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From: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi)
Subject: DC-X: Choice of a New Generation (was Re: SSRT Roll-Out Speech)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: yuggoth.ces.cwru.edu
In-reply-to: jkatz@access.digex.com's message of 21 Apr 1993 22:09:32 -0400
In article <1r4uos$jid@access.digex.net> jkatz@access.digex.com (Jordan Katz) writes:
> Speech Delivered by Col. Simon P. Worden,
> The Deputy for Technology, SDIO
>
> Most of you, as am I, are "children of the 1960's." We grew
>up in an age of miracles -- Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles,
>nuclear energy, computers, flights to the moon. But these were
>miracles of our parent's doing.
> Speech by Pete Worden
> Delivered Before the U.S. Space Foundation Conference
> I'm embarrassed when my generation is compared with the last
>generation -- the giants of the last great space era, the 1950's
>and 1960's. They went to the moon - we built a telescope that
>can't see straight. They soft-landed on Mars - the least we
>could do is soft-land on Earth!
Just out of curiousity, how old is Worden?
--
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Brian Yamauchi Case Western Reserve University
yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu Department of Computer Engineering and Science
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From: dark1@netcom.com (Steven Seeger)
Subject: ANother Res QUestion!
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
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I asked a question a week or so ago about getting more res. on my monitor. I have a Magnavox MagnaScan/17 and am wondering what video cards it supports. ALso, does anybody have Magnavox's EMail ID (if there is one) or maybe a phone number? Please reply by email as I don't read much news.
Thanks,
Steve
--
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Steven D Seeger dark1@netcom.com~
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"String, he's going to blow us out of the sky!"
"Then why don't you hang your flabby behind out the window and BLOW him out of
the sky???" -- String & Dom, Airwolf :)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?
Reply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
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In article <1993Apr20.142356.456@ra.royalroads.ca> mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) writes:
>
>In article <C5rLps.Fr5@world.std.com>, jhallen@world.std.com (Joseph H Allen) writes:
>|> In article <1qvk8sINN9vo@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>|>
>|> It was interesting to watch the 700 club today. Pat Robertson said that the
>|> "Branch Dividians had met the firey end for worshipping their false god." He
>|> also said that this was a terrible tragedy and that the FBI really blew it.
>
>I don't necessarily agree with Pat Robertson. Every one will be placed before
>the judgement seat eventually and judged on what we have done or failed to do
>on this earth. God allows people to choose who and what they want to worship.
I'm sorry, but He does not! Ever read the FIRST commandment?
>Worship of money is one of the greatest religions in this country.
You mean, false religion!
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From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys)
Subject: Re: US-Made M-B SUV
Article-I.D.: dove.C52KE9.D6n
Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology
Lines: 47
In article <93096.101507RSM2@psuvm.psu.edu> <RSM2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Mercedes-Benz announced yesterday its plans to begin building sport-utility
>vehicles in the US by 1997. They are targeted at the Jeep Grand Cherokee
>et al. and will reportedly sell for less than $30,000.
>
>Did anyone see a picture? Is it the G-wagon (Gelaendewagen) currently
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There is a picture in the May 1993 edition of European Car (although,
it may not be on the shelf yet).
Some things that the article says:
- prototype has front wheel drive (first front drive
for Mercedes since the beginning of WWII)
- wheelbase 3.15m
- 7 seater
- they claim that the price will be about the same as a
Renault Espace or Chrysler Voyager (DM 50,000)
Looking at the picture (slightly disguised) it looks like the Ford
Aerostar, to me.
>available in Europe (and in the US by grey-market) or is it an entirely new
>vehicle? Any details would be appreciated.
>
>Dick Meyer
>Applied Research Laboratory, Penn State
.
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The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates
that you probably wouldn't understand anyway!
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From: reid@cs.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid)
Subject: Re: Cell Church discussion group
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Lines: 18
jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) writes:
>Please, define cell church. I missed it somewhere in the past when this
>was brought up before.
In a cell church, the fundamental building block is the "cell group" -- a
small group of no more than 15 believers. The small groups are responsible
for the ministry of the church: evangelism and discipleship. The emphasis
is on relationships, not on programs, and both the evangelism and the
discipling are relationship-based.
This will probably raise more questions than it answered, but that's it in
a nutshell.
--
******************************************************************
* Jon Reid * He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep *
* reid@cs.uiuc.edu * to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot *
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE
Nntp-Posting-Host: dhostwo.convex.com
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
not necessarily those of CONVEX.
Lines: 46
Dave Borden (borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu) wrote:
: The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the
: draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now,
: and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior
: with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us
: on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and
: Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to.
: Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time.
: Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit.
More "gridlock" talk from another relic of the past. The
Selective Service system creates jobs and is an investment in
the future of america......and whats wrong with that?
We need jobs because at this point in the recovery, the economy
should have generated 10 billion jobs and since it has not, the
government has to step in and help. Shutting down selective service
would cost "good jobs" and we can't do that.
What we really need is to involve selective service in a more
closely directed manner. We need the selective service involved
in environmental protection, high-speed rail, commuter aircraft,
civil rights, national service and health care. Every dollar
we put into selective service now will get us $10 less spending
in future.
I really believe now to think about it that selective service
is long-past due for the creation of a cabinet position.
Your not beyond hope, just get back on america's side and
start doing your part for change. What Bill needs from you
now is support for the economic stimulus and health care reform.
You need to devote all your energies to fighting gridlock and
supporting change. Get on the team. After all, the evil has
been banished from washington and the time for complaint
is past being neccessary.
And remember, Bill Clinton cares. He may someday even have
a town meeting in your city. If your an appropriate sort of
person, if you phrase your questions properly and show the
proper respect and awe, you might have the chance to ask Mr,
President your question in person.
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From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate)
Subject: Re: Torre: The worst manager?
Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering
Lines: 19
DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu said:
>No....Hal McRae is the worst manager in baseball. I've never seen a guy who
>can waste talent like he can. One of the best raw-talent staffs in the league,
>and he's still finding a way to lose. I'll be surprised if he makes it through
>the next 2 weeks, unless drastic improvement is made.
I'm confused. How is it Hal McRae's fault that he can't win with a team
whose best offensive player is Phil Hiatt? I mean, let's be real. Kansas
City will have to get outstanding years from their entire staff just to end
up near .500; they have less offense than any other team in baseball, even
if you count the expansion teams.
--
David M. Tate (dtate+@pitt.edu) | Greetings, sir, with bat not quick
member IIE, ORSA, TIMS, SABR | Hands not soft, eye not discerning
| And in Denver they call you a slugger?
"The Big Catullus" Galarraga | And compare you to my own Mattingly!?
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From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr)
Subject: Re: proposed catcher re-sub rule
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Lines: 11
NNTP-Posting-Host: achates.mit.edu
The Red Sox usually have 2 catchers. I don't think they have a backup now,
but they used to use Randy Kutcher as a backup catcher, as well as a middle
infielder and outfielder. You don't need a good 3rd catcher, just a
competent one, so you can afford to lose a little catching ability and pick
a player who can be of use elsewhere on the field.
--
John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu)
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From: koontzd@phobos.lrmsc.loral.com (David Koontz )
Subject: Will FEDs troll for mutilated law enforcement blocks?
Originator: koontzd@phobos
Organization: Loral Rolm Computer Systems
Lines: 121
From Denning:
the Skipjack encryption algorithm
F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips
N, a 30-bit serial number
U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip
E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and
E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement block.
Where the session key is K, and is transmitted encrypted in the unit Key U.
Which along with the serial number N is encrypted in the Family key F.
Presumably the protocol can be recovered (if by nothing else, differential
analysis).
Postulate if you will, a chip (or logic) sitting between the clipper chip
and its communications channel. The function of this spoof chip is twofold:
1) Transmit Channel
The spoof chip XORs the 30 bit encrypted serial number with
a secondary keying variable. This renders the serial number
unrecoverable with just the family key
2) Receive Channel
The spoof chip XORs the incoming encrypted serial number
with a secondary keying variable (assuming integrity of the
law enforcement block is necessary for local operation -
checksums, sequence control, etc.).
This has the net result of hiding the serial number. It is probable theere is
a known plaintext pattern used as a filler in the block containing N (34 bits
as used in generating U, U1,U2) correctness of the law enforcement block
can be determined with only the family key F. Whereas, no one has proposed
Federal Agencies be denied F, and because they could recover it themselves,
The correctness of the serial number can be tested by examining the pad bits
of N in E[N; F].
The one could selectively alter the law enforcement block as above, but the
mutilation could be detected. A better approach would be to mutilate the
entire law enforcement block. If it were done with a group encryption scheme
such as DES or (presumably) Skipjack, the chances the law enforcement block
can be recovered are lessened.
What do you want to bet the transmission protocol can be recognized and the
serial numbers decrypted in a target search? When digital transmission
becomes widely available, would there be a requirement that clipper protocol
transmissions be refused when containing mutilated law enforcement blocks?
One way to avoid notice, would be to spoof protocol information of the block
containing M, as well as spoofing the law enforcement block.
The goal is to use a secure communications scheme, without redress to
detection or key K interception (contained encrypted within the law
enforcement block). The data stream is returned to its original state
for use by the clipper chip (or system) if required, for proper operation.
It is somewhat improbable that the entire protocol will be contained within
the clipper chip, yet likely that sequence of events will be tested for,
requiring a valid law enforcement block to be received before accepting
and decrypting E(M; K);
The spoof chip could be implemented anywhere in the protocols, including
on the resulting serial data stream. Existing clipper products could
be subborned. After all, they are high security encryption systems right?
Super encipherment/encryption could allow the chip to be used without
redress to detection of the use of the chip, or disclosure of the serial
number. Security must be adequate to deny the serial number, which should
not be recoverable by other means. One can see the use of cut outs for
procurring clipper phones, or once the number of units is high enough,
stealing them. It would be a mistake on the part of authority, but nice
from a point of privacy, if the serial number N were not associated with
a particular clipper chip or lot of chips through the manufacturing and
distribution process. Hopefully the list of known missing or stolen
clipper serial numbers N encrypted with F, and the protocols are not
sufficient plaintext to attact the super encrypted clipper stream.
This could be further made difficult by altering the temporal and or
spatial relationship of the clipper stream to that of the super encrypted
stream.
Detection of an encrypted stream could tip off the use of the aforementioned
scheme.
******************************************************************************
If you could capture valid law enforcement blocks not your own, and use
them in a codebook sustitution with your own, where they point to a valid
law enforcement block stored in a library utilizing a session key matching
the remainder of the transmission, you could simply out and out lie, yet
deliver to monitoring and/or hostile forces a seemingly valid law enforcement
block. These captured law enforcement blocks would be used as authenticators,
such as in a manually keyed encryption system. Fending this off would require
escalation in examining the protocols and blocks in the transmission.
The M code stream might be independently attacked based on knowledge of
clipper chip protocols as revealed plaintext. This could be invalidated
by changing the temporal and or spatial relationship of the clipper M stream
and the actual transmitted stream, under the control of a secure key
generator synchronized between endpoints.
The useful life time of captured law enforcement blocks might be limited
based on hostile forces using them as targets following transmission
interception. You would need a large number of them, but, hey there's
supposed to be millions of these things, right? Adding time stamps to
the encrypted law enforcement block is probably impractical, who wants
an encryption chip with a real time clock?
*****************************************************************************
The entire idea of the law enforcement block can be invalidated.
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From: eachus@spectre.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus)
Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip)
In-Reply-To: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us's message of Wed, 21 Apr 93 00:12:30 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host: spectre.mitre.org
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
<1993Apr19.093227.1093@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
<1993Apr20.150531.2059@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
<1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com>
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smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
>Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack
>has 2^80 possible keys. Let's assume a brute-force engine like that
>hypothesized for DES: 1 microsecond per trial, 1 million chips. That's
>10^12 trials per second, or about 38,000 years for 2^80 trials. Well,
>maybe they can get chips running at one trial per nanosecond, and build
>a machine with 10 million chips. Sure -- only 3.8 years for each solution.
But there is a MUCH more pernicious problem with the scheme as
proposed. Building a brute force machine to test 2^40 possible keys
if you have the other half from one escrow agent is EASY. (One chip,
one test per microsecond gives you one break every two weeks, and that
break gives you all messages involving that phone.)
The XOR scheme so that the files from one escrow agent gives you
nothing is an improvement, but notice that XORing with (truely random)
bit strings allows for an arbitrary number of escrow agents. Using +
for XOR, SK for the escrowed key, and A and B for two random bit
strings, hand SK+A+B, SK+A, and SK+B to three escrow agents. It is
possible to come with an encoding scheme to match any escrow pattern,
for example 3 of 4, such that fewer cooperating escrow agents gives
the cracking agency no benefit.
--
Robert I. Eachus
with Standard_Disclaimer;
use Standard_Disclaimer;
function Message (Text: in Clever_Ideas) return Better_Ideas is...
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From: avi@duteinh.et.tudelft.nl (Avi Cohen Stuart)
Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II
Originator: avi@duteinh.et.tudelft.nl
Nntp-Posting-Host: duteinh.et.tudelft.nl
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Lines: 14
From article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu>, by Paul H. Pimentel <PP3903A@auvm.american.edu>:
> What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum? It is the home of the muslim a
> s well as jewish religion, among others. Heck, nobody ever mentions what Yitza
> k Shamir did forty or fifty years ago which is terrorize westerners much in the
> way Abdul Nidal does today. Seems Isrealis are nowhere above Arabs, so theref
> ore they have a right to Jerusaleum as much as Isreal does.
There is one big difference between Israel and the Arabs, Christians in this
respect.
Israel allows freedom of religion.
Avi.
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From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore)
Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS?
Article-I.D.: shelley.1r4cucINNham
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Lines: 18
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu
In article <1993Apr19.231050.2196@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com> babb@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com (Scott Babb) writes:
>Brian Day (bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov) wrote:
>: On December 29, 1992, it was illegal to operate a radar detector
>: in the state of Virginia. If one got caught, one got fined $65.00.
>The Federal Communications Act of 1934 made it *legal* for you to
>operate a radio receiver of any kind, on any frequency (including
>X, K, and Ka bands) in the United States.
And the Commonwealth of Virginia has not exactly butted
against the issue on those grounds. The claim is that AS A MATTER
OF TRAFFIC SAFETY one is not allowed to have a functioning radar
detector on the dashboard while operating a motor vehicle.
Yes, the argument is bogus, BUT... it hasn't been successfully
challenged in court. Yet.
John Whitmore
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From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott)
Subject: USENET Playoff Hockey Pool: Game 1 standings
Organization: IDACOM, A division of Hewlett-Packard
Lines: 224
Here are the standings after game 1 of each of the divisional semi-finals.
(Hey, look who's #4!) I'll try to post the standings after "each game"
(i.e. every two days).
I managed to recover the email lost up to Saturday night, so all I'm missing
is mail that arrived between early Saturday morning and Sunday afternoon.
Many people re-sent their teams, so you may have received two replies back
from me. If your team name is not on this list, please resend your team
to me and I'll see what I can do. Any kind of "proof" you sent it on the
weekend will help your case. :-) Seriously, this is only a fun pool and
I trust each person to be honest.
Again, sorry for any inconvenience, and I hope the pool is still fun for you.
- Andrew
USENET Hockey Playoff Draft Standings
Posn Team Pts Rem Last Posn
1. Sneddon Scorers 43 25 (--)
2. The Borg 42 25 (--)
Dave Wessels 42 25 (--)
4. Bruce's Rented Mules 41 25 (--)
Great Expectations 41 25 (--)
Hurricane Andrew 41 25 (--)
Jerky Boys 41 24 (--)
Homesick Hawaiian 41 25 (--)
9. give you money monday 40 25 (--)
Einstien's Punk Band 40 25 (--)
11. Zipper Heads 39 25 (--)
Tapio Repo 39 25 (--)
Detroit Homeboy 39 25 (--)
the dead ducks 39 25 (--)
Mike Burger 39 25 (--)
Test Department 39 25 (--)
Team Elvis 39 25 (--)
Craig team 39 25 (--)
19. Skate or Die 38 25 (--)
Debbie Bowles 38 25 (--)
Fuzzfaces Galore 38 25 (--)
suds 38 25 (--)
The Campi Machine 38 25 (--)
zachmans wingers 38 25 (--)
Sean Forbes 38 25 (--)
Threepeat 38 25 (--)
Flamming Senators 38 25 (--)
Team Awesome 38 25 (--)
A.P. BURY 38 25 (--)
PURDUE RICKS PENS 38 25 (--)
GB Flyers 38 25 (--)
Seppo Kemppainen 38 25 (--)
33. Paige Faults 37 25 (--)
weenies 37 25 (--)
chris roney 37 25 (--)
Rednecks from Hockey Hell 37 25 (--)
Dog's Hog's 37 25 (--)
Mind Sweepers 37 25 (--)
Teem Kanada 37 25 (--)
Northern Lights 37 25 (--)
Fugazi 37 25 (--)
Delaware Destroyers 37 25 (--)
Mopar Muscle Men 37 25 (--)
Lance Hill The Boston Bruins Fa 37 25 (--)
garryola 37 25 (--)
Oakville Brothers 37 25 (--)
Sam & His Dogs 37 25 (--)
Cluster Buster 37 24 (--)
Jan Stein 37 25 (--)
frank's little wankers 37 25 (--)
Milton Keynes Kings 37 25 (--)
The promise land 37 25 (--)
Rangers Of Destiny 37 25 (--)
54. New Zealand Leafs 36 25 (--)
Loaded Weapons 36 25 (--)
Bloom County All-Stars 36 25 (--)
Robarts Research Rebels 36 25 (--)
Tiger Chung Lees 36 25 (--)
goddess of fermentation 36 25 (--)
make beliefs 36 25 (--)
Rob Del Mundo 36 25 (--)
Heikki Salmi 36 25 (--)
The Underwriters 36 25 (--)
Muller n Walker 36 25 (--)
Controversy Warriors 36 25 (--)
Bjorkloven 36 25 (--)
Norway Killerwhales 36 25 (--)
Holsteins SFB 36 25 (--)
buffalo soldiers 36 25 (--)
Lemon Pepper Grizzly Bears 36 25 (--)
FRACK ATTACK 36 25 (--)
Houdini's Magicians 36 25 (--)
The ^&#@$#$% Rangers of 1940 36 24 (--)
Rangers Blow 36 25 (--)
75. Dave Hiebert 35 25 (--)
Yan Loke 35 25 (--)
Canadian Gladiators 35 25 (--)
littlest giants 35 25 (--)
Alf's All-Stars 35 25 (--)
The Ice Kickers 35 25 (--)
Beer Makes Me An Expert 35 25 (--)
Force 25 35 25 (--)
Mr Creosote 35 25 (--)
The Goobmeister 35 25 (--)
The Mulberry Maulers 35 25 (--)
Rev's Rebels 35 25 (--)
BOSSE 35 25 (--)
Zippety Doodah 35 25 (--)
Kramer George and Jerry 35 25 (--)
DehraDun Maawalis 35 25 (--)
Sludge 35 25 (--)
j's rock'em sock'ems 35 25 (--)
brians bloodletters 35 25 (--)
Grant Marven 35 25 (--)
Arctic Circles 35 25 (--)
all the kane's men 35 25 (--)
trevor's triumph 35 25 (--)
Mark And Steve Dreaming Again 35 25 (--)
Goaldingers 35 25 (--)
Bjoern Leaguen 35 25 (--)
Habs Playing Golf 35 25 (--)
102. Shigella 34 25 (--)
New Jersey Rob 34 25 (--)
Steves Superstars 34 25 (--)
Big Bay Bombers 34 25 (--)
Doug Bowles 34 25 (--)
Neural Netters 34 25 (--)
LIPPE 34 25 (--)
Lets Go Pandas 34 25 (--)
Les Raisins 34 25 (--)
Daves knee jerk picks 34 25 (--)
Monica Loke 34 25 (--)
Jason team 34 25 (--)
RENEB 34 25 (--)
Schott Shooters 34 25 (--)
Gilles Carmel 34 25 (--)
Lewey's Lakers 34 25 (--)
smithw 34 25 (--)
East City Jokers 34 25 (--)
Daryl Turner 34 25 (--)
Doug Mraz 34 25 (--)
Skriko Wolves 34 25 (--)
IceMachine 34 25 (--)
Lamp Lighters 34 25 (--)
On Thin Ice 34 25 (--)
JOE'S A CRAK HEAD 34 25 (--)
127. Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta) 33 25 (--)
Comfortably Numb 33 25 (--)
Reksa fans of Oulu 33 25 (--)
Gail Hiebert 33 25 (--)
gee man 33 25 (--)
But Wait Theres more 33 25 (--)
marcs maulers 33 25 (--)
Danielle Leblanc 33 25 (--)
Bobby Schmautz Fan Club 33 25 (--)
Ottawa Bearcats 33 25 (--)
Boops Bets 33 25 (--)
triple X 33 25 (--)
Timo Ojala 33 25 (--)
Flying pigs 33 25 (--)
141. The Eradicators 32 25 (--)
Van Isle Colonists 32 25 (--)
Commitments 32 25 (--)
bure's blur 32 25 (--)
Great Scott 32 25 (--)
weasels 32 25 (--)
Tequila Shooters 32 25 (--)
Whiters 32 25 (--)
Frasses Faceplants 32 25 (--)
High Stickers 32 25 (--)
Mak Paranjape 32 25 (--)
Lord Stanley's Favourites 32 25 (--)
San Jose Mahi Mahi 32 25 (--)
Oz 32 25 (--)
E.I.S 32 25 (--)
Mann Mariners 32 24 (--)
JFZ Dream Team 32 25 (--)
Stacey Ross 32 25 (--)
Louisiana Psycho Killers 32 25 (--)
La Coupe Stainless 32 25 (--)
161. fighting amish 31 25 (--)
Evan Pritchard 31 25 (--)
Stanias Stars 31 25 (--)
Pens Dynasty 31 25 (--)
oceanweavers 31 25 (--)
go go gagit 31 25 (--)
Myllypuro Hedgehogs 31 25 (--)
Arm & Hammer 31 25 (--)
Legzryx 31 25 (--)
Chapman Chaps 31 25 (--)
Dean Martin 31 25 (--)
Cherry Bombers 31 25 (--)
173. Sluggo's Hosers 30 25 (--)
Anson Mak 30 25 (--)
Knights on a Power Play 30 25 (--)
176. Canuck Force 29 25 (--)
butt ends 29 25 (--)
beam team 29 25 (--)
JUKURIT 29 25 (--)
Chapman Sticks 29 25 (--)
Ken De Cruyenaere 29 25 (--)
gax goons 29 25 (--)
Tampere Salami 29 25 (--)
Sparky's Select 29 25 (--)
185. Hillside Raiders 28 25 (--)
Eldoret Elephants 28 25 (--)
Jane's World 28 25 (--)
the ALarmers 28 25 (--)
189. Rolaids Required 27 25 (--)
Chip n Dale 27 25 (--)
Brian Bergman 27 25 (--)
192. Killer Kings 26 25 (--)
Montys Nords 26 25 (--)
194. Arsenal Maple Leafs 25 18 (--)
Martin's Gag 25 25 (--)
196. Equipe Du Jour 24 25 (--)
197. lisa's luggers 23 25 (--)
--
Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com
HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253
During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old...
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Subject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals
From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR.
Lines: 33
In article <1993Apr3.081052.11292@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
>I propose
>that these two trends -- greater level of general depression in society
>(and other psychological problems) and greater sexual promiscuity -- are
>linked, with the latter being a prime cause of the former. I cannot
>provide any evidence beyond this at this stage, but the whole thesis
>seems very reasonable to me and I request that people ponder upon it.
>
Damn right you can't provide any evidence for it.
Rarely are any widespread social phenomenon reducible to such a
simple premise. If they were, psychology would be a hard science
with roughly the same mathematical soundness as physics.
Your premise may well be right. It is much more likely, however,
that it reflects your socialization and religious background, as
well as your need to validate your religious beliefs. Were I to
pretend to have all the answers (and I don't), I would say that the
xenophobia, guilt, and intolerance brought about by adherence to
fundamentalist religions play just as large a role in depressing
the members of our society.
Your mileage obviously varies.
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM
They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: tommy@boole.att.com (Tommy Reingold)
Subject: RFD: rec.autos.saab
Article-I.D.: rodan.1psb8qINNbb2
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ, USA
Lines: 42
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
This is a request for discussion on the creation of a newsgroup
concerning Saab cars. It will allow participaants to exchange
information on purchasing, maintaining, repairing, and outfitting
Saabs.
Group Name:
rec.autos.saab
Status:
Unmoderated
Rationale:
There may be enough people with Saab cars or interested in
buying a Saab or interested in knowing more about Saabs for any
reason to justify such a new newsgroup. The recent growth of
the net could improve the turnaround time between posing a
question and receiving answers from the community.
Discussion:
Comments on this proposed new newsgroup should be posted to the
USENET Newsgroup "news.groups". If the reader is not able to
do so, comments may be e-mailed to the proposer, at the address
below.
Voting:
If no problems arise, voting will start 1 month from the
posting date of this RFD.
Proposer:
Tommy Reingold tommy@boole.att.com
--
Tommy Reingold
AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ
tommy@boole.att.com or att!boole!tommy
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From: wow@cup.portal.com (wallace otis waggoner)
Subject: 2 SMC 270E ARCNET cars for sale $50ea.
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
Lines: 4
I have 2 new SMC 270E ARCNET cards for sale . They are brand new. $50 each
wow@cup.portal.com
Wally Waggoner
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From: jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew)
Subject: Re: the call to space (was Re: Clueless Szaboisms )
Keywords: trumpet calls, infrastructure, public perception
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide
Lines: 32
In article <1pfj8k$6ab@access.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
>In article <1993Mar31.161814.11683@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>It isn't feasible for Japan to try to stockpile the amount of oil they
>>would need to run their industries if they did no use nuclear power.
>Of course, Given they export 50 % of the GNP, What do they do.
Well they don't export anywhere near 50% of their GNP. Mexico's perhaps
but not their own. They actually export around the 9-10% mark. Similar
to most developed countries actually. Australia exports a larger share
of GNP as does the United States (14% I think off hand. Always likely to
be out by a factor of 12 or more though) This would be immediately obvious
if you thought about it.
>Anything serious enough to disrupt the sea lanes for oil will
>also hose their export routes.
It is their import routes that count. They can do without exports but
they couldn't live without imports for any longer than six months if that.
>Given they import everything, oil is just one more critical commodity.
Too true! But one that is unstable and hence a source of serious worry.
Joseph Askew
--
Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades,
jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief.
Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere,
Actually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on.
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From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang)
Subject: Panasonic answering machine forsale
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Lines: 3
Auto Logic Panasonic answering machine with dual cassette system. I will
include cassettes and AC power adaptor. Excellent condition. Asking $30 with
accessories.
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From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith)
Subject: Re: Trickle down (Was: 1937 was: Dan Quayle, genius
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Lines: 36
garrett@Ingres.COM writes:
>rn11195@medtronic.COM (Robert Nehls) writes...
>>Jason K. Schechner (jks2x@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
>>: In article <1pf22mINNd7c@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> jwh@citi.umich.edu writes:
>>: >What decade did you live in? Unemployment dropped during the 80's,
>>: >inflation dropped during the 80's and interest rates dropped during
>>: >the 80's.
>>: This all may be true, but we're paying for it now, through the
>>: nose. Our current recession (and some would argue the world's
^^^^^^^^^
>>First off, we're not in a recession. We've had a record number of months of
>>straight economic growth. Even the democrats are admitting that the
>>recession ofcicially ended in March of 1991.
>This months's unemployment rate in California was 9.4%
>Sure feels like a recession to me.
Maybe we should ask the 83,103 people who were laid off this January whether
or not we're in a recession. That was a figure that was reported in the
New York Times. There is no official figure, because the Bureau of Labor
Statistics stopped government tracking of layoffs eight months ago due to
budget cuts.
(The above information was published in Harper's Index, Harper's magazine.)
-----
Eric Smith | The day Dan Quayle is our President is the day
erics@netcom.com | Shelley Winters runs with the bulls in Pamplona.
erics@infoserv.com | - Dennis Miller
CI$: 70262,3610 |
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From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP
Organization: QueerNet
Lines: 10
Interesting. I'd fight the ticket. First off, there's a 50/50 chance
the cop won't show up. Secondly, if he does show up, you should point
out that he lied (purgered) on the ticket. Why 70+? I beleive that if
yo're charged with going more than 15mph that the posted speed it's a
more severe ticket. You couldn't have p[ossibly been going 70+, right?!
--
| max@queernet.org | Max J. Rochlin | {uunet,sgi}!unpc!max |
+------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Protect me from what I want... |
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From: dwatson@cser.encore.com (Drew Watson)
Subject: Ethics vs. Freedom
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Lines: 70
Being a parent in need of some help, I ask that you bear with me while I
describe the situation which plagues me...
I am a divorced father. Chance would have it that "my weekend" with my
daughter has fallen upon Easter Weekend this year.
Although I am Presbyterian, I had married a Catholic woman. We decided
that the Catholic moray of indoctrination of the spouse into the faith
was too confining (and restrictive due to time as we had already set a
date), and we were married in a Christian Church which was non-denominational.
During the years of our marriage, we did not often attend church.
When our daughter was born, some years later, my wife insisted that she
be baptised as Catholic. This wasn't a problem with me.
During a separation of five years, my ex-wife was taken ill with a disease
that affected her mental capacities. She was confined to a mental ward for
two months before it was diagnosed. It has since been treated "effectively".
In other words, professionals have deemed her a functioning member of society.
During the recuperation, my ex-wife has embraced Buddism. Her influence over
my daughter has been substantial, and has primarily allowed me only Saturday
visitation for a number of years. During this period I have read Bible study
books to my daughter, and tried to keep her aware of her Christian heritage.
Last fall, our divorce was finalized after a year of viscious divorce hearings.
At that time I was awarded visitation rights every other weekend. At that time,
I started taking my daughter to church quite often, although not every weekend.
I did this to attempt to strengthen the Christian ethic and expose her to a
religious community.
Today, Easter Sunday, I took my daughter to church. When it came time for
Communion, my daughter took the bread (The body of Christ) but left the wine
(The blood of Christ) professing that she was too young for wine. She then
balled the bread up in her hand and tried to descretely throw it under the
pew in front of us.
I feel this was a slap in the face to me, my religion, and an afront to her
religious heritage. It can be construed as breaking several of the commandments
if you try. I really felt dishonored by the action.
My daughter is only nine years old, but I think she should have been old and
mature enough to realize her actions. I have difficulty blaming her directly
for religious teachings her mother swears to, but when I discussed this with
my daughter she made it clear she believed in Buddhism and not Christianity.
My initial response of anger (moderated) was to suggest if there is no faith
in Christ then why does she celebrate Easter, or Christmas? I suggested I
would never force her to practice my religious beliefs by celebrating holidays
with her again.
I do not want to "drive her from the fold", and would be willing to allow her
to continue practicing Buddhism (as though I had a choice seeing her only
for two days out of fourteen) but I want her to want to embrace Christianity.
Any suggestions?
If you have a response, please e-mail me a copy. (I'm not a regular reader
of this newsgroup.) (Naturally, feel free to post too!)
Thanks, and I hope you've had a happy Easter.
Drew
--
Drew Watson Systems analysis Encore Computer Corp
dwatson@encore.com (301)497-1800 || (703)691-3500 Customer services
=============================================================================
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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement
Organization: DSI/USCRPAC
Lines: 23
grady@netcom.com suggests using a common but restricted-distribution private
key to allow public key system encrypted postings. In theory that will work
fine as long as the privae key remains secure.
In practice it would be a good idea to check to see if that would be a
violation of some net rule, practice, custom, etc. I don't say it would be,
just that it would be a good idea to check. This is not like rot13 where
everybody can have the key trivially.
It would also be a good idea to check to see if such posts would be
forwarded by the sites needed to make the chain work.
Of course there'd be no problem with a discussion group travelling over
facilities entirely under the control of the members. Probably there would
also be no problem with a mailing list approach. It might even be fun for
some.
--
David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of
our information, errors and omissions excepted.
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From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte)
Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Lines: 34
Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se
In <C5npy2.LI3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) writes:
>Not quite. 66MHz Pentium - 65 SPECint92, 57 SPECfp92 .
> 66MHz MC98601 - 50 SPECint92, 80 SPECfp92 .
But the interesting comparision is how fast clock-cycle chips
you can get - an Alpha is WAY slow at 66 MHz, but blazes at
200 MHz.
>>680040
>>486
>As far as the 486DX2-66 goes - 32 SPECint92, 16 SPECfp92 .
But the 68040 is (or will soon be) available in 40 MHz version,
making it "comparable" to a 486DX2-80
>Intel chips have traditionally been faster than their Motorola "equivalents"
>although the significance of chip speed in real world application performance
>is something that is highly debatable.
I think you have that one turned around; they have faster clock
cycles but less power behind each cycle. Not to mention that the
Intel instruction stream is BYTE-oriented (longest Intel instruction
is 15 bytes; what an odd number :-) which makes it hard to do any
intelligent memory subsystem.
Cheers,
/ h+
--
-- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --
This article printed on 100% recycled electrons.
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From: jobin@server.uwindsor.ca (Scarecrow)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada
Lines: 37
seningen@maserati.ross.com (Mike Seningen)
> 85 Mph speedos -- esp. the electronic ones.
>
> The digital dash of the 87 cougars with the large analog clock in
> the middle of the dash -- everything was digital except the stinking clock?
The funny thing about the digital dash (87 T-bird) with the 85mph speedo
limit was that if you pressed the button to convert to kilometers it would
read all the way up to 187kph. At this point the stock anemic 302 would get
short of breath. This of course was equivalent to about 116mph (hehe).I bet
I really coulda confused this thing if I'd toyed with the engine and rolled
the stupid thing (the digits were limited to 199).
I've gotta agree with ya on the analog clock w/digital dash though. My
girlfriend had a '85 TurboCoupe with a digital clock and analog gauges/radio.
Go figure...
usenet@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu (Usenet Administrator)
> I love the keyless entry on my T-Bird; it's great for those times that
> I had to stop to put air in my tires. I could get out and lock the door
> with the engine running while I ran around to air up the tire. It also
I had a great feature on my T-bird.... I could pull the key out and
leave the ignition on. This scared the hell out of me the first time it
happened but I kinda grew to like it. Musta been a bad key copy or
something.
Mark Novakovic
-----
"There is no god up in the sky tonight __ _
no sign of heaven anywhere in sight" -nin /_/\/\ "Jesus loves ya. Blow me."
_ _ __ _ _ \_\ / -- In tribute to my former
/ \/ \ /||\ / \|\ / \\ / /_/ \ area supervisor Jim Bonneau
\ / / || \__/ | \/ \\ / \_\/\ \ and the infamous Bonneau Math
\\ /__||_/ \ |_/\ / \ / / \_\/ (demoted not departed)
\_/ \_// || \__ \_/| \ \_/ \/ \/ Ministry
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From: pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering)
Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana
Lines: 8
The only ether I see here is the stuff you must
have been breathing before you posted...
--
Phil Fraering |"Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff.
pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison." Repo Man
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From: howardy@freud.nia.nih.gov (Howard Wai-Chun Yeung)
Subject: need shading program example in X
Organization: (Natl. Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD)
Distribution: na
Lines: 9
Do anyone know about any shading program based on Xlib in the public domain?
I need an example about how to allocate correct colormaps for the program.
Appreciate the help.
Howard.
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From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: KORESH IS GOD!
In-Reply-To: mathew's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14: 15:20 +0100
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp
<930416.141520.7h1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>
Lines: 12
>>>>> On Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14:15:20 +0100, mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> said:
m> The latest news seems to be that Koresh will give himself up once he's
m> finished writing a sequel to the Bible.
Also, it's the 16th now. Can the Feds get him on tax evasion? I don't
remember hearing about him running to the Post Office last night.
--
Ed McCreary ,__o
edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<,
"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao." (*)/'(*)
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From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Steve Holland)
Subject: Re: Crohn's Disease
Organization: UAB - Gastroenterology
Lines: 32
In article <1993Apr14.174824.12295@westminster.ac.uk>, kxaec@sun.pcl.ac.uk
(David Watters) wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I am a Crohn's Disease sufferer and I'm interested if anyone knows of any current research that is going on into the subject. I've done some investigation myself so you don't need to spare me any details. I've had the fistulas, the ileostomy, etc..
>
> Is a "cure" on the horizon ?
>
> I am not in the medical profession so if you do reply I would appreciate plain speak.
>
> I'd prefer to be mailed direct as I don't always get a chance to read the news.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Dave.
The best group to keep you informed is the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation
of America. I do not know if the UK has a similar organization. The
address of
the CCFA is
CCFA
444 Park Avenue South
11th Floor
New York, NY 10016-7374
USA
They have a lot of information available and have a number of newsletters.
Good Luck.
Steve
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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: RE Aftermarket A/C units
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Lines: 29
>Les Bartel's comments:
>>>>Sorry I can't help you with your question, but I do have a comment to
>>make concerning aftermarket A/C units. I have a Frost-King or Frost-Temp
>>(forget which) aftermarket unit on my Cavalier, and am quite unhappy with
>>it. The fan is noisy, and doesn't put out much air. I will never have
>>an aftermarket A/C installed in any of my vehicles again. I just can't
>>trust the quality and performance after this experience.
>> - les
>
>Let me add my .02 in. I had a A/C installed by the Ford garage and it did not
>work as well as the A/C that was installed by the factory in pickups
>identical to mine. I have talked to other people that have had the same
>result. Don't know if this is just a probable with Ford or what??
>
> Ernie Smith
i agree, *never* have the dealer add anything to your car. if you want a/c
make sure it is factory installed(honda's maybe excluded, many can't be
bought with a/c installed at the factory, but i think, maybe, they actually
use all the needed parts for a true factory install when they put one in...as
in bigger radiator etc...or are designed properly for this in the 1st place),
anyway, my point is the dealer installed a/c won't be anywhere near as good
as factory *and* the service bums will mess up your car when installing it...
scratches, screwdriver holes in seats...parts not reinstalled correctly or
with all the screws etc. i know a guy who has been service manager at a gm
dealer for 18 years...he said never have a dealer add anything to your car...
except, maybe, floormats...
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From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira)
Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: na
Lines: 30
>Something else to consider:
>Alomar's H-R splits were .500-.363 SLG, .444-.369 OBP! Baerga's was .486-.424
>and .392-.318. Pretty clearly, Alomar got a HUGE boost from his home park.
Not necessarily. It could mean that, or it could mean that he just hit
a lot better at home than he did on the road (see Frank Thomas' home/road
splits in '91 for an example). I would guess that some of Alomar's split
is due to the Skydome, but most of it is probably due just to coincidence.
There's no way to be sure, of course, but the only hitters the Skydome
seems to regularly help a lot are right handed home run hitters, and
Alomar is not a home run hitter.
>I'd say you could make a good for them being about equal right now. T&P
>rated Baerga higher, actually.
Only because of t&P's bogus fielding stats, which rate Alomar as the worst
defensive second baseman in the league. On a career basis, I think T&P's
fielding stats may mean something, but on a seasonal basis it comes up
with ridiculous results like this. Alomar may not be the god of fielding
the media says he is, but he sure isn't the worst in baseball.
Offensively, T&P rate Alomar much higher last year.
Regarding the A vs. B argument, I'll just say they're both very good players
with different strengths and a bright future.
Greg
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From: BOCHERC@hartwick.edu
Subject: Does God Love You?
Lines: 5
I simply wish to thank Dave Mielke (dave@bnr.ca) for sharing the
tract concerning God's love. It was most welcome to me and a great
source of comfort.
Carol Bocher
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From: keiths@spider.co.uk (Keith Smith)
Subject: win/NT file systems
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.
Lines: 6
Nntp-Posting-Host: trapdoor.spider.co.uk
OK will some one out there tell me why / how DOS 5
can read (I havn't tried writing in case it breaks something)
the Win/NT NTFS file system.
I thought NTFS was supposed to be better than the FAT system
keith
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From: horton@what.sps.mot.com (David Horton)
Subject: Re: Macs suck! Buy a PC!
Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.10.249.26
Organization: Motorola Inc. MMTG Oakhill Austin Texas
Lines: 7
In article <C5ouop.F9t@news2.cis.umn.edu> horton@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Robert Horton) writes:
>
>Tests suck! Post a real message!
>:^)
Presumably Erme Maula is testing the size limits of his email account.
That's erme@pobox.upenn.edu for those who missed it.
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From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky)
Subject: Re: Deir Yassin
In-Reply-To: aurag@ERE.UMontreal.CA's message of Fri, 23 Apr 1993 18:48:15 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University
Lines: 44
In article <martinb.735590895@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA> aurag@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Aurag Hassan) writes:
Are you trying to say that there were no massacres in Deir Yassin
or in Sabra and Shatila? If so then let me tell you some good jokes:
There is not and was not any such thing like jewish killing in WWII
Palestinians just did what Davidians did for fourty years and more.
In fact no one was killed in any war at any time or any place.
People die that is all. No one gets killed.
Maybe also vietamiese didn't die in Vietnam war killed by american
napalm they were just pyromaniacs and that's all.
Maybe jews just liked gas chambers and no one forced them to get in there.they
may be thought it was like snifing cocaine. No?
What do you think of this ? Isn't it stupid to say so?
Well it is as stupid as what you said .Next time you want to lie do it
intelligently.
Sincerely yours.
Hassan
Arab civilians did die at Dir yassin. But there was no massacre. First
of all, the village housed many *armed* troops. Secondly, the Irgun
and Stern fighters had absolutely no intentions of killing civilians.
The village was attacked only for its military significance. In fact,
a warning was given to the occupants of the village to leave before
the attack was to begin.
By all rational standards, Dir Yassin was not a massacre. The killing
was unintentional. The village housed Arab snipers and Arab troops.
Thus it was attacked for its military significance. It was not
attacked with intentions of killing any civilians.
To even compare Dir Yassin, in which some 120 or so Arabs died, to the
Holocaust is absurd. The Irgun did not want to kill any civilians. The
village had almost 1000 inhabitants, most of whom survived.
Harry.
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From: DKELO@msmail.pepperdine.edu (Dan Kelo)
Subject: M-81 Supernova
X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest
Organization: [via International Space University]
Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU
Distribution: sci
Lines: 7
How 'bout some more info on that alleged supernova in M-81?
I might just break out the scope for this one.
____________________________________________________
"No sir, I don't like it! "-- Mr. Horse
Dan Kelo dkelo@pepvax.pepperdine.edu
____________________________________________________
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From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Subject: Re: LH car order delay
Article-I.D.: shaman.3038
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon
Lines: 13
[]
"I read an article in the 3/25 Chicago Tribune stating that
Chrysler is having problems addressing the demand for the 3.5L
engine for it's LH cars. Can anyone post how long they are
waiting for an ordered car or how long they have been told
they'll have to wait??"
Ordered mine December 30, got it nine weeks later. But the dealer said
that *new* orders were being held up -- he didn't expect to see any
more 3.5L-engine LHs for awhile.
-=- Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
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From: syck5280@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Steven B Syck)
Subject: Re: Don't knock the Glock (was Re: My Gun is like my Am Ex Card)
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Lines: 61
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.9.13
In article <93105.164406U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>All very true. I'm going on what I have read and heard from friends.
>Basically the Glock is great but I have heard/read that it is a lot harder to
>learn proper handling because of the type of safety that it has. I was
>looking at a Glock .40S&W and the S&W 4006 a couple of weeks ago and the
>safties on the guns were very different. The saftey on the 4006 seemed a lot
>more "safe" (for lack of a better word) than the one on the Glock. Of course
>this could also be a bad thing if you were to pull the gun on somebody. You
>would spend more time fiddling around turning the safety off. Personally I
>like the Glocks because they are very light and I think they look really cool
>(guess that's why they use them in so many movies) but I wouldn't get one as
>my first semi-auto because of the safety. I would prefer more training with
>a "traditional" semi-auto (ala Colt .45) but of course that's just my opinion.
>
>Jason
At the risk of starting the 'my gun is better than yours' flame
war, I must disagree.
There is no secret in handling a Glock. In fact, it is often
chosen (besides its other merits) because it shoots like a revolver does
basically. It can limit the training time (read budget $$$) due to the
fact there are no 'external' safties other than the trigger, hence less
training time required.
Smith & Wesson (among other types) are chosen due to the fact taht
they do have the external safties (hammer drop,as well as mag drop) which
if properly used have saved many lives when 'Mr. Bad' snatched the gun
from the officer and tried to shoot said officer the gun was on safe and
would not fire. This point had been made in many articles in various
gun magazines. If fact, one author (can't remember who) staged a little
test where he had a revolver and a S&W on safe laying on a table and asked
people with little firearms experience to on his signal, grab the gun and
shoot a target. He timed the people using each gun. The revolver times
were pretty close, but some of the times with the S&W were in minutes, or
the person just gave up because they could not figure out the saftey.
You don't often see Colt 45 autos issued due to the light trigger
which can be accidentally fired in a stress situation, opening the issuing
city,county, etc.. to lawsuits, bad press, etc..
Of course any problem can be overcome with enough training, but
such training is not always available to budget crunched departments. I
know if I were a Cop I would want something like a S&W just for the off
chance of the gun getting taken away. The safety doesn't guarantee that
'Mr. Bad' won't figure it out and shoot me, but it could buy enough time
to draw a second gun and shoot 'Mr. Bad' before it's too late.
Don't think I am too biassed here just because I have had 3 Glocks
in my possession at one time, because I have had a .45 as well. In fact,
it was my first handgun. Remember, the ultimate 'safety' is YOU the
operator, and no safety is going to stop an negligent discharge (note I
don't say accidental) if you break the rules of gun handling.
As per the part of being light weight and looking cool, I agree
100%. I wouldn't rule it out as a first purchase.
-Just my $.02 + tax
------- Steve Syck syck5280@miller.cs.uwm.edu --------
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From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin)
Subject: Re: Temper tantrums from the 1960's
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
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Distribution: usa
<1993Apr5.193616.14521@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> <philC51D4F.G2J@netcom.com>
Reply-To: Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ab20.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: phil@netcom.com's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 00:24:14 GMT
In article <philC51D4F.G2J@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
-> In article <1993Apr5.193616.14521@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes:
-> >Now let me get this straight. After a nice, long rant about
-> >how people need to take personal responsibility for their
-> >economic and social lives, all of a sudden 1960's radicals
-> >(such as me, I guess) are responsible for poor people's
-> >lifestyles? Tell me how that works--or do you think that poor
-> >people are just too dumb to think for themselves?
-> >
-> >There are many reasons for the disintegration of the family
-> >and support systems in general among this nation's poor.
-> >Somehow I don't think Murphy Brown--or Janis Joplin--is at
-> >the top of any sane person's list.
-> >
-> >You want to go after my generation's vaunted cultural
-> >revolution for a lasting change for the worse, try so-called
-> >"relevant" or "values" education. Hey, it seemed like a good
-> >idea at the time. How were we to know you needed a real
-> >education first--I mean, we took that for granted.
->
-> The 1960's generation were the most spoiled and irresponsible.
->
-> The Depression had create mothers and fathers that were determined that their
-> kids would not want for anything -- going overboard and creating a nation of
-> brats.
->
-> Consider the contrast between two famous events in July of 1969.
->
-> Apollo 11 and Woodstock.
->
-> Which group had large numbers of people that could not feed themselves and
-> reverted to the cultural level of primitives (defecation in public etc.).
->
-> And which group assembled, took care of itself, and dispersed with no damage,
-> no deaths, no large numbers of drug problems ....
->
Wasn't Woodstock also called the biggest parking lot in
history? They rejected society and went back to nature in their
parent's cars.
--
Jason C. Austin
j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov
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From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Karen Black (karen@angelo.amd.com) wrote:
: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
: >Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:
: >: English cars:-
: >
: >: Rover, Reliant, Morgan, Bristol, Rolls Royce, etc.
: > ^^^^^^
: > Talk about Harleys using old technology, these
: >Morgan people *really* like to use old technology.
: Well, if you want to pick on Morgan, why not attack its ash (wood)
: frame or its hand-bent metal skin (just try and get a replacement :-)).
: I thought the kingpost suspension was one of the Mog's better features.
Hey! I wasn't picking on Morgan. They use old technology. That's all
I said. There's nothing wrong with using old technology. People still
use shovels to dig holes even though there are lots of new powered implements
to dig holes with.
--
*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck (703) 231-9503 Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va. *
*******************************************************************************
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Lines: 14
In article <1qnns0$4l3@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
>The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of
>a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving
>the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the
>most likely explanation for events.
You forgot the smiley-face.
I can't believe this is what they turn out at Berkeley. Tell me
you're an aberration.
--
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu (Brian Cherkauer)
Subject: Re: IIvx -> C650 Upgrade Question
Distribution: comp
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science
Lines: 18
In article <JAS.93Apr16125049@tigger.ISI.EDU> jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes:
>If you get teh IIvx ->C650 upgrade, does it include a new sticker to
>cover the IIvx identifier with a Centris 650 indetifier?
I can't say for sure with the IIvx -> C650 upgrade, but I wondered the
same thing when I ordered my LC -> LC III upgrade. Turns out the "upgrade"
is actually an entire CPU minus any disk drives. You pull the floppy and
hard drives out of the old one, stick them in the new one, and you've got
an LC III.
The IIvx -> C650 may be the same thing.
It might be something to look into for those people who are unhappy that
Apple only sells Macs pre-packaged with the drives. Of course, the price
is quite a bit higher without the trade-in...
(-Brian
cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu
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From: djf@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Marvin Batty)
Subject: Re: Moon Colony Prize Race! $6 billion total?
Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysk
Organization: Starfleet, Coventry, UK
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In article <1993Apr20.020259.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:
>I think if there is to be a prize and such.. There should be "classes"
>such as the following:
>
>Large Corp.
>Small Corp/Company (based on reported earnings?)
>Large Government (GNP and such)
>Small Governemtn (or political clout or GNP?)
>Large Organization (Planetary Society? and such?)
>Small Organization (Alot of small orgs..)
Whatabout, Schools, Universities, Rich Individuals (around 250 people
in the UK have more than 10 million dollars each). I reecieved mail
from people who claimed they might get a person into space for $500
per pound. Send a skinny person into space and split the rest of the money
among the ground crew!
>
>The organization things would probably have to be non-profit or liek ??
>
>Of course this means the prize might go up. Larger get more or ??
>Basically make the prize (total purse) $6 billion, divided amngst the class
>winners..
>More fair?
>
>There would have to be a seperate organization set up to monitor the events,
>umpire and such and watch for safety violations (or maybe not, if peopel want
>to risk thier own lives let them do it?).
>
Agreed. I volunteer for any UK attempts. But one clause: No launch methods
which are clearly dangerous to the environment (ours or someone else's). No
usage of materials from areas of planetary importance.
>Any other ideas??
Yes: We should *do* this rather than talk about it. Lobby people!
The major problem with the space programmes is all talk/paperwork and
no action!
>==
>Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
>
>
--
****************************************************************************
Marvin Batty - djf@uk.ac.cov.cck
"And they shall not find those things, with a sort of rafia like base,
that their fathers put there just the night before. At about 8 O'clock!"
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From: russ@deakin.OZ.AU (Russ Sharp)
Subject: Character missing in TTF
Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia
Lines: 22
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.eng.deakin.oz.au
Word 2.0c doesn't show the period-centred character to indicate
spaces if I use the TTFonts from CorelDraw. Our editors need to
be able to see how many spaces are in text but the character
displayed is a large hollow box. They overlap each other and
characters on each side, which is useless.
I believe the character used by W4W is the period-centred (0183).
This character shows up with the windows Charmap display as the
hollow box which tends to confirm this. I have edited the corel
font with Fontmonger and changing the font graphics for the 0183
character makes no difference to the font output in Charmap or W4W.
Altering the paragraph (0182) or cedilla (0184) does alter their font
graphics displayed however!!
Is the W4W character used to indicate spaces the period-centred
character? Has anyone been able to get this character displayed
from a CorelDraw TTF?
--
____
Russ Sharp russ@deakin.edu.au ph (052)27 1141 fax (052)27 2015 \ /
Deakin University, School of Engineering & Technology, Geelong, Australia \/
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From: reeds@alice.att.com (Jim Reeds)
Subject: Re: Patents (was RC2 RC4)
Summary: Pop patent law
Article-I.D.: alice.25313
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ
Lines: 13
In article <matt-160493203627@wardibm2.med.yale.edu>, matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy) writes:
and
> bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) wrote:
and
> > ahaley@eoe.co.uk (Andrew Haley) writes:
about Coca-Cola and Pepsi Cola and what they can teach us.
Surely, if we must use pop patent law examples to discuss RC2 and RC4,
it would make more sense to consider the case of RC Cola?
Jim Reeds
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From: (Phil Bowermaster)
Subject: C. S. Lewis is OK (was Ancient Books)
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Lines: 49
In article <Apr.14.03.07.58.1993.5438@athos.rutgers.edu>,
mayne@ds3.scri.fsu.edu (Bill Mayne) wrote:
>
> The last sentence is ironic, since so many readers of
> soc.religion.christian seem to not be embarrassed by apologists such as
> Josh McDowell and C.S. Lewis. The above also expresses a rather odd sense
> of history. What makes you think the masses in Aquinas' day, who were
> mostly illiterate, knew any more about rhetoric and logic than most people
> today? If writings from the period seem elevated consider that only the
> cream of the crop, so to speak, could read and write. If everyone in
> the medieval period "knew the rules" it was a matter of uncritically
> accepting what they were told.
>
> Bill Mayne
>
> [This may be unfair to Lewis. The most prominent fallacy attributed
> to him is the "liar, lunatic, and lord". As quoted by many
> Christians, this is a logical fallacy. In its original context, it
> was not. --clh]
Exactly.
C. S. Lewis has taken a couple of pretty severe hits in this group lately.
First somebody was accusing him of being self-righteous and unconvincing.
Now we are told that we Christians should be embarrassed by him. (As well
as by Josh McDowell, about whom I have no comment, having never read his
work.)
Anyone who thinks that C. S. Lewis was self-righteous ought to read his
introduction to The Problem of Pain, which is his theodicy. In it, he
explains that he wanted to publish the book anonymously. Why? Although he
believed in the argument he was presenting, he did not want to seem to
presume to tell others how brave they should be in the face of their own
suffering. He did not want people to think that he was presenting himself
as some kind of model of fortitude, or that he was anything other than what
he considered himself to be -- "a great coward."
OFM has adequately handled the question of whether we ought to be
embarrassed by Lewis' liar/lunatic/lord argument (which, by the way, is
part of a *much* bigger discourse.) I would just like to add that, far from
being embarrassed by Lewis, I am in a state of continual amazement at the
soundness and clarity of the arguments he presents.
- Phil -
Hey, we're talking about the PHONE COMPANY, here. The Phone Company doesn't
have opinions on this kind of stuff. This is all me.
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From: random@presto.UUCP (Jeff W. Hyche)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Reply-To: presto!random@uunet.uu.net
<1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> <1993Apr18.150259.1748@escom.com>
Distribution: na
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.01
Lines: 16
Organization: I'm Just Me.
In article <1993Apr18.150259.1748@escom.com>, Al Donaldson writes:
> Unrelated question...isn't the term "Clipper," as neat as it is,
> already taken by Intergraph?
>
Yes, "Clipper" is a trademark of Intergraph. Its the RISC chip used
in some of thier workstations.
I wonder what Intergraph is going to do to this infringement on thier
name sake?
--
// Jeff Hyche
-There Can Be Only One- \\ // presto!random@uunet.uu.net
\X/
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From: steven.kipling@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Steven Kipling)
Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains
Reply-To: steven.kipling@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Steven Kipling)
Distribution: world
Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241
Lines: 54
-=> Quoting Cire Y. Trehguad to All <=-
CYT> : Michael Collingridge writes:
: >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded,
: >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other
: >team captain trivia would be appreciated.
CYT> ;
CYT> : Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to
CYT> : Pittsburgh?
CYT> And Rick Tochett was the captain of the Flyers when traded to the Pens
CYT> recently...
CYT> Caleb
CYT> And let us not forget that the New Jersey Devils traded
CYT> captain Kirk Muller for Stephen Richer and Chorske
CYT> Man I hated that trade!
Well as for team captains being traded
in there first year in the NHL the
Edmonton Oilers traded their captain
Ron Chiperfield to the Quebec Nordique
right at the trading deadline for
Goaltender Ron Lowe
In their second year of existence
The Edmonton Oilers again right at the trade
deadline traded their captain, this time
B.J. McDonald to the Vancouver Canucks
along with the rights to winger Ken
Berry for Garry Lariviere and the rights
to Lars Gunner Petterson
as for more captain trivia, the next Edmonton
captain was Lee Fogilin who was later traded to
the Buffalo Sabres, after him was Wayne Gretzky
who was traded to L A, then came Kevin Low who
only this year was traded to the N Y Rangers
so that every captain the Edmonton Oilers have had
has been traded.
The present captain is Craig McTavish and we'll
just have to wait and see.
well talk to you later
Steve
... Answers: $1, Short: $5, Correct: $25, dumb looks are still free.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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From: daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Lines: 33
azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:
>Better still, reverse this sequence, then hit the bugger under accelleration
>(to stabilise yourself). I hate things that attack me.
>If the dog thinks you have run away, it has established dominance over
>these funny noisy sheep things, and will attack every bike that comes
>along for the fun of it. If you can hurt the bugger, it learns that it
>is below bikes in the peck order, and you may have saved the life of a
>future biker, whose evasive action to avoid the dog might otherwise put
>him under a truck. Never avoid a dog for the dog's sake, only you're own.
I hate to admit this but there does seem to be some sort of twisted logic
to this approach. It's the bikers against the world and the dogs are just
another worthless adversary. So remember to wear at least calf height leather
boots, ( in case the dog gets lucky and sinks his teeth into your
attacking foot) and go for the gusto, If that dog doesn't retreat from the
street with his tail between his legs next time you see it then you really
haven't done your bit for all your fellow bikers.
>This also applies in cages.
Sorry I can't go this far, A dog against and armored cage just doesn't
seem like a fair fight.
>If the dog is out of control, it is a menace to all road users, and no
>compunction should be felt if ensuring your safety means the destruction of
>it's. After all, it is forcing the game, not you.
after all it is a dog eat dog world
Dave
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Pens Info needed
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Lines: 20
In article <1993Apr16.074054.3124@jyu.fi> mikkot@romulus.math.jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen) writes:
>Coaching news:
>
> Alpo Suhonen (ex-Jets) to Jokerit (now verified),
> Boris Majorov (ex-Jokerit) to Tappara,
> Vasili Tichonov (ex-Assat) to San Jose Sharks
> (assistant coach),
> Sakari Pietila to Lulea (silver team in Elite-serien)
Wow. So that's probably the reason why current assistant coach Drew Ramenda
hinted that he won't be back. Thanks for the news, Mikko; can you (or any
of our Finnish netters) comment on Tichonov?
===============================================================================
GO CALGARY FLAMES! Al MacInnis for Norris! Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe!
GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs next year! Stay in Edmonton!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...
Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla18
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Lines: 17
In article <1993Apr19.152527.23658@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) writes:
|
|Now now Keith, just calm down. What are you some prohibitionist prick? The
|point of Andrew Infante's posting was obvious to solicit suggestions pertaining
|to the cost of insurance and the like. I don't care if you are MADD or SADD or
|whatever; keep it to yourself, we'd all appreciate that.
Well, simply put, drinking is irrelavent. Driving drunk is indefensable and
unforgivable. There is a large differnece.
But, then, with an attitude like yours, I expect you'll be dead soon. I just
hope you don't take a human being out with you.
Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | You never learn."
AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon
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From: andy.bgsu.edu (Ryan )
Subject: What are you smoking? (wasRe: My Predictions of a classic playoff year!)
Organization: BGSU
Lines: 59
> Norris Division
>
>
> TOR vs DET TOR in 7 (THis , like MON vs QUE, will be another intense
> (series to watch!)
>
> CHI vs TOR TOR in 7 (Potvin will be settling in nicely by this point.)
>
>
> Vancouver vs Toronto Toronto in 6 (Potvin will be series MVP)
>
*This is what kills me:
> STANLEY CUP FINALS
>
> Toronto Maple Leafs vs Montreal Canadiens
> (The Classic Stanley Cup Final matchup!!) <---also a dream come true!
>
> Montreal wins the Stanley cup in the 7th game 1 - 0 in double overtime.
> Roy and Potvin are spectacular throughout the series and share series MVP (if
> that is possible) Vincent Damphouse nets game winner from a brilliant pass by
> Brian Bellows! Canadiens star(?) Denis Savard watched his buddies play from the
> owners box nursing that splinter on his thumb which has left him on the
> disabled list since the first game of the playoffs (awww shucks).
> Paul
> Die hard Habs Fan living with
> 3 Die hard Leafs fans!
*******************************************************************************
Speaking of "die hard", that's what I did when I read this, died hard
laughing!
Toronto, to the Cup finals???
First of all, has anyone on the planet heard of the team from Detroit? Al
Morgani (or however you spell the idiot's name) must be from Chicago,
because on ESPN, he said "it's not even close--Chicago will definatly win
the Norris Division in the Playoffs, no other team is close." Everyone is
picking Chicago! I don't get it, he says it's an "easy choice"?
God, Chicago was 1-4-1 against the Wings, and they won the division by a
point or two, followed closely by Toronto, who is also a good team!
As for the Leafs beating Detroit--doubt it, but even if they do, they
aren't going to get by Chicago. If (even more amazingly) they get past the
Hawks, they would probably face Vancouver, and lose.
As for The Habs reaching the Finals, forget it. Even I, as a devoted Wings
fan, will watch the Penguins easily three-peat as Cup winners. Lemieux,
Jagr, Tocchet, Stevens, and Barrasso, its a done deal. Sorry Detroit, wait
til next year.
But hey, these were Paul's picks, and everyone has a right to their own
opinnions, but the Leafs to the Finals??? Yeah. If they make it there, I'll
walk to Toronto to get some tickets, and that's a 700 mile walk!
--Ryan--
Detroit Red Wings--the forgotten team! Go Wings!! Let's hope the Penguins
go out
early!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: gray@feline.uucp (Kelly Gray)
Subject: Re: Pinout needed for TIL311
Organization: Humber College Technology Dept.
Lines: 29
According to my TI databook, the pinouts for the TIL311 display are as
follows:
Pin 1 - LED supply voltage
Pin 2 - Latch data input B
Pin 3 - Latch data input A
Pin 4 - Left decimal point cathode
Pin 5 - Latch strobe input
Pin 6 - Omitted
Pin 7 - Common ground
Pin 8 - Blanking input
Pin 9 - Omitted
Pin 10 - Right decimal point cathode
Pin 11 - Omitted
Pin 12 - Latch data input D
Pin 13 - Latch data input C
Pin 14 - Logic supply voltage, Vcc
The logic supply voltage is 5V @ 60-90mA. The LED supply is also 5V, but
it need not be particularly well regulated. The LED drivers on the chip
use a constant current source, so LED intensity is not affected by the
supply voltage.
--
<o_o> Kelly Gray
gray@feline.uucp (preferred)
gray@admin.humberc.on.ca
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From: leo@cae.wisc.edu (Leo Lim)
Subject: FAST DOS'VGA and 1024x768x256 windows video card info needed.
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Lines: 24
ok, i have a 486dx50(ISA) w/ Diamond Stealth VRAM 1MB.
I was really satisfied w/ its performance in windows.
but now more and more games needs higher frame rates in DOS' VGA,
especially this new Strike Commander. ;-)
this stealth vram can only give me 17.5 fps. ;-( (i use 3dbench).
my winmark was 6.35 million, i think.
so right now i'm considering to replace it w/ a new card, which hopefully
can perform approx same w/ my current VRAM in windows and also
can perform DOS' VGA preferably >30fps.
i also saw the 3dbench benchmark list from someone who compiled it
in csipg and it looked that SpeedStar 24X and Orchid Prodesigner 2d-s
ware the fastest for non local bus motherboard.
both can give >30fps in DOS' VGA w/ 486dx2/66.
Does anyone have a winmarks for both of those cards above with the processor
type ? which one is the worthiest(not necessarily fastest)?
any other card recommendation is welcomed too.
also, if possible, where can i get 'this' card for the cheapest? ;-)
thanks in advance, folks!
===Martin
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
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Nntp-Posting-Host: hertz.njit.edu
In article <1r1i41$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>
>Just maybe you won't be home. Then you can come home to something
>like this:
>
> "Well, it's been a rough month," begins Johnnie Lawmaster. "I
> just get laid off, and my divorce became final. But I just wasn't
> ready for what happened this particular Monday."
[horror story about FBI ruining a guy's life for the hell of it omitted]
>So if you don't want your tea party to be held in awkward silence, make
>sure your lawyer isn't there, there's a good chap.
So, is this a real story or a work of fiction? How about some
sources? When, where, and in what newspaper did you get all this
from? Or is it all hypothetical?
--
+------------------------+------------------------------------+
| David Charlap | "Apple II forever" - Steve Wozniac |
| dic5340@hertz.njit.edu | "I drank what?" - Socrates |
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From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Hell-mets.
Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Lines: 56
In article <217766@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com> maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>
>
> Having talked to a couple people about helmets & dropping, I'm getting
>about 20% "Don't sweat it", 78% "You might think about replacing it" and the
>other 2% "DON'T RIDE WITH IT! GO WITHOUT A HELMET FIRST!"
>
> Is there any way to tell if a helmet is damaged structurally? I dropped it
>about 2 1/2 feet to cement off my seat, chipped the paint. Didn't seem to
>screw up the actual shell.
I'd bet the price of the helmet that it's okay...From 6 feet
or higher, maybe not.
> If I don't end up replacing it in the real near future, would I do better
>to wear my (totally nondamaged) 3/4 face DOT-RATED cheapie which doesn't fit
>as well or keep out the wind as well, or wearing the Shoei RF-200 which is a
>LOT more comfortable, keeps the wind out better, is quieter... but might
>have some minor damage?
I'd wear the full facer, but then, I'd be *way* more worried
about wind blast in the face, and inability to hear police
sirens, than the helmet being a little damaged.
> Also, what would you all reccomend as far as good helmets? I'm slightly
>disappointed by how badly the shoei has scratched & etc from not being
>bloody careful about it, and how little impact it took to chip the paint
>(and arguably mess it up, period)... Looking at a really good full-face with
>good venting & wind protection... I like the Shoei style, kinda like the
>Norton one I saw awhile back too... But suspect I'm going to have to get a
>much more expensive helmet if I want to not replace it every time I'm not
>being careful where I set it down.
Well, my next helmet will be, subject to it fitting well, an AGV
sukhoi. That's just because I like the looks. My current one is
a Shoei task5, and it's getting a little old, and I crashed in
it once a couple of years ago (no hard impact to head...My hip
took care of that.). If price was a consideration I'd get
a Kiwi k21, I hear they are both good and cheap.
> Christ, I don't treat my HEAD as carefully as I treated the shoei as far as
>tossing it down, and I don't have any bruises on it.
Be *mildly* mildly paranoid about the helmet, but don't get
carried away. There are people on the net (like those 2% you
mentioned) that do not consistently live on our planet...
Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
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From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols)
Subject: Re: copy/move files in File Manager
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Lines: 25
In article <C58tsF.5yE@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rsc3e@orion.lib.Virginia.EDU (Scott Crittenden) writes:
>My understanding is that, to copy files from one directory to another on
>the same drive in File Manager (using a mouse), you hold down the CTRL key
>while dragging the file from one directory's window to the other. This
>works for me... about 98% of the time. The other 2%, the file gets
>_moved_ rather than copied. Anybody else encountered this?
...
I tried to respond by email, but all attempts bounced.
The condition of the Ctrl key BEFORE you press the mouse button makes no
difference whatsoever. You have to be holding the Ctrl key when you
RELEASE the mouse button if you want to force a copy operation.
Here's a simple experiment. Select a file and begin to drag it (no Ctrl
key). Notice that the file's icon disappears from the listing window. Now
watch what happens to that icon as you press and release the Ctrl key
(keeping the mouse button pressed all the while). In addition, the icon
that you are dragging will show a "+" while you are holding the Ctrl key,
indicating that the file is being copied rather than moved.
--
Bob Nichols
AT&T Bell Laboratories
rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com
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From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Subject: Winjet accelerator card
Organization: The University of British Columbia
Lines: 5
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca
Anyone familiar with this video card? What chipset does the winjet use - S3?
As I am in the market for a VLG video card, what is the best chipset among
S3, Cirrus Logic and Tseng Lab (ATI is out of the question - too expensive) ?
Thanks.
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From: disteli@inf.ethz.ch (Andreas Reto Disteli)
Subject: S3
Nntp-Posting-Host: lillian-gw
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Lines: 40
Re: Problems with S3-initialization
As described the manual the following steps must be done for th initialization
of the S3 card.
InitDisplay;
(*BIOS-Call
with AX-Reg = 4F02H
with BX-Reg = 105H for 1024 x 768 x 256 resolution
Interrupt 10H *)
Unlock Register Lock 1 (CR38)
(* For access to S3 Register Set *)
Unlock Register Lock 2 (CR39)
(* For access to Syst. Control and Syst. Extension Register *)
Unlock Graphic Command Group (CR40)
(* Set Bit 0 to 1 in Syst. Configuration Register *)
Unlock Advanced Display Functions
(* Set Bit 0 to 1 in Function Control Register *)
After these operations the FIFO-stack of the S3 should be empty.
When we watch the status (Graph. Proc. Status), we always get
the value 0FH instead of 0H.
Full would mean 0FFH (8 places occupied), empty would mean 0H
(0 places occupied).
It is possible to read this register in two different ways.
Both times we get different results.
Our machine is a 486 DX/2 with EISA bus and a S3 86C805 local bus.
--> any ideas?
Andreas Disteli
Institut fuer Computersysteme, ETH Zuerich
email: disteli@inf.ethz.ch
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From: fkk@stasys.sta.sub.org (Frank Kaefer)
Subject: Re: xterm build problem in Solaris2.1
Organization: Stasys News Server, Starnberg, Germany
Lines: 22
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: stasys.sta.sub.org
dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) writes:
|..continuing on my build problems, I got stuck here build xterm...
|gcc -fpcc-struct-return -o xterm main.o input.o charproc.o cursor.o util.o tabs.o screen.o scrollbar.o button.o Tekproc.o misc.o VTPrsTbl.o TekPrsTbl.o data.o menu.o -O2 -R/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib${LD_RUN_PATH+\:$LD_RUN_PATH} -L../.././lib/Xaw
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From: menon@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Ravi or Deantha Menon)
Subject: Re: eye dominance
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Lines: 38
Nntp-Posting-Host: beagle.colorado.edu
nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes:
>[reply to rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver)]
>
>>Is there a right-eye dominance (eyedness?) as there is an overall
>>right-handedness in the population? I mean do most people require less
>>lens corrections for the one eye than the other? If so, what kinds of
>>percentages can be attached to this? Thanks.
>
>There is an "eyedness" analogous to handedness but it has nothing to do
>with refractive error. To see whether you are right or left eyed, roll
>up a sheet of paper into a tube and hold it up to either eye like a
>telescope. The eye that you feel more comfortable putting it up to is
>your dominant eye. Refractive error is often different in the two eyes
>but has no correlation with handedness.
>
>David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI
>This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher
>must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell
What do you mean "more comfortable putting it up to." That seems a bit
hard to evaluate. At least for me it is.
Stare straight Point with both hands together and clasp so that only the
pointer fingers are pointing straight forward to a a spot on the wall about
eight feet away. First stare at the spot with both eyes open. Now
close your left eye. Now open your left eye. Now close your right eye.
now open your right eye.
If the image jumped more when you closed your right eye, you are right
eye dominant.
If the image jumped more when you closed your left eye, you are left eye
dominant.
Deantha
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From: mmadsen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen)
Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac.
Nntp-Posting-Host: bonnie.ics.uci.edu
Reply-To: mmadsen@ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Lines: 27
Robert G. Carpenter writes:
>Hi Netters,
>
>I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle
>some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc.
>
>Can you please offer some recommendations?
>
>I'll also need contact info (name, address, email...) if you can find it.
>
>Thanks
>
>(Please Post Your Responses, in case others have same need)
>
>Bob Carpenter
>
I too would like a 3D graphics library! How much do C libraries cost
anyway? Can you get the tools used by, say, RenderMan, and can you get
them at a reasonable cost?
Sorry that I don't have any answers, just questions...
Matt Madsen
mmadsen@ics.uci.edu
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From: cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook)
Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test
Organization: WINCO
Lines: 45
In article <C5L4rp.EBM@news.iastate.edu> jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.165139.6240@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>>> I really don't want to waste time in
>>> here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we
>>> can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is!
>>
>> Read: I do not know what the fuck I'm talking about, and am
>>not eager to make a fool of myself.
>
>Oh, you foolish person. I do know what the fuck I'm talking about
>and will gladly demonstrate for such ignorants as yourself if you
>wish.
>
>The legalization of drugs will provide few if any of the benefits
>so highly taunted by its proponents: safer, cheaper drugs along
>with revenues from taxes on those drugs; reduced crime and reduced
>organized crime specifically; etc, etc
Ahhh, the classic Truth By Blatant Assertion technique. Too bad it's
so demonstrably false. Take a look at Great Britain sometime for a
nice history on drug criminalization. The evidence there shows that
during periods of time when drugs (such as heroin) were illegal, crime
went up and people did die from bad drugs. During times when drugs
were legalized, those trends were reversed.
>
>If you would like to prove how clueless you are, we can get into
>why - again a lot of wasted posts that I don't think this group
>was intended for and something easily solved by you doing a little
>research.
Now this is a great example of an ironclad proof. Gosh, I'm convinced.
( :-} for the humor impaired). First, assert something for which you
have no evidence, then dodge requests for proof by claiming to know
what this group was intended for. As to research, if you'd done any
at all, you'd realize that there is plenty of reason to believe that
legalizing drugs will have many benefits to society. There are some
plausible arguments against it, too, but they aren't enough to convince
me that criminalization of drugs is the answer. I'm willing to be
convinced I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt the likes of you can do it.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
...Dale Cook "Any town having more churches than bars has a serious
social problem." ---Edward Abbey
The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's)
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From: mjr@tis.com (Marcus J Ranum)
Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher?
Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc.
Lines: 23
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.tis.com
>>How can the government tell which encryption method one is using without
>>being able to decode the traffic? i.e., In order to accuse me of using an
>>unauthorized strong encryption technique they would have to take both
>>keys out of escrow, run them against my ciphertext and "draw a blank".
>
> I was thinking about this, also. It's quite possible the
>system transmits, in clear, the serial number of the device being
>used. That way they can start a tap, get the serial number, and use
>the warrant for the first tap to get the key.
>
> If they tap someone who's apparently using encryption, but
>don't find that prefix, then they'll assume it's an "un-authorized"
>encryption scheme.
This doesn't handle superencrypted traffic. If the clipper
doesn't impose any unfortunate performance side-effects there's no
reason not to use it to superencrypt a stream of triple-DES encrypted
traffic. That way your traffic looks "normal" and perhaps anyone
desiring to listen in won't even bother, since they know nobody's
going to really trust crypto that has classified internals for
important stuff.
mjr.
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From: Mark.Perew@p201.f208.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter?
X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993
Lines: 15
In a message of <Apr 19 04:55>, jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.020359.26996@sq.sq.com>, msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
>writes:
MB> So the
MB> 1970 figure seems unlikely to actually be anything but a perijove.
JG>Sorry, _perijoves_...I'm not used to talking this language.
Couldn't we just say periapsis or apoapsis?
--- msged 2.07
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From: frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)
Organization: HewlettPackardSantaRosaSystmsDiv,RohnertParkCA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Lines: 22
VIDAR OLAF SOLBERG (vidaros@dhhalden.no) wrote:
& Can somebody tell me what all the letter spesifications on motorcycle models
& really mean.
& Example: What means the C, the B and the R in Honda CBR. - Or the V, S, G, L
& and P in Suzuki VS750GLP
Honda: a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4, "VT" for V-twin.
"CB" is a street bike with an parallel twin or inline 4-cylinder engine.
"R" used to mean race bike, but is now also used to mean sport bike.
"CL" was for the old steet scramblers-street bikes with high pipes
"CM" was a "custom" street bike
"CR" is dirt only two strokes
"XL" is dual purpose bike
"XR" was dirt only four stroke, but now can be a dual purpose bike if it has
an "L" as a suffix.
"GL" is a touring bike
--
Frank Ball 1UR-M frankb@sad.hp.com (707) 794-4168 work,
Hewlett Packard (707) 794-3844 fax, (707) 538-3693 home
1212 Valley House Drive IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999 KC6WUG, LAW, AMA, Dod #7566, I'm the NRA.
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Subject: Re: islamic authority over women
From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR.
Lines: 46
In article <1993Apr5.023044.19580@ultb.isc.rit.edu) snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:
)
)That's your mistake. It would be better for the children if the mother
)raised the child.
)
)One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say "Mom",
)because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men.
)Compare that with how homos are raised. Do a study and you will get my
)point.
)
)But in no way do you have a claim that it would be better if the men
)stayed home and raised the child. That is something false made up by
)feminists that seek a status above men. You do not recognize the fact
)that men and women have natural differences. Not just physically, but
)mentally also.
) [...]
)Your logic. I didn't say americans were the cause of worlds problems, I
)said atheists.
) [...]
)Becuase they have no code of ethics to follow, which means that atheists
)can do whatever they want which they feel is right. Something totally
)based on their feelings and those feelings cloud their rational
)thinking.
) [...]
)Yeah. I didn't say that all atheists are bad, but that they could be
)bad or good, with nothing to define bad or good.
)
Awright! Bobby's back, in all of his shit-for-brains glory. Just
when I thought he'd turned the corner of progress, his Thorazine
prescription runs out.
I'd put him in my kill file, but man, this is good stuff. I wish
I had his staying power.
Fortunately, I learned not to take him too seriously long,long,long
ago.
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM
They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers)
Subject: Re: Some more about gun control...
Organization: N/I
Lines: 16
In article <1993Apr14.232806.18970@beaver.cs.washington.edu> graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes:
[ ... ]
>It's worth noting that US vs. Miller sustained Miller's conviction
>of possession of an illegal firearm, noting that a sawed-off shotgun
>was not a proper militia weapon. Therefore, US vs. Miller supports
>limited government regulation of firearms.
Then it also supports basing such regulations on ignorance.
Miller had disappeared, and nobody bothered to present _his_
side to the Supreme Court -- in particular, that sawed-off
shotguns were used in the World War I trenches, and in other
tight spots ever since guns had been invented. Would _you_
turn one down if you had to "clean" an alley in E. St. Louis?
--------
Vegetarians kill, too
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From: Doug Ward
Subject: Drivers for Stealth 24
Reply-To: doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 7
I recently purchased a Diamond Stealth 24 Video card and received
the wrong drivers. Does anyone know where I can ftp the proper
drivers? The dstlth file at cica does not work with
this video card. Please respond to doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu
Thank you
Doug Ward
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From: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray)
Subject: CNN for sale
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
Lines: 32
Reply-To: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
W.K. Gorman:
<3>> Maybe now's the time for us, the NRA, GOA, CCRTKBA, SAF, et al to band
<3>> together and buy CNN as *our* voice. Wouldn't that be sumpin....broadcast
<3>> the truth for a change and be able to air a favorable pro-gun item or two..
<3>I would like to see this happen. I don't think it will. I don't
<3>think the average gun-owner will take any notice of what is happening
<3>until they break down HIS door.
<3>BUT I will go on record publicly to the effect that I will contribute a
<3>minimum of $1,000.00 to the buy-out fund if it can be organized and made
<3>viable. Anybody else want to put their money where their mouth is? :)
<3>There ar 50+ MILLION gun owners out there. If - and it's a big and
<3>not very realistic if - we got hold of CNN, the anti-gun bullshit would
<3>STOP RIGHT THERE. Why won't it happen - because nobody will get off their
<3>ass and MAKE it happen. Nuts.
Any NRA headquarters weenies listening to this man. Any RTKBA organization
honcho listening. It's time to stop fighting the Brady's and the Schumer's
(now there's an interesting meaning to the acronynm BS) from the comfort
of the office....we had better get serious with our time and money and get
after it or we might just as well pack it in now.
---
. OLX 2.2 . Gun control advocates must have had a sanity by-pass!
----
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| Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) |
| Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard |
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From: yhdw@quads.uchicago.edu (stephen t parker)
Subject: DOS 5.0
Reply-To: yhdw@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Lines: 16
Posting for a friend. Reply to him, not to me.
For Sale: Micro Soft DOS v. 5.0
Micro Soft DOS v. 5.0
Release date: 11/11/91
3 1/2" diskettes
manual in perfect conditioni
best offer accepted (I pay shippinig)
Contact Randall at:
Randall_Clark@byu.edu
(801) 222-0834 (home)
(801) 378-2722 (work)
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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Subject: Re: Govs. Florio, Wilder Hit Airwaves In Support of Brady Bill
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Lines: 14
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com
In article <1993Apr1.015043.5662@r-node.hub.org>, ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) writes:
> Here is a press release from Handgun Control Inc.
> "It is ironic that Jim and I are observing this March 30 in a
> country that finds America's level of gun violence not only
> unacceptable, but unbelievable," said Mrs. Brady, chair of Handgun
> Control Inc.
So where was she? And would she consider staying there?
--
cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,
OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...
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From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering)
Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana
Lines: 49
hoover@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Uwe Schuerkamp) writes:
>In article <C5t05K.DB6@research.canon.oz.au> enzo@research.canon.oz.au
>(Enzo Liguori) writes:
>> hideous vision of the future. Observers were
>>startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the
>>pad with "SCHWARZENEGGER" painted in huge block letters on the
>This is ok in my opinion as long as the stuff *returns to earth*.
>>What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize
>>the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore.
>If this turns out to be true, it's time to get seriously active in
>terrorism. This is unbelievable! Who do those people think they are,
>selling every bit that promises to make money? I guess we really
>deserve being wiped out by uv radiation, folks. "Stupidity wins". I
>guess that's true, and if only by pure numbers.
> Another depressed planetary citizen,
> hoover
This isn't inherently bad.
This isn't really light pollution since it will only
be visible shortly before or after dusk (or during the
day).
(Of course, if night only lasts 2 hours for you, you're probably going
to be inconvienenced. But you're inconvienenced anyway in that case).
Finally: this isn't the Bronze Age, and most of us aren't Indo
European; those people speaking Indo-Eurpoean languages often have
much non-indo-european ancestry and cultural background. So:
please try to remember that there are more human activities than
those practiced by the Warrior Caste, the Farming Caste, and the
Priesthood.
And why act distressed that someone's found a way to do research
that doesn't involve socialism?
It certianly doesn't mean we deserve to die.
--
Phil Fraering |"Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff.
pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison." Repo Man
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From: hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian)
Subject: Re: Seventh Century A.D. Armenian Math Problems
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 25
koc@rize.ECE.ORST.EDU (Cetin Kaya Koc) writes:
>> Problem 1
>>
>> My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the
>> Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed extraordinary
>> heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the Persian troops.
>> The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. The second time,
>> pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the soldiers. The third
>> time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. The Persians who were
>> still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to Nakhichevan. And so, from
>> this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers there were before the
> massacre.
>>
>Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760
>Corollary: Armenians strike, slaughter, destroy, and massacre. After all,
> they are not as innocent as the asala network claims.
Hmm ... Turks sure know how to keep track of deaths, but they seem to
lose count around 1.5 million.
Hovig
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From: bernstei@next3.corp.mot.com (Andrew Bernstein)
Subject: Re: GEICO mechanical breakdown insurance
Organization: MOTOROLA
Distribution: usa
Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.188.149.38
Lines: 36
In article <C50pBH.244@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu
(Robert J. Wade) writes:
@>In article <1993Apr4.010517.9701@lds.loral.com> mcculloc@sps204.lds.loral.com (Thad McCulloch) writes:
@>>
@>>Has anyone had any experience with GEICO's extended
@>>warranty plan. It seems to be slightly less expensive than
@>>the normal dealer-sponsored policy.
@>>
@>and once again....*never* buy extended warranties....they are a complete and
@>total ripoff period!!!! you are better off taking your money and putting it
@>
in a bank and using that money for repairs. many extended warranties never
@>pay or have co-payments etc.
@>
How many people will actually put that money in the bank and keep it there for the
sole use of a automotive repair......maybe for people who have a hard time saving
money or don't want the hassle of worrying about paying for everything the
extended warranty is worth it.....for some people it is worth it...others not, and
for some the peace of mind knowing you won't have too many unexpected expenses
is enough.....if you drive a lot, your basic warranty can be up in a little longer than
a year....how many people can make the car payments as well as large repairs....
It may work for some people......
Andrew
--
Andrew Bernstein
Motorola Inc. "There's no such thing as sanity,
1299 E. Algonquin Road and that's the sanest fact"
Schaumburg, IL 60196-1077 ---- Dire Straits
bernstei@next3.corp.mot.com (NeXT mail OK)
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From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto)
Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption
Distribution: na
Organization: Totally Unorganized
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In article <bontchev.735232729@fbihh> bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes:
>rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes:
>
>> >and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American
>> >to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of
>
>> Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN
>> CONTEXT?
>
>Yes. BTW, the appropriate Amendments were posted here some time ago.
>
>> If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again.
>> It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individual
>> to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles.
>
>It's OK, it's OK... Just a month ago I expressed my belief that the
>right to have a means to shoot your neighbor is not that much
>necessary to ensure a people's right to be free and got flamed by lots
>of American gun supporters. So I thought that...
>
>Never mind. The new Cripple Chip is a purely American problem, so deal
>with the mess yourselves. I just wanted to share with you a bit of my
>experience of living 30 years under a totalitarian regime (I'm
>Bulgarian) - because I thought that it might be useful to you. Oh
>well.
I think your experiences under the Bulgarian regime are highly relevant.
We have too many people with their heads in the sand saying it cannot
happen here, as our Constitutional Rights are being trashed every day
because the government justifies doing some end-run around the protections
by a 'crisis' requiring 'drastic action'. It is most likely that in the
future possession of secure encryption tools will be regarded as possession
of 'terrorist and drug dealers tools', and be some serious Fedaral Felony.
Just like common tools are 'burgular tools' if the police say so, common
computer programs (even computers themselves) are now 'hackers tools',
and will become 'terrorist tools'. BET ON IT.
The insights of someone who has lived throught this are very important.
If the US goes the way of the old Soviet Union and its client states
as far as individual rights, privacy and overall freedom are concerned,
the rest of the world (remember 'New World Order'?) will not be far
behind - only a few years.
Please keep posting anything you find that is deficient or that threatens
ones rights in this thing.
For example, a conversation between a suspect and a lawyer will no longer
be private from Big Brother eavesdropping. Political dissent allready
is very dangerous in this country, all it takes is the government to
decide that enough people will take one seriously, then one becomes
guilty of 'plotting to overthrow the government by illegal means'. The
phrase 'illegal means' is defined as whatever the government wants it
to be defined as.
Couple this with Clinton's pressing for a 'smart' National ID card (an
'Internal passport'?), with the added wrinkle that anything about you and
your past can be put on it, and you can only take the government's
word as to what is really on it (since they will be the only ones
with the means to completely read and reprogram the thing). Isn't
that nice?
While the Feds can bust into one's safe without the keys, the owner
knows his safe has been broken into. When they break into your 'secure'
phone conversations (or other stored/transmitted data in the near future)
you have no way of knowing, so accountability as to the legalities has
gone out the window. Just like a safe, if they have a legal cause, they
can get the keys from the suspect, just like they can get the keys to
a safe or the combination from the suspect. Same with encryption:
Record everything, get the warrants, THEN decode it with the keys
obtained from the suspect.
This Clinton Cripple, along with its natural extensions, will make any
priviliged communications between client and lawyer, and any meaningful
political dissent virtually impossible. Which is the general idea.
Any propeganda about its being secure, and the safeguards, and all
of that are just that - propeganda to reassure people so they will
by into this monstrosity. DON'T BE SUCKERED.
BIG BROTHER IS LISTENING!!!
>
>Regards,
>Vesselin
>--
>Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg
>Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN
>< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C
>e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany
--
pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA
If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat
WISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,
and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien
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From: akhiani@ricks.enet.dec.com (Homayoon Akhiani)
Subject: Re: Recommendations for removable storage media wanted
Lines: 25
Nntp-Posting-Host: ricks
Reply-To: akhiani@ricks.enet.dec.com (Homayoon Akhiani)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-2
In article <1993Apr14.115511.28278@kth.se> you write:
|>>After having used both Syqyest and Bernoulli's, I most enthuiastically
|>>recommend
|>>Bernoulli's. Syquests (although more popular) are much slower, prone to
|>>cartridge
|>
|>What does your friends have? Buy it.
|>
|>If you have no friends, buy a 128 MB optical and stop
I bought a Bernoulli 90pro drive last year after comparing it with lots of
diffrent storage solutions,
OPTICAL drives are SLOW, very slow compared to 13 to 19ms access of Bernoulli.
Since I needed additinol online storage (rather than just a backup or archiev
e disk), I choosed Bernoulli drive. I use Adobe Preimere and Quicktime movies
alot. you ran out of storage real fast.
IMHO, the best buy currently is the Bernoulli 150Multidisk. 150MB per cartridge
Homayoon Akhiani "Turning Ideas into ... Reality"
Digital Equipment Corporation "Alpha, The New Beginning"
77 Reed Rd. Hudson, MA 01701 "All Rights Reserved. Copyright(c)1993"
Email: akhiani@ricks.enet.dec.com "The words are mine, and not my employer"
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From: rivkin@watson.bms.com (TERRI RIVKIN, TERRI RIVKIN)
Subject: House for Sale in Mercerville, NJ
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Lines: 22
I am posting this for a friend. Please do not respond to me. Thanks.
House for Sale!!!!!
16 Brockton Road, Mercerville, New Jersey
Description: Beautiful 3 bedroom, 1 1/2 bath cape cod located on a large
tastefully landscaped corner with fenced in lot. This home features an eat-in
kitchen with built-in corner china closet, a large living room, wall-to-wall
carpeting, hardwood floors, new ceramic tile foyer, and freshly painted
neutral tone decor. This home includes new central air and heating, new roof,
new water heater, aluminum siding, storm windows and doors and Rockwell
insulation in all exterior walls. Also features a new partially finished
basement with an outside entrance and new Duro shed. Lots of storage space.
Convenient to Rt. 295.
Extras: Dishwasher, Washer and Dryer, Ceiling Fans, and Window Treatments
Call for appointment at (609) 586-1946.
*****Open House on Sunday, April 18th, 1:00 - 4:00. Call for Directions*****
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From: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan)
Subject: Re: I'm getting a car, I need opinions.
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Lines: 32
Reply-To: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu
In a previous article, ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) says:
>I have $30,000 as my budget. I'm looking for a sports or GT car.
>
>What do you think would be the best buy? (I'm looking for specific models)
>
>Thanks,
>Danny
>--
>
>===============================================================================
>= "Hey! You programmers out there! | Danny Phornprapha =
>= Please consider this: | ip02@lehigh.edu =
>= | =
>= Bugs are another endangered earth | LUCC Student Konsultant =
>= Species needing your protection. | Work: (215) 758-4141 =
>
For an all out sports car, I'd go for the RX-7 without the sports
suspension (which is too stiff.) For a little more practicality and more
comfort, the Nissan 300ZX Turbo is a good buy. And for a good dose of
luxury, the Lexus SC300 is perfect (with a manual transmission of course.)
However, the Toyota Supra is coming out soon and if you like it's looks,
the performance is supposed to be great, almost race car like. I don't
particulary like the Mitsubishi 3000GT's or the Dodge Stealths as they are
too heavy and aren't very nimble handlers for a sports car.
--
A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA
Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
"The mind is the forerunner of all states."
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From: Markku.Savela@tel.vtt.fi (Markku Savela)
Subject: Raster and Text Widgets (View only!), Xew-1.3 version
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland
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Distribution: comp
Reply-To: savela@tel.vtt.fi (Markku Savela)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tel4.tel.vtt.fi
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Version 1.3 of Xew widgets is available at
export.lcs.mit.edu: contrib/Xew-1.3.tar.Z
export.lcs.mit.edu: contrib/Xew-1.3.README
For better details, check the README. (For extensive details, you have
to with Xew-1.1.ps.Z, still haven't had time to update this one).
No new functionality has been added since 1.2 version. Raster widget
handles now expose events slightly more intelligently than before
(really had to do this when I added a simple program that uses X11R5
Athena Porthole and Panner widgets). The program demo/viewer.c is
very simple demonstration of panner/porthole usage (copied
from'editres' actually :-)
--
Markku Savela (savela@tel.vtt.fi), Technical Research Centre of Finland
Telecommunications Laboratory, Otakaari 7 B, SF-02150 ESPOO, Finland
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From: seale@possum.den.mmc.com (Eric H Seale)
Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter?
Nntp-Posting-Host: pogo.den.mmc.com
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
Lines: 8
baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes:
>According the IAU Circular #5744, Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e, may be
>temporarily in orbit around Jupiter. The comet had apparently made a
>close flyby of Jupiter sometime in 1992 resulting in the breakup of the
>comet.
Ooooh -- who would have thought that Galileo would get the chance to
check out a comet TOO?!?
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From: daves@xetron.com (Dave Steele)
Subject: Whither QuickDraw Performance (across product line)
Organization: Xetron Corp.
Lines: 21
My company has developed an application for the Mac that emulates a chart
recorder - virtual pen traces scroll smoothly across the screen. As we
tested the application on a number of computers we discovered some
surprising performance differences across products. The scroll performance
of the IIsi and LCII was better than the IIfx. This led us to investigate
Color Quickdraw performance across the Apple line.
The results:
The fastest QuickDraw color performing computer Apple makes is the
(drumroll please) LCIII. And the Color Classic ranks right up there with
the Quadra line. The Centris line pales in comparison.
Does anybody know the differences in these computers that explains the
disparity in graphics/processor performance?
Dave Steele (daves@xetron.com) (513)881-3330
Xetron Corp.
40 W. Crescentville Road
Cincinnati, Ohio 45246
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Lines: 20
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: uhad2.admin.uh.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24
In-Reply-To: arc@cco.caltech.edu's message of 21 Apr 1993 12:25:23 GMT
In <1r3efjINN3jj@gap.caltech.edu> arc@cco.caltech.edu writes:
> Thomas Parsli <thomasp@ifi.uio.no> writes:
> >I also believe Texas has some of the most liberal 'gun-laws' in USA......
>
> In Texas, you cannot carry a handgun. Period. Either concealed or open.
Currently, there is a bill before the Texas legislature that would make it
legal for some ordinary folks to carry concealed weapons. I don't have the
details, sorry.
semper fi,
Jammer Jim Miller
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
________________________________________________________________________________
I don't speak for UH, which is too bad, because they could use the help.
"Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."
"Power finds its way to those who take a stand. Stand up, Ordinary Man."
---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph
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From: rah13@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert A Holak)
Subject: Re: Why does Illustrator AutoTrace so poorly?
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: rah13@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert A Holak)
Organization: Columbia University
Lines: 3
A shareware graphics program called Pman has a filter that makes a picture
look like a hand drawing. This picture could probably be converted into
vector format much easier because it is all lines. (With Corel Trace, etc..)
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From: dina@litana.obninsk.su ( )
Subject: horse breeding and saling
Reply-To: dina@litana.obninsk.su
Organization: Litana Ltd.
Lines: 31
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
? Dear Sirs, ?
? ?
? The private agricultural firm "DINA", is breeding pedigree ?
?horses of "sportmodel" class, mainly trakenensky, gannoversky and ?
?thoroughbred horses. We have 17 heads of dams, getters of trakeninsky ?
?and thoroughbread breeds, colts of 1-2 years old, sport live-stock of ?
?horses of concour class (for passing the route with obstacles). The ?
?firm has a warm stable made of brick, arranged to place 60 horses. ?
? We have possibility to expand the field of activity and ?
?systematically prepare our horses of concour class for sale for hard ?
?currency. The experienced staff of the firm (internetional class ?
?master) workes for breeding and training of horses. Additional ?
?investments are necessary to purchase of larger dam live-stock, ?
?construction of the riding-house for training, extra stables. ?
? For two years our firm has been organizing hunting tourism of ?
?the territory of the national park not far from Moscow (about 100 km). ?
? We are also concerned in the development of trading connections ?
?on delivering food products, clothes, foot-wear etc. to Russia. ?
? ?
? Our address: ?
? Russia, Obninsk, ?
? pr. Marksa, 34-130. ?
? phone:(08439)3-49-42, ?
? (08439)3-42-30 ?
? fax: (095)255-22-25 ?
? Electronic Mail: ?
? dina@litana.obninsk.su ?
? ?
? Vyacheslav Chereshnev. ?
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
Subject: PBS Frontline: Iran and the bomb
Nntp-Posting-Host: ic17.ee.umanitoba.ca
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Lines: 75
I would like to share with netters a few points I picked up from the PBS
Frontline program regarding Iran's nuclear activities, aired on Tuesday
April 13. For the sake of brevity, I'll present them in some separate
points.
1- As many other western programs, this program was laid on a bed of
misinformation throughout the program, to maximize the effect of the
program on the viewer. Some of the misinformations were as follows:
- It was alleged that:" Late Imam Khomeini objected to Shah's technological
advancements as anti-Islamic, but now things have changed and the proof of
change is that some Iranian merchants are now selling personal computers. "!
These are the most ridiculous lies, one can make about the objectives
of the Islamic Revolution in toppling the Shah and state of the technology
in Iran after revolution.
-Iran was equally accused of using chemical weapons against Iraqi aggressors
while there has never been any proof in this regard, and nobody has seen
Iraqi soldiers or civilians injured by Iranian chemical weapons, in
contrary to what the whole world has seen about Iranian soldiers and
civilians, injured by Iraqi chemical weapons.
- While the number of martyrs during the sacred defense against Iraqi
aggression has been officially announced to be about 117,000 and even most
radical counter-revolutionary groups claim that Iran and Iraq had a total
of one million dead, this program claims that Iran alone has one million
dead left from the war.
- The translation of Iranian officials' talks are not 100% true. For
example when Iranian head of Atomic Energy says that: " It hurts me to
see that Iran is the subject of these unfriendly propaganda." The
translator says: " It hurts to see that Iran is doing unfriendly
research."!
2- Almost all alleged devices or material bought or planned to be bought
by Iranians were of countless dual usage, while the program tries to
undermine their non-military uses, without any reference to Iran's
big population and its inevitable need to other sources of energy in
near future and its current deficit in electrical power.
3- The whole program is trying to show the Sharif University of
Technology as a nuclear research center, while even the cameramen of the
program know well that in a country like Iran without a so tightly closed
society no one can make a nuclear bomb in a university! Taking in account
the scientific advancement of Sharif U. in engineering fields and its
potential role in improvement of Iran's industries and eventually the
lives of people, it is obvious that they are persuading other countries
to prevent them from further helping this university or other ones
in scientific and industrial efforts.
4- A key point in program's justifications is trying to disvalidate as
much as possible all efforts done by IAEA [*] in their numerous visits from
Iran's different sites. They say: "We are not sure if the places visited
by IAEA are the real ones or not" !, or " We can not rely on IAEA's
reports and observation, because they failed to see Iraq's nuclear
activities before" as if they didn't know that Iraq was trying to build
nuclear weapons!
5- As an extremely personal opinion, the most disgusting aspect of the
program was the arrogance of the member of US Senate foreign Affairs,
William Triplet, in his way of talking, as if he was the god talking
from the absolute knowledge!
I hope all Iranians be aware of the gradual buildup against their
country in western media, and I hope Iranian authorities continue to
their wise and calculated approach with regard to international affairs
and peaceful coexistence with friendly nations.
Mohammad
[*] International Atomic Energy Agency
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From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip
encryption
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA
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Distribution: world
Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com
X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1
In article <115713@bu.edu>, uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) writes:
> More than shocking. What this says to me is no less than that
> government is very interested in monitoring the public. This does more
> than scare me, it mortifies me.
If this is any surprise to you, *I'm* shocked.
Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation
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From: cs012055@cs.brown.edu (Hok-Chung Tsang)
Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy
Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr5.230808.581
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Lines: 51
In article <C4vIr5.L3r@shuksan.ds.boeing.com>, fredd@shuksan (Fred Dickey) writes:
|> CarolinaFan@uiuc (cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
|> : I have been active in defending Saturn lately on the net and would
|> : like to state my full opinion on the subject, rather than just reply to others'
|> : points.
|> :
|> : The biggest problem some people seem to be having is that Saturn
|> : Dealers make ~$2K on a car. I think most will agree with me that the car is
|> : comparably priced with its competitors, that is, they aren't overpriced
|> : compared to most cars in their class. I don't understand the point of
|> : arguing over whether the dealer makes the $2K or not?
|>
|> I have never understood what the big deal over dealer profits is either.
|> The only thing that I can figure out is that people believe that if
|> they minimize the dealer profit they will minimize their total out-of-pocket
|> expenses for the car. While this may be true in some cases, I do not
|> believe that it is generally true. I bought a Saturn SL in January of '92.
|> AT THAT TIME, based on studying car prices, I decided that there was
|> no comparable car that was priced as cheaply as the Saturn. Sure, maybe I
|> could have talked the price for some other car to the Saturn price, but
|> my out-of-pocket expenses wouldn't have been any different. What's important
|> to me is how much money I have left after I buy the car. REDUCING DEALER PROFIT
|> IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SAVING MONEY! Show me how reducing dealer profit
|> saves me money, and I'll believe that it's important. My experience has
|> been that reducing dealer profit does not necessarily save me money.
|>
|> Fred
Say, you bought your Saturn at $13k, with a dealer profit of $2k.
If the dealer profit is $1000, then you would only be paying $12k for
the same car. So isn't that saving money?
Moreover, if Saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by $1000,
then their cars will be even better deals. Say, if the price of a Saturn was
already $1000 below market average for the class of cars, then after they
reduce the dealer profit, it would be $2000 below market average. It will:
1) Attract even more people to buy Saturns because it would SAVE THEM MONEY.
2) Force the competitors to lower their prices to survive.
Now, not only will Saturn owners benefit from a lower dealer profit, even
the buyers for other cars will pay less.
Isn't that saving money?
$0.02,
doug.
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From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx
Lines: 21
In article <1993Apr18.032405.23325@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) writes:
>In article brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>
>[...]>
>>The greatest danger of the escrow database, if it were kept on disk,
>>would be the chance that a complete copy could somehow leak out. You
>[...]>
>>Of course then it's hard to backup. However, I think the consequences
>>of no backup -- the data is not there when a warrant comes -- are worse
>>than the consequences of a secret backup.
>
>If the data isn't there when the warrant comes, you effectively have
>secure crypto. If secret backups are kept...then you effectively have
>no crypto. Thus, this poster is essentialy arguing no crypto is better
>than secure crypto.
No, the poster (me) has his brain in the wrong gear. As you can infer
from the first sentence, I meant the consequences of no backup are *better*
than the consequences of an easy to copy database.
--
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
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From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents?
Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr19.130922.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Lines: 28
Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu
In article <1993Apr19.144427.17399@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
> Gene Wright (gene@theporch.raider.net) wrote:
> : Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation
> : who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year.
> : Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin
> : to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then!
>
> I'm an advocate of this idea for funding Space Station work, and I
> throw around the $1 billion figure for that "reward." I suggest that
> you increase the Lunar reward to about $3 billion.
>
> This would encourage private industry to invest in space, which
> should be one of NASA's primary goals.
>
> -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
> kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368
>
> "Better. Faster. Cheaper." -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator
Also would maybe get the Russians Involved. After all they do have the resources
to do it in part.. But they need the capital and the goal..
I wonder if renting the russians resources would be a disqualification?
==
Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
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From: coe@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu (Mike Coe)
Subject: window manager
Organization: /users/student/coe/.organization
Lines: 19
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: leopard.cs.uidaho.edu
I currently use a window manager called ctwm which
is very similar to hp's vuewm. (i.e.
it has multiple workspaces). Is there a
motif based window manager that has this
same feature and is not a memory pig like vue?
mike
--
Michael L Coe | "A mind is a terrible thing."
Laboratory of Applied Logic |
University of Idaho |
coe@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu |
coe861@snake.cs.uidaho.edu
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From: gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Subject: Re: plus minus stat
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
Lines: 48
NNTP-Posting-Host: nukta.astro.ubc.ca
In article <1993Apr16.160228.24945@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA writes:
>
>In article 9088@blue.cis.pitt.edu, jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) writes:
>
>>Jagr has a higher +/-, but Francis has had more points. And take it from
>>an informed observer, Ronnie Francis has had a *much* better season than
>>Jaromir Jagr. This is not to take anything away from Jaro, who had a
>>decent year (although it didn't live up to the expectations of some).
>
>Bowman tended to overplay Francis at times because he is a Bowman-style
>player. He plays hard at all times, doesn't disregard his defensive
>responsibilities and is a good leader. Bowman rewarded him be increasing his
>ice time.
>
>Jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display a "me first" attitude.
>This rubbed Bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time.
>
>Throughout the year, Francis consistently recieved more ice time than
>Jagr. Althouhg I have never seen stats on this subject, I am pretty
>sure that Jagr had more points per minute played that Francis. When
>you add to that Jagr's better +/- rating, I think it becomes evident
>that Jagr had a better season- not that Francis had a bad one.
>
Actually, what I think has become more evident, is that you are determined to
flaunt your ignorance at all cost. Jagr did not have a better season than
Francis ... to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with a modicum of
hockey knowledge. Save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty
plus/minus ... it is the most misleading hockey stat available.
Until the NHL publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice
time per game and some measure of its "quality" (i.e., is the player put out
in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game; is he matched up
against the other team's top one or two lines; short-handed, etc), I would
much rather see the +/- disappear altogether instead of having its dubious
merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications.
Brad
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From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson)
Subject: COMPUTER/AUDIO/VIDEO/FURNITURE needed as of 4/18
Lines: 60
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
Lines: 60
Unless otherwise noted, I am mainly interested in USED items.
If you have (any of) the following for sale, please contact me:
EMail mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu
Phone (703)552-4381
USMail Michael Beck
1200 Progress Street #5500E
Blacksburg, Virginia 24060
Please give as much info as possible (brand, age, condition, etc)
~~~~~~~~~~WANTED as of 12AM, 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~
COMPUTER EQUIP:
1 CHEAP tape drive - pretty much any kind (Used)
1 Memory for PS/2 Model 50Z (New or Used)
1 Macintosh computer
1 486 66mhz chip (New or Used)
1 COLORADO tape drive, 250 megabyte, preferr. w/ 5 tapes (Used)
1 101 key-AT keyboard
1 High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive
1 Printer - OMS410 or HP LASER or HP DESKJET series
1 Printer - 24 pin or DESKJET
1 High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive EXTERNAL
1 Adaptec 1542 SCSI 16-bit HD/FD controller (Used)
1 Piggy back memory expansion for INTEL INBOARD 386
1 130 MB IDE Hard Drive
2 17" monitor, 1280 resolution, .28 dot pitch or better, digital
NON-COMPUTER EQUIP:
1 drum set
mult. amps for a band
1 TV - 27" or bigger, stereo
1 VCR - 4 Heads, stereo
1 Receiver - 100 Watts or more w/ Dolby Prologic Surround Sound
capability
1 Bed - Full or Queen sized - LOCAL OFFERS only, please
1 Desk - LOCAL OFFERS only, please due to shipping constraints
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From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller)
Subject: Re: Goalie mask poll
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences
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In article <93743@hydra.gatech.EDU> gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes:
>Current votes for favorite goalie masks (3pts - 1st, 2pts - 2nd, 1pt - 3rd)
>Others receiving less than 4pts: Mike Vernon (Cal), Clint
> Glenn Healy (NYI), Toy Espo (???), Gilles Gratton (???),
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is this Tony Esposito? If memory serves me correctly, Chicago. God I
hope I am right, otherwise I will never hear the end of it. ;-)
--
Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!
kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!
"A cow is not a vegetarian dish." -- Keith Keller, 1993
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From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley)
Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary
Organization: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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>[I think you're talking about the "assumption of the Blessed Virgin
>Mary". It says that "The Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin
>Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed
>body and soul into heavenly glory." This was defined by a Papal
>statement in 1950, though it had certainly been believed by some
>before that. Like the Immaculate Conception, this is primarily a
>Roman Catholic doctrine, and like it, it has no direct Biblical
>support. Note that Catholics do not believe in "sola scriptura".
>That is, they do not believe that the Bible is the only source of
>Christian knowledge. Thus the fact that a doctrine has little
>Biblical support is not necessarily significant to them. They believe
>that truth can be passed on through traditions of the Church, and also
>that it can be revealed to the Church. I'm not interested in yet
>another Catholic/Protestant argument, but if any Catholics can tell us
>the basis for these beliefs, I think it would be appropriate. --clh]
In the Bible, there are a lot of instances where God speaks
to people, where a person just "came to know" some piece
of information, where a person walks off into the desert
for "40 days", etc. With all of God's power He certainly can
do whatever He wants when He wants it. The Bible "ends"
with the book of Revelations. But does God's reign end there ? No.
So who can say for sure that God's messages are either no longer
happening or still happening ?
I can now hear the clamor for proof. 8-)
With the cold response I've gotten from the past from this
group, it's very hard to get the point across. I'll only
go over the physical stuff so that skeptics can look
at documents stored somewhere. I've cited the uncorrupted
bodies of saints before. They're still there. 8-)
The apparitions at Fatima, Portugal culminated in a miracle
specifically granted to show God's existence. That was
the spinning/descending of the sun. It was seen in several
countries. That event is "approved" by the Pope. Currently,
images of Mary in Japan, Korea, Yugoslavia, Philippines, Africa
are showing tears (natural or blood). These are still under
investigation by the Church. But realize that investigations
take decades to finish. And if the message is Christ will come
in ten days, that's a bit too late, isn't it 8-).
Other events under investigation are inner locutions ("coming
to know"), stigmata (the person exhibits Christ's wounds. And
they don't heal. And doctor's don't know why).
Non-believers are welcome to pore through documents, I'm sure.
This stuff is not like Koresh. Or Oral Roberts (give me $5M
or God will call me home). It's free. Find out why they're
happening (as we ourselves are studying why). If anybody
can figure this out, tell us ! You can be of any religion.
If you have the resources, go to one of the countries I mentioned.
These are not "members only" events. God and Mary invites
everybody.
So in conclusion (finally) ...
We RC's believe in the modern day manifestations of God and Mary.
We are scared to death sometimes although we're told not to.
There are more proofs and events. And that is why "not everything
is in the Bible". Although in a lot of the apparitions, we are told
to read the Bible.
As far as the Protestant vs. Catholics issue is concerned...
In the end, God's churches will unite. I'm not sure how.
I have some idea. But the point is we shouldn't worry
about the "versus" part. Just do God's work. That's all
that matters. Unity will come.
BTW, I'm just a plain person. I'm not the Pope's spokesperson.
But I am RC.
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From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)
Subject: 1988 BMW K75S For Sale
Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Lines: 10
3500 miles, black leather tank bra, tank bag, Corbin seat, Metzler 'B'
tires. Garaged and pampered. I can't afford to continue paying NYC garage
fees for two bikes so one of 'em has to go.
Best offer above $4500 takes it.
--
Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com
Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o
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From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Subject: Re: 16550 UARTs (was: uucico for windows)
Reply-To: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.03
Lines: 14
turtle@west.darkside.com (Fred Waller) writes:
>> 16550s are _not_ stupid!
>
> Actually, they are, in the sense that hardware solutions to
> a software problem are not proper. A programmer's function
[much deleted]
amazing. I could not find _one_ reference to waffle in all of this.
followups redirected out.
--
Russell Schulz russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca ersys!rschulz Shad 86c
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From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice)
Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Lines: 41
In <16BB4C522.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes:
>In article <1993Apr17.122329.21438@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
>darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
>
>>>>"AND IT IS HE (GOD ALMIGHTY) WHO CREATED THE NIGHT AND THE
>>>>DAY, AND THE SUN AND THE EARTH: ALL (THE CELETIAL BODIES)
>>>>SWIM ALONG, EACH IN ITS ROUNDED COURSE." (Holy Quran 21:33)
>>
>>>Hmm. This agrees with the Ptolemic system of the earth at the centre,
>>>with the planets orbitting round it. So Copernicus and Gallileo were
>>>wrong after all!
>>
>>You haven't read very carefully -- if you look again, you will see that
>>it doesn't say anything about what is circling what.
>
>Anyway, they are not moving in circles.
Oops, sorry, my words, not the words of the Qur'an.
>Nor is there any evidence that
>everything goes around in a rounded course in a general sense. Wishy-
>washy statements are not scientific.
Note that "(the celestial bodies)" in the above verse is an
interpolation (which is why it is in brackets) -- it is the translator's
(incorrect, IMHO) interpretation.
Here is Maurice Bucaille's translation (he studied Arabic for his
research into the Qur'an and science) of this verse:
"(God is) the One Who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon.
Each is travelling in an orbit with its own motion." (Qur'an :33)
The positive aspect of this verse noted by Dr. Maurice Bucaille is that
while geocentrism was the commonly accepted notion at the time (and for
a long time afterwards), there is no notion of geocentrism in this verse
(or anywhere in the Qur'an).
Fred Rice
darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
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From: jkellett@netcom.com (Joe Kellett)
Subject: Re: Hell
Organization: Netcom
Lines: 17
In article <Apr.10.05.33.44.1993.14422@athos.rutgers.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>
>In a short poem ("God in His mercy made / the fixed pains of Hell"),
>C. S. Lewis expresses an idea that I'm sure was current among others,
>but I haven't be able to find its source:
>
>that even Hell is an expression of mercy, because God limits the amount
>of separation from Him, and hence the amount of agony, that one can
>achieve.
>
I have also heard it called an expression of mercy, because Heaven would be
far more agonizing for those who had rejected God.
--
Joe Kellett
jkellett@netcom.com
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From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Subject: Re: Food For Thought On Tyre
Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau
Lines: 34
In article <1qh4m5INN2pu@ctron-news.ctron.com>, king@ctron.com (John E.
King) wrote:
> Not exactly. The prophesy clearly implies that people would
> still be living in the area, but by the same token it would
> never be "rebuilt". Obviously , if people are still there they
> would live in houses, correct? Their "nets" implies a fishing
> village. This is exactly what it has become -- a far cry from
> its original position of stature .
Let's see, if Alexander destroyed Tyre, and people move back, and
they construct houses, and after a while 14000 people live there
and still call it Tyre, it is not considered to be rebuilt. Instead
it's considered to be 'just-some-people-that-got-together-for-fishing-
and-they-needed-houses' place.
> So far I've seen stated figurers ranging from 15,000 to 22,000.
> Let's assume the latter one is correct. By modern standards
> we are talking about a one-horse town.
Sigh, I was never born in a city then (my home town has 10.000
people). I have to consult my city and inform them that it's from
now a fishing village. When this city (Kristinestad) was founded
in the 17:th century about 1000 people lived there, so the norms
were even more bizarre for dumb Swedish queens who founded cities
along the coast of Finland.
I would like to know why Paul thought is was worth mentioning the
small fishing place of Tyre in Acts. Again, maybe he was a keen
fisherman and wanted to visit the shores of Tyre? :-)
Cheers,
Kent
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From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)
Subject: Re: jiggers
Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com
Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
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I may not be the world's greatest expert on chiggers (a type of
mite indigenous to the south), but I certainly have spent a lot
of time contemplating the little buggers over the past six years
(since we moved to N.C.). Here are some observations gained from
painful experience:
1. Reactions to chiggers vary greatly from person to person.
Some people get tiny red bites. Others (like me) are more
sensitive and get fairly large swollen sore-like affairs.
2. Chigger bites are the gift that keeps on giving. I swear
that these things will itch for months.
3. There is a lot of folklore about chiggers. I think most of
it is fiction. I have tried to do research on the critters,
since they have such an effect on me. The only book I could
find on the subject was a *single* book in UNC's special
collections library. I have not yet gone through what is
required to get it.
4. Based on my experience and that of my family members, the old
folk remedy of fingernail polish simply doesn't work. I recall
reading that the theory upon which it is based (that the chiggers
burrow into your skin and continue to party there) is false. I
think it is more likely that the reaction is to toxins of some
sort the little pests release. But this is speculation.
5. The *best* approach is prevention. A couple of things work well.
A good insect repellent (DEET) such as Deep Woods Off liberally
applied to ankles, waistband, etc. is a good start. There is
another preparation called "Chig Away" that is a combination of
sulfur and some kind of cream (cortisone?) that originally was
prepared for the Army and is not commercially available. In
the summer I put this on my ankles every morning when I get
up on weekends since I literally can't go outside where we
live (in the country) without serious consequences. (They
apparently don't like sulfur much at all. You can use sulfur
as a dust on your body or clothing to repel them.)
6. No amount of prevention will be *completely* successful. Forget
the fingernail polish. I have finally settled upon a treatment
that involves topical application of a combination of cortisone
creme (reduces the inflamation and swelling) and benzocaine
(relieves the itch). I won't tell you all the things I've tried.
Nor will I tell you some of the things my wife does since this
counts as minor surgery and is best not mentioned (I also think
it gains nothing).
7. The swelling and itching can also be significantly relieved
by the application of hot packs, and this seems to speed recovery
as well.
Doctors seem not to care much about chiggers. The urban and suburban
doctors apparently don't encounter them much. And the rural doctors
seem to regard them as a force of nature that one must endure. I
suspect that anyone who could come up with a good treatment for chiggers
would make a *lot* of money.
--
Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development]
SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000
sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm
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