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We all want to leave a social setting feeling good and on that day I did not. Instead I left frustrated thinking why is everyone so boring and the next few days I could not stop thinking about it, you know.
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I replayed some of the conversations in my head pondering questions like what would have made it more enjoyable and where the other is having a good time and of course the dreaded question was I the boring one and all this made me wonder what
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actually makes a conversation good and what makes a bad one and so I started thinking about some of the recent positive experiences that I've had
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to use as a case study. Here is some background to the scenario that I picked. Lunch date with guy I was dating. Tall, dark, handsome, it was date number six.
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And by the way, can you imagine being this guy and seeing this video of me writing an entire video essay about what made our conversation so enjoyable? This is why I could never date a YouTuber They are weird.
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Now, of course, this video is not about that date or that person in particular. We are just going to use that scenario to try and generate some more in-depth understanding of the complex art of having good conversation.
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The general admissions gate. The general admissions gate is the basic criteria we subconsciously set before we even consider having a conversation with someone.
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And now, of course, there can be countless reasons for why we might not want to engage with someone everything from their parents to their behavior or even just our mood in that moment. Now, obviously, date number six.
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So he had passed the admissions gate already. And then comes the add-ons or levels. We will call it level one, which is there is some level of interest in that other person. And this interest could be anything, really.
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You know, it could be your neighbor telling you about their recent trip to Sydney, a place that you have always wanted to visit, or it could be a colleague you bond with over
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As for my date, level one was reached the moment we swiped right on each other and started messaging, because it signals that there is something there that I'm curious about or intrigued by.
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If we already have some sort of established interest in that person, whether we are romantically interested in them or we find them entertaining or just intellectually stimulating, you know, our reason for having level one interest in someone can vary greatly, but
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If you, on the other hand, find no interest in that person at all, regardless of reason, you're not likely to find a conversation with them interesting either.
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Guy keeps his coat on, he puts his phone on the table, and he orders a small side dish because he said he's already full. He had a meal before he came here. And here's a scenario too.
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Now, some people may not even take note of any of these things, but I think most people do and sometimes subconsciously. So here is what scenario one signals. I am not making myself comfortable. I'm not feeling relaxed.
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I'm open to being distracted and I don't plan on staying for that long. I knew we were having lunch, but I disregarded that and ate before coming here anyway. Here is what scenario two signals.
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I am making myself comfortable. I'm in no rush. I plan on being present with no distractions from my phone, and since we agreed on lunch, that's what we are doing. I want to be here.
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Now why does this matter? Because feeling relaxed, comfortable and at ease is usually a prerequisite for potentially having a good time and an enjoyable conversation.
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Alright, you're both seated down, you and whoever in this scenario is Guy and I, and before discussing the conversation itself, let's take a look at the initial body language, and let's see the scenarios again.
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Scenario 1 Guy maintains the appropriate amount of eye contact, as we are beginning to converse, which is said to be 50% of the time while you are speaking, 70% of the time while you are listening.
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He also has an open posture, slightly leaning in towards me, subtly stroking my arm when appropriate, and then observing how I respond. His facial expressions reflect the topic and mood of the conversation.
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He smiles as I tell him something that excites me. He looks concerned when I tell him something heavy. Scenario 2 Guy leans back, arms crossed, scanning the room, hardly looking at me as he speaks or as I speak.
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His face is mostly expressionless, not changing as I tell him something exciting, nor when I tell him something heavy. And now here is what's scenario one signals. I'm listening. I hear you.
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I feel relaxed and I'm glad to be here. Here's what scenario 2 signals. I'm not interested. I'm not really into you or this conversation. I'm distracted. I am tense. I'm not fully present.
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Now let's talk about the conversation itself, starting with active listening. So besides body language, what did Guy do that made me feel like he was really listening? Number one, Guy did not rush me when I spoke.
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He wasn't bursting to chime in with his own view or opinion or personal anecdote. I felt like I had space to elaborate my view and to think before I spoke.
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Number two, he responded with relevant follow-up questions or statements. Let's say that I told Guy, this apple would be so good with some Himalayan salt.
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Here's an example of a relevant follow-up statement, because, you know, a good conversation does not only consist of back-and-forth questions, it also consists of statements, so perhaps he could have said something like, my mom also
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used to make us fruit bowls.
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Here's an example of something I could have said that would be neither a question or really a statement, but rather just some words that tell me he's not really listening or he's just disinterested.
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Oh, that's crazy. And our conversation is not even all about just follow up questions and statements. Sometimes it's about acknowledging and validating the other person, both verbally and via body language.
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So for example, let's say someone says, my trip to Australia is only five days away. If relevant, you could enthusiastically say something like, I can tell they're really excited to you.
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It's not a question, it's simply acknowledging their emotions. Or if they share something heavy, like, it was hard losing a friend like that. Saying something like, it seems like this change has been really heavy on you.
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So your frame of comfort will look different depending on the situation, who you're having a conversation with, It's just a fancy way of saying what I feel comfortable talking about depends on who I'm talking to.
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And I find that some of the best conversations are when you both are able to pick up on it without really verbally expressing it. Like you just intuitively know what's appropriate to say and what isn't.
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There is this underlying agreement and now it's not always obvious, you know, finding that balance between showing interest and curiosity about a person without being intrusive and overstepping a boundary.
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I mean, I literally had a hairdresser ask me how much money I make once. You know, it's worth mentioning here too that our personal boundaries are often very much influenced by things like our culture and our upbringing.
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We tend to enjoy multi-dimensional dialogue when we get to feel and experience different types of emotions when we're talking to someone.
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So Guy and I, you know, we would talk about some very deep, meaningful things, and we would also be silly and keep it lighthearted, and we were able to go from one topic to the next just
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seamlessly. Number four, a 50-50 talking-listening ratio.
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No one wants to feel like they are just an ear and no one wants to feel like they need to carry the entire conversation. Number five, tone of voice and energy level. We've all been there.
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And there's also the other extreme end of that, where the person is so loud that it makes you uncomfortable, where they will loudly yell out something like, what? He cheated with Lila from HR?
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And now naturally, you know, we all have different tones of voice and energy levels when we speak and we don't need to match perfectly with another person in order to be able to have an enjoyable conversation.
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But it is quite a relief when you are somewhat synced. And Guy and I were like that. You know, I could breathe and still hear him. And I also did not have to worry about everyone hearing us.
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So in between talking and bantering, Guy and I would chew our food in peace, and we would occasionally, you know, lean back for a brief moment, inviting bits of silence.
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And I find that being able to do that makes social interactions feel less draining, especially if you are introverted. I know to me, you know, it's not even just about wanting to have pauses while conversing.
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If we are constantly talking and there's no space for a small break, I can't really absorb my surroundings and I wish to do that. It just makes me appreciate the experience more. Look, sometimes we just click with some people.
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I don't know if there is science behind it, I don't know if it's pheromones, chemistry, hormones, spiritual, I don't know. All I know is that it happens.
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So even though perhaps the other person was too loud and they kept their coat on and they talked way too much about themselves, you still left feeling good and inspired and excited and like you want to see them again.
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Now let's touch on some of the things that have the potential of making a conversation feel like a negative experience, and I will try to bring up points that aren't simply the opposite of everything that I already discussed.
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Number one, excessive expressions and body language. It's the constant mm-hmm, mm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I do this and I try not to.
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I do it as a way to validate the other person, like I want them to really know that I'm here, I'm listening, but it becomes too much. It's not necessary.
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I know when someone else does it, it makes me feel so stressed, like I need to really rush through my point because they are getting impatient, they just want me to finish my sentence.
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Now of course, we like it when we have a lot in common with someone and when we seem to agree on a lot of things, but we can also appreciate having different views of people and to be introduced to new perspectives.
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But even more so, we want honesty and authenticity and I think it's safe to say that there is no way that you can 100% agree on every little single thing that we talk about. Number three, no intellectual exchange.
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This is not about being pretentious and quoting ancient philosophers every other sentence to seem like an intellectual. It's simply about being well-read, being up to date with some current events, perhaps having a similar
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educational level, although not always necessary, and just being able to understand each other. At the very least, being open and interested in learning about various things.
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So let's say you are on a date, platonic or romantic, and much of the conversation consists of, oh, what's that? Oh, I've never heard that. Never try that.
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Don't know where that place is. Don't know anything about that. You know, it can make it difficult to relate to one another and it can become very under-stimulating if they never really have anything to add.
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Number four, not respecting or ignoring personal space. There is this personal space illustration where the furthest is social, the closer is personal, the closest is intimate. Thankfully, as a sweet, we love
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personal space. It's a cultural thing. I wouldn't say it's at all a regular occurrence that someone is standing way too close to your face, but it does happen.
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Now, not respecting personal space can also be You know, insisting on having a conversation or asking a question that the other person is clearly not interested in or it's making them uncomfortable.
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We have seen the email and we're either too busy to respond at the moment and so we will respond at a later point or we're just not interested and we will not respond at all. Stop the double texting.
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And by the way, this I think is way more of a personal pet peeve of mine rather than general advice. Number five, any level of rudeness or disrespect. This one is a no-brainer.
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You know, if someone is being rude, making inappropriate jokes, belittling you, or anything that feels disrespectful, it's, of course, not going to be a good experience. Number six, excessive complaining and negativity.
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So, this is me, I'm afraid. I hate when I catch myself doing this, even something seemingly innocent like complaining about the weather. I just don't want to be that person.
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You know, I want to make weather-appropriate plans. wear weather-appropriate clothes and go with it. And now of course we can complain sometimes. In fact, I think we should complain sometimes.
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But what we're talking about here is the chronic complainer, where their mindset is just so negative and it just clouds even you and it can be quite draining. And now look, most important of all,
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Just like there is no blueprint for success or finding love, we just do our best and sometimes it goes the way that we want it, sometimes it does not. And you just need to be absolutely okay with that.
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Every encounter is different, every person is different, every relationship is different, There is a time and there is a place. For example, there are plenty of situations where shallow level small talk is perfectly appropriate and even enjoyable.
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I think a word that beautifully sums up what we are ultimately experiencing in those rare, really good conversations is intersubjectivity, which is something I just learned about.
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It's the process by which people come to understand and relate to each other's inner worlds, and it goes beyond just having a conversation. It's the mutual understanding that builds over time through meaningful exchanges.
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