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title: Reward Policy Intuition
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short_description: 'GRPO vs GDPO: Understanding Multi-Reward Policy Optimization'
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title: Reward Policy Intuition
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arxiv: 2601.05242
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short_description: 'GRPO vs GDPO: Understanding Multi-Reward Policy Optimization'
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# GRPO vs GDPO: Why Normalization Order Matters
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Interactive visualization demonstrating **advantage collapse** in multi-reward reinforcement learning, and how GDPO fixes it.
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Based on [NVIDIA's GDPO paper (arXiv:2601.05242)](https://arxiv.org/abs/2601.05242).
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## The Problem
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When training LLMs with multiple reward signals (correctness, format, style), GRPO normalizes the *combined* reward. This causes **advantage collapse**βsmal
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ler-scale rewards get washed out by larger-scale ones.
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| Method | Normalization | Result |
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| **GRPO** | Aggregate β Normalize | Small-scale signals lost |
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| **GDPO** | Normalize β Aggregate | All signals preserved |
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## The Solution
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GDPO normalizes each reward dimension *independently* (to mean=0, std=1) before combining them. This ensures every reward contributes proportionally to its
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weight, regardless of original scale.
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$$\text{GRPO: } A_j = \frac{\sum_i r_j^{(i)} - \mu}{\sigma} \quad \text{vs} \quad \text{GDPO: } A_j = \sum_i \frac{r_j^{(i)} - \mu^{(i)}}{\sigma^{(i)}}$$
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### Binary Rewards Widget
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Based on the [Berkeley Function Calling Leaderboard (BFCL)](https://gorilla.cs.berkeley.edu/leaderboard.html) dataset. Toggle binary rewards for 12 rollouts:
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- **Correctness**: Does the function call execute?
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- **Style**: Are arguments formatted correctly?
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- **Conciseness**: Free of redundant parameters?
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See how GRPO assigns **identical advantages** to `[1,0,1]` and `[0,1,1]` (same total), while GDPO differentiates them.
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### Training Convergence
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Train a toy Bernoulli policy on 3 binary rewards:
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- **GDPO**: All dimensions converge to pβ1 independently
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- **GRPO**: All dimensions collapse to the same trajectory
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## Key Visualizations
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### Advantage Bar Chart
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Side-by-side comparison of GRPO vs GDPO advantages, sorted by GDPO rank. Detects and highlights advantage collapse when multiple books receive identical GRPO advantages.
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### Policy Convergence Plot
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Shows probability trajectories over 150 training epochs. GDPO learns each reward dimension independently; GRPO can't distinguish which rewards matter.
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## When to Use Each
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| Use GDPO | Use GRPO |
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| Multiple reward scales | Single reward |
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| Binary + continuous rewards | Similar scales |
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| All signals matter equally | One dominant reward |
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## Implementation
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It's a one-line change:
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- **TRL**: `apply_gdpo: True`
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- **VERL**: `adv_estimator: 'gdpo'`
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## References
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- **GDPO Paper**: [NVIDIA, arXiv:2601.05242](https://arxiv.org/abs/2601.05242)
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- **Code**: [github.com/NVlabs/GDPO](https://github.com/NVlabs/GDPO)
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- **Dataset**: [Berkeley Function Calling Leaderboard](https://gorilla.cs.berkeley.edu/leaderboard.html)
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Check out marimo at <https://github.com/marimo-team/marimo>
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