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Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test
In article <1993Apr19.183819.5324@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com
(Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>In article <C5qK7t.2qK@voder.nsc.com>, matt@galaxy.nsc.com
>(Matt Freivald x8043) writes:
>>
>> In article <1993Apr16.033313.18356@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com
>> (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>
>> As far as "set the moral tone" is concerned, if a community does not
>> collectively want to put up with prostitution going on in front of their
>> kids, why should they have to? If a community does not want to see
>> proliferation of drugs among their kids, why should they have to?
>
> By what right? And do tell, from the standpoint of the drug
>dealer or prostitute, what is the difference if the gun is pointed
>by the local hick city council or the feds?
> If something is wrong, it is wrong. Period. If it is not
>sustainable at a federal level why should it be OK just because
>the geographical unit is smaller?
>
Peter Nelson posted a very eloquent response to this point in
talk.politics.misc, so I need not consume more bandwidth here.
>
>> The problem with the egalitarian view is that it tries to deny the
>> fundamental dilemma of democratic government: The People have a right
>> to exercise a voice in their community, yet individuals have the right
>> to be left to themselves. This is a serious dilemma precisely because
>> there is not much that takes place in a vacuum.
>
> You are seriously misusing the word egalitarian. You should
>look the word up before you use it. There is a vast difference
>between Equal Justice under the Law and Egalitarianism.
What I meant, if it was not clear, was the intersection set of liberal
and libertarian philosophies of "natural rights" and how the government
(and Constitutional interpretation in particular) fits into that
philosophy. This philosophy engages in the very serious practical
error of endowing the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court with an almost
totalitarian authority, completely outside of the consent or consensus
of The People. This is why Supreme Court nominations are such amazing
political fist-fights these days, because He who Controls the Court
Rules the Country. The people on the Court may well be trying to do
the best job they can, but they are at best a benevolent oligarch, even
if you approve of every Supreme Court decision ever. Eventually, an
oligarch will arise that will decimate that which you hold dear. Try
Supreme Court cases by Jury, and the problem would be mitigated a great
deal.
Those who would create broad, non-enumerated government powers at any
level (as in European Parlamentary Democracies and the current de-facto
standard in the U.S.) have essentially engaged in the same fundamental
mistake, except that it is some different body that has the totalitarian,
virtually unchecked (except by plurality election, death, or retirement),
government power.
> And *why* should your community be allowed to stop my activities
>when I'm not picking your pocket or defrauding you? Just because
>you don't like it? Because you find it morally repugnant?
This is like asking why the wind blows, unless you can prove that
the fact of your engaging in certain activities has absolutely no
effect whatsoever on any other human being who has not consented to
your engagement in those activities. Very few human activities indeed
fit into this category.
Even for those few that do, who would you empower to make the judgement
of what is and is not a fully autonomous activity? Who defines "picking
my pocket" and "defrauding"? Are economic assets a person's only assets,
or are peace of mind, stability, confidence in a child's emotional
environment, security, and many other things not also a part of a person's
assets? What gives you the right to create a moral environment that a
parent strongly objects to? What gives you the right to create an
environment of social unrest and instability? If you say that what you
do does not have those effects, by what authority do you say that? Who
is empowered to make these value judgements?
>How
>would *you* feel if I got a gang together and found xtianity
>(or insert your favorite cause here) morally repugnant and
>passed laws to outlaw its free exercise? (all at a local
>level, since that seems to be A-OK with you)
>
If the Federal Constitution explicitly prohibited you from doing so, the
federal government would prevent you from doing so. If it did not, and
you could muster enough local support to pass an amendment to the local
Constitution (by, say, a 3/4 majority) empowering the local government
to do so, then I would have to vote with my feet and move to a neighborhood
more friendly to my own system of values. This is not an ideal situation,
but it is far better than the mess we are mired in right now.
>> As to the "gang of pitchfork and torch wielding friends", there are very
>> few restrictive local laws that I personally would advocate or vote for,
>> since I am of the view that exercising government power over your neighbors
>> should be done with extreme care and only when absolutely necessary. But
>> I DO believe in protecting children from victimization by people who have
>> callous disregard for the effects they have on others. I would certainly
>> leave a "well-behaved" massage parlor alone, so long as it had no
>> detrimental effects on the neighborhood.
>
> You just don't get it. The debate is not whether you or a
>communitity would or would not vote away my rights; it is
>the propriety of whether that should even be an *option*.
When you define "rights" very broadly, there is no practical choice about
whether people will or will not infringe upon your rights since these
"rights" overlap. Even when rights are defined very narrowly, the government
has been empowered to prevent others from infringing on your rights. The
fundamental question is, by whose authority is that power created. If you
support the current situation with a "natural rights" Supreme Court (rather
than an "original understanding" Supreme Court or, even better, Supreme
Court by Jury), you are consenting to having nine lawyers in Washington,
D.C. create those powers out of the air. In my "Fractal Federalism" scenario,
it is a broad consensus of The People (i.e. the amendment process) that
creates those powers.
>> Certainly not the only cause, Mike, but people in a local neighborhood
>> should have a voice in what goes on in that neighborhood. To deny this
>> is to create another concentrated centralized power to keep the locality
>> from abusing its power
>
> [!!!] You mean that horrific centralized power, the individual?
No, I mean the federal government that comes trucking in with guns to
tell the locals how to run their neighborhood. Waco, TX is a nice example.
>
>>-- in essence, using a pit bull to keep a toy poodle
>> from biting your leg. Chances are, the pit bull is going to turn on you
>> some day, and you have much less defense against it than you do against
>> the toy poodle. Ideally, everyone would leave everyone else alone and
>> no government coercive power of any kind would be necessary. This will
>> never work, because people are different and by their nature they will
>> always want to force their views on others. If this were not the case,
>> nobody would try to force their view that murder is wrong on anyone else.
>
> Fine. When they force their views on others prosecute them.
>Until then leave them alone. This is such a simple concept.
>How do you feel about speech codes? Hate speech certainly
>*could* be considered an indication that the "pit bull is
>going to turn some day". Should the "community" be allowed
>to limit it too? If not, why not?
If you create a community where public masturbation is permitted in the
cause of "personal autonomy", have you done anything different? What
precisely are these autonomous activities you are referring to? If you
list them, perhaps we can get enough people to agree that they are truly
autonomous and pass a constitutional amendment protecting them.
> And how do you feel about David Koresh? Did he deserve
>it? Should the BATF (or a local version of same) be allowed
>to toss him in jail just because they *think* he's off
>his rocker?
The Koresh Incident appears to be a horrendous abuse of government power,
power possibly illegitimately obtained through a means I would abolish.
The constitutionality of "no-knock" warrants seems very dubious to me, not
to mention the mere existence of BATF and the government's propensity to
ignore the word "infringe" in the Second Amendment. This power is upheld
by the same body, with its incredible concentration of power in the hands
of nine people, that has upheld much so-called "Civil Rights" (read- affirmative
action) legislation despite the Fourteenth Amendment.
>
>> > Who said anything about the public till? Get rid of it, and
>> >get out of my face.
>> >
>>
>> I agree about getting rid of the public till. Are you still sure you don't
>> want to come over for coffee? You might not especially like my neighborhood,
>> and I might not especially like yours, but at least we can agree to let each
>> other live the kind of life we want to.
>
> At the point you get rid of the public till, you lose all
>credibility as to *why* you should have a say about my private
>affairs. Are you sure you are ready for that?
>--
Money is certainly not the only asset I have in this world. If it were,
this would be a bleak existence indeed.
>
> Michael Thomas (mike@gordian.com)
Matt Freivald
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Re: Helsinki/Stockholm & NHL expansion?
In article <1993Apr15.095653.17514@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>In <C5H9wr.6J3@polaris.utu.fi> franti@polaris.utu.fi writes:
>Not too low perhaps, but surely not as high as that of an European NHL
>division. The Finnish team, for example, would contain all players currently
on
>the national team plus a top-class foreigner or two. They would be in an
>entirely different league than TPS or Jokerit, both of whom have perhaps a
>dozen players of international class - if even that. Why settle for a minor
>league when you could have the best?
How many players of international class an average NHL team has. 6-10?
Top players just play more in smaller rinks. Is the quality of European hockey
really poor, then recent years only few north-american (usually good farm
players) players have got place in Finnish league or Elitserien, while most
have been shipped back.
Petteri Kortelainen
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Magstrip Card Reader Info
Can somebody please help me with information about an
American Magnetics Corporation Magstripe Card Reader that
I recently bought locally from a surplus dealer.
On the rear it has the following information:
American Magnetics Corporation
Carson, CA, USA
Magstripe Card Reader
Model 41,
P/N 507500 - 2300112311
It is fitted with a cable with a RS232 Cannon 25-pin connector on
the end and has a separate power connector like the once used with
wall chargers.
Frode
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* Frode Weierud Phone : 41 22 7674794 *
* CERN, SL Fax : 41 22 7823676 *
* CH-1211 Geneva 23 E-mail : frode@dxcern.cern.ch *
* Switzerland or weierud@cernvm.cern.ch *
**************************************************************************
| 12sci.electronics |
Re: Daytona
In article <RTARAZ.93Apr22104337@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
>Well, I watched the Daytona race on TNN. Boy for the people who saw
>it:
>Was the Yamaha a lot faster than the Kawi or what? on the last
>stretch the Yami took of and left the Kawi in the dust. I am a Kawi
>rider and am totaly disappointed in the Kawi!
It wasn't that the Lawson's V&H OWO1 was faster. If you watch the tape
again, Russell had major backmarker problems before getting onto the banking.
It doesn't matter what bike you have, if you lose your drive, your hosed.
The two bikes are almost identically fast. Check out the qualifying times.
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Re: Would "clipper" make a good cover for other encryption method?
In article <strnlghtC5t42t.J9B@netcom.com>, strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
> Chances are the government has thought of this, and "just anyone" won't be
> permitted access to enough of the internals to make a "fake" clipper chip.
> Chances are that the government has classified some details of the internals
> at a very high level, and manufacturers are required to observe security
> safeguards and clearances corresponding to that level.
Assume in this case the usual canard-adversary of narcotraficantes. They
probably have more cash than the KGB did, and they're probably more generous
at handing it out. It will be easier than ever to find or cultivate Walkers
and Pollards for the keys, and it will be easy enough to find someone to
reverse-engineer the chip (unless the tamper proofing is damned clever and
effective).
Brad Yearwood brad@optilink.com {uunet, pyramid}!optilink!brad
Petaluma, CA
| 11sci.crypt |
Re: Help with antidepressants requested.
In article <736250544snx@penguin.equinox.gen.nz>,
blubird@penguin.equinox.gen.nz (Gordon Taylor) wrote:
> The Prozac gave very bad anxiety/jitters and insomina, it was impossible to
> sit still for more than a minute or so.
I tried Prozac a few months ago, and had some insomnia from it, but no
anxiety or jitters. I probably could have lived with the insomnia if the
Prozac had done any good, but it only provided a tiny benefit. Maybe
because the person who prescribed it didn't know much and gave up after a
20mg dose didn't work.
Now I'm seeing a psychiatrist who has put me on Zoloft (another serotonin
reuptake inhibitor like Prozac). One pill/day (50mg) seemed to help some.
Now I'm trying 100mg/day. Zoloft has fewer and milder side effects than
Prozac. I think my doctor said that only 4% of the people taking Zoloft
have to discontinue it because of side effects. The only problem I'm
having is some minor GI distress, but nothing too annoying. Hopefully the
Zoloft will work. Maybe your friend should try this one next.
My psychiatrist's strategy seems to be to first try one of the serotonin
drugs, usually Prozac. If that works, great. If it works but has too many
side effects, try Zoloft or maybe Paxil. If the serotonin drugs don't work
at all, try one of the tricyclics like desipramine.
>...suggestions as to the next step?
Having a doctor who knows something about antidepressants can make a big
difference. My psychiatrist claims that most GPs and FPs don't have much
experience in this area, and from what I've seen I'm inclined to believe
him. I think I know more about antidepressants than the people at my
family practitioner's office.
Disclaimer: I'm not a doctor; what I know about this comes from talking to
my psychiatrist and reading sci.med.
--
John Werner werner@soe.berkeley.edu
UC Berkeley School of Education 510-596-5868
| 13sci.med |
Predicted Runs from Lineup
Some time back in this newsgroup, I seem to recall a thread about
predicting the runs a given lineup of 9 batters could be expected
to score given the appropriate statistical alphabet soup for these
hitters (OBP, SLG, AVG, bat length, hat size, day-of-the-week,
weather conditions, etc.). :-) Anyway, was I dreaming or is there
some such animal?
My apologies if this has been covered recently, I probably get to
read 10% of the articles posted here. No time.
Many thanks in advance,
scotty
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Tektronix, Inc. Graphics Printing & Imaging Products IBD (503)685-3622
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Re: The doctrine of Original Sin
Regarding the consequences of the original sin:
Catholics believe that what Adam primarily lost by his sin, for
himself and the human race, was sanctifying grace. This is basically
a share in the Divine life. Take a rock and make it able to talk:
what God does to a human being through sanctifying grace is similar.
It makes such a one able to live on a plane that is above the powers
of any possible creature. This is the "everlasting life" that the New
Testament speaks of.
What Christ did when he came was to restore this life of sanctifying
grace to the human race. He instituted the Sacraments as the means by
which this life is given to people, and its increase fostered.
The absence of sanctifying grace at death means automatic exclusion
from Heaven. The nature of Heaven is such that it's impossible for a
human being to have any part in it without the gift of sanctifying
grace. To use my example, it would be like taking that rock and
attempting to hold a conversation with it: rocks cannot talk. Neither
can human beings live in Heaven without sanctifying grace.
This all obviously applies equally well to infants or adults, since
both have souls. Infants must be baptized, therefore, or they cannot
enter into Heaven. They too need this form of life in them, or they
cannot enter into Heaven.
Turning it around, infant baptism is good supporting evidence for the
Catholic belief in sanctifying grace. Unless Baptism causes some
change in an infant's soul, there is no particular reason to insist on
the practice. Yet infant Baptism was probably practiced by the
Apostles themselves, and was *certainly* part of the Church shortly
thereafter.
There is evidence for infant Baptism in the New Testament itself: 1
Cor 1:16, Acts 16:15, 16:33, 18:8, also Acts 11:14. It is known for
sure that at least one disciple of the Apostle John was baptized as an
infant: St. Polycarp (because of a remark he makes in the acts of his
martyrdom). St. Justin Martyr mentions men and women baptized as
infants. There is direct evidence in St. Irenaeus's "Against
Heresies", and in Tertullian's "On Baptism". All these so far
mentioned are in the first 170 years after our Lord's death. After
that, there starts to be tons of evidence for the practice.
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL
How long has Don Cherry been a student at SFU? (or is that Arche Bunker?)
Please, keep this racist drivel off of the net. You're an embarassment
to Canadians everywhere.
Bill
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
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anybody knows one, please mail me!
Thanks.
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Re: JETS FANS! Hrivnak or Tabaracci??
In article <1993Apr6.172313.29469@wam.umd.edu> giant@next14pg2.wam.umd.edu (Thundarr) writes:
>After seeing Hrivnak and Tabarraci play, who
>would you prefer to have? And how about
>Tyler Larter? What ever happened to him??
You know what my answer will be: Hrivnak! The choice is obvious.
--
GO SKINS! ||"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite
GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?" - Mike Patton, Faith No More
GO HORNETS! ||
GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
4X4 On/Off-Road Rally - Joliet Il.
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* *
* ATTENTION ALL FOUR WHEEL OFF ROAD ENTHUSIASTS *
* *
* On/Off Road Rally - Sunday, April 25th *
* Joliet Illinois *
* *
************************************************************
The Event:
* The Joliet Mud Turtles, a Chicago land four wheel drive club, is
sponsoring an On/Off Road Rally Sunday April 25th.
* For those who ask "What is an on/off road rally?", well...
An On/Off Road Rally consists of the following:
1. An on-the-road rally where participants are given a set of
directions and clues guiding participates around the
Joliet/Plainfield area. The object is to navigate a course
based on a set of directions and clues. Participants will
be given a set of questions pertaining to the course which
they must answer along the way. Points are awarded for the
number of correct answers given. Directions will ultimately
lead to an off-road area where a four-wheel drive course is
set-up. At various locations in the on-road course, check-points
will be set-up where participants will be asked other questions
or requested to perform some activity (e.g. tire roll, truck tow,
basketball free-throw, etc.) for additional points.
2. An optional off-road, four wheel drive course where participants
will navigate off-road trails, mud bogs and/or hill climbs.
Points are awarded for successfully navigating off-road obstacles
without getting stuck. If you should get stuck (which is half
the fun anyway), there will be assistance to get your vehicle
unstuck so you can try it again. The off-road course will
divided up based on tire size, so stock 4x4s as well as modified
4x4s can run the course.
At the end of the rally, trophies will be awarded to top scoring
participants. Door prizes and dash plaques will also be given out.
Food and drinks also available at the conclusion.
* This is an organized activity sponsored by the Joliet Mud Turtles
so safety and fun is our foremost concern. All 4x4s must be
street legal and have solid tow points for the off-road section
of the course - we don't want to have to separate someone's bumper
from their vehicle :) .
The Particulars:
* Rally begins at Instant Replay, 2409 Plainfield Road, Joliet Il.
(815)436-9382 (see map below)
* Registration is between 9 and 10:30 a.m. First truck out at 10:00 a.m.
* Rally date is Sunday April 25th, rain or shine
* There is an entry fee of $10 per truck.
* You must have a co-driver (passengers allowed)
* A valid drivers license is required
* Suggested equipment:
CB Radio
Compass
Tow Strap and Clevis
Clip Board and Pencil
* No alcohol during rally
* For more information contact
Gary (815)727-3415
Tom (815)485-9346
Norm Jr. (815)741-4853
Brian (708)979-6083
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Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card
In article <1qie2rINN1b9@cae.cad.gatech.edu>, vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent
Fox) says:
>
[stuff deleted. all mine]
>Define "armed better". Go shoot a revolver and a semi-auto like the
>Colt .45. Does one fires faster than the other? Nope. Aside from which
>faster rate of fire is usually not desirable. Sure it makes the other
>guys duck for cover, but just *YOU* trying hitting anything with a Thompson
>in hose-mode. This is why the military is limiting it's M-16 now to
Aw come on. It worked great in the 1920's (or the movie version of the '20s
anyways) :-)
>3-round burst-fire. Simple semi-auto would be better, but the troops
>like to be able to rock and roll even if it is wasteful of ammo (something
>often in short supply when the enemy is plentiful).
>
>A revolver is equally capable as a semi-auto in the same caliber.
>
[stuff deleted about how revolvers are just as good as semi-autos]
All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as
I am not really familiar enough with handguns.
>Some police departments switched to Glocks, and then started quietly
>switching many officers back to the old revolvers. Too many were having
>accidents, partly due to the poor training they received. Not that Glocks
>require rocket scientists, but some cops are baffled by something as complex
>as the timer on a VCR.
Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing
that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is
that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety.
>
>Anyone who goes anyone saying that the criminals obviously outgun
>the police don't know nothing about firearms. Turn off COPS and Hunter
>and pay attention. I do not seek here to say "semi-autos are junk"
>merely that assuming they are better for all jobs is stupid. A cop
>with a revolver on his hip and a shotgun in the rack is more than
>equipped for anything short of a riot.
>
Actually I don't watch those shows :-) And you're right (at least partially).
I don't know much about handguns. I'm more familiar with rifles.
>Gun control is hitting what you aim at. If you whip out a
>wonder-nine and fire real fast you may find you don't hit anything.
>Good controlled fire from a revolver is more likely to get you a hit.
>I own a 9mm Beretta myself but consider it inferior as a carry weapon
>to something like the Ruger Security Six revolver. If I haven't hit
>what I'm aiming at in the first 5 shots, something is quite seriously
>wrong somewheres. While I might like having the backup capacity of those
>extra shots in certain cases, overwhelmingly the # of shots fired in
>criminal encounters is less than 5.
>
>What do crooks overwhelmingly use in crime? Why the same nice simple
>.38 revolvers that the police often use. Well actually some police
>prefer the much heftier .357 Magnum, but anyway.....
>
>ObPlea: Don't flame me, I prefer semi-autos for most things. But they
> introduce unneccessary complications to something as nerve-wracking
> as an abrupt encounter with a lone criminal.
>
>--
>"If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect."
> -BATF spokesperson on CNN 3/2/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX.
No flames here. All your points are well taken. Guess I still have a
lot to learn but thanks to this discussion I already am :-) Guess I
assume too many things like more bullets are better and that sort of
thing. Of course you know what happens when you assume ......... :-)
Jason
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Moe Berg
NPR this morning had an interview with Linda McCarthy (name possibly
garbled by me), an official historian for the CIA. She has won an Emmy
for research on Moe Berg for a TV documentary (which I know from nothing
but which sounds good). She said that among other things, Berg was the
principal spy for the OSS (CIA's WWII precursor) spying on Axis atomic
programs, because of his physics background and language skills. She said
that during the war he met with Heisenberg in Switzerland, and had
instructions to shoot Heisenberg if the Germans were close to us in bomb
research (he concluded they were two years behind, and didn't shoot him).
(I have heard elsewhere that Heisenberg deliberately misled the Nazi bomb
program, but I don't know how reliable this is.) Unfortunately, NPR didn't
mention any kind of a book she's writing -- I'd certainly buy it.
(In case you're wondering about baseball relevance, Berg was a longtime
MLB backup catcher. He was a member of an MLB All-Star team that toured
Japan in 1934, presumably not because of his baseball prowess but because
he was one of the few Americans, much less MLB players, who spoke Japanese.
Photos he took of Tokyo on that trip were later used to plan bombing raids,
according to McCarthy.)
Dave MB
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
1.2GB DISK for SALE!!!
I have a 1.2GB full size Seagate SCSI2 disk for sale. Model No. is ST41200N
This is a brand new disk, never been used or formatted.
Send me your offer at lohia@bharat.aux.apple.com
-Raj
| 6misc.forsale |
Re: Options that would be great to have...
In a previous article, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) says:
A list of options that would be useful. They can be existing
options on a car, or things you'd like to have...
1) Tripmeter, great little gadget. Lets you keep rough track of>
mileage, makes a good second guesser for your gas gauge...
2) Full size spare
3) Built in mountings and power systems for radar detectors.
4) a fitting that allows you to generate household current with
the engine running, and plug ins in the trunk, engine compartment
and cabin.
Feel free to add on...
5) Power windows
--
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
| 7rec.autos |
Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
In article <1993Apr16.091938.6821@hasler.ascom.ch>, kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) writes:
>
>In article <C5H7qz.KyA@boi.hp.com>, wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:
>|> Brian LaRose (larose@austin.cs.utk.edu) wrote:
>|>
>|> : I never saw the guy. The police said they thought the motive was to
>|> : hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US,
>|> : and take the truck.
>|> :
>|> : PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS. AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!!
>|>
>|> Sad. This sort of thing is on the rise across the country. South Florida
>|> is getting a lot of national TV coverage on the subject where vacationers
>|> are being attacked (and some killed) in schemes similar to this.
>
>Make that worldwide coverage. I know numerous people who were planning
>holidays to the Florida, and have now chosen another (non-US)
>destination. You expect this sort of thing, perhaps, in third world
>countries - but not the US!
>In response to this and other articles that have been written on this
subject, I would like to say that it is not just a US problem. In southern
Ontario last summer there were several instances along the 401 where people
(mainly truckers) were shot at from overpasses. There are many sick people
out there and it makes you wonder what the worlds coming to.
>kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
| 7rec.autos |
Re: FAQ essay on homosexuality
Before you finalize your file in the FAQs (or after), you might want to
correct the typo in the following:
> Kinsey (see below) is the source
> of the figure 10 percent. He defines sexuality by behavior, not by
> orientation, and ranked all persons on a scale from Zero (completely
> heterosexual) to 6 (completely heterosexual).
It seems one or the other end of the rating scale should be identified with
"homosexual".
As a personal note, I guess I differ with you on the question of work
entering human life as a result of sin.
> Note that in the
> creation story work enters human life as a result of sin.
Before the fall (Gen 2:15) "And the LORD God took the man, and put him into
the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it." which I would call "work".
For me, the difference introduced by sin is the painful aspects of work added
at the fall (I take the cursing of the ground in vs.17-19 to apply to the
work for sustenance). In a way, some view "work" as a blessing (Ecclesiastes
is a fun book! - for melancholies).
I hope I do not sound caustic, maybe you can enlighten me further.
Well, this is certainly a delicate subject, and I guess you accomplished what
you state as your purpose "It summarizes arguments for allowing Christian
homosexuality", not for me the most noble goal, but you are writing a FAQ.
I wonder if you might temporize the apparent "sentence" of the specific
homosexual you propose (arguably tenuously define).
> The danger in advising Christians to
> depend upon such a change is clear: When "conversion" doesn't happen,
> which is almost always, the people are often left in despair, feeling
> excluded from a Church that has nothing more to say but a requirement
> of life-long celibacy.
Perhaps that would be true of "celibacy from homosexual relations", or
refrainng from their choice relationships, but that does not forbid
heterosexual. Could they not have/enjoy heterosexual relations "for what it
was worth"?
[This depends upon the person. In some cases I think the answer is
no. Even with those who could, consider what you're asking. I assume
we're talking about marriage -- I certainly would not want to suggest
sex outside that. You're talking about a permanent commitment to a
kind of sexual relationship that they aren't really sure they can live
with. There may be people for whom this is a possible solution, but I
wonder whether it's entirely fair to the other partner. I have a
cousin who was a victim of exactly this situation. We found out later
(after her death) that her husband had had problems with his sexual
identity. His family (conservative Christians) knew it, and pushed
him into getting married. He continued having problems, and they were
near divorce. She died in an accident whose circumstances some of the
relatives consider odd. He has since had a sex change operation, and
has been moving around from state to state without being able to hold
a job, keeping their children in a kind of home life both sets of
grandparents consider irresponsible. I hope you can understand why I
am not enthusiastic about pushing homosexuals into marriage. I really
liked my cousin. This is sort of an emotional issue for me. Again,
it may be possible for some, but this is the sort of situation that
needs to be dealt with pastorally and not as a matter of fixed
ideology. --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Re: "Cruel" (was Re: <Political Atheists?)
In article <1r5emjINNmk@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
|> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:
|>
|> >But, this just shows then that painful execution is not considered
|> >"cruel" and unusual punishment. This shows that "cruel" as used in the
|> >constitution does NOT refer to whether or not the punishment causes physical
|> >pain.
|> >Rather, it must be a different meaning.
|>
|> I don't think so. Although some forms of execution are painful (the electric
|> chair looks particularly so), I think the pain is relatively short-lived.
|> Drawing and quartering, on the other hand, looks very painful, and the
|> victim wouldn't die right away (he'd bleed to death, I'd imagine).
So what do we have now, an integral over pain X time?
I get to lash you with a wet noodle for ever, but I only get to
cut you up with a power saw if I'm quick about it?
jon.
| 0alt.atheism |
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Re: Help!!!(With Buick Regal)
In article <C5wyKp.L98@ulowell.ulowell.edu> gvahe@cs.ulowell.edu (Gerry Vahe) writes:
>
>
>HHHEEELLLPPP!!!!
>
>---I'm Going crazy. I have a 1981 buick regal with over 100,000 miles on it.
>
>Just recently, when I go Over a bump of any size, The rear drivers's side of th
>
>e car feels like there is something hitting the floor board. The noise is ampli
>
>fied when I am going around a corner when there is less weight above the tire wh
>
>en I hit a bump.
>
>I had the whole brake drum off today, checked under the car to see if th
>
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>
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>
>
>
>---Any Ideas? Could it bee a shock absorber? Is there any way I can tell?
>
>Anything will help and be greatly appreciated
>-gerry
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>
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| 7rec.autos |
Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis
In article <1483500352@igc.apc.org>, Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>
>Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis
>
>
>To: shaig@Think.COM
>
>Subject: Ten questions to Israelis
>
>Dear Shai,
>
>Your answers to my questions are unsatisfactory.
So why don't ypu sue him.
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| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Re: Israel: An Apartheid state.
In article <1993May10.041759.10164@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
>>
>>I believe that Zionism, as it is, is a form of racism. By "as it is" I mean
>>not the fact that is nacionalism, but the specific ideas it supports, the
>>form it defines what a Jew is and the way it wants to accomplish its goals.
>>It has nothing to do with hypocrisy.
>
>It has everything to do with hypocrisy. We've dealt with with your
>arguments about history before on this net: suffice it to say you
>haven't succeeded in convincing anyone - probably because of their lack
>of basis.
I do not want to convince anyone. This is just USENET, not the real
world. I just read the opinions others have about a subject, and sometimes
I present my opinion. I think that this net is only useful to exchange
ideas. I never wanted nor I want now to convince anyone of anything.
>Now if you want to deal with what certain people say, that
>is fine. But by condemning the movement - which is NOTHING more than
>Jewish nationalism and NEVER HAS BEEN anything more than that - you are
>saying - quite literally - that it is racist to think that Jews - your
>own people, it should be added - have the right to a state in their
>homeland, the same right every other nation has. If you don't agree
>with that, I suggest you read a dictionary. Because your interpretation
>is just plain inconsistent with that dictionary definition as well as
>modern history.
First, and I repeat it, I never said that the idea of Jews having the
right to have a State is racist.
Zionism, as a movement, is more than just that idea. I think that Zionism
in the way it defines who is a Jew, for example, is racist-like.
In the same way I believe that Irish have a right to nationalism but I do
not support the bombing and killing of the IRA, I believe that Jews have
a right to nationalism but I do not support Zionism as it is right now.
>
>
>Here's where you're wrong. Here's also where you should know you're
>wrong. Zionism is in no way monolithic. Never has been. Approaches to
>Zionism are as widespread as the ideologies of Hashomer Hatzair and Meir
>Kahane. Some of those approaches *ARE* racist - Kahane, for one. But
>every approach to Zionism defines those goals differently and also
>defines a different approach to those goals. The single commonality is
>the belief that Jews, like every other nation on Earth, deserve their
>own homeland. PERIOD.
That is what makes the basis for Zionist movements. However, I am not
considering just that, but the rest of it.
>
>> As long as Zionism considers, for
>>example, who is a Jew in a Jewish State based on religion, I will consider
>>Zionism a form of Racism.
>
>As you well know, over 80% of Israeli Jews are secular - in other words
>they are in no way religious, and most probably don't even believe in G-d.
Which makes an interesting point. People living in a Jewish State have
shown that Jewish culture includes in it Jewish religion but they are
not the same. So, the Jewish people living in the Jewish State have shown
us that there are some problems in a State where 80% of the people is secular
but Judaism is define according to religious standards, or where marriage
is a religious stage, or where the Law of Return defines a Jew according to
a religious standard.
Did those Israelis who do not believe in god and will never do become
non-Jews? Why should they still define then a Jew based on what is a
religious definition?
>>Maybe, I would consider hypocrisy to support Zionism and disregard the
>>right to self-determination of the Palestinian people and their struggle to
>>reach it.
>
>If you'd wanted to say that in the first place, you should have said it
>then. I took you at your word. In other words, I took your words to
>have their normal, dictionary definition. It is now quite obvious that
>you use a different dictionary than the rest of the English-speaking
>world, and that you base your analysis on misconceptions.
According to Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, Merriam-Webster Inc,
Publishers, Springfield, Massachusetts, U.S.A., 1986, page 593,
hy-poc-ri-sy: A feigning to be what one is nnot or to believe one does not.
So, saying that one believes in Zionism as a simple matter of people
having the right to nationalism, but disregarding the right of the Palestinian
people to do the same, according to this dictionary, is hypocrisy.
>>If you are really interested on what I think, instead of directly coming with
>>labels, like "hypocrat", send me a mail to aap@wam.umd.edu, and we can
>>exchange ideas.
>
>How about learning what your words mean for once? I stand by what I've
>said.
I know what my words mean. I do stand by what I said I believe: Zionism is
a form of racism. Of course, I tend to talk about things as they are and
not as they are defined in a broad sense.
> Eric S. Perlman <perlman@qso.colorado.edu>
> Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
AAP
| 17talk.politics.mideast |
Re: Rumours about 3DO ???
In article <1993Apr15.164940.11632@mercury.unt.edu> mcmains@unt.edu (Sean McMains) writes:
>
>Wow! A 68070! I'd be very interested to get my hands on one of these,
>especially considering the fact that Motorola has not yet released the
>68060, which is supposedly the next in the 680x0 lineup. 8-D
A 68070 is just a 68010 with a built in MMU. I don't even think that Moto.
manufactures them.
- Ian Romanick
Dancing Fool of Epsilon
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Re: Jewish Baseball Players?
In article <1qkkodINN5f5@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) writes:
>In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes:
>>Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and
>>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish
>>baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up
>>with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and
>>maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know
>>it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but
>>humor us. Thanks for your help.
>
>Hank Greenberg would have to be the most famous, because his Jewish
>faith actually affected his play. (missing late season or was it world
>series games because of Yom Kippur)
The other Jewish HOF'er is Rod Carew (who converted).
Lowenstein is Jewish, as well as Montana's only representative to the
major leagues.
Undeserving Cy Young award winner Steve Stone is Jewish. Between Stone,
Koufax, Ken Holtzman (? might have the wrong pitcher, I'm thinking of the
one who threw a no-hitter in both the AL and NL), and Big Ed Reulbach,
that's quite a starting rotation. Moe Berg can catch. Harry Steinfeldt,
the 3b in the Tinkers-Evers-Chance infield.
Is Stanky Jewish? Or is that just a "Dave Cohen" kinda misinterpretation?
Whatever, doesn't look like he stuck around the majors too long.
--
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| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Re: CD300 & 300i
In article <Afi9sHS00VohMrYlEe@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Donpaul C. Stephens"
<deathbird+@CMU.EDU> wrote:
>
> What is the difference?
> I want a double-spin CD-ROM drive by May
>
> looking into NEC and Apple, doublespins only
> what is the best?
Nec Toshiba and Sony (Apple) nearly deliver the same speed.
As apples prices are very low (compared to there RAM SIMMS)
You should buy what is inexpencive. But think of Driver revisions.
It is easier to get driver kits from Apple than from every other
manufacturer
Christian Bauer
bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu?
Previously I wrote:
>Yeah, the Phillies played over their heads almost the whole year,
>but it all caught up to them in one 10-game streak. I *am* as old as
>1964 (man!) and I was a big Phillies fan at the time (age 13).
>September '64 is still a painful thing to remember. But I can tell you
>that the Phillies never led the league by 15 that year. Going by memory
>alone, I believe their biggest lead was 7 1/2 games, and they were
>6 1/2 ahead when the famous 10-game losing streak began, a streak
>during which it seemed that they found just about every way to lose
>known to man. Anyway, I think they rebounded just before the end and
>won their last couple games and were still in the thing until the
>final day, but finished tied with the Giants one game out. And didn't
>the Dodgers or somebody else finish two games back? That has to be
>one of the closest last minute scrambles ever.
OK, you guys stirred up my childhood memories, so I went and did
some research on the final month or so of the 1964 season. It turns
out that my recollections were pretty darn accurate, at least as
far as the Phillies record goes. On September 1 1964 this was the
top of the N.L. standings:
W L GB
Philadelphia 79 51 -
Cincinnati 74 57 5 1/2
St. Louis 72 59 7 1/2
San Francisco 73 60 7 1/2
This is a game-by-game description of the remainder of the Phillies'
season:
Date Score Opponent Lead Pitcher (starting and winner/loser)
9/1 4-3 Houston 5 1/2 Bunning (15-4)
9/2 2-1 Houston 5 1/2 Short (15-7)
9/3 0-6 Houston 5 1/2 Bennett (9-12)
9/4 5-3 San Francisco 6 1/2 Mahaffey; Baldschun (6-5)
9/5 ??Win San Francisco 6 1/2 Bunning (16-4)
9/6 3-4 San Francisco 5 1/2 Short; Baldschun (6-6)
9/7 5-1 Los Angeles Bennett (10-12)
1-3 Los Angeles 6 1/2 Wise (5-3)
9/8 2-3 Los Angeles 6 Mahaffey (12-7)
9/9 5-10/11 St. Louis 5 Bunning; Baldschun (6-7)
(Cardinals take over 2nd place from Cincinnati)
9/10 5-1 St. Louis 6 Short (16-7)
9/11 1-0 San Francisco 6 Bennett (11-12)
9/12 1-9 San Francisco 6 Mahaffey (12-8)
(Giants move into a tie for 2nd with St. Louis)
9/13 4-1/10 San Francisco 6 Bunning (17-4)
(Cardinals back in sole possesion of 2nd place)
9/14 4-1 Houston 6 1/2 Short (17-7)
9/15 1-0 Houston 6 Bennett (12-12)
9/16 5-6 Houston 6 Bunning (17-5)
9/17 4-3 Los Angeles 6 1/2 Wise; Schantz (2-4)
9/18 3-4 Los Angeles 6 Short; Baldschun (6-8)
9/19 3-4/16 Los Angeles 5 1/2 Bennett; Baldschun (6-9)
9/20 3-2 Los Angeles 6 1/2 Bunning (18-5)
(Reds move back into tie for 2nd with Cardinals)
Well so far so good for the Phillies. But now it all falls apart ...
9/21 0-1 Cincinnati 5 1/2 Mahaffey (12-9)
(Reds take sole possesion of 2nd place)
9/22 2-9 Cincinnati 4 1/2 Short (17-8)
9/23 4-6 Cincinnati 3 1/2 Bennett (12-13)
9/24 3-5 Milwaukee 3 Bunning (18-6)
9/25 5-7/12 Milwaukee 1 1/2 Short; Boozer (3-4)
(Cards now 2 1/2 back in 3rd, Giants 3 1/2 in 4th)
9/26 4-6 Milwaukee 1/2 Mahaffey; Schantz (2-5)
9/27 8-14 Milwaukee -1 Bunning (18-7)
(Phils lose 7 1/2 games in 7 days; Reds take over 1st,
Cardinals 1 1/2 back in 3rd)
9/28 1-5 St. Louis -1 1/2 Short(17-9)
(Cardinals take over 2nd place, Phils drop to 3rd)
9/29 2-4 St. Louis -1 1/2 Bennett (12-14)
(Reds and Cardinals now tied for 1st)
9/30 5-8 St. Louis -2 1/2 Bunning (18-8)
(Cardinals take 1/2 game lead over Reds)
10/1 4-3 Cincinnati -1 1/2 Short; Roebuck (5-3)
(Phillies halt 10-game losing streak; Cards lead Reds by 1/2 game)
10/2 Did not play; Cards lose to Mets, Reds tied for 1st, Phils 1 game back
10/3 10-0 Cincinnati -1 Bunning (19-8)
(Cards beat Mets, take first by 1 from Reds and Phillies)
Whew! what a finish! And the final standings were:
W L GB
St. Louis 93 69 -
Philadelphia 92 70 1
Cincinnati 92 70 1
San Francisco 90 72 3
Now it doesn't appear to me that Phillies pitchers Bunning and Short
were really overused, at least by the four-man rotation standard of
the day, until well along into the 10-game losing streak, at which
time Mauch was probably desperate for a win at any cost because the
Phillies substantial lead had evaporated. The way they were used at
that time may have made the problem worse, although Bunning had one
of his sharpest games of the year in the final day 10-0 shutout of
the Reds that cost the Reds a share of the pennant. Bunning pitched
a complete game six-hitter, striking out five and walking one. It
would be inetersting to see, though, how the total innings for the
year for Bunning and Short stacks up against the rest of the league.
Also notice that the Phillies played every day from at least September 1
through October 1; while they didn't play substantially more games than
the other teams, the other teams each had a couple days off during that
stretch.
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Re: Encyclopedia/Directory of Widgets?
I forot to mention the free widget foundation which maintains a freely
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Re: Rawlins debunks creationism
In article <1993Apr15.223844.16453@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
|> We are talking about origins, not merely science. Science cannot
|> explain origins. For a person to exclude anything but science from
|> the issue of origins is to say that there is no higher truth
|> than science.
|> This is a false premise.
In what manner? If you argue that the universe was created with a higher
`truth` than science (btw I would love to see you define `truth` in this
arguement) then you must state how you know this and what it is. To subbornly
state that there is a "higher truth" and that it isyour god, I would ask you to prove it.
This, obviously, you cannot do. Besides, if I assume for the moment that
there is a 'higher truth' then how can you prove it is your god and not
another religion's? What makes you so arrogant to push forward your idea
of creation over many peoples' study of the laws of nature, ie science?
Science is the study of nature. It is open-minded: if the theory doesn't fit the
facts then trash the theory and try to construct one which does. It is *flexible*!
Your definition of science presupposes that science ignores this god
character altogether. If this is so, then it is only because no evidence
can be found of him.
|> By the way, I enjoy science.
So do I. Fortunately I am not mentally shackled into constructing my
scientific conclusions by placing god, Jesus and the holy ghost into every
paragraph in a sycophantic manner.
|> It is truly a wonder observing God's creation. Macroevolution is
|> a mixture of 15 percent science and 85 percent religion [guaranteed
|> within three percent error :) ]
|>
Indeed it is a wonder observing the random effects of creation. This, of
course, assumes a definition of aethetics which you don't forward!
As to "Macroevolution": please give references and more information. From
where do you get your figures?
Adda.
|> --
|> ==========================================================
|> // Bill Rawlins <wpr@atlanta.dg.com> //
|> // "I speak for myself only" //
|> ==========================================================
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Re: WHAT car is this!?
In article 2550@ericsson.se, etxmst@sta.ericsson.se (Markus Strobl 98121) writes:
>In article 1r3n32INNk9p@ctron-news.ctron.com, smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr21.032905.29286@reed.edu>, rseymour@reed.edu (Robert Seymour) writes:
>>>In article <1993Apr20.174246.14375@wam.umd.edu> lerxst@wam.umd.edu (where's my thing) writes:
>>>> It was called a Bricklin.
>>
>>>Bricklins were manufactured in the 70s with engines from Ford.
>>
>>Waitaminnit, didn't the Bricklin have an Pugeot six-cylinder? Or am I
>>confusing it with the DeLorean? I was sure the DeLorean had a v8.
>>
>
>The DeLorean had the yucky PRV V6 engine. A joint-venture between
>Peugout (note spelling), Renault and Volvo. PRV. This engine is a *MIGHTY BORING*
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Markus
Markus, what is that we are noting about the spelling? That you aren't good at it? :^)
That Peugeot is OUT of N. America? What does this mean?
Roland, An intrigued Peugeot admirer
| 7rec.autos |
Re: The doctrine of Original Sin
>In article <May.9.05.40.15.1993.27475@athos.rutgers.edu>, Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com >(Geno ) writes:
>> [4) "Nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]" (Rev. 21.27). Therefore,
>> babies are born in such a state that should they die, they are cuf off
>> from God and put in hell, which is exactly the doctrine of St. Augustine
>> and St. Thomas.
...
>-jeff adams-
Regarding the first paragraph, I would say that I didn't write it. I
don't believe that unbaptized babies are put in Hell. I don't even
believe in Hell. At least, I don't believe in a fiery place where
there will be "gnashing of teeth".
geno
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Re: NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, Mar 29
In article <1ppsceINNdsr@aludra.usc.edu> sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child) writes:
>
>Jack, I happen to be Jewish and have some serious problems with the whole
>situation in Israel. But your exaggerations and commentary certainly don't help
>to support your viewpoint. Here, for example, you are conflating two separate
>stories, and exaggerating both of them.
If I have confused two different stories, it was an honest mistake but I do
not see why it becomes an exageration of either. They both took place and
are both equally disgusting behavior for any country, let alone one that
brags constantly about democracy.
If more of YOU PEOPLE would speak out instead of just hiding your disgust
in the closet, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Having said, you have my heartfelt thanks and admiration for even saying
what you have said already. I suspect, you will be getting more hate
mail than support.
Thanks,
js
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Re: Surgery for Hal Morris
And then cjkuo@symantec.com (Jimmy Kuo) quoth:
>Does it strike anyone else how silly it is to impose a 3 game suspension on
>Morris?
>
>"Let's see... I expect to be back June 15th. How many games do we play
>before June 15th? Take me off the DL 3 games before June 15th."
>
>It would be a lot more meaningful if the suspension went into effect some
>number of games after he came back.
Well, either way, the Reds have to play a man down for 3 days.
--
Jason Lee jplee@oboe.calpoly.edu jlee@cash.busfac.calpoly.edu Giants
e ^ i*pi + 1 = 0 The most beautiful equation in mathematics. Magic
For all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these: Number:
"It might have been." John Greenleaf Whittier 153
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Re: Single Launch Space Station
In article <C69qA6.J4w.1@cs.cmu.edu>, 0004244402@mcimail.com (Karl Dishaw)
wrote:
>
> Andy Cohen <Cohen@ssdgwy.mdc.com> writes:
> >the Single Launch Core Station concept. A Shuttle external tank and solid
> >rocket boosters would be used to launch the station into orbit. Shuttle
> >main engines would be mounted to the tail of the station module for launch
> >and jettisoned after ET separation.
>
> Why jettison the SSMEs? Why not hold on to them and have a shuttle
> bring them down to use as spares?
Good question....I asked that myself....However, since this option is as
expensive as the Freedom derivative, the issue will likely be moot.
| 14sci.space |
How To Escrow, If Escrowing Were OK
There is a description of something called a "fair crypto system" in the
May 1993 issue of BYTE, p. 134, attributed to MIT professor Silvio Micali.
The way it works is as follows:
You generate your private key S, and break it up into pieces s1, s2, s3,
s4, and s5, such that (s1 + s2 + ... + s5) mod p = S.
You give each piece s1, s2, etc. to a different escrow agency.
The agencies each compute g^sn mod p, and forward the result to the public
key telephone book keeper.
The public key telephone book keeper multiplies all the g^sn mod p, reduces
the result to mod p, and this will be the user's public key.
Now, if there were several hundered recognized escrow agencies, and the user
could give a piece of the key to each of the ones he trusted, the result would
be something of an improvement over the proposed Clipper system.
I still don't think key escrow is a good idea, for both philosophical and
security reasons, but I do offer this suggestion simply to determine whether
escrow advocates are at all interested in considering alternatives in good
faith, or whether the goal is to insure the use of only two agencies selected
for spinelessness in the face of official requests.
| 11sci.crypt |
Re: Freemasonry and the Southern Baptist Convention
In article <1qv82l$oj2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes:
>
>
> With the Southern Baptist Convention convening this June to consider
>the charges that Freemasonry is incompatible with christianity, I thought
>the following quotes by Mr. James Holly, the Anti-Masonic Flag Carrier,
>would amuse you all...
>
>
> The following passages are exact quotes from "The Southern
>Baptist Convention and Freemasonry" by James L. Holly, M.D., President
>of Mission and Ministry To Men, Inc., 550 N 10th St., Beaumont, TX
>77706.
>
<much drivel deleted>
> "Jesus Christ never commanded toleration as a motive for His
>disciples, and toleration is the antithesis of the Christian message."
>Page 30.
>
> "The central dynamic of the Freemason drive for world unity
>through fraternity, liberty and equality is toleration. This is seen
>in the writings of the 'great' writers of Freemasonry". Page 31.
<more drivel deleted>
> I hope you all had a good laugh! I know *I* did! <g>,
>
>
>Tony
A Laugh? Tony, this religeous bigot scares the shit out of me, and that
any one bothers to listen to him causes me to have grave doubts about the
future of just about anything. Shades of the Branch Davidians, Jim Jones,
and Charlie Manson.
--Uncle Wolf
--Member Highland Lodge 748 F&AM (Grand Lodge of California)
--Babtized a Southern Babtist
--And one who has beliefs beyond the teachings of either.
>
>
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Photo shop scanner?
I have a Macc IIci and a Color scanner.
I scanned a picture at 600 dpi. When I try to print
it on my HP500 color printer, after 10 minutes of
making noise, the mac hangs. I would need to reboot it.
What does this mean? Do I need to buy more memory? I have
5.0 MB now. I also have about 50 MB of disk free, and the
scanned picture is about 12 MB.
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Re: The arrogance of Christians
In a previous article, phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au () says:
>In article <Apr.13.00.08.07.1993.28379@athos.rutgers.edu>, aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) writes:
>> To demand scintific or rational proof of God's existence, is to deny
>> God's existence, since neither science, nor reason, can, in their very
>> nature, prove anything.
>
>Are you asking us to believe blindly? You are trying to deny that part of
>us that makes us ask the question "Does God exist?" i.e. self-awareness and
>reason. If we do not use our ability to reason we become as ignorant
>as the other animals on this earth. Does God want us to be like that?
>
I am asking you to believe in things not visible. I don't know if this is
believeing blindly or not. I'm not sure how blindness comes into it. I do
not deny reason, indeed I insist upon it, but reason only draws conclusions
from evidence. If you decide in advance that your reason will act only on
the evidence of the five physical senses, then you cut reason off from any
possibility of reaching a conclusion outside the physical sphere (beyond the
rather provocative, if inconclusive, conclusion that the physical sphere
is not self explanatory).
Christians claim that they have received a different kind of evidence,
which they call faith, and which is a gift of God. That is, this evidence
is the evidence of a thing which chooses to reveal or hide itself. The
evidence of the senses cannot tell you is such a ting exists. Reasoning
on the evidence of the senses won't help either. But Christians do reason
of the evidence of faith, and do claim that this evidence is wholly
consistent with the evidence of the other senses, and indeed, that the
evidence of these other senses is part of God's revelation of himself
to us.
It is not necessarilly the case however that knowledge of a God must come
through this route. There may be other senses than the physical ones
providing evidence of non-physical realities. (There may, of course, be
physical realities of a type for which we have no corresponding senses, for
all we know.) These senses, if they exist, may provide valid evidence for
reason to work on. And, as with all senses, these senses may be impaired
in some people, that is, they may be spiritually blind. In this sense,
belief in God becomes an act of sight, and it is disbelief which is blind.
>You are right that science and reason cannot PROVE anything. However, if
>we do not use them we can only then believe on FAITH alone. And since
>we can only use faith, why is one picture of "God" (e.g. Hinduism) any less
>valid than another (e.g. Christianity)?
>
Faith, as I have said, is not opposed to reason, it is simply a new source
of evidence on which reason may operate. It is clear that human beings
have many systems for explaining the evidence of the physical senses, and
similarly there are many systems for explaining the evidence provided by
faith. Religious believers in general, and Christians in particular, use
reason to help sift through the evidence to come to a clearer understanding
of the evidence provided by faith. Science claims, with good reason, to be
the most valid system for explaining the physical universe, and Christianity
claims, also with good reason, to be the most valid system, possessed of the
best evidence, for explaining Gods revelations of himself to man.
If you doubt that Christians use reason, read this newsgroup for a while
and you will see rational debate aplenty.
--
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Mark Baker | "The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but
aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts." -- C. S. Lewis
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| 15soc.religion.christian |
3D2 files - what are they?
I was chaining around in the anonymous ftp world looking for 3D Studio
meshes and other interesting graphical stuff for the program, and found
a few files with the extension 3D2. My 3DS v2.01 doesn't know this type
of file, so what are they?
And of course, the perennial... Where are some meshes, fli files, etc.
out there? I would have thought that someone would have collected a few
and put them somewhere, but alas I am without this knowledge.
mucho appreciato
douginoz.
| 1comp.graphics |
Misc. radio and related equipment
Lots of misc and radio related items for sale!
Still trying to lighten my load for moving!
Motorola VHF pager, digital, no voice or readout $15
2 Capacitor checkers
HP 200CD audio oscillator 5 hz to 600 Khz.
1200 feet + brand new 1/2" hardline for tv
with new connectors, this is in 5 pieces
lots of Gain mobile antennas for VHF and UHF
UHF *amp*, input on 75 Mhz in milliwatts and
output on 450 Mhz, 30 watts out. with service
manual, this came out of a Motorola mobilephone.
make reasonable offer. looking for $40 + shipping
or trade for?
RCA tac 300 UHF dash mount 2channel w/service
manual, great condition, currently on GMRS
frequency 462.725 repeater and simplex with
PL of 151.4 hz
$100
Nobratron QR 75-2 power supply by Sorensen, w/service
manual, this is a 2 amp variable power supply, I
have used it at 80 vdc. weight is 45lbs $45.
Motorola tone remote model #1926A, works great,
with monitor button, $75 This unit is used
to remote a base station with only two wires.
Also have tone remote board from Mitrek Super
consolette, make offer, could be used with
above remote! model #TRN-6744A w/schmetics
Both for $100.
Motorola Handhelds, MH-10 (4) w/charger, speaker
mic, leather case, currently on 34.830, w/dpl
DPL decks from Motorola moxy radios
very reasonable esp. if you take all, anyone
offer $10 each for all or trade for?
PL reeds, I have some (30 or so I think)
also dpl code plugs
e-mail if you need some or I will sell all
cheep.
Transmit tubes for GE radios, new in box.
5 DB gain UHF mobile antennas by motorola,
used, sold new for $90, make reasonable offer.
sell 3 for $45 + shipping
Motorcycle control head and cable with frequency
selector and speaker all in one, 4 channel, I
believe this came from a Micom.
Asking $20 + shipping
channel elements for motorola micor, mitrek, motrac
3 sets of vhf micor,
uhf micor, low band motrac, more
Mobile microphones for GE, Motorola, and RCA
reasonable offer.
Motorola DC remote adaptor model #TLN-1127apr
$75
I still have a few business band service manuals
esp. GE and Motorola, e-mail for details.
Phone restrict toll boxes (2) use quarters
DTMF mobile mic
GE Master Pro UHF mobile, not working, with accessories,
this is a trunk mount radio. $20 + shipping
6' GE base cabinet w/19" rack
Duplexer cabinet from vhf duplexers
19" rack base cabinet, Johnson
HD satellite dish jack or arm
2 Spools multi-conductor wire, w/shield, thickness is approx 1/2"
GE Master pro mobile control heads and cables
Eagle model #2 level sensor, tells how full a container is
The above prices do not include shipping!
Some of the above items are pickup only because of
size or weight, locations is Eastern Ohio.
if interested e-mail me or you can call
Jim Sims sr. N4JDP (614) 439-2177 before 9 PM Eastern
re_sims@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
| 6misc.forsale |
Space Colony Size Preferences Summary
Some time ago I sent the following message:
Every once in a while I design an orbital space colony. I'm gearing up to
do another one. I'd some info from you. If you were to move
onto a space colony to live permanently, how big would the colony have
to be for you to view a permanent move as desirable? Specifically,
How many people do you want to share the colony with?
What physical dimensions does the living are need to have?
Assume 1g living (the colony will rotate). Assume that you can leave
from time to time for vacations and business trips. If you're young
enough, assume that you'll raise your children there.
I didn't get a lot of responses, and they were all over the block.
Thanx muchly to all those who responded, it is good food for thought.
Here's the (edited) responses I got:
How many people do you want to share the colony with?
100
What physical dimensions does the living are need to have?
Cylinder 200m diameter x 1 km long
Rui Sousa
ruca@saber-si.pt
=============================================================================
> How many people do you want to share the colony with?
100,000 - 250,000
> What physical dimensions does the living are need to have?
100 square kms surface, divided into city, towns, villages and
countryside. Must have lakes, rivers amd mountains.
=============================================================================
> How many
1000. 1000 people really isn't that large a number;
everyone will know everyone else within the space of a year, and will probably
be sick of everyone else within another year.
>What physical dimensions does the living are need to have?
Hm. I am not all that great at figuring it out. But I would maximize the
percentage of colony-space that is accessible to humans. Esecially if there
were to be children, since they will figure out how to go everywhere anyways.
And everyone, especially me, likes to "go exploring"...I would want to be able
to go for a walk and see something different each time...
=============================================================================
For population, I think I would want a substantial town -- big enough
to have strangers in it. This helps get away from the small-town
"everybody knows everything" syndrome, which some people like but
I don't. Call it several thousand people.
For physical dimensions, a somewhat similar criterion: big enough
to contain surprises, at least until you spent considerable time
getting to know it. As a more specific rule of thumb, big enough
for there to be places at least an hour away on foot. Call that
5km, which means a 10km circumference if we're talking a sphere.
Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology
henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
=============================================================================
My desires, for permanent move to a space colony, assuming easy communication
and travel:
Size: About a small-town size, say 9 sq. km. 'Course, bigger is better :-)
Population: about 100/sq km or less. So, ~1000 for 9sqkm. Less is
better for elbow room, more for interest and sanity, so say max 3000, min 300.
-Tommy Mac
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18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu | 336-9591 (hm)\\ Zonker Harris in 1996!
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| 14sci.space |
Re: Unity
In article <Apr.8.00.59.50.1993.28560@athos.rutgers.edu> Maarten.van.Loon@cwi.nl (Maarten van Loon) writes:
>Hello fellow-netters and fellow christians,
>about the subject of unity between christians and christian churches.
>to a bible study group. Alltough I do have a personal opinion on this
>issue, I thought it would be nice to hear opinions of fellow christian
>brothers and sisters from different countries and in different situations.
>
>My background: member of a (orthodox) Reformed Church. Let us say a little
The ONLY unity I've found which is true is when all parties involved are
disciples. I came out of a church in which even the different
congregations were always competing and arguing about which one was
better and who had the better messages (while none of them put anything
into practice from those messages). Since becoming a disciple, I've
found that when I travel to another church in the same movement, they
are just as accepting there as any other. We had a retreat back in
January when some of the congregation from Louisville, KY came up (this
retreat was for college students) and it was as though I had known even
the people from Louisville for years (and I had only become a disciple
the previous April and had never been to the church in Kentucky). One
of the keys to unity is unselfish love and self-sacrifice. That is only
one area in which disciples stand out from "Christians". Also, another
part of unity is a common depth of conviction. I've also been a part of
some "Christian" campus fellowships who were focused on unity between
churches and saw that those churches had one thing involved: a lack of
conviction about everything they believed. That was why they could be
unified, they didn't care about the truth but delighted in getting along
together.
>The problem here in The Netherlands is that there are two other churches
>(denominations) with the same characteristics. Both have the same
>confessions; there are only some differences with respect to - for
>example - the matter of appropriation of salvation and how to "use"
>our creeds. In essence a lot of people of these three churches have to
>same faith and feel that they should become one church. But how, that is
>the question.
>
Creeds? What need is there of creeds when the Bible stands firmly
better?
>So, here is a first question:
>- can the congregation of Christ be separated by walls of different
> denominations? Or is this definitely an untolerable situation
> according to the Scriptures?
According to the Scriptures, splits and differences of opinion are going
to be there. As per a previous note, I mentioned that there are those
who teach falsely by many means. There are also differences of opinion
and belief. However, Scripture states:
In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your
meetings do more harm than good. In the first place, I hear that when
you come together as a church, there re divisions among you, and to some
extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be differences among you to
show which of you have God's approval (1 Corinthians 11:17-19).
How will God show his approval? By fruitfulness (see Acts 2:47), but
before that, there are these qualities:
devotion to the apostles teaching
fellowship
communion
filling with awe for God
all having everything in common.
glad and sincere hearts
praising God
enjoying the favor of the people
All these are mentioned in Acts 2:42-47. God also shows that those who
have these qualities are persecuted. Look at Stephen, "a man full of
faith and of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 6:5) who was later stoned (Acts
7:54-60).
>- can one say that only one of these three churches is the
> true church of Jesus Christ?
One can say that a church is the true church only if that church is
perfect not only in the congregation but worldwide as a movement. I
have yet to find that, but the closest one I've found is the Boston
Church of Christ movement, which constantly strives to have errors
pointed out and corrected. It is also the only one I've seen which is
totally sold out to God.
>
>A problem closely related to these question is:
>- can we cooperate with other Christians - from these two churches -
> before there is a unity? This question is especially important
> for those who think that only one church can be the "true one".
>
As for cooperation, that can always occur. Unity, on the other hand may
never occur. As for those who think about only one church being the
"true one", I remind them that Mark 9:38-41 states that there are
disciples who are not a part of the main group to begin with, but they
will not lose their reward. As with the Boston movement, I've heard
numerous times this exact same thing, that there are disciples out there
that are not a part of the Boston movement but that does not make them
any less disciples. Of course, few people admit that they've ever run
into someone who has the qualities of a disciple outside the movement.
I know I haven't.
>Maybe this last problem sounds a little strange to most of you.
>For your information: we have a lot of organizations here which
>are founded by people of one specific church and whose members
>are all members of that church. This has been considered as
>"correct" for years. Only a few years ago people started to
>discuss about this and now we are in the middle of this process.
>Some organizations are opening their doors for people from
>other churches etc.
>
I must warn that this sounds cliquey to me. A clique is a group which
runs around together to some extent exclusively. This causes problems
in fellowship and causes divisions. I would not say at all that this is
something "correct" for a church/group to do for any reason. In one of
the churches I attended, for example, there was an internal clique of
people who were on the 14 different groups/committees/organizational
heads of the congregation. They rarely talked to anyone else outside of
the committees and seldom were voted out of office without another
office being "opened up" so that they would have to step right back in.
Their degree of exclusion was such that when the new pastor came, he
nearly had to wipe out everything and start from scratch (I wish he
would've since they still have no clue about what it means to be a
disciple). Anyway, this rigidity in the clique is beginning to be
broken down, but is still there. So, I must warn against such division
within. There's enough division without.
>Thanks for your opinions in advance!
>
>Maarten
Joe Fisher
| 15soc.religion.christian |
RE: Blast them next time
> #DELETED BECAUSE IT SOUNDS TWISTED"
>With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed
>more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is
>the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look
>at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country
>of ours.
##flame thrower on##
Well I don't want my tax dollars going to that kind of philosophy.
maybe if the good folks you are talking about are people like you
than I might be inclined to accept it. What does the batf do anyway?
Why don't we have a bureau for militant, paranoid, freedom killers
like yourself. People like you are more dangerous than alcohol,
tobacco and firearms.
>With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with
>mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few
>women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn
>to death 51 days later.
Maybe we should just have nuked the whole city, I mean, what's a
100,000 good souls anyway?
Get real, you sound like a racist. I guess life isn't so precious
to you, do you realize that there were 24 children KILLED!!!
They will never get to fall in love, they won't see another sunrise,
no prom, no first date, no football, baseball no NOTHING. Why doesn't
some people think first before they let everyone know how narrow they
are.
"Flame thrower off"
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Re: .SCF files, help needed
tlc@cx5.com writes:
>Second problem: I can't find any graphics program that will open and display
>these files. I have a couple of image conversion programs, none mention .scf
>files.
RIX's files with the extension .sci and .scf are just a RAW file with
a 256 color palette.
The first 10 bytes is a kind of header, with the name RIX among 7bytes unknown stuff. The you have 768 bytes of palette info (3*256 for the colors RGB)
and then you have the picture in raw format.
If you dont know how to make a viewer of of this description you can get VPIC
it is able to read the files!
regards
Thomas
| 1comp.graphics |
Re: high speed rail is bad
In article <1993Apr13.210503.11099@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (THE SKY ALREADY FELL. NOW WHAT?) writes:
>I didn't see your post so I can't comment on it. My $.02 on high
>speed rail is, I like it. I like it alot. It would be too bad to
>see it tainted by corruption. that's all.
The speed limit on commuter tracks in the northeast is 120MPH. We
already have something that resembles high speed rail in this
country and it requires massive government subsidies. We don't need
another government boondoggle.
--
John F. Haugh II [ PGP 2.1 ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [ DoF #17 ] @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
Look up "Ponzi Scheme" in a good dictionary - it will have a picture of Joe
Liberal Handout right next to it. Stop federal spending. Cut the deficit.
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)
In article <lsu7q7INNia5@saltillo.cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes:
>-*----
>I agree with everything that Lee Lady wrote in her previous post in
>this thread.
Gee! Maybe I've misjudged you, Russell. Anyone who agrees with something
I say can't be all bad. ;-)
Seriously, I'm not sure whether I misjudged you or not, in one respect.
I still have a major problem, though, with your insistence that science
is mainly about avoiding mistakes. And I still disagree with your
contention that nobody who doesn't use methods deemed "scientific"
can possibly know what's true and what's not.
> [Deleted material which I agree with.]
>
>Back to Lee Lady:
>
>> These are not the rules according to many who post to sci.med and
>> sci.psychology. According to these posters "If it's not supported by
>> carefully designed controlled studies then it's not science."
>
>These posters are making the mistake that I have previously
>criticized of adhering to a methodological recipe. A "carefully ...
> ....
>Rules such as "support the hypothesis by a carefully designed and
>controlled study" are too narrow to apply to *all* investigation.
>I think that the requirements for particular reasoning to be
>convincing depends greatly on the kinds of mistakes that have
>occurred in past reasoning about the same kinds of things. (To
>reuse the previous example, we know that conclusions from
>uncontrolled observations of the treatment of chronic medical
>problems are notoriously problematic.)
Okay, so let's see if we agree on this: FIRST of all, there are degrees
of certainty. It might be appropriate, for instance, to demand carefully
controlled trials before we accept as absolute scientific truth (to the
extent that there is any such thing) the effectiveness of a certain
treatment. On the other hand, highly favorable clinical experience, even
if uncontrolled, can be adequate to justify a *preliminary* judgement that
a treatment is useful. This is often the best evidence we can hope for
from investigators who do not have institutional or corporate support.
In this case, it makes sense to tentatively treat claims as credible
but to reserve final judgement until establishment scientists who are
qualified and have the necessary resources can do more careful testing.
SECONDLY, it makes sense to be more tolerant in our standards of
evidence for a pronounced effect than for one that is marginal.
I come to this dispute about what science is not only as a
mathematician but as a veteran of many arguments in sci.psychology (and
occasionally in sci.med) about NLP (Neurolinguistic Programming). Much
of the work done to date by NLPers can be better categorized as
informal exploration than as careful scientific research. For years
now I have been trying to get scientific and clinical psychologists to
just take a look at it, to read a few of the books and watch some of
the videotapes (courtesy of your local university library). Not for
the purpose of making a definitive judgement, but simply to look at the
NLP methodology (especially the approach to eliciting information from
subjects) and look for ideas and hypotheses which might be of
scientific interest. And most especially to be aware of the
*questions* NLP suggests which might be worthy of scientific
investigation.
Over and over again the response I get in sci.pychology is "If this
hasn't been thoroughly validated by the accepted form of empirical
research then it can't be of any interest to us."
To me, the ultimate reducio ad absurdum of the extreme "There've got to
be controlled studies" position is an NLP technique called the Fast
Phobia/Trauma Cure.
Simple phobias (as opposed to agoraphobia) may not be the world's most
important psychological disorder, but the nice thing about them is that
it doesn't take a sophisticated instrument to diagnose them or tell
when someone is cured of one. The NLP phobia cure is a simple
visualization which requires less than 15 minutes. (NLPers claim that
it can also be used to neutralize a traumatic memory, and hence is
useful in treating Post-traumatic Stress Syndrome.) It is essentially
a variation on the classic desensitization process used by behavioral
therapists. A subject only needs to be taken through the technique once
(or, in the case of PTSD, once for each traumatic incident). The
process doesn't need to be repeated and the subject doesn't need to
practice it over again at home.
Now to me, it seems pretty easy to test the effectiveness of this cure.
(Especially if, as NLPers claim, the success rate is extremely high.)
Take someone with a fear of heights (as I used to have). Take them up
to a balcony on the 20th floor and observe their response. Spend 15
minutes to have them do the simple visualization. Send them back up to
the balcony and see if things have changed. Check back with them in a
few weeks to see if the cure seems to be lasting. (More long term
follow-up is certainly desirable, but from a scientific point of view
even a cure that lasts several weeks has significance. In any case,
there are many known cases where the cure has lasted years. To the best
of my knowledge, there is no known case where the cure has been reversed
after holding for a few weeks.) (My own cure, incidentally, was done
with a slightly different NLP technique, before I learned of the Fast
Phobia/Trauma Cure. Ten years later now, I enjoy living on the 17th
floor of my building and having a large balcony.)
The folks over in sci.psychology have a hundred and one excuses not to
make this simple test. They claim that only an elaborate outcome study
will be satisfactory --- a study of the sort that NLP practitioners,
many of whom make a barely marginal living from their practice, can ill
afford to do. (Most of them are also just plain not interested, because
the whole idea seems frivolous. And since they're not part of the
scientific establishment, they have no tangible rewards to gain
from scientific acceptance.)
The Fast Phobia/Trauma Cure is over ten years old now and the clinical
psychology establishment is still saying "We don't have any way of
knowing that it's effective."
These academics themselves have the resources to do a study as elaborate
as anyone could want, of course, but they say "Why should I prove your
theory?" and "The burden of proof is on the one making the claim."
One academic in sci.psychology said that it would be completely
unscientific for him to test the phobia cure since it hasn't
been described in a scientific journal. (It's described in a number of
books and I've posted articles in sci.psychology describing it in as much
detail as I'm capable of.)
Actually, at least one fairly careful academic study has been done (with
favorable results), but it's apparently not acceptable because it's a
doctoral dissertation and not published in a refereed journal.
To me, this sort of attitude does not advance science but hinders it.
This is the kind of thing I have in mind when I talk about "doctrinnaire"
attitudes about science.
Now maybe I have been unfair in imputing such attitudes to you, Russell.
If so, I apologize.
--
In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems
less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects.
lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu lady@uhunix.bitnet
| 13sci.med |
Re: Branch Athiests Cult (was Rawlins debunks creationism)
In article <1r9dd7INNqfk@ctron-news.ctron.com>, king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes:
|>
|> Let me try again.
|>
|> "The doubt that has infiltrated the previous, smugly confident certitude
|> of evolutionary biology has inflamed passions. There is lack of agreement
|> even within warring camps. Sometimes it seems as if there are as many
|> variations on each evolutionary theme as there are individual biologists."
|>
|> Niles Eldridge (yes he's a paleontologist); Natural History; "Evolutionary
|> Housecleaning"; Feb 1982; pg. 78.
It would probably help your education if you actually read some
of Eldridge's books, instead of quoting excerpts from some fact sheet.
Yes, Eldridge doesn't go along with gradualism 100%. However,
in Time Frames he relates how one can sometimes trace the gradual
development of a feature - in this case trilobite eye - over time
scales as long as millions of years.
jon.
| 19talk.religion.misc |
WANTED - BOOKS
I'mposting this for my emplyer who doesn't have net access, (but you can reply
here, and I'll get the message to him.
My boss is looking for two books on the group Mamas and Papas
Papa John by John Phillips
California Dreaming - (he told me who wrote it, but I don't remember)
He'd prefer hardcover, but paperback will do.
If you have these and are willing to sell, e-mail me here, and I'll pass the me
ssage along.
Thank you
Scott Wilson
| 6misc.forsale |
Re: Colorado Jumbo 250 for Gateway 2000?
pd@world.std.com (Peter F Davis) writes:
>I've just installed a new Colorado Jumbo 250 tape backup unit from
>Gateway, and I have a couple of complaints with it. I don't know how
>common or serious these problems may be. I would appreciate some
>feedback from others who have used this system. (BTW, This is on a
>4DX2-66V tower system.)
I have a similar configuration: Colorado 250mb on 66 DX/2 tower.
>The problems are:
> o Firstly, Gateway shipped me only 120 Mb tapes, even though the
> drive is a 250 Mb unit. When I called to complain, they only
> said: "That's all we carry," and "With compression, you can
> fit 250 Mb on one tape." Maybe so, but then why did I pay
> extra for the large capacity tape drive?
You got suckered in the same way I did. Silly me, believing
that the "250" logo on the front meant actual carrying capacity.
The people who do this sort of thing for a living call it
"marketing." Lawyers who prosecute it call it "fraud."
Perhaps we can have a bunch of other duped buyers march on
their corporate headquarters.
> o I have about 230 Mb of data on my C: drive. I choose the
> space-optimizing compression scheme and started a full backup.
> The software estimated it would take about 22 minutes. It
> took 4 1/2 hours. Does this sound about right?
This is a bit long. My system takes about 45 minutes to do
the same thing. Usually 4.5 hours, particularly if the tape
is grinding away the whole time means that your block size for
the write is too small. Is there any way to change the block
size or write buffer size so it's bigger?
> o During the backup, about a dozen files came up with "access
> denied" errors. Most of these were in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
> (COMM.DRV, KEYBOARD.DRV, SHELL.DLL, etc.), but also
> C:\WINDOWS\PROGMAN.EXE and a couple of files in the C:\TAPE
> directory. Anyone else had this happen?
This is because the files are opened by DOS. The files in the
TAPE directory are likely the executable file or the configuration
file for the tape system. I would recommend running the backup
from DOS so it will make a complete backup of the TAPE directory.
>Thanks for any and all feedback on this system. I'd also appreciate
>hearing of good sources for blank tape cartridges, preferably 250 Mb
>size.
The 250mb cartridges won't do you any good since the drive
won't write 250mb of physical data on the tape.
>Thanks.
>-pd
--
-brent williams (brentw@netcom.com) san jose, california
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Re: Mind Machines?
In article <C5snww.5GA@tripos.com>, homer@tripos.com (Webster Homer) writes...
>I recently learned about these devices that supposedly induce specific
>brain wave frequencies in their users simply by wearing them.
The principle underlying these devices is a well establish principle in
psychology called 'entrainment,' whereby external sensory stimuli
influence gross electrical patterns of brain function.
They are 'experimental' in that people experiment with them and they
are _not_ widely (if at all) used in medicine for therapeutic purposes.
Given the exception of TENS and similar units used for external electrical
stimulation, usually for pain relief, not really a light and sound machine.
They are _not_ experimental in the sense of a specific medical
category to that effect, as with experimental drugs, as the FDA does not
specifically regulate medical devices in the way it does pharmaceuticals.
>I would think that if they work as reported they would be incredibly useful,
There are few reliable studies of therapeutic or enhancement effects
for mind machines, other than those relaxation-related effects found with
meditation or self-hypnosis as well. Reported benefits are mostly anecdotal and
subjective so far, so it's hard to generalize about their potential value.
A pretty good general non-technical introduction to a wide variety
of these devices may be found in "Would the Buddha Wear a Walkman ?"
Some interesting background material, names of suppliers, and capsule reviews
of specific equipment.
>do these mind machines (aka Light and Sound machines) work? can they induce
>alpha, theta, and/or delta waves in a person wearing them? What research if
>any has been done on them? Could they be used in lieu of a tranquilizer?
>Or are they just another bit of quackery?
A more important question might be whether they have enough additional
value to be worth investing in. 'Biofeedback' was found to be a legitimate
and reliable effect experimentally under certain conditions, (in that
it demonstrated that we can influence physiological processes previously
considered purely autonomic) but never panned out as a particularly valuable
therapeutic tool because of the skill level required and the subtlety and
temporary nature of the effects in most cases. Maybe someone else
has more, there used to be a whole mailing list devoted to mind machines,
somewhere on the net.
>Web Homer
>homer@tripos.com
kind regards,
todd
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| 13sci.med |
Re: Shuttle Launch Question
In article <15APR199320340428@stdvax> abdkw@stdvax (David Ward) writes:
>In article <C5JLwx.4H9.1@cs.cmu.edu>, ETRAT@ttacs1.ttu.edu (Pack Rat) writes...
>>There has been something bothering me while watching
>>NASA Select for a while. Well, I should'nt say
>>bothering, maybe wondering would be better. When
>>they are going to launch they say (sorry but I forget
>>exactly who is saying what, OTC to PLT I think)
>>"Clear caution & warning memory. Verify no unexpected
>>errors. ...". I am wondering what an "expected error" might
>>be. Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but
>
>
>In pure speculation, I would guess cautions based on hazardous
>pre-launch ops would qualify. Something like "Caution: SRBs
>have just been armed."
Also in pure speculation:
Parity errors in memory or previously known conditions that were waivered.
"Yes that is an error, but we already knew about it"
Any problem where they decided a backup would handle it.
Any problem in an area that was not criticality 1,2,3..., that is, any
problem in a system they decided they could do without.
I'd be curious as to what the real meaning of the quote is.
tom
| 14sci.space |
Re: MAJOR VIEWS OF THE TRINITY
In article <May.14.02.12.04.1993.25393@athos.rutgers.edu>,
swf@elsegundoca.ncr.com (Stan Friesen) wrote:
>
> Simply put, I do not see any way that a "Platonic essence" could have
> any *real* existance. "Essence" in the Platonic sense does not have
> any referent as far as I can tell - it is just an imaginary concept
> invented to provide an explanation for things better explained in
> other ways.
You are quite confident that essences do not exist. How do propose to
define beings? Can a thing can be *one* without definition? Can a being
have a definition and know essence?
What about properties? Do beings have properties? Does God have
properties?
Does numbers exist in reality as abstract entities or do we invent them?
> Thus, to me, the unity of God must be primary, and the triality must be
> secondary, must be modal or aspectual (relating to roles, or to modes
> of interaction), since otherwise there is no meaning to saying God is one.
See my post in alt.messianic about the possibilities of tri-theism from a
phiolosophical point of view.
=====================
Ted Kalivoda (tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu)
Institute of Higher Education
University of Georgia
Athens, GA
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Re: Tieing Abortion to Health Reform -- Is Clinton Nuts?
In <1993Apr2.164428.1718@pwcs.stpaul.gov> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
>bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
>> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>>> dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz) writes:
>>>> Is Clinton nuts?
>>> Of course he is. I'd go further and suggest that he and Hillary are
>>> mentioned in the Book of Revelation (my favorite book in the Bible btw).
>> Sure, I bet you check your forehead in the mirror every half-hour.
>This gets my vote as the funniest SnappyComeback[tm] of the week.
Well, I try. Betcha when he finds out that only 144 thousand are going
he's going to complain about gross discrimination.
(I don't believe I said that)
:-)
>--
>Chris Lyman, Using .sigfiles to / "Learn to laugh at yourself;
>TransMit Hidden Messages since 1991 / otherwise you may miss the joke
>email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov / of the century." -- Dame Edna
TOG
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Re: Female (40's) looking for riding buddy!
In a previous article, deb90@ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin) says:
>
>I am a single, white female in 40s, looking for a
>man with a motorcycle to share fun
>trips from 1 to 6 days (or more).
>
>I have a Honda Magna 700 and riding is my LIFE but
>it's hard to find people to ride with.
>
>This is my son's account, so please respond to this
>address for more info.
>(phone number, etc.)
>
>Thanks!
>
>--
>
>
>I don't need a .sig.
>
You don't mention your riding area. If you're in the Eastern part
of Ontario Canada, I may be able to help. I love 1 day runs and
more. More info needed.
--
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Carr | : aa963@freenet.carleton.ca
Munster | E-Mail: carr@uranus.dgrc.doc.ca
Ontario | Ham ip: ve3fhc@ve3osq.#eon.on.ca.na
| 8rec.motorcycles |
looking for hot Mac 3D anim software
I am interested in finding 3D animation programs for the Mac.
I am especially interested in any programs that don't exist
in a PC port and are so good that they would make me go buy
a Mac. Do any such exist?
Thanks in advance
| 1comp.graphics |
2 PC's, chair & typewriter in Boston
1. IBM PS/2 286; 30 meg hd; 1.44 disk drive 3.5"; extended keyboard; mouse,
mouse-pad; DOS, DOSSHELL, EXCEL, WINDO S, WORD, AMIPRO, GRE StudyWare.
$500 / b.o.
2. Zenith Date Systems supersport laptop computer
w/ 120V AC recharger; model 150-308 60 hz.
DOS 4.0
2 disc drives for 3.5" floppy
carrying case, manuals.
$350 / b.o.
3. 2 leather desk chairs (1) black $200. (2) brown $150. or both for
$300.
4. Olivetti manual typewriter, Tropical model.
Incl. characters for typing in Italian language.
$100.
Please reply via email or call me at my home number: (617) 277-9234.
Thanks,
Jason
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| 6misc.forsale |
Re: Need to find out number to a phone line
In most areas of the country, serviced by ESS (or CESS), your phone
--
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* paula@nlbbs.com *
* Paula Stockholm Cumberland, Maine USA *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
| 12sci.electronics |
Re: Eternity of Hell (was Re: Hell)
db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes:
>And we also know that it is impossible to destroy the Soul.
Hmmm. Here's food for thought: " ...but rather be in fear of him
who can destroy both soul and body in gehenna." Math 10:28
Jack
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Re: Maxima Chain wax (and mail-order)
In article <1993Apr21.160012.12989@dsd.es.com> bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <1993Apr21.130512.147@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>>In article <93Apr20.211127.44984@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>
>>>I bought it, I tried it:
>>>It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
>>>My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.
>
>>I'd try it on the VFR, but goddamn Competition Accessories hasn't mailed my
>>order yet. Hell, it's only been two weeks and I was ordering some pretty
>>bizzare stuff. Like a clear RF-200 face sheild, and a can of Chain Wax...
>>Bastards.
>
>For what it's worth, I got my can in three days from Chaparral. That's
>UPS ground from CA to UT, YMMV. The stuff seems to work, and it doesn't
>attract grundge like PJ-1 Blue does. I gave it the acid test, a full
>day's worth of breaking in the Quadracer's new paddle tires down at the
>sand dunes. If there's anything wet & stickey it will be coated with
>sand at the end of the day, but the chain looked pretty clean.
I'll third the recommendation as Miracle Spooge.
Don't go to the dealer to get it or what happened to me might happen
to you: you put a deposit on a new bike.
Sigh,
--
Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Re: A question about 120V
>>SO.. Here's my question. It seems to me that I'd have the
>>same electrical circuit if I hooked the neutral jumper from the
>>neutral over to the ground screw on new 'three prong' grounding
>>outlets. What's wrong with my reasoning here?
>First, go to the local hardware store and pick up a copy of "Wiring
>Simplified" by H.L. Richter. Now if your house is wired with metal
>conduit, you don't need a seperate ground wire (assuming the house
>is wired correctly and the pipes are connected to a cold water
>pipe in your basement). The outlets that have a neutral hooked to
>the ground screw seem wrong. Anyone else think so?
Back in the 70's I was a service technician for a cash register company.
The cash registers used microprocessor circuits and back then they were
VERY susceptible to electrostatic discharge and line noise. The biggest
problems came from outlets that were not properly grounded.
In almost every place we went to do an installation, we found outlets
with the ground connected to the neutral. For 99.9% of the things you
can plug into one of these, they work fine. For our cash registers they
were a nightmare -- line noise tended to scramble the memory
periodically.
With modern electronics using switching power supplies this should be
less of a problem. Even the company I used to work for is no longer
recommending a dedicated line with a seperate ground for their
equipment. I imagine if you check MOST household wiring you will find
that the ground and neutral are connected. Although not ideal, it
should be o.k. for most applications.
---
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| 12sci.electronics |
Re: Don Cherry-New Pens Annoucer?
In article <C5wIuy.D88.1@cs.cmu.edu>, lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
|> Don Cherry announcing Penguins games. Yeah, and (to quote Pgh's
|> goofy mayor) I'm the Queen of Sheba.
Well, Your Majesty, ;^), couldn't you just picture it? Cherry starts doing
his first post-game interview with Barrasso; Tommy gives him that little look
(like somebody crapped on his shoe) and then proceeds to give Don a
tonsilectomy with his Sher-Wood. Now that you could put on pay-per-view!
Hope you had a good laugh!
George
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Need a card for SONY 1320
I recently made the mistake of purchasing a SONY CPD-1320 monitor for my
Mac IIci. The monitor is very good, however it seems that the IIci does not
support VGA (then why did you buy it you ask? I am stupid I reply). What I
am looking for is a video card, preferably 8 bit, which supports VGA. I am
interested in any information I can get. Offers for the sale of applicable
cards will also be considered.
Thanks in advance.
Jim Pyke
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
pentium clock counts
Does anyone have a list of the clock counts for pentium instructions --
or know if the INTEGER mul is down to 1 tick?
Thanks, HW Stockman, hwstock@sandia.llnl.gov
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Re: images of earth
In article <1993Apr19.144533.6779@cs.ruu.nl> clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar) writes:
>In <C5q0HK.KoD@hawnews.watson.ibm.com> ricky@watson.ibm.com (Rick Turner) writes:
>
>>Look in the /pub/SPACE directory on ames.arc.nasa.gov - there are a number
>>of earth images there. You may have to hunt around the subdirectories as
>>things tend to be filed under the mission (ie, "APOLLO") rather than under
>>the image subject.
>>
>For those of you who don't need 24 bit, I got a 32 colour Amiga IFF
>of a cloudless Earth (scanned). Looks okay when mapped on a sphere.
>E-mail me and I'll send it you...
Beware. There is only one such *copyrighted* image and the company
that generated is known to protect that copyright. That image took
hundreds of man-hours to build from the source satellite images,
so it is unlikely that competing images will appear soon.
| 1comp.graphics |
changing port buffer size in ZTerm
Some kind soul told me that I could change the serial port buffer size
of Zterm via ResEdit. He did not tell me HOW I could change it using
ResEdit, and I have lost his e-mail address.
Could he or any one else please tell me what to do?
I assume that the relevant resource is zSet, but I do not know, and
I have no template for that resource. If you have a TMPL for the correct
resource, I would be grateful to receive it. That way, I could play around
a bit and maybe get my Duo to do something useful with its serial port.
(other than Appletalk).
BTW, I believe that when the port stats says that maximum in buffer is
3074 bytes, that that means increasing the buffer will help, if you are
using hardware handshaking. I can cram text data pretty fast into my Duo,
and can monitor that CTS is being lowered, but the buffer never gets beyond
3074 (out of 4096) bytes. Makes sense to me.
Scott Petrack
Petrack@haifasc3.vnet.ibm.com
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
mac portable ram problems; coprocessor not installed?
I just recently bought a 4 MB ram card for my original mac portable
(backlit) and have since had some bizarre crashes. It happens when I put
the machine to sleep and wake the machine up. sometimes it will just
freeze the cursor and lock the machine up forcing me to push the reset
switch. Other times it will give me the usual bomb box with the error
message of "Co processor not installed".
I know one solution is NOT to put the machine to sleep, but does anyone
have any ideas on what could be causing this or better yet what might fix
it? The memory card is Psuedostatic ram and goes into the PDS Slot. That
probably figures into the problem. the manufacturer is King Memory (Not
kingston) from irvine, CA. They say the problem is in my machine.
Any Ideas? -- Gene Wright.
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Re: Observation re: helmets
In article <1qk5oi$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
|In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
|>
|> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for
|>certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church
|>meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just
|>pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I
|>maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely
|>passenger?
|
|If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a
|crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size. If your
|primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big
|spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a
|small one).
Well, you can accomplish both goals, actually, if you have a definite
physical type in mind when you go to these (cough) church meetings.. If
your tastes tend to smaller, more petite (cough) churchgoers, it is more
likely that they will have a smaller head, and you can safely get a medium
or small helmet.
This works for me, and I traded my spare large helmet with my best friend,
who, at 6'9", tends to look more for women that are over 6'0", and can't
usually fit into the medium size helmet he previously had...
Of course, if you aren't picky what size (*cough*) churchgoers you give
helpful motorcycle rides to, then Ed's advice will hopefully cover any
eventuality as far as legality is concerned, and a spare handtowel in the
tankbag makes acceptable padding so the passenger can see out of the viewport
(rather than the padding above the viewport) in the cases of extreme mismatch.
Randy Davis Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013
"But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_
| 8rec.motorcycles |
Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.
In article <13790@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes:
>In article <C5wDuw.L1o@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil> dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small) writes:
>>In article <13608@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes:
[stuff deleted]
Oh my, a REAL honest-to-goodness flamewar fired up here..... and it even has
some relevance to motorcycling. Amazing.
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doh #0000001200 |355o33| neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.
"Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================
| 8rec.motorcycles |
X, shared libraries, and replacing modules in them?
I know nothing about Sun's but replacing pieces of libraries, shared
or not, is straight forward on RS/6000's (all releases). Extract the
appropriate pierce with ar; rebind the .o; and replace with ar.
See Info for details.
| 5comp.windows.x |
Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is oxymoronic
In article <930416.140529.9M1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>
mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
>livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>>Not, of course, The Greatest Salesman in the World. That was Jesus, wasn't it?
>No, J.R. "Bob" Dobbs.
Definitely, J.R. "Bob" Dobbs, numero uno, top dog, not one can touch, not
one can knock Bob out of the box. Bob kills me mon! Everyday!
But close El Segundo (el subliminal) is the infamous Paul (birthname Saul) the
Evangeline who became famous as a result of his numerous trampoline act
tours of the eastern Mediterranean.
Jesus on the other hand was duped, a pawn of the Con, fell pray to the
Holywood Paradox (ain't nothing but a sign in the hills!). Like many
Afro-Asians, Jesus found the earth all too pink! And to think that after
his death, the Con changed him into a tall blond Holywood sun god! And I
do mean that in the kindest way possums! Now Jesus does gigs with Hendrix,
Joplin, Morrison, Lennon, Marley, Tosh, etc. Mostly ska beat jah-know!
| 19talk.religion.misc |
Re: Coloured puck (was: CHANGES NOT NOTED YET!)
In article <1993Apr5.171006.22196@bnr.ca>, dwarf@bcarh601.bnr.ca (W. Jim Jordan)
says:
>The precedent was set by the WHA in their first season. They used a red
>puck for exhibition games and a blue one for the regular season.
>Thankfully, they abandoned it in favour of black before the next season
>began.
>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
One reason that the WHA abandoned the blue puck was the fact that it
crumbled very quickly during play. The blue dye that was used somehow
affected the vulcanized rubber of the puck, decreasing its cohesiveness.
Terry
U16028@uicvm.uic.edu
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| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Re: Harry Caray
In article <34592@oasys.dt.navy.mil> odell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Bernard O'farmer
by the'Dell) writes:
>Being an old time Cardinal Fan-now relocated to the NVA area-I can
>recall that Harry was not at all "popular" with old man Busch, who,
>as I understand it, fired him and kicked him out of St. Louis.
>
>I am not quite sure of the reasons, but the old man was certainly
>not "enraptured" by ole Harry.
But maybe his wife was :-)
I don't claim to know whether it's true or not, but a couple different
people (totally unrelated) have said Harry was 'relieved' of his duties
because he had more than platonic relations with Augie Busch's wife.
Judgement is left to the individual, cuz I sure don't claim to be an
impeachable source in this case.
--
Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch Blue Jays - Do it again in '93
kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu New .. quotes out of context!
"Not to beat a dead horse, but it's been a couple o' weeks .. this
disappoints me..punishments..discharges..jackhammering.." - Stephen Lawrence
| 9rec.sport.baseball |
Re: Radio stations
co398@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Theodore G. Benjamin) writes:
>In messge 51890 on Mon Apr 19 15:46:40 1993, greanias@texas.mitre.org (Steve Greanias) wrote:
>> I do not have cable and on the nights the Caps don't
>>play, I would like to tune in other games. Does anyone have a
>>list of the radio stations which broadcast the games for the NHL
>>teams?
>Here are the ones I can remember offhand:
> KDKA 1020 AM Pittsburgh Penguins
Lori, the regular Penguins poster here on rec.sport.hockey, indicated to me
via e-mail that on the nights that Pirates baseball and Penguins playoff
games coincide, the Pens will be covered on WDVE FM (102.5).
> WABC 770 AM New Jersey Devils
> WBBM 780 AM Chicago Blackhawks
> WJM (?) 720 AM Detroit Redwings
^^^^ ^^^^
This is WJR in Detroit and it's 760 AM. However, as I neglected to mention in
my earlier response to this thread, on the nights when the Tigers baseball
games coincide with the Wings' playoff games, the Wings will be carried on
WLLZ FM (98.7).
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Re: BUFFALO 4, Boston 0: Defense!!
In article <1r8tgh$lfi@hsdndev.harvard.edu> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
>
>Harry and his buttkisser Milbury will never admit that they screwed up
>in a major way when they brought in one of the dumbest people in the
>business,Brian Sutter. Sutter's playoff record as the head coach in St.Louis
>speaks for itself. The Blues really have a chance to advance to the
>second round this year...
>
Grant Fuhr has done this to a lot better coaches than Brian Sutter...
Gerald
| 10rec.sport.hockey |
Re: Pregnency without sex?
I think you must have the same hygiene teacher I had in 1955. There
is a story about the Civil War about a soldier who was shot in the
groin. The bullet, after passing through one of his testes, then entered
the abdomen of a young woman standing nearby. Later, when she (a young
woman of unimpeachible virtue) was shown to be pregnant; the soldier did
the honorable thing of marrying her. According to this story, they lived
happily ever after.
Perhaps the most famous of Mr. Rau's classes was the time he would come
into class brandishing an aluminum turning mandrel (tapering from about
3/8" to 1/2" over a 10 inch length). He would say, "Boys, do you know
what this is? It's a medical instrument called a 'cock reamer' and it's
used to unclog your penis when you have VD. They just ram it up there
without an anesthetic!" Needless to say this had a chilling effect.
I didn't have lascivious thoughts for at least an hour. Later in life
as I perused medical instrument catelogs and saw the slender flexible
urethral sounds that are actually used, I could not escape thinking
that I might one day see, "Reamer, Cock (style of Rau) ."
]
| 13sci.med |
Re: Divorce
In article <May.9.05.42.10.1993.27614@athos.rutgers.edu>
daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao) writes:
> In article <May.7.01.10.03.1993.14583@athos.rutgers.edu>
crs@carson.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
> >
> >Along the way, she was married, happily, to a wonderful and
> >supportive husband and gave birth to two sons. Still, everything was not
> >perfect for Jane, since she could never open up the deepest part of her
> >soul to her husband.
..
> >One of the interesting things that Jane said in this whole discussion was
> >"Homosexuality is not about what goes on in the bedroom." She found that
> >she was much more able to have a deep, committed relationship with a woman
> >than a man. Sex, in her mind, is only a part of the whole relationship.
...
It sounds like she has a problem. She has a problem opening up to her
husband so she is lesbian. WHAT? In a marrige, a couple is supposed
to open up to each other. Because she didn't feel comfortable opening
up to her husband she gets a divorce and comes to the conclusion that
she is lesbian. Before anyone gets maried they should make sure that
they would feel comfortable "open up the deepest part of her soul to
her husband". "Sex, in her mind, is only a part of the whole
relationship." Did she think it was diffrent with a man. That might
be her problem.
In Christ's Love,
Bryan
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Re: Clarification of personal position
In article <C5MuIw.AqC@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu
(Darius_Lecointe) wrote:
> I will repeat my position here. Worshipping on Sunday has never been a
> sin. As a child I attended services on Saturday and Sunday--at the SDA
> church and at the Pentecostal church across the street. I might even go to a
> Baptist church next week. I worship God every day, and every Christian
> should. Even if we can prove that Christians should meet on Sunday (and
> we can't) we can never prove that violation of the Sabbath is not a sin
> any longer. Nor can we prove that violation of Sunday is a sin. We
> cannot use the Sabbath commandment for that purpose.
My online Bible is on a CD, but I don't own a CD-ROM system for the
time being, so I can't search for the famous cite where Jesus explicitly
states that he didn't want to break existing (Jewish) laws. In other
words technically speaking Christians should use Saturday and not Sunday
as their holy day, if they want to conform to the teachings of Jesus.
Cheers,
Kent
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| 19talk.religion.misc |
Re: Foreskin Troubles
In article <1993Apr18.042100.2720@radford.vak12ed.edu> mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich) writes:
>What can be done, short of circumcision, for an adult male
>whose foreskin will not retract?
>
Melissa, there is a simpler procedure called a "Dorsal slit" that is
really the first step of the usual circumcision. It is simpler and
quicker, but the pain is about the same as circumcision after the
anesthetic wears off and the aesthetic result post healing is not as
good. See your friendly urologist for more details.
Len Howard
.
| 13sci.med |
disp135 [0/7]
I have posted disp135.zip to alt.binaries.pictures.utilities
****** You may distribute this program freely for non-commercial use
if no fee is gained.
****** There is no warranty. The author is not responsible for any
damage caused by this program.
Important changes since version 1.30:
Fix bugs in file management system (file displaying).
Improve file management system (more user-friendly).
Fix bug in XPM version 3 reading.
Fix bugs in TARGA reading/writng.
Fix bug in GEM/IMG reading.
Add support for PCX and GEM/IMG writing.
Auto-skip macbinary header.
(1) Introduction:
This program can let you READ, WRITE and DISPLAY images with different
formats. It also let you do some special effects(ROTATION, DITHERING ....)
on image. Its main purpose is to let you convert image among different
formts.
Include simple file management system.
Support 'slide show'.
There is NO LIMIT on image size.
Currently this program supports 8, 15, 16, 24 bits display.
If you want to use HiColor or TrueColor, you must have VESA driver.
If you want to modify video driver, please read section (8).
(2) Hardware Requirement:
PC 386 or better. MSDOS 3.3 or higher.
min amount of ram is 4M bytes(Maybe less memory will also work).
(I recommend min 8M bytes for better performance).
Hard disk for swapping(virtual memory).
The following description is borrowed from DJGPP.
Supported Wares:
* Up to 128M of extended memory (expanded under VCPI)
* Up to 128M of disk space used for swapping
* SuperVGA 256-color mode up to 1024x768
* 80387
* XMS & VDISK memory allocation strategies
* VCPI programs, such as QEMM, DESQview, and 386MAX
Unsupported:
* DPMI
* Microsoft Windows
Features: 80387 emulator, 32-bit unix-ish environment, flat memory
model, SVGA graphics.
(3) Installation:
Video drivers, emu387 and go32.exe are borrowed from DJGPP.
(If you use Western Digital VGA chips, read readme.wd)
(This GO32.EXE is a modified version for vesa and is COMPLETELY compatible
with original version)
+ *** But some people report that this go32.exe is not compatible with
+ other DJGPP programs in their system. If you encounter this problem,
+ DON'T put go32.exe within search path.
*** Please read runme.bat for how to run this program.
If you choose xxxxx.grn as video driver, add 'nc 256' to environment
GO32.
For example, go32=driver x:/xxxxx/xxxxx.grn nc 256
If you don't have 80x87, add 'emu x:/xxxxx/emu387' to environment GO32.
For example, go32=driver x:/xxxxx/xxxxx.grd emu x:/xxxxx/emu387
**** Notes: 1. I only test tr8900.grn, et4000.grn and vesa.grn.
Other drivers are not tested.
2. I have modified et4000.grn to support 8, 15, 16, 24 bits
display. You don't need to use vesa driver.
If et4000.grn doesn't work, please try vesa.grn.
3. For those who want to use HiColor or TrueColor display,
please use vesa.grn(except et4000 users).
You can find vesa BIOS driver from :
wuarchive.wustl.edu: /mirrors/msdos/graphics
godzilla.cgl.rmit.oz.au: /kjb/MGL
(4) Command Line Switch:
+ Usage : display [-d|--display initial_display_type]
+ [-s|--sort sort_method]
+ [-h|-?]
Display type: 8(SVGA,default), 15, 16(HiColor), 24(TrueColor)
+ Sort method: 'name', 'ext'
(5) Function Key:
F2 : Change disk drive
+ CTRL-A -- CTRL-Z : change disk drive.
F3 : Change filename mask (See match.doc)
F4 : Change parameters
F5 : Some effects on picture, eg. flip, rotate ....
F7 : Make Directory
t : Tag file
+ : Tag group files (See match.doc)
T : Tag all files
u : Untag file
- : Untag group files (See match.doc)
U : Untag all files
Ins : Change display type (8,15,16,24) in 'read' & 'screen' menu.
F6,m,M : Move file(s)
F8,d,D : Delete file(s)
r,R : Rename file
c,C : Copy File(s)
z,Z : Display first 10 bytes in Ascii, Hex and Dec modes.
+ f,F : Display disk free space.
Page Up/Down : Move one page
TAB : Change processing target.
Arrow keys, Home, End, Page Up, Page Down: Scroll image.
Home: Left Most.
End: Right Most.
Page Up: Top Most.
Page Down: Bottom Most.
in 'screen' & 'effect' menu :
Left,Right arrow: Change display type(8, 15, 16, 24 bits)
s,S : Slide Show. ESCAPE to terminate.
ALT-X : Quit program without prompting.
+ ALT-A : Reread directory.
Escape : Abort function and return.
(6) Support Format:
Read: GIF(.gif), Japan MAG(.mag), Japan PIC(.pic), Sun Raster(.ras),
Jpeg(.jpg), XBM(.xbm), Utah RLE(.rle), PBM(.pbm), PGM(.pgm),
PPM(.ppm), PM(.pm), PCX(.pcx), Japan MKI(.mki), Tiff(.tif),
Targa(.tga), XPM(.xpm), Mac Paint(.mac), GEM/IMG(.img),
IFF/ILBM(.lbm), Window BMP(.bmp), QRT ray tracing(.qrt),
Mac PICT(.pct), VIS(.vis), PDS(.pds), VIKING(.vik), VICAR(.vic),
FITS(.fit), Usenix FACE(.fac).
the extensions in () are standard extensions.
Write: GIF, Sun Raster, Jpeg, XBM, PBM, PGM, PPM, PM, Tiff, Targa,
XPM, Mac Paint, Ascii, Laser Jet, IFF/ILBM, Window BMP,
+ Mac PICT, VIS, FITS, FACE, PCX, GEM/IMG.
All Read/Write support full color(8 bits), grey scale, b/w dither,
and 24 bits image, if allowed for that format.
(7) Detail:
Initialization:
Set default display type to highest display type.
Find allowable screen resolution(for .grn video driver only).
1. When you run this program, you will enter 'read' menu. Whthin this
menu you can press any function key except F5. If you move or copy
files, you will enter 'write' menu. the 'write' menu is much like
'read' menu, but only allow you to change directory.
+ The header line in 'read' menu includes "(d:xx,f:xx,t:xx)".
+ d : display type. f: number of files. t: number of tagged files.
pressing SPACE in 'read' menu will let you select which format to use
for reading current file.
pressing RETURN in 'read' menu will let you reading current file. This
program will automatically determine which format this file is.
The procedure is: First, check magic number. If fail, check
standard extension. Still fail, report error.
pressing s or S in 'read' menu will do 'Slide Show'.
If delay time is 0, program will wait until you hit a key
(except ESCAPE).
If any error occurs, program will make a beep.
ESCAPE to terminate.
pressing Ins in 'read' menu will change display type.
pressing ALT-X in 'read' menu will quit program without prompting.
2. Once image file is successfully read, you will enter 'screen' menu.
Within this menu F5 is turn on. You can do special effect on image.
pressing RETURN: show image.
in graphic mode, press RETURN, SPACE or ESCAPE to return to text
mode.
pressing TAB: change processing target. This program allows you to do
special effects on 8-bit or 24-bit image.
pressing Left,Right arrow: change display type. 8, 15, 16, 24 bits.
pressing SPACE: save current image to file.
B/W Dither: save as black/white image(1 bit).
Grey Scale: save as grey image(8 bits).
Full Color: save as color image(8 bits).
True Color: save as 24-bit image.
This program will ask you some questions if you want to write image
to file. Some questions are format-dependent. Finally This program
will prompt you a filename. If you want to save file under another
directory other than current directory, please press SPACE. after
pressing SPACE, you will enter 'write2' menu. You can change
directory to what you want. Then,
pressing SPACE: this program will prompt you 'original' filename.
pressing RETURN: this program will prompt you 'selected' filename
(filename under bar).
3. This program supports 8, 15, 16, 24 bits display.
4. This Program is MEMORY GREEDY. If you don't have enough memory,
the performance is poor.
5. If you want to save 8 bits image :
try GIF then TIFF(LZW) then TARGA then Sun Raster then BMP then ...
If you want to save 24 bits image (lossless):
try TIFF(LZW) or TARGA or ILBM or Sun Raster
(No one is better for true 24bits image)
6. I recommend Jpeg for storing 24 bits images, even 8 bits images.
7. Not all subroutines are fully tested
8. This document is not well written. If you have any PROBLEM, SUGGESTION,
COMMENT about this program,
Please send to u7711501@bicmos.ee.nctu.edu.tw (140.113.11.13).
I need your suggestion to improve this program.
(There is NO anonymous ftp on this site)
(8) Tech. information:
Program (user interface and some subroutines) written by Jih-Shin Ho.
Some subroutines are borrowed from XV(2.21) and PBMPLUS(dec 91).
Tiff(V3.2) and Jpeg(V4) reading/writing are through public domain
libraries.
Compiled with DJGPP.
You can get whole DJGPP package from SIMTEL20 or mirror sites.
For example, wuarchive.wustl.edu: /mirrors/msdos/djgpp
(9) For Thoese who want to modify video driver:
1. get GRX source code from SIMTEL20 or mirror sites.
2. For HiColor and TrueColor:
15 bits : # of colors is set to 32768.
16 bits : # of colors is set to 0xc010.
24 bits : # of colors is set to 0xc018.
Acknowledgment:
I would like to thank the authors of XV and PBMPLUS for their permission
to let me use their subroutines.
Also I will thank the authors who write Tiff and Jpeg libraries.
Thank DJ. Without DJGPP I can't do any thing on PC.
Jih-Shin Ho
u7711501@bicmos.ee.nctu.edu.tw
| 1comp.graphics |
Shareware
Recently I saw the latest Computer Shopper and in it there was an article
on nice shareware graphics programs. They looked pretty good and of the 6
listed in the article, one I had (Graphics Workshop), one I found via
archie (Draft Choice - old version though) and the rest I couldn't find.
So if there is anyone that knows where I can get the following programs
via anonymous ftp, please let me know.
Adkins Graphics :AG1.ZIP, AG2.ZIP
Draft Choice (latest VGA version) : DRAFTC.ZIP
Envision Publisher: ENVIS1.ZIP, ENVIS2.ZIP
Neopaint: NEOPNT.ZIP
Thanx in advance.
D.PETRO
--
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> DAVID PETRO KWYJIBO-- A big, dumb, balding <
> Dept. of Physics North American ape. <
> University of Windsor petro@server.uwindsor.ca <
| 1comp.graphics |
JPEG file format?
Where could I find a description of the JPG file format? Specifically
I need to know where in a JPG file I can find the height and width of
the image, and perhaps even the number of colors being used.
Any suggestions?
Peter
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| 1comp.graphics |
xvertext version 5.0 released
Now available: xvertext 5.0
---------------------------
Another day, another xvertext release...
Summary
-------
xvertext provides you with several functions to draw strings at any angle in
an X window (previous versions were limited to vertical text).
What's new since 4.0?
---------------------
o Existing bitmap fonts can be magnified to give reasonable fonts at large
sizes.
o Bounding boxes can be obtained.
o The GC's stipple bitmap is honoured.
o Font IDs can be cached when font names are unavailable.
o An Imakefile is present.
o The demos are better (including a ransom note like the
comp.sources.postscript one)
Where can I get it?
-------------------
comp.sources.x (soon...)
export.lcs.mit.edu : contrib/xvertext.5.0.shar.Z (now)
--
Alan Richardson, * "You don't have to be *
School of Maths & Physical Sciences, * old to be wise" *
Univ. of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QH, ENGLAND * ******Judas Priest*****
UK: mppa3@uk.ac.sussex.syma elsewhere: mppa3@syma.sussex.ac.uk
| 5comp.windows.x |
Re: 66DX2 Math Co-Pro vs. 50DX
In article <1r3vs7INNnr3@lynx.unm.edu>, teague@us17503.mdc.com (Chris Teague 7-1171) writes:
> Which 486 CPU will give the better performance on math intensive programs, a
> 486-66 DX2 or a 486-50 DX?
486DX2/66 is faster for this if you are using DOS. PC Mag reviewed a bunch
of 486DX2/66 and a 486DX50 and the486DX2/66 was faster...
THe review was in the last month of two.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Chris Teague
>
Guy
--
-- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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guyd@hoskyns.co.uk Tel Hoskyns UK - 71 251 2128
guyd@austin.ibm.com Tel IBM Austin USA - 512 838 3377
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Re: How often are SIMMs bad (mail order)?
Hi,
I got a glimpse from the other side, talking to the technician at the
place I recently bought my Mac from. The guy told me that they stopped
shipping SIMMs to their customers and only install them themselves -
those babies get zapped too easily by static electricity or so they
claim.
HSK
--
Sie singen das alte Entsagungslied, das Eiapopeia vom Himmel,
womit man beruhigt, wenn es greint, das Volk, den grossen Luemmel.
Ein neues Lied, ein besseres Lied, oh Freunde, will ich Euch dichten,
Wir wollen hier auf Erden schon das Himmelreich errichten. ... H. Heine
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Printer and game for sale
I have the following for sale:
TI 855 Printer in excellect working condition
$100 + postage
Game = The Lost Files of Sherlock Holmes
Original box and contents used 1 time and
unregistered $30 + postage
If iterested EMAIL me at:
EMAIL = caldwell@epcot.spdc.ti.com
and I will hold it for you.
| 6misc.forsale |
Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
In article <1993Apr24.152611.5376@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>In article <1qvtk4$jep@kyle.eitech.com> ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>>No, you're just overloading the word "value" again. It is an
>>estimation of probability of correctness, not an estimation of "worth."
>>Shit, I don't even know what "worth" means. Consider the possibility
>>that I am not interested in knowing truth. I could still believe
>>that science was the most likely way to get truth, and not value
>>science at all.
>
>But you STILL value likely ways over unlikely ways, correct?
For the times when I'm interested in the truth, I do.
>If I wanted to
>know the "truth" about, say, the specific gravity of chicken soup, I could
>employ science -- meters, gauges, scales, etc. -- or I could just talk a walk
>on a beach somewhere. Both have a possibility of generating the truthful
>answer -- in the case of the walk on the beach, it would have to be some sort
>of sudden inspiration about the specific gravity of chicken soup which just
>happened to be truthful -- so what makes me choose the scientific method of
>truth-determination over the "walk on the beach" method? Because I *VALUE*
>science's higher probability of obtaining truth, that's why. Everywhere one
>turns, there is intentionality and value judgments lurking just beneath the
>veneer of detached objectivity. It is an inescapable aspect of the human
>condition.
This strikes me as rather obvious. What is your point about this,
Kevin?
>>Truth by blatant assertion again, Frank. It's observationally the
>>case that when you measure it, it works. It can be reasonably well
>>assumed that it will work even when you are not measuring it, barring
>>quantum silliness about how it might have disappeared and reappeared.
>>It doesn't take a notion of objective reality to discuss my observations.
>Well, I would add that the attribute "works even when not being measured" is
>*ALSO* something which is valued and intended, Eric. All you've succeeded in
>doing is kicking this up another level in the hierarchy of values.
Huh? Of course I intend that it works. But the fact that I want it
to work, and want to use a procedure that will show that it works,
has no bearing on the logical standing of the procedure that
I choose (empiricism.)
I don't see how this is any kind of problem, Kevin.
-Ekr
--
Eric Rescorla ekr@eitech.com
"What we've got here is failure to communicate."
| 19talk.religion.misc |
re: Tempest and Cyclone info NEEDED
In article <13651@news.duke.edu>, connie@acpub.duke.edu (Connie) writes:
> The two models will talk as well as listen. A new system facility
> called the Speech Manager will convert text strings sent by
> applications to phonemes and then pass them to a speech synthesizer.
Now to make it perfect apple ought to run right out and license
the voice of a certain Mrs. Roddenberry for the speech synthesizer....
Scott
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Toolwork: MPC Encyclopedia on CD-ROM
I have the following program on CD ROM forsale:
Toolwork MPC Encyclopedia on CD-ROM
- Multimedia
- Brand new
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| 6misc.forsale |
Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks
In article <121415@netnews.upenn.edu> egedi@ahwenasa.cis.upenn.edu (Dania M. Egedi) writes:
:In article <1993Apr16.222604.18331@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
:|> In article <1993Apr16.174436.22897@midway.uchicago.edu> pkgeragh@gsbphd.uchicago.edu (Kevin Geraghty) writes:
:|> >wrong about the whole guns-for-protection mindset, it ignores the
:|>
:|> Why? If you're not a threat, you're not affected at all.
:|>
:
:Aha. That's the part that makes me nervous too. Who gets to decide if
:I am a threat? Based on appearance? Would someone feel more threatened
:
Actions determine whether someone presents a threat... and I don't carry a gun
so much for people, cause I tend to fade if there are any about, but due to
several encounters with formerly domestic dogs... these critters ain't scared
of folks, and can get aggressive.
:on staying at and saw someone sitting there cleaning his gun. Softly I backed
:away, and hiked another 5 miles to get *out of there*. I'll freely admit it here:
:I'm not afraid of guns; I'm afraid of people that bring them into the backcountry.
:
I'd count that as a fear of guns... somebody having the sense to keep their
weapons maintained isn't as likely to present a threat. The Army taught me to
clean any weapons DAILY, since they usually need it, regardless of whether
they've been used... You'd be amazed how sweaty a holster can get, or how much
trail dust will get in it. And I guess you'd be scared of me and my former
Explorer Post... seems the advisors were National Guard Special Forces grunts,
and considered it heresy to be out in the woods without a weapon... course,
usually you wouldn't notice 'em... :) They tended to avoid public scrutiny...
:Of course, that may be the way to solve the solitude problem. Just carry a gun
:and display it prominently, and one probably won't see most of the other hikers
:out there, who will be hiding in the woods. 1/2 :-)
:
: - Dania
My 9mm goes in a hip holster, mixed in with magazine pouches (hold lotsa stuff
in them), canteens, knives, compasses, and such... Not so easy to notice, in
the off chance I decide to be visible... I prefer not to be, since walking
quietly away from active areas increases the number of non-human type critters
I see...
James
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gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent
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| 16talk.politics.guns |
Re: XV 3.00 has escaped!
In article <1rlhhkINNg62@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca>, lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca (George Lindholm) writes:
> In article <123645@netnews.upenn.edu> bradley@grip.cis.upenn.edu (John Bradley) writes:
> >No, not another false alarm, not a "It'll certainly be done by *next* week"
> >message... No, this is the real thing. I repeat, this is *not* a drill!
> >
> >Batten down the hatches, hide the women, and lock up the cows, XV 3.00 has
> >finally escaped. I was cleaning its cage this morning when it overpowered
> >me, broke down the office door, and fled the lab. It was last seen heading
> >in the general direction of export.lcs.mit.edu at nearly 30k per second...
> >
> >If found, it answers to the name of 'contrib/xv-3.00.tar.Z'.
> >
> >Have a blast. I'm off to the vacation capital of the U.S.: Waco, Texas.
>
> And here is the first patch :-) The following fixes some problems with the
> Imakefile files and makes it possible to compile xv-3.00 under Solaris without
> having to use the ucb stuff:
Oops, I didn't get the signal processing right (thats what I get from doing
the work on an ascii terminal). Here is the fixed patch:
*** 1.1 1993/04/28 06:05:03
--- Imakefile 1993/04/28 08:20:35
***************
*** 209,215 ****
OBJS4= xcmap.o
PROGRAMS= xv bggen vdcomp xcmap
!
#if defined(HaveJpeg) || defined(HaveTiff)
# ifdef HaveJpeg
--- 209,218 ----
OBJS4= xcmap.o
PROGRAMS= xv bggen vdcomp xcmap
! all::
! @echo ""
! @echo " Did you remember to 'make depend' first?"
! @echo ""
#if defined(HaveJpeg) || defined(HaveTiff)
# ifdef HaveJpeg
***************
*** 222,238 ****
SUBDIRS = tiff
# endif
# define PassCDebugFlags
MakeSubdirs($(SUBDIRS))
- DependSubdirs($(DUBDIRS))
#endif
all::
- @echo ""
- @echo " Did you remember to 'make depend' first?"
- @echo ""
-
- all::
@echo " building xv ..."
@echo ""
--- 225,236 ----
SUBDIRS = tiff
# endif
# define PassCDebugFlags
+ # define IHaveSubdirs
MakeSubdirs($(SUBDIRS))
#endif
all::
@echo " building xv ..."
@echo ""
***************
*** 259,267 ****
SRCS = $(SRCS1) $(SRCS2) $(SRCS3) $(SRCS4)
- DependTarget()
AllTarget($(PROGRAMS))
NormalProgramTarget(xv,$(OBJS1),$(DEPLIBS),$(LOCAL_LIBRARIES),)
NormalProgramTarget(bggen,$(OBJS2),$(DEPLIBS),$(LOCAL_LIBRARIES),)
--- 257,269 ----
SRCS = $(SRCS1) $(SRCS2) $(SRCS3) $(SRCS4)
+
AllTarget($(PROGRAMS))
+ DependTarget()
+ #ifdef IHaveSubdirs
+ DependSubdirs($(SUBDIRS))
+ #endif
NormalProgramTarget(xv,$(OBJS1),$(DEPLIBS),$(LOCAL_LIBRARIES),)
NormalProgramTarget(bggen,$(OBJS2),$(DEPLIBS),$(LOCAL_LIBRARIES),)
*** 1.1 1993/04/28 06:09:50
--- xcmap.c 1993/04/28 07:09:03
***************
*** 9,15 ****
--- 9,19 ----
/* include files */
#include <stdio.h>
+ #if defined(sun) && defined(SYSV)
+ #include <string.h>
+ #else
#include <strings.h>
+ #endif
#include <ctype.h>
#include <X11/Xos.h>
*** 1.1 1993/04/28 08:33:13
--- xv.h 1993/04/28 17:47:38
***************
*** 284,292 ****
--- 284,298 ----
/* signal macros */
+ #if defined(sun) && defined(SYSV)
+ #define HOLD_SIG sighold(SIGALRM)
+ #define RELEASE_SIG sigrelse(SIGALRM)
+ #define PAUSE_SIG sigpause(SIGALRM)
+ #else
#define HOLD_SIG sigblock(sigmask(SIGALRM))
#define RELEASE_SIG sigblock(0)
#define PAUSE_SIG sigpause(0)
+ #endif
/* default for most folks */
***************
*** 318,323 ****
--- 324,333 ----
#define random rand
#define srandom srand
#endif
+ #if defined(sun) && defined(SYSV)
+ #define random() rand()
+ #define srandom(x) srand(x)
+ #endif
*** 1.1 1993/04/28 06:17:41
--- tiff/Imakefile 1993/04/28 08:53:34
***************
*** 49,59 ****
--- 49,69 ----
tif_compress.o: Imakefile
+ #if HasGcc
g3states.h: mkg3states.c t4.h
-${RM} g3states.h
+ ${CC} -traditional -o mkg3states ${CFLAGS} mkg3states.c
+ ./mkg3states > g3states.h || rm g3states.h
+ #else
+ g3states.h: mkg3states.c t4.h
+ -${RM} g3states.h
${CC} -o mkg3states ${CFLAGS} mkg3states.c
./mkg3states > g3states.h || rm g3states.h
+ #endif
depend:: g3states.h
+ clean::
+ -${RM} mkg3states g3states.h
+
DependTarget()
| 5comp.windows.x |
Re: Ban All Firearms !
In article <16BAECE99.PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu> PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:
}In article <C5D4Hv.8Dp@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
}papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
}
}>In article <92468@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHPLEIGH) writes:
}>>
}>2.If Guns were banned, and a bunch showed up in south florida, it
}>would be 100x easier to trace and notice then a small ripple in the
}>huge wave of the American gun-craze.
} ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
}
} Do they teach courses in rude in Canada?
They don't have too. Canadian culture is handed down largely from the United
Empire Loyalists who fled from the American Revolution. Canuckleheads tend
to have a "cratophilic," or government-loving attitude towards authority.
Paul Prescod is right in line with this elitist bigotry and prejudice that
all my Canadian friends hate in their fellow citizens. His sort of snobbish
Canuck have an irrational horror of American democratic "armed mobs."
Tim Starr - Renaissance Now!
Assistant Editor: Freedom Network News, the newsletter of ISIL,
The International Society for Individual Liberty,
1800 Market St., San Francisco, CA 94102
(415) 864-0952; FAX: (415) 864-7506; 71034.2711@compuserve.com
Think Universally, Act Selfishly - starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu
| 16talk.politics.guns |
Re: christians and aids
Paul Conditt writes:
>Yes, it's important to realize that all actions have consequences,
>and that "rules" were made for our own good. But to suggest that a
>*disease* is a *punishment* for certain types of sin I think is
>taking things much too far.
[text deleted]
>Yes, sin can have terrible consequences, but we need to be *real*
>careful when saying that the consequences are a *punishment* for
>sin.
I wish that you had followed this thread before jumping to conclusions.
I haven't seen anybody write that AIDS was a *punishment* for certain
types of sin (this includes Mark Ashley who you were responding to
here). I myself wrote that when you don't do things God's way that
curses will come on you and others. Although one definition of 'curse'
is 'retribution', I only meant 'harm or misfortune' when I used the
word. Because God loves us he has told us the best way to live in his
Bible. God doesn't cause curses, he warns us of them.
Kevin Davis wrote (a while ago):
>Last week I was guilty of anger, jealousy, and whole mess of
>other stuff, yet I am forgiven and not condemned to suffer with
>AIDs. To even suggest that AIDS is "deserved" is ludicrous.
The Bible makes it clear that we all equally deserve death (which is
much worse than AIDS) -- we have all hurt God with our sin.
Paul Conditt reveals his feelings:
>In case you couldn't tell, I get *extremely* angry and upset when
>I see things like this. Instead of rationalizing our own fears and
>phobias, we need to be reaching out to people with AIDS and other
>socially unacceptable diseases. Whether they got the disease through
>their own actions or not is irrelevant. They still need Jesus...
The first issue you bring up is your anger. It is "obvious"ly wrong to
be angry (Gal 5:19-20) for any reason, especially *extremely* angry
which is on par with hatred. Jesus has every reason to be angry at us
for putting him on the cross with our sin, yet his prayer was "forgive
them Father, they know not what they do." Knowing how forgiving Jesus
has been with me calls me to be more forgiving with everyone out of
love for Him. Please don't give in to anger, it will only cause
foolish quarrels and more bad feelings.
It's okay if you read something that bothers you, but you need to
address it in a loving way. If right now, I felt like someone out
there was saying that God punishes gay or sexually immoral people with
AIDS because they deserve punishment that others don't then I would
frame a response something like this:
"It makes me feel very sad for someone to believe that AIDS, which is
simply a harmful disease not so unlike any other, is God's punishment
for people who have committed certain sins. God loves all of his
children equally and rejoices when a single one comes back to him. We
will all be judged after we die, but until then we all have the
opportunity to accept God's grace by earnestly seeking after him with
all of our hearts, believing the gospel's testimony, repenting of our
sin, confessing that Jesus is Lord at baptism, and living a new life
for him.
Let us not judge someone to be eternally condemned. God's arm is not
to short to save. He will do anything he can to move a hardened heart
or a misled person. He works for the good of all men. Even through
the worst of situations, he has set the times and places for all men
that they may perhaps reach out and find him."
The second issue you bring up is seeing people rationalize their fears
of people with AIDS. Fortunately, what you describe as seeing is
actually misperceiving. You have been missing the points made in the
earlier posts and reacting in anger to attitudes that haven't been
expressed. I know that its sometimes hard to discount your
perceptions, but please try to be open-minded.
You are quite correct in saying that we should reach out to all people
because they all need Jesus. This is what my brothers and sisters and
I do on a daily basis. If you would like to send me the name of the
city and state you live in, I will find and get you in touch with some
brothers who have AIDS or know people with AIDS and live nearby you so
that you can see the loving attitudes for yourself.
The third issue you bring up is the importance of how some individual
contracted AIDS. How someone gets AIDS is only relevant to their
salvation in that there may be repetence involved.
The important point to be made, however, is that not listening to God's
commands (or advice or warnings), i.e. sinning, causes harm or
misfortune to yourself and others. For this reason, a good way to
prevent the misfortune of AIDS, which can be transmitted in sinful ways,
is to listen to God's advice and have sex only with your wife or
husband.
I hope that you are feeling better now, Paul.
Love,
Aaron Cardenas
| 15soc.religion.christian |
Re: CView answers
Ray Knight (rknight@stiatl.salestech.com) wrote:
:uk02183@nx10.mik.uky.edu (bryan k williams) writes:
:>re: majority of users not readding from floppy.
:>Well, how about those of us who have 1400-picture CD-ROMS and would like to use
:>CVIEW because it is fast and it works well, but can't because the moron lacked
:>the foresight to create the temp file in the program's path, not the current
:>didrectory?
: Actually the most flexible way to create temp files is to check for a TEMP or
: TMP environment variable and create the files on the drive and directory pointedto by the variable. This is pretty much a standard for DOS, Windows and OS/2
: applications.
Unfortunately, cview does not pay attention to the temp environment variable.
Matthew Zenkar
mz@moscom.com
| 1comp.graphics |
Re: Windows On A RAMDRIVE??? Help...
f_langleyrh@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>[...] Stuff del'd for bandwidth's sake.
>Why? *sigh* If you don't have more than 16MBs of memory using a RAMDrive
>with windows is a _waste_ of memory. Windows will access upto 16MB RAM better
>as memory. As to why what you did didn't work, it is because driveletters
>and paths are stored inside the group/pif/ini files. All of the sudden things
>went from drive c: to drive e:! However, if you wanted to copy an application
>up to the RAMDrive and re-setup it up, that should work normally, but as
>previously stated, this will only hurt things unless you've got more than 16MBs
>of RAM and are using whats above 16 as the RAMDrive.
>I personally have 20MB's of RAM and run a ~4MB RAMDrive with a great deal of
>success. However, if you are looking to speed up windows, the three things
>I've noted that work the best are:
> 1) A graphics accellerator card
> 2) A co-processor (Even an emulator helps!)
> 3) Some other disk-cache besides Smartdrive (I've tried several,
> and Lightning for Windows and Norton Cache give me major
> headaches as well.).
I think the purpose the original poster was trying to serve is to avoid the
SIGNIFICANT amount of disk access that Windows does on startup. It's like
it's trying to it's bit in wearing the damn drive out. I estimate it's only
reading a Mb of programs & data, but from the performance the drive gives, it
sounds like they are scattered all over the drive (my drive is however
regularily compressed). What is it that takes so much fuss. Perhaps if MS
would take the trouble to optimize this startup process, less people would
be wanting to find a solution themselves.
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Re: Welcome to Police State USA
In article <C5rusq.M6M@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, azoghlin@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Very Old Freshman (VOF)) writes:
> Critisism is too easy. What solutions do people have that would have been
> better than what the FBI had been doing for the last few months?
>
>
1. Withdraw
2. leave the people in the compund to lead their lives as they choose.
3. prosecute the BAFT agents for murder
--
Brandon Hutchison,University of Canterbury,Christchurch
New Zealand
| 18talk.politics.misc |
Re: Computer Engr vs. Computer Science
In article <1993Apr10.210242.340@macadam.com>, mike@macadam.com writes:
|> I am a freshman in college and can't decide whether to major in computer
|> engineering or computer science. Any advice or suggestions will be
|> appreciated.
|>
|> Thanks,
|> Mike
A professor of mine once said "The difference between a Computer Engineer and
a Computer Scientist is about $5000" meaning the Engineer makes $5000 more than
the CS.
Seriously though the main difference is that most CS people write programs that
people will use, i.e. database, graphics, word processors, etc., while an
engineer writes for machines or control systems, i.e. the "computer" in your
car, a flight control system, computer controled devices, etc. In other words
CS writes SOFTWARE while CSE writes FIRMWARE.
These are generalizations but for the most part that is what the difference is.
P.S. The $5000 is not just a joke
Scott
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Re: head-to-head win and os/2
I really think you are comparing apples and oranges. Nobody disputes
that OS/2 has more big OS features. The question is Does an
individual need the power. The sales of Windows vs OS/2 answer that
question. The next question is even if I did want to run OS/2
and I had this big monster machine to run it on, is there a diverse
set of applications to run on it that allow me to productviely do my
work. Go to your local computer store to answer this one.
I think the comparison you need to be doing is NT vs OS2/2.1. This
is where the new battle lines will be drawn. Windows 3.1 has won
the single user PC war the next one will be the client server
war and the entries are NT, OS2/2.1, UNIX and Netware 4.0.
Granted these OS's will be eventually scaled down to be
attractive to the single user PC and that will probably be phase II'
of the war. Who wins only the marketplace will tell but it sure
is fun watching and arguing about it tho.
Thx Dave L
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
WANTED: roller-blades
I'm looking for a pair of inline skates (aka roller blades) new or used for
less than $60.00 including shipping.
Size 11.
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"Son, I am able," she said, "though you scare me." "Watch," said I, "beloved."
--
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"Son, I am able," she said, "though you scare me." "Watch," said I, "beloved."
| 6misc.forsale |
Re: PENTIUM!
In a previous article, rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey) says:
>
>Just a qestion for all you pc-er's out there. Will the upcoming pentium
>systems be compatible with current simms and vlb cards? Any info would be
>helpful. I would just like to know before I plunk my $ on new hardware.
>
>Thanks
>BoB
>
Well, it all depends on the motherboard implimentation.
I'm sure someone will make a vlb motherboard that takes 1x9
simms and uses a pentium processor. I'm also sure that there
will be some motherboards that won't.
--
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
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