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I'll leave questions 1 and 2 to be answered elsewhere, but on question 3)
something in the noos today might be an example of the restoration might be.
Namely, that the Clinton Administration is considering asking the UN to
establish a police force for Haiti.
I didn't hear any thing that said that the current Govt. o... | 5 |
My recollection of History/Documentary books is slitely different.
It is my understanding that Croats were allies of Germany during
WWII, while Serbs had sided with Russia. As a result Serbs did
take a beating from Croats (NOT Bosnian Moslems) while Germany
had the upper hand.
Even today, Russians consider/call Serbs... | 5 |
Muslims helping the Nazis??? Where on earth do you come up with such
accuusation?? Do you have proofs?? If not, you should publically apologize
for such a statement. Last time I heard, the nazis prided themselves in
needing no body to carry their politics and ideologies. And if your statment
were true, don't you ... | 5 |
Source: "Adventures in the Near East" by A. Rawlinson, Jonathan Cape,
30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) (287 pages).
(Memoirs of a British officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5
million Muslim people)
p. 178 (first paragraph)
"In those Moslem villages in the plain below which had b... | 5 |
Alberto, you've repeatedly misunderstood my postings. You are now making the exact point
that I've made several times but with a different definition of religion. You don't not
have to believe in the "religious" aspects of Judaism to be a Jew (this would confine
Judaism to be just a religion in the sense of a Christ... | 5 |
I want to subscribe, I am located in Israel and my name is David Gotlieb
| 5 |
Which was my point. By converting to another religion I do not loose
my cultural identity, I just loose my religious identification.
I consider that defining the belonging to a nation that claims the
right to have a State based on religious belief is a form of racism.
To be a part or not of the Jeish Nation is defi... | 5 |
It is 'Serdar', 'kocaoglan'.
Just say so.
The SUNDAY TIMES 8 March 1992
Morgues fill as Azeris head for all-out war
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Thomas Goltz, the first to report the massacre by Armenian soldiers in
the worst violence since the breakup of the Soviet Union, reports from
Agdam
... | 5 |
("Andi Beyer") responds:
Talk about generalizations. Indeed, you DO sound quite immature.
What? The ACLU fighting against an anti-hate law? You mean that the
ACLU would support gay-bashing, racial discrimination and anti-semitic
violence? Thanks, Andi, for reminding us that the constitution
preserves our righ... | 5 |
You don't get it - do you? During the years of World War I, the x-Soviet
Armenian Government has planned and perpetrated the 'Genocide' of the
Muslim people, which not only took the lives of 2.5 million Muslim people,
but was also the method used to empty the Turkish homeland of its inhabitants.
To this day, Turk... | 5 |
I really disagree with you. But maybe you know better. Here is the
issue at hand:
'After all, who remembers today the extermination of the Tartars?'
(Adolf Hitler, August 22, 1939: Ruth W. Rosenbaum (Durusoy),
"The Turkish Holocaust - Turk Soykirimi", p. 213.)
"The crime of systematic cle... | 5 |
Hey, I want my posts forwarded too. I can't get my sysadmin to pay
any attention to me.
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And is there a reason or value for such a brainless shit for brains asshole
to be haer. You are a self hating bastard. Neither your name nor your
ideas, which I've come across before and thought were too stupid and
uncivlized to respond to, prove your first-worldist claim and civility.
Give me sources to read it ... | 5 |
This is one of the most ridiculous arguments I have heard from the
Europeans. "Let's let the Serbs massacre, rape, and ethnically clean
100,000 Bosnians because we don't want our pretty blue berets there
to get scratched". Well, I say, get them the hell out of there if you're
worried for them, but don't deny Bosnia... | 5 |
With your level of understanding, my dear friend Mutlu probably
thought that he'd be nice and help you genocide apologist to get
the point. Besides, all your article reflects is your abundant
ignorance. Ignorance is probably the main reason why you historical
revisionist are in such a mess. You even make Nazi/crimin... | 5 |
I do not want to convince anyone. This is just USENET, not the real
world. I just read the opinions others have about a subject, and sometimes
I present my opinion. I think that this net is only useful to exchange
ideas. I never wanted nor I want now to convince anyone of anything.
First, and I repeat it, I never s... | 5 |
It looks like Ben Baz's mind and heart are also blind, not only his eyes.
I used to respect him, today I lost the minimal amount of respect that
I struggled to keep for him.
To All Muslim netters: This is the same guy who gave a "Fatwah" that
Saudi Arabia can be used by the United Ststes to attack Iraq . That
Fatwah is... | 5 |
Nobody ever produced the meagerest evidence for this. It does not
appear in several long published accounts by Irgun participants.
Even some Irgun propagandists do not make this claim.
Several members of the Irgun attacking party, including the leader,
deposited personal declarations in the Irgun archives (Jabotin... | 5 |
Pardon me? History shows that within the last 170 years, Greeks played
that game twice: They used Istanbul Patriarch Grigorios in 1822 to
instigate the Morea rebellion that resulted in the massacres of
the Muslim people. Again, the Orthodox Patriarch Constantine V
invited the Russian Czar Nicholas II to invade th... | 5 |
Actually, the record of the Allies activities, in the face of
incontrovertible evidence as to what the Nazis (may they rot in hell)
were doing, clearly points to the conclusion that they would have done
nothing. The railways to the camps were not bombed, despite the ease
of doing so. The US, the "place of refuge" al... | 5 |
Quite a few people couldn't have cared less about what
happened to the Jews of Europe. If they had cared, they would have
done something.
Maybe its because many of us, who have been on usenet for
several years remember tripe like this being posted:
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This was posted fairly recently. There has ... | 5 |
Tell *them* to stay home? :-) Sorry, terrible attempt at homour there.
Alternative? Hell, I don't know. But...its perfectly possible to have
objections to a particular policy while feeling that there is no
"alternative choice".
| 5 |
So, the Greek educational system is also in a shambles. History shows
that within the last 170 years, Greeks played that game twice: They
used Istanbul Patriarch Grigorios in 1822 to instigate the Morea
rebellion that resulted in the massacres of the Muslim people. Again,
the Orthodox Patriarch Constantine V invi... | 5 |
can anybody guess this from the title?
Not me, I thought that a clash between Israelis and Arabs resulted
in four deaths on one side and two on the other.
How about being illegally settled there?
I am not sure about the signals the Israelis are sending, one day
they are willing to accept a Jordan/West Bank federatio... | 5 |
(Please note followup)
In <1993Apr27.012045.8543@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi
Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is name-calling of the lowest kind.
Please don't be disingenuous.
Do civil libertarians make no distinction between the Nazis and
Israel? Would you say that the Iraqis are like the Nazis?
If yo... | 5 |
BIGOTRY"
Biden spoke well. Then there was John Major, the architect of the
betrayal of Bosnian Muslims to genocide.
He basically has given yet another green light to HVO Ustashe and
Mladic-Chetnik serial killers, rapists, and plunderers to continue their
genocide against Bosnian Muslims.
But Major met with Mr. Ru... | 5 |
Since Facts and Myths doesn't even know where Deir Yassin was,
why should we pay any attention to the rest of what it says?
This account from Eric Silver is the only valid point that M&F makes.
You can find it together with other evidence and analysis in
Silver's biography of Begin. Also in Silver's book you wil... | 5 |
How quaint of you to point this out, and then to completely ignore
all of the blatant lies you've trotted out. The scenario and genocide
staged by the Armenians 78 years ago in Eastern Anatolia and x-Soviet
Armenia is being reenacted again - this time in Azerbaijan. There are
remarkable similarities between the plo... | 5 |
From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
Subject: Zionist leaders' frank statements
The following are quotations from Zionist leaders. They appear in
numerous scholarly works dealing with the Palestine question. I urge those
who have access to original sources, to verify the authenticity of the
source and post here thei... | 5 |
Look up the facts first, post second. Bernadotte was assassinated
in September 1948 by Lehi under the orders of its three commanders
(one of whom was Yitzhak Shamir). There is no hard evidence of
complicity of the Israeli government despite some effort by the UN
and other organizations (US intelligence, Swedish go... | 5 |
I too noticed that in all this screaming and shouting, not one
person brought up the question of atrocities being commited on non-muslims
by the Sudanese Government. Could it be that they are Africans and so who
cares? I suggest that everyone cut the hypocrisy and bleating about Bosnia
and go on to discuss some... | 5 |
Ilyess sez:
>So how would have *you* defended Saudi Arabia and rolled
>back the Iraqi invasion, were you in charge of Saudi Arabia???
All Muslims knew that the whole thing was set up to destroy Iraq, not
to "Liberate Kuwait", The people who were killed by the invasion are
more (many many more), than t... | 5 |
I like what Mr. Joseph Biden had to say yesterday 5/11/93 in the senate.
Condemening the european lack of action and lack of support to us plans
and calling that "moral rape".
He went on to say that the reason for that is "out right religious BIGOTRY"
| 5 |
Net citizens!
This is a desperate try to save our last course in university.
We are writing a study about the Net, how it all started, about the people
living in it, however trying to explain the basics of how it all works.
That includes you, reader of this message.
We would be more than grateful if we could get your a... | 5 |
Mark Ira Kaufman writes
Never mind the fact that these people were denied the right to a fair trial.
And Israel was supposed to uphold "Western values", eh?
Check your facts before bashing Islam again. While there may be Muslim
anti-semites, this is no way a tenet of the religion. Saying anti-semitism is
"basi... | 5 |
Subject: Re: PLEASE! SHOW UP IN WASHINGTON DC FOR BOSNIA (MAY 15th)
From: Nick Jovanovic, jovanovic-nick@yale.edu
Date: 12 May 1993 17:19:43 -0400
No, I'm not claiming 2,000,000 have been killed. We are in the middle of
the genocide process that Mr. Major has given yet another "green light"
to. Mladic seems to have ... | 5 |
What is so honorable about placing bombs in passenger airliners,
promising to execute Rushdie, killing 1-2 million people in the
Iran/Iraq war, murdering tourists and persecuting ethinc Christians in
Egypt, massacring Christians in Sudan, harassing Christians in and
barring Jews from Saudi Arabia? How are paranoid ... | 5 |
Thompson Schreiber) posted:
[PTS] ARMENIA AND AZERBAIJAN: TWO VIEWS
[PTS] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[PTS] Washington Report On Middle East Affairs
[PTS] April/May 1993, Vol. XI, No. 9
[PTS]
[PTS] ----------------------------------------------... | 5 |
There are doubts about it. Why don't you define what self-hating Jew means?
I found the idea itself of being a self-hating Jew to be one of those
rediculous things that people repeat and repeat because it seems to have a
meaning when in fact it has none.
I hope you can come up with a definition in itself and not somet... | 5 |
If Croats are now divided, it is because Croatia seceded from Yugoslavia.
Croats in Croatia, B-H, and Serbia were in *one* country--Yugoslavia--
until they divided themselves.
If Muslims are now divided, it is because B-H seceded from Yugoslavia.
Muslims in Croatia, B-H, and Serbia were in *one* country--Yugoslavi... | 5 |
I believe that things are getting mixed here.
Critizicing Israel and/or being anti-zionist is not seeing "the absolute
negatives of that culture". Maybe, because a person can see the positives
of that culture is that that person opposes zionism and the actions of the
State of Israel.
I, for one, consider the actions... | 5 |
do not, and i repeat, do not, cross post the following subjects to
soc.culture.iranian:
Re: Jews Supports Serbs
Re: Arab Leaders and Bosnia
Re: HizbAllah in Bosnia
Re: The Stage is Being Set
that's all we need here; more bigotry and hate! believe me,
we have already reached our quota for the year. try again
next ... | 5 |
It has nothing to do with how long they have been voting, as much as HOW
they have been voting. Pick up a list of the Labor parties proposals
for MK prior to the election and pay attention to the order. Correlate this
with the number of Arab party members eligible to vote in party elections.
Further correlate this w... | 5 |
Since your criminal grandparents ruthlessly exterminated more than
600,000 Kurds between 1914 and 1916 in Eastern Anatolia. Referring to
notes from the personal diary of Russian General L. Odishe Liyetze on
the Turkish front, he wrote,
"On the nights 11-12 March, 1918 alone Armenian butchers
bayoneted and axed t... | 5 |
Providing safety and security for one's own people is the most
fundamental responsibility of any political entity. For the Palestinian
leadership to refuse to accept this responsibility, i.e. take the
responsibility to protect their people from radical Palestinian elements
who are opposed to the peace process, is repr... | 5 |
Actually, You're wrong as well. The KKK is allowed to
march and any attempts to curtail their freedom is rejected
(Actually I believe the ACLU won a case for them last year).
Morality should not be legilated in a free country like
the U.S.
I'll post something on TJ and Uva under Uva for those
Hoos bashers.
| 5 |
In the following report: _Turkey Eyes Regional Role_ ANKARA, Turkey (AP)
April 27, 1993, we find in the last paragraph:
[Turanist] Although Premier Suleyman Demirel criticized Ozal's often
[Turanist] brash calls for more Turkish influence, he also has spoken
[Turanist] of a swath of Turkic peoples "stretching from the... | 5 |
Elias Davidsson writes...
ED> dear pete,
ED>
ED> for one who is so zionist as you, you should at least know your
ED> hebrew, young man.
ED>
ED> The last sentence in your posting should read:
ED>
ED> Medina achat leshnai amim (not Echad medionnot leshtai amim).
ED>
ED> I don't want to address your comments. They sp... | 5 |
Then you haven't been paying attention to the arguments levelled against
them. They have been, over and over again. They will be again.
Hey, what do you think dictionaries are for? You quite obviously need
one. A good dictionary gives both, and you well know it.
I don't think that data exist on this directly.
... | 5 |
The following announcement is from the Bosnia Task Force, USA.
Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens of London) and Muhammad Ali
(former heavyweight champion) will be the grand marshals of
the Washington rally on Saturday, May 15, 93
------------------------------... | 5 |
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