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no no
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well the
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relative scene is kind of sad you know everybody's kind of kind of passed away
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yeah just
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about my sister passed away yeah i don't know if you spoke to me before that or when was that was happening or
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oh
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god no it's i don't know what it is it's just uhhh people get sick and they get sick pretty young and and you know my sister wasn't that old and she just just had just had bad luck i guess is hard you can say yeah that was't much anything anybody could do so and then an ad of an ad of chris's at mae up in maine passed away no that had not happened no she passed away in about march or in yeah no she's been she was not doing well she had a brain tumor and operated on and things weren't going well and i actually got to see her i guess a day before she died i mean she didn't know she didn't know that that i was i yeah she was just not not in so it was a blessing i guess but uhhh anyway weird stuff poem yeah well i don't know i'll have to go next week to see check out you know to see again i i'm not exactly convinced that it's okay you know it's i i'm not not sure uhhh it's been been pretty good it was about eighty percent for a while and then i ummm i'm not exactly sure what it is now but we' we'll i'll know in a couple minutes vision oh yeah yeah sure the right eye is is uhhh not so great ummm and it was it we got back to about eighty percent you know it was a detached retina right and then they operated on it once and they operated on it twice and then it seem seems seems to be seem to be doing pretty well and at the moment i'm a little ummm not quite sure so who knows ummm but you know it'll never be more than about seventy or eighty percent which is fine eighty percent is fantastic ummm so well just we'll just see you know see what happens uhhh yeah annoying and the thing that came up recently you know i had oh a kind of a knee problem a couple of years ago and my right knee now it's my left knee it's just you know it's just a pain in the ass and ummm i went to the doctor and they they do a punk punk puns they anyway they take li fluid out of it they gets irritated and take some pills and stuff and it's just pain out ummm well that's what happens it develops because of irritation because of a ummm inflammation and how the inflammation yeah maybe i i mean they they they don't know it just came overnight practically ummm and uhhh we'd been up in berlin and we had a big trip over there and i did a lot of lot of walking a lot of fast walking and stuff but that you know i mean that's shouldn't be shouldn't be a big deal ummm was his last
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tri tft good your last students from tufts good
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yeah well they're still here right but they're winding down so you know that they wind down yeah they're very good they learned they learned a lot of german they learned amazing amount of german before i forget i saw george sheelins a couple of days ago and he's had well he's working for an american firm over here he's doing very very well ummm and his wife just had their fourth child a little boy benjamin yeah ummm about uhhh uhhh two weeks ago maybe tops and i got a card from you remember amy gleason yeah yeah well she just had a baby a couple well this is this is number two okay i just got a card
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from ron and doris and they see amy gleason on occasion and so i think theyy told me that have you heard from ron and doris not in a while no they are now living in rhode island you probably knew that well
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yeah and she's teaching at uri
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yeah and it was a very nice letter because it sounded like she went through very similar things that i did you know i went from chicago to ucsd to here and it's just such an intellectual left let down and she went from penn to colbia to columbia to uri and she said the students are just you know they don't care and they're not very good and all of a sudden she's getting conference papers rejected and she thinks it's the affiliation because she doesn't think the quality of her work has changed now i haven't submitted a conference paper with the missouri ummm you know affiliation yet because the last one i submitted ummm was in the fall and i still had my san diego affiliation ummm in fact i'm still officially on leave if anything came up in the next year we could still go back you know for sam but i think it's very very very very unlikely but at any rate it was nice to hear from her because she said after two years there now she ummm has come to terms with this and she's accepted that there's a lot of good things in rhode island and ummm you know their life is a lot less complicated and she has more time to be a parent and she's just not going to have the same kind of career that she had thought about ron is working as a financial consultant for uhhh merrill lynch and he yeah he had been doing work for some environmental firm as a consultant and it didn't work out he ummm he was changing projects every couple of weeks and he said he couldn't keep on top of it he couldn't learn the whole new area that fast each time ummm and he said he went and had some tests and he was diagnosed as having attention deficit disorder which you know given how he's how far he's gotten you know he got degree at tfts and all i found that surprising that for the first time as an adult they're diagnosing this i wonder
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about it but anyway
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yeah but that's what he said and ummm he ummm whatever is helpful right so he found this new job as a financial consultant and seems to be happy with that and then we saw leo and julie at christmas time and they're doing great ummm they had just he's in new york now right really nice house in westchester yeah an o an older home that you know juliea is of course carving up and making beautiful ummm now she had a job with an architectural group
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when
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she first got out to new york and that didn't work out she said they had her doing things that she really wasn't qualified to do and that she really didn't feel competent doing and they mutually agreed that she should leave and so she was looking for another job and ummm i'm sure she'll find one she's so talented she may have found ummm yeah and so we met ummm uhhh adrianne their kid who was three and just a really lovely little boy he's so big you know you know he he leo jan yeah and uhhh ron and doris sent us a picture of theirs and he has ron's expressions he really looks like ron ummm and he looks really big too in this picture he's three and a half ummm but leo and julie just seemed ummm sort of happy with the decisions they've made and
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good where now is he with a publishing house which one
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ummm
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well i yeah it's one of these sort of universityiv public university books hacot brace i'm not sure oh
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i have two friends in publishing and maybe the other one that just took the job with harcourt brace i don't remember which one yeah
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anyway he's he's enjoying it and liking it and they're doing okay yeah he seems
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to feel really like he's doing the right thing and he is still in academic publishing my other friend just moved to trade publishing after years in academic publishing and ummm you know it feels like maybe she made a compromise but it's like three times the money as with everything else with industry and academics ummm yeah it's amazing and ummm you know ages ago i got a card from liz gannon i told you this because uhhh you showed us her picture ummm and i keep thinking maybe i'd get in touch but i haven't done it and then i saw in the ummm tufts thing that jinny tadda is living you know in the alumni thing is living in the
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so what's new in these past couple days anything
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hmmm
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well ummm
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yeah i'm like working on this assignment for the new judge that i'm working for and ummm i really appreciate that lighting by the way ummm but i i'm working on this assignment for this judge that i'm working for and it's such a killer and it's due tomorrow morning so i've been working on it for part of the day i had work earlier so i couldn't work on it all day which i wish i could have i was like thinking about it all day so i feel totally preoccupied like even now as i sit here i'm thinking about this next section of this memorandum of law that i'm working on and ummm so
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all right
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feel very much like ummm i did when i was in law school where kind of like i have a reality that exists over top of ummm my
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you know ummm experienceial life my like waking up in the morning and getting up and driving and riding my bike or you know stopping at the coffee shop to get a drink of tea or something and like this other life that's lab layered over that which is like this life where i'm like really really engaged in thinking about things ummm that are otherwise complicated and
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you should be careful when riding your bike and thinking really hard i've done that
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oh my gosh i know it is it's so dangerous i mean and it's like
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it's dangerous
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yeah
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you i mean i feel like so many other areas of my life become really sloppy as a result of my being engaged in this other way and it also feels really alienating so like when i spend so much time thinking about ummm you know this one particular thing that is difficult to relate to anyone else like it it's kind of like i
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you know i become like enapsulated in this weird bubble but i'm like still having this these experiences in my like regular life and i it was weird to experience that today and yesterday and basically since the beginning of the week when i started working on the law and it's like ummm you know i'm the kind of person that can do that i'm like the kind of person who could become you know completely ummm enveloped in a mode of thinking ummm and like i'm the kind of person that can think about something and have you know an idea like turned around in your mind for a really long time and i have that ummm you know attention span i guess ummm but i don't really know how good that is you know i think it makes for like really good lawyering but i don't really think that it makes for like a very healthy balance life or something i think
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you know europeans are really good at the work life balance
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maybe you should meditate
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yo tell me about it i ummm
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i love that well and you know i've been running a lot like a lot
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do you can you think about
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and when i when i run i completely shut off my brain and i find myself like actually
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when you're running
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like having a really good time you know like it's
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more often than not when i'm running i'll like i'll be like smileing about something and i'll catch myself like smileing while i'm running i'm like oh my god i'm such a dork like like oh my god i look so stupid right now but like you know i'll be like laughing about something because i can become engaged again like in the things that make me happy not that thinking about the law doesn't isn't satisfying to a degree because it is ummm but like you know it's it's really hard to relate to other people when i'm so engrossed in thinking about the law or whatever
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yeah i mean that's how i was sort of i think i was with my school but the nice thing that i was able to do was i was always able to sort of pick out the things that connected between my classes and sort of
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have a a running story that i could use for all of them ummm yeah but it seems like this is so disconnected from everyday normal life
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yeah that's good
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i feel like it is so disconnected from everyday normal life which is why i think lawyers you know hang out with lawyers so much it is and like i don't i'm not like going to be one of those lawyers you know and i wonder if it will affect my practice like if i'll be you know less good or something because i you know because i'm not like committed to right or something which is so weird
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you're socialist
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you go to you ever you never go to law school mixers
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uhhh no i never go to those ummm i was like on the view which is this i mean i i think if you go to law school you know like you want to be on the view and i like rode onto the was accepted and you know like you have to do so much of that pressing of the flesh ummm
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when you're on law review you need to like you know you need to like mix all the time and it was so brutal it was like it was like the most brutal part about review to me in fact when i went for my board position i ummm
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i went for a position that was like really independent and isolated because i just like was so sick of having to talk to other people on the law review ummm so i had like this super technical technical job where i had to do these really really technical edits where i was literally like ummm you know responsible for uhhh editing the article so in such like a fine way that i was like literally counting the spaces between ummm like periods and a new word starting do you know what i mean and like making sure that ummm in a in an abbreviation ummm that had to be underlined that like the period wasn't underlined
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you know and like and stuff like that
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you're doing formating
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it is formating but it's ummm the legal writing has its own style manual and so ummm when you write a legal journal article ummm there's like this whole world of style formating and like basically it's citation formats so when you're citing stuff there's like this whole world of really really technical formating and you know when you're dealing with really out there sources ummm like we our journal printed some pretty weird articles ummm you know like we we were like citing these like ancient grecian texts and like there was one article we did where we were citing comic books and like we basically had to like develop a citation format for a lot of these things and like you know we had to like find all these sources there was like at one point i'm like looking for this grotious source or something and like we get it and it's all latin and i mean ummm so it's it's pretty crazy ummm and it would it's it's the reason why in my last year of law school all of my weekends were like saturday sunday ten hour days of just like sitting at home with my
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with my like a citation book and my article on my laptop and it would be like a hundred page article you know and every page has like maybe fourteen footnotes in it that are that of like citations that i need to check and so like it would just be like
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i think that there'd be like like they'd develop some sort of software to be able to run through and
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like do it four people now
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it it can't be it can't be no because uhhh you know when somebody say you write an article quoting another article you really need like a human being to check to make sure that like when we're giving credit where credit is due and reciting this other article we need to make sure that we're spelling you know
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yeah
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yeah
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mr hobn john's name properly we need to make sure that we are you know putting the full title of the article in there we need to make sure that we have properly cited the journal name with its appropriate ummm with its appropriate abreviation which has been delinated in the style book and then we need to make sure that we're using the proper type because within one citation the typefae changes so you have to do the person's name in roman fnt and then you need to put the title of the article in italics and then you need to do the journal itself in a totally separate type of large and small caps it's like really intense
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why so why is it like so why is it like what what purpose who cares who cares like if it doesn't get if it doesn't happen this way who's going to notice and who's going to do something about it
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important
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well
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well obviously you would get fired but
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people who know these technical edits will take one look at it and be like what is that like when i look at a journal article ummm when i look at a journal article now and i see that it's been cited improperly i feel like the people responsible for it are sloppy
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ummm
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because they didn't spend their weekends doing it
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because they didn't spend all of their weekends doing it yeah
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that makes absolutely no sense to me
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i mean no but so much of the law is like this and you know
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all of this our legal practice is rooted in is rooted i mean you know and i'm like you know i'm going to like reveal a little bit about myself now but it's all about making the law completely ineccessible it's all about ummm distracting people and ummm you know making it impossible to to identify and
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have you i take it you've read have you read kafkay have you ever come across this short story that sometimes within text it's called before the law the whole story it's about a guy who like it's as if the law were like a place and he goes and he stopped at the gates and ummm he he just he's waiting eternally cause they keep like telling him that you know maybe tomorrow or like maybe later today
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that's funny
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sure i mean it's really ummm part of the reason why i was so attracted to learning about the law was so that i could decipher it for other people i feel like ummm you know if you go into the law ummm you know for me going into the law was i mean the purpose of my becoming involved with it was to make it more accessible to others i don't have you know i don't take any pleasure in you know writing long obusse arguments you know like everything that i do when i work with the law is to make it more clear you know even now i'm writing this memo and i've got this model memo that i'm supposed to be working from and it's just shit you know like i'm looking at this memo and i'm thinking like i can't believe they gave this to me as a model you know like this is just garbage you know like why is the judge going to read this who on earth wants to read this there's no reason it needs to be written this way you know and here i am doing my memo it's supposed to be modeed after this one and i mean you know the formating is there ummm
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you know and like the various subctions are all there but i
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i refuse to write in a way that's unclear i feel like i'm doing everyone a diserce yeah these will be this will be a public document this will be an opinion of the court someone's going to have to read that to figure out what happened that day of october you know november sixth two thousand nine like you know someone's going to
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take a look at that at some point you know and it's just like
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we don't need to muck it up anymore it's just like
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really really frustrating i mean the the memo was shit and the law clerk who gave it to me ummm
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you know
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is a lucky man to have his job because like what i wouldn't do to have his job and like and he gave me and he gives me a crap a crap model to work from and gave me a really hard case to work on and it just like
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and he gives you
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man he's going to get it
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he's really going to get it when my memo
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works out i think
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ummm what are you doing this weekend
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this weekend i am
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okay so tomorrow there's ummm this weird party in west philly at a house called the mittin and ummm there's going to be a lot of really fun things happening there ummm no there's going to be ummm a big cover band show all night there tomorrow and i know that at seven o'clock there's going to be a lady ga cover band which is promising to be very fun ummm i don't know where the mitten is ummm i can actually probably forward you that information
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where's the mittten
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you sound like a briton when you say mitten
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the mittten ummm and on saturday
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on saturday there's this crazy party happening somewhere uhhh
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maybe a little bit far away ummm i think like north yeah ummm and it's a big it's like a big thing there's going to be it's the place that fashions all of the ummm like urban ummm
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like uhhh it's like a key chain that hooks on your belt you know what i'm talking about
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a keychin the house are you talking about chain wallets
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you know what i mean like kind of like it's more like industrial than that kinda no it's literally like a huok thing that you clasp on well it's like i guess it's like this artsy place that fashions all of this urban industrialware or something like bike bags and like stuff like that ummm and they they're like
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