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Well, why? | Because. Cynthia, look, John was right. Graham is strange. Very strange. You don't want to get involved with him. |
Because. Cynthia, look, John was right. Graham is strange. Very strange. You don't want to get involved with him. | What the hell happened over there? Did he make a pass at you? |
What the hell happened over there? Did he make a pass at you? | No! |
No! | Then what's the story, what's this "strange" bullshit all of a sudden? Is he drowning puppies, or what? |
Then what's the story, what's this "strange" bullshit all of a sudden? Is he drowning puppies, or what? | No, it's nothing like that. |
No, it's nothing like that. | Well, what? Is he dangerous? |
Well, what? Is he dangerous? | No, he's not dangerous. Not physically. |
No, he's not dangerous. Not physically. | Well, what, then? |
Well, what, then? | I don't want to talk about it. |
I don't want to talk about it. | Then why'd you call me? |
Then why'd you call me? | I don't know. |
He just asked me questions. | What kinds of questions? |
What kinds of questions? | Questions about sex. |
Questions about sex. | Well, like what did he ask, exactly? |
Oh, okay. I think I get it. | What do you get? |
What do you get? | Well, they must be something sexual, because Ann gets freaked out by that shit. Are these tapes of you having sex with these girls or something? |
Well, they must be something sexual, because Ann gets freaked out by that shit. Are these tapes of you having sex with these girls or something? | Not exactly. |
Not exactly. | Well, either you are or you aren't. Which is it? |
Well, either you are or you aren't. Which is it? | Why don't you let me tape you? |
Why don't you let me tape you? | Doing what? |
Doing what? | Talking. |
Talking. | About what? |
About what? | Sex. Your sexual history, your sexual preferences. |
Sex. Your sexual history, your sexual preferences. | What makes you think I'd discuss that with you? |
What makes you think I'd discuss that with you? | Nothing. |
Nothing. | You just want to ask me questions? |
You just want to ask me questions? | I just want to ask you questions. |
I just want to ask you questions. | And that's all? |
And that's all? | That's all. |
That's all. | Is this how you get off or something? Taping women talking about their sexual experiences? |
Is this how you get off or something? Taping women talking about their sexual experiences? | Yes. |
Yes. | Would anybody else see the tape? |
Would anybody else see the tape? | Absolutely not. They are for my private use only. |
Absolutely not. They are for my private use only. | How do we start? |
How do we start? | I turn on the camera. You start talking. |
I turn on the camera. You start talking. | And you ask questions, right? |
And you ask questions, right? | Yes. |
Yes. | How long will it take? |
How long will it take? | That depends on you. One woman only used three minutes. Another filled up three two hour tapes. |
That depends on you. One woman only used three minutes. Another filled up three two hour tapes. | Can I see some of the other tapes to get an idea of what -- |
Can I see some of the other tapes to get an idea of what -- | No. |
No. | Do I sit or stand? |
Do I sit or stand? | Whichever you prefer. |
Whichever you prefer. | I'd rather sit. Are you ready? |
I'd rather sit. Are you ready? | Just a moment. |
I am now recording. Tell me your name. | Cynthia Patrice Bishop. |
Cynthia Patrice Bishop. | Describe for me your first sexual experience. |
Describe for me your first sexual experience. | My first sexual experience or the first time I had intercourse? |
My first sexual experience or the first time I had intercourse? | Your first sexual experience. |
Your first sexual experience. | I was... eight years old. Michael Green, who was also eight, asked if he could watch me take a pee. I said he could if I could watch him take one, too. He said okay, and then we went into the woods behind our house. I got this feeling he was chickening out because he kept saying, "Ladies first!" So I pulled down my und... |
I was... eight years old. Michael Green, who was also eight, asked if he could watch me take a pee. I said he could if I could watch him take one, too. He said okay, and then we went into the woods behind our house. I got this feeling he was chickening out because he kept saying, "Ladies first!" So I pulled down my und... | Was it ever a topic of conversation between the two of you afterward? |
Was it ever a topic of conversation between the two of you afterward? | No. He kind of avoided me for the rest of the summer, and then his family moved away. To Cleveland, actually. |
No. He kind of avoided me for the rest of the summer, and then his family moved away. To Cleveland, actually. | How unfortunate. So when did you finally get to see a penis? |
How unfortunate. So when did you finally get to see a penis? | When I was fourteen. |
When I was fourteen. | Live, or in a photograph or film of some sort? |
Live, or in a photograph or film of some sort? | Very much live. |
Very much live. | What did you think? Did it look like you expected? |
What did you think? Did it look like you expected? | Not really. I didn't picture it with veins or ridges or anything, I thought it would be smooth, like a test tube. |
Not really. I didn't picture it with veins or ridges or anything, I thought it would be smooth, like a test tube. | Were you disappointed? |
Were you disappointed? | No. If anything, after I looked at it awhile, it got more interesting. It had character, you know? |
No. If anything, after I looked at it awhile, it got more interesting. It had character, you know? | What about when you touched it? What did you expect it to feel like, and then what did it really feel like? |
What about when you touched it? What did you expect it to feel like, and then what did it really feel like? | It was warmer than I thought it would be, and the skin was softer than it looked. It's weird. Thinking about it now, the organ itself seemed like a separate thing, a separate entity to me. I mean, after he pulled it out and I could look at it and touch it, I completely forgot that there was a guy attached to it. I reme... |
It was warmer than I thought it would be, and the skin was softer than it looked. It's weird. Thinking about it now, the organ itself seemed like a separate thing, a separate entity to me. I mean, after he pulled it out and I could look at it and touch it, I completely forgot that there was a guy attached to it. I reme... | What did he say? |
What did he say? | He said that my hand felt good. |
He said that my hand felt good. | Then what happened? |
Then what happened? | Then I started moving my hand, and then he stopped talking. |
John doesn't have sex with Ann anymore. | Is that what he tells you? |
Is that what he tells you? | He doesn't have to tell me. |
No. | No? Not even one more? |
No? Not even one more? | I never do more than one. I'm sorry. |
I never do more than one. I'm sorry. | I can't talk you into it? |
I can't talk you into it? | No. You'll have to get somebody else. |
No. You'll have to get somebody else. | Now who the hell is going to do that for me? |
Now who the hell is going to do that for me? | I'm sure a substantial number of men in this town would volunteer. |
I'm sure a substantial number of men in this town would volunteer. | But I want you to do it, I want somebody who will ask the right questions and everything, somebody I can play to and feel safe because you can't do anything. |
But I want you to do it, I want somebody who will ask the right questions and everything, somebody I can play to and feel safe because you can't do anything. | Ouch. Okay, I deserved that. Cynthia, don't you understand? After the first time it's just not spontaneous. There's no edge anymore. Look at the tapes, there is only one date on each label. I have never taped anyone twice. |
Ouch. Okay, I deserved that. Cynthia, don't you understand? After the first time it's just not spontaneous. There's no edge anymore. Look at the tapes, there is only one date on each label. I have never taped anyone twice. | So make an exception. |
So make an exception. | No. |
No. | How about if you record over the one we already made? You could have the same date and not use another tape. Who would know? |
How about if you record over the one we already made? You could have the same date and not use another tape. Who would know? | I would. |
I would. | Well, what the hell am I supposed to do? |
Well, what the hell am I supposed to do? | Cynthia, I don't know. |
Cynthia, I don't know. | I can't believe you're doing this after I let you tape me. |
I can't believe you're doing this after I let you tape me. | I'm sorry. I can't do it. |
I'm sorry. I can't do it. | Goddamit, give me my tape, then. |
Goddamit, give me my tape, then. | No. |
I wish I could tell everybody that Ann's a lousy lay. Beautiful, popular, Ann Bishop Millaney. | Could be risky. |
Could be risky. | Well, maybe I could just start a rumor, then. |
Well, maybe I could just start a rumor, then. | No, I mean doing it at my house. |
No, I mean doing it at my house. | Afraid of getting caught? |
Afraid of getting caught? | Maybe. |
Maybe. | You should be. Can I meet this friend of yours? |
You should be. Can I meet this friend of yours? | Cynthia, I don't think you want to, I mean, you should see the way he dresses. I really think he's in a bad way. |
Cynthia, I don't think you want to, I mean, you should see the way he dresses. I really think he's in a bad way. | I'm intrigued. |
I'm intrigued. | You're intrigued? |
You're intrigued? | Sure. Maybe he's the man I'm looking for. Then I won't have to fuck worried husbands all the time. |
It's just so blatantly stupid, I have a hard time believing you did it. | What's so stupid about it? |
What's so stupid about it? | That you... you don't even know the guy. |
That you... you don't even know the guy. | Well, you know him, he's a friend of yours, do you think he can be trusted? |
Well, you know him, he's a friend of yours, do you think he can be trusted? | Shit, after what you've told me, I don't know. I should've known, when he showed up dressed like some arty brat. |
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