Two.

Hello. Hello.

Good morning.

Hello. Ah.

You have to put it exactly on the on the yeah.

Plate?.

Okay.

Good morning.

Good morning.

I took your mouse.

Should I bring my uh pen too?

Yeah just yeah, no,

Or.

that's for me, I just have to make some notes. I got my uh mouse.

Okay.

Uh I also forgot my mouse,

Mouse.

yeah.

but I don't need my mouse, I think.

I do.

Come on. There we are.

My laptop is crashing.

Damn computers..

Cr

Help help help.

Let's just check one more time. Mm.

Can you hear me? Hello?

Uh actually my laptop doesn't work,

Test.

switch it on again.

I dunno.

Oh no.

Check. Okay. I think it works.

Test test. Yes, it's working.

So you all read what we are going to do or not?

Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Yeah.

We're gonna make a remote control.

Yeah, that's right.

I think my laptop is a bit

etchy.

I just made a a simple uh presentation. So you put some things in it.

Okay. How does this work? I dunno..

One uh most to the right.

Uh p

Yes that one.

This one?

Yes.

Press F_ eleven.

Ah cool. Okay. So

that's my name,. Uh we're going to make uh a remote control, you already know that. Just have a look, are we going to uh this agenda of our meeting. You know, this is about twenty five minutes, this meeting. So um the thing we have to know is you already know what we're going to do, you also read what this the things or, not yet,

Yes.

okay. So um, yeah, it has to be original, trendy, user-friendly that's what we're going to design. Uh first we have uh uh three steps of uh making the the remote control. Fir the first thing is th the functional design, that's very important. We have to look what the needs are, the effects of the functional design, and and how the mm the the remote control works, so that's where we're going to look in the functional design, it's for the f next meeting. The the second thing is the conceptual design, that's what it that's uh the spe the specifications of the components and the properties and the specifications of the user interface. And we have to look what uh the market is doing for what kind of uh remote controls are in the market. And the third thing is uh the detailed design um and that's exa yeah, you know what it is, it's exactly how it looks and whatever. Okay so uh no, this is a these are two smartboards, with the uh f uh s an introduction of that one. And you already saw you know all that that you here can put uh things in the the red project uh map.

Folder,

Folder, okay.

yes.

So no okay have a look at that one. Okay. So uh what we're going to do first is um so you can read. You have to uh draw uh a favourite animal on the whiteboard

and um and say why it's your favourite animal. So and you have this is just to try it out and we have to uh use a different pen colours and different thickness of the pen. So okay, so first have to show you, maybe you can come here to have a look how it works. Yes?

Ah I can see it now.

Okay.

Yeah.

This a new page, it's okay. Use pen format. and a different colour can use here no I just take the pink. You take oh there's no pink, okay, oh just purple, okay.

Purple.

No blue. And uh line width ten. Okay uh just take what I'm going to draw is an elephant. Just draw slowly, because otherwise it won't work. It's a very nice elephant, you can see. I dunno what it looks but it doesn't matter..

Looks very nice.

I just h

Something like this? Oh no.

It look like a dinosaurs..

Yeah, okay.

A pink elephant.

Because I like uh okay.

Just takes so long, okay. Whatever, just. You erased this one. It's a bit slow you can see, this is a bit annoying.

Okay.

Okay, so just for you guys just one of you can draw a painting if you want. Just don't

Let me try one.

um yeah, just u use it like that, yeah. That's okay.

Okay.

Mm. Okay and then uh what's the colour? How do I do.

It's in format. Yeah.

Ah. I'll take this one. Uh there has to be water,

Just.

but.

No it has to be an animal, so if that's it's it should be a shna snake or something.

Yeah yeah, but it's an animal it's an animal that lives in the water.

Okay. Okay okay. Okay.

The water is important..

Okay.

So I first uh draw the water.

Uh. Okay, and now I make the animal. It's a fish.

Okay,

Wow.

cool.

Mm-hmm. So. Um.

This is a worm.

Hmm yeah, that's nice.

Wow.

Okay, who next? Uh.

Uh do you have to write down why uh that doesn't matter, just it's to get used to the whiteboard, but it's okay.

Okay.

Just make a new blank new blank page.

Yeah.

Well Paul?.

Yeah. Like this?

Yeah, not too far to the to the t pen top.

Okay. Um

let's make it um a dog. Ooh.

Maybe you should hold your pen a bit more to the back, so that no, to the yeah.

Ah okay.

I think it's a pig.

A pig?

No, it's a dog..

I can make.

Or a dog.

a dog.

Um.

A sheep?.

Uh we d only have twenty five minutes, so..

Take it easy.

'Kay, I make a cat of it.

I I was gonna make a cat too.

Use your fantasy..

Oh, not too quick.

Just hold it more more to the back then you don't have.

No

okay.

I have it. I just draw too quick I think. Okay, that's it. More.

No, that's okay, thank you..

It's just to get used to it.

Okay.

I thought these pens would be just um uh you write it down and you download it to Word, you already did it or no? No, not yet, okay.

No.

Yeah, that's right,

But it's just.

it but you actually got to write on the paper.

Sorry?

You really got to write on that paper.

Yeah, I know, but I d I I thought it would be just in in in uh typed words in Word,

Yeah yeah, it's a real pen.

so that's not

Yeah, but it's just a picture.

just it's just a picture. So.

Oh.

it's not that cool as I th thought it would be.

You really.

Y you can you can't edit in the edit it in Word.

No.

No.

Oh, okay.

It's a donkey.

I don't know, what time did we start this meeting, I'm not sure.

Uh I think it was uh.

Half past.

Half past ten.

Yeah.

Okay.

Brilliant.

Okay, perfect.

Nice, eh?.

Yep.

Yeah, thank you. Now we just have to save everything, so..

Oh

this is definitely the best one.

Uh.

Okay, so uh what we know is that we have to sell this uh remote control for about twenty five Euros. Okay,

Excuse me.

that's. And uh we have to make a profit of fifty million Euros, so we have to uh use a big market in Europe. The production cost are about half the price of selling price,

Piece of cake.

sorry.

Uh easy.

So can someone make a a calculation about how many we have to sell of these to make fifty million, I dunno. Uh so we're gonna have a little discussion about um what experience are with a remote control the and everything, so just have a look how it we think about remote controls.

Yeah, my first question was does it have to be a a universal remote control?

Oh yeah, that's a good question.

Because we sell it uh uh uh lonely from the t and not with the television, we sell it uh apart.

I think it's I'm not I'm not sure,

So I.

it's not mm I think.

Yeah, it probably would be universal.

Universal.

Because.

And only television? Or more devices?

I don't think you can buy a a a universal uh remote control for twenty five Euros, so not sure, but.

Hmm, maybe, I don't know.

Yeah, I know uh you can buy a re a universal uh control for uh only twenty uh Euros

Okay, so we we just say we just say that's universal remote control. Okay, perfect.

Ah okay.

Yeah, I think.

And uh also for the V_C_R_ and uh D_V_D_ player

Yeah, everything

and.

just so a lot of buttons on the remote control.

okay. Yeah, probably.

Not just a T_V_.

No, just everything.

Okay.

. so yeah,

Okay.

what what what's a remote control, it's just a black thing with some buttons on it, it's not nothing very special, but um.

Well we can try to make it special.

yeah, that's right.

So do you have any ideas how it has to look for for usability or user.

Well.

Well I th I thought about um making it the same uh style as the television, we don't have uh the same television uh all the time, so uh that's no matter. Um if we uh control the V_C_R_ and the D_V_D_ player player with it uh it has to be clear, because uh kids and uh elderly are gonna use it, so uh it's not only for the uh technical persons. Um I think it must be a very good control, so you can uh uh uh act uh use it from uh everywhere in your room, the the infrared uh thing must be from very good quality.

Hmm yeah.

That's right. Should be a good point.

Yeah.

Okay.

Nothing N

And how big should it be?

No. Yeah.

It shouldn't be too big,

I dunno um.

but I don't think we can make it too small,'cause it has to have a lot of functions, so.

Yeah.

We can't make it smaller than the things we see now I think.

Just big enough for the buttons we have, that's that's it.

Yeah. Or we have to make something uh like uh mobile phones that you can uh fold it opem.

Yeah. Yeah.

Maybe then you can make it s smaller and uniquer,

Yes

maybe more trendy.

But you you you you think about uh uh one you can fold open.

Fold open,

Okay,

where you can see uh more options. I think.

yeah, that's cool. Maybe for the D_V_D_ pla player or something,

Yeah

Ah

n

that's that's.

if you just.

Yeah, something uh on top, just dren general things like volume and T_V_ channels and inside things you don't use that often.

Ah right right.

Yeah, or you c

Yeah.

O or you could th think of an uh uh a small touch screen on the remote control.

Oh that's good, yeah.

Yeah b I wanted.

Yeah.

Why should you use a touchscreen on a remote control?

Uh maybe be uh it's it's.

There are buttons on it.

No you can make an uh manual in it.

Yeah, or um maybe to keep it uh easy and uh small.

Okay. But it's not t t t too expensive to put a touchscreen on it.

But that's.

Uh like a a to have.

Yeah, but

Yeah, I think it's much uh too expensive.

Yeah, maybe it would.

Yeah but it's not reachable I think, touch screen.

And we have to care for uh the strength of the remote control,

Yeah.

because uh uh remote controls are most uh things in the house that falls down on the ground and it get often uh broken.

Yeah. So. And if you have a touch screen in it, it's definitely too too fragile uh fragile.

Yeah, too fragile.

Yeah and a lots uh uh lots of kids use it and touchscreen is not uh kids uh.

No. You can put games on your remote control. Whatever..

Kid-proof.

Yeah.

And uh how about the batteries?

Um.

Uh should you put it in a recharger or a just.

Oh maybe that's a good idea,

Ma maybe a home station.

just to put it on your television and just s recharge,

Yeah.

you never have to use any batteries.

Mm yeah.

Maybe that's a good idea, but yeah, we have to look at the price now I think.

Yeah, how m how mu how how expensive uh is a normal recharger?

Yeah.

Yeah, I dunno.

Well uh how much is your uh standards uh mobile phone recharger?

I dunno.

Yeah, if you buy it uh separately from your phone it's probably expensive,

Ah yeah.

but I don't know what the project uh projection costs are for such a thing.

Maybe have uh.

Uh if you th look at the market, it's probably it's still the best way just to put batteries in it, because maybe it's too expensive.

Yeah,'cause well.

Yeah.

Yeah, but a home station is uh a really good idea, because uh lots of people are uh lose their remote control and don't know where it is,

Yeah, that's right, yeah.

and now you can put it always at the same place.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Maybe it's Therefore it's a good idea, but maybe it's expensive.

Maybe uh use it as a separate option. Sell it uh separately.

Yeah. You can yeah, you can buy it with it.

Yeah, but I have a mouse that's uh uh also uh.

Rechargeable.

Yeah, and and you just have normal batteries that you can recharge and just put it in the station,

Yeah.

or you can change your batteries,

Oh yeah.

so.

The option, just the option, that's cool.

Yeah.

Uh I I set something on paper already, size, looks, uh usable, uh the buttons on usable places, uh the the on off button must be on top,

Yeah.

uh it has to lay good in the hand,

Yeah.

you you have to uh.

Has it be has does it has to b have to be um uh like a different form than a normal remote control

Yeah, I don't I don't know I don't know

or.

Well I think we have to look at that,

if we.

'cause well you can do the standard way, but then you won't.

You can make it very special, to create our own um looks,

Yeah

but it's very hard to.

N uh if if we want to make it special, we probably have to do a lot of testing, if it really works.

Well you can um have uh the basic things on the same place, like on off button on top and the T_V_ channels one two three four as a block, and then the volume uh obviously on t on top, so you can see.

Nah.

Yeah.

But the rest is uh you don't use that often, so if you have a clear button with an good icon on it, it should be clear as well.

Yeah.

So it doesn't matter what place it is on the remote control I think,

Yeah.

so you can do something unique with that.

And what we have to think about too is uh uh buttons that you use often are um maybe uh like when you fold it open, when you have it closed, you can still uh do the th the functions.

Yeah yeah, what Paul already said.

Yeah, just for the T_V_ and just the normal function, that's fine.

Yeah.

Uh on on top are the the basic options on top,

But n.

Yeah, yeah.

yeah, but uh i basically when I'm watching T_V_ I'm just using like five buttons or so,

and if you fold it open.

But maybe it's

Yeah.

That's what I meant.

so.

maybe it's very hard to to make it fold open and to l look like it's very uh uh what's it's called?

Mm. If you if if you make to fold open it's or also an uh the strength uh is not s as good as a normal uh remote control.

Maybe it's hard t

Uh.

No, that's right. So maybe we have to to uh keep it like mm a square, just normal remote control.

Okay, but yeah.

Just think about it.

Yeah.

We have to close this uh to finish this uh meeting, so.

Okay.

There's some more things. We have uh another thirty minutes, so then we're going to meet again. So you know what you have to what you have to do?

Okay.

Yeah.

Um for m for me uh the Marketing Expert, the user requirements uh specification, do I need to think as a user, a as a a a only the looks and the.

No, what you want to do with it.

Yeah, I think this if you you have to n know if it's for s a T_V_, a D_V_D_ player, all that things. Also from a user, but all these things together.

Okay. Yeah, it's also about strength and uh for everything uh.

Yeah, everything.

Yeah, I also wrote down some stuff

Yeah,

that you want on a.

no maybe not not uh, that's not a f that's something for for for yeah.

Technical fun fu

That's not for you. Just if.

Okay.

what's in the market, what's normal, uh what kind of uh buttons do you have.

What do you want to do with your remote control, what do you need on your remote control.

Yeah, it's alright.

I already wrote some down, some ideas.

Yep.

Yeah, just is that okay?

Yep.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

There's already a document in the folder about it.

Yeah, me too.

So see you in thirty minutes.

Okay.

Okay, well done.

Okay.

For the next time you have to uh put it exactly on the square, so your laptop.

I will.

Oh Paul..

It didn't say that.

No, sorry.

Your fault.

Ciao.

Bye bye.

Bye bye.

Question: Did anybody disagree with the Marketing Expert when they said touch screens may be too expensive for the design of the remote?

Response: The topic of a touch screen remote control being too expensive was discussed. However, the Marketing Expert did not express disagreement. The Industrial Designer agreed that it is likely too expensive to implement a touch screen in the remote design.

Question: Did anyone disagree with the Industrial Designer when they talked about the expense of a touch screen?

Response: There was no disagreement with the Industrial Designer when they talked about the expense of a touch screen. All participants agreed that it is likely too expensive to implement a touch screen in the remote design.

Question: What was decided about taking the remotes apart?

Response: The issue of taking apart the remotes was not discussed during the meeting.

Question: What did the Project Manager say about the home station idea?

Response: The Project Manager agreed that the home station idea is very good because many people lose their remote control and do not know where it is. They can then put it in the same place all the time.

Question: Did anyone disagree with the Marketing Expert when they talked about the strength and durability of the remote control being a concern?

Response: There was no disagreement with the Marketing Expert when they talked about the strength and durability of the remote control being a concern. The concern was that the remote control often gets dropped and broken, therefore, a touch screen remote would be too fragile.

Question: What did John suggest in regards to giving the remote control more unique features?

Response: There is no participant named John present in the meeting.

Question: What was decided regarding the shape of the remote control?

Response: The participants agreed to keep the shape of the remote control as a square, similar to traditional remote controls.

Question: What did the Marketing Expert recommend to do when discussing the concern of consumers losing remote controls?

Response: The Marketing Expert suggested creating a home station for the remote control so that consumers can always put it in the same place. They also suggested that the home station could be an optional purchase.

Question: Can you summarize the main points discussed and decided on regarding the remote control design?

Response:
The participants discussed several key points regarding the remote control design:

* They agreed to create a universal remote control that could control multiple devices, including televisions, VCRs, and DVD players.
* The remote control should have a clear and user-friendly design, with the basic buttons, such as the on/off button and volume control, placed in prominent positions.
* The participants also discussed the possibility of incorporating a touch screen into the remote control design but agreed that it was likely too expensive to implement.
* They also considered the issue of strength and durability, as remote controls are often dropped and broken.
* The participants decided to keep the shape of the remote control as a square, similar to traditional remote controls.
* To address the concern of consumers losing the remote control, the Marketing Expert suggested creating a home station for the remote control.

Question: What did John think about the size of the remote control?

Response: There is no participant named John present in the meeting.


Alright.

So are you.

So.

Are we going?

It is uh, must be February fifteenth.

Yeah.

Yu I think the date's written in there, yep. And actually if everyone could cross out the R - nine next to " Session ", and write MR eleven.

Yeah. Yeah. We didn't have a front - end meeting today.

And let's remember also to make sure that one's  gets marked as unread, unused.

OK.

MR eleven.

MR eleven.

That sounds like a spy code.

Mmm. OK. So.

There's lots of clicking I'm sure as I'm trying to get this to work correctly.

Agenda. Any agenda items today?

I wanna talk a little bit about getting how we're gonna to get people to edit bleeps, parts of the meeting that they don't want to include. What I've done so far, and I wanna get some opinions on, how to how to finish it up.

OK.

I wanna ask about um, some aud audio monitoring on some of the um well some of the equipment. In particular, the well uh, that's just what I wanna ask.

OK audio monitoring, Jane.

Ba - based on some of the tran uh i In listening to some of these meetings that have already been recorded there are sometimes big spikes on particular things, and in pact in fact this one I'm talking on is one of of the ones that showed up in one of the meetings,

Oh really.

so I.

" Spikes ", you mean like uh, instantaneous click type spikes, or?

Mm - hmm. Yeah.

Spikes?

Clicks.

Yeah.

Hmm.

Yeah.

Huh.

And I don't know what the e electronics is but.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I think it's

Touching.

uh, it it could be a number of things.

Yeah.

It could be touching and fiddling, and the other thing is that it could the fact that it's on a wired mike is suspicious. It might be a connector.

Oh, OK. Well maybe Then we don't really have to talk about that as an.

You could try an experiment and say " OK, I'm about to test for spikes ",

I I take that off the agenda.

and then wiggle the thing there, and then go and when they go to transcribe it, it could, ask them to come and get you.

Yeah. Right.

" Come get me when you transcribe this and see if there's spikes. "

Oh that.

Um.

Well, OK.

No I'm just.

I mean, were this a professional audio recording, what we would do  what you would do is in testing it is, you would actually do all this wiggling and make sure that that that things are not giving that kind of performance. And if they are, then they can't be used.

Right.

So. Um. Let's see. I guess I would like to have a discussion about you know where we are on uh, recording, transcription you know, basically you know where we are on the corpus.

Good.

And then um, the other thing which I would like to talk about which is a real meta - quest, I think, deal is, uh, agendas. So maybe I'll I'll start with that actually. Uh, um. Andreas brought up the fact that he would kinda like to know, if possible, what we were gonna be talking about because he's sort of peripherally involved to this point, and if there's gonna be a topic about discussion about something that he uh strongly cares about then he would come and And I think part of part of his motivation with this is that he's trying to help us out, in the because of uh the fact that the meetings are are tending to become reasonably large now on days when everybody shows up and so, he figures he could help that out by not showing.

Mmm.

and and I'm sure help out his own time. by not showing up if it's a meeting that he's he's So, uh in order I'd I think that this is a wish on his part. Uh. It's actually gonna be hard because it seems like a lot of times uh things come up that are unanticipated and and.

Right.

But um, we could try anyway, uh, do another try at coming up with the agenda uh, at some point before the meeting, uh, say the day before.

Well maybe it would be a good idea for one of us to like on Wednesday, or Tuesday send out a reminder for people to send in agenda items.

Yeah.

OK. You you wanna volunteer to do that?

Sure.

OK. Alright so we'll send out agenda request.

Let me

Uh.

That'll be I think that'll help.

I'll put that on my spare brain or it will not get done.

That'll help a lot, actually.

Yeah, I have to tell you for the uh for the admin meeting that we have, Lila does that um every time before an admin meeting. And uh, she ends up getting the agenda requests uh, uh ten minutes before the meeting. But but  But. Uh.  But we can try. Maybe it'll work.

Mmm.

Yeah. Maybe. Weirder things have happened.

Yeah.

I'm wondering if he were to just, uh, specify particular topics, I mean. Maybe we'd be able to meet that request of his a little more.

I would I would also guess that as we get more into processing the data and things like that there'll be more things of interest to him.

Well then.

Yeah. Actually it This this maybe brings up another topic which is um So we're done with that topic. The other topic I was thinking of was the sta status on microphones and channels, and all that.

Yeah, actually I I was going to say we need to talk about that too.

Yeah. Why why don't we do that.

OK. Um, the new microphones, the two new ones are in. Um. And they are being assembled as we speak, I hope. And I didn't bring my car today so I'm gonna pick them up tomorrow. Um, and then the other question I was thinking about is well, a couple things. First of all, if the other headsets are a lot more comfortable, we should probably just go ahead and get them. So we'll have to evaluate that when they come in,

and get people's opinions on on what they think of them. Um, then the other question I had is maybe we should get another wireless. Another wireless setup. I mean it's expensive, but it does seem to be better than the wired.

So how many channels do you get to have in a wireless setup?

Um, well, I'm pretty sure that you can daisy - chain them together so what we would do is replace the wired mikes with wireless. So we currently have one base station with six wireless mike, possibility of six wireless receivers, and apparently you can chain those together. And so we could replace our wired mikes with wireless if we bought another base station and more wireless mikes.

So, um.

And So, you know it's still, it's fifteen minus six.

So let's see we.

Right? So we could have up to nine.

And right now we can have up to six.

Right. And we have five, we're getting one more.

Yeah.

And it's um, about nine hundred dollars for the base station, and then eight hundred per channel.

Oh. So yeah so the only Beyond the mike the cost of the mikes the only thing is the base station that's nine hundred dollars.

Right.

Oh, we should do it.

OK. OK, so I'll look into how you daisy - chain them and and then just go ahead and order them.

Yeah. Yeah.

I don't quite understand how that how that works,. If So we're not increasing the number of channels. OK.

No, we're just replacing the wired the two wired that are still working,

OK. I see.

along with a couple of the wired that aren't working, one of the wired that's not working, with a wireless.

Yeah.

Three wireds work,

Basically we found.

right?

I I guess three wireds work, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But we've had more problems with that.

Yep.

And that sort of bypasses the whole the whole Jimbox thing and all that.

Right.

And so um, we we seem to have uh, a reliable way of getting the data in, which is through the ra Sony radio mikes, as long as we're conscious about the batteries.

Right.

That seems to be the key issue.

Everyone's battery OK?

I checked them this morning, they should be.

OK.

Yeah. Um, That's the only thing with them. But the quality seems really good and Um I heard from UW that they're they're uh very close to getting their, uh setup purchased. They're they're they're buying something that you can just sort of buy off the shelf.

Well we should talk to them about it because I know that SRI is also in the process of looking at stuff, and so, you know, what we should try to keep everyone on the same page with that.

Yeah.

SRI, really?

Yeah.

Oh.

They got sa apparent Well, Maybe this needs to be bleeped out? I have no clue.

Uh, I don't know.

I don't know how much of it's public.

Probably we shouldn't probably we shouldn't talk about funding stuff.

Right.

Yeah. But anyway there's there's there's uh, uh other activities that are going on there and and uh and NIST and UW. So. Um. But but yeah I thin I think that at least the message we can tell other people is that our experience is is quite positive with the Sony,

Right.

uh, radio - mikes. Now the one thing that you have said that actually concerns me a little is you're talking about changing the headsets meaning changing the connector, which means some hand - soldering or something, right?

Uh, no, we're having the them do it.

No?

So it's so hand - soldering it, but I'm not doing it.

Oh.

So, they they charge

OK. Nothing against you and your hand - soldering

right.

but.

You've never seen my hand - soldering. But uh, a as I said they're coming in.

Uh, OK, so that's being done professionally and.

I I mean.

Yeah.

Yeah. I mean.

Yeah.

As professionally as I guess you can get it done.

Well, it could if they do a lot of it, it's.

I mean i it's just their repair shop. Right? Their maintenance people.

Well, we'll see what it it's like.

Yep.

That tha that can be quite good. Th - this Yeah, OK. Good. Yeah. So let's go with that.

And, I mean we'll see, tomorrow, you know, what it looks like.

Uh, Yeah. So, um, uh, Dave isn't here but he was going to start working on some things with the digits. Uh, so he'll be interested in what's going on with that. I guess Was the decision last time was that the the uh transcribers were going to be doing stuff with the digits as well? Has that started, or is that?

Mm - hmm. Yeah. Uh, it would be to use his interface and I was going to meet with him today about that.

Right, so, the decision was that Jane did not want the transcribers to be doing any of the paperwork. So I did the all that last week. So all the all the forms are now on the computer. And uh, then I have a bunch of scripts that we'll read those and let the uh transcribers use different tools. And I just want to talk to Jane about how we transition to using those.

Mm - hmm. So he has a nice set up that they it w it will be efficient for them to do that.

OK.

I I don't think it'll take too long.

So anyway.

So, you know, just uh, a matter of a few days I suspect.

So anyway I think we we have at least one uh, user for the digits once they get done, which will be Dave.

Right. I've already done five or six sets.

OK.

So if he wanted to, you know, just have a few to start with, he could. You know, and I also have a bunch of scripts that will, like, generate P - files and run recognition on them also.

Yeah, he might he might be asking Right. OK. Uh, is Dave I don't know if Dave is on the list, if he's invited to these meetings, uh if he knows.

I don't tend to get an invitation myself for them even.

No, no.

Uh, we don't have a active one but I'll make sure he's on the list.

Yeah. Should we call him? I mean is he d is he definitely not available today?

I don't know.

Should I call his office and see?

He was in.

I mean, he's still taking classes, so uh, he may well have conflicts.

Uh, well i it's uh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, he was in s

He wasn't there at cof

Yeah, so this might be a conflict for him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

OK.

OK. Uh, so.

Yeah didn't he say his signal - processing class was like Tuesdays and Thursdays?

I think he has a class. Yeah.

Yeah. He might have.

Oh well, whatever.

You talking about David Gelbart?

Oh, OK.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah, I think he's taking two twenty - five A which is now.

Yeah.

So.

Yeah.

OK.

OK. So, that's why we're not seeing him. OK. Uh, transcriptions, uh, beyond the digits, where we are, and so on.

OK.

And the and the recordings also,

Um.

just where we are. Yeah.

Well, so um, should we we don't wan wanna do the recording status first, or?

Well, we have about thirty - two hours uh as of, I guess a week and a half ago, so we probably now have about thirty - five hours.

And and that's that's uh How much of that is digits? It's uh that's including digits,

That's including digits.

right?

I haven't separated it out so I have no clue how much of that is digits.

So Yeah. So anyway there's at least probably thirty hours, or something of There's got to be more than thirty hour.

Mmm.

Of of non - digits?

i it couldn't of Of non - digits.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the digits don't take up that much time.

Yeah, yeah. OK.

OK, and the transcribers h I, uh, don't have the exact numbers, but I think it would come to about eleven hours that are finished uh, transcribing from them right now. The next step is to that I'm working on is to insure that the data are clean first, and then channelized. What I mean by clean is that they're spell - checked, that the mark - up is consistent all the way throughout, and also that we now incorporate these additional conventions that uh, Liz requested in terms of um, um in terms of having a s a systematic handling of numbers, and acronyms which I hadn't been specific about. Um, for example, i they'll say uh " ninety - two ". And you know, so how you could.

Nine two,

e Exactly.

right.

So if you just say " nine two ", the there are many s ways that could have been expressed. An - and I just had them I I mean, a certain number of them did put the words down, but now we have a convention which also involves having it followed by, um, a gloss th and things.

You know, Jane?

Mm - hmm.

Um, one suggestion and you may already be doing this, but I've noticed in the past that when I've gone through transcriptions and you know in in order to build lexicons and things, if you um, just take all the transcriptions and separate them into words and then alphabetize them,  a lot of times just scanning down that list you'll find a lot of inconsistencies and mis

Misspelled.

Yeah.

You're talking about the type token frequency listings, and I use those too. Y you mean just uh on each on each line there's a one word right? It's one token from the from the corpus.

Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm.

Yeah, those are e extremely efficient and I and I I agree that's a very good use of it.

Oh so you already have that, OK.

Well that's that's a way that's You know, the spell - check basically does that but but in addition yes, that's that's exactly the strategy I wanna do in terms of locating these things which are you know colloquial spoken forms which aren't in the lexicon.

Mm - hmm. Cuz a lot of times they'll appear next to each other, and uh,

Exactly. And then you ca then you can do a s

Yeah.

i in alphabetized lists, they'll appear next to each other and and so it makes it easier.

Absolutely. I agree. That's a very good that's a very good uh, suggestion. And that was that's my strategy for handling a lot of these things, in terms of things that need to be glossed. I didn't get to that point but So there are numbers, then there are acronyms, and then um, there's a he she wants the uh, actually a an explicit marker of what type of comment this is, so i curly b inside the curly brackets I'm gonna put either " VOC " for vocalized, like cough or like laugh or whatever, " NONVOC " for door - slam, and " GLOSS " for things that have to do with if they said a s a spoken form with this m this pronunciation error.

Right.

I already had that convention

Oh that's great.

but I I haven't been asking these people to do it systematically cuz I think it most ha most efficiently handled by uh by a a filter. That was what I was always planing on. So that, you know you get a whole long list exactly what you're saying, you get a whole list of things that say " curly bracket laugh curly bracket ",

Mm - hmm.

then y you know it's it's You you risk less error if you handle it by a filter, than if you have this transcriber ch laboriously typing in sort of a VOC space,

Yeah.

so man So many ways that error prone.

Right. Right.

So, um, um I'm I'm going to convert that via a filter, into these tagged uh, subcategorized comments, and same thing with you know, we see you get a subset when you do what you're saying,

Mm - hmm.

you end up with a s with uh, you're collapsing across a frequency you just have the tokens

Mm - hmm.

and you can um, have a filter which more efficiently makes those changes. But the numbers and acronyms have to be handled by hand, because, you know I mean, jus

You don't know what they could be.

Yeah.

Yeah now TIMIT's clear um and PLP is clear but uh there are things that are not so well known, in or or have variant u u uses like the numbers you can say " nine two " or you can say " ninety - two ",

So how are you doing the.

and uh I'd handle the numbers individually.

How are you doing the uh, acronyms so if I say PZM what would it appear on the transcript?

It would be separate The letters would be separated in space

OK.

and potentially they'll have a curly bracket thing afterwards e but I'm not sure if that's necessary, clarifying what it is,

Mm - hmm.

so gloss of whatever.

Right.

I don't know if that's really necessary to do that. Maybe it's a nice thing to do because of it then indicating this is uh, a step away from i indicating that it really is intentional that those spaces are there, and indicating why they're there to indicate that it's uh the you know,  uh enumerated, or i

Mm - hmm.

it's not a good way of saying but it's it's the specific uh way of stating these these letters.

Right. So it sounds good.

And so anyway, the clean those are those things and then channelized is to then um, get it into this multichannel format. And at that point then it's ready for use by Liz and Don. But that's been my top priority beyond getting it tanel channelized, the next step is to work on tightening up the boundaries of the time bins.

Yeah.

Right.

And uh, Thilo had a e e a breakthrough with this this last week in terms of getting the channel - based um uh s s speech - nonspeech segmentation um, up and running and I haven't I haven't been able to use that yet cuz I'm working s re this is my top priority get the data clean, and channelized.

I actually gave

Have you also been doing spot checks, Jane?

Oh yes.

Okay, good.

Well you see that's part of the cleaning process. I spent um actually um I have a segment of ten minutes that was transcribed by two of our transcribers,

Oh good. Good.

and I went through it last night, it's it's almost spooky how similar these are, word for word. And there are some differences in commas cuz commas I I left them discretion at commas.

Right.

Uh and so because it's not part of our st of our ne needed conventions.

Mm - hmm.

And um, and so they'll be a difference in commas, but it's word - by - word the same, in in huge patches of the data. And I have t ten minute stretch where I can where I can show that. And and sometimes it turns out that one of these transcribers has a better ear for technical jargon, and the other one has a better ear for colloquial speech. So um, the one i i the colloquial speech person picked up " gobbledy - gook ".

Hmm.

And the other one didn't. And on this side, this one's picking up things like " neural nets " and the one that's good on the sp o on th the vocabulary on the uh colloquial didn't.

Right.

When for the person who missed " gobbledy - gook " what did they put?

It was an interesting approximation, put in parentheses, cuz I have this convention that, i if they're not sure what it was, they put it in parentheses.

Oh.

So they tried to approximate it, but it was.

Oh good.

it was spelled GABBL.

Sort of how it sounds. Yeah.

Yes. More of an attempt to I mean apparently it was very clear to her that these the a this this was a sound these are the sounds,

It was a technical term that she didn't recognize,

Yeah.

but Yeah. But she knew that she didn't know it. Maybe it was a technical ter exactly. But she even though her technical perception is just really uh you know I've I'm tempted to ask her if she's taken any courses in this area or if she's taken cognitive science courses

Right.

then cuz " neural nets " and oh she has some things that are oh " downsampled ", she got that right.

Hmm.

And some of these are rather uh unexpected.

Obscure, yeah.

But ch ten solid uh m ch s chunk of ten solid minutes where they both coded the same data.

And and again the main track that you're working with is elev eleven hours?

And um.

Is that right?

Yes exactly.

Yeah, OK.

And that's part of this Eleven hours.

Is that is that that including digits? Yeah.

Yes it is.

So let's say roughly ten hours or so of.

Mm - hmm.

I mean it's probably more than that but but with of of non - digits.

Yeah.

It'd be more than that because I my recollection is the minutes that da digits don't take more than half a minute. Per person.

Oh, OK.

But um the the total set that I gave them is twelve hours of tape,

Oh, I see.

But they haven't gotten to the end of that yet.

Oh, I see.

So they're still working some of them are Two of them are still working on completing that. Yeah.

Boy, they're moving right along.

Yeah.

Yeah. They are. Mm - hmm. They're very efficient. There're some who have more hours that they devote to it than others.

Mm - hmm.

Mm - hmm.

Yeah.

So what what what's the deal with with your.

The channel u thing?

Yeah.

Oh, it's just uh, I ran the recognizer uh, the  speech - nonspeech detector on different channels and, it's just in uh in this new multi - channel format and output, and I just gave one one meeting to to Liz who wanted to to try it for for the recognizer

Oh, I see.

as uh, apparently the recognizer had problems with those long chunks of speech, which took too much memory or whatever,

Right.

and so she she will try that I think

Yeah.

and I'm I'm working on it. So, I hope.

Is this anything different than the HMM system you were using before?

Yeah.

No. Uh, I mmm, use some some different features but not not.

Mm - hmm.

The basic thing is this HMM base.

So there's still no no knowledge using different channels at the same time.

There is some, uh as the energy is normalized across channels

You know what I mean? Across all of them.

yeah.

OK.

So. But basically that's one of the main changes.

Mm - hmm.

Mm - hmm. What are some of the other features? Besides the energy? You said you're trying some different features, or something.

Oh I just uh Mmm, I just use um our loudness - based things now as they before there were they were some in in the log domain and I I changed this to the to the.

Cu - Cube root?

Yeah. To No, I changed this to the to the to the loudness thingy with the with the

Hmm.

Ah.

how do you call it? I'm not sure. With the, uh.

Fletcher Munson? No.

I'm not sure about the term.

Oh, OK.

Uh, I'll look it up. And say it to you.

Yeah, alright.

Uh, OK, and Yeah. That's that's basically the the the thing. Yeah, and I and I tried t to normalize uh uh the features, there's loudness and modified loudness, um, within one channel,

OK.

because they're, yeah to to be able to distinguish between foreground and background speech. And it works quite well. But, not always.

Uh - huh. Uh - huh.

So.

OK.

Good.

Um, let's see. I think the uh Were were you basically done with the transcription part? So I guess the next thing is this uh bleep editing.

Right. So the The idea is that we need to have We need to provide the transcripts to every participant of every meeting to give them an opportunity to bleep out sections they don't want. So I've written a bunch of tools that will generate web pages, uh with the transcription in it so that they can click on them and piece pieces and they can scroll through and read them, and then they can check on each one if they want it excluded. And then, it's a form, HTML form, so they can submit it and it will end up sending me email with the times that they want excluded. And so, uh, some of the questions on this is what do we do about the privacy issue. And so I thought about this a little bit and I think the best way to do it is every participant will have a password,

Yeah.

a single password. Each person will have a single password, user name and password. And then each meeting, we'll only allow the participants who were at that meeting to look at it. And that way each person only has to remember one password.

I I can't help but wonder if this is maybe a little more elaborate than is needed. I mean if people have Uh, I mean, for me I would actually want to have some pieces of paper that had the transcription and I would sort of flip through it. And then um if I thought it was OK, I'd say " it's OK ".

Mm - hmm.

And, I uh I mean it depends how this really ends up working out, but I guess my thought was that the occasion of somebody wondering whether something was OK or not and needing to listen to it was gonna be extremely rare.

Right, I mean so th th th the fact that you could listen to it over the web is a minor thing that I had already done for other reasons.

OK.

And so that that's a minor part of it, I just wanted some web interface so that people you didn't actually have to send everyone the text. So m what my intention to do is that as the transcripts become ready, um I would take them, and generate the web pages and send email to every participant or contact them using the contact method they wanted, and just uh, tell them, " here's the web page ", um, " you need a password ". So th th question number one is how do we distribute the passwords, and question number two is how else do we wanna provide this information if they want it.

That's I think what I was sort of saying is that if you just say " here is a here is " I mean this maybe it sounds paleolithic but but I just thought if you handed them some sheets of paper, that said, uh, " here's what was said in this transcription is it OK with you? and if it is, here's this other sheet of paper that you sign that says that it's OK ".

I think that um there are a subset of people who will want printouts that we can certainly provide.

And then they'd hand it back to you.

But certainly I wouldn't want a printout. These are big, and I would much rather be ha be able to just sit and leaf through it.

You find it easier to go through a large I mean how do you read books?

Well I certainly read books by hand. But for something like this, I think it's easier to do it on the web.

Really? I mean, it.

Cuz you're gonna get, you know, if I I'm I'm in a bunch of meetings and I don't wanna get a stack of these. I wanna just be able to go to go to the web site  and visit it as I want.

Going to a web site is easy, but flipping through a hundred pounds a hundred pages of stuff is not easy on the web.

Well, I don't think it's that much harder than, paper. So.

Really?

I have one question. So are you thinking that um the person would have a transcript and go strictly from the transcript? Because I I do think that there's a benefit to being able to hear the tone of voice and the.

So here's the way I was imagining it, and maybe I'm wrong,

Yeah.

but the way I imagined it was that um, the largest set of people is gonna go " oh yeah, I didn't say anything funny in that meeting just go ahead, where's the where's the release? " And then there'll be a subset of people, right? OK there's I mean think of who it is we've been recording mostly.

Yeah.

OK there'll be a subset of people, who um, will say uh " well, yeah, I really would like to see that. " And for them, the easiest way to flip through, if it's a really large document, I mean unless you're searching. Searching, of course, should be electronic, but if you're not so if you provide some search mechanism you go to every place they said something or something like that,

Yeah.

but see then we're getting more elaborate with this thing. Um if if uh you don't have search mechanisms you just sort of have this really, really long document, I mean whenever I've had a really, really long document that it was sitting on the web, I've always ended up printing it out. I mean, so it's it's I mean, you you're you're not necessarily gonna be sitting at the desk all the time, you wanna figure you have a train ride, and there's all these situations where where I I mean, this is how I was imagining it, anyway. And then I figured, that out of that group, there would be a subset who would go " hmm you know I'm really not sure about this section here, " and then that group would need it S It seems like i if I'm right in that, it seems like you're setting it up for the most infrequent case, rather than for the most frequent case. So that uh, now we have to worry about privacy,

Well, no fre for the most.

we have to worry about all these passwords, for different people

For the most frequent case they just say " it's OK " and then they're done. And I think almost everyone would rather do that by email than any other method.

Mm - hmm.

The other thing too is it seems like.

Um, yeah, that's true.

Go ahead.

I mean, cuz you don't have to visit the web page if you don't want to.

Yeah.

I guess Yeah, I guess we don't need their signature. I guess an email OK is alright.

Oh that was another thing I I had assumed that we didn't need their signature, that it that an email approval was sufficient. But I don't actually know.

Are are people going to be allowed to bleep out sections of a meeting where they weren't speaking?

Yes. If someone feels strongly enough about it, then I I I think they should be allowed to do that.

I also mm - hmm.

So that means other people are editing what you say?

Uh I don't know about that.

Yeah.

I don't know if I like that.

Well, the only other choice is that the person would say " no, don't distribute this meeting at all ", and I would rather they were able to edit out other people then just say " don't distribute it at all ".

But th what they signed in the consent form, was something that said you can use my voice.

Well, but if if someone is having a conversation, and you only bleep out one side of it, that's not sufficient.

Right? Yeah. Yeah, but that's our decision then. Right?

Um, I don't think so. I mean, because if I object to the conversation.

I think it is.

If I say " we were having a conversation, and I consider that conversation private, " and I consider that your side of it is enough for other people to infer, I wanna be able to bleep out your side.

The I agree that the consent forms were uh, I cons agree with what Adam's saying, that um, the consent form did leave open this possibility that they could edit things which they found offensive whe whether they said them or didn't say them.

I see. OK, well, if that's what it said.

And the other thing is from the standpoint of the l of the l I'm not a law lawyer, but it strikes me that uh, we wouldn't want someone to say " oh yes, I was a little concerned about it but it was too hard to access ". So I think it's kind of nice to have this facility to listen to it. Now in terms of like editing it by hand, I mean I think it's i some people would find that easier to specify the bleep part by having a document they edited. But but it seems to me that sometimes um, you know i if a person had a bad day, and they had a tone in their voice that they didn't really like, you know it's nice it's nice to be able to listen to it and be sure that that was OK.

I mean I can certainly provide a printable version if people want it. Um.

Um I mean it's also a mixture of people, I mean some people are r do their work primarily by sitting at the computer, flipping around the web, and others do not.

Yep.

Others would consider it this uh a a set of skills that they would have to gain. You know?

Well I think most of the people in the meetings are the former.

It depends on what meetings.

That's true.

So far.

So.

In the meetings so far, yeah.

Yep.

But we're trying to expand this, right?

Right.

So I I I actually think that paper is the more universal thing.

And that Well, but if they want to print it out that's alright.

Mm - hmm. Yeah.

I think everyone in the meeting can access the web.

No, I think we have to be able to print it out. It's not just if they want to print it out. I I think.

OK, so does that mean that I can't use email? Or what?

Cuz you could send it through email you're thinking.

I I th

Well, I don't think I.

well we there was this.

well I don't think we can send the text through email because of the privacy issues.

No.

Good. For security?

Yeah.

Yeah, OK good.

Right.

Um. So giving them, you think a web site to say, " if you wanna print it out here it is ", is not sufficient?

Good point..

Yeah. I

Certainly for everybody who's been in the meetings so far it would be sufficient.

Yeah, I'm just thinking for people that that's not sufficient for, what the only sufficient thing would be for me to walk up to them and hand it to them.

I'm just wondering about.

You could mail it to them.

Yeah.

Get an a mailing address.

Equivalent.

But.

But I think it's easier to drop in the box.

Just put the button on on the web page which say " please send me the the scripts ".

That's right.

Oh that's interesting.

Yeah.

What um When you display it on the web page, what are what are you showing them? Utterances, or?

Mm - hmm.

And so can they bleep within an utterance?

No. Whole utterances only.

Whole utterances.

And that was just convenience for my sake, that it's uh, uh it would end up being fairly difficult to edit the transcripts if we would do it at the sub - utterance level. Because this way I can just delete an entire line out of a transcript file rather than have to do it by hand.

There's another aspect to this which maybe is part of why this is bothering me. Um, I think you're really trying very hard to make this as convenient as possible for people to do this.

Mmm.

I mean that's why I did the web form, because for me that would be my most convenient.

I I I understand.

I know where you're going.

I think that's the bad idea.

Oh.

See because you're gon you're uh Really. You're gonna end up with all these little patchy things, whereas really what we want to do is have the the the bias towards letting it go. Because nob you know it There was a one or twi once or twice, in the re in the meetings we've heard, where somebody said something that they might be embarrassed by, but overall people are talking about technical topics. Nobody's gonna get hurt. Nobody's being l libeled. You know, this is this we're we're covering We're playing the lawyer's game, and we're playing we're we're we're looking for the extreme case. If we really orient it towards that extreme case, make it really easy, we're gonna end up encouraging a headache. That I think that's I'm sort of psyching myself out here, I I'm trying to uh.

I guess I don't see having a few phrases here and there in a meeting being that mu much of a headache, bleeped out.

but I I think that's Well, it's.

So.

I think what Morgan's saying is the easier it is, the more is gonna be bleeped.

but i And and it really depends on what kind of research you're doing. I think some researchers who are gonna be working with this corpus years from now are really gonna be cursing the fact that there's a bunch of stuff in there  that's missing from the dialogue.

Mm - hmm.

You know, it depends on the kind of research they're doing,

Yeah.

but it might be, uh it might be really a a pain. And, you know where it's really gonna hurt somebody, in some way the one who said it or someone who is being spoken about,  we definitely want to allow the option of it being bleeped out. But I really think we wanna make it the rare incidence. And and uh, I am just a little worried about making it so easy for people to do, and so much fun! that they're gonna go through and bleep out stuff.

So much fun.

and they can bleep out stuff they don't like too, right from somebody else, as you say, you know, so " well I didn't like what he said. "

Well I don't see any way of avoiding that. I mean, we have to provi we have promised that we would provide them the transcript and that they can remove parts that they don't like. So that the.

Yeah. No, no, I I I don't.

The only question is.

You - you've talked me into that, but I I just think that we should make it harder to do.

The problem is if it's harder for them it's also harder for me. Whereas this web interface, I just get email, it's all formatted, it's all ready to go and I can just insert it.

So maybe you don't give them access to the web interface unless they really need it. So so so

Well I guess Yeah.

I'm sorry so so So maybe this is a s a way out of it.

Hmm.

You've provided something that's useful for you to do handle, and useful for someone else if they need it. But I think the issue of privacy and ease and so forth should be that uh, they get access to this if they really need it.

Well.

So you're saying the the sequence would be more like first Adam goes to the contact lists, contacts them via whatever their preferred method is, to see if they want to review the meeting.

Right.

And then if they don't, you're done. If they do, then he provides them access to the the web site.

Well, to some extent I have to do that anyway because as I said we have to distribute passwords.

W w

Or a printed - out form.

There's there.

So,

y but you don't necessarily have to distribute passwords is what I'm saying.

Well, but.

So.

Only if they want it.

what I'm saying is that I can't just email them the password because that's not secure. So they have to call me and ask.

No, no, no. But you aren't necessarily giving them Right. But we don't even necessarily need to end up distributing passwords at all.

Well, we do because of privacy. We can't just make it openly available on the web.

No, no. You're missing the point.

Mm - hmm.

We're We're trying i We're trying to make it less of an obvious just l l l l uh fall off a log, to do this.

Not everyone gets a password, unless they ask for it.

Right? So th so what I would see, is that first you contact them and ask them if they would like to review it for to check for the.

Yeah.

not just for fun, OK? but to to check this for uh things that they're worried about having said or if they're willing to just send an approval of it, at from their memory. Um and, uh, and we should think carefully actually we should review go through how that's worded, OK? Then, if someone uh wants to review it, uh, and I know you don't like this, but I'm offering this as a suggestion, is that is that we then give them a print out. And then if they say that " I have a potential problem with these things, " then, you you say " OK well you might wanna hear this in context to s think if you need that, " you issue them a password, i in the.

But the the problem with what you're suggesting is it's not just inconvenient for them, it's inconvenient for me. Because that means multiple contacts every time for every single meeting every time anyone wants anything. I would much prefer to have all be automatic, they visit the web site if they want to. Obviously they don't have to.

I know you'd prefer it, but the proble

Yeah.

we have.

So I think you're thinking people are going to arbitrarily start bleeping and I just don't think that's gonna happen.

there's a problem with it.

I'm also concerned about the spirit of the of the informed consent thing. Cuz I think if they feel that uh, it's I th I th You know, if it turns out that something gets published in this corpus that someone really should have eliminated and didn't detect, then it could have been because of their own negligence that they didn't pursue that next level and get the password and do that, um, but but they might be able to argue " oh well it was cumbersome, and I was busy and it was gonna take me too much time to trace it down ". So it could that the burden would come back onto us. So I'm a little bit worried about uh, making it harder for them, from the legal standpoint.

Well you can go too far in that direction, and you need to find somewhere between I think,

Yeah.

It seems to me that sending them email, saying " if you have an O - OK reply to this email and say OK,

because Uh - huh.

If you have a problem with it contact me and I'll give you a password ", seems like is a perfectly, reasonable compromise. And if they want a printout they can print it out themselves.

Or we could print it up for them,

Yeah.

I mean we could offer that but but there's uh, another aspect to that and that is that in the informed consent form, um, my impression is that they that we offered them at the very least that they definitely would have access to the transcript. And and I ha

Yeah.

I don't know that there's a chance of really skipping that stage. I mean I I thought that you were Maybe I misinterpreted what you said but it's.

Having access to it doesn't necessarily mean, that having it

Having it.

Giving it to them.

Well the in.

right? It just means they have the right to have it.

OK.

the consent form is right in there if anyone wants to look at it,

Alright. Fine. OK. Fair enough.

so.

Yeah.

D you want me to grab one?

Sh - sh well I could I'm closer.

Yeah, but you're wired

I could.

aren't you?

Yeah. That is true.

Um. Yeah, I mean I don't wanna fool them,

I don't know.

I just meant that e every ev any time you say anything to anyone there is in fact a a bias that is presented,

Oh yeah yeah oh I know.

right?

" If you agree to participate you'll have the opportunity to have anything ex anything excised, which you would prefer not to have included in the data set. "

of and.

Yeah that's true. Yeah.

" Once a transcript is available we will ask your permission to include the data in the corpus for the r larger research community.

Yeah.

There again you will be allowed to indicate any sections that you'd prefer to have excised from the database, and they will m be removed both from the transcript and the recording. "

Hmm. Well that's more open than I realized.

Well, I mean it The one question is definitely clear with anything as opposed to just what you said.

I.

Yeah.

Yeah, uh no that it tha

Tha - that's true. That's more severe, but the next one says the transcript will be around.

that's right.

And it doesn't  really say we'll send it to you, or wi it'll be available for you on the web, or anything.

I think it probably leaves it open how we get it to them.

I I.

At least it more often. Yeah. It means also we don't have to g To give it to them. I mean like like Morgan was saying they they.

They just have to make sure that it is available to them.

It's available to them if they ask for it.

Yeah, OK, so. wh um I think I have an idea that may be sat may satisfy both you and me in this which is, um, it's a it we just go over carefully how these notes to people are worded. So I I just want it to be worded in such a way where it gives the strong impre it gives very, I mean nothing hidden, v very strongly the bias that we would really like to use all of these data.

Right.

That that we really would rather it wasn't a patchwork of things tossed out,

Good.

that it would be better for, um, our, uh, field if that is the case. But if you really think something is gonna And I don't think there's anything in the legal aspects that that is hurt by our expressing that bias.

Great. Great, great.

And then then my concern about which.

Yeah. I agree.

you know you might be right, it may be it was just paranoia on my part, uh but people just See I'm @ @ worried about this interface so much fun that people start bleeping stuff out  just as just because they can.

It's just a check box next to the text, it's not any fun at all.

Yeah. Well I don't know. I kind of had fun when you played me something that was bleeped out. You know.

Well, but they won't get that feedback.

I

All no because it doesn't automatically bleep it at the time.

Oh they won't?

It just sends me.

Oh good. So you haven't made it so much fun.

Right.

Oh good.

It just sends me the time intervals.

OK,

And then at some point I'll incorporate them all and put bleeps. I mean I don't wanna have t ha do that yet until we actually release the data

Yeah.

because um, then we have to have two copies of every meeting and we're already short on disk space.

Yeah.

So I I wanna I just keep the times until we actually wanna release the data and then we bleep it.

OK. Alright, so I think Yeah so if we have if i Again let's you know, sort of circulate the the wording on each of these things and get it right,

Well since you seem to feel heart uh, strongest about it, would you like to do the first pass?

but but OK. Uh, fair enough. Turn about is fair play,

Al - Also it ther there is this other question, the legal question that that Adam's raised, uh about whether we need a concrete signature, or email c i suffices or whatever

Sorry.

Yeah.

and I don't know how that works. i There's something down there about " if you agree to "

I'm I'm I'm I thought I I thought about it with one of my background processes

I don't think so.

and I uh it's uh it's uh, it's fine to do the email.

Ah. Fine.

Yeah because thi th they're signing here that they're agreeing to the paragraph which says " you'll be given an opportunity. "

OK.

Good. OK.

Yeah.

And so I don't think they need another signature.

And Well and furthermore I it's now fairly routine in a lot of arrangements that I do with people on contracts and so forth that that uh if it's if it's that sort of thing where you're you're saying uh " OK I agree, we want eighty hours of this person at such - and - such amount, and I agree that's OK, " uh if it's a follow up to some other agreement where there was a signature it's often done in email now

Right.

so it's it's OK.

Great.

Um.

So I guess I probably should at the minimum, think about how to present it in a printed form. I'm not really sure what's best with that. The problem is a lot of them are really short,

Well.

and so I don't necessarily wanna do one per line. But I don't know how else to do it.

Well I s I also have this I I think it's nice you have it uh, viewab her  hearable on the on the web for those who might wonder about um, the non nonverbal side, I mean I I agree that our bias should be as as expressed here, and but I I think it's nice that a person could check. Cuz sometimes you know you the words on a on the page, come out soun sounding different in terms of the social dynamics if they hear it.

Hmm.

Mm - hmm. Mm - hmm.

And I realize we shouldn't emphasize that people  you know, shouldn't borrow trouble. What it comes down to but.

Yeah I think actually my opinion probably is that the only time someone will need to listen to it is if the transcript is uh not good. You know, if if there are lots of mumbles and parentheses and things like that.

Oh, you know, or what if there was an error in the transcript that didn't get detected and there was a whole uh i segment a against some personal i th

Right. That was all mumbled?

Yeah.

I think Microsoft is

Yeah exactly

Oh,

Sorry transcribers.

Or or even or even  there was a a line you know about how " hmm - mmm - mmm  Bill Gates duh - duh - duh - duh. "

Yeah.

but but it was all the words were all visible, but they didn't end up i some there was a slip in the transcript.

Oh, God.

They're gonna hate this meeting.

Yeah.

Yeah that's true.

Actually Liz will like it. You know, but.

Liz will like it. We had a pretty strong disagreement going there.

Yep, yep, that's right.

Yeah.

Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, I I guess we're assuming that the transcript is a close enough approximation and that that my double checking will be so close to absolutely perfect that it that nothing will slip by.

Mm - hmm.

But it the some something might sometime, and they uh if if it's something that they said, they might i i I mean, you might be very accurate in putting down what they actually said,

Mm - hmm.

but, when they hear it, themselves, they may hear something different because they know what they meant.

I don't know how to notate that.

Sarcasm,

Yeah, that's right.

how do you how do you indicate sarcasm?

Yeah that's right.

No, I'm serious. So the so i the so we might we might get some feedback from people that such - and - such was, you know, not not really what I said.

Yeah. Well that would be good to get, definitely.

Yeah, but, Yeah, sure.

Just for corrections.

Yeah.

So um, in terms of password distribution, I think phone is really the only way to do it, phone and in person. Or mail, physical mail.

Yeah. Or if for leave it on their voice mail.

Any sub - word level thing..

Any sub - wor Yeah, OK. I mean you could do it with PGP or things like that but it's too complex.

You know I just realized something, which is of e th this question about the uh the possible mismatch of I mean i well, and actually also the lawyer saying that um, we shouldn't really have them have the people believing that they will be cleared by our checks. You know?

Mm - hmm.

I mean. So it's like i in a way it's it's nice to have the responsibility still on them to listen to the tape and and hear the transcript, to have that be the.

Well yeah, but you can't dep I mean, most people will not wanna take the time to do that, though.

Yeah, OK, fair enough. And they're s they're absorbing the responsibility themselves.

And they they have to.

So it's not it's not um Yeah, good.

But I mean if you were at a meeting, and and you you don't think, at least, that you said anything funny and the meeting was about, you know, some some funny thing about semantics or something, or uh.

You probably won't listen to it.

Yeah.

It is true that tec that the content is technical, I and so i and we're not having these discussions which.

Yeah.

I I mean, when I listen to these things, I don't find things that are questionable, in other people's speech or in my own.

Yeah. You would think it would be rare,

Just It should be very rare.

I mean we're not talking about the energy crisis or something, people have.

Yeah. Yeah, OK.

How about them energy crises.

Yeah. I think we're uh.

Done?

Kind of done. Actually, I was gonna Di - Did you have anything n that's going on, or.

Not really. No. Um, my project is going along but um, I'm really just here to um fill the project uh the overall progress. I don't really have anything specific to to talk about.

Yeah. That's fine. I just didn't wanna go by you, if you had something.

Oh, OK.

You don't have anything to say.

No.

Nah.

Transcribers, he was rattling the b marbles in his brain back and forth just then this this.

Shall we do digits?

Oh yeah.

Um, oh by the way I did find a bunch.

It um

Uh, we should count out how many more digits to forms do we have back there?

There were quite a few. Uh.

That's what I thought. I f I was going through them all and I found actually a lot filed in with them, that were blanks, that no one had actually read.

Mmm.

And so we still have more than I thought we did.

Oh good.

So, we have a few more digits before we're done.

You know having this headset reminds me of like working at Burger King or something.

Oops.

Oh, did you do that?

Burger King

I'd like a burger with that,

No I never did.

do you want fries with that?

Wow.

But I feel like I could now.

And.

Question: What were Jane, Liz, Adam, and Morgan's main concerns and suggestions regarding the accuracy, structure, and privacy of the transcripts?

Response: There is no participant named as Jane, Liz, Adam and Morgan in the meeting.

Question: What was the advantage of using web pages for sharing transcripts?

Response: There is no mention of the advantages of using web pages for sharing transcripts in the context of the meeting.

Question: What was her suggestion regarding the privacy of the transcripts?

Response: It is not specifically stated in the question as to who this question is meant for.

Question: Apart from the web interface, what other means were considered for the participants to access the transcripts?

Response: The participants considered sending participants a printed copy of the transcript if they requested one.

Question: Did they reach a consensus regarding the method of transcript sharing?

Response: No, the participants did not reach a consensus regarding the method of transcript sharing. They discussed the advantages and disadvantages of using a web interface versus providing printed copies of the transcripts, but ultimately decided to explore both options.

Question: Besides the issue of the participants’ privacy, were there any other concerns regarding the transcript sharing method?

Response:
* The participants discussed the accuracy, structure, and privacy of the transcripts and their concerns regarding each aspect.
* They explored the use of web interfaces and printed copies for sharing the transcripts but did not reach a consensus.

Question: Did Jane ask Postdoc F to ensure consistency in the transcripts by using conventional time bins?

Response: There is no participant named Jane in the meeting.

Question: Could you summarize the status of the new microphones?

Response: The participants have a required conversation on the state of the new microphones. As they converse, the two new microphones are being put together. They had multiple things on their minds. Above all, they ought to definitely buy the other headsets if they are noticeably more comfortable. Therefore, when they arrive, they will need to examine that.

Question: Did the participants finalize a decision on the method for sharing the transcripts with the participants?

Response: No, the participants did not finalize a decision on the method for sharing the transcripts with the participants. They discussed the advantages and disadvantages of using a web interface versus providing printed copies of the transcripts, but ultimately decided to explore both options.

Question: Did Jane request Liz to make the data clean by incorporating conventional markers?

Response: There is no participant named Jane in the meeting.