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**Gerhard Lazu:** I know it was so hard for you, because this was the European one, and the European one - you have to wake up, and you have to be there. You can't record yourself. |
**Constance Caramanolis:** Yeah... |
**Stephen Augustus:** Fair... \[laughs\] I think that's the part that makes it fun... Not so much the timezone shifts for a lot of people. We try not to do the MC-ing recorded, because it allows us to kind of react to the day and weave in stories from people who are experiencing KubeCon, maybe even for the first time..... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** \[04:24\] Yeah, that's right. It makes a big difference. I know it's hard, and I've seen it... But you've done such an amazing job. So if this is like that, or if this was the way it was, considering all the things, how is Los Angeles going to be? I'm looking forward to that. |
**Constance Caramanolis:** Los Angeles - we hope there's gonna be an in-person... it is marked as happening right now, we hope the in-person part is gonna happen. So if the in-person part happens, we're kind of expecting it to be smaller than other North Americas, and also EU, partially, because we don't know what trav... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. I don't know what that means, but I'm intrigued. Do you know what it means, Stephen? |
**Stephen Augustus:** I do, I do. I think we're still playing around with the idea, so I don't wanna give away too much just yet... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. You don't mean Sponge Bob, by any chance, right? This is a different Bob. |
**Constance Caramanolis:** No, no, no. |
**Stephen Augustus:** Different Bob. Different Bob. |
**Constance Caramanolis:** He was the presenter for this game show a while back; there's a new presenter now, his first name is Drew Carey or Drew Carey Flint to give people more hints if they want to Google it afterwards. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay, okay... |
**Constance Caramanolis:** Especially like -- since we have a lot more impact on the keynote... We have a huge impact on the content, but as you're saying, our personality is where we get to change things up in keynotes... So we're trying to make it a little bit more like -- because it is a show; we just kind of forget... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** I think the show idea is super-important, because if you make it fun... A show has to be fun; well, it should be fun, right? |
**Stephen Augustus:** It should be fun. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** If you approach it like that, you have some amazing elements there. Tinfoil hats? I love those. That was a great idea. |
**Stephen Augustus:** \[laughs\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** And then the best part was like "Which tinfoil hats?" That was even better. Like, "How do you mean?" That was so good. I love that. |
**Stephen Augustus:** We're silly people, and I think we often weave these bits into the show... So I think if you're gonna do a bit, you should commit to it. I think we've had questions and comments in the past about there being conspiracies in cloud-native, so we decided to play on that. And then with a conspiracy, t... |
**Constance Caramanolis:** It's also like we have distinct jokes. I think it'd be like we'd have to rehearse it beforehand. |
**Stephen Augustus:** Yeah, I think a lot of it sometimes is off the cuff, and eventually kind of like just evolves day of... The promo videos that we did for North America Virtual - that was just a few takes, and we had that idea pretty much day of. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** So for those of you that are listening and are wondering who are these wonderful people that joined me today, and if you don't recognize, we have Constance Caramanolis, and Stephen Augustus. |
**Constance Caramanolis:** Yeah, you got it. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Both co-chairs. Constance was a co-chair since 2020, and I don't know about you, Stephen... |
**Stephen Augustus:** 2020 - yeah, that sounds about right. |
**Constance Caramanolis:** China, right? |
**Stephen Augustus:** Yeah, so I believe China was the first... Yeah, we've been doing it for a little bit now. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** \[08:18\] Nice. So for those that are still confused, they're not the co-chairs of China or Europe; they're co-chairs of KubeCon/CloudNativeCon Europe, China, North America. These are like the three big conferences in the cloud-native, Kubernetes (but mostly cloud-native) world. |
**Stephen Augustus:** Just a quick clarification... The China event is now I believe OSS Summit China, maybe... So the primary KubeCon CloudNativeCon events are North America and EU. We do kind of like a region-specific for China moving forward... And Constance and I are not directly involved in that. |
**Constance Caramanolis:** Not anymore, yeah. It's also because it's all up in the air too, because our co-chair reign of terror ends after North America... So China is supposed to be like afterwards, so Jasmine might know. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Who's Jasmine? I'm glad that you mentioned Jasmine. Who's Jasmine? |
**Stephen Augustus:** Jasmine is our lovely, new co-chair. So we are actually expanding the roster from two to three co-chairs. What we've been doing every cycle is essentially we have a few chairs, or two chairs who were doing it, and then as one is getting ready to roll off, we pull in a new one. Those chairs tend to... |
With Jasmine coming in - Jasmine is an engineering manager, and the engineering effectiveness organization at Twitter, and what I love about that is that Jasmine is also -- I think each of us have been end users in the past in some way, shape or form. Jasmine started her cloud-native journey as an end user, so we're ge... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** That's actually really interesting, that perspective, in that you're on the inside, Jasmine is on the outside, in a way, end user, and Constance is everywhere, because she's observability; she observes it all. |
**Constance Caramanolis:** I do observe it all. That's correct. |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. So I know that Stephen is Caesar of Systems, and I think that's self-proclaimed... But what about you, Constance? Do you have a tagline like that? That was very catchy, Stephen. Great job if it was you. If it was someone else, great job to someone else. |
**Stephen Augustus:** Yeah, definitely me. \[laughs\] |
**Constance Caramanolis:** \[12:02\] I don't necessarily have a tagline, but for people who know me, I always have questions... And I guess it kind of goes with observability. Observability is all about answering the questions you have, and I just ask a lot of questions. So I guess that maybe I'll be the question maste... |
**Stephen Augustus:** The riddler! \[laughs\] |
**Constance Caramanolis:** Oh, the riddler... \[laughs\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Right. So you should be asking the questions, not me... Right? Is that what you're trying to say? |
**Constance Caramanolis:** No, it's more of like my role is right now Splunk -- I switched to a product, but I'm always the person being like "Hey, so for our end users, why are we doing that?" How does that actually impact them? And I apply that also to open telemetry. So I'm always the person asking "But why? Okay, b... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. So is there a Why question regarding this KubeCon, the EU KubeCon - is there a Why question that is on your mind, that wasn't the answer yet? |
**Constance Caramanolis:** I haven't thought about that that much. Personally, both Stephen and I have had a lot of big changes these past few weeks and few months. I had to be in Canada for a family emergency, and I just came back from Canada and moved to a new house, so I've been kind of just compartmentalizing... Bu... |
**Gerhard Lazu:** Okay. The one thing which I was wondering about KubeCon - there are many, many... Like, what you've just mentioned, for example, I wouldn't have known. You compartmentalized really, really well. If that's a compliment, I'm giving it as such. It's really hard, especially in this day and age; everything... |
Speaking of changes on compartmentalizing, I was looking at your Twitter, Stephen, about your clothes shopping. That was really interesting. Like "Finally, I'm getting to do this. I'm going to shop for some clothes", right? I think there's like a really good story there. For those that want to check it out, it's all on... |
**Stephen Augustus:** Clothes! Yeah. I am part of our co-chair of the unofficial one of the cool SIGs, SIG Fashion. SIGs are Special Interest Groups. I think what we've done with the in-person events is while they haven't been like official events, we try to have fun with it, so there's like SIG Bike, and folks that ar... |
I think part of bringing your entire self to the conference is expression, and part of how I express myself is by how I dress. So as we were getting ready to get this started, I realized "We've done so many of these events", and at this point I was like "I think they've seen all my cool stuff. I have to go shopping." S... |
I think often the adrenaline of deadlines allows you to do things more effectively, even though it's not necessarily the best way to do things. So knowing that KubeCon was coming up, and I was like "I have no new clothes for the stage. I have to go shopping." \[laughs\] |
**Gerhard Lazu:** \[15:59\] That was a good one. And Constance was paying attention, because she knew that you're missing a hat. So maybe that's how the idea came about? Like "Hm... He bought everything except the hat. I'll make you a hat you cannot buy." And this is exactly what happened. |
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