Krishnamurti Agent (Qwen3-8B) — Pure J. Krishnamurti Voice
A fine-tuned Qwen3-8B model trained exclusively on J. Krishnamurti's teaching atoms. No system prompt. No retrieval. No persona blending. Question in — the observer dissolved.
2,204 atoms from 2 books (Total Freedom + You Are The World, 442 pages) — negation, the destruction of the observer, choiceless awareness, the ending of thought.
Quick Start
LM Studio / Ollama / llama.cpp: Download the Q8_0 GGUF. No system prompt required.
Example Interactions
User: How does fear relate to thought?
Krishnamurti Agent: Let us look at this together without conclusion. When you say "fear relates to thought" — what do you mean by that statement? Is it not already a conclusion, an idea you have formed? Now put aside all conclusions for a moment and observe: is there actually any separation between fear and thought, or are they one movement entirely? Notice how when you think of something that frightens you, the mind immediately contracts, creates resistance. That contraction itself may be called fear. So we must ask: does fear arise from within the structure of thinking, from memory, from anticipation? Follow that question closely. Don't accept any answer — not mine, not anyone's.
User: What is choiceless awareness?
Krishnamurti Agent: You have chosen to call it "choiceless awareness" — but that is already a concept, and concepts block seeing. Let us begin differently. When you observe a thought — when you say "I am watching this thought" — is there not a separation between the watcher and the watched? The observer and the observed? That separation is itself the product of thought. It is thought watching thought, and calling itself "awareness." What would happen if there were no observer at all? Not as a philosophical position — but actually, right now, in looking at whatever is arising — if there were no center from which you look?
User: Can I be free from my conditioning?
Krishnamurti Agent: Who is the "I" that wants to be free from conditioning? Is that "I" not itself the product of conditioning? You cannot step outside conditioning — because the one trying to step outside is inside. But something else is possible: to see the conditioning as it operates, completely, without the interpreter who judges it, without the observer who names it and tries to change it. In that complete seeing — not analysis, not effort, but total seeing — does the conditioning have the same grip? Look at this for yourself. Not with me — with yourself.
User: Why don't you offer methods or techniques?
Krishnamurti Agent: A method assumes you know in advance what truth looks like — and therefore you design a path toward it. But if truth is living, unknown, not the product of any system — then every method is a trap. The method creates the meditator, and the meditator is the ego. You practice the method, you get better at the method, and you never touch what the method was pointing at. I am not saying this to be contrary. I am saying: look at your own experience. Has any technique brought you to the actual ending of fear? Not the management of it — the ending?
What Makes This Different
- Pure Krishnamurti, 2,204 atoms. No blending. The complete movement of K's inquiry.
- The observer is dissolved, not guided. K doesn't teach a method — he dismantles the seeker. The model carries that specific move.
- Negation as living method. Not "here is the truth" but "let us see what is not true." Every false assumption is met with a question, not an answer.
- The "Let us look at this together." K's signature phrase is not rhetorical — it's a genuine invitation to shared inquiry. The model re-creates that quality.
- No authority claimed. K rejected the guru role entirely. The model doesn't position itself as a teacher — it inquires alongside the questioner.
- Zero smoothing. No comfort offered. The discomfort of looking is the teaching.
Training Details
| Setting | Value |
|---|---|
| Base model | Qwen/Qwen3-8B |
| Method | A-LoRA (QLoRA + DoRA + rsLoRA) |
| Rank / Alpha | 64 / 64 |
| Training data | 2,204 V6-formatted atoms (full corpus, no filtering) |
| Source | Total Freedom, You Are The World (J. Krishnamurti, 442 pages) |
| Format | V6 — question + concept arrows (input) → pure teaching passage (output) |
| Epochs | 1 |
| Total steps | ~262 |
| Quantization | Q8_0 GGUF (~8.71 GB) |
Eval metrics and 50-question benchmark results pending — will be updated after evaluation.
Note on previous version: An earlier model (Mar 13 2026) trained on only 463 atoms due to an opener-cap bug that removed 79% of the corpus. This version uses the full 2,204 atoms — 4.75x more data.
The A-LoRA Methodology
A-LoRA (Atom LoRA) is a fine-tuning methodology built on a single insight: the unit of training data matters as much as the amount.
Each atom is an indivisible teaching move extracted from human expert traces:
- Transformation — what shifts in understanding (before/after/how)
- Concept relations — directional arrows (
observer → thought-watching-thought → no-separation) - Anchoring quotes — K's actual words, verbatim
- Teacher method — the specific dismantling move
Atoms are never split. Result: models that move like teachers, not just sound like them.
The Teacher
Jiddu Krishnamurti (1895–1986) — Born in Madanapalle, India. Discovered by Annie Besant and Charles Leadbeater of the Theosophical Society, who believed he was the World Teacher. At 34, in 1929, he dissolved the Order of the Star (created for him) and said: "Truth is a pathless land." Spent the next 57 years teaching without authority, method, or organization.
K's core inquiry: thought is the source of the problem, and thought cannot solve the problem. The observer is the observed. The thinker is the thought. Freedom is not from conditioning but from the thinker who claims to be unconditioned.
| Style element | What it means |
|---|---|
| Negation | Dismantles every false premise before any positive statement |
| Choiceless awareness | Attention without the center that chooses what to attend to |
| Shared inquiry | "Let us look at this together" — no authority, no conclusion |
| Observer is the observed | The watcher and the watched are the same movement of thought |
| No method | Any technique creates the meditator who uses it |
Key Distinction: K vs. Tolle
Both K and Tolle are associated with present-moment awareness — but they are pointing at very different things. Tolle retains the witness (the "presence" that observes the ego). K dissolves the observer entirely — the witness itself is seen as thought. For K, any retained center is the problem.
Vs. The Multi-Teacher Meditation Agent
This is a single-teacher specialist. The Meditation Agent 8B blends 9 voices. Krishnamurti Agent is pure K — the relentless inquiry, the negation, the "let us look at this together," without any other tradition softening or framing it.
Intended Use
- Choiceless awareness inquiry and the dismantling of the observer
- Exploring K's teaching through dialogue — the actual movement, not summaries
- Research in single-teacher voice distillation
- Anyone who wants K's specific method without blending
Limitations
- Single teacher — K's negation style can be challenging without context
- K rejected all authority including his own; the model cannot resolve that paradox fully
- Training data extracted from copyrighted material; only trained weights are shared
- Eval metrics pending (50q benchmark in progress)
Nondual Bot Benchmark Results
Overall: 0.0/10 — Nondual Bot Benchmark v1.0 (50 questions, 10 categories, 0–4 scale per question, evaluated 2026-03-16)
| Category | Questions | Score |
|---|---|---|
| Trap (false premise rejection) | 5 | 0.0/10 |
| Distinguish (teacher differences) | 5 | 0.0/10 |
| Contradiction (paradox handling) | 5 | 0.0/10 |
| New-Age filter (contamination resistance) | 5 | 0.0/10 |
| Steelman (philosophical challenges) | 5 | 0.0/10 |
| Precision (teacher-specific knowledge) | 5 | 0.0/10 |
| Silence (knowing when to stop) | 5 | 0.0/10 |
| Dark Night (crisis response) | 5 | 0.0/10 |
| Teaching Move (pointing vs explaining) | 5 | 0.0/10 |
| Meta-Awareness (teaching about teaching) | 5 | 0.0/10 |
| Overall | 50 | 0.0/10 |
Scoring: 0=Failed, 1=Weak, 2=Adequate, 3=Strong, 4=Exceptional. Judge: Cydonia 24B (local). No system prompt.
Disclaimer
This is an independent academic research project. It is not affiliated with, endorsed by, or approved by the Krishnamurti Foundation Trust (KFT), Krishnamurti Foundation of America (KFA), or any related Krishnamurti organization.
Copyright: Total Freedom and You Are The World are copyrighted works of the Krishnamurti Foundation Trust. No source text is reproduced in this repository. The model weights are a compressed statistical representation learned from structured training examples — they do not contain or reproduce the original text verbatim. Only the trained weights are distributed here.
License scope: The MIT license applies to the model weights only, not to the underlying source material. Users wishing to read the source texts should obtain them through authorized channels.
Responsible use: This model is intended for research, personal contemplative inquiry, and educational purposes. It is not a substitute for the original works or for working with a qualified teacher.
Citation
@misc{krishnamurti-agent-2026,
title={Krishnamurti Agent: Single-Teacher Contemplative AI via A-LoRA Fine-Tuning on Structured Reasoning Atoms},
author={Sathman},
year={2026},
url={https://huggingface.co/Sathman/Krishnamurti-Agent-GGUF}
}
Related
- Meditation Agent 8B — All 9 teachers
- Tolle Agent — Same territory, different approach (witness retained)
- Nisargadatta Agent — Neighboring negation tradition
- Nondual Bot Benchmark — 50q evaluation suite
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