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PNH33705_220423_1300_1012_gt_final.docx | erm no thanks for your explanation okay okay david this one uh i can er introduce my personal life is it okay er my name is jadey i very happy er in my life in in a sense that i have a very nice husband and my daughter and er i really appreciate uh that at this moment in time my life everything goes smoothly and currently i'm working in er at the h_c_a hospice the past thirty five years, i was working in s_i_a and er as well as er because of the covid er some most of them have retrenched i also one of them but i was lucky that er i was a given a chance to join m_o_e okay for for one year but why i i quit from from m_o_e because i would like to join hospital industry this is er one of my ambition okay so currently i'm really happy that i join er h_c_a hospice from this er this er h_c_a hospice, i learn a lot of things and i also saw many things from there such as er very nice er doctors and nurses they have their patient, passion and er to look after all the patients when patient needed help as well as the family and er as for my duty, i actually an administrator so when the er meaning means when after the er the nurses, doctor they went to visit the patient, all the record they will come back to us and that we need to check carefully and install all the data into the systems and er cannot make any mistakes because this is very important and i'm very glad that i learn from this job is even though uh patient has er passed away our er what you call medical social worker, nurses and they will follow up with the condolences, follow with the family how how they how is their processing er yah catch up with them the how they you know how they manage their manage the loss with their their their sibling so i i learn a lot of things from here i i never regret that i join h_c_a hospice and i will do my very best for this job i find that this part er in singapore it's very important for everyone because everyone will grow old and i would er i will be er think that it will be good er focus have every part of erm er illness means as well as try to er explore to every area such as the whole world in singapore such as uh sengkang lah, punggol lah, bedok all areas so every area of the pass of resident or they needed help they can easily come back they can go to h_c_a hospice or others er you know uh uh hospital for help so erm beside this i also find that er in my life i also learn a lot of things from s_i_a also in a sense that i was in s_i_a i learnt to make how to make er booking reservation for passengers uh some passengers they request for special meal request, special seats request as well as i also encounter that we have to arrange oxygens for some uh med~ patients passengers uh to we'll need to block the seats for passengers it depending what type of aircraft so we block accordingly so from s_i_a also learn a lot of things ah you know this is actually a must be patient with er passengers, uh listen listen carefully what they need, uh what they need help from us also subsequently i also because i like to learn a lot of things so i have promoted to flight er controller meaning means i can in i'm in charge of australia's region so i must er ensure the flight when they when the flight departed ensure the is ensure it'a full load okay uh it depending of er off peak or peak period so we have to study this very carefully and then as well as some uh school holiday during your school holiday we have to be very careful to overbook the flight erm of course i also been to i_t department i_t yah i_t department as well as in charge of test system, life systems okay test system in in in a in a way that we have to have a storage clean~ cleaning meaning means a lot of our user they they test your programme so we must ensure that uh sufficient enough uh storage for them to do the testing after testing when they cut cut into the life system we must ensure the programme successfully no no issue in case got any issue we have to sort of call er stop the programme okay we have to do the back up so the programmer must also er with us as well as i also er branch out to cabin crew cabin crew department cabin crew department er i in charge of cabin crew interview okay this is a er very important job in a sense that this is confidential er confidential detail such as crew er particular details, their score marks, interview score marks this is very confidential so when the boss bosses select a staff they must make sure the staff is is a i should say that it should be good and then er must be keep the record confidential uh we what i did in the past is i collate all the c_b_t question, computer base test question from individual department, various department and i store all the questions inside the system after storing i have to test out is there any discrepency or whatever so after that if everything is good so i have to arrange er crew come for the c_b_t test first cannot make error because what happen if the crew supposed to come for the test today and unfortunately they if i overlook they are now at hong kong in hong kong then i will get into trouble so first round they have to go for the test first and then once they pass the test of course second round we have to arrange for the interview and for the crew as well as invite all the interviewers all these cannot make mistake because sometime the interviewer is supposed to come today but last minute they have some changes so i have to do the swopping, change a and b interviewer as well as i have to change the record because the a, b swap so the record the name everything i have to change as well as crew sometime they we rearrange scheduled the date for them next monday last minute crew can't cannot make it they also request for the change but this this one the for the crew, if they request for the change for the interview date they are quite very strict unless er reason is like compassionate case or blah blah we we will allowe them to change so as well as we have to shift their record so this i also learn a lot of things also so i'm quite glad that erm in my life i i learn many things um thank you david um yah m_o_e from there er i like m_o_e i in a sense that i managed a lot of children okay i was in primary school, saint hilda primary school and the people there are very nice and the children are very cute okay very cute uh they also needed i so they needed help some children they primary one for example primary one student ah all of a sudden they come to my place they will tell me aunty i poop poop means they poop poop on on the pants so because er we know that primary one they don't know how to clean okay aunty jadey make the er initiative to clean for her i brought her to the toilet wash up everything and then er after that i will call the the mum and told her that i'm going to throw the pants away for the her children because why er before we throw the pants, we have to call the parents because some parents they find that eh i still want it back so for me our duty we have to call the parents if the parents said okay it's fine so uh we dry and clean for her everything so the parents quite appreciate my my initiative to clean everything for her and make her comfortable and then beside this er some children they after running they have a fall, then we have to sort of call er clean up for them er we have to <unk> plus clean up er all the do the medication, apply cream for them so erm in m_o_e, i also learn a lot of things from them they are so cute sometimes you know they they can er they they needed our help lah i should say that as well as er m_o_e record is also must we er must be strictly confidential also um so from there i also learn okay thank you wah yes er is it personal or can include personal also a~ anything okay okay first key uh i would like to mention about my family because i have a very nice husband as well as my i have a very nice daughter currently, she study n_t_u she's very good girl and she always take care of me and er wherever i needed help, she will take care of me as well as my husband so i always very appreciate god giving me er such a nice er family i would like to take this opportunity to thank my husband as well as my daughter wen ling for taking care of me i am thank you to them second key is er sorry sorry okay okay one more time david sorry erm i should say that er sometimes i because of work, i'm quite upset okay upset er trouble with the work, when i come back and i will share with my husband and my daughter and they will give me opinion they will give they will give me opinion and they will share with me er what am i supposed to do er and then they will er also point out my mistakes okay they will point out my mistakes they will ask me mum is your mistake is something like that like that like that then they will ask me to improve and from here er they will ask me er next time in future be more careful that er er when you work when you work with your colleagues er as well as how you handle the work, all must be careful so from their er sharing i also pick up their opinion and i improve myself and try to to learn from them yes oh this is very important to me if i don't have a nice family definitely that it will affected my life okay it will definitely affected my my emotional er my er cannot focus er um whatever i do especially my work so i find that family bonding is very important for everyone so uh personally, i find that important for me can thank you david one more time sorry david er that is definitely yes the reason is because er having a nice family so er if we don't have a nice family it will more or less affected er er so in singapore such as the divorcee will be increased because er you don't have a nice family er couple will be every time quarrelling it will be increase the divorcee percentage and they will also will be affected our children in terms of emotional so i find that er it will be affected er er sort of in singapore also our country also er yes i've personal~ my answer is yes yah erm divorcee er rate will be increased okay as well as a lot of er some if they cannot take it, they will commit suicide some of the family if er very badly er er the con~ the bonding part is very bad it happened in singapore that commit suicide cases will be increased also some mum they will they will throw their children down first, then they will follow the mum also will jump down so if this one will be connected as well erm commit suicides er percentage will be increased as well as the divorcee rate will be er building up lah these these these are the two main concern which i need to er mention i find er to me my personal i find that is more um er i find it's the connected to singapore as well as percentage quite high lah can i say that er yah uh this one is the things that are more concerned affected the children's feeling emotional as well as er er commit suicide cases and as well as er er divorcee er increased ah um thank you david i hope i answered the questions sorry okay yah sure yah sure okay second key in detail is er personally i like singapore i am a singaporean i like to stay in singapore in a sense that singapore is a safe country in okay educational wise, government also taking care of as well as er er those senior citizens hospitalisations er charges er government are doing er doing well lah okay so i like to stay in singapore er yah i'm singaporean so all along staying yah because in the past i was staying at kampung type in my time ah the toilet is talk about toilet ah compare until the er my generation last time when i was your the toilet is those kampung no there is no such thing as toliet bowl the facility is very bad equally bad we have to sorry ah after we pass out the motion just leave it there until one week the man will come and collect one or twice er so we talking about this uh compare with current currently ah current singapore government is really er doing so much of improvement, achievement of all these so i find that uh it's very er a great stay in singapore uh david because you are not born our our our time so maybe you i think your parents will know lah because the toilet is very horrible maybe there got cockroach, rat ah all these you know so this part is very can can tell already from this part that government is doing well, improving er er parts of er you know and er secondly is er last time you stay at kampung and then the if let's say i'm not feeling well i'm sick we have to take a long journey to come out from the village okay go go to you know but now we are so convenient downstairs is just a clinic near our h_d_b block okay er m_r_t er you can take l_r_t or buses go to any clinic which nearest to our house er i because i find that for me i find that safety okay safety wise, it's good convenient convenient in a sense that the transportation we have m_r_t, we have buses we can we can check the buses schedule, what time arrived to bus stops and then we have er airport airport er and the these are the main key things er educational lah and er hospital and these are the main things that i find that i would like to stay in singapore one more time please er david erm maybe can elaborate a little bit more of your questions oh er for me i find that the with all these key of course got other other case ah okay because really short time we cannot er talk more but er is it er as we go by we we know that er this one is very important for our singaporean and then this this is actually uh with all these er i mentioned just now it also can let the young generation to find a good opportunity to find a job okay to support their family as well as they can with all these er er all these er all these this hospital, airport all these thing i mentioned m_r_t young generation also can er have the chance to to improve it if they encounter any things that they find that need to improve er technology wise i_t i_t wise also er very important in singapore erm young chil~ young generation like you all also er very intelligent nowaday er with the i_t so you also can erm you all young generation also can try and improve er with the i_t technology er definitely okay my answer is definitely david the other things i would like to highlight is i don't know whether is it uh good to highlight it will good that because everyone will grow older the pros over which erm it will be good that inside take er er it will be good that every erm cross over bridge with lift with lift l i f t to every cross over bridge because er okay yah cross over bridge every er cross over bridge it will be good to have a lift reason is because the talk about my area ah punggol i saw a blind er blind lady ah er crossing the over bridge it's so tough for her so tough for her so er for her it's very dangerous because she's blind so as and when when i see her i will help her you know er bring her to cross over the bridge and as well as i know because everyday i've been seeing her so i know what bus she's she's taking i will help her to guide her along when the bus arrived so it's good that every part every lift must ah i should say must have a lift in term of er some old folks lady they go to after doing marketing ah, they can't carry so they what they do is what they did they go all the way to traffic light walk one big round go back to their house they cannot carry the what they have carry heavy things from the er cross over bridge there okay um thank you thank you okay third key er i should say that er er there's no right or wrong right okay thirdly that i would sort of call er it will be good that er in singapore it will be good to have just now i mentioned lift in every er cross over bridge secondly that would it be good that er we don't have this er er four_d four_d so casino they have no choice because casino is actually er er casino is actually for those tourists you know er i personally i personally find out that eh would it be good that er er in singapore we don't have four_d so it will help singaporean uh to save some money and then er no gambling no gambling and er er because nature is very er difficult to control on on these parts because they find that eh er hope there's a hope there i buy four_d the words hope ah but they not knowing that it will it will spend more some er even spend all the money bankrupt all these you know so it also will cause this er it also will cause er family problem family issue also so i personally find that eh it will be good that they stop four_d ah so everyone can you know like op~ opinion maybe i'm wrong ah david er not really not really i find that eh er not really part of my own story lah i should say not connected one of my friends she so she so cute ah david she just don't understand that why ah people like to gamble so one day she she purposely she go and buy er ticket going to the what what is the place called ah er horse racing but i can't remember which m_r_t station because i never been there in my life so from her own eyes she saw so many people, so many old folks they are so excited with the horse racing you know they they also her first time going in ah because she just want to to have the feel why people like to go there so so from there she also saw she learn things also lah so first time also last time going there lah orh in my life story ah okay sorry okay my life story i appreciate that er er my father before she before he passed away he my father love me very much my parents love me very much uh anything personal things er they will come and ask me i feel proud of myself that er i taking care of them er all these all these all these while er i also very hap~ feel proud of myself that before my father erm was not feeling well he asked me to because we are we are staying at er my father staying at landed property so it was a day my father asked me to come to the garden and meet him so er sharing with me what he what is his plan before he pass away so er this is the the part i feel so proud of myself before he he passed away so er that's my personal you know personal sharing with you um er i find that it's very important for me because er i help my father to fulfil what he he want me to do it is the key point main key point and erm the second key point is er he needed help he want to listen to my opinion so which i shared with him then er and er promise him that you know whatever he he want me to to help him to achieve yah that's all um um look after my mom look after my mum look er look after my er my er brother and sister um as and when when needed help thank you david erm this one more or less i should say um is because this part is quite sensitive issue because it's individual er family so er connected is definitely i should say erm connected to singapore i should say er correct me if i'm wrong ah not really lah not really er because it's very personal er issue you see okay thanks david think oh er high point very high point in my er to me my life i find that very high point because er i have a very nice family erm i have a sort of call a nice working environment in er h_c_a hospice er i find my my life is very happy, sufficient and keep on learning and moving until now at this moment in time and er sup~ very supportive from my family yes er no family this point yes this event is actually to me i find it's very good because er you are cooperating and er all the informations okay and then from this information er you can you know that which part er er need to improve and you listen to all the the people give feedback from your feedback you also learn and improve what we are what you are supposed to to follow up and you also you yourself also learn also um um when you're talking about event is your this event right yah okay er i don't have anything to add yah but i only just want to mention again that thank you to my husband and my girl thank you yah sure oh my low i should say that er it's not it's work right it's about work right can be anything okay can be anything then i would i would like to share about my family ah er it made me very upset in the sense that er i lost two loved one in er my family within a year my father passed away after that follow after eight months my third sister passed away also this is really a this is a part i couldn't take it er my father passed away because of nose cancer and i never expect after eight months my third sister pass away i can't take it ah in a sense i can't take it erm i can't sleep and i run down by ten k_g okay so i i was so down until i need to go and visit er doctors many times because my weight it keep on dropping okay so erm i should say that this is the er i er sad story in my life um i i don't like this to happen in my family like to me ah so until now i it's still if i never think of it, it's still okay if i think of it you know very sad ah within a year, i lost my er father and my third sister thank you david er if this is er talking about my personal thing i think er i mentioned that erm er not really connected to the er you know so i a person feel that not not so connected it's individual personal story ah thanks david oh my dreams ah my dream is er firstly my my my i i i want my family to be safe, happiness and healthy it's my first point second point is i 我要 er p_t: second point is i i want er 国泰平安 p_t: peace and prosperity for the country 明明白吗 p_t: do you understand 国泰平安 means i p_t: peace and prosperity for the country means i wish my country er successfully, safe to everyone of the singaporean here those terrorists er everyone er singaporean cooperative erm living in singapore thank you david okay i would like to see myself er keep on moving, keep on learning new things and then er contribute to er h_c_a hospice to all patients patients' er siblings and do my very best for them and er and keep on moving my life thank you david thank you david okay er that is i'm talking my family there is a part that when er when my father is not feeling well uh some of my sister they find that er they want to er sort of got put my father at the hospice because it's actually quite badly lah badly already er i i'm the only one who rejected quite strongly because i know my father very well he want to pass away at home so i strongly rejected to my uh sister they all that i will never put my father at the hospice because i've been there and there is a arrangement for them to go and take a look i went there so every single room i saw all the patients my tears my tears drop oh because at the moment we are living at the very good life but not seeing that hospice there are so many patient lying down there with er oxygen some are some are very er er the oxygen tank is so so some are very er i should say should i say long or huge some are very not so this thing so wouldn't want to put my father there so i rejected very strongly with this <unk> we have a very bad argument with my sister they all so erm so at the end i very er happy that i never put my father there i think my father also too uh when he want to pass away that last minute he said he want to go back so we managed to er bring him quickly uh to reach our home his home then er immediately after about one hour he passed away so this this is the part i would like to mention i have a strong arguing with my sister um this answers to your question, david, sorry yah okay it's very challenging because you need to argue with her i need to argue with my sister and come to this uh the arguing is actually we have to sit down, cool and calm and discuss okay but at that moment in time i just er when i heard this thing i i very hot already i was so hot there is no for me to have a chance to cool down and discuss because er so this problem is actually i find that er firstly, we have to keep cool and calm come and discuss ah but er so it won't be causing conflicts conflicts that is a that that is the main problem lah that's the main problem, sit down, discuss calmly and then er this should be the right way of doing yah i told my sister i no matter how you you cannot convince me because i i stand very firmly no means no lah yah so it's she she saw me so uh so er firm and i also explain to her the reason i give gave her the reason so i think he accepted accepted it so erm he accepted it yah finally we never put him yah thank you david um uh personally i find that positive okay uh tell tell tell myself that keep on learning new thing and keep on moving okay erm that's all um thank you family still family because er if i don't if if if we don't have a nice family ah it will be affected the children er growing up they will because children is very sensitive er er they are very sensitive they might go to the wrong path okay they if we have a good family mostly the children will go to the er right path so er it won't er it won't this one is actually i should say that connected to to to to singapore lah criminal all these will be lesser so i always er very strongly that to me i find families very important oh what okay actually my father com~ ever commented my character my father ever told me that my character is er it's not hot temper but it's er sort of called stubborn in a way that if things is right i i must i'm the person that if thing is right i must stand firm, it's right if the thing is wrong, i also very firm that it's wrong i draw a line very strictly right means right, wrong means wrong my father er say er is got good and bad lah because er too strictly not so good lah um uh okay example you want the example or okay right means er okay if let's say let's say can he have any uh scenario and and things happen er so er like if you want me to quote you example like my father er no hospice is allowed for him to stay that means i stay very firm this is very right to me this is very right wrong means er i told my girl that the ever share with my girl that when next time you go outside er you have er you if the your colleague is very new when they need to need you to guide her or guide him along er you are not supposed to raise out your your voice and er er please be patient with them er so if if like let's say you raise your voice or you impatiently mummy find that this is wrong this is example er so my girl er she said she will she will er listen to my advice ah no matter how so if you ask me this is right and this is wrong er er er i i told her that it's wrong for you when people need help then you raise up your voice yah okay okay um thanks david um um so far i don't think so i have lah because mostly i quite er i i have shared with you you see one more time david to my life orh to you er sibling i find sibling er firstly it's sibling secondly it's er working colleague as a team my first one is er sibling, family second thing is er er working colleague as a team okay family bonding to me i find family bonding er it's very important er if family bonding is is not so good, it's very difficult to discuss discuss er important er important things ah okay working colleague is er equally er important because most of the time we are outside from eight thirty to five thirty most of the time we spend we spend er our hours er in our office so er our connection with connection, bonding with colleagues is very important because if it's a teamwork it's a teamwork if cooperative also very important because if the teamwork is not cooperative incooperative er then we cannot achieve that we wanted to achieve yah especially like let's say for this er h_c_a hospice if there is a the we need the team to be very cooperative and very cool and calm then it works for the patient as well as everything um thanks david um in singapore erm i should say that i'm very happy here living in singapore as er i mentioned that er er a lot of im~ improvement compared with my when i was young er forty over years, fifty over years the environment erm educational last time our er compare how educational, hospital erm what what else er airport, transportation everything is very very good in singapore thanks david so i have to er mention two section is it okay so firstly i would like to mention about er hospital industry okay er as i always er mentioned that i feel very proud staying in singapore hospital er industry er government is really taking care of all these er all these because er in terms of er senior citizen they have some er percentage discounts and they have a very er er nice doctors and nurses they are they are working so hard to taking care of this patient especially these few years about the covid they work so hard you know in government is er working hand in hand with everyone every singaporean here so this is the er the part i would like to er mention secondly it's of the of course is the educational okay er as we know that educational er it's very important to everyone and government also taking care of this er and er they er receive they as they are willing to listen to parents er provide all the feedbacks and from the parents feedback they will try to uh they will go back and discuss and improve it certain part they they find that they can er improve they will try and see what they can it can be done so educational that er to see that there are there are so many er talented er people like you all especially all all these this gen~ you all are so talented so from here er i feel that government is doing well ah okay um okay er of course er airport okay airport er everyone also feel very proud because er from one airport from terminal one we improve we extended until now we have terminal five that was very great job that prove that er we are doing very well not just well very well and then you see our airport, it's so clean so clean check in and it's so fast er so fast er shops er makan food wise everything also very good so i feel very proud of er s_i_a and i also feel er very proud that er to tell people that we are from singapore because definitely the first thing in their mind they will say wow your singapore airport is so good so good so good so good you know and very fast and most of the time we are also get a very good er award i feel very proud um thank you david sure no not erm i think er quite a number i think transportation also doing well transportation er m_r_t such as m_r_t er such as nowadays we are so so good that we have grab grab ah it's so convenient within less than ten minutes, we have a grab just make a phone call, downstairs have a grab er taxi or whatever to wait for us it is so convenient we don't have to like last time in our time then go for have to wait at the roadside there some lucky lucky then still ten minutes you can get if unlucky can can be forty minutes for peak hours we also couldn't get so transportation wise, er i also find it's a great job which government is doing well thank you david okay uh again i still would prefer that hospital sorry so i have elaborate more is it okay okay erm i very strongly i always put hospital in the the first place because as i eh er er mentioned that er patient really needed help in this part because everyone sure definitely one day will have to go through all these so er hospital the facility facility wise it's good er it's clean er nurses and doctors er professional, patient and er they are working twenty four hours yah so er they sacrifice their their own times to look after patients as we know the patient is not easy to look after erm and er very appreciate appreciation for them that you know being so er so nice er to be there because not everyone can do that okay can i go ahead with the second one oh sorry okay yah sure sure sure okay if we don't have this er a good the facility er hospital er in singapore er can we imagine that er if the fac~ if the facility is is no good er cannot imagine that how patient is how patients where can they find help from where er so er i strongly er think that er this one er government is doing well lah um if we don't have this good good patient good uh doctors, nurses, good facility ah then how to how to save the patient yah again one more time oh if you personally ask me it's excellent ah it's excellent with all these er with this er er er good facility, doctor, good nurses i find that er to me if you ask me to give a grade i find that it is er excellent service in singapore oh yes definitely this is definitely erm as a team i find that it as a team uh as a team and er it's also er community community as a team community and er er that's all thank you david um um okay second detail i find that transportation why i mentioned that transportation er if you compare er again i need to mention a little bit er compare with my time and my mum's my my mum's time the transportation compare with now is so much of so much of improvement in term of we have m_r_t, you have taxi so convenient uh just make a phone call, taxi will be here and then the grab also as well as many buses uh many buses er connect to one another uh the schedule also quite fast within er ten minutes or what so even though government is so er so good that choy choy choy ah if m_r_t breakdown they are so nice that they arrange alternative for those er for all the singaporeans they arrange free transport, free shuttle bus er for all the people stuck at the m_r_t there so er government this part is doing well so er let's say that transportation one thing i want to mention is sometime we overslept wah really late already we call er you just call a grab within less than ten minutes, the taxi er will be here and chances of getting late er to work is also not that bad yah so transportation is very good m_r_t yah um oh convenience okay er fast er m_r_t er station, m_r_t also very clean very clean erm the people there also er er the the the working colleagues there is good because as and when we needed help er not sure about the which station to alight they will help they will help us so i find that these are the good points ah these are the good point um er again i find there is also uh teamwork, er convenience convenience to the singaporean people here and then teamwork also teamwork is very important and er oh sorry i one thing i want to er alert must be very alert m_r_t ah er transportation i find that er people also must be very alert in term of if anything happens er we must they must the er we they they are the first one who know and and quickly er investigate and solve the issue er you mean transportation orh this is definitely this is definitely connected um er firstly i find that this transportation also very good impression for tourists because they find information are very clear in term of they have map their hard copy of map, they have er er or or tourists when they come to singapore they find that eh so clean, so fast, so convenience one point to another point so is er of course is also very important for singaporean er in term of er er when we go anywhere working, schooling eh it's very convenient very very convenient thank you david third key er i should say that the i would prefer to mention about the airport why i keep on mentioning airport because er as a singaporean i i feel very proud for singapore this is our er good <unk> our image uh very good impression for everyone in the world that when they mentioned about singapore airport wow so clean er finding food no problem twenty four hours so convenient, so clean er the people er work er there also very helpful patient to assist uh passengers queries especially er wheelchair passengers, uh oxygens patient er singapore airlines are always always take care of them very well handle er with care all the way for the passengers, infant et cetera er one more time, david er i feel uh for this airport again very proud for s_i_a very proud er and then er every year er get a very nice feedback from tourists every year always get a very er er a good award and erm er every er er improve from one terminal to so many terminals terminals a lot lah i should say a lot a lot of er good things for er s_i_a lah and our airport um oh this is very very important why if we are singapore er are not do our if our airport is not feeling uh doing well the first thing is er it er it will give the whole world impression that eh er the country is not doing well how you call er reputation uh er so er this one is definitely connected but at this moment we are doing so well so uh you have to thank government er they are focusing and they also every year keep on improving and do some enhancement to improve all the facility in singapore so this is definitely connected uh connected in a sense that er whole world know singapore airport that is very important or we and then connected for singaporean uh when we tell people we are from singapore they wah first impression oh your airport is so nice, so clean, er the food n problem et cetera et cetera so this is definitely connected thank you david only one point the highest one is it okay i still find that it's airport singapore airport oh er as i said the whole world know us and then er er talk about me i when i go to my singa~ singapore airport wah i feel so so feel so good, so comfortable and er security wise also great because er it's singapore so the er security the police there also very alert um so that's why i grade as a first point is er singapore airlines a great way to fly um no i think that's about all i can mention in sharing thank you david low point ah low point in singapore i feel er two things ah one is er er sars okay but i can't remember the the year lah okay that was and another thing is covid these are the two things i feel so sad in a sense that why it it because because of these two er er these these two thing a lot of people pass away okay especially er nurses some some doctors ah nurses, patients because of this er er because of this, they passed away so it's quite quite sad i should say er me i find it's very sad yah because this is unforeseen and it's very natural er er er disease so from this disease er the whole world learnt the whole world learnt the whole world learnt and the whole world er er at least they alert the whole world that er things cannot predict any disease will may happen may happen and come along er from these two disease er er we we we learn how to improve and then er er we find out er er on on the medical part, education part they also try to they worked so hard do the test and all this thing and er thank god er successfully have some er er medication then er everyone have a for singapore it's free jab so also have to thank government for taking care of us yah so this this one we learn i should say key point is to learn er teamwork teamwork and er er responsibility, self responsibility if er especially wearing mask er take care of ourselves clean oh from this event i find that er we did well cooperative, teamwork and er to investigate er quickly the issue quickly and solve the solve the problems er as soon as possible lah quick er quick action, teamwork and then er yah this one is very important um orh this is definitely uh connected in a way that er as i mentioned that we learnt we learn from these two incidents and then er connected also er to highlight everyone in singapore don't take things for granted if things happen things happen please everyone be cooperative be cooperative and er hand in hand with government thank david david thank you oh uh my dream is er hopefully er of course er improvement improvement uh can i mention about er it will be good that er for this educational part er er for this er primary primary school to secondary school it will be good er not to i don't currently there is still have normal express or not uh it will be good that not to have this er how how should i say that this split normal class, express class why i say that because primary six student now they are they are still they quite naive they don't even know what is express and normal it's just like you know i use this word ah blur blur uh normal normal i go normal orh express express i go express but when come to secondary two onwards then they will realise that oh let's say i'm normal class i'm normal student aiyo i'm normal class, david is a express class student they will feel er shy for themselves being a normal class student and they also very concerned that eh sure express class student they they looked down at me come to come to er they they feel sad they feel sad aiyo er why ah got normal class and express class they will feel bad so i hope that er this part er i personally find that it will be good don't split good and bad student join together in a sense that they can learn together the the slower student learning quite can learn from the the good one share to share so er so er from there er everyone for example they also don't feel bad that eh er i'm from normal class david so good, david from express class that kind of things you see yah will be affected when they go out yah this is what i personal think it will be good that this part er er er i don't know whether now do they still have or not er if don't have that will be good lah if still have uh maybe can think about how to you know yah because my my because my my my my children times already over so my children now is n_t_u so i i never keep track nowadays the the educational for primary school so you know yah and then i also hopefully but i personally find that hopefully er for government can help us with the with the hospitalisations er er er what do you call the bill ah is it the bill try to help er er er singaporeans because i find that i personally find the bill quite er expensive expensive er if government er er can have can have a little extra more discount will be for singaporean will be good lah will be good because er i personally find that the bill quite high the bill in fact a lot of singaporean also worr~ worried about these topics ah yah um yah standard of yah thank you standard living standard er standard of living is quite high also er so er will be good that h_d_b flat also can have some a little bit more er er discount for singaporean ah so er these are my main concern i think probably a lot of them also worry about these these few parts ah um thank you david to yah sure um i find that er i will if personally i find that still the covid and the the the sars yah because this is really affected not just singapore, affected the whole world so this one is very er this is my main er main main concern ah main my um i should say that er think about this example lah covid and sars because it's very new to whole world er whole world also er not er not familiar with this disease but whole world also try their very best to to see what they can improve and they can they can do for singapore, i personally find the government also beginning er to everyone to everyone i mean everybody is lost but later part they pick up very fast they pick up very fast they act quickly and they always er and in news newspaper or what radio they keep on telling er everyone please er er put on mask make a a lot of important announcement and they update us what what are the latest news uh this is very important er they are they are very concerned the government is very concerned so they always everyday update the the latest er news uh announcement so i find that this is very important for everyone of us uh don't take things for granted er things happen, we learn and then er cannot be selfish cannot be selfish er hygiene hygiene is very important er and remind our er friends or colleagues, er families that you know do our best er especially hygiene part lah thank you david okay personally ah i as i still think that i love to stay in singapore reason security wise safety wise, educational, hospitalisation everything their government is taking care well and er singapore is very clean country erm clean country and er i i think that's about all i can mention a lot of a lot of good things that government is taking care of important value er achievement er singapore singapore also er er learning learning and improve erm they also er er look into our feedback to improve things um again one more time oh achievement is very important without achievement ah er there is no improvement er because if there is no er achievement that means we everyday uh like that ah no need to think already everyday you know er will be strict like the chart ah we want strict right because never move it's because there is no ending point you know we cannot have that kind of mindset that ending point we have to keep on moving then the chart will be up and down up and down so from the chart up and down i'm down then we will see that eh what are the er why the chart this one so low, this one so high and all these from the chart we know that which are the part we need to improve which are the things that we have to er er discuss and improve so from here achieve then we can er achieve something er to be get successfully done so achievement is very important to me ah david sorry yah thank you david er this one i should say that i have no comments of this because this is quite er involving with world~ worldwide er er so this part i think i might skip because is it alright because this one er erm you you get what i mean this one is okay so maybe if that's the case you repeat the question one more time what sense of is it quite worldwide these questions okay er okay david er i want to listen the question one more time again um is there any example you can er or maybe how to you know i should say that er okay if you are going to say that then er singapore is a very strict country okay it's a very strict country it's a very er i should say that er a good country like criminal criminal of course strictly that we are not allowed to the things that happen er in singapore not just singapore everywhere the whole world if if involved with criminal and all this thing of course er that is singapore definitely er should say that that it's wrong ah criminal because we want to keep our country have a good er er er er er want to keep our country good so criminal part is definitely that it happen in singapore i talking about singapore definitely that government will should be er should be er stand up say it's wrong because we don't encourage people to go and er er kill people example, rob people okay so er this part i find that singapore is is is definitely er strict lah and this one i also fully support okay right means er of course er if right in the sense that er again government always encourage people to do right things to right things er so erm again that we also have to support government ah support government doing right thing is of course i can quote example behave ourself okay behave ourself and er especially we all are in oversea please we are singaporean we have to be good in oversea so er this one is also very important so government always encourage er er er singapore government always encourage people to do good things it's good for the country as well as good for us thank you david yah er i find that the if you want me to mention is of course i only can i would like to say uh uh a few words er cooperative okay team work together as a team ah okay and er to improve and achieve thank you david erm everything if you ask me everything is good er everything is good er i feel very proud to say it's just that er singapore the country is a little bit small not many places to go lah other country you can you know yah i feel good lah singapore is very good er excellent and fantastic if you ask me er yes it's very important why because er it will be whole world if we are doing well, whole world will orh will come and er do business with us and then the trust without trust nobody will come to our country er to you know to make er big business with us so this one is very important um uh david one more time sorry i feel erm great feel proud um and er i also find that er singapore er er is is is er impression to the world is pretty good, very good um good impression thank you david er it's okay we have many races er races here so er it's very good why firstly we can celebrate a lot a lot of er er er er different kind races of er new year chinese new year, hari raya et cetera et cetera so this is very good first thing second thing we can eat different kind of food got prata, got chicken rice and nasi lemak et cetera et cetera thirdly we know their culture we know their culture and then er er of course er of course we learn their culture, understanding and then er we don't have that kind of er mindset that eh er only er chinese can say here not reli~ er not so it's it's pretty good i find he's pretty good um sharing is sorry er culture culture part um er pretty good in a sense that as i mentioned that you can try many different 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CHE96362_150823_1200_2.docx | no okay uh so i think try to make it simple, i will try to divide it into two sections, i mean it's much easier for us to understand so i just break it down into two, one is like before singapore uh i mean before i came to singapore, and after i came to singapore so actually i was born in wuhan, i mean wuhan is quite well known city for everyone right now so i was born in wuhan and i uh also finished my bachelor degree in wuhan university so after that that's my uh first sections actually i stay for wuhan for nearly uh twenty years, but maybe du~ during this period i've i've been to like other countries as well, but mainly i was uh there for quite long time, stay with my families, with my friends, with my relatives, all the close relationship with them so uh after i graduate from the wuhan university, i decided to uh come to singapore for the master degree so that's the that's move to the sec~ second section of my life so i stay in singapore for nearly like eight years, eight to nine years around that, and i uh the starting point when i enter into singapore is the master degree so i started my master degree in n_u_s, and uh i uh my major is in economics, so i spend one year uh to finish to get my master degree so after that i try to find uh a job in singapore, and uh uh and successful successfully i uh start to work in a bank right now, yah that's is that clear, i mean is that enough okay oh okay uh oh okay uh next question is about the dreams and hopes right or ah okay okay okay okay (ppl) great the event um let me think about it the event, um uh just one is enough or have to be several events ah okay oh about this <unk> about this event, the high point and low point or like ah you want to like ah okay um okay okay so um maybe starting with the first event, uh i i think i mean the first thing uh came to my mind is about i i think is the graduation event of my master degree, because i i didn't i i haven't think about to you know to go to the p_h_d, so i think the master degree shall be the last last step of my uh the student as a student so uh when i graduate i think because is in singapore, so i invited my parents and my grandmother to uh come to singapore to uh participate my graduation uh the ceremony so uh i think that's the uh the the key event of my life so far, because this should be the last step of my student as being a student so far and um i think it's quite special, is not because it's a master degree it's for the master degree, but um more or less it's about the the the your close relatives who can attend such a big event uh for them i mean to some extent, i i think it's not a big event for myself, it's a big event for them because they um they were so excited to attend this kind of event for their you know baby daughter, or you know their um their they were so proud of it i think i i can i can tell i mean at that that point of time, they they were so excited to attend such event so uh that's the first event i can think about and i think that's the can be the high point of my i mean as a student, i mean for the first um should be a mindstone of my life to some extent, okay and then the second event, uh ah yes ah okay okay yah yah sure yah, yes i think to like finally oh my god finally (ppl) finish my you know all the uh all the life can being a students because think for myself, i'm not a person who good at study, so i was you know i was looking forward to um for the c~ career life at that point of time so actually shall be a key event for myself because okay finally you can complete everything like your parents or the people around you thought you have to complete yah so for myself i think i'm happy but not only for the event, is like for the uh the the the the hope or for the bright future you might you're um coming for yah so that's my thought at that point of time uh because i think it's a kind of moment that uh uh it's a starting point and ending point is the ending point for your uh student life and the starting point for your career life so i think it's a mm turn point that uh is very important i mean for everyone should be a very key point, yah it's a turning point um um yes i mean to some extent, definitely should be uh mm i mean meaningful i mean because you were thinking about your future life right, you are thinking about how the um how your life is gonna to be and the uh especially in singapore, so at that point of time, i were i was thinking about like whether i need to stay in singapore, or like maybe go back to china, or like to other place for um the the the the the upcoming opportunities, yeah so yes uh sorry i think the connection is not very good, sorry would you mind repeating the question again not really (ppl) to be honest not really, because um i mean that's the only a event can't can't be uh anything that really affect your decision or it's just you know a ceremony for you to memorise like the past one year you spend in the school, especially in the university so i think it's not that related, but it's the turning point that you will memorise for a quite a long time, yah yup, yes mm-hm my plan was like okay because you know like actually in the second half year, you have to uh go out to find a job around the whether in singapore in china actually is the same you have to to apply online and do the test to interview something like that so uh actually in the second half year, i think so and i got a few offers <s> so uh at that point of time, i was thinking i was like comparing different choices, like the pros and cons so um after that i was comparing everything, actually in the end i mm i was thinking that why not just try to stay in singapore first, like you'll see everything how everything goes like how does the work of the mm the different culture will affect me to some extent so uh after that uh after that i decided to take one of the offers to stay in singapore first yah okay mm-hm um okay, i think this event the second event i want to share is about like uh maybe the work during the work okay i think it's about the internal transfer, is uh it's not the specific event but it's a kind of you know action during the um past few years of work so i did the internal transfer from one department to another department department during i mean in among our company so i did the transfer and i think the transfer will involve your definitely your boss and uh actually your current boss and your new boss, and uh uh i think this event is quite meaningful for me yah and it's a it happened about three years ago, yah uh my feeling is about it's very great, because that's what i want, that's why i apply for internal transfer and i i believe that it affect my career uh path as well, because i uh uh i went to a different i mean different department and different function department, so uh i will have another clear picture about my uh upcoming task, and then my uh uh i will be more ambitious about like uh what i want during the work, yah uh because at that point of time, i believe that the internal transfer will make me like more confident, more clear about uh the current work, and uh what i'm good at, what i'm not good at so uh it's a very is another turning point in my life for for except for my work, yah and that's why i stay for another (ppl) like few years here, because i transferred from one work to another one right, so it will be uh everything is quite new for you, and yah uh yah i'm transferred to the front office, so it's like uh i mean front office is more like to the client, you will deal mm deal with the client directly but previously it's more like the middle office, you deal with the reports or the monetary something like that uh mm i think yes because it's like when you like facing the card clients, the clients is coming from uh different countries but mainly in singapore right, so you will know more about singapore, you will have exposure to more things around you, yah so i think to some extent yes yah because you have to face to them right, you have to talk with sometimes you have to know uh the singapore better than previously because previously you just need to like um you know the reports the monetary, you don't have to talk too much, you don't have to like know that things too much, because you don't need to face the clients or you don't have to face, you just to deal with the internally so i think when i after my transfer, you have to know more about because you have to chat with your clients right, so you have to know more about the things happen around singapore and more culture about singapore, yah uh i think it's more like um as i mentioned just now, because um the the different functions will affect your how you think, how you work during the daily life so you will try to uh you will have have to or you will be uh interested to do so, you will have to like uh try to learn singapore more than before yah, so i think it's quite different yes okay mm-hm okay so the that point i would like to share is about the i think it's covid, the covid nineteen (ppl) yah i think it's a quite big event for everyone, and then i actually it's a key event because the quarantine, the work from home, like everything involved, i i think change our daily life and the working environment as well yah yah (ppl) yah no need to talk too much about covid nineteen right because i i think it's i i was quite shocked, and i think everybody did right, was quite um we all have no idea how to react this kind of things at the beginning so and different countries took different measures to to to to to facing this the covid nineteen, so at the beginning i was in wuhan i mean at the beginning point i was there and uh mm i think at the beginning china did the um in a quite good way, so at that point of time i i was thinking about whether i why not like go back to china to (ppl) to to to to live there at the beginning so i think it's a quite big event for most of the people, yah at the beginning yah, at the beginning (ppl) yah at the beginning yes at the beginning, yah i was thinking about moving back, yah and actually uh some of my friends who lived in i mean who living overseas countries right, they did move to wuhan but like in twenty twenty, yah, so most people did so because the government's measures change (ppl) i mean okay that's the one part of the reason, and secondly is about the whole worlds's economy change a lot, and it happened a lot of things subsequently right so mm it's not only because of how the government react to the covid nineteen, but also it's about the mm the whole world the the you know so many things happened during these three years, so after that i uh i believe that in singapore is a quite stable choice, for at least for these few years, yah mm yes, i think because is (ppl) it is conneted right, because it's daily life, uh how did the government react also and how did your work will be affected by covid nineteen, so i think it's quite related something i learned in singapore about life in singapore, uh from the covid mm i think i learned that be happy is very important (ppl), be healthy and happy is quite important no matter where you live, yah uh yes as i mentioned just now, i think i prefer to stay here for a few years at least, because i think it's like uh because of covid nineteen right, and uh many things happened and afterwards i stay here and it's quite stable and very safe, and uh um and it's quite happy so i think it's subsequently all these happened yah it's more connected yes yes mm-hm uh like graduation yah i i can go with graduations, but like uh what kind of things you uh prefer to let me share yah, can go with the graduation uh because as i mentioned just now, uh it's a mm turning point in my life, and it's a starting point that i finally i can be a uh be a people who can you know the self sufficency, yah self sufficency, so i think that's a very important so i will be uh i prefer to treat it as a high point, because i hope the um the life in the future shall be more you know bright, yah you mean the three key events ah graduations uh you mean another else reasons there can be for the reasons should be em nothing else (ppl) nothing else okay okay okay uh i think it's the cannot be the low point, but i think at that point of time i was quite anxious so i would like to share it's about like i attended one of my best friends uh wedding, so uh i mean it's just for myself, i mean the wedding is perfect, and um my friends was quite happy at the moment but i mean for me because at that point of time, i believe that i was like twenty seven or twenty eight around that, and you know that especially for chinese people will prefer like girls to shall be married around like twenty five, okay, so uh for them i was quite late for the marriage uh so when i was attending my best friend's wedding, i was quite anxious at that point of time i i thought that okay i maybe i need to do something, to take actions, to to you know go faster to at least uh can uh get a boyfriend or i can get uh uh get the wedding to ask relative to attend the we~ my wedding as well so uh at that point of time, and uh i would like to prefer saying that event can be the low point for me, yah uh because i was quite anxious i think, it's about my thoughts my altitude at that point of time i uh was quite anxious that i didn't uh you know marry someone, yah so it's about my own feeling is i mean was not quite good, so i would treat it as a low point uh not really, because my friend is live in china yeah yes ah yeah my dreams and hopes, uh um i mean i i didn't have such a dreams, i mean but uh hopes definitely we ha~ i have uh i prefer to like one day i can uh first of all in the first place self sufficiency it's quite important, but definitely right now should be fine but i would like to make more money to like you know uh my to make my family like including my parents to live in a better way, yah that's my hope for now you mean i hope to see in my life i have no idea (ppl) i have no idea yah, because i maybe like to work harder, like to try to get promotion or try to find you know uh good opportunities, yah, to to grow faster, i mean regarding the career yah in the past right, in the past or currently or all can ongoing challenge, uh) maybe i share some challenges in the past i think when i was when i started to work in the first year, uh because in singapore right, you will have some uh colleagues uh who was who was born here, i mean the locals i think there are culture conflicts at the beginning so actually i was i encountered culture conflicts for my first uh first year working experience and that i think is uh i think my colleagues was joking at that moment, but i couldn't get it, so i thought that she blaming on me, something like that so i think it's a it's a it's a the culture conflicts and uh i was upset at the moment, so but but afterwards i i i know that she was joking so um mm i think for a fresh graduates is not very easy to deal with this kind of things, it's not very easy so that's the challenge i encountered uh during my you know the the first working experience, yah you mean how to develop um just i i think it's ended with like uh i i went downstairs to to go down to let me calm down also, to to try not let this kind of things to affect my working or my uh you know the my mood, just to move on and i i think from her perspectives that i think it seems like nothing happened, because for them it's like really it's just a joke it's like daily joke, yah so nothing happened afterwards but i try to adjust myself, um i try to adapt the working environment because i think the people around there um you you have to deal with different people right, people have different characters no matter is local or the foreigners or the chinese, people will have their own stuff you have to adapt it faster, yah yeah yes uh yah i think i changed my altitude that i try not to uh to to to to take everything seriously, especially for other people's wording i mean during work because you just take your work your task you were uh uh you were uh what your boss say to you, i can take all this seriously, but other things is not important so just let it go mm i think it changed my altitudes like as i just mentioned just now i won't won't take it seriously, because people always have comments on you right, everything comment on your uh characters, comment on your work, comment on your you were comment on your comments right so uh just just ignore it, or otherwise you believe that they're saying something correct, then you can try to see how to settle it, how to solve it, how to make it better but if it's not correct or just ignore it, do what you have to do mm-hm mm-hm uh it's quite positive, for me it's quite positive i think people have to look everything a bright way, and you you have to do what do you want, that's very important i think people have to think about one question very uh clearly and very mm deeply, that's what you want, yah but i prefer to look in a positive way, yah uh important values, mm i think happiness is very important yes yes, i think um that's the purpose of most people's life right, you make money, you you marry, you uh work, all is for the happiness so uh that's the core of my life i mean you try to do whatever you can do to make you happy, yourself i mean, yah that's quite important, do not make other people happy, because what your feel is the most important thing yah yes yes wow, myself or other people myself okay um in moral way i believe but okay okay when you turn into certain age right, (ppl) the line will be blur okay because okay w~ when i was quite young, there is a line between the black and white you will say clearly okay if i was like twenty it's quite easy to answer your questions then, it's just okay do the right things, do the wrong things but for my age right at that point of time, it's very hard to answer these questions because there are too many different guide on the right and the wrong so i i can't answer, it's very hard (ppl), it's very hard to answer right now, yah but i will try to at least do the things legally, do the you know the the uh by the law you have to do the (ppl) legal things, yah but if you talk about other things, it's very hard to answer these questions to be honest because it's not very easy to define what's the right or what's the wrong on the different circumstances, you will feel like differently, or you will do things, or you will handle the things differently, so it's very very hard to answer this question in a very simple answer right yah yah yah yes exactly, exactly yah so it's very hard to answer these questions, what guide me to do the right things okay, uh recently i feel like people have to be very uh can cannot be say selfish, but it's like the similar meaning it's about you have to focus on yourself, you have to focus on your feeling, on what you want, not other people's expectations, what other people's wish like your parents wish, or like the uh society standards like standard um life for example, many people believe that okay people especially women around like thirty, you have to marry, you have to like focus on your family's matters right, something like that but i think all these are not important you have to focus on yourself, focus on what you want, you really want, not other people's wish you to do something, yah so i think that part is very important you have to focus on your self, but cannot be selfish but just try to mm make yourself happy, make yourself valuable, that's very important so other people's thoughts are not important, yah yes yah yah but that doesn't mean like you can do everything, whatever you want (ppl) you you still have to like (ppl) within the boundary right, you have to do the the legal things you cannot okay you want to like uh steal something, that's not good because no matter that's what you want you can't do some such thing, yah okay oh sorry (ppl) sorry sorry sorry (ppl) em can the answer be no (ppl) em not really, yah okay i i think this question is also very hard to answer in a very short way, because i think currently not really, because i'm trying to figure out who i am so i try not to let other people other groups around me to affect me i'm trying to figure out who am i, so so currently not really, but of course in the past you will be affected by so many different groups, especially your family right that's the first group you will be you have to be in~ involved, you have no choice and your um your um your school like right the the the friends around you, or the colleagues even the colleagues around you will affect you but currently not really, because i try not to let you know this affect like who i am, yah but definitely will be affected by people around you in the past, that's why who how how all the because such as my characters, my the way of my thinking will be af~ strongly affected by my parents right, because they're the teachers who (ppl) uh in the first met, yah so but currently i wish i i wish no, i wish the answer for this question is no because i think the independent thoughts is quite important, yup, currently yah yes, but definitely uh definitely will be affected, yah, but uh i wish no (ppl) yah yah yah uh i think um i think living in singapore is not very very easy especially for chinese, i mean because you know china is quite is fast developing, and all the people you know all your close friends all your family members, they all stay in china so i believe that living in singapore it is not very easy, or definitely living in u_s or u_k also very hard for especially for the the person who haven't set their own family they they're stay here alone, i mean it's not very easy but uh mm i mean because when you stay away from your close uh family members or friends, you will try to uh think in a different way, and in a more independent way if let's say if i stay in wuhan forever, like i right now i work in wuhan, stay with my family, i think the way of my thinking shall be totally different yah, and my answer for the questions will be totally different right so i believe uh i value all these years, especially like eight to nine years experience uh a lot, because it's quite valuable for myself, and i grow um faster i believe, yah yah liberty yes okay maybe we just move yah because i got the meeting at two p_m so, yah so if i mean uh we can follow the agenda, so if we can finish earlier then that will be great is that fine for you i mean <unk> yah yah yah ah no worries yah yah no worries, yah yah yah we try to finish everything mm-hm okay wow (ppl), uh singapore, mm let me think about it uh story of singapore, mm i think it uh for me right, if let's say the story of singapore, i will be like into two stage the first stage is about the period like on the lee kuan yew, and the the the another stage is about the after his you know the the the the control like the second stage i think that's the my understanding of if let's say to to share the story between different sections that will like say this two different sections and uh actually i i believe that i won't have such more details uh understanding about the history of the singapore, but yah, i have read the book written by lee kuan yew, so yah i i was quite you know appreciated about all the all his sharings, yah so that's the story, if let's say the story of the singapore, yah i i mean uh afterwards it's not on the lee kuan yew right, i mean yah yah yah that's the yah if let's say the the how i look at singapore, i would like to say is like divide into two stages, one is the the period is on the him, another period is not afterwards yah (ppl) ah no, that's all okay mm the event okay the first thing come to my mind because i didn't prepare everything, so i just you know take some time to think about it i think the first event is not a event but it's like more related to what i shared before, it's about the covid nineteen, actually i was quite impressed by the government's reactions uh afterwards because at the beginning, every all the government uh have no idea uh what they should do, but i think the singapore government did a quite good job about how they um treat the elder elderly because i remember there's a like something they can wear uh it's like watch or something, it's like something like monitoring because some elderly they they have no phones right, because they ha~ have no phones they they cannot enter into the shopping malls or to the restaurants but they can the government will uh um like uh allocate some monitoring things for the elderly, and they can use that uh to to replace the q_r code, something like that and that's the one example, but there were also other like monitoring ways, and how did how did the government do the quarantines, something like that i think singapore did a quite good job, and i was quite impressed and uh actually that's the one of the reasons why i stay here i still stay here so i was quite impressed, and the uh many of us i mean chinese people will um like we discussed about the measures the gov~ singapore government taken uh during that period, and we also strongly recommend other governments like the china government can you know follow certain ways that the singapore government uh has taken so i was quite impressed so if let's say one key event, i think that part can be a quite uh significant significant moment for the recently, i mean for the recent years, yah yah because i think that the covid nineteen is like uh it's the same issue for the to the whole world, so definitely is significant to singapore as well and the and i also believe that during because of the covid nineteen, i think the death rate also increased, i mean the death because at i mean okay, because i believe that the covid nineteen uh has some significant impact on the whole society, uh uh such as many people left and uh as i mentioned, many people around me like the chinese who or other uh people uh comes from like the europe or u_s, they left singapore to go back to their hometown so uh this is one of the aspects that one of the impacts uh resulting from the covid nineteen right so i believe that how the government react to the uh <unk> is not only for the early stage, how to control the uh pandemic, but also about how the how to settle, how to deal with the society issues afterwards such as many people left the singapore, like mm uh and the like uh how to do the monitoring afterwards, like how the uh people want to see the doctor, some some some some issues like that so i believe that uh the key event i mentioned just now is quite meaningful and significant for singapore how does this event say singapore as a nation mm this event, how to answer this question, can i ask (ppl) question um i think that this event i mean because i believe it's not a event (ppl), it's a kind of like uh uh uh um experience, i mean uh is quite mm it's quite meaningful, i mean it's quite i believe i mean it's can just share from the personal uh perspective right uh uh how to answer this question, mm let me think uh okay, because i believe that the covid nineteen right, because that period is quite long, because it's actually lasted for like three years, so i believe that singapore um uh it's quite good in the way that uh the government learned a lot of lessons from different countries yah, i believe that's the one part that i respect a lot because at the beginning, i think the government has had no idea how to deal with everything right but like after half an year or one year, because maybe uh china did in certain ways uh did very good in certain ways, and for example u_s did quite good in certain ways, but singapore always learn always knows how to learn from the westerner or the easterner countries, to learn the lesson from different countries and they did the a very good ways for the people who lived there so yah, i think that's part is quite impressed and very good thank you thank you (ppl), because i don't know how to answer this question okay thank you (ppl) thanks yah i think more is more definitely more, as i mentioned just now, is definitely more connected singapore because you will see how the country will protect their locals, like the i mean not only the citizens but the people who live there um and how the government support the people there, and listen to what people want i think that's really good and will that's why recently many people would like to move to singapore right, yah so i think it's more related and more connected i mean second event, let me think about the second event mm, okay then how about the the celebration of the national day uh okay because i believe that i only went to the m_b_s to see the fireworks uh one or two times only, because there's so many people there and it was quite crowded but uh i believe that national day is quite uh big for every nation right, is quite important to celebrate their mm like birthday like we celebrate our birthday so uh i believe that's the key event, and yah yah yah definitely is significant for singapore (ppl) yah (ppl) yah yah yes uh and because i think em the singapore is is a country that's not that old (ppl), because it's just it's very young it still for the for nation is quite young so i believe it's very important to celebrate and to get the younger to to involve that to celebrate the uh national day together, so it's quite meaningful yah, yah mm i mean the national day, okay for the people who are travellers travellers, they will uh some of my friends will like on purpose to come singapore to to to like to to to during this period to see the national day, to to see how the how the people there to celebrate the national day so uh i mean for the people who are not very familiar with singapore, i mean this key event is quite meaningful, because it's a time that can like let people to have the interest to know more about singapore so especially the history of singapore, uh because i mean for me i may not be very familiar with the history of the singapore even, yah so so for the people who are not very familiar or the people who not uh the the people who live here for quite long time, um i mean this key event may be quite uh important for uh the people who are just short term visitors so it's a kind of way to to uh to to to let people know more about singapore, yah it's a kind of way because when i first time to attend the to to see the fireworks, i was quite impressed, and i was like quite interest about like how old singapore it is, like oh what's the history of the singapore so i believe it's quite meaningful for singapore and the locals as well yes yes uh em mm not really (ppl) i mean yah i mean no significant impact i mean but it's it's a very good celebrations, yah third event, mm uh any event that held in singapore should be fine or any event uh event, f one compation is that okay ah okay then let's say f one key f one competition, that's one of the key event i was quite impressed, because it's like uh previously i was not uh i would i wasn't see any competition uh for f one before, so uh in singapore it's very convenient that you can y~ you can have the opportunities to to see the f one competition is quite uh excited uh yah so i was like i was i went there with my friends once before, and i think it's quite good, yah it's quite good, cool, yah <unk> both are good but because some because because they hold this competition so we have the opportunity to see the competition, yah both things are good because it's attracts so many travelers in singapore (ppl) during that period, i believe definitely many people will come to singapore to see the f one competitions purposely yah make money for the government (ppl) uh i don't know (ppl) yah uh but i believe that uh i believe that singapore is quite good, that's why the f one will like allow the singapore to hold this competition here, yah good i thought it's like actually singapore is really good, it's a a a developed country in the first place, and secondly is very clean and it's uh mm it's a country mm popular for tourism right and and everything is very uh clear, for example if like uh recently the uh singapore is going to hold the the f one competitions, then the um the guidelines for the tourism or the for the local are very clear because for example during this period, you have you cannot go this way this way, and all this i think it's very straightforward and very clear for all the people including the travellers and uh the the the local, yah uh definitely singapore will be the one of the best choice for the f one yah to some extent more connected, because you will be you you know sometimes very proud of that being you living in singapore because uh my friends will come here to see f one competitions, and and you will feel like the see i was i i i'm just here i can see every year if you want, yah something like that, to some extent more connected high point, high point, uh high point okay uh i just feel like that high point is the period that singapore is under the lee kuan yew (ppl) again because i i i have no idea because i was i was not here uh during that period, but as i mentioned just now i read the book, and all the policies or the thought he uh believed or he try to uh develop are quite wise so yah i think that period should be the high point, but i had very less to share with uh in the fact i was not there, yah, um yes um why so good uh because okay um at that point of time right, i believe that uh uh mm how how he uh um because i i have no idea about the details, but i was impressed by his leadership, and the his like uh forward thinking uh i was quite im~ impressed by the many of his pers~ his perspectives, even now when i saw the books right, some of his thoughts or some of his uh way to mm uh manage the government or manage the one country for the further development was quite advanced i mean you still can feel like the all all is like uh he was right and i believe that during that period of time, he the relationship between china and singapore was quite close, and that was quite good and actually benefit both of us, yah em i um can i say like i have no idea about this part because i i'm afraid that i share something you know incorrect (ppl) <unk> mm-hm mm okay, i believe that like uh the the the period under his like management right, uh i believe that he treated us he's not the he was not only a politician, he was a person that treated singapore as his own like family, like he will like try to make people happy, like really make uh like he wished to like let singapore to be um one of the one of the best like country among the word, like to connect it to the uh the to to the the rest of the world so uh that's why i i i thought that period shall be the high point of the singapore, yah mm not really because i was not there (ppl) yah yah n~ not directly impact yah okay i believe that the low point shall be uh the first year of the covid nineteen, because i think at that point of time i feel like the government was quite struggle, singapore is struggle, people live there are struggle, yah i think the first year because like uh we all the people uh most of the people stop working right, and people all the people stay at home, that's the first issue like <unk> the home the whole world like shut down for like a few months, which affected uh everything definitely secondly is about mm the the the people who went to the hospital, like they got the covid right i think that part is the most serious part that government have to face and to settle, because you have to face the death issues right people will die because of this uh covid nineteen and how to like mm uh make everything easier for the patient or for the doctor, how you protect the uh doctor and the patients both, yah so i believe that i feel like the government shall be quite struggle for that period because the whole world economy and the uh and the the people face the death issue will die, people have had no idea about whether you can survive or not because i think the first year there's no uh vaccine right, people cannot be get vaccineed and uh there's no medicine and we had no idea about this uh covid nineteen, so every people will be afraid afraid of uh being affected so i believe that the first year first year i think um was struggling for the whole world, yah uh i would like to say that the first year that um will be quite uh quite challenging for the for singapore uh because singapore was uh singapore is quite small, and uh actually the resources also are limited, so at that point of time is quite challenging for the government and for the people who live here, because it's quite small and people cannot go out e~ of course we cannot uh travel or go abroad, and singapore is quite small and the resources are quite limited, so it's like challenges it's more challenges compared to other countries so i believe that part is quite um people have to survive at that point of time, that's the most important things as the compared to other matters, yah yah because i i think is uh if let's say the first year shall be less connected because you are you have is it was uncertainty, it's about the uncertainty you had no idea about uh everything happened around you right so we'll try to escape like uh people will um have the idea to go back to their hometown to you know stay with their family, to hug like to to uh to feel secured so i think to some extent the first year shall be less connected to singapore yah okay uh future and hopes of the singapore singapore's hope, mm i thought that singapore would like to be more stronger, um and to to to to make people who live here happier, and uh uh more uh feel secure, feel rich and uh mm i think singapore is quite um care about the people who live here, yah i think their hope is to oh i my hope my hope in singapore uh oh my hope for my hope for singapore, i hope can have close relationship between singapore and china (ppl), because will benefit the chinese people definitely, yah yah uh i hope like can singapore can like accept more chinese people because i feel like singapore government was not that friendly to chinese people to some extent, esspecially in terms of the immigration yah i believe they prefer more like uh malaysia right <c/. people from coming from the indonesia, malaysia or like other countries compared to china so i uh prefer i hope that can accept more chinese for the in terms of the immigration i believe that it's about how to balance the relationship between china, like singapore and china, and singapore and the u_s i think that's that's the challenge (ppl) as always uh because china you know the intention uh is quite intense <c/. the the the the relationship between china and the u_s is quite is quite is not very good actually especially right now, so i believe that singapore always holds a very neutral way right um uh singapore is trying to not be uh standing by each side, to to be n~ neutral as always but um sometimes i i believe the government will adjust their strategy to to sometimes be closer to china, sometimes closer to u_s so it's really hard to balance, because i believe that the singapore would like to have closer relationship with both countries, but it's very hard because right now we don't have very good close relationship with the u_s so i think that's the challenging part i think yes because i think singapore is quite smart, yah um singapore knows how to settle this issue (ppl) in a very smart way and definitely i believe that u_s and china they all uh both of them won't to you know to push singapore too much, they all treat singapore as the very close friend to them, both of them yes i believe is is the is the is the answer it's just be neutral, because it's very hard because it's you know the politics (ppl) politics things, yah but i think the long way uh the long term way is to be neutral yup, otherwise it's very hard to to to keep touch with both of them, yah mm like i think it's quite important, cause uh it will mm affect the status of singapore in the world because right now the china and u_s both of them are quite strong to some extent, uh and the um if singapore cannot deal with each of them carefully, may be affected to uh the economy in singapore, or the um many in many ways in many different ways, yah so i think it's quite important, and it's it should be very careful to deal with this issue mm overall overall life in singapore is it uh outlook, uh from my own perspective is it uh i believe that singapore is very good, is very stable, and in the near future shall be more uh more uh more bright, because you know that i heard many people especially rich, the rich people would like to move in singapore, like they would like to set their uh family office here, and like to do the immigration something like that so i think singapore is an ideal country that many people would prefer to come over mm first of all the safety, i think that's the most of people especially compared to other countries, especially u_s is not very safe right so the safety is quite important or people have to make make sure that uh we live in a very safe country right the security everything here, people is <unk> discipline so i think that's what i'm trying to say it's about the safe it's very safe and it's good, i mean it's a general wording and general compliment on uh country, but you see like the mm actually the global economy is very is not very good right now, because it's affected by certain different aspects but so far the people who work here for the companies, i think it's quite stable we got the salary, is the it's not very good, i mean general speaking is not very like excellent but it's decent right especially compared to i just com~ compare it to the people who work in china, so it's much stable, much decent so that's why i say singapore is quite good and stable and safe so far yah most important value i believe that it's uh is the uh the the government will like to make people uh stable, uh feel secure and uh like more hap~ much happier than before and i believe that singapore did the in a very good way, because you know that um in terms of like property, like the the the people who can afford, why i mentioned just now is uh i'm as i mentioned just now, it's about the people uh has the decent salary right, the decent uh payment for for the workers, for people who work in the company no matter is workers or like a bankers who whatever kind of job um but you know people especially for young people who work here can afford uh this the h_d_b right such hou~ uh such property can be affordable for the younger people, but uh in china is impossible you know, such kind of thing so i i believe that uh singapore did a quite good job in these ways it did uh is in~ i mean they indeed to make people uh feel secure like and make people quite stable, and uh i mean happy is quite it's really hard i mean it's a very is the it's the best is an ideal uh sit~ situations, it's very hard to achieve such a higher level but i mean singapore government at least to make people can live uh can make people can live in a their own house, their own place right, and can make them feel very safe and feel secure i think that's the value and they did quite good mm sorry you you were trying to say from my perspective to feel like what's the right what's wrong in singapore ah guides of okay i believe it's law is law yah because i i think law clearly stated what's right and what's wrong, and i i believe that everybody followed it very clearly and so for example you cannot um uh smoke indoor right, you only can smoke outdoor like so many examples like you cannot fight outside (ppl), something like that is like very clearly stated all all these uh things that government uh disallow you to do will be very clearly stated in the law and everybody should shall obey all this so i think that's how guide singaporean or the people who live here to do the right things or uh the right or wrong things um i think i believe that singapore is the place that to um i feel like singapore had always like set many many rules to let people follow, it has pros and cons okay pros is like people will follow it, it's very straightforward, and just follow what you uh what our rules said right, you just follow it and if you if you don't follow then you will be punished right it's very clear but sometimes i feel like it's like too i mean people will feel very stressed sometimes because it's not flexible, you have to follow everything and there's no um no room to to to to to bargain right so i feel like some sometimes you will feel very stress stressed, like it's very good, i believe that singapore is is like japan, i mean these two countries are quite similar is they have very uh clear rules you have to follow, and uh everything that will set rules you just follow the rules it's very good because everybody follow the rules, and it's very clear and people live here you will feel oh okay everybody follow the rules but see on the other side, you will feel very depressed because you you are always by mm you will alw~ always be controlled by all these rules sometimes the rules shall not be correct, or as i mentioned the the boundaries is actually sometimes quite blurry right, cannot say what kind of sense is wrong, what kind of sense is right but i mean in this country, you just have to follow the rules it's very clear, yes and no so yah i have no right to say is correct or not, but it's just my feeling you feel like you agree (ppl) (ppl) can feel that okay great story about singapore um no, but uh i feel like many one or two of my friends that they left singapore, but after covid they came back yah, i feel like it's quite common right now yah many people they tried to uh especially they have been here before and they went back to china or went back to u_s, then they came back after covid so yah i believe that singapore is attract many people from the uh the whole world, yah right now em the the story of the singapore, i feel like um singapore is quite young as i mentioned just now it's very young, but grow very fast and always learn know how to learn from other countries, like japan, like china, like u_s i think this country definitely will be very uh good, and i feel like more and more people will coming over (ppl), yah that's my concern because so many people there like oh my god it's like crowded, yah, right, especially it's like unfair for uh the locals right, the p_r, the citizens because resources are limited right and especially the people, if they can come over definitely they are rich, cannot be pulled (ppl) so yah small concern, yah but it's beyond my control (ppl) uh i believe that the the story of the singapore will affect will gradually affect how you think about singapore, and how you uh will a~ uh you will try to adapt yourself to singapore because definitely for foreigners, because all of us are foreigners right, uh who come here definitely will have the con~ co~ culture of con~ conflicts of culture like you will have the culture shock in different aspects, maybe in the working environment or in the during the university or when you are making friends so the culture shocks will be everywhere but knowing the story of the singapore when you have a deep understanding of the singapore, you will know how to adapt to the new environment, and you will be happier, then you will stay here for a longer time yah uh i feel like i um gradually and strongly uh affected by the and by the story uh by the singapore, um and uh making me more uh happier when i live here yah yah yah i think connected um yah yah yah yah i understand i think it's like um okay affected maybe in good way or like bad way, but i believe that is like in a positive way that's why i say like can be say uh can can say it's in a connected way, yah yah i believe it's connected there's more correct uh sorry sorry again i believe it's the longer time i stay here yah definitely it's because i stayed here for quite long time (ppl) and longer enough that you know this country better, and the more deeply yah yes yes okay thank you yah yah yah it's about the post interviews | [
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WLG51763_170423_1000_1011.docx | nope, no question okay so er erm the first section is erm my family sides so size size size okay so so there's three of us altogether, me, my mum and my dad so i have no siblings okay and then er about the maybe family household income so er we our our background is er average average household income is average yup and then the third section erm, family er can i touch on my like family my parents erm side as well so it's like external family oh okay okay so er as i mentioned earlier, my family size is three right, so my parents they both come from big families so i have a very big family when it comes to like relatives, cousin, aunties, uncles yah so overall erm external family if i include my relatives is very big, but internal family is very small then the fourth section erm, do i have to hit seven orh okay erm yah and then i guess three section okay er the first event is my exchange in stockholm, swedan so er it was very life changing because firstly, i was there on exchange so i get to interact with the students in an educational setting and i was there as a student instead of a tourist, so i actually stayed and live and it really impacted my life in a sense that er i have a lot of learning takeaways from the educational context, er and then the their lifestyle because erm northern europe is known for having a high index when it comes to happiness in~ happiness index, they are very they rank high yah and i i see why it's because they have like pension schemes and the lifestyle is not as fast paced so it's vastly different from singapore and throughout my time there, it made me erm like thicker er it it taught me to take a er take a pause like in lifestyle like don't erm don't be so hec~ hectic and like yah and like slow down erm then the second major event is erm oh oh oh okay okay oh orh okay okay um oh uh it's because in singapore, i'm always very fast paces lah i strive on efficiency in general so when it comes to like deadlines, i'll try to finish them asap erm walking i'll walk very fast and everything just very fast paced because like i'm always short i feel that i'm always short of time in singapore but over there because i'm on exchange so the the modules are pass fail so i don't have to spend so much time on academics and i can actually take a i have more time to allocate to other areas like self care, erm exploring the town, just strolling around, exploring stockholm so it it feels as if like there's so much time and i never felt that way before so it was a really good erm like vacay not really vacay but like was a very good like vacay for me er what are what are my thoughts about the exchange um overall, really pleasant experience and i don't regret going er to that country, to stockholm um oh it's because there are other choices like besides stockholm there's er europe, america and stockholm was my second choice so erm amsterdam it was my first choice because it was central europe so like venturing to other neighbouring countries is easier and there's more neighbouring countries but for northern europe, if you want to venture to er southern europe, whatever central europe, you need to take a plane but yah but for central europe, to travel to southern europe or like neighbouring countries like germany, switzerland, you can take a train you don't have to take a plane, yah so erm that's why that was my consideration when i chose erm amsterdam but unfortunately, i couldn't get it so i was erm slightly skeptical when i whether i should accept stockholm or not at the start yah but eventually it turned out well so i don't regret choosing stockholm even though it's my second choice er because it it it's a it opened my eye when it comes to like how er people on the other side of the world, how they live and how things are different like your daily lifestyle, the pace different, the food, the educational setting, er the scenery, the sports is all different so like over there i i get to try like local food, deep winter sports like skiing i went to neighbouring northern europe countries as well like denmark then i saw many castles and singapore don't have castles yah so it was really different oh erm in a sense that over there the local students they were very proactive when it comes to erm class participation like we erm in stockholm, there is no er the weightage for class partition is low maybe like five to ten percent but despite that, students were very proactive in answering questions so like erm and they will and their attitude shows that like they are not afraid to be wrong so even if they are wrong, they will just like put down their hands singapore right, we are yah really singaporean students are really afraid of giving the wrong answers for fear of being shamed by the teachers or their peers but over there, the caucasians they were really erm very they were proactive, they have a rare, they have a learning attitude and they don't mind if they they give the wrong answer they will still try and try and try again, which is something that most asian students there, they don't do it because there's hong kong students there as well and thailand students and the education setting is the same across all asians so the hong kong students, the thai students they were afraid to raise their hands and they will only raise their hands when it's necessary like a prof call them, then they will answer if not, like the asian students in general, they will just keep quiet and sit down there yah so it's very different um yes er in a sense that the modules that i took erm in stockholm, they were mostly not erm not based on bell curve which is why the students they were very er willing to help out each other but for singapore erm we most of our major examinations rely on bell curve which is why i realised that erm a lot of singaporean students they are more individualistic whereas erm overseas especially in the western societies, they are more collectivistic so erm i guess like that's something that the singapore our policymakers or like the educational erm side like they have to they have to figure out solutions to and it it's not my my tai ji lah it's it's they have to like figure out to have a balance between in~ individualism and collectivism because if you are too individualistic, then like no one is willing to share their notes or their information or their knowledge with you but if you are not if you are too collectivistic, then singapore won't be a competitive erm country like how we are today so like i guess that's something that the policymakers they have to find a balance between individualist individualism and collectivism in singapore yah um yup definitely cause like i was there for five months and i was there as a student instead of a tourist so it it made me see a lot of differences between mostly differences between erm stockholm and singapore um and there was a lot of learning takeaways and now i understand why their happiness index is high whereas in singapore, the happiness index is not as high it's it's mainly due to like the the pace of the lifestyle and the pension scheme in singapore, we have a c_p_f which also focus on individualism rather than collectivism cause pension scheme is like a pool of funds and the government will like pay out pensions to <unk> people so it's like a collectivi~ it focus on collectivism it's like a pool of funds but singapore is c_p_f so it's really up to you whether you are financially whether you have sufficient funds for yourself or not yah so like i see er mostly differences um my second key event is not as uplifting as the first key event so the second key event was like after a levels cause i was erm my rank point is about like er sixty happen if i'm not wrong, sixty seven out of like ninety so for a sixty plus for a sixty plus grade right it's very difficult to get into a course that you want in local uni so so back then, i was erm really afraid then i had many backup er backup plans so i even sourced for overseas uni just to to to get a degree lah then erm but thankfully er up to the end of like june, end june which was very last minute then erm the local unis got back to me like n_t_ u, which is why eventually i i got a position in n_t_u erm then it wasn't my first i didn't get the first i didn't get my first choice which was n_b_s so i was very disappointed i got econs instead so erm then i was but i just erm accepted the choice so it was a bit i was a bit disappointed because erm i prefer business but in the end erm one one year later, no i think er half a year later, covid hit and no one expected covid so that was when erm for that semester all modules can be s_u like in in n_t_u, we have one semester that all modules can be s_u regardless of like your core or grepe or anything so it was that semester it was thanks to covid that i s_u that my g_p_a was four and above out of five so basically second class upper and then i didn't know that in year two, you can actually choose a second major if your g_p_a is more than four out of five so in the end, after one round, i got business as a second major because i can choose business as the second major when my g_p_a is four out of five like more than four out of five so in the end erm it was really it really changed my life in a sense that if it won't for that second major i wouldn't be taking a lot of like financial modules like derivatives from n_b_s and it wouldn't i wouldn't have erm erm internship opportunities in like the one of the it's not a really big firm but it's a really erm er how to say, it's a very it's a good firm lah it's a good firm basically so it's it's because of my second major in business right that it give me more opportunities, more internship opportunities and erm because i intend to work in like i_b firms which is really difficult to get in so with an inter with an economics degree, it won't equip me with the skills that i need but with a business degree, then it can like boost my opportunities so which why erm the turning point i would say erm it's because of covid it's because of covid that erm like it changed my life, i would say for the better because so far i've seen more erm po~ positive ch~ positive changes from covid than negative yah and so far i haven't gotten covid yet so i would say erm overall it's erm it's a life changing event lah covid for me yah um when it happened, when covid happened, i was erm a bit disappointed because there were lockdowns and then i can't go to school, i can't hang around friends, i have to isolate myself at home so when you are confined to the walls of your house, it is a bit like mundane and boring lah so yah that's why it was a bit i was a bit disappointed when covid happened but now looking back, erm i'm pretty fortunate that it happened because for me so far it brought me erm more positive er events than negative events um orh actually er actually er you can if how to say you can say covid but you can say that also like yah yah i'm i'm okay with it or you can say like erm the after a levels then slash covid also can it's like er yah it's like two events together okay erm it's important because it changed my life like erm if i couldn't get okay because i feel that if i couldn't get a local uni degree, if i get like a private uni or a not so famous one like s_u_s_s, s_u_t_d, then my job opportunities would be lower in a sense and those unis they don't offer hall hall stays so it's only n_u_s and n_t_u yah and if i hadn't gotten like this if i hadn't gotten n_t_u, then i'll be missing out on hall stay experience and like i guess the reputation of the degree as well cause it's n_t_u so it will affect your subsequent life like basically the choice of your uni so which is why at that point in time after a levels, i was really scared that i couldn't get into like local u because it would affect the rest of my entire life in a sense that internship opportunities or wages and everything lah so it has like a er like a effect lor like a domino effect lah basically um um yah, it does because it shows how erm narrowed that our society is cause like their mindset is just focused on the local unis because honestly i feel that the private unis, they also have their advantages like they offer a faster erm a faster pace to graduation so it's like some of their courses are three years only, but for local u, it's the standard four years unless n_b_s three years so and i do feel that other courses, other unis, they offer a decent erm a decent bach degree as well like doesn't mean that only n_t_u, n_u_s offer a good, decent bach degree so in a sense i i i felt pressured by the society and because i went to j_c right so erm my parents would have the expecation that oh you are expected to get into like n_t_u or n_u_s and then if you and they've been telling like my relatives about it so they like there's a certain expectations to meet at home when i when i'm faced or when i'm meeting my relatives or even when i'm meeting my classmates, my ex classmates, my friends like they will ask so in a sense that society to be honest they should be more like er inclusive because i do feel that other unis they offer a decent degree as well and doesn't mean that when you go there, then you will definitely not get a decent job like if you have a private degree so in a sense that i kind of felt okay society also kind of pressured me into getting into n_t_u, n_u_s so which is why i was super scared after a levels that i couldn't meet my my expectation, my parents' expectations which is why i was extra scared so the fact that er i actually got into n_t_u then i was <unk> yah so i guess like society's expectations lor yah connected to singapore more connected er orh okay, i'm more connected because er i guess the people around me, most of them er like the thing is because the way the reason why we have this mindset is from like generations so like it's because our parents' generation, parents' parents' generation they think that oh erm n_t_u, n_u_s is the best so and it's reputable, if you don't get in then er then we won't have a decent job in the future, you won't have decent majors so it's like a erm like it boils down to the older generations so had they had like better mindsets or like it had they been more open that oh yah other unis they offer decent decent degrees as well then i guess like i wouldn't be like that as well and our generation won't be like that as well erm i think um hm but i don't really have a third event leh um um erm my life quite boring, i don't really have a <unk> erm maybe er the event must describe singapore in general um orh okay okay er i think a third event would be er like dating life in singapore so i'm currently attached then erm but i'm but he's my second so i'm twenty three years old and you know that erm usually erm in order to get like a b_t_o in singapore, you have to apply like years early if you want to like move out, you have to be like thirty five years old or something if you are single so basically i think it's not easy to get er a b_t_o in singapore lah so er then i feel that erm it's a bit like i feel pressured in a sense that erm cause i i'm more of a planner so i usually plan my life and then erm i know that if i want to like er conceive by thirty then i have to get married by twenty nine, twenty eight and then i have to get a boyfriend by like twenty five or what and just and because b_t_o taking b_t_o into consideration, which is like years, you have to like er you have to get i feel pressured to get attached like years before thirty years old because if i get attached like last minute then er i won't be able to get a the the house of my dreams or a or i will get a house at shitty places like tuas or something so in a sense that i feel that when it comes to the housing in singapore erm like more has to be done lah like more can be done to to like maybe in terms of the rules er to to to give youngsters erm a relief that heyy even if you get attached like when you're thirty years old or what you we still have a you still can get a house of your dreams something like that er yah cause like i i kinda yah yah lor so i guess like the third event, the title would be like i guess erm dating dating lifestyles in singapore um er i feel pressured to get attached like asap cause i'm twenty three so i feel that erm the ideal deadline would be to get attached by twenty five and like to actually settle down as in not settle down with marriage but like to know that he he is the one by twenty five which is a bit difficult on my end because i prefer to like interact with the person like years before knowing that he is the one so in a sense that i feel pressured like i feel that i'm short of time like going back to cause in general, i always feel that i'm short of time when i'm in singapore like somehow yah so and it's also partly because of the housing in singapore like the b_t_o waiting can be years to build so had it been faster like if the housing market or if the housing is more like efficient er in producing new house then like a lot of singaporeans like me and my peers, we wouldn't feel as so pressured to get into relationship and settle for less cause i feel that in order to settle for more you actually need time to interact and to figure out erm whether the person, the partner is the one for you or not but societies given singapore's like fast paced nature right, then we are always working, studying and to be honest i feel that a lot of singaporeans don't have time to have leisure time to actually go and find like the one, the partner yah um it's because i kinda feel a bit pressured okay true i i'm relationship i mean i'm attached right now but like before that, i was pressured like by my parents, by my peers then like seeing them and my peers actually b_t_oed like people of the same age as me, they actually applied for b_t_o and they they got it successfully so like all the more it adds up to the pressure that i feel like i'm lagging behind in a sense but to be honest although a part of me knows that in life, there is no deadline and everyone is different but i can't help but like just feel affected that other people are kind of faster than me in a sense yup erm i guess partly because singapore is a land scarce erm city so i don't fault the government for having like er for setting such high expectations or like erm or like cause basically if you are single, and if you want to move out, you need to be thirty five years old so like i don't fault the government was having such stringent rules but i feel that more can be done like when it comes to like the housing in singapore and i guess like to be more efficient in a sense that erm people shouldn't wait many years or like people shouldn't wait more than five years to get a b_t_o lah that's what i feel um um yah more connected in a sense that erm erm in a sense that like cause my my peers they all erm they're all talking about it as and then erm like i grow in singapore then i know that singapore is very stringent when it comes to like housing when it comes like b_t_o, singapore is very stringent and so i guess like all along i know this fact, it's just that it kind of hits on me when it hits harder as you grow up cause you know that you are gonna be affected like very quickly oh er in a sense that like if you if you wanna like if you are single and if you want to get a a house, then you have to be thirty five years old if i'm not wrong and then like if you are a couple, then you want a b_t_o, you have to wait for years or or if you want to get a resale flat then i heard that there's many protocols as well like you need to pay deposit, then you cannot move out or something within a few years that one i'm not so sure but basically it's not as erm it's not a very simple transaction and it's not like er it's not as if you can it's not a string~ it's not a simple transaction in a sense that you have to buy you find have to find a suitable buyer if you want to sell and then if you want to buy, you have to like there are many factors to consider also like the the price and the location it may not be ideal in a sense so erm the stringent comes where like erm they got so basically there's so many protocols in place right it shows that it's a rather like er stringent process cause if the government isn't that like erm yah basically like there's a lot of like rules in place so it makes it all very like stringent like the ru~ the pol~ the rules and policies um only one oh okay erm the highest point is definitely me being able to get the er second major in business in year two of n_t_u because like it er it shaped my subsequent events in a sense that when i meet employers then they will be like oh business okay then they will consider then when i meet new friends then when i tell them that oh second major then it gave me like the then they were like wow so i was able to like flex a bit then er then i think most importantly is the financial benefits that the second major has to offer so like i feel that with a with access to business modules, then i was able to gain erm better information because i know that my end path, my end goal is i_b so you need to know, you have to have a lot of information, a lot of knowledge when it comes to like financial tools and business modules can provide more information as compared to econs modules so it over these two years, it feed me with a it feed me with a lot of like erm knowledge er financial tools like forwards, future, swot, derivatives, options so and all these access you cannot be access erm like econs modules because they don't offer such modules so like in a sense that i know that i'm able to find i'm confident that i'm able to find a better job with higher wages probably at least like five k within like two, two to three years ah after i graduate so erm it is really my so that's why this event is my changing point yah um a high point um yah since that i met er many through the modules, i also met many like and like minded people erm in class then er which kinda pressured me and it cause like they were really outstanding like they were they actually some of them intern for j_p morgan before then erm some u_b_s so it er even though it pressured me but it told me that it's actually possible like it gave me the impression that it's possible to er make things happen with with this degree as long as i work hard um because the degree already provide me with the key to to unlock the door but i have to find like which door the which firm i want then have a good start and then just erm see how it goes lor um the low point would be during my exchange er cause er when i was on exchange, i was attached with my first boyfriend okay so my current one is my second so erm on exchange, i was attached with my first and then because l_d_r and like seven hours time difference so it's difficult to communicate and like he's he have a regular sleeping cycle so he won't deliberately stay up late just to call me so in a sense that we don't have a lot of erm interaction time and then he is very slow when it comes to replying text messages as well so erm and things just like escalated and gotten worse during the exchange so erm it was it i felt that i was losing my peace, my inner peace and my sanity erm in in the exchange because of my then relationship because he was uncontactable for most of the time and like he was uncontactable because he chose he deliberately choose not to reply me so that was like worse i mean if you are uncontactable because you're busy, it's okay but if you reply others and like not your girlfriend and you deliberately ignore her then it just hurts more lah so at that point in time and the thing is, i cannot confront him physically because i'm in stockholm so that's why like at that point in time, i was my mental health like was really bad and er it's also because of this, i kind of neglected my friends who were on exchange with me and thinking back, i felt really bad ah i i felt very bad lah cause they don't deserve this and yah then eventually, we broke up from the er shortly after, i come back to singapore so erm and then because that's my first so all the more it's difficult and erm we were friends before we got together like we were friends for many years before we got together so that's why it really hurts a lot yah and it was my lowest point lah and but that event taught me erm that when it comes to dating, i also have to rely on my head because in general, i i will rely on my head more than my heart so if you are aware of the m_b_t_i like my m_b_t_i personality is e_s_t_j so the third initial t right means that yah i rely more on my head but only for that event my first date, my first dating experience,i rely on my heart so it it took er so after the break up, it taught me that i have to rely on my head as well when it comes to like emotional things so yah it's okay er okay wait, it's a bit noisy er like when it happened er i guess like i was wait when it happened as in when we got together or when the break up orh okay i guess like er when it happened, when the argument happened (ppo) like when the argument happened, obviously i was er really pissed i was disappointed as well and i felt that i was losing my sanity i felt that i was going crazy but like looking back now, i feel that er i guess like there's a reason why things happened cause even though i'm not very religious but i know that if god sees that he's not he's not the guy he's not the right partner for you, he will try to god would try to make your life difficult in that relationship until you choose to leave that relationship so like looking back, i feel that that i made a good decision to leave and it was just unfortunate that it took place when i was on exchange yah cause it makes like the communication difficult erm i think don't have eh is the is the lowest er it's a personal event and it was on at my lowest so yah hopes for the future er so cause i'm more of a individualistic person so like my hopes for the is definitely something that is related to me er in a sense that i hope to get a decent job with decent wages cause i'm graduating soon and i'm currently attached my second boyfriend so er i hope that like things will i hope that we will still be together like in the short term, in the near term and then erm yah i guess it's just this these are my hopes for near future um i guess erm my biggest wait in life in general erm i guess like my one of the problems that i face is er not having enough time is that er valid uh hm okay okay then one of the biggest problems i face is that i feel that i'm always running out of time and that i feel that twenty four hours is never enough it's a constant worry that i have all the time even though like i'm productive on some on some days, i still feel that more can be done and i guess this is very linked to our current fast paced lifestyle in singapore because like if you are not efficient, if singapore is not efficient then singapore won't be a successful country with high g_d_p growth today so i i see the link in a sense that i feel that if i'm not efficient then i won't be able to reap the benefits erm in the future so like i just want to keep doing more and more and more but like twenty four hours is just not enough yah er wait sorry kay er okay first cause i stay at punggol right so a lot of like planes flying around cause there's like air base nearby so it was a bit noisy like could you repeat the question oh okay cause i'm a planner in general right so in order to like maximise my time, i would like plan before like i would plan in terms i have like hourly plan, weekly plan even a daily planner yah so i know that er it helps me to know whether i'm on track or whether i'm like lagging behind and if i know that i'm lagging behind, then i'll just like speed up okay um i guess like in the short term, in the near future rather hopeful current er would be neutral i i don't have a like currently, i feel neutral like i don't have a but like in the near future, i feel hopeful er in the near future, hopeful is because like er i actually still can't get an internship for this summer break cause i applied late so like er the past few days, i've been sending out internship application so hopefully, i'll be able to get an internship in may erm then er that's the first second is that erm because i'm looking forward i'm looking forward to date my second boyfriend because we haven't been going out for a lot of dates this part, this semester because we were both very busy like year three, year four so yah that's why i'm looking forward to the dates that erm that we can enjoy lah and like looking forward to just i'm looking forward to just like shop and take a pause like take a break in life, just focus on self care like mental health before the next semester starts yah thank you in life or oh um i would say er loyalty loyalty erm in a sense loyalty everywhere lah so not just in friendship, relationship but like even employer to employer to employee kind of loyalty so like i feel that er loyalty is very important because er because i just don't like i don't like like betrayal, backstabbing so it's because i don't like this which is why i feel that loyalty is very important okay can er right and wrong er to be honest right i feel that there is no right and wrong in many things it's more of different perspective yah even an objective matter it can have grey areas as well and this is because there's different perspective yah um about the loyalty question er definitely trust and belief ah eh and uh definitely trust and loyalty like i always work on these two beliefs like trust and loyalty this is my fundamental erm values in life lah trust is because like if you can't even trust someone then how are you going to work with them and work in a sense that it can be all sorts of collaboration like for example financial transaction the retailer and the customer or it can be like in in a relationship or it can be you know family context like whether you trust your parents et cetera yah so trust it it's applicable everywhere um no cause i am quite individualistic so i don't go for like volunteer or like church group yah i don't have eh yah er anything else ah er wait so this is like a add on question right orh no don't have er no need orh oh nah it's okay um er so story of singapore er the first section is i guess history like all i all along i know that singapore before there is a fishing village and it's er very run very erm poor living conditions, not ideal for settlement er yah that's the history that i know and then like second i guess it's education level so in the the change in education like in the past erm many people were lowly educated they have like very low <unk> they have low educational level and their jobs were mostly like blue collar jobs so like construction workers et cetera but like now, there's many more white collar jobs and like the educational level increased also there's a lot of people having masters, p_h_d so i guess like there's a change in education level then the third one would be erm i guess like the housing housing so in the past like singapore have a lot of like uh kampong glams like they i don't know how it looks like but er cause i never seen one in real life but it's like yah very old and like not sturdy walls but now it's like er high rise buildings there's like many skyscrapers so the buildings is not just erm the housing buildings but like office building as well like the office buildings they were they are really erm really tall, very different from the past and then the fourth one the fourth section is erm i guess like about singapore er um er fourth one wait i'm at my fourth right okay er i guess i guess like the the parks the the parks so like i realised that erm it's more accessible and more connected like in the past erm like one park would be situated by itself like for example punggol park it's not connected to m_b_s for example but like now there's more like connectors connecting the park so it's easier for me to cycle from like north east to central something like that then erm fifth, i think would be the accessibility in singapore so like it is becoming more accessible in a sense that there's more m_r_t routes, more bus routes er yah and um orh one thing i i noticed is that singapore the prices, it keeps increasing wait it's a good the prices in singapore generally like the c_p_i index, it keeps increasing like inflation erm oh and singapore just increase the inflation rate to eight percent so like it erm living in singapore is getting more expensive that's what i realised in the past, it used to be cheaper but i guess that's also a good sign it shows that singapore is impressive yah so i guess that's all um the first key event in singapore i think it's er g_s_s can i say that uh the great singapore sale yah i like i like that event in singapore and like you can only find the event in singapore so i really like it a lot because very cheap then everywhere there's like discount yah er yah i guess that's all it's quite self explanatory lah the event er everywhere like in shops, in retail shops eh not just retail shops, online shops also basically the retail sphere um i usually shop alone so i i'm the only one that is involved and and the and the retailers yah um i really like it a lot i am i was disappointed that they remove it during the covid year uh but like right now, yah i'm looking forward to the next g_s_s event er significant oh in a sense that it really helps singapore in terms of like the the g_d_p spending uh the the g_d_p cause erm in econs right, i study that g_d_p is affected by many factors and one of them is domestic spending so in singapore because we have a very low population as compared to other countries, so singapore we have low domestic spending as compared to for example u_s who are huge spends so this g_s_s event, it helps to stimulate domestic spending and helps to boost g_d_p because erm the asians in general, are savers, huge savers so erm which is why this event it helps to boost the economy in terms of like g_d_p, er domestic spending yah er it says about how conservative <yah> when it comes to spending er because i mean it could it goes back to singaporeans being an individualistic society because if you spend more means you get to if you spend more now means you get to spend less in the future so a lot of people like to plan for their government c_p_f so that's why erm it's difficult to encourage people to spend more in singapore as compared to in the u_s and like probably there's pension schemes et cetera so yah it says that singaporeans are generally very conservative lah when it comes to spending yah er more connected because i'm like that as well er second key event in singapore is definitely the pandemic so so er i guess because singapore thought because the policymakers they probably thought that covid is gonna be like sars which is going to be resolved in a year and like they didn't expect it to drag so which is why erm the i mean covid taught us a lot of things in a sense that it taught us to like treasure our loved ones because you don't know when they will leave just because of a sudden pandemic and like you won't be able to meet your friends for a very long time so erm oh and and er it taught me to spend more time with your loved one lah in a sense that like it isolates you with them so and because of this, many businesses they also learn on er social media marketing like they took their business online, learn online marketing so a lot of people like learn from this pandemic yah including policymakers yup er okay because their the measures that they took was actually similar to sars initially during the er initially when covid out er broke out, they thought that okay by isolating people by erm by like locking down or basically wearing mask so it was the government that told us to wear mask and the government thought that like wearing mask, it helps to prevent the spread of the virus like sars because but the difference is that covid is more infectious then sars like covid covid is er less deadly in a sense that not everyone dies so the solution to tackle covid is vaccination and it took like i think close to a year for the government to realise that vaccination is a solution unlike erm mask which was for sars and because the vaccination is new, then like there were many side effects like paralysis or like strokes et cetera for the older people so erm that's why there's a lot of like learning for the policymakers and eventually, the government singapore policy the the policy makers in singapore, they feel that it's good to live with covid as the final solution, which is why we are still erm which is why borders are open even though there's like the pandemic so which is totally different from what happened in two thousand and three er when it happened er same thing i was really disappointed cause i couldn't meet my friends and like er i couldn't go out to like shopping or like just see see look look yah but then now er looking back, er now because i know that we have to live with covid somehow and the border can't be closed so er er and now we don't have to wear mask so yah i'm kinda glad that i mean it yah it's like a suck it up kind of thing lah cause like the pandemic mah it's beyond your control so just live with it um it is important because erm the policymakers they they learn from this health crisis which eventually turned out to be a small financial crisis i think er and then businesses er in singapore they also learn like er online marketing or like just taking their business online or maybe even working with like grab food so i guess like more older people become more erm receptive towards like online business and maybe like managing in third party intermediaries yah yah so i guess it's um um that we are very willing to help out each other when erm things are tough so like during the pandemic, there were many healthcare workers who actually stayed up in the hospital erm night shift and they didn't even go back to their own homes for because they are afraid of like spreading the virus to their family members so it says a lot about like the front line workers that these people they are really brave and like really, really helpful and yah they just want the better for society yah which is very great lah yah more connected to singapore because er like it taught me to um more connected in a sense that erm i guess it's because it's happening around me in singapore so i can't like not see the connection um the third key event would be erm i would say the two thousand and eight financial crisis that affected singapore um because it was also that financial crisis that sparked my interest in the banking and finance industry yah because er it was my first time hearing about lehman brothers, which are like big i_b firms and like it kinda sparked my interest a bit like knowing why why it happened and the impact that it has on the world then er yah it just made me very interested then as i got more information about it, how it affects singapore and hurt the smaller and bigger economies then like it sparked my interest to get a job in the i_b sector which is why yah econs is my major um when it happened because i was only eight years old, so i was too young to to to to know in details and i just know that erm thankfully, my parents didn't invest cause they are really conservative when it comes to like investments, so they were not affected but over the news, i saw that there are many people who like lost their fortune because of this so i was erm i feel sad for them but yah i mean they would i mean it's not like they want it mah they also can't expect it they didn't they didn't expect it so yah but then now erm looking back, like it was there's a lot of learning points in a sense that erm if it weren't for the financial crisis then like new stringent like rules won't be implemented more stringent rules won't be implemented it's because of the financial crisis right the the fed in u_s, they cut down they make a lot of implemented a lot of stringent rules when it comes like lending and borrowing yah so it shaped the financial sector today and not just in singapore, so it has a very it's very impactful it says how small an open singapore economy is that any big movements by the bigger economies will affect singapore significantly and it also shows how interconnected all the countries is because like cause like everyone just open border except for north korea yah so it shows how how small and like how small and open singapore is lah yah yah connected in a sense that er because a lot of people in singapore they also lost their money due to the two thousand eight financial crisis so even though i have never seen first hand, but i saw on the news how like many singaporeans were affected so yah yah it made me more connected to singapore cause i saw it first hand i saw it on the t_v in singapore (ppo) um the high point of singapore um i guess a high point in singapore would be the er the the north kim the trump kim summit in twenty sixteen so like the fact that two of the world's biggest leaders choose to meet for the first time and they chose to meet in singapore so it was really big for singapore and like it really boost the reputation of singapore and it was so big that erm many people cause before that i went overseas with my parents before and when i say that i'm from singapore, they will be like oh where is singapore or like is it in china but like now after that, then they will when they when i tell people that i'm from singapore, then they will be like yah i've heard of singapore before or i've even been to singapore so it's like very different yah er when it happened i was spectating erm i guess like er when it happened i i felt neutral lah basically cause it didn't erm impact me directly because i'm a spectator but i guess like indirectly erm er indirectly like can flex lor like oh i'm from singapore something like that yah er now i guess like the event died down, but one thing stays which is erm people's knowledge of singapore like they know that it exist and it's not in china like it's a country on its own in asia um it shows how successful singapore is today erm singapore is not even sixty years old when the thing happened when the event happened, singapore is not even like sixty years of independence and yet erm in a so small country just a red dot like a significant milestone happened so it says that the trust that the global leaders have in singapore trust and like erm the their trust in like the safety protocols, the everything lah yah which really boost our reputation um more connected because i agree with i agree with i agree with the fact that singapore is relatively safe so erm it's a country that investors, global leaders, everyone should come and visit yah um okay for me right, thankfully i've not have any like bad encounters with like thief, pickpockets or or like et cetera and i guess partly because i try to keep myself safe like i try not to go out to erm i try not to go out late at night, i try not to go to places that are like that has very few people so, so far like i've not have any bad encounters or like life threatening encounter so everything is good so far um i don't have any leh like i feel that singapore has been progressing so far and even in those even in some negative events they are still positive one so it didn't turn out to be entirely bad so i can't think of one off hand orh er low point in singapore i guess i guess a low point in singapore is erm during the pandemic period cause like erm er infection rates kept increasing i think last year this time round there was it hit ten k i think if i'm not wrong the numbers were crazy last year this time so like despite like government's effort to to like sort the disease oh and before that we have zero death rates and we were really proud of it but like in the end, we had one death rate, two death rate and just keeps increasing so i guess like erm it was it's a low point for singapore policymakers in a sense that it shows that they didn't contain the virus as effectively as they thought they would so yah and the numbers just keep increasing the the number of infections so i guess yah er it was so bad because everyone have to wear mask like it affected everyone and then whenever you are indoors or outdoors, you have to wear mask and i think there was a period that even if you're doing sports like erm normal sports like walking i think you have to wear mask or something yah because it was so bad and like everyone is didn't dare to leave house everyone was like everywhere was like a ghost town so it was really bad um yah and it affected my lifestyle significantly so yah er like i have to wear mask all the time which was really uncomfortable because er i have a high metabolism in a sense that like i breathe a lot and i i sweat a lot if i like make any if i walk quickly, i'll sweat a lot so and like erm in the morning, i'll have like sinus issue also so i can't even breathe properly and i have to wear a mask so it was really like difficult lah so i'll pre~ i'll prefer not to wear a mask in general okay um definitely for singapore to keep progressing erm while keeping prices low for everyone i mean if prices have to increase then at least increase the wages like increase the basic minimum wage or even like the average wage just increase yah because i feel that erm singapore shouldn't progress at an expense of the welfare or the well being of its people because like labour and singapore growth, they work hand in hand so if you if you short change your workers in a sense that like it can be your wages or like the welfare then you also like the policymaker shouldn't expect singapore to go far next chapter of this interview this survey orh orh okay okay orh er hope to see ah definitely more advancement in every areas like technological advancement, healthcare advancement er yah and definitely i would see more like autonomy when it comes to like er those er like those blue collar jobs like basically more machines taking over, more machines displacing er jobs that can be yah like for example the cashier like like self help kiosks all these yah um i think er singapore has faced er i i think would be oh i think would be erm lifting the poverty out of the poverty lifting people out of poverty yah because erm in the past right basically our parents' generation they were lowly educated so with their educational level, they won't be able to get a decent job and they were mostly equipped with like basic skills so in order to lift them out of poverty like the government have to do a lot of measures like erm retraining or like like skillsfuture et cetera and because if they don't have a decent income then they won't be able to afford their healthcare cost in the future and they don't have a lot of money in their c_p_f because if they have a very low income so i think this is a constant problem that the government that the present government, the present policymakers have to have to solve because like those our parents' generation they come from like the kampong glam era so er i feel so i guess in a short run, this is a constant problem that the government have to solve but maybe fifty years but i feel that fifty years down the road erm the government, the policymakers won't have to deal with this kind of problems anymore because the older generation the older batch fifty years later would be like us so we we have a decent income lah so yah reduce so i think like in singapore our <unk> yah erm the wait what is the significant what orh the significance is the healthcare costs burden erm because like er government will provide subsidies for like healthcare costs and the subsidies come from the taxpayers money which is like my money and like your money so and me being a individualistic person so i would rather i would rather the government spend my taxes on like productive areas i do admit that healthcare cost is a productive area, it's just that erm i feel that more can be done by the government yah so er so i think number one is the healthcare cost second is the the impact on the younger generation on the future generation because that household like would have had a poor income so their children would be deprived of like learning opportunities or like erm just or like maybe er swimming classes like special like classes beyond erm the school curriculum so erm then they would be short changed in a sense so erm it has like a snowball effect on the younger generations as well yah so i guess which is why it's important to like tackle this area um er overall outlook on life very fast paced because singapore drives on efficiency and productivity which is why i see that erm yah er yah lor erm because like singapore keeps improving itself to be a competitive society as it is today that erm has global is globally recognised so and the thing is, in order to erm to transform from a fishing village to now in less than sixty years, it's very difficult unless like significant reforms is made in the society yah and er the fact that the government actually allow us to work o_t and was fine with that and like cause in like stockholm, the government will actually like capped the working hours and not have a minimum working hour so it's different yah but in singapore it's like there's a minimum working hours, there's no maximum working hours actually have but like the maximum working hours is so outrageous that no no normal employers would hit that cap yah and like the working hours for singapore is very long as well it's like until ten p_m for shopping malls but in stockholm, like malls will be closed at like nine p_m or eight p_m for the smaller malls yah so in a sense that erm can tell that many directions point to efficiency and productivity yah um most important value i guess i guess it's trust yah trust because like if we are not credible, then no erm countries would want to work with us, conduct trades with us and yah so basically credibility is very important especially in the business world yup um definitely er judiciary like we have like laws in place and because in singapore erm if you don't have explicit laws in place then many er lawyers they can just tweak around with the rules and then play with it and which may have like several which may have like a severe repercussion and like yah so that's why and in singapore right it's erm our law system is common law which is based on like judiciary em er judiciary the judge's opinions and like the past judge the past judges the case, the cases like case law yah so we we are largely yah basically the common law just governs us lor like it it determines the rights and wrong in singapore um um no that's all er nope that's all er hopeful as well like er yah because i believe we have good policymakers, good strategies that erm knows how to deal with any er events that erm that erm er that are abrupt and like significant so i have good er i trust them and like i trust in their abilities basically yah um con~ very connected i guess because i'm singaporean (ppl) and i grew up here so yah grow up here for like twenty three years so it's like yah very affected okay er that you get rewarded for your hard work er in a sense that like the rewards are not related to financial rewards there's also more financial rewards like certificate, trophies which i feel that erm meritocracy in primary schools amongst the younger kids i realised that non financial, non financial rewards they work better but for older students financial rewards work better yah so if the government or like the educators, if they know how to properly grasps like properly erm they like okay like if they they need to find a balance between like financial and non financial rewards to the point that erm because excessive financial rewards it may backfire like er yah it may backfire lor so er okay in a sense that i feel that er students should have more students should study for intrinsic due to intrinsic reward rather than extrinsic reward so if the extrinsic reward crowds out the intrinsic reward like large financial reward for example then it won't have like good impact it won't it won't turn out well in a sense like it won't be as good like intrinsic reward should weigh more than extrinsic reward er intrinsic reward is like a sense of satisfaction erm from like maybe scoring a decent grade or like erm your your knowledge you gain knowledge which is something that cannot 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YYA68844_120723_1500_2_c270524_gt_final.docx | mm uh yah that that's okay maybe uh it's just the history of singapore maybe i i don't have a lot of knowledge, so uh maybe when we talk about the his~ uh the story of singapore mm yah we'll see how to talk about that mm-mm mm-mm mm-mm so two to seven sections mm-mm okay so maybe uh uh es~ an easy way um to break the se~ uh sections is that um because i lived in i have lived in like three countries so far, so the first uh part i lived in china because i'm from china, and um from born till uh till maybe twenty three years old, uh basically is um most of time i i i was in school like from primary to uh college so after college i went to uh the u_s uh to pursue further studies uh for my master degree and uh p_h_d degree, and also i did the one year post doc there uh so the third section is uh i came to singapore from uh twen~ twenty eighteen, uh so maybe uh after that twenty eighteen to uh until now is the third section mm mm-mm okay so maybe the first key event um uh i would say the like um i i'm not sure whether you know like the exam after high school is very important in china, so basically people um prepare for the exam um like work very hard for that exam, and because uh that will determine where you go for college so uh before that uh my life was quite um uh lucky, uh so everything went well uh but before the exam um before the exam i like my grades were okay, and uh so i basically uh apply for the maybe the the uh one of the best school in in china and because my uh grade were relatively stable uh in high school so it should be okay and but uh uh after uh like the results are out um so actually my grades were also okay uh in that year like for that exam, but uh just for that year uh a lot of uh people uh apply for the same school as as i, so uh because and then the bar was very high that year for the school so then er i still got into that school but i was uh like moved to a different major, uh uh which i didn't want to go to um so uh there's a a very unexpected thing for me because um based on my like uh regular grade like normal grades and also my uh final grade for the exam so er everyone feel uh it should be okay for that school or for that major, but the results were uh surprising and unexpected uh uh for me and also for the family so my family was thinking out whether i should go uh like i i i should uh redo the exam then i need to like uh uh like do the high school for one more year, um because the the major was really uh like it's nursing is uh because i i want to go to medical school but it's in medical school but uh the major like they they adjusted it to nursing, so it's very different although they are in the same school so er and the life or the professional like the career path would be very different so then i was debating whether i should go for the nursing uh major or whether i should do the exam next year so that means i need to uh like go to the high school again, and uh it's also like uh because you can't now guarantee by the next year you can go to the the best school or the good school then it's very challenging for me, and it is also quite emotional i still remember like uh the the the night i i like got the results uh from the phone and so i i i couldn't sleep uh the night and i was thinking uh uh a lot of things uh what i should do um but later i still mm like after consulting with like different people, i still pursue like go to the same school uh, go to the school for the nursing major, uh because it is a the school is the university is one of the best university uh of the like to keep it short or mm-mm about my feeling and thoughts yah i i felt uh disappointed and also feel um like don't know where to go, and also like feel like doubt about my future (ppl) whether i will just be a nurse or not um so there's a a very big decision for me and uh but for now uh i still feel like uh that event was a challenging and but i i i'm quite happy that i'm made that decision, um although sometimes i i was also thinking of if i i didn't go like what would happen for my uh life maybe it will lead to a very different life but uh uh at least uh i i think it's still a good decision because after i went to the mm the the university, although i was in the nursing major and and uh almost the all of our classmates um were the same like situation as me so everyone didn't like apply for the nursing school, but everyone apply for like medicine or to be a doctor, but we are moved to the nursing school because of maybe a few points lower than the bar um so uh and all of almost all of us didn't want to uh do nursing uh as a job or career, so we studied very hard in university, even harder than (ppl) like in high school ,c/> so that's not normal uh in most of the universities and we got uh we like the average was very high for like the average grade very high for our classmates, uh even higher than the like uh students in the medical degree like uh the the the the other majors because we uh studied very hard and because we want to change uh that that destiny <unk> changed the past and so after five years of hard study, and i was also uh trying to uh to pursue a second major which is in psychology, because um i was already interested in psychology in high school um so after i go to the nursing major i pursue a second uh major in psychology, and then after uh er five years after uh i ca~ i graduate i apply for a master programme in psychology, um like psychology or education and i was able to go to um a very nice programme um in the u_s, uh so the the i was very lucky because i i can go to like harvard for the master degree so (ppl) like is like some some like mm people in the university thought i is very uh how to say encouraging, because i didn't do well uh to some extent in the exam, and i i i i want to um mm not ideal major in university, but it turns out after that i still can pursue a major that's uh i'm interested in, and also go to a good school after the university uh so that's the master programme after that and then after uh the master programme i just pursue the path of psychology, um and then yah, so right now i'm a researcher in psychology or developmental psychology or education so um for my uh for my like life, um the nursing major like didn't become the final (ppl) like career for me, so uh that's that's i think that's not so influential but the experience in university for the five years was quite influential for me because um mm like the whole thing of the major like an not an ideal major was um challenge for me, so i was able to uh when i just enter my university i was very dwon, like i feel really don't want to didn't want to go to school and er when i think about anything like for example sometimes i i i i see the like weather forecast, and the weather forecast mentioned one city (ppl) and the city is the hometown of my uh like um housemate in university, then i i feel very sad (ppl) although that's relation is very long right not um direct relation, but uh uh like implicitly i feel very sad because that's related to the university, because i really didn't want to think about university, i didn't want to think about going to school so that's that part was really uh like related to the sadness in my heart so anything related to school uh even like the relation was very far, very indirect, i still feel i suddenly i feel sad, and i think i i i try to think oh why i feel sad, oh because that's related to my housemate in school so um yah at that um time i was just um like feel very negative about university, but later uh uh like after i like um was started involved uh in different activities in university, and uh i got friends, and so things got better so the life was okay, and uh i was happy in university like for the most of time after maybe uh a few months um after i entered school yah because the weather forecast uh in china they say uh the the the temperature of all of the cities in china all of the major cities in china, and when they say oh uh the the temperature of this city like the city a, uh is what what, and when i hear that i feel sad then i i i try to think why i feel sad after i hear this then i realised because city a is the hometown of my housemate in school do you know the can you understand the relation and the housemate in school is related to my life in school, um and the life in school i make me feel sad so the relation it's very long (ppl) yah yah yah yah so it's like becomes uh quite deep like everything related to my school (ppl) was negative, uh so it make me can elicit my negative emotions it's influential mm yah so one thing is that uh it it's quite like difficult, the the course work uh was quite difficult, because it's medical school, although we were in the nursing major, we still need to take the same course as like uh the medicine students um like a lot of things um from like math uh, english to like some physiology, um chemistry to like i i don't know all of all all of the english words but um i the books are very thick, so the content was very hard and we really want to go to um um how to say, like go out of nursing so that means we really need to uh get good uh good grades, um then we can have options to choose other majors for master degree uh yah, so um everyone in class um really work work really hard, so the environment was very um stressful (ppl) uh so we need to live with that, uh so that's a very challenging um experience for me and i um i went through that so after i graduate, uh i went to like master degree, um because um you know the that the course in at harvard was also not easy, and a lot of my classmates uh in a master degree in harvard they feel uh they they really feel uh they need to work very hard and it's very challenging um but for me i feel uh compared to my university's courses, um these are now so difficult so um that's one aspect uh why is influential, because that make me maybe more resilient or uh like uh can uh can uh bear more like pressure or stress uh another thing is um uh now i i sometimes i feel uh it's it's also a good decision to go to the medical school uh although it's in the nursing major, uh it's good for my life because you know the the medical knowledge um would be useful for everyone so i i still benefit from that although i don't have like all of the uh cutting edge information of the like disease, but i still have the sense of like basic knowledge of um like medicine or like physiology or uh of like the the the physician it like internal were sur~ surgery or surgeon, i don't know the the the terms (ppl) but um because we learned that and we also um intern in hospitals for very long time, um so that knowledge and experience uh it's also very helpful for me and also for my families, like at least i um i have some knowledge and sense of medicine uh when i uh search uh the information as i think that that's helpful for me to uh se~ get the correct information or useful information, mm (ppl) maybe that's the first time i i heard i but but i knew singapore but the first time like there's something related to singapore, because my um housemate uh she before she went to the university, she had an opportunity to uh come to singapore um so uh like i don't i i'm not sure about the programmes, but like the the singapore schools go to their schools to select people, so they can uh come to singapore as like students not sure whether it's in junior college but um so they can come to study english and then apply for college here or university here um and she often talk about how she was regret for (ppl) like she she didn't come (ppl) and she she like uh took the exam then she went children nursing which she hates very much, so maybe that's the first time that uh singapore become a little bit closer to me, um yah but other than that um it's not very not very related i think maybe a little bit more, but um not very much (ppl) em because my friend talked about like good things because she she she thought she she she should um have come to singapore, um so that's a good thing i actually talk about good thing for singapore um then uh yah maybe then that's like make it closer okay so maybe um the evnet is i uh started my uh study in the u_s, um before that um like my environment was quite simple like i stay in beijing for the first twenty three years, uh even in the university i live in the university but i still stay closely with my family like i went back to went back home every week, almost every week um but uh when i went to the u_s um, like i feel is quite different like (ppl) it open to a different word for me uh and i started to live by myself, um and uh need to like take care of myself for everything i started cooking, um and um do grocery shopping, and everything so but uh at that time, although like there are a lot of new things that may be challenging, but i feel in general was very excited and happy um when i started school in the u_s uh i think one uh important thing is that um i got a lot of friends when i started uh the master programme, that's i think that's very helpful that make me not lonely at all, although i went to a new uh environment for new city in a new country so and um many of us like studied together, and um sometimes cook together and do grocery shopping together, and and i go to activities together, so uh that's very helpful we have uh like very supportive um cohort uh at that time, uh so that make me like uh feel quite excited and uh happy for the first year <unk> the one year and also like uh i feel mm like it's uh it's it's like a different um life, um like one thing i feel quite unexpected is that the first time i um wasn't home the first spring festival uh that i spent with friendss rather than family uh was that time like the the first year i went to the u_s um so i i thought i would be quite sad because usually it it's a very important festival that we spent um time with families, and we had we usually have a lot of activities at home for spring festival, i go to different relatives houses and uh do fireworks and a lot of other things but uh for that year we spent uh we we celebrate with friends so there were a lot of friends um like all the chinese mm the the the students from china uh were the same year, uh so we celebrate together and i feel oh is like a different feeling but it's so happy (ppl) and so i was surprised because i i'm quite close to my family, but sometimes i i like at that time i also feel guilty on why i feel so happy uh away from family family, i can be so happy with friends uh in the spring festival mm yah, but um but um i think that's why that's important, one important aspect is that that um the start uh i become more open to different values, or different opinions um before that um like my family like have some certain (ppl) rules or certain habits, and i feel poh we should just do like this but after that after i go to the u_s and also uh see different people and live with different people, i realised oh um things can be different and there's no right or wrong and so that make my doubts change uh in different aspects from the details in life, like how to use cups or how to brush teeth (ppl) to um some other values, i cannot think about um an example but um like more abstract values about people yah which one (ppl), i forgot which which part, the first one mm so um it's not like one point or just one event that changed my view, is just the a starter is the start of a new chapter of my life so start from that i um my my views or values started to change because i'm exposed to different things, or uh a more like variaties of things mm it changes like um how i see the world, or how i should behave, or how i think about myself, how should i treat myself, or what i should pursue yah yah exposure to new ideas because for example maybe one example is that um like before i went to u_s, i always think uh i should push myself, the books i read is or the book i read to my cousins like younger cousins are like how you push yourself (ppl), how you should um treat yourself very harsh like uh uh to to work more and more so although you've sometimes feel tired to lazy but you really need to get up and study and (ppl) also like work very hard and but uh for the first year i maybe the second year or and it there's no clear time, so i i met friends and um uh he was also my boyfriend at that time, um so i i try very hard to apply for p_h_d programmes at that time, and for the first year i didn't get in to good program, so i stay there for one more year to apply for um another year for for better schools for p_h_d programme then at that time i also try to be harsh to myself, to work hard, but i was very stressful because i need to finish the courses in school, i also need to try different uh research interns in different labs and there was also like a challenge in language and also need to adapt to the new culture, like i it's quite a lot of things for me, and also need to like uh prepare for g_r_e and also language exam, and uh and at the same time need to prepare for the materials like the personal statement, um lot of things uh so i was very stressed, and so my my my boyfriend at that time just to uh give me different ideas, like you you just uh do your best, and then you will go to a school that er is suitable for you if you try too hard to reach a very very high school, then you if you you are not suitable for that, even you get there, you will not be happy or you will not be um like you will not thrive in that school so you just be yourself and treat you well (ppl) treat yourself well, then you just go to the place that's you should be then it's quite a different uh idea um from my previous idea, because i i always think i i should go to the best, i should really like stretch myself and to reach to the highest point so when he talked about this, because he was at um a p_h_d programme at harvard, and is for me is the like can be the the most ideal or best programme, um but she he said if someone like who wasn't very that interested or very capable uh for that programme, even they went into the programme, they will not be happy because all the students in that programme they work really hard because they love the things, so that the match or fit is very important, so because that will make you feel happy so yeah that's an example and then i started to change my mind (ppl), i i don't know whether it's a good change or bad change but i try to relax a little bit, and not so not push myself too hard um so it turned out uh the results are okay, and i got good programmes, good offers um at the end of that year so uh yah so that's maybe just one example of how mm the friends or people or uh the life in the u_s changed my mind uh or values mm, not very emotional for like uh for now, but um i think uh this kind of uh changes were very important for me um because that change (ppl) how i treat myself now, or like my um status now, um but the change were was guadually, like gradually change not too much but um i see some friends uh from singapore uh in the same programme, uh so maybe started to know a little bit more about singapore but not very much yah a little bit um in the master programme, only a little bit but in my uh p_h_d programme but i'm not sure whether there's the same event, uh is is a later programme uh but it's still in the u_s and uh my maybe the closest friend in my cohort um is from singapore yah p_h_d program uh because that's not very close, so we just sometimes stay together and didn't talk so much or deeply, um so only know a little bit i don't think it makes a big change, we didn't talk a lot about singapore at that time okay (ppl) okay okay yah yah yah mm okay so the last event um would be like uh i had my child, uh the fir~ the first child, now i have two children, but the first child make a big more significant difference um so uh that is the last year i was in the u_s, so uh before i i have a child i sometimes (ppl) think about like uh what's the meaning of life, so it like the question always it's always there and i couldn't find the answer sometimes, and especially when uh i feel frustrated, um or like um especially like uh for the year i look for jobs or applying for uh like different programmes and i couldn't get it, in the process i feel oh why it's so hard, and uh even i got it uh then so what so sometimes i think about oh what' the meaning of life but after i have uh like my daughter, the first child, um i just oh suddenly realised i sto~ (ppl) i stopped thinking about that question that that question like bother me for many many years uh but after i have a child i i s~ stopped thinking about that because i feel like uh like everyday, uh like every morning when i uh wake up and think about my child, then that's the meaning of life so (ppl) it's a it it it it's a like big change for my life, so i just feel (ppc) my my life become so meaningful and just because of my child, and just do nothing and like just to grow up with her, mm that's that can be like more (ppl) than meaningful for me, so mm anything else i i don't (ppl) need to like pursue um so so i think maybe that's the biggest change for my life, and uh after that um i have maybe have other challenge, um but uh like compared to my child or when i think my my child, um that's not so big or mm so i i just feel very uh grateful or lucky to to have uh my daughter or have children in general, so because i i i i like children even for now from myself um and i also feel very fulfilled to have children, um and uh i really enjoy the love between us, and er from from me to them or, and also from them to me, and also um knowing they know i love them it's really like (ppl) it it is happier than knowing they love me, i don't know whether (ppl) you know what's the difference but um it's it's very fulfilling for me and al~ although it's really like tiring (ppl) to taking care of kids but um i think everything is worth it has changed my feeling towards life, um make my life so meaningful, and i feel so uh satisfied uh with my life mm-hm mm so uh my my daughter was born after we decided to come to singapore um and also we we came to singapore after uh she was born shortly, uh so and most of the time i spent with her um is in singapore so um my daughter like my life with my daughter is related is is tied to singapore um yah but uh it's not because we have a daughter (ppl) we decided to come to singapore, yah but maybe like because having children after i have a child, then need to think about what's the best place for children, and so singapore would have advantage to uh raise child because it's safe and and also child friendly like the facilities mm, yah, and it is it's a nice place to raise children yah, so maybe in that aspect um in that aspect uh is related to singapore giving birth like it didn't make a difference, but in general my daughter definitely make me feel closer to singapore mm i think the highest point is still like uh when my daughter was born, or when i have my child (ppl) yah but the lowest point is also related to that but uh maybe it's i can s~ like say it's different event, yah like having a child is it ha~ it happened um in twenty eighteen uh in the u_s and but you know it's complicated emotion, so in one aspect it's very joyful, and after i have a child um everything is so meaningful but at the same time, it's also a very stressful (ppl) period (ppl) so yah yah so i don't know because when i think about my life, that period of time can be a low point for me as well um (ppl) i don't know how to mm yah so the high point is that like i mentioned like i have a daughter, and that makes me feel so uh meaningful, satisfied with life but um mm that period of time maybe the most stressful period of time in my life so far, because um uh we have a lot of things to do, because we need to move um after she was born shortly after she was born so during the one month of time, mm i need to recover uh even like when i just went back to home from hospital, the next day i need to go out uh to stand in the post office for very long to queue to to apply for a passport for my daughter because if i don't i don't do that, um she cannot get the passport on time then we cannot move, because after the passport there are also a lot of paperwork to do, so the time was very tight um so i remember i was really um tired, and it's also painful because i did the surgery c section, i don't know whether you know, um and i couldn't stand for long but they didn't have a chair (ppl) and also like uh we we schedule appointment but the officer didn't show up, so they ask us to wait and my my body was really cannot uh stand so i i need to sit or i need to squat, so i i remember that's very uh desperate, i cannot stand is also uh stressful but that's only one example, but there are a lot of paperwork and a lot of uh things to do uh during that one month and also it's very stressful because everything has a time limit, if we didn't do that we don't know what to do because the visa will expire (ppl) at a certain time point, so we cannot stay in the u_s after the date so uh and the background make everything difficult and stressful, including the like relationships between people, uh like erm you uh i think almost all of the relationships, because my parents uh went to the u_s to help us um and also uh i think my husband was also very stressed at that time, because he also need to uh take care of a lot of things, and also is a big change um for his life also and then we also have some uh i don't know whether it's called conflict, but some like like conflicts with my parents in law because they also experienced quite some stressful things in their life, uh because of their parents like their mom has some um like stroke, so they need to take care of them and we also uh were stress were stressed and then like a lot of things going on at that time so the relationship was very difficult, so i need to take care of the all the relationships, and the tension people be~ between people was also quite (ppl) intense uh and also like taking care of a newborn the first time was also very challenging, sometimes don't know what to do so uh it's really hectic (ppl) so when i think about the period of time maybe uh one month, um i'm happy that uh we don't need to go through that, i hope we don't need to go through that anymore um so that's the most challenging period of time for me, although like even even for uh like uh when i went to the the nursing major, or when i didn't get in p_h_d programmes after my master programme, so those are also the low point of life, but i think compared to the this period of time they were okay, so it's still manageable but this period of time i feel really uh stressed and uh quite low, okay i think probably both physically and um mentally is challenging, um uh physically is because um my body was still recovering, and also was very tired, couldn't sleep well take care of take care of the newborn and mentally uh because like it's stressful mm because it has time limit, and uh we need to finish everything, and uh cannot make any mistake um so that's very stressful, and also the relationships uh the there there is a tension in the household, so everyone feel oh mm so it's so (ppl) tense, like uh i'm afraid or everyone is afraid that other person will um be angry or like in that mood so yah, so may i think that's the reason both physically and mentally mm i think that's pretty much of it so then then i'm thinking like maybe i just separate um having a child (ppl) is a high point but uh the later part like moving and dealing with the relationship between people is the law point, um that i just make me um change my view of life so i just feel um there is no doubt that life is meaningful, and i find my the meaning of my life after i have my daughter mm-hm mm probably no dreams and hopes and i just uh hope um my family members are healthy and safe, uh and my children are happy and just uh grow up happily and safely, um and they can mm reach their potentials, and hopefully we can help them to reach the potentials next chapter uh i think i think the long chapter will be like raising my children to grow up, mm that's the major topic of probably is also the current chapter uh it is it one time point or it's in general yah i think that's that's the same as the like lowest low point of my life yah yah like um a lot of things happened together, like giving birth and moving, um yah how did this develop uh how did this develop, uh i don't know (ppl) i maybe develop gradually, um so it <unk> mm yah i think is started from the uh how did this challenge developed, mm maybe from like uh when i was pregnant and so i think things get um starting to get uh life started to get more stressful, and because like er uh uh i think something happens in my parents in in law family, uh like the health issue of my husband grand~ grandma, and so they have some conflicts about like who should take care of the grandma um during like when i was pregnant then started from that, uh the the relationship uh started to feel a little bit like tension (ppl), and then it also uh because of the time constraints after my daughter was born, uh it just make it more stressful mm and also uh like my parents also went to the u_s, uh so there are more people, and that's maybe the first time uh all of us lived together for a longer time then um yah, like conflicts or differences come up um yah how did i deal with this um i think my friend uh is helpful was helpful, and also uh try to like get external help from for example confinement nanny, uh and also just to uh just get over of this, because it's a short period of time, when it's done when the moving is done, then everything is better so erm yah that's all it's significant um because um all the relationships like we need to spend time to uh how to say uh maybe it's now repairing, but just the need to um maintain the relationship or make the relationships better after that um yah so i think uh the relationship maybe last longer, the influence for the relationships um yah, but other things uh just stopped after we move mm-hm overall outlook, what what do you mean overall outlook of life how do i view life, my life uh mm i think i'm relatively lucky, and uh i'm satisfied with my current life status um em i have like uh a family my parents love me very much, and i also have a sister, so it's a very loving family and also i have a ha ~happy family uh small family, i have two children, and uh we we are like i also have a husband (ppl), so we are a happy family and uh it's also a loving family, uh so i'm quite satisfied with my current status and i also have a a job that um i likes, and i can do uh that i'm interested in for job um yah, so in general i'm quite satisfied most important value like wha~ what's the value, oh love, it's love a value (ppl) mm yah, i i think uh like love in the family is the most important thing for me right and wrong my sense of right or wrong, mm so right thing is in general is good uh for most of people, and wrong is um may have some bad influence (ppl) you know for some people fundamental beliefs, mm i i i think i still believe um like the right things will be treated well or the the the kind people will be treated well in general, um and the wrong things will be punished i hope this is true (ppl) in the most part of li~ uh world, mm no not published, punished mm (ppl) yah uh yah like w~ whenever i see things that is um the other way, um i kind of like have quite um impact on my values, so i feel the world is not right (ppl) if the uh the the the bad guys <unk> things mm probably no, i think more is uh about like the family, not some community family yah yah mm mm i think family, er yah i think my um family like my my uh initial family like my parents and my sister, so um from from this family i i think the fundamental value is still like being a good person is very important, and being kind to people, and i i can see it from my parents and my sister so uh that's the fundamental, and also love each other, treat each other well uh so uh that's also part of my fundamental belief and value my life in singapore mm uh i think uh probably no, that's all (ppl) since we don't have much time (ppl) uh no, but i i don't know a lot of singapore history so i guess uh maybe that's not correct, uh so the first part is uh singapore is like a village uh fishing village is it and then uh it becomes british colony or like the british colonisation uh and then um maybe afterwards some wars, it becomes independent um i guess that's what i know uh three maybe oh you mean the wars can be (ppl) because i don't know a lot mm okay like the first section is the village so um i think is uh singapore maybe it was a like a a port, and and there's um village with people uh live with fishing and then during the british colonisation, uh i don't know, the (ppl) british come to singapore (ppl) and and then uh and then uh maybe the world war two and like japanese uh came to like quite was quite rude (ppl) for singaporeans and a lot of um like killed a lot of singaporeans or like soldiers or people and then uh singapore become independent and uh thrive after that four maybe how many events i need to talk about okay mm (ppl) i i don't know, one key event maybe uh like is colonised by uh bri~ british um yah because that that may uh make singapore influenced by the western country a lot, and so that still have influence um nowadays um mm although like singapore is uh like is asian country, uh because of its colonisation uh history, it has a lot of like maybe influence from uh the western world, mm mm i i i i i think in general colonnisation is is uh not the good thing because it's kind of like invasion, um but um maybe there are also some good aspect um to some extent uh it can help singapore deve~ develop, um like bring some uh good things as well, mm why is significant for singapore um it it's just quite influential and the influence last long until today <unk> influence maybe people's value, or um yah like the cultural values mm no, that's the first key event say as a nation uh (ppl) i don't know what what what does <unk> british colonisation so mm then i know like uh because my my research has some aspect of uh cultural values, so because of like british colonisation, i know like uh from singapore history um there's one aspect of influence from the western countries so mm that may influence um people's values, cultural values em doesn't make a difference uh maybe i can say so one thing that i'm more familiar with uh or i i think it's quite important is um the covid uh period er so because i experienced that, and so that's quite also uh influence me, how i <unk> in singapore and uh so uh it happened maybe from the beginning of uh covid pandemic, and so the event uh were like um the restrictions singapore made throughout the three years period of uh period of time so uh at the beginning like, before people in the other um countries recognise covid um this pandemic uh s~ singapore already like uh took some actions in the custom or like airport so uh it's quite quick, and government um uh pay attention to this kind of things so and also at the beginning of covid, um they took some like uh protocol from uh like uh they developed after sars in two thousand three so i was quite impressed that um after sars they developed very detailed protocols and also uh build hospitals just for um this kind of pandemic, even though they don't know or even though they like this may not happen in a short period of time so i can see singapore government um treats these kind of things very seriously, and uh take care of people um in the country and also all the following um policies or actions were also quite uh impressiveive uh so i i won't talk about the details of the restrictions, but in general um i feel like uh the government uh learn from the science or although like uh in science uh people don't know about the virus very much, but i think uh the singapore government try to gather most cutting edge information from the scientist scientific perspective so that's very uh impressive as is especially for researchers (ppl) and uh also the second thing is that um they take care of people, and so uh because for the policies or the actions, it always have trade off, like is even um just put very strict limitation to uh isolate people, but uh the other we need to think about the other aspect, we want to have the people to live in normal life as much as possible so i think singapore government take care uh take like take count of that um also, so they make um reasonable decisions um in terms of the restrictions and also take very uh gradual orsmall changes along the way and based on the situations and also the information they know uh and also i was very impressed by the priministers speaks um every time, so i i that's the first time i feel oh it's quite informable to listen to uh a (ppl) leader's speech and uh i can understands and it's relevant to just normal people in the country, and it' also mm can have some like empathy, can feel like um the government think about people and understand people, take care of people, and uh i i can see how uh people trust um the governments and em yah, i think that's the general of the event, mm-hm what's the question again mm okay yah so at first i feel scared initially, um but after seeing all the actions, i feel um mm relaxed a little bit, because i think uh i i trust singapore government, um so i just (ppl) follow the rules, and then uh it should be okay and i feel uh uh later like maybe two years later, um i feel also uh proud of being in singapore, because i i think um it did a job during the difficult uh covid pandemic, uh the government and also the people um so it's uh it's because it's a challenging time, and uh it's especially singapore is small, and um a lot of the resources are also dependent on other countries, so it's particularly challenging for singapore and um so but singapore um was able to go through this and deal with it well, um uh it shows the the capability or the values of the um government um is trustworthy uh and also it shows the worlds um the the good thing (ppl) of the government uh i think singapore as a nation uh was praised by other like by people from other nations as a like uh exemplar who deal with covid well, uh in general well uh during the covid the three years of time mm uh yah i think uh make me feel closer to like uh more connected to singapore erm one thing is um i i think i can gather information from different countries, like my family was in china uh are in china, and i also have a lot of friends in the u_s, so i can see different policies or different uh strategies to handle the same thing uh so i think uh like uh the things that singapore government did was more close like is closer to what i think (ppl) it's right or i believe it's right so that make me feel um uh the values maybe aligned well with my values um so that's a country that i want to stay, um and i also want to raise my children in so in singapore, key events in singapore (ppl) i don't know uh <unk> uh i don't know maybe the the the world war world war (ppl) yah, um i don't know a lot of about that but um mm i know like uh at that time is quite bad the the war, and also um the the how to say the sacrifice or uh because a lot of people were killed or captured, um so it's uh i think it's uh maybe a low point of singapore, mm mm em i i i i show my empathy but i i don't have a (ppl) lot of feelings like it's quite it's a tragedy, um but i know it also happen to china to some extent uh so yah i i absolutely hate wars, so but it's a history and yah i couldn't do anything about that it's i think probably is very emotional to singapore singaporeans, um and there is a a a bad hit uh for singaporeans as well mm so it has like um mm a bad impact on singapore uh maybe different aspects, um so it takes time to um develop after that like maybe feel singapore is a small country (ppl), and so need to like um make itself strong (ppl) to to find against uh intruders mm didn't make a difference high points i i i guess maybe when it becomes independent mm yah so after long history of like um colonisation and also maybe before that it's a small village of malaysia, and it becomes independent um uh could be quite joyful uh i think the people i can have the empathy of people in singapore feel proud of that uh event or moment, feel like finally uh they become independent as a independent country so i i can maybe feel um also proud, but as a like empathy of the people in singapore, um mm like when i imagine the moment uh uh the people in singapore must feel proud, uh so i can have the empathy feel that like be also proud, but other than that i don't have a lot of feelings or thoughts being like independent is a (ppl) good thing, uh and also uh because of that uh we can see a good singapore now it can develop itself uh based on the values of the leader in this nation, so uh it can develop um to the nation today, um it's quite different from malaysia, and also um different from like the the the british colonisation as well mm i think the leader leaders were very important uh 李光耀, and p_t: mm i think the leader leaders were very important uh lee kuan yew, and and uh he has a lot of uh insights and also uh rules for the government um so they can serve for people in singapore, and also think about what to do uh for the better life of singapore it makes singapore become a nation (ppl) i learn although singapore is small but it can be strong maybe didn't make a big difference because it's the history mm yah i think we can go with the i think the world war uh can be the low point i think i said (ppl) most of things i know mm because um uh like japanese was quite rude uh for singapore people, and um so singapore people were hurt physically and mentally by the war mm no although like uh this is a low point and also it's um a a sas part of history in singapore, but uh i think uh for nowadays like i i don't see singaporeans um for example hate (ppl) japanese or uh like mm it's i think it's still quite uh peaceful for this uh to treat it as a history, and that's i think that's a good thing i i hope it's uh keep developing and um uh also gets stronger in the world, mm and also uh like al~ uh despite of the lack of resources, it can still (ppl) survive in the world next chapter uh i hope it can be strong enough to uh support the people in singapore, but also can um help people from like in other countries uh i think the greatest challenge is the re~ resources, um so because it's so small and mm a lot of resources are dependent on other countries, um so that makes um singapore more vulnerable how did this develop, um it just is the nature of the land (ppl) because uh like in the for example um it the the the island is small, and doesn't have um like a lot of rivers, so the water have to be imported from other country, and it also uh is small and cannot grow a lot of um agri~ like a lot of plants, uh vegetables (ppl) so mm and also i~ it has a lot of people, the population is large so not enough land for growing things, food i'm impressed like uh singapore is quite um prepared for this like during covid pandemic, people were wo~ worried about like (ppl) why they cannot get enough food or can cannot get enough like um groceries, but uh singapore like uh has a lot of how to say in uh stock, like a lot of food and water, uh just to prepare for some emergency use um yah so because of this lack of resources, um singapore need to like maintain good relationships with neighbours, so um need to take care of the relationships, um like it's more careful for the relationships mm okay i think singapore is developing well, and it's uh just keep going up um how does singapore view life uh uh i think singapore like um take uh like cares about uh each individual's life, and so uh try to treat people um equally, and to erm uh take care of people in different ethnicity and in different ethnic levels most important value uh be harmonious mm-hm yah so uh like just because there are different uh ethnicities in singapore, and uh i think singapore is quite um emphasised that people in different ethnicities need to get along harmoniously and even in schools, children like celebrate different uh holidays or festivals from different ethnicities and also in community um there there is the certain proportion of people, quota uh for the community um yah, so i think that's i'm quite impressed by this mm singapore's sense right or wrong i think it's similar to my sense of right or wrong, like uh if 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GCA32614_271123_1300_1.docx | yah (ppo) (ppo) i i'm so far okay (ppo) just uh i'm sorry uh so i i tell a story now is it uh before coming to singapore (ppo) okay okay i guess um life started out uh not in singapore and i am i've been in malaysia for a while, so um how would i i guess even in malaysia i didn't feel like i'm part of um the loc~ i don't even feel local because um all my life i've also been just doing through international schools yup so um there's no not it's not very easy for um kids like me to relate to others the yah uh like my neighbours and so on um and then um multiple times um throughout my uh childhood as well we keep my uh we uh we moved out of malaysia, back to malaysia, out of malaysia as well so then uh yah i i don't i didn't really feel that, i felt like a third culture kid in the first place uh yah so that's my life story and and that's how i felt uh i felt that um there was a lot of ostracism going on schools as well and um and there's uh there's just no way of relating to others that's like uh it's a it's actually a very lonely experience uh but i think it was quite a nice um childhood where there's a lot of um freedom and a lot of um yah i felt there's a lot a lot more freedom and there's a lot more um contentment in in my childhood, compared to now because life was much easier even if be it in malaysia, be it in um the overseas um postings where we were posted to, like hong kong or in the u_s it was a lot freedom, a lot more contentment um yah and then uh do you have any follow up questions um how would you suggest that i give a title like like yah maybe give me an example (ppo) uh can you still give me an example how many i actually don't watch netflix so maybe you can guide me along okay i guess erm i mean felt like uh there's no sense of permanency because uh we kept moving around as well um so um, in terms of childhood friends, like neighbours who can usually play around with right, um yah we i never really felt like uh we're part of the entire block you know that sort of thing like you can see other kids like sometimes they go out then there's a uh uh like by the streets they riding their tricycle then um another kid call the other kids over to the front porch it um they would never invite me over lah yah and i think um they also speak um different dialect like cantonese, i i don't speak cantonese yah so my that's for like language barrier um yah and then um the moving around also definitely help uh did not help because um you keep seeing new faces um every now and then, so it uh it gives a sense of of to me that i don't even think it's worth it to make friends in the first place because i know that within the next um how many more um years like one year later, two years later, i'm going to be moving out again yah (ppo) um so that was um throughout my until i was um thirteen, fourteen, uh that's when we we moved um uh over to singapore oh sorry i think i was fourteen uh twenty, twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, around there that's when i i actually came in to singapore um but before that we uh we just moved in and out um very often um especially to the u_s um for quite a significant period of time, and even when we were in the u_s right um, i felt like um the kids there also did not take us as um locals and i i guess they were more in uh they embraced us more compared to uh the kids and in uh like malaysia or even in singapore, because i think that um the the guys the kids in the u_s, they are more open minded and they are they are more acceptive to people of different um backgrounds, ethnicities and er yah they just very different back~ backgrounds and they're more acceptive um but i i think it especially in a small a small city in uh in malaysia, johor, or even in singapore, where it's like <unk> in local schools right there's um very con~ highly concentrated with er locals er i feel that especially to come to this er to this neighbourhood they are not acceptive if you don't speak their the same way that they speak um when i first came here yes um even in malaysia it's the same thing um they i feel that the they put up a front in front of you um, like they would speak in proper english in front of you but um like it's not colloquial you know that they they put up something in front of you, like uh some sort of a act maybe, i'm not sure but they are not hundred percent comfortable in front of you and i'm not sure if it's an inferiority thing um with them, or yah because back when i was younger because i went international schools, i live in u_s right, and um i i had born with the western accent back then but um so so the kids i think uh they kinda um put up walls um with me um but till till then i i realise that uh language is a very big and uniting factor um so i i try to pick up the local um dialects uh very much and um try to speak um like how every other other people uh person in here would have speak, like singlish all right even in when when you're in malaysia, manglish um, that that sort of thing, and then um especially uh speaking in your mother tongue um like if you mix like chinese and english together that that sort of thing yah um in singapore so that was um about like so i think uh no thirty, more than that, i think i came here for twenty four, twenty fourteen, so um i'm i was older actually, not thirteen fourteen so i was about uh fourteen, fifteen already yah yah yah yah so after that i i came to singapore and then um, i first went to an international school as well, so i think that that is assimulation assimulation part i think was okay but um then i transferred to a local school, so that i think the local school portion was a bit more um difficult to assimilate in though, because the the kids were also um not acceptive of the way that i um behaved or or the way that i spoke but um yah the way that i did things i guess erm i think academically erm it is also not easy to assimilate that quickly erm i definitely have to put in extra effort because um going from malaysian international school to build a hong kong west international schools and then coming to singapore they they they the school system is actually very different, um and singapore is way more vigorous so i i really didn't wanna be held back a year, so i i really put in so much effort into studying to to a point i think i had some anxiety breakdown ah yah so i was talking about my o's right so i i would i think uh the teachers were in like the local school were also very um frustrated with the way i did things lah i would say um because i i i don't think i could very well assimilate to the way of learning because um i think in international school it was very hands on and's very relaxed and um you didn't really have to follow up with lessons that uh that much and you you even though you don't follow up the lessons that much right, you you can still catch up but in singapore right, you miss one day of lesson right, that's it right, you will just gone case you know and um (ppl) so uh as someone i okay i'm personally right, as a child i'm very playful already so uh i think the teachers were very upset that i did not follow um follow his lessons and then i i was also failing a lot of my mathematics classes back then lah so i i was constantly failing mathematics because i i realised that singapore math math is actually very hard, but my english was always doing very well yah so i think the only thing i could do very well was my humanities and my english, but then my math was just like yeah failing so uh my math teacher, i remember there's this one time she came to my table and then um, i was sleeping in class i recall and then um i think she she bang on my table and then she was like, grace, i think you detest me that much that's um yah and i think that left quite a a significant imprint in me that she she she went to bang on my table and said that i detested her, but i think i was just very misunderstood it's not that i detested her or not, but i think i was just so far behind on the lesson already that i just could not i simply could not catch up wait ah (ppo) i think uh that's when um when i got nearly expelled from school um in junior college, so i i went to um catholic junior college right, and then um i think i just was so fed up with going to school that early in the morning, and um and then going there then you have to go to to uh like morning prayers i'm not sure if you've been to like um mission schools before, so then they they had this whole morning when they asked to do some sort of devotion or something like that then then i was like i i don't want to go so i i miss a couple of day of days of school, so this was after my o levels already then um i uh so before they gave me the the letter or that form to leave right i i just um filled in my own form and i left the school on my own accord and i think that was a very um scary period of my life, but i think that was also a a huge turning point um that, because all my life i thought that um if you wanna succeed in singapore, you have to go with the <unk> cannot um go against the <unk> so uh uh what to me is the <unk> the <unk> is going to a good ju~ junior college um, and then a graduating junior college, get into a a good course in university but um after that, of course i felt very depressed right um but i i was also thinking maybe there is a way that there's no one um formula to succeed in singapore lah uh yah so uh i i did the a levels as a private candidate, yah so um and i finished it within one year as well and um to my surprise actually i did did okay ah and i managed to get admission into a local university uh with a scholarship as well, so then i think that was a huge turning point that um contrary to pop~ popular belief right um singapore is still you can still succeed in singapore through many other ways other than just one route of doing well, like doing like going to a good school and then going to a good university i i feel that there's other ways of succeeding in singapore as well after this because on top of uh like because i don't go to school anymore right i did a lot of extra curriculars yah so i i delve in a lot of musical theatre <unk> as well so i think together with my results right, and my extracurriclers um i was uh able to gain admissions to the local u so i think from there i there was a light bulb moment and there's a more, i felt more accepted here yes yah i think that was a that was the first moment where i felt i i could succeed in singapore before that, i i thought i was an outcast um that there is that i because i'm against the <unk> that um i will surely fail anything in this country, you know that because um let's say if you're in the u_s where i before that's where where i was before i came to singapore, after like um malaysia um, hong kong, in the u_s i spent spent so much time in the u_s um and i saw how they did things it's not just academic excellence already, because there's or like going to a good school, that sort of thing um so i thought i could do that in singapore, but within the first one, two years, i i realised um that's not true but then again after i had this uh moment i realised that um it is true that i can actually do do such a thing and still be able to succeed like i don't have to go to a good school and um as long as i am i as i like i can just put in the work i'm able i will be able to succeed yah yah yah that's a the event i think um it's a blessing in disguise that i nearly got expelled lah (ppl) yah i think the education system is a bit cutthroat i think there's there's other ways to determine success, not just taking taking attendance, good grades and all that kind of thing you know yeah and i think i think the school should also be more um understanding towards um such situations, and i think the education system should cater to such situations as well not just my situation but also there's a lot of special needs uh students in the education system which can really um benefit from um such a arrangement like don't go to school, because sometimes like kids are autistic, they go to school and they get bullied there right, then it just uh turns them off from studying so i think if there's a home school initiative by m_o_e, that'll be great lah um more connected because i feel that at the end of the day, singapore still accepted me, despite my very unorthodox um route um of success i guess yah that's um in uni already, um i think uh let's talk about orientation camp first okay i think in terms of uh being accepted by the masses, i'm still definitely not accepted by the masses but at least i see that there is acceptance from the higher ups but back in but now my um what i want to discuss about is acceptance by the masses, so during orientation camp with the um orientation we went to um china actually, and so it's like a ice breaking thing and i realised that i could not for the life of me integrate with the larger group of uh friends or like my cohort mates there can hear me right oh i i said i could not integrate with my cohort mates at all so they they brought the entire cohort um like business school over to china so then uh i i realise i cannot integrate with the with the other uh freshies so they they actually um put me in the room with two other freshies, and i realised that my independent streak was uh very frowned upon, because everybody had to follow a very strict schedule and then i think deviated from the schedule and i like at night they were so afraid of uh venturing out of the um hotel room, like they were afraid of um getting robbed, car hitting um car knocking them down, and then i i'm just thinking like uh why why have such fears you know, like have you not lived abroad before like why but they were so afraid like everything outside of singapore is very foreign to them and very scary to them, so i was uh i personally just ventured out of the hotel by myself there was no rule saying that we cannot venture out of the hotel by my by ourselves but i think it it frustrated them because i think they were generally concerned about me, but it frustrated them that i just disappeared suddenly um so they sent a search party out to just like look for me for quite some time, um and then i think it frustrated them so at first then i think they were upset with me and also the um i i i did not conform to the way that they behave, the way they they spoke, and that that sort of thing so i think uh that was a very negative experience, just trying to mingle with uh others and that are supposed supposedly similar to me but i felt extremely alienated so instead of an ice breaking activity, i i i think the ice forms even more yah because it really highlighted the differences between myself and them and how um where we both operate on a very different operating system, and how is and really just how we saw the world i realised that um i think the hurt was very great that i cause after the <unk> victorious moment that i said oh yes i'm being accepted by the singaporean system right, and then i went to university and i i thought that yes i'm gonna be accepted um wholly and fully but i realised no i'm not accepted wholly and fully um and if i behave that way overseas uh and try to uh just venture out of my own and just, but that's normal to me right to them it's me trying to act smart, act brave, that sort of thing and just causing them the inconveniences yah so i i realised that um they they operate very differently, they have very different experiences to me and i i i think it's also on my part to try to understand them, and uh yah but i think back then i was just yah so i i didn't really understand them and then i had a lot of resentment, and i i didn't bother to try to explain myself, like why why i thought it was okay for us to venture out um by ourselves and it it's and i'm still gonna and i'm gonna come back as a full person that's not in multiple pieces you know, like that sort of thing yah i think singapore is just so safe and um very everyone's quite sheltered lah actually yah okay um so um in in a sense i would say it's i'm very thankful to be in a country that's so safe that nobody has to even bother about um your wallet being stolen, your phone being stolen, someone kidnapping you for your organs, or something like that you know or um when you go out and drive, you don't have to uh have tinted windows or um hide your belongings in your cars, be~ because you're afraid someone would break in the window and just rob your car that sort of thing that's that's very common in the u_s but yah so uh i uh you don't have to think twice in like singapore but um in overseas i i think i'm just so used to it's just like second nature to me um to just guard guard your belongings that sort of thing yah that i i think it's a a routine thing i i don't have to be too um ultra worried compared to my singaporean peers overseas but uh yah but at at the end of the day i i think i'm i'm very thankful that singapore is just so safe yah um i think this event alien~ alienated me from my peers quite quite a bit i i would say um and it showed me just the cultural differences, the everyday differences, so i think it just alienates more than they connected me think (ppo) um so the third event is when i decided to start my own business in the middle of university um i think everyone thought that i it was insane um especially my singaporean peers in university because it's very unheard of but in the u_s you can see a lot of like nineteen year olds starting their own companies um like if let's say if you uh attended um um berkley, stamford or um harvard um they have like a in in in the university there's a whole entrepreneurship programme for their students to start their own university, er start their own start ups so um i think when i started everyone thought i was also insane um and i felt and i, same sentiment, they thought i was trying to be overly um act smart, trying to act cool and i think uh many of them didn't want to be in the same project group as me because they thought that um i'm just gonna do some karang guni business you know what's karang guni right yah because i told them i'm gonna do upcycling of uh waste and then they they're like okay so my our dear group mate has suddenly decided to be a karang guni yah so uh yah they didn't really wanna be in the same group as me, and they thought that i was just a thumb down you know like uh she wants to be a karang guni after she graduate uh yah but i think uh that's that's only for the accountancy mods ah because i was already behind a little bit in in terms of account~ accounting, but in the uh social sciences mods like they uh they usually have this uh where everyone has to take social science even though you're an account~ accounting major right so they were still a partner with me because they realised that my language is quite good yah then so uh they they will still do that, but for the accounting mods at at first they were okay, because you were like okay you are a hundred percent um gonna be um doing uh your school work, you're not gonna be um interested or distracted by uh doing karang guni work but uh after that they were a bit more concerned so they decided not to um partner with me uh so i had a more difficulties trying to find groupmates, but uh i i i still found found some groupmates lah uh but i think uh what was the turning point or the saving grace in all of this was that um the university actually helped me to recognise my um startup as a work attachment internship so i did not have to do an intern outside, and i think this i was um the first case the university did yah uh because my startup was not entirely under the university, and they they recognised it so i i i still i i i felt that the higher ups actually still supported such um unorthodox ways of doing things, but it's just the masses where the sheltered, unexposed uh kids who er look down on me or shun me out of their life yah ⁇ okay i think uh it showed me that the singapore ecosystem supported unorthodoxness and they cannot like even as a very young startup founder, i went to speak with <unk>, i went to speak with the government agencies and they did not bat an eye or question my age, as long as i was able to to like show them what i was capable of, they did not bat an eye or although one m_p did ask told me at um one of the awards ceremony, oh why you look so young um but other than that i think i think i was still being received quite warmly by like the ministers, by um university officials er, administrators and i think the m_ps, when i went to the m_ps for help to to get certain licenses as well, they were very supportive of it and uh so i felt that even all these unorthodox things right even i'm due to my age, whether i'm being a student, i was still accepted by the higher ups yup i feel that there is a lot of acceptance from the top down, but i i feel that there is still need for acceptance from the bottom up yes yah i think it it make me feel more connected because i feel felt heard by a lot of the ministers and i and even like all these n_g_o, the c_e_os of n_g_os even would um invite me to their uh their functions and all all that sort of thing and recently um one of my uh partners, business part~ uh like um we we used to do all the partnerships with this organisation called free food for all, um his uh this founder actually passed away recently, can look it up on the news actually, he's quite a big speaker and singapore president's um challenge awardee or something like that yah and um i was quite touched that his their family actually invited me um to his funeral which was supposed to be a closed door family affair but they took me in as one of their family members, and i felt that i was accepted yah i think that was when i was awarded the uh national youth entrepreneurship award last year um top five in the country yah so i was um quite surprised, uh especially since it was an open category with everyone thirty five and under, and i was one of the younger younger uh participants, uh when when you write this inside right, i hope you don't say it's the the n_y_e_a award, er just write some entrepreneurship award, i think it will be good no no like when you write there, i i hope you don't identify it was the n_y_e_a award because um there were only that few many awardees so it was it's very easy to identify me yah eh yah just just write like entrepreneurship award it's okay lah like yah because it's very super easy to identify me otherwise um then i i so i guess that was a very high point for me because i would i felt that all these struggles that i've been through and was finally recognised by the country that i thought despised the way i did things, yah and my unorthodoxness can um i felt recognised that um i i felt recognised yah that whatever unorthodox ways i i have to been my life so far, it's accepted and it's being recognised and awarded it's just something about um singapore as a nation that we're starting to see or recognise and award people who have done things differently for the betterment of society yah and i think it's like like i said um top down recognition i i see a lot of these top down recognition but i don't see a lot of this bottom up recognition or acceptance yah peers level um nothing else um but there's a low point in this uh whole story as well um so the whole um ceremony right they allow us to uh invite your like school peers along they gave a couple of tickets but uh when i reached out to them, they all said they were not free yah ever~ everyone said that they are not free to attend my awards ceremony eh yah so i i technically can tell you that i have no friends in uni yah i have no friends in uni and i i think the the administrators i guess they also didn't see a point of going there to like entirely support the support me uh that that sort of thing but yah so i i i guess it was kind of low that that the bottom up the bottom of of my p~ of i would rather say my peers right, they they still don't recognise me for what i i'm doing i think they would still rather that i go work for the big in in a big four like um k_p_m_g, e_y_l, all those sort of the big four accounting terms rather than start a company but and try to impact society in this way oh um back then um and now i i honestly have the same feeling i i feel that um a lot of people um shut out um start up start up owners i guess or start up start up founders, because um they don't see like their results yet, and they also know me as someone who is very unorthodox and i guess they don't see results yet so they shut shut me out uh kinda sad uh but i think it's okay uh, i will just continue doing what i'm doing i i guess i also understand their point of view now or if i but then cause i reflect really hard on it lah i i guess like i i do understand their point of view cause they are not um exposed to uh uni students starting a start up yah they are more it's i would see that if you're in berkley or in stamford, a lot of people are doing that so i have a lot of my friends who are in berkley right now, and they just start a um tech company and everyone is just um rooting for them but i i don't see a lot of that in singapore yah i realised that no matter how hard i work, the masses will still never really fully support me until i get, i think i become a millionaire i have no idea yah yah they they they're just running after money not life fulfilment sure um so i was saying i think um singaporeans should or at at least i would say that the uni grads are really um <unk> pursuit of material um material gratification i would say is higher than life fulfilment so when they see that i do things differently again, i i guess that's why they shut me off yah like they they think i'm <unk> um no (ppo) i guess, i guess it would be using this um social enterprise to benefit others in singapore, not only in singapore but also um overseas as well yah and it just i i i i just feel that i wanna impact the lives of others, that's my hope for the future and then and my start up to <unk> oh um in terms of acceptance or in terms of like general i feel i i i wished that i i had more opportunities, and i i wish that i was more accepted as well that's <unk> because i feel that a lot of opportunities are being brought away from me because of the way i do things and not and hence i'm not being accepted by a lot of uh like peers that's why i wish that i i'm more accepted but i i understand lor, they they're just not open by that to the way i do things, cause i feel like i i do have a lot to offer but it's just that i'm not given the opportunity to fully show them what i can offer just because of my very unorthodox ways of doing things yah yah so that's one ah number two i guess um i i wanna see the start up flourish yah that that's two, i mean right now (ppo) (ppo) what's the worst problems i've ever faced yah i guess interacting with others i think i'm not sure if it's a trauma thing or what, but i i feel it's really hard for me to connect with others, to the point that sometimes like i create the whole awkward situation in my head even before i uh meet others, especially if they are younger like at my age so um i i really try to avoid uh interacting with peers of my around my age group, and i prefer to interact with um others who are much older, like even ten years older than me and because i feel that they're more exposed, they're more acceptive of uh yah of people like myself yah so i would say that my entire friend group is in their thirties or their forties yah like um i don't have any friends who are like at my age group right now, like i usually see on instagram, my uni friends are going out for k barbeque but they will never invite me i i i think that's okay so um yah i think that was one of the toughest uh problems i i have and i'm still experiencing and i i wish that i it's it's easier to interact with peers my age or younger i think it's uh from all the ostracism in the local schools, so i have this whole situation set up my head at even before i go into a situation right i i'm just thinking that yah it's definitely gonna end end up bad, like they're not gonna like me yah so uh even till this day uh a trauma that has happened like like since nine years ago right it's still affecting me till today but i i can't really, i try to avoid situations or even talking to peer like my age so i wouldn't even go to club because a clubs are mostly filled with people in their twenties right so i i don't even go to clubs and and i feel that i feel i kinda missed out on a portion of my um twenties but i think that's something i'm okay to forego but i'm just wondering if there's any harmful implications that i do not go through the normal route that most guys in their twenties would go through i entirely avoid um mixing with peers my age and i and most of my friends are honestly in their thirties to forties yah i guess it really um <unk> the experience i had being a third culture kid and being ostracised with like peers my own age yah i i think that's the significance of that and growing up like in the future i think it's this experience of being a t_c_k right, and it's still gonna continue down the same path i don't see it changing <unk> yah i don't see its changing, unless i i reach the age of thirty and everyone starts to suddenly be open minded yah the third culture kid are you familiar with that term yah (ppo) i think here is, it's a positive outlook because i feel that there is more to, there's the world than just being like the story the sad stories i've shared so far, that there's there's more to it i i think so i get that the the whole situation i get a lot better at uh the the more i grow grow up i guess <s> that's the right term right, like after i pass the threshold thirty, it's gonna be a lot better i feel so i i i think positive outlook (ppo) acceptance, i feel that i'm <unk> a lot more acceptive of others, they can be a entire uh failure in life, i'm still gonna be accept~ acceptance of them for who they are i will try to change and try to improve their situation but i will not ostracise or shut them out entirely i see a lot of my peers <unk> shun guys who are like crazy or even like let's say there was this one time i did a trip with uh one of my singaporean friends who uh is was a bit older um we were just walking down the street of san francisco she saw uh a beggar begging for um some some change right, she got so scared and she just said um ew let's walk away and i said what do you mean ew you know like these guys are also human and i think we should be more acceptive of of them, and i'm trying to help them to change their situation, maybe uh buy them a lunch or something you know, not like ew then they walk away so i feel i i i feel that uh it has really changed me to be someone more acceptive of others (ppo) (ppo) ah i think i'll address wrong first okay so anything that is wrong with me, harming others, yah so that is wrong to me um even some~ something as um not inviting someone out for lunch because you feel that you can't really vibe with that person and you just constantly ostracise them, that sort of thing i i feel that that's wrong yah so anything that harms others is wrong uh none so far yah none so far that i can think of yes so i was talking about um my friends who are at their thirties or fourties right, so most of them i met through playing um sports yah but most of them are also expats yah so um sorry go ahead first oh and i felt like i uh they are more acceptive with who i am than locals the way i do things right okay so i i think one of the most stark differences is that when you enter uh an a elevator right, do you help to smile at someone and tell them good morning i think most singaporeans would not but i think as for me i i would actually say hi, good morning that sort of thing, or right even at a cafe if um someone wants to share a seat, i would say yah go ahead, share a seat but most singaporeans will just look down, go inside lift look down, that that sort of thing, so i i and a lot of my friends would also ask me why get bothered about us yah so sorry yah i backtrack a bit i backtrack a bit yah um so that that's something i i i see there's a stark difference but anyway sorry what was your question again friend group right yah so yah so so that that that that portion that i spoke of right is also one of their openness to others i think they are very open to others and they also shared the same um troubles they have, they felt that they cannot really integrate in the singaporean society and everyone in singapore is very cliqueish everyone has their own friends groups since they were young <unk>, in secondary school, in their junior college, university days, they are only in their own cliques and they prefer to like if they were out at the at work, they prefer to um go out together and speak their own local dialect, and they will not try to integrate uh uh integrate you into their conversation because they feel it's more convenient for them yah yah so so um they also expressed that um because uh as expats they also move around quite a bit they said it's easier in the uh places such as saigon, like ho-chi-minh-city to um integrate with the locals there, like the locals there are open, friendlier and they would come and approach you in the bars as well, not to scam you by the way, to actually just to understand you as a person that sort of thing yah but it's less likely that someone in in singapore would approach you at a bar or at a club especially if you're not like them not not not that i can think of, i think that's about it (ppo) yah i think um i'll start with um pre colonial singapore okay i s~ so i i can know all this because i'm a i used to be a tour guide actually ya so during my during my schooling days i used to be a tour guide i had to make extra money so i actually go and memorise everything about singapore, so um i think pre colonial days i would say um sang nila utama, who saw a lion and he named the singa~ city singapura yah i i'm not sure the exact date but i think um fourteen hundreds i think there were settlers in singapore even during the fourteen hundreds and then um that was the story of singapore in these pre colonial times, and i think uh let's talk about the fishing villages as well so i think um they call it um the orang laut and johor they call it orang asli um so that those are the local inhabitants, they were mostly sea <unk> uh people and they were fishmongers um sorry they can catch fish for a living basically uh yah um they they live along the shore uh maybe along east coast, not entirely sure and uh they live in uh stilt houses and they were mostly um from the malay artipelago um what else do i recall (ppo) i think um there was a ruler in singapore but i think it was mostly ruled from java, so it was a javanese kingdom back then and it was and singapore was more of a satellite state yah um it's like like it's like a colony of the ja~ javanese kingdom and then i see that it that singapore has always been like a colony, it's never been really independent until independence right yah so anyway so it it's always been the colony in my head and and then after that um this is pre colonial singapore now we move on to colonial singapore and that started in eighteen nineteen uh where sir stamford raffles came to singapore and find a treaty with the tunku abdul rahman i think yah er and then he decided to start like make this into a port, and i i know that stamford raffles is from the east india company he's he he's british so singapore became a british colony and uh we became a port and then it was a free port and like goods and merchants are free to come to singapore to trade they establish a port at um boat-quay the along the quay, the singapore river oh wait speaking of the singapore river, let me go back to the pre colonial times again, there's a singapore stone where they the guy um um ate the vomit no the the the singapore stone yes there's a singapore stone right then um there's some inscriptions, there's something like ten commandments i think, and then um i think they wanted to lift the the boulder out of the singapore river because it was blocking the water i'm not sure uh yah so he ate the vomit and then he suddenly had superpowers no he ate the the the the monster's vomit and then he start started to have superhuman strength and then he he could lift the boulder out of the the river mouth, and i think it broke into couple of pieces and yah and that's the singapore stone story kay anyway back to the colonial time, um he established the shipping port and for the asean region uh to facilitate trade between china and india er i think it was quite a prosperous port um it it really attracted many um settlers from um the java region, the bugis, the javanese, um the chinese, the uh malays from the malaysian archipelago um, the eurasians, and the the europeans which inter marry and become eurasians um i think colonial times was also when um the peranakan culture really blossomed where we can see at joo-chiat right now erm colonial times, okay i think that's that's it for colonial times that i can recall i'm like reciting off a textbook (ppl) um so first colonial um no let's go to world war two, nineteen um fifteenth of february, nineteen forty three um that was um the fall of singapore to the japanese yah i recall fifteen seven um and then um i think there were a lot of local sentiments that said that the british did not really, because it was not their homeland right, they didn't really protect it that that well, so they they were just very nonchalant about giving up singapore to the japanese and i al~ i also felt that um their warfare strategy was also incorrect because they positioned their guns wrongly it it was all position positioned in sentosa uh which uh during the uh during world war two became a um site for killing that's why they called the entire island pulau belakang mati yah and they called the island sentosa pulau belakang mati island of the dead i think yah so uh uh they it became a laughing stock basically that the japanese came via the um malay archipelago through johor through johor and they even came on bicycles and they use um sentosa as the the place where it was so fortified right, into a place where the locals actually died so it it's that kind of irony you know to me that it became a whole laughing stock um yah i'm not not sure how else do i explain this but if i because i'm also i i used to read a lot of literature, so i i i've thought that it was just a huge slap in um singapore's face that it must really that a a fortress became a site where everyone died yah um also during the war period when the japanese were in singapore, i think they also massacred many chinese males um there there was this whole operation called the switching, not sure if i'm saying it correctly, uh where they massacred the chinese males and and singapore um because they felt that they were um a threat to erm the japanese soldiers (ppo) erm yah i think many people lived underground back then, like they they built their own underground bunkers um many people ate tapioca and cassava as a sustenance er and i think it's not only singapore that like relied on cassava and um tapioca on sustenance i think the entire malaysia was also doing the same thing um yah so i guess i heard a lot of these stories uh from not only singaporeans but also malaysians that they relied on <unk> food source to sustain themselves what else ah oh yeah there is this a war hero, i think elizabeth choy not sure if her name uh she used to be a school principal but i think she was brutally um tortured by the japanese because she didn't want to give up certain information wow uh what else and i i think she was deemed a war hero because she held on all the way till the end um and she did not divulge any sensitive information to the japanese and that <unk> saved the <unk> lives <unk> multiple hundreds of thousands of lives were saved because she she decided to hold on and not um divulge information even though she could have had a better life if she just divulged that information the you yah uh then i would go to um a post war uh where nineteen forty five maybe august sixth or something, there was the atomic bomb drop um, there was a surrender they surrendered uh singapore back to the british um and then uh singapore tried uh wanted independence so they said let's <unk> malaysia and then the malaya back then then that's w~ how malaysia came about and then um the founding foun~ the founder i guess the prime minister back then, lee kuan yew, um he didn't agree with the way that malaysia was doing things um and i and i think he wanted more acceptance to the different ethnicities, different backgrounds, languages, religions that are present in singapore, but malaysia didn't really want that so i think that that caused a lot of racial tensions, a lot of riots, like the maria hertogh riot uh back then as well uh a lot of racial riots, racial unhappiness between the different racial groups and i i would point out the maria hertogh riots is one of the turning points um that's why um malaysia decided to uh kick singapore out of the malayan federation malay federation um then um that's how singapore gained independence then we went we're now in the period of um post independent singapore uh i think um what lee kuan yew the then prime minister did was very uh admirable in, he really reformed a lot of things and the ways that were being previously done but i think firstly he tried to solve the housing issue, because he he knew that there's going to be <unk> population in singapore, so he decided to build a lot of housing development board flats um he also decided to form um jurong island so that singapore had their own industries he reformed um the educational system to ensure that all race, religion um and backgrounds um had equal access to education, which is very admirable uh through what he did um let's see he also invited um he also reformed the military um i think he invited israel to reform the military in singapore uh so the israeli army uh <unk> just continue the recording um so um i think that's post war sing~, post independence singapore and then i'm gonna go into the next uh phase which is in the uh where singapore actually started pros~ prospering um i think that was uh when he started um inviting more foreign direct investments him actually doing um direct investments in other countries um i think that was that i think you can say that was nineteen eighties onwards that's when um singapore prospered, properly i would say uh i guess that that's that's when um singaporeans actually saw a better standard of life, um they started to have more modern um amenities uh they started, instead of working in factories, they started working in um offices that because that's after the first generation of um school uh first generation start started <unk> school and they became more educated so they can start working in the offices yah so like there's a lot more for~ for~ foreign direct investments more um m_n_cs um setting up uh branches in singapore yah so i think that's that's all my uh different chapters of uh singapore for you i recall from from the script that i was given (ppo) oh i think the first key event was when the um the rulers of singapore back then, the sultan of singapore actually just gave up control of the island to um the british just for a sum of money, and i felt that if they had a stronger military um, a greater reserve, they could have held onto singapore for longer um but of course then singapore would not be a prosperous port, but i i think the rulers back then could also have established singapore as a prosperous port by themselves, if they had the foresight, the knowledge, and the resources to do so so i guess um in part i would say that monarchy makes governance of nation too comfortable to the point that they do not want to, you know improve their situation, until someone comes along and said i will buy buy you out, and just to ensure the comfort and safety of your descendents okay so i think that's one uh poignant point that i would say that um should never happen again to a uh independent country it shows that um government should never be too comfortable at the top, that um it should never be a case of um the elites gaining power among themselves, and they become so comfortable that they don't even bother to self improve yah back then or now i think back then it really shows that singapore <unk>, there is no strength in the military, there's no strength or resolve in the people at all i have no feelings towards that uh so i will say neutral um next key event was when singapore just relinquished uh control of singa~ uh when the british reli~ relinquiished control of singapore to the japanese just like that it really showed me that we should never um um rely on others for singapore security we should always as an independent country, always have your own military, always have your own uh economy, resources, don't rely on others for your economy, don't rely on others for your resources, never be allowed to be brought up like that because uh those those people who bought you up can also be as easily just give you up and i think that that not only applies to singapore but also it applies to governing a nation, not only just singapore, many other countries, which is the governance of the nation i mean that's a very important point that i should, that anyone or public officers should always understand that mercenaries all that, don't rely on them too much i think that was the backbone of why the natio~ the national service was started i believe and i think it gives a sense of what singapore is actual~, they oh like let's say a young man is being enlisted in national service, it really gives them a purpose of what they are training for, what they are preparing for i think they made a mistake previously and i think uh singaporeans learn from their mistakes (ppo) yah at least uh not not singaporeans learn from their mistakes i think a lot of people still don't want do n_s but i think the the leaders are smart enough to learn from these things i think um more connected to singapore because um i also believe in learning from your mistakes i also believe in learning from mistakes wow back then i would say in history of singapore or what i guess you can take the merdeka thing is um the third event um i would say that it's a good learning point that you cannot always, the same thing you cannot rely on others for your security because um you can be kicked out at any point yah i think it jolted the leaders of singapore um jolted them awake, i guess that um we should not eh jolted jolted them awake that is yah that they should never be part of another country a a colony of another country, state of another country that um singapore is just far too culturally different from any other countries in the asean region or the colonisers yah so i think that was like a nail on the coffin that this singapore it's just uh fundamentally far too different and we cannot never be ruled by anyone else i think it says more about the resolve of the, actually okay there's something that says about singapore as a nation, that we are far too diverse, um to be um similar to or be ruled with the same style as the other nations in asean, and i'm and i'm speaking from a very um political like public policy standpoint if in malaysia, you wanna tell the populus that you um that bahasa melayu was the defecto language right i think it will still be largely accepted because there is a majority um malay population there asean also um indonesia, um language being bahasa indonesia um yes it's also gonna be accepted because majority they are just um indonesian, malay indonesian, like myanmar uh largely burmese uh so but in singapore we cannot um say tell everyone that, okay the language we're gonna be used using is uh malay, we have to use a more uh common language such as english yah so because at the, the problem is that we have quite a diverse um makeup in singapore compared to the other countries in the region, although i do recognise that there are different races in in uh malaysia yeah but i think the the strong majority is still um the malays, that's why they are able to hold power in in terms of public policy but in singapore i think um seventy percent uh is chinese and thirty percent, is which still is a huge population is still like uh um malays, indian, and all the other um minorities, so we cannot um, jeopardise their um opportunities by saying that maybe um chinese is the main language in singapore yah so i think in in terms of that um governance has to be very very different yah more connected because i understand that the leaders of singapore are more open minded and acceptive of others from different backgrounds (ppo) (ppo) (ppo) joyous uh the most joyous occasion to date i think the the the best thing that happened is were was actually separation from malaysia because i i think, although i would say that um joining malaysia was a necessary move in order for the british crown to give singapore autonomy, but um i think um it was just a temporary step and i i felt that um singapore being separated is still the the best way to govern singapore because the diff~ difference in uh ethnic makeup it's um concerning <unk> if you know governed the same way as um malaysia is being governed right now um so i think that is the uh high point that there is um that singapore gained independence after being part of something or someone else for so long yah and i think it's also for the better of the people um in in terms of uh public policy, i think it's the the right way to go because um like i mentioned in in my previous um answer, um there is no other way to govern singapore, like you can't govern singapore the way that malaysia malaysia is governing malaysia right now, uh um indonesia is governing indonesia right now so i think it it's the best way to govern singapore is to have a separate government altogether i think uh it says something about the leaders once again, like um that they were brave enough to take that risk and i think the people were just following what the leaders would say back then i i think many were uneducated and they were just voting with what they felt was who who were the the popular, they go by popular vote right like yah i i think they actually listen to the policies but i think they went with their gut feeling and stuff like that likely so i guess so i i i guess it says more about the leaders, the founding fathers of <unk> modern singapore than the people i think more connected because um as a risk taker i guess, i really tip my hat off to the founding fathers of singapore to be able to to take that risk it's a huge risk but i think they they managed to take it in stride and made it hap~ make it made it work actually yah they took the unorthodox route just like i did okay yah um i think the lowest point in history of singapore was still the japanese occupation, and i think that um it was a low point because many people suffered, many locals suffered um i feel that singapore should not be given to others to govern if this was <unk> lee kuan yew was governing singapore then, and built an entirely entire military, i i think such things will not have happened and the people of singapore would not suffer during the during world war two i think because we we had no defence at all that's why we just they can just come here and rummage singapore and just <unk> whatever they wanted and it's not just singapore right, it's the entire region as well that's what they had they just have no power, the british the uh the portugese were just controlling everything and because it's not their home then, they just gave everything up i guess the nation was weak back then yah less connected because uh they did not have the foresight and i i i don't like the lack of um, i i guess they didn't, there's two sides right like as a public policy as a whole, the whole country was ill prepared for it but as a individual level um, i guess there are there are many war heroes that stood out in the in terms of their bravery, in terms of taking the route less travelled in order to ensure the safety of their fellow peers, their families, friends and the others in the in the same situation as them so um did it uh make me more connected i i say um i resonate with the war heroes and i feel more connected with the war heroes and i really commend their bravey, but on the other hand i say the lack of planning was um uh make me less connected mm no (ppo) not bad um there is still a space to be more accommodative with others like myself, or even okay so whe~ where i'm coming from is that a lot of my friends who are expats who live in singapore for longer than i am, some of them have been here for twenty years and they can still not get a p_r and you wonder why and um a lot of that is because of there's a there is a quota of singapore needing to be a majority chinese nation yah, but i i'm just wondering if there can be more openness for singapore to not just be a majority chinese nation, maybe singapore can also be a eurasian country like, just let some eurasians in um indians, um burmese yah singapore is an immigrant country, i think they should stop trying to say things like oh this person is like true singaporean no one is a true singaporean, unless you're an orang laut yah so i think i i just yah like just like in america right, nobody you cannot say that you're true blue american unless you're you're a native american and you've been there as a from the tribes of the navajo tribe or something like that so if if someone ask, are you a true blue singaporean i'm gonna be like uh you know singapore is an immigrant society <c> so no one is surely a true blue singaporean unless you come and tell me you're descended orang laut, which how many percent is in singapore right are descended from orang laut, a small minority so i i just hope that the that the not just the government but also the my peers are able to see that, accept that (ppo) more acceptance um frankly at least like now because now i'm already converted right, but <unk> my expat friends they wanna stay in singapore so badly uh they have contributed a lot to singapore in terms of taxes, in terms of many other things right so maybe that allows them to gain um permanent residency in singapore easi~ more easily and it it shouldn't be just a quota on in terms of race it should never be in terms of race, religion, all that sort of thing or your marital status, but it's more of like, how much have we contributed in singapore and and in singaporean society i think singaporeans are quite uh stubborn in a sense yah so i think um from my understanding of history and history classes um there were a lot of friction when it came to trying to move the population out of their <unk> uh into like a modern housing so there was a lot of uh pushback, a lot of unhappiness, so i think that was one one of the greatest difficulties that the government back then had to face and to and not just the the housing issue but the transitioning singapore from a uh third world country to a first world country i think the the older generation still cannot accept that and they are still sour and salty about that just the other day i was in in the train, there was this one guy saying um singapore is so expensive um and if he was a citizen of another country, even the poorest of the poor would have a wife, a car, and a house or not not a car like a transport like i i guess that that's what he meant and that's just simply not possible in a first world country so uh and this guy is a senior citizen so i i think there's a lot of stubbornness and well just not understanding that this is what it is to be in a first world nation how did this problem developed i think for many years uh, thousands of centuries, the settlers that came to singapore, they were from a, they they lived in a village environment so i think they're just used to it, to the lower prices, cost of living and and hard to, it's hard for people to change i guess and, not just singapore i guess it's just human nature wait education of the next generation so um i i think they they just wanna i think the the government is just i think they they have given up on the senior hi so sorry once again um so um sorry where was i yah so i think there's um0 citizenship education (um, social studies eh um so i think that's how they're slowly trying to um get the younger generation to learn from the past and try to correct the mistakes of the past i think it it tells us to be more adaptable um like we cannot just be contented with your uh with what you have right now, but always try to strive uh for something better in the future yah singaporeans overall outlook on life is it um <unk> uh there's a the couple of perspective i think most singaporeans view life as something as um just to keep keep alive it's not about enjoyment but it's about like um staying alive um very procedural yah um i have to study well, do well in school um get a good job, um work until i die, that sort of thing very procedural um, i think rarely do they ever ask them themselves about the meaning of life about uh what is fulfilment uh what is happiness i think they just um go through the emotions of life, and then they die (ppl) that's my my feeling um it's not about like, and probably they just take one trip a year um overseas uh that that sort of thing yah it's not they they 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SAN94799_140523_1400_3051.docx | uh santhya is mm can sure my life story as in like (ppl) for example like uh my life going up then, in the middle, something like that is it uh hang on ah, wait ah okay sorry, can you repeat yourself again okay (ppl) okay i think i'll just start with like, maybe, my life as a kid first yah so, i mean when i was young, so i have one elder sibling, two of us then with my mum and my dad yah so i grew up very close with my cousins, we all used to live in the same block, and we all went to the same primary school, the same kindergarten, yah so we grow as a very close knit family, always remember being with my cousins, always having my family around yah and, i mean kindergarten we are all very clo~ wait ah i'm not sure why my phone keeps disconnecting from my airpods (ppl) can you hear me now okay can so uh i'll continue so yah, so we went on to primary school and then, i mean primary school is where the change came right, you are all in different classes, you don't have your cousins around anymore i remember having a bit of a hard time in primary school, i mean in primary one i was still fine, then in primary two i had a bit of adjustment issues, not very sure why (ppl), then i started to act up a little bit i really wanted my mum around, i started crying to go to school every day yah, so it was a bit of a difficult time i remember my mum took a no pay leave for one year to take care of me and be with me, and yah, yah i think it was also something i really wanted, i remember as a young child i always wanted my mum around like to be at home, i mean it was not really possible, because i mean she had to work, but because i was acting up in primary school, like when i was in primary two, then she managed to get a one year no pay leave and yah, it was a good time i was able to cope much better in school i remember performing, very well in my grades that year yah and after that, i mean the coping issues were kind of settled down after primary two and then she went back to work and i was okay i went to school and everything, and then uh when i was in about primary, i think primary four or primary five, that's when my parents uh went through a separation yah they were going to get divorced so then, that one was also a hard time i remember my mum, talking to us at such a young age to explain to us like know what a divorce means, uh what it means in the future like not being able to see my dad i will not live with him, and all that so that divorce didn't happen like immediately so my parents separated first so during that time i couldn't live in my own house so i had to live with my um uncle and my auntie in their house yah they took us in so uh me and my cousins all stayed together i mean it was good in that sense but i mean my uh, it was hard in the sense that no i wasn't living my dad and my dad was giving us a lot of issues at that time because, we didn't want to go through a divorce so, that was a bit of a hard time and then uh slowly came p_s_l_e and then uh i mean i was always a child who was a bit playful, so i didn't really take (ppl) education very seriously so i just studied however much i wanted <unk> perform really well in p_s_l_e exam, yah but i could still get into express stream so i just went to a neighbourhood school and then went to the express stream and i was like okay can, i'm fine with that, though when i received my results, i'll be a bit disappointed but i was a bit like, chill so i was like okay never mind (ppl) yah, so that's kind of like the childhood story yah so by the time we were, primary six the divorce was finalised already, so when we started secondary school the divorce was finalised, i was under the custody of my mum which is what we wanted, and then we managed to shift back to our own house yah so that's the, childhood phase i think childhood okay so i guess next part would be more of like my teenage years, like being in like secondary school and then going on to j_c some secondary school was okay, i mean i'm usually quite a, i naturally have uh issues with like when there's change, so, i mean sec one i mean i was very nervous to go to school and stuff like cause i, i'm the, i, i don't really like change so like when you put me in a new school, i always struggle at the start, so i had the same struggle but it was not that bad so i had a same primary school friend who went to the, was in the same class as me in secondary school, so that helped a little bit so i mean secondary school was mostly okay, and i think it was just like, normal teenage things, like you know things that happened with friends and stuff, but i was mostly okay ah i mean i was, i was uh sorry ah finsihed school, okay never mind, so i was doing okay in school, i mean in terms of academics and stuff wise then it just became a bit more stressful in like sec three and sec four where you had like you know streaming and you need to choose the different subjects that you want and then o-level comes yah, i remember at that time i need, i needed to like take life a bit more seriously because i mean, i was not that young anymore, but i mean i was still a bit like, though i knew but i wasn't (ppl) someone who, i needed a lot of pushing from my family like you know, to like focus on school and make sure i study well yah i mean i thought i tried my best (ppl) like o level and then uh i mean i did okay, not what i expected but, uh yah i mean, i kind of struggle in science so, i wasn't really expecting much like very good grades for it so i remember on my results day, i was abit disappointed and my mum didn't follow me on that day (ppl), then i remember calling her and crying to her on the phone, like you know, that i didn't do very well, and then she came to school to fetch me back home and then my mum was always quite okay, i mean though she might be a bit upset at the start but she was always to tell me that it's okay i mean i tried my best, it's fine, we'll just look, like you know, see what we can do like the next step yah, and before i knew it secondary school was already over (ppl) yah so and then um i was initially deciding uh if i should, i mean i wanted to go to a j_c but, i felt that two years might be a bit too, like stressful, like to study for o, a-levels, yah so then i found out that's, there's this thing called m_i like millennia institute, where they offer a_levels, but in three years so actually my mum told me that you know, in that case if i want to study for three years, you know why not i go to poly instead, but i didn't really know like what course i wanted to do or you know what i wanna work as so i decided to just go for m_i instead at least i'll, i can study at a slower pace so my mum left the decision up to me, so i decided apply for m_i and then i got in yah, so i studied for three years in m_i and then i did my a-levels there yah ah section two, yah, so that's what i'd consider my teenage years okay so then i guess we'll go into like young adult life so in m_i, i mean things were very different, i mean uh you know the structure of school in j_c and stuff is a lot more different from um secondary school right secondary school your teacher is like always there and classes are taught very differently, so in m_i it was more of like tutorials and then i'm having lectures, so it's very different but i remember having a, very good time when i was in m_i like i had uh close friends, and i was in a c_c_a i really liked, so actually i felt that, that was the best time of my schooling years yah, i really enjoyed school and i look forward to going to school i felt like i was doing okay, and yah i mean but once again the whole not taking education very seriously (ppl) but you know, enjoying every other thing was a, was a bit of a issue i remember my sister kept telling me like you know i cannot be so relaxed, especially because in m_i we don't do a-level that fast you only do it in year three, so i think a lot of people tend to like you know, not study very hard at the start but then you kinda realise that it affects you later on like cause you have studied extra, like even harder to like catch up with whatever you missed yah so uh, yah so i mean uh initially we only do um two, we do our h_one and our mother tongue in like the earlier years and we do the rest of our a-levels in year three, so i felt that that was kind of good i actually scored pretty well for that, two exams because like there was only two things like to concentrate on so it only got really stressful at the end when you know where a-levels was nearing and i realised that you know after this like i can't really slack off i mean it's like after this i have to really go to uni and choose like you know what career i wanna do so i started to take things a bit more seriously, try to study hard, and yah, i completed my a-levels i remember my biggest worry was my science cause i'm not very good at science, so i was like i, i hope i at least pass (ppl), i'll get better than a pass, if not i know it'll be hard getting into any uni course yah so i, yah it was mostly okay, i had good friends, i had a good time in school, i finished my a-level and then after that while waiting for my a-level result, i did like my first part time job my mum was like you should go and do something, work or something, cause i was just at home or like going out yah, so i did like my first part time job as an n_t_u_c cashier (ppl), yah, and then it was like very weird because i've never worked before and yah and then uh i only worked for a short period of time yah during the chinese new year period and then they paid pretty well because they needed staff and then once i over, i got my a-level results, it was mostly okay except for my science (ppl) i remember my mum and my sister followed me and then i was very disappointed with my science result and then, that's when the very serious part came of like you know what i want to work as in the future so what am i gonna study in uni and all that yah so uh after much discussion, i mean i always wanted to work in healthcare so yah, so i was, i'm considering a few jobs like you know, being a like either adult health like you know being a physio or not if being a nurse and all that so i was very confused actually, i was quite interested in physiotherapy at that time so but i've never like you know done job shadowing and anything so i actually went for job shadowing and all that after getting my a-level results to like kind of get an idea of you know, what i want to work as, i remember a job sharing, both physio and nurses and kind of like that's when it kinda gave me you know a good idea of what their job already then i found physio very boring cause i felt that, i don't know, i didn't really find like i couldn't really relate to it, i didn't find it interesting and kind of, after i decided i wanna do nursing so i applied for n_u_s nursing and then i got into it yah i think it's kind of like the young adult life ah (ppl) thank you mm i think i can lastly finish off with like uni and then starting work i don't really know what to, yah maybe like going into adulthood yah so uh uni was another, another phase i had to adapt, i mean uni life is very very different, i mean i already mentioned like i have adapting issues, like you know when there's change, like i get all nervous, i mean yah, and then i was scared like i had no friends, i mean eventually of course i made friends like in the course and stuff but i really had to learn to be independent because in uni like you know, there are diff~, certain modules that you have to take to meet the credits for that semester so i had to like, i cannot depend on like oh i need some friends in that course, i just had to do it, like go for classes myself like elective modules and stuff, so that's something like really took a lot of courage for me to do like cause i'm quite introverted and stuff, yah so i found that i matured quite a lot in uni, like i wasn't as shy anymore, i was able to do things by myself, i was able to join like different programmes like you know those additional like, co curricular like programmes like yah that they offer in school, like in medical school, so i was able to join all those like independently so i quite proud of myself and i think in uni it's when i really took education quite seriously , like it was the first time that i really really wanted to score well for myself, so i actually yah studied pretty hard and my g_p_a like throughout all three years was actually doing quite well so i was like quite proud of myself, i was like you know, i felt that i was finally achieving something and then uh as we went into like and so in nursing we used to do a lot of clinical attachments so we go to the hospitals and stuff so, i really found that i quite enjoyed the job so i felt that i chose the, i mean i chose the right thing because i mean i have to do this <unk>, i currently work as a nurse right so at least i was like quite happy, i felt that i chose the right thing i mean there were ups and downs here and there, i mean clinicals it was a bit stressful because learning things in school and doing the practical skills is very different, sometimes you can get the theory but when you go to you know in the when you have to do practicals you can be very stressful you'll get assessed and all that yah and i mean i remember like some days i do well some days i don't do well so i took it very hard on myself so, and then my mum was always there for me i mean because my mum is a nurse also, i can always talk to her when i'm not able to perform, she always give me the right advice yah, so, eventually uh study three years so we end our three years with uh we usually have a last um clinical attachment at the hospital and that's determines whether you like pass or fail your um degree because it's a six weeks attachment and you kind of like almost work as a staff nurse yah, with someone like precepting you but i remember that was a very hard time because i felt that my preceptor was not very nice (ppl) to me, so i took all the feedback that she gave me very very personally so, it's a bit hard but i felt like you know, i tried my best and then i mean of course i eventually did pass, i mean i did get a good g_p_a, second upper class, i was very proud of myself like i felt like i achieved something good and then i also got a sponsorship by n_u_h so like uh actually in year one already i applied for it so that she took me in which means that i will get a guaranteed job at the end of three years though i have to be bonded to them for three years so i didn't really have the stress of like needing to find a job after my degree cause i already had a job so all i had to do was focus and study well and you know get good grades yah and yah so i, graduated, and then i started, i remember starting job earlier than expected because it was when it was covid like happen, it was the peak period of covid, so i think hospitals really needed extra staff so i was only supposed to start work like much later in the year and then um n_u_h um emailed us and told us that no we will have to start work early i remember i didn't even have my official licence from a nursing board they used like a provisional licence and told us you know that we had to start work early so i had a, actually a very short break after i graduated uni, it was only like, two weeks, and i had to go to work already yah so i was like oh my god i didn't even have a break, (ppl) like i thought i would have like time for grad trip and everything, like i didn't have time for any of that so i just started work, so usually when we start work we have to be on probation for six months, so that was another very stressful time because i mean uh the six months will see whether they will confirm you as like a full time staff, so you can actually fail your probation, so in the event that you fail like you know, but i didn't really have the option of failing because i was sponsored by n_u_h right so i had to be bonded to them for three years so failing was not an option so it was a pretty stressful six months i mean but uh the good thing was i had a very good precetor like you know she really believed in me she guided me a lot just that initially, i had a bit of issues getting along with my manager in the ward, cause i tend to be someone who doesn't really smile a lot and all that, so she thought i had an attitude (ppl) yah, but eventually we got along i mean she, of course i got confirmed at the end of six months after a very stressful, i remember crying so much, because it was so stressful i'll tell my mum that you know, i don't understand why all these managers have to be so mean and stuff, yah, so i pass my probation and i felt so, so relieved lah after i passed my probation, because after you pass you don't have to be with a preceptor, you work independently i felt like i had so much more freedom, i can do things like my own case, i don't have someone checking on me and all that, yah so i, continued working in the ward for one and a half years so i felt like i was doing well, i had a very good relationships with all my colleagues and yah, so eventually i decided to transfer to the emergency department because i mean the ward life wasn't really my thing, i wanted something like a bit more fast paced, and i wasn't really like into seeing the same patients every day for one month so i eventually got uh transferred to emergency and then i start, i've been working there for about one year, one and a half years yah and then i really liked it, i felt like i really found my, my passion and like what i really wanted over there i really like the job scope much better and the relationship i have with my colleagues and the doctors and my managers there will be way better yah so i found, so now that i, i feel like every day i do something that i really like yah mm i think the first key event, especially my parents divorce it was a very sad time i mean like nobody gets married to have a failed marriage right, and it was really hard because i mean, i was very close to my dad when i was young and at that time i didn't really understand like the whole concept you know, what it's like to live in a divorce family and stuff , so it was hard i had a lot of coping issues, i mean i started to, i think because of this also, i decided to act up in school and stuff like that you know, issues with getting along with like, boys in school and stuff i'm not sure if it was like the pent up anger or whatever, so my sister also started to notice that i you know behaved a bit oddly and i remember her telling my mum that you know something's up with santhya's behaviour my mum actually brought me to a counsellor you know, after noticing that you know, i was quite affected then i remember the counsellor said that you know i think she, i blame my parents divorce on myself though i mean now that i'm much older, i mean it really has nothing to do with me, but i think at that young age i found it quite hard to you know come to like understand this entire thing that was happening i allowed to take in yah, and then i also remember like growing up like you know, sometimes my mum would say like you know colleagues would talk badly about children from single family and i remember she always told us that you know, she doesn't want anyone to say that about us it was very important to me to grow up with you know the right values, the right character, i do not want anyone to, kinda like say anything about my mum and be like, oh her child is like that, because she's a single mother i don't really think it matters, i mean single parent or not, i think my mum brought us up well as long as the parent teaches their child good values, doesn't really matter if you have one parent or two parent yah so i also grew up with that thinking like you know , i'm not gonna allow anyone to say anything about me and like you know, connect the whole thing or of me being a single mother, and that's why i turned uh me being brought up in a single parent family and that's why i turned out this way yah uh soon as i, i think as i grow up, then my mum told me more information you know, what led to the divorce and stuff, and i think that also helped me realise like you know, what i want in my own future like you know like when i get married or when i get into a relationship, what i should tolerate what i should not tolerate uh yah it gave me more perspective also mm-mm mm i actually, if you ask me now, i would think that it was for the better i don't think we would have stayed a happy family if my parents didn't get divorced i mean like i don't really find a point like why two parents should stay together sometimes you know, parents make the decision to stay together cause they do not want to separate and upset the children but then, at that time, like living with my dad wasn't really making us happy, i may not have understood it then but uh today i actually understand it i don't think we'd have been happy and you know, even though we would have been like a complete family in the eye of society, like if i wasn't happy, like what's the point yah, so now i feel that it was for the better i feel that after i grew up, we were much happier together even though it was just me, my sis, my sister and my mum we were much happier and i think that you know mentally, emotionally, was way better growing up i think it's the whole thing about you know, being a complete family, it's like losing a member of your family, it's very, quite drastic and like yah, really impactful, i mean you never know right when they are young like you know, sometimes such things don't come to your head like, oh one day maybe my parents might get divorced and then one day you know, i might not talk to my dad anymore i have not talked to my dad since i was like fourteen so like it, it's something that you will never predict like, oh i will never have a relationship with my dad anymore in life so i think it's really impactful for me, i mean till today i do think about it from time to time, how like you know i don't actually have a relationship with my dad and all that kind of things and you know what if he had not um, if he had made better decisions in his life you know, how our life would be now if we were a complete family, all these kind of things will come to my head yah, i do think about it from time to time mm i mean, if it was possible ah i, i would wanna be in touch, i mean like sometimes i do think like you know, he's getting older and stuff and like i don't know if he thinks about us and whether he regrets things and wanted the relationship, it's not that, it wasn't intentional, like we didn't intentionally not want to have a relationship it's <unk> because of things that happened after that that you know eventually it led to like us not talking so, i don't know if he regrets things i mean, i definitely wish that it didn't turn out this way, if we could still have a decent relationship and all that, i could still have a father in my life, but it is what it is right i mean i can't turn back time yah (ppl) it was um, so actually after the divorce uh, we are given, so the court gives like uh specified days where you meet the other parent, he was um acting up a lot during that time and you know saying things that were not very nice, and i think it made us very uncomfortable in that situation also , so my mum wasn't really, hang on ah can you hear me okay, so my mum was upset with the situation, eventually instead of being like a happy thing you know that we could meet in, it became a very sour thing and we were not, we weren't we didn't really want to meet him anymore and all that so eventually, my mum decided that, then what's the point yah so, we kinda just like drifted apart mm i think, i think it's a lot at that time why this affected me so much was maybe the stigma, of like at that time, like the stigma of like you know, children who come from single parent family i mean things are a lot different now, like many many years later um <unk> like the children being born in like single parent family or even you know parents who are like gay and all that, is like so much more accepted now so, but at that time it was like so stigmatised you know, i remember my mum saying things that her colleagues would say and i was like so confused like why you know a grown adult would make such comments like, oh the children who come from single parent family usually turn up very bad and all these so i was like, i think that whole idea is what really, tsk like affected me so much like people would judge me and all that as i grow older, and i understand and i think like people accepting so much more it's like it happens more often now, maybe not as much in singapore but at overseas like you know, children coming from divorce is not really, people don't really make a big deal out of it yah, i have not really had someone like personal, personally attacked me about it or be like, oh you come from single parent family it's just things that i hear around, sometimes i wonder like when i was younger, like would people judge me about it like yah, i also found it very awkward you know when someone asked me about my dad when i was younger, like i feel very like awkward, i don't know what to say so usually just like avoid the question, but now that i'm older, i don't really have like, i don't really feel that awkward lah i mean if someone ask me you know what does it that, i'll just say he doesn't live with me, yah, my parents are divorced i don't really find a big issue about it yah mm i think more or less connected uh, i think at that time i was a bit too young to like think about whether it's like more or less connected but definitely had a bit of like an issue with how asians, like asian mindset and like how they think, yah so it made me feel like you know, why do asians have to like have such like such way of thinking, and it's like why can't they have like wider thinking and be more accepting yah, and as much as today things have changed until, i still do feel like it makes me feel a bit lesser connected cause i still feel that singaporeans and asians have this very conservative mindset they're very judgmental about everything that like is out of the norm, yah including things that or what is like a standard family, a standard family should be your mum, dad and children, yah so i, i don't understand why it has to be that way, i mean everyone can have, lead their life in whatever way they want to, in whatever is a family to them you know family means different to everybody yah mm think uh very i think this one is more of like a positive event was like when i graduated uni yah, that one i would say was very po~, like a very positive thing, something i was very proud of, something my family was very proud of so, i remember like on my graduation day, my mum sister came, my mum was so proud of me and it was, i feel that mum, i feel that i made my mum proud in the sense that you know how she always felt that, she do not want her children to lose out because you know, they are from a single parent family she worked very hard, you know she, you know to provide us, she paid for my uni fees and everything, i even had children who come from complete family and they had to pay for their own uni fees, my mum never made me worry about all that, she always say that just study, just focus on the studies and everything else i would take care of so, she made all these effort and i went through uni and everything and i felt that you know, i made her proud at the end of the day, i graduated, i graduated with a g_p_a that i was proud of and now i will be able to get a job, a stable job and everything i felt that's a very good moment, the first time i felt that i really, i truly felt that i made my mum proud how i said that all the other years like in school and stuff and i didn't really take education very seriously so i did not really score very well, i always had that a bit of like sadness about it, so i felt that graduating uni really like, cause it was a very happy moment yah mm i mean, i was really happy and everything, but of course there's still that slight fear you know, what's about to come i mean working life is like so different right, from like i mean there's studying that's like no, no there's like, no stress i study for myself if you don't study, it's your problem , if you do well, it's also your problem (ppl) like in work is so different right, you have to like perform, you are graded (ppl) you have managers like grading your performance and stuff like that, so for me all these things i hear from my mum sounds a bit nervous about that like how i would cope and how i would adapt yah, those kind of things i think, i had those fears also mm i think i just talked to my mum, i tried not to, i'm kind of that, like that person like i try not to stress about things too much until, until i'm in the situation so you know those things come to me like i just put it aside, and i was like okay, i'll just enjoy my break till i start work (ppl) and then when it comes then i'll deal with it so this kind of like to do with my mindset also and i think at the end of the day, i always knew that i mean i can always, like fall back on my mum , like if there's anything, i mean any doubts i have or anything that i'm going through at work, cause she really can relate to it so well right she's been doing it for so many years, yah, so i think that kind of always give me that confidence, that i have my mum, like no matter what since i'm so close to family, like i know that no matter what, i can always share with them yah so it's kind of how i cope i think like, if you talk about like in the context of singapore, it's so much to do with like the focus on education right like i think we are kind of like it's built in our head, like you know success comes from like graduating, like you know if you graduate, it's like the first step to success in your life i think that kind of is, was like built in my mind so i was like okay at least i have like accomplished one thing like to help me, start a good life, like if i didn't even graduate uni like, oh like will i be able to find a job and all that kind of things like, kind of like ingrained in your head you know, that you kind of like, know that this is the path you need to follow i don't know , it's like you know you come to singapore, you know that you have to go to school, after you go to school , you have to go to uni, you have to graduate and find a job, that's the path that we should all follow so maybe it was kinda like in my head also, so i was like okay at least i accomplished the first thing maybe that's why i was also so happy about it yah i think it says a lot, i think it's really a lot about how like from young, we are like really, our mindset is like trained right like you should, this is kind of like the series of steps you should follow i think it's so different compared to like overseas, like you know you can do so many different things like you, it's not like, success is not equivalent to like your academic qualification, but in singapore is so much that way like you know if you are qualified, very qualified academically, you have achieved so much academically, you're considered very like successful like you know graduating uni is like the standard, like everybody should do it yah, so it's kinda like the whole mindset of society and like how we are really trained since very young, like the academic focus is always there, i don't think it really makes me feel more or less connected, i think it's just, it's what i have accepted like, this is just what, singapore is, this is, that's how our society is, i don't really think it's a good or a bad thing, it's beneficial to you in certain ways, but if you're not really like someone who focuses so much on education or if your parents stress you and like if you wanna do other things in life, maybe in that sense you might feel like less connected and like, don't really like this mindset, but to me<c/> i feel that it was okay i mean it, at least it helped me push me in some direction, and especially when you're so young, like you don't really know what to do, at least like maybe like achieving a degree is like something you can work towards mm actually i don't really know what third key event uh, i don't really have (ppl)<c/> a third key event, like i would say that was like the two major things in my life <unk> mean after that, yah um can, can so it's just one particular if high point it will still be like my uni graduation again (ppl) i think, i think like i mentioned before, like it was the first time i felt like i really like, i personally took the effort to work towards something, and it's really something that was like missing for my life for many years, like i never really like, personally took that effort to work towards something, so it was always like my family pushing me like, oh you should study, you should work hard you should do this, you should do that but at the, i felt that it was the first time like, that i really was like, i genuinely was like i wanna do well, i wanna achieve this for myself, and i took the effort without anybody pushing me so that's, i think that's why it stands out so much more yah i think just mainly that point about how it was like a effort for myself without anybody else pushing me yah and it was, i just felt that i made my mum really proud, that's very important to me, yah i think definitely, again like the low point would be the divorce, yah, i mean, i don't really have any additional to describe, but i don't think, like cause i'm not really someone who like focuses so much on like on negative things in my life, so ah to me, it's like that really stands out as like a low point you know something very big and impactful that happened in my life yah, of course, on the way like after even i grow up, like here and there there will be things that go wrong, but it wasn't as impactful as like you know such a huge change in my family and like you know not having a dad for the rest of my life okay, that's why i think that will always stand out to me as like a low point i think it's just that like, how unexpected it was like because, i was so young right i didn't really understand like, oh such things can actually happen like you know, parents can split and you know, you don't have a dad anymore, and it was just something, i think it was just very unexpected, and it was just like the whole process was like so, cause the divorce was like spent over two years it was just like you know, it was just very tough and, so many things happening between like, my dad was acting up so much like, cause he just wanted to show his unhappiness, like it makes the situation even more sour and i can still like remember all the things that he did, you know, and i think those kind of things like always will stay in my mind , like no matter how old i am yah, and i think that's why it was like such a impactful like low moment uh i was in primary four, so i was twelve, ten twelve, mm mm i think, that's all mm, i think, i'm pretty simple minded, i don't have like, you know my sister always says like, i'm not very ambitions (ppl), like i don't have like such huge career aspirations like, oh i need to reach this position and that position like, to me like, good aspiration is to just be happy like i just wanna be happy, and like you know, still have like the same relationship i have with my family possibly to settle down, have children, i always wanna have children, and yah, just be, still be a close knit family lah, with my mum and my sister, you know, have my mum see like her grandchildren, this kind of thing is like what i deem is like happy like, it's not really like something particular that i want to work towards, i mean of course like everyday at work, like i want to just be able to, make a difference in my patient's life there's no particular like, oh i need to achieve this rank, i need to complete this project, it's like i just feel happy if i go to work everyday, i know that i did my work like truthfully, and i made a difference to my patient, and i did like it with integrity that itself is like very fulfilling to me yah, as long as i do no harm to my patients or anything yah, in terms of family , it's definitely like you know, staying like being close with my family, having the same kind of relationship even like ten, twenty years, even when i have my own life, i still want that relationship, if i'm able to achieve that, that's already like, something very good to me uh, as in like, how close, like you know how close i am to my mum and my sister now, i, i want it to stay the same i think i always have that worry like, oh when i have my own life, like if i settle down and have my own husband and my own children like, like will it be the same, i want to work and make sure that it remains the same, no matter how many years goes on yah we might leave apart and all that, but i do not want to sacrifice like the relationship i have with my family i do not want us to like drift apart and stuff i hope to see, myself settling down yah, like getting married, having children, and i hope to see the same for my sister also (ppl), yah, and then like you know like i feel that that's part of like moving to the next chapter of life as much as i want to stay with my mum forever, but (ppl) yah, yah, and then i have to see my mum like you know, age gracefully, become a grandmother, like you know do what she wants like the, what she wants in life i mean so long of her life like she dedicated to like working, doing things for us, yah, i hope to see her like do whatever makes her happy it's kind of how i want, want the future to turn out i think, i think to me, like a constant challenge i have in my life is like the whole adapting thing , like adapting to changes, it's really something i really struggled with, like since i was young and whenever there's a change, it really takes me like a long time to like you know uh adapt to it, and then like go through the whole, oh my god i'm so nervous, i'm so sad i have nobody kind of like situation, before i like settle down and find like my place in it so like no matter it like school and like every time there was like change in school, i always struggled with that yah, and then um when it came to work also, i mean initially i kind of struggled but i think things were much better at work, because i mean actually, everybody works so independently right only in school where you really have those things where you know people have their cliques and friends so i found things to be slightly better when i went to work yah, so i think it's really that whole adapting to changes, it's really something i always have a, challenge with mm i'm not exactly sure how it developed i'm not sure if it's because like, so much of changes went through like, happened in my life suddenly, like maybe it was like a reaction to that, or it has to do with like my own character because i've always been someone who like quite introverted, i don't, speak much, especially when i'm around strangers like when i'm close with someone, i'm very different, but when i'm not close , like i'm in a new place with new people, i'm just very quiet i'm very scared to like make the first move to talk to someone and all that, so i think it's kinda to do with my character also, yah, and then when the divorce happen and so many things happen at the same time, i think it kinda like, affected me a lot, yah mm, i think when i was younger i still like, i didn't really like try to change it, like i just, i mean it is what it is, i'm just gonna struggle every time i go to a new school but i think as i, after i like enter like the workforce, i was, i found a lot more, i think it had also to do with like confidence and since young like, and now also timid, like not much confidence, but i felt like now after graduating uni, i started working, i found a lot more confidence in myself so it also helped with the situation, like i'm more courageous, i'm more confident, i'm not as like afraid and timid, like i'm much more outspoken now yah i think it comes with like maturity, finding your confidence you know, finding your place i felt that you know, i was confident in the job that i do, in the work that i do, so naturally i was more outspoken yah i didn't really have that much challenges like adapting to like work life, and all that mm i think it's really, i mean change is like inevitable right like it always happens, so i think the fact that i need to like struggle with change like so often, it's like, it's really like every time i change a school i will have like, i have this period where i struggle so much, so i think which is why it was so significant to me yah, like cause you start new schools, like every time you graduate you have to move on somewhere, it keeps happening like you know, life keeps changing right you have to move on and move on, move on to the next thing so i always had that challenge, like it was something like constant in my life, like every time i move on, i struggle and then after that i become okay, and i move on again, and then i have that struggle again yah, i think that's why it's quite significant to me, it's like something i can really remember on life is it i think my general principles, is like be relaxed, be happy, yah, just find whatever gives you happiness yah, it's really kinda like, that's how i wanna lead in my life, i don't wanna be so stressed about so many things, thinking about so many things, i really hate stressful things like i don't like (ppl) to think about all those serious things in life yah, i just wanna be like relaxed, do my thing and be happy it's like, it's my outlook i think to me, the most important thing is like, not doing, bad things to others i always have uh, i think i always like told my sister this, like you don't have to go out of your way to be good, as long as you're not bad to a person, like you can have a clear conscience, like a mindset, that like you know i never do anything to harm anyone, i think that itself like will ha~, help me live like, i can live ma~ like, live peacefully yah right and wrong that's a good question i mean right and wrong, like as much as i know what is right and wrong, sometimes maybe when i'm like confused in the situation, like you know about what's right and what's wrong, then i think that's when family comes in family, then i get their opinion on things, like you know whether what i want to do or what i think is right or wrong generally like you know, when you grow up and parents teach you things, they tell you what's right what's wrong i think all these things like come together to like, help you have your own mindset about things like you yourself will know, like this is right, this is wrong but really in the event that i'm so confused, like do not know what's the right or wrong thing to do, then i guess i will ask my family mm, i think it really stems from like your own parenting also, like really what your parents teach you like since a very young age right like this kind of things really can be molded, like you know, like your thinking, and your beliefs and values, a lot has to do with like what your parents tell you, what is right and what's wrong, what's important in life, i think all that really influenced me a lot like since i was very young, yah community or group i think a lot of what i am definitely has to do with my family, i think that's the biggest, the most impactful thing in my life right like they've been there since i was born, i've been with them every day of my life, like we communicate every day, we learn from them everyday, it really has to do with them, like they are the one who will really teach you like things from young, like what is right, what is wrong, how you should view things in life i think that really, kind of like moves your whole thinking yah, and i mean, as much as you're older, you like start to have your own like individual thinking, you become more independent , but i still think it influences like what i think like very heavily mm i think my family, respect is very important, like you know, like you need to respect everyone, everyone needs to talk to everyone respectfully we do not uh lie to each other, no matter what it is, you tell the truth to every one another have respect for each other, and always like you know, be a loving and caring family, like show compassion, yah those, those are the main things i think, if, if you talk about values, i think it has to do with like, i think in singapore it's a very expected that you must have like a very conservative mindset, like your values should move you in such a way that you must be a very conservative person like you should only accept certain things, and all that, but i think times are really changing, like everyone is so different and, we can build things differently lah, i think that, it's not wrong to see things differently i think in singapore you are expected, everyone is expected to build things from like a certain way like, oh this is the asian mindset and this is the singaporean way of seeing things yah, but i think it's important to, as i grow older, i feel like i don't have to do that i can have a different way of thinking and it's no right and wrong like, if that's my way, then if that's what you wanna think then, so be it but i have my own individual right, like if this is how i want to do things, then this is how it is can can, sure uh i'll just grab a drink, and i'll come back two minutes okay can <unk> i think, what really stands out to me is like, pre-technology and like, like really, the technological advancement yah, uh title will be like, i don't know, like technology advancement (ppl) yah, i think really when i was young like you know , from the time of like using like flip phones and like nokia phones, and like, and then things like change rapidly right it was so fast, like i remember by the time i went to secondary school and like i had my first iphone, yah it's like how it's really, if you think about, it's like so amazing how things changed so fast, had my first iphone and then in schools you started using like computers, and then by the time i was in like uh j_c, we already had like, you know laptops and everything was just so different right like smartphones everywhere like, you know, things just, and social media in primary school we only had like facebook, and then suddenly like secondary school we had like twitter and, it's at each stage, like something new keeps coming up and then like, uh j_c , you started having like instagram and then after that, it got tiktok and like so many things i think it's really, the technological advancement really like stands out to me so much, like how times changed so much, become it's so much of different technology and suddenly the whole world is like so connected, like everything you can see on social media and you can just get like, up to date with like anything and everything, and it really also like, how education, like because of technology, like education also really changes like ev~, like you know in primary school , everything is really by paper, pen, and then after that when you go to like secondary school, you have projects that you can do on like the computer, then you go to uni, like everything is really on the computer like you know, your lecture slides and everything, that's like really so minimal things on paper and pen anymore, even your exams like, i took all my exams like, like on a computer, like i never wrote anything yah, so it's really like such a significant change yah i think in terms of s~, if you tell me like the singapore story, i think like the covid, covid also stand to me a lot like how like the whole pandemic situation, like i remember when i was young, my mum told me that s_a_r_s happened when i was young, but i think i was too young to like recognise that all this happened, but because that like you know it happened when i'm so much older, i was like, i remember i was in like i was having my clinical attachment and then they cancelled the entire thing because that was like the first day where dorscon changed like, it became like i think dorscon yellow, i'm not sure, like, like you know the first like covid thing happened in singapore and it was all like so, everyone's like in a panic and like, i remember i was like, oh my god i cannot believe this is happening, like covid really came to singapore (ppl) yah and then like, everything happened so fast suddenly we're in circuit breaker, and we could not go anywhere and then i remember but i still went out, because i started work like, and the fact that because of covid i literally entered the workforce during a pandemic, but i went to work early because it was the pandemic so everybody was at home, circuit breaker, and i was still going to work i remember like it was so weird , like train stations were so empty and then like everybody's sitting apart, everybody's wearing mask, it's this really weird situation, and like i had to like work during a pandemic, i couldn't be scared of covid i mean my patients' scared of covid, and stuff like, i think when i was still working like in the ward, it wasn't that bad, cause it was a clean ward , which means patients all do not have covid, and then after i, transferred to like emergency, i guess i didn't think like the pandemic will go on for so long what i thought was it will end so fast, and then like three years later, the pandemic is still here, and then i really had to deal with like covid patient plan, but i think like the fear got lesser, maybe we all start to get covid ourselves and then you don't fear it as much, but really to think like so many years, of our life, like these few years it's really been spent like, handling this pandemic, is like wow something i'll never forget i think it's really like the two most significant things i can think about, yah relating to what i just said is it yah, i think like , if like the first thing that really stands out to me, is definitely like the whole covid thing like i think, it brought hope in the sense that, like i think there was a lot of fear, there was so much of fear right like you've never gone through a pandemic for so long, and though like s_a_r_s was more deadly than covid, it was like, brought down very fast, like the first pandemic didn't happen for so long, they didn't go through s_a_r_s for years but the fact that we went through covid for so many years, i think it brought so much of fear, but i think what brought hope is really like the confidence in like the government and we were all so confident in like you know, their ability to handle it i don't feel that it was, you know that i saw so many things on social media, it's like you know healthcare workers in hospitals who don't even have proper like equipments and gowns and things to use, it's like you don't do, you don't have that fear in singapore i think the government really give you so much hope and like confidence in them like that, you know , that they will be able to handle it, all you have to do is like follow what they say and we will be safe i think that really even in such a dark negative time, that was like one hope that we had, we had someone to guide us, someone to help us with this situation, like no matter what happens, like you know the government will be able to handle it, like you're all not just gonna die kind of situation, yah i think we had twenty <unk> ah no, nothing, nothing i think when it happened, it was like so much of fear and confusion, but i think now it's like so different right i mean of course every, every day, there's people getting covid, but there's so many proper guidelines and like, things, like so many, procedures and things like put in place by the government, like you just know what to do when you get it, like you know that okay i sh~, if i'm sick i should go and see a g_p if i'm fine, i should stay at home it's like so amazing how there's a like a guideline to like everything (ppl), like what if you do step by step, if you have covid , they even came up with like all those flow sheets and stuff you just can't be like, you just don't have that much that fear and confusion anymore yah, you really know like, what are your avenues and where you should go if you have what symptoms yah, and i think it's like the support we got i think, i just feel like it's so much better than like people overseas mm mm, i think it's just the fact that, you know, it's i think the longest pandemic a country has ever had, and the fact that it was such, it was so much more widespread than any other, i think pandemics that this world has ever seen, so much more deaths, and everybody, like the total of the population of people getting the disease was like so much more than other diseases, i think that's why it was so significant it was just spreading so fast and you know, everybody was like, find it so hard to cope with the entire situation, and i never went through like this whole like circuit breaker where we can't go out anywhere situation, i think i've never, because the fact that i've never experienced this in my life like twenty five years in my life, i never knew that you know, it can come to this state, i think that's why it's like so impactful i think it really shows like, how, i mean, no matter how much you complain about like our government, and politics and stuff, i think it really shows how much, how much we can actually rely on them like it really, this, this whole pandemic really showed me that, like, then after all these like big changes that we went through and like sudden things that happened in the country, we can still rely on them like they will be able to come up with a committee, resources, they will be able to come out with a plan about you know, how they should uh, you know, protect the citizens and make sure that you know our death rate stays low, how we should protect the elderly, who you know, are the most vulnerable to this disease it really, it really gave me a lot of confidence in the government yah, and i felt very like you know protected, and like you know, we don't have to worry, we just have to stay calm and like you know, follow whatever instructions i mean of course there may be certain things you don't agree with, but in general, i felt that they really handled the entire situation very well yah, they protected the healthcare workers really well, they made sure the vulnerable groups were always taken care of, they give very like clear instructions on what you should do, yah i think it was, was just, it gave me a lot of like, enlightenment about you know, the capability of our government it definitely make me feel more connected, i think we really went through a lot like as a country, like we had to like, i mean we, this whole like, you know even the thing about herd-immunity, like you know how we should get vaccinated to like, not only protect ourselves but protect other people in the country, i think all these kind of small small things actually shows you that you know, we need to be there for each other in like hard times, though we are complete strangers so it makes you feel connected like everyday i go to work also, i mean people who i meet are complete strangers, those who have covid and stuff, i mean i help them because i mean at the end of the day, if it's not, if you don't help each other, then who will all right so it really makes you feel more connected let me think ah, i can't really think (ppl) i can't really think of it right now, i feel like the most significant to me would be the pandemic, i'm not sure i've been through so much (ppl) i think if you'd ask me like generally like, high point of singapore, i would definitely think like achieving independence i mean bits of information i, i think it was like a great thing that we you know, achieved our own independence then that time we had so many conflicts, like you know when we were malaysia, and stuff like we couldn't do things, and malaysia had it's own policies and the government's, the government's way of thinking was so different, i really think like, sometimes i cannot imagine like if we were still with malaysia like what our life would be like today, it would be so different right like, i think it was just amazing that like, like at that time like, lee kuan yew like you know, though he felt that we didn't really have anything to rely on, but he took that first step to like, okay never mind, no matter what struggles we go through, we will, no matter what struggles we go through, we should go independent, and we should lead our own way, and our own life, and i think that's the reason why we are here today like singapore has advanced so much because of that one decision that we made like the first step that he took, yah, i think that was already it, it started, that is what started the high point of singapore, that first step that they took and then, all the changes that they have brought on since then, you know, making it such an, a like comfortable place for us to live in, such a safe place, yah that's something, i would say that is like really positive thing mm-mm, i think it was very courageous i actually remember that video where you know, lee kuan yew would say like the decision and he will cry in it, so it must have been such a, such a scary decision for him to make, but i think it was so courageous that he took that decision, he really like you know, had faith that we would eventually make it yah so i'm, when i think about it, like it really shows me like the amount of courage that he had i think, it was the fact that if we had stayed under the shadow of like you know being together with malaysia, we couldn't have been able to achieve whatever we did today today we are like known all over the world as like so many things right like, for like exchange of goods, for transportation, for tourism, you know having a good economy and all these things i mean if you compare us to where malaysia is today, we are doing so much better than them, and all these things wouldn't have happened, if we didn't separate from them i think that's why it's so significant i think it it really shows like we have good leaders i mean of course no, no leadership is like perfect right i mean they have their flaws and sometimes like you know, singaporeans express all their unhappiness about things that the p_a_p does and whatever, what not but i think, it was because of the good leadership that we managed to achieve all that we have till today because of all the decisions that the leaders made over the years, yah i do feel that until today we do have very good leadership it does make me feel more connected, i think like given that i'm older now, that i'm able to vote and stuff, like you know i can make that, i also have that kind of like power in my hands to make that change for the country right so i think, that makes me feel more connected, and makes me feel like, it makes me pay more attention to like things that are happening in the country, yah like uh two and three as in high points is it oh, oh, oh, oh, (ppl), uh, i think what i mentioned can also definitely be a key event, like this whole independence thing you know the whole like political change in singapore, i think we have gone through so many political change i think that was the first one that you know started everything, like the fact that, we made such a huge decision and like you know from being together with malaysia and then became an independent country, i mean something you study about so much in school right like, they really put so much of focus on it, so it's definitely one key event that really change what singapore was, yah i think i feel like because i talked about politics, like something that stands up to me is like the whole um opposition party uh, like how they actually like over the years, they became so much more prominent yah i remember in one of the years, i forgot which year of the election, that it was such a, close call between like p_a_p and the opposition party and i think that really showed, like wow, singaporean's perspective is really changing, like they're really, like the generation has changed like you know, in the oldern times it was really like, all our elderlies who were like the older generations, who were the one, who were the majority of the, like the votes were from them but, things are really changing now, we have the younger ones with such different mindset like why like i think it really like showed like, the whole country that, things are really changing , people's mindset is changing, and i'm sure it also was a like a wake up call to p_a_p itself that, yah, i mean like things can just change like within seconds right yah, i think that's something that also stands out to me i think it's quite scary, if you think about it it's like and then every time i feel like it's like, i think when i think of myself of things it's like comparison to like you know the u_s, like when donald trump became the president, it's like, you know a decision that you make in like one minute can like change the entire nations' like fate so it's very scary i feel like we are so used to the fact that p_a_p is our government for like so many years, the, the thought about our government just changing overnight and whether they will be able to, do things the same way, and we will have, we will be able to have like the same life that we have today, it's all really a question mark yah and i think that's one reason why like, no matter how much like opposition party, comes close like, we're still so afraid to like let them like take over party mm i think because like over the years like, there was no such thing as, i don't think it ever came in the advance <unk>, a government other than p_a_p, it's always that we we are just so used to the fact, it's like every election is the same it's okay, p_a_p will still win but it's the fact that one year, like really like things were so close, like the fight was so close , it really really shows you that, you know, things are really changing, people's mindset is really changing and we never know, like one day we might, our government might be someone completely different i think it really says that like, the dynamics are really changing, like our elderly, i mean as much as we have an ageing population, like there's so many more young people nowadays, and they have so much of, so much more like different perspectives i think the elderly always have like this loyalty mindset, and like whenever i talk to my grandma, it's only lee kuan yew did this, so i need to support, but then like young people have, i think our perspective are so much more different we look at so many more things, we really like the cons and pros of things, yah, like the whole mindset is really shifting it actually makes me feel more connected, i feel like i have more say now, i'm older i have voting rights, we have more voice, we have social media, we have so many platforms to like you know, say what we want we have so much more access to information, and you know at so many things like social media makes us more connected you can you know, see what the government is doing, you can see what every other party is doing, then you can really make that informed choice yah, i think giving, given that right really makes me feel more connected i think if we really, the covid definitely stands up to be the most uh it was really a low point, it was like everything was going fine, suddenly, we were hit with like a disease that we didn't know anything about then when covid started, it's like we didn't even know like, it's like airborne disease is this a droplet how does this disease spread everything was just a question mark it was so much of uncertainties, and then it started to spread very fast, and initially we didn't even have a vaccination against it, and you know a lot of people started to get really sick from it, and then, after you start hearing about deaths, i think it really hits you, like oh my god, this is like really serious and even when the vaccination came there were like, it came a lot of additional problems, like serious side effects of vaccination you have so young people like dying after getting the vaccination because of like myocarditis and so many different conditions, and like everything is like, was just very , it was just a very overwhelming time right it's like, i had to take the vaccination because i mean i was working in healthcare, but of course i have my own concerns as much as, things were like (ppo) it was made scientifically, but there was no like there wasn't sufficient studies to prove the, to study about mainly the side effects of the vaccination even till today is like it's really a question mark like what are the long term side effects of getting the vaccine and long term side effects of getting covid there's so many things that are still uncertain till today so i think it was a really low point, and then at one period of time like the death rate was really high i think it really, it was very saddening time for the entire country, i mean we all try our best to be socially responsible, all healthcare staffs try their best, but i mean, we can only try our best right yah so, i think it was a really tough time for the whole country we had to like stay positive through you know, all these adverseities that we were facing i think, the fact that it took so many lives and it wasn't even just the old one, i remember reading erm articles about y- know young, really young children who died from covid, and babies who died from covid it was just very saddening i think because, i mean, i work in healthcare also, like the fact that in the emergency like i see patients every day who like get so sick from covid and all that, it's really very sad and i mean at that time, like the hospitals were so overwhelmed right like, it was also a matter of resource, like we can't just put everybody in the i_c_u and try to save everybody we had to like make a choice, like you know, we only have this many i_c_u beds and you know, if you're so old like this is all we can do for ~, so it's just very sad, like no matter how much you wanna save the entire world, like it's just not possible mm, i~ think that's all mm, i just hope we continues to stay a safe country a country where you know, we have good economical progress ~ mean things are getting hard right there's like inflation and so many things, but like with a good government, and good leadership, i hope that we continue to progress as a country and <unk> stay, be a place where you feel safe, i think safety is just, i think we we don't give enough credit to safety like every time, when i watch like the news or even when i watch programsmes like things like happen in overseas it's just like so outrageous, like shootings and children getting killed you know, know because of shooting in school and all sorts of like criminal acts i think we really take it for granted in singapore it's too safe i don't have worry about all these kinds of things, and i hope that it continues to stay the same way in the future i hope that, you know, singaporeans as a whole like stops (ppo) staying so conservative be more open to things, er accepting people from who just have different perspectives or are just different from us and we know that people choose to lead lives in whatever way they want, i just hope that we are not so judgemental, we accept them and yah, just progress as a country mm, i don't think there's anything like particular that i expect to see, i just hope to see like more advancement, like er, i hope to see more inclusivity, and y~ know things progressing in the right direction, in a positive direction and mm, i mean i i feel like , because i'm i work in healthcare, like i i think i relate to it the most like i feel that we should give more respect and treat our healthcare workers better yah, i feel that that's something i relate to the most , like you know, like to have better er how do i say, better work environment for healthcare workers like you know, singaporeans change their mindset and don't treat healthcare workers like their maids and less abuse for them they, because they also deserve to work in like a safe proper environment yah i think er, things like, you know people who are just different from us like there's some people with like different sexuality, different with, different academic backgrounds i feel like when someone is of a different sexuality, like we still, when they're out of the norm, as much as we think that singaporeans are accepting i feel like they are not they are pretty judgmental about it, they treat them differently and i think it's not necessary like even think that like till today, like you know when you know that someone is less educated than you , you don't treat them with as much respect as someone who is highly educated, though <unk> i mean everyone deserves respect in this world like even thing, like the whole thing about even racism, as much as we think that singapore is multiracial, everything is so nice and beautiful, it's not that's, racism is still something that is very apparent, like if you really look at things carefully, you still do realise that people say things that are so insensitive and we should just be more inclusive, like such things shouldn't matter, like what race you are from, what's the colour of your skin (ppo) to even like, to the detail of things like for example, like you know you only hire somebody because er they are of a certain race such things shouldn't be happening, like today's age and day anymore yah, so i just hope people are just more ou~ more inclusive and ignore things that shouldn't matter mm, well if i can think of one thing i feel like it's the fact that we lack natural resources i think in a lot of countries, like they have resources that they can rely on to like make a business, like if you have oil, if you have i don't know other things but in singapore really, oh we have water to sell and stuff singpore really don't have those resources we really have to live off other things, like making ourself like you know, a place of tourism and all of that kind of thing so i think that's always a challenge singapore will have like even years to come like you know, we need to have good relations with every other country, we need to be humble, you know, so that we can get those resources from the other country we need to have good relations so that you know we can make business with them yah, a~ that's something that i think that always stands out to me it's like we don't really have anything immediately to fall back on in terms of resources, like to say that okay, like you know like malaysia can actually like threaten us, like okay we're not gonna give you water anymore because they have that resource, but we don't have all this kind of thing, so we must really, the way that our political government like you know have relationships with like people all over the country, it's so important i think it just has to do with like geographical location (ppl) and what singapore already has right we didn't have much to start off with, so we had no choice but to make ourself marketable in other ways and i think, but i think our government a pretty good job in that they come up with different different ways for us to make money and you know, for people to want to make business with us yah hm i think like tourism, for example, we like make ourselves a very good tourist place i mean that's really one way to earn a lot of revenue right when tourists come in and you know spend lots of money, and also in terms of healthcare, we are known to have very good healthcare in singapore there are people, there are patients who come from all over the world, like you know, i work in the hospital everyday, like patient who come all over the world just to receive medical treatment here yah, this is also one way that you know, we market ourself and we earn money through that way, and of course having good relations with a lot of countries like there's one big kind of part how we survive right we have good relations, so we are able to we have such good relations that we are~ able to get all these resources that we don't have, from every other country, and like we don't have to have that fear that oh, one day they are just gonna say no because we have that good relationship with them i think like as a person living in singapore, it has to do with our survival right it's like how we are gonna sustain ourself as a country, so it's really so significant like if we are not able to do all these things, we will just be like a third world country to be able to be this developed and you know, have this many opportunities and for a country that progress so much, it is because of all these thing mm, i think singapore has a very serious outlook on life it's like, you need to achieve so many things in this very short life (ppl) that we have it's like i don't know, i feel like we've always no focus on like the fun and the good aspects of life it's just all the serious things lah okay, so when you're young, you study after you study, you need to work you need to work, you need to save money and then you need to buy a big house and you get a good car and you get a good husband (ppl) then after, you need to have a lot of children, and then, the cycle continues, whatever you did, you do for your children okay, you gotta make sure that they study well and then they get a good job and they also get married well and stuff like that so i feel like it's just so serious, it's like always like this very serious cycle that keeps happening yah i think it~, i think there's no need to focus so much on like achieving so much, uhm but i don't know if that's like personal preference like to me it's like, okay i achieve so much and then so what (ppl) like i rather be, may not achieve as much, but i rather be happy like do things that i want um i think that, to me personally, is more fulfilling <unk> mm, most important value i think it would be respect i think it's like, singapore is so conservative right there's the whole thing, oh i'm older, you are younger it's apparent everywhere like in school, your teacher is someone who's older you are a student, you need to give respect and then when you work, your your manager is like someone who's like older, someone with more authority, you need to give that kind then in house, it's like oh you need to give respect to the elderly like stuff like that, so everywhere which is why it's like, it's so like, you know in like overseas, they call everyone, no matter what age, like oh by their name even to the extent in singapore, we don't do that someone older, oh you call them auntie, uncle yah we don't like, just go call someone by their name and stuff so i think respect is really something, like you know, it's st~ a very asian thing right when someone is older than you, you need to do this kind of things you need to speak to them a certain way, you need to speak formally, you cannot speak informally yah mm, i think it's just to do with the whole right and wrong, like the asian mindset like you know in like asians, there are certain ways we are brought up we have certain values, and then, our parents teach us that you know, this is right, this is wrong and asians are the kind that, you know, we grow up very close to our family, and it's not like oh once we're eighteen, we move out and we live our own life we just stay with them until you know, we get our own life so it's really a lot to do with your parents teach you yah, and i think because, i mean we're all asians we our parents all grow up with everybody else's parents like you know, we all influence one another so generally, our mindset all tends to be the same we all kind of have like the s~, we all kind of have to same view about like what is right and what is wrong mm mm no, that's all (ppl) i think that's, like almost everything i can think about already (ppl) i guess overall i do think it's a positive story i mean, i don't think, yah when i look at it, i mean it's always, i mean nothing is perfect right can't be like a perfect story with no downs i mean of course there are downs, but i think there are more ups in that has happened over the years, than like negative things so i will still view it as something positive like so many positive changes has happened, and you know, a lot of good progress has been made yah mm i think i feel connected to a certain extent, maybe because a lot of changes that happen in the early years, i wasn't present i mean, i wasn't even born then (ppl), it's just things that i have studied in school or things i have read about so, i can only connect myself more to changes that happen when i was around, like i was at a age where i was more aware of things yah, but a lot of these significant changes were made when our when like, you know, in like many many years back like things like independence and all that kind of things were so far back right so all these kind of things i can't really relate to it, i can only read about it but i can, i can relate more to things that happenened when i was at a age where i am aware, i can understand what is happening like you know, political changes or whatever we went through with the pandemic and all these kind of things i think it means, it just, it doesn't only mean like, oh living in a country er you know i feel like in singapore, we live in a country tolerating each other's differences it's not accepting, we just tolerate it like you know, things that different uh races do and all that, we just tolerate it, but i think what it should really mean being in a multicultural society is we accept it we understand and we accept it so you must have the awareness of why they do certain things and you know, and i try accept it because they are part of my country, they are my citizens fellow citizens right so i should accept it and i shouldn't like oh, be frowning upon things that they do or like being unhappy that, and feeling like oh, certain races get more opportunities than me or they get more benefits in the country i mean then what's the point of calling yourself like a multicultural society, if like things are not fair for everybody end of the day it's like, a chinese person is singaporean, i'm also singaporean so how is it that they get certain advantages or they get certain oh, get more opportunities than me because of their skin colour then we cannot call this a multicultural society it's just chinese people living with other races yah tolerating is just that like, i do not like what's happening but i have no choice but to just keep quiet but accepting is truly understanding what is happening, and i don't have an issue with it and yah i mean <unk>, to me, meritocracy means that you get certain opportunities because you have things to like back it up for example, like if there's a j~ there's a job that's available and the job requires this qualification, the one who is best qualified for it should get the job so, it shouldn't, it's based on what you have to offer like you know, those with the best, best grades for that particular opportunity or job that's available, should get it but it shouldn't be on, you know, (ppb) be based on things like gender, based on things like race, 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NSH85167_070423_1300_2011.docx | okay okay okay so like a section of my like my life story in sections okay um so i won't do it by age so i guess um from yah so since i was really really young all the way until uh i live with my grandparent um yah, and then from the age of i think six to uh ten uh i would say i live in between my parents and my grandparent so uh that's the phase where uh i i live so i live in like changi and then um every morning, my parents would drop me off at my grandparent's house so from six to ten, that was like a routine for me and then eleven onwards um uh my mum quit her job so uh i was just in like one location after that so that's how i like kind of grew my life uh and then from that age all the way to maybe like sixteen like my entire secondary school phase we were still living in the changi house and then after that seventeen onwards um we moved to a central area uh in singapore so yah that's why i end at now yup that's how i see my life (ppl) yah mm yah as in the first one like the first title it uh yah, i just think would just be uh childhood <unk> yah yah nothing yah childhood second section uh (ppl) it's so basic but i would say like late childhood yeah (ppl) (ppl) yah uh yah third one yah, i guess it would just yah then like adolescence and then (ppl) and then now yeah yah now i would say early adulthood mm short description i would just say uh i don't think it's a description but if i could describe it now it will just be a feeling of being very uh trapped yah, cause i feel like uh i'm still living with my parents but then i feel very um like i feel like the expectations and everything of me is still very like childlike so i would say in this case i feel quite trapped but uh yah that's how i would describe it lah yah okay, so maybe for we'll just go back in chronological order, so for the first phase, uh meaning since i was born all the way to six i would say that uh it's a phase of like learning, so like it's a phase of learning how to interact with my environment and the things around me and um yah, and then my second phase like six to eleven years where i transition like from one place to another i would say that is that was quite a hard phase for me cause uh i didn't really exactly know like who i could depend on in terms of my parental figures who they kept changing, and then every parent had like different rules so like it was quite confusing cause i consider my grandparents as parents as well yah and then um that was yah six to eleven, then i would say eleven to sixteen when i will be one house away and i was under my parents um yah, i i think that was where i kept a lot of things to myself because uh i was still kind of like adjusting to only being in one place and one location yah and then uh from sixteen onwards to maybe like before i entered university, um yah, i got the hang of like just being in my one space and um yah, that was kind of like a nice <unk> in my life i would say yah and then now it i yah so now it's like a little bit tough because i feel abit trapped cause right now i want to do like a lot of things but apart so it's just quite uh suffocating sometimes yah um okay so like i would love to travel and i would love to have a little bit more independence in terms of the decisions that i make so i tried to have the independent by staying in hall uh in my first two years of uni which is nice but then i guess the practical side of it uh came along and i realised that spending wise cause i'm trying to watch my spending as well, like it's just not like i did a course benefit analysis and it's does not work so um yah, i just have to bite the bullet and choose my battles so i think staying at home is like it saves a lot of money lah and um if i can just bear with it for like maybe two to three more years like if i yah so not so bad but yah okay uh okay, i would say maybe my first event being uh (ppo) yah, so it's academic related so the first event would be getting back my p_s_l_e result that was quite traumatic because uh my parents have very high expectations of me and i didn't meet the expectations at all um so uh i'm the oldest in my family, so uh i would say that my parents were experimenting with the parenting styles that they use on me as well, so they didn't really know how to go about um telling me that it's going to be okay because they don't know if it's going to be okay as well so i didn't do like as well as expected and uh it was hard because as the twelve year old, you didn't know why your parents were like were not talking to you or were giving you the cold shoulder for very very long like i think it span for about three months so i think that was quite a key event for me because it made me uh question like it really put a lot of um like i harp a lot on academic achievement to define myself so that means from twelve to about sixteen um it was very very like hard cause my self esteem was like really bad and um i had a very negative self concept of myself because of my grades and where i ended up going so so yah, it was quite a tough time and i would say it's a key event because it really shapes me to have very low self esteem yah and then um another key event would (ppl) be also academic related but it was my o level so i did pretty well for that so i was really happy but then in retrospect i remembered like the first thing i said like to myself repeatedly, it was that i not stupid and like i think in that moment it was like just a passing comment but i i keep thinking about it because to me it's like it's quite sad that that is how i saw myself from like twelve to sixteen yah so and i brought it up to my parents before but when i did that, they didn't think so much about it but to me it was quite key then because it showed how my self concept is variably defined by academics so that was another key event i would say and then maybe if i had to pick a last one uh mm i would say the period of time where i kind of uh decided to stay with my grandparent uh i think it it happened quite recently but it was a <unk> decision, and i think it's because i couldn't really stand the expectations that were placed on me in this phase so like because i mentioned how i would like to kind of uh break free from certain like rules in the family so it got a bit overwhelming and uh i just decided to leave the house and stay with my grandparents like for i think an entire eight months um and i had no contact with my parents yah but my grandparents and my parents had interactions with one another to like check in on me but i just needed that space uh to take care of my own like mental well being yah so it was a great eight months so i got to like have a little bit of independence so i manage my own like money and stuff like that um but it was nice because it gave my parents time to think about the way they set expectations and rules in this household as well yah so yah so now i'm living with my parents but i would say maybe a bit better because um they are a bit more wary of the things they say, and the expectations that they place yah so that was a key event because it changed the way i interact with my loved ones abit yah those are like key events in my head yah yah sure yeah uh when it happened uh i for myself, i didn't really feel anything because i was twelve and i didn't understand to me it was good enough that i could get into an express course and i could get into a goal school so to me it was like okay but then um i think the confusion set in when my parents were reacting very differently to the situation i think my mother had her own like feelings to deal with deal with because she invested a lot in me in terms of tuition and my parents were not very well off then so um it took a toll on her financial like expenditure and things like that, so i think it was from a very personal standpoint that she was affected because to her that i invested so much in this child and then she's not bringing in any profits or any benefits yah so i guess like i felt like i let a lot of people down so yah very bad obviously and i also closed off from a lot of people so it made me a very introverted person and a very shy person in secondary school as well yah so i think it's very bad yah very traumatic mm (ppl) yah and then and then now i guess uh it it's good that that incident happened because i became very independent in terms of my academic so i will tell my parents like don't give me tuition i'll just leave the academics to me so that it's lesser expectations on their end and then i become independent so they actually saw like in secondary school how i would be very hardworking on my own so i told them to like take a back seat and just let me like handle my education so that's what they have been letting me do, and that's why i like made the choice to go to poly instead of j_c as well so so i like uh they, i think they trust me better now in the choice of my education, like they don't even step in anymore, which is great um they have like their full trust on me on that, so that's nice and it gives me the confidence as well to like uh pursue what i wanna pursue lah but um yeah i think talking about that, there was another event that i forgot to bring up and it was during the o level space because of what happened to me during p_s_l_e i couldn't sleep every single night for like i think three months leading up to p_s_l_e and it was really bad because i would have to carry my mattress into my parents' room just to be able to fall asleep at night because that's how affected i was about the p_s_l_e grades yah yah when i was taking my o level yah that was pretty intense yah i guess it didn't really help much but i couldn't process it at that time but basically i was just really anxious and i couldn't pinpoint why um and i was in denial that it was because of o level but in retrospect, it wasn't because of o level so uh yah but like no choice they just gotta stick through it i guess yah, but i think after that after o levels, i was fine again so it was just in that stage that i was really really like yah to the point where i couldn't even sleep yah no worries i think it was just my parents but um what i mean by closed doors is just that uh like i felt like i don't know i just felt like people saw me very differently like um at first it was like oh she's like smart and she has like a lot going on for her but then after the incident i just felt like people just saw me as like like no future which is like totally ridiculous but that's how i saw myself yah and like kind of sucks (ppl) so yeah right ya yah and then i felt like i i couldn't yah i just felt very bad about myself, so i started a lot of like unhealthy behaviours like uh eating excessively and then like i wouldn't even take take care of like my own hygiene at twelve and i didn't know how to interact with my friends as well no like social skills were i i guess it was okay but then like how do i say its like started feeling very jealous of my friends yah it's just very unhealthy behaviours lah and i felt like if i continued behaving like that um i would yah it's just that like (ppl) not okay yah what like why is it important oh and i think it's important because i felt like if i continued going down that route i will end up at a very different place than where i am at today i think um if i continued thinking very negatively and not taking care of myself and like defining them just by my grades i feel like yah i will just be a very unhappy person and um yah like i wouldn't be able to have friends or like just thrive yah like and it's going to be really sad so i'm glad that i got myself out of that rut yah i mean i guess it just shows how um how much um people place emphasis on achievements in terms of your grade and it to me it shows how like like you see merito~ like cause singapore is like a meritocracy society right but it's just like how much one exam or like one big final test can really determine your future and that's how like singaporeans see it right the fact that my parents can like be very cold to me for like months just cause of one exam is ridiculous but then it's what it is because it's the singapore system and like i'm not the only one who has experiences before, like my friends and i have had this conversation and their parents also kind of do similar things like because they just score badly for <unk> it's ridiculous lah but i just think that like singapore places so much emphasis on doing well academically, but then like things like your mental health and your mental wellbeing or your self esteem <unk> like they don't really care about that and um yah if you are not blessed with parents who know how to <unk> it's up to you to get yourself out of that rut i guess ya mm let me think i i think i would think in a sense it makes me connected to singapore still because like i grew up here i don't travel much so i don't know what's out there okay uh yeah like i guess it's a common experience shared between the people around me so i guess it makes me feel connected to singapore um but whether that's positive or negative i would say it's more negative yah (ppl) yah mm yah i mean cause you're defining yourself based on one aspect and the aspect of education and like personally it nothing to gloat over because i would like to define myself with other things like my morals and values or my strength like not just my academics yah it's a very singaporean thing yeah okay i'll share um my secondary school and then my mum followed me to get my results and then uh yah so we open, i open the slip and then i didn't even like bother showing it to my mum because like i'm all about self validation now so i saw it and then yah i just told my mum like oh my god i'm not stupid so in my head it was like and i said it repeatedly and i started crying so everyone thought like i did really really badly but it was the opposite and like my mother didn't understand why i was bawling, she didn't understand why i kept saying that to myself she was like so do you do well or not but to me it was like all my hard work and all my effort and like like that self concept just automatically like changed which is crazy because it's just one exam like it (ppl) yah but immediately i was like, oh you know i'm not so bad after all which is kind of sad yah i guess it was a happy event because um like i didn't define myself based on p_s_l_e anymore now it was like something else to define myself with which is not healthy still but i guess it's better yeah yeah no one else, just my mum cause my dad was working yah so i just um yah when it happened oh uh it was <unk> happiness right but then now i still kind of like pitiful like i feel abit that that was the way the event happened yah i just think that there were a lot of things that i shouldn't have said or it's just not right yah but i guess yah we can't really go back and change it but i just feel quite sad that that's still how i define myself yah yah i guess it goes back to the idea of like how education is seen as something that um it's the eighty percent of your whole personality and um yah and during that period like of me studying and stuff, i had to like, i made the conscious decision to like stop doing gymnastics or like stop taking up guitar lesson just so i could focus on my o levels and i just felt like why do we have to sacrifice all of these things you know just to get a certain grade, like is it really be that important yeah i guess it just says like singapore stresses a lot on education lah can be very unhealthy yeah --empty--) mm more or less i think maybe at that phase less connected cause at that age like you're developing your own talent, your own interest, that kind of thing and then you get a bit frustrated and annoyed because you are like in a dilemma, you're like i have to do well because that's how like this place defines my self worth but at the same time i don't want to lose all of these things and i can't do it because i have to focus on education so i would say at that phase less connected yah and okay yah stay with my grandparents as in recently or when i was really young right right okay um yah so i stay with my grandparents so in the house it was my grandparents and my uncle so and my help, and my grandparents helper yah so there was like the four of us but it was a very healthy environment i would say healthier because um there was no expectation yah so when there's no expectations and the house is full of love, it's very different um i would say that i really enjoyed my stay there because um like it it wasn't like conditional you know so yah so um i think it was a very healthy environment, and i could really focus on what i wanted to focus on which was good like i was really passionate about my study during that time when i was there even though i didn't have like a proper study table there like i felt the most interested in my academics there, because i felt like hey you know there's no expectation and it's purely because i wanna learn i also strangely found myself like volunteering in class more speaking out more because i knew that i had nothing to lose yah but then um comparing it to now like i would say that i mean now it's like it's better but as in this <unk> when i wasn't at my <unk> grandparent's house and i was in school it was very different like i wouldn't really volunteer in class or i didn't really have the interest to to learn for the sake of learning yah so i don't know yah cause when i was there i felt very at peace, but of course there was like the guilt that i'm i need to talk to my parents soon but i kept like prolonging it so i would say things like i'm still schooling or like you know and i have other commitment so i kept like delaying that interaction with my parents i would say i was happy but there was also a lot of guilt cause i feel like i'm responsible for my parents' emotion and then i think now in retrospect i'm actually really glad that i did that because um i wouldn't say it's like being completely like of a rebel because my parents knew where i was and my grandparents would like update my parents accordingly but i think it woke my parents up because it made them realise that my mental health cannot be taken lightly yah so because of the incident um my parents sat me down and like they told me that yah maybe we have been a little bit too hard on you and uh we wanna let you know that we're going to like reel back our expectations a little bit of you yah yah so i wake i felt a bit more relieved yah after yah i think it's significant to me because um my very typical style of parenting in singapore like very asian, kind of thing, very um authoritarian right so like it didn't make me have a voice first of all, and i felt very suppressed and i had a lot of opinions on things, i had a lot of like yah basically i could never disagree with them, and i i think they they they see how like i don't have a voice basically in the house and i wouldn't say that things have changed now, like i still think that i don't have a voice of but um i would say that they don't really express their opinion as in how do i say this like they don't really um er like give me consequences that are unreasonable anymore, but you can tell that they are unhappy but i can just do i want now, like cannot do what i want but as in how do i say this, like it's a bit better lah, like they know that it's it's not right for them to impose certain things on me mm yah yah mm ya ya so uh that's how i think it's different and um i would say it's still a work in progress but um yah i think if we are relating it back to singapore i would just think that it's a typical asian style of parenting it's like there's a something that you should do and should not do uh it's not uh like they don't respect you as an individual like as a twenty three year old, like no such thing just what you should be doing and what you should not be doing you know which is something that you tell an eight year old child not a twenty three year old child you know yah so yeah yeah mm yah i guess it's just that parents have a lot of expectations from their child um even if it's not in terms of education, i think it in terms of the way you should behave like there's always a certain age to do something and i think the government puts a lot of like the government influences this a lot, because they have rules like oh by a certain age this is how you can apply for a b_t_o, by a certain age which is how you take out your c_p_f yeah so i think that it really fix the this parents view things as well right so uh yah i just think this is not right and you know in other countries, its you do you like, when you feel it's right to go to uni you go to uni, when you feel it's right to get married you get married, but because of the way through you're being set in singapore the older generation i think uses it as a way to to guide your life, especially when you don't travel a lot or you don't see what's out there yah no problem i think it makes me feel connected in terms of the extent of how singaporean i am um because i feel like a lot of people have the same experience as me so it's kind of hard to be able to express my unhappiness people are experiencing the same thing so everyone is experiencing the same thing, similar things so it gets very normalised so if i were to bring this up let's say to my parents they would say oh you know but this person's child is also having parents that are hard right and this person's child so you can't really yah i guess it makes me more singaporean, but again negatively <unk> yeah okay um i would say a very high point um i think it's not like one incident but i would say um okay maybe i can give one incident, and then i can give something that i feel is like something i'm proud of so one incident will be basic but okay so its when i finally got into a university that is in singapore because uh i think it's just like an indicator that um that i did my parents proud and um that i may not necessarily follow the the default route of going to a j_c and then you know uh getting into university so i thought that was quite commendable i mean maybe i didn't have a choice because my parents like told me you're not going overseas, i don't care so um i felt like i had to get into local uni if not yeah like um i didn't know where else to go so i it was very nice it was a high point for me because it's like okay you know my effort, my own efforts i made it again defining myself through grades but i work really hard for it so ya um yah so i guess that was a high point, but then in life i would say a high point would be being financially responsible for my own self so i took it upon myself to to make sure that i am financially responsible so um my parents give me an allowance but it's like the bare minimum and i don't have a, i don't have the heart to to let them know that is not enough because um obviously they're doing what they can and it's good enough that they are already giving me something so um yah i just take what they give, but it's not enough and um unless i want to eat like two dollar rice and ikan bilis everyday lah so uh i have to find my own way to to make money so to me that was a high point because when i finally achieve it like consistently and i see that money in my bank account i think it's quite commendable because i've always struggled with resilience and uh committing to things so to me that was an indicator that, hey you know i can i can achieve something and that is part of my self concept like um being resilient and i think that matters more to me now than grades or than academic achievement, and that was a high point because to me, it's like i'm finally defining myself on things other than what i see on the paper yes yup uh i would say that uh i am not someone who like manages her money really well like last time, and i think when it happened was that time during the that eight months when i was living alone i was already like working part time but um i think it really struck me then that i had to be able to manage my finances because i was, uh i wasn't depending on my grandparents right and uh it was very very hard in advance cause it was to the point where like i didn't know if i could um support myself the next day yah and it was very hard on me cause i was also schooling and uh yah i mean i could still eat because i stayed with my grandparents, but it was more like you know when your friends invite you out to eat then you always have to say no, and you know that you don't have enough money and your parents will not, so during that eight months like um yah so uh yah so um that has struck me that you i need to have savings i need to be able to manage my finances better yah so after that i learn how to say something like that and um yah so now i'm in a better place with savings (ppl) thank you yup okay so okay so i yah so i'm still working at the <unk> place but um please don't tell my dad because my dad doesn't know that i'm still (ppl) working but (ppc) that's great (ppl) okay okay yah so um i work at some local primary school so as a student care teacher so um not every day cause i have school but maybe like like one or twice a week it's a very like ad hoc basis thing so every week i can fill up my availability okay and uh yah i i say like it really helps me like save money also and um yah i don't really spend the money that i get from from this job it's just more to have savings and a backup plan yah so i've i've been working there since uh i think twenty twenty one or twenty twenty yah twenty twenty one like the end of twenty twenty one so um yah yah i think when it first happened, it was very hard er to cope yah and i had part time jobs in the past, like i used to be a grocery picker like basically you pick items from n_t_u_c and then and you put it in a box to send to people um but i will never commit to it so like i would work during the holiday and then when school started i couldn't balance my time so uh it just says a lot about my resilience lah and i and i find it quite um sad cause i couldn't keep to a routine and things like that, but i guess like now i learnt like to suck it up and yah i guess that a skill that i'm quite proud of like i can suck it up and and do things that i commit to so yah so i feel good about it yah like why is it so, the okay i think it good it makes me feel a little bit independent so like how i mentioned how i feel quite trapped right so i feel like this thing of um being able to to work part time while schooling and um it gives me a little bit of a voice i would say in a way um and i don't feel the need to tell my parents because first of all i'm not like doing anything illegal, and i just know that if i were to tell them then they will be more concerned about other things like my grades so um i think it's something that i can manage by myself and um as long as i'm still doing decently in school i think there's nothing wrong and it gives me a sense of identity as well like away from my parents so um it makes me feel secure also, so like let's say if anything happens in this house that i cannot handle i know that i have savings and i know that i'm able to support myself so i feel like it's good because it makes me a little bit more self assured and um competent in a sense yah mm how would i describe i think personally i feel like um how my parents see me and how i see myself are completely different but i don't intend to to convince them otherwise because i feel like i'm already at this end of my my um i wouldn't say journey with them but like i'm already moving on to a new phase so i feel like its just to preserve the harmony right now but (ppl) um yah i i think my self concept is very different from how my parents say so i think the parents quite negatively to be very honest um i think that they are proud of my effort but they see me as a very uh um anxious and neurotic person and i think they really believe that i am not able to take care of myself uh in terms of um just my independence, which is why they get very scared when i say like i want to go overseas i wanna you know like it's very bad because to the point where even at this age like i'm not able to like do anything that's out of the ordinary so my lifestyle in their eyes is very uniform like and i can't really do things if they're out of the ordinary even like perhaps i would say coming back <unk> into their mind like i'm not even <unk> things up because they just feel like i'm not able to take care of myself yah on the contrary like i'm able to and i've done it a lot of times before uh they just are not aware of it yah it's quite sad but it is what it is i guess yah yah no problem (ppl) can i i think and i mean parents like in singapore i feel they have this expectation they have tons of expectation um sometimes i feel like because singaporeans i don't know if every singaporeans like this but we tend to maybe some family have open communication with their kids but i feel like my family is very superficial in terms of our communication, so we don't talk about the deep things that are bothering us, we don't talk about the real issue so we just talk about the basics like as long as you've eaten and you're not dead you're good so i think this is something that a lot of singaporeans families face especially like yah and i don't mean to be racist but like cause most of my friends are chinese, so like they they also express this as well that like they don't really have deep conversation so i think this is something that a lot of singaporean families face um it it's quite sad that we don't really sit down and and ask each other like who we are so because even though you live in the same house as people, you don't really know who they are and to me it's a very common singaporean thing like sometimes my friends would just go in their house and their parents would not even acknowledge them but then they stay in the same household right so um yah i i just think that it's a singaporean thing lah like we don't really take the time to really get to know the people around our life and um yah low point uh mm okay i would say maybe hm let me think so like the first one would be uh yah the first one would be that period during o levels where i couldn't sleep at night i think when your mental health is affected it quite um debilitating in a sense because um you don't know what's going on and it's quite sad cause i feel like my parents have no awareness of mental health then, and uh they didn't know what was going on so the way they handled it also made my mental health worse so uh i think that was a very low point for me because i didn't know what to do and my parents didn't know what to do, yah so that was hard, and then another low point for me would be okay then (ppl) okay yah okay maybe another one would just be the one where uh like so i i i had savings for a while cause i started working in twenty twenty one right and then uh yah so i got scammed a lot of money because thought i was taking up a job but then yah so i got scammed i think i got scammed like three thousand five hundred dollars and uh all my savings were like half of it was wiped out so that was very hard for me cause until today my parents don't know that i got scammed because i don't have deep conversation to them right so uh yah it was something that i had to deal with by myself and it was so bad yah sorry yah i guess it was uh oh like because like it's a lot of money and i didn't know what to do and it was so bad to the point where i thought i was going to jail yah and then i i talked to it to my my friends and they were like no i think you got scammed, you should make a police report so that's what i did and um yah uh no i think yeah <unk> yah my dreams or hopes uh i would say say that in the future i definitely wanna be comfortable financially, uh i don't think i have such high expectations of myself but just like comfortable eventually and i would wanna be able to travel around the world and i definitely wanna be able to give back to my parents uh yah but i wanna be a little bit more independent, and like not stay with them regardless of whether i am married or not yah so that's my hopes and dreams (ppl) yah (ppl) thank you next chapter, i i would wanna work full time uh and i that ya i think i want to be able to travel in my next chapter like i think something that i put on hold for so long and i just want to be able to do that yah and if possible i want to get married as well because of singapore's rule no choice no <unk> but yah i would like to get married by the age of like twenty six if possible yah yah uh i would say one of the greatest challenge would be the financial aspect of things like it uh it was very very difficult like even though saying it is just a summary of what happened i think when you are actually living it every single day, it's very scary it was during the, the worst part was the eight month phase because um to me it's like you're not on good terms with the people you care about number one number two, uh you're dealing with other stressors like school and then, number three you are not financially stable and you don't know who to go to for help so it was very very like volatile for me cause it was hard and how i cope was um i would write about how i feel and i would try to like do things healthily like go for runs and stuff, to like kind of clear my mind but it was very scary knowing that everyday you don't know what to expect yah and i guess it was really difficult yah but it's over now (ppl) yeah sure how is the challenge developed or how did it like develop myself okay okay how it develop i guess it like snowballed because it started with having a certain amount in my bank account right and then there's necessities that i need to purchase right so i my facial stuff, my you know right basic stuff like deodorant, sanitary pad, those kind of thing and then um i realised that i had to cut a lot of my usual activities so snowballed because i couldn't meet my friends and i couldn't tell them why um and it was quite hard because they didn't understand and some of my friends, most of my friends study overseas because they were from poly and then they couldn't enter the university took the opportunity to go overseas and then when they came back i couldn't even meet them because they'll be like hey you know we're coming back were going to be at the airport and like i can't even travel because i don't want to waste money right and they didn't understand so they would think that i didn't want to be their friend anymore, or like things like that but it's really nothing to do with that, it's just that i had to choose my battle so i guess it's snowball because it affected other areas of my life yah and then um yah so other things also that were hard was that like my diet changed so like um because i didn't want to burden my grandparents every single day right there was some days that i stayed in hall so um when i did stay in hall i didn't want to waste money so i would um cook like one pot of meals and i will eat the same food for like four days yah so so i guess like a lot of things were very hard so i felt super super poor and i felt very frustrated because my parents could afford to support me but because of like what has happened um i couldn't rely on them lah so it snowballed so i guess that's how it developed and then um i guess um there was no specific incident that's the weird thing it's just that like um it's little pockets of non verbal behaviours cause we don't have deep conversation so it's just little pockets of non verbal behaviours that made me realised that my mental health is being affected so for example like um there was once where i i went out like and i came back quite late and um but after that like i realised my parents were not talking to and i didn't know why uh and then i i try to think of why i couldn't pinpoint why and then then they started being really cold and i didn't understand it so it's just these little thing or like for example um there was once my dad, he was picking me up from hall and then my dad saw me walking with two guys and no i think yah i was always from a girl school and like how i say my parents see me as a certain artifact right so when they see me hanging out with guys, until today they are not used to it so um my dad started being very um cold on the drive home and it sounds very trivial but it influences me a lot like it affects me a lot so like it gets so bad to the point where my dad might have like sudden outbursts so like sometimes he will not talk to me and then when he does talk to me he'll shout yah and it's very traumatic for me so um it triggers my side of like yah even though i'm not doing anything bad, it just triggers my side of like so um how i see is that my my parents always assume that i am up to no good which is very unhealthy lah but it's how i <unk> because of the way they react to me and um so what i do is that i i stay in my room a lot right when you stay in your room a lot uh and it's very hard to come out to the living room it affects your mental health cause it's like staying in jail like you just stay in one place uh so i knew that i couldn't cope like that and it's to the point where like they will not take care of my meal and i had to source out on my own own food um yah because i think they held a grudge and i held a grudge so it just didn't work out so one day i was like okay you know i'm going to go to a place that's filled with love and acceptance because i need it and yah i need to get through school so um i left but i told them that i was leaving uh yah and then i just left i mean at first they thought it was like a two to three days thing cause i'm very close to my grandparents uh but it became an eight months thing so <unk> so yah i guess that's when it hit them something is not right lah yah yah i think they're okay with it because i have an aunt and she stays in that particular room that i stay in but um she lives in australia so um my grandparents felt like unfortunately, i don't know how you you're gonna see this but they felt like i was their replacement child in a sense so they were completely okay with it lah but uh they kept advising me to obviously patch with my parents but they didn't understand that there were a lot of things that had to be unpacked right cause they're really old so to them it's like aiya just just forgive them just you know but but it's more than that lah so uh it was quite frustrating sometimes i would say when they would say like you, and they're very religious so they will be like you know like god tells us that we have to be respectful to our parents, but i guess there's a difference between like filial piety and like having a little bit of rights for yourself so so yah that was something that i had to kind of like just distance and then like deal with it myself yah okay how did i address or deal with it um yah definitely on thinking about the issue during my down time so usually like my day's packed right with a lot of things and before i go to bed i would i would um yah i would think about the issue lah like obviously its in a bad place, so i would visual it out and i already know what i want to do which is obviously to to pack things back up lah but um just prepping yourself for that process every day, kind of gears you up to face the real thing cause i am terrified of my parents, like not in a healthy way so um yah, so i guess just one day i also like okay you know what like let's just drop them check <unk> they responded positively so that's great right uh and then uh they were like of course you can come back and things like that so i think back and um yah so for the first one month like both of us didn't know how to go dealing to the issue again so very superficial conversation and then uh one day like i sat them down and i was like okay like you know like, we need to talk about what happened yah and that's where the conversation happened and i told them exactly how i felt yah so i think that's how it became a bit better like how i dealt with it uh i didn't tell them everything like me working or like me not having enough to eat the next day but it was more of like a eh you know i think you should chill on the expectation yah i would think the significance is that um <unk> i think i learned that uh you cannot really rely, okay this is quite sad, but you cannot really rely on other people yah ah even if it's emotionally or financially or anything like i think you need to be uh self serving to a very large extent and uh i think that your like the the things the things you think about um shapes your reality so um yah i guess i got rid of a lot of like negative self talk as well, like the only person that's going to like validate you is yourself and you need to be self assured so i think that's something that i have but um yah the double edged sword i guess cause then they are like super independent right but i think it's better to be super independent than super reliant yah so my outlook on life uh i would say that um i am someone who embraces making mistakes so i am i'm very put down the way i see things, i i don't believe in like a one track mindset uh i believe that failure is very okay, so i think that's the way i see it yah i don't have a lot of expectations of myself in life okay, for me i think i always ask myself uh if this brings me closer to where i want to be in the future so i just maybe like i would envision myself like if five years five and i ask myself okay this action that i'm taking, how will it impact me in five years so that's like the way i see things, in the decisions that i make sorry could you oh guide my sense of right and wrong right um let me think about that, uh i think uh i i don't really have a sense of whats right and wrong, i ask myself if doing this will make me happy yah yeah so yah that's that's the only question i ask myself i think yah i think right now it has deferred in terms of um the way i see things, it's more of what's in it from me than will this decision influence the way my parents will perceive me or like what other people think i think that's something that i'm trying to break free from because that mentality of consistently caring about what your loved ones would think it's very detrimental to your own growth so i think that's something that has changed from then mm a community or group uh i would say not really necessarily a community, but uh i think the like five close people, like my friends like my five close friends that i'm close to to define me a lot i feel like the way they perceive situations and the way they make decisions influences the way i make decisions too, like i'm heavily inspired by their grit and tenacity towards certain things and it puts things into perspective for me so i would say they influence me to to adopt certain mindsets and perceptions of how i see things so yah but community wise not really yah okay um i think strangely enough the five people that i'm very close to are highly very religious people which is completely different from me uh but how do i say this like i feel like they kind of ground me in terms of the things that i want to do so uh because it's different when it's coming from your friends compared to your parents right so uh like i have all these like ambitions and like dreams and without caring about like religion and things like that but then my friends would care about religion a lot and sometimes like they put things into perspective for me cause then um and mellow down a little bit so i feel like it's good to have these friends because even though they are as driven as me not more and even though they are like in the same life trajectory like um they're kind of like a good balance but i feel like they kind of mellow me down a little bit, and ground me and like tell me like look like you need to chill like you know sometimes your expectations can be a bit over like you need to be a bit more realistic that kind of thing, so i guess it influences me to think in the perspective of my parents also lah yah yah mm yeah basically they they they are the middle ground between my parents and i, so they are a good mix of yah, they are good mix of being ambitious and being very um religious i would say like conservative yah i think that's the better word to describe it yah yah (ppb) anything else uh not really no yah <unk> can okay no worries okay no, i'm okay yeah sorry what time yah yah <unk> i three thirty yah yah okay so i'm describing the key stories of singapore okay yah i don't know anything, but i will just share so um i would say the first one yah okay first one, maybe um, the the the person i think his name is sang nila utama so that is the title and then um i would title it lion, cause i know that sang nila utama spotted the lion okay and uh that's the first section and then uh i think maybe it was, i know singapore <unk> last time and then i think the british people came to singapore and then um they took over singapore for a while so i would label it like ancient days so then uh that's all i know actually and then maybe the second phase is when um singapore and malaysia is like one nation so yah then uh i would say i will label it malaysia because born in malaysia <ah> <unk> <unk> that's all i know yah, and then um separation is the third one because um i know that singapore like moved out of malaysia <unk> then like yah <unk> the third one and then the fourth one i would say is majulah because singapore progressed on to become a little bit more independent and then they set their own goals themselves and then yah and then fifth one it's just metropolitan city because singapore uh started like being really known for their trade in spices and things like that and then um they started having like um good like uh yah trade and things like that, so <ha> that's the fifth one and then six uh i would say, city because uh singapore it's like so great now like everything so yah three key events i think the first one would be um maybe like when the japanese came over and then they started killing everyone i think that was the key event because people cannot stop talking about it, and that's something that i know so it must have been a key event yah i think that was in terms of what i remember learning in social studies and then another key event i would say is when singapore uh split from malaysia uh i think it's a key event cause i remember seeing like a lot of videos of like lee kuan yew crying i guess that's pretty eventful, and then the third one i would say is when lee kuan yew died i think it was pretty prominent, because i remember like my secondary school teacher was teaching in class halfway, and then he started crying out of nowhere, and i didn't understand, and um people were like oh yeah he's sad because lee kuan yew died, and i was like oh okay so like pretty important and like this person probably a reputable person and like it's a big thing lah so i guess these are three main key events okay, i think the japanese occupation, the only thing i can remember not that i live through it, but from the stories is that um yah, so my great grandmother told me this story before, so basically the japanese will like come in, and then come into the houses of the different races, and i knew they hated the chinese yah, so they didn't like the chinese at all but then um they were like okay with the malays and indians i think and then uh what they would do is they they take your uh rice so they love the rice and then they will take the rice, but then they will yah the like the people who were in the houses would rely on um sweet potato to survive so my great grandmother, she was pregnant with my grandma then, and then um the japanese actually let them off the hook cause my grandmother, she looked uh like one of them so then uh they kind of like let her off i guess yah, but then like other people, like a lot of people died lah but yah the only thing i can can remember is what they ate, and the rationing that happened that's all okay (ppl) unfortunately, i didn't really feel anything i mean it happened every day long time ago, and i'm sorry that it happened i wasn't there to kind of like relive it and yeah so i i mean it's sad, but uh yeah i i don't actually feel but or anything yah i think it's significant because they took over our land and uh that's all i think they took over our land and uh yeah and i think nothing else really happens to singapore, like in terms of like terrorist attacks or whatever like it was a big thi~ thing what this says about singapore i i i guess um i think maybe i'm glad that singapore has like amended ties in japan now, and like now when you talk about japan, you don't go like i will remember the the thing that happen like ages age like you know so i guess like this shows how how uh things are very different now now and singapore has progressed and like good relations are made also in japan and it is much better now so like yah i i think shows that singapore progresses really well and how it knows what it's doing so that's great i think i feel quite neutral to a bit i don't think i feel more connected or less connected or because i really honestly don't know much about it so can't really say yah okay i think um i i don't know when it happened probably nineteen sixty five (ppb) i think lee kuan yew was like at the padang or something and then um the time <unk> that that he's <unk> from malays uh yah i remember like the video that was shown in social studies where like everybody was there and like it was very like sad thing lah yah to me, i think it made me feel a bit more connected to singa because um a lot of things would be very different if singapore was a part of malaysia, like i think um in terms of how the schools are going to be and in terms of like how um yah cause malaysia is pretty strict on like a lot of things so i feel like um it'll be very different mah, and i don't think singapore will be as um progressive as yesterday if you were still under malaysia so it makes me feel connected to singapore mm i think when i saw it um it made me realise like how passionate like lee kuan yew was, in in terms of like helping singapore prosper um because to me, i don't think i will ever cry on a job so uh to me that was like quite eye opening um but it made me feel feel like um quite grateful that he was like our leader because um he was really passionate and was like fighting for us, so i just thought that was nice um yah but then at the same time like i feel i feel like the way he shaped singapore is uh has evolved into something that can be quite unhealthy and uniform-like and i think that's just the side effect of his values um but uh yah i think for the most part he's done more good than harm and he's dead so it's it's best to see the good side of things yah, i think it it just says how singapore has prospered tremendously and that's a great thing, and i think that uh it shows how singapore is very capable, uh despite being very small and um not good at much like we don't have a lot of resources land is scarce, but i think it says a lot about the importance of making good relations with your neighbouring countries and uh so and singapore's really safe too so i think um this yah i find it great that makes <unk> clean yah this event as in lee kuan yew prof like yep what event are we talk~ yah it makes me feel more connected i think the second one yah the split yah more connected for sure, cause um i felt like lee kuan yew was like fighting for our right, so quite impactful mm-hm okay uh, he was my physics teacher, job he wasn't my social studies teacher uh which makes it more <unk> yeah so it was during physics class and um he was going through some concept on the slide, and then he started coughing (ppl) um i didn't think much of it and then he started drink water and i also didn't think much of it, and then he said he needed to leave the classroom for a while i didn't think much of it also so he left, and then he came in and then he was still coughing and then suddenly he just bawled, so i thought it was like a personal issue that he had or something and he was like sorry i'm just really sad, that lee kuan yew is no longer around yah and then it hit me that like the older generation really like feel so touched by him and it's sad that i cannot like relate, but i guess i can empathise, yah and it was a key event for me because i would never think that my physics teacher was like somebody that was capable of doing that uh but it really made me think lah about like how impactful like this man was yeah i think it just shows how uh how much uh like lee kuan yew has like influenced the people, the older generation around me and i remembered like my physics teacher's saying like oh this man like help me or something like that like he helped me get out of something, like he helped my family get out or something, things like that so um actually on that day i went home and i told my family about it and then my grandma shared about having her own personal experience of inviting lee kuan yew to like their house or something, and then they had like nasi briyani or something like that lah so i think back then singapore was much smaller so i guess maybe that happened i don't know but uh it just felt quite interesting that the older the older generation tries to make links about how they personally know lee kuan yew even if it was just like a glimpse of a second like you know <unk> maybe shook hands before or like, we talked about something before, so it it shows how like he's very impressionable and like uh they still remember it until today so it's quite cool because now if you like we don't really go like eh you know like lee hsien loong like has shook my hand before, like we don't really talk about it but like the older generation it's like so important yah so i think it just says that uh singapore, the older generation um really admire this man uh i don't know about, i i know that the chinese really admire lee kuan yew, but i i feel like maybe the malay not really like him as much i think it's because of just how he emphasises on like a secular education and like how everybody is equal and things like that when the malays could have benefited if they were under the the under malaysia so i guess this is just like a small thing but then i i think for the most part um yah he has helped singapore lah yah yah i think it makes me feel a little bit more connected because uh to see people getting uh very touched by this man, makes me feel like uh abit ungrateful, because like i see it and i can't really relate, so it puts things into perspective lah that um a lot has happened from like nineteen sixty time until like now and so yah it makes me grateful high point in singapore er i think maybe, i honestly don't know but i think maybe one of it would be how singapore has one of the strongest passports in the world i think that's quite uh prominent um singapore having one of passport in the world like er yah so i think quite good indicator of how prosperous your country is and how a lot of people would like to settle down in this country people from all over the world yah i think it's great because like um which shows how diverse the country is, and i think think another indicator would be how we are able to coexist by coming from different races and background i think it's a good thing because not every country is like this and um think that's great that's all <unk> yah the passport one i have no idea (ppl) uh i just saw it on straits times so yah i have no idea but i think it's just the sum of like how singapore like leverages on trading and and like business relation so yah i don't know then the second one um i just i think it's just from the beginning like how lee kuan yew emphasises on like equal opportunities for everyone like meritocracy and things like that so i think that's how we evolved to to getting along really well so that's great i think um i'm really really glad that singapore embraces all races and religion for that matter um that's something that i'm very proud of um cause i i feel like we're the only country that does that i think even malaysia can't do that because they put priority on the malay muslim so i feel like and this is something that i'm proud of and i think that the yah i think it makes me feel very connected to singapore in that sense yah cause i don't really see myself as like <unk> malay <unk> or this person's indian la <unk> the singaporean so yah mm i i guess yah i think it makes me feel more connected to singapore uh because it's it's not just about like the races i guess but like maybe also like the the food uh the culture i say like we are the only country that is able to to appreciate different cultures like i would celebrate like holy festival with my friends or i would be able to to go to my chinese friend's house uh to eat for example like hotpot right so like i feel like it makes us very um globalised citizens like we are very aware of the different cultures and we're not like discriminatory towards it either, we kind of embrace it which is nice yup i think it's it's really good because i don't know it's good like cause it doesn't allow us to have like wars like other countries you know like um feel like it makes us very um bonded and united which is very important for very small country um and i guess it allows integration within your own family as well like um yah so uh for example uh in my family, like er my my dad is malay right but then like my my mum like comes from like various races so she's like the rojak of the family uh but it's just really nice because she doesn't identify as one singular like race you know so she incorporates like all the different races and things like that so it's quite nice to be able to grow up in a family that uh celebrate different things but then like we identify as malays but then like we do celebrate a lot of different things, and i guess like for me personally <unk> <unk> i'm not like bounded to like only hanging out with a certain race or like dating a certain race like my parents are pretty open with that so it's quite nice because i get to learn from other cultures as well, and it's just the way we see the world i guess like it's not very narrow minded and i think that's very important in terms of living life you know if you're very like narrow minded then is quite sad so i guess that's a good thing yah okay low point uh actually i really don't know <unk> but um uh i would say maybe one the only thing i can think of now because i can't think of anything else would be like covid, i think that was the low point because um i felt like that was the first time that i feel like the singapore government did not really uh live up to um the way i thought they would like they were quite inefficient and and ineffective in their strategies in the beginning, and it kind of like influence us like the citizens i don't know if you remember but they were like yah you know like don't need to wear the mask, and then they were like wear the mask and then they it was just so confusing and then i felt like they didn't really give us a good timeline of what to expect also and it was quite annoying because i mean it's not within their control but so annoying because i didn't know what to expect and it was very frustrating cause it's like you don't know how long you have to live like that you know and the social distancing thing really impact impacted me i didn't like it so um i think that was a very low point yah but other than that i can't really think of like any major low point yah but to me that was like kind of ineffective okay yah yes yah i guess maybe um <ppo> i i don't really know but then like i know that the medicines were all like having kind of <unk> right and then like they kept going back and forth with their rules when i was watching and it was very funny cause it was like two weeks later they will say another thing and then two weeks before they were saying another thing and then so inefficient uh like the way they handled the whole situation like i remembered receiving whatsapp chat every single day from the government website right about like how many people got covid and it was just so demoralising, to see like every single day the numbers kept rising you know and then um not having a timeline of when we can remove our mask or when the social distancing will be like lifted the bans and stuff, like it was still so bad and i felt like singapore didn't really like live up it's like efficient standard yah and it was just something that i wasn't really used to yah yah i think when it happened i just felt a lot of like unfairness because i mean if you see america like they had the decision to choose if they wanted to wear mask a lot and i felt like singapore talks a lot about um being very modernised and very like like you know like are not traditional, but then they still emphasise on how like you have to wear your mask and it's a must if not you're gonna get fined and and things like that and i just felt like we kind of like regress a little bit because like what happened to independence what happened to um being modern, what happened to you know being er developed like i felt like that mentality was gone and and it surprised me that singaporean would abide by the law and like really use their mask like properly and things like that i just felt like yah i felt a bit like oh-my is this north korea you know but um yah yah like i'm glad that we're out of it now yah i felt like it was kind of like a low point a little bit yah uh okay i i think it's just really bad because it impacted like the lifestyle decision so for example people had to be like let off from work because of this, and then i know of like my friends whose parents are fishmongers and then they have like six they have six siblings right and then suddenly like they tell me like oh my dad got sacked from work and then what happens like people's lifelihoods are gone, you know and then like uh i hear things like uh for example, because of covid like my friends who want to study um overseas cannot go overseas right so it puts a hold on their decision making also, then it's like for two years they just ended up working in singapore or like they don't do anything with their two years also, and then it's just quite it's like we regress lah, so i i thought like the singapore government could have handled it better so these things are mitigated yah but then again i know that they didn't foresee this, but i thought um forward thinking is something that lee kuan yew is known for, so like his son should take after that yeah mm i think it makes me feel i would say the covid thing make me feel a bit less connected to singapore because uh i felt like uh my morals didn't align to the decisions that singapore made i don't think vaccine should be like a must to take i also don't think that we should wear mask like if not we're going to get fine, i think it <unk>, i think it just perpetuates this mentality of like you should be doing things or like you just <unk> us into that culture of like expectations again and i just don't align with that at all but i believe in like being liberal and like yah so i think it makes me feel less connected yah i guess it it gave the singapore's not perfect right, but uh i don't think singapore did unnecessarily like terrible job but i i feel like it makes me realise that um ironically that like people put in a lot of effort to run singapore and it's nice that they give us like the the relief packages, like i think we got like a couple of hundred dollars so it's nice that they did that lah but then at the same time uh it made me realise that there's a lot of effort that goes into planning for our nation and it makes me realise that these leaders are human and that they can also make mistakes right so i think it made me a bit more aware that we should be grateful that singapore is what it is today yah okay i would say erm i don't know if this is related but i really want the the you know the the train there's this like high speed bullet train from singapore to k_l i really want it to happen, because um i think it helps us like with in terms of transportation situation and like i don't know if it is actually happening i think like plans have been going back and forth but i know that like anwar the malaysian president like really want it to happen and i want it to happen okay that's the dream i have for singapore another yah another thing i guess, would be yah i don't really have much, but i guess singapore to continue being safe and secure and if possible like free from like terrorist attack i mean we're not in control of that but uh that's something that i hope singapore continues to have, because uh i think yah it's remarkable how we haven't actually gotten a terrorist attack, it's so strange but yah <unk> how like diverse we are and how weak we are are right so yah um i guess in the next step i hope to see more of the like more of the other singapore parties um taking seat in the parliament i i think that the p_a_p really be like covers quite a large space in terms of the parliamentary decisions that are made and it creates like a very um strong echo chamber of opinions and i guess it's good to have like more parties questioning the decisions of the p_a_p, because then it's great because then we feel more safe and secure singaporeans that the decisions that are being made is for the benefit of the people yah because right now like from the things i'm hearing from the older generation it's always like so you know like the p_a_p don't really care about our well being and things like that so i guess having more parties in some different <unk> yah like not the just p_a_p like can really like make us feel more assured that uh the policies that are being uh met out is for the benefit of us lah yah yah mm okay i think one of it is how <unk> land property like i feel like right now singapore has no space at all and it's going become a very big issue because right now like our houses are getting smaller and smaller and more expensive and i just think it's quite ridiculous like i currently stay in a five room but i don't know what it's called but like a five room d_b_s_s and then like um it's very very small and it's very expensive and it's very small so it kind of makes me very worried as a singaporean like if i were to get my own house, how small would it be you know because i definitely cannot afford a five room d_b_s_s immediately but then you know my house is gonna be damn tiny so i guess like space is an issue, and um even like i know our grave like cause i am like i grew up from a muslim family so even our graves are like that like they would like just bury on top of like other people and i just feel like it's quite sad but um yah i think land is an issue that we will eventually have to like i don't know sort out because how high can you build your buildings right yah and then um i think another problem that i see singapore having is um perhaps like i still think that even though we empathize a lot on like racial harmony and things like that i think like discrimination still occurs uh but i wouldn't say it's discrimination now i think maybe it's more of like ignorance um i think um because i am like a minority right and then coming into like uni it's very very like remarkable to see how ignorant these people are as in the majority like they really don't know anything about like culture like the muslim culture and and and like basically it's a minority culture lah and it's just quite sad to see that they don't know what's going on i wouldn't say they are discriminatory, i just think that <unk> and it's because they like have never been exposed to to such like minority people cause they always grew up in like a step school or like <unk> school you know so it's like quite sad that it happens and then the moment they see a malay that is like slightly liberal or like indian that is slightly liberal then they think that you're super cool but there's nothing to glorify right so um yah i just think it's a bit um sad that this is happening and i think that more singaporeans should be a bit more aware of the different cultures yah and maybe another thing that i see as a problem is that the culture in organisations in singapore um are also like that, so i feel like we are not very integrated in terms of the culture in organisations, i feel like there are there are organisations that are very like chinese culture based and then there are the newer organisations that are more integrated in terms of like adopting more like flexible um cultures that incorporate all the races because i still feel like there are organisations that only hire like chinese speaking people that kind of thing it's still not necessary right but yah i think it just developed from um people not wanting to know more, like i just think that singapore settled for the bare minimum like as long as we are able to live amicably that's it but um i still think that efforts need to be made to kind of educate people on the different religions and how just because you're a malay doesn't mean you're a muslim you know things like <unk>, it's like people still cannot tell the difference between being hindu and being an indian you know which is (ppl) so i i just think that more people need to be educated yeah i don't think singapore does enough i mean we have like our civic and moral education and then our like like racial harmony days where we wear different people's clothes okay but i think uh we need to penetrate it abit further and like have more talks about it like open discussions about it, have panels, have workshops you know like right now, the government is like talking a lot about mental health like they having youth panels about it but then we stopped talking about racial harmony anymore, just cause we are able to live amicably but i think a lot more can be done to kind of um keep up with the different cultures yah i guess um i guess it's like a double edged sword because the more we don't really talk about the different races right the more we focus on just a very general idea of what makes a singaporean a singaporean right because all the individual are like kind of put to the background and then you have one archetype of a singaporean right but then it makes us lose heritage of our background, our mother tongue and it makes us less proud of our own culture right so i know of a lot of my friends who are minorities, who kind of always say like i suck at my mother tongue or i'm not good at speaking malay i'm not good at speaking, yah lor like whatever minority race you are from just call it cooler to just define herself as singaporean right but i see it as a problem because i think you need to to have your heritage is your <unk> to certain extent and be proud of it you know and educate people on it because yah i i think it's important to do that yah no i think singaporean have a very uh work until you die mentally so they have a very like hustle like culture, so things are very fast paced and um i think the kind of belief that um singaporeans have is very it's all about forward planning and planning for the future but never to stop and live in the moment that's something that i think singaporeans would live by and then secondly i think uh yah, i think singaporeans are very negative people i think we always see the glass as half empty and they are not positive people they are very fight for your right, very kan chiong, ⁇ uh kia su uh and you can see it in your everyday life, like we're not the kind of people who will like hold the door for an auntie or like you're driving you will never give way, always like what's in it for me what's in it for me very competitive i think, and uh i think it's the culture that we have mm i would say singapore's most important value is i would say meritocracy i think that uh giving equal opportunities to everyone is something that is always emphasized uh but whether it's done is something else, but i think that's just the value that they always take pride yep and uh yah i would say that's the most important value what drives singapore's sense of right and wrong i think singapore looks at it from the perspective of will this make singapore safer and uh how can we make more money yah i think these are the yah these are the two things that um drive singapore uh yah because i think singapore is very vulnerable in terms of its safety, so it's always appealing other countries so they always take on a neutral stand towards things uh because you just <unk> think a little a little bit more safe lah so they will never like be very opinionated their opinions regarding things that are happening in neighbouring countries yah no no i don't know anything else story of singapore (ppl) okay hello i see you i think i feel proud that singapore has evolved to where it is today yah still grateful that i am being like raised in this country, because i feel like if i were not born in singapore i might not be given the opportunity to have access to so you know like education or even clean drinking water or like um just a safe space that i can live in i'm grateful for that and i feel very safe like i don't think i need to think about like bombs or terrorists attacks so i feel like grateful that um i live in such a country yah and i think singapore has done more good than harm lah, so uh i'm quite glad that i stay in singapore yah mm to the story of singapore, yah i don't really feel so connected just cause i didn't live through it and um i feel like my parents didn't really live through it either so um my direct point of contact didn't really go through it, so they don't have much to share about how great singapore was you know but i don't think i feel very connected to that, but i still connected to what singapore is today i think it's just how we are very very like modern or just our culture in general like how we we are proud of singlish right uh we are proud of like the local cuisine uh i think that's what makes me a singaporean and what i'm proud of, like i feel connected in that aspect right, but i don't feel connected in terms of like um understanding the history of singapore and like how it evolved over time, like i don't really feel much towards it but i'm glad it happened yup i think multiculturalism is more than just being tolerant i think it's about being open minded to experience what goes in a culture i think to say that you got multicultural is one thing but the extent that you're willing to put yourself in to different culture situation is in another and very little singaporeans are willing to do that, so i think to me multiculturalism is uh seeing it as a <unk> a different culture as part of someone but it doesn't necessarily make up the entire person uh and i also think multiculturalism means being aware of the key event in another culture and uh the key uh maybe practices, norms, or like values in that culture, you know just because you can identify a malay or an indian doesn't mean that you're multicultural right so i think it's important to be <unk> in that aspect yah um i think meritocracy is great because um like it's a good thing right equal options that everyone everyone have equal opportunities to to shine like last time it was good because um everybody wanted that, like after the british left right but then i feel like uh now it's more of a detrimental thing, because uh if everybody starts off at different playing fields because of like your s_e_s especially like if you have access to tuition and you have access to connection, then you have access to better schools right and uh you get to have re~ like education resources, like from external places apart from your school, so you just slowly grow faster than your peers right and then that's already like a head start, then from there it's easier to get into j_c also because you already got the the grades for it, and then it's easier for you to get into uni also, because of the connections that you have so i feel like it kind of like it's detrimental because like not everyone has that opportunity for tuition, not everyone has the opportunity to have the connection you know and i think one way, i'm not saying that like meritocracy should be eradicated altogether, i think it's good but i think the way we define meritocracy to <unk> i think like things like <unk> should be taken out because we don't need it anymore, like last time is because they saw uh china being lucrative like business market right fine but then now it's very different already, so i don't know why we still have that like yah so, yah i just uh think that the singapore government can do more to emphasize on on what meritocracy is really is yah and we have to be aware of the different starting points that we have right now, uh because um yah, i think it's still exist yah so maybe more help can be given to the lower s_e_s people also (uh to make sure that they start at an even playing field from other people yah because even if like okay, let's say like you know like d_s_a in secondary school, and things like that right, they look at your extra talent but even these extra talents you can only get through having money to start your kids you know for like basketball lessons or dance lessons, like if you don't have money 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JYE33226_140723_1400_1.docx | mm so far so good okay sure uh maybe i start with uh a brief one um before i came to singapore okay um actually i study my university uh degree in malaysia, because i'm uh i'm born in malaysia, so i study my degree in malaysia and there is a chance where in the university my uh there is this uh lecturer came from uh singapore to malaysia, and give us some uh topic of uh some knowledge and lecturing for few lesson lah so at the end of this uh lesson, they eventually uh start to ask us whether we are interested to come into singapore so um to us it's a chance for me to come into singapore, because uh it um okay for malaysian we need to come to malay uh singapore to work i think we need to purposely come to singapore for <unk>, but um for me is a very uh very lucky experience where uh these lecturer eventually offer us directly in uh before i graduate so i get an offer right before i graduate so once i graduate, i got a chance to come into singapore to work so erm i take up the offer to come into singapore and one of the reason why i choose this is because as a fresh grad you don't need to go for any interview either in singapore or malaysia, to me is a very attractive lah, so like you don't need to go for the hassle or what so i came in to s~ i came to singapore about eight years plus ago, and with a few of my coursemate so once we subsequently we i think once i finish my exam like within one or two months, i uh directly came to singapore so i don't have any work experience in malaysia frankly speaking, because uh once i graduate i came to singapore so i move to the second part where i have came to singapore when i first started, i first started with uh three other ex colleague we look for we look for this um room rental in singapore, with another uh because three of uh total four of us ah, one uh two female and two male, ex uh ex coursemate ah sorry uh so we rent a room in singapore, and then we try to settle down we <unk> i think it's somewhere near uh east coast marine ter~ marine terrace, because uh the workplace is in katong, so we stay there nearby where it's easier for us to um commute to workplace and because of um this bachelor is actually hiring us from university where they did the same process to my senior, so in this company we actually got a lot of malaysian where we having the same culture, same background from same university kind you know so for me is a very easy adapt uh culture and easy that work workplace, including staying in singapore is not a a problem for me ah because i got a a housemate which is my ex coursemate, which you know each other very well so this is how we start off in singapore but of course moving uh uh along the way, there are some differences and there are some changes in mindset, and we go apart from this uh company for me myself after four years in the same company, i move on to um another industry okay for the first one is a construction industry, where i work as a consultant q_s, and subsequently i change to a i_t company which is a contractor q_s based but i joined there for one year, when i feel like it's not suitable me, and that's why i subsequently move to another um company which is a facilities management company in this facility management company is the place where i met most of the singaporean okay, because as i mentioned just now, my first company is actually recruiting a lot of malaysian so actually (ppl) really when i go into this company is like ninety percent is malaysian, even is singaporean a lot of them is actually a malaysia converted singaporean so we actually having the same language jar so when i change to this facility management company right, is i met quite a number of singaporean, and which the topic that we thought is relatively different from previous, which i found like mm is quite attractive right because um before i came to malay uh sorry uh before i came to singapore right, actually we are having a mindset on singaporean i i'm so sorry i i okay because we are having a very not not really a friendly mindset on singaporean lah we feel like sometimes these singaporean are like very uh kiasu or kiasu kind of things, or where they or where or sometimes they are actually um like proud of themselves of course lah after i met this uh group of people in per~ uh this uh current company right, then i feel eh actually they are quite fun, they're actually nothing different from us actually some it's just that um the topic they concern is different from us, but in general life it's quite it's quite a good um how to say ah, it's a friendly colleagues where where we can actually talk about nonsense thing or what, we we can like criticise the uh the the the government or we criticise the citizen or whatever things, uh or even we talked bad about malaysia together or what i mean like it's a it's a something change in a mindset, a change in the way of perception towards singaporean so i feel um it's a change of this there is a transition on this um process lah, where i think you have to walk out and meet a lot of people, then would then only you realise eh actually the world is much bigger or is actually different from what you see from internet or the previous person who <unk> uh uh who tell you something yah i think all this you have to based on um your real life uh how how you met the people, and what kind of people you have met yah, so that's generally uh what i uh yah what i can think of lah mm i think there are total of three sections, where the first part is before i came to singapore, subsequently what other parts is i came to singapore where the first part is more on uh how i adapt myself in singapore, make myself comfortable, and subsequently moving to the last part is uh i explore more on singapore okay um the first keu went i would say is uh came into singapore, and the second event i would say is i getting married in singapore, and the third event is the decision of getting a house in singapore okay so these are the three events then so maybe i start with the first event okay coming into singapore is uh as i mentioned just now, is um i think is uh something that make me change totally because if in malay if i stay in malaysia, i believe i will be staying back um together with my family i came to singapore right although with a few uh three other uh ex coursemate with my ex uh which is also my ex colleague, but um but there is nothing else i have in singapore so uh it's actually a brand new start for me where i have to stay away from my home because uh from uh my hometown is actually ipoh, so if i travel back that time, i think you need about eight hours without any jamming, if it's festive season then will be a longer time so for me myself uh when i first start lah quite poor lah, so uh i cannot afford aeroplane, so we usually take bus that means like we everyday uh that means not everyday maybe like uh every three months, then only i travel back to my hometown with bus and actually at that point of time i'm still thinking of okay maybe days after like uh two three years later, i would want to go back to malaysia, although ah yah uh i just want to like start to experience my life in singapore, earn some money, uh keeps some money because uh i think at that point of time is like one sing dollar is about two two thirty malaysia ringgit about there lah i cannot clearly, so to me is still like okay uh just uh save some money, uh go back, uh to enjoy an easy life or what because um after i came to singapore for about a year, i bought a home in malaysia because my home in malaysia is quite cheap lah it's like hundred k sing dollar, is about hundred k sing dollar only so for me like every every month i just need to keep aside of six hundred sing dollar, then i can actually afford the loan what my mortgage loan in malaysia so i and it's a very decent house or a double storey terrace house or what, so i bought it so that at that point of time my mindset is still very firm lah, okay i went to go back to malaysia after two years, three years, or even the most five years, i just need to like uh pay back my loan then i can start to have a mm happy life in malaysia but uh subsequently after getting after covid right, then everything change so after covid then subsequently i move to the second important event in my life, uh i talked about this uh marriage so uh i think covid is about two years plus that time, after two years plus that time, uh we start to think of uh want to get um uh settle down in singapore because uh that this is not easy it it means uh that time i think it's about almost thirty years old uh twenty nine years old about there, i can't remember um i cannot like keep on waiting until like uh covid officially end, and then they go back to malaysia for marriage uh that's why uh we discuss i discuss with my uh husband that time and then okay we decided to uh having our marriage r_o_m in singapore, without our parents here because uh both our parents is actually in malaysia so actually having our marriage r_o_m in singapore, we just uh set up our marriage and then having this er zoom like a zoom kind to our parents to show them eh we actually uh having our marriage so after we marriage right, eventually you will start to think a lot of other things like uh because at that time uh at that point of time we are still renting a room, we stay in the room is not a rented single uh renting a whole uh house you know, it's uh it's just a small room so um after that we like start to think uh we need to settle down in singapore so if we settle down we would need a lot of other things like uh if we want to have a baby, or if we want to uh have a decent life, we would need a house then we start to look for a house <unk>, that's why that's why we keep into this uh the third event we um because of covid also lah, so the mortgage and the housing uh this uh pricing uh is increased by a lot, so it's quite a hassle for us to get a house, especially when my husband he is not a p_r yet uh if it's not a p_r right, we bought a hou~ we buy we want to buy a house in singapore, it's quite expensive we need to pay extra a_b_s_d for about like twenty five percent if not mistaken, twenty or twenty five percent something like that and we actually like um start to have quite a bit of quarrel on this thing, like uh why don't you get the p_r already, and then we can actually afford to get a second hand uh h_d_b because h_d_b would need uh at least two people uh has a p_r then only can buy a resale only but uh that time i'm i'm p_r for quite like six years already, but my husband he haven't got his p_r yet but he is in the midst of applying p_r, even if in the midst of applying p_r right, then if you successfully get it, then you would need to wait for another three years then only you can start to have your house uh sorry uh resale unit h_d_b and of course we go to we do a bit of survey, we met up a a lot of this uh uh agent this uh housing agent, and see financial planning how how we can do all these things and at the end we came into a decision where we decided to get a condo of course if we want to get a condo then, the cost of this condo is very much higher i got some uh ex colleague which is also my ex coursemate right, the three person, two of them is eventually converted to singaporean, where uh one of them get a h_d_b after they converted to singaporean of course they would uh they also ask me why don't you uh convert to singaporean then you can get a housing easier, all these thing right but after some consideration, because i also got a house in malaysia as i mentioned in my first part right, so i is not really feasible for me to change converted to singaporean and after a lot of other consideration like uh my family in malaysia, and uh some other issue then i decided to like okay just stay on with p_r, and see how can we work out for this uh uh condo and we visited quite a number of unit like whole singapore one bedroom because uh i think the cheapest one bedroom is about uh less than seven hundred k, at that point of time when i bought it last year so we see like how we can work out to have this er about thirty percent uh cash on hand, if like seven hundred k then we need two hundred k sing dollar cash on hand to purchase this unit lah so we need to work out right, see how we can get this money of course we serve support of the parents then also er with some saving ourselves then, and also we receiving quite a number of units then only we are able to get this unit lah so basically that's why we move to this er condo after we bought this house right, then after the <unk> uh sorry the interest rate actually increase a lot, it increase from okay that point of time right, also another funny thing is um they got this fixed or fixed interest rate flexi interest rate for fixed interest rate, the rate is about two point something percent, but flexi is only less than one percent as a normal human i think we would just choose the cheap uh the lowest one lah, the less than one percent but of course the banker actually warn us like uh my friend also warn us like they heard the uh u_s will going to raise the interest rate for like five six five to six times i think in the uh last year so we think like okay never mind, even they raise for five or six times, now is less than one percent the most maybe like two point something percent, then we still the same with this uh with the fixed rate but actually once we sign up and we got the house in uh last year july, the interest rate gone up crazy the amount that we need to pay is actually like one thousand eight if not mistaken, from one thousand eight sing dollar rose up to now i think two thousand plus, near to close to three thousand already so it's like oh we need to start like calculating like replan a bit on our financial so of course bef~ consideration of all these thing right, we start to think like okay we need to like uh really need to spend the money wisely, because we other than this mortgage loan, then we still have to pay all these um maintenance fee, uh everything and then um but at this point, a lot of people ask me eh since you are buying your house in singapore, do you means that you are settle down i have been thinking quite some times lah, whether it's really for me to settle down in singapore because i work since uh i graduate, until now is eight years plus already all my connection i do ask some like er my friends mm connection, everything's in singapore sometimes when i go back to malaysia, i'm like yah i just stay at my house only like the bonding with my family, but not really other things lah so you ask me if i got friends in malaysia, yes i do have, but those is like uh we met once in a year especially after covid, we seldom met, we seldom met for like two three years already so the relationship is actually getting further, getting far, so it's not as close as previous already in fact um i got more friends in singapore rather than in malaysia so when they asked me whether i want to consider to uh permanently uh move to singapore, it's really dilemma things ah, because at the end of the day it's still about money, yah so for me in singapore, having money in singapore is a very nice place to stay lah, singapore if i'm rich right, but everything in ma~ in singapore is quite expensive, especially like uh my home like the mortgage, two thousand plus, if it still keep going up then might be going to three thousand other than that i still have other things like an insurance, medical bill, medical claims, especially when i getting older elder things right so is to me is still a consideration ah, it's still mm uh dilemma there so haven't takes up yet lah so yah that's all for me around i mean is that point of time or this time so essentially mm as the time goes on, your mindset will change actually now i think i will live not only in malaysia, like uh friends that time when we come together then we we also like discussing movements to like, ah going back next time, eh the money is like one to two point something one to three, eh it's very good money we go back, like even that time the salary is less than three thousand like two thousand eight, then we converted is like uh it's like seven thousand eight thousand ringgit malaysia, is a lot more than a lot of people in malaysia, we can have a very decent life in malaysia but as the time goes right you will feel that eh actually sometimes we shouldn't just convert the based on this uh rate itself ah you you stay in singapore you actually spend in singapore, unless you go and tell me like you you you you are not going to spend any single session in singapore (ppl) and you go and travel back malaysia everyday like those stay in johor bahru to commute back, and then like uh every morning come singapore work, and then after work go back to malaysia that time cause if we live we uh stay in singapore right, there's no time for you to convert, you are not going to use this money in malaysia eventually you can or the most is like once in a year where you during festive season like christmas or chinese new year, when you go back okay lah you can you can spend a little bit more there, and you feel everything everything there is cheap uh but it's only like once or twice a year things lah so as the time move on your mindset change, you you feel like actually a lot of things in m~ in singapore is much better, it's not only about money so like when i mentioned um a lot of things in singapore is much better is like uh it's more convenient in singapore, yah last time we would be thinking like uh we want to go back in malaysia, then we can have a bigger house, we can have a car, we can have everything but now is like why do you really need to buy a car, not really right if i buy a car, uh i need to pay the loan but now if i take a grab, the most like twenty dollar per three most lah, sometimes cheap is only like ten plus when yah even if you don't want to take grab or what, you still got other like gojet or whatever, or even you can take bus or what it's very convenient just walk out from your house or what you don't really need to uh own a car like yah last time you think i can have a decent very uh big house in malaysia, but now after owning a house in singapore, and i feel like wah very tired for me to keep the house i need to uh do all the house chores or yah, even you ask me to wash one toilet in singapore right it's like we very tired already once in a week we already very tired and in malaysia we actually the house is very big lah, and then i think it's very common everyone got a three to four toilet in the house, is like wah we went to three to four toilets it's very tedious, so eventually the mindset change you will you will start to think a lot of other things <s> sometimes you feel like eh even i go back to malaysia, what should i do there what should i work um in singapore even i resign i feel like eh never mind lah just resign and get another job, you just go other company right, but if i go if i i would be thinking like if i go back to malaysia, what i can be there i what can i do there my experience is in singapore, i don't have any connection in malaysia i don't know anyone in malaysia if anything happen right, if i want to find someone to give me some support in in the business or what, i don't know anyone even you want to start a new business or what, you don't know where to source the material or what in singapore it's very easy when you have a lot of connection already i mean like uh we build out with some relationship with uh escalate or what, you can ask them already but in malaysia lah i got no one to ask, and i so you will start to think a lot of things ah so you ask me um from the transition like uh want to go back to malaysia <unk> we change like should i go back then it it's really something like um it'll be influenced as the go time goes i'm not saying that the the decision that i means the the way of thinking during four five years ago is not right, i wouldn't say is that but it's just that as we goes on, we change, the things that we want we change, we no longer we no longer see the things in that way in fact you consider much other things, yah mm yah okay because for me myself i settle down i means i i'm not i won't say it's really a settle down, but it's i get marriage and then i own a house in singapore, i have a a very uh nice uh steady uh or or decent job in singapore, everything i have it is really um is on <unk> already as compared to i i don't know how would i be if i staying in malaysia but coming to singapore right, i will feel like i it broaden my uh mind it broadened up my uh what i see last time even even sometimes right, you feel like you go up to shopping mall, you just say like about everyone you want right, you can get it from the shopping mall even though sometimes i travel out for vacation, i go korea i go japan, last time when i still young that time i hear eh i went to buy all these thing for souvenir, because in malaysia i cannot get all these thing right or what uh buy for friends or what, very happy, but now i go travel i just purely for relaxation i seldom think of buying all these thing because actually singapore got everything actually (ppl) i go i do i i want to buy what ah uh i go japan to buy souvenir i never mind lah i just go takashimaya lah, got everything all the japanese stuff right or even you want to get all those uh korean snack or what, aiya you just go this uh what k mart or you want european stuff actually sometimes <unk> also got everythings when we travel out, it's like eh singapore although is small lah, but it do have everything so it actually change my mindset and that's why i feel like it's um it broadened up me myself, of course i'm not saying that uh going overseas got no point or is is um pointless to me, but i i actually it's just like okay when i go out maybe it's more focused on other things, it's more on relaxation so it i would say singapore coming to singapore is a very important event to, cause it actually change how the way i behave, the way i uh i want to have my life uh have my lifestyle, all these things lah mm what do you mean by that, uh do you do you to like uh give some explanation or eh yah okay something very interesting ah, i feel like um uh government is quite um nice to the citizen i told me myself i <unk> lah, because um but because uh i work in construction industry before, i work for this uh town council before, the way sometimes every project right, then we work or we deal with, there are a lot of this feedback or concern from the public so when when there these um public write some feedback to the government, i notice that they will eventually take it quite serious lah they just so so some some something (ppl) very funny is like uh uh complain just complain about the <unk>, and then the they they will need to think of some something really big uh solution to how to solve this issue or these tree going to into the people house like touching the people window you know, then uh then this uh uh h_d_b people or the town council people will start to like <unk> or or need to like immediately attend to all these thing i feel like wow it's very it's very mm very efficient or like or another word is very well pampered lah i would say if because in malaysia we don't have all these thing frankly speaking, you complain nevermind you just complain lah, but you complain yours one but no action will be taking one so for us we that's why that's the reason why we never complain or we never feedback of course i i don't know whether you heard of these people or not a lot of people that means in in malaysia from malaysian we will say like oh singaporean would like to complain a lot, they really like to complain a lot, it's because i i i personally feel it's because like yah they like to complain or they would feedback is to make the things better for me myself like i will feel like oh they feedback the thing, so that all these issues solved, and not only for the own convenience but also for the public where it's a it's something like they know after they complain or they feedback, the government will take action, that's why they will complain or feedback it's not they like lah, it's just the the way of these uh the things work lah and malaysian why they don't complain or don't feedback, it's not that they don't want, it's about after they complain no use why then if if it's you right you won't be like uh taking so much hasle to do all this thing if if i just walk out like i see uh they are some rats or cockroaches i okay lah never mind just take a photo then to we service right, and then immediately got some aunty or what uh right back to us, like oh we will be like uh taking uh look uh look uh into this thing urgently or what ah oh yah so so this is what i know about lah so and also if you say like um singaporean or as a whole nation or what, i would say is actually mm quite they they okay lah a~ although sometimes you will see a lot of this negative feedback in the social media, like in facebook comments under the news, always having some quarrel between malaysian or singaporean about all these thing some sometimes a small little things like a food also can be quarrel whatever, sometimes they quarrel like uh which nasi lemak is the best or which laksa is the best, all these thing i i don't understand why why why malaysian or the singaporean would like to quarrel on these thing lah, but actually in real life when i talk to my all these singaporean colleagues right, they eventually just like they they do they do appreciate malaysian food, they to them they like yah weekend eh we just go in malaysia for for uh or for something uh for to buy something or for food or eh k_f_c there also better i'm like eh why you want to go malaysia for k_f_c ah, singapore also got k_f_c what, then they told me oh no no no uh malaysia k_f_c better, i'm like uh really meh but i mean it's like sometimes all these thing right, you you see from social media people are everyday quarreling about malaysian thinking malaysia better, singaporeans thinking singapore better but in real life all the people that i met right, is actually they they don't behave in this way in fact they actually like they quite respect, i mean having a respect to both country lah, they won't like eh no no no your your malaysia very lousy or what, no lah or something like that that won't be lah so so i feel like mm sometimes we we shouldn't just look at the social media, how how these people comment or feedback in fact when we meet some person in person in real life, actually they are easy going, more friendly than usual lah you know this is what i know about singapore as a nation or what lah mm i feel i would say it's more connected lah yah because mm as i mentioned just now, i previously i work for a few uh means i work with a few clients which is the government agency like town council or what and sometimes i would need to participate especially during town council time i would need to participate in some of the event like er uh what s_g clean day or planting on trees thing and during all these event right, we would eventually meet a lot of these um m_p or what so sometimes i feel like oh okay i know singapore politics better (ppl) than than malaysia politician lah, that means like i at least i some of the face i look at them oh i know i know all these people name, rather than in malaysia right i only know my previous like naji or <unk> kind of things (ppl) you know yah so i would say it's more connected lah okay okay um i think cause for me marriage last at least last time when i feel like i want to have a marriage, of course my parents will also will be thinking like eh marriage you must have uh you must invite all your relatives all your friends to come in malaysia we are very common things to have like fifty to hundred tables of this uh wedding uh invited i if hundred table every table is ten packs it's like thousand people, you will invite a lot of people to come into your wedding in the morning because it's very cheap ah, in malaysia is about like three hundred sing dollar per table, and it's a very distant uh meal kind of things ah with all this or what uh, yah, a very a very um uh decent ceremony but in singapore, it' quite expensive it it's really expensive and during my marriage right, although it's covid, i arranged like eight months before my marriage ah my r_o_m and surprisingly during covid, eight weeks before right, i cannot get uh those affordable one lah, very famous or affordable one, is eventually fully booked i'm like wow quite shocked that um at the end of the day, i choose to have mine in um national gallaries is it the one uh opposite plaza i think it's national gallery, somewhere there so um because it's very expensive lah i feel, i need to pay about like two hundred per pax, per pax eh it's like six hundred six hundred (ppl) in malaysia, it's like one person in singapore i can have one uh one whole table (ppl) in malaysia already so of course because it's very expensive, we need to keep into budget, we we need to keep tech into budget so i only invite those really close friend, because my parents also not here, so nevermind lah since i never invite my parents also, i don't need to invite my other relative in singapore also lah i just i just like uh as a as as an excuse also ah, so like covid mah, safe distancing, we need to keep into everything and then like uh uh keep into the um mean uh maximum capacity right, so uh it's just an excuse for me to er not to invite some of the people lah, er just keep to as a very intimate gathering with my friends but of course marriage in singapore um is a different things because in singapore we need to uh invite this er solemniser er to attend yours wedding ceremony, and then you read the speech or what, and then sign the sign the paper what but in malaonesia, we actually different custom i would say in malaysia usually we having uh all these er ceremony in our own house, of course we will go to this uh r_o_m in malay or to to sign the paper, but most of it is in er we will do all these thing in our home but in in singapore it's a very different thing ah and also partly is because my parents is not here, um yah so we will just want to keep this simple and the most important is, marriage is between me and my husband, two of us we i means the mindset is changed lah, last time we would want to have uh a lot of people right, now never mind lah, it' marriage is just about two of us, we just want to a happy for that day, uh take some photo, have have some food or gathering with my friends, then that's it, then yah yah okay, i would say is significant is because a lot of this mindset eventually change after marriage before marriage right, you would you would only think about you yourself lah, but after marriage you would need to think a lot of things like you need to think yourself, your husband, your in law, as well as my parents even just a very small little <unk> season, you will need to plan, pre plan like eh should where should we go back during chinese new year, should we go back to ipoh or or we go j_b to or met your parents or what, how many days is it because at the end we still need to work and only two days are public holiday in singapore right, um even we take uh annually, you you you you cannot take too long right, to not to affect all the working or what the most you take one weeks uh to go back to malaysia, then we will need to start thinking like where should we go first you go j_b first, or you go ipoh first, if you go sometimes people will be start quarrelling why you stay like three days in j_b but only two days in ipoh kind of things eh very urgent eh i i i i seldom met my parents there, i need to um uh i want to have a longer period in my uh in my own hometown or what, people will still quarrel so of course every year we we we need to prepare all these things so i would say it's a very important event because it makes you start to think a lot of things, other than all this your own issue right, you need to think about your family, your parents' issue, and also whether you want to have your um daughter or son here, and your children your kids here lah you will need to start thinking ah and as the times you goes it's right now is thirty one years old already, and all your friends around you also almost this same age, the topic that that they discuss eventually will be talking about eh eh you uh when are you having your kids, or when are you having a plan to have your kids or what, and the topic that they discuss eventually more or less will be talking about the kids and when you talk about the kids right, something interesting in singapore is they raise the kids differently as compared to malaysian in malaysia we will only like oh if if you have a kids right, and nevermind lah, just send them to school lah, the most send them for some uh tuition or some or piano class or what but in singapore you start to learn like eh all these parents are not easy to become a parent eh, really very different kind of things where you need to start really planning because if you want to go into specific school for the kids right, you need to start doing all the voluntary services for the school or what especially for those famous um school, you need to like some some of them really uh go and join the grassroot, or they do uh voluntary services like um having any event then they will start to like a moving chair for the school or what for for one to two years eh so it's like you was start to think a lot of things ah that's why have to say like it's when something different and important life event where you after because after you have all these knowledge right, you think like eh do you really want to have a kid or not last time you feel like oh after marriage of course want to have a kid right, but after this we discuss in night lah, why don't we just uh stay like two person, then don't want to have a kids ah so having a decision not to have a kids i would say it's a very big things ah and of course all these thing happened only after marriage, that's why i would say uh getting married subsequently is a very important event for me mm i think not really lah mm i would say it's not really connected to singapore, it's more on like um the the it's more on like um the topic that you will eventually discuss with your friends, when you meet them up yah because when you get married, af~ really after you get married right, then all these people uh the topic that will talk to you eh it's more on like eh to eh you want to have your kids lah, and then after you kid uh after you want to have your kids, where you want to send them for the school, which school you are looking for eh uh near <unk> your uh house right there is a very famous uh school, you can actually uh start to planning to send them there, or all these things of course you learn how all these singapore parent things works lah so if you ask me really connected or not, i would say not not really a hundred percent things, but it's more on like you know the culture here, you know how the things work here okay okay when because getting a house in singapore is not really easy, uh when your budget is constrain, those that you you have limited budget so the choices you have is very limited and with the limited choice and the budget is good to you is which means also good to others you <unk> you view the unit, and you go back and think for two three days later, and then the agent will tell you oh oh okay actually this one this unit already is got some other people offer to i mean i means uh some other people actually afford this amount to the owner already, and uh would you want to get uh i means offer a higher price or what, but if you offer a higher price which means you are unable to afford it getting house in singapore is very is actually very competitive from very excited right, you will get to like very frustrated because this process eventually repeat and repeat and repeat and of course after you end up you get a unit, you you i i feel very excited really excited lah that time because finally you got your own house, uh and then you start to look for any renovation, and it's a very very tedious process but you feel like uh very happy, because it's your own house although it's a very small unit, but you still feel very satisfied, you are happy to have all these thing in singapore right so mm after moving in, then you start to have all the gathering things i would say the the the the you if you ask me how i feel right, it from very excited to very frustrated, and then subsequent af~ after you get it then, you feel relieved and enjoy again, something like that yah it's <unk> yah because uh for me whether whether uh i really want to settle down or not right, then i would say getting a house is the first step if you don't re~ if you don't even have a house in singapore, how can you settle down subsequently so for me having a house is a first step to er having a sense of like um um going home after work you know, it's like a sense of feeling ah finally i'm going home, ather than oh i'm going back for for a room last time maybe i would say like oh sometimes <unk> like eh to my home <unk> but now after i getting my home i will say eh why don't i will i told my parents nice ah why don't you come here lah, whether don't i go rather than i go back but i feel like uh it's like a a sense of belonging here of course um getting a home i would say then is is is is a first step lah for you to stay here of course uh during old time or what, next time you can still sell away your house, but at least at this moment it's a it's a belongings here mm singapre as a nation, mm i would say that because it's more on like a belonging, i have a sense of belongings here right, and of course people will still will start asking me ah, like eh you to get your house already you just uh convert lah, you just er staying back here, and that means staying back in singapore, even you what what you want to go back right, since you got everything here already, you got a job here, you got a house here why you want to go back to start all over again look for a new job whether you suitable or not right at least here you got everything and sometimes when you mm when you having some like uhspare time weekend or what, you would eventually like uh invite your friends, invite your colleagues or what, come to your house or sometimes you will go to their house um some i mean the frequency of gathering is much is much more as compared to last time because last time you you you you you are impossible to invite your friends to your to your house right, because you are renting the unit only so now it's like eh you can actually uh invite them to come to your uh condo here or what, or sometimes they after you invite them or they will say oh next month you come to my house or what so it's more on like um it's like a social interaction increase uh is the frequency increase lah yes definitely uh frequency of gathering a lot of things is actually much more as compared to last time okay okay i think the high point i would say maybe it's not something not something big to a lot of people lah, but to me it this is the first event i wish i feel it makes to me like enjoying singapore life is last time because uh i rent alone right, i stay actually in uh marine terrace and that area is actually belongs to this uh what goh chok tong um because i stay there for many years, so they eventually this um council member or what they eventually invite me, and they i don't know why they know lah, they like uh welcome me for joining uh marine ter~ marine terrace as a resident there, and then they eventually erm invite me for some uh events they are ev~ actually having some events like one day tour around this um east coast area, and then meeting up with uh this uh goh chok tong, and uh listen to how how they share the story you know and then that's the first event where i feel like wow in only in singapore right, we have all these uh will have all this thing, all this event of course uh a lot of people tell me oh it's because that area is special especially lah, it's the uh americans or what uh kind of thing or what, it's not it's not happen in everywhere, it's not happen every um area, is only specifically in east coast that area only where where this people uh this family or whoever is very actively going down talk to the people but i feel it's something very make me feel like very touch ah, because i for me i'm just a p_r actually for sometimes last time when you feel like er actually i'm like the um outsiders right, or you just you are like um you just came here for work only you uh eventually i might just uh nothing different from all these uh myeanmar or indonesian workers, to work as a maid or what, but it's just that okay i got a decent job with a higher pay than them lah but you you still feel like uh no no not not being like in the community but because of that event right, i feel eh actually i there is nothing different, actually i i can i i can also belongs to i means the community, i can also talk to them, work with them or whatever things ah so i feel like uh i'm being appreciated kind of things, it creates a sense of belonging yah because uh as i mentioned just now right, it makes me so the first time where i feel having this sense of really uh uh okay i i as actually stay in in singapore yah actually no one discriminate you, no one they they actually welcome you lot, you know like yah they are also a lot of people like you joining the community, uh they actually also uh like invite you to do voluntary services together and then and yah so they they they fe~ you you have a very um welcoming feeling ah yah, i so it's definitely yes because it brings me having a mindset of singapore is actually a very how to say ah, they they they try to connect everyone they try to make <unk> community lah, rather than in malaysia right, sometimes i that means we only talk to okay lah neighbour we will still like ah yah uh hi bye with the neighbour, but i don't know much people in the community here i feel is connected a lot i would know a lot of people doing this uh volunteer event, or some joining them some some commo~ some community event, attending some classes with them, yah i saw like sometimes uh my my landlord last time right, she actually attending all these er tai chi classes or what, then all these people will i means they they because they knock my landed house ah, the door and then like oh then they also know me already lor because there are a lot of these social event and social gathering or what, and make make me feel like yah that's the reason why people are connected and also ah yah it's different, this is i mean um the i mean this is the structure of the community here, where it's different totally different from malaysia mm i will start with okay maybe low point i would say is because of my first uh working of course i of course uh i got a decent job there, a very um uh with a lot of colleagues which is uh having the same background but that time i feel is still fresh grad lah, and i'm also a malaysian right, a malays that come to singapore to work or what is you are still a alien or outsiders ah so sometimes whenever your boss ask you to do something right, you won't reject so so what i means is like they give you a lot of tasks, and that time i work from monday to sunday sunday leh, i mean with without o_t mah, and then like work until everyday till at ten p_m kind of things so you keep on repeat the same circle of life of course as a freshman, you will feel like never mind you just want to run <unk>, but after one two years now you start already why am i doing all these what i have been done although i'm like very busy everyday, what am i doing, i don't feel happy yah i don't feel happy with the job, i don't feel um this is what i want and start you start to think a lot of things, am i going to having the same thing for the for the rest of my life that kind of things i got very low, very down, yah if you if you are mm fresh grad, you do you having this cycle right, actually as suppose you quite excited lah, you can learn lot lot of you know but as a time goes, you start to feel like eh you you start to like self deny already lah, eh am i really that bad, why why people why other people can have um um easier life, or why people can work works very easy lah, but you need to work until nine or ten is it because really your time management got problem, your capability is not there, that's why people only need one hour to finish you need two three hours as the reason why you need to work o_t from monday to sunday kind of thing um of course that time uh i mean one of the boss lah also like keep on uh scolding, even you work o_t that time like p_m that she will still like suddenly pop up behind you are still working er means like er still to me on this thing or what so for me it's very depressed lah, that time is quite down yah i would say yes because of course uh <unk> people will be saying ah, working in singapore is very stress (ppl), they say uh yah working in singapore is really stress you need to work extremely hard primary speaking yes at that point of time i would say uh but if people ask me right, i will you want to think carefully, sometimes you you think like um money is good lah, but is it really worth it because i got friend who also fresh grad, i means uh other courses one who came to singapore and work of course she worked for half a year, she eventually scared of and went back to malaysia and say uh i don't want to step in singapore anymore (ppl) because it i anyway she got a very bad uh start up lah, even worse than me ah that time she join a japanese company, a japanese company who set up in singapore uh japanese culture is different, very strict and i still remember that time one of the things that she told me like er she smile to her boss, and then the boss is like er scold her but you <unk> can't you be more professional, can you be more serious on your work i'm like oh okay people smiling only leh, why why even going to scold people right of course lah like all these thing, (ppl) so it it's giving me a at first lah it giving me a very means a very bad bad mindset of like a very bad impression of working in singapore okay okay at this moment right, i will hope mm i would hope to have a <unk> financially freedom (ppl) yes financial freedom means like er i i after i finished pay off my debt, i don't need yah i i don't need to pay all the loan or what this is just my hope lah of course it's not that fast ah, i because my housing takes about twenty five years so of course i would hope that i can have a financial freedom in earlier stage of course um after i married that time we discussed i discussed my husband and don't know have kids right but of course getting moving on after one to two years, of course we we will still feel like uh getting settle down and have the kids <unk> i mean having kids having kids and build a family here i mean build my family with my kids lah challenges, frankly speaking much mm not much challenge here lah except for like uh you have having a difficult boss or difficult client kind of things only not really a i i i i feel like as compared to i think more people outside right, i think my challenges is very de~ diminished ah it's just like uh everyday just having a problem with working, having some problematic clients kind of thing mm mm mm yah sure (ppl) um this i i i feel this particular recently ah, this a this particular client is like something something not right it's okay it's not difficult client but i would say it's a unreasonable client i remember um last few months right, my direct supervisor she having er some health issue, that's why she keep on m_c and taking hospital hospitalised i as a deputy for the team right, so but although i'm deputy for this team, i just joined there for half a year, i just joined this for half a year so i got not much knowledge about the whole team or the project, i only know some of the things in breathing when this uh superior is having hospitalisation, out of sudden of course lah hospitalisation is part of sudden one ah, so i i have to uh go for meeting everyday with all the client or what so this client eventually keep on like scolding part of the <unk> or what what that's what i told him right, um i just know the issue today, because you tell me that only i know this issue, all the <unk> i don't know no one highlight to me, no no one communicate with me but i'm of course i can't tell you that i don't know, but what i can say is um i will get back to you on tomorrow but this particular client right, you say so now you are giving me instruction rather than i i tell telling you what to do, and are giving me instruction to er to listen to you tomorrow something something like that so i'm like oh okay fine, you can say what you want but yah what what you expect for me right i already told you i don't know because it's a very uh sudden things, and i take over just this morning for this uh to attend meeting with you and you i since you cannot accept i i cannot do anything, the most i can do is the next day i update you whatever i know i try to find out whatever things only of course this event like keep on repeating for almost one month, yah, of course i i didn't highlight to my uh <unk> or what but to them they also can't do anything much lah yah, also mean like you just uh take it lor or never mind lor, kind of thing, you have to change your your mindset lah mm how this challenge de~ develops of course mm i would say i would s~ of of course for this thing, although i i feel like uh very stress with the client or what, i won't say it's it's my own issue i mean i won't blame myself because he this guy is this particular client is being like consistently being <unk> or consistently treating everyone the same yah but of course i cannot i cannot eliminate my client or what (ppl) right, it's still my client right yah so it's it's just you have to just feel <unk> mm for me mm you just have to either like uh a~ after every meeting, go back then you you will just talk to your colleague or what i means just to went out a bit but after even went out right, at the end of the day you still need to go and do something you should do lah and it's like uh whatever he want, just give it to him see how it goes of course whatever he scold you'll need to filter out lah yah em my actually my boss eventually want to promote me to take over the position, but of course after this particular person and event things (ppl) i told them oh no i don't want, i i i i i totally don't want if you just want to promote me to take over this position and and face this client everyday, i think i better don't lah, i i just want to be a small potato in the team, uh quietly contribute i don't want i don't want to face him anymore lah mm outlook on my life, what kind of perspectives you are looking at mm okay, for me myself, last time i would say i would want to do everything in perfect, even if it's not perfect, i will try to do whatever the best i can do but as the time goes, i notice that actually it's okay to say not okay, okay for you to say no yah if you just can't do something, you just have to let go you you don't take it home after work, you don't take it too serious and affect your family life mm do whatever thing that you think you i mean like um you what not regret anything, try to do whatever things you can mm yah sure uh maybe mm do not i mean uh do whatever you can and live without regret, yah mm i think the sense of right and wrong is based on what you believe yah, so if you believe in something that you feel is correct, then you just feel it don't be afraid with to fall off, yah sometimes sometimes some of the things right think is nothing right or wrong, just different everyone is different, the way you do might be different from me, but doesn't mean that i'm wrong and you are right, just that different perspective that's what make everyone unique one minute okay okay then maybe there's nothing right or wrong, just different, mm mm definitely, i would say definitely i mean actually it's not only a particular community, but it's more on like uh you raise up since when you are a kid you raise up you go to the school, how the teacher taught you and subsequently you go to your university, you met a lot of friends from other places, and subsequently you go to work, and we also develop all the skills at work yah and all these event right eventually is um make you as what i am now it's all the events together, i won't say it's particular event, it's more on like a continuous thing no mm living in singapore mm maybe in singapore actually it's quite an interesting, it's quite interesting where even every things that you walk out, you see, is totally different, last so so sometimes lah sometimes when you feel mm when you feel like you are having an uncertainty or what, then you'll just walk out, look around, take a bus, or like look people sometimes a a a a bus driver smile with to you, say a good morning to you, it actually brighten up so um uh com~ and i i personally feel ah, community is very important you go out, meet people, and you eventually make you feel happy not really ah uh yah i i take my water bottle first <unk> yah okay can sure yah sure sure sure okay so for singare i was okay the first one maybe we start off with um economy singapore economy is i means people really uh very i mean very very rich i would say, it's very rich ah um they the part buying power in singapore, people in singapore is really really very is out of my expectation, is really high yah very high power buying power of course they are also people with poor but mm generally what i see they are very high buying power because that time uh during covid right, after uh reopen then we go for shopping, i go ion orchard that time just walk around i saw eh the cartier or the l_v shop outside right, there is a long queue i was like wow why all these people so when people are telling me ah what economic crisis, recession, but when i saw all this brandless stuff long queue eh (ppl) even you want to go inside right, you need to queue eh, i'm so impressed eh the and also i saw people like buying house in singapore is like it faster than i buy vegetable vegetable you know like i saw the news recently um there is this uh housing because they they they want to sell off this uh they need this uh what timeline they need to sell off the property by this um developer, and they are they are eighty percent or seventy percent of unsold unit something like that and then and then within one day, after uh after the news right, within one day uh is total is fully sold out something like that i'm like wow why why these people like buying property so fast no need to consider even i even i go out buy vegie right, i need to pick leh (ppl), i need to choose leh, but these people like i don't need what eh or when they buy unit like buy ten unit at one time leh, i buy one unit i need to think for so long, i need to calculate leh yah, so i feel like oh] okay the economy in singapore is really good it the people having a very high buying power yah, this is first stop, i uh it's about the economy and the second part is we talks about um politics i okay um every year i means every five year there is uh election right so i still remember few years back when there is s_g fifty that time, they are having this election after er the national day and that time i see my landlord is an old lady, very old lady like eighty plus years old, but she still <unk>, she actually <unk> that time after work uh announcing the news right, she will down there ask me eh eh eh girl girl girl come come help me to help me to see what is the word who is the winning party of course lah that time i still don't know who is who lah, i still i only know ah the p_a_p or worker party kind of things right, then okay that time i still like uh the first person that i feel like um okay the singaporeans, the old generation would prefer p_a_p that time, they they they like p_a_p so much, really a lot because uh because of my old landlord lah, the the old lady, but subsequently uh recently when i move out and no more youngster right, then they will start to tell me all kind of uh uh like uh which which uh area like your bedok eh the worker party there ah, every every weekend you can see uh this worker party a representative is sitting down there, or uh i think ah this uh p_a_p going to rules or whatever okay they they start to discuss or even the latest poly i think the latest news is about this uh shanmugam and then the harvey norman boss right (ppl) going for election, then they they start to talk eh we we should look for the harvey norman guy lah, then we can get fifty percent discount like what (ppl) why fifty percent type of things and and then they they show me they they maybe they know i'm not uh singaporean, so they they they will try to treat me a lot of information, like send me all the news like uh even the shanmugam, resign later where we <unk>, oh they got he he got so many position, but only need to uh serve one month notice for resignation, and my company is actually serving two month notice then we are like eh why why why all these people only serving one month minister leh, cannot be i more important than minister right or what that means like we will talk about all these politics where i feel like um youngster even not only the old generation, the youngster we are also very into uh the politics uh situation where they will know who is who in malaysia is different i would we we only vote for the sake of vote ah, we just vote the opposition uh no matter who or what they do never mind we just vote for the opposition, in malaysia ah <unk> but in singapore i just realised eh everyone is actually know which party or who is who very much then they will tell me about uh all these people who uh and then who uh what the latest what l_t_a minister having corruption or what things in the news, then that we immediately share all these kind of things i feel people people here is really like very yah they will know about politics, they will know about uh voting their rights so this is the second part so the part i would say about the culture i feel the culture in singapore is relatively similar to malaysia so we share a lot of things is very common lah, like uh malaysia got a nasi lemak, singapore also got nasi lemak or laksa, things also seen or even like uh uh char kway teow but although all these thing is relatively similar, but the taste is totally different a lot people uh especially a lot of malaysian lah very very eventually you actually tell you lah uh no lah the bak kut teh here not nice one, it's the pepper salt one, ah we must you you you want to eat bak kut teh you go back to malaysia and eat or what, and then suddenly never mind lah you just drink it as a uh different type of soup lah, you don't think of the name you just taste the thing what, you just taste it, it taste good right then okay lah, you don't care about the name lah you don't need to everyday go and quarrel about uh nasi lemak should be a spicy one or a sweet sambal right but i just i mean it's like although sharing the same culture, it's relatively the same but these two has some difference ah i would say uh of course um if if people come to singapore ask me uh any good food to recommend, i will tell them mah you don't you don't try whatever you have in malaysia already, for for sure you compare then you just go and try all the spanish food, italian food, they they they are there are a lot of these uh very good italian food or spanish food around, where for sure you cannot compare mah, in malaysia you don't have all these for sure after you taste you feel very good for sure you would like it or what i would always tell them yah so uh this is what i know about singapore lah, in overall the first event i would say covid nineteen yah so during this covid nineteen right, uh i think it's first locked down for two months right i think it's two months and then subsequently uh another two months totally uh in total during this four months, um i i think there's something change in mindset lah but when when it first started about covid, people start saying like oh singapore very small, it spread very fast eh anyone eh the one in uh staying <unk> alone or on the same block or what having covid eh, they later die must die must die already, uh for sure will spread to us right, because we stay so closely singapore sure cannot already something like that subsequent moving on then the people will say okay yah because singapore is small or easier to manage, so whatever things happen they can act very fast right, very easy to uh manage because everyone is staying uh very closely right wow (ppl) so actually everythings have it own bad uh good things or bad things, benefit on these things even a singapore small country in this er covid things, it can have a two two kind of will whether you can manage it easily or it spread, kind of things so during covid actually i think it do change a lot of people i do i think it changed a lot of people, either in singapore or or or workers uh i i remember that time a lot all of these um malaysian friends they go they go back to malaysia, but also a lot of people moving in singapore so that's why because of this thing, mm i didn't the rental price also increase or what, is i think even now i think the the rental the price like quite a crazy amount yah it's a i i would say it's a it's a really special kind of lifetime event you know like of course i wouldn't say it's definitely memorable but i would i i wouldn't want to have second time again covid but of course it is something like um i never think of there is one day everyone need to work from home kind of thing there (ppl), yah mm or even that time i remember like uh people going to supermarket, try to snatch all the toilet paper (ppl) i don't know why is toilet paper lah but it's like wow it's like yah very funny things ah when you look back right okay why why that that point of time people you do all this kind of crazy things right, yah but to only after you went through this process you only okay more <unk> already now i think in singapore it change a lot of things it actually the usage of this um computer technology things getting faster, uh i means um how to say ah, the the process of implementing all the technologies thing very fast very soon last time i think zoom it's not really commonly used ah, or even teams meeting right and now anything we will just say aiya uh even because i'm <unk>, so the even h_r want to meet me, or the boss want to meet me is it uh just go to zoom lah instead of last time we need to go back to the side of uh (uh main office there, launch <unk> there to meet up the boss, now is say like eh uh uh we just having this uh zoom meeting everything is easier, we don't need to spend time on this thing the last time people say like eh zoom meeting not efficient lah, or even like er er e learning is not being is defective, but actually i feel it's alright and a lot of these people start to learn how to use um all these apps to uh shoot review or what actually i think it's part of these covid things ah, they learn all these skill set during during covid time, just got like maybe thinking or what, yah i think yah it's the process ah yah i would say in the end sin~ although that time i remember like uh only uh certain group of people is affected badly lah, especially those who stay in dormitory, but in overall singapore is not really a very um worst at or very best situation scenario so i feel in singapore people is still very i um still manage it very good, yah, there's no no big deals and all these thing i of course um during pandemicic that time right, i feel less connected because we just stay in the room we don't we don't really like talk to other people already that time even you want to go out right, you just go out one to two person to buy something, buy grocery only, then you go back yah by that time i think i stay in the room for two three months, every day only grab food (ppl) yah i think i contribute a lot to grab food or food panda that time, yah mm second event i would say is s_g fifty at the where the national day is uh what having this i think is eight se~ seven or seven years ago right, s_g fifty, about there ah so that time i also like just one one year in singapore or second year in singapore that time so they eventually um celebrate it quite celebrate it in a very big scale ah and yah and that time i i think this that's the first time i celebrate a national day i means in malaysia have national day but i never celebrate lah like just like uh you uh there a lot of these scenery, very good scenery in singapore, but you as a singaporean last time maybe i think you seldom go and explore, just the same so i i first time i celebrate the national that is actually not in malaysia but in singapore that time so together with some friends, you you are hang out er very crowded i still remember it's a very crowded event, and that time we stay until midnight in bayfront i think, some i think it's bayfront there stay till midnight or what yah it's a very um it's a i would say it's a lifetime experience but i don't want to go attend the second time, very crowded, i cannot i don't want to experience the same but it's fun lah because you that time still young right, with all the friends, oh very excited come to singapore, see all these uh uh firecrackers everything but yah it's too crowded lah, i don't even join anything yah because the s_g fifty i think is a it's a it's a very but i mean it's a one of the biggest event that i have join in singapore so i feel that that time the the the government also spent quite a lot of money on this event and some more everyone's very happy with this event, then the government also after that event right immediately uh go and having this election things right (ppl) so i think they i mean the government plan lah all these things so i think it's a very important thing in singapore um okay because it's to me is important to singapore right, um it's because other than okay this is uh fifteen years old singapore, is like a go to as if if we count as a normal human, it's like out of the life already of course in singapore it's like fifty years old through so it's from beginning to fifty years from start to <unk> form i mean from developing to developed country <unk> and go go through a lot of things but of course erm they are also high and low in singapore where i remember that time i means people telling me oh okay for sure the government would wants to have this election because s_g fifty celebration because uh uh the government want to make everyone happy, and then there's that's why they score well in the in the world but in fact yah that time that uh during that year, they eventually win quite number of seats but of course uh i think the next round after this uh uh election right, the second i means the the next round after this election, i think they start to drop with some seat lah so i feel that uh that point of time it's a very important event to singapore where people eventually appreciate the government, and that's why they would they would want to uh trust the government for this round and work for the government yah um because i think for s_g for uh singapore to achieve fifty years, it ha~ needs a lot of um hard work from a lot of people not i always believe lah not only about the government lah but also the people in the ground, what they have uh willingness and they want to strike or something, they work hard the people work hard, and they contribute to singapore, and that's why they are able to develop a lot and that's why you can see this very big scale event in s_g fifty for to celebrate the success of singapore in this fifty years mm for me myself i feel not really connected, but it's more it's more like i know singapore i know singapore uh uh how people feel about singapore, yah, i know um how the singaporeans feel, i can feel them yah because for me myself, i it is like malaysia we also have this uh what we call <unk> it's like twenty twenty, but in twenty twenty there's nothing happen (ppl) in malaysia lah i mean uh okay it's just a logo it's just like a slogan, it's like a vision mission but nothing happen but in singapore like uh okay i saw them they achieve ah so it's like mm okay it's a very costful things lah yes correct mm okay i think the third event i would say um more on the recent uh event ah, uh oh um i think everyone know lah about the taylor swift, we talk about the taylor swift ah mm in asia right, i think taylor swift is only having concert in singapore and japan in whole asia, so everyone crazy about this taylor swift things ah go and queue (ppl) i i i because i i also want to buy the ticket right, so i <unk> the ticket, i do follow some news, then i saw some news the day before uh like people from don't know which university or colleague student, poly student, go and queue on wednesday night right after the presale, go and queue, outside post for a few hours i'm like wow (ppl) realise i i'm like wow quite a number of people crazy about it so i'm going to talk about this event um of course lah i feel like why why why taylor swift would go and choose singapore and not other country there are a lot of countries in asia right, um maybe they can choose to go bangkok, mm yah if it's not bangkok then maybe korea or malaysia or what but they in fact they choose to hold six concert in mala~ uh sorry in singapore yah it's a small country a very small country but manage to have six uh concert in indoor stadium, like uh fifty five thousand per per per event, i mean per per round so times six so it's like a three hundred thousand event so everybody everyone not only in singapore lah but i think it in oh uh in all the asian people china people they are also crazy about this yah i feel impressed actually (ppl) i mean impressed not only on how singaporean going to get the ticket as like queue start to queue or for for two nights or or okay lah only a uh uh uh a small number of people is since starting since wednesday night but on thursday night, i really saw a lot of telegram update right like or uh serangoon sing post, how many people like uh work on whole bunch already, or or toa payoh or or or or westgate or something there yah all people is is crazy, i'm quite quite impressed ah but of course it's like why why people will choose singapore right, i believe must be they see the potential of singapore and they maybe they got the government support in singapore because i know in malaysia cannot lah, even you just want to have one one concert right, then the the government will start to tell you we got after they book the venue right, then the government will start to tell you oh we got football event uh need to reschedule the i remember that time the jay chou one also the same right, or we got football event then people like start to make a big ho ha there or black pink come and then the the the religion <unk> come and stand out and say something naughty or what but i feel like it's more on government support lah, and that's why taylor swift they oh like tried to rather than other country they choose singapore yah, because if six times fifty five thousand is like three hundred plus thousand people will be coming to singapore, of course not only the local people will come watch the er show i saw like a lot of these er philipino um or malaysian or china men, they eventually really come and spend money in singapore they book the hotel right, the like the queue package also like sold up within don't know how many hours, people like trying to queue then i queue right is queuing for one million kind of number queue number, like wow so it brings a lot of i means it brings a lot of things to singapore lah, in economy it actually boost up a lot of um er tourism industry ah like people come here to spend money, they buy things, they spend money for food, to spend money for hawker i also join some of this er fans club that means group lah to see what people discuss, and so all these people like start start to discover eh where should we go for food in singapore, er how er what kind of er how can i pay money in singapore, can we use credit card or can we use wechat pay or pay kind of things so i think it boost up uh the economy lah for for the local people as well i i i think rather than like uh just paying the tax money to government but uh like the hawker people or the hotel management team or what, they eventually got a lot of business work here mm i think singapore yah um which means singapore is is really i i feel lah it's quite successful they are able to make everyone (ppl) not only taylor swift but actually you see every every two weeks or three weeks, for sure they were having someone to announce saying that uh they are having concert in singapore why they chose singapore i mean singapore money is really powerful, a lot of people want to spend uh willingness to spend high purchase power or uh really a <unk> see a very good market in singapore mm i would say not really um affecting me but a lot of people outside and means uh tourist people, they know singapore well ah cause for me myself, i just need to buy the ticket and attend the concert, but a lot of other people right, they would eventually start to do some research, way to stay or uh way uh any other uh tourist spot, uh interesting place to visit singapore mm high point in singapore mm i would say mm covid nineteen yah, cause covid nineteen um the rate of infection is quite high, but the death rate is relatively low as compared to a lot of countries ah, like you will see like china right, actually everyday they are more than four digits of people die passed away because of this covid, but in singapore it keeps in a very minimum amount the the the the how to say the medical team, the medical which means uh all these thing in singapore is very well developed, um well developed, that's why they can handle all these things yah i feel yah they yah singapore is having a very good <unk> mm yah, actually it's a mixture of feeling ah i wouldn't say i i wo~ i won't uh definitely it's not a happy event but you will feel like uh at first you are very nervous, but because of the singapore government they are having a very fast action on certain things, so to me when you act fast with a clear uh direction given, you will feel like uh comfortable, you will feel like uh no need to worry yah, rather than like um you don't you don't have any direction, then you you will choose <unk> but in this case, for me i don't feel very er scared or what about um i don't feel very worried lah but of course lah at first when when when all this covid started right, er i think everyone is very worried but as the time goes everyone got used to it and i think this is part of the the support from the government, part of <unk> government, and also from the medical team or what, yah mm it's not like this particular event is good, it's like um the overall experience from this right, you will start to see a lot of things changes ah you see like uh rather than having for example n_t_u_c or giants last time, i think uh most of the food like uh chicken they are import from malaysia, or veggie they import from uh china something like that or malaysia but now eventually they are having different source, like the chicken milk like coming from this uh poland, a few sources of things ah, to make sure that all is not disrupted, all the supply is not being disrupted so it's more on a well prepared for uh mm any event that might be or having the same experience again so it means uh uh i would say right ah if the same thing repeat again, we are more well prepared, we know how to face all these mm i would say it's a fast mm quick decision making mm i feel not really but it's more on like more comfortable thing, i know that um i have a sense of security, yah that kind of thing mm if you are asking me about the low point, i would say um the past away of the previous um past uh prime minister um he uh lee kuan yew, yah i will say it's a low point of singapore because after the passed away of mm uh actually a lot of this i saw a lot of negative feedback ah probably the people towards singapore a lot of youngster also like not trusting the government although i i know a lot of these of effort has to the government, but people will people will still thinking like er singapore not moving as fast as previous in fact they are slow down, recession kind of thing mm not uh okay yah because uh for me myself i mean like i don't know much about the previous uh the previous uh prime minister so for me myself i don't have a really a uh deep feeling about him but yah i but i know but i can see like um how much singaporean like him, salute him, respect him but for me myself definitely i have not much um feeling about him mm i think is um i would answer like answer would be a bit less about uh uh on previous answer lah after the mm the pass away of previous prime minister uh lee kuan yew, and then uh a lot of these negative feedback um especially on the lee family, you can a always see uh a lot of these scandals about the lee family, the brothers or the son uh what uh or sister or what uh siblings uh quarrelling about uh the the the position, the power they want to have, this power all these thing i feel mm it's it it's like um it's like uh how to to say ah, it's a very sad case ah when you see like uh they are from one family right but end up because of the power they just want to have power, and this fighting and the nation also like er start to less trust to them, having less trust, yah mm for me myself i would say um it's a it's a it's a it's a step <unk> to singapore, because all the while right, i think they are relying on him but after the pass away of lee kuan yew, although uh the current p_m lee also uh uh uh work hard on this, but i think a lot of youngster like not really trusting him so if you ask me about this event, mm i would say just as the it's a transition period lah they need to work really hard to gain back the trust of people mm me myself i feel not really relate, i mean it's not not really affetcting on me uh yah sure sure dreams or hopes of singapore mm you you means a singaporean or i means or general one in in in which way i think singapore now they are trying to go to what five five_g is it uh uh the wong lawrence wong i think the five_g leader or something like that right i of course lah, singapore they i i i i personally feel ah, the current government don't have <unk> direction yet on how singapore moving into the next, but they are just trying to build up as much resources as possible so that in future when whatever trend is in the next, they can go into it as soon as possible like the five_g leader, uh i i believe lah, he also got no clue on what what really going to be or what are going to do and i don't really see a significant action on this five_g leader thing but i think they are just trying to having as much resources as possible at this moment so for singapore the dreams or hopes, i think it's just like try um always um get into the pace lah with all the countries, if not you will be be out because singapore we don't have any um resources, in fact we uh singapore actually rely on a lot of things lah, outsourcce, most of it is outsourced, even workers also outsourced, uh food outsourced, um and even you online shopping right, you will notice actually a lot of things is shipping from oversea so for singapore they can what what what can do is only on trying to build as much as possible, and see to to adapt in the future mm of course lah, i would want want to see a different different uh generation, different way of um living lifestyle in singapore i mean yah i know in singapore actually a lot of changes now have been done, last time i think it's not so commonly use of all the all those pay now pay lah things, like now uh a lot of these uh uh auntie uncle or grandma they actually use trying to use all these technology things to pay ah i think it's a change of lifestyle what i think can do more even more okay sure um okay this moment right, when we are when we are buying things, we are still uh use uh uh some of the place lah, some of the uh they are still using a cash or sometimes uh using a card, or or some of it are using phone or there are a lot of ways, there are a lot of methods but i think which why don't we why can't we just like china right, they actually using they they are more on cashless now already they are also less using in credit cards, they are actually more relying on the mobile phone like uh wechat pay or alipay right so but in here because um although pay now pay lah is common but they are still serve some of it haven't fully added lah so of course all these changes need to take uh slowly change ah, but of course if possible should change as soon as possible mm i think singapore the greater challenges face is singapore don't have resources, don't have its own resources, a lot of outsource ah yah so mm it's based on the geography there's singapore is a very small country and the geographically um don't have any resources and also even they want to for example even they want to build their own farm, they don't have land for them to build uh even like uh in malaysia very lucky lah they got the uh petroleum, it's uh it's a major thing singapore don't have singapore no space or uh own uh multiticculture uh yah, but they can only rely on on rely on outsource things ah mm they even they outsourced right, they try to have a few uh alternative uh sources on the same thing, especially after covid so last time instead of relying on one source, they have <unk> source like um rice or chicken or eggs, last time you will see all eggs from singapore or the malaysia, now you can see eggs from korea or yah, or milk from india they try to import as much resources as that means uh as few alternative as possible but of course singapore now also like trying to have a few farmings ah um so lah it like um having um growing plant indoor or in some car park things, they try to do some of these things yah so with all this right, um if you don't have um resources, and let's say you outsiders if if in war other people just uh i don't want to be able to work then for sure you die already or they don't give you mm resources right or manpower, then you can do nothing about the for all this event lah but of course lah i know um by right i see uh singapore governments trying to do as much as possible they try to do their own um nation to prepare for all these event for um for, of course lah, if it's war coming down, i of course singapore still cannot handle lah, because china people so many or in~ indian people so many right but at least we won't i mean won't die so fast lah, at least still can have some some uh possibility to to survive ah from singapore view, i think mm in the okay the past <unk> i mean the past gens the older generation i i do believe they work really hard last time, that's why um they built a lot of wealth and makes what singapore it is today yah so one of the one of the most um key things that i see from i mean for my uh friends or colleagues right, i don't see some of my colleagues they actually work like uh uh just a normal uh staff with a low salary, of course ah low salary i'm talking about three thousand plus four thousand things but they they are they are lot they are having a lot of this investment actually and after we we talk then i know okay all his investment eventually come from the support of family lah that's why um they are able to build all the wealth even with uh our salary four thousand, they are having a decent life or what so i believe all these is come from the hardship of the past of course for the youngsters they want to <unk> or or continue to build even more, this is another i mean uh for for for the future already but if you ask me how singapore come through come to this largely from the past generation sorry repeat again i can mm singapore most important <unk> (ppl) um i think singapore having a they they that the first i think uh the people here is like uh i think the government here is like serve the nation, serve the people, they are having this mindset is very important, where it's not they they all of course lah, they are also some people will be self centered lah, but i think in generally all the government people here they will try to like serve the people, which i feel like they try to unite, which i feel like it's very important else you go and see the our malaysia there, the the politician right, every day is only talking about uh um malay or chinese only why because they know they got nothing to say already, they they they just want to build their fame but in singapore it's different lah the topic that they talk, like how to build some infrastructure right so i think the most important value is this ah, serve the nation, yah mm in singapore i think the leadership here right, they do have a very firm firm view on certain things when they feel like it's wrong, the leader here will come out and say no stop it and then the the and all other then they will stop the who creating the similar uh topics, problem, or discrimination kind of thing yah i i so i think like yah uh a very firm leadership is very important yes correct so so for example ah, for example i would say ah, um i give you a example of um in malaysia, we especially after we change the holidays or what, we seems uh few years back, we always having this mindset of new turn after they do something they give a decision, even a very small matter of um swimming class compulsory swimming class for all the students, then there are a few parents or some people will say uh we don't have um so many swimming pool there or what then the next moment within one or two weeks right, the government will change or nevermind nevermind we we we keep it aside, oh it's not it may not be necessary lah or or even a very small thing like a shoe uh the the uh the white shoe for the school they want to change it black colour, just the small little things they cannot be firm they after people go and complain or go and like make clear on like saying that uh then we all need to change all the shoe already, how problematic ah blah blah blah i don't want to change then the next day the the the next more one then the the government say uh no need want need no want need change we use use like uh uh white shoe <unk> so but in singapore you can see is a when they say a firm leadership, they will just say like oh we go into this direction the next moment everyone cheer and go into this direction and makes the whole country like goal having the same goal or same mindset and not like of course all these uh white shoe black shoe kind of things that nothing right or wrong right, after you new turn for few times then you will be having a problem like um aiya what to do ah what should i follow ah they don't have a class or or even like sometimes they announce something say ah never mind lah, uh two day later you'll see again ah, maybe maybe not going to implement anyone, everyone know already so to to uh to to people right, never mind one whether it's correct or not never mind lah, you change you change one <unk> i think so far i don't have anything (ppl) i cannot think <unk> mm share a story of singapore mm i think so far so good yah right <unk> okay i would say singapore is very very in~ an interesting places ah where it is really um very accommodative i feel singapore is very accommodative um we have a lot of this uh different group of people here, you can see not only about our singaporean, malaysian, china, but also a lot of like you can see a lot of erm american, japanese, korean people in er in our society yah so it's really accommodative for everyone to to stay here they are not only like focused on one group, they are willing to have a different uh group of people as long as you are capable you are welcome you are always welcome here mm i feel it mm is 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MAL69827_080523_1400_3052.docx | mm i'm good how about yourself no, just maha will do okay sure mm (uh no mm so anything okay so just a little bit about myself so a bit of my demo~, demographic that <unk> okay right um so maybe like now right yah okay so basically maybe maybe i can start off when i was young okay so um i i don't think i belong to the baby boomers so um the time when you know i was born and i do sixty seven er so um i remembered going up in a kampung uh in a kampung area so of course er if i were to compare life you know living in kampung and now it's like very very very different so um though i was young but there are many many uh pleasant uh memories because kampung uh is really very very different um not well to do not you know not so um wonderful as like you know in terms of privacy and things like that was not so great then but yet you know um the the the the the the spirit of you know the community spirit was there so i remembered uh wander around you know just go out of the that any fear you know neighbours are all around and then in the the the erm the team bi the team spirit or be it like you know the cohesiveness was very different you are welcome to enter any of your neighbor's house you know its all doors are all open and then you know they gather together you know that without any um constraints or restriction you are able to like just go into your neighbor's house very freely you're always welcome and then there's like food uh in terms of like you know getting together and playing and then even that um the environment is definitely totally different so we don't have like you know uh uh uh us how to say playground but uh we are able to like you know make use of whatever that's around like you know environment like you know okay when there's a tree we will climb the tree you know the five you know we we we make use of you know the natural u things that's around to to be able to play yah so that was when we were young uh of course um after a couple of um years i remembered when i was like before going to primary school um my mum er i mean my parents bought an an h d b flat in toa payoh so we moved to over so first time living in you know an h d b flat um that experience is also definitely very different um people are all like kind of you know um mm not the same as say as now but again it's like you know quite confined you know you just staying your own house and then um then you know when your doors are open then you kind of make small check with your neighbours yah and then um started like you know er using public transport to go to school so all these were very er different experiences for me u someone who grows in in in an a kampung area for the good u six years of your life and then moving on to like h d b flat uh yes uh thereafter um i actually um my mum was working in a p s a then so uh for some reason for some personal reason we have to move out of the h d b flat and um moved over to stay in the um a quarters i would say h d it is a kind of you know er quarters that belongs to p s a again life was so different then staying in a quarters very much uh different so i i i i kind of you know got all these experiences when we moved around um particularly is like you know,the kind of people that you meet uh your, your, your surroundings were very different yeah so that um made a difference and you know also have some um impact on your life right, then um then of course you know um completing the my uh education and then uh moving on to uh working life yeah, right and then, then again like you know if i were to compare my, you know, uh working life it' also very different from where i started and now it is like you know those days you know um i work as a nurse so um we had you know, uh there was no uh institution like uh unlike now now is like, like diploma level right we started uh at a very uh entry level you know it's, you know we had you know, this building thats called school of nursing so that's where all the nursing students uh, we started our training gradually i saw the transformation, the evolution and you know the things evolve, evolves and you know uh transformde so now is like you know, v_e_f, you know um nursing students like, you know they, they, they, they, they pursue their education at diploma level then different entry levels it they they have you know i_t_e, we have diploma, we have you know um n_u_s where they can you know, actually do their degree straightaway so the, the time when i started is all different, every one of us will start from you know, from school of nursing ywah so this is something that you know, i saw along the way things are, how things you know changed right and then of course the focus on uh education is also very different compared to those days yes i've been uh working for about thirty over years uh no i've uh moved um two hospitals, uh in fact three hospitals yeah my first uh twenty years i was in uh working in singapore general hospital then uh of course um a lot of new hospitals was were coming up so i wanted to gain a new experience of being part of you know, building a new hospital so i, i joined uh ng teng fong so, got that opportunity to see uh to be part of you know uh a new hospital and yeah after working many, many years in a acute care setting i decided to have you know, explore what is nursing like in a primary care level so i joined a polyclinic to have that experience, yeah first section grou~ group, kampung yeah, right living, living transformation i don't know whether is ideal okay section sec can i actually focuses on i focused on my er career uh career development yah ya yes should i see uh all involve my career my my my career journey maybe yes career journey it's my own uh personal maybe my personal uh growth uh mm i guess (ppl) um yeah after this would be like, because i'm already fifty six, so looking forward for my retirement yeah, yeah that would be the last key event uh my maybe, my uh uh to correct me if i'm not in the right track uh i'm thinking of my uh professional development so as i mentioned that you know, i started off you know, uh nursing uh at a very entry level so you know we started in the school of nursing and then i graduated as an um enrolled nurse um because um due to uh family situation, um i, i wanted to like you know desperately uh needed to join workforce so um during the interview i was told that you know, if i could wait for another year i could actually uh join the um as a reg~, you know enroll as a registered nurse uh training uh but um due to family situation then i didn't uh, want to wait for that uh, that one year so i decided to um join as an enrolled nurse so um that's how i started um so um enrolled nurse um started off as an enrolled nurse so completed my two years of training, um because i, i kind of you know uh perform quite well in you know, in the exams and you know in the other uh aspect of my training as a result uh within three months of uh of my graduation i was called for an interview for, to join as i registered nurse so uh i, i seized that opportunity and then uh pursued uh my registered uh nurse uh training and uh within two years you know, i graduated as a registered nurse in uh singapore general hospital so um worked here for a couple of years so during in the, in the, in the midst of that i got married yup so um, so of course naturally after being married i, i wanted to like you know, plan to have uh children first so i uh along the way i had many um opportunity to like you know upgrade myself like you know, uh go and specialised you, you know advanced diploma things like that but i started delaying a bit because i wanted to have a child first uh so unfortunately i could not um get pregnant for six years so uh i delayed a lot but after waiting for about uh more than five years i decided that you know, i do not want to waste any more time so i decided to um do my advanced diploma so um registered the, for the, the, the course and i got selected so when this was happening i suddenly realised that i got pregnant yes, so the, the total uh, the course itself is about a year course but if i were to like you know to, to continue so i may have to deliver in between so that posed a lot of you know, concerns so uh at the institution level they had a lot of concern because you know pregnancy, meaning you know it, it you know you may, i may have my own challenges so that kind of you know, asking me whether would i want to um consider withdrawing from the you know, the class but somehow i was quite determined and i told them that no, i would like to continue so i, i continued while being pregnant and then uh fortunately um i managed to complete everything and then uh it was like you know, um my exam was you know, supposed to be this particular day just one day before my exam i delivered but my lecturers and everybody were very, very supportive so what they did is they arranged to have my exam in my uh, in the hospital itself so they arranged for a room and then came over the invigilator came over and you know, gave me a chance to know um do my exam so i completed i completed my exam and successfully like you know i full, i, i, i completed everything lah i would say yah i, i finished my advance uh diploma and after that i went on my maternity leave, yup right so again then, after that , when after coming back um i, i gain my focus was very much on my children so um be it again all on my, you know delayed on my uh promotion, opportunities and all these things so i focused a lot on my children i, i managed to conceive when, my second girl, the following year so thereafter, when my children all left, um i mean grew up and you know completed the um their primary education then i told myself okay, this is the time, i'm quite ready to <unk> nursing, was promoted to a nurse manager and that's how you know my career journey continued so to my, completed my nursing degree so that's how i, i, i saw myself growing in nursing yes so, uh so that's about career but of course um if you were to ask me to share something that was not uh very uh pleasant or sad would be um my marriage broke down um yah uh about, about fifteen fifteen years into marriage uh when my children were still very young, my uh when my second girl was um in p_one uh my marriage um wasn't working you know, wasn't going right things were not uh too good yeah so then um yeah, so that that there was like you know, because children were still very young they were still in, in primary school and um yeah so i, i decided that you know i'll go for a separation so i need to move out of my own home because it wasn't safe anymore for me to like you know, to stay there so um thankfully i had very uh, good family support, so uh i was able to like you know um temporary stayed with my brother so my mum and uh my brother and sister in law was like you know, kind of you know support~ supported me during this difficult period uh it wasn't um a straightforward divorce um so uh it dragged for about <c/> about five, <unk> about three, four years before the um divorce was finalised so um yes, so finally when i uh it was like my divorce was finalised i told myself that i need to move on right with my life so both my children were um, i was given custody to both my children care and custody was under me so uh that's when i told myself okay, we were like you know um it's just me and my two children uh thankfully by then my eldest already completed her uh primary six and, and, and thereafter the next year, my second also left primary school so they were in, in the secondary education so i take on my the promotion and then you know try to, i told myself that you know now it's a single income i, i, i cannot be stagnant i need to progress so that you know that would give me the provision to you know uh to give a better life to my children yup, uh a few, a bit of struggle in the beginning but with you know, good family support i managed to uh see through now both my girls are graduates and i also manage to like you know, move from my h_d_b flat um to a condominium so now i'm staying in a condo yeah all done in a very um single handedly as a single mother i think uh the work progression yeah (ppo) just excuse me for a while uh okay, sorry again, back to your question my thoughts and feelings about what again oh okay so um i, i, my thoughts are you know though uh due to situation then i need to delay things uh but i felt that you know uh my um how to say those um, those sacrifices i would say that you know, because i wanted to focus on, on my family right i wanted to start a you know, i wanted to give birth, i wanted to focus as my children and uh things like that so that definitely paid off as i said now seeing my two girls you know uh grown up to be two beautiful, wonderful children uh they are graduates and then, even like though i'm young now, as i totally i'm looking towards my retirement my girls are all, all ready to like support me anytime you know, mommmy you can holiday we are here to support you along the way they have been my pillar of support so yes i would say that you know um uh i, to some is like you know, why uh delayed all these things right it's you know curb, climn~ climbing the career ladder is you know uh it's important to some uh but to me is like you know uh giving them up initially, um i, i, i saw the the fruit of it uh late~ later on right i think uh later i realised that you know um, being a single mother uh financially i think um progression you know, progression means of course like you know um, there's like you know other perks right like you know salary increment and things like that, otherwise my salary is going to be very stagnant you know, uh yah so i, i realise that you know it's important as a single mother, i would need all these um extra um money that will be helpful then i would be able to like send my children for you know, the necessary tuition or any other support that i'm able to give it to them yeah and, and of course it's also an example to the children because my children already growing up then so then uh they will see that you know, mum is not stagnant mum is continuously uh learning and putting in effort so i also wanted to be a good role model for my children then yah uh yes i think um there are ple~ i generally, personally, i feel that you know um there's plenty of opportunity in singapore so um yeah i, i had all these opportunities so as an individual i was delaying it but i was never lack of opportunity so yeah mm yes definitely i feel um connected to singapore as i said that you know um uh there was like you know uh i uh rega~ regardless of uh race and religion i felt that i was given uh even uh gender wise there was uh equal um i, equal opportunity was you know uh was um was given to me right when,when you know and yeah, right so in that way i felt that you know, compared to some other countries you know, uh over here um in, in singapore it's like still you know um we do have you know, opportunities to like you know, um progress in, in, in life be it career, be it you know in other kind of you know um situation second key event should i say uh because in the first part i already talked about my um divorce right um yeah, so yeah, i would, i would want to like you know so that, that journey yes when the marriage broke down and then you know the children, my children was too young uh particularly my um,the second daughter was very, very um close to the father so to, to, to be able to make them understand uh what's going to happen like you know uh that like mum has to make this decision so are they okay so um i'm a strong believer that you know though uh regardless of age uh it's very important to involve children, so what i did was when i was going through this journey right i actually sat down and spoke to both my daughters says that you know look here, i, this is you know what mummy is going through, mummy and dad is going through so in order to give you all a safe environment to grow um mummy had decided that you know, mummy will you know um will, would proceed with the er divorce er with the divorce uh and what it means, i explained to them, so if it's you know if mommmy will do submit for the divorce you know, um you won't get to see daddy you know, be to stay with daddy you know, we will be staying separately um yah so um this absence of daddy figures going to be there, how comfortable are you, you know so i spoke to the children so um yes uh i, i, i, i believe they understood so they say that, yeah mummy, we are okay, you just like, you know do what you need to do so yah with that you know, with that you know that assurance i actually proceed with my uh divorce filing uh of course um bec~, uh sec~ my eldest was um quite mature in thinking the second girl uh as i mentioned earlier, because she was used to be quite close with her father though she say she's fine, uh but when we were actually um separated, when i was still living with my brother, uh she was acting up a bit initially i wasn't aware there was a lot of changes in her behaviour so um after some time i got to uh got to know this through the teacher that you know she has been, you know, there was a change in the behaviour she has been um becoming very <unk> or i mean very um how to say, um uh very uh unfriendly with, particularly um boys in <unk> uh yes you know, not friendly, not friendly ah very hostile behaviour you know she will threw away the uh eraser she has never behaved like that well, always, well disciplined uh dog, girl but suddenly this is what they, they, they saw in her become very hostile particularly towards uh male uh students uh yap so actually that call for attention, so it kind of brought my attention that hey, maybe i miss something um so started you know, paying more attention and i actually even need to bring up her for a counselling session yeah so during the counselling session, i found out that you know my second girl was actually blaming herself for this breakdown of marriage for some reason so yeah, so that was very uh heartbreaking for me mum that you know something that i didn't want my children to go through but you know knowingly or unkowingly um she has to go through that so yes so she she has to be you know um she attended the counselling session for a while you know it the counsellors you know kind of you know keep er reatriating to her that you know whatever whatever happened it's not a fault so yah it's the adult decision so slowly of course you know she she go out of it ya ka so yah right um that's something that you know um is always in me so even to date erlthough we are all you know we have passed that uh but you know u i i just cannot forget on and off i remember how my you know um daughter then have to go through these er journey yah just being very mindful yah so and and and you know i have to like you know because er i just just want to make sure that this this this bad experience you know would not affect their future er life right because children growing up in fashion and environment going through this you know sometimes you know like you know because the reason why i'm saying this is like you know uh today my girl my daughters have no boyfriend and and and not very keen in marriage so i don't know is it because they witness what i went through that kind of kind of affected them so i, i, i, always have to tell them no, no, no, you know you just have to find the right person you know um that doesn't mean that all marriage will fail yeah of course when it happened uh very broken something i mean, we don't we always build our life with a lot of you know um uh dreams right so of course, something that i never, never expect because i knew my ex uh husband uh for about six years before we actually tie the knot i thought that you know, i would be able to lead a long, happy uh married life uh but you know it didn't it is to break down in, in know in, in a very um, very unpleasant way, um yes, right so it took me um a while, very heartbroken uh but still i need to put a false front in front of my children because i don't want them to be affected um yes so um yeah at that you know, but then i'm, i'm still very proud that you know i was managed, you know i was able to like you know overcome all those you know, sadness, you know, disappointment and then and um able to focus on my children's um education and you know very importantly that you know, they have to you know um grow up as like you know, good citizens you know, a good human being um i focused a lot on that and as i said, you know, yah they, they are wonderful um children now uh in fact i always um received this feedback from especially when they were in, <unk> school um when the teachers come to know that hey they are from single um family because uh somehow rather i don't know, those days that this stigma that you know if you're divorced and you're a single parent um children from single uhbroken family will not you know, turn out well so many at times, you know uh there was this feedback from schools, from teachers they uh we are so proud, your children are so well disciplined, you know something you know, coming out from a single family yeah, so that's when i realised that you know, hey, um there's still this you know, stigma that tied to you know uh single family uh yup so now things have changed right, so i've seen that you know, they are successful individuals now so uh glad you know we uh, we managed to break that stigma which particular again, sorry oh okay uh, why is of course the, the decision that we, you know, as an adult when we, we made right so um im very particular that, that decision will not send a wrong message or, or, or will break the children right so um yes it's important that you know um that they understand yeah, so why that decision was you know uh, was made by the adults yes um so that you know um, they realised that you know, it's not necessary to you know, um live in you know in, in , in a marriage uh that's not working out because i also know i've heard stories that you know um couples who put up together though you know they, they have a lot of differences they, that they are not in an happy marriage yet for the sake of the children they, they, they will like you know, tolerate uh but um children you know um you know they are able to see and they are able to sense they know, that you know they they are not living in a, in a healthy environment so to me is like providing a safe and healthy environment for the children to you know, to, to grow well is important yes of course so um you know uh as a single parent right um i, i was still able to like you know uh um lead a comfortable life i was financially independent you know i, i, i, i so~ i saw my growth uh as i said you know uh i didn't lack anything right um be it my career, be it my you know uh my personal life i, i was able to lead at happy life uh there were so many uh support systems around right, so there was no bia~ biasness from anywhere uh my employer was not biased against me um when i wanted to, my girl was going through uh difficult time i, i'm able to connect with you know a, a counsellor so there was supports uh systems around um, yes and then uh i, i, i saw my progress as well so i was able to you know uh manage to like you know, um stay in my h_d_b flat and then save up and then even able to buy uh a, a bigger you know move out h_d_b to to the condominium and things like that so yeah, so i think that's what it means lah in singapore the um supports are there connected in the sense that you know um, there's um there's enough awareness i would say, that you know if you need um help you can, you know there are supports yes so um, yeah i think uh that's what i would say i, i really appreciated all these you know um um support you know even like you know uh that time when i was going through my uh legal proceedings so um the way uh i was given support, you know be it my lawyer, be my <c> be it the judge and then you know like yeah then there's other support that you know like i didn't feel that i'm alone so if i need to if, if as long as i'm able to reach out i would be able to get the appropriate support so that's how i connect myself to singapore event (ppl) okay i i co~ i mean i can't think anything off my head so unless if, unless i don't know okay, maybe, there's no right and wrong answer, right okay so another key event would be my uh career break so i know that i'm too young it i may or may not be too young to retire because of course in singapore right our retirement age has been always been revised and you know er increased so with that uh i, i decided that you know uh i want to retire early so a lot of people at my workforce was like, hey you're too young to retire are you sure you want to retire so i was like yes, yes i do want to retire right so then i, i, i made the decision um you know, gave a lot of you know, thoughts to it uh i decided last year that you know, okay i, i do want to um resign uh from workforce and then you know, yeah so uh so in that, that you know when i made the decision that was a lot of you know questions from everywhere so what you going to do, you're so young and then you know how are you going to spend your time what are your plans, you know would you be, won't you be bored and stuff like that uh financially um are you sure you're all alright, you know you're stable enough so so so many um questions, so many thoughts uh but then you know finally uh i, i called it a day and very um strongly tendered by resignation after working being in the workforce for thirty over years i, i, i called it the day and i tendered my resignation and i've been you know uh at home for the, the last you know three, four months yes so something that you know i wouldn't have imagined um if you were to ask me like twenty, thirty years ago whether i would really um decide to retire or safely resign the age of fifty six i will then tell you no, because so many uncertainties right so yeah, so this is something that i'm i was you know, able to do confidently yeah like initially cannot believe it hey, i've really resigned no i'm really not working i don't have to wake up in the morning to go to work, yeah yeah, i succeeded right um this is something that i wanted okay, so yup so uh of course <unk> then um slowly reality is (ppl) kind of kicking in like oh no, have i made the right decision uh yes i think honeymoon period is like you know, looks like it's like you know <unk> so initially like huh honeymoon, honeymoon, like you know i don't need to report to work you know stuff like that, but now like you know slowly approaching this topic uh with my children should i, should i try part time, can i just go back and work for a couple of hours maybe just to keep myself engaged yah so then now is like you know, rethinking maybe what should i do with my life maybe like you know, do some part time job, you know just to kill time and at the same time keep myself you know, engaged i don't want to be totally disconnected from um society i don't know what's happening outside, right because i'm no, not going anymore yeah most of the time at home yup personally for myself like you know, i thought it's important because i want to spend some quality time with my um my children and my, especially my elderly mum my mum is old um i could see um that you know she's, you know she's getting old and you know not uh that healthy anymore so a lot of other life you know, experiences, you have seen people you know like you know uh losing their parents and then sharing with you that if i only knew i would have spent some quality time with my parents you know now my parents are no longer uh around i missed, you know those days you know, i miss those times <s> i have heard enough of the those things so i told myself that you know, if i could you know um if, if, if i have that you know uh the financial um stability why don't i then give that time the bit of time to my mum because during then my, my, my mum was really um uh was there for me when i went, when i went through the divorce and all these things she was, she was there for me you know uh sacrifices a lot of her time to look after my children and uh stuff like that so maybe i thought that it is the time that i could you know, kind of return something back yeah so yeah that's why i thought that you know, retirement would be a good thing so in, in uh final years you know i, i, i can spend some quality time with her sure sorry i, i, i, that it was freezed for a while ah yes life in singapore is, is a a rat race right in singapore everything is like you know, fast paced um yes and then uh again um things are that you know um pretty expensive uh so like you know sometimes um you need to have you know um make sure that you have the you know financial stability uh because nothing is uh cheap in singapore with that especially now with the inflation so um this rat race, you know people are always rushing uh racing after something um career, career, career uh ladder is so <unk> singaporeans are very ambitious, very competitive uh yah so you, you and like you know sometimes we, we, we need to move along you know with this momentum yeah so i felt that you know, yeah while you may need to move with that momentum, sometimes we also need to pause and think what is life after all yeah work life balance uh then be at certain age when you, you have the maturity right when you then you you think and you realise that hey um work is not everything, work life balance is also extremely important mental well being is important yah my retirement uh (ppl) connected uh i, i don't know i wouldn't say really connected because as we know that you know in singapore is like you know you need to work, you need to work for many, many years into your ripe old age yeah so to me live comfortably you, you really need to like you know um have that uh finance, financial means so retirement is like you know, nice to say but may not be uh really very practical or possible yeah so in that sense, yeah right it, it kind of you know make me realise right mm especially with the inflation and stuff like that oh no, no you can't, you can't you know you cannot like call it a day yet you need to still have some uh inflow of uh money, inflow of income yup always uh high point would be seeing the success of my children yeah so you know they grow up as two successful individuals uh as i mentioned um they managed to complete uh university um and turned out to be a responsible uh citizens yes um uh because i mentioned earlier, because the stigma that is kind to um single family so because often people may think that oh you are from a single family, so single family children usually don't turn up well uh yah they may not you know um complete their education or they may not be successful in you know uh in career life so um yeah because of this stigma, that's you know that extremely very um strongly tied to uh a, a single family so often they are going even sometimes people even say that you know oh broken family, children from broken family this how they will turn out to be that's, that's about it yeah yeah, low point would be when my marriage didn't work out many years to uh break down yes that was the lowest point especially uh my ex husband um didn't, i would say that you know he didn't take it um um didn't take it well so um he was like you know, didn't realise you know uh why it didn't work out instead of working on that you know he was very adamant in punishing me for that decision so he didn't, he he made the journey very, very, very difficult yup so um in the sense that you know, i remembered when uh unfortunately um when i moved out of my matrimonial house, you know and uh and stayed with my brother uh my brother uh also stays in the same flat it's same block stay same block so it only the levels was uh different so uh like it or not uh we may have to bump into each other so it, it, it did a lot of <unk> of things that was you know it, it sounded very much like a revenge yes he will like you know um corner us like you know when im, when i bring my children for school right um bring them down he will be like waiting for us you know, under the block and then after that you know, suddenly will come and drag my children away and you know my children you know get frightened they will start screaming yeah crying, so we have to go through this, so i got to like you know daily sit down and plan how should i, you know, avoid him right so i will take different direction like you know, with the same block so like today instead of taking this lift down uh if i take down there's a chance that i'll meet him, uh my children has to meet him so therefore let's walk to the other side, take the other lift you know, how can we avoid him that, that, that you know that encounter so daily is like, i need to come up with the plan okay what can i, how can i uh plan my, my, my, my, my trip bringing my children to school so that you know they, they don't have to uh um we feel frightened and you know, go to school crying so yes that was very, very, very, very miserable um similarly like you know, it didn't spare me even at my workplace he will like you know call me at my workplace you know and then he will threaten me that you know okay today im going to fetch the children from school and you will never get to see them again after that im going to bring them far you know, that kind of you know uh mental torture that he inflicted on me and my children so that young age they have to witness all these things yeah right so not only my children you know, my brother and my mum has to like also go through because he was also angry that you know they, they um they took us in so he was also venting his anger on them yeah he will suddenly appear and then you know, there was once my brother's uh c_c_t_v uh captured him throwing away all the sleepers that were outside the corridor yeah so when we went out, like you know, there's like nothing there everything was thrown away, he will come and destroy the plants, the pot of plants and things like that so definitely that was the worst in my life yeah passed okay it was bad because it didn't only uh emotionally affect me, it affected everyone around me like affected my children uh affected my uh brother's family because my brother also have you know, young children who have to witness all these things right so it was like you know um emotionally very, very traumatising not knowing what's next, what's going to happen the next morning yah my okay of course um my hopes and dreams is to see my um children you know er getting married you know er having their own family yah so hope to be a grandmother er who look after their children you know want to give my best you know er to to my grandchildren yah part of their life yah um yah all the happy moments like retired you know um enjoy my um the last phase of my life in a happily with my uh um my little uh family my children and maybe their children and their family and of course continue to be healthy yes yes and travel around i always will tell my daughter eh hi mummy want to be healthy i will that i have to keep myself healthy so that i can travel with you all you know we can travel around we can try all the good food other countries yah where i travel to uh you know we've been to a number of countries already so now maybe uh europe yah japan ah yah countries that we have in mind yah challenges would be um of course again i mean i know i've been repeating myself but of course you know the lowest point of my life right and i went through um that you know that u divorce proceeding then the challenge is i er just wanted to ensure that you know everything will you know end well that means like you know my divorce will be finalised in the midst of this i do not want my children to be you know very badly affected right uh so uh be emotionally mentallyly um no i don't want any harm to them i don't want them to be hounding anyways yah and then um hopefully um that experience er will not um affect them adversely when they when they are to choose their life partner yah so that was my challenges then right have to make sure that you know everything goes well and then i'm able to like you know um live independently and you know live well mm okay uh i'm a very positive person i always like to see the the uhide so i believe that you know uh you can always learn every opportunity that you know present to yourself is a learning opportunity you can definitely learn a lot and from there so yes so um need need to believe that you know these two will pass so especially when it's not something that's you know that you would expect or something that's not so nice i always believe that you know better the are ahead so um strongly um breath and you knowling on it and uh yah i will go all the way um values is like you know um honour to be honest yah er honesty integrity all these er be er respectful you know to to people who are older than you is extremely important for me the principles that i have i believe because i have certain u principles right so i i value these principles so often these are the the the principles are the one that will guide me and then u of course i also sometimes do question myself okay when i'm doing something am i doing it you know um with the what the intent you know uh is it aligned to with my principles right and uh sometimes i if i need uh affirmation i usually go to my uh someone that i trusted the most trust the most to says eh please do advise me uh am i you know approaching it correctly i it is align with my values you know am i correct so these are the things that often you know guide me uh yah i mentioned yah my family members mum and my immediate family members yah i think i i lost you again so um they are my most ah trusted group so erm and and and similarly erm i think our values are all aligned right er because my mum you know she's very particular so she has inculcated in these good values in all of us so um small family but they are closely needed so erm our our values are always aligned er so therefore er i think er we do support each other so that support means a lot to me and uh yeah particularly when our values are aligned singapore generally uh my uh views about singapore is, is definitely a very um safe uh safe place right save um uh um good opportunities um very good uh support system we do have a lot of good support system um yes so yeah, very, very, very happy to be in singapore and proud to say that i'm a singaporean whenever like you know, when we uh travel overseas you know i'll always appreciate what we have in singapore like i'll say eh look at our transport system let's compare because you know, you sometimes you only able to appreciate such things when you, you know you move out of that comfort zone so i've seen this when i'm in, in certain countries right so i always say that you know we are very privileged uh to be you know, to be in singapore we do have you know, a lot of good things that you know, that they need to appreciate yeah so something that i'm very proud of over time is it i think should be okay yeah sure sure, can can sure leave it on right okay sure okay yes yes okay so now, what should i say growing up in singapore <unk> yeah so my my my you know um, my feeling and thoughts of what it is like to be a singaporean and what is it uh like to be you know, to to to to be able to like you know, grow up in singapore so uh basically as i you know, of course when uh you know a lot of things like you know, i you know we get to know when we we grew up right so initially of course uh i mean as i mentioned earlier so how we started off you know uh staying in a kampung and you know progressively uh we, we move along uh when singapore also when we started developing so um start you know those days you can you know when i was young there was like you know not much of you know h_d_b flat right so you like i cannot be like maybe not so you know, you not much heard of so all you know is like you know, kampung okay everywhere is you know kampung i'm from this kampung, where are you, which kampung are you from and you know so and what it was like growing up in a, in a kampung area so, uh like you know, nowadays we often say like you know kampung spirit is very different you know those days like kampung spirit is so different right which you cannot yeah go back and experience it anymore so added that,that opportunity to experience that the kampung spirit and then uh and uh can look back at you know those like you know uh precious moments okay and then after that of course you know, um that's where in singapore uh started building the you know um h_d_b flats and you know they were encouraging people who were like you know living in kampung for many, many years you know uh to for them you know, encouraging them to move up like you know go in, in and reside in an h_d_b flat and you know that resistance like you know, now we are so open you now um and you expect us to like you know <c> go and stay in an h_d_b flat and you know um like kind of you know confined into that you know, that closed space so uh that kind of resistance that you know, that you know you i would, i, i've seen so then you know because, then it was like nothing about privacy right so everything is open you know, everything is common, yeah then slowly we started you know we need to um move along so start to staying in you know this you know h_d_b uh flats and then um then slowly, slowly even then you know when it first moved you know i think we still brought our this kampung spirit along so neighbors doors are still open you know we can still you know, we maintained that you know, that you know that um that engagement with your neighbours yeah so it's like you know still like ah hi, hi how are you our doors open, your doors open you can freely like you know come to my house and i can you know just go over to your house and and, and over time how we see that you know, okay uh they will started becoming very seclusive you know peoples uh started valuing their privacy so within your flat is like you know okay, you just have to like you know stay in your flat you know don't disturb me uh and how like you know small, small you know noises like you know uh sounds and smell you know even smell like the cooking smell you know become so repulsive to your some of your neighbours you know just started complaining like you know yeah this person and i cannot pray when they pray they ring their bells, oh noisy oh they are cooking this you know this cooking smell so strong how we become you know so um how to say, uh intolerant right you know okay um the, the, the you know uh as long as you don't disturb me, you, you, you, stay in your own um nest i'm happy so yeah that's where we, we, we came right though we have like you know we say that you know it's is, it's a developing country um you know um but can see a lot of differences like matured estate you know, older estate and newer estate you know estate that you know that's like you know, comprises of all the young ones uh they are all like you know really, really mind their own business whereas if you move to an, a ma~ mature estate where you see a lot of you know elderly, then they come down to the void deck you know, people like you know so you know sitting down chit chatting yeah so it, it, it's, it's is, is you know uh it's so very different so how things have changed, how people have changed yeah embracing the change right so good or bad um we need you know, we have learned to embrace it right so yeah, we need to grow together so we, we have learnt to embrace someone like you know like myself i'm a very <unk> person i like to talk a lot you know i like to be always surrounded by people uh but sadly when you know when when you know when you realise that you know your neighbours like to keep to themselves you know their doors are always closed so like it or not you know you just have to embrace it and say that yeah, that's how it's going to be so we need to learn to live like that yeah so yes so we have you know i think singapore things you know always you know, constantly changing um so we have all learnt to embrace and we live peacefully <unk> with these two uh oh other sections story of singapore then uh as i mentioned earlier, i always um um i admire um this you know singapore's uh singapore for being a, a safe you know, safe country um something that you know i always feel so proud of like you know um no fears of like going out at middle of the night or coming back at middle of night uh like you know especially when now right now i'm staying right um so my condo is um it's among all the <unk> landed houses so sometimes to walk up to my uh my unit right so especially in the night, in the middle of the night it tends to be so quiet so often some of the people who are not familiar with this environment ask me eh how is it to to, to to be you know to walking up to your place at night safe ah so quiet right it's so dark right so i always always tell them yah no fear, no fear no lights no doubt you know until you like you know you walk up to to to the condos but you know when you're walking up the private uh houses right the landed houses is all so dark and you know it's quiet but is safe so you, never once i felt that it's so unsafe you know that i need some uh company to come up uh to walk up to my place so that's how safe singapore is yeah so no can't think of anything now <unk> okay there's one i would like to mention i think i did mention earlier that you know in my younger days that you know we we need to move out uh of my uh flat, h_d_b flat to my mother's uh uh quarters uh yeah so um again um one of the reason then was like my mum, myself like you know uh was um was in a difficult marriage and we, we need to like you know, um move out of that environment so that's when i saw that you know, um my mum was working in the, in this particular area how they you know, the employer, the support of the employer so they they knew that you know my mum you know have you know, four children uh young children and you know and she has to um move out of uh her house uh and and, and she's kind of stranded she has nowhere to go so they came for~ forward and you know kind of you know um <unk> offered this uh place you know, the quarters for us to stay so um yes so i realised that you know there are nice you know uh employers around kind employers, are we are willing to like step up and you know, offer help so yeah, so without um their help i think uh it would have been very very stranded yeah so this is something that i realised, that you know um you would probably not see everywhere so in, in you know, view in singapore we you, you were like you know kind of assured that you know no one you know um have to be pushed to stay in a street yes so we were given uh a roof over our head uh then yeah so that was one of the key events um yeah so uh and then, and then of of course um we, we we stayed in the quarters for um good few years and then came a stage where the quarters has to be demolished uh yes uh again my mum was you know um working you know single and then uh she, she was working alone all, all of us were still studying um so um in singapore i think uh again you know uh what i saw is like you know though it, the quarters is going to be demolished but none of us were are left uh behind so then they offered like you know okay uh you now, this is going to be demolished right so you need to apply for a flat, we will to help you, we will support you um yeah so they kind of you know supported uh in <unk> support for mum for my mum to apply for a new h_d_b flat you know, so then there were some new blocks that were coming up, they were building so uh she was given in an opportunity to apply for an h_d_b flat and you know and, and, and yes so then they all were able to like you know, moved over and you know stayed in again and you know another comfortable um place so we were not deprived of you know uh this safe housing we, we had uh uh roof over, over our head again yeah so yes so all these actually uh kind of you know make me feel very, very connected to singapore so uh personally these um you know uh my experiences right so along the way though there were challenges, but uh similarly there were also uh support yeah so like um why i would say that you know uh we always uh claim ourselves to be like you know a multiracial uh regardless of race and religion you know, equality you know if everyone is treated equally and you know things like that so i think that kind of affirmed like though we were the minority, but we were not left behind yes, yeah this particular event like the housing event the er the, the good support system yeah so, you know, um felt very sheltered yeah so like you know, breathing we were not like you know um worried that you know there's like you know um uh no place to like move on to so um they, they, they, you know, there was like you know options, opportunities yeah so like you know, we were not like you know stranded, stranded we didn't feel stranded <unk> we were given options yeah there are choices that you know, that begin, you know um lean on to so felt safe i would say okay so i, i recalled many years back you know um i think we, we were like then our uh transport 9uh) system maybe not that robust yet so there was one time uh, i was still, i remember that i was uh i was working uh in s_g_h so uh i think yeah our m_r_t system it broke, our m r t broke down so we, i wasn't able to take um the train to work so and then like you know, um then those days we don't have this you know uh grab and you know um things like that so um i remembered coming down and then you know felt so stranded okay uh how am i supposed to like you know reach work on time because this um major um rapid system is down so came down to the bus stop and realised that it <unk> the whole bus stop was so, so crowded then you know not able to board the bus because every bus that comes you know, to your bus stop is like you know, you know packed with passengers like you know can't really go onto the bus you know so i felt so stranded then unlike now if i says oh okay if i'm late to work i can you know, oh oh that there's a breakdown and you know uh m_r_t right somewhere i,no worries, no worries i can always look for alternatives you know, i can you know book a grab or book something like that you know yeah and then i think they also like you know they will arrange for free um services, shuttle services buses that to transport you so way back you know, it was not that robust so many of us felt very very stranded like we to know like you know you felt like you know the end of your world you know what am i supposed to do today, how am i supposed to reach work on time there's no way and definitely i was very late to work so yeah, so compare then and now right uh m_r_t disruption, breaking down is still happening, but i think you know, hardest uh robust systems are still available, transportation systems are available so you can still safely say that yeah would be able to say no worries you know, okay and, and i guess like you know uh announcements are prompt you know they will let you know, is everywhere like say eh there's a delay in this particular uh um service so look for alternatives yeah so you are being informed to like kind of you know promptly so that you are able to make that you know, that alternative arrangement oh so that was like miserable right there that the particular day, that particular morning was the most miserable morning that i, i could remember you know because i can still remember right uh until today so that you know that panicking feeling, going down to the bus stop, realizing that you know i'm not even able to board a bus ah okay what is my employer going to, how are they going to react of me being, reporting to work late so that fear was one side and then here like you know i, i don't know how am i going to get to work today right, so you know when you look around, turn around, everyone has this panicked look on their face yeah so yes that was like you know the miserable day lah you felt that you know your whole world is like you know, it's the end of your world so yes because i think uh largely our population depends on this public transportation right, so you know we are very largely uh dependent so when disruption like that happens right, many of us will feel very, very, very stranded um we i think singapore is uh very uh how to say take things seriously maybe learnt the lesson learnt say how, okay this something ha~ this is what happened right so how then can we like you know continuously um work towards um improving the system yeah so definitely, definitely looking for um improvement what can we do to improve you know uh oneself or you know as a, as a nation key event um maybe i, will talk about um safety in singapore right so i recalled um when you know, many years where many years back uh me and my daughter went to, we were in australia so in australia uh the you know their, their transport system is not as uh wonderful or great as singaporen like after a certain time, like you know, there's like you know no train service right so uh we need to like you know uh take a, a book a uh uh a vehicle something like uh a car, grab back to where we were staying and then um we heard a lot of you know i heard a lot of horror stories where you know how these, you know drivers like you know you need to be very careful who you book or which car you board because like you know you, you know they may not like really bring you to, to your your destination safely so then it was so late at night and then both me and my daughter has to like you know um book this ride back to our hot~ you know our place so like you know i like singapore, like you know when i book a grab right i have no fears that you know the driver will bring me somewhere else so uh yeah at any time you know uh any one of us like you know you be my child, young children or be elderly parents i can safely say okay i book this for you you can you know just like from here to there you can you know reach safely whereas over there, that you know that, that anxiety the the time that they we we went on you know went into the vehicle right till we reached our destination, i tell you there was so much of fear in you know, uh that was going through so many thoughts were like you know going through is he going at the right you know the route, is he taking the correct route would they, would this fellow safely bring us you know back to our destination you know that, that, that unsafe feeling so was like you know, it kind of kind of like you know, bothering us you know so that i would say that you know that that i can't remember how long was the journey but it was just so intense and so um fearful so maybe no peace until we reach our destination safely i think uh over here i, i, i you know i never, i never have have to experience this i can just go onto a grab or a, a taxi and you know i can just knock off i can close my eyes and sleep and i know that you know i would reach my destination safely i don't have that fear because when you say you if you mentioned the name of singapore right, people will say oh it's a very safe country eh it's, it's a very clean country right so uh the name itself you know, when you mentioning a country, i'm from singapore that this is what people will always this what comes to people's uh mind right eh it's a very safe country right yeah so, yes so what i believe and what are <unk> you know kind of you know um relates safe country (ppl)very safe country uh yes so okay because i, i mentioned earlier that uh one of my principles or values is to be you know uh to be honest and things like that so again, this is what we say like you know, because i say like when i go into you know a vehicle like i don't have to, i don't have to have that fear i know that you know these people are, are trustworthy they are honest right they i say i'm going, i want to go to this place, they will take uh the, the, the correct route and then um and and will bring me to the place safely yah i, i really run out of <unk> is it like yah then i would say that you know singapore is known to be a food paradise right when you like you know, you, you talk to any of your friends in overseas and you know yeah they always say, wow singapore wah is a food paradise right and at anytime you want to eat you know, uh you, you, you there's food like you know certain countries like you know, oh no like you know after certain time no night life, you know no food you know sorry then you cook at home are you stuff whereas over here is like, you know we are never short of you know uh in fact we are spoilt for choices right like yeah never yeah links, and then anytime right, i just have to order and then the food is at your door and, and you know whatever free time you know you feel like eating uh yes so like you know um basically um me and my children love to eat good food so often we will like you know oh check out you know, we will like you know go and google read reviews you know where do they like you know for example if i say hey i feel like eating good uh pasta okay let's, let's search you know where do they have this good pasta right then like you know we will search then we were like okay, okay, okay this particular place now i, i read a lot of good reviews you know they have nice good pasta there let's travel let's go, regardless of how far you know, you know we don't you know we, we, we, we don't mind that in the the time and the distance we will go and then uh yah so then enjoy so something that i feel that you know it's, as a group you can you know all go and enjoy this you know, good food and then like different cuisines like i don't only particularly like for example when when i went to india right but i think things have changed but uh predominantly is like what i can get it all you know food like indian food right so yeah right and then also like you know, it's like you know, you know they serve certain things at specific timing if i were to go earlier, say for example if i were to visit a restaurant at six p_m and i says that hey i, i want to eat rice sorry no rice at six p_m we only serve it at seven or eight p_m like <unk> so this is something that you know that i realised and learned to appreciate that in singapore regardless of what time, whatever that i feel like eating you know i, i, i can just travel and i eat so there's no such thing as we only serves this at this particular timing so yeah, right, so good food singaporeans love to eat right and and we connect with food i, i believe like you know whenever there's like you know, you, you plan to meet like say for example gather or meet friends say let's go shopping the first thing that will come to our mind is like, where do we eat you know what is there nice to eat in this particular place so we plan things based on what to eat right, and what nice to eat yeah so i remember during covid, when there was like you know we there's no dine uh dine in you can't dine you can only buy back and i realised that most of the shopping malls were empty right even myself i, i tell my children i don't want to go shopping because i can't sit and eat i just, i can only go buy and come back and i don't enjoy doing that that's when i realised that wow we're very very closely uh connected to, to food right we plan our journey based on what we want to eat yeah definitely again, again sorry, sorry explain what again any particular aspect, sorry i, i'm lost, uh repeat your question again yeah definitely more connected since i mentioned because we are spoilt for choices right so someone who loves eat and, and now you know i'm spoilt for choices definitely i feel very connected low point maybe can talk about the recent uh pandemic, covid yeah so i think um initially when you know um there was like you know um when covid started there was like so, so much of uncertainty daily you know um over the news and things like that we know that you know, so many people like you know um affected with covid and then uh people were dying from covid uh, what to expect um so, so much of uncertainty, there was so much of you know fierce concerns, you know to don't know what's going on and then you know then um uh a buzzling singapore felrt that suddenly came to a stop especially doing the lockdown like you know um you you, you know they discourage us from you know moving freely so there was a lockdown you know only essential you know if you see essential then you go and then everywhere you go you know you need to like you know um the people you know it's, it felt that you know you are being tracked you know, with the token you know you need to tap and you know everywhere was like you know uh oh there's only certain entry you know you can only enter by this way, you can only exit by you know through the other uh the other route you know so yah, it, it, it felt like you know um a country that was like you know a, a bustling country has all come to a stop yeah so that was the lowest point especially when you, you know you you, that role was you know um was uh going out a lot of people were dying then, the death toll was high so having you know um elderly parents with you and and, and me working in healthcare was working in healthcare right, so um so, so, so fearful that you know uh would i bring back something like uh would i because of me would my elderly uh parent will be affected what if she's affected, she has already existing chronic illnesses so would i be responsible for that yeah yeah so, so much of you know, uh fear, especially the initial uh phase yeah so i think yeah so then a lot of people will we also like you know uh when we read uh news and things like that we realised that oh when talking to people you realise that a lot of people livelihood was affected many people have to like you know close down, there was no businesses yeah and some of some of us were like you know, were counting our blessing hey, we still have a job you know no doubt, you feel unsafe but you still have a job to go to there are people whose job have lost, livelihood is being affected, yeah that would be the lowest yeah so, so much of uh apprehension like you, like you know things were changing so fast right um so one minute is like okay um no need mask, then the next minute you need to put on mask uh so like reusable mask, a surgical mask uh yah then next, the other then the next round is like you know okay uh so many cases we need to like you know go, go through lock down so, so much of uncertainties so much of fear fear of the unknown so what's next yeah how do i, how do we prepare ourselves i guess like you know um they initially, right, so covid is very new so i guess when when first started off nobody knew the extent of that you know, of that disease so um something so new so people were like you know of course at higher level, you know ministry level and then uh people were all like working so hard to like you know, to uh to, to kind of you know curb the spread uh minimise the death, um find solutions you know um okay coming up with vaccines and then even like you know, when there was vaccine, we had so much of like you know concern is it safe, is it not safe because never heard of this before and then there was also like you know rumours that you know oh you know even after vaccination people are dying from vaccination, people are dying from the side you know, adverse you know reaction yeah, right so yes until like you know uh later when we you know when, when there's like you know okay there were some, some good concrete evidence that eh it is safe you know just have to like you know follow the tight measures otherwise initially we were questioning, why this kind of measures right, yeah um i think uh um um among many countries singapore was one that they know um controlled i think, control the situation quite uh well i think we we contain it quite well so um but he tells me is that you know of course like you know, um people at the high level take things very seriously they do care about their their citizen right so i remembered in uh in vivian's speech he did, also mentioned that you know um foreigners are not supposed to travel back but he says no singaporean is left behind so if, if it's our, our, our singaporean is in overseas, need to come back and we will do all we can to bring them over yeah so that that actually says a lot about our ministers, our our seniors yeah yah so we, we, we, we , saw um how everyone came together, at of course at the high level right mins~ ministry level uh and started uh, uh putting measures together, working very fast you know um uh there was like you know um nothing was left for to chances so yes, so we, we realised that you know how uh responsible our ministers are our senior uh personnels are seriously they look at things and how efficiently and effectively they they you know they came up with measures to curb the situation, ya yeah so singapore will um remained as a safe country right uh but in recent um years we have been um seeing a lot of you know, though um we once we said we were so proud of being you know very united uh multiracial uh but you know uh during covid time you know it was like kind of you know uh a kind of you know a rea~ realisation that you know there were some dis~, racialial discrimination so that kind of, i guess it kind of affected our belief so all along we were like you know, no no no we are very you know there's no discrimination you know of race, religion in you know in singapore, we are one united people but that kind of you know, that belief was shaken a little bit so i, i hope that you know um we will continue to be uh united uh as a multiracial country uh continue to be um safe yeah strong cabinet yes like you know people like you know, continue to like you know, um give their best to the citizens yeah we'll continue to be like you know um yah a stable economy yeah how long more another twenty minutes now recently is the, i think uh the, the, the inflation right right, every um everything is so expensive i think that's where you, you always see the common people saying like uh personally i also like you know, wow things are so expensive like i can't feel like, i can't even like afford a decent meal in a day and i go out like you know things are simple, i mean food are you know, no matter how simple i order but i need to fork out this much right um yes and and and that's very concerning so because like you know, um they have increase they says that they will continue to increase g_s_t um uh yeah this is something that i think uh we don't know whether it will continue and we become even like you know uh singapore going to be the most expensive country to stay in and uh what's going to happen to, to some of us and then uh even if you were to uh talk about um job stability yeah everyday you like you know, these many people you know made redundant, they have lost, they lost their job so um is there going to be like you know, job stability so how do we then manage like you know, with an increasing um inflation um yeah and that yeah with you know, with low income no, no job i guess there's i mean um they have like you know, uh there are announcements or promises that you know um yes that we, we are creating job as long as like you know people are not fussy you know you would be able to like you know, find yourself you know a,a, a, a job and then may not be your ideal um job right but something and then of course like you know those who like you know um have financial difficulty, that's like you know there's a lot of awarenesss that you know, help is within reach you can reach out yeah so yes there are some like you know, kind of assurance that's like being you know, given <unk> think of these challenges think um maybe again significance of these challenges i guess um we have to understand that um inflation is not only in, in singapore so i think globally uh i think this is a problem right so yeah, correct so sometimes it's, it's like you know um understanding that something um that it's like you know, it's not um it's not, it's not it's unavoidable uh but how can, what are the things that you know that are in place uh for work around yeah singapore's overall outlook sorry, sorry i don't understand this question, again outlook of, uh outlook on what again 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NZR96596_090423_1400_2012.docx | yah that's fine yah correct um , no <unk> <unk> you you want to hear from my , when i'm young all the way to adulthood or ~ what what is it exactly you are , you wow (ppl) , okay er , so i i okay , i'll start off i grew up in a family of four okay er my dad is the only sole bread winner my mom is basically a housewife , er and the others in my family er there’s er , i have er three oth~ , three others siblings uh yah er i got two brothers and one elder sister er , we grew up in a family of about er , quite er , how to say , yah it's only a single er , i mean single income family er so it's quite tough yah in terms of , er , financially and yea erm , yah we live in a three room flat , just a normal three-room flat er , er yah , i mean , parents wise it's er <c/> a bit stressful er we always stress a lot on education , yea er , we don't get much help in terms of uh tuition all this , it's all on our own as we grew up er , ye, yah yah yah i finished my, studies at a diploma level er , and after that i serve, my national service in the police force for two and a half years er , yah after my national service , it's where i , i started my working life yea , with a, a diploma lah yea uh i took up a job, er with er something related to my diploma field , er , which i stayed on for about one-half years before before i move on to another, er, another job yeap i decided to change job lah into a service industry where i joined the sinagpore airlines industry for about eight years , yea as a cabin crew yea er, during that , uh uh <unk> the time in <unk> where i actually got married at the age of uh 27 , yea uh and that is when i yea , started to move out from family lah , and i start to , my own family er , yea , after about two , yea , one year , yah one year or so when i got my first child <unk> and followed by yea , er yah five years on the road i got another like my second child yea , <unk> mm, er family life yea , back then me , and my wife are working both of us are working, er what else er , after five years i quit , i quit sq again then i joined a prison service and until now i'm feel still in the prison , yea i'm waiting for my retirement <unk> err yah , if you talk about now <unk> yah , now more supporting my family lah and everything my four kids lah yes other than that nothing really yah yah as in the , the first section mm-mm, i think the growing up yes , uh growing up yes er , my early childhood days uh <unk> of a , wah er , er , my younger days yah it will be my er , i wouldn't say adulthood it will be three sections lah , i will break it errr er be my erm i started out with what uh , sorry younger days uh you said my younger days yah yah then probably i go into okay er , cannot be adulthood , right yah , maybe yah adulthood yah yah, yah , yah , yah that is parenthood lah <unk> first key event erm , first key event it can be happy or sad , right anything right, yea i would have to say yea , uh , graduating, from my , er , my , my studies yah yeap eh , never did i thought that i would have make it because er , i wouldn't say i , those thought , those type of person who , who , who , who put on a lot of effort in~ to studies ar , back then , yah so , when i , i, i graduated with a diploma back then i felt that it was a great achievement for me sorry er , singapore poly ah singapore poly , yah , yah civil , civil engineering yah civil engineering yah yah err, er , second probably is <unk> sure , sure i , i , i would have , er , i mean , i would, think that without that diploma , i wouldn't be the person right now who i am yah , it , to me , i think it's a ticket for me to , to where i am right now yah although , it's just a diploma back then , but i think that is , er , one of the most important ticket ah without that i think i would not have been where i am right now er , i mean , that's where is , it is always , in my mind reinforced you know minimally , you must have some education , yah , somewhere lah yah okay yah okay , with this diploma , right , it led me to other opportunities where i , i got my first job , which , er , it wasn't planned , er , but back then was because , er , my dad stopped , stopped working so , there was no other , by the age of , i think 45 , he stopped working so , yah he , he , he , he , he , er , he , he , i wouldn't say it's a burden but the responsibility to take care of the family goes down to me than , you know , my brother , my sister were all still studying so , i , i , i, i needed to work immediately after my n_s , which i did , you know , almost , almost , uh when i already , immediately got a job , and yah , uh my first thought was just to support the family which i did lah and thankfully , again , it's because i have a , a diploma , you know if without a diploma , i wouldn't have been working as a , as a technical officer with a company , <unk> yah so , i , i , i'm thankful lah , in that sense that i have have at least a diploma back then yah hm , definitely , i think if you ask me , singapore is everything about education you know , without education , you are nowhere , you know look , right now , i mean , the standard so high , you know , uh everything about academic , yah , they , they , without this entry level , you don't have the bare minimum , then , you know , too bad , you know in, in terms of any organization you join also , they fill the consistency of , er , academic qualification , yah so , i mean , my time back then we never thought of all this that is important and really , we got it from our parents , you know , saying that , we need this , we need that , yah , but, we never think that it's , <unk> until now , when you become parents yourself when you realize that , you know , in singapore , it's all about , yah , its all about education , yah <unk> no , no <unk> <unk> more or less connected to the , sorry i , i won't say, i mean i, i won't say i'm connected to singapore but uh it is , it is , to me , it's more of , er , i , i need , i need <unk> to survive in singapore , yah uhh, yes , it's an allegation that singapore system has it , has already built and it is such that <unk> you need to be on board if not , you'll be left out er , whether i feel connected <c/> erm , to a certain extent , yes but not entirely without it yah yah <unk> okay erm i would have to say when i caught into a job with singapore airlines , uh , back then , in fact , i was look~ looking and a friend of mine from poly actually err, encouraged me to go along with him , and the , we, we have been trying , but i , i , <unk> in fact , i wasn't interested at all , because uh , i already secured a job and then i don't want to change job <unk> but he interested and you know , er , yah i end up going with him and end up i got the job , you know erm , it was an eye-opener for me because i've never traveled before i never took a plane before and i didn't know anything about, that's why, you know , as a matter of fact , i , i wasn't a service~ oriented person , you know i don't like talking to people , in fact <unk> i'm those quiet person who always shy away from people so , when i was going through the training , it was an eye-opener for me yah , it changed me , changed my perception to a lot of things how i see singapore , how i see other countries and how i see people lah uh , in a way it changed me sq really changed me for eight years that i learnt more about people and how to communicate with people how uh yah , how they trained us , uh uh not everything is good yah , i would say , yah uh , yah , uh , i only quit there because i got married and have kids <unk> but i would say the experience there really changed me a lot and molded me to a a different person okay yah at one point , yah , it was difficult for me to actually leave singapore airlines because it was too <unk> it , it get into <unk> too comfortable in a way , yah if you asked me if the job is quite , er , how to say uh , it's quite a mundane job , it doesn't need brain it's just you know , <unk> it become , uh it become <unk> at times , <unk> you know , you just work for them at times when you fly <unk> do anything else yah, your brain just switched off , yah so , yah maybe that's because <unk>, i decided to <unk> and leave the place lor yah yea why er as in as in again uh , i would say all this journey that have like , would have make me , who i am lah yah er , i wouldn't be the same person if i have not gone through the biggest in my life that i quote , you know , i worked in a , in a construction firm , followed by singapore airlines , where they trained me in a way i learn , i pick up certain skills where actually it helps me to develop to compare the person and , and after that, i joined uh, singapore prison service lah , yah towards my <unk> , end of my career , yah erm how did that happen erm erm , because of my job as <unk> , you're expected to see people , er , you have to , you~ , you, you, you, you have no choice yah , you have talked to people and , and it builds that confidence in me i have to say , i used to be very quiet <unk> i don't like to talk to people that much when i joined sq , it , it , it , opens up a lot of things that to me , and and and i become more confident talking to people in all walks of life uh it, it's a diverse group, of people <unk> and it <unk>, it changed me in that sense , yah uh i wasn't, so quiet , and , you know , i'm more willing to talk in that sense , yah as in , i , i, i don't see any relation to singapore yah it's , it's just another, uh journey for me that , you know , i need to pick up a job, uh, that , that pays me, and so that i can pay , yah , whatever , to support my family , yah and i mean, never really <unk>, i mean , in singapore , right , we have to face it , you know, you don't have a job yah then , a lot of problems are coming where , you know , you can't live without a job in singapore everything you need to pay , you know er , so , it, it's been in our system such that if we don't work , you, you know , there , there comes, all the trouble , you know yah so , you're expected, to contribute, to the , to the society in any way lah , whether you have work and , and find your way to , you know , make money it's not going to be easy for you , yah okay the good thing about singapore is, there's always, opportunity for you to be employed yah , that's , thats good , yah uh, uh, but , you , you have to try to, find your ways lah to find , find a job that , that , suits you yah that's just one thing good yah , but the other thing is its competitiveness, in the , the standard of living in singapore , uh , which makes it, harder for , for, for normal people like us , uh yah , yah , yah , it's never easy yah and the pace that we are, going through yah, it's very fast , yah , yah uhh if, if i can quote an example , er , my first house , i bought it at two hundred over thousand , er , five-room flat and now , it , it costs almost, tripled you know, it can't get a five-room flat for two hundred thousand anymore and you're talking about my salary back then was , was , yah , probably about, hovering around two thousand plus , yah so , our salary don't go , you know , tripled in , in in ten years or you know or even twenty years you know so , yah , it doesn't correspond the salaries, that we are retaining so, what i'm trying to say yah , in singapore , yes , you have a job you know , that doesn't mean it can secure your good life yah you are not talking about other things like medical , and supporting your family , supporting your , your, your, parents yah so , yah if you ask me whether i'm connected to singapore , then, it's a tough uh, answer lah mm-hm in, in, in, yah when i send off people , people like us where, day-to-day where we have to wake up in the morning , early in the morning , go to work and come back home yah erm , earning, a, a salary to support the family to make ends meet and yah , very enough to make it yah , er , uh hoping that you don't get ill you're not talking about , you know , living in a bungalow , or yah i mean , that's my , yah , being of a, normal people lah in singapore er , yah , i think the third event has , had to be the event when i decided to settle down in ninety-ninety seven, when i got married to my wife and greeted the, happiness is that definitely getting my first child yah i, <unk> <unk> ahh , i mean , it's related yah, i got married at ninety nine and, then in two-thousand , i got the baby lah that is one of the , i mean happiest moment in my life when i got my first child , yah a different stage of my life where you, help pick up the role of a dad <unk> i'm not romantic guy so~ we dated for a few months and then, and yah , same thing , yah we decided to apply for a flat yah and normal like singaporeans again yah, that's the first thing in our mind before , yah , we got engaged and got a flat yah, ahh , yah , then we decided to tie the knot then then we got married er , yah , yah , following year , yea , the following year oh yah , uhh, yah , following the year after we got married my daughter was born , hm , yah , then , yah father responsibility comes into the picture whole life change, yah the whole life change again now you are a , take care of someone <unk> , yeap hm , okay ah, i mean , yah , time flies very fast ah and next thing i know is that my daughter is twenty-plus years old and the recollection of mine , i mean , when she was young , i still, i still see her as a baby lah yah er, of course , yah , different you know every time, <unk> , just have to accept it and, what were the questions again uh yah i have to, i, i would have to say that yah , things really move very fast uh yah i mean it was very fast the next thing i know yah they already growing up already they're going to take next phase of their life already yah and i'm towards retirement already how do i feel i wish i can retire early but, yah , it's everybody in their mind , yah but again , this is singapore you retire without any planning , yah , i think not going to be a retirement it's going to be another thing so , yah , i'm looking forward , to retirement but yah , hopefully , it turns out well yah i can only plan , yah okay er , okay it is, it is different , you know er, when you have a child , you , you have to start thinking of how you want to maintain this family and , and, and, and all this responsibility as a dad and you want to raise your child well you know , <unk> what , what you have gone through inside , er , you want to, to make sure that you can raise them well you know in fact , better than how you went through lah that's that's me lah yah you want have, you want them to have a good life yah that , that's one reason why i keep my , i mean <unk>, me and my wife actually uh kept uh our decision to keep doing it , to keep lah ah so that we can give them the best lah in that sense yah <unk> i mean , okay , singapore as a nation you talk about marriage , yah they encouraged us to get married , they encouraged us to give birth , uh yah uh they encourage every young couple to make more babies er , but then again , let's not forget about raising a child, it's not cheap, yah it, it's pretty expensive for one child, the government is saying that you have all the subsidies and you have all the help that you can get , but , er , how much of , er , yah , uh help that actually reached the <unk> family i'm not too sure i, i , i mean , if you , if you look, yah, i mean , if you look at it , that's what the government is trying to do right uh in fact , the other way , we are not , we are , we are facing a very low fertility rate , uh not many couples , and not many people are tying the knot on , for that matter i think maybe not many couples are uh, erm making babies largely , i mean my opinion i would, i would think it's because of the , the life that we are going through , everything is expensive , couples have to work , <unk>, everything , i mean you want to raise a child is no more like, you know , like last time , you know , the kampong base is now is different everything is is expensive , yah so , the investment that you are gonna put in a child is, yah , unk gonna affect your family life yah <unk> all right , i can't feel , i can't feel the connection before okay er , high point , high point maybe i moved on to my <unk> life lah, where, i climbed through the ranks , yea , so at the age of i think, forty , after about ten years <unk>, i was offered to a senior, officer role , yah , so i had to go through the uh, training uh, at the age of forty plus , yah have to go back training and yah , ahh yah , probably that would have yah be one of my high point , uh , in my life uh yah who was involved i guess my immediate supervision back then er , i mean , er , because of the , er , our worker is a promotion , yah , and it changed a lot in terms of, their, err, they did the , the rewardslah yah it's not so much so the , yah , there's the work itself also changed so, yah, i guess that comes , yah , the biggest thing is reward that comes with itlah yea, of course i'm happy when it first came to me and definitely uh first you see yourself as <unk> you are recognized , your effort is recognized , your hardwork is recognized that's one of the most important thing so , other then that there are <unk> , you~ yahlah , the~ satisfaction you get but then your effort is being recognized uh that's one, one of the most important thing so , other then that there are <unk> , you~ , yahlah , the~ satisfaction you get lah but then yah your, your effort is being recognized <unk> hm , if work hard you are recognized ah you~ need to show to the bosses that , yeap , uh you are somebody that is reliable and can pick up a higher responsibilty it's all boils down to hard work er , you , you, firstly you need to keep your confidence your bosses that you can do your job well er , you are independent er , you're , your're able to pick up uh more responsibilities lah and then , ahh and and not just doing just what you're supposed to do right , you you have to show that you can do , er , better then other people you know better then your peers , yah so when you're able to show all this thing yah, uh get a good boss yah not all bosses are good yea you are unlucky , you~ will get the recognition that yah , that you deserve ah yah yah you did yah yea yeah low point ah <unk> <unk> the only thing i can think of when i lost my grandmother yah when i was between sixteen or seventeen years old yah <unk> what happened uh uh i mean she was old , and she got sick and , and i had to , wait , it was not 16 , i think was much older than that at first , i was the one who brough her to the hospital lah yah and my uncle was , er , was didn't agree with my , yah , bringing her to the hospital so , she passed on when she was at the hospital itself yah that would be my lowest point <unk> ah of course very sad yah uh i love her a lot uh uh back then can't really decide how i feltlah , i was at lostlah but we , yah as in, you have to accept the fact that yah everyone has to go so , oklah mm mm just that you , when you miss, <unk> you will miss the person that you love most and yah it wasn't easy for me back then lah yah and being the last person that yah talk to her , and you know, yah erm was there with her and then next thing you know that she's gone yah maybe because back then when i , because she actually fell in , in , in the house and yah , and, and, yah and what i got to know was , there was some interior bleeding lah, so <unk> if she would have received treatment earlier , she may have survived maybe , maybe yah , yah so , it's just that when we found out it was quite late ah that was then that time when yah i decided to bring her to the hospital straight lah yah of course he didn't agreelah because <unk> , er , i still remember because my grandmother insisted that she doesn't want to go to hospital yah , but when i saw , yah , when i heard that she already , you know pale and <unk> color of her skin had changed right <unk> <unk> that time , i just made a call sneeze to bring her down yah definitely yah uh-huh i guess old people don't know how to (ppl) answer this question but , uh , ah i guess <unk> old people hm, not easy being old in singapore yah , nothing much for them to do i guess yah, you tried to relying on their families ah so can you imagine <unk> old people that doesn't have family , yah ah i mean i can only speak for my , my , my late grandparentslah at least , you know , they have grandchild , they have <unk> to be there then uh what about those singaporeans , old singaporeans all without family member's what's gonna happen to them , yah ah we have seen a lot of stories where uh because you know, you uh found, when they found them their they already, you know probably died for a few days which is very sadlah it's very sad ah there are also stories about all these old people , right , who work just to survive for , for yah eh , it's not easy uh <unk> nah , nah , it's fine , it's fine , yah , it's fine during <unk> for my future , i hope i can retire when the time for me to retire , i can retire uh uh yah , and hope to be healthy and not burden my kids when i retire and probably do some traveling when i retire er probably go overseas with my wife and yah , and driving up <unk> to malaysia probably yah i think i , i would say i <unk> with my life , so i'm left with one third of my life where i would want to see my kids , er yahlah um, er take the next step in their lifelah where they finish their studies and get marriedlah er for us parents er it'd be lovely to see you know grandkids ah yah the next step of my life lah <unk> yah, and before our dying bed yah hopefully have er opened this era yah er yah before <unk> yah <unk> okay okay er greatest challenges in what , life er can maybe it's proving myself that i'm worthy of doing what i'm doing right now er , in terms of my job er how do i say this uh erm i mean , i'm working with the government and yah ah, everything is about qualification so they, they see , they see career progression that's tied to your qualification so , uh people with uh qual~ better qualification yah, career progression is faster uh they~ they get better post yah, er, yah er, bosses see them differently yah , but uh i'm a person where i climb for <unk> funds and , and having , i mean , considered , the <unk> that i'm having and the qualification that i have uh definitely very , very , considered very low so , yah , one of the greatest challengers yahlah , prove to your boss that even though it's the bare minimum education that you are , if not, better , you are equally as good as always, yah you'll be <unk> with er yah good qualification yah i won't , yah , i won't say it's a struggle to work <unk> er you may not be getting yah what you expect to get lah it in that sense yah ah erm but through your experience , and through, er i guess you have to overcome certain things and you also have to manage expectations in that sense when you manage expectations yahlah , you just have to yah be glad and contented of what you are and what you're doing that's itlah yah yah <unk> uh if you asked me personally , i didn't really address it ah yah er yah because at my age there's nothing much i can do yah i'm going into yah with <unk> and i'm just speaking on behalf of these peers that comes on board that i knew ah uh we have, we have uh longer runway in their career and energy , uh share their , share their yah, yah their their problems and they what they think <unk> okay i personally is the middle manager so , sometimes i tried to tell them that you know , i don't want them to just make the <unk> so yah so, they di~ did see the same problem , yah , yah , probably come with just a minimum <unk> degree and , and , as compared to those who uh better and they climb faster , so , yah i sometimes i mean, i do give advice , <unk> tell them that you know just do your best your time will come <unk> and my boss see that , that , that potential in you and yah you get that break in yah you may just end up where you want ah but , but we have to accept the fact that , you know , no one , there's only one commissioner of freedom you know yah uh, not everyone can become the commissioner of freedom as well so yah, so you , you , you have to be yah lah realistic lah in what you want as well lah yah in fact , my, my commissioner, my current commissioner is just a normal graduate from n_u_s yah she was an engineering student for the law <unk> background yah and she join that organization and that's where she go, and they see her potential and yah and she went for further studies and now she's a commissioner <unk> yah yah that~ that's another part of the story lah yah but what m~ what i'm i'm trying to say that yah , it's a lot of new~ entrance that~ joined our organization ah, and they are <unk> yah that's why alot of them would stay a few years and <unk> yah significant , hm , er actually what this what this~ how how i see , how do i apply this is basically <unk> <unk> my kids lah basically yah so i tell them that at the end of the day , in singapore , okay er education is the most important you can say whatever you want but without a bare , bare , uh if~ you're looking at it right now , basic degree is the minimum basically maybe my time diploma is still can survive , even o' levels , you still can survive , but in the near future if you don't have any education then yah even if we gonna be get left behind ah yah it's not likely to survive in singapore with just a basic degree yah <unk> even that , even , even with a basic degree , it doesn't mean you can have a good quality life i can tell you one <unk> yah definitely yah , yah , yah mm <unk> i , i believe in shaping people in my life uh i guess in <unk> a hard work and , <unk> and, being humble yah these are the three things definitely my religion , the way i've been brought up by my parents uh uh in , in , in general , yah , it's not <unk> yah , <unk> moral compass , of course , that's the main compass that we follow that has to be good <unk> <unk> most important value, uh <unk> or <unk> <unk> yah <unk> yah integrity integrity integrity why do i say that uh i guess it's one of those values that is either you have it or yeap , you don't have it then , yah , i guess it's not easy to it came back fast yah <unk> a community or group that is important , important nah , there is just me and my family yah that's all sorry , i, can you repeat that again respect one another nope uh that's all (ppl) okay i'm fine yah <unk> yah yah <unk> okay i find it difficult to talk about singapore , i don't know why yah maybe i just , yah uh i~ i won't this part talking about singapore perhaps <unk> , the, population wise uh singapore used to be not so populated when i was growing up yah i~ , i don't remember uh seeing the , you know , faces so crowded or i don't recall uhgoing to the <unk> where you have to queue for so long yah but look at us now you know uh three years down the road , yah what has happened in singapore , we have had so many uh immigrants or americans you know people from all walks of life ah so , i, i don't really understand the identity of being a singaporean anymore lah uh we we used to know that , okaylah , there's malay , chinese indian and uh eurasian but nowadays , you know we are seeing so many kinds of people <unk> yah erm i agree , yes , singapore , yah , it's open up to the , to the , ah, ah ah you know other country of people to come in ah to tap into their expertise and to help singapore grow <unk> but to what extent are we sacrificing what <unk> singapore identity <unk> yah erm, and, and look at us now but what~ what's happening now i think we are overpopulated uh, and, the, eh yah lah, it's it's like a sometimes hor, during peak hours is like a like a you know, sardine <unk>, we are packed everywhere we go so , crowded ah i~ i'm not talking about the , the workers that we have yah those people are fine they, they are helping to build singapore as a nation i'm talking about other people that come to singapore lah yah uh, uh i mean it's affecting the quality of life that we have used to have this is one yah , the change in the number of people <unk> yah tremendously affect for daily life that's one maybe second , the education system ah lately we've been seeing a lot of kids , erm, stories of kids uh doing, a community im~ impact yah like seaside er i'm not too sure <unk> but uh we can <unk> <unk> lastly <unk> , yah most, most of it is <unk> <unk> of stress or schoolwork and the pace that we are going through the mental stress that they are going through yah so , it, it's definitely a concern uh as a parent myself yah, i~ think , yah , we are, i think uh pushing it a bit too hard so, it's very sad when you hear stories , you know yah , they are kids come again to start at a very young age , yah and lastly due to because of the education stress that they are going through , so , where do we strike the balance ar~ , yes , we need to progress the nation yah we need to be on top of things, we need to have that standard yah but <unk>, the other side of it we forget ah yah the mental wellness part is painful for <unk> yah <unk> <unk> and <unk> yah and multiracial which <unk>, yeah yah that~ that's the, another section yah yah the education system, yah <unk> yah but yah, yah so, i feel the other part would be the, erm apart on the <unk> can say more, if you look at ah the life that they're going through is that yah the people that face, singapore what you see singapore now, it's because of their sacrifices yah er, er but if you look at it now, like it's very sad you know to see a seventy year old man still working, where, you know they should be retiring, you know, <unk> enjoying their, yah their life put the end of them on, <unk> but that, they have to be wiping table, so <unk> all these cups and plates, you know for, yah lah, yah, our life is different this, this is something, yah lah hm, i guess this is the, singapore <unk>, yah at the, uh at a old age, you still need to work ah, yah yah, yah that's my last part of it ah ah uh, oh this is uh, for, the, the first part, i <unk> so the, general, thing lah, i, i mean, for me, i~, i, i take bus everyday, it's sickening to, to, to <unk>, these kind of crowd everyday you know, you know, when you go to work and, and, and, and the train is so crowded everyday, day in, day out yah, yah and protect~, protecting else lah, in that, that sense when you get so stressful, you got people to commit to work you know, yah ah, yah, one should not think that way ah you know, when, when, when you travel and, you know how you end up, feeling you know why, why, why is this happening, why is this happening in singpore and then <unk>, singapore wasn't active twenty years ago, twenty years before, yah, what was hurting, well, why suddenly you know, so definitely, sometimes everyday you know, you go through it, <unk> you may, feeling the pain, you know, like, you just happen to fall so, and there's nothing much you can do things are not going to get better, things are just going to get worse ah i suppose, yah, we have the best transport system, we have the best, uh yah, everything, health system ah but hm i mean, er, i get angry sometimes, yah, you, you can't react is it, you, it~ it's just a feeling where, i mean you can't blame the commuter, yah, yah, is, something that you just have to, deep inside ah, fol~ follow it ah, i suppose yah, but it's not healthy in that sense you know everyday you are facing it ah, you complain, that's why they say what singaporean got complains about this, why are we complaining about, because we are facing all this yah, they, they are, yah, you force us to go to work and, yeah uh, you're a bunch of complainers but, perhaps yah, we, we maybe because why we complain because we, we are comparing ourselves last time in singapore, and now, it is, it is different ah it is yah that's one reason why we see alot of singaporeans complain ah, i suppose singapore is considered a developed country yah, and, and, and as a nation yah we always talk about what we have the best on, about <unk>, we have this, we have that, cause, yah, we and~, and we are not paying, i won't say, singapore <unk>, <unk> in term i mean, is not one of the most expensive yah, in terms of reliability in terms of, uh comfort in family, uh still, can, can, can be better improved ah, i suppose yah, uh, cars are not cheap in singapore, yah, they're crazy, the price, yah and, so, i, think almost, i need to sense of uh uh committed to travel, yah in public transport, yup uh but everyday we have to face the crowd, hm it's, it's just that feel lah you know, you going to work day in, day out yah okay, <unk> face, yah, this type of crowds okay yah, i~ don't really, think that they, really, <unk> has a problem, to them, it's in singapore, uh we need to, you know look at, singapore progressing well, yah even if you complain nothing has, changed yah, uh which is, how it is, yah you, you just yah, need more people and more, more people coming to singapore and yah the, they, they, they, they will always say that they will, improve the system and you know, mending a lot of other things and <unk> <unk> at the end of the day uh once you're overcrowded yah without, i think i'll change uh ah actually just have a start numb uh if we don't like , <unk> i mean if you don't like singapore, you leave lah yah that's the message i get yah definitely less connected, why i, i as, as a singaporean i don't get, the, i mean you get the feel that you are, less important ah so in that sense is like, yah, if these are just the simple things that we, we just wanted to enjoy but, we are unable lah so, yah and the problem is not getting better it's getting worse in fact so where we are now, it's yah, er although they said they are controlling the, number of uh, immigrants, er coming to singapore uh i don't, view that happening, uh, mm uh what we are seeing is more and more immigrants, coming to singapore and the, the, the danger is you are getting more and more rich people that, is coming to singapore so, the income, get's gonna get bigger and bigger and bigger, and yup that's when you see yah, singapore system will just, crash lah, yah if you fall through the cracks (ppl) then yah, you're not careful then, yah, it is, yah for me erm it, i~ i mean i can just talk about, the, the prices of houses that's to be fair, uh one reason, the houses are getting expensive and you don't, you don't talk about, the private housing it, it's, it's already yah for the high income <unk> and if you look at the, who are these people who are buying, uh all the, the private, private properties are mainly foreigners uh these are the people, who you know, who are cash <unk> and you know they come, yah with money, and all and, and then is, it~ it's not gonna affect them that much and you know, we, it's different for us where we earn a living and we, we, you, you're talking about you~ how to compare yourself you know you probably earning, uh sighs, a sum of, six, seven thousand, eight thousand, versus somebody that's earning like, hundred over thousand in a month or~, probably two hundred over and a billion a month, so since, it's just, it's just gonna get ex~ more expensive and expensive and, so, yah, we don't talk about even <unk> bottom income <unk> maybe in the middle income also <unk> significantly affected, yah yah so when are they gonna put a stop i don't think so <unk> uh you will just see more rich people coming into sing~ singapore and singapore basically is going to be a, even for them ah yah and people like us uh, lower income, bottom income, will just be, yah work <unk>, yah we will work, towards the end of the life, yah that's what's gonna happen uh then, that was the education system right, if i, hm i can't think of any event now, (ppl) yah but, but, but you are talking about, singapore event as in, as in, like ah anything i wanted to <unk> <unk> or, what~ yah <unk> yah maybe we move on, <unk> yah, yah mm this is about singapore ah, uh we were talking about right, currently, i can't think of any, that, that, yah people move one, so fast yah, we grow as <unk> very far uh, we have uh <unk> system, uh a safe country erm, erm er we are <unk> a lot of top talents and to come to singapore uh people believe in the singapore system a lot of countries are, are, are, uh yah, is there any from singapore i'll, i'll, i'll be drifting, uh, we have one, of the best leaders, yah in singapore, and, how, how it's, all the singaporeans yah, er, <unk>, quite amazing lah uh having a multi racial, society, <unk>, you know, <unk> especially when, where you, more spacious, uh quite amazing ah, ah, i~ i think it's also because of the law that has been, or the strict law that we have ah and that could, uh, uh yah lah, people confronting to <unk>, <unk> mm yah, among the people like that, uh i mean, as a country i guess, yah singapore is a liveable country now, definitely, you know it, it got somewhere, you, you, like they <unk> other country, because you know broad daylight, like <unk> uh yah <unk>, committed in broad daylight, you know, it, it doesn't happen in singapore, it like i mean they do have crime but not as bad as that yah for that <unk> i guess yah singapore is, really a nice place today mm there's a lot of job opportunities uh and in terms of employment, i was there yah, yes the government has done their job, to make sure that, yah, that's all, <unk> yah, further opportunities for everyone to get a job lah mm i can't think of any hight point yah yah yah the changes like, <unk> yah i think as a nation they've done, they~, they've done very well like a <unk> uh more could be done for the people, especially for the people looking at <unk> it's my personal thought yah, more could be done, yup, yup why is it so good as in the nation singapore <unk> i mean singapore is, it's a, even though we are a red dot, just a red dot, but we are at <unk>, over the world, you know, you talk about singapore, people will remem~ remember our name, lee kuan yew the gap, <unk> and, and, singapore is, is a country i mean we don't have any resource, yet we can, you know, uh attract so many top talents to come to singapore that make~ us top lah, uh and, and look at the, yah erm, i, i, we are known ah, er in singapore is, is well known even though, we have nothing to show that, like when you talk to other people in the world people also, from separate country, and yah, yah, ah yah, but, it's, it's great if you are uh rich you know, er, your <unk>, your job yah, and like if it's not so great then, yah, you don't have a job you know, you're, you're not rich, you're not, you're, you're not, not born in a rich family lah, yah uh <unk> uh i, i think, i already said just now, singapore as a nation, they have done well, they could do more for the people lah, er er i think we are one of the richest country in the world uh, but i still don't, see, erm, <unk> uh i mean, yah maybe <unk> lah the help lah <unk>, some of this, yah low, lower income people like that, that needs the help <unk> yah, to be provided, yah for the people, ah i, i actually, what yah i'm, i'm, i'm referring to the help that they are, ah i'm talking about the healthcare, we are not well <unk> we're not a welfare state, yah, i, i still think, we are, we should look into how we, er provide the necessary subsidies to all, the people who doesn't have income, and would <unk>, basically er but yah, in terms of medical yah it's not cheap it's one of the most expensive, uh yes we have subsidies, and have <unk>, we have all sorts of , yah substances where, there, to, to, to ensure that, nobody is uh manipulating the system or <unk> yah but we are talking about, uh, being real singaporeans, yah, who really, need the help, yah whether is, really, deep down, we have alot of quality, we have alot of, yah, <unk> but i don't think so it's, reaching to the matter first, yah i feel less uh hm, so, one reason is, i, i still believe that they can do more you can do more to help all the people and~ , i, i think <unk> they can actually reach out ah, to the, their group of vulnerable people ah rather than they just, come up with, quality and yah but yah they, just yah, just to show lah yah hm singapore low point, hm doesn't come into my mind at the moment, yah <unk> yah yah yah, i'm fine, i'm fine, yah, yah can can yah, but it's just that, yah doesn't seem to ring a bell, yah yup, that singapore, yah has its lowest point i can't think about it something like that, yah yah sure, yah definitely i~, i hope that singapore, uh i've thought of <unk> before, yah, yah, i, i wish that, things, soon, get good benefit ah in that sense that you know, hm <unk> generation couldn't afford even the, to buy a flat ah there's definitely a, concern ah, when you look at now, now thirty five years of uh properties are uh <unk> and, and, and it, it doesn't correspond with the salary that, that uh yah and their generation ah are getting yah, so, hopefully singapore, er, i don't know how they're gonna do it but, prices of the flats are not going down, going up and up and up, yah the salary, they're not, going up that fast, okay yah the standard of living of singapore is, getting yah, higher and higher and the inflation is yah, getting higher and higher, yah everything is very hard definitely a concern for me i'm, i'm just hoping all this, yeap doesn't go, very sad if you see a lot of singaporeans migrating ah, yah then in the end you are getting, other countries, i mean, other people that's coming in to, singapore instead of the real singaporeans ah so, to singaporeans it means questionable lah, at the end of the day whether you really see the core, singaporeans or, you end up saying yah like immigrants ah yah the next chapter, uh definitely, i, i really hope that people can really, hire younger, er have a better quality of life, uh don't have to think too much about, hospital bills or medical bills, yah they can wake up, everyday, going for a walk and, and enjoy the day you know, yah i'm talking about, at your retirement age lah, yah not so much of yah, yah younger lah yah something, will be a dream lah that, that, that i don't have to see old people working on the street, streets or, in~, mm coffee shop then whatever yah, mm the greatest challenges that singapore is facing right now right now i would think, ageing population they~, <unk> why do i say that erm you look at the workforce itself uh, you actually see more old people, uh, working, uh you look at the, erm, retirement age the government is, extending longer and longer erm, the declining birth rates, is not helping so, what's going to happen next erm, yup, i, you probably will be more old people <unk> (ppl) and, looking at singapore, uh with the, medical, cause that, uh ever rising and ever expensive er yah, i am not too sure, what's going to happen next ah uh yes uh, i know the government, a lot of, uh come up with a lot of all this, what, c_p_f life and whatever insurance, yah but still involved yah, some, it's erm, you~ need to work lah basically you know, uh you, you someone have, someone have to pay for it, it's not some, something that you can <unk>, pay for you, you know so, definitely gonna be uh, future challenge, i, i don't have, and, an answer, <unk> yah uh hm er, this is, something that, i, i believe singapore has, always, have this forward plan, and where <unk> they will always, spend ahead and uh yah they, they, they, yup it has always been, in how we, we plan just typically you know, they yah uh it is, something, i mean, i put myself as, one of those people that's gonna hold, to it, you know i'm already reaching fifty one, yup and this time i'll be sixty and i don't want to see myself working, by their age, you know i've worked half my life, as in, i don't see a need for me to work, uh i, i don't know if every singaporeans aquire that, they're, i'm sure there's a few people that, uh they have no choice, they have to work you know, to support their family, yah that, that's different ah ah, i, i'm sure if, if, if if given a choice no one want to, work you know to feel their dying weight ah yah you would want to, retire, you, you avoid them in this life, you know you work half of your life then towards the end of life, you just want to, uh enjoy life and yup, yah and i don't see that happening in singapore ah okay if, somehow like uh, the government is actually encouraging you to work, as long as you can walk, as long as you can breathe, as long as you still can write, as long as you can talk <unk> so, uh i, i think there there must be a stop lah, uh, where, yah the workforce uh how are they going to do it, i'm not too sure, yah because we created this problem so, they~ they seriously have to look into it in this thing partly, it's because of the singapore system when things get, i mean if, if you look at it why, why uh couples not, making babies, uh studies have shown that most people are worried, earning, cause of costs, upbringing of uh you know, paying up a child for achieve, the education, for kids in singapore, for you know but if the costs not cheap, taking care of a child, you know putting them in, in~, yah what, what they, what they call, daycare, childcare are expensive so these are all actually stopping government, having more kids and, and when, couples are not, making babies and you know in the long run, they, they are just <unk>, and that, that, the~ the fertility is just gonna decline, decline, decline further, then you have what, now the ageing population ah yah, that's what you are seeing, yah in, in singapore and it, it's definitely a concern yah, because you need people to, to~ to defend the country, yah and we look at the in fact you look at the cohort of uh boys going through n_s it's getting lesser and lesser yah the numbers are~ are repeating you know they can't even, form a~ a cohort of, of boys to go for n_s inside, yah yah they~ they know this, yah, yah they know this it's happening here, so what's going to happen, ah if you don't have, even have enough people to defend the country, are you going to uh import people from other country to join your, your, your defense team, it, it, yah yah so, we haven't reached that stage yet, yah we haven't reached that stage yet, yah eventually, nothing is going to be done, and then yah we will reach that stage, yah yah i mean, you can't you can't force people, it's, it's how~, how you want to make singapore livable you know, and attractive to, to couples, to stay in singapore and~ , yah appropriate, yah and~, and, and they, they must see at that~ that bring up a child and, and then you, you know it, it's gonna be a, a happy journey you know it, it's not gonna it's not gonna cause a lot of problem to them uh, yah there's always this support, yah why, why uh maybe we go back to all our, uh, like i would say my grandmother is or my, erm great grandparents <unk>, they don't have this, issues right and why, why they don't have these iss~ issues, yah it's different yah i think they are trying their best lah, uh, if you can see, the government are, are realising that, yes you know, we are <unk> this issues or just trying, yah, best to give all the subsidy, uh a lot of new, new uh, er what~ what do you call that, uh like things like paternity lah, you know, some form of baby bonus lah, or, interest to entice more of them to have more babies ah yah the, it may attract some uh, but not everybody yah, yah uh going to maybe, to change what they believe in but yah, because, it's deeply ingrained already, yah if you ask any couple, they are, they, it's not cheap, yah, raising a child, so, you know, uh that's just one type of the story, you know, uh raising a child, yah uh and, next is the education system, the time and effort that you have, to put in, you know, uh all this, it is another (ppl) think that you, you know, so yah uh, giving birth is just one thing er but raising a child, <unk> i mean in singapore, one could be a, it's definitely significant ah, they love to talk about singapore, itself yah the identity of singapore, you want to see their own people grow you want, to be, you know, yah your own people that is gonna serve the nation and you want to see how, old people, so that's going to be your future leaders, so, yeah, you need, you need talent that it's from your own soul ah rather than, you know, from other countries ah, what i believe in ah, it, it's definitely significant, uh you don't want a prime minister that's not even from, singapore right, yah maybe you want someone that, that's, that's born in singapore, <unk>, <unk> gone through the system and understand the life of the singaporeans you know that's what you want to hear, that's what you want your leaders to be you know so they, they know, you know, what we've gone through so when they make certain policies, it's, it's gonna affect, and, and it, it's going to help people better lah yah, but that, that <unk> singapore, yah i see that <unk> uh quite long ago, <unk> right so, back to the question again, yah singapore is a very fast moving pace, uh you~ you know, you need to be on, top of things ah, you, yah everything is moving very fast everything is uh, it's, it's changing uh basically you, you have to accept changes in singapore and, and yah, it's it, it's something that, you, you just have to, i guess yah follow i guess, yah that, that's the only word that i can think yah you can't go again, whatever has been, told to you lah, this is how it is, and, follow the system, you know yah, if there's, there's no way you can beat the system or chase the, in such that, yah this is how it's, gonna be, yah, you just follow it yah, yah my opinion hm my opinion to, yah i, i think for singapore in my opinion the most, important value is leading harmony uh <unk> the~ the amount, that we've <unk> yah to me i think it, it has done well in that area in maintaining this, racial harmony uh singapore is surrounded by, singapore is just a small country surrounded by alot, oh uh, yah, other than h_d_b flats, yah <unk>, mainly for, working <unk> it's not easy you know, having a country, see that, that <unk> uh yah, harmoniously for the, for <unk>, uh religion ah yah and in fact it's more, more than four lah it's not just four races, i think they valued it uh much, a lot, uh and~ and it's, it's very important ah basically, yah anything that could, uh stuck off to this can cause a lot of damage ah in that sense yah so in, in fact everything that they do, they, try for all the four races, uh which is pretty good, yah, pretty good okay what guide's singapore, the law, singapore has a very strict law and there's no two way about it and~ and now is just, the system is so robust and such as<unk> ah i would say we have, one of the best legal system <unk> in the world lah, yah and, that, that yah as a, as a nation why do i think that's so, because, i mean, they, they look at our our, you hardly see uh, how to say uh, i mean it, it's recognised as one of the best uh we, we remain it to be one of the best in the world uh, we, we may not i mean, if, if you compare with our neighbouring country, where, certain people, uh, can have, uh can get away with certain crime, you know, <unk> but that's not happening in singapore you know, you can be, you can be, uh top ranking, uh or even so be it, you can be a minister, but if you've done wrong you will have to face the music you would have to face it you know there's no way you can explain this, from the legal system yah, but, that may not be happening in other countries nah, <unk> much <unk> singapore uh, i, i mean singapore has come a long way lah, uh from the small, yah, village, kampung days then you know, then within , fifty over years we have <unk> yah, we've change a lot, yah but partly because of the uh, that we have lah uh that part, uh i would, i would not want to yah, you have to accept that they have, done a great job in that, with the building singapore as a nation uh but more could be done ah <unk> yah, yah, the success of singapore is, so important <unk> that we have ah i would have to say, like the clean system, the leaders that we have, uh, uh we have done the, the, <unk> yah lah uh there are things that they can have done better, yah in terms for the people that felt yah, especially, in the areas where i've mentioned but the, the older thing, they~ these medical things hm, to a certain extent i mean, i'm proud to say i'm a singaporean you know uh not to say that i'm carrying the singapore passport, uh we have one of the, best universities in the world i mean, i mean, i will, i will use this ranking as one of those, if it is not top, of the world right, yah, but they, they are there at <unk> in terms of the ranking, yah so, yup uh, we have all the best ally in the world, we in fact i think we, we have a lot of uh yah one of the best thing in the world ah yah yah uh, if you ask me, in fact, i, i'm proud of being a singaporean, yeah yah this is, because of the success singapore has achieved ah yah this, this <unk>, but, for them, i~ i don't feel any connection to singapore, i don't know why yah uh maybe because yah uh i feel fixated, heart pain, i mean, i still see things that has not changed much yah, so i deeply feel that there're, that there are things that could have been done better yah, so, so i have to say that i, i, i still don't feel that i'm back <unk> singapore in that sense, i can be, i can be saying that, i'm proud of how i'm a singaporean but, i'm not entirely connected to singapore, in that sense, yah <unk> like, like i said just now earlier on there's, yah there's so many things that, uh to me lah in that sense like, the medical con, with the old people working, yah they, they <unk> then you know the number of, uh immigrants that's coming in, and yah all, all these things lah what, which i mentioned earlier yah things are getting more expensive you know yah yah yah, sure mm same ah singapore context <unk> okay i mean, is something i, to me i, it's that's good lah we, it's, it's something to, to, to be proud of that we have multiculturalism in singap~ singapore itself er we, we, we get to learn one's, another culture uh, you~, you~ respect one's another culture and, and, and it's amazing how you know, that you, you and in singapore that you can live, with one another peacefully and harmoniously lah yah that, that's where yah er in my layman's term lah if i <unk> understand correctly, is better <unk> just firstly it's, basically, it's based on, so you're, what you are qualified lah basically you know, if you have the qualifications then you can, uh take up that role ah yah by marriage lah by means of marriage, you, you've qualified, you have, the, the~ the qualification that <unk> required then you can, take on the thing you know, it's not based on, i know you do, or it's not based on who you are, it's not based on, uh who your father is or what connection you have it's based on merit, that means you've proved to yourself, you know if, you have the qualifications, you have done well, you still get it lah this is, i believe it's the same conse~ yah, it's based on meritocracy, yah <unk> yah i, i hope i've shared some, thoughts, yah but whether it's going to help in your studies i'm not too sure (ppl) yah okay okay, yah i'm glad that, okay, sure | [
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