Which numbers are comparable
This repo holds runs made under three different configurations. Averaging or ranking across them is invalid. Two axes vary independently:
- Examiner —
examiner/dyna_conv_v19.py:863-864uses TWO models:llm_chat_context = LLMChat("gpt-5")for grounded contexts andllm_chat_conv = LLMChat("gpt-4o")for the question turns. "GPT-4o backbone" refers only to the question turns. - SG parser — all published rows were parsed with
gpt-4o-mini(run_all_metrics.shsetsGED_MODEL=gpt-4o-mini; other graders use local Qwen3).
| tree | examiner | SG parser | comparable to published table? |
|---|---|---|---|
svg100_controlled/gemini-2.5-pro/ |
gpt-5 + gpt-4o | gpt-4o-mini | YES |
svg500/gemini-2.5-pro/ |
gpt-5.4-mini (both roles) | gpt-5.4-mini | no — both axes wrong |
svg500_gpt54_backbone/sg/* |
gpt-5.4-mini backbone | gpt-5.4-mini | parser axis wrong |
parser_ratio/ |
n/a (fixed transcripts) | both, for measurement | n/a |
Why svg500/ is not usable as a Gemini row
utils/llm.py applied its Azure branch AFTER the OpenAI branch and overwrote
both the client and the requested model with AZURE_OPENAI_DEPLOYNAME. Because
the module calls load_dotenv(".env") at import and .env contains
AZURE_OPENAI_KEY, this could not be avoided by shell hygiene -- both examiner
roles silently collapsed into one deployment. Fixed: Azure is now an elif
fallback and logs any substitution.
Measured effect, same 100 images, paired:
| metric | controlled (gpt-5 + gpt-4o) | collapsed (gpt-5.4-mini) |
|---|---|---|
| rounds | 2239 | 4012 |
| avg rounds/conv | 11.2 | 20.1 |
| regular | 29.4% | 34.3% |
| follow-up | 25.0% | 47.5% |
| adversarial | 33.6% | 17.5% |
| unanswerable | 12.0% | 0.7% |
Ground truth was intact in both (adversarial gt=="No" 753/753 and 703/703;
unanswerable canonical 268/268 and 29/29) -- the transcripts are not corrupt,
the question mix is simply different, and the collapsed run also ran ~2x longer
conversations.
Parser effect (parser_ratio/, 60 fixed images)
Same transcripts, same prompt and post-processing, only the parser model varies:
- triples extracted: gpt-4o-mini 5008 vs gpt-5.4 2793 (ratio 0.5577)
- GED: 122.20 vs 71.35 (ratio 1.7127; against the stored column, 1.7225)
- per-image GED ratio: median 1.6887, range 1.07-3.14
Validation: recomputing GED from the stored gpt-4o-mini parse reproduced the published column to within 0.57% (122.20 vs 122.90), 23/60 images exact.
Caveat: GED is an anytime approximation against a 300s budget. 49/60 gpt-4o-mini and 42/60 gpt-5.4 calls hit that cap, so both means are upper bounds. The ratio is more trustworthy than either absolute number.
Do not apply the 1.71 parser ratio to svg100_controlled/ -- it is already
parsed with gpt-4o-mini and would be double-corrected.
Headline numbers
| run | GED | DeltaCon | images |
|---|---|---|---|
| gemini-2.5-pro, controlled + gpt-4o-mini parse | 119.03 | 4.5600 | 100 |
| gemini-2.5-pro, collapsed examiner + gpt-5.4 parse | 137.08 | 4.5100 | 500 |
| llava-1.5-7b, gpt-5.4 backbone + gpt-5.4 parse | 93.34 | 4.2540 | 286 |
| Qwen2.5-VL-7B, gpt-5.4 backbone + gpt-5.4 parse | 108.29 | 4.2919 | 217 |
Only the first row is on the published footing. The llava/Qwen2.5 rows share each other's configuration but not the published one.