I just forgot their name, so uh you're i sorry, I just forgot them all. So I have to write it down.

Okay.

So.

Fine.

Do you know them or.

The names?

Yeah.

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Yeah.

Jens.

Yeah, no, but your b your surname.

Uh Damman. D_ A_ W_.

W_O_ da. Okay.

Uh uh M_ M_. I mean M_. Double M_.

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Paul Wiezer. Paul Wiezer.

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A_ E_ Z_ zee zee

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Uh Martijn.

Yeah, but your surname. Your surname.

What? Uh Abbing. A_ B_ B_ I_ N_ G_.

Okay, thanks.

Uh.

I was a little short on time,

Yeah, me too, so that's not.

but.

Yeah, same here.

No no no, I just fi first my.

Oh. Sorry.

Uh let's see. Which one was mine?

So let's have a look, we have forty minutes, so it's it's more than enough. Okay, perfect. So we have Oh no, what's that? So so we have uh forty minutes for this uh for this second meeting, and we have to make uh sure that we going t that we are sure, that we are,

Good.

that we know what we're going to make uh th what the product is going to like look like. Uh first I have the notes of the last meeting, so I showed uh show them to you. Oh, sorry about that, I just escape this one. How do I escape this? How do I I escape this s uh presentation?

What?

Uh left.

Uh.

Ah okay.

So.

Just Yeah.

And show, sorry. Okay, so let's have a look s at this one. Okay, so the f the f the points we had last meeting was the um Should be a univ uh universal remote control No, that's I uh s I just got a email from the from the personal coach and it should be a T_V_ remote control only. So have you changed that part?

Okay.

Okay..

Um so yeah, it still has to be uh f a r a remote control for kids and elderly. It's it's still the same. Um All these points uh we have to look at. You all know them. But uh there's another point. The um uh the main uh people of interest of this company are forty plus people. So they're old and not younger people. So we have to look at that as well.'Specially old people, maybe bi bigger buttons or something, I dunno.

Yeah, okay.

Uh so So yeah, that's it, so just you can do your presentation for uh.

Which one first?

Okay.

Oh it doesn't matter, just start with the.

Okay.

Mm. Uh.

Functional requirements, yeah

Okay. Well my name is Jens Damman, but we're in a group, and I I will start it. Wait. Um I've used a marketing report on uh the site. Uh I think you've uh read it too. Uh and uh f and furthermore I uh surfed the o the other site.

I I didn't read i read it, so it's not for me,

You didn't read it?

I didn't get it uh anyway.

No, I didn don't thing we got it.

It's only for you.

Oh okay, I I was the only one who get it.

Yeah.

Yes.

Okay it was uh uh uh um um a report about uh an experiment with uh a lot of users. And uh they had a lot of findings in their report uh with statistical uh uh uh thing uh with statistical uh proof. So I um I had three pages with findings and sev a lot of uh a lot of findings. So we can use this uh to uh create our own remote control. Uh seventy five percent of the users find uh most remote controls ugly. Yeah, I think uh uh that's a lot, so we have to make a beautiful remote control. Uh eighty percent of users would spend when uh a remote control will l uh look fancy. I think this fits uh at the uh what what uh Michael said about uh older people. Older people will uh spend more money uh for uh something uh uh what's good. Because younger people are more critical uh about uh uh where they spend their money money at. Uh seventy five percent uh seventy five percent of the users say they zap a lot. Well okay, that's uh normal. I think uh we we have to make uh good zap buttons. But that's one of our requirements.

The last point is quite an interesting.

Yes, fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons.

So

Um Martijn alr already said it.

if we Yeah.

And uh maybe our uh fold open system is is a good one, but I don't think it's uh

Yeah, we should have the ten percent on the on the top,

reachable.

then you're you're.

Yeah, the ten percent on the top, yeah.

Yeah.

That that's a good one. Um uh page two. Remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room. That's exactly what we said about um maybe a home station for uh for it uh to uh recharge the batteries or something. Uh I thought mo maybe we could make a clap system, so when you clap your hands it will beep or something. Uh you must find it uh quickly.

Uh. Maybe just a button on the home station. So remote control beeps when you click that button on the home station.

Okay, yeah. Yeah, we can uh combine that. Uh it takes too much time to learn how to use a r new remote control. Uh I think we must t uh take a look at this. It's only uh th thirty four of the thirty four percent. But it's uh a tough one. Because if we make a ha whole new product, our own style, we we c uh this is so difficult, uh a difficulty I think. Uh next, remote controls are bad for R_S_I_. Yeah, but only if they zap a lot, and they watch over five hours T_V_ or something. I don't We we haven't Uh we mustn't look too much at uh the last point. Okay, last page.

Uh the last uh experiment uh was about gadgets, like uh speech recognition. We didn't uh think about that already. And uh an L_C_D_ on the remote control. We already thought about that. Um uh they finally had a conclusion that younger people um uh under an age of f forty five are uh more interested in new features. And but they're more critical. And older people uh want to spend uh more money. But uh they uh they don't want to uh have a lot of uh new features, because they're in their old uh thinking way. And they want to keep the old uh things the old things..

So we have uh a new uh age of forty plus.

But y But you but you already said that the uh company was about uh forty plus uh clients?

People. So yeah, so we just can skip the L_C_D_ r on the remote control,

I I think we can speak, uh we can skip speech recognition uh directly,

Yeah.

because Yeah.

because it's not reachable for twenty five Euros.

It's too Okay.

Yeah.

Um then I have my personal uh preference. Okay, that's not very good, because I thought about television, D_V_D_ player, stereo and V_C_R_. I had a question about. But it's already out of the question, this. Um my point is, well, I If we ma uh make a a remote uh control for only television, I think it's hard to uh sell it for twenty five Euros. But it's the exercise.

Because it's too expensive. Yeah, probably.

Yeah, only only for television uh On the market you can now buy for twenty Euros a remote control for everything. And we only make it for television, so we mi mm we m must made it make it uh very special.

Yeah, but good usability, so you can use it.

Okay, I told about the home station. Uh it must be simple, because uh our the the elderly people uh needs to use it. And I I found a motto. And we put the fashion in electronics. And that's uh the motto we are uh referenced to uh for our uh our style. We we have to make a a new product. We have to be um Yeah. One of a kind, I think.

So it has to look uh uh uh unique,

Unique.

The company is about our uh th th their own fashion, their own style.

but Yeah.

Yeah, I reckon.

But old people are not looking for that.

Uh I think mm.

Not really.

Uh.

Yeah. I think the main thing is the usability, that's where we can uh make it a special product.

Yeah.

Yeah,

Okay. Yeah.

to k to keep it simple when you.

But uh we also have to stand out,

Yeah.

Sorry I thought about it, yes.

'cause there are already, like you said, so many controls out that support lot of stuff. But we have to make sure that we're better usability, and stand out by just looks of it. So make it just a different colour or different shape,

Yeah. Okay.

so.

Okay, this was uh my presentation.

Thanks.

Okay.

I don't.

So

Yeah.

Paul, you can do the next one if you want.

You can ask some questions or something.

Okay. Yeah well Uh.

It's on the on the uh net net uh thing,

There it is.

isn't it?

Okay. Technical functions design. Okay, well, so we have s mm uh broad audience. Isn't that isn't true anymore. But um we have elderly people, so we need to keep it simple. Uh the way I want to keep it simple is to use the sen uh standard. So standardised uh methods like uh on all uh remote controls. Not too full, like uh Jens already said, only ten percent is being used.

So what do you think of only the numbers and the on-off button or.

Yeah, I have it on the next page.

Okay.

But yes uh basic functions like numbers and that sort of stuff. Um so the options that we put on there should be easy to use, and'cause you have more room then, and for elderly people big buttons. Uh an icon on it or text on it, so it's very clear what that buttons does. So it doesn't take much time to figure out uh how to use it. Um a way to find out uh what people use is maybe just to use uh questionnaires on the internet or just ask some random people, elderly people what they use, what they want on a remote control

Yeah.

to find out. But there is already in a one done. Of functions I could think of. Uh volume, channels, the the basic according to. Just one two three etcetera. Uh text service options. Um basic on-off. And I found an uh Could I think of favourites? I always look up the same um pages on text and always have to click the number.

Okay.

But if you could make a new option, that you just have to press one button and you get on your.

Yeah, but then you have to remember what favourite is what channel. So you might as well remember the number. Or not?

Maybe i maybe it's too complicated,

No y

but not sure.

Well

It's a good idea, but.

it's It was just a thought. So I'm, I u I would find it handy, I think, when you just press one button and you get on six six six.

Yeah, okay. But um how can you remember what uh channel uh connects to what favourite button?

Well uh

Uh.

what I was reading on the page. Uh a remote control just sends commands, basics commands to uh the television. So switch to channel six.

Yeah?

So uh button six says says six. And if you make favourites, it can say six six six in a row. Just numbers. That can be in the in the.

Yeah okay. But uh uh for a user to to remember, if I press that button it goes to that channel.

Well if you said a favourite.

Yeah, but isn't it hard to remember? Like favourite one and.

Uh mayb for me it's.

Well i

If I use my telephone, I never use those buttons to to to call sh Never.

Never? Oh.

No, neither do I.

So.

Oh are you?

And.

Okay now, m maybe not.

If I don't do it, maybe old people.

No, maybe elderly people uh. Right.

Yeah, I dunno.

They don't like new features. So maybe not.

Mm-hmm.

Um well play, pause. I dunno if that's usable

It's not, it's still not It's not anymore n uh.

when Not anymore for T_V_.

Right, on off. I dunno, miss Did I miss any other buttons, basic buttons? I couldn't think of any other,'specially not for T_V_.

Um.

Just on the front as well. No, that's the only th the only thing you need.

Is.

Uh uh the p uh next and previous. Previous I know, but next channel?

Just the channel um uh What I mean is uh.

I don't thi

Forward.

Li like a web browser,

Six seven eight or five.

so Oh, okay.

Just very simple.

But uh um there's also a button to uh go to the channel you've been before. Like a web browser back button.

Um I dunno.

Uh Yeah,

I don't have Uh I did.

I know what it is, but I think it's all too difficult for old people..

Yeah,

No. Uh.

I don't think you use that. Y only when you want to go to.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, just use uh when you wanna switch between channels all the time.

And how do you want to uh do it, like if you have a channel above ten?

Yeah.

Normally you can press one, zero or.

Yeah, I think um f Especially for older peo elderly people use standard buttons. So you have that uh.

A ten plus or.

Yeah, the ten plus button. Just uh one one pressing, or quickly after each other.

Okay.

To just keep it simple and standard uh features.

Yeah, w wouldn't it be a problem to uh Because you h have to be fast enough. Maybe the elderly people.

Uh yeah mayb

It gets some seconds.

But I think that's in the T_V_ as well. That's how the uh the T_V_ T_V_ handles it. But you can have a button that says um two two st two stripes.

Oh okay. Yeah.

Yeah, it's it's no it's not a.

So you have uh like a five seconds period to press those two buttons.

Yeah, but that's th mm.

It's what Paul says. It's not a remote control uh uh that um uh makes the T_V_ um do one two. It's the T_V_ who depends that it must be two seconds or three seconds or one second that you must uh type one or two.

Okay.

So if you have a universal T_V_ controller, you needed one button that has two uh stripes.

Yeah.

So we have a a period of, I dunno, five seconds to press those buttons, and that And not for elderly people to look, one two uh press and aim and.

Yeah. Yeah.

But do we still need a two level remote control? Because if we only have that l only f

It's only for television now.

So I I don't think so.

No.

Uh I just thought of another one.

No.

Most things in modern T_V_s are also on the menu.

Yeah.

So you also need a menu button. And then uh navigation uh But we can integrate that with volume and previous and next,

Yeah.

so you have

I I think you ha really have to divide between functions you often use, like um uh m maybe uh switch channels and uh volume and k that kind of things, and uh the menu button.

four arrows.

Because you n almost never use menu button.

Yeah, okay,

So.

but um.

Maybe it's still still a good idea, I'm not sure. You'll also have to use a mute button to to.

Yeah, a mute button. Yes.

Maybe, not.

Don't think so.

I don't know where where you have to put it.

Yeah well,

that's that's I think that's the layers that produce. Now I have to figure out what's uh what to put on. What we're gonna use.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's right.

And later we can d uh do the design.

Okay.

Okay, uh now my personal preferences. Uh using the standards, basic Um I think that we should stand out uh unique, being unique with the design. So we have to, I dunno, uh make a different shape than usual. So when you are in the shop and you see our T_V_ controller hanging, that it stands out. Not just in in the row when you see all the same uh remote controls.

Yeah. Does it have to be Uh it has to be uh with different colours

Um I dunno. Different colours um.

or.

Maybe we can give it out in different colours. You can choose blue or yellow

It's like a iMac or something.

or.

Just to make it.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Well why not? Or Yeah.

That's fa That's fancy. That's uh fashion.

But it looks cheap as well, because it's a small thing. It's only twenty five Euros. It looks very cheap if you make it.

Well, maybe you can look at uh mobile phones.

Oh, you just I dunno what happened.

Oh.

Who?

Yeah, we have to look at mobile phones, that's right. Just.

They they're uh designed very well.

Yeah.

And well basically are the same, just a bit smaller. You think you can't make a T_V_ controller too small,'cause then you will always lo always lose it.

Yeah.

But uh well, I think that's a good example.

Okay,.

Okay.

we hurry up a bit, because otherwise we won't make it.

Okay, sorry.

Is it fin Are you finished?

Well uh.

Okay.

Yeah, I I'm finished. I think we discussed everything.

Okay. Well, the working design. The method I used is uh search the web. Just the web page provided. Um Basically I'm I'm not very technical uh uh educated, but uh I could figure it out. Um basically what happens is you press a button, uh then a circuit gets closed by pressing the button, uh like a switch. And by closing that certain circuit, the chip knows uh what bu button is pressed. So like you press a one, that circuit is closed and uh Then the chip produces a pattern. Like a Morse code to uh And and sends that to the uh L_E_D_. That's the uh light emitting diode, I think. Um and the light emitting diode is uh producing infrared light. That's un uh invisible to the human eye. And uh transmit that uh to the T_V_. However it has also an uh a visible uh diode that's uh blinking red if you look in it. And that's uh another diode, I believe.

Mm-hmm.

Because infrared is not visible. So that's er uh do two different things

So we we also have to have a LED li LED light on it?

but Yeah. I I think so..

Uh j Is.

I I'm not sure if it's the same thing.

Yeah, it's I think it's usable.

Ain't it just to to indicate that it's transmitting?

Yeah, that's active.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Or just a green one,

So.

because it's If you use it, it's green or the red, it's r green.

Yeah. Maybe uh.

I I think it's in the case that it's active. It's not uh.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, when you press it.

But if you.

So.

I it's it's just uh the the.

Red's l shows up like something's wrong,

Two?

and green is like it's okay, you press the button.

Mm.

Yeah, I dunno.

Maybe depends on uh.

Ma on on most on most uh uh remote controls it's red.

Yeah, I know.

Yes.

So.

Yeah.

Okay, we make it red.

But maybe.

So

Well

I know.

we don't have to make it red. Maybe integrate it in the design as well.

You have to The whole the whole uh remote control becomes uh green if you press the buttons. Uh that's cool..

I I think uh the batteries will be uh a little.

Uh Oh,

Empty.

maybe it's it is would an e No. Just uh.

No, we have a recharger in it, so.

Oh.

Yeah, okay.

If we can still make that then.

Uh maybe.

Yeah, but it doesn't have to be red.

It's just to indicate something's on.

Yeah.

Yeah. That it's working. That it's not not the batteries are low.

But it's cool if it was green.

Yeah. It's it's not very important,

Green or red or whatever, it is cool..

so yeah.

Yeah, I know. Just to indicate it's working.

So mm.

And uh the receptor in the T_V_ senses the pattern. So we have to understand what patterns are used to, you know, to make it universal. So that it can be used with all the T_V_s. We have to really understand what patterns are used, so we can uh o On the Otherwise it won't work.

So we have to uh make buttons for that as well, to make it uh.

No. I I uh The chip um uh is producing the pattern. So we have to make a chip that produces patterns to, y you know, to.

Okay.

Yeah.

An automatically search function for each television, or something.

That are working. Yeah, or I dunno how it's uh exactly how it works. It wasn't explained there.

Well, I I use a universal uh remote control,

Uh I kno

and list of all the T_V_s you have, etcetera. And you have to put in a number, so it works on your T_V_.

Yeah? Okay.

Oh, I have a modern one.

And the modern one you you uh you type uh search, and the LED began to blink blink blink. And uh uh uh after uh a short time the television turns off. And then you know, oh it it's the right one. And you can stop it,

Ah okay.

and then it's okay. So you don't have to search for your television or your code.

Okay.

It uh search uh the pattern for itself.

Okay,

Okay, yeah.

so we use that.

So it uh We have to make a a s a bit more intelligent chip than the standard one. Because you have to.

Yes.

Yep.

Yeah.

I just say Can you s just say it again, because I was just looking There's just a short.

Uh okay. Well uh y you have this chip.

Yeah.

That's uh when the circuit is closed, it produces the pattern.

Mm-hmm.

But uh ma basically for uh brands of T_V_ these patterns are different. So like when you press a one on one T_V_ it go go to one. And on the other T_V_ it won't work, basically. So uh basically what you have to do is uh get these patterns right.

Yeah.

And uh by d uh that can be done by uh just uh cha yeah, changing this pattern all the time.

Changing the signal.

And um What he's doing when he's configuring this pattern, this chip, uh is trying to switch off the television. And when it's uh switched off, you can push a button as uh it's working now, so And then he saves that setting

Okay. Yeah.

and then um it's working.

Yeah, that's the right uh option.

Okay. Well uh the components.

Yeah, that's a bit technical, and I hadn't I w I was a little short on time. Um but I think I understand it. Um the energy source is uh the battery, basically.

Yeah.

Um that's connecting to all the components.

Because it has to be fed with energy. Okay. Uh the subcomponent is uh w I I think it is uh the button pressed. So basically when you press a button, a switch get closed. Um that's connecting to a chip. So the chip knows what button you pressed. And the chip sends out uh the pattern to the infrared bulb. I didn didn't put the description by this one. Th this is a normal bulb. So the normal flashing light.

Okay. So that's the LED, L_E_D_.

Yeah. Yeah, and this is a LED too.

But this one is producing infrared light

Yeah, okay.

that's invisible. And this one is producing normal light.

So we can make the normal one also a normal light. Not a LED light, but as a normal one. To flash up your.

Yeah.

Uh if you if you use the buttons, uh both of them works. But one you can't see and one indicates that you use a button.

Yeah.

Yeah, presu Yeah yeah yeah. Because uh when you button press a button and it doesn't work, it can Basically if the battery is low, it won't work.

Yeah. Yeah, and.

Maybe you have to uh put uh a small light around the button you push. So you see green if you push that button.

Huh, that's a good idea.

Mm I think it's unnecessary power uh you use then.

Yeah, but if you u if you do that, you know that you're uh sending a signal.

No, y Yeah.

Okay.

And it's you also know which button you p

But then have to be on the in the all uh remote control have to be LEDs.

Yeah, that's right. But it.

Everywhere in the r

But does it make any difference for the energy you use? You got still one LED.

No I don't think so, but Yeah, i it it will look different, and I think we need to find something else.

That looks different, yeah.

Yeah.

Hmm.

'Cause otherwise we will just make another standard, and our uh motto also is.

Is LEDs uh beneath the the buttons?

Yeah, w around the buttons, or in the buttons even.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, but mm like when you push it

Yeah, then then won't Then you won't see it.

n n Yeah. You have your finger over the button. So you can see.

It must be around it then.

Yeah. Or or m maybe on top of the A green light is flashing

Yeah, then.

or.

Yeah. Not not not not here, but here.

Yeah. There. Yeah.

Maybe uh.

The same as a telephone, or a mobile phone, or what do you mean?

Yeah, we're thinking about it.

If you push.

Uh on a mobile phone, in the dark uh

It lights up. Everything lights up. That's a good idea.

everything lights up. Why ain't that on a remote control?

Yeah.

It it only takes a l a little energy and it's not that much.

Yeah, if uh a mobile phone a phone can do it, it's.

Okay.

It's f Yeah.

Yeah.

Maybe that's a good idea for old people as well.

Yeah, i if you're in the dark, you can't see the remote.

Mm-hmm.

It's only few LEDs. Only four or something. Four LED.

Yeah.

No, I dunno. But if we use a battery station, which I think we will use.

Yeah,

Yeah, that's a good idea, okay.

I uh.

Yeah. We'll have enough power

Everything agre

to.

Everyone agrees with that, or Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yep.

Maybe what Paul said, uh under the on the on the home station, uh a button to uh to call your uh remote control, that it beeps.

Yeah, and then you Okay, yeah. But you have to make a sound device in it then.

And also it's.

Yeah, there must be sound in it.

But.

Hmm.

Yeah.

Okay, it shouldn't take much.

I dunno.

Yeah. B maybe it's that that's a little too hard to make. Especially for that kind of money. Because it's i it has to be.

Mm uh, twenty five Euros, I think we can make it.

Uh I th

Yeah. Production cost is uh t uh twelve and a half.

Bec Twelve and a half, okay. But but we only have to make it for television, and um we must have something special.

Yeah, okay.

I think uh you also have uh remote controls with a lot of options.

So.

But we lose about ninety percent of those options. So I think you can uh.

Uh. We have to give our customers some extras.

Yeah. I think we will save money with that.

Yeah, okay.

Okay. Are you almost finished or just.

Yeah, the the personal preference, I didn't fill it out.

Okay. Okay.

Because I was short on time.

No worry.

But um Basically what we could do too is uh have a Bluetooth uh integration.

Yeah, I just want to talk some about some more. So maybe you have to Yeah?

Yeah?

Okay.

Okay.

So this Oh, sorry. Wh what's that? So uh Oh, sorry. We have some new uh project requirements. We have to have a look what they are. They're still in um Uh teletext has become outdated since the popularity of internet. So a teletext option, maybe we have to skip that one. I'm not sure. I don't think so,

No,

but.

and I I think a lot of people use uh teletext, still use.

No.

Yeah, and it's it's on your comp it's on your television. It's only one button. So I don't think it is.

Yeah.

Uh.

We definitely should use it. Um.

Hmm.

Yeah, that's uh what I told you. The remote control should only be used for a television. So that's maybe easier. And um the the forty plus people, I already told you. Oh no, sorry. Oh, this is a problem. Oh sorry about that. The new product should reach a new market with customers are the younger than forty. So it should be flashy or just more interesting.

Okay.

Oh. Mm.

Okay, that's It changes things.

I'm sorry about that. I just I just didn't read it well.

So does it make some decision about that?.

Changes.

Yeah.

Um.

That kinda changes the whole situation.

Uh.

Well yeah, then we have to make some nice features. I think uh the thing in the dark is a good way,

That still stays.

to make it more like a mobile phone. More modern.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's important I think and.

L_C_D_ doesn't work for uh twelve and a half Euros I think.

And I d I don't don't think it's very usable in a remote control, especially when you only have T_V_ functions on it.

Oh.

Yeah.

So.

Mm ah I I don't y you'll use it often, because you can see on the television wh what channel you.

Oh, I'm watching uh the channel one. Okay. No, it's not.

Yeah, I tho I think that's not usable.

No.

So, but uh Yeah. What other features can we put in?

Yeah. I think you you have to make it a bit flashy and and popular. And uh then the usability is not that required, because the Like in the mobile phones, usability is not that good I think.

But uh some of you had uh something to read about um uh speech uh recognition. About you said one and the television turns on one. Is that reachable maybe?

I didn't read.

That's very That's fancy. That's cool.

It's very fashion.

I didn't read any

Twelve and you've got twelve.

b Yeah. Yeah okay.

Mm.

I I know.

Only the numbers, only numbers. Uh furthermore nothing. But only the numbers, one to twenty or something.

Mm.

That should be cool.

Yeah, maybe we have to integrate that as well. If it's possible. But.

If it's possible,

Yeah,

I don't think it's very expensive actually.

I don't know.

I dunno. I didn't read it.

Mm.

Why should it?

Yeah, I think it's.

Uh if i if i

You only have a microphone in it.

Yeah.

I didn't have information about that.

But it has to work. And and and does it have to work only in English, or in Dutch too or.

Nah, maybe.

Ah that's a problem, but.

And and uh w Yeah?

Uh only in English. Only in English I think.

What But uh I dunno how that works then. Uh does your uh Does it lie in the centre of the room and can you scream from wherever

Yeah, it's probably my job to figure that out, but.

uh one to have in channel one?

No, that Yeah, then th we have to think about that. But do do we do it?

Yeah,

It's more if we if we do it.

I dunno. So, is it very usable? That's what I'm looking at.

And and do you have to speak in in like in a thing

Yeah.

or.

Maybe maybe it's too hard to uh to realise that.

Is.

It We have short time to to put it on the market,

Yeah, I dunno.

so that We have to do a lot of testing before we can do that.

Mm Yeah well.

Okay.

Yeah, I think so..

We make uh make uh, we can make th th the new remote control very flashy..

Yeah, and uh and uh.

It's.

In uh indeed uh the languages are a difficult thing. Uh because we we have a lot of languages.

Yeah.

I d Yeah. I don't think it's uh useful enough to take the effort to design something with uh speech recognition.

And and.

Yeah. I think so.

Yeah, and also if if you have a good speech uh speech recognition, you can just throw the uh.

Yeah. A uh someone says that uh give me one Coke, and the T_V_ turns uh to one.

the remote away. Mm. Hmm. Mm. Yeah, okay.

Yeah,

Yeah. Well yeah,

it's not uh.

that's the right command. And then you have to say uh T_V_ channel one, or something. Not just one,

But Hmm yeah, T_V_ one.

but.

Okay, but th that becomes your f Uh uh because that's very hard for uh speech recognition.

Well I dunno. But I don't think, it just ain't useful enough.

Yeah.

So

Mm-hmm.

we have to make some decisions. So

Okay, no speech recognition.

you can see on the uh So we have to know what we're going to put on. Do we, do we make uh a light under the under the n under the numbers and everything? Do.

Yeah, I think so.

If you press something, it lights up for a few seconds, so you can see what other but buttons there are, okay?

Yeah, that's good.

Okay, we just take that one.

Yep.

And what else, we have.

Also the one in the dark. So uh It lights up when it's dark?

Yeah, but it's Oh th I thought would, that that would be the same.

I didn't.

If you push something, it it all lights up.

Okay.

Yeah. Yeah yeah,

Yeah, but um.

it it mustn't work all the time.

Yes, that's what I mean.

It uh uh it have to work only when you use it.

Or you can switch it on or something.

So if you.

Or maybe when you.

No, if you use one button, it must turn uh on for twenty seconds, and then it must turn off.

yeah. It lights up all.

Yeah, that's right. You have to Yeah, that's right. That's what I said. It's the same as the telephone. Yeah.

Okay yeah. D Yeah, alright. Yeah.

And do we use a a Uh what's it called? Like a iMac, if you can look through it. Or just a normal remote control.

Maybe just as an option, w like we discussed, like iPod.

Mm, maybe it's a good idea.

Different colours, uh maybe use even different fonts.

Yeah.

Like uh phones.

Oh yeah.

Different colours. Okay,

Hmm.

so y you just make it th through You look through it?

A see-through. Mm, that's cool.

Yeah. Uh as an option maybe.

Okay. And so the buttons we have, this is, yeah, this is normal. We put in the the simple buttons on the top,

It's the standard.

and probably the the the more complicated buttons down there.

Yeah, uh Yeah,

But you have You had a lot of different buttons.

we but we don't We don't really have any complicated buttons.

Hmm.

Yeah, maybe you have you have to Uh when you use teletec teletext, you can press a green or a red button to go to the next one, or to go to the previous one.

Yeah okay, but Yeah, well w I think the buttons are very easy. With just uh standard buttons we just have so little.

O but maybe you can put um the g the options of teletext on the second level of the remote control. Because you ne almost never use it.

No, I don't need don't need Uh teletext options are only four buttons or something.

Yeah, but younger people I think um more often use the internet and elderly people often use teletext.

Yeah, that's right.

I use teletext as well.

So uh.

No, I use te teletext every day, I think.

Hmm. Okay.

Yeah. For me too, it is. So we just keep it one level then? Okay.

Yeah yeah, one level. And I think, uh'cause um we don't have that many buttons,

Mm.

I think the design is most important. You can d uh integrate the buttons in the design very much.

Yeah.

Yeah.

'Cause simple buttons.

Okay.

If you put one above it, it's clear.

Okay. So that's it for toda for We're going to have a lunch lunch break. Um.

How long is lunch break?

So yeah, you know what you have to do. This is uh this is it. You get your meal and everything, so.

Trendwatching. Okay. That's fine.

Yeah.

Yo.

So, we're finished for t for this time. We're going to have some lunch.

Okay.

Bye.

Yeah.

Yeah..

Mm. Uh.

Question: Why did the Project Manager think that older people like to spend more money than younger people?

Response: Project Manager did not think that older people like to spend more money than younger people.

Question: Can you give me a recap of the important topics that were discussed in the meeting?

Response:
Here are the topics discussed in the meeting:

* The new product should only be used for TV and should have features that appeal to younger customers.
* The participants decided to keep the teletext option since it is still widely used by older people.
* The remote control will have a light that illuminates around the buttons when pressed, and also in the charging station when the remote is misplaced.
* The participants discussed integrating speech recognition but decided against it due to cost and feasibility constraints.
* They also considered making the remote translucent or see-through as an optional design feature.

Question: Did the participants decide to scrap the idea of having a battery-powered charging station for the remote control?

Response: The meeting notes do not mention any discussion about scrapping the idea of a charging station for the remote control.

Question: What was the conclusion regarding the idea of having an L_C_D. screen on the remote control?

Response: The participants decided against having an L_C_D. screen on the remote control due to cost and feasibility constraints.

Question: Apart from the decision to not include an L_C_D. screen, what other design ideas were rejected during the meeting?

Response:
Other design ideas that were rejected during the meeting include:

* Having speech recognition capabilities in the remote control.
* Having a translucent or see-through design as an optional feature.
* Integrating complicated buttons on the remote control.

Question: Did anyone voice any objections to the Project Manager's view that older people prefer to spend more money on a remote control?

Response: The meeting notes do not mention any objections to the Project Manager's view about older people spending more money on remote controls.

Question: What were the perceived advantages of having multiple color options for the remote control's design?

Response:
* Having multiple color options for the remote control's design was seen as a way to make the product stand out from competitors.
* It was also thought to appeal to younger customers who are more likely to value stylish and trendy designs.

Question: What was the main objective of the meeting and what were the participants trying to accomplish?

Response: The main objective of the meeting was to discuss and finalize the design and features of a new TV remote control. The participants aimed to create a product that would appeal to younger customers, while also considering the needs and preferences of older users.

Question: Besides the concern about speech recognition being too expensive, were there other reasons why the participants decided against including it in the remote control's design?

Response: There is no information in the meeting notes about other reasons why speech recognition was not included in the remote control's design, besides the concern about its high cost.

Question: What was their reasoning behind choosing to have a light that illuminates when a button is pressed?

Response: The participants agreed that a light that illuminates when a button is pressed would make the remote control more user-friendly, especially for older users who may have difficulty seeing the buttons in low-light conditions.


I'll wait until you're all um hooked up.

Oh good grief.

'Kay.

Okay..

Oh.

Put it on in that way.

Oops.

Thanks. Okay.

Mm.

Welcome back everybody, hope you've had fun.

After lunch. Yeah.

Right um this is our conceptual design meeting,

Mm-hmm.

um I think we're slightly ahead of ourselves from the last meeting,

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah I was getting that impression as well.

I th I I think yeah um.

Mm.

This is where we talk about um properties, materials, user-interface and trend-watching.

Etcetera.

Mm-hmm.

So I think we've touched on a few things to do with that already, but we'll just go over it. Um the minutes from the last time. Um we had a couple of um changes in our plans in that we couldn't use teletext, it wasn't gonna be a control for everything um and that we had to incorporate the image of the company into it somehow. Um we have decided on a leaving out the voice recognition, we've decided on there being a flip design and um a different shape from what's normal. We were thinking a shell, but something along those lines, just a different shape from what's normal, um. You were going to look into the rechargeable batteries

Yeah.

and we were gonna think about the port and an alarm for getting it lost,

things like that,

Yeah.

um and our market was going to be young, business, kind of range.

'Kay.

Okay, so shall we start with the first presentation?

Shall I?

Yep.

Yes if you feel.

Okay. We just connect up.

Thank you. There we go. Okay um so we decided on our market and so this feedback from the marketing department is really about trend watching. Um the methods we used to decide on uh current trends and so on, market trends, were that we did our traditional uh our usual market research study uh with a hundred subjects and the the general feedback from them is that the most im uh w I'm sorry I'm slightly tongue-tied after lunch,

It's okay.

sorry Project Manager. Um we decided on the most important aspect i uh required in a remote control device and we'll come to that later. So that was one of the first things we did. Also with our company um being forerunners in uh putting fashion into technology, we also looked at a fashion update um using our consultants on fashion and design in Paris and Milan. Uh so the general findings from that was uh in the market trends the most important aspect for remote controls were people want a fancy look and feel, rather than the the current functional look and feel of remote controls. They also also want a remote control to be technologically innovative, and of course, as we predicted, that it should be easy to use. Now I should point out that the first of those findings, fancy look and feel, is the most important, is twice as important as the second, technologically innovative, which is in turn twice as important as being easy to use. So possibly that the feature that we put first is actually third is still important, but it's third in order of preference for the the subject group we looked at.

Yeah.

Okay, um, now the fashion update which relates to very personal preferences among our subject group, um we found from our um consultants in Paris and Milan who des attended all the design and fashion fairs there, that fruit and vegetables are going to be the theme for clothes, shoes and furniture. So should we be thinking of using something like that in our remote control design too? There also seems to be um a trend towards a spongy feel to materials, uh again in contrast to last year. So a lot of interesting feedback there, both from our market research departments and from our people in Paris and Milan. Be interesting to see what our design people make of that.

'Kay.

Okay thank you very much. Um

Yep.

let's start from the inside and work our way out.

Fine. It's okay with me.

Yeah, okay..

Unless anyone has any questions about that?

I don't think so, not yet.

Not yet?'Kay.

Um, yes, thank you.

That screwed in?.

Okay.

I hate those little things

Yeah.

especially if you do them on too tight and you can't get the leverage on them to undo them.

I know.

'Kay,.

Okay.

Okay. Um this is uh all about the design of the actual components and the availability of the components we have in stock at the moment. Okay, first uh the Into the method. The the main idea of the whole thing is just so you sh you just press buttons and it should activate things on the T_V_ and we discussed last meeting that it should be easy to find. Um also in this study I've looked into the availability of some of the materials,'cause some of the things that we looked at last time aren't un unfortunately aren't available.

'Kay..

Um, findings, I've got my nice little picture there. This is uh the chip called the T_A_ double one eight three five which is what's used in pretty much every remote control'cause it sends out standard signals, based on your input and um it's pretty much used for all all T_V_ remotes at the moment.

'Kay.

Um and then we we're loo looking into battery options.

There's um actually no rechargeable option available, so we I saw the um the standard double A_ and triple A_ which we thought were a bit bit too bulky at the moment, dynamo charging, I thought that that might be a bit silly to be to be honest,

Wa can you explain that?

people won't it's it's basically like wind-up radio.

Like a right, okay.

So you wind up your remote control before you use it.

How what kind of how l long can you get out of that,

It might.

I mean can you pick it up and then wind it for two minutes and then that's it for the night? Or.

You Yeah, yeah, oh yeah I presu you wouldn't have to wind it for very long, but I don't I don't think it's really sort of necessary when you th you think of the next two options, like the the solar charging,'cause most people have the light on in the room anyway so they could get when when you got T_V_.

That doesn't count though does it?

Does does light charge as as sunlight does?

I thought it was U_V_ like.

No.

Artificial light?

Is it? Alright i

Any, any.

Has to be solar.

Yep. Regarding those sizes, which one you think will be light because we we have to take into consideration size also, so maybe a standard triple A_ might take lesser space or and dynamo might take more space.

Yeah it would the d yeah the dynamo would take more space'cause you actually need a physical sort of handle to wind up.

I'm pretty sure that solar is from the sun.

Yeah, okay.

Uh, I don't think it counts electric lights

Mm. Artificial light, no.

no, but I mean not many you don't want to limit your market.

That's going to.

I mean people who live in basement flats there's not that many people, but there are people.

Uh.

I know,

But.

different parts of the world too, if we're if we're marketing internationally.

Yeah

Right.

and most people most people also watch T_V_ in the in the night anyway.

Night.

Mm, but then it would be charging through the day, I think the point is that it charges through the day and then you've got it charged for the evening.

But I I think I think the the next one's the best anyway.

Okay.

The the kinetic charging which is like you get it in r you get it in wrist watches

Yeah I've seen.

and you d you don't even notice it. I mean the amount the amount of probably moving around you'd be doing all the time would would charge it up, I don't think you'd ever need to actually physically start shaking it up to make it work.

And are these like uh what are the life of the kinetic battery, it like it runs for long time?

Um yeah it's it charges into um some form of it's a smaller cell which it charges into and uh the si the size sort of a watch a watch battery,

Mm-hmm.

'cause they use them quite frequently in watches.

Okay.

And that'll that would l would last for um well I do I d I'm not entirely sure how long it would last but I've never seen one run out.

We c

But then if you think about a watch, it's on your wrist so it's on your whole bod it's on your body the whole time

Yeah.

so you're walking around, you're doing things, it is moving a lot of the time. If you'd.

Yeah and.

I mean you switch the T_V_ on, then you put it on the side, then you pick it up to change it and then you put it on the side.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah but then again

Is it really gonna be enough?

I I think it is because if you think about it, the watch, although it's only a tiny amount it's it's um it's always moving for the whole day and they don't run out over night when you leave them on the side.

Okay.

And th for the same the same reason, you're only using it for a v incredibly short amount of time just to send the signal and then you're finished with it

So it's not the draw on it isn't.

and you put it.

Hmm.

no no I do I don't think the the draw on it would be.

Mm-hmm. Mm.

Okay.

Could I just ask referring back to solar charging, is that compatible with um standard batteries?

Mm.

I mean, could people put standard batteries in but with a s you know they could leave it in the sunlight for solar charging

Ye yeah I think I th uh g y you could have a dual um power thing

or the two things not compatible?

Like a dual kind of.

but the the thing with the solar cells is you would need to put them on the case and they because, if you lie on a calculator they they're qui they're quite big and they all they all look i identical.

Mm. So that affects the exterior design.

Solar would be slightly expensives.

Expensive as well. What kind of price are we looking at for.

They're they're expensive, they don't.

It's twelve point f

I presume the normal batteries are the cheapest?

Yeah the normal batteries would be the cheapest I'd presume then it would actually be the the solar charging ones, um but the It's i I think they're not very resistant to dropping,

Solar.

'cause if you drop stuff yeah if you if you have y

Well they're not designed.

the size you'd need to charge a remote wouldn't be that big but I mean if remotes always get thrown around and stuff, so.

Practical-wise okay.

Y I think yeah, practically. I mean calculators you don't really throw around a lot whereas remotes you do,

You do get a bit of wear

they can t

but don't calculators have a battery in them as well?

Yeah they do, they yeah they've got dual things, but they're the batteries are smaller I think.

Mm.

Mm.

Another question is like.

Again it de

sorry. W w which one would last the longest, because we don't want customers to be like you know charging like a mobile phone every day.

Mm.

A remote control, like,

W m yeah

so we have to s look at the life also.

Mm.

so the Yeah the the s if you if you had something du uh using the standard batteries and the solar charging, um, I don't think you'd I think the it would d well you know how long the standard double A_s would last in or triple A_s would last.

It would just detract from the attractiveness of the of the whole feature,

Yeah I think i I think it would, yeah.

i it's not gonna add anything, okay.

Okay, can we add in uh an attachment to closing feature?

Okay.

Can we think about that?'Cause if we're doing the kinetic thing and it's.

Yeah.

Shouldn't we do some market research on that first before we add it in because I I personally.

Well add it in to think about um

right, okay.

because, where am I? If it is the kinetic thing and it is small and it is portable and it is a different shape and the kinetic is something people don't do kind of.

Yeah.

we're doing something original and different um but if you wore it if it's something you could just clip on your pocket then you would have that less, you you wouldn't lose it so much.

Yeah.

But then maybe that's looking at someone who's just sitting on their own rather than

Yeah.

the eternal battle for control of the controls.

It's not something that's come up in any of our uh focus groups and market research,

No.

it's not a thing that people are looking for

Okay.

So.

when we threw it open to the field yeah.

Okay.

But it's something to put on the side to think about maybe.

Okay, right.

Okay, well I'll move on.

Mm-hmm.

Um, my second part of my findings uh the mo most current remotes use this silicone uh P_C_B_ board which pr printed circuit board, which basically has these contacts that are really close together and then when you press down on the rubber button, it'll connect the circuit and each each switch is connected to two uh different legs on the chip and so sends a different message and that then uh gets translated by the chip into a code and then it's fired out of this L_E_D_ in the sequence of l on and off bursts.

What kind of things do we have to consider there? Can we what kind of size, does it come in varying sizes or is it just one size and we would have to fit the design of.

Well well this the thi the thing about is um they they can be as big or as small as you want them to be because you can you can print circuit board like that that it's it's simply spaced like that so you can have fit the n the size of the nine buttons in. If you if you see how thin the tracks are, you could you could s you could put them virtually right next to each other and have a much smaller switch on each one,

Mm-hmm. Okay.

if you if you wanted to but um the there is an option to do to do it like that, or you could have some sort of array of switches which I'll speak about in the next bit

Okay.

so that And then to uh yeah, so to conserve battery life the remote should be in a standby mode no while not being used. Now what I was thinking about that was'cause sometimes when y when you have these things, they've got little lights on behind the buttons, so you can see what all the buttons are, like on a mobile phone, they do it more often than on a than on a T_V_ remote,

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

but you could you could have lights behind the buttons and um after like five or ten seconds of not being used I'd have that turned off, if we decided to go for buttons that could light up.

Okay.

Um, the case material, I've a been sent what the factory can actually give us, the there's the plastic which I think we were gonna go for anyway as the main case case housing

Mm-hmm.

and the the main problems with the well you could go for wood but I think it would be a bit impractical. Titanium um very expensive just to process,

Mm.

which to make it is expensive, and rubber, well you're saying that people like this uh spongy feel this year, so perhaps uh some something made of rubber,

Mm.

but I was thinking more of the buttons, because the buttons which they've they've said that they've they've put across are what is used in some stress ball manufacture and it's meant to be anti R_S_I_.

Okay.

Mm-hmm.

I'm no I'm not sure how that would work because surely your fingers would still be moving over the short distances but that's what they said. Um the problem with the casing is that uh there's quite um there's quite a few design restrictions that they've got on the shape of the case. If you go for titanium they can only do a standard box shape, whereas if you come to plastic they can they can be a little more they can they can do sort of curved shapes. But whether whether or not because we'd have it in two separate units

Second thing is.

Hinged, yeah.

for the flip phone.

yeah and second question is like, a mobile you can change the cover, you call it a skin or whatever.

Yeah.

So in this case if you're looking at like a customer can change the colour like from green, parrot green to chilli red or something like that.

Mm.

So is that feature available in like uh titanium,

Yeah I th

or it's like only specific to plastic or.

Uh. Yeah in in titanium I don't I don't think it would be available at all really, the ju just.

Mm-hmm.

it w well you could make it available in the titanium, it was just it would be so expensive to buy a new case for it, because of the expense of how much titanium is is.

Mm-hmm.

it's light and strong but I think it should be left for aircraft design rather than for for a remote.

It does mark quite easily too if you let it fall. I've got a mobile phone myself which is titanium and it does mark very easily if you drop it.

Yeah, yeah.

I was just wondering if we make the basic mould out of plastic but have like a rubber cover that goes over,

Rubber, yeah.

that would give the spongy feel, that also allows us to kind of have different fasciae for the phone.

And you can peel them off yeah.

Yeah.

So instead of the fascia that comes off being plastic, the fascia that comes off would be the rubber,

Like a rubber sleeve almost, yeah.

Something like.

like those pens that you get with the grip, that you can you can pull that off.

Yeah.

Alright.

Yeah.

Mm.

That could be a good idea.

Hmm.

Mm.

It could it would be comfortable to hold on also.

Okay. Mm.

T

Very cheap way of changing the look of it and people can just buy a new one if they want to.

Yeah.

Well that's been really popular with mobile phones so I don't see why not.

Mm. Yeah.

Also the.

'Kay.

just just going back to the interface designs with the buttons, the I kno we were planning to do some sort of touch screen.

Mm-hmm.

Now what I was saying before about instead of having you could have just a bare P_C_B_ circuit board and I'm sure you could probably get it in different colours and so just by touching it with your finger it'd make the connection over if you had them close enough, that would be one option. Um the second option th they offer rubber buttons, but I thought that an L_C_D_ type of screen'cause one they're incredibly thin um and don't take up much space, two they you can have them in a sort of array and you can arrange the buttons on the screen in a sort of set thing and you could have them like a touch

Sorry I didn't get the last part, you're talking of.

display. Uh what what.

Just what you said I I didn't get the uh meaning of it completely, you're saying like.

Oh on the on the L_C_D_ screen you could becau you could fit it.

Uh-huh.

the problem with it basically is that it's flat and so you can't do lots of curve curved things with it,

Okay.

Mm-hmm.

but um you can you wouldn't have with the L_C_D_ you'd have the wires coming off, you wouldn't have that with the with the L_C_D_, you'd only have that with the printed circuit board.

Mm.

With W also with the.

I don't s sorry to interrupt, I don't see why the curved thing is a problem, if we for example had a shell, once we open that.

Yeah.

Oh it would be flat inside.

You could have a flat screen inside, yeah,

yeah, so it'd be f yeah, yeah.

Mm.

but I'm just wondering whether we want an L_C_D_ screen inside.

Have I misunderstood you?

It wouldn't be like full colour, it would just be black and white,

Mm-hmm.

but there'd be touch touch buttons,

'Kay.

so you wouldn't be pressing down on'em, w or we could have rubber buttons which are made of this material which is anti-R_S_I_.

I think it would be good to have a contrast between, if the whole thing is gonna be this rubber thing it would be good to open it up and see something quite fancy looking inside.

Mm-hmm.

Is rubber. Mm.

Yeah.

Now how would you distinguish, if you had it bare, how would you distinguish where you had to press, I mean.

Yeah I hadn't I hadn't really thought of that to be honest.

Uh.

I just had another idea, I don't know if it helps with that, but just to do with the R_S_I_. Is it possible, just as an option, when we open it up, people can use their fingers to press the button, or we have inside like a small pointer thing when people want to.

Yeah you could, you could have some sort of stylus that you could pull out

Like one of the palm pop thing.

but I I think they could get a bit easily lost,

Mm.

Absolutely, f for somebody who very often, if he would.

'cause I had.

Yeah.

It would have to be attached.

They're easy to replace as well, cheap.

Hmm.

a person who switches channels very often or does use a particular function very often will find it very irritating to use a.

Yeah. Yeah.

and he might spoil the touch-pad very fast compared to a button like, if you keep punching with an pointer or whatever.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Mm.

Yeah okay.

Yeah just a thought they wouldn't actually need one and they could use anything they've got, couldn't they? A pencil or a pen, so they wouldn't really need a.

Okay, we'll talk about that so if you finish your.

Yeah that's.

and we'll come back to that.

yeah that that's the end of m my.

That's you, right okay.

And just one small question before like you are, regarding the circuit, since we are hav having a flip-top, we can customise the two circuits for different type of buttons

Yeah.

like we are keeping the standard buttons on the top and the more complex buttons under this thing, so we can divide the circuit like you know.

Uh yeah. Yeah yeah that that would be fairly simple,

Mm-hmm.

I mean you'd you'd actually have two separate you'd have two separate circuit boards but they'd be joined by wires or like some cabling between them,

Okay. Okay.

Mm-hmm.

'cause in the in the actual flip bit you'd have some linking.

I'll just raise another point while it occurs to me, it kind of applies to both our designers here, so I'm not sure how it would fit in.

Mm.

If we flip open, now you know how you've got some mirrors in nightclubs that are mirrors when you turn to them and you turn away and it gives like an advertising display, you seen those?

No.

And they kind of respond to the turn of your body. Is it possible that when we open our flip-top shell it's a little compact mirror and when you press a button it then goes onto the phone display th uh the remote control display thing.

We're marketing to guys as much as we are to women.

Um.

They don't look at themselves? Just a thought.

Well it's a remote control, you were sitting watching T_V_ are you gonna want to sort of open it and say oh shit I should go and have a shower and do my hair before I put the T_.

Yeah. I know what you mean, it's with us using the ideas for a mobile ph.

it's with us using the ideas for mobile phones I kinda got sidetracked onto that I think, okay.

Yeah, no, no.

trying to think of other features we can build in that wouldn't cost too much

Mm.

but maybe we'll leave that one on the side.

Yeah.

Okay.

'Kay.

I mean you can you could do it, you could have a'cause if you if you just put the full charge through an L_C_D_ display it'll completely blank it out,

Mm.

but I don't know if you could get any mirror effect on it, I'm not sure about.

Oh I think forget about the mirror

Okay, okay.

that was just a very quick passing thought yeah.

Okay, uh would like to share something which I did here. First thing is uh basically on design we just took the input from the previous meeting, especially from the marketing and industrial design, to check on the customer needs and feasibility. Second is we checked into competitors, the picture here shows one of the standard models offered by competitors here. So y you generally see there's not much of variety and like marketing team said uh, people need trendy, they are bored of black and white.

Mm.

So you generally see rectangular shape, very monotonous kind of designs here.

Yeah.

And uh second thing is there's too much of confusion here. No particular remote is standard.

Mm.

Like, some some people have a Here you see this? This is on a I I I found th that uh only common feature is the ch uh channel control and uh volume control, rest other buttons, they are in a very disorganized and they are not consistent th with other models and all.

Okay.

Okay, and second as already discussed with William, we are going to have m maybe a G_ G_U_I_ interface in the f in the middle of the flip-top

Yeah.

and g graphic user interface

Sorry what does that stand for?

Which means.

basically which is what we d do in computer, have icons or touch pad or whatever,

Okay.

Yeah.

which is.

If you if yeah if you have like buttons that appear on the screen in this L_C_D_ screen.

Like you have on a l uh icons or something y you have is a good example of G_U_I_ graphic user interface.

Yeah.

Okay.

So basically not point or click Press any particular device, he just has to click on that particular icon to simplify.

Okay.

And on the top m repetitive buttons which are like volume or channel changing and all could be on the pointing device, that means the use of button. So he need not use a pointer to keep changing the channel if a person is frequent surfer.

Mm-hmm.

So we are having a combination of boards, so f on the s simpler board, on the top we have this button, rubber buttons, to keep frequently changing the channels.

Can we swap that round so th that the ones that we use all the time are on the bottom part?

'Cause if you're thinking about holding it you would be using your thumbs to press, just like a mobile phone.

Yeah.

No you'd hold it you don't if you flip it open then you'd be Wouldn't you? Isn't that the idea? You us if we just use the shell as an example again, you open that, you've got your L_C_D_ display there and you've got the buttons there so you're holding it in the palm of your hand, yeah.

Yeah. That's what I was just saying,

Yeah, yeah but you can do it with your thumb li

But.

and then have the and then have the L_C_D_ at the top

Mm-hmm.

and then be able to touch that for the other controls,

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Okay and you mean to the.

so have the um the volume and the programme, things like that,

And the lower distance.

on the lower side.

Oh f perfect.

Okay.

Hmm.

So the findings are too many cluttered buttons. Repetition of certain but buttons which I already explained, example the volume and channel control buttons. All are confusing and in inconsistent. Okay we had a latest finding of voice recognition, there was a mail which mentions that our division has developed a new speech recognition s feature. We have to check into the for financial f feasibility whether we can incorporate it this at a low cost, but for like we had g um s response from the customers that they would like to have the feature of finding it.

Yeah.

So it could be like, where is the remote, and the remote answers I am here.

Yeah.

Some kind of thing or it gives a b bleep sound or some kind of sound

Mm.

and if this can be incorporated this would be more uh you can say trendy also? And technologically innovative also.

Yeah.

So we we can check into the financial feasibility of incorporating this. My personal preferences would be like, as already uh marketing department, they want something to do with fruit so I wouldn't say the design should be like a fruit, but yeah we can take inspiration from fruit colours, like the vibrant colours, uh red chilli uh

Mm.

Yeah.

tomato red or whatever and second thing is cer certain standard buttons we should have, like for example, i if you see the previous slide uh

Well, yeah we.

I think most of the users would now be well acquainted with this cer central pattern, here, so we we we would not change h that particular pattern

Yeah.

because i this is the most consistent thing in all remote controls.

I can't see that, is that play and stop and things?

This is central one, the one you.

Or is that volume and channel?

yeah volume and channel. So keep that m that standardised because that's the most common feature across all models, if you look at all the models, it's here. This and voice recognition.

Okay. Right. Okay. Um I'm not sure how long we've got left, but we need to make a decision about um the things we've discussed. So, we agree on Do we agree on the battery?

The kinetic.

Kinetic?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, that means that there's no function for li the port, you know that it sits in, then pressing the button then having.

Mm.

so we could incorporate voice recognition for the finding it.

Yeah I think.

It's a bi i it's like a g it's a gadget, it's a

I mean if Yeah it is it is qui it's quite a cool feature to have

selling point.

and also if they've got it if they've got these parts already in stock, then it won't be cheap to re-manufacture them,

Mm-hmm.

uh or it will be cheap sorry to re-manufacture them. So do you reckon that's a good idea that, where's the remote, I'm here thing? I think that would be quite fun.

I think the only

Mm.

I think the only pitfall that we would have would be how much it's going to cost if that means we have to cut down somewhere else,

Yeah.

but I think pretty much we've used cheap relatively cheap and simple things.

Yeah.

Mm.

The L_C_D_'s not cheap.

Yeah to s th well it's it's not as expensive as it would be if it was full colour'cause if we've just got a black and white one,

Hmm.

I mean they use them in calculators so.

Yeah, okay.

Maybe we could start with the black and white.

Yeah.

That that way we could upgrade later.

And you could yeah. Okay.

Yeah, we talked about kinetic charging,

Mm.

we've deci seem to have decided on that, did we decide on double A_ or triple A_ batteries?

Mm.

Well you cou um.

Do you want like a back-up?

No, one of the decisions we had to make was whether we had double A_ or triple A_ batteries'cause they've still got to be charged this way haven't they?

K no the kinetic ones come come with um a sort of w watch a battery that goes in a watch.

I oh I see. Right, okay, got you.

So it's a lot smaller, so it would.

Got you on that okay, didn't realise.

Um, okay so we've got battery. The inside components is pretty standardised across the board isn't it?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So there's not a really a decision to be made there, um. The buttons what did you give us as our The bare-board L_C_D_ or.

Yeah the well I think were we're going for the L_C_D_ on that one, on the buttons,

on the on the on on the top one we're gonna

On the top one okay you've got the touch

yeah.

okay and then.

On the bottom we were gonna have the rubber, the rubber ones, the anti-R_S_I_ ones.

Okay, okay.

Sorry could you repeat that last part?

Um, okay on we've got the flip the flip-screen, the top one is gonna be the L_C_D_ and the bottom one is gonna be the rubberised buttons.

L_C_D_ screen. Mm-hmm. Okay.

And for the sorry.

No, it's fine.

For the body design I think plastic, uh w yeah

Plastic,

we could use the body,

For the inside.

okay.

for the inside and uh rubber as a padding or for the grip, something like to add to the design.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm,

so we decided on a rubber casing for the plastic shell, a variety of designs,

Plast right.

Oh I think so, I think so.

okay. and it is just uh although it's rubberised and spongy, apart from that we're just going to go for sort of vegetable and fruit colours, we're not gonna try and make it actually a vegetable or fruit design or anything else, like a shell that we discussed,

Mm no.

No I think I.

just go for the colours.

It's.

we don't wanna be tacky if we've got a kind of different shape anyway

Okay.

um the fact the m the material that we would be using would be cheap, so we could make it red, we could make it um psychedelic, you know, we could make it black and white zebra stripes,

Mm-hmm.

but that's not really what we're focusing on, what we're focusing on is the m you know.

The feel.

yes. So we could just pick anything.

'Kay. Mm-hmm. Is that going to be this image I've got in my head of something kind of shaped like that, maybe about that size, made of plastic, fits into the palm of the hand, rubberised cover that's spongy. Is that really going to fit fancy look and feel which was the major thing that people wanted, market research,

Uh I it's different.

It's just different

is that fancy?

it's just different from everything else and I mean, I'm trying to imagine um clean looking houses,

Mm.

sort of beige and black

Mm-hmm.

um so you either want something that goes with that, which is what's on the market anyway,

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

or you want something that contrasts as you know like you get clocks now that are more of a talking point than an actual clock because they're so interesting and.

Mm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm just kind of pushing at that to see if you came out with anything else, but I mean I totally agree. We looked at those remotes, I mean they are kind of anonymous, very similar looking things.

Mm.

This would definitely be different enough, I just wondered if anybody could come up with something even more.

And you would just have an across the b you would have so many different options that you could do, you could have um a plain black one, you could have sparkly pink glittery ones for your little.

Well the thing is the rubberised covers are going to be s relatively cheap to produce, that if in a year's time we we get feedback from the design fairs that show something else is coming I mean it's so easy for us to just produce that and it can be slipped on,

Mm.

Right.

And ones tha ones that have rubbery spikes.

which is another beauty of it.

y you know, you could just go so far with it,

You can you can just.

Acupressure, you could talk of acupressures.

Yeah.

like a puffer fish, you could just, you could take it wherever,

so I think that's quite a flexible thing.

Yeah.

And finally the body should be retouchable, may maybe ch you can change the body or the case casing the case outside,

Yes.

it should be moulded it with the design in such a way you can change it every time.

Yeah, yeah j with these rubber these rubberised ca

Mm.

not the actual uh plastic outside case, just the rubber thing that goes round the outside.

Okay. The rubber.

Yeah. Okay we've got five minutes, um, or that might've been up for a while.

Fine.

Mm, so can I just recap uh Sarah,

Yeah.

for the decisions that we've made, kinetic charging, the watch-type batteries, um L_C_D_ display on th the top side of the flip top, rubberised buttons on the bottom side, we're gonna use fruit and vegetable colours for the rubber cover, the case itself is plastic. That's how far we've got, what else do we have to add to our decisions here?

Fine, uh we were talking of voice recognition also

Mm.

because that we are not for how to look it uh remote control if it's lost.

Mm-hmm.

So, are we looking at voice?

Yes, it was just, there was just a cost issue with that, but it's a good idea we just need to check on the cost,

Or maybe like uh William was suggesting in the last thing some devices you put on key chains.

is that right?

For l yeah, the whistle.

Oh yeah, yeah the whistle ones, yeah.

So we can if financially voice recognition is not feasible we could go for a whistle.

And incorporating the company logo?

Yep.

Have you.

Uh sorry I didn't mention this, but we'll be incorporating in the design.

Mm.

Okay.

'Cause I took it from the feedback you gave in the last meeting from y from y your report, it's not just a case of having a little R_R_ hidden somewhere, they do want it to be obvious that it's our product

Well they do,

don't they?

but I think we can you could.

Since it's the only one of its kind on the market it's obviously gonna be ours.

well it is, it is, I think you just address that with um advertising.

Yeah.

Um, you associate the name with the individual product that it is

Yeah.

and that does the work for you.

Okay.

Obviously it'll have a logo on it just like everything, but everything else has a logo on it. The point is that it's got to stand out somehow differently but I think it does, without that

Okay.

so I'm not worried about that.

Okay. Did we I know at the last meeting we spoke about a beeper, I think that was you talked about a beeper for a location, have we just rejected that in favour of voice recognition then?

Depending on how i.

Yeah, depending on the expense of it.

I mean we've got this memo saying that it's something that the company's looking into, so

And they've got in stock, so yeah.

um that seems to make sense, but if it turns out that it's hugely expensive we'd have to cut down somewhere else, then it's worth thinking about. But I think we'll find out more about cost afterwards.

Yeah.

Right I'm going to wrap it up there.

Okay.

Fine.

I got a end meeting now message on my mo

Mm-hmm.

yeah

Did it?

Yeah.

so. Um

Again a questionnaire huh?

so I think we've probably got it says, closing we have forty minutes

You got to go through.

so I um think we've probably got about that time before we come back.

It's either that or we only had forty minutes to discuss what we just discussed and don't know how long that took.

I think we are pretty going in a clear direction now.

Is everyone happy? Okay.

Question: What was the main objective of this meeting?

Response: The primary objective of the meeting was to hold a conceptual design discussion. This included exploring properties, materials, user interface, and trend-watching.

Question: What topics, if any, had questions raised during the meeting that were not given an answer?

Response:
The meeting participants raised a few questions during the meeting that were not given an answer. They include:
* Whether a kinetic battery and a solar panel could be used simultaneously.
* The expected lifespan of the kinetic battery.
* Whether it was possible to make the case for the remote control using a material other than plastic.

Question: Besides the aforementioned questions, were there any other topics or questions not addressed during the meeting?

Response: There were no other topics or questions not addressed during the meeting. The participants covered all the agenda items and made decisions on each topic discussed.

Question: Besides the feasibility of voice recognition, were there other financial considerations that were discussed during the meeting?

Response: There was no mention of any other financial considerations discussed during the meeting. The feasibility of incorporating voice recognition was the only financial concern mentioned.

Question: Besides the lifespan of the kinetic battery, were there other features discussed during the meeting that had questions raised about their feasibility?

Response: The participants discussed the feasibility of voice recognition for the remote control due to its high cost.

Question: What advantage did the participants see in using a kinetic battery?

Response:
The participants saw a few advantages in using a kinetic battery, including:

* No need to recharge or switch out batteries.
* Kinetic charging occurs during normal use of the remote control.
* Kinetic batteries are smaller than standard batteries, allowing for a more compact design.

Question: Can you summarize the discussion about the user interface?

Response:
- The participants decided to use an LCD screen for the top part of the flip-top and rubber buttons for the bottom part.
- They also discussed the possibility of incorporating a graphic user interface (GUI) in the middle of the flip-top for a more user-friendly experience.

Question: Can you provide me with a concise summary of the key points discussed and decisions made during the meeting?

Response:
Key points discussed and decisions made during the meeting:

* The participants decided to use kinetic charging for the remote control.
* They chose an LCD screen for the top part of the flip-top and rubber buttons for the bottom part.
* The case material will be plastic, with a rubberized cover that can be changed for different designs.
* Voice recognition will be incorporated if it is financially feasible.
* They decided to use fruit and vegetable colors for the rubberized cover.

Question: In the meeting, were there any tasks or deliverables identified that needed to be completed after the meeting?

Response: No, there were no tasks or deliverables identified that needed to be completed after the meeting.

Question: Was the main focus of this meeting to discuss color options primarily?

Response: No. Color options were not the main focus of this meeting. They decided to use fruit and vegetable colors for the rubberized cover, but the main focus was on the design, materials, and features of the remote control.