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"\n How about this description: \"An object that is, at one time, both a\nEuclidean square and a Euclidean circle\"? I hold that no object satisfying\nthis description could exist. The description is inconsistent, and hence\ndescribes an object that could not exist.\n Now, suppose someone pointed to a bicycle, and said, \"That object is,\nat one time, both a Euclidean square and a Euclidean circle.\" This does\nnot mean that the bicycle does not exist, it measn that the description\nwas incorrectly applied.\n \n The atheist says, \"The descriptions of God that I have been presented with\nare contradictory, and hence describe something that cannot exist.\"\n Now, your position (so far as I can gather) is that God exists, but the\ndescriptions atheists have been presented with are simply bad descriptions\nof It.\n This is roughly analogous to someone who has never seen a bicycle, and,\nwhen they ask for a description from people who claim to have seen one,\nare told that it is a \"Euclidean circle-square\". Can they be blamed for\ndoubting rather strongly that this 'bicycle' exists at all?\n\n\n No kidding. :->\n\n Sincerely,\n\n Ray Ingles ingles@engin.umich.edu",
"\n More info please. I'm not well exposed to these ideas.\n\n/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\ \n\nBob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM \n\nThey said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,\nand sank Manhattan out at sea.",
" \n \nNo wonder in the light of that you are a probably a theist who tries\nto pass as an agnostic. I still remember your post about your daughter\nsinging Chrismas Carols and your feelings of it well.",
"\n\n7. Massacre of Jews in WWII: 6.3 million\n8. Massacre of other 'inferior races' in WWII: 10 million\n9. Communist purges: 20-30 million? [Socialism is more or less a religion]\n10. Catholics V Protestants : quite a few I'd imagine\n11. Recent goings on in Bombay/Iodia (sp?) area: ??\n12. Disease introduced to Brazilian * oher S.Am. tribes: x million\n\n\nThe Desert Brat",
"\nJ> YOU BLASHEPHEMERS!!! YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL FOR NOT BELIEVING IN GOD!!!! BE\nJ> PREPARED FOR YOUR ETERNAL DAMNATION!!!\n\nHmm, I've got my MST3K lunch box, my travel scrabble, and a couple of\nkegs of Bass Ale. I'm all set! Let's go everybody! ",
"\n If the emphasis is on the \"in general\", then of course you're\n correct, since you haven't really said anything. If we restrict\n our observations to practiced religions, there are lots of\n examples of god mandated genocide. Just ask the Canaanites. The\n point is that if you believe in a god, and if you believe he has\n ordered you to eliminate an entire race, you will likely make the\n attempt. After all, if it was OK in the past, it could surely be\n OK in the present.\n\n\n/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\ \n\nBob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM \n\nThey said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,\nand sank Manhattan out at sea.",
"\n\nYes, and everyone thinks as you do. No one thinks that he is going to cause\nor be involved in a fatal accident, but the likelihood is surprisingly high.\nJust because you are the man on the firing squad whose gun is shooting\nblanks does not mean that you are less guilty.\n\n\nYou mean that killing is wrong in all but one situtation? And, you should\nnote that that situation will never occur. There are always other options\nthank killing. Why don't you just say that all killing is wrong. This\nis basically what you are saying.\n\n\nAre you attempting to be condescending?\n\n\nBut, most people have found the risk to be acceptable. You are probably\nmuch more likely to die in a plane crash, or even using an electric\nblender, than you are to be executed as an innocent. I personally think\nthat the risk is acceptable, but in an ideal moral system, no such risk\nis acceptable. \"Acceptable\" is the fudge factor necessary in such an\napproximation to the ideal.",
"In <sfnNTrC00WBO43LRUK@andrew.cmu.edu> \"David R. Sacco\" <dsav+@andrew.cmu.edu> \n\n\nYes.\n\nMAC\n--\n****************************************************************\n Michael A. Cobb\n \"...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois\n class to pay for my programs.\" Champaign-Urbana\n -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu",
"\nHow does that saying go: Those who say it can't be done shouldn't interrupt\nthose who are doing it.\n\nJim",
"\nTail-recursive functions in Scheme are at least as efficient as iterative\nloops. Anyone who doesn't program in assembler will have heard of optimizing\ncompilers.\n",
"\n\n\n\nOf course, if you're planning to pull a Rushdie then declaring one's\nleaving the religion is little to be concerned about compared to one's\nother plans.\n\n\nIn Rushdie's case, the one under discussion, one can. It is tragic that\nin _some_ \"Islamic\" countries this is so. There are, however, Islamic\ncountries (whose constitutions contains statements that Islamic law is\nto be incorporated), e.g. Kuwait, where one can freely make such\nstatements without fear.\n\n\n\nThis story has become tiresome. The conditions are clear. If you care to\nmake your point clear then make a chronology and show that he had made\npublic statements about leaving Islam prior to his writing of _TSV_. If\nhe did make such statements then he should have made _that_ clear rather\nthan trying to rejoin Islam or go on talking about his personal\nfeelings.\n\n",
"\n\n\tPlease define \"morally straight\". \n\n\t\n\t\n\tAnd, don't even try saying that \"straight\", as it is used here, \nimplies only hetersexual behavior. [ eg: \"straight\" as in the slang word \nopposite to \"gay\" ]\n\n\n\tThis is alot like \"family values\". Everyone is talking about them, \nbut misteriously, no one knows what they are.\n---\n\n \"One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that \n say \"Mom\", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more \n virile men.\"\n\n Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu )\n April 4, 1993",
"\nI don't feel that I'm preaching. I'm just trying to answer people's \nquestions and talking about my religion, my beliefs.\nWhen it comes to what I post, I don't do it with the intent of converting \nanyone. I don't expect for the atheists in this newsgroup to take what I \nsay with a grain of salt if they so wish.\nI just state what I beleve, they ask me how I believeit and why and we all \ngo on. \nIf that's preaching, then I'm soory and I'll get off the soapbox.",
"\nHi Adda,\n\nMost Bible scholars agree that there was one copy of each book at a certain\ntime -- the time when the author wrote it. Unfortunately, like all works\nfrom this time period and earlier, all that exists today are copies. \n\n\nThere are parts of books, scraps really, that date from around the\nmid second century (A.D. 130+). There are some complete books, letters,\netc. from the middle third century. The first complete collection of\nthe New Testament dates from the early 4th century (A.D. 325). Throughout\nthis period are writings of various early church fathers/leaders who\nquoted various scriptures in their writings.\n\n\nIf you mean that someone discovered thousands of \"Bibles\" which were all\nperfect copies dating from the last part of the 1st century...No!\n\nIf you mean that there are thousands of early manuscripts (within the\ndates given above, but not letter perfect) and that the most probable\ntext can be reconstructed from these documents and that the earliest\noriginal autographs (now lost) probably were written starting sometime\nshortly after A.D. 50, then yes.\n\n\nFrom the original authors. We call them Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter,\nPaul, James, and one other not identified.\n\n\nAs long as you make it.\n\n\nRegards,",
"\n\nReally>`?\n\n\nNo, gravity is an inherent system. You don't need any excess information\nother than observations to determine anything. It is possible to objectively\ndetermine someone's guilt or innocence within an non-inherent system.\nI agree that morality is not necessarily inherent (unless you state that\neverything we do has an evolutionary basis), but this does not mean that\nit cannot be objective in theory.\n\n\nPerhaps it can be objective, but not inherent. Anyway, as I noted before,\nthe practices related to mating rituals, etc. among the animals are likely\nthe only ones to be considered \"immoral\" under the previous \"definitions\"\nof the natural law. Therefore, some revisions are in order, since the\nclass of activities surrounding mating seem to pose some general problems.\n\n\nIt seens that you are objecting to the notion of an objective system\nbecause perhaps you think that it would imply inherence, which would\nnecessitate some sort of grand design?\n\n\nI think I have. It is a code of ethics which basically defines undesired\nbehaviors, etc. An immoral behavior could be unwanted, unproductive,\nor destructive, etc., depending on the goal of the system (that is,\nimmoral to what end?).",
"\nGrumblegrumble... \n\n\nunfortunately the logic falls apart quick: all-perfect > insulted or\nthreatened by the actions of a lesser creature > actually by offspring >\n???????????????????\n\nHow/why shuold any all-powerful all-perfect feel either proud or offended?\nAnything capable of being aware of the relationship of every aspect of every \nparticle in the universe during every moment of time simultaneously should\nbe able to understand the cause of every action of every 'cell globule' on\neach tniy planet...\n\n\n\"All-powerful, Owner Of Everything in the Universe Makes Great Sacrifices\"\nmakes a great headline but it doesn't make any sense. What did he\nsacrifice? Where did it go that he couldn't get it back? If he gave\nsomething up, who'd he give it up to?\n\n-chris",
"This is fascinating. Atheists argue for abortion, defend homosexuality\nas a means of population control, insist that the only values are\nbiological and condemn war and capital punishment. According to\nBenedikt, if something is contardictory, it cannot exist, which in\nthis case means atheists I suppose.\nI would like to understand how an atheist can object to war (an\nexcellent means of controlling population growth), or to capital\npunishment, I'm sorry but the logic escapes me.\nAnd why just capital punishment, what is being questioned here, the\npropriety of killing or of punishment? What is the basis of the\necomplaint?",
"[most of post deleted]\nThere is an easy way out....\nPost the flyers on the stall doors, but add at the bottom, in nice large\ncapitals,\n\n EMERGENCY TOILET PAPER\n\n:)\n",
"\n\n\n\n\n\n\nYeah, right.\n\n\n\n\n\nSo, let's see. If some guy writes a piece with a title that implies\nsomething is the case then it must be so, is that it?\n\n\nThis supports nothing. I have no reason to believe that this is \npiece is anything other than another anti-Islamic slander job.\nI have no respect for titles, only for real content. I can look\nup this article if I want, true. But I can tell you BCCI was _not_\nan Islamic bank. Seeing as I'm spending my time responding to\npropaganda (in responding to this little sub-thread) I really\ndon't feel a deep need to do more than make statements to the\neffect that the propaganda is false. If someone wants to discuss\nthe issue more seriously then I'd be glad to have a real discussion,\nproviding references, etc.\n",
"To all a.a readers:\n I have been asked be several of you to post a list of the SDA Church's \n27 Fundamental beliefs. I warn you now, it's a long list. However, I'll \npost it on Sunday. Sabbath is coming up soon so I won't be reading on \nSaturday. And I don't have time to do it now.\n I would GREATLY appreciate it if you would keep me in touch with what's \ngoing on.\n I hope all of you have a reastful and relaxing weekend. I hope it's \nthe best one so far!!",
"\n+Last night, while watching the 2a.m. rebroadcast of Jerry Springer (a\n+talk show) I heard this Jewel of a thought from a 12 year old racist. \n+The focus of this show was on these kids and their hatred for the Jewish\n+religion, and why. \n\n[some stuff deleted]\n\n+Interesting (and scary) no? They went on to say how the Jews had \n+killed their god, and how in the end of time that all the races would\n+go to their homelands (of course, they would remain in America, which\n+is New Jeruselem, as it says in Gen 2??? (what another kid said) but\n+the rest of the races would go home) and then the great battle or plague\n+or whatever Revel. says would happen, and the jews would be killed.\n+\n+The most interesting thing about this was that my roomate is Catholic, \n+and had the KJV of the Bible on his desk. He immediatly opened it up\n+and began to search for the quoted passages (Gen, Rev, and John) to \n+look for himself, and couldn't find what they said they saw. I don't\n+know\n\nI saw this show a while back, and when I heard these kids\nquote the Bible to justify their racist claims, I looked up\nthat quote about Jesus hating Jews (since Jesus himself was a\nJew, my curiousity had been piqued by such a claim).\nThe jist of the passage (and I am sorry but I can't recall\nwhich passage it was exactly) was that Jesus was condemning\nthe Pharisees for being corrupt.\nOf course, the Pharisees were Jewish too, but it wasn't Jews\nas a whole that Jesus was condemning, just the powers that be.\n",
"\n\n\nSure, but Robert \"Koresh-Fetesh\" (sic) Knowles seems good, too. :) \n\nThough I wasn't there, at least I can rely on you now to keep me posted on what\nwhat he's doing.\n\nHave you any other fetishes besides those for beef jerky and David Koresh? \n--\nBake Timmons, III",
"\nThere are definitely quite a few horrible deaths as the result of both\natheists AND theists. I'm sure Bobby can list quite a few for the atheist\nside but fails to recognize that the theists are equally proficient at\ngenocide. Perhaps, since I'm a bit weak on history, somone here would like\nto give a list of wars caused/led by theists? I can think of a few (Hitler\nclaimed to be a Christian for example) but a more complete list would\nprobably be more effective in showing Bobby just how absurd his statement\nis.\n\n\nOn a side note, I notice you always sign your posts \"Peace\". Perhaps you\nshould take your own advice and leave the atheists in peace with their\nbeliefs?\n\n\nNanci",
"\n: Logic alert - argument from incredulity. Just because it is hard for you \n: to believe this doesn't mean that it isn't true. Liars can be very pursuasive\n: just look at Koresh that you yourself cite.\n\nThis is whole basis of a great many here rejecting the Christian\naccount of things. In the words of St. Madalyn Murrey-O'Hair, \"Face it\nfolks, it's just silly ...\". Why is it okay to disbelieve because of\nyour incredulity if you admit that it's a fallacy?",
"\n\nIf a person gives a well-balanced reasoned argument, Tammy, then all are\nhappy to discuss it with him. If he makes astounding claims, which are not\nbacked up with any evidence then he must be expected to substantiate them.\nIf the original author had said that everything was his own opinion and not\nsupportable then people would have simply ignored him. He did not. He\nclaimed many things and his logic was seriously flawed. His argument was for\nchristianity in an effort to try to convince atheists like myself to believe\nhim and his message. I for one will not take things as read. If you told me\nthat pink fluffy elephants did the dance of the sugar plum fairy on the dark\nside of Jupiter then I would demand evidence!\n\n\nAdda\n\n",
"\n[my previous posting deleted]\n\n\nThe poster casually trashed two thousand years of Jewish history, and \nKen replied that there had previously been people like him in Germany.\n\nThat's right. There have been. There have also been people who\nwere formally Nazis. But the Nazi party would have gone nowhere\nwithout the active and tacit support of the ordinary man in the\nstreet who behaved as though casual anti-semitism was perfectly\nacceptable.\n\nNow what exactly don't you understand about what I wrote, and why\ndon't you see what it has to do with the matter at hand?",
"..stuff deleted...\n...more stuff deleted...\n\nHmm, USENET got it's collective hooks into me around 1987 or so right after I\nswitched to engineering. I'd say I started reading alt.atheism around 1988-89.\nI've probably not posted more than 50 messages in the time since then though.\nI'll never understand how people can find the time to write so much. I\ncan barely keep up as it is.\n",
" \n]The \"corrupted over and over\" theory is pretty weak. Comparison of the\n]current hebrew text with old versions and translations shows that the text\n]has in fact changed very little over a space of some two millennia. This\n]shouldn't be all that suprising; people who believe in a text in this manner\n]are likely to makes some pains to make good copies.\n \nTell it to King James, mate.\n \n]C. Wingate + \"The peace of God, it is no peace,\n] + but strife closed in the sod.\n]mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing:\n]tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God.\"\n ",
"\n\n\tCannot? Try, will not.\n\n---\n\n \"One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that \n say \"Mom\", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more \n virile men.\"\n\n Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu )\n April 4, 1993",
"I wonder how many atheists out there care to speculate on the face of the world\nif atheists were the majority rather than the minority group of the population. \nIt is rather a ridiculous question in some ways, I know, but my newsreader is\ndown so I am not getting any new postings for a bit, so I figure I might as\nwell post something new myself.\n\nAlso, how many atheists out there would actually take the stance and accor a\nhigher value to their way of thinking over the theistic way of thinking. The\ntypical selfish argument would be that both lines of thinking evolved from the\nsame inherent motivation, so one is not, intrinsically, different from the\nother, qualitatively. But then again a measuring stick must be drawn\nsomewhere, and if we cannot assign value to a system of beliefs at its core,\nthan the only other alternative is to apply it to its periphery; ie, how it\nexpresses its own selfishness.\n\nIdle thoughts...\n\n\nAdam",
"\n: \tNice cop out bill.\n\nI'm sure you're right, but I have no idea to what you refer. Would you\nmind explaining how I copped out?"
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"Mike Schmidt's 500th: Not only a milestone, but also a 9th inning game-\nwinner.\n -John",
"I was wondering if anyone had any kind of Fenway Park gif.\nI would appreciate it if someone could send me one.\nThanks in advance.",
"There's nothing wrong with a red neck. Why, some of us hicks even\nlisten to cultured music and such, can you say the same? Aside from\nthat, you shouldn't try to shit on this guy by insulting where YOU\nthink he comes from. Where I'm from, we milk cows, drive trucks, and\nyes, even like baseball. So screw anyone that doesn't like it.\n\nOh yeah, learn the difference between to and too city-boy! (see below)\n\n\t-thom\n\t unnumbered wanna-be member of the Bob Knepper Fan Club (BKFC)",
"# Mr. Cramer, I am still waiting for your response to my requests regarding\n# the information you claim to have. I respectfully request that you either\n# provide the information or withdraw the various assertions you make below.\n# \n# Item number 1: in a previous posting, you stated that you had found\n# \"overwhelming support for child molestation\" in soc.motss:\n# \n# You have (finally) responded to this one. I have read your complete file\n# of postings to soc.motss and to put it bluntly, it does not support your\n# assertion. In short, this claim is bogus. Thank you for confirming this.\n\nAll those postings in defense of adults having sex with children, and\nyou just choose to claim that they don't say anything of the sort.\nThere's no point in discussing this any further, then. You are clearly\na liar, without morals of any sort, prepared to justify child molestation.",
"I have and use xrecplay for X11R5. Does one exist for X11R4???\n\nI have tried to contact one of the developers, Eric Swildens, at\ness@hal.com but he is no longer there and has no forwarding email\naddress. Archie is no help either.\n\nAny help would be appreciated. Thanks,",
"You're right about the signal being strong. I live in West Philadelphia,\nand I can get FAN almost perfectly. It's a sports fans dream (especially\nif that person is from NY and wants to hear about his teams while he's\naway at school). As for Lupica & Berman, it's turned out to be Lupica,\nthen Berman. Neither of them wanted to work a full four hour show, so Ed\nColeman and Dave Sims' old four-hour slot was broken down into two\nseperate two-hour show - Lupica from 10-12, and Berman from 12-2. And they\nboth happen to suck in comparison to Eddie and Dave. COME BACK, GUYS!\n\n\nLike I said, I live in Philly, so I can hear FAN and/or WIP whenever I\nwant. But I cannot stand WIP. And it isn't because I loathe the Philly\nsports teams - the Phillies are my favorite NL team (Yanks are favorite\nAL), and the Eagles aren't too bad either. There are two big problems:\n\n\t1)Total emphasis on the home teams, especially the Eagles. Unlike\n\t the FAN hosts, who can at least answer a question about an\n\t out-of-town team if a caller asks, the WIP hosts seem\n \t to have no clue about any team that doesn't play on\n\t Broad Street. Also, FANs periodic sports updates (every 20\n\t minutes) gives sports news and scores from around the\n\t country. It's very rare to hear an out-of-town score\n\t being reported on WIP.\n\n\t2)The hosts. With the exception of Jody MacDonald, who I miss\n\t from his days at FAN, none of the hosts really seems to have\n\t both a broad knowledge of the sport or a good on-air presence.\n\t The worst is Gary Cobb, who seems to have been hired solely\n\t on the basis that he used to play for the Eagles.\n\nAnyway, that's my two cents on the whole FAN vs WIP battle.",
"a\nfollow-on\n\nGlenn,\n\nThanks for posting that. I was surprised to notice, however, that one\nquestion I might have expected to be asked was not: \"Are all forms of\nstrong encryption other than the Clipper to be made illegal?\" Speaking\nof which, is anyone aware of whether that question *has* been asked of\nany knowledgeable or official spokesperson for the government? I have\nnot yet seen it mentioned in any of a dozen places it might have been\nreported, but I could have easily missed it.",
"On Sat, 17 Apr 1993 20:42:58 GMT, Greg Hennessy observed:\n: #Tells you something about the fascist politics being practiced ....\n\n: Ah, ending discrimination is now fascism. \n\nIs that what they called it when Truman forced integration of the\narmed forces, despite the opposition of Congress and most of the\nAmerican public at that time?\n\n--\nMichael D. Adams (starowl@a2i.rahul.net) Enterprise, Alabama",
"For those who are interested in Ray Traced pictures, there is a nice example\non alt.binaries.pictures.misc. The file is called Poolball.gif. It shows a\npooltable with... YES! ... poolballs!\nResolution: 1024x768, colours: 256 (only).\nThe TGA (24 bit) version is also available, but a bit big (2.4Mb) to post.\nThe picture is created with POV-ray.\n\n\n\n\nEnjoy!\n\n\n_Gerco_\n__cgschot@cs.ruu.nl__",
"Uh oh, Michael; you typed \"hell\" and capitalized it to boot! Now\nPeter Nyikos will explain that you're not a real Christian!\n\n\n\n\nBZZT! Sorry Michael--the Nyikos Inquisition pointed out that I was\nhell-bound after one mildly scurrilous pun on \"revealing oneself.\"\nAdmitting to masturbation--well, I'm just shocked!",
"Nova Mob |Last Days of Pompeii|$8 ppd.\nOverwhelming Colorfast |Overwhelming Colorfast|$8 ppd.\nTeenage Fanclub |Bandwagonesque|$9 ppd.\nTin Machine |Tin Machine II|$9 ppd.\nVarious |Teriyaki Asthma I-V Comp.|$9.50 ppd.\n\nRob",
"Your doubts are unsubstantiated, have some faith in us..\n\n\n\n\nYes I agree.. Lets say I call my self a XXX. I go and shoot your family \nin cold blood. Does that mean that XXX is responsible? No. I am.\nPeople tend to associate others with color/creed/etc.. it is a form of racism.",
"All they said on the radio that he developed stiffness in the shoulder\nafter throwing a curveball that didn't loosen. Because of the cold\nnight in Denver they decided to remove him from the game rather than\nlet him pitch. He is expected to pitch his next turn in the rotation\n(expected to be April 20, at Shea vs the Giants).",
"Here's one I remember: (sort of)\nYogi's asleep in a hotel room late at night and gets a call from someone.\nAfter he answers the phone the person at the other end asks if he woke Yogi\nup. Yogi answered, \"No, the phone did.\"",
"Hi folks!\t\t\n\nRecently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only\t\none man's opinion.",
"The last state church was in Massachusetts. Sam Adams, the patriot-brewmaster,\nduring his tenure as governor after the Revolutionary War got it passed.\nI believe it was eliminated around 1820.",
"# #However, monogamous homosexual male sex is so rare that for practical\n# #purposes, homosexuality spreads AIDS.\n# #-- \n# #Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!\n# #Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.\n\n# You fucking homophobic moron!!!!!!!!! What about IV drug use? What about \n# tainted blood? What about multi-sexual partners? If you knew anything\n\nWhat about them? Those also spread AIDS. Where did I say anything\ndifferent? Go back and read what I wrote. The statement \"homosexuality\nspreads AIDS\" is not made false by the fact that there are other\nmethods of spreading it as well.\n\n# about what you are talking about, you would be dangerous. As it is right now,\n# you are a persistent boil on the skin of humanity that needs to be lanced.\n# \n# Joe Cipale\n\nTypical homosexual response.",
"Somebody in comp.multimedia was also having trouble using a Spigot in his\nLC III. It turned out he needed the latest version of ScreenPlay (1.1.1),\nwhich fixed things.",
"Chances are that this has been discussed to death already, and\nif so could someone who has kept the discussion mail me or direct me \nto an archive site. Basically,\nI am just wondering if Slick 50 really does all it says that it does.\nAnd also, is there any data to support the claim. Thanks for any info.",
"You think that you all have it bad....here at good ol' Southwest Missouri\nState U., we have 2 parties running for student body president. There's the\ntoken sorority/fraternity faces, and then there's the president and vice\npresident of NORML. They campaigned by handing out condoms and listing\ntheir qualifications as,\"I listen really well.\" It makes me sick to have\na party established on many of the things that are ruining this country like\nthey are. I think I'll run next year.:(",
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"Fine, but one of the points of this entire discussion is that \"we\"\n(conservative, reformed christians - this could start an argument...\nBut isn't this idea that homosexuality is ok fairly \"new\" [this\ncentury] ? Is there any support for this being a viable viewpoint\nbefore this century? I don't know.) don't believe that homosexuality\nis \"acceptable to Him\". So your scripture quotation doesn't work for\n\"us\".",
"[More stuff deleted]\n\nThis seems to be a pretty arogant definition of belief. My beliefs\nare those things which I find to be true based on my experience of the\nworld. This experience includes study of things that I may not have\nexperienced directly. But even then, I can only understand the\nstudies to the extent to which I can relate what I study back to what\nI have experienced.\n\nWhich means that by beliefs about God are directly related to my\nexperience of God. Having experienced God, I try to make sense of\nthat experience. I study religion and read the Bible. I find things\nthat echo what I have already experienced. Out of this I build my\nbeliefs. I also find things that don't match my experience. That\ndoesn't make them false. They just don't match my experience. Maybe\nI will understand that stuff later. I don't know. Maybe all of my\nbeliefs are wrong. I can change my beliefs.\n\nIf someone else has beliefs that are different from mine, so what.\nNeither of us are necessarily wrong. Someone else is making sense out\nof a different set of experiences. Even though we have different\nexplanations and beliefs, if we talk we might even discover that the\nunderlying experiences are similar.\n\nSome people approach religion as a truth that can only exist in one\nform, and usually has a single revelation. The more dogmatic and\ninflexible the belief system, the more arrogant it will appear to an\noutsider. There is another approach possible, however. God is a\nmystery. I am trying to solve the mystery, so I look at the evidence\navailable to me. I try to arrive at the best understanding that I can\nbased on the evidence. New evidence may cause me to change my\nunderstanding. When I encounter someone with a different belief than\nmy own, it isn't a threat, it is an opportunity to perhaps discover\nsomething new about this mystery I can never fully comprehend.\n\nPeace\nWill Taber\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------",
"And then cjkuo@symantec.com (Jimmy Kuo) quoth:\n\nWell, either way, the Reds have to play a man down for 3 days.",
"Yep. Both were started (nominally) simultaneously. Splitsville from the\nstart (ie, if my sources are correct, one guy was involved in the start of\nboth groups. true?)\n\n tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil",
"For Sale:\n\nVCR - Samsung VR2610 basic 2 head machine. It has a problem loading the tape,\notherwise it plays and records just fine, remote is missing. $25 or make offer.\n\nCassette deck - Pioneer CT-F900, three head, servo control, dolby. This was\nthe top of the line (or close to it) several years ago. The rewind doesn't\nwork well. All else is fine. Service & owners manual included. $45 or offer.\n\nGenerator - 120 VAC 2000-2500 watt, has a voltmeter w/duplex outlet, a 5 hp\nengine should drive it to full output. Manufactered by Master Mechanic in\nBurlington Wisconsin. $50 or make an offer\n\nEICO Model 625 tube tester. $20 or make offer\n\nLawn spreader - Scott \"precision flow\" model PF-1 drop type, excellent\ncondition, ideal for a smaller yard. $20 or make offer.",
"If we can't avoid throwing out gut-reactions to what we see as \"extremist\"\nviews here in the newsgroup, we're certainly not going to be any better at\nit in the real world. Hey, it easy here. After reading the offending post, \nwe can step back, take some deep breathing exercises, have a gallon of\nice cream (or sex, whichever calmsus), and reply in something other\nthan the usual king-of-the-hill mentality. \n\nPerhaps, starting here with an immediate \"accusation\" is not a particularly\ngood way to generate open responses? How about explaining what you see as\nbeing Israel's *real worries* and how they *need* to be addressed? Since\nthe \"other side\" sees Israel's \"gestures\" in a completely different light\nthan you do, perhaps \"they\" also have *real worries*. From their point\nof view, what are they? How can those worries be addressed? \n\nIt is certainly much harder to \"reach compromise\" (or, even sit down\nand talk with...) an other side which is fractured into several\ndifferent ideologies, each with its own set of \"demands\". While it is\nup to \"them\" to generate unity on their side, is there anything that\nIsrael can do (without sacrificing its security, its position) to\nencourage that unification along lines that Israel prefers?",
"Actually, an apostle is someone who is sent. If you will, mailmen could\nbe called apostles in that sense. However, with Jesus, they were\ndesignated and were given power. Remember that there were many\nthousands of people who witnessed what Jesus did. That didn't make them\napostles, though.",
"Very well put. And, in the case of someone who calls himself a Christian\nbrother yet continues in his sin (and claims that his sin is not a sin at \nall, but perfectly acceptable), what should be done? Should Christians \njust ignore a sinful lifestyle in order to not offend the person? By \nreaffirming that the lifestyle is sinful according to the Bible, are \nthey using \"a bullwhip to drive people from Jesus\"? \n\nFrankly, I find the occurance of a homosexual Christian attempting to \npass himself off as a 'straight' Christian in order to have other \nChristians accept his chastisement better a *lot* more serious than \npeople reaffirming that the Bible teaches homosexuality is a sin.",
"Well, I seem to have struck an interesting discussion off. Given that I\nam not an astrophysicist or nuclear physicist, i'll have to boil it\ndown a bit.\n\n1) ALl the data on bursts to date, shows a smooth random distribution.\n\n2) that means they aren't concentrated in galactic cores, our or someone\nelses.\n\n3) If the distribution is smooth, we are either seeing some ENORMOUSLY\nlarge phenomena scattered at the edge of the universe said phenomena\nbeing subject to debate almost as vioent as the phenomena\n\tOR\nwe are seeing some phenomena out at like the Oort cloud, but then it needs\nsome potent little energy source, that isn't detectable by any other\ncurrent methods.\n\n4) we know it's not real close, like slightly extra solar, because\nwe have no parallax measurements on the bursts.\n\n5) the bursts seem to bright to be something like black hole quanta or\nsuper string impacts or something like that.\n\nSo everyone is watching the data and arguing like mad in the meanwhile.\n\nwhat i am wondering, is this in people's opinion, A NEW Physics problem.\n\nEinstein got well known for solvingthe photoelectric effect. \n\nCopernicus, started looking at irregularities in planetary motion.\n\nIs this a big enough problem, to create a new area of physics?\njust a little speculative thinking folks.",
"Wrong.\n\n\nQuite true. And evolution made \"decided\" that homosexuality had a place,\notherwise it would have disappeared quite quickly. There are very few\nanimals which do not exhibit homosexual behavior.\nIt has been here before humans existed, and will be here after the\nhuman race has gone.\n\n\nQuite true. 2000 years of religious idiocy have not changed the nature\nof man. You tried to rid yourselves of us for 2000 years and failed.",
"Or, how about the Clint Eastwood line in \"Pink Cadillac\" -\n \"I believe in gun control. If there's a gun around, I wanna be\n the one controlling it.\"",
"Just some thoughts:\n\nI don't usually like to post simply to make fun of a player,\nbut this time I couldn't resist. During the Pens-Devils game\nlast night, second period, I think Kevin Stevens was in the\npenalty box, Nicholls punched Kjell Samuellson in the face,\nthen raised his stick like a two handed sword to defend\nhimself! All Kjell could do, at 8'7\" and 355 pounds, was laugh!\n\nAnd speaking of Swedish Penguins defensemen, Ulf is getting a\nlittle out of hand lately. His cheap shots are getting more\nfrequent and more violent. As everybody in the Meadowlands\nexcept for the officials could see last night, he rammed the\nbutt of his stick down one of the Devil's throat. I've always\nsupported the argument \"he does his job by being irritating,\"\nbut he's starting to push it over the edge IMHO. Of course,\nHolik's chop to Barrasso's neck wasn't too sportsmanlike either.\nIt seems that he was following the \"The only way to beat the\nPenguins is to injure them\" philosophy.\n\nAs my Modern Drama professor pointed out to me the other day,\nJagr was stoned pretty well Tuesday night, and last night as\nwell, although the 30 seconds he danced around the Devils end\nwas pretty exciting.",
"...\n\nPlease. Have a care with Phil. We liked him a lot in Pittsburgh. He\ndidn't score a lot if you look at his stats last year but he worked his\nbutt off. It was his speed that created opportunities in the offensive\nzone that allowed the Pens to utilize his potential. I haven't been\npaying attention to him this year so I can't say I know what you're \nobjecting to. He has been out with injuries though, hasn't he? And\nif the offense isn't there, there's not much his speed will do for you.\nLike I said, he created opportunities but he didn't score much. I thought\nthe money offered from the Rangers was a little high, and so did the Pens,\nI guess.\n\nJoseph Stiehm\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n...\n\nPlease. Have a care with Phil. We liked him a lot in Pittsburgh. He\ndidn't score a lot if you look at his stats last year but he worked his\nbutt off. It was his speed that created opportunities in the offensive\nzone that allowed the Pens to utilize his potential. I haven't been\npaying attention to him this year so I can't say I know what you're \nobjecting to. He has been out with injuries though, hasn't he? And\nif the offense isn't there, there's not much his speed will do for you.\nLike I said, he created opportunities but he didn't score much. I thought\nthe money offered from the Rangers was a little high, and so did the Pens,\nI guess.",
"[ Article crossposted from comp.windows.ms ]\n[ Author was Kevin Routh ]\n[ Posted on 19 Apr 1993 12:35:55 GMT ]\n\nFor your information:\n\nI hooked up my ImageWriter I to my COM1 serial port and used the C-Itoh\n8510 driver in Windows 3.1. The cable I am using is a straight-thru\ncable connected to a Null Modem Adapter I got at Radio Shack (catalog\n#26-1496a) for $4.95. It seems to work fine with both DOS and Windows.\nI used the following command in DOS\n\n\tC:\\DOS\\mode COM1:9600,n,8,1,p\n\nand set up the port the same way in the Windows Ports setup.\n\nthe Null Modem connections are as follows:\n\n\t1\tto\t1\n\t2\tto\t3\n\t3\tto\t2\n\t4\tto\t5\n\t5\tto\t4\n\t6+8\tto\t20\n\t20\tto\t6+8\n\t7\tto\t7\n\nI printed from several applications and all seems OK. \n\n-- \nKevin C. Routh Internet: krouth@slee01.srl.ford.com\nFord Electronics IBMmail (PROFS): USFMCTMF\nELD IC Engineering\n17000 Rotunda Drive, B-121 Voice mail: (313) 337-5136\nDearborn, MI 48121-6010 Facsimile: (313) 248-6244\n\n\n\n--\nKevin C. Routh Internet: krouth@slee01.srl.ford.com\nFord Electronics IBMmail (PROFS): USFMCTMF\nELD IC Engineering\n17000 Rotunda Drive, B-121 Voice mail: (313) 337-5136\nDearborn, MI 48121-6010 Facsimile: (313) 248-6244",
": >But if entertainment (company) sell computer programs saying they are virus \n: >safe. Doesn`t they have burden of proof that viruses don`t exist in their \n: >floppies ?\n\n: I don't think so. The assumption is there. If it turns out that\n: their software has a virus, then it is up to you to prove that fact\n: to a court to get any damages. You are theoretically suppossed to \n: be able to get damages for that, but you have to give some evidence\n: that the virus came from that software. But since the computer\n: company is the defendent, they are uninvolved until proven guilty.\n\nAll right. I'm not and won't be lawyer. What about doctors?\nI going to fly aeroplane (or drive car). Doctors have to look for different\nkind of illnesses in me before I get permission to fly an aeroplane.\nThey have burden of proof that \"harmful illnesses don't exist in me\",\ndo they ?\n\n(I'm just questioning my belief that believers have the burden of proof.)\n\n: Please, not Pascal! NOOOOO!! ;)\nOh! Are you those bug-generator C-programmers ? :-)\nTurbo Pascal is the BEST and FASTEST for edit-run-edit-run cycles !\n----------------------- ktikkane@phoenix.oulu.fi -------------------\n Kari Tikkanen ! . . -#- ! b ! begin",
"How about Jews who were expelled from their homelands in Iraq, Syria,\nJordan, Algeria, etc.? Don't they deserve justice, too?\n\n\nWhy is your criticism ALWAYS directed against Israel, but never\nagainst the Arab states, even when they are so much more guilty of the\naccusations you make? Is it because you now call yourself a\nPalestinean? \n\n\nThis is why the \"land-for-peace\" formula is so foolish. Land-for-land\nor peace-for-peace seems much more just, except that it would cost the\nArabs something and so is not under consideration. \n\nLet's not forget that about half of Israel's population are refugees\nfrom Arab countries. Somehow, THEIR land now being occupied by Arab\nstates and THEIR homes now being lived-in by Arab people are not\nincluded in any negotiations. Is this your prescription for peace? \n\n\nAgain, you've somehow managed to overlook the fact that the Arab\nstates are much more restrictive on these points. In fact, the\nofficially Judenrein policies of almost all of the Arab states makes\nthem resemble Nazi Germany chillingly closely.\n\n\nThere are many states in which Christians can live happily, many which\nhave official religions and Christian majorities and Christian-based\nlaws. There are some 2 dozen Arab and Islamic states. There is only\n1 (one) Jewish state. Do you have a problem with this? Is this one\nJewish state too many? There are others who might agree with you, you\nknow. \n\n\nHave you just arrived on tpm recently??? Again, the supporters of the\nArab and Islamic camps are frequently and massively guilty of\n\"emotional, infantile outbursts\" which have weakened their positions\ndramatically. Somehow, your criticisms are very one-sided and\nsimple-minded. \n\nP.S. How's the Fund coming along?",
"And the initiative for actual implementation. Clinton is not just an\ninnocent bystander here - They didn't just slap his name on it without\nconsulting him. What exactly is his extensive history of individual\nrights advocacy that people are assuming he really has nothing to do\nwith this? He just went back on his pledge to cut the espionage\nbudget, and is now asking for more money than even Bush wanted.",
"I don't know if it's as much an issue of their ablility to handle the\npower as it is the power they lose (in the torque converter, etc).\n\nHowever, if you encounter a '93 Formula with 5.7L & 6-Speed Manual,\nYou'll be SOL, I'm afraid. ;) BTW, I know of what I speak as a former\nowner of a 5.7L Auto IROC (1989) and current owner of the\naforementioned car... \n \nChris S. \n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nChris Silvester | \"Any man capable of getting himself elected President\nchriss@sam.amgen.com | should by no means be allowed to do the job\"\nchriss@netcom.com | - Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy",
"As quoted from <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:\n\n\nKind of sounds like Plessy v. Ferguson, huh? Of course as in that case,\nthings change, huh?\n\nNo, if your little fantasy comes to pass, the country will have gone\nTOWARD the KKK. You're of course being a little disengenuous. Violent\nsolutions are never passe FOR THE GOVERNMENT and CRIMINALS (who frequently)\ncannot be distinguished).\n\n\"Avoid situations which encourage criminals\"? You mean don't be a woman?\nDon't be Black? Don't be gay? I'm quite certain that having a surfeit of\nunarmed victims will discourage your beloved KKK from engaging in \"violent\nsolutions\"....",
"horizontally opposed 4.\nor 'boxer'\ngreat idea, actually..\nsmooth running; low center of gravity..\nalso used in some honda gullwings, corvairs, porsches (others?)\n...",
"Okay all my friends are bitching at me that the map I made in Appsoft Draw\ncan't be displayed in \"xv\"... I checked... It's true, at least with version\n1.0. My readers on the NeXT have very little trouble on it (Preview messes\nup the .eps, but does fine with the TIFF and ImageViewer0.9a behaves with\nflying colors except it doesn't convert worth *&^^% ;-) )\n\n Please is there any way I can convert this .drw from Appsoft 1.0 on the NeXT\nto something more reasonable like .gif? I have access to a sun4 and NeXTstep\n3.0 systems. any good reliable conversion programs would be helpful... please\nemail, I'll post responses if anyone wants me to... please email that to.\n\nYes I used alphachannel... (god i could choke steve jobs right now ;-) )\n\nYes i know how to archie, but tell me what to archie for ;-)\n\nAlso is there a way to convert to .ps plain format? ImageViiewer0.9 turns\nout nothing recognizable....\n\n terrychay\n\n---\nsmall editorial\n\n-rw-r--r-- 1 tychay 2908404 Apr 18 08:03 Undernet.tiff\n-rw-r--r-- 1 tychay 73525 Apr 18 08:03 Undernet.tiff.Z",
"My online Bible is on a CD, but I don't own a CD-ROM system for the\ntime being, so I can't search for the famous cite where Jesus explicitly\nstates that he didn't want to break existing (Jewish) laws. In other\nwords technically speaking Christians should use Saturday and not Sunday\nas their holy day, if they want to conform to the teachings of Jesus.\n\nCheers,\nKent",
"I wouldn't worry too much about it, though. We are starting to find\nout how politically impotent homosexuals really are. The Colorado\nboycott has fizzled, Slick Willie was effectively prevented from\nimplementing his military policy wrt homosexuals by members of his\n_OWN_ party, this new study casts a large shadow of doubt on their\nclaims of large numbers, and coming this Saturday they are going to\nwind up with _TREMENDOUS_ egg on their face when, I submit, no more\nthan perhaps 35,000 queers will show up in Washington while they are\npromising crowds in the millions. And most of the ones who will be\nthere will look like ACT-UP and Queer Nation, not the guy working in\nthe next cubicle. As if that's really going to play in middle\nAmerica.\n\nPretty soon they will find themselves retreating back into the closet\nwhere they belong.",
"Pardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference\nbetween holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e.\nregardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an\nabsolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance?\n\n They sound like one and the same to me.\n\n And nearly every time I meet a christian (or for that matter, any\nother theist) who tries to convert me, I find this proven over and over\nagain.\n\n I see no wisdom whatsoever in your words\n\n\n Unfaithfully yours,\n\n Pixie\n\n\n p.s. If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow\nit blindly? \n\n Do the words \"Question Authority\" mean anything to you?",
"however, the word \"pa^ques\" in french _is_ the word for easter. ask\nany francophone, whether from quebec or from paris. besides, haven't\nyou heard of the phrase \"the paschal lamb\" (meaning jesus)?\n\nsorry to nitpick on the more trivial part of this thread....",
"^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\nO.K., its my turn:\n\n DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA ?!\n\nI am sick and tired of this 'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA' sentance attributed\nto Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can't be proven as part of their\nplan !\n\n(Pro Israeli activists repeat it like parrots without checking its authenticity\nsince it was coined by Bnai Brith)\n\nWhat Hamas and Islamic Jihad believe in, as far as I can get from the Arab media,\nis an Islamic state that protects the rights of all its inhabitants under Koranic\nLaw. This would be a reversal of the 1948 situation in which the Jews in\nPalestine took control of the land and its (mostly Muslim) inhabitants.\n\nHowever, whoever committed crimes against humanity (torture, blowing up their\nhomes, murders,...) must be treated and tried as a war criminal. The political\nthought of these movements shows that a freedom of choice will be given to the\nJews in living under the new law or leaving to the destintion of their choice.\n\nAs for the PLO, I am at a loss to explain what is going inside Arafat's mind.\n\nAlthough their political thinking seems far fetched with Israel acting as a true\nsuper-power in the region, the Islamic movements are using the same weapon the\nJews used to establish their state : Religion.",
"$># Item number 1: in a previous posting, you stated that you had found\n$># \"overwhelming support for child molestation\" in soc.motss:\n\n$># You have (finally) responded to this one. I have read your complete file\n$># of postings to soc.motss and to put it bluntly, it does not support your\n$># assertion. In short, this claim is bogus. Thank you for confirming this.\n\n\nClayton, are you really an idiot, or do you just play one on USENET?\n\nYou claimed you had postings from a dozen (i.e. 12) soc.motss posters that\n\"supported child molestation\". (Point aside that they were really defending\nabolishing or modifying the age of consent laws, or the right to be ATTRACTED\nbut don't act upon desires for children).\n\nso 12 out of thousands is an \"overwhelming majority\".\n\nYou never cease to amaze me.\n\nAnd you still haven't told me why my relationship with my partner is immoral.\n\nBrian D. Kane",
": The Branch Davidians were not violent and were not planning to start\n: violence.\n: \n: When the BD compound was assaulted by the ATF the BD did fire back.\n: But they agreed to a cease fire and they allowed the ATF to care for\n: their wounded. The BD even released the ATF agents they captured. It\n: is clear from the release of the agents and allowing the ATF medical\n: attention that the BD were not looking for trouble.\n\n This is the first I've heard of the BD capturing and releasing ATF agents.\nIs there any more info about this?",
"I had heard the rumors about LA, Cin, Hou, and SD all being\ninterested in Mark Davis, so it doesn't surprise me that a\nteam had to give up something and cash to actually get him.\n\nLynch \"MOB\"",
"Ejon Matejevic who was a full professor at Clarkson University, last\nI heard, developed the process for sticking Teflon to metals.\n\nI don't think it was a NASA project, cuz i heard he held the patent\non it, and had made quite a bundle off it.\n\nAnyone from Clarkson know the Exact story. I never wanted to ask\nhim myself.",
"Currently, he's all over. He played 2nd when Deshields was out. He was\nshifted to third when Delino came back. And today, he played SS for a cold\nWil Cordero. \n\nHis natural positions seem to be in the middle infield, but they will seemingly\nfind a spot for himm somewhere as long as his bat is hot.",
"Ah - Palestine and the Arab Israeli conflict. Sounds interesting.\n\n\nThis is misleading. I supposed Charles D. Smith characterizes the bombing\nof the King David Hotel as a civilian installation too. Any installation \nattacked by Etzel was linked to some sort of official function of the \nMandatory government.\n\n\nWhat kind of CIVILIANS? I assume Charles D. Smith means completely innocent\npeople who were intentionally targeted, right? Please provide examples.\n\n\nNice strawman. In _The Revolt_ Begin does state that the *myth* of a massacre\nat Deir Yassin may have had the effect of scaring some Arabs into fleeing.\nHowever, nowhere does he claim that this was the result of any specific policy\nof the Etzel. Thus, if it did happen, it was not so intended. I think Arab \ncalls for Palestinians to leave and fear of a war started by Arab hands had \na greater effecton Arab migration than Deir Yassin.\n\nIn fact these jewish TERRORIST groups managed\n\nReally. Nice use of caps. I like it. Very effective. Actually, according to \nmany sources, including American diplomatic officials, the greatest encouragment\nfor Arabs to leave their villages came from Arab leaders.",
"[ NOTE: talk.origins removed from crossposting, as this had no business\n going there in the first place. ]\n\n\n\n No, but you're not achieving anything either. If you don't want to\nargue the point you're stating, why do you bother stating it?\n\n\n No. Read the (alt.atheism) FAQ to find out why.\n\n\n Well enough; if I feel interested, I might even listen.\n\n\n I won't; the task is impossible, and I don't have to do it in the\nfirst place. Why should I even bother to change or disprove your beliefs?\n\n - Mats \"Strong apatheist?\" Andtbacka",
"I am familiar with the project. It is the Onboard Shuttle Flight\nSoftware Project. This software controls the Space Shuttle During\nall dynamic phases as well as on-orbit.\nIt has ultra-high reliability and extremely\nlow error rates. There have been several papers published on the\nsubject and I'll collect some references. There may be an\narticle in the IBM Systems Journal Late '93, early '94.\n\nThere is no magic formula. We did it with dedicated and disciplined\nfolks who worked to put together a process that finds and removes errors\nand is corrected based on errors that \"escape\". We present a\none day overview of our process periodically to interested folks.\nThe next one is May 19th in Washington, D.C. I can fax specifics\nto those who are interested.\n\nBret Wingert\nWingert@VNET.IBM.COM",
"Yes,\n\nTake Interstate I-70 to the route 48 exit. Go south on 48 about\n2-1/2 miles. Trun right on Shiloh Springs Road. The hamvention is\nat the Harrah arena, which is about 1 mile west and on the north\nside of the Road. Parking at the arena is limited. Lodging is\nprobably entirely booked-up within a 40 mile radius. Good luck.\n\n | |\n 48 I75\n | |\n----------I70----------....---------\n | |\n | |\n X | |\n(mall) --------| |\n S. Springs |\n\nIt is possible to park at the mall to the west. There are shuttle\nbusses running between the arena and the mall.\n\nIf possible, get a Montgomery County, OH map from your local AAA\noffice. It should be free if you are an AAA member.\n\nIf you don't already have definite plans, now is not a particularly\ngood time to start to think about going to the hamvention.",
"Ah, so you finally found a use for that super slo-mo and frame advance\nother than scrutinizing \"Sorority Babes in Heat\". Congrats! \n\n\n Trust me, you'd have a helluva time manipulating them. Besides, if you\nconverted the film to video you'd have all kinds of artifacts because of the\ndifference in frame rate (unless you're an expert at doing 3/2 pulldown for\na laserdisc company or something). \n\n\n Hey, no fair! What about 'Fettucine' Alfredo Griffin? The guy practically\nhas to pivot the bat around along with his body. \n\n\n Daulton doesn't strike me as all that strange. He's a little bit quiet at \nthe plate but, like Franco, gets the bat through the hitting zone on a level\nplane. The first time I watched Julio Franco, I didn't think *anyone* could\nhit like that. Now I marvel at how easy he makes it look; every time he makes\ncontact, it's *solid*. He's got good power to all fields and rarely is he\ncaught not ready for a pitch. \n\n I wonder if Phil Plantier had a severe bout with hemorrhoids and had to\npractice his swing while 'on the throne'? :-) Sure looks like it :-) \n\n How 'bout one to add to your list: Travis Fryman? The guy plants his front\nfoot and seems to swing *across* his body. He generates a lot of power, but\nI keep thinking he could generate even more if he could get a better pivot\nout of his hips. \n\n\n Well, they're already spoken for (by several people), but .. \n\n I'd add Robbie Alomar's name to the list, among others. I really like Dean\nPalmer's swing, for some twisted reason, as well as Pedro Munoz's swing. \n\n\n A thought about May: It looks like they've taught him to turn on the ball.\nIMHO, he's going to fall in love with his newfound power and start pulling\noff the ball to the point that he's going to see *lots* of sinkers/sliders\nlow and away. Unless he adjusts quickly and starts rifling doubles to left \nand left-center, IMHO you're going to see a good number of weak grounders to \nthe right side of the infield in the next month.",
"I agree. God makes the husband the head of the house. But he surely\ncan't do it alone. He needs the help of his beloved wife whom the\nLord gave him.\n\nAt least that's how it is in my house. I thank God for the beautiful\nwoman He has brought into my life. I couldn't lead without the help\nof my wonderful wife.",
"Since one is also unlikely to get \"the truth\" from either Arab or \nPalestinian news outlets, where do we go to \"understand\", to learn? \nIs one form of propoganda more reliable than another? The only way \nto determine that is to try and get beyond the writer's \"political\nagenda\", whether it is \"on\" or \"against\" our *side*.\n\nTim",
"5 Apr 93\n MOSCOW (UPI) --\n ...\n ``It's horrible. People are trying to get their wives and children\nout, men are leaving their defense positions, it's total anarchy,'' said\nMekhman Aliyev, a spokesman for the Azerbaijani president.\n\n Aliyev said 210 people -- three-quarters of them civilians, the rest\ngovernment soldiers -- had been killed and 200 wounded in the assault by\nArmenian fighters.\n\n\n\nSerdar Argic",
"So what's the deal with Bill Wirtz? Apparently, the Blackhawks - St.\nLouis game was a standing room only sell out as usual, but the Hawks\nreported the attendace as 16,199. Gee, I wonder if Wirtz is planning to\nuse this as justification for continuing to keep home games off of TV?\nWhat a schmuck.\n\nIn other TV news, the Penguins announced yesterday that they will have 3\nfewer broadcast TV games, and will have 22(!) games on some sort of\nsubscription / pay-per-view system. Yuck.",
"Some of us aren't that fucking stupid you cock sucking asshole. That's why\nwe haven't had our own little DD suaree. I'm soo impressed that you've had\nto spend your own precious little dollars to make up for your own stupid\nact. Now go fuck off.\n\n\n\nFriends killed by Drunk Driving Assholes like Andress Infante: 2\nChildren friends orphaned by Drunk Driving Assholes like Infante: 2\n\n\n\nNow who's the self-righteous asshole, you weak willed fuck head?",
"From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\nSubject: Hebrew labor: racist connotations\n\n\nAVODA IVRIT - HEBREW LABOR\n---------------------------------\n\n\"Hebrew labor\" is a concept which has served the Zionist movement\nfor a long time. It has a double-barreled message: 1) The new Jew\nmust learn to do physical labor, i.e. working the land; 2) The\nland in this country must pass into Jewish hands, i.e. to the same\nnew Jew who has \"learned\" to work it. Both aspects of the\ntwo-pronged concept of \"Hebrew labor\" have racist connotations. On\nthe one hand, the diaspora Jew's lack of training in physical\nlabor is a myth shared by Zionists and antisemites. On the other\nhand, its meaning in practice has been the displacement of the\nArab farmer from the source of his livelihood.\n\nThe occupation and the cheap Palestinian labor which streamed from\nthe occupied territories to the factories, orchards, and\nhot-houses of Israel relegated the myth of \"Hebrew labor\" to the\nhistory books and nostalgic memories of the Zionist Movement. It\nhas blossomed forth anew, however, as the government's answer to\nproblems caused by the closure of the territories. Today too this\nconcept has two functions: 1) to give a progressive look to the\nclosing of the Palestinian population. Or in the words of\nEnvironment Minister Yossi Sarid, \"I have no tears for those who\nget rich off of cheap labor\". 2) to furnish an answer to the\nunemployed Israeli who complains of being obliged to work for\nwages that are lower than the unemployment insurance he receives.",
"Hi\n\nI t was very nice out yesterday in the 'burgh, so i rode my bike\nto my gynecologist appointment. When he came in to do the exam,\nhe noticed my helmet sitting on a chair. He got excited and picked it up \nand started asking all sorts of questions about bikes and dealers in the \narea and the MSF course. Apparently he rode a friends 125 for a\nwhile years ago and recently the bug to ride caught him again.\n\nNeedless to say, I had never before talked about bikes so much in\nsuch a position, if ya know what I mean :->",
"comments :\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t ^^^^^^^^^\n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\nThere is a BIG difference between the status of what you refer to as\nAlexandrians (actually, this includes all Oriental Orthodox Churches\nand not only Copts) and that of Nestorians. The Oriental Orthodox\nChurches never even \"shelter\" Eutyches (the advocator of Monophysitism)\nbut on the contrary, it condemned (and still does condemn) him and his\nheresy. That is why the Eastren (Chalcedonian) Orthodox Church held\ntalks with the Oriental (non-Chalcedonian) that started 30 years ago\nand still continueing till today, but they have converged on many\nissues the most imporatant of which is Christology (I have more \ndetails of the inter-Orthodox dialogue, in case anyone is interested).\nSo I do not see how the \"Alexandrians\" and the Nestorians are in a\nsimilar position.\n\nPeace,",
"Considering that Clinton received a draft notice and got out of it (he admits it) the political feasibility of him abolishing it is not something he would\nbe inclined to risk any extra exposure on.\n\n\nIf you read Aviation Week, the C-5 line can be reopened and the C-5s\nwould be delivered a year earlier and cost a billion less for the \nprogram. Politically, though, the C-17 is popular pork.\n\nAgreed. Congress took money from NASA and FHA to fund the second Seawolf.\nThe shipyards are still building Los Angeles Class submarines and there\nis a lack of ASW foes to contend with. The Navy is considering reducing\nthe number of attack subs to 40 (Navy Times) and that would entail\ngetting rid of or mothballing some of the current Los Angeles class.\n\nPolitically, General Dynamics is in Connecticut and we will get\nSeawolf subs whether we need them or not.\n\nIn addition, more bases need to be closed. Probably Long Beach Naval Station\nand others. The Navy is talking about three main bases on each coast being \nrequired to home port a total fleet of 320 ships.\n\nThe question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down\na pork happy Congress.",
"A suggestion: Slave (hook in series) a small pilot light off the fan\ncircuit. Then, if the light goes out, you know your fan is not working.",
"A person sees the front of their home is strewn with garbage. That\nperson removes the trash, and sweeps the sidewalk. His next door neigh-\nbors have not. The person then approaches his two neighbors and talks\nto them about cleaning the front of their homes, and why it would be\ngood for their own living conditions, and that of the neighborhood.\n There's nothing wrong with holding your neighbors accountable for\ntheir actions. That is the basis for a viable, safe community.\n\nRegards,",
"\"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is\nthe argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.\" -- William Pitt",
"A couple of questions for the multimedia set:\n\n\n1. Does anybody have a phone or fax number, or e-mail address, or name of a\nprincipal in CEDAR Technologies in Dublin, New Hampshire? All I have is a\npost-office box number, and I want to ask a couple of questions before\nsending\nthem some money. Any info much appreciated.\n\n2. I'm running an SE/30, which came with no microphone. Is there any way,\nother than using MacRecorder with SoundEdit or CEDAR's digitizer with some\nsimilar software, to input recorded sound into my Mac? I'm trying to play\nsome\nvery short interview clips in a HyperCard stack.\n\nThanks for any and all help.",
"My Native American Girlfriend asks: \"If the government really doesn't\n'care a hill of beans' about our religion, how come they're still\nbusting us for it in Oregon, Washington, and a few other places?\nYou'd be a Christian, too, if the U.S. Army marched you into church\nat gunpoint.\"",
"Vell...Let's see...vas you muzzah in der passenger seat? Or vas you muzzah in\nder leefing room, vit you fazah?",
"This is a whole different situation. If aliens were able to get here prior\nto us being able to get there, one might conclude that they would be more advanced\nand therefore \"more intelegent\" that we are. However if we get somewhere where there\nis life, chances are we wont be able to communicate with them. So we will have\nno clue as to weather they are \"intelegent\" or not.\n\n\nThat's a good point, I hadn't thought of it that way. My question however was\nmore along the lines of... Every year the US spends millions of tax dollars\nand giving tax breaks to individuals and companies who feed the poor of foreign\ncountries while thousands of our own people sleep on the streets at night.\nWould we give to the economicly dissadvantaged on another planet if we hadn't resolved\nthese issues on our own?\n\n\nBut... Your comment brings up another good question. Over the years we have decided\nthat certain cultures need improvements. The native americans is a good example. Prior\nto our attempt to civilize them, the native american culture had very little crime, no\nhomelessnes, no poverty. Then the europeans came along and now they have those and\nmore. If we encounter life elsewhere, do we tell them they have to live in houses, farm\nthe land and go to church on sunday?\n-- \nHave a day,",
"Better still, years ago they demonstrated a cold air system which only used\n\"air\". It was called a Rovax. The unit worked very well, the short coming\nwas the seal technology. Where is it today?",
"I saw a Lifetime Medical Television show a few months back on travel\nmedicine. It briefly mentioned some drugs which when started two or\nthree days before getting to altitude could assist in acclimitazation.\n\nUnfortunately all that I can recall is that the drug stimulated\nbreathing at night??? I don't know if that makes sense, it seems\nto me that the new drug which stimulates red blood cell production\nwould be a more logical approach, erythropoiten (sp?).\n\nAlas, I didn't record the program, but wish I had, since I live\nat over 7000ft. and my mother gets sick when visiting.\n\nPlease let me know if you get more informative responses.",
"OK here are some usefull applications and locations and other:\n\nOn Cica or mirrors in the /desktop directory\n\nWRKSFT16 ZIP 39798 920915 WokShift Graphical Virtual Desktop (ver 1.6)\n(email author about version 2.0)\n\nDESK240 ZIP 164690 921103 Desktop Tools For Windows 3.x\n(BackMenu 2.4 & BigDesk #### Later version than BackDesk)\n\nTOPDESK ZIP 51051 920723 Virtual Windows for Windows\n????\n\nFINDER ZIP ??????? 930329 A Mac Finder clone for Windows\n(Works well with BackMenu)\n\n************\n\nAlso look out for SuperBar 2.0. Due out soon. It allows button bars\nto be added to almost any application.",
"Did your boyfriend comment on the fact that Clement looks like a\nwalking ad for Brillo pad hair replacement therapy? The guy's just a\nstuffed shirt who thinks he's the greatest hockey analyst since Howie\nMeeker (for gosh sakes). I'll take Schoenie any day.\n\nGeorge",
"I'm not aware that the US government considers me dangerous. In any\ncase, that has nothing to do with the current case. The claim against\nthe ADL is that it illegally obtained and disseminated information that\nwas gathered by state and/or federal agencies in the course of their\nstandard interaction with citizens such as myself. By that I refer to\nthings such as: address and phone number, vehicle registration and\nlicense information, photographs, etc.\n\n\nYou should ask the ADL, if you want an authoritative answer. My guess\nis that they collected information on anyone who did or might engage in\npolitical criticism of Israel. I further believe that they did this as\nagents of the Israeli government, or at least in agreement with them.\nAt least some of the information collected by the ADL was passed on to\nIsraeli officials. In some cases it was used to influence, or attempt\nto influence, people's access to jobs or public forums. These matters\nwill be brought out as the court case unfolds, since California law\nentitles people to compensation if such actions can be proven. As my\nprevious posting shows, California law entitles people to compensation\neven in the absence of any specific consequences -- just for the further\ndissemination of certain types of private information about them.",
"Cool it, will you? Let people form their own opinions.\nEven Mr. Sternlight might be right sometime, and you guys\nare setting things up so that the only way he can regain \nany credibility is to renounce his previous statements and\nmove towards the mainstream of net.opinion. This does not\nbespeak tolerance, IMO.\n\n\nIndeed...",
"Very well indeed. At home (a VL Bus version of the Graphics Pro) I can stretch\nan AVI window to 640x480 and it will continue to play back smoothly. It drops\na few more frames but on most machines even attempting such a thing would mean\none frame update every 30 seconds. An ISA Graphics+ was able to do \"Zoom by\n2\" without any perceptible performance penalty. It is the best performance\nI've seen so far with the possible exception of an Intel Indeo board (which\nuses overlay so it doesn't have to move the decompressed data over the ISA\nbus at any point).",
"On the other hand, Rush made an interesting point: The Democrats ran\n one of their best campaigns in years against a pathetic Republican and\n a paranoiac and still only pulled 43% of the vote, lost 10 seats in\n the House, and gained 0 seats in the Senate. 1994 might be pretty\n interesting.\n\nClueless of the world, take heart! 57% of the electorate is willing\nto vote for \"a pathetic Republican and a paranoiac\"!!",
"I take it you mean President Nixon, not private citizen Nixon. Sure.\nNothing I'm doing would be of the slightest interest to President Nixon .\n\nDavid",
"Well, there were 27 outs in a row with no hits or walks in between, but\nreally, he only retired 26 batters in a row. The first out of the game\nwas the front end of a double play. Still counts as a back-end perfect\ngame in my book, though. \n\nCongrats to Chris Bosio. Too bad the Brewers couldn't hold on to him.",
"-- That means that there cannot be any atheists since there is NO WAY that you\ncan prove that there is no god. Atheists are people who BELIEVE that there is no\ngod, most not only believe, but also are damn sure that there isn't a god (like\nme).\n\n ---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n The Cursor, aka Nick Humphries, u2nmh@csc.liv.ac.uk, at your service.\n ---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n \"What's the use of computers? They'll never play | \"Why pay money to see\n chess, draw art or make music.\" - Jean Genet. | bad films? Stay home \n \"Intelligence isn't to make no mistakes, but how | and see bad TV for\n to make them look good.\" - Bertolt Brecht. | free.\" - Sam Goldwyn.",
":\nIt's i before e except after c, and in people named kEIth.\n\nLearn to spell. It's Ryne.\n\nHow can Brooks be # 6? I think he would at least be ahead of Ron Santo.\n\n\n\n\n***********************\n1a) Darren Daulton * MVP 1993\n***********************",
"Only if you persist in believing that Peter Gammons is more knowledgable about\nbaseball than the average mailbox. Okay, I'm overstating. Still, the man \nactually had the gall to say that one out of every six pitchers in the NL this\nyear did not pitch in the majors last year.\n\nHuh?\n\nIMO, this expansion will not see the explosive jump in offense that the \nother expansion drafts had, since the talent was diluted over both leagues.\nIn Gammons' defense, because the talent drain came from the AL as well, some\nincrease will be seen. He also gets credit for mentioning that the 1969 jump\nin offense was due also to the rules changes after the 1968 season. He's still\nfull of it...",
"Speaking as one who knows relativity and quantum mechanics, I say: \nBullshit.\n\n\nSpeaking as one who has taken LSD, I say: \nBullshit.\n\n\n\nHow could striving toward an ideal be in any way useful, if the ideal \nhad no objective existence?\n--\nMark Pundurs",
"Gee, I got the idea from somewhere that devices like this were in common\nuse in WWII, so that commanders on board ships could bellow at the troops\nlanding on a beach, for example.\n\nWhich reminds me of an anecdote from the mid-60s. At a communications\nconference a Marine Corps communications officer said he didn't care\nmuch for all the spread-spectrum multi-access expensive communication\nsystems that people were talking about at the time; what he wanted\nwas a kilowatt broadcast transmitter on the ship and a $4.95 Japanese\ntransistor radio stuck in the ear of every Marine hitting the beach.\n-- \nhaynes@cats.ucsc.edu\nhaynes@cats.bitnet",
"That may change next month; at least I hope it will. A couple of hundred\njournalists have requested press passes for the test flights. Sustaining\nthat publicity however, will be a problem. \n\n Allen",
"I'm trying to get in touch with Mitsumi - anyone have their number?\n\n-- \n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\n --- --- Frank Pikelner /~\\\n \\ \\ \\ Technical Assistant, Department of Computer Science <v.v>\n \\- \\-- York University (Toronto, Canada) ,\\^/;\n \\ \\ Internet: frank@cs.yorku.ca _{!}_",
"As far as a member of the Armed Forces is concerned, the\nPresident is whatever the h*ll he wants to be. All of them\nrecently have rather insisted on being treated as something\nother than a *mere* civilian.\n\n\nSo if Hilary were asleep at the time......\n\n\nI like living in a country where the head of state is not\na military officer too. But this point about not using the\nmilitary as the first choice for solving domestic problems....\n\nDidn't they go after these Branch Davidians with a *tank*,\nafter all?",
"I commend everybody to look at the FTP site 'ftp.cicb.fr'\n-> Ethernet address 129.20.128.2 <-\nin the directory /pub/Images/ASTRO:\nthere are lots of images (all of kinds in astronomy subject)\nespecially in GIF format and a NEW ! directory of some JPL animations\n\nFor your comfort, README files in all subdirectories give size and\ndescription of each image, and a 7 days' newer images' list is in READMENEW\n\nNote: you can connect it as 'anonymous' or 'ftp' user, then the quota\n for each is 8 users connected in the same time.\n So, if the server responds you \"connection refused\", be patient !\n\n2nd note: this site is reachable by Gopher at 'roland.cicb.fr'\n -> Ethernet address 129.20.128.27 <-\n in 'Divers serveurs Ftp/Le serveur ftp du CRI-CICB/Images/ASTRO'\n\nIf you have any comments, suggestions, problems,\nthen you can contact me at E-mail 'rousself@univ-rennes1.fr'",
"I was at that game, behind home plate next to a scout who was manning the \nradar gun. The 1991 season was winding down and Roger didn't have his \nbest fastball, topping out at 88-90 (in contrast to Frank Tanana, who went \nas low as 50 with one lollipop in the process of striking out Phil \nPlantier *five* times on the night). Inky's shot would have gone further\nthan any I've ever seen if it hadn't crashed *into* the lights (not the \nlightstand) as you say over 100 feet high, Roy Hobbs-like, and bounced \nback onto the field. That had to have been a 525-footer if unobstructed,\nedging out Bo Jackson's drive off Oil Can Boyd to the top of the\ncenterfield bleacher back wall in 1988 for the best I've seen personally \n(I was sitting under that one). \n\n---\nGlenn Waugaman\nDigital Equipment Corporation\nLittleton, MA\ng_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com",
"A neutral organization would report on the situation in\nIsrael, where the elderly and children are the victims of stabbings by\nHamas \"activists.\" A neutral organization might also report that\nIsraeli arabs have full civil rights.\n\n\n\tCare to name names, or is this yet another unsubstantiated\nslander? \n\n\n\tTerrorism, as you would know if you had a spine that allowed\nyou to stand up, is random attacks on civilians. Terorism includes\nsuch things as shooting a cripple and thowing him off the side of a\nboat because he happens to be Jewish. Not allowing people to go where\nthey are likely to be stabbed and killed, like a certain lawyer killed\nlast week, is not terorism.\n\nAdam\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAdam Shostack \t\t\t\t adam@das.harvard.edu",
"Jim Haynes wants to know the following is a scam....\n\n There's a chiropractor who has a stand in the middle of a shopping\n mall, offering free examinations. Part of the process involves a\n multiple-jointed sensor arm and a computer that says in a computer-\n sounding voice \"digitize left PSIS\" \"digitize right PSIS\" \"digitize\n C7\" \"please stand with spine in neutral position\". I'm wondering\n whether this doesn't really measure anything and the computer voice\n is to impress the victims, or whether it is measuring something\n that chiropractors think is useful to measure.\n\nEarth to sci.med....If it looks like a duck...and quacks like a duck......\n\nThis is a TOTAL scam. Since the beginning of chiropraxis, the chiropractor has \ntried to sell The Subluxation as The Problem and then sell themselves and\ntheir Adjustments as The Solution. The Chiropractic Subluxation is a delusional \ndiagnosis and the Adjustments of Subluxations by extension constitute a \ndelusional medicine.\n\nThe wide spectrum of chiropractic Techniques ALL have their own methods for \ndetecting Spinal Demons and unique methodolgies for Excorcizing Them. The \ncomputer approach is an attempt to 'sell with science' but this device is \nnothing more than a 'high-tech' Subluxation Detector.....and in the end...\nAMAZINGLY...it will show the potential 'patient' to suffer from...VS......\nVertebral Subluxation....The Silent Killer!",
"I've been asking myself this same question for the past year, so, if/when\nyou find out, would you please share the magistic answer with me.. \n\nThe way I see it right now, work twice as hard so you can have both.\n\ncheers :)",
"(forgive any inaccuracies, i deleted the original post)\nisn't this the same person who wrote the book, and was censured\nin canada a few years back?",
"And you know what? There is no such method inherent in real life\neither. So I would assume you would endorse the notion that we \ncannot state, with any level of objectivity, that Mother Theresa\nhas accomplished more good in this world than Joseph Stalin.\nAfter all, life on earth is a team effort.\n\n\nHave you tried glasses? I find them quite useful. \n\nAfter all, there must be some reason you choose to ignore the mounds\nof evidence we present. It's too bad you feel it necessary to close\nyour mind and eyes to knowledge; you live a poorer life as a result\nof that choice.\n\nHeck, I'd wager that you could predict a WS winner with greater\naccuracy than Jeanne Dixon. And you know why? Because I have\nfull confidence that despite your protestations to the contrary,\nyou are quite capable of using the knowledge we can come up\nwith through statistical methods to boost your knowledge level. \n\n\nHave you tried calling a kettle black?\n\n\nIn other words, in your world, you cannot objectively state that\nJack Morris was more important to the Blue Jays than Al Leiter last\nyear.\n\nIn your world, that may indeed be true. Fortunately, in the world\nthe rest of us occupy, it's not.\n\nI hope you never serve on a jury, Roger. I think the rest of the\njury would have to kill you. \"There's no way I can objectively\njudge the defendant to be innocent or guilty. You see, there are\n2 billion other people on this planet. We have no way of knowing\nwhether the defendant would have committed the crime if it wasn't\nfor all the other people on the planet. We have no way of knowing\nhow the defendant would have acted had he been on a different planet,\nbecause living on this planet is a team effort. And no individual\ncommitts a crime totally isolated from his society; he is a part of\nthat society. That being case, anything I have to say on his\nculpability would be absolute subjectivity, so I refuse to vote.\"",
"Does anyone out there know where some one can become educated in the art of\nrepairing Macintosh computers? Also, how does one gain the prestige of being\nrefered to as a Authorized Apple Service person? Has anyone out there actually\ndone any of this or maybe even know someone who did. I would appreciate any\nand all comments on this subject.\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nBen Roy--------internet<br4416a@american.edu>---------PCS(poor college student)",
"Erickson did go on the 15 day DL with a pulled muscle in his left side (near \nrib cage). He is on until 4/18/93.\n\nNo news as to who the Twins will bring up.\n----------------------------------------------\nKevin Hansen\nMN Twin Family Study - University of Minnesota\n(612)626-7224\nkhansen@staff.tc.umn.edu\n----------------------------------------------\nContact: University of Minnesota Women's Basketball",
"The only info I have is my area is not having a large march. They are leaving\nit up to each congragation. IMO this means organizers found it too difficult\nto manage or no one feels the need to be involved.\n\nI'm not casting stones, my involvement with the Lord does not include the March\nthis year. Maybe He is giving a message by the lack of one?? JLS",
"What does this have to do with my original question??? I previously\nstated that I did an XCopyArea of the depth-8 pixmap to the screen\njust to make sure that my image had data, and it did. This is NOT\na problem with expose events, it has to do with XCopyPlane not\nworking!!!\n\nDoes anyone have a code fragment they could send demonstrating that\nXCopyPlane works??? This would be very helpful!\n\nThanks!\n\n ----------------------------------------------------------------\n Nancie P. Marin NET: nancie@neko.css.gov\n ENSCO Inc. MAIL: 445 Pineda Ct. Melbourne, Fl. 32940\n (407)254-4122 FAX: (407)254-3293",
"Hello.\n\nI have these items for sale.\n\nTerms are UPS COD or prepayment by money order.\n\n2 101 keyboards for IBM compatibles\n\n1 Mitsumi 1.2 MB 5 1/4 floppy disk drive\n\n1 Sony SRF-M30 digital AM/FM Stereo Walkman\n\nThe drive cost me $65, the keyboards were $40 each, and the Sony \nradio cost $45.\n\nI will sell for the best offers.\n\nThank You.",
"Yes, I suppose that's true. Of course, notice I qualified with NEARLY\nevery language :-). And there are missionaries out there who can\nspeak every imaginable language AND dialect. But then, the fact that\nnot all languages have a WRITTEN gospel lends no credence to the \nconcept of \"pentecost\" type xenoglossolalia since most tongues occur not\nin these places of un-written language, but rather in churches full\nof people who do have a written language and a Bible in that language.",
"You could argue that if you wanted, but I think a more reasonable \nargument would point out the fact that the remembrance feast was\nvery similar to the Pesach (Passover) meal during Seder, a very\nJewish ritual.\n \nThe fact that there appears to be an abuse in the early Church of\npeople eating too much (a very real concern with some Passover meals)\nand not treating the meal with respect, shows the simplifying of the\nritual to just bread and wine to be a way of dealing with the\ninherent problems of people's human nature, and trying to keep the\nessentials of the remembrance aspects.",
"We have an copy of the book, new, not read. $20 plus S/H. DC if you can\npickup. (The book has over 1100 pages and is quite heavy.)\n\nFeng",
"Yes, it is. I have taken photos of it's minaret.\n\n\nDunno.\n\n\nThis doesn't sound like \"eye for an eye\" anymore. Changed your tune?",
"Forsale:\n\nProton P1100 preamplifier\n========================= About 3.5 years old, originally $299, asking $150\nor best offer. Has inputs for tape 1, tape 2, CD, phono, video and tuner.\nSeparate listen and record selectors. Bass EQ, subharmonic filter and mono\nswitch. High quality volume potentiometer. In excellent condition, with\noriginal boxes and manual.\n\nSony D-88 portable Diskman\n========================== This is the one designed to play the mini CD's.\nYou can play normal size CDs, but the disk sticks out the side. Works\nwell,\nbut may skip occasionally - it should be tuned up (heads aligned, cleaned,\netc.) In excellent condition. It has not been used all that much. With\ncarrying case. Original list was (I think) $300, but I'll take $80 or best\noffer. It would be good for an office or just to sit on your desk.\n\nPlease email me <eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu> or telephone at\n(617) 278-0068.\n\nEric",
"Good grief again.\n\nWhy the anger? I must have really touched a raw nerve.\n\nLet's see: I had symptoms that resisted all other treatments. Sporanox\ntotally alleviated them within one week. Hmmm, I must be psychotic. Yesss!\nThat's it - my illness was all in my mind. Thanks Steve for your correct\ndiagnosis - you must have a lot of experience being out there in trenches,\ntreating hundreds of patients a week. Thank you. I'm forever in your\ndebt.\n\nJon\n\n(oops, gotta run, the men in white coats are ready to take me away, haha,\nto the happy home, where I can go twiddle my thumbs, basket weave, and\nmoan about my sinuses.)\n\n-- \n\nCharter Member --->>> INFJ Club.",
"[\">\"= Mark, \">>\"= mp]\n\n\n\n I am sorry you find these charges amusing, Mark. I understand your\nfrustration though--it can be kind of scary to find your assumptions\nchallenged. Some of the specific cultural interference to which I refer\nincludes linguistic manipulation, for instance, their Tzotzil-Spanish\ndictionary removed both Spanish and Tzotzil words for concepts which are\nthreatening to the ruling ideology, e.g., class, conquer, exploitation,\nrepression, revolution, and described words which can express\nideological concepts in examples like \"Boss--the boss is good. He treats\nus well and pays us a good wage.\" As some of my students would say,\n\"NOT!\" \n Your tone implies that you are unlikely to believe me--indeed, why\nshould you? If you are interested enough to do some further research\nthough, and you sound as if you are, here are some references for you.\n \nStoll, David. _Fishers of Men or Founders of Empire? The Wycliffe Bible\nTranslators in Latin America_.\n_Sectas y Religiosidad en America Latina_.\n_Los Angeles Times_, Dec. 11. 1977.\n_Latin America Press_, May 19, 1983.\n_Washington Times_, June 22, 1984.\n\n Happy hunting.",
"Kudos to Mark for his generous offer, but there already exists a\nlarge (email-based) forwarding system for sci.space posts: Space Digest.\nIt mirrors sci.space exactly, and provides simple two-way communication.\n\n\tTO SUBSCRIBE:\n\t Send the following message in the *body* (not subject) of an\n\t email message:\n\n\t\tsubscribe space John Q Public\n\n\t to one of these addresses:\n\n\t\tlistserv@uga\n\t\tlistserv@uga.cc.uga.edu\n\t\tlistserv@finhutc\n\t\tlistserv@finhuc.hut.fi\n\t\tspace-request@isu.isunet.edu\n\n\t You'll receive all the posts in \"digest\" form once a day. Please\n\t use a listserv if you can, the \"space-request\" address is handled\n\t manually.\n\n\tTO POST MESSAGES:\n\t Send your message (with a reasonable Subject line) to:\n\n\t\tspace@isu.isunet.edu\n\nQuestions, comments to space-request@isu.isunet.edu",
"Have you informed your wife of this prioritization?\n\nThis board will have\n\nThou hast used my name in vain! I never coerce. Ridicule, maybe, but\nnever coerce. Please take responsibility for your actions.\n\n(deletia)",
"It's my understanding that Romans 9:13 \"As it is written, Jacob have I\nloved, but Esau have I hated.\" refers not to the two individuals, but\nrather to their offspring, the tribe of Jacob and the tribe of Esau\n\nSee Obadiah, for example. In fact, if you scan through the OT, you\nwill find similar references to the two tribes.",
"[my stuff about dealing with defferences deleted]\n\n\ni am sorry; i did not mean to. i think i understand how your\nexperiences were much worse than the small bit of ridicule i have had\nto put up with. i guess i didn't really understand before; now i do.\n\n\nwow, pretty conservative church. (please excuse me if this seems like\na ridiculous understatement to you.)\n\n\n(on a side note, that \"under God\" wasn't in there until recently -- i\nbelieve my father, who is in his sixties, remembers saying the pledge\nof allegiance without that in there. i don't know the history behind\nthat though.)\n\nemotional blackmail -- ouch. thank goodness (i'll be neutral in my\nthanks here :) ) i was raised in a completely tolerant household, so\nthat i could make my own decisions!\n\n\nso atheism doesn't have to be taught, but christianity does. i guess\ni can see that, although i can see a child believing in some sort of\ngod without anything other than his/ her own imagination as a basis.\n(sorry, i guess this is sort of minor)\n\n[my query about parallel between lack of choice for homosexuals and\nlack of choice for him as an atheist deleted]\n\nhmm, i wonder why i am a christian then? this isn't a flame, this is\na real wonder. does anyone else have opinions to offer on why you\nbelieve in something that hasn't necessarily been \"proven\" to you?\n\n\nsounds like you are an atheist by nature, then. or is it possible\nthat at least part of it is due to the apparently repressive nature of\nthe christianity of your childhood? if this is getting too personal\nperhaps you should ignore it, or we can take it to email.\n\n\nthis may have been a general remark; you do not sound broken to me,\nbut indeed stronger.\n\n\nyes, i agree with that. i've seen some of the damage repressive\nreligion can do, and as a result i intend to raise my own children as\nmuch as i can to look around before accepting one religious stand\n(atheism is included in this) and to _question everything_ -- this is\nvery important.\n\n\ni can see that.",
"I believe that this is not quite correct. My understanding is that LDS is\nengaged on a project to \"convert\" the souls of deceased persons of other\nreligions, in order to spare them from damnation and gain them entrance into\nheaven. To this end, the Church has compiled extensive genaeological records, so\nthat they will know the names of people to convert. A long article in the New\nYorker a few years ago described the LDS research methods in some detail (for\nexample, some researchers pay visits to local native storytellers to learn the\nnames of people long dead). This sounds like just the sort of lie that would be\nmade up about any unusual religion, but the New Yorker story convinced me that\nthere is some truth to it (the New Yorker used to do extensive fact-checking, and\nthe story was quite detailed).",
"I'm concerned about a recent posting about WBT/SIL. I thought they'd\npretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in\nideological manipulation and cultural interference, including Vietnam\nand South America. A commission from Mexican Academia denounced them in\n1979 as \" a covert political and ideological institution used by the\nU.S. govt as an instrument of control, regulation, penetration, espionage and\nrepression.\"\n My concern is that this group may be seen as acceptable and even\npraiseworthy by readers of soc.religion.christian. It's important that\nChristians don't immediately accept every \"Christian\" organization as\nautomatically above reproach.",
"Sez Dave Kingman when he used to take off for Rosh Hashanna and Yom\nKippur on days they coincided with the season.",
"Are you sure you want to include Chalcedon here? I presume that you \nmean the description of Jesus as fully human and fully devine. Almost \neveryone would consider the majority of Copts and Armenians, and the \nJacobites, as Christians, yet for 15 centuries it has been maintained \nthat they disagree with the Formula of Chalcedon. Those that wouldn't \nconsider them Christians are most likely to object that these communities \ndon't require a personal commitment to Jesus, which is only tangentially \nrelated to the Formula of Chalcedon. \n-- \nThanks, John Kolassa, kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu",
"There is a new product for the (IBM'ers) out there... it is called\nIMAGINE and it just started shipping yesterday... I can personally attest that it will blow the doors off of 3D-Studio. It is made by IMPUlSE, and is in its\n3rd version....(1st) for the IBM.... it can do morphing, your standard key-framming animation, it is a raytracer (reflections & shadows), and can do/apply special FX to objects... (like ripple, explode, bounce) things of that nature. Also it has algorithmic texture maps....and your standard brushmapping also...\n\nyou can have animated brushmaps...(ie. live video mapped on the objs)...\nalso animated backdrops (ie. live video backgrounds)\nalso animted reflections maps....\n\nyou get the idea.... it will run for about 500$ retail (I think)...\n\ndont let the low price fool you.... this product can do it all when it\ncomes to 3D-animation and Renderering...!\n\nalso....does anyone here know how to get in the Imagine mailing list??\nplease e-mail me if you do or post up here....\n\noh...the number for IMPULSE is --->1 800 328 0184",
"I have the following Laser Discs forsale. All are in original covers. They are all in excellent condition, I've watched them so many times and I can't see myself watching them again. I'm asking $20 per disc.\n\nTerminator\nRoad Warrior\nHook\nGhost\nRobo Cop\nRepo Man\nRomancing the Stone\nLost Boys\nDark Man\nRobinhoood Prince of Thieves\nTotal Recall"
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