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[336.02 --> 343.32] year and studied linguistics and philosophy um with an with an a hint of political science um and then
[343.32 --> 349.66] transferred to cornell and decided you know computers are amazing let's study them let's study the
[349.66 --> 355.26] sociological the psychological the economic impact of of information and the information technologies
[355.26 --> 359.88] that we have available to us and so that's sort of what i've been doing since i transferred to cornell
[359.88 --> 365.50] wow that's uh that's quite a history man i mean i'm not really even sure what to dive deeper into except
[365.50 --> 373.18] for you know i guess uh javas is one maybe sort of somewhat fun thing to begin learning with
[373.18 --> 380.08] but maybe also just as hard and not so encouraging um but then at the same time you're kind of where
[380.08 --> 385.00] you're at now um you know you're contributing heavily to open source you look at your your
[385.00 --> 389.84] punch card on your github profile and it's just like it's straight up green so um i don't even know
[389.84 --> 395.48] how you actually do it and do school and do a lot of the stuff you do you say in your free time you
[395.48 --> 400.34] help maintain jaco i'm not sure if your free time is all the time or what but maybe we can clear that up so
[400.34 --> 408.32] well so i will say um i can give github a little bit of credit um they they will mark a box green
[408.32 --> 414.34] even if you only have one commit or you open one issue so you know my minimum on in terms of the
[414.34 --> 420.98] github uh punch card is is one thing a day one contribution a day so that's not you know not too
[420.98 --> 427.50] substantial um but it you know certainly that punch card keeps me active and keeps me busy and keeps me
[427.50 --> 433.48] me motivated which is an interesting um element of that particular feature um but i got into open
[433.48 --> 444.00] source in 2010 um do you remember the iphone tracker um which tracker um i forgot exactly what it what it
[444.00 --> 450.90] did specifically i it it would track you track where you were on an app that you could install on your
[450.90 --> 458.02] phone it would track where you were um and send that information to a server and there was some
[458.02 --> 464.28] element of of subversion within this like there was some subversive element to this app such that you
[464.28 --> 468.98] didn't necessarily know that you were being tracked maybe it was based on wi-fi address or something like
[468.98 --> 475.42] that so the um it was in a news story and maybe in the new york times that i was reading often
[475.42 --> 481.76] and so i found github because the source code for this particular app was on github and my very first
[481.76 --> 487.82] pull request was a pull request to this objective c app i'd never touched objective c in my whole life
[487.82 --> 494.82] um but there was a problem with um with closing i forget exactly what it was but with with closing
[494.82 --> 500.12] down a piece of the app um when the app was was when the user went back to the home screen
[500.12 --> 504.80] or switched to a different app um so that was my very first pull request in objective c
[504.80 --> 513.48] um and that was i guess the my very first pull request being in the fall of 2010 right after i
[513.48 --> 519.56] had started at mcgill and i was just getting into a friend of mine um well an acquaintance rather um
[519.56 --> 526.60] from rochester where i'm from um it works at apple now and was a huge buff he used he was part of the
[526.60 --> 532.50] the team that made cloud the cloud app okay um nick paulson he's sort of been one of my like programming
[532.50 --> 540.56] heroes um over the last several years in that he is just like a prodigy um exceptional at what he does
[540.56 --> 546.92] um so i sort of got to know him a little bit through a mutual friend and got to know his work
[546.92 --> 553.58] and was interested in mac and iphone programming thought you know this will be great but then was
[553.58 --> 558.28] a little bit worried because it was so tied to to particular products it wasn't something that i could
[558.28 --> 563.60] run anywhere it was if the iphone doesn't exist then my job doesn't exist so i sort of moved away
[563.60 --> 570.82] from that platform centric right all right um but yeah so i i found open source to this iphone tracker
[570.82 --> 576.92] project and in a way got hooked i would keep going back to github more and more as time went by
[576.92 --> 585.94] um and the summer before my junior year which was i guess the summer of 2012 i worked for um several
[585.94 --> 591.76] companies but i worked for cornell in the college of agriculture and life sciences communications
[591.76 --> 596.16] department not the academic department but in the sort of college communications department
[596.16 --> 602.42] and we were rebuilding our site and i'd used jekyll a little bit heard about it and said why don't we
[602.42 --> 607.16] use jekyll for this site it'll be great it's all of the uh the information that they needed or
[607.16 --> 612.94] you know the requirements for the site um the cals.cornell.edu which is still running jekyll at the moment
[612.94 --> 619.72] um all the requirements were were perfect they they fit the bill perfectly for a static site
[619.72 --> 625.28] generator so i was like let's use jekyll and we used jekyll and it was kind of painful um and i was
[625.28 --> 630.58] writing a lot of plugins and and hacking around um and going through the source code and sort of learn
[630.58 --> 638.44] the ins and outs of how jekyll worked through that experience and also the annoyance um of there were
[638.44 --> 644.28] string encoding errors and you know the file system watcher was uh directory watcher was still really
[644.28 --> 651.74] old and so so there was a lot to be done and i recognized this um and in december i said you know
[651.74 --> 657.32] i really like this project and i really want to see it succeed and so i emailed tom press and warner
[657.32 --> 663.84] um and he eventually got back to me around christmas time and was like let's skype and so we chatted on
[663.84 --> 670.06] skype and um he was like all right i'm going to give you a contributor access to the repo um you
[670.06 --> 674.18] seem to know what you're doing um just don't merge any pull requests don't change anything in master
[674.18 --> 679.92] yet great so like just go through the issues and so i spent my entire winter break going through the
[679.92 --> 688.10] issues on majumbo jekyll um and went through like 300 or 400 in the first week um just sort of going
[688.10 --> 695.64] through and closing the ones that were um that we you know had to close because they were past done or
[695.64 --> 704.32] um it was a quick fix or whatever and um and actually one day so i was in rochester for that
[704.32 --> 712.72] time and um nick coronto um q rush crush yeah um on twitter and github um was also a contributor to
[712.72 --> 718.24] to jekyll he had access from you know from early on um and he's in buffalo and buffalo is only about
[718.24 --> 724.64] an hour away drive from rochester so i went one night to a buffalo open hack night um and he and i
[724.64 --> 729.96] hacked on on jekyll um which was awesome and we closed a lot of issues as a result of that that one
[729.96 --> 735.04] night so just sort of got more and more involved and became more and more obsessed with this product
[735.04 --> 743.96] um and the potential of static sites um and sort of continued on and i went in january late january
[743.96 --> 751.20] of of 2013 i decided to take a semester off from school altogether and went to go work for um sex
[751.20 --> 757.86] wunderkinder in berlin they make wonderlist right and um and i loved wonderlist and i love the people
[757.86 --> 762.76] that were that work there um so i was like hey you know is there a possibility that i could intern with
[762.76 --> 767.50] you and they interviewed me and they were like you should come intern um and so of course yes
[767.50 --> 776.66] what have you and so i i went to go intern um and learned a lot there um which you know which was
[776.66 --> 781.36] and it was an absolutely amazing experience so you're actually in germany or just did you intern
[781.36 --> 787.14] from here in the states i was i was actually living in berlin i lived on chalsea just off of
[787.14 --> 796.50] no on chalsea straße um right there in in mitte wow so so i i had a lot of free time because in
[796.50 --> 802.04] college i didn't i don't have a lot of free time when i'm in classes um but i have a lot of free time
[802.04 --> 809.02] when i'm working nine to five so which is surprising to me um so i was i was you know hacking on jekyll more
[809.02 --> 816.50] and more and we released 1.0 by may and so this is what about i guess may of 2013 right yep
[816.50 --> 821.54] just about a year ago so you you've kind of had this pattern of impressing people and getting the
[821.54 --> 828.04] right connections i i guess pretty much early on and then using that as as a way to bootstrap your
[828.04 --> 834.08] skill set and bootstrap your abilities and kind of get in the right places so how much i guess maybe
[834.08 --> 839.58] to rewind maybe a tiny bit how much do you know about the earlier days of of jekyll and kind of where
[839.58 --> 845.38] it came from and its philosophy and then i guess now uh as of this past may which would be one year
[845.38 --> 851.80] since 1.0 basically right so you got 2.0 that just came out yep yeah so i don't actually know
[851.80 --> 856.76] very much about the early days i know it used to be called auto blog um so it was originally very
[856.76 --> 863.90] focused on blogging um and originally very um more blog centric than than blog aware as it as it now
[863.90 --> 870.98] states right um i'm not sure what what tom's original wishes for it were i think he just wanted
[870.98 --> 874.66] to write a static blog and didn't like any of the products that were available and so he wrote it
[874.66 --> 881.66] um along with along with nick so i'm not really sure about the early days but the philosophy was
[881.66 --> 888.22] was in the readme um a blog aware and and in the um github description as well a blog aware static site
[888.22 --> 894.44] generator so i sort of took that and based on the issues and how people were using it um molded it into
[894.44 --> 898.68] something that i thought people would like yeah let's talk about that a little bit then because
[898.68 --> 907.94] um i it almost seems like you're you you've said a couple times a product uh you kind of act even i
[907.94 --> 913.10] would you probably would agree with this but um like a product manager like you listen to the crowd
[913.10 --> 917.98] or you kind of um you know you go through the like you'd mentioned you know earlier in the in your
[917.98 --> 923.18] history with with jekyll that you kind of went through several hundred issues in a weekend to kind of
[923.18 --> 928.74] get a heartbeat of where it's at what kind of um a telltale signs i guess did you use that are
[928.74 --> 934.06] inherent in issues with jekyll that helped you understand where it was coming from or where it
[934.06 --> 939.02] needed to go to be successful for the people that were using it that's a really awesome question i
[939.02 --> 945.86] think um when i was going through the issues the biggest of course uh indicator of of a problem or a
[945.86 --> 951.12] feature that should be implemented is the sheer number of comments on the um on the issue if there's
[951.12 --> 957.00] an issue like for right now there's an issue that stands open um for incremental regeneration uh
[957.00 --> 962.40] basically taking a site that's already been built um understanding the current state and then only