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Re: The doctrine of Original Sin
In article <May.12.04.29.14.1993.9997@athos.rutgers.edu> mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael D. Walker) writes:
> My feeling on baptism is this: parents baptize their baby so that the
> baby has the sanctifying grace of baptism (and thus removal of original
> sin) on its soul in the event of an unexpected death.
You are right, Michael.
In John 3:5, Jesus says, "Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the
kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit." That's really what
He said, and He meant it. That verse is the definition of baptism. I don't
have the law book in front of me, but there is a canon law that urges
parents to baptize their children within one week of birth for the very
reason that you state.
--
Randal Lee Nicholas Mandock
Catechist
gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Re: This Year's vs. Next Year's Playoffs
Let's fill in some winners here:
|>
|> Well, since someone probably wanted to know, here's this year's playoff
|> matchups on the left, and what the matchups would be next year under the
|> new alignment and playoff-matchup rules. The same 16 teams make the playoffs
|> under next year's rules, and three of the first round matchups are the same
|> (QUE-MTL, CHI-STL, VAN-WIN).
|>
|> PIT --+ +-- CHI | PIT --+ +-- CHI
|> +PIT+ +CHI+ | +---+ +---+
|> NJ --+ | | +-- STL | BUF --+ | | +-- STL
|> +NYI+ +DET+ | +---+ +---+
|> WAS --+ | | | | +-- DET | QUE --+ | | | | +-- TOR
|> +NYI+ | | +DET+ | +---+ | | +---+
|> NYI --+ | *BOS*| +-- TOR | MTL --+ | | +-- CAL
|> +------+ | +------+
|> BOS --+ | DET | +-- VAN | WAS --+ | | +-- VAN
|> +BOS+ | | +VAN+ | +---+ | | +---+
|> BUF --+ | | | | +-- WIN | NJ --+ | | | | +-- WIN
|> +BOS+ +VAN+ | +---+ +---+
|> QUE --+ | | +-- CAL | BOS --+ | | +-- DET
|> +QUE+ +CAL+ | +---+ +---+
|> MTL --+ +-- LA | NYI --+ +-- LA
|>
Just my thoughts,
Chris
downec@rpi.edu
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Re: Ulf and all...
drozinst@db.erau.edu (Drozinski Tim) writes:
>As if an aluminum stick being taken to Ulf's head is gonna solve the problem
>with violence in the sport of hockey. How the hell can you say the guy is
>a goon and justify it, with your back-assward mentality? Saying that hurting
>a player will solve anyone's problems is asinine. New rules and a new
>referee system need to be instituted. Right now, too many of the real goons
>get away with too much, because the ref is watching the play (or supposed to be:I've seen Koharski and Van Hellemond, to name a few, with their heads up their asses on a few calls) rather than keeping an eye on the goofballs behind the
>play. Even if the linesmen were able to call all penalties, it would be an
>improvement.
Unfortunately, that is the way the league is heading... You can't fight,
so the only way to retaliate against someone is with a cheap shot when
the ref isn't looking. Ulf has brought this to a high level... Players
stuck in the past (like Neely) who prefer fights to cheap shots
are at a disadvantage in the new system.
Lets face it, A cheap shot (like high sticking) is a very effective
method... It is easier to hide from the refs, has a better chance of
causing injury, and you can draw people into fights that way. I don't
like it, but that's the way the league is going.
By the way, there was a rather good hit by Ulf in the last Penguin-Devil
game. Managed to hit the NJ player in the face with a stick. (Must have been a
legal hit... After all, Ulf is a clean player and is allowed to do
things like that.)
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
ATI Graphics Ultra Pro problem!
I have the following problem on a Dell 450SE with the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro
EISA:
When I start Windows, the first 5 times I try to run an application, it does
not start. Windows will show the following error message:
Error Executing application. There is not enough memory to run the
application.
After the first 5 tries, the application I want to run will start, and
afterwards there are no more problems. When I change the Video driver from
Mach 32 to 8514/a, this problem does not occur, so I suspect the ATI
drivers (I tried both the build 55 and build 59 driver).
Does anyone have a clue?
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tel. +31 40 742209 Prof. Holstlaan 4
fax. +31 40 744810 5656 AA Eindhoven
email: vharten@prl.philips.nl The Netherlands
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Re: Bursitis and laser treatment
In article <1993Apr17.190104.14072@freenet.carleton.ca>, ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) writes:
|>
|> My family doctor and the physiotherapist (PT) she sent me to agree that the
|> pain in my left shoulder is bursitis. I have an appointment with an orthpod
|> (I love that, it's short for 'orthopedic surgeon, apparently) but while I'm
|> waiting the PT is treating me.
|>
|> She's using hot packs, ultrasound, and lasers, but there's no improvement
|> yet. In fact, I almost suspect it's getting worse.
|>
|> My real question is about the laser treatment. I can't easily imagine what
|> the physical effect that could have on a deep tissue problem. Can anyone
|> shed some light (so to speak) on the matter?
If it works it's only due to the heat produced by the laser.
-philippe
| 13sci.med |
Re: How to beat the Pens
You can't. But good luck trying.
Jim
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Re: Please tell me they're not permenant scratches!
In a previous article, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) says:
>Catherine Barbara Saum <cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>>Is there a way to wax out a dull finish (minor scrathes)? While
>>"passngering" on my fiance's Bandit, my hip-pack rubbed against the tail
>>and left a nasty dull finish and teeny scratches. Is there a way to get
>>rid of these? Buff them out? Wax them out?
>>help!
Okay, here's what to do. Get a drill and a sanding disk. Use, say a
100 disk and go at it at a very low rpm. If you don't have a drill, try
coarse steel wool and brake fluid. Dot 4 has an uncanny knack for removing
_any_ paint imperfections.
Oh, I'm not responsible for misuse or miapplication of either of these
techniques.
--
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Re: RE: re: Challenge to Microsoft supporters.
In article <twalls.02vo@ncc1701d.demon.co.uk> twalls@ncc1701d.demon.co.uk (Tim Walls) writes:
>From: twalls@ncc1701d.demon.co.uk (Tim Walls)
>Subject: Re: RE: re: Challenge to Microsoft supporters.
>Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 19:23:26 +0000
>In article <9MAY93.20570058@vax.clarku.edu> rmohns@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>But I don't want to have to run blasted Windows every time I want to delete
>a tree - it is absolutely ludicrous to load a hog like that just to delete
>some files! It would be like requiring a crane to change the tyre on a car.
You don't, and never had to. That's what enhanced shells are for. Remember
4DOS and NDOS? I mean, come on, you can't expect DOS to cover everything
from R1.0. Microsoft has other projects to work on.
>> They want you to move to Windows 3.1, then later to Win32, and eventually to
>> Cairo. This way they give you a reason to.
>
>By deliberately crippling the product? Surely no...
>
>Oh, hold on, I guess you're right. That certainly stinks of MicroSoft
>marketing techniques.
I don't think they deliberately crippled the project. On the other hand, it
IS a technical achievement for what it does considering that it rides on
top of DOS. I mean, you get a GUI with reasonable speed on a PC. With
XWindows running on top of Linux or something similar you're still gonna
need a fast processor.
[Re: DOS's death]
>Well Amen to that, but I wish it were a damn sight deader. For a dead
>product, its used an awful lot. And I suspect its going to carry on
>twitching for a long while yet, which isn't doing anyone any good.
Except for the people who use DOS programs, which means about 75% or more of
the business world.
-->> Mike
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Re: 17" Monitors
In article <C5pIsw.Kq8@cs.mcgill.ca> gerardis@cs.mcgill.ca (The GIF Emporium) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>a while. That is the only thing that is making me lean more in favor
>of the NEC 5FG (or now also available the NEC 5FGe - only difference,
>no ACCUCOLOR ). Any experiences or opinions from people who have used
Not only do you lose AccuColor, you also had to give up 1280x1024
non-interlaced mode, the wider 135 Mhz bandwidth and the Mac
and BNC inputs of the 5FG.
Personally I am not bothered at all by the two lines in
trinitron tube.
> Tony Gerardis @ McGill University - Computer Science
+----------------------------------------------------------------+
Stephen Lau, Elec. Engineering, Univ. of Hawaii
don't have my own account until grad. school starts (autumn 93)
+ Death to FM synthesis! Go Gus! +
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Polaroid Palette system?????????????????????
Does anyone have any information on the Polaroid Palette system. It appears to
be a gadget for transfering graphics images to film. Does anyone have any detail
about it like the maximum supported resolution or types of video input????
What did Polaroid market them as?????
Fletch
--
"All irregularities will be handled by the forces controlling each dimension.
Trans-uranic heavy elements may not be used where there is Life. Medium atomic
weights are available -- Gold, Lead, Copper, Jet, Diamond, Radium, Sapphire,
Silver, and Steel. --- Sapphire and Steel have been assigned......."
| 1comp.graphics |
Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
>Course, the only people who seem to be acting smug now probably have chain
>final drive (which, as we all know, is less efficient and has higher
} maintenance) and probably didn't know the answer at the start of the thread.
>
>Anyway, I have Laz's solemn assurance that he/she/it was serious with the 'only
>paralevers can pull "true" wheelies' assertion, whatever the hell that means.
>
>Doug Rinckes drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp New Zealand TSSC Ltd
>1976 BMW R100S 1960 BMW R60 1940 Indian 741A
Uh, Doug, I don't know what school of thought your from, but chain
drive are MUCH more efficient than shafties. End of story. Period.
But I will give you that shafties are much less maintenance intensive...
Ethan
+==============================================================================+
| Ethan Bowerman DoD# 682 1983 CB650SC Nighthawk |
| -- "Hey... who cuts yer' hair man?" __ "Nothing clears the mind quite |
| -- Cheech and Chong like a maxed out tach and a |
| -- "A closed mouth contains no feet." buried speedometer." |
| -- Unknown -- Me |
+==============================================================================+
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Fluids vs Liquids
west@next02.wam.umd.edu (Brian West) writes:
[ deleted ]
>A similar analogy can be made with glass. For those of you who don't
>know, glass is a liquid (go ask your science teacher) and DOES flow.
[ deleted ]
If your science teacher tells you glass is a liquid, try to get a different
science teacher B^). Glass is a supercooled fluid, it is not a liquid (except
at very high temperatures). The definition of liquid includes "readily takes
the form of its container". Let's try to be more accurate here. We don't want
people to think we're creationists now do we?
UUCP: uunet!tektronix!sail!mikec or M.Cranford
uunet!tektronix!sail.labs.tek.com!mikec Principal Troll
ARPA: mikec%sail.LABS.TEK.COM@RELAY.CS.NET Resident Skeptic
CSNet: mikec@sail.LABS.TEK.COM TekLabs, Tektronix
| 0alt.atheism |
Tool to convert a gif file to xpm pixmap format
I need the tool described in the subject line. Is there such a
tool available via ftp? If so, I'd appreciate it if someone could
e-mail me the location and pathname.
Thanks.
-------------
Saad Mufti
Personal Library Software
e-mail : mufti@pls.com
| 5comp.windows.x |
Re: 16Mb ISA limit
rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us writes in article <C5J6zn.681@mts.mivj.ca.us>:
>
> marka@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Mark Ashley) writes:
>
> >Then the writer claims that glitches can
> >occur in systems with over 16Mb because
> >of that limit. That part I don't understand
> >because the RAM is right on the motherboard.
> >So the cpu should have no problems talking
> >with the RAM. Can anybody explain this ?
The floppy is served by DMA on the motherboard,
and original DMA-controller can't reach more than the first
16MB (The address-space of the ISA-bus)
joerg
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Re: Why does Apple give us a confusing message?
In <C5nGII.BGx@news2.cis.umn.edu> bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian
Buntan-1) writes:
>Does anyone know why Apple has an ambiguous message for C650 regarding
>fpu? In all Mac price lists I've seen, every C650 as the message "fpu:
>optional". I know from what we've discussed in this newsgroup that all
>C650 have the fpu built in except the 4/80 configuration. Why would they
>be so unclear about this issue in their price list?
Perhaps the reason is simple--maybe the marketing people who put together
the brochures and price lists weren't clear on the FPU issue.
Afterall, Apple's literature is not always 100% correct. A funny one I
noticed recently is that some of the brochures on the Macs with CD
capability refer to the "auto inkjet" feature. This should have read "auto
inject" feature (as it does on some other correct brochures I've seen from
Apple). Since it was correct on some older brochures, I can only guess
that someone edited the copy, saw "inject" and thought it was a typo and
changed it to the more familiar word "inkjet".
Hmmm, what would that be? A printer built into the CD player? A way of
*writing* information to a CD? :-) :-)
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die
In article r2g@agate.berkeley.edu, robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <1quaq9$i7d@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>In article 28353@cbnewsm.cb.att.com, shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>>>Don't you mean "former motorcyclist?"
>>
>>No.
>
>>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation...
Yep.
---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said,
DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do...
| 8rec.motorcycles |
The Kuebelwagen??!!
Sorry for the mis-spelling, but I forgot how to spell it after
my series of exams and NO-on hand reference here.
Is it still possible to get those cute WWII VW Jeep-wanna-be's?
A replica would be great I think.
-TKH '93
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If I can convert a C=128 to a C128T, I can do anything... NOT!!
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| 7rec.autos |
Re: Single Launch Space Station
: Andy Cohen <Cohen@ssdgwy.mdc.com> writes:
: >the Single Launch Core Station concept. A Shuttle external tank and solid
: >rocket boosters would be used to launch the station into orbit. Shuttle
: >main engines would be mounted to the tail of the station module for launch
: >and jettisoned after ET separation.
Karl Dishaw (0004244402@mcimail.com) replied:
: Why jettison the SSMEs? Why not hold on to them and have a shuttle
: bring them down to use as spares?
One performance reason comes to mind: if you jettison the SSME's, you
don't have to drag them with you when you perform your circularization
burn(s). On-orbit, SSME's are just dead weight, since we don't have an
SSME H2/O2 pressurization mechanism which works in zero-G. This means
that you can't use them for re-boost or anything else. Dead weight has
a couple of advantages, but more disadvantages.
Throw-away SSME's might let us use some of the old SSME's which are not-
quite-man-ratable. But I doubt we'd do that; the cost of a launch
failure is too high.
-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368
"...Development of the space station is as inevitable as
the rising of the sun." -- Wernher von Braun
| 14sci.space |
Re: Compiling ghostview under Sun OpenWindows 3
In article <C75z4A.8r7@curia.ucc.ie> pflynn@curia.ucc.ie (Peter Flynn) writes:
<Due it seems to Sun's crapulous organisation of the X libraries and includes,
<most standard (GNU and other) software won't compile out of the box (well, tar
<file).
<
<Right now I'm trying to make ghostview. It complains it can't find X11/XaW/...
<so I just linked (ln -s) the files from /usr/openwin/share/include/X11 and
<now the ghoddam thing _still_ complains it can't find them.
<
<I still haven't been able to compile xdvi, not no way.
<
<Has anyone _ever_ managed to get _anything_ normal to compile on a Sun
<(SunOS 4.1.3 and OpenWindows 3)? What's the trick I'm missing? I've even
<tried hard copying all the relevant files into the "right" places and
<every time, there's some bit missing or it refuses to find it.
Sounds like you didn't load the support for those libraries when OW3.0 was
loaded. The Xaw support was missing from OW2.0 but added in 3.0.
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| 5comp.windows.x |
Re: Candida(yeast) Bloom, Fact or Fiction
In article <1rp8p1$2d3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, esd3@po.CWRU.Edu (Elisabeth S. Davidson) writes:
>
> In a previous article, banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu () says:
>>least a few "enlightened" physicians practicing in the U.S. It's really
>>too bad that most U.S. medical schools don't cover nutrition because if
>>they did, candida would not be viewed as a non-disease by so many in the
>>medical profession.
>
> Case Western Reserve Med School teaches nutrition in its own section as
> well as covering it in other sections as they apply (i.e. B12
> deficiency in neuro as a cause of neuropathy, B12 deficiency in
> hematology as a cause of megaloblastic anemia), yet I sill
> hold the viewpoint of mainstream medicine: candida can cause
> mucocutaneous candidiasis, and, in already very sick patients
> with damaged immune systems like AIDS and cancer patients,
> systemic candida infection. I think "The Yeast Connection" is
> a bunch of hooey. What does this have to do with how well
> nutrition is taught, anyway?
Elisabeth, let's set the record straight for the nth time, I have not read
"The Yeast Connection". So anything that I say is not due to brainwashing
by this "hated" book. It's okay I guess to hate the book, by why hate me?
Elisabeth, I'm going to quote from Zinsser's Microbiology, 20th Edition.
A book that you should be familiar with and not "hate". "Candida species
colonize the mucosal surfaces of all humans during birth or shortly
thereafter. The risk of endogenous infection is clearly ever present.
Indeed, candidiasis occurs worldwide and is the most common systemic
mycosis." Neutrophils play the main role in preventing a systemic
infection(candidiasis) so you would have to have a low neutrophil count or
"sick" neutrophils to see a systemic infection. Poor diet and persistent
parasitic infestation set many third world residents up for candidiasis.
Your assessment of candidiasis in the U.S. is correct and I do not dispute
it.
What I posted was a discussion of candida blooms, without systemic
infection. These blooms would be responsible for local sites of irritation
(GI tract, mouth, vagina and sinus cavity). Knocking down the bacterial
competition for candida was proposed as a possible trigger for candida
blooms. Let me quote from Zinsser's again: "However, some factors, such as
the use of a broad-spectrum antibacterial antibiotic, may predispose to
both mucosal and systemic infections". I was addressing mucosal infections
(I like the term blooms better). The nutrition course that I teach covers
this effect of antibiotic treatment as well as the "cure". I guess that
your nutrition course does not, too bad.
>>Here is a brief primer on yeast. Yeast infections, as they are commonly
>>called, are not truely caused by yeasts. The most common organism responsible
>>for this type of infection is Candida albicans or Monilia which is actually a
>>yeast-like fungus.
>
> Well, maybe I'm getting picky, but I always thought that a yeast
> was one form that a fungus could exist in, the other being the
> mold form. Many fungi can occur as either yeasts or molds,
> depending on environment. Candida exibits what is known as
> reverse dimorphism - it exists as a mold in the tissues
> but exists as a yeast in the environment. Should we maybe
> call it a mold infection? a fungus infection? Maybe we
> should say it is caused by a mold-like fungus.
>
>>
>>Martin Banschbach, Ph.D.
>>Professor of Biochemistry and Chairman
>>Department of Biochemistry and Microbiology
>>OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine
>>1111 West 17th St.
>>Tulsa, Ok. 74107
>>
>
> You're the chairman of Biochem and Micro and you didn't know
> that a yeast is a form of a fungus? (shudder)
> Or maybe you did know, and were oversimplifying?
My, my Elisabeth, do I detect a little of Steve Dyer in you? If you
noticed my faculty rank, I'm a biochemist, not a microbiologist.
Candida is classifed as a fungus(according to Zinsser's). But, as you point
out, it displays dimorphism. It is capable of producing yeast cells,
pseudohyphae and true hyphae. Elisabeth, you are probably a microbiologist
and that makes a lot of sense to you. To a biochemist, it's a lot of
Greek. So I called it a yeast-like fungus, go ahead and crucify me.
You know Elisabeth, I still haven't been able to figure out why such a small
little organism like Candida can bring out so much hostility in people in
Sci. Med. And I must admitt that I got sucked into the mud slinging too.
I keep hoping that if people will just take the time to think about what
I've said, that it will make sense. I'm not asking anyone here to buy into
"The Yeast Connection" book because I don't know what's in that book, plain
and simple. And to be honest with you, I'm beginning to wish that it was never
written.
Marty B.
| 13sci.med |
Depression
Some of the MD's in this newsgroup have been riding my butt pretty good
(maybe in some cases with good reason). In this post on depression, I'm
laying it all out. I'll continue to post here because I think that I have
some knowledge that could be useful. Once you have read this post, you
should know where I'm coming from when I post again in the future.
In article <123552@netnews.upenn.edu>, lchaplyn@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Lida Chaplynsky) writes:
>
> A family member of mine is suffering from a severe depression brought on
> by menopause as well as a mental break down. She is being treated with
> Halydol with some success but the treatments being provided through her
> psychiatrist are not satisfactory. Someone suggested contacting a
> nutritionist to
> discuss alternative treatment. Since she is sensitive to medication, I
> think this is a good suggestion but don't know where to begin. If anyone
> can suggest a Philly area nutritionist, or else some literature to read,
> I'd appreciate it.
Lida,
I can emphasize with your situation. Both my wife and I suffered from
bouts of depression. Her's was brought on by breast cancer and mine was a
rebound stress reaction to her modified radical mastectomy and
chemotherapy. Lida, I used my knowledge of nutrition to get her through
her six months of chemotherapy(with the approval of her oncologist). When
severe depression set in a few months after the chemo stopped, I tried to
use supplements to bring her out of it. I had "cured" her PMS using
supplements and I really thought that I knew enough about the role of diet
in depression to take care of her depression as well. It didn't work and
she was put on Prozac by her oncologist. Two Winters ago(three years after
by wife's breast cancer) I got hit with severe depression(pretty typical and
one reason why many marriages break up after breast cancer or another
stressor). I tried to take care of it for several months with
supplementation. Didn't work. My internist ended up putting me on Prozac.
I was going to give you a list of several studies that have been done using
B6, niacin, folate and B12 to "cure" depression. I'm not going to do that
because all you would be doing is flying blind like I was.
Lida, I do believe that depression can have a dietary component. But the
problem is that you need to know exactly what the problem is and then use
an approach which will "fix" the problem. For chemotherapy, I knew exactly
what drugs were going to be used and exactly what nutrients would be
affected. Same thing for PMS. I was flying blind for both of these
stressors but the literature that I used to devise a treatment program was
pretty good. Depression is just too complicated. What you really need is
a nutritional scan. This is not a diet analysis but an analysis of your
bodies nutrient reserves. For every vitamin and mineral(except vitamin C),
you have a reserve. The RDA is not designed to give you enough of any
nutrient to keep these reserves full, it is only designed to keep them from
being emptied which would cause clinical pathology. Stress will increase
your need for many vitamins and minerals. This is when your reserves become
very important.
Lida, without your permission, I'm going to use your post as a conduit to
try to explain to the readers in this group and Sci. Med. where I'm coming
from. I have taught a course on human nutrition in one of the Osteopathic
Medical schools for ten years now. I've written my own textbook because
none was available. What I teach is not a rehash of biochemistry. I
preach nutrient reserves(yes my lectures in this course are referred to by
my students as sermons). Here is what I cover:
Indroduction and Carbohydrates Lipids
Proteins I Proteins II
Energy Balance Evaluation of Nutritional
Status I, A Clinical
Perspective
Evaluation of Nutritional Status II, Evaluation of Nutritional
A Biochemical Perspective Status III, Homework
Assignment Using the
Nutritionist IV Diet and
Fitness Analysis Software
program
Weight Control Food Fads and Facts
Age-Related Change in Nutrient Requirements Food Additives,
Contaminants and Cancer
Drug-Nutrient Interactions Mineral and Water Balance
Sodium, Potassium and Chloride Calcium, Magnesium and
Phosphorus
Iron Zinc and Copper
Iodine and Fluoride Other Trace Minerals
Vitamin A Vitamin E
Vitamins D and K Vitamin C
Thiamin and Niacin Riboflavin and Pyridoxine
Pantothenic and Folic acids Biotin and B12
Other Nutrient Factors Enteral Nutrition
Parenteral Nutrition
Every three years I spend my entire Summer reviewing the Medical literature
to find material that I can use in my nutrition textbook. I last did this
in the Summer of 1991. I read everything that I can find and then sit down
and rewrite my lecture handouts which are bound in three separate books
that have 217, 237 and 122 pages. Opposite each page of written text(which
I write myself) I've pulled figures, tables and graphs from various
copyrighted sources. Since this material is only being used for
educational purposes, I can get around the copyright laws (so far). I can not
send this material out to newsgroup readers(as I've been asked to do).
I am now in the process of trying to get a grant to setup a nutrition
assessment lab. This is the last peice of the nutrition puzzle that I need
to make my education program complete. This lab will let me measure the
nutrient reserve for almost all the vitamins and minerals that are known to
be required in humans. The Mayo clinic already uses a similiar lab to
design supplement programs for their cancer patients. Cancer Treatment
Centers of America, which is a private for-profit organization with
hospitals in Illinois and Oklahoma(Tulsa) also operates a
nutritional assessment clinical lab. I also believe that the Pritikin
Clinic in California has a similiar lab setup.
For physicians reading this post, I would suggest that you get the new
Clinical Nutrition Textbook that has just been published(Feb) by Mosby. I
have been using Alpers Manual of Nutritional Therapeutics(a Little Brown
series book) as a supplemental text for my course but Alpers is geared more
to residency training. Two M.D's have written this new Clinical Nutrition
textbook and it is geared more towards medical student education and it
does a good job of covering the lab tests that can be run to assess a
patient's nutritional status. Let me quote a few sentences from the
Preface of this new text:
"So-called nutrition specialists were in reality gastroenterologists,
hematologists, or pediatricians who just happened to profess some knowledge
of nutrition as it related to their field of practice."
"Unfortunately, about two thirds of the medical schools in the United
States require no formal instruction in nutrition."
"But times and medical practice have changed. More than half of the
leading causes of death in this country are nutrition related."
"... this monograph should accomplish the following two objectives: (1) it
should complement your medical training by emphasizing the relevance of
nutrition to your medical practice; and (2) it should heighten your
awareness of nutrition as a medical speciality that is vitally important
for both disease prevention and the treatment of diseases of essentially
every organ system."
Roland L. Weinsier, MD, DrPH
Lida, my advise to you is that you tell your family members to try to find
a physician who has an understanding of the role that vitamins and minerals
(yes even magnesium may play a role in depression) play in depression and
who could get a nutritional profile run. Menopause is often a time when
women suffer depression. There are a lot of hormonal changes that are
occuring but they are not the same ones that occur during PMS. A
nutritionist may also be able to help. Not too long ago a poster mentioned
that his nutritionist had diagnosed a selenium deficiency based on a red
cell glutathionine peroxidase test(the specific test for the selenium
reserve). Most clinical labs will not run this test and I advised him to
try to make sure that the lab that did the test was certified. There are
also a lot of hair and nail analysis labs setup to do trace mineral
analysis but these labs are not regulated. Checks of these labs using
certified standards, and also those doing water lead analysis, showed some
pretty shoddy testing was going on. If you or anyone else finds someone
who will run these speciality nutrition tests, make sure that they are
using a lab that has been certified under CLIA(the Clinical Laboratory
Improvement Act).
A diet analysis may be helpful since many nutrient reserves have been shown
to correlate fairly well with the dietary intake as monitored by food logging
and software analysis(Nutritionist IV and other software programs). But
there are still about half of the nutrients required by humans that do not
show a very good correlation between apparent dietary intake and reserve status.
Until we have more nutritional assessment clinical labs in operation in the
U.S. and physicians who have been trained how to use the nutritional
profile that these labs provide to devise a treatment approach that uses
diet changes and supplementation, anti-depressants will probably continue
to be the best approach to depression.
Martin Banschbach, Ph.D.
Professor of Biochemistry and Chairman
Department of Biochemistry and Microbiology
OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine
"Without discourse, there is no remembering, without remembering, there is
no learning, without learning, there is only ignorance."
| 13sci.med |
Re: Riddle me this...
In article <1993Apr20.050550.4660@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> j979@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (FULLER M) writes:
>That the gas was "not harmful", as the sensitive, caring Janet Reno described
>it?
Is it? As far as I know, tear gas, especially in large concentrations,
is very dangerous (even toxic) for small children. This makes the
FBI's supposedconcern for the safety of the children seem rather
hypocritical.
Frank Crary
CU Boulder
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Re: Was "Re: Safety": From how far can you see a car ?
In article <C4rvKM.367@plato.ds.boeing.com> simnet@plato.ds.boeing.com (Mark R Poulson) writes:
>ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes:
>> You will be surprised at the number of people who forget their glasses
>> while driving. And then there are the people who just plain don't get
>> their eyes checked once a year.
>
>As someone who has lousy vision, I can see objects at a distance without
>my glasses. However, they are quite fuzzy and I may not be able to make
>out the details. But I can certainly tell that SOMETHING is there.
I won't argue too much about anything. I am probably one of those that
think that we can't have enough safety on the roads. I would gladly
sacrifice distractions (as you call it), than someone having trouble seeing
danger earlier. One saved life justifies more than my lifetime of "distractions"
for me.
>> And then there is dawn and dusk. When your eyes have not yet adjusted
>> to the poor light. And there are those who drive black/grey cars. And
>> then there is the case where you are driving down a two-way one lane
>> road, and someone is overtaking cars, and coming the opposite direction
>> doesn't see you because your lights are not on. Or vice versa. At 60mph,
>> that is quite a small reaction time. But of course, we are too macho to
>> think we are invincible and can react faster than that.... Only the poor
>> sod who you didn't see might not have a normal life ever...
>
>I worked out the reaction time in a previous post and its PLENTY, even for
>an 80 year old grandma, as long as speeds are in the 60 MPH range or less.
>If you or some other driver is going way faster than that, then be careful.
>
>As always, you are responsible for your driving actions. If you pull out to
>pass and crash into someone (for whatever reason) its YOUR fault. If you can't
Problem is that, I may just kill the guy. I agree that I would be at fault,
and I will have my license revoked, why, I might even go to the gas chamber.
But the fact still remains that the guy is dead. Someone died because I
was too stingy to put on my lights.
>see a damn thing, then you shouldn't be driving -- lights fail, fallen trees
>or rocks don't have lights, etc.... I maintain that headlight strength
The ratio of the probability of fallen trees/rocks on the roads to
oncoming traffic is too low to even be considered. The difference is also
working on what we *know* could happen, to what *might* happen.
>running lights are not necessary for motorists who drive around 60MPH. It may
>be a good idea to force the running or headlights on when you turn your
>windshield wipers on, but only because some people are too stupid to do so.
>If you crash into one of those idiots, you have to fight it out in court to
>show his neglegence (if you can even prove it).
>> Just out of curiosity, how much gas-milage do you loose when you put
>> your lights on? And how much do you reduce the life of your head-lamps?
>> And what is the cost of your headlamps anyway?
>
>Mileage is certainly reduced, but by a very very small amount (probably
>about 110 watts for head and running lights). This is an extra 1/7 horsepower
>that must be made by the engine. It may be that this will cost you around two
>gallons a year. But times 200 million cars, that's a lot of gas.
Compared to the number of gallons of gas consumed by those 200 million cars,
it is miniscule!
Whatever..... 'tis a pity I have to share the same roads with a person
not concerned with safety.
-S
ssave@ole.cdac.com
>Lamp life is measured in hours. So if you normally drive in half daylight and
>half night, your lamps will have to be replaced twice as often. Headlamps
>only cost about $10US for most halogen lamps.
>
>The cost to the individual is trivial and to me is not the issue. What I
>don't like is the distractions all these cars with headlights cause. I don't
>need to constantly see the headlights of the vehicle behind me. I don't need
>to see the headlights of every gosh darn car for a mile down the road. These
>lit up cars make non-illuminated things LESS visible (like pedistrians and
>bikes). Hopefully we're not going to mandate DRL's for people and bikes
>too.
>
>A stream of taillights is tolerable as are the orange front running lights.
>This is certainly sufficient for other people to see you (if they look) and
>doesn't distract me nearly as much as full power headlights.
>
> Mark
| 7rec.autos |
Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor
regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
: In article <1993Mar30.001428.7648@pony.Ingres.COM> dan@Ingres.COM (a Rose arose) writes:
:
: Seriously, though, Griffen didn't save the lives of children, and he did
: destroy the life of a man, so on the most superficial of levels, he's scum.
:
I almost agree, but Griffen is not scum. Scum has no guilt or freedom to
choose anything. Griffen does. God did not make scum when he made Griffen.
He made a precious person and this person chose to do wrong. The same goes
for Dr. Gunn.
: But if you are to examine it more closely, Griffen would have preferred that
: these children were born -- yet AFTER their birth, did Griffen have any
: assistance to offer them? Did Griffen intend to support them, educate them,
: raise them up to be useful citizens? Did he have any intent whatsoever
: to help these children after birth?
:
Here's the real problem. Americans have become so insensitive to the needs
of others and so completely wrapped up in themselves that they cannot see
straight or think clearly enough to make even the slightest and most obvious
moral decisions based on reality.
If a man abandons a woman to care for their child on her own, he is not
considered to be a very respectable or decent man by anyone. This man has
fled his responsibility, has behaved like a lazy coward, and has turned
away from his responsibility to his wife and child.
However, if a woman decides to kill her unborn child to release her burden,
she is not thought of in the same way. When the man abandons, the woman
suffers but the child is free to grow up and live a happy and normal life.
When the woman abandons, the child is diced or killed with saline or vacuumed
out, and the man has no choice, and the man sometimes suffers so badly that
he wishes he could trade places with his child.
Ths root of this whole problem is selfishness--the arrogance that says, "My
feelings and desires are supreme and your well being is not worth dung."
And when you come down to it, this is the substance of what hell is made of.
It's the reason a loving God can throw selfish people to the devil and his
demons for all of eternity. Let any one of us unrepentant into heaven, and
we'll ruin it the first chance we get.
: Now, I don't really know the answer to these questions, but I've got a real
: good guess.
:
And, it's probably right.
: And I wouldn't call *that* 'benevolent', either.
:
It is a move in the right direction. As it is now, we don't see our
responsibility because we kill it and get it out of sight. The media
backs us completely. Real responsibility does not sell. The only
"responsibility" that sells in the marketplace is that which is just
enough to make us "feel responsible" without showing anything that
might show us our own true irresponsibility. We want to "feel" like
good people, but we want nothing with *being* good people. Just give
me the freedom to say "I'm good", and the rest of the world can burn.
Rape and kill my children and throw my parents to the places where
poor old folks rot until they're dead. I'll hate my brother and sister
if I wish and I'll cheat on my wife or husband. Screw the government,
because it screws me, and don't talk to me about giving to the church
because church people are all a bunch of money grubbing hypocrites.
But, I'm a good person. At least I admit what I do. At least I love
myself and we all know that is the greatest love in the world--not that
a man lay down his life for his brother...That sounds too "christian".
At the root, this is the substance of what hell is made of.
We've become a self indulgant, backslidden society no longer responsible
to our children, to our parents, to our families, to our government, or
to our God. This is the root behind justification of every evil, of every
corruption in government, of every slanderous remark, of every lie, and
of every murder. Society cannot continue to live like this long. it will
have to destroy itsself soon, and perhaps in the end, that will be the
biggest blessing this world can hope to see.
Why do people see so much evil in trying to turn this situation around?
--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"I deplore the horrible crime of child murder...
We want prevention, not merely punishment.
We must reach the root of the evil...
It is practiced by those whose inmost souls revolt
from the dreadful deed...
No mater what the motive, love of ease,
or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent,
the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed...
but oh! thrice guilty is he who drove her
to the desperation which impelled her to the crime."
- Susan B. Anthony,
The Revolution July 8, 1869
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Houston - Auto insurance.
Hello,
I am moving to Houston to go to Rice University for graduate school.
I will be living on the corner of S. Mian and University Blvd. I was
wondering what kind of liability rates to expect. Here is the relevent
info.
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Age: 23
Status: Single
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Car: 1982 Ford Crown Victoria, 4 door
If anyone can check the above info, or is in a similar situation please
E-MAIL me the rates they find out or pay. Thanks for your help in advance.
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| 7rec.autos |
Re: Damn Ferigner's Be Taken Over
In article <01APR93.17160985.0059@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94) writes:
> Mark Anthony Young:
>> PPS: Many Americans have a "special legal status" based on "a mere
>> accident of birth". Only people born in the US can become president
>> of the US. And since Parliament could theoretically replace the Queen
>> with _anyone they want_ (even a "ferigner") US law is in one dimension
>> more restictive than UK law as regards birth privileges.
> This is not just theoretical. Note how "ferigner" William III was
> imported from Holland to kick out local boy James II, [...]
Which provided the basis for the denoument of the film which
introduced Errol Flynn to the world. (Love interest was Olivia de
Havilland, who went on to appear with Flynn in 7 more films.)
[Exercise for non-old-movie buffs: what film was this?]
[Exercise for old movie buffs: what were the 7 more films?]
--
The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
as this would hold such views??? |
| 18talk.politics.misc |
My Predictions For 1993
Since everyone else seems to be running wild with predictions, I've
decided to add my own fuel to the fire:
They might seem a bit normal, but there are a few (albeit, small) surprises.
American League East W L GB
1)New York Yankees 93 69 --
2)Baltimore Orioles 90 72 3
3)Toronto Blue Jays 86 76 7
4)Cleveland Indians 84 78 9
5)Boston Red Sox 77 85 16
6)Milwaukee Brewers 74 88 19
7)Detroit Tigers 73 89 20
American League West W L GB
1)Minnesota Twins 94 68 --
2)Kansas City Royals 92 70 2
3)Texas Rangers 85 77 9
4)Chicago White Sox 77 85 17
5)Oakland Athletics 74 88 20
6)Seattle Mariners 70 92 24
7)California Angels 65 97 29
AL MVP-Kirby Puckett
AL Cy Young-Kevin Appier
AL Rookie of the Year-Tim Salmon
AL Manager of the Year-Buck Showalter
AL Comeback Player of the Year-Ozzie Guillen
National League East W L GB
1)St. Louis Cardinals 91 71 --
2)Philadelphia Phillies 89 73 2
3)Montreal Expos 88 74 3
4)New York Mets 84 78 7
5)Chicago Cubs 79 83 12
6)Pittsburgh Pirates 73 89 18
7)Florida Marlins 54 108 37
National League West W L GB
1)Atlanta Braves 96 66 --
2)Cincinnati Reds 94 68 2
3)Houston Astros 89 73 7
4)Los Angeles Dodgers 82 80 14
5)San Francisco Giants 81 81 15
6)San Diego Padres 75 87 21
7)Colorado Rockies 59 103 37
NL MVP-Barry Larkin
NL Cy Young-John Smoltz
NL Rookie of the Year-Wil Cordero
NL Manager of the Year-Joe Torre
NL Comeback Player of the Year-Eric Davis
NL Champions-St. Louis Cardinals
AL Champions-Minnesota Twins
World Champions-St. Louis Cardinals
The St. Louis picks are what my heart says.
What my brain says, is they will win the division, lose to the Braves
in the NLCS, and the Braves will win the Series against Minnesota.
But for now, I'll stick with the Cards all the way.
Kevin
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Re: Basil, opinions? (Re: Water on the brain)
In article <1993Apr16.141204.21479@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes:
|>
|>
|> BTW, does the Litani River not flow West and not South? I think that its waters
|> stay entirely within Lebanese territory and so what Hasan says about the Jordan
|> River makes no sense, in any case. The Hasbani River, on the other hand, flows
|> into the Jordan, if I am not mistaken.
The Litani river flows in a west-southwestern direction and indeed does
not run through the buffer zone. The Hasbani does flow into the Jordan
but contrary to what our imaginative poster might write, there has been
no increase in the inflow from this river that is not proportional to
climatic changes in rainfall.
|> Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
--
Shai Guday | Stealth bombers,
OS Software Engineer |
Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies.
Cambridge, MA |
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. WHere are they.
In article <ETHANB.93Apr28135146@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu> ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu (Ethan Bradford) writes:
In article <STEINLY.93Apr27121443@topaz.ucsc.edu> steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:
_The_ problem with Oort cloud sources is that absolutely
no plausible mechanism has been proposed. It would have
to involve new physics as far as I can tell. Closest to
"conventional" Oort sources is a model of B-field pinching
by comets, it's got too many holes in it to count, but at
least it was a good try...
So you have a plausible model for GRB's at astronomical distances?
I don't have any plausible models for GRBs at any distances ;-)
Recent observations have just about ruled out the merging neutron star
hypothesis, which had a lot of problems, anyhow. We have to look for
implausible models and what is fundamentally allowed independent of
models.
Hmm, the "superbowl" burst has been claimed in press releases
to cast doubt on the merging NS hypothesis, from what I've read
(and I haven't seen the papers, only the press) I'd say it is
consistent with some of the merging NS models
A paper on the possibility of GRB's in the Oort cloud just came
through the astrophysics abstract service. To get a copy of this
Here is the abstract of that paper.
...
indicator to these events all possible sources which are
isotropically distributed should remain under consideration. This is
why the Oort cloud of comets is kept on the list,
although there is no known mechanism for generating \GRBs
from cometary nuclei. Unlikely as it may seem, the possibility that \GRBs
originate in the solar cometary cloud
cannot be excluded until it is disproved.
This does not propose a _mechanism_ for GRBs in the Oort (and, no,
anti-matter annihilation does not fit the spectra at least as far
as I understand annihilation spectra...). Big difference.
That's ignoring the question of how you fit a distribution
to the Oort distribution when the Oort distribution is not well
known - in particular comet aphelia (which are not well known)
are not a good measure of the Oort cloud distribution...
* Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory *
* steinly@lick.ucsc.edu "standard disclaimer" *
* The laws of gravity are very,very strict *
* And you're just bending them for your own benefit - B.B. 1988*
| 14sci.space |
And... THEY'RE OFF!!!!!
Well, I gotta tell ya,
last night's Leafs game vs the Devils was a nail-bitter LET ME TELL YOU!
It was a well played game by BOTH teams (I thought) but according to the
Don and Ron it was the an "off-night" for the Leafs and the Devils
were outplaying Toronto. Well, I BEG to differ....
IMHO, Clark deserved to be a first star as much as Gilmour did. His
fast breaks towards the net and the good opportunites that he
created reminded me of the Clark of old. (But not to take any of the
credit away from Gilmour).
I think the Leafs are playing GREAT hockey. WHY?
Well first look at their injury list which includes, Cullen, Ellet,
Zezel, Macoun. Of course my question is this....how will the Leafs
fare when they are once again "healthy" if they are playing this well
so far??
Second, just look at their standings, still second in defence,
moved from 11th overall to 6th over in the last month, haven't lost
at home in last 12 games, 8 game undefeated streak..etc.
(BTW, am I wrong or was this Potvin's first shut-out? I can't
remember him having any as of yet.)
Well, as of April 3 we see that the race for first in the Norris
has truly begun and it will be a VERY CLOSE race between Chicago and
Toronto. And the best game of the season will probably be their last
against each other. (is anyone lucky enough to have tickets to
see this one?)
Coming to the stretch and still a ROAR'IN!!!!!
Go LEAFS Go!!!!
--
******************************************
* Alfred (Yong-Jeh) Yim * Toronto wins the
* 4B Mathematics (Actuarial Science) * ( ? ) CUP.
* University of Waterloo, Canada. * i like "coca-cola" idea personally
* E-mail: ayim@descartes.waterloo.edu *
*****************************************************************************
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Re: Branch Athiests Cult (was Rawlins debunks creationism)
In article <1993Apr27.073723.18577@csis.dit.csiro.au> prl@csis.dit.csiro.au (Peter Lamb) writes:
>king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes:
>>Let me try again.
[ out-of context quotes from Mr. King deleted, along with the context,
thoughtfully provided by Mr. Lamb]
John:
Isn't there one of the ten commandments that says something like "you
shall not bear false witness?" And doesn't quoting someone in a way that
completely inverts what they were trying to say constitute bearing false
witness? Doesn't this cause you any internal conflict at all?
I ask this because I am a Christian and I am very perturbed to see the
"creation-science" camp use what I would characterize as sleazy tactics in
order to try to win the "debate." There is a long tradition of Christian
thought that maintains that an essential Christian ethic is that the end does
not justify the means. In other words, HOW you do something is as important
as what it is intended to accomplish. I don't think that using misquoted
excerpts from people who disagree with you brings very much glory to God,
do you?
-- Dave
--
*-------------------------------------------------------------*
* David Knapp dk@imager.llnl.gov (510) 422-1023 *
* 98.7% of all statistics are made up. *
*-------------------------------------------------------------*
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Re: Tieing Abortion to Health Reform -- Is Clinton Nuts?
exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor, The Sounding Board) writes:
>In article <C5tE71.7CM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> parker@ehsn17.cen.uiuc.edu (Robert S. Parker) writes:
>Read the whole thing. There's some pretty hot stuff in here...
Apparently you *didn't* read the whole thing. You continue to miss the point.
>>skinner@sp94.csrd.uiuc.edu (Gregg Skinner) writes:
>>>parker@ehsn17.cen.uiuc.edu (Robert S. Parker) writes:
[deletions]
>[soapbox on]
>If it's ok to pay for legal procedures with gov't money, then let's get the
>government to pay for counselling that provides abortion alternatives.
>Let's get the government to pay for adoption fees. Let's get the government
>to pay for all the things that make abortion "necessary". Why not? They
>are certainly legal procedures.
Counselling that only provides alternatives to abortion would be just as
biased as counselling that only provides *abortion* information. How about
providing counselling that will give a woman help in finding what *she* is
comfortable with.
Your adoption-funding idea may be a good one. Any idea if it is feasable?
>The only way hell is involved is that it is going to be a good skiing resort
>before I give in to paying for abortions. I believe it is wrong, and I
>won't pay for it without a gripe. I'm not for making them unlawful; I'd
>rather spend money on saving lives than a bunch of investigations and court
>hearings and all this other CRAP we are spending our time on.
>You know who's really cleaning up on all this abortion stuff? Lawyers. I
>say let's pass laws to make adoption cheaper, easier, and infinitely more
>supportive of the birth mother. Let's eradicate the stigma, reduce the
>cost, pay the price for life.
Making adoption easier on the birth-mother may help reduce abortion, but
it will *not* eliminate the need for it. Abortion is not done just because
the mother can't care for the child and doesn't feel good about giving it
to strangers. Abortion is done because the mother can not afford the
*pregnancy*.
>[soapbox off]
>>A person has a right to do anything that does not interfere with the rights
>>of another person.
>Cool enough. You'll have more trouble defining the terms in that statement
>than getting people to agree to it. For example, I perceive I have a right
>not to participate in what I feel is murder. I don't think the government
>should, either. On the other hand, since we are having trouble proving that
>it is murder, there is no right to stop someone from doing it if they so
>choose, either by legal means or harassment. Of course, persuasion is
>allowed, but watch that line between persuasive and harassing.
>>The second part is a definition of a person. A simplistic explanation is
>>that a "person" is a member of society. Most normal adult human beings are
>>good examples of "people". Most children over two years old are "people" as
>>well. The simple way of determining this is that you can have a conversation
>>with them. It is actually more complicated than that, but I have no desire
>>to spend the time it would take to explain it to you. Read the thread "Why
>>is bodily autonomy so important?" for more explanation and justification.
>But why is your definition authoritative enough for the whoe US? Surely
>you can understand there are other definitions with equal "right" of
>consideration?
Then please justify why being "human" automatically makes something valuable.
And why that includes the unborn.
>>>>If the government refused
>>>>to fun abortions (due to the qualms of a minority of the population) then
>>>>it would then have to pay *far more* in the delivery of babies whose
>>>>mothers wanted an abortion, but could not afford one, and now that baby
>>>>will also require care for 18 years.
>True. That needs to be fixed. It is part of the problem. If Clinton has a
>medical program to get underway, let him address this, too. It is cheaper
>in the long run to save lives; later they will be productive members of
>society. At least, if his plan works...
No, they are not guaranteed to become productive members of society. Even
if they do that is *MANY YEARS* in the future--until which they are a burden
on someone, or society. There is also the matter of the mother. Forcing
her to carry a pregnancy to term at a critical time in her life could prevent
her from being a productive member of society.
>>Actually, I was refering to the minority that objects to abortion, not
>>those who object to federal funding. I admit I did not say it very
>>clearly, and apologize for that.
>>>>To refuse to fund abortions [...] is to remove that choice from some
>>>>women, *and* add the additional burden to society for no reason.
>No. This is really flawed logic. It would be like me saying "I was born
>with a disfigured face and I want cosmetic repair. It is
>discriminatory that I cannot make that choice, and so you must pay for it."
>That a person has a right to make a choice does not imply legally or
>otherwise that someone else should Foot the Bill [sic] for that choice.
Ok, look. It's like this. We *are* footing the bill. Maybe they will
take choice A. Maybe they will take choice B. Maybe they will take choice
C. They can't afford any *one* of them. If they take choice A we'd have
to pay them, say $5. If they take choice B it would cost us $20. If they
take choice C it will cost us $20 now and a hell of a lot more for the next
18 years. Which one sounds the most realistic for us to be willing to pay
for? Now some people happen not to like choice A. Other people happen
not to like choice C (paying for it, that is). C has been around and paid
for for years. Even though it means we spend a lot of money, we can't in
conscience refuse to pay for it. Now A has been around and is perfectly
legal, but it hasn't been funded in the past. Now A is going to be funded
but some people object. They don't like the idea of their tax money going
to pay for choice A. So we could refuse to fund A at all. Then those
women who can't afford any of those choices will be forced to take choice
B or C, which will cost *all of us* more money. Most of us don't see any
reason at all why *more money* should be spent to the effect of *removing
personal choice* from some women. The alternative is to fund A if that is
what the mother chooses. We will also still fund B and even C if *that*
is what the mother chooses. However, some women will certainly choose A,
and that will then save us $15 we otherwise would have had to spend. Your
"taxes" are not being raised to fund a choice you object, they are being
*lowered* because we will fund a choice that is *legal*, despite your
objections to it. (Actually, your taxes are not really going to go down,
as I'm sure you would point out. But the amount that is saved in that
area can help out in another--like our massive debt.)
>>If you disagree then give us some "reasons". Given that abortion is
>>*LEGAL* and the right to abortion is supported by the majority of the
>>population ...
>>...it is not justifiable to refuse abortions to women who can not afford
>>them, who will simply require even greater funds for the delivery you
>>would force upon them. I refuse to pay *more taxes* to remove choice
>>from those women just because you object to a legal medical procedure.
>WHAT?
>I say objection to the procedure is irrelevant. Uncle Bill doesn't pay for
>breast augmentation, facelifts, etc... Why abortions? It's elective
>surgery!
Those other procedures you mention only cost money. There is no savings
in other procedures that would be required down the road without them.
(In fact, there could be additional costs down the road *because* of them.)
This is quite different from the case of abortion.
>As for your argument, you are enticing a young girl to kill a baby by making
>it affordable and refusing to make the alternative affordable too, SO YOU
>ARE JUST AS GUILTY OF REMOVING A CHOICE BY WITHHOLDING FUNDS! Think about
>it. A poor girl is pregnant and abortions are federally funded, what's she
>gonna do. What choice have YOUR PLANS given her. Your kind of double-
>talk really makes me ill.
This is bullshit. We are *not* refusing "to make the alternative affordable
too". If we refused to pay for the more expensive choice of birth, *then*
your statement would make sense. But that is not the case, so it doesn't.
If Clinton tried to block funding for pre-natal care and delivery (or left
it out of his health-care plan), I would certainly object. I would also be
quite surprised.
>"Pro-choice". Ha! Pro-Abortion really fits in your case.
Yes, but probably not your definition of it, or for the reasons you think.
>If you're gonna fund one choice, you have to fund them all, at the very
>least.
YOU STUPID FUCK! *WE DO* want to fund *all* the choices. *YOU* are the
one who wants to *NOT* fund all the choices.
> IMHO if we fund the adoption choice right, (meaning not just
>throwing money at it but cutting costs, esp. legal costs) we won't need
>abortion anymore.
Your humble opinion is still wrong. Even with easy adoption, there is still
the fact that pregnancy takes several months. Months in which a young woman
could need to be getting an education. (like finishing High School, entering
college, finishing college, getting a job...things that are much harder to
do if you have to "take a break" for a few months...things that have a massive
impact on her future productivity.)
>>have a "right to life". A fetus is not a person. You can not have a
>>conversation with them.
>Ah. Let's kill the mentally incompetant as well. Or how about people we
>just don't like, since we can't have a conversation with them...
You *can* have a conversation with the "mentally incompetant". And even
though *you* personally may refuse to have a conversation with "people
you just don't like", it is still *possible* for others to have a conversation
with them. It is *not* possible for *anyone* to have a conversation with
a fetus.
>>They are not biologically independent.
>Nor was my son at the age of 6 weeks. He was breastfed, and would not take
>a bottle. Just what does "biologically independent" mean? I'll be happy to
>punch any definition full of loopholes.
He was still biologically independent. At least to the same extent you are
now. He consumed nutrients and digested them in the normal manner. He
breathed his own air. A fetus on the other hand, gets it's nutrients already
digested by the mother. It gets its oxygen from the mother as well. That
is not biologically independent.
>>Their
>>awareness is questionable.
>Aha! You admit it is questionable. Yet you are willing to kill it, even if
>it *may* be very aware. I suggest you re-think your viewpoint.
Awareness is only *part* of what makes a "member of society". It is the
minimal conceivable requirement, yet many people seem to think that something
without awareness could still be important enough to justify the suffereing
of a true member of society. I keep asking, but I still haven't seen a real
justification for why the life of a non-sentient creature should be worth the
suffering of a sentient being. (I haven't read every response on the threads
I've been asking on, yet, so we'll see if I see one later.)
>>They have no experiences in the "real world" to make up a personality.
>This is also true of quite a few Unix programmers. So what. :-D
Anyone who can program in UNIX has a lot of experiences in the real world.
-Rob
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Re: Kyle K. on Rodney King
thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>In article <C5nH58.Hp4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:
>>thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>>>In article <C5Lp0y.FDK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:
>>>>How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on
>>>>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that
>>> ^^^^^
>>>>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit?
>>
>>>I'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important.
>>
>>I'm curious why you took a beign statement and cross-posted it to several
>>different news groups, including something along the lines of
>>alt.discrimination.
>Exsqueeze me? I saw *your* original post in alt.discrimination.
>Your post was cross-posted to three groups. My followup was cross-posted
>to two of those three (omitting soc.motss).
>Now, instead of engaging in meta-discussion off the topic, could you answer
>the question posed? If your statement is so "beign"(!?), you should have no
>trouble politely responding to a polite query.
Well, I don't think your query was exactly polite, but I will TRY to
give you a polite responce. Something atypical of the net, but here it goes.
Black is a descriptive adjective that describes Mr. King. From many
of the newspaper, radio, and tv news reports I have seen, this adjective
is commonly in front of his name. I have NEVER seen anyone complain about
the use of this adjective when used in a benign manner. I did not say that
Mr. King was a no good black! I do not know Mr. King and would not make this
ascertian without some evidence to this effect. I used it PURELY as a
descriptive adjective in the same manner than many ( most ) news people have
used it in the past.
The entire second trial was about race, Ted. I don't feel compelled to
discuss Mr. King's racial background, but had Mr. King been white there would
not have been a second trial. You probably are saying that the beating would
not have occurred if he were white, but that is an extremely difficult call
to make. It is possible the case, but not definately.
I still think your actions are crap, Ted. They are far more divisive than
me using the adjective 'black' in a non-derogenory manner. Would you have
been happier if I had used 'African-american' ? If so, then you really are
lost in the world of PC. You have already been instrumental in getting one
persons net access revoked, and I wonder if you have sent a copy of my
message to my sys admin with a plea that I am not worthy of posting.
The way you went about this 'polite' inquiry makes me believe it was
anything but.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Re: Abortion
To: gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis)
From: anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com
GJH>} Do one thing right and do it well.
GJH>Do you consider trying to make abortion illegal an example of this?
No, my goal is to make abortion unnecessary.
Anthony
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Re: was:Go Hezbollah!
(Brad Hernlem writes:
>Well, you should have noted that I was cheering an attack on an Israeli
>patrol INSIDE Lebanese territory while I was condemning the "retaliatory"
>shelling of Lebanese villages by Israeli and Israeli-backed forces. My "team",
>you see, was "playing fair" while the opposing team was rearranging the
>faces of the spectators in my team's viewing stands, so to speak.
>I think that you should try to find more sources of news about what goes on
>in Lebanon and try to see through the propaganda. There are no a priori
>black and white hats but one sure wonders how the IDF can bombard villages in
>retaliation to pin-point attacks on its soldiers in Lebanon and then call the
>Lebanese terrorists.
If the attack was justified or not is at least debatable. But this is not the
issue. The issue is that you were cheering DEATH. Read again your original
article. You find Israeli government responsible for those dead soldiers, that's
a reasonable (debatable) point, but feel satisfaction from dead bodies is
NOT REASONABLE by any standards. No matter how you try to justify it.
I may understand your frustration against israeli occupation in S Lebanon.
But no matter what you say, I can not understand your satisfaction for dead
bodies.
I have a question for you. Let's assume a bosnian village, inhabited by serbs
untill a few (10-20) years ago, and later taken over by bosnian muslims (the means
are not very peaceful). Now, do you enjoy serbs coming and killing all (armed)
bosnian muslims ? I would not enjoy, but I would not enjoy ANY dead bodies -
israelis, lebanese or bosnians.
Dorin
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Re: Update (Help!) [was "What is This [Is it Lyme's?]"]
In article <19613@pitt.UUCP>, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
> In article <1993Apr7.221357.12533@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> brenner@ldgo.columbia.edu (carl brenner) writes:
> >> see the ulterior motive here. It is easy for me to see it the
> >> those physicians who call everything lyme and treat everything.
> >> There is a lot of money involved.
> >
> > You keep bringing this up. But I don't understand what's in it
> >financially for the physician to go ahead and treat. Unless the physician
> >has an investment in (or is involved in some kickback scheme with) the
> >home infusion company, where is the financial gain for the doctor?
>
> Well, let me put it this way, based on my own experience. A
> general practitioner with no training in infectious diseases,
> by establishing links to the "Lyme community", treating patients
> who come to him wondering about lyme or having decided they
> have lyme as if they did, saying that diseases such as MS
> are probably spirochetal, if not Lyme, giving talks at meetings
> of users groups, validating the feelings of even delusional
> patients, etc. This GP can go from being a run-of-the-mill
> $100K/yr GP to someone with lots of patients in the hospital
> and getting expensive infusions that need monitoring in his
> office, and making lots of bread. Also getting the adulation
> of many who believe his is their only hope (if not of cure,
> then of control) and seeing his name in publications put out
> by support groups, etc. This is a definite temptation.
Harumph. Getting published in these newsletters is hardly something
to aspire to. :-)
I can't really argue with your logic, though I think you may be
extrapolating a bit recklessly from what appears to be a sample size of
one. Even if what you say about this local Pittsburgh guy is true, it is
not logical or fair to conclude that this is true of all doctors who
treat Lyme disease.
By your logic, I could conclude that all of the physicians who
consult for insurance companies and make money by denying benefits to
Lyme patients are doing it for the money, rather than because they believe
they are encouraging good medicine. I have no idea how sincere these guys
are, but their motives are as suspect as the physicians you excoriate for
what you believe to be indiscriminate treatment.
I would really feel more comfortable discussing the medical issues
in Lyme, rather than speculating as to the motives of the various parties
involved.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
> geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl Brenner
| 13sci.med |
Re: ThunderScan - got a spare ImageWriter cover?
>Anyone have the replacement cover needed to use ThunderScan
>with an ImageWriter I? Or can I fool the printer into
>working without its own cover by sticking a suitable
>magnet into its cover-sensor?
>Thanks for any help,
>Ralph
The magnet trick will work. Be careful when you apply the white tape to the
rubber carriage roller, it tells the scanner where the edge is and it can come
off.
Jim
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Re: Albert Sabin
anthonyp@riscsm.scripps.edu (Anthony Pelletier) writes:
>This stuff is absolute giberish.
and
>I would post the real information, but in my experience you guys are not
>interested in facts. If you happen to be the exception to that rule and
>really would like to know what is known about the "RNA world" as we call it
>and what we can re-create, I would be happy to provide some information and
>references.
I believe you will find me the exception to the rule. I don't claim
to know everything. I would be very interested in your "real information".
By the way, what was giberish? Was it the four letter alphabet?``
Jack
| 0alt.atheism |
Call for Votes - DTBL MVP and CY. Please vote!
The regular season of the 1992-93 Davis Tabletop Baseball League has
just come to an end. To help us with next year's league, I would
appreciate it if you would take a couple of minutes and vote for
our league MVP and CY winners. These awards, and players' standings
in them, will inflate their salaries for next year's league.
Please vote for 5 in each category, in order. For example...
1. Barry Bonds
2. Frank Thomas
3. Biff Pocoroba
4. Shooty Babitt
5. "Lips" Lundy.
Please do NOT vote for pitchers in MVP voting for this league. Each team
in the league gets one candidate for MVP, and one for CY. Defensive
position is listed where applicable, along with an abbreviation of
their performance there (E=Excellent, V=Very Good, A=Average,
P=Poor, B=Very Poor) Thanks... please reply by April 10.
For the record - the season was 144 games long. Thanks for your help.
MVP Candidates
Name G AB H 2B 3B HR R RBI BB K SB CS IBB BA/OBP/SLG DEF
Griffey 124 338 99 27 0 16 44 64 39 50 0 0 16 293/362/515 8-P
EMartinez 139 562 176 55 3 14 85 87 44 77 14 5 6 313/359/496 5-A
Sandberg 137 559 163 35 6 20 100 102 64 67 4 1 2 292/360/483 4-V
Ventura 144 562 161 32 0 9 83 59 80 61 0 1 3 286/374/391 5-E
McGriff 148 533 150 25 1 33 89 98 102 132 0 3 20 281/398/518 3-P
McGwire 138 487 134 31 1 34 108 104 128 100 0 3 38 275/425/552 3-E
RAlomar 127 515 159 23 8 5 85 34 70 67 54 11 1 309/389/414 4-P
Dykstra 144 582 157 27 1 3 94 60 65 67 89 20 3 270/339/335 8-A
Butler 137 534 158 13 13 1 82 50 83 69 13 19 0 296/386/375 8-B
Deer 119 425 103 26 1 33 66 75 44 141 1 3 2 242/311/541 9-V
Bonds 145 465 143 39 4 33 128 101 187 62 23 5 68 308/502/622 7-E
Hrbek 129 423 112 21 0 12 62 52 80 77 1 0 2 265/380/400 3-P
JGonzalez 135 543 121 17 1 38 59 85 28 146 0 0 2 223/259/468 8-B
Some players missed time due to injuries, others were sat down at the end
to avoid the possibility of injury. There are better players than those
on this list, but each team gets one and only one candidate. Some players
played more than 144 games due to being traded to teams with more games
left in the same time span. Now, on to the pitchers...
Name ERA G W L S IP H BB K HR GS CG ShO WP
DMartinez 3.01 30 15 8 0 209.1 173 76 124 12 30 2 0 2
Dibble 0.80 37 0 2 25 33.2 21 8 46 1 0 0 0 0
Rijo 3.40 26 13 7 0 177.1 175 56 133 12 26 5 1 5
Mussina 2.92 29 15 7 0 206.2 167 46 119 15 29 3 1 2
Benes 3.24 28 14 9 0 194.1 172 53 127 13 28 4 1 1
KHill 2.93 27 16 7 0 196.2 144 64 166 20 26 8 3 1
Smoltz 3.62 28 11 11 0 186.1 177 66 158 9 28 6 1 7
Cone 3.46 28 14 7 0 197.2 152 103 193 10 28 7 1 5
Drabek 2.79 29 13 10 0 206.2 166 55 131 16 29 4 0 2
Tewksbury 3.28 25 12 8 0 172.2 168 36 64 8 25 4 2 1
Clemens 2.94 31 16 11 0 223.1 198 71 178 13 31 17! 2 1
Tomlin 2.48 28 12 5 0 196.0 172 42 97 8 27 1 0 2
Farr 0.81 38 4 1 17 55.1 28 25 38 1 0 0 0 0
There you have it. Curt Schilling threw a perfect game during the year,
and Ken Hill threw a no-hitter. Rob Dibble had pitched 32 scoreless
innings to start the year, only to choke in the last two games to cost
the Perot's Giant Sucking Sounds a playoff spot.
If you want stats of more players, they are available by request. Please
take the time to reply if you can. Thanks.
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Re: Die Koresh Die!
The explanations of Federal law enforcement officials about what
happened in Waco is just another example of the survivors writing the
history books to put themselves in the best of a bad light.
--
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes
to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the
federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds.
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Re: Thanks Apple: Free Ethernet on my C610!
In article <Apr.6.12.05.34.1993.11732@pion.rutgers.edu> Gregory Nelson,
gnelson@pion.rutgers.edu writes:
> Oh, and the screen seems tojump in a wierd way on power-up.
>I've seen this mentioned by others, so it must be a...feature...
> Anyway, above all, it's fast. A great machine at a great price!
Well, I saw a few posts on this and asumed that everyone is talking about
the new 14" display... mine does it to... kinda like when I would degauss
my old 13", and since the new one lacks this button, I assume that is
what it is doing... anyone that knows I'd appreciate the info, but it
doesn't worry me...
-t
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Re: Can Microwaves Be Used To Collect XYZ Coordinates
In article <C5Hs5J.AG7@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes:
|> It seems reasonable to me that a microwave transmitter-receiver setup could
|> do the job. For example, say you want to map an acre lot, it'd be convenient
|> to place MW transmitters around the lot's periphery (either 2 or 3) and then
|> carry a hand-held recorder and walk to a point on the lot, press a button and
|> the coords of the recorder's location is stored as digital data.
|>
|> What's the chance of this working? Any systems like this already exist?
|> What kind of accuracy could you expect? What would something like this
|> cost to prototype? Is there a better alternative than microwaves?
Of course you could develope this system, but there is already a system called Global
Positioning Satellites. It gives three dimensional coordinates anywhere on earth.
Many surveyors use this system with a differential receiver/transmitter to get
coordinates within centimeters. Basic receivers with resolution of a few meters (on
a good day) are available from many sources.
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| 12sci.electronics |
Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.
Dave Martindale (dave@imax.imax.com) wrote:
: They require two separate grounds. One ground goes to the ground pin
: of the outlet, and the other ground wire is connected to the outlet's
: mounting tabs (and thus grounds the box and faceplate screw and metal
: faceplate, if any).
I thought the ground WAS connected to the metal frame on the socket.
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| 12sci.electronics |
Re: Would "clipper" make a good cover for other encryption method?
In article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>Clipper might be a good way to cover the use of another layer of
>encryption.
Could somebody provide an overview of the proposed systems using the
chip? (Ought to see if ATT has a spec sheet) Skipjack sounds like a
normal digital encryption algorithm, so the data path will have to be
voice --> digitize --> compress --> encrypt
Compression will be necessary to fit the data on the wire, unless
they want to wait for ISDN (that we should be so lucky...). Feeding
pre-encrypted data into the compressor will cause it to chuckle at
you; you'd have to tap into the guts of the phone and hack either
the compressed data stream, or selected parts of the output stream
before it hits the modem. Unless you want to pay for two fast
modems on top of the encryption, and just plug the box in between
your phone and the wall.
>- Carl
PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail
Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
| 11sci.crypt |
Pseudocollisions in MD5
Following is a short note commenting on den Boer and Bosselaers'
recent work on the MD5 message-digest algorithm. Feel free to email
questions or further comments.
-- Burt Kaliski
RSA Laboratories
----------------------------------------------------------------------
\documentstyle[12pt]{article}
\begin{document}
\title{On ``Pseudocollisions'' in the MD5 Message-Digest Algorithm}
\author{Burton S. Kaliski Jr. \\
{\tt burt@rsa.com} \and
Matthew J.B. Robshaw \\
{\tt matt@rsa.com} \and
RSA Laboratories \\
100 Marine Parkway \\
Redwood City, CA 94065}
\date{April 23, 1993}
\maketitle
A message-digest algorithm maps a message of arbitrary length to a
``digest'' of fixed length, and has three properties: Computing the
digest is easy, finding a message with a given
digest---``inversion''---is hard, and finding two messages with the
same digest---``collision''---is also hard. Message-digest algorithms
have many applications, including digital signatures and message
authentication.
RSA Data Security's MD5 message-digest algorithm, developed by Ron
Rivest \cite{rfc-md5}, maps a message to a 128-bit message digest.
Computing the digest of a one-megabyte message takes as little as a
second. While no message-digest algorithm can yet be {\em proved}
secure, MD5 is believed to be at least as good as any other that maps
to a 128-bit digest. Inversion should take about $2^{128}$
operations, and collision should take about $2^{64}$ operations. No
one has found a faster approach to inversion or collision.
Recent work by den Boer and Bosselaers \cite{den-boer-md5} presents
a special kind of ``pseudocollision'' in MD5's
internal compression function, which maps
a 512-bit message block $x$ and a
128-bit input state $s$ to a 128-bit output
state. They show how to find a message block $x$
and two related input states $s_1$ and $s_2$ that yield the same
output state: $f(x,s_1)$ = $f(x,s_2)$. Their well-thought approach
exploits structural properties of the collision function to find
a pseudocollision in about $2^{16}$ operations, much less than one
would expect.
Practical implications of this pseudocollision work to the security of
MD5 are not evident. While a real collision in MD5 implies a
pseudocollision (or a ``pseudo-inversion''), a
pseudocollision need not imply a real collision. Indeed, a real
collision, since it involves two different messages, would almost
always involve {\em different} message blocks $x_1$ and $x_2$ such that
$f(x_1,s_1) = f(x_2,s_2)$, but the pseudocollisions have the same
message blocks. Moreover, the input states $s_1$ and $s_2$ would
generally be unrelated, but the pseudocollisions' input states are
the same except for four bits. There does not seem to be any way to
extend den Boer and Bosselaers' approach to anything beyond the
special pseudocollisions, a limitation they readily admit.
It is reasonable, therefore, to believe that MD5 remains secure. While den
Boer and Bosselaers have found interesting structural properties in
MD5, the properties seem only to lead to special pseudocollisions
and not anything approaching real collisions. Further research, of
course, will give a better understanding of the strengths of MD5 and
other message-digest algorithms, with the eventual hope that
such algorithms can, in some sense, be proved secure.
\bibliographystyle{plain}
\begin{thebibliography}{1}
\bibitem{den-boer-md5}
Bert den~Boer and Antoon Bosselaers.
\newblock Collisions for the compression function of {MD5}.
\newblock In {\it Advances in Cryptology --- Eurocrypt '93}, 1993.
\newblock Preprint.
\bibitem{rfc-md5}
R.L. Rivest.
\newblock {\it {RFC} 1321: The {MD5 Message-Digest Algorithm}}.
\newblock Internet Activities Board, April 1992.
\end{thebibliography}
\end{document}
| 11sci.crypt |
HELP-purification of neutrophils from mice.
Hello!
I need a technique for separation of polymorphonuclear neutrophils (PMN)
from the peripheral blood of mice. Because of the low PMN:Lymphocyte ratio
(approx. 20:80) it«s not just as easy as the corresponding technique used
with human blood.
Yours,
Per-Arne Melander
Ps. My E-mail address is: per-arne.melander@histocel.umu.se. DS.
| 13sci.med |
Re: Deir Yassin
In article <1993Apr24.023039.1485@cs.rit.edu> bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) writes:
>In article <1r94f9$ge3@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.VXF@forsythe.stanford.edu (Vic Filler) writes:
>>You have a lot to learn when it comes to historical methodology.
>
>That's true. I try to learn from people who know more than me,
>not from useless farts.
And anyone who doesn't agree with you is, by your own definitions, a
"useless fart". Just like any text that disputes your own "findings"
is always described as "flawed" or "biased". In other words, you
trumpet the things you like and dismiss those that might embarass you.
We've seen you play these games here for a long time.
One thing is for sure: When it comes to "useless farts", you sure know
what you're talking about.
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Re: Joe Robbie Stadium "NOT FOR BASEBALL"
In article <1993Apr6.025027.4846@oswego.Oswego.EDU> iacs3650@Oswego.EDU
(Kevin Mundstock) writes:
> Did anyone notice the words "NOT FOR BASEBALL" printed on the picture
> of Joe Robbie Stadium in the Opening Day season preview section in USA
> Today? Any reason given for this?
Yes, and the answer is simple. To create a better feeling in the park, the
seats will be folded back for baseball games where you saw those words.
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
MacPlus Home brew Acceler question??
ha... all this talk about changing the clock speed of the q700 makes me ask??
if i replaced the 8mhz 68000 in my plus with a 16mhz 68000 with a 16mhz
clock occilater of its own( not shared by the rest of the mac... just the new
16mhz68000) would my mac work..... and if it would work.. would you think there
where be any problems with sound, vidio,scsi........
it seems like a simple solution to keepa dead slow mechine a
live a little longer..
Oh if this would not work any idears on how to make it work???
thanks
alex
ARP0150@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead--
>In article <1993Apr14.140642.19875@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes:
>anybody is going anywhere. So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own
>good , but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it.
Ah, we are looking for good people just like you. We are a very concerned
group of citizens who are absolutely disgusted at the way that the majority
of drivers simply disobey traffic rules like going above the speed limit,
passing on our right, and riding our tails, while all the while we respectfully
abide by the rules of this great country and maintain the mandated speed
limits with our calibrated, certified cruise controls, while keeping the
respectful 1.5 car length distance/10 mph speed. How many times have you been
ticked off by some moron who jumps ahead in the (5.5 * 1.5)8.25 car lengths
that you have left between you and the vehicle ahead of you while driving
55 mph? Finally you have an option. We are a totally member supported group
that perform functions for our own good, for the good of this great country but MOST of all for those unfortunate ones that are too stupid to realize it,
bless their souls. For a paltry $10, you can join Citizens for Rationally
Advanced Piloting(C.R.A.P), a non-profit, members only, society. But, but,but,
there is a slight hitch, the initiation rite. To be a full fledged member of
this exclusive club, you must proof that you are able to be in the fast lane of
the busiest interstate in your area, keep the correct 1.5 car lenth/10 mph speedand I know this can be difficult with those morons around, NOT let anybody pass
you, not in the next lane, not in the slow lane, not in the breakdown lane,
not NOWHERE. For a complete list of acceptable interstates and times, send $5.
And by the way, over 90% of our members are highly regarded attorneys in the
auto field and they are completely, absolutely positively in the business ONLY
to serve your best interests. As a testament to their virtues, they will give
members 90% off the initial consultation fee. Feel free to drop me a line at
your earliest convenience and remember, only SPEED kills!
Jit
| 7rec.autos |
Re: Adding hard drive to Original IBM PC
In article <C5DxBs.5ov@panix.com> schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster) writes:
>In article <lsj4ruINNl7o@saltillo.cs.utexas.edu> goolsbey@cs.utexas.edu (Keith Goolsbey) writes:
>>I have an ORIGINAL IBM PC (not an XT or AT) that
>>has never had a hard drive. Questions:
>>
>>[1] Do I need new BIOS to add a hard drive?
>>[2] Does anyone sell a complete package to do this?
>>
>>Please e-mail me with suggestions. I only need to
>>add about a 20Meg or 40Meg hard drive.
>
>Sent by mail too.
>You need the 10/82 BIOS which has support for ROM BIOS extensions, such
>as the ROM on a hard disk controller.
>
>A 20 MB hard card, available for not much over $100, will do the trick
>if you have the proper BIOS date. Use Norton SI or similar program to
>find out.
you also need to set the correct switch settings on your xt
controller, which can be a pain, since most pc's don't come with
proper docs for all hardware contained inside it.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Five Russian soldiers sentenced to death in Azerbaijan
May 13, 1993 _Five Russian soldiers sentenced to death in Azerbaijan_
MOSCOW (UPI) -- Five soldiers who served in Russia's 7th army stationed in
Armenia were sentenced to death in the Azerbaijani capital Baku Thursday for
allegedly "carrying out diversions and killing 30 Azeri soldiers."
A statement released by the news service of Azeri President Abulfaz Elchibey
said "the sentence was final and was not subject to protest or appeal," the
Russian state news agency Itar-tass reported.
But the Russian Foreign Ministry issued an appeal for the men to be handed
over to the authorities in Moscow for punishment.
"This would accord with modern standards of humanity towards those who have
committed crimes," the statement reads.
The five men, together with another soldier who received a 15-year prison
sentence, were captured in September 1992 by Azeri police in the Kelbadzhar
district of Azerbaijan, between Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia.
The Supreme Court in Baku said the men had gone through special training in a
company of the Russian 7th army in the Armenian capital Yerevan, after which
they were sent across the Armenian-Azeri border into Nagorno-Karabakh to
carry out diversions against Azeri troops.
However, the Russian Foreign Ministry statement claimed they had deserted the
Russian army and were fighting as mercenaries with Armenian armed forces in
the battle zone round Karabakh.
Nagorno-Karabakh is an Armenian-populated enclave within Azerbaijan which for
five years has been fighting for independence from Baku in a war that has
left many thousands dead and uprooted hundreds of thousands from their homes.
Both Yerevan and Baku have always claimed that Russian servicemen stationed
in these Caucasian republics, who were left behind after the break-up of the
Soviet Union, are fighting as mercenaries in the Karabakh war.
The statement from Moscow said the Russian side repeatedly appealed to the
Azerbaijani government to show humanity and leniency in their treatment of the
six men, and to hand them over to the Russian authorities.
It said that President Boris Yeltsin himself sent a letter with this request
to his Azeri counterpart Elchibey. Itar-tass said that the soldiers' defense
attorneys had lodged an appeal for clemency.
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "Armenia has not learned a lesson in
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the
P.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it." 4/14/93
Cambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Re: CPU Temperature vs CPU Activity ?
Lino Montuno (montuno@physics.su.OZ.AU) wrote:
>This may be a very naive question but is there any basis for the
>claim that a CPU will get hotter when a computationally intensive
>job is running? My friend claims that there will be little difference
>in the temperature of an idle CPU and a CPU running a computationally
>intensive job.
>Lino Montuno
I totally agree with your friend, since when the CPU is apparently idle
it is still in fact churning away millions of instructions per second
(checking for keyboard input for instance).
The exception to this is for CPU's used in laptops, where the CPU can
enter an idle state where it is just preserving its current status but
doing absolutely nothing. In this case it needs a hardware interrupt
to get it going again.
--
_____________________________________________________________________
Victor Buttigieg e-mail: victor@uk.ac.man.ee.comms
Communications Research Group
University of Manchester
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| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Re: RE: re: Challenge to Microsoft supporters.
In article <C716uq.II3@feenix.metronet.com> jack@feenix.metronet.com (Jack Hudler) writes:
>In article <twalls.02vo@ncc1701d.demon.co.uk> twalls@ncc1701d.demon.co.uk (Tim Walls) writes:
>>
>>But I don't want to have to run blasted Windows every time I want to delete
>>a tree - it is absolutely ludicrous to load a hog like that just to delete
>>some files! It would be like requiring a crane to change the tyre on a car.
>
>Then why don't you download som of the public domain utilitys the do exactly
>what you want an shut up.
Why should he have to? This sort of thing should be included. How about
the millions of people who don't have access to pd libraries over networks?
Just because people can work around it, doesn't mean that something shouldn't
be done to remedy the situation.
Mark
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Toshiba 3401 E and P CD-ROM
I notice the Toshiba 3401 has 3 versions, B - internal, E - external and P -
portable. Can anyone tell me the difference between the portable and the
external version? Where in the SF Bay Area can I find a model P?
Thanks, --Bill
--
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
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4100 Bohannon Dr. (415) 926-6488 - wk
Menlo Park, CA. 94025 uunet!infmx!billd or billd@informix.com
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Re: Quadra 900/950
In <1993Apr21.165907.189558@edgeway.wimsey.bc.ca> armani@edgeway.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
> Besides the faster processor, the 950 has SCSI 2, and as far as I know, faster
> I/O due to separate processors handling those functions. The 950 can output 16
> bit video to a 16" monitor with 1 meg of VRAM and 24 bit with 2 meg.
Actually, the Quadra 900 and 950 both have the same SCSI controller, (running at different speed). They are not SCSI 2, but can support
certain SCSI commands that take advantage of faster drives. The
I/O processors are present on both machines. The Q950 runs its
I/O bus at 25MHz, while the 900's I/O bus is 16MHz.
The Quadra 950 supports 16bit color on all monitor sizes, as well
as 24bit up to 832 x 624 resolution. It also supports 1024 x768
resolution. The 900 supports supports 8bit at 1152 x 870, and
does not support 1024 x 768 at all.
VRAM on the 950 is 80ns or faster, and 100ns or faster on the 900.
-John Rutirasiri
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Eric Bosco where are you?
Eric, send me your email address, I lost it! I've reconsidered!
Kevin
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Re: Last of the V-8 Interceptors (Mad Max)
Tony, I believe, first of all, that Max's car is an Austrailian
built car. I don't think its a chopped up U.S. unit. It may be called a
Kangaroo or Roo or something similar-not sure. But, I do recall reading
that Austrailian cars used Ford V-8 engines. The Ford V-8 Interceptor
is, I think, a 428 c.i. cop car motor. Whatever the case that small car
with a screaming big block Ford 428 would probably smoke the tires for
miles/kilometers. I hope someone out there can elaborate on the subject.
Smoke 'em hard, smoke 'em fast. Later,
David Hertrich.
'68 Lincoln Continental 460c.i.
| 7rec.autos |
Re: Nords 3 - Habs 2 in O.T. We was robbed!!
In article <1993Apr20.163027.28425@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> yaska@eecg.toronto.edu (Yaska Sankar) writes:
>>>Paul Stewart is the worst and most biased ref. presently in the NHL.
>>>WE WAS ROBBED!!!!
>>No. Patrick Roy is the reason the game was lost, and Ron Hextall is the
>>reason Quebec won.
>I don't buy this at all. Roy was the reason the game was tied... and that
>would *not* have been the case had Dionne kept his cool.
>Roy stood on his
>head for the first 15 minutes of the game when the Nords were rushing from
>end-to-end. Kamensky's mini-break after the tying goal and the first shot by
>Young in OT were both excellent chances stopped by Roy. Roy outplayed
>Hextall for most of the game, but Roy becomes the villain and Hextall
>the hero because Roy's team didn't make full use of their opportunities.
Whoa. What you are effectively doing is implying that if a player plays
really well, he 'stores up' mistakes that can be used at a later time. Ths
is not so. Roy is the 'villain', as you so succinctly put it, because he
allowed a very cheap goal. If you think Roy outplayed Hextall, perhaps you
should get a tape of the game and watch the first 7-8 minutes of the third
period. NHL goaltenders _make_ some great saves. If they did not, they
would not be in the NHL in the first place. I do not expect any particular
goalie to be able to make the great saves all of the time, even though they
are occasionally required. However, when it comes to a routine shot like
Sakic's, especially at such a crucial time in a game, I don't think there
are any legitimate excuses.
>Hextall, on the other hand, had a lot of lucky bounces
>[description of lucky bounces.....]
>Hextall wasn't particularly brilliant on those plays ...
I am not arguing that Hextall was brilliant. I am arguing is that a
relatively weak wrist shot from the outside of the circle shold not result
in a goal.
> ... but it was just the 1 goal. The timing stank, but against
>an explosive team like Quebec, they gave them 1 opportunity too many with
>a powerplay that was totally unnecessary.
In a one-goal game with less than a minute to go there is no such thing as
'just the 1 goal'. I have not defended Dionne for taking the penalty
either...in fact I think it was a boneheaded move. But it led to _one_ goal
only, and Montreal had a _two_ goal lead. My main concern is the second
goal.
>This most certainly was a team loss... Leclair missed his opportunities,
>as did Bellows and Brunet. Dionne took a bad penalty. Damphousse and Lebeau
>were *silent*. Carbonneau and Savard were a step behind all night. Roy gave
>up the bad goal. Roy, by no means, can be singled out for this loss.
What you say about the skaters is absolutely true. But realize that the
game was effectively *won*. You could watch any hockey game (in fact, you
could watch any sporting event period) and spend hours discussing the 'what
if's' w.r.t. missed opportunities. They are not important when the final
result is decided. If I get the time soon, I'll watch the game again and
email you a list of lucky Montreal bounces and a list of Quebec offensive
screwups. Montreal was _leading_ with a minute to go. The goalie
is the last line of defence, and I will grant that extra attention is
focussed on him, sometimes without justification. But Roy gave up a *lousy*
goal, and a team cannot afford such a goal.
>>Roy looked like a player in an industrial league on Sakic's shot.
>And Hextall didn't on Dionne's goal? Please.
WHO CARES? Of what value is it to justify one lousy play with a totally
unrelated lousy play? I could do a Hextall critique if you'd like. But if
you're going to assess his performance, keep in mind that he made the key
saves at the key times.
>Roy is paid big money because
>that is his value compared to other goalies ... and he still is in the top 5
For the record, I did not say that Roy was not one of the top goaltenders in
the league. In fact, I agree that he is.
>The Montreal media is the quickest to heap praise and then hurl derogatory
>comments against the Habs. They are no better than uninformed fans.
I assume you are referring to me. However, I have pointed out that I think
the loss can be blamed on Roy. I have not said he sucks, nor do I think I've
made any other 'derogatory comments'. If you regard objective
(and informed, FYI) observations as derogatory, I really can't help you.
--
dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5
I have been following this thread on talk.religion,
soc.religion.christian.bible-study and here with interest. I am amazed at
the different non-biblical argument those who oppose the Sabbath present.
One question comes to mind, especially since my last one was not answered
from Scripture. Maybe clh may wish to provide the first response.
There is a lot of talk about the Sabbath of the TC being ceremonial.
Answer this:
Since the TC commandments is one law with ten parts on what biblical
basis have you decided that only the Sabbath portion is ceremonial?
OR You say that the seventh-day is the Sabbath but not applicable to
Gentile Christians. Does that mean the Sabbath commandment has been
annulled? References please.
If God did not intend His requirements on the Jews to be applicable to
Gentile Christians why did He make it plain that the Gentiles were now
grafted into the commonwealth of Israel?
Darius
[Acts 15, Rom 14:5, Col 2:16, Gal 4:10. I believe we've gotten into
a loop at this point. This is one of those classic situations where
both sides think they have clear Scriptural support, and there's no
obvious argument that is going to change anybody's mind. I don't think
we're going anything but repeating ourselves. --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
WYSIWYG word processor for DOS!!!!!!
Hey!!! I've just upgraded my laptop to a Windows-capable one, so I
don't need my DOS word processor anymore. It's a great word
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best of all, it has a WYSIWYG EDITING mode. This is something
Word Perfect doesn't have!! And all I'm asking is $65 + shipping.
It even comes with several hundred dollars of free utilities!!!
$65 for a full-featured WYSIWYG word processor!!! Perfect for
a laptop, or a lower powered machine!
Check this out:
CA> It has:
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| 6misc.forsale |
Re: The arrogance of Christians
In article <Apr.22.00.56.15.1993.2073@geneva.rutgers.edu> hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes) writes:
>A similar analogy might be a medical doctor who believes that a blood
>transfusion is necessary to save the life of a child whose parents are
>Jehovah's Witnesses and so have conscientious objections to blood
>transfusion. The doctor's efforts to persuade them to agree to a blood
>transfusion could be perceived to be arrogant in precisely the same way as
>Christians could be perceived to be arrogant.
>The truth or otherwise of the belief that a blood transfusion is necessary
>to save the life of the child is irrelevant here. What matters is that the
>doctor BELIEVES it to be true, and could be seen to be trying to foce his
>beliefs on the parents, and this could well be perceived as arrogance.
Let me carry that a step further. Most doctors would not claim to be
infallible. Indeed, they would generally admit that they could conceivably
be wrong, e.g. that in this case, a blood tranfusion might not turn out to
be necessary after all. However, the doctors would have enough confidence
and conviction to claim, out of genuine concern, that is IS necessary. As
fallible human beings, they must acknowledge the possibility that they are
wrong. However, they would also say that such doubts are not reasonable,
and stand by their convictions.
--
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics
CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee
"Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!" | My boss is a
"Not very well. He doesn't look like one at all!" | Jewish carpenter.
| 15soc.religion.christian |
For Sale: TR-606 and Mirage Rack Mount Sampler
For Sale:
Roland TR-606 Drum Machine
Near Mint Condition (no scratches, fully operational).
Sorry no Manuals.
Asking $200 US + shipping
Mirage Rack Mount Sampler
Minor Scratches around rack ear screws
with Advanced Sampling Option, 32 Disks
and both manuals
It's a long story, but I *may* have the Turtle Beach Vision, sample
editing software for the IBM PC.
Asking $400 US + shipping
Send all e-mail requests to: barsz@bnr.ca
Regards,
--
Peter A. Barszczewski ( *
(barsz@bnr.ca) ) ~|~ spirituality through technology.
Bell-Northern Research, Ltd. ( |
Montreal, Canada )
| 6misc.forsale |
Basil, opinions? (Re: Water on the brain)
In article <1993Apr15.204930.9517@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes:
|>
|> In article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
|> |> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel
|> |> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination.
|> |> --
|> |> Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org
|> Mr. water-head,
|> i never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that
|> israel went into southern lebanon to make sure that no
|> water is being used on the lebanese
|> side, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there
|> israel will use it !#$%^%&&*-head.
Of course posting some hard evidence or facts is much more
difficult. You have not bothered to substantiate this in
any way. Basil, do you know of any evidence that would support
this?
I can just imagine a news report from ancient times, if Hasan
had been writing it.
Newsflash:
Cairo AP (Ancient Press). Israel today denied Egypt acces to the Red
Sea. In a typical display of Israelite agressiveness, the leader of
the Israelite slave revolt, former prince Moses, parted the Red Sea.
The action is estimated to have caused irreparable damage to the environment.
Egyptian authorities have said that thousands of fisherman have been
denied their livelihood by the parted waters. Pharaoh's brave charioteers
were successful in their glorious attempt to cause the waters of the
Red Sea to return to their normal state. Unfortunately they suffered
heavy casualties while doing so.
|> Hasan
--
Shai Guday | Stealth bombers,
OS Software Engineer |
Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies.
Cambridge, MA |
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
SIGMA Designs Video/Sound card
Does anyone out there use a SIGMA designs VIDEO/SOUND card ?
The model is called WIN-STORM-PC .
They also have one model the Legend-24lx
Any info on these like performance and compatibility,
or even problems encountered will be appreciated.
thanks
srini.w.seetharam
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Re: REQUEST: Gyro (souvlaki) sauce
In article <1r8pcn$rm1@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Donald_Mackie@med.umich.edu (Donald Mackie) writes:
:In article <1993Apr22.205341.172965@locus.com> Michael Trofimoff,
:tron@fafnir.la.locus.com writes:
:>Would anyone out there in 'net-land' happen to have an
:>authentic, sure-fire way of making this great sauce that
:>is used to adorn Gyro's and Souvlaki?
:
:I'm not sure of the exact recipe, but I'm sure acidophilus is one of
:the major ingredients. :-)
:
The only recipies I've ever seen for this include plain yogurt, finely
chopped cucumber and a couple of crushed cloves of garlic -- yummy.
--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
= Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh =
= General Internal Medicine | "...dammit, not a programmer!" =
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| 13sci.med |
Re: (Q) CONNER HD specs
In <199304181719.AA08489@sune.stacken.kth.se> hhaldre@stacken.kth.se (Heikki Haldre) writes:
>Can anybody send CONNER CP-321 harddisk specifications?
>It has 612 Cyl, and 4 HD, but I am more intrested in its time-out values,
>precomp, etc.
>Heikki Haldre Internet: hhaldre@sune.stacken.kth.se
conner peripherals has a 1-800 number with a touch-tone /voice response
data bank giving all the info.
if you call 1-800 directory assisatnce (1-800-555-1212) and ask for the
phone number of "conner peripherals," you should get what you need.
dannyb@panix.com
all the usual disclaimers apply, whatever they may be.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
sore spot on testicles
My husband woke up three days ago with a small sore spot
(a spot about the size of a nickel) on one of his testicles. Bottom side,
no knots or lumps, just a little sore spot. He says it reminds him of
how a bruise feels. He has no recollection of hitting it or anything like
that that would cause a bruise. (He asssures me he'd remember something
like that :-)
Any clues as to what it might be? He's somewhat of a hypochondriac (sp?)
so he's sure he's gonna die. . .
Thanks!!
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Re: Challenge to Microsoft supporters.
In article <14957@news.duke.edu>, kdb@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Kurt Bollacker) writes:
|> None of this changes the fact that MSW3.1 is objectively inferior to its
|> competition.
Do you mean that MSW3.1 is objectively inferior in _some_ respects (which
is trivially true), that it is objectively inferior in _all_ respecets
(which is trivially false) or do you mean something else? What criteria
have you chosen for your objective assesment? Are you sure that these
criteria are themselves objective?
|> I have begun to learn in life that the masses never choose the best option
|> available to them-- they choose the one which they have been conditioned to
|> think is best. I'm glad I'm not one of them.
[ no comment ]
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Re: Questions about Windows NT. Help!
In article <C562Cq.FC7@ms.uky.edu> shan@ms.uky.edu (Minghua SHAN) writes:
>
>I don't know much about Windows NT, but I've always thought
>that Win NT would run only on Intel 386/486 compatable systems.
>We are setting up a network which includes a SUN Sparc Server 4/490
>and about a dozen PC's. Some people suggest that we run Windows NT
>on the SUN Sparc Server 4/490 replacing the current OS (SunOS).
>I don't know whether this is possible and whether this would do us any
>good. I would appreciate any help on answering a few questions below.
>
>1. Does Windows NT run on Sun Sparc Server 490?
>2. If the answer to question 1 is yes, does it run unix applications
> (such as SAS for unix).
>3. Is Windows NT a multiuser OS?
>4. When will Windows NT be released?
>5. Is there any telephone number that I can call and get more
> info on Win NT?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Minghua Shan
As far as I have read WIN NT will be supported on Intel, DEC ALPHA and the MIPS R4000
series of processors only. I do remember though reading a rumour about Sparc support
sometime in the future. I am not sure what you mean by running "unix applications".
You would have to have SAS for WIN NT (or maybe SAS for WIN16 etc). I have read
that MS will anounce avalaibility of WIN NT by end of May 93 (Comdex Spring). Hope
this helps.
Rajiev Gupta
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Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting
In article <1qk3jm$9sh@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.221646.2332@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
[ ... ]
>> Why are 'good' neighborhoods 'good' ? It isn't because every
>> person is armed to the teeth. It is because of (1) attitude
>> and (2) cooperation. In the 'good' neighborhoods, the residents
>> make themselves aware of their neighbors and notice when
>> strangers are lurking around. 'Good' neighborhoods form groups
>> like 'crime-watch' to increase this effect, and the relative
>> effectiveness of the police. When hostiles are arrested, the
>> good neighbors step up and say "THAT'S the one officer ! He
>> was robbing Mr. Jones' house".
>
>Sometimes this works. Sometimes it just lands your good neighbors
>on the dance card for the next wave of drive-bys. Someone here once
>told a story about LA gangs moving into Phoenix. I've misplaced the
Here'a a copy, cdt:
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>Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns,ou.politics
>Path: dg-rtp!psinntp!uunet!sun-barr!ames!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!mvp
>From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)
>Subject: The difference an armed civilian population makes
>Message-ID: <y52n_tc.mvp@netcom.com>
>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 23:42:42 GMT
>Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
>References: <swood.716099748@vela>
>Lines: 84
>
>Along the lines of "The Armed Citizen", here's a story that
>some of you may find amusing. It's a story about Arizona
>house-hunting, from Leslie Fish, musician and author...
>
>----
> ... One of the reasons I'm planning to move to Arizona is that --
>despite its lousy economy, 4-way race problems, simmering religious
>problems and hopelessly bad government -- Arizona has one of the lowest
>violent- crime rates in the country. Is it just coincidence that
>Arizona is also one of the few remaining no-gun- control states in the
>country?
>
> Well, consider this funny story. Last time I was in Phoenix,
>staying with Liz Burnham, I did some checking on the local real-estate
>market (that's when I discovered that, with my income -- as provable by
>my tax returns -- I can qualify for every low-income housing loan in
>the book, with the exception of VA), and I came across an astonishing
>ad in the local market-paper. It offered a three-bedroom house in the
>Phoenix area for -- are you ready for this -- all of $10,000. No money
>down. $100 per month total payments. Christ on a Harley-Davidson! I
>called up the real-estate office making this offer, made it clear that
>I was only checking the local market, and asked about that house. Were
>the walls, roof and foundation structurally sound? Yes. Were the
>plumbing and electrical systems functional and up to code? Yes. Did the
>air-conditioning system (an absolute necessity in Phoenix) work? Yes,
>again. Okay, so what was wrong with the house? Well, it needed lots
>of plastering, painting, yard work, and some patching of the roof --
>and yes, low-interest repair loans were available. Okay, sez I. If
>that's all that's wrong with it, just why are you selling a 3-bedroom
>house for all of $10,000? Well, squirms the agent, it's in kind of a
>bad neighborhood. How bad? sez I, remembering some of the neighborhoods
>I've seen in Chicago and Oakland. Worst in the city, the agent sighs,
>and then he told me this amazing story.
>
> Every few years, it seems, the big vice-gangs in Los Angeles notice
>that there's no gang presence in Phoenix -- which is just a quick
>5-hour drive from LA -- and get the idea of setting up a subsidiary
>there. Well, a couple years ago, the colonizing force came to this
>neighborhood -- it being poor and Spanish, they figured they could move
>right in and take over -- bought this house and started operations.
>Unfortunately for them, the neighbors not only didn't like this -- they
>didn't care for whores trotting up and down their streets all night,
>pimps soliciting their kids, dope- deals on the corners in broad
>daylight, and so on -- they weren't afraid to do something about it.
>The neighbors called the cops (for some reason, the Phoenix police are
>remarkably honest, capable, polite and prompt), and the cops promptly
>came and swept up all the whores, pimps and pushers off the street and
>away to jail. The remaining gang members decided to retaliate in the
>fashion they usually use in LA; they got the complainant's name and
>address off the court records, and did a drive-by shooting at his
>house. Well, this wasn't Los Angeles. The moment the neighbors heard
>the first gunshots fired, they all ran out their front doors with their
>own guns -- rifles, shotguns, pistols, everything -- and shot back.
>
> The car didn't make it to the end of the block. It coasted to a
>stop, riddled with more holes than the famous Bonnie and Clyde getaway
>car (which I've seen; it's on display in a casino in a casino in Las
>Vegas). The gas tank and fuel lines had been ruptured, so the car
>caught fire. The neighbors waited a good 15 minutes -- making sure
>nobody got out of that car -- before they called the fire department to
>come put out the fire and tow the wreck away. By that time, the asphalt
>under the car had melted and caught fire too, which subsequently left a
>large and nasty pot-hole in the street. The city is slow about
>repairing small streets, so the hole stayed there providing a traffic
>hazard for several months. All this was two years ago, the agent
>concluded, and there's been no trouble since, but the house and the
>neighborhood still have a bad reputation -- and that's why the house
>was so cheap.
>
> Hearing this story, I nearly laughed my ass off. I told the agent
>that if I had the money at the moment, I'd by-god buy the house; this
>was _nothing_ compared to bad neighborhoods I'd seen here in
>California, where drive-by shootings go unchecked by the well-armed
>cops, let alone by the unarmed neighbors. If that's the absolute worst
>you'll find in Phoenix, then that's the city for me.
>
> That's the difference that an armed civilian population makes.
>Think about it.
>
>
>--
>Mike Van Pelt When guns are outlawed,
>mvp@netcom.com only Carl Rowan will have guns.
>mvp@hsv3.lsil.com
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Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other
While on my bike I wave to anyone who looks. Sort of like the "small town"
or "wide open spaces" type thing that someone from Louisiana mentioned. (Like
when I'm in Arkansas or Helena MT.) Kids are especially fun - both genders
(Watch it Cliff!! :-) )
In the cage I usually wave to bikers. They usually don't wave back. My wife
thinks it's strange but I don't care.
Jim Bessette
james.bessette@att.com
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Re: Grey Scale while in windows?
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Re: Pascal-Fractals
Apparently, my editor didn't do what I wanted it to do, so I'll try again.
i'm looking for any programs or code to do simple animation and/or
drawing using fractals in TurboPascal for an IBM
Thanks in advance
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| 1comp.graphics |
Selling Riding Lawn Mower
1987 ARIENS RIDING LAWN MOWER
This mower is in perfect condition and
contains the following features:
- Electric Start
- 26 inch cut
- Double Rear Baggers
- New Battery
- New Engine (one year old)
- Inflatable Tires (gives nice ride)
- Cushioned Seat (gives nice ride)
I am moving into a house that has a
small area of grass to cut and does not
require such large mower. The engine was
replaced, not rebuilt, last year due to
some faulty work done by a lawn mower
repair shop.
PRICE: $600.00
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| 6misc.forsale |
Re: Manual Shift Bigots
jahonen@cc.lut.fi (Jarmo Ahonen) writes:
>kissane@black.Berkeley.EDU (John G. Kissane) writes:
>>As a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the US
>>while here in Europe they are rare??? Just wondering.....
>>--
>Many cars sold here in Finland are *small* and *cheap* cars (at least when
>compared to other cars --- note that we have over 120 % car tax).
>And you couldn't expect a good auto mated to a 1.3 L engine?
>Most of the bigger cars are, however, sold with autos.
Here in Australia most cars are manual (privately owned anyway). Why?
Not sure, I think it has something to do with the fact that our car industry
in the past was more closely aligned with Europe than the US in the past.
Now it's aligned with Asia.
Scott.
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| 7rec.autos |
Re: DX50 vs DX266
arnolm2@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Richard Arnold) writes:
>chip in the future. I must be missing something, since everyone is
>buying the DX2 66... Many adds don't even mention the DX 50.
The 50 MHz external bus speed provides a hell for cache designs. Most
of the DX-50 boards have too slow caches that make them effectively
DX2-50:s. Also as someone else pointed out, local bus boards are
better off at 33 MHz bus speed. The 8k internal cache allows the
DX2-66 to be generally faster anyway.
--
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| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Re: <Political Atheists?
mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes:
> I think you mean circular, not recursive, but that is semantics.
> Recursiveness has no problems, it is just horribly inefficient (just ask
> any assembly programmer.)
Tail-recursive functions in Scheme are at least as efficient as iterative
loops. Anyone who doesn't program in assembler will have heard of optimizing
compilers.
mathew
| 0alt.atheism |
Re: Windows Speaker Sound Driver
Tony S Annese (claebaur@shell.portal.com) wrote:
: In article <1993Apr19.235430.6097@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> alee@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Alec Lee) writes:
: >Is there an ftp site where I can get the MS speaker sound driver? There's
: >a "sound.exe" file that claims to be the driver but I'm suspicious since
: >it's not a .drv file.
:
: Thats the file...
It's a self-extracting archive. (Run it and it extracts a .drv file.)
Michael
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
14.4K Fax Modem for Sale - Repost
Hi,
Since the original buyer found out he couldn't use this modem
for his Mac (I beleive I mentioned that it's an internal in my
former post), the modem is re-available now. This modem is
SupraFaxModem V.32bis. If interested, please e-mail.
Thanks!
PS: I am sorry I already lost those e-mails stated interested
in this modem. If you all are still interested, please
e-mail me again.
| 6misc.forsale |
Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
> Yes, do see item 18 in the sci.physics FAQ file. The mass is only
> fundamental and invariant under the new definition. Since most people are
> more familiar with the old definition of mass, I claim it's reasonable to use
> the old definition when posting to alt.atheism.
Referring to the rest mass, or what I would just call mass, as m0...
The "new definition" is decades old! Anyone who has worked with SR
since then would be familiar with it. If "most people" are familiar
with m = gamma m0 (a highly questionable assertion anyway), I would
expect it is on the large part due to learning SR from lousy
popularizations instead of proper textbooks!
> In particular, as the FAQ points out, with mass redefined as a fundamental and
> invariant property, E is no longer mc^2. I suspect that using the new
> definition would cause more confusion than it would remove...
Why should we require E = mc^2 even when p != 0? Because it's cute?
Saying m = gamma m0 adds confusion. For example, people might think
that the formula for kinetic energy still works if m = gaamma m0, ie.
K.E. != 1/2 gamma m0 v^2. Wrong. (In fact it's (gamma - 1)m0 c^2.)
However, if you say p = gamma m v you always get the right answers.
In the end it does boil down to a matter of definition. You and I
both know what is going on, and *that* is invariant! To say that
things actually get heavier when moving fast (relative to the observer)
misrepresents what is actually going on: it is better to say that
momentum / velocity is observed to increase according to an external
observer.
But people who haven't studied SR properly will still make mistakes
or miss the point regardless of what you call mass.
> > You need a gravitational field to curve space, not speed (relative to
> > what?).
>
> I didn't say it was the speed that was curving space.
Yes you did. From <930423.110254.3I5.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>:
# Again, things get tricky when they move fast. Objects get heavier, space
# gets curved, and reality generally fails to live up to one's expectations.
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| 0alt.atheism |
Re: The Universe and Black Holes, was Re: 2000 years.....
salem@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Bruce Salem) writes:
>Is this Zeno's Paradox?
No. Zeno's paradox is resolved by showing that integration or an infinite
series of decreasing terms can sum to a finite result.
>Nothing can get out of a black hole because
>the escape velocity is the speed of light. I don't know how time dialation
>can prevent matter spiraling in from getting to the event horizon. Can any-
>one explain how matter gets in.
Well, suppose a probe emitting radiation at a constant frequency was
sent towards a black hole. As it got closer to the event horizon, the
red shift would keep increasing. The period would get longer and longer,
but it would never stop. An observer would not observe the probe actually
reaching the event horizon. The detected energy from the probe would keep
decreasing, but it wouldn't vanish. Exp(-t) never quite reaches zero.
I guess the above probably doesn't make things any more clear, but hopefully
you will get the general idea maybe.
keith
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Re: Crazy? or just Imaginitive?
In article <1993Apr21.205403.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:
>
>Unfortunately H. Beam Piper killed him self just weeks short of having his
>first book published, and have his ideas see light.. Such a waste.
>
>
Piper lived in my town (Williamsport, PA) when he killed himself. It
was in the early '60's. He had had more than a few books published by
that time, but he was down on his luck financially. Rumor was that he
was hunting urban pigeons with birdshot for food. He viewed himself as
a resourceful man, and (IMO) decided to check out gracefully if he
couldn't support himself. The worst part is that John Campbell, the
long-time editor of Astounding/Analog SF magazine had cut a check for
Piper's most recent story, and said check was in the mail. If Campbell
had known Piper's straits, I'm sure he would have phoned to say hang on.
Campbell was like that.
I wish it had happened differently. I always enjoyed Piper's stuff.
Doug Loss
| 14sci.space |
Re: Interfaith weddings
Bill Burns was looking for a description of the differnces between the
Catholic and Lutheran churches.
I'd recommend Prof. William Whalen's book "Separated Brethren". It's
an overview of common US denominations, intended for a Catholic
audience.
--
Richard Aquinas Chonak, norris@mit.edu
Seeking job change: sys-mgr: VAX, SIS, COBOL; programmer; UNIX, C, C++, X
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Re: Virtual Reality for X on the CHEAP!
ridout@bink.plk.af.mil (Brian S. Ridout) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.134802.21995@mfltd.co.uk>, sts@mfltd.co.uk (Steve Sherwood (x5543)) writes:
>|> Has anyone got multiverse to work ?
>|>
>|> I have built it on 486 svr4, mips svr4s and Sun SparcStation.
>|>
>|> There seems to be many bugs in it. The 'dogfight' and 'dactyl' simply do nothing
>|> (After fixing a bug where a variable is defined twice in two different modules - One needed
>|> setting to static - else the client core-dumped)
>|>
>|> Steve
>|> --
>|>
>|> Extn 5543, sts@mfltd.co.uk, !uunet!mfocus!sts
I've tried compiling it on several SPARCstations with gcc 2.22. After
fixing up a few bugs (3 missing constant definitions plus a couple of
other things) I got it to compile & link, but after starting client
& server I just get a black window; sometimes the client core dumps,
sometimes the server, sometimes I get a broken pipe, sometimes it
just sits there doing nothing although I occassionally get the
cursor to become a cross-hair in dog-fight, but that's it. I've
sent word to the author plus what I did to fix it last week, but
no reply as yet.
Peter K. Campbell
p.campbell@trl.oz.au
| 1comp.graphics |
The scenario and genocide staged by the Armenians 78 years ago.
The scenario and genocide staged by the Armenians 78 years ago in
x-Soviet Armenia is being reenacted again - this time in Azerbaijan.
The stories of survivors of Karabag massacre are in 'Milliyet' today.
69 year old Hatin Nine telling:
-''My Twin grandchildren were cut to pieces in front of my eyes. They told
me: We won't kill you. But the babies have to die in front of your eyes.''
72 year old Huseyin Ibrahimoglu:
- ''Our Turkish village in Khojalu Town was blown up in two hours.
While killing children and babies mercilessly they said: You are
Turks, you must die.''
28 year old Gulsum Huseyin:
- ''They bayonetted my 3 year old daughter in her stomach in front of
my eyes.''
Are these stories lies? Have the eye-witnesses been day-dreaming?
Were these stories forged by Turkish journalists in the region?
The nonsense of such a claim is clear from the writings of British
Journalists, too. Two days before we had quoted from a Sunday Times
article. They[British] reported the events in Karabag even before
Turkish journalists. What is more here are the pictures. Pictures
of people who were bayonetted, whose eyes were gouged, ears cut off.
Even the Armenian Radio couldn't claim these "lies." They are saying
"exaggeration." That means ''somethings'' have happened but the
situation is not as bad as reported. Perhaps that village of Khojalu
town was destroyed in 4 hours, instead of 2... Or Gulsum Huseyin's
3 year old daughter was bayonetted in her chest instead of stomach...
The massacre is clearly seen with all its dimensions. The effects of
this massacre on Karabag and environs cannot be reduced by any word.
Some of the western press', led by some French Newspapers, ability
to ''close their eyes'' is nothing but complicity in this massacre.
Yesterday we gave samples from Le Figaro. Until yesterday's print
no news about the real events in Karabag were printed. So were the
French TV channels.. The subject they considered related to Karabag
was ''The necessity of protecting Armenians against Azeri attacks.''
The age we are living in is termed a human rights age. There are lots
of organizations such as United Nations and CSCE(Conference on Security
and Cooperation in Europe), and rules, all designed to fight against human
rights violations. International reactions must be made with international
cooperation. With support of everybody and every organization claiming
to be civilized.
Could there be a more serious human rights violation than that of the
right to live -and with such levels of barbarity and cruelty-? Where
is the cooperation? Where are the reactions? And the intellectuals,
journalists, writers, TV stations of certain western countries such
as France who are fast to claim leadership of "human rights?"
Where are you?
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Peace Talks Resume
In article <1993Apr27.194346.8707@dazixco.ingr.com> nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com writes:
>
>Peace Talks Resume Today; Israel to Offer Palestinians New
> Proposals
>
>Israel Radio, KOL YISRAEL, reports on today's resumption in
>Washington of the bilateral peace talks, following a recess which
>lasted over four months. According to the report, Israel is
>expected to offer the Palestinians new proposals regarding the
>authority of the Palestinian Executive Council, general elections,
>control over land and human rights issues in the Territories.
>Israel will express its readiness to give the Palestinians control
>of more land than previously offered.
>According to the radio
>report, one estimate is that Israel will give the Palestinians
>control over as much as two thirds of the administered lands, as
>well as broad authority on water issues. Israel will seek to
>promote its offer to hold elections in the Territories in hopes of
>strengthening the position of the Palestinian delegation to the
>peace negotiations. According to Israel Radio, the Israeli
>delegation to the bilateral talks with the Palestinians will offer
>greater responsibilities to the Palestinian Executive Council
>allowing it certain legislative capabilities, without making it a
>symbol for Palestinian sovereignty. U.S. Secretary of State Warren
>Christopher invited all the heads of delegations to a gathering
>tonight. It will be the first such event since the Madrid
>conference. Head of the American team at the bilateral peace talks,
>Edward Djerejian, said that tonight's gathering is meant to
>demonstrate the U.S.' active role in the peace process.
>
I hope, I hope, that we can begin to involve ourselves in the issues
and concerns related to this peace process. We have differing opinions,
certainly, on these aspects but it is clear that we all share the hope
that "resolution" of the tensions and conflict **will** happen.
As we "run to the defense" of our side, there is no need to constantly
involve ourselves in name-calling. All of us are regularly confused by
the "other's" reactive posting because "they" spend most of the post
applying "labels" and presenting slogans than in just presenting their
honest views. Then...when we "react", we do the same thing.
-------------=--------------------+-----------------------=-----------
Do you, as I do, agree that this (sort) of "peace process" is needed?
What about the particular points mentioned in the article? Is what
Israel is (supposedly) going to propose "good"? Does it go too far?
Not far enough?
If you don't agree that a "peace process" is needed, what is?
--
Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student
UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society
fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine
Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++
In a previous article, essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) says:
>In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com>, kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>|> > Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about
>|> it!
>|> I bought my VFR750 from a guy in San Jose via the net. That's 825 miles
>|> according to my odometer!
>mark andy (living in pittsburgh) bought his RZ350 from a dude in
>massachusetts (or was it connecticut?).
I sold a bike via the net to a young lady who lived in Salt Lake City. I
live near Lost Angeles. It turned out we had mutual aquaintances at UCLA
as well.
--
Al Bowers DOD #900 Alfa Ducati Hobie Kottke 'blad Iaido NASA
"Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"
-Mary Chapin-Carpenter
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Chicago area roommate needed (Evanston)
Non-smoking roommate needed
to sublet
1BR in 2BR carpeted apt.
in Evanston, IL
near the Dempster el stop
parking is available
Rent is $322.50/mo. + 1/2 utils.
avail. May 1 - beg./end Aug.
(entire apt. available Sept. 1)
Roommate is 26 years-old, vegetarian,
non-smoking female who works at
Northwestern
No neat freaks please!
Call Denise (708) 491-7603 (w)
(708) 869-8307 (H)
dc@nwu.edu
| 6misc.forsale |
Re: The doctrine of Original Sin
In article <May.10.05.07.56.1993.3582@athos.rutgers.edu>,
muddmj@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
> > Therefore, until someone is capable of comprehending
> > God's laws they are not accountable for living them.
> > They are in the book of life and are not removed until
> > they can make a conscious decision to disobey God.
> >
> > A IDLER
>
> If babies are not supposed to be baptised then why doesn't the Bible
> ever say so. It never comes right and says "Only people that know
> right from wrong or who are taught can be baptised."
> What Christ did say was :
>
> "I solemly assure you, NO ONE can enter God's kingdom without
> being born of water and Spirit ... Do not be surprised that I
> tell you you must ALL be begotten from above."
>
> Could this be because everyone is born with original sin?
>
> Mike
Do we attach some meaning of the Israelites entering "the promised land" to
Christianity?
I submit God did not hold the children responsible when the adults chose
to follow the bad report of the 10 spies over Joshua and Caleb. This is
recorded for us in Deuteronomy 1:39 "Moreover your little ones, which ye said
should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge
between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give
it, and they shall possess it."
At least to me it seems there was/is an age, or point in maturity where
they were/are held responsible, and could not enter the "Promised Land",
younger ones were not held to the same "rules", at least not by God.
| "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." |
| "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit." |
| (proverbs 26:4&5)
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Wanted: diagram drawing program
I am looking for a program to draw various kinds of diagrams on my Linux
system.
- It must be free.
- It must run on standard (monochrome) X with a small screen size (800x600)
No motif/openlook etc.
- It must compile under Linux with gcc/g++. Most generic unix software
works ok.
- It must produce postscript files that I can include into LaTeX documents
with dvips. Or just tell me another free program that converts one
of the supported formats to ps.
- It must produce drawings that are larger than the window size (scrollable).
I know of several such programs, idraw, xfig. tgif. I have
no experience with any of them. Features I would like in the programs are.
- ability to draw circles, arcs, straight lines, boxes and arrows.
- support for both dashed and solid line styles for all of these objects.
- support for texts in any size.
- ability to move/copy/resize/rotate any part of the drawing.
- ability to turn any part of the drawing into a library component
(e.g. a transistor symbol composed of three lines, an arrow and a circle)
- any aid (numeric coordinates, screen grid) to align parts of the drawing.
- less essential, but in fact very handy: preservation of connection.
If I move one part of the drawing, the lines that connect that part to the
rest of the drawing, stay connected.
Ideally I want the tool so general and flexible that it is comfortable to
draw electronic schematics, flow charts, logic diagrams, data flow diagrams
and block diagrams with it.
I just want to know which of the programs offer which of the features on my
whishlist and are there any other programs? How demanding are the programs
with respect to disk space, memory and CPU usage? Are any of the programs
known to work on Linux with monochrome X?
Lennart.
| 5comp.windows.x |
$ 80 SVX OIL CHANGE
My friend brought a subaru SVX recently. I had drove it for couples times and I
think its a great car, esp on snow. However when she took it to a local Subaru
dealer for a oil change, the bill came out to be about 80 dollars. The dealer
told us it is because to change the oil filter on a SVX it is necessary to
disassemble a metal cover under the engine and that took an hour of labour.
At first, we think we are being ripped off so she phone to a dealer in Toronto
but found out the they are charging roughly the same price. So is there any
SVX owner out there that has the same problem ? And if the oil change story is
true, then the engineer of Subaru looks pretty stubid to me. By the way, the car
looks great.
SWD Wan.
| 7rec.autos |
Source for Deskwriter Ink Carts.
Could someone please e-mail or post a cheap source for ink carts for the HP
Deskwriter? Original HP carts are preferred, but I will settle for
third-party brands if they are of good quality.
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Re: emm386 and windows
>On my PC I almost exclusively run windows. The only dos based application
>I have is ProcommPlus. In my config.sys I have emm386 loaded with the
>option noems (no expanded memory). Following a thread in one of the comp
>newsgroups, I read that it was no necessary to have emm386 loaded. Indeed,
>in the manual, it says that emm386 is used to get expanded memory out of
>extended memory. Since I have the noems option, it seems to me that the
>emm386 device is useless in my case.
>
>Should I use emm386 or should I remove it from my config.sys?
>
>Thanks for your help,
>
>-Eric
emm386 noems enables the system to use the "upper memory" between 640 and
1024. That's a good place for device drivers, DOS kernal, etc.
(Keep it in!)
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Jeff Mason's Auction = Marvel, DC, Valiant, Image, etc...
The following comics are for auction. The highest bid takes them!
TITLE Minimum/Current
--------------------------------------------------------------
Alpha Flight 51 (Jim Lee's first work at Marvel) $ 5.00
Aliens 1 (1st app Aliens in comics, 1st prnt, May 1988) $20.00/KrisM./SOLD
Amazing Spider-Man 136 (Intro new Green Goblin) $20.00
Amazing Spider-Man 238 (1st appearance Hobgoblin) $50.00
Archer and Armstrong 1 (Frank Miller/Smith/Layton) $ 7.50
Avengers 263 (1st appearance X-factor) $ 3.50
Bloodshot 1 (Chromium cover, BWSmith Cover/Poster) $ 5.00/Same/THREE
CyberRad 1 (Reintro CyberRad, Prestige silver edition) $15.00
Daredevil 158 (Frank Miller art begins) $35.00
Dark Horse Presents 1 (1st app Concrete, 1st printing) $ 7.50
Detective 657 (Azrael appears, Intro Cypher) $ 5.00
Detective 658 (Azrael appears) $ 4.00
Harbinger 10 (1st appearance H.A.R.D. Corps) $ 7.00/B.Matthey/SOLD
H.A.R.D. Corps 1 $ 5.00
Incredible Hulk 324 (1st app Grey Hulk since #1 1962) $ 7.00
Incredible Hulk 330 (1st McFarlane issue) $15.00
Incredible Hulk 331 (Grey Hulk series begins) $11.00
Incredible Hulk 367 (1st Dale Keown art in Hulk) $15.00
Incredible Hulk 377 (1st all new hulk, 1st prnt, Keown) $15.00
Marvel Comics Presents 1 (Wolverine, Silver Surfer) $ 7.50
Marvel Presents (Charleston Chew giveaway, Sam Keith) $ 5.00
Maxx Limited Ashcan (4000 copies exist, blue cover) $33.50/BrentB/SOLD
Mr T. #1 (Signed Advance copy, 10,000 exist) $10.00
New Mutants 86 (McFarlane cover, 1st app Cable - cameo) $10.00
New Mutants 100 (1st app X-Force) $ 5.00
New Mutants Annual 5 (1st Liefeld art on New Mutants) $10.00
Omega Men 3 (1st appearance Lobo) $ 7.50
Omega Men 10 (1st full Lobo story) $ 7.50
Power Man & Iron Fist 78 (3rd appearance Sabretooth) $20.00
Power Man & Iron Fist 84 (4th appearance Sabretooth) $15.00
Simpsons Comics and Stories 1 (Polybagged special ed.) $ 7.50
Spectacular Spider-Man 147 (1st app New Hobgoblin) $12.50
Spider-Man Special (UNICEF giveaway, vs Venom) $10.00
Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Feb 1988, DC mini) $ 7.50
Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Oct 1989, DC comics) $ 7.50
Trianglehead #1 (Special limited edition, autographed) $ 5.00
Web of Spider-Man 29 (Hobgoblin, Wolverine appear) $10.00
Web of Spider-Man 30 (Origin Rose, Hobgoblin appears) $ 7.50
Wolverine 10 (Before claws, 1st battle with Sabretooth) $15.00
Wolverine 41 (Sabretooth claims to be Wolverine's dad) $ 5.00
Wolverine 42 (Sabretooth proven not to be his dad) $ 3.50
Wolverine 43 (Sabretooth/Wolverine saga concludes) $ 3.00
Wolverine 1 (1982 mini-series, Miller art) $20.00
Wonder Woman 267 (Return of Animal Man) $12.50
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, X-Force card) $20.00
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Shatterstar card) $10.00
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Deadpool card) $10.00
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Sunspot/Gideon) $10.00
All comics are in near mint to mint condition, are bagged in shiny
polypropylene bags, and backed with white acid free boards. Shipping is
$1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order
a large enough amount of stuff. I am willing to haggle.
I have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what
you've been looking for, and maybe I can help. Some titles I have posted
here don't list every issue I have of that title, I tried to save space.
--
Geoffrey R. Mason | jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu
Department of Psychology | mason@webb.psych.ufl.edu
University of Florida | prothan@maple.circa.ufl.edu
| 6misc.forsale |
Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography
Generally, an organization has influence in proportion to:
The narrowness of its objectives
The number of members
The strength of belief of its members
This is why the pro- and anti-abortion groups are so strong: narrow objectives,
lots of interested members who are real passionate.
For this reason, mixing with the NRA is probably a bad idea. It diffuses
the interests of both groups. It may well diminish the Passion Index
of the combined organization. It is not clear it would greatly enlarge
the NRA.
So, I believe a new organization, which may cooperate with NRA where the
two organization's interest coincide, is the optimum strategy.
lew
--
Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com
"Perspective is worth 80 IQ points." Niels Bohr (or somebody like that).
| 11sci.crypt |
HELP: How to get a SCUMSTER
Hi, everyone;
I need an advice on what is the best way to get a scumster.
Several weeks ago I posted an article on behalf of a friend who wanted
an external HD for mac. The scumster - R.E.P. - called my friend and
they agreed on a price. My friend (unexperienced and not too fluent in
English) paid by check, requesting R.E.P. to call him back when the check
arrives and the HD is send. Well, the check was cashed 3/24 and that is
that. Phone # that R.E.P. gave is on the answering machine all the time
and there is no reaction when the message is left; e-mail address does not
bounce but again there is no answer. I know, that R.E.P. is a student at
University of Delaware; I have his e-mail address, his US postal address
and his (?) phone#. The question is: WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Sincerely,
Victor Levenson (VVL2H@virginia.edu)
P.S. The reason I did not put R.E.P.'s full name is that I still hope...
P.P.S. If I get enough responses I will post a summary, maybe even on a
regular basis.
VL
--
====================================
Dr.Victor V.Levenson Tel (804) 924 2370 lab
Dept. of Biochemistry Internet VVL2H@virginia.edu
| 6misc.forsale |
Re: If Oilers go to Hamilton
In article <1993Apr26.023650.16749@spang.Camosun.BC.CA>,
ua256@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (Tom Moffat) says:
>
>If the Oilers move to Hamilton what division will they play in .
And won't they have to change their name to the "Steelers" or something.
The only significant deposits of oil around Hamilton are those caused by
the tire fire a few years back.
Then again if the NBA can have the Utah Jazz or the L.A. Lakers (think about
it, what lakes are in L.A.) then I guess the NHL can have the Hamilton Oilers.
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Re: thoughts on christians
Excerpts from netnews.alt.atheism: 15-Apr-93 Re: thoughts on christians
by Dave Fuller@portal.hq.vi
> I'm sick of religious types being pampered, looked out for, and WORST
> OF ALL . . . . respected more than atheists. There must be an end
> in sight.
>
I think it'd help if we got a couple good atheists (or even some good,
steadfast agnostics) in some high political offices. When was the last
time we had an (openly) atheist president? Have we ever? (I don't
actually know; these aren't rhetorical questions.) How 'bout some
Supreme court justices?
One thing that really ticked me off a while ago was an ad for a news
program on a local station...The promo said something like "Who are
these cults, and why do they prey on the young?" Ahem. EVER HEAR OF
BAPTISM AT BIRTH? If that isn't preying on the young, I don't know what
is...
I used to be (ack, barf) a Catholic, and was even confirmed...Shortly
thereafter I decided it was a load of BS. My mom, who really insisted
that I continue to go to church, felt it was her duty (!) to bring me up
as a believer! That was one of the more presumptuous things I've heard
in my life. I suggested we go talk to the priest, and she agreed. The
priest was amazingly cool about it...He basically said that if I didn't
believe it, there was no good in forcing it on me. Actually, I guess he
wasn't amazingly cool about it--His response is what you'd hope for
(indeed, expect) from a human being. I s'pose I just _didn't_ expect
it...
I find it absurd that religion exists; Yet, I can also see its
usefulness to people. Facing up to the fact that you're just going to
be worm food in a few decades, and that there isn't some cosmic purpose
to humanity and the universe, can be pretty difficult for some people.
Having a readily-available, pre-digested solution to this is pretty
attractive, if you're either a) gullible enough, b) willing to suspend
your reasoning abilities for the piece of mind, or c) have had the stuff
rammed down your throat for as long as you can remember. Religion in
general provides a nice patch for some human weaknesses; Organized
religion provides a nice way to keep a population under control.
Blech.
Chris
----------------------
Chris Leger
Sophomore, Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineering
Remember...if you don't like what somebody is saying, you can always
ignore them!
| 0alt.atheism |
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