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La Cour!
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JudgeP
Guido Raimondi
Please be seated. I declare open the public hearing on the merits in the case of Lekic versus Slovenia. The application was lodged with the court on 4 August 2007 on the Article 34 of the convention by a Slovenian national, Mr. Ljubomir Lekic. The application was allocated to the fourth section of the court pursuant to...
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['Please be seated.', 'I declare open the public hearing on the merits in the case of Lekic versus Slovenia.', 'The application was lodged with the court on 4 August 2007 on the Article 34 of the convention by a Slovenian national, Mr. Ljubomir Lekic.', 'The application was allocated to the fourth section of the court ...
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Applicant
AP3
Mr. President, distinguished judges of the court, the main issues raised by the present case transcends the personal interests of the applicant. They originate in a domestic legislation that has no precedent in the European legal landscape and that give rise to important questions of general interest not only for Slove...
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['Mr. President, distinguished judges of the court,', 'the main issues raised by the present case transcends the personal interests of the applicant.', "They originate in a domestic legislation that has no precedent in the European legal landscape and that give rise to important questions of general interest not only f...
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Applicant
AP2
Mr. President, distinguished judges of the court, I will address the applicant's complaint concerning the failure to personally serve on him the strike-off decisions issued by the District Court of Ljubljana against the company in which he held a minority share. Admittedly, the applicant had no actual or constructive k...
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['Mr. President, distinguished judges of the court,', "I will address the applicant's complaint concerning the failure to personally serve on him the strike-off decisions issued by the District Court of Ljubljana against the company in which he held a minority share.", 'Admittedly, the applicant had no actual or constr...
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JudgeP
Guido Raimondi
Thank you very much, Mrs. Borgna. And I call Mr. Zamboni. Please, you have the floor.
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['Thank you very much, Mrs. Borgna.', 'And I call Mr. Zamboni.', 'Please, you have the floor.']
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Applicant
AP1
Thank you Mr. President, distinguished judges of the court. It is our submission that the striking off of the company from the court register and the automatic, personal, and unlimited liability of the applicant for the company's debt amount to an interference with the rights guaranteed by Article 1 of Protocol 1. This...
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['Thank you Mr. President, distinguished judges of the court.', "It is our submission that the striking off of the company from the court register and the automatic, personal, and unlimited liability of the applicant for the company's debt amount to an interference with the rights guaranteed by Article 1 of Protocol 1....
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JudgeP
Guido Raimondi
Mr. Zamboni, I apologize, may I ask you to conclude please?
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['Mr. Zamboni, I apologize, may I ask you to conclude please?']
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Applicant
AP1
Oh yes, thank you Mr. President, I get to my conclusion. The conclusion is hard indeed to avoid. The state has failed to strike a fair balance between the competing interests of the Railway of Slovenia and Mr. Leckage. The Railway of Slovenia, a big, powerful company, was put in the position to collect its entire claim...
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['Oh yes, thank you Mr. President, I get to my conclusion.', 'The conclusion is hard indeed to avoid.', 'The state has failed to strike a fair balance between the competing interests of the Railway of Slovenia and Mr. Leckage.', 'The Railway of Slovenia, a big, powerful company, was put in the position to collect its e...
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JudgeP
Guido Raimondi
Thank you very much, Mr. Zamboni. Now I call Mrs. Jovin Hrastnik. Please, you have the floor.
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['Thank you very much, Mr. Zamboni.', 'Now I call Mrs. Jovin Hrastnik.', 'Please, you have the floor.']
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Government
GR1
Distinguished Court, the applicant lodged two applications. The first application relates to the proceedings of striking off the company LE from the court register. This application has been served on the government. The second application relates, according to the applicant, to the enforcement proceedings in which his...
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['Distinguished Court, the applicant lodged two applications.', 'The first application relates to the proceedings of striking off the company LE from the court register.', 'This application has been served on the government.', 'The second application relates, according to the applicant, to the enforcement proceedings i...
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JudgeP
Guido Raimondi
Thank you very much Mrs. Hrastnik. I thank both parties for their submissions and now I invite my colleagues, the judges of the Grand Chamber who wish to do so, to put their questions to the parties. Judge Nußberger, please.
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['Thank you very much Mrs. Hrastnik.', 'I thank both parties for their submissions and now I invite my colleagues, the judges of the Grand Chamber who wish to do so, to put their questions to the parties.', 'Judge Nußberger, please.']
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Judge
Angelika Nußberger
Thank you very much. I would have one question to the applicants and two questions to the government. The question to the applicants, if I see correctly the timeline, on 19th of July 1997 there was an application for a bankruptcy procedure but it failed because the money was not paid. Two years later on 1st July 1999 t...
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['Thank you very much.', 'I would have one question to the applicants and two questions to the government.', 'The question to the applicants, if I see correctly the timeline, on 19th of July 1997 there was an application for a bankruptcy procedure but it failed because the money was not paid.', 'Two years later on 1st ...
3648007_14032018
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JudgeP
Guido Raimondi
Thank you very much. Judge Spano please.
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['Thank you very much.', 'Judge Spano please.']
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Judge
Robert Spano
Thank you very much, Mr. President. I want to begin with a question to the applicant, and it's prompted by the pleadings by the government here today, where the agent for the government refers to the pleading made at paragraph 100 of your observations, where the applicant says he does not contend that a shareholder's p...
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['Thank you very much, Mr. President.', "I want to begin with a question to the applicant, and it's prompted by the pleadings by the government here today, where the agent for the government refers to the pleading made at paragraph 100 of your observations, where the applicant says he does not contend that a shareholde...
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JudgeP
Guido Raimondi
Thank you very much. Judge Ravarani and then Judge Paczolay
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['Thank you very much.', 'Judge Ravarani and then Judge Paczolay']
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Judge
Georges Ravarani
Merci, M. le Président. J'ai une seule question factuelle qui se pose depuis la plaidoirie de la partie requérante, de son premier intervenant, mais la question s'adresse également au gouvernement. Si j'ai bien compris, l'avocat du requérant a dit que la responsabilité personnelle des associés a été introduite par la l...
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['Merci, M. le Président.', "J'ai une seule question factuelle qui se pose depuis la plaidoirie de la partie requérante, de son premier intervenant, mais la question s'adresse également au gouvernement.", "Si j'ai bien compris, l'avocat du requérant a dit que la responsabilité personnelle des associés a été introduite ...
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JudgeP
Guido Raimondi
Merci beaucoup. Judge Paczolay please.
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['Merci beaucoup. Judge Paczolay please.']
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Judge
Péter Paczolay
Thank you very much. I have two questions to the applicant and to the applicant's representatives. The first regards the factual background of the personal involvement of the applicant in the outcome of this procedure. First, why did the applicant not himself lodge an action before the competent court to be dissolved u...
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['Thank you very much.', "I have two questions to the applicant and to the applicant's representatives.", 'The first regards the factual background of the personal involvement of the applicant in the outcome of this procedure.', 'First, why did the applicant not himself lodge an action before the competent court to be ...
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JudgeP
Guido Raimondi
Thank you very much. Monsieur le juge Lemmens.
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['Thank you very much. Monsieur le juge Lemmens.']
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Judge
Paul Lemmens
Thank you very much. I would like to ask two questions, one primarily to the applicant. The applicant has argued extensively about the fact that he was not informed of the hearing relating to the strike of proceedings, nor about the decision that had been taken by the court. My question is, what would have been the pos...
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['Thank you very much.', 'I would like to ask two questions, one primarily to the applicant.', 'The applicant has argued extensively about the fact that he was not informed of the hearing relating to the strike of proceedings, nor about the decision that had been taken by the court.', 'My question is, what would have b...
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JudgeP
Guido Raimondi
Thank you very much. Judge Zalar, please.
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['Thank you very much. Judge Zalar, please.']
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Judge
Boštjan Zalar
Thank you, Mr. President. I would have two questions for both parties and one question just for the government. And the first question concerns the so-called irregularities or respect or disrespect of the principle of good corporate governance. And this is a disputed issue between the parties since the applicant says i...
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['Thank you, Mr. President.', 'I would have two questions for both parties and one question just for the government.', 'And the first question concerns the so-called irregularities or respect or disrespect of the principle of good corporate governance.', 'And this is a disputed issue between the parties since the appli...
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JudgeP
Guido Raimondi
Thank you very much. If there are no further questions, the court will now withdraw for 20 minutes, following which the parties will be able to submit brief observations in reply to each other's submissions and reply to the questions from the judges. The hearing is suspended.
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['Thank you very much.', "If there are no further questions, the court will now withdraw for 20 minutes, following which the parties will be able to submit brief observations in reply to each other's submissions and reply to the questions from the judges.", 'The hearing is suspended.']
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Announcer
UNK
La Cour!
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['La Cour!']
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JudgeP
Guido Raimondi
Please be seated. So the hearing is resumed and I call Mr. Saccucci.
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['Please be seated.', 'So the hearing is resumed and I call Mr. Saccucci.']
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Applicant
AP1
I will address the manager issue, and in so doing, I will try to respond to some of the judges' questions on this point. The government now suggests that the applicant was the actual company's manager up until 2000. But this suggestion, with all due respect, is preposterous. In fact, the applicant has served as acting ...
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["I will address the manager issue, and in so doing, I will try to respond to some of the judges' questions on this point.", "The government now suggests that the applicant was the actual company's manager up until 2000.", 'But this suggestion, with all due respect, is preposterous.', 'In fact, the applicant has served...
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JudgeP
Guido Raimondi
Thank you very much, Mr Zamboni.
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['Thank you very much, Mr Zamboni.']
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Applicant
AP2
Thank you, Mr. President. I will address some other questions posed by the judges in a joint fashion, and I will start dealing with the entry into force of Chapter 3 of the FOCA. According to Article 41 of the FOCA, the new law entered into force on 23 July 1999. According to Article 25, Paragraph 2 of the FOCA, a comp...
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['Thank you, Mr. President.', 'I will address some other questions posed by the judges in a joint fashion, and I will start dealing with the entry into force of Chapter 3 of the FOCA.', 'According to Article 41 of the FOCA, the new law entered into force on 23 July 1999.', 'According to Article 25, Paragraph 2 of the F...
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JudgeP
Guido Raimondi
Thank you very much. Mr. Saccucci please.
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['Thank you very much.', 'Mr. Saccucci please.']
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Applicant
AP3
Mr. President, very briefly on the government's procedural objection concerning foreseeability, which also addressed one of the judges' questions, the government argued that the question of foreseeability of the FOCA falls outside the scope of the case, as the applicant allegedly did not claim at all, that he was not f...
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["Mr. President, very briefly on the government's procedural objection", "concerning foreseeability, which also addressed one of the judges' questions, the government argued that the question of foreseeability of the FOCA falls outside the scope of the case, as the applicant allegedly did not claim at all, that he was ...
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JudgeP
Guido Raimondi
Thank you very much, Mr. Saccucci . I call Mrs. Jovin Hrastnik. Please, you have the floor, madam.
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['Thank you very much, Mr. Saccucci .', 'I call Mrs. Jovin Hrastnik.', 'Please, you have the floor, madam.']
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Government
GR1
First, we would like to comment on the two decisions of Maribor Courts submitted by the applicant before this hearing. These decisions refer to the personal liability of company members for the debts of the struck-off company D. The case of the company D differs from the case of the applicant's company L.E. Both compan...
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['First, we would like to comment on the two decisions of Maribor Courts submitted by the applicant before this hearing.', 'These decisions refer to the personal liability of company members for the debts of the struck-off company D.', "The case of the company D differs from the case of the applicant's company L.E.", '...
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Guido Raimondi
Thank you very much, Mrs. Jovin Hrastnik. And we have now come to the end of the hearing. I thank the parties for their submissions and their answers to the court's questions. The court will now deliberate on the merits. The judgment will be delivered later and the parties will be informed of the date of delivery. I de...
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['Thank you very much, Mrs. Jovin Hrastnik.', 'And we have now come to the end of the hearing.', "I thank the parties for their submissions and their answers to the court's questions.", 'The court will now deliberate on the merits.', 'The judgment will be delivered later and the parties will be informed of the date of ...