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Everybody hates. Yeah. I'll lead that march. There was one about possums, mountain and lowland possums. Yeah. Et cetera. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
There was one about possums, mountain and lowland possums. Yeah. Et cetera. Falling rain, temperature levels in recent decades. Telomeres, which to me, this is another one of those that I find interesting and gray hair. But I think that's probably enough. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Falling rain, temperature levels in recent decades. Telomeres, which to me, this is another one of those that I find interesting and gray hair. But I think that's probably enough. If you can pinpoint even one of those among your sections, you'll know that section counted. Yeah. You know, the thing is, is you can go onl... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
If you can pinpoint even one of those among your sections, you'll know that section counted. Yeah. You know, the thing is, is you can go online and there are definitely like lists of almost every question that counts. I think at a certain point though, it doesn't make any difference because you're like, all right, I fi... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
I think at a certain point though, it doesn't make any difference because you're like, all right, I figured out that. Yeah. That question about a possum was scored and now I'm good to go. Yeah, that most people can't even tell which section was which, you know, they can sometimes figure it out. There are some tip offs ... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Yeah, that most people can't even tell which section was which, you know, they can sometimes figure it out. There are some tip offs that are out there, but for the most part, once you're like, all right, I know that that was real. It's hard to get a really good sense of the difficulty, just like they did last year in t... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
We know that there was a couple tricky LR that were floating around, but that again is the new normal. And it's always been normal to have a few tricky ones. Yeah. How tricky we'll have to determine in the future whenever this test comes out, you know, if they reuse it at some point. Or if they get used to it. It's a f... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
How tricky we'll have to determine in the future whenever this test comes out, you know, if they reuse it at some point. Or if they get used to it. It's a full test. Or, you know. It's not coming out on the score release date. No. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Or, you know. It's not coming out on the score release date. No. So. Do not expect to get a copy of this thing here in a couple of weeks. We'll talk about that in just a second. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
So. Do not expect to get a copy of this thing here in a couple of weeks. We'll talk about that in just a second. A decade from now, maybe they let it loose. The only thing in this LR that gives me pause, Dave, is a bit of a historical reference, which is how comfortable, at least from what I could see, everyone felt in... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
A decade from now, maybe they let it loose. The only thing in this LR that gives me pause, Dave, is a bit of a historical reference, which is how comfortable, at least from what I could see, everyone felt in September of last year and in November of last year. And that comfort was incredibly inappropriate or miscalibra... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Yeah. I don't know if I would say it was widespread comfort, though. I certainly. Did you have a lot of people feeling uneasy? Yeah. Certainly September, as I recall, gave a greater sense of uneasiness than November. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Did you have a lot of people feeling uneasy? Yeah. Certainly September, as I recall, gave a greater sense of uneasiness than November. I remember I was worried about November because I kept thinking, I wonder if this is another one of these tricky sections and people have just missed some of the hard questions. Now, co... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
I remember I was worried about November because I kept thinking, I wonder if this is another one of these tricky sections and people have just missed some of the hard questions. Now, could that be the case here? Certainly. Sure. It's impossible for us to tell. And I wish that wasn't the case. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Sure. It's impossible for us to tell. And I wish that wasn't the case. But we try to factor things like that into the idea of the scoring scale for this as well. Because, you know, that's always the very first question that I get asked is, well, what do you think about the scale? And we sift a lot of information to try... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
But we try to factor things like that into the idea of the scoring scale for this as well. Because, you know, that's always the very first question that I get asked is, well, what do you think about the scale? And we sift a lot of information to try to arrive at that conclusion. It is, as I always say, a product of ana... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
It is, as I always say, a product of analysis and experience, a little bit of magic and a little bit of guessing. But it's a great exercise. I love doing it. It's actually one of my favorite things to do for each LSAT. Although it is slightly fraught with tension because I'm like, I don't want to be wrong. I was just a... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
It's actually one of my favorite things to do for each LSAT. Although it is slightly fraught with tension because I'm like, I don't want to be wrong. I was just about to say you love doing it because you're typically right. I am more often right on the nose than not. But every once in a while, I'm off by one. And it al... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
I am more often right on the nose than not. But every once in a while, I'm off by one. And it always just galls me to no end when I miss it because I'm like, I should have taken this into account and weighted this a little bit more. Or why did I, you know, put more evidence over in that particular camp when I should ha... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Or why did I, you know, put more evidence over in that particular camp when I should have put it on this side? I think if this had been a 101 question test, I would have said this is a minus 12 curve. I could see arguments for minus 11 on that, but I probably would have said 12. So when it drops down to 100 questions, ... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
So when it drops down to 100 questions, the prediction there is going to be that you can miss 11 questions. And if you're not familiar with this idea of the discussion of the curve, it's not really a true curve. It's not based upon performance. It's set beforehand. But that whole point relates to how many questions can... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
It's set beforehand. But that whole point relates to how many questions can you miss to get a 170? So when we say minus 11, that's still kind of in the middle. And for 100 question tests, it's definitely in the middle. There have been scales in the past that have been as tight as minus 8 for a 170, which is just brutal... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
And for 100 question tests, it's definitely in the middle. There have been scales in the past that have been as tight as minus 8 for a 170, which is just brutal. I mean, you just can't have that many mistakes. And as loose as minus 14 for a 170. So all of a sudden, it's like, oh, missed a few. No big deal. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
And as loose as minus 14 for a 170. So all of a sudden, it's like, oh, missed a few. No big deal. I still got a great score. Just keep in mind that it's not like they're throwing darts at a board to come up with the scales. It's not pin the tail on the donkey. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
I still got a great score. Just keep in mind that it's not like they're throwing darts at a board to come up with the scales. It's not pin the tail on the donkey. You know, it is built upon the idea of difficulty. And when you have really hard tests from a base logical standpoint, then the scale loosens up and you get ... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
You know, it is built upon the idea of difficulty. And when you have really hard tests from a base logical standpoint, then the scale loosens up and you get a minus 12, minus 13, minus 14. 13 and 14 being the really loose ones. When you have an easier test, they tighten up the scale. And that's where you start to see 1... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
When you have an easier test, they tighten up the scale. And that's where you start to see 10, 9, and 8 occurring. So the minus 11 on 100 questions to get a 170 is really kind of saying this test was in the bout in the middle. Yeah. About where I think it's going to fall. Let me throw a bone to some of our internationa... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Yeah. About where I think it's going to fall. Let me throw a bone to some of our international and Sabbath observing friends out there too. For those of you who got a repeat of a test from 2012, so the Europe folks on Saturday and Africa and various places and the Sabbath observers on Monday, which was the February 201... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
For those of you who got a repeat of a test from 2012, so the Europe folks on Saturday and Africa and various places and the Sabbath observers on Monday, which was the February 2013 tests, scales back in those days, as it were, it's not that long ago, but back in the 2011 to 2014, 15 had more minus 13s, had more minus ... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
No, I think your opinions is right on the money. So, and I think we had predicted for those tests, something along the lines of minus 12. I was saying minus 12 to people through the weekend. Yeah. It gets tough when you go back like five, six, seven years and you're like, wait, what was the prediction? But I believe th... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Yeah. It gets tough when you go back like five, six, seven years and you're like, wait, what was the prediction? But I believe those were also around the minus 12 point for both of those tests. Yeah. You made the statement a minute ago, Dave, that these curves scales are set beforehand in advance. And I just want to cl... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Yeah. You made the statement a minute ago, Dave, that these curves scales are set beforehand in advance. And I just want to clarify this with you. Would you say that is a rock solid? This is what it's going to be and they don't even evaluate the results of that group of test takers and potentially change it? Or is it s... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Would you say that is a rock solid? This is what it's going to be and they don't even evaluate the results of that group of test takers and potentially change it? Or is it subject to change based on what they get as feedback from that new group of students? I think it would be foolhardy to say there's no possible way w... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
I think it would be foolhardy to say there's no possible way we're going to change anything. That's just, I mean, that's not good science. Right. And, you know, psychometrics is built upon statistical analysis. So ultimately I think what happens is we've talked about some of the sections being used were experimentals o... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
And, you know, psychometrics is built upon statistical analysis. So ultimately I think what happens is we've talked about some of the sections being used were experimentals on prior tests. Well, why do they do that? Because they are gathering data and they're looking to see how the questions performed. They're getting ... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Because they are gathering data and they're looking to see how the questions performed. They're getting rid of any problematic questions and they're kind of getting an assessment of difficulty. So when they start compiling all these sections, they have a really good idea of how people will perform. Right. You know, and... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Right. You know, and I think there's a, in one of the Sherlock Holmes books, one of my favorite quotes is, is that you can't know what any one person will do, but when it comes to the masses, you can have a really good idea of what they will do. Yeah. And so we can't go out there and say that, all right, Janet's going ... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
And so we can't go out there and say that, all right, Janet's going to perform like this. But when we take a look at all the test takers, we have a good sense that probably somewhere in the vicinity of 60% are going to miss this particular problem. 50% are going to miss this and so forth. And that's how they construct ... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
And that's how they construct these tests. So I think one of the things when they go to get results back is they take a look at it and they say, all right, everybody just took this exam. What did we expect and what did we get? I think they're pretty good at what they do and it's usually pretty close to spot on. And so ... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
I think they're pretty good at what they do and it's usually pretty close to spot on. And so they don't have to make that many or any adjustments. I do think occasionally adjustments are made because not everything works out perfectly and sometimes there's some unexpected results. But by and large, they know going in w... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
But by and large, they know going in what the scale is going to look like. Yeah. And any adjustments are minor. Yeah. I think, was it George Carlin that said something to the effect of like, people aren't stupid, but a person, a person can be really stupid. It's the same idea. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Yeah. I think, was it George Carlin that said something to the effect of like, people aren't stupid, but a person, a person can be really stupid. It's the same idea. Yeah. They don't look at individuals in this. They look at the composite whole. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Yeah. They don't look at individuals in this. They look at the composite whole. Yeah. On the whole. Yeah. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Yeah. On the whole. Yeah. So when are we going to see not the curve, not the scale, not the content, but at least the outcomes? When are we going to see results? So scores come out? | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
So when are we going to see not the curve, not the scale, not the content, but at least the outcomes? When are we going to see results? So scores come out? On Friday, April 19th. And again, if you're wondering if there's a chance they'll be released early, I have good or bad news for you, depending on your position on ... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
On Friday, April 19th. And again, if you're wondering if there's a chance they'll be released early, I have good or bad news for you, depending on your position on this. But the answer is no, you'll see them that Friday morning. The release typically starts around 9am Eastern time. Exactly. Which is a great joy to us o... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
The release typically starts around 9am Eastern time. Exactly. Which is a great joy to us on the West Coast. Because we wake up to a slurry of emails. A blizzard of messages. You know, and you make a comment about like, whether it's good or bad that they don't release scores early. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Because we wake up to a slurry of emails. A blizzard of messages. You know, and you make a comment about like, whether it's good or bad that they don't release scores early. There, I think, I know that you and I both agree, as do many other people who do this on the regular, that the fact that they have chosen a set da... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
There, I think, I know that you and I both agree, as do many other people who do this on the regular, that the fact that they have chosen a set date and a roughly set time to do this is a great, great development in the history of LSAT score releases. Yeah, and I still see people going on forums and they're like, it's ... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Stop it. Don't do that. It's a waste of time. It's a waste of your life. It's a waste of energy. It's a waste of resources. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
It's a waste of your life. It's a waste of energy. It's a waste of resources. I love the fact that they no longer release early because it has reduced tension ahead of score release drastically. Yes. And they've escalated the overall timeline too. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
I love the fact that they no longer release early because it has reduced tension ahead of score release drastically. Yes. And they've escalated the overall timeline too. They've sped it up a bit. So now scores are 20, 21 days, 22 if they really push it. So yeah, I'm a big fan, as committed to this as a good idea as I a... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
They've sped it up a bit. So now scores are 20, 21 days, 22 if they really push it. So yeah, I'm a big fan, as committed to this as a good idea as I am to a spherical earth. This is a very good policy decision they've made and I commend LSAC for it. I support it. If they're listening, hand clap. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
This is a very good policy decision they've made and I commend LSAC for it. I support it. If they're listening, hand clap. Yes, good for them. All right. Which leads us then, I think, to really the final consideration people could make. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Yes, good for them. All right. Which leads us then, I think, to really the final consideration people could make. If they've had a chance to think back about their weekend, their test, or their Monday, they've thought about what was real and what wasn't. Maybe they've done some additional research because all of this i... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
If they've had a chance to think back about their weekend, their test, or their Monday, they've thought about what was real and what wasn't. Maybe they've done some additional research because all of this is out there online if they want to. They figured out what counted, all of that. Then they start to estimate what's... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Then they start to estimate what's likely to happen on April 19th with their score. What am I going to get? Is that acceptable? Is it not? And that naturally invites, and there's a few more days to make this determination, it invites the possibility of canceling your score altogether. Let's talk a little bit. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Is it not? And that naturally invites, and there's a few more days to make this determination, it invites the possibility of canceling your score altogether. Let's talk a little bit. I mean, you really... Yeah. Let's talk a little bit about keeping it real. And you really... Yeah, let's talk a little bit about keeping ... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
I mean, you really... Yeah. Let's talk a little bit about keeping it real. And you really... Yeah, let's talk a little bit about keeping it versus canceling it and what might motivate one or the other, what each means. That's your choice right now. Yes. You've taken the test, assuming you didn't cancel it at the center... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
That's your choice right now. Yes. You've taken the test, assuming you didn't cancel it at the center or anything like that, and you should never, ever do that. Yeah. You're now down, should I keep my score or should I cancel it? And the thing that you often see is that students will come back and they'll be like, I th... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Yeah. You're now down, should I keep my score or should I cancel it? And the thing that you often see is that students will come back and they'll be like, I think I might have done worse. The first thing that I will say is it is really, really difficult to assess your performance after you've gone through a four plus h... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
The first thing that I will say is it is really, really difficult to assess your performance after you've gone through a four plus hour test that is mentally and physically grueling. You just don't really have a good picture of where you're at. So I always counsel people, let's wait this out a few days. Let's see how t... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Let's see how things look in two or three days. So that's the first thing is take some time, assess what's the best you could have done, what's the worst you could have done. Take a look at those scales. Let's say I'm right and that it is minus 11 for 170. And then check and see what happens if I'm wrong. And if it's m... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Let's say I'm right and that it is minus 11 for 170. And then check and see what happens if I'm wrong. And if it's minus 12 or minus 10. I should note here, yeah, that we have, by the way, a site or a page on our site that lists all of the scales, I think from 150 on up through 180 for just about every test, 25, 30 plu... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
I should note here, yeah, that we have, by the way, a site or a page on our site that lists all of the scales, I think from 150 on up through 180 for just about every test, 25, 30 plus years of tests. I will link to this site. I don't know how far it goes back. It's not every year. It only goes from 2005 to the present... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
It's not every year. It only goes from 2005 to the present simply because the variability in older tests, I think, is different enough to... Knowing what happened in 93 is more or less irrelevant at this point. It's just a statistical anecdote of interest to somebody like me. 15 years worth, give or take, of tests to c... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
15 years worth, give or take, of tests to consider. Look at the recent years, look at minus 11 scales, 100 question tests, and see where you might fall in the 150s or 60s or wherever you expect your score range to put you. And that'll give you a very good sense of what those numbers look like at the high and low end. E... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Exactly. And we'll link to it. So then you move to that point of like, well, should I keep it or cancel it? The first thing I'm going to say is that for most students, there's no reason to cancel. In fact, there's arguments being made by professionals that I know in this field who are like, you should never cancel. And... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
The first thing I'm going to say is that for most students, there's no reason to cancel. In fact, there's arguments being made by professionals that I know in this field who are like, you should never cancel. And I'm not going to say I would go all that way, but keep this in mind. Law schools use the high score for adm... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Law schools use the high score for admissions purposes these days. This is in the domestic US. Canada can be a little bit different. So at least make note of that difference. But in the domestic US, only the high score has to be reported to the ABA. Only the high score is used for US News and World Report rankings, whi... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
So at least make note of that difference. But in the domestic US, only the high score has to be reported to the ABA. Only the high score is used for US News and World Report rankings, which is a big deal. So if you're a law school, the way that I've always taken it to be, and what I've now heard from a number of deans ... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
So if you're a law school, the way that I've always taken it to be, and what I've now heard from a number of deans is, look, if someone can go out and score 165 and their other scores are 161, they got the 165. They are a 165 to us. That's the number we're going to be passing along to all the organizations. So that's t... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
So that's the one we care about. Now, a lot of times students are like, well, I got a 161 and then a 165, so it's OK. And then somebody comes in and they're like, well, I have a 165 and now I got a 161. Or as would be the case for somebody right now, I think I've done worse. Maybe I got a 161. It doesn't matter. And mo... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Maybe I got a 161. It doesn't matter. And most people are not good at self-analyzing after the test. I have seen students who told me for sure, I didn't know I got a 155. I've done terribly. I'm really upset for their standards. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
I have seen students who told me for sure, I didn't know I got a 155. I've done terribly. I'm really upset for their standards. Maybe they were scoring in the low 160s and they're like, now I think I've dropped down. They get their score back and they're like, I did three points better than ever. Yeah, I see this all t... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Maybe they were scoring in the low 160s and they're like, now I think I've dropped down. They get their score back and they're like, I did three points better than ever. Yeah, I see this all the time. I'm like, well, aren't you glad you didn't cancel the so-called terrible experience? I know of a student years ago who ... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
I'm like, well, aren't you glad you didn't cancel the so-called terrible experience? I know of a student years ago who canceled a 178 almost for sure. And it was like... You're talking to him. Did you cancel one? No, but I've hovered over it. You thought about it, but you're not the person. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Did you cancel one? No, but I've hovered over it. You thought about it, but you're not the person. I sat there and I was like, man, I'm just not so sure about this. Well, I know someone who for sure basically... I rolled those dice. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
I sat there and I was like, man, I'm just not so sure about this. Well, I know someone who for sure basically... I rolled those dice. Well, how do you know for sure if you don't get the score when you cancel? Yeah, well, at that point in time, after the cancel came back and the test came back, the big issue that it had... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Well, how do you know for sure if you don't get the score when you cancel? Yeah, well, at that point in time, after the cancel came back and the test came back, the big issue that it had caused this person to cancel turned out that they'd gotten it right. And what they thought was just this disastrous performance. Inte... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Interesting. Now they'd done great. So then they went out and they did not get a 178 the second time. And they got a 176 or a 177. And it's just like, come on, you know. Now the circumstances were different at that point. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
And they got a 176 or a 177. And it's just like, come on, you know. Now the circumstances were different at that point. And the scores that you had back then were averaged. That's no longer the case. So they may report that average, but that's not what is used. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
And the scores that you had back then were averaged. That's no longer the case. So they may report that average, but that's not what is used. The bottom line is, is there's very little reason to cancel. Yeah. Let me interject with two things, Dave. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
The bottom line is, is there's very little reason to cancel. Yeah. Let me interject with two things, Dave. And this will... they may both involve you. You mentioned two scores in your hypothetical just now that are in a very narrow band. A 165, a 161, average would be a 163, which is, again, very representative. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
And this will... they may both involve you. You mentioned two scores in your hypothetical just now that are in a very narrow band. A 165, a 161, average would be a 163, which is, again, very representative. You're still the 165 regardless of the chronology of those two results. But let's spread them out more. What if y... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
You're still the 165 regardless of the chronology of those two results. But let's spread them out more. What if you're like a 170 and you take it again and get a 150? What if you're 150 and you jump to a 170? Are schools still going to look at that high 170? Are you a 170 still in both of those cases? | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
What if you're 150 and you jump to a 170? Are schools still going to look at that high 170? Are you a 170 still in both of those cases? 20 points is a lot. Yes, it is. Now, in the way I'd probably approach that is just human nature is going to be curious. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
20 points is a lot. Yes, it is. Now, in the way I'd probably approach that is just human nature is going to be curious. And admissions professionals and people on the admissions committees, they are in fact human, despite what many people think. That's right. And so I would probably throw in a comment, an addendum that... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
And admissions professionals and people on the admissions committees, they are in fact human, despite what many people think. That's right. And so I would probably throw in a comment, an addendum that says, I was really sick and I got a 150. And when I got the 170, I felt like myself or whatever. Not in those words or ... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
And when I got the 170, I felt like myself or whatever. Not in those words or that short, but that general idea or whatever is applicable. So I think when you are talking about a more realistic scenario, let's say you're talking about seven or eight point differences, then I don't think it matters. A 20 point differenc... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
A 20 point difference is just so much that my first reaction is, what happened? Yeah. And if you ever are eliciting that response and people reading your application, you should probably address it so that they don't have that response, or at least they can get an immediate answer. Yeah, that's not a rhetorical questio... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Yeah, that's not a rhetorical question. Yeah. Without wondering, what happened to that guy? But that's, you know, if you have the ability to score 170, you're less likely to have a 150 on your record at any point. Yeah. You might see a trend. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
But that's, you know, if you have the ability to score 170, you're less likely to have a 150 on your record at any point. Yeah. You might see a trend. Maybe somebody's like, I got a 151 and then I got a 158 and then I got a 164. And, you know, maybe they took the test again and got a 168. I see that. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Maybe somebody's like, I got a 151 and then I got a 158 and then I got a 164. And, you know, maybe they took the test again and got a 168. I see that. I can see the rise. From an admissions perspective, my immediate thought is, this person's working harder to be better. I love this guy. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
I can see the rise. From an admissions perspective, my immediate thought is, this person's working harder to be better. I love this guy. Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with that at all. We have a 168 here and we also have somebody who's a proven hard worker. I feel great about them. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with that at all. We have a 168 here and we also have somebody who's a proven hard worker. I feel great about them. Yeah. I see this in classes all the time, for instance. Fortunately, those tests don't get reported to anyone. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
Yeah. I see this in classes all the time, for instance. Fortunately, those tests don't get reported to anyone. But I had two students in my last class here go from the 130s to the 170s by their final in-class test. I've had that happen too. 35, 40 plus points that you see. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
But I had two students in my last class here go from the 130s to the 170s by their final in-class test. I've had that happen too. 35, 40 plus points that you see. And on an LSAT, that would actually be the kind of thing, again, that merits explanation. In a class, it's perfectly explicable. Oh, yeah. | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
And on an LSAT, that would actually be the kind of thing, again, that merits explanation. In a class, it's perfectly explicable. Oh, yeah. That's what's supposed to happen. One of my favorite students of all time is a guy who went from the 130s into the 170s. And then when he took the actual test, he dropped down into ... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
That's what's supposed to happen. One of my favorite students of all time is a guy who went from the 130s into the 170s. And then when he took the actual test, he dropped down into the 160s. But I remember the students in class at first, they were like, his questions bothered them. But he was the type of learner who ha... | Ep. 10 March 2019 LSAT Review and Scale Prediction_segment2.mp3 |
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