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[S1] So it becomes a bidding war where people are essentially, you know, it's, the item is essentially in an auction and people bid as much as they can for it in a way. [S2] Right. Yeah, exactly. Uh, someone says, "I'll pay $2 for that gum." Someone says, "I'll pay five." [S1] Right. I'll pay 10. [S2] Oh, 10, 100, righ...
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[S1] Right? So let's say, um, there's 100 people who want gum and there's 100 packs of gum. [S2] Right. [S1] Right? [S2] Right. [S1] So supply equals demand. Now let's say that there are 200 packs of gum. [S2] Okay. [S1] Right? Is the value of gum higher or lower now? [S2] Well, now the value is lower.
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[S1] Right. Because, uh, everyone can easily get gum. [S2] Right. [S1] And so, as the supply of gum increases, it's sort of the reverse of the scenario we were talking about before. [S2] Yeah. [S1] The, the value, the relative value of it decreases because- [S2] That's right. [S1] ... there's an abundance of it. [S2] R...
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[S1] ... the same, why are we talking about this supply and demand? Why is this matter for inflation? Well, it's the same dynamics at play that drives inflation. [S2] Right. [S1] Right? So one of the things we've said before is the money supply. That's the supply of dollars in our economy. [S2] Right. [S1] Right? In, u...
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[S1] Airlines. And so what the government said was, "We're going to give people a lot of money, and we're going to give businesses a lot of money so that everyone feels interested in buying things again." Right? Because if the economy is going down, everyone gets afraid and they want to save, and that causes the econom...
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[S1] And that might remind you of, maybe you've heard of it, the stimulus checks. [S2] Yes. In the US and several other countries, they distributed stimulus checks early on during the pandemic. And part of that was just to help people pay for their bills. [S1] Right.
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[S1] Correct. So you have stimulus checks, right? [S2] Yeah. [S1] You also have the PPP, which is the pay, Paycheck Protection Program. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Which enabled businesses to continue paying their employees. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Right? Um, and, uh, several other stimulus measures. So the government's giving a lot of ...
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[S1] So the interest rates you've probably heard about. The interest rate refers to the overnight federal funds rate, right? And this is the rate at which banks can borrow from the Federal Reserve. [S2] Right, so from the government. [S1] From the government. And the lower that inflation rate is, the easier it is for b...
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[S1] Right? Because they can borrow more cheaply. And if it's the banks can borrow more cheaply, then they, they, they can issue loans more cheaply too. So if you want to go and buy a house, right, you're going to take out a mortgage. [S2] Right. [S1] What is a mortgage? A mortgage is a loan from a bank to you.
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[S1] ... the, uh, you know, laws that basically allow, uh, money to be sent directly to people. [S2] Right. [S1] Those are the stimulus checks. So people are buying more because they have more money. That's gonna push up the price of things, right? When people are buying, uh, buying more or something, that means demand...
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[S1] So that works, but you don't want to do that forever because eventually you're going to overstimulate the economy. [S2] Right. [S1] And once you overstimulate it, uh, it's very hard to then try to get it to, to calm down. [S2] Calm down.
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[S1] And so over the last two years, um, they continue to run these very stimulatory, very inflationary policies, which was originally very important, but over time it became less important because the economy had already recovered. [S2] Yep. [S1] And so a lot of critics will say that the government ran these, these in...
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[S1] Right. Don't worry about it. [S2] Uh, temporary. [S1] This is a temporary thing. [S2] And a lot of economists are saying, "No, I don't think this is transitory." [S1] Right. [S2] Not unless you change your policies. [S1] Right.
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[S1] But we didn't change our policies, and so we kept inflating and inflating. And so finally got to a point where we're like, okay, maybe we actually have to do something. And just as we sort of reached that point, which was the end of last year- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... the conflict, uh, between Russia and Ukraine also b...
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[S1] Right? And so we talked about earlier- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... when the supply of something goes down, the price of it goes- [S2] Up. [S1] ... up. So what supply got shocked? Oil. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Oil and gas, right? Probably the most important commodity
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[S1] In our economy. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Right? We need energy for everything, but you to turn on the lights, to run our cars, to run factories, right? We need energy for everything, to run the internet. So, energy is one of these things where, um, we always need it. [S2] Yeah, we're dependent on it. [S1] We're depe-
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[S1] ... or dependent on it. And so if the supply of energy goes down, the price of energy goes up. And if the price of energy goes up, that means it's expensive to do everything. [S2] Yeah. [S1] That means it's more expensive for the factories to produce things. It means it's more expensive for restaurants to keep the...
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[S1] And so the combination of all of those things together. [S2] Yep. [S1] Oh, by the way, there's, there's one more piece to this puzzle, which is another supply shock, and that is staff, uh, to run- [S2] Oh, right, quitting.
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[S1] And there was a lot of back, like a backup and- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... backlog and just a lot, a host of different, you know, inconveniences. [S2] Exactly. And so all of these things combined created an intense, intense explosion
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[S1] ... of prices. [S2] Right. [S1] And some of those were transitory, right? Some of these things probably could get fixed with time, um, as the COVID rules relax and the economy sort of returns to a more functional state. But other things stay. And one of the most sticky things, um, that, that can, can be inflated- ...
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[S1] Once paychecks start going up, once employees say, "Hey, I need more money to live." [S2] Right. [S1] "You gotta pay me more." [S2] 'Cause now the price of a baguette has gone up. [S1] Exactly. [S2] Hence, you know, I need to be also have, that needs to be reflected in my paycheck. [S1] Exactly.
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[S1] Exactly. It all sort of trickles down, right? The price of making things gets more expensive, which makes the goods themselves more expensive. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Which makes the people buy, buying them say, "Hey, I need more money." [S2] Right. [S1] Which means the companies have to pay them more. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And...
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[S1] Right. [S2] Right? That is sticky, sticky inflation. [S1] Right. [S2] 'Cause how, how often do you ever see salaries go down? [S1] Right. It just- [S2] They never go down. [S1] That's un, almost unheard of, right? [S2] They might stay flat. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Or they'll go up, but they never go down. [S1] Yeah. [S2] ...
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[S1] Yeah, I would say the number one thing to do in situations like this, where the economy is, you know, very unpredictable. [S2] Yeah. [S1] The number one thing is to just be patient, right? Don't expect anything. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Um, because most likely, the more you want something, as an investor, I know this, the ...
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[S1] And I would even go a step beyond that and say, okay, one way to deliver, deliver value, excuse me, or continue to deliver value is to make sure that you are equipping yourselves with skills that is going to help you come back after this bear market, right? [S2] Totally. Yeah, that's it. [S1] And,
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[S1] Right. Meaning- [S2] ... that the economy turns around. [S1] ... given, given up. When you throw in the towel, it means you've, you've given up. You're done. [S2] Exactly. [S1] No more, you're not, no more fighting the game. [S2] No more fighting the game, exactly. Um, so at that point, you can step in and provide...
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[S1] You know, spent time being depressed by the news. [S2] Right. [S1] Right? You've ignored the news and you're just focused on making yourself better and more productive and, um, more able to, to provide value. In doing that, you step in, um, and suddenly people will want you. You're in demand. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Right...
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[S1] Um, thriving as the economy starts recovering. And that starts a beautiful, beautiful cycle where, um, you grow with the economy and you tend to get pulled toward where the demand is greatest. [S2] Right. [S1] So you grow with that demand. It typically leads to raises. It typically leads to good investments, good ...
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[S1] Yeah, it's a lot like nature, right? Nature is this cycle of, um, you know, things are up, things are down. The, the, the forest, for example. [S2] Yeah. Harsh, harsh places. [S1] Well, you, you always need, uh, forest fires. So forest fires are terrible. [S2] Right. Right. [S1] But
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[S1] But forest fires are a necessary part of the health of a forest, right? Things need to burn down, uh, for them to regrow. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Right? If, if the forest never burns, it becomes overcrowded and, um, it ultimately dies. It sort of rots. Um, whereas when you have a steady cycle of burns and regrowth, you ge...
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[S1] Yeah, exactly. The economy goes down, it tends to get rid of the things that were inefficient or shouldn't have existed in the first place. And, and it creates a new sort of fertile soil- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... for you to go and provide value. [S2] Making way for new, new opportunity, new things, right? [S1] Yeah. [S...
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[S1] All supports us as we support you, so it's a nice symbiotic relationship. And we're going to be sharing some exciting news with you in the coming days, weeks, depending on what's happening. But definitely stay tuned for that news, and we're going to share it on our newsletter first. So, very exciting. I'm excited....
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[S1] ... real world applications of English. So that's super cool. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And today's episode is all about something that is very integral to American culture. We hear this a lot. You might have heard of this concept. So we're going to talk about e- a bucket list. [S2] Ah. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Good old bucket list....
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[S1] So I'll share my definition and then- [S2] Go ahead. [S1] ... you can share yours. So a bucket list is essentially a life list, things that you have on your list that you want to do during your time on Earth. So anything that, you know, involves maybe traveling to certain places or learning a new skill or trying o...
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[S1] So it's still sitting somewhere in a digital file. [S2] Exactly. But that was our sort of leaving New York bucket list. And then when we got to the new place, we had had an arrival, like things we wanted to see when we got there. So arrival bucket list. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Um, there, but you're right as well, like you...
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[S1] Absolutely. Like, I checked one off my list recently. It was, do you, do you know what this is? [S2] No, I'd love to hear it. Oh, wait, wait. Let me see if I can guess. [S1] It was something that I ate. [S2] Yes. [S1] Okay, do you know? [S2] I bet it was, it is a seafood? [S1] Yes. [S2] It was oysters. [S1] That's
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[S1] That's right. [S2] Got it. [S1] So I was terrified for the longest time. I've been in multiple situations where, I mean, living abroad and being back in the US, people just offering me oysters to eat. And every time I would say no. And the, and a lot of these times it was like the place to have the oysters. And I'...
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[S1] Why not? I'm gonna try. So I put that on my bucket list now and, and I just checked it off because I did it, you know? Why not? [S2] So you added it and then removed it quickly. [S1] Well, yeah, in a, in a way. Like it wasn't something that I had intentionally said, "I'm gonna put this on my bucket list." But it w...
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[S1] I did, yeah. [S2] Yeah. [S1] So a lot of these can also be rooted in this idea of like facing a, a fear you might have. Maybe a food you wanna try but you're also scared to try or like, you know, uh, there could be a delicacy in a place that you travel to that maybe doesn't sound as appetizing to you, but then whe...
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[S1] So they might say, "Oh, I just went to, you know, uh, Ecuador." [S2] Yeah. [S1] And I'm like, "Oh, Ecuador, yeah, that's on my bucket list of places to visit." [S2] Sure. [S1] Right? Or, um, they tell me about a restaurant they wanted to be like, "Ooh, I should add that to my bucket list." [S2] Totally. [S1] Right...
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[S1] Totally, absolutely. It's just anything that you want to try or do or experience at some point between now and, you know, the end, right? [S2] Yeah. [S1] So it's like something to just try to aspire to do. Like it could be a skill that you want to learn. It could be, um, you know, maybe you want to learn how to co...
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[S1] scuba diving. I'm terrified of- [S2] Both of those. [S1] ... scuba diving and sky diving, so I don't think- [S2] No diving for you. [S1] I don't think those are going to be making my bucket list anytime soon. [S2] Yeah. [S1] But hey, you know, we all have our own bucket list, I guess. [S2] A quick question. Do you...
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[S1] I actually think it's like a, from the medieval times. Um, and I think it's just something that they were, they were using, um, at that time. It has to do with like, well, this is a little bit, yeah, not so great, but like an executioner and that kind of thing. [S2] Really? [S1] Yeah. [S2] Gosh. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Wo...
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[S1] Well, to be fair, it's often times- [S2] Not that great. [S1] ... those are, those are hypothetical, right? Or they're like speculative. [S2] Yeah. [S1] It's not for sure that that's where it came from.
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[S1] All right, let's go with that. [S2] Let's go with that. That's my take on that. So, yeah, sometimes you don't want to know the origin of a term or a word. I, I've, I've learned, but- [S1] Or it can be, it can be taken for something that oftentimes things from history, deep in history are quite dark because- [S2] I...
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[S1] You know, yeah, we have problems in today's world, but honestly, across the board, things were a lot worse before we were born. Like, and back in, in earlier parts of history. [S2] Yeah. [S1] We sometimes reminisce, like, "Oh, I'd love to live in the middle, middle ages." But actually, if you really, like, do the ...
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[S1] Meaning, you know, here and there. So something to keep in mind. Just take that with a grain of salt. [S2] For you etymologists out there. [S1] Exactly. So do you have anything specific on your bucket list that you feel like is worthy mentioning? [S2] Other than time traveling to the Middle Ages? [S1] Totally. [S2...
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[S1] Well, that's coming up. We have, um, a Renaissance Fair that we've- [S2] Yeah, so I'm excited about that. [S1] ... we have been invited to. We just haven't had the time to go. You know, I went to, so for, for those of you listening and watching, a Renaissance Fair, uh, I had never heard of before this sixth grade ...
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[S1] And it was really cool. It was a Renaissance fair and they were fully decked out in the costumes. Decked out means to be like fully, you know- [S2] Dressed. [S1] ... dressed from head to toe in that costume. Um, and, you know, they had food that was pre- presumably from that era.
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[S1] Yeah, it's basically a celebration of everything from that era. And there's a lot of people there who are dressed up in role-playing people from that era. They're doing things from that era, right? Classically, you have jousting. [S2] Oh, yeah. So we watched jousting. So that's when you get on horses. [S1] Yeah. [...
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[S1] And Javelin is a track and field event, and you actually do throw that. [S2] Yeah, we do throw. [S1] Which is really cool. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Yeah, that's pretty awesome. But anyway, so the jousting is the real thing that they're doing in these, these fairs. So they're all over the US. You can find them, you know, mo...
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[S1] Sure, sure. Okay, let's go with that. [S2] Yeah, yeah. So I'll be decked in my 20s regalia. [S1] Okay. [S2] Um, but I'll be appreciating all the, the really what I'm most excited about are the suits of armor. [S1] Oh, yeah. [S2] I love suits of armor. [S1] That's cool. [S2] I love the broad swords. Yeah, so that'l...
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[S1] But I'm gonna be bold and say another safari. [S2] Safari. [S1] In a different location. [S2] Yeah. [S1] I think that would be really cool. It was just such a magical experience. Like- [S2] Yeah. [S1] It's, you experience nature in a way that I've never experienced nature. It's just surreal. So I would say- [S2] T...
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[S1] And then I have a bunch of skills that I want to learn and things that I want to do and things that I want to learn. So it's just, you know, I don't know if I would say that's on my bucket list or is it on my like life goals list. So, you know, I think the idea of a bucket list is just to make what you will of it ...
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[S1] Right? Whereas a bucket list is sort of more like fun, kind of like would be nice stuff. [S2] Definitely. Like learning how to cook certain dishes maybe. [S1] Mm-hmm. Yep. [S2] That you love to eat.
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[S1] So, what's on your bucket list? Share that with us. I'm curious, Greg's curious, so share that with us. Maybe, you know, we can get some ideas going. Let's share that with the community, get that community vibe. Uh, I get so many comments every day from all of you, and it's really, it just puts a smile on my face,...
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[S1] So, that being said, do you want to know today's topic, Greg? [S2] I would love to know today's topic. [S1] So I thought we could talk today about the metaverse. [S2] Metaverse. Ooh, ooh, ooh. Big topic. [S1] Yep. All right, so let's get into it.
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[S1] Yeah, I actually think that's a really good, uh, description of the metaverse. You also, I, I really like your comparison to a search engine. Why? Because when search engines first started, there were many search engines, right? Um, you had Yahoo, Google, uh, Alta Vista, uh, what was it like, Dogpile, you remember...
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[S1] MSN Messenger. Yeah, MSN had their own, uh, search. [S2] MSN. [S1] So, um, all of these existed at one time. It was kind of what you call a Cambrian explosion, right? Like the, the, that's, the Cambrian explosion in, in prehistoric times is when, you know, a lot of different dinosaur species, uh, came into being. ...
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[S1] So survival of the fittest. What was the best. [S2] Exactly. [S1] What was the strongest. Who survived and what... [S2] Exactly. So that's called a Darwinian process, right? Darwin came up with this idea of evolution, um, where the fittest survive. And that happened in the search engine game. And of course now we ...
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[S1] And, um, the reason I bring this up is Google has, um, the, uh, what's called, uh, Metcalf's Law. It benefits from Metcalf's Law, right? These network effects. And it says that the bigger the network gets, the more valuable that network becomes to its participants. And that same law will apply to the metaverse. [S...
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[S1] Right? So that's an example where even though there was one dominant player, new players came and competed with them. [S2] Right. Exactly. [S1] And so these are the same dynamics we're probably going to see play out in the metaverse. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And the, of course, you're probably familiar with one of the big ...
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[S1] Billions at this point. [S2] Billions, yeah. [S1] I remember when it first started out as a college-only social network. So you could only enter if you had a .edu, so a .education email address, which you would get when you entered university here in the US. And they first opened it to only a few, a select few uni...
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[S1] So that's a really important concept in technology. It's called skeuomorphic design. [S2] Skeuomorphic. [S1] Skeu-
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[S1] ... skeuomorphic design. And what it, what it refers to is when a new medium of technology comes out, in this case, a digital social network. [S2] Yeah. [S1] The, the initial instinct is for people to replicate what existed in the previous paradigm, right? [S2] Right. [S1] And so the previous paradigm was books, r...
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[S1] So the skeuomorphic adaptation in a digital context would be called, actually be called Facebook. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Because it's like a book and you- [S2] They just dropped the the. [S1] The the. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And it had a picture of someone and a little information about them. So it was very similar to the actual...
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[S1] And we can expect something very similar in the metaverse, right? [S2] Right. [S1] Right now, what you described is what we're all sort of envisioning. It's this incredible digital world where we can do everything. We can play games, we can learn, we can interact. [S2] We can go shopping. I was reading somewhere t...
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[S1] ... online versus offline reality and write how these two realities, when they collide, are they what they seem to be. [S2] It can be very confusing. [S1] It can be so confusing. [S2] Yeah, it can be very-
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[S1] Yeah, it can be very confusing. And that's, I think, a real concern that people have, which is if these virtual worlds, these metaverses become so engaging, um, you know, will people even do anything in the physical world? And- [S2] Right. [S1] We have yet to see what, how, and how that blend works. And there's al...
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[S1] on my contact lens. [S2] Really interesting. [S1] Right? Um, and I'll see some information above it about the weather or like maybe the script that I'm speaking, right? So there's many different ways that you can overlay digital, uh, worlds- [S2] Right. [S1] ... onto our actual reality. And that's what we call- [S...
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[S1] Yeah, and not to mention, like, I remember doing the ski, skiing in the virtual world with, you had, you know, with the, was it HoloLens that we were doing? [S2] HoloLens, yeah. [S1] Yeah. I found it really jarring and I found, like, I was not, I, it made me dizzy immediately. So, even though I like to ski in the ...
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[S1] Totally. And, and that might just be growing pains. Maybe as the technology improves, it becomes more comfortable and we can spend more time. But I, I would not be surprised, um, if we find that we prefer to blend, uh, virtual reality and, and physical reality. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Um, rather than completely supplant, ...
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[S1] I think that's, I think I would make that guess as well. Particularly since I think transitioning into AR first is a lot easier than going from this world, this realm, into, straight into the virtual realm. [S2] Yes. [S1] We need to still feel a semblance of the physicality of our- [S2] Yeah, we like to be grounde...
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[S1] ... founded. [S2] Yeah, our space, I think. [S1] Yeah. [S2] As humans, generally speaking, you might have another opinion, and I welcome that, and we would love to hear what your thoughts are. I wanna talk a little bit about applications of the metaverse. I can think of one, um, that I'm really excited about.
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[S1] Do you want me to tell you? [S2] Yeah, I'd love to hear. [S1] So I think the education component of this, learning, right? So learning by doing. Suddenly, you know, you're in, let's say you're learning French. Suddenly you're in France and you're ordering a baguette and you're ordering coffee and you're ordering w...
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[S1] convey, communicate, um, you know, without much interruption. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Right? Without too much friction because everything's sort of enabled digitally. So, uh- [S2] Yes. So there'll be like real-time translation maybe. [S1] Yeah, yeah. [S2] Something like that. [S1] To some extent, right? Um, the point is, ...
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[S1] It's true. [S2] Right? [S1] Yeah, because there's so much that gets conveyed through the non-verbal communication, the smiles, the expressions, the body language, right? We can sense someone who is hostile towards us and someone who's friendly toward us without them even opening their mouth to speak, right? [S2] R...
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[S1] Interesting. Like what company owned it? [S2] Yeah, right? And this comes up in Ready Player One, which is- [S1] Yeah, oh, yeah. [S2] ... who's the master of the universe. [S1] That's the underlying premise. [S2] Right. [S1] That's the underlying- [S2] Right. [S1] ... sort of idea of the movie. [S2] And it's kind ...
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[S1] That's so funny we said the same word. We're not scri- this is not scripted, by the way. [S2] Yeah, it isn't. [S1] There is no script. [S2] But, but so that's why I also personally believe if we do do the metaverse, I'm a huge proponent of doing it in a decentralized way.
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[S1] So we see that also in dystopian movies. What was it that we were watching? Um- [S2] Mad Max? [S1] Could be, um, I've actually never seen Mad Max. [S2] Okay. [S1] But you see it- [S2] That's the ultimate dystopia. [S1] ... these are common tropes, right? Common themes that we see where if everyone just wants to do...
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