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A lot of people online, a lot of women online believe I'm a misogynist, but that's because they listen to sound bites and they take treats that trend without context, which is guess the story of the whole world.
mary
A lot of people online, a lot of women online believe I'm a misogynist, but that's because they listen to sound bites and they take tweets that trend without context, which is just the story of the whole world.
en
Like I said about Jesus Christ, you just take bits and pieces like, but Jesus, and I'm like, you didn't read the whole story. So I'm a victim of that.
mary
Like I said about Jesus Christ, you just take bits and pieces like, "But Jesus," and I'm like, "You didn't read the whole story." So I am a victim of that.
en
He hates women. And I'm like, I respect you so much that I'm criticizing you the same way I'd criticize any other guy. You're a sex worker. This guy must give you money just because you have a vagina. You're a sex worker. Excuse me, what do you mean?
mary
He hates women. And I'm like, I respect you so much that I'm criticizing you the same way I'd criticize any other guy. You're a sex worker. This guy must give you money just because you have a vagina. You're a sex worker. Excuse me, what do you mean?
en
You're empowered. And they're like, ah, this guy hates women. I'm like, no.
mary
You're empowered. And they're like, ah, this guy hates women. I'm like, no.
en
That's not what it is at all. Most people don't know what Ilobolo is. That's why I'm asking if you r learned this recently, because I know a lot of people don't know what it is. And you're right about money, because people don't have money.
mary
That's not what it is at all. Most people don't know what Ilobolo is. That's why I'm asking if you learned this recently, because I know a lot of people don't know what it is. And you're right about money, because people don't have money.
en
And you're right about the game. Again, in the context of today, now we need to go back to the principle. What are you trying to do?
mary
And you're right about the game. Again, in the context of today, now we need to go back to the principle. What are you trying to do?
en
Bring families together. Then bring them for games night. What are we trying to do? We're trying to eat. Okay, then we can buy takeaways or whoever wants to cook can cook. You want to get to know each other?
mary
Bring families together. Then bring them for games night. What are we trying to do? We're trying to eat. Okay, then we can buy takeaways or whoever wants to cook can cook. You want to get to know each other?
en
Let's go on a weekend away. Let's go camping. Let's go hiking. Why you bring an uncle you don't know?
mary
Let's go on a weekend away. Let's go camping. Let's go hiking. Why you bring an uncle you don't know?
en
No, but it has to. Why? Why don't you bring your mates?
mary
No, but it has to. Why? Why don't you bring your mates?
en
Why don't you bring your neighbors? These are the people that actually have a vested interest in your success, are going to be babysitting your kids.
mary
Why don't you bring your neighbors? These are the people that actually have a vested interest in your success, are going to be babysitting your kids.
en
Who are just dumb old people, who were dumb young people. Now they're dumb old people. Now, because they're old, they think they have authority. And I'm like, but that's not the principle. You're wrong. And they're like, but you're a kid. What do you know?
mary
Who are just dumb old people, who were dumb young people. Now they're dumb old people. Now, because they're old, they think they have authority. And I'm like, but that's not the principle. You're wrong. And they're like, but you're a kid. What do you know?
en
I'm like, I know the principle. And this is not the principle of this thing. And in the context of gender equality, why is the boy and his family bringing anything?
mary
I'm like, I know the principle. And this is not the principle of this thing. And in the context of gender equality, why is the boy and his family bringing anything?
en
Because we're not there anymore. We're not there anymore. We're trying to get to the principle of bringing families together. And if we bring families together, why are you coming into my family? Why are you taking my family name? Why?
mary
Because we're not there anymore. We're not there anymore. We're trying to get to the principle of bringing families together. And if we bring families together, why are you coming into my family? Why are you taking my family name? Why?
en
So when you come with your expectations and you're like, but I work, it's like you can't, Siswami, not culturally.
mary
So when you come with your expectations and you're like, but I work, it's like you can't, Swazi, not culturally.
en
Because then we have to scrap this lobolo thing because you can't pick and choose how it suits you.
mary
Because then we have to scrap this lobolo thing because you can't pick and choose how it suits you.
en
And then when I expect you to be a Zulu wife, all of a sudden you have a big mouth. But you wanted us to hold on to this thing. And I'm like, no, you must pick a struggle.
mary
And then when I expect you to be a Zulu wife, all of a sudden you have a big mouth. But you wanted us to hold on to this thing. And I'm like, no, you must pick a struggle.
en
Her father, seeing that I'm a noble man from a noble family, to thank me for taking custodianship of his daughter is like, I will cover the wedding to say thank you to you and your family for adopting my daughter into your family.
mary
Her father, seeing that I'm a noble man from a noble family, to thank me for taking custodianship of his daughter is like, I will cover the wedding to say thank you to you and your family for adopting my daughter into your family.
en
Keep that. If that looks like ilobolo, cool. If the principal is the girl side of the family wants to thank your family for now taking their daughter dowry, keep it. But if the principal is you are an empowered woman, I'm obviously an empowered man.
mary
Keep that. If that looks like ilobolo, cool. If the principal is the girl side of the family wants to thank your family for now taking their daughter dowry, keep it. But if the principal is you are an empowered woman, I'm obviously an empowered man.
en
What are we doing? Why are we coming together? Why are you taking my surname? And once we can cover those things, then whatever the principle of that is, we do that.
mary
What are we doing? Why are we coming together? Why are you taking my surname? And once we can cover those things, then whatever the principle of that is, we do that.
en
But as long as you're holding on to 10 Rand, you're saying that my family has an upper hand somewhere, not because of the money, because you're saying the principle is my family must give your family something. And my question is, why? On what basis?
mary
But as long as you're holding on to 10 Rand, you're saying that my family has an upper hand somewhere, not because of the money, because you're saying the principle is my family must give your family something. And my question is, why? On what basis?
en
On what basis must my family give your family anything?
mary
On what basis must my family give your family anything?
en
I like the word exchange, because then it must come both sides, because we're merging the families.
mary
I like the word exchange, because then it must come both sides, because we're merging the families.
en
You know what happens when I discuss Elobol, and this breaks my heart. This is not about you.
mary
You know what happens when I discuss Elobol, and this breaks my heart. This is not about you.
en
People don't know the history. And we end up debating semantics because people actually don't know what this thing is and where it comes from. And we get so caught up in arguing.
mary
People don't know the history. And we end up debating semantics because people actually don't know what this thing is and where it comes from. And we get so caught up in arguing.
en
The nitty-gritties, and people miss what was meant to happen.
mary
The nitty-gritties, and people miss what was meant to happen.
en
Um we don't have to have this debate today. I think your point is made and I and I appreciate it.
mary
Um, we don't have to have this debate today. I think your point is made, and I appreciate it.
en
But as long as you guys are like, this is the one principle we confirmed, because whether it's 10 rand or a million rand, as soon as those things happen, they are assumed principles.
mary
But as long as you guys are like, this is the one principle we confirmed, because whether it's 10 rand or a million rand, as soon as those things happen, they are assumed principles.
en
And the day your husband says something, does something, and you guys fight, I'm going to take it all the way back to how you guys decided to get together. And forget Iloboro, it's going to be, but he asked me out. He came to me. I'm like, okay.
mary
And the day your husband says something, does something, and you guys fight, I'm going to take it all the way back to how you guys decided to get together. And forget ilobolo, it's going to be, but he asked me out. He came to me. I'm like, okay.
en
Later on when you started making a whole lot of money and he wasn't.
mary
Later on when you started making a whole lot of money and he wasn't.
en
And he was trying to hold on to the it goes all the way back to you guys never believed in equality.
mary
And he was trying to hold on to the [unintelligible] what what. It goes all the way back to you guys never believed in equality.
en
The lady's only raising it now because she's making a lot of money.
mary
The lady's only raising it now because she's making a lot of money.
en
I hear you. That's all I'm disagreeing with you on, and it's okay. You by throwing it away, I think maybe to get us to the same page.
mary
I hear you. That's all I'm disagreeing with you on, and it's okay. You by throwing it away, I think maybe to get us to the same page.
en
And hopefully at the end of that exercise, we get to the same place. You're saying keep some of this. I'm saying throw it all away. And once you've agreed on the principle, bring some of it back. But the semantics become that we get to the same place.
mary
And hopefully at the end of that exercise, we get to the same place. You're saying keep some of this. I'm saying throw it all away. And once you've agreed on the principle, bring some of it back. But the semantics become that we get to the same place.
en
I think that would have been really great and maybe at some point we'll speak about some of that.
mary
I think that would have been really great and maybe at some point we'll speak about some of that.
en
None of the questions I raised were funky. Okay. Azambian, I think that's enough. Oh, sorry. Any closing remarks?
mary
None of the questions I raised were funky. Okay. As I'm being, I think that's enough. Oh, sorry. Any closing remarks?
en
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