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**Daniel Stenberg:** Yeah. But I just wanted to say that about hobbies - I do it for fun, so it's not really about getting paid for it. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Daniel Stenberg:** But then on the other hand, as I said, it's been my big hobby since a lot of years, and I think it has influenced my life and my career and everything I do pretty much. So where I am today is a lot because of what I've done. So I think in the end, I think it's been really helpful. |
I work for Mozilla now, so it was a really -- the hiring process at Mozilla has been a lot of talking about "Yeah, I have a lot of code in public, and I do know a lot about protocols." I didn't have to explain that a lot, since everything is there; everything is public, we've been discussing it for years. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, Jerod read the list earlier, so... |
**Daniel Stenberg:** Yeah, exactly. So for example, I'm working for Mozilla today a lot thanks to my work with curl of course. So what started a long time ago is now at this point. And I've had so much fun and I think I've managed so well in so many areas, so yeah, I would say that I'm definitely a net win with everyth... |
**Jerod Santo:** It's like the ultimate hacker credential. It's like "I wrote curl", and then they just hire you, right? |
**Daniel Stenberg:** Yeah, pretty much. |
**Jerod Santo:** I thought so. \[laughter\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It's funny you said that, because -- I guess it's okay to say it on air... But before we got on the call, we were joking... So everyone's who's listening to this \[unintelligible 00:50:22.23\] "Daniel, you're like the O.G." and then you said "The O.H." for the Original Hacker, because you've been th... |
**Daniel Stenberg:** \[laughs\] Right. |
**Jerod Santo:** Tim-Berners Lee. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah, Tim-Berners Lee. |
**Daniel Stenberg:** Yeah... Well, of course, you can think of a lot of people. |
**Jerod Santo:** There's been a lot that's changed over the years. We've talked about the name-changing - we've talked about your version control systems changing, your license changing, you've had four different jobs... If there's anything that's stayed the same over the 17-year life span of this project, what would t... |
**Daniel Stenberg:** I think there's a lot of things that are still the same... Working in open source - you work with people, and I think that people are mostly the same still. So I would say that there are still the same whiners, the same people who are doing things, the same type of criticism... No matter what you d... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[52:28\] For those who listen to this show, they know we have some awesome closing questions we tail off the call with, but... I'm kind of curious what your favorite moment over the last 17 years might have been. If there's something that just clearly stands out to you as like "That was the day" or... |
**Daniel Stenberg:** I think there's been a lot of good moments, in particular when I realized who has been using curl. Like, wow... Suddenly, I realized that Facebook uses curl. And then I suddenly realized, "Wow, that's quite a lot of users", or stuff like that. But I especially remember one moment, and that is when ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** On NASDAQ. |
**Daniel Stenberg:** NASDAQ. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Daniel Stenberg:** It was a bunch of years ago, and it was an ad for some -- I don't remember really what it was, but it was a big freakin' curl command line on a billboard in Silicon Valley. That was a good moment. |
**Jerod Santo:** I think one thing that really resonated with \[unintelligible 00:53:55.18\] one who passed away recently, but who touched a lot of people... One of his favorite things to do was to go to the Apple Store and fire up a terminal and do \[unintelligible 00:54:07.11\] his baby. He had many libraries, but th... |
**Daniel Stenberg:** Well, of course. It's really satisfying, and kind of an ego boost thing... But as I said, they don't tell you about it; it wasn't that someone called me and said "Hey, we're using your stuff." |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. |
**Daniel Stenberg:** It was more like, suddenly, one day, someone mentioned it to me. "Oh, you know that it's included here. Oh, look." They've been doing it for years and I had no idea. |
**Jerod Santo:** Like a discovery... |
**Daniel Stenberg:** Yeah. So in a lot of these cases I don't know it exactly when it happens; I just realize at some point in time that "Oh, they've been doing this" and for how long they've been doing it. Like in the Apple case, for example - I have no idea when I realized Apple was including curl all the time; I had... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Sneaky, sneaky Apple... |
**Daniel Stenberg:** But of course, it's a huge ego boost. These days, so many things are network connected, and an enormous amount of things that are using curl just to download things these days... And there are so many different things, like cars, or TVs, or printers, or routers, or whatever. It's fascinating. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[56:01\] We have a couple questions for you... I know we shared them earlier, so you may have been thinking about a couple of these... But one favorite we love to ask - and I'm really curious to hear what yours is - is who is your programming hero? |
**Daniel Stenberg:** Yeah, I've been thinking about that question. I think it's a good question. I don't know. The one who immediately came to mind is Richard Stallman, because that's one of those original guys who managed to do so much. The guy who made GCC, Emacs, GDB, and a lot of those early days tools that are sti... |
**Jerod Santo:** He may not care too much, since you switched off the GPL... \[laughter\] He probably quit listening right about then, so... |
**Daniel Stenberg:** Yeah, he's an interesting character in general, actually... \[laughs\] |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. |
**Daniel Stenberg:** But then I would say that also people like Linus Torvalds, for example, is also someone who has managed to get to a point and do what he likes, in a way, to keep integrity and stuff in a very successful way. I'm impressed by that. I would like to get into a position like that. But I shouldn't compl... |
You asked before - I didn't mention it, but these days, when I'm employed by Mozilla, I'm getting paid to actually work on curl part-time, so I do part-time curl on work hours these days. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Well, I would say that Mozilla is pretty interested in security, and just the general ability for the internet, so I would say that that's nice to see, to say "Yeah, good. Go ahead, Daniel. Work on curl when you get a chance, during your workday." |
**Daniel Stenberg:** Yeah. It matches with what Mozilla stands for and wants to do, so yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I know that this is using some of your language you've written elsewhere, on the curl side or on your own side - you mentioned you've got a long list of things to do; you mentioned you've got this upcoming two-month span of working full-time... But while you're doing that, or maybe in the future, wh... |
**Daniel Stenberg:** In general, for an open source project - or all open source projects, really; not all, but most of them are on demand in terms of people who are actually doing things... So for me, for example, I would appreciate it if people would just help with bug reports, and just help reproduce bug reports, or... |
Then there is of course also this -- I have for example a to-do list, at least 20, 40, 60 things that we could add to curl if somebody wanted to do it and somebody just spent the time and the energy to do it... So there's both highs and lows, depending on what you can do and what you feel for. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Let's talk about your open source radar then... Since this is your labor of love, it seems like it might be the only thing you get to play with, but if you had a weekend, is there any project out there that's in the open source world, that you're like "Man, if I only didn't have all these bugs for c... |
**Daniel Stenberg:** \[01:00:11.06\] I am a library foundation kind of person, so whatever I do is usually around those -- it's networking, it's libraries, it's doing things like that. So if I have a weekend off at some point, I don't do a new project. I spend time on my existing projects. But if I would do a new proje... |
I started on a Speedy library previously, to do the Speedy protocol, and stuff like that, because then I could use that in the existing projects that I do. So I'm kind of narrow, and I don't experiment -- I don't go very, very far from what I'm doing. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** You've got your safe trail and you like to hang out there. |
**Daniel Stenberg:** Yeah, I like my little cozy corner here. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that at all. |
**Daniel Stenberg:** Right. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's good stuff. Well, Daniel - you know, with such history and such O.G. behind you, I can't help to just be excited to have this conversation with you. I know that it's been a long road, but it seems like you've been having fun along the way. Somehow you've stayed motivated, somehow you've staye... |
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