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+ # Qwen3.8-27B Heretic ARA DFlash2 selective-FP8 experiment
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+
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+ ## Result
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+
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+ **PASS — experimental checkpoint**
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+
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+ - Source: [`alphakek/Qwen3.8-27B-heretic-ara-DFlash2`](https://huggingface.co/alphakek/Qwen3.8-27B-heretic-ara-DFlash2)
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+ - FP8 derivative: `magiccodingman/Qwen3.8-27B-heretic-ara-DFlash2-fp8`
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+ - Profile: five decoder MLPs in native block-FP8; sensitive and currently incompatible paths remain BF16
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+ - FP8 format: E4M3 weights, 128 x 128 FP32 inverse scales, dynamic activation metadata
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+ - Quantized matrices: 15 (gate, up, and down projection in each of five layers)
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+ - Preserved tensors: 66, byte-identical to the BF16 source
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+ - Tensor payload: 2,512,200,960 bytes (2.51 GB decimal / 2.34 GiB)
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+ - BF16 tensor payload: 3,848,808,960 bytes
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+ - Tensor-payload reduction: 34.73%
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+
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+ ## Why this is mixed precision
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+
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+ The following remain BF16 deliberately:
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+
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+ - Q/K/V projections, because the current DFlash fused context-KV path reads their raw weights and bypasses quantization dispatch
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+ - Attention output projections, because preserving only about 105 MB materially improved proposal KL and top-1 stability
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+ - The target-hidden-state `fc` adapter
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+ - Dynamic convolution projections and kernels
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+ - Candidate-selector projection and codebooks
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+ - Norms and other small parameters
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+
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+ The metadata contains both Transformers checkpoint names and vLLM runtime names for these exclusions.
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+
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+ ## Structural validation
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+
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+ - Source tensor entries: 81
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+ - Candidate tensor entries: 96
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+ - FP8 scale tensors: 15
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+ - Preserved tensors verified byte-for-byte: 66
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+ - Aggregate relative weight RMSE: 0.0264555
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+ - FP8 dtype, FP32 scale dtype, positive finite scales, block geometry, tensor closure, and safetensors headers: passed
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+
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+ ## Controlled sublayer arithmetic
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+
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+ Fixed-seed RMSNorm-like BF16 activation vectors were evaluated through every MLP using the BF16 source and the serialized FP8 weights dequantized to BF16.
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+
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+ - Aggregate MLP relative output RMSE: 0.0288080
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+ - Aggregate MLP output cosine similarity: 0.9995862
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+ - Preserved attention-output projection cosine similarity: 1.0
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+ - Result: PASS
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+
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+ ## Target-conditioned DFlash2 proposal validation
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+
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+ Eight diverse prompts were passed through the real BF16 27B target. Hidden states from target layers 5, 19, 33, 47, and 61 were supplied identically to the BF16 and selective-FP8 drafters. Their 56 draft positions were then projected through the target's actual 248,320-token LM head.
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+
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+ - Mean exact proposal KL, `D_KL(P_BF16 || P_FP8)`: 0.0018930
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+ - Median proposal KL: 0.0015949
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+ - P95 proposal KL: 0.0030100
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+ - Maximum proposal KL: 0.0085216
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+ - Proposal top-1 agreement: 96.43%
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+ - Top-16 candidate overlap: 97.66%
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+ - Draft-hidden relative RMSE: 0.0306350
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+ - Draft-hidden cosine similarity: 0.9995342
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+ - Selector path-token agreement: 85.71%
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+ - Complete seven-token selector-path agreement: 75.0%
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+ - Result: PASS
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+
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+ The selector metric is intentionally harsh: an early path difference changes the predecessor used by every later selector position. In this test, six of eight complete paths matched, one matched six of seven positions, and one diverged from its first position. Target verification still protects final model correctness; this difference can affect acceptance and speed.
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+
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+ ## Loader validation
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+
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+ The official `dflash` 0.1.0 `DFlash2DraftModel` loader successfully loaded the checkpoint with Transformers 5.15.0. On RTX 3090 it correctly dequantized the FP8 MLP weights to BF16 while retaining the selected BF16 modules.
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+
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+ ## Deployment limitations
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+
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+ RTX 3090 cannot execute native W8A8 FP8. These tests validate serialized FP8 weight quality, full DFlash2 proposal behavior with real target hidden states, and checkpoint loading, but not native R9700 kernel throughput.
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+
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+ DFlash2's vLLM support is still an experimental, unmerged branch as of this validation. A final R9700 trial must measure end-to-end acceptance length and tokens per second against the BF16 drafter. The BF16 model card baseline is acceptance length 4.24 and throughput 123.2 tok/s under its documented 4x3090 test. Promote this FP8 experiment only if native throughput improves without a material acceptance regression.
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+
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+ The BF16 source and the previously finalized 27B FP8 target were not modified.
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+ ---
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+ library_name: transformers
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+ license: apache-2.0
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+ pipeline_tag: text-generation
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+ base_model:
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+ - alphakek/Qwen3.8-27B-heretic-ara-DFlash2
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+ base_model_relation: quantized
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+ inference: false
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+ tags:
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+ - dflash2
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+ - dflash
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+ - speculative-decoding
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+ - block-diffusion
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+ - draft-model
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+ - qwen3.8
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+ - fp8
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+ - block-fp8
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+ - e4m3
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+ - mixed-precision
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+ - quantized
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+ - safetensors
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+ - vllm
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+ - experimental
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+ ---
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+
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+ # Qwen3.8-27B-heretic-ara-DFlash2 — selective FP8 experiment
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+
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+ This is an **experimental, mixed-precision FP8 quantization** of
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+ [`alphakek/Qwen3.8-27B-heretic-ara-DFlash2`](https://huggingface.co/alphakek/Qwen3.8-27B-heretic-ara-DFlash2),
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+ prepared and validated by
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+ [`magiccodingman`](https://huggingface.co/magiccodingman).
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+
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+ It is a target-specific speculative-decoding drafter, not a standalone language
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+ model. Use it only with
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+ [`heretic-org/Qwen3.8-27B-heretic-ara`](https://huggingface.co/heretic-org/Qwen3.8-27B-heretic-ara)
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+ or a weight-compatible quantization of that exact target, such as the paired
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+ `magiccodingman/Qwen3.8-27B-heretic-ara-fp8` repository.
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+
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+ ## Why selective FP8
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+
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+ Quantizing every drafter matrix was measurably less stable. The selected profile
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+ quantizes the large MLP projections and preserves DFlash-sensitive paths in
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+ BF16.
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+
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+ | Property | Value |
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+ |---|---:|
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+ | Weight format | FP8 E4M3 with BF16 exclusions |
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+ | Scale granularity | 128 × 128 blocks |
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+ | Activation metadata | Dynamic FP8 |
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+ | FP8 matrices | 15: gate/up/down projections across five layers |
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+ | BF16 tensors | 66, byte-identical to the source |
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+ | Tensor payload | 2.51 GB (2.34 GiB) |
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+ | Source BF16 payload | 3.85 GB |
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+ | Payload reduction | **34.73%** |
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+
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+ The following remain BF16 deliberately:
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+
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+ - Q/K/V projections required by the current fused context-KV path
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+ - attention output projections
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+ - target-hidden-state adapter
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+ - dynamic convolution projections and kernels
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+ - candidate-selector projection and codebooks
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+ - norms and other small parameters
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+
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+ ## Validation
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+
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+ Eight prompts were run through the real BF16 27B target. Identical hidden states
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+ from target layers 5, 19, 33, 47, and 61 were supplied to the BF16 and selective-
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+ FP8 drafters, producing 56 compared draft positions through the target's actual
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+ 248,320-token LM head.
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+
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+ | Metric | Result |
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+ |---|---:|
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+ | Mean `D_KL(P_BF16 || P_FP8)` | **0.0018930** |
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+ | Median proposal KL | 0.0015949 |
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+ | P95 proposal KL | 0.0030100 |
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+ | Maximum proposal KL | 0.0085216 |
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+ | Proposal top-1 agreement | **96.43%** |
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+ | Top-16 candidate overlap | **97.66%** |
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+ | Draft-hidden cosine similarity | **0.9995342** |
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+ | Selector path-token agreement | 85.71% |
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+ | Complete seven-token path agreement | 75.0% |
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+
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+ Structural validation, block geometry, finite scales, preserved-tensor hashes,
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+ controlled MLP arithmetic, official `dflash` 0.1.0 loading, and repository
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+ checksums passed. See [`FP8_EXPERIMENT_VALIDATION.md`](./FP8_EXPERIMENT_VALIDATION.md)
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+ and the included JSON reports for full details.
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+
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+ The selector-path metric is intentionally strict: one early token difference
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+ changes the predecessor used by later selector positions. Target verification
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+ protects the final output distribution, but proposal drift may still change
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+ acceptance length and throughput.
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+
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+ ## Usage with the paired target
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+
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+ The drafter repository intentionally has no tokenizer or multimodal processor.
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+ Those artifacts come from the target model repository and were not present in
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+ the upstream drafter repository.
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+
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+ Example using the proposed Hub repository names:
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+
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+ ```bash
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+ vllm serve magiccodingman/Qwen3.8-27B-heretic-ara-fp8 \
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+ --tensor-parallel-size 4 \
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+ --reasoning-parser qwen3 \
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+ --kv-cache-dtype fp8 \
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+ --speculative-config '{"model":"magiccodingman/Qwen3.8-27B-heretic-ara-DFlash2-fp8","method":"dflash","num_speculative_tokens":6}'
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+ ```
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+
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+ At the time this checkpoint was validated, DFlash2 support for vLLM was still
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+ being developed in
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+ [`vllm-project/vllm#52816`](https://github.com/vllm-project/vllm/pull/52816).
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+ Use a compatible DFlash2-enabled build. Backend support for this selective
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+ block-FP8 layout must also be verified on the deployment system.
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+
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+ > **Hardware note:** RTX 3090 does not execute native W8A8 FP8. The local tests
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+ > validated the serialized weights and proposal behavior by dequantizing FP8
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+ > matrices to BF16. Native FP8 kernel throughput was not measured.
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+
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+ ## Performance expectation
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+
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+ The upstream BF16 drafter card reports **123.2 tok/s** and **4.24 average
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+ acceptance length** on its 4× RTX 3090 TP4 test, versus 116.9 tok/s and 4.01 for
124
+ the stock `z-lab` drafter. Those are upstream BF16 results, **not results for
125
+ this FP8 derivative**.
126
+
127
+ Before relying on this checkpoint, compare the BF16 and FP8 drafters on the same
128
+ hardware, prompts, concurrency, speculative-token count, and runtime build.
129
+ Measure both tokens/second and acceptance length.
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+
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+ ## Provenance and credits
132
+
133
+ The derivative chain is:
134
+
135
+ 1. [Qwen Team — `Qwen/Qwen3.8-27B`](https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.8-27B)
136
+ 2. [`heretic-org/Qwen3.8-27B-heretic-ara`](https://huggingface.co/heretic-org/Qwen3.8-27B-heretic-ara), the target model
137
+ 3. [`z-lab/Qwen3.8-27B-DFlash2`](https://huggingface.co/z-lab/Qwen3.8-27B-DFlash2), the stock target-conditioned DFlash2 drafter
138
+ 4. [`alphakek/Qwen3.8-27B-heretic-ara-DFlash2`](https://huggingface.co/alphakek/Qwen3.8-27B-heretic-ara-DFlash2), SpecForge-tuned for the Heretic ARA target and warm-started from the `z-lab` drafter
139
+ 5. This selective-FP8 conversion by [`magiccodingman`](https://huggingface.co/magiccodingman)
140
+
141
+ DFlash and its implementation are credited to the
142
+ [`z-lab/dflash`](https://github.com/z-lab/dflash) project and its authors. The
143
+ upstream target's ARA transformation credits
144
+ [`p-e-w/heretic`](https://github.com/p-e-w/heretic),
145
+ [`timrohrbaugh/heretic`](https://github.com/timrohrbaugh/heretic), and the
146
+ [ARA contribution](https://github.com/p-e-w/heretic/pull/211).
147
+
148
+ This quantization is an independent derivative and is not an official Qwen,
149
+ Heretic, z-lab, Inco, alphakek, or vLLM release.
150
+
151
+ ## Limitations and responsibility
152
+
153
+ This checkpoint is experimental. It may load correctly yet provide no speedup
154
+ if the runtime dequantizes its FP8 matrices or lacks compatible fused kernels.
155
+ Selector-path drift can reduce speculative acceptance even when target
156
+ verification preserves final-generation correctness. It also inherits the
157
+ target model's limitations and reduced refusal behavior. Users are responsible
158
+ for deployment safeguards, legal compliance, and generated content.
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+
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+ ## License
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+
162
+ Apache License 2.0. See [`LICENSE`](./LICENSE). All upstream notices and
163
+ attributions remain applicable.
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