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True | Dr9 | null | Just because Silverlight is implemented as a plug-in for IE - doesn't mean it can't be 'native' in the Metro browser (god that is an awful name, conjures up Calvin Klein male models looking bored doesn't it?)
The thing is going to have a native PDF reader (an adobe technology product) - so, why wouldn't it (a microsoft browser) not have built-in Silverlight?
| null | 0 | 1316094257 | False | 0 | c2k1vkl | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1vkl | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427603250 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bloodwine | null | Netflix is a bad example of wanting local apps, because apps would have to be developed for each and every platform. The problem with Silverlight is that you are S.O.L. if you are running Linux or webOS. I hope Netflix is working on a replacement for their Silverlight streams that will work on damn near every modern device with a browser. I understand they went with Silverlight instead of Flash due to DRM. I haven't researched HTML5 video to know if DRM is supported. | null | 0 | 1316094317 | False | 0 | c2k1vsf | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1vsf | t1_c2k1u3w | null | 1427603252 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316094350 | False | 0 | c2k1vwt | t3_kggm6 | null | t1_c2k1vwt | t3_kggm6 | null | 1427603262 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | faintdeception | null | So basically we'll still be able to make silverlight apps without the plugin part?
Just like we do on windows phone 7?
I'm not really seeing the loss here, am I the only one? | null | 0 | 1316094368 | False | 0 | c2k1vz8 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1vz8 | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427603254 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Kwpolska | null | Will IE die already? Great. | null | 0 | 1316094371 | False | 0 | c2k1vzl | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1vzl | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427603254 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | I'm sure you'll be able to install VS without it. A lot of the features are modular. | null | 0 | 1316094405 | False | 0 | c2k1w4a | t3_kg44k | null | t1_c2k1w4a | t1_c2k0w4t | null | 1427603256 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Kapow751 | null | I downvoted him for making shit up and smugly dismissing everyone who dislikes Silverlight as ignorant closed-minded sheep. Do you think a complete lie like "Flash and others will come pre-installed on your tablet windows 8 device" should be the second thing in the comments section? | null | 0 | 1316094449 | False | 0 | c2k1wae | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1wae | t1_c2k1e0v | null | 1427603259 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | gnuvince | null | Does Tart have sum types? I like what I see, but it seems that a lot of new languages (except functional languages) lack those. | null | 0 | 1316094497 | False | 0 | c2k1wgs | t3_kfvm7 | null | t1_c2k1wgs | t3_kfvm7 | null | 1427603261 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | panfist | null | Just because Silverlight was better than some other crappy thing does not make it good. | null | 0 | 1316094500 | False | 0 | c2k1whf | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1whf | t1_c2k1pct | null | 1427603261 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | AliasUndercover | null | Another big "fuck-you" from MS! | null | 0 | 1316094501 | False | 0 | c2k1whp | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1whp | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427603262 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | aslate | null | Whilst I'm really happy that XAML and C# are here to stay, the point of Silverlight was to provide an in-browser and *cross platform* (we can argue about that bit later) version of the Compact .NET framework.
When the world started going in-browser it really started to kill the demand for full blown WPF applications in the area where I work. Rich applications that customers use have to be deliverable in browser, leaving you with the limited options of HTML/JS, Adobe Flex/Flash and Silverlight.
Building enterprise level web apps in something as loose as HTML/JS isn't fun. I want modularity, type safety and a decent development environment. The marginalisation of Silverlight is dissappointing in that regard. | null | 0 | 1316094521 | False | 0 | c2k1wk3 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1wk3 | t1_c2k1ecy | null | 1427603262 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | onebit | null | Nobody is going to use this Metro thing. | null | 0 | 1316094551 | False | 0 | c2k1woe | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1woe | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427603262 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | >The only reason it was guaranteed to never work on Linux is because the open source community went all huff'n'puff and refused to support Moonlight, claimed Microsoft would sue (after 7 years they still haven't)
Because it's the responsibility of every other platform developers to develop their own versions of a closed, commercial Microsoft product just because Microsoft is so awesome?
Ha, ha, ha.
You seriously don't see the flaw in this?
Silverlight is against open standards from the get go and I don't just see why should I support a product no matter how brilliant it is if it locks me down to a single company platform. | null | 0 | 1316094613 | False | 0 | c2k1wxn | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1wxn | t1_c2k12zo | null | 1427603268 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | RizzlaPlus | null | it's irrational, which is not possible to represent on a computer. | null | 0 | 1316094636 | False | 0 | c2k1x0n | t3_kgbzq | null | t1_c2k1x0n | t1_c2k1ufg | null | 1427603271 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kalmakka | null | Instead you'll get
alert('Please buy our product');
alert('Please buy our product');
alert('Please buy our product');
alert('Please buy our product'); | null | 0 | 1316094746 | False | 0 | c2k1xfy | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1xfy | t1_c2k1kmn | null | 1427603284 | 34 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | tau-lepton | null | You are right of course. I've always wished they would write more applications in .Net, and that has gotten better. But I do worry that the developer tools group at Microsoft may be in a weaker position than I would like.
P.S. I have sincere admiration for Anders Hejlsberg. | null | 0 | 1316094763 | False | 0 | c2k1xib | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1xib | t1_c2k1tdc | null | 1427603276 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | f_lynx | null | If I can't distinguish a **new language** from another (especially the C family) in under 5 seconds then I'm not looking at it again.
And especially if I see the words "... convenience of Python and Ruby..." in the first paragraphs of the docs.
If you are basing the syntax and structure on something, be frank and say it up front!
...like Google did with *Go*, though it falls in here too, but at least they did not force me to go hunting for a code snippit that's *not C-like* after I read "like Ruby/Python" and "unlike C/C++" in the same context.
DISCLAIMER: the only family this might not touch as hard are Lisps, mostly due to the fact that they are Lisps -- dialects rather than 100% independent designs.
DISCLAIMER2: yes I'm ranting about syntax, but if someone is designing something from the ground up, why not use something cleaner than the C family and go for something like ML or SmallTalk, clear and simple (again Lisps escape this because they pay for the syntax' ugliness with almost unmatched flexibility and simplicity). | null | 0 | 1316094779 | True | 0 | c2k1xkt | t3_kfvm7 | null | t1_c2k1xkt | t3_kfvm7 | null | 1428194020 | -4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | That was, of course, aggravated by the effects of reddit/HN/etc previously
linking to this bike-shed-color bug... :)
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True | __j_random_hacker | null | Women worry too much! A man would just be happy with his pile of 100 rocks. | null | 0 | 1316094817 | False | 0 | c2k1xqo | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k1xqo | t1_c2k1o1m | null | 1427603286 | 85 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316094824 | False | 0 | c2k1xrf | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1xrf | t1_c2k1t3w | null | 1427603286 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zid | null | Silverlight, not flash. | null | 0 | 1316094863 | False | 0 | c2k1xwl | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1xwl | t1_c2k1s06 | null | 1427603296 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | their hate for webgl has always seemed to be rooted in promoting silverlight. hopefully this means they'll finally start supporting it. | null | 0 | 1316094879 | False | 0 | c2k1xz8 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1xz8 | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427603289 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cannontrodder | null | I down voted him because he decided to tell us all what 'howto' was thinking and why he was thinking it. Pretty impressive extrapolation from one line of text. The fact he's decided that everyone else is 'arrogant', 'self-righteous' and 'idiots' and that he's leaving the sub-reddit makes me think he's adding NOTHING to the conversation. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, mate. | null | 0 | 1316094897 | False | 0 | c2k1y26 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1y26 | t1_c2k1e0v | null | 1427603295 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | You seem not to understand how DRM works. It's impossible *by design* for a non-trusted party to make a DRM enabled client.
The original suggestion was that Microsoft influenced netflix to move away from Flash, which worked on linux, to Silverlight, which doesn't. | null | 0 | 1316094903 | False | 0 | c2k1y37 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1y37 | t1_c2k1sia | null | 1427603295 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | axilmar | null | Please do tell.
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True | SomethingOrange | null | He started off with a rational discussion. Then he devolved into BS like this. "Maybe involving a time machine of some sort? Or necromancy?" Then he was rightfully pissed on. | null | 0 | 1316094952 | False | 0 | c2k1yaj | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1yaj | t1_c2k1h73 | null | 1427603291 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | pnpbios | null | > Netflix is a bad example of wanting local apps, because apps would have to be developed for each and every platform.
They already are. The net effect on windows would be one less click to get where you want.
> The problem with Silverlight is that you are S.O.L. if you are running Linux or webOS.
Yup.
> I hope Netflix is working on a replacement for their Silverlight streams that will work on damn near every modern device with a browser.
I hope sega puts out a console that will put the xbox 360 to shame. That's probably not going to happen either.
> I understand they went with Silverlight instead of Flash due to DRM. I haven't researched HTML5 video to know if DRM is supported.
HTML5 does not directly support DRM, but it won't prevent you from doing it either. But lets also consider that the HTML5 spec isn't finalized yet.
http://www.w3.org/html/wiki/FAQs#Is_there_support_for_digital_rights_management_.28DRM.29_in_HTML5_video.3F | null | 0 | 1316094953 | False | 0 | c2k1yaq | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1yaq | t1_c2k1vsf | null | 1427603291 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | criticismguy | null | Have you tried this? I have, and (as of iOS 4.3) it seems pretty much impossible. The JIT runtime isn't used, so the speed is much worse than Safari. Many of the HTML5 features that make this possible, like caching and storage and icons, work consistently in desktop Webkit browsers or even mobile Safari but inconsistently or not at all when made into a home-screen icon. Some features assume you will always have a network connection, which means the app could simply fail to launch if you don't have connectivity.
[iOS 5 promises to fix](http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/06/ios-5-brings-nitro-speed-to-home-screen-web-apps.ars) at least some of the issues, so we'll see if it works then. I agree that this is the way it *should* work, but you can't really blame app developers, because it *doesn't* work that way today. | null | 0 | 1316094976 | False | 0 | c2k1ye0 | t3_kg2sg | null | t1_c2k1ye0 | t1_c2jz4ax | null | 1427603293 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Again, no. In Java and similar languages, an Integer null is the same as a Bool null is the same as a ArrayList null, and so on. From the point of view of the programmer, there's a single null that inhabits *every* reference type. This is not true in Haskell, where trying to typecheck (Nothing :: Maybe Int) == (Nothing :: Maybe Bool) causes an error. | null | 0 | 1316094978 | False | 0 | c2k1yed | t3_kfvm7 | null | t1_c2k1yed | t1_c2k1tjk | null | 1427603293 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | masterblastercaster | null | Yes, but then I'd be coding in Java creating an oxymoron. | null | 0 | 1316095031 | False | 0 | c2k1ylj | t3_kfiuk | null | t1_c2k1ylj | t3_kfiuk | null | 1427603298 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | trimalchio-worktime | null | This almost certainly won't happen. Microsoft is always making these big bold claims about what their next release is going to be like, saying things about getting rid of support for certain legacy technologies and shit like that, but they never do it. Their new releases always sound like green pastures of code that works about 3-4 years before they're released, but when they finally come out they're the same damn OS as before with a new coat of paint. | null | 0 | 1316095034 | False | 0 | c2k1ylx | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1ylx | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427603298 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Pi is a [computable number](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computable_number). | null | 0 | 1316095132 | False | 0 | c2k1yz8 | t3_kgbzq | null | t1_c2k1yz8 | t1_c2k1x0n | null | 1427603305 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Rhomboid | null | Yes, I have the inside knowledge of a public blog post from someone at Microsoft saying things like this:
> For the web to move forward and for consumers to get the most out of touch-first browsing, the Metro style browser in Windows 8 is as HTML5-only as possible, and plug-in free. The experience that plug-ins provide today is not a good match with Metro style browsing and the modern HTML5 web.
>
> Running Metro style IE plug-in free improves battery life as well as security, reliability, and privacy for consumers. Plug-ins were important early on in the web’s history. But the web has come a long way since then with HTML5. Providing compatibility with legacy plug-in technologies would detract from, rather than improve, the consumer experience of browsing in the Metro style UI.
If they have come to the decision to evangelize and get behind HTML5 for the desktop experience why would they turn around and ever let anyone put Flash on their mobile IE10, especially when there's no backwards compatibility argument for it like there is on the desktop. | null | 0 | 1316095134 | False | 0 | c2k1yzg | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1yzg | t1_c2k1s0m | null | 1427603305 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | superwinner | null | >open source community refused to support Moonlight, claimed Microsoft would sue...
Yeah, they've certainly never done anything like that before... nor have they even made it apparent that they consider open source their mortal enemy or anything like that. | null | 0 | 1316095139 | False | 0 | c2k1z08 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1z08 | t1_c2k12zo | null | 1427603305 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bloodwine | null | I agree with the fact that Microsoft hasn't eaten much their own dogfood does have some people worried. However, I am going to remain optimistic that .Net is big enough to survive and thrive in the foreseeable future.
Anders is a language god. The first language I learned after BASIC was Turbo Pascal and then I moved on to Delphi. | null | 0 | 1316095212 | False | 0 | c2k1za2 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1za2 | t1_c2k1xib | null | 1427603304 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dbeta | null | How is it not easier to make PDF.js work with your existing software than make an entire new renderer for PDFs? PDF is not a simple standard, why not let one person create a universal PDF renderer using technologies the browsers already have?
I honestly don't see how having at least 5 different people implement the same system differently is less work. The PDF.js has all 5 major browsers working together to make a single implementation. | null | 0 | 1316095255 | False | 0 | c2k1zg5 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1zg5 | t1_c2k1rl0 | null | 1427603305 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Abstrct | null | We have started a #Schemaverse irc channel on irc.freenode.net to discuss the game if anybody needs help. | null | 0 | 1316095265 | True | 0 | c2k1zhm | t3_keiy5 | null | t1_c2k1zhm | t3_keiy5 | null | 1427603305 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | OriginalSyn | null | Pretty sure advanced PDFs with forms are proprietary Adobe stuff and not actually part of the PDF spec. | null | 0 | 1316095296 | False | 0 | c2k1zml | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1zml | t1_c2k1loa | null | 1427603306 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316095323 | False | 0 | c2k1zqn | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k1zqn | t3_kgfhb | null | 1427603307 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | A_for_Anonymous | null | People actually use 1% to 5% the functionality of MSOffice, and that's if they actually require a word processor, spreadsheet and presentation software (many home users don't). Indeed it's about time they'll discover Google Docs (which will keep getting better) or LibreOffice and see they don't need more than that. | null | 0 | 1316095359 | False | 0 | c2k1zw5 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k1zw5 | t1_c2k1mph | null | 1427603309 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316095411 | False | 0 | c2k2034 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k2034 | t1_c2k1yzg | null | 1427603309 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | JL235 | null | > If you want to call that "blocking" then you're right, Chrome blocks plug-ins.
By default, applets do not run. They are blocked. The non-default option is to unblock.
I'd concede the way I've worded it makes it sound worse then it is. For example it isn't as intrusive as how IE now blocks VBScript and ActiveX by default. But technically there is no difference; both block, by default, until the user enables. | null | 0 | 1316095414 | False | 0 | c2k203r | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k203r | t1_c2k1q8f | null | 1427603309 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | nemoTheKid | null | Why bother with Windows on ARM? You essentially lose most of the advantages by getting a "Desktop" OS when you port Windows to ARM because you lose all the applications. And yeah, CPUs+Batteries will get more efficient overtime, but in IT-Time, batteries have remained largely stagnant and x86 still has a huge power draw. In 5 years, iOS will be another beast, that will probably still beat any x86 offering on the tablet space. IMO, MS is making a mistake trying to force Windows on the tablet. What happened to the HP Slate that Ballmer was gloating with? as far as I can see, tablets are just not full OS devices. | null | 0 | 1316095419 | False | 0 | c2k204c | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k204c | t1_c2k1vcc | null | 1427603309 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316095468 | False | 0 | c2k20ab | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k20ab | t1_c2k1wxn | null | 1427603311 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | lpetrazickis | null | It's possible that the "no plugins" quote is in reference to browser toolbars, not to embedded stuff. | null | 0 | 1316095511 | False | 0 | c2k20gf | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k20gf | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427603311 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ascii | null | You're ignoring Win2k, quite possibly the best version of Windows ever released. | null | 0 | 1316095529 | False | 0 | c2k20j6 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k20j6 | t1_c2k1pk0 | null | 1427603312 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | KumbajaMyLord | null | I completely agree.
Computers are just very sophisticated machines and not everyone needs to be know how to "service and maintain" one. Everyone should understand the basic principles (by learning math), just like everyone should understand the basics of how a car works (by learning physics and chemistry). | null | 0 | 1316095537 | False | 0 | c2k20k6 | t3_kgbzq | null | t1_c2k20k6 | t1_c2k1v65 | null | 1427603312 | -2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316095594 | False | 0 | c2k20ro | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k20ro | t1_c2k1y26 | null | 1427603313 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316095635 | False | 0 | c2k20xv | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k20xv | t1_c2k1vbz | null | 1427603314 | -1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Stormflux | null | >So you're basically saying you're proud to have avoided silverlight without knowing anything about it and never trying it (i.e. the moment of release)? I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Reddit rewards such proud claims to arrogance with votes.
Considering that some of us were working in different industries at the time, I take offense to your implication that anyone who didn't use Silverlight the moment it was released is somehow arrogant and closed minded. I bet you weren't up on the latest FAA regulations in 2007, but you don't see me condescending to you. | null | 0 | 1316095687 | False | 0 | c2k215t | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k215t | t1_c2k12og | null | 1427603315 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | DerkaRagnarr | null | This helps a lot. But I still don't understand why the first example isn't NP. (The woman with the rocks.)
If she found a way to make the rocks into two equal piles, couldn't a computer just add up the rocks in each pile to determine if they are equal? (Making it an NP problem). | null | 0 | 1316095710 | False | 0 | c2k219a | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k219a | t3_kgfhb | null | 1427603316 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | friedsushi87 | null | I've always had issues with Silverlight, having a 64 bit OS with 64 bit browsers, and Netflix has streaming issues.... | null | 0 | 1316095743 | False | 0 | c2k21e2 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k21e2 | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427603316 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | berlinbrown | null | We bring up NP and P, but they should mention what the P and NP are .
The P stands for a problem that can be solvable in polynomial time using a deterministic Turing machine. (I guess you have to simple wikipedia deterministic Turing machine)
A polynomial is an algebraic expression.
...
f(x) = x^2 − 4x + 7 is a polynomial function
Polynomial Time is O(n ^ k) (big Oh notation for those that didn't do Computer Science). The n is your number of operations and k is some exponent constant. So O(n ^ 10) is a really fucking large number of operations. It is a polynomial class of functions. O(1) is a really small constant number of operations (hash table lookup).
NP can be solved in polynomial time using a non-deterministic Turing machine.
There are also these distinct classifications which they didn't mention:
P
NP
NP complete
NP Hard
...
Edit: Let me ask Reddit, is it safe to say this? (Correct the comments below, add fuck to be more descriptive)
P -- Really fucking easy to solve AND CHECK the answers
NP -- NP problems are considered easy for computers to check the fucking answers
NP complete -- This is the fucking hardest problems to solve in NP
NP Hard -- At least as fucking hard to solve as NP Complete
| null | 0 | 1316095749 | True | 0 | c2k21et | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k21et | t3_kgfhb | null | 1427603316 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | icebraining | null | It's just a layer of abstraction less; It's *not* fundamentally different.
Let's take Reddit, Twitter, StatusNet, PHPBB/SimpleMachines/Vanilla forums: all of them can basically represent 90% of their data using the same concepts and actions:
- Get user profile
- Get user's messages
- Get categories/subforums
- Get topics from forum X
- Get messages from topic X
- Reply to message
You could perfectly have a standard protocol that achieved; in fact, HTTP + SIOC already solve almost everything.
This would enable generalist messaging clients that would save THOUSANDS of hours for developers and not forcing people to use N different clients because one supports X and the other Y.
Now, would this achieve *everything*? No, of course not, there's some specific features (Reddit's karma, Twitter followers list, etc) that aren't modeled by SIOC. But that's why RDF was designed to be *extensible* without breaking the base.
But this is not what we see. We see people constantly reinventing incompatible formats that encode the same information as existing ones except for a specific attribute or two, and which force people to waste their lives rewriting everything for this new service.
What we need is big players adopting them. Just see how fast recipes websites stated encoding their recipes with hRecipe just because it looks better on Google.
Ignorance and laziness is the problem, not technical difficulties. | null | 0 | 1316095757 | False | 0 | c2k21g8 | t3_kgbzq | null | t1_c2k21g8 | t1_c2k1ul6 | null | 1427603317 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | autumntheory | null | What's worse is now rather than just discussing the topic of programming of education, which may or may not be relevant in r/programming, you're discussing the acceptability of discussing programming of education in r/programming. If the former doesn't meet the criteria, the latter definitely doesn't :). | null | 0 | 1316095781 | False | 0 | c2k21jl | t3_kgbzq | null | t1_c2k21jl | t1_c2k1kgt | null | 1427603317 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | sbrown123 | null | >(edit: I actually always found Silverlight the least intrusive, and nicest, of them all).
I didn't have the same luck with Silverlight. Whenever I hit a site that used it it usually crashed my browser. If it didn't do that I found it took forever to load and do whatever it is that it is suppose to do. Then it might crash. Although I generally loath Flash I had far fewer issues with it (with the exception of it running on Android and Linux). | null | 0 | 1316095800 | False | 0 | c2k21m5 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k21m5 | t1_c2k1a9u | null | 1427603318 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cbaltzer | null | I have a P = NP tattoo, and used to reference people to the standard Wikipedia page. This is much less intimidating. | null | 0 | 1316095818 | False | 0 | c2k21oy | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k21oy | t3_kgfhb | null | 1427603318 | 12 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | platform for interactive media != platform for media | null | 0 | 1316095849 | False | 0 | c2k21t2 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k21t2 | t1_c2k1s7t | null | 1427603318 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | mschaef | null | And people give Emacs a hard time for being a 'kitchen sink' tool. | null | 0 | 1316095871 | False | 0 | c2k21w9 | t3_kg44k | null | t1_c2k21w9 | t3_kg44k | null | 1427603320 | 8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | lamine_ba | null | henk53>I found it interesting because it's a rendering of the kind of henk53>conversations that often happen between programmers, but that henk53>are not often written down.
Thank you for your clever analysis. That was really my goal.
Henk53> I'm sorry about the Moonlight confusion though...
I'm sorry for the title and I agree that is too bad but I didn't find anything else. The content is only useful if you try to implement to a cascading dropdown using JSF 2 and if you want to know what is going under the hoods.
| null | 0 | 1316095882 | False | 0 | c2k21xv | t3_kfu2n | null | t1_c2k21xv | t3_kfu2n | null | 1427603320 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | CowboyProgrammer | null | Long live HTML. | null | 0 | 1316095882 | False | 0 | c2k21y1 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k21y1 | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427603320 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | __j_random_hacker | null | The rocks problem *is* in NP *because* once you have proposed a solution (two separate piles), you could get a computer to add up the rocks in each pile in linear time. That is, you can quickly *check* that a proposed solution is correct. But despite much research, we don't know a way to get a computer to quickly *find* a solution (i.e. separate the original pile into two piles of equal size), so most people believe it's *not* in P. **Proving** that it's not (or is!) in P is the hard part.
There do exist problems that are outside of NP because you can't even quickly check if a proposed solution is right, but they aren't talked about on that Wikipedia page.
EDIT: Changed "rocks isn't in P" to "we believe but can't yet prove that rocks isn't in P". | null | 0 | 1316095956 | True | 0 | c2k229g | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k229g | t1_c2k219a | null | 1427603322 | 13 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cbaltzer | null | It is NP. Checking if the piles are equal is easy, but determining which piles to make is hard (have to try every combination and check). | null | 0 | 1316095962 | False | 0 | c2k22a6 | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k22a6 | t1_c2k219a | null | 1427603322 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | CowboyProgrammer | null | ME 2.0? | null | 0 | 1316095966 | False | 0 | c2k22at | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k22at | t1_c2k1del | null | 1427603322 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | unicock | null | The plugin model have been the only source for innovation on the web since the 90s. You might love or hate it, but html5 wouldn't exist without it, and it will be the only place you'll see anything new for the next decade until html6 arrive. | null | 0 | 1316095967 | False | 0 | c2k22ay | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k22ay | t1_c2k13y6 | null | 1427603322 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | dbeta | null | Maybe not, but consumers don't care. PDFs can do all kinds of stupid stuff like play videos or music. I have no idea why, but they can do it in Reader. Those type of things probably aren't spec either, but I'm sure someone would be pissed if they didn't have that feature. I forget my point.
People will complain if anything is even slightly off. | null | 0 | 1316095996 | False | 0 | c2k22eu | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k22eu | t1_c2k1zml | null | 1427603322 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | As an end-user I don't want another plug-in on my computer. That is the only argument you need to understand. | null | 0 | 1316096003 | False | 0 | c2k22fy | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k22fy | t1_c2k12zo | null | 1427603323 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | odinsbane | null | Why is this in programming? | null | 0 | 1316096004 | False | 0 | c2k22g2 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k22g2 | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427603323 | -3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | tau-lepton | null | Agreed, I've been using Linux as my primary OS for five years now, haven't missed Windows much. I'm so glad that the LibreOffice fork was created, I was worried when Oracle acquired OpenOffice.
When I (rarely) need a Windows machine I fire up a VM. The improvement in Linux desktop has been tremendous in the last five years.
Windows 7 was the first real improvement to Windows since 2001, and is definitely an improvement. But I can't see Microsoft keeping up as long as Balmer is in charge. I haven't used Windows 8 enough to tell if it is any better, but we should know pretty soon. | null | 0 | 1316096010 | False | 0 | c2k22gz | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k22gz | t1_c2k1zw5 | null | 1427603323 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | > > Browsers should already implement javascript in the same way
> It's clear that you don't really work with javascript or web technologies much, then, because they don't.
I'll just leave this here and go ahead and walk away. I've responded to all the points you've made. | null | 0 | 1316096046 | False | 0 | c2k22lu | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k22lu | t1_c2k1zg5 | null | 1427603325 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316096071 | False | 0 | c2k22pw | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k22pw | t1_c2k215t | null | 1427603326 | -5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | rizla7 | null | 'lose all the applications'??? what does ARM have to do with applications?... a full version of windows 8 will run on not only arm, but atom/i5/etc chips as well as a range of others... Apple does not do this... in 5 years iOS will not exist. it has lost the phone market to android and will now lose the tablet market to windows. tablets are laptops, believe it or not. as laptops get smaller/thinner, the natural progression is a tablet.. | null | 0 | 1316096097 | False | 0 | c2k22ti | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k22ti | t1_c2k204c | null | 1427603328 | 0 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | cbaltzer | null | NP Hard -- At [least as fucking hard](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NP-hard) to solve as NP Complete | null | 0 | 1316096107 | True | 0 | c2k22v1 | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k22v1 | t1_c2k21et | null | 1427603328 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | bakuretsu | null | Because when I think "top-tier development talent," the first font that springs into my mind is Comic Sans.
Also, I only hire programmers who are versed in all the most tired Internet memes. | null | 0 | 1316096110 | False | 0 | c2k22vl | t3_kgip9 | null | t1_c2k22vl | t3_kgip9 | null | 1427603328 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | kylegetsspam | null | Thank god Chrome lets you disable alerts when a page makes two. | null | 0 | 1316096120 | False | 0 | c2k22wy | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k22wy | t1_c2k1xfy | null | 1427603329 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Duraz0rz | null | Agreed! I think C++ AMP is going to be great to dip into the foray of GPGPU programming. I've been wanting to learn OpenCL for a while, but it's not very practical for me, and I couldn't find anything good tutorial-wise. Now with C++ AMP, it's just going to be much easier to do such things as quite a few programmers already have a good C++ understanding.
I don't think Microsoft is as evil as they used to be. They've changed a lot, even in these past 10 years, and yet people have taken a staunch stance against them as if they're destroying the computing world today. | null | 0 | 1316096128 | False | 0 | c2k22y4 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k22y4 | t1_c2k1vbz | null | 1427603329 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | AgentGotse | null | Actually, the Moonlight developers have openly stated that they would like to include the DRM bullshit crap into Moonlight and would do all of the development work required for free, but Microsoft has of course refused to support this. It is impossible for this to happen without the permission and help of Microsoft. I hope that even a gigantic fantroll as yourself will agree that this is a giant dick move on their behalf. | null | 0 | 1316096130 | False | 0 | c2k22ya | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k22ya | t1_c2k1sia | null | 1427603329 | 10 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ChaosPandion | null | Leave people's software alone dude. Your religious fanaticism is disgusting. | null | 0 | 1316096261 | False | 0 | c2k23ij | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k23ij | t1_c2k1qmv | null | 1427603337 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | DerkaRagnarr | null | So what exactly is the near impossible question? I had assumed that it was "Is there a problem that can be checked easily but not solved easily?"
But the rocks example is the answer to that, so I guess my assumption was incorrect? | null | 0 | 1316096267 | False | 0 | c2k23jl | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k23jl | t1_c2k229g | null | 1427603338 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Pxtl | null | Silverlight was quite obviously too little too late from Microsoft. It had negligible support for gaming, was coming out as AJAX/pure-HTML websites were ascendant, and was a Microsoft technology butting heads against the already spectacularly well-established and cross-platform Adobe Flash.
It was practically *guaranteed* to die on the vine for consumer use (obviously corporate usage is different where anything Microsoft is automatically viable). | null | 0 | 1316096273 | False | 0 | c2k23ks | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k23ks | t1_c2k12og | null | 1427603338 | 7 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | shoseki | null | Personally I think you're on cloud 9, but each to their own I suppose. My dad bought my mum an iPad2 as she technically illiterate, but I doubt she is going to suddenly dive online... where as he, the rest of my entire extended family, and 99% of the colleagues and aquaintences that I know all use PCs, with the odd exception. And they are a big mix of technical and non-technical users.
The device doesn't interest me in the slightest, it seems like a toy... an expensive semi-useless toy at that :S | null | 0 | 1316096279 | False | 0 | c2k23lo | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k23lo | t1_c2k1vcw | null | 1427603338 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | gregK | null | >NP Hard -- Hard to fucking solve but not as hard as NP complete?
really? P = NP does not resolve whether the NP-hard problems can be solved in polynomial time. | null | 0 | 1316096305 | False | 0 | c2k23q1 | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k23q1 | t1_c2k21et | null | 1427603340 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | axilmar | null | How come? the following code produces an error in Java:
Integer i = null;
Boolean b = null;
i == b; //error: incompatible types.
Same thing in C++:
int *i = 0;
bool *b = 0;
i == b; //error: no conversion from 'bool *' to 'int *'.
| null | 0 | 1316096320 | False | 0 | c2k23s6 | t3_kfvm7 | null | t1_c2k23s6 | t1_c2k1yed | null | 1427603340 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | macroexpand | null | Since P is a subset of NP, NP does not mean "Really fucking hard to solve". Some problems are definitely easy. | null | 0 | 1316096340 | False | 0 | c2k23ut | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k23ut | t1_c2k21et | null | 1427603344 | 9 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | berlinbrown | null | That is why I asked. How would I correct my comment. | null | 0 | 1316096340 | False | 0 | c2k23uv | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k23uv | t1_c2k23q1 | null | 1427603344 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | ZorbaTHut | null | > all of them can basically represent 90% of their data using the same concepts and actions
The 90% isn't the problem. The 10% is. That's why we still need detailed documentation, and will until someone comes up with a better way. Because as nice as it is to say that 90% of the interface is the same, that 90% of the interface is also the easy part that any good coder can implement in their sleep. It's the weird app-specific stuff that takes the brainpower.
Look at [this](http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/mannoroth/Sephiroth/advanced) and tell me with a straight face that if it was provided in one of those formats, you'd be able to represent all of its data and functionality, in a pretty user-friendly way, without any extra code or documentation. That's not ignorance or laziness, that's the problem simply being difficult.
But yes, you're right, the easy part could be even easier. | null | 0 | 1316096362 | False | 0 | c2k23yr | t3_kgbzq | null | t1_c2k23yr | t1_c2k21g8 | null | 1427603343 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Wait, Microsoft? Abandoning something they invested a lot of time and money into? It can't be.. | null | 0 | 1316096378 | False | 0 | c2k241g | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k241g | t3_kgb4h | null | 1427603344 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | berlinbrown | null | Corrected. | null | 0 | 1316096383 | False | 0 | c2k242d | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k242d | t1_c2k22v1 | null | 1427603345 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | zelf0gale | null | The way I read it, it is NP. What is in question is if it is P. If we can prove that it isn't P, this would let us know that not all NP problems are P problems. | null | 0 | 1316096393 | False | 0 | c2k2447 | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k2447 | t1_c2k219a | null | 1427603345 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | [deleted] | null | 0 | 1316096409 | False | 0 | c2k246e | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k246e | t1_c2k22ya | null | 1427603348 | -8 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | OriginalSyn | null | Going off spec is the reason we had the dark ages of the internet and spent better part of the last decade clawing our way out. Netscape and MS were implementing proprietary technologies that were not part of the spec in order to get a leg up on the competition. What resulted was IE5 won and we all lost. This is the reason why I resist PDFs, Silverlight and Flash. | null | 0 | 1316096428 | False | 0 | c2k2491 | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k2491 | t1_c2k22eu | null | 1427603347 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | macroexpand | null | > For example, if you have an NP problem, and someone says "the answer to your problem is 12345"
NP contains decision problems so the answer should be "Yes" or "No", not "12345". | null | 0 | 1316096453 | False | 0 | c2k24cr | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k24cr | t3_kgfhb | null | 1427603348 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | robertmassaioli | null | I tutor maths occasionally and when I see a student over rely on a calculator I confiscate it. You have a brain: exercise it. | null | 0 | 1316096463 | False | 0 | c2k24e2 | t3_kgbzq | null | t1_c2k24e2 | t1_c2k1qoy | null | 1427603349 | 2 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | It uses Direct3D under the hood. Basically, it duplicates what Direct2D does, but is much slower. | null | 0 | 1316096567 | False | 0 | c2k24ti | t3_kfuii | null | t1_c2k24ti | t1_c2k0e93 | null | 1427603354 | 4 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | PericlesATX | null | It does if you're in the video streaming business, apparently. | null | 0 | 1316096598 | False | 0 | c2k24xt | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k24xt | t1_c2k1whf | null | 1427603356 | 5 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | [deleted] | null | Because Microsoft isn't known for firing up lawsuits over petty shit.
Even given that, there is absolutely no reason for microsoft to sue over a linux implementation of their technology. It makes absolutely no business sense, even for microsoft. | null | 0 | 1316096641 | False | 0 | c2k253i | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k253i | t1_c2k12zo | null | 1427603358 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | __j_random_hacker | null | I think the *Simple* English Wikipedia page made the right choice by not introducing the term "deterministic Turing machine", which would mainly confuse people. They get the fundamentals across just fine without it.
~~Also your understanding of complexity classes is pretty messed up. NP contains all of P, so it's incorrect to say that NP is "really fucking hard to solve". NP complete is the hardest problems in NP -- if you can figure out a way to solve one of them quickly, you can solve them all quickly. NP hard contains NP complete, plus all problems that are outside of NP (i.e. even harder). This famously includes the Halting Problem, but there are many others.~~ Thanks for quickly improving your post :) | null | 0 | 1316096665 | True | 0 | c2k257b | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k257b | t1_c2k21et | null | 1427603359 | 6 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | Rossco1337 | null | >They have contributed to ... Wine
I can't find anything about this. The closest I can find is [this](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_\(software\)#Microsoft_and_Wine) evidence of Microsoft not exactly helping Wine through updates. I'd like to know more about this though, can you provide a source?
Also, I consider any contributions to the web from Microsoft to be reparation and apologies for IE6. They extinguished Netscape using their position in the OS market and have held back web growth and innovation for nearly a decade. We'll be seeing the effects of it for many years to come. I'm still surprised by their audacity and tenacity to continue developing their browser under the Internet Explorer name because frankly, what they've done to the web is unforgivable.
I'll be the first to admit my anti-Microsoft bias because of their actions over the last 10-15 years. I'm not unreasonable though, their attitude is changing for the better. Xbox, Windows, Hotmail etc are still complete failures in my book but the attitude towards homebrew on Windows Phone and their slowly changing attitude to the web are steps in the right direction. | null | 0 | 1316096734 | False | 0 | c2k25hl | t3_kgb4h | null | t1_c2k25hl | t1_c2k1vbz | null | 1427603363 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | DerkaRagnarr | null | Oh I see! So if we can prove for certain that this is not P, than that would a solution?
That makes sense! | null | 0 | 1316096740 | False | 0 | c2k25ij | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k25ij | t1_c2k2447 | null | 1427603363 | 3 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
True | berlinbrown | null | What is that distinction called between
NP, checking the answers if the piles are equal? and the distinction between which piles to make? | null | 0 | 1316096762 | False | 0 | c2k25ly | t3_kgfhb | null | t1_c2k25ly | t1_c2k22a6 | null | 1427603365 | 1 | t5_2fwo | null | null | null |
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