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18,573
And our goal in my administration would be to get all of the troops out of there with a minimal amount you need for training and logistics as we do in some other countries in the world after a war to be able to sustain the peace.
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18,574
But that's how we're going to win the peace, by rapidly training the Iraqis themselves.
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18,576
Now what greater admission is there, 16 months afterwards.
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18,577
"Oops, we haven't done the job.
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18,579
Will you guys give us permission to shift it over into training?"
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18,585
Everybody knows it's hard work, because there's a determined enemy that's trying to defeat us.
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18,586
Now, my opponent says he's going to try to change the dynamics on the ground.
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18,587
Well, Prime Minister Allawi was here.
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18,592
One of his campaign people alleged that Prime Minister Allawi was like a puppet.
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18,594
The way to make sure that we succeed is to send consistent, sound messages to the Iraqi people that when we give our word, we will keep our word, that we stand with you, that we believe you want to be free.
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18,596
I believe that 25 million people, the vast majority, long to have elections.
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18,597
I reject this notion -- and I'm suggesting my opponent isn't -- I reject the notion that some say that if you're Muslim you can't free, you don't desire freedom.
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18,602
He has more of the same.
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18,603
Now, Prime Minister Allawi came here, and he said the terrorists are pouring over the border.
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18,609
The reason why Prime Minister Allawi said they're coming across the border is because he recognizes that this is a central part of the war on terror.
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18,610
They're fighting us because they're fighting freedom.
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18,612
And those are the stakes.
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18,613
And that's why it is essential we not leave.
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18,621
I would hope I never have to.
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18,622
I understand how hard it is to commit troops.
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18,624
When I was running -- when we had the debate in 2000, never dreamt I'd be doing that.
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18,628
It must -- as a last resort.
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18,632
And if he had been in power, in other words, if we would have said, "Let the inspectors work, or let's, you know, hope to talk him out.
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18,634
There's just no doubt in my mind we would rue the day, had Saddam Hussein been in power.
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18,635
So we use diplomacy every chance we get, believe me.
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18,636
And I would hope to never have to use force.
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18,637
But by speaking clearly and sending messages that we mean what we say, we've affected the world in a positive way.
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18,640
Libya is now peacefully dismantling its weapons programs.
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18,641
Libya understood that America and others will enforce doctrine and that the world is better for it.
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18,645
Jim, the president just said something extraordinarily revealing and frankly very important in this debate.
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18,647
Saddam Hussein didn't attack us.
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18,651
With the American military forces nearby and in the field, we didn't use the best trained troops in the world to go kill the world's number one criminal and terrorist.
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18,654
That's the enemy that was allowed to walk out of those mountains.
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18,657
That is just factually incorrect.
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18,658
Two-thirds of the country was a no-fly zone when we started this war.
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18,660
We would have had the U.N. inspectors.
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18,662
If the president had shown the patience to go through another round of resolution, to sit down with those leaders, say, "What do you need, what do you need now, how much more will it take to get you to join us?"
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18,665
First of all, of course I know Osama bin Laden attacked us.
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18,667
And secondly, to think that another round of resolutions would have caused Saddam Hussein to disarm, disclose, is ludicrous, in my judgment.
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18,668
It just shows a significant difference of opinion.
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18,671
He was hoping to turn a blind eye.
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18,672
And, yes, he would have been stronger had we not dealt with him.
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18,673
He had the capability of making weapons, and he would have made weapons.
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18,677
Iran is moving toward nuclear weapons and the world is more dangerous.
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18,680
I'd have made a better choice.
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18,685
That was a great doctrine throughout the Cold War.
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18,688
But if and when you do it, Jim, you have to do it in a way that passes the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons.
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18,689
Here we have our own secretary of state who has had to apologize to the world for the presentation he made to the United Nations.
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18,690
I mean, we can remember when President Kennedy in the Cuban missile crisis sent his secretary of state to Paris to meet with DeGaulle.
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18,696
And Iran and Iraq are now more dangerous -- Iran and North Korea are now more dangerous.
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18,697
Now, whether preemption is ultimately what has to happen, I don't know yet.
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18,698
But I'll tell you this: As president, I'll never take my eye off that ball.
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18,700
And we've watched this president actually turn away from some of the treaties that were on the table.
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18,701
You don't help yourself with other nations when you turn away from the global warming treaty, for instance, or when you refuse to deal at length with the United Nations.
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18,702
You have to earn that respect.
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18,703
And I think we have a lot of earning back to do.
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18,708
Let me tell you one thing I didn't sign, and I think it shows the difference of our opinion -- the difference of opinions.
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18,711
And I wouldn't join it.
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18,712
And I understand that in certain capitals around the world that that wasn't a popular move.
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18,713
But it's the right move not to join a foreign court that could -- where our people could be prosecuted.
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18,714
My opponent is for joining the International Criminal Court.
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18,717
But I'm not going to make decisions that I think are wrong for America.
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18,721
North Korea, first, I do.
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18,722
Let me say -- I certainly hope so.
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18,726
And in Crawford, Texas, Jiang Zemin and I agreed that the nuclear-weapons-free peninsula, Korean Peninsula, was in his interest and our interest and the world's interest.
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18,727
And so we began a new dialogue with North Korea, one that included not only the United States, but now China.
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18,729
As well, we included South Korea, Japan and Russia.
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18,730
So now there are five voices speaking to Kim Jong Il, not just one.
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18,731
And so if Kim Jong Il decides again to not honor an agreement, he's not only doing injustice to America, he'd be doing injustice to China, as well.
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18,733
It's not going to work if we open up a dialogue with Kim Jong Il.
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18,739
There's a special protocol recently been passed that allows for inspections.
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18,743
With respect to Iran, the British, French, and Germans were the ones who initiated an effort without the United States, regrettably, to begin to try to move to curb the nuclear possibilities in Iran.
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18,746
If they weren't willing to work a deal, then we could have put sanctions together.
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18,750
And we knew where the fuel rods were.
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18,751
And we knew the limits on their nuclear power.
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18,752
Colin Powell, our secretary of state, announced one day that we were going to continue the dialog of working with the North Koreans.
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18,755
And for two years, this administration didn't talk at all to North Korea.
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18,758
That happened on this president's watch.
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18,765
I want bilateral talks which put all of the issues, from the armistice of 1952, the economic issues, the human rights issues, the artillery disposal issues, the DMZ issues and the nuclear issues on the table.
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18,769
That's exactly what Kim Jong Il wants.
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18,771
The breach on the agreement is highly enriched uranium.
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18,775
We can't sanction them any more.
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18,777
And finally, we were a party to the convention -- to working with Germany, France and Great Britain to send their foreign ministers into Iran.
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18,787
In order for the sanctions to be effective, we should have been working with the British, French and Germans and other countries.
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18,788
And that's the difference between the president and me.
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18,789
And there, again, he sort of slid by the question.
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18,790
Now, with respect to Darfur, yes, it is a genocide.
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18,791
And months ago, many of us were pressing for action.
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18,792
I think the reason that we're not saying send American troops in at this point is severalfold.
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18,795
We need to do more than that.
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18,797
And that's going to require more than is on the table today.
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18,798
I also believe that it is -- one of the reasons we can't do it is we're overextended.
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18,799
Ask the people in the armed forces today.
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18,802
So this is the way the president has overextended the United States.
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18,806
But I'll tell you this, as president, if it took American forces to some degree to coalesce the African Union, I'd be prepared to do it because we could never allow another Rwanda.
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18,809
Back to Iran, just for a second.
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18,811
That happened long before I arrived in Washington, D.C.
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18,812
In terms of Darfur, I agree it's genocide.
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18,813
And Colin Powell so stated.
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18,816
We will commit more over time to help.
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