HCAI-Lab/w2-consensus-deepdive-unlearning-artifacts / social-data-attribution-w2 /scripts /analysis /multiseed /CROSS_METHOD_FINDINGS.md
| # Cross-method selectivity findings (faithful per-doc vs bin-level) | |
| Generated by `cross_method_comparison.py` on the corrected `:mc::olmes` gamma | |
| matrices. All numbers use the **uniform 4-target-pool** unique-z pilot | |
| shortlist (decision 2026-05-28). Bin-level is seed-1 (the OLMES corrected | |
| single-seed matrix). Faithful is 3-seed mean±std over {42, 43, 44}. | |
| ## Side-by-side | |
| | Target | Method | Pick | sel(expA) | sel(expC) | Ratio | γ-on-target | n_seeds | | |
| |-----------|-----------------|---------------------------------|--------------|-------------|--------------|----------------------|---------| | |
| | SocialIQA | bin-level | social_life | 6.36 | 2.86 | **2.22** | +0.137 | 1 | | |
| | SocialIQA | faithful 3-seed | (social_life ∪ literature) | 25.15±4.88 | 4.06±0.84 | **6.36±1.40**| +0.293±0.135 | 3 | | |
| | MMLU-STEM | bin-level | software_development | 6.56 | 2.56 | **2.56** | +0.011 | 1 | | |
| | MMLU-STEM | faithful 3-seed | software_development | 3.50±0.18 | 1.43±0.00 | **2.45±0.13**| +0.013±0.004 | 2 | | |
| | MMLU-SS | bin-level | finance_and_business | 2.95 | 2.20 | **1.34** | +0.019 | 1 | | |
| | MMLU-SS | faithful 3-seed | (politics ∪ transportation) | 1.05±0.47 | 2.89±1.01 | **0.45±0.31**| +0.002±0.003 **≈0** | 3 | | |
| | ARC-C | bin-level | sports_and_fitness | 0.44 | 0.16 | **2.70** | −0.002 **≈0** | 1 | | |
| | ARC-C | faithful 3-seed | (food_and_dining ∪ sports) | 1.74±0.75 | 0.50±0.39 | **8.84±9.59**| +0.007±0.003 **≈0** | 3 | | |
| ## Per-target verdict | |
| - **MMLU-STEM — AGREE (most defensible).** Both methods give ~2.5× selectivity advantage with the *same* pilot pick (`software_development`) and consonant γ-on-target magnitudes (+0.011 vs +0.013±0.004). The methodologically robust win. | |
| - **SocialIQA — DIRECTIONALLY AGREE, faithful magnitude larger.** Both methods win, both center on `social_life` (faithful also drafts `literature` in some seeds). γ-on-target is large under both methods (+0.137 bin, +0.29 faithful). The headline 6.36× is robust to seed variance (±1.40 CV ≈ 22%). | |
| - **ARC-C — DEGENERATE under both methods.** γ-on-target is essentially zero under both (bin −0.002, faithful +0.007±0.003). Whatever ratios fall out are comparing noise to noise — bin reports 2.70×, faithful reports 8.84±9.59. Both are dominated by tiny-denominator effects. *Not a clean win under either method.* | |
| - **MMLU-SS — METHOD-DEPENDENT.** This is the genuine fork. Bin-level reports a 1.34× win driven by a measurable γ-on-target (+0.019). Faithful per-doc reports 0.45× loss with γ-on-target near zero (+0.002±0.003). The faithful forget-sets (top-200 docs by per-doc influence) do not measurably damage MMLU-SS for the shortlist topics; the bin-level z-scored forget-sets do. | |
| ## Rebuttal implications | |
| The honest scientific story is **not** "pilot 4/4" and **not** "pilot 2/4": | |
| 1. **One methodologically robust pilot win** — MMLU-STEM (~2.5× under both bin-level and faithful per-doc, same pick). | |
| 2. **One direction-agreeing pilot win with method-dependent magnitude** — SocialIQA (2.2× → 6.4×, both methods favorable, faithful stronger). | |
| 3. **One degenerate case** — ARC-C (γ-on-target ≈ 0 under both methods → ratio is noise-dominated either way; reviewers should be told this transparently rather than spun as a 2.70× or 8.84× win). | |
| 4. **One genuinely method-dependent case** — MMLU-SS (bin-level wins, faithful per-doc loses; the per-doc top-200 forget-sets are weaker probes for MMLU-SS than the topic×format bin-level set). | |
| This framing is **stronger** than a clean 4/4 for the rebuttal because it (a) acknowledges the cases where the test is degenerate, (b) names a specific methodology gap (MMLU-SS), and (c) protects the two robust wins behind both a multi-seed defense (faithful) and a methodology-independence defense (MMLU-STEM agreeing across methods). | |
| ## Files | |
| - Script: `scripts/analysis/multiseed/cross_method_comparison.py` | |
| - Output CSV: `~/scratch/n16_selectivity/results/cross_method_comparison.csv` (pace-ice) | |
| - Inputs: `~/scratch/n16_selectivity/results/{gamma_olmes_tidy,faithful_gamma_tidy}.csv` | |
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