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Subject: iris 4D20TG vs ESV3
Message-ID: <9011131513.AA09946@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov>
Date: 13 Nov 90 13:07:00 GMT
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In regard to the question of whether to get an Iris 4D20TG or Evans &
Sutherland ESV3, I will just add my two bits worth:

We have a 4D20 TG which I like very much. However, when running
standard molecular display software, such as Alwyn Jones TOM, it is not
possible to do real time rotation of large molecules with electron
density maps. I can't really say if this is due to the port to the
iris, or due to the size molecule we typically work with (ca. 5000-10000
atoms). The 4D20 is a nice development platform for graphics and
non-graphics programs for machines in the 4D series. You can also get a
4D25 with a cpu upgrade that makes it equivalent to a 4D35 which should
be quite a nice machine (we have one on order).

All of this, unfortunately has to be taken without reference to the E&S
since we do not have a ESV3 to compare.

I think the take home lesson is that, if at all possible, try to get a
demo of the software you are most interested in using on the exact model
machine you are considering buying.

Michael Gribskov
gribskov@ncifcrf.gov
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From: ucca021@ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: LocalTalk PC cards
Message-ID: <224.9011141941@ucl.ac.uk>
Date: 14 Nov 90 19:41:40 GMT
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Does anyone have experience of using an Apple LocalTalk PC card in a
PC so that it can be connected to a Mac LocalTalk network to use a shared
LaserWriter. Is it's use transparent to the user, so for example
do you print from PC WordPerfect in the usual way just that COM1: or
whatever is redirected to the LocalTalk card? Do you have to load any
special drivers which take up DOS memory? What is AppleShare PC?

Charles Willoughby
Department of Chemistry
University College London
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From: goldman@mbcl.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: Re: (none)
Message-ID: <152.273a881c@mbcl.rutgers.edu>
Date: 9 Nov 90 14:42:36 GMT
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In article <9011081431.AA09236@genbank.bio.net>, BKISTERS@biolan.uni-koeln.de (Brigitte Kisters-Woike) writes:
> does anybody have practical experience with Evans & Sutherland's
> new ESV3 (or ESV3+) workstations?
> I have to chose between this machine and a Silicon Graphics
> Personal Iris 4D20TG.
> What to do??????????????

I think it's a tough call. If you have existing PS390 software that
you want to run (& don't feel like porting it), the decision is quite clear.
ESV all the way: I'm told that the the ESV's PS390 compatibility mode is
very exact (down to running out of memory on a virtual memory machine!).

The display technology is STILL better on the ESV, so your pictures
will still look sharper, especially if you're projecting them in large
auditoria. But still... SGI have a much better softare reputation, and
most of the modern software is being written for them.

Adrian Goldman

Adrian Goldman \| Internet: Goldman@MBCL.Rutgers.Edu
Molecular Biology Computing Laboratory \| Bitnet: Goldman@BioVAX
Waksman Insitute, \| Phone: (908) 932-4864
Rutgers University, \| Fax: (908) 932-5735
Piscataway, NJ 08855 USA \|
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From: ir525@sdcc6.ucsd.edu (ir525)
Newsgroups: bionet.software
Subject: Digitizer SW for Mac
Keywords: sequencing, digitizer, mac, freeware
Message-ID: <14050@sdcc6.ucsd.edu>
Date: 10 Nov 90 00:55:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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Forgive me if this has been hashed out before, but I'm looking for
some free- or share-ware for the Mac (IIsi, in this case) that will
take input from a sonic (SAC-type) digitizer for reading sequencing
gels and will preferably allow at least some rudimentary editing as it
goes. While I'd rather not hack any code, I'm willing to if the source
code is available for a PC.
The only programs of which I'm aware of that will do this at
present are the prohibitively expensive DNASTAR and

Subject: iris 4D20TG vs ESV3

Message-ID: <9011131513.AA09946@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov>

Date: 13 Nov 90 13:07:00 GMT

Sender: kristoff@genbank.bio.net

Lines: 22

In regard to the question of whether to get an Iris 4D20TG or Evans &

Sutherland ESV3, I will just add my two bits worth:

We have a 4D20 TG which I like very much. However, when running

standard molecular display software, such as Alwyn Jones TOM, it is not

possible to do real time rotation of large molecules with electron

density maps. I can't really say if this is due to the port to the

iris, or due to the size molecule we typically work with (ca. 5000-10000

atoms). The 4D20 is a nice development platform for graphics and

non-graphics programs for machines in the 4D series. You can also get a

4D25 with a cpu upgrade that makes it equivalent to a 4D35 which should

be quite a nice machine (we have one on order).

All of this, unfortunately has to be taken without reference to the E&S

since we do not have a ESV3 to compare.

I think the take home lesson is that, if at all possible, try to get a

demo of the software you are most interested in using on the exact model

machine you are considering buying.

Michael Gribskov

gribskov@ncifcrf.gov

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From: ucca021@ucl.ac.uk

Newsgroups: bionet.software

Subject: LocalTalk PC cards

Message-ID: <224.9011141941@ucl.ac.uk>

Date: 14 Nov 90 19:41:40 GMT

Sender: daemon@genbank.bio.net

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Does anyone have experience of using an Apple LocalTalk PC card in a

PC so that it can be connected to a Mac LocalTalk network to use a shared

LaserWriter. Is it's use transparent to the user, so for example

do you print from PC WordPerfect in the usual way just that COM1: or

whatever is redirected to the LocalTalk card? Do you have to load any

special drivers which take up DOS memory? What is AppleShare PC?

Charles Willoughby

Department of Chemistry

University College London

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From: goldman@mbcl.rutgers.edu

Newsgroups: bionet.software

Subject: Re: (none)

Message-ID: <152.273a881c@mbcl.rutgers.edu>

Date: 9 Nov 90 14:42:36 GMT

References: <9011081431.AA09236@genbank.bio.net>

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In article <9011081431.AA09236@genbank.bio.net>, BKISTERS@biolan.uni-koeln.de (Brigitte Kisters-Woike) writes:

> does anybody have practical experience with Evans & Sutherland's

> new ESV3 (or ESV3+) workstations?

> I have to chose between this machine and a Silicon Graphics

> Personal Iris 4D20TG.

> What to do??????????????

I think it's a tough call. If you have existing PS390 software that

you want to run (& don't feel like porting it), the decision is quite clear.

ESV all the way: I'm told that the the ESV's PS390 compatibility mode is

very exact (down to running out of memory on a virtual memory machine!).

The display technology is STILL better on the ESV, so your pictures

will still look sharper, especially if you're projecting them in large

auditoria. But still... SGI have a much better softare reputation, and

most of the modern software is being written for them.

Adrian Goldman

Adrian Goldman | Internet: Goldman@MBCL.Rutgers.Edu

Molecular Biology Computing Laboratory | Bitnet: Goldman@BioVAX

Waksman Insitute, | Phone: (908) 932-4864

Rutgers University, | Fax: (908) 932-5735

Piscataway, NJ 08855 USA |

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From: ir525@sdcc6.ucsd.edu (ir525)

Newsgroups: bionet.software

Subject: Digitizer SW for Mac

Keywords: sequencing, digitizer, mac, freeware

Message-ID: <14050@sdcc6.ucsd.edu>

Date: 10 Nov 90 00:55:47 GMT

Organization: University of California, San Diego

Lines: 19

Forgive me if this has been hashed out before, but I'm looking for

some free- or share-ware for the Mac (IIsi, in this case) that will

take input from a sonic (SAC-type) digitizer for reading sequencing

gels and will preferably allow at least some rudimentary editing as it

goes. While I'd rather not hack any code, I'm willing to if the source

code is available for a PC.

The only programs of which I'm aware of that will do this at

present are the prohibitively expensive DNASTAR and