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Great news. May seem insignificant to the majority of us but science is the only way we will progress.
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22/04/2022 09:59
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Oh absolutely.Look how much we've 'progressed' in the last hundred years....
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22/04/2022 10:04
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So you would prefer us to all go back to how we were 100 years ago? OK, I vote you try first and live like it.
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22/04/2022 10:06
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Markie says, on the internet, using a laptop, or smartphone.
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22/04/2022 10:10
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Bit early to be on the sauce isn't it?
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22/04/2022 10:11
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Those with religious beliefs have caused far more deaths.. And set the development of the human race back by a 1000 years thanks to the dark ages..
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22/04/2022 10:23
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Depends what you mean by developement
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22/04/2022 10:34
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Not really the 'only' way to be fair. Many people need belief systems, for some science as truthful as it can be, is not a big enough motivational factor.Accepting that rigorous science and consensus among professionals and the need for continual questioning and advancement of our knowledge, most definitely.
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22/04/2022 10:36
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Society has made that leap back but when you live in a bubble theorising you don't notice this.
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22/04/2022 10:36
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The church calling scientists greedy is rather amusing.
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22/04/2022 10:38
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Yeah, progress towards killing ourselves and the planet! We spend billions on this type of thing which does nothing to stop hunger, wars, genocide. Don't get me started on space exploration, where we don't have a hope in hell of finding a mirror earth like planet, never mind ever reaching it, wormholes don't exist! We are a freak of nature shortly to be gone!
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22/04/2022 10:43
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Yeh, what have the last 100 years ever done for us - apart from eradicating some diseases, finding cures and new treatments for others, better overall health, longer lives, better living standards, better housing, faster transport, space travel, greater access to entertainment, quicker communications, TV, sliced bread, more plentiful food, cleaner water - what more do you want, an aqueduct?
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22/04/2022 10:50
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where did anyone say the church said that? Col is not 'the church'.
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22/04/2022 10:52
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Science invented the meth you take😁
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22/04/2022 10:53
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Deus ex machina
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22/04/2022 10:53
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some pretty thick ameba on here today with what has science done for us....crawl back under your rocks.
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22/04/2022 10:58
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Clueless comment.
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22/04/2022 11:02
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You need to ged on the meds judging by your depressing outlook.
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22/04/2022 11:03
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What do you even mean with that banal comment?
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22/04/2022 11:05
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Not sure it's science that has caused the death of millions.The actual causes are invariably human failings such as religious or political dogma or greed.
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22/04/2022 11:06
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What an absolute pile of drivel.
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22/04/2022 11:06
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OI, don't you dare insult amoebas like that!
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22/04/2022 11:09
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"Science has caused the death of millions,"Science hasn't, but the politicians abusing it have....
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22/04/2022 11:11
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Well, you're probably only alive because of the vaccines, antibiotics and general advances made in medicine. You eat cheap, safe food because of the advances in chemistry which lead to the green revolution. And lets ignore the fact you made that silly comment on the WWW which came out of a European research project (CERN) just like this one.
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22/04/2022 11:12
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You mean those who get people to freely give time tending to the church grounds, jumble sales, fetes, paint the church hall all whilst being ‘supervised’ by the paid vicar and still get the begging bowl out on a Sunday?
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22/04/2022 11:24
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100% agree, but there are other more impactful areas of science that would benefit from that funding. If we reduced the funding for CERN by 50%, then we'd have discovered these new particles 10-20 years later, whereas if that money was put into renewables or clean carbon research it could stave off the tipping point in 10-20 years, or any number of other short term technological benefits?
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22/04/2022 11:26
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Sciences progresses the species and it seems capitalism regresses us.
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22/04/2022 11:32
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Bet you're fun at parties
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22/04/2022 11:33
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Oh, the irony
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22/04/2022 11:34
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If we put 1% of the money spent on fossil fuels into researching the alternatives we'd achieve far more. If we'd reduced the spending at CERN by 50% we may not have the WWW. yet either. These big science projects generate a remarkable amount of spin off breakthroughs. Plus the only way we'll get fusion working is through fully understanding the nature of mass.
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22/04/2022 11:34
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The internet, laptops and smartphones WEREN'T the result of 'Scientists' but inventors & engineers...
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22/04/2022 11:40
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Capitalism is one of the driving forces behind science. Compare how many novel drugs were invented in the west to how many were invented in the USSR. Most people in the west have access to computers and the internet because its profitable for those making the computers and providing the service.
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22/04/2022 11:41
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Worcester or HP?
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22/04/2022 11:41
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Pretty sure it had a lot to do with Claude Shannon. While an engineer, he's better known as the father of information theory.
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22/04/2022 11:44
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Why put "scientist" is speech marks? Given that the guy who fixes your boiler is now a "heating engineer" I'd say the term "engineer" is much more dubious than Scientist. Also if you take something like the NMR scanner that was invented by Sir Peter Mansfield who has a BSc and PhD in Physics. Unquestionably a scientist not an engineer.
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22/04/2022 11:46
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You're correct! From the Wright brothers to manned spaceflight in what, less than 1 generation. Thank you science.!
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22/04/2022 11:49
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Have a read of Factfulness by Hans Rosling. Progress is increasing literacy, reducing poverty, reducing violence and eradicating disease (look how fast a Covid vaccine arrived). Newspapers sell misery, but the numbers tell a much more hopeful story.
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22/04/2022 11:54
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Science hasn't caused mass death, humans did that. Science gave us mass produced fertilizer and modern medicine, surgery, drugs etc which have saved billions of lives.
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22/04/2022 11:54
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Engineers and inventers do tangible work.'Scientists' theorise and experiment for years or tens of years to avoid getting a proper job....I've got a theory how to make vehicles clean so that makes me a 'Scientist'....
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22/04/2022 11:59
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So you think that there is no science involved at the fundamental physical level of the transistors and circuitry contained in those devices?
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22/04/2022 12:01
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We still have world poverty, homelessness, mental illness, cancer, climate change - things 'Scientists' aren't able to progress with or just ignore to play with a big metal circle....
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22/04/2022 12:04
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But apart from that, what have the Romans ever done for us
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22/04/2022 12:06
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I'm a scientist. I develop vaccines. The "tangible work" I do is getting vaccines into patients (3 trials so far and counting). You don't get funding for "ideas". You get funding for delivering products which make a profit for your investors.
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22/04/2022 12:07
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"Science gave us mass produced fertilizer and modern medicine, surgery, drugs etc which have saved billions of lives."True, but it also gave us mustard gas, the electric chair, the atom bomb, the machine gun, and the lethal injection. Fertiliser run-off is a major source of pollution.Science, like religion, is morally neutral. It can be used and misused for good or evil equally.
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22/04/2022 12:08
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You're being deliberately silly now. The improvements in cancer outcome over the past 100 years is phenomenal. The treatment of mental illness is more social than pharmacological but even then the drugs to treat it are kinder and more effective than ever before. I'm not sure why "homelessness" or "poverty" is something science should or can solve. Try politicians for that one.
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22/04/2022 12:09
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Curious as to what sort of lunatic doesn't think we've "progressed" in the past 100 years?
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22/04/2022 12:12
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How many people died from smallpox in your country last year?
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22/04/2022 12:12
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Technically its the product of science thats misused.BTW the first chemo drug - melphalan- is Nitrogen mustard conjugated to Phenylalanine. It was noticed in WW2 that people exposed to it showed a massive drop in white blood cells to it was tried with some effect against leukaemia
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22/04/2022 12:13
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But what have the Romans done for us Reg?
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22/04/2022 12:14
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We've progressed massively. Spoiled brats with no knowledge of history are the only people who could say otherwise.
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22/04/2022 12:17
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How serious should we take your scientific input considering your spelling hasn't developed beyond primary four level?
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22/04/2022 12:18
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It's pretty clear that you are neither an engineer nor a scientist. In fact, I'd venture that you've attended the university of life, amirite?
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22/04/2022 12:20
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And science creates more problems and costs… it’s not always beneficial but hey, nobody can stand in your way at all
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22/04/2022 12:24
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evidently ignorance has caused a hell of lot more damage that science has ever done and ever will.
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22/04/2022 12:27
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"The internet, laptops and smartphones WEREN'T the result of 'Scientists' but inventors & engineers..."So, those engineers and inventors didn't need to understand the science they were working with, on your planet?Falls off chair laughing!
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22/04/2022 12:29
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You really, really don't understand how science works, do you....Did a scientist run off with your girlfriend, or something?
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22/04/2022 12:32
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You'd rather go back to the days before electricity, or medicine, or modern agriculture, would you?
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22/04/2022 12:36
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Glass half empty mate?
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22/04/2022 12:39
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Yep, do.
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22/04/2022 12:40
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Your name describes you perfectly
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22/04/2022 12:40
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That's nothing to do with science, it's been caused by capitalism. Science has actually saved the lives of hundreds of millions. Next time you fall ill, make sure you avoid using the health services with all their drugs and diagnostics facilities, because all of those things are the products of science and you wouldn't want to have anything to do with that, would you?
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22/04/2022 12:43
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Oh, and yes, I fully support this development. If we have no progress where do we go? Markie get back in your mud hut
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22/04/2022 12:52
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The area detectors on synchrotrons led directly to digital cameras - science first, then engineering for mass market.Usually the way it works.
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22/04/2022 12:54
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What about religion?
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22/04/2022 12:55
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You ok? Need any help?
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22/04/2022 12:57
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Thank you Sir. Saved me typing!
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22/04/2022 13:00
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Why are you using this forum...build by science...why are you even alive still...probably science
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22/04/2022 13:06
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Indeed, think about how much you benefit from your tampons….
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22/04/2022 13:08
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Only the weak need belief systems. Belief systems look inwards all the time and tell you nothing, Science doesn't kill anyway, people do.
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22/04/2022 13:09
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Nah. Not everyone is the brightest, scientifically inclined. There's always 50% of people less intelligent than the average. Plenty good people who have belief systems that improve humanity.I find people who throw their entire lot into science being the answer to everything a little disingenuous. After all we're 500 years into the enlightenment and still destroying the planet.
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22/04/2022 13:14
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It is swings & roundabouts. Try reading, 'Sapiens,' to get an idea of the nuances of progress. Humans desire 'better and happier,' but our means of achieving this often have devastating impacts on other species and our own environment, without ever reaching the desired goal. A thought provoking and ultimately depressing book and I speak as a scientist who has mixed feelings about what we're doing!
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22/04/2022 13:20
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Yep my sauce is powerful, world burning and your sauce makes you blind.
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22/04/2022 13:21
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A good idea, I think the fossil fuel industry profits are around $200 billion a year, and CERN's budget is around $1b a year, so 1% would double their budget, so then we halve it back to $1b and give the other $1b to more useful projects - everyone wins! The WWW was not invented due to CERN funding, it was a by product of scientists/engineers working together - it was inevitable.
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22/04/2022 13:24
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Said using a computer, using the internet :)
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22/04/2022 13:26
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But you need these big projects to get the scientists and engineers all working together. Otherwise its all 5 or 6 figure grants to small university teams working in isolation. The WWW was useful at CERN because it made communication between teams work well.
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22/04/2022 13:35
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If it wasnt for space exploration we wouldn't have the microchip. The same microchips that allow you to use a computer and post on the internet...
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22/04/2022 13:42
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Absolutely, the poorest now live better than royalty did 100 years ago. Make no mistake, the world is a much better place now.
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22/04/2022 13:48
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Not quite... the chips in those devices were the result of scientists, the engineers used them to design and refine the devices.
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22/04/2022 13:51
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You simply can not be THAT stupid.I call troll.
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22/04/2022 14:30
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Largely because people with belief systems think that some supernatural being is going to ride over the horizon and save us from ourselves before we destroy the planet...it is no coincidence that the stronger your belief system the more likely you are to think that climate change, Covid and the war in Ukraine are all fake news...
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22/04/2022 14:41
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Yes I know. Those Covid vaccines, that we wouldn't have had 100 years ago, they were a real step backwards weren't they? Jeez.
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22/04/2022 14:46
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Exactly Reg - remember what the city used to be like...
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22/04/2022 14:46
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Look at the bigger picture and we have not progressed. Millions are still starving to death, millions still live in poverty, homelessness is as bigger problem as its ever been. The list is endless and that is not to mention the absolutely pointless WMD science has given us. I agree with you, we have not "progressed", we are still the vile species we have always been.
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22/04/2022 15:12
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Says someone with blinkered vision. Progressed? Only if you are short-sighted and only see what is going on in your own little bubble.
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22/04/2022 15:14
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correlation does not equal causation.Besides, it's a relatively new scientific theory, not really discredited that we live in a simulated universe.Simulated implies a creator. May not be the grey bearded guy we imagined but a creator all the same.
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22/04/2022 15:22
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Throughout all of human history, from primitive man without any science, to modern man with the science at our disposal, every living being has been in the state “soon we will all be dead”.It’s not science that causes death. It’s being alive that results in it.
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22/04/2022 15:26
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Progress seems to have missed you out.
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22/04/2022 15:35
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Timothy Leary has a lot to answer for.
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22/04/2022 15:37
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It is about time that the Government got gender differences in STEM subjects and Period education sorted. Then we will see more talented young women emancipated and trained as physicists. This is well overdue, in my estimation.
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22/04/2022 15:47
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Errrr no. Leaving out the Mongols, Greeks, Persians and Romans, it is Monarchies and European Nationalists, along with Atheist International and National Socialists, and their modernist science, have killed well over a billion people in the last 200 years. 2,000 years of tribalism or religious wars in Europe are a trifle compared to those lot. Stop trotting out silly mantras.
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22/04/2022 15:52
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I think you confuse science with religion.
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22/04/2022 15:55
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Who on Earth down voted this!? :(
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22/04/2022 16:13
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The hermeneutics of science is the least studied or understood areas of enquiry. This is is exemplified by the usual rabid tirade against religion - and, let's be honest billions of people - by ignorant epsitemological extremists. This thread is clearly off topic but the BBC censors won't intervene because they are not 'fair, balanced and impartial', as they claim.
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22/04/2022 16:43
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Less than one lifetime but two generations, But yes, your general point is good.
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22/04/2022 16:57
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Garbage, Who designed vaccines that prevent millions dying or having their health ruined by myriad diseases? Who developed cures for diseases that killed millions in the developing world? Who created ways of producing more food, more quickly to feed more people? Poverty is still here but affecting millions fewer people than 40 years ago - thanks to SCIENTISTS. Stop spouting ignorant tripe.
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"How serious should we take your scientific input considering your spelling hasn't developed beyond primary four level?"Probably best to get your own spelling right when making comments like that - seriously!
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22/04/2022 17:06
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Beyond yur comprehension 🤔
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22/04/2022 17:50
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What a troll-like comment.Over to you, Victorian Dad.
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22/04/2022 17:55
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Brilliant.Best post today
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Feel free to shuffle off. Don't wait for us
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