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True | vytah | null | Flash via JavaScript: http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/
Soon they'll be almost no need for plugins of any kind. | null | 0 | 1316085550 | False | 0 | c2k196r | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k196r | t1_c2k0s50 | null | 1427602948 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316085554 | False | 0 | c2k1975 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1975 | t1_c2k129c | null | 1427602948 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316085575 | False | 0 | c2k1986 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1986 | t1_c2k190l | null | 1427602948 | -14 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316085627 | False | 0 | c2k19bq | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k19bq | t1_c2k18x3 | null | 1427602949 | -6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | axilmar | null | > Then why did you say "The above numbers do not include inherited" when clearly at least some of them are inherited without overriding?
Because they don't say which ones are overridden or not. I assume all of them are overridden in one or another way, because otherwise there is no point in mentioning them (no point in duplicating documentation of a base class into a derived class, if there is no change in the derived class).
> Most (if not all) of the properties are in the parent classes, they just didn't note it in the documentation like they did with events and methods.
Ok, that's not my fault though.
> How many of them? Certainly not 58. Liar.
All of them, as far as I am concerned. When a method is documented as part of a class in an object-oriented design, it means the method has specific behavior for that class.
Documenting a method of a class when this method has nothing special on that class is not a logical thing to do. Qt, for example, has a special section on inherited methods, in order to let you know which methods are inherited, but overridden methods are explicitly shown as part of the class' documentation.
But I am putting Microsoft and logic in the same sentence here. It's not a logical thing to do :-).
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True | pietervriesacker | null | Well I'm maybe too closed minded about this but every time I come across something that needs high performance I think it would be better off as a real application instead of an in-browser app/game.
I'm also biased because I'm a mac user that's extremely unhappy with all the crappy Flash app performance/UX things. I've simply come to a point where I think any app that's complex enough to need a plugin to be executed can't give me a satisfactory user experience while in a browser anyway. | null | 0 | 1316085691 | False | 0 | c2k19fv | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k19fv | t1_c2k18kf | null | 1427602951 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dimmu_burger | null | So far, in this thread, I've only seen one person acting like a fanboy. That person, dear Watson, would be you. | null | 0 | 1316085725 | False | 0 | c2k19hq | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k19hq | t1_c2k1621 | null | 1427602951 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ernelli | null | Right, videomixing requires decrypting and encrypting it again. It has the hardware available to encrypt in real-time so its just a matter of FPGA size if that functionality currently wont fit in the chip used.
I'm not sure exactly how similar laws such as DMCA applies in other countries, but according to my understanding, if you publish any information on how to circumvent copy protection you risk a take-down notice, which to my understanding is something you want to avoid. | null | 0 | 1316085728 | False | 0 | c2k19i1 | t3_kfby2 | null | t1_c2k19i1 | t1_c2k0w2l | null | 1427602951 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | db2 | null | >I'm too busy being a complete and total douchebag.
FTFY | null | 0 | 1316085760 | False | 0 | c2k19k2 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k19k2 | t1_c2k18wv | null | 1427602951 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316085781 | False | 0 | c2k19l6 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k19l6 | t1_c2k19fv | null | 1427602953 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316085801 | False | 0 | c2k19m3 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k19m3 | t1_c2k19k2 | null | 1427602953 | -16 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Igorivan2 | null | I love how your fanboyism gets in the way of critical thinking. Windows Phone 7 is not some revolutionary new operating system. It is based on the same WinCE kernel as earlier Windows Mobile products. It is so advanced that it doesn't even support preemptive multitasking! Hello 1980.
Ever wondered why Microsoft doesn't give developers access to native code on WP7? | null | 0 | 1316085819 | False | 0 | c2k19na | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k19na | t1_c2k15ti | null | 1427602953 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Forbizzle | null | A lot of those people struggle as soon as functions appear (whether they're trig. functions like sin() cos(), simpler ones like sqrt(), or log()). IMO programming could be an alternative approach to teaching math, and gives kids the opportunity to see problems be resolved in front of them.
Right now it definitely feels like some people are unable to learn programming, as first year courses see drop out rates well over 50%. But maybe that's because people are being taught too much too fast, and smaller chunks taught earlier would have bridged that logic gap.
Also as the article states, those people that simply can't learn programming are logically illiterate. That's something that should be fixed. | null | 0 | 1316085850 | False | 0 | c2k19pb | t3_kgbzq | null | t1_c2k19pb | t1_c2k17g3 | null | 1427602953 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316085861 | False | 0 | c2k19q1 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k19q1 | t1_c2k19hq | null | 1427602953 | -8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Rhomboid | null | > They're simply moving away from a plugin model, so silverlight, Flash and others will come pre-installed on your tablet windows 8 device.
You are just making stuff up now. Here is a direct quote from [Steven Sinofsky of Microsoft](http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/14/metro-style-browsing-and-plug-in-free-html5.aspx), from the linked article:
> We examined the use of plug-ins across the top 97,000 sites world-wide, a corpus which includes local sites outside the US in significant depth. Many of the 62% of these sites that currently use Adobe Flash already fall back to HTML5 video in the absence of plug-in support. When serving ads in the absence of plug-ins, most sites already perform the equivalent of this fallback, showing that this approach is practical and scalable. There’s a steep drop-off in plug-in usage after Flash, with one control used on 2% of sites and a small collection of controls used on between 0.5% and 0.75% of sites.
>
> On Windows 8, consumer sites and “line of business” applications that require legacy ActiveX controls will continue to run in the desktop browser, and people can tap “Use Desktop View” in Metro style IE for these sites. For what these sites do, the power of HTML5 makes more sense, especially in Windows 8 apps.
>
> Plug-in free browsers today already deliver great experiences with well-authored HTML5 content. These experiences get even better with touch in Metro style IE.
Now, pray tell, if they were planning to keep Flash around with some kind of built-in browser support, why would Microsoft be doing usability studies about what it's like to use the web with a browser without Flash capability? Why would they be researching how sites fall back to HTML5? Why would they be playing up how well HTML5 features work today? The answer is that they wouldn't. Your interpretation is not supported by the facts.
Moreover, how exactly are you proposing that Microsoft would make a browser that natively supports Flash without a plugin? Are you implying that Microsoft is going to undertake the enormous task of creating their own Flash VM and libraries from scratch? That would be suicidal, as they would be competing with Adobe and would have to pour enormous amounts cash of resources into the problem to get even 90% compatibility. GNU Gnash has been working at this for years and they are at the level where they support "most SWF v7 features and some SWF v8 and v9", but nothing from v10.
Or are you saying they would obtain a source license from Adobe to integrate it into the browser? What exactly would be the benefit of that over just using a plug-in? That they would greatly enrichen a competitor?
Stop making stuff up.
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True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316085981 | True | 0 | c2k19y8 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k19y8 | t1_c2k19ri | null | 1427602955 | -15 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | > Haskell has null pointers, it just happens to express them via the Option monad.
No it fucking doesn't. This has been explained to you a million freaking times and yet you keep repeating it. The Maybe monad and null pointers are *not* the same thing. "Maybe a" and "a" are two completely separate types in Haskell, and cannot be mixed. | null | 0 | 1316086001 | False | 0 | c2k19zf | t3_kfvm7 | null | t1_c2k19zf | t1_c2k0k0l | null | 1427602955 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | pozorvlak | null | Your comment is analogous to a claim that most people are too stupid to read, would have no use for reading anyway, and could just employ a scribe if they need any reading or writing done for them. That would have been a reasonable claim to make in the middle ages, but we now know better. So yes, I do assume that most people are smart enough to code (at least to the level of simple scripting), and I'm *certain* that most people would benefit from the ability once it became widespread enough to be assumed.
Of course, some people do have difficulty reading, and it wouldn't be surprising if some people turned out to be dysalgoric too. And people from deprived backgrounds often don't learn to read, and disproportionately end up in prison because there's no place for them in the legitimate economy. A mass-algorate society would probably have to solve analogous problems. But I think the potential gains would be worth it. | null | 0 | 1316086057 | True | 0 | c2k1a39 | t3_kgbzq | null | t1_c2k1a39 | t1_c2k17g3 | null | 1427602955 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | JL235 | null | The single biggest issue for HTML5 taking over from Flash has been performance. So far, previews of Windows 8 have shown applications running at a constant 60 frames per second, with fully animated backgrounds, and glossy fades and slides. It is the fact that the performance is so consistent, which is so impressive, and shows it is capable of standing up to Flash.
Next, the only platform where Flash really matters is on Windows; that is why the Linux and Mac OS versions are so much worse. By putting more emphasis on HTML5, over Flash, on the next version of Windows, it is a pretty big deal.
Google already block Java applets, and other plugins, in Chrome. If Flash usage were to drop, then I would be surprised if they did not block Flash as well. Google are clearly prefer HTML5+JavaScript over plugins.
Finally this means two of the largest software companies in the world, who hold massive user shares, Apple and Microsoft, are both trying to get their users off Flash.
Even Adobe is moving that way with all of their recent projects for alternatives to Flash (such as Edge and the Flash to HTML converter).
One of those reasons is pretty major; and I've managed to come up with five. Flash, at least as we know it today, is clearly on the way out. | null | 0 | 1316086074 | False | 0 | c2k1a4l | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1a4l | t1_c2k1896 | null | 1427602957 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316086142 | False | 0 | c2k1a9e | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1a9e | t1_c2k19na | null | 1427602958 | -8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | JL235 | null | > This means no Flash, no QuickTime, no PDF readers, and no Silverlight.
So this mean I won't get any more freezes, stuttering video, strange errors, broken browser key shortcuts or flash ads? : (
(edit: I actually always found Silverlight the least intrusive, and nicest, of them all). | null | 0 | 1316086149 | False | 0 | c2k1a9u | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1a9u | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427602958 | 99 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | KumbajaMyLord | null | Flash has already been booted to the back seat on iOS and despite that iOS devices are hugely popular. You don't need Flash for a great web experience and Microsoft ditching it is just a consequential step. | null | 0 | 1316086154 | False | 0 | c2k1aa3 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1aa3 | t1_c2k0s50 | null | 1427602958 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | b0dhi | null | >Why do you think Microsoft is moving away from it in Metro?
That's utterly retarded. To actually imply that Microsoft is doing something so it must be right...jesus fucking christ. Seriously, this subreddit can be unbelievably stupid sometimes. | null | 0 | 1316086160 | False | 0 | c2k1aag | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1aag | t1_c2k13y6 | null | 1427602958 | -6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zid | null | No, but I think it'd be quite easy to bait and switch. Suddenly there's a mono extension that only works on windows (extend), and the current features are then deprecated (extinguish). Now you're locked into windows for *web* access. | null | 0 | 1316086188 | False | 0 | c2k1abt | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1abt | t1_c2k14ne | null | 1427602958 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | pietervriesacker | null | I've heard about silverlight performing better, especially heard this about video, but I always uninstalled it when I saw it ended up on any of my computers because of my "ideological" stance on web plugins, the less market penetration the less chance they succeed as a plugin. (I've tried the same with Flash but I ended up missing too much content to my liking)
I'm okay with Silverlight and Flash used to develop non-web apps, although in my experience with Flash/air games they perform very badly compared to others
I am a Safari user and I don't know the details of how video is implemented in each browser, but as far as I know Safari uses the Quicktime plugin instead of separate code and codecs to display video in the browser? Since it doesn't affect other browsers and other users of the browsers (none has to download the quicktime plugin because Safari uses that to render video) I can't think of a reason right now I would be against this, are there any in your opinion? I'm actually pretty happy about being able to see a lot of codecs in the browser itself by installing Perian.
Another edit: FYI, I'm not downvoting you, I love a good discussion and although you have a different opinion you seem well informed on the subject. | null | 0 | 1316086231 | True | 0 | c2k1aed | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1aed | t1_c2k19l6 | null | 1427602960 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Rhomboid | null | I'm guessing that's because it's not their code. They licensed the Foxit SDK for the PDF viewer, so any issues with how it works are probably just forwarded upstream and they cross their fingers for a fix.
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True | [deleted] | null | while (code == math) { facepalms(); }
agreed that they're similar but totally different:
math > code
it's true that their common point is logic, but maths are much more complex than code ;)
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True | aaptel | null | Of course there's always the good ol' `M-x 3d-model-editor` in emacs.
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True | StoneCypher | null | > C and C++ are different languages. Just because C++ builds upon C doesn't mean that C should be part of C++ or vice versa
Commits to source for one nearly universally apply to the other.
> Because they look so much alike ohloh's tools sometimes cannot distinguish between C and C++.
Doesn't really matter: it's always one or the other, never both, and they're both competitive (one larger) than the language falsely being called #1 here.
> It talks about commits. Maybe Java developers need more commits to do things right. Or maybe C developers don't make small commits. etc. So, this statistic means everything and nothing.
I provided the statistic I believed in. This is not my statistic.
> Maybe this is because software written in C or C++ is more mature and needs less changing. Or maybe not
Speculate less. You can check this one: the projects in question are all Ohloh projects, and all have start dates. That you won't check doesn't mean it's inscrutable. | null | 0 | 1316086283 | False | 0 | c2k1aho | t3_kftz8 | null | t1_c2k1aho | t1_c2k0g9t | null | 1427602961 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316086297 | False | 0 | c2k1aiv | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1aiv | t1_c2k1abt | null | 1427602961 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | 3825 | null | there will be a 32 bit version of win8 though | null | 0 | 1316086389 | False | 0 | c2k1ap1 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1ap1 | t1_c2k130a | null | 1427602963 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dimmu_burger | null | Not sure they have to be idiots because of differing opinion. I don't agree with any of your posts in this thread but don't think you're and idiot because you feel a certain way about some piece of technology. Maybe a bit crass, but certainly not an idiot. What I am sure of, though, is that things like calling people names (idiots, fanboys, etc.) doesn't work well when trying to convey a point of view. | null | 0 | 1316086394 | False | 0 | c2k1ap5 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1ap5 | t1_c2k19q1 | null | 1427602963 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Igorivan2 | null | Do you really consider preemptive multitasking *irrelevant* for a smartphone?
That link shows *cooperative* multitasking. | null | 0 | 1316086408 | False | 0 | c2k1aq9 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1aq9 | t1_c2k1a9e | null | 1427602963 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316086434 | False | 0 | c2k1as0 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1as0 | t1_c2k1aed | null | 1427602963 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | pozorvlak | null | Doing maths is *harder* than coding, because there's no feedback. But otherwise they feel very similar to me :-) | null | 0 | 1316086436 | False | 0 | c2k1as4 | t3_kgbzq | null | t1_c2k1as4 | t1_c2k1agq | null | 1427602963 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | MarshallBanana | null | > EDIT: Had to use a bit.ly link because MSDN has fucking parenthesis in URLs.
Escape parentheses with backslashes. | null | 0 | 1316086436 | False | 0 | c2k1as5 | t3_kg44k | null | t1_c2k1as5 | t1_c2k0u0y | null | 1427602963 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | truthHIPS | null | Not on a tablet. MS has tried desktop-in-tablet-form how many times now? People clearly don't want that. | null | 0 | 1316086460 | False | 0 | c2k1ati | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1ati | t1_c2k1896 | null | 1427602964 | 23 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Silverlight sucks so who can blame them. | null | 0 | 1316086469 | False | 0 | c2k1au1 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1au1 | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427602964 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316086523 | False | 0 | c2k1ay1 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1ay1 | t1_c2k1aq9 | null | 1427602964 | -6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Gotebe | null | Exceptions.
Imagine the following sequence of events:
1. you delete state
2. "new whatever()" throws
3. (bad) whoever has "state" on his hands now has 0xdeadbeef and no way to realize that (in this case, an instance of the Player class).
Rule of thumb: pointer members like Player::state need to be handled carefully.
Furthermore, given the code as it is, even what I wrote is incorrect, because the rest of the Player doesn't handle NULL state, that is, it exhibits [minimal exception safety](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_handling#Exception_safety), whereas, by looking at the complete Player, it should have at least basic or (better) strong exception safety.
So indeed, correct way would be:
State* p = new whatever();
delete state;
state = p;
Here, first line can throw (we don't care unless we want the method to have no-throw guarantee, which would be highly unusual). Last two lines must be a no-throw zone (otherwise, we leak "p"). And indeed they are, because operator delete, destructor and primitive type assignment are no-throw operations (destructor, in particular, must be *written* in such a manner).
Final note: the above exhibits both basic and strong exception guarantee. Indeed, in practice, correcting to provide "basic" often provides "strong", just like here. | null | 0 | 1316086556 | False | 0 | c2k1b0b | t3_kfuqy | null | t1_c2k1b0b | t1_c2k16xv | null | 1427602975 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zid | null | Err, silverlight etc, sorry. | null | 0 | 1316086561 | False | 0 | c2k1b0l | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1b0l | t1_c2k1aiv | null | 1427602975 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | xmachina | null | Nice article. The computer is the extension of our brain. | null | 0 | 1316086584 | False | 0 | c2k1b1t | t3_kgbzq | null | t1_c2k1b1t | t3_kgbzq | null | 1427602965 | -7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316086602 | False | 0 | c2k1b34 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1b34 | t1_c2k1ap5 | null | 1427602965 | -8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zid | null | "This website is best viewed using Internet Explorer 5 with ActiveX enabled" is not a road I want to go down twice. | null | 0 | 1316086604 | False | 0 | c2k1b38 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1b38 | t1_c2k1aiv | null | 1427602965 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ima_coder | null | Self interest drives innovation. | null | 0 | 1316086605 | False | 0 | c2k1b39 | t3_kfuii | null | t1_c2k1b39 | t1_c2k15ds | null | 1427602965 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | pozorvlak | null | FWIW, I last used trigonometry about a week ago, and last automated a repetitive process yesterday. | null | 0 | 1316086614 | False | 0 | c2k1b3z | t3_kgbzq | null | t1_c2k1b3z | t1_c2k18bv | null | 1427602965 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rjw57 | null | I would say logical argument == reasoned discussion. It doesn't matter which you teach but it is all for naught unless you also teach reading and writing.
Similarly, maths == code but it is less useful unless you teach mathematical notation and the way to actually poke it *into* a computer. | null | 0 | 1316086616 | False | 0 | c2k1b48 | t3_kgbzq | null | t1_c2k1b48 | t1_c2k15xk | null | 1427602976 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | truthHIPS | null | fuck off google fanboy, no one's talking about your stupid shit. | null | 0 | 1316086618 | False | 0 | c2k1b4f | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1b4f | t1_c2k178h | null | 1427602976 | -8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316086666 | False | 0 | c2k1b7k | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1b7k | t1_c2k1b0l | null | 1427602967 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | 3825 | null | I fail to see your sarcasm... | null | 0 | 1316086746 | False | 0 | c2k1bd5 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1bd5 | t1_c2k1b4f | null | 1427602969 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | trezor2 | null | You linked to the Italian localized MSDN-page, but that's cool. At least for now, until they get it translated :P | null | 0 | 1316086761 | False | 0 | c2k1be1 | t3_kful5 | null | t1_c2k1be1 | t3_kful5 | null | 1427602969 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Rhomboid | null | > Odds are Adobe will add Flash support to IE10 if it does show up there
It would be a neat trick to see Adobe write a plugin for a browser that doesn't support plugins. Maybe involving a time machine of some sort? Or necromancy?
| null | 0 | 1316086789 | False | 0 | c2k1bg1 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1bg1 | t1_c2k19y8 | null | 1427602972 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | 3825 | null | would you not rather let a full blown app handle pdf files instead? | null | 0 | 1316086792 | False | 0 | c2k1bgf | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1bgf | t1_c2k17ty | null | 1427602972 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | day_cq | null | nah, teach kids math instead. | null | 0 | 1316086812 | False | 0 | c2k1bhu | t3_kgbzq | null | t1_c2k1bhu | t3_kgbzq | null | 1427602972 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dimmu_burger | null | Apparently, you missed my point. | null | 0 | 1316086819 | False | 0 | c2k1bib | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1bib | t1_c2k1b34 | null | 1427602974 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | chewbaka025 | null | Then why they installe it on my PC along with Live Messegner even if I unmarked the checkbox? I bet that if I try to uninstalll I'll get a blue screen. | null | 0 | 1316086875 | False | 0 | c2k1bm8 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1bm8 | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427602976 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | truthHIPS | null | Remember that silly joke that used to be all over the front page "How do you know if someone has an iDevice? They'll tell you". Well, how do you know someone is a google fanboy? Because they can't stfu about google stuff. hater could have said "there are browsers that renders PDFs just fine without plugins". No reason to say "hey everybody! I use **Chrome**!!" | null | 0 | 1316086894 | False | 0 | c2k1bns | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1bns | t1_c2k1bd5 | null | 1427602978 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zid | null | Then you are ignoring every past action Microsoft has ever taken. You are ignoring evidence on such a broad scale you would refuse to believe there actually IS a moon. | null | 0 | 1316086926 | False | 0 | c2k1bpo | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1bpo | t1_c2k1b7k | null | 1427602978 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | elperroborrachotoo | null | Reminds me fo the social evolution geekery breakout in "Snow Crash". | null | 0 | 1316086983 | False | 0 | c2k1btf | t3_kgbzq | null | t1_c2k1btf | t1_c2k10oc | null | 1427602987 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | same story since 10 years :)
flash hatters have always been there, and probably because they can't use itor have experienced flash stuff that really sux and kills the browser (annoying ads on torrent or streaming sites, flashy banners, etc ...)
this troll is worse than emacs vs vi. and all that jazz.
what makes me smile is that M$ is killing it's own plugin, I say well done, and good luck to silverlight developers
:~) | null | 0 | 1316086988 | False | 0 | c2k1btx | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1btx | t1_c2k1975 | null | 1427602987 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Gotebe | null | I guess they did the split for:
1. the browser; browser is like a complete desktop OS for many-a-user anyhow
2. developers, who can now write exactly one code for both tablet, desktop, etc.
3. eye-candy-hungry (read: gullible) public, as a marketing point. | null | 0 | 1316087027 | False | 0 | c2k1bw5 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1bw5 | t1_c2k1154 | null | 1427602980 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nemtrif | null | > Are you aware that it basically relegated C++ to niche applications and systems programming?
http://www.lextrait.com/vincent/implementations.html | null | 0 | 1316087042 | False | 0 | c2k1bx5 | t3_kcwx2 | null | t1_c2k1bx5 | t1_c2jwwit | null | 1427602980 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Tordek | null | It's pronounced like "Eric", right? | null | 0 | 1316087096 | False | 0 | c2k1c0r | t3_kgaop | null | t1_c2k1c0r | t1_c2k0xdf | null | 1428194037 | 27 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | schveiguy | null | I did not mean you, I meant whoever made the phone call. The problem with this, and why it keeps coming up is we have a one-sided story without another complementary side. All I ever have seen is what Walter has said, and what people like you have said. The stories are conflicting, but only one of them was *actually on the phone*. Your "side" of the story is speculation based on hearsay (I assume, since you have not identified yourself as a call participant). Why can't the other party just report what happened, even if just to clear Tango's name? I also find it hard to believe since all this is coming out *now* instead of when it happened.
I have no reason to believe what Walter said was not true. He has not lied to me before about anything (and yes, I have spoken to him personally about this issue, being very upset when it happened since it was my code in question), and he seems to avoid making speculative statements. In this game of he-said she-said (well, maybe it's a she, I don't know!), all we have to go on is past experience with the individuals. I believe you have heard that the phone conversation went differently than Walter's account. What I *don't* necessarily believe is that what you heard was based on a factual rendition of the phone call(s).
Besides, if you think Walter's statements are false, why would you depend on him to tell the "real" story?
Yes, I agree we can go in circles, but one truth remains evident -- Walter's statements are public and not ambiguous, while the other party's statements are hidden behind levels of hearsay and rumor. It's no contest in my mind who is accurate, unless this situation changes.
> Plus the whole relicensing is a separate matter, so let's not mix it up even more.
This was the proposed solution to the situation by Walter and Lars (to relicense the time code). If there was no infringement (as you claim), relicensing did not matter. It simply revealed more about the attitude of Tango's devs. It was an integral part of the story IMO.
> You may believe whatever the heck you want, but if you force your beliefs upon others, expect opposition.
Right back at ya ;) | null | 0 | 1316087107 | False | 0 | c2k1c1l | t3_kaxjq | null | t1_c2k1c1l | t1_c2jwdzr | null | 1427602991 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Igorivan2 | null | Do you even know what preemptive multitasking means on an operating system level? To put it in terms you might be able to relate to: Windows Phone is like Windows 3.11 when iOS and Android are like Windows NT. Processes on Win 3.11 could easily take down the entire OS. The same is true for WP7. That is one of the reasons Microsoft doesn't give developers access to native code – forcing the use of Silverlight. | null | 0 | 1316087167 | False | 0 | c2k1c5q | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1c5q | t1_c2k1ay1 | null | 1427602990 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | i dont know why they block java applets. thats dumb. personally i havent used a java applet in years, but that's a poor excuse. google is always full of shit.
flash isnt for windows, its for the web... mac os flash support is worse because apple is pushing h.264... linux support sux because linux just sucks as a desktop and nobody cares enough to fix it?
you can't get rid of flash that easy... what part of the html spec allows for mixed raster/vector animation with timelines, integrated scripting, etc.. sure theres canvas, but it's pretty limited... doesn't compare to flash in any sense, can't be synched to audio, etc... find me a part of the html spec that will accomplish this without HEAVY use of javascript and all sorts of libraries and hacks...
can we do without those features? sure. is it practical? maybe.. but alot of design artists will be saying this is a step backwards. personally, as a dev i could care less if flash survives.
ms has a stake in silverlight/future of dotnet.. so no wonder theyre not particularly partial to flash. google is trying to adopt a similar pattern with GO/Dart... so it doesnt surprise me at all. | null | 0 | 1316087175 | False | 0 | c2k1c68 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1c68 | t1_c2k1a4l | null | 1427602990 | -14 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316087178 | False | 0 | c2k1c6g | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1c6g | t1_c2k1bpo | null | 1427602990 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316087201 | False | 0 | c2k1c82 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1c82 | t1_c2k1bib | null | 1427602991 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zid | null | >I think you have a problem with giving microsoft a second chance.
Second does not even come close. | null | 0 | 1316087254 | False | 0 | c2k1cbu | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1cbu | t1_c2k1c6g | null | 1427602991 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316087337 | False | 0 | c2k1ci4 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1ci4 | t1_c2k1bg1 | null | 1427602993 | -7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | pozorvlak | null | Why do you think I was in that bit of the British Museum in the first place? :-) | null | 0 | 1316087405 | False | 0 | c2k1cmd | t3_kgbzq | null | t1_c2k1cmd | t1_c2k1btf | null | 1427603002 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | flashpimp | null | Is the Metro UI Microsoft's attempt at building a walled garden? | null | 0 | 1316087458 | False | 0 | c2k1cq3 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1cq3 | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427602994 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316087496 | False | 0 | c2k1css | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1css | t1_c2k1c5q | null | 1427602995 | -6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316087517 | False | 0 | c2k1cue | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1cue | t1_c2k1cbu | null | 1427602995 | -7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | A_for_Anonymous | null | Yup, and you know what's the best of it all? You don't need Windows for all three. | null | 0 | 1316087530 | False | 0 | c2k1cv2 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1cv2 | t1_c2k1bw5 | null | 1427602995 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | jetbean | null | How's Mac OS X running on VM ? What kind of hardware do you have? Did you have to do any special tweaks to make it work properly?
I installed it and on my machine it lags a lot (core 2 duo p8400 2.26GHz at 3GB). | null | 0 | 1316087604 | False | 0 | c2k1d06 | t3_kewkd | null | t1_c2k1d06 | t1_c2jtxlh | null | 1427602997 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | johnwaterwood | null | Haha, yes :p | null | 0 | 1316087635 | False | 0 | c2k1d2j | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2k1d2j | t1_c2jvk4q | null | 1427602997 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zid | null | THE MOON ISN'T REAL! | null | 0 | 1316087674 | False | 0 | c2k1d5h | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1d5h | t1_c2k1cue | null | 1427602999 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mastry0da | null | occam's razor... orrrr its just linux! | null | 0 | 1316087762 | False | 0 | c2k1dbs | t3_kejfs | null | t1_c2k1dbs | t1_c2jxq5w | null | 1427603000 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | This Metro shit looks rediculous. Are they seriously planning to release a bad tablet UI for desktops? They're gonna reverse that before it's release.
This is as bad an idea as Gnome 3 or Unity. | null | 0 | 1316087798 | True | 0 | c2k1del | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1del | t1_c2k1cq3 | null | 1427603001 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | EdgarVerona | null | The really amazing thing to see was that screenshot-to-code debugging capability. I almost peed myself when they showed that. That's not only absolutely amazing, it's useful and practical. I only wish I could dig in and see how they did it. I imagine they must've copied the entire state if the app at that specific point in time, along with the full stack of the last rendering pass? I'm just speculating... but that was awesome. | null | 0 | 1316087803 | False | 0 | c2k1dez | t3_kg44k | null | t1_c2k1dez | t3_kg44k | null | 1427603001 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | 5-4-3-2-1-bang | null | PDF is such a ubiquitous format that I'd rather the browser handle it to be honest. I'm already going to be patching my browser 15X a day for security updates; no big deal if it goes to 20 or 25. But patching a separate program is yet another maintenance task that the average user isn't likely to do. (The thought is that at least with built in windows programs, there is some chance the user will wind up patched, if the default is to download and apply patches automatically.) | null | 0 | 1316087817 | False | 0 | c2k1dfw | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1dfw | t1_c2k1bgf | null | 1427603011 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zid | null | > Well the idiots
Apparently not. | null | 0 | 1316087826 | False | 0 | c2k1dgb | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1dgb | t1_c2k1bib | null | 1427603011 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | diadem | null | Why is this being upvoted when we know this is just editorial bullshit? I mean just because one department doesn't use silverlight doesn't mean the Windows Phone department or IE department's won't.
Don't get me wrong, it is possible Silverlight and WPF could be phased out eventually (they did move Mr. Guthrie to Azure after all), but this article seems sensationalist and misleading. | null | 0 | 1316087831 | False | 0 | c2k1dgm | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1dgm | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427603011 | 31 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | pietervriesacker | null | Hmm, no, does the Quicktime plugin ship with the Safari browser the same way Flash ships with Chrome? I never heard about that. I'd be against that. I don't know if I know enough about this to discuss it in detail, I could be wrong about anything of this, it comes out of my memory of blog posts and articles, I'm having trouble looking the information up again right now.
I think I've read that Safari uses a Quicktime plugin or simply Quicktime code to display videos in <video> tags, I believe other browsers render these videos in some other way independent of Quicktime or other software. I'm okay with this because this doesn't "hurt" the web in my view, it doesn't affect anyone but the end user of Safari. It's like if a browser would decide to show <video> tags by showing these videos in a Flash container, noone would know about it but the users of these browsers. Noone would become dependent on Flash to see the video content on the web.
That's what I was talking about when I said I'm okay with Quicktime being built into Safari. I'm not okay with plugins being built into browsers because this makes developers take them for granted, use them more and forget about people that might not have them installed too easily.
So in the end I guess my opinion is there's nothing wrong per-sé with plugins being built into the browser but the end result means people will become dependent on it too easily and this hurts the openness of the web. Parts of it become inaccessible to people who aren't able or willing to install certain plugins. And I think making everything accessible for everyone is exactly why the W3's standards have been constantly rising in popularity over the years. | null | 0 | 1316087843 | False | 0 | c2k1dhm | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1dhm | t1_c2k1as0 | null | 1427603011 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dimmu_burger | null | You don't have to be polite. You also don't have to be a dick. Generally, when someone is comfortable with their stance, knowing and feeling that is enough. When you start insulting people (whether retaliatory or not), you lose credibility thereby hampering any weight you might lend to your opinion.
When you tell someone "the sun rises in the east, shitface" that someone isn't going to be all like "interesting, I thought it rose in the north", they're going to be all "I'm not a shitface, this guys a dick, fuck his opinion". Crude example, but I'm on the toilet. | null | 0 | 1316087855 | False | 0 | c2k1dif | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1dif | t1_c2k1c82 | null | 1427603004 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316087862 | False | 0 | c2k1div | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1div | t1_c2k1d5h | null | 1427603004 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | toru | null | Multithreaded programming... unlocked! | null | 0 | 1316087950 | False | 0 | c2k1dp2 | t3_kgdeg | null | t1_c2k1dp2 | t3_kgdeg | null | 1427603006 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | arixx | null | Yea, I noticed that, too. It doesn't bother me much, never use the menu to begin with. Keyboard shortcuts and the context menu are much more efficient. | null | 0 | 1316088052 | False | 0 | c2k1dwd | t3_kejwo | null | t1_c2k1dwd | t1_c2k0w36 | null | 1427603021 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ceolceol | null | It's still their responsibility to release working, stable programs. I've never had a problem with their PDF viewer on OS X or Windows, though. | null | 0 | 1316088112 | False | 0 | c2k1e0g | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1e0g | t1_c2k1aga | null | 1427603012 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bumble012 | null | Why is jabberwock getting downvoted. Please remember your reddiquette and only downvote those who contribute nothing to the conversation. | null | 0 | 1316088118 | False | 0 | c2k1e0v | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1e0v | t1_c2k12og | null | 1427603012 | 16 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | toddffw | null | I don't give a shit about Microsoft either way,
but your last word chess analogies are imbecilic. | null | 0 | 1316088189 | False | 0 | c2k1e64 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1e64 | t1_c2k15ti | null | 1427603014 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316088205 | False | 0 | c2k1e7h | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1e7h | t1_c2k1dif | null | 1427603014 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | keithslater | null | Why do you say silverlight sucks? | null | 0 | 1316088217 | False | 0 | c2k1e8l | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1e8l | t1_c2k1au1 | null | 1427603014 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316088238 | False | 0 | c2k1ean | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1ean | t1_c2k1e64 | null | 1427603015 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | throwaway-123456 | null | You can still write apps in WPF/C#. That *is* silverlight, if only a different name. XAML is here to stay, after all Visual Studio is written in WPF/XAML. They are not about to kill Visual Studio. | null | 0 | 1316088272 | False | 0 | c2k1ecy | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1ecy | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427603016 | 11 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | toddffw | null | Are you missing the point? They CAN. That is the problem. Obviously it would be a suicidal move, but a developer can't risk it. | null | 0 | 1316088381 | False | 0 | c2k1eln | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1eln | t1_c2k1621 | null | 1427603019 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kolmogorovcomplex | null | > I think you have a problem with giving microsoft a second chance.
You're either naive or too young to really know their history. Trusting Microsoft in any way is a very bad idea.
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