Training speed / MFU β state & open levers
Honest current numbers on 8Γ B300 (Blackwell Ultra, sm_103, CUDA 13 / torch cu130), so you
don't re-walk dead ends. MFU is measured against the achievable bf16 matmul roofline = ~1500
TFLOP/s (a pure n=16384 bf16 matmul on an idle B300, power-capped ~1650 MHz/1070 W). Nominal
spec is ~2500 but the cu130 Blackwell kernels only reach ~1500 in a pure matmul, so 1500 is the
honest denominator β a real workload cannot beat it. src/mxf/mfu.py computes MFU (numerator counts
only real non-pad tokens, so padding lowers it honestly).
Pretrain (scripts/pretrain.py) β the main training loop
| config | TFLOP/s | MFU |
|---|---|---|
| bs64, no compile | 520 | 35% |
bs64 + torch.compile |
817 | 54% |
| bs96 + compile + fixed-shape (round L to mult-of-64) | 860 | 57% β best clean single-GPU |
| sequence packing (2048-block, compile) | 708 | 47% β regressed, don't use |
| 8-GPU DDP (the actual big run): no compile | ~540 | ~36% |
What's been tried / known
torch.compilefuses the 152k-vocab cross-entropy β the single biggest win (35β54%). Do keep it.- Length-bucketing + rounding padded L to a multiple of 64 bounds compile to ~2β3 static shapes (otherwise it recompiles every batch β a dynamic-shape trap).
- Sequence packing REGRESSES on this box (57β47%): no flash-attn build for sm_103, so packed attention uses a dense 4D mask and sdpa computes the full blockΒ² score matrix, wasting ~90% of it. Correct (bit-exact no-leak proof exists) but slower. It's behind
--pack-len(default 0 = off). It'd help only with a block-sparse attention backend. - β οΈ THE BIG OPEN BUG:
torch.compile+ DDP crashes (single-GPU+compile β, 8-GPU no-compile β, 8-GPU+compile β β all ranks, likely the layer-1 injection forward-hook's graph-break fighting DDP's reducer). So the 8-GPU run currently runs no-compile at ~36% MFU instead of the ~57% compile path. Fixing this is the highest-leverage speed win (compile-after-DDP-wrap,static_graph=True,torch._dynamoDDPOptimizer settings, or moving the injection out of a Python hook into an in-graph module so there's no graph-break). - No gradient checkpointing (it silently corrupts grads: the inject-hook context exits before the checkpointed backward recompute). Don't enable it without moving injection in-graph. This caps batch at ~bs96β128.
Untried levers (candidates for hill-climbing)
- Fix compile+DDP β recovers 57% at 8-GPU (biggest single win). Try in-graph injection to kill the graph-break.
- FP8 (torchao float8 / TE) β Blackwell's design point, ~2Γ the bf16 roofline. Real code + correctness surface (LoRA + injection), and changes the roofline denominator.
- FlexAttention block-sparse β would make sequence packing actually help (long fixed blocks β high arithmetic intensity, zero padding); HF-Qwen3 flex integration is the fiddly part.
- Target-only loss / chunked CE β lm_head is applied to all positions incl. prompt+pad; only target positions need loss. compile already fuses most of it, but computing the head on target rows only saves memory (β bigger batch) + FLOPs.
- Reuse-KV for the shared 98-token prompt prefix β but injection differs per row, so prefill activations differ; not shareable as-is.
Embed / clustering (scripts/embed_cluster_acts.py) β forward-only, layer-27 early-exit
Streaming out-of-core; the 8-way sharded corpus download keeps GPUs fed. Forward-only, short (64-tok) seqs β lower arithmetic intensity than training. This is the 200M-doc prefill pass. Live MFU measured from doc throughput; expect it to be memory/IO-influenced (short seq + mfs writes).
Injection (src/mxf/inject.py) β the thing that makes compile/DDP/checkpointing hard
Norm-matched additive: h_p += coeffΒ·βh_pβΒ·v/βvβ at the layer-1 marker, .detach()ed. It's a
register_forward_hook β graph-break under compile. Making it an in-graph module op (subclass
the layer, do the injection inside forward with per-row marker positions/vecs passed as tensors)
would likely unlock compile+DDP and gradient checkpointing at once β probably the highest-value
refactor for speed.
Roofline reproducer
import torch, time
n=16384; a=torch.randn(n,n,device="cuda",dtype=torch.bfloat16); b=a.clone()
for _ in range(50): a@b
torch.cuda.synchronize(); t=time.time()
for _ in range(50): c=a@b
torch.cuda.synchronize(); print(2*n**3*50/(time.time()-t)/1e12, "TFLOP/s") # ~1500 on B300/cu130