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Uh but my dad is typically everybody when I post him he looks very white they call him Lechoa and it's interesting when I'm in a mall and I see a white man with like | ursula | Uh but my dad is typically everybody when I post him he looks very white. They call him Lechoa and it's interesting when I'm in a mall and I see a white man with like | en | |
Because I experienced so much racism as a child in Cape Town that I actually don't like Cape Town at all. If I'm there, you know, if you speak for work. | ursula | Because I experienced so much racism as a child in Cape Town that I actually don't like Cape Town at all. If I'm there, you know, if you spoke to... | en | |
But grew up a little bit in Cape Town and then we we eventually settled in a place called Lavau, Brenachen. | ursula | But grew up a little bit in Cape Town and then we eventually settled in a place called Lavau, Vredenburg. | en | |
Okay, so that's just what I said. Yes, I'm doing a PhD. Yeah. | ursula | Okay, so that's just what I said. Yes, I'm doing a PhD. Yeah. | en | |
So they go to pick and pay and they're like advertising noodles and and every time I try to get into this, the lady who's hiring looks at me and says, | ursula | So they go to Pick n Pay and they're like advertising noodles and every time I try to get into this, the lady who's hiring looks at me and says, | en | |
So then I'm like, oh, okay. And then it finally lands why I'm not getting these extra gigs that all the girls around me are getting. And I think to myself, okay, I need to make money. And what do I know how to do? | ursula | So then I'm like, oh, okay. And then it finally lands why I'm not getting these extra gigs that all the girls around me are getting. And I think to myself, okay, I need to make money. And what do I know how to do? | en | |
I know how to talk. And a friend of mine had been a voiceover artist for a very long my friend of mine's older sister had been a voiceover artist for a very long time. And she says to me, you've got such a lovely voice. | ursula | I know how to talk. And a friend of mine's older sister had been a voiceover artist for a very long time. And she says to me, you've got such a lovely voice. | en | |
And then like, you know, I'm building, not knowing, really not knowing. I think I'm like maybe 19 or 20, not knowing that I'm building a second career alongside the health sciences. | ursula | And then like, you know, I'm building, not knowing, really not knowing. I think I'm like maybe 19 or 20, not knowing that I'm building a second career alongside the health sciences. | en | |
It's just me. Like even now I'll start a conversation on my Instagram story and I don't really think that I'm now I think maybe I'm a bit more intentional about it. | ursula | It's just me. Like even now I'll start a conversation on my Instagram story and I don't really think that I'm now I think maybe I'm a bit more intentional about it. | en | |
you know, uh things that n come naturally to you. | ursula | you know, uh things that come naturally to you. | en | |
who's in that position. And I think also in the era that we're living in, we're fed with so much knowledge at such a rapid pace. It's difficult to be one thing. | ursula | who's in that position. And I think also in the era that we're living in, we're fed with so much knowledge at such a rapid pace. It's difficult to be one thing. | en | |
We've heard of these stories, you know. And so, but now that's not the case, you know. You're not just exposed to what's in your family, you're exposed to so much more than that. | ursula | We've heard of these stories, you know. And so, but now that's not the case, you know. You're not just exposed to what's in your family, you're exposed to so much more than that. | en | |
Yes, absolutely. And, you know, I carried that with such a burden because then now, you know, I was watching people do. | ursula | Yes, absolutely. And, you know, I carried that with such a burden because then now, you know, I was watching people do. | en | |
Yeah, yeah, I'm working really hard. And then over the weekend, I'm podcasting. | ursula | Yeah, yeah, I'm working really hard. And then over the weekend, I'm podcasting. | en | |
Man, these conversations should be on camera. And that's how. | ursula | Man, these conversations should be on camera. And that's how. | en | |
go through different seasons, the topics come from the three of us living life. You know, the two Kiven and Boga are are both parents of same age. Uh one of the babies was born in our first year of the podcast. One of our babies was born in November. | ursula | go through different seasons, the topics come from the three of us living life. You know, the two Kiven and Boga are both parents of same age. Uh one of the babies was born in our first year of the podcast. One of our babies was born in November. | en | |
You know, they're now picky with clothing. Then in the next get ready with me, we discussed how, you know, what is it like to now be raising a three-year-old? | ursula | You know, they're now picky with clothing. Then in the next get ready with me, we discussed how, you know, what is it like to now be um raising a three-year-old? | en | |
We discussed the dynamic of bonga being a mom and given being a dad, and what does that mean in society? You know, what are the privileges that are extended to bonga that are not extended to given? | ursula | We discussed the dynamic of Bonga being a mom and Given being a dad, and what does that mean in society? You know, what are the privileges that are extended to Bonga that are not extended to Given? | en | |
Those are real conversations that come. I mean, we had a sexologist, you were speaking to the sexologist, and Kiban was the one who had had a conversation with the sexologist and said, I need you to come onto our podcast. | ursula | Those are real conversations that come. I mean, we had a sexologist, you were speaking to the sexologist, and Kiban was the one who had had a conversation with the sexologist and said, I need you to come onto our podcast. | en | |
But I remember for the first year, um it was just I one of the first conversation if I think it was the second podcast we've had. So the first podcast we had was a lawyer who came to talk about the new Fatten Central had come in. | ursula | But I remember for the first year, um it was just one of the first conversations, I think it was the second podcast we've had. So the first podcast we had was a lawyer who came to talk about the new FICA Central had come in. | en | |
I mean, where the woman had won the case that | ursula | I mean, where the woman had won the case that | en | |
We were not legally married, but I was beside this man till the end and the court ruled in her favour. | ursula | We were not legally married, but I was beside this man till the end, and the court ruled in her favour. | en | |
And then I knew a friend of mine who who had been fat and setting in China with her boyfriend and she had just moved back. And I said, Actually, your stories are so funny. Come and talk to us. | ursula | And then I knew a friend of mine who had been fat and setting in China with her boyfriend, and she had just moved back. And I said, actually, your stories are so funny, come and talk to us. | en | |
And honestly, I'm surrounded by amazing storytellers. In fact, if you can't tell a story, our friendship is not going to go very well. | ursula | And honestly, I'm surrounded by amazing storytellers. In fact, if you can't tell a story, our friendship is not going to go very well. | en | |
Our emails are flooded with people saying, This is my story, this is why I want to come on. | ursula | Our emails are flooded with people saying, 'This is my story, this is why I want to come on.' | en | |
And you know, we've been through many learning curves with regards to just | ursula | And you know, we've been through many learning curves with regards to just | en | |
And I'm looking at the amazing work that's been done in medical research. | ursula | And I'm looking at the amazing work that's been done in medical research. | en | |
So I was like, no, I'm putting this gift to use because so much amazing research is really just ending up in the world of researchers. And so I started another podcast. But to go back to having important guests, now I've got professors and serious people. | ursula | So I was like, no, I'm putting this gift to use because so much amazing research is really just ending up in the world of researchers. And so I started another podcast. But to go back to having important guests, now I've got professors and, you know, serious people. | en | |
But perhaps you're thinking to yourself, you're thinking about an argument you had with your wife, and you're wondering, how can I meet the balance? | ursula | But perhaps you're thinking to yourself, you're thinking about an argument you had with your wife, and you're wondering, how can I meet the balance? | en | |
And I was like, I never comment actually on these things. But I was so like maddened by the conversation because there's this way that people want to keep 90% of... | ursula | And I was like, I never comment actually on these things. But I was so like maddened by the conversation because there's this way that people want to keep 90% of... | en | |
Name the corruption scandal you're talking about. And now you want us to quote date as if you're some kind of journalist. I'm not, but I'm a voter. And I want to know. | ursula | Name the corruption scandal you're talking about. And now you want us to quote date as if you're some kind of journalist. I'm not, but I'm a voter. And I want to know. | en | |
Absolutely. You know, and like, it just reminded me of how many people are shut out of the conversation, even to the point where somebody goes to a doctor and is fearful to ask questions, right? | ursula | Absolutely. You know, and like, it just reminded me of how many people are shut out of the conversation, even to the point where somebody goes to a doctor and is fearful to ask questions, right? | en | |
Albert Einstein says, if you can't explain it simply, you don't know it well enough. And that was the opportunity for you to explain simply to the people that are supposed to vote for you what's happening. | ursula | Albert Einstein says, if you can't explain it simply, you don't know it well enough. And that was the opportunity for you to explain simply to the people that are supposed to vote for you what's happening. | en | |
For me, I actually don't want to just focus on that one conversation. For me, it's really just generally when you ask questions and people try to intimidate you into feeling too daft to ask the question, the problem is that person, right? | ursula | For me, I actually don't want to just focus on that one conversation. For me, it's really just generally when you ask questions and people try to intimidate you into feeling too daft to ask the question. The problem is that person, right? | en | |
Yes, and at the end of the day, these are the people that you're calling on to vote for you. Speak to them, you know. | ursula | Yes, and at the end of the day, these are the people that you're calling on to vote for you. Speak to them, you know. | en | |
Absolutely. I say no, but I wonder if I'm telling the truth when I say no, because I remember. | ursula | Absolutely. I say no, but I wonder if I'm telling the truth when I say no, because I | en | |
And he drove from Pretoria to come see me. And he was like, I want to sit in on this show because I want you to see what you have on your hands. I'm telling you, we're onto something. Let's start something. | ursula | And he drove from Pretoria to come see me. And he was like, I want to sit in on this show because I want you to see what you have on your hands. I'm telling you, we're onto something. Let's start something. | en | |
And for the first time in months, he managed to really convince me. But I'm the type of person that when I'm finally on board, so I start making calls. I'm like, guys, we're starting something big, we're starting something, but jokingly, you know. | ursula | And for the first time in months, he managed to really convince me. But I'm the type of person that when I'm finally on board, so I start making calls. I'm like, guys, we're starting something big, we're starting something, but jokingly, you know. | en | |
And I can easily say, I think within the first three or four months, our clips start, you know, really making the rounds on social media. | ursula | And um, I can easily say, I think within the first three or four months, our clips start, you know, really making the rounds on social media. | en | |
as the team we look at each other, we're like, Okay, we were joking, but this is actually we're actually onto something. | ursula | as the team we look at each other, we're like, Okay, we were joking, but this is actually we're actually onto something. | en | |
Hire a makeup artist in the morning before they come to my show. | ursula | Hire a makeup artist in the morning before they come to my show. | en | |
You know, I remember at some point, I'm getting ready, I'm showering, and Bonga walks into the shower and she sees me like crouched on the floor. And she says, Why are you doing this weekend cancel? | ursula | You know, I remember at some point, I'm getting ready, I'm showering, and Bonga walks into the shower and she sees me like crouched on the floor. And she says, 'Why are you doing this? We can't cancel.' | en | |
And I say, I'm not canceling, bring me two diclofenak and panado there and let's keep it going, you know. | ursula | And I say, I'm not canceling, bring me two diclofenac and Panado there and let's keep it going, you know. | en | |
And she's like, you know, she closes the door, and I hear her say to even, hey, she's still forcing, but she's crouched on the floor. I was in so much pain. And so we do all the guests. | ursula | And she's like, you know, she closes the door, and I hear her say to Kevin, 'Hey, she's still forcing, but she's crouched on the floor.' I was in so much pain. And so we do all the guess. | en | |
And now, when we're watching it back, I see that I took it too far. I didn't perform at my best because I was in so much pain. And this principle kept me in a weird, you know, when a principle that you have for yourself. | ursula | And now, when we're watching it back, I see that I didn't perform at my best because I was in so much pain. And this principle kept me in a weird, you know, when a principle that you have for yourself. | en | |
I'm not like hearing Bonga's actually filling in more than she needs to. | ursula | I'm not like hearing Bonga's actually filling in more than she needs to. | en | |
And if I'm coming to you, it means I'm not coming, I'm not going to something else. And so I hate being cancelled. But yeah, that day I realized that sometimes you must also make, don't be shackled by your own decisions, right? | ursula | And if I'm coming to you, it means I'm not coming, I'm not going to something else. And so I hate being canceled. But yeah, that day I realized that sometimes you must also make, don't be shackled by your own decisions, right? | en | |
And but that day was the day where I looked at I looked at the interviews, only aird one because one girl said, no, I can't come again. And we add it. But I look at it and I'm like, phew, I'm not performing at my best here. | ursula | And but that day was the day where I looked at I looked at the interviews, only aired one because one girl said, no, I can't come again. And we aired it. But I look at it and I'm like, phew, I'm not performing at my best here. | en | |
And it's just, you know, enjoying the conversation as much as you can and you would in real life because people can tell when you're not in it. | ursula | And it's just, you know, enjoying the conversation as much as you can and you would in real life because people can tell when you're not in it. | en | |
Um and but now out outside of that element, we are taking it more seriously. Um in the sense that obviously, you know, like now brands approach you and you start thinking along those lines and you're like, Okay, how can we structure this better? | ursula | Um and but now outside of that element, we are taking it more seriously. Um in the sense that obviously, you know, like now brands approach you and you start thinking along those lines and you're like, Okay, how can we structure this better? | en | |
Um like I said at first it was a lot of like things that we're going through but then what happens when I'm constantly going through a struggle at work? | ursula | Um like I said at first it was a lot of like things that we're going through, but then what happens when I'm constantly going through a struggle at work? | en | |
And and just trying to find a way to bring in that. | ursula | And just trying to find a way to bring in that. | en | |
And so, you know, just merging those two spaces. But I think my gift to the world will definitely be taking conversations and bringing it to the layman. And hence I was so offended by people being upset with Anela having laymen conversations. I'm like... | ursula | And so, you know, just merging those two spaces. But I think my gift to the world will definitely be taking conversations and bringing it to the layman. And hence I was so offended by people being upset with Anela having layman conversations. I'm like... | en | |
But wondering if I've got the right academic jargon for the question. You know, and this is somebody who's doing their PhD, but I'm like, yo, do I have the right academic genes aquar for this question? | ursula | But wondering if I've got the right academic jargon for the question. You know, and this is somebody who's doing their PhD, but I'm like, yo, do I have the right academic jargon for this question? | en | |
But I've always been like that. I've always been the person who's like, I don't take away from the fact that I'm nervous. | ursula | But I've always been like that. I've always been the person who's like, I don't take away from the fact that I'm nervous. | en | |
We're forging forward. And I laugh at myself sometimes afterwards at how I've taken a risk on stuff that I'm like. | ursula | We're forging forward. And I laugh at myself sometimes afterwards at how I've taken a risk on stuff that I'm like. | en | |
I didn't let him pass the syndrome, get the best of it. So anybody who comes to me and says to me, I'm nervous, I'm like, you better do it nervous. | ursula | I didn't let him pass the syndrome, get the best of it. So anybody who comes to me and says to me, 'Oh, I'm nervous.' I'm like, 'You better do it nervous.' | en | |
Like I'm not giving you a chance. Any friend of mine who needs that kind of, they know I'm the person to call who's like, | ursula | Like I'm not giving you a chance. Any friend of mine who needs that kind of, they know I'm the person to call who's like, | en | |
And they're the ones that get super excited to see black people. | ursula | But grew up a little bit in Cape Town and then we eventually settled in a place called La Val, Vredenburg. | en | |
But I'm asking though Always waiting. I think I mean if a man or his first time seeing a | ursula | So they go to Pick n Pay and they're like advertising noodles and and every time I try to get into this, the lady who's hiring looks at me and says | en | |
I wouldn't necessarily say no, just for the second say no, I'd say why overla snap and tatti. Mm. | ursula | So then I'm like, oh, okay. And then I finally learned why I'm not getting these extra gigs that all the girls around me are getting. And I think to myself, okay, I I need to make money. And what do I know how to do? | en | |
So I was visiting a friend of mine in China who's been working there. This is not voiceover work. You can speak normally. What do you want from me actually? | ursula | And then like, you know, I'm building, not knowing, really not knowing. I think I'm like maybe 19 or 20, not knowing that I'm building a second career alongside the health sciences. | en | |
Oh, what a great question. Did you see any pregnant women in China? | ursula | know, uh, things that didn't come naturally to | en | |
Spices make like your everything better. Yeah, because it can be the same thing. They can like fry liver. We've eaten fried liver before, right? | ursula | But now it just makes me feel like, it just wasn't good advice generally. You know, you didn't really lay all the true cards on the table of what was available to me. And really looked at my personality. | en | |
So it's a beef nation. Se hence it's normalized to them. But there was this thing on TikTok that went around like what foods are are like um n not just edible but the most eaten foods. I've got can I take out my phone? | ursula | So it's a beef nation. See, hence it's normalized to them. But yeah, so we do that on weekends. And so while we were getting ready every time for a guest and I'd be putting on makeup and we'd be chatting. Given would say, man, you know, these conversations should be on camera. | en | |
It's extreme, yes. I remember we took this girl who was like 16 on like a car ride. She's like, I've never been in a car. Can we go? | ursula | But I remember for the first year, um, it was just like one of the first, I think it was the second podcast we've had. So the first podcast we had was a lawyer who came to talk about the new Fatin Central had come in. | en | |
A good perspective is looking as a utak, your extended family. | ursula | I mean, where the woman had won the case that | en | |
Or who have a driving license? Why are we gonna say uh | ursula | We're not legally married, but I was beside this man till the end. And the court ruled in her favor. | en | |
yeah, but you're from Malawi? Skatonteen. You do you have uh I I know we spoke about this privately, but just two cent comment on Chidima Vanessa Adechina. | ursula | And then I knew a friend of mine who had been faffing and setting in Chida with her boyfriend and she had just moved back. And as it Your stories are so funny, come and talk to us. | en | |
Technically, I get a Khoisan are the natives of South Africa, so we're all foreign. Arguably, yes. Arguably. So, what are we saying? | ursula | Technically, I get it. Khoisan are the natives of South Africa, so we're all foreign. Arguably, yes. Arguably. So, what are we saying? | en | |
So, one of the biggest issues with this chick is the fact that she doesn't seem to be proudly South African. She seems to love her Nigerian heritage more. | ursula | So, one of the biggest issues with this chick is the fact that she doesn't seem to be proudly South African. She seems to love her Nigerian heritage more. | en | |
Well, Sun International was founded by Saul Kirsner, whose parents are actually immigrants. | ursula | And I was like, I never comment actually on these things, but I was so like maddened by the conversation because there's this way that people want to keep 90% of | en | |
And this lady seems to just be Nigeria, Nigeria. It's like, Siswami, you're meant to be like, | ursula | Absolutely, you know, and like I I it just reminded me of how many people are shut out of the conversation, even to the point where somebody goes to a doctor and is fearful to ask questions, right? | en | |
Like, all of us can do that, but when you're on a platform, | ursula | For me, I actually don't want to just focus on that one conversation. For me, it's really just generally when you ask questions and people try to intimidate you into feeling too daft to ask the question. The problem is that person. Right. | en | |
Just like following the conversation that people were also looking at how there's an Asian or Chinese lady also then participating. | ursula | Yes, at the end of the day, these are the people that you're calling on to vote for you. Speak to them, you know. | en | |
Whatever our roots are. But it's just like when Trevor goes over, we're proud of him. | ursula | And for the first time in months, he managed to really convince me. But I'm the type of person that when I'm finally on board, so I start making calls. I'm like, guys, we're starting something big. We're like, I was like, but jokingly, you know. | en | |
When you're in the middle of the you know, if this chick won Miss SA and one Miss Universe, um, a lot of people would like her. | ursula | As the team, we look at each other, we're like, okay, we were joking, but this is actually, we're actually on to something. | en | |
Was the lady you were looking for. But no, no, no, there's that runner girl, Shakari, who came second. | ursula | and and recently because I'm somebody who I hate cancelling on a guest on the day. | en | |
Yes, is it Chikeri? Is that how you pronounce it? | ursula | I'm a makeup artist in the morning before they come to my show. | en | |
I was like queen there in front with the long hair and the nails, you know, whatever. And but you there was something about this girl. | ursula | I remember at some point, I'm getting ready, I'm showering, and Bonga walks into the shower, and she sees me like crouched on the floor. And she says, "Why are you doing this weekend cancel?" | en | |
But darker than Shakari? No, no, no. No, no, no. She's from a small island? | ursula | And she's like, you know, she closes the door and I hear her say to give an A, she's still forcing, but she's crouched on the floor. I was in so much pain. And so we do all the guests. | en | |
Yeah, it was nice. I celebrated both of them. Yeah. | ursula | And now when we're watching it back, I see that I didn't perform at my best because I was in so much pain. And this principle kept me in a weird, you know when a principle that you have for your | en | |
Yeah, the tightest 100 meter race I've ever seen in my life. | ursula | I'm not like hearing Bonga's actually filling in more than she needs. | en | |
I have a feeling I shared those c back and forth cases. | ursula | And it's just, you know, enjoying the conversation as much as you can and you would in real life because people can tell when you're not in it. | en | |
Yeah, so I can't confirm that. Okay. But the rumors were like these people were born male. Transition? | ursula | Um, like I said, at first it was a lot of like things that we're going through. But then what happens when I'm constantly going through a struggle at work? | en | |
They can have their own one like the paradigm piece. | ursula | And just trying to find a way to bring | en | |
I mean weight restrictions around I wonder if there are weight restrictions and things like that around entering these competitions and these patches. | ursula | I mean weight restrictions around I wonder if there are weight restrictions and things like that around entering these competitions and these patches. | en | |
I think men should make that decision. Do you know why? | ursula | I didn't let him pass the syndrome. So anybody who comes to me and says to me, oh, I'm nervous. I'm like, you better do it nervous. | en | |
Miss S.A. Miss S.A. What's a baddie? But wouldn't a baddie be the best representation? | ursula | Like I'm not giving you a chance. Any friend of mine who needs that kind of they know I'm the person to call who's like | en | |
To be perfect, to do things properly, and to never make mistakes, you know. So, and that coincides really well with this conversation about stress. Because I think one of the reasons why we are so stressed is because of that pressure. | ursula | But grew up a little bit in Cape Town and then we we eventually settled in a place called Leval, Vereeniging. | en | |
Did it. And about a year and some months later, it was taken away from me and I couldn't believe it. And like I said, it set the tone for the rest of the year because you budget, right? | ursula | Okay, um, so that's just what I said, yes, I'm doing a PhD. Yeah. | en | |
I was feeling disheartened. I think that's definitely the word. Disheartened. And I was a bit upset and annoyed. | ursula | So they go to Pick n Pay and they're like advertising noodles. And every time I try to get into this, the lady who's hiring looks at me and says | en | |
Like, oh, what's happening in the ABC company? And then they discussed it so formally, they talked about the numbers, they talked about, and I remember just realizing now when people talk about like companies doing badly, I personalize it because I remember feeling like. | ursula | So then I'm like, oh, okay. And then I finally learned why I'm not getting these extra gigs that all the girls around me are getting. And I think to myself, okay, I I need to make money. And what do I know how to do? | en | |
Yeah, because like, you know, stress levels and it was such a mess. It was such a mess. It was really a difficult time. | ursula | And then like, you know, I'm building, not knowing, really not knowing. I think I'm like maybe 19 or 20, not knowing that I'm building a second career alongside the health sciences. | en | |
But what a lot of people don't realize is that, and I saw some study somewhere, and they were saying that a lot of women suffer from autoimmune diseases because of their inability or their refusal to process emotions of anger, right? | ursula | I just thought I was just trying to make a quick buck. And then now my friends that are earning 800 rand a weekend, I'm earning | en | |
for the most part only yeah, supplements and and also like exercise really helped me, eh? | ursula | It's just me. Like even now, I'll start a conversation on my Instagram story and I don't really think that I'm now I think maybe I'm a bit more intentional about it. | en | |
Yeah. You know, yeah, yeah. You know, outside of wanting to appear, I think a lot of us just generally, we live in society, we want to appear like we've got it all together. | ursula | know, uh, things that come naturally to you. | en | |
And so we start doing this thing where we walk for like an hour. | ursula | We heard of these stories, you know. And so but now that's not the case, you know. You're not just exposed to what's in your family. You're exposed to so much more than that. | en | |
what you fear, the things you need to address so that you can empower yourself. | ursula | you know, we are now picky with clothing. Then in the next get ready with me, we discuss how, you know, what is it like to now be raising a three-year-old. | en | |
I swear to you, the things you say become who you are. | ursula | I mean, where the woman had won the case that | en |
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