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And everyone's like, no, you got this, you got this. And I had to, I just can't even run wood. Who's his name? Oh.
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You got this, you didn't, you know, you're, this and that, you know, making me mad or whatever. And I didn't outwardly express any kind of anger, but I felt that anger. And power clean takes technique. That's the thing. It's not like it's just, um, you know, like, I don't know, like even Bench has some technique.
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It was just the perfect amount of rage. You know, and that's going to depend on what kind of person you are. Like Jeremy Stevens, you could tell just even the way he trains, he uses some rage in there. You know, as opposed to Rory McDonald, for example, seemingly, I don't know, I don't watch him train all the time or ...
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The way they train up there at Tristar is, I spent like the, the, the weekend, or it was like half a week or whatever, with them, with Froz and, uhm, and Rory, and it's, he, Froz has this head.
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You know how guys will hold mitts? I'm sure they hold mitts and stuff, but he has this head that you hit the head instead of the mitt. I was like wha-
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It seems like, oh, that's not that like, it seems kind of obvious. So I never seen no one do that. And it made way more sense because I've hit mitts before. And then when you go to spar, it's like, it's kind of weird. You gotta get used to the difference between hitting mitts and hitting someone's head. So I thought, ...
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So yeah, I got it, right? And so you go up, you gotta go up in weight. The next one was like 303, like super small weights, you know, cause you wanna get it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, just so you can get the 303, not even close. Everything was spent on that, the 298. We missed that one, didn't we? Yeah.
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I think so, yeaah. Okay, Chako. Is the ability to switch on and off a personal feature? Or is it a trained skill?
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It was a bracelet, it was the little heart bracelet that was- Maybe that was before Pandora came out. Nah, bruh.
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This is Jocko podcast number eight with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening.
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In 1952, a young Marine, Robert A. Gannon, arrived onshore at Incheon, Korea, where he was going to be shipped north to fight.
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As they gathered to head north, he saw stacks of sea bags, which is like a military duffel bag. And he saw them sitting in the rain.
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No one had to explain what they were doing there or why. They belonged to marines that had been killed on the front.
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About seeing those sandbags, seeing those sea bags piled high.
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When clouds are gray and lowering and fog obscures the plane, I sometimes think I catch a sight of sea bags in the rain. I know it is a vision too ethereal to last, but it brings a wisp of sadness and a haunting of the past.
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We had come ashore at Incheon in 1952.
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An administrative landing, just a unit passing through. We mustered at the railhead, lining up to board a train. When through the stormy darkness, I saw sea bags in the rain. There was no need to question why they were lying there, looking lonely and abandoned in the damp Korean air. Their owners had gone northward,
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And would not return again from where hells of bitter battle took the lives of fighting men.
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Now when fog and darkness gather, I rarely can restrain my saddened thoughts of Inchon and sea bags in the rain.
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So imagine that you're a young Marine who has joined the Marine Corps and you're fired up and you have the visions of glory and that romantic vision in your mind of what war is going to be like.
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And you get to Korea, and it's an administrative landing, so there's no shooting going on. And you're, now you're on the ground. And you're in Korea.
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And you see these sea bags of all these marines that have been killed in combat. And you can imagine what that does.
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Psychologically, to guys, and obviously to, uh, Robert A. Gannon, it-
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Affects him, affected him his whole life. And he still thinks about it. And as much of a
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The Marine Corps has been walking past those bags, you know, theoretically walking past those bags for over 200 years.
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And going forward, going into the fray towards the risk, towards, in many cases, toward death.
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And I'm kind of leading in with talking about the Marine Corps tonight, who I have just absolute respect for the United States Marine Corps. We worked closely with them when we were in Ramadi in 2006, mostly with the
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The 38 Marines, which is the 3rd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment. And they were there for the bulk of the deployment with us.
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Then they got relieved by the one six marines who arrived towards the end of our cruise. And, but prior to that,
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My whole career I was working with Marines. I was, did multiple shipboard deployments with Marines.
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I did a turnover with the first Marsok company in Baghdad in 2004. So I know Marines well and
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Like I said, they just have my absolute respect and as a warrior class.
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Which is what they are, a warrior class of men and women, their professionalism and their commitment. It is, it's impeccable.
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And because they fought, you know, in all major wars.
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And with that, we are going to look tonight at what used to be called
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And that was the Fleet Marine Force Manual, which is now called the MCWP, the Marine Corps Warfighting Publications 6, Tac 11. And the title of the, of the document is called Leading Marines.
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And so what I did is I kind of, like I do with most of these books that we look at, I went through it and found the pieces that struck me.
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As highly applicable to combat, which.
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Makes them highly applicable to life and to business and to the way we go through this world.
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So I've pulled some of these ideas out, some quotes out, some sections out to talk about.
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Imagine you are a rifleman in a company ready to assault a line of enemy machine gun bunkers.
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You are lying flat on the ground, protected for the moment by a slight rise between you and the enemy.
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But just above your head, the enemy, the enemy's guns are throwing a visible and audible curtain of lead, which thuds into the trees around you, causing you to wonder if it makes the same sound when it hits flesh. You tell yourself it's impossible.
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Impossible to penetrate that curtain of fire alive. Yet, in a moment, a sergeant's voice will boom. Let's go! You can't live forever.
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But all you hear now is the clatter of machine guns.
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The vision of dead and wounded you saw on the way up to the front rises to plague you.
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Your belly deflates and lies flat against your backbone.
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And all the gallant thoughts you would hope to have at this moment are gone.
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And alone with the instinct of self preservation.
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And situations even worse than this. They do decide to go forward. They decide to go forward into that maelstrom of fire and of death.
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Soldiers and warriors have done that for thousands of years.
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And you ask yourself, and the purpose that they wrote that paragraph was so that they could ask that question why.
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Why do Marines take their lives in their hands and lead a charge straight into enemy guns?
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In World War II, what was it that made Marines clamber out of their landing craft into water of unknown depth and charge into a hail of machine gun and artillery fire, not knowing whether they would ever make it to the beach?
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In Vietnam, what was it that made a Marine take the point and start down the dark and misty jungle trail?
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At the heart of why Marines are able to put mission accomplishment over concern for their own safety is leadership.
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Which is a pretty profound statement. It's a very profound statement. And I jumped out of this manual for a moment and I grabbed sort of the Marine Corps principles of leadership, their key words. Here they are. Justice, judgment, dependability, initiative, decisiveness, tact, integrity, enthusiasm, bearing, unselfish...
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Those are the traits that they talk about. And what I actually from that list, I think they're all pretty.
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I didn't say tactical or tactics, I said tact.
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Tact is the ability to say and do the right thing at the right time.
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Obviously, almost every time we sit down at this podcast table and do our work here, we end up somehow talking about the interactions between human beings. And they actually put this as one of their tenets, is that you have to have tact.
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The quality of consistently treating peers, seniors, and subordinates with respect and courtesy is a sign of maturity.
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Tact allows commands, guidance, and opinions to be expressed in a constructive and beneficial manner.
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This deference must be extended under all conditions, regardless of true feelings.
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That is, I've always, I've always thought that where you always wondered why those people.
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They're saying that, you know, regardless of your true feelings. So there's a little bit of a dichotomy there, you know, and to be the person that says, well, it's true, so I'm just going to say it.
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No, tact should override integrity in dealing with people and human emotions.
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No doubt about it. Uhm, so now as we get into this, and what leaders, what leaders are actually leading against, now,
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Of course, there's an enemy. You're right, there's a force that's opposing you, so you're leading against them, but they have another word that...
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And the word is friction. And this is something for anybody that knows anything about sort of military science. Understand.
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Understands and has heard the word friction before. And it's a word that comes from Carl von Clauswitz, who was a great Prussian general, born in 1780, fought in the Rhine campaigns and the Napoleonic wars, was a famous military theorist. And he wrote the famous book Von Craig, which means on war. So that was his, tha...
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So, friction is a term that he coined, as far as I know. It's a term that he coined. I haven't read it prior to him.
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And to talk about friction here is what Klauswitz says about it. And this is from All in War. Then again, I...
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Departed from the Marine Corps manual here for a few minutes to go a little bit deeper into friction. Everything is very simple in war, but the simplest thing is difficult.
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Through an influence of an infinite of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper.
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Things disappoint us and we shall, and we fall short of the rank. So this idea of friction is all the little things that build up against you.
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A powerful iron will overcomes this friction.
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It crushes the obstacles. So your will can overcome them. But there's a but, there's a caveat. But, certainly, the machine along with them.
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So your iron will can smash these obstacles, but it does take a toll on the will.
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The strong will of a proud spirit stands prominent and commanding in the middle of the art of war.
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And we'll get to Will a little bit later. But right now we're talking about friction.
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Activity in war is movement in a resistant medium. So it's, it's, you know, as opposed to doing stuff on the ground and the air, you're doing it in water or you're doing it in oil. You're doing in something that is slowing you down and stops you. It is therefore this friction or
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What is so termed here, which makes that which appears easy in war difficult in reality. And I will tell you in working with all kinds of companies and businesses,
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There's friction in every business. There's friction in everything. Every...
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Goal that people have in a business world, there's friction and resistance that's trying to stop you from getting there. And obviously that just
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It's the materials that you need that are arriving in time. It's a muddy road. It's a stro-
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Mental capacity of your leadership, it's all these things create this friction that are going to stop you from achieving your goals, or at least it's going to try to stop you from achieving your goals. And it's the same thing when you get a business that's trying to make something happen. You know, when you go to form...
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This is not an easy process. This is a challenging process and there's friction that comes up against you. And obviously, like I said, with your personal goals, we see friction all the time. Now, the Marine Corps, here's their take. So that was from Klaus Fetz.
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And it was a little bit of an abridged version, but you know, I'm abridging. So.
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This one is the Marine Corps. And you'll notice a little bit more clarity because it's written directly in English by Marines. So it's, it's clearer. And here's the Marine Corps take on friction. Friction dominates war. It makes simple tasks hard.
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Acts constantly to tear down the will of the individual Marine and interferes with unit cohesion.
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It operates across the entire spectrum of conflict. From garrison activities to combat. From senior command elements down to the most forward fighting position.
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So the friction is everywhere. It's everywhere. It's on the front line troopers are feeling friction. You know, the, the senior command has friction. That, in this day and age that friction can be loss of connectivity.
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Friction can be caused by external factors, such as physical environment, the nature of the mission, or friendly or enemy action.
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Inadequate or inaccurate intelligence also contributes to friction by causing uncertainty.
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This uncertainty is sometimes called the fog of war, where things are not always what the leader expected.
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This expression, this expression describes both the literal fog created by dust, smoke and debris on the battlefield. And more importantly, the mental fog of confusion and uncertainty created by lack of knowledge of the enemy, chaotic noise, mental and physical fatigue and fear. And interestingly,
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Uh, Leif and I, the book that we wrote, Extreme Ownership, the first chapter.
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It's called the fog of war, and it is, and I...
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Talk about this fact right here. It was the literal fog of war because it was burning tires in the streets creating soot everywhere and it was
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