installato ubuntu per collegare il mio iphone a pc ed effettuare poi backup, grazie\n<ilBarde> qualcuno online?\n<Mr_Pan> che fretta\n<Mr_Pan> 1 minuto esatto\n<Fr2000> Salve, desidero sapere i requisiti di sistema per installare ubuntu. Grazie\n<Carlin0> 54 secondi ...\n#ubuntu-it 2019-05-21\n<sponsor> Non esiste un boot repair per Ubuntu 19.04 ? Devo aggiunfere un boot di Windows Server 2008 std.\n<Carlin0> sponsor, se dai sudo update-grub lo vede ?\n#ubuntu-it 2019-05-22\n<Mister6339> Ciao a tutti. Ho installato il 19.04 ma si blocca in fase di avvio. I pallini si accendono ma non si avvia.\n<lucarrettte> buonasera chiedo quale ubuntu mi consigliate di istallare su un vecchio hompc con pentium 2,8ghz 1 giga di ram 80Hd\n#ubuntu-it 2019-05-23\n<laura> cctt\n<Guest82752> scusate dovrei aggiornare live su un a pennetta per accedee home banking in quanto il browesere salvato è obsoleto posso aggiornarlo o devo riscaricare\n<prusso> salve devo aggiungere un boot di Windows Server 2003 std r32 in Ubuntu 19.04 disco Dingo desktop.\n<federico> salve, ho installato ubuntu e poi ho riavviato il pc ma mi esce una cosa strana. Vi allego la foto di quello che mi esce. Grazie https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/tdSpk2XSTFWFVGPOV269?signature=2e5c9c0d2308cfb2ed4b9ca14d6df87e2959a6b3a57ebc1e13ac91df89b040fb&policy=eyJleHBpcnkiOjE1NTg2MTg4MDB9\n<Carlin0> prusso, ti avevo già chiesto : hai provato a dare nel terminale il comando sudo update-grub ?\n<Mr_Pan> federico per favoro non entrare qui e in chat con 2 nick diversi chiedendo la stessa cosa ..\n<Mr_Pan> federico, e´rimasto bloccato cosi´ ?\n<federico> scusami avevo sbagliato è la prima volta che uso questa chat\n<federico> comunque si. è rimasto bloccato cosi che devo fare?\n<Carlin0> federico, che versione di ubuntu ?\n<federico> 18.04.2 LTS\n<Carlin0> cmq quello è lo spegnimento non l'avvio\n<federico> in pratica ho installato ubuntu da chiavetta facendo tutti i passaggi ..... quando installo ubuntu al termine dell'installazione mi chiede di riavviare il pc , schiaccio riavvia ora e dopo un po esce quello che vi avevo mandato in foto. che devo fare?\n<Carlin0> hai provato a forzare lo spegnimento ?\n<Carlin0> federico, come hai preparato la chiavetta ?\n<federico> si ho provato. riaccendo il pc e mi esce il grub, seleziono ubuntu mi chiede di inserire la password per entrare e poi si blocca\n<federico> ho usato rufus per la chiavetta\n<Carlin0> federico, che scheda video ha il pc ? che cpu ? quanta ram ?\n<federico> nvidia 1050, intel i7, 8gb ram\n<Carlin0> il problema al 99% è quella scheda video\n<federico> cioè\n<Mr_Pan> i driver ...\n<Carlin0> federico, prova così all'avvio quando sei al menù di grub premi e poi cerca una riga che inizia con linux e aggiungi al fondo la parola nomodeset , quindi premi f10 per avviare con la modifica\n<federico> ho fatto questo ed è partito. Poi ho riavviato, è entrato, ho messo la password e non mi esce più niente\n<federico> nel senso che si è bloccato di nuovo\n<Carlin0> dammi 2 minuti che sistemiamo definitivamente , intanto riavvia in quel modo\n<Carlin0> ma devi aspettare che so incasinato\n<federico> si ho riavviato come hai detto tu ed è andato. Poi ho spento e riacceso ma si blocca di nuovo. ogni volta che accendo devo mettere nomodeset?\n<federico> aspetto non ci sono problemi, grazie della disponibilità \n<Carlin0> avvia in quel modo e poi aspetti un attimo\n<Carlin0> se riavvii perdi la impostazione\n<federico> ho avviato in quel modo. ho usato un po ubuntu e poi ho spento. l'ho riacceso e si blocca di nuovo\n<federico> ogni volta che accendo il pc devo mettere nomodeset?\n<Carlin0> leggi cosa ti scrivo ...\n<Carlin0> oppure avvia in quel modo e poi installa i driver proprietari\n<Carlin0> !nvidia | federico leggi la guida\n<ubot-it> federico leggi la guida: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/Nvidia\n<federico> io ho fatto come hai detto tu cioè .......poi cerca una riga che inizia con linux e aggiungi al fondo la parola nomodeset , quindi premi f10 per avviare con la modifica..... e ubuntu è partito. Dopo un po ho spento il pc per vedere se quando riaccendo il pc e apro ubuntu funzione bene ma invece si blocca\n<Carlin0> 16:01 <Carlin0> se riavvii perdi la impostazione\n<federico> e quindi ogni volta che spengo e accendo il pc perdo tutto?\n<federico> e ogni volta devo mettere l'impostazione nomodeset?\n<Carlin0> federico, ma leggi cosa ti scrivo ?\n<federico> avvio in quel modo e installo i driver\n<Carlin0> ok ... bravo\n<federico> ok grazie mille problema risoltoù\n<federico> dovevo impostare i driver sulla scheda grafica\n<Guest65217> ciao, avrei bisogno di supporto tecnico\n<Carlin0> !chiedi | Guest65217\n<ubot-it> Guest65217: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà \n<Guest65217> HO uno scanner Epson v550, ho installato tutti i driver, con il comando scanimage --L mi riconosce lo scanner ma nel momento in cui apro i programmi non mi rileva alcuno scanner, perchè?\n<Carlin0> simplescan non lo vede ?\n<Guest65217> NO\n<Carlin0> hai provato anche con xsane ?\n<David77> buonasera a tutti! l'unica maniera di avere il play store ufficiale di android su ubuntu è quello di installare Andorid Studio? grazie\n#ubuntu-it 2019-05-24\n<sergio1968> buongionro. qualcuno online?\n<sergio1968> da un paio di giorni ho un problema che ho finanche difficoltà a descrivere per cui cerco lumi\n<sergio1968> quando apro qualunque programma la finestra è disegnata a partire dalle coordinate 0,0 per cui il titolo finisce sotto la barra di stato e non si riesce a spostare\n<imbel> Ciao ragazzi,\n<imbel> ho un problema con l'hdmi, il monitor collegato al laptop dice che non c'è alcun segnale, nelle impostazioni di ubuntu non trova alcun dispositivo collegato e se do xrandr da terminale non mi torna alcuna info sull'hdmi\n<imbel> sto usando ubuntu 18.04\n<[Enrico]> imbel: potrebbe essere il cavo rotto\n<imbel> Enrico funzionava con l'altro laptop\n<imbel> @Enrico\n<[Enrico]> imbel: da quanto non usi l'altro laptop? Puoi provare i due laptop uno di fila all'altro?\n<imbel> non lo uso da ieri\n<imbel> ora provo\n<[Enrico]> ok improbabile che il cavo si sia rotto tra ieri e oggi\n<[Enrico]> forse è il connettore del laptop che non funziona?\n<[Enrico]> mi sembra difficile che il monitor non venga nemmeno rilevato\n<imbel> il laptop è praticamente nuovo\n<[Enrico]> poi oddio ci sono configurazioni hardware strane forte, tipo alcune varianti di nvidia optimus, che sono semplicemente un incubo\n<[Enrico]> imbel: se è un laptop nuovo forse ti conviene provare ubuntu 19.04 e vedere se va meglio. Prova semplicemente la live e vedi se il monitor viene visto\n<imbel> dettaglio che non ho detto, ho disattivato la gpu nvidia, che dava troppi problemi\n<[Enrico]> imbel: quindi è un setup optimus. che marca di laptop? conta che la HDMI potrebbe essere connessa alla scheda nvidia (errore fatale da parte del produttore), quindi disattivando la nvidia la porta non funziona\n<imbel> con l'altra funziona\n<imbel> allora il laptop è un acer aspire 7\n<[Enrico]> imbel: quale altra? altra cosa?\n<[Enrico]> ah l'altra GPU :)\n<imbel> acer aspire 7 è quello sul quale sto riscontrando i problemi\n<[Enrico]> si le intel funzionano benissimo, anche le AMD non vanno male. Le nvidia sono molto penose\n<imbel> scusami volevo dire con l'altro (altro laptop)\n<[Enrico]> imbel: si ma l'altro laptop ha una configurazione hardware diversa\n<[Enrico]> molto probabilmente\n<imbel> è un hp probook con la gpu della intel\n<[Enrico]> imbel: temo che l'unico modo di far funzionare la porta HDMI per un laptop in cui questa è connessa alla scheda nvidia sia abilitare la scheda nvidia e installare i driver proprietari nvidia\n#ubuntu-it 2019-05-25\n<gippo> salve\n<perr-paranoic> Ciao per cambiare le impostazioni di stampa da colore a B/N posso farlo solo da localhost:631 dal menù grafico non mi fa cambiare... forse è un problema di permessi?\n<davide> salve\n<davide> come faccio a saper che versione di pyton o\n<davide> nessuno\n<Carlin0> davide, che versione di ubuntu usi ?\n<davide> 19.04\n<Carlin0> dpkg -l | grep python\n<davide> grazie\n<Carlin0> dovrebbe essere la 2.7.16\n<davide> perfetto\n<davide> router fritz 7490 parametri voip tim dove li trovo\n<Carlin0> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<davide> scusate\n<davide_> exit\n<bumba> ciao , ho un problema evince mi da sempre errore di segmentazione\n#ubuntu-it 2020-05-18\n<guest81> ciao ho questo portatile\n<guest81> https://www.bytecno.it/asus-f402sa-wx164t-1-6ghz-n3060-14-1366-x-768pixels-bianco.html\n<guest81> quale linux posso mettere\n<guest81> ???\n<Gian> Buongiorno\n<Gian> come si regola la frequenza dello schermo sul portatile da 100h a 60h\n<Gian> il monitor balla l'immagine se si muove\n<Gian> e mio figlio deve fare i compiti e gli da fastidio agli occhi\n<Gian> sono andato su schermi ma si può solo cambiare la risoluzione e non la frequenza hertz\n<Gian> sperando che sia quello il problema\n<pc-ale> Buona giornata a tutti. Ho un problema con ubuntu mate 20.04 installato su pc msi gp62 6qf Leopard pro: il touchpad non funziona. Qualcuno può aiutarmi? Grazie\n<Gian> scusate se presto\n<Gian> uso ubuntu 18 lts\n<guest81> quale ubuntu posso mettere\n<Mr_Pan> guest81, direi Xubuntu\n<Mr_Pan> hai 4 gb di ram ma celeron come processore\n<Mr_Pan> Gian, spiegati meglio\n<Gian> lo schermo non è stabile\n<Mr_Pan> Gian, fermo restando che 100Hz é meglio di 60Hz ....\n<Mr_Pan> se lo schermo supporta i 100 Hz\n<Gian> si ho letto anch io ma non so dove si può cambiare\n<Gian> se muovo lo schermo del portatile lui farfalla\n<Mr_Pan> Gian, spiega per bene non ti seguo\n<sardonico> sei sicuro che supporti i 100hz? gli lcd al 99% sono a 60hz\n<Mr_Pan> iinfatti é quello che cercavo di capire\n<Gian> ho letto che il farfalla dello schermo può essere dato dalla frequenza\n<Gian> non so che frequenza ho\n<Mr_Pan> !dettagli\n<ubot-it> Per ricevere assistenza tecnica, per favore indica: Versione di Ubuntu o derivata, CPU (marca e modello), quantitativo di RAM, Scheda Video (marca e modello), se notebook, il modello preciso, se presente UEFI (vedi anche !uefi), fa una completa panoramica del problema riscontrato, postando il pastebin (vedi !pastebin) di eventuali comandi in questione.\n<Gian> dalle impostazioni non trovo la frequenza\n<Gian> 18 lts\n<Mr_Pan> e'ubn laptop --- e'un desktop ... .?!?!?!\n<Gian> hp pavilion dv6\n<Gian> intel core i5 memoria 3.6 gib disco 314gb\n<sardonico> che modello e che scheda video ha?\n<Gian> grafica intel ironlake mobile\n<Gian> cosi dice la schermata di ubuntu 18.04.4 lts\n<Gian> per sapere meglio le caratteristiche del portatile qual è il comando da terminale?\n<Gian> display Madison [Mobility Radeon HD 5650/575\n<Gian> è un portatile\n<sardonico> Gian: che versione hai installato? 32 o 64 bit? è più probabile che sia un problema di driver?\n<Gian> 64\n<Gian> come posso risolvere?\n<pc-ale> A ri-ciao a tutti. à da ieri che chiedo aiuto per il mio touchpad (che non funge da quando ho installato ubuntu 20.04). Qualcuno può aiutarmi per favore?\n<Mr_Pan> pc-ale> dettagli ...\n<pc-ale> grazie! Ubuntu Mate 20.04 su pc msi gp62 6qf Leonard Pro. Funge tutto benissimo tranne il touchpad\n<pc-ale> ho provato a seguire questa una guida ufficiale https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Periferiche ma non sono riuscito\n<Mr_Pan> pc-ale> esist eun bug aperto dal 2016 >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1584479 ultimo messaggio dice di avere la soluzione\n<ubot-it> Launchpad bug 1584479 in linux \"[MSI GP72 6QE Leopard Pro] acpi=off required to boot\" [Low,Incomplete]\n<Mr_Pan> leggi tutto il opost\n<Mr_Pan> *post\n<pc-ale> Ok, grazie. Mi documento poi se serve riscrivo. Cmq ho installato con acpi=off settato\n<pc-ale> altrimenti non l'installazione si bloccava\n<pc-ale> Ho scorso il post (che è in inglese e non lo comprendo così a fondo) e sono arrivato alla possibile soluzione proposta per la 19.10: \"remove pnp_acpi=off and add acpi_iso=Linux\". Chiedo: da dove lo rimuovo e da dove setto l'altro parametro? Grazie\n<Carlin0> pc-ale, hai risolto ?\n<Gamba> Buon pomeriggio a Voi\n<Gamba> con chi sto parlando?\n<Gamba> Devo cambiare rinnovare il mio pc Laptop e non vorrei + sottostare a Windows per tante ragioni anche morali\n<Carlin0> !chat | Gamba\n<ubot-it> Gamba: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Gamba> a chi devo rivolgermi per un consiglio su ubuntu?\n<Gamba> con ubuntu ho limiti di operatività ?\n<sardonico> ti hanno consigliato di passare sul canale #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Carlin0> Gamba, qui solo supporto\n<Gamba> ok grazie scusa Buon pomeriggio\n<Giuffro> Buongiorno, avrei bisogno di un supporto per il mio Notebook. Ho installato molto tempo fa la versione Ubuntu MATE in dualboot con il Widnows 10 già presente. Poi per mancanza di tempo non l'ho più utilizzata. L'altro giorno volevo riprenderla e ho notato che non mi si carica ma dopo circa 1 minuto e 1/2 di \"A start job is running for ...\" mi rende\n<Giuffro> disponibile solo la maintenance mode..\n<wilfred> Ho usato per circa 2 mesi Ubuntu 10.... oggi ha ciesto di fare l'aggiornamento al 20.04 e poi non sono più riuscito ad avviarlo. Come posso fare?\n<max1> salve gente ho installato la nuova 20.04 ma ho riscontrato un problema con i3... se uso GNOME come DE non ho alcun problema, ma con i3 alcune e sottolineo alcune applicazioni come pidigin o doublecommander hanno problemi di font, ho privato a sistemare con lxappearance o gnome-tweaks, ma ovviamente se cambio dimensione del font la cambia per tutte le app anche per quelle che non davano problemi. insomma sembra che la coperta sia tr\n<max1> oppo corta e dove tiro da un lato poi scopro l'altro. oltre a lasciar perdere i3 cosa potrei fare? grazie gente :)\n#ubuntu-it 2020-05-19\n<Peppe46> Salve a tutti avrei di biosgno di un consiglio. Ho installato su un vecchio notebook con Intel Celeron Processor M560 e 2gb di ram, ubuntu 20.04 ma non gira velocissimo ovviamente. Vorrei installare una versione più leggera, ho guardato un po le derivate ma ho un po di confusione, cosa mi consigliereste con questo hardware?\n<Mr_Pan> Peppe46, 2 gb di ram direi Xubuntu o Lubuntu\n<Carlin0> Peppe46, xubuntu o lubuntu\n<Peppe46> la differenza sostanziale tra i 2?\n<Mr_Pan> la parte grafica ... lubuntu é la piu leggera in assoluto\n<Mr_Pan> xubuntu (xfce) e'una via di mezzo\n<Carlin0> Peppe46, sei sicuro del modelo di cpu ?\n<Mr_Pan> celeron 560 ha scritto\n<Mr_Pan> ah M ... uhmm\n<Peppe46> HP Compaq 6720s Intel Celeron Processor M560\n<Mr_Pan> e supporta i 64 bit\n<Carlin0> Peppe46, M560 è un i5 mentre celeron 560 è un'altra cosa\n<Peppe46> ma leggevo che con queste derivate avrei una risoluzione video 800x600\n<Mr_Pan> e chi lo dice ?\n<sardonico> si, quella CPU ce l'ho su un Compaq NX6110\n<Mr_Pan> no no avrai la risoluzione che il pc e' in grado di sostenere ...\n<Peppe46> è celeron m560, il notebook è vecchiotto\n<sardonico> la scheda video intel GM965 è ben supportata\n<Peppe46> ah ok, avevo letto questo link https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/RequisitiDiSistema\n<Mr_Pan> m560 celeron single core 64 bit\n<sardonico> non ti aspettare grandi cose ma è usabile\n<sardonico> andrà alla risoluzione del pannello del notebook\n<Mr_Pan> Peppe46, requisti minimi e consigliati ...\n<Peppe46> ok, ma comunque gira anke ubuntu classico 20.04 ma ovviamente non velocissimo\n<Mr_Pan> Peppe46, pesantuccio con 2 gb di ram e quel processore\n<Carlin0> ma con gnome è un chiodo di sicuro\n<Mr_Pan> con xubuntu/lubuntu la macchina sará LEGGERMENTE piú reattiva\n<sardonico> usando Firefox al posto di Chrome\n<Peppe46> e l'ultima curiosità , ma kubuntu invece usa le stesse risorse di ubuntu classico?\n<sardonico> KDE è leggermente più leggero, quasi come XFCE\n<Carlin0> kubuntu IMHO è pesante per quel hardware\n<sardonico> troppo comunque per quella configurazione\n<Mr_Pan> giá\n<Peppe46> ok ragazzi, grazie mille, siete stati gentilissimi\n<Peppe46> proverò xubuntu\n<Mr_Pan> ok ci trovi qui nel caso\n<Carlin0> KDE se parte akonadi non è molto leggero :P\n<xubu> ciao a tutti\n<xubu> qualcuno paziente ,considerata la mia inesperienza potrebbe fornirmi un aiuto ?\n<xubu> avevo installato l 'ultima versione 32 bit di xubuntu , ieri ho fatto un aggiornamento e adesso mi risulta la stampante inattiva\n<xubu> ho eseguito vari tentativi ma nulla\n<xubu> la rileva ,stampa anche la pagina prova , ma torna inattiva\n<xubu> è collegata con usb\n<eeepcasus> non ho più il disco di ripristino di ubuntu e vorrei sapere quale versione di ubuntu installare sul mio Asus Eee Pc 1215P-BLK001U . Vi ringrazio anticipatamente.\n<Carlin0> !ramcpu | eeepcasus\n<ubot-it> eeepcasus: indica marca e modello esatti di CPU e VGA (scheda video) più la quantità di RAM presente\n<eeepcasus> Eee PC Seashell series cpu N570 1.66 GHz 167 GHz (Dual Core) ram 2,00 GB - scheda video Intel GMedia Accelerator 3150.\n<Carlin0> eeepcasus, luubntu o xubuntu al massimo\n<Carlin0> ops ...\n<Carlin0> eeepcasus, lubuntu o xubuntu al massimo\n<Carlin0> !derivate\n<ubot-it> http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/flavours - http://www.ubuntu-it.org/derivate - https://www.ubuntu-it.org/download/derivate\n<eeepcasus> Voi cosa mi consiggliate?\n<Carlin0> uno dei 2 , xubuntu è più completo lubuntu più minimale e leggero\n<eeepcasus> grazie tante!!!!\n<Kerd> Buonasera ragazzi, ho una domanda: sto su ubuntu 20.04 e da poco quando mi guardo un video in streaming dopo diciamo 30 minuti si blocca tutto\n<Kerd> qualche idea del perché ?\n#ubuntu-it 2020-05-20\n<dani98> buongiorno\n<max4> salve gente sono su 20.04, sapreste indicarmi il file che si occupa delle notifiche a schermo devo cambiare il font. ho un problema con le app in gtk-2. ho editato .gtkrc-2.0 ed ho risolto tranne che per le notifiche che rimangono ancora troppo piccole e ineleggibili. grazie\n<harleyros> salve a tutti avrei un problema con l installazione di lubuntu... ho scaricato le due versioni quella da 20 e quella da 18.. ho fatto la chiavetta usb avviabile ma ogni volta che faccio partire il bios dalla chiavetta mi da un problema diverso.. sto provando anche un altra chiavetta comunque i problemi che mi si sono presntati fino ad adesso sono\n<harleyros> bootimgr mancante e error loading operation system\n<harleyros> qualcuno potrebbe dirmi cosa fare ?\n<harleyros> anche ubuntu ,mate ma anche questo mi da lo stesso errore\n<avvaldo> non riesco a installare lubuntu 18.04 32 bit\n<avvaldo> mi dice: unable to boot please use appropriate kernel for your cpu\n<avvaldo> cosa devo fare? grazie\n<Mr_Pan> avvaldo> che processore hai nel pc ?\n<Mr_Pan> sicuro di avere la versione 32 bit scaricata ?\n<Mr_Pan> non dovrebbe darti quell'errore\n<Carlin0> infatti se dice quello sta usando la 64 su un pc 32\n<sator11> Ciao\n<sator11> è connesso qualcuno che possa darmi una mano?\n<sator11> ho un problema con Ubuntu 20.04 lts che non rileva in alcun modo la webcam del laptop\n#ubuntu-it 2020-05-21\n<piero> buongiorno sto scaricando ubunto 20 dal vostro sito io ho installato il 19.20 e ho inserito un dvd per copiarlo mi spiegate la procedura\n<piero> e' poco tempo non sono tanto esperto su questo sistema operativo\n<piero> 20.04 deskop\n<piero> c'e' qualcuno che mi guida\n<Tivoli> buongiorno, ho installato minitube. Trovava i video ma non li visualizzava\n<shad3> ciao a tutti\n<shad3> qualcuno operativo?\n<groudon_> ma perchè ho bisogno di gnome-shell?\n<Mr_Pan> groudon_, ?\n<groudon_> Mr_Pan, tu usi il xfce o gnome3?\n<Mr_Pan> xfce\n<groudon_> gnome-shell mi sembra stare la merda. Perchè gli genti usano gnome3?\n<Mr_Pan> groudon_, non so chiedi a loro ...\n<Kekko> Buongiorno. Avrei una domanda stupida\n<Mr_Pan> Kekko, bnessuna domanda é stupida\n<Kekko> ho installato ubuntu su un HP 550. In poche parole come faccio ad abilitare la low graphic mode visto che non sembra gestire bene la grafica pesante di ubuntu 20.04? in 16.10 si poteva fare da gcomplitz ma ora non c'è questa opzione\n<groudon_> Mr_Pan, io lo uso perche non so niente da linux\n<Kekko> io ho sempre usato linux in ambito sever\n<Kekko> (debian )\n<Carlin0> Kekko, forse conviene anche a te passare a una derivata più leggera tipo xubuntu\n<Kekko> però in ambito desktop so poco e niente, infatti spesso opero da terminale per abitudine\n<Kekko> @Carlin0 come detto sopra per l'ambito desktop vorrei utilizzare Unity come interfaccia. volendo potrei disabilitare su questa stessa installazione di ubuntu l'interfaccia grafica e sostituirla con xfce, ma vorrei mantenere l'ambiente grafico corrente\n<Carlin0> Kekko, la 20.04 non ha unity , è gnome shell\n<Kekko> pensavo fosse unity\n<groudon_> unity mi sembra morto\n<Carlin0> unity è stato abbandonato da canonical\n<Kekko> comunque grnome shell non ha una low graphic mode?\n<Mr_Pan> mi sembra di no\n<groudon_> gnome3 ha gnomeflashback\n<Carlin0> eh non saprei ... non lo uso\n<Mr_Pan> ma io uso xfce quindi non so al 100%\n<Kekko> cioè ho notato che windows 10 va meglio di ubuntu su questo pc. Chiariamoci, non è scattante come su un pc nuovo ma si lavora\n<groudon_> Kekko, si perche stai usando il gnome-shell\n<Kekko> ubuntu 20.04 dovrebbe usare con tutto chiuso 550mb ram\n<Mr_Pan> Kekko, come ha scritto Carlin0 forse hai scelto la distro sbaglaiata per quel tipo di hw ...\n<Mr_Pan> una xubuntu sarebbe stata piú indicata\n<Kekko> @Mr_Pan mi immaginavo che xubuntu o lubuntu sarebbe andata meglio per questo pc. Installai lubuntu un paio di anni fa su un fisso con 256mb di ram e un vecchio processore amd e andava fluidissimo, anche in navigazione\n<Kekko> comunque un pc del 98\n<Carlin0> gnome è il DE più pesante in assoluto\n<Mr_Pan> Kekko, quanta ram ? processore?\n<Mr_Pan> 98?!?! OMG!\n<Kekko> Questo hp ha 3gb di ram ddr2 e un intel celeron\n<Kekko> il portatile è del 2008\n<Mr_Pan> ahhhh avevi scritto 98 sopra...\n<Kekko> considerate che questo è uno dei pochi portatili che ha il processore sostituibile\n<Mr_Pan> anche il mio t420 ha il processore sostituibile\n<Carlin0> diciamo che gnome ci gira ma tu hai ben visto come\n<Kekko> noo ahhaha il pc del 98 era un fisso che ho buttato e aveva 256mb di ram e ci misi lubuntu ahhhaha\n<Mr_Pan> Kekko, xubuntu o lubuntu sono le distro per te\n<Carlin0> a dopo ...\n<Mr_Pan> Kekko, il problema non é tanto la distro ma con poca ram come apri una pagina web si inchioda tutto\n<Carlin0> Kekko, o ubuntu mate che è anche leggerino essndo un fork di gnome 2\n<Kekko> infatti mia madre ha lo stesso hp ma con il processore dual core e ci si può mettere un T9000(mi pare si chiami così il processore più potente installabile su questa macchina))\n<Mr_Pan> !derivate\n<ubot-it> http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/flavours - http://www.ubuntu-it.org/derivate - https://www.ubuntu-it.org/download/derivate\n<Kekko> fosse per me ci avrei messo debian 9 però considerando che lo devo usare per navigare e lavorarci un p'ò anche l'occhio vuole la sua parte\n<Mr_Pan> Kekko, anche Budgie ha un DE leggero\n<Kekko> stavo vedendo\n<Kekko> quindi non si possono ridurre le animazioni su fossa\n<Kekko> Budgie richiama molto lo stile Apple\n<Mr_Pan> si\n<Kekko> sembra carino\n<Camuzzoland> Buongiorno a tutti, sono un utilizzatore di ubuntu poco esperto...\n<Kekko> Buongiorno\n<Kekko> comunque l'ultima cosa da fare è vedere se effettivamente sono stati installati i driver corretti o comunque se sono stati selezionati\n<Camuzzoland> ho un notebook hp con Intel® Core⢠i5-2450M CPU @ 2.50GHz à 4, e 3,8 GiB di mem, dite che lubutu 20.04 LTS girerà bene sul mio computer?\n<Kekko> si, vai tranquillo\n<Camuzzoland> grazie\n<Kekko> sto usando ubuntu che è il più pesante su un portatile con un intel celeron 1 core 3gb di ram ddr2 e grafica intel integrata\n<Kekko> lubuntu gira anche su 512mb di ram\n<Camuzzoland> ah ok\n<Kekko> anche se ti consiglio vivamente di installare ubuntu piuttosto che lubuntu, specialmente se sei alle prime armi con linux. Ha una grafica più semplice e comprensibile\n<Camuzzoland> LTS vuol dire aggiornamenti per 5 anni?\n<Kekko> LTS = Long Term Support\n<Camuzzoland> bè ti dirò che preferisco una grafica \"minimale\" tipo lubuntu... mi interessano leggerezza e funzionalità \n<Kekko> ah bene\n<Kekko> vi saluto ragazzi\n<Camuzzoland> ciao e grazie\n<Mr_Pan> Camuzzoland, si lubuntu va bene con quella config\n<Mr_Pan> Camuzzoland, una via di mezzo potrebbe essere Xubuntu o Budgie\n<Camuzzoland> lubuntu a parte la veste grafica essenziale, che per me è un pregio, ha delle limitazioni a livello di funzionalità rispetto ad esempio ad ubuntu?\n<Mr_Pan> Camuzzoland> no le funzioni sono sempre le stesse cambia solo la parte grafica ma il \"dietro\" é comune a tutte le distro\n<paul65> ciao .. vorrei installare lubuntu 18 sun un EEEPC che ha un SSD da 4g ed un hdd da 16 ... mettere la \"/\" ed il boot su SSD e home su hd .. potebbe andare ?\n<groudon_> paul65, si\n<paul65> devo fare anche la parti er il boot su SSD o la m fa gia lui ... ? idem per SWAP ?\n<groudon_> paul65, forse 4g è troppo picolo\n<paul65> quello era il mio dubbio .. ma non trovo distro pi piccole\n<groudon_> prova con xubuntu o lubuntu\n<groudon_> swap solo sulla hdd\n<paul65> mi riferivo a LUBUNTU infatti\n<paul65> groudon_: ma devo partizionarla la swap?\n<paul65> pensavo la creasse lui\n<groudon_> devi fare una partizione swap\n<paul65> 200 per il boot vanno bene?\n<groudon_> anche forse è meglio a metter /var sul hdd o tmpfs\n<paul65> rientro in chat dalla live .. osso postare uno screens hot della partizione ?\n<groudon_> 200 per il boot vanno bene\n<Carlin0> 200 cosa ?\n<groudon_> 200MB\n<Carlin0> per efi ...\n<groudon_> paul65, poi*\n<paul65> eccommi\n<paul65> dalla live di lubuntu non ho app per screenshot :\n<paul65> cmq SDA :\n<paul65> sda: sda1 /boot 200M; sda5 / 3,8g ext4\n<paul65> sdb : sdb1 /var 2g ext; sdb 2 /home 14g\n<Carlin0> paul65, non fare la /boot separata\n<paul65> la cancello e selezione il boot da sda ? come chiede la GUI?\n<Carlin0> tu confondi /boot e efi\n<Carlin0> non fare la partizione di /boot\n<paul65> ok su sda solo \"/\" ?\n<Carlin0> e cmq temo che 4 gb siano pochi\n<paul65> che cosa potrei installare ?\n<paul65> Carlin0: temo anch'io\n<paul65> a parte le live tipo puppy o altre .. perche vorrei un OS installato .. pensavo di usare la macchian come cold wallet per BTC e non collegarlo mai piu alla rete\n<paul65> quindi una volta che ho installato Electrum non mi servira granchè+\n<groudon_> paul65, io credo che è bene cosi\n<paul65> groudon_: vediamo sto installando\n#ubuntu-it 2020-05-22\n<luca951> ciao ragazzi avete un sito, non bloccato, dove si possono scaricare i torrent\n<Mr_Pan> !torrent\n<ubot-it> Per scaricare la propria versione di Ubuntu o derivata, è preferibile usare i torrent: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/DownloadTorrent | Per sapere come usare i torrent: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/InternetRete/Condivisione/Transmission\n<Mr_Pan> !warez\n<ubot-it> questo non è un canale per scaricare o di condivisione di contenuti\n<Mr_Pan> luca951> gli unici torrent che pui scaricare da noi sono quelli relativi alle varie distro\n<luca951> ma se volessi scaricare dei libri o della musica\n<Angelo> sì\n<Angelo> ciao a tutti\n<Angelo> Ho un problema con il mio pc abbastanza datato\n<Carlin0> luca951, pagala la musica\n<Angelo> si tratta di hp compaq nx7300\n<Carlin0> !cpuram | Angelo\n<ubot-it> Angelo: indica marca e modello esatti di CPU e VGA (scheda video) più la quantità di RAM presente\n<Angelo> ok\n<Angelo> è un intel celeron M CPU 430\n<Angelo> 1.73 GHz\n<Angelo> 1.5 GB di RAM sistema a 32 bit\n<Angelo> quando installo ubuntu non mi riconosce la scheda WiFi. Da cosa può dipendere? Grazie\n<Carlin0> ma supporta il 64 bit\n<Angelo> no\n<Carlin0> si almeno così dice intel ........\n<Carlin0> https://ark.intel.com/content/www/it/it/ark/products/29735/intel-celeron-processor-430-512k-cache-1-80-ghz-800-mhz-fsb.html\n<Carlin0> Angelo, che ubuntu usi ? che scheda wifi ?\n<Angelo> ubuntu a 64 non me lo fa installare\n<Carlin0> forse allora la cpu non è quella\n<Angelo> strano\n<Angelo> mi da un problema sul kernel\n<Carlin0> Angelo, che ubuntu usi ? che scheda wifi ?\n<Angelo> adesso non ricordo bene l'errore\n<Angelo> te lo dico subito\n<Angelo> allora ubuntu volevo utilizzare l'ultimo 20.04 lts\n<Angelo> wifi\n<Mr_Pan> Angelo inizia a dirci che sk wireless monta il pc ... apri Terminale e scrivi\n<Angelo> una broadcom 802.11g\n<Mr_Pan> sudo lshw -C network\n<Mr_Pan> modello esatot\n<Mr_Pan> con la stringa che ti ho dato devi vedere sotto wireless interface\n<Angelo> si ok appena reinstallo ubuntu ve lo dico\n<Angelo> adesso sto su windows nello stesso pc\n<Angelo> sapete dove posso trovare informazioni più dettagliate dell scheda wifi in ambiente windows\n<Angelo> ?\n<Carlin0> cmq (forse) basta installare i driver , ma Angelo sul quel pc evita ubuntu , installa una derivata più leggera\n<Angelo> si infatti\n<Angelo> quale mi consigli\n<Carlin0> lubuntu\n<Carlin0> hai una cpu veramente scarsa e poca ram\n<Angelo> si lo so. Ma sto facendo degli esperimenti per decidere se buttarlo definivamente o se può avere ancora qualche chance\n<Angelo> ok metterò lubuntu ma ricordo che anche facendo l'aggiornamento del driver non riuscivo a vedere la lista degli hot-spot\n<Angelo> appena installo vi faccio vedere cosa succede in diretta...\n<Angelo> che differenza c'è tra lubuntu alternate e desktop\n<Carlin0> alternate ha installer non grafico\n<Angelo> a ok\n<Angelo> grazie\n<Carlin0> !invio\n<ubot-it> Per non essere buttato fuori dal bot non spezzettare una frase su piu' righe. Non utilizzare il ritorno a capo come punteggiatura.\n<gio1711> Ciao,ho bisogno di una consulenza, per un problema con il dual boot\n<Carlin0> !chiedi | gio1711\n<ubot-it> gio1711: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà \n<gio1711> ho installato ubuntu in dual boot, ma se provo ad avviare il pc con windows mi dice che c'è un problema con il boot, ad ubuntu invece riesco ad accedere tranquillamente\n<Carlin0> dovresti rivolgerti ai canali winddows\n<Carlin0> !windows\n<ubot-it> Per ricevere supporto per windows, rivolgersi al canale ##windows\n<gio1711> grazie\n<gio1711> non riesco ad accedere da ubuntu ad un account microsoft istituzionale\n<Guest78778> Salve a tutti, ho un problema con Ubuntu 20.04, provo a ingrandire lo schermo ma ho problemi con la funziona \"scala\"\n<Guest78778> Ho una scheda video NVIDIA\n<Guest78778> Ho \"risolto\" abbassando la risoluzione e mantenendo lo stesso rapporto, però c'è meno definizione\n<Carlo101> Ciao a tutti, spero di non disturbarvi troppo ma avrei bisogno su una delucidazione sul secure boot per l'installazione di Ubuntu\n<Carlo101> Qualcuno è online e potrebbe aiutarmi?\n<Carlo101> Chiedo scusa ma era saltata la connessione\n<Carlo101> Vi lascio qui il problema, vorrei installare Ubuntu 20.04 in dual boot con Windows, ho disattivato l'avvio rapido e il SecureBoot dal BIOS. Avviata l'installazione da chiavetta, nella scheda \"Aggiornamenti e altro software\" ho spuntato la voce \"Installa software di terze parti\", ma mi viene chiesta di creare una password per il Secure Boot. Signifi\n<Carlo101> ca che non l'ho abilitato? E' una cosa normale?\n<Carlo101> Vi ringrazio\n<kar88> ciao ragazzi\n<kar88> ho un problema\n<kar88> il mio notebook è in dual boot ubuntu windows\n<kar88> mi arriva l'aggiornamento alla versione 20.04 dalla 19.10\n<kar88> installo gli aggiornamenti poi riavvio e ubuntu non parte\n<kar88> si riavvia sempre il pc , pero win parte\n<kar88> mi aiutate\n<kar88> eppure il menu del grup appare\n<heolo14> ciao a tutti perché entro a fatica.. come quasi bannato?\n<kranky77> Buonasera a tutti\n<kranky77> ho un problema persistente con l'audio su Linux Mint Mate x64\n<kranky77> l'audio presenta un ronzio ad intermittenza\n<kranky77> che scompare solo quando riproduco qualcosa\n<kranky77> sia con player che sul web\n<kranky77> c'è qualcuno in chat???\n<heolo14> kranky77 è un rumore metallico?\n<kranky77> no\n<kranky77> un ronzio\n<heolo14> ventolio?\n<kranky77> fruscio/ronzio\n<kranky77> che va ad intermittenza\n<kranky77> ripetutamente\n<heolo14> è sicuramente un problema hardware\n<kranky77> dopo qualche secondo da quando riavvio il sistema\n<heolo14> i software non rumoreggiano\n<heolo14> sostituisci di sicuro la ventola\n<kranky77> quale ventola\n<kranky77> sono tutte praticamente nuove\n<heolo14> montate male forse\n<kranky77> e su windows non mi da nessun problema\n<kranky77> no no\n<kranky77> tranquillo\n<kranky77> su windows installato in dual boot nessun problema\n<heolo14> o un problema di frquenza del monitor\n<kranky77> questo non lo avevo considerato\n<heolo14> il computer è uno strumento elettrico che lavora su frquenze\n<kranky77> ok\n<heolo14> diversamente non so cosa può essere ma di certo non è un problema software\n<kranky77> ma come mai su windows non ho questi problemi?\n<kranky77> sarà più sensibile linux?\n<heolo14> i due OS sono diversi\n<heolo14> si\n<kranky77> ok\n<kranky77> e come risolvo ?\n<heolo14> reistalla l'OS rumoroso\n<heolo14> con la N^\n<kranky77> ti dico questo\n<kranky77> ho installato dapprima ubuntu ultima release\n<kranky77> 20.04 x64\n<kranky77> e mi dava lo stesso problema\n<heolo14> trova un altro file della stessa distro\n<kranky77> sicchè poichè mi piace mint ho provato con mint mate\n<kranky77> già usato in passato senza problemi\n<kranky77> l'unica novità che ho upgradato al pc\n<kranky77> sono ssd Samsung evo 860\n<Carlin0> !mint\n<ubot-it> Linux Mint non è una derivata supportata di Ubuntu. Si prega di cercare assistenza in #linuxmint-help server irc.spotchat.org | https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewforum.php?f=65\n<heolo14> diversamente non sapremmo\n<kranky77> è su base Ubuntu\n<kranky77> su\n<heolo14> saprei*\n<kranky77> a chi devo chiedere\n<kranky77> per favore\n<heolo14> se entra qualcuno a qualcun altro\n<kranky77> la chat di mint è praticamente deserta\n<heolo14> io un'idea te lo ho già data\n<heolo14> è un problema di frequenza\n<Carlin0> kranky77, qui solo supporto a ubuntu e derivate ufficiali\n<kranky77> heolo14: ok e ti ringrazio\n<heolo14> ;) a te\n<kranky77> heolo14: ti facevo sol presente che nemmeno un giorno prima c'era Ubuntu 20.04\n<kranky77> e avevo lo stesso problema\n<kranky77> pensando fosse un bug\n<heolo14> no no è un problema tra sistemi hardware\n<kranky77> o problema driver hardware ho voluto provare con mint\n<Carlin0> !chat | kranky77\n<ubot-it> kranky77: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<kranky77> Carlin0: io pensavo che essendo un derivato potevate supportarmi\n<kranky77> Carlin0: un derivato di Ubuntu\n<Carlin0> kranky77, leggi su quello che ho scritto\n<kranky77> Carlin0: ok ho capito\n<kranky77> Carlin0: grazie comunque a chi nonostante tutto mi ha supportato\n<kranky77> heolo14: grazie gentilissimo\n<heolo14> ;)\n<Angelo> salve. Vorrei sapere come faccio a creare una chiavetta esb bootable in ambiente lubuntu. Esiste una applicazione tipo Rufus? Grazie\n<Carlin0> !etcher\n<ubot-it> Etcher è una applicazione per creare usb bootabili su win mac e linux https://www.balena.io/etcher/\n<Angelo> perfetto. Grazie mille\n#ubuntu-it 2020-05-23\n<rocu> giorno! un info per favore, ho formattato una pendrive da 16gb Kingstone, con (dischi) su xubuntu 18.04, all inizio la pennetta la leggeva ecc, dopo la formattazione mi da il seguente errore: 1 su linux non la legge nemmeno(non la vede nemmeno dal terminale) su win inveceappe na inserit a da : D/: nome di directory non valido mentre da esplora ris\n<rocu> orse la vede ma se clicco da :inserire un disco in un unità usb (D :), non riesco nenahce a formattare, appena cerco di formattare diciamo che la espelle in automatico, se qualcuno puo darmi una mano ringrazio in anticipo,,\n<rocu> PS: formattata su lubuntu. 18.04\n<Carlin0> 90% è usurata\n<rocu> ciao Carlin0!! , in che senso? l ho comprate 3 settimane fa, infatti sono 2 pendrive uguali , e tutte e 2 non utilizzabili ne riformattabili dopo la procedura sopracitata\n<Carlin0> fdisk -l la vede ?\n<Carlin0> non la vede da terminale cosa intendi ?\n<rocu> fdisk se intendi (dischi) l utility di lubuntu, ho appena inserito e la vede,\n<rocu> solo che non so come continuare,,\n<Carlin0> no intendo , apri il terminale e scrivi : sudo fdisk -l\n<rocu> ah ok\n<Carlin0> metti quello che esce in pastebin\n<Carlin0> !paste | rocu\n<ubot-it> rocu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale. Incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina.\n<rocu> mi da impossibile aprire dev\n<rocu> provo da super us\n<rocu> si da super user la vede\n<rocu> d\n<rocu> con fdisk - l la vede, oltre alle altre partizione del comp,\n<rocu> come posso rimediare Carlin??\n<Carlin0> se fai vedere anche a me come ti ho chiesto ...\n<rocu> aspettta, sn qui in chat col comp di mio cugino che ha win, arrivo col mio linux,\n<rocu> scusa\n<rocu> s\n<rocu> eccomi carlin\n<rocu> ridò il comando fdisk -l e te lo posto con paste,\n<Carlin0> no\n<Carlin0> sudo fdisk -l\n<rocu> ok\n<rocu> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qPn84RPsQd/\n<rocu> ecco,,\n<Carlin0> perchè hai tagliato ?\n<Carlin0> fai vedere tutto l'output\n<rocu> okk\n<rocu> ecco\n<rocu> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9xMyTQb7QF/\n<Carlin0> neh sembrerebbe che non ha partizioni la chiavetta , forse basta crearne una\n<rocu> come faccio? è un po che sono fuori dall'informatica, e sinceramente non ricordo comandi ecc tutto a memoria, hai consigli??\n<Carlin0> scrivi nel terminale : sudo apt install gparted\n<Carlin0> poi apri gparted (dopo installato) e selezioni la chiavetta , ti apparrà tutto spazio non allocato\n<rocu> sta scaricando\n<rocu> ;)\n<Carlin0> ci clicchi dentr e crei una partizione fat32\n<Carlin0> occhio a non formattare il disco\n<rocu> fat32 non ext4 quindi?\n<rocu> tranquillo xdd\n<Carlin0> la chiavetta va fat32\n<rocu> ok\n<rocu> ci provo, sto avviando gparte\n<Carlin0> in alto a destra selezioni il dev disco/chiavetta\n<rocu> gia fatto provo a reinserir la pendrive,\n<Carlin0> smontala prima di estrarla\n<rocu> fatto, reinserita e mi ricompare spazio non allocato, riprovo a ricreare fat32 e ti dico\n<Carlin0> dopo creata la partizione hai cliccato su applica ? la spunta verde\n<rocu> applica tutte le operazioni mi da,\n<Carlin0> si clicca li\n<rocu> non da spunta verde ma grigia xd,, cmq è questa che intendi\n<rocu> okkk\n<Carlin0> verde grigia , quelle sono cazzatine grafiche\n<rocu> haha\n<rocu> fatto\n<rocu> ora come la smonto da g parted??\n<rocu> perchè nella cartella home ecc non la vede,\n<Carlin0> ci clicchi sulla partizione e vai su smonta\n<Carlin0> se non te lo da vuol dire che è già smontata\n<Carlin0> ok devo andare ma dovresti aver risolto credo .... ciao\n<rocu> grazie carl, ciaoooo\n<rocu> provo da dischi che da gparted nn mi opz smonta,,\n<rocu> se hai mezzo secondo, che dici continuo a usare lubuntu 18.04 o rinstallo 20.04??\n<rocu> s\n<rocu> cmq grz di cuoree\n<rocu> ciaoo\n<rocu> s\n<rocu> s\n<Rommell76> Ciao a tutti\n<Rommell76> Qualcuno ha mail provato ad avviare filezilla pro su ubuntu 18.04 ?\n<alexneckn> Salve,\n<alexneckn> Ho un Vivobook pro nel quale ho in dual boot windows 10 e Ubuntu 18.04. Ormai ho Ubuntu su questo pc da 6 mesi e non mi ha mai creato problemi. Questa mattina andando ad accedere nel mio account Ubuntu dopo aver effettuato il login è apparsa una schermata viola e il pc si è bloccato. Ho letto tutti i consigli sul web ma nessuno sembra funzionare. Q\n<alexneckn> uale soluzioni posso provare?\n<alexneckn> Grazie in anticipo\n<nerone> salve a tutti\n<nerone> avrei bisogno di una mano\n<FFattorini2> Buon pomeriggio, avrei una domanda: ho iniziato ad installare ubuntu 20 sul mio pc, prima c'era una versione precedente, con pennetta USB. Nel desktop della preinstallazione sembra tutto funzionare correttamente, ma quando apro ad esempio firefox non prende più input da tastiera, diversamente se scrivo la password per il wifi funziona correttamente\n<FFattorini2> , consigli?\n<heolo14> portatile?\n<heolo14> laptop?\n<heolo14> o fisso?\n<FFattorini2> portatile\n<FFattorini2> ho provato anche con una tastiera USB e l'effetto è identico, parimenti con la tastiera a schermo, magari essendo nella schermata di preinstallazione è voluto? anche sul terminale non prende input\n<heolo14> manca un driver\n<FFattorini2> ok grazie\n<heolo14> prego\n<lauretta> buonasera\n<lauretta> sono nuova...salve\n<lauretta> qualcuno puo' aiutarmi\n<patrikk1> buona sera ce qualcuno ... avrei bisogno per una informazione tecnica\n<DarckAngel> patrikk1: dica\n<patrikk1> a propositi di connessione hdmi esterno\n<patrikk1> e un po lungo da spiegare posso scrivere qui o in privato?\n<DarckAngel> scrivi chi puo risponde\n<patrikk1> ok\n<patrikk1> Ho acquistato un intel Nuc con monitor esterno con win 10 pro a un prezzo moto conveniente visto che non simpatizzo per Windows e volevo fare un po di prove... volevo installare Ubuntu 20.04 lts e fin qui tutto bene e funzionaâ¦â¦però volevo fare in modo di lasciarlo acceso senza connettere Hdmi cioè senza nessun monitor acceso e con win 10 non da\n<patrikk1> nessun problema (perché volevo raggiungerlo da remoto) il problema che volevo usare ubuntu ma appena sconnetto il cavo Hdmi ubuntu si blocca.. come mai⦠da cosa dipende?\n<DarckAngel> non ho quel dispositivo\n<patrikk1> capisco\n<patrikk1> ma lo fa anche con altri sistemi ?\n<patrikk1> comunque grazie\n<DarckAngel> leggendo ha dei problemi con uscita hdmi\n<patrikk1> esatto\n<DarckAngel> hai provato con altre connessioni?\n<patrikk1> ma il fatto che se lo lascio alimentato e acceso senza usare nessuna connessione video iio lo vado da remoto a chiamare lui e bloccato\n<patrikk1> io non volevo lasciare un monitor acceso\n<DarckAngel> a ragionamento lo dovresti impostare come server nas\n<patrikk1> ubuntu ?\n<patrikk1> non dipende dal bios?\n<DarckAngel> come ripeto non ho mai utilizzato una configurazione del genere\n<DarckAngel> ma per l'utilizzo che ne devi fare tu si\n<patrikk1> si e una situazione un po anomala\n<DarckAngel> se impostato in rete non dovrebbe cambiare nulla se scolleghi il monitor\n<DarckAngel> ma è una supposizione\n<patrikk1> si in effetti\n<patrikk1> comunque grazie mille per la disponibilità \n<DarckAngel> di nulla\n<DarckAngel> patrikk1: prova a disabilitare tutti i rsparmi energetici\n<patrikk1> gia fatto\n<patrikk1> ma non va\n<DarckAngel> da collegato accedi\n<patrikk1> non so se ho capito ... si se e collegato al monito si accende ma come lo sconnetto si blocca e io lo volevo richiamare dall'esterno ma lui e bloccato\n<patrikk1> appena riconnetto hdmi funziona\n<DarckAngel> se i monitor e collegato ti colleghi da altra utenza\n<patrikk1> il fatto che con win funziona\n<patrikk1> infatti mi fa arrabbiare la cosa\n<DarckAngel> sarebbe da fargli vedere un fake monitor XD\n<patrikk1> si infatti\n<DarckAngel> https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeServer/comments/3m9hff/setting_up_a_headless_intel_nuc/\n<DarckAngel> leggi qui\n<patrikk1> ok\n<Angelo> Salve. Sto provando lubuntu su un netbook hp mini 210 che è un 64 bit, ma i video in streaming vedono spesso a scatti. Ho installato lubuntu 18.04 a 64 bit con funzioni minime. Se provo a installare la versione a 32 bit, avrei gli stessi problemi o potrebbe migiiorare la parte video streaming tipo netflix per intenderci? Grazie\n#ubuntu-it 2020-05-24\n<bbanner> buongiorno a tutti\n<digdug> buon giorno avrei una domanda da neofito da porvi\n<Carlin0> !chiedi | digdug\n<ubot-it> digdug: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità ). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà \n<Mr_Pan> digdug> cosa ?\n<digdug> vorrei installare linux su xp 32 su centrino 1.6ghz con 900 mb di ram . mi sapete indicare una versione che lo supporti?\n<Carlin0> !ramcpu | digdug\n<ubot-it> digdug: indica marca e modello esatti di CPU e VGA (scheda video) più la quantità di RAM presente\n<Mr_Pan> digdug> 1 gb di ram ? ti direi lascia perdere ... la prima pagina web che apri si inchioda tutto\n<digdug> intel m processor pentium 1.6ghz ,scheda grafica intel 82852, ram 1gb.\n<digdug> appuno chiedevo se esiteva una versione meno recente che potesse supportare\n<digdug> appunto\n<digdug> piuttosto che portarlo in discarica\n<Carlin0> digdug, se riuscissi a dirci il modelo esatto di cpu potremmo almeno capire se supporta o no il 64 bit\n<Carlin0> cmq come ha detto Mr_Pan ci farai ben poco\n<Mr_Pan> Carlin0> comunque al 99% no é solo 32 bit e con 1 GB di ram ...\n<Mr_Pan> https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/27577/intel-pentium-m-processor-1-60-ghz-1m-cache-400-mhz-fsb.html\n<Carlin0> lo so ma magari la ram la puoi aumentare , la cpu resta quella\n<digdug> Grazie . reistallo xp\n<Mr_Pan> digdug> non é che cambi molto ...\n<Mr_Pan> sempre che appena apri una pagina (repubblica.it AD ESEMPIO) il sistema comincerá a fare swap sul disco\n<Carlin0> bhe oddio un OS di 20 anni fa è sicuramente più leggero (ma meno sicuro)\n<Mr_Pan> Carlin0> si quello si\n<digdug> è un pc che usiamo da battaglia quindi la sicurezza non è importante. comunque grazie e buona domenica\n<titobuono> Salve, ho appena installato la versione 20.04 seguendo la guida presente sul sito e ora stavo esplorando la documentazione per chi è nuovo come me su ubuntu e linux. Tuttavia ho un dubbio riguardo le repository: non ho capito bene a cosa servono e non mi è chiaro se per una corretta manutenzione del mio sistema operativo, è necessario installare qu\n<titobuono> ella con scritto \"Partner di Canonical\".\n<Paco80> buongiorno a tutti. ho appena installato ubuntu e mai usato. qualcuno sa dirmi perchè non riesco a spegnere il pc con ubuntu\n<Paco80> grazie a chi volesse intervenire\n<fabio_cc> ciao Paco80, cosa succede quando provi a spegnere?\n<Paco80> schermata nera con il simbolo di ubuntu in basso, ma spegnimento zero, spengo dal pulsante manuale\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: versione di ubuntu?\n<Paco80> ultima 20.04\n<Paco80> ho installato ubuntu come so principale\n<Paco80> ovvero solo ubuntu\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: prova con \"sudo shutdown now\" nel terminale, vedi se si spegne o se riesci a leggere qualche messaggio di errore\n<Paco80> scusa \"sudo shutdown now\" è un app contenuta in ubuntu\n<Paco80> ?\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: no apri il terminale di ubuntu e digiti quel comando\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: clicca su attività in alto a sx e digita terminale\n<Paco80> si mi esce digita per ricercare\n<Paco80> poi\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: scrivi terminale e aprilo\n<Paco80> fatto\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: sei entrato in chat dal pc con ubuntu?\n<Paco80> si\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: ti chiedo perché col comando che ti do dovrebbe spegnersi\n<Paco80> ok grazie\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: prova a digitare nel terminale: sudo shutdown now\n<fabio_cc> vedi se si spegne o se da errori\n<fabio_cc> ti chiederà la tua password\n<fabio_cc> tu digitala anche se non la vedi\n<Paco80> si infatti\n<fabio_cc> in realtà scrive\n<Paco80> fabio fatto ma mi succede la stessa cosa\n<Paco80> senza darmi errori\n<DarckAngel> Paco80: ma lo hai aggiornato??\n<Paco80> si\n<DarckAngel> da terminale?\n<Paco80> no\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: ah, non è una installazione da zero?\n<Paco80> si installazione da zero\n<fabio_cc> DarckAngel questo ti chiedeva\n<Paco80> è un installazione da zero, ma quando l'ho messo non mi ricordo dove mi ha chiesto di verificare gli aggiornamenti e l'ho fatto\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: quando ci sono aggiornamenti da installare dovrebbe avvertirti, ma in ogni caso puoi aggiornare da terminale col comando sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade\n<Paco80> ok\n<Paco80> dove trovo l'elenco dei comandi di ubuntu così, me li guardo e cerco di capirci qualcosa in più\n<Paco80> quindi da quello che capisco si usa tanto il terminale?\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: ora ti di dei link del wiki di ubuntu-it\n<Paco80> ok grazie\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: buona parte delle cose (ma non tutto) si possono fare anche graficamente ma il terminale è più rapido e flessibile, più adatto ad eseere usato in caso di supporto tecnico a distanza\n<Paco80> ok\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Terminale https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/ComandiBase https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/PrivilegiDiAmministrazione https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/PermessiFile\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/InstallareProgrammi\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/ScopriUbuntu\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: la pagina principale del wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/\n<DarckAngel> con il terminale risolvi parecchi impicci XD\n<DarckAngel> è la prima cosa che devi imparare\n<Paco80> comunque non riuscite arisolvere questo problema\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: possiamo provare a vedere se con l'opzione di avvio acpi=off si risolve il problema\n<Paco80> devo inserirlo a terminale?\n<apt-ghetto> Non credo che acpi=off sia una buona idea. Ci sono anche altre: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: si potrebbe fare una prova al volo ma bisogna inserire l'opzione da menu di grub e dato che sei alle prime armi mi sembra un po' complicato fartelo fare, quindi ti faccio modificare il file di configurazione, eventualmente si può sempre rimettere come prima\n<fabio_cc> si, se ne possono provare anche altre meno brutali\n<Paco80> provo, ma poi resta così?\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: si è una modifica fissa, a meno che non venga rimodificato il file\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: intanto proviamo con acpi=off, se funziona allora proviamo strict ad esempio\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: dal terminale: sudo nano /etc/default/grub\n<Paco80> ho iserito acpi=0ff e mi manda una riga sotto\n<Paco80> senza chiedere password\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: aspetta dove lo hai scritto\n<Paco80> a terminale\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: la password non te l'ha chiede perché l'hai messa prima\n<Paco80> ok\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: devi aggiungere acpi=off qui: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"quiet splash acpi=off\"\n<fabio_cc> il resto non devi toccarlo\n<Paco80> alla stringa sotto?\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: devi modificare GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"quiet splash\" in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"quiet splash acpi=off\"\n<Paco80> scusa ma non sto capendo\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: ma hai dato sudo nano /etc/default/grub ?\n<Paco80> adesso si emi si è aperta un'altra facciata\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: ora cerca GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"quiet splash\"\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: modificalo in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"quiet splash acpi=off\"\n<Paco80> lo devo scrivere?\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: devi aggiundere acpi=off dopo splash\n<fabio_cc> sono devi digitare solo 8 caratteri\n<fabio_cc> e null'altro\n<fabio_cc> ovviamente fai uno spazio dopo splash\n<Paco80> sono in una schermata con scritto GNU nano 4.8 grub\n<Paco80> sotto è scritto ^G Guida ^ Salva ecc.\n<DarckAngel> e la schermata di nano\n<Paco80> lo so che per voi è facile\n<DarckAngel> hai modificato il file\n<Paco80> non ho capito cosa mettere\n<Paco80> cosa digitare\n<Paco80> scusatemi\n<DarckAngel> leggi quello che ha scritto fabio_cc\n<Paco80> come faccio a cercare GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"quiet splash\"\n<Paco80> devo scrivere ^w e poi il resto?\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: dovresti vederlo, dovrebbe essere la decima riga del file o giù di li\n<DarckAngel> per muoverti all'interno del file usa le frece direzionali\n<Paco80> non vedo niente\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: tu hai scritto solo sudo nano\n<DarckAngel> hai digitato male\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: avevo detto di scrivere sudo nano /etc/default/grub\n<DarckAngel> esci con ctrl+x\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: usa copia/incolla non scrivere le cose a mano\n<Paco80> sono uscito\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: usiamo gedit che è più semplice\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: scrivi \"sudo gedit /etc/default/grub\"\n<fabio_cc> senza le virgolette\n<apt-ghetto> No, non usare sudo con Gedit\n<fabio_cc> apt-ghetto: ci vorrebbe gksudo ma nel caso di gedit non crea problemi\n<apt-ghetto> No, non ci vorrebe gksu neanche\n<apt-ghetto> `gedit admin:///percorso/al/file`\n<apt-ghetto> Come lo sai, che nel caso di gedit non crea problemi?\n<Paco80> fabio mi sono uscite 33 stringhe\n<Paco80> 33#\n<fabio_cc> apt-ghetto: non conoscevo la possibilità gedit admin:///, in passato usavo gksudo perché sudo non inizializza correttamente certe variabili dell'ambiente grafico, ma non ho mai avuto problemi neanche con sudo gedit\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: aggiungi acpi=off dopo splash\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"quiet splash\" deve diventare GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=\"quiet splash acpi=off\"\n<Paco80> ok\n<Paco80> devo salvare\n<fabio_cc> si salva, ma prima di chiudere copia tutto il file e mettilo su ubuntu paste, voglio essere sicuro\n<fabio_cc> !paste | Paco80\n<ubot-it> Paco80: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale. Incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina.\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: poi per le prossime volte non usare più sudo gedit ma gedit admin:///percorso come detto da apt-ghetto\n<Paco80> fabio scusa mi è saltata la chat\n<Paco80> ho perso tutto il percorso\n<Paco80> comunque salvato e si è risolto il problema\n<Paco80> grazie\n<Paco80> mi dispiace solo che non sono riuscito a salvare la chat\n<Carlin0> !log | Paco80\n<ubot-it> Paco80: Log del canale: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/\n<Carlin0> risolto senza nemmeno un update-grub , un vero miracolo\n<fabio_cc> Paco80: infatti non avevamo ancora finito, non è possibile\n<Paco80> nooo\n<Paco80> io ho salvato sono uscito, ho spento e ha funzionato\n<Paco80> adesso come faccio mi si è cancellata la chat\n<Paco80> non riuscivo a mandarti il tutto\n<Paco80> sono riuscito solo a copiarmi i link su un documento word\n<Paco80> quindi non mi ha salvato niente, sono punto e a capo?\n<Paco80> fabio ci sei o ti sei scocciato?\n<Paco80> mi dispiace ma non sono capace più di tanto\n<andrea_> Ciao a tutti e buona domenica\n<andrea_> Dovrei installare su Kubuntu 20.04 i driver di una chiavetta wireless ma non so proprio come fare, ho scaricato il driver per linux dal sito dell'hamlet in formato .zip, l'ho scompattato con ark , ma dentro ci sono un sacco di cartelle e non so come fare ad installarlo\n<enzotib> andrea_: guarda se c'è un file README\n<andrea_> Si c'è\n<andrea_> Direi incomprensibile per me\n<enzotib> andrea_: link al pacchetto che hai scaricato? oppure metti il README su pastebin\n<enzotib> !pastebin | andrea_\n<ubot-it> andrea_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale. Incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina.\n<andrea_> http://www.hamletcom.com/products/hnw600acu.aspx?t=download\n<andrea_> Questo è il link del driver\n<andrea_> Quello piu' in basso per linux\n<enzotib> ok\n<enzotib> andrea_: sotto la directory document c'è il file Quick_Start_Guide_for_Driver_Compilation_and_Installation.pdf\n<andrea_> Sto guardando..\n<andrea_> Non mi sembra ci sia niente che mi dica come installarlo su kubuntu\n<andrea_> omg c'è, ma è veramente difficile per me :(\n<enzotib> andrea_: mi pare di capire che il file install.sh è per PC-Linux, che non è Ubunut\n<enzotib> Ubuntu*\n<enzotib> in alternativa bisogna leggere con attenzione i passaggi manuali\n<andrea_> Avevo provato ad avviare quel file ma non succedeva niente\n<andrea_> Ora devo andare, lascio connesso e ci riprovo questa sera. Devo aggiornare la mia connessione internet e con quella chiavetta posso sfruttarla al meglio. Attualmente ho una 30 mega e devo passare a una 100\n<andrea_> Ho appena configurato tutto kubunt e sono molto soddisfatto era da molto tempo che non lo usavo\n<maxsme> ho installato kubuntu20.04 asus X66ic ma la webcam quando vado su meet per le video conferenze s vede al contrario si può risolvere?\n<fabio_cc> maxsme: prova v4l2ucp\n<fabio_cc> maxsme: sudo apt install v4l2ucp\n<fabio_cc> maxsme: ci sono le opzioni per il flip orizzontale e verticale dell'immagine\n<maxsme> ok adesso provo\n<maxsme> cmq Grazie\n<maxsme> Impossibile trovare il pacchetto v4l2ucp\n<maxsme> mi dice questo\n<fabio_cc> maxsme: lo hanno tolto in ubuntu 20.04, controllo una cosa\n<maxsme> ok\n<fabio_cc> maxsme: purtroppo l'ultima versione di ubuntu dove c'è questo pacchetto è la 18.04, poi non lo hanno più messo, forse non è più sviluppato\n<fabio_cc> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=v4l2ucp&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all\n<fabio_cc> maxsme: mi dispiace, con quella applicazione io avevo risolto il problema\n<maxsme> posso provare se la trovo\n<Angelo> Ciao a tutti. Mi sta capitando un caso strano. Con lubuntu 18.04 appaiono due connessioni non attive e non riesco a connettermi in wifi nonostante la password corretta. Sapete indicarmi com risolvere questo problema?\n<fabio_cc> maxsme: prova v4l-conf\n<Angelo> di che si tratta?\n<fabio_cc> maxsme: no vcl2ucp non è più presente nei repo e ti sconsiglio di installarlo da altre fonti\n<fabio_cc> maxsme: prova sudo apt install v4l-conf\n<maxsme> va bene provo\n<heolo14> raga alla chat asistenza entro a fatica\n<maxsme> non sono riuscito a risolvere l prolema del webcam rovesciata\n<Mr_Pan> heolo14, ??\n<heolo14> Mr_Pan scusa ma non entro nella chat di ubuntu\n<Mr_Pan> lo so\n<heolo14> sono bannato?\n<Mr_Pan> heolo14io, si per qualche giorno\n<Mr_Pan> heolo14io, vieni in chat\n<heolo14> dimmi Mr_Pan\n<Mr_Pan> entra su chat\n<heolo14> quake?\n<heolo14> quale?\n<heolo14> sono qui e su quella libera\n<Mr_Pan> heolo14, #ubuntu-it-.chat\n<Mr_Pan> heolo14, quella libera?!\n<heolo14io> non entro\n<Mr_Pan> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<heolo14io> si questa più l'altra ci sono in tutte due\n<Mr_Pan> heolo14io, si ho tolto il ban\n<heolo14io> ah ok\n<heolo14io> entro grazie\n<heolo14> ;9 grazie raga\n<heolo14> ;)\n<Mr_Pan> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n<Mr_Pan> !ciao\n<ubot-it> Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it\n<Mr_Pan> piero, serve aiuto ?\n<piero> buonasera, dove posso scaricare xubuntu 20.04 32bit? trovo solo il 64...\n<Mr_Pan> piero, no nesistono piú le versioni 32 bit ...\n<Mr_Pan> vengono rilasciate solo a 64 bit\n<piero> non trovo link funzionanti\n<piero> capito, io ho un vecchio computer a 32, allora posso installare la versione 18\n<Mr_Pan> piero, si la 18.04 lts la trovi a 32 bit\n<piero> bene proverò con quella. esiste un link per il download diretto attivo? con i torrent impiega dei giorni\n<Mr_Pan> si un attimo\n<Mr_Pan> !download\n<ubot-it> https://www.ubuntu.com/download , http://releases.ubuntu.com/ o https://www.ubuntu-it.org/download\n<Mr_Pan> !derivate\n<ubot-it> http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/flavours - http://www.ubuntu-it.org/derivate - https://www.ubuntu-it.org/download/derivate\n<Mr_Pan> apri ultimo link delle derivate\n<piero> fatto! grazie ! buona serata\n<Mr_Pan> prego\n<Mr_Pan> heolo in chat per favore\n<Mr_Pan> !chat\n<ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat\n"},"meta":{"kind":"string","value":"{\n \"pile_set_name\": \"Ubuntu IRC\"\n}"}}},{"rowIdx":12,"cells":{"text":{"kind":"string","value":"#ubuntu-sa 2010-12-30\n<Sary> !swat\n<lubotu3> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.\n#ubuntu-sa 2012-12-29\n<AnOoS> Ù
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رØبأ\n#ubuntu-sa 2013-12-25\n<netrunner_> assalamu alikum\n"},"meta":{"kind":"string","value":"{\n \"pile_set_name\": \"Ubuntu IRC\"\n}"}}},{"rowIdx":13,"cells":{"text":{"kind":"string","value":"#ubuntu-bd 2011-03-01\n<tuhin> hi all\n#ubuntu-bd 2011-03-02\n<tuhin> hi all\n<tuhin> which linux+version u all using here?\n<Tanvir> tuhin, hello\n<Tanvir> I'm using Ubuntu 10.10.\n<tuhin> hi tanvir\n<Tanvir> Yes.\n<tuhin> what other linux u used beside ubuntu 10.10\n<Tanvir> Nothing.\n<tuhin> since when using ubuntu?\n<tuhin> how much ram it takes right after boot?\n<Tanvir> Almost a year, I think.\n<Tanvir> I didn't figure that.\n<tuhin> hmm so u have been using 9.04 and 9.10 before?\n<Tanvir> Let me remember..\n<Tanvir> Yeah, I used 9.10.\n<tuhin> the system monitor shows ram usage\n<Tanvir> I know that.\n<tuhin> ok how much ram its using now?\n<Tanvir> Now it's 993 MB\n<tuhin> hmm , u have many program open right, what programs are open\n<Tanvir> A bunch of firefox tabs, pidgin.. etc\n<Tanvir> All desktop programs.\n<tuhin> ok\n<tuhin> this chat room is very quite\n<tuhin> i came yesterdaya nd none said anything\n<Tanvir> Yeah, I was about to sleep.\n<tuhin> ah\n<Tanvir> You must ping.\n<tuhin> where do u live?\n<Tanvir> Dhaka\n<tuhin> me too\n<tuhin> khilgaon\n<tuhin> area\n<Tanvir> Mine is Tejgaon.\n<tuhin> hm\n<tuhin> why this chat room is so empty i wonder\n<Tanvir> Bengali people didn't realized the importance of IRC yet I suppose. :)\n<tuhin> there was a project called Ankur Linux and its not updated anymore\n<Tanvir> What that project contains?\n<tuhin> they did a good job when they did\n<tuhin> its bengali linux\n<tuhin> evthign is in bengali\n<Tanvir> Ankur has it's own website, you can figure that out.\n<Tanvir> Yeah, they still do that.\n<tuhin> yes but the version is old\n<Tanvir> They published Bengali spell checker recently.\n<tuhin> they didnt release any in couple years\n<tuhin> yes i saw that but linux in bengali should be updated\n<tuhin> so that ore people can take linux easyly\n<Tanvir> Mm. http://www.ankur.org.bd <-- I see many apps there.\n<tuhin> i am talking About \"Ankur Linux\" distro not programs only\n<Tanvir> I know nothing about that.\n<tuhin> i bought their live CD couple years ago and it was very good\n<tuhin> they stopped working on that it seems\n<Tanvir> Maybe.\n<Tanvir> BTW, I will be away now. See ya later. :)\n#ubuntu-bd 2011-03-03\n<barebone> Welcome lavluda :)\n#ubuntu-bd 2013-02-28\n<abckb__> à¦
াপনারা বানà§à¦à¦²à¦¾ দà§à¦à¦¤à§ পাà¦à§à¦à§à¦¨?\n#ubuntu-bd 2014-02-27\n<raihan> Ekushey, \n<raihan> e\n<raihan> Ekushey, \n<raihan> Ekushey, \n<raihan> Ekushey, à¦à¦¿ মিà§à¦¾, à¦à¦ªà¦¨à¦¾à¦à§ পাà¦à§à¦¾ যাৠনা à¦à§à¦¨?\n<raihan> হরতাল ডাà¦à¦®à§ à¦à¦¿à¦¨à¦¤à§ à¦à§à§ দিলাম\n<raihan> শনিবারৠমিà¦à¦¿à¦ à¦à¦°à¦¬\n<raihan> থাà¦à¦¬à§à¦¨\n<raihan> à¦à¦¾à¦à¦¾ ফর নাà¦\n<raihan> :/\n<Ekushey> hi raihan\n<Ekushey> i wasn't home :)\n<Ekushey> what's up?\n#ubuntu-bd 2014-03-01\n<raihan> Ekushey, \n<raihan> Ekushey, \n<raihan> are you here?\n<raihan> ধà§à¦°à§ মিà§à¦¾, à¦à¦ªà¦¨à¦¿ নাঠ:(\n<raihan> à¦à¦¸à§ http://www.flickr.com/photos/russelljohn/8268398872/ à¦à¦ à¦à¦¬à¦¿à¦° ডাà¦à¦¨à¦²à§à¦¡ লিà¦à¦ দিবà§à¦¨, à¦
থবা à¦à¦¬à¦¿à¦à¦¾ সরাসরি à¦à¦®à¦¾à¦à§ মà§à¦à¦² à¦à¦°à¦¬à§à¦¨\n<raihan> 63raihan@gmail.com\n<raihan> à¦à¦à¦¾ মন à¦à¦¾à¦¡à¦¼à§ নিল à¦à¦®à¦¾à¦° :)\n<Ekushey> raihan: :)\n<raihan> à¦à¦à§à§à¦¸, à¦à¦ à¦à¦° à¦à¦à¦¾à¦¨à§? Ekushey \n<Ekushey> chobi ta bhalo hoy nai, focus thik nai\n<raihan> :ঢ\n<raihan> ;D\n<raihan> à¦à¦¨à¦à¦¿\n<raihan> তাঠà¦à¦®à¦¾à¦° à¦à¦¾à¦\n<raihan> à¦à¦à¦¾\n<raihan> :p\n<raihan> à¦à¦¾à¦, à¦à§à¦®à¦¨ à¦à¦¾à¦¨à¦¿ হà§à§ যাà¦à§à¦à¦¿à¥¤ পà¦à§à¦à§ à¦à¦¿à¦à§ à¦à¦¾à¦à¦¾ à¦à¦®à¦¤à§à¦ à¦à¦¾à¦ à¦à¦°à¦¤à§ à¦à¦° à¦à¦à§à¦à¦¾ à¦à¦°à¦à§ না! সমাধান à¦à¦¿ বলà§à¦¨ তà§!\n<Ekushey> spend the money :P\n<Ekushey> pocket khali holei abar kaaj korte ichcha korbe\n<raihan> হà§à¦¹à§à¦¹à§, à¦à¦à§à¦à¦¾ à¦à¦ªà¦¨à¦¾à¦° à¦à¦²à¦®à¦¾à¦¬à§ à¦à§à§à¦à¦à¦¾ সà§à¦¨à§à¦¦à¦°à§ মà§à§à§ দà§à¦à¦²à¦¾à¦®à¥¤ à¦à§ à¦à¦à§à¦²à¦¾ o.O\n<raihan> ?\n<Ekushey> konta?\n<Ekushey> link dekhi?\n<raihan> হারিà§à§ à¦à§à¦à§, থামà§à¦¨ à¦à§à¦à¦¿ :প\n<Ekushey> lol ok\n<raihan> http://www.flickr.com/photos/russelljohn/8298139638/\n<Ekushey> lol a friend\n<raihan> :/\n<raihan> বার বার à¦à¦¶à¦¾à¦à¦¾ মাà¦à¦¿ à¦à¦°à§ দà§à¦¨ \n<raihan> :(\n<Ekushey> :)\n<raihan> à¦à¦¾à¦ à¦à¦¿à¦à§ পারà§à¦¸à§à¦¨à¦¾à¦² পà§à¦°à¦¶à§à¦¨ à¦à¦°à¦¿? যà§à¦¦à¦¿ à¦à¦¿à¦à§ না মনৠà¦à¦°à§à¦¨\n<Ekushey> #bangladesh e koren\n#ubuntu-bd 2016-02-29\n<pavlushka> Hi every1!\n<pavlushka> something is trying to activate my webcam remotely, what do I do?\n<pavlushka> Hi guys! How can I get a cloak???\n#ubuntu-bd 2016-03-03\n<Kilos> greetings all\n<Ekushey> Hello Kilos\n<Kilos> so guys are you supporting pavlushka at his ubuntu membership application in 15 minutes\n<Kilos> on #ubuntu-meeting\n<pavlushka> I am here..\n<pavlushka> Ekushey : hi, sorry, u really dont know me.\n<Kilos> ah Ekushey nice to meet a member from bangladesh\n<dipraw> hello everyone\n<dipraw> i am a friend of pavlushka!\n<Kilos> cool\n#ubuntu-bd 2016-03-05\n<Kilos> hi pavlushka \n<Kilos> hi everyone else\n<pavlushka> Kilos:Hia\n * pavlushka eating\n<Kilos> enjoy\n<pavlushka> Kilos:veg sucks\n<Kilos> lol\n<Kilos> because they good for you\n<pavlushka> Kilos:I got ur recomm mail\n<Kilos> good\n<pavlushka> Kilos:Thanks\n<pavlushka> Kilos:Really\n<Kilos> i do what i can to help grow ubuntu\n<Kilos> have you seen the africa site we built to help connect all locos and linux users on the african continent\n<Kilos> http://ubuntu-africa.info\n<pavlushka> Kilos, I planned to, but no, not yet\n<pavlushka> Kilos, thanks\n<Kilos> when you do, refresh quite a few times and watch the background change\n<pavlushka> Kilos, wow, nice one\n<Kilos> hi JediKnight im sure if seen you somewhere before\n<Kilos> on other channels amybe\n<Kilos> maybe\n<Kilos> do you carry a light saber\n<pavlushka> Kilos, should I join?\n<Kilos> you can if you like\n<pavlushka> Kilos, gr8\n<Kilos> we have guys from all over join us on the irc channel\n * pavlushka #endeating\n<pavlushka> See ya\n<dipraw> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER dipraw quqmlcrppqtv\n<Kilos> hmm...\n<dipraw> Kilos: Oops\n<Kilos> lol\n<Kilos> hi dipraw \n<dipraw> Kilos: Hi\n<pavlushka> Hi Ekushey!!!\n<pavlushka> Ekushey:Hi RusselJhon!!!\n#ubuntu-bd 2016-03-06\n<Kilos> greetings all\n<Kilos> hi Ekushe3y \n<belkinsa> o/ all\n<Kilos> hi belkinsa \n<belkinsa> No Russel?\n<Kilos> he left\n<Kilos> um\n<Kilos> [14:22] <-- Ekushe3y (~ekushey@180.234.53.3) has left this server (Ping timeout: 248 seconds).\n<Kilos> my time\n<belkinsa> Okay\n<Kilos> like 8 hours ago\n<belkinsa> Thanks\n<Kilos> np\n#ubuntu-bd 2017-02-27\n<anirbaan> Hello everyone & Kilos :)\n<anirbaan> Kilos: what is the root file system check command? is it \"mkdir /enforce\" ?\n<Kilos> hi anirbaan pavlushka and other lurkers\n<Kilos> i use fsck\n<Kilos> sudo touch /forcefsck\n<Kilos> then it checks while booting\n<Kilos> i dont know the involved commands but pavel will know\n<anirbaan> Kilos: got it, and you know even pavlushka lurks :p\n<Kilos> yes hahaha\n<pavlushka> Kilos: ping\n<Kilos> pavlushka pong\n<Kilos> whats up\n<pavlushka> Kilos: once you mentioned a system migration tool for Ubuntu only, can you recall it?\n<Kilos> systemback\n<pavlushka> Kilos: wow, I was testing you :p\n * pavlushka whispers nah\n<Kilos> make a usb boot stick with exactly you working system to intall again or on another pc\n<pavlushka> Kilos: by the btw thanks :)\n<Kilos> you welcome lad\n * pavlushka on the run\n<Kilos> run fast\n<Kilos> hehe\n<pavlushka> Welcome NahidSultan and zaki :)\n<zaki> hey pavlushka\n<zaki> how are u doing?\n<pavlushka> zaki: nothing, overstuffed my tummy, now cant move\n<zaki> ow\n<Kilos-> lol\n<pavlushka> yeah, I was waiting for this :p\n<pavlushka> reply\n<Kilos-> self inflicted punishment\n<pavlushka> Kilos-: nope, mom's inflicted punishment, kinda self inflicted coz I was trying to keep her every request on food :p\n<Kilos-> lol\n<Kilos-> nono\n<Kilos-> she didnt force food into your mouth'\n<Kilos-> hahaha\n<pavlushka> true, but she served the plate and dont like it left overs\n<Kilos-> lol\n<Kilos-> go for a walk it will help\n<Kilos-> just dont jump\n<Kilos-> hi NahidSultan \n<Kilos-> ai!\n<Kilos-> Nahiyan \n<pavlushka> Kilos-: I bunked last night's sleep, so I am dead sleepy\n<Kilos-> oh my\n<Nahiyan> hello\n<Nahiyan> I was awake for\n<Kilos-> go sleep lad\n<Nahiyan> 30 hours yesterday\n<pavlushka> Kilos-: I am in a state that you can kill me but you cant make me move\n<Kilos-> dont you guys sleep?\n<Nahiyan> I had a lot of work yesterday\n<Nahiyan> project stuff\n<Kilos-> ah\n<pavlushka> Kilos-: I have some deadlines, So I'll think about the deadlines for a while and fall a sleep on the chair :p\n<Kilos-> lol\n<Nahiyan> I should probably go to sleep now\n<Nahiyan> I've been awake for about 20 hours now X_X\n<Nahiyan> see ya guys tomorrow :)\n<pavlushka> see ya\n<Kilos-> sleep tight guys\n<pavlushka> Kilos-: where you are going?\n<Kilos-> i thought you fell asleep on the chair\n<Kilos-> then i go play liberators\n<Kilos-> only thing fb is good for\n#ubuntu-bd 2017-02-28\n<pavlushka> welcome zaki :)\n<zaki> hey pavlushka :)\n<zaki> ty\n<Kilos-> hi guys\n<pavlushka> hi Kilos- \n#ubuntu-bd 2017-03-01\n<pavlushka> Good day to every one :)\n<Kilos-> hi pavlushka and others\n<pavlushka> Hello Kilos- :) \n<pavlushka> Kilos-: how is the day?\n<Kilos-> ok ty just tired. gonna nap a while i think\n<Kilos-> hows things your side\n<pavlushka> u-la-la: ddg dax\n<u-la-la> pavlushka: Dax Shepard An American actor, comedian, writer, and director. :: Microsoft Dynamics AX Microsoft Dynamics AX is one of Microsoft's enterprise resource planning software products. :: DAX A blue chip stock market index consisting of the 30 major German companies trading on the...\n<hex29> ?\n<zaki> hey hex29\n<hex29> hello\n<zaki> welcome to #ubuntu-bd\n<hex29> shobai ki bangladeshi?\n#ubuntu-bd 2017-03-03\n<pavlushka> hello Shako019 \n<Shako019> Hello?\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: \"/nickserv identify [nickname] password\"\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: \"/nickserv identify nickname password\"\n<pavlushka> Kilos: we have a WhizzKid \n<Kilos> i saw that pavlushka \n<WhizzKid> Hi Kilos\n<Kilos> hi WhizzKid \n<WhizzKid> I'm frm BD\n<Kilos> dont make me remember who another nick belongs to\n<Kilos> i know its you pavlushka \n<pavlushka> Kilos: lol, no\n<Kilos> i saw you change nick to pavlushka from WhizzKid \n<WhizzKid> why are you thinking so? Kilos\n<pavlushka> Kilos: He is one of my friends from the Uni\n<Kilos> ah you setting up his irc\n<pavlushka> Kilos: I was kinda checking that nick avalibility\n<WhizzKid> Ha Ha Ha\n<pavlushka> Kilos: and yes, helping him setting up :)\n<Kilos> good lad\n<WhizzKid> Kilos I have just joined HexChat and Pavlu helped me at that time\n<pavlushka> Kilos: It wasn't me :p\n * pavlushka actually singing a song by Shaggy\n<pavlushka> It wasn't me\n<Kilos> well welcome anyway WhizzKid `\n * pavlushka on breakfast, brb\n<WhizzKid> Thanks Kilos\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: you can search in the channel list for #chemistry\n<pavlushka> or ##chemistry\n<WhizzKid> Yes I have got one\n<WhizzKid> and joined there\n<pavlushka> wow \\o/\n<pavlushka> u-la-la: coffee on\n * u-la-la flips the salt-timer\n<Kilos> u-la-la coffee please\n<u-la-la> Kilos: Alrighty\n<pavlushka> u-la-la: entertain WhizzKid \n * u-la-la pours coffee on WhizzKid and runs for his life\n<Kilos> lol\n * pavlushka runs too :p\n<u-la-la> Coffee's ready for pavlushka and Kilos!\n<Kilos> u-la-la ty\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: ki koros?\n<WhizzKid> dost office a kam kori?\n<WhizzKid> tui?\n<WhizzKid> Music bajas kamne?\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: ei shukro bareo?\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: koi music bajabo?\n<WhizzKid> ai chat room a?\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: lol, ha, ek shathe movie dekha gele aro valo hoito\n<WhizzKid> ha ha ha\n<WhizzKid> recent kon movie dekhesis?\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: Dangal!\n<WhizzKid> Hindi?\n<WhizzKid> oh \n<WhizzKid> amir khan\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: and we play music here like this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGikhmjTSZI\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: kam er thelae kam korar e time paina r movie!\n<WhizzKid> etto busy?.......................bapre\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: ekta stock e ase, moana, dekha hoini ekhono\n<WhizzKid> ami dekhesi\n<WhizzKid> valoi........musical animation type\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: have some more for music, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQbiNvZqaY\n<WhizzKid> 'Spirited away' dekte paris\n<WhizzKid> darun\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: wow\n<WhizzKid> many thanks for the links\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: btw irc is only text based, we cant even paste pics and you are asking for music??\n<WhizzKid> i didnt know that\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: for pics we do this http://imgroute.com/?p=663414\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: its a screenshot of my browser\n<WhizzKid> nice to know these\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: or like this, http://imgur.com/gallery/ZywRw\n<WhizzKid> hmmmmm, bujhesi dost\n<pavlushka> u-la-la: coffee on\n * u-la-la washes some mugs\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: that's our IRC bot u-la-la\n<pavlushka> home made bot with a south-African blush\n<u-la-la> Coffee's ready for pavlushka!\n<pavlushka> ty u-la-la \n<pavlushka> u-la-la: ty\n<u-la-la> You are welcome my friend\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: for you,save it somewhere http://paste.ubuntu.com/24101709/\n<WhizzKid> Dost, it seems really helpful.............many thanks\n<pavlushka> u-la-la: ping\n<u-la-la> pong\n<WhizzKid> ?\n<WhizzKid> u-la-la coffe on\n<u-la-la> WhizzKid: Huh?\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: coffee banan bhul :p\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: try this http://www.xm1math.net/texmaker/\n<pavlushka> u-la-la: coffee on\n * u-la-la starts grinding coffee\n<WhizzKid> Thanks pavel\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: say \"u-la-la coffee please\"\n<zaki> hei pavlushka\n<pavlushka> Hello zaki , meet my friend WhizzKid :)\n<u-la-la> Coffee's ready for pavlushka!\n<zaki> hi WhizzKid\n<pavlushka> u-la-la: ty\n<u-la-la> You are welcome my friend\n * zaki meeting WhizzKid\n<pavlushka> u-la-la: ddg latex editor\n<u-la-la> pavlushka: Uhh... DuckDuckGo has no Instant Answer on that\n<pavlushka> u-la-la: ddg latex\n<u-la-la> pavlushka: Latex A stable dispersion of polymer microparticles in an aqueous medium. It is found in nature... :: LaTeX A document preparation system. :: Latex clothing Latex rubber is used in many types of clothing.\n<zaki> he he\n<zaki> pavlushka: text editor?\n<pavlushka> zaki: yep\n<zaki> wb WhizzKid Shako019\n<zaki> how are u doing?\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: why two ?\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: dont connect with double nick\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: you might get banned for access flood\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: on the network\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: we call it klined, the ban :p\n<Shako> well noted with thanks\n<pavlushka> u-la-la: tell Whizzkid to reply his mails\n<u-la-la> pavlushka: Righto, I'll tell whizzkid on freenode\n<Kilos> hahahaha\n<Kilos> you crazy kid\n<Kilos> sleep tight guys\n#ubuntu-bd 2017-03-04\n<pavlushka> Hello everyone & Kilos :)\n<Kilos> hi pavlushka and others\n<pavlushka> How are you Kilos ?\n<Kilos> im ok ty lad and you?\n<pavlushka> Welcome Tanvir :)\n<Tanvir> Thanks, pavlushka. :-)\n<pavlushka> Hey la Its Shako | WhizzKid :)\n<pavlushka> Hello zaki :)\n<pavlushka> Kilos: I have a dog named mebu, HE was chewing a broom, I said hey and he dropped the broom, lol\n<zaki> hi pavlushka\n<pavlushka> like he was committing a crime, lol\n<zaki> mebu??\n<pavlushka> yep\n<Kilos> lol\n<Kilos> yes pavlushka if you in a crowd shout hey and watch everyone look around with a guilty look on their faces\n<pavlushka> lol\n<pavlushka> Kilos: but the funny thing is mebu knows that we dont like him doing that and his expressions was hilarious after that, lol]\n<zaki> pavlushka: i havn't meet with Shako019 or WhizzKid\n<pavlushka> zaki: really? nut I cant tell now which one is real, lol\n<pavlushka> WhizzKid: or Shako019 \n<Kilos> hahaha\n<zaki> ha ha\n<zaki> hello Shako019 \n<pavlushka> may be Shako is having some problems connecting\n<pavlushka> night every one :)\n#ubuntu-bd 2017-03-05\n<anirbaan> Morning everyone :)\n<pavlushka> Kilos: ping\n<pavlushka> Kilos: https://pavelsayekat.blogspot.com/2017/03/adding-bengali-jatiyo-keyboard-layout.html\n<saiful> hello\n<saiful> pavel bro.....\n<pavlushka> Hello saiful :)\n<saiful> how are you....\n<pavlushka> saiful: what's up?\n<pavlushka> saiful: I am good, you?\n<saiful> want to install Arch Linux\n<saiful> not bad....\n<saiful> but facing internet connection problem....\n<pavlushka> saiful: go ahead, give it a try :)\n<pavlushka> saiful: intenet connection problem like?\n<saiful> i can't setup my broadband connection in Arch linux before install\n<pavlushka> saiful: checked this , https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_guide ?\n<saiful> i was seen , how to set pppoe connection before install to get installation data\n<pavlushka> saiful: gone through this , https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pppd ?\n<saiful> tried......but not work\n<saiful> good bye, I'll try tomorrow \n<pavlushka> saiful: see you /\n#ubuntu-bd 2019-02-26\n<pavlushka> zaki: o/\n<zaki> hey pavlushka \n<zaki> how are you ?\n<pavlushka> zaki: me good, you?\n<zaki> i'm okay \n<zaki> I was at saintmartin /cox's bazar last 4 days \n<pavlushka> wow, nice\n<pavlushka> zaki: ১২ হাà¦à¦¾à¦° à¦à¦¾à¦à¦¾ দামà§à¦° à¦à¦¿à¦¨à¦¿à¦¸à§ ২০ à¦à¦¾à¦à¦¾ দামà§à¦° reed switch, ফাà¦à¦à¦²à¦¾à¦®à¦¿à¦° à¦à¦à¦à¦¾ সà§à¦®à¦¾ থাà¦à§\n<zaki> he he \n<zaki> how's your experiments going ?\n<pavlushka> zaki: anemometer à¦à¦¾à¦ à¦à¦°à§ না à¦à¦¾à¦°à¦£ ২০ à¦à¦¾à¦à¦¾ দামà§à¦° reed switch বিà¦à§à¦¾à¦à¦¸à§\n<zaki> :D \n<zaki> রিপà§à¦²à§à¦¸ à¦à¦°à¦¾ যাৠনা?\n<pavlushka> zaki: হà§à¦®, যাà§, techshopbd থà§à¦à§ order à¦à¦°à¦¸à¦¿, à¦à¦¸à¦¤à§à¦à§\n#ubuntu-bd 2020-02-24\n<pavlushka> zaki: o/\n<zaki> hey pavlushka \n<zaki> pavlushka, should I enable canonical live patch on ubuntu server?\n<zaki> any suggestions ? \n<zaki> I have two ubuntu server running \n<pavlushka> zaki: the live patch is used to patch the kernel without any reboot, so if you can handle it correctly then may be.\n<pavlushka> zaki: where are these servers? and how important are those?\n * pavlushka meant on what purpose they are being used?\n<zaki> pavlushka, in my office . importance level is medium. \n<zaki> but I have keep those up and running 24.7\n<zaki> 24/7\n<pavlushka> zaki: you should test the livepatch on a test server, though to my knowledge canonical supports up to 3 machines for free \n<pavlushka> s/test server/test server first\n<u-la-la> pavlushka meant to say: zaki: you should test the livepatch on a test server first, though to my knowledge canonical supports up to 3 machines for free \n<zaki> yes, 3 machine per account , and you have to sign in with ubuntu one \n<pavlushka> zaki: yeah\n#ubuntu-bd 2020-02-25\n<pavlushka> zaki: o/\n<pavlushka> zaki: o/\n<zaki> hey pavlushka \n<pavlushka> zaki: https://imgur.com/a/6v4ZD6G, coreboot on my desktop finally but only works for CLI mode :( but yay \\o/\n<u-la-la> [ Coreboot tianocore_debug with GOP blobs - Album on Imgur ] - imgur.com\n<zaki> pavlushka, great \n<zaki> I received few update on your coreboot development on mail \n<pavlushka> zaki: ow\n<zaki> pavlushka, is libreboot close to coreboot?\n<pavlushka> zaki: yep, if you strip all the blobs from coreboot, you'll get libreboot.\n<pavlushka> zaki: for you FYI(kidding), my laptop already running coreboot, the coreboot in discussion I ported for my desktop board.\n<zaki> ah\n<pavlushka> zaki: it took almost a year and lots of poor's money\n<zaki> pavlushka, very difficult process \n<pavlushka> but still need to fix the Graphics support\n<zaki> pavlushka, lenovo laptop ?\n<pavlushka> yes, and the prerequisites for testing and porting is that you have to have a raspberry pi\n<pavlushka> zaki: yes Lenovo Laptop\n<pavlushka> RPI or some other SBC which has GPIO pin headers\n<zaki> to flash the bios chip?\n<pavlushka> GPIO SPI pin headers to be precise\n<pavlushka> zaki: yes\n<pavlushka> zaki: gotta go\n<pavlushka> night night\n<zaki> good night\n#ubuntu-bd 2020-02-26\n<pavlushka> zaki: o/\n<zaki> Hey pavlushka \n<zaki> I was trying revolution IRC on my Android. \n<zaki> It's pretty good. \n<zaki> Itâs in development or something . Showed in early access category. \n<pavlushka> aha\n<pavlushka> zaki: in the office?\n<zaki> pavlushka: not yet. Will go after 4 pm. \n<zaki> Still enjoying rain. :D\n<pavlushka> cool\n<zaki> pavlushka: I was watching this video las night. \n<zaki> https://youtu.be/iffTJ1vPCSo\n<u-la-la> [ Replace Your Exploit-Ridden Firmware with Linux - Ronald Minnich, Google - YouTube ] - youtu.be\n<pavlushka> zaki: me too, but not enjoying the chilly wind\n<zaki> pavlushka: this IRC cloent interface is cool. \n<zaki> client*\n<pavlushka> zaki: nice\n<pavlushka> zaki: gotta go, see you around, bye\n<zaki> pavlushka: your laptop model is x200? \n<pavlushka> zaki: x230\n#ubuntu-bd 2020-02-27\n<pavlushka> zaki: night night\n#ubuntu-bd 2020-02-28\n<pavlushka> zaki: night night\n<zaki> pavlushka: good night. \n#ubuntu-bd 2020-03-01\n<zaki> hey walrider \n<walrider> sorry was afk \n<walrider> Assalamu Alaikum zaki bro \n<walrider> and pavel bai and u-la-la <3 \n<pavlushka> walrider: hello\n<pavlushka> zaki: o/\n<walrider> bai how are you \n<zaki> hey pavlushka \n<zaki> watching Star Trek \n<walrider> à¦à§à¦®à¦¨ à¦à¦¸à§ বাঠpavlushka\n<pavlushka> walrider: valo, annere miss kori, anner video dekhi FB te,\n<walrider> à¦à¦¶à¦²à§ à¦à¦®à¦¿ à¦à¦¾à¦¸à§à¦à¦¿à¦¸à¦¿ à¦à¦° নিà¦à§à¦° à¦à¦¾à¦ à¦à¦¾à¦® লà¦à§à¦¾ à¦à¦à¦à§ à¦à¦¾à¦ª ঠথাà¦à¦¿ à¦à¦¾à¦ , \n<pavlushka> zaki: watched \"Parks & Recreation, two and a half man and veep\"\n<walrider> তার à¦à¦ªà§à¦°à§ à¦à¦¿à¦à¦¸à¦¨à¦¿ à¦à¦°à¦¾à¦ ৩ à¦à¦¾ সমৠà¦à¦° বà§à§ à¦
à¦à¦¾à¦¬ \n<zaki> à¦à¦à§à¦ El Clásico\n<pavlushka> walrider: that's good\n<walrider> milers sharpe uncle er research paper khujtasi \n<pavlushka> walrider: ken?\n<walrider> uni oida fb te dile fb delete koira ditase \n<walrider> mainstream media \n<walrider> balsal\n<walrider> kaj ase oita nia \n<zaki> pavlushka, how is two and a half man ? \n<walrider> 3:) \n<walrider> ð\n<pavlushka> walrider: keep trying\n<pavlushka> zaki: dark comedy and also cheap and mean comedy\n<zaki> he he\n<pavlushka> zaki: good laugh\n<walrider> bhai breaking bad er porer akta movie banaise \n<walrider> oita dekhsen naki zaki bhai \n<pavlushka> zaki: I really loved Parks & Recreations\n<zaki> walrider, দà§à¦à¦¾ শà§à¦· \n<walrider> oije EL camino dekhsen ? \n<pavlushka> and every series mentioned is a comedy\n<zaki> হà§à¦®\n<walrider> nice \n<walrider> better call saul er new serise er jonno wait kori ami \n<pavlushka> coz I only watch comedy\n<zaki> pavlushka, Try Big bang Theory \n<walrider> bajinga \n<walrider> :|\n<pavlushka> zaki: I tried and failed\n<zaki> à¦à¦®à¦¿ হাসতৠহাসতৠà¦à§à¦¾à¦à§à¦¿ à¦à¦¾à¦ à¦à¦®à¦¿ \n<walrider> :D\n<walrider> ^_^ \n<pavlushka> walrider: science nia ulta palta comedy korle boring stupid lage, silly\n<pavlushka> zaki: ^\n<zaki> :D\n<zaki> walrider, à¦à¦° à¦à¦¿ à¦
বসà§à¦¥à¦¾?\n<pavlushka> I don't fall for fart jokes but Intelligent comedy\n<pavlushka> walrider: zaki watched \"Judge Romesh\"?\n<walrider> à¦
বসà§à¦¥à¦¾ à¦à¦à¦à§ à¦à¦¾à¦²à§ à¦à¦à¦à§ à¦à¦¾à¦²à§ \n<pavlushka> lol\n<walrider> পরাশà§à¦¨à¦¾à§ à¦à¦¨à§à¦¸à§à¦¨à§à¦à§à¦°à§à¦ à¦à¦°à¦¤à§ সমসà§à¦¯à¦¾ হà¦à§à¦à§ \n<walrider> হà¦à§à¦à§ \n<walrider> মন à¦à¦¾à§ পলাঠà¦à¦¾à¦à¦à¦¾ \n<zaki> pavlushka, nah\n<walrider> ঢাà¦à¦¾ à¦à¦¾à¦à¦°à¦¾ দিà§à¦¾ \n<walrider> বাà¦à¦¦à¦¾à¦à§à§ ফà§à¦°à¦¿à¦¨à§à¦¡ à¦à¦° à¦à§à§à¦¬ à¦à¦à§à¦¾à¦ à¦
নà§à¦ পালà§à¦à¦¾à¦ à¦à§à¦¸à§ লà§à¦à§à¦¸ à¦à§à¦¡ \n<walrider> বà§à¦à¦¾à¦° দà§à¦¨ à¦à¦à¦¾à¦° \n<zaki> pavlushka, I don't like dhaka . you ? \n<walrider> i dont liek this country \n<walrider> pavlushka you ? \n<walrider> পাà¦à§à¦² à¦à¦¾à¦ বলবৠà¦à¦¨à¦¾à¦° নিঠà¦à§à¦²à¦¾ বাদ ঠà¦à¦¿à¦à§à¦ à¦à¦¾à¦²à§ লাà¦à§ না \n<walrider> karent gelO naki XD \n<zaki> pavlushka, wb\n<pavlushka> So, what do i missed?\n<walrider> wb xD \n<zaki> pavlushka, where is u-la-la hosted now? \n<zaki> pavlushka, I asked you about Dhaka \n<pavlushka> My fixed line is down so is ulala, on the phone now\n<zaki> do you like dhaka city ?\n<pavlushka> Not really\n<zaki> I don't like dhaka \n<zaki> pavlushka, where is u-la-la hosted now? \n<pavlushka> But that's the city where everything happens, can't deny that\n<zaki> yea\n<pavlushka> My line is back, see you in the other side\n<pavlushka_> zaki: u-la-la will be here shortly\n<zaki> pavlushka, where is u-la-la hosted now? \n<zaki> :D\n<walrider> ulala nai dc \n<pavlushka_> as it connects with my fixed line, hosted in my room, on a RPI\n<pavlushka_> told ya\n<zaki> pavlushka_, RPI dedicated for u-la-la ?\n<pavlushka> zaki: kinda, also that RPI works as a SPI rom flasher\n<zaki> oh.\n<pavlushka> zaki: if I move out, I have to buy another RPI for SPI rom flashing\n<walrider> identify \n<walrider> hmm \n<zaki> pavlushka, I can manage virtual space for u-la-la \n<zaki> if you agree\n<pavlushka> walrider: it's skeleton has changed, it takes commend with a dot\n<pavlushka> .tell walrider hi\n<u-la-la> pavlushka: I'll pass that on when walrider is around.\n<pavlushka> zaki: I do I do\n<zaki> pavlushka, ubuntu server enough ?\n<zaki> with 20gb space \n<pavlushka> zaki: more than enough, see I am running it on raspbian, So yes\n<zaki> I will give you the public IP with ssh access \n<pavlushka> zaki: I dont need that much but sure\n<pavlushka> zaki: you are such a dear\n<pavlushka> walrider: see ^\n<zaki> pavlushka, with 99% uptime :D\n<pavlushka> zaki: better than my home line\n<zaki> pavlushka, I will send you the details tomorrow . \n<pavlushka> zaki: I'll be waiting for you dear, lol\n<zaki> latest ubuntu server amd64\n<pavlushka> no I ma serious\n<pavlushka> 18.04?\n<zaki> yes\n<pavlushka> cool\n<zaki> yea\n<zaki> I was thinking of this for a while \n<walrider> bhai \n<u-la-la> walrider: 2020-03-01 - 18:19:06UTC <pavlushka> tell walrider hi\n<walrider> ami net chalano bad dibo \n<pavlushka> walrider: zaki watch this, it's good, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DigabNc5rxg\n<u-la-la> [ Judge Romesh Becomes A Defendant Against His Wife & Mother - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com\n<walrider> ei hair er isp amare jalai mare \n<zaki> walrider, kon iSP ?\n<walrider> BDIX cap koira purai unstable banai fele 10mb/s DL 100mb/s UL \n<walrider> Triangle \n<walrider> >:( \n<zaki> pavlushka, funny \n<zaki> added to wishlist :D \n<pavlushka> what? now this is funny\n<zaki> walrider, সবাঠদà§à¦à¦¿ Triangle রৠধà§à§à§ ফà§à¦²à¦¤à§à¦¸à§ সব à¦à¦¾à§à¦à¦¾à§ । \n<zaki> pavlushka, what is your iSP name? \n<walrider> bhai tringle has the most unfair pack ever \n<walrider> ora pack banaise thik amne dekhen: \n<pavlushka> zaki: thakurgaon online, the ISP is not that bad but the local electricity issue is terrible\n<walrider> real ip nile bdix nai \n<pavlushka> eitherway I am down\n<walrider> bdix chaile real ip nai connection unstable share ip \n<walrider> stable connection chaile abar real ip nite hobe share ip nai \n<walrider> abar \n<walrider> stable connection + bdix 100 + real ip chaile \n<walrider> main bandwith kome jay \n<walrider> 1200 takar pack e \n<walrider> tokhon bdix 100 real ip stable shob e thake \n<walrider> but main bandwidth day 6mbps \n<walrider> can you imagine ? \n<walrider> who the duck uses 6 mbps in 2020 ?\n<walrider> they named this 6mbps pack \"Premium pack \"\n<walrider> my foot\n<zaki> he he\n<walrider> bdix is the enternal internet exchange within bangladesh so as a bangali i have the 100% right to use bdix for free \n<walrider> they are literally selling bdix for money \n<walrider> no other isp do this man \n<walrider> this is open scam \n<zaki> walrider, BDIX needs maintenance \n<zaki> :D\n<walrider> no one will maintain this situation , the people are we looking to maintains has been silenced with money or has been transfered to some other platfrom or places \n<walrider> this is why i have this Country this system this web is corrupted as the politics \n<zaki> and your ISP is not directly connected to BDIX \n<zaki> they have to buy it too \n<walrider> no other isp takes money for bdix \n<walrider> not even locals \n<walrider> they gotta pay some money but thats not a big deal \n<zaki> walrider, different company has different policies . you have option to chose :P \n<zaki> pavlushka, ubuntulo1 what is this bot about ?\n<pavlushka> zaki: its the ubuntulog bot for logging\n<zaki> oh name changed \n<pavlushka> zaki: it like pavlushka_, the second alternate name\n<zaki> yea\n<walrider> palupalu \n<walrider> is better \n<zaki> walrider, ??\n<zaki> palu palu?\n<walrider> yea \n<walrider> bot name \n<zaki> oh\n<walrider> ð¤£\n<pavlushka> XD\n<pavlushka> night night buddies\n<walrider> LMAO \n<walrider> jaiga \n<walrider> gn gn \n<walrider> @everyone\n"},"meta":{"kind":"string","value":"{\n \"pile_set_name\": \"Ubuntu IRC\"\n}"}}},{"rowIdx":14,"cells":{"text":{"kind":"string","value":"#upstart 2007-01-15\n<Stev2> Hello, I have a question about starting many daemons in parallel. On my system, i start httpd,smbd,nmbd,httpd,cupsd,avahid,distccd and some others all at once at boot time. Occasionaly one or more of them fail to start, and in the logs then there are errors saying could not bind to 127.0.0.1:631 permission denied, or setgid(99) failed, permission denied. Anyone experience this?\n<Md> a randomly failing setgid is a bad, bad thing\n<Md> and the other problem looks related\n<Md> you need to understand why these daemons are being started with the wrong UID when they expect to be started by root\n<Stev2> I don't know how they could not be started by root, they are spawned from upstart, unless i am missing something.\n#upstart 2007-01-17\n* Starting logfile irclogs/upstart.log\n<AlexExtreme> great\n<AlexExtreme> the linux.conf.au website has a video of Scott's upstart talk\n<_ion> Cool, thanks for pointing that out. And since you didn't feel like giving the URL, http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2007/video/talks/102.ogg :-)\n<AlexExtreme> heh ;)\n<tiolpxe-> hi can someone please tell me how i can change my runlevel from 5 to 3 using upstream i cant see anything on it\n<AlexExtreme> upstream?\n<tiolpxe-> lol i dont know why i said that\n<tiolpxe-> lol\n<AlexExtreme> ;)\n<AlexExtreme> well\n<AlexExtreme> upstart doesn't use runlevels\n<tiolpxe-> so ive noticed\n<tiolpxe-> so am i correct in thinking a telinit 3 will allow me to boot to the cli\n<AlexExtreme> no\n<tiolpxe-> is it possible to boot to the cli then?\n<tiolpxe-> ive read the net with no diffinitive anwers\n<AlexExtreme> not sure, I don't use ubuntu\n<tiolpxe-> well ubuntu uses upstart and surely that determines whether it can\n<AlexExtreme> I don't know, I don't use ubuntu, as I just said\n<AlexExtreme> gonna disappear for a bit\n<tiolpxe-> surely this is ubuntu irrelevant\n<tiolpxe-> im asking an upstart question\n<_ion> I was just writing an answer.\n<AlexExtreme> heh\n<AlexExtreme> I hate it when people don't hang around for an answer... like, they expect an answer to be typed instantaneously :p\n<AlexExtreme> hah\n<AlexExtreme> I'm watching the upstart talk, there's a bit where scott's saying what computers were like in the past, starting from 30 years ago. the machine that's pictured for 10 years ago is the exact machine that's my router ;)\n<_ion> :-)\n#upstart 2007-01-18\n* ..[topic/#upstart:Keybuk] : Upstart 0.3.1 | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/ | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/doc/getting-started.html | http://www.netsplit.com/blog/articles/2006/12/14/upstart-0-3 | irc logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | http://lca2007.linux.org.au/talk/102\n<Keybuk> oops, battery went flat there :p\n<_ion> heh\n<Keybuk> video of my talk in the /topic now\n* Keybuk is reading the dbus test suite source\n<Keybuk> davidz was telling me about a neat malloc-fail checker they have\n<Keybuk> it detects which mallocs were run, and then re-runs the tests each time causing them to fail\n<Keybuk> though I'm trying to work out why it has a copy of gcov in it\n#upstart 2007-01-19\n<Keybuk> it's kinda nice to hear Fedora developers use phrases like \"upstart should solve this\"\n<_ion> Hehe\n<_ion> Promising\n<_ion> md: Your quit message is too long. The IRC server truncates it at a byte that isn't at a character boundary, so the message looks like \"...\" in clients that assume the line to be encoded in e.g. CP1252 if it's not valid UTF-8.\n<Md> interesting, it used to work...\n<Md> _ion: looks like vim corrupted my quotes file, I need to recover it from backups\n<_ion> md: Corrupted?\n#upstart 2007-01-20\n<mbiebl> AlexExtreme: how's your work with upstart on frugalware progressing?\n<mbiebl> Have you already started converting the legacy initscripts to upstart jobs?\n<AlexExtreme> Not yet, I'm waiting for scott to get some more of the planned features implemented\n<mbiebl> Do you already use upstart for frugalware (in compat mode)?\n<AlexExtreme> mbiebl, well, it's not in the official repos, but I have been using it with compat mode on my computer\n<AlexExtreme> brb, breakfast\n<AlexExtreme> back\n#upstart 2008-01-14\n * Keybuk tries to come up with a funny word for a roadmap update\n<Keybuk> oh, obviously -- \"Upstart 0.5 Are We There Yet?\"\n<kylem> \"no\"\n<kylem> :P\n<Keybuk> quest upstart% bzr diff -r tag:0.3.8.. | diffstat | tail -1\n<Keybuk> 63 files changed, 20985 insertions(+), 22843 deletions(-)\n<Keybuk> which amounts to 120% of the code changed\n<AlexExtreme> wow.\n<Keybuk> AlexExtreme, ion_: btw, could you both unsubscribe from https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~keybuk/libnih/old-main\n<Keybuk> and probably subscribe to https://code.launchpad.net/~keybuk/libnih/trunk instead\n<Keybuk> :)\n<kylem> Keybuk, oh, you should fix the urls in the README of both of those btw\n<Keybuk> kylem: good catch ;)\n#upstart 2008-01-15\n<ion_> keybuk: Allright. I was already following the new branches, but hadnât remembered to change the subscription at LP.\n<Keybuk> AlexExtreme: there?\n<AlexExtreme> I an\n<AlexExtreme> *am\n<Keybuk> could you unsubscribe from https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~keybuk/libnih/old-main\n<Keybuk> and probably subscribe to https://code.launchpad.net/~keybuk/libnih/trunk instead\n<AlexExtreme> ah, sure\n<Keybuk> (then I can delete it -- that branch is the old auto-mirror, trunk is hosted there natively)\n<AlexExtreme> done\n<Keybuk> init: Failed to spawn test (#0) main process: unable to execute: No such file or directory\n<Keybuk> \\o/\n<Keybuk> http://rafb.net/p/rE7u6L89.html <- full output in context\n#upstart 2008-01-16\n * Keybuk contemplates job environment\n<Keybuk> musing:\n<Keybuk> - have environment as a list in Job\n<Keybuk> - have a list of blocking events in Job\n<Keybuk> - when started by events, copy into blocking list and append event environment into Job\n<Keybuk> - when stopped by events, copy into blocking list\n<Keybuk> - when started by hand, append start environment into Job\n<Keybuk> - drop start_on/stop_on in job\n<Keybuk> - clear entire blocking list when running or when waiting\n<Keybuk> - check we don't clear stop_on but leave start_on at any point?\n<Keybuk> ... can't copy stopped events into blocking list\n<Keybuk> and don't want to clear the list while job is runnin\n<Keybuk> random thought\n<Keybuk> if a job is started manually, should its stop events still apply? :)\n<ion_> Too tired to get synapses to fire.\n<Keybuk> heh\n#upstart 2008-01-19\n<msipos_> hello, anyone here to answer a few newbie upstart questions? :)\n<msipos_> well, ok, I just posted the question here: https://answers.launchpad.net/upstart/+question/22513\n<msipos_> so, would be nice if you looked at it :)\n#upstart 2008-01-20\n<MarcWeber> Is there some kind of short reference to look up the syntax?\n<MarcWeber> Is there an example samba upstart script somewhere?\n#upstart 2009-01-12\n<sadmac2_> Keybuk: interesting\n<Keybuk> sadmac2: when you're just doing WEXITED, it's fine\n<Keybuk> but as soon as you add in things like WSTOPPED | WCONTINUED, the wait queue can change under you\n<Keybuk> (something previously queued for WCONTINUED can change to WSTOPPED or WEXITED under you)\n<sadmac2> true story\n<Keybuk> (anything can change to WEXITED, etc.)\n<keesj> wouldn't upstart benefit from a second thread to qeue this stuff?\n<Keybuk> keesj: ?\n<keesj> sorry I must have misred. I was thinking there was a problem waiting for a child because of a broken system call\n<Keybuk> well\n<Keybuk> the syscall provides a flag that is about as helpful as a chocolate teapot\n<Keybuk> but it didn't break anything, because I was just using the flag to be clever\n<sadmac2> Keybuk: chocolate teapots are delicious\n<sadmac2> I fill mine with CRACK\n<TML> Where would I find upstart's equivalent of /etc/inittab?\n<TML> Or am I perhaps barking up the wrong tree? Trying to help a friend who is on Ibex, without understanding how it works. We want to add a tty listening on the serial port for connecting a laptop to, so the box can run entirely \"headless\".\n<sadmac2> TML: /etc/event.d\n<sadmac2> TML: but you'll probably need more than that\n * sadmac2 isn't sure what manpages ubuntu ships for the jobfiles\n<Keybuk> the default ones ;)\n<sadmac2> heh\n#upstart 2009-01-13\n<keesj> hmm I make some progress in the bug I am hunting. I an now reproduces it\n<keesj> I have 3 jobs files (2 service and one \"state\" ) http://www.paste-it.net/raw/public/g3fbeff/ called test_state_exportfs test_service_exportfs and test_service_userfs\n<keesj> the exportfs \"service\" gets stated before the stop of the userfs\n<keesj> when I run a start test_state_exportfs\n<keesj> this is because my userfs is defined to stop on test_state_exportfs AND stop on test_service_exportfs\n<keesj> when I issue a start test_state_exportfs the \"userfs\" is going in a stopping state and upstart does not wait for it to be stopped before it starts the exportfs service\n<keesj> http://www.paste-it.net/public/ve5305c/ shows that (ouput of initctl events) you see that topped test_service_userfs ok\n<keesj> is printed after started test_service_exportfs\n<Keybuk> keesj: I'll look presently\n<keesj> Do you understand what I am trying to explain?\n<keesj> it looks like because the \"state\" service already puts the userfs service in a \"stopping mode\" that a check upon start of the exportfs service it does not wait for the userfs service because that one is not \"running\"\n<Keybuk> I haven't read it yet\n<Keybuk> ok\n<Keybuk> reading now\n<Keybuk> test_service_exportfs - this will start before test_state_exportfs\n<Keybuk> test_service_userfs - this will stop before either test_state_exportfs or test_service_exportfs\n<Keybuk> you run\n<Keybuk> start test_state_exportfs\n<Keybuk> I would expect to see test_service_exportfs starting->running followed by test_state_exportfs starting->running\n<Keybuk> that appears to me to be what your events output shows?\n<Keybuk> http://rafb.net/p/HxXtYN53.html\n<Keybuk> WFM\n<Keybuk> I started test_service_userfs\n<Keybuk> then started test_state_exportfs\n<Keybuk> that stopped userfs, started service_exportfs, and then concluded starting state_exportfs\n<notting> sadmac2: built it for f9/f10. didn't add anything in bodhi for it\n<sadmac2> notting: ok\n<notting> sadmac2: there's a -21 because i didn't add a changelog the first time\n<sadmac2> notting: yeah, I forgot that bit :)\n<sadmac2> notting: If you want to test em a bit you can. Other than \"does telinit u cause explosions\" theres nothing to look for\n<Keybuk> keesj: I think you're just getting confused because you're looking at the order of resulting evefnts\n<Keybuk> keesj: upstart tends to focus on one service at a time, so it's not unusual to see events in what might appear to be out-of-order\n<Keybuk> keesj: use initctl jobs for debugging instead\n<plundra> I know there is inictl restart in 0.5, but is there a 'restart' aswell? Just as 'start' etc. that is.\n<plundra> In that case, can you 'restart job1 job2 job3' (just as you can start multiple ones)\n<plundra> If so, that's fucking awesome :-] Man I hate Ubuntu 8.04 uses 0.3.9\n<Keybuk> plundra: there is if you make a symlink to it\n<Keybuk> it was added sufficiently late that the symlink isn't there by default, but it probably should be\n<keesj> re\n<keesj> Keybuk it really happens that the userfs service is not stopped(still stopping) while the export service is started\n<keesj> in you paste line 12 the export service is starting and line 13 only hte userfs is stopped\n<keesj> and only in line 19 the service is stopped \n<keesj> while at that point the service exportfs clearly looks like running\n<keesj> I will have more time tomotow , I will test on 0.5\n<Keybuk> keesj: I don't understand what you're trying to tell me\n<Keybuk> in my paste, I start test_state_exportfs\n<Keybuk> it *clearly* waits for test_service_userfs to stop *and* for test_service_exportfs to start\n<keesj> indeed but not for userfs to stop before is starts exportfs\n<Keybuk> yes, it clearly does\n<Keybuk> line 19, test_service_userfs (stop) waiting\n<Keybuk> userfs has fully stopped\n<Keybuk> line 20, test_state_exportfs (start) pre-start, process 10490\n<Keybuk> exportfs actually begins to start\n<Keybuk> this is working as intended\n<Keybuk> how are you expecting it to work?\n<keesj> I expect service_userfs to be fully stopped before service_exportfs starts\n<Keybuk> that's exactly what's happening\n<Keybuk> I don't understand your confusion\n<Keybuk> line 19, service_userfs is *fully* stopped\n<Keybuk> line 20, state_exportfs starts\n<Keybuk> there's nothing in your job to cause service_userfs to wait on service_exportfs?\n<Keybuk> the \"stop on starting test_state_exportfs\" is the key one\n<Keybuk> ah\n<Keybuk> do you think that having two \"stop on\" means \"and\" ?\n<Keybuk> (it doesn't - it means or)\n<Keybuk> you would need to use 0.5 for the behaviour you want\n<Keybuk> *and* your clause is wrong anyway if you want service_exportfs fully started\n<Keybuk> stop on starting test_state_exportfs and started test_service_exportfs\n<keesj> what I want is that when i start state_exportfs is FIRST userfs gets fully stopped and after that only the service_exportfs get started starts. \n<keesj> that is why i added the second stop on starting exportfs\n<Keybuk> then service_exportfs needs \"stopped userfs\"\n<keesj> right\n<Keybuk> start on starting test_state_exportfs and stopped test_service_userfs\n<Keybuk> 0.5 only\n<keesj> but 0.5 can only have one start line right?\n<Keybuk> right\n<sadmac2> Keybuk: I am about to head out, but have you looked at my crude little state machine lately?\n<sadmac2> is the implementation helping any?\n<Keybuk> sadmac2: no, haven't looked at all\n<sadmac2> (I'm going to write a manpage/user document after I get a little more into it)\n<sadmac2> ah\n<sadmac2> well there's enough there now to be worthwhile\n<Keybuk> keesj: only 0.5 has \"and\" behaviour\n<Keybuk> in 0.3 everything is \"or\"\n<Keybuk> and \"or\" doesn't give you what you want\n<keesj> well or is fine for me but apparently at the moment upstart starts the service_userfs it does not stop service_userfs. because (and I am guessing) the service_userfs is in \"not started\" mode.\n<keesj> off to bed now\n<Keybuk> no\n<Keybuk> nothing to do with that\n<Keybuk> it doesn't wait because nothing tells it to\n<Keybuk> you don't have any instruction for upstart to wait\n<Keybuk> it won't wait because you haven't told it to\n<Keybuk> it doesn't know what you're thinking ;)\n<plundra> Keybuk: Ok, sweet :-)\n<plundra> Too bad not even the upcoming Ubuntu 9.04 or Debian experimental has 0.5 yet (!)\n<Keybuk> plundra: I'm not particularly planning to put 0.5 into Ubuntu\n<plundra> Keybuk: Bleh, why not? :-)\n<plundra> restart would pretty nifty\n<plundra> And from what I read in the changes, loads of other stuff were redone etc.\n<Keybuk> the userspace was never really finished\n<Keybuk> and 0.5 has various other problems\n<Keybuk> none of its new features help Ubuntu\n<Keybuk> and I'd rather spend my effort working on 0.10\n<plundra> Ok, I see.\n<plundra> So what's planned for 0.10? :-D\n<Keybuk> lots\n<plundra> Mkay, rewrites again? (Lots of stuff was remade for 0.5, right?)\n<Keybuk> the main change is dropping \"start on\"/\"stop on\"\n<plundra> Oh, ok.\n#upstart 2009-01-14\n<sadmac2> Keybuk: \"As mentioned in Chapter 3, every CPU of a multiprocessor system has its own /swapper/ process with PID equal to 0\"\n<sadmac2> Understanding the Linux Kernel 3rd edition\n<sadmac2> so there /is/ a PID 0\n<Keybuk> I thought swapper went away long ago?\n<sadmac2> the book is current to 2.6.10, so it could be\n<sadmac2> Nov. 2005 publish date\n#upstart 2009-01-18\n<sergeykish> hello, is it a channel about http://upstart.ubuntu.com ?\n<sergeykish> see it :-)\n<sergeykish> I've created a python daemon and run it using upstart. It runs good - I can see it using `ps ax | grep name`, but `status name` shows (stop)\n<sergeykish> I run script using exec: $ cat /etc/event.d/tamagotchi \n<sergeykish> exec /usr/local/sbin/tamagotchi.py\n<sadmac> sergeykish: does your python daemon fork?\n<sergeykish> sadmac, yes\n<sergeykish> it use standart daemonize method\n<sergeykish> sadmac, thanks - googled the `upstart daemon fork` and found decision https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/99962\n<sadmac> np\n#upstart 2010-01-19\n<tj___> hi.. a question about temporarily disabling services managed by upstart from starting.. let's say i'd like to disable some service for a reason or another but don't want to uninstall the package. in debian/ubuntu, with traditional init scripts, you could disable a service from starting on boot by running update-rc.d -f <service> remove\n<tj___> is there something similar for upstart or do i just need to remove the conf file under /etc/init ?\n<sadmac2> tj___: nothing similar as of yet\n<tj___> ok\n<tj___> i have an ltsp server setup with local apps. handy for trying out machines, testing motherboards etc. quickly without having local disks. by default it'll boot to desktop. but in the pxe menu i've setup an entry for a quick non-graphical boot with minimum services running. it passes a special command line option to kernel. then i have a custom boot script which is run very early in the boot process. it'll check for this boot argument and if exists, it'll remove g\n<tj___> this worked fine until karmic but now that more services are using upstart, i need to figure out another way to do that\n<tj___> i'd rather not just remove the conf file for the service as it would be handy if you could manually start any service after the boot if needed, only autostart on boot should be disabled\n<sadmac2> remove g?\n<tj___> g?\n<sadmac2> \" it'll check for this boot argument and if exists, it'll remove g\"\n<tj___> ah that was clipped\n<tj___> it'll remove gdm and other desktop related services using update-rc.d from the root fs which is unionfs-on-top-of-squashfs-mounted-over-nbd\n<sadmac2> tj___: you have some strange ways of operating\n<tj___> could be but it works^Hed :)\n<mbiebl> tj___: just comment out the \"start on\" in the upstart job files\n<keesj> HI\n<keesj> How or when does upstart connect to the dbus-daemon system bus?\n<keesj> is this something I can configure?\n<keesj> I am mainly interested in talking to upstart from a user accont and possibly using the dbus-daemon 's system configuration to configure who can access the upstart daemon\n<sadmac2> keesj: it used to connect when launched, which meant if you ran it before dbus (i.e. the way you'd always run it in a non-test environment) it would never connect. I think something was done about this but I'm not sure.\n<keesj> I would find it somewhat strange if upstart would not start the daemon itself and on my ubuntu machine. it starts dbus-daemon itself\n<keesj> but I think I found the trick..\n<keesj> post-start exec kill -USR1 1\n<sadmac2> keesj: exactly\n<keesj> in the dbus.conf will probably make upsart try again\n<sadmac2> sounds right\n<sadmac2> though I wonder why ubuntu doesn't have that already if it was put it.\n<sadmac2> *in\n<keesj> i ubuntu it is\n<keesj> http://paste-it.net/public/x881ffb/\n<keesj> it just lacks a comment why I did that :p\n<sadmac2> perfect then\n<keesj> thanks for helping\n<h_lfline_> notting: hey so i'm looking at your prefdm.conf / gdm.conf stuff\n<h_lfline_> woah i have underscores\n<sadmac2> h_lfline_: you're loosing vowels rapidly\n<h_lfline_> anyway, noticed a typo\n<h_lfline_> if [ -f /etc/init/$base.conf ]\n<h_lfline_> should probably be /etc/event.d/$base.conf\n<h_lfline_> but i wonder if that's the most \"upstarty\" way to do it\n<notting> /etc/init is the 0.6.x path\n<notting> /etc/event.d is the 0.3.x path\n<h_lfline_> ohhhhhh\n<h_lfline_> makes sense\n<sadmac2> h_lfline_: this should probably be in fedora-devel really. We've been coming down on the ubuntu questions pretty hard, so for fairness sake I should mention it.\n<notting> the problem is that if multiple DMs have installed jobs, you need to explicitly start one; you can't have them all start on a generic event\n<h_lfline_> but say you had a dm event\n<h_lfline_> with a DM variable\n<h_lfline_> then the only two competing would be the relevant dm and the fallback task\n<h_lfline_> sadmac2: oh i brought discussion here in case keybuk was around\n<h_lfline_> you guys probably know the internals of upstart a lot better than i do though\n<sadmac2> h_lfline_: there is that. anyway its venturing into more generic upstart stuff anyway\n<h_lfline_> notting: so i wonder if we could have the fallback task sit back and wait\n<h_lfline_> and only chime in if the main event doesn't show up\n<notting> that sounds messy to code\n<h_lfline_> i'm looking at this state diagram that's in the upstart tree\n<h_lfline_> and it looks like things shoot to stopping if nothing is around \n<h_lfline_> so maybe we could have a handler on stopping that checks if runlevel is still 5\n<h_lfline_> and if so starts fallback\n<h_lfline_> unless there's some upstart mechanism for \"no one caught the event\"\n<sadmac2> h_lfline_: Is this absolutely necessary?\n<h_lfline_> no absolutely not\n<h_lfline_> just trying to come up with the most upstart-y way of doing things\n<h_lfline_> if doing [ -f /etc/init/$base.conf ] && start $base is the right way to go\n<h_lfline_> then that's fine with me\n<notting> backing up, the idea we're trying to solve\n<notting> we pick a $foo to start\n<notting> we want to start a specific provided-by-$foo job if it exists; if not, start a generic job that starts $foo\n<notting> hence the logic abov\n<sadmac2> oh I see. hmm...\n<sadmac2> notting: the way I'd do it would be to have the fallback job check if the provided-by-$foo job has already started, and if so, terminate itself. Then the special foo job should start on starting generic-job\n<h_lfline_> so the question is, do we detect if a job doesn't exist by doing if [ ! -f /etc/init.d/$job.conf ] or is there some upstart hook to say \"only call me if for this event if no one else takes it\"\n<notting> sadmac2: that would mean the fallback would need to know all possible names of provided-by-$foo. sounds painful\n<h_lfline_> sadmac2: is there a way to ensure job ordering?\n<h_lfline_> ohhh start on starting is the way you keep order\n<sadmac2> notting: not really\n<notting> sadmac2: how do you know what to check for otherwise?\n<sadmac2> notting: what you would do is have all of the provided-by-$foo jobs start another job called dm-started DISPLAY=$whatever. That job would have no executable. Its a \"state\" if you will\n<sadmac2> notting: then you detect the presence of that (initctl list) to determine if the display manager is up\n<sadmac2> notting: thereby implementing a good chunk of upstart 1.0 in userspace in bash :)\n<h_lfline_> you mean \"initctl status dm-started \"\n<h_lfline_> ?\n<notting> sounds messy\n<sadmac2> notting: its one line in each of the generic jobs ( post-start start dm-started ) and really not much in the generic job\n<sadmac2> *one line in each of the specific jobs\n<notting> so you'd have specific job: 'start on start-dm DM=foo', and then 'post-start initctl emit started-dm'\n<notting> and the generic job has 'start on start-dm', 'stop on started-dm'. with a sleep thrown in?\n<h_lfline_> start on starting start-dm DM=foo\n<sadmac2> notting: the specific job would have start on starting generic-dm-job DM=foo\n<h_lfline_> i think sadmac was saying if you put the \"starting\" then you don't need a sleep\n<sadmac2> notting: the idea is we always just try to run the generic job, and then we just have the specific jobs jump in the way and say \"wait!\"\n<notting> 'bar: start on starting foo' implies bar must finish before foo starts?\n<sadmac2> notting: yes.\n<sadmac2> notting: when jobs emit events they wait for all the responders to finish responding before they continue. Its a very important part of how upstart works.\n * notting goes off to write the 'start on starting startup' job\n<sadmac2> notting: and actually you don't need the dm-started state. you could have the specific jobs just have \"post-start stop generic-job\"\n<sadmac2> notting: and then the generic job will never get past starting.\n<h_lfline_> oh that's a littler nicer\n<h_lfline_> so you have start on starting display-manager DM=gdm\n<sadmac2> notting: that has the advantage that the generic job can be written in a vacuum, with no knowledge that there is such a thing as a specific job or that it might run instead.\n<h_lfline_> psot-start stop display-manager\n<h_lfline_> hmm that doesn't sound right\n<h_lfline_> maybe it should be called display-manager-arbiter or something\n<sadmac2> h_lfline_: it doesn't but it is\n<sadmac2> h_lfline_: yeah, name it as you like\n<notting> sadmac2: although it does mean that the individual jobs need to know about the generic job\n<sadmac2> notting: indeed, but they'd have to know about some event or something that was going to kick them off anyway.\n<sadmac2> notting: so they don't need to know more than usual.\n<notting> sadmac2: not as written now, but as halfline says, it's a bit hackish\n<sadmac2> notting: I'm on my way home. I could stop by and look at what you have\n<notting> lemme bounce you the mail\n<sadmac2> by on my way home I mean about to grab my coat\n<notting> i have to head out in ~15 anyway\n<sadmac2> cool\n<h_lfline_> clearly it should be called \"quest-to-find-a-display-manager\"\n<h_lfline_> start on starting quest-to-find-a-display-manager\n<h_lfline_> post-start stop quest-to-find-a-display-manager\n<notting> h_lfline_: of course, this is ignoring the contortions where it figures out what it needs to start. ah, legacy installbases and config files\n<h_lfline_> yea i'm pretty sure there's not much we can do about those checks and heuristics\n<keesj> how about an all-display-manager-rise \n#upstart 2010-01-20\n * ajb`` suspects what he's trying to do won't be possible with 0.3.9\n<sadmac2> ajb``: I don't entirely understand the question\n<ajb``> sadmac2: I want to use upstarts respawn directive to ensure the daemon is restarted if it crashes.\n<ajb``> sadmac2: However if I want the daemon to pick up defaults from /etc/defaults/daemonname I need to use a script to start it\n<ajb``> That doesn't seem to work, at least on 0.3.9 respawn can only deal with a direct exec as otherwise upstart looses track of the daemons pid\n<ion> script\n<ion> . /etc/defaults/foo\n<ion> exec program args\n<ion> end script\n<ion> Make sure program doesnât fork, thatâs all.\n<ajb``> I tried that, but it didn't seem to work\n * ajb`` tries again\n<ajb``> :-) it works now.. I must of had a subtly broken config before (probably experimenting with the daemon/fork directives)\n<ajb``> ion: thanks\n<ajb``> I'm guessing Hardy doesn't have any debhelper scripts for packaging things in /etc/event.d?\n<ion> It doesnât.\n<ajb``> Is there any support for spawning processes under another uid? Or is that behaviour expected to be handled by the daemons themselves?\n<sadmac2> ajb``: there isn't yet. Upstart is poised to grow some very elaborate permissions stuff, so Scott didn't want to offer you a \"wrong way of doing things.\"\n<ajb``> Hmm, I shall have to solve the problem another way for now then....\n<ajb``> I'm guessing post-start scripts have no gaurentee the daemon has run? Can the wait?\n<ajb``> s/the/the post-start script/\n<sadmac2> ajb``: if the daemon fails then the post-start shouldn't run\n<mbiebl> ajb``: I guess you just use su -c for now\n<ajb``> sadmac2: I want to be sure the daemon has created it's socket before tweaking it's permissions\n<sadmac2> ajb``: that makes no sense from a security standpoint\n<sadmac2> ajb``: you want to make sure the daemon has an opportunity to do things before you worry about it doing bad things?\n<ajb``> sadmac2: least bad option, I can't do su -c ${DAEMON} as that confuses upstart's process tracking\n<ajb``> as forks will have happened\n<ajb``> So option 2, allow the daemon to run as root but tweak it's comms socket to be group writable to the the things that need to talk to it\n<sadmac2> ajb``: su is not /supposed/ to fork I think. haven't figured out why it does\n<sadmac2> ion: where is scott these days?\n<ajb``> sadmac2: doesn't su always imply a shell getting invoked at some point?\n<ajb``> http://pastebin.com/m74d9c60e\n<ion> sadmac: He had a vacation last week, but heâs been active in Launchpad this week. Dunno why heâs not here.\n<ajb``> Short of patching the daemon (rrdcached btw) to be a suid binary I think a chgrp/chmod of the socket is the easiest way for now\n<ajb``> When we move our product to the next LTS (assuming upstart has the new permission stuff) I can look at making it neater\n<ajb``> Anyway thanks for the help, have to head off now\n<mbiebl> ion, sadmac2: I think Scott's at LCA\n<mbiebl> http://www.lca2010.org.nz/programme/schedule/monday\n<ion> Ah\n<sadmac2> mbiebl: that'd do it\n#upstart 2010-01-21\n<wt> Anyone here know how to run the tests in the upstart sources?\n<wt> make test didn't work\n<ion> make check IIRC\n<wt> indeed...thanks\n<wt> is there any way to disable dbus support?\n<ion> dbus-the-protocol or dbus-the-daemon?\n<ion> As for the former, *why*? As for the latter, just donât use dbus-the-daemon.\n#upstart 2010-01-22\n<mase_wk> hi ppl, is it possible to use upstart to run an application when a file has been modified ?\n<sadmac2> mase_wk: there's nothing built into upstart to do that\n<sadmac2> mase_wk: you could have somes sort of inotify daemon tell upstart to run things, but then you could also have it run them directly (depending on your application upstart man be the better choice)\n<SatanClaus> hey guys, once more I'm trying to update my old init-scripts. this time a script which automatically performs a backup. In the old system I started it in runlevel 0 via link: /etc/rc0.d/S15backup, so after all daemons stopped, but before the partitions are unmounted.\n<SatanClaus> is there some list of events, which are thrown during shutdown, so I know which event to bind my script to?\n<sadmac2> SatanClaus: that depends on your distro's setup. You should ask in #yourdistro\n<SatanClaus> ubuntu 9.10 again... is there some way to log all events cronologically into a file?\n<sadmac2> SatanClaus: you might make a job that just logs its triggering event to a file and make it \"start on *\"\n<sadmac2> ...I think that works\n<SatanClaus> yupp, thought about that, but 2 problems: 1: how do I assign the calling event (start on *) to a variable, which I could then log? 2: doesn't the start of my job then produce events itself (starting, etc.), which would cause an infinite loop?\n<sadmac2> SatanClaus: the infinite loop thing is... interesting\n<sadmac2> SatanClaus: the name of the event is put into the script environment for you\n<SatanClaus> can't find it in the docs again... how's that variable called then?\n<SatanClaus> $EVENT ??? ;)\n<sadmac2> I think its UPSTART_EVENTS\n<SatanClaus> events?\n<SatanClaus> so possibly even multiple?\n<sadmac2> SatanClaus: yes. thanks to the \"and\" operator your job can actually be triggered by two or more events\n<ion> Upstart doesnât really do shutdown in Ubuntu 9.10. The sysvrc scripts still handle it. My suggestion for the next-generation Upstart is that âsystem runningâ is a state, and anything that should happen just before shutting down should get triggered by the âsystem pre-stopâ event or equivalent, and the âsystem post-stopâ script would call reboot -f/halt -f.\n<SatanClaus> ah, true... cause I thought about that one as well... i first wanted to specify \"ok, my backup shall be start on stopping mountall and stopping networking\", but what if for any reason mountall needs to stop after networking is stopped. wouldn't that cause a lock?\n<sadmac2> SatanClaus: yes. The and operator is an ugly thing\n<sadmac2> SatanClaus: generally stay away from it.\n<SatanClaus> ion: yupp, such an event would be nice\n<SatanClaus> sadmac2: so upstart doesn't detect deadlocks?\n<sadmac2> SatanClaus: the theory behind upstart was that deadlocks would be impossible\n<SatanClaus> ok ;)\n<SatanClaus> thought i just presented a counter example\n<ion> The *implementation* is on its way to the goal. :-P\n<SatanClaus> ;)\n<SatanClaus> ok, cause an admin should be warned about such things...\n<sadmac2> SatanClaus: the and operator was... not implemented on one of Keybuk's good days.\n<SatanClaus> but for this you'd need a simulation run, etc.\n<ion> We can ditch the and operator in its current form as soon as we get real states into Upstart.\n<SatanClaus> ok, so as my backup currently runs I'll leave it like it is for now ;) nevertheless one thing: the output of the old sysinitv script is gone, can I get it back somehow?\n<SatanClaus> (i.e. the script writes output about its progress to stdout, which is gone since upstart)\n<sadmac2> SatanClaus: that's an Ubuntu issue\n<sadmac2> SatanClaus: and I think they may tell you NOTABUG when you ask\n<ion> exec >log 2>&1\n<SatanClaus> ion: uhm, where should I put that... currently i only have the old sysinitv link in /etc/rc0.d\n<SatanClaus> so there's no upstart .conf file\n<SatanClaus> at least not for the backup\n<sadmac2> SatanClaus: that goes in the top of your sysvrc, and \"log\" is the name of a logfile\n<sadmac2> SatanClaus: so he's telling you to go log the output\n<SatanClaus> uhm, but I want to see it...\n<SatanClaus> while shutting down\n<sadmac2> SatanClaus: I believe Ubuntu policy forbids making that easy\n<SatanClaus> anyhow, I know that tomcat is shown somehow, I'll investigate that ;)\n<SatanClaus> hmm, i think it's bad style not to tell the user what's going on... so if all old sysinitv scripts are muted by default... ugh\n<SatanClaus> hmm, i don't understand why other sysinitv scripts can show their output with echo on screen, while my script can't.\n<SatanClaus> there's no \"console output\" stanza in /etc/init/rc.conf\n<SatanClaus> and when I track back the log-calls in /etc/rc0.d/K08tomcat6 then I can find that it uses echo as well\n<SatanClaus> ok, via a function in /lib/lsb/init-functions, but I don't know how this could matter.\n<sadmac2> SatanClaus: maybe its piping to somewhere\n<SatanClaus> thought about that, but couldn't find anything\n<sadmac2> SatanClaus: use whatever tomcat's using\n<SatanClaus> i can't, i don't only want to see echo output but also rsync\n<sadmac2> hm\n#upstart 2010-01-23\n<SatanClaus> sadmac2: found the problem, have to write to /dev/console instead of stdout\n<SatanClaus> so a line of \"exec > /dev/console 2>&1\" would've been enough ;)\n#upstart 2011-01-17\n<djszapi> how about Keybuk ? :)\n<djszapi> where does upstart not print the process ID in few cases ?\n<djszapi> s/where/why/\n<djszapi> process id with exec lines and no process id with script lines ?\n<ion> It always tells the pid itâs tracking.\n<djszapi> what do you mean ion ?\n<djszapi> sysconfig-middle start/running\n<djszapi> gconfd start/running, process 438\n<djszapi> I have got lines like this, one of them with no PID.\n<ion> sysconfig-middle probably has no main process.\n<djszapi> how can that be ?\n<djszapi> some main process should be in any case, at least I thought that way :o\n<ion> Nope, itâs optional.\n<djszapi> I thought a tool is run from script section or with exec.\n<djszapi> and there is a main process in both cases.\n<ion> yes\n<djszapi> I am confused then :-S\n<djszapi> What other way is there ?\n<ion> script/exec is optional.\n<djszapi> is, but both have main process.\n<djszapi> My another issue is that when I try to enable the \"--verbose\" boot command-line option then I do not get this kind of messages (we discussed on Friday): Jan 14 14:52:49 deathspank init: tty6 main process (8557).\n<ion> sysconfig-middle doesnât seem to have a main process, judging from the fact that what you pasted from initctl status/list says so.\n<ion> Try initctl log-priority [PRIORITY]\n<djszapi> well, it should do the same like verbose.\n<djszapi> \"initctl log-priority warn\"\n<djszapi> but tried it out, did not help.\n<djszapi> I definitely think what was run from a script section that does not have PID as said in the beginning.\n<djszapi> but that is why they should have in warn, verbose mode a 'Jan 14 14:52:49 deathspank init: tty6 main process (8557)'-like entry which I do not have...\n<djszapi> so it should show the PID of the shell, ttyS6 oslt.\n<djszapi> for example: sysconfig-middle has a parent process and I would like to know that's PID.\n<djszapi> * obviously has\n<djszapi> any idea anybody, please ?\n<robs_> hi\n<robs_> I have a problem with upstart \"stop\" and \"start\" commands inside a 10.04 Vserver Guest\n<robs_> it seems it's the same problem outlined here\n<robs_> http://www.freak-search.com/de/thread/2643371/vserver_problems_installing_ubuntu_10.10_as_a_guest_of_a_debian_host\n<robs_> I have the same problem (ie stop \"service\" or start \"service\" hangs), this is the debug I get from \"stop dbus\" inside a ubuntu 10.04 guest: http://pastebin.com/AjA2sAKG\n<JanC> robs_: issues with upstart inside a vserver are a known problem\n<robs_> JanC: following http://linux-vserver.org/Upstart_issues the machine boots and halts just fine\n<robs_> JanC: only \"start\" and \"stop\" hang\n<djszapi> I cannot believe I need to use audit or other kernellevel stuff directly to get the PID of the parent for a command that was run from the script field of upstart.\n<djszapi> it just seems a bit khm.. :)\n<djszapi> * upstart configuration file.\n<djszapi> no idea why it cannot be the part of upstart :(\n<JanC> djszapi: are you sure the main script is still running?\n<djszapi> how does that matter ?\n<djszapi> syslog entry should be done when it runs ?\n<JanC> and upstart is not 1.0 yet, some features are still on the TODO list ;)\n<djszapi> I know but I have been told on Friday it is possible with verbose cli boot parameter\n<djszapi> and it seems that statement 1) was not true 2) I do somehing wrong\n<djszapi> JanC: do you have any idea ?\n<djszapi> Keybuk mentioned me on Friday: with verbose I should get like: Jan 14 14:52:49 deathspank init: tty6 main process (8557) in syslog\n<djszapi> where tty6 is the 'sh' where the command was run from.\n<djszapi> from the upstart config file's script entry.\n<djszapi> btw, where is it the best to ask questions if this channel is not OK for that ?\n<JanC> djszapi: all the jobs I see with start/running and no PID are jobs that have no main exec/script, but only pre/post-start/stop\n<JanC> and this channel is fine for asking questions, alternatively you can try the mailing list\n<djszapi> well I did not still get any answer.\n<djszapi> from this morning.\n<djszapi> the question is still the same, how can I get the process id of the parent ?\n<djszapi> wherever it was run from, let it be pre/post-start/stop\n<JanC> are you sure it is still running?\n<djszapi> I need the pid when it was running.\n<djszapi> aegis-loader:191,sh:188,init:1 -> that is the call tree\n<djszapi> and I would like to get 188 back.\n<djszapi> aegis start/running\n<djszapi> aegis.conf run the aegis-loader in a post-start like way\n<djszapi> but I need to know the PID of the parent ('sh')\n<djszapi> do you understand ?\n<JanC> yes âº\n<djszapi> define \"yes ?\" :)\n<djszapi> otherwise I would say 'yes'.\n<JanC> what you apparently see as a \"?\" was a smiley\n<djszapi> pardon ?\n<JanC> yes, I understand what you want now\n<djszapi> do you know the answer how to do it ?\n<djszapi> verbose is supposed to do that.\n<djszapi> also initctl log-priority warn\n<djszapi> but none of them works :(\n<djszapi> JanC: feel free to help me, if you can :P\n<JanC> djszapi: I did some test, and for me it lists pre-start shell PIDs ?\n<JanC> djszapi: maybe you don't need 'warn' but 'info'?\n<JanC> warn should only show warnings & errors?\n<djszapi> JanC: verbose should work anyway.\n<djszapi> but I am trying with info\n<JanC> 'debug' will show even more, but 'info' should be enough\n<djszapi> does it work with 'warn' by you ?\n<djszapi> no pid with info either.\n<djszapi> JanC: http://pastebin.com/HVGiQHqz\n<djszapi> which is supposed to be the PID of the 'sh' line ?\n<djszapi> captrace lines are internal stuff, you can skip them, not that important tho.\n<JanC> http://pastebin.com/4CSGKYhm --> you can see the PID (13885) of the shell that executes the post-stop script (which only runs \"sleep 10\", hence it takes exactly 10 seconds to run)\n<JanC> that's with log-priority info\n<JanC> didn't test 'warn', but from the docs 'warn' shouldn't show this ;)\n<JanC> \"`warn' (ordinary messages are suppressed whilst still logging warnings and errors);\"\n<JanC> does your dbus job have any pre/post-stop scripts?\n<djszapi> re\n<djszapi> JanC: I do not really understand why you keep repeating this pre/post-start/stop thingy\n<djszapi> it should return the PID of the parent in *any* case\n<JanC> djszapi: it seems like it currently doesn't log the PID of the shell indeed\n<JanC> in that case\n<djszapi> you mean in my pastebin, right ?\n<JanC> not only in your pastebin, also on my system\n<djszapi> that is a BUG\n<djszapi> Scott mentioned it should.\n<djszapi> JanC: what to do then ?\n#upstart 2011-01-18\n<hackeron> quick upstart question - when using exec, how do I execute a process as a different user?\n<ion> A future release of Upstart will have native support for that, but for now, e.g. something like exec su -s /bin/sh -c 'exec \"$0\" \"$@\"' username -- /path/to/command [parametersâ¦]\n<hackeron> ion: I see, I take it if I do that, then using chdir is kind of pointless in the service config file, right?\n<hackeron> and I created a new file /etc/init/xanview_backend.conf - how do I make it available as a service?\n<hackeron> ah, service --status-all didn't show it, but initctl list did :) - service won't start though, where does upstart log errors?\n<hackeron> I'm trying to do: \n<hackeron> exec su -s /bin/bash -c 'cd /opt/xanview; exec \"$0\" \"$@\"' xanview -- python run_core.py >/tmp/logfile.txt 2>/tmp/logfile.txt\n<hackeron> when I run it just says initctl: Job failed to start\n<hackeron> same in syslog\n<hackeron> no log file is created :/\n<hackeron> any ideas?\n<hackeron> anyone here?\n<ion> Please pastebin the job definition. Also, using /bin/bash there is not the best idea, as it most likely loads much more slowly than whatever /bin/sh you have.\n<hackeron> I got it working, there was a command that failed to run on pre-start script -- now trying to make it start after postgresql\n<hackeron> if I manually do start xanview_backend - it starts\n<hackeron> if I restart postgresql it stops and starts\n<hackeron> but it won't start on boot :/\n<hackeron> I'm using this line: start on started postgresql until stopping postgresql\n<hackeron> and switching to sh, thanks\n<ion> init(5) doesnât say âuntilâ is a special word. That line means it starts on the âstarted postgresql until stopping postgresqlâ event which probably never comes.\n<ion> start on started postgresql\n<ion> stop on stopping postgresql\n<hackeron> thanks trying\n<hackeron> ion: no go :( - any ideas? < http://pastie.org/1472215\n<hackeron> ion: it all works fine and stops/starts with postgres if I do start xanview_frontend - but it won't start on boot :(\n<ion> postgres starts properly?\n<hackeron> hmm, actually status postgresql says unknown but service --status-all shows [ + ] postgresql\n<ion> service concerns sysvinit scripts, not Upstart jobs. You donât seem to have a postgres job in your system.\n<hackeron> service shows my xanview_frontend running - so seems to have upstart jobs as well as sysvinit?\n<hackeron> but I'm guessing there is no such event as postgresql started\n<hackeron> any recommendations for an equivalent?\n<ion> A quick workaround would be adding âinitctl emit starting-postgresqlâ in /etc/init.d/postgresql-⦠just before the service is started and âinitctl emit started-postgresqlâ just after, as well as âinitctl emit stopping-postgresqlâ and âinitctl emit stopped-postgresqlâ around where the service is being stopped. Then use âstart on starting-postgresqlâ and âstop on stopped-postgresqlâ in your job.\n<hackeron> ion: oooh, very nice, thanks for that\n<ion> Sorry, i mean âstart on started-postgresqlâ and âstop on stopping-postgresqlâ of course.\n<ion> You might want to do 'set -e; cd /opt/xanview; exec â¦' so that failure to change directory stops it from going forward. Or 'cd /opt/xanview && exec â¦', whichever you find nicer.\n<hackeron> added :)\n<hackeron> wow, that is really beautiful\n<hackeron> thanks for your help :)\n<ion> A future version of Upstart will transparently handle legacy sysvinit scripts, but thatâs still some time away.\n<hackeron> very nice, now I see just how much better it is compared to sysvinit :)\n<djszapi> ion: why is upstart used in so many projects if it is in childhood ?\n<djszapi> oops, not for ion only ovb.\n<djszapi> * obv\n<djszapi> How can I see pre-start exec $CSD pre-start like lines in upstart config jobs ?\n<djszapi> I was reading on the official website exec, processing should not occur in pre/post stuff, just preparetion + cleaning\n<ion> djszapi: Millions of Ubuntu users have been running it for years with success.\n<JanC> upstart has all the features it needs to emulate sysvinit, so it can replace that in projects without problems\n<JanC> then implementing more and more services as upstart jobs makes it clearer what is really needed\n<JanC> djszapi: what you try to do seems to be something new & unpredicted, and is exactly the reason why it's a good idea to use it before it's \"finished\" ;)\n<djszapi> JanC: do idea what you mean\n<djszapi> upstart misses basic features\n<JanC> \"basic features\" that aren't in most other init systems anyway?\n<djszapi> your mean ?\n<JanC> considering tens of millions of people have been using upstart for 3 or 4 years now, and you are the first to complain about this particular feature, it can't be \"basic\"?\n<djszapi> to print out a pid is not a basic thing ?\n<djszapi> come on :)\n<JanC> which doesn't mean the complaint is invalid, just not \"basic usage\"\n<JanC> it prints a PID\n<JanC> just not the one you want ;)\n<djszapi> rotfl :D\n<hackeron> djszapi: it also misses being able to start a process as a different user :) - it misses loads of vital basic little things, but it's still the best we've got :)\n<djszapi> not for me\n<djszapi> audit is bette for me right now\n<hackeron> link?\n<djszapi> sorry, but I am at home and I would like to focus for the KDE project :)\n<djszapi> let us speak about it during the daytime when I spend my time in the main job :P\n<hackeron> ok, for now, link please?\n<djszapi> http://google.com\n<hackeron> I tried, nothing\n<JanC> hackeron: he needs teh PID of the shell that starts the daemon instead of the PID of the daemon\n<djszapi> not true\n<djszapi> not instead of the daemon\n<JanC> well, in addition\n<djszapi> I just need that and that is all\n<djszapi> not a biggie.\n<hackeron> JanC: well, he said audit does it - I can't find this audit he's talking about :/\n<JanC> hackeron: AFAIK he means http://people.redhat.com/sgrubb/audit/ \n#upstart 2011-01-19\n<djszapi> hackeron: did you figure it out ?\n<djszapi> Which job is runfirst by upstart ?\n<djszapi> * run first, I would like to start an audit daemon asap.\n<djszapi> so basically the question is like that: \"What is the job execution order by upstart ?\".\n<djszapi> JanC ^ any idea ? :o\n<djszapi> grep -rni \"start on startup\" .\n<djszapi> ./sysconfig-early.conf:4:start on startup\n<djszapi> mmh this process k then ^\n<djszapi> The primary event emitted by upstart is startup which is when the machine is first started (without writable filesystems or networking) -> But what is the last when poweroff, core_shutdown ?\n<djszapi> Where can I communicate with an upstart developer ? I did not get any answer on the mailing list for more than 3 days ?\n<djszapi> JanC: do you have any idea how to implement this PID printing for those missing parts ?\n<djszapi> I would like to investigate more time in the patch if I can get any starting hint.\n<JanC> djszapi: Scott is changing between jobs currently, so he might be a bit more busy than usual\n<JanC> jhunt should also be able to help you with the code\n<djszapi> jhunt: please do\n<djszapi> I would like to implement a feature, to print out the shell PID of the pre/post-start/stop commands that were run from those sections.\n<djszapi> JanC: is upstart fully leisure time project for Scott ?\n<JanC> I think he could work on it during working hours too, but not all the time as he had other work to do too\n<djszapi> I meant whether some company pays him for developing upstart.\n<djszapi> seems a quite essential tool in order to get paid by a company.\n<JanC> he was paid by Canonical, probably will get paid by Google in the future\n<JanC> as Google uses upstart in Chrome OS\n<JanC> and they are his new employer\n<JanC> http://netsplit.com/2011/01/11/leaving-canonical/ \n<jhunt> djszapi: does this relate to your \"--verbose\" issue?\n<djszapi> y\n<djszapi> jhunt: any idea where to start ?\n<jhunt> djszapi: sorry - meetings :) so from the list mail you are unable to see pids for pre-start scripts for example? I don't fully understand - do you never see pids logged in /var/log/daemon.log?\n<djszapi> what do you mean jhunt ?\n<jhunt> keybuk answered your first query. Your second related to \"--verbose\" where you are not seeing pids being logged for pre-start scripts for example?\n<jhunt> So, after either specifying \"--verbose\" or running, \"initctl log-priority debug\" when you start a job, all script section pids will get logged to (by default) /var/log/daemon.log\n<jhunt> are you saying you get no output in daemon.log?\n<djszapi> jhunt ping\n<jhunt> hello\n<djszapi> sorry I was travelling.\n<djszapi> from Nokia to home.\n<djszapi> 'Your second related to \"--verbose\" where you are not seeing pids being logged for pre-start scripts for example?' -> Yup.\n<djszapi> never tried /var/log/daemon.log, keybuk said it should be in syslog, he has never mentioned this daemon.log.\n<djszapi> and a mount command is not a daemon for instance.\n<jhunt> well, keybuk is correct in that syslog handles the logging, but on a stock Ubuntu system, it should appear in daemon.log.\n<djszapi> it is not Ubuntu, but Maemo.\n<jhunt> you'll have to see how syslog is configured then. a quick grep in the log directory should show you. If that doesn't work, feel free to post further info to the mailing list.\n<djszapi> did not, posted.\n<djszapi> nothing related and FYI: same by JanC.\n<djszapi> but it is a bit suspicious because keybuk has been quite strong minded about its working situation.\n<djszapi> I could not just speak with him since then.\n<djszapi> I did not even see him on IRC this week or mailing list.\n<djszapi> so 1) To make sure it is not implemented 2) If not I can help and I would like.\n<djszapi> because the situation got worse, auditsyscall kernel option is not supported on ARM :(\n<djszapi> and not a trivial solution to fix it and if it should anyway be in upstart as a feature it is better to deal with that for me.\n#upstart 2011-01-20\n<djszapi> moin' jhunt ;)\n<djszapi> can we continue the discussion ?\n<djszapi> seems upstart is abandoned enough :)\n<djszapi> ping jhunt\n<benc> how can I wait for a server to cleanly stop in a pre-stop event?\n<mbiebl> benc: how do you check if the server is cleanly shut down?\n<benc> mbiebl: I have a script /usr/bin/myserver status\n<mbiebl> if you have such a check, just add small while loop\n<mbiebl> ideally with a timeout\n<benc> why a timeout?\n<benc> to force stop?\n<mbiebl> yeah\n<benc> thanks\n<mbiebl> say your service dead locks\n<mbiebl> you don't want a shutdown to block because of this\n<benc> I need to read how to write a while loop and a timeout in a script\n<mbiebl> its simple shell \n<benc> ok\n<mbiebl> benc: add \n<mbiebl> pre-stop script\n<mbiebl> <your shell script goes here>\n<mbiebl> end script\n<mbiebl> to your upstart job\n<benc> ok\n<SpamapS> jhunt: 'morning\n<jhunt> SpamapS: evenin' :)\n<SpamapS> jhunt: did you have a chance to look at the telinit stuff?\n<jhunt> SpamapS: yeah - I'm wondering if we can take a simpler approach though - maybe watch something in /proc/1/* ?\n<SpamapS> jhunt: thats what I was wondering too. when one re-execs, does its start time re-set in /proc/#/stat ?\n<SpamapS> jhunt: tho again, is /proc still mounted at umountroot time?\n<jhunt> I think we could watch /proc/1/stat. I too was wondering about start time, but ps doesn't appear to report this as I'd expect.\n<jhunt> Certainly, \"watch -d -n1 cat /proc/#/stat\" works for a script that re-execs itself.\n<SpamapS> hmmmm\n<jhunt> testing now...\n<SpamapS> Good.. my init without the semaphore on first exec just stalls after init: Handling startup event :(\n * SpamapS curses himself for forgetting to clone his pristine lucid VM again\n<jhunt> dang - my vm wasn't exactly pristine either :(\n * SpamapS waits patiently while his new VM installs. :-P\n<jhunt> SpamapS: just mailed you a script to try.\n<SpamapS> jhunt: I'll give it a go shortly. Enjoy the evening. :)\n<SpamapS> I do like solving this in script rather than hacking in more C\n<SpamapS> given that it is a truly temporary solution\n<jhunt> SpamapS: totally agree :)\n<SpamapS> sometimes I just get so excited to write new C.. :-D\n<lasermike026> Clint, thanks for the help on the call.\n#upstart 2011-01-21\n<robs_> someone can take a look at this bug I submitted ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/703993\n<ronny> hi\n<ronny> im a bit at loss, i cant seem to find docs on how to prevent the automated starting of some services\n<JanC> ronny: what version of upstart are you using?\n<JanC> ronny: in 0.6.7 you can use the \"manual\" stanza, in older versions you can comment out the \"start on\" line(s)\n<ronny> atm 0.6.6\n<dacresni> how can you which running process depend on an upstart job \n<dacresni> like what's using mysql now\n<JanC> considering that those processes might be running on a computer at the other side of the world, how do you think that would work?\n<dacresni> other side of the world? im just talking about programs that only start after mysql is running \n<dacresni> thats the point of upstart right? to only launch programs after the programs they depend on are runnning? \n<dacresni> in the case of mysql if there are are open sockets i guess i should ask the mysql people about that right?\n<dacresni> or am I confusing this with launchd \n<jhunt> dacresni: it's not that easy currently - you need to look at the \"start on\" and \"stop on\" entries for all jobs.\n<JanC> upstart is based on events, not on dependencies\n<jhunt> quite.\n<JanC> maybe it's possible to document dependencies in job metadata in the future, just like you can document \"emits\" ?\n<JanC> dacresni: programs/jobs that need mysql might not always have a connection/socket open permanently...\n<dacresni> ok, thanks\n<dacresni> the events vs dependencies tells me that i did confuse it with launchd \n<dacresni> I forget how systemd does it\n<JanC> you can implement dependencies using upstart's events, but not the other way around\n<dacresni> well, thanks all \n<kreign> hi, I'm trying to understand the mountall.conf file. I need to have it wait for a custom filesystem module, which is getting modprobed via module-init-tools.conf; however, both these conf files appear to have the same prereq of 'start on startup' \n<kreign> is there any way to make one a prereq of the other? \n<kreign> from looking at the files it looks like I can do an \"emits fs_module\" and then have mountall.conf with \"start on (startup and started fs_module)\" - is this correct?\n<JanC> \"emits\" is documentation\n<JanC> so it does nothing on its own\n<kreign> JanC, ok; how can I specify that basic chain of events?\n<kreign> JanC, start on (startup and started init-module-tools) ?\n<kreign> er module-init-tools\n<JanC> sounds like that might work\n<kreign> JanC, or am I going about this the wrong way?\n<kreign> i'm assuming it's not whitespace sensitive...\n<JanC> I guess the \"startup\" part can be left out too\n<kreign> hmm probably.\n<JanC> and maybe you can make the modprobe for that specific module its own task, so that mountall can start earlier?\n<kreign> JanC, hmm I don't think mountall will be able to start earlier - module-init-tools is the direct prerequisite. \n<JanC> also depends on whether boot time is important ;)\n<kreign> not so much.\n * kreign misses the old way of doing things, somewhat.\n<kreign> JanC, I'd think that any filesystem modules should be loaded before filesystems try to mount, anyway.\n<JanC> normally they will be loaded automatically?\n<kreign> JanC, that does not seem to be the case, in this regard.\n<kreign> JanC, the modules aren't strictly \"linux compliant\" per se\n<kreign> (ok, not going to lie - it's zfs, and I\"ve also got to import the zpool in the module-init-tools.conf)\n<JanC> kreign: I think for most filesystems, their mount utility loads the modules, or something like that\n<JanC> I guess 'mount.zfs' (or whatever it's called) doesn't?\n<kreign> JanC, running mountall manually once in does the trick (with 'auto' as an fstab option)\n<kreign> JanC, it just looks like mountall is running prior to zfs module getting loaded (defined in /etc/modules) and not knowing what -t zfs is. :)\n<kreign> so, it dies.\n<JanC> right\n<JanC> like I said, you can use an extra job only to load the ZFS modules and make mountall.conf depend on that task\n<kreign> I don't recall classic init hanging on exception like this... iirc it'd continue despite problems.\n<JanC> classic init did a lot of things serially\n<kreign> JanC, right - but the zfs modules would need to be loaded beforehand, which are defined in /etc/fstab, so it makes sense to have the module-init-tools.conf do that.\n<JanC> if you don't mind waiting until all those modules are loaded\n<JanC> in most cases not an issue, I think\n<kreign> JanC, yeah. it's on server hardware, so...\n<kreign> slow bios\n<kreign> that's like 3-4 times as long as boot even though it's booting from sloooooow flash media\n<JanC> âº\n<kreign> well let's hope i didn't biff it\n<JanC> my desktop doesn't boot fast either ;)\n<kreign> i don't want to walk across the building again\n<kreign> 15:38:28 up 123 days, 23:34, 9 users, load average: 0.66, 0.57, 0.49\n<kreign> ^ not much a problem for me.\n<kreign> tho i should probably do something like that. I've had two new kernels installed since then...\n<JanC> right\n<JanC> I was going to say: I install security updates :P\n<kreign> JanC, oh I do too.\n<kreign> just don't usually have the time for a reboot... will probably do that tonight and watch monday be unproductive fixing things.\n#upstart 2011-01-23\n<tanepiper> hi, can someone help me with this: https://gist.github.com/2d1703cede3597abd595\n<tanepiper> if i try start on startup, i get an error that /var isn't mounted\n<tanepiper> however if I manually call start quartermaster, the app starts fine\n<tanepiper> oh looks like i solved it :) start on mounted; env MOUNTPOINT=/var\n<ion> Ubuntu? âstart on filesystemâ\n<ion> Such an âenvâ stanza doesnât really do anything except set the value of MOUNTPOINT for your scripts.\n<ion> HOME is something you could use env for.\n<tanepiper> well that's working as well, thanks :)\n<ion> âstart on mountedâ probably never really worked. If it happened to get started at the right time based on it, you were just lucky. :-)\n<ion> Also, 2>&1 before 1>⦠makes stderr go to stdout and stdout go to the logfile. You probably want to make 2 a copy of 1 after 1 has been redirected to a file.\n<tanepiper> yea, i started with a copy & paste job for running nodejs but that just wasn't working. I'll definetly read up more on the upstart blog\n<tanepiper> so 1> /var/log/foo > &2 ?\n<ion> >>/var/log/foo 2>&1\n<tanepiper> gotch\n#upstart 2012-01-17\n<lactose> so i am trying to set up rails with unicorn. i have my unicorn \n<lactose> config.rb file set up, and if i run unicorn_rails -c \n<lactose> /path/to/config.rb as my user everything starts up fine and i \n<lactose> woops\n<lactose> so i am trying to set up rails with unicorn. i have my unicorn config.rb file set up, and if i run unciorn_rails -c /path/to/config.rb as my user everything starts up fine and i can view the website. however ifi run the Upstart script, I get no error message, (and the script basically exec sudo -u myuser -i `unicorn_rails -c 'path/to/config'` but i cant view the website. im redirected to my 500 error page (in the logs it says 111 con\n<SpamapS> lactose: probably something in your environment that is needed. Maybe try adding > /var/log/myjob.log 2>&1 to see if there are helpful errors.\n * SpamapS disappears\n<lactose> SpamapS: I have done so, and the file is empty\n<lactose> SpamapS: do yo uthink that the unicorn_rails command cannot be accessed -- my ruby install is through rvm and I personally cannot run this command unless I am in the working directory. But if this were the case, why is the error log file blank?\n<lactose> SpamapS: this was the problem. I chowned the .conf file in /etc/init to myuser and transferred the command to .sh in the directory of the rails app, then the conf simply exec the .sh. Do you see any security or other problem with this approach? \n<lactose> anybody else can answer that as well\n<SpamapS> lactose: you shouldn't need to chown the upstart job to your user.. that should not change who the job runs as.\n#upstart 2012-01-18\n<declanmg> Hi all\n<declanmg> Is there anyway to set the PATH within an /etc/somejob.conf upstart file?\n<declanmg> Or is there any other systemwide config file that it is appropriate to set the PATH in so that it is picked up by upstart jobs?\n<ion> The env stanza should probably work in somejob.conf.\n<declanmg> ion: Thanks a mill for the that. I will try it now. Have been exhaustively trying to track down docs on this online.\n<ion> init(5)\n<ion> And the cookbook\n<declanmg> ion: mmm... will research the cookbook\n<declanmg> Cheers\n<ion> Be sure to look at init(5) as well.\n<declanmg> ion: Will do, thanks again.\n<declanmg> Very useful resources, ion\n<declanmg> Though if I set the PATH env variable in job1 and export it, it is still not available in job2 (which I have set to start on job1).\n<declanmg> Section 7.2 of the cookbook seems to suggest that the exported var should carry through (in the cookbook example's case it is $foo)\n<declanmg> Alternatively, I could stick the env PATH stanza into /etc/init/env.conf but I need the upstart job to be able to pick up /etc/init/env.conf changes between server restarts.\n<declanmg> Which I don't think is possible :(\n<SpamapS> We should watch serverfault.com for good upstart questions and potential cookbook additions\n<SpamapS> http://serverfault.com/questions/307704/how-can-i-ensure-a-script-gets-executed-after-a-service-is-stopped-but-before-an/351115#351115\n<SpamapS> Have seen a number of them the last few days\n<SpamapS> oops meant to paste http://serverfault.com/questions/tagged/upstart .. though that is a good link to an answer I just gave that could use a few +1's ;)\n<jodh> SpamapS: good find, yes agreed. Also, we really must get apache2 et al upstartified (or atleast \"initctl emit starting\" et al added to SysV compat side of the world).\n<SpamapS> I think we should upstartify it the way I suggest.. we can't possibly handle the SIGUSR1 stuff properly with expect daemon/fork, so better that we just let apache2's pid file tracking do its thing, and just use upstart to insert the job into the event tree.\n<SpamapS> jodh: I have wondered about having rc emit events for all scripts it runs.\n<jodh> jodh: ditto. rhel6 do this I believe.\n<JanC> SpamapS: might be usefull to add a link to the cookbook to such questions too?\n<SpamapS> JanC: yeah that would probably be good\n<ahammond> I'm running ubuntu 10.10 and want to get latest upstart on it. Is there a PPA / what's the right way to do that?\n<JanC> you can't upgrade to Ubuntu 11.10 instead?\n<ahammond> JanC: that gets me 1.3 (which is good, but⦠no setuid / setgid) and it's a much harder sell.\n<ahammond> the answer might be to wait for 12.4 which we are planning to upgrade to anyway.\n<JanC> ah, you really mean latest-latest âº\n<ahammond> JanC: setuid/setgid lets me write upstart scripts that don't need sudo or start-stop-daemon: win\n<ahammond> and that logging stuff⦠also a big win.\n<JanC> logging stuff is cool, setuid stuff sounds more like \"sugar\"? âº\n<JanC> anyway, I don't know about a PPA, but there might be an unofficial one somewhere\n<ahammond> JanC: we have some in house apps where setuid is more like \"absolute requirement\" :)\n<JanC> well, sudo should work\n<ahammond> I've been using start-stop-daemon since it also gets me chdir and chroot jails if I want them.\n<JanC> or that\n<ahammond> we'll probably just put the project off until we've moved to 12.4.\n<ahammond> Hmmm...\n<JanC> it might be possible to make a backport of upstart, but that also might require some changes to existing jobs maybe...?\n<ahammond> yeah, probably too much change for production boxes. We've already scheduled the upgrade to 12.4, so...\n<JanC> ahammond: I'm sure the Ubuntu & Upstart developers would appreciate if you test this on precise *before* it gets released as 12.04 BTW âº\n<JanC> (and also useful for you if they fix issues before you need to depend on it)\n<ahammond> I'd love to help out. What exactly would be needed?\n<JanC> ahammond: install a system (maybe a virtual machine) with the current development version of precise, and try to write the upstart job you need; if anything fails, report bugs so that (hopefully) they get fixed before the release âº\n<JanC> (assuming precise already has the latest upstart, of course)\n<ahammond> JanC: looks like it's got 1.4\n<JanC> so, try to set up something similar to your production system on it, make the cahnges you want, and pester the developers until they fix all issues ;)\n<SpamapS> upstart from precise should in theory backport just fine .. though the /run transition may require delicate handling if you try to go back to say, 10.04\n<ahammond> SpamapS: I think we'll wait until we have 12.4.\n<SpamapS> ahammond: its really just syntactic sugar.. start-stop-daemon does in fact do the same thing.\n<ahammond> SpamapS: yeah, I've been writing them using start-stop-daemon. Makes for some ugly stuff. Want pretty instead. :)\n#upstart 2012-01-19\n<SpamapS> ahammond: indeed.. tweaks here and there just make them simpler\n<SpamapS> expect exit should also eliminate some unsightly post-start's\n<bradleyayers> i'm using ubuntu 10.04 lts, but i want to use upstart 1.4, is this possible?\n<SpamapS> bradleyayers: in theory it would work fine\n<bradleyayers> i'm cherry picking the dependencies from 11.10 \n<SpamapS> bradleyayers: the package might not work without some mods, but the upstream bits would probably be fine.\n<bradleyayers> Plesk is installed on the server, so i'm concerned it might break that, since it does all sorts of stupid shit\n<SpamapS> hah yeah .. plesk + anything different == immolation of your entire business\n<bradleyayers> it's horrible D:\n<bradleyayers> uhh how do i get dpkg to install two things that depend on each other: http://dpaste.com/690059/ :(\n<bradleyayers> oops, i should really ask in ubuntu\n<brodock> can someone please take a look at this question: http://serverfault.com/questions/337198/upstart-output-pre-start-script-content/351124 ? Is there a better way to do it?\n<SpamapS> jodh: Hey, I'm working on an upstart cookbook fix and I noticed this language ...\n<SpamapS> The advantage of using `start-stop-daemon(8)`_ is that is simply changes the\n<SpamapS> user and group the command is run as. However, there is a problem with\n<SpamapS> using ``start-stop-daemon`` in that Upstart cannot track the PID for jobs\n<SpamapS> which use it\n<SpamapS> I don't see why that would be the case\n<SpamapS> running that way drops user privs, then execs the requested command.. so upstart should be able to handle it just fine\n<tmike> Hello. I'm trying to build upstart for an LFS environment and having some issues with failing the tests.\n<SpamapS> tmike: pastebin your failure maybe?\n<tmike> http://pastebin.com/rZmbnhDa\n<tmike> Sorry got distracted setting up pastebincl on the vm\n<tmike> test_job_process sees the wrong output for the /this/command/does/not/exist bits\n<tmike> that's the first error\n<tmike> That 'wrong content' part, with the test_job_process is not the first error of that variety. I went and changed the test to look for \"No such file or directory\" and then started to wonder if there's a reason it wants 1: /this/blah: not found instead of the \"No such\"\n<tmike> Actually, if I don't run the tests as superuser, those are the only errors I get.\n<tmike> Should I just ignore the failures, or is there a reason to expect the \"not found\" errors vs the \"No such\" errors\n<tmike> ?\n#upstart 2012-01-20\n<SpamapS> tmike: the test suite is not meant to be run as root, in fact I believe it is meant to fail as root\n<SpamapS> tmike: there's one fail that is no big deal, just a different error message. The one where len is expected to be 13 and is 0 looks more serious.\n<pmjdebruijn> hi\n<pmjdebruijn> are there known issues with upstart and lots of file descriptors?\n<pmjdebruijn> I'm running dansguardian -N (=foreground) from an upstart job\n<pmjdebruijn> with 4000 file descriptors\n<pmjdebruijn> seems to work fine from the init script\n<pmjdebruijn> though I'm wondering if upstart ignores the ulimit I have in there... and/or the security/limits.conf\n<jodh> pmjdebruijn: upstart doesn't have pam support so limits.conf is not used.\n<pmjdebruijn> ah ok\n<pmjdebruijn> but settings ulimit -n in the pre-start script doesn't seem to help either\n<jodh> pmjdebruijn: that's because the pre-start is run as a process so any other process spawned from that job won't be affected by what you do in pre-start.\n<jodh> pmjdebruijn: You need the limit stanza - http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#limit\n<jodh> pmjdebruijn: init(5) for full details.\n<pmjdebruijn> jodh: that makes sense, but the squid package in maverick has ulimit set in pre-start\n<jodh> pmjdebruijn: sounds like you found a bug then ;-)\n<pmjdebruijn> heh\n<jodh> pmjdebruijn: still seems to be a problem in precise: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/squid/precise/view/head:/debian/squid.upstart Could you raise a bug on this? (so you get the kudos :) - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/squid/+filebug\n<pmjdebruijn> jodh: I haven't verified this is a problem in squid\n<pmjdebruijn> I just used it as a (bad) example\n<pmjdebruijn> well let me file the issue\n<jodh> pmjdebruijn: thanks. either that \"ulimit -n\" needs to be moved to the script section, or \"limit nofile $var $var\" syntax needs to be used.\n<pmjdebruijn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squid/+bug/580590\n<pmjdebruijn> though that contains a verification\n<pmjdebruijn> odd\n<tmike> Would anyone happen to know if this error in the build logs is a serious issue?: http://pastebin.com/9UCnd4gg\n<tmike> check log*\n<jodh> tmike: what shell are you using for /bin/sh?\n<tmike> bash\n<jodh> tmike: oh.\n<jodh> tmike: that explains it. /bin/sh is not supposed to be bash. However, please raise a bug on upstart so we can tweak the test case for this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+filebug\n<tmike> What is /bin/sh supposed to be, then?\n<pmjdebruijn> dash probably\n<jodh> tmike: correct.\n<jodh> pmjdebruijn: correct even :)\n<tmike> I could see that. All right. Building dash it is then.\n<tmike> This is on a linux from scratch build.\n<tmike> Well, before I do that, is it a problem that I use bash instead of dash?\n<jodh> tmike: interesting!\n<tmike> Lots of fun. It boots with sysv init right now, but I'm experimenting with upstart.\n<jodh> tmike: the recommendation is not to use bash for /bin/sh for performance but primarily security reasons. bash syntax is too expressive and dash is \"just a posix shell\"\n<jodh> tmike: since upstart is going to be using /bin/sh to run most of your jobs, it really is best to use a very basic shell.\n<tmike> very interesting\n<tmike> thank you for your advice\n<jodh> tmike: See also http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#debugging-a-script-which-appears-to-be-behaving-oddly\n<tmike> That's a very useful bit of information. As it is, I'm having trouble even using the provide sulogin\n<jodh> tmike: to be clear, I'm not implying bash is actually insecure, but it's overkill for upstarts needs.\n<pmjdebruijn> check-bashims is quite handy :D\n<pmjdebruijn> check-bashisms even\n<tmike> linux /vmlinuz-3.1.blah root=(hd0,3) init=/opt/sbin/sulogin behaves just like a regular init. Starts up my daemons and dumps me at a login prompt\n<jodh> tmike: I'd be very interested to hear on your progress with linux from scratch. It might even merit a section in the cookbook.\n<tmike> the upstart init itself gets to the point where it tries to mount my drives; I'm not sure whether it succeeds. Then it prints some USB information and just stops\n<tmike> Which may very well be related to the link you posted above, hodh\n<tmike> jodh*\n<tmike> It's using the default init scripts at the moment as I haven't written any real upstart jobs for it, and I'm almost certain something in there needs to be modified to point back to a correct executable for upstart.\n<tmike> By default, I mean it's going through my sysv init scripts and running those\n<tmike> I thought it would be worth a shot, because LFS is about as untainted an OS as you can get. Most distros have a great deal of customization done where LFS is almost entirely vanilla source for all its packages.\n<jodh> tmike: well, you'll need to ensure the system boots with init=/sbin/init where that is the upstart binary. You'll also need to \"SysV compat\" jobs (rc.conf and rc-sysinit.conf) - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/upstart/precise/files/head:/conf/\n<jodh> tmike: I'd suggest reading the cookbook. In particular http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#startup\n<jodh> tmike: udevd, upstart-udev-bridge and mountall are also going to be important. Maybe you could post to the upstart-devel ML with progress?\n<tmike> Correct, I've been in that cookbook for a while. It seems I'll be handling a lot of that stuff manually; mountall looks a lot like it wants *ubuntu specific setups\n<jodh> tmike: Ubuntu does use mountall for mounting yes. It's \"ubuntu-specific\" in the sense that only Ubuntu uses it. Note that rhel 6 / centos 6 don't use mountall. They only use upstart minimally at this stage so it might be worth seeing what they've done to get you going.\n<tmike> I may very well. Mountall also doesn't seem like it wants to build without plymouth. No offense to plymouth, but NO THANK YOU.\n<tmike> ;)\n<tmike> Too much effort to start building initramfs's and trying to configure all that garbage\n<tmike> A shame actually. Plymouth seems pretty nice, and if I had luks on this VM, I'd love to have a lovely interface for my password entries.\n<tmike> The 'start on' and 'stop on' directives, do they actually call the executables {start,stop} or are they interpreted?\n<jodh> tmike: they tell upstart when to start the overall job. See http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#really-understanding-start-on-and-stop-on\n<tmike> Okay. Just wanted to make sure I didn't need to do anything ridiculous like change all \"start on\" to \"/opt/sbin/start on\"\n<JanC> an upstart job description isn't a script ;)\n<tmike> That's exactly what I figured, but I thought it easier to ask rather than go down that road later when debugging, only to have to walk all the way back ;)\n<tmike> Maybe this afternoon I'll set about building *.in files for these .confs for the make job, such as to prepend the $PREFIX/bindir to the commands.\n<tmike> for the exec commands and such\n<tmike> My oh my these errors are colorful ;D\n<tmike> http://imgur.com/2HQI5\n<tmike> That's all script-funkiness though. Will need to discover why that stuff's not getting mounted.\n<tmike> Awesome, got one step further.\n<tmike> rc-sysinit.conf tries to execute /etc/init.d/rcS, which my system doesn't have\n<tmike> However, /etc/init.d/rc S (note that S is a parameter) replaces that functionality.\n<tmike> As dictated by my inittab.\n<tmike> Now it crashes mounting my virtual filesystems\n<tmike> And actually it only sort of dies. I can let it continue past that point, where it runs up to just before giving me a login prompt, where it just stops\n<tmike> Fortunately, it starts SSH for me, so I can still SSH into it :D\n<tmike> Once I solve that problem, it will have worked virtually out of the box.\n<tmike> Well, I guess not really. Still a mess of errors in the logs.\n<tmike> It seems to repeat the whole process, which means I'm probably calling rc S twice, or further rc steps call rc S\n<tmike> initctl list lists all the tasks in /etc/init as in 'stop/waiting' though\n<tmike> Is that correct?\n<jodh> tmike: you'd expect rc jobs to be stopped once the system has booted, yes. might be worth grabbing an Ubuntu image so you can compare your results with a normal upstart system.\n<tmike> That's what I thought.\n<tmike> I expect that's the reason why the system manages to get to the end of the rc stuff, but never places me at a login. There's either something that's missing or it's in a race condition.\n<tmike> And it never releases from the rc jobs\n<tmike> My host is ubuntu, so it'll be easy to dig in there to see\n<jodh> tmike: look at this for some hints: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#debugging. have to afk...\n<tmike> Thanks for your help\n<tmike> So, when you get back, or to anyone else who's around, does 'stop/waiting' mean it's not yet started, that it's stuck waiting TO stop, or that it has stopped?\n<jodh> tmike: that's the \"rest\" state - it has either never started, or has now stopped. See http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#initctl-status\n<tmike> Okay, that's good then\n<jodh> tmike: Try booting with --debug/--verbose to see what events are being emitted and which jobs are starting, etc: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#add-verbose-or-debug-to-the-kernel-command-line\n<tmike> Seems everything is groovy there\n<jdiggy> Hi! I'd like to check for the existence of Upstart in a script. The best idea that I've had so far has been to check the output of `init --version`.\n<jdiggy> any way to reimport my configuration without restarting? like if I screw it up and just want to reload it.\n<jdiggy> My bad. wrong channel.\n<jdiggy> Here, I want to ask if anybody knows how to check whether Upstart is installed in, say, a Bash script? My current best idea is `init --version`.\n<ion> Some implementations of init might do something unexpected with --version, though.\n<jdiggy> Agreed. That's why I'm looking for something more reliable. The existence of some file or other. \n<jdiggy> Upstart's configuration directory is called /etc/init. The bins are called init, start, stop, restart. \n#upstart 2013-01-14\n<royal121> Hello Everyone! Where can I read about migrating to upstart from other init systems?\n<stgraber> xnox, jodh: I may be a couple of minutes late for the meeting\n<xnox> jodh: the fix is to write cookbook answer \"if you need to depend on the sysv init starting, just add emit that event in the init script\"\n<xnox> stgraber: ^\n<xnox> =))))\n<xnox> jodh: stgraber: i can hear you.\n * xnox 's ISP is rated as the worst in the UK for latency (virgin media)\n<emacsen> I have a (hopefully) simple question. I want to write a daemon that detects when the network is active and only attempts to operate then. Is upstart the way to do that, and if so, what should I be looking for?\n<stgraber> we don't have any internet-is-ready even at this point (assuming you're using upstart on ubuntu), mostly because the definition of \"internet\" and \"is-ready\" depends quite a lot on what you're planning to do with it :)\n<stgraber> so you can your job depend on an interface being configured but can't reliably have it depend on the system having internet connectivity\n<stgraber> *can make\n<stgraber> if you just want to start it when the system is done configuring all defined network interfaces, you can have it start on \"static-network-up\"\n<emacsen> stgraber, okay. Thinking about what I want to do, I guess it doesn't matter much\n<emacsen> (I'm just thinking about an improved msmtpQ\n<emacsen> I can just do it with cron\n<stgraber> xnox: got initctl to work with UPSTART_SESSION, still have to debug why I'm seeing all entries twice (same thing when using --session), will do that tomorrow\n<stgraber> my current guess is that for some reason initctl queries both the session and system bus for the state, which is obviously quite wrong\n<stgraber> oh, and initctl apparently gets into an infinite loop when you try to start/stop a job that has a name matching that of a system job ;)\n<stgraber> (same bug, just worse symptom that what I first noticed)\n#upstart 2013-01-15\n<toabctl> xnox, thanks for the d-feet sync\n<xnox> toabctl: no problem. Why this channel?\n<xnox> =))))\n<toabctl> xnox, because I know you are here:=\n<toabctl> ;)\n<ztane> got firefox zombie clinging to pid 1, which is a bit annoying because now for some reason firefox does not want to start using a same profile until I reboot my computer... (maybe it is using a pidfile to guard the profile dir).\n<ztane> up-to-date freshish install of 1210\n<jodh> ztane: can't you kill the firefox pid?\n<ztane> jodh: ofc not, that is what a zombie process is\n<ztane> a pid\n<ztane> + an entry in a process table\n<jodh> ztane: I didn't notice the word 'zombie' there :) is Upstart still responding? Can you start a new job for example?\n<ztane> jodh: let me check\n<ztane> jodh: works\n<ztane> jodh: xnox said that there is no support for general zombie reap in upstart init?\n<xnox> well, for jobs that were not started by upstart.\n<xnox> (but I may be wrong ztane, maybe jodh can give a more full answer)\n<ztane> pstree says init-+-firefox---43*[{firefox}], hanging there tight\n<ztane> hmmm\n<ztane> ah :D\n<ztane> my bad :P\n<ztane> there was 1 parent process running, which is apparent from that pstree\n<ztane> dunno why it was not killed by killall\n<xnox> =)\n<jodh> xnox/ztane: upstart calls wait repeatedly so it will handle zombies and orphans.\n<xnox> ack.\n<stgraber> jodh: hey, any idea why upstart would return user jobs twice?\n<stgraber> jodh: initctl --user or --session lists all the jobs twice. I initially thought it was a bug in my code (connecting to both buses) but it's not.\n<stgraber> method return sender=:1.119 -> dest=:1.128 reply_serial=4\n<stgraber> array [\n<stgraber> object path \"/com/ubuntu/Upstart/jobs/dbus\"\n<stgraber> object path \"/com/ubuntu/Upstart/jobs/201105/dbus\"\n<stgraber> object path \"/com/ubuntu/Upstart/jobs/debug\"\n<stgraber> object path \"/com/ubuntu/Upstart/jobs/201105/debug\"\n<stgraber> object path \"/com/ubuntu/Upstart/jobs/upstart_2devent_2dbridge\"\n<stgraber> object path \"/com/ubuntu/Upstart/jobs/201105/upstart_2devent_2dbridge\"\n<stgraber> ]\n<stgraber> that's what initctl is getting back from upstart. Obviously that's confusing it slightly ;)\n<jodh> stgraber: probably because we haven't removed the existing user job handling code.\n * xnox ponders what 201105 in above means\n<stgraber> jodh: that's my uid\n<jodh> stgraber: try disabling Upstart.conf and seeing if behavious is the same: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#enabling\n<xnox> stgraber: a bit high =)\n * xnox is 1000 everywhere =)\n<stgraber> xnox: RID-based UID in a samba4 domain gets you pretty big UIDs\n<stgraber> jodh: yeah, I think that's it. So hopefully that'll get fixed once we get rid of the current user job code.\n<jodh> stgraber: do you want to volunteer? ;)\n<stgraber> jodh: one thing that's \"interesting\" is if you have a job defined as both system and user, then you try to start the user one with \"initctl start dbus\" (for example). That'll get initctl in some kind of infinite loop and will almost freeze upstart in the process (the user upstart, not the system one)\n<stgraber> but my guess is that this will be fixed once we no longer have duplicate entries\n<stgraber> jodh: hehe, I've got a reasonably long todo list before I can et to that, but I can take a look once I'm done with my higher priority items :)\n<jodh> stgraber: agreed. ok, ta.\n<stgraber> xnox: I think I found what's broken in the upstart dailies\n<stgraber> basically, the ubuntu branch contains some ubuntu-specific patches that we don't have in the dailies\n<stgraber> the most important one being a change to the rc-sysvinit.conf start condition\n<stgraber> which perfectly explains the breakage on my machine\n<stgraber> so we can't simply use debian/ from the ubuntu branch for the dailies... we need to also get those changes out and into debian/patches, make a second branch with that and use it as the packaging branch\n<stgraber> (or just finally make ubuntu:upstart non-native and use debian/patches for those ubuntu-specific deltas, making the packaging branch re-usable for the dailies)\n * xnox +1 for ubuntu:upstart to be 3.0 quilt. But I'm sure it's not slangasek's preferred upstart workflow.... =)\n<xnox> stgraber: what about basing recipe on lp:ubuntu/upstart & merging in lp:upstart and hoping it all just works?=)\n<stgraber> I'd have to check if the recipe format allows merging and I guess we'd need a fair amount of hoping considering the number of changes we've made lately ;)\n<slangasek> 3.0 quilt + bzr is my preferred workflow in the alternate universe where I am the Marquis de Sade\n<stgraber> xnox: 5 conflicts, so not terribly bad, but can't be done automatically, so won't quite work for the daily builds\n<slangasek> xnox: find a solution to 3.0 (quilt) that won't require us to do stupid merges for anything other than the upstream source tree, and propose it?\n<xnox> stgraber: the way i deal with conflicts is created a third branch which resolves the conflicts and then you get a common base you merge up lp:ubuntu/upstart + common-conflict-resolve-branch + lp:upstart\n<xnox> recipes can handle that.\n<xnox> slangasek: I did make a proposal as summer of code project. Store the tree unpatched and offer looms api to view the patches and diff/switch up & down. But looms are never committed only flat patches are. (v2) same but generate bundles out of patches such that you can create patched branch to rebase it -> and export a new patch series.\n<xnox> slangasek: the project was not picked up =)\n<slangasek> heh\n<xnox> mercurial-queues is the best for debian/patches. They are quilt compatible but each patch has hg metadata in them. And there is nifty commands to rebase/add/remove/merge patches in that quilt series.\n<xnox> unfortunately nobody stepped up to write a good hg-buildpackage.\n<slangasek> xnox: why do you propose using the patches as the stored representation, rather than using the looms as the stored representation and serializing debian/patches from there?\n<xnox> slangasek: because of 3.0 (quilt) package format, which inherintely from quilt doesn't have $ quilt merge-series command nor $ quilt rebase-series command.\n<xnox> slangasek: if we get 3.0 ($vcs) format, there is no need for patches. But that opens a different kind of warms (no way to easily get the diff upstream vs packaged-changes)\n<slangasek> why would I ever need/want to do such a merge-series or rebase-series? Shouldn't loom primitives be sufficient?\n<xnox> slangasek: if everyone switches and there are no exceptions, we can policy enforce looms and use that and live will be wonderful.\n<xnox> s/live/life/\n<slangasek> we don't need to switch \"everyone\" in order to make a policy change on UDD\n<xnox> slangasek: i somehow believe that unless everyone switches, there will always be packages that fail to import or do something funny which will break UDD.\n<slangasek> who is \"everyone\"?\n<slangasek> I don't understand who you're saying would be switching, here\n<slangasek> UDD itself imports from the archive, the archive wouldn't know anything about looms\n<xnox> \"everyone\" - any package that is ever manually generated & uploaded into ubuntu.\n<slangasek> unless you mean a 3.0 (bzr) format would be a prereq?\n<xnox> yes. prereq.\n<slangasek> ah\n<slangasek> yeah, that's not a great solution\n<xnox> exactly.\n<slangasek> why don't you think looms could be used to output 3.0 (quilt) reliably?\n<xnox> slangasek: packages that have both /debian/patches/series and /debian/patches/series.ubuntu fail spectacularly in the current UDD workflow.\n<xnox> guess which series the importer imported for the whole history?! =)\n<xnox> is one practical point I can think of.\n<slangasek> hmm\n#upstart 2013-01-16\n<slangasek> I'm trying to think through why that's not simply a bug in the current importer, fixable by having richer annotations in the loom data\n<xnox> bug 911496\n<xnox> http://pad.lv/911496\n<xnox> because given one source package in can now have one or many states (the debian one or the ubuntu one) for each version =/ and it all gets hairy.\n<slangasek> ah right, because then you're trying to do a merge from the Debian branch into the Ubuntu branch, and use the looms for it, but the Debian branch's loom doesn't actually represent what you'd be merging\n<xnox> =) yeap.\n<xnox> i think it was a bad idea to introduce series.vendor\n<xnox> anyway =) i want tea and need to send in patch pilot report.\n<slangasek> :)\n<jodh> xnox/stgraber: comments please - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/RaringUpstartUserSessions#Shutdown_Details\n<stgraber> jodh: looking\n<stgraber> jodh: wow, we end up with a pretty complex logout sequence but I guess it makes sense ;) We'll need to restrict the shutdown command to --user for now to avoid people trying to use it against PID 1.\n<jodh> stgraber: It might need some tweaks, but it's as fair as I could make it whilst also having reasonable performance.\n<jodh> stgraber: agreed - this is for Session Inits only for this cycle :)\n<jodh> stgraber: an alternative could be that we handle the entire shutdown from a job, but I'm not particularly in favour of that as we don't have sufficient control over the other jobs.\n<jodh> stgraber: do you know the desktop suspend path? That's the only scenario not covered in that section.\n<stgraber> jodh: I think the desktop suspend path is pretty much a direct call to pm-suspend, I'm not sure gnome-session is really involved there\n<jodh> stgraber: ack. I wonder if adding a pm-suspend hook that emits a 'resumed' event would be useful?\n<stgraber> jodh: yeah, I guess having suspend/resume events would be nice and will be easy enough to do\n<xnox> jodh: do we not have those system wide? or we just come back and assume the laptop is still in the same country connected to the same Heathrow airport wifi hot spot?\n<xnox> is this point were I am being pressed for :: events?! =)\n<jodh> xnox: we don't have such events atm, but yeah, it should be at the :sys: level.\n<stgraber> jodh: just saw your e-mail, looks like that branch isn't based on the right upstream branch, let me fix that :)\n<stgraber> (I didn't modify any .conf in my branch, so I must have messed up its base yesterday when debugging upstart)\n<jodh> stgraber: ok, np.\n<addisonj> looking at this post: http://serverfault.com/questions/128605/have-upstart-read-environment-from-etc-environment-for-a-service, is this still the best way to properly source an environment?\n<xnox> addisonj: yes, but tbh it's best to only source the only environemt variable you want / need like guested in the second answer.\n<addisonj> xnox: so setuid/setgid doesn't do anything PAM? just runs the daemon with that uid/gid set?\n<xnox> yes.\n<addisonj> xnox: yeah, problem is, we inject config into our application servers through env vars and don't want to maintain that list elsewhere...\n<xnox> I believe, you can check the source code should be easily done.\n<xnox> addisonj: but you do have that list somewhere right?!\n<addisonj> chef writes it out to /etc/environment\n<xnox> addisonj: on debian/ubuntu systems it is typical to have /etc/defaults/mydaemon which is user editable file for configs.\n<xnox> addisonj: chef can also write out /etc/init/mydaemon.overrides which includes partially the stanzas you need with environmental variables you need.\n<xnox> s/overrides/override/\n<xnox> which upstart will apply on top of the .conf file.\n<xnox> (patch-style replacing individual stanzas)\n<addisonj> oh, cool, didn't know that\n<xnox> see cookbook\n<xnox> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/\n<addisonj> right now, we just use su and run it as our non-privileged user with env sourced, which has worked\n<addisonj> but now I am trying to do a reload but the SIGHUP isn't getting through to me process\n * xnox wonders if upstart is tracking su pid, instead of daemon pid.\n<addisonj> i believe it is\n<xnox> does $ status mydaemon matches the pid of the daemon queried via ps?\n<addisonj> oh, lemme check, never thought of doing that\n<xnox> cuase if it doesn't upstart is sending SIGHUP to something else =))))\n<xnox> (also see cookbook on establishing fork count)\n<addisonj> yeah, the pid is the su process\n * xnox recommends to avoid su / sudo in upstart jobs\n<addisonj> so I just need to do expect fork 2 or something and it should work I imagine?\n<xnox> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#expect-daemon\n<xnox> expect daemon\n<addisonj> yeah... thats why I was asking about proper PAM support so I could avoid that, maybe I shall hack something up to properly source env as part of the job\n<addisonj> on another note however, upstart is quite awesome :) I much prefer it to init.d\n<xnox> addisonj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1538257/\n<xnox> example of script stanza that sources config file with envrionment variables and then executes fork.\n<xnox> you can have setuid/setguid stanzas up there if you need to change user.\n<xnox> this way you track \"expect fork\" & don't need su\n<addisonj> hrm, interesting, I think the only problem with that is that /etc/environment vars don't do an export :\\ but I think ican make it work with someting like that\n<xnox> . /etc/environment\n<xnox> export $PATH\n<xnox> export $socks_proxy\n<xnox> or whichever you need.\n<xnox> or make chef write out sourcable / exportable /etc/environment\n<addisonj> yeah, I shall figure something out, but you have been quiet helpful, many thanks\n<xnox> np.\n<stgraber> jodh: ping\n<stgraber> jodh: ping?\n<depesz> hi. first of all - i never had to write init scripts for upstart. but today is the day. So, I have a program, pgbouncer, that I can start, or stop, and it works fine.\n<depesz> but. this program has also full online restart mode. where I run it using special parameters, and it takes over job of previously running copy. but the new copy has different pid, and upstart doesn't knwo it's still running\n<depesz> do you know of any way to let upstart know that pid of a service has changed ?\n<JanC> depesz: I suppose you mean it does a handover between 2 instances of the program so that there is no \"gap\" during the restart?\n<JanC> no availability gap\n<depesz> i am not sure about how it works internally, but as far as I understand - there is no gap as in \"moment in time when there is no pgbouncer\"\n<depesz> there is always some pgboucner running, but it can online restart/upgrade\n<JanC> maybe you could do some trickery by only using pre- & post- scripts but no main exec/script\n<JanC> but it's certainly something where upstart could improve\n<xnox> depesz: JanC: in this case you should use instances and restarting actually should stop one instance and start another.\n<xnox> this way you can achieve & monitor the overlap as well.\n<depesz> xnox: but i don't want to use restart.\n<depesz> as restart does stop+ start.\n<depesz> the built-in (in pgbouncer) is much better\n<xnox> depesz: you can override in pre-stop script what actually happens during stop+start combo.\n<xnox> depesz: detect that restart was requested and perform the pgbouncer handover.\n<xnox> I am giving you a method how to use the built-in pbuilder restart & let upstart track the new pid.\n<depesz> hmm .. ok\n<JanC> xnox: that's more or less what I suggested, but there should probably be a more user friendly way to express that in upstart\n<xnox> 90% things are trivial 10% are easy enough to achieve ;-) pre-stop scripts are unusual but it's not the end of the world.\n<JanC> xnox: still, having syntax for it makes it easier to understand what the config does\n<JanC> that's why sysvinit scripts have a semantic difference between restart & reload, for example\n<xnox> JanC: so does upstart. it has both reload and restart\n<JanC> except reload & restart are still (mostly) hardcoded\n<JanC> and reload breaks if it causes the daemon to \"switch\" to another PID\n#upstart 2013-01-17\n<thec4ke> so do all upstart script sections run with set -e?\n<SpamapS> thec4ke: yes, turn it off with set +e\n<thec4ke> thx\n<SpamapS> thec4ke: or use || : for the 1 or 2 things that you don't care about failure on\n<UukGoblin> hi\n#upstart 2013-01-18\n<jodh> xnox: how are the updates to user-log-dir coming along?\n<xnox> yes, should do those. fixes as agreed + docs.\n<jodh> xnox: ta :)\n<xnox> jodh: what if HOME=\"../lolcats/\"\n<jodh> xnox: is that even legitimate?\n<xnox> jodh: i'm just pondering that XDG_CONFIG_HOME might end up ralative, after the fallback is used which expands $HOME. Hence I am pondering to move the check that path is absolute to a match later point.\n<xnox> such that returned conf-sources array is always legitimate. \n<xnox> jodh: I can totally see puppet/chef/whatnot misconfigure passwd \n<jodh> xnox: yeah - that sounds like the safest option.\n<xnox> jodh: does upstart handle alright if logdir is non-existant or NULL.\n * xnox adds a note to check that.\n * xnox ponders how far one can get a desktop session going with relative $HOME\n<xnox> right, needs more tests. I need to check on a few more urgent installer things now.\n<JanC> what would a relative path in $HOME be relative to? âº\n<stgraber> your current working dir, whatever it's :)\n<JanC> how do you go \"up\" from '/' ?\n<JanC> well, I suppose it just stays there\n<stgraber> hehe, I didn't say relative $HOME would make sense, just said how it'd work ;) but yeah HOME=\"../../home/test\" will be equal to HOME=\"/home/test\" in upstart's case ;)\n<stgraber> right, .. on / points to . so you can't go any further but it won't fail either\n<JanC> I wonder if there is a rule about what applications should do with a relative $HOME...\n<stgraber> applications usually just append stuff to $HOME and let the libc do any kind of expansion\n#upstart 2013-01-19\n<xnox> JanC: yeah, I was pondering that if $PWD is null or '/' then all paths are absolute.\n<xnox> and the contrary case possible to launch additional user session init with whacky HOME env by hand.\n<JanC> well, with upstart running as a user, things would certainly start to get weird\n<xnox> yeah, previously we didn't use any of XDG_* nor HOME env variables =/ and now it's quickly becoming interesting.\n * xnox thinks that plymouth would be so much better off written using libnih\n#upstart 2014-01-13\n<SpamapS> slangasek: any idea on how to get upstart to print stuff on the console in sid?\n<gabrbedd> Hello! When upstart emits an event... is there a way to get that event broadcast over something like dbus?\n<gabrbedd> E.g. I have a system daemon that needs to be notified of upstart events as they happen.\n<gabrbedd> nevermind... I was using upstart 1.5. I see that this \"just works\" in 1.10.\n<SpamapS> gabrbedd: :)\n<SpamapS> slangasek: uugggh.. startpar.c has mixed tabs and spaces\n<slangasek> SpamapS: which stuff are you looking for upstart to print on the console?\n<slangasek> if this is about upstart's log messages, I don't know; but somewhere along the line there was a behavior change, I think on the kernel side, that caused upstart's use of kmsg to not work the way it had previously\n<SpamapS> slangasek: init: starting foo.. \n<SpamapS> slangasek: ahh yeah if kmsg is not working the same way that might do it\n<SpamapS> slangasek: I _do_ see some init: stuff in dmesg\n<SpamapS> slangasek: hey I'm reading startpar's upstart integration and wondering if there is a huge race condition\n<SpamapS> slangasek: Help me understand.. startpar is going to wait for started events from stuff in /etc/rc2.d ..\n<SpamapS> slangasek: but what if started already happened before startpar was listening\n<slangasek> SpamapS: startpar checks on startup for any already-running jobs; so as long as the job it's looking for ends in 'started' state, it's fine\n<SpamapS> slangasek: ok, so cloud-init won't work then\n<SpamapS> slangasek: it has tasks\n<SpamapS> slangasek: that scheme wont' work for tasks\n<slangasek> heh\n<SpamapS> slangasek: they're stop/waiting already\n<slangasek> yes, so the cloud-init upstart job needs to be changed to end in state 'started' with no running job\n<SpamapS> I believe that is what is going on in my VM\n<slangasek> s/job/process/\n<SpamapS> wha?\n<SpamapS> thats like.. breaking the basic way tasks work.\n<slangasek> why does it need to be a task?\n<slangasek> as opposed to being a non-task with no main process and a pre-start script?\n<SpamapS> because it blocks startup while udev-y things are happening.\n<SpamapS> basically cloud-init wants to stop everything until the network is up\n<slangasek> and why do you think a pre-start script doesn't do this just as well as a script? AFAIK, the two models are interconvertible, unless you need to run the job multiple times\n<SpamapS> ok so this will work for cloud-init, I see that. However.. it seems like we could fix this some other way.\n<SpamapS> slangasek: is this documented already and I just skipped it?\n<slangasek> which part?\n<SpamapS> slangasek: the \"startup tasks must be converted to jobs\" part?\n<slangasek> yeah, that's not documented\n<slangasek> because the set of affected packages is rather small, and doesn't really include anything outside of the base system... except for cloud-init :P\n<SpamapS> slangasek: :)\n<SpamapS> slangasek: and can I assume that you're using the symlinks in /etc/rc#.d to allow enable/disable?\n<slangasek> SpamapS: update-rc.d in sid supports managing upstart .override files for enable/disable, in parallel with the rc?.d symlink changes\n<slangasek> (upstart is certainly not going to look at the symlinks when deciding whether to start or stop a job)\n<SpamapS> oh ok, so would another possibility be to remove the symlinks for special packages like cloud-init ?\n<slangasek> you could do that locally, yeah\n<SpamapS> ok, I did that and cloud-init didn't start\n<slangasek> doing it in the distro doesn't help, since it breaks compatibility with sysvinit, which someone decided was worthwhile when porting to Debian :P\n<slangasek> hmm\n<SpamapS> so I was thinking startpar was stopping it or something\n<slangasek> nope\n<SpamapS> that observation is only about 4 minutes old though, so do ignore for now\n<SpamapS> slangasek: I'm also wondering why I'm not hitting some kind of timeout ...\n<slangasek> possibly because cloud-init sticks itself in places that block the timeout handling?\n * slangasek doesn't really know\n<SpamapS> slangasek: so the timeouts apply to waiting for the upstart jobs, right?\n<slangasek> which timeouts?\n<SpamapS> oh hm.. startpar's timeouts are about flushing buffers\n<SpamapS> n/m\n<SpamapS> slangasek: I saw -t ## and thought it was \"stop waiting for it after ## seconds\"\n<SpamapS> hm just changing all the tasks to pre-starts hangs boot for me :(\n<SpamapS> ah and anything that uses the stopped events of these tasks now has to use the started event... thats why ti hangs. :-P\n<SpamapS> doh, and have to add stop on's\n<SpamapS> slangasek: ok sorry to gab your ear off. If a job fails to start.. it will be stop/waiting .. but startpar will wait for it forever.... ideas?\n<slangasek> hmm\n<slangasek> isn't that the same thing startpar does with an init script that fails?\n<SpamapS> I dont know\n<slangasek> I'm pretty sure it is\n<SpamapS> I thought it would mark it as FAIL\n<slangasek> oh\n<SpamapS> and still finish the boot\n<slangasek> yeah, you could be right\n<slangasek> in which case, we would need to extend the startpar bridge to handle this case\n<slangasek> I'm not too enthusiastic about this; the startpar bridge was always intended to be a short-term transitional solution\n<SpamapS> You should get the stopped RESULT=# event.. but you might have missed it. :-P\n<SpamapS> slangasek: Understood. I'm happy to help. This is a side project of mine at the moment. :)\n<slangasek> we probably are getting the stopped RESULT=# event, but we aren't doing anything meaningful with the $RESULT\n<SpamapS> slangasek: so this particular job is start on (filesystem and started rsyslog) ..\n<SpamapS> slangasek: and it fails in < 1s\n<SpamapS> slangasek: so I'm guessing startpar is nearly always going to miss that\n<SpamapS> unless they're queued up or something\n<slangasek> which they aren't, I'm afraid\n<slangasek> (why is it 'start on filesystem and started rsyslog' instead of 'start on started rsyslog', given that rsyslog starts on filesystem?)\n<SpamapS> slangasek: cribbed from ubuntu I'm sure\n<SpamapS> it should probably just be start on started rsyslog\n<SpamapS> but even then.. :-P\n<slangasek> yep\n<SpamapS> this is cloud-config\n<SpamapS> it could probably just be 'start on stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345]' in Ubuntu..\n<SpamapS> but with the current scheme, nothing can be 'start on stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345]' because rc is waiting for it to start. :-P\n<SpamapS> anyway I think I'm in the weeds..\n<SpamapS> slangasek: what is your longer term plan?\n<slangasek> SpamapS: longer term plan is to not need a startpar bridge because everything is natively upstart\n<SpamapS> slangasek: part of what I'm doing is keeping a project that wants to use Debian from using systemd or generating a ton of new sysvinit scripts.. so just help me get out in front of them.. it doesn't have to be perfect today. :)\n<slangasek> or because Debian adopts systemd instead, one of the two :P\n<SpamapS> ok\n<SpamapS> so this resolves when the war is over. wonderful. ;)\n<SpamapS> doh\n<SpamapS> rsyslog isn't installed on my vm\n<SpamapS> wait no it is..\n<SpamapS> but it has no upstart job\n<SpamapS> which explains a lot ;)\n<SpamapS> slangasek: ok so for my purposes, just removing the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d is the simplest solution\n<SpamapS> slangasek: cloud-init is also pretty borken and will basically never work as-is but I'll submit patches. Thanks for the feedback.\n<slangasek> ah yes, rsyslog isn't upstartified yet, is it... I've not gotten around to submitting the patches since the Debian maintainer is one of the systemd maintainers, heh\n<SpamapS> slangasek: doh\n<SpamapS> slangasek: in a perfect world that wouldn't be problematic. :(\n<slangasek> SpamapS: so, we could extend this to let init scripts signal back to upstart as well by synthesizing 'start' events; this has been buried on my TODO list for a while\n<slangasek> SpamapS: but that can be done as a hook into lsb init functions\n<SpamapS> slangasek: yeah I always thought that would have been nice even in Ubuntu.\n<slangasek> SpamapS: it's < 20 lines of shell code, if you want to JFDI :)\n<SpamapS> slangasek: no, I don't think cloud-config actually needs rsyslog for one thing.\n<SpamapS> slangasek: also I've always discouraged that kind of boot ordering as crackful. Services that aren't _boot_ related should just all boot at runlevel 2.\n<SpamapS> cloud-config really can just start at runlevel 2.\n<SpamapS> slangasek: I'm reporting this bug against cloud-init and it is unfortunate.. I'm basically going to force an Ubuntu delta because of startpar. Are you sure there's no way for cloud-init to just say \"don't put my symlinks in /etc/rc#.d as long as upstart is the intended init\" ?\n<slangasek> SpamapS: there definitely isn't, because the init system can be changed at runtime, post-install\n<SpamapS> I fail to see how that doesn't result in a bootable system.\n<slangasek> ?\n<SpamapS> Triggers would be needed actually.\n<SpamapS> You'd need a trigger that removes the symlinks if upstart is the init, and adds them back in if sysvinit is in place.\n<SpamapS> ah delta management\n<SpamapS> slangasek: is there some kind of CTTE action coming soon on this?\n<slangasek> right... and those triggers don't exist, the current model is that the filesystem should have everything in place to boot under any init\n<slangasek> SpamapS: probably going to vote this month, if all the members have a chance to finish their investigation\n<SpamapS> slangasek: I get that model. Another option is to have a latch job keeps track of tasks that have started.\n<slangasek> anyway, I think making init scripts emit start/stop events is a good thing in and of itself\n<SpamapS> yeah I do too\n<slangasek> so if I can't goad you into JFDI, maybe I should ;)\n<SpamapS> just don't have much more time to put into my little side project :)\n<SpamapS> slangasek: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=735204 reported against cloud-init, FYI\n<slangasek> cheers\n<SpamapS> slangasek: note that I am pondering a single \"start on started\" job that keeps track of what has started in /run\n<SpamapS> slangasek: startpar could check that after setting up the event listening.. \n<slangasek> I'd suggest making it part of the existing startpar bridge job... trying to have two separate jobs that 'start on started' is a great way to get an infinite loop, jodh found this out once :)\n<SpamapS> Oh I didn't look at that\n<SpamapS> but... right.. I never thoguht of that!\n<SpamapS> you almost have to have a special type of start on for htat\n<SpamapS> for that\n#upstart 2014-01-14\n<kaie> hello. Could you please help to clarify a comment on this page? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging -- nearly 7 years ago someone had asked for clarification -- and I'm also not understanding it today :)\n<kaie> question is: How do you request dumping of upstart events to a file on boot?\n<kaie> That page says: echo \"Debug Message\" >> /tmp/upstart\n<kaie> That seems confusing. How does one trigger upstart to write to that file (or a different file) on boot?\n<kaie> I want to see which events are generated and processed on boot, and in which order\n<kaie> I already enabled it with --verbose but that's not sufficient, because it's goes away once startup finishes. I want that output written to a file.\n<kaie> ok. I don't know which of both fixed it. But I've added both \"--verbose --debug\" to the kernel command line and I was able to find the events in \"dmesg\" output\n<kaimast> hey all. are there any tests for extras? I try to add ipv6 support to the socket bridge but I cannot find any tests for it...\n<kaimast> would be nice if somebody could point me to the tests for any of the bridges so I don't have to start from scratch\n#upstart 2014-01-15\n<Madkinder> Hi. Is there any way I can reliably tell that a service is started with upstart?\n<Madkinder> from what I see upstart reports that it managed to start the service regardless of success\n<kaimast> Madkinder: afaik the service tells upstart that is has started successfully\n<kaimast> there are different ways to do this. see the \"expect\" flag in the cookbook\n<Madkinder> take a look: http://pastebin.com/ZNhwKTVs\n<Madkinder> this starts like a charm\n<kaimast> maybe because of the respawn flag?\n<jodh> Madkinder: Upstart will report that it successfully started the job when you \"start\" it, but \"status <job>\" will show you it is not (no longer) running.\n<Madkinder> jodh: that's the problem I'd like to fix\n<jodh> Madkinder: look at 'post-start' in init(5). I hope your service isn't as flaky as /bin/false though :)\n<Madkinder> jodh: you mean I should check whether my process started manually and emit a failure event or something like that, right?\n<jodh> Madkinder: no, I mean that if your job is really likely to fail at startup, you should use pre-start or post-start to handle that scenario. Generally, pre-start would setup the required environment. If you make the pre-start fail, the job will fail to start and \"start <job>\" will indicate that clearly.\n<Madkinder> unfortunately not all the services have a way to check the environment\n<Madkinder> for example, nginx and apache to with their -t flag, but they are rather an exception then a rule :(\n<Madkinder> I'm trying to configure my servers with configuration management tools (salt/ansible). The problem is that they both report that a service is started and running successfully while it might not be true.\n<Madkinder> most of the services with ancient sysvinit scripts work like a charm and report start failures, most upstart ones do not :(\n<methods> anyone know what the proper `start on` target is for networking ?\n<methods> I've tried just `networking` but doesn't seem to startup\n#upstart 2014-01-16\n<jbalonso1> Anyone here know how to increase the available filehandles for upstart itself?\n<jbalonso1> (I'm running on Ubuntu Raring)\n<jbalonso1> I have a great number of jobs I'm trying to manage with upstart, and I've found that upstart is losing file handles to (rather useful) log files. When init runs out, /sbin/init spins at 100% and is unresponsive.\n<jackhill> Hi, I have a service that I am trying to write a configuration for.\n<jackhill> However, it doesn't behave correctly if I use expect fork or expect daemon. The PID reported by upstart is different than what I observer the service to be running as in ps.\n<jackhill> Also, a symptom of this is that I can't get upstart to stop the service.\n<jackhill> It works \"correctly\" if I tell the service to run in the foreground and omit the expect directive.\n<jackhill> My question is: is there a tool see if a service forks or double forks or does something else weird?\n<jackhill> Oh, it seems that, occording to the cookbook, there is no ill effect to just running the service in the foreground, so I'll just do that. :)\n<dylukes> Hey guys, I'm in a bit of a pickle.\n<dylukes> I have an upstart conf running `exec gunicorn...` inside a script stanza\n<dylukes> and a bunch of env variables declared outside\n<dylukes> I want those variables to be visible inside the exec. Is there any way to do this? Alternatively I can have the same variables in a .env file, but I can't figure out how to exec that file and have those visible to the exec'd gunicorn task\n<dylukes> hm, now they seem to work\n<dylukes> ah, no they aren't :p\n<jbalonso1> dylukes: Did you export your env variables prior to the exec?\n#upstart 2014-01-17\n<Woosta> I have an upstart script with an 'exec' in it. Should I be expecting \"ap_monitor start\" to daemonise or background the exec'd command? \n<Woosta> Script here if anyone wakes up: http://paste.linuxassist.net/view/1ab2fefc\n<ritz|m7> Hi, system hangs on boot with upstart on trusty after installing SELinux\n<ritz|m7> how do I debug this\n<ritz|m7> Using --verbose option doors not yield any valuable detail\n<ritz|m7> Recovery option works fine\n<ritz|m7> Last message seen is \"stopping mount network filesystem\"\n<ritz|m7> Nevermind, fixed this\n<ritz|m7> My update was screwed up, upstart was crashing on restart\n#upstart 2014-01-18\n<gabrbedd> Is it possible to do something like `start on running foo' ?\n<gabrbedd> Specifically... the normal logic would be something like `start on started A and started B'\n<gabrbedd> But to handle restart I would also like to support `start on started A and running B' as well\n#upstart 2015-01-13\n<renan_> Would `start on started beanstalkd` work for a upstart script, given that beanstalkd is using SysV?\n#upstart 2015-01-14\n<pilva> hey, how can I run 2 gunicorn projects with upstart?\n<pilva> hey, how can I run 2 gunicorn projects with upstart?\n#upstart 2015-01-16\n<hydrajump> hi why can't I get upstart to work with `start on net-device-up IFACE=eth0` ubuntu 14.04? \n<hydrajump> I've tried with INTERFACE=eth0 but I can't get even a simple `echo \"test\" > /tmp/test` \n<hydrajump> I want to do something when eth0 is up and another upstart job when eth0 is down, but if I can't get echo to work with those events there's little point in trying to do anything else :(\n<hydrajump> On the contrary I have other upstart jobs using `start on net-device-removed INTERFACE=tun0\n<hydrajump> which work fine\n<hydrajump> must be some bug with upstart. if I do `start on net-device-up IFACE!=lo` it works fine everytime\n#upstart 2015-01-17\n<steven__> exit\n#upstart 2016-01-19\n<xevious> Is there a way to either ask upstart if it's done booting or receive a notification when it's done booting? By \"done booting\", I mean when all the services that are configured to start when the system is booted have been launched.\n#upstart 2016-01-20\n<xevious> Is there a way to either ask upstart if it's done booting or receive a notification when it's done booting? By \"done booting\", I mean when all the services that are configured to start when the system is booted have been launched.\n<topi`> if I have set up a .conf to start only after job X has been started (\"start on started X\") then it actually gets triggered when job X has launched the main task - NOT e.g. after post-script has been done\n<topi`> this is a problem, since the task X seems to take 1-2 sec to do its stuff (mount a filesystem, actually) and anything that depends on this mount, fails\n<topi`> I tried to put a \"sleep 2\" into a post-script, but it changed nothing\n<topi`> is there a way to specify \"start on finished-post-running X\" for the job that needs that filesystem mount? (there is a chdir directive to that mount)\n<JanC> topi`: \"start on stopped X\" ?\n#upstart 2019-01-15\n<emilsp> I know that I can depend on a service parent_serv with \"start on started parent_serv\" - but is it possible to make this dependency optional? i.e. only depend on parent_serv if it exists?\n#upstart 2019-01-17\n<hallyn> emilsp: well, i guess define 'exists'? you could have a job check for it existing and ifre off \"no_parent_serv\" event if not, and then start on started parent_serv or started no_parent_serv\" ?\n<emilsp> hallyn: that's a solution :) I'll contemplate that. Thank you very much!\n<hallyn> cool, np\n"},"meta":{"kind":"string","value":"{\n \"pile_set_name\": \"Ubuntu IRC\"\n}"}}},{"rowIdx":15,"cells":{"text":{"kind":"string","value":"#ubuntu-co 2011-03-07\n<SergioMeneses> buenas...\n<GoneBq> hola alguien de barranquilla\n<same> buenas\n<kuadrosx> don same\n<same> kuadrosx: q mas hermano?\n<kuadrosx> bien bien :P\n<kuadrosx> same: como le termino de ir el viernes? :P\n<same> kuadrosx: me alegra ome\n<Christian> buenas\n<Guest42785> buenas...\n#ubuntu-co 2011-03-08\n<orlando> hola\n<orlando> alguien me puede ayudar a conseguir portatiles con ubuntu\n<SergioMeneses> buenas...\n#ubuntu-co 2011-03-09\n<SergioMeneses> buenas...\n<zidanebs> hola q tal!\n#ubuntu-co 2011-03-10\n<SergioMeneses> buenas...\n#ubuntu-co 2011-03-11\n<ubermensh> Buen dÃa. Estoy instalando netbeans en Ubuntu, y al momento de la instalación me solicita el JDK. Ya realizé la descarga del JDK el cual viene en un archivo binario; realizé la instalación de este pero al intentar instalar netbeans me sigue saliendo la alerta que no encuentra el JDK. Agradezco cualesquier ayuda.\n<cristiangb> Hola, estoy usando un cd-live de ubuntu 10.04.2 y deseo instalarmelo, pero tengo un problema y necesito ayuda porfabor.\n<Andphe> y cual es el ....\n<cristiangb> hello, I'm using a ubuntu-live cd and I want to install it I had a problem in Windows 7, I am a new user, I am using a translator to communicate, I need help please, I can lose 5 years of my life in photographs, videos and important documents. Someone please respond.\n<Andphe> cristiangb, en español\n<Andphe> :)\n<Andphe> lo otro es que hay que tener algo de paciencia porque no todos pueden responder inmediatamente\n<cristiangb> lo siento, creà que esta pestaña era en inglés :p\n<Andphe> jajaja\n<Andphe> y cual es el problema ?\n<cristiangb> Andphe comentava que estoy usando un cd-live de ubuntu 10.04.2 porque he tenido un problema en windows 7 y no puedo acceder al sistema, me dice algo asi como invalid partition table. El win7 me lo instalo un amigo y he intentado bajarme un win7 para intentar recuperar el sistema pero ''esta tocado'' y cuando accedo a recuperar sale todo en chino literalmente, aunque ''trasteando'' un poco he conseguido ver que no se ha borrado \n<cristiangb> pero en la informacion del disco duro sale como si estubiera vacio... necesito ayuda para recuperar esos archivos...\n<Andphe> aja\n<Andphe> ay llae\n<Andphe> hmmm\n<cristiangb> perdon por la parrafada o si me he expresado mal en algo.\n<Andphe> cristiangb, le toca con algo que recuperar tablas de particion\n<Andphe> algo como esto http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk\n<cristiangb> ando un poco escaso de conocimientos en informatica y no se inglés, solo con traductores :p si me pudiera explicar que hacer para recuperar los archivos porfavor\n<Andphe> cristiangb, yo tampoco tengo experiencia con esas herramientas\n<Andphe> eso por lo reguar\n<Andphe> viene en esos CDs especializados de recuperacion de inf\n<Andphe> como un livecd\n<Andphe> ahh mire lo puede instalar en el livecd que ud tiene ahi\n<Andphe> installe el paquete testdisk\n<Andphe> estas son las instrucciones que busca http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step\n<Andphe> pero en Inglés\n<Andphe> ahh pere\n<Andphe> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Paso_A_Paso\n<Andphe> cristiangb, ââ\n<Andphe> dele una leida\n<Andphe> antes de hacer cualquier cosa\n<tkw-one> cristiangb: no se asuste, solo por si algo copie la informacion mas valiosa en otro lugar ( particion, o cd/dvd, o memoria usb, o donde sea) y luego use ntfsfix... con eso repara la tabla de particiones si los datos no han sido atacados por un virus.\n<cristiangb> Andphe ok lo voi a intentar, esque nunca antes he usado linux :p, de todas formas tengo mucho miedo a que algo se borre, porque tengo unos 5 años en archivos, nose si llevarlo a algun tecnico por miedo a perderlo... muchas gracias por la ayuda y los enlaces. Si mejor voi a leer primero el manual :D muchas gracias Andphe\n<Andphe> si, en ese punto es importante que no haga nada de lo que no este seguro\n<cristiangb> esque no tengo acceso a esa información, en el cd de windows7 sale como que esta ahà pero no puedo acceder y desde el cd de ubuntu sale como si el disco duro estubiera vacio\n<tkw-one> cristiangb: si un virus le daño la tabla de particiones o el sector de arranque lo puede arreglar con linux, pero si el virus ataco los archivos de datos y ejecutables .. eso no lo repara nadie.\n<cristiangb> ok, voi a estudiarme el manual de TestDisk y intentaré acerlo, muchas gracias por la ayuda, os cuento luego :)\n<cristiangb> perdon no me fije que me recomendaste otro programa twk-one, que me recomendais el test-disk o el ntfsfix?\n<cristiangb> Andphe tengo 4 opciones de descarga de test-disk para linux cual me descargo? gracias por la paciencia... Linux, kernel 2.6.x i386/x86_64 - linux.png Linux, kernel 2.4.x i386/x86_64 - rpm.png Linux i386 RPM - rpm.png Linux SRPM \n<Andphe> cristiangb, instalelo en el live CD\n<Andphe> abra una terminal\n<Andphe> y escriba sudo apt-get install testdisk\n<Andphe> con eso tiene\n<cristiangb> ok, gracias de nuevo\n<cristiangb> me dice que no se pudo encontrar el paquete :(\n<cristiangb> Andphe - tkw-one, he probado de instalar los programas que me recomendaron pero en la consola del cd-live me dice que no se encuentra el paquete :(\n<Andphe> debe ser que está en otra sección\n<Andphe> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_y_CD_de_Live_rescue\n<cristiangb> en la página dice que se encuentra con este comando pero la consola dice que no... :S sudo ''apt-get install testdisk''\n<cristiangb> es la versión 10.04.2 de ubuntu por si ayuda... y gracias de nuevo Andphe... te estare agobiando creo...\n<Andphe> hola, no es que estoy intermitente\n<Andphe> ehmm\n<Andphe> cristiangb, mire a ver si en el archivo /etc/apt/sources.list tiene algo como\n<Andphe> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty universe\n<Andphe> cristiangb, debo irme\n<Andphe> cristiangb, si ve que se le complica la cosa \n<cristiangb> ok gracias por todo andphe\n<Andphe> mire en esa pagina\n<Andphe> un livecd de gparted\n<Andphe> ese deberia traer ya instalado el testdisk\n<cristiangb> una ultima cosa si puedes en que apartado lo busco de la pagina?\n<Andphe> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_y_CD_de_Live_rescue\n<Andphe> dice gparted livecd\n<Andphe> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php\n<cristiangb> ok gracias por todo Andphe ojalá pueda solucionarlo :)\n<moy1989> buenas\n<moy1989> alguien me podrÃa dar una definición de IPS (sistema de prevención de intrusos) y 5 ejemplos\n#ubuntu-co 2011-03-12\n<SergioMeneses> buenas...\n<sirderigo> buenas \n<SergioMeneses> buenas...\n#ubuntu-co 2011-03-13\n * dannyLopez68 AFK\n<nephlin> buenas tardes !\n<nephlin> alguien por aqui ? ? ?\n * dannyLopez68 AFK\n * dannyLopez68 AFK\n<SergioMeneses> buenas...\n#ubuntu-co 2012-03-05\n<SergioMeneses> n0rman, \\o\n<n0rman> SergioMeneses: :)\n<SergioMeneses> n0rman, saludos bro! venga ud andaba bucando a Jhosman?\n<SergioMeneses> yo por hay vi un email de un correo @ubuntu.com\n<SergioMeneses> era eso?\n<n0rman> SergioMeneses: si, ya lo resolvimos\n<SergioMeneses> n0rman, y que era?\n#ubuntu-co 2012-03-06\n<Ignacio> hola amigos\n<IngForigua> Ignacio: hola\n<SergioMeneses> entonces IngForigua\n * SergioMeneses saluda a todo el canal con la mano!\n<IngForigua> SergioMeneses: kiai\n<IngForigua> ubucon 2014 es en colombia\n<IngForigua> ya me lo pedi\n<SergioMeneses> IngForigua: eso ya estaba pisado desde hace como dos meses\n<SergioMeneses> :D\n<SergioMeneses> pars que venga n0rman con los ninjas de -ni\n<SergioMeneses> :D\n<IngForigua> SergioMeneses: NAAAAAAAAAAA yo que queria trabajar ahora ni m\n<IngForigua> me bajo d ela nube\n<SergioMeneses> IngForigua: don't worry bb\n<SergioMeneses> you can work with me :D\n<SergioMeneses> IngForigua: hagale! q gente que ayude es lo que hace falta\n<SergioMeneses> si hollman tambien quiere bienvenidos serán!\n<IngForigua> SergioMeneses: hagamolo en tierrita caliente\n<IngForigua> en bogota manda huevo\n<hollman> sergiokof, ?\n<hollman> perdon\n<hollman> SergioMeneses, ?\n<IngForigua> SergioMeneses: me voy a venezuela\n<SergioMeneses> hollman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuConLA 2014 en Colombia\n<SergioMeneses> IngForigua: o.0\n<hollman> puede ser\n<hollman> si \n<hollman> por que no\n<IngForigua> SergioMeneses: el otro año si voy a uruguay\n<SergioMeneses> IngForigua: eso eso\n<SergioMeneses> nos quedamos donde rubianes\n<SergioMeneses> de hay podemos ir a punta del este\n<SergioMeneses> es breve\n<hollman> IngForigua, pa donde va ?\n<hollman> cuando ?\n<hollman> a que ?\n<SergioMeneses> hollman: el ubucon del 2013 es en uruguay\n<hollman> :-o\n<hollman> vamonos para argentina!\n<hollman> tan wuapetonas las chicas\n<hollman> ha y a hablar de ununtu :P\n<SergioMeneses> IngForigua: hollman la fecha de la ubucon de este año la movieron a junio\n<SergioMeneses> pueden ir?\n<hollman> donde es ?\n<IngForigua> ahhhhhhhh estraño trabajar pa ubuntu colombia :'(\n<IngForigua> extraño\n<hollman> IngForigua, llore\n<hollman> !\n<hollman> :P\n<SergioMeneses> hollman: lol\n<SergioMeneses> IngForigua: eso eso! hagale q gente es lo q se necesita... a mi el LC me tiene con el tiempo recorto\n<IngForigua> es que en ubuntu no hay peleas ni competencia ni abusivos aprovechados\n<IngForigua> el trabajo es tan vacano y relajao\n<SergioMeneses> IngForigua: <3\n * SergioMeneses va a empezar a llorar\n<IngForigua> en redes libres\n<IngForigua> hay unos aprovechados con poder\n<IngForigua> que ven esto es por la parte $$$\n<SergioMeneses> IngForigua: :S pero hay q meterle la ficha!\n<IngForigua> parce\n<IngForigua> mejor no ot mas\n<IngForigua> :S\n<marcos_amaris> Buenas tardes, amigos.\n#ubuntu-co 2012-03-07\n<JHOSMAN> Donde es la reunion? \n<SergioMeneses> JHOSMAN, en el meeting como siempre\n<JHOSMAN> ps estamos todos #ForeverAlone jaja \n<SergioMeneses> o.0\n<WilsonChavez> Buenas Noches, Saben de algun Programa similiar a ActiveSync para la sincronizacion de Smartphone Motorola MC55 que funcione en Ubuntu 11.10\n<WilsonChavez> Holaaaaa nadie existe por aca... o no ayudan?\n<CesarGomez> Saludos WilsonChavez, si , si ayudamos y si existe alguien de hecho hay muchos :)\n<CesarGomez> ten pasiencia de seguro en un tiempo prudente quien conozca la respuesta a tu pregunta la dara\n<CesarGomez> paciencia **\n<CesarGomez> perdon por el error :$\n<JHOSMAN> Wilson que neceistas?\n<CesarGomez> a su vez le recuerdo que puede usar la lista de correo para generar la pregunta, o shapado en estos dos sitios puede obtener la ayuda necesaria de seguro alguien le podra ayudar ;)\n<WilsonChavez> ¿Saben de algun Programa similiar a ActiveSync para la sincronizacion de Smartphone Motorola MC55 que funcione en Ubuntu 11.10?\n<CesarGomez> WilsonChavez âââ\n<tkw-one[el_Malo]> dulces sueños con esta chica: http://www.elmundo.es/america/2010/12/10/estados_unidos/1292020500.html\n<CesarGomez> lol\n<JHOSMAN> No manejo plataforma motorola =(\n<WilsonChavez> por lo visto no existe nada para sincronizar la informacion recolectada en el trabajo mediante un programa similar al mencionado anteriormente tocara volver a guindos... ya he rebuscado por todo san google y no hay solucion eficaz\n<JHOSMAN> Pues algo similar me paso antes con un Motorola\n<JHOSMAN> pero lo q hice fue hacerle un virtualbox y ya jeje\n<CesarGomez> iba a decir lo mismo xD!\n<JHOSMAN> =)\n<WilsonChavez> que rabia tuve virtualizado esa joda del guindos pèro no me corre el activesync\n<JHOSMAN> ya probaste con Wine? \n<WilsonChavez> tocara instalarlo y dejar ubuntu todo sea por mi trabajo\n<WilsonChavez> si no coje con wine tampoco ya he intentado un poco de soluciones de internet y nada :(\n<JHOSMAN> :(\n<JHOSMAN> ya verificaste con el fabricante? \n<JHOSMAN> a lo mejor tengan una solucion\n<WilsonChavez> pues es que eso es un aparato que permite recolectar informacion estadistica en establecimientos comerciales y tiene un sistema lector de codigos de barras\n<WilsonChavez> de todas formas gracias... pero por aca tampoco dieron con el chiste... feliz noche Bye\n<JHOSMAN> haa \n<tkw-one[el_Malo]> si estos manes no saben \n<JHOSMAN> ok buena noche! \n<tkw-one[el_Malo]> en este canal es pregunta y resuelvelo tu mismo y quedar bien hecho.\n<SergioMeneses> DanielF, ceronman Lamusj andresmujica https://www.coursera.org/algo/auth/welcome gracias a ceronman \n<DanielF> huy aguanta\n<DanielF> gracias\n<Lamusj> SergioMeneses, excelenteee! o/ gracias!\n<andresmujica> WilsonChavez lo que buscas lo encuentras aquà https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/WindowsMobile \n<andresmujica> existen varias opciones como synce y multisync\n<andresmujica> falta ver si soportan tu dispositivo\n<CesarGomez> emms ya se fue xD!\n<k-milo> Buenas Tardes\n#ubuntu-co 2012-03-08\n<SergioMeneses> buenas!\n<CesarGomez> SergioMeneses: bien o no ?\n<SergioMeneses> CesarGomez: bn bn \n<SergioMeneses> hollman: como vio lo de la respuesta a bogota-mesh?\n<hollman> SergioMeneses, mera eleganciaaaaaaaaa\n<hollman> :D\n<hollman> SergioMeneses, pero no han respondido mas :(\n<hollman> yo ya les respondi\n<SergioMeneses> hollman: si eso me fije!... es que la respues oficial la enviaba mujica! xD pero si tenia pensado responder\n<Fdiaz> hola\n<Fdiaz> buenos dias\n<Fdiaz> soy nuevo utilizando \n<Fdiaz> sistemas operativos\n<Fdiaz> linux\n<Fdiaz> quisiera saber\n<Fdiaz> çcomo instalar\n<Fdiaz> un un archivo .tar.gz\n<hollman> http://bogota-mesh.org/blog/la_red_por_y_para_los_usuarios\n<gooria> hola, estoy estrenando ubuntu en mi portatil y tengo unproblemilla\n<gooria> no he podido acceder a los datos que tengo en la memoria sd\n<gooria> alguien me puede ayudar?\n<gooria> ah y tambien me ha quedado el equipo demasiado lento, es un toshiba portege 3440 ct\n<gooria> , es un poco ancino, pero con windows 2000 me funcionaba bien y me dijeron que con ubuntu volaria\n<gooria> pero n fue asi, la version de ubuntu es la 10.04\n#ubuntu-co 2012-03-09\n<ivan___> hola\n<ivan___> hay alguien que hable español?\n#ubuntu-co 2012-03-10\n<vientosolar> alguien por aqui?\n<JHOSMAN> Quien esta x aca??? \n<IngForigua> (18:53:46) ivan___: hay alguien que hable español? <-- i dont believe\n<vientosolar> ayuda para actualizar repositorios\n<vientosolar> que grax\n<JHOSMAN> Forigua yo jajaja\n<dodi> hhhhhh\n<dodi> Hola soy nuevo en esto de linux, me preguntaba si por el chat me darias instrucciones para la instalacion de una tarjeta inalambrica,gracias.\n<ofprieto> hola :S\n<JHOSMAN> :foreveralone: jaja \n<ofprieto> sej juee\n#ubuntu-co 2012-03-11\n<hiko_hitokiri> SergioMeneses, que dice como va la novela\n<hiko_hitokiri> SergioMeneses, tene cuidado hay anda el elitista de n0rman \n<SergioMeneses> hiko_hitokiri: entonces!\n<SergioMeneses> jaja no el n0rman es un buen amigo\n<hiko_hitokiri> SergioMeneses, pero es elitista jajaja\n<hiko_hitokiri> SergioMeneses, es joda nomas el bien sabe\n<ofprieto> bunas tardes a todos\n<ofprieto> buenas tardes a todos\n<SergioMeneses> IngForigua, \\o\n<IngForigua> SergioMeneses: quiubo\n<SergioMeneses> IngForigua, leyo el correo\n<IngForigua> SergioMeneses: cual?\n<SergioMeneses> IngForigua, la respuesta a b-mesh\n<IngForigua> a si severo\n<IngForigua> carajo tiene super poderes\n<SergioMeneses> IngForigua, o.0\n<IngForigua> /kick SergioMeneses\n<SergioMeneses> IngForigua, chistoso\n<SergioMeneses> IngForigua, ya respondi tambien\n<IngForigua> (16:00:15) You're not a channel operator\n#ubuntu-co 2013-03-04\n<Meganet> buenas\n<Meganet> tengo una duda\n<Meganet> puedo instalar ubuntu a un pc chino que tiene como disco duro una usb udiskchip\n<hollman> Meganet, si\n<Meganet> tengo un pc chino y quiero ponerle ubuntu o otra distro\n<Meganet> instale debian pero no pude configurar el wifi\n<Meganet> y ubuntu livecd lo renoce el wifi\n<Meganet> reconoce\n<Meganet> el problema es que necesito una distro para esa vaina\n<Meganet> :)\n<Meganet> venia con un xp y ya no lo puedo instalar\n<Meganet> le di lspci | grep wireless y no mostro nada\n<Meganet> pero ubuntu live si la reconoce\n* SergioMeneses changed the topic of #ubuntu-co to: Bienvenido al canal IRC de Ubuntu Colombia www.ubuntu-co.com - No olvidar respetar el CoC - http://www.ubuntu-ve.org/?q=codigodeconducta - Preguntas y respuestas Ubuntu http://ubuntu.shapado.com/\n<SergioMeneses> entonces!\n<SergioMeneses> DGUERRERO, hollman kuadrosx tiagoscd \\o\n#ubuntu-co 2013-03-05\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC3, \\o\n<BartOC3> SergioMeneses Buenas noches!!\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC3, bien bien... leyendo todo lo q me compartio\n<BartOC3> SergioMeneses yo ando modificando algunas cositas..xD jeje ahora actualizo.. j\n<BartOC3> e instalando todo en un nuevo pc q tengo..:P\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC3, bien bien... yo tambiuen ando haciendo otras tareas, mañana es la ods y anda todo el mundo corriendo\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC3, mire para las tareas https://trello.com/ubuconla\n<BartOC3> Si eso es otroll\n<BartOC3> me toca instalar todo hasta lo de libo..:P\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC3, como asi?\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC3, paseme su mail por pm\n<BartOC3> SergioMeneses --> ya se lo envie..\n<BartOC3> SergioMeneses --> las herramientas de calidad de LibreOffice ..\n<SergioMeneses> listo hay le llega el email\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC3, kk\n<SergioMeneses> listo BartOC3 hay quedaron las tareas en el trello :D \n<BartOC3> Excelente!! SergioMeneses\n<kuadrosx> SergioMeneses: https://plus.google.com/u/0/100409717163242445476/posts/jDq6BAgdpkG\n<SergioMeneses> kuadrosx, ya lo habia visto\n<SergioMeneses> pues la wiki no el post\n<kuadrosx> SergioMeneses: e \n<kuadrosx> es el creador de wayland\n<kuadrosx> bueno brb\n<SergioMeneses> kuadrosx, ;)\n * SergioMeneses es antichevere como hollman \n<SergioMeneses> kuadrosx, van a poner a shapado como soporte oficial para ubuntu en español\n<SergioMeneses> \\o/\n<kuadrosx> :O\n<kuadrosx> hollman: ya se paso a mir?\n<kuadrosx> xD\n * kuadrosx trolling\n<hollman> jajajaja\n<hollman> hasta hoy lo leÃ\n<hollman> quede :-o :E\n<Costeelation> Hooola\n<Costeelation> buenas tardes señores\n#ubuntu-co 2013-03-06\n<Costeelation> Buenas noches.\n<Costeelation> Jlcmux: hola josé luis quisiera que me linkiaras información acerca del flisol en medellin, si no es mucha molestia\n<Jlcmux> Costeelation, \n<Jlcmux> Apenas estamos creando la nueva pagina y todo\n<Jlcmux> Pero que informacion necesitas\n<Jlcmux> Yo te la puedo decir\n<Costeelation> mmm lo básico, donde cuando y a que horas :)\n<Jlcmux> El 27 de Abril\n<Jlcmux> En la Universidad de Medellin\n<Jlcmux> El horario no lo tenemos exacto\n<Jlcmux> Pero imagino que como todos los años\n<Jlcmux> de 8 a 6 o algo parecido\n<Jlcmux> Costeelation, \n<Costeelation> mmm está bien :) si en algo puedo colaborar hazmelo saberâ¬\n<Jlcmux> Pues dime tu\n<Jlcmux> En que te gustaria ayudar\n<Costeelation> no se jaja soy muy bueno instalando cuanta distribucion encuentro :p\n<Costeelation> podrÃa servir de instalador \n<Jlcmux> Listo\n<Jlcmux> Si quiere lo anoto \n<Jlcmux> ME da su correo\n<Jlcmux> y te voy avisando\n<Jlcmux> Costeelation, \n<Costeelation> claro\n<Costeelation> costeelation@hotmail.com, yo leo la lista de correo\n<Jlcmux> a listo\n<Jlcmux> Nos vemos\n<Jlcmux> Me voy\n<Jlcmux> Costeelation, cualquier cosa te aviso.\n<Costeelation> Si gracias, estaré pendiente\n<Costeelation> que estés bien.\n<SergioMeneses> don BartOC3 \\o\n<BartOC3> hola don SergioMeneses como ha estado\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC3, hay pasandola y ud?\n<SergioMeneses> si vio la noticia del espacio de la ubucon? que bueno por ellos\n<BartOC3> SergioMeneses -> aqui revisando un correo q llego de tdf--> para participar en la traducion de esto\n<BartOC3> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/1/13/GS40-GettingStartedLO.pdf\n<BartOC3> Si señor Excelente!!\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC3, interesante\n<BartOC3> Ya tengo la infor para hoy!!\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC3, perfecto!\n<SergioMeneses> sabe que como que no entendieron mi punto en cuanto al proyecto de migracion\n<SergioMeneses> dan mucho nombres que encasillan el proyecto como: software libre\n<SergioMeneses> y precisamente no es eso\n<BartOC3> cual al proyecto de educacion ?\n<BartOC3> Bueno y como se han propopuestos esos nombres!\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC31, si ese mismo\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC3, en el email q tu mandaste, no?\n<BartOC31> Si señor\n<BartOC31> pero eso no los propuse lo mando \n<BartOC31> diego gomez\n<SergioMeneses> si si \n<BartOC31> y te comparto otro documento q envio\n<BartOC31> el con sugerencias\n<BartOC31> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MwA3qHcKE0oscoCFG9Iky_UnAJpbqrs1E1M1_9Zvz3s/edit?usp=sharing\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC31, si lo andaba viendo\n<SergioMeneses> pero tenemos q reunirnos\n<BartOC31> Si voy a enviar un doodle para q pongan cada uno disoponibilidad de tiempo y asi pode realizar la reunion\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC31, eso es un proceso largo y doloroso\n<SergioMeneses> ponga un dia y listo\n<SergioMeneses> la gente le saca el tiempo\n<SergioMeneses> sino duramos un mes cuadrando la fecha de la reunion\n * SergioMeneses se acuerda de cuando se programaban las reuniones del concilio y se sienta en el rincon\n<BartOC31> jajaj listo perfecto!!\n<BartOC31> lya cambio el horario para las reuniones del coniclio\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC31, jejeje como a las 9 las mandaron\n<BartOC31> jeje si.. pero bueno..\n<BartOC31> SergioMeneses en el flisol de la guajia esta rebueno van de invitados el alcalde de riohacha y los directores de las UNAD de la zona caibe\n<BartOC31> caribe\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC31, q bueno :) me alegra\n<BartOC31> Jueves 7 de marzo a las 07.00pm Reunion del proyecto!\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC31, jejeje si hay lo lei\n<SergioMeneses> eso eso\n<BartOC31> SergioMeneses hay flisol San Andres ...xd jeje\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC31, jeje esa si es nueva\n<SergioMeneses> pero eso es de colombia o nicaragua al fin?\n<SergioMeneses> jajajaja\n<BartOC31> jajajajjajaja\n<BartOC31> Segun de colombia todavia... bueno ahora\n<BartOC31> espereamos q siga asi\n<BartOC31> xd\n<SergioMeneses> xD\n<hollman> y SergioMeneses no va a trollear en el planet ?\n<SergioMeneses> hollman, no... yo no posteo eso, yo les digo en las reuniones q eso esta mal\n<SergioMeneses> pero ud sabe quien maneja la ultima palabra\n<hollman> entristesedor ...\n<hollman> muy mal\n<SergioMeneses> hollman, un monton de gente anda ofendidisima... pero un monton monton\n<hollman> SergioMeneses, +1\n<hollman> ;)\n<SergioMeneses> y q se cuenta don hollman ?\n<SergioMeneses> como les fue con los celulares?\n<hollman> pues bien\n * SergioMeneses tiene envidia de no haber podido ir\n<hollman> no me quede todo el tiempo\n<hollman> no rindio y me fui\n<SergioMeneses> como ais q no rindio?\n<SergioMeneses> bueno me voy retirando\n<SergioMeneses> nos vemos luego... a ver si consigo algo de comer por aqui\n#ubuntu-co 2013-03-07\n<BartOC> SergioMeneses que lindo el meetingology\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC, y eso q no usaron nada de lo q de verdad hace\n<SergioMeneses> solo activaron el log\n<BartOC> si eso vi..\n<BartOC> con tiempo lo reviso bien y miro para realizar la prueba la proxima reunion de uco\n<SergioMeneses> #startmeeting\n<SergioMeneses> &startmeeting\n<ubuntu-co-bot> SergioMeneses: Error: \"startmeeting\" is not a valid command.\n<SergioMeneses> &startmeeting reunion \n<ubuntu-co-bot> SergioMeneses: Error: \"startmeeting\" is not a valid command.\n<BartOC> error\n<SergioMeneses> ve' no funciona\n<SergioMeneses> jajaja\n<BartOC> lol\n<BartOC> te hizo quedar mal\n<BartOC> xD\n<SergioMeneses> &endmeeting\n<ubuntu-co-bot> SergioMeneses: Error: \"endmeeting\" is not a valid command.\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC, quien sabe q le paso\n<BartOC> se daño por no usar\n<BartOC> xD\n<BartOC> #startmeeting Reunion\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC, a lo mejor... ash pero ya mañana lo reviso\n<SergioMeneses> no no\n<SergioMeneses> el no funciona con # sino con &\n<SergioMeneses> ping ubuntu-co-bot \n<SergioMeneses> ubuntu-co-bot, ping\n<ubuntu-co-bot> pong\n<BartOC> aa es lo q cambia..\n<BartOC> don JianSystyle\n<SergioMeneses> JianSyStyle, ?\n<BartOC> JianSyStyle --> Miembro de CaribeMesh quiere ingresar a la comunidad\n<SergioMeneses> #ping\n<SergioMeneses> &ping\n<ubuntu-co-bot> pong\n<SergioMeneses> #startmeeting reunion\n<ubuntu-co-bot> Meeting started Thu Mar 7 02:23:51 2013 UTC. The chair is SergioMeneses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.\n<ubuntu-co-bot> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired\n<SergioMeneses> #chairs SergioMeneses \n<SergioMeneses> #chair SergioMeneses BartOC \n<ubuntu-co-bot> Current chairs: BartOC SergioMeneses\n<SergioMeneses> #topic test\n<SergioMeneses> #meetingtopic test\n<SergioMeneses> #vote test\n<ubuntu-co-bot> Please vote on: test\n<ubuntu-co-bot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)\n<SergioMeneses> -1\n<ubuntu-co-bot> -1 received from SergioMeneses\n<SergioMeneses> #endvote\n<ubuntu-co-bot> Voting ended on: test\n<ubuntu-co-bot> Votes for:0 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0\n<ubuntu-co-bot> Motion denied\n<BartOC> +1\n<SergioMeneses> #endmeeting\n<ubuntu-co-bot> Meeting ended Thu Mar 7 02:25:45 2013 UTC. \n<ubuntu-co-bot> Minutes: http://people.ubuntu.com/~sergiomeneses/ubuntu-co-meeting/ubuntu-co/ubuntu-co.2013-2013-03-07-02.23.moin.txt\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC, hay quedo ya fino\n<BartOC> SergioMeneses q rapido..xD\n<BartOC> don SergioMeneses hablamos voy a salir a comer..\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC, nos vemos\n<BartOC> si q cumple 1 año con mio novia y estoy pegado aca..xD jeje\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC, lol\n<SergioMeneses> la ley de las piernas cerradas le van a aplicar\n<BartOC> ya me regaño..xd\n<BartOC> -.- lo dejo antes q apliquen\n<BartOC> xD\n<JianSyStyle> Hola todos\n<JianSyStyle> Bendiciones\n<JianSyStyle> holaaaa!\n<JianSyStyle> Quien me podria ayudar con el codigo de conducta de Linux\n<JianSyStyle> tengo un problema que no me deja registrarlo en mi Launchpad\n<JianSyStyle> me sale este Error\n<JianSyStyle> (7, 58, u'No data')\n<JianSyStyle> Nadie quien me ayude?\n<JianSyStyle> Otros miembros del equipo podrán ayudarle a través de la lista de correo, el foro o el chat IRC. Ãsta es una etapa importante para indicar que usted ha leÃdo y entendido los principios generales que orientan la comunidad Ubuntu. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/NuevosMiembros)\n#ubuntu-co 2013-03-09\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC3, \\o\n<SergioMeneses> al fin movio la reunion?\n<BartOC3> je Don SergioMeneses o/\n<BartOC3> jeje ando modo traducion.. q estoy atrasado..:S\n<BartOC3> jeje\n<SergioMeneses> BartOC3, ++\n<k-milogars> como ordenas con less\n#ubuntu-co 2014-03-03\n<SergioMeneses> Juankof, kuadrosx nadi3d_ miren http://ubuconla.org/\n<kuadrosx> click\n<kuadrosx> deberia comprar ticketes :P\n<nadi3d_> que es eso men \n<nadi3d_> men fuck off :D \n<nadi3d_> no me pagan no aguanta\n<SergioMeneses> lol\n<nadi3d_> tonces hay que comprar los ticketes y gastar hotel y no dan nada ;D\n<SergioMeneses> les estoy compartiendo informacion nada mas.... que divas!\n<kuadrosx> SergioMeneses: temas?\n<kuadrosx> SergioMeneses: el logo de colombia deberia ser como el de ar\n<nadi3d_> no hay plata men men muy lejos\n<SergioMeneses> kuadrosx, si pero el de nosotros es diferente\n#ubuntu-co 2014-03-05\n<ofprieto> hola todos buenas tardes\n#ubuntu-co 2014-03-06\n<IngForigua> SergioMeneses: no mas monontela y lo voy pateando\n#ubuntu-co 2014-03-08\n<leopardo31> hola\n<leopardo31> donde puedo comprar productos de linux ubuntu en barranquilla colombia\n<leopardo31> ????????\n#ubuntu-co 2015-03-07\n<srlaskar> Hola\n<ddi4z> bien graciosa esa gente que saluda y a los minutos sale\n#ubuntu-co 2018-03-05\n<el3ctron> hola!!\n<el3ctron> alguien por acá?\n"},"meta":{"kind":"string","value":"{\n \"pile_set_name\": \"Ubuntu IRC\"\n}"}}},{"rowIdx":16,"cells":{"text":{"kind":"string","value":"#ubuntu-phone 2012-01-06\n<maxolasersquad> Anyone else seen https://code.google.com/p/monav/\n<maxolasersquad> It may be a good solution to have GPS navigation on the phone.\n<Guest11875> nice find! we definitely need to have maps and navigationâ¦\n#ubuntu-phone 2013-01-02\n<h00k> oho look.\n<seiflotfy> hey guys\n<seiflotfy> mhall119: around?\n<mhall119> seiflotfy: I am\n<seiflotfy> quick question, is zeitgeist being used in ubuntu phone?\n<seiflotfy> if yes are you guys using the qml bindings we created\n<mhall119> seiflotfy: no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me since it's used in Unity\n<popey> you probably want to use #ubuntu-discuss\n<mhall119> I don't know about QML bindings\n<seiflotfy> mhall119: we have qml bindings since over a year now\n<seiflotfy> mhall119: http://wm161.net/2011/10/28/libqzeitgeist-0-8-0/\n<mhall119> seiflotfy: cool, I'll pass that along\n<seiflotfy> :d\n<boulabiar> Does the phone use wayland ?\n<RzR> hi\n<RzR> are there ubuntu4android devels around ?\n<RzR> pop corns :)\n<tola> Does anyone know what will be the default browser for Ubuntu for Phones? Will it be Webkit or Gecko based?\n<WanderingEnder> ok, so. The last thing I heard about this was awhile back. This is not the full stack, not some chrooted... thing.\n<mhall119> tola: I don't know if that's been decided yet\n<Aiki> mhall119: I know qt is just a toolkit, but recently canonical has been cutting slices on the base ISO, so i thought it would be smart to switch all the focus to Qt.\n<RzR> WanderingEnder, yes I played w/ chroot too\n<FabianS> Most likely webkit.\n<mhall119> Aiki: even with a focus on Qt, there are a lot of Gnome components in Ubuntu that aren't going away anytime soon\n<WanderingEnder> I have a RAZR, original version (Droid, obviouzly), I'm wondering if I could put this on it.\n<RzR> but I was wondering if there are public stuff to test out ?\n<WanderingEnder> When ther eare reference builds available.\n<tola> mhall119: What about the app runtime? Jono seems to think that will be Webkit, does anyone know otherwise?\n<Muphrid> what will be the language for the SDK? QML?\n<user82> when will the images be available for testing..does anyone know?\n<mhall119> tola: for HTML5 apps?\n<Aiki> mhall119: IC Pitty... :( Thanks though!\n<tola> mhall119: yes\n<RzR> cordova ?\n<mhall119> tola: again, I don't know, but Webkit wouldn't surprise me\n<mhall119> Muphrid: QML is going to be the recommended one\n<mhall119> but AFAIK it'll be open to others\n<Muphrid> mhall119: alright, thanks\n<tvoss> mhall119, ping\n<tola> mhall119: It would be a shame to miss out on all the new APIs being added to Gecko http://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI\n<mhall119> tvoss: pong\n<tola> mhall119: But maybe that's an incentive to add an implementation of those APIs to Webkit...\n<mhall119> tola: any API worth developing for should be as cross-platform as possible\n<tola> mhall119: Like the new Ubuntu application environment you mean?\n<tola> mhall119: (I agree, I'm just being sarcastic)\n<WanderingEnder> Also, honest question.\n<WanderingEnder> How badly are US carriers going to be able to gut Ubuntu.\n<mhall119> WanderingEnder: that's a business thing, I don't think anyone here can answer that\n<mhall119> ideally they wouldn't want to change it at all\n<WanderingEnder> Yeah, but look at Verizon.\n<WanderingEnder> Also, the overview page says you'll need an Atom or Quad Core A9 for desktop convergence.\n<mhall119> WanderingEnder: as a Verizon customer, I know exactly what you mean :)\n<WanderingEnder> I thought we were able to get away with dual core 1GHz for that.\n<tola> btw, the reason I was asking about the web app runtime is that I've worked on some web apps that would be cool to port to Ubuntu for phones. They use the new Web APIs in Gecko, and one of them is a browser app (hence my other question) https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia\n<mhall119> WanderingEnder: that I don't know about, I remember the UfA requirements originally said dual-core ARM\n<Chelsea> So, after doing reading for the last hour straight on this subject, just to be clear on this whole matter, there is no product (just software and ecosystem). Just like the Ubuntu-TV, right?\n<mhall119> Chelsea: correct, this isn't something you can go get right now\n<WanderingEnder> This is just high level for OEMs and operators. http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/operators-and-oems\n<mhall119> for Canonical, the softwre is the product, but there is no hardware\n<WanderingEnder> (Both to my statement of Quad Core and to 'where do I get this thing?')\n<tola> Where's the source code btw?\n<Chelsea> mhall119, I really don't think a big \"announcement\" is the way to go if they're just looking for oems. This was old news allready. Some ppl's expectations where higher.\n<mhall119> tola: the components and toolkit are here: https://launchpad.net/~ui-toolkit/+archive/ppa\n<mhall119> instructiosn for instaling them are on http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/\n<WanderingEnder> I'm not really seeing anything new, actually, than the old announcement that just looked like \"Motorola WebKit Native.\"\n<gotwig> hey there\n<WanderingEnder> Except that the requirements for desktop have doubled.\n<Muphrid> rewriting my other question in the other channel: If I make an ubuntu customization (say a derivative) on the phone and make an image of it, is it possible to boot this new image on another phone? this is basically asking if the bootloader is locked\n<gotwig> what about scopes and lenses for ubuntu for phones? I dont see a point about that here http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/\n<mhall119> gotwig: there shouldn't be anything different for lenses/scopes on the phone interface\n<gotwig> mhall119, but how does the stuff show up :X\n<mhall119> gotwig: same way it does on the desktop\n<gotwig> mhall119, what is with the right click?\n<WanderingEnder> Muphrid, that's between you, your device manufacturer, and your carrier.\n<mhall119> gotwig: I don't know how previews will work, if that's what you mean\n<gotwig> mhall119, yeah ^^\n<WanderingEnder> I own a Verizon phone with a locked boot carrier, by Motorola. I expect hell to freeze over before Verizon acknoledges US law requiring interoperability.\n<tola> mhall119: Is that just for developing QML apps?\n<mhall119> gotwig: see the image at the top of http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/01/02/announcing-ubuntu-for-phones/ ? Those are lenses on the phone\n<mhall119> tola: \"that\" being what?\n * RzR http://rzr.online.fr/q/ubuntu# is #UbuntuPhone open ? I plan to adapt it for !N950Club which already support !Ubuntu #Chroot (watch video)\n<Muphrid> WanderingEnder: right, so it will be like android, the manufacturer decides\n<FabianS> Buing phones in the USA seems like a huge pain to me.\n<mhall119> FabianS: it is\n<WanderingEnder> Muphrid, its a cell phone. The carrier will always decide, and the manufacturer will obey.\n<FabianS> With several non-compatible networks and stuff like that.\n<FabianS> At least all the other countries agreed on one standard.\n<WanderingEnder> Canonical understands that, look at the OEMs and Carriers page.\n<Muphrid> true\n<Muphrid> heh\n<tola> mhall119: Sorry, the \"components and toolkit\" you can download, do they only enable QML-based apps to be run?\n<WanderingEnder> Noting how you can develop your carrier specific bloatware easily.\n<mhall119> FabianS: except S. Korea, I think, who also uses CDMA\n<gotwig> hide for the launcher on the phone.. something i miss on my desktop\n<mhall119> tola: yes, those are the QML components\n<FabianS> mhall119: Do they have only CDMA or both CDMA and GSM?\n<mhall119> FabianS: probably both, like the USA\n<mhall119> you know, just to make it more difficult\n<Muphrid> WanderingEnder: Can you link the page?\n<WanderingEnder> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/operators-and-oems\n<Muphrid> thanks\n<FabianS> Here the only real stupid thing is the choice of LTE frequencies.\n<FabianS> But that's mainly apple's fault.\n<WanderingEnder> Carrier Exclusivity and Custom Capabilities.\n<FabianS> All other phone companies managed to put LTE chips in their phones that support more than two frequencies.\n<WanderingEnder> I mean, basically, in the US, if you don't play ball with the carriers, the manufacturers will not use your OS, cause they carriers won't carry that phone.\n<WanderingEnder> So, Canonical will guess how high when Verizon says jump.\n<mhall119> WanderingEnder: more likely there will be an OEM between\n<WanderingEnder> I guess I'm wondering how badly carriers and OEMs will rip this apart.\n<jaduncan> WanderingEnder: see Android.\n<FabianS> But they hardly touched iOS and WP.\n<mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ is up and running again\n<tvoss> mhall119, \\o/\n<sivang> hi all\n<mhall119> hi sivang\n<sivang> hey mhall119\n<sivang> is this the channel that helped produce this: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/operators-and-oems ?\n<mhall119> sivang: this is a public discussion channel for the phone project\n<sivang> mhall119: excellent\n<mhall119> sivang: do you have questions about that page?\n<sivang> mhall119: first of all, I think that's the best attempt at biting at the apple (but I may be a bit biased being ubuntu universe develoepr for quite some time and uploader to main through sponsorship in ancient times)\n<mhall119> I'm a bit biased myself, so that's okay :)\n<sivang> mhall119: I would be anxious to try this phone, not sure I could afford it money wise, but would be dying to try it.\n<sivang> mhall119: I was with the community team pre-mataro, if that tells you something..\n<sivang> mhall119: and used to email with the sabdfl occasionally ;)\n<ubuntubhoy> sivang: images will be released for the Galaxy nexus soon\n<sivang> amazing\n<ubuntubhoy> not the most expensive handset anymore\n<mhall119> ^^ that\n<Walther> So, nice work on the Ubuntu phone, when will it be available for download?\n * sivang wonders who around here still recalls Mataro besides kdub \n<mhall119> though I can forsee a run on those phones on ebay and craigslist once those images are out :)\n<k1l_> so there will be an image for the nexus4, too? or do the devs still wait for google to deliver their device? :)\n<mhall119> Walther: I don't have a solid time frame on those images yet\n<mhall119> k1l_: I've only heard that there will be images for the galaxy nexus\n<sivang> mhall119: what's the way to contribute and get noticed for Ubuntu phone?\n * mhall119 doesn't recall Mataro\n<k1l_> mhall119: ok\n<Walther> Also, how much of it will be open source / closed source?\n<sivang> mhall119: 2004, after Warty Warthog\n<mhall119> sivang: currently we have the UI toolkit available for people to get started making/porting apps\n<Walther> Will it be possible to contribute in near-official or truly official ports to other \"open\" devices, namely, Nokia N9 and the like?\n<mhall119> Walther: as much as possible will be open source\n<sivang> mhall119: ah, so it is not an open source project...\n<sivang> mhall119: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MataroConference\n<mhall119> sivang: the images are not available yet\n<ubuntubhoy> sivang: can't be fully open sourced - vendors and OEM's need an amount of control over devices\n<ubuntubhoy> or they won't buy into it\n<mhall119> but from what jono and rick spencer were saying on the OMG stream earlier, it should all be available under an open license\n<mhall119> with the probable exception of hardware drivers\n<sivang> ubuntubhoy: mer is open source and you can contribute there , and sailfish will be apparently, so I guess there's a way?\n<mhall119> though even most of that should, thanks to Google and Android, be open\n<mhall119> it will ultimately depend on the hardware used though\n<FabianS> Sailfish isn't FOSS.\n<FabianS> Only the core, not the UI.\n<ubuntubhoy> mhall119: even on Android OEM's like to lock down bootloaders\n<FabianS> The Swipe UI nokia made for Meego on the N9 is closed to.\n<sivang> FabianS: but to contribute that's all you care..\n<mhall119> ubuntubhoy: well bootloaders are an entirely different matter\n<mhall119> an OEM can lock a bootloader running 100% open software\n<ubuntubhoy> but they are still linked\n<sivang> mhall119: is it using lybhybris?\n<mhall119> ubuntubhoy: I mean that what the OEM does with the bootloader won't have any bearing on the openness of our software's development\n<mhall119> sivang: I don't know\n<sivang> *libhybris\n<ubuntubhoy> mhall119: I get that - it's just another factor to consider is all\n<sivang> so it is developed not in th eopen so far..\n<ubuntubhoy> well, nothing has been released yet\n<ubuntubhoy> so can't really say yet\n<mhall119> sivang: it was developed internally up until now\n<sivang> mhall119: I see, with voluteers as well?\n<Walther> Also, just an interested thought - will there be parts of Ubuntu Phone project merged to the Ubuntu Tablet project?\n<mhall119> sivang: what do yu mean?\n<Walther> The UI demo seemed much more sleek than the recent videos of Ubuntu Nexus 7 project\n<Walther> and the same UI ideas could perform well on the tablet as well\n<Walther> swipe, gestures, speech recognition HUD, etc\n<sivang> mhall119: well, before warty warthog released, there was a community team as well that was per-invited to join the fun before the release :)\n<ubuntubhoy> The N7 project is still only about getting the core OS working\n<ubuntubhoy> no UI stuff being done\n<mhall119> Walther: all form factors will eventually share the same foundation\n<ubuntubhoy> at least in public\n<sivang> mhall119: as you can see, I'm highly keen on community matters\n<mhall119> sivang: me too :)\n<sivang> mhall119: observer ;) http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.doc/70\n<sivang> mhall119: notice the dates..\n<mhall119> sivang: there was some non-canonical folks contributing via skunkworks\n<sivang> I'm in old timer, too old a even.\n<Walther> BTW, am I getting the right impression that mhall119 is a developer working for canonical? Any other actual employees stating ~\"official\" opinions here?\n<sivang> mhall119: ah it has a name today? what is skunkworks?\n<mhall119> Walther: former-developer, I'm on the community team now\n<mhall119> I wasn't involved in the development of the phone\n<sivang> lately, I'm feeling addicted to mobile os development\n<mhall119> sivang: skunkworks is a program to bring in community people to contribute to all kinds of internal projects prior to their official announcement\n<spjt> So has anyone finished a fart app yet\n<mhall119> sivang: http://mhall119.com/2012/11/welcome-to-the-skunk-works/\n<Walther> And yeah, repeating my previous (important) question - will it be possible to contribute to official and/or non-official ports to other devices, or preferably, not ports but actual \"device support\"?\n<mhall119> spjt: not yet, it's yours for the taking\n<sivang> mhall119: just read it, so mark named it after 10 years :)\n<Walther> It would be awesome to be able to flash my N9 with Ubuntu, and have it run the same exact OS build that a nexus 4 with Ubuntu would\n<mhall119> sivang: perhaps it was a re-initialization\n<Walther> (separate ports are always a headache, no proper updates etc)\n<ubuntubhoy> mhall119: quick question, when the GNex UOS images become available will they be announcing it or will they just 'be there' without a fanfare ?\n<spjt> I'm getting 404 errors when installing the QML toolkit preview (second command)\n<mhall119> ubuntubhoy: I'm sure it'll be announced and picked up by all the usual media\n<ubuntubhoy> K\n<ubuntubhoy> was just wondering after the N7 image went live prior to its announced release time\n<spjt> Is there an emulator image?\n<mhall119> spjt: emulator for phone hardware?\n<spjt> mhall119: I'd think it would use the Android emulator.\n<Walther> Are there *any* images available yet?\n<mhall119> Walther: not yet, only the app development components\n<Walther> that's what i thought.\n<spjt> Has anyone else gotten the QML toolkit installed?\n<pmcgowan> spjt: we can do that, use the android emulator, will keep you posted, we have played with that a bit\n<ubuntubhoy> The Android emulator works pretty well now\n<FabianS> It's really slow though.\n<ubuntubhoy> no where near as bad as it was\n<spjt> There must be some way to emulate it, otherwise there'd be no way to know if anything works at all\n<mhall119> spjt: it'll probably run on the desktop, but yes it does make it hard to test certain things\n<spjt> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ui-toolkit/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found\n<spjt> mhall119: I mean the actual phone OS itself, not the apps\n<rsalveti> it's not hard to emulate it, specially as have qemu working nicely with the android sdk\n<mhall119> spjt: /w 51\n<mhall119> blah, ignore that\n<spjt> Ot\n<spjt> I only want the emulator to play around with it, so it's not too big of a deal..\n<pmcgowan> mhall119: I dont think the source packages have been published, but the ui is qml anyway\n<pmcgowan> the toolkit I mean\n<spjt> I'm more interested in finding out why I can't install the toolkit.\n<popey> spjt: I just tried here, and it works okay\n<Gaggo> hooray\n<mhall119> spjt: what error are you getting?\n<leonardo> omg\n<spjt> I don't get any errors with add-apt-repository ppa:ui-toolkit/ppa. apt-get update gives me W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ui-toolkit/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found\n<mhall119> spjt: ah, packages are only there for Quantal atm\n<sivang> there's an issue signing to the wiki\n<spjt> mhall119: ok then...\n<sivang> I'm using my lp creds\n<ubuntubhoy> installing fine here\n<Mercury> mhall119: Is the base X, wayland, or something else entirely?\n * sivang feels the SSO is surprised to see me back\n<mhall119> Mercury: I'm not entirely sure\n<mhall119> sivang: you can't expect to be gone for so long and have it just immediately welcome you back into it's life\n<sivang> mhall119: LOLs\n<mhall119> bring flowers or something\n<sivang> granted\n<sivang> mhall119: I'm getting too old\n<FabianS> Some german news site says that Ubuntu phone uses Android drivers.\n<FabianS> Any confirmation on this?\n<popey> our own site says that\n<sivang> FabianS: this is mentioned on the releas web pages\n<popey> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone\n<mhall119> The nexus 7 images do too\n<FabianS> Wonder how they do that.\n<popey> \"Ubuntu runs well on entry-level smartphones â yet it uses the same drivers as Android\"\n<k1l_> FabianS: in the video mark mentions that it will work with android kernels and android drivers\n<mhall119> IIRC, the drivers have been submitted to the upstream kernel already, but haven't landed in it yet\n<sivang> FabianS: read carefully :) hence why I was asking if it was using libhybris https://github.com/stskeeps/libhybris\n<Mercury> FabianS: Ubuntu is compatable with a typical Android Board Support Package (BSP).\n<sivang> FabianS: but having applied to work for Linaro, I know that the linaro.org project did that natively.\n<sivang> FabianS: gathering vendors from all overs, literally\n<sivang> FabianS: and creating a cool common core to run ubuntu on and devices\n<sivang> :)\n<sivang> mhall119: I have some control over the material, mind you ;)\n<HumanBeing> I asked this before, but I didn't get an answer: What's about the developement of Ubuntu for Android? Is it dead?\n<popey> HumanBeing: no\n<Mercury> FabianS: I read that as 'we can run natively an an Android kernel', possibly with the extra library pieces normally used for the camera, cell radio, etc.\n<sivang> mhall119: flowers not needed, but a kiss on the chick could help ;)\n<HumanBeing> popey Great, thanks\n<popey> Êâ¿à² \n<mhall119> HumanBeing: Ubuntu for Android was pretty much stock Ubuntu with some custom Android work, IIRC\n<sivang> popey: you I remember from ancient times\n<mhall119> sivang: you calling popey ancient?\n<ubuntubhoy> you saying he's not ?\n<mhall119> mind you, I'm happy whenever I talk to someone who makes me feel younger, rather than older\n<sivang> mhall119: haha\n<sivang> mhall119: he's been with Ubuntu for a *while*\n<mhall119> I know\n<sivang> 'wiki says no'\n * sivang retries\n<sivang> mhall119: it uses debs right?\n<mhall119> sivang: ubuntu?\n<HumanBeing> and I've got another question... are there any news about the NexPhone (www.nexcrea.com). In my eyes this would be a perfect piece of hardware for the Ubuntu for phones\n<mhall119> HumanBeing: I stopped paying attention when they didn't guarantee any work was actually going to be done for the money\n<spjt> I want the ubuntu phone on the Galaxy Note II. I love the pen.\n<sivang> mhall119: thje phone version ;)\n<mhall119> sivang: I don't think it's that far along yet, but debs would be the obvious way for it to go\n<sivang> finally got a hello from wiki!\n<popey> sivang: I'm not _that_ old!\n<sivang> mhall119: hmm, I mean, what's the pkging system there?\n<sivang> popey: :)\n<popey> well, maybe I am.\n<sivang> popey: do you recall me?\n<mhall119> sivang: I assume it has apt/dpkg on the phone image\n<HumanBeing> mhall119 oh, ok I always wondered why they haven't got a donate-button on their webpage, which would be necessary if they really have the aim to produce the phone. strange...\n<sivang> mhall119: okay, thanks.\n<Mercury> mhall119: I'd be incrediable disappointed if they _didn't_ keep the full packaging system.\n<mhall119> HumanBeing: they did a kickstarter or one of those crowd-sourcing things\n<FabianS> That NexPhone looks an awful lot like bloatware.\n<FabianS> With no real hardware or software visible and really ugly renders.\n<HumanBeing> mhall119 I know ;) but they haven't got a single link to this on their site\n<mhall119> HumanBeing: I don't think they reached their goal\n<HumanBeing> FabianS You're right, but I was interested in this, because they promised that the phone would run Ubuntu\n<HumanBeing> thx for your information :)\n<FabianS> Er. I shouldn't write two things at once.\n<FabianS> *vaporware\n<FabianS> not bloatware\n * sivang wonders if sladen still with Canonical\n<mhall119> if anybody has questions that don't get answered here, please post them to AskUbuntu using the 'mobile' tag: http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/mobile\n* popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-phone to: Discussion for all things regarding Ubuntu in smartphone form factor | http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone | This channel is logged to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | If nobody is here use http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/mobile\n<HumanBeing> A question I found on engadget.com: \"If i play fruit ninja or similar game, how this menu sistem going to behave (no phaysical buttons if i understand)??\"\n<popey> HumanBeing: there's a difference between swiping on the screen and swiping in from the edge. We need to be clever about telling the difference.\n<FabianS> Worked fine on Nokias N9 and N950.\n<HumanBeing> FabianS: How could you approve that? o.O\n<FabianS> Approve what?\n<HumanBeing> that it ran on the N9 and N950\n<FabianS> ER.\n<FabianS> Nokia invented those swipe gestures Ubuntu Phone uses.\n<FabianS> And they worked fine on N9 and N950.\n<FabianS> https://twitter.com/gregkh/status/286592231731785729\n<bobweaver> where is the code ?\n<popey> not available yet\n<FabianS> s/yet//g\n<FabianS> probably\n<popey> now now\n<bobweaver> popey, what is framework ?\n<HumanBeing> FabianS: I see. I'm still not sure, wheather it'll be practical...\n<bobweaver> I hear that mark was talking about qml\n<popey> bobweaver: see http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/\n<FabianS> HumanBeing: I love the N9's UI. I'm sure the UI will be the least problem with Buntu Phone.\n<FabianS> Performance looks like more of an issue.\n<bobweaver> I want to add the form-factor to tv and tablet on my desktop\n<bobweaver> OMG it is OML !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\n<bobweaver> s|oml|qml\n<bobweaver> Why am I not working on this ?\n<popey> âº\n<bobweaver> popey, I dont need to learn qml I am a expert in it. But I need to know something that I can import\n<bobweaver> like import unityphone 1.0\n<bobweaver> and it it uses qconf ?\n<bobweaver> if it *\n<bobweaver> so I can export things like this ......... pasteing\n<HumanBeing> I don't understand why they used QT instead of gtk\n<bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1490045/\n<bobweaver> because qt is awesome and can use gtk\n<bobweaver> popey, in that paste I am calling com.canonical.unity-greeter so that in any qml file I can do say\n<bobweaver> lightDmConfiguration.background == \"/usr/share/backgrounds/wahtever.png\" that will change the glib\n<bobweaver> popey, so You see before I write any apps for Phone I would like to see backend (QT) stuff to see what options there are to play with\n<bobweaver> like why import qconf and all that jazz if bckend of phone has it already ?\n<popey> bobweaver: i may be the wrong person to ask these types of questions\n<bobweaver> popey, maybe you can ppoint out the right person ?\n<popey> mhall119 might, but he's just gone off the clock\n<bobweaver> dang ..... :)\n * bobweaver thinks that this is one of the best moves that Canonival has ever made. Qml is the future I have been ranting about that for like 1.5 years \n<sivang> bobweaver++\n<popey> \\o/ we got bobweaver on a happy day :D\n<bobweaver> lol\n<sivang> bobweaver: me for a bit over 2 years\n<sivang> ;)\n<sivang> but I'm biased from the Qt project side :-p\n<bobweaver> sivang, you are also qml dev ?\n<bobweaver> sivang, maybe you have seen some of the work that I have done ?\n<sivang> bobweaver: not sure, perhaps\n<sivang> bobweaver: been doing mostly closed stuff unfortunaltey, and private stuff\n<bobweaver> sivang, I will make a video of what I am working on right now\n<bobweaver> kinda cool\n<sivang> bobweaver: sure thing, should be good to see\n<ubuntubhoy> Be careful - he will ask you to come look at his puppies next.\n * lpotter knows people that have been ranting about qml for 5 years\n<bobweaver> ubuntubhoy, lets see your qml code :)\n<bobweaver> I am going to make it so that the dash is render types are vars for easing.type : Easing.Whatever\n<sivang> lpotter: but you you, with Jolla no? :)\n * sivang grins\n<lpotter> i do have a current contract with jolla.\n<sivang> lpotter: twitter said something, a while ago :)\n<lpotter> but also a maintainer in qt-project\n<bobweaver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8BCLEAH-oc\n<FabianS> I really really hope that jolla will get their hands on some decent hardware.\n<FabianS> But they probably can't compete with nokia in that regard.\n<FabianS> N9/Lumia800 and 920 are the best made smartphones I have ever seen.\n<bobweaver> jolla is cool is that what the phone is based off of ?\n<FabianS> ?\n<FabianS> Jolla is the successor of Meego and most of the company are former Nokia guys.\n<lpotter> jolla's sailfish is mer/nemo which is based on meego\n<FabianS> Well, Sailfish is the successor.\n<FabianS> Jolla is the company\n<ubuntubhoy> bobweaver: I would show you, but you could hurt yourself by laughing too much\n<ubuntubhoy> sadly I am no dev\n<ubuntubhoy> just a little old end user\n<bobweaver> that is cool ubuntubhoy want to see my puppys ?\n<FabianS> lpotter: Are there any informations about who is going to build jolla's hardware?\n<ubuntubhoy> bobweaver: sure, but I better get a shag out of this\n<bobweaver> lol\n<lpotter> FabianS: nothing yet\n<bobweaver> does any one have any clue at all when the phone code will be released ?\n<FabianS> :/\n<FabianS> I would get a N9 if it was <200â¬\n<FabianS> But with such old hardware it isn't worth ~280â¬.\n<ubuntubhoy> bobweaver: everywhere just says 'soon'\n<ubuntubhoy> they were quick with the N7 code though\n<ubuntubhoy> and depending how you look at it, before or after CES is logical\n<ubuntubhoy> before to peek interest\n<ubuntubhoy> after to talk to vendors/OEM's first\n<bobweaver> They should give me access if they want some bad code to be wrote j/k I am a good qml dev\n<user82> but android apps in ubuntu phone are not planned?\n<popey> user82: unlikely\n<ubuntubhoy> the question is how hard to port ?\n<bobweaver> not that hard with things like qt-exporter\n<popey> no, i think the question is \"can I run android apps directly on ubuntu phone\"\n<ubuntubhoy> BB have made fantastic tools for porting android apps to BB10\n<ubuntubhoy> popey: I mean the follow up after your answer\n<ubuntubhoy> not the original question\n<bobweaver> that is the cool thing about qml it is super super easy to work with and there are fast things like xmllistModel that are faster then webapps I would say\n<bobweaver> There are some bugs that I still can not get around like QWebView crashes because of stupid gtk\n<bobweaver> like in my tv menu that querys my backend tv server\n<bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/241468 << everything works great till flash comes into play. and yes I have pluginsEnabled but crash's saying that gtk 2 and gtk 3 can not be used together\n<bobweaver> webkit is gtk3 and some stuff in unity 2d is still gtk2 like panel. hence crash's\n<bobweaver> but I can watch big buck bunny and other things that are webm :/\n<bobweaver> If you or anyone would like to play with or use stuff that I have made there is a ppa for 12.04 But one should only try virtual I would say\n<bobweaver> https://launchpad.net/~u2t/+archive/bleedingedge\n<sivang> bobweaver: XmlListModel a true workhorse in 5 I htink it supports JSON\n<bobweaver> sivang, that is awesome . Got to love Models\n<bobweaver> sivang, that is my new years resolution is to port unity 2d to qt5\n<bobweaver> have to re-write all the backend stuff though as no qx11info in qt5\n<sivang> I see.\n<bobweaver> yeah there is all the Window and WindowInfo plugin stuff that is heavy on the qx11info stuff\n<k1l_> since the hardware requirements for the high end ubuntu phone mention a quadcore phone. the dev phone for the entry phne is the galaxy nexus, is the nexus 4 the high end phone (besides its not matching the sdcart/emmc space)\n<bobweaver> I am just happy that canonical is doing something with qt-quick I was real real real sad when things went all 3d\n<ubuntubhoy> k1l_: The N4 is a high end phone, the GNex, not so much.\n<jrtappers> What makes a phone not a tablet, cause they need different UI's but there is grey area\n<k1l_> ubuntubhoy: i know, i got one here :) i just wanted to know if the n4 is a devphone for the high-class version. since its powerfull and delivers all drivers etc.\n<ubuntubhoy> They have only said they will be releasing GNex images soon iirc\n<ubuntubhoy> gues that's what they are dev'ing on\n<k1l_> or if its a motorola one, which got that webtop stuff included, which was used for the ubuntu4android on the atrix\n<ubuntubhoy> jrtappers: hard one, the N7 (defo a tablet) has a phone UI\n<jrtappers> What if the user decides? Thats what windows 8 should have done\n<jrtappers> Let the user decide, give options, don't tke them\n<ubuntubhoy> well for what its worth I run a custom ROM on my N7 so that I can have tablet UI\n<ubuntubhoy> but I think the N10 also uses the phone UI\n<ubuntubhoy> think the tablet UI has been done away with\n<ubuntubhoy> so, UI does not define the device\n<bobweaver> jrtappers, I would say that it is all about interfaces and buttons\n<reindeernix> I hope that the phone version won't use Compiz >_>\n<bobweaver> +1million\n<popey> It uses.. Beryl!\n<popey> ;)\n<sivang> night all, this announcement was a day maker\n<bobweaver> Easing.whatever is awesome\n<reindeernix> LOL\n<bobweaver> popey, dont scare people like that\n<sivang> bobweaver: hat's how you take almost close to stock QML lines and make a new app for yourslef: https://github.com/sivang/myrss\n<sivang> anyway, bad time in UTC+2 world\n<sivang> night!\n<jrtappers> bobweaver, I think thats a good answer\n<bobweaver> jrtappers, think about people do use mouses with tablets and also need differebt drag points for MouseArea\n<bobweaver> OnClicked :if (unity2dConfigueration.formFactor === tv) do this else if (unity2dConfiueration.formFactor === tablet) do this\n<jrtappers> Mice should not be over integrated for risk of becoming necessary\n<bobweaver> jrtappers, MouseArea{} elenent is no just for Mouses\n<jrtappers> No i meant in software design\n<bobweaver> Oh +1\n<jrtappers> If mice become necessary then tablets become a lot less small\n<bobweaver> jrtappers, there is a good example of why one would want to have different things in AbstractButton.qml in Unity 2d\n<ubuntubhoy> A mouse should only be an option for a tablet\n<bobweaver> esp drag axis and what not for like the dash and the launcher\n<bobweaver> ubuntubhoy, correct but if a person plugs one in it def should work\n<ubuntubhoy> yes\n<ubuntubhoy> defo\n<jrtappers> Unity would be god on tablets, but terminal may be slow\n<bobweaver> that is the thing alot of the best Qml devs are poor and can not afford things that are needed for testing\n<jrtappers> *good\n<jrtappers> What about some kind of Aspect Ratio Simulator?\n<ubuntubhoy> jrtappers: Unity menu is decent, but window management is shit\n<bobweaver> ubuntubhoy, blame bamf\n<ubuntubhoy> The N7 build should have maximus by default\n<ubuntubhoy> like the old netbook remix used to\n<ubuntubhoy> plus linux treats touch like a mouse\n<ubuntubhoy> too precise\n<jrtappers> Multitouch could lead to opptunities\n<jrtappers> Like workplace switcher with pinches\n<ubuntubhoy> yeah\n<ubuntubhoy> still very early days\n<bobweaver> libutouch is awesome but always needs more work I would say\n<bobweaver> for tablet and what not I just have different launcher's loading\n<bobweaver> like for tablet it is like mac ipad because I am a horrible designer lol\n<bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1490169/ << easy stuff to do if you know the vars/functions/whatever that Unity has\n<bobweaver> Of course one can add tests to glib shemea files and then set options\n<bobweaver> rectangle {id: button ;width: parent.width / 4 ; height: parent.width / 4}MouseArea{anchors{fill: button}onClicked: launcher2dConfigueration.launcherStyle === tablet\n<jrtappers> Ubuntu phone should be able to sync over wifi without cloud\n<reindeernix> jrtappers: Isn't that what you call cloud? >_>\n<reindeernix> jrtappers: Or do you mean like sending a settings file over wifi or something?\n<jrtappers> No, as in over wifi, not over internet\n<jrtappers> For people who have VERY slow internet\n<jrtappers> ubuntu phone needs personal hotspot\n<FabianS> Yeah. Tethering is a must.\n#ubuntu-phone 2013-01-03\n<mhall119> another nice video for people who havne't seen it: http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/ubuntu-for-smartphones/\n<IdleOne> it does look very impresive\n<IdleOne> impressive*\n<IdleOne> I want one.\n<benkaiser> anyone know if we will be able to flash Ubuntu phone os though clockworkmod recovery just like cyanogenmod? and will there be a place to download builds for individual phones (once again like cyanogenmod)?\n<benkaiser> anyone know if we will be able to flash Ubuntu phone os though clockworkmod recovery just like cyanogenmod? and will there be a place to download builds for individual phones (once again like cyanogenmod)?\n<Tak> are there any docs yet on developing native apps for ubuntu phone?\n<popey> hi Tak\n<popey> http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ is the entry point\n<Tak> yeah, but all I see is qml\n<popey> yeah, we're working on beefing up the docs, anything in particular you're looking for?\n<Tak> more of a c-style bootstrap guide\n<Tak> or rather, I hope you're not going to make the same mistake that ios and android both made initially by trying to prevent app developers from writing real native apps?\n<popey> (and WebOS) âº\n<popey> Tak: I'd poke mhall119 when he wakes shortly.\n<Tak> cool, no urgency\n<Tak> I just want to get hacking :-)\n<popey> âº\n<popey> I'd certainly love to see everyones favorite 3D game engine ported over ;)\n<Tak> pff, didn't you see ski safari in the keynote? ;-P\n<popey> heh\n<benkaiser_> popey, do you know if their will be more than just the galaxy nexus images released? like say would the note / note 2, s3 and gnex4 be getting it?\n<popey> I'd wait and see, I don't expect there to be a load of images. we have enough to do to get one image done\n * Tak look sadly at nexus4\n<Tak> otoh, how difficult will it be to create community images?\n<popey> we've moved from one dev/reference phone to another at least once or twice\n<popey> yeah, I wonder if once one image is out, whether people will do the same as happened with xda developers and start hacking other images\n<AlanBell> so a nexus 4 is a different thing to the nexus?\n<popey> yes\n<popey> galaxy nexus != nexus 4\n<AlanBell> and a nexus 3 is just the BBC being confused?\n<popey> one is a samsung product, one is LG\n<popey> yes\n<benkaiser_> I don't care if its just one other phone.... I just want it to be a very high spec'd phone (such as the note 2, s3, nexus4) so that I could buy one of them and install it on it... because the galaxy nexus is only dual core, and I would really like a quad core phone running the ubuntu phone os\n<AlanBell> google are making a lot of confusion branding different manufacturer products as the same product name\n<jrtappers> Nexus = pure android\n<jrtappers> the first phone of every android version\n<AlanBell> yeah, I understand they are the good ones\n<benkaiser_> yeh, no crappy carrier or OEM roms (like touchwiz *shudders*)\n<k1l> popey: can you name the dev-phones involved before?\n<k1l> and i would bet on xda guys making some more images available. they ported ubuntu to several other smartphones and tablets so far\n<benkaiser_> k1l: was the Transformer 1 or Note 1 among these?\n<k1l> benkaiser_: that werent official ports and the hardest part is to get the drivers. i dont know which devices all got working native ubuntu (desktop mode) ports. but i know about the hp touchpad, since i had ubuntu running there :)\n<benkaiser_> hmmmm.... ubuntu on my tf101 would be amazing.... would make it have a use again.... thanks k1l\n<k1l> benkaiser_: take a look into the device section on xda. maybe someone gives it a try. but be aware that on most devices the biggest problem are the drivers\n<benkaiser_> k1l: found one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1852702\n<LudwigVonMises> I am excited.\n<LudwigVonMises> First thing we need is a good flashlight app!\n<LudwigVonMises> anyways, is ubuntu phone running on a java stack, or is it more native?\n<popey> native\n<jrtappers> We need a good dialer\n<LudwigVonMises> Yes! hell yes to native!\n<LudwigVonMises> I hate java with every bone in my body\n<k1l> will they use the regular software center?\n<benkaiser_> k1l: I think that was in one of the discussions I read, they said they havn't got up to that yet, but it should just be one place for everything... so they will just change the software centre (from my understanding)\n<LudwigVonMises> I wonder if google docs will work nicely with ubuntu phone... and ubuntu one...\n<LudwigVonMises> open office*\n<LudwigVonMises> thats what I meant\n<Tak> I guess ubuntu one is a must-work\n<LudwigVonMises> yah\n<benkaiser_> LudwikVonMises: I wonder the same thing.... but Ubuntu doesn't have a native Google Drive client (you have to use Insync)... so I wouldn't keep my hopes up...\n<LudwigVonMises> that is for sure\n<LudwigVonMises> benkaiser_: That was a typo\n<LudwigVonMises> benkaiser_: I recall open office saying that they were working on online docs\n<LudwigVonMises> libreoffice*\n<Walther> mind you, open != libr- yeah, that\n<LudwigVonMises> if I could get that synced in ubuntu one\n<LudwigVonMises> then that would be neat\n<Walther> I would still prefer the thin-client idea of a phone-computer\n<Walther> no need to sync, all important data on same device\n<Walther> more security\n<LudwigVonMises> Walther: right, so everything is on your phone\n<Walther> of course, it would still be a nice bit better if it were possible to connect it to extra hardware while still booting/using the same os :P\n<LudwigVonMises> and you bring it to a computer, and it syncs?\n<Walther> LudwigVonMises: No, the computer *is* the phone\n<LudwigVonMises> lol!\n<Walther> just dock it to a monitor,kb,mouse\n<Walther> that's the idea Ubuntu Phone has on its high-end model\n<LudwigVonMises> oh yah, that too\n<LudwigVonMises> oh my, so much to do\n<k1l> ubuntu offers alot of services that google has too. so ubuntu music and ubuntu1 fit good into ubuntu-phone, imho, but google offers alot of features and ubuntu has to try hard for not everyone demanding the google services\n<Walther> there are other competitors as well\n<LudwigVonMises> no\n<LudwigVonMises> apple died with jobs\n<LudwigVonMises> they are like sony now\n<Walther> in my opinion, the most important thing for Ubuntu phone's success is not the availability of Google services or Ubuntu services, but the *diversity* of available services, and compatibility with as many of 'em as possible\n<LudwigVonMises> and microsoft does not have the youth and developer support or fandom\n<Walther> It's not only Google and Apple. There's Netflix, Amazon, Spotify ...\n<Walther> etc\n<LudwigVonMises> Walther: the linux approach to flexibility?\n<Walther> That.\n<LudwigVonMises> Frankly I liked the fact that ubuntu didnt have many games\n<Walther> \"do what you want 'cause a linuxist is free, and ubuntu is a linux\", lol\n<LudwigVonMises> i really hate being distracted, and I am allot more productive on linux as a result\n<Walther> LudwigVonMises: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.fi/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html\n<benkaiser_> k1l: The one thing keeping me tied to Google Drive is what I primarily use it for, Google Docs... which has amazing features through the collaboration side of it...\n<LudwigVonMises> benkaiser_: Im using google spreadsheets as a database :P\n<benkaiser_> Walther: I have to agree.. on android having those core accounts that make all my apps login automatically (all the google ones at least) is perfect. And ubuntu 12.10 is right on the way there with the online accounts settings\n<LudwigVonMises> if ubuntu could get a cloud database, that would be a killer app\n<Walther> benkaiser_: yeah, and especially in the tech-savvy userbase, there are people like me who have not went to only one company's bandwagon\n<benkaiser_> LudwigVonMises: Why? you can't integrate it with a webpage (can you?)\n<Walther> as in, use only services and products of one company\n<Walther> (google docs, drive, mail, etc)\n<Walther> I use ubuntu one for cloud, multiple mails, google calendar, spotify for music, etc\n<benkaiser_> LOL, I think I was in Google's bandwagon (I want to work there one day), but this Ubuntu Phone looks AMAZING!\n<Walther> Anyway, I would be very eager to start developing apps for the Ubuntu phone, and even more so to help make the ubuntu phone OS support more devices, namely, Nokia N9\n<LudwigVonMises> benkaiser_: What do you mean, webpage? a database?\n<benkaiser_> Normally whenever I make a database its either to be used for a website, or to do complex queries on the data... I guess your use must be much different\n<Walther> Databases are simple. Uses of 'em usually aren't.\n<Walther> you can easily sudo apt-get install mysql or anythin other, nothing special about \"cloud databases\" and whatnot\n<benkaiser_> Walther: I am keen too... Love to steal some of those 1,000,000-10,000,000 download android apps that other developers havn't touched yet....\n<Walther> benkaiser_: doesn't sound too original <_<\n * Walther would prefer making something actually useful and new\n<LudwigVonMises> benkaiser_: I have a irc bot I am developing. Its plugins directory is synced on google drive. The bot keeps a quote database on a google spreadsheet.\n<benkaiser_> Walther: does it have to be? the point is building the eco system to have the basics of other ones....\n<LudwigVonMises> it is thus easily viewable by anyone who wants to go through the database, which will eventually become enormous\n<Walther> benkaiser_: that too, but if I'm not mistaken, it might be possible to run android apps on ubuntu as well\n<benkaiser_> LudwikVonMises: Sounds pretty good :)\n<LudwigVonMises> and of course it works on my channel and the community I will be devoloping\n<Walther> I mean, the Android VM (dalvik) should be port-able\n<benkaiser_> Walther, it would be even slower than html5 apps then wouldn't it?\n<LudwigVonMises> benkaiser_: Thanks. I just learned to program two days ago, and it seems a whole new world has opened up :P. reminds me of that xkcd comic\n<LudwigVonMises> a weekend screwing around in perl will give you a career, where as hours studying english won't\n<benkaiser_> LudwigVonMises: Which language? and which comic? (I wrote a python script to download all the xkcd comics to date into a folder)\n<benkaiser_> Oh yes, that one is gold :)\n<LudwigVonMises> Because I am a vagabond, I'd like to be able to develope in public libraries, where I can add to my quote db\n<Walther> benkaiser_: possible\n<LudwigVonMises> LudwigVonMises: Python, supybot. I forget which comic.\n<LudwigVonMises> err, benkaiser_\n<LudwigVonMises> o_O\n<benkaiser_> found it http://xkcd.com/519/\n<Walther> well, there's no point in making IRC bots when there's already Bucket, billygoat and flyingferret at #xkcd, but that's offtopic\n<Walther> Anyway, any official news on the availability of the images?\n<LudwigVonMises> My goal is to move away from Google, though they are not horrid, I just dislike their search, especially recently. Im a pretty conservative guy, and I didnt appreciate the other day when I did a google search, and it displayed a ad banner stating \"You deserve an orgy today!\" with some cartoon lady on the front. My search wasnt even remotely related to that.\n<LudwigVonMises> I'd love an integrated suite on the other hand made up of ubuntu, ubuntu one, online editting software, duckduckgo, and an opensource type of social network\n<benkaiser_> LudwigVonMises: What is your search history like o.0 ? I do like 40+ searches every day and I love Google search, what do you use as an alternative?\n<LudwigVonMises> benkaiser_: at that time, I was searching around for homeless blogs. Duckduckgo when I can, though its not perfect\n<Walther> eh, offtopic to -offtopic tyvm\n<LudwigVonMises> but you notice everyday that it gets better,\n<LudwigVonMises> like, allot better.\n<Walther> a lot*\n<LudwigVonMises> Thank you. Bad habit.\n<nrosvall> Hi\n<nrosvall> it might be too early to ask, but will ubuntu-sdk support other languages than c++/qt/qml?\n<nrosvall> I'm fine with c++ though so not a big deal for me personally\n<nrosvall> it's also nice that we will finally have a phone OS where c++ is first class citizen\n<niqt_> hi\n<niqt_> will usable in future the phone sdk on other linux distro?\n<sledges> any news on licencing/openness ?\n<sledges> hello :))\n<niqt_> sledges, all silent\n<LudwigVonMises> nrosvall: maybe python :)\n<LudwigVonMises> I dunno, just stating what I would want\n<nrosvall> I would love to have python too :)\n<LudwigVonMises> java, not so much.\n<nrosvall> Vala would be nice\n<benkaiser_> Agreed on python...\n<nrosvall> but I think it's just about qt now, so python might be. not sure if there is a proper support for qt5\n<nrosvall> pyside or pyqt does not have much work done for it yet\n<LudwigVonMises> nrosvall: is qt nice to develope in?\n<nrosvall> it is for c++ at least\n<LudwigVonMises> is it a higher or lower level language than python?\n<nrosvall> c++?\n<nrosvall> lower\n<LudwigVonMises> qt\n<jo-erlend> much lower and a completely different syntax.\n<nrosvall> actually very low level\n<LudwigVonMises> qt is lower level?\n<nrosvall> qt is a framework\n<nrosvall> available for python and c++\n<nrosvall> and java(?)\n<LudwigVonMises> okay, I wasnt sure\n<LudwigVonMises> thats what I thought.\n<jo-erlend> will I _have to_ use qt and qml, or is that if I _choose_ to use the new API?\n<nrosvall> jo-erlend, not sure\n<niqt_> LudwigVonMises you can write your Qt code also only qml and javascript\n<benkaiser_> so a qml file... defining the interface... is the logic for that written in C++ atm?\n<nrosvall> I think you will be able to use just qt\n<nrosvall> but not sure\n<niqt_> logic also in javascript\n<nrosvall> you can do the logic in c++ if you want\n<nrosvall> thats for sure\n<benkaiser_> Javascript sounds easier (I have a LOT more experience in JS than C++)\n<jo-erlend> I really hope they'll enable support for other tools. I much prefer Vala, which pretty much implies GTK+.\n<sledges> why don't you just go and try qt for yourselves? http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/\n<nrosvall> anyway I need to start installing Ubuntu on this machine now. I'm starting to develop my first commercial application for Linux\n<jo-erlend> nice :)\n<nrosvall> I did spend 10 years writing software for windows and now I had enough. Windows 8 is just so bad. and their internal process with all the developer account shit is just horrible\n<nrosvall> their customer support sucks\n<nrosvall> and to be honest windows UI is ugly and horrible to use(in my opinion)\n<xnox> it's all qt5\n<nrosvall> I have done some linux development for couple of years, but nothing which is publicly available\n<nrosvall> anyway, no more Windows dev for me.\n<sledges> yes, qt5's very slick\n<benkaiser_> judging by the mobile tutorial, the qml looks very similar to Javascripts functions and JSON data\n<sledges> qml supports javascript (to its extent)\n<sledges> and style sheets are written in (surprise surprise) css!\n<benkaiser_> so does that mean a lot of javascript code (not editing the DOM and whatnot) will port to qml quite easily? is the css only for the HTML5 apps? or even the native ones?\n<sledges> css is to define a QML UI style\n<vibhav> Sorry to disturb you guys, but will ubuntu-phone be open source?\n * vibhav is late to the party\n<sledges> i changed one of its property on my Nokia N9 MeeGo Qt phone, and homescreen started to rotate to landscape - hacky simples\n<sledges> vibhav, no news yet (was my first question upon entering this chan :))\n<sledges> yes, javascript (the logic code) should be ported with ease, benkaiser_\n<vibhav> Hopefully, it will be\n<benkaiser_> okay, so do they have special properties custom to QML? and cheers sledges\n<sledges> yes, the properties are for QML, but they tried not to deviate from HTML namings too much\n<sledges> I'd look forward contributing to a facebook or maps app of it went opensource, but then ubuntu will make profit from loads of product placement (sadly dislike 12.12 where searching for terminal amongs apps brings up suggestions to buy xbox console :( )\n<benkaiser_> sledges: is the id in the QML for the stylesheet?\n<sledges> can't tell, i'm excited yet to learn the whole stuff\n<sledges> but could guess id serves the same things as for getElementById\n<benkaiser_> Same :D and yep\n<sledges> Stskeeps, gossiping from #ubuntu-phone: 12:49 < sledges> any news on licencing/openness ? 12:50 < niqt_> sledges, all silent\n<sledges> everyone's keen on freedom :)\n<user82> ring ding ding bananphone...uhm ubuntuphone i meant\n<k1l> user82: :)\n<user82> soon k1l, soon! hopefully\n<user82> samsung galaxy nexus images are still tbd right?\n<popey> nothing available as yet.\n<user82> ok..\n<user82> thought about buying one anyway..but i guess i can as well wait then\n<k1l> im really thinking to buy my GF a gnex :) and maybe sometimes i need to test something on it :)\n<k1l> afaik the ubuntu-for-android based on a technic that motorola developed and used for their webtop stuff. does that ubuntu-for android and that new ubuntu-for-ubuntu work on other mobile devices?\n<Pip> So where to buy a U phone?\n<icesword> u phone?\n<Pip> Ubuntu phone\n<icesword> are you sure it's on sale?\n<Pip> No\n<icesword> then you can try it maybe on your own phone at your own risk\n<mhall119> Tak: popey: My understand is that native apps will be allowed, and are in fact recommended\n<Tak> \"native\" not meaning \"qml\" , correct?\n<mhall119> QML is the toolkit of choice because it's simple, runs well on mobile, and we've put a lot of work into making it work on devices of different sizes and resolutions without the developer having to change their layout code\n<mhall119> Tak: QML is not native?\n<Tak> no?\n<mhall119> I consider it native\n<mhall119> at any rate, C/C++ apps will be allowed, is my understanding\n<user82> does anyone have a original photo from a google nexus 4 camera with 8mpx?\n<Tak> yes, why?\n<mhall119> why will they be allowed?\n<h00k> Pip: sorry ;) here it is.\n<Tak> sorry, that was in response to user82's question\n<mhall119> oh, ok\n<user82> Tak, a non personal one you can send me? for having a look at how good it is 1:1 size\n<Pip> QML is from Nokia, right?\n<yfi> Pip: no\n<Tak> mhall119: do you have any info about setting up a dev environment for c apps?\n<xnox> Pip: well, now digia\n<mhall119> Tak: no, I think that's up to you what you use\n<yfi> Pip: it's part of Qt, which is governed by the Qt Project. digia (and formerly nokia) have special rights when it comes to commercial licensing\n<vibhav> mhall119: Are there any minimum specifications for Ubuntu Phone\n<mhall119> vibhav: hardware specs?\n<vibhav> mhall119: yep\n<yfi> and they do the lion share of the work, to be fair\n<mhall119> vibhav: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/operators-and-oems\n<Pip> I wish Ubuntu phone is better than Android phone\n<mhall119> I don't think those are \"minimum\" so much as they are general targets\n<h00k> Tak: basically if you have build-essentials installed, you can use any environment/IDE you'd like to write C/C++ stuffs\n<Tak> I guess an \"official\" toolchain/scratchbox/something setup would be much appreciated\n<Tak> h00k: ok, how about building and deploying?\n<icesword> what's good about ubuntu phone\n<vibhav> mhall119: Any plans for a UDS session for Ubuntu Phone? I will be very eager to participate in one\n<mhall119> Tak: the \"official\" setup is QtCreator and Qt/QML\n<h00k> Tak: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/, but I haven't really checked at what's said here yet\n<mhall119> vibhav: I'm sure there will be, we haven't started with blueprints for the next UDS yet\n<Tak> ok, how does one write an opengl app with qml? ;-)\n<user82> Tak, do you have a suitable photo or none right now?\n<mhall119> Tak: packaging and deploying will work like any other app\n<mhall119> Tak: http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/\n<Tak> sure\n<mhall119> Tak: I'm sure you can mix Qt/QML and OpenGL\n<mhall119> maybe not Qt/QML with C, but with C++ you can\n<Tak> the piece I'm missing is the build toolchain for whatever arm variant(s) ubuntu phone will support\n<vibhav> mhall119: Can I write apps operating from a terminal?\n<gac> user82: https://secure.flickr.com/photos/ubergizmo/sets/72157631911479790/\n<user82> thank you gac :)\n<yfi> Tak: you can cross-compile gcc for arm rather easily, the more tricky part is to get a full sysroot up and running. a while ago codesourcery had a reasonable offering, I don't know what the situation is nowadays\n<Tak> yes, that's essentially my question\n<Tak> apparently I'm very poor at asking it\n<Tak> maemo used to have instructions for setting up a scratchbox with all the appropriate packages\n<mhall119> Tak: yes, gcc is what will be used, as far as I know\n<mhall119> vibhav: as long as somebody writes a nice terminal app for you to run it in\n<Tak> gac: more interesting than my cat ;-)\n<vibhav> mhall119: Any idea if the app store will use dpkg internally?\n<mhall119> vibhav: it does now\n * vibhav cheers\n<benkaiser> will there be a terminal app ;) or will we have to go get it from the software centre?\n<mhall119> benkaiser: it's too early to say\n<benkaiser> fair enough :)\n<robin-gloster1> mhall119: will the whole stack be open source? or will there be closed source parts?\n<Tak> I guess at least some drivers will be closed\n<mhall119> possibly some drivers, yeah, but otherwise it should all be open\n<robin-gloster1> mhall119: thanks\n<mhall119> our parts anyway\n<mhall119> 3rd party developers and OEMs will be free to make closed-source apps\n<robin-gloster1> mhall119: sure, that's something different\n<AlanBell> is ubuntu phone using a linaro kernel?\n<mhall119> AlanBell: I don't think Linaro targets the SoC in the Galaxy Nexus\n<mhall119> but then again, I'm not sure what SoC it has\n<AlanBell> so does this have Linaro involvement?\n<mhall119> AlanBell: I don't know, you should ask akgraner\n<rsalveti> we're mostly just using linaro compiler at this point\n<rsalveti> the kernel used for galaxy nexus is the same one as provided by aosp, so not much from linaro\n<AlanBell> ok\n<mhall119> thanks rsalveti\n<Lofde_> I am ready to alpha test ubuntu on my galaxy nexus ... as a developer :D if anyone has an image !\n<sivang> evening all\n<mhall119> Lofde_: images aren't available yet, sorry\n<Lofde_> is there a mailing list to sign up on when they are\n<sivang> hey mhall119\n<sivang> mhall119: got my email?\n<mhall119> sivang: I did, yes, thank you\n<sivang> sledges: you're here as well! were you part of the work before release?\n<sivang> oops\n<sivang> that was for:\n<sivang> sladen: ^^\n<sivang> mhall119: is there a list of apps somewhere (wiki) that ubuntu phone needs?\n<mhall119> sivang: we're getting it together now, should be announced soon along with a program for getting community involvement writing them\n<sivang> mhall119: through skunkworks?\n<mhall119> sivang: no, it will all be public\n<sivang> mhall119: ah, so no skunkworks anymore?\n<mhall119> it will be skunkworks-like in that it'll pair community members with canonical staff\n<sivang> mhall119: where's the sketch up for the list happening?\n<mhall119> sivang: skunkworks is on-going, and will cover more than just the phone\n<mhall119> sivang: I don't think there's a public list anywhere yet\n<sivang> mhall119: ah, perhaps good to have it online somewhere so c.members can add their ones? (this can help create the list in an instance due to crowd sourcing)\n<sivang> mhall119: can always merge with the internal list later\n<sivang> mhall119: (Exclude duplicates, remove irrelevant stuff, etc)\n<mhall119> sivang: the list we're working on will be what we need in a default install, community folks aren't limited to that list\n<sivang> mhall119: okay cool.\n<sivang> mhall119: so that'll be the 'main' UI part of the phone image ;)\n<mhall119> it'll be default apps like you'd get on a new Android phone\n<mhall119> mail, calendar, that kind of thing\n<sivang> mhall119: okay, when do we start? ;)\n<mhall119> sivang: as soon as we have it all together\n<sivang> mhall119: k, cool\n<sivang> mhall119: prolly good to send a call out for community help on that, somewhere on site or so.\n<sivang> anyway, laters\n<user82> mhall119, what do you personally think. how long till a nexus installer/rom?\n<AlanBell> I did a bit of FAQ and link collecting please edit, it is a wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone\n<user82> AlanBell, one more video: http://www.viddler.com/v/ac8413f3?secret=106830881\n<AlanBell> user82: go add it :)\n<user82> what the hell? did he really launch android apps in ubuntu phone??\n<user82> is this correct\n<user82> AlanBell, says to me \"protected site\". can you add it please?\n<popey> user82: it's a wiki, you need to sign in\n<popey> user82: he didn't launch any android apps there\n<user82> popey, were those the ubuntu phone apps?\n<AlanBell> user82: added it\n<user82> thansk AlanBell\n<user82> popey, singin did not work for me..hung up\n<popey> user82: they are native ubuntu apps\n<mhall119> user82: I don't have any idea on the timeframe, sorry\n<user82> ok mhall119 ..i thought so.\n<user82> so you thing he just said android but meant ubuntu apps popey ?\n<popey> user82: at what point did he say android?\n<popey> i just watched it and must have missed that\n<popey> anyway, they're not android apps, they're ubuntu native ones âº\n<user82> sorry popey i forgot the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyeFcldavTk#t=1m15s\n<user82> my bad\n<popey> Thats not Ubuntu for Phones, that's Ubuntu for Android.\n<popey> Not the same product âº\n<user82> oh ok\n<AlanBell> oh, I may have cocked up and up a U4A video on the page :)\n * AlanBell removes\n<user82> yep AlanBell..probably wrong product\n<sledges> fellows, how is hardware adaptation handled for ubuntu phone os? gpu/vpu drivers, 2D/3D hw accel, gstreamer hw accel plugins, ril for wifi, closed source binary blobs only for bionic ?\n<sledges> will each device that ubuntu os is ported to have its own PPA repo?\n<sledges> what are supported architectures (arm versions, mips), and hardfp/softfp aspects\n<popey> sledges: the core system is based around an android BSP\n<popey> so we can use android specific hardware drivers\n<popey> not running full android, but the drivers.\n<popey> i dont think we've look at the details of phone specific PPAs or package delivery in detail yet\n<thebishop> does ubuntu phone run the same kernel as the desktop? what modifications have been made to the base system to address battery life, ui responsiveness, multiuser, etc?\n<popey> thebishop: we've learned from the Ubuntu on Nexus 7, and many of those issues are being fixed and rolling through the desktop and will also end up in the phone.\n<thebishop> popey, interesting. i was talking to some devs in #ubuntu-nexus7, and they said the UI isn't going to be in the n7 image by default. is it possible to build from source and install right now?\n<popey> not yet\n<jo-erlend> popey, do you know if I'll _have to_ use c++ with qt in order to write native apps, or is that just a convenience and I'll still be able to write in gtk/vala?\n<mhall119> jo-erlend: that is going ot be our recommended way\n<mhall119> but you should be able to write it with any language and toolkit that will run on the hardware and software\n<jo-erlend> Right. Ok. Very good.\n<mhall119> jo-erlend: if you use a toolkit other than the QML provided, you're going to have to do a lot more work to make it work on multiple devices and formfactors\n<mhall119> which is why we're recommending QML and the Ubuntu QML components\n<jo-erlend> hmm. I don't like the sound of that at all.\n<mhall119> jo-erlend: it's just the nature of the toolkits, most aren't made to support multiple resolutions and form factors with a single codebase\n<mhall119> we've put a lot of work into making that work with our SDK\n<mhall119> so you can write your UI once and it'll work all over the place\n<mhall119> but you're not going to get that with Gtk (at least not yet, I hope they add it too)\n<robin-gloster1> mhall119: jono kind of just said that it's not possible at all to use sth other than HTML5, QML, OpenGL in his Q&A session\n<mhall119> so, again, you can use what you want, but we're going to recommend the easiest one\n<robin-gloster1> mhall119: maybe correct that statement in #ubuntu-on-air?\n<jo-erlend> how does this affect Python? If I remember correctly, it's only free for non-commercial use?\n<jo-erlend> I mean the qt-bindings.\n<jrtappers> will ubuntu phone have terminal?\n<mhall119> jo-erlend: I think it depends on the binding\n<mhall119> jrtappers: if somebody writes one, yes\n<mhall119> robin-gloster1: let me confrm before I make any corrections\n<robin-gloster1> mhall119: yup\n<yfi> will qml be the only choice to draw on screen with qt, or is there a way to use qwidgets?\n<thebishop> popey, is there any rough timeframe for repo access? not a date, but like weeks, months?\n<jrtappers> Who uses ubutu with a 3G modem?\n<thebishop> jrtappers, i have in the past\n<thebishop> jrtappers, always pleasantly surprised by the plug-and-playiness\n<thebishop> even with 4g wimax cards\n<jrtappers> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/30462/ Do you agree?\n<jrtappers> Plugged it in today .1 MB, think it was on Edge, couldn't check\n<jrtappers> 100kB/s\n<popey> thebishop: no\n<thebishop> :)\n<mhall119> yfi: robin-gloster1: for now only QML and HTML5 are being developed and supported, anything else is \"to be determined\"\n<robin-gloster1> mhall119: ok thanks :)\n<mhall119> np\n<yfi> also thanks.\n<jo-erlend> but if I have a Python/GTK application, then it will run without any work, except it might not look as nice as other apps do?\n<rsalveti> sladen: at the end the drivers will depend on the vendor, we can provide a way to re-use the drivers from android\n<rsalveti> but if the vendor wants to use following the standard at ubuntu/generic linux, they can\n<mhall119> jo-erlend: at this point there are no guarntees it'll work on the phone\n<bobweaver> so I am running into troubles with the way that the dpu is getting rendered in you all's elements\n<bobweaver> why use dpu when you can just use something like parent.width / 12\n<bobweaver> when you re-scale the interface nothing will fit because of it\n<bobweaver> my work around was to set font.Pixlsize: to something like parent.width / whatever\n<bobweaver> or the font does not resize its self thus causing maxed apps to have small titles and what not\n<jrtappers> Will ubuntu phone be USB OTG compatable?\n<bobweaver> I wonder where I should file bugs for stuff like that. and If i fix ?\n<bobweaver> jrtappers, what is OTG ?\n<bobweaver> out the gate ?\n<jrtappers> On The Go\n<jrtappers> The port can act as host\n<jrtappers> you can connect mice and flash drives etc to it\n<bobweaver> jrtappers, I would say (GUESSING HERE) that as long as the kerenl can see the usb's then yueah it should work\n<jrtappers> That could be useful\n<bobweaver> same with hdmi ect\n<jrtappers> Especially if it supports usb ethernet adapters, so routers and switches can be set up on an ubuntu phone\n<bobweaver> jrtappers, Does Ubuntu desktop support that ?\n<bobweaver> << is poor and can not afford hardware\n<jrtappers> I think ubuntu supports usb network adapters\n<bobweaver> So no one knows where to file bugs and patch's for the qml elements ?\n<jrtappers> ubuntu phone should have the turn over to mute feature from HTC\n<bobweaver> there is also things like AbstractButton that can not use things like if (mouse Qt.LeftButton) activateUriWithLens(lens, categoryId, uri, mimetype) else if (mouse.QtRightButton) activatePreviews()\n<bobweaver> I added acceptedButtons: Qt.LeftButton | Qt.RightButton to AbstractButton and also some state's and transitions also OnEntered and On Exit need to be added.\n<bobweaver> well I think that is not that they \"need to be added\" but IMHO would make more robust\n<jalcine> Is there any way I can run the Ubuntu Phone in a VM of sorts?\n<bobweaver> jalcine, there is no iso or even code base out yet BUT there is qml elements and also a notepad examp,e that you can play with\n<bobweaver> public that is ^^\n<bobweaver> but you can play with the qml elements that canonical made and also make apps\n<mhall119> jrtappers: re: OTA updates, it's too early to say for sure, but I don't see why it wouldn't\n<bobweaver> unless something has changed in the last 12 hours\n<mhall119> oh, wait, OTG? that I have no idea\n<bobweaver> mhall119, that is what I also said\n<bobweaver> on the go *\n<mhall119> jalcine: there is no way to run the phone software itself yet\n<jalcine> Interesting. And I'm guessing with U1 support, you could kind of leverage it as a cloud kind of thing, to make apps work everywhere.\n<bobweaver> I thought that it was Out the Gate .... silly bob\n<jrtappers> mhall119, that was USB OTG, not OTA updates\n<mhall119> jalcine: yes, your apps can sync data using U1 without having to provide your own syncing service\n<jrtappers> sorry for confusion\n<mhall119> jrtappers: yeah, I caught that only afterwards\n<popey> USB requires both hardware & software support, too early to say yet.\n<slangasek> though for comparison, the Ubuntu Nexus7 images support OTG just fine\n<bobweaver> popey, mhall119 you will be at CES ? I am wondering If I should spend all my money to go to vegas\n<popey> no\n<mhall119> no\n<mhall119> jono will though\n<mhall119> but it's expensive, I don't know why you'd want to pay your own way\n<bobweaver> I dont\n<mhall119> bobweaver: I'd just wait for the videos to hit youtube\n<mhall119> that's what I'll be doing\n<mhall119> that and parying because the boss is out of town :)\n<bobweaver> but if it get's me somewhere. This is super important to me. because of the tv thing and what not\n<mhall119> bobweaver: it's all business stuff\n<mhall119> well, business stuff and crazy business parties after\n<mhall119> from what I hear, anyway\n<bobweaver> If I am going to replace all my elements thta I have made with Ubuntu elements then that is cool. But I mostly want to learn about glib and how or if itt listens to dbus\n<mhall119> there be dragons\n<bobweaver> Oo\n<bobweaver> mhall119, you have to understand that I work on the tv code like 9 hours out of the day everyday . so that is why it is so important to me\n<bobweaver> so taking everything that I have already and porting it into the interface that is already there would be a good thing well... I think that it would be a good thing that is\n<bobweaver> << can not afford a high end phone\n<mhall119> heh, neither can I, I'm still sporting my Wife's old DroidX\n<bobweaver> :)\n<mhall119> with it's stupid encrypted bootloader\n<jrtappers> why? Why does a phone need an encrypted bootloader?\n<bobweaver> the last phone that I had I install Ubuntu on it (chroot)\n<mhall119> bobweaver: are you currently using the Qt Dbus library?\n<jrtappers> Its just to limit the users!\n<mhall119> jrtappers: pretty much\n<bobweaver> mhall119, parts of it yes\n<mhall119> ok\n<bobweaver> deelistmodel <<\n<bobweaver> that is something else and also bamf\n<mhall119> ah yes, bamf\n<bobweaver> lol\n<mhall119> BAMF!\n<mhall119> it's like the old Batman\n<bobweaver> 2 months ago I did not know what it was :( now I know too well what it is\n * mhall119 ages himself\n<bobweaver> mhall119, here I will paste all libs\n<bobweaver> mhall119, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1493186/\n<k1l_> jrtappers: encypted bootloader to save the user, you got that wrong :)\n<jrtappers> Save them from what?\n<k1l_> from ruining their devices, they said. i mean secureboot got some points in securing the OS. but its used to limit the users\n<bobweaver> mhall119, I forgot qt5_automoc and GTK_LDFLAGS DCONFQT_LIBRARIES\n<mhall119> bobweaver: what is that from?\n<bobweaver> Cmake files of my port of Unity 2d to qt5\n<mhall119> and it needs gtk and gdk stuff?\n<bobweaver> yeah for the pannel and all sorts of stuff :(\n<mhall119> oh right, I forgot the panel was still Gtk\n<bobweaver> mainly app/*\n<bobweaver> for panel ^^\n#ubuntu-phone 2013-01-04\n<jalcine> bobweaver: how big of an effort would be it to recreate the panel in Qt?\n<bobweaver> qml multimedia sensors and what not are not as advanced (networking) . But one could try to make a C++ plugin thingy. what I did with the Tv was not a great thing but it works\n<bobweaver> but that is with unity2d libs\n<bobweaver> like the plugin thing that is there at the moment in unity 2d is great but to replace with all qml front end would be fun but well.... that would be fun\n<bobweaver> effort lots\n<bobweaver> that is just one man's thoughts. There are many things that could get in the way\n<bobweaver> s|multimedia|mobile\n<jalcine> Hm.\n<jalcine> I really want to help with Ubuntu Phone.\n<jalcine> Still working on a SpeechDispatcher-esque system for speech recognition.\n<jalcine> Should help out with Unity when I'm done.\n<jalcine> https://github.com/jalcine/speechcontrol if you're curious\n<sledges> Friday moarning!\n<sledges> thanks for the answer popey\n * Tak doing Real Work on friday, feel dirty\n<sledges> well \"look busy..\" :)\n<jjardon__> Hi, does anyone know if ubuntu for phones will be libre software?\n<popey> jjardon__: the core OS is fully open source, just like the desktop\n<popey> there may be some enablement work on hardware which requires other licenses as set by the handset/SoC manufacturers though\n<jjardon__> popey: Thanks for the info. Is the UI libre software also?\n<popey> jjardon__: all canonical software is GPL\n<popey> so the UI will also be open source\n<mitya57> The source code for the UI toolkit can already be downloaded from ppa:ui-toolkit/ppa, though the packaging refers to a closed LP branch\n<mitya57> (License is LGPL-3.0)\n<jjardon__> popey, mitya57 great, thanks!\n<schasch> Hi, does anyone know which phone to buy to flash first ubuntu-mobile-firmware-images? the GT-I9250?\n<popey> schasch: you've probably seen the demos being given on the galaxy nexus, but we've not made any kind of final decisions, so I wouldn't buy a phone specifically for Ubuntu Phone testing right now. The first preview images may be some way off.\n<schasch> popey: :-( ...bad news... OK, I hoped those images for Galaxy Nexus could be released those days.\n<popey> patience âº\n<schasch> patience is hard...I am still working on n900-maemo and waiting for a real linux phone\n<jo-erlend> schasch, hey... That _is_ a real linux phone. My usb port died on that one and they replaced it with an n8. :(\n<schasch> jo-erlend: till now I am happy with n900, but the hardware/software is too old and to slow...\n<sledges> get an N9\n<sledges> ah sure, not certain how that will blend in with ubuntu-os being android based\n<sledges> a \"true linux phone\" then ? ;)\n<popey> sledges: its not android based\n<sledges> using android bsp that is\n<sledges> for drivers' part\n<popey> sure, just that boit\n<popey> *bit\n<popey> it's not \"android\" as google would describe it\n<popey> </pedant>\n<sledges> android kernel?\n<Tak> but android is a custom os on top of a linux kernel...\n<popey> exactly, so it's ubuntu on top of a linux kernel using android drivers for some of the hardware\n<sledges> but android drivers are compiled against bionic, ubuntu meanwhile will be (uc/g)libc (?)\n * popey shrugs\n<sledges> *userspace drivers that is\n<sledges> like GLES wrappers etc\n<Elleo> I don't know what the ubuntu-phone team are doing, but there is libhybris, which allows for the use of bionic based drivers in a glibc based system\n<sledges> too true, I wonder when ubuntu will disclosed what's under the bonnet\n<sledges> *disclose\n<Walther> Any news on the availability of images?\n<sledges> and the source code? :)\n<Walther> I'd love to get hacking on it and help porting it to N9\n<sledges> well, we got told \"patience\" ..\n<popey> we'll announce when images are (going to be) available\n<popey> you'll know âº\n<benfrancis> Is there any more information available yet about building HTML5 apps for Ubuntu Phone? Will there be any device APIs available to web apps? Sailfish looks like it will support HTML5 via Cordova Qt. Is this the approach Ubuntu phone will take, or will they run directly in a webkit runtime like Tizen?\n<Walther> Also, will the images be specific to devices, or will they follow the \"generic kernel\" way?\n<Walther> As in; will we have to make actual *ports* for different devices, or can the community help building support for other devices to a \"generic\" image\n<Walther> (because you know, ports suck and maintaining of separate ports sucks)\n<popey> Walther: we don't have any more info on that right now\n<benfrancis> I suspect there may be an issue with the distribution of device drivers. Most Android devices have proprietary drivers shipped with them (with no open source alternatives) which is what makes distributing images for those devices tricky from a legal point of view.\n<popey> benfrancis: no info yet on extending HTML5 or APIs\n<benfrancis> popey: OK, thanks. Where should I be listening for any news?\n<popey> benfrancis: \"the internet\" âº\n<popey> also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone\n * benfrancis turns on omnipotent mode and watches the whole Internet :P\n * ubuntubhoy thinks popey must be getting sick of answering UOS release questions\n<sledges> maybe writing a bot would be handy? :)\n<Walther> ehm, might be useful to stick that wiki link to the topic\n* popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-phone to: Discussion for all things regarding Ubuntu in smartphone form factor | http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone | This channel is logged to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | If nobody is here use http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/mobile | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone\n<popey> ubuntubhoy: not at all\n<schasch> watching mark's video lets me and community think there will be an image for the galaxy nexus 'next week' because it looks this \"ready\"-state\n<schasch> maybe there should be a date for \"source/image -release\" be written on http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone or http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone to stop this BIG release question...\n<schasch> something like : \"no dev/test images\" or sourcecode before sep 2013 for any phone\"\n<schasch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone or http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone....\n* popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-phone to: Discussion for all things regarding Ubuntu for Phones | This channel is logged to http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | If nobody is here use http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/mobile | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone | No images available yet.\n<popey> schasch: updated it\n<schasch> popey : thanks, but maybe something like : !!![ \"no dev/test images\" or sourcecode before 'SEP 2013' for any phone ]!!!\n<schasch> would be better...\n<Tak> where did you hear this 2013/9 date?\n<dpm> benfrancis, you can also ask questions on www.askubuntu.com/questions/ask?tags=mobile\n<schasch> Tak : I didn't heard it, but I read in the Internet \"images coming soon\" and that seems not to be true\n<schasch> someone from the ubuntu-team should tell us a NOT BEFORE ...[YEAR.MONTH], , at least for the sourcecode...\n<Tak> NOT BEFORE 2013/1\n<popey> the guys are working hard on the software right now, nothing will happen before CES next week. Once that's over we'll try and get an update.\n<popey> heh\n<schasch> popey : thanks...\n<user82> schasch, setp 13 or just a date you made up?\n<robin-gloster> user82: that date is made up\n<schasch> correct, fantasy\n<user82> puh..that would be after my birthday...without ubuntu images ready or my birthday i have to wait for christmas to buy a new phone :D\n * Tak caught in a landslide\n<schasch> :-)\n<user82> hoping for google nexus images anyway..not buying a phone less price effective for ubuntu os to be honest\n<schasch> if ubuntu would tell me 'FEB 2013' image/source for galaxy nexus/or other , I would buy one today\n<robin-gloster> user82: dev phone was a galaxy nexus, so probable that an image for that will be the first to be released\n<user82> robin-gloster, it was a samsung nexus..not to be confused with the lg device google nexus 4\n<user82> i got that wrong too first\n<robin-gloster> user82: \"galaxy nexus\"!\n<user82> ah ok yeah..that is what i meant.\n<user82> google phone has much better performance/price\n<schasch> robin-gloste : popey wrote they do not know yet wich phone\n<schasch> i would pay a bit more as long as I have ubuntu\n<user82> hopefully it gets ported to many phones...\n<robin-gloster> user82: galaxy nexus was a google phone, too, but the one released before nexus4\n<user82> \"ported\"0adopted\n<user82> did not know that yet robin-gloster ...\n<robin-gloster> user82: all nexus \"nexus one, nexus S, galaxy nexus and nexus4\" are \"google phones\"\n<user82> ah ok...well nexus 4 is the one i would prefer\n<robin-gloster> schasch: i only know that GNexus was the dev phone, so I said it's probable that an early image will be for it ;)\n<schasch> robin-gloster : thats what I thought/hoped too... , but see popey 's aswer to me...\n<schasch> maybe they show it next week at CES on a NEXUS4 ???\n<schasch> :-)\n<DrHalan> hey. i am wondering if anybody is working on porting gwibber to ubuntu for phones. would be cool to have microblogging integrated into the OS.\n<DrHalan> and the same for telepathy (Maemo was pretty cool in that matter)\n<ct529> I have motorola defy, will UP work on it?\n<ubuntubhoy> ct529: only GNex image being released at first\n<ubuntubhoy> but when source is out I am sure someone will port it\n<ct529> ubuntubhoy: :-(\n<ct529> ubuntubhoy: any timeline?\n<ubuntubhoy> ct529: nope\n<ubuntubhoy> but was stated on channel nothing till after CES at earliest\n<Tak> and also on the site\n<ubuntubhoy> and the MOTD\n<ct529> ubuntubhoy: MOTD\n<ct529> ubuntubhoy: ?\n<nrosvall_> Hi\n<nrosvall_> Any news if ubuntu phone os is going to support Python with PyQt or Pyside?\n<dmdrummond> nrosvall_: I haven't heard anything official, but I'm sure it will run Python.\n<robin-gloster> nrosvall_: mhall119 said that currently only HTML5/QML/OpenGL is supported. anything else has not been decided so far\n<dmdrummond> robin-gloster: What about native code?\n<mhall119> dmdrummond: QML is native\n<robin-gloster> dmdrummond: native == QML\n<dmdrummond> mhall119: robin-gloster: last time I looked it was a markup language with javascripty bits.\n<mhall119> it's as native as python in that regard\n<dmdrummond> mhall119: I would never call oython native tbh\n<mhall119> it gets to be a difference that makes no difference\n<dmdrummond> mhall119: Wow, and that gets to be a sentence that makes no sense\n<mhall119> sorry, maybe a cultural saying\n<dmdrummond> mhall119: Will we be able to back up the QML in native C++, as say is done in the Blackberry 10 platform?\n<mhall119> dmdrummond: I'm not 100% sure on that\n<mhall119> dmdrummond: it's still pretty early, and the goal is to make the QML and HTML5 SDK top-notch\n<dmdrummond> mhall119: For the dialler app, there must already be some platform abstractions going on. The docs I have seen so far do not mention much other than UI. Will there be a consistent interface for bluetooth/location/<other common phone feature> ?\n<mhall119> dmdrummond: bluetooth probably, since we have that on desktops/laptops already\n<mhall119> I don't know if there's a common way of getting gps/location information though\n<rsalveti> nrosvall_: I don't see why not supporting python with pyqt/pyside\n<rsalveti> if it's working properly with qt5, then it should be good\n<Silur> hi all\n<Silur> can anyone help me with some developing q-s\n<Silur> the site and the video only metions QML and HTML5\n<Silur> will i be able to run a hellp world std C++?\n<Silur> or will it contain a python shell?\n<Silur> the site says\n<Silur> \"Ubuntu phone's going to inherit Desktop ubuntu's security, workflow, Design and management\"\n<Silur> what about development?\n<Silur> ubuntu is not unix without development opportunities :D\n<Ryan45> What is Ubuntu's relationship with Nvidia. Being involved with the tablet porting community it always seemed to fall back on NVidia quickly abandoning support for thier platforms as soon as they brought something new out.\n<Ryan45> If I read the logs correct an image is coming out for Galaxy Nexus which is TI OMAP.\n<Ryan45> I would image this is going to limit UP's availability to OMAP devices, which is not the end of the world. In fact you might be on to something if you can create an Ubuntu Phone Market where vendors can sell unlocked phones.\n<Ryan45> Obviously, the rest of the world wouldn't care\n<Ryan45> but in the US it would be a huge hit for the nerds.\n#ubuntu-phone 2013-01-05\n<Transhumanist> hi =)\n<shanbuntu_> thanks :)\n<shanbuntu_> less action than #ubuntu\n<Transhumanist> yeah haha\n<Transhumanist> it's probably just lots of people idling and waiting for more info\n<Transhumanist> Canonical are keeping the details pretty close to their chest\n<shanbuntu_> i only have a Windows 7 machine at present, and all my mobiles are Android. Any ideas on how I can start developing Ubuntu apps? Haven't gone through the doco yet\n<shanbuntu_> oh and have VMWare image of Ubuntu, that might help\n<Transhumanist> well\n<Transhumanist> I haven't looked into it yet myself\n<Transhumanist> but as I understand it, any native Ubuntu app should run on the phone version. That's kind of one of the selling points.\n<Transhumanist> But I heard mention of QML\n<Transhumanist> so look up QML\n<Ryan45> Yeah, isnt the point of a universal platform that the apps are universal\n<Transhumanist> further, it would be a good idea to install Ubuntu inside a virtual machine like virtual box (or probably VMWare), yeah\n<Transhumanist> Ryan45: Ja.\n<Transhumanist> but universal apps aren't necessarily fast apps\n<Ryan45> yeah, i agree\n<Ryan45> I played around in the tablet porting world and I can tell you its going to be ugly\n<Ryan45> unless you know exactly what works and what doesnt\n<Transhumanist> Still, Ubuntu is just so much less locked-down than Android, this is going to be great\n<Ryan45> it's not the OS that's the problem\n<Ryan45> its the hardware in the mobile world\n<Transhumanist> in terms of power or compatibility?\n<Ryan45> unless, this is going to be exclusive for a certain number of handsets\n<Ryan45> interms of SOC makers don't like to release code\n<Transhumanist> Yeah, proprietary drivers\n<Ryan45> because by the time anyone is porting they already moved onto thier next best thing\n<Ryan45> we are on quadcore mobile now?\n<Ryan45> what was single core? 11 months ago?\n<Transhumanist> Canonical is working that out. That's not something app evelopers need worry about.\n<Transhumanist> my Note 2 is 1.6 GHz with 4 cores and 2 gig of RAM\n<Transhumanist> the phones of 2013 and 2014 will be way more powerful\n<Transhumanist> All Canonical needs to do is secure an OEM or ODM that is dedicated to doing an Ubuntu phone. Then, it doesn't matter about the other phones and ODMs. As long as Canonical pulls off one good phone.\n<Ryan45> The linux culture is to use the devices of last year\n<Ryan45> not the device of next year\n<jo-erlend> the best starting point for developing apps for Ubuntu is here: http://developer.ubuntu.com/\n<Ryan45> people love linux because you can throw it on an old machine and breath new life into it\n<Transhumanist> That's not really true of smartphones, though.\n<Ryan45> in 2014 how many old smart phones are you going to have laying around?\n<Ryan45> I will probably have 3\n<Transhumanist> I think there is a HUGE crowd of people that would buy a phone that, when docked, becomes a normal desktop OS\n<jo-erlend> yes, but has anyone mentioned that being included in Ubuntu Phone OS?\n<Ryan45> Yes, I am not denying that, but there is a bigger market of people sitting on 1 or 2 year old devices\n<Transhumanist> jo-erlend: yes\n<Ryan45> jo, yes, that was in the video\n<Transhumanist> that's the selling point, really\n<jo-erlend> when?\n<Transhumanist> Sigh. Don't make me go find it.\n<Ryan45> its in the faq too\n<jo-erlend> That has been mentioned with respects to Ubuntu for Android, but I haven't heard anything about it for Ubuntu Phone.\n<Transhumanist> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/operators-and-oems\n<Transhumanist> see the table\n<Transhumanist> high-end smartphones will have desktop convergence\n<Ryan45> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuPhone#Ubuntu_Phone_FAQ\n<Ryan45> Will desktop applications such as LibreOffice run on it?When the phone is docked to a screen you should be able to use the full desktop applications. When they are on the small screen they would need a QML display which might be part of the same application.\n<jo-erlend> nice.\n<Transhumanist> Definitely. In this context, Ubuntu for Android is more like Wubi: it's there for people who don't want to fully commit, but it's not the main goal\n<Transhumanist> Assuming they actually follow through on Ubuntu for Android\n<Transhumanist> I suspect this might have surplanted it\n<Ryan45> GNexus is OMAP, if they did this project for Mediatek devices like http://www.bluproducts.com/pro-detail/vivo43\n<Ryan45> then the chinese companies could come in and drop a bunch of devices\n<Transhumanist> Yeah I don't expect the big players to pull this off. It'll be a currently non-name Chinese company probably\n<Transhumanist> That's kind of the beauty of it: if Samsung, et al don't consider this worthy of their time, there are other players who are desperately trying to break into smartphones who will\n<Ryan45> With substandard displays and no patents\n<Ryan45> lol\n<jo-erlend> huh? Why wouldn't Samsung consider this worthy? They spend resources on Tizen.\n<Transhumanist> Samsung wants control\n<Transhumanist> They might not consider Ubuntu to give them that\n<jo-erlend> why do you say that?\n<Transhumanist> After all, they're trying to replace Android with Tizen\n<Transhumanist> for precisely that reason\n<jo-erlend> I seriously doubt that.\n<Ryan45> One undertstated potential is rapid localization.\n<Ryan45> If they go after the chinese companies making phones for africa\n<jo-erlend> but Samsung has no incentive not to sell phones with a variety of operating systems.\n<Ryan45> ubuntu phone could be localized with ease for any new market\n<Ryan45> Brazil, Mexico, India, Africa\n<jo-erlend> I'd very much like Huawei to get into it. They have some nice stuff up their sleeves and they really have something to prove.\n<Transhumanist> I suppose Ubuntu will be even more open source than Android, so regardless of Canonical's wishes, Samsung could fork it and have full control if they wished.\n<Transhumanist> I imagine ZTE will be interested as well\n<Transhumanist> And LG and HTC probably want to one-up Samsung\n<jo-erlend> \"even more\"... Well, Android is primarily Apache licensed. Whether that's more or less open than GPL, is a matter of perspective.\n<Ryan45> Nokia is going to be looking for a dancing partner as soon as Microsoft divorces them.\n<Transhumanist> There are proprietary parts of Android.\n<Ryan45> which wont be long.\n<Transhumanist> Microsoft will probably watch Nokia crash and burn and then purchase them. After all, the guy running Nokia now is a Microsoft plant.\n<Ryan45> nokia is probably nice tax write off :)\n<jo-erlend> I had a Nokia N900 which I really loved until the USB port was broken. I had guarantee, so I sent it in. They replaced it with an N8. I love the hardware, but the OS doesn't cut it. I wonder if Nokia would be \"allowed\" to offer both WP and UP. They would certainly be an attractive hardware manufacturer.\n<Transhumanist> My N900 is sitting next to my mouse at the moment.\n<Transhumanist> N900 was a wonderful phone. But Nokia never pushed it. They never marketted it.\n<jo-erlend> yes, for some strange reason.\n<Transhumanist> Nokia is a much more socially responsible company than Samsung or Apple, so it is sad to see them die.\n<jo-erlend> but they've made nice phones all along. Their problem has been the OS.\n<Ryan45> I still don't like the idea of trying to get a peice of the existing pie.\n<jo-erlend> why?\n<Ryan45> Need to sell to people who dont like pie :)\n<Transhumanist> I don't really think Canonical are trying to get a piece of the pie. I think they're trying to bake a better pie.\n<Ryan45> reinvent the wheel\n<Ryan45> lol\n<jo-erlend> in any case, computing is not a mature market by any means.\n<Ryan45> Firefox Phone, Ubuntu Phone, up soon, Angry Birds Phone\n<Transhumanist> Canonical are trying to elimninate device categories. Conflate laptops, tablets, desktops into a single device. Your smartphone is a phone normally, but dock it and it's a desktop. Or put it inside a laptopdock case and it's a laptop. Or a tablet dock case and it is a tablet.\n<Ryan45> you just do the sling back motion to launch apps\n<Transhumanist> So you grab your phone out of the dock in the monring, head to work, chuck it in the dock.\n<Ryan45> yeah, my dad asked me that yesterday, if any of these phones could just have a monitor hooked up\n<Transhumanist> Or head to the university computer lab and place it in one of the 40 docks provided, with monitors and mice and keyboards attached.\n<Transhumanist> My Note 2 already has a dock with HDMI, and UDB. But without a desktop OS I see no point in using a mouse and keyboard on it on a big screen\n<Transhumanist> *USB\n<jo-erlend> also, I think the biggest app craze will subside. People probably won't continue to buy fart-apps forever. I'd predict that people will want fewer, but higher quality apps. The number of available apps is not really all that important, I think.\n<Ryan45> I really wan't to make a scifi movie with a giant space ship and they come under attack and dude pulls out his smartphone and controls the whole thing.\n<Ryan45> no point in having some big battle center with all these buttons and screens\n<jo-erlend> that highly depends on what you're doing.\n<Ryan45> good ubuntu phone commercial :)\n<Ryan45> flips back and plays a word on scrabble\n<jo-erlend> I have a few pretty wild ideas for controlling the desktop, but I think maybe they're slightly too radical yet. :)\n<Transhumanist> So have either of you installed the QML toolkit yet?\n<jo-erlend> no, I'm a Vala/GTK kinda guy, so I haven't spent too much time using Qt in a long time.\n<Transhumanist> QML is QT, then?\n<jo-erlend> Qt Markup Language, I think?\n<Transhumanist> isn't it a bit odd to choose QT whne Unity is based off Gnome which is GTK?\n<Transhumanist> maybe QML was already mature\n<jo-erlend> markup/meta, wikipedia says.\n<jo-erlend> Unity is not based on Gnome really. It's based on Compiz.\n<jo-erlend> much of the Ubuntu desktop is still based on Gnome though. But the shell itself is not.\n<Transhumanist> I'm developing an Android app for spaced repetition of frequency dictionaries for various languages. So I may work on it concurrently in QML\n<Transhumanist> ok\n<jo-erlend> they're using some toolkit of their own; NUX. I don't know much about it.\n<Transhumanist> who's using NUX? Canonical for Compiz?\n<jo-erlend> Canonical.\n<jo-erlend> for Unity, that is.\n<Transhumanist> ok\n<jo-erlend> they've used Qt for other stuff. Unity 2D is written in Qt, for instance. I think U1 client is too.\n<jo-erlend> but to me, the most important work they've done, is to unify stuff. It's not too long ago that using Qt apps in Ubuntu felt really strange. And I really love the HTML stuff and the rest of the infrastructure.\n<Transhumanist> I like Unity. I don't understand all the fuss about it. It's not like they're preventing people from using Gnome or KDE.\n<jalcine> I'm going to feel a bit iffy about HTML applications.\n<Transhumanist> in what sense? security?\n<Transhumanist> You don't have to code in HTML5\n<jo-erlend> I think they're highly useful in some cases. It's nowhere near anything like a competitor to native apps though. That'll take another decade, I'll wager.\n<Transhumanist> Yeah.\n<jo-erlend> but I _really_ wish they could make Vala/GTK first class. I understand the reasoning though. I don't really like C++ all that much and C is probably not all that comfortable in combination with Qt, though I might be wrong about that.\n<Transhumanist> Yeah, I'm not a fan of C++\n<Transhumanist> I'm OK with C and Java. Just not C++. Odd.\n<jo-erlend> then you too would probably love Vala :)\n<Transhumanist> =(\n<Transhumanist> Qt is C++?\n<jo-erlend> jup.\n<Transhumanist> Aw.\n<jo-erlend> but I don't know much about Qt, so don't trust me on any of that stuff.\n<jo-erlend> but these are exciting times. If anything would make me want to jump into QML and change some habits, it's this.\n<Transhumanist> yeah. I think all the tech punditry proclaiming this concept dead on arrive because the smartphone market is too crowded are funny\n<Transhumanist> most of them probably don't even know what Linux is\n<Transhumanist> or about the huge culture associated with it and with FOSS and with Ubuntu\n<Ryan45> Trans\n<Ryan45> That is the counter point as well\n<Transhumanist> Not really\n<Ryan45> a bunch of people are going to have legacy devices\n<Transhumanist> the pundits are shortsighted for not understanding Linux\n<Ryan45> because the linux culture is legacy devices\n<Transhumanist> but ordinary people don't care about Linux\n<Transhumanist> they care about being able to have a powerful smartphone with a desktop OS (when docked)\n<Ryan45> Your point was Ubuntu has a big following including by extension\n<Ryan45> which i agree with\n<Transhumanist> The Linux culture isn't legacy devices. That's a linux subculture.\n<Ryan45> You are going to argue that OEM linux is successful?\n<Transhumanist> Are you talking about Android?\n<Ryan45> no\n<Transhumanist> Which other OEM Linux, then? MeeGo? Tizen?\n<Ryan45> I might have stated it wrong, i mean linux installed by manufacturers\n<Ryan45> yes, I had it write Origional Equipment Manufacturer installed Linux\n<Ryan45> write LOL\n<Ryan45> right\n<Transhumanist> Ubuntu for phones will be successfull from two different angles: drawing over a large number of existing Linux users, and drawing over a large number of non-Linux users who love the concept of a smartphone that turns into a desktop when docked. For most people Ubuntu 12.10 is not that different to Windows, especially on a phone.\n<jo-erlend> <Ryan45> You are going to argue that OEM linux is successful? <-- what does that have to do with Linux being a \"legacy culture\"?\n<Ryan45> my argument is that Linux is thought of as a solution to extending the life out of devices\n<Transhumanist> Only by SOME people.\n<Ryan45> or custom built\n<Transhumanist> I see Linux as the cutting-edge compared to Windows. I have modern machines. I don't install Linux to give life to old devices (much).\n<chriadam|away> some people think that anchovies are good pizzas too, but that doesn't mean that anchovy pizzas are all there is.\n<jo-erlend> it's a long time since I had any issues with off-the-shelf hardware.\n<chriadam|away> good *on pizzas.\n<Ryan45> You installed Linux on a windows device more then lieky\n<Ryan45> even if it was the most recent\n<jo-erlend> so?\n<Transhumanist> Not my desktop. And the computer I am about to buy is from System76\n<Transhumanist> it comes with Ubuntu, not Windows\n<Ryan45> If your buddy asks if his old laptop will run linux you say, yes and it will run great\n<Transhumanist> How does this relate to phones?\n<jo-erlend> I don't consider anything a \"windows device\", btw. I think that kind of thinking is nasty. I think about hardware and software.\n<Ryan45> ok, it was a summary\n<Ryan45> so my point is, the average linux fan is going to take his phone and say, wow ubuntu looks great\n<chriadam|away> I think he's just saying that a lot of current linux users who have current Android devices, might seriously think about flashing UbuntuPhone onto their current device, instead of throwing it away, the next time they can upgrade due to plan cycle. Sure.\n<Ryan45> and look for an image to install\n<jo-erlend> it is true that I've had to purchase licenses to Windows that I never intended to use, and that's nasty too, but that neither affects hardware nor my Ubuntu software. I just pretend there's no OS installed.\n<Transhumanist> chriadam|away: sure, and those who can't will happily buy an Ubuntu phone\n<Ryan45> Chriad: and the problem I see is that Ubuntu Phone is going to be available for a limited number of devices\n<jo-erlend> Ryan45, right. And there will be images to install, though the target hardware probably doesn't exist yet.\n<Transhumanist> Ryan45's logic is fallacious because he's implying that a) Ubuntu phones won't attract non-Linux users, and b) Linux users won't buy Ubuntu phones upon discovering that in many cases it can't be installed on their old device\n<Ryan45> Trans, i am not arguing either of those points\n<jo-erlend> Ryan45, if they use Android drivers, then you should be able to run it on most Android devices, no?\n<Transhumanist> Well then I am at a loss :p\n<chriadam|away> let's all take a moment to thank Stskeeps for that ;-D\n<Ryan45> (8:35:11 PM) Transhumanist: yeah. I think all the tech punditry proclaiming this concept dead on arrive because the smartphone market is too crowded are funny\n<Ryan45> (8:35:18 PM) Transhumanist: most of them probably don't even know what Linux is\n<Ryan45> (8:35:31 PM) Transhumanist: or about the huge culture associated with it and with FOSS and with Ubuntu\n<Ryan45> Your third statement argues they are wrong because of ubuntu's culture\n<Ryan45> and i am saying they are right on that point because of ubuntu's culture\n<Transhumanist> Yeah, why?\n<Ryan45> Because I dont want to buy a new phone\n<jo-erlend> Ryan45, then just download it and install it yourself?\n<Transhumanist> There will be a LOT of Ubuntu fans who will buy an Ubuntu phone. I'm not saying all, I'm not even saying 50%.\n<Ryan45> if i have one of the few phones it will run on\n<Transhumanist> But Ubuntu is used by tens of millions of people.\n<jo-erlend> Ryan45, where have you found the list of Android phones that won't be able to run Ubuntu?\n<Transhumanist> Ubuntu ROMs will come out.\n<Ryan45> Jo-er: i am basing my position of the fact they are working with OMAP\n<Ryan45> because nvidia and samsung keep thier stuff closed\n<chriadam|away> jo-erlend: well, it's simply not safe to assume that it'll be able to run on every piece of hardware. hardware adaptions are a _lot_ of work.\n<jo-erlend> chriadam|away, sure. What I'm saying, is it's way too early to make claims that Ubuntu won't run on existing hardware.\n<Transhumanist> Ryan45: but aren't you implying that if Ubuntu fans discover that, hypothetically, they can't install it on their old phone, then they won't buy an Ubuntu phone?\n<Transhumanist> It just doesn't make sense to me\n<Transhumanist> Some will, some won't\n<Transhumanist> And many won't even care about their old phones\n<jo-erlend> and as I keep telling people; most hardware is still crap. So is software. Computing is not a mature market. There's plenty of time to get in, as long as you do it properly. People will want to replace their phones sooner or later anyway.\n<chriadam|away> yup. here endeth the argument, I think.\n<Transhumanist> for the record, I am in favour of being able to reduce waste and install it on older phones. But the hardware requirements won't allow that. It needs fast processors, multiple processors, and high RAM\n<Ryan45> no, it just needs open drivers :)\n<Transhumanist> Canonical disagrees with you.\n<Transhumanist> Examine this table: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/operators-and-oems\n<jo-erlend> sure, I share those views. But the acceptable level of hardware hasn't been reached in my opinion. Not on tablets and not on phones. Certainly on desktops and laptops though, but that's a completely different segment.\n<Transhumanist> for the dockable version, Canonical has certain hardware requirements\n<Ryan45> lol\n<Ryan45> do you know how many 1Ghz Cortex A9's there are\n<Transhumanist> A large number.\n<Ryan45> ARM licenses that stuff out like its going out of style.\n<Ryan45> But not all of them are developer friendlty\n<Ryan45> this isn't the pc world where it's like 4 legit possibilities for cpu archetecture\n<jo-erlend> talking about ARM, I think their big.LITTLE sounds rather perfectly suited for this exact use.\n<Ryan45> man, my spelling is terrible in pidgin with no spellcheck.\n<jo-erlend> mine is terrible with no sleep :>\n<Transhumanist> what part of the world do you guys hail from?\n<Ryan45> Perhaps the 2014 release frame is because they know something about the business I do not :)\n<jo-erlend> Norway.\n<Ryan45> that future ARM forks are all going to be dev friendly\n<Ryan45> Alaska\n<Transhumanist> Ryan45: yeah, they know that more powerful phones will be out by then :p\n<Ryan45> Trans, you keep saying that but you dont talk about whats inside them\n<Ryan45> :)\n<Transhumanist> And they know that's how long it'll take to get this going with an ODM\n<Transhumanist> It'll still be ARM\n<Ryan45> My experience comes from the android tablet porting world\n<Transhumanist> But a bunch of chip manufacturers have been opening up a bit. And Canonical's plan seems to be to work with one to get their drivers working on Ubuntu, not necessarily to open those drivers\n<Transhumanist> I don't pretend that the hardware manufacturers will suddenly open up, although there's a lot of commercial pressure for that to start happening\n<chriadam|away> Mm. Intel have a pretty big potential in the mobile space, by 2014 I'm expecting really, really low TDP from their mobile chips.\n<jo-erlend> I think the most important thing is to get stuff working on one reference model.\n<Transhumanist> Yes\n<Ryan45> Perhaps there will be a stabalization on that front\n<Ryan45> BTW, to make it clear, I am not against this whole thing, i love it :)\n<jo-erlend> chriadam|away, it'll be interesting to see.\n<Ryan45> But I think it's more in the disruption then i assimilation\n<Transhumanist> Ignoring the ROM market. Ignoring Ubuntu users who want to install it on their old phone. There WILL be a huge number of existing Ubuntu users, and non-Ubuntu first-adopters who will buy the first Ubuntu phone that comes out.\n<Ryan45> I'd love to see a Ubuntu Phone Market where there are 5-10 phones available for me to buy unlocked for $300\n<Transhumanist> Same. But that's further off I suspect\n<Ryan45> Trans: are these going to be at Verizon?\n<Ryan45> or at ATT?\n<Transhumanist> I suppose that depends on Canonical's business skills?\n<Ryan45> or is this going to be a European only concept like Nokia\n<jo-erlend> I'd very, _very_ much like to see Nokia get on board. For a large number of reasons.\n<Transhumanist> As would I. They have a really good environmental track record.\n<Ryan45> The US model has a way of just destroying good ideas.\n<Transhumanist> That's the US.\n<Ryan45> I'm in the US :)\n<Transhumanist> It won't stop you from buying a phone up front, though.\n<Ryan45> Nexus 4 is probably going to be my first\n<Transhumanist> Even if Verizon and ATT don't have a version to sell on plans\n<Transhumanist> first smartphone?\n<Ryan45> I am not the average consumer\n<Ryan45> no, I still use the milestone, here the droid\n<Ryan45> first vzw android phone\n<Transhumanist> But why do you assume the average consumer needs to buy the Ubuntu phone for it to be successful initially?\n<Ryan45> Because cost is associated with scale :)\n<Transhumanist> The best models of Android phones only sell like 20 to 50 million units.\n<Transhumanist> I understand economies of scale.\n<Ryan45> I read a great nokia quote\n<Ryan45> \"if we had a phone that sold as few as the iphone it would be considered a complete failure\" this is from before Apple had an ecosystem around the phone\n<Transhumanist> But for their first unit, selling a few million copies is fine. Mark might even subsidise this yet further with his millions of dollars.\n<chriadam|away> Ubuntu has no need for profit... Oh, I'm sure Mark wants to sell tens of millions of handsets, at a nice margin if possible, but I don't think that's the primary aim, to be honest.\n<jo-erlend> I think it's important to keep in mind that Microsoft and Apple were considered successful even in the 80s and 90s, though that was a very small market.\n<Ryan45> The point I was just making is I hate nvidia reference platform built devices :)\n<Transhumanist> haha\n<jo-erlend> percentages doesn't pay the rent. I think Ubuntu can be quite successful even with a fairly low percentage.\n<Ryan45> They don't support even 6 month old devices\n<Transhumanist> BTW, I haven't fiddled with Cyanogen mod or anything\n<Transhumanist> but dual-booting is possible on Android phones, right?\n<Transhumanist> Because I can see a future where people dual-boot Ubuntu and Android :p\n<Ryan45> to ubuntu?\n<Transhumanist> to anything\n<jo-erlend> I can imagine a company saying \"yes, you can bring your own device â as long as it's Ubuntu so we're sure everything works properly\". :)\n<Transhumanist> e.g. between stock and Cynogen mod\n<Ryan45> It's not dualbooting, it's more like running an emulator\n<Ryan45> Look at the info on Ubuntu for Android\n<Transhumanist> Ubuntu for Android isn't emulation. It's sharing the same kernel. It's not dual-booting.\n<Transhumanist> But in todays market, can you dual-boot multiple ROMs?\n<Transhumanist> if you've unlocked your phone?\n<Ryan45> yeah, I am an idiotsavant with out the savant when it comes to explaining\n<Ryan45> no\n<Transhumanist> haha\n<Transhumanist> odd\n<Ryan45> It's the way android sets up its memory\n<Ryan45> you can certainly keep writing over\n<Ryan45> and using the old data with the new system files\n<Ryan45> but it gets ugly after a few times of doing that because that idea is REALLY stupid\n<Transhumanist> You can't... partition or something?\n<Transhumanist> Or direct the second OS to boot from external SD?\n<Transhumanist> honestly, it seems stupid that people have reinvented the wheel, DIFFERENTLY, for phones.\n<Transhumanist> They're just computers smeg it!\n<jo-erlend> on some phones, you can. Not on all.\n<jo-erlend> the mobile market is really messy in a lot of ways. So was PC in the beginning though.\n<Ryan45> (jo secretly supporting my point)\n<chriadam|away> they're not \"just computers\". they have their own set of problems to solve, and outcomes to achieve. people innovate, and come up with their own solutions and their own implementations. that's just natural.\n<jo-erlend> yes and that's what happened in the early PC era as well. Then it settled. I hope the same thing will happen in the mobile space. Because it seems obvious that people should be able to switch operating systems after purchasing the hardware.\n<chriadam|away> right, that may eventually happen\n<Ryan45> Little different global chip making capability\n<jo-erlend> I'm hopeful. We're at the very beginning.\n<chriadam|away> but at the pace of technological advancement, I'd be surprised if we still had \"handsets\" as we know them today, in 20 years time. wet-wired implants are more likely ;-)\n<Ryan45> ugh\n<Ryan45> people are against cross breeding carrots even though they will probably starve if they dont\n<Transhumanist> <chriadam|away> they're not \"just computers\". they have their own set of problems to solve, and outcomes to achieve. people innovate, and come up with their own solutions and their own implementations. that's just natural.\n<Transhumanist> this is true more because of where phones have come from than because of what people are trying to achieve with them today\n<jo-erlend> chriadam|away, I don't think people are going to replace form factors. I think we'll add new ones. For instance, no tablet or handheld will ever make me want to replace a good chair, desktop, big screens and keyboard. After all, technology doesn't alter my biology. Well, not yet, anyway :>\n<Transhumanist> People today are trying to use them as computer. It makes sense to ditch the phone paradigm and TREAT them as first-class citizens in the computing world\n<Ryan45> ARM's licensing has done wonder and been the bane of a lot of inovation though :)\n<Ryan45> puts the invoation in the hands of large manufacturers\n<chriadam|away> jo-erlend: yet, in my opinion, was the operative word in that sentence. I'm probably wrong, but we'll see. Either way, interesting times ahead ;-)\n<Transhumanist> jo-erlend: what about a phone that docks into a small station connected to a monitor and keyboard and mouse on top of your desk with the comfy chair\n<Ryan45> if everyone had to use one of like 3 sets of chips we would see all kinds of crazy device uses, but there are like 100's of locked up cpu's now\n<Transhumanist> is that not a desktop then?\n * jo-erlend thinks having choice of operating systems will be a big selling point for hardware manufacturers in the future. \n<Ryan45> i dont want to dock anything :)\n<Ryan45> I want to just come into range\n<Transhumanist> haha\n<Transhumanist> I love that idea!\n<jo-erlend> Transhumanist, right. When hardware is capable of that â which is happening very soon â that'll certainly be interesting and appealing. It doesn't change the form factor though.\n<Transhumanist> Well it does change it! No more towers. No more buying multiple devices.\n<jo-erlend> Ryan45, I do that now. Love BlueProximity :>\n<Transhumanist> It's a huge change :p\n<jo-erlend> and when I leave the house, my webcam automatically turns into a surveillance camera. That's nice too.\n<Ryan45> we are actually going to soon run into a surplus of computing power\n<chriadam|away> if one of the books on the bookcase in your study gets belligerent, you'll _know about it_ ;-D jokes\n<chriadam|away> Ryan45: pfft. no such thing.\n<jo-erlend> Ryan45, heh... To me, that's happened a long time ago wrt stationary computing.\n<Transhumanist> You know what I love the most about smartphones replacing PC's?\n<Transhumanist> The fact that they consume 1/100th the number of watts\n<Ryan45> i read on the internet that transhumanist REALLY loves the environment :)\n<jo-erlend> chriadam|away, it was a fun weekend project more than a security thing though :)\n<Transhumanist> Well it saves on electricity bills too.\n<chriadam|away> jo-erlend: hehe, yeah, I did the same thing back when I was in uni.\n<Transhumanist> but Ryan: how is reduced electricity consumption of that magnitude not an amazing thing?\n<Ryan45> :) I'm in Alaska, our whole economy is based on wasteful energy use aka oil\n<Transhumanist> And I am from Australia. We're simiklar with coal and gas.\n<Transhumanist> It's not a good thing.\n<Transhumanist> Or something to be proud of haha\n<Ryan45> I havent had a desktop in years\n<Ryan45> I only use laptops\n<jo-erlend> Ryan45, and I'm from Norway :>\n<jo-erlend> we _are_ proud of it, I think :)\n<Ryan45> Laptops use much less power.\n<Transhumanist> I've got this 6-core AMD desktop which I am going to retire for no other reason than it accounts for like half my electricity bill.\n<Transhumanist> Yeah I'm switching to a System76 lappie\n<jo-erlend> Transhumanist, you're going to retire a computer and replace it with a new one ... for the sake of the environment?\n<Ryan45> LOL\n<Transhumanist> Think that through more carefully jo-erlend\n<Transhumanist> I need it for other reasons. I'm going to switch to using it as my main PC too, to reduce electricity consumption.\n<Ryan45> It's like when they tear down old buildings to build new environmentally responisbile ones.\n<Ryan45> And the construction equipment does more carbon production then the building will save in its life time\n<Transhumanist> The savings CAN be worth it, but most people don't to the maths to figure out whether it is\n<chriadam|away> Usually the maths is too difficult. If everyone wasn't tearing down the old buildings, maybe HastingsDearing would be producing less heavy machinery, and maybe the steel mills would produce less steel, and maybe the mining industry would do less mining, and maybe...\n<jo-erlend> environment is very important. And low power consumption is good, not only because of the consumption, but also because lower consumption means longer life, because of less heat which requires fans and other moveable stuff.\n<chriadam|away> mainly it's good because it means my study doesn't get quite so damn hot during summer.\n<Transhumanist> The laptop I am getting has an average consumption of 30 watts (rough guess). My desktop PC has an average consumption of 300 watts (rough guess). I don't know how much electricity it cost to make each device, or how many pollutants were produced, but but it doesn't seem completely ridicuklously that at some point it will be an environmental gain to have switched to this laptop\n<jo-erlend> chriadam|away, which is a bad thing at winter in Norway. I'd rather warm my study using a computer than an oven.\n<chriadam|away> ... unless that point is longer than the lifetime of your laptop..\n<Transhumanist> indeed\n<Transhumanist> But I'm buying it so I can do development work away from home, especially at uni.\n<chriadam|away> jo-erlend: hehe. I used to own a dell that would have solved all of your central-heating problems\n<Ryan45> Trans, how much of those chemicals in the computer came from china :)\n<Ryan45> where they dont care about pollution output in mining\n<Ryan45> or in transportation\n<Ryan45> or in production\n<jo-erlend> chriadam|away, I currently own a beast of a machine. I should actually ask the neighbours to chip in, cause I'm probably lowering their electrical bills :>\n<chriadam|away> hehe\n<jo-erlend> whenever I buy something new, I try to buy something that'll last. I didn't really realize that it'd make my box sound like a Harley Davidson.\n<Ryan45> As an Alaskan I almost exclusivly talk online with people from Europe and Australia :) Due to timezones.\n<jo-erlend> but I don't think I'll ever have to upgrade my stationary again and that's a good thing.\n<Transhumanist> You have a point. This is why I really valued Nokia's products - they handled the lifecycle environmental cost of their products really well. But as I said, there are multiple reasons for buying this laptop: specifically the ease of doing development work. If I could buy a good Nokia laptop, I would. But I can't.\n<Transhumanist> But since I am buying the laptop for reason X, then it makes sense to retire my desktop and use this laptop because it consumes perhaps 1/10th the electricity. And back to smartphones absorbing other device categories: it'll be amazing when that happens because of the global drop in energy use from domestic computing\n<jo-erlend> I didn't know that. I like Nokia for other reasons.\n<jo-erlend> Transhumanist, heh, sure. I apologize for making that joke. It wasn't an attack in any way, and I wasn't referring to you when I spoke about my stationary.\n<Transhumanist> As an Aussie I usually miss Europeans because they're mostly asleep or at work\n<Transhumanist> =(\n<Transhumanist> jo-erlend: oh, was responding to Ryan45\n<jo-erlend> hehe ok :)\n<jo-erlend> ah. He doesn't like tab completion much, I see. :>\n<Ryan45> nah, every letter costs electricity\n<Ryan45> plus I dont want to make someones computer beep and wake up thier signifigant other.\n<jo-erlend> Ryan45, I think you have a good point. People talk green, but when it comes down to decision making, I think it's better if green is a bonus. Longevity, aesthetics and simplicity is much more important, I think.\n<Transhumanist> I take issue with that because you make it sound like they're mutually exclusive\n<Transhumanist> ;)\n<chriadam|away> right. I think the problem is that it's too complex for the average person to figure out, and it's too abstract or formless a threat to figure actively in most peoples' cognitive processes when making decisions.\n<jo-erlend> oh, quite the contrary. It's a matter of how you sell it. People like green and green is important. But I think it's better to say \"It's really nice, the battery lasts for a long time â oh, and that also means it's green\", than to say \"it's green, and it's kinda useful too!\" :)\n<jo-erlend> chriadam|away, right.\n<Transhumanist> jo-erlend: I see what you mean\n<Transhumanist> It's a matter of education, too though\n<Ryan45> OneUbuntuPhonePerChild is a way better program bTW :)\n<Transhumanist> lol\n<Transhumanist> that should be a thing.\n<jo-erlend> If you don't have to worry about the battery all the time, then that's good for you. You like that. As a bonus, it's good for the environment as well.\n<Ryan45> hey australian\n<Ryan45> who likes energy conservation\n<Ryan45> Do you like ice skating or hockey?\n<Transhumanist> I don't think my feet are designed for ice skating, but I love it anyway. I prefer skiing.\n<Ryan45> Ok, so have you heard of solar thermal absorption chilling?\n<jo-erlend> hehe\n<jo-erlend> he should, being an Australian.\n<jo-erlend> soaked leather bags filled with water was the primary way to keep the water cool when going walkabout, I seem to remember.\n<Ryan45> http://energy-concepts.com/thermochiller\n<Ryan45> They can drive the chiller needed for a skating rink off solar and I really want to build one in west texas, but australia would work as well.\n<Transhumanist> Oh, like setup a comercial ice rink run by one of these?\n<jo-erlend> are we still somewhat in touch with Ubuntu, or have we drifted completely off topic? :)\n<Transhumanist> Well... you're welcome to discuss something Ubuntu-related :D\n<Transhumanist> be back in a bit. Girlfriend is home.\n<jo-erlend> it's a good idea. I'm sure some people try to pay a little attention to the backlogs in order to catch unanswered questions. Makes it more difficult if we're talking too much about other thigns.\n<jo-erlend> things, even.\n<Ryan45> yeah\n<Ryan45> Unanswered questions, lol\n<Ryan45> like there are answers\n<jo-erlend> I've received good answers to all of my questions.\n<Ryan45> I apologize for bringing some debate to the conversation earlier :)\n<jo-erlend> don't. Enthusiasm is good. I get caught up too. I really do sometimes. :)\n<Transhumanist> Debate is good! I'm going to spend tonight installing their alpha QML development framework\n<jo-erlend> and I think green is an important aspect of UP. Not only because native code probably means less consumption, but also because a lot of people who would otherwise run a desktop 24/7 in addition to their phone, might reduce that to one device.\n<Ryan45> I would love to see them do a mediatek based demo\n<jo-erlend> I get the impression that there's still a lot of things to do before a detailed demo is called for.\n<Transhumanist> What's mediatek?\n<Transhumanist> just a device by MediaTek demoing Ubuntu Phone's features?\n<Ryan45> mediatek is the offbrand arm\n<Ryan45> A9\n<Transhumanist> http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/01/04/is-ubuntu-about-to-create-the-phone-and-pc-of-my-dreams/\n<donttrustem> Hi guys, I would like to test ubuntu phone on my nexus. Is there anywhere to download the code?\n<donttrustem> Anyone here?\n<k1l> no not yet. its not to be expected until the CES\n<donttrustem> When is the CES\n<donttrustem> Bloody bots\n<k1l> its just starting if im right\n<donttrustem> But it has been demonstrated on the nexus\n<k1l> on a galaxy nexus, yes. but the code is not published right now\n<donttrustem> When will it be published... I would like to test it and develop\n<k1l> donttrustem: there is no exact date mentioned. so its expected after the CES but dont count the hours\n<netchip> are the sources for ubuntu for phones released?\n<donttrustem> Man there must be a version out there for developers ....\n<donttrustem> netchip: I found something on the xda forum\n<k1l> netchip: no, not so far\n<netchip> :|\n<donttrustem> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1730546\n<netchip> also, why do they use Android kenrel?\n<donttrustem> Not sure if this will work\n<netchip> donttrustem, That isn't Ubuntu Phone they are developing ;)\n<k1l> donttrustem: that is not ubuntuphone\n<donttrustem> Ok\n<k1l> netchip: do they? i think they mentioned that they could use the android kernel because of the drivers\n<donttrustem> I think they need to release something soon otherwise it will lose momentum... It needs to be out there.\n<k1l> donttrustem: its a dev stage which they want to show at the CES to the hardware manufactures to get them on board\n<k1l> donttrustem: its not ment fo end-users to use on their phone right now. so be patient\n<netchip> Yeah, well, I'm running CM on my SGS3, it's 60% open source, and the team is 3 men, and they open sourced that part, without any documentation, in _one_ year\n<netchip> So for a big company, it should take a week\n<donttrustem> Lol manufactures are users ... End user will determine the success\n<k1l> *sigh*\n<k1l> netchip: cm isnt only run by 3men at all.\n<netchip> k1l, The team who opensourced my phoine is\n<netchip> teamhacksung\n<donttrustem> If the code is not out there for devs to use and spread the word then it will die. Ubuntu desktop started without manaufactures\n<k1l> donttrustem: that is not how the mobile business runs\n<donttrustem> We are not talking about phones anymore, it is now being pushed as a mini desktop when docked :)\n<donttrustem> Would you say that the nexus is a phone or a mini PC? The market call them smartphones because they need to separate them as a unique device ...\n<donttrustem> But in reality they are mini computers\n<donttrustem> Anyway enough of the rant ... Will have to wait for the release\n<popey> morning all âº\n<donttrustem> CES is this month ... In fact on Tuesday\n<k1l> hi popey :)\n<k1l> an ipad user who is ranting about ubuntu not giving the code NAOW!!111 . ok i see\n<Preed> what code?\n<Preed> So the ubuntu phone is a device with ubuntu on it.. and ubuntu for android is the same ubuntu, but running on top/parallell to android on an android device?\n<k1l> the ubuntu-phone code\n<Preed> whats that code for?\n<lcabreza1> what country is this phone available ?\n<k1l> lcabreza1: not available yet\n<Preed> you mean the source code?\n<k1l> Preed: no, ubuntu for android/ubuntu is a desktop-unity\n<Preed> so the ubuntu phone cant dock and turn into a desktop?\n<k1l> Preed: yes source code. the user who left right after you joined complained before that there is no code released so far from ubuntu-phone\n<k1l> Preed: the ubuntu for android based on the motorola webtop hardware . the dev-device was the motorola atrix. i dont know what the actual stage is and if other phones will support it wihout that special hardware\n<Preed> But.. The ubuntu-phone wont be able to do that? only phones that ship with android+ubuntu for android?\n<k1l> Preed: i dont know if there is any special hardware needed. so if you put ubuntu-phone on your old smartphone i dont know if it will support the desktop mode\n<k1l> but that is all guessing. im not an involved dev and there is no code so far.\n<Preed> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cpWHJDLsqTU#t=1249s\n<Preed> \"If your hardware works with android, it will also work with ubuntu\"\n<k1l> Preed: that doesnt include the desktop-dock-thingy, imho\n<Preed> True\n<k1l> it means that they can use the android kernel and the android driver for the hardware components\n<Preed> But why would that need any special hardware? Just launch the desktop and clone the phone screen to the hdmi/mhl-out..\n<Preed> Might want dual ramdacs(?) to output a different/higher resolution to the hdmi out though..\n<Preed> I think the SGS4 will have 1080p resolution though so on that it wouldnt be neccessary\n<Preed> But 1280x720 is a bit low for a desktop\n<Preed> The pics of the ubuntu-phone here http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone is an SGS3, aside from no hardware home button, missing samsung logo, and those 3 little dots on the lower right side(speaker?)\n<k1l> no its not. its a galaxy nexus\n<Preed> oh, well, they look damn similar :D\n<Preed> no chrome edge on the nexus though\n<Preed> is the ubuntu phone going to be based on the nexus? bit low-end hardware? or maybe its just the same shell...\n<popey> Preed: no, we're just using the nexus for the demo\n<popey> k1l: the ubuntu for android demo was given on a couple of devices, the motorola was just the first\n<popey> we're not wedded to any particular phone\n<Transhumanist> I'd LOVE to run Ubuntu on my Galaxy Note 2\n<Transhumanist> it's perfect for it\n<Preed> popey: I'd love it on my SGS3 :)\n<popey> equally we're not geared up to make images for every phone someone asks for\n<Preed> popey: Well, I assume you will for the most popular devices? Btw, is the docking and launching full desktop going to be in both ubuntu for android and the ubuntu-phone?\n<Transhumanist> Of course. But given Samsung's dominance and that the S3 and Note 2 are extremely common and meet your hardware specs, it would seem a smart move to target them.\n<k1l> popey: ah, thanks from the info. i only knew about the atrix\n<jrtappers> What phone will be the first to get ubuntu phone support in beta?\n<popey> jrtappers: no decision yet\n<popey> Preed: its in U4A, and makes sense to be in U4P too, assuming a few things\n<Preed> Do android apps/google store run on A4P too? Or does it require a full android system underneath?\n<popey> A4P?\n<Preed> I mean the android phone\n<Preed> erm... ubuntu phone\n<AlanBell> wait, Android runs on phones???\n<popey> hah\n<Preed> sorry Im tired, was up coding till 8 this morning and got up at 10 :o\n<k1l> AlanBell: yes but its just a beta :)\n<AlanBell> whatever will they come up with next :)\n<popey> U4A is Ubuntu on top of Android, and the Android bit works just like a \"normal\" Android phone\n<popey> so yeah, the \"Android\" in \"Ubuntu for Android\" has play store and Android apps etc\n<k1l> the ubuntu-phone wont have the google play\n<Preed> popey: What Im wondering is if the \"ubuntu phone\" will be able to run google play store/android apps?\n<popey> Ubuntu for Phones isn't Android, so no, it won't have Google Play\n<popey> Just like iOS doesn't have Google Play âº\n<Preed> popey: Im guessing it might be a while until the app market for U4P has caught up with play store...?\n<Preed> although porting the apps from android to U4P should be quite easy\n<popey> Yeah, see Marks recent mail to ubuntu-devel about that\n<popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-January/036297.html\n<popey> now is the time\n<Transhumanist> can anyone subscribe to ubuntu-del?\n<Transhumanist> thanks\n<popey> yes, but it's moderated\n<popey> i.e. not a discussion list\n<Preed> maybe even the SDK has option to compile for U4P and U4A simultaneously?\n<popey> there is ubuntu-devel-discuss for discussion\n<Transhumanist> I don't wish to reply, just receive it :)\n<popey> Preed: nope\n<k1l> well, not having apps was a big problem for webos (beside the really insane pricing of the products)\n<popey> ah okay, thats what i do Transhumanist\n<popey> yeah,it's a challenge\n<k1l> i hope ubuntu finds a way to pass this cliff\n<Transhumanist> native Ubuntu apps won't run on U4P, right? Need to be coded in QML?\n<popey> they could be ported\n<popey> we're recommending Qt/QML, yes\n<Transhumanist> yes, but they need to be. However, QML apps should run fine on desktop Ubuntu once the phone is docked?\n<Transhumanist> So QML isn't required?\n<Preed> Transhumanist: probably not, since when its docked Im guessing its still running the same kernel/drivers etc\n<chriadam|away> it depends on your definition of \"run fine\". when you're dealing with an entirely different HCI paradigm, you _need_ to adapt for application for the best user experience.\n<chriadam|away> having a touch-optimised, limited screen real-estate application running as-is on a desktop is... suboptimal. and similarly, having a desktop-optimised, large screen with physical input methods, application, simply doesn't translate to the mobile device. so that's one thing that is going to need developer support for, imo.\n<Transhumanist> I agree with that.\n<Transhumanist> But it'd be smart to have QML work flawlessly on Ubuntu desktop so that the only porting devs need to do is the UI side of things. Still a daunting task, but that still saves a lot of other code from having to be ported.\n<chriadam|away> QML does work flawlessly on Ubuntu desktop\n<Transhumanist> Yeah I figure. So people just need to start using it for native Ubuntu desktop apps\n<Transhumanist> so there's a big pool to draw from when U4P does come out\n<chriadam|away> people have been. bobweaver has been writing some really interesting things, for example ;-) but I agree, it has a long way to go in terms of traction in the developer community.\n<Transhumanist> that's cool. I'm writing an Android app at the moment that sends new vocabulary words to the notification bar each day. Will something like this be possible in Ubuntu Phone? If there a notifications feature?\n<Transhumanist> I believe Mark Shuttleworth is providing funding to an Australian mobile phone mesh networking project for making calls in a decentralised way. It would be cool to see that eventually integrated into Ubuntu Phones.\n<Degwees> Hey everyone, I've got a question about the mobile Ubuntu. Will any current phones be supported?\n<Degwees> particularly bada phones\n<k1l> at least the phones need to be open to let a linux be installed. and then they need to ship linux drivers\n<Degwees> I'm using a Samsung S8500, last I heard when someone tried to port Android onto it, they burned 4 phones and stopped working on the project\n<Transhumanist> The first phones are HIGHLY likely to be phones which can run Android. They're also likely to be phones which are very easy to unlock. E.g. Nexus devices.\n<Transhumanist> but that's just the first phones\n<Degwees> As far as I know, Android, Bada and Ubuntu all come from Debian?\n<Transhumanist> Android doesn't\n<Transhumanist> Android uses the Linux kernel, but the rest is fairly unique\n<Degwees> Alright\n<Transhumanist> I say that they'll probably target Android phones because they'll want to prevent duplication of effort, and they've got a seperate team working on getting Ubuntu running on Android phones while Android remains installed\n<k1l> android is a linux kernel with alot of java\n<Degwees> Guess I'll check if they've evolved over the last year with bada phones. It'd be awesome to see something else on the Samsung Wave cos you know... bada sucks\n<Transhumanist> haha\n<Degwees> It was great at first... great player, great camera, great everything with a but\n<Degwees> but it was never truly stable\n<Degwees> And after 2+ years that seriously gets on my nerves\n<Degwees> I mean, you know.... Even the god damn alarm clock didn't work properly :D\n<Transhumanist> I can see that. I had the Debian-based Nokia N900. Good phone. Fairly stable. But Nokia never really supported it. Paperweight now I guess.\n<Degwees> I've been on the SE boat mostly, just later started using Samsung. It's nice but they don't seem to be very good at software development\n<Transhumanist> Try their Smart TV. It's a nightmare.\n<Degwees> Haven't had the chance to, yet\n<Transhumanist> Don't.\n<Degwees> Heard news about Estonian Elion and Samsung working together to create a system which doesnt require a \"digibox\"\n<Degwees> not too sure how it's called in english though\n<Transhumanist> You'd think that with such a strong phones department, Samsung could put 2 and 2 together and use Android for TV's for a streamlined experience. But not.\n<Degwees> but that was for TVs\n<Degwees> Ah well, maybe I'll just upgrade to a Samsung S2 and give the Wave to my wife lol\n<Degwees> Anyways, thanks for the information :)\n<Transhumanist> I'm not sure the S2 will see Ubuntu any time soon.\n<Transhumanist> The Galaxy Nexus would be a better upgrade choice\n<Transhumanist> especially since it now runs Android 4.2\n<Degwees> Can't S2 be upgraded to that?\n<Transhumanist> When Samsung decides to.\n<Transhumanist> The Galaxy Nexus is a superior device to the S2\n<Transhumanist> should cost about the same\n<Transhumanist> and the Galaxy Nexus seems to be the testing phone for Ubuntu for Phones\n<Degwees> Costs a bit more here actually, just checked\n<Degwees> It's 360⬠vs 390â¬\n<Transhumanist> OK. What if you order overseas? I am Australian, but my Galaxy Note 2 is from Bulgaria.\n<Transhumanist> haha\n<Degwees> :D\n<Transhumanist> anyway, best to keep this chan to Ubuntu discussion I guess\n<popey> âº\n<popey> its cool\n<Degwees> Thats probably 250 AUD and 270\n<Transhumanist> =)\n<Degwees> Thanks though, I'll remember that\n<Degwees> But yeah, not sure if I'd still be getting the Nexus for it seems to lack battery life now that i'm reading into it\n<Degwees> Which, you know, is awesome for the S2 and even the Wave... The first year at least :D\n<Degwees> Anyways thank again!\n<Degwees> thanks*\n<Transhumanist> no problem. Nice to chat :(\n<Transhumanist> err :)\n<today> Will ubuntu be faster than android?\n<today> I mean, its basically a native app, right?\n<today> Using native apps*\n<AlanBell> today: impossible to say, and what you think of as \"faster\" might not be to do with the application speed as such\n<AlanBell> it will be plenty fast enough on a 2014 model phone\n<today> Low end phones will still exist\n<today> What are its languages for development?\n<k1l> the minimum specs mentioned on the site are not really low end phones\n<today> No java right?\n<AlanBell> low end screens will still exist, low end processors not so much\n<today> My new phone is 500 mhz\n<AlanBell> today: \"native\" apps are Qt/QML with javascript\n<today> java is slow right?\n<AlanBell> HTML 5 is also supported, I am guessing that is a webkit rendering engine\n<AlanBell> no, java is not slow\n<today> Its high level\n<AlanBell> a JVM takes a little while to start which is why 10 years ago, java applets were slow to start\n<today> Its slower than c ++ no?\n<AlanBell> not really in any practical sense\n<today> Mmm ever played triplea? That's slow, and its all java\n<AlanBell> it is all about the algorithm, not the language\n<today> You need a quad core machine to run it decently\n<today> The language is built on algorithims\n<today> And ever java app I use, is slow\n<k1l> ab bad scripted app on html5,qml or whatever will always be slower than a good java one.\n<AlanBell> quad core only helps multithreaded applications or running many processes at once\n<AlanBell> if you have a single threaded application then throwing more cores at it does not make any difference at all\n<today> Still its slow\n<AlanBell> and hardly anything is ever CPU bound, it is all IO waiting\n<today> Android apps are slow too :p\n<AlanBell> write an algorithm that touches the disk less it will go faster, nothing at all to do with the language\n<today> It has allot to do with the language\n<today> On java it is easier to make slow apps\n<AlanBell> why?\n<today> Its high level\n<today> And ugly too imo\n<today> I tried a bunch of development environments programmed in java. Ugly and terribly slow, and buggy\n<AlanBell> there are lots of reasons to not like java very much, but applets in web browsers in the late '90s being a bit sluggish is not one of them\n<AlanBell> swing is ugly perhaps\n<today> I'm talking about desktop apps\n<M4rtinK> what about Python support @ Ubuntu-phone ?\n<M4rtinK> there are quite a lot of people writing mobile Python applications in the Maemo/MeeGo community\n<M4rtinK> (running on Nokia N900 & N9)\n<M4rtinK> using the LGPL PySide bindings for Qt\n<M4rtinK> and it looks like PyQt already supports Qt5 (which is what Ubuntu-phone is using, right ?)\n<popey> yes, to qt5\n<M4rtinK> so is Python support on the official roadmap ? or left to the community ?\n<Walther> let's just hope that some of the community efforts will be accepted and pulled as official supports :P\n<Walther> because that's what true community support should be - community's work taken as part of the whole\n<Walther> not just as \"download the community patch from here and there\" for everything and nothing\n<M4rtinK> for the record, I've just got QML hello world running with Qt5 & PyQt on desktop :)\n<Walther> Are there any plans to merge the Ubuntu Phone work to Ubuntu Nexus work?\n<Walther> As in, having the Ubuntu Phone UI in a tablet would make sense as well\n<Walther> or perhaps switching between phone UI and desktop UI\n<popey> Walther: much of the ubuntu phone work will ripple into the distro, so as a byproduct will end up in the nexus7 build\n<popey> and vice versa, lessons learned from the nexus 7 experiment will result in a better phone experience\n<Walther> mmh. But I was mainly thinking about the swipe UI\n<Walther> which is unlikely to pop to the desktop version at least\n<xavinux1> Hi people, I would like to know how can I cntribute with the Ubuntu phone\n<AlanBell> Walther: some of that is already in the desktop version, it was called utouch but they don't call it that any more\n<AlanBell> xavinux1: mostly by learning about QML at the moment and thinking about what apps you might like to develop for the platform\n<Walther> yeah, at least the ability to three-finger drag and zoom windows, which is really cool\n<Walther> But yeah, I hope there will be tight collaboration between the -phone and -nexus teams\n<xavinux1> thanks for your answer AlanBell\n<popey> s/utouch/open input framework/\n<xavinux1> so need people that program with QT Languaje?\n<xavinux1> and develop apps?\n<AlanBell> xavinux1: right now there is nothing to see, and nothing to contribute to in the platform itself, but we do know that if you want to write apps for it then Qt/QML is going to be the way to do that\n<Walther> I wish the possibility to help in platform level would arise as soon as possible\n<Walther> as in, support for different devices etc\n<xavinux1> ok Sir, as Walther says, I have a Nokia N9, perhaps can be userful to test the platform on it and support other devices as they do with nexus?\n<Walther> I have a N9 as well, and extremely willing to help testing on it\n<Walther> N9 should be pretty well documented - there's the MeeGo community hacks, Mer project, Nitdroid android port for it, Jolla Sailfish... etc\n<Walther> so porting ubu phone to it shouldn't be difficult\n<popey> The N9 might be a bit slow these days.\n<AlanBell> I would expect there will be some instructions for the Galaxy Nexus after CES or perhaps after MWC\n<AlanBell> and my guess is that the first other thing it gets put on will be the Nexus 7\n<AlanBell> even though that isn't a phone\n<xavinux1> ok AlanBell\n<Walther> yes, it would be great to put it on my nexus 7 :O\n<Walther> :P *\n<xavinux1> Walther would be great to run it on the n9 too, don't it?\n<Walther> yup\n<gac> out of interest, are people going to be able to do their own builds, a la xda-developers? I've just retired my original HTC Desire which just about meets the minimum specs on the webpage, so i'd be interested to know if this is ever likely to arrive on that\n<gac> although being a very old handset, I don't expect there'll be anything official from ubuntu/canonical\n<Walther> I would hope for more of a \"generic kernel\" approach\n<Walther> as in, not only custom ports a la xda-developers, but those patches for support being pulled to the real distribution\n<Walther> it would be even better\n<Walther> have the advantage of not beign a custom build -> updates not dependent on the couple dudes who ported it\n<gac> it would, but it then creates the illusion of more support than there actually is IMO, so i don't think canonical would do that\n<Walther> we can hope though, and be vocal about it\n<popey> gac: yes, we're expecting to release a build which people can hack around with for other phones\n<popey> but what we release will be open source so people can use that and build their own\n<gac> sounds good, i'll keep hold of the Desire then rather than shipping it off for recycling, see what happens with ubuntu :)\n<M4rtinK> a HP Touchpad build would be nice :)\n<M4rtinK> many developers got them from the firesale (myself included) :)\n<Walther> But I take it no repos / builds are available until as of CES\n<M4rtinK> also already runs Android with CM9 just fine\n<Walther> BTW, is there a dedicated channel for nexus ubuntu?\n<Walther> nexus 7 ubuntu *\n<popey> It's unlikely anything will be available anytime soon\n<Walther> but we are the anxious geeks! we want our weekly fix of hacking now :P\n<popey> hehe, me too!\n<M4rtinK> +1\n<netchip> pff\n<netchip> We know how Ubuntu Phone is looking\n<netchip> And now it's just waiting for source code\n<netchip> I don't care about images\n<netchip> They won't help my SGS3\n<xavinux1> if the n9 can run an android 4.1 without problem, think can run an ubuntu phone os..\n<Walther> Yeah, that's what I thought\n<Walther> it might not be fast enough to comfortably run the desktop thing on a dock\n<Walther> but for the basic phone OS, it should be *fine*\n<Walther> not only barely enough, but fine\n<kristof> Hey! Any word on when we'll get those images for ubuntu-mobile?\n<k1l> <k1l> kristof: no need for swearing\n<kristof> k1l: :C apologies.\n<kristof> Is there a release date planned?\n<k1l> no, no dates yet. but it is to be expected that the dev-phone release (galaxy nexus) will be released some time after the CES\n<kristof> I'm a bit irritated that this was developed behind closed doors, but whatever.\n<k1l> kristof: why are you irritated that its behind closed doors?\n<kristof> k1l: Because the point of open-source is for open development. Much of the work to build Ubuntu Mobile has already happened.\n<kristof> It's effectively closed-source.\n<kristof> (until the dev release)\n<k1l> kristof: wait i will post a post from alan bell because i wont type it again: https://plus.google.com/109175303602657131317/posts/6doQRuuN433\n<k1l> if you want to contirbute (i bet most of the critics wont anyway, they just want a shitstorm) there will be a release after the CES\n<kristof> k1l: Oh, that was actually quite informative, thank you. =)\n<kristof> I suspected that most of this was developed in the open but simply as fragmented software.\n<kristof> Alright, I'm satisfied. Thanks!\n<k1l> CES is a business meeting, where ubuntu wants to show the OS to the manufactures to get them on the boat. it was not a user-press release so far\n<k1l> makes a bookmark on AlanBell s google+ post :)\n<AlanBell> did I accidentally say something useful?\n<bobweaver> k1l, howabout this I have been asking for days where I should upload fixs to the Elements that Ubuntu made I have gotteen no where\n<bobweaver> where I should file bugs\n<AlanBell> for days??\n<bobweaver> for days\n<AlanBell> 3 days tops :)\n<bobweaver> 2 days\n<xavinux1> Walther think we can start testing Ubuntu and make it work the N9? Anyone may be interested in helping?\n<bobweaver> lol\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, you are funny man lol\n<bobweaver> yeah I amwhere is the colde\n<bobweaver> er\n<AlanBell> I have filed 1 bug so far, one sec . . . .\n<AlanBell> bug #1096341\n<bobweaver> I need to know what glib schema the phone is using so That I can write apps against it\n<bobweaver> !bug #1096341\n<bobweaver> comon bot\n<bobweaver> lol\n<AlanBell> bug #1096341\n<ubot5> bug 1096341 in UI Toolkit \"GU image size advice is wrong\" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1096341\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, now try to look at the font\n<bobweaver> and resize it\n<bobweaver> lol\n<bobweaver> or try to right click on anything that uses a abstract button\n<bobweaver> or have anything that needs to hover a abstract Button or resize it smoothly\n<AlanBell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/qml-toolkit is the place to file bugs\n<bobweaver> thanks AlanBell what up patchs ?\n<AlanBell> all hidden in here somewhere: https://launchpad.net/manhattan\n<AlanBell> no source code yet\n<AlanBell> bobweaver: so you have the QML stuff running?\n<bobweaver> yeah I had to download the tar and then build the comentents my self\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, I have a version of Unity 2d that uses the stuff yes\n<AlanBell> I got QT creator running earlier, but got annoyed about the different versions of QML in the repos and PPA and got bored\n<bobweaver> s|comentents| Compents\n<bobweaver> I can spell\n<bobweaver> can't lol\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, Never set Bashrc to do a man's / womens job\n<AlanBell> :)\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, I use 3 different qt version and have never had any trouble\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, what I am working on Right now (most is still qt-quick 1 )\n<bobweaver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhRBTqdlYSg\n<AlanBell> oh I am sure it isn't much trouble, I just put some qt 2.0 code in qt creator and it complained\n<bobweaver> so everything that I have wrote for the TV will also work in the phone\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, it is the backend of Unity 2d that uses qx11info that is not in qt5\n<AlanBell> nice\n<bobweaver> so I am porting that but it is going to take me a couple of months. But if the phone is already there I do not need to port\n<AlanBell> so do you have a remote control that is going to run on the phone?\n<bobweaver> as I have 3 different form factors\n<bobweaver> TV , Desktop , Tablet\n<bobweaver> all can be changed from the dash\n<bobweaver> and all is 3rd party , that is why I must know how the glib is set up in phone\n<bobweaver> if (unity2dConfiguerationformFactor === \"phone\") console.log(\"hello there Alan \\n this is a formfactor phone \") else if (unity2dConfigurationsformFactor === \"desktop\") con......\n<AlanBell> don't forget rotation, the phone could be tall or wide\n<bobweaver> Image { source: foo.png rotation: if (status === Image.Ready) 1 else 0 behavior on rotation {NumberAnimation {from 0 ; to: 360; durration: 1200 ; easing.type: Easing.OutBounce }} :)\n<bobweaver> I think that I like adding Behavior on whatever\n<bobweaver> rather then states and transtions but there is a time and place for wverything\n<bobweaver> everything\n<AlanBell> so what does that do? spin 360 degrees when you rotate the phone?\n<bobweaver> well you could all it when ever you want say on a button or what ever\n<bobweaver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb8s7pSBu30\n<bobweaver> On the light dm parts and the parts that are loading are all behaviors\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, that I can not tel you because I do not know how the phone glib settings are set\n<bobweaver> I am sure that it is some sorta Strut Manager but not sure how I could call iut because I have not seen the code yet :)\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, here I will write a simple app that spins a picture\n<AlanBell> I get that things can spin\n<AlanBell> the thing is when the user rotates the phone the canvas changes shape\n<AlanBell> and they can rotate it left or right\n<AlanBell> so you might want to reflow to a two column layout in landscape mode, or change some of the controls\n<AlanBell> there is an iOS calculator that is a conventional 4 function calculator in portrait mode and a scientific calculator in landscape\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1500958/\n<AlanBell> file:///home/alan/spin/spin.qml:1:1: module \"QtQuick\" version 2.0 is not installed import QtQuick 2.0\n<bobweaver> Behavior Trumps everything see if the mouseArea is clicked it says that the text rotation = 1 . but because there is a behavior that is assigned to it it does that\n<bobweaver> change it to import QtQuick 1.1\n<AlanBell> why?\n<bobweaver> or change your qt version that you are useing\n<AlanBell> how?\n<bobweaver> tools -> options -> qt -> qtversions\n<bobweaver> then add the qmake file\n<bobweaver> /opt/qt5/bin/qmake\n<AlanBell> I don't have a qt section in tools-options\n<AlanBell> ah, build and run\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, http://imagebin.org/241859\n<bobweaver> or you can configure using project button\n<bobweaver> \"Manage Versions \"\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, IMHO the ppa for daily is not that great it is beta qt5\n<bobweaver> gstreamer is all messed up in it webview and other's also\n<bobweaver> best to DL from nokia's site\n<bobweaver> stable qt5\n<AlanBell> I think I will wait until it hits the repos\n<bobweaver> http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_5.0\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, what is your version of qtcreator 2.5.0 ? help-->about qtcreator\n<AlanBell> Qt Creator 2.6.0\n<bobweaver> nice\n<bobweaver> higher then mine I use 2.5.0 my fav version so far. But I do not use the designer\n<AlanBell> do you use it with multiple monitors?\n<bobweaver> and tv's\n<AlanBell> I have one monitor higher than the other and the menus get disconnected and appear at the hight of the lower monitor\n<AlanBell> I should do a bug report about that\n<bobweaver> screenshot ?\n<bobweaver> that kinda sounds like a bamf thingy\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, unity2d or 3d ?\n<AlanBell> gnome shell\n<AlanBell> I will try in unity in a sec\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, if you are looking for a mass amounts of example code I have a ppa\n<bobweaver> ~u2t/bleedingedge\n<bobweaver> only for 12.04 though :(\n<AlanBell> menus work in unity\n<bobweaver> Right now I am making it so that there are var's for all the Easing.<This> and durration:<This> so that users can change the way that icons are loaded in launcher /dash\n<bobweaver> so that behavior code will look like this\n<bobweaver> Behavior on rotation {NumberAnimation{from: 0 ;to: 1080;duration: (dashLensConfigureation.durrationTime); easing.type: Easing.dashLensConfigureation.easingType}\n<bobweaver> so then user can do gsettings set com.canonical.Unity2d.dashLensConfigurations durration-time = 1300\n<AlanBell> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components0-pagestack.html I guess all apps load in a pagestack which does the right side swipe\n<bobweaver> or I will make a slider in the home sections\n<bobweaver> Yeah I am sure that PageStack calls other things or at least it should or it is not a Real UI\n<bobweaver> just a shell so to say and would not be able to interact with gnome\n<AlanBell> wonder if an app can screw about with the QML of another app if they are done like that\n<bobweaver> what do you mean ?\n<bobweaver> like take a app that is in C++ and then make a declaritive view for it ?\n<AlanBell> well in one page can I do this.parent.otherapp.something\n<bobweaver> still not sure what you mean sorry\n<AlanBell> in the demo you saw the apps switcher right? you swipe from the right edge of the screen to page through all the apps running\n<bobweaver> yeh\n<AlanBell> so how isolated are they in terms of scope?\n<bobweaver> I am *guessing* that that is a strut manager with C++ backing just like launcher and how it hides and knows the size of screen\n<AlanBell> if the switcher is a pagestack and each app is loaded on a page are they sandboxed into that page or is it all one big QML structure that they can all access\n<bobweaver> I am sure that there is also global vars that are used for that but not sure because I have not seen backend code yet\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, I am guessing hear but I bet there is a Model\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, say I wanted to be able to open any *.desktop file in qml and I wanted it to be simple\n<bobweaver> make c++ plugin http://paste.ubuntu.com/1501017/\n<bobweaver> then in a \"plugin\" file I exspose the element\n<bobweaver> so that in qml I can call it\n<bobweaver> Like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1501024/\n<bobweaver> because there is a element that Is created in C++ and I exspose it to QML via Plug in I can then call it any time that I want\n<bobweaver> like in a button\n<bobweaver> that is how Unity 2d launchs all its apps\n<bobweaver> well......\n<bobweaver> there is alot more to it then that but idea over all\n<bobweaver> the c++ will make a LIB under /usr/lib/qt(version)/imports/PluginName\n<AlanBell> yeah, I don't think that it can be a pagestack exactly\n<bobweaver> then you just import that in you your qml file in are example import Application 1.0\n<mhall119> AlanBell: the apps are all going to be sandboxed and isolated from eachother, if that's your concern\n<bobweaver> Or you can make a bunch of qml and make a folder and make that a plugin also just like Ubuntu.Componets is done\n<AlanBell> mhall119: cool, I was expecting that to be the case somehow. It is hard to get a grasp of the overall architecture from the bits that have been released\n<bobweaver> AlanBell, + 1 million\n<mhall119> AlanBell: I don't expect the window-management functionality itself is written in QM:\n<bobweaver> only reason I have not wrote apps for it yet\n<bobweaver> I have no idea what I can do with the core backend yet and I do not need to make a bunch of declaritiv things that I do not know if the phone has already\n<bobweaver> mhall119, qt-bamf ?\n<bobweaver> Phone will be like\n<bobweaver> org.ayatana.bamf.view' on object at path /org/ayatana/bamf/application756416830\n<bobweaver> org.ayatana.bamf.view' on object at path /org/ayatana/bamf/application756416830\n<bobweaver> lol\n<AlanBell> mhall119: oh, I thought it would be. I presume the UbuntuShape function is for the launcher buttons so figured the rest would be QML\n<mhall119> bobweaver: there may be some manner of bamf going on\n<mhall119> AlanBell: I bet there's a lot of the UI that uses QML\n<AlanBell> mhall119: do you know much more about this than we do?\n<mhall119> but window management is more low-level than that\n<mhall119> AlanBell: not really, no\n<AlanBell> ok, fair enough :)\n<mhall119> everything I knew about it what was announced\n<mhall119> \"is what was announced\"\n<mhall119> I don't even have a prototype :(\n<bobweaver> mhall119, that is what I am talking about once I know all about all that if bamf then there is dbus if dbus that means that there is a gio and then that means that there is ways to cingure things in a awesome fasion\n<mhall119> bobweaver: I can pretty much gurantee that there is dbus\n<bobweaver> trickle down effect\n<mhall119> since all of unity/dash/indicators/notifications on the desktop is done that way\n * bobweaver needs config.h.in and <source>/data/* \n<AlanBell> personally I think the main blocker for starting to thing about contemplating writing apps is that I don't know how rotation works, or how to simulate rotation on a desktop application\n<mhall119> but bamf was written to overcome a deficiency in X, if it's using (or going to be using) something else, bamf might not be needed\n<AlanBell> and what the expected standard behaviour of a rotated app on this platform is\n<AlanBell> or how big the screen might be relative to the gu\n<bobweaver> standard behaviour most the time == gschema.xml\n<mhall119> AlanBell: I'm told there is an emulator in the works, using whatever the Android SDK uses to emulate (qemu I think), that should probably let you simulate rotations\n<mhall119> AlanBell: the API gives some examples of pixels-per-gu\n<bobweaver> qume has armel things so I bet that that is it\n<mhall119> AlanBell: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/resolution-independence.html\n<bobweaver> just wish that I could help make this better lol :)\n<AlanBell> yeah, I guess I can work out the gus per screen for common resolutions\n<mhall119> bobweaver: you will, soon, everybody this week was busy preparring for the announcement, and then preparring for CES\n<bobweaver> Like I see that there is going to be all desktop phone and everything so that makes me start guessing and I do not like to guess when I am writing apps :)\n<AlanBell> some screen shots or design drafts for the core apps with measurement lines in gu would be good to see what is going on in the designer mind for those\n<bobweaver> mhall119, I know I just want it NOW !\n<bobweaver> lol\n<AlanBell> and a video of an app rotating would be good\n<mhall119> AlanBell: pixels-per-gu is a function of pixel density, not just resolution\n<bobweaver> NO\n<mhall119> bobweaver: you and me both :)\n<bobweaver> that is not a good Idea\n<bobweaver> you should make your pixle not by some js function\n<mhall119> AlanBell: those are being written as we speak (not literally, since it's Saturday)\n<bobweaver> font.pixleSize: parent.width / 12\n<bobweaver> that way when re-sizing it will resize if screen gets bigger\n<bobweaver> same with any elements\n<AlanBell> bobweaver: yeah, the gu stuff does appear to need a lot more justification for it's existence than it has at the moment!\n<mhall119> AlanBell: retina displays and the new screens on, say, the GS3 are jusitification for grid units\n<AlanBell> mhall119: I understand the problem they are trying to solve\n<mhall119> one grid unit should, more or less, represent the same physical size regardless of pixel density and resolution\n<bobweaver> like if I do Image{source: foo.png ; width: Utils.pxgu(70 )} it will always stay that even if you are in big screen and even if there is different functions for formfactors\n<bobweaver> best to do Image{source: foo.png ; width: parent.width / 12}\n<bobweaver> or what ever looks like 70 px\n<mhall119> bobweaver: parent might re-size without you wanting the button resized\n<bobweaver> I found that out the hard way with t v\n<AlanBell> yes, but this gu is quite big. Not exactly tying up with font sizes, but that order of magnitude. It isn't small as in the width of a thin line\n<bobweaver> mhall119, then you hardcode\n<AlanBell> and it isn't a consistent fraction of the screen size\n<mhall119> bobweaver: not to pixels, because 50px on an old laptop LCD is button size, but on a retina display it's tiny\n<bobweaver> or you do if (dashConfigureation.fullScreen === true) parent.width / 2 else ......\n<mhall119> the point is that you always want you button to be button sized, regardless of the size of it's parent, regardless of the size of the screen, regardless of the screen's resolution or it's pixel density\n<bobweaver> then it should be a better way to know what the overall size like WindowInfo {} and then change that way not writing in a bunch of functions\n<AlanBell> it kind of needs a blog article sized thing justifying why it is a good unit, and where it should be used. I am sure that must exist internally.\n<bobweaver> also translations have been changed :(\n<bobweaver> use to be u2d.tr(\"this is text to translate \")\n<mhall119> AlanBell: it probably doesn't exist internally, as I'm sure it was all discussed in design meetings until everybody undersstood\n<mhall119> but I can request it\n<bobweaver> but there is also wrote into qs.tr() or whatever the functions is in qt\n<bobweaver> qsTr(\"text\") *\n<AlanBell> mhall119: so me, ali1234, bobweaver all reacted in a \"why on earth would I use a unit like that, it is all the bad bits of pixels combined with the not quite rightness of points\"\n<AlanBell> I am sure it can be justified, but if that is going to be part of the consistent rhythm of the user interface it needs a bit more selling!\n<bobweaver> << horrible designer\n<bobweaver> :)\n<bobweaver> at any rate I am just supper happy that I am going to be hacking on this code soon\n<bobweaver> until then I make more and more apps that are for unity 2d that can be interdrated real fast to phone core\n<Billy88> Yabaaa\n<bobweaver> Once I know about the qt/c++/dee/bamf/gio/whatever that the phone core is using and if it is using libunity ect\n<Billy88> 3orrr\n<Billy88> Kol 5ara\n<bobweaver> Billy88, spill something on keyboard ?\n<mhall119> bobweaver: I'm interested in how to access libunity from QML myself, I'll ask about that on Monday\n<bobweaver> mhall119, in CmakeList.txt\n<Billy88> It's my kid\n<Billy88> I can't tell him no\n<Billy88> ffg\n<bobweaver> mhall119, like pkg_check_modules(UNITYCORE REQUIRED unity-core-6.0)\n<bobweaver> then your project knows that it needs that to work\n<bobweaver> then you just add the libs that you want to use to your C++ files that you are going to make into declaritive views\n<bobweaver> so say #include \"deelistmodel.h\" then in plugin.cpp qmlRegisterType<DeeListModel>(uri, 0, 1, \"DeeListModel\"); then anytime in my qml I just call DeeListModel{QML Goes Here }\n<bobweaver> as long as I import the libs\n<bobweaver> mhall119, plugin.cpp http://paste.ubuntu.com/1501103/ look at the bottom of the file \"Q_EXPORT_PLUGIN2(Unity2d, Unity2dPlugin);\" that means that I can all any of them elements now as long as I have a at the top of my qml file import Unity2d 1.0\n<bobweaver> hope that helps :)\n<HeLLy> I was told to come to this channel with maybe some help on connect mobile broadband here in Bolivia since it is the only country not listed in South America was really hoping to have internet tomorrow for NFL games I will be going back to the states this wednesday so was hoping for a quick fix soon :-/\n<bobweaver> HeLLy, I am watching the CIN vs HOU game atm\n<mhall119> bobweaver: I'm assuming it's not called Unity2d on the phone version\n<bobweaver> correct\n<bobweaver> them are the things that I am wondering about :)\n<mhall119> bobweaver: and that gives you access to your app's LauncherEntry and stuff?\n<bobweaver> Not sure what you mean ?\n<mhall119> bobweaver: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/python/Unity-6.0.html#Unity.LauncherEntry\n<mhall119> that's what you use to add progress bars and counters to your Launcher icon\n<mhall119> I'm wondering how you'd do that from an app written in QML\n<bobweaver> progession on what ?\n<bobweaver> progress *\n<mhall119> on something you app is doing\n<mhall119> it can show in-app progress in the Unity Launcher icon for that app\n<bobweaver> Oh\n<bobweaver> you can send signal\n<mhall119> Nautilus uses it for file-copies, update-manager uses it for upgrade progress, etc\n<bobweaver> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/python/Unity-6.0.html#Unity.Filter can be seen used here http://paste.ubuntu.com/1501149/\n<bobweaver> then that is exported to qml element as you can see in the plugin\n<ThomasCorwin> How could you purchase a Ubuntu Mobile Device?\n<bobweaver> so yes mhall119\n<k1l> ThomasCorwin: no devices yet. it was just a system showoff\n<ThomasCorwin> kil: okay. Thanks.\n<bobweaver> so mhall119 kinda like this CmakeList.txt (make sure that the pkg is there) --> File.cpp (file that is working with pkg lib that you told cmake to include) --> plugin.cpp (expose the File.cpp and export to <qt area>/lib/imports/<PluginName(FileManager)>) --> FileThingy.qml (In file.qml we import are plugin (import FileManger 1.0) Now in are qml we can call any of the elemts that are in File.cpp file File{ Qml goes here })\n<bobweaver> s|file.qm|FileThingy.qml\n<bobweaver> so it is like making a custom lib then make into declaritive view , then use it in your qml stuff\n<bobweaver> not sure if all the \"terms\" are right there lol\n#ubuntu-phone 2013-01-06\n<bobweaver> mhall119, for something like progression I would do Image{source: \"foo.png\" state: launcherItem.progressBarVisible ? \"\" : \"hidden\" } where launcherItem is your well.....\n<bobweaver> er ctrl+b is bold not new line sorry\n<HeLLy> bobweaver: found the right info yay! NFL TIME!\n<bobweaver> sweet HeLLy sportsbeech ?\n<HeLLy> firstrow\n<HeLLy> Hope my 49ers pull it together next week\n<bobweaver> me too HeLLy I am huge Niners fan\n<bobweaver> HeLLy, what do you think about the qb you like keap or smith ?\n<HeLLy> smith :-/\n<HeLLy> He has had it rough for his entire career there with the coach changes and his stats are actually amazing\n<HeLLy> but I believe in keap I have to, he did spank the pats which put a huge smile on my face, the seahawks loss was a kick to the face though\n<HeLLy> I am diehard 49er fan having to deal with there awful seasons for so long been a big follower of Gore and Vernon Davis\n<Transhumanist> \"big-name developers such as Electronic Arts are currently developing apps for the new OS.\"\n<Transhumanist> O.o\n<k1l> ?\n<dank101> hey\n<AlanBell> I will just leave this here http://www.cultofmac.com/208529/why-apple-should-stop-making-ios-apps/\n<AlanBell> night all o/\n<bobweaver> cya AlanBell nice chating with you :)\n<Rosenzweig> So you can develop Ubuntu Phone apps using the Quickly/QML tool kit right?\n<linuxuz3r> hi Rosenzweig\n<linuxuz3r> can you do that?\n<Rosenzweig> Hello linuxz3r.\n<linuxuz3r> whats quickly?\n<Rosenzweig> Something mentioned in the Ubuntu Phone App creation video.\n<Rosenzweig> It's a set of tools I suppose.\n<linuxuz3r> can you make 3d games with it?\n<Rosenzweig> Not sure.\n<linuxuz3r> ok\n<Rosenzweig> All I know is that to make a phone app you need Ubuntu, you need QT 5 and QML toolkit.\n<Rosenzweig> Now the tutorial I see is for python.\n<Rosenzweig> But is there a way to use C++ instead and compile for the phone?\n<linuxuz3r> qt5 from trolltech?\n<Rosenzweig> I guess there isn't a compiler at all seeing as its all python in this tutorial.\n<Rosenzweig> By Nokia, which is close enough.\n<linuxuz3r> ok\n<Transhumanist> QML is more like the GUI toolkit. For Ubuntu Phone apps\n<Transhumanist> you can indeed make 3D games. OpenGL works fine on Linux\n<Transhumanist> From what I understand, your app logic can run in C++, but they want the GUI in QML\n<Transhumanist> It seems like QML can do 3D games and call OpenGL, based on a document I'm reading about Qt5 from a year ago.\n<linuxuz3r> ok\n<linuxuz3r> i cant wait for uphone apps\n<Transhumanist> Then start coding one! :D\n<Jester86> hey guys\n<Jester86> so what is an approximate status on the ubuntu phone?\n<Jester86> is it a real possibility or still very unknown?\n<limikael> hey\n<limikael> first time i heard about this..\n<limikael> cool\n<limikael> what does it use for graphics? i suppose it is not X\n<limikael> wayland?\n<popey> Jester86: https://twitter.com/sabdfl/status/287829942249607168\n<popey> âº\n<mesquka> it is a very real possilbility, but they have fallen behind schedule\n<mesquka> andriod is linux on phone if your wondering\n<popey> mesquka: who's behind schedule?\n<mesquka> the dev team for ubuntu phone\n<popey> we are?\n<Transhumanist> Are they?\n<Transhumanist> Nobody told me anything about them being behind schedule. Not even the rumour mill that seems to constitue tech journalism.\n<mesquka> my source is #ubuntu (brady)\n<mesquka> so you are on schedule?\n<popey> no idea who brady is\n<limikael> are you open to hearing some thoughts even if they are critical? :)\n<popey> we absolutely are. we have units to demo at CES which is exactly what we wanted âº\n<mesquka> ok, unreliable source then\n<limikael> you know what i would want rather than a ubuntu phone? i would like a 100% web based os, like firefox os\n<limikael> or chrome os\n<mesquka> mmmm.....\n<limikael> but developed in collaboration with the community\n<limikael> that os could then be ran on both phones and surf pads\n<limikael> but it is a cool project non the less\n<popey> well, mozilla are doing firefox OS, and you'd have to speak to google about chrome os\n<popey> we're not doing either\n<mesquka> it would be a good option, i believe android prooved that linux on phones and there is the fact im using arch on my raspberry pi self built smartphone ;D\n<mesquka> you can fork chomium os if you wanted\n<limikael> sounds like a lot of work.. :)\n<popey> well, that's not what we're doing âº\n<limikael> but i think i will do it.. some time in my life when i have an infinite amount of money i will create something very small and slim that just boot up to a web browser\n<limikael> ok but i will not go on about that\n<Transhumanist> What they're doing is eliminating device categories by conflating phones, tablets, desktops, and laptops into a single device with some different docks.\n<Transhumanist> And it's wonderful.\n<limikael> an ubuntu is really cool\n<Ryan45> maybe they can do Internet Explorer OS\n<limikael> eeehehhheh\n<mesquka> i really like the idea\n<Ryan45> popey is ubuntu phone a TI OMAP specific project at the moment?\n<Jester86> mesquka, sorry had to get another beer.\n<Jester86> so when you say it is a real possibility.. is that within this lifetime or just eventually?\n<mesquka> within the next 2 years probably\n<Ryan45> The web is great but app dev is always going to be limited\n<Ryan45> there is certain resources you simply dont want to make available to the web\n<mesquka> linux on phones, lets see..... mostly ARM processors, already existing kernal for that\n<mesquka> ryan what do you mean?\n<mesquka> as to linux on phones, if google can do it, so can we\n<bobweaver> anyone here know anything about https://reviews.ubuntu.com/reviews/api/1.0/reviews/filter/en/ubuntu/precise/any/vlc like if I can get more then reviews ?\n<bobweaver> Or other api's that are like that ?\n<mesquka> no\n<mesquka> afk\n<mesquka> im back\n<mesquka> hi\n<_polto_> hi people\n<_polto_> is there a way to test ubuntu-phone on my Galaxy Note 2 ? I am running a chrooted Ubuntu for a year now. My web and mail servers are running on it. :) but I'd really like to ban Android completely from my phone. Is it already possible since it has been announced ?\n<mesquka> hi\n<_polto_> hi mesquka\n<mesquka> is there an irc channel for just general chat\n<mesquka> ??\n<ubuntubhoy> ubuntu related ?\n<mesquka> no\n<mesquka> just in genreal\n<ubuntubhoy> just do a channel search\n<mesquka> cant\n<ubuntubhoy> but all channels with have a general subject matter\n<mesquka> ???\n<mesquka> oh right, alis, forgot\n<mesquka> I can't concentrate\n<mesquka> *sigh*\n<mesquka> What's the latest news on ubuntu phone?\n<Emanon> And can we get an image to flash?\n<ubuntubhoy> nothing will happen till after CES\n<Emanon> Bummer.\n<Emanon> Cause I'd like to drop the droid.\n<Emanon> Any news on whether full disk encryption and an actual \"Lock\" screen will be available or just the insecure \"Welcome\" screen.\n<ubuntubhoy> not got a clue\n<ubuntubhoy> it is still very much a WIP though\n<Emanon> Because I'd like to see a decent secure phone.\n<Emanon> It would be nice to script it to turn on location services and beacon the location to a web interface or pre-established email address in the event of repeated wrong code entries.\n<popey> #ubuntu-discuss is for general ubuntu discussion mesquka\n<popey> plenty of other channels exist for specific topics\n<mesquka> thanks, I was looking for ubuntu-discuss\n<mesquka> hello?\n<k1l_> ?\n<mesquka> I really need to see a psychologist\n<mesquka> If my parents would let me RAGE\n<mesquka> Just want to smash my mac and everything around me\n<Robbilie> hello guys :)\n<mesquka> Hi robb\n<Robbilie> k1l_,\n<Robbilie> banned me on ubu :D\n<Robbilie> so are there more updates to find here than over there?\n<k1l_> Robbilie: stop that\n<Robbilie> k1l_, what did i do?!\n<k1l_> evading a ban/mute on purpose its not what its ment for\n<Robbilie> i was chatting fine with others\n<k1l_> Robbilie: i asked you several times to stop that offtopic. you didnt follow the guidlines.\n<k1l_> !guidelines > Robbilie\n<ubot5> Robbilie, please see my private message\n<Robbilie> i stopped talking bout arch?!\n<Robbilie> the bot is awesome :D\n<Robbilie> k1l_, opk read through this\n<Robbilie> *ok gonna\n<mesquka> hello?\n<Robbilie> hey\n<no_tech> hi there. so the phone was announced, but is there any way to actually install/run it on a devide\n<no_tech> device?\n<k1l_> no_tech: nope. no images/code yet.\n<popey> see /topic âº\n<Robbilie> thanks that was helpful\n<Robbilie> where the faqs are partly kinda strange\n<popey> how so?\n<Robbilie> Is it running X or Wayland or something else?\n<Robbilie> Unknown.\n<Robbilie> that is strange...\n<Robbilie> the are running it without knowing what tech they use? :D\n<Transhumanist> Or they don't want to tell us yet\n<Transhumanist> Keep in mind Canonical is announcing a lot more details about it at the CES in a few days\n<Transhumanist> But we've been told that images for our devices should arrive in a few months. If nothing too drastic happens, it should be safe to say that at least ONE type of Android phone (likely the Galaxy Nexus) will be able to run Ubuntu OS this year\n<no_tech> I would just love to know what devices they would focus on. My company i work for uses Blackberry, and I was hoping to get a nexus 4 for personal use, but will now wait to see what devices ubuntu will run on. I thought it really looked good on the video's released thus far.\n<Robbilie> no_tech, i guess it wont run on a blackberry, but with the nexus you should be fine, even when the g nexus will get it first\n<no_tech> Robbilie: am sure no Blackberry.. will still wait before coughing up for a nexus phone\n<Robbilie> no_tech, i guess thats the best way ;)\n<Robbilie> still, i love my razr i and with the intel cpu explicitly mentioned on there support page i guess i will be fine :D\n<Robbilie> and on the safe side :D\n<dank101> why is it so quiet\n<Robbilie> cause nobody knows anything :D\n<popey> It's Sunday.\n<Robbilie> or that xD\n<dank101> yeh good point\n<Robbilie> pay attention, dont talk about sundays, you will get banned because its offtopic ;)\n<Robbilie> right k1l_ ?\n<dank101> can someone help me\n<Transhumanist> no_tech: it's pretty certainly, though still not 100% confirmed, that the first Ubuntu Phone compatible device will be the somewhat old Galaxy Nexus\n<dank101> i was trying to compile a app for the new ubuntu phone\n<Robbilie> Transhumanist, correct\n<Robbilie> dank101, probblems?\n<k1l_> Robbilie: poking the ops they banned you when you act against the channel guidelines isnt a very good idea\n<no_tech> Transhumanist: thanks. i may try pick up a second hand one once the Rom is released\n<Transhumanist> As will I\n<Robbilie> k1l_, am i currently acting against the guidelines? just warning other users before they also get banned by paucity of their\n<dank101> yes it is a compiling error\n<Robbilie> whats the error and what are you compiling with\n<dank101> Qt5\n<dank101> and it saying something about GLX failing to load\n<Robbilie> glx...sorry dunno what this is :/\n<dank101> i think its OpenGL\n<dank101> something with these nvidia drivers\n<popey> can you pastebin the entire error?\n<Robbilie> popey, great idea\n<dank101> its OK i got a answer on ask ubuntu\n<Robbilie> a working solution? :D\n<Robbilie> can you post the link? might run into this soon too\n<no_tech> so i understand that the ubuntu way is to get teh community involved etc, but part of me just wishes that the anouncement included an actual device or rom being available. this waiting is a killer...;-)\n<Robbilie> no_tech, true, i hate it when companys annouce smthng you cant get your hands on after the presentatiopn\n<Robbilie> their fail, they let the devs wait and they get bored and loose interest\n<k1l> wait i will post a post from alan bell because i wont type it again: https://plus.google.com/109175303602657131317/posts/6doQRuuN433\n<k1l> this wasnt a enduser announcment in the first place. it was an anouncment for the CES to get the attention of manufactures to get them into the boat\n<Robbilie> who is he?\n<ubuntubhoy> k1l: makes perfect sense\n<ubuntubhoy> without OEM's interested there is no point\n<k1l> ubuntubhoy: yep. and you have to show something before the even think about it\n<ubuntubhoy> yeah\n<ubuntubhoy> CES is the place to get them all at once\n<ubuntubhoy> and the demo vids were very promising\n<Robbilie> hope thats when they release the source\n<no_tech> just hope they dont get into patent game... am looking forward to the CES outcome\n<popey> patience...\n<ubuntubhoy> I think release time will depend on any negotiations they get involved in\n<ubuntubhoy> they will play to the OEM's a certain amount\n<k1l> popey: patience is not the internets best attitude :)\n<Transhumanist> No, no, not patience, PATENTS\n<ubuntubhoy> popey: shot in the dark here, you wouldn't happen to have a rough idea of the system image size would you ?\n<Transhumanist> 42\n<popey> no\n<ubuntubhoy> didn't think so, but was worth an ask\n<AlanBell> Robbilie: I am just a random person making educated guesses\n<k1l> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/01/cnn-predict-ubuntu-phone-wont-make-inroads\n<k1l> i like the ideas at the market situation that are mentioned there.\n<Zaki-Sama> Hello here, i know the Ubuntu for phone has nothing to do with the Ubuntu for Android\n<Zaki-Sama> still i want to know, if it's possible (right now) to personaly install it on your mobile?\n<AlanBell> nope\n<Zaki-Sama> Ah okay, and how much phones have you tested it one this far?\n<Zaki-Sama> on' -e\n<AlanBell> we know they have put it on the old galaxy nexus\n<Zaki-Sama> (sorry my english is weak)\n<Zaki-Sama> AlanBell: yes i noticed that they were only showing it on a Galaxy nexus\n<Zaki-Sama> for all the handson videos\n<Zaki-Sama> on all the hands-on videos\n<k1l> the ubuntu4android was first tested and developed on the motorola atrix\n<k1l> but it was tested on several more devices in the meantime.\n<Zaki-Sama> k1l: i see okay, and when Mark Shuttleworth speaks of Native ubuntu mobile apps he means the ordinary *.deb apps for Mobile, or the HTML5 apps ?\n<popey> native means running on the bare metal, yes\n<Zaki-Sama> Awesome, so i guess Gaming on Ubuntu will be just great, it will be benefic for both desktop & mobile environement\n<popey> well games will need to be ported over\n<Zaki-Sama> Thank you AlanBell popey and k1l you were very helpful\n<popey> which depends on the developers\n<Zaki-Sama> popey: i know that\n<popey> as with any app\n<Zaki-Sama> but UBUNTU is the FUTURE\n<k1l> yep. just think on that most mobile smartphones use a arm cpu\n<krabador> great to see an irc channel of ubuntu phone\n<krabador> have developers planning to support hardware of many devices, or just some couple of?\n<mesquka> Hi, I'm back\n"},"meta":{"kind":"string","value":"{\n \"pile_set_name\": \"Ubuntu IRC\"\n}"}}},{"rowIdx":17,"cells":{"text":{"kind":"string","value":"#ubuntu-irc-helpers 2010-04-14\n<h2o> can anyone help me out, please\n<h2o> im having problems, whit java\n#ubuntu-irc-helpers 2010-04-17\n<mrdeadlocked> Can anyone assist me in how to perma OP someone in a channel\n<levent_> hi all\n<levent_> I am trying to install kerio vpn client on amd64\n<levent_> has anyone succeded?\n<nhandler> levent_: Try #ubuntu for support\n<levent_> they told me that\n<levent_> they would not give support for xubuntu\n<levent_> at debian channel\n<levent_> :(\n"},"meta":{"kind":"string","value":"{\n \"pile_set_name\": \"Ubuntu IRC\"\n}"}}},{"rowIdx":18,"cells":{"text":{"kind":"string","value":"#ubuntu-lb 2010-12-20\n<Elijah__> wow\n<Elijah__> we have a FireBlade\n<Elijah__> :p\n<youssefchaker> Armageddon: ma 3abbarak :P\n<Guest68643> hmm\n<Guest68643> alienpulse, got you the dvds\n<Guest68643> youssefchaker, mish natro\n<alienpulse> all righty then :)\n<alienpulse> 10x\n<Guest68643> yw\n<Guest68643> alienpulse, 2 LTS server and user\n<youssefchaker> keep your porn dealing business off this chat room your pervs!\n<alienpulse> Armageddon, we must see u soon !\n<alienpulse> hehehhe ,,\n<Armageddon> sure\n<FireBlade> Armageddon: yeah, just like Sadus was part of the LLUG/LEGLUG old Linux generation :)\n<FireBlade> glad there's another channel that's still keeping things alive in leb\n<Armageddon> :/\n<Armageddon> ok\n<Armageddon> that's all I have to say :p\n#ubuntu-lb 2010-12-21\n * ghantoos runs around the channel\n<Armageddon> :/\n<Armageddon> well at least not naked !\n<Armageddon> :p\n<ghantoos> :)\n<Armageddon> how's ghantoos ?\n<ghantoos> Armageddon: rawa2, a lot of work :)\n<Armageddon> cool\n<Armageddon> better than no work at all at least\n<ghantoos> Armageddon: yep :)\n<Armageddon> :D\n<Armageddon> exactly\n<Armageddon> sorry had to restart\n<ghantoos> Armageddon: bravo!\n<Armageddon> :p\n<Armageddon> what for ?\n<ghantoos> 12:20 < Armageddon> sorry had to restart\n<Armageddon> :p\n<Armageddon> ok\n<Armageddon> what's the bravo for ?\n#ubuntu-lb 2010-12-22\n<cuteeee> hi hi\n#ubuntu-lb 2010-12-24\n<Armageddon> Merry Christmas Y'all !\n<rapacity> it's merely christmas eve\n<rapacity> :p\n<rapacity> hey\n<rapacity> wasn't there some loser name popengi or panguini or something coming here ?\n<rapacity> me hides\n<Armageddon> :p\n<Armageddon> looooooooool\n<Armageddon> compengi, you mean ?\n<rapacity> aha was that his anme?\n<Armageddon> no idea where the heck that dumbass is\n<rapacity> :p\n<Armageddon> yea\n<rapacity> hum..\n<Armageddon> popenzi\n<rapacity> aha!\n<rapacity> right that was it\n<Armageddon> there is a chocolate thingy maybe cereal called popenz\n<Armageddon> or something\n<Armageddon> right ?\n<Armageddon> rapacity, how you been ?\n<rapacity> akh! didn't do well on exam!\n<rapacity> tired!\n<rapacity> :p\n<Armageddon> sorry to hear\n<Armageddon> you'll do better next time :p\n<rapacity> :p hopefull\n<rapacity> hoepfully*\n<rapacity> err\n<rapacity> typo hell :<\n<Armageddon> :D\n#ubuntu-lb 2010-12-26\n<rapacity> ah right\n<rapacity> I distinctly remember that we were supposed to be meeting someone Armageddon\n<Armageddon> rapacity,\n<Armageddon> who?\n<Armageddon> when ?\n<rapacity> pengicom!\n<Armageddon> I don't remember his nickname\n<rapacity> :p\n<Armageddon> maybe it was gipencom\n<rapacity> want to go meet him ?\n<Armageddon> ignepmoc\n<Armageddon> now ?\n<rapacity> well not this instant\n<rapacity> I have no clue where he is :p\n<Armageddon> exactly me neither\n<rapacity> he sent an email to the mailing list\n<rapacity> but I was too tired to do something about it\n<Armageddon> yea I was too busy too\n<Armageddon> rapacity, pm for a bit\n#ubuntu-lb 2014-12-15\n<dabukalam> Armageddon: wow more bots than people in here\n<Armageddon> dabukalam: I guess\n<Armageddon> you're still alive I see\n<dabukalam> yes lost a few limbs but still breathing\n<dabukalam> you?\n<Armageddon> meh, on the verge\n<Armageddon> hehe\n<dabukalam> I think if you sell your car and stick to public transport your chances of continuing to live will increase by about 1000 times\n<Armageddon> nope\n<dabukalam> :)\n<Armageddon> they will actually decrease\n<dabukalam> what you up to these days?\n"},"meta":{"kind":"string","value":"{\n \"pile_set_name\": \"Ubuntu IRC\"\n}"}}},{"rowIdx":19,"cells":{"text":{"kind":"string","value":"#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-10\n<smartboyhw> Waiting for daily update No#10 then now:)\n<popey> s/daily/weekly/ ?\n<smartboyhw> popey: s/daily/weekly/10 from jhodapp:)\n<popey> hah! look what you made him do!\n<smartboyhw> OH NO...\n<smartboyhw> popey: Anyway he is back:)\n<jhodapp> smartboyhw, need something?\n<smartboyhw> jhodapp: I wanna read the weekly update:\n<jhodapp> smartboyhw, I guess it's in high demand, eh? :)\n<smartboyhw> jhodapp: YES\n<jhodapp> :)\n<smartboyhw> ;)\n<jhodapp> new weekly update is out: http://www.doadjustyourset.com/2012/09/10/ubuntu-tv-weekly-update-10/\n<smartboyhw> Yay\n<tgm4883> bobweaver, pong\n<bobweaver> well hello there :)\n<bobweaver> I was wondering about 2 things if you have the time\n<tgm4883> yep, shoot\n<bobweaver> 1 ) scope is not reading tv shows just wanted to let you know that\n<tgm4883> hmm\n<tgm4883> ok\n<bobweaver> 2) this is more a mythtv thing but I can not get movies to get fan art\n<tgm4883> so for #1, it should be getting TV shows\n<bobweaver> I rm all torrevted ones and still nothing named them the way that they should be and still nothing\n<bobweaver> but\n<bobweaver> I am getting back all the info for the movies just no fanart\n<bobweaver> myth tv\n<bobweaver> ^\n<bobweaver> let me make sure that I have the latestest scope brb\n<tgm4883> for #2, are the fan art directories getting populated with image files?\n<bobweaver> Nope just like 4\n<bobweaver> out of 50 movies or something like that\n<tgm4883> ok\n<bobweaver> drop tables and scan again ?\n<tgm4883> no you shouldn't need to ever touch the DB\n<bobweaver> good to know\n<tgm4883> go into the metadata editing section and do a search for fanart\n<bobweaver> ok\n<tgm4883> also take a look at /var/log/mythtv/metadatalookup.log\n * bobweaver plays skipping record .... \n<bobweaver> thanks for helping me again tgm4883\n<tgm4883> it says skipping record?\n<tgm4883> anything else?\n<bobweaver> No\n<bobweaver> lol\n<bobweaver> it still is getting nothing\n<bobweaver> I am saying that I am a skipping record by saying \"thanks for helping me tgm4883 \"\n<tgm4883> ah\n<bobweaver> Ok I think that I have figured it out but could be wrong\n<tgm4883> ok what is it?\n<bobweaver> on the same box that is backend I open the frontend and noticed that all the spaces for where to store things are blank\n<tgm4883> no that's correct\n<bobweaver> ok\n<tgm4883> but check mythtv-setup, as that is where those storage directories are set\n<tgm4883> step 6 I think\n<bobweaver> yeah there is only 2 thumbnails under ~/.mythtv\n<bobweaver> ok will do\n<tgm4883> make sure a directory is setup for each, and that it's writable by the mythtv user\n<bobweaver> yeah they are all set up and right users groups and permissions\n<bobweaver> what is funny about it is this\n<tgm4883> and nothing in that log file?\n<bobweaver> I get all the metadata\n<bobweaver> like what the movie is about the actors anything that is text\n<bobweaver> but I just dont get fanart nor coverart nor thumbnails\n<bobweaver> looking closer at log\n<bobweaver> anything to look for off the top of your head ?\n<bobweaver> Oh I booked my flight today for UDS\n<tgm4883> nice\n<tgm4883> pastebin the log file\n<bobweaver> will do\n<bobweaver> taking a little bit to pastebinit\n<bobweaver> sorry\n<bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1197378/\n<tgm4883> bobweaver, do /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Television/ttvdb.py -v\n<bobweaver> ok\n<bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1197384/\n<tgm4883> That looks right, what about dpkg -l libmyth-python\n<bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1197393/\n<tgm4883> bobweaver, ok, what if you do this\n<tgm4883> /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Television/ttvdb.py -l en -M \"The Unit\"\n<bobweaver> ok\n<bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1197403/\n<tgm4883> ok, so try this\n<tgm4883> In the frontend, in the settings\n<tgm4883> there should be an entry for metadata\n<tgm4883> I don't have a frontend available right now to check :/\n<bobweaver> artwork and data ? there is a place to pick out API\n<bobweaver> we can do this after you are out of work if you like\n<bobweaver> also last thing\n<tgm4883> yea that is right\n<tgm4883> so go in there and cycle though them for television to get ttvdb.py (even if it's already selected)\n<bobweaver> are you or any of mythbuntu people going to hold tracks for the future of Mythtv ? at UDS ? I would go\n<tgm4883> we don't hold mythtv tracks\n<tgm4883> we have semi-private meetings at LTS UDS's\n<tgm4883> semi-private meaning, it's at the bar :)\n<bobweaver> cool I would like to be there if I am cool enough :)\n<bobweaver> I can not change the API\n<bobweaver> wont let m\n<bobweaver> me *\n<tgm4883> hmm, ok, maybe going in was enough\n<tgm4883> I'd like you to try and get artwork again\n<bobweaver> OK\n<bobweaver> nota\n<bobweaver> I even try to reset the data and scan again\n<bobweaver> same thing getting text only back\n<tgm4883> can you paste that log again?\n<bobweaver> let me cat out video dir\n<tgm4883> I want to see if the output changed\n<bobweaver> sure\n<tgm4883> brb\n<bobweaver> kah\n<bobweaver> just to let you know the 2 movies where \"Bad Ass\" and \"Being Flynn\"\n<bobweaver> mythmetadata.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/1197429/\n<bobweaver> my video dir that holds movies http://paste.ubuntu.com/1197433/\n<bobweaver> also dont know if this will help when you get back. But I have nothing called \"The Unit\" in my video's or anywhere on the computer for that matter\n<tgm4883> bobweaver, you don't?\n * tgm4883 wonders why it's searching for it then\n<bobweaver> No Sir\n<bobweaver> I just did sudo find / -name 'The Unit' and got nothing back\n<bobweaver> I also ran\n<bobweaver> sudo find / -name '[Tt]he [uU]nit' and got nothing back\n<tgm4883> \"Bad Ass\" and \"Being Flynn\" are movies or tv shows?\n<bobweaver> moves\n<bobweaver> movies\n<bobweaver> tvdb works fine\n<bobweaver> tmdb is the only one that is giving troubles\n<tgm4883> ok\n<bobweaver> running sudo find / -name '*[Tt]he [Uu]nit*'\n<bobweaver> nothing came back :/\n<bobweaver> going to ask in bash if that is right on the regex\n<tgm4883> nah don't worry about it\n<tgm4883> if it's recorded, it's not going to have that in the filename anyway\n<bobweaver> Oh there is one recording from Sunday in the lib\n<bobweaver> niners game (that was awesome ! )\n<bobweaver> meaning that I have not recored anything else that \"watch recording \" that is the only thing in there\n<bobweaver> well I recored before But I have rm\n<bobweaver> But nothing called 'the unit '\n<tgm4883> ok, so lets do\n<tgm4883> /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb.py -M \"Bad Ass\"\n<tgm4883> verify that returns XML\n<bobweaver> yah looks good\n<bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1197481/\n<bobweaver> that is the correct movie and <image> link to it is also correct --> http://cf2.imgobject.com/t/p/original/ws0LVXY4NwhUDkzdVR27KTXulaI.jpg\n<bobweaver> maybe I should try to run jamu ?\n<tgm4883> bobweaver, nah, jamu is deprecated\n<bobweaver> thansk\n<bobweaver> thanks *\n<tgm4883> out of curiosity, anything in syslog?\n<bobweaver> I will take a look\n<bobweaver> just apparmor talking about unity-scope-gbrowser\n<tgm4883> odd\n<tgm4883> This is 0.25 or 0.26?\n<bobweaver> 0.25.2\n<bobweaver> that was weired I just tried sudo apt-get install libmyth-0.25-0 and it is installing Oo\n<bobweaver> but apt-cache policy mythtv shows 0.25.2\n * bobweaver shrugs \n<bobweaver> tgm4883, I dont want to take up that much of your time I thank you a ton for all that you have done for me with this You Rock I will try some things and get back to you later thanks again\n<tgm4883> thanks bobweaver I've asked in #mythtv-users as well, but haven't received a response yet\n<bobweaver> thanks ! anything helps at this point I am going to install some new things and I know that I should not muck around with mysql but I am going to export and search file for 'The Unit '\n<bobweaver> wait I think I might have just gained some ground\n<bobweaver> nope false alarm\n<bobweaver> GOT IT !!!!\n<bobweaver> so I have to do this 1) go to each movies and reset the meta data 2) Do not scan go right into the edit movies and then scan from in there and it is working\n<bobweaver> and then I can scan again to get text. not pretty but will work\n<bobweaver> Err but now it is not holding true too all the movies meaning that it is working but then resets :(\n<tgm4883> bobweaver, move all videos out of the videos storage group folder, scan for changes, move them back, scan for changes again\n<tgm4883> that should clear everything it knows about the videos\n<bobweaver> ok will do\n<bobweaver> keeps on crashing the exit code 133 or something like that But I think that it is starting to work\n<bobweaver> Allright tgm4883 I got great new's and I got bad news. good news sorted out mythtv (other frontend was not saving videos in right dir) But I installed 0.26 of the scope and am still not getting back tv previews. Just to let you know also it is getting 500 error most likly my back end. But that is testing results . I am going to make into a deb and install that way to see how it goes : )thanks again\n#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-11\n<bobweaver> gezz passports are not cheap after my 2nd attempt I will have spent over $420.00 USD\n<bobweaver> Getting frugal with it. nah nah nah nah nah nah nah ... nah nah nah nah nah nah .. getting frugal with it\n<tgm4883> bobweaver, denied again?\n<bobweaver> nope\n<bobweaver> apponment is for tomorrow\n<tgm4883> ah\n<bobweaver> 140 for te 1st denial\n<bobweaver> the * so 140(old) + 140 +25 +60 +20 +20 + 55(new birth certificate) = 460.00 USD\n<tgm4883> bobweaver, so you have an appointment with someone now?\n<bobweaver> that is 2 months rent for bobby\n<bobweaver> yeah I set it up when getting birth certificate\n<bobweaver> shit I forgot photos\n<bobweaver> add 17 usd\n<bobweaver> 477.00 USD\n<bobweaver> bodhi_zaren from the forums said that he mad his with gimp though maybe I can do that and save the 17 usd that is a meal\n<tgm4883> yea you can bring your own photo\n<tgm4883> just meet the requirements they want\n<jhodapp> bobweaver, why did you get denied the first time?\n<bobweaver> jhodapp, birth certificate had rips in it. it is 28 years old\n<bobweaver> seal was all flattened and what not.\n<jhodapp> bobweaver, so they were questioning the authenticity of it?\n<bobweaver> and it did not have watercolor as they did not use it back then\n<bobweaver> I think\n<tgm4883> watermark?\n<bobweaver> or that it just was not good enough I sent in that time got denial letter in the mail and of cource they kept the 140 fee\n<bobweaver> yeah the birth certiface must have water mark now-a-days\n<bobweaver> home-land-security (I think )\n<bobweaver> tgm4883, http://www.visarite.com/birthcertificate.htm << watermark and my seal was just about flat for 28 years of storage\n<bobweaver> like you have to have one or the other seal that is raised or watermark\n<bobweaver> this new just has watermark that I got today\n<tgm4883> I had to go get a new one\n<tgm4883> as I don't have an old one :/\n<bobweaver> I might as well and throw the old one out\n * bobweaver is powerful turns out that when I was born the hospital lost power. \n<bobweaver> no baby pictures\n<jhodapp> lol\n<bobweaver> so it turns out that my BC was not filed until I was 5 days old due to power issues and what not\n<bobweaver> middle of hurricane season I guess in FL\n<bobweaver> also I had my dads birth date wrong\n<bobweaver> which I still can not find\n<bobweaver> I have not talked to him in years\n<bobweaver> last I hear he got arrested with drugs and guns\n<bobweaver> I will google it\n<tgm4883> I didn't even need my dads birth date I think\n<bobweaver> http://ithaca-cortland.ynn.com/content/video_stories/493269/meth-and-heroin-confiscated-in-drug-busts/\n<bobweaver> that's my daddy\n<bobweaver> what a jack off\n<bobweaver> yeah part ten is asking for it and my mothers\n<bobweaver> of the forum that I got from the post office\n<tgm4883> yea they ask for it, but I don't think it's required\n<tgm4883> I'm almost certain I didn't have it\n<bobweaver> lol it is on my OG hospital record of birth\n<tgm4883> unless it's printed on my birth certificate, but I think that is just the place of birth\n<bobweaver> along with little bobby foot prints :)\n#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-14\n<tgm4883`> Saviq, if you're still around ( I know it's late ) any updates for the weekly update?\n<tgm4883`> one of these days I'll remember to ask on Thursday\n<Saviq> tgm4883`, nope, not from me this week\n<tgm4883`> ok thanks\n#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-16\n<asker> hi\n#ubuntu-tv 2013-09-14\n<James_Epp> I followed the steps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Contributing for ubuntu 12.04.3 in a virtualbox VM but all I get is the main panel, desktop background and no launcher after the reboot. 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#snappy 2015-10-12
<dholbach> good morning
<clobrano> good morning
<Chipaca> goood morning people!
<mvo> hey Chipaca, good morning!
<Chipaca> mvo: how's things?
<mvo> Chipaca: busy, but good otherwise, how are you?
<Chipaca> mvo: considering breakfast
<Chipaca> :)
<mvo> Chipaca: do it!
<Chipaca> mvo: i need to fix the ... | {
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#ubuntu-design 2012-01-16
<dholbach> good morning
<bkerensa> sladen: Any chance of seeing a Ubuntu 125x125 web badge with the latest design guidelines?
<MrChrisDruif> A 125x125 web badge with the "latest" design guidelines? Where can I find those guidelines bkerensa ?
<MrChrisDruif> Do you mean the COF with that web ba... | {
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#juju-dev 2012-10-29
<rog> niemeyer: mind works find, i *think*
<rog> s/mind/mine/
<rog> s/find/fine/ :-)
<Aram> rog: any idea how to rewrite code that uses /srv in Plan 9 to run under plan9port?
<Aram> I'm trying to port history(1).
<Aram> davecheney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1315554/
<davecheney> Aram: ty
<Aram> cheer... | {
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#ubuntu-uk 2011-01-24
<hamitron> 12 C and above is fine
<hamitron> :)
<hamitron> fingers crossed it is just a fan
<hamitron> be freaky if we had same problem on same day
<markjones> http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/1065/avsz.jpg
<hamitron> as I have never had it before
<Azelphur> haha
<hamitron> hehe
<ali1234> hoho
<... | {
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#ubuntu-it-meeting 2011-09-04
<giorgio_> ho un problema ho la srivania tutta grigia si vede solo la barradi sopra e la barra di sotto
<giorgio_> potete aiutarmi
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#ubuntu-news 2010-04-19
<nhandler> akgraner: You should set an irc alias to make that announcement (if you haven't already)
<akgraner> nhandler, not sure I understand what you mean?
<nhandler> akgraner: So you would be able to do: /announceuwn 189 and then have your IRC client send the announcement message to all o... | {
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#ubuntu-ko 2011-06-06
<imsu> ìë
íì¸ì ^^
<imsu> drake_kr: ëë¶ì ì´ì ì 먹ììµëë¤ ã
ã
ã
<drake_kr> ì¤ì¹
<imsu> bundo: ìë
íì¸ì ã
ã
<imsu> drake_kr: 리ë
ì¤ì© ìì¤ ë¶ìí´ë¡ ëê° ì¢ìê¹ì?
<drake_kr> ìì¤ë¶ìí´..ì ì 모르ëë©
<imsu> drake_kr: ì;; ê·¸ë¥ ê°... | {
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#ubuntu-classroom-es 2012-06-13
<ofpprieto> Buenas noches
#ubuntu-classroom-es 2012-06-17
<rhijgal> hola
<rhijgal> alguien habla español???
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#ubuntu-meeting-2 2015-04-07
* dsmythies realizes that we changed from standard time to daylight savings time last month, and so the doc team meeting is not for another hour.
<dsmythies> #startmeeting
<meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr 7 17:31:12 2015 UTC. The chair is dsmythies. Information about MeetBot at htt... | {
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#ubuntu-tablet 2012-10-22
<mhall119> I wasn't before
#ubuntu-tablet 2013-10-22
<mar77i> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install ... I have no idea what I'm doing :(
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#ubuntu-africa 2016-01-11
<Kilos> helloooo africa
<Na3iL> Hey Kilos
<elacheche> Kilos, hello! Check membership ML :)
<Kilos> i saw it elacheche
<elacheche> :)
<Kilos> will be interesting to see what comes up
<Kilos> have you noticed our time is the favourite time for applications
<Kilos> poor popeye
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#ubuntu-it 2011-05-23
<OverMe> oh hi
<Odo> Giorno
<jester-> 'ngiorno
<feynman> ola!!! ragazzi dovrei agire su un computer che sono riuscito a farlo partire solo con la shell di terminale... avrei dei dati da salvare... vorrei trasferirli su hd rimovibile sapreste dirmi come fare a montarlo da teminale e a trasferire i... | {
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#ubuntu-sa 2010-12-30
<Sary> !swat
<lubotu3> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
#ubuntu-sa 2012-12-... | {
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#ubuntu-bd 2011-03-01
<tuhin> hi all
#ubuntu-bd 2011-03-02
<tuhin> hi all
<tuhin> which linux+version u all using here?
<Tanvir> tuhin, hello
<Tanvir> I'm using Ubuntu 10.10.
<tuhin> hi tanvir
<Tanvir> Yes.
<tuhin> what other linux u used beside ubuntu 10.10
<Tanvir> Nothing.
<tuhin> since when using ubuntu?
<tuhin> ho... | {
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#upstart 2007-01-15
<Stev2> Hello, I have a question about starting many daemons in parallel. On my system, i start httpd,smbd,nmbd,httpd,cupsd,avahid,distccd and some others all at once at boot time. Occasionaly one or more of them fail to start, and in the logs then there are errors saying could not bind to 127.0.0.1... | {
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#ubuntu-co 2011-03-07
<SergioMeneses> buenas...
<GoneBq> hola alguien de barranquilla
<same> buenas
<kuadrosx> don same
<same> kuadrosx: q mas hermano?
<kuadrosx> bien bien :P
<kuadrosx> same: como le termino de ir el viernes? :P
<same> kuadrosx: me alegra ome
<Christian> buenas
<Guest42785> buenas...
#ubuntu-co 2011-0... | {
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#ubuntu-phone 2012-01-06
<maxolasersquad> Anyone else seen https://code.google.com/p/monav/
<maxolasersquad> It may be a good solution to have GPS navigation on the phone.
<Guest11875> nice find! we definitely need to have maps and navigationâ¦
#ubuntu-phone 2013-01-02
<h00k> oho look.
<seiflotfy> hey guys
<seiflotfy>... | {
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#ubuntu-irc-helpers 2010-04-14
<h2o> can anyone help me out, please
<h2o> im having problems, whit java
#ubuntu-irc-helpers 2010-04-17
<mrdeadlocked> Can anyone assist me in how to perma OP someone in a channel
<levent_> hi all
<levent_> I am trying to install kerio vpn client on amd64
<levent_> has anyone succeded?
<n... | {
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#ubuntu-lb 2010-12-20
<Elijah__> wow
<Elijah__> we have a FireBlade
<Elijah__> :p
<youssefchaker> Armageddon: ma 3abbarak :P
<Guest68643> hmm
<Guest68643> alienpulse, got you the dvds
<Guest68643> youssefchaker, mish natro
<alienpulse> all righty then :)
<alienpulse> 10x
<Guest68643> yw
<Guest68643> alienpulse, 2 LTS s... | {
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#ubuntu-tv 2012-09-10
<smartboyhw> Waiting for daily update No#10 then now:)
<popey> s/daily/weekly/ ?
<smartboyhw> popey: s/daily/weekly/10 from jhodapp:)
<popey> hah! look what you made him do!
<smartboyhw> OH NO...
<smartboyhw> popey: Anyway he is back:)
<jhodapp> smartboyhw, need something?
<smartboyhw> jhodapp: I ... | {
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#ubuntu-design 2012-06-06
<sladen> jnick_tait: is mattchap in today?
<jnick_tait> sladen, yes indeed
<sladen> jnick_tait: okay-dokey. I'll go and see the Tower Bridge lift at 15:30, and then head to Blue Fin after
<sladen> night night all
#ubuntu-design 2012-06-10
<thorwil> godbyk: 10.04 second edition, now? 0.o
#ubun... | {
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