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Why not let the people of Cara have their small garden to themselves?

It's a website anyone is free to access, not a walled garden. If you want to gatekeep an arbitrary group of your choosing from being able to access your content, join a website that is gated from the public.

Why not let the people of Cara have their small garden to themselves?

It's a website anyone is free to access, not a walled garden. If you want to gatekeep an arbitrary group of your choosing from being able to access your content, join a website that is gated from the public.

I know, but I am asking if we can have this space that can be left alone. Please?

I know, but I am asking if we can have this space that can be left alone. Please?

You're choosing to lose days of sleep over something you can easily ignore.

I know, but I am asking if we can have this space that can be left alone. Please?

You're choosing to lose days of sleep over something you can easily ignore.

It's not something I can ignore in this instance. I hope CaptiveDreamer replies. Thanks for worrying about me.

I am most certainly not worried about you after one look at the content you choose to publish on YouTube (unedited, 20 minutes diatribes on "plagiarism" that only perpetuates toxic behavior).

Artists do not need genAI, but genAI needs artists, writers, and many others for training data. If this was not true, you would not need to perpetually scrape and use our work as data. This website would not exist.

You are part of an unsustainable system where the very people you rely on will leave.

Always remember: you need us; we do not need you.

Always remember: you need us; we do not need you.

Yet immediately before you claim mutually assured destruction by stating "You are part of an unsustainable system where the very people you rely on will leave". What do you think "leave" in this context implies?

You are also making the false assumption that artists uniformly oppose genAI, when it has been shown time and time again through hit pieces that there are plenty of artists who do not mind these tools and take advantage of the efficiency genAI provides, such as for references.

Always remember: you need us; we do not need you.

Yet immediately before you claim mutually assured destruction by stating "You are part of an unsustainable system where the very people you rely on will leave". What do you think "leave" in this context implies?

You are also making the false assumption that artists uniformly oppose genAI, when it has been shown time and time again through hit pieces that there are plenty of artists who do not mind these tools and take advantage of the efficiency genAI provides, such as for references.

If AI has went away, or wouldnt exist people would just simply use photos. As AI needs artists to make things. All artists use photos even mashing them together themselves, artists who use AI are not the majority as most people look down upon AI in creative spaces. Even if Ai is "efficent", you do need to generate alot of images to get what you want which takes up water and electricity.

If all ai was destroyed hypothetically, nothing much would change people would find photos and even other artists art to refrence minorly.

Also, lose weight.

only a foolish person would result to petty insults about a persons appearance or weight or being rude which is against this websites TOS , what if someone said that about you.

Also, lose weight.

only a foolish person would result to petty insults about a persons appearance or weight or being rude which is against this websites TOS , what if someone said that about you.

Health advice. And I would hardly take offense as I have a normal BMI.

If AI has went away, or wouldnt exist people would just simply use photos. As AI needs artists to make things. All artists use photos even mashing them together themselves, artists who use AI are not the majority as most people look down upon AI in creative spaces. Even if Ai is "efficent", you do need to generate alot of images to get what you want which takes up water and electricity.

If all ai was destroyed hypothetically, nothing much would change people would find photos and even other artists art to refrence minorly.

This is incoherent babble.

Health advice. And I would hardly take offense as I have a normal BMI.

BMI originated from a study from the 1800s, and was orginally called the Quetelet Index. Not supposed to diagnose individual health. Also was originally done scientifically on a small pool of only men in the 1800s of the average man. By Adolphe Quetelet in 1832. Is meant to be a tool for the population, not a measure of health. Not everybodys bodys adheres to the bmi standards, some people are healthier if not to those standards. We all know insulting someones weight is not giving health advice and insulting someone that makes videos. Now people use it as a standard to judge everyone when it wasn't meant for that . And medical experts say it is a flawed and outdated metric to judge someones health by. If you'd know this you'd know that judging someones weight is not a measure of their health, and is an outdated medical standard. So you're just insulting this stranger on the internet who you barely know for what, AI?

I am a skinny person whos a little underweight, most people would consider that healthy even though its not. Just because thinner is more of what looks healthy and whats attractive today of what's in a person.

You could be unhealthy considering your so gung-ho to insult everyone who disagrees with you're clearly an insecure person. Maybe you don't have a normal bmi and all you consume as junk as it is the internet and everyone lies for that matter.

This is incoherent babble.

You're just saying words at this point since you don't have any more points to argue about and are just trying to win for your own ego, thats why you resort to petty insults in an argument or conversation. Such an insecure foolish and unhealthy person would do such a thing.

Oh you know they meant unauthorized scraping vs copyright infringement. These people are trying to respond to an unauthorized use of their content. Let them report and handle their business in peace. If you're upset about negative sentiment then don't do this kind of stuff.

Oh you know they meant unauthorized scraping vs copyright infringement. These people are trying to respond to an unauthorized use of their content. Let them report and handle their business in peace. If you're upset about negative sentiment then don't do this kind of stuff.

Are you talking to me?

Oh you know they meant unauthorized scraping vs copyright infringement. These people are trying to respond to an unauthorized use of their content. Let them report and handle their business in peace. If you're upset about negative sentiment then don't do this kind of stuff.

Are you talking to me?

Nope! Last person was being a jerk. Sorry you have to go through this though ✌️ hopefully this can be resolved soon

Why not let the people of Cara have their small garden to themselves? Couldn't you come help offer them further protection? I'm not a company, I'm just a person, and so are you. For me, I had to delete all my works, and maybe if you can see the future of where this is headed if we can't simple respect and be respected in kind. I want to believe that saying "no" to someone, and saying please should be enough.

Because when others see how you and your artist friends treated that last guy, AFTER he apologized, there's no reason for this guy to do the same. You aren't the ones with the negotiating power and choose humiliate him further when he decided to delete the work AND show you how to protect your garden. Your artist friends told him to go his head smashed in and worse. Your anger can be said to justified, but you couldn't let bygones be bygones when literally presented with goodwill coming from a foe with massively more power asymmetrical to yours.

This will inevitably lead to a worse off AI too. Artists who feel too objectified; a number, a link, and not a person will remove their works forever and not share them. People will tell newer artists to not share those works too. Eventually, there will be less online and what is left are orphaned works or every artists work will be behind a paywall. If this is punishment, then please let this be the last punishment.

Keep telling that to yourselves. That AI will be worse off. No, it won't. There's something called curating, and that's something that can be done by non-creatives. Want proof? How about you peek out of that echo garden of yours and look at the actual progress made with generative AI art from the Chinese and Koreans? Their models got better, not necessarily from feeding new art into the system but removing it. That's right. They remove all the bad art and leave the good. Their pruned models have done so much wonder that their own artists decided to adopt them into their workflows. The Chinese and Korean artists then further evolved their art skills because they decided to adapt to AI, not stick their head in the sand.

This is a war of back and forth, neither can win and longterm both will lose. We both know there is more AI generated content than human now, and you might think this is good now, but later it won't be. Contributing to the mass scrape and non-consent of people's artworks is cruel, but I know you see this from a perspective of more is better and human is better, but there are also AI works on Cara. Cara is a passion project, and the stress has a woman losing her hair, others probably feel the same and I have lost days of sleep.

That's just your interpretation. You only wish that both will lose as the result. No, the result is clear. AI will win because it just simply because the Eastern artists that want to improve have already incorporated AI into their workflows. They created their own positive feedback loop while the Western artists stay on the sinking ship. Their works are still human, beautifully human. They look at a good AI piece and go, "That's my next challenge." Western artists look at a ANY AI piece and automatically want to hurl insults. Your passion is not the same, and is in fact, very toxic. Toxic just like how your art community decided to continue throwing sticks and stones at the first scraper who decided to turn around and extend a helping hand.

Let's talk.

You should realize that's literally all you can do about it.

That shouldn't have happened before though you are right*. I wasn't there so idk, but this won't help the situation though. Not for you, or the idea of hurting someone back. Maybe we can genuinely try something else?

Why not let the people of Cara have their small garden to themselves? Couldn't you come help offer them further protection? I'm not a company, I'm just a person, and so are you. For me, I had to delete all my works, and maybe if you can see the future of where this is headed if we can't simple respect and be respected in kind. I want to believe that saying "no" to someone, and saying please should be enough.

Because when others see how you and your artist friends treated that last guy, AFTER he apologized, there's no reason for this guy to do the same. You aren't the ones with the negotiating power and choose humiliate him further when he decided to delete the work AND show you how to protect your garden. Your artist friends told him to go his head smashed in and worse. Your anger can be said to justified, but you couldn't let bygones be bygones when literally presented with goodwill coming from a foe with massively more power asymmetrical to yours.

This will inevitably lead to a worse off AI too. Artists who feel too objectified; a number, a link, and not a person will remove their works forever and not share them. People will tell newer artists to not share those works too. Eventually, there will be less online and what is left are orphaned works or every artists work will be behind a paywall. If this is punishment, then please let this be the last punishment.

Keep telling that to yourselves. That AI will be worse off. No, it won't. There's something called curating, and that's something that can be done by non-creatives. Want proof? How about you peek out of that echo garden of yours and look at the actual progress made with generative AI art from the Chinese and Koreans? Their models got better, not necessarily from feeding new art into the system but removing it. That's right. They remove all the bad art and leave the good. Their pruned models have done so much wonder that their own artists decided to adopt them into their workflows. The Chinese and Korean artists then further evolved their art skills because they decided to adapt to AI, not stick their head in the sand.

This is a war of back and forth, neither can win and longterm both will lose. We both know there is more AI generated content than human now, and you might think this is good now, but later it won't be. Contributing to the mass scrape and non-consent of people's artworks is cruel, but I know you see this from a perspective of more is better and human is better, but there are also AI works on Cara. Cara is a passion project, and the stress has a woman losing her hair, others probably feel the same and I have lost days of sleep.

That's just your interpretation. You only wish that both will lose as the result. No, the result is clear. AI will win because it just simply because the Eastern artists that want to improve have already incorporated AI into their workflows. They created their own positive feedback loop while the Western artists stay on the sinking ship. Their works are still human, beautifully human. They look at a good AI piece and go, "That's my next challenge." Western artists look at a ANY AI piece and automatically want to hurl insults. Your passion is not the same, and is in fact, very toxic. Toxic just like how your art community decided to continue throwing sticks and stones at the first scraper who decided to turn around and extend a helping hand.

Let's talk.

You should realize that's literally all you can do about it.

I think you are mistaken the people who acted this way are not my friends. I made friends with the previous scraper, and he did come help them. Most of this is your opinion, and not fact, but I am interested in only talking to CaptiveDreamer. I would like to hear from him -- his thoughts, his opinions, his meaning for doing this.

And I am asking alot, and I know that, but I am still going to ask regardless. No dialogue is how we get here, and dialogue is how we can get somewhere.

So, like I said, you are more than welcome to your opinion, but I am only here for CaptiveDreamer's.

I think you are mistaken the people who acted this way are not my friends. I made friends with the previous scraper, and he did come help them. Most of this is your opinion, and not fact, but I am interested in only talking to CaptiveDreamer. I would like to hear from him -- his thoughts, his opinions, his meaning for doing this.

And I am asking alot, and I know that, but I am still going to ask regardless. No dialogue is how we get here, and dialogue is how we can get somewhere.

So, like I said, you are more than welcome to your opinion, but I am only here for CaptiveDreamer's.

The nice guy act is funny, in reality the last time NimisFNA asked politely for a scraper to join their Discord "to talk", she spent the entire day verbally abusing them for their own satisfaction.
From "I Spent All Day Convincing Cara's Scraper to Delete His AI Dataset":
"I immediately jailed him. And from there I just started reaming into him... he was there to be my punching bag for what he's done. So, I would say I spent the better half of a few hours talking to him... I was yelling at him through my phone about how much of a loser, how much of a shithead, and how much of an evil villainous person he was. This was literally a battle of attrition for me all day long... I spent an entire day talking to this man."
The part that is quite telling about this person's character is that after spending hours calling this person a "shithead" and a "loser," NimisFNA suddenly pivots to this bizarre change of tone where she suggest a chance at redemption for the scraper (through her help, of course...)
"Listen, in this conversation, I am more trustworthy than you... I believe you would delete it because I feel that you have had a change of heart over this conversation... I'm going to try to build the goodwill through this video."

If I had to guess this person has bipolar disorder and no one should interact with her; Not just because she is evidently a terrible person, but because she would turn the interaction into "content" for the following she has built around the targeted harassment of individuals she deems an "enemy of artists".

@drumnbass You should be ashamed of yourself for saying this, especially for "diagnosing" Nimis with bpd. She is not a terrible person, I was the terrible, shitty person who did a terrible thing to the entire artist community. Furthermore I was a complete dick in DMs and her response was only reasonable. She does not make much off YouTube and the point is not to turn it into "content." Do you know how much time Nimis spent on this video? Nimis stayed up all night and barely slept to edit this video to help clear things up and alleviate concerns from artists. Nimis has done nothing but good for everyone

Either way @captivedreamer , you should consider at least having a conversation with Nimis. I don't think you will regret it

Anyone using heft's experience with her as leverage to be a straight up jerk to the art community should know that you're not making ANYTHING better.
you have actively made things worse by continuing what WAS stopped! Heft did good by stopping what they did and CHOSE to help us. while I'm still mad at their actions, they have chosen to better themselves and I credit them for that. that being said, Nimis had EVERY right to be angry towards heft. do not put words in Nimis's mouth and most importantly, do not blame US for having our works stolen. even the people of your community know this is wrong. please, do us a favor and take this down.

sorry if this is aggressive. you should understand that this is very stressful for everyone involved. how they're feeling is completely justified and I HOPE to reason with you guys calmly. and I hope you understand that my intention isn't to be a dick, I just want to remind you how you treat us shouldn't be treated lightly . Nimis has the capacity to be a very kind and understanding person so please hear her out. not all of us will give you that sympathy.

@drumnbass You should be ashamed of yourself for saying this, especially for "diagnosing" Nimis with bpd. She is not a terrible person, I was the terrible, shitty person who did a terrible thing to the entire artist community. Furthermore I was a complete dick in DMs and her response was only reasonable. She does not make much off YouTube and the point is not to turn it into "content." Do you know how much time Nimis spent on this video? Nimis stayed up all night and barely slept to edit this video to help clear things up and alleviate concerns from artists. Nimis has done nothing but good for everyone

Either way @captivedreamer , you should consider at least having a conversation with Nimis. I don't think you will regret it

This is the most deranged sockpuppet attempt I have ever seen.

She does not make much off YouTube and the point is not to turn it into "content."

In "6 Things I Wish I Knew as a New Author in 2026", 30s in, NimisFNA states:
"I still have not figured that out [Subgenres in writing]. I have not understood what I'm supposed to do... My other option is I am thinking about paying somebody to tell me what it is who knows more about this stuff than I do because I have enough money to do that because I have a YouTube channel."

Please don't be mean to @iscrapedcara , he has had enough hate thrown on him on both sides continuously no matter what he did. He deserves better.

But multiple discord servers co-ordinating mass reporting? That's just nasty. Even PauseAI is in on this now.

@captivatedreamer Would love to talk if you could DM me on Discord! heft1028

She does not make much off YouTube and the point is not to turn it into "content."

In "6 Things I Wish I Knew as a New Author in 2026", 30s in, NimisFNA states:
"I still have not figured that out [Subgenres in writing]. I have not understood what I'm supposed to do... My other option is I am thinking about paying somebody to tell me what it is who knows more about this stuff than I do because I have enough money to do that because I have a YouTube channel."

Nimis does not, in fact, make much money at all from YouTube. Do some research before saying dumb things like this.

She does not make much off YouTube and the point is not to turn it into "content."

In "6 Things I Wish I Knew as a New Author in 2026", 30s in, NimisFNA states:
"I still have not figured that out [Subgenres in writing]. I have not understood what I'm supposed to do... My other option is I am thinking about paying somebody to tell me what it is who knows more about this stuff than I do because I have enough money to do that because I have a YouTube channel."

Nimis does not, in fact, make much money at all from YouTube. Do some research before saying dumb things like this.

I am quoting them verbatim. It doesn't matter if it's a lot of money or not, it is still a source of income. Bringing up the channel specifically in this context indicates a 3 figures revenue at least.