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Clare Brady
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Artistic Focus: Music
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Clare Promise Brady was raised in Albany NY, and was introduced to the Performing Arts at the age of 6. Auditioning and performing in Musical Theatre became a part of her world at a very young age, where s performed in well known venues such as The Egg, Proctors Theatre, Macayden Theatre and The Palace. She competed in NYSSMA for Voice for several years and took acting and singing courses at Russel Sage College in Troy.
Clare also attended The New School University in Manhattan NY for Voice and competed in Voice Competitions all over the Capital Region.
By the age of 25, Clare went on to start composing her own songs, with musical influences like Lauryn Hill, Madonna, Stevie Wonder, Aaliyah and Mary J. Blige. Having a natural passion for creating, and finding a love for production, she worked side by side with a well known studio, JGIMedia. Clare has wrote, recorded and coproduced over 50 songs, varying from R&B, Hip Hop, to Pop and Dance music. Her music has been played at prestigious venues such as The Barclay Center, as well as showcased on numerous radio stations.
Although Clare found beauty in production behind the scenes, performing in the spotlight has always been her calling. She has headlined many showcases in areas all over the Capital Region, as well as performing at the profound Cafe Wha? , Manhattan NY.
Clare is now working on projects with DJs and producers around the country, also creating music videos and recording, to paid shows and vocals.
Her latest objective is to have a fresh, innovative, empowering sound that will inspire generations to come through voice. Her undying passion speaks for itself through her soulful sounds of authenticity and love for the true essence of what music truly is. She’s currently working on creating her own label and brand, including live instruments, that delves into showing the world what her fresh, soulful sounds are all about to keep music alive.
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05/09/2018 — Amber B.
Brazil Museum Fire Proves Capitalism Strangles Culture
Two nights ago Brazil suffered the tragic loss of more than 200 years of work collecting, studying and presenting the history of the country and its many peoples. A fire engulfed the National Museum, home to more than 20 million artifacts, including a 12,000 year-old human skull, the oldest human remains found in Brazil. The Temer regime, and its imperialist masters, responsible for crippling austerity and brutal repression of the people, had also coincidentally taken aim at the funding for such national treasures as the National Museum. It was stated by those attempting to fight the fire that when they checked the two nearest hydrants, neither were functioning, so the water had to be trucked in from a nearby lake. Of course by then it was too late, the building and its vast collections of irreplaceable cultural pieces and research was being converted to ash.
Neoliberal capitalism does not share the sentimentalities of the masses of people, viewed backward and inconsequential to its own aim: the supremacy of the law of value over all other relations. The comprador bourgeoisie of Brazil, the petty monopolists and their bureaucrats have made that quite clear in policy. Beyond the defunding of the National Museum, whose artifacts are the most well known in Brazil, they have led an arguably even greater offensive not only against the history of Brazilian peoples, but those living peoples themselves through the slashing and burning of the Amazon, largely for the sake of expanding private landholdings and feeding the insatiable imperialist-oriented logging industry.
Indeed, capitalism is uniquely equipped to destroy entire peoples, cultures, languages. Genocide in the name of accumulation for a clutch of parasitic states is not an excess, but a cardinal principle, of globalized capitalism. The museum fire has only become an obvious symbol of the system foisted on the people of Brazil that has led to the mass-murder of the Amazon’s peoples, the wide-scale, indiscriminate destruction of land and the elimination of countless species. Neoliberalism wages war on Brazil, its history, its peoples and their cultures. It wages war on the land that sustains them and everything that unites them. The tragedy that this museum burning represents is but an extension of a bourgeois total war, and the masses have not missed this fact. The coals were still glowing when mass mobilizations to oppose the neoliberal dictatorship and their austerity broke out.
History itself militates against them. The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggle, and this fact is only too apparent to the masses of the global south. The neoliberal dictatorship, and the schemes imposed from the imperialist core, can destroy the people’s social history—that which can be measured in grams and meters, dimension and word count—but not their historic mission. Indeed, as the compradors have callously burned the people’s history, history will, through the armed and conscious proletariat, certainly return the favor.
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03. 02. 2017 / MarketingDIVE
UPDATE: Why the Snapchat IPO matters to marketers
Snap’s stock took off after its late morning debut, with the value shooting up more than 46% to hover around $25 per share.
Snapchat parent Snap Inc.’s highly anticipated debut on the New York Stock Exchange today is getting a lot of attention but, no matter how the stock performs, there are still a lot of questions about the company’s future that marketers will be looking to have answered in the months ahead.
Much of the marketing industry is hoping the initial public offering will be a success, if only because marketers desire a more competitive digital media landscape than the current one, which is overwhelmingly dominated by Google and Facebook. At Mobile World Congress in Barcelona this week, WPP CEO Martin Sorrell said his group wants a more balanced marketplace for the sake of its clients, and that Snapchat could be that desired third force, according to a report from Adweek.
Snapchat also has the potential, with its unique user interface and mix of media, to crack open what is perceived as latent opportunity to engage mobile users and for leveraging augmented reality. According to Adaptly, 65% of Snapchat’s 150 million daily users are creating photos and videos and spending an average of 25 to 30 minutes in-app every day.
“Each social network delivers a unique value proposition and caters to a different audience,” Jessica Liu, senior analyst, B2C marketing, at Forrester told Marketing Dive.
“Snapchat will aim to attract publisher and network partnerships that serve their positioning and their user base,” she said, noting that Snap’s users are distinctly young and focused on short-form content. “It’s not a ‘zero sum game.’”
Tech darlings
Late yesterday, Snapchat set the price for its IPO at $17 per share, which is higher than previous estimates, pointing to strong demand for the stock. If all goes well, the company is expected to be valued at $24 billion and to raise $3.4 billion, money it is likely to invest in building the platform.
With its quick growth over the past couple of years, Snapchat is following the path of previous tech darlings like Facebook and Twitter, who went public in an attempt to translate their success with mobile consumers into the basis of a broad-reaching digital platform monetized by advertising from big brands.
But Snap could find, like its predecessors did, that the intense scrutiny that comes with being a public company can be difficult. While Facebook weathered grumblings about its monetization potential following its IPO in 2012 to become a dominant force in digital advertising, Twitter has so far not been able to recapture the early excitement around its platform once its limitations manifested.
“Snapchat needs to provide a scalable monetization platform into its service for advertisers.”
— Chris Tolles, CEO of Topix
Snapchat faces some of the same challenges Facebook and Twitter did, including whether or not its co-founder and the face of the company — CEO Evan Spiegel, in this case — is the kind of visionary who can lead it to new heights in the face of headwinds, such as slowing user growth and a maturing landscape.
A few of the challenges and opportunities faced by Snapchat are also unique to the platform, like how the unusual move of only selling non-voting shares will influence the company’s evolution.
Although Snapchat has seen significant growth as a marketing vehicle over the past couple of years, it is still relatively small, pulling in just $404.5 million in revenue last year from Sponsored Lenses and video ads, as compared to Facebook’s $27.6 billion across offerings.
Still, brands who jumped on board quickly have benefited from unique opportunities to get in front of its highly engaged users.
“L’Oreal has done a great job bringing their products to life by adding an element of ‘try before you buy’ through sponsored lenses,” said Hillary Pitts, product strategist at mobile product agency Willow Tree. “L’Oreal has long dabbled with home try-on through augmented reality, so this was a natural next step for them in digital.
“The other brand integration, and one of my personal favorites, that is really memorable is the Taco Bell sponsored Cinco de Mayo lens,” she added. “This lens was playful, timely, and showed proactivity on Taco Bell’s part for meeting their audience on a platform they saw continuing to gain traction.”
Snapchat’s role in marketing could continue to grow if the young consumers who are ardent users remain loyal to the platform as they embark on careers and families and their purchasing power ramps up.
The app could also expand on the back of its successful content strategy, with a consistently growing list of publishers and broadcasters signing on to Discover. Recent research from eMarketer suggests these efforts are helping Snapchat attract older users as well.
Building a better marketing platform
From the beginning, Snapchat has been a difficult platform for marketers. For example, the user experience is unique — offering a mix of media and touch interaction — challenging marketers to figure out ways to engage with users.
In the early days, Snapchat also did not offer many of the services and features that marketers look for. This began to change last fall when Snapchat released an ads API to make it easier for advertisers to automate buying, with nine partners at launch. That API also offers real-time reporting.
Going forward, Snapchat will need to further build out its programmatic capabilities if it is to attract big advertising buys.
“Snapchat needs to provide a scalable monetization platform into its service for advertisers,” said Chris Tolles, CEO of Topix. “Ideally, they toe the line between user experience and revenue that other successful platforms have done such as Facebook and Google.
“Specifically, if Snapchat can provide a programmatic interface for advertisers that can bypass the ad tech morass others are subjected to — much like Facebook has done — they’ll be able to scale their monetization much faster and be able to easily support their initial valuation,” he added.
Snapchat will also need to offer metrics that are independently verified by the Media Ratings Council or another respected organization now that both Google and Facebook have agreed to such audits as pressure grows from marketers like P&G for accreditation to take place. If Snapchat doesn’t follow suit, brands — increasingly frustrated with a lack of transparency in digital media buying — could opt for another platform.
As Snapchat grows, marketers will also look for easier ways to link an ad to an in-store purchase or other real-world activity. This could require Snap to partner with other platforms, something it hasn’t done a lot of so far.
“Snapchat has already proved they can attract big advertisers,” said Willow Tree’s Pitts. “To continue to work with brands of the caliber we’ve seen today, they should focus on proving the business value of allocating spend toward sponsored products.
“ROI measurement based on beacons or geolocation for brick-and-mortar retailers is something I hope to see Snapchat offer post-IPO,” she added.
Beyond the nuts and bolts, it will also be important for Snapchat to make big bets on new and innovative technology and strategies if it is to continue to attract new users and brands.
A new Lens into AR
Where Snap ultimately decides to dedicate its attentions post-IPO will also determine whether it grows to be a digital advertising giant like Facebook or remains relatively niche, as Twitter is. Given the moves the company has been making of late, there are three areas Snap appears focused on that will likely see more R&D in the near future.
While not considered an AR-centric app, Snapchat actually derives much of its distinctness and value from the technology. Marquee features like Lenses leverage AR to offer users and brands virtual overlays of the real-world, greatly enhancing Snapchat’s core video messaging product.
“The biggest opportunity for Snap is to own an outsized percentage of the augmented reality future. The AR space […] will be a platform unto itself.”
— Ophir Tanz, CEO of GumGum
Though Snapchat’s AR offerings have been rudimentary in the past — essentially variations on the selfie filter — Snap has been active in expanding its capabilities to better recognize attributes including landscapes, and is reportedly looking to generate virtual objects that interact with the real world.
Following that, the company also acquired the AR startup Cimaginelate last year. Cimagine has developed a patent-pending, markerless technology that enables smartphone users to scan real-world products without the need of a reference marker.
As competitor platforms including Instagram and Facebook continue to mercilessly crib from Snapchat’s user-facing AR playbook — and steal the app’s users — Snap would do well to tie its AR products closer to something like the retail space, potentially carving out a unique market. It’s not hard to imagine brick-and-mortar stores letting shoppers scan or demo products using Snapchat, especially if it integrates features like what Cimagine has developed.
“The biggest opportunity for Snap is to own an outsized percentage of the augmented reality future. The AR space is going to experience massive growth and will be a platform unto itself,” Ophir Tanz, founder and CEO of the AI firm GumGum, told Marketing Dive in a statement. “If Snap can make its users’ interactions with the world akin to a virtual TV screen in a way that makes Snap the major AR gatekeeper, it will own mindshare and, as a result, brand dollars.”
Bridging TV and social
As video grows to become a dominant medium on mobile, social platforms, Snapchat and others are making bets on premium content to attract more advertising dollars. In the past few months alone, Snap has either brokered or extended a variety of deals with media brands including Disney, NBCUniversal and Turner to produce original video series for the Snapchat Discover portal.
Unfortunately for Snap, it is not alone in extending its video offerings past the user-to-user experience. Facebook, for example, is reportedly eyeing long-form, premium content and recently rolled out a set-top box application for TVs; Twitter plans to double down on its live video offerings this year as well.
Recent research by the firm Fluent also found that the majority of surveyed Snapchat users do not turn to the app to follow news, sports or entertainment. Snapchat’s core content model, which is focused on seconds-long video messages that disappear after 24 hours, also seems an odd fit for longer content.
However, just because the TV-like space is getting crowded doesn’t mean Snapchat’s premium output won’t attract eyeballs. The strength of Snap’s media partnerships — and the fact that the platform continues to attract new ones — signals that the best of what the app has in store is yet to come. And though Snap’s user base is relatively small at just over 150 million DAUs, it has shown to be dedicated.
More than a Spectacle?
When Snapchat officially rebranded as Snap Inc. in late September last year, it also introduced its first piece of hardware: the wearable sunglass-like Spectacles, which CEO Evan Spiegel referred to as a “toy” at the time.
Spectacles initially saw a limited rollout via vending machine bots, but they’re now widely available for sale online in the U.S., suggesting they might become more of staple product than a one-off novelty, as originally implied.
Reports also suggest that Snap has been dabbling in everything from constructing drones to 360-degree cameras. As Snap hammers home the idea that its a “camera company” first and foremost, it’s not difficult to see more Snap-branded hardware arriving post-IPO.
“[Snap’s] already shown that marketers don’t have to feel confined to traditional placements […] continuing to lead in this space will expand the opportunities for more engaging brand experiences.”
— Hillary Pitts, Product Strategist at Willow Tree
The problem with hardware is that it rarely catches on with consumers. While Spectacles are hot at the moment, they also recall wearable flubs like Google Glass, which screamed potential but ended up being clunky or off-putting for end users.
However, if Snap is able to successfully create its own hardware system and keep users within it, it will have accomplished something no one else in the social space — and, indeed, few tech companies outside of Apple — have been able to.
“I’d love to see Snapchat continue to innovate and add more sponsored products to their offering,” said Willow Tree’s Pitts. “They’ve already shown that marketers don’t have to feel confined to traditional placements, and continuing to lead in this space will expand the opportunities for more engaging brand experiences.”
The original article can be found on MarketingDIVE.
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This is an expedition style cruise that gives an ideal introduction to the Brahmaputra, one of the major rivers of Asia, that cuts through China, India and Bangladesh. The cruise begins in Guwahati, the gateway to North East India and ends in Neamatighat, Upper Assam. As you cruise along, experience the wilderness and witness the dramatic landscapes along the sandbanks, the little known villages and the people who live here. During the journey, you will also visit some of the interesting places of Assam; Kamakhya temple, one of the most important Hindu temples in the country known in the past for tantric sacrifices, an ancient temple, with pagan looking gods and goddesses and the dark interiors of the temple look other worldly; Majuli, which used to be the world’s largest river island, is the seat of Neo Vaishnavism, a Hindu cult. The island, today, is much threatened by climatic changes resulting in massive land erosion every year; the great monuments and ruins of the Ahom Kings in Sivasagar. Travel to Assam is incomplete without visiting Kaziranga, home to the endangered One Horned Rhino and many other exotic animals and birds. Here you will embark on elephant and jeep ride and explore the park. After the cruise, visit Meghalaya, dubbed as ‘the abode of clouds’ and the most scenic North Eastern state with magnificent views of rolling hills, lakes and waterfalls. You will also visit the living root bridges built by the local War Khasi tribes.
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Day 1You will be received at Guwahati airport and then drive to Kamakhya temple, one of the Shakti peeths and powerful temple of the goddess Sati. Highly revered as an important Hindu pilgrimage, the temple is known for its tantric practices. Thereafter, head to the port and board the ship MV Mahabaahu, where you will receive an Assamese welcome. As you set sail to Peacock island, catch a glimpse of a fleeting endangered river Dolphin. The evening will be dotted by presentation on the Peacock island and its most important inhabitant, the endangered Golden Langur and enjoy a talk on ‘Kamakhya and the Occult of Assam’, followed by the ‘Kamrup Swaagat Bhoj’—a sit down welcome dinner that completes the day.(D)
As the ship sets sail early in the morning, enjoy yoga on the deck for an hour and move on to breakfast, while cruising upstream with jungle-covered hills rising on either side, often battling against strong currents and stopping at an island that is occupied predominantly by Bangla speaking Muslim community who are involved in extensive farming. Thereafter, anchor at a deserted island for the evening and enjoy sitting around a bonfire and barbecue.
Today sail on for the next couple of hours and enjoy a relaxed lunch and reach Silghat. After a talk on ‘Tea and Jute in Assam’, take a short drive to Kaliabor Tea Estate which is a vast expanse of undulating estate with tea bushes and witness tea plucking. Thereafter, proceed to the tea factory to see the production process of Assam Tea. (The tea factory is not operational from mid-December to mid-February as the tea is at its dormant stage during this time of the year). Visit a nearby co-operative Jute Mill, an interesting place to understand how the Jute fibre takes the form of very eco friendly gunny bags. By sunset, enjoy a cultural evening on the ship.
Rise very early in the morning and drive to Kaziranga National Park, home to 70% of the world’s endangered One Horned Rhino and a varied density of other large mammals, apes and birds. The park is also distinguished for a high density of cats including the elusive tiger. The park has three ranges- Central, Eastern and Western and the vegetation ranges from woodlands, tall grasslands to swamps. After reaching the Central range of the park, embark on an elephant ride, which lasts for an hour and look for rhinos, tigers, swamp deer, hog deer and a large number of interesting birds. The park will not cease to surprise you one bit. After breakfast at a resort in the park, drive to the Western range and go on open jeep safaris, which takes you into the further depths of the jungle and wildlife adventure. Return to the ship for lunch and a leisurely afternoon. After the leisurely pace of the day and having recovered the lost sleep, get together for a talk on ‘Silk in Assam’, as the ship reaches the shores of Bishwanath Ghat. Here, visit the Shiva Dol in reverence of Lord Shiva and enjoy a walk through the village and see how this suburban village thrives. Return to the ship to enjoy an evening on a deserted island and then proceed to a scrumptious dinner.
This morning, the ship sails early towards the Eastern Range of Kaziranga for boat Safari. Proceed for the safari in tenders for about two hours. The shores are high but one can see roof turtles on protruding drift wood, water lizards, otters, elephants, wild buffaloes, rhinos, darters, herons, pied kingfishers, white throated kingfishers, serpent eagles and many more. The sightings though are determined by the weather conditions. Return for lunch and in the evening enjoy the Chef’s cooking demonstration followed by a talk on ‘Majuli’, the river island and the seat of neo vaishnav culture. The rest of the evening on a deserted island with bonfire and then return to the ship for the night.
After Yoga, as you have your breakfast, sail towards the Mishing Village and further on to Majuli, a cosmos of Assamese culture where various philosophies co-exist and thrive. The island was once the largest river island in the world but it has lost a third of its mass to floods and erosion that happen each year, Set off in our tenders to a Mishing village in the island. The Mishings are the local tribespeople here, who are excellent weavers and witness the rural way of life here, their bamboo stilt huts or just how they go about their lives in the paddy fields or fishing and the womenfolk busy weaving. Return to the ship for lunch and then set off to Kamalabari Sattra, one of the oldest Assamsese monastery and witness a performance of Sattriya dance, a classical dance where the Vaishnavite priests dance to the rhythm of cymbals, drums, and chanting. Return to the ship and enjoy a traditional Assamese evening.
After an early breakfast, start for a day-excursion to Sibsagar, the ancient city and capital of the Tai-speaking Ahoms who came in the 13th Century AD to the area from the north-east and were essentially of Tibeto-Burman origin. Sibsagar town literally means ‘the ocean of Lord Shiva’ as it is built around a huge man made water tank ordered by the Ahom Queen. The Shiva Dol, constructed in the year 1734 is believed to be the tallest Shiva temple in India.Also visit the Talatal or Kareng Ghar, palace of the Ahom Kings and the Rang Ghar, an amphitheater, a place of entertainment or important meetings for the Royals and their guests. Thereafter, drive to a Tea Estate for a relaxed afternoon and enjoy a traditional Assamese lunch with the family of estate owners, who have been involved in the tea business for over a century. Return to the ship by sunset and enjoy a relaxed evening in the Soma lounge before proceeding for dinner. Your last night on the cruise.
An early start for a 6-hour drive to Shillong, the capital city of the state of Meghalaya and home to the Khasi tribe. Shillong has rightly earned the sobriquet of “Scotland of the East” owing to the rolling hills, beautiful scenery and climate. Here stay at a resort overlooking the picturesque Umiam lake and rest of the day at leisure.
In the morning after breakfast you will visit the Don Bosco museum, which showcases the entire of North East under one roof. You will then visit Shillong peak and get a bird’s eye view of the entire city of Shillong. After lunch visit local Khasi marketplace and then go see a game of ’Tir’ or archery gambling involving archers to shoot over a thousand colourful arrows to get the lucky number and learn about the mythical story behind this game. Evening at the hotel/ lodge. Elephant falls.
In the morning, drive to Cherrapunjee, the erstwhile rainiest place in the world. On the way, experience the beautiful rolling hills, the flora and the waterfalls, most importantly the Nohkalikai or Seven Sisters Falls, a seven segmented waterfall which falls from a height of over a 1000 ft. Upon reaching Cherrapunjee you will check in at Cherrapunjee resort, located amidst clouds, green hills and overlooking the Bangladesh plains at a distance. After lunch go for a short trek around the village and meet the local people. Overnight in hotel at Cherrapunjee.
In the morning after breakfast visit the Living Root Bridges, the War Khasis, the local tribe of the place discovered an indigenous form of making bridges by intertwining the roots of rubber tree and use trunks of bet net tree as root guidance systems. The Double Decker Root bridge is one stacked over the other and is one of its kind in the world. start your exciting hike through meandering paths and thick tropical woods and little villages on the way down to the Double Decker Living Root Bridge. The place provides a perfect setting for a picnic lunch, after which you will start your uphill hike back and return to the resort and relax. You can choose to go for the day long trek or go for a shorter trek and relax in the hotel for the day with magnificent views of waterfalls, gorges and the distant plains of Bangladesh.
Check out of the hotel and drive to Guwahati Airport for your onward journey home.
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All accommodation on tour
MV Mahabaahu Cruise
Transport by Toyota Innova or similar (Toyota Innova is a MUV).
Tour Guide including local guides in various location
Services of Naturalists while visiting National Park
Elephant ride and jeep safari in Kaziranga NP
All entrance fees
Camera fees
Travel/medical Insurance
Alcoholic beverages, soft drinks, snacks between meals
Tips for local staff
Ri Kynjai resort, Umiam
Polo Orchid, Cherrapunjee
Passport and Visa Requirements
A passport (with at least six months remaining validity) and a current Indian visa are required for this trip. Please note that you are required to have a passport with a machine-readable bar code. You will need to apply for your Indian visa in advance from the relevant issuing authority in your home country. British Passport holders can apply for an e-Tourist Visa, a single entry visa valid for 30 days. Please visit the website https://www.hcilondon.in/pages.php?id=28
It is recommended that you take out appropriate insurance to cover personal accident, medical costs, repatriation, loss of baggage and holiday cancellation.
Please visit your GP for guidance for vaccinations while travelling to India. Please also visit this website for more details http://www.fitfortravel.scot.nhs.uk/destinations/asia-(east)/india.aspx
The currency used is Indian Rupee. It is recommended to get your money exchanged on arrival at Delhi airport.
River cruise itinerary subject to river conditions. Elephant rides subject to availability. Kaziranga National Park contains low-lying grassland which may not be visitable when the river is at or near flood level.
All tour descriptions and conditions are given in accordance with the information of Wild Rhino Adventures
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Jack Rooster is a Kenyan DJ, Producer and Radio Personality whose performances are more than just entertainment; they are stirring experiences that place the audience front and center.
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Born and raised in Nairobi, his life has been shaped and influenced by the rhythms and sounds of the vibrant capital city. His interaction with different personalities during his youth has had a profound impact on his worldview; this is clearly reflected in his music.
In 2011, Jack made the transition from avid music collector to DJ, Music Scholar and Producer. The continued guidance from his mentors who are leaders in the music industry can be credited for his swift progress. Within a year of his official debut, Jack was already playing at international festivals and guesting on various radio shows while holding regular residencies at some of Nairobi’s most sought-after venues.
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Remembering….
Lest we forget (Photo credit: Parksy1964)
In my thoughts about Remembrance Sunday has been the use of modern mass warfare against civilians. Syria is a recent example. We sometimes forget that only one in ten who die through war will be combatants. So whilst it is right that we remember today the heroes who have fallen in battle and the survivors who are mentally or physically scarred, we should also remember the women, children and men(not in active service), who happen to get in the way of weapons of mass destruction. Realists airbrush this horrific reality as ‘collateral damage’.
In the desert of New Mexico is the site of the first atomic explosion, which took place on July 16, 1945. Dr Oppenheimer, the man who oversaw the building of the first atomic bomb, called the test site Trinity, in honour of a sonnet by the seventeenth century poet John Donne, ‘Batter my heart, three person’d God’. Twenty years later he couldn’t remember exactly the reasons why. Perhaps he was influenced by the words “break, blow, burn, and make me new” describing in simple terms the sequence of events in a nuclear explosion.
Here is the full text of Donne’s poem,
John Donne, one of the most famous Metaphysical Poets. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
Batter my heart, three person’d God; for, you
As yet but knocke, breathe, shine, and seeke to mend;
That I may rise, and stand, o’erthrow mee,’and bend
Your force, to breake, blowe, burn and make me new.
I, like an usurpt towne, to’another due,
Labour to’admit you, but Oh, to no end,
Reason your viceroy in mee, mee should defend,
But is captiv’d, and proves weake or untrue.
Yet dearely’I love you,’and would be loved faine,
But am betroth’d unto your enemie:
Divorce mee,’untie, or breake that knot againe;
Take mee to you, imprison mee, for I
Except you’enthrall mee, never shall be free,
Nor ever chast, except you ravish mee.
John Donne was deeply divided between religious spirituality and a physical lust for life. Many of his poems, mix the language of the spiritual and the carnal; or the holy and the secular. In this sonnet, the poet is in a passionate conversation with God. Donne asks the “three-personed God” to “batter” his heart, for as yet God “knocke, breathe, shine, and seeke to mend.” He needs God to overthrow him and bend his force to break, blow, and burn and make him new. Like a town captured by the enemy, he seeks unsuccessfully to allow God into his heart. Reason, like God’s viceroy, has been captured by the enemy, and proves weak or untrue. Yet he says that he loves God dearly and wants to be loved in return; but this self-proclaimed false lover is betrothed to God’s enemy. He asks God to divorce him, “untie, or breake that knot againe” to take him prisoner; for paradoxically, until he is God’s prisoner, he will never be free, and he will never be chaste until God ravishes him. Extraordinary stuff from a Dean of St Paul’s Cathedral.
The nuclear test at ‘Trinity’ is the subject of “Doctor Atomic,” an opera, with music by John Adams and libretto by Peter Sellars. In the final scene of Act 1, Oppenheimer is alone and the bomb is behind a veil, a white curtain, with the shadow of the bomb projecting onto it. Oppenheimer can hardly look behind the curtain. He tries to reason with God, attempting reconciliation and forgiveness. The librettist uses the words in John Donne’s poem.
We live in a technological age, homo sapiens has become homo technologicus. A creature that is now counter-nature or even anti-nature. Technology has become anchored in the idea of the unfettered will displacing all transcendent frames of reference that might have limited technology’s influence. A contemporary of John Donne was King James’ Lord Chancellor, Francis Bacon. Bacon claimed that the development of the ‘useful arts’, a medieval term, which included the “mechanical arts”, was growing and becoming more perfect. He said that humankind’s mission to remake the world was in reality “but the footsteps of the Creator imprinted on his creatures.”
In his book, The Religion of Technology, David Noble says that the atomic engineers and scientists viewed the ‘Trinity’ project and themselves in an almost divine light and as saviours of mankind. They believed that the atomic bomb signalled a beginning as well as an end, “a weapon of death that might redeem mankind”. Mesmerised by their achievement the atomic pioneers behaved as if they were walking in the footsteps of the Creator towards divine-likeness, as much redeemers, as redeemed; the illusion of ultimate and unlimited power, like being God. Oppenheimer, after the detonation of the first atomic bomb, quoted the Bhagavad Gita, part of Hindu scripture, “I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.”
The realist tries to argue that the ownership of nuclear weapons by rational governments, prevents the world from becoming destroyed. But what if these apocalyptic devices were to fall into the hands of irrational people, like terrorists, would they be used and with what consequences? And should we worry about the inherent instability in regional conflicts such as Israel and the Arab nations, India and Pakistan, or North and South Korea?
Whilst the momentum towards abolishing nuclear weapons has increased in recent years, long-range conventional ballistic missiles and missile defence technology such as drones have increased. But even if this gives super powers such as America confidence to reduce its arsenal of nuclear weapons, other states may feel even more vulnerable. So nuclear weapons remain the ‘great equalisers’ in global strategic relations.
The realist may argue that war and violence is rational but there is nothing rational about a nuclear bomb even if today it acts as more of a deterrent. There is something hugely cynical and morally unacceptable in the belief that the choice is between being ready to will the deaths of many millions of civilians or give up our concern to keep world security and peace.
For a thousand years, the imago die, the divine likeness, has been a vision that has impelled technological advance, the vocation to be co-worker with God in the establishment of God’s kingdom and in sharing God’s dominion over the earth.
But the kingdom of God is justice and peace. It has to do with right relationship. The kingdom of God is about collective well-being.
Whilst the identification and advancement of the ‘useful arts’ towards the politics of perfection is a part of Christian history, the Bible says that ‘the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge’, [Proverbs 1.7]. Scripture counsels treating God with utmost seriousness, that is, being attentive towards God. Biblical wisdom does not begin in human autonomy, but in deep reverence for God. It is not just about intellectual capacity. Intellectual capacity needs to be counterbalanced with discipline, practicality and common sense. Wise people make a difference for good in the world by the way they speak and act; by their honesty, hard work, faithfulness and reliability, tempered by thoughtful insight and generosity of spirit. Not by making bombs.
November 10, 2013 · 07:03
At the end of the rainbow
Nov-embering Mull. This was meant to be a silent retreat (sort of) to quieten the thoughts that had been pummelling my brain recently, the interior soap opera that Martin Laird talks about [Into the Silent Land, OUP, p.15]. It was not a good beginning. A nightmarish journey from the ferry to my cottage at the other end of the island on the back of a single track road. In the pitch black. Torrents of raindrops glaring back at me in the headlights. A slippery, tarmac switchback road, rising, rising until, for a moment, I thought that I had been carried by a Valkyrie from the battlefield to Valhalla. Instead I found myself deposited outside a former blackhouse at Haunn. I stepped into the….. dark, dark night of the soul.
The next day was all sunshine and smiles. Sheep safely grazing in the garden. A hawk [buteo buteo] rising over the hill, mobbed by some ‘hoodies’ [corvus corone corvix]. My cottage was one of three built by fishing families, who would have used the natural harbour at Port Haunn. I descended the cliffs, now smoothed by the relentless battering of the Atlantic Ocean. Little sign of human presence save for the flotsam of ships’ detritus on the shore. Looking out over to the horizon to the flattened Treshnish Islands, just a few miles out to sea spoke of a creative edge of fragility. A fragment of the original chaos, elements of liminality, permeable and calming. The surrounding cliff sent out a frisson of fear. Not in the sense of terror, but the experience of wonder and awe and the indifference of the wilderness to human safety.
I walked along the raised beach, along a footpath that took me round the headland for about one and a half miles. I stopped to take every opportunity to explore the beach, keen to find the infamous Whisky Cave, the site of an illicit still. A glance over my shoulder reassured me that I was not alone. A rainbow had risen out of the grey sea and arced over the headland. However, several, more anxious glances later, as I continued my heroic scramble, revealed that the rainbow was following me. Just above the infamous cave the track came to an abrupt halt as the cliffs ran sheer down to the sea. It was high tide so there was little point going down to the cave and along the shore. I turned to go back the way I came. The shock of being confronted by the rainbow, much closer now, had me scrabbling down the hill and jumping the stream back to the flat headland.
The OS map revealed this to be the site of a ruined chapel so I dug out the guidebook from my day-bag. It spoke of possible mediaeval chapel ruins, and perhaps a burial ground, but little else was known. To my mind’s eye it was just a pile of stones. But to my heart’s ‘eye,’ I had a strong liminal sense of ʻplaceʼ and my ʻplace in the worldʼ which intimately connected me with my journey so far. Somehow this seemed just as important spiritually as my arrival at this sacred space. I became sensitised to Godʼs presence and said the Daily Office using the Universalis ‘app.’ A God particle on my iPhone. “How lovely is your dwelling place, O Lord of hosts!” [Psalm 84.1] In this silent contemplation I left behind my connections with the world. The words on the faux parchment of the app echoed around the stones and reconnected me to my mainland sadness but also led me out of it. “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.” The Canticle from Isaiah 2.3.
I walked on. A wood on the hill and a waterfall signposted the way, so I set off following a steep path up the valley. The ruined crofting villages of Crackaig and Glac Gugairidh lay beyond. They wanted to tell me their sad story. Unusually, not the highland clearances this time, but of how they had been abandoned after a deadly outbreak of typhoid. And I wanted to listen. A natural tragedy and I remembered the book by Annie Dillard I was reading,
“I am a sacrifice bound with cords to the horns of the world’s rock altar, waiting for worms. I take a deep breath, I open my eyes. Looking, I see there are worms in the horns of the altar like live maggots in amber, there are shells of worms in the rock and moths flapping at my eyes. A wind from noplace rises. A sense of the real exults me; the cords loose; I walk on my way.” (Pilgrim at Tinker Creek)
Tagged as Annie Dillard, Atlantic Ocean, God, iPhone, Martin Laird, Pilgrim, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek
Why we need a ‘greener’ Christian faith
Food – food access, food quality, food production – is one of the defining issues of our age. The rapid growth of local food movements provides a creative and essential conversation that links the revitalisation of rural economies, food access for urban areas and the health and well-being of all our communities, national and international. This is important because, as Martin Harper of the RSPB said at the 2012 Oxford Farming Conference, globally, agriculture is facing unprecedented pressures over the coming decades. Global population currently stands at seven billion people, and is predicted to rise to over nine billion by 2050.
However, the global system is failing in two major ways: hunger remains widespread, a billion people are malnourished, yet a billion people are risking damage to their health by over-consuming. Second, many systems of food production are unsustainable, degrading the environment and compromising the world’s ability to produce food in the future.
Human beings are the most significant entities in the universe. Our geographic imprint in recent times is now influencing every aspect of the Earth on a scale akin to the great forces of nature. Because there are now so many of us, using so many resources, we’re disrupting the grand cycles of biology, chemistry and geology by which elements like carbon and nitrogen circulate between land, sea and atmosphere. This new age is being called the anthropocene. It comes from the Greek anthrōpos meaning ‘human being’ and kainos meaning ‘recent.’ This age has been ushered in just over the last 200 years. However there are some who argue that its roots go much earlier.
The American medieval historian Lynn White said in his 1967 essay titled, The Historical Roots of Our Ecological Crisis [1967 Science 155: 1203-7] that the crisis lies not in what the Bible says about our relationship with the natural world, but what we have taken the text to mean at certain periods of history; how it has motivated certain activities: and how it has come to sanction a particular attitude towards nature. White bases his case largely on what happened in the Middle Ages. He says that the introduction of the heavy plough in mediaeval times made the large-scale cultivation of land possible and lifted agricultural production above the level of subsistence farming. This technological innovation revolutionised the relationship between human beings and the land.
In the medieval period, an understanding of God in creation reflected contemporary debates over humankind’s position in nature. It was not a scientific view of nature. It was one which found in the cosmos a moral and theological order and located human beings at its centre. There were other voices in the Middle ages. St Francis of Assisi is known for his framework of a theologically infused way of living. The lives of the Franciscans and the Poor Sisters of St Clare were dedicated to the life of the spirit and their spirituality emphasised the intrinsic value of nature. And there were the Benedictines, who united worship and labour.
On the whole medieval attitudes toward labour and nature, were positive but hardly enthusiastic. Farming was still hard work. It was undertaken by a feudal society in which land, woods and water were managed collectively. In the late Middle Ages, social changes and tensions caused by poverty and disease broke down the complex, formal structures of society and city. As the medieval economy grew, ancient forests were no longer chopped down to drive out pagan spirits or to make room for settled monastic communities and agriculture. Instead they were clear felled for ship building, driven by growth in international trade. Following the Protestant Reformation the medieval world was turned upside down. And the scientific observations of Copernicus displaced the earth from the centre of the universe and called into question the privileged place of the human race. A new narrative to describe mankind’s dominion over the land had to be found. Francis Bacon started to develop his theories in the natural sciences. Nature had to be removed from its curse. It should not be left in its fallen state but experimented with, manipulated and improved and mankind’s dominion restored.
By the seventeenth century, new sciences were developing agriculture and husbandry, and landscape gardeners controlling nature. Age of Enlightenment philosophy and its accompanying scientific revolution finally subjugated nature to the control of the rational mind, severing it from the roots of its scriptural and theological inheritance. So the medieval moral view of the world was replaced by a mechanistic one, a collection of self-interested individuals operating the world as an objective machine, no longer for the common good.
The primary measure of progress has become the growth of the economy: growth in production, in gross domestic product, in incomes and in consumption. Yet we live in an age when the ecological and social implications of indefinite growth in the economy are becoming
St. Francis of Assisi (circa 1182-1220) (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
more serious. The global economy is unravelling and we are in an environmental crisis. International efforts to avert the gathering perfect storm seem doomed to fail and national targets to tackle climate change are being missed who else can drive forward the green agenda? We are left with civil society of which the churches are a significant part. How should we respond? How confident are we that we can adapt religious teaching to the task of revaluing nature to prevent its destruction? How can we as church get engaged in issues affecting food, sustainable energy, restoration, and urban environmental management?
One way of becoming more active in civil society is through the network of environmental organisations. Some are faith based such as aRocha UK, Christian Ecology Link, EarthAbbey and Ecocongregation Scotland; helping members to understand and relate these responsibilities to their faith, so that we as individuals within civil society can confront the politicians, to ensure that responsibility at local, national and international level is not diluted.
The other way that churches can be involved is through our liturgy. It is important that we continue to give thanks for those who plant and grow, pick and transport the first fruits of what we enjoy today, even if the link with the liturgy of Deuteronomy is becoming more tenuous because the sense that everything is a gift from God has all but disappeared. Liturgical practice expresses a fundamental connection with structures of meaning and value in the universe, time and seasons. What was revived as a Victorian traditional service of the harvest has grown into a global ecumenical movement focusing on care for creation.
Our personal spiritual life is another key area. I mentioned St Francis earlier. The Franciscan way is a way of seeing our world that is different from our own but not in a world denying way. In a world affirming way. For St Francis the entire universe – the self and the total environment to which the self belongs – is a theophany, in other words, a manifestation of God, a creative outpouring of the abundant goodness and love which is the life of the Blessed Trinity.
God creates the world not out of necessity – there’s nothing inevitable about creation – but rather out of love; everything that is – is pure gift. Benedictines follow the Rule of Life written by St Benedict in the sixth century; one of their key vows is obedience. Obedience — abandoning our own will, cheerfully and ungrudgingly, comes from the Latin for “listen intently.” Spirituality has at its root the Latin word spiritus, meaning spirit, ‘the deepest centre of the person.’
If we were to live in such mindfulness, our vision would be one of one respect. Gazing on nature, we would see the incarnation of a promise yet to be fulfilled and that we are partners to that promise. We would see Christ is reconciling human beings with nature and nature with human beings.
The problem we face is much deeper than the likely devastating effects of climate change; it’s a problem that concerns the loss of our home – with each other, with the universe and in God. A loss which we are only now beginning to comprehend. The word ‘ecology’ comes from the Greek ‘oikos’, meaning our home; we need an ecology which recognises our ‘belonging’ as part of the universe and belonging with each other in God.
Francis of Assisi, with his sense of abundant giftedness, his recognition of brotherhood and sisterhood, offers an ecology which brings together the environmental, the societal and the spiritual. Such an integrated ecology is one that can lead us to a radical re-orientation – a revolution in our thinking, our living, and our praying, that will be the emerging Christian wisdom for a global future.
Tagged as anthropocene, Christianity, ecology, liturgy, St Benedict
April 3, 2012 · 10:46
Fools for God
Yes, I know, All Fools’ Day was last Sunday, but I am referring to a lifetime engagement.
Last Sunday, after I had distributed the palm crosses, I suggested that we might all become Fools for God. Nervous glances were exchanged. Like a court jester, I played fast-and-loose with the lectionary and chose some ‘foolish’ readings, one of them describing David disrobed before his slave girls wearing just his ephod [2 Samuel 6:20]. Restless shifting in the pews.
I then told the story of St Francis of Assisi. The saint had become a self-confessed ‘fool for God.’ He had a life transforming experience as a result of a startling vision of Christ on the Cross. He had been born into a wealthy merchant family. By all accounts he was a bit of a lad dreaming of medieval chivalry and going on crusades. After receiving the vision he began to seek God in solitude and prayer. He took some of his father’s best cloth and sold it in the marketplace, distributing the money to the poor. His father was not best pleased and hauled him before the Bishop in Assisi. There St Francis made the dramatic act of stripping himself naked, as a mark of complete renunciation of his family and the ways of the world.
By now the exit was being surveyed for proximity, so I reverted to the story of Palm Sunday.
Three processions entered Jerusalem. One was an imperial procession, led by Pontius Pilate, the representative of the Roman Emperor Tiberius. A joyful scene of music, dance and songs expressing confidence, security and happiness in the Empire. The second, the royal retinue of Herod Antipas, ruler of Galilee in full fig. The high priest Caiaphas and the temple authorities were there to greet them in their sacred vestments standing underneath the great golden eagle above the temple’s western entrance.
They had a difficult task. Their obligation was to the city of Rome, to the cult of the Emperor. The uncomfortable truth was that the name of God had become subservient to the domination system. The Temple was both the house of the God of the Jews on earth and the institutional seat of submission to Rome headed by a different god. It was a delicate balancing act managing this clash of theologies. Slavish fools keeping a wary eye on the public square.
Meanwhile, the third procession was a peasant crowd. The cloaks they were strewing on the ground were not expensive cloaks of finest wool, worn by the elite, the 1%. They were tired rags, smeared with toil and wearing the smell of the 99%. The procession was led by a charismatic leader. A liberator riding in from the Mount of Olives, completing a journey that had begun in the wilderness. A fool for God, acting the fool, mocking the political narrative of the other street processions after the tradition of the prophet Zechariah,
Rejoice greatly, Daughter Zion! Shout, Daughter Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and victorious, lowly and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey. [Zechariah 9:9]
Which procession are we in? Are we free individuals having rights to ʻlife, liberty, and the pursuit of happinessʼ? Living in a society of freedom and choice? But is too much choice liberating? Have we become fools feeling the beat from the tambourine, jiving and believing that we are having the time of our lives –
Friday night and the lights are low
Looking out for the place to go
Where they play the right music, getting in the swing
You come in to look for a King
[apologies to Benny Anderson, Stig Anderson and Bjorn Ulvaeus et al]
But which King? And will we follow if he asks us to be Fools for God? If we value job, money, reputation, prestige and acceptance of the crowd over and above our spiritual lives then we are in the wrong procession. We are deaf to the music of the radical Messiah, who is ushering in the Kingdom of God, where all are called but none will be “in the depths of the grave.” [Proverbs 10:18]
Tagged as April Fools Day, Palm Sunday
Render unto Caesar
Some months before Budget day, Mother Revenue was clearing out her tax cupboard and found some things that had lingered for a while and were beginning to take on an unpleasant smell. “Borderline anomalies” she muttered, “these zero-rates and exemptions were designed to determine the tax treatment of the goods and services which existed when VAT was introduced in 1973 and are long past their repeal date.” More mutterings, “In some cases the reliefs have been exploited by avoiders or non compliant businesses, allowing them to secure an unfair advantage over other businesses. Tch! Tch!” So Mother Revenue decided that they must go. “I’ll slip them onto the Starters List for the Budget and hopefully the Chancellor will not notice….”
And so it was. Amid the clarification of the VAT treatment of catering to make sure that all hot takeaway food is taxed together with sports nutrition drinks, and self storage, rental of hairdressers’ chairs and holiday caravans are all taxed correctly – approved alterations to certain listed buildings formerly zero-rated will now be taxed at the standard rated of 20%.
Meanwhile…., in a tiny architectural gem, a Scottish Episcopal church alongside one of the busiest commuter routes in Aberdeenshire, the vestry committee was meeting. It would be a good idea, they thought, to offer disabled toilet facilities in the church so that folks would not have to make their way to the village hall where the facilities are not so, ahem, convenient. And we could add a kitchen to offer refreshments after the church service. And what about a quiet meeting room where folks in the hamlet and others could meet in congenial surroundings with all facilities on hand? The village hall is a bit of a barn and expensive to heat and not really conducive for small clubs and the like. The vestry so resolved and a warm feeling was generated about making small contribution to the ‘big society.’
Plans were drawn up to alter the Grade B listed building. Few realise it has a colourful connection with Westminster Abbey through its interior architect Sir Ninian Comper. The son of an Episcopal priest in Aberdeen, Sir Ninian produced the beautiful painted glass windows for All Saints’, Whiterashes about the same time that he was producing similar windows for Westminster Abbey. The congregation was consulted, the neighbours approached about drainage matters and plans were commissioned for listed building consent, planning permission and approval of the diocesan buildings committee.
But then…. the Chancellor, George Osborne, made his bombshell announcement in the Budget. Actually, the weasel words were slipped sotto voce into Chapter 2, para 179. of http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/ budget2012_documents.htm (if you’re really interested). Consternation in the vestry committee! This will add at least £12,000 to the building cost! Can we now afford to go ahead and undertake the works required? This is a real blow to our ministry and mission, as we try to improve our facilities and make them more widely used by the community.
Of course, anticipating an unfavourable reaction, Mother Revenue had carefully pointed out in the accompanying Treasury document that the Government was ‘extending’ the scope of the Grant Scheme administered by the Department of Culture, Media and Sport to include reimbursement of VAT for approved alterations. The document did not however promise any increase in funding of the scheme. So an already inadequately covered scheme would simply be apportioned among a larger group of claimants.
So what to do? Render unto Caesar the extra VAT due [Mark 12:17]?
“By no means,” as St Paul would have spluttered [various]. Let’s contact our local MP and add this to the many examples of how this extra 20% charge will impact on the communities and fundraising of churches across the UK.
Repent therefore Chancellor! We shall come to you and will fight you with the sword of our mouths [Revelation 2:16].
Tagged as George Osborne, Listed building, VAT
‘Leaving Alexandria’ and ‘Love unknown’
‘Love Unknown’ is the title of Ruth Burrow’s latest book, Archbishop Rowan Williams’ chosen book for Lent. But it could also describe Richard Holloway’s quest for the presence beyond the absence, laid bare with searing honesty in his autobiography ‘Leaving Alexandria: A Memoir of Faith and Doubt.’ I have just read both books in quick succession and was struck by their experience of depression about the absence of God. Ruth Burrows found her faith in “The Word became Flesh.” Richard drifts away from his. Both confess that at times they have felt a sham.
Faith is not the same as belief. There is a tendency in contemporary language to make the two words synonymous. Belief in its original Anglo-Saxon is about holding dear, to prize, to give allegiance to, to be loyal to. The accessibility of the mystery of God is prior to theological reflection. Not the other way about. As Richard Holloway says, “The opposite of faith is not doubt, it is certainty.” And faith is not some mysterious religious quality which only a few possess. Faith is not something reserved for some holy, perfect, religious person, something given to some, but not given to others. Ruth Burrows attests strongly to this.
Faith is a willing, but struggling trust in the revealed intentions of God; it is a confidence in what God promises. It can only be calibrated in terms of depth and perseverance. And it is also about humility, since faith may be as small as a mustard seed, hesitant, uneasy, filled with doubts, and yet determined to hold onto God’s promises even though the world and all its wiles will do everything to assail us. All the great saints of the past persevered by faith despite being persecuted and mistreated. But in doing so they were not exercising some Herculean choice, the reward of toil in preference to pleasure. For them faith was not simply belief that there was a God but trust that God rewards those who seek him.
God calls Abram to leave his father’s household in south-eastern Turkey and journey south into Canaan. The promise God is making to Abram is a promise of blessing. A blessing to him and through him a blessing to the world. The promise of a blessing is repeated on numerous occasions throughout the book of Genesis. Eighty-eight times to save you counting.
The tragedy acted out in Holloway’s book is that God seems to be calling the precocious youth from Alexandria, Dunbartonshire with a promise of blessing. But first he is distracted by the formularies and ritual and monastic rigours of Kelham seminary. Then the peace he finds at Old Saint Paul’s Edinburgh devoting most of his time answering the knock from Jesus at the door, in other words, the passing vagrant, the insane, the drunk, the lonely and the homeless, eventually disintegrates into compassion fatigue. And finally, whilst Bishop of Edinburgh and Primus of the Scottish Episcopal Church, he allows the dogmatic certainty of the institutional church to provoke his waspish mind and he walks away from his priestly vocation.
Ruth Burrows, on the other hand, lives out intensely all the truth disclosed by liturgy, scripture and doctrine against a background of “black depression.” She matures in her faith, notwithstanding her “failure at prayer, not just now and then, but day after day, year after year!” Her advice is, “His loving gaze rests on you. You have no excuse. Gird your loins and follow the Lord.”
Abrams Falls Trail (Photo credit: Frank Kehren)
Both books are a wonderful read but both should be read with an open mind.
As we journey this Lent, God’s call to journey with him is not about having everything about the journey carefully worked out so that we know where God is calling us. Like Abram, it’s about being sufficiently open to God and ready to make space for God to work in us so that he will draw us closer to him.
Tagged as faith, Lent, Richard Holloway, Ruth Burrow
February 6, 2012 · 16:30
The ‘politics’ of discipleship
My letter in this week’s Church Times
I refer to your report on Lord Carey’s article in the Daily Mail (Bishops were wrong to defy Government, 27 January), where he reflected on his life as a child in a humble 1940s council estate in Dagenham. He says that his father was a low-paid hospital porter and his mother stayed at home to care for himself and his four siblings. In other words, he had a secure upbringing in a low cost home. Contrast this with a similar large family, receiving benefits, in London or the south east, where adequate secure affordable housing is scarce and most of their income passes straight to the hands of private landlords. At least the comparative family with a modest earned income, that Lord Carey and the government refer to, will have the cushion of the additional universal child benefit, preventing them falling into serious poverty, or even homelessness.
Sometimes I wish the length of Lord Carey’s column reflected the depth of his understanding.
Not anticipating a response.
My letter to my MP on the main issue
Dear Robert Smith,
I am very concerned about the impact of proposed cuts and changes in welfare impacting on poor, sick, disabled, jobless and vulnerable
It does not take much effort to expose some myths behind the official ‘facts’. Proving once again the old adage about ‘lies, damned lies and statistics.’ I suspect that many currently hardworking, taxpaying people are going to find themselves experiencing this welfare cap in the coming year. They may lose their job and home, have move away from family and friends, probably into temporary accommodation where they may be at the mercy of unscrupulous landlords [I speak from experience]. I wonder how many of those mouthing negative and abusive comments, in the slipstream of the Prime Minister’s populist stance about ‘facing up to the facts’ and ‘fairness to working people,’ have ever experienced such hardship.
Estimates are that around 67,000 people, rising to 75,000 in 2014 will find themselves in this difficult place; and the number of children who will be affected could be up to 220,000. Yet the estimated welfare budget saving is put at 0.1 per cent and as Eric Pickles’ private secretary helpfully pointed out to the Prime Minister’s PS, this ‘does not take account of the additional costs to local authorities (through homelessness and temporary accommodation). In fact we think it is likely that the policy as it stands will generate a net cost.’ I expect that you will be aware of the correspondence.
Charities and churches have cautioned that the current proposals will significantly increase homelessness and there is concern for working people receiving state support as well unemployed families. Low pay, joblessness and poverty are linked rather than separable and it is hard to escape the criticism of ‘divide and rule’ rhetoric, classifying people into the ‘deserving’ and ‘undeserving’ poor”.
This policy needs to be substantially rethought and I trust that the House of Commons will not be pressured into reversing the House of
Lords amendment yesterday.
He has promised a response which I am looking forward to having checked his recent voting record on the matter.
Candlemas with All (the) Saints
We are huddled like fledglings in a nest box, wrapped in layers of sensible clothing, against the sub-zero temperature. Our breath rises like incense. Coloured rays of winter sun filter through the prism of a stained glass window. It’s Candelmas Day and all the candles in the sanctuary are lit. Such extravagance! One expensive candle broke when it fell on the floor but is now repaired with Sellotape, which will melt with the wax. A thrifty tip from Aberdeenshire.
We say Psalm 84, “How lovely is thy dwelling place” but really we want to sing it to Brahms’ tranquil tune, to provide solace for the living. He wrote Ein deutsches Requiem following the untimely death of his close friend and mentor, Robert Schumann. Although dealing with the transient nature of life, his work is a message of hope for us all. We wriggle for warmth in the chancel the psalmist goes on, “Even the sparrow has found a home, and the swallow a nest for herself, where she may have her young—a place near your altar.”
Today is the story of the Presentation of Christ in the Temple, beautifully told by Luke. And we imagine Joseph, husband of Mary, standing nearby with his small wicker cage containing two doves. They have brought Jesus to the Jerusalem temple in order that they might do what the law requires for their first born son.
I think also of the later event depicted in Holman Hunt’s painting The Finding of the Saviour in the Temple and wonder what, apart from Luke’s report, Mary is whispering in her precocious son’s ear?
Our intercessions are offered for the world and its people, for those who suffer and those in need, for the Church and our diminished congregation, one is in a high dependance ward recovering from a nine hour spinal operation, another receiving treatment for cancer and another at home after a minor op. We pray for the ones whom we love and the ones we sometimes forget. We think of our mortality, then recall the psalmist’s concluding message of hope, “blessed is the one who trusts in you.”
Over coffee in the vestry, we look out on to the bare patch of ground where we hope to build an extension for a kitchen, disabled wc and small meeting room. Our eyes are drawn away to a clump of snowdrops by the boundary wall, seasonally white for purity and Candlemas. Reassuring in their joy.
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‘Hard Times’ a view from Coketown
“NOW, what I want is, Facts. Teach these boys and girls nothing but Facts. Facts alone are wanted in life. Plant nothing else, and root out everything else. You can only form the minds of reasoning animals upon Facts: nothing else will ever be of any service to them. This is the principle on which I bring up my own children, and this is the principle on which I bring up these children. Stick to Facts, sir!”
These are the opening lines spoken by Mr Gradgrind in Charles Dicken’s ‘Hard Times’. I searched in vain for some facts in last night’s news broadcasts about the welfare cap debate. The BBC contented themselves with smug assessments about the politics without making any attempt to dig below the surface. At least Channel 4 News had the temerity to contrast the coalition government’s steely resolve to cap benefits at £26,000 a year with the anodyne proposals of a distinctly uncomfortable looking Vince Cable. To be fair, both broadcasters have made a reasonable effort to fill in some of the detail in their online briefings.
Fortunately Twitter led me to the Child Poverty Action Group’s exposure of some myths behind the official ‘facts’. Proving once again the old adage about ‘lies, damned lies and statistics.’ I suspect that many currently hardworking, taxpaying people are going to find themselves experiencing this welfare cap in the coming year. They may lose their job and home, have move away from family and friends, probably into temporary accommodation where they may be at the mercy of unscrupulous landlords [I speak from experience]. I wonder how many of those mouthing negative and abusive comments, in the slipstream of the Prime Minister’s populist Gradgrindism, about ‘facing up to the facts’ have ever experienced such hardship.
Estimates are that around 67,000 people, rising to 75,000 in 2014 will find themselves in this difficult place; and the number of children who will be affected could be up to 220,000. Yet the estimated welfare budget saving is put at 0.1 per cent and as Eric Pickles’ private secretary helpfully pointed out to the Prime Minister’s PS, this ‘does not take account of the additional costs to local authorities (through homelessness and temporary accommodation). In fact we think it is likely that the policy as it stands will generate a net cost.’ And there are some other unintended consequences.
Meanwhile one of the coalition government’s other welfare claimants (the chief executive of the state owned RBS bank) should have no difficulty getting his annual top-up. And a former employee now running his brand as a company (Tony Blair, since you ask), will pay corporation tax on his net earnings of something over £1 million of just £315,000 (28%). Perhaps there should be a cap on all net earnings of £260,000. As Andrew Simms of the New Economics Foundation argued in 2003 (sic) a ‘pay ceiling would be good for both business and social cohesion.’ This is not an argument from a position either left or right of the political spectrum, but a plea for a moral economy.
As part of my remit from the diocesan Mission and Ministry Board I shall be looking at economics, ethics and justice in the coming year. The working title of my project is ‘Value and Values’. I hope I shall have something useful to say. In the meantime, following the principled stand by a cohort of bishops south of the border, perhaps our churches’ immediate focus should be on the upcoming Poverty & Homelessness Action Week 2012 (28 January – 5 February), helping to break the barriers that trap people in poverty and homelessness.
Tagged as BBC, Child Poverty Action Group, Eric Pickles, Gradgrind, Hard Times, New Economics Foundation, Tony Blair, Vince Cable
Walking the Lord’s Prayer in the winter sales
Image by jj_judes via Flickr
I made obeisance at the altar of Mammon by visiting the winter sales in Aberdeen. I slouched my way up one side of Union Street, and down the other in search of a jacket that wouldn’t fit. The jackets at massive discounts were in 44L or 38S and I’m a regular sort of guy. When I pounced on a cool jacket I was politely informed “Oh, this one’s not in the sale, Sir.” Thirsty and hungry, I came in sight of the St Nicholas shopping centre which drew me in. Eventually I arrived at its sister shopping centre which, as it name says, was ‘happy to meet me.’ I rested my very sorry frame on a seat in the gallery area, to be nourished with coffee and a pastry. Food for thought….
Our Father in heaven – in whose temple am I sitting? The tiled floors and walls, and the moving ladders to where? Two escalators up into shopping heaven and John Lewis, one escalator down, casting the shopper into the outer darkness of George Street. Meanwhile the ever watchful eyes of the CCTV and uniformed ‘vergers’ observed me closely.
Hallowed be your name – “Style and Substance” boasts the centre, Currys, Disney Store, Dorothy Perkins, Ernest Jones, H&M, Laura Ashley, Marks and Spencer, Monsoon, Next, Swarovski, The Body Shop, Tie Rack, Topman, Warehouse, holy names, sacred, consecrated, sanctified, blessed and revered.
on earth as in heaven – already present in our midst, though not yet revealed. Is God’s kingdom to be found in this sacred space? Sacred to the cult of consumerism? Who are these high priests serving us with our material needs as we strive to glamorise our lifestyles, in remembrance of the pages of the glossy magazines?
Give us this day our daily bread – all our earthly needs are met. From a quick snack to a leisurely lunch, we are enticed by the trends and the best buys, a ‘fabulous’ frock, lotions and potions for her and the phones and up-to-the-minute technology for him. Even an Aladdin’s cave of radio controlled helicopters, trains, with collectables from Star Wars, Harry Potter, Dr. Who and Star Trek. All for the child within us.
Do not bring us to the time of trial – is this about owning up to our acquisitiveness, our greed, the growing gulf between rich and poor? How much do we need for a sustainable lifestyle? What does living lightly mean? How will we manage our debt burden in 2012?
But deliver us from evil. Is this really an evil place? Bon Accord and St Nicholas and other shopping centres in the city are large employers, major contributors to the local economy, some working with the local community and supporting many local and national charities. Most of Aberdeen’s wealth is from the oil industry, a depleting source of energy supply, but as the oil industry declines opportunities will arise to use its skills, supply chains and technologies to develop alternative forms of sustainable energy and carbon capture, to try to reverse the effect of global warming. In this moral crisis there is yet hope.
Life is not easy. It is a daily battle. Trials can crush our spirits. False values and easy promises endanger our souls. We need to recognise that we need the earth more than it needs us. Our ‘transcendence’ is a fiction. More than ever before we need to restore our impaired relationship. And so we ask God to keep us from failing when we are tested, to help us to know the right thing to do, to avoid the evil which waits to ensnare us.
Back home, I switch on my iMac, search the virtual stores of Aberdeen. I find the jacket I have been looking for, in a size that will fit and at half-price! I click and collect….Oh dear! Lord have mercy.
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7 Free Attractions in Lafayette, Louisiana
Trip Date 03/26/2019
Destinations | Louisiana | Lafayette | Downtown Lafayette | Louisiana Swamps | Alligators | Acadian Village | Free Things to Do in Lafayette | What to Do in Lafayette on a Budget | Family Friendly Attractions in Lafayette
The primary destination of our late March trip from Austin was New Orleans where we met Scott's brother and sister-in-law. Since we were traveling by car, we planned a one night stay in Lafayette to break up the drive and give us a chance to explore the city. I have to admit that, although we planned our visit on the fly, we surprisingly found that there are many free things to do in Lafayette.
If you have plans to travel to Louisiana, check out this post for ideas on what to do in Lafayette on a budget. Even if the city is not originally on your radar, you may be surprised at all of the family friendly attractions in Lafayette. Ranging from seeing trees that are hundreds of years old to Louisiana swamps with alligators and more, the city's natural beauty will put a smile on everyone's face. Exploring Downtown Lafayette and the nominally priced Acadian Village will wrap up your stay with a chance to have fun and also learn about the unique Cajun and Creole lifestyles.
Located in south central Louisiana, the city of Lafayette is referred to as the Happiest City in America. Until you have visited Louisiana, you truly can't imagine how friendly and welcoming the locals are. Their southern hospitality is second to none, and you'll definitely notice that nearly everyone adds "Miss" or "Mister" before calling people by name.
Popular for their musical tunes and their food dishes, the history of the settlers to this area is very interesting to explore as well. The blending of the Native American culture along with the Acadians, Africans, Creole, French, Italian and Spanish created a city with a personality all its own. Although found all over the state of Louisiana, it is in Lafayette where the population of Cajuns and Creole is most prevalent still today.
Whether at a bar or restaurant, on a tour or, better yet, stumbling on to a festival that happens to be going on, listening to Zydeco and Cajun music is a must. No matter what your musical preferences are, you'll be happy that you did!
Make sure you don't eat too much before your visit to Lafayette as the local dishes are must try's! While popular seafood entrees including crawfish, catfish and etouffee can be found in restaurants all over the US, many of those recipes originated right here. Even if you are not a sausage lover, another must is at least a sampling of Boudin, a locally made sausage different from any you've had before.
. . . And now, the 7 Free Attractions in Lafayette along with one reasonably priced self-guided tour that are sure to add to your enjoyment in the city.
1. Survivor Oak
Located in the nearby suburb of Scott, Louisiana stands a tree estimated to be over 200 years old. The tree fell in 1909 during a severe storm in the area yet continued to grow, albeit sideways. Dubbed Survivor Oak, the tree was registered in 2007 and "dedicated to all survivors who through their struggles have found new life".
Survivor Oak in Scott, Louisiana
Roots and Dedication Plaque of Survivor Oak
2. Cathedral of St. John the Evangelist
The first church in the parish of Lafayette was located downtown at 515 Cathedral Street. Nearly 200 years later, the third structure located on the same plot of land is today's Cathedral of St. John the Evangelist. Sharing the grounds is a Cathedral Museum, St. John's Cemetery, the St. John Cathedral Oak as well as the Bishop's residence.
Cathedral of St. John the Evangelist
St. John's Cemetery
Standing 126-feet high with more than a 9-foot diameter, the live oak tree is estimated to be nearly 500 years old.
St. John Cathedral Oak
Here's a fun fact about the St. John Cathedral Oak: In the opinion of some engineering consultants, one of the large limbs weighs 72 tons!
3. Explore Downtown Lafayette
In addition to the cathedral, there is plenty to see and do in Downtown Lafayette for the whole family. Of course there's shopping and dining, but there are also museums for both adults and kids. Much of the downtown area can be explored on foot, and if you go that route, plan to spend a least a bit of your time at Parc Sans Souci. With two original beams from the World Trade Center plus actual limestone pieces from the damaged Pentagon building, you'll find a 9-11 Memorial. Take some time to read the inscriptions so that you don't miss any of the symbolism in the monument.
Lafayette's 9-11 Memorial in Parc Sans Souci
While you are there, join so many others by taking a photo of the colorful letters spelling out "L-A-F-A-Y-E-T-T-E" - but make sure that someone stands in for the missing letter!
4. Borden's Ice Cream Shoppe
Believe it or not, the last Borden's Ice Cream Shoppe in the United States is located in Lafayette, Louisiana. Just seeing the building brings back memories of years gone by, but a visit inside the shoppe is even more nostalgic.
Borden's Ice Cream Shoppe
We enjoyed remembering "Elsie, the cow" and the famous slogan, "If it's Borden, it's got to be good!" I have to admit that, once inside the shoppe, we couldn't resist sampling something from the menu which included lots of ice cream treats made "the old fashioned way". Since it was dinner time, we decided to share a two-scoop sundae for dessert (Pralines and Cream and Butter Pecan ice cream with Goldbrick topping) and eat a real meal later.
Two-Scoop Sundae at Borden's Ice Cream Shoppe
4. Girard Park
Close to both Downtown Lafayette and the University of Louisiana at Lafayette is an excellent place to work up your appetite for dinner (especially if you've just treated yourself to pre-dinner dessert)! Somewhere in its 33 acres, Girard Park has at least one activity that will please just about everyone.
Scott and I got our steps in on the 1.25 mile walking track partially shaded by moss-covered trees, but the park offers so much more. In addition to the track, there is outdoor exercise equipment for the fitness enthusiast and a playground for the youngsters. With outdoor venues for baseball, basketball, tennis, swimming and disc golf, there's something for all of the sports minded folks. If enjoying a picnic is more your style, you'll find covered tables with nearby grills. There's even a pond stocked with channel catfish (fall and spring) and rainbow trout (winter) if you want to catch your meal (Louisiana fishing license required).
Girard Park
If you happen to make it to Lafayette during the fall, you may get lucky enough to attend the free 3-day Cajun and Creole festival held annually at the park. Many of the dishes for which the state is known for are available for sale, so you can enjoy a meal in the park while listening (or dancing) to live music.
5. Alligator Habitat at Cypress Lake
In addition to moss-covered trees, Louisiana is also known for its swamp land inhabited by alligators. There are plenty of businesses offering guided swamp tours, but if you are looking to get a taste of the swamps on a budget, the University of Louisiana at Lafayette has the perfect answer. Cypress Lake, located in the middle of the campus, has everything characteristic of the famous swamp land, just on a smaller scale. In addition to alligators, turtles and other wildlife, the lake has plenty of moss-covered cypress trees.
Cypress Lake at University of Louisiana at Lafayette
Alligator Habitat with Visiting Turtles at Cypress Lake
Rumor has it that at times, the alligators have escaped their fine home on Cypress Lake to take a tour of the campus - so stay alert!
6. Sunset at Lake Martin
For a truly picturesque setting, head out to Lake Martin just before sunset to take some shots as the sun goes down over one of Louisiana's famous swamps. The beautiful orange colors in the sky coupled with the moss-covered trees make for a rather unique photo opportunity.
Sunset at Lake Martin
Moss-Covered Trees on Lake Martin
During our sunset visit, we did notice some boats returning to shore and also saw signage for various tour operators. If you have the time and are interested in a tour of a swamp by boat, consider doing an online search. Once you determine whether any of the tours are in your price range and during times convenient to your schedule, make contact before you head out to ensure space availability. A swamp tour should increase your chance of spotting alligators (and other plant and animal life) out in the wild.
7. Azalea Trail
Beginning at the Lafayette Visitor Center, the Azalea Trail continues for about 20-miles throughout the city each year from late February into March. With blooms in shades of pink, red and more, locals and visitors are treated to the beautiful flowering shrubs lining many of the city's streets. If you are lucky enough for your visit to Lafayette to coincide with these dates, be sure to look for the current year's Azalea Trail map.
Driving along Lafayette's Azalea Trail
Acadian Village
Although not on the free list, a visit to Acadian Village is a perfect opportunity to learn about the culture of the early Acadian settlers to the area. Priced at $17.35 for two adults, we wandered around the grounds of the village for just over 1 1/4 hours. It's interesting to learn how the Acadians made use of all that the land offered to live a simple but happy life.
Entrance to Acadian Village
Bayou at Acadian Village
Some of the homes and furnishings in the village are original and others are replicas. Moved from various locations in central Louisiana, they were set up to form a village typical to that which would have been found in years gone by. In addition to a collection of personal residences, the village is also home to a general store (where entrance tickets are sold), blacksmith shop, chapel, schoolhouse and dentist's office. Most are open for visitation on a self-guided tour. Many have period furnishings and others are set up with displays helpful in telling the story of the Acadians. If your visit happens to coincide with a special event at the village, you may even have an opportunity to see a demonstration by the resident blacksmith or purchase items which he has crafted.
New Hope Chapel
Vintage Gas Pump - Need a Fill-up?
Nearly all of the homes and home furnishings were constructed on each of the sites where they originally stood. Most homes had armoires rather than closets which were considered an additional room and would therefore be taxed. Some families had swinging fans attached to ropes that hung over the tables where they dined. These fans were "powered" by young boys pulling the rope and served two purposes - cooling and shooing away flies!
Castille House across Acadian Village's Bayou
La Maison LeBlanc
There's a large covered pavilion for group events as well as a nicely done monument dedicated to all Louisiana Veterans. As you walk through the village, make sure to be on the lookout for local wildlife. We saw a snake, ducks, turtles and even an opossum during our visit.
Monument to all Louisiana Military Veterans
Wildlife at Lafayette's Acadian Village
Swamp Tours
If you have an interest in a swamp tour, stop back soon to check out our post titled Louisiana Airboat Adventure and Swamp Tour. Having been on previous airboat tours in both Louisiana and Florida, this swamp tour was by far the best. With a total of only 8 passengers plus our captain, our smaller boat was able to navigate through some of the narrower canals allowing us to go where bigger boats could not.
Favorite Attractions in Lafayette
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FAYETTEVILLE – Razorbacks Mason Overstreet and Julian Perico are set to play in the 45th annual Sun Bowl Marathon All-America Golf Classic Nov. 24-26 at El Paso (Texas) Country Club (par 71, 6,889 yards).
Sunday, November 24 (all times Mountain)
9 a.m. Titleist Long Drive
10 a.m. PING Putting Contest
12 p.m. Pro-Am
8 a.m. First & Second Rounds
8 a.m. Final Round
This will be Overstreet’s third appearance at the Sun Bowl Classic. The senior placed seventh in 2017 and was 17th last season. Perico will be making his first trip to the annual event.
Overstreet and Perico will be a part of the largest field ever at the Sun Bowl Marathon All-America Golf Classic
“Players are invited to this tournament because of their many college achievements and outstanding amateur career and ranking,” said Tournament Director Bob Kimble. “I can assure the fans that many future PGA Tour players will be out on the course during this tournament.”
The Sun Bowl Marathon All-America Golf Classic is one of the premier amateur golf tournaments in the country. Some of golf’s brightest stars have traveled to El Paso to compete in the tournament since its inaugural year in 1974.
Jordan Spieth, Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, Davis Love III, Justin Thomas, Notah Begay and Jerry Pate are just a handful of past participants who went on to have successful PGA careers. College All-America Golf Classic Alumni have combined to win 53 major championships and have earned over $2 billion in career earnings.
The annual event starts with the Titleist Long Drive Contest and PING Putting Contest on Sunday, Nov. 24 at 9 a.m. (MT). The best opportunity for fans to get photos with the future PGA players and obtain autographs is on Sunday immediately following the two contests.
Rounds one and two are scheduled for Monday, Nov. 25 with a shotgun start scheduled for 8 a.m. (MT) while the final round is set for 8 a.m. (MT) on Tuesday, Nov. 26. The Lee Trevino Trophy will be presented to the winner immediately following Tuesday’s play.
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West Wendover readies for marijuana dispensary, just 90-minutes' drive from Salt Lake City
Health • City Council in Nevada border town approves outlet location, expects applications.
Scott Sommerdorf | The Salt Lake Tribune Wendover Will, the neon smoking cowboy statue guarding the entrance to west Wendover Tribune file photo Rick Bowmer | The Associated Press Desiree Hennessy, center, attends to her adopted son Hestevan, who has cerebral palsy and suf Rick Egan | Tribune file photo State Sen. Mark Madsen, R-Saratoga Springs, sponsor of the medical marijuana bill SB73 discussed h Francisco Kjolseth | Tribune file photo State Sen. Mark Madsen, R-Saratoga Springs, sponsor of the medical marijuana bill SB73 in
Scott Sommerdorf | The Salt Lake Tribune Wendover Will, the neon smoking cowboy statue guarding the entrance to west Wendover, Monday, October 24, 2016. Tribune file photo Rick Bowmer | The Associated Press Desiree Hennessy, center, attends to her adopted son Hestevan, who has cerebral palsy and suffers from chronic nerve pain, seizure disorder, during the Utah Patients Coalition news conference on June 26, 2017, in Salt Lake City. A group of activists and Utah residents with chronic conditions has launched a ballot initiative to ask voters next year to pass a broad medical marijuana law. Rick Egan | Tribune file photo State Sen. Mark Madsen, R-Saratoga Springs, sponsor of the medical marijuana bill SB73 discussed his bill on the floor of the Utah Senate in February 2016. Francisco Kjolseth | Tribune file photo State Sen. Mark Madsen, R-Saratoga Springs, sponsor of the medical marijuana bill SB73 in 2016 faces a packed room with those expressing interest in the hearing at the Utah Capitol.
By Kelly Gifford The Salt Lake Tribune
· July 19, 2017 9:37 pm
West Wendover is officially ready for a medical marijuana dispensary – now all the city has to do is wait for interested businesses to apply.
The City Council voted 4-to-1 on Tuesday in favor of an ordinance allowing a marijuana dispensary to open within its borders, the city's clerk confirmed. The Nevada city – on Utah's western border about 120 miles from Salt lake City – will soon accept bids from businesses interested in building and operating the facility, once the ordinance takes effect in mid-August.
The dispensary will be located in the city's industrial area, city clerk Anna Bartlome said, as the location meets state requirements barring proximity to churches, schools and residential areas.
Councilwoman Jasie Holm cast the lone opposing vote, reportedly over concerns about limiting the dispensary to West Wendover's industrial park. Councilman John Hanson said he supported the location as it allows city residents who don't favor medical marijuana to avoid being exposed to it daily.
Mayor Daniel Corona said on Wednesday that the ordinance's approval shows how far West Wendover has come in embracing the potential of marijuana commerce.
Just a year ago, when the first medical dispensaries began opening in Nevada, West Wendover's elected leaders "didn't want to deal with it," Corona said. "So they put it on the back burner."
"Even though we are a year behind the rest of the state," the mayor said Wednesday, "we have made great strides."
Under state law, Bartlome said West Wendover is only allowed one dispensary given its resident population of around 5,000. The ordinance also stipulates that the dispensary's owner must already own and operate a similar businesses elsewhere in Nevada – a requirement Corona said will let the city to work with owners who already understand the business.
City staff is now creating application guidelines, deadlines and other details to give to businesses once the ordinance is in place. Bartlome said those guidelines will be subject to City Council approval before mid-August.
Corona hopes the dispensary will be built and ready for business by the start of 2018.
Although the ordinance approved Tuesday is specific to medical marijuana, Corona said he intended to work with council members toward approval of recreational marijuana by the time the medical dispensary is set to open.
Although there aren't specific details on the structure of recreational marijuana in West Wendover, Corona said it could potentially be purchased at the same dispensary – a practice used in other Nevada cities such as Mesquite.
In 2013, Nevada lawmakers passed a measure allowing cities to pass zoning and land-use ordinances for marijuana-based businesses. As of mid-March, there were about 55 medical dispensaries in Nevada, which can sell marijuana to those with registration cards from at least 25 states, according to the state's Division of Public and Behavioral Health.
Despite the West Wendover dispensary being only a 90-minute drive away from Utah's main population center, a Utah Medical Association official said it is still against federal law for Utah doctors to prescribe medical marijuana to state residents.
Nothing would prohibit a Utah doctor from referring a patient to another provider who might help with meeting Nevada's requirements, however, the official added.
It would remain illegal to bring prescribed cannabis across the Utah line. Although he does not condone Utah residents transporting medical marijuana across state lines, Corona said it isn't West Wendover's responsibility to make sure people are abiding by those laws.
According to current federal law, authorities cannot block states from creating medical marijuana laws, protecting patients, caregivers and businesses from prosecution. That law, however, expires Sept. 30 and would need reauthorization from Congress.
In late June, activists in Utah submitted a ballot initiative to put marijuana legalization to a vote in November 2018. Utah lawmakers, meanwhile, have taken up the issue of legalizing medical marijuana several times.
During its most recent general sessions, the state Legislature decided against legalizing medical marijuana given uncertainty surrounding federal enforcement of marijuana laws under the Trump administration.
Instead, state lawmakers passed measures to fund research in Utah into marijuana's potential benefits.
In 2016, state lawmakers came close to legalizing medical marijuana with two dueling bills, but a compromise proposal failed in the legislative session's final hours when it was discovered that no money had been set aside to implement the program.
A Utah law passed in 2014 allowing Utahns with severe epilepsy to import whole-plant cannabidiol extracts from states with legalized medical marijuana. The Utah Department of Health now issues hemp extract registration cards to qualified patients, with 166 cards approved between July 2014 and Oct. 2016.
As of April, 29 states and Washington, D.C., have legalized medical marijuana in some way, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.
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A Bungalow Worth the Wait!
Once rather a mess, this 1915 San Diego bungalow was restored over a period of 25 years. Lots of DIY labor produced stunning results.
Thomas Shess
A modest bungalow in San Diego is restored to become the family's dream house.
Gary Payne
In January of 1989, three years into our marriage and with a toddler son, we were looking to buy our first home when Phyllis came across an ad for a house in our price range. “I have a good feeling about this one,” she said before we’d laid eyes on it. The candidate was in North Park, an older urban neighborhood near downtown and next door to Balboa Park—San Diego’s version of Central Park. How bad could it be?
Well, we can laugh about it now. Let’s just say—for Tom—it wasn’t love at first sight. Curb appeal was so-so, and the neighborhood was struggling. Phyllis, however, was elated: “I knew it in my heart that we could turn this fixer-upper into our dream home.” She liked the open floor plan of 2,000 square feet, the multi-pane windows with wavy glass. A large family room had been added in the 1960s, as well as a swimming pool.
The owners’ first piece of furniture was the Stickley leather settle. Reproduction lamps warm the golden room at night.
But all Tom could see was Pepto-Bismol pink everywhere. The seller had decorated the 1915 Craftsman Bungalow with her beloved Victoriana. The family room had flocked wallpaper and a Roaring Twenties motif complete with a lava-rock fireplace flanked by red plastic sidelights, and a giant pool table. The deferred maintenance in the kitchen was staggering and the house needed a new roof. Of course, we bought it.
In the dining room, French doors replaced a plate-glass window flanked by small casements. The tiger-oak table is ca. 1895; chairs are vintage, as are textiles with Arts & Crafts embroidery.
With our every nickel gone to the down payment, home improvements had to wait. The delay afforded us time to research the Arts & Crafts genre. After absorbing period-architecture magazines and attending several Craftsmen Weekends in Pasadena, we came away Born Again. Though this modest house was one of dozens built to house professionals for the 1915–16 Panama–California Exposition in Balboa Park, we envisioned one day having our own mini Greene & Greene home.
Our journey was worth every dime and every minute we spent. It started with Tom scraping off at least seven layers of interior paint. When it was down to bare wood, ghosting revealed where original elements had been. To our joy, we found pristine pocket doors covered up in a 1919 remuddling; now it was easy to turn the front parlor into a private guest room.
Our first hire was a contractor who transformed the saloon motif in the family room to create a comfortable media center. We closed off the sunken billiards room to create a master suite. We re-stained the original Douglas fir trim and wainscoting in the front rooms. As is typical, woodwork in the bedrooms, bath, and family room is painted.
In the bathroom, only the tub was original, so the room was overhauled in period fashion. The medicine cabinet is based on a 1916 original.
The same summer, an economic downturn found Tom with hundreds of hours to spare and a heat gun in hand. Off came the exterior paint. “I only fell off my jerry-rigged scaffolding twice,” Tom says. Next we hired a landscape designer, and soon had a south-side brick patio and fountain, an outdoor kitchen. In our first “oh no!” moment, we realized we had to go around the house from front or back to get to the new side garden. All along we had focused on maintaining the original architecture. Now we eyed the plate-glass window overlooking the new garden. Old wavy glass or not, we decided to replace it with double French doors matching those in the house. Good call: The setup looks original, and we use those doors every day.
The cozy kitchen features new Douglas fir cabinets.
We put off the kitchen until we could afford to do it right. Eventually we hired a bungalow-savvy contractor with the patience to put up with Phyllis’s detailed and determined oversight. The contractor, himself an artist, designed and built the Mission-style table and storage benches.
Framed vegetable and fruit labels are vintage, as are Jadeite salt and pepper shakers.
Our crystal ball hadn’t revealed that North Park would become what Forbes magazine and the New York Times called “one of America’s hippest neighborhoods.” We’d no idea we’d made such a good investment. To us, this was simply the forever home. Recently retired, we just celebrated our 30th wedding anniversary in our favorite place. This little bungalow.
Seemingly historic in the tradition of Batchelder tile, the living room’s fireplace surround, a handsome focal point, is actually new work by tile artist Laird Plumleigh.
Revival Work in an Original
The 1915 house contributes to the historic district, yet it’s not a museum. The most notable addition is the new fireplace, which replaced over-painted brick that had weeds growing from it. A few years earlier, Phyllis Shess had invested in a large ‘Palomar Oak’ art tile by a Laird Plumleigh, “a charming fellow from Encinitas.” The thought occurred that it could be “displayed” as part of the new surround. With the Plumleigh tile in hand and visions of Batchelder fireplaces, the couple looked for the right craftsmen. It didn’t take long to discover Jim Crawford of Authentic Fireplaces and his assembled team of masons, tile setters, and carpenters who used Old World techniques. Jim loaned Phyllis a copy of his original Batchelder catalog to inform the design. In a visit to Plumleigh’s “boneyard,” they found perfect green and gold field tiles to complement the art tile. Phyllis laid the tiles out in the parlor, numbered each piece, and took a photo to guide the tile setters. The flanking cabinet glass, inspired by Frank Lloyd Wright, is by Barry May. The Douglas fir shelf and cabinets were stained to match original woodwork.
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Aquatic prey capture in ray-finned fishes: A century of progress and new directions
Lara Ferry, Peter C. Wainwright, C. Darrin Hulsey
The head of ray-finned fishes is structurally complex and is composed of numerous bony, muscular, and ligamentous elements capable of intricate movement. Nearly two centuries of research have been devoted to understanding the function of this cranial musculoskeletal system during prey capture in the dense and viscous aquatic medium. Most fishes generate some amount of inertial suction to capture prey in water. In this overview we trace the history of functional morphological analyses of suction feeding in ray-finned fishes, with a particular focus on the mechanisms by which suction is generated, and present new data using a novel flow imaging technique that enables quantification of the water flow field into the mouth. We begin with a brief overview of studies of cranial anatomy and then summarize progress on understanding function as new information was brought to light by the application of various forms of technology, including high-speed cinematography and video, pressure, impedance, and bone strain measurement. We also provide data from a new technique, digital particle image velocimetry (DPIV) that allows us to quantify patterns of flow into the mouth. We believe that there are three general areas in which future progress needs to occur. First, quantitative three-dimensional studies of buccal and opercular cavity dimensions during prey capture are needed; sonomicrometry and endoscopy are techniques likely to yield these data. Second, a thorough quantitative analysis of the flow field into the mouth during prey capture is necessary to understand the effect of head movement on water in the vicinity of the prey; three-dimensional DPIV analyses will help to provide these data. Third, a more precise understanding of the fitness effects of structural and functional variables in the head coupled with rigorous statistical analyses will allow us to better understand the evolutionary consequences of intra- and interspecific variation in cranial morphology and function.
Journal of Morphology
https://doi.org/10.1002/jmor.1023
Skates (Fish)
Cineradiography
Head Movements
interspecific variation
Digital particle image velocimetry
Prey capture
Suction feeding
Ferry, L., Wainwright, P. C., & Hulsey, C. D. (2001). Aquatic prey capture in ray-finned fishes: A century of progress and new directions. Journal of Morphology, 248(2), 99-119. https://doi.org/10.1002/jmor.1023
Aquatic prey capture in ray-finned fishes : A century of progress and new directions. / Ferry, Lara; Wainwright, Peter C.; Hulsey, C. Darrin.
In: Journal of Morphology, Vol. 248, No. 2, 2001, p. 99-119.
Ferry, L, Wainwright, PC & Hulsey, CD 2001, 'Aquatic prey capture in ray-finned fishes: A century of progress and new directions', Journal of Morphology, vol. 248, no. 2, pp. 99-119. https://doi.org/10.1002/jmor.1023
Ferry L, Wainwright PC, Hulsey CD. Aquatic prey capture in ray-finned fishes: A century of progress and new directions. Journal of Morphology. 2001;248(2):99-119. https://doi.org/10.1002/jmor.1023
Ferry, Lara ; Wainwright, Peter C. ; Hulsey, C. Darrin. / Aquatic prey capture in ray-finned fishes : A century of progress and new directions. In: Journal of Morphology. 2001 ; Vol. 248, No. 2. pp. 99-119.
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Guess Who Suffers Under Bernie's Grand Plan?
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Do You Side With Trump or the RADICAL Left? [VOTE NOW]
Democratic presidential contender Bernie Sanders has finally admitted his plan to provide "Medicare for All" will involve raising taxes on middle and low-income workers.
It should come as no surprise the Democratic socialist has been one of the fiercest defenders of nationalized healthcare, considering he wrote the original bill.
While Sanders is at least honest about how every American will share the misery of living in a socialist "utopia," he duplicitously claims those tax increases we mentioned earlier will somehow cost hardworking Americans less in the long run.
Per Townhall:
Bernie has targeted the wealthy, saying they should "pay their fair share" (whatever that means), but he hasn't been very descriptive about what tax increases would look like if his Medicare for All plan was implemented. During a town hall meeting in Salem, New Hampshire, Sanders laid out the tax proposal associated with his plan.
“What we will do — what we will do is have a four percent tax on income exempting the first $29,000," he told a cheering crowd. "All right, good. You — you’re better at arithmetic than I am. Because what that means is if you are that average family in the middle who makes $60,000 a year, that means we’re going to tax you on $31,000 at four percent.”
There are a few problems with this proposal:
Is the $29,000 exemption for couples then? What is the exemption, if any, for singles? Is it safe to assume that exemption would be $14,500 (half of what he proposed for families)?
Even with that exemption, Sanders' plan negatively affects the people he claims to champion.
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Ruger M77 Hawkeye African 9.3X62
Measurements, Metrics & Misunderstandings
ruger Rifle
Tank’s Ruger “African” displays the classic looks of a turn of the century safari rifle. The Bill Snow blade is a drop-point “Loveless” design with elephant ivory scales. Hornady makes ammo for the 9.3X62.
I know what you’re thinking, this being American Handgunner, why in the hell is Tank telling us about a rifle? “Because I like you, I want you to know of a very cool rifle before they’re all snatched up! Besides, life isn’t “all-handgunning all the time” right?
Metric Conversions?
Most Americans have stubbornly fought the metric system. I first heard of it as a 3rd-grader, in Ms. Lauer’s class. She told us the metric system was going to replace the American way of measuring and weighing things.
My first thought, “Had I foolishly wasted eight years learning our standard way of measuring things? I mean, eight years seemed like a lifetime to me back then!”
Digging In
We’re a stubborn bunch, as the scientific community — squints — accepted the Metric System with open test tubes. For them, Liters replaced quarts and the millimeter replaced the inch.
Some continue the fight, even when talking about cartridges, calling the 7 millimeter magnum, the 7 ‘em ‘em mag. “What the heck’s a millimeter, anyway? I’m no Commy!”
Tank Takes A Turn
I’ll confess to having an affliction for some things metric. For me, the 10mm and 9.3X62 have special meaning. The 10mm warmed my heart quite a bit recently, and I’ve had a long and intimate relationship with his shorter brother, the one “we” sneakily call the .40 S&W.
But my main metric marauder has got to be the 9.3X62. What a wonderful cartridge! It has everything I appreciate in cartridges, namely a long history, it was made for the common man, and it’s a true big-bore cartridge. Its effectiveness on big game is legendary. Its only problem? I think it’s in the name.
Ruger M77 African 9.3X62
This rifle is not from Holland & Holland of London, but rather, Sturm, Ruger & Co., from Newport, as it should be. One would be proud to own such a beautiful rifle, dubbed “The African.” This is a Lipsey’s exclusive, a large distributor of Ruger firearms, and the second of the African series, designed by VP Jason Cloessner, of Lipsey’s.
First in the series was the seductive .275 Rigby, more commonly known as the 7X57 Mauser. Again, what’s in a name?
As I hold, turn, fondle and shoulder this splendid shooter, I appreciate its fine craftsmanship. The walnut stock is sleek, and the fine checkering at the wrist and forearm is excellent, giving the rifle a secure, natural feel.
The contrasting ebony-tip fore-end promotes the stylish good looks of a traditional African rifle. The barreled action is a high polished blue, with barrel band, for both form and function.
The barrel itself is a thin 24" wisp of blued steel, swinging effortlessly, beautifully balancing itself just forward of the trigger guard as a classic rifle should.
The rear sight is marvelously sculpted, with bridge-base and folding rear sight, while the front sight is fully banded, and just as handsome, with a brass-bead. A traditional red rubber butt-pad absorbs any felt recoil for those afflicted with “recoilitis”.
A well-rounded bolt knob makes cycling the Mauser-like, non-rotating extractor — with controlled round feeding and fixed ejector — a joy to handle. This is the first time Ruger has blued their bolt knobs since the tang safety M77, for this series. Nice job all around, Ruger!
Historic German Roots
Otto Bock designed this cartridge for the Mauser 1898 bolt-action rifle in 1905. It quickly became very popular among German settlers in Africa needing an affordable rifle powerful enough for double duty, be it shooting buffalo raiding the garden, or defense.
The 9.3X62 is basically a European .35 Whelen. Its bullets are .008" larger, at .366", and its neck, a tad shorter, giving it a little more powder capacity.
A tad more powerful than the Whelen, but not quite as powerful as the .375 H&H, the 9.3X62 sits happily between the two in the power spectrum. But it’s tops for usefulness, practicality, and availability in European Nations.
Inspirational Shooter
Just holding a beautiful rifle like “The African” chambered in such a classic cartridge reminds me of tent camps, fire pits, phenomenal trackers and the classic safari.
Who knows, maybe this rifle will finally get Tank off his duff and go to Africa one day? Stranger things have happened.
Lipsey’s only has 250 of these classic rifles. Better go tell your local dealer to order you one, so you can go on Safari, too — even if only in your dreams.
The Ruger Hawkeye African in 9.3X62 has an MSRP of $1,279 and is a Lipsey’s exclusive. I hear tell the 3rd in the series is out now, too. Chambered in the 6.5X55, another Metric misnomer. Have your local dealer contact them. For further info go to:
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Motorcycle Madhouse Radio Podcast w James "Hollywood" Macecari
By Motorcycle Madhouse
From the #1 Biker News Website on the Internet, Insane Throttle Biker News presents "Motorcycle Madhouse" with James "Hollywood" Macecari.
Explore the issues and keep up to date on what is going on within the biker scene.
Best known and always equated to the Howard Stern of Biker Radio James "Hollywood" Macecari is unleashed and is never shy in saying it like it is. This is not a politically correct radio show. If you have a weak stomach or shy personality than this won't be the show for you.
James "Hollywood"Macecari believes in making sure both sides of a story gets out.
Biker News happening in the Motorcycle Club Scene Hells Angels Featured as well as electric motorcyc
Motorcycle Madhouse Radio Podcast w James "Hollywood" Macecari • By Motorcycle Madhouse • Dec 7, 2019
Milam County leaves Bandidos Motorcycle Club Case in Limbo and the Virginia Aftermath
On this edition of Motorcycle Madhouse Radio we cover the ongoing story on Patrick Lewis Vaden, a member of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club . Patrick was arrested for being a Bandido, even though he had a legal CCW. We will also talk about the Virginia Rally Aftermath, the MSM reaction and coverage. Also, don't forget to subscribe to our new channel where we will have videos outside the studio. Including Motovlogs, Dealership Reviews and Motorcycle Events. https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottle
CC Riders Motorcycle Club out of Madison Wisconsin-California Superbike School Celebrates 40 years-Chicago up to their old games
This episode of Motorcycle Madhouse News Radio we cover a fantastic article about the CC Riders Motorcycle Club. Started in the late 60's and still going strong, CC Riders are showing how brotherhood is done. 40 YEARS in Business teaching a new generation how to race sports bikes. This California school has set the standards in the industry when it comes to motorcycle racing Chicago is up to its old game of screwing with bikers. Many alderman want to install noise monitors to discourage bikers with load pipes from riding on Lake Shore Drive Don't forget to like the video and share on your social media pages. Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com Social Media Facebook- http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Twitter- http://www.twitter.com/insanetrottle Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/insanethrottlebikernews/ Pintrest - https://www.pinterest.com/insanethrottle/pins/ #MOTORCYCLECLUBS #BIKERNEWS #INSANETHROTTLEBIKERNEWS
Is the Hells Angels MC a motorcycle gang?
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse- We address the question, Is the Hells Angels MC a motorcycle gang? We will be specifically dealing with the Australia and Canadian motorcycle club scene. This is a question that is often raised by many people and one that has been debated time and time again by both sides of the argument. Biker Lifestyle Magazine- Editorials and Opinions from "Hollywood". Motorcycle and Industry news and Tech Tips http://www.bikerlifestylemagazine.com Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com Insane Throttle Support Merchandise - https://teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse #HELLSANGELS #BIKIE #MOTORCYCLECLUB
Motorcycle Madhouse Morning News - Topics today include a new American Chopper Like Show- Zero has a new model out- Russian Night Wolves MC and more
The new format to Motorcycle Madhouse Biker News is a huge HIT!! Today out of the UK a possible replacement for the reality show American Chopper, which was popular in the states for 7 seasons, might go worldwide if successful. The Zero is making news as the leader in the Electric motorcycle Industry (NEWS AROUND THE COUNTY) Our newest segment in the show steps out the biker scene and into issues around the country which should matter to bikers. Finally capping off the show is the Night Wolves MC out of Russia, the equivalent to Bikers For Trump here in the United States. If you would like to donate to the show to help us bring you even better content please use the link below Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support
Bandidos Motorcycle Club and what to expect at Virginia Rally
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse Radio Information on the Virginia Rally and we go over to Australia for Bandidos Bikie News. We also talk about the Motorcycle Accident Rate in Texas. Texas leads the nation in Motorcycle Deaths. Social Media Facebook- http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Twitter- http://www.twitter.com/insanetrottle Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/insanethrottlebikernews/ Pintrest - https://www.pinterest.com/insanethrottle/pins/ We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle #MOTORCYCLE #BIKERLIFESTYLE #BANDIDOSMOTORCYCLECLUB
Season 3 Episode 11 Are the Hells Angels Responsible for The Sons of Anarchy way of thinking with new age bikers.
On this edition of Insane Throttle Motorcycle Madhouse. We will be discussing the questions many have in the motorcycle club scene. Are the Hells Angels responsible for the Sons of Anarchy mentality within the club scene? Also discussed in this segment. The importance of having "Real" people to look up to. To many people in the motorcycle club scene look up to TV shows and movies such as the Sons of Anarchy and Mayans MC. I make the case for people to look up to people in the real world. Many in the motorcycle club scene have a ton to teach you about how the motorcycle club scene works, not to mention how life in general works.
Breaking Biker News - 10 things you might want to know before going to a rally-Comancheros MC- BACA-Biker Down
Welcome to your morning news where you're kept up to date with everything happening in the biker scene hosted by James"Hollywood"Macecari of Insane Throttle Biker News. 10 Things you might want to know before going to a rally- Hollywood wrote an op-ed on harleyliberty.com giving some advice on what you should know before going to a rally Comancheros MC- Australian Bikie News of a killing of a top figure could bring war BACA- Bikers against child abuse organization introduces itself to the community If you would like to help support the show Link to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle
Breaking Biker News Hells Angels Motorcycle Club and Virginia Update
On this segment of Motorcycle Madhouse we cover Hells Angels MC Sussex- Breaking news out of Green Bay and Virginia.
What motorcycle club protocol videos should include
On this segment of Motorcycle Madhouse Radio we talk about what Motorcycle Club protocol videos should teach. The subject of this video was requested by numerous members of Dominant 1% clubs.
Hells Angels Motorcycle Club Rhode Island Bronx and Royal Enfield makes line up changes
This segment of Motorcycle Madhouse Radio we have news on the Hells Angels motorcycle club charters Rhode Island and Bronx. The Royal Enfield 500cc line of motorcycles is going the way of the dinosaur
Why I do Not Support Motorcycle Club Protocol
On this segment of Motorcycle Madhouse Radio I answer questions sent into me regarding Motorcycle Club Protocol, Prospecting for a motorcycle club and a range of issues
Biker News Harley Davidson Cheats on Ford with GMC more on Virginia
Harley-Davidson is now Teaming up with GMC to make a special edition Sierra. Wait till you see the price they want for the truck Also more updates on Virginia
Kinfolk Motorcycle Club Florida and Hells Angels Motorcycle Club Canada News
Followup story on the Kinfolk MC Member in Florida and we travel up north to Canada to hear about a Hells Angels Member Don't forget to follow us on Motorcycle Madhouse radio www.motorcyclemadhouse.com and harleyliberty.com for all your morning biker news.
Episode 10 Season 3 Why Politics should matter to bikers
Motorcycle Madhouse Live- We will talk about why politics should matter to every biker. Politicians effect everything from Motorcycle Club Profiling and Helmet Rights to name a few. Do you know where your representatives or Senator stands for The Right To Choose just for an example?
Chicago PD New Policies on Motorcycle Clubs and Bandidos MC Hells Angels News
On this Segment of Motorcycle Madhouse Biker News we discuss the Chicago PD new efforts to curb motorcycle clubs in the City of Chicago. Also on this segment we go across the pond to discuss news happening in the Australian scene.
Biker News Hells Angels Motorcycle Club Outlaws MC and the Segway enters the motorcycle market
On this edition of Motorcycle Madhouse Biker News We get an update on the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club problems in the Bronx. Also on board, we challenge a story out of Brockton Mass about the Outlaws MC. Finally, segway is in the news breaking into the Electric Motorcycle Market Donations to the problem are appreciated and can be sent via Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle
Biker News Hells Angels Motorcycle Club Bronx and continuing coverage of Virginia
Today on Motorcycle Madhouse Biker News we have the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club Bronx and continuing coverage of Virginia. Seems like the 81 have stumbled into some issues in their new neighborhood, something that has the neighbors worried. We also continue our coverage in Virginia rallies. If you like to donate to the show please click on the link. Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle
The State of the Biker Scene Guest Judge Independents and Biker Clubs
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse special guest Grey beard Biker Segment we have Judge on the show. We discuss the state of the biker scene covering subjects ranging from Independents to the state of the Motorcycle Club Scene. Insane Throttle Support Merchandise - https://teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J
Biker News Pagans Motorcycle Club Sutars Soldiers MC and Indian Motorcycle Recall
Welcome to the new Insane Throttle Motorcycle Magazine Biker News Format. Check out the whole video to see what 2020 has in store. This episode we cover the news between the Pagans Motorcycle Club and Sutars Soldiers motorcycle club. Sutars Soldiers was founded by Rooster Katona, former National President of the Pagans MC. We also have updated information on Indian Motorcycles Recall of over 5400 motorcycles, mostly the 2019 line.
Motorcycle Madhouse Shorts-Why New Riders get in motorcycle accidents
In this segment we talk about reasons why new motorcycle riders get into motorcycle accidents and ways to avoid them. Motorcycle accidents are preventable in some instances, knowing your limits is a big part of it. It's always sad seeing a new rider hurt real bad or even killed, especially when it didn't have to happen.
Biker News Mongols Motorcycle Club
On this segment of biker news around the world. Mongols Motorcycle Club is featured. Also in the news, update on what's happening in Virginia Hooligans Inc- Editorials and Opinions from "Hollywood"Concerning all the happenings in the biker scene. http://www.hooliganbiker.com Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com Insane Throttle Support Merchandise - https://teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J Become a member of AMA and get member only exclusive discounts https://fs4.formsite.com/AMARacing/4jkjxulc77/fill?id84=INTHBI
Sonny Barger vs George Christie Hells Angels Who's story do you believe
Today we address the Supporters of George Christie, former Hells Angel. Many of his supporters claim we didn't get his side of the story out on what happen between him and Sonny Barger. Today we put his side of the story out. Insane Throttle Support Merchandise - https://teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J
Season 3 Episode 8 Erosion of Brotherhood and Lets talk Real about the Biker Scene and those giving advice
On this episode I talk about actually being "Real" Something many people doesn't understand. Especially in the internet age of bikers. This is an in depth review of content creators such as Back road Biker, Fingers Jaunch, Demons Row and Black Dragon. The advice that is being given out to listeners is something that can be harmful not only to the individuals personally. But also the scene
Biker News It's getting hot in Virginia and Outlaws Motorcycle club
On this edition of biker news. We will talk about what is happening in Virginia. There has been a response from the Attorney General related to all the sanctuary counties. Another piece on the Outlaws Motorcycle Club
Which motorcycle lineup is better 2020 Harley Davidson or 2020 Honda Motorcycles
This segment we are going to do a comparison between the Harley Davidson and Honda 2020 lines. Take a look at the videos of each and let me know your thoughts 2021 Harley Davidson Pan AM Powered by the all-new liquid-cooled 1,250cc Revolution Max engine, the Pan America is one of two new middleweight models taking H-D into new segments 2020 Honda African Twin $14,399 CRF1100L Africa Twin a bigger engine for 2020. By increasing the stroke by 6.4mm unique twin air-intake design with two vertical filtration elements. All that clean air helps the engine deliver excellent performance, even under prolonged operation in dusty conditions. parallel-twin engine layout makes the bike shorter front-to-back. That means the front wheel can tuck in closer to the engine, shortening wheelbase and making the bike more nimble off road and on pavement. 2020 CB650R MSRP: $9,199 649cc DOHC ENGINE FOUR-INTO-ONE EXHAUST Selectable Torque Control System (HSTC) the CB650R offers you peace of mind during aggressive riding conditions. The system adjusts engine power to optimize torque at the rear wheel, reducing rear-wheel slip. 2020 Lowrider S $17,999 114 Milwaukee eight , frame rake 28 degrees from 30 degress Mono Shock Frame & Dual Disk Brakes 2020 CB 500 F $6,199 DOHC TWIN-CYLINDER ENGINE PROGRAMMED FUEL INJECTION (PGM-FI) ANTI-LOCK BRAKING SYSTEM (ABS) DIGITAL INSTRUMENTATION 2021 Bronx975 Bronx will be the first machine to get the smaller 975cc version of the new Revolution Max engine—a liquid-cooled, DOHC 60-degree V-twin Using a 60-degree V-angle that's smack between the traditional 45-degree Harley layout and the 90-degree design from the likes of Ducati, the Revolution Max strikes a balance between compact size and enough room in the vee for high-flow intakes
Biker News Outlaws MC Hells Angels MC and Virginia Rally
Your Biker News this morning includes the Outlaws MC and Hells Angels MC. We also have information on the Virginia Rally everyone is asking about. If you're not a member of the American Motorcycle Association why not? Click on the link below and get your membership today. As a member you get exclusive membership perks as well as get information on AMA Chartered Motorcycle Clubs. https://fs4.formsite.com/AMARacing/4jkjxulc77/fill?id84=INTHBI
Top 5 Harley Davidson Motorcycles to use on a commute
On this episode we are going to discuss MSN review of the Top 5 Harley Davidson Motorcycles that are best to use as a daily commuter. Also Honda Motorcycle Reaches it's 400 million milestone!! We also have a very special ending segment, so don't forget to watch to the end and share. Tickets will be available Jan 1st
Why do some motorcycle clubs fight with each other and can it be stopped
This segment of Motorcycle Madhouse we will dive into the big elephant in the room. We are going to discuss why their is a lot of fighting between some motorcycle clubs. This is a subject in which many people do not understand. Quite frankly those concerns are justified. Those who ride in motorcycle clubs have so much in common with each other I personally believe they should be able to build on those beliefs and start there to fix the issues. Will it happen? Only time will tell. One thing is for certain though. The motorcycle clubs are giving those who profile them the means to do it.
Biker News MUST Listen Bandidos Motorcycle Club and a bikers perspective on impeachment
We will talk about the Bandidos Motorcycle Club member going through appeals and the kangaroo court he's faced with. I will also give you my view of the Impeachment hearings and bikers for trump
The top 5 Harley Davidson motorcycles to avoid like the plague
Let's switch gears for this segment. We are going to talk about the 5 worst Harley Davidson models you want to avoid like the plague. One of the models I've actually got experience with, yes, it cost me a boat load of money to get fixed. Don't forget to visit my editorial site at hooliganbiker.com and harleyliberty.com for all your daily biker news
Biker News Outlaws Motorcycle Official Statement on Bandidos Meeting reported by KWTX
*All bikers should be outraged by this article, Get Involved!* Reporter https://www.kwtx.com/content/bios/411666495.html We have the Official Statement from the Outlaws Motorcycle club published by KWTX. This type of story doesn't only hurt the motorcycle club scene image, it also hurts the image of bikers. Hopefully, you will contact the reporter in the article and ask for a retraction. Hat and T-Shirt provided by Bagger Syndicate Cycle order yours today https://www.facebook.com/baggers.fourever
Biker News Let's talk Hells Angels and Bandidos Motorcycle Club
On this edition of biker news. The Hells Angels 3rd street crew has found a new clubhouse. The 3rd street Hells Angels crew was famous on 3rd street in New York. The clubhouse was featured in "Hells Angels Forever." Also in biker news this segment, Bandidos and the Hells Angels Texas
Season 3 Episode 6 Sons of Anarchy Pagans Motorcycle Club and battle of the American Motorcycle Makes Harley VS Indian
On this episode topics discuss includes the question if the Show Sons of Anarchy and Mayans MC represent some clubs. Also we will be talking the Indian Challenger and Polaris going after Harley Davidsons Market. Also in Biker News the Pagans Motorcycle Club. GO over and check out our Radio station Motorcycle Madhouse Radio http://www.motorcyclemadhouse.com Insane Throttle Support Merchandise - https://teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J
The Biker Lifestyle isn't a cookies and ice cream lifestyle
On this segment of Motorcycle Madhouse Radio- The Biker Lifestyle isn't all about cookies and Ice Cream. There is a very serious side to the lifestyle, one that unprepared for, can have consequences for the uneducated. To many people getting into the lifestyle do not understand this, especially when watching YouTube, Media Reports and social media. Don't forget to like the video and share on your social media pages. Also check out Motorcycle Madhouse Radio www.motorcyclemadhouse.com for a new episode every Sunday @9amcst. Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com
Biker News Pagans Motorcycle Club in the news and LE needs more training
On this segment of Biker News we talk about the ongoing case against some members of the Pagans Motorcycle Club. Also discussed is an article by the Associated Press on the need for more LE training. Finally a great story on bikers working for the community. Great hat from Bagger Syndicate Cycle. Has a ton of different hats with their logo. Go check them out at https://www.facebook.com/baggers.fourever and get yours. This is a biker owned small business so help them out.
Rock Machine vs Hells Angels Motorcycle Club a look back in history
On this edition of Biker News. We will go back in history and look at the history between the Rock Machine and Hells Angels in Canada. We also cover the Bandidos and Rock Machine connection and where the Rock Machine is today. The most important takeaway from this segment should be the difference in generations then, compared today. Hooligans Inc- Editorials and Opinions from "Hollywood"Concerning all the happenings in the biker scene. http://www.hooliganbiker.com Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com Insane Throttle Support Merchandise - https://teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J GO over and check out our Radio station Motorcycle Madhouse Radio http://www.motorcyclemadhouse.com
Biker News Motorcycle Club Black Uhlans fake tongue Harley davidson f150 Crazy price and biker boss
Brand new segment on your #1 Biker News Channel. Wait till you see the crazy price of the new Ford 150 Harley Davidson partnership. Also in the news the Black Uhlans. This is also another messed up story involving a fake tongue, personally, someone has been watching to much god father Hooligans Inc- Editorials and Opinions from "Hollywood"Concerning all the happenings in the biker scene. http://www.hooliganbiker.com Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com Insane Throttle Support Merchandise - https://teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J
Season 3 Episode 5 Let's talk about Law Enforcement Propaganda and taking advice from idiots who know nothing they are talking about
Let's talk about Law Enforcement Propaganda and taking advice from idiots who know nothing they are talking about. Here's a question. Would you take advice from a police infiltrator? Would you consider his advice as sound and would you be willing to test his ideology on the street? You have two morons on YouTube trying to do just that. No care in the world if someone gets hurt following their crap. Insane Throttle Support Merchandise - https://teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J Go like the Facebook Page www.facebook.com/insanethrottle
On this Biker News episode we have two stories on the Hells Angels Motorcycle club as well as a story on the rise of electric motorcycles. Don't forget to like the video and share on your social media pages. Also check out Motorcycle Madhouse Radio www.motorcyclemadhouse.com for a new episode every Sunday @9amcst. Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com Social Media Facebook- http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Twitter- http://www.twitter.com/insanetrottle Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/insanethrottlebikernews/ Pintrest - https://www.pinterest.com/insanethrottle/pins/
Biker News Hells Angels supporters out of check as words exchanged with Black Pistons at rally
In this segment we further the conversation about motorcycle club supporters. I covered this topic in a previous video, this is an add on to that one. We discuss an article just out about how supporters are causing motorcycle clubs issues. Article discussed in this video http://hooliganbiker.com/why-do-motorcycle-clubs-go-to-war-with-each-other-its-really-simple-if-you-study-why-it-boils-down-to-just-a-few-motorcycle-clubs/
What are Property of Patches motorcycle clubs have woman wear is there any truth to the rumors aro
On this segment we will discuss what a "Property of" Patch means to motorcycle clubs as well as discuss the new role women play in the biker scene. The evolution of the scene one must ask the question," Has the change with women within the scene been a good or bad one?" Hooligans Inc- Editorials and Opinions from "Hollywood"Concerning all the happenings in the biker scene. http://www.hooliganbiker.com Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com Insane Throttle Support Merchandise - https://teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J
Biker News Harley Davidson finally making moves what is strike force raptor what it means for clubs
On this episode of Biker News we will talk about Harley-Davidson and their move to make the younger generation get more in the scene. We also talk about Strike Force Raptor and how they could effect what happens here in the states. Articles Discussed Harley Davidson Increases AFT Support for Flat Track Racing https://speedsport.com/motorcycle-racing/flat-track/harley-davidson-increases-aft-production-twins-support/ Behind the scenes with Strike Force Raptor https://7news.com.au/original-fyi/crime-story-investigator/strike-force-raptor-behind-the-specialist-police-taskforce-busting-outlaw-bikie-gangs-c-549624
Christian Motorcycle Clubs interview with Preacher on the role of Christian Clubs in the mc scene
Today on Motorcycle Madhouse shorts we have Preacher on the show. We will talk about Christian motorcycle clubs and the role they play in the motorcycle club scene as well as doing good in the community Hooligans Inc- Editorials and Opinions from "Hollywood"Concerning all the happenings in the biker scene. http://www.hooliganbiker.com Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com Insane Throttle Support Merchandise - https://teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J
Biker News Vagos Motorcycle Club East Side Valley Kings MC
Articles Discussed in this segment of Biker Angle ktvb.com Author: Katie Terhune https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/man-charged-with-manslaughter-after-owyhee-county-slaying/277-2c8894d4-93d2-4ea8-b60a-ced0595bc022 sunherald.com By Margaret Baker https://www.sunherald.com/news/local/crime/article237785934.html Hooligans Inc- Editorials and Opinions from "Hollywood"Concerning all the happenings in the biker scene. http://www.hooliganbiker.com
Season 3 Episode 4 The Media Hit job on 1% motorcycle clubs and thoughts on the Backroad Biker interview with Infiltrator Fingers Jaunch
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we will discuss the media hit jobs that are put out in order for the public to fear 1% motorcycle clubs. I will also give my thoughts on that joke of an interview Backroad Homo had with ex cop and infiltrator Fingers Jaunch. Going to be a intense episode. For your daily biker news http://www.harleyliberty.com Don't forget to follow our podcast on spotify or ITunes. Join our members only section for only $2 a month at http://www.bikernewsnetwork..com and our support store where you can buy all sorts of Insane Throttle Support Gear.
When Motorcycle Clubs Do bad no one forgets when they do good no one remembers Buffalo Soldiers
On this episode of Biker News we will talk about the good that the motorcycle club community does. Articles Discussed West Oakland Churches and Motorcycle Clubs Provide Food and Fellowship to Homeless https://postnewsgroup.com/2019/11/27/west-oakland-churches-and-motorcycle-clubs-provide-food-and-fellowship-to-homeless/ Members of Veterans Motorcycle Club to help out at Springfield Soup Kitchen https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/local/members-veterans-motorcycle-club-help-out-springfield-soup-kitchen/WtIlAniJiPv2SgiPfF69zO/
When a brother goes to jail should I support him no matter what he did? I say no, what say you?
On this segment we further the conversation that Black Dragon started. When a brother goes to jail should I support him no matter what he did? I know being a member of a motorcycle club you are supposed to support a fellow member, but what if they did something that doesn't deserve the support? Does this supposed biker code say you still have to back him? Article Discussed in this segment http://hooliganbiker.com/should-i-support-motorcycle-club-members-who-go-to-jail-does-it-matter-what-the-club-brother-did-to-go-to-jail/
Biker News Mongols Motorcycle Club Patch Bandidos MC News Firefighter fights to get job back
Articles Covered 1. Court Says Jury Can‘t Strip Mongols Biker Club Of Its Trademarked Logo https://stockdailydish.com/court-says-jury-cant-strip-mongols-biker-club-of-its-trademarked-logo/ 2. Ex-firefighter linked to Bandidos biker club fights to get job back https://www.wacotrib.com/news/crime/ex-firefighter-linked-to-bandidos-fights-to-get-job-back/article_c11f1612-a74c-56a1-b015-f2732dbde33f.html Hooligans Inc- Editorials and Opinions from "Hollywood"Concerning all the happenings in the biker scene. http://www.hooliganbiker.com Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com
Biker News Hells Angels Colorado Homietos Motorcycle club and finally Pagans MC News
Articles included for the discussion Denver prosecutor charges 13 alleged members of motorcycle gangs, including the Hells Angels, with organized crime https://denverite.com/2019/11/22/denver-prosecutor-charges-13-alleged-members-of-motorcycle-gangs-including-the-hells-angels-with-organized-crime/ Corpus Christi motorcycle member gets 9 years in federal prison https://www.caller.com/story/news/crime/2019/11/22/corpus-christi-motorcycle-gang-member-gets-prison-time-shooting/4265278002/ Third Pagan accepts Plea Agreement https://monvalleyindependent.com/2019/11/third-pagan-accepts-plea-deal-in-assault/?fbclid=IwAR3f3XX2yzewvl4kIE7M3mzSWxapQGse0NjcxDF_hAeGeSrn0HwXy3A2Mb8
Biker News The Beast East MG Call out Bandidos motorcycle club Beast MG posts challenge online
We have a show for you today. Unleashed and to the point I give my thoughts and opinions on Beast MG and what is happening in the motorcycle club scene. What you're about to hear is going to have you tilting your head. Article in this segment is from kplctv.com in which it features the leader of the Beast MG. Wait till you see why.
Season 3 Episode 3 Outlaw Motorcycle Clubs and topics related to the Outlaw Motorcycle Clubs
This episode were going to dive deep into many questions regarding Outlaw Motorcycle Clubs. Everything from Respect to joining one. Going to be an educational experience and hope you enjoy it. Don't forget to follow our podcast on spotify or ITunes. Join our members only section for only $2 a month at http://www.bikernewsnetwork..com and our support store where you can buy all sorts of Insane Throttle Support Gear.
Motorcycle Club Members from 69ers Pay the Piper for actions against Outlaws MC President. Ban on Colors take effect
00:00 Laws Banning Motorcycle Club Colors go into effect 11:21 Bikers profess innocence as they get life in prison for Pasco Outlaw’s Incident Articles Discussed tampabay.com By Dan Sullivan https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2019/11/20/bikers-profess-innocence-as-they-get-life-in-prison-for-pasco-outlaws-killing/ miragenews.com Outlaw motorcycle gang laws are now in force https://www.miragenews.com/outlaw-motorcycle-gang-laws-are-now-in-force/
Season 3 Episode 2 Motorcycle Club or Motorcycle Gangs? NCOC Statement on the subject
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Biker News Hells Angels George Christie makes move and Pagans MC news update
Stories this morning Hells Angels George Christie makes move article by euroweeklynews.com By Cathy Elelman Wheeling & Dealing In Steel Town: Pagan’s MC’er Pleads Out In Assault Case By Scott Burnstein
Biker News Bikers wanted for Harassing Police officer surrounding him and Strike Force Raptor
Wreaths Across America is discussed. Wreaths across of America is an organization which places wreaths for our veterans in over 1600 locations in the United States and overseas. From nydailynews.com Cops release photos of bikers accused of harassing cop at Bronx gas station Finally officer from Strike Force Raptor in NSW is placed on leave. Story from news.com.au/
Biker News Pagans Motorcycle Club News and Tragic story involving Wisconsin biker
Articles include observer-reporter.com and postcrescent.com .A member of the Pagans Motorcycle Club was sentenced Friday in Washington County Court after pleading no contest and from postcrescent “People would tell him he looked like he should be in Hollywood," she said. “He didn’t like to be called Kevin.”
Biker News Outlaws Motorcycle Club
Bring you the Daily Biker News. Outlaws Motorcycle Club in the news. Articles by J.D. Tuccille Reason.com and BU News Service Don't forget to go over and check out my new editorial opinion site www.hooliganbiker.com as well as your Daily biker news www.harleyliberty.com
Season 3 Episode 1 Outlaw Motorcycle Club Topics National Confederation of Clubs and Saturation of Keyboard warriors in the lifestyle
On this episode we will discuss a variety of subjects on Outlaw Motorcycle Clubs as well as official statement from Insane Throttle to the Confederation of Clubs. We will also give our thoughts on Back Road Biker. A supposed biker who thinks he can give expert advice on the Biker Scene. Someone who only has four years riding under his belt. Going to be an intense segment. On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we have a bunch of topics we will discuss including one that is asked many times Can I be an outlaw biker and do I have what it takes to join an outlaw motorcycle club. Buckle up on a wild ride for this one. Some of the subject matter will have your head spinning. Insane Throttle is your #1 Resource for Biker News. Get all the scoops on the happenings within the biker scene including Motorcycle Club News, Motorcycle Events happening around the country and issues effecting motorcycle riders nationwide. http://www.harleyliberty.com We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle
Biker News Pagans MC & Brotherhood Motorcycle Club
Today for your Daily Biker News the following stories are featured. Don't forget Motorcycle Madhouse Live on Mondays at 7pmcst on YouTube Brotherhood Motorcycle Club News UK Immunity Case in England where a diplomats wife killed a motorcyclist Update Pagans MC Affiliate News
Season 2 Episode 30 Can I be an outlaw biker and do I have what it takes to join an outlaw motorcycle club
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we have a bunch of topics we will discuss including one that is asked many times Can I be an outlaw biker and do I have what it takes to join an outlaw motorcycle club. Buckle up on a wild ride for this one. Some of the subject matter will have your head spinning. Insane Throttle is your #1 Resource for Biker News. Get all the scoops on the happenings within the biker scene including Motorcycle Club News, Motorcycle Events happening around the country and issues effecting motorcycle riders nationwide. http://www.harleyliberty.com We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle
Season 2 Episode 29 Has Motorcycle Protocol Outlived its usefulness
Lets get the conversation started. Lets discuss the evolution of not only my opinion on Motorcycle Club Protocol but also many other peoples opinion on Motorcycle Protocol Insane Throttle is your #1 Resource for Biker News. Get all the scoops on the happenings within the biker scene including Motorcycle Club News, Motorcycle Events happening around the country and issues effecting motorcycle riders nationwide. http://www.harleyliberty.com We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle
Season 2 Episode 28 Does Ex Leo have an opportunity to go to motorcycle club houses? 2 special guest interviews
Does Ex Leo have an opportunity to go to motorcycle club houses? 2 special guest interviews Insane Throttle is your #1 Resource for Biker News. Get all the scoops on the happenings within the biker scene including Motorcycle Club News, Motorcycle Events happening around the country and issues effecting motorcycle riders nationwide. http://www.harleyliberty.com We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle
Season 2 Episode 27 Part 2 Who's for Real and who's not? Special guest Black Dragon from MC protocol
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse Motorcycle Club Topics with special guest Black Dragon from MC protocol Channel Black Dragon TV We will talk about a wide range of motorcycle club topics including pop up motorcycle clubs, NCOM, Motorcycle Club Protocol and more. Insane Throttle is your #1 Resource for Biker News. Get all the scoops on the happenings within the biker scene including Motorcycle Club News, Motorcycle Events happening around the country and issues effecting motorcycle riders nationwide. http://www.harleyliberty.com We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle
Busy week in Biker News~~~ Biker News Wrap Up feature stories from the Outlaw Biker World
Biker News Wrap Up feature stories from the Outlaw Biker World We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle
Season 2 Episode 26 Part 1 Who's for Real and who's not? Special guest Black Dragon from MC protocol Channel Black Dragon TV
Season 1 Episode 13 Motorcycle Madhouse Weekly Biker News Wrap Up feature stories from the Outlaw Biker World
Season 2 Episode 25 How the Modern Biker is no more ~ How the Internet Destroyed the Biker Lifestyle
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse How the Modern Biker is no more ~ How the Internet Destroyed the Biker Lifestyle We will talk about the effects the internet has had on the biker lifestyle as a whole as well as how its bringing the demise to a once thriving motorcycle culture. Special Guest to talk about Motorcycle and Club insurance China Doll is on the show giving her take on the modern biker Insurance Information Steve Compton http://www.stevecomptonagencies.com/ Insane Throttle is your #1 Resource for Biker News. Get all the scoops on the happenings within the biker scene including Motorcycle Club News, Motorcycle Events happening around the country and issues effecting motorcycle riders nationwide. http://www.harleyliberty.com We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle
My Thoughts on the Socialist Democrats push to Impeach President Trump
On this episode I give my thoughts on the Nationwide Story on the Socialist Democrats push to impeach President Trump On this Motorcycle Madhouse Shorts we will be talking about "A Motorcycle Don't Make you a Biker. These Things make you a biker. Insane Throttle Support Merchandise - https://teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J Don't forget to like the video and share on your social media pages. Also check out Motorcycle Madhouse Radio www.motorcyclemadhouse.com for a new episode every Sunday @9amcst. Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com Social Media Facebook- http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Twitter- http://www.twitter.com/insanetrottle Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/insanethrottlebikernews/ Pintrest - https://www.pinterest.com/insanethrottle/pins/
Motorcycle Madhouse Shorts A Motorcycle Don't Make you a Biker. These Things make you a biker.
On this Motorcycle Madhouse Shorts we will be talking about "A Motorcycle Don't Make you a Biker. These Things make you a biker. Insane Throttle Support Merchandise - https://teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J Don't forget to like the video and share on your social media pages. Also check out Motorcycle Madhouse Radio www.motorcyclemadhouse.com for a new episode every Sunday @9amcst. Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com Social Media Facebook- http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Twitter- http://www.twitter.com/insanetrottle Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/insanethrottlebikernews/ Pintrest - https://www.pinterest.com/insanethrottle/pins/
Season 2 Episode 24 The Los Angeles Secret Police Society The Banditos- Also Special guest Bob and Ryan
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we have special guest Bob and Ryan from the Bob and Ryan Show. We also talk about the Los Angeles Secret Society The Banditos Link to the Bob and Ryan Show https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBOtL71XFjzxlalB35mH3uA Insane Throttle is your #1 Resource for Biker News. Get all the scoops on the happenings within the biker scene including Motorcycle Club News, Motorcycle Events happening around the country and issues effecting motorcycle riders nationwide. http://www.harleyliberty.com We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle
Season 1 Episode 12 Weekly Biker News featuring all the happenings around the biker scene plus Outlaw Biker World
Season 1 Episode 12 Weekly Biker News featuring all the happenings around the biker scene and in the Outlaw Biker World Insane Throttle Support Merchandise - https://teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J Don't forget to like the video and share on your social media pages. Also check out Motorcycle Madhouse Radio www.motorcyclemadhouse.com for a new episode every Sunday @9amcst. Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com Social Media Facebook- http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Twitter- http://www.twitter.com/insanetrottle Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/insanethrottlebikernews/ Pintrest - https://www.pinterest.com/insanethrottle/pins/
We will be talking about The Response from Independent Embroidery and the Alliance of Law abiding clubs to the accusations Chuck Jines made on his YouTube Channel
On this Motorcycle Madhouse Shorts we will be talking about The Response from Independent Embroidery and the Alliance of Law abiding clubs to the accusations Chuck Jines made on his YouTube Channel Insane Throttle Support Merchandise - https://teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J Don't forget to like the video and share on your social media pages. Also check out Motorcycle Madhouse Radio www.motorcyclemadhouse.com for a new episode every Sunday @9amcst. Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com Social Media Facebook- http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Twitter- http://www.twitter.com/insanetrottle Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/insanethrottlebikernews/ Pintrest - https://www.pinterest.com/insanethrottle/pins/
Season 2 Episode 23 Special guest Chris "Biker Dad" Best and Kimber from S&H Trucking topic is New Hampshire 7
Chris Best is the journalist, manager and social media expert behind Biker Dad. He has used his more than 2 decades in television news, management and social media to harness the passion of motorcyclists and become a key influencer on social media, especially the biker community. Also we have Kimber owner of S&H Trucking on to give commentary on the CDL side of the issue. Official Support Store teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse 👉Motovlog Discussion on Why Many do not support Motorcycle Clubs https://youtu.be/njPX1klbiTU👈 Insane Throttle is your #1 Resource for Biker News. Get all the scoops on the happenings within the biker scene including Motorcycle Club News, Motorcycle Events happening around the country and issues effecting motorcycle riders nationwide. http://www.harleyliberty.com Check us out on the Radio Version of the show and take us with you on those rides and trips. Available on all major Podcasting Platforms. Or click the link below https://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle
Season 1 Episode 11 Weekly Biker News featuring all the happenings around the biker scene and in the Outlaw Biker World On this Motorcycle Madhouse Shorts we will be talking about "What you need to know before going to a motorcycle rally" Insane Throttle Support Merchandise - https://teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J Don't forget to like the video and share on your social media pages. Also check out Motorcycle Madhouse Radio www.motorcyclemadhouse.com for a new episode every Sunday @9amcst. Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com Social Media Facebook- http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Twitter- http://www.twitter.com/insanetrottle Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/insanethrottlebikernews/ Pintrest - https://www.pinterest.com/insanethrottle/pins/
Yes I was part of a motorcycle club and this is the reason why I left it and the whole MC scene behind me
On this Motorcycle Madhouse Shorts we will be talking about "What you need to know before going to a motorcycle rally" Insane Throttle Support Merchandise - https://teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J Don't forget to like the video and share on your social media pages. Also check out Motorcycle Madhouse Radio www.motorcyclemadhouse.com for a new episode every Sunday @9amcst. Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com Social Media Facebook- http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Twitter- http://www.twitter.com/insanetrottle Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/insanethrottlebikernews/ Pintrest - https://www.pinterest.com/insanethrottle/pins/
What to know before going to a motorcycle rally on this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse Shorts
Season 2 Episode 22 Do Motorcycle Clubs help the community or are motorcycle clubs worth defending anymore?
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we have some crazy stuff happening. 1st Segment we have Professor from the Fighters of the World MC on talking about their work in LA's Tent Cities. The second segment comes a big reveal from Hollywood and finally the Madhouse has China Doll on talking about a topic that will blow your mind. Insane Throttle is your #1 Resource for Biker News. Get all the scoops on the happenings within the biker scene including Motorcycle Club News, Motorcycle Events happening around the country and issues effecting motorcycle riders nationwide. http://www.harleyliberty.com Check us out on the Radio Version of the show and take us with you on those rides and trips. Available on all major Podcasting Platforms. Or click the link below https://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle Social Media Facebook- http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Twitter- http://www.twitter.com/insanetrottle Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/insanethrottlebikernews/ Pintrest - https://www.pinterest.com/insanethrottle/pins/
Season 1 Episode 10 Biker Angle Weekly News Wrapup- Hells Angles MC Aryan Brotherhood Mexican Mafia and other Biker News
Hells Angles MC Aryan Brotherhood Mexican Mafia and other Biker News Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J Don't forget to share on your social media pages. Also check out Motorcycle Madhouse Radio www.motorcyclemadhouse.com for a new episode every Sunday @9amcst. Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle The Weekly Biker News Wrap Up where we keep you in touch on all the happenings in the Biker Scene. Motorcycle Club issues, Independent Biker Issues there is always something for everyone.
Motorcycle Madhouse Shorts Pride, Determination and Loyalty in ones self is so important whether you want to be a good biker or just want to succeed in Life.
On this Shorts video I give my opinion on why Pride, Determination and Loyalty is so important whether you want to be a good biker or just want to succeed in Life. I believe these concepts have been lost on many. Insane Throttle Support Merchandise - https://teespring.com/stores/motorcycle-madhouse Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J Don't forget to like the video and share on your social media pages. Also check out Motorcycle Madhouse Radio www.motorcyclemadhouse.com for a new episode every Sunday @9amcst. Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com Social Media Facebook- http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Twitter- http://www.twitter.com/insanetrottle Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/insanethrottlebikernews/ Pintrest - https://www.pinterest.com/insanethrottle/pins/
Season 2 Episode 21 We talk Government Over Reach Exclusive interview with Ed Munster Friend of David Koresh which led the Branch Davidians
If you like the show and would like to donate to keep us on the air you can do so by Paypal. All donations go right back into the show and everything received is greatly appreciate. Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Exclusive interview with Ed Munster Friend of David Koresh The Waco siege was the siege of a compound belonging to the religious sect Branch Davidians, carried out by American federal and Texas state law enforcement, as well as the U.S. military, between February 28 and April 19, 1993 Check us out on the Radio Version of the show and take us with you on those rides and trips. Available on all major Podcasting Platforms. Or click the link below https://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse Ciro 3d Motorcycle Accessories https://shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=1064932&u=1655016&m=74301&urllink=www%2Eciro3d%2Ecom%2F&afftrack= Social Media Facebook- http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Twitter- http://www.twitter.com/insanetrottle Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/insanethrottlebikernews/ Pintrest - https://www.pinterest.com/insanethrottle/pins/
Biker Angle Weekly News Wrap Up Season 1 Episode 9
Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J Don't forget to subscribe to my other channel "The Tattooed Outdoorsman " https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGXB1E6ANpMWxusFHcqq-AA Don't forget to share on your social media pages. Also check out Motorcycle Madhouse Radio www.motorcyclemadhouse.com for a new episode every Sunday @9amcst. Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle The Weekly Biker News Wrap Up where we keep you in touch on all the happenings in the Biker Scene. Motorcycle Club issues, Independent Biker Issues there is always something for everyone.
Episode 5 Motorcycle Madhouse Shorts. What to know before going to a big Bike Rally
Check us out on the Radio Version of the show and take us with you on those rides and trips. Available on all major Podcasting Platforms. Or click the link below https://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse Our Newest YouTube Channel Country Roads - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGXB1E6ANpMWxusFHcqq-AA/about?view_as=subscriber Social Media Facebook- http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Twitter- http://www.twitter.com/insanetrottle Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/insanethrottlebikernews/ Pintrest - https://www.pinterest.com/insanethrottle/pins/
Motorcycle Madhouse Shorts Episode 5 Motorcycle Clubs Need To Stop Crying Wolf
Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J Don't forget to subscribe to my other channel "The Tattooed Outdoorsman " https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGXB1E6ANpMWxusFHcqq-AA Tattooed Outdoorsman Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/TheTattooedOutdoorsman Previous videos👉Lets Talk Iron Order Motorcycle Club Some things you might not know 👈 https://youtu.be/0XgINAdgqeY Don't forget to like the video and share on your social media pages. Also check out Motorcycle Madhouse Radio www.motorcyclemadhouse.com for a new episode every Sunday @9amcst. Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com Social Media Facebook- http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Twitter- http://www.twitter.com/insanetrottle Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/insanethrottlebikernews/ Pintrest - https://www.pinterest.com/insanethrottle/pins/ We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle The Weekly Biker News Wrap Up where we keep you in touch on all the happenings in the Biker Scene. Motorcycle Club issues, Independent Biker Issues there is always something for everyone. Social Media Facebook- http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Twitter- http://www.twitter.com/insanetrottle Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/insanethrottlebikernews/ Pintrest - https://www.pinterest.com/insanethrottle/pins/
Season 2 Episode 20 Mongols Motorcycle Club Dilemma Continues and tribute to Jarheads MC
Mongols Motorcycle Club Dilemma Continues and tribute to Jarheads MC Go Fund Me Link for the families of Jarheads MC https://www.gofundme.com/f/jarheads-mc-victims-and-families-support Check us out on the Radio Version of the show and take us with you on those rides and trips. Available on all major Podcasting Platforms. Or click the link below https://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse Our Newest YouTube Channel Country Roads - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGXB1E6ANpMWxusFHcqq-AA/about?view_as=subscriber Ciro 3d Motorcycle Accessories https://shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=1064932&u=1655016&m=74301&urllink=www%2Eciro3d%2Ecom%2F&afftrack= Social Media Facebook- http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Twitter- http://www.twitter.com/insanetrottle Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/insanethrottlebikernews/ Pintrest - https://www.pinterest.com/insanethrottle/pins/ We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle
Biker Angle Season 1 Episode 8 The Weekly Biker News Wrap Up with James "Hollywood" Macecari
Episode 4 Motorcycle Madhouse Shorts- What is Freedom and has the Biker Community lost its meaning?
Season 2 Episode 19 A Debate with a Law Enforcement Officer and Blue Knights Member
On this episode we have a Law Enforcement Officer and Member of the Blue Knights Motorcycle Club on the show to debate a variety of topics including motorcycle profiling, police abuse of powers as well as members of LEMC getting out of hand in the Biker Scene. Insane Throttle is your #1 Resource for Biker News. Get all the scoops on the happenings within the biker scene including Motorcycle Club News, Motorcycle Events happening around the country and issues effecting motorcycle riders nationwide. Come join our Bittube channel to watch the Live show on Mondays at 7pmcst .https://bit.tube/Insanethrottle Come join the conversation over on our Patreon Page about this topic. http://patreon.com/insanethrottle Check us out on the Radio Version of the show and take us with you on those rides and trips. Available on all major Podcasting Platforms. Or click the link below https://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle
Season 1 Episode 7 Weekly Biker News Wrapup
Episode 3 Motorcycle Madhouse Shorts. New Riders Watch out and research who you are taking advice from
Season 2 Episode 18 Is the Biker Lifestyle Dead as we know it? Has the RUB killed it with its political correctness?
On this episode we ask the question. Is the Biker Lifestyle as many know it coming to an end? Worse yet, is it already there? Come join our Bittube channel to watch the Live show on Mondays starting June 23rd at 7pmcst .https://bit.tube/Insanethrottle Come join the conversation over on our Patreon Page about this topic. http://patreon.com/insanethrottle Check us out on the Radio Version of the show and take us with you on those rides and trips. Available on all major Podcasting Platforms. Or click the link below https://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse Don't forget to Subscribe and Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Join our Facebook Group Bikers & Brotherhoods (Where all the Independent Bikers Come https://www.facebook.com/groups/bikersandbrotherhoods Pre Sturgis Rally at Camp NCN with Hollywood and Chinadoll https://www.facebook.com/events/1006450783079274/ Check out our Partners at ILM. Modular DOT Motorcycle Helmets starting at only $59.99. ILM Also has some great glove assortments. http://www.ilmotor.com/insanethrottle Check out our Partners at MOJO KTM CNC Billet Anodized Parts http://insanethrottle?aff=72 Going on a trip or heading to a Rally. Book your next hotel through our partners and help the show in the process. https://www.booking.com/index.html?aid=1791100 We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle
The Weekly Biker News Wrap Up where we keep you in touch on all the happenings in the Biker Scene. Motorcycle Club issues, Independent Biker Issues there is always something for everyone. Insane Throttle is your #1 Resource for Biker News. Get all the scoops on the happenings within the biker scene including Motorcycle Club News, Motorcycle Events happening around the country and issues effecting motorcycle riders nationwide. http://www.harleyliberty.com Check us out on the Radio Version of the show and take us with you on those rides and trips. Available on all major Podcasting Platforms. Or click the link below https://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle
Season 1 Episode 2 Motorcycle Madhouse Shorts Lets Talk Iron Order Motorcycle Club Some things you might not know
Lets Talk Iron Order Motorcycle Club Some things you might not know . Get your copy of New Age of Biking and Brotherhood Paperback https://amzn.to/2SGrX0J Don't forget to like the video and share on your social media pages. Also check out Motorcycle Madhouse Radio www.motorcyclemadhouse.com for a new episode every Sunday @9amcst. Daily dose of biker news you can get at www.harleyliberty.com We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle
Season 2 Episode 17 Part 2 Pagan MC Member Freddy Augello with special guest Patty Falkinburg. Was this justice?
Part 2 of 2 of the series on Freddy Augello with special guest Patty Falkinburg. Bringing a stunning climax to a murder mystery that riveted the Philadelphia-South Jersey region, Tyner and his team had charged Kauffman with devising a murder-for-hire plot to kill April Kauffman after, prosecutors say, she’d threatened to expose an illegal drug ring he was allegedly running with members of the notorious biker group, the Pagans Motorcycle Club. Kauffman was accused of working with a reputed Pagans leader named Ferdinand Augello to arrange the hit on April Kauffman after, prosecutors believe, she threatened to go public with the shocking revelation that her husband had never served in the military, though he promoted himself as a Green Beret veteran who performed acts of heroism during the Vietnam War. For five years, Kim Pack suspected her stepfather, Dr. James Kauffman of killing her mother, a bubbly host of a popular local radio show. But it wasn’t until January of this year that the prominent New Jersey endocrinologist was charged with putting a hit out on April Kauffman’s life. Before he could go to trial, Jim Kauffman was found dead of an apparent suicide inside the county jail where he was being held. Jersey Shore Pagans motorcycle club leader, guitar maker, and convicted murderer blamed the 2012 killing of April Kauffman on two other men: one who testified against him and another who died of an overdose years ago. “I’m not John Gotti," he told Superior Court Judge Bernard DeLury. Don't Forget to visit our sponsors for some great deals ILM Motorsports ILMOTOR Affiliate Link (Helmets ETC) http://www.ilmotor.com?p=HJpEgwXC4 Referral Code JAMEM78 Going on a trip or heading to a Rally. Book your next hotel through our partners and help the show in the process. https://www.booking.com/index.html?aid=1791100 Check us out on the Radio Version of the show and take us with you on those rides and trips. Available on all major Podcasting Platforms. Or click the link below https://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse If you would like to leave me a voice message that might be played on future episodes of the show go over to ANCHOR Podcast or Call the Studio Phone at 8479571656 Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle To Order one of my books click one of the links below. Available in Kindle and paperback. New Age Kindle https://amzn.to/2Dw2z99 New Age Paperback https://amzn.to/2DeAO4g Iron Order Motorcycle Club. https://amzn.to/2Dfreim Kindle
Season 1 Episode 5 Weekly Biker News Wrap up The Weekly Biker News Wrap Up where we keep you in touch on all the happenings in the Biker Scene. Motorcycle Club issues, Independent Biker Issues t
Episode 1 Motorcycle Madhouse Shorts- Will Motorcycle Clubs ever get along?
Take a ride with Hollywood as we address the question. Will Motorcycle Clubs ever get along? This is a question many within the biker community always ask. So lets see if we can drum up a debate on the issue and see if there is any chance clubs can come together . Insane Throttle is your #1 Resource for Biker News. Get all the scoops on the happenings within the biker scene including Motorcycle Club News, Motorcycle Events happening around the country and issues effecting motorcycle riders nationwide. http://www.harleyliberty.com We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Patreon http://patreon.com/insanethrottle Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle
Season 2 Episode 16 The True Story of Pagan MC Member Freddy Augello Part 1 of 2 with Special Guest Patty Falkinburg
On this episode with will start a two part series on Freddy Augello with special guest Patty Falkinburg. We will go through his circumstances as well as the beginning of how everything started and where it stands now. Bringing a stunning climax to a murder mystery that riveted the Philadelphia-South Jersey region, Tyner and his team had charged Kauffman with devising a murder-for-hire plot to kill April Kauffman after, prosecutors say, she’d threatened to expose an illegal drug ring he was allegedly running with members of the notorious biker group, the Pagans Motorcycle Club. Kauffman was accused of working with a reputed Pagans leader named Ferdinand Augello to arrange the hit on April Kauffman after, prosecutors believe, she threatened to go public with the shocking revelation that her husband had never served in the military, though he promoted himself as a Green Beret veteran who performed acts of heroism during the Vietnam War. For five years, Kim Pack suspected her stepfather, Dr. James Kauffman of killing her mother, a bubbly host of a popular local radio show. But it wasn’t until January of this year that the prominent New Jersey endocrinologist was charged with putting a hit out on April Kauffman’s life. Before he could go to trial, Jim Kauffman was found dead of an apparent suicide inside the county jail where he was being held. Jersey Shore Pagans motorcycle club leader, guitar maker, and convicted murderer blamed the 2012 killing of April Kauffman on two other men: one who testified against him and another who died of an overdose years ago. “I’m not John Gotti," he told Superior Court Judge Bernard DeLury. Don't Forget to visit our sponsors for some great deals ILM Motorsports ILMOTOR Affiliate Link (Helmets ETC) http://www.ilmotor.com?p=HJpEgwXC4 Referral Code JAMEM78 Going on a trip or heading to a Rally. Book your next hotel through our partners and help the show in the process. https://www.booking.com/index.html?aid=1791100 Check us out on the Radio Version of the show and take us with you on those rides and trips. Available on all major Podcasting Platforms. Or click the link below https://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse If you would like to leave me a voice message that might be played on future episodes of the show go over to ANCHOR Podcast or Call the Studio Phone at 8479571656 Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle To Order one of my books click one of the links below. Available in Kindle and paperback. New Age Kindle https://amzn.to/2Dw2z99 New Age Paperback https://amzn.to/2DeAO4g Iron Order Motorcycle Club. https://amzn.to/2Dfreim Kindle
Season 1 Episode 4 Weekly Biker News Wrapout of everything happening in the Biker scene and Outlaw Motorcycle Club Scene
Season 2 Episode 15 The Story of the Chicago West Side Outlaws Special Guest Former Regional President Ace
On this special Motorcycle Madhouse we have Ace- Former Regional President of the Chicago Outlaws and former member of the High Spirits Motorcycle Club. High Spirits were the club that would become the Chicago Outlaws Westside Chapter. Also on the show we have Dominick- Long Distance rider and an update on the Beast MG in Texas. Link for Appellate Court Ruling involving member of Beast MG testifying. https://www.mediafire.com/file/rq5kkr84rk9akt2/01-11-00403-cr.pdf/file Don't Forget to visit our sponsors for some great deals ILM Motorsports ILMOTOR Affiliate Link (Helmets ETC) http://www.ilmotor.com?p=HJpEgwXC4 Referral Code JAMEM78 Going on a trip or heading to a Rally. Book your next hotel through our partners and help the show in the process. https://www.booking.com/index.html?aid=1791100 If you would like to leave me a voice message that might be played on future episodes of the show go over to ANCHOR Podcast or Call the Studio Phone at 8479571656 Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle To Order one of my books click one of the links below. Available in Kindle and paperback. New Age Kindle https://amzn.to/2Dw2z99 New Age Paperback https://amzn.to/2DeAO4g Iron Order Motorcycle Club. https://amzn.to/2Dfreim Kindle
Season 2 Episode 14 The FBI Files down in Houston Texas concerning clubs like Bandidos and Mongols. Special Guest Budget Biker
On this explosive episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we have a leaked document concerning the FBIs warning to clubs in the San Antonio area. Clubs included in this leaked document are Mongols, Bandidos and Beast MG. August Event Ride and Rally Information https://www.facebook.com/events/1168237700025014/ Check us out on the Radio Version of the show and take us with you on those rides and trips. Available on all major Podcasting Platforms. Or click the link below https://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse If you would like to leave me a voice message that might be played on future episodes of the show go over to ANCHOR Podcast or Call the Studio Phone at 8479571656 Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle To Order one of my books click one of the links below. Available in Kindle and paperback. New Age Kindle https://amzn.to/2Dw2z99 New Age Paperback https://amzn.to/2DeAO4g Iron Order Motorcycle Club. https://amzn.to/2Dfreim Kindle
Season 1 Episode 2 Weekly Biker News Wrap Up All your Outlaw Biker News, Independent Biker News and More
Season 2 Episode 13 The 60's Biker and interview with Judge Hayes. A biker who lived through history
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse Radio we have special guest Judge Hayes. Administrator for the Facebook group Bikers and Brotherhoods which has grown to over 10,000 members. Hollywood and Judge will discuss pivotal events in Americas history that Judge lived through. Some of those events include JFK Assassination, Cuban Missile Crisis as well as the Vietnam War. Judge is a Vietnam War Vet who served in country and we discuss what it was like coming home and how that homecoming from Americans molded the 60's and 70's biker. It's that time period in which today's modern biker strives to be like. Well, if only in image anyways. Don't forget to leave a voice message on Anchor with this episode and it might be played on a future episode of Motorcycle Madhouse. Also if you're looking for a hotel for that next rally, business trip or vacation visit our partners for great deals on thousands of hotels worldwide https://www.booking.com/index.html?aid=1791100 Motorcycle Madhouse Live on video platforms like YouTube, Facebook and Periscope is every Monday at 7pmcst and Saturdays 11amcst. Check us out https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle
Episode 1 Premiere of The Weekly Biker News Wrap Up Motorcycle Club issues, Independent Biker Issues there is always something for everyone
Season 2 Episode 12 Christian Motorcycle Ministries and CMA are Discussed. Beast MG Followup
*DON"T FORGET TO LEAVE A VOICE MESSAGE THAT MIGHT GO ON A FUTURE OF THE MADHOUSE BY CLICKING THE MESSAGE BUTTON* On this Season 2 Episode 12 Christian Motorcycle Ministries and CMA are Discussed. Beast MG Followup is also focused on. The biker Club community has seen a increase of Christian Motorcycle Clubs and Hollywood Interviews 2 representatives from the Christian Motorcycle Association. An organization that has been around since the 80's. An organization that puts in tons of volunteer hours and helps put the biker lifestyle in good light. Also discussed is the Beast MG response to Insane Throttle/Motorcycle Madhouse article that was put out in the aftermath of a mob of MG members beating up on 2 individuals. We rely on your support to keep us on air. If you like the program considering contributing. Links to donate Paypal http://paypal.me/insanethrottle Anchor FM http://anchor.fm/motorcyclemadhouse/support Cash App cash.me/$insanethrottle
Season 2 Episode 11- What is RICO and is the DOJ really interested in law and order for all?
On today's show we talk about the DOJ supposed fair and impartial administration of justice for all Americans. We will discuss RICO as well as the practice District Attorneys use against bikers and the general public during a case. The material in this episode was provided by http://fedsgonebad.blogspot.com . Please take a moment and visit their sight. There is tons of information on this subject. To Order one of my books click one of the links below. Available in Kindle and paperback. New Age Kindle https://amzn.to/2Dw2z99 New Age Paperback https://amzn.to/2DeAO4g Iron Order Motorcycle Club. https://amzn.to/2Dfreim Kindle
Season 2 Episode 10 What is going on in the motorcycle club scene? Really an MG Patch?
Don't forget to leave a voice message by clicking on the link and you might have it played right here on Motorcycle Madhouse On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we continue our coverage of the Beast in Texas. If you haven't listened to Episode 9 we suggest listening to it first that way you're caught up on what happened when multiple members of the Beast MG jumped two individuals taking one of their patches. As everyone knows Texas is the epicenter of Motorcycle profiling and many are rightly upset with this incident since it brings all kinds of heat down on motorcycle clubs. Also coming up is a discussion on 2nd Amendment rights and how a former ex supreme court judge argues that American Citizens do not have the right to bear arms. Your 2nd Amendment rights are being targeted and you must get in the fight. Don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube Channel where you can hear the Madhouse Live Mondays at 7pmcst and Saturdays 11amcst.. The live show is broadcast over many social media platforms as well as featuring a call in segment where you can share your thoughts. https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews If you would like to contribute to the show we appreciate whatever you may be able to give. A link to the contribution button can be found on the shows main site. To purchase any of my books you may do so at the links below. New Age Kindle https://amzn.to/2Dw2z99 New Age Paperback https://amzn.to/2DeAO4g Iron Order Motorcycle Club. https://amzn.to/2Dfreim Kindle https://payhip.com/b/DFvh Audio Book https://amzn.to/2AFO1kI Paperback
Season 2 Episode 9 You want to know why Motorcycle Club Protocol Exists? This incident in Texas is exactly why.
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we discuss the reason for Motorcycle Club Protocol and challenge those creators who talk ill about it to give a legit reason as to why it shouldn't exist. An incident in Texas where 20 people jumped 2 people of another club has shown the worse in the motorcycle club scene. The incident was captured on video camera and made its rounds on National TV and Social Media. With Motorcycle Profiling being one of the biggest issues facing the motorcycle club scene its truly beyond me how a club could do this in open public. Don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube Channel where you can hear the Madhouse Live Mondays at 7pmcst and Saturdays 11amcst.. The live show is broadcast over many social media platforms as well as featuring a call in segment where you can share your thoughts. https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews If you would like to contribute to the show we appreciate whatever you may be able to give. A link to the contribution button can be found on the shows main site. To purchase any of my books you may do so at the links below. New Age Kindle https://amzn.to/2Dw2z99 New Age Paperback https://amzn.to/2DeAO4g Iron Order Motorcycle Club. https://amzn.to/2Dfreim Kindle https://payhip.com/b/DFvh Audio Book https://amzn.to/2AFO1kI Paperback
Season 2 Episode 8 Special Guests "Teach" and Good Time Charlie. We also talk about the Confederation of Clubs
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we have 2 special guests. Teach who wrote the book "It will get tough- Cops and Bikers" and BIC Radio Creator Good Time Charlie. This episode will explore biker rights as well as a spirited final thoughts by Hollywood on the Confederation of Clubs. The COC has become a favorite target of 1%er critics not only in Law Enforcement but also people who pretend to know the biker scene. You've all heard the saying "The COC controls which clubs are granted patch status." Or the "COC is the ultimate criminal enterprise." These sayings by people who've never once stepped into a confederation of clubs meeting or have no basic idea of what the Confederation of Clubs is really about. 2019 is the year bikers fight back on discrimination and Insane Throttle/Motorcycle Madhouse will be there to expose these hypocrites and get the correct information out to the general biking public. To Order one of my books click one of the links below. Available in Kindle and paperback. New Age Kindle https://amzn.to/2Dw2z99 New Age Paperback https://amzn.to/2DeAO4g Iron Order Motorcycle Club. https://amzn.to/2Dfreim Kindle
Season 2 Episode 7 ~ The differences between Firefighters motorcycle clubs and LEMCS
We ask the question. Does your free speech rights end when it comes to talking to Law Enforcement? We take a look at the Lewis v. City of New Orleans, 415 U.S. 130 (1974) Decision which was suppose to settle this question. But like anything its a decision which has been ignored by Law Enforcement. We also talk about the differences between Firefighters motorcycle clubs and LEMCS. Why do many people like Firefighter Motorcycle Clubs and not Law Enforcement Motorcycle Clubs? We will give you a hint. Hypocrites. One is and the other isn't. Also China Doll and Hollywood talk about "AJ" A 5 year old boy who was killed by his parents. DCFS had all the warning signs they needed to prevent this tragic incident. Did they? NO! Instead AJ fell through the crack in the system and ended up murdered at the hands of his own parents. To Order one of my books click one of the links below. Available in Kindle and paperback. New Age Kindle https://amzn.to/2Dw2z99 New Age Paperback https://amzn.to/2DeAO4g Iron Order Motorcycle Club. https://amzn.to/2Dfreim Kindle
Season 2 Episode 6 ~ The Mongols Motorcycle Club and what you need to know about government efforts to destroy the clubs image
We will dive deep into Steve Welk and who he is and what he has to do with what is going on with the Mongols MC. The hooting and celebration is premature. Especially when it comes to Steve Welk. For those who don't know or have been living in some dark hole somewhere. The Mongols Motorcycle Club has been fighting the government for the last decade. The Government has been trying to get the judicial system to take the Mongols Motorcycle Club logos and trademarks. Something that has pitted many civil rights organizations against the government as well as many in the club scene. This episode you will learn the status of the case as well as learn about asset forfeiture. The government has its number one asset forfeiture attorney on this case and one has to beg the question. Is this coincidence or was this the governments intention all along? To Order one of my books click one of the links below. Available in Kindle and paperback. New Age Kindle https://amzn.to/2Dw2z99 New Age Paperback https://amzn.to/2DeAO4g Iron Order Motorcycle Club. https://amzn.to/2Dfreim Kindle
Season 2 Episode 5- The True Biker Lifestyle with special Co-Host China Doll
On this very special episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we have China Doll as a co-host. Hollywood and China Doll will talk about the True Biker Lifestyle. Many times if you turn on the TV you will see shows and movies depicting bikers as gun slinging drug dealers. This couldn't be the furthest from the truth when it comes to what being a true biker is all about. Hollywood and China doll will take us on a tour of the good that biker organizations such as BACA and Rebels on a mission do for the many of abused kids facing abusers worldwide. News Media will always be fixated on turning profits. The only way to achieve that is to make shows like Sons of Anarchy and Mayans MC. Shows that in no way are accurate not only on biker life. But inaccurate when it comes to motorcycle clubs. Sit back as Insane Throttle Motorcycle Madhouse sets the record straight. Don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube Channel where you can hear the Madhouse Live Mondays at 7pmcst and Saturdays 11amcst.. The live show is broadcast over many social media platforms as well as featuring a call in segment where you can share your thoughts. https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews If you would like to contribute to the show we appreciate whatever you may be able to give. A link to the contribution button can be found on the shows main site. To purchase any of my books you may do so at the links below. New Age Kindle https://amzn.to/2Dw2z99 New Age Paperback https://amzn.to/2DeAO4g Iron Order Motorcycle Club. https://amzn.to/2Dfreim Kindle https://payhip.com/b/DFvh Audio Book https://amzn.to/2AFO1kI Paperback
Season 2 Episode 4 ~ Law Enforcement and Biker Relations- Do the two mix?
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse Radio. We are going to discuss law enforcement and biker relations. The debate on this subject varies greatly. Especially in this new era of biker. In decades past bikers and law enforcement knew there was a line neither would cross. Fast forward to 2019 and that line has seemed to disappeared. Many would argue the crossover has led to rift between independents and club members. Fueled by LEOS attempt to prop itself up as an alternative to the traditional motorcycle club and the protocols which were established decades ago. This new age of thinking has led to numerous pop up motorcycle clubs all over the country. These pop up motorcycle clubs emboldened by there new found friendship with law enforcement has left many questioning the viability of the traditional motorcycle club going forward. Have we've seen what was once a proud subculture slipping away into the history books? Has Law Enforcement accomplished their goal of divide and conquer? These are the questions we will explore in this episode. Don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube Channel where you can hear the Madhouse Live Mondays at 7pmcst and Saturdays 11amcst.. The live show is broadcast over many social media platforms as well as featuring a call in segment where you can share your thoughts. https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews If you would like to contribute to the show we appreciate whatever you may be able to give. A link to the contribution button can be found on the shows main site. To purchase any of my books you may do so at the links below. New Age Kindle https://amzn.to/2Dw2z99 New Age Paperback https://amzn.to/2DeAO4g Iron Order Motorcycle Club. https://amzn.to/2Dfreim Kindle https://payhip.com/b/DFvh Audio Book https://amzn.to/2AFO1kI Paperback
Season 2 Episode 3 So you want to be a biker? Well its time to get into the fight
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse Radio we are going to go straight forward and ask a question. If you call yourself a biker than why are you not in the fight for biker rights? 2019 has brought some of the most extensive motorcycle profiling than any other time in biker history. Wait! Let me guess. "If you are not doing anything wrong than you have nothing to worry about!" To all those pole smokers who really think that is the case you're sorely mistaking. Law Enforcement Profiling is starting to go even to the Independent Biker. It's not only the motorcycle club members anymore. It's everyone. So its time for the biker community to get together and start fighting for biker rights. Only when we all stick together will change come. Organizations like ABATE, MRF, National Coalition of Clubs and many more motorcycle rights organizations are there and need bikers support to fight on your behalf. Don't forget to check out all of our past podcasts. Motorcycle Madhouse Radio is now available on all major podcasting platforms including spotify, Google Music, IHeart Radio and more. Check out Motorcycle Madhouse LIVE Mondays and Saturdays on YouTube and on many other video platforms worldwide. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC07UxqyzQVsnYcvktxazQjQ?sub_confirmation=1
Season 2 Episode 2 with Special Guest National President Big O with Cossack 1%ers/ Is the bikers code for real or just on the internet?
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse Radio we have special guest Big O. National President of the Cossack 1%ers. We will explore Waco/Twin Peaks as well as the aftermath of heartbreak for numerous families who had to endure that episode. On Season 2 Episode 1 you can hear Richard Luther and his story of what happened at Waco Later on in the episode I explore whether the Biker Code is for real of if its just a meme on the internet. On May 17, 2015, in Waco, Texas, United States, a shootout erupted at a Twin Peaks restaurant where more than 200 persons, including members from motorcycle clubs (MC) that included the Bandidos, Cossacks, and allies, had gathered for a meeting about political rights for motorcyclists. Law enforcement, which included 18 members of the Waco police and 4 state troopers, had gathered to monitor the restaurant and meeting from outside, and, according to police, "returned fire after being shot at". Nine bikers were killed, 18 others wounded or injured, and 177 individuals were ultimately arrested and initially detained in connection with the shootout, most for alleged participation in organized crime.
Season 2 Episode 1 Special Guest Richard Luther former member of Cossacks MC as we talk Waco/Twin Peaks
On this 1st episode of Season 2 we start off with a bang! All remaining charges have been dropped in the May 15th 2015 Waco- Twin Peaks incident involving the Bandidos MC and Cossacks MC. This incident left 9 dead, 20 injured and over 177 people arrested. We will get into the details with Richard Luther. Former Ugly Man Cossack that was there and one of 24 remaining defendants in the incident to have his charges dropped. Don't forget to watch the LIVE airing of Motorcycle Madhouse on Mondays 7pmcst and Saturdays 11am cst on our YouTube Channel www.insanethrottlebikernews.com
EP65 The Path of the Mongols Motorcycle Club and Dave Walters stops by the Madhouse
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we hear from the Mongols Motorcycle Club Attorney on the 3 steps the government must take and win in order to take the logo and trademark of the Mongols Motorcycle Club. The Government won round 1. But will they be able to win the rest of the steps needed? #SAVETHEPATCH is now the rallying point for all club members. If the government is successful against the Mongols your club could be next. Link to Mongols Attorneys YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv_ijz2_Two&feature=youtu.be **Subscribe ( Its free) 👉🏽https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews ***Yesterdays video (Again Free) https://youtu.be/qgrelRsjNeg Concept Motorcycles- Is this what future bikers will be riding? Insane Throttle Links My Author Page:https://amzn.to/2DcxLcw Insane Throttle YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews *Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle **Twitter: https://twitter.com/insanethrottle ***Website: http://harleyliberty.com ****To help support the channel grow we use Paypal Donate- paypal.me/insanethrottle *****Insane Throttle Motorcycle Superstore -https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle ****Insane Throttle T-Shirt https://bit.ly/2QShZYW
Episode 64 Interview with Widow Sons and Michagan ABATE drops by the Madhouse
On This episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we talk about Motorcycle Associations with a member of the Widow Sons Motorcycle Association. We also talk with Michigan ABATE. Whats ABATE about and whats it's purpose? Find out now on this episode of the Madhouse Insane Throttle Links My Author Page:https://amzn.to/2DcxLcw Insane Throttle YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews *Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle **Twitter: https://twitter.com/insanethrottle ***Website: http://harleyliberty.com ****To help support the channel grow we use Paypal Donate- paypal.me/insanethrottle *****Insane Throttle Motorcycle Superstore -https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle ****Insane Throttle T-Shirt https://bit.ly/2QShZYW
EP63 Black Dragon stops by the Madhouse and we talk importance of Confederation of Clubs
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse weekly podcast Black Dragon of Black Dragon TV on YouTube stops by the Madhouse to give his viewpoint on a rodent who's been perpetrating outright lies against Motorcycle Clubs such as the Bandidos and Mongols MC. We explore his love of cops and his efforts to do anything and everything to draw attention to himself in order to make a living off unsuspecting people in the Motorcycle Scene. Later on in the show we expose another Out Bad member of a motorcycle club who has been selling fake patches online to people ignorant enough to buy them. We explore why protocol is in place and why the Confederation of Clubs is more important today than ever. Finally Harley-Davidson is in the news. We talk with a member of the steelworkers union in regards to what blue collar men and women think of the steel and aluminum tariffs and Harley Davidson wanting to go overseas to build there bikes.
Ep62 Mongols MC & Bandidos MC claims are addressed by New York plus interview with Cossack 1%er
Today on Ep62- New York Answers Chuckie Cheese claims against Mongols MC and Bandidos MC and we also bring you an exclusive Cossack 1% interview. The first segment of the show we have an exclusive interview with the National Sgt At Arms of the Cossack 1%ers. A little background on the Cossack 1%ers- The Cossack 1%ers were formed after the Waco Twin Peaks incident between the Ugly Man Cossacks and Bandidos Motorcycle Club. This split from the main club has led to many people coming out against the Cossack 1%ers, on of them being out-bad member Mark White. Mark White recently did an interview with Jim Parks where he made numerous claims against his old motorcycle club. Today on the Madhouse we have the Clubs response. Our second segment of Motorcycle Madhouse welcomes everyone's favorite new commentator New York. New York will address the recent statements of Chuckie Cheese against the Mongols Motorcycle Club as well as his comments against the Bandidos Motorcycle Club. But that's not it! We will dive into other subjects in which Chuck claims to be an expert on and refute those claims as false and misleading to the general motorcycle community. As many know, recently New York challenge Chuck to a debate on Motorcycle Madhouse. Unfortunately, Chuck has decided to resort to playing games instead of debating New York. This is a subject we discuss in great detail on why this might be the case. Don't forget to visit my Author store for the hottest selling biker books on Amazon. The New Age of Biking & Brotherhood and Iron Order- The Year that changed the motorcycle club scene. https://amzn.to/2DcxLcw For daily biker news visit us on Insane Throttle http://www.harleyliberty.com
Ep61 Interview with New York on the Mongols Patch Case and Rebels on a mission
Interview with New York on the Mongols Patch Case and Rebels with a mission. First interview we discuss the Mongols Patch Case as well as Pagan case. Second interview we talk with Rebels on a mission about how they are helping children through child abuse Author Page https://amzn.to/2DcxLcw Audio Version New Age- https://payhip.com/b/NAaF New Age Kindle https://amzn.to/2Dw2z99 New ge Paperback https://amzn.to/2DeAO4g https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle https://cubbiesroc1973.wixsite.com/jamesmacecari/books Holiday Audio Special- https://payhip.com/b/6Eak Iron Order Motorcycle Club. https://amzn.to/2Dfreim Kindle https://payhip.com/b/DFvh Audio Book https://amzn.to/2AFO1kI Paperback
Ep 60 - Exclusive interview with witness to Pagan Assault in Pittsburgh. Mongols Patch Case
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we have an exclusive interview with a witness to the police brutality in Pittsburgh against members of the Pagans Motorcycle Club. We also talk Mongols Patch Case. Don't forget to grab your copy of the Iron Order MC- The Year that changed the motorcycle club scene and The New Age of Biking and Brotherhood. Visit my author page https://amzn.to/2DcxLcw To get audio formats of the books check out Insane Throttle Publishing https://payhip.com/b/6Eak Now more than ever it's important that the biker community come together and help fight police profiling.
Ep59 Special Guest UABA, Mongols MC court case moves ahead , ABATE and special events
Ep59 Special Guest UABA, Mongols MC court case moves ahead , ABATE and special events James "Hollywood "Macecari has done it again. This time he brings you a riveting look at the Iron Order Motorcycle Club. Get never before commentary and inside looks at the Iron Order MC. Now available through Amazon on Paper book & Kindle. Get the Audio Book right through Insane Throttle Publishing by clicking here. Purchase the Audio book & get "The New Age of Biking & Brotherhood" E book plus 5 hours of interviews for only $4.99. https://amzn.to/2Dfreim Kindle https://payhip.com/b/DFvh Audio Book https://amzn.to/2AFO1kI Paperback The New Age of Biking & Brotherhood Ebook plus 5 hours of free audio interviews https://payhip.com/b/Yzdb USA Customers New Age Signed Copy https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=PMGTJ7DS9CJNJ International Customers https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=UKXTU8E3AGDP2
Ep 58- Kinfolk Truth Crew Exclusive, Red Dragon Fighter, Guardian of the Children & More
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse. We interview "Trade Mark" from Guardian of the Children. We have an exclusive with Nick "Red Dragon"Rose as well as Kinfolk Truth Crew Buster interview and of course our Biker Hangout Corner "Whats happening segment" To help support the channel grow we use Paypal Donate- paypal.me/insanethrottle JP Cycles - Ad Link Affiliate-http://bit.do/jpcycles http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=ml&ti=317737&pw=237321 Get your copy of the hottest new biker books of the year. Author Page https://amzn.to/2ymMO03 New Age of Biking and Brotherhood https://amzn.to/2pYz5YL Daily biker news- http://www.harleyliberty.com Insane Throttle Motorcycle Superstore https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle Subscribe to Our Youtube Channel www.insanethrottlebikernews.com
Episode 57- Harley Davidson Lack of loyalty Neon Rose tells his story Jesse and Marcie stop by.
We have an action packed episode of Motorcycle Madhouse this week. Scott "Neon" Rose comes on to tell his story plus we have Jesse from the Kinfolk Truth Crew Rat Busters, Marcie from the Biker Hangout Corner giving us the events happening in the biker scene and DC who will be letting us know the nightmare he was forced to go through buying his first Harley-Davidson Motorcycle in Ft Worth Texas. To donate to Neons Go Fund Me Page click on https://www.gofundme.com/help-scott-rose-now Get your copy of the hottest new biker books of the year. Author Page https://amzn.to/2ymMO03 New Age of Biking and Brotherhood https://amzn.to/2pYz5YL Daily biker news- http://www.harleyliberty.com Insane Throttle Motorcycle Superstore https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle Subscribe to Our Youtube Channel www.insanethrottlebikernews.com Insane Throttle Facebook Page www.facebook.com/insanethrottle
Ep56- Breaking News Kinfolk MC Exposed and all new Biker Hangout Corner Premieres
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse. Jesse, Admin of the Kinfolk Truth Crew Rat Buster site comes on to break exclusive news on the status of Kinfolk Prospect in Florida arrested for shooting into an SUV with 2 young kids. Also we have the ladies from The Biker Hangout Corner on. Don't forget to follow us at http://www.harleyliberty.com for all your daily biker news. Daily Biker Videos at http://www.insanethrottlebikernews.com Get Your Copy of Hottest New Biker Book this year. The New Age of Biking & Brotherhood Paperback - https://amzn.to/2QZXMjX Kindle Edition- https://amzn.to/2zxnaqm The Legitimate Motorcycle Club Kindle Edition- https://amzn.to/2IqJG7t Author Page https://amzn.to/2zKPtBS Official Insane Throttle Support Store https://www.zazzle.com/insane_throttle/products Become a monthly supporter for as low as $1 https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle One Time Donations https://www.paypal.me/insanethrottle Like and Subscribe to Our Youtube Channel www.insanethrottlebikernews.com https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle Daily Biker Babes https://www.pinterest.com/insanethrottle/boards/
Ep55 Millenia biker responds to criticism to his generation- Your 2nd amendment in jeopardy
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Ep54. Police Profiling gone wild ! Ft Worth Witness & Owner of Wilsons Leather talks about the event
On this episode the Madhouse has Jeff Wilson of Wilson leather gear to discuss the incident that took place when cops came into his store, one with gun out and put members of the Vagos M/C against the wall. Two arrested. Jeff tells us what happened and his thoughts on the police profiling. Also Brian from BIC stops by to talk about the current state of political correctness in the scene
Ep53 When will the Waco Nightmare be resolved?Also heavy handed response from LEOS to Mongols
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Ep52- Why would someone join a support club instead of the dominant motorcycle club?
On this episode we answer this question A question for you, Hollywood, and I won't doubt this'll hit a nerve, but let's talk "support clubs" for a moment, shall we? It's sort of a two part'er. Part one: Some cats decide to get something together and ask around with the various big outfits if they'll get their ass beat should they sew something on. The BIG outfit says go ahead but, you'll sew this small patch on your upper chest signifying we approve. Also, we pull your strings. You come when we call. Blah, blah. Maybe not a "support club," but none-the-less... Right? Are you hip to something like that going down? Part two, the full on support club: Many of the larger outfits have "support outfits." I'm not going to name names, but any of the big clubs have satellite (so to speak) chapters of a different name running the same brand name colors(Yellow and red. Red and black. Blue and white. Etc. Etc..) The question here being, why would an individual want to prospect for a support rather than simply hooking up with a big boy sponsor and running the Colors (patch) for reals? I would write that it kind of smacks of "wanna be" shit, but I don't want to get my ass beat either. Would you care to comment? I'll understand if this is all super secret 1% stuff and can't be shared with motorcycle riding hippies, but I didn't think it would hurt to ask. Get your copy of New Age Of Biking & Brotherhood https://amzn.to/2BMc4Rv Kindle Version https://amzn.to/2wKvKQd Author Page on Amazon amazon.com/author/jamesmacecari One time Paypal Donations to the Channel - paypal.me/insanethrottle For all your daily biker news - http://www.harleyliberty.com Join us twice a week on Motorcycle Madhouse free podcast http://www.harleybikernews.com For all your motorcycle needs hop on over to our motorcycle superstore https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle All of Insane Throttles Social Media in one place https://linktr.ee/motorcyclemadhouse If you would like to become a patreon and supporter of Biker Angle and Motorcycle Madhouse visit our Patreon Page https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle Join us on Facebook and get involved in the conversation at http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle
Ep51Cossacks 1%ers speak out on Big Pete, BBS, and other rumors: Biker Hangout Corner stops by
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse. A representative from the Cossacks 1%ers stops by to give their side of the story on Big Pete, involvement in the BBS and more. We also have Marcie and Kim from the Biker Hangout Facebook Group on. Don't forget to get my new book. Get your copy of New Age Of Biking & Brotherhood https://amzn.to/2BMc4Rv Kindle Version https://amzn.to/2wKvKQd Author Page on Amazon amazon.com/author/jamesmacecari One time Paypal Donations to the Channel - paypal.me/insanethrottle For all your daily biker news - http://www.harleyliberty.com Join us twice a week on Motorcycle Madhouse free podcast http://www.harleybikernews.com For all your motorcycle needs hop on over to our motorcycle superstore https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle All of Insane Throttles Social Media in one place https://linktr.ee/motorcyclemadhouse If you would like to become a patreon and supporter of Biker Angle and Motorcycle Madhouse visit our Patreon Page https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle Join us on Facebook and get involved in the conversation at http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle
Ep 50 Interview with Australia Club Member as well as importance of independent Biker News
On this episode we talk with a member of a Australia Motorcycle Club about the differences between USA Clubs and OZ Clubs. We also discuss the VLAD Laws. Also a discussion on the Importance of Independent Biker News. New Age Of Biking & Brotherhood https://amzn.to/2BMc4Rv Ebook https://amzn.to/2wKvKQd https://www.patreon.com/settings/payout One time Paypal Donations to the Channel - paypal.me/insanethrottle All of Insane Throttles Social Media in one place https://linktr.ee/motorcyclemadhouse If you would like to become a patreon and supporter of Biker Angle and Motorcycle Madhouse visit our Patreon Page https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle Follow us on Instagram for Daily Biker Babes and Biker Angle every morning on Instagram TV https://www.instagram.com/motorcyclemadhouse
Ep 49- A Woman Scorned Payback against the Club and why we will never accept LEO answered
Being a female, I can only describe what it was like being in the one-percenter culture, but not the actual club. Members must be men. But make no mistake, women who are the wives or girlfriends of these men still spend a great deal of time around club members doing club stuff. My ex was a member of the Bandidos for several years. I found that the illusion of being in a biker gang and the reality of being in a biker gang were very different. Over the years, people in the one-percenter world would tell me their stories of how they had ended up being a Bandit or a PBOL (Proud Bandido Old Lady), and I would see some distinct patterns in the lives of people drawn to the outlaw biker lifestyle. Get the new book now out on Amazon New Age Of Biking & Brotherhood https://amzn.to/2BMc4Rv One time Paypal Donations to the Channel - paypal.me/insanethrottle All of Insane Throttles Social Media in one place https://linktr.ee/motorcyclemadhouse If you would like to become a patreon and supporter of Biker Angle and Motorcycle Madhouse visit our Patreon Page https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle Follow us on Instagram for Daily Biker Babes and Biker Angle every morning on Instagram TV https://www.instagram.com/motorcyclemadhouse Follow us a subscribe to our Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews For all your daily biker news - http://www.harleyliberty.com Join us twice a week on Motorcycle Madhouse free podcast http://www.harleybikernews.com For all your motorcycle needs hop on over to our motorcycle superstore https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle Join us on Facebook and get involved in the conversation at http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle
Ep 48- The Chicago Confederation Of Clubs Speak Out on "The Last Chicago Boss"- P 2 Milperra massacre
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse. We are joined by a board member of the Chicago Confederation of Clubs who will give the Confederations Response to Big Pete and his book the Last Chicago Boss. Also we will be airing the final part of a 60 min interview with those who were at the Milperra massacre. James Macecari new book "The New Age of Biking & Brotherhood: is now on sale in both print and on kindle. New Age Of Biking & Brotherhood https://amzn.to/2BMc4Rv Kindle https://amzn.to/2MQoUCx One time Paypal Donations to the Channel - paypal.me/insanethrottle All of Insane Throttles Social Media in one place https://linktr.ee/motorcyclemadhouse If you would like to become a patreon and supporter of Biker Angle and Motorcycle Madhouse visit our Patreon Page https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle Follow us on Instagram for Daily Biker Babes and Biker Angle every morning on Instagram TV https://www.instagram.com/motorcyclemadhouse Follow us a subscribe to our Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews
Ep 47. Why Do Men Join M/C's? Also the The Milperra Massacre Part 1
In this episode we explore the question. Why do Men Join Motorcycle Clubs? We also kick off a two part series on the Milperra Massacre. A Biker War that cost many lives. James "Hollywood" Macecari new book "The New Age of Biking & Brotherhood" is now out. You can purchase it through Amazon https://amzn.to/2BMc4Rv It's also on Kindle https://amzn.to/2MQoUCx One time Paypal Donations to the Channel - paypal.me/insanethrottle All of Insane Throttles Social Media in one place https://linktr.ee/motorcyclemadhouse If you would like to become a patreon and supporter of Biker Angle and Motorcycle Madhouse visit our Patreon Page https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle Follow us on Instagram for Daily Biker Babes and Biker Angle every morning on Instagram TV https://www.instagram.com/motorcyclemadhouse Follow us a subscribe to our Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews For all your daily biker news - http://www.harleyliberty.com
Ep 46. LEMC Member comes on Madhouse to Debate Hollywood- Plus What is Truth Crew Sites
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse. A member of the Filthy Screws LEMC comes on and explains why all LEMC are not the same. Is Hollywood buying his argument? Are you buying his argument? Should there be communication between the traditional motorcycle club scene and the Law Enforcement Scene? You be the judge. Don't forget Hollywood new book New Age of Biking & Brotherhood hits September 1st. Available both in print and ebook and kindle formats. New Age Of Biking & Brotherhood https://books2read.com/u/3nYBWx https://www.patreon.com/settings/payout One time Paypal Donations to the Channel - paypal.me/insanethrottle All of Insane Throttles Social Media in one place https://linktr.ee/motorcyclemadhouse If you would like to become a patreon and supporter of Biker Angle and Motorcycle Madhouse visit our Patreon Page https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle Follow us on Instagram for Daily Biker Babes and Biker Angle every morning on Instagram TV https://www.instagram.com/motorcyclemadhouse Follow us a subscribe to our Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews For all your daily biker news - http://www.harleyliberty.com Join us twice a week on Motorcycle Madhouse free podcast http://www.harleybikernews.com For all your motorcycle needs hop on over to our motorcycle superstore https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle Join us on Facebook and get involved in the conversation at http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle
Ep 45. A Special Report - America In Crisis: It's time for everyone to take an inward look
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse. I go on assignment and talk with some wonderful bikers and regular citizens who go out every night and every Sunday to help their fellow man. This is a must hear episode. One that will have people looking inward and counting their blessings. New Age Of Biking & Brotherhood https://books2read.com/u/3nYBWx One time Paypal Donations to the Channel - paypal.me/insanethrottle All of Insane Throttles Social Media in one place https://linktr.ee/motorcyclemadhouse If you would like to become a patreon and supporter of Biker Angle and Motorcycle Madhouse visit our Patreon Page https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle Follow us on Instagram for Daily Biker Babes and Biker Angle every morning on Instagram TV https://www.instagram.com/motorcyclemadhouse Follow us a subscribe to our Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews For all your daily biker news - http://www.harleyliberty.com Join us twice a week on Motorcycle Madhouse free podcast http://www.harleybikernews.com For all your motorcycle needs hop on over to our motorcycle superstore https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle Join us on Facebook and get involved in the conversation at http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Insane Throttle is now on Pintrest www.pinterest.com/cubbiesroc1973 Insane Throttle on Twitter https://twitter.com/insanethrottle For membership in the AMA where you get all kinds of member perks www.amajoin.com/inthbi
Ep44 FatDaddyRabbit stops by the Madhouse- Also the motorcycle community lost a legend this week
In 1962, Truett began racing drag bikes but he continued to look for ways to get more speed out of them, and he started by changing the flywheels in his own Sportster. “I changed out the flywheels in an attempt to gain more power,” Truett said. “I also tried a number of unusual additives to increase speed like paint thinner and cleaners, because back in the day, we tested everything in bikes. And believe it or not, it worked.” Around 1964, Truett found that using nitro-methane worked the best in powering the bikes. “I trained with nitro when most people didn’t even know what it was,” he said, “and was the first to go to nitro racing in Wichita.” During this time, Truett also began dating his future wife, Diane. Diane worked as a licensed beautician but it didn’t stop her from getting involved in the oil and grease to keep up with Bonnie. “I mixed chemicals for the beauty shop to do hair and it wasn’t long before Bonnie had me mixing the fuel for the drag bike, too. It was the same as work except I was using different additives,” Diane said. Truett said some of the chemicals mixed were literally liquid dynamite. “It took four people to stage and start the bike,” he said. “But it was just me and Diane. She was my pit crew, and would stage the bike until I was on the driver’s seat.” “Not only did I mix the fuel, I learned to change the oil and spark plugs, work the clutch and file it, and a lot of other things,” Diane said. But Truett’s racing career did not come without sacrifices. The two said they travelled short distances quickly and on a budget so Bonnie could race. “We’d pack a bag and be ready to go in at a moment’s notice,” Diane said. “We had to race on a budget and a lot of times we slept in my van instead of having to pay for a motel room,” Truett said. Opens Shop Truett was working for the railroad in Kansas when he and a racing buddy, Paul Osborn, decided to open their own Harley shop, Truett & Osborn, in 1971. Eventually they started to create and manufacture their own flywheels, cams, cylinders, and rods. New Age Of Biking & Brotherhood https://books2read.com/u/3nYBWx One time Paypal Donations to the Channel - paypal.me/insanethrottle All of Insane Throttles Social Media in one place https://linktr.ee/motorcyclemadhouse If you would like to become a patreon and supporter of Biker Angle and Motorcycle Madhouse visit our Patreon Page https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle One time Paypal Donations to the Channel - topfuelabd@gmail.com Follow us on Instagram for Daily Biker Babes and Biker Angle every morning on Instagram TV https://www.instagram.com/motorcyclemadhouse Follow us a subscribe to our Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews For all your daily biker news - http://www.harleyliberty.com Join us twice a week on Motorcycle Madhouse free podcast http://www.harleybikernews.com For all your motorcycle needs hop on over to our motorcycle superstore https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle Join us on Facebook and get involved in the conversation at http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Insane Throttle is now on Pintrest www.pinterest.com/cubbiesroc1973 Insane Throttle on Twitter https://twitter.com/insanethrottle For membership in the AMA where you get all kinds of member perks www.amajoin.com/inthbi
Ep 43- Importance of knowing Motorcycle History, Alex Jones and what Out Bad Means
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we will discuss the importance of knowing your motorcycle history as well as why every one should be shocked by the media coverage of a specific biker event in Indy. Also Alex Jones gives a statement on the media and globalist elite. Finally we talk what it means to be put "Out Bad" from a motorcycle club. Why there isn't three sides of the story as many suggest New Age Of Biking & Brotherhood https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/the-new-age-of-biking-brotherhood/id1425297343?mt=11&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/the-new-age-of-biking-brotherhood https://wwmt.com/news/nation-world/rain-pouring-trump-rages-on-twitter-and-hangs-with-bikers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9KEs8COsxU Adam Sandoval Rides shadetree surgeon Dan Motovlogs p4rna my love Sunday 8-19 at 1100 CST https://www.patreon.com/settings/payout One time Paypal Donations to the Channel - topfuelabd@gmail.com All of Insane Throttles Social Media in one place https://linktr.ee/motorcyclemadhouse If you would like to become a patreon and supporter of Biker Angle and Motorcycle Madhouse visit our Patreon Page https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle One time Paypal Donations to the Channel - topfuelabd@gmail.com Follow us on Instagram for Daily Biker Babes and Biker Angle every morning on Instagram TV https://www.instagram.com/motorcyclemadhouse Follow us a subscribe to our Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews For all your daily biker news - http://www.harleyliberty.com
EP42 Coverage of Official Outlaws M/C (AOA) Response to the book "The Last Chicago Boss" By Pete James
This entire episode is dedicated to the response from the Outlaws M/C to the book written by Pete James. The Last Chicago Boss. The response is to the point and explains the AOA side of the story. This is just the tip of the Iceberg when it comes to our series on Pete James. More information will be following in the coming weeks. A response like this is very rare and Insane Throttle has the exclusive. The Response shows just how much the AOA wants people to be aware of Pete James who is Out Bad from the club. The club does not want anything to do with his scheming and wants no part of their name Associated with him. Shocking stuff!! One time Paypal Donations to the Channel - topfuelabd@gmail.com All of Insane Throttles Social Media in one place https://linktr.ee/motorcyclemadhouse If you would like to become a patreon and supporter of Biker Angle and Motorcycle Madhouse visit our Patreon Page https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle One time Paypal Donations to the Channel - topfuelabd@gmail.com Follow us on Instagram for Daily Biker Babes and Biker Angle every morning on Instagram TV https://www.instagram.com/motorcyclemadhouse Follow us a subscribe to our Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews For all your daily biker news - http://www.harleyliberty.com Join us twice a week on Motorcycle Madhouse free podcast http://www.harleybikernews.com For all your motorcycle needs hop on over to our motorcycle superstore https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle Join us on Facebook and get involved in the conversation at http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Insane Throttle is now on Pintrest www.pinterest.com/cubbiesroc1973 Insane Throttle on Twitter https://twitter.com/insanethrottle For membership in the AMA where you get all kinds of member perks www.amajoin.com/inthbi
Ep 41- New Age of Motorcycle Gangsters and troubling rise of clubs allowing Pedophiles in ranks
In this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we talk about the rise of Motorcycle Club members wanting to be more of gangsters than bikers. We also talk about the disturbing trend of motorcycle clubs allowing pedophiles into their ranks. https://linktr.ee/motorcyclemadhouse If you would like to become a patreon and supporter of Biker Angle and Motorcycle Madhouse visit our Patreon Page https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle One time Paypal Donations to the Channel - topfuelabd@gmail.com Follow us on Instagram for Daily Biker Babes and Biker Angle every morning on Instagram TV https://www.instagram.com/motorcyclemadhouse Follow us a subscribe to our Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews For all your daily biker news - http://www.harleyliberty.com Join us twice a week on Motorcycle Madhouse free podcast http://www.harleybikernews.com For all your motorcycle needs hop on over to our motorcycle superstore https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle Join us on Facebook and get involved in the conversation at http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Insane Throttle is now on Pintrest www.pinterest.com/cubbiesroc1973 Insane Throttle on Twitter https://twitter.com/insanethrottle For membership in the AMA where you get all kinds of member perks www.amajoin.com/inthbi
Ep 39-THE NEW AGE OF MOTORCYCLE CLUBS -Hypocrisy,Technology we discuss it all.
We are going to take a detour. Instead of doing news today I want to bring something to the forefront that was posted on IOTC. When I saw the post, it hit on a variety of subjects. Some I agree with and some that I do not. This post was a hell of a conversation starter and one that many have been thinking, but never would say. So let's look at the post, and Ill give some of my viewpoints on the subject. I'm hoping to hear every ones thought in the comment sections here on Youtube and Facebook. Again, this is something that truly hits on some stuff many out there have been thinking. If you would like to become a patreon and supporter of Biker Angle and Motorcycle Madhouse visit our Patreon Page https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle Follow us on Instagram for Daily Biker Babes and Biker Angle every morning on Instagram TV https://www.instagram.com/motorcyclemadhouse Follow us a subscribe to our Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews For all your daily biker news - http://www.harleyliberty.com Join us twice a week on Motorcycle Madhouse free podcast http://www.harleybikernews.com For all your motorcycle needs hop on over to our motorcycle superstore https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle Join us on Facebook and get involved in the conversation at http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Insane Throttle is now on Pintrest www.pinterest.com/cubbiesroc1973 Insane Throttle on Twitter https://twitter.com/insanethrottle For membership in the AMA where you get all kinds of member perks www.amajoin.com/inthbi
Ep 40- Interview with one of oldest clubs in the world- Yonkers M/C celebrating 115 years as a club
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse I interview Bear from the Yonkers Motorcycle Club. The Yonkers Motorcycle Club is turning 115 years old and we discuss it's history and what has kept it together so long. We also talk about the Mongols Moving to Texas and why those on the internet might want to mind their own business. If you would like to become a patreon and supporter of Biker Angle and Motorcycle Madhouse visit our Patreon Page https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle Follow us on Instagram for Daily Biker Babes and Biker Angle every morning on Instagram TV https://www.instagram.com/motorcyclemadhouse Follow us a subscribe to our Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews For all your daily biker news - http://www.harleyliberty.com Join us twice a week on Motorcycle Madhouse free podcast http://www.harleybikernews.com For all your motorcycle needs hop on over to our motorcycle superstore https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle Join us on Facebook and get involved in the conversation at http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Insane Throttle is now on Pintrest www.pinterest.com/cubbiesroc1973 Insane Throttle on Twitter https://twitter.com/insanethrottle For membership in the AMA where you get all kinds of member perks www.amajoin.com/inthbi
Ep 38- The decisions to look at when joining an MC- Special Guest Interview Exit 27
So let me ask a question as I get started off here on this segment. Is it or isn't it true that what someone might have done in the past is irrelevant to who they are now? For example take Sammy "The Bull" Gravino. The under boss for the Gambino Crime Family. Here is a dude who was once one of the most feared and looked up person in the underworld. Well until he flipped and testified against his people. But that is irrelevant right now. Basically even though gravano made a mark on the underworld at one point. That shit doesn't matter worth a shit now. He's a nobody and actually is hunted in the Mafia Scene. Basically for those who do not know that scene. The equivillant would be OUT BAD in biker terms but motorcycle clubs most of the time do not go around killing rats unless they have the opportunity. But whatever. The point is he is irrevelant. Past don't mean a damned thing now. He has no friends or associates in his old crew. SO what does that make him? Makes him just like everyone else. Maybe even alittle worse because in the biker community a person who is out bad is looked like they didn't even exists. If you would like to become a patreon and supporter of Biker Angle and Motorcycle Madhouse visit our Patreon Page https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle Follow us on Instagram for Daily Biker Babes and Biker Angle every morning on Instagram TV https://www.instagram.com/motorcyclemadhouse/channel/ Follow us a subscribe to our Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews For all your daily biker news - http://www.harleyliberty.com Join us twice a week on Motorcycle Madhouse free podcast http://www.harleybikernews.com For all your motorcycle needs hop on over to our motorcycle superstore https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle Join us on Facebook and get involved in the conversation at http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle Insane Throttle is now on Pintrest www.pinterest.com/cubbiesroc1973 Insane Throttle on Twitter https://twitter.com/insanethrottle For membership in the AMA where you get all kinds of member perks www.amajoin.com/inthbi
Ep 37- We talk about Iron Order Civil Case and special guest Hollywood Original GLOW Wrestler
On this episode we discuss the dismissal of the Iron Order MC Civil Case as well as interview one of the original ladies on GLOW- Gorgeous Ladies Of Wrestling. Follow us on Instagram for Daily Biker Babes and Biker Angle every morning on Instagram TV https://www.instagram.com/motorcyclemadhouse/ For all your daily biker news - http://www.harleyliberty.com Join us twice a week on Motorcycle Madhouse free podcast http://www.harleybikernews.com For all your motorcycle needs hop on over to our motorcycle superstore https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle Join us on Facebook and get involved in the conversation at http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle If you would like to become a patreon and supporter of Biker Angle and Motorcycle Madhouse visit our Patreon Page https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle Insane Throttle is now on Pintrest www.pinterest.com/cubbiesroc1973 Visit us on our YouTube https://www.youtube.com/c/InsaneThrottleBikerNews
Ep 36- What's happening in MC Scene? Pop Up Club Challenges Big Dogs? Also Pearl Bottom Radio
Welcome to Motorcycle Madhouse I'm James "hollywood"macecari . We will be discussing the what is wrong in the motorcycle club scene. Later in the show we have Pearl Bottom Radio . Let me tell you. These guys have it dialed in. Before we get into my monolouge I'm happy to announce my new book "The New Age Biker- A Lifestyle at a crossroads" will be released Aug 1st on Kindle and Nov 1st the Physical book will be coming out. I'm not going to release many details on it other than there will be some shocking revelations that is sure to open many peoples eyes. Some of the material in this book is a result of a 6 month investigation as well as interviews conducted with a variety of people. It's sure to light a firestorm within the biker community. So I was looking at all the morning news posts scanning for material to share with our audience over at Insane Throttle Biker News. We have a new policy of sharing all biker related news now regardless of club affiliation. If it's in the news Insane Throttle will share it. SO as I'm going through everything I stop dead in my tracks. Low and behold I see this no name club from tennessee holding up what appears to be a T shirt of the Outlaws MC. He was holding it upside down and showing it off as if he took it off an outlaw. I actually had to do a double take because I couldn't believe what I was seeing. For membership in the AMA where you get all kinds of member perks www.amajoin.com/inthbi For all your daily biker news - http://www.harleyliberty.com Join us twice a week on Motorcycle Madhouse free podcast http://www.harleybikernews.com For all your motorcycle needs hop on over to our motorcycle superstore https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle Join us on Facebook and get involved in the conversation at http://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle If you would like to become a patreon and supporter of Biker Angle and Motorcycle Madhouse visit our Patreon Page https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle
Ep35- Chris Cox Founder of Bikers for Trump- Madhouse Talks Brotherhood & Storm Kicker
Welcome to Motorcycle Madhouse. I'm James " Hollywood" Macecari and this is episode 35. Today we are going to cover the subject of Brotherhood. It's a subject we've really not addressed in detail and one that is the most used term in the biker lifestyle. But is the term really understood? I'll give everyone my viewpoints coming up . Also later on in the show we will have our first band interview with special guest Storm Kicker for our new segment - Up and coming bands- When you hear this band you will probably think the same as I did. David Allen Coe and Outlaw Country. Motorcycle Madhouse is dedicated to supporting the local band scene. Afterall. It's these bands that you will find playing at all sorts of biker events. Everything from rallies to club house parties. Most of the time they go UN noticed as an integral part of what the biker scene is all about. So let's get to our first segment and talk about brotherhood. https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle https://www.facebook.com/insanethrottle For Daily Biker News http://www.harleybikernews.com
Ep 34- Why are Bikers Loyal to Harley-Davidson? Special Guest NY we talk Mayans M/C
Welcome to this edition of Motorcycle Madhouse Episode 34. I' James " Hollywood" Macecari and today we got another action packed show for everyone. First I would like to say thanks to all the bands sending in the Mp3's for consideration to be on the Madhouse. Currently we are receiving about 100 to 150 submissions a day and we are going through them as fast as we can. So bear with us if you haven't heard from the Madhouse Yet. I'm pretty stoked about adding the up and coming band segment to the madhouse. I've always supported the local music scene and I'm happy to be able to get bands out there in front of a worldwide audience. I also want to thank those who've signed up as monthly patreons of the show. As everyone can see we are now on Tusdays and Saturdays. We were able to add the second show solely because of our patreons. Our goal for the Madhouse is to be on 5 days a week. So if you would like to help us get to that goal become a monthly $5 patreon today. You can visit the show notes or see the banners on Insane Throttle Biker News website harleyliberty.com/ With that let's get into our first segment All of the us bikers have been bombarded by the news that Harley-Davidson has been having some pretty extreme issues the last couple of years. The company's sales started slipping in 2016. I would argue it started going south farther back to 2008 when the Great Recession started taking a toll on every significant business out there in America. But let's remain at 2016 just for the example used by the Motley Fool. In the last few days, a debate has been raging in the biker community about Harley-Davidson announcing it would have to shift some of its production overseas to Europe. This because of the Tariffs placed against it by the EU. If the Thailand plant was a kick in the nuts to the workers of the Kansas plant.The news Harley was attempting this stunt. Represent a knock out punch to alot of those who have remained steadfast behind Harley-Davidson for most of their adult lives. https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle https://www.facebook.com/motorcyclemadhouse To Join AMA and get tons of member benefits www.amajoin.com/inthbi Daily biker News http://www.harleyliberty.com
Episode 33 - National President of the Historic 13 Rebels M/C Stops by the Madhouse
Welcome to Motorcycle Madhouse Episode 33 and I'm James "hollywood" Macecari and what a show we have for you today. In a moment I'll be joined by Jackpot. The National President of the 13 Rebels M/C. If you don't know who the 13 Rebels are then you've been living on another planet. The 13 Rebels are one of the oldest clubs in the United States. They were at Hollister and like a few other clubs were the inspiration behind the movie "The Wild One" . Before I get into the interview Im happy to announce our Facebook Page is back up and running so head on over there and get involved in the conversation. Sadly our Old Youtube Page is gone. Gotta love censorship and crybabies. But no worries. We have a new one up and running and we will be repopulating it with videos on a variety of subjects on the biker scene. You can type in insane throttle biker news and you will be taking right to it. Currently we have episodes of Motorcycle Madhouse on it and again. Next few weeks we will be turning our attention on getting it up and running again. We have a new adventure from Butterball after the interview and some more wacky and craxy news. Seems like The Adventures of Butteeball has become a fan favorite and thank everyone for all the emails wanting more. To Learn about membership in the American Motorcycle Association and get tons of members benefits www.amajoin.com/inthbi To Learn more about the 13 Rebels MC http://www.13rebelsmc.org/ https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle https://www.facebook.com/motorcyclemadhouse Rooster Defense Fund - https://www.gofundme.com/376me-defense-fund Daily Biker News and Happenings http://www.harleyliberty.com
Episode 32- Peter"Pedophile" Fonda Roasted - Harley throwing the white flag against America
Welcome to Episode 32 and the Tuesday edition of Motorcycle Madhouse. I'm James " Hollywood" Macecari and in this first segment we are going to talk about Harley Davidson and it's ongoing issues the company is facing as well as their declining rider loyalty. Peter Fonda. Who stared in the movie Easyrider and someone who is in the Sturgis Hall of Fame recently tweeted out he wants to 'rip Barron Trump from his mother' and put him in a 'cage with pedophiles'. Really? Pedophiles you pos? Any biker who supports anything about you is also a POS. Not only are you a washed up has been no body. But maybe they should throw your ass behind bars for awile and see what some of those inmates think of those pediophiles and their supporters. You want to attack the President go for it. But to go after his kid your no better than your commie damn sister who aided and abeded the viet cong during the vietnam war. Basically hearing from those who actually ride. Your all dried up and finished within the biker community. Go hob nob with all your hollywood cunts. Our community sure the hell don't need you. It's basically like the movie Easyrider never existed. There is no coming back from what you said. Pedophiles? Like the who scene your apart of in Hollywood. Every last one of them. https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle https://www.facebook.com/motorcyclemadhouse
Ep 31 - Wino Willie, Hollister and the beginning of the Wild Image of Bikers
He was a side gunner on a B-24 Liberator in the Pacific Theater on an aircraft named "Pacific Tramp" Fueled with a zest largely unknown outside of WWII combat vets, Wino Willie Forkner and other early members of the Boozefighters Motorcycle Club partied with other clubs and the citizens of Hollister at its famous 1947 Gypsy Tour. Prominent at that party, Wino Willie was used later to teach the cast of "The Wild One", a movie inspired vaguely by that event, how to dress and act as bikers. Although the movie in general did not depict Wino's values, its impact enshrined Hollister as the birthplace of the American biker, and Wino Willie Forkner as its model. As befits a social catalyst, Wino Willie remained unchanged amidst the changes he helped provoke. On May 02, 1996|MICHAEL KRIKORIAN of the LA Times Sat down with Wino WIllie and JD who founded the Legendary Boozefighters M/C. I'll put the article link in the show notes if you want to take a look at it. In the Article Michael was able to capture the true meaning of how everything started out for us bikers. Before there was Sonny and the Hells Angels, before there was Marlon Brando and "The Wild One," there was Wino Willie and J.D. and a South-Central Los Angeles motorcycle club called the Boozefighters. On the Fourth of July, 1947, the Boozefighters invaded the Central California hamlet of Hollister and, as Life magazine memorialized it, took over the town. The incident set off a growing fascination with outlaw bikers, culminating in Brando's legendary "The Wild One" in 1954, with one exchange that still reverberates: "What are you rebelling against, Johnny?" Brando's character was asked. "Whatdaya got?" he snapped. The Day That Kicked Bikers' Wild Image Into High Gear http://articles.latimes.com/1996-05-02/news/mn-65134_1_wild-west For daily biker news head on over to Insane Throttle Biker News http://www.harleyliberty.com If you're an Amazon shopper click our link to go to our Motorcycle Superstore -https://www.amazon.com/shop/insanethrottle If you would like to be a supporter of Motorcycle Madhouse you can do so through our Patreon Account https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle
Ep 30- Zeke with Combat Vets M/C- How to prep your bike for long trip and new song from Scream inc
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we interview Zeke. Korean War Vet and member of the Combat Veterans M/C. We talk Korea and how things have changed in the biker community over the years. Also Doublebarrel and Hollywood talk about what things bikers should look for and do to their motorcycles before a long trip. Why learning basic maintenance is important when owning a motorcycle. Also the Adventures of Butterball premieres today. New character added to Motorcycle Madhouse Radio Skits. Last but not least we showcase Scream Inc and their song Higher and Higher. If you're a band looking to get your music in front of a large audience send an mp3 to info@insanethrottlebikernews.com with subject line - Music Demo Don't for get to go over and like our new Youtube Channel at www.youtube.com/user/topfuelabd Our Twitter feed at www.twitter.com/insanethrottle And for all your daily biker news Insane Throttle is the Place to Be - www.harleyliberty.com
Rooster Katona Former National President of Pagans MC Current Intl Prez of Sutars Soldiers M/C
Welcome to this Tuesday Edition of Motorcycle Madhouse. I'm James Hollywood Macecari and what a show we have for you today. For those seeking true education on the club scene Rooster is the one that can give you the insight. Roosters experience in leading one of the Big 5 motorcycle clubs from the top position gives him the credibility to speak on the subject most do not possess. Rooster has seen the club scene from both sides. Good and Bad. He has known brotherhood in a good light and also a bad light. It's for this reason we are happy to give our listenership the chance to hear advice from a man who most would never get to hear from. It's one thing to be able to bring you interviews with those who have served in chapter or regional positions. But to have the opportunity for a Former National President to interview and give advice is a treat to say the least for our audience. One just has to Google Rooster Katona to know his experience and sacrifices he made. If you would like to ask Rooster 1%er a question you can do so through the web address below Nomad Rooster 1%er https://www.Sutarssoldiersmc.com If you would like to help support Motorcycle Madhouse through monthly contributions you can do so using this link https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle Or one time donation through Paypal Using - topfuelabd@gmail.com For your daily dose of biker news you can go over to Insane Throttle Biker News at http://www.harleyliberty.com
Podcast- Today Big Caz 1%er drops by - Director of "Life of a 1%er Biker" plus more interviews
Today on the Madhouse. Big Caz 1%er Ventura California President of the Chosen Few and actor, director stops by to talk about his new movie coming out in August on Netflix and Amazon "Life of a 1%er Biker." Also dropping by we have a member of a motorcycle club in Kentucky who was a Navy Veteran. We talk Police Profiling Finally we have JD "New York" talking about the state of motorcycle club scene, biker profiling and a whole lot more. Trailer can be seen for "Life of a 1%er Biker" can be seen at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CDixY-3Uv4 If you would like to donate to Insane Throttles mission of bringing you great biker content you can do so by becoming a monthly patreon at https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle One Time Donations- Paypal using topfuel@gmail.com Don't forget to get your daily news at http://www.harleyliberty.com
Podcast- Today we talk Independent Repair Shops and Harley-Davidson
Welcome to this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse and our first Tuesday Show. Yep. Motorcycle Madhouse is now twice a week. Tuesday and Thursdays at 1pmcst and starting soon "LIVE" over on Insane Throttles Youtube Channel. So let's jump into it. America is in a pivotal point in history right now. A point in our history where we can finally take back this country for the working man. Right now we have a President in the White House who cares deeply about this country and putting it first. Regardless what the so-called pundits like spewing. We have a President who is not bashful about putting America First. Especially when it comes to trade and strength. Right now President Trump is in the midst of renegotiating NAFTA. For those young ones who do not know what NAFTA is. NAFTA was the nail in the coffin to many industries. Steel, Coal, Automotive, Textile and the list goes on. Many of these industries employed Union Workers. Many of which jetted to third world countries as soon as that ass-monkey of an agreement was agreed upon. I want to thank you for listening in on Motorcycle Madhouse first Tuesday Show. Thank you to all our Partrons that made it possible through through their monthly contributions. For only $1 a month you can help Motorcycle Madhouse achieve it's goal of going Mon-Friday an hour each day and expand our programming offerings. https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle
Podcast- Brothers in Chains M/C, Interviews with War Vet and Chitown vs NY hard hitting episode
This is one of the most intense episodes of Motorcycle Madhouse. This episode will explore the problems not only in the biker community but also our country as a whole. If you're a snowflake or someone who's feelings get hurt easy than you might want to skip this episode. Motorcycle Madhouse will not disappoint with it's popular comedy skits. On this show we will push it to the limits. Points will be made and protests will ensue. It's time to take the lid off the Madhouse and Crack the Throttle full bore. Have you had enough of the political correct atmosphere in the biker scene and this country? Todays episode is one that will step over red lines and push it to the extreme. If you would like to contribute to the mission of Insane Throttle-Motorcycle Madhouse you can do so through out Patreon Account https://www.patreon.com/insanethrottle For as low as $1.00 a month for Insane Throttle and $3.00 a month for America The Brave. You can become a monthly Patreon. Your contributions go toward keeping the programs going. Production, Editing, Travel and more are covered by the contributions of our supporters. So basically for a cup of coffee each month you're helping keep the content going. Brothers in Chains Motorcycle Club - http://brothersinchains.webs.com/
Podcast- Today on Motorcycle Madhouse we have some great guest we are interviewing as well as dipping into some news happening right now.
On this weeks episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we have 3 great interviews discussing a wide range of issues in the biker community. We have a sassy old school lady on talking about womens involvement in the biker scene as well as a very special ride being set up for a biker in need. Also We have on Deadman from Deadmans Internet Radio who is just getting up and starting out. Also some quick news happening around the country.
What has happened to Harley Davidson, 3 year Anniversary of Waco Twin Peaks and changes coming to the throttle
What has happened to Harley Davidson? Stories coming out recently the company no longer wants to allow reporters into the shareholders meetings. What does Harley Davidson have to hide other than their sales numbers have hit rock bottom. YOU KNOW WHY NUMBERS ARE HITTING ROCK BOTTOM HARLEY? A person has to take out a second mortgage to buy your product. You got away from your core base of customers. Now before all you go around and bitch and complain that Harleys core base is 70 year old men with one foot in the grave. Thats not what I'm talking about. Harley Davidsons core base was always blue collar workers. You know, the ones that are the steel workers, coal miners, factory workers and so on. People who go to work everyday , pay their bills and then want to go out and enjoy a ride in the wind. Bikers in limbo In the last three years, the 192 bikers arrested in the Twin Peaks shootout have lived under a cloud. Some have languished in jail, lost jobs, lost vehicles or lost spouses. In some cases, ex-wives used their arrests to seek modifications in child custody or visitation orders. Most were under strict bond conditions that restricted their travel and freedom to associate with their friends.
Podcast - Special Guests Wicked Bitch, AOA Support Club Iron Breed, Motorcycle Profiling
On this weeks Motorcycle Madhouse we have the one and only Wicked Bitch, AOA Support Club Iron Breed to talk about the profiling they are facing in Cudahy Wisconsin. We also have Mike who will come on and talk to us about what cops learn about bikers and motorcycle clubs in the academy. Finally we have Doublebarrel on to talk about Ryan Urlachers half hearted attempt to interview Ray Lubeski from Iron Legacy. We also have some secret recorded phone calls sent into us by our followers . You don't want to miss this madhouse. Going to be a blast.
Motorcycle Club and Biker Profiling Questions and Answers sessions with Hollywood
On todays Madhouse we are going to talk to Ryan. Ryan was a biker featured on the new show LIVE PD. During the show Ryan had a medical emergency. The police right away persumed it was a drug overdose. Turns out it was a seizure. So much for getting the facts. We also discuss Popeyes Idea from Texas Biker Radio on making May 17th, the Anniversay of the Waco Twin Peaks Incident National Day against Biker Profiling Hollywood takes some questions from the audience as well To Submit your Biker Story , News lead, Bitch us out, or even give us a compliment on a story :Call the Insane Throttle News Hotline 847-957-1656 or Email it to Insane Throttle Biker News info@insanethrottlebikernews.com
On Todays Madhouse we Talk about the Pike & Portillo Trial as well as Gun Control Issues
On Today's Show Hollywood Talks about The Pike and Portillo Trial. Prosecutors just rested their case and now it's time for Pike and Portillo to present their case. We also talk about and directly to the Ugly Man Cossacks. Specifically Zeke the National President of Cossacks M/C. Also up in the second segment is Gun Control, New Phone Scam and we also get Lollipops reply to Insane Throttles secretly recorded tape of him and law abiding biker after their interview.
Casie "The Pitbull" Gotro Attorney for Bandido Jake Carrizal Stops by the Madhouse. Also on the Madhouse Electric Bikes
On this weeks episode of Motorcycle Madhouse. Casie "The Pitbull" Gotro High Powered attorney for Bandido Jake Carrizal who's trial in the Waco Twin Peaks Incident ended in a mistrial. We talk all subjects Waco and where Casie thinks the situation will go forward since Abel Reyna now has lost office Double Barrel and Hollywood Talk about the recent introduction of Electric Motorcycles. In Particular the Zero S/SR and how Harley Davidsons "Live Wire' Matches up. Don't forget to go over to our New Youtube Channel and Subscribe at http://www.youtube.com/c/insanethrottle We also have our brand new interactive website up over at www.insanethrottlebikernews.com . Head over and check it out and let us know what you think.
Alliance of Law Abiding Clubs and Mouth Piece Ryan Urlacher- Do they Represent you?
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse we will be taking on the subject of Alliance of Law Abiding Clubs and Ryan Urlacher of Law Abiding Biker. The Alliance of Law Abiding Clubs is a predominent LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) based organization that has been going out there on the streets putting people in harms way. They have continually stated that anyone that doesn't agree with their positions they are criminal organizations. This so called Alliance has used Ryan Urlacher from Law Abiding Biker to push this propaganda through his podcasts, videos and website. Today, Motorcycle Madhouse pushes back on both and offers up the hypocrisy that these two organizations are. We also take on Ryan Urlachers first part of his interview with Ray "lollipop" Lubeski. Disgraced ex IP of the Iron Order Motorcycle Club and current president of the pop-up club Iron Legacy. In the first part of the interview Ryan Urlacher claims Lollipop has did nothing worng . Even though there is ample evidence through Lollipops own email correspondence threats of violence against other clubs and civilians. As well as his part in 10 shootings involving the Iron Order M/C while he was IP until thrown out in bad standing. Buckle up cause this will be an hour long episode taking on what many consider to be the scurge on the motorcycle club community. Don't forget to go over and subscribe to Insane Throttles New Youtube Channel at www.youtube.com/c/insanethrottle Our New Website is up http://www.insanethrottlebikernews.com
Popeye and OG From Texas Biker Radio stop by the Madhouse to talk "The Waco Twin Peaks Shooting"
On this episode of Motorcycle Madhouse. We are joined by Popeye and OG from Texas Biker Radio. We talk on a range of subjects about what happened in Waco Texas at the Twin Peaks Restaurant where members of the Bandidos M/C and Cossacks M/C became involved in a fight that left 9 people dead and over 177 arrested. We will talk about some of the injustices that went down that day on the part of the police department as well as the corruption of District Attorney Able Reyna. The corruption that eventually led to his ouster in his primary by 20 points. Led by the Texas Biker Radio, Numerous Biker Rights organizations as well as Social Media. You will also learn of Big Petes Ideas regarding a true Confederation that will fight on behalf of all bikers. This is a very informative episode on the whole Twin Peaks debacle so buckle up for the ride. We also have a new phone scam for ya all and information on my new podcast coming out. America in Crisis .
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A New Game Plus
Memories and Musings
Gaming Memories: Saving Up for Super Mario RPG
It’s the beginning of fall, 1995. I’m twelve. My lifelong love of video games will increase exponentially in a couple of months, when I receive Chrono Trigger for my thirteenth birthday, but before then I am quietly becoming obsessed with a game called Super Mario RPG, for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System.
It didn’t yet have it’s subtitle, Legend of the Seven Stars, and I didn’t know much about it outside of what Nintendo Power had teased in recent issues. But I loved Nintendo and Mario games, and this one seemed more mature than Super Mario World. I had no money for games, though, and I couldn’t get the game for either my birthday or Christmas. Nintendo Power originally had it listed as a winter release on their release forecast, and at some point I’d read that it had an official release date in March of 1996. On New Year’s Eve I made a resolution to save up enough money to buy the game on my own. I’d never had very much luck with saving money for anything. Prior to this, after collecting a tidy sum of wrinkled dollars and loose change, I would inevitably succumb to the impure and ancient urges of middle school boys everywhere: Flamin’ Hot Cheetos and Sprite. You might be surprised by how much junk food you could buy for $5 in the mid-90s.
But this time was different, I told myself. This was not some dumb pair of shoes that I wanted so that I could fit in at school, or a cheap toy that I’d eventually break or get tired of. This was a video game. A treasured, revered piece of technology that was worth far more than the plastic and metal that housed it. And I wouldn’t have to beg for it, hope that my begging worked, and then wait weeks or months for a birthday or Christmas. If I could save up the money I’d need, I could buy it on day one and have it to play all spring and into summer. The thought of it made me very serious about saving up the money, and I felt that it was something I should be able to do as a newly minted teenager. I had three months from New Year’s Eve to save up $50 plus $5 for sales tax. Let’s do this, I might have thought, if I was thirteen in 2015. But it was 1995 so I probably thought something like Totally tubular, dude, let’s do this, cowabunga, or something dumb like that.
I was off to a good start, considering I had a fresh, crisp five dollar bill, a Christmas gift from a relative. Where would I keep this glorious stockpile of cash, though? I knew it would grow to be a big pile of coins and small bills, and I didn’t have a wallet (too young) or a piggy bank (too old). Well, like any self-respecting kid in 1994/95, I was obsessed with Jurassic Park. I saw the movie seven times in the theater that year, and I had as many toys as I could convince my parents to buy me. One of these was a velociraptor egg with baby raptor inside. A part of the egg could snap on and off, allowing you to vaguely simulate that scene in the movie where a baby raptor is born in front of our very eyes. More importantly, I could toss the baby raptor in a corner and fill the egg with my sweet, sweet stash.
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And so I did. For weeks, I did favors for family members for a few bucks whenever I could (we didn’t really get allowance money for chores or anything), I literally pulled apart our couch looking for stray silver change, and when I wasn’t hungry at school I’d save the three quarters I was given for a school lunch and toss them in my velociraptor egg. It was tempting to spend it all on Ring Pops and Fun Dip at first, but after a few weeks I was proud of the small fortune I’d saved (probably about $15) and became more determined than ever to see this through and get the game.
My obsession heated up, too, because I knew I was going to get it and was more determined than ever to love it. Nintendo Power had gone quiet about it. It was there, on their release forecast every month, but there was no new news or previews to satiate my hunger for the game. I imagined how it might play. Like Chrono Trigger, maybe, but with Mario. Would we learn more about Mario characters like Princess Toadstool and Luigi? Who were some of the other odd characters in the screenshots? I waited, and I dreamed, and I saved up dimes and dollars.
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As unbelievable as cloning dinosaurs for a theme park might be, I might not have believed I’d be capable of saving up enough for a brand new video game at the age of thirteen. But like John Hammond, somehow I pulled it off. By the beginning of March I’d saved up almost $60. Half of it was loose change, but my mom agreed to buy it from me so I wouldn’t have to embarrass myself at the local Toys “R” Us by dumping a velociraptor’s egg worth of change onto the counter for payment. I counted the money again and again, making sure I had enough, and calculating for unforeseen emergencies like a sudden increase in sales tax. But everything was right and I was ready. I brought my not-so-fresh stack of wrinkled bills to Toys “R” Us and, not seeing a hanging tag for the game on their wall-o-games, proceeded to the video game area to ask if they had that hip new game called Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars in stock so I could purchase it with my very hard-earned money. “Uh, what game,” a young female cashier asked. I repeated myself. “Hold on a sec,” the girl said, and disappeared into the cavernous backroom (you bought games and electronics from a separate area than the registers, with a little window that opened to a stock area). She came back after a minute or two and said they didn’t have it. Can I pre-order it, like other games? “If you could, there would be a tag for it on the wall. Did you see one?” Uh, no. “Sorry. I don’t know when we’ll get it, then.” On the car ride home, I was confused but not dejected. I mean, I had saved up this long, and maybe it was just a week or two from release. I could sit on this egg for a little longer. It would all be more than worth it. But soon after this failure, I received this in the mail:
When I first saw the cover my pulse quickened. It was as if Nintendo had heard my nerdy prayers and sent its printed messenger to soothe my nerves. Except, well, for one little word.
But, how? The game was supposed to be released this month! Previews were normally printed two or three months before a game came out! This should be a review! Wait, maybe that was it. Maybe this was a review, but the cover was a mistake. I quickly flipped to the feature and-
No. How could this be? What astronomical alignment had cursed me with such a fate? May? That was two whole months away. That was almost as long as it had taken for me to sacrifice every shred of dignity and self-restraint I had to scrape together the money for this game. Do you know how many Flamin’ Hot Cheetos I could have eaten? How much Sprite I could have guzzled down? I could live in a castle made of the Laffy Taffy wrappers I could have gone through with all of that money. Two months. Now, at the ripe old age of too-damn-old, two months is nothing. I forget and remember people’s names in the span of two months. I might buy four or five games in that span. But at the age of thirteen, two months is an epic, stretching eternity. Two months is 1/78 of a thirteen year-old’s whole life. Two months would be 1.3% of my whole life that I’d already lived up to that point. At my age now, it would .5%. Do you see the difference? Two months might as well have been two forevers. I had a stupid egg filled with stupid, useless money that took way too long to save up.
So I bought a Dennis Rodman jersey with it, and used the rest on Flamin’ Hot Cheetos and Sprite. Yep. Not worth it.
Author Joey CrundwellPosted on September 6, 2017 September 6, 2017 Tags Gaming memories, Nintendo, Super Mario RPG
8 thoughts on “Gaming Memories: Saving Up for Super Mario RPG”
Imtiaz Ahmed says:
haha pretty funny story, enjoyed reading this. Kind of a bummer of an ending that you didn’t get the game. Did you eventually get it in May?
Joey Crundwell says:
I did not! I shifted my focus to the N64, which came out just a few months after Super Mario RPG. I figured by that point that if I could just save up some money I could convince my parents to go half and half with me on the new system, which they did. So it all worked out! Kind of. But not really, heh.
kieranstark says:
By the way, Paper Mario is top-notch in every way, even by Mario RPG standards. The Thousand Year Door and Super Paper Mario are also very strong, but the rest of the Paper Mario games range from below-average to insufferably weak.
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Yo, Joey! What do you think of Super Mario RPG? Is it as epic as you remember????
I think it holds up in some ways, but there are a couple of things that really show its age. The quirky sense of humor that makes its way into the Paper Mario games is here, maybe not quite as front-and-center, but it’s still pretty fun. The platforming doesn’t hold up, though it wasn’t really great at the time, and the rendered graphics are technically impressive for the time but look pretty ugly today. I still love it, though.
The graphics in general still hold up to this day.
Maybe that’s just me being the retro fan I am, but it’s more objective that the game itself holds up by post-2010s standards.
I believe that regardless of the time, Super Mario RPG actually has gorgeous visuals in general. Also, I actually would have a crap load of fun with SMRPG including its platforming segments when I play and review it. So yeah, I feel like Super Mario RPG holds up in almost every way regardless of the time!! So I might at the very least give it an 8/10.
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Some people put their full faith in American vaccines. They get every vaccine they’re told to get by doctors and the CDC. If there’s a scary outbreak on TV, they’ll run to the first 24-hour clinic or their pediatrician and get the booster jab for that infectious disease or new influenza combination of strains. Until… until… you say something that peaks their interest, and they want to hear why the hell there’s some crazy sounding toxin in their vaccine. That’s when they stop and listen to what you have to say, or to what you read, or what’s been “peer reviewed.”
Then along comes animal urine being utilized in the “chicken pox” vaccine and chemical-medicine advocates or “vaxxers” start wondering how that could be good for you and safe, or even effective, for that matter. Well, get ready.
Humans develop health problems just from animal urine in carpet, so imagine having urea injected into your blood and muscle tissue
People with asthma and allergies are susceptible to dangerous flareups when they are in a home where there’s a concentration of cat or dog urine in the rug. An allergic reaction can immediately produce hives on the body and cause difficulty breathing, thanks to the build up of ammonia. This can lead to panic attacks, anxiety, anaphylactic shock, coma and even death.
Now imagine having that urine injected into your muscle tissue along with some MRC-5 human diploid cells as DNA protein from a human abortion, hydrolyzed gelatin, sodium chloride, monosodium L-glutamate, neomycin, aluminum salts, and of course some bovine calf serum.
Serious side effects and adverse reactions happen from getting the Chicken Pox vaccine. Do you know what they are? The vaccine itself can cause pneumonia, infection of the brain and/or spinal cord covering, and seizures associated with fever. For kids who already got too many vaccines and therefore already have a severely compromised immune system, the so-called “safe and effective” Chicken Pox vaccine can cause a life-threatening infection, so there’s that. Parents be warned.
It’s similar to the stories you hear of all those girls getting the deadly concoction called the Human Papilloma Virus immunization, a.k.a. the insidious “HPV vaccine” – when they’re just nine years old (supposedly to protect them from anal sex STDs and heroin addicts with Hep B and AIDS), and then going into convulsions, seizures, shock and comas.
On the other hand, let’s take a big picture look at the deaths from Chicken Pox, which are only 1 in every 60,000. And about 3,700 women die each year from cervical cancer (but most just beat HPV in 2 years or so naturally, by the way). Yet how many women, men, children, babies and unborn babies die from vaccine toxins? How many have autism? How many people die from total vaccine toxins from getting 60 vaccines before age six? Check the PharmaDeathClock for all those horrid factoids.
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Oh, but somehow, just three years later, they invented the so-called Measles vaccine and voila! America was cured. It’s all a hoax. Don’t get injected with toxins in the name of another hoax called “herd immunity.” It’s just a big sale on dirty vaccines here in America, and the mass media backs it 100 percent of the time.
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Most students agree that the end of the semester can be a stressful time of year. In addition to dealing with final exams, students find themselves working on group projects and other competing assignments. Having the right strategy is the key to a more successful, less stressful finals season.
Ryan from Durango, Colorado, says the biggest part of bouncing between assignments is being able to make a schedule and stick to it. By planning out his time early on, he’s able to mentally prepare himself. “I tackle one step at a time,” he says. Forty-seven percent of students we surveyed say they create a to-do list, while nearly sixty percent say they mark important deadlines and study sessions on a calendar. Setting aside time and tackling each task step-by-step can reduce biting off more than you can chew and provide you with a sense of control over your responsibilities.
Having an organized plan for when you’ll study is much more helpful than cramming, says Dr. Doris Bergen, distinguished professor of educational psychology emerita at Miami University. “[Your performance will be] at its peak when you study more often over the course of a period,” says Dr. Bergen.
Focus on your goals for that moment, suggests MacKenzie Lorenzato, a former peer tutor at San Jose State University in California. “Prioritize in a way that is actually functional; if it’s not going to work for your schedule or your personality, then it’s not going to work, period,” she says.
To keep material fresh, you can “have 10-minute review sessions every day,” Lorenzato says. “If you review the information 10 minutes a day for most days that week, you will have a better chance of remembering that information than if you only look at it the days you have class.”
For many students, repetition increases retention. Going over material multiple times, in bite-size pieces, can be more effective than trying to absorb everything all at once. Some find that reviewing information in various settings (such as while waiting in line, on the bus, and in a study space) helps solidify the concepts.
For papers, Lorenzato encourages students to break down the process. She recommends spending time every day on a piece of the paper. “Set aside the first day to brainstorm, the second day to write a solid thesis, the third day to outline your paper, and the fourth day to write it,” she says, explaining that work is less overwhelming when spread out.
“If I have a general idea of what to write about, but I can’t think of a good introduction, I start from the middle, free-write, and work backward to polish up a final product,” says Re-I, a student in St. Louis, Missouri.
Remembering information can be difficult around finals, especially when juggling multiple projects. Bergen suggests finding a way to see how the material connects to your future goals. “Make it a meaningful framework, and you’ll retain the information in the long run,” she says.
This strategy helped Heather, from Manchester, New Hampshire, in one of her hardest classes: statistics. “I had a teacher who put it into a social science perspective for me and helped me understand why I need this [information] and how I’m going to use it,” she says.
Lorenzato recommends using the “SQ4R” method: Survey, Question, Read, Recite, Write, Review. This process turns passive reading and studying into an active exercise in which you translate information into concepts you understand and remember. “The more students engage in their reading, the better they do,” says Lorenzato.
A breakdown of SQ4R
“SQ4R” is a method for studying. The idea is to translate information into concepts you understand and will remember. Here are the steps:
Survey: Get an overview of the material. For example, read the title, subheadings, and—if it’s a textbook—the questions at the end of the chapter.
Question: As you survey the information, think of the subheadings and objectives as questions. You can rephrase them in your head or on paper if that helps.
Read: Be selective about what you read and create meaningful associations between different sections of the content.
Recite: Put the ideas into your own words. (Doing this with a tutor, classmate, or teacher can confirm that you’re on the mark.)
Write: Make connections or maps of interconnected ideas and trim down the information. Large concepts are much easier to remember than facts alone.
Review: Go over the information in a way that helps you remember it. Some students use flash cards or cut information into smaller, digestible bits and review them frequently.
“The more students engage in their reading, the better they do,” says Lorenzato. Getting together and discussing material with people from your courses can help in this process.
Figure out what parts of a project make you nervous. If the idea of working in groups stresses you out, Lorenzato recommends making sure “everyone is clear on the expectations” at the beginning, and Bergen suggests laying out both group and individual responsibilities. Listing these early on will help avoid disagreements and also help you focus your energy exactly where it’s needed.
Also, schedule time for relaxation. This might seem counterintuitive (“I should spend every waking moment studying”), but stress builds up, and you need to let some of it go.
Lorenzato reminds students not to schedule every hour of every day and to get enough sleep. Setting a specific time for relaxing may help so you don’t skip it or take a break that turns into hours of lost time.
“It’s easy to get caught up in the hype of finals, but it’s not the end of the world,” says Peter, a student in Washington, DC.
The key to effective studying is to take charge and focus on what you want and need to learn. The more engaged you are in the process, the more success you’ll have when it comes time to demonstrate your knowledge.
Here are more tips for prepping for tests
Monitor your own learning. If you’re struggling with something, talk to your teacher or a classmate to get help.
Go over material many times, in bite-size pieces. This can be more useful than trying to learn everything at once.
Organize your time and assignments using a calendar and other systems that work for you.
Give yourself extra time. Start studying two or three weeks before a test.
Find what works for you. Some students like to spread work over several days or a whole semester, while others need to build on information as soon as they’ve learned it.
Chat about what you’re learning. Translating information into your own words and sharing it with others will help you remember it.
Find two or three people and form a study group. You can help each other stay motivated and on task.
Use your school’s resources. Teachers, peer tutors, librarians, and the counseling center can all support you and help with stress management, too.
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It has been apparent since Mr. Trump took office that he feels he has the power to do anything he wants even if his actions are a huge overreach for the role of a sitting president.
On Monday, Trump announced that he has the power to fire Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell although he seems to have no intentions of doing so.
Powell has said that he is entitled to serve a four-year term that ends in 2022, but Trump in an interview with The Hill, said he is “incorrect.” When Trump was asked about whether he felt he had the power to remove Powell, he responded with:
‘If I wanted to, but I have no plans to do anything.’
According to The Hill:
‘Experts have questioned that assertion.
‘The president has been fiercely critical of Powell’s stewardship of the central bank, accusing it of hindering economic growth through rate hikes. His constant critiques have roiled observers of the Fed, which is meant to be nonpartisan.’
Powell took over as chairman in 2018 after being nominated by Trump. Since 2015, the Federal Reserve has hiked interest rates nine times including four times under Powell.
Trump said:
‘You have to understand we’re competing against other parts of the world and they’re manipulators. They manipulate their currency. And I don’t want to do that, but I want to be treated fairly. And we have to be given a level playing field.’
Trump continued to repeat his claim that if Powell would not have raised rates or used quantitative tightening, the gross domestic product and stock market would be exceeding their numbers.
Trump said he did not feel Powell was sabotaging him. He said:
‘I don’t think he knows. I don’t think he understands. He doesn’t get it.’
According to MSN News:
‘While the president can appoint its chair and fill open seats on the board with governors serving 14-year terms, the Federal Reserve doesn’t need approval from the White House or Congress to raise or lower rates. Even its budget remains independent, with operations paid for through fees and income generated from the securities it owns.’
Firing a federal reserve chairman is feasible under certain circumstances but virtually unheard of. The last president to strongly clash with a chairman was Lyndon B. Johnson, but William McChesney Martin did not resign.
In an interview with ABC News, Trump said:
‘We have great numbers. The companies are very strong. They’ve very liquid. Frankly, if we had a different person in the Federal Reserve that wouldn’t have raised interest rates so much, we would have been at least a point and a half higher. I mean -‘
According to MSN:
‘In his interview, Trump said he was “allowed” to criticize Powell and claimed it was commonplace in the “old days” for a president to “settle” with the bank’s chairman.’
During that ABC interview, George Stephanopoulos did point out to Mr. Trump that Powell wouldn’t be in his position if it weren’t for him. Trump admitted:
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The Battle of Dazar’alor has arrived, and the raiding has begun in earnest. I’ll admit it, sometimes I really miss raiding. There’s something innately satisfying and fun about tackling a complicated raid boss as a team and unraveling the puzzle of how to take it down. The same could be said about dungeons, too – yes, it’s on a smaller scale, but on higher difficulty levels, those little dungeon bosses can be a really tough challenge.
Beyond that, there was a sense of camaraderie in every raid guild I was in. I have tons of memories of particularly hysterical boss pulls, in-jokes from former guildmates, and pranks and hijinks pulled on unsuspecting afk pals. It’s only natural when you spend so much time together, and hey – you need something to do between pulls, you know?
I haven’t raided seriously since Mists of Pandaria. Oh, I still raid, but it’s just via LFR. I get the experience of the raid, but I find myself missing that connection I had when I was part of a dedicated group. And the same goes for dungeons – if I want to do a dungeon, I go to the group finder and wait until I’m plopped in a group of strangers. We might crack a few jokes, but most of the time it’s dead silence and down to business to get through the run as quickly as possible and then we’re out, never to see each other again.
It seems a little strange, when I think about it. I mean you have a couple of tools meant to bring people together, yet it’s rare that any of these people pipe up and say anything in chat. It feels like people aren’t really there to connect or have fun, they’re just there to kill the thing as mechanically and efficiently as possible without saying a word. To be honest, it mostly makes me avoid group content unless absolutely necessary. There are still dungeons in Battle for Azeroth I haven’t completed.
That may just be me, though – I’ve been guildless for quite some time now, and my perception of group content is based on a lot of fond, old memories of how things used to be. Maybe it’s just nostalgia on my part, but to me, it feels like the Group Finder and LFR, while incredibly useful, kind of stripped that sense of camaraderie right out of group content.
I’m curious how you guys feel about group content, though. Are you part of a raiding, PVP, or dungeon-running guild? Do you enjoy doing group content – is it something you look forward to tackling? Do you think tools like the group finder and LFR are useful ways to complete content? Are you one of those people that pipes up in random groups, or do you prefer to stay silent? And how do you feel about chatty groups when it comes to the group finder or LFR?
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A blog post written by David Fleming, principal at PACE Communications Group, a marketing and branding company that focuses on the commercial real estate industry, was covered in the New England Real Estate Journal recently listing CompStak as notable CRE technology to hit Boston in the coming months. Thanks for the shout out, David!
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Question of the Month: What new commercial real estate technologies are entering the Boston market?
[caption id="" align="alignleft" width="180"] David Fleming, PACE Communications Group[/caption]
Just as you've mastered LoopNet and figured out how to keep your CoStar listings up-to-date (sort of), three new commercial real estate technologies are either here or coming soon to the Boston market. CRE technology companies ViewTheSpace, Compstak, and TheSquareFoot were part of a recent panel event called "Real Disruption" hosted by the MIT Alumni Association of the Center for Real Estate. View The Space launched in Boston last year and the others coming here soon. Here's an overview of each:
View The Space: Motion Picture-Quality Video Tours
View The Space produces motion picture-quality video tours of commercial spaces to help some of the world's largest owners and brokerage firms lease space. Landlords such as Prudential and Equity Office Properties use View The Space to highlight availability and engage tenants. Beyond video, View The Space streamlines the entire leasing process by tracking analytics across live, active deal flow.
View The Space has "created a style of shooting video for office space that's really never existed. Ours is the closest thing to actually being there, where you fly through the space and you actually feel like you're in it. You just can't touch the walls," said Nick Romito, founder and CEO of ViewTheSpace recently told The New York Times.
"On the landlord side, we allow you to track how a person is interacting with the tour. So you get to see 1) the prospect who's looking at it; 2) how many times they've watched it; and 3) how engaged are they with it. You'll actually be able to tell whether a specific firm has taken the tour 10 times - that's a very, very high level of engagement - and they're a serious prospect so I'm going to follow up with them."
View The Space, which recently closed $7 million in A round financing, is currently in 18 markets and plans expand into the top twenty markets by the end of 2014.
CompStak: Crowdsourced Lease Comps Michael Mandel, Compstak co-founder and CEO, realized that residential real estate websites have long gathered home sales comps from public records. But, because commercial real estate deals are primarily transacted through leases, there's been no public record for lease comps. Until Mandel founded Compstak, that is. Compstak is a crowdsourced database of commercial lease comps used by brokers, appraisers, and researchers. Through a subscription access, brokers submit the comps they have in hand in return for Compstak points, which can be used to view the comps they need. Owners who want to price their space and evaluate investment opportunities also use Compstak. For instance, landlords may find that pricing their space can be a challenge; asking rents are easy to obtain, but taking rents can be difficult to get a handle on. Using Compstak, landlords can search by neighborhood or by using a mapping tool to draw the area in which they're interested. To narrow results, they can search by s/f and by floor. For instance, one might want to search for 7,500 to 15,000 s/f on floors 25 and above. Search results include starting rent, average rent, concessions, and terms. Compstak also lets you see the brokers that performed the transaction and any notes related to the deal. Finally, data can be exported to Excel for an analyst team to review. Compstak is currently most active in New York City, but plans to expand soon to major markets such as Boston by the end of 2014.
TheSquareFoot: Helping Businesses Find Space
TheSquareFoot co-founder and CEO, Jonathan Wasserstrum, told the "Real Disruption" audience that he came up with the idea for TheSquareFoot after listening to a friend's experience. Wasserstrum's friend had relocated to a new city and had absolutely no problem finding a place to live. But, finding office space was an entirely different story. There was no place online for businesses looking to relocate, expand, or open a new location.
With that experience in mind, Wassterstrum launched TheSquareFoot, which offers interactive online search and concierge services to businesses searching for space. Through its integrated platform, tenants are able to more simply manage the search process while landlords and brokers can better market and manage their properties online.
TheSquareFoot allows you to search by market, drill into individual listings for pricing, photos, and leasing contacts. In addition, you can view a property's WalkScore, which measures walkability on a scale from 0-100 based on walking routes to destinations such as parks, restaurants, and retail. Further, TheSquareFoot offers concierge services by partnering with office furniture and décor companies as well as marketing, cleaning, and telecommunications firms to help make the tenant's overall move in process that much easier.
Expect to see TheSquareFoot expand to Boston in 2015.
David Fleming is a principal at PACE Communications Group, Boston, Mass.
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We’re gonna need a bigger Process.
Jeez, four games into the season, and I’m already typing one of those existentialist posts about Georgia football that I loathe. Not a good look, Dawgs.
I’m sure there is a temptation on the part of some who thought a coaching change was unnecessary to point to yesterday’s crushing loss as a certain form of vindication. Since I was a Richt agnostic by last season, while I can understand the sentiment, I can’t say I share it.
And I’m not gonna even touch this one:
Four games into the season and I'm seeing some fans ready to fire Kirby Smart
— Anthony Dasher (@AnthonyDasher1) September 25, 2016
The problem with jumping to conclusions after four games is that you’re relying on a small sample size to justify a big picture argument. Even so, I do think there are certain takes that are justified early on.
This team has some serious structural flaws in personnel. Georgia doesn’t appear to have an offensive tackle. It certainly doesn’t have a reliable place kicker. (Auburn got a school record six field goals in its win yesterday; it’s legitimate to question whether Georgia will exceed six field goals for the entirety of the 2016 season.) It’s starting a true freshman quarterback who’s never played in a pro-style offense before this spring. The defensive line is both green and thin. Some of these issues will likely be addressed through more experience, but some don’t stand a chance of being fixed this year.
Jacob Eason isn’t the only rookie in red and black. I don’t know if you heard what Greg McElroy said during the broadcast, but it really stuck with me. Basically, he noted that he came out of a similar high school shotgun passing attack as Eason did, but whereas he got to learn the ropes on Alabama’s scout team for a season, Eason is getting his baptism by fire in live SEC play. That’s understandably rough. The same thing, relatively speaking, can be said about his head coach. Smart may be a Saban clone — at least that’s what we’re hoping — but he doesn’t have Saban’s history. Saban was a head coach at three other college programs and on the NFL level before taking the Alabama job. By the time he got there, he’d had plenty of time to learn what did and didn’t work running a program. Georgia, on the other hand, is OJT for Smart. Once again, we’re seeing that working for a great head coach and being a great head coach aren’t the same thing.
The team hasn’t bought into Smart’s vision for the program. Small sample size arguments can cut both ways and, like it or not, it’s noteworthy that in four games, Georgia hasn’t shown up to play in half of them. Yes, it’s true that Mark Richt had his share of humiliating losses. So that’s nothing new… except that Richt had a few years under his belt before we started seeing those. You want an even nastier comparison? Kirby Smart’s fourth game was a 31-point loss to a conference opponent that for a while was on pace to be an epic disaster for the program. Richt’s fourth game led to Munson’s Hobnail Boot call. Sure, it’s not like Georgia didn’t lose a few more games that year after the Tennessee win, but it was clear that the team had bonded with the coaching staff in a way that made them believe. The mindset of this year’s squad is nowhere in the same vicinity of the 2001 team. The question yet to be determined is when the players will buy in. (Using “if” in that last sentence is too depressing for me to consider.)
At the time of the events leading to Richt’s dismissal and Smart’s hiring, you will recall that my misgivings centered around the athletic administration’s inept track record in hiring/firing. If the stories we heard at the time were true — the fig leaf of hiring a search firm to cover a decision that McGarity had already reached and the panic that hit several big boosters from the news that Smart, one of “our guys”, was speaking with South Carolina about becoming the head coach being just a couple of those — I think my concerns were certainly valid.
I mention this not because I’m seeking my own form of vindication here, but because if Kirby Smart does have a vision in the sense of a concrete plan on how to take the Georgia program to the next level, he’d best realize he’s on his own on implementing it and bringing it to fruition. The people he answers to don’t have a clue. (I’m betting McGarity has begun honing his “remember what Saban’s first season in Tuscaloosa was like” marketing pitch to the fan base and Mark Bradley for next offseason. That should work like a charm.)
I assumed Smart went into this season trying to have his cake and eat it, too, by transitioning the program into his model while remaining competitive enough to be a factor in the divisional race. There’s a very good chance a week from now that approach will have been blown to shreds. Tennessee may or may not be as good a team as Ole Miss, but that won’t matter in the slightest if Georgia doesn’t show up for the game next Saturday.
If that is what happens, that’s when things really start getting interesting around Athens. Kirby may know where he wants to go with Georgia football, but that doesn’t mean he knows the best way to get there, or maybe even any way to get there. Regardless, I expect him to try and stand by his convictions in that regard. Where this all goes in 2016 if his team never buys in to it, for whatever reason, could get pretty ugly. For a lot of reasons, I hope things never reach that point. But I can’t say I’m not a little uneasy this morning in that regard. Piling up bad efforts in a very short time can do that to a person.
UPDATE: I see from some of the comments in response to this post that I’ve created some confusion with regard to the terms “buy in” and “show up”.
Let me just say there’s more than one context for those terms. Sure, both can be taken in a purely psychological sense. But I was also thinking of that post of mine from several years ago about how Georgia’s biggest problem on defense in Martinez’ last year or so was the lack of trust the players had in the coaching staff’s approach to mechanics and game planning, which in turn led the staff to lack trust in the players’ ability to play.
There’s a similarity in my mind between that and Georgia’s 2016 secondary. Smart and Pruitt both come from the Saban coaching tree, but their approaches are different. Pruitt played a lot of zone and dropped the linebackers into coverage a lot to help protect a secondary that had its share of shortcomings on the talent/experience side. Smart is all in with what worked at ‘Bama: much more man coverage and pattern matching. That’s a big change and his defensive backs, based on what we saw yesterday, aren’t even close to being on the same page. Are they buying into what Smart’s preaching? I can’t read their minds. But it was obvious yesterday that they might as well have been invisible on most of Kelly’s touchdown throws, because they offered zero resistance in coverage. In my mind, that meets a definition of not showing up.
I’ll leave it for you to describe the team’s mentality for the Nicholls game.
My apologies for not being clearer with my meanings.
198 responses to “We’re gonna need a bigger Process.”
SouthGaDawg
I went to the UGA/Ole Miss game in 2012 (37-10 and it wasn’t even that close). How did Ole Miss get to where they are now and how did UGA get to where it is now? I was shocked at how UGA was so physically overmatched. Wow…
Because Ole Miss pays their players.
And we don’t have any, paid or otherwise, it would appear.
Dawgs1
Did I see Maurice Smith on a milk carton? Where was he the last 2 games? Witness Protection?
I know our players are getting used to a new staff, new signs, new process, etc., but our secondary looked like they had never covered a receiver before. It looked like they were new to the game of football.
GATA 72
#7 Carter makes Ray Drew look like LT in his NFL prime
How long can we go in this thread before Richt is mentioned (aside from that one)
T-Minus 3…2..
Great post Senator and right on the money. I also wanted B-M to hire an experienced HC with a proven track record of winning. But instead we have Kirby Smart as our HC whether we like it or not. We have no real alternative except to get behind him. He’s going to make mistakes, some we can see and others we can’t see. It is painfully obvious that this team hasn’t bought in to what Smart is selling–yet. Let’s hope they do. Nothing is worse in football than a team foundering on the rocks like a rudderless ship. Things could get really ugly if they don’t.
Saban coached at 10 or more stops as an assistant, including 2x in the pros before he landed as HC for Michigan.
Everybody has that first time shot.
Michigan State when Sparty sucked and was the Wolverines’ whipping boys
Yes. There is that.
He beat a number 3 Michigan abd number 10 Florida his last year as Michigan’s whipping boy. He finished in top 10 and moved to Louisiana.
Absolutely – my point was that Sparty had to go the career assistant route at the time Little Nicky was hired
Ahhhh….fair enough. But the career assistant blossomed. Not as an NFL coach. Are you thinking Smart moves on ….after 3 or 4 years then.
I don’t know. I guess my point is that we weren’t in the situation that Sparty was when they hired Saban. Other than Saban, Corch, Jimbo, Big Game Bob and D’Antonio, we could have had any college head coach we wanted.
I hope Kirby is wildly successful and retires as the winningest coach in Georgia history by wins, winning percentage, and championships.
I whaaaa
Other than Saban, Corch, Jimbo, Big Game Bob and D’Antonio, we could have had any college head coach we wanted.
Name a few.
Herman, possibly Shaw, Strong (although his star has fallen), Petrino(!), among others …
Don’t forget Jason Fuentes who went to VT.
And Bronco Mendenhall who went to Virginia. Even South Carolina hired a HC with prior HCing experience even if Boom’s past experience is questionable at best LOL. I think Jim Mclewain will prove that he’s done more with less in his first two years than Kirby once he makes it thru 2 years and JM inherited a mess at Florida.
All the talk was that Herman pulled his name out at USCe when Richt was relieved of his duties in Athens. If we had conducted a search, names would have lined up for the opportunity to coach at UGA. Everyone says it’s a top 5 or 10 job. Why wasn’t a national search conducted? If Kirby got through that, we would have known we got the best guy.
As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, I want Kirby to be wildly successful because I don’t want to get into the “Hire, Struggle, Fire” cycle we’ve seen elsewhere or that we went through between 1989 and 2001.
Don’t forget that Clay Helton was the interim coach at USC. My point is that virtually every major P5 football power that’s hired a new HC over the past few years hired someone with prior HC experience whether it was at an FCS or FBS school with UGA being a notable exception.
Kirby speaks often on “imposing your will” on an opponent with physical, relentless, tough, knock-you-back play.
This approach can be successfully implemented if you have invested years in recruiting this kind of size and depth into the roster and have developed them with a consistent strength-and-conditioning program.
This program has done none of this, opting instead for smaller, faster athletes who have bounced between several strength-and-conditioning programs. In our league, this is why we are starting over.
Similar to the final five games of last season, we have to adjust our coaching strategy this season to leverage the strengths we have.
In our case, it is a more mobile offensive line, with tough blocking backs and tight ends and a receiving corps with quickness and moves. Playing a speed game, with more sweeps, traps, and counters instead of trying to straight drive-block opponents 30 pounds larger and stronger than us may lead to some success. Running shorter routes with more protection may lead to some success if our line has difficulty handling a straight bull or speed rush one-on one.
Defensively, we cannot feature as our base defense a one-on-one man coverage scheme against larger, stronger receivers if we do not have the size and depth to generate a consistent pass rush.
Finally, this program has long shown that players’ coaches cannot generate the consistent motivation and focus needed to perform at a championship level. At the end of the season, drop the first-name-basis and build into the newcomers the respect and discipline needed to perform at this level.
Your third point is the one that troubles me the most. As I watched that debacle unfold yesterday, any delusions I had that the 4th and 10 touchdown against Mizzou was Kirby’s “hobnail boot” disappeared quickly. That whole game was so discombobulated, with 12 defenders on the field called at least twice, players stating the defense was playing “different coverages”, the lack of fire in the players, dropped passes, missed blocks, etc. that I just felt this isn’t Kirby Smart’s team yet. Will it be? I sure hope so, or else this will be a long painful journey.
As for Eason, I think most of us accepted he would have a game or two (maybe more if he is under siege like that all season) in which he would look like a true freshman. I had anticipated this game as a loss partly for that reason. The Ole Miss defense can play and put pressure on a QB and he had not faced that yet. I think he overall stood in there and took his lumps. I didn’t see too much panic or frustration even when his receivers let him down with dropped touchdown passes. He will grow from this.
Senator, I won’t blame you if you decide to not watch this game a second time and report on further review. I already deleted it from my DVR.
As for Eason, he still looks worlds better than Stafford did as a freshman (until the light bulb went on at halftime of the Auburn game for Staff).
I mean, even after Stafford got the hang of it and beat 3 ranked teams in a row (Auburn, Tech, Virginia), he still finished the year with 7 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. And don’t forget the losses to Vanderbilt and Kentucky.
So, yeah, it could be a lot worse (and still might be–UGA lost to UT and Florida that year as well).
Let the man play, and FFS quit trying to mold him into a pure Pro-Style QB as a freshman and let him operate out of the shotgun more…
I think Chaney and Kirby is trying to fast tract Eason. Unfortunately with a weak OL failure is inevitable. They also tried to balance run and pass which further worsened the games result. I think the team is better served this season to have more pass like the Mizz game and at least have a better chance of winning.
You know, the third point is where I’m at, too. From my perspective, CKS has been dawgrading these players and the program from the moment he set foot on campus. He was also subtly criticizing CMR often, although he never mentioned his name, with comments like “turn a battleship around”.
It’s a poor carpenter who blames his tools. But beyond that, it’s really bad leadership. He’s been defensive and paranoid since he got here, and I don’t think this team is behind him because he’s always bitching about what they’re not.
+100….far different to “lay out your vision for the team” and call out the current players and former staff for everything they’re not
“Yes. Tools matter. Good tools won’t bring you to your optimum peak performance on your own, but bad tools will guarantee you’ll never get there. Bad tools typically take longer to work with, and typically teach bad habits to get around their deficiencies.
Da Vinci with a mop and a bucket of mud may be a better painter than you, but he would never beat Da Vinci with quality tools.”
I like your term ” Richt agnostic”. That’s where I was last year also. I didn’t really like the KS hire mainly because I like an offense guy as HC. In the game today you have to score points in bunches to keep up with teams like Ole Miss no matter how good your defense is. Bama has a great defense but you saw what OM did to them. I wish KS the best but don’t feel real good right now. If we can recruit like Bama we’ll be fine, but that remains to be seen. Also, Saban may have had a poor first year at Bama but IIRC he went into the SECCG ranked #1 his second year. If Smart can do that, I don’t care what happens this year.
You are 100% right about Saban’s first year at Alabama. Plus, he already had a BCS championship under his belt, so everyone knew he could be a winner.
Im tired of hearing there’s no talent.
http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite
I’m not saying that.
But if you insist, perhaps you can tell me who should be starting at left and right offensive tackle. I’m all ears.
Ham and Blankenship?
I kid.
That comment was the only fun I got out of the entire game this week.
You didn’t say that. Everyone else has.
The problem is your number 3.
There is a talent problem, whether anyone wants to admit it or not. And unfortunately, the deficit lies primarily along the line of scrimmage. You’re welcome to point to recruiting rankings all you’d like, but then I’ll just remind you of such 5-star duds as John Theus. Not all 4- and 5-star recruits are really good enough to compete in the SEC. And we’re learning the hard way what that really means.
Thankfully, we’ve finally got an OL coach who knows what the hell he’s doing. But we’re all going to have to be patient while he rebuilds the OL from scratch, trusting that he can tell the difference between a 4-star who looked great at his private school with no competition, and a 4-star who actually has what it takes to block an SEC-caliber DE.
People for some reason think that the recruiting services actually do a thorough evaluation of High School prospects and are actually qualified to do so. Look people, the ratings come after the offers. Part of the reason our recruits are rated as highly as they are is because they were offered by Georgia. The spread of “non-committable” offers has led to even more screwed up rankings.
The recruiting services do not specialize in evaluating recruits; they specialize in getting grown men to pay for information about children.
And yet, recruiting rankings correlate with college success and the pro draft. Curious.
The top programs, to whom they give the best rankings, are also able to recruit the best players. I’m not saying that the information that comes from the recruiting services in worthless. I’m saying that it is only useful in the aggregate. The rating for an individual recruit, though, is almost meaningless.
While I concede that the margin of error increases with smaller sample size, it’s also true that the aggregate is made up of individuals.
Basically, UGA is a team with SEC talent. Yes, there are holes. But this team is talented enough to wax FCS teams and compete with good SEC teams.
Five stars doesn’t mean that a player is what you need. If you think that offensive line is talented then I’ve got some great beachfront property in Valdosta to sell you. Hell our starting tackle is an FCS transfer and most of the rest are either just bad or playing out of position.
As I said in a comment yesterday. Our OL consists of an FCS Left Tackle (i.e. he should be a career backup in the SEC), 3 Guards, and a 3rd string Nose Tackle. Will Friend was a quality coach but a shite recruiter. Rob Sale apparently screwed up any good that Friend had previously done. Sam Pittman has a hell of a job ahead of him.
Also, some freshman need to step up. We need to get Sims and Galliard off of the field. The TEs can help the Tackles on the outside. The Guards are allowing people to come in unblocked as they are not releasing from combo blocks.
SAtownDawg
No, we need to move Galliard to center and get Kubanlow off the field…hard to run up the middle when our center is blown up on a regular basis
Kublanow was the Left Guard for the 2014 team. You know, the one that set the record for most points scored by a UGA offense. He played great. The key is that he was playing LEFT GUARD and not Center. Playing Center is not the same as playing Guard but with snapping duties. Kublanow was great at taking on a 3 technique, helping on a combo for a 1 technique, and pulling as a lead blocker. All things that a Left Guard does. He is not equipped for handling a 1 technique solo. If you read my comment from yesterday, part of our OL problem is that we lack a natural center. If we had one, we could kick Wynn back out to LT, move Catalina to RT, move Kublanow back to LG, and move Pyke back to RG. At that point, our OL problem would only be that we do not have natural Tackles. That is a problem we can fix with TE help. Right now, the only person playing their natural position is Wynn.
We have lots of talent. We have perhaps the most talented freshman QB ever. We have great running backs, plural. We have great TEs, very good LBs, some really good DLs, and a decent – sometimes very good -secondary. The OL has some pieces but as a group, it’s a weak link. We may have some big recruits on the OL, but if there’s anything more dangerous than a freshman QB, it’s a freshman OL. So when Sam and Kirby say they are playing the best, they probably are. We also have glaring deficiencies at receiver. And the kicking game is a mess. I saw a bit recently showing that having to kick a field goal is essentially a failure, but that failure is eclipsed by having to kick one and not being able to do it successfully.
So yeah, we have talent, but it’s not spread out particularly well, yet. If we’re honest, we knew that coming in. A 3-1 record puts us on pace for the 8-4 or maybe 9-3 record most of us predicted before the season began. We lost to a team that has been prolific against really good defenses even in losses and it happened at their house. It’s too early for us as fans to wet the bed. Some things will get better as the season develops, I hope, and others I think we’re going to have to wait a year or two. Let’s see what happens next week.
AMEN, when you stop a team on the 8 etc., and they get 3 it feels like a wash or a win, but when you fail and then miss the FG inside 30, it is a shot to the nuts.
Those of you writing that 4 and 5 stars don’t mean anything….rofl. This team has talent deficiencies in certain areas, but the recruiting services are more often right than they are wrong.
We grouse about CMR not recruiting enough talent then we move the goalposts by saying the universally accepted measure of talent isn’t actually a good measure after all.
EVERY team has deficiencies. The OL has its issues, but it’s not as bad as it’s being made out to be. Coach Pruitt had this same personnel group at secondary ROCKING – with half the game-ready players and when the whole squad was a bunch of freshmen.
Under Richt, everybody said we had a lousy OL coach when the OL didn’t perform. Under Smart, we have a genius OL coach, he just doesn’t have the players. Gotcha.
A better QB situation and a now-healthy 3-4 juggernauts at RB offsets the loss of Theus and Mitchell, in my opinion.
Who exactly tested the secondary last season though? Final ranking was nice, but I recall Vandy nearly hitting 300 yds passing, and Dobbs shredding the secondary. Beyond Dobbs it wasn’t exactly a murder’s row of passers.
Great post. We now see what 5 years of administrative foot dragging and a coach on the hot seat did to recruiting.
Or a coach who seemingly didn’t place emphasis on recruiting on the OL. Don’t give me the fans hurting recruiting straw man argument. Plenty of top ten classes in the last five years. Just perhaps misevaluation of needs at best or negligence at worst.
This is it…KS wants to play a way that doesn’t suit the talent at hand, it would seem. I guess we’ll see where that gets us: 1. KS changes, for this year at least; 2. the team changes; 3. nothing changes, and we go 5-7 or something.
Baitstand
Is it too early, or too late, to start the “could’ve had Tom Herman” meme??
Hey BR549….that started yesterday!
If you don’t catchem the first time we will re bate you…we sell worms, crickets and minnows!
budlite
For all of the “cupboard half full, half bare folks”, I’d like to paraphrase Bear Bryant’s definition of a good coach. “He’s somebody that can take his’n and beat yor’n and then turn around and take yor’n and beat his’n”.
I fear that our new coach’s world view has been shaped by his Alabama experience to the point that he hasn’t learned to win without an overwhelming talent edge. It is hard to imagine UGA gaining that talent edge while Saban is still alive. I hope I’m wrong, on both counts.
DawgsFan1
Anybody else watch TA&M v ARK last night? ‘Hogs played a smash mouth, “impose my will on you” kind of offense against a defense stocked with a number of Sunday players soon enough and it got them beat (my english is terrible there). Kinda like our game yesterday. It has taken four years for Sumlin to get where he is with these Aggies. I suspect it will take Smart that long as well.
(Sigh.)
“For us, it was all about playing the Georgia way, the Georgia brand of football. Which is physical, relentless, tough, knock you back. I think we did that.” — Kirby Smart, Dawgs247, 9/5/16
For some reason, I can’t quit that quote.
I look forward to the game that he can say it again.
G-Day?
You should put up his quote today where he calls out players by name.
Did he actually do that??
“Because I’ve seen them do it,” Smart said when asked why he has confident his UGA can turn the page and respond against Tennessee. “I’ve seen Jayson Stanley make that catch. I’ve seen Isaiah McKenzie make that catch. I’ve seen Malkom Parrish make those plays. He made one against a 6’5″ guy against North Carolina. I’ve seen them do it. We’ve just got to do it when we need to do it. We didn’t do it today. Like I said, it’s not all on them. We’ve got to do a better job as coaches to help them. At the end of the day, the thing snowballed and we didn’t have anybody step up and make a play. Lorenzo Carter, go make a play — go make a tackle for a loss right there. Go make a play on the perimeter out there, Malkom, and it possibly changes the game. We didn’t do that.”
http://georgia.247sports.com/Bolt/Rowe-These-things-take-time-47761434
He just broke the Golden Rule of coaches, never call out the players especially by name unless it is to praise them. He very well may lose the team especially the seniors and juniors.
It is to me like he is praising them. Hes saying that he’s seen what they CAN do and he knows they can do anything they set their minds to.
*sounds to me
I think Carter for instance needs to be called out. Maybe not in the press though.
sectionzalum
i think that may be a source of our problem. kirby is a manball, pro-style evangelist, and our qb is not yet ready to be effective under center. big cognitive dissonance from january to today for college kids to absorb. physical-physical-physical sermon, pass block-passblock- pass block in games. our most effective offensive player thus far is 5’8, 165.
and it elevates my appreciation of theus.
I’ve been impressed with Smart’s grasp of meaningful upstream factors that contribute to success, such as offensive line recruiting and accountability. I’m equally troubled by the recent vacuous refrains of “effort,” “compete,” “wanting it,” and “hustle.” Those are inputs in the formula of winning on the same level as “playing well” – which is to say, they’re much closer to the result than to root cause. I am not encouraged that Smart has not given much time at his podium to talking about where effort comes from while giving so much time to the need for effort. He’d better have some good ideas on where motivation to play hard comes from other than experiencing success on the field and/or getting yelled at.
Do we have any sports psychologists on retainer? For consultation with Kirbs, not for meeting with players.
Not a sports psychologist but:
We assume football players are competitive. At a place with Alabama’s depth, you are reminded every day that, if you don’t play your best, there is someone as talented as you just waiting to take your place. If a program doesn’t have that kind of depth. . . Well, I think you may have what we’ve got. I suspect the guys played often hard for Mark Richt because they loved and respected him. I have no idea what the players think about Kirby. Maybe you have some thoughts.
This, exactly.
Great post. I feel like Smart needs to show his players that he can make the changes necessary to be competitive this week. Otherwise he is going to lose them.
Soccerdawg
I am most disappointed in the lack of offensive creativity. Have we thrown a screen pass? Why don’t we use the toss sweep more? Still missing the tight ends. I know we have had a lot of drops. But I am 100 % sure Bobo and Richt, even Lilly could have done more with this talent.
You do realize that, with the exception of bubble and smoke screens, screen passes rely on Offensive Linemen blocking in open space, right? They have a hard time blocking a guy 18 inches away who was standing still.
Why not throw to the TEs? The tight ends have having to stay in help the Tackles against the pass rush. Eash can’t throw a pass to a TE while laying on back with a concussion.
I don’t think you, along with a lot of people on this board, understand how bad of OL is. The lines from the 2009 and 2010 teams were much better than this, and they were less than mediocre.
Good post, Senator. As disappointing as yesterday’s result and effort were, I’m not ready to conclude that the players haven’t bought into the process. While the 4 game sample size is sufficient to show the glaring personnel issues (kicker, tacker, receiver), in my view it is not large enough to gauge whether the team is buying into Kirby. I find myself thinking back to the aftermath of the Carolina game, when the consensus was that the team had bought into the process by showing a resilience and toughness that we hadn’t seen in recent years. Only 7 days ago, we commented on how the team kept their composure and pulled out a win on the road. And maybe Ole Miss is just that good.
That said, I have no clue at all which team shows up this Saturday. I have a feeling that we’re going to see our fair share of both the teams we saw in Oxford and at the Dome before the season is over.
I just keep reminding myself that I said over the off-season to expect bumps in the road with a rookie HC and freshman QB. I just didn’t expect us to look this clueless. We have talent (and holes, obviously). But a good coach should be able to figure out some way to use the talent at hand. That was Kirby’s reason for hiring Chaney and Pittman. But the offense shows very little creativity and our WR play has been abysmal.
Defense, Kirby’s forte, has been disappointing as well.
The comebacks earlier in the season gave me hope, but yesterday makes me wonder if those were a fluke. The Tennessee game will tell us a lot, and I’m really afraid of what it’s going to tell us.
I’ll go further to offer a caution of my own on the talk of effort, speaking as someone who has studied psychology at the doctoral level. The most dangerous thing he could do to undermine morale (and subsequently, effort and buy-in) is to accuse those who are trying their best of not trying their best. I’d be willing to bet there’s a fair amount of that going on. The culture will change in response to intense pressure, but while you hope it compresses into something stronger, it could just crumble instead.
Excellent – he’s been doing that publicly with his comments since January about the roster. I think he has crushed the offensive line’s confidence in particular.
I’ve been concerned a about that as well. He seems to have gone far over the line of calling out a player to encourage greatness (i.e. see what Yoculan did with that freshman class that went on to win 4 straight NCs!) into just knee jerk negative as a “on the other hand” they can get better line. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him simply compliment a guy without the other “he could get better” shtick. maybe he did it about Chubb’s rehab, but then he even the week before the game acted like he didn’t know if he’d play despite everyone else knowing he most certainly had a great camp and was fine. There is Dooley esque gloom about how good the opponent is as a general commentary vs, how bad we are individually.
tmflibrarian
Having someone who is a fine example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect make this hire was always going to have some issues with it, especially when that decision was made in a panic by some big money boys over hiring rumors somewhere else.
We shouldn’t be surprised that McGarity, who worked for a successful AD but hasn’t been able to translate that level of success to his own AD career, would think an assistant from a successful program like Kirby would do fine, and Georgia didn’t deserve or need a new coach with head coaching experience. (Though he was going to pay him like one.)
But it just breaks my heart for the players. We’ve lived a couple blocks from Butts-Mehre for nearly 20 years, and there isn’t energy around here like in a normal football season. Some of that is the rotten September schedule, perhaps. But after watching the second half of UT-UF, with UT knowing they can essentially cinch the East next week, I’m definitely worried that things are going to get worse, and we won’t have a coach with the experience to keep it from happening.
doofusdawg
I’m sure the kids love taking a bus every day to and from practice. Something to consider when considering attitude and “buying in”… man I hate that term.
The problem as I see it… and it’s the only thing I see… is what happens when the ball is snapped. On offense we clearly have a lack of talent on the line and at receiver. But for the life of me I can’t figure out how professionals making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year can’t see what is and is not working. Toss the damn ball. On defense we can either sit back and cover or be aggressive and blitz. We clearly have chosen the former. And it doesn’t take a “rocket scientist”… love that term… to see which works and which doesn’t.
If Kirby wants to be successful like Saban then he needs to copy Saban and get in the face of his two coordinators during the game and tell them to change what isn’t working.
I put the over/under in Cola at 23 and Lexington is gonna be a barn burner. This weekend will be ugly.
Fortunately for me I have other hobbies that aren’t as painful as watching the Dawgs. Hobbies like cutting myself, drinking lye or shoving knitting needles into my eyeballs.
Post of the day!
I see my Tennessee fan neighbor has his flag back up, this one satin I think. He also has the “Next are the _______!” With the coming opponent in the blank. He has “Puppies” currenty.
When we left this morning I mention he wasn’t suppose to have that sign in the yard.
“I rather not go through that again…. concentrate on the house please.” Was all the support she offered.
A David Wiggins plan. L’Atessa de vita! Indeed.
They stock sheetrock on Wednesday. Cabinets are ready. Exterior is finished. Preliminary grading done…..topsoil and double ground mulch stockpiled. Won’t be long.
LOL, careful, they are everywhere now. Don’t think any of us will be able to escape them until Sgt Carter gets slapped back into reality. What a horrifying half that was after they were booed loudly leaving the field just 30 minutes earlier. I think they drugged the Gatorade in the FU dressing room. Looked like a different team that came back out.
Mac I chuckled at your earlier post when you sugggested i consider making a move to a new neighborhood. 😉
Firing Kirby Smart would be the stupidest possible move we could make. Kirby is what he is: probably not a very good coach, but it’s only 4 games, so who knows? All that matters are (1) pretending everything is fine so that Kirby can continue recruiting like gangbusters and (2) firing Greg McGarity so that he has zero influence over hiring Kirby’s replacement.
I remember well the hiring of an Assistant Coach as HC in Athens back in 1964 and a similar outcry from what spawned today’s Instant Gratification Fan Generation. Just as it was then, Dooley inherited what Griffith left him and managed a 7-3-1 season. The next was a 6-4 effort marked by the thrilling upset of Bama on the flea-flicker but marred by back to back 2 loss stretches (FSU, UK & UF, AU) before vengence upon the nats.
The History lesson is intended to introduce a little reality into what is not much more than a bunch of whining over team issues all knew existed back in August.While the Bear’s homily is quaint, such as is the game today he too would struggle matching up with today’s superior distribution of talent.
Four games in, I believe it’s obvious that the first Year HC has not yet captured all 105 players into functioning as a Team. This Saturday we shall all discover whether that 2×4 strike in Oxford brings more of them around to the Process.
Didn’t we go up north and win a big game in year 2? CKS has a chance to repeat that but in South Bend this time.
That with year one. And Notre Dame lost to Duke yesterday.
Dooley’s first year was 1964. We beat Michigan in 1965.
Dooley inherited a smoldering dumpster fire from Johnny Griffith. The program was an absolute disaster from the end of the Little Round Man’s era.
I disagree that we didn’t show up yesterday. We showed up. We are just lacking in a lot of areas and for now, we just aren’t very good. I’ve seen posted here more than once that we are and still will be feeling the affects of the disaster that was the 2013 recruiting class. Why do people think this transition is going to happen without us getting our noses bloodied a few times? Did yall honestly think that game yesterday was goi g to look like anything other than what it looked like? If so, why? Ole Miss gave Alabama all they could,handle. What made any of our fans think that four games into a season with new coaches who have a new approach, a freshman qb, and a bad offensive line, we were going be able to give ole miss a game? They nearly beat Alabama. Go ahead and get ready for a few more games like this. It ain’t got a thing to do with players not buying in. They can buy in til the cows come home and it won’t make up for a talent disparity. I think it will be two more seasons before we start to really see things take shape. My phone blew up all day yesterday and I was just shocked at how shocked people were. A buddy of mine even said he thought the players are mad because Richt was fired and are taking it out on the new coaches. Come in off the ledge folks.
Good post Mike
BarneyDawg
Agree, good post
Well said Mike
Blutarsky – Your key phrase is this… “small sample size…”
It’s waaaaaaay too early to push the panic button! We knew going into the season the OL would be an issue. They’re undersized, Kublanow IMO has never been able to live up to either of his two predecessors, Wynn is not big enough to play Guard, Gaillard is a converted DT, Catalina is transfer from… well you know and lastly Pyke was playing Guard last year and was a 3 star in HS. Additionally, we all knew the WR corp was weak on depth and their lack of consistency is proving what we feared. The QB situation is playing out exactly how we anticipated, both good and bad. On the defensive side of the ball, in fall camp everyone was worried about the front 7 and our inability to get pressure on QBs, so that’s also playing out as feared. The true bright spot has been our ILB play. The DB situation is worse; however, than we anticipated and Briscoe is proving to be the new Prince Miller of this bunch. If the guy behind him is worse, then we’re in really, really bad shape!
The real story here is a lesson in Red & Black coke bottle glasses. Our fan base drank the talent Kool Aid, when in reality there’s a significant separation between our players and the upper tier SEC programs.
Blutarsky, for some reason you’ve either forgotten Kirby’s vision for the future or are ignoring it. It’s quite simple: Get bigger, faster, stronger, deeper and more talented. It will take 3 recruiting classes to get the type of high caliber players Kirby’s use to coaching. Making a silk pillow out of a sow’s ear is impossible, so everyone’s going to have to alter their 2016 expectations in line with REALITY!
DB, for some reason, you’ve misunderstood what I posted. I’m in no panic over Smart. I think he knows what he wants and how to get there.
But I am a little uneasy over the possibility that things don’t head in a positive direction this season, not because of Smart per se, but because there will be unrest in the fan base, and B-M isn’t doing fan unrest too well these days.
You’re looking through some funky colored glasses of your own, though, if you can pretend that the Nicholls and Ole Miss results are merely the consequence of a talent gap.
Nicholls is certainly not the result of a talent gap. That was straight coaching combined with all the flaws everyone has noted.
BTW, I posted a very similar concern to your #3 this morning on BI. Your #3 with what appears to be a lack of player confidence can breed a cancer that’s worth keeping an eye on.
FWIW, I don’t think you’re pushing the panic button. You’ve written a thoughtful analysis of what you believe are root causes of this teams problems, along with your usual spy novel tangents. It makes for entertaining reading.
If things don’t improve, there have to be some people who are chewing their fingernails to a nub about the impact on the increased minimum giving levels and the ticket price increases. That with a downright awful home schedule is a perfect storm. It may require a withdrawal from the AA’s 401k.
As I said back in December, I’ll wait until 2018 to form any lasting conclusions about Kirby’s ability to coach winning football. I gave Richt more than a dozen years. I’m willing to give Kirby more than a few weeks.
Until then, the rational among us will be patient and enjoy whatever few highs we’re given on what is going to be a roller-coaster of a couple years.
I get that the “well look at Saban’s first year at Bama” excuse can come across as a bit of a cop out, but that doesn’t mean it’s completely invalid either. I mean, I doubt if anyone was under the impression that their players were totally bought in while they were watching them lose to U-La-La. I concede the point that Saban had a history backing him up that Kirby doesn’t have, but I’m not getting too concerned just yet. For me it’s always been that this was going to be a rebuilding year, and I’ll judge Kirby on 2017 & 2018 results.
This is gonna sound weird, but I think in some ways, the UNC victory has impaired our growth. The win was not as impressive as it looked – we got a LOT of breaks in that game that even just 2 or 3 of them going the other way would have changed the result of the game. I told my buddies afterwards that we weren’t as good as everyone thought – if we played that UNC team 10 times, I think both would win roughly half, that’s the level of team we are right now. Whatever your expectations are for UNC, that’s what your expectations should be for us right now. Of course most of them thought I was crazy, they were caught in the euphoria of the media praise, the top 10 ranking, etc. And I think the players thought that too. Instead of realizing how far they still had to go, I think that game and all the love right after it made them feel as if they had already arrived.
I know you never want to sacrifice wins, but I would be happy if the rest of the season was focused on getting the young guys built up and experienced. We have a ton of talent but it’s young talent. Let them make their mistakes this year so we can have a kick-ass 2017 & 2018. And yeah, that’ll mean some less than desirable results this year, but our future is still very bright, in my eyes.
It sure feels like 1990 doesn’t it?
Will McGarity give me a rebate on the Hartman Fund contribution and season ticket check it sent to see UGA do its best to win every game in 2016?
The “let’s sacrifice to make 2019 better ” stuff is easy to say when one isn’t spending any money to see them play.
Well said Gaskill. It also assumes that 2018 or 2019 will be “the year”, which is anything but a given. I think Kirby or any new, unproven HC for that matter has a 3 year window to show significant progress in terms of making it to or winning a conference championship, winning 11 games or making it to the CFP. Otherwise, the fan base and athletic department are very likely to make a change because the expectation level is so high now-a-days. That leash becomes even shorter if a HC essentially decides to take program used to winning 10 games a season and throw in the towel to settle for a 5-6 win rebuilding season. This team has talent issues, but not to the point where they can’t win 8 games unless the team completely quits on the coaching staff.
Ed Kilgore
I’m with Charles in being inherently suspicious of psychological explanations of why a team is not doing well at a physical game. Frankly, I don’t know precisely what it means for Kirby’s players to “buy into” his approach to the game. They presumably want to win. So unless he’s tormenting them physically or psychologically and they’d rather lose than support him, why would they not cooperate? There’s nothing about his game-planning that seems radically different from what Georgia was doing last year, but maybe I’m missing something.
He’s been telling everybody who will listen how badly his players suck since he got here. You don’t think that has an effect?
Some professionalism would go a long way. 1. Do the easy stuff (fundamentals) really really well. 2. Practice the hard stuff while still doing the easy stuff perfectly. 3. Do the hard stuff only when necessary and don’t let it affect the easy stuff. 4. Success is making the hard stuff look like the easy stuff.
The mental side of things was my passion as I went through grad school. Inner game of tennis type stuff was where I lived. I imagine Kirby to be the micro manage to a fault type. For example, when someone asks you to stand up, you just flash the action in your head, and you’re standing up. You did not look at your legs and identify each muscle that needed to contract and extend, you didn’t reach your hands out to try to balance. Single thought drove many actions and it all works smoothly. The team needs to work on details, but they can’t play the details. Perhaps some “get out of their own way” would help em out.
Eh. A 7-5 season this year, which looks very possible right now, would be a somewhat worrying sign, but ultimately there’s not much difference between 9-3 and 7-5. If there’s no step forward next season, that’s when major concern should start to kick in.
I beg to differ … There’s a lot of difference between 9-3 and 7-5.
Besides the fact you’ll be happier on two more Saturdays, there’s really not.
Better record means higher rankings, better publicity, and likely better bowl game. It would also mean we beat a couple of rivals during the regular season. If the record doesn’t matter, why keep score?
I don’t particularly give a shit about being ranked 18th vs. unranked or publicity. As for rivals, as I said, you get to be happier on two extra Saturdays. That’s nice, but in the end, Kirby Smart is not going to be any better off if he goes 9-3, especially considering how ugly that 9-3 will look based on the first third of the season, if he doesn’t show substantial improvement next year.
So you think recruiting and overall direction of the program would be exactly the same at 7-5 as it would be at 9-3.
Losing to Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, and tech or USCe –> no thanks
Yes, he will be better off at 9-3 than 7-5. To say there’s no difference makes absolutely no sense.
After his first year, yes, I absolutely think 7-5 is the same as 9-3 when it comes to recruiting. The overall direction of the program is up to Smart, and an ugly 9-3 or an ugly 7-5 is not going to make a lick of difference. Either they improve in year 2 and contend with a 10-2 type of season or they don’t and the hot seat talk begins. That’s when you’ll see problems in recruiting.
You have a different impression than what I got from it. You see a team that hasn’t bought in. I see a team with glaring deficiencies that simply can’t be covered up against a team like the one we played yesterday. Our offensive line is garbage. We have few good receivers. We’re asking a true freshman QB to save us on offense but he can’t do it if 15% of his passes are dropped. And the defense can’t recover five turnovers every game.
I don’t think it has anything to do with “buying in.” They just don’t have the players.
Strange how we got worse at virtually every position right around the same time Miami got better. No accounting for college kids, I suppose.
Miami is Greatness….v. Fla Atlantic, Fla A&M & ApSt. Richts done an outstanding job in only 3 games. Turnaround job I’d say.
Receiving talent is a problem, but I’m not as sure about the offensive line. It’s not great by any means, but blown assignments seem to be an issue as often as being physically beaten. If they were to cut down on mental mistakes, they wouldn’t look quite so bad.
This would be a theory except we can point to position groups with almost the exact same personnel as last year that are underperforming relative to last year.
As someone mentioned above, if talent is the problem, then what happened against Nicholls State? If talent is the problem, why did it take five turnovers and 4th quarter heroics to defeat Mizzou, with whom we are at least equal to in talent?
This years team has more talent than last year by a long ways Las t two years with no QB and no healthy RB’s won 10 games. This staff not getting it done first 4 games.
Nobody should think we had no chance against Ole Miss because of the talent difference. That’s BS. There was a far greater talent difference between UGA and Nicholls State than between UGA and Ole Miss. Nicholls certainly was competitive against us. The team was not ready and played like shit. That’s on the coaches.
No offense, Ghurka, but I think you are wrong. I think our talent level over the last 4 years has degenerated to a bottom tier SEC level at best. outside of a brand new QB, a couple of stud backs, and the odd DL player, we are not at the level of the teams we wish to compete against.
But ya gotta start somewhere, and here we are. 2 to 3 years for sure before it gets better.
David Pinson
Amen. There is one common feature of every great team at UGA (and elsewhere). Very high quality players man the line between the skill players and the opponents. When was the last time you could say of a Georgia team that our offensive and defensive lines (including linebackers) are superior to quality opponents and can and do dominate the rest.
And yet the recruiting services have ranked our signing classes in the top ten each year. It’s interesting how those guys can be so right about Alabama and Ole Miss and so wrong about UGA.
What’s really going on with the fans is their wishes and wants does not jibe with reality. Those that are very upset about yesterday’s result are refusing to accept what had always been a possibility at the back of their minds since the beginning of Smart career with Georgia. I think the best scenario for Smart is to win enough to go and limp into SECCG(by default) just like FU last season with expectation to get whip again by the West Conf. champ.
Count me in with those that think the explanation is as simple as “we don’t have the horses” this year. I really don’t think it’s as complicated as the players not “buying into the process”. Kirby just doesn’t have the RIGHT players for what he wants to do. UGA is no better than a decent Div 2 squad as we stand currently. We are staring down the barrel of an 8 – 4 season at best I’m thinking. Maybe 9 wins if we can squeak past AU. Consider the following:
Kirby has been saying all spring that the kicking game scared him to death.
Kirby has been saying all spring the secondary was not as good as their numbers from last year had advertised.
We all know the risks of starting a true freshman at the QB position.
The O line is a mess thanks to lackluster recruiting by Richt & Co. Kirby can only do so much this this bunch when the talent ceiling is so low in this group. I don’t think any of us expected it to be this bad but could CMR done any better if he were here this year? I’m inclined to say not.
A 4-star D-lineman by the name of Ledbetter is still riding the bench. Who would have thought UGA would have had to deal with his addiction?? So a young and think D line is made even thinner by this.
I’m not saying that Kirby has no fault here. Obviously the dropped passes are a coaching issue. Did these kids forget how to catch balls out of high school? Of course not. This is a coaching problem. The special teams miscues (sans field goals) are also a coaching issue. This is the most maddening part since UGA has a ST coach now which we have been screaming at CMR to hire one for years.
The fans calling for Kirby’s head have no idea what they are talking about. I’m betting they are young 20 something year olds who have nothing better to do that call into Finebaum and tweet all day long.
I think we just all need to adjust our expectations this year. Kirby isn’t a miracle worker. The players at some of the skill positions just aren’t that good. It’s a simple as that…
UGA is no better than a decent Div 2 squad as we stand currently.
I don’t think Bigger realized how damning to Smart that comment is. Smart gets paid a lot of money to produce an SEC team that is a lot better than a Division 2 team.
I do not want to fire him; that would be the worst thing UGA could do. However, if there was any truth to the statement that Smart took a team that was better than beat 7 Power 5 teams and reduced it to the level of a decent Division 2 team he should be fired immediately.
I was overzealous with that Div 2 remark. Obviously, UGA is better than the average Div 2 team…
…But by how much? Hanging on to beat Nicholls seems to make me think not much.
Doubling down on your condemnation of Smart? If he has taken a team that was better than 7 Power 5 teams last year and coached it down to being not much better than a Division 2 team, then he still should be fired immediately.
I disagree with your assessment that we are not much better than a Division 2 team. Your benchmark was Nicholls State, which is a Division 1 team (albeit in the FCS subdivision of Division 1.) Any FCS team ought to be better than a Division 2 team. After all, Division 2 teams can give no more than 36 football scholarships. You really can’t, with a straight face, say we are not much better than Shorter College, or Valdosta State or West Georgia.
I’m curious what the score would have been had Valdosta St. played Ole Miss last Saturday instead of UGA. It’s conjecture of course but the butt whipping I’d guess would be about the same. When a Power 5 teams pulls its starter against another Power 5 team in the 3rd quarter that is a pretty piss poor team they are playing.
My point is that I do believe last year’s team is better than this year’s team. It’s still early in the season but 4 games in, I don’t think you can say with a straight face we will win 10 games this year like we did last year.
“but he doesn’t have Saban’s history”
…or his players, or the experience coaching real-world players… Coaching Saban’s players, it should be patently obvious, is more like coaching pro players than coaching college players.
Christ in a red corvette, folks we had to throw the fucking football 55 times to beat Missouri cause we could not run the damn ball against MISSOURI!!! What exactly did you expect to happen in Oxford?
Kirby, I hope to ever-loving God almighty, may turn out to be the greatest coach in Georgia history, I just hope I am sentient when it happens.
“I think the best scenario for Smart is to win enough to go and limp into SECCG(by default) just like FU last season with expectation to get whip again by the West Conf. champ.”
I don’t know what he is smoking, but I sure am going to need some of it by November.
Eason’s footwork is just terrible.
The worst thing that could have happened yesterday did not happen in Oxford, it happened in Knoxville.
“The people he answers to don’t have a clue. (I’m betting McGarity has begun honing his “remember what Saban’s first season in Tuscaloosa was like” marketing pitch to the fan base and Mark Bradley next offseason. That should work like a charm.)”
And neither, if I may, do the fine folks who led the charge to fire Mark Richt.
Bluto this may be your finest hour…I hope you are wrong, but there’s a voice in my head telling me you are not.
As I look at the schedule, 8 – 4 is certainly doable. Why did we expect more from a first year coach? I was disappointed yesterday, but we are 3 – 1, with several cream puffs left on the schedule. At this point, to me, I am hoping for one win this season over a good team, like Florida or Auburn. I am fine with UT going to ATL; we clearly don’t need to be there.
Very disappointing outing. Glad they took Chubb out. It seems that the enemy D is keying on Chubb so much that playing all the backs would open things up. I am concerned about his injury. Anyone have any idea how serious Chubb’s injury could be?
Brian Van Gorder
Guys, let me know if I can help. Experienced head coach here with a great defensive mindset and extensive resume.
Yeah, right…your Notre Dame defense is simply awesome.
Actually…see above, I should have said “the defense at Notre Dame formerly belonging to Brian Van Gorder.”
Lol, that was funny
You forgot “and always-innovative choices in facial hair.”
I guess I thought that these new coaches might do some of that “coaching up”. You know take a 5 star kid and turn him into an All SEC player and an NFL draft pick.
It’s hard to find any players on this teams that look better than they did last year.
Saban’s style of coaching does not appeal to everyone.
Kirby Smart wants to be Saban, without all of the advantages.
The offensive line is a liability. I’d like to know what sort of playcalls or scheme would turn them into assets or even significantly less liabilities.
The game reminded me of our high school team. They beat the snot out of other 2As because their skill position talent is top-notch. Ranked Top 10 in the state. They lose to 4As badly because the 4A lines are just bigger and faster.
Nothing you can do when the other team is just better on the line on both sides of the ball. Given a month to prepare for a bowl game, maybe you can scheme around those weaknesses and hope for a couple of breaks.
The wins haven’t been as aesthetic as we would like and the L was ugly. But did anyone here think this team was 4-0 material? I didn’t.
Screen pass and toss sweep. Jet sweep and tunnel screen. Essentially anything where they can block someone much smaller than them.
Stop trying to play smash mouth against opponents that outweigh you by 50 lbs.
At this point my biggest worry is that the offensive tackles are going to get our future star QB killed. At one point in the game I feel Eason was justified to seek out Pike on the bench and kick him in the nuts. I am not joking here. Other than that, I am a little concerned that we should be more fundamentally sound than what I am seeing. Kirby has much work to do.
The results were to be expected. Ole Miss Is much better than any
Team In the East. How good, or bad. will the Dawgs be this year?
That question will be answered this week against the Vols.
The “buying in” comments are confusing as hell to me. Most of these athletes started playing football when they were around 8 years old. That means they have all had 10 years or more to become decent players. These guys just need to go back to the basics and DO their job….block, tackle, catch, throw, kick, etc…
While performing above duties, showing passion and hustle is a must. These are the things coaches can demand from our players. If they do not perform then they sit the bench.
I saw such lackluster efforts out of players yesterday that it made me question their passion for the game of football, much less the Old Piss game.
We have a long row to hoe this year…..
blands
Everyone just be patient. The worst thing that can happen is that these coaches get run out of town and Georgia becomes an unstable program hiring and firing coaching staffs every 2-3 years. Stability is really important.
Our lines stink, we have a true Fr QB, and no kicker. Receivers are shaky.
Our best hope was to catch Ole Miss with a Bama hangover and we got their best game.
We need to do some real recruiting and roster management.
8-4 is somewhat realistic and maybe that will include a victory over Tech and someone else decent.
Perhaps this game will turn out to be a “teachable moment” and hopefully we will be a serious SECC threat in 2018.
And let’s kick Notre Dame’s ass next season.
Why are the fan expectations for this team so high?
Why was this team even ranked 11 in the polls.
This is a very young inexperienced team with a freshman QB starting his second game in the SEC, and on the road. As well as a few others on that team
Granted the play was not there at all times. They did do some good things.
The bad. Well, to me they looked like a team that had been on the road for three of their first four games. They had a short week after getting back from a late night game on Saturday and arriving back in Georgia on Sunday. Not good for a team this young and inexperienced. More so playing a team that had tested FSU and Bama, and on both of those teams put up the points. But the Dawgs are nowhere near a Bama or FSU re experience and players.
Now the defense had a very rough game yesterday. I will let up on the offense a little. No pass rush, but hopefully they get an interior D lineman back this week. Ole Miss pretty much did to them what they did to the Tide and Noles. Kelly racked them up.
The D faired about as good as those two teams did in the first half. Now UF is alleged to have the best and deepest D in the SEC. Can thank the current USC coach for that senior and junior laden roster. But the Vols put up 35 unanswered points on them and could have put 7 more in that second half.
The Dawgs do not have the defensive linemen and offensive linemen they need. It will come. Be patient. The roster was set before Smart and company got there, and for all purposes that was February. In any recruiting classes there will be hits and miss.es
A former TECH grad and now sideline reporter / SEC NOW commentator told Freeze post game that Eason is “not an athletic QB”. I guess he means mobile. In fact one of those other game announcers for SEC, former Bama QB, said many times this week [as did others] that Dobbs at UT will not be able to pass on UF.
My point here. Well, Eason is an athlete. Want to check those throws in the end zone that were dropped. Hell, Kelly can not make those throws. Nor Dobbs when freshmen or now. The kid can flat out throw the damn ball. He can put a freaking dime in mason jar at 25 yards and splash out the JD on the rocks.
Look folks, lighten up. For me they are ahead of the pace. Looked for them to drop these games at the beginning…UNC, Ole Miss, UT, UF, and Auburn.
Before this season is over they will start more O line rotation and player rotation. Give them a break and some time.
If your idea of high expectations includes the team taking an FCS opponent reasonably seriously, I guess you have a point.
Easy folks. It’s early
OrlandoDawg
“I’m a patient man, and willing to take a wait-and-see approach until Saturday.”
–Georgia Fan
Unfortunately that’s a common mindset.
Bet at Ole Miss they were saying fire Freeze if we put up 30 points on Georgia and get beat.
Bet at old Rocky Top they were saying fire Butch Jones [man will have a heart attack on the sidelines like some Dawg folks] if he drops another to UF. Hell some of that 102,000 thought they were on the way and left the game at half time.
Now UT comes in. With an experienced three year starter at QB and TB. UT is a team sitting at high expectations for half a decade. Same with Ole Miss. Same with Arkansas. Same with South Carolina. How many times did the old ball coach beat our butts badly. Want to revisit that Clowney game. And yet not one SEC championships team from those teams. What Spurrier went one time to the Dome at USC before he just simply quit in mid season
Dawgs are a team in heavy transition. Want to check the coaches and players who have revolved off that team the past three years. Not one dab of continuity.
Georgia does not have a quality solid roster yet.
Recommend you folks give the current staff a little break and understanding.
Plus we would like to thank the idiots who set this team up at 11 in the polls.
No doubt the man to man coverage is killing the secondary. UNC missed a couple of wide open receivers that would have lead to TD’s and mizzu, Nichols burned the sec, but what Oke Miss did to them was just man among boys kind of stuff. They just scored at will. Easily could have put 60-75 points on us.
We all knowOle Miss had been cheating every sense freeze got there and he will probably be gone sooner rather than later, and ole miss will be on probation, but boy he sure can cheat!
Am I the only one who was wanting to see more Michel and Herrien in place of Chubb? I think Chubb is the best we have, but he is not getting the looks the others are getting. Not saying that would have made all the difference in the game, but let’s go with the back who is “hot”. Bring Chubb in more in the second half until we can get a more balanced attack. When he is in there, the defense is teeing off on this terrible O Line. He is going to get hurt because they are not able to give him ANY space. It’s maddening to watch.
You are not the only one. It seemed our running game was more effective without Chubb in the game.
His long run was a toss sweep….which we promptly abandoned. Boy, that crappy OL sure calls some stupid plays!
Somebody explain how Pruitt gets a top 5 secondary out of this crew last uear and Kirby doesn’t.
Thought I did that. Scheme change.
Let me point out a point that addresses most of the discussion. The defensive backfield this year contains the same players that were back there last year. Now I know that Ole Miss is a special case because they air it out. How does this back field go from being one of the best against the pass to being a hot mess when the only thing that changed was the coaches. Pruitt, love him or hate him knew how to coach the whole defense to adjust for it’s weaknesses. Kirby has them playing like Bama and that is exposing the things that Pruitt had to deal with. Kirby is willing to put his player in a position to fail just because it’s the Alabama way. We are screwed. The players are getting a weekly dose of negative reinforcement from getting beaten and I’m not sure if Kirby GAS. We may in the next few years become the Alabama of the East but I wouldn’t bet the farm on it.
You did. I looked for it and couldn’t find it. My question is rhetorical, really. It doesn’t appear that Kirby believes he can get that that kind of production out of this secondary due to the lack of a pass rush. It doesn’t appear he had tried, either.
Sorry, 69, that was for Blutarsky. You asked what I have been wondering. I’ll hang up and listen now.
Let’s also no forget the Mel Tucker affect. I told you he was a complete flop here in Chicago for the Bears and people couldn’t run him off fast enough. Same story at other NFL teams before he was the DB coach for one year at Bama. He could turn out to be a great DC or he could turn out to be a real bust. For our sake, I hope it’s the latter and not the former.
I really think the biggest issues right now are at OL and DL. If either line was better at least you might be able to hang with a really good team, but having both sides dominated consistently almost assures you of taking the L. It seems basic to break it down that way, but it has been that way for a while. The years UGA has had decent play on both lines it has won a majority of the games. This year is looking pretty bleak unless these guys can gel and start dominating the opponent to an extent. I have seen none of that this year with the exception of Trent Thompson in the Nicholls game. I think the UNC game was a bit of a misleading game. They suck defending the run.
Please take down the “quote of the day”.
Not the feature….just that particular quote.
Mad Hatter gone at LSU….
JUST WIN BABY!
How long till some dope here want to hire him?
Mr Herman call for Mr Herman!!!
Jt (the other one)
I am hearing that many simply aren’t buying in…so you get our players showing up and going through the motions or half stepping. This wouldn’t shock me and would explain why we seem like we are sleepwalking in all or parts of our game…
As others have said coaching is harder when you do not have the Alabama benefits. You have to inspire them and they don’t seem inspired. I saw a quote from Kirby that said Eason needed to take better control of the huddle. He is a freshman they need to support him not lay blame at his feet. The team lacked chemistry this week. They had it the first game and against Mizzou but it was gone yesterday. His job as coach is to bring them together as a team. They are stronger when they work together. It is too soon to call for anybody’s head. LSU is stupid to fire now. Kirby needs to start building up his team not by saying things that are untrue but praising.their strenghts and scheming to use those strenghths. We are who we are and we need to be behind our team and our coach.
junkyardawg41
I really have to look at some of the things we are doing and wonder about the buy in and whether we are doing the square peg in the round hole. I had a couple of thoughts and take aways from yesterday. Most have pointed out the defensive struggles and what it reminds me of most is the Grantham years. We all love Pruitt’s players talking about being able to go out and make plays. Yes Pruitt was protecting the defensive backfield but the last two years our defense was in the top 15 (including 7 last year). I am not sure how you lose a few players and drop to 59th nationally without a confusing playbook/technique.
With the offense, several people talk about Chubb and his lack of production. I have seen a loss of a step versus last year but I have also seen what I will call coach focus versus player focus. Chubb had excellent vision and would go out and find the daylight. If you look at how he runs, he follows the play exactly. If the hole is not there, he hits it anyway. Same with Michel. I think we are seeing the effects of run the ball here and be consistent. I don’t think that is where Chubb’s strength lies. Personally, I think that is a CKS thing.
Also, I have to wonder about all the focus being placed on blocking and if it is bleeding over into the receivers focus on catching the ball. I understand CKS’s comments about catching the ball is the easiest thing a receiver can do… but if you aren’t practicing it enough, it ceases to be the easiest thing.
Kaaya leads No. 25 Miami over Appalachian State 45-10
Brad Kaaya threw for 368 yards and three scores, Mark Walton ran for 130 yards and two touchdowns and No. 25 Miami rolled to a 45-10 win Saturday over Appalachian State in front of a record crowd
The Old Jeffster
No one should be shocked at defeat at Oxford and no one should be shocked at a number of other “L’s” along the way this season. I wish Smart could have worked the freshman into his QB rotation a little more gradually but he had no better choice. Clearly the win in Atlanta raised everyone’s expectations a tad too high on this group. They whys of how it seems so fouled up will come out in time; the good ole-fashioned eyeball test says we don’t have the caliber of players to adapt to a new system and win big in the SEC. But I’m far from writing off the season after one loss.
We knew going into the year that lacked experience and/or depth at QB, WR, DL, and OL. Four games in, it is readily apparent that the Rhode Island transfer is not Anthony Munoz in disguise, and that the OL is just five guards thrown out there indiscriminately because it wouldn’t matter if thought were given as to where they should play. We have eight guards, and the last I checked only two should play at a time. We have zero offensive tackles. The WR’s, despite their promise, are undersized, lack any consistency catching the ball, and aren’t good blockers. The DL is like Trenton Thompson and a few body doubles. Our DBs are asked to cover for an eternity because the front is not generating any pass rush. Aside from that, the team is just chock full of All-SEC performers.
There is no amount of coaching that will turn a guard into a tackle. Either you can play in space or not. None of our guys can. They also can’t push anyone around, so playing tight formations to avoid a speed rush is also a failure. How do you formulate any sort of offensive identity when your OL can’t play in space or in tight formations? What plays would you like for them to call? What identity do you want them to have? So far this year, they’ve had more success slinging it around a little bit. If you don’t think that is Kirby trying to adapt to what he has on his roster, then I’m not sure you really are being honest with yourselves.
The problem is that UGA can’t be a power running team. The OL can’t do it. They can’t pass block either, but we try to get them help with a RB or TE on the edge rushers. That typically gives Eason enough time to throw it, but the WRs aren’t holding up their end of the bargain. If you can’t run it like you want to, and you can’t pass it because the WRs won’t catch it, and you can’t kick it because your kickers are basket cases, then what do you have left? A 7-5 team… maybe. Unless this team turns into something it hasn’t shown it is capable of to this point, it is going to be the rebuilding year that UGA was destined to have under Richt anyway (similar to 2006, 2010). Next year will be better, and 2018 should be even better. If things haven’t changed by then, it may be time to revisit the topic. Otherwise, enjoy the wifi.
Installing his players and his system aside, this team looks as poorly disciplined and coached as I’ve seen. Then he throws the players under the bus and promises more effort next week. Lmao. I didn’t see effort being much of an issue this week. I saw bad penalties and guys acting like they’d won the game after finally making a play while we were down 3-4 touchdowns.
At some point he’s gonna have to stop pointing fingers and talking about the process and actually show it.
Looks like we got Coach Mus-smart
First tee Hazeltine….Arnie’s red, white and blue wing tips as tee markers….can’t get any better than that!
Long live The King!!
Yesterday was going to happen whether the coach was Smart, Saban, Richt, Bryant, or Lombardi. Maybe not against Ole Miss, but it was absolutely going to happen.
Kirby’s biggest challenge is cleaning out ten years’ worth of Richt’s chronic tolerance of half-ass.
Kirby’s second biggest challenge at UGA is recruiting. The 2013 class had 33 players. There are 8 left. THREE ARE STARTERS. Three senior starters from a signing class of 33. A grad transfer from Virginia started at QB last year and a grad transfer from RHODE FREAKING ISLAND starts at LT this year. This DL has to be in the bottom half of the SEC. The OL, LB, DB, and WR are in the bottom third. At best. How Lorenzo Carter was a five star is beyond me. Outside of QB, RB, and TE, Kirby has exactly d**k. Give him time.
Okay, Pruitt had exactly the same dick in the secondary (actually, worse dick since we added Maurice Smith this year) and he coached far better results from the secondary. Four of the five dicks on the o-line last year are back. We had a 1,100 yard rusher and another runner who averaged 150 yards per game before his injury. The new LT’s problem is pass blocking, not run blocking. Think the same dicks this year will produce a 1,000 yard rusher?
Stan, even if we trotted out 11 dicks from a Class A high school to play against Nicholls State and Ole Miss good coaching would result in those 11 knowing what coverage to run, even if they are overmatched. By contrast, we could have suited up the Denver Broncos defense against Ole Miss but if our coaches cannot get them all running the same coverages then that talent can be exploited.
12 men on the field, missed assignments, stupid penalties and lack of focus are coaching issues, not talent issues.
Pruitt had a pass rush last year in Floyd and Jenkins. A pass rush makes a secondary much better.
Georgia also played practically nobody who could throw the ball effectively. They’ve faced three better passing teams in their first four games this year than they saw all last season, with the possible exception of Alabama.
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And now for something unexpected →
My favorite year
Without a doubt, in my lifetime as a college football fan (as opposed to a Georgia football fan), there’s no season I have enjoyed more than the 2007 one. It was absolutely and unpredictably nuts from start to finish, with plenty of stops along the way.
So, it is with great pleasure that I share with you SBNation’s tribute to that season. Check out the following pieces in particular:
Bill Connelly, on CFB’s 11 wildest seasons (2007 being #1)
ULM 21, Alabama 14
Les Miles, ladies and gentlemen
How would a four-team college playoff have looked?
The Celebration, and Corch’s “stunning pettiness“
Steve Spurrier reminisces about 16-12, and Georgia in general
The end result: the only national champion to lose two regular season games in multiple overtimes.
Crazy as hell. But great. I doubt we’ll see another season like it again.
Filed under BCS/Playoffs, College Football, Georgia Football, Nick Saban Rules, The Evil Genius, Urban Meyer Points and Stares
94 responses to “My favorite year”
It’s like a Boston fan declaring the 1986 World Series as the most exciting. It’s like a surviving member of the crew of the USS Indianapolis saying, “well probably not see a day this chock full of intrigue again.”
It was “interesting times” in the most painful meaning of the phrase. The long, all day lead up to the kick in the balls on the Sunday after the seccg to top it off. You knew it was coming. You knew it was gonna hurt. You just had to sit and wait while Herbie made everybody comfortable with the idea that we deserve to have our nuts kicked. All the while seething that the smug fuck face had taken the exact opposite position in 2006.
Then we get friggin’ Hawaii. I hated 2007. I don’t even like thinking about it.
Really? You thought there was a chance Georgia was going to play for the national title in 2007? I knew that ship sailed when Tennessee eked out their wins over Vandy and Kentucky. I just enjoyed the ride of those final 6 games.
We were sitting at four. WVU and Missouri lost ahead of us and LSU was ranked 7th. If it had been week three or week seven or five, we would have moved to 2. Instead then jumped no. 7 LSU five spots to 2 and we went to four.
Yeah we had a chance to get in that year. It was so realistic that they talked about it all fucking day on both Saturday and Sunday….dick.
You’re right. ESPN would never talk up something that would never happen to keep ratings up for their bullshit selection show. Anyone could have predicted that they would jump LSU to 2 after they won the SEC title game.
I said I saw it coming. Are you stupid?
Then why were you so pained?
Because we were at four and I watched two teams ahead of us lose on the last day of the season. Then I watched herbie change his story from 2006 that division titles were meaningless and that it’s really about getting the best teams together.
It’s really pretty simple for those with functioning cerebral cortexes.
The Russians stole it when they hacked into herbies headset
There’s an email that says the equivalent of: “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump?”
I doubt it. People take football too seriously to collude with Russia to influence the outcome of a natty.
But I get your point. Treason. Funny.
An email that says. Was it one of hillarys 30k that were destroyed. You Dems used to love the Ru skies till ya lost . Maybe run a candidate that doesn’t scream at the camera , can walk 10 feet , and at least visits Wisconsin one time and doesn’t hate the white working class. .even ole Alan Dershowitz is laughing at you Der. Treason. Take a pill in addition to deep breathing and turn on CNBC
I would think that any American would be disturbed by a foreign adversary interfering in an any election. Not only does that not bother you, you think it’s ok to go along with it and then to lie about it and then to cover it up.
There’s a name for people like you: traitor.
Maybe she just lost Der get over it gonna be a long 8 . Keep up the good work . Stick to football . At least you can carry on a conversation
So it’s ok if it didn’t work? Attempts to commit treason isn’t treason?
Stick your head back up your ass. The extra oxygen isn’t helping.
Yep, screwjob for sure. There weren’t any teams without flaws and until Herbie comes up with his new rule, we’d have been there beating the crap out of OSU instead of LSU.
I disagree with the screwjob, LSU never lost in regulation, and UGA lost tiebreakers to make the SECCG. LSU had the better resume with the SECCG win.
I agree that LSU had the better resume. And I acknowledge that UGA had no God-given right to play in the championship game. The sour taste simply came from the obvious tail wagging the dog effort required to get LSU to jump UGA by the poll voters. This was made even worse when the Herbstreit Doctrine was abandoned to justify Michigan and Alabama playing for the championship.
We were told that the bcs was designed to choose the “best” teams not the most “deserving” teams. By any measure we were the better team. Vegas would have favored by 6.5 in the seccg had we made it.
If anybody thinks that if Missouri or WVU wins that we finish lower than 3, I have some beachfront property in hahira for sale.
It was a manipulation of the process so that the regular order of things would not be followed. If you can point out one time where a team dropped a spot when two teams ahead of them lost, I’m listening.
We got fucked. You can say we deserved it. You can say we should have never been rated ahead of LSU to begin with. You can say that late season losses weigh too heavily. Whatever your story is is fine with me but the idea that we didn’t get jackhammer fucked is simply wrong. We did.
We didn’t UT abused that that team. LSU was never out of a game.
Man, why are you obsessively angry and bitter over something that happened 10 years ago? Especially considering it’s something (UGA football) that’s totally outside of your control and has no real bearing on your life whatsoever? I can only imagine how insanely preocupied and passionate you are about things you actually have control over, otherwise I’d say your priorities are just slightly misaligned.
I’m guessing (or assuming) you’re a big wig pulling in 750k+ annually with 6% body fat, a smoking wife, and hobbies galore that you excel at.
Call it Irish Alzheimer’s. I forget everything except my grudges.
“Best” and “most deserving” can be interchangeable terms depending on who is using them in the context of the BCS.
It’s subjective to be sure. However, herbie was willing to forego application of the same objective standards in 2006 that he felt were so important in 2007. It’s blatant hypocrisy, plain and simple.
I disagree…but I respect your opinion….even though it’s wrong. 🙂
You certainly make a compelling argument in support of your contrary position.
It reminds me of the Erasmus vs. Luther debate in which Erasmus argued for several hundred pages in support of the existence of a free will. Luther came back with a stunning retort: “you’re wrong.” A very convincing argument I must admit.
The good thing about subjectivity is that you could debate whether the sun rises in the east and walk away thinking that both sides views should be respected. Some would say that truth matters. But does it?
Derek’s right. UGA got screwed over by the nattering nabobs of ESPN. If you examine who the talking heads were it is even worse as all of them had conflicts of interest: Granny Holtz, who Georgia owned while he was at South Carolina; Herbie, who Georgia beat like a drum in a bowl game and who, like SOS, never got over it; Jesse Palmer, a GayTurd. UGA beat LSU by about 2 TDs the next season so we have some empirical reason for saying the Dawgs were better, too. (I know, I know–a different season, a different team. But we still beat ’em 5 games after the BCSNCG.) We had the best team at the end of the season and we got screwed out of the Big Game. Just ask previously undefeated Hawaii how good the Dawgs were.
Skeptic Dawg
Oh Mayor, year after year we continue to dance this little dance. We just view the 2007 season from opposing lenses. You see a team primed and ready for the BCS title game only to be left out. On the other hand, I see a team that lost to an awful Carolina squad and to Tennessee and failed to even win their half of the division. I believe winning your division and conference means something…and no, Alabama did not earn the right to a rematch vs LSU in the title game a few short years later in my opinion. Sure LSU soared past us in the polls. Sure ESPN and their “nattering nabobs” (well done with that name by the way! I will certainly use that in the future. Giving you full credit of course.) spoke poorly of the Dawgs. But all deservedly so. Don’t lose to the Gamecocks and/or the Vols and problem solved. We can agree to disagree and move on.
Actually, give former vice president Spiro Agnew credit. Mayor was quoting him with the “nattering nabobs.”
Actually it’s Bill Safire’s quote. He just lent it to the soon to be disgraced former VP.
Skeptic, I understand and respect the opinions of others–including you–on this issue. What I don’t get is that you always seem to hold UGA, your supposed alma mater, to a higher standard than you hold other teams. You do that consistently. For example, you and others who espouse your view that the Dawgs weren’t “good enough” and LSU was “good enough” completely ignore the fact that LSU lost to Kentucky explaining that Kentucky “was ranked as high as #7 in the nation” during that season. Well, Georgia didn’t lose to Kentucky–Georgia BEAT Kentucky that year. Some how is it that you think LSU (also a team with 2 losses) was better when the Dawgs beat one of the teams LSU lost to?
Eventual MNC, two loss LSU lost their final regular season game to lowly, unranked Kentucky…at home. That’s pretty much all that needs to be said.
I remember James Carvell getting on every and any tv program after that game screaming that LSU deserved to play in the BCS title game because they were undefeated in regulation play. And basically OT rules were stupid anyway and shouldn’t really count.
Kentucky was ranked 17th, the game was played on 10/13 and it was in Lexington. Other than that, you nailed it. 🙂
Seriously, you’ve got that loss confused with Arkansas.
Kentucky was also ranked as high as 7th that season.
Well I feel like an idiot. You’re right…I did confuse UK and Ark. On second thought, f it…I’m going to take the Hugh Freeze approach here: you’re wrong and I’m right on this. You also are responsible for my recent IRS audit too. Furthermore, if you find any proof that I’m wrong, email me. Otherwise, shut up and go away. Oh yea, lat but not least — God gives us the ability to be humble and faithful and stuff. Thank you Lord!
I have a hard time with 2007. In principal it was a great season but as a Georgia fan, I just can’t look past some stuff. That was the year I lost any respect I had for ESPN and Kirk Herbstreit in particular. A mere year year after Herbie was shouting for the rooftops, “Who are the two best teams RIGHT NOW?!” trying to get a national title game rematch between Michigan and Ohio State that jackass turned the Big 12 title game into a 4 hour infomercial on how LSU should leapfrog Georgia in the polls because of LSU’s body of work during the regular season. I get that Georgia had no right to be in that game. We lost to Tennessee and an inferior 6-6 South Carolina team. We made our own bed, but the hypocrisy was a bit much. I still to this day don’t get my sports news from ESPN. I just watch the games I’m interested in that they televise.
I was also not happy about the Sugar Bowl that year. I felt like we got shafted in 2003 when we ended up playing a 3 loss Florida State team that was only there because the ACC was terrible that year. But that was nothing compared to seeing what was a red-hot Georgia team get saddled with showing Hawaii they don’t belong in big boy college football instead of getting to play a real team.
Southernlawyer11
And if misery wants some company, I’ll add that the other Sugar Bowl during the Richt era wasn’t even a real Sugar Bowl. You were given dried up ground up peaches, thrown in a bowl, and told it was sugar. Not to mention, we once again had the distinction of being an upstart’s signature win. Guarantee you some WVU blogger perpetually lists that as his favorite win in school history.
/thanks a lot Katrina
ALL WVU bloggers list that as their favorite win in school history. It’s the only game against a big-time opponent that they ever won.
Not to mention that a 2001 Nebraska team that was blown out by Colorado in its final regular season game and that didn’t win its division either and a 2003 Oklahoma team who had been beaten 35-7 in the Big12 championship had already played in the BCS championship game.
I’ve also always wondered what the difference in the “hottest” team in the country and the best team at the moment is.
I disagree on UGA being red hot or being a great team at seasons end. Along with the two losses, we had an ugly, 3 point win over Vandy late in the year where they were driving late to win only to fumble it away. Then we turn around and give up 34 points to Troy and barely beat them as well. Yet, most only seem to remember the Hawaii thumping which proved just how dominant we were that year. Instead, IMO that was a very overrated team with many flaws. A lot of internal cracks were present too which really opened up in the years following.
I think that team had flaws but after a disappointing Troy game Georgia won their 3 final regular season games by double digits. Two of those wins were against ranked teams. The 2008 team was certainly overrated early on but I think the way Georgia was playing at the end of 2007 they could’ve at least been competitive with anyone.
I remember going to Jacksonville after the Vandy scare and beating the shit out of Florida and Timmy Tears. After that, that team was completely different and would have pounded OSU like LSU did.
That team had the perpetual flaw of CMR coached teams of playing to the competition. Troy and Vandy didn’t inspire the team, so lackluster performances resulted. You can bet your ass that, had they played in a championship game, they would have come out revved up like they did in the Sugar Bowl.
And I disagree that the sky is blue. That team was unbelievable after the Vandy game. The defense relaxed and let them have some points but the Troy game was never, ever in doubt. Get out of here with that trash.
And that Troy teams only regular season losses were to Florida, Arkansas, and Georgia.
Ok, interpret that season as you wish, but the numbers say otherwise. BTW, internally there were all sorts of issues with that team as well — it certainly wasn’t a focused group, I’ll assure you of that
No, the numbers say exactly what everyone has always said about that season; that the team lost two bad early games, then got their shit together and dominated after Vandy. There is absolutely no argument against that. Please, please show me some numbers that dispute that.
The UT game occurred in the middle of the season, not early, in which we were humiliated and never in the game. Both the Troy and Vandy games were ugly (Vandy was driving for winning score before fumbling, a game they had led throughout) and we stuggled to put away a mediocre at best, 6 loss GT team, in which the game was in the balance until late.
UK also was a 5-6 loss team, and I think we were losing to them in the 3rd quarter before finally going ahead to win by 10 or so. You’re acting as if that team got off to a slow start, then steamrolled the rest of the way, but that was far from the case. It was anything but a great team and had many flaws. Hell, WillieMart alone as DC should pretty much silence anyone who feels otherwise.
That U.K. Team lost 4 games, beat the eventual national champion, and averaged over 36 points per game.
31-17 ain’t a struggle.
Georgia was number 12 in total defense in 2007, to say nothing of the second half of the season. I don’t care who’s coaching that d, 12 in the country is a good d.
You keep bringing up coaches and “internal problems”. Those guys are gone, you can quit trying to get them fired.
Again, yes they did catch fire the second half of the season. You only argument is “well Kentucky”. “Well coaches”. Still waiting on those numbers.
I’ll save you some time. They don’t exist.
I already highlighted everything for you; if you refuse to ascertain, then there is nothing else to say. Please go back and look at the box scores, and show me a dominating team. I see a two loss team that trailed Vandy until the final minutes, a team that was losing to a 5 loss on the year UK team in the 3rd, and a team that trailed a 6 loss GT team in the 2nd half as well. Pray tell, where are your so called numbers that show otherwise?
…and a team that trailed a 6 loss GT team in the 2nd half as well…
Not sure what box score you’re looking at, but Georgia only trailedtwice in that game and both times were in the 2nd quarter and totaled only about 4 minutes of game time. They held the halftime lead and never looked back.
In the first week of the BCS rankings that season, there were two SEC East teams in the top 10. Neither of them were Florida, Georgia, or Tennessee. They knocked off #1 LSU in OT and should have knocked off a top 15 Tennessee in OT. I believe Andre Woodson broke Danny Wuerrfel’s SEC record for TD passes in a single season that year. Bill C’s S&P rankings have them as a better team than Auburn that year. Kentucky was legit in 2007.
Puh-leeze about Troy. They scored a garbage TD with 5 seconds left on the clock against back-ups that made it a 10 point game.
Like MGW says, y’all can keep trying to fire coaches from 2007, but that equine specimen has been dead for a long-ass time. There’s no arguing that they shit the bed with two bad losses in the first half of the season, but the team was hell on wheels after the Vandy game.
The Auburn game is the loudest Sanford Stadium has ever been. The WLOCP was awfully fun.
On the other hand.. the South Carolina game saw Knowshon ripping it up between the 20’s only to have the ball taken out of his hands, and the team never got off the bus in Knoxville.
Truly a roller coaster season.
Stafford was really bad against South Carolina that day.
I still see the wheel route Stafford threw 10 feet too far ahead of a wide open knowshon in my nightmares. Ironic that we missed a wheel route given willie’s trouble defending those in other games.
Regardless of the BCS issue, it is still my favorite year of Georgia football. (Says the guy who was born 3 months after we beat Notre Dame)
I’ll take 2002 every day.
1980, of course, was the best season. 2002 was incredible. The end of 2012 was pretty damn awesome even with 5 yards away.
The best team of the last 40 years may be a team that came up just short … 1981. That team was nasty on defense and pretty much manhandled its SEC schedule.
If Erk stayed UGA would have another title or 2.
’92 and ’07 were frustrating years so close but so far away. The ’92 team ended with a win over Ohio St and the final play was a Herbstreit INT. Good times.
Personally, I thought the ’82 team was the best, which made the heartbreak in the Sugar Bowl that much harder to take. That team pretty much dominated all season long and I couldn’t believe that PSU could even hang with us, much less win.
That team was flawed at QB, but really good everywhere else.
Any SEC Championship year for UGA was better…
Corch
Always liked Moreno shaking his hands as he ran back to the sidelines after the second score in the Sugar Bowl, signaling that Hawai’i didn’t belong on the same field with him. Despite what Mark May, Thom Brennaman, and other assorted halfwits were saying.
2007? Wasn’t that the year some no-name QB from TN ran the same damn wheel-route play on Willie’s D over and over again? Fond memories.
Yes and Bobo was running the ball with the safeties giving up the middle of the field.
I think that was ’09…UT was coached by Kiffin, which made it worse.
I must be getting my beat downs confused.
CMR’s motto…close…
Good thing Bama nor UT never hired him there would be no cigars on the 3rd Saturday in October.
*or
Maybe I am not really a general football fan; maybe I am mainly a Georgia football fan, because lots of 2007 was frustrating for me. We played well for most of the season, but then there the times when we just inexplicably shit the bed. In a way, looking back, it was the beginning CMR’s inability to win games he was supposed to win (South Carolina) all the while looking great on other (Florida comes to mind). This when I recall fan frustration start to develop even if we didn’t realize it yet. I agree it was a crazy, and it gave a lot sportswriters good copy, but I am too close to UGA to consider it my favorite year. I’ll take 1980, and not just because we won but because of how we won: Undefeated year, sweet, sweet win in Jacksonville, Tech helps us get the #1 ranking but doesn’t get a win in doing so. Ahh, the schadenfreude!!
Interesting observation. ’07 seemed liked the promised land was just a fortunate season away. I do admit I wanted Cox’s redshirt burned in ’05 for the national title hunt. ’08 I wasn’t that let down as I thought the OL turnover would let us down. ’10 however with UCF loss followed by ’11 with the losses to Boise St, and Michigan St really set in for me that the program couldn’t be what I knew it could be, and Richt’s best years seemed to have Jekyll and Hyde games.
Red Cup
My biggest disappointment was not getting to go to the Rose bowl to play USC.
That I agree with…should have happened
I can see the point but I was so tired of the MWC and WAC talk I wanted to pummel them out of the national discussion.
I think even Illinois would have at least won.
Lets not get carried away here
At least we beat the pants off of Hawaii. Anyone else remember hearing idiots saying they thought Hawaii deserved to be in the BCSNG game because they were undefeated? pffffft
http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/2007/12/10/71015-hawaii-deserves-more-than-it-received-from-bcs/
“For the second year in a row, the unbeaten champion of the underrated WAC (Western Athletic Conference) has been snubbed in the college football Bowl Championship Series title game.
Last year it was 12-0 Boise State. This year it is 12-0 Hawaii, which deserved better alohas than it got in the BCS selections.
Sure, twice-beaten LSU and once-beaten Ohio State played tougher schedules than Hawaii. But their Jan. 7 title game doesn’t excite many fans beyond Ohio and Louisiana, even though it might be a barn-burner. Unbeaten Hawaii vs. Ohio State would have had national appeal.”
I emailed Al Neuharth about once a week for half a year asking him to follow up on this after the Sugar Bowl, but he never responded. And he never will now, seeing how he’s dead.
He must have been HIGH, or reading from a script….I think the latter.
Or hung up on Pitt not getting their chance in 1980.
I gotta admit I took pride in UGA’s winning in such a way that it showed Hawaii didn’t belong. The WAC was what the American Conference is today a good mid major that didn’t belong in the national title discussion.
My lasting memory of that game was June Jones telling his team before they came out on the Superdome turf to play like they belonged. I knew at that moment we were going to absolutely smoke them because Jones knew his team was stepping into a buzz saw.
That was awesome, and the other was Martinez for his faults had a defense that showed up to rattle Brennan from the opening snap.
I remember Fran Tarkenton laughing his ass off after he saw our opponent in the pregame warmups and telling everyone, while on national TV, that Georgia was going to destroy them. At the time I was worried that he was a bit over confident, but later I realized that he knew a thing or two about football.
I remember that. I think Jimmy Johnson said something similar before the game in a bit more diplomatic way. Pretty much said Georgia was a completely different animal from anyone Hawaii played during the season … good times. Hope to see those again soon.
This will always remain my favorite college fooball season. I’m a fan of the sport outside my alma mater and this season was just so batshit crazy from start to end that it’s hard to see something like it happening again.
Fartwok
I remember telling a buddy before the 2007 season that the SEC would never win another NC because there were now three coaches in the league with a natty since Saban went to Bama.
I was so so wrong.
Damn you can tell it’s July. 2007 was 10 years ago WGAS.
Amusing comments and reflections here.
The biggest culprit in screwing over Georgia in the last 25 years has been Georgia. In 1992, 1997, 2002, 2007, 2012 (seeing a pattern here?), we’ve had teams, seasons that could have been magic, could have been great. But we manage to let it slip through our hands by simply playing very poorly in games where we can’t afford to.
1992 (a heartbreaking year): UF
1997: Auburn
2002: UF
2007: UT
2012: S. Carolina
Here’s hoping 2017 breaks the trend (in a good way).
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Kevin Garnett Explains Why Kyrie Irving Wasn’t A Good Fit In Boston
Filed Under:Boston Celtics, Kevin Garnett, Kyrie Irving, Local TV, nba, Sports News
BOSTON (CBS) — The Boston Celtics are done talking about Kyrie Irving. But former Celtics are not.
Kevin Garnett has now weighed in on Irving’s offseason departure, and he put it in a way only Kevin Garnett can. KG wasn’t surprised to see Irving leave Boston for Brooklyn over the summer, because he doesn’t think Irving could handle the spotlight that comes with wearing a Celtics uniform.
“Boston’s a tough town, dawg. You have to have some major cojones to be there,” Garnett told the New York Daily News when asked if Irving had the mental fortitude to handle playing in Boston. “You got to want that. The people want it for you. That’s why Paul (Pierce) is perfect for it. Paul wants the shot every time. Like, ‘You’re 0-for-14.’ And he’s like, ‘I know, but they WANT it.'”
So there you have it, from a guy who definitely had what it took to handle playing in Boston. Garnett was never afraid to speak his mind as a player, and that hasn’t stopped now that he’s retired.
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Medical marijuana in Louisiana: Questions about cost arise
Published Nov 6, 2019 01:30 p.m. ET
Updated 2 months ago 4 min read
The Associated Press / FILE - In a Tuesday, Aug. 6, 2019, file photo, grow manager Thomas Uhle tends to marijuana plants growing at GB Sciences Louisiana, in Baton Rouge, La. Three months after medical marijuana became available in Louisiana, doctors and clinics say some patients are finding the cost for therapeutic cannabis too high for treatment, pricing them out of a medication they waited years to obtain. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert, File)
BATON ROUGE, La. — Three months after medical marijuana became available in Louisiana, doctors and clinics say some patients are finding the cost for therapeutic cannabis too high for treatment, pricing them out of a medication they waited years to obtain.
Nine pharmacies dispense medicinal−grade pot and set their individual prices. Dispensary owners say their charges reflect an industry with startup charges, small patient numbers and lengthy regulatory hurdles to meet.
In August, Louisiana became the first Deep South state — and one of more than 30 states nationwide — to dispense medical marijuana, four years after state lawmakers agreed to give patients access. Now, the state is grappling with the growing pains of a new medical market and a patient group that can’t use health insurance to cover costs.
Kathryn Thomas, CEO of The Healing Clinics, said a third of the medical marijuana patients across its five clinics in Shreveport, Monroe, Baton Rouge, Houma and Lafayette can’t foot the bill for the product.
"They can’t afford ongoing treatment," Thomas said. "It’s becoming the program for the elite."
The only cannabis currently available comes in a flavoured liquid tincture, a bottle containing a dropper to use. One bottle can range from about $90 to $220, depending on concentration and pharmacy, according to medical marijuana advocates.
Dr. Victor Chou, who has a medical marijuana clinic in Baton Rouge with more than 600 patients, said many of his patients take a dosage of about one bottle per month and are finding relief from chronic conditions. But one−quarter of his patients, Chou said, can’t afford the medication.
"The average chronic pain patients would be spending maybe $1,000 a month at current prices for what they need," he said.
About 3,500 people have received medical marijuana since the program began, according to the Louisiana Board of Pharmacy. Under state law, Louisiana is allowing cannabis to treat a long list of diseases and disorders, such as cancer, seizure disorders, epilepsy, glaucoma, post−traumatic stress disorder and Parkinson’s disease.
"We’re now working through the real kinks of a startup business and industry," said Jesse McCormick, with the Louisiana Association for Therapeutic Alternatives representing the nine dispensaries. "They’re just like everybody else out here, trying to stay open and keep the lights on."
Only the agricultural centres at Louisiana State University and Southern University are authorized to grow medical marijuana.
GB Sciences, LSU’s grower, is the only one currently providing product. John Davis, president of GB Sciences Louisiana, wouldn’t disclose its wholesale prices, but said pharmacies determine their own markups.
McCormick said the pharmacies have higher tax liabilities and banking costs than other businesses, and he said some Louisiana dispensaries built facilities and carried costs for months with no income waiting for cannabis products.
"I finally came up with our prices the night before we opened. It really was based on our expenses and what we had spent and lost, and what we needed to recover in five years," said Doug Boudreaux, a pharmacist and co−owner of the Shreveport medical marijuana dispensary Hope Pharmacy.
Pharmacies say if they get more patients, prices will go down. They say any addition of new products also will help, such as plans to offer dissolving strips taken by mouth and topical creams.
Doctors and patients hope the addition of a second grower would drive down costs.
Southern’s grower, Ilera Holistic Healthcare, is setting up operations, with plans to have medical marijuana on pharmacy shelves next year. Ilera CEO Chanda Macias said the company will have a manufactured−suggested retail price for products and will stress customer affordability to pharmacies.
Chou’s hopeful the cost difficulties some patients are having will be addressed.
"I want to be clear: there are a lot of people who are getting a really, really good benefit out of this. I have many people who tell me they’ve been totally pain free for the first time in years," he said.
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Catch up over Cocktails
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Last year’s cocktail party was so much fun that we can’t resist getting together again with friends of the firm. Whether you are in town for IAPP, visiting the cherry blossoms, or working nearby, join...
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Why women aren’t pigs
Robin Lakoff, professor emerita of linguistics | May 26, 2011
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Because of the DSK and Schwarzenegger scandals, there has been probably more than enough public consideration in the last week or two of questions like: Are powerful men pigs and if so, why? But I have yet to see any discussion of a related and relevant question: Why are powerful women so seldom sexually predatory?
In the past, it was reasonable to offer two kinds of answers to that question:
One, there are not now, and throughout history have never been, enough powerful women to make meaningful comparisons;
Or two, women just aren’t all that interested in sex.
The first of these assumptions — while of course true until recently — is true no longer. Indeed, I have been very impressed with how many powerful and influential women have been available to discuss these stories in the media, here and in France. If women wanted to compete with men in piggery today, they certainly could.
It may be worth noting, by the way, that the stories that have circulated over the millennia about the sexual escapades of the few powerful women history provides are all or nearly all very likely falsehoods, made up to diminish a powerful woman’s power (more on this below). No, Catherine the Great just wasn’t that into horses; there is no clear evidence that Elizabeth I was not the Virgin Queen; the scandalous tales of Marie Antoinette’s sexual exploits were constructed deliberately by enemies of the monarchy to bring it down (and worked pretty well!); and even the scurrilous stories about Messalina were undoubtedly invented by men trying to undercut her and her family.
Closer to our time, there are the bizarre concoctions about Eleanor Roosevelt and Hillary Rodham Clinton. Same thing.
As for the second argument, it is false in two ways. First, because as we all know, women areperfectly interested in sex — not as much or as incessantly, perhaps, as men are, but certainly enough to behave badly if they had the power to do so and wanted to use it in that way. But they don’t. So it isn’t — whatever the evolutionary psychologists want to tell us — that women just aren’t as sexy as men, but that something else is discouraging the equivalent kind of bad behavior in women.
Women are not naturally more virtuous or nicer than men. Women in power can be just as mean-spirited and ruthless as men. But they don’t normally express their badness sexually. Hence powerful women are not as piggy as their male counterparts.
One major reason for the difference is that while frequent demonstrations of sexual potency enhance men’s status, women behaving similarly would send a very different and much less desirable message. Very sexual men are “studs,” while very sexual women are “sluts” or worse. So there’s no payoff for women, and so women don’t behave like their counterparts.
Barbara Walters (on The View last week) and many others to the contrary, piggy men are not helpless “sex addicts,” nor do they do what they do for sexual pleasure (which I would bet they don’t get). But men have always used sexual expression as a way of demonstrating and enhancing their political, social, and economic power. By “seducing” as many women as they can, they convey to other men that they are omnipotent and dangerous. This form of expression has nothing to do with the woman involved; she is just a means, a conduit. Shows of sexual potency are man-to-man communication. Even if there is no actual other man in sight to intimidate, the communication has been made, if only to the man gazing back from the mirror. This kind of behavior, then, is not simply physical action, even though it is carried out physically. Rather, it is communication about who can do what to whom.
And as DSK and Arnold both demonstrate, the older such men get, and the physically weaker they become, the more essential it is for them to keep demonstrating their power. As their sexual potency and desire wane with age, it becomes more essential to them to engage in sexual expression to show that they are still in the competition.
(Think of Osama bin Laden’s porn stash and “natural Viagra” — clearly he had similar worries.)
So this behavior should not be read as an expression of strength and control. Rather, it is about fear and loss of control. It is not (as Nancy Gibbs suggests in the May 30 issue of Time) because “power… makes men crazy,” but rather because fear of being or appearing powerless makes men do crazy things.”
If such men deserve sympathy (as Barbara Walters suggested), it is because they are demonstrating their fears of aging, not because they are addicts who can’t control their lusts. They can control them; they choose not to, because they need to send their message. So dry your tears Barbara.
The moral: if you don’t like your public officials behaving this way here’s what to do:
Vote for women.
Cross-posted from Robin Lakoff’s blog at the Huffington Post.
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RealityCheck says:
Very sad to say but Most of them really are these days.
Discrimination in California says:
I totally agree with you. Actually, our history is laden with too much gender discrimination. Nowadays commercials exploit the female body to sell their products. They even use of the fear of aging as a catalyst for females to crave for their goods. More so there are few women were known to climb the corporate ladder because men dominate it.
paolosilv says:
How do they feel about ‘sex with a stranger on a first date?’
These comments — responses to Prof. Lakoff’s as-usual astute analysis of the male-as-sexist-pig uniqueness — seem rife with misogynist apologists. What’s up with that? Are we all such male lovers that we blindly “accept” piggish behavior among ADULTS as ok, since the behavior is behaved by…men? (Reminds me of the “ok if you’re white apologists” many Americans “put up” with because, after all, the piggish behavior was behaved by…whitey.) Amazing.
Bill Hottinger says:
Umm, did we forget to mention that many women use their sexuality to obtain favors, promotions, and other preferential treatment from men without coercion ? It is too bad that anyone uses sex for anything other than expressing love, but such misuse seems rampant regardless of gender. Also, your description of male sexual psychology is pretty primitive and incorrect, except as a caricature of moldy old stereotypes – and that, of course, is exactly what the Governator is – sad, but let’s not waste time feeling sorry for the women; they are victims of their own follies and foibles.
JCG says:
Oh, you mean like the Governator’s housekeeper? Lol!
Really, I don’t think it’s anyone’s business what other people do under the sheets, just as long as they are not hypocrites about it. And those who didn’t understand what the former Gov. was about is living in lala land.
This article is garbage. The author is, if not outright lying, completely projecting her own needs and expectations on males.
Powerful men are not ‘afraid of losing their status due to age and physical weakness’. That is a strictly female problem. High-status males KNOW they are high-status perfectly well, and frankly seldom need to compete for how many girls they can ‘peg’. That behavior usually ends after college. Thinking that that is what drives older men to seek out attractive younger women is sheer foolishness.
The fact is, Older and high-status males have affairs with young, nubile women because they CAN. They are reaping the rewards of that status. Despite the ‘cougar’ myth, no man will have sex with an ugly, older woman when there is a younger, more attractive woman available. and the way young women nowadays practically throw themselves at any male with a modicum of status means that these men are constantly deluged with an endless cornucopia of young, nubile women. It’s like living in a chocolate factory… could you resist tasting the chocolate occasionally?
So sure, vote women into power, and they will do exactly what this writer has projected onto her evaluation of male figures of authority… scrabble ceaselessly to maintain power, ruthlessly destroying anyone or anything that threatens her status. She may not be getting laid (who would want to have sex with a woman who is consumed by her career? no one with a brain.) but that is actually even more likely to make her moody and make stupid decisions. after all, she has been brought up by the ‘sex and the city’ generation and conditioned to believe that men desire women with status…patently untrue.
so if you want your public officials to be ruled by their needs and emotions and insane desire to constantly prove their status here’s what you do:
elect a woman.
If you don’t want your public officials to act like studs in barnyard? start teaching your daughters to have some respect for themselves and stop chasing anyone with a modicum of power like a mare in heat.
mjay says:
Why is this bigoted pseudoscience condoned in academia?
Given this kind of anti-male sexism, it’s no surprise that situations like those at Duke and Hofstra occurred, and I guess there will be more similar situations in the future.
I note Ms. Lakoff makes no mention of her fellow female educators for whom pedophilia is both a vocation and somewhat legally privileged compared to their male counterparts.
Why are female educators so often child molesters?
Oldsfield says:
@morris: “Radical feminists will eventually have laws passed making it a felony to commit adultery.”
Only if you’re a man. If you’re a woman, you’re just “liberating yourself from patriarchal oppression”.
Snafu says:
Hi, I think you should take a look at this article… it implies that power, not gender, entices people to cheat. Essentially, that if people have the power and the ability to cheat, they will.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43083163/ns/health-behavior/
wavevector says:
I can suggest another reason why powerful women are less ‘piggy’, as you put it. Women are highly attracted sexually to powerful men. Men are not highly attracted sexually to powerful women. Many women swoon over Barack Obama, but it’s a rare man indeed who finds Hillary Rodham Clinton sexy.
The powerful men who are piggy are piggy because they can be.
Anthony St. John says:
Excellent recommendation: “Vote for women.” That’s the only way that humanity will survive beyond this century, because men have put us in the crash and burn mode. Future generations deserve a better legacy from us.
You only have to ask What If Hillary had been our president instead of sleazebag Bill? Then he wouldn’t have been able to drive America to the edge of the cliff that “W” drove us over.
I most certainly hope the Obama and Hillary run as POTUS and VPOTUS in 2012.
However, we must be on guard against the Palin type that looks like a woman but acts like a man.
d serrano says:
This article is rubbish, just think about the much talked about phenom of “cougers” older wealthier women sleeping with much younger men. There are many other examples, in the military nailing ones female CO is a badge of honor. I know the author wants to write a story that is linked to the DSK media frenzy, if only to have it appear a little higher up in the google lineup but this is just weak. Its the sort of thing that should appear as a blog on nobodycares.com
Bruce Watson says:
Fear and loss of control? Couldn’t these affairs also be about sex and having fun? And of course, it isn’t only powerful men who act “as pigs.” Other men do, too (about half of all men, a third of all women report having extra-marital affairs.) Might all the hoopla over the philandering of the powerful do much to make these men and women feel okay about their exploits?
morris wise says:
Radical feminists will eventually have laws passed making it a felony to commit adultery. DSK is suspected of being more than a rapist but also an adulterer, both crimes cannot be forgiven.
dav says:
Is there also a possibility that men may be more likely to accept sexual proposals by women than vice versa, and that it ultimately leads to less harassment issues that will be noticed by the media?
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Radical Agenda S04E018 – The Steady State
September 7, 2018 September 7, 2018 Chris 0 Comments
The New York Times published an anonymous opinion editorial on Wednesday, from someone claiming to be a “Senior Administration Official” who was part of the anti-Trump “resistance” subverting the President’s authority from within the government. The writer claims that “many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations” in order to “to preserve our democratic institutions” because they “believe our first duty is to this country”.
Interesting theory.
As many others have already pointed out, “our democratic institutions” are what we used to elect the President. We did so despite the fact that so many of us had long ago given up all hope for that rotten, failed, lowest common denominator system. I am far from alone in having become convinced by a lifetime of experience, that voting was incapable of bringing about positive change. I was likewise in good company in my conclusion that this would result in bloodshed.
That changed with the campaign and subsequent election of President Donald J. Trump. The way Trump reignited in me and so many others, a sense of patriotism which had been abused to death by prior administrations, was shocking. I went from flag burning anarchist to fanatical partisan in what seemed like the blink of an eye. I was suddenly prepared to do anything to preserve the institutions I once sought to topple. Positive change, it seemed, was possible through lawful means.
The mystery subversive goes on to assure us that this “isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.”
The anonymous author of the seditious release was far from alone. The Washington Post then published a piece claiming “The sleeper cells have awoken” which was itself replete with anonymous sources. “We see ourselves as rebels” still more anonymous sources told the Daily Beast.
Democrats have talked a great deal about how Trump (and everything else they find politically inconvenient) is a threat to our democracy. The same people who want let human and material resources flow unchecked across soon to be abolished borders, suddenly insist that Silicon Valley must stop Russia from shitposting on Facebook for fear it might corrupt the minds of our electorate. Whether through impeachment, the 25th amendment, or any other method they think they can get away with, they want this president removed from office without regard for the outcome of the election.
If you want to talk about threats to democracy, the steady State, be it deep or shallow, with all of its anonymous “rebels” and “sleeper cells” fits the description. If the men who listen to the sound of my voice become convinced that voting cannot change government policy, then God have mercy on the souls of the men who think government policy will remain unaltered for long.
No such mercy will be forthcoming from us, because we have witnessed the handywork of this “steady State” our entire lives. That anything which curses a society with boom bust economic cycles and perpetual global warfare could call itself “steady”, defies reason as surely as it defies reason to subvert a duly elected president in the name of democracy. We made a rather decisive choice to change course, and if we cannot do so by voting, we will do so by other means.
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Best TV shows you are watching
By Gregg MacPherson, August 10, 2015 in On Screen
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Don't know why, but I just started watching The Wire. I saw the pilot some time ago and couldn't quite remove the memory of Hornblower while watching the McNulty character. Some time later, trying again, I really like it. Several really interesting characters that won't end their evolvement till the final season, I hope.
Robert Glenn 0
I liked twin peaks, seinfeld and 24.. I'll watch criminal minds and some law&order on the tv at times too. Otherwise it's sports and WWE :D
I watched true detective and found it to be a ripoff of an author that I read in the past, whose name escapes me..
Otherwise the serial killer plot was ludicrous and an overblown procedural.
My sister keeps going on about Mr Robot - I guess i'll have to check it out, but I have a continuing detest for Christian Slater
Edited October 7, 2015 by Robert Glenn
Kemalettin Sert 4
Digital Image Technician
Narcos...
Miguel Angel 122
Spain / UK
Yup, I'd have to go with Penny Dreadful being the most lush and visually compelling program I've seen on TV in a long while. I enjoyed the stories in the first season a lot more but, photographically, it's been very interesting all along. I recommend at least giving it a viewing.
Phil wrote the feature article on Penny Dreadful in the July issue of AC. Check it out. Very refreshing to see just how much quality John Logan insists on having in every aspect of every episode. It's most evident in the cinematography and costume & production designs.
Mr. Logan is very very detailed and he wants it to look like a movie!
They brought top notch crew to do the show from both places, Ireland and UK and the passion that they had for their jobs is a reflection of what we see on the screen I think! :)
I read the article when it was published, very nice one Phil! :)
Ted Keaton III 0
Exceptional series!
Does anyone know what cameras were used?
Apologize for the quality of my screenshot.
John E Clark 34
Re: Narcos
According to this article, a RED Dragon...
http://www.tvtechnology.com/expertise/0003/shooting-netflixs-narcos/277108
Edited October 8, 2015 by John E Clark
Have to put my hand up for Kingdom, the show centred around the gym of cage fighters at Venice Beach CA.
The intro for Kingdom has probably displaced that of Entourage as the most fun intro ever, and sets you up well for the quite novel feeling, gritty (grainy almost) characters. Anyone else onto that?
Bill DiPietra 180
When it comes to grittiness, you have to go pretty far and wide to beat the original opening to Homicide: Life on the Street.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX7ALBb4MSc (a very low-res version, but it's the only one I could find.)
We all have our favourites. I blinked for a decade or two and didn't watch that show at all. Just now I opened the pilot for a quick look to catch up.
I binge watched Southland a while ago. The intro for that I found "gritty", I mean there's a hard viscerial impact. Actually I often would skip it because of that, too hard to watch.
The fabulous intro to Entourage. So much fun, so much to like...
Ram Shani 0
gomorrah!!!!
one of the best grity dark colorfull camera work i ever saw!
Very impressive! I didn't know they'd made a series out of that. I recommend the film, not only for cinematography, but for content. It's probably the most realistic Mafia film ever made, due in large part to the fact that the author of the book actually infiltrated the Camorra so that he could accurately depict its inner workings. Last I heard, there was a huge price on his head. I often wondered if Scorsese - an executive producer on the film - hesitated in attaching himself to that project.
Phil Rhodes 511
I watch almost no television, and what I do see is generally current affairs or documentary. I did notice that Nigella Lawson cookery show recently, which I guess is strictly a documentary, but it's also more or less a lifestyle magazine.
I wonder, has anyone seen anything particularly nice on YouTube? A lot of people are now churning out web series, but so far I've not seen anything that doesn't look like it was shot for $1.
Phil, you can watch a mini series produced by Ridley Scott for Youtube and directed by David Victori called "Zero"
Photographed by a good friend, Daniel Aranyo.
I think Eric Stoltz just turned up on Madam Secretary. So many great actors doing TV/cable/web streaming these days.
Actually, Madam Sec is quite a good show.
Satsuki Murashige 435
Started watching 'Jane the Virgin' on Netflix recently and was happily surprised to see how nicely lit it was. I have been shooting an ensemble comedy webseries and thus working in mostly high-key, low-contrast scenarios. I almost forgot how good it can look when you work with high footcandle levels and stop down (or ND down) for contrast, it's very much against the stylistic grain these days.
A lot of people are now churning out web series, but so far I've not seen anything that doesn't look like it was shot for $1.
Guilty as charged. ;)
Following Miguel's enthusiasm, I watched e01,2,3 of Zero. It feels like a nicely crafted show, though a little hard edged in its look. The boy almost looks CGI.
But mostly, provocative, thinky...like this....Those almost well thunked in physics, and perhaps physics buffs, will want to call it "Slightly Less Than Zero". Loose objects are slowly accelerating away from the huge proximate mass of the earth, while the gravity bound humans watch. History tells us of occassional events where humans do defy gravity, fly. An old English paper clipping reads "Boy Eats Angel Food Cake and Flies.."
And hey, in e03, he does. No cake in evidence.
Some nicely expressed visual concepts in this show, though of a very literal kind. In comparrison, Lost, though brave with the abstract concepts (physics), was quite mingy in it's expressiveness.
Is this just the inevitable march of the over-literal into contemporary moving pictures
Dylan Sunshine Saliba 7
I really enjoyed the latest season of "Project Greenlight". Also, "The Great British Baking Show" was a refreshing bit of positivity in a cooking competition show. I also have guilty pleasure in "Ballers" and "iZombie".
So happy 'The Knick' started back up again. The sets/locations, acting, story and cinematography are pretty good. It's unfortunate we can't watch it in 4k because 1080i broadcast doesn't do it justice.
Bruce Southerland 2
"Manhattan" season 2 is airing on WGN, lensed by Richard Rutkowski
ASC interview with Richard here ...
http://www.theasc.com/ac_magazine/October2015/Manhattan/page1.php
Good interview! Thanks. I've been enjoying this show.
Freya Black 154
Went over the edge... Central Europe
No joke. There really was talk of a David Fincher remake of Utopia but it fell apart before it started.
Phil Connolly 117
Just caught up with Peaky Blinders - some nice camerawork and great performances Sam Neil and Tom Hardy particularly.
I really enjoyed Mr Robot - I can see how the visual style could be a bit annoying, but I like how they picked a visual style and ran with it. TV can be a bit visually safe at times.
Utopia SE 1 is great (not seen second yet) - I love how they managed to get away with shooting 2.39:1 - must be a tough sell to the broadcaster. Although Channel 4 have done widescreen before in the form of great Top Boy. Other broadcasters are panning and scanning movies to 16:9 - so its great that some channels allow letter boxing especially on commissions.
Tyler Clark 2
"Gotham" and "Master of None" (Aziz Ansari) have gotten my attention recently. Both beautifully shot, Gotham more so.
Gotham has so many great people behind it. Everyone seems to give it their all including their cinematographer who I am amazed can pull off such a consistently beautiful look on such a lengthy series at 22, 40 minute episodes in the first season.
Master of None has a very interesting look reminiscent of Louie. Very still life and natural which you don't actually experience too often I feel.
In case anyone else was wondering what happened to this promissingly wierd series, Man in the High Castle episode 3 is out.
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Curator Jodi Hauptman introduces a new Edgar Degas exhibit at the Museum of Modern Art.
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Richard Engel reports on Americans who have joined ISIL. Auctioneer and collector Simon de Pury. Curator Jodi Hauptman on Degas. 53:53
Leah Dickerman, the curator of a new exhibit at MoMA, "Robert Rauschenberg: Among Friends." 19:30
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MoMA senior curator and conservator offer insights into Matisse's life and work, and describe their exhaustive exhibition of Matisse cut-outs. 26:45
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Curator Alanna Heiss on the P.S. 1 Contemporary Art Center. 35:21
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Renault Clio 5: Even More Beautiful!
11th June 2019 spanner44Leave a Comment on Renault Clio 5: Even More Beautiful!
Renault is launching its new Clio while retaining the stylistic benefits of its predecessor while tweaking its contours and reducing CO2 sources. From € 17,800.
By adhering to the principle that we do not change a formula that wins, Renault wanted to capitalize on the success of the Clio 4, for many due to its style, hence light and successful evolution of its dress. It also takes a moment of observation from all angles to detect differences.
At the front, the hood incorporates ribs, the grille surrounding the bottom of the diamond grows and 100% LED light blocks offer a new look. In the rear, the lights are extended further on a slightly wider hatchback to facilitate access to the trunk. In profile, we find the mind cut through the hidden handles of the rear doors while the roof tilts further back.
Side dimensions, the Clio 5 is shortened by 14 mm (4.05 m) but progresses in livability and chest volume. It lowers its bodywork up to 30 mm to gain aerodynamics and sportiness.
A better interior
Inside the Clio 5, the slightly forward-facing tablet sits at the top of the console with its large 9.3-inch multimedia display. (© Renault Media)
Inside, the dashboard, dressed in foamed plastic on the high-end finish, is in net progress and loses this aspect a little gadget to offer a more rational layout.
The slightly forward-facing tablet sits at the top of the console with its large 9.3-inch multimedia display. It’s at your fingertips, but not at the best eye level. It would have had to be more recessed and thus embedded in the dashboard.
The front seats feature a more ergonomic design with excellent support, and the hollow-shell trim enhances the available rear-seat knee space. They also benefit from a clearer view thanks to comma headrests. The storage is also more welcoming, from 22 to 26 litres.
Petrol and Diesel, waiting for the hybrid!
Under its hood, the Clio 5 has a new range of petrol engines. First, to serve as an entry level, the 1 liter 3-cylinder 65 hp and 72 hp, in service on the Dacia Sandero, is intended for rather urban use and provide a modest reference price (14 100 € ).
It then appears the same 1 litre 3-cylinder but turbocharged, replacing the 0.9 litre for power from 90 to 100 hp served by a 5-speed gearbox. Finally, the 1.3-litre turbo 4-cylinder, instead of the 1.2-litre, sees its power evolve from 120 to 130 hp, only associated with the dual-clutch 7-speed gearbox.
As for the Diesel, we find the 1.5 litres 4 cylinders declined to 85 hp and 115 hp. A hybrid version will appear in 2020 associating a 1.6-litre petrol engine of 90 hp coupled with an electric motor of 35 kW allowing to cross 4 to 5 km with zero emissions.
A 4-cylinder 130 hp reference
For the launch of the Clio 5, the 100 hp and 130 hp petrol are therefore the spearheads of the diamond brand. The first named shows a car rather wise for peaceful use, low consumption, clamped by very long gear ratios (50, 90 and 140 km/h on the first three).
However, the second is more tonic, especially in manual mode using the paddles steering wheel, since the first three reports rise to 35, 70 and 100 km/h. What fun on the small mountain roads! But CO2 forces, the next three are also very long, the 4th hangs the 150 km / h. Having 4 cylinders, it is also the most flexible, the least noisy, so the most pleasant.
As for the road behaviour of the Clio 5, it honours its new platform that combines, with control, handling and comfort.
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Omnichannel Retail and the New Role of Stores
September 27, 2018 • by Beth Osborne • Retail Strategy
Today’s consumer loves convenience. Most retailers have made it as easy as possible for them to shop without ever leaving the house. Even so, brick-and-mortar is not dead—not even on life support. Shopping in-store is still the center of the customer relationship. What retailers are shifting toward now is not purely online or in-store but rather an omnichannel approach. With omnichannel retail, the role of the store must evolve.
Consumers Want Options in an Omnichannel Retail World
The perception is that brick-and-mortar is having a very long death scene. Except that’s not what the data says. Looking at statistics of what consumers buy online versus in-store, it really comes down to what they are buying. In these stats, you’ll find that bigger purchases—cars, tools, appliances, and jewelry—are most often bought in-store. While toys and games get the most online purchases. This data further shows that shoppers want both options. Omnichannel retail is the focus of every smart retailer.
Retail Is Evolving, Stores Need to Relinquish Traditional Role
With new channels in the landscape of omnichannel retail comes change, which means stores have to as well. It’s not business as usual. In fact, these new retail channels have increased competition. Retailers now have to battle digital-only players in a crowded space. There are also the increased costs associated with omnichannel retail and the ability to offer goods across multiple channels. There’s also pricing pressure, as digital channels have become more transparent.
These shifts have caused physical stores to lose value if they remain in a traditional role. If retailers want the in-store experience to be enhanced and meaningful, they have to change the role it has played and transform into part of an omnichannel strategy.
Stores in today’s retail ecosystem still need to be the center of the customer relationship. Let’s look at how retailers can strategically make this shift in an omnichannel world.
The Value and Emerging Role for Stores
Consumers’ shopping and buying behaviors often reflect conflicting trends. First, shoppers do spend more time browsing online with data indicating that 88% of shoppers pre-research before making a purchase. That pre-research can end with a purchase online or in stores. So, how do you get them in store? What’s the store’s new role in an ever-changing omnichannel world?
First, it’s good to know that shoppers still want in-store experiences. Buying behavior also remains tightly integrated to the in-store experience. The physical store is still the channel of choice according to research—even for millennials and other digital natives. This may seem contrary to what the picture of retail is with so many big names filing for bankruptcy and closing stores. Yet, other retailers are opening new locations. Some failed while others thrived. It really comes down to the fact that those which failed did not embrace omnichannel retail. They instead held onto what they’d always done.
Stores should play the lead role in today’s marketplace. When stores remain at the heart of the relationship between consumers and brands, they win. However, it’s not so easy. It requires revamping what the in-store experience is, and the way to do this is with a new perspective that leans heavily on technology.
The Power of POS Data
For stores to flourish in their new role, they’ll need technology to get there. This means capturing all the opportunities that happen every day in-store. First, consider all the data you already have. Start with your POS data.
The value of this data goes beyond what you actually sold. There are more insights here to find. The analysis of this data takes you down to the product level but also gives it context like time, day, and why certain items were purchased together.
What if you could see a pattern of consumers buying two items together? Then it would make sense to bring these products closer together. If a significant percentage of buyers purchase a shirt and pair of shoes together, rethink your merchandising and how you can show the items together.
Other trends could show that you sell a particular item more during the afternoon than the morning. Then it may be prudent to push that product toward the checkout area afternoon. Little changes like this could actually increase sales.
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These are just a few examples of the power of your POS data. But you have even more than that already. In omnichannel retail, you should be able to follow a buyer’s journey across channels. It is possible to know what a shopper has browsed online thanks to tracking capabilities and cookies. You may also be able to collect data on how that consumer engages with you on social media.
Then when that customer comes to the store, their history is available. This allows brands to communicate with personalized communications. What if that shopper, who’s been researching a set of cookware on your site and liked some of your posts, lands in store? Would a customized offer on that product make the difference? At the point the shopper walks into your store, they may still be undecided about what to buy, but they are interested.
Tracking that customer from interest to purchase is the goal of every omnichannel retail strategy. How do you get there? The Internet of Things (IoT) can help with beacons and sensors. Something as simple as offering Wi-Fi is a good move. When a shopper enters your store and gets on your network, the device becomes “known”. With the right AI-engine behind it, all the data on that consumer becomes combined, resulting in push notification or email with an offer.
Consumers are not giving up on stores. They still want to walk in, feel and touch what they want. Stores are still a place of discovery for shoppers. Now that you know about how you can harness their in-store behavior to evolve their role in omnichannel retail, it’s time to make some changes.
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The Wicked Problem of Wicked Problems
February 13, 2012 February 13, 2012 Cameron D. Norman 318 Views AC4D, complexity, design, Jon Kolko, planning, strategy, systems thinking, wicked problems
All Knotted Up...Like a Wicked Problem
Wicked problems are receiving a lot of attention these days giving much excitement to systems thinkers and designers alike. Yet what these problems mean for planning and understanding social programs and policies is not clear and may be even more wicked that it first appears.
I was excited to learn that Jon Kolko and his creative band of learners at the Austin Center for Design (AC4D) are coming out with a book on wicked problems. As one who studies and helps others to intervene in addressing such problems, this was like being a Star Trek fan learning that Leonard Nimoy was coming to speak at the Trekkie convention in my hometown. It is refreshing to see that the concept of the wicked problem is gaining traction beyond the small band of scholars and practitioners working at the intersection of complexity, systems and design thinking (which, admittedly is where many AC4D folk inhabit, but hopefully their audience will not).
But it’s not just one book. We are seeing transformations in education and science — with calls for a ‘new breed of scientist’ being created at places like Massey University in New Zealand — or spread through the news or business stories in various forms.
The concept of the wicked problem was originally posed by management science scholar and systems thinker C. West Churchman with planners Horst Rittel and Melvin Webber. The Wikipedia entry on wicked problems provides some examples of what these things are:
Classic examples of wicked problems include economic, environmental, and political issues. A problem whose solution requires a great number of people to change their mindsets and behavior is likely to be a wicked problem. Therefore, many standard examples of wicked problems come from the areas of public planning and policy. These include global climate change[4], natural hazards, healthcare, the AIDS epidemic, pandemic influenza, international drug trafficking, homeland security, nuclear weapons, and nuclear energy and waste.
In recent years, problems in many areas have been identified as exhibiting elements of wickedness – examples range from aspects of design decision making and knowledge management[5] to business strategy.[6]
As our social lives become more interconnected through the Internet, globalization, and mass migration, the complexity of the situations we find ourselves in grows. More of anything in diverse forms interacting together is likely to create complexity as new properties emerge and those properties change the trajectory of actions and reactions of the parts dynamically.
As one who is interested in wicked problems and works with people to address them, I should be thrilled to see the term used so widely. I am, but cautiously so. There is a risk that in the enthusiasm to embrace the lexicon of complexity that the meaning gets lost, which is what one gets from the hype cycle (See below).
The Hype Cycle: Coming to a Wicked Problem Near You?
The hype cycle is described as phenomonena initiated by a technology (or idea) and, once caught on, spikes the expectations beyond reason leading to discouragement, mass abandonment of the idea, and then — hopefully — a return to a level of reasonable return.
While the “cycle” (it is not a cycle) has limitations, the analogy here is well suited to fads of various types and the rapid ascension of the concept “wicked problem” in past years is indicative of a trend. Below are two representations of the amount of citations of the work “wicked problem” and “wicked problems” from Google’s Ngram service:
Wicked Problem Citations: 1950-2008
Wicked Problem(s) Citations: 1973-2008
It appears that wicked problems (plural) are increasing and reference to a single problem is staying the same.
Regardless, an upward trend is evident. What it means is another matter…
If wicked problems are becoming talked about more often and by more people, it is appropriate to ask what kind of impact that this new thinking will have on not only the way the problems are posed, but how people seek to address them.
To that end, it is worth envisioning the future with caution. One of the reasons for this is that wicked problems are often not wholly wicked in their composition or the strategy required to address the problem — which ironically makes these types of problems even more wicked.
This has to do with the interconnected, multidimensional, and embedded nature of the problems themselves which contain within them many interconnected non-wicked problems. I’ve started to see difficulties with organizations developing strategy that fails to consider this. It is, as I’ve discussed before, an artefact of either-or thinking. Tackling the kind of wicked problems like poverty, chronic disease, and global finance require a meta-level strategy that recognizes, shapes and adapts to complexity, while accounting for micro-level issues that are indeed, very linear and simple.
Finding, training and retaining the right talent to work with diverse communities on problems that are poorly supported or funded from many sources is wicked. The human resource needs for payroll, supply management, and field support might be much less so. Yet, both are joined-up and require strategies that can extend beyond traditional management and strategy, but also embrace some of the very ‘best practices’ that seem at the outset to be antithetical to complexity.
Just as I shake my head in frustration at seeing complexity dealt with using amplified linear strategies that ‘do the wrong things righter‘, I have surprised myself by how much I’ve been twitching at hearing recent converts to systems thinking rail against the traditional ways of planning as if anything other than seeing problems as complex would be wrong.
At issue is that wicked problems are made more so by having both complex and non-complex elements working together, requiring a level of strategy development that is far more sophisticated than many first thought. Even a review of the better management texts using complexity give short shrift to the relationship between the complex, the simple and the complicated working simultaneously in environments and how we plan for that. The Cynefin Framework provides a start, but just a start.
Until we recognize this complexity — no pun intended — in the way we plan, there is great risk of replicating the hype cycle when our sole use complexity-based models yield poor results of a different nature than the poor results we are seeing from traditional linear, reductionist thinking models applied to many of the problems we deem as wicked today.
Picture credits: A Close Up on Knotted Rope by Sundariel used under Creative Commons License from DeviantArt
Graph: Gartner Hype Cycle by Jeremy Kemp used under licence from Wikipedia.
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I am a designer, psychologist, educator, evaluator, and strategist focused on innovation in human systems. I'm curious about the world around me and use my role as Principal and President of Cense Ltd. as a means of channeling that curiosity into ideas, questions, and projects that contribute to a better world.
7 thoughts on “The Wicked Problem of Wicked Problems”
Hype Cycle. I like that. Intuitively I have called it “jumping on a bandwagon” and I am concerned that many of our new terms are suffering from a hype cycle. Knowledge mobilization (and its many K whatever equivalents). Social innovation. Both of these are potentially important in addressing wicked problems as they help leverage investments in higher education research and expertise. Trouble is many many folks are using knowledge mobilization interchangeably with dissemination (or worse, as a new term to describe communications) and these terms risk losing their meaning, or at least their differentiation.
Is jumping on the band wagon the same thing as the hype cycle? Perhaps jumping on the bandwagon drives the hype cycle.
Indeed, the bandwagon effect is something that plagues good ideas. The KM/ KT /K__ is a great example of an idea that people grab a kernel of and then fail to enact in a manner that keeps the integrity of the original concept. Too often KM is something like — as you suggested — a dressed up dissemination plan or “leave the office occasionally to talk to someone who might know someone who might be somewhat interested in something you do” . Is this a bit cynical sounding?
At the same time, there is gold in the original idea and our challenge is to find the way to accept that hype cycles and bandwagons happen and to find ways to ensure that we maintain the integrity of the original ideas throughout the cycle so they see that plateau of promise (my word).
Great angle. It is in fact (an unfortunately) a wckeid problem.I think as consumers we also need this basic economic knowledge of trade-offs, when making our food decisions.Thanks!
How would considering waste as a wicked problem help us solve part or all of the problem?
Waste is a great example of a wicked problem — one that has two competing realities that often conflict with one another, yet must coexist. Indeed, there are overlapping areas of problem wickedness here. We have a society that involves producing ‘stuff’ that leads to a lot of waste. The more healthier the economy, the (usually) more healthy the public, but the more waste is produced, which counteracts our health and weakens our society’s wellbeing. From a waste management perspective the problem is also wicked. The more waste collected, the more resources go to waste collection and management, but if waste management is also about reducing demand and creating cleaner cities, then this is somewhat at odds.
The way to deal with this is not simple. Holding the two ideas together at the same time — abductive reasoning (see the Library section of this site for Roger Martin’s book on the topic) — and constant reflection within an organizational climate that is willing to contemplate how these two truths can coexist is the best way to deal with it. Focusing on larger goals, while adapting the means to achieving these goals as the circumstances warrant is another good start.
None of this is easy or simple, but it can help better than designing strategies based on linear, incorrect and restricted assumptions that don’t bear out in reality.
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Sehore district
Ichhawar tehsil
Nagli
Nagli Population, Caste, Working Data Sehore, Madhya Pradesh - Census 2011
Nagli is a village situated in Ichhawar tehsil of Sehore district in Madhya Pradesh. As per the Population Census 2011, there are total 141 families residing in the village Nagli. The total population of Nagli is 632 out of which 322 are males and 310 are females thus the Average Sex Ratio of Nagli is 963.
The population of Children of age 0-6 years in Nagli village is 86 which is 14% of the total population. There are 41 male children and 45 female children between the age 0-6 years. Thus as per the Census 2011 the Child Sex Ratio of Nagli is 1,098 which is greater than Average Sex Ratio (963) of Nagli village.
As per the Census 2011, the literacy rate of Nagli is 81.3%. Thus Nagli village has higher literacy rate compared to 59.5% of Sehore district. The male literacy rate is 94.66% and the female literacy rate is 67.17% in Nagli village.
As per constitution of India and Panchyati Raaj Act (Amendment 1998), Nagli village is administrated by Sarpanch (Head of Village) who is elected representative of the village.
Nagli Data as per Census 2011
As per the Population Census 2011 data, following are some quick facts about Nagli village.
Children 86 41 45
Literacy 81.32% 94.66% 67.17%
Scheduled Caste 172 85 87
Scheduled Tribe 0 0 0
Illiterate 188 56 132
Schedule Caste (SC) constitutes 27.2% while Schedule Tribe (ST) were 0% of total population in Nagli village.
In Nagli village out of total population, 473 were engaged in work activities. 49% of workers describe their work as Main Work (Employment or Earning more than 6 Months) while 51% were involved in Marginal activity providing livelihood for less than 6 months. Of 473 workers engaged in Main Work, 198 were cultivators (owner or co-owner) while 16 were Agricultural labourer.
Cultivators 198 102 96
Agriculture Labourer 16 10 6
Marginal Workers 241 115 126
Non Working 159 80 79
Map of Nagli, Sehore, Madhya Pradesh
Nearby Villages to Nagli, Ichhawar
Below are the list of villages near Nagli village in Ichhawar.
Partappura 393
Narsingh Kheda 2,008
Barkheda Kurmi 1,076
Kherpura 32
Toraniya 965
Sukaliya Hansraj 358
Chhapari Karan 308
Bishan Khedi 1,666
Patariya Sidha 520
Bishan Kheda 390
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PayPal May Back-out From Its Partnership With Libra
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PayPal one of the giant Payment processors have left the partnership with Libra Association. According to Financial Times PayPal did not attend the meeting of 28 Libra partners which was held on Thursday.
A spokesperson from PayPal said to Cointelegraph that:
“We remain supportive of Libra’s aspirations and look forward to continued dialogue on ways to work together in the future. Facebook has been a longstanding and valued strategic partner to PayPal, and we will continue to partner with and support Facebook in various capacities.”
The move comes due to the existing rumors about Facebook’s new cryptocurrency named Libra. It is said that the other three more partners are also considering quitting their roles as future node operators.
The Times quoted spokesperson from PayPal as saying:
“It doesn’t seem that there was a lot of pre-work done with regulators. [Payments] companies don’t want that [regulatory scrutiny] to bleed into their businesses.”
Libra has created controversy with lawmakers all over the world since its establishment, whereas most of the governments are stating that Libra may take power over the currency authorization from other governments.
Recently, Tim Cook, CEO of Apple revealed that the company has no intention to follow Facebook in creating its own cryptocurrency. During an interview with French media magazine Les Echos, the CEO said that Apple is not looking forward to launching its own crypto.
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The Protection of Information in Computer Systems (1975)
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by Jerome H. Saltzer , Michael D. Schroeder
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author = {Jerome H. Saltzer and Michael D. Schroeder},
title = {The Protection of Information in Computer Systems },
This tutorial paper explores the mechanics of protecting computer-stored information from unauthorized use or modification. It concentrates on those architectural structures--whether hardware or software--that are necessary to support information protection. The paper develops in three main sections. Section I describes desired functions, design principles, and examples of elementary protection and authentication mechanisms. Any reader familiar with computers should find the first section to be reasonably accessible. Section II requires some familiarity with descriptor-based computer architecture. It examines in depth the principles of modern protection architectures and the relation between capability systems and access control list systems, and ends with a brief analysis of protected subsystems and protected objects. The reader who is dismayed by either the prerequisites or the level of detail in the second section may wish to skip to Section III, which reviews the state of the art and current research projects and provides suggestions for further reading. Glossary The following glossary provides, for reference, brief definitions for several terms as used in this paper in the context of protecting information in computers. Access The ability to make use of information stored in a computer system. Used frequently as a verb, to the horror of grammarians. Access control list A list of principals that are authorized to have access to some object. Authenticate To verify the identity of a person (or other agent external to the protection system) making a request.
computer system access control list list brief analysis protection system design principle section iii desired function protected object several term modern protection architecture tutorial paper section ii access control list system information protection computer-stored information current research project first section unauthorized use brief definition descriptor-based computer architecture elementary protection capability system protected subsystem main section second section authentication mechanism architectural structure
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Working title – BlackNet
AS DISPLAYED ON ALAYA’S MEDIPALM
LAYER SEVEN – NATIONAL HOSPITAL???
BlackNet: Breaking News. Terrorism in Agri Sector!
The toppled buildings filled the crater like a soup bowl. Embers of flaming grain rained down from the sky like molten snow.
“In the dark of the City-State Agricultural Sector,” came a female voice narrator. “This evening, five dark bodies were spotted silently moving across the ground in the Agricultural Sector of Layer Seven. Security footage shows them moving like shadows, jumping fences, dodging security personnel, scaling walls, and slinking across rooftops.”
The video cut to a pre-recorded sequence. A camera drone’s footage displayed shadowy figures skirting the silos as they moved with expert precision. Using exact, well-coordinated maneuvers, five wraith-like men all but floated towards their destination. “The footage could not identify the men who were wearing black, urban-warfare fatigues and small, light-weight backpacks.” Relayed the stern female voice. “Their destination: grain depositories held in trust by the City-State Government,” continued the female voice.
The figures stopped suddenly in a narrow alley between two agricultural storage sheds. The lead body gave several hand signals to the others. The camera panned over to an open area a few yards away.
“What are we watching?” asked Jeremy in confusion. “What is this?”
“Quiet,” said Alaya. “Just watch.”
On her MediPalm screen, six armed security guards from the grain Agri-Unit entered an open space between two large silos. They stopped briefly to check their equipment. Slowly and dutifully, the guards resumed their course across the open section between two grain depositories; the guards were unaware of the strange men lurking in the shadows.
The five man team continued with their mission. One of them scaled a nearby building. Jeremy assumed that this man was the leader; he was perched on the roof of a warehouse and looked down at the men on the ground. The leader gave another hand signal. His troops continued to move swiftly on the iron-plated deck. The metal soon turned to concrete under their feet as they reached their destination. After weaving in and out of stairwells, pipes, and cables, they arrived at their destination: Agri-Container 46551.b7 – a grain depository.
Jeremy was confused. He looked around the lobby, half expecting Dr. Smith to catch them. “Alaya, we need to get back to work. What are you watching? Who is filming this?” he asked again.
“BlackNet,” Alaya whispered. “Quiet down. Move over here.” Jeremy scooted his chair over next to Alaya. The main lobby of the National Hospital continued on its normal business. Jeremy looked back at Alaya’s MediPalm . He continued to watch with graphic content.
The explosives were placed on points several feet above the ground and in some kind of special configuration.
The female voice was heard once again, “This terrible explosion is not the work of the Illegals, but the work of the well-trained men and women who undoubtedly worked for the National Police. ”
“They knew how to cause one silo to collapse onto another,” Jeremy realized. “It must have been a massive domino-effect taking out two or three more silos at a time. It must have been a spectacular sight!”
After the explosives were in place, the entire group evacuated to a nearby building several blocks away – Agri-Unit Headquarters 46550.
The camera panned away from the perpetrators. After momentarily refocusing, the camera zoomed out just in time to watch the silos erupt in a brilliant red blaze of fire.
The explosives went off, each one detonating at the right time and forcing multiple silos to crash into the one next to it. As the last silo came crashing down, a fireball as white as the sun reached up into the night sky, casting temporary daylight across the Agri Sector.
The camera drone panned around, locating the terrorists. The group’s leader, stood with his hands outstretched on a nearby rooftop. Behind him, the enormous fireballs consumed silo after silo; he was an angel of death. The inferno grew larger and louder as more and more buildings were engulfed in the hellish rage.
The video cut away to the silhouette of a woman sitting at a makeshift news desk. “This is S.G. Aureus, reporting for BlackNet. So far, no government news agency has broken the story of last night’s attack. They have not even admitted there was an explosion. But to anyone near the explosion, it is impossible to deny that one took place.
“No one knows who shot the video, but we assume it was taken on an aero-drone – sometimes called a camera drone – most likely by the terrorists themselves,” continued Aureus. “We have no report of casualties, and this may be why and the government have not reported the incident. They are either waiting to know more, or they will attempt to cover it up as some kind of accident. We at BlackNet know the truth. This was a terrorist attack. We will update you in the future if anyone claims responsibility. Unfortunately, a thorough government investigation is not in the cards.”
Alaya’s MediPalm screen went black. Jeremy stared in disbelief. “What was that? Were they Illegals? Illegals aren’t real. Rights?” he asked in shock.
“An attack,” responded Alaya. “I can’t believe this would be carried out by Illegals.”
“But I didn’t see anything on V-Reel,” whispered Jeremy. “Is that attack real? What about victims? Where will they take them? I think there’s a clinic in that sector but not one substantial enough…”
Alaya whispered harshly, “What do you think will happen to them? Anyone caught in that kind of explosion will get Somnium.”
Jeremy paused at the word, “Somnium”. He shook his head. “No, that’s for old people, not for accidents.”
“I’ve been out of school longer than you, Jeremy,” Alaya said with a hint of sadness. “It happens, Jeremy. It happens quite a bit.” Slowly put the MediPalm back in her pocket, shaking her head. “We should go back to the Lab.”
The two walked back to the lab solomly. Neither of them talking until Jeremy broke the silence.
“BlackNet? Really?” Jeremy blurted out, changing the subject. “BlackNet is an illegal app, Alaya,” Jeremy scolded. “You can get into trouble with that kind of stuff.”
“Oh please,” she dismissed. “Lots of people have the BlackNet app. BlackNet is the only way to get the real news in City-State.”
“Oh please,” Jeremy scoffed. “Name five people who have the app.” asked Jeremy.
“No one. Never mind. Really, it’s not a big deal,” said Alaya.
“Yeah, well,” Jeremy shrugged. “If you ever meet my sister, don’t tell her about it.”
“You were saying something about your sister, before,” said Ayala. “I’m sorry, what was it you were saying?”
Jeremy’s coat pocket buzzed. He pulled out his own MediPalm and checked the time. “Speak of the devil,” he said. “I think I’m late for lunch. I won’t be going back to the lab just yet. I’ll have to tell you some other time. ”
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03/05/2017 - Even the torchbearers of press freedom lose their way- The Hoot
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A journey of a man and a nation together. At the cusp of India's birth as an Independent nation, a family makes an arduous journey to freedom. However, this freedom comes at a cost. An 8 year old boy, Bharat, makes a promise to his father that he will keep his family together no matter what a promise that he keeps over the next 60 years of his life, despite each decade throwing a new set of challenges at him some humorous, some thrilling, some romantic while some life-threatening. His resilience, loyalty and a never dying spirit mirrors the fundamental qualities of our nation Bharat.Interestingly, the movie is an official adaptation of Korean film 'An Ode to My Father (2014) which depicted modern Korean history from the 1950s to the present day through the life of an ordinary man.
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Life in a German Country House
Excerpts taken from The Leisure Hour: a Family Journal for Instruction and Recreation. (April, 1866). Unknown author.
An 1896 cover for the journal The Leisure Hour
The journal contained many different items, from biographies to reference information and short stories. Copies were illustrated with scenes from the stories, and many of the editions were headed with a quote by William Cowper; ‘Behold in these what leisure hours demand, – Amusement and true knowledge hand in hand’, which gives an impression as to the aim of the publication. Each edition was originally priced at one penny and published weekly. (See Rooke Books)
However, I found this piece on Ebay for a couple of pounds! It appears to have been neatly unbound from its original volume at some point and sold on as a separate essay. I haven’t reproduced it here in its entirety as the story is over 6,000 words! So far, it has been impossible to track which house is being discussed – which is disappointing, but the article is fascinating for many other reasons. The language is very conventional for the mid-nineteenth century, and the (female) writer clearly had set ideals concerning daily routines, dress codes and even room settings. (Note the complaints she makes about a type of bedding we now take for granted.) In many instances these are very apparent and she seems rather haughty, or at best slightly naive. Perhaps the best thing about this article is a reader’s comment at the end which questions the original writer’s authority and knowledge on the subject. Clearly, someone wasn’t impressed by the simmering haughtiness and constant cultural comparisons which favoured the English above all else!
There is a short glossary of terms at the end.
Life in a German Country House.
Our acquaintance with the Von Fersens commenced in a singular way. The Countess broke her arm crossing the Brunig Pass in Switzerland, and was brought to Lungern while we were there. We were able to show them some attention, and were a good deal in their company; in fact, I struck up quite a warm friendship with the twin daughters – very pleasant girls. Some six months after we returned to England a very pressing invitation came for us to pay a visit to the Von Fersens at their home at Havelburg.
As we drew up, there was a hospitable rush of the whole family outside to receive their guests. Helena and Bertha overwhelmed me with embraces and tears. The Countess, who spoke little English, exclaimed, ‘Very much welcome, my dear mess,’ as she kissed me on both cheeks. ‘Welkommen, ein schones Welkommen,’ said the Count, who knew no English, giving me what he called a right English handshake. My brother Fred was most cordially received, and a tall, long-backed son, Count Albert, duly presented.
Helena led me up the carpetless stairs, with their massive oak balustrades – stairs so smooth and shining that, running down in a hurry, I more than once narrowly missed a tumble. Going down a broad passage, we entered a pretty room, with two windows overlooking the lake. There was no toilette-table, but a tall, narrow mirror stood between the widows, secured by an ingenious contrivance of ropes. This, being rather rickety, often frightened me as I brushed my hair before it, for I was afraid of the heavy thing tumbling down on me. There was a small piece of carpet – quite a luxury – under a round table in front of the sofa. The small bed was without hangings or drapery. The sofa could, if necessary, be turned into a couch. The washing-stand shut up and formed a table during the day. An antique chest of drawers and a few chairs completed the furniture. I leaned out of the window to enjoy the prospect. How pleasant these foreign windows are in summer: it is so charming to have the whole aperture for light and air, and to lean out without risk of knocking one’s head. In winter give me our close-fitting sashes.
There was a tap at the door, and Paulina, the young Countess’s maid, entered with a friendly ‘Guten Tag, gnadige Fraulein.’ I soon found out that the servants expected to be greeted with a few civil words on first seeing them in the morning, etc., as much as their masters did. Servants here are by no means the silent automatons we are accustomed to; and, as they talk without forwardness, and give themselves no airs, the greater freedom of intercourse with their employers seems, after all, more natural than our cold English fashion.
A little before two we assembled in the large drawing-room. Even at this early hour the sisters were in low barege dresses, with a white muslin jacket. The Count offered his arm and we marched into the ‘saal’. The soup came first, which the hostess helped as in England. Everything else was handed round the table being covered with plate and flowers, silver vases at the corners filled with lilac and golden-rain (laburnums), and an epergne with preserved fruit in the centre. Three courses of made dishes followed the soup, very nice, but incomprehensible – most likely veal. Two plates were given us to-day for the apricots, here considered the proper accompaniment for roast pork. When we mentioned apple-sauce as the fashion at home, all the family exclaimed at the strange mixture.
I thought then and afterwards that dinner lasted a very long time. The interval between each course was immense; but did not find it at all tedious. The young ladies spoke capital English – so idiomatic; Bertha enchanted Fred by coming out with a little mild slang, yet neither had been in England, but as is customary in North Germany, they had had an English governess for several years.
About half an hour after dinner, old Tegel, the footman, brought round some delicious coffee; and then we all rose and dispersed in different directions. The gentlemen took Fred to look at the farm buildings behind the Schloss. These German land-owners are generally farmers; i.e., they have their land in their own hands, and manage it by means of inspectors (bailiffs). Our system of letting several hundreds of acres to one tenant seems quite the exception. For some miles round, nearly all the land belonged to the Count, and more than a thousand persons lived on his property in two villages. Havel had four hundred inhabitants, and Rosen, three miles off, was larger. Some idea may thus be formed of the number of labourers employed, and of the very large sum disbursed weekly in wages. A German nobleman, therefore, while at his landhaus, leads an extremely active and busy life.
The garden at Havelburg was a very disappointing place. Count Fersen was considered the wealthiest man in the province, and there was much taste in the laying out of the grounds; but Fred and I were scandalised at the want of order and neatness. In spite of the efforts of several women-gardeners, who were perpetually sweeping and raking, the lawn looked like a young hayfield, while the soi-disant gravel paths were ankle-deep in dust.
Reader, you may be well acquainted with Rhineland, you may even have done the grand round of German capitals, and still you may know nothing of a genuine German bed. The number of travellers visiting the country have effected a revolution in the chief hotels, and there we find sheets, blankets, and counterpanes much the same as in England or France. The architecture of my bed was on this wise: a spring mattress at the bottom, then a feather bed covered with a sheet, an enormous pillow for the head as big as four of ours rolled into one, and a smaller one for the feet, elevating them in an uncomfortable manner. There was only one lower sheet, and neither blankets nor counterpane. The superstructure was a large feather bed in a case, the duplicate of the one below. The night was oppressively hot, and I trembled at the idea of passing it beneath that mass of feathers. The next morning Fred enquired how I managed, and gave me the benefit of his experience. After a desperate idea of using the towels as sheets, which from their size and dampness he found impracticable, he said he ended by taking the feather bed out of its white covering, and so slept in the great case. Even in winter, when the warmth is grateful, these beds are uncomfortable, as they are apt to roll off, and it is impossible to tuck one’s self up.
After Sunday dinner the Count asked us to drive to a neighbouring Schloss, which we declined; and then Count Albert made a vain attempt to induce Fred to join in a dance the servants had got up in the lower hall! Of course our scruples were considered unreasonable. In the cool of the evening Helena and I strolled down to the lake, and there she begged me to tell her what the day at home was like. I tried to picture to her the serenity and peace of an English country Sabbath, the rest from toil for man and beast, the quiet, happy family gathering, the freedom from worldly cares, and the holy preparation for the perpetual Sabbath-keeping that remains for the people of God. I suppose in many families there may be better usages, but I record what I saw of ‘Life in a German Country House’.
A reader’s comment.
I have been rather amused lately by an article in ‘The Leisure Hour’ for April, entitled ‘Life in a German Country House’. Though evidently a recollection of ‘auld lang syne,’ the little picture is painted in lively colours, and cannot fail, I am sure to give pleasure even to those who cannot have the same interest which I have in hearing German life described by and English pen.
But while it is only justice to say that this little narrative is amusingly written, it is nevertheless far from giving satisfaction to a German reader; and I cannot refrain from making a few remarks, and protesting, in the name of my countrywomen, against conclusions that might be drawn in too strict accordance with the sample of German country life given here. Besides, it would only have been fair to state how many years ago, and in what part of Northern Germany, the lady may have gathered her experience of German life.
I am quite ready to believe that, many years ago, in some remote part of back Pomerania or Eastern Prussia, things may have been as described in that article, from the absence of the egg-cups and toilet-table up to the dusty garden walks and weedy flower-beds. But I can only say that my experience, which is not based on one case only, is of a very different nature. It is quite true that we Germans do not, happily for us, attach so much importance to all the luxuries of life as is the case in England; but I must say that, though sometimes more than fifteen miles distant from a railway-station, and in houses where there was no pretence to luxury, I never yet found a bedroom so bare as the one described; and that wherever I went I have always been lucky enough to be provided with a well-furnished washing-stand, which was not meant to be anything else during the day.
The narrator must have gone with wonderful notions on her German visit. She seems to have expected a sort of back-woods life! She dwells with considerable length on the good-natured hospitality she everywhere meets. She praises it just as one would praise it in a savage, and is not only astonished to find a certain degree of intellectual culture in German women, but actually quite wonders not to find that they may be only good for knitting stockings and spinning flax.
Barege dress: Mainly a gauze dress
Landhaus: Country house, administrative base for estate management
Saal: Dining room
Schloss: Manor house, castle, mansion or stately home.
Soi-disant: Probably meant here as ‘so-called’ or ‘supposedly/allegedly’.
Tagged as bedding, country house, dinner, Germany, Havelberg, landhaus, saal, Schloss, servants, The Leisure Hour, von Fersen
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Rwandan exiled journalist comes out of hiding
By Tom Rhodes/East Africa Consultant on February 16, 2012 3:08 PM ET
I must have received at least a dozen communications from worried friends and colleagues, asking the whereabouts of the chief editor of the highly critical Rwandan website, Umuvugizi. By mid-January, no one had heard from John Bosco Gasasira, nothing new had been published on Umuvugizi since January 11, and his cell phones were switched off. Last week, concerned colleagues wrote a public letter expressing concern over their missing colleague.
"I could not keep my phones on. I knew Rwandan agents were hunting me," Gasasira told me. He had decided to go into hiding. Gasasira alleges that Rwandan agents in Sweden have been monitoring him since September 2010 and even attempted to poison him that month. "Ever since September 2010 I was protected by Swedish authorities -- they have really helped me."
His claim would sound preposterous except for the fact that European governments have accused the Rwandan government of using agents to target opponents abroad. In 2011, London's Metropolitan Police warned three Rwandan nationals living in Britain that the Rwandan government posed an imminent threat to their lives, the BBC reported. The Rwandan High Commissioner in Britain rejected the police claims.
But last week, Swedish officials evicted the second-highest ranking Rwandan embassy official, Evode Mudaheranwa, for "refugee espionage," the Associated Press reported. "Evode Mudaheranwa was evicted the same day I came out of hiding," Gasasira told me.
Neither government has commented on the eviction, according to international reports. One thing is certain though -- Gasasira has reason to be wary of Rwandan authorities. After three men beat him severely with iron bars in 2007; his newspaper was suspended in Rwanda in April 2010; and his deputy editor assassinated in unclear circumstances in July that year, it is no wonder Gasasira fled the country and lives in exile in Sweden. (In December, a Rwandan journalist was shot dead by unknown assailants in Kampala, the capital of neighboring Uganda. Rwandan mourners at his funeral reported being scared of Rwandan agents in Kampala).
Judging by the plethora of scathing articles against the Rwandan government on his website, Gasasira's unpopularity with Rwandan authorities would also not be surprising. Stories published in 2010 and 2011 claim President Kagame used public funds to purchase a private jet and a house in Britain, and set up a bank account in Mauritius to launder money.
"Paul Kagame wants to destroy the Rwandan media and he does this by forcing journalists into exile. You find many Rwandan journalists go into exile but cannot afford to continue the profession," Gasasira said. Umuvugizi has managed to continue and, according to Gasasira, has more impact as a website than when it was published as a weekly newspaper back home in the capital, Kigali. "Our statistics show this. In Kigali we were read by 3,000 people, now we are read by 7,000 people online per day," he said. Although the site is periodically blocked in Rwanda, local journalists told me, many are able to access Umuvugizi articles through other websites such as Twitter and Facebook.
All this leads Gasasira to stay cautious. "All along I've been limiting my movements in Sweden," he told me, "I don't go to public places like normal people, but that's life -- if I don't do this who knows what might happen."
Tom Rhodes is CPJ's East Africa representative, based in Nairobi. Rhodes is a founder of southern Sudan’s first independent newspaper. Follow him on Twitter: @africamedia_CPJ
I am glad that Gasasira is safe. But I want to know why he chooses to write/publish only negatives about Rwandan government as if nothing good ever happens in Randa. I think that's why many people don't read his articles as he expects. Many Rwandan have been following Rwandan achievements including poverty eradication action plan, computer technology, education and tourism. All we can't avoid listening from world economic report is that Rwanda economy is stable compared to other African Countries despite of its cold-blooded genocide in 1994. Gasasira however has chosen to only and only continue accusing Rwandan officials of iron hand and intolerance of their news papers. My suggestion; if Gasasira and others would wish to be heard by many Rwandans, they must show balance between all that happen in Rwanda. Because their daily negative accusations against Kagame do not at all blind anybody from recognizing President Kagame as a hero, freedom fighter, and as well as a modern man in Africa who has distinguishably established himself as one of the western leaders by aiming at developing his country in all possible necessary procedures. Many in Rwanda and outside Rwanda view and understand Mr. Kagame as an increadable African leader who hsa not inherited much from African dictatorial spirit
Threfore, Gasasira should be not be biased in his profession.
John February 16, 2012 9:39:27 PM ET
Thank you for your comment. Gasasira is a private penfighter and he is not on Government payroll. He has choosen not to praise Kagame but to expose his lies and mistake being done under the tyrant’s regime. My advice to you is : If you like propaganda news you might visit Rwanda Newtimes , Igihe.com etc
For your information again; Umuvugizi is read by many Rwandans than you can imagine. Remember if more than 5000 people read his articles, the news is spread to the whole world.
Keep your bread by singing lies but accept and get ready for these who speak up the mind as well.
Florida February 17, 2012 2:17:53 AM ET
Thanks heaven he's alive.
On the contrary of what John thinks, many people read Gasasira's blog and therefore, were really worried. I agree with John though that Gasasira doesn't praise Kagame's regime because, if it did its job correctly, that wouldn't be news. besides, eventhough that regime does a little of its official mission, there are much many newspapers to tell the so called 'success story'. People need to be informed on what is actually going on, on what went wrong in order to find ways for improving the situation
Madjid February 17, 2012 2:46:11 AM ET
Dear Tom;
The increasing readability of Gasassira's website reminds me of the fate of another paper which was forced out of circulation by a similarly tyrannical regime.It's Addis Neger of Ethiopia whose editors escaped in the nick of time before thrown to jail on account of a trumped up charge of terrorism.Meles Zenawi's regime only succeeded to make the website more popular and most sought after which was launched after the editors fled.
Kiflu Hussain February 17, 2012 7:51:20 AM ET
John every one like you will say this, but you have also to understand Gasasira and his associate, I think you will know why Gasasira and many other criticizes than empathize gov’t as you wish through this example :
How many times have you said thanks to your house boy/girl after her/his good job? I think u don’t as u pay them, isn’t it? So far how many house boys/girls have you fired because of a small mistakes? Without thinking even the big work done and a small salary they get from you ,I guess your answer will be many, So Gasasira and many other Banyarwanda doesn’t feel sorry for these people or gvt because they do some bad things as ithink u agree with me(ex:"he chooses to write/publish only negatives about Rwandan government as if nothing good ever happens in Randa")when earned a lot of money from our taxes .
Bro if was in your shoes I would advise these pple to stop all these horrific things(killings, mismanagement, embezzlement losetalks....,) and shame Gasasira and his coworker for losing anything else to inscribe against your beloved system
Richard k February 17, 2012 8:49:42 AM ET
Its good news Gasasira has resurfaced, not because I feard that Kigali could have been behind his supposed disappearance, but because that would have been the automatic conclusion by many.
The way things are are such that if a Rwandan journalist is assaulted or even killed from anywhere, many will immediately blame the govt without any evidence, just out of the blue.
It was of course unfortunate that Gasasira's deputy was killed outside his home, but even when the suspects were arrested and later convicted, everyone keeps blaming the govt. It must be noted that Rugambage was the first journalist killed in Rwanda following the 1994 Genocide, but the impression that has been created is that govt is busy killing journalists.
Its unfortunate that the opinions of certain individuals who call themselves journalists but never come close to practicing real journalism (that's not based on rumours, bias, with a confrontational tone) are the ones that have largely shaped public opinion about Rwanda's media landscape.
Truth be told, Rwanda is not paradise with regard to media freedom, but it does much better than many countries, both in the legal context and practice. It might sound odd that its true that instead the media are the ones who have failed to appreciate the sensitivities/realities of the post-Genocide
Rwandan society, with many choosing to blindly promote the same views as those from rights groups who have a bone to pick with Rwanda, specially because of political reasons (note that Kigali has had a spate of diplomatic difficulties with some western govts largely due to the latter's role in the country's troubled past, including the 1994 Genocide).
Otherwise how else can u explain how a journalist only commits to portray a govt in a negative light, without ever appreciating any good thing (and they' recountless) it has done?
How do you justify a case where a journalist deliberately violates the law b'se they don't like the legislation?
Its also known that most of the Rwandan journalists in exile have training/capacity issues, their education is too modest, with the majority having dropped out of high school. I know education is not enough to make a good journalist, but its a handicap that has had its toll on how Rwandan journalists operate.
Of course, there's the other unfortunate factor of some journalists betraying their professional conscious so they can win visas to 'greener pastures'.
Its important that all these factors are clearly understood for one to understand the Rwandan media situation.
I hope one day truth will finally prevail.
James Munyaneza February 17, 2012 10:06:09 AM ET
"How else can u explain how a journalist only commits to portray a govt in a negative light, without ever appreciating any good thing (and they' recountless) it has done?" (Munyaneza)
Praise singers are not journalists, sir, we call them "government propagandists".
True journalists are "Watchdogs" for public interests. Could you figure for yourself what this may mean?
As for Rwanda "much better than many countries, both in the legal context and practice", come out with examples.
-Number of journalists killed both home and in exile;
-Number of journalists in exile;
-Number of newspapers banned;
-Number of trials against female journalists;
-Number of rejected applications for radio stations;
Number of...
And last, who told you that being in exile is an advantage for journalists?
Ismail Mbonigaba February 17, 2012 1:41:12 PM ET
Whatever people say, what is the most important to me (I think even to other lovers of umuvugizi) is that Honorable Gasasira is till alive. That is what metters most.
Gasasira I will raise your flag high, 7000 people who reads your website everyday this is a huge number to bring the change in our country.
Pascal February 18, 2012 11:42:51 AM ET
Dear James Munyaneza. Where do you get the moral authority to blame Rwandan media of failing the prosperity of this sector? You wasted many years in The NewTimes as a gov't agent and spin doctor before being rewarded in kind by the same govt with a fat job outside the newsroom, which you gladly accepted at the time when yo fellow journalists were being cracked for publishing an 'ugly' photo of Kagame. The editors were being harassed for their so called 'ulterior' motives. If you did not do anything this time apart from abandoning journalism, then i would request u keep out of debates of people with integrity or keep up your low class blogging for a handful who care to read your irrelevant opinions.
Jeff Rutembesa February 20, 2012 12:04:33 AM ET
Jean Bosco Gasasira
Umuvugizi
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Neal Notes - Home
Got Game? Analytics May Help Those Weekend Duffers
Neal Leavitt
If you constantly shank your drives into the rough, have a propensity for landing your ball in every other sand trap and have a knack for choking on those three-foot putts, well, golf analytics may offer some incremental improvements to your game, but playing on the PGA Tour will still be a bedtime fantasy.
The skinny, however, is that the analytics gleaned via wearable technology and cloud computing are bringing about a sea change in golf.
Last month’s Master’s winner, Danny Willett, for instance, is using analytics to determine what club to use, the type of shot to attempt and where to aim. Brian Costa, writing in the Wall Street Journal, reported that although Willett had only played at Augusta once, his caddie, Jonathan Smart, got an email from a London analytics firm – the 15th Club - with invaluable data on the par-5 holes.
“The numbers showed that when players lay up-leaving their ball short of the green to avoid a water hazard-they fare better when doing so as close to the green as possible, rather than the more distant spots where players typically prefer to swing from on their third shots,” noted Costa. He added that Smart said the 15th Club’s analysis helped Willett improve his ranking to No. 9 worldwide.
A number of companies have also come up with some innovative products providing golfers with a welter of data. Golf reported that Shots to Hole, an Australian company, offers an array of statistical data on its site via a program called What-If-Analysis.
“With a few mouse clicks, for example, a 90s-shooter can see how many strokes he’d save if he stuck his mid-irons, say, three feet closer or added 10 yards to his drives,” the publication said.
A few other cool offerings:
· myRoundPro – A partnership with Microsoft and TaylorMade Golf. Microsoft Band wearers can download an app on their device called the Microsoft Golf Tile. It tracks yardages to the front/center/back of greens and has a digital scorecard to track golf rounds.
· ArccosGolf has a product that attaches to golf clubs and has shot tracking and GPS capability linked to a smartphone.
· Enfucell and Qualcomm developed the BLE Golf Sensor patch. The patch is attached to a golf club head for measuring acceleration and angular velocity. The disposable patch, according to Enfucell, helps golfers improve their swing. Players get feedback from the club head. Enfucell says a fully integrated printed battery enables thin and light construction that doesn’t interfere with the normal stroke.
Golf analytics, noted Steve Evans, the PGA Tour’s senior vice president of information systems, is still in its infancy and we’re just scratching the surface of what may be coming soon.
“We have information on the type of grass on courses, the speeds of the greens, and the weather conditions they are playing in,” said Evans. “We have not done a lot of work to date correlating these data components with scoring and performance, so there are still a lot of opportunities to get more value from the data we capture.”
There’s still hope then for all those weekend duffers.
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ARTICLE: In a report issued last year by PWC, “The Internet of Things” What It Means for US Manufacturing,” the company said “over the next decade, manufacturers could stand to capture about $4 trillion of value from the IoT through increased revenues and lower costs.” That’s a lot of pocket change.
Is It Time Now for Smart Guns?
ARTICLE: The tragic Charleston shooting last week has again brought the national conversation about gun control front and center. Concurrent with that has been a lot of Internet chatter about smart gun technology.
Shooting the Messenger: Anti-Drone Defense Systems Becoming Big Business
ARTICLE: Pundits for the past year or so have been lauding about the wonderful things that drones will do for us – now we’re trying to figure out how to shoot ‘em all down.
Mobile Ad Revenues Steadily Increasing but Challenges Abound
ARTICLE: Advertisers have been salivating for years at the promise of mobile advertising. Gartner, for instance, predicts that by 2017, annual mobile advertising revenues will be almost $42 billion. Display formats making up most of that chunk, but video (driven by tablets and growth in tablet ownership) will show the highest growth.
Farmers Embracing Technology to Improve Agriculture
ARTICLE: Tractor cabs that look like airplane cockpits. Cow heat detection devices. Crop-monitoring drones. Robot milking machines. Sensors that continuously measure everything from nitrogen content to livestock biometrics.
Keep on Truckin’ – Mobile Apps Moving on Down the Road
ARTICLE: Over the past couple of years, according to Fleet Owner, truckers have tapped in to an array of mobile business applications that are helping to strengthen a fleet’s competitive advantage and assist with regulatory compliance.
Will Robo-Advisors Invade the Financial World?
ARTICLE: While it’s not likely that R2-D2 is going to sit down with you at home and help construct your portfolio, reinvest your dividends and even harvest your tax losses, the use of robo-advisers is nonetheless growing in popularity.
Advances in Affective Computing Expected to be Game Changers in Many Verticals
ARTICLE: Affective computing is nothing new – it has been around for awhile – over a decade, in fact. As defined by MIT’s Media Lab, affective computing is computing “that relates to, arises from, or deliberately influences emotion or other affective phenomena.”
Telematics On Cusp of Widespread Adoption
ARTICLE: Telematics is nothing new – the technology’s been around for decades – but the ubiquitous smartphone is now expected to drive telematics penetration in private hire vehicles and taxis to 21% globally by 2019
Biometrics Making Inroads with Financial Institutions
Wednesday, Mar 30, 2016
ARTICLE: While numerous financial institutions worldwide have embraced biometric technology, widespread acceptance and adoption by customers is still in its early stages.
Technology’s Making Smart Clothing Even Smarter
ARTICLE: A generation from now (or probably much less), your blue jeans might tell you that they really need to be washed. Or your blue blazer might complain that that hideous Christmas gift tie you got from Aunt Mabel just doesn’t cut it with your dress shirt and slacks.
Wednesday, Jun 1, 2016
ARTICLE: If you constantly shank your drives into the rough, have a propensity for landing your ball in every other sand trap and have a knack for choking on those three-foot putts, well, golf analytics may offer some incremental improvements to your game, but playing on the PGA Tour will still be a bedtime fantasy. The skinny, however, is that the analytics gleaned via wearable technology and cloud computing are bringing about a sea change in golf.
Driverless Cars Are Coming – a Paradigm Shift
Thursday, Jun 30, 2016
BLOG POST: An MIT study predicted last year that shared, self-driving cars may take so many vehicles off the road – perhaps 80% of them – that a new class of ‘exurbs’ in the U.S. may spring up within a decade. “With fewer cars, much of this space could be freed for other uses. Such reduction in car numbers would also dramatically lower the cost (and related energy consumption) of building and maintaining roads,” said MIT’s Matthew Claudel and Carlo Ratti. One engineering study, they noted, found that automation could quadruple capacity on any given highway – and fewer cars translate to less noise and a small environmental impact. These self-driving vehicles will eventually blur the lines between public/private transportation modes.
Smart Appliances Are on the Rise
Friday, Jul 29, 2016
BLOG POST: Washers of the world, unite! While that’s taking a bit of poetic license from the famous rallying cry in the 1848 Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, advances in smart appliances may someday have washers from Halifax to Harare talking to each other.
Digital Trading Cards Growing in Popularity – Bubble Gum Not Included
BLOG POST: I never threw out my extensive baseball card collection. While I don’t have a T206 Honus Wagner American Tobacco Company card (sold for $2.8 million in August 2007) or a Topps 1952 Mickey Mantle rookie year card (sold by Dallas-based Heritage Auctions in December 2015 to an anonymous collector for $525,800), the collection has increased in value over the years as it sits in multiple shoe boxes silently stuffed away in a corner of a closet. Not surprisingly, in today’s digital age, sports card collecting has also gone digital over the past few years and those of us that still have paper card collections are becoming an endangered species. You no longer get a stick of Bazooka bubble gum to chew for hours on end, but the flip side is that a memorable sports moment can immediately be available online and downloaded.
Warehouse Robots Boosting Productivity – and They Don’t Call in Sick
BLOG POST: hey never take a vacation day. In fact, they work 24/7 in the warehouse with nary a complaint. They don’t kvetch about the rising cost of healthcare insurance. And other than initially programming them, they don’t need any extensive training. Warehouse robots are growing in popularity and are already causing an upheaval in the industry. Steve Vairma, who heads up the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, which represents 122,000 grocery-warehouse workers, said “employers are looking to move more and more into automation and we’re going to be faced with those challenges in contract negotiations in coming years.”
Millennials Discovering, Buying New Works of Art Online
Monday, Oct 3, 2016
BLOG POST: It should come as no surprise - Millennials grab most of their info online – and via smartphones. And that extends to how they discover works of art. To further corroborate this, Invaluable, an online marketplace for fine art, antiques and collectibles, conducted a survey earlier this year entitled ‘American Attitudes Toward Art.’ Some interesting survey findings:
Useful Gadgets, Wacky Gizmos; Par for CES
BLOG POST: This year at CES marked a personal milestone – the good folks at CES affixed a ‘10+ Years’ ribbon to the bottom of my badge (it’s actually 12 but who’s counting). To paraphrase from those ubiquitous Allstate commercials, after a dozen consecutive Las Vegas sojourns, “I know a thing or two because I’ve seen a thing or two.” And there was a lot to see. The buzzwords this year were augmented reality, virtual reality, artificial intelligence, and robotics. Wearables and phones? There, but somewhat passé. On to the next trend(s), product(s).
Surprising Marketing Lessons from the Pet Industry
Friday, Feb 3, 2017
BLOG POST: Marketers can learn a thing or two from our furry (and scaly for those who may own reptiles, snakes, other creepy-crawlers) friends. While the fast-growing $61 billion a year pet product industry is wooing new consumers with disruptive marketing campaigns, e-Commerce and digital marketing to pet owners is still the new frontier. According to Annalect, a New York City-based data analytics company, only 8.2 percent of the entire market regularly shops for pet products online.
AI Helping Marketers Better Engage Customers
BLOG POST: Artificial intelligence (AI), to use a hackneyed term, is already causing a paradigm shift for marketers. AI, in brief, is helping brands to rapidly collaborate with and learn from online followers. And while there probably exists many a Luddite that deems AI a pervasive jobs threat, the flip side is that it may be a golden opportunity to let the machines do mundane stuff like customer support, enabling humans to become more creative.
Ahoy! Crewless Ships are Just Over the Horizon
BLOG POST: Arghhh! To use some parlance from any of the ‘Pirates of the Caribbean’ movies, in the next few years, that’s how some naysayers may react once they see crewless ships on the high seas.
Technology Helping Firefighters Tackle Wildfires
BLOG POST: How is technology giving firefighters an extra edge? With the Lilac Fire, helicopters carried iPads that displayed critical information; the firefighters also had custom cell phone apps that gave them up-to-the-second status reports.
MOBILE - Prime Time for Wearable Devices?
BLOGPOST: Welcome to NealNotes; this is my inaugural blog post. Not exactly Proustian prose, but there you have it – short/succinct. Going forward, I’ll comment on various technology trends/issues/ideas, in short, whatever techles my fancy (sorry, inveterate punster too, even when borderline like that one). Unless you have successfully disengaged yourself from every conceivable 21st Century communications device, you’ve probably been hearing a lot about wearable devices – that they’re the next big trend/revolution/most stupendous technological invention since the cotton gin, ad nauseum. Well, not quite, but wearable devices were yakked about incessantly at CES 2014 last month and the overall buzz is getting louder.
MOBILE - Internet of Things Evolving Into a Game Changer
BLOGPOST: Unless you’re completely off the technology grid (and in which case, you wouldn’t be reading this post anyhow), you’ve probably been bombarded by countless stories/mentions about the Internet of Things (IoT). Whether you’re aware of it – like it or not – the IoT is already transforming our lives. Procter & Gamble, for instance, rolled out a web-enabled toothbrush at last month’s Mobile World Congress in Barcelona. It links with your smartphone, records your brushing habits and even has an app providing mouth-care tips alongside news headlines.
NETWORKING - Getting Help from the Home Country Proving Essential for Foreign Startups in the U.S.
Friday, Apr 18, 2014
BLOGPOST: It’s challenging enough trying to generate some noise and buzz about your product/service/app if you’re a U.S.-based startup. Cracking the U.S. market can be daunting. But if you’re a foreign startup, the difficulties are manifold. Fortunately, many countries and private organizations have realized this and have rolled out extensive programs and services to bolster the success rate for these nascent companies on this side of the pond.
Israeli Semiconductor Industry Continues to Thrive, but Some Clouds May Be on Horizon
BLOGPOST: Back in 1974, Dov Frohman, one of Intel’s first employees and the inventor of EPROM, erasable programmable read only memory, decided to leave Silicon Valley and return to Israel, his adopted home since 1949. Frohman was charged with helping Intel establish a small chip design center in Haifa, which at the time, was Intel’s first outside the U.S. The rest, as the cliché goes, is history. In a little over a generation, the Israeli semiconductor industry has grown to now employ more than 20,000; annual revenues are about US $5 billion.
MOBILE - Selfies: Evolving Technology May Be a Boon for Business
PODCAST: The ‘selfie’ phenomenon has grown exponentially. BGR, for instance, estimates more than 250 billion selfies will be taken worldwide this year. People from all walks of life have embraced selfies. In fact, The Guardian reports that UK farmers are posting ‘felfies’ – a selfie snapped on the farm. “But it’s not just for fun – social media is a lifeline for people in a lonely profession…the ‘felfie’ is taking off, with farmers posting photos of themselves next to their favorite sheep, cow or tractor,” noted The Guardian.
Organ-on-a-Chip Could Aid Drug Discovery, Be the Shape of Medicine to Come
PODCAST: Culturing 3D human tissue on a microchip isn’t new. Like system-on-a-chip (SoC), which shoehorns most of a digital computer into a single chip, an organ-on-a-chip is designed to replicate human organ functions (including activities and mechanics like blood and oxygen flow) on a transparent, flexible microchip. These microfluidic devices which, in effect, are 3D cell culture versions of real organs, already exist for artery, cartilage, gut, heart, kidney, and skin.
3D Printing Opening the Doors to Counterfeiters
Monday, Sep 1, 2014
BLOGPOST: Last year architects in Amsterdam started constructing a 3D printed home. Aircraft manufacturers are honing ways to build 3D printed planes. And 3D printing is now wending its way through the fashion industry. A 3D printed dress designed by Michael Schmidt (designed on an iPad), was printed for a private runway event – it was printed in 17 parts on an EOS P350 3D printer. “3D printing presents tremendous opportunities for businesses,” said Simon Jones, a partner at DLA Piper in London, a global law firm. “Manufacturers will no longer need to own large production facilities halfway around the world, because they can print products on demand or sell licenses to print them locally. This will have a huge impact on the supply chain; it will benefit the environment as there will be less waste, and companies will no longer need to spend a fortune gearing up to make a product and hoping its stock sells.” So the sky’s the limit for 3D printing. And for counterfeiters too.
NETWORKING - Smart Cities: The Future Is Now
BLOGPOST: With the world’s population now exceeding seven billion, many municipalities in both emerging markets and developed nations are paying closer attention on how they manage their infrastructure and resources. A number of larger cities are well on their way to becoming smart cities. Market research firm Frost & Sullivan succinctly sums up how these cities are now being defined – built on solutions and technology leading to the adoption of at least five of eight smart parameters – smart energy, smart building, smart mobility, smart healthcare, smart infrastructure, smart technology, smart governance and smart education, and smart citizen.
INSIGHTS - Classroom Technology Changing the Way Kids – And Adults Learn
BLOGPOST: Textbook. 20th Century definition: A manual of instruction in any branch of study. 21st Century definition: Ancient learning methodology, last used by aging baby boomers. Killed lots of trees. Replaced by e-Books that are usually interactive and often open or free to use and sometimes edit.
MOBILE - High-Tech Ordering Becoming the Norm at Both Mainstream and Fast-Food Restaurants
BLOGPOST: It’s probably not too far fetched now to predict that in the near future – at least within the next decade or so according to some studies and experts – you might be served by R2D2, or a similar robotic food service entity. Yes, numerous restaurants, especially those of the fast-food variety, are rapidly embracing
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10. PN1597 — 110th Congress (2007-2008) — Lt. Gen. William M. Fraser III — Air Force One nomination, beginning with Lt. Gen. William M. Fraser III, and ending with Lt. Gen. William M. Fraser III Date Received from President: 04/23/2008 Committee: Armed Services Latest Action: 07/14/2008 - Received message of withdrawal of nomination from the President. (All Actions)
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Don Christensen/Producer
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Bat-Mite (New Adventures of Batman)/Appearances
James Gordon (New Adventures of Batman)/Appearances
Joker (New Adventures of Batman)/Appearances
Giggles (New Adventures of Batman)/Appearances
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New Adventures of Batman (TV Series) Season 1
New Adventures of Batman (TV Series) Episodes
New Adventures of Batman (TV Series) Episode: The Pest
"The Pest"
New Adventures of Batman
Don Towsley
Chuck Menville
Len Janson
Lou Scheimer
Norm Prescott
Don Christensen
— "The Moonman"
At his mansion hideout, the Joker reads something amusing in the Daily News. Cackling, he embraces his pet hyena Giggles, while pondering a new criminal scheme.
Appearing in "The Pest"
Batman (First appearance)
Robin (First appearance)
Bat-Mite (First appearance)
Commissioner Gordon (First appearance)
Joker (First appearance)
Giggles (First appearance)
Julius Irwin (Single appearance)
Gotham City Civic Center
Gotham City Convention Center
Gotham Harbor
Gotham City Police Headquarters
Joker's Hideout
Wayne Manor
Batarangs
Bat-Computer
Bat-Signal
Batboat
Batgyro
Aquacar (Single appearance)
Synopsis for "The Pest"
At Wayne Manor, Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson play Pong (a video game) on the bat-computer. Bruce wins, and as a result of previously arranged wager, Dick is now saddled with cooking dinner. He tells Bruce that he's going to prepare his special dish - peanut butter and sardine pie. As Bruce groans his displeasure, an alert signal from Commissioner Gordon goes off, and the two race down to the Batcave to answer the call. When they arrive in the cave in costume, Batman sees that someone has been tampering with their equipment. He has a nagging suspicion as to who the culprit might be. From out of nowhere, the impish Bat-Mite suddenly appears in the cave. Batman and Robin have dealt with this pest before. Bat-Mite is bored in his home dimension and wants to aid the dynamic duo in solving crimes. Batman is more concerned with Commissioner Gordon's urgent summons and has little patience for Bat-Mite. After shooing Bat-Mite away, Batman and Robin get into the Batmobile and drive to police headquarters.
When they arrive at police headquarters, Commissioner Gordon shows them a video-taped broadcast of the Joker. The Joker announces that he will soon be committing another of his nefarious crimes and challenges Batman and Robin to stop him. While taunting the caped crusaders, the Joker leaves them with a clue to his crime, "Oil and water don't mix". Bat-Mite suddenly appears in Commissioner Gordon's office and irritates everyone in the room. Batman has little time to entertain Bat-Mite. They only have an hour to prevent the Joker's next crime.
Batman and Robin return to the Batcave, but Bat-Mite follows them. Batman forcibly removes Bat-Mite from the cave and tells him, "Don't call us. We'll call you". Robin searches the bat-computer for clues, but turns up nothing. Batman finds a newspaper article about a scientist named Doctor Julius Irwin who is unveiling his new "Aquacar", a vehicle that runs on water instead of gasoline. Batman knows that this is where the Joker is going to strike. They decide to inform the commissioner immediately.
Bat-Mite meanwhile, still determined to help, elects to stop the Joker himself. He hops into the Batmobile and tries to turn it on. After punching a series of buttons, Bat-Mite activates all of the Batmobile's accessories including hydro-lift wheels and grappling hooks. Batman and Robin run after him and deactivate the Batmobile by way of remote control. Batman admonishes Bat-Mite once again and drives off to see the commissioner.
Gordon, Batman and Robin go to the Gotham City Convention Center. Professor Irwin unveils his aquacar and demonstrates its capabilities. Batman and Robin think the professor is acting strange, and after noticing an odd-shaped ring on his finger, determine that this is really the Joker in disguise. They prepare to ambush them, but Bat-Mite arrives and sabotages their sneak-attack. The Joker hopes into his Aquacar and takes off. The caped crusaders fail to stop him, but they find the real Professor Irwin tied up in a tool shed. Irwin warns them that unless certain conditions are met, the Aquacar will explode. Unfortunately, the blow to the head he suffered from the Joker has addled Irwin's brain, and he cannot remember the specifics that will cause the vehicle to explode.
Later at police headquarters, Commissioner Gordon receives another video message from the Joker. The Joker taunts the police force to stop him, and Batman realizes that the message is being broadcast from right outside. Several officers run into the yard in search of the Joker. When they open the doors to their squad cars however, gallons of water begin flooding out, sending the officers to the ground. Batman and Robin chase the Joker and the Aquacar. They try to stop him using gadgets from their utility belts. The trick almost works, but for the intervention of Bat-Mite. Bat-Mite's well-meaning, but unwelcome assistance accidentally enables the Joker to get away.
Batman and Robin return to police headquarters to speak with Professor Irwin. Irwin remembers what will trigger the car to explode - salt. If salt mixes with the water in the engine, it will convert the water to atomic energy, which will cause the vehicle to detonate; the more water present in the area, the greater the explosion. Batman and Robin have little time to waste. They theorize that he may be hiding out in the waterfront district. The salt air from the river poses a great threat if it comes into contact with the vehicle.
Robin takes the Batboat to the waterfront in search of the Joker. Bat-Mite shows up and Robin tells him to go away. Bat-Mite begins crying, and Robin finally relents. He tells him he can stay if he promises not to do anything. Bat-Mite agrees, but soon decides to investigate on his own. While sneaking about the docks, he encounters the Joker's hyena Giggles. Giggles nabs Bat-Mite and brings him back to the Joker's hideout on a freighter ship.
The Joker then captures Robin with a fishing net. He removes his wrist communicator, and disguising his voice to sound like Robin, he calls Batman and tells him where he is at. The unsuspecting Batman tells Robin/Joker that he will meet him at Pier 7. Inside the hold of the ship, Robin grows worried that Batman is walking into a trap. He manages to activate his miniature bat-signal ring projector and alerts Batman to the trouble. Batman sees the signal and hits the ejection switch on the Batmobile. The ejector seat transforms into a bat-gyro and flies out to the other side of the pier. He manages to sneak up behind the Joker and captures him with a net. Commissioner Gordon and several police officers arrive to take the Joker into custody. Batman goes into the hold of the ship and frees Robin and Bat-Mite.
That evening, Bruce and Dick sit down for dinner at Wayne Manor. Bat-Mite appears and Dick gives him a serving of his peanut butter and sardine pie. Bat-Mite slurps the entire dish down and grows instantly ill. Looking more green than usual, Bat-Mite disappears. Bruce asks for a serving of pie. Robin recalls that Bruce hated his cooking, but he responds by saying that he loves anything that is capable of keeping Bat-Mite away.
First animated appearance of Bat-Mite. Although Bat-Mite is new to this series, the context of his dialogue with Batman and Robin indicates that he has shared in adventures with them in the past.
The morality lesson from this episode reveals how Professor Irwin was so concerned with his own success and self-esteem, that he recklessly endangered the lives of innocent civilians. Bat-Mite learned a lesson as well - if Robin is cooking dinner, he will make certain to eat elsewhere.
Batman's chest insignia disappears briefly during a scene in the Batcave when he is trying to apprehend Bat-Mite.
Robin's watch and belt buckle disappear at various points throughout the episode.
Batman's glove is miscolored in one scene where he is driving the Batmobile on his way to save Robin.
The Joker can perform a perfect imitation of Robin's voice.
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Tag Archives: NHSX
Outline National Strategy for Information Technology in Health and Care (DHSC / BBC News / NHS England / NIHR / HEE / WHO / SMF / CQC)
Summary Matt Hancock, Health and Social Care Secretary, has announced the latest vision for IT modernisation in the NHS, This will involve moving applications / data to cloud-based services, and technical standards which will allow NHS IT systems to be … Continue reading →
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PS/W
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Catalogue description PETTY SESSIONS RECORDS: WALLINGFORD BOROUGH
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PETTY SESSIONS RECORDS: WALLINGFORD BOROUGH
COURT IN SESSION: court minutes, 1867-1954; court papers, 1809-1845; court registers, 1880-1954; juvenile court register, 1936-1954; informations and complaints, 1951; security book, 1880-1892; probation officer's report, 1945.; REGISTRATION AND DEPOSIT: registers of alehouse licences, 1872-1953; licensing maps, c.1930s-c.1944; register of clubs, 1919-1962; licensing papers, 1934-1947; register of premises licensed to keep explosives, 1904-1915, 1954-1959.; ADMINISTRATION: fines and fees accounts, 1920-1948; judicial oaths, 1901-1946..
Berkshire Record Office, not available at The National Archives
Wallingford Borough Petty Sessional Division
Deposited in November 1951 (acc. 458 (part)), May 1966 (acc. 1210), July 1972
(acc. 1754 (part)), November 1972 (acc. 1775).
Accs. 458 (part), 1754 (part), 1775: 1/1-13; 1A/1-6; 2/1-4; 4/1; 5/1,2; 8/1; 10/1; 14/1,2; 14A/1-3; 16/1; 17/1; 20/1; 24/1.
Acc.: 1210: 26/1.
Wallingford, Berkshire
Administrative / biographical background:
Note on the boundaries of jurisdiction
In 1855, Wallingford borough covered the parishes of St Leonard, St Mary le More, and St Peter, it also included the Castle precincts and parts of the parish of All Hallows.
The borough boundary was subsequently extended on 1 April 1934, by an order made by the Minister of Health under the Local Government Act 1929 S46, to include parts of the civil parishes of Brightwell and Clapcot.
On 1 May 1954, the borough petty sessions were amalgamated with Moreton division, to form Moreton and Wallingford division.
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Get The Dish
Hold the pickles onions and the razor blade.
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Category : Burgers
Burger King – not your Best Burger!
A Burger King customer, in Willits, Calif., a tiny town in Northern California’s Mendocino County bit into a cheeseburger that she ordered and discovered a razor blade nestled between the cheese and the burger.
Of course the police investigated and they discovered that the incident wasn’t the result of some dastardly deed, but of a questionable internal policy by the local Burger King franchisee, which permitted loose razor blades used for cleaning to be kept in the food preparation area.
The good news: The woman who bit on the burger on June 2, Yolanda Orozco, a local resident, is OK. “Somebody is very careless at Burger King,” she told local TV station KXTV. “I was in shock.”
“Food safety is a top priority for Burger King restaurant globally,” says spokesman Miguel Piedra., in a statement. “Burger King Corp’s strict food handling procedures clearly outline that razor blades are not permitted in or near food preparation areas at any time.”
Burger King should act immediately to “clean up its act,” says Larry L. Smith, a senior consultant at the Institute for Crisis Management. What’s more, in a world of social media, it needs to learn to respond more quickly.
Smith says that he used to urge clients to respond within six hours of an incident. A few years ago, he changed that to one hour.
Dish on Market can confirm that razor blades are not one of the ingredients in Dish on Market’s Burgers. Perhaps that was why Dish on Market was named best burger, in Louisville, and not Burger King.
The views expressed in this post are those of Mr Smith, Louisville’s Digital Marketing Expert and not of the establishment of Dish on Market.
Tags: best burger, burger, louisville burger
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Yung Berg ft. Junior, Jim Jones & Rich Boy - Sexy Lady (Remix)
Artist: Yung Berg
Track: Sexy Lady (Remix) ft. Junior, Jim Jones & Rich Boy
Feat. Jim Jones, Rich Boy, DJ Khaled
Producer: Rob Holladay & JFK
Album: Look What You Made Me
Emerging artist Yung Berg is about to hit the airwaves with his debut album, Look What You Made Me, due for release at the end of this summer. This remix of his first single, Sexy Lady, features Jim Jones and Rich Boy, and is somewhat disjointed. Although this song makes good use of some excellent samples – anything that incorporates John Barry is off to a good start – there is no common thread to tie these awesome hooks together. There is a lot of potential in this remix, but its execution is all over the map. Still, the "The Prince of the Chi" had some good ideas on this track, and it will be interesting to hear more from him.
Yung BergJim JonesDJ KhaledRich Boy
Yung Berg ft. Junior - Sexy Lady
Yung Berg ft. Casha, Pleasure P, Twista, Maino, Jim Jones & Cap One - Tha Business (Remix)
Rich Boy ft. Andre 3000, Jim Jones, Nelly, Murphy Lee, & The Game - Throw Some D's (Remix)
Yung Berg ft. Twista - Where Do We Go
Alex Young ft. Yung Berg - Cold (Remix)
Ray J ft. Yung Berg - Sexy Can I
Yung Berg ft. Lloyd - Manager
Yung Berg ft. Lil' Wayne - Gettin' To That Money
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A mother and daughter in Queens are fighting eviction and the deportation of the father of the family after fleeing violence in Honduras, June 21, 2019. Credit: Ben Fractenberg
Documented and The City Win an EPPY Award
The co-reported story won Best Collaborative Investigative/Enterprise Reporting
Published on Nov 18, 2019 2:35PM EST
Max Siegelbaum @maxsiegelbaum
Co-founding Editor and Senior Reporter at Documented.
Thousands of New York families are irreparably changed every year when their loved ones are detained or deported by the Department of Homeland Security.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrests in New York are well documented, but the affects of detention and deportation are less examined. Documented and The City followed A.M. and M.F., a couple from Honduras who are experiencing the aftermath of a raid. A.M. was violently arrested by ICE agents in 2019 at his home in Rego Park, Queens. The arrest threw the family into a tailspin, who having just arrived to New York City recently after fleeing extreme violence in Honduras, was already facing insurmountable challenges.
Documented’s Mazin Sidahmed and The City’s Claudia Irizarry Aponte, followed the family for six months, interviewing them for hours and following A.M.’s immigration court hearings. The resulting story was published on both newsrooms websites and won an award from Editor & Publisher magazine for Best Collaborative Investigative/Enterprise Reporting for newsrooms with under 1 million unique monthly visitors.
Newsletter Primary category in which blog post is published
Early Arrival: ICE Officials Spar with New York Over Murder Case
Mazin Sidahmed
Friday's Edition of Early Arrival: City Council to Consider Noncitizen Voting — Iranian Student Deported Despite Court Order — Trump Administration Set to Expand Travel Ban
Published on Jan 22, 2020 8:25AM EST
Early Arrival: Bill Calls for Legal Representation for Immigrant New Yorkers Facing Deportation
Max Siegelbaum
Friday's Edition of Early Arrival: Deported Immigration Advocate Files First Amendment Lawsuit — Airline Forces U.S.-Bound Passenger to Take Pregnancy Test — House Committee Calls for MPP Investigation
Early Arrival: ICE Courthouse Arrests Persist Despite Court Directive
Contact Us at info@documentedny.com
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COOGAN’S BLUFF(director: Don Siegel; screenwriters: Herman Miller/Dean Riesner/Howard Rodman/based on a story by Mr. Miller; cinematographer: Bud Thackery; editor: Sam E. Waxman; music: Lalo Schifrin; cast: Clint Eastwood (Walt Coogan), Lee J. Cobb (Lt. McElroy), Don Stroud (Ringerman), Susan Clark (Julie Roth), Tisha Sterling (Linny Raven), Tom Tully (Sheriff McCrea), Betty Field (Mrs. Ringerman), Melodie Johnson (Millie), Rudy Diaz (Running Bear), David F. Doyle (Pushie), Marjorie Bennett (Mrs. Fowler), Louis Zorich (Taxi Driver), Eve Brent (Hooker); Runtime: 94; MPAA Rating: R; producer: Don Siegel; Universal; 1968)
“A wry humored cop thriller.”
The first film Don Siegel (“Riot in Cell Block Eleven”/”Madigan”/”The Killers”) made with Clint Eastwood is a wry humored cop thriller about a country boy lone-wolf rogue deputy who comes to the big city and surprises the city slickers by outsmarting them at their own ‘cops and robbers’ game and beating the city’s bureaucratic red tape. It’s based on a story by Herman Miller, and is tautly written by Mr. Miller, Dean Riesner and Howard Rodman. This film, which has the artificial look of a TV program (too many exteriors were shot on the backlot of Universal), inspired the hit TV show McCloud, as well as revolutionized the slick, comical and violent way mainstream crime dramas were made—being a precursor to Dirty Harry (1971).
Arizona Deputy Sheriff Coogan (Clint Eastwood) is the self-reliant rural lawman who captures in the desert the rifle-toting renegade Navajo who killed his wife on the reservation and instead of bringing him in right away for arrest, cuffs him to his girlfriend Millie’s front porch so he can get a quickie. But an irate Sheriff McCrea comes upon the scene and immediately gives his deputy the dirty assignment of the extradition of NYC resident Ringerman (Don Stroud), a dangerous felon wanted in Arizona—someone Coogan arrested. Coogan, the strapping handsome deputy, comes by taxi, where’s he’s cheated on the fare, to the shabby 23rd precinct at 104th Street to pick up Ringerman. It’s a landmark area in Manhattan, now a slum, that has parks that overlook the old Polo Grounds, where the NY Giants once played baseball before moving to San Francisco—an area ironically known to old-time baseball fans with great nostalgia as Coogan’s Bluff. The harried, cynical Lt. McElroy (Lee J. Cobb) informs him that his prisoner is being treated at Bellevue Hospital from an overdose of LSD and cannot be moved until the doctors release him. Killing time with incompetent do-gooder probation officer Julie Roth (Susan Clark), someone he met in the precinct house, hoping to get in her pants, the deputy soon becomes impatient with her phony concerns for her cases and that the sexually liberal broad refuses to jump in the sack with him, and bolts away from her to bluff the attendants at Bellevue into handing Ringerman over to him. At the airport, he’s jumped from behind by Ringerman’s Hollywood-styled hippie freaked-out teenaged girlfriend Linny Raven (Tisha Sterling) and beaten unconscious by a pool hall owner thug named Pushie (David F. Doyle). With his gun stolen and the Arizona sheriff notified, Coogan is taken off the assignment and warned by McElroy to go home. But the determined Coogan uses his country boy smarts to get on the trail of Ringerman, which leads to him visiting Ringerman’s sleazy mother (Betty Field), a psychedelic-themed nightclub called The Pigeon-Toed Orange Peel, getting into a blood-drenched brawl fought with billiard balls and cue sticks with around a dozen thugs in a pool hall and knocking several of them unconscious—including a bloodied Pushie, and forcing the demented Linny, coincidentally one of Julie’s jailbird clients, to lead him to Ringerman’s hiding place in the Cloisters. Armed with the deputy’s stolen gun, Ringerman attempts to escape by motorcycle but is chased down in the park by the vigilante Coogan and tackled before being pummeled. Just then McElroy and his men arrive, and the deputy makes a citizen’s arrest. It ends with the self-satisfied deputy taking his prisoner back to Arizona from a helicopter atop the Pan Am Building, that will take him to the airport.
The main thing that occupies Siegel’s raunchy film, is the interaction of the quiet heroic cowboy-dressed Coogan and his disapproving reaction to the cantankerous hard-bitten New Yorkers (who mockingly call him either “Wyatt,” “Buffalo Bill,” or “Tex”) and its perverted hippie scene, which offered no resemblance to the peace-loving hip city hippies but nevertheless had a most amusing kookiness to it.
REVIEWED ON 5/24/2008 GRADE: B+
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EDGE OF TOMORROW (director: Doug Liman; screenwriters: Christopher McQuarrie/Jez/ John-Henry Butterworth/based on the novel “All You Need Is Kill,” by Hiroshi Sakurazaka; cinematographer: Dion Beebe; editor: James Herbert; music: Christophe Beck; cast: Tom Cruise (Cage), Emily Blunt (Rita), Bill Paxton (Master Sgt. Farell), Brendan Gleeson (General Brigham), Jonas Armstrong (Skinner), Tony Way (Kimmel), Kick Gurry (Griff), Franz Drameh (Ford), Dragomir Mrsic (Kuntz), Charlotte Riley (Nance); Runtime: 113; MPAA Rating: PG-13; producers: Erwin Stoff/Tom Lassally/Jeffrey Silver/Gregory Jacobs/Jason Hoffs; Warner Bros. Pictures; 2014)
“It’s “Groundhog Day” except it features Tom Cruise instead of Bill Murray, which can’t make it better.”
Doug Liman (“Swingers”/”Go”/”The Bourne Identity”) directs a sci-fi take on “Groundhog Day.” The derivative film is based on the illustrated Japanese novella “All You Need Is Kill” by Hiroshi Sakurazaka, and is cleverly written by Christopher McQuarrie, Jez and John-Henry Butterworth. It’s “Groundhog Day” except it features Tom Cruise instead of Bill Murray, which can’t make it better. The story is about CGI created gigantic spidery alien invaders trying to destroy Europe (it wistfully turns D-Day into a futuristic high-tech aerial assault on Normandy).
In the near future, the wormy, cowardly and unprincipled American Major William Cage (Tom Cruise) is a military PR officer who is unwillingly recruited by a European commander, General Brigham (Brendan Gleeson), into a doomed combat beach mission in France against giant marauders. The reluctant Cage is arrested for desertion and assigned to the combat unit of the no-nonsense Master Sgt. Farell (Bill Paxton) at Forward Operating Base Heathrow in London, where he’s outfitted with a computerized exoskeleton that if properly operated turns the combatant into a fighting robot. When killed instantly on the beach landing, wearing his combat armor, which he cannot operate, Cage is tossed into a time loop whereby he repeatedly relives that moment as he gets thrown into the same attack and keeps getting killed except each time he lasts a bit longer. The trick is finding a way to finally exit the time travel loop, which Liman manages to do via movie magic hokum and leaves us with a conclusion that left me more frustrated than sated.
All the recurring time loops gave me a headache, a self-defacing Cruise, for me, is still annoying despite tamping down his usual action-picture MO. Co-star Emily Blunt is fine as an international warrior commando legend fighting the alien race called Mimics, who will become the teacher of Cage on how to become a master combatant. But their developing love story, a major part of the summer blockbuster action movie, never left me jumping out of my skin for joy.
REVIEWED ON 6/6/2014 GRADE: C+
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May 2, 2013, 1:45:41 AM (7 years ago)
Add ideas about the standard repositories and their maintenance.
Obsolete/MovedToTree/PackageManagement/Infrastructure
A software repository is a collection of packages, usually accessible via the internet. Haiku's package management solution allows to refer to any number of software repositories from which packages can be downloaded and installed. The structure of the respository is very simple. It's just a set of files which can be downloaded via a common protocol (HTTP or FTP). One file is the repository index file in [wiki:PackageManagement/FileFormat#HaikuPackageRepositoryFormat HPKR format]. It lists all packages that are available in the repository together with their descriptions and dependency information. It is downloaded and cached, allowing user interfaces to show the information and the dependency solver to do the computation locally. The other files are the individual package files.
The details of how changes are made to a repository (when packages shall be added, replaced, or removed) have not been decided on yet. Most likely the server side will be kept very simple by having the preparation been done on the client side. That means the client would compute the new repository index file, upload all new files including the index file, and finally tell the server to switch to the new index.
=== Standard Repositories ===
There are two standard repositories for Haiku:
* the Haiku repository, which only contains the small set of packages that is built by Haiku's build system (haiku.hpkg, haiku_devel.hpkg, etc.) and
* the HaikuPorts repository, which contains the packages maintained by HaikuPorts.
For the different builds and releases there are different instances of those two repositories:
* There are snapshot repository instances for any repository version that was ever available (to save space old versions may be removed/thinned out). Those repositories will never be updated. Their main purpose is to be able to retrospectively get a certain Haiku version for testing and comparisons.
* For each official major release there will be an instance of the two repositories. For small updates the repositories will simply be updated. An official Haiku release is pre-configured with the corresponding repositories, so that the user can conveniently keep their Haiku up-to-date. The update to the next major release has to be requested explicitly.
* Similar to the nightly images there are repository instances that are continuously updated to the latest head of development. Those are suitable mainly for testers and developers.
* For each state of the HaikuPorts repository a Haiku development revision refers to a snapshot version of the repository is created. This allows to check out and build older Haiku revisions with their corresponding HaikuPorts packages.
The repositories are maintained via files in the Haiku git repository. For each architecture and each repository the Haiku git repository contains a file listing the packages for that repository. For the HaikuPorts repositories the packages are listed with the respective version. For the Haiku repositories the version is implied.
Whenever a developer wants to update or add a HaikuPorts package, the new package file has to be uploaded to their vmrepo.haiku-os.org account and the package list file for the repository has to be adjusted accordingly. A helper script is provided to perform both steps. Afterward the change needs to be committed and pushed to vmrepo.haiku-os.org. The push hook on the server analyzes the change, moves the new package file from the developer's account to the repository directory, and builds a new repository snapshot. If the package file is missing or broken, the push is rejected with a message notifying the developer about the problem.
The creation and update of repositories for official releases has to be triggered explicitly on the server. In either case the Haiku repository is built by the build service.
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January 7, 2020, 11:26 GMT-0500 Dota 2
Monkeys-forever pulls off an escape against 3 opponents in the top lane trees in Dota 2
Never doubt a crafty monkey.
Cale Michael
Photo by Jennika Ojala via DreamHack
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Being rushed down by your opponents in any game isn’t a good time. But in Dota 2, taking on more than one opponent even by accident is usually just asking for death depending on the circumstance.
Despite being in an awful situation where the enemy Ursa was right on top of him, professional Dota player Jaron “monkeys-forever” Clinton showed that you should never underestimate just how crafty a monkey surrounded by trees can be during a recent stream.
Clip of monkeys_forever Playing Dota 2 – Clipped by Wrimere21
While pushing a lane solo on Lifestealer, monkeys-forever was trying to outmaneuver several of his opponents to gain some ground and steal a Bounty Rune from the enemy’s side of the map. At first, he seemed to avoid confrontation with the Ursa he called out earlier and proceeded to steal the rune before the opposing Lion could cut him off.
As he made his escape, the Ursa managed to get in front of him and trap him as the enemy Doom also approached, ready to end his life and move on with the game. But one stun wasn’t enough to keep the pro down. He escaped the duo and led them into the thick forest of trees that surrounds the upper portion of the map.
You could hear how quickly he was clicking his mouse as he zigged and zagged throughout the trees, losing the Ursa and then cutting back to ensure that he wouldn’t be called out again. At less than a fourth of his full health, monkeys watched as the Ursa ran around and re-entered the forest before moving out of range again.
He started his recall and came just inches away from being discovered and taken down, but managed to pull off the great escape with only the Ursa even close to where he just was. Once back in the base, monkeys just grinned at the camera and told his viewers to “know your trees” before continuing on with the match.
This is a perfect example of how knowing the smallest details of a map could save you from imminent death in a Dota 2 match.
Sure, most of the reason monkeys didn’t die there was because he was able to outmaneuver his opponents, but that never would’ve happened if he didn’t know the optimal positions to view outside of the forest without compromising his spots. That’s one monkey who really knows his way around his habitat.
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ALBUM REVIEW: Aldous Harding – Designer
On August 20, 2019 August 20, 2019 By Doubtful SoundsIn Album Covers, Album Reviews, Experimental, Folk, Video
4Ad / Remote Control
Aldous Harding’s artistic trajectory continues to billow skyward on her third album, the second produced by John Parish for the 4AD label. Long gone is the stark and fragile folk of her debut, though it still lurks under the surface of what is now lush and detailed avant chanteuse pop music.
The quirkiness of Harding’s vocal delivery has always been debated but it is a crucial component of what makes her music so compelling. She’s dialled it back on this album, ironing out some of the quirks and as a result the overall impact of this record feels slightly diluted. That’s not to say there aren’t plenty of highlights. Early on, the title track is a light tripping affair with a brief chorus that dismantles the flow and gentle funk feel (reminiscent of Devendra Banhart) before it resumes for a summery run to the end of a song that seems to question the retention and spark of creativity.
Baroque psych folk sounds enhance much of the record and come courtesy of woodwind instruments on songs such as ‘Zoo Eyes’ while ‘Treasure’ draws Harding’s vocals to the foreground. It’s good to see that the focus remains on Harding and her voice and that any temptation to make thing bigger and busier have, for the most part, been resisted.
First single ‘The Barrel’ is prime Harding with its almost hip hop backbeat over a brass sounding instrument and piano, which features widely across Designer. The song deals in issues of conformity, settling down and having parameters placed on one’s situation. Much of the album seems to one of questioning and doubt, looking for a strong moral compass to guide one through the vagaries and vulnerabilities of life. “I don’t know how to behave” Harding sings on the exquisite closer ‘Pilot’. Riding on a Tears For Fears melody and a bare piano she intones her concerns and fears. It may be decorated in almost theatrical avant-folk details but it’s a remarkably bold statement to end another strong and intriguing album from the New Zealand songwriter.
Chris Familton
2019Album ReviewAldous HardingDesignerFixture Picture
NEW MUSIC: Holy Void – I Will Never Be Again
NEW MUSIC: Reunion Island – Erasto Dream
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Fluconazole versus Candida albicans: A Complex Relationship
John R. Graybill, Eleanor Montalbo, William R. Kirkpatrick, Michael F. Luther, Sanjay G. Revankar, Thomas F. Patterson
John R. Graybill
Division of Infectious Diseases, The University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio, 1 and Infectious Diseases Section, The Audie Murphy Memorial Veterans Hospital, 2 San Antonio, Texas 78284
Eleanor Montalbo
Infectious Diseases Section, The Audie Murphy Memorial Veterans Hospital, 2 San Antonio, Texas 78284
William R. Kirkpatrick
Division of Infectious Diseases, The University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio, 1 and
Michael F. Luther
Sanjay G. Revankar
Thomas F. Patterson
DOI: 10.1128/AAC.42.11.2938
A murine model of systemic candidiasis was used to assess the virulence of serial Candida albicans strains for which fluconazole MICs were increasing. Serial isolates from five patients with 17 episodes of oropharyngeal candidiasis were evaluated. The MICs for these isolates exhibited at least an eightfold progressive increase from susceptible (MIC < 8 μg/ml; range, 0.25 to 4 μg/ml) to resistant (MIC ≥ 16 μg/ml; range, 16 to ≥128 μg/ml). Virulence of the serial isolates from three of five patients showed a more than fivefold progressive decrease in the dose accounting for 50% mortality and was associated with development of fluconazole resistance. Low doses of fluconazole prolonged survival of mice infected with susceptible yeasts but failed to prolong survival following challenge with a resistant strain. In addition, a decreased burden of renal infection was noted in mice challenged with two of the three resistant strains. This was consistent with reduced virulence. Fluconazole did not further decrease the level of infection. In the isolates with a decrease in virulence, two exhibited overexpression of CDR, which encodes an ABC drug efflux pump. In contrast, serial isolates from the remaining two patients with the development of resistance did not demonstrate a change in virulence and fluconazole remained effective in prolonging survival, although significantly higher doses of fluconazole were required for efficacy. Resistant isolates from both of these patients exhibited overexpression of MDR. This study demonstrates that decreased virulence of serial C. albicans isolates is associated with increasing fluconazole MICs in some cases but not in others and shows that these low-virulence strains may not consistently cause infection.
Antifungal susceptibility testing has been recently standardized for yeasts. The currently used National Committee for Clinical Laboratory Standards macrobroth and microbroth methods allow for comparison of identical yeast isolates in different laboratories and also allow for serial testing of isolates recovered from one patient in one laboratory (17,18). The ultimate value of such testing lies both in facilitating communication among laboratories and in determining whether test results offer some correlation with clinical outcome from antifungal therapy. There is some correlation of fluconazole in vitro susceptibility with fluconazole clinical response (1, 13, 14,19). In oropharyngeal candidiasis, an in vitro MIC of ≤8 μg/ml is associated with clinical responses of more than 90% to a daily dose of 100 mg. MICs of 16 and 32 μg/ml are associated with responses to higher doses of fluconazole, while a MIC of >64 μg/ml may be associated with failures at doses exceeding 400 mg per day. However, some patients with in vitro resistant organisms respond to lower doses of fluconazole. In a population of 43 patients, Revankar et al. (16) observed the development of fluconazole-resistantCandida albicans isolates in 7 of 15 patients treated with continuous suppressive therapy and in 11 of 28 patients treated with fluconazole only for active thrush. Although 20 of 43 patients required increasing doses for treatment of thrush, only 2 patients developed fluconazole refractory thrush. Higher fluconazole doses were frequently, but not always, required in patients with less-susceptible yeasts. These findings suggest that factors other than in vitro susceptibility may be important in response to therapy, including changes in host immune response, virulence of the organisms, or other factors not yet defined.
In an initial study of two serial isolates with identical DNA patterns obtained from a patient with first responsive and then refractory thrush, we found that the isolate obtained from the patient with refractory thrush was resistant both in vitro and also in an animal model of candidemia (6). However, it was not clear whether this response could be generalized to other patients. Accordingly, in the present study, we expanded murine studies of virulence and response to fluconazole for serial C. albicans isolates from five human immunodeficiency virus-positive patients with recurrent thrush.
Selection of isolates.Fungal isolates were chosen from five patients. Isolates were chosen at various times during a course in which increasing doses of fluconazole were required to achieve clinical response. Serial isolates obtained from each patient reflected the majority population of Candida isolated from the mouth of each patient at the time of culture. All five patients responded to fluconazole at doses of 800 mg/day or less. Strain identity was determined by pulsed-field gel analysis of chromosomal DNA and by restriction fragment length polymorphisms as described previously (15).
In vitro testing.The National Committee for Clinical Laboratory Standards procedure for fluconazole susceptibility testing was used, with macrobroth MICs at both 24 and 48 h of incubation reported (16, 17).
Animal model.ICR outbred male mice weighing approximately 30 g each were used. Groups of five mice were caged together and given food and water ad libitum. For survival experiments, unmanipulated mice were initially infected intravenously withC. albicans at 106 CFU/mouse and observed for up to 30 days for survival. As it became apparent that there was a wide range of survival, even among isolates obtained from the same patient, we further characterized each isolate for virulence using the LD50, defined by probit analysis as the dose which accounted for 50% mortality. We measured LD50 at 8 days after infection in order to assess acute mortality. For these studies, groups of five mice for each dose were infected with C. albicans intravenously at 5 × 104, 1 × 105, 5 × 105, 1 × 106, 5 × 106, 1 × 107, or 5 × 107 CFU of C. albicans/mouse.
Because some isolates did not kill mice by 8 days after infection, even with an infecting dose of 5 × 107 CFU/mouse, we elected to compare responses to fluconazole with immune suppressed mice given a standard inoculum of 106 CFU/mouse. For these experiments, we pretreated mice with 5-fluorouracil (150 mg/kg of body weight) given intravenously 1 day before infection. This reduces the peripheral blood neutrophil count to <100 CFU per μl for about 10 days. We considered that immune suppression would reduce the contribution of host defense to outcome and provide a further measure of virulence of the fungal isolates. Mice were infected intravenously. One day after infection, mice were randomly assigned to groups of 10 for treatment with either 0.3% Noble agar (control) or fluconazole at 1, 3, or 5 mg/kg twice daily by gavage in a 0.2-ml volume. Separate controls were used for each experimental group. Mice found moribund were sacrificed, and death was recorded as occurring on the next day. Treatment of mice was continued from day 1 through 10, and observation for survival was continued through day 30.
For study of renal tissue burden, immune competent mice were infected intravenously with approximately 106 CFU of C. albicans per mouse and treated from days 1 through 7 with fluconazole at 5 mg/kg twice daily by gavage. Controls received 0.3% Noble agar. On day 8, mice were sacrificed. Both kidneys were removed aseptically and homogenized in 2 ml of sterile saline, and tissue burden was determined by colony count dilutions using 0.1-ml aliquots. Where there were no counts in the initial culture dilution, the entire 2-ml volume was cultured to determine total organ tissue sterility.
Analysis.The Wilcoxon test of life tables and log rank tests were used for comparison of survival times. Tukey’s standardized range test was used for comparisons of tissue counts. A P of <0.05 was required for confirmation of statistical significance. Probit analysis with best fit was used to determine the LD50 of C. albicans. A rise of LD50 was defined as decreased virulence. We arbitrarily defined an LD50 of <5 × 106 CFU/mouse as a highly virulent isolate.
Patients were selected on the basis of initially responding to a dose of 100 mg of fluconazole per day, then failing this dose, and requiring higher doses, up to 800 mg/day, for successful treatment of thrush. Isolates from each patient were characterized; these data are presented in the tables. Table 1 characterizes the isolates from each patient according to the date of collection of each isolate, dose of fluconazole needed to achieve clinical response, and DNA subtype of the isolate (12). In addition, virulence of the isolate by LD50 (see Table 1), response of neutropenic mice to 1 or 5 mg/kg twice daily, as measured by prolonged survival compared with that of untreated controls (see Table 2), and response of immune competent mice to fluconazole at 5 mg/kg twice daily, as measured by reduction of renal tissue counts (see Table 3), are shown. Additional experiments studying the effect of decreasing the dose on survival were done; the dose was decreased to a minimum of 0.1 mg/kg given twice daily for isolates from two patients (see Table 2).
As assessed by DNA typing of Candida isolates obtained at different dates from the same patient, the same unique isolate was recovered serially from each patient. Five patients and the 17 isolates from these patients were studied. Three patients (patients 7, 14, and 43) showed a marked rise in LD50 to >5 × 107 CFU/mouse in four isolates (Table1). In each of these patients, low-virulence isolates correlated with increasing MICs. The 48-h MICs for the initial isolates were 0.5, 4, and 0.25 μg/ml, while the MICs of serial isolates with decreased virulence rose to >128, 32, and >128 μg/ml, respectively.
Characterization of C. albicans isolates obtained from patients 7, 14, 43, 9, and 40 treated with fluconazole
In patients 7 and 14, the in vivo response to fluconazole correlated with the in vitro MIC. Both the 1- and 5-mg/kg doses of fluconazole prolonged survival in the susceptible isolates but low-dose fluconazole at 1 mg/kg failed to prolong survival of neutropenic mice with the resistant isolate from patient 7 and at both 1 and 5 mg/kg in the resistant isolate from patient 14 (Table2). In addition, fluconazole at 5 mg/kg did not significantly reduce the renal tissue counts of immune competent mice infected with fluconazole-resistant isolates from patients 7 and 14 (Table 3). Notably, these isolates from both patients 7 and 14 produced renal counts in untreated control mice which were significantly lower than for the earlier, more-virulent isolates. In isolates from patient 43, which were identical by DNA typing, decreased virulence was also observed with the resistant strain and fluconazole at 1 mg/kg twice daily failed to prolong survival. However, the resistant strain produced a significant renal burden in controls, which was reduced with fluconazole therapy at 5 mg/kg/dose.
Survival of neutropenic mice infected with isolates from different patientsa
Total kidney burdens of micea
In isolates 1907 (MIC = 8 μg/ml) and 2307 (MIC > 128 μg/ml) from patient 7 and isolates 1831 (MIC = 8 μg/ml) and 2183 (MIC > 128 μg/ml) from patient 43, overexpression ofCDR, encoding an ABC drug efflux pump, was detected but none exhibited overexpression of MDR (12). Decreased virulence as assessed by LD50 was seen in three of those four strains. In isolate 2438 (MIC = 32 μg/ml) from patient 14, overexpression of known resistance genes was not detected (12), although virulence was decreased.
Isolates from patients 9 and 40 also showed a late rise in fluconazole MICs with serial isolates (Table 1). However, isolates from both of these patients remained virulent to mice and fluconazole was effective at 1- and 5-mg/kg doses in prolonging survival (Table 2). Doses of fluconazole as low as 0.25 mg/kg were effective in prolonging survival in susceptible strains, whereas only the 1- and 5-mg/kg doses were effective in the resistant strains. The renal burden of Candida was reduced with fluconazole at 5 mg/kg in the susceptible and resistant strains from these two patients (Table 3). Resistant isolates from both of these patients exhibited overexpression of MDR(12).
The results of this study indicate that the relationship of pathogen, host, and antifungal therapy is complex. Patients with thrush refractory to 100 mg of fluconazole per day usually have oropharyngealC. albicans for which MICs are above 8 μg/ml (17, 18). Candida spp. other than C. albicans may cause thrush, but this is less common. The role of fluconazole-resistant C. albicans is thus unquestionably important in clinically refractory disease. However, not every patient with even highly resistant C. albicansfails fluconazole treatment. Rex et al. (19) found that more than half of human immunodeficiency virus-infected patients with resistant organisms responded to fluconazole therapy. Revankar et al. (16) found that development of fluconazole resistance in oropharyngeal C. albicans isolates during the course of chronic fluconazole preventive therapy is common. However, few of these patients had relapses despite the presence of resistant isolates, as contrasted with patients who were treated only intermittently for episodes of thrush and had relapses more frequently. This murine model of systemic candidiasis was used to evaluate the response to fluconazole and virulence of these isolates.
The aim of this study was to determine host-pathogen outcome in a setting in which host variables could be controlled. This was done by the following: (i) using DNA typing in C. albicansstrains serially isolated, (ii) determining which isolates were associated with resistance in distinct strains, and (iii) controlling variables such as growth phase of the organism, size of inoculum, the host immune status, and uniformity of both schedule and dose of therapy (4-6). An initial study (5) suggested that this was feasible, and in that study, the in vitro susceptibility ofC. albicans and in vivo outcome were closely related (5). However, when we expanded our focus of study to a library of 17 isolates collected serially from five patients, the results were surprising.
First, the isolates from all patients required (by definition) increasing fluconazole MICs and these patients all had a clinical requirement for increasing doses of fluconazole. The need for higher fluconazole doses in all five patients was associated with rising in vitro MIC, measured at either 24 or 48 h of incubation. The 48-h MIC was ≥4 times higher than the 24-h MIC for only 4 of the 17 isolates, and for isolates from two of these patients (patients 7 and 14), the 24-h MIC was 16 μg/ml, indicating decreased fluconazole susceptibility. Therefore, for these patients, discordance of 24- and 48-h MIC results (trailing end points) was not observed.
In three patients (patients 7, 14, and 43), the isolates requiring higher fluconazole MICs also had high LD50s, indicating a progressive decrease in virulence. In patients 7 and 14, the high LD50 in one isolate from each patient was associated with a decreased fluconazole response of mice treated with either the 1- or 5-mg/kg dose. However, in patient 43, (who had two low-virulence isolates), all three isolates were successfully treated in mice with 5 mg/kg. The lower 1-mg/kg dose was ineffective in the resistant isolate 2183. Notably, despite the decreased virulence of isolates 1831 and 2183 from patient 43, the burden of infection in kidney tissue of untreated mice was greater than that seen in the baseline isolate from patient 43. The mechanisms of this disparity are unclear.
Therefore, only the isolates which had low virulence and had high fluconazole MICs were associated with fluconazole failure (at 1 and 5 mg/kg/doses) when they were tested in mice with candidal infections. Mice infected with the fluconazole-susceptible isolates from these three patients had a good response to fluconazole both in survival and reduction of renal tissue counts. The primary mechanism of resistance in isolates from these patients did not involve overexpression ofMDR, which encodes an efflux pump with apparent selectivity for fluconazole (12). Overexpression of CDR was detected in three of the four isolates with decreased virulence from patients 7, 14, and 43.
Two additional patients (patients 9 and 40) had an increase in the in vitro MIC and required higher doses of fluconazole for clinical response. However, all isolates were of high virulence. Mice infected with eight isolates obtained from these patients responded well to fluconazole, at a dose as low as 1 mg/kg. Only when fluconazole doses were extended down to a minimum of 0.1 mg/kg in survival experiments did a difference between susceptible and resistant isolates emerge. In isolates from patients 9 and 40, the mechanism of resistance appeared to involve overexpression of MDR. Three isolates from patient 40 required an MIC of ≥8 μg/ml, but only one of these isolates was tested in vivo.
Therefore, there appear to be two patterns of fluconazole response in these patients. In the first patients (patients 7, 14, and 43), the emergence of fluconazole resistance in vitro and clinically was associated with a decrease in the virulence of the isolates and a reduced response to fluconazole therapy in mice. In the second pattern, mice responded to rather low doses of fluconazole, despite the high fluconazole MICs for some isolates. These isolates were all virulent. This suggests a link in some isolates between fluconazole resistance and virulence. One might anticipate that a mutation could affect both virulence and fluconazole susceptibility. However, a single mutation did not explain all findings. For example, patient 9 had identical DNA typing results for five isolates, but there was no loss of virulence with in vitro resistance, and in vivo responses showed resistance only at very low doses of fluconazole.
Fluconazole resistance is mediated by multiple mechanisms. These mechanisms may include overexpression of the target enzyme, mutation of the target enzyme, or exclusion of fluconazole from fungal cells (11, 19). The last may be the most important mechanism and may be mediated by one or more proteins which serve to pump fluconazole out of fungal cells (9). Increased efflux of drug is mediated by multidrug pumps belonging to two different families, the major facilitators and the ATP-binding cassette (ABC) transporters (7, 9, 20, 21). The genes coding for several ABC transporters in C. albicans have been identified, including some CDR genes (20). These ABC transporters, which have been associated with drug resistance in a variety of eukaryotic cells, include a membrane pore of transmembrane segments and two ATP-binding cassettes on the cytosolic side of the membrane, which provide the energy source for the pump (3,7). The MDR1 gene (also calledBENr ) is the only gene coding for a major facilitator that has been identified in C. albicans, and its overexpression leads to fluconazole resistance exclusively among azole drugs (20, 21). The major facilitators contain a transmembrane pore but use proton motive force as the energy source (7). These pumps may normally serve to translocate lipids and hydrophobic compounds across cell membranes (7). However, they also serve to facilitate resistance to multiple unrelated pharmaceutical agents and are thus designated MDR (for multidrug resistance). One such pump inC. albicans is the product of the MDR1gene. It is not essential for survival of Candida, in that homozygous disruptants are viable (7).
In addition, in a recent study, Becker et al. (7) created heterozygous and homozygous disruptants of a C. albicans mdr1/mdr1 clinical isolate. However, the disruptant (mdr1/mdr1) was much less virulent to mice than the parent isolate (MDR1/MDR1). If the MDR1gene confers virulence on C. albicans, this gene is not likely to be involved in our isolates from patients 7, 14, and 43, in which virulence decreased as fluconazole resistance emerged. This may argue for the presence of another pump (we demonstrated CDR gene overexpression) or a completely different mechanism affecting both fluconazole resistance and virulence, as was demonstrated in these isolates (12). Changes in ligands for phagocyte receptors, potential to elicit cytokine production, morphotype, phospholipases, or other factors could account for altered virulence of some isolates (2, 3, 8, 10, 13).
In the second pattern of resistance, although the fluconazole MIC increased for patients 9 and 40 and these patients required higher doses of fluconazole, the isolates remained virulent and the mice responded to low doses of fluconazole. It is surprising and unexplained that the patients would require more fluconazole for clinical response and yet show fluconazole failure only at extremely low drug doses for these “resistant” isolates. In these isolates, overexpression of MDR did not alter virulence or ability to infect tissue.
One other potential reason for this may be that the C. albicans clinical infections occurred in patients with defective cell-mediated immunity and thrush, while we studied a less relevant model of disseminated infection in mice with neutropenia, an immune deficiency not specifically related to thrush in AIDS.
In summary, the responses seen in our experiments are more varied than we had earlier thought and suggest that fluconazole resistance in some patients may be linked to decreasing virulence. The mechanism(s) for such a relationship at present remains unknown but may relate to hyperexpression of a pump in the CDR family, a group which mediates a variety of transport processes.
This work was supported in part by a research grant from Pfizer, Inc., and grants from the National Institute of Dental Research (5 RO1 DE11381) and the National Institute of Health (MO1-RR-10346) for the Fredrick C. Bartter General Clinical Research Center.
Received 15 September 1997.
Returned for modification 4 December 1997.
Accepted 31 March 1998.
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The Transatlantic slave trade
Fri May 21st 2010 by abagond
The Transatlantic slave trade (1501-1867), known by some in Texas as the Atlantic triangular trade, sold at least 12.5 million black Africans as slaves to work for white landowners on the other side of the ocean. Of these 1.8 million died at sea. Most of the rest were worked to death within seven years in the sugar cane fields of Brazil and the Caribbean.
The slave trade reached its height in the 1780s. A third of those sold were women. Towards the end a fourth were children!
Because the big money was in sugar only 4% came to the cotton and tobacco fields of North America. Three-fourths of those came from West Africa, the rest from what is now Congo, Angola and Mozambique.
While Europeans did catch some of their own slaves, they generally bought them from Africans. At first the Africans sold them prisoners of war but later as the market grew wars were fought to get slaves to sell.
A common white belief is that Africans “sold their own” as slaves. That is based on yet another common white belief: that Africa is a country. Africans did not sell their own: they sold their enemies. This became much easier to do once Europeans brought the gun to Africa and supplied a ready market for slaves.
Africans practised slavery long before the Europeans showed up, but the European kind was a different beast:
It was on a much vaster scale – millions, not thousands.
It was based on skin colour.
It was lifelong and fell upon one’s children too.
If you were caught you were put in chains and marched to a slave fort on the coast. Because you were on foot that could take months. About one in five – 3 million in all – died in these death marches.
Once at the fort you were put behind bars and there you waited for a slave ship and a good wind. That might take yet more months. And if the ship was not full it would spend weeks or months visiting yet other slave forts along the coast to fill up.
The Middle Passage:
It took as little as a month to get to Brazil, two months or more to get to North America.
Ships were packed so full that you had just enough room to lay down. Sometimes you did not even have enough room to roll over and lay on your side. It was dark and hot and airless and you lived in shit, piss, vomit and menstrual blood. The ship’s crew raped the women and girls. You had little to eat but even worse you had little to drink: fresh water was extremely limited on the high seas.
Disease was common. In the 1500s as many as half died on board. In the 1800s that dropped to 5%. Some who lived went mad.
So many slaves came that it was not until the 1840s and the Irish Potato Famine that more whites than blacks crossed the Atlantic.
How White America got rich
Guinea Coast
descendants:
Afro-Latinos
Some numbers on Black Americans
moral arguments:
The Arab trader Argument
“Go back to Africa”
The slave trade was immoral
on Wed May 26th 2010 at 15:04:12 Thaddeus
It took a month to get to Brazil, two months or more to get to North America.
It could take far longer, depending on what port the ship sailed from and where it went to. The two big slave trading ports in Brazil were Rio and Salvador. Slaves going from southern Africa to Rio could take months to get there, given prevailing winds and currents.
Recall that back in those days, unlike what that map would indicate, nobody sailed in straight lines: you had to follow the prevailing winds. In the South Atlantic, they run counter-clockwise. So a ship from Angola would probably sail north from the Tropic of Cancer, cross the Atlantic, and then have to sail back down to Rio in a big circle.
A long trip, any road.
on Wed May 26th 2010 at 15:33:29 Mel
I guarantee there will be whites here saying: “that was so long ago. Why bring up the past?”
Y’know, that slave ship loading diagram is one of the most iconic images of the middle passage every produced in the west.
Does anyone know anything about its history or social conditions of production? I mean, what was it produced FOR? A court case? A “how to” manual for the slave trade? As an illustration of an ex-slave’s narrative…?
on Wed May 26th 2010 at 15:58:10 J
12 million is usually the conservative estimate, depending on what sources you utilise.
Whatever the figure?? It does not usually take into account the amounts killed in wars and the long march to the coasts.
And a very good point you make about ‘Africans selling their own’, which unfortunately based on ‘self-hate’ and a lack of knowledge of history.
There is also another side to this point. None of us should be surprised if a country would sell their own.
I think there was one other group that were sold and that was those at the bottom of the society.
There is nothing extraordinary about this except in this instance a person would be sold because of ‘status’ and not tribal identity, or a ‘prisoner of war’ – back then there was no such thing as a collective African identity.
And again African slavery of which I guess you can identify two influences:
1. Islamic slavery
2. indigeneous slavery.
Many commentators suggest that even though aspects of Islamic slavery was brutal. On the macro level, it was completely different to the process of ‘chattel slavery’ in the West.
If I may suggest that at some point, you could do a counterpart to this post and discuss the ‘East African Slave Trade’, on the East Coast of Africa, that took Africans to places in the Middle East, islands in the Indian oceans (??) etc.
on Wed May 26th 2010 at 15:59:49 FG
Excellent summary, Abagond!
The map suggests that New World Afrodescendents searching for their roots should look more to West Africa than Egypt or the Swahili-speaking peoples.
That is if you do not believe people migrate FG.
And Swahili is for the East African Slave Trade
Perhaps you can create another post Abagond, because directly after the slave trade you see ‘New Imperialism’. This would all tie in nicely and be the logical sequence of event regarding the continent
on Wed May 26th 2010 at 16:44:56 Patricia Kayden
Very educational. Shows how strong Blacks are that 12.5 million slaves have become well over 100 million strong throughout the New World.
Also, while we know that “Africans sold their own” is a popular refrain, it must also be pointed out that there were Africans who openly opposed and fought against the enslavement of other Africans. That is often missed in the discussion — as it is made out that it was kind Europeans who put an end to the slave trade.
on Wed May 26th 2010 at 16:45:04 realist
“The Transatlantic slave trade…known by some in Texas as the Atlantic triangular trade”
It’s like 1984. Sadly, the term will be used in textbooks around the country (not just Texas) unless people protest and/or write their congressperson demanding such nonsense not be taught to their children in standardized textbooks. Countless other garbage (including implicit evolution denial in sceince textbooks) will be forced upon the education of American children if we do not act.
“Africans did not sell their own: they sold their enemies.”
I agree with that statement completely. Moreover, transatlantic slavery is a disgusting legacy of western European civilization. It is remarkable, however, that during the period in discussion (1501-1867) western Europeans would not “sell their enemies” if the enemies in question were white. Black Subsaharan Africans, on the other hand, continue to sell other black people into slavery to this day. In Haiti, such a domestic slave trade exists and was recently documented in a New York Times blog piece. (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/25/haitian-tradition-is-criticized-as-child-slavery/) The preceding link includes a gritty video documenting the lives of some child domestic slaves around Port-au-Prince.
on Wed May 26th 2010 at 17:35:40 Y
Excellent, Abagond. It seems a lot of people focus so much on the slaves that made it to the New World that they forget about the millions that died along the way, and the horrendous conditions they lived in.
I know I would have died on board, or I would have killed myself…Definitely wouldnt have made it.
on Wed May 26th 2010 at 17:53:36 Natasha W
But I wanted to point out that the map in the post is inaccurate. For instance, a substantial portion of slaves taken to the Southeastern areas of Georgia up through the South Carolina/North Carolina border were from Sierra Leone and Senegambia. And peoples captured from the Bight of Biafra were sent to the Virginia/Maryland area in large numbers. This is backed up by historical documents and genetic testing.
on Wed May 26th 2010 at 19:27:28 Dahoman X
Abagond wrote:
“While Europeans did catch some of their own slaves, they generally bought them from Africans.”
This was true only in the latter phase of the slave trade. During the first centuries of this “trade”, the slaves were caught through razzias by the european crews, as evidenced by numerous reports by white captains and traders.
The second phase saw the creation of forts and trading post along the coast, as well as the rise of african auxiliaries of the slave trade and the intervention of europeans in the politics of the african kingdoms.
One can’t understand the 3rd and last phase (the emergence of coastal african slaver kingdoms such as Danxome (Dahomey)) if one is not aware of this process.
Abagond, would you happen to read french? If so I might find you some links from an african forum I know where all the process is discussed.
With regard to:
“so much on the slaves that made it to the New World that they forget about the millions that died along the way, and the horrendous conditions they lived in”.
This is partly because of the lack of written documents. This is one of the major problems with history as a social science.
However, by the time the slaves were on land, I believe there were more historical accounts.
Here is one such account of the Middle Passage
Fifty Days on Board a Slave-Vessel: In the Mozambique Channel April and May, 1843
http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Days-Board-Slave-Vessel-Mozambique/dp/0933121466#reader_0933121466
From my memory most of those in the Caribbean are from what would be Ghana and Nigeria (Benin).
Brazil – Congo
Slave Trade & African-American Ancestry
http://wysinger.homestead.com/mapofafricadiaspora.html
on Wed May 26th 2010 at 23:54:55 peanut
Yes, i hate that lie used to excuse european enslavement of africans. Europeans enslaved/ mistreated their own too. Look at how the slovak slaves were tortured and mistreated by their hungarian overlords…research Erzebet bathory to get a good picture of that. Furthermore, there were plenty of africans who tried to stop the sale of african slaves to europeans, such as Queen Nzinga.
I read a book about slavery in Antigua…its a sad thing and a brutal history.
on Thu May 27th 2010 at 00:17:22 Jess
“The Transatlantic slave trade (1501-1867), known by some in Texas as the Atlantic triangular trade”
How is that bad? I learned it that way too. We were taught that both mean the same thing, not just in one way. If anything it gives you the whole picture of the trade.
on Thu May 27th 2010 at 00:56:44 leigh204
It really saddens me that people could do such horrible things to each other. I cannot fathom what these slaves had to endure. The slave trade was evil and disgusting.
on Thu May 27th 2010 at 03:08:05 Thaddeus
Europeans enslaved/ mistreated their own too.
Some people on this board will be surprised to learn that.
Of course, Peanut could just be reiterating the old “The Irish were slaves, too” myth, right…?
It really saddens me that people could do such horrible things to each other.
Ironically enough, just saw a trailer today which deals with immigration into the U.S. from a Brazilian point of view. We’ve just had a big debate on immigration here. Obviously enough to me, things haven’t changed much. Self-claimed anti-racist activists on this blog would happily see families torn apart and people shipped from one side of the planet to another in chains, kept for months in a time in dungeons awaiting transhipment, etc.
If people who claim to be anti-racist activists on this blog can look that sort of thing in the eye today and say “Fair go. It’s only right”, why would anyone presume that we’ve learned much of anything since 1750?
The targets of inhuman behavior shift around a bit, but it’s always there.
on Thu May 27th 2010 at 03:50:18 AB
i would recomend an independent documentary called 500 years later. it tells the whole story. we watched most of it in my africa in cinema class. http://www.hulu.com/watch/93209/500-years-later
on Thu May 27th 2010 at 10:31:01 Hathor
After the importation of slaves became illegal, they were smuggled in through Louisiana for Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia cotton growing. Most of these slaves were from other parts of Africa. The slaves from parts of West Africa were chosen because they had the rice growing skills and a resistance to malaria which was pertinent to the rice growing colonies.
There were only certain African groups that captured slaves and considering the amount of that population, I don’t agree that Africans including Arabs did most of the slave catching.
on Thu May 27th 2010 at 10:35:13 Mira
This is a good post. I knew about the numbers and the time needed to sail, but I didn’t know about the regions of Africa where the slaves came from. I used to think it was more of central Africa; I had no idea about slaves coming from Mozambique.
Now, speaking of slavery, I think people should once and for all understand how horrible slavery was, and just because “Africans” and Arabs and people in the antiquity did it, it’s not an excuse. First of all, it’s wrong. If it’s wrong to kill and enslave a man, you don’t get a pass if someone else did before you. Plus- and I don’t try to minimize suffering of slaves in antiquity or those enslaved by non-whites – but whites often see western civilization as the best, completely fair, respecting human rights, etc, etc- and they were the ones who did this. And last, but not the least, in most of the other forms of slavery, you were able to buy your freedom, and/or you were enslaved for a given period of time (3, 7 years). Also, if you were an educated individual, or a craftsman, or you had any special skills, you were able to continue practising your craft or become a tutor in someone’s family (so I guess your live was a little bit less horrible). Not here.
Now, I disagree about skin colour as an important difference: enslaving humans based on skin colour isn’t any better or worse than enslaving them based on religion, or ethnic group, or any other criteria.
But even if they were, Hathor, so what? It doesn’t change the fact whites were ones enslaving those people. They didn’t take them to America and free them.
But it is important to note that, in any case, “Africans” didn’t capture “their own”- they captured their enemies. Africa is not uniform. Hey, white Americans and Russians are whites, and yet, they were (are?) enemies. And you can even say most of the Arabs are whites (they are Caucasians) so someone could say whites are attacking “their own”.
I am old enough to remember how Black folks looked different depending upon where they were from. Even the accents were different.
on Thu May 27th 2010 at 12:02:38 J
Cheers Hathor,
Do you know where the other slaves were from, and would you like to say anything more on the matter??
Its funny, just as I was typing I remember a similar thing also happened in Jamaica, but I cannot remember any of the details where these Africans came from.
Anyhow suffice to say these ‘Africans’ also merged in with ‘other Jamaicans’ to become ‘Jamaicans’.
This is the book:
http://www.amazon.com/Alas-Kongo-Indentured-Immigration-1841-1865/dp/0801823080
“So what? It doesn’t change the fact whites were ones enslaving those people. They didn’t take them to America and free them
Indeed a very valid point.
There is another point to this but this time from the ‘slavers side’
Unfortunately leaving aside other political issues like prisoner of wars from other tribes, ‘pariahs of society’ who were to become slaves. This was a very lucrative business that any unscrupulous character could profit immensely from.
Well, I know there are some people who think whites have cruelty and a need to enslave others in their blood. But these things are not born with someone’s white skin; they are products of society, politics and other things that give them power. Indeed, there were whites who were enslaved/suffered by the hands or other whites and non-whites. And yes, there a non-whites who captured their enemies, and Arabs who enslaved people, etc etc.
But to use this argument to derail any discussion about this specific slavery is not a good thing, and it shows basic misunderstanding. So what if Egyptians, Greeks and Romans had slaves? In what way, exactly, does this make transatlantic slavery less horrible? Especially given the fact you were often able to free yourself in ancient slavery and you were often enslaved on a given period of time (3 years for example).
“But to use this argument to derail any discussion about this specific slavery is not a good thing, and it shows basic misunderstanding”
However, it is needed though, because if you look at ‘Western civilisation’ from a historical point of view. There is no remorse nor has there been regard to slavery, and in this sense the derailment (ie ‘red herring’) becomes all the more vital as a tool.
I best stop here because I can see myself heading towards reparation ha ha ha…
No but seriously, I stand by the above.
And with regard to my own comments:
“This was a very lucrative business that any unscrupulous character could profit immensely from”.
Even today – these are the only ones I can remember but there are many more – companies who were formed because of slavery
Tate & Lyle (sugar company)
And even today , such companies still continue to earn millions which otherwise would not have been possible without slavery
I said what I said, because I am so tired of the commentary being, but Black people did it too. These comments not only are made during a post about slavery, they are made even in the context of explaining the legacy slavery left or how it has psychologically effected Black people to this day. I am sure there will some comment here that will blame all slavery on Black people, as if it is only in Black’s DNA.
on Thu May 27th 2010 at 15:19:14 Natasha W
Generally true, although I wouldn’t lump all of the Caribbean together because they don’t all have the same origins. For example, many that were brought to Jamaica were the Kongo, who reside in present-day Zaire, Congo, and Angola.
Not necessarily. There were plenty of those from present-day Ghana and Nigeria (mainly Yoruba and Ewe) that were sent to Brazil, as well as others.
No one knew exactly where they came from, but comparing pictures of people in my geography books, people that were from the cotton states looked more like thy came from what we would call the Congo. Tennessee, North and South Carolina, Virginia looked more like people from West Africa. Every now and then I would see people with features that looked as if they were from Kenya, like Thomas Mboya’s people. I had met several Kenyans when I was in high school. I know that there are several different groups in Kenya, that why I made a reference. My paternal grandfather looked much like he came from Ghana. He was only one generation out of slavery. But more than likely his ancestors came from Sierra Leone, because he might be called a Geechee.
I understand you. I didn’t reply to your comment to argue with you, but to agree with you.
Since this post is the one discussing the slave sources, I wanted to dismiss the whole “africans/arabs/whoever did it too!” argument before it started.
on Thu May 27th 2010 at 17:25:51 Kwamla
Another great post by Abagond. which I commend.
Any time the full comprehension and realization of the transatlantic slave trade is made bare, then discussed.
It never fails to amaze me how justifiable it can be made to be seen if it can be argued or proved that Africans were also complicit in this too.
Lets “suppose” this was true. SO WHAT!!!!????
What does it say about the so called humanity of the Europeans? Where was the so called moral superiority?
The fact that they deemed this was OK for 500 years must surely say something about the mind of Europeans?
And perhaps someone can tell me where is the historical evidence of Africans or any other peoples of colour systematically brutalizing, dehumanizing and lawfully disregarding the lives of human beings in this way for 100’s of years?
There isn’t any!!! The closest being perhaps the Jews during the 2nd world war but guess what? Thats was Europeans again!!!!
Has anybody noticed a pattern here?
There’s pretty good information that
most of the primitive capital accumulation in Brazil came from slave-trading rather than mining or sugar-making.
With regards to the trans-atlantic slave trade, here’s some basic facts that people often forget about it that are really necessary:
1) It occurred roughly over a 400 year period and the locus of slaving moved several times during that period. Speaking very generally, it tended to move south and east as time went on.
2) Different European and African peoples were highly active in it at different periods.
3) Technologies of slave trading changed radically during the period.
4) Relatively speaking, what’s today the U.S. was a late-comer to the game. It thus got few slaves from the northern parts of Africa and those that it did get tended to be concentrated in places of early colonization such as the North Carolina seaboard.
So to say “such-and-such a region got slaves from such-and-so a point in Africa” is generally a simplification.
on Thu May 27th 2010 at 18:29:39 MerriMay
Agreed Kwamla,
The slave trade was truly tragic, I can’t begin to imagine what kind of depraved minds would pack their fellow human beings in such conditions, words fail me.
Blacks can commit a thousand crimes, it won’t in any way match the horror of what Europeans have done to them. Never!
Enslaving West Africa, colonizing the rest, the supine attitude of Europeans towards Africa makes me sick!
Really interesting
There is one aspect of the trade journey that is not mentioned here and was so horrific that Malcolm X suggested it had to be written out from nearly all the history books.
I had posted what he had to say on this matters on here – can’t quite remember where though)??
Seasoning Camps
“Meltzer also states that 33% of Africans would have died in the first year at seasoning camps found throughout the Caribbean.[54] Many slaves shipped directly to North America bypassed this process; however most slaves (destined for island or South American plantations) were likely to be put through this ordeal.
The enslaved people were tortured for the purpose of “breaking” them (like the practice of breaking horses) and conditioning them to their new lot in life.
Jamaica held one of the most notorious of these camps. All in all, 5 million Africans died in these camps reducing the final number of Africans to about 10 million.[54]”
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
on Fri May 28th 2010 at 00:05:27 J
Took a long while to find the excerpt from Malcolm X:
“Our people weren’t brought right to this country. They were dropped off in the West Indian islands in the Caribbean…
Why?… This was the breaking-in grounds. They would break them in down there.
When they broke them in, they would bring the ones whose spirit had been broken on to America. They had all kinds of tactics for breaking them in. They bred fear into them, for one thing…
And this is why they took the role of the ‘slave maker’ out of history. It was so criminal that they don’t even dare to write about it…
I read in one book how the slave maker used to take a pregnant woman…and make her watch as her man would be tortured and put to death.
[Another] had trees that he planted in positions where he would bend them and tie them, and then tie the hand of a Black man to one, a hand to the other, and his legs to two more, and he’d cut the rope. And when he cut the rope, the tree would snap up and pull the arm of the [slave] right out of his socket, pull him up into four different parts.
I’ll show you books where you can read it, they write about it.
They used to take a Black woman who would be pregnant and tie her up by her toes, let her be hanging head down, and they would take the knife and cut her stomach open, let that Black unborn child fall out, and then stomp its head, in the ground.
I’ll show you books where they write about this… ‘Slave Trade by Spears; From Slavery to Freedom by John Hope Franklin; Negro Family in U.S by Frazier touches upon it…
‘Anti-slavery’ by Dwight Lowell Dummond…”
Malcolm X on Afro-American History, Pathfinder Press…
on Fri May 28th 2010 at 01:13:52 Menelik Charles
@J,
Malcolm X’ on Afro-American History is one of the greatest, most accessible, books I’ve ever read. It would make a fine introductory reader for any African-American (especially male) wishing uplift themselves out of mental slavery. Indeed, it should be required reading in all US prisons.
on Fri May 28th 2010 at 02:57:23 Thaddeus
Don’t you mean “lupine”?
Re: seasoning camps. The Wiki sez that South American slaves were put through this:
Meltzer also states that 33% of Africans would have died in the first year at seasoning camps found throughout the Caribbean. Many slaves shipped directly to North America bypassed this process; however most slaves (destined for island or South American plantations) were likely to be put through this ordeal.
Sorry, I call bulls$t on that. South American slaves were not shipped to Carribean before being sent to Brazil – and let’s face it, 95% of South American slaves came through Brazil. Either Meltzer got it wrong or (more likely) the Wikidiot quoting him got it wrong.
My favorite source for this topic is Hugh Thomas’ The Slave Trade.
on Fri May 28th 2010 at 03:50:26 Paisley
MerriMay: “Blacks can commit a thousand crimes, it won’t in any way match the horror of what Europeans have done to them. Never!”
I totally agree. And let’s not forget European/white atrocities against the Australian Aboriginals, the Maoris, the Tasmanians, the indigenous Americans, etcetera, etc., on and on, ad infinitum….
on Fri May 28th 2010 at 08:49:40 MerriMay
@ Thad
Supine still stands, don’t play professor with me, you’ll only fail.
I used the metaphorical ‘supine’ hand as in a ‘gimme gimme’ attitude to Africa.
Secondly, I meant it as an indifference, careless, lazy, negligent(insert other meanings of the word) attitude to Africa.
Here we go again,
Thad in his role as RR and No_Slappz…
The thought that Whites could be incredibly evil to Blacks pains him so much that he has to reject the contention.
What he attempts to do is clever – well not really -. He rejects the contention of ‘seasoning camps’ but remains strangely silence on the brutality devised by the slaveowners. Almost as if that part is at least true, but he does not have an argument, or anything by which he can knockk that idea down, otherwise he would.
As a lecturer one would expect him to draw on his expertise to critique it.
However, because he has probably have not heard this thing before (here read too arrogant or a ‘troll’ to admit it). He has to suggests that Meltzer has it wrong.
However, this creates its own problems. Since if Meltzer is wrong. Then Malcolm X is also wrong and the references that he cited would also be incorrect.
This is one of the problems that can occur when you are schooled (or here read fooled) in ‘eurocentricism’ and over-rely on authors who are steeped in that tradition.
I am not surprised taht a person like you would therefore use Hugh Thomas as your reference. As the Americans might say a Johnny-come-lately to the scene.
And here we go further, one more reference to add to the list, in addition to the ones quoted by Malcolm X:
“Seasoning was a process conducted during the Atlantic slave trade for the purpose of “breaking” slaves. The practice conditioned the African captives for their new lot in life, newly arrive black African captive would have to be trained into the daily rigors that await them in the Americas. This training was carried out on Plantations in the Caribbean such as Jamaica. Then the conditioned captives were taken to the American south to be worked as a slave.
Estimated mortality rates for this process vary from 7% to 50% with duration between one and four years.[1]
Most slaves destined for island or South American plantations were likely to be put through this ordeal, though slaves shipped directly to North America bypassed this process. Jamaica held one of the most notorious of these camps. [2]
The process of seasoning had a strong profit motive for example, as economists state the average price of adult male slaves in Jamaica in the 1770’s was 52% higher than “New Negroes” (Africans who came to a New World).[3]
1. Kiple, K.F. The Caribbean Slave: A Biological History, p. 65.
2. Meltzer, Milton. Slavery: A World History. Da Capo Press, 1993.
3. Trevor, B. and Morgan, K. The Dynamics of the Slave Market and Slave Purchasing Patterns in Jamaica, 1655-1788. The William and Mary Quarterly, Third Series, Vol. 58, No. 1, New Perspectives on the Transatlantic Slave Trade (Jan., 2001), pp. 205-228
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasoning_(slave)
So what does this all mean??
In a nutshell, Thad is the ‘White liberal’ that Steve Biko warned about, and even Malcolm X also.
He is that ‘Great White Man’, do not worry about the other one (with that tag) who has taken up the ‘White Man’s Burden’ to teach the docile natives, their history and how best they should obtain their freedom also as part of the process, but yet at the same time maintaining the same White world order.
An ‘academic’ troll
on Fri May 28th 2010 at 10:45:37 Kwamla
Interesting to see how the trail of this discussion goes…
While comments from myself , MerriMay, Paisley, J, etc.. attempt to reflect on the culpability or responsibility of Europeans for behaving in this way…TIME AND TIME AGAIN!!!
Others seem preoccupied with establishing the precise statistics of which slaves came from or were sent where..??
Why is this so important ???
This is the level of reflection. As if it were some “tragic”, unintentional vast migration of peoples which took place so many years ago, and where the true facts or statistics have become obscured over time. But it happened… As did say the Roman civilization or the industrial revolution which took place over many years both of which had their ups and downs!!!
Again these tired old reflections refuse to examine or challenge the mind or motives of a people who would allow and STILL CONTINUE to allow such abhorrent behavior and practices to continue today.
It may not be so OVERT as in the case of industrialized fellow human slavery 200 years ago but that uncaring mentality still lingers on in the form of cruelty and disregard for peoples of colour, animals, the Earths environment etc…
This is not simply a question of apportioning blame, guilt or extracting apologies from any one race of people; or mounting an argument for reparations (another discussion) its about recognizing, acknowledging and owning up to collective PAST actions and behaviors.
Such honest, personal, DEEP opening up reflections become the guiding determinants for the way we wish FUTURE collective actions and behaviors to be seen and implemented.
What are the signs that such a global humanitarianism or Earth centered holistic approach is taking place today ???
I live in optimism …
I still like “lupine” better.
No, I don’t reject the notion of seasoning camps. I reject the statement of the Wiki you linked us to, which claims that South American slaves were sent through seasoning camps in the CARRIBEAN.
As for the brutality of the situation, that is evident.
Its not clear to me what you are saying here, or whether this is one of your mis-understandings??
It is being staed that some slaves taken from Africa went to the Caribbean so as to be ‘broken in like horses’ before they were then transported on to their final destination, so that they could become ‘good slaves’.
on Fri May 28th 2010 at 12:36:04 Hathor
The discussion about where slaves come from actually dispels the myth that all Africans participated in the slave trade.
on Fri May 28th 2010 at 12:57:57 abagond
According to the Wikipedia article only about one in six African city states and kingdoms that knew about the slave trade took part in it.
I remember reading be that some of the African rulers were oblivious to the extent of the horrors of the slave trade, in its early period. Since once the slaves were sold that was it and this may make some sort of sense in the context of what slavery as an institution in Africa being ‘different’ to ‘chattel slavery’.
However, much later the rulers became fully cognizant of what was taking place, and in some instance rulers were held to ransom by the Colonial powers to provide slaves.
This is also another feature rarely discussed on why/how the slaves were provided.
Thad you really are a character, even though my ancestors in South Africa, were not subject to slavery, but of a colonial sort- a separate thread I’ll concede, it still pains me greatly to read about what fellow blacks went through.
Interesting observation that J has made about you, your complete indifference to it, the complete absence of outrage on your part speaks volumes. The hell with your geographical trail of slaves because as usual you bulldoze over others’ very valid points.
I’m not saying tear you hair out but for goodness sake where is the respect for these people???
I suppose this qualifies as commiseration on your part:
WTH?
Why do you constantly undermine the integrity of a subject as historically atrocious with your crap?? If you have nothing meaningful to add, just gag it.
Which leads to my second point.
You like ‘lupine’ better?? Cobblers!!! You take it upon yourself to correct things that don’t even warrant it??
Your arrogance is as usual insulting!! I don’t care what you like!
Regarding those specific sources in the Wiki, J, let’s go directly to them, shall we?
Kiple (The Caribbean Slave: A Biological History) does not mention the majority of South American bound slaves heading through Carribean seasoning camps. In fact, he barely mentions South America AT ALL in his book and when he does, it’s as a comparative pole for his main focus: the Carribean. When he mentions slaves bound for South America via Jamaica, he’s talking about the Guyanas and some northern spanish colonies. This trade was a drop in the bucket compared to that of the rest of South America.
So no, Kiple does not sustain the hypothesis that most slaves bound for South America were put through Carribean seasoning camps.
Let’s turn to Meltzer. Like most English-language historians of slavery, he barely mentions South America or Brazil. This, in fact, is one of the reasons one needs to temper these early authors with “Johnny-come-latelies” like Thomas, who understand that most slavery took place under the Portuguese and Spanish flags. Early English-language authors were far too willing to take the experience of British colonies as some sort of pan-Atlantic norm.
Meltzer does not mention most South American slaves IN GENERAL being shipped through Carribean seasoning camps, certainly not on page 65 and, as far as I can see, nowhere else in the book.
On to Trevor and Morgan. They do indeed mention slaves being transhipped to South America from Jamaica, but again, only to the northern tier of colonies, particularly British Guyana (which makes some sense).
None of these sources thus sustain the hypothesis that most South American bound slaves went through Carribean seasoning camps before being resold to South America. As I said, that appears to be a wiki error created by injudicious copy-pasting from other internet articles.
Metzler is not wrong, he’s just been poorly quoted: most of the ENGLISH trade did indeed go through Jamaica. The English, however, weren’t selling slaves to Brazil, the America’s largest consumer of slaves.
With regards to Thomas, why J thinks an author should be dismissed just because he’s written more recently on a topic is beyond me. In general, more recent books have BETTER data than older books.
Here’s what Thomas has to say on the subject of “seasoning” in a South American context:
The main ports for receiving slaves in South America were Rio (for the Portuguese) and Caratenga (for the Spanish – far less than Rio, however: 3000 slaves a year at its peak). In both ports, slaves were dumped into holding baracks on the outskirts of town, where they were left until a buyer came along. In Rio, slaves at this point were more often “fattened up” than sadistically beaten. This wasn’t because slave dealers were nice guys and humanitarians: the horrors of the middle passage left many Africans on death’s door and every dead slave was that much less profit.
Nevertheless, deaths in these barracks continued at an astounding rate. So bad that mass cemeteries needed to be dug near the Valongo, Rio’s slave trading street (and these were rediscovered during urban improvement projects in the 20th century). Thomas remarks that slave traders SHOULD have taken much better care of their “wares”, if the logic was simple capitalism. However, even more modern research by Brazilian scholars, shows that the care given to slaves in barracks depended quite a lot on the general economy of the time.
A booming economy would mean huge demand and quick turnover. Under these conditions, slaves would spend little time in the Valongo barracks and even the sickest would be picked up by desperate planters and miners. Traders didn’t care much about slave health in boom conditions: turnover was far more important.
When the economy slowed down, however, quality became more important and care could increase in order to increase the “shelf-life” of the slave. In a really bad economic downturn, however, the trader could simply decide that costs for maintaining the slaves alive could outweigh their possible sale value and simply let them die.
There was nothing approximating an organized “seasoning camp” on the Valongo, however, where slaves were systematically tortured to ensure obedience. Again, not because the Portuguese slave dealers were nice guys but because it was too much effort and cost. Why bother? The trader wasn’t a conscientous employee of the Great White Conspiracy to Subdue the Negro: he was an independent businessman, looking to make as much money as he could, as quick as he could by selling human flesh and souls. In Brazil, that meant “get ’em in and get ’em out” as quick as possible. Teaching the slaves obedience was not the Brazilian slave trader’s problem: it was the slave master’s problem.
Thomas has this to say about Jamaica as a transshipment point:
English ports were more brutal and less hygenic, but slaves brought to Jamaica for sale in Spanish America tended to be treated better than those sold elsewhere.
“Seasoning” was more often than not a general process which supposedly lasted a year or two and began with the slave barracks in African ports. Slaves would pass through two or three hands before getting to their final owners and, as they passed along, they’d be brutually treated as a matter of course. This was generally not because of some specific, thought-out plan to break the slaves’ will: it was the inevitable by-product of treating human beings as merchandise. Of course, ANY rebellion under these sorts of conditions was met with immediate and brutal violence, but again, not because this was some well-oiled, death-camp like machine, but precisely because it wasn’t. It was very often a poorly organized venture in which huges sums of money were being floated and could be won or lost on a throw of destiny’s dice. A plague sweeping through a cargo of slaves could bankrupt a dealer in one fell swoop. As Abolition inched closer and it became ever more clear that the trade from Africa would one day be stopped, traders began cramming their boats to the decks with slaves. The conditions for rebellion were, as one can well imagine, ripe and rebellion was the thing slave traders feared most, precisely because they didn’t have full control over their human cargo. It was a constant promise.
Now, I’m not as well acquainted with late-18th century British slavery as I am with the Brazilian varieties, but if there were a people who could have seriously contemplated the organization necessary for “seasoning camps”, it definitely would have been the British. That Enlightenment ethic could very well have produced some rationalist attempt to set up a camp where slaves’ wills were systematically broken. I’m willing to accept that as a hypothesis, given more proof than a Wikipedia article which misquotes an author.
What is definitely a fact, given the state of our knowledge on this issue, is that the vast majority of South American slaves did not pass through Jamaica or any other Carribean camp: they came through Rio and Salvador. And there is no indication that I’ve seen that anything like these camps operated here.
Note that this doesn’t mean that Brazilian slavery was not brutal.
Now, Kwamla asks “Why is this so important?”
Because this is the history of the Transatlantic Slave Trade and the black presence in the Americas, the very history that black people have been deprived of. If you want history, you have to accept that it doesn’t always play out in accordance with your prejudices. If yopu want to know what happened back then, you have to really look at it.
As I mentioned in Abagond’s post on the Cherokee Trail of Tears, glossing one or another act of inhumanity as The Holocaust does not help us understand what happened. Slavery, like Indian reservations, had a complex history and had its OWN PARTICULAR coordinates of oppressions and brutalities. Imagining Dantesque slave seasoning camps where all slaves are systematically tortured to incur obedience leads us away from the REAL brutalities which occurred. As metaphor, the “death camp” has some explicatory power: as history, it confounds explanation and ends up creating myth.
And isn’t it one of black america’s complaints that too much of black history has been shrouded in myth?
Here’s one side effect mythologization produces:
Here in Rio (and in Salvador) we had an institution that was as bad or worse than the “seasoning camp”: the public slave prison, where masters could send unruly slaves to be tortured. Of course, if we’re going to get hung up on the myth of Brazilian slaves in Jamaican seasoning camps, we’ll never be able to discuss the REAL institutions which were used to break rebellious slaves, are we?
This returns to my wife’s article on the Black American Imperial Eye (https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/01/07/black-brazil-in-the-black-gringo-gaze/) : concentrating on the English-speaking transatlantic slavery and black experience as the norm creates a virtuality where (in this case) Jamaica becomes far more important than the Valongo, even though far many more black Americans’ ancestors (and J, please note that “America” does not mean the U.S. in this instance) came through the Valongo than through Kingston.
Brazilian black history is considered to be so secondary, so in fact inconcievable, that even to bring up the simple FACT that Brazilian slaves weren’t transhipped through Jamaica is enough to get one castigized as a violence-denying racist.
Again…you miss the point Hathor. It doesn’t really matter!!!
So what if they did? The point is what does it say about a specific group of people – Europeans – who unequivocally endorsed this mass trade of human beings??
So lets say most African nations actively played a part in capturing and selling slaves to Europeans does that make this any less of a de-humanizing act on the part of Europeans? Could it then be seen as just a bit of fair trade that got out of hand?
But of course then you would have to agree that if it had been the other way round. That is if African’s had discovered Europe they would have similarly entered in to deals with various European countries and started shipping white slaves back to Africa?
And if we could establish that the majority of European countries actively colluded with the African traders then this would have made things Ok. It would have been fair trade again? Both sides just as equally to blame as the other
One more historically example: Japan attacks the US in the battle of Pearl Harbour so the US drops the Atomic bomb on one of Japans major cites killing and injuring 100,000s of people. This was justified YES?. Because we can prove historically accurately here that Japan did attack the US destroying much equipment and many 100’s of US lives.
Or are you still not getting the point here?
Here’s where I think the misunderstanding is.
The wiki article J linked us to says this:
Most slaves destined for island or South American plantations were likely to be put through this ordeal…
Note: most slaves.
J interprets that to mean:
It is being staed that some slaves taken from Africa went to the Caribbean so as to be ‘broken in like horses’ before they were then transported on to their final destination…
Note: some slaves.
I have no objection to the idea that some slaves went through “seasoning camps” in Jamaica, beyond the fact that it would be interesting to see a primary source on this, rather than what appears to be a Wiki misquote of a secondary source cut and pasted from another internet source.
I DO object to what the Wiki quite clearly says, that most south-american bound slaves went through these Jamaican camps. That would only make sense in terms of the ENGLISH slave trade to South America, which was a small drop in a very large bucket.
MerriMay, “lupine” means “wolf-like”. It was not intended as a correction but as a bitter commentary. A commentary on the situation, not your grammar.
The hell with your geographical trail of slaves because as usual you bulldoze over others’ very valid points.
First of all, my making I point hardly prevents anyone else here from doing so.
Secondly, the only point I’m criticizing is the idea that the majority of South American slaves passed through Carribean seasoning camps. That is simply wrong. All points, of course, are valid but “valid” does not mean “correct”.
So no, I’m not preventing anyone’s opinion from being heard and no, I’m not “invalidating”.
Interesting observation that J has made about you, your complete indifference to it, the complete absence of outrage on your part speaks volumes.
So outrage is the measure of correct history, is it. MerryMay?
Look, right above me, right now as I type, a Military Police helicopter is flying towards Santo Amaro favela. It’s been buzzing the favela for an hour now and has twice exchanged automatic weapons fire with residents.
I have things right in front of me to get outraged over.
When I look at history, I look at it to try to see how we got to this situation HERE. I find that outrage doesn’t help much in that task. It doesn’t help the dead of two centuries ago and – more often than not – it blinds me to very important clues.
“Outrage” comes from a base feeling that one believes one already knows the truth. I know very few truths and most of the ones I thought I knew have not withstood the light of reason.
I believe that slavery was evil: that is a basic truth I hold to. I DO NOT believe – as most Americans seem to do – that having classified something as evil, I can now be on my merry and make believe whatever the hell I want about it. To me, if something is evil, it requires even GREATER attention and less presumption. And presumption is precisely what outrage generates.
Your mileage obviously varies. I respect that. Please respect my view as well.
It matters to me, when I see it being used to deflect the discussions.
What you say is not in dispute as far as I am concerned and I understand what you are saying.
I am not the kind of person who wants history rewritten in the pursuit of a racist agenda. When you have Black folks saying “Africans did it too” and Black folks have benefited from slavery, being an apologist for white privileged conservatives, I consider this to be a serious problem for Black folk.
Abagond started this post with a reference to the changes that the Texas board of education made for the criteria of their textbooks. Slavery is now a euphemism. Arizona has passed bill to forbid the schools from teaching any ethnic studies. Do you think that history now taught in Arizona will now be inclusive?
If this trend continues, it wont matter as you say, because there will nothing of slavery taught. Not even in the context of the constitution. The Texas BOE also is minimizing Thomas Jefferson and some other founders, base on their religious beliefs. So I can’t see the topic of 3/5ths ever coming up.
Do you think preteens are going to take upon themselves to become scholars?
You have a curious deposition towards taking most comments by others here on a personal level. This has resulted in you having to write copious responses to defend your apparent “sleights” at the hands of MerriMay, J and possible others.
If you could leave this aside for one moment as, again, I would say to you its not really that important in the context of what we are discussing here: The Transatlantic slave trade
Your major contribution appears to be:
“…the only point I’m criticizing is the idea that the majority of South American slaves passed through Carribean seasoning camps. That is simply wrong…”
Now maybe you have made others but lets just agree this is your main concern.
You have also commented: “I believe that slavery was evil”
Well that might be so but on the basis of what you’ve contributed to this discussion (without the divergence into defending personal attacks or insults) it s doesn’t really convey, to me, any real “FEELING” sense of this.
Its all too easy to get caught up in personal side issues we deem to be more important because the real issues we fear may be too debilitating or uncomfortable to bear.
You make some valid comments here in response.
The experience you describe in Texas is along similar lines to how The Transatlantic slave trade is taught in many other countries. I know this is true in the UK where I am based.
The basic assumption here is that the actual trade or traffic is played down, deemphasized or even as you report omitted altogether.
This were the Internet and blogs like this come in. At least if preteens want to find this sort of information they can. Years ago before the age of the Internet it all too easy to claim ignorance (unless of course you were scholarly enough to read books!!) This need no longer be the case.
Until of course Black/African peoples start re-writing their own histories in all areas of media. But isn’t this very blog evidence of that very same thing already happening?
I still do not understand your convoluted argument.
Since it appears you seem to support the contention in essence when you say:
“I DO object to what the Wiki quite clearly says, that MOST south-american bound slaves went through these Jamaican camps. =That would only make sense in terms of the ENGLISH slave trade to South America, which was a small drop in a very large bucket”.
Can you just clarify that the word MOST in capitals in the aforesaid is what this discussion is all about??
And if this is the case, can you this time provide any evidence?? Please note that if you cannot find any I will not use it either as an opportunity ‘to score points’ either, something which you are won’t to do
Just to say do not worry about the providing of evidence. I think I can sum up the problem of the discussion.
1. Wikipedia quote
“Meltzer also states that 33% of Africans would have died in the first year at seasoning camps FOUND THROUGHOUT THE CARIBBEAN. Many slaves shipped directly to North America bypassed this process; however most slaves (destined for island or South American plantations [including Guyana which is in South America my emphasis]) were likely to be put through this ordea”l.
2. Thad
I DO object to what the Wiki quite clearly says, that most south-american bound slaves went through these Jamaican camps
3. Please observe what the wiki quote states ‘FOUND THROUGHOUT MOST OF THE CaRIBBEAN’
Usually I would close with ‘I hope this clarifies’, but I doubt if this will be the case for you.
And finally with regard to your comment here Thad:
“Of course, if we’re going to get hung up on the myth of Brazilian slaves in Jamaican seasoning camps, we’ll never be able to discuss the REAL institutions which were used to break rebellious slaves, are we?”
You are the only one whohas reached this conclusion through your own faulty reasoning skills.
I think your faulty reasoning skills reveals your true guise as the ‘academic troll’ that you are.
And I stand by what I said previously : RR, No_Slappz and your good self serve the same purpose and function on a site like this.
on Fri May 28th 2010 at 17:33:53 EnSayn
It’s a shame we believe this story without thought. If we really think about it, this story makes no sense. We are talking about a story of people walking up to 500 miles, being placed on board ships and living in these conditions for a month or more and everyone commenting says nothing about this passage. Its as if this is taken for granted. People living in this condition would not need to be seasoned, they would already be broken. People living in these conditions for a month or more would soon die upon reaching the Americas from various ailments. People living in these conditions would be very hard to sell on the auction blocks, that is what they were being transported for. To be sold. Just think about this! We need to look at the amount of Black people already living in the Americas that were enslaved. We need to look at how long we were living in the Americas long before the birth of a Christopher Columbus. We need examine the truth and begin to dispel this yarn accepted as truth. To think that we came from Africa under such conditions is not a testament to our strength, its a testament of our acceptance of another fairytale and never thinking logic of this deeply rooted lie.
Well, let’s see. After I made an innocent play on words (“lupine” instead of “supine”) which, in fact, supported her point, MerriMay…
1) Told me to go to hell;
2) Said I could care less about slavery;
3) Said what I write is crap;
4) Told me to shut up;
5) And then (cherry on the top) called me arrogant.
I wouldn’t call that an “apparent slight”, Kwamla: I’d call that a serious of directed slights that were obviously intended to be taken on a personal level.
I’m not sure how you could read that differently.
That’s because I disagree with the general American opinion that feeling gives one extra validity, Kwamla. I’d rather go for precision in my history, thanks. I’ll leave the “feeling” to the likes of the Texas Board of Education.
Very simple, J: the Wiki article you cite says most South African-bound slaves headed through seasoning camps in the Carribean.
It is not a convoluted argument J. Not even close.
Here’s the quote:
Meltzer also states that 33% of Africans would have died in the first year at seasoning camps found throughout the Carribean. Many slaves shipped directly to North America bypassed this process; however most slaves destined for island or South American plantations were likely to be put through this ordea”l.
It seems very clear to me that, following basic rules of English grammar, the phrase “found throughout the Carribean” refers to the seasoning camps, not the slaves. The immediately following sentance then specifically says that slaves shipped to North American bypassed the camps while those shipped to south america didn’t.
The clear intent of the phrase is that most slaves bound for South America passed through the camps. Can’t get any clearer than that.
The problem is that this is only true in the context of English slave trading, which is of course Meltzer’s focus. The wiki article does not say that. It says “most slaves bound for South America” passed through the camps.
Not true. Most slaves bound for South America disn’t go through the Carribean and weren’t sold by the English.
EnSayn says:
People living in this condition would not need to be seasoned, they would already be broken.
Spot on. Slave suicide was one of the major worries of Brazilian planters, right up there with rebellion.
People living in these conditions for a month or more would soon die upon reaching the Americas from various ailments. People living in these conditions would be very hard to sell on the auction blocks, that is what they were being transported for. To be sold. Just think about this!
Mostly correct.
At least with regards to Brazilian slavery, if any thought at all was given to recently arrived slaves, it wasn’t to tie them up and whip them to break their spirits: it was to feed them, clean them and fatten them up a bit for the auction block.
That said, very little thought AT ALL was given to the slaves, especially in times of high market demand. So many of them DID die in the barracks upon reaching the Americas and were simply written off as a net loss.
but where is your evidence?? A question you like to ask of me so often (sic).
Either way, personally I do not have a problem with the quote.
In one of your responses earlier, the way you responded, it seemed to me that you had the book in front of you. Can you quote what Meltzer says on this very issue??
I would add also that I only introduced this point to enhance what Abagond had said here regarding the middle passage, especially as this part of history is not that well known.
What you have said here thus far has not changed or minimised this fact.
Whoa Whoa Thad
What is it with you and your inherent inability to understand the contextual sequence of what is written:
Let me clear this up. YOU imposed yourself on what I was saying, by seeming to agree with me at the same time being patronising by substitung a perfectly valid /applicable word(supine) and inserting your own as the better of the two(lupine). If that is not arrogant, show me what is!
Mind you, that wouldn’t make sense in the way that I intended, if you carry on that way, why don’t YOU compose your own narrative wherein you can do as you please with your text.
Do me a favor though. With the remaining 4 on your list I want you to quote me on where I told YOU specifically to shut up, go to hell, your writing is crap, and you don’t care about slavery.
When/if you’ve done so I will go on to illustrate to you, your continued lack of comprehension towards what I write.
*substituting*
on Sat May 29th 2010 at 01:21:45 Thaddeus
but where is your evidence?? A question you like to ask of me so often
Evidence for what? That Brazil was the world’s largest slave importer? Or that Brazil didn’t import slaves through Jamaica?
If the second, how am I supposed to logically prove a negative?
Can you quote what Meltzer says on this very issue??
Nope. Back at home now and not at the Museum.
Yeah, and what I have said here thus far has also not proven that the Holocaust is a fake.
Know why?
Because what I’ve said was not meant to prove that the holocaust is a fake, nor minimize the horrors of the middle passage. It was also not meant to prove that you are still beating your wife.
What I said was only meant to prove that the idea that most South American slaves were transhipped through Jamaican seasoning camps was bulls@#&. The wiki article you cite was dead wrong on that point.
I was AGREEING with your basic point by substituting an even more predatory adjective. Kindly take your tortured presumptions elsewhere.
I want you to quote me on where I told YOU specifically to shut up, go to hell, your writing is crap, and you don’t care about slavery.
1) “…just gag it”
2) “The hell with your geographical trail of slaves …”
3) [refering to my written opinons] “…your crap.”
4) “…the complete absence of outrage on your part speaks volumes.”
Now, considering that you have taken my innocent comment about “lupine” rather than “supine” Europeans to be a deadly arrogant insult, I can’t help but woner what you’d say if ANYONE said ANY of the above things to you.
For a woman who is oh-so-sensitive to perceived slights, you certainly have no problem at all insulting people.
If you’ve got something germaine to say about my points, go ahead, even if it’s rough. If it’s simply going to be more venting because you feel the need to virtually go off at someone, spare me.
on Sat May 29th 2010 at 08:30:45 Kwamla
Ok. Thaddeus. I am going to put it to you that you make some valid points about:
.”..the idea that the majority of South American slaves passed through Carribean seasoning camps. That is simply wrong…”
And that perhaps in the process of making this point you’ve encountered some slight abuse. Examples of which you have “precisely” documented. But then perhaps this may also be valid for you to consider here. The attention to precision you so rigorously strive for, lets say virtuously and admirably, as a worthwhile scholarly pursuit leaves no room for the immense “human” or “emotional” consequences of the very subject we are discussing.
You yourself have commented:
This is a fair point and you of course are entitled to your own opinion. But you also conceded:
“…I believe that slavery was evil: that is a basic truth I hold to…”
Now for me there appears to be a “disconnection” between your explorations of this aspect of the trade and your rigorous assessment of the origins of Brazilian slavery
Its actual precisely this “disconnection” which I was attempting to convey in my own postings about the mentality (historically) of the European mind which in seeking to engage with cultures – not just peoples, but animals and the environment as well – reduces them to little more than components or numbers which can be “precisely” stacked or arranged according to the prevailing beliefs.
Maybe this is where perhaps categorizations of “arrogance” “uncaring” or even “racism” may appear.
For this reason the actual horrors and practices of the slave trade very rarely surface (except in discussions like these of course!!) but then these are exactly the issues that need to be discussed and come to terms with in dealings and interactions with all cultures.
on Sat May 29th 2010 at 11:34:06 MerriMay
You know Thad you have a tendency to start a fire and cry foul when you get burned!
Most people just affirm ‘I agree’ etc, but you had to play the one-upmanship, and note the arrogance here.
”don’t you mean ‘lupine’ ”
which totally discredits what I’m trying to say. Are you a mind reader now? Why don’t you save that patronising for your classes. Even after I clarify and point out your wrongdoing you continue unperturbed
‘I still like lupine better’
It’s that bullheaded attitude that sticks in my craw, and why you continue to be at loggerheads with people…and hence derail.
Don’t piggyback off an idea and declare it your own as superior.
Now wrt:
1. That meant if nothing of substance is forthcoming except
diversionary tactics from the horror of what happened, then um yeah..gag the thought, not telling YOU to shut up!
2. that hardly means the hell with YOU Thad..was merely disagreeing with the point
3. Ah again, but you see YOUR crap is hardly YOU’RE(you are) crap Thad, so I reject that out of hand, there’s a difference between the two. Ad hominen it’s not.
4. Where did I say you don’t care, I said ‘speaks volumes’, now as to what those actually are, and you can decipher that and pin it down to ‘you don’t care’ well wake me up when you do!
Merri, I know you want a flamewar so you can baaaaaaw to Abagond about me and hopefully have me removed.
I’m not going to engage beyond restating my very simple position.
My “lupine” comment was meant to me an ironic and SUPPORTIVE commentary to your “supine” remark. In response, you fired back several very openly nasty comments at me.
Just imagine is someone – me for example – were to say to you “The hell with your crap regarding a ‘supine’ Europe. If you can’t contribute something relevant to the discussion, just gag it.”
I can imagine the MerriMay reaction to such a comment: immediate baaaaaaaw to the moderator that someone has launched a personal attack.
As I said to Kwamla above, it’s not your insults that bother me: it’s the hypocrisy.
on Sat May 29th 2010 at 17:17:39 The Great White Man
I see the blame YT crew is out in full swing(The ocean must be in low tide…smh)
Look it was a horrible thing, but you must also accept the fact that Europeans are the ones who STOPPED IT!!!
You people only cry afoul when YT does it. The double standard here is downright pathetic….Arabs and Africans are doing it to this day!! but not a peep, YT does it and the victim mentality surfaces most tick…smh
We all know that non-white people hold us to a higher standard, because they all know the great things we’ve done for poor tribals, orphans, disaster relief, ect…..But please stop whining about the slave trade and only on YTs end of it…ok?
I’m sorry there will never be ANY REPERATIONS for AA, so please stop with the victim mentality, thank you.
You people only cry afoul when YT does it.
No one has even mentioned Yolanda Truman, TGWM. Please stay on topic.
on Sat May 29th 2010 at 18:17:00 J
SW6,
Is this the item concerned??
Las Casas, Bartolomé de (1999), Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies, London: Penguin, ISBN 978-0140445626 . Trans. Nigel Griffin.
on Sat May 29th 2010 at 18:29:25 FG
Here’s a pretty interesting documentary on the slave trade to Brazil.
So when you at the musuem next time can you quote us what is said in Meltzer’s book verbatim??
So we can all come to our own respective conclusion
I’m sorry there will never be ANY REPERATIONS for AA,
There seems to be an echo here (with it being unworkable)
Gulp!!
http://books.google.com/books?id=KnWJCk8gIfwC&dq=A+Short+Account+of+the+Destruction+of+the+Indies&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=yWEBTMj1MtaH4gbCgfXLDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCkQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false
on Sat May 29th 2010 at 20:32:41 zekjevets
Are you sure that’s it? I recently read the same book (albeit in Spanish), and it was mostly a repetitive look at the atrocities of the Europeans toward the indigenous peoples. Every chapter goes on about native people being killed, raped, burned, etc. Casas posited himself as being “charitable” towards the native peoples, though he was really just anti-Spanish government on behalf of the church, and didn’t really do anything concrete to stop the maltreatment of the indigenous, save a debate or two. I’ve only read the original though, so I don’t know what differences edited and translated versions have.
Abagond if I may, last I’ll say on this.
I’ve never asked Abagond to censor anyone, the same cannot be said for you.
Your mockery won’t work with me, you’d think your numerous feuds with people on this board would tell you something about your conduct, you remain clueless.
If you read back to how this started you’ll see a pattern with you.
You’re courting the moderator yourself by insinuating that I attacked you, yet Abagond hasn’t obliged, so I have not broken any rules. A commenter bit the dust recently for exactly this slick tactic. Nice try though. And you call me a hypocrite…smdh
And I suspect at some point in the distant future. A similar argument will be used, especially as it is already being discussed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/10175907.stm
This is vis-a-vis against the pretext of Africans selling each other
“A commenter bit the dust recently for exactly this slick tactic”
A t(h)ad true methinks
Except for No_Slappz, no censor requests here.
on Sun May 30th 2010 at 14:56:14 Thaddeus
Kwamla, I wrote a long reply to you, but it didn’t show up after three tries, probably because the system thought a percentage symbol was a coding order or aomething.
It seems to be permanently stuck in moderation.
Abagond, can you see the comment? Or should I post it again?
Yeah, well, J, like I said on another post, I remain skeptical until someone can show me HOW it’s going to work. International law, which you’ve refered to on this topic, does not cover reparations by nations and, even if it did, would be ignored by the U.S.
So even if reparations would get its day in court in The Hague, and would by some miracle be adjuged favorably, all the U.S. has to do is thumb its nose at International Law, as it has repeatedly done in the past.
The only way to get the U.S. to give reparations would be to force it to do so. If the assorted black movements trying for reparations have THAT much power, why not just take the coutry’s government over instead?
So yeah, unless you or someone out there can show a pragmatic and logical road to reparations, I will continue to qualify reparations as a pipe dream and a waste of time.
@MerriMay,
you’d think your numerous feuds with people on this board would tell you something about your conduct
What it tells me, Merri, is that thinking outside the box isn’t popular among people who are used to thinking in terms of dogmas.
You’re courting the moderator yourself by insinuating that I attacked you…
Merri, what I said was very clear, it wasn’t an insinuation. What I said was this: you yourself would consider the comments you directed at me to be a personal attack, were they directed at you.
Nice try at starting a flame war, but this is really my last word on the topic.
on Sun May 30th 2010 at 17:16:35 J
Since this topic is slavery, and reparations can be tied somewhat therein.
I am afraid I do not understand your logic here.
If groups of people are entitled to make a claim under something which is in the law. If these people believe they can appeal to the conscience of the Government, and the Government will acquiese. Then why should they not do so??
The only possible way to find out if it is a ‘pipe dream’ or not is for these groups to make such a claim, and see what the outcome is.
No??????????????
on Sun May 30th 2010 at 18:08:52 Mira
I believe blacks should receive reparations, but I don’t think it would solve any problems. But then again, the point of reparations is not “solving problems”.
I agree with Thad that reparations might lead to bad attitudes among whites, because they would think they don’t own blacks anything anymore, or they would use reparations for more racism.
Still, that should not be the obstacle for reparations.
But the bigger question is: how to determine who’s going to get reparations, and who’s going to give reparations.
Correct. But reparations are a claim made under international law and (in spite of what right-wing conspiracy loonies think) THERE IS NO WORLD GOVERNMENT!
International law covers basically two things: issues all nations have more-or-less agreed upon (and even then, it covers them poorly) and post-war retributions.
So, yeah, reparations would be a good idea IF…
A) You could get the presumed criminal in this case (i.e. the U.S. government) to go along with the idea that it should pay out billions or trillions to the descendents of slavery, or…
B) You could beat the U.S. government into submission.
I think we can agree that if your strategy for change boils down to not only convincing your oppressors to empathize with you BUT ALSO get them to freely hand over billions, it’s not a very practical strategy.
And if you’ve got the power to BEAT the U.S., why not just take it over and screw reparations? No need to ask for a paycheck if you own the bank, is there?
My point has nothing to do with whether people have a right to appeal. They have a right to waste their time however they please.
My argument is that I’m not going along with this strategy until someone can show me how it has a chance in hell of working. I’d rather waste my time posting here or looking at The Huffington Post.
By that same logic, the only way you can find out that you can’t fly is to jump off a building while flapping your arms.
If the anti-racist movement was blessed with a surfeit of cash, time, energy and talented activists, I’d say “Whatever. Might as well go for it and it can’t hurt”.
The fact of the matter, J, is that we are facing a huge wave of racist reaction – the worst in decades – and time, money and energy is short on the ground.
That is why I think “reparations” is a useless game being played by people who should know better.
Or stoners.
Either way…
With regard to
“I agree with Thad that reparations might lead to bad attitudes among whites, because they would think they don’t own blacks anything anymore, or they would use reparations for more racism”
This is a red herring and bears no relevance to international law – even if it is to have this impact.
I wasn’t talking about the law, or how to make reparations, I know nothing about the law. I just said, I believe blacks should receive reparations.
on Sun May 30th 2010 at 20:20:59 Jasmin
(I posted as zek earlier by accident–this is his computer.)
I wouldn’t know for sure–I read the book for a class in the spring semester and I’m pretty sure I sold it on Amazon, but I’m pretty sure the one I read didn’t say anything about slave labor at all–at that point the Spaniards were interested in taking the land and resources from the indigenous peoples, then returning to Spain (as “Indianos, meaning people who made their fortune in the New World). It was a while before people actually decided to stay and create colonies.
Per this link, Casas supported the importation of Africans, then later recanted and became an advocate for them, and it lists two books by him, but it’s Wikipedia (which I don’t count as a credible source) so who knows? 🙂
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartolom%C3%A9_de_las_Casas
I still am having problems understanding your reasoning in all of this.
1. Its not quite clear why you made reference to U.S being ‘criminals’. The issue of reparations would essentially be monetary – Its not a war trial of the US??
2. As for anti-racists and those fighting reparations there is a big gulf between the two, and that is why I made the connection between reparations and international law.
3. Its not also clear to me how you can reconcile reparations as an issue across the world and Blacks acting within the remit of the law to obtain it?? Surely you are not advocating that Blacks pick up guns and obtain the monetary that way??
4. As for people wasting their time, to use your own words. I am sure there were many who said that about Martin Luther King. In the real world of ‘politics liberation’ the only way to know if something politically is going to succeed or fail is to endeavour. There is absolutely no other way of knowing. Furthermore any fight for liberation is a piecemal journey, with many loses but also many victories. Thus ‘victories’ can be gained in other areas, even if the ultimate goal of repartion may not be completed.
5. Finally there appears an attempt here inadvertently or otherwise to deny Black people a fundamental right that all other oppressed nations have the right to ie make reparation claim. We always see this type of thing in the White Supremacy World. In the West they create ‘War trials’, to deal with those not followingthe status quo, whilst in South Africa they have a ‘Reconciliation Commission’.
I saw your comments Mira,
Thad’s comments were given as reason to why repartions should not be given and he made mention of White’s people reactions etc.
This is the red herring, which you quoted when citing Thad:
“I AGREE WITH THAD THAT REPARATIONS MIGHT LEAD TO BAD ATTITUDES AMONG WHITES, because they would think they don’t own blacks anything anymore”.
Furthermore this is not how racism, genocide etc or what I would call White Supremacy works. Its not a case of what or as the case Blacks may do, but rather what those endorsing White Supremacy have as their agenda.
I wanted to say that the question of reparations is not about “solving problems”; I do see them as war reparations.
I guess I was answering/posting my opinion on Thad’s comments on reparations. Unlike him, I think blacks should receive reparations, so that is the part of his post that I don’t agree with. But I do agree that reparations would not solve any racial issues/racism; but that is ok, because the point of reparations is not to solve problems, end racism or anything like that.
And yes, I am aware we’re going off topic… Sorry.
So you were partying with the family that long??
Glad to see that it all went very good!!
“Per this link, Casas supported the importation of Africans, then later recanted and became an advocate for them, and it lists two books..”
I did not open the link. From what I remember Le Casa could be viewed as a ‘liberal’.
He saw and felt the oppression of the indigenes. However, instead of calling an end to the system, he advocated to use replace the indigenes with African labour instead.
This is a Priest remember…
When he saw the brutality that slavery brought upon the Africans which he suggested – he became ambivelent again.
Just for clarification purposes.
No-one has suggested that reparations would solve any racial issues/racism.
It is only Thad, who brought forth this explanation as a reason in his argument as to why reparation should NOT be given.
Technically I’m still on vacation, but not with the family anymore, and yes it went very well. 🙂
Las Casas pretty much followed the path of most of the clergy in the New World (though for some reason he gets more recognition as a champion of human rights)–some felt pulled to defend the humanity of indigenous peoples, but inevitably the Church ended up on the side of the government because they got money out of the deal.
On a related note, I’d recommend the move “The Last Supper” (“La ultima cena”, with an accent on the “u”) to anyone interested in slavery outside of the US. It’s set on a sugar plantation in Cuba in the late 1700s and came out either a year after or a year before “Roots”–it fits with that (mini) trend of films exploring the atrocities/hypocrisy of slavery. I’m pretty sure you can find it (with English subtitles) online.
on Mon May 31st 2010 at 02:00:21 Thaddeus
Mira, please have the courtesy to correctly state my position.
I have said several times I think there should be reparations. My only question is how is this going to come about?
Why does “criminal” mean “war” to you in this context? The only mention of war is that, AFAIK, the only time international law has dealt with reparations against a nation is after one has LOST a war and the international legal process is in the hands of the victors. To wit, Germany after WWII. Reparations are also occasionally judged in trade and fishing disputes because both sides have an interest in keeping within a general international system which may someday rule in their favor.
But never, to my knowledge, has any international court rules that a country pay reparations for evil-doing and said country paid them without a war occurring.
Personally, I’d think blacks would have a much better chance that way – though still not a very good one. As for “acting within the remit of the law”, seeing as how international law does not deal with this issue, how is that going to occur? There IS no international law on this issue, J, so you can’t be acting in the remit of it.
Here’s an example: Durban conference calls for reparations. Pretty much every major power pulls out of Durban. How is this going to come in front of international courts, given that the countries who run that system are the same ones who won’t listen to the argument for reparations?
4. As for people wasting their time, to use your own words. I am sure there were many who said that about Martin Luther King.
Perhaps. But King had the U.S. Constitution to work with as well as the consciences of a good portion of white folks.
Segregation could actually be fought in the U.S. because there was a higher law: FEDERAL law. If there was an INTERNATIONAL law system actually backed up by force, then the reparations struggle might have a point. But you’ll recall that desegregation happened in many places in the U.S. south at bayonet point.
Law is useless without some police force to back it up. King played to the Federal government because he knew that was the only force that could slap the southern states in line. With the federal government on the side of desegregation, the racists would have to fold and this is indeed what happened.
Who are the reparations folks playing to? Who’s going to send bayonets to collect reparations?
Martians?
In the real world of ‘politics liberation’ the only way to know if something politically is going to succeed or fail is to endeavour.
Simply not true. There’s not a liberationist in the world who’ll say “Hey, waste your efforts on something that has absolutely zero chance of succeeding.” To use your King metaphor, it’s as if King decided to only work with, say, the Alabama and Mississippi state governments because, what the hell, anything could happen, right? Might as well start somewhere…
Any liberation strategist would agree: one needs to know how to pick one’s fights and attack where one can PLAUSIBLY achieve something. Great hopeless, romantic gestures are fine for movies, but they rarely get sh1$ done in real life.
Finally there appears an attempt here inadvertently or otherwise to deny Black people a fundamental right that all other oppressed nations have the right to ie make reparation claim.
J, no nation has that “right”. There is no “right” in international law besides might and that is a stone cold fact. Maybe 50 years from now, that will be different. But until you get a global police force of some kind, it’s utopian in the extreme to talk about “rights to reparations”.
Vietnam, for example, has a stone solid right to reparations for the damage it suffered at the hands of the U.S. As part of the 1973 peace treaty, the U.S. AGREED to pay reparations. It has broken that agreement for 37 years now and there’s not a damned thing Vietnam can do about it. Hell, they can’t even strip Henry Kissinger of his Nobel Peace Prize, let alone get their just reparations cash.
So how, exactly, do you propose “rights” in an international legal system that can’t safeguard them?
There ain’t no such animal.
We always see this type of thing in the White Supremacy World. In the West they create ‘War trials’, to deal with those not followingthe status quo, whilst in South Africa they have a ‘Reconciliation Commission’.
And that should tell you something basic: power, as Mao said, ultimately comes out of the barrel of a gun. If you don’t have a gun on your side, you can chant “reparations” until you’re blue in the face, but it ain’t gonna do you sh1$.
Now, the “gun” can be metaphorical, as it often was in the case of the U.S. Civil Rights movement, but it has to be there.
Where’s the gun that’s going to get you reparations from the U.S.?
Hey, maybe Serbia can do it! What do you say, Mira?
IIRC, in the late unpleasantness over Kosovo, Serbia managed to shoot down, like, three NATO planes, inflicting zero NATO aircrew casualties.
So that makes the loss ratio for that war something like 1,000 Serbian dead for every NATO bomb-armer who smashed his pinky with a torque wrench.
I wouldn’t place high hopes in recruiting Serbia as an effective ally against the U.S. in the international struggle for reparations, J – bastion of international human rights though the Serbs may be. [roll eyes]
on Mon May 31st 2010 at 02:52:37 J
Cheers Thad,
Not sure whether much of what you say here is caught up in the world of language (semantics) or whether it applies correctly to the world.
I will stick with the former
“International law makes clear that victim groups have the right to remedies for harms done to them…In the past decade those engaged in these various struggles have begun to recognize their common cause and a global reparations movement has emerged”
http://asbarez.com/80547/the-global-reparations-movement-and-meaningful-resolution-of-the-armenian-genocide/
So we have come back full circle again:
For those who believe in the integrity of international law across the world. They have every right to follow that law that gives them redress.
A point I have already made.
Whether, they will get any redress??
This is a different matter – for them
However, the only way for these groups to know whether they can succeed or not with reparation is to engage in the struggle.
A point I also made previously.
J, I don’t know what apalls me the most: the fact that you link us to an Armenian genocide site as “proof” that reparations exist and work (even though the Armenians haven’t seen a penny), or the fact that you didn’t even read the post.
Said group’s pet legal PhD has this to say about reparations under international law (and remember, this is theory because no one has gained any yet):
International law makes clear that victim groups have the right to remedies for harms done to them. This applies to the Armenian Genocide for two reasons. First, the acts against Armenians were illegal under international law at the time of the genocide. Second, the 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide applies retroactively. While the term “genocide” had not yet been coined when the 1915 Armenian Genocide was committed, the Convention subsumes relevant preexisting international laws and agreements, such as the 1899 and 1907 Hague Conventions. Since the genocide was illegal under those conventions, it remains illegal under the 1948 Convention. What is more, the current Turkish Republic, as successor state to the Ottoman Empire and as beneficiary of the wealth and land expropriations made through the 1915 genocide, is responsible for reparations.
Oh, OK. So reparations can only be charged for acts that were illegal at the time… That rules out slavery.
Guess we’ll go for a charge of genocide then, right?
Under this “law” (which is really just an international agreement), “genocide” means “committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”?
Well, good luck proving “intent to destroy”. Vietnam’s got a better case AND an agreement for reparations and is still standing, hand held out.
EEEEEEEEEEEP!
Next contestant.
And the only way you can know whether you can survive a shot to the head from a .38 special is to go ahead and have someone shoot you, J.
Empiricism is no defense for stupid ideas which deductive reasoning should tell us are hopeless.
Here’s the deductive process again:
1) Ex-slaving nations control the legal system.
2) There is no higher authority to compel anyone to follow this system’s rulings.
3) If there were such an authority and it were on the side of reparations, much more could be done with such power than simple reparations.
4) Finally, international law, such as it exists, is written to SPECIFICALLY block out slavery as genocide.
Oh, and don’t forget that even if we can prove that slavery was genocide, it STILL wouldn’t qualify anyone for reparations, because genocide was only made illegal under this system in 1899.
So Armenians, Vietnamese, Bosnians, Sudanese… A whole slew of other peoples, up to and including the Jews, have been clear-cut victims of planned genocide according to the UN: not a dime have any of these people seen, as far as I am aware, in spite of the legality of their cases.
And yet you still think it’s a great and practical tactic to sue the U.S. under international law for a crime which was committed outside said law’s own understanding of the legitimate timeframe?
Riiiiiiiight….
And you have the balls to say “Well we can’t know ’til we try,” even though many other groups with much more “open and shut” cases have tried and got jack?
J, The Hague couldn’t even successfully convict Milosevic, but you SERIOUSLY think international law is the solution?
Riiiiiiiiiiiight…
You do this all the time Thad, you stae a position, and when it becomes untenable. You then shift your argument to a new position.
This is how the debate unfolded:
A commentator said:
“Let me get this straight. The American government apologized to the Japanese AND gave them 20,000 but reparations for 400 years of slavery and Jim Crow is off the table. WTF?
Not saying the Japanese American brothers and sisters did not deserve that and more, but what about AA? Why is it considered so unreasonable to do the same for us?”
And here are your replies thereafter:
1. But hell, let’s say that the U.S. goes nuts and decides to offer repatriations for all the descendants of the slaves. How’s that going to be done, first of all? By blood quantum? Because there are a lot of white people out there who are also slave descedents and you’d better believe they’ll come out of the woodwork if a handout is in the offering.
And here is the important quote from the same post
2. You SERIOUSLY want the U.S. to hand out 6 billion dollars and then say “That’s it, black people! We no longer are bound to think about racism because you’ve received your ‘I’m sorry’ cash”? You should present this idea to the far Republican right. They’d love it. A 6 billion dollar one-time settlement to never have to think about racial justice or affirmative action again would probably be considered a good buy.
3. Under international law, it would be very hard to argue reparations, period. In both the Italian/Libyan and U.S./ethnic Japanese cases, you have survivors alive today and some sort of clear-cut lineage regarding the crimes
4. Reparations is simply something that isn’t going to happen, outside the realm of science fiction
and in the same post
Reparations are a pipe dream. Literally. The kind of idea that gets into someone’s head after smoking too much and listening to a lot of Bob Marley.
When asked why did you use the above racist stereotype you go on to say:
5. Because “reparate” and “repatriate” often get mixed up in this sort of discussion.
With regard to reparartions being a global issue you wrote:
6. Good on them! You be sure to tell me when it gets beyond the radicals espousing to other radicals stage, when any non-black radical group starts seriously considering it, OK? Because I don’t see how you’re going to convince the U.S. to voluntarily hand over this sort of cash unless,
This time it not being a matter related to international law
7. Where’s that corpus regarding reparations for slavery or any other, similar, question?
In another post on the same point.
8. You’re going to have an impossible time proving either of those two points [ie genocide & slavery] under international law and leading them to reparations,
9. Summing up, I think reparations, while a wonderful idea in theory, is a complete stoner’s pipe dream in practice. To hold it out as any possible effective strategy for the improvement of black peoples’ lives in the real world is to believe that a dogmatic fantasy of a small group of militants is somehow going to convince the very people they are trying to punish to punish themselves
10. How would such an entity pay reparations and do you really think that any notional future superpower forcing such a situation would really care about the plight of black Americans? Even if said superpower were, say, Nigeria? Again, history indicates that they would not. They’d have their own agendas to worry about.
Back to reparations and smoking weed again:
11. Reparations is the kind of stupid idea that gets into a kid’s head after listening to Garveyist rhetoric while under the influence. Whether the kid in question is white or black, the idea that it is some sort of basis for real political activity is puerile
12. Now all we got to do is figure out how to collect it.
I know! We’ll get the white kids to listen to even MORE Bob Marley while stoned than usual. Then, once Garvey’s wise words have penetrated to the depths of their subconsciousness, they’ll be ready to vote black people all the money in the world.
Yeah, that’s the ticket!
Folks, here’s the bottom line, truly. All my thoughts on this matter can be boiled down to this one thing. All my thoughts on this matter can be boiled down to this one thing: HOW ARE REPARATIONS GOING TO BE ENFORCED?
This time a question to me
13. My question to you is simple and unitary: HOW is it going to happen under any conceivable circumstance, no matter how remote?
A first time admission
I know people are fighting for this (across the world my emphasis).
What I would like you to show me is any coherent vision of how reparations could possibly be enacted.
You recognize that saying “people are fighting for this” is not the same thing as showing how ANY of said people expect to achieve it?
Another response directed at me
14. so nice try at wiggling your way out of this one, J, but no go: you have no pragmatic plan for reparations. It’s simply a rhetorical and dogmatic position with you.
About what I’d expect from a Garvyite. Garvey was always big on crowd-pleasing smoke-and-mirrors rhetoric.
15. J, this is simply wrong. I know of NO case of reparations for inhuman conduct that were mandated in a court of international law.
This in response to what I said:
“the issue of reparations is something that is enshrined in international law. It is given to countries who have a legal basis for a claim of injustice etc, or when such a claim is made. Usually that case will have to be argued out in a court”.
Thad describing himself and expertise
16. I am not an expert in international law, but I HAVE read quite a lot about the Nuremburg trials, Eichmann’s trial, Native American treaty law, and several very famous reparations cases. Because of my work on the human trafficking issue, I also have a pretty good workman-like notion of how modern anti-slavery law works on an international level and how the international court in The Hague is set up.
Moreover, I have researched the reparations issue with the people here in Brazil who push it and several of the organizations who push it internationally.
So while I’m not an expert, my knowledge on this point goes far beyond a Wiki education.
So I’m not simply spouting racist nonsense when I tell you that international law, such as it exists, is not geared to take entire nations and races to court and ESPECIALLY isn’t geared to do that for crimes against humanity.
So this in essence is your position regarding the subject, and it shows the shifting of positions etc.
I think you have said it all here eloquently, and Mira did quote you accurately
Thad I used this link because it says what you have been denying for so long that charges of reparations cannot be brought because of misdeed/conduct committed by a country.
So on this point you are wrong. On a more fundamental level it aso reveals your lack of knowledge in international law, something which even you admit to yourself. Please see point 16.
Secondly, with regard to the issue of slavery, the law can be used ‘retroactively’, just as the link says. However, that will take us into the issue of when and how can the law be used ‘retrospectively?’ Again this is something you missed in the link and not being conversant with international law, by your own admission.
And still while we are on your role here on this blogas to be the disruptor/liberal/racist etc
There is one important thing which you said:
I had asked:
“Surely you are not advocating that Blacks pick up guns and obtain the monetary that way”??
“Personally, I’d think blacks would have a much better chance that way – though still not a very good one”
In the real world, this is exactly what happened with the Black Panthers. The state placed ‘agent provacauters’
within the group, to get the organisation to commits acts of violence that led to their ultimate demise – and people within the organisation’s death. In other words its a form of suicide but instigated by the powers that be
This is so common a strategy that it is used also in Britain, not so that people will die per se but to lead to the demise of radical groups – even to this day.
Very worrying that Thad should be willing to consider such a ‘strategy’ for Black people with regard to the issue of seeking reparations.
Sorry, J, that’s not true. In this case from the very beginning, I have made a point to say that I do not feel reparations bad, per se, but that they are a pipe-dream in terms of practicalities for SEVERAL different reasons.
I mean, which part of “Hey, if you can convince the U.S. government to seriously contemplate giving 6.000.000.000 dollars to black people as reparations for slavery, I’ll vote for it. Just don’t blame me for the likely results…”
It’s very easy to claim that someone is aying something that they are not by selectively cutting and pasting, J. That comment of mine came very erarly in the debate and it was repeated:
Summing up, I think reparations, while a wonderful idea in theory, is a complete stoner’s pipe dream in practice.
Liking the idea or not has nothing to do with it [my resistence to it], J: I’d just like you to show me where this is international law.
Folks, here’s the bottom line, truly. All my thoughts on this matter can be boiled down to this one thing: HOW ARE REPARATIONS GOING TO BE ENFORCED?
Hell, I’d like to see blacks get 6 trillion in reputations, if only because it’ll put another nail in the coffin of U.S. imperialist ambition.
I mean, just how often fo I have to repeat that the IDEA of reparations is not the problem, J, it’s the practical implementation? I’ve done this a half a dozen times now, and yet here you are, bald-facedly lying that I’ve somehow changed my position on this?
J, are you really that poor a reader or are you simply that manipulative a person? Because there’s no way in hell that this point could’ve somehow gotten by you unoticed if you were actually reading what I wrote.
Even your partial and very tendacious “summing up” of my points shows me sticking to one point and coming back to it again and again. Here it is, once again, repeated for the 100th time (or thereabouts):
Reparations are a pipe dream because here is no international legal or practical basis for them that could possibly be made to work.
And yes, J, I believe that your rhetoric about reparations is typical Garveyite boolshite. It is long on rhetoric and completely lacking anything that could be called a pragmatic plan. It SOUNDS good and for Garveyites like yourself, that’s all you need, isn’t it?
If that’s not the case, then show us a pragamatic outline of how reparations can be achieved. You have not done this, nor has any site you’ve linked us to done this. Nor does any site I have investigated on my own do this.
As far as I recall, I never said that charges couldn’t be brought. You enjoy paging through my old posts in search of contradictions, so knock yourself out.
Here’s my original comment on that:
Under international law, it would be very hard to argue reparations, period. In both the Italian/Libyan and U.S./ethnic Japanese cases, you have survivors alive today and some sort of clear-cut lineage regarding the crimes.
But note that NEITHER the U.S. nor Italian cases have anything to do with international law. Both countries voluntarily paid out those sums and asked for appologies from people who had been hurt by their acts in living memory.
I’m not aware of any area of international law (which is pretty vague) which can cover the U.S.-slavery case.
…and I stand by that original assessment. Nothing you’ve brought up has contradicted it. The Armenians aren’t getting cash: they’re having a HELL of a time arguing their point in court and in their case, they have a very clear lineage of the crime. Furthermore, the crime was conducted when genocide had already been outlawed.
To prove that black Americans are elligible for reparations because of genocide, you’d need to…
A) Prove that slavery was genocide in a legal and simply in a rhetorical sense (i.e. a conscious attempt to eliminate a people from the face of the earth);…
B) Prove that the genocide occurred under an operative form of international law which prohibitted it.
International law is clear on this point: a country can’t be guilty of a crime which occurred prior to the founding of the law. Seeing as how the earliest thing which could be understood as an international law or agreement against genocide was founded in 1899, then we’re pretty much SOL, aren’t we?
I suppose you could also try for reparations on the issue of slavery, but your going to run into the same problem again, I bet: international law won’t allow you to ask for reparations for something which wasn’t illegal under international law at the time.
So once again, J, the question isn’t and never has been “Can one bring charges for reparations in international court?”
The question is “Can said charges be made to work, in any way, shape or form?”
In other words, the question is “Do you have a case?”
The answer, as far as I can see, is no.
But people sue for sh17 all the time without having a case. You can bring charges up on anything you like. That was never at question. Whether or not those charges can be made to stick: THAT’S the question.
And J, no “we won’t know until we try” isn’t an answer unless the question is “How can we make money for lawyers?” Any ethical lawyer will tell you not to pursue a case unless you have some solid legal basis to do it. Sure, you can ignore the fact that you have a solid legal base, and charge away, but that’s not going to do you any good at all.
Its clear to see what was your original points. No amount of moving the ‘goalpost is going to change this fact:
I have quoted you at great lengths:
These were you initial comments.
As I said this is the ‘tactics’ you continue to use. When you are proved wrong on a point. You then go on to say, ‘I never said that’, ‘I never meant that’ etc. Or in this instance points 1 & 2 was not your starting point, but rather you begun your position at point 3 .
Let’s be honest here you are against reparations per se for Black people in America but you are attempting to utilse a ‘honest’ pretext to justify your position. And the one you are attempting to use is that you cannot see ‘how its going to work??’.
This in essence is what this dialogue is about.
on Tue Jun 1st 2010 at 00:16:33 Thaddeus
Nice try, J.
I’ll stand by what I originally said and note two things:
I’m not against reparations in theory, I think it’s never going to work in practice and that it’s thus a waste of time or a stoner’s pipedream.
I’ve been hammering out variations on this since we began our argument and I’ve not moved one jot from that position.
You can do all the creative cutting and pasting you like, but it doesn’t change that simple fact.
Nor does it change the fact thatm since we began the discussion, I’ve repeatedly challenged you to show us a pragmatic way in which reparations could be achieved, something you have yet to do.
Your entire argument regarding reparations to date can be summed up as follows:
“Friends, if we had some ham, we could have a ham sandwich, if we had some bread.”
on Tue Jun 1st 2010 at 00:22:00 FG
All this talk about reparations (i.e. cash handouts) is just a distraction from pursuing real solutions to the negative consequences of European colonialism. The focus should be on resolving the social problems experienced disproportionately by slave descendants and Native Americans so that they can catch up with whites. Why do so many minority families break up? Why do gaps in cognitive ability show up in minority kids at young ages? Why do so many minority kids get into crime and substance abuse? Determining the answers to these questions and formulating realistic policies based on them are key extricating ourselves from the racial quagmire.
on Tue Jun 1st 2010 at 00:59:14 MerriMay
Seriously, it’s like flogging a dead horse!! You’re spot on about those tactics though, it’s painfully obvious.
Merri, I seriously have better things to do than think up arcane strategies for trolling you and J.
on Tue Jun 1st 2010 at 10:34:57 J
Indeed Merrimay!!
What is even more ‘painful’ though is the influence that he and his partner (who is Black) has outside cyberspace iin the real world. With their anti-Black politics, and also – what must be assumed as the poor the level of education, if what has been shown on this blog, with the lack ability to reason, critical thinking etc. I dare to think how this all plays it out for the students but particularly the Black ones??
This is what is also painfully obvious!!
FG,
What you wrote her is a little confusing, can you kindly clarify??
When you say reparations is a ‘distraction’. Are you suggesting that those who are fighting reparations do not also want ‘social justice’ and parity within the US??
Nice ad hominems, J. I love you, too!
But here’s another question regarding reparations for slavery: do ALL descendents of slaves get them? What about white descendents of slaves? What about the white descendents of WHITE slaves?
It is no ad hminems – I just told it as I saw it.
If anyone is the master of ad hominems here then I am afraid not all the posters put together (since I have been here) would be able the amount you have spewed out.
I am not sure about your question on reparations either, unless it is another attempt to move the ‘proverbial goalpost’.
I think it is, be that as it may…
The law is clear, and it is usually ‘inclusive’ to all members.
Thus if Whites can formulate a claim, whether it be local or under international law, then they are within their right to make a reparation claim.
Its as simple as that…
The law is also clear that you can’t claim for crimes that weren’t crimes at the time they were committed.
How do you propose to get around that particular part of international law, J?
If ‘they’ can argue and give reason as to why the law should be used retrospectively – since it can be applied thus.
For instance with regard to Black people. Western nations and individuals are benefitting from the ramifications of slavery even today. Africa as a continent find itself in its current position directly as a result of this event.
So it depends if those who are advocating reparation can show that the argment of people NOT being alive is ‘superfluous’ to the effects of the crime, especially as it is still impacting today.
And again whether this argument will be accepted or rejected and/or before a court, does not preclude groups attempting to make such a claim, if they believe they have a ‘good’ argument.
on Thu Jun 3rd 2010 at 17:11:00 Thaddeus
The law is quite clear: you can’t hold people culpable for things that are illegal by today’s standards but weren’t illegal then. Retroactivity has nothing to do with it.
And once again, the argument here was never about whether people CAN take a case to court: it’s about whether or not said activity is a waste of time and resources.
I say it is. I challenge you to show us how reparations could conceivably IN ANY WAY come about. You have studiously avoided doing so.
Given that, I think it’s quite safe to assume that reparations, for you, is a convenient dogma and not a practical strategy.
on Fri Jun 4th 2010 at 00:25:59 J
Someone somewhere else had made reference to Roots.
Now this film is not for the fainthearted. I have just found my own personal copy a second ago, by chance.
“American distributors felt that such scenes were too incendiary, and forced Jacopetti and Prosperi to remove more than thirteen minutes of footage explicitly concerned with racial politics for American and other Anglophone audiences”.
xxx xxx xxx cert 30.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3766149445318503265#
on Fri Jun 4th 2010 at 03:16:58 leigh204
^ @J:
I finished watching this just now and it was stomach turning. The rape/torture scenes…omigosh. Everything was disturbing and sickening.
on Thu Jul 15th 2010 at 14:35:50 Kwamla
Curious. I just decided to what this film. I was indeed shocked!!!
I had expected a semi- disturbing watered down version of what slavery was about. But I have to say I was truly surprised…
@J
The background info you provided is also quite useful. And I can imagine why they might want to do this. I wonder what those omitted scenes would have looked like?
This film should be compulsory viewing in all educational establishments. Simply for the purpose of allowing ALL peoples – Black, white POC, Jews etc.. to re-connect with the horrors of the past most inhumane treatment of a people.
I say this because I believe most of the present traumas and conflicts today between Blacks and whites can be traced directly to this 500 year period of shielded history.
One of the beautiful touches is how the narrator, towards the end, plays out scenes from the past and contrasts these in the present (Not sure when this is).
It clearly shows how much of this conflict is still trapped in the psyches of all of this. So for me films like this are about releasing guilt and shame NOT about holding on or increasing them
Sadly, this view is obviously not shared by the American distributors.
Now I wonder if Thaddeous has watched the film and commented on it? Some how I doubt if it would make any difference to his presentation of views.
One last observation: I noticed at the end when the film attempted to show white people on the receiving end of the same brutal violence they inflicted on Black people.
Lets suppose all those people running around naked, brutalized and de-humanized had been white and the people carrying out these inhumane treatments as well as documenting the process had been Black. In other words Black people (Or any other peoples of colour) exchanged places with white people.
What would have been the affect on the white psyche?
And would the American distributors still have wanted to censor or make those cuts?
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on Thu Feb 9th 2012 at 05:28:56 Maurice L
Damn this was a good post. The comments are good as well.
on Sun Jul 8th 2012 at 15:58:23 rb
I think that this is abit racist
on Mon Aug 27th 2012 at 18:59:59 admin
Why have you not mentions ANYTHING at all about the Arab slave trade and the 150 million Africans enslaved by the Arabs, and the 50 million whites, asians and orientals enslaved and sold by Muslims? Why have you forgotten that Muslim sharia law and the mass conversion of Africans, is what brought and invented the slave trade and export of human beings to Africa over 1000 years before any Hispanic, Oriental, South American, European or American were even involved in slave trading?
And you have also omitted that African kings REFUSED to end the slave trade and blame the British for interfering into their god given right to sell slaves. You also mention nothing of blacks in America who were freed – yet kept their own black slaves, purchased and sold them like other slave owners. You also mention nothing that after Africans were converted to Islam, they felt they had the right to enslave people and willingly marketed, captured and sold their own people – making millions in profit from this trade with Muslims.
At present in 2012 there are only two continents that still sell and purchase slaves: Africa and the Middle East. The trade continues, although no one in the west purchase slaves anymore since the past 200 years or so.
Why are you not writing about African slavery of their own people – which solely happened due to Islamic sharia law, which supports slavery? Most of Africa is Muslim, due to mass conversion of Africans during the 14 centuries of Arab slave trade.
@ Admin
When I write a post I write the title first. Then I write 500 words about it. The title of this post is “The Transatlantic slave trade”, not “People other than Europeans who traded and owned black slaves”.
I have written about Africans and Arabs and slavery, not as history but as an argument white racists use to preserve their moral blindness, which seems to be what you are doing:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/africans-sold-their-own-people-as-slaves/
on Mon Aug 27th 2012 at 21:53:08 SomeGuy
At present in 2012 there are only two continents that still sell and purchase slaves: Africa and the Middle East.
I have news for you; when Ukrainian, Russian and other Eastern European pimps kidnap women and have them locked up in a house selling azz and not giving those women compensation of freedom….guess what…THAT’S SLAVERY.
on Mon Aug 27th 2012 at 22:36:58 B. R.
Trans Atlantic reminents of slavery exists in Brazil, where they exploit workers to go long distances, stay in barricks situation, get room and board and work like dogs, but, there horrible salarie cant even pay the room and board, so , they cant even get out of the debt, they have to stay on as slave labor…this is more than once and they talk about it as slavery in the news , so that isnt my depiction…and these people are mostly brown and black people
We have all heard of that version with women and sex traficing, and, that is how it works with men, in labor camps…they cant pay off their room and board and transport debt
on Tue Aug 28th 2012 at 15:04:07 admin
We need to end the slave trade COMPLETELY no matter where in the world it is. Unfortunately when it comes to Islam, slavery is endorsed by the religion. This means they converted millions of Africans to Islam to become their co-partner in the export slavery business.
SomeGuy: everyone know’s that the sex slave trade, is slavery. Again 80% of the entire slave trade is managed by Muslims due to their religious laws, that see no crime in killing or enslaving other people. The rest is by Russian mafia gangs and other criminal organizations.
Today there are an estimated 27 million people living in slavery.
on Tue Aug 28th 2012 at 15:20:14 SomeGuy
Backpedaling.
Backpedaling? WHAT Backpedaling? There is no backpedaling about anything. You trivialize the origin of exported slave industry simple because you don’t bother to research it. Asia and the Middle East will not permit their history to be openly examined. 200 million slaves captured by Arabs and you spend pages and pages on hispanic, portugese, american and other slave history that were a drop in the ocean in comparison.
Blacks are the ones backpedaling right back into slavery, by converting to Islam! How dumb can people be? American prisons are full of blacks converting to Islam.
Go to youtube and listen to Simon Deng and other slaves who recently escaped slavery under Muslim law, after their countries were converted into Islamic societies. They imagined Islam would bring them good things to their countries. Instead after gaining political control, they quickly started enslaving people. You can buy black slaves for $10 in Sudan, Niger and other places that are MUSLIM societies.
This post is about the Transatlantic slave trade. You are not going to derail it with your rants about Muslims. If you want to talk about Arab or African slave owners and traders, then do so at the links I gave you (repeated below). That is the proper place to talk about that stuff – that is, if you are serious and not just about derailing this thread.
on Mon Oct 1st 2012 at 17:58:31 rj
A lot of people like to bring up free negro slave owners but none of them mention how those free negroes became free nor how they came to own slaves. If you’re going to talk about something, talk about the whole story,don’t talk about it half way
on Sun Jun 30th 2013 at 13:18:06 j2000scott
i wonder why the Holy Bible. recognized and did not condemn slavery.
here is my take: in Old Testament days 2000 b.c. to 400 b.c. slavery was
accepted. A practice of tribes capturing slaves included Egyptians owning Hebrews, Africans
owning Africans of different tribes, Apaches owning members of other tribes, etc.
No shame involved. A little similar to women of America in the 1850’s -1920 having few rights,
no voting rights. Normal in its time. Perhaps the law to love your fellow man as yourself
quickened, informed man of God’s Will, and put into motion an energy that will discredit
slavery as a moral practice. The issue of shame began with the Golden Rule tho it took years
to fully develop in man’s collective consciousness.
on Tue Aug 27th 2013 at 19:37:47 Anton
Thank you for this post. Yet it is horrifying. And yes, whites often think that Africa is a country.
on Thu Oct 3rd 2013 at 22:25:26 Queen Ciara-Adira
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on Tue Oct 22nd 2013 at 08:20:36 Dana
Ending the Slavery Blame-Game
By HENRY LOUIS GATES Jr.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/23/opinion/23gates.html?hp&_r=0
on Wed Dec 11th 2013 at 16:12:18 bethe37
Mel, I’m white and I have tears pouring down my face. Did I know all this stuff already? Yeah, but it sickens the heart to read it. How is it possible we live in a world so dark? Thank God change has come thru good men and women who sacrificed so much to bring change, but then… it’s still out there, that darkness. Human trafficing. We must abolish the ownership and abuse of other humans… it must be wiped off the face of the earth. I pray, before one more child is taken, change will come.
Love your fellow man, stop hating. We need each other.
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on Fri Oct 10th 2014 at 02:39:09 Sherilyn
I don’t believe that Africans started slavery long before the Europeans showed up . I believe that they did sold their own for commodities yes because of greed but this information is totally bias
on Fri Jun 12th 2015 at 20:05:02 Nancy Griffin
“A common white belief is that Africans “sold their own” as slaves. That is based on yet another common white belief: that Africa is a country. ”
Did you just make this up, or did you assume this? The truth is that some folks believe that slavery was strictly a white-vs-non-white issue, and the point being made by some is that it was not just whites buying-and-selling non-whites, that some of the non-whites participated as well, whatever their motives.
Some historians claim that Africans also mistaken assumed they were selling other Africans into servitude, not slavery, which was a common practice in Africa in the 1700s. I am not convinced of this, but some leading historians believe it is true.
Either way, I think your statement is your opinion, not fact.
on Thu Sep 3rd 2015 at 09:27:57 talibmensah
Walter Rodney had some interesting thoughts on the slave trade as part of the process of Europe underdeveloping Africa…interesting book but not sure how seriously scholars of the slave trade take it
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Remember, savages–especially MOSLEMS–NEUTERED most their slaves, which is why it didn’t “fall upon the children”–what children?
For everyone else, if you could put two really expensive items together and have a third really expensive item free, you’d be a fool not to.
Savages (Before they were counted as human)
I’m sure if people found a way to make cars or money reproduce, they surely would.
BUT there are still two-legged puppy mills long after slavery, so what’s the excuse there?
Or are they continuing because slavery wasn’t ended in other countries?
on Sat Mar 26th 2016 at 16:06:36 Nicole cox
What was the aim of seasoning
@Nicole cox
The aim of seasoning was to break the will of formerly free people and replace it with the acceptance of servitude.
on Wed Mar 30th 2016 at 00:42:57 Mighty matty
stop Thaddeus.
on Wed Mar 30th 2016 at 00:52:42 Willy Wrangler
Thaddeus you need to stop with your novel jesus h christ
on Wed May 18th 2016 at 23:00:35 Foh
If there was limited food and water how did any of the slaves live forget half. No air how did they breathe? No space to even roll over which most were laying on their backs and were vomiting no reports of numerous deaths from choking. I can go on and on most importantly where are the North American slave ships? I’ll wait, not once in site and it doesn’t matter that they were wood this was just hundreds of years ago they would of survived. Basically my point is so far this sounds like a bunch of bullshit you know why? Because most black people were already here long before them stinking 13 colonies words of advice the only thing that matters is physical proof not documents because anyone can Doctor up fake paper work, don’t believe everything that’s told to you no matter who it comes from.
on Sat Oct 28th 2017 at 18:51:53 Tomism
“Many Jews look white but in essence are not white because they have Jewish blood…like people believe whites were behind the African Slave Trade, when it was actually jews. There were also white slaves, working next to black slaves… and black plantation owners, who owned white and black slaves. To afford the cargo, ships or pay the captains, set up the ports, took money, something most whites did not have back then….it took European Christian whites to end slavery, after fighting against the powerful jewish lobby to keep it going.” -Harold Wallace Rosenthal
Jews have successfully managed to shift the blame for enslaving Blacks away from the themselves to Whites instead and they’ve used this lie to guilt trip compassionate White people and to agitate Blacks against Whites.
Whites did not have the money to afford a slave, let alone a ship full…the ports, ships, cargo…the entire African Slave Trade was a jewish operation, from beginning to end.
Jews and the transatlantic slave trade forms part of the wider history involving Jews and slavery which involved not only Africans, but also Europeans (especially Slavs), Middle Easterners, Central Asians and others. Specifically in relation to the transatlantic slave trade, it deals with the transportation of Black Africans to the Americas. Jews owned many of the slave-ships and had a very prominent, even leading role in the whole scheme.
Jews also sold white people as slaves to the Americas. Where tribes in Africa would kidnap other tribes to sell them to slavery to Jews, the Jews would kidnap whites. The hundreds of thousands of whites who were kidnapped, chained, whipped and worked to death in the American colonies and during the Industrial Revolution is kept secret by the Zionist-controlled media.[1]
http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com
it was European Whites that ended the African Slave Trade, not jews or the King of Nigeria, who both fought against the ending slavery in European courts to keep it alive. The Jews were expelled from Spain on August 2, 1492, and from Portugal in 1497. Many of these Jews emigrated to Holland, where they set up the Dutch West Indies Company to exploit the new world.
White slaves were what this country was founded upon, especially in the Tobacco regions. They were worked to death and very few made to the conclusion of the in-denturedom. It was only when they needed a new slave class, that they started using the blacks. “White Cargo”
Slavery was NOT abolished by Lincoln…
just the name was changed to sharecropper with over 5 million Southern whites and 3 million Southern blacks working on land stolen by Wall Street bankers.
White, black, Indian, Hispanic, Protestant, Catholic and Jewish Confederates valiantly stood as one in thousands of battles on land and sea. Afterwards, they attended Confederate Veterans’ reunions together and received pensions from Southern States.
Photos of black Confederate veterans may be seen in Alabama’s Archives in Scrapbook – 41st Reunion of United Confederate Veterans, Montgomery, June 2,3,4 and 5, 1931.” Lincoln did not claim slavery was a reason even in his Emancipation Proclamations on Sept. 22, 1862, and Jan. 1, 1863.
Moreover, Lincoln’s proclamations exempted a million slaves under his control from being freed (including General U.S. Grant’s four slaves) and offered the South three months to return to the Union (pay 40 percent sales tax) and keep their slaves. None did. Lincoln affirmed his only reason for issuing was: “as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said (tax) rebellion.”
By 1699, the number of free blacks prompted fears of a “Negro insurrection.” Virginia Colonial ordered the repatriation of freed blacks back to Africa. Many blacks sold themselves to white masters so they would not have to go to Africa. This was the first effort to gently repatriate free blacks back to Africa. The modern nations of Sierra Leone and Liberia both originated as colonies of repatriated former black slaves.
However, black slave owners continued to thrive in the United States.
By 1830 there were 3,775 black families living in the South who owned black slaves. By 1860 there were about 3,000 slaves owned by black households in the city of New Orleans alone.http://conservative-headlines.com/2012/03/americas-first-slave-owner-was-a-black-man/
Black Slave Owners and the Civil War
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooSTTxfriC8)
Dr. Tony Martin –
The Jewish Role in the African Slave Trade
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut7I75Q_-zA)
White Slaves of Black Masters
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfi1xHjFdgM)
on Sat Oct 28th 2017 at 19:26:51 satanforce
Let me guess. White Supremacist pretending to be Nation of Islam?
on Sun Oct 29th 2017 at 01:38:15 Afrofem
Everyone is responsible for the Trans-Atlantic slave trade except the people actually responsible for the Trans-Atlantic slave trade.
European Christians and their descendants blaming everyone but themselves.
on Sun Dec 3rd 2017 at 09:54:38 tecneek
..even before that the moors, and the biblical Exodus..
Satan force, the JewISH are Khazar converts, and they in their own books documented how they orchestrated the slave trade, and owned slaves… They are the synagouge of satan, per King James Bible. Also, they believe in their Talmud, not the Torah. The Classic Talmud hates black people, and believe they were cursed to be ugly, and believe in sex with young kids.. It is all in their Talmud. THEY are JewISH alright, but not Hebrew Israelites.
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on Fri May 31st 2019 at 16:41:19 jefe
They claim that the ship that transported the last shipment of African slaves to the USA was identified in Mobile Bay. The article says that the last survivor died in 1937.
Remains of the Clotilda are discovered in southern Alabama
The remains of the last slave ship to arrive in America are found, near Africatown
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The Broken Africa stereotype
Tue Mar 13th 2012 by abagond
Somewhere in Africa in a place called Kenya
The Broken Africa stereotype is one of the main ways Americans picture Africa: a violent hellhole, savage and cruel, a place of war, genocide, famine, slums, disease, failed states, refugee camps, etc. Aids, malaria and Ebola. Idi Amin, Mugabe and now Kony. Rwanda and Darfur. Somali pirates. Corrupt government officials. Child soldiers. Black men raping virgins to spread Aids. The heroes of this piece? White saviours, like Bono and Miss Jolie.
White people to the rescue!
Africa was, is and always shall be backward. Anything good in Africa comes from outside. Africans can never do anything right – and never will. James Watson, co-discoverer of DNA who should know a thing or two about genes, said he was:
inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa [because] all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really.
I used to think this picture was a side effect of the Western press, which makes a living off of bad news, and Western NGOs, which make a living off of helping the helpless – making Africa the Country into a land of bad news and helpless people. Not so: the stereotype goes way back, to the 1700s, to the days of the slave trade.
War, famine, disease and evil men are found throughout the world and throughout history, not just in Africa. So why does the image of a Broken Africa stick?
The Rule of How Mud Sticks:
When blacks do something bad or whites do something good, it is largely due to inborn qualities – like “black” crime and “white” inventions.
When blacks do something good or whites do something bad, it is an exception or largely due to circumstances – like black inventions and white crime.
This creates an imbalanced, racist picture of Africa:
Mugabe? Proof that blacks are unfit for rule. Hitler? A madman.
The Rwandan genocide kills 800,00 Tutsis? Proof of how violent Africans are. The German genocide kills 6 million Jews? That was an exception. The Germans killed 100,00 Hereros in Namibia? Another exception.
Middle-class Nairobi or Luanda? Exceptions. The slums of Nairobi and Luanda? Proof of how screwed up Africa is.
African civilizations? They tell us nothing. Primitive tribes in out-of-the-way places? The True Africa.
Like most stereotypes it is two parts self-serving lie and one part projection:
Projection: It was the West that broke Africa. It was the West that was savage. It was the West that could not run things properly. Before whites showed up Timbuktu had more people than London and its schools were better known at the time than Oxford and Cambridge. After whites appeared over 17 million died in the slave trade and the slave wars.
Self-serving lie: The stereotype did not arise till the 1700s to excuse the slave trade – and later grew in strength during the white rule of colonialism. That Africa is poorer than Europe and North America has nothing to do with whites robbing it of human labour and mineral wealth. No, Africa is broken by nature.
The first picture was taken by photojournalist Kate Holt, who works for the British media and NGOs. If you click on the picture it leads to her blog where you can find out more about the picture and about her.
The first two pictures are from Dadaab, a vast refugee camp in Kenya where hundreds of thousands have fled famine and war in Somalia.
The third picture is from a coffee house in an upmarket Nairobi mall – also in Kenya. It is by Noor Khamis for Reuters and appeared in the South African press.
stereotypes about Africa
The Panama Papers – a more objective look at corruption than what the Western press presents.
White paternalism
White saviours and darkies
Chinua Achebe: Africa’s Tarnished Name
Why do whites hate, demonize, fear and look down on blacks?
A bit of realism for those interested in Africa
The Business of Saving Africa
An Open Letter to King Leopold II
Diop: The African Origin of Civilization: Myth Or Reality
Fanon: The So-Called Dependency Complex of the Colonized
on Fri Mar 16th 2012 at 12:39:29 Matari
Truthfully stated, Abagond.
Now let the trolling begin!
on Fri Mar 16th 2012 at 12:54:42 anglesanddimensions
Portraying the affluent class of Africa side-by-side doesn’t negate the fact that the sorry picture of Africa exists. It only serves to show the extreme inequality that exists in the region.
The poverty in Africa is shown with a purpose, and not a humanitarian one. It is used to show that Africans are inherently screwed up, they can’t govern themselves and hence they need American and European [conditional] aid, foreign soldiers on their ground, foreign control on their resources. To back this theory up they show the ‘benevolent whitey’ side by side.
In my country, India, I’ve seen many holding up the 58 dollar billionaires of India when they want to portray their country as a ‘good’ place. Nationalism obscures one to reality and makes them resort to absurdity when someone points out something that’s wrong in their country. Obviously, 58 dollar billionaires are a shame in a country whose 80% live under Rs.20 ($1=about Rs 50) per day.
But there’s one thing that must be mentioned about those who point out that something is wrong in a country – usually they are the ones trying to establish their superiority over another. You will see how the tone changes when you bring up IMF, World Bank, their conditional loans and aids, wars, sanctions etc imposed by the UN, US & Co because those point towards all the evils that their countries are doing, and they know they’re beneficiaries of it.
I have only one thing to say to those in the first world who point towards the poverty in third world countries – protest against your govt policies, stand up against the wars that your countries wage against others(Libya used to be one with a good HDI before Obama & Co. bombed it to the ground, and yes, sponsored the killing of blacks in Libya by the rebels). If you don’t, then stop whining and shove your charity up your backside. Don’t use poor people as an excuse to feel good without doing anything good.
on Fri Mar 16th 2012 at 13:20:15 leigh204
You know what I find repugnant? You see the media showing the likes of Bono and Angelina Jolie shaking hands with some of the populace, “Oh, look. We are trying to make a difference in Africa.” They don’t deserve recognition. Other people have been doing it for years. Did they smile for the camera and get a pat on the back for helping those in need?
on Fri Mar 16th 2012 at 13:22:47 Oyan (@Oy_aN)
I understand that this blog points out what was/is wrong with the evil behavior of Europe/whites and how they mangled and continue to mangle Africa/black, but, what is ‘wrong’ with Africa that this was possible. I was listening to a Youtube vid, and this professor , Dr Amos Wilson, spoke on how Europe attempted this horror on China, was initially successful, but the Chinese were able to repel them. ‘Other’ groups keep coming for us, why is that? There is this parable, “when you act like sheep, people will act like wolves”.
on Fri Mar 16th 2012 at 14:25:42 JC
What are your thoughts on the Arab slave trade? Slavery was not just a phenomenon of the West and Europe.
Very interesting article on the “Arab Trader Argument.” It would be futile trying to compare or judge which was worse. My feeling is that the European slave trade is still highly remembered due to the ever-lasting presence of NGOs in Africa, particularly when they are fueled by projections and self-serving lies.
On the other hand there aren’t any current issues that allow bringing up the Arab slave trade.
on Fri Mar 16th 2012 at 15:36:36 lokey
@angelsanddimension
Hello from your fellow countryman :). I dont know if you are in the US or in India, but I guess you got the picture, the Imperial narrative of the colonized has always been designed to shame the colonized into thinking the other (colonizer) is great while making the colonizer feel superior to the colonized.
Gandhi called this phenomena: Drain inspection. The chief artist of this deception against India was an American white woman (who was also a racist, anti-immigrant conservative who would fit right in with the loonatic racists of the tea party of today).
You can read more here: http://www.lehigh.edu/~amsp/2006/02/teaching-journal-katherine-mayos.html
She was hijacked by the British propaganda machine and because she was white and American, most people in the US and UK (and more shamefully our own Indians) brought this racist/biased narrative.
Now you can see that this culture continues by way of rented-negroes (in these case rented-Indians) see here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17377895
I just looked at the comments, it is hilarious that the Arab trader argument popped up like clockwork. These guys are like automatons!
@ JC
My feeling is that the European slave trade is still highly remembered due to the ever-lasting presence of black people in the Americas.
As if on cue:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-57398804-10391698/george-clooney-arrested-during-protest-at-sudanese-embassy/
It is becoming so predictable and hollow.
on Fri Mar 16th 2012 at 16:54:57 Franklin
It’s funny, because the time I spent in both Edo State and Lekki Nigeria was simply fantastic. There are many spots that are incredibly modern and over looked, while there were many spots that were poor and over exposed. The people though, were more aware of their situation then the (whites) West give them credit for.
on Fri Mar 16th 2012 at 17:27:45 truthbetold
I will respond later when I have more strength.
My heart is weary from the last post on the killings of our people.
@lokey
Hi!(Punjab? Am from Kolkata) Among the many issues with Gandhi’s observations is that he failed to grasp the cause-and-effect relations and thus reached a wrong conclusion. While I do agree that colonizers and neo-colonizers everywhere try to paint the colonized people as horrid, irrational people unable to govern themselves and I do caution myself and others against accepting accounts by colonizers without solid evidence as they’re most likely liars, I do not agree with the approach taken by Abagond here, or nationalists at home to counter such ‘drain inspections’.
Drains need to be inspected. Not by degenerates like Katherine Mayo who use the drains in order to turn the whole country into a stinky swamp, but by people who would clean the drains up. Katherine Mayo and her likes in the US want to rob people of their sovereignty and exploit them all the while justifying the exploitation with the theory that we’re not fit to govern ourselves.
Yes, India is an extremely poor country. The denial of this fact is denying the truth and supporting the ‘feel good’ feeling propagated by the media in order to keep the countrypeople from a revolution. It is like someone from the slavery era saying that there are slaves who have better masters who don’t beat them up and feed them well and even let them read books. At home CNN does not mention poverty once on TV, in abroad the same CNN is gushing about poverty in third world countries. It’s against the ruling class interest to let the relatively better-off people here who can access TV know how hard the overwhelming majority of the country suffer. In abroad, the ruling class use the ‘drains’ to garner support for all the atrocities they commit in the name of help.
So yes, India is a poor country and I’m an Indian by accident of birth and internationalist by principle living in India. That does not make me or anyone in India superior or inferior to anyone and does not make us deserving of subordination or inherently screwed up. Want proof of how India or Africa came to be so poor? Look at the global powers, the corporations, the international organizations like the UN, IMF, World Bank. Learn some history and you’ll find that we’re not inherently screwed up. Rather, the ones who are trying to portray us as such are. As one commenter commented on this blog yesterday, “there’s no shame being a slave. Only a slaveholder.”
P.S. Gandhi was, without a shred of doubt, a servant of the colonizers. Gandhi opposed the struggle of the Zulus and defended the massacre of the Zulus by the British in South Africa, was racist to the core which is evidenced by his many remarks on the inferiority of the black race, opposed freedom struggles by labourers and peasants in India, openly said that he supported landlordship and opposed any kind of attempts to take away the wealth they held, worked as a recruit agent for the British army and declared that the British rule was a godsend for India. His ‘non-violence’ was only for the Indians struggling for their freedom because he knew if the struggle turned violent, the British would have to flee and the power would be seized by the people instead of the Congress party (created by the British) which existed to serve the interest of the Indian bourgeoisie. Obviously, given the nature of Gandhiism, it would naturally be the philosophy that the ruling class would want the oppressed class to believe in. Oppress without any fear of a backlash – the dream of the oppressor!
on Fri Mar 16th 2012 at 19:12:58 DarqBeauty
This post instantly made me think of this video. -_-
on Fri Mar 16th 2012 at 19:47:03 dave
I’ll concede the point about Mrs. Jolie / Pitt, however, when It comes to Bono I am going to disagree.
He doesn’t just use his celebrity and own money to help others in need in Africa…He does it throughout the world. Not only In America, but his own country of Ireland.
I saw him when I worked at the pentagon after 9/11 (I was there on the smoke cleanup crew.) He was also with Chris Tucker, by the way they looked to be having a ball together laughing and clowning each other. I didn’t get to meet Bono, but later on Tucker was walking around near the Hall of Heroes, which I happened to be cleaning and I met him. He was very nice and he wanted to see the devastation and he told me he offered officials there anything he could do for help to raise awareness by the use of his celebrity. Now why isn’t Chris Tucker and other blacks being yelled at. Why do you guys hate Bono so much. I think he is a nice man.
What about Sean Penn and the work he does in Haiti. Penn also partnered with Spike Lee on that movie he did to benefit with Hurricane Katrina victims.
on Fri Mar 16th 2012 at 19:55:14 brothawolf
I just had to deal with a fool on Colorlines.com who gave me his Western view of Africa as a helpless, corrupt place incapable of of self-governance and self-reliance. He objected to how the Kony 2012 issue is a “white savior” infomercial and the possibility that America’s main interests when it comes to any African nation is to make money from its resources.
It’s amazing what some people will believe without using their heads.
on Fri Mar 16th 2012 at 20:45:46 Tyrone
Africa was turned into a monopoly board by europeans, this fact is omitted from so-called journalism here in the US and abroad. Leaving out this info presents a false narrative to consumers of media, because all consumers of media don’t have the same level of understanding about the issue. If folk haven’t studied the history of what took place via the transatlantic slave trade, they would view africa as continually dysfunctional. It’s not what we see and hear in media, it’s what we don’t see and hear in media that keeps us in the fog. Whites portray native africans as out of control, knowing damn’ well that their race is the source of the problem. This allows them to play the role of “Savior” that we have all come to despise. Brad Pitt, Angelina, Bono, and other bleeding hearts will never be honest about who created the chaos that we see in some african countries, Never!
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on Fri Mar 16th 2012 at 22:15:47 Mel
@Oyan,
Other’ groups keep coming for us, why is that? There is this parable, “when you act like sheep, people will act like wolves”.
I do sometimes feel blacks “welcome” the victim-hood portrayals. I often find it aggravating the way blacks welcome cameras to film them. Those videos of Africans dancing and singing for white audiences annoy me. So do those “news” pieces with black women crying about how “single” /unmarried they are. Why allow mainstream media to victimize you?
What many black people don’t get or understand is that many non-blacks, particularly whites, believe, as a natural rule, that blacks are genetically or intellectually inferior to whites and other groups.
From this “blacks are naturally inferior” belief, they build all their opinions, laws, attitudes, etc about blacks.
I volunteered at a local high school in 2010, and was allowed to sit in on the staff meeting, where the officials discussed “dumbing down of the curriculum.” The school is mostly black and South Asian, and when I asked why they were dumbing down the curriculum (which made it difficult for the kids attending the school to get into universities), the answer was that the kids can’t handle the tougher curriculum, so the solution, naturally, is to dumb it down.
Now, if I were a parent with a kid at that school, I’d be offended that they’re doing this, because I understand why they chose this as a solution…they believe the black and South Asian kids are too dumb.
So Mel, just to be clear, are you’re saying here that you were okay with the dumbing down process (not offended) because you’re not a parent with a child attending that school?
Were any African or South Asian staff members attending that meeting?
on Sat Mar 17th 2012 at 00:37:40 destructure
I used to care about what happened to poorer countries. But this post has really straightened me out. From now on I promise not to give a $#!t.
on Sat Mar 17th 2012 at 01:05:49 Franklin
@ Destructure
If your belief is that flimsy and is swayed that easily then it probably wasn’t genuine in the first place. But that’s me posting as if I has no idea that you were just some dishonest white who’s trying to paint himself as an open-minded person who is now deeply offended because of some cruel boogeymen that he was fighting for.
on Sat Mar 17th 2012 at 01:28:47 Adeen Danica Mckenzie
Abagond, I am glad that you posted this post. Good post.
on Sat Mar 17th 2012 at 02:03:27 Bliff
@mel
the answer was that the kids can’t handle the tougher curriculum, so the solution, naturally, is to dumb it down..
Finally, a sensible school district. Usually, the teachers, administration, community, or white people are blamed, usually in a game of musical chairs which of this takes it’s turn in being blamed. Finally, they have awoke – maybe its the kids.
@anglesanddimensions
58 dollar billionaires are a shame in a country whose 80% live under Rs.20.
You know nothing of the generation of wealth in an economy. The presence of biliionaires, indicates a growing economy. From India’s lower economic base, much money is made by entrepreneurs who create business and start to produce goods for the people. The entrepreneurs can make a lot of money in these intial stages.
those who point out that something is wrong in a country – usually they are the ones trying to establish their superiority …..Don’t use poor people as an excuse to feel good without doing anything good. Not always. There are many honest charitable organizations, nost of them white. Your racist attitude toward them may explain your poor opinion of them. Would you rather we not send the money? Because if that is your attitude, maybe we should not.
@leigh204
Bono and Angelina Jolie shaking hands with some of the populace,… They don’t deserve recognition. The use of celebrities to bring awareness, action, and money has been used very successfully for a wide range of causes. People would normally not listen to simple pleas for help unless there is something that catches their attention – celebrities, pictures of children, or highly polished videos.
So perhaps you should put aside your disdain for white people and think about how the disadvantaged are helped by the celebrities’ efforts. It’s irrelevant whether Jolie and Bono are getting more than their share of publicity.
It’s disgusting to me how many commenters disdain white people so much that they would criticize their efforts to help.
@Bliff,
But it’s okay to have a disdain for blacks, including Africans, because you, as a so-called race realist, believe they are not as intelligent or sufficient as whites?
I’m just asking.
on Sat Mar 17th 2012 at 02:53:40 leigh204
Pffft. What do I care about white celebrities bringing attention to causes. I personally know people who do a lot more in helping others and don’t go in front of a camera to do it. GTFO.
on Sat Mar 17th 2012 at 03:17:21 FG
Stop blaming Americans for everything and start paying more attention to the problems of your own country!
on Sat Mar 17th 2012 at 03:34:12 DarqBeauty
FG obviously hasn’t read the post and the comments.
on Sat Mar 17th 2012 at 05:15:03 dave
I would like to hear some credit for this man here.
on Sat Mar 17th 2012 at 07:55:21 anglesanddimensions
@Bliff
And your profound knowledge of economics astounds me. For twenty years since neoliberal policies have been adopted India has been experiencing what economists call ‘jobless growth’. Unless ‘growing economy’ means increased economic inequality, I don’t see how we can call the economy of a country which has the highest unemployment rate in 20 years growing. Goods for people? The purchasing power of the common Indian is mentioned in my previous post. Social welfare indicators are indicating the worst in 20 years. Some amount of industrialization is happening all right, but at the cost of farmers and tribals who are displaced from their lands creating several times more jobless and homeless people than the factories can hire. Again there are the huge number of factories that shut down and small businesses are getting wiped out.
Trickle-down economy has failed. It is clear as daylight and anyone with a slightest bit of brain can see why. So we’d better stop being happy about pumping money into the tummy of the super-rich.
Not always. There are many honest charitable organizations, nost of them white. Your racist attitude toward them may explain your poor opinion of them. Would you rather we not send the money? Because if that is your attitude, maybe we should not.
There may be “honest” charitable organizations, but charity is merely a way to keep people from an uprising. Charity does not solve poverty, it keeps a very tiny percentage of people in poverty barely alive. An investigation into the cause of poverty reveals what policies are responsible for it and who wanted to implement those with what intentions. This part gets really uncomfortable for people like you who think you’re doing us a favour by tossing $5 a week at us. That is why people like you will boast of charity but start opposing anyone who will stand up against the cuts in welfare, the liberalization-privatisation-globalization drive. If those organizations really wished to solve the issue of poverty, they would have hit at the core reason of poverty, the international policies, organizations like WB and IMF, imperialist wars, sanctions imposed on countries (US is threatening to impose sanctions on India if the latter doesn’t stop buying oil from Iran) etc. and finally capitalism itself.
So save your favors. Do away with the charity industry by all means. Hardly makes a difference to the poor population, but at least it will stop the people who want to boast to people ‘you know, I donated to the poor kids in Africa, oh how poor they are’ without any significant loss to their lifestyle and all the while supporting the system that keeps their privileges intact and makes the poor people poorer.
on Sat Mar 17th 2012 at 09:48:26 malkia
Thanks for this post! Especially in the wake of that Kony mess and now George Clooney!
@Destructure honestly, I really do wish all of you would leave us alone. Thanks. Your “help” is more about how good you want to feel than about us really. Am not trying to be your feel good moment. I don’t think many Africans like it.
I agree with Mel. A lot of white people do truly believe that black people are inferior. I will not believe otherwise. A couple of things they have said:
1. Oh look at Rwanda, these primitive savages killing each other over some ancient tribal feuds. Never mind that people were fighting over systemic inequality introduced by the Belgians.
2. On critics of Kony 2012: “Well at least we care about your hellhole!” “at least WE are doing something unlike YOU Africans” “Africa is just stuck in the stone age, we should leave those uncivilized people to kill each other”
3. Saw a story on dead elephants on CNN, the white people almost dying over a dead elephant in fact some were saying that they should be moved out of Africa. Next story was on Sudan…”primitive savages” seemed to be the underlying message in their comments.
I could go on and on, but this is the general meme of their arguments.
Finally, Africa does have a lot of problems, I do not deny that. I live here and we are all faced with our problems. But we are more than the sum of our failures.
Here is fact: 8.5 billion dollars worth of diamonds are extracted out of Africa every year. It is enough to wipe out hunger and poverty in Africa.
This is just diamonds. Here is another fact: only an eighth of Africa’s mineral have been discovered. The clamour for Africa’s rare minerals have began. There is no continent like Africa. Congo alone could feed us for 20 years. I wish we could really see how much we have and rise as a people and take fate into our hands.
@Oyan, I agree with you. We as Africans and black people are way too forgiving! Look at the Jews, they did not forgive or forget. We should emulate them!
“But that’s me posting as if I has no idea that you were just some dishonest white”
But of course I’m a “dishonest white”. Is there any other kind? And each one of us is more racister than the next, right? That’s why I came to this blog — to learn da troof.
Yes, yes, yes. A person with no real purpose or argument is using colorful sarcasm as their “Hail Mary Attempt” to sway people’s attention away from that fact. It was only a matter of time.
malkia
honestly, I really do wish all of you would leave us alone. Thanks. Your “help” is more about how good you want to feel than about us really. Am not trying to be your feel good moment. I don’t think many Africans like it.
I can assure you that Africa has never been my “feel good moment”. I’ve never been there. Never plan to go there. And I’ve never given a cent to any charity except for those performing medical research. I believe most charities end up making things worse. People shouldn’t become dependent on handouts whether it’s welfare or ‘save the children’. There’s a reason national parks have signs that say, “Don’t Feed the Bears.” It’s bad for bears and its bad for the people feeding them. And it’s just as bad when people get charity.
on Sat Mar 17th 2012 at 18:01:00 Nom De Plume
I’ll say it again. Subscribing to The Africa Channel through my cable company was one of the best things I’ve ever done.
Pffft. What do I care about white celebrities bringing attention to causes.
Pffft yourself. Apparently you don’t care about the disadvantaged either, otherwise, you wouldn’t put down people like Jolie or Bono.
@brothawolf
disdain for blacks….believe they are not as intelligent.
Saying blacks is less intelligent than whites is something I have come to believe as an explanatory principle of blacks, condition. It’s not something I created, nor do I say it in any disdain….it’s just something that’s true and explains an awful lot. You are just shooting the messenger.
I “disdain” I speak of here is those who speak ill of those who are helping. I am criticizing the criticizers for what they are doing – disdaining – not for any of their abilities. People are held responsible for what they do, not for who they are.
neoliberal policies That was India’s first mistake. Should have tried capitalist policies. Works much better.
Trickle-down economy has failed. Don’t think so. The strange term just makes it amenable to ridicule.
Charity does not solve poverty, it keeps a very tiny percentage of people in poverty barely alive. This is all charity could ever be expected to do. Solving poverty comes from the country, their government in its policies, and the people themselves, including developing/adopting a culture of growth.
This part gets really uncomfortable for people like you who think you’re doing us a favour by tossing $5 a week at us No, I personally don’t even do this; hence, no discomfort. I give $0 to overseas charities. They let do it on their own. They constantly criticize USA and Americans, so let them pound salt.
core reason of poverty, the international policies, ….., and finally capitalism itself Lady, I’ll bet you learned your wacko liberal-socialist ways right here in the USA at one of our fine leftist universities. We wouldn’t need any international policies if the poor countries were already doing fine on their own. Capitalism is the GREATEST solution to poverty. Look at Hong Kong, Asian tigers, and China. They are growing due to their adoption of Western (white) capitalist policies.
Do away with the charity industry by all means. Here we agree. YOU can be the one to tell your people you recommended turning down western money because it was given by snotty white people. Then take the first flight out of your country immediately, for your own safety.
stop the people who want to boast to people ‘you know, I donated to the poor kids in Africa Really. You think this is why people do this? Do you think white people are not caring? How RACIST!!!!
on Sat Mar 17th 2012 at 19:13:08 Matari
” I agree with you. We as Africans and black people are way too forgiving! Look at the Jews, they did not forgive or forget. We should emulate them!”
Speaking with my individual POV as a descendant of those kidnapped from somewhere in West Africa, I don’t think Jews are the people we should emulate. Without going into a lengthy post, here’s why.
There exists in a Marvel Comic storyline about a mythical technologically advanced self-sustaining, never colonized, never conquered Kingdom/nation in Africa that’s run by a fictional King/Ruler named T’challa, aka The Black Panther.
This “fictional” Kingdom, an African nation named Wakanda, imo, is closer to who we once were as Africans, (i.e. the Moors ..) in antiquity than the present model of real life Jews.
If we need to emulate someone, let’s model ourselves after own ancestors/people before they were overcome by Europeans.
Even the mythical Wakandan empire is a better role model than modern, present day Israel largely comprised of Ashkenazi Jews. How can it be good for our young to grow up wanting to pattern/model/emulate after a group made up of largely European people? Haven’t we already witnessed enough of the harm internalized racism has pained us?
*Yes, we should never forget ..or repeat our mistakes.*
on Sat Mar 17th 2012 at 19:30:30 vanishingpoint
@Bliff, ever hear of Lauren Gallindo? Jolie’s adoption of her son from Cambodia was tainted, and the facilitator(Gallindo) was arrested and convicted of child trafficking.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/08/1073437411857.html
Also, another saviour, Madonna, took David from Malawi even though he was not an orphan, his father visited him every week and never gave permission for him to be adopted.
I guess splitting up families due to poverty is helpful and good?
@ Bliff
Get a clue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
You’re new around here, aren’t you? And you don’t have a clue as to the kind of person I am so please spare me with the “you don’t care about the disadvantaged either” crap. Again, what do I care about Angelina Jolie and Bono? They’re just a bunch of rich, influential white people who smile for the camera patting themselves on the back for the “good” they’ve done. What a great photo op.
on Sat Mar 17th 2012 at 20:10:16 JC
Don’t forget to add George Clooney to the mix….It’s almost as if he was trying to purposely get arrested this week in Sudan.
Is this supposed to be raising awareness or attention grabbing self-aggrandizement?!?!
on Sat Mar 17th 2012 at 21:24:08 Herneith
(The spirit of Rochester rasps); “Help us, help us lousy nigras sah! What is disgusting is they have neglected to clean up their own back yard whilst helping someone else with theirs. Anything to keep the nigras at home in their place. At the same time you can feel good about yourself for helping the nigras overseas!
Why don’t you go kiss some more white behind?
Thanks white folks! Now can you do for us here at home what you are doing for others abroad?
@anglesanddimensions:
He is smarter than you because he is a white man, never forget that!
But of course I’m a “dishonest white”. Is there any other kind?
If there is I have yet to meet one! Really you sound paranoid.
There’s a reason national parks have signs that say, “Don’t Feed the Bears.” It’s bad for bears and its bad for the people feeding them.
Stop! Will the lunacy never end? What's wrong with you?
People are held responsible for what they do, not for who they are.
If that were true you would stop writing the reams of garbage that you do.
1. So, what you’re saying is that any theory that “proves” the so-called inferiority of blacks and Africans is something you would automatically believe without question? (yes or no) And any proof that counters this is just wrong? (yes or no)
2. No one here has the right to question or criticize anything they find suspicious when it comes to whites always being seen as saviors of Africans even though that not only does it offend, but also raises important questions? (yes or no)
3. If people are held responsible for what they do and not who they are, then:
a. Why can’t we hold you responsible for the racist…i’m sorry, race realist crap you spew all the time that offends the people here?
b. Why is it you believe that blacks and Africans are responsible for the ills they go through and face because they are black and African and nothing else?
c. Why don’t you hold white people responsible for the ills they’ve done to themselves and other people?
“Perhaps FG is another advocate of the:
— “non-American ‘foreigners’ have no right to comment on this blog-site and if they comment must only praise everything about the US” —
school of non-thought?”
I never told anyone that they can’t criticize the US (or other countries). I just think that several of this blog’s patrons have an unhealthy, sometimes hateful obsession with Americans and American social life. This reached a crescendo with the micro-analysis of the YouTube video made by those two little girls from Florida. If two 15 year-olds living in Britain or France made a comparable video, I wouldn’t give it any attention whatsoever. That’s because I am primarily (though not solely) concerned with what’s going on in the society in which I was born and raised.
on Sun Mar 18th 2012 at 02:22:39 Bliff
You’re new around here, aren’t you? Yeah I am, but more than a match for you, young missy.
you don’t have a clue as to the kind of person I am Let’s see – you think you’re nasty, sassy, think you know more than you do and you actually think that I care.
what do I care about Angelina Jolie and Bono? You missed the point. I don’t care Jolie and Bono either. However, celebrities attract attentionto their causes and that helps the disadvantaged. The point that you missed is the celebrities are unimportant, what they can bring in to help the disadvantagedis what is important. It seems you would let the disadvantage suffer, just to spite the celebrities. Do you understand now.
inferiority of blacks and Africans…believe without question I never stated I believed it without question, like I just woke up one day and it was convenient to me to believe. No, I believe, not in “inferiority”, like you state, but that blacks are less intelligent, more impulsive, and less forward thinking than whites, which causes them to underachieve in a white-based society like the USA. I don’t believe it without question, I have come to see it as a good explanation of blacks’ condition in USA, as opposed to the white racism charges of people like Abagond.
whites …. as saviors of Africans Why do you obsess on this? Whites do what they do to help, other people do what they do to help Africans. Just because there is some publicity in the USA about white peoples efforts, is no reason to get concerned. I would think you would be happy about anyone helping Africans.
we hold you responsible for the realist crap you spew What do you mean by responsible? You can challenge me at anytime on this blog. If you want me to respond, you must write something worth responding to, not just a bunch of personal attacks.
Why is it you believe that blacks and Africans are responsible for the ills they go through and face because they are black and African and nothing else?
As I said before, I believe blacks’ have trouble in USA because of what I said earlier. These are the main reasons.
Why don’t you hold white people responsible for the ills they’ve done to themselves and other people In the last 50 years, whites have been overwhelming helpful to blacks. Few blacks today should be concerned with happened before that, because that is before their time. However, I see many blacks, on this blog and others, who obsess over the past times. I think they’re just trying to scam whites and get extra benefits. Blacks need to let go off past times and be concerned with what is happening in the present and what that means for the future.
you can feel good about yourself for helping the nigras overseas Maybe you would prefer we don’t help the “nigras overseas”, just so the snotty white people don’t feel good about themselves? A great help you are to the disadvantaged.
@vanishingpoint
ever hear of Lauren Gallindo? No, I haven’t and I don’t care about Jolie’s personal life. I am just here to point out that many commenters would rather criticize Jolie, Bono, etc about the publicity they attract, out of jealously, rather than their efforts to help the disadvantaged. Would you would prefer we don’t help, just so the snotty white people don’t feel good about themselves?
on Sun Mar 18th 2012 at 03:15:40 DarqBeauty
How can someone think Africans are inferior then feel out of sorts because we don’t think Africans need white help? These people don’t care about Africans. So why are they pretending indignation. Am I the only one who sees how illogical this argument is? Abagond sure has some interesting visitors.People who think we are inferior, but will spend days and days arguing with those they consider beneath them. o_0??
You confuse me. The Africans can refuse white help at any time. How can you say whites don’t “care about Africans” when we do many things to help. I’m feeling that whites will be criticized by blacks NO MATTER what we do.
I never called YOU personally inferior.
“Reporter Asked Trayvon Martin’s Mom If He Ate Chicken! LAMO. How great is that!?”
That is what you wrote on another post. You are filth. Your diseased mind has been exposed. There is nothing you can say, no sanctimonious stance you can fake. You’ve been exposed by your own words. Don’t address me ever again. Just typing to you creeps me out. You’re a racist with a hard heart. You are irredeemable. I feel sorry for you, but on the other hand, I am deeply disgusted by your very presence. Please. Don’t address me again.
on Sun Mar 18th 2012 at 05:08:26 brothawolf
Bliff,
I won’t try to participate in derailing this thread for your amusement, but you’re just showing how trolls think when it comes to your comments: You basically don’t give a damn who you offend on this blog, do you?
Now back to our conversation:
You say you never stated you believed in black inferiority, but then again, I don’t recall you saying that you’ve questioned or not questioned it either until now when you said that you don’t believe without question.
Here’s what’s so funny. You say you don’t believe in “inferiority” and yet you say that blacks are less intelligent, more impulsive, and less forward thinking than whites which causes us to underachieve in a white-based society like this one. Well, what else do you call it especially compared with your brand or level of so-called intelligence, behavior, and mentality?
You don’t have to say “inferiority” outright if all that what you say you believe in compares one group of people to another based on your own prejudices. If you truly do think blacks are inferior, why not be a (white) man and say it instead of double talking.
If anyone is obsessed with white saviors it’s white people and their media. I’m not happy if all I see are white people as generous, altruistic human beings saving the poor, helpless Africans who can’t save themselves. Why the bloody hell would I be happy to see those images over and over again?
If you’re a white man with intelligence superior to my own, why don’t you tell me what responsible is?
I, Abagond, and most other people have challenged you. Yet, you come up with laughable, offensive, and degrading responses like a typical troll. We’ve written something worth responding to and yet you seem to cower behind your race-realism, fake knowledge of history, narrow-mindedness and other dehumanizing responses.
Why is it you believe that blacks and Africans are responsible for the ills they go through and face because they are black and African and nothing else? As I said before, I believe blacks’ have trouble in USA because of what I said earlier. These are the main reasons.
So, the answer is yes.
See? This is what pisses me off the most. You and your “that’s in the past and it doesn’t matter” crock of bullshit you always type.
And how the f*ck have whites been overwhelming helpful to blacks? Name some true examples–that have actually worked.
Your problem is that you can’t stand to face the truth of the white race’s past let alone the present. No wonder you have a poor knowledge of history. But I bet dollars to donuts that you would get orgasms about Paul Revere’s ride, Ben Franklin’s innovations, and the most important event, how this country was founded.
But Heaven forbid you learning about–and I have to keep this within the subject matter–European colonization of Africa and the West’s–and Europe’s–exploitation of the continent’s rich resources, and the support of the dictators of certain regions. All of which were orchestrated mostly by whites in a subtle method of modern imperialism for greed and power.
This is why I’m tired of seeing the same “white savior of Africa” image over and over again when most/many whites, especially those in power, have corporate interests in the land, and will do ANYTHING, which includes destruction, to take over.
For the record, learn to read directions carefully because I did ask for ‘yes or no’ answers and not paragraphs.
on Sun Mar 18th 2012 at 05:08:33 joshua
What should George Clooney be doing? I’ve seen him interviewed, and he seems to be truly passionate about the causes he gets involved with. Does anyone here know differently?
The map at the start of this thread is bogus. It is titled “African Slave Trade” yet the arrows coded for volume really only show the Atlantic slave trade.
Trickle down is a failure. Feudalism was an example of “trickle down”. The basic problem is that pure capitalism tends to concentrate wealth in few people to the extent that they can manage it. The sayings “it takes money to make money” and “them that have the gold make the rules” are as true now as they ever were. This is even more true in places without decent education systems. The rich can send their kids abroad – what do the poor do?
on Sun Mar 18th 2012 at 07:04:52 anglesanddimensions
neoliberal policies That was India’s first mistake. Should have tried capitalist policies. Works much better…
Lady, I’ll bet you learned your wacko liberal-socialist ways right here in the USA at one of our fine leftist universities. We wouldn’t need any international policies if the poor countries were already doing fine on their own. Capitalism is the GREATEST solution to poverty. Look at Hong Kong, Asian tigers, and China. They are growing due to their adoption of Western (white) capitalist policies.
Because there do not exist any mainstream leftist parties in the US, the American left is the global centrist with a Keynesian approach, practicing a somewhat cushioned capitalism. The political terminology is upside down – the Keynesians are called liberals. If you had the slightest familiarity with politics except what your mainstream ‘Faux’ and CNN are blathering, you would’ve known that neoliberalism is in common parliance what is called the free market policy. Fine specimen of the superior race, you are. And yeah, you lost the bet.
I will not derail the thread going into China’s widespread poverty, labourer repression etc.
I’ve seen American people boast of charity too many times not to think this is the chief reason they donate. I do not say there aren’t white people who care (this is so tiring and we’ve all been through this several times, but you lot are rigidly against any observation of traits prevalent in white people or American people. This helps you deny that environment conditions a person thus denying the necessity to change the environment and attributing everything to ‘genes’, ‘internal structure’ etc. Funnily, you people are constantly making general assuptions about black people, Arab people, Indian people, East Asian people, Muslim people and so on. While not allowing general observation of white Americans and making general observations of many other groups, traits get attributed to race, religion, nationality et al while the white American culture remains ‘no-culture’). Few people, of any ethnicity or nationality, really care. But there’s no point repeating what I’ve made obvious in my previous posts. Not sorry to disappoint you, I think that is exactly why people do this. And this culture of hypocrisy is spread with a purpose which is beyond your comprehension, I’m afraid.
Correction: *The political terminology in America
Just saw the ‘chicken’ comment. Go to Stormfront, that’s where you belong, bliff. I just hope there are no people of color in your neighbourhood.
Here is the Ugandan prime minister’s response video to “Kony 2012”. Notice how he sees northern Uganda as something to be proud of rather than something to be pitied or ashamed of:
Jesus Christ, of all people, said that if you do your charity for the world to see then it is not true charity but hypocrisy: you are doing it not out of love and concern but to make yourself SEEM like a good person to others.
on Sun Mar 18th 2012 at 08:01:16 leigh204
Wow, this fellow finds amusement with the chicken comment? Sick! You are so on the money about this pathetic excuse for a human being, DB. The fact that I even acknowledged his lowly presence gives me a feeling of revulsion.
@ Joshua
It does show African slaves going to other parts of the world. If you have hard numbers, rather than wishful thinking, to dispute the indicated volumes for those years (1500-1870) then please share.
Personally I doubt it: there is a huge African Diaspora (160 million people) on the shores of the Western Atlantic. I do not see signs of anything like it elsewhere from the past 10,000 years. The closest thing is the Bantu Expansion but that was within Africa.
In case you do not know, Arab slave traders are a moral fig leaf White Americans like to hide behind. As the map shows it is a pretty slim one.
@ leigh
Yuck, double yuck with a side of crispy fried nastiness. I mean who thinks things like that, let alone says them? smh
That chicken comment was in extremely bad taste, at the least. Therefore I have allowed DB’s and Leigh’s comments to go through.
A few more things you need to realize. The reason why, as you say, I–or rather we are obsessed with the white savior bit is because it’s shoved into our eyes and eyes all the time. We can’t go anywhere without hearing about it from the TV, the radio, or even our co-workers.
But do you hear or see POC going to Africa and doing good deeds there? Hardly. Does this mean POC, including blacks, don’t go to Africa? No. Does this mean they don’t perform good deeds over there. Again, no! But how often do you hear about them as opposed to the white people saving Africa news? You’d be lucky to hear about it at all outside of the Trinity Broadcasting Network, and even then it rarely happens.
The point is that Africans are not helpless. Only someone who learns from the mainstream media or raised by that way would foolishly believe that unquestionably.
I had to deal with two people on Colorlines.com who see white saviors as white saints!! They see this guy Jason Russell as an angel and his movement as something 100% noble. When I placed my two cents into the forum, one kept going on and on about why is this a race issue. The other believed that Africans are really helpless and hopeless. Both saw Kony 2012 as a God send, and despised the fact that questions and criticisms were made as a response. These two would not see what the “fuss” was about no matter what explanations were given. It was like talking to a two cartoon idiots.
I should post the link to the video about Jason’s bender. Then again, they may consider it as a leftist plot, anything not to see the shadows behind their “white knight”.
@ Bliff, etc
Given the bad relationship that whites have had with Africa – slavery, colonialism, neocolonialism, etc – any thinking person is going to question the motives of whites who want to “help”.
Whites in general have way more power in the world than blacks. That the prime minister of Uganda felt the need to defend his country from a YouTube video and found himself writing to the likes of Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga shows that imbalance. It shows how dangerous “well-meaning” whites can be.
Tourists spent $560 million in Uganda in 2008.
Invisible Children spent $3.3 million there in 2011.
If Ugandan tourism drops by more than 0.6% due to the “Kony 2012” video making people think Uganda is a dangerous place, then it will do more material harm than good.
on Sun Mar 18th 2012 at 11:21:00 sam
Broken Africa is basically the bases for racist propaganda in USA and around the west, mainly. The idea behind it is that because the whole Africa is just a cesspool of hunger, diseases and poverty and failure, no wonder that all the blacks are basically the same all over the world.
Broken Africa is the reason why blacks are below whites and stay there and should stay there. No need for complicated HBD theories nor any other scinetific crap, just point a finger to Africa and say: See? Broken Africa is the patent aswer for all questions about racism. “See+ Look at It yourself!”.
It is also very important, almost essential, to show year after year how the White West rescues africans from africans and most of all, from Africa itself. It is very important to repeat this message in various forms and platforms, overtly and subliminaly, ober and over again, untill it becomes a reality and replaces any other idea of Africa. It is via this repetition that comes the idea that it is natural to send in some relief troops or military into Africa to helpo africans, because they can not helpo themselves.
In this propaganda it is also very important to avoid all images, stories and videos of any sort of normalcy. Delete all information that shows how normal life is in Africa. Deny all the development in Africa. Also, high light the corrupt leaders of Africa as natural beings for Africa and do not even hint that those guys are stealing their countries blind with the help and assistance of white bankers and consults and big companies etc., sometimes with the helpo of white soldiers who may be “advisors” or “security consultants” or even “friendly forces supporting and protecting democracy”.
Put all these together and you once again can do what ever you want or need to do when ever it is in your white western interests. A very good example: somali pirates. International fishing industry has been stealing the fish from the sea and somali fishermen had no more their traditional way to support their families etc. They became pirates. And how this has been presented in the western media??
That is why and how Africa is ad will be broken in the white western media.
on Sun Mar 18th 2012 at 11:40:19 Matari
SatanForce
I see that you’re “trying” to read my posts. Good for you!! LOL
Keep at it. With time and practice your comprehension skills will improve.
In time, your ability to see past the box you’re in may improve.
At any rate, I think (despite your confusion) this point can’t be stressed enough. Israel is not a good role model to emulate! 🙂
What I actually wrote was:
on Sun Mar 18th 2012 at 14:45:56 Nom De Plume
“Which brings me to the 2 ‘little girls’ on their racist rant on another recent thread.”
“Do you have any sympathy for the black and brown little girls these girls were hating on? And you think Abagond wrote that post only for American commenters?”
I caught that comment, too. “FC” referred to the teen racists in Florida as “little girls.” On another thread, destructure seems to believe that Trayvon, who was around the same age, was a grown man because he could grow hair on his face and get a drivers license. Different commenters with the same double standard.
George Clooney is appearing on “Meet The Press” today, no doubt discussing his recent arrest in Sudan.
Let’s see – you think you’re nasty, sassy, think you know more than you do and you actually think that I care.
That sounds like you are describing yourself.
Do you understand now.
No. You’re writing in circles. On the one hand celebrities are unimportant. On the other hand they generate publicity for these photo-ops, I mean charities. If the celebrities are not important, then how do they engender the publicity to get people to ‘donate’ en masse to these charities? Maybe you and your ilk can promote these causes!
No, I believe, not in “inferiority”, like you state, but that blacks are less intelligent, more impulsive, and less forward thinking than whites, which causes them to underachieve in a white-based society like the USA.
What Bliff really means; “I hate ni&&ers, but am to ‘civil’ to use uncivil words. I prefer to baffle people with nonsense! It is more fun and helps me bolster my already low to non-existant self worth. Where would we be without the lowly negro to enhance our sense of worth or to compare ourselves to(of course to our betterment)?
If you want me to respond, you must write something worth responding to, not just a bunch of personal attacks.
Oh and I guess your reply to Leigh was constructive criticism, cretin?
I think they’re just trying to scam whites and get extra benefits.
Where can I sign up for this program genius? I could use the extra benefits and cash to buy a new handbag!
. Blacks need to let go off past times and be concerned with what is happening in the present and what that means for the future.
According to you, Bliff, we are less intelligent so therefore we cannot. Any suggestions?
So why are they pretending indignation. Am I the only one who sees how illogical this argument is?
Nope. I am starting to think they let the lunatics loose on the computers at the mental hospital. They are f—ed in the head, morally bankrupt among other things. It is too bad there is a comments policy here or I would really let this Bliff person know what I think of them. T’wouldn’t be nice and would make one’s ears burn!
on Sun Mar 18th 2012 at 17:03:19 truthbetold
@ Abagond, Leigh, Darq, Brothawolf
There are some folks on this blog, that I won’t mention, who just come here to incite and fan the flames of racial hatred. These individuals have no purpose here. They’re not here to learn or heal or understand a damn thing.
Just ignore them.
You’ll be better off.
I need to let them go stew in their own hate. They give me nothing in return but headaches.
on Sun Mar 18th 2012 at 22:09:20 kittyem
The woman on the first pic appears to be posing. It’s a norm for western jurnos to go to the refugee camps and actively look for the thinnest children to photograph. A former jurno narrated at how his former boss used to reject his work because the children were “not thin enough”
During the Horn of Africa drought last year, a common complaint among the Somali people at the refugee camps was the jurnos who kept asking them to uncover their children so that they can take “good” pictures. It seems the more the ribs that can be counted, then so much the better.
On the Kony 2012 issue, I learned that our hero recently embarked on a public masturbating frenzy. Apparently he is also a coke addict. It just goes to show that whites are still hankering for for negative narrative about Africa and they will reflexively buy into any such nonsense without even questioning who came up with it.
The third picture is from a coffee house in an upmarket Nairobi mall. It is by Noor Khamis for Reuters and appeared in the South African press.
on Mon Mar 19th 2012 at 00:04:58 Doug1
Projection: It was the West that broke Africa.
No it wasn’t. ssAfrica has always been a very lagging part of the world, throughout all history. There was no literacy in African languages until Europeans taught that to them.
Why? Because of the major geographic races with lots of members, ssAfricans are the least intelligent. Other races as distinct as ssAfricans are from the other six or so major geographic races, are even less intelligent on average than ssAfricans, such as the Koisans, Pygmies, and Australian Aborigines. However their numbers have always been relatively few, and also their impact on world history, A. Aborigines partly excepted due to overplayed by leftists white guilt.
The so called stereotype has TONS of truth to it, in other words.
on Mon Mar 19th 2012 at 00:12:47 JC
@Doug, did you not read the article? Yes it is TRUE that Africa has one of the highest poverty rates in the world, but this doesn’t mean all of Africa should be portrayed that way.
That’s how a STEREOTYPE works, by making blanketing assumptions across the board even when there is diversity.
on Mon Mar 19th 2012 at 00:45:19 Bliff
Oh c”mon the “chicken comment was in extremely bad taste”. This whole blog is in bad taste. People attack me personally all the time here. I’ve seen pornographic conversations on this blog about porn movies (Not that there’s anything wrong with that).
In fact,I was only quoting Oyan who stated it first.
It’s TRUE! Blacks are really OVERSENSITIVE to mild things. In fact, I think it’s worse than that. I think you guys feign being insulted just to have something to whine about and shoot back at the whites.
@Doug1
Good one. Nice to see someone else on this blog who actually knows something and has not bought into the Bad White, Good Black mentality.
You’re writing in circles. No I’m not. You’re playing games with the references to the word important. The celebrities are important to the charities because they raise awareness and bring in more money than if the were not involved. The celebrities should be unimportant to observers, like you, because you should be concerned with the charity work, not weather Jolie and Bono are getting any more publicity. You see? A completely contained reason thought, no circular logic.
What Bliff really means; “I hate ni&&ers. Wrong again. I believe what I said because it seems to be a good explanatory principle. Like a scientific theory. There is no hate involved. Just a dispassionate belief. I have no reason to hate black people. Can you prove that I do?
Where can I sign up for this program genius. You probably already have: affirmative action, anti-discrimination laws restricting whites’ actions, Title I, Head Start, many programs for the poor that help blacks disproportionately.
what that means for the future. If you can’t run or walk, then at least limp into the future. Quit whining about the past, and think about your future in this greatest of all countries.
where was the US when the Acholi people…Banyore massacre….Mukula massacre….Uganda People’s Defence Force…. DR Congo’s resources were being plundered?
The rest of the world, including you, apparently think they have some say in where the USA employs its military forces. The USA will employ them where we have an interest. Africa is not really that place. I wasn’t important when we were confronting the USSR, and it’s not so important in the MIdEast.
Contrary to myth, we DON’T jump into every conflict there is. We get blasted by the rest of the world as it is, so why would we jump into meaningless African conflict?
we are obsessed with the white savior bit is because it’s shoved into our eyes and eyes . It is NOT!! You’re just whining. I watch TV too and it’s just not on that much. If you don’t like it turn the channel.
I would really let this Bliff person know what I think of them. I think you already have….in so many words. Frankly, Herneith, I think you’re just ticked because the truth hurts; you know it and I know it.
on Mon Mar 19th 2012 at 01:37:52 Franklin
@ Doug1
Normally, I ignore your because your arguments because they’re flimsy and full of holes. But periodically, just to demonstrate how little you know, (despite all your desperate posturing) I like to prove that you’re an idiot and that you don’t know squat. Here we go again…
“There was no literacy in African languages until Europeans taught that to them.”
Right off the top of my head Ge’ez, Chromatographic Edo Script, Nsibidi, are three African writing systems among a number, that pre-date the arrival of Europeans on the continent. Now I’ll sit here and wait for you to shift goal posts, by attempt to invalidate that fact by saying something ridiculous like “There were no books, so it doesn’t count!”
on Mon Mar 19th 2012 at 02:56:24 DarqBeauty
” Now I’ll sit here and wait for you to shift goal posts, by attempt to invalidate that fact by saying something ridiculous like “There were no books, so it doesn’t count!””
Exactly. They may tell themselves that we are intellectually inferior, but who are the geniuses arguing with people they consider below them day after day? This is one of those regurgitated “facts” that white supremacist like to regurgitate. Even though the reality is vastly different. But hey, they can’t like little things like facts get in the way of their good old fashioned hate.
on Mon Mar 19th 2012 at 02:59:01 brothawolf
It is NOT!! You’re just whining. I watch TV too and it’s just not on that much. If you don’t like it turn the channel.
If you were to read the whole sentence, I mentioned other mediums. I should’ve mentioned movies as that’s a Hollywood narrative to produce at least once a year.
You’re backed into a corner for which you can not escape by using your ramblings.
Also Bliff,
I’ve written a bit about how people like you act in another thread entitled “My Philosophy on Trolls”. I don’t want to derail this topic. So, if you want to continue with your hatred, meet me there.
on Mon Mar 19th 2012 at 05:53:13 sam
@doug1:
“ssAfrica has always been a very lagging part of the world, throughout all history.”
Öööh… You do know that your ancestors came from Africa? Like, all humanbeings came from Africa, right?
And since we are now on the subject, what your ancestors were doing when the nubians were building pyramids or those guys in Timbuktu were collecting one of the biggest library in the world, or those guys in present day Zimbabwe were trading with gold and silver and building castles from stone?
You do know that most of the whites who escaped or were sent by force, were slaves or prisoners or just ran out from Europe because they could not make it there, could not even read, right? You know that at that time the english men bathed perhaps once or twice a year, right?
You do know that the parfume industry was created to cover up the rampant diseases in the court of the Sun Kig of France back in the late 1600’s because the smell of rottening felsh, infections, and other of such since they did not have a single toilet in Versailles nor used baths? Never mind that africans had have their parfumes for centuries by then and washed almost daily were ever water was available.
You do know that in 1700’s absolute majority of the white europeans could not read or write? Majority of the white europeans could not read or write in first half of the next century either.
You do know that there were massive famines in Europe in 1800’s?
You do know that it was only in 1800’s that the white europeans realised that it could be a good idea to wash hands before helping at child birth or surgical operations or at all? The japanese, chinese and indiand, arabs and some africans had done it for centuries by that time.
You do know that the Great White Man had no say so in most parts of Africa untill 1800’s? The funniest thing is that they died in there and could not live there because they had no idea how to survive there. The crucial point came when they realised that perhaps we should learn something from the natives, like kinine, the only working medicine against malaria, which by the way, the africans had used and known for centuries by then. And this happened in late 1800’s, not before.
Now I wonder, if africans and Africa had been lagging all trough the history, why on earth the white man did not take over before that? Why white men did not invade Africa before 1800’s? According to you, the place was a mess and lagging already.
Why not the vikings, who went to America and Asia and kicked almost everyones butts, did not just row their boats up the Nile or Kongo and kicked the butts of those black semianimals and steal their ivory and gold? They did it almost anywhere else, like in the White Sea area where they brought the northern ivory, tusks of the walruses. They were trading slaves from Ireland to Caspia Sea, so why not from Africa?
Why the great english sea dogs and explorers did not just occupy that lagging part of the world in 1600’s? Why the french did not do that? Or the dutch? I mean, they invaded and occupied the East India.
And on that note, why the americans, the greatest of the great whites, did not take over the whole continent from those savages in 1800’s? They took their own continent from the natives just like that, so it could not have been morally wrong or even impossible, right?
Ok, why the USA did not invade and take over Africa after WW1 or WW2? I mean, USA was the only super power in 1945. It could have been so easy. Right?
Now, lets see how the mighty USA has been doing in the lagging Africa… Somalia in 1990’s, anyone??
“Contrary to myth, we DON’T jump into every conflict there is.”
China 1945-51.
France 1947.
Marshall Islands 1946-58.
Italy 1947-1980’s.
Greece 1947-49.
Philippines 1945-53.
Korea 1945-53.
Albania 1949-53.
East Europe 1945-56.
Iran 1953.
Guatemala 1953-90’s.
Costa Rica 1950’s, 1970-71.
Middle East 1956-58.
Indonesia 1957-58.
Haiti 1959.
Guyana 1953-64.
Irak 1958-63.
Vietnam 1945-73.
Cambodia 1955-73.
Laos 1957-73.
Thailand 1965-73.
Ecuador 1960-63.
Kongo/Zaire 1960-65, 1977-78.
France 1960’s.
Brazil 1961-64.
Peru 1965.
Dominican 1963-65.
Cuba 1959- present.
Indonesia 1965.
Ghana 1966.
Uruguay 1969-72.
Chile 1964-73.
South Africa 1960’s-80’s.
Bolivia 1964-75.
Australia 1972-75.
Portugal 1972-75.
East Timor 1975-99.
Angola 1975-90’s.
Jamaica 1976.
Nicaragua 1979-80.
Hoduras 1980’s.
Philippines 1970’s-90’s.
Seychelles 1979-81.
South Yemen 1979-84.
Souht Korea 1980.
Tshad 1981-82.
Grenada 1979-83.
Surinam 1982-84.
Libya 1981-89.
Fidji 1987.
Panama 1989.
Afganistan 1979-92.
El Salvador 1980-92.
Haiti 1987-94.
Bulgaria 1990-91.
Somalia 1993.
Irak 1990’s.
Peru 1990’s.
Columbia 1990’s.
Mexico 1990’s.
Yugoslavia 1995-99.
Just few examples of conflicts were US military or CIA has been involved since 1945.
on Mon Mar 19th 2012 at 07:32:29 dee
I recommend everyone to watch this.
Ignorance is caused by, well, ignorance. Apart from American history, American schools spend way too much time only focusing on Europe. As a high school student, all I’ve learned about Africa from school are basically things that contribute to African stereotypes. I blame textbook makers, and schools, for buying these inadequate learning devices. I don’t understand why the good parts of Africa are completely ignored, beyond ancient Egypt and parts of South Africa. Just because someone doesn’t live in a mansion doesn’t mean their life sucks. But at the same time, there are many people who do live in mansions. I don’t understand why this sort of thing continues
@bulanik: No, he did not know, but then again, he does not believe it. He believes he sees on tv, on the right channel that is.
@bulanik: 😀
on Mon Mar 19th 2012 at 11:48:14 leigh204
Italy 1947-1980′s.
Guatemala 1953-90′s.
Costa Rica 1950′s, 1970-71.
France 1960′s.
South Africa 1960′s-80′s.
Angola 1975-90′s.
Hoduras 1980′s.
Philippines 1970′s-90′s.
Irak 1990′s.
Peru 1990′s.
Columbia 1990′s.
Mexico 1990′s.
Now that’s what I call a BURN. lol! 😀
on Mon Mar 19th 2012 at 12:05:36 Jack in the Box
So that’s where all my tax money went?
on Mon Mar 19th 2012 at 12:20:09 Matari
I recall seeing the above JS video years ago. SIX MILLION people from third world (non-white) countries are DEAD in the wake of the CIA’s 40 years (at the time that video clip was produced) involvement in the affairs “other” nations
Remember, this video was made way BEFORE the 911 false flag operation invasion that led to the phony War On Terror in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan (and Iran too if these crooks have their way).
The white racial frame propaganda machine prohibits people from seeing who the true, brutally efficient criminals are in America, and those who are dead as a result. Some of us here know that non-white dead (or alive) people don’t cause whites much concern, or sympathy.
Yet, incredulously adding insult to injury, the white racial frame (POV) maintains that blacks are the most violent criminal group in America that deserves incarceration.
The combined number of black violent criminals worldwide can’t begin to match the atrocities of the top 2% of white male criminals – the ones who wear badges, uniforms, white collars, carry brief-cases and have never seen the inside of a prison.
Remember this the next time a troll, or whomever, suggests to you that blacks are the most aggressive, violent and criminal people on earth.
Sam listed a number of conflicts that we were involved in, though I don’t necessarily agree with his list. These are conflicts we apparently wanted to be involved in.
You listed some we did not get involved in, so my original point, we don’t get involved in every conflict, still stands.
So, all US disruptive involvement in Africa is military? If you’re addressing me, please explain why would you even ask me this. I have made no such generalization. I made one comment about how the USA does not get involved in every conflict when you listed some conflicts in Africa you apparently thought we should’ve have got involved in.
on Mon Mar 19th 2012 at 13:31:02 Nom De Plume
“Does this means then, that the real challenge is to find other sources of capital?”
Dr. Moyo recommends encouraging and assisting people to start their own businesses. She says that http://www.kiva.org is a good way to do this, and believes it will prove to be more beneficial over time than funding from NGOs and others.
I know what you mean. I haven’t had any personal involvement with the organization. I just remember Dr. Moyo recommending it during one of her interviews.
on Mon Mar 19th 2012 at 20:46:22 Tyrone
All of us know that our african sistas and brothas have to reconstruct “Mama Africa” on their own accord going forward, but, we can’t allow those who created the mess to wash their hands of what we see taking place in nations such as Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Congo, Uganda, Nigeria, etc. We should bitch and moan about the ish that we see going on. As black people, we should be outraged at so-called black leadership in this country and in africa. George Clooney has to get arrested outside the Sudanese Embassy to bring attention to the genocide in Sudan and South Sudan, WTF? Why the hell are we voting for a bunch of yes men and women who don’t speak up for us anyway? The CBC loves to travel to africa, but can’t open their mouths when the s**t hits the fan. We have a so-called black president in power, and the bs is still taking place…Scary!!!
on Mon Mar 19th 2012 at 23:02:20 V-4
It seems like Dr. Moyo is ignoring the wests involvement over the years in creating instability and poverty, its not “aid” that has created the problem.
In a very real way, its the system she is talking about, capitalism, profitting off of another human beings misery is pretty much the central tenent of capitalism.
I mean, in the US we getting tremendous amounts of aid from China, so she may have a point. If China wasn’t willing to give us money would we have gone to war?
On the other hand; socialistic countries are way more stable than the ones like the US which are more based on a capitalistic economic system. Less criminal, more literate, less depression etc….
And her Ethiopian example; she pointed out the African average for ownership of cell phones was 30% so their must be countries out their that recieve aid that don’t fall under the Ethiopia example, countries that can do both aid and capitalism, why not look to them as examples?
That being said; she points out the problems with the Aids Culture, its messages are negative and ultimately potentially harmful as pointed out with Invisible Children, if they cause tourism to fall even a tiny miniscule amount they have simply done harm and no good.
The Aids culture message negates people wanting to do business or even interact in africa, while at the same time not pointing fingers at the damage our culture as a whole has done to Africa.
on Tue Mar 20th 2012 at 04:17:04 Secular X. Blood
You really should look at Unamusement Park. He has a great flyer on stereotypes (no, really).
There is this thing in statistics called “The Exception that Proves the Rule.” The term is somewhat misleading. A better, albeit less catchy term would be “The Anomaly that Highlights the Tendency.”
Hitler is one of those exceptions. As is Stalin.
Back to the thing about blacks being just as fit to run a country as whites. Are you willing to make the argument that South Africa is better now than it was 30 years ago? What about Namibia?
Human differences exist. Things would go a lot better if we recognized them and compensated for them. We would have saved millions of lives in America and Africa alike if we would not hide behind your liberal curtain.
If you would like me to show you some evidence that racial differences do indeed exist, you are welcome to email me (please resist the urge to troll). My email is secularblood (at) gmail (dot) com.
Unamused’s Blog: http://unamusementpark.com/
on Tue Mar 20th 2012 at 06:56:52 Franklin
Unamused?
Is that the same Unamused who didn’t even know that “The Rule of Thumb” was an idiom, that had his entire blog consistently refuted by the infamously nutty (but accurate) Obsidian (who Unamused banned because he couldn’t handle facts), and who has been thoroughly embarrassed on this very blog?
He’s a joke who “whores out”/shamelessly plugs his worthless blog and brags about traffic, like he’s some sort of posturing 12 year old that desperately needs validation in order to prove to himself “that he’s a big boy now.”
Unamused’s blog is like “The Mad Magazine of Genetics”.
on Tue Mar 20th 2012 at 07:50:26 abagond
@ Secular
Your approach has been tried and instead of saving lives it has led to the deaths of tens of millions of people, like Jews, blacks, Gypsies and natives on three continents. “Things” only went better for white Christians.
The current racism of ordinary White Americans, a racism much milder than yours, has led to the rise of the Kleptocracy, bringing levels of class inequality even worse than famously kleptocratic Nigeria. But then again, as a Social Darwinist, you are probably proud of that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/democide/
on Thu Mar 22nd 2012 at 04:20:15 Ace
That has got to be the best shut down of a “Africa’s always been horrible” argument that I’ve ever seen.
It’s funny how these same people won’t even go into how messed up Europe was throughout the majority of it’s history…
on Thu Mar 22nd 2012 at 04:32:40 V-4
Satanforce kind of has a point about Wakanda
I mean they bad talked the various modern powers at that meeting but they themselves do fuck all to help out the various countries around them.
Its a monarchy with an incredibly wealthy elite at the top with an incredibly poor bottom layer…..I mean the people at the top are pretty much techno-gods while the people at the bottom live in huts and still use spears to hunt.
Exactly why don’t they share their technology more, not only with other countries but within their own as well?
I don’t think there’s any escaping the class system they have going on if you want social mobility.
on Thu Mar 22nd 2012 at 22:25:43 Matari
“Lets look at Israel. A constitutional created from an international diaspora of varying peoples. They are energy independent, due to nuclear power. They can kick anyone’s ass, conventionally and nuclear – no nation in their vicinity can fuck with them!!! Through lobbying and and strategic alliances, they guaranteed the utmost support of the US . They have created a “start-up nation” , in essence, a national Silicon Valley. And most importantly, they have enslaved and destroyed the nation-state (West Bank, Gaza Strip) that opposed them. Cheap labour forever. Yes, they could be kinder, but fuck that.”
“I know. I know. I find it hard to escape the fact of how smart and conscious I am.”
And IMMORAL, too – which isn’t at all unexpected, given your name.
YOU would align, ally and imitate…
Theft and occupation of sovereign land, racism, hatred, oppression & mistreatment, slavery-like conditions & wages, expansionism, covert operatives/spies interfering in the affairs of sovereign nations, manufacture/buy/export hi-tech weaponry, attack Iran, (or have a proxy do it), control & own the galaxy. White Supremacy – Lite!
Yup … nice role model, indeed! Why not simply model yourself after the United States of America? The big cheese.
– chuckle –
No thanks Donald. I’ll stick with the imperfect, fictional Wakanda. : ))
on Fri Mar 23rd 2012 at 16:47:16 Bliff
If a Pan-African solution were created, say a 19 nation Sub-Saharan African Federal Republic (SSAFR), it would by simple definition, be a sub-continental superpower, on the level of Brazil, Russia, India, China and yes, the U.S.
You write some of the best posts on this otherwise lame black-centered blog. However, this one left me LMAO. Are you serious? An African super-power? Run by a bunch of countries who can’t even run themselves. Africa is so tribal each country is dysfunctional, unless bailed out by whites, or more likely now, by the Chinese.
I suppose they could use that Western black powerhouse nation that has been independent for over 200 yrs now – Haiti – as a template. Yes, with Haiti’s senior leadership, maybe they could pull it off.
on Sat Mar 24th 2012 at 07:54:42 sam
One thing from history when we are talking about how Africa and its history are seen and what really was:
How many of you know how big Christopher Columbus “ship” was? It was a pretty small boat, actually. Some plus 20 meters long if I don’t remember wrong. And how big were the “canoes” used along the Kongo river system from the earliest times? They were 50 to 60 meters long. They carried people and goods all across the “darkest Africa” for centuries before any white dude showed up with his tsuktsuk steam engines to the same waters.
Why not heavier boats? Because the canoes, just like those viking ships, could go trough shallow waters and navigate trough water vegetation, something that those steam engine boats could not do, even though they had nice sound and that advanced technology!
The guys living on the other side of the world in the New Caledonian islands had “canoes” even longer, carrying up 100 guys and their gear.
Ad the ships on the east coast of Africa? Well, they were bigger than any of the cogs in Europe for centuries. They were trading to Arabia and India and beyond. Some historian think all the way up to China. And this happened well before Marco Polo came back with noodles and created the spaghetti.
Also, something to think about: east africans were trading with the romans. They have discovered at least two cities (roman cities according to the white historians but it can be argued whose cities they actually were) on the east. These were trading with romans in Egypt and in Middle East via Red Sea etc.
The romans also recognised african kings and nations, they also fought long and hard wars against some of them, and if you read their texts about these african adversaries you’ll notice that the romans saw them as equal adversaries, enemies taken seriously. They were not less sub human savages than the celts or any other nations or people the romans met and fought with. Actually roman texts are more hostile and racist towards the northern people than the africans. Just read what they say about the people living beyond the germanic tribes.
So perhaps the history of Africa is not what it has been made to look like in recent decades or during last couple of centuries.
@satanf: Sure, but I just wanted to point out the fact that sea going vessels, which some argue were the reason for the expansion of the white european colonisation (and an example of more advanced technical know how of the whites vs black africans etc.) were NOT unique in the way some have seen it. And while we are here, some of the viking ships were pretty big too, from few centuries before those examples of wikipedia.
on Sat Mar 24th 2012 at 15:02:52 SHONDIS
to get arrested outside the Sudanese Embassy to bring attention to the genocide in Sudan and South Sudan, WTF?
YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT!! THE POINT IS NOT TO BELIEVE THE GARBAGE THE MEDIA SAYS IS GOING ON IN AFRICA IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! if you meet someone from sudan, ask them about the genocide and i bet they will say “WHAT GENOCIDE”???
I love the construction/development shown in those videos you posted. It’s in sharp contrast to what the western MSM shows what;s going on in Africa.
That said, there’s something a bit unsettling about the tall apartment buildings – they seem to suggest movement towards higher population densities.
My personal preference – lol – is for a much lower skyline that lends towards a more spread out community contoured and integrated with open spaces.
People, especially children, should be closer and more connected to the land, NATURE and natural open spaces, rather than concrete, steel, and super tall hi-risers.
Perhaps those skyscrapers are the more affordable housing units for the less well to do as oppossed to the beautiful homes being constructed for the upper-middle class?
I love your Malcolm X picutre. I listen to him these days instead of Lil Wayne and I am a Black teen. I wish you can get other Black teens to stop listening to Lil Wayne and start listening to Malcolm X’s message and speeches. He is way more important to Black History and more inspirational.
As for the Broken Africa Sterotype, where did that come from? The last time I studied African history, there were rich civilizations such as the Mali, Songhai etc. Africa was a rich contient with gold and resources. Even though Afirca seems to be poor today, some people from Africa tell me that there are shopping mall and things in Africa. They never show that on the TV and I always wondered why.
Ms.McKenzie,
Thank you. I totally agree with your opinion regarding Malcolm X vs many of today’s “commercial entertainment artists.” I’m certain there are other young people, however few they may be, who also (or will come to) share your view.
Why is Africa almost always shown in a very negative way on TV?
In a word: RACISM.
White Supremacy/Racism (whiteness) – in order to maintain itself – must elevate itself by devaluing/deflating others.
They transmit their supposed superiority and others’ supposed inferiority messages in thousands of different ways that affects everyone – whether they realize it or not.
Whiteness prefers to showcase Africa’s weaknesses and problems while failing to highlight her strengths, vast potential and material wealth/natural resources. Its intent is to own and control all or some of Africa’s vast mineral abundance because of its insatiable greed/need to consume/control everything and anything within its reach or grasp. Whiteness is like a really bad mental, emotional, spiritual sickness that cannot be cured or fixed.
Thank you because I go to school and all they talk about is Africa being poor and not being anything. I always found that strange.
The movie, Hotel Rwanda was shown in my history class and it really made me think that Africa was poor and nothing.
Thank you for the info.
@adeen:
Always when learning history remember that it is told by some one who has his/hers own agenda and opinions. This is true in every history lesson, book, documentary etc. It is very important to learn more, so that one can make more complete picture about any issue at hand.
One very important thing about Africa: it is a huge continent. When western media talks about Africa, it is the same as it would be for Europeans look at USA nothing but a part of whole Americas and treat all of USA and its people like they are just the same as anyone from Chile or Brazil. That is how western media many times treats Africa.
As for Malcolm X, I think he was one of the most important thinkers of the last century. He was not the monolithic zelot the white media has been always presenting him. He corrected his own views if he learned otherwise and got more and more information for himself for his thinking, he was studying everything all the time, and most of all: he saw the big picture and did the analysis. Very dangerous thing.
He saw the whole thing as it was: poverty and disaster of the black ghettoes, crime and narcotics, black criminals working in cahoots with white criminals, who were working for white organised crime, who was working with the local police, federal law enforcement, CIA, with the help and the blessing of the politicians, who were errand boys of the white elite who was really ruling the country.
That made him so dangerous for that whole power network. That is why they decided to kill him one way or another. The same thing happened to Martin Luther King too, after he started to talk openly about that same power stucture. He understud it too and saw it and talked about it. And was killed.
on Sun Mar 25th 2012 at 18:42:05 matari8017
SantaForce
“Stark Industries, in collaboration with Reed Richards, have found a way to cheaply synthesize artificial vibranium, reducing the thprice from 30,000 dollars a gram, to 3 dollars a kilo, This has caused the Wakandan economy to collapse overnight, with riots shaking the capital and calls for the Wakandan king, T’Challa to step down. Chief amongst these calls is Nobel award winning biophysicist Joseph Kenyatta, who i calling for a constitutional monarchy with a new constitution, as well as abandoning Wakanda’s isolationaist stance so that an East African republic may be created. How will T’Challa respond to this?”
He doesn’t have to respond.
But, why not?
Apparently the Universe had other plans for this small, yet powerful African nation.
Haven’t you heard? The synthetic vibranium was discovered to have a couple of latent flaws that were somehow overlooked by the Stark-Richards consortium.
It turns out that these two literal super-geniuses (like you!) in their rush to, one: undermine Wakanda’s sovereignty, wealth, independence and two: to bring their artificial product to market — failed to conduct substantive empirical testing on what has turned out to be an inherently unstable pseudo vibranium.
Put simply, the free valence electrons in the synthetic version could not maintain and sustain its atomic orbit/integrity. Another snafu was the stock-market backlash (CRASH) caused by the fake vibranium resulted in record breaking financial losses, thereby bringing both Stark Enterprises and Richards Corp along with their hordes of financial backers to the brink of bankruptcy and financial ruin.
Subsequently, the resilient Wakandan economy currently enjoys a full recovery, along with an increased demand for vibranium, now at $40K a gram to replace the faulty synthetic product tragically failing on a global scale in electronic consumer, commercial & military industrial components and systems, not to mention the degrading spy/surveillance satellites orbiting the Earth.
T’Challa’s kingdom, prestige, honor and political base are fully restored.
Rumors about his impending marriage to Storm, a senior member of the X-MEN, have been confirmed by Wakandan press releases. An African mutual defense treaty with Wakanda’s neighbors is in its early development stages. All is going very well for the Black Panther, the sage Wakandan monarch and his people.
Tony Stark & Reed Richards are both facing civil litigation class-action law suits that will likely tie them up in court for the next 20 years.
on Sun Mar 25th 2012 at 19:59:32 Adeen Danica Mckenzie
I am starting to realize that History is told by people with an agenda.I am really young, under the age of twenty five.
Ah, but Bliff, I am afraid that the facts beg to differ with you.
Interesting. However, you can easily get high rates of growth starting off of a very low base, which is where Africa is now. You can never just simply extraplote this growth rates into the future. they are unlikely to last.
Africa has always had a lot of potential. There are the vast mineral deposits in the Congo and elsewhere. The Ivory Coast has great cocoa plantations ever since the cocoa tree was imported from South America during the Age of Discovery and Slavery.
However, the problem is the Africans themselves. They were primitive until Europeans came to colonize. Since the Europeans left, Africa has slid backwards, unable to maintain what the Europeans created.
Africa is highly tribal and their nation-states, imposed by the Europeans, barely work. Strong man dicatators have taken over in most states and have imposed socialist bureaucratic governments. Look at what Mugabe did to Zimbabwea. Most of the people are loyal to their tribes, not the state.
The dictators spend much of the country’s wealth on building grandiose capital cities, with modern airports and modern center city areas. Meanwhile, the rest of the country is in shambles. Even Bulanik seems to be fooled by the lavish capital cities, surrounded by much vaster slums.
The Africans themselves produce mainly bureaucracy. Most college educated Africans go into the govenment, where they are expected to provide favors to their extended families. Corruption, by Western standards, is completely embedded into the system.
The Africans themselves are not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer. Africa has been dominated by Europeans, and now the Chinese are coming in. I know the Chinese have a low opinion of blacks, so it will be interesting how it plays out.
I see no scenario in which any group of African nations rises to superpower status in anyforeseeable future.
Your Wiki link was interesting, and pointed to some current high rates of economic growth. However, even it did not indicate any thing as preposterous as a SuperPower Africa.
on Mon Mar 26th 2012 at 04:58:44 Herneith
Why don’t you go there and help them out? Invest some?
“You can never just simply extraplote this growth rates into the future. they are unlikely to last.”
You mean like in USA? With several depressions and slumps in its record? What was the growth rate in USA last year? Oh, well…
“They were primitive until Europeans came to colonize. Since the Europeans left, Africa has slid backwards, unable to maintain what the Europeans created.”
They were primitive? You mean unlike europeans out of whom majority could not read or write, who usually lived well below the poverty line, who had famines every now and then in 1800’s etc.?
Yes, they have had hard time to maintain such a rate of slavery and opression, but they try, my friend, they try. It is hard, though, without the european know how on opression. It is kind amateurish now but lucky for them, there are european, american and chinese intelligence people, soldiers, sorry advisors, and big businesses helping them to maintain the opression leves at some kind of standard.
“Africa is highly tribal and their nation-states, imposed by the Europeans, barely work.”
You are right and that is why you have all these ethnic conflicts falring up inside those european imposed un-natural states.
“Strong man dicatators have taken over in most states and have imposed socialist bureaucratic governments”.
Name one African country that is socialist. And those strong men have some backing. Example. Just recently the military took over in Mali because the government was not doing enough to deal with the tuareg rebels in north. You know why those tuaregs are fighting? Their land has uranium. Guess who are after that? Yeap…
“The dictators spend much of the country’s wealth on building grandiose capital cities, with modern airports and modern center city areas.”
Noup. The dictators hide most of their nations wealth into secret bank accounts i Switzerland, Lichtenstein and Caribian island banks. As for building modern airports and cities, you mean like USA did in 1950’s and 60’s and 70’s and…
Those bureacracies were created by europeans during colonial times. They were created to control the population and still do. Nepotism was also a handy tool used by the european minority to conquer and divide and they used it from Africa to India. When it is possible to feed your family by working in the bureacracy, that is where you aim to get in. Once in, you are sipposed to do favors for your bosses and help your own clients. That is called clientism, a nice system, which was also the governing system of Rome. And speaking about bureacracies, isn’t it weird that you guys always complain about the Big Government in USA?
As for the corruption, that is pretty funny coming from a guy who lives in a land where dozen banks stole 770 billion dollars from taxpayers with the help of the government. Or where a war was kept on going for the benefit of private companies for ten years. Nice.
That is because you have a bit naive and short view of history. Egypt was a super power for couple thousand years. How long USA has been one? A hundred, 120 yrs? Not that long in history.
That is true, that is why they do not use knives anymore but assault rifles.
“Africa has been dominated by Europeans”
Right, and yet you claim that africans have caused their problems, this despite of your fact that Africa has been dominated by Europe. So which way it is? Did the europeans dominate africans or are the africans the cause of their plight?
“now the Chinese are coming in”
Well, according the recent studies and findings it is possible that chinese merchants have been coming in since 1300’s but who cares.
Right off the top of my head, you can also add the Benin Empire (who are severely mis/under-reported), the Axumite Empire, or even Kanem Bornu as another non-primitive examples.
What do you think of the recent Chinese involvement in Africa?
@StanForce, et al
I originally just wanted to comment on SatanForce’s statement about the Africa SuperPower. Contrary to what it may seem, I really have NO INTEREST IN AFRICA. So this will be my last go round on this topic; just so everyone knows, if you respond to this, I won’t be responding back, so save your typing fingers.
You do realise that all those countries are democracies There are still many strongman governments in Africa, whether they are officially called “democracies” or not. I don’t democracy has really taken hold yet in Africa, it’s counter to their tribal mentality.
were primitive until Europeans came to colonize. Most of subSaharan Africa was preliterate before the coming of Europeans. That does not include those areas where Islam was introduced or those along the Nile Valley.
The Ashanti became an empire only after they encountered Europeans and obtained firearms in exchange for slaves and ivory.
Other commenters referred to battles in the 1800’s between Africans and Europeans. This is again, after the coming of the Europeans.
I see little to change in my original comment. That’s it – I’m done with this Africa thread. You can go and talk amongst yourselves, now.
on Mon Mar 26th 2012 at 20:32:26 SomeGuy
Contrary to what it may seem, I really have NO INTEREST IN AFRICA.
Strange that someone would make a hobby of Black folks and not have at least a passing interest in their continent of origin.
Bliff, I don’t think you are taking this hobby seriously!
on Mon Mar 26th 2012 at 21:37:08 teddy1975
Satanforce, the Ashanti, one of the most notorious slave trading peoples in all of Africa, still not entirely forgiven by others, might not be the best counter example to the broken Africa stereotype.
on Mon Mar 26th 2012 at 23:06:06 JT
Anyone else find it wierd that Black people are Bliff’s hobby?
Do you think it is because he identifies with Black people on some level?
on Tue Mar 27th 2012 at 02:06:34 Bliff
a hobby…not the hobby; really an interest of mine, not my only interest. Would you find it odd that some people have an interest in watching football? Would that mean that’s all they do? Think first next time, JT.
Are you fucking crazy???!!! Use the n-word again, even with asterisks, and I will fucking ban you.
You’re funny, you know Bliff? Research your claims before committing to them.
Akan Script – Asanteman
Nsibi Script
Geez Script -Ethiopia, approx. 500B.C.
Akan uses a Latin script. Europeans devised the script for the Akan language when they arrived. The Akans had the language, the Europeans invented the writing for them.
Nsibidi is a primitive proto-writing symbology from the Nigeria region. It is a primitive set of symbols, not a true language.
Geez Script, has been used in the Ethiopia area, which is the Nile Valley, not subSaharan Africa. The script has Semitic roots, not Negroid roots, in South Arabia. Again, from Semitic, white people.
Who’s funny now, SatanForce?
on Tue Mar 27th 2012 at 13:33:51 sam
You are funny.
Nubians in present day southern Sudan had their own alphabet and writing already in 100 AD, perhaps even before. Your great great great great great great grand parents did not even know how to read or write. At that time their kingdom was well below Sahara. Around 700 Bc their empire consisted whole of Nubia, Kush, from Meroe to the Libanon in middle east. Burns your behind, doesn’t it?
But never mind the alphabets. You do know that other civilizations, like the incas, used totally different kind of symbol system as a means to communicate, that is to “write” without using letters? You did not know that? Oh my oh my…
So, you do not know everything about all?? Tsot tsot…
You are funny part 2.
“the Ethiopia area, which is the Nile Valley”
Back to school, my friend. Take few geography classes first, before some history. Ethiopia is not the Nile valley.
Sorry about that but hey, you are a product of the american school system so I forgive your ignorance on the geography too.
on Tue Mar 27th 2012 at 16:52:59 Matari
Three words to summarize your latest video offerings:
-Happy
-Prosperous
-Thriving
Three existential things the western media is most likely NOT to televise re Africa.
Pease keep up the good works, even if some of us can’t keep up with YOU!
Bulaniik
“This has led to creation of specialized agencies to handle the work of urban housing by acquiring assistance from the World Bank and UN to implement national or city-based housing-related projects. It sounds good, doesn’t it —- but do these initiatives work without the political will and leadership to carry-through on commitments? ”
The mere mention of the World Bank and the UN, for me, conjures up nasty images of western corruption – both financial and political. I don’t like or trust either of these institutions.The solutions to housing the poor, for example imo, should come from innovative grass-root leaders, scholars and thinkers that are FROM the problem areas. We already have a ton of examples why the IMF, WB, WTO and UN solutions don’t/won’t work. Greed, corruption and the desire for control/power/hegemony.
The best outcome is to enable, empower and allow the indigenous populations to solve their own issues. There are some GREAT forward thinking young (and old) African minds already at work, seeking/offering long term plans and solutions for Africa’s people.
BTW, I love the idea of bottle housing! If waste is used to produce and construct useful/beneficial products – everyone wins!
on Tue Mar 27th 2012 at 17:32:20 Herneith
Still you. Right everybody?
Right you are chap! Bliff is a ras hole!
I will interrupt my self-imposed exile for just this brief message.
I am no Africa expert. Apparently, Africa has brought novel ideas to the entire world, besides spear chucking.
There is that noble practice of….female genital mutilation. The one the West couldn’t come up with. Perhaps Bulanik could bring this practice with her from Mother Africa.
on Tue Mar 27th 2012 at 19:10:25 SomeGuy
Nah, some Europeans should just stick to what they know best: Child Abuse, White Sexual Slavery and Ruining National economies. You know, the good stuff!
“There is that noble practice of….female genital mutilation. The one the West couldn’t come up with.”
Ok, buddy, you asked for it. And I assume you mean whites with the term West?
Ok. Lets see. Every one knows what it was like in the medieval times so just to spare some space here and abagonds nerves I bring you the western stuff since 1500’s.
Religious wars from 1500’s up untill 1600’s in the continent and up to 1990’s in Northern Ireland. The religious wars in France in 1500’s claimed up to 200 000 victims, some estimates are even higher. Mutilation was not only typical, it was the usual method of getting rid of the opponents.
30yrs war (1621-48) by the way was the most destructive event to face Europe up till that time and before Napoleons wars, WW1 and WW2. That was destruction on a biblical scale, so much so that northern Germany was reduced form a green agricultural land into a barren desolet waste land populated by flys only, as one soldier once wrote. Normal practises in that war were: skinning, slaughtering, burning, mass lynching, torture on massive scale and some few thousand witch burnings to go along. Swedes (and finns among them) invented a swedish drink. They poured urine and such into someone untill his stomach was totally bloated and after that they jumped up and down on that individuals stomach, untill it bursted open or internally. Nice, huh?
Holy roman inquistion is well known but its counter part Spanish inquisition (which was independent organ working under the Spanish royalty) was much more original. They had a massive spike, three feet high, widening at the base, into which women were lowered so that the spike penetrated their private parts and lowered still untill women were ripped apart. The famous burining at the stake was considered as an act of mercy since it shortened the time spent in the purgatory. So they tried to burn the victims as slowly as possible for the joy of their ideology. And this went on for few hundred years totally among the westeners.
If we move into USA and genital mutilation, when the colorado volunteers massacred the peaceful natives in Sand Creek, they took some souveniers. They made money pouches from the testicle sacks of the dead natives, pinned male genitals into their hats as trophies and also female genitals, they had legs, thigs, breasts and heads on spikes as trophies as well as killed native children. These were shown to a white publuc on a victory parade held later and received a great joy and jubilation among the white population.
And of course, there were the lynchings of the blacks in which genital mutilation was fairly common feature. And these went on at least untill 1930’s in your beloved US of A.
And of course there are other snappy methods of mutilationa and mayhem that those africans never came up: the flame throwers which made their debut at the battle of Verdun in 1916 and poison gas used as weapon, machine gun which helped the britts to mow down thousands of natives in Sudan early 1900’s. Even Winston Churchill who was at present was impressed when they lost only few men and the natives lost thousands in few hours.
And one thing those africans never came up with was that A bomb. Now that is some serious destructive bisnes right there.
@bulanik: For all my knowledge this old custom is very rare in sub Saharan Africa but more common in the southern Sahara area, around Sudan, Tshad, and northern Ethopia and Somalia etc. in the east. I have no knowledge opf this custom among the central african people. I might be wrong.
This cutting Africa into two parts divided by Sahara is funny since Sahara was steppe and savanna until few thousand years ago. Also rivers like Nile and coastal traffic had not stopped going trough or around that area. Timbuktu is a fine example of how much there used to be traffic across the Sahara during centuries.
on Tue Mar 27th 2012 at 20:27:49 B. R.
I refer at times to sub sahara Africa to define a cultural genius that came from there that can be found all over sub sahara Africa, and, is differant from the culture that is in north of the Sahara Africa (although traces of it are in north Africa also, but, there is a deep Arab influence also up there).
Where there are huge cultural differances from tribe to tribe, area to area, there is a cultural expresion that have similar properties that is the gift that sub Sahara Africa has given the world
Talk about the broken Africa concept and how people outside of Africa look at Africans, here is a excerpt from Che Guevara’s diary. wow, it is pretty shallow :
On July 17, 1952, age 24, in his personal diary, Che Guevara wrote[1]: “The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have conserved their racial purity by a lack of affinity with washing, have seen their patch invaded by a different kind of slave: The Portuguese. These two races now share a common experience, fraught with bickering and squabbling. Discrimination, and poverty unite them in a daily battle for survival but their different attitudes to life separate them completely: the black is indolent and fanciful, he spends his money on frivolity and drink; the European comes from a tradition of working and saving which follows him to this corner of America and drives him to get ahead, even independently, of his own individual aspirations
on Wed Mar 28th 2012 at 03:39:54 Bliff
Cool!! I love Western violence. I am so proud of our boys.
on Wed Mar 28th 2012 at 12:29:51 B. R.
I have to confess, one of my biggest dreams is to visit a country in Africa , like Gana, Angola, Kenya, Senegal.
I dont know if I will ever be able to do that, but, I would love to go to one of the modern cities, stay in a nice hotel and be able to see as much music as posible since music and dance is a tremendous live experiance that have a big affect on me. Especialy the state folkloric danca and drummers. Ways to see the traditions and histories.
Id really like to find out the true Africa instead of the media Africa
on Wed Mar 28th 2012 at 23:48:06 Dahoman X
For those curious about african writing systems, there is this book, by Saki Mafundikwa:
http://creativeroots.org/2011/11/afrikan-alphabets-book-by-saki-mafundikwa/
A review of the book (with some pictures):
http://kintespace.com/rasx46.html
Have you ever heard of Aminata Traore? She summed up your many interrogations in one single question: what kind of development do we (Africans) want for of Africa?
In an interview she was asked: “What does it take to give Africans a dignified life?”
Her answer:
In the first place it takes self respect and a belief in our own capabilities. Real development needs the fertile basis of a lively culture that constantly feeds new solutions. (…)
Real development should also be based on a culture that found the right balance with the surrounding environment. Because every culture primarily is a transformation of the earth, the forests and the soil. Economics, ecology and culture are the three pillars that carry a society. From the moment that triangle is balanced, we can build a society that no longer robs people from their own dignity, knowledge and dreams. Then we can make a future for our own people. If we could have defined for ourselves what democracy is made of, we would have found ways to question and sanction our leaders for example. Because when the moral point of view is shared, the powerful are obliged to listen to the powerless.
http://www.mo.be/node/23000
Aminata Traore is particularly critical of the neoliberal policies enforced in Africa during the last 2 decades. More about her ideas here:
http://www.guinguinbali.com/index.php?lang=en&mod=news&task=view_news&cat=3&id=372
on Wed Mar 28th 2012 at 23:56:25 silentreturn
BR, Start saving a little bit now. 🙂
on Thu Mar 29th 2012 at 00:33:45 silentreturn
‘Nsibidi is a primitive proto-writing symbology from the Nigeria region. It is a primitive set of symbols, not a true language.’
By that logic, hieroglyphs and cuneiform is not writing either.
on Thu Mar 29th 2012 at 03:03:41 Bliff
the black is indolent and fanciful, he spends his money on frivolity and drink; the European comes from a tradition of working and saving which follows him to this corner of America and drives him to get ahead, even independently, of his own individual aspirations
Ya see – if duma$$ Che Guevara had the low down on blacks. A race realist like me couln’t said it any better. This is a pretty typical international-wide opnion of blacks.
on Thu Mar 29th 2012 at 03:23:44 SomeGuy
Since you are so fond of quotes, here’s one:
“Universal truth is not measured in mass appeal.”
-Immortal Technique
on Thu Mar 29th 2012 at 04:25:04 sepultura13
Truth spoken. Also, the scrotal sacks of native men, and the breasts of native women, would be dried and cured, and used as tobacco pouches and black-powder (for guns) pouches.
White europeans (the French, specifically) are the ones who originally engaged in the practice of scalping – they called it ‘counting coup’.
on Thu Mar 29th 2012 at 04:36:56 sam
And what did he (Che Guevara) do? Did he went on bashing blacks, did he went on stating that blacks are less than human, that they do not deserve the same rights as whites, that blacks are not equal with whites? Did he say that black cubans are less cubans than white cubans? Was he burning crosses and killing blacks for fun?
@sepultra:
It was also pretty common practise among the celts to take the heads of their enemies. It was called “taking beards”. This habbit was practised at least till late roman times and perhaps even till later.
Also let us not forget the romans, those civilized white heros of the past: in one 107 days lasting games given by emperor Trajanus some 30 000 people were killed in Colosseum alone. That is fed to the beasts, killed by any other means, and of course, killed by each other. All this for the great amusement of the audience.
on Thu Mar 29th 2012 at 04:51:54 Linda
In 1964, Che Guevara then denounced the United States policy towards their black population, stating:
“Those who kill their own children and discriminate daily against them because of the color of their skin; those who let the murderers of blacks remain free, protecting them, and furthermore punishing the black population because they demand their legitimate rights as free men—how can those who do this consider themselves guardians of freedom worldwide?”
on Thu Mar 29th 2012 at 10:04:23 B. R.
Sorry , Linda, Guevara’s racsim is blatent in his statement about Africans no matter what he states about Americans.
Sam, you do know that some of Guevaras solderscomplained of his racism?
You do know that the Congolease communists kicked Guevara out because he was too radicle in his methods ?
You do know that a bunch of black scholars has condemned Castros Cuba as racist
You do know that Fidel and Guevara executed more poeple than the militarry dictaroships of Cile, Argentin and Brazil put together?
I mean that is an important question for Africa, do you want just any white man coming in…a white man like Guevara ? Who demonstrates without a doubt that he is racist to the core calling Africans frivilous and saying they smell bad but can mouth the right things about what is wrong with America ?
After that passage in his diary, I wouldnt cut Che Guevara any slack what so ever…
In my book he was a meglomaniac
Bulanik…Gueveras trips to Africa were sponsered by the Soviet Union, since they were sponsoring Cuba. They were everybit and more involved with trying to spread their flawed ideaology over the globe as the USA, and Africa was caught right in the middle of both of these ideologies
Seriously, if any person can read what Guevera said about Africans, and still think he was some noble fighter for justice and equality and really have the interests of black people in his heart…i have to question their logic
What do you not understand about ” Africans are frivolous..they dont bathe…”?
If that is the kind of white man you think is fine to look to for inspiration..becaue he can mouth something about the USA who was his sworn enemy, who would like to find their weakness ?
But fundimentaly he looks down on Africans ?
He is a basic racist ?
What is wrong with your logic ?
How interesting, Guevera is no better than Doug 1, Bliss, or any other racist on here who sais disgusting things about black people
and he is ok with you?
It is absolutly plain and clear that Guevera, a blatent racist , is as bad for Africa as any colonial power out there. He is as guilty as any other power that came into Africa to exploit it and start wars…
And that is ok for you ?
So what the USA did in Africa and the colonial powers is what is bad but the Soviet Union sponsering Cuba and people like Guevera to come there and start wars is ok ?
Looking down on Africans while you come in to start wars and destruction to get power of recources for you and your sponsoring country with a flawed ideilogy to begin with is just fine ?
The hypocricy is mind boggling..see I know both sides are dirty
So you give Guevera a pass? After what he puts in his diary…
You arent going to call Guevera what he is …a blatent racist ?
He is no better than what we have heard from Doug ,Bliff, No Slaps the lot of them
on Thu Mar 29th 2012 at 11:25:06 Matari
“Ya see – if duma$$ Che Guevara had the low down on blacks. A race realist like me couln’t said it any better.”
You and your brethren ought to quit with the phony pretense and just come out of the closet. “Race Realist” is purely a PC way of saying REAL RACIST. Racism (and racists) haven’t changed. Only the language/lexicon has.
Also, if Che Guevara is a “duma$$,” comparatively speaking that makes you (and other real racists) extraordinarily stupid/deluded duma$$es. A trait that you persist on continually showing the world. Despite the grievous offense you bring to my nostrils, I fully understand why Abagond permits your stinking presence to foul up the air in here.
Bulanik , this is the Broken Africa thread. I already said they both were dirty…does that rersonate with you at all? Im making posts on other threads, I suggest you read them.
You were inspired enough by Gueveras scripted words , prepared as his propaganda page to defend them brought in by Linda, against his emotional entry into his diary that reveals he is a blatent racist , which seems to mean nothing to you.
You absolutly cannont discuss broken Africa seriously without examining all the sides who were involved breaking it, and , Guevera, a man who personaly brought his flawed idealogy, who reveals himself to be a racist with a very low opinion of Africa,started armed revolutions , death and destruction in Africa, is as guilty as the USA and all the colonising powers to the factors that contribure to the things that are ailing some of the African countries today. He is part of the whole truth about broken Africa
Yet you fail to acknowledge that,and , are attacking me, have mischaractorised me right along the way since the other thread . . You are trying to shift talking about broken Africa into American racism when Guevara personaly was in Africa promoting death and destruction.
One thing you should know. Communism never was interested in racsim and the civil rights for black people
By the way, Im not like any of the people on here who call Obama a socialist or scream “commie” at any inteligent solutions
They dont know what real communists are
I do, I have researched the numbers of people eliminated under the flawed ideaology of communism . There was a real reason to fight communism , but not what the dorks you see screaming “commie” coming in here know anything about
When I talk about communism Im not talking anything like what those chumps are railing about
Actualy, what Im really saying is that, all the conflicts, the colonizers, the powers that invaded for riches , the Gueveras backed by Fidel in Cuba with Soviet support…etc
All these things are what contriburted to the broken Africa stereotye.They were the conflicts that take away the attention from anything good and growing in Africa.That hinder any good growth when they are set into effect.
Because this thread is about the broken Africa stereotype
By the way, relating to Gueveras diary statement, I just am in humble admiration as to what Africans from countries like Gana, Nigera, Kenya, Semagal etc etc have brought to the tavble of civilisation interms of culture , language, foods, etc I could never make a ststement like his nor ever understand it
@BR:
No I don’t but I do know that he was a real hero for millions who fought against western imperialism in the Third world.
No I don’t but I do know that he was too radical for Castro too.
Who are these black scholars? Name few, thank you.
No I do not because that is a lie. Those three dictatorships killed many more thousands than Castro and his ilk ever did.
The diary you so eagerly quote was written when Guevara was a young amn still looking what to do with his life. At that time he was not a communist nor guerilla, nor anything else than a young middle class kid from Argentina driving around the continent with his friend on motorcycles.
Let me get this very clear to you. I don’t like Che or Castro or soviet or any kind of communism. Why? I lived my whole life few miles from the USSR. I can assure you that I know hell of a lot about USSR than you will ever know. And that includes communism, you know, the real deal, Red Army, red ruskies and all that, not the one you read in the books.
As for Africa, this thread is not about BROKEN Africa per sé but the stereotype of it, the one you so eagerly promote here. If you were alert and understud the post you would realise that in reality there is not that Broken Africa you suscribe for. It is a myth promoted by western propaganda and judging from you, it has worked just fine. There is no lost cintinent raped by communist subversives: that is the CIA vision of it.
You claim that Che Guevara, who only visited Africa, and communists are responsible for the stereotype of Broken Africa. I wonder how you get your head around that. It is the western media which has created that myth. Not communist propaganda. If you look at their own myth, Africa is a place were happy balck people hold hands and sing and dance with Lenin smiling at them, and also a continent raped by the mean american tycoon. That was their myth.
Broken Africa is a western idea of a continent that can not handle itself because of its ow people.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/03/nation/la-na-cuba-blacks3-2010jan03
I hate making you look bad, Sam because I like your heart is in the right place
Would you like me to destroy your other arguments ?
30,000 people were eliminated by Argentina military dictators, 3,000 in Chile, less than 1000 in Brazil
60,000 were executed in Cuba
Ill be happy to referance it, yes you know more about the red army and I know more about you about what happened in South America
Sam , did you read what I said ? You are putting words in my mouth. These conflicts and the exploiting of Africa that we have all talked about, is one of the reasons for the broken Africa stereotype and I said that right above, are you reading ?
Bulanik, I wrote that you were “inspired” to defend Guevara’s words inspite of seeing he is a blatent racist ( dont buy your excuse, Sam).
You are getting on your motorbike and spinning wheels knocking up a lot of dust to try to point out to everyone that I am for some reason not qualified to post about these things or I might be a racist.You are doing that on the other thread…go right ahead, maybe after spinning your wheels enough and kick up enough dust you might find something that sticks…but you are going to have a lot of dust and smoke in your eyes
Sam , quote quote from wikipedia :
According to various reports and investigations 1,200–3,200 people were killed, up to 80,000 were interned, and up to 30,000 were tortured by his regime including women and children.[6][7][8] Under the influence of the free market-oriented
Bulanik, excuse me, Ive been acused of lies by Sam, do I have any right to prove he is dead wrong….about “inspiration” ive answered twice
Sam here is Brazil “According to a government-sponsored truth and reconciliation commission in 2007, by the end of the 21 years of dictatorship there were 339 documented cases of government-sponsored political assassinations or disappearances. More were interrogated, tortured, and jailed ”
The point we are making about Africans and how this relates to all this, Guevara, represents , along with the colonisers, the USA cold war polocies etc, the real reasons Africa had conflicts that gave people stereotypes of Africa is all conflicts and violence…
(gees Sam, millions of people voted for Bush also, whta does tht tell you? Millions and millions of people can make wrongt choices, millions and millions of people hate them both alsoe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War Argentina ,statistics right at the top
Yeah its wikipedia, but, they fall into the statistics Ive seen many times….they could vary , Ive seen more in some reports
check out this history of how many times Cuba has been involved in Africa for dirty wars that also had involvement by the USA and other out of Africa powers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Cuba
again, all this really points out how responsible outside forces were at conflicting inside Africa and creating impresions world wide that Africa is nothing but conflicts
You are looking way more into the word “inspired” than I ever intended…
Let me state , I absolutly dont think you or Sam are communists or followers of Che Guevara
Sorry , Linda, Guevara’s racsim is blatent in his statement about Africans no matter what he states about Americans
I truly hold no white man up as an inspiration, least of all Che Guevara…
I am not sure at what point he made his statement about “blacks being indolent and frivolous” (before or after Congo) but it doesn’t matter…
he was dedicated to his cause and he viewed the Congo as another frontier to conquer (just like European adventurers before him) ….he was also told by the Egyptians not to go to the Congo and interfere, but he did it anyway and like his predecessors before him, he thought he could “tame the natives”..he lost that bet.
“BR But fundimentaly he looks down on Africans ?”
Guevara was no different than the average “white” north American or South American, who thinks they are better than anyone with dark skin.
the average person doesn’t reveal their true feelings when it comes to race anyway.
thanks to the internet, my white coworker who sits next to me all day, can safely go onto a blog forum and call black people the N-word, while telling me about her day and her family (true story)
I put up Guevara’s quote about “race in America” as a balance to the previous quote and as you stated, megalomaniacs (pick any country with money and an agenda with military might to back it up) tend to talk out of both sides of their mouths to further their causes….
on Thu Mar 29th 2012 at 17:00:40 Dahoman X
I re-read my previous post and your subsequent reply, and I believe we may have a misunderstanding.
IMHO, I think one doesn’t have to be African oneself to appreciate the seriousness, the complexities, beauty and supreme importance of Africa’s development by Africans.
I did not imply anything like that.
Quite the contrary: I like how your posts develop actual analysis and it’s obvious that, unlike many commenters, you go through the trouble of researching the issues that you write about.
My Aminata Traore reference was just to bring to your attention a woman whose thoughts on development go in the sense of your own reflection.
Bulanic , I am sorry it took me this long to understand what you needed to hear ….my bad…I hope Im not a person who acuses anyone of being commies for making intelligent statements
Sam is my man also,
Linda, I agree, Guevera is the same as any other white man going into Africa and superimpose his values
Bulanik…again I misspelled your name, my error , I am a person who is paid well for a skill I am good at but I am not college educated so I am always making spelling errors
I have followed your posts and I know you are a very articulate informed young lady…
We are just sharing opinions , right ? We may disagree on other things also but at least I want you to know I have a fundimental respect for you and where you are coming from
on Sat Mar 31st 2012 at 12:18:55 sam
Images are power, that is why the System uses them more and more with more and more sophistication. Africa and africans in the images are part of that use of power trough images and visual means.
Africans are smiling and happy only when a white celebrity comes to their village and hands out some relief. Then they dance and clap their hands and sing their tribal songs for the great white saviour. During other times they are just trying to survive famine, wars, mass murders, genocides, aids, flies in their eyes, tuberculosis, crockodiles and hippos, elephants on rampage, robbers, drunken men in armed gangs looting villages at random, warriors from the neighbouring tribe, islamic jihadists, mercenaries paid by angry arabs, couple Al Qaida guys here and there, dictators and strongmen, unhealthy food full of flies and maggots, dirty water, cholera, malaria, huts built from cow manure, smoking stoves and broken sandals. That is, if you believe what you see in western media.
That is why women today see few hundred photoshopped unrealistic images of the woman in magazines, commercials and practically everywhere, every day. Hundred years ago average woman saw perhaps a 100 women during her lifetime, more if she lived in a city but at most few thousand. Today, if you are living in a big city and heavy user of the media, you will see few thousand of such images a day. Why? To make you feel frustrated of yourself so that would trigger a shopping spree. US marketeers found this out already in 1940’s.
on Sat Mar 31st 2012 at 15:24:09 abagond
I did that same sort of Google experiment with Luanda. If you search CNN or the New York Times for images of Luanda, the first pictures that come up are those of its slums. If you search the whole Internet, the first pictures that come up are beautiful pictures of the centre city:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/06/25/how-backward-is-africa/
The term “sub-Saharan Africa” makes my skin crawl. I should probably do a post on it.
on Sat Mar 31st 2012 at 15:45:26 B. R.
Absolutly correct, people react to image….
Im a person who has never been to Africa, and, it is one of those dreams I have…I would love to know where some countries that have powerful drum and dance cultures, have folklorico national drum dance companies , and be able to stay at a nice hotel…and if its on a beach that has some small waves to swimn in….
Any reccomdations from people who live there or know ?
Actualy, Bulanik, you asked me who I dig from Senegal…I love the drum record by Dou Dou Rose, you can hear the roots of Cuban mambo gua gua co, and samba, and funk and jazz…I was into those AFrican folkways records from a long time ago, Fon Ton Fron drumming, Congo ( I have a record now I listen to), Masai, Kikuyu, Gana drumming, Nigeria
You know, Im one of those people who believe very deeply in the genius of sub Sahara Africa, and in that context, I really do beleive you can look there as the place that came certain concepts of culture, music and dance that have a similar developement, the same way as we recognise Europe classical music , it comes from various countries but in a similar context. And those concepts have affected the world in a big way
on Sat Mar 31st 2012 at 16:19:40 Herneith
Try talking to people from the various countries in Africa. You will get myriad information about politics, societies etc. Many would be surprised at the disparities between what they tell you and what the white media tells you. I am speaking in general, society at large, not anyone in particular, therein lies the problem. Sure some of these countries have problems in varying degrees but what country doesn’t? For example; if you are homeless and starving in North America, that makes that society morally bankrupt as it is put forward as a 1st world country(ies). What is their excuse? They should apply all this charitable work to their own country and clean up their own back yards instead of fomenting propaganda against other countries. But then again they would have to admit their wickedness towards their fellow countrymen both currently and historically. I think they concentrate on these countries and their travails to show that blacks inferiority, this appears to be on a continuum when taken in its’ totality, via media etc. Fools like these race realist have taken to using these images to prove blacks inability to run things and clinging to their white privileges. If I were paranoid, I would think there was a conspiracy of a sort to this end. I don’t credit them with enough intelligence for this, they take a ‘Let the chips fall where they may’ approach.
Good point, Herneith
Its hard to find images of Africans that gets into their humanity, and, the value of their culture. Its all suffering and they are in the distance.
It starts becoming ammunition for what ever agenda wants to use it.
I remember seeing a really off the radar documentary of a tribe from northern Uganda, the part that was more affected by violence, with some of the children had been child solders and others had lost loved ones.
The young kids were getting ready to go down to a big city to compete in a cultural music and dance festival. It showed the teachers come in and demonstrate the dances and musics, and, the kids had seperate interviews about their experiances. They went down to the competition and you could see that through their participation and victory in two of the catagories , a tremendous pride and emotion. One girl , who seemed to have the saddest look, came all alive while dancing with the most incredible expresion of joy on her face, she later said when she is dancing, she forgets all her problems…and the drumming and dancing was wonderful
It was just a moving documentary that got deeper into these peoples humanity and struglle and joy through artistic expresion…I was floored…and you just dont get to see that kind of stuff on tv that often
on Sun Apr 1st 2012 at 00:57:52 B. R.
Enough !! Its over, this phony charade about intelligence tests that are controversial anyway belongs in the trash. They dont cover real ways to survice in life like intuition and improvisation. Bell curves, IQ exames, they are useless in judging real genius.
There is more black American genius at the highest level in the world you can find in this youtube , than you could shake a stick at the whole ivy league. These gentleman have raised the bar in what they do to an unbeleivable hight and their work will be studied in 100 years as the defining thinkers of this time , 1965…
I cant listen anymore to white insecure no nothings who dont know how to difine real genius if it was sitting on their nose .
Any one who question black American intelligence or genius, just tell me what these gentlemen are doing here if you can
Sorry, posted this on the wrong thread, my apologies
on Mon Apr 2nd 2012 at 01:18:58 B. R.
Actualy, Im going to tie this in with this thread…with out the cultural concepts that came from certain areas of Africa, this wouldnt have existed….
And, these concepts are never really addressed or talked about with any depth. With any notion how much they have dominated much of the worlds popular music. Any where there is the African diaspora, there are these concepts that entered the popular musics of where African slaves were brought, and absolutly took over the type of beat and dance that each of the countries turned into their popular grooves and dance crazes , of course mixing with the culture of each area they arrived at.
and, the “broken Africa stereo type” has totaly buried any real look at these incredible concepts that have shaped cultures in various places
The humanity and culture are ovelooked to focus more on misery , death and destruction.
All you hear about is death and destruction in the Congo
Ive got an incredible record of folklorico music from the Congo.
Did you know they have a drum that stretches one gut over the bottom head, so the drum buzzes as you hit it….it is the first snare drum. I thought snare drum concepts came from Europe….wrong
When I think of Congo, I think of these musicians and the concepts they are dealing with, I see their humanity and creativity and artistic expression. These wars and conflicts dont define the people there, the culture and art defines them
on Sat Apr 7th 2012 at 08:15:33 Anna
Another side-effect of the stereotype.
– If you happen to be African, live in a Western country, are articulate, educated, has travelled a lot i.e. don’t correspond to most stereotypes people have of African people, it either mean your parents were diplomats or are corrupt politicians who feed off the poorest of their country.
– You can’t and don’t know much about your history, your culture, your continent because let’s face it, you’re too famished to think about knowledge. African people cannot write plausible and objective facts about themselves: they don’t even have schools.
– If you happen to speak any European languages without the (awful and generic) African accent, it means you went to a private French, Belgium, American or British school in your country
– All African people have protuberant abdomen (a Chinese friend from Mauritius told me that after stressing on the fact that she isn’t African – I asked her why her country was a member of the African Union then)
– Do you live with the lions or in the trees? (not kidding, I was asked this question a couple of times, years ago in France – Same thing happened to my Malagasy friend from Indian descent and another West African friend)
– If you have a light skin, it means you must have had a white or an Arab ancestor.
– “Hakuna Matata! Do you speak swahili?” (Huge eyeroll)
I am not saying that Africa isn’t poor. It is indeed and a lot remains to do, first of all by assuring food security. Yet, Africa isn’t only the dying and begging kids, the dishevelled women, the desert, the armed conflicts and…. the safaris.
on Sat Apr 7th 2012 at 11:20:54 sam
I think Sahel is the area on the southern edge of the Sahara proper. I think it does not cover more than that.
As for sub-Saharan Africa, the funny thing is that originally it was geographical term: it described the difference between the Sahara region and area north of Sahara (sub tropics) and the areas south of them. the savannah etc., the climate etc.
BUT what has happened is that racists have hijacked this term too as a cultural and racial divide. This is not an accident. This idea, like others such, come from few racist think tanks which replace the meaning of a word and then begin to use it as their own. This is an old trick used by several ideologies in the past, like the Nazis or communists.
on Sat Apr 7th 2012 at 13:29:59 Dahoman X
what has happened is that racists have hijacked this term too as a cultural and racial divide. This is not an accident.
I believe it dates back to the colonial era. Only then did the Sahara (which historically has always been a crossroad) become this somewhat airtight frontier between “white” and “black” Africa.
Notice how this frontier conveniently ceased to exist every time the colonizer summoned the infamous “arab influences” to explain any sign of “civilization” observed in the southern part of the continent…
I just talk about Africa and for me that covers anything south of Mediterannean. From Morocco to Capetown.
@dahoman X:
I think the racist sub Saharan Africa is quite recent term. I am not certain though.
In colonial times they used very handy term the Darkest Africa. Thus they implied an area whithout any light=intelligence and culture=civilization and also the dark skinned inhabitants. Thus white (light) people were bringing light o the darkness when they conquered it. Nice ideological twist.
on Sat Apr 7th 2012 at 14:47:17 Adeen Danica Mckenzie
What made Africa split into non Black Africa, North Africa and land south of the Sahara is Black Africa?. So strange. I just don’t get that at all because I usually think of Africa as an continent where Blacks descended from like how Caucasians descended from Europe.
Yeah the words Sub Saharan Africa makes my skin crawl as well because the term doesn’t make sense to me at all. What in the world is that term supposed to mean except for the fact that it is the south of the Sahara deser?
I agree with you. Yes, Africa is anthing that is south of the Mediterannean to Capetown is Africa to me as well. Glad someone reads my mind.
All people come from Africa. That is the scientifical fact. The present day europeans are decendants of the people who came from Africa tens of thousands of years ago. So there is no humanbeing who has originated elsewhere. If one wants to be a bit cheeky one can say: biologically we are all Africans. That is also the one thing racists try to hide and do their best to discredit. But that is a fact. So there are no caucasians at all. There is only one humanrace on this planet.
Gentically you and I are more closer than a guy from Mali is to a guy from Mozambique. There are bigger genetical differences inside Africa than in all the rest of the world. That is because the rest of us are the decendants from those who left Africa tens of thousands of years ago.
In colonial times they used very handy term the Darkest Africa. Thus they implied an area whithout any light=intelligence and culture=civilization and also the dark skinned inhabitants. Thus white (light) people were bringing light o the darkness when they conquered it.
Yeah, Africa is often referred as “the dark continent”. All those meanings are implied here.
Joseph Conrad’s title “Heart of Darkness”, literally the tale of a journey to the heart of Africa, also comes to mind.
Yes and it is excellent book. And look who is the worst lunatic of them all: white colonel Kurtz. So the heart of darkness is in actuality inside the white mans head: “Horror, the horror!”
I have no knowledge of this but I always suspected that Condrad knew something about Leopolds Congo.
on Sun Apr 8th 2012 at 06:12:48 sam
I do not know if he ever visited Congo himself. In the book the structure is three dimensional: steamboat travel along the Thames “up the river into the heart of darkness”, in the narrative on a steamboat along the Congo River “into to the heart of darkness” and in the minds of the carachters “into the heart of darkness”.
If he did visit Belgian Congo we know where he got his nightmarish storyline but if he did not, he obviously knew something about what was going on in there.
on Sun Apr 8th 2012 at 07:47:37 Dahoman X
According to the wikipedia page Conrad did visit Congo:
Eight and a half years before writing the book, Conrad had gone to serve as the captain of a Congo steamer. On arriving in the Congo, he found his steamer damaged and under repair. He became sick and returned to Europe before serving as captain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Darkness
A good read: An Image of Africa: Racism in Conrad’s “Heart of Darkness”, by Chinua Achebe.
http://kirbyk.net/hod/image.of.africa.html
There is a distinct cultural differance between sub Sahara Africa and North Africa.Some one in here had an argument with me a long time ago, I was telling him there is a distinctive cultural way that drums are played and the dances are done , that seperate sub Sahara Africa from North Africa. I proceeded to bring in youtubes from various areas of sub Sahara Africa with very similar concepts in drumming and dancing. Let me make it clear that Im absolutly not saying all the drumming and dancing are the same. Its the basic pollyrhythmic concepts that are the same. The same way we can say Europe evolved harmony and classical music symphonies even though they are from differant countries that speak differant languages but Europe is where they evolved certain harmonic concepts. In that context you can say sub Sahara Africa evolved certain musical concepts.Ill be happy to bring in those youtubes again if anyone has any doubt that you cant quantify certain concepts of culture from sub Sahar Africa
Recently Ive been listening to a cd from Dudu Rose from Senegal. The drumming concepts are distinctive and recognisable. I have a record from the Congo also. It has very distintive charactoristics but the pollyrhythmic call responce is the same as Senegal. I saw an in depth docu of Uganda recently and some children preparing for a music fest with their drumming and dancing, distinct beats and dances but same concepts as the Congo and Senegal. I have youtubes of the same concepts from kids playing in Kenya, I think they are Kikuyu, you can look at Watusi cerimonies, Zulu cerimonies, I can go on and on and bring in examples. Besides Gnawa in Moroco, Id like to see some North African drumming and dancing that uses these same kind of pollyrhythmic , call responce, pelvic thrust, fast shuffle steps. Im sure they exist, but, Im not aware of them, I dont think north Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Moroco except for Gnawa, have those concepts as the dominant factor in their musical culture. Maybe Sudan and Ethiopia have some forms of the drumming, for sure you can really hear mixtures of both the Arab concepts and the sub Sahara drum dance concepts.
If someone can bring in a youtube to educate me , it would be welcome
As equaly frightening as outsiders thinking sub Sahara Africa is some horrible place compared to North Africa, would be denying the genius that is from the culture of sub Sahara Africa. That is extremly important to recognise the cultural gifts to the world that black sub Sahara Africa has been responsible for
To deny this genius fits right in with the broken Africa sterotype, especialy the broken black Africa stereotype
on Tue Apr 10th 2012 at 12:13:17 Adeen Danica Mckenzie
@B.R.
I agree. And why did they separate ”North Africa” from Sub Saharan Africa when both places are in Africa? If all the Blacks came from Sub Saharan Africa, how come supermodel Iman is from Somalia and Somalia is NOT in ”Sub Saharan Africa”. Iman is Black! Somalia is in North Central Africa. That Sub Saharan crap that is perpentrated in History and Geography is a lie. I think they split Africa in two to discredit Africa’s role in civilization and History.
No wonder Egypt is in ”North Africa”, because they weren’t ”Blacks” and couldn’t have possibly have built such an empire! I believe some of the Pharoahs were Black, yes but this foolishness has to stop. Blacks have contributed much to civilization and inventions as much as East Indians, Chinese, Europeans and others.
Adeen, Im in full agreement about any attemt to paint any part of Africa as less than or more backwards. And, I think the cultrual aspects Im talking aboiut dont address color in the sence that North Africa has a wide range of color.
I want to make it clear that I am addressing cultural concepts that most certainly came out of black Africans who have differant culturual concepts from Arabs that took over North Africa
And these cultural concepts are distinctive and can be quantified.
In North Africa, I suggest that there is a mixture of these concepts but the Arab concepts are more in effect in North Africa
Any body who knows a little bit about the various drum/dance concepts that dominate the Afro diasporic cultures throughout the Americas, can recognise the roots of those grooves right away in various sub Saharan drum dance cultures and you cant do that with North African musics
Or , please demonstrate it, because I can demonstrate with authority what Im talking about
this is differant from what I will bring in belowhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMHucmq7yBE
il try to linc the north African style again
this is differanthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CozpRbD5sms
I mean anyone on here can hear the differance, right?
Its not color, its culture…
Also Im not sure about how one minute we are so firm that Africa is a continent of many countries and cultures and the next oh but its all one Africa…
I mean great about ideaologicy thought out intellectual arguments to counter stereotypes and western ignorance about real Africa, but please dont sweep in distnintive cutltrural differances that actualy point out to a genius of cultural value that is quantifiable and distinct from anythng else in the world
here is the gnawa from moroco that I said is more from a groove stanpoint. It is the exception of North Africa
It is obvious that in North Africa because of the Arab conquest that the Arab concepts of music are going to dominate, like I said this is somewhat of a an exception, but you sure can hear a differance from the youtube avove
As I said, Morroco is the country in North Africa that has good examples of the drum principles that come from the south. You have to look at how the dances hook up with the drums to really see the differance with the Morrocon concepts versus say concept you might find in Nigeria. Of course influences were going back and forth. Swahili had Arab influcence. Nigeria has some of the population muslim.
But this what what I consider a more North African feel
on Tue Apr 10th 2012 at 17:02:22 teddy1975
Well, the Sahara was a greater barrier than the Mediterranean Sea, which with ships and all was rather a way things could be transported, even the fauna and flora of Super-Saharan Africa have more in common with southern Europe than with Sub-Saharan Africa. The Islamic conquest really changed the way Europeans saw (North) Africans. Before that, that part of Africa was not seen as intrinsically different from the European parts and islands of the Mediterranean.
Here is the differace
Absolutly, Teddy, that is my point, there are concepts of life and how to aproach life that come from the middle of Africa down towards the south. Was it the Bantu migration ? I dont know or really think so, I think some of these drum dance concpets go back a long long time.
And, I think the fact that you can see the power in the Afro diasporic concepts, and how they absoutly dominate any country that brought slaves from the culture above, the Mali drumming, for example.
It is a power, a genius, it shouldnt be hidden behind other cultures like the Arab cultures, and the mixtures of those concepts,those are fantastic also, really fantastic. But these principles of life , and living, filtered sometimes through drumming /dancing, the inclination to use these drums and dances to turn off the thinking brain and get in touch with the intuition, need to be examined on their own terms for exacty what they represent and represent alone.
Especialy in light of scientific discoveries that prove that is what is happening in our everyday life anyway
It is that reason that I say there are instances that we can look at culture from sub Sahara Africa…I totaly agree that any point of veiw that choose to look at sub Sahara Africa as sub or worse off, or equal to misery is ridiculas. And again, like in the Congo, if you really begin to understand the humanity of the people, the contriburion their culture has made on the world, those stereotypes couldnt kick in
We have to make the culture as a focal part of what is incredible about all of Africa
Ok all of those sentances are not understandable:
And, I think the fact that you can see the power in the Afro diasporic concepts, and how they absoutly dominate any country that brought slaves from the culture above, the Mali drumming, for example (should continue on to say ) is a tremendous example of that power and genuius. Look how they groove the beat into the ground .
I get it now. I am sick of the false sterotypes about Africa and I really want to know the truth about Africa.
on Tue Apr 10th 2012 at 22:04:42 Dahoman X
Abagond already posted about Achebe’s response to Conrad
Abagond actually commented Achebe’s criticism of Conrad, but his post did not include a link to Achebe’s original article which, IMHO, is pertinent to the present thread. This article also further explores the 2 allegories mentioned by Sam: the one regarding the parallel Thames/Congo, and the one about the darkness inside Kurtz’ (the White man’s) heart.
@ Adeen
Somalia is located in East Africa and is considered part of sub Saharan Africa.
For some weird reason, you seem to infer from my post that:
1) I believe there is no difference between Northern and Southern Africa
2) I imply some kind of inferiority of the Southern part
3) I’m trying to hide it by stressing the “Arab” influence
If you actually read this in my comment, please re-read it. It is not what I wrote.
Northern Africa and Southern Africa have their own identities (notice the plural. None is monolithic). Yes, the Northern part, while very diverse, is culturally close to the Arabic Peninsula and the Middle East. I don’t deny that.
If you take a plane from Tunis to Lagos you will be shocked by the contrast and will feel like you stepped from a world to another.
But if you, say, travel by caravan from Tunis on the Mediterranean Sea to Lagos in the Gulf of Benin, you will have a very different experience. The transition will feel very progressive and you won’t be able to define a clear cut frontier between these two parts of the continent.
That’s because, contrary to what people commonly believe (see teddy1975’s post above) the people living along both banks of the Sahara have always interacted and influenced each other. They have never let the Sahara become a barrier. Quite the contrary, actually: during the past millennium it has been the place of the most dynamical trade routes of the continent, and of racial and cultural melting-pot.
And when I say they have interacted, when I say melting-pot, I don’t imply that it has always been kumbaya love between North Africa and Southern Africa, or between so-called “white” and “black” Africans (see the racist exactions currently going on in “liberated” Libya, for instance).
Regarding the polyrhythmic concepts.
I’ll have to trust your expertise on this, as I’m utterly illiterate in the matter.
I can appreciate good music though. I can’t really see your YouTube videos (slow connection here), but I recognize some names. Beside you cited Doudou Ndiaye Rose. Good pick.
on Tue Jul 17th 2012 at 01:46:31 Anomymous
I have more hope for Africa, than Haiti. However one of the main problem is the government and lack of unity, and initiatives. Africans are very divided. They are still too tribal (IMHO). Then there is the never ending political unrest etc….
If the Africans leaders were serious and there wasn’t all this division going on,then it would move forward in a faster fashion.
on Thu Jan 10th 2013 at 06:25:38 munu aka Bantu
I want to put my two cents to counter stereotypes about Africa in general and a few guidelines about how to look at African affairs:
1. As somebody said already, most stereotypes carry some truth with them; the question is, oft, of how can we expurgate them of implicit falsehoods; for example it’s truth that African governments are, in most cases, corrupt, but a) not all of them (I bet that the Botswana Government is one of the world’s most clean in that regard!) and the rest are corrupt in different degrees; b) outside the continent we find also many corrupt governments (in Latin America, South Asia or Eastern Europe, for example) and, therefore it’s false to draw the conclusion that corruption is kind of an African trademark alone;
2. Africa is a very diverse continent as Abagond has pointed out already (possibly the most diverse of them all!); there are many different countries there, and each of them is an unique “human experiment” by itself; you have different ancient histories from different places (from Yoruba kingdoms in one corner to Zulu warriors in another, and many other different narratives in between); you had different colonial powers in different places (English, Spanish, French, Portuguese, German, Belgian, etc) with different impacts (the different “official“ – European – languages” are a lasting testimony of that); you had different colonial settlements in different places (from none or few European settlers in places like Ethiopia, Somalia or Cameron to hundreds of thousands or millions in most Southern Africa countries and Algeria) and therefore you should expect different degrees of “European acculturation” in those places (in Maseru, Lesotho you will find that most native Africans communicate between themselves in a local African idiom most of the time, but in Maputo or Luanda people opt to use Portuguese as their “lingua franca”)
3. The diversity of situations in Africa is also clear in terms of economic development; from small economies as in the Sao Tome e Principe islands to the relatively highly developed economy and infrastructure as in the Republic of South Africa, which consumes more energy per year than highly industrialized countries like Netherlands or Sweden, you find a large spectrum of all different levels of economic development; a curious fact about the perception of long term economic prospects of Africa is that a few years ago the keyword was “afro pessimism” but now some economists start to look at Africa as the next large emerging market after China and India and they cite the present high grow rates in many African countries as an early indication of that; a more sober and balanced view would be to look at African economies as “developing economies” meaning that they are “yet to mature organic systems” that appear now in a yet relatively young phase of their development; as with humans, adulthood will surely follow the young age, but the journey from one point to the other will be a zigzag of advances and setbacks; so it’s life!
4. Diversity is also to be found in the level of economic development inside each African country; you have the striking divide between the urban (more developed and westernized) and the rural (less developed and more traditional); urban settlements show also a divide between their more developed center and their less developed periphery (shanty towns); there are also oft regional differences (for example the southern part of Mozambique is more developed than the northern part; the same can be said about Nigeria); these features characterize all developing countries including the ones in South America and Asia.
5. Each African country is also a diverse place as a consequence of recent history; the borders of most African states – defined by European powers at the begin of the 20th century – encompass a huge variety of ethnic groups (the so called “tribes”); this is sometimes the cause of internal strife and political instability but when properly managed is the foundation upon which a very rich cultural heritage can develop; one of the functions of the state in Africa is to build the nation from the amalgamation of those diverse groups, contrary to 19th century European states which were, for the most part, mono-ethnic; there are, also, some African mono-ethnic states such as Botswana, Lesotho or Swaziland; this kind of diversity implies that most Africans speak at least 2 languages (one African idiom plus the official European idiom…) and oft even 3 (…plus one more African idiom; this is the case in many urban settings where people from different ethnic backgrounds coexist).
6. Last but not least, the reality of African societies is very fluid and what is true now can change tomorrow behind recognition. This is, in fact, what makes many stereotypes not stand to a close scrutiny: the reality they were supposed to describe oft has already changed when you present them! A few examples: a decade ago it was said that most of Africa (except a few countries) had a very low density of telephone lines and this was seen as a major stumbling block against social and economic progress; today, after a rapid penetration of mobile telephone networks, all over Africa, its citizens are reasonably well connected. It is known that libraries and access to books are in short supply in many African societies and that impacts negatively teaching and learning activities. But as I write, we are witnessing a remarkable grow in Internet access (yet to mature) which can open, in the coming years, the access to universal human knowledge (written documents) to a much wider class of African citizens. More, a decade ago you would see a serene traffic atmosphere in the streets of Maputo and other Mozambican cities. Today, after an explosive grow of the number of car owners, during the past decade, we witness major traffic congestion in their urban settlements which are, therefore, forced to expand their limits outwards and densify their road networks. Twenty years ago we had merely 3 institutions of higher learning in Mozambique enrolling a few thousands students, but now we have more than 30 such institutions which graduate thousands of young (and not so young!) people every year. The same trends you can watch in many other African societies. Many such developments are not an end by themselves, but form a basis for future social and economic progress. Finally, I cannot end without mentioning that all those trends are turning into a reality the emergence of a middle class, in not few African societies, which are gradually overcoming the old motto that says that in Africa either you are (very) rich or (very) poor.
munu aka Bantu
At the 80’s I was in Germany to study and soon it became clear to me that most people there had little to no knowledge about Africa, and from that fact followed a lot of false assumptions and misunderstandings about the continent and its people.
Stereotypes thrive in an environment of ignorance. In most cases it is less a question of malice, and more of lack of knowledge of the facts. This is my opinion.
Therefore the best antidote against stereotypes is to put the facts before people so that they can review their perceptions by themselves.
At that time, I wrote letters to my brothers asking them to send to me dozens of postcards with diverse motifs reflecting life in my country. And I showed them to my German colleagues. I can bear witness to the fact that many of them became, after that, more curious about my “heimat” and, not few, changed radically their view of it.
Today it should be easy for anyone to do the same at a lower cost: you can search through the Web and collect photos and video-clips which show how things are in your country. Or you can upload your own items to your blog or site. It is that easy! And if we, as Africans, don’t do that, then we must bear some of the guilt for the current situation where most people living outside Africa rate the continent much lower than it should be!
Not only Whites who never visited the continent but also Asians, American and European Blacks, and even first generation children of Africans in the Diaspora share those misconceptions. Even worse: often you discover that Africans themselves don’t question such stereotypes when they think about other African nations, sometimes even neighbor countries.
We should do better about this and surely we can!
on Thu Jan 10th 2013 at 14:01:43 Kwamla
@ munu aka Bantu
Thank you for your informed and much needed perspective on the changing and ever developing continent we label Africa.
I for one enjoyed these far more enlightend contributions.
on Wed Jan 16th 2013 at 03:31:03 munu aka Bantu
To close my contributions on this topic of “broken Africa stereotype” let’s show some images of the continent.
I will put some links to web-pages with pictures and video-clips about two places from the eastern part of Africa: Nairobi and Maputo. The former is well-known in many quarters as a beautiful urban setting in Africa, kind of a mini New York of sorts, and the later is my birthplace and, as an American visitor once put it, “one of the most underrated tourist destinations in Africa”.
Let’s begin with Maputo:
Video-clip (taken in the central areas of the city)
• http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=373682379318444&set=vb.243802292315574&type=2&permPage=1 (this clip gives a glimpse of the cosmopolitan atmosphere in Maputo)
Photos (taken in the centre of the city)
• http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1446879&page=4
From munu aka Bantu:
… About Nairobi:
· http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyNztfyen7Q (this clip looks at middle class Nairobi life)
· http://www.nairaland.com/51356/nairobi-photos-kenya-beautiful-east
I hope this helps people to review their stereotypes about Africa.
Perhaps, the continent is not “so broken”, after all!
Here is the BBC’s top picture of Nairobi on Google Images:
on Thu Jan 17th 2013 at 22:44:57 Jorbia
Well,if Africa is so broken, why are so many Europeans living there? Many Europeans who live in Africa for a while never want to leave. If they can, they will go back there to live, even if it’s after they retire.
My parents have European friends who went to East Africa when they were adults but call Kenya and Tanzania “home.”
on Sat Jul 27th 2013 at 15:48:16 Shefali
Thank you for posting this. This and the comments are so informative.
One thing to think about re. black IQs – even if IQs are lower in the third world, it is known that malnutrition adversely affects IQs, into the third or fourth generation. So solve the issue of hunger, and the IQ problem would also be resolved, IMHO.
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on Tue Sep 17th 2013 at 06:02:29 ACurious Youngin
Sub-Saharan Africa is the most genetically/phenotypically heterozygous continent and the origin of modern Homo Sapiens. Most racists believe that the regions lack of centralization until 1800s show some sort of failure. They first believe in this false Eurocentric myth that civilization arose there indigenously and not imported from the Middle east and think they have the right to criticize other cultures for lack of writing or urban stimulus for technology yet ITSELF did not invent neither of these things. Secondly, racists falsely believe that the determinants of civilization depend on some genetically conditioned intelligence(guess that makes Europe stupid then). The latter view distorts history and makes Civilization seem like it is a phenomenon that only the group based intelligent can accomplish. For starters, there is no such thing as a ” Group” IQ instead intelligence goes by a bell curve with 15 % between “races” and 85 % within these “races”. There is Within population genetic diversity in every Human population and is expressed highest, as said, in Sub-Saharan Africa, so the concept of a “Universal IQ” seems ludicrous. Furthermore, if genetic variation ,according to racists, determine ability in intelligence and innovation solely, if at all, that would mean that Sub-Saharan Africa and recent diaspora have the highest in both extreme outliers, in other words, the ability to make 2X scientific/technological innovations , in terms of quality. However, at the moment that is not observed, meaning their is more to innovation or civilization than genetics which does not play a major factor (at least evidently) in the divergence of the Mother continent from that of the prehistoric diaspora. According to most anthropologists, there were only six areas that had the requirements that others did not that enabled civilization ; a river valley located in a soft fertile region. The belief in “Anthrocentrism” is what fuels racism in the first place, the thought that Man is God therefore can control every aspect of its progress and those behind are the least “fittest” which is untrue. We are subject to are environment no matter how genetically “superior” or competent we may supposedly be. From the six areas, civilization spread to those that were less efficient reaching Northern Europe(400 AD) and Sub Saharan Africa in several eras; Axum/Ethiopia (400 BCE); Islamic SSA (1000 AD); the rest of Africa (1800s AD). In the former two eras, Africa rose to significance such as in Pastoralist but Imperial Axum, a military power equal to Rome or China emerged according to contemporary prophet Mani or during Songhai dynasty where scholars in a salt (or iodine) depreciated but wealthy region were able to be great leaders in Islamic literature ( Mathematics, Astronomy, History,etc.) and Law. In the latter era, however nothing but destruction was brought from slavery to colonialism to modern exploitation nothing but disaster has befallen SSA forming the modern stereotype which was not far from the truth. In modern times, however, this is not accurate as Sub-Saharan Africa has the world’s fastest growing economies and is predicted by economics to reach 29 trillion USD by 2050,larger than USA and Eurozone combined and definitely larger than United states of America and Europe separately. Sub-Saharan Africa would have gotten back in its feet sooner had not 1.4 trillion USD not been transferred illegally largely to the west, that’s more than the ODA that racists complain about being paid. If anything ODA should be seen as the West paying debt to Sub-Saharan Africa like they are to the Peoples Republic of China. So this stereotype of Africa is long overdue and blasted to make racists feel like “at least the Negros are still down” as we enter a multipolar world;no longer “white man’s Burden”. Deny or envy, but Sub Saharan Africa is getting up in the world. Look for example at Luanda in Angola, it has a booming luxurious industry but they never show you that… they’ll never tell you this ^. I don’t blame them, it is the responsibility for an Afro-descendant to know their history, struggles, progress, and future not the American Western Media, their purpose is to distort, degrade, dehumanize, to erase any sense of hope in an African so that all is left is a empty vessel, a Slave…No more.
See: Get Ready for an African boom/CNN
http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&biw=1366&bih=768&tbm=isch&tbnid=GzgEOtFEwhoNXM:&imgrefurl=http://hotelpresidenteluanda.com/presidente/en/hotel/lazer&docid=omRZdruSt2n26M&imgurl=http://hotelpresidenteluanda.com/site_images/contents/contents/225/page/Luanda.jpg%253F1304523299&w=990&h=600&ei=Y-83UtXyOKrC4APAx4DQBg&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:6,s:0,i:97&iact=rc&page=1&tbnh=175&tbnw=254&start=0&ndsp=15&tx=161&ty=155
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8DjO8FHj3Y)
@Shefali I do believe malnutrition in Sub-Saharan Africa and its diaspora is preventing it from reaching full potential such that micronutrients like Iodine and iron alone can cost 15 IQ points and 14.8 IQ points respectively along with the effects of others micronutrient deficiency as well as rampant poverty. As I said, the diaspora is also going through this with African American mothers giving birth iodine deficient on average since 1900s. That’s 15 IQ points right there and the Flynn effect has been explained based on micronutrient deficiency( Iodine for instance). In the Western world, the introduction of iodine to Whites via lactose dairy products allowed the IQ to rise to 15 IQ points during the 1900s.
see: http://www.businessinsider.com/iodization-effect-on-iq-2013-7
on Thu Feb 20th 2014 at 20:45:19 v8driver
omg i am so sick of the united states i can’t wait to go over ther to africa
on Wed Aug 20th 2014 at 22:23:50 Legion
(http://youtu.be/5utDdxveaJc)
Trotting out “the children” is always a good say to say shut up! I’m very suspicious of Gates here.
Moyo’s response:
http://www.dambisamoyo.com/?post=dr-dambisa-moyo-responds-to-bill-gates-personal-attacks
on Sat Aug 30th 2014 at 19:38:15 Broken Records: Arguments About Race | Marmalade
[…] The Broken Africa stereotype – Africa is a hellhole […]
How did whites “break the continent”? Did you forget empires like the Oyo, and even the NIGER EMPIRE starting slavery, then Arab slavers, THEN AND ONLY THEN the whites? We tried to rebuild things. Shining cities, safe countries, rule of law, etc.
If you want to say Mugabe is “just a madman”, that would imply he’s the exception. What about Mandela, Zuma, Shaka Zulu, Idi Amin?
If a group keeps having “exceptions”, they stop being the “exception”, and start being the rule.
Sort of like how the Moslem Cult is associated with terrorism, and even the “moderates” are in favor of forcing Sharia Law on anyone naive enough to let them in?
Even when shown a picture of shining white houses in “Africa”, as I was recently shown to try to shut me up, it was NIGERIA, who are up to their old thieving tricks, AND getting money and infrastructure from CHINA!
Why can’t Africa do on its own, without another group building FOR them and FORCING Order on them?
on Sun Oct 4th 2015 at 15:11:33 sharinalr
@EPGAH
tsk tsk tsk. Oyo, Niger, and Arabs did not start slavery. Your precious slavery was in full effect for years. Used by all. Greeks and Romans alike used slavery. Then along came Whites or Americans if you like who needed new slaves. Whites did not try to rebuild things. They destroyed it. They came and stole any and everything they could from Africa. Did that for years. They created laws that benefited them. Destroyed cities that were already there and replaced them with their own. Laid claim to the ones they liked.
“Sort of like how the Moslem Cult is associated with terrorism, and even the “moderates” are in favor of forcing Sharia Law on anyone naive enough to let them in?”—Claims that require proof. So far this is talk of a mad man.
“Even when shown a picture of shining white houses in “Africa”, as I was recently shown to try to shut me up, it was NIGERIA, who are up to their old thieving tricks, AND getting money and infrastructure from CHINA!”—It was not used to shut you up. It was used to make you look like the fool you are. While you are trying to find some nitch to say how bad Africa is, there are several other cities just like it. Not to mention you made yet another claim your a*** seems to be unable to cash. You claimed there were no such cities that made it. Now you want to whine about how they made it. Yet according to YOU making it entails thievery. So why be made because they are taking a page out of the white play book?
“Why can’t Africa do on its own, without another group building FOR them and FORCING Order on them?”—I would ask the same things about white America, but you are a hypocrite so. At any rate China did nothing more than invest. After investments it takes drives and work to run the businesses to build from that point on. So in short they are doing it by themselves. Just like they are doing it by themselves when they come to america and make your young white children look dumb.
on Sun Oct 4th 2015 at 15:31:05 Michael Jon Barker
@ sharinalr.
A shout out to you for having the patience in dealing with EPGAH. Whatever BS he comes up with you have effectively shot it down.
I’m unable to have civil conversations with people like EPGAH.
His world view is no different then Roofs so he comes here to shoot this place up. To him his views are his religion.
on Sun Oct 4th 2015 at 15:32:30 King
“Even when shown a picture of shining white houses in “Africa”, as I was recently shown to try to shut me up, it was NIGERIA, who are up to their old thieving tricks, AND getting money and infrastructure from CHINA
It would be interesting to hear how Nigeria could possibly be “stealing” from the larger and more powerful China?
One might ask why the backward northern barbarians could not do on their own without the Romans building FOR them, assimilating them, and FORCING order upon them. You know… the Visigoths, the Ostrogoths, the Burgundians, the Franks, the Britons, theVandals… in other words, YOU.
on Sun Oct 4th 2015 at 15:39:04 taotesan
@mike4ty4
“ and this is exactly why I have so much discomfort with the idea of a so-called “white African”. How can “whites” be truly called “African” when they, or at least most of them, benefit from educational, wealth and land ownership, and social privileges that have yet to be afforded to the people who have been in Africa for tens or even hundreds of thousands of years longer than their families have ever been, not to mention it is questionable how much cultural assimilation they have undergone?”
This is my take on ‘white Africans’ in the South African context. It is quite long. Apology.
I do not speak as political analyst, but from a personal broad-based perspective.Being veteran grandmaster thieves of land, this latest development of linguistic contortionism is the refinement of their delusion of white superiority complex and greedy-guts syndrome. These people, including the liberals (we did not know it was wrong to hate Black people, we were only taught to) who owns land that is simply not his or hers, if they are such lovely non-racist Africans, they must give us back our land. I am not sure the time when Black people said: “Here, Baas, take our land, we love living in matchboxes. You are so good.” To be called a white ‘African’ (writing this hurts me) ties in, not with any nationalist, patriotic or any romantic notion, but with their unbridled capitalistic rapacity and their perverted ideology that they are God’s chosen people (Afrikaners) so they are entitled to all our land.
In South Africa, we have Black Economic Empowerment, aka BEE, a program (which is failing dismally) to redress the iniquitous economic disparity wrought on the natural inhabitants by centuries of genocide, slavery, cultural annihilation, land dispossession, colonialism, apartheid and neo-colonialism. Now the very beneficiaries of slavery, colonialism and apartheid, want to insist upon South Africans that they are Africans so that they can continue being first in line, as usual. They just have to be OWNERS. They have to own everything, including their victims’ name and land. So, being a white ‘African’ would tie them to the right to lay claim to mineral rights, economic opportunities and to hold on to land claims.
Not so long ago when these people had their very own nirvana, (and they still do, for the most part) they made up the most crude and de-humanising names for African people. Remember, apartheid was supposed to be forever. Every single facet life of a South Black person’s life was/is still dominated and poisoned by white superiority. As a person who is still trying to heal very deep wounds (and trying hard to forget) from apartheid, I remember how my parents were forced to bow their heads to white people, who insisted they be called ‘baas’ or ‘missus’- master and madam in Afrikaans. [Both of them eventually died from a broken heart.]
The ‘master race’ – the European, in their utopia, subjected the natural inhabitants to unspeakable and intolerable cruelty and made sure that we knew that they were Europeans or whites, who were the acme of civilization. The humiliation of the ubiquitous apartheid signs. Almost ALL of our rivers, mountains, seas, plants, animals and place names are European or British named. They called themselves Europeans and whites interchangeably. Google the apartheid signs.
In their ugly madness they have no insight when they nakedly accuse the victims of their oppression as racist, when we refuse to acknowledge them as Africans. The temerity of these ungrateful gate-crashers. They are not Africans. They are white South Africans. Or European descendants / settlers/ invaders/ living in South Africa.
The African name has been most reviled by the same white man and woman who wants to be included as African for capitalistic, neo-colonialist motives, and further perpetuating their economic dominance in the midst of their manufactured poverty. It also kills two birds with one stone: they can claim victimhood (and what loud moaning Charlies they are) and exonerate them from their complicity in apartheid. But they do that anyway.
In South Africa, they create websites exaggerating the number of farm murders and crying foul that a ‘genocide’ has been committed against them. Understand it is the very people who make/made Black people feel like criminals just for being Black. Although we do not have formal slavery, these Afrikaner farmers (owning millions of hectares of stolen African land) treat their workers sadistically and still pay them a pittance, where they have they still have very little recourse to the law. These wannabe ‘Africans’ have now overwhelmingly denied that apartheid was a crime against humanity.
The deafening silence of the European colonialist has not been punctured by even a susurration of admittance or half an apology. Because they are not sorry.
Whites are symbiotes not parasites…Or at least were.
We built and let anyone in WHO WOULD OBEY THE RULES! “You are welcome to join us, but you will not lead!”
What group doesn’t pass laws that benefit themselves?
I asked you that in another thread, plus asking what nonwhite group passes laws like Affirmative Action, that benefit non-self, at self’s expense. Got no answer so far. Is that a claim every white hater’s a*** are unable to cash?
We have a mediocracy now, because it’s what gets rewarded. I’ll be the first to say Ob-America is an Obamination compared to 80s America. But that is a derail, because it’s all about WHITES instead of Blacks, much less Africa.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/01/nine-things-youll-learn-from-pews-poll-of-the-worlds-muslims/
If you prefer, rather than linking, I can copy&paste the whole article, rather than a link? Not sure what your policy is on copy&paste plagiarism.
Did you ever use your favorite search engine and look up the Moslem “refugees” trying to cancel Germany’s Octoberfest, because beer&boobs are offensive to them? I use the quotes, because true refugees would NOT be trying to change their hosts, they’d be thankful their hosts are protecting them from whatever they’re fleeing! Maybe not kissing ass, but at LEAST keeping a low profile and causing as little problems as they could?
South Africa (and others) were under Civilized World control. It put an END to tribes and their petty bickering. It put an end to Shaka Zulu’s “knocking”. (One of those genocides everyone forgets because it wasn’t committed by whites).
It was an idyllic scene straight from the Mythical 1950s!
Important detail: WHITES built that, not the savages. THEY DIDN’T MAKE THAT, WE DID! Mugabe’s “palace” is actually an old white farmers’ house that was stolen!
Savages came in, “Only To Work”, then once they were the majority in the whites’ country, they overthrew and destroyed it. How is that from whites’ playbook? Actually, that sounds more like the Mexican Scam!
Whites never wanted, nor even pretended to want, to JOIN savages’ savagery, buy land, kick them aside and build civilization seems to be our historical path.
Just for clarification: When the savages got control, whom did the laws they pass benefit? Particularly BEE, the exact inverse of our Affirmative Action?
In America, Government forces Black MINORITY into undeserved jobs.
In South Africa (Savage control), Government forces Black MAJORITY into undeserved jobs.
See how that works? A certain asymmetry and/or lack of charity there!
America wasn’t the one that got order forced on us. From the 1800s to let’s say 1964, we have been the enforcer of order. It wasn’t Britain or France that put the Barbary Pirates down…It was America. Britain could’ve stopped the Japanese carrier group that did Pearl Harbor. They didn’t because they WANTED America in the fight. Why?
Everyone “hates” us, sure, but when they have a flood, tsunami, earthquake, or riot, it isn’t CHINA they call for help. Why is that? Is that a long-con plan to drain us of our resources? Are we chivalrous or chumps for always helping others, even our enemies (Like Afghanistan) whenever they call?
China didn’t just invest. China (re)built the country, in exchange for resources. Just like whites did! So why are Chinese “Noble” for doing this, but whites are “evil colonialists” for the same thing?
China is building the country in exchange for resources.
China is “helping”.
Whites did the same thing, but whites are the “evil colonialists”.
Eventually, the savages turned on whites, stole and ruined the country.
Do you think China will let the savages pull that same stunt?
Keep in mind our divergent responses to riots in our own country.
America gives savages “Space To Destroy”, China sent a TANK to stop the party!
What do you consider Romans if not white? Were they Black? Arab? Space aliens?
Thanks. That is because he is a big joke. Laugh at him and even you will have the patience.
taotesan
By that “logic”, Blacks in America should be called something else, and if they get “too rich” in our country, they should be murdered and their property stolen, just like the savages did–AND STILL DO–to landowners and farmers in South Africa and elsewhere?
“Kill The Boer Kill The Farmer” vs…Hm, we don’t have a “Kill The Savage” movement here in America, do we?
Of course whites would be owners, whites built the country.
Blacks came in only to work. That “pittance” you call it, was WAY more than they could get under their fellow savages. Once again, why come INTO a place if you’re so ill-treated? Find out if the border is just as permeable the opposite direction!
Have you done any searches on what the savages did to the people who built up a better country that they could live in if they could behave?
Did you ever consider Apartheid was to PREVENT exactly what the savages did when they got weapons from Russia and overran our control?
Google “Farmers killed by machete” and take a REAL wild guess why they don’t consider Apartheid a bad thing. Hint: Your deep EMO wounds are nothing compared to what the savages did to the whites, then stole their land/farm/business to add insult to LITERAL injury!
To wit: If you are violent and untrustworthy (Savage), why not keep you away from us?
As to education, look at the fantastic schools and universities whites built even in the areas they set aside for savages. They didn’t HAVE to do that! They could’ve said, “That side is your side, be as Savage As You Wanna Be”
How DID you learn English anyways, if not taught by the Civilized World?
Did you butcher a human, eat his brain, and absorb the knowledge that way? I thought that only worked in videogames!
As to wealth, you’re right, but whites figured out how to make resources into wealth. That’s why “make money” is an American/European idiom that does NOT mean counterfeiting.
As to land ownership, once again, whites brought the CONCEPT of land tenure there. “This Area Is Ours. Period.” not “Oh, we lay claim to this vast strip, but we’ll keep going back and forth along it like a toy train”
Even now, YOU call the land they own “stolen”, and look the other way, if not cheer, when savages brutally murder them and steal what they built and EARNED, right?
Is that not greedy gutting? (Literally!) Are they made to feel like criminals for being Black or for what they did to the people who built the country?
How many decades are you going to keep pretending to be victims? You killed them, you stole the country, what are you going to do with it? Make it crash&burn, then blame the whites, right? Kinda like someone carjacking me, killing me, then wrapping my car around the nearest utility pole, and blaming ME for not teaching them to drive before they killed me, right?
Michael Jon Barker
Right, ROOF is the threat, not Farrakhan, or Noble, or Kambon, or any of the other savages exhorting the extermination of whites, especially cops?
You don’t see how those two are opposite, but not equal? Farrakhan&co would NEVER dirty their hands by killing a white themselves. They enjoy the luxury of the Civilized World too much. All they’re doing is free speech, right?
“You want freedom? You’re gonna have to kill some crackers! You’re gonna have to kill some of their babies!”
Those were the words of Minister King Samir Shabazz, also known as Maurice Heath, the New Black Panther Party’s Philadelphia leader.
Shabazz is the same man the Holder Department of Justice refused to prosecute after he was filmed on Election Day 2008 with Jerry Jackson wearing paramilitary uniforms, carrying a nightstick and blocking a doorway to a polling location to intimidate voters.
Is their hate their religion too?
small person shout at the warden and tell to loosen your straight-jacket
on Sun Oct 4th 2015 at 16:14:06 v8driver
Awkward! I guess there was a bit of antiamerican sentiment in my part uf u scroll back abit but thats under the category of no way to explain that to the kids that live actually near me
on Sun Oct 4th 2015 at 16:14:29 Omnipresent
EPGAH
What do these savages look like?
^him and whilst you are at it insist on better padding
on Sun Oct 4th 2015 at 16:19:10 Uglyblackjohn
@ EPGAH – But the Africans are wrong for taking over an existing culture? Isn’t that their manifest destiny?
Didn’t most white people end up on other continents in an effort to escape oppression by other white people?
As to views as religion, even here on this very site, some Blacks claim that whites are not human, or in this very thread, one claims we who created the country don’t deserve to enjoy it, so which “religion” do you think is more harmful?
“WE SEE THEM AS HUMAN, THEY LOOK LIKE REAL HUMANS BUT THEY ARE NOT, THEY DO NOT HAVE HUE TO BE MAN.”
HUE-MAN? Sounds like a He-Man villain.
v8driver I don’t blame you at all. You want to escape America to escape your ex-wife.
taoetesan
You justify BEE–Government forcing Blacks into undeserved positions–but isn’t that just the savages, now that they’re in control, passing laws to benefit THEM? Where is their generosity, like whites passing Affirmative Action, laws that harm us, and benefit not-us?
Savages are selfish, whites are generous.
“what nonwhite group passes laws like Affirmative Action, that benefit non-self, at self’s expense. Got no answer so far. Is that a claim every white hater’s a*** are unable to cash?”—That is not the question you asked, but I will quote what you did say so you can stop pretending like you are not goal post shifting when you are. Your original response got an answer. You just did not like it. As such AA actually benefits whites. Which is why they are the biggest benefactors/supporters of it. You need to do research on what AA includes. Not just women but those with disabilities as well.
“If you prefer, rather than linking, I can copy&paste the whole article, rather than a link? Not sure what your policy is on copy&paste plagiarism.”—Two problems with your source. 1. It does not prove or support what you claimed above. 2. It managed to show no sample size. 3. It contradicts what you you claim. Ie In most the percentage of Muslim respondents who said they favor Shariah as the law of the land is 20 percent or lower.
“Important detail: WHITES built that, not the savages. THEY DIDN’T MAKE THAT, WE DID! Mugabe’s “palace” is actually an old white farmers’ house that was stolen!”—Sure and I am an Alien. I require proof. Not a mad man ranting. Even with sources you seem to be unable to realize what they say versus what you believe in your mad mind.
“Savages came in, “Only To Work”, then once they were the majority in the whites’ country, they overthrew and destroyed it. How is that from whites’ playbook? “—How can they come in to land that was already theirs? News flash they can’t. So based on your logic the savages are the whites who came in to “work” and steal and when they became the majority they overthrew and destroyed. Copy that to the situation in America and you have successfully described how everyone took a page from the white playbook.
“Everyone “hates” us, sure, but when they have a flood, tsunami, earthquake, or riot, it isn’t CHINA they call for help.”—You might want to talk to some of those people. They don’t beg for America’s help as the media likes to tell. In fact I have ran across a great deal that would like america to stay out simply because America uses it’s “Help” to build strongholds in their countries.
“China didn’t just invest. China (re)built the country, in exchange for resources. Just like whites did! So why are Chinese “Noble” for doing this, but whites are “evil colonialists” for the same thing?”—Whites did not invest in the country. They simply took. Big difference.
@ EPGAH
That is quid pro quo, or as we like to call it, “doing business.” Each party agrees that the other party has something of value to offer. An exchange is driven, and both parties benefit. Neither party is “stealing” as you have so recklessly suggested.
No, I think not. Whites did not sit down with Africans and hammer out a quid pro quo. Whites simply stole the land and resources by annexing them by force. They did the same in India and later, in China. Whites essentially carved up Africa into colonies as they pleased… which I assume is why they were called “evil colonialists.” To the thinking man, this makes perfect sense.
https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1e0eaaa410d48dc9e428825b11643bad?convert_to_webp=true
Well, you COULD say whites LEFT if they didn’t like it! Which was my message on one of the other threads. If I DO have a flaw, it’s that I’m too subtle for most people to get the message.
Whites’ flaw is suicidal altruism. Woman and the snake, Frog&scorpion, whatever. But I digress.
But actually, no, most white countries/colonies/whatever you want to call it is because whites, once we had the wherewithal to, are explorers.
Is there really an “edge of the world”? Is the Sound Barrier real? Is the sky really the limit?
If you’re trying to draw an equal sign between conquests, I have to put a big old NO on that one too. Which group made a BETTER, SAFER, MORE LAW-ABIDING country, and which one made Purgatory on Earth?
Or let’s talk about EARNING?
Which one did it all on their own, and which one needed Russian weapons to overthrow civilization? And now needs constant investment from China?
“Which one did it all on their own, and which one needed Russian weapons to overthrow civilization? And now needs constant investment from China?”—America.
@Everyone
For everything he is trying to say about Africa, I realize he is actually talking about America. ROFL
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/21/us-safrica-mugabe-idUSKCN0RL19P20150921
Let’s start with this one?
South Africa ruled that Mugabe has to give back ONE stolen residential property.
I don’t know how jurisdiction works there, that would be like France making Spain return something they stole.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/active/11442408/Zimbabwes-white-farmers-targeted-for-new-Mugabe-land-grabs.html
MORE stealing from white farmers. I am shocked! Or at least pretending really really hard to be shocked!
News flash: It WASN’T their land, they didn’t have the concept of land tenure. So it’s NOT theirs! Another poster in this thread put up a map of who owned what. Whites–at least British and Dutch–set aside Reservations for the savages. Savages eschewed that and wanted the whites’ part!
If I let you live in my basement, would you kill me and take over the upper floors of my house?
The whites didn’t come there to work, they BUILT THE COUNTRY! It was their work that made the country worth savages immigrating/invading!
What the savages did is something akin to what I believe Mexicans are trying to do to America.
And South Africa is an EXTRA special case, it was too desert, too inhospitable for even the SAVAGES to want to live there!
So if you throw something away, I take it, recondition it into a gleaming (or at least serviceable) prize, you don’t get to say “I want it back, it’s mine.”
They terraformed it into something worth living in, that’s why the savages wanted it. That, or thriving farms and businesses, electric and road infrastructure, things worth stealing.
I’m sorry, building a whole country from scratch is not investing?
It WAS quid pro quo: WE build a country, savages could live there if they wanted a Better Standard of Living, otherwise, they could get out of the way.
But now the savages have their Wish! They are reduced to a paltry minority in their own countries, if not entirely left or dead (Which is “gone” in the metaphysical sense).
Being our Noble EQUALS, why didn’t the savages build or at least maintain a country every bit as shiny as when the whites controlled it? Why did they NEED China to build infrastructure FOR them? Whites already built the infrastructure, what happened to that infrastructure?
Did whites rip it out with their dying breaths?
Did the savages destroy it because it was a reminder of Civilized World control?
Did they just let it decay because they didn’t know how to maintain it?
@epgah, at that point i was considering moving to lesotho/south africa
America has always been independent by nature. In the last 60 years, we undid our isolationism, which is a large part of the end of my parents’ mythical 50s.
Russia has never given us anything but grief. In the 90s, there was an attempt at reconciliation–and we even bailed them out when they collapsed–but even if Gorbachev was 100% sincere and honest, the long-term effect was that it was just for them to get closer to stick a bigger blade in Uncle Sam’s back.
If you want to borrow King’s thing about a give&take, so far, America’s been doing all the Giving, and Russia is not the least of countries doing all the TAKING! Most egregiously, America GAVE up our anti-nuke project in Poland.
If we hadn’t, Iran’s PROMISE (And probable LIE) about not building nukes wouldn’t matter. They would stay peaceful, because if they weren’t, we’d shoot their nukes out of the sky and return fire.
If Russia FELT it was aimed at them, only the hit dog squeals, right?
What might Russia be doing that an anti-nuke system would thwart?
That is not quid pro quo. Look up the word first before you…..nevermind.
“Being our Noble EQUALS, why didn’t the savages build or at least maintain a country every bit as shiny as when the whites controlled it? Why did they NEED China to build infrastructure FOR them?”—They had. This is the part of the story where the whites come in and destroy it.
“America has always been independent by nature.”—False. Even coming to this land “Americans” were dependent on the help of natives. Otherwise they would have died. Years fast forward they became dependent on the funds of other countries. You forget this country is in debt. We are dependent on foreign oil. Should I continue on this dependency?
I don’t see where I mentioned Russia, but…..deflect on. You are good at that.
FYI my comment came before king so not sure how I borrowed anything from him, but great minds do think alike.
EPGAH, Whites did not “build a country” almost anywhere in Africa. What they built were a very few White cities/towns that were used as garrisons, colonizing centers, and hotels for the Whites who came and went. In all cases, the vast majority of the “country” was worse off after colonization then before colonization.
This idea that Whites built up these countries into shining African empires that were then taken over by ungrateful savages and ruined is more the result of you not reading books than reflective of any historical facts on the matter.
v8driver
That would kind of redefine “Out of the Frying Pan, Into The Fire”
(Capitalization?)
Unemployment has gotten worse, and the savages decided it wasn’t bad enough, so they passed BEE laws, so if you’re white and can’t buy your way into Orania, you can forget about it.
Also, savages with machetes are a constant problem, stealing from anyone who DOES make it. I’ve even heard rumors they have started attacking “too successful” blacks now, but that’s probably overblown.
You see all the houses with concrete corners and barbed wire? They’re not a WWII reenactment troop, they’re trying to ward off savages.
On the other hand, if you join a PMC, you can make serious bank protecting civilized from savage! Even some of the richer savages hire “consultants”, not bodyguards. The name-change is to avoid hypocrisy, of course!
Also, savages with machetes are a constant problem, stealing from anyone who DOES make it. I’ve even heard rumors they have started attacking “too successful” blacks now, but that’s probably overblown
Why is it overblown? Further upthread, I asked you what these savages look like. taotesan suggested they look like you but I don’t think you picture them that way.
If I DO have a flaw, it’s that I’m too subtle for most people to get the message.
I am sure you know what I am driving at here but, if you are ‘less subtle’ and actually honest, it will discredit all of your arguments on here and expose you so instead, you misrepresent things but what is underlying is not at all subtle
You said we were just the same as the savages taking help from Russia to overthrow and destroy. “A page from America’s book”, right?
quid pro quo is a TRADE. Doesn’t have to be a FAIR trade, even, it has to be PERCEIVED as a fair trade at the time.
What do others have to offer that is worth the upgrade in Standard of Living they would get by invading any place created by the Civilized World?
Yes, America TRADED food for protection. The savages didn’t give us food because they were feeling generous or some kind of Welfare project, it was because the Wampanoags were attacking them and they saw Salvation in our metal-and-GUNPOWDER weapons!
We beat the bullies down–then they turned on us!
I think I said that in another thread? Or you just weren’t listening.
Our dependence on foreign oil is a CHOICE. Environmental regs have choked off not only oil-drilling but smelting, manufacturing, all dirty industry.
Economy is less important than ecology, and we have the unemployment to prove it, right?
Of course, Obama claims it’s part of a “strategy” to have oil left when terrorists/Mexico/Canada run out. We suffer until they run out…Does this even “seem like a good idea at the time”?
There was a Faction in America’s RECENT history, say the last 10 years, that wanted eco-exemptions for “Drill Baby Drill”. Refresh my memory, were they praised or ridiculed?
“You said we were just the same as the savages taking help from Russia to overthrow and destroy. “A page from America’s book”, right?”—I didn’t mention Russia, so you basically are putting words in my mouth. The only thing I said from your quote was “A page from America’s book.”
“quid pro quo is a TRADE. Doesn’t have to be a FAIR trade, even, it has to be PERCEIVED as a fair trade at the time.”—Here is the definition of quid pro quo “Quid pro quo means an exchange of goods or services, where one transfer is contingent upon the other.” It requires a trade yes, but forcing a lifestyle on someone is not a trade. You have so far been describing a forced lifestyle on people. Not a quid pro quo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quid_pro_quo
“Yes, America TRADED food for protection. “—Nope. Another snippet from your false history. They gave you food and taught you how to grow it. Among other things.
“I think I said that in another thread? Or you just weren’t listening.”—You claim to say a lot of things and when it comes to those things being quoted it turns out that is not what you even said. You make stuff up as you go as I did say and can quote time and date when I said it. Plus I can’t hear you through the computer screen.
“Our dependence on foreign oil is a CHOICE.”—If that is the lie you wish to tell yourself. If it was a choice the choose to drill oil on your own land or choose to make cars that don’t rely on it, but America can not fathom a life without oil. Primarily why the business is rolling in the dough. This quote is a prime example of that dependency “We suffer until they run out”. If you were not dependent on something you would not see it as suffering for not using it.
“There was a Faction in America’s RECENT history, say the last 10 years, that wanted eco-exemptions for “Drill Baby Drill”. Refresh my memory, were they praised or ridiculed?”—Don’t know and don’t care as to answer would give you another deflection route.
Why is it overblown? Because savages would NEVER attack their OWN for being too rich. This is about RACE and who BELONGS there, not who got rich and who didn’t, isn’t it?
They are trying to have the whites’ houses, businesses, and lifestyle, without the whites! Killing fellow savages would not advance this goal. They want a WHITE-free country, not a country purged of fellow savages!
Is that or is that not what is *underlying* the overthrow, no matter how nobly or subtly they may couch it?
Why IS it noble for savages to purge whites–EVEN FROM OUR OWN COUNTRIES–but whites purging savages are “madmen”? Even Hungary building a wall to keep savages OUT, rather than purge them, is considered worse than Mao and Hitler put together!
I picture them as Black, grinning evilly, a machete in one hand, and either a gun or a severed head “trophy” from a recent murder in the other.
Lions are actually more valuable than HUMAN lives to the savages. Which is why they were so tightly controlled when the Civilized World ran the place.
They somehow predicted savages would be savage (Definition: Primitive and violent), so they kept them separate to avoid trouble!
I’ve tried being less subtle but my comments keep getting deleted. Hilarious but unproductive.
What do you think I’ve “misrepresented”? I keep getting accused of moving the goalposts and similar, but I don’t see it.
“very few White cities/towns that were used as garrisons, colonizing centers, and hotels”
What do you consider a COUNTRY to be? Are they supposed to coat the whole place in concrete? Maybe Domed Cities with Cursed Earth between them?
America is generally considered a country, but there are large unoccupied areas, and other areas are over-occupied. Are the unoccupied areas NOT America? If so, why don’t illegals settle there and build their own civilization, rather than invade our ALREADY-BUILT CITIES and antagonize us by failing to observe our language and laws?
Furthermore, what determines ownership? Might Makes Right? Sheer Numbers? (Which is actually a variant, but let’s pretend it’s separate.) Borders and Laws? Or the people who BUILD the country, OWN the country?
I’ve read plenty of books about Rhodesia and South Africa, but it just doesn’t do it justice. When I actually was ASSIGNED there, I was shocked at how much worse it was than the books hinted at.
The books I read were
“Tell Me And I Shall Forget”
“Memoirs of a Traitor”
I also read some book I can’t remember the title of about Cargo Cults in Africa, far deadlier than their Asian counterparts.
After whites left, of course it’ll be worse! We raised their expectations! They’ve always HAD disease, starvation, death, and random violence, but now, because of Civilized World food, meds, and law-enforcement, they EXPECT not to! Somehow it becomes the whites’ fault the savages are dying. Our fault for letting them kill us, I guess, instead of developing bulletproof skin and machete-proof necks?
The underlying problem: They want the white lifestyle without the whites making it/making it possible! That’s where the “White Privilege” misconception comes from.
It’s like a child demanding more toys, more candy, believing the parents have or can buy it, and are just selfishly holding out on them. Someone slips the kid a gun, they shoot the parents, then find out the parents weren’t holding out, they really DIDN’T have it to give. And the kid can’t afford to buy more because anyone unscrupulous enough to HIRE a kid would CHEAT it!
In fact, that was almost verbatim the plot of the book about the African Cargo Cults. Whites were messengers from the Gods, sent to give the savages gifts, but when we stopped giving gifts, they thought we were HOLDING out rather than RAN out of gifts to give, so they killed us! Now THAT’S ungrateful!
“I keep getting accused of moving the goalposts and similar, but I don’t see it.”—You also don’t see what half of your sources say, so the idea that you don’t see it is inline with a lot of things you don’t see.
For example you claimed Africa never made it. Then when presented with a Pictures of Africa that has “made it” you change or switch goal posts to say they are thieves or scammers. This is goal post shifting and you have several across several threads.
China is heavily involved in terms of upgrading several countries in africa’s infrastructure, for commercial gain, it’s true but..
I don’t know if you’re being intentionally difficult/obtuse, or just really can’t figure it out.
We don’t FORCE a lifestyle on anyone. They WANT our lifestyle, and consider it unfair if we have ANYTHING they don’t! BUT they don’t want to follow the rules, or even the annoying steps we had to go through to GET to this point of relative wealth. In short, they want us to build it up, they show up “Where’s My Share?” and we just fork it over! Otherwise we’re selfish Privileged scum, right?
Is that or is that not why poor savages keep pouring into white countries, instead of China or fellow savage countries? Indeed, why is illegal immigration from CHINA now outstripping that from MEXICO, our hereditary invader?
China’s a rich country, shouldn’t they be able to take care of their own excess population?
Unless they WANT OUR LIFESTYLE?
“They gave you food and taught you how to grow it. Among other things.”
Yes, but you keep mischaracterizing it as them doing it out of altruism, the Goodness of their Heart, etc. It wasn’t.
They could’ve let us starve, it wasn’t against their BELIEF, as they later tried to DIRECTLY KILL US, it was against their SELF-INTEREST!
IF we die, the Narragansett keep attacking them until THEY die.
Once the Narragansett were gone, we had Outlived our Usefulness, so they tried to kill us DIRECTLY!
*Sad Music* They USED us! *End Sad Music*
Whites may or may not have whined, “But we had a DEAL!”, but in any event, we kicked savage ass.
Did you read the Wikipedia article on King Phillip’s War? Or just Google it, and find a site you DO trust, if you don’t trust Wikipedia for whatever reason?
It’s not just Americans that can’t fathom (Good pun!) a life without oil. Europe, Chinese, Russians, and savages of every country and description have cars too, and I DON’T think any of them run on fairy dust! Even when savages can’t AFFORD a car in their own country, as soon as they invade the Civilized World, they get one? (If people REALLY cared about Global Warming, or Environment Justice or whatever, they’d stop savages from getting cars, but that’s just shy of stopping them from BREEDING in difficulty!)
Petrochemicals are the ONLY way to get AS MUCH energy as you want WHEN you want WHERE you want.
Battery tech has basically plateaued in say the past 10 years? (We can argue exactly HOW LONG it’s stagnated, but it HAS stagnated, can you agree with that?)
So electric cars are inefficient, and more importantly, EXPENSIVE to have batteries on a CAR scale instead of a cellphone or laptop scale.
The Volt is $70,000 STRIPPED! I can buy 3 cars for that!
And batteries don’t MAKE electricity, they STORE it. Where are we going to get the electricity in the first place?
Solar and wind are unreliable and require constant subsidy. Solar cells and windmills are built in CHINA, so that wouldn’t create any jobs FOR AMERICANS! (It doesn’t “count” if it’s not for us, OK?)
The Bum keeps blocking charters of new nuclear reactors or even renewal of old ones.
So all we’ve got left IS fossil fuels.
EPGAH said: I picture them as Black, grinning evilly, a machete in one hand, and either a gun or a severed head “trophy” from a recent murder in the other.
Lions are actually more valuable than HUMAN lives to the savages. Which is why they were so tightly controlled when the Civilized World ran the place.They somehow predicted savages would be savage (Definition: Primitive and violent), so they kept them separate to avoid trouble!
Your outlook on life is primitive and violent so, I think you fit the term savage more than anyone else. I feel like I am reading the post of a child, one that is constantly pointing the finger saying ‘look what he/she/they did’ and just not understanding the context of anything.
I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop. Look at all the concessions China has squeezed out of America for just monetary loans to support our ridiculous “social safety net” spending, from letting spies go to our nuclear and rocketry secrets. How much MORE would they extort if they actually BUILT THE COUNTRY?
Savages have nothing to offer except staying out of the way while someone mines resources that Civilized World needs and China needs for their cheap (and often toxic) knockoffs of our products…Or LABOR. China does not have slavery, they have Laogai, which is arguably worse…
My outlook on life is NOT primitive and violent. I LOVE the Civilized World’s technology, and I think we could’ve done a LOT MORE if we weren’t constantly trying to keep savages either at bay or paid off.
As to post of a child, there are other threads here that seem like just, “Whites have MORE than we do! GIMME GIMME GIMME!”
I consider myself the adult saying, “BEHAVE! Let us EARN more so we can give you more!”
Savages overthrowing our countries is a primitive, violent way of saying, “WE WANT IT NOW!” Actions louder than words, right?
Or burning down cities in America.
As to context, what “context” could possibly justify invading a country, demanding things from it, and murdering the people and destroying it if they don’t get their way?
·They didn’t build any of it.
·If they worked, they were paid for it.
·We tripled their average life expectancy, so they owe US, not vice-versa.
·If they didn’t like it, they could stay out and return to Nasty, Brutish, and Short!
That is my “context”. What “context” could reverse that formula?
PS, the savages HAVE done that to farmers and other WHITE landowners, so I don’t think I’m particularly off in my idea of how savages look/act/wield.
Do a Google Images Search on it.
Maybe you’ll throw up in horror, or maybe you’ll cheer at the savages killing the greedy selfish whites?
But given what they’ve done, doesn’t that make ANY length whites go to to protect ourselves seem absolutely justified or else “Not enough”?
From Apartheid in South Africa–UNFAIR, sure, but NECESSARY, given what the savages did when it stopped–to Hungary and Israel walling themselves off from the violent savages to America…
Hmm, America doesn’t HAVE ANY defenses from the savages since Wilson, do we?
BTW, this article completely leaves out Amy Biehl. Gang-raped and murdered while trying to help the savages. And her parents put up money…for the legal defense of the savages who did it! THAT is seriously bad parenting!
Or the nurses who got raped in Haiti.
Or the doctors who got kidnapped in Somalia so frequently, that Doctors Without Borders quit going there!
What’s the “context” to justify those?
“I don’t know if you’re being intentionally difficult/obtuse, or just really can’t figure it out.”—Nope that is all you. You seem to have a thing for voicing who you are while trying to paint it as someone else.
“We don’t FORCE a lifestyle on anyone. They WANT our lifestyle, and consider it unfair if we have ANYTHING they don’t!”—That is false and history shows that as much. Take the natives for example. They were put in schools and had their names changed, forced to renounce their old ways, and forced to dress the way “whites” wanted them to. Even if we look at today, whites want to force people who come here to speak English and even force English on other countries.
“Is that or is that not why poor savages keep pouring into white countries, instead of China or fellow savage countries?”—History shows that whites pour into other people’s countries. Just because those minorities decide to return to their lands does not mean they are pouring in to a white country. It just means they are returning home.
“Yes, but you keep mischaracterizing it as them doing it out of altruism, the Goodness of their Heart, etc. It wasn’t.”—-Here is another example of goal post shifting. You claimed America was independent. You have a whole aparagraph above raving about it, but Natives decide to help those helpless white Americans and now you want to claim it was not for nothing. A claim you have no proof of other than your idea of “we whites would have done that so they more than likely did it.” In short the first settlers needed them. Their survival was dependent on them. You were debunked again.
“Did you read the Wikipedia article on King Phillip’s War?”—Save the deflection as it still has nothing to do with what you are claiming.
“It’s not just Americans that can’t fathom (Good pun!) a life without oil.”—But we are not talking about other countries. We are talking about dependency. You claimed America was so independent. Now you are making excuse for why it is SO dependent. See the humor. ROFL
If you want lack of context, look at the top of the page here.
Mugabe is proof that blacks are unfit to rule and Hitler is a madman, because of the CONSEQUENCES for their respective genocides.
Whites all banded together to stop Hitler. Even Russia (for a time) was on the side of the Angels!
Blacks, they banded together…UNDER it! They didn’t try to STOP Mugabe, too busy congratulating it for overthrowing and murdering whites in our own country, and even shielding the King of Sudan from prosecution!
I think he is a child myself. I have met some dumb adults but this is utter ridiculous.
The savages wanted to live in OUR country, so why shouldn’t they speak OUR language?
Who is returning to THEIR land? If they’re coming into OUR country, it’s obviously not theirs!
English is the Universal Language because English were the Universal Civilizers–before America took up the torch. Everything from science to commerce to Air Traffic Control is in English. If China had civilized the world, rather than merely usurp America’s tech, would you complain as loudly if they expected anyone who wanted to do business with them to learn Chinese?
Indeed, would China be ANYTHING without England upgrading them?
Why DID they renege on the land treaty of Hong Kong?
“In Perpetuity” becoming “99 years” is moving the goalposts…quite a bit!
The “context” being they killed a lot of English people, and turned one English woman into a Nice Belt! That needs to be punished, don’t you think?
You debunked NOTHING
King Phillip’s War is not a deflection. It is exactly what I’m claiming.
King Phillip’s War is the name usually given to the Wampanoags turning on the Pilgrims. We were independent, trading military aid for food. “America’s” first military treaty even BEFORE America was a country!
If they just fed us and we stood around and did NOTHING for it, then yes, I’d say we were dependent leeches. OK? That is the difference.
Our survival was dependent on them, BUT if we didn’t beat their bullies, their survival was null&void too. They were dependent on us!
If whites were as evil as you pretend, why didn’t we kill BOTH groups of savages, TAKE the food, and that’s that?
“murdering whites in our own country”—anymore questions on the level of delusion of this man?
You don’t HAVE to learn English. You don’t even have to get housebroken. But if you do not, there will be things forever denied you, and people will always treat you as less. Assimilating to a better culture, a better mode of behavior, gives you privileges in return.
Privilege is as always, EARNED, not merely BORN!
Rhodesia was a white country.
If you want to claim the English aren’t or weren’t white, it’s not me that has a level of delusion!
“The savages wanted to live in OUR country, so why shouldn’t they speak OUR language?”—False. You are in their country. You should be speaking native tongue. This is not your land. You wanted to come here. No native invited you.
“If they’re coming into OUR country, it’s obviously not theirs!”—False again. You can return to a land that you once lived on. Reread what I said. You seem to have gotten sidetracked.
“If China had civilized the world, rather than merely usurp America’s tech, would you complain as loudly if they expected anyone who wanted to do business with them to learn Chinese”—Can you stop trying to deflect. You are embarrassing yourself terribly. Forcing English on people in other countries doesn’t have to do with just business. Research…research.
“Indeed, would China be ANYTHING without England upgrading them?”—It would as would any country, but it just would not be what you want it to be.
“You debunked NOTHING”—I actually did. Several times I might add. I got such a level of kick and giggles out of how easy it was.
You made claims you never could support. King Philip was not even one of them. You bring in a bunch of irrelevant things hoping that those will beef up your claims. They don’t. Then you switch positions in hope that moving to another will make you seem more right. It doesn’t
If you like I can and likely will make a list of all the claims you made here and were debunked on.
“If they just fed us and we stood around and did NOTHING for it, then yes, I’d say we were dependent leeches. OK? That is the difference.”—There is no stipulation to being dependent on something. The meaning of the word is clear. If you rely on or your life standing is determined by something or someone else then you are dependent. Period.
“Our survival was dependent on them, BUT if we didn’t beat their bullies, their survival was null&void too. They were dependent on us!”—Except those “bullies” were around before you came. How did they deal with them them? The same as they did before you came.
“If whites were as evil as you pretend, why didn’t we kill BOTH groups of savages, TAKE the food, and that’s that?”—Because you still needed the other group to teach you the land beyond the coast.
Except American culture is not a better culture. You only put it on a pedal stool.
“Rhodesia was a white country.”—Countries don’t have color, but if we want to go their it was stolen. That does not make it a white country.
“If you want to claim the English aren’t or weren’t white, it’s not me that has a level of delusion!”—Except I did not claim that and was not going to. I thought you got enough of embarrassing yourself by trying to lay claim to what I think or believe.
@epgah what does epgah stand for? Btw if you wrote anything besides vitriol and hate you’d be an eloquent and persuasive writer
We’re on land they once occupied. They were no more invited than we.
We actually made a country, they didn’t.
Think of 5-year-olds playing in a dirt lot. They don’t build anything (Or at least nothing lasting), they invent nothing, how is it theirs?
Then if a bunch of musclebound behemoths lift them off that dirt lot, and put them outside it, and build a store there, can they barge in and say “We own this store because we used to play in the dirt lot that was here before!”?
I’ve moved 27 times in my 36 years of life. Could I go to any of those previous houses and say, “Hey, I USED to live here, I’m gonna live here again!”?
I don’t think that would fly. The current occupants might make ME fly out a window, but that doesn’t “count”!
No savages are coming here because America used to be theirs. Mexicans used to be kept out by Apache and Comanche, now immortalized in military helicopters. It would be exceptionally ironic if we used those helicopters to keep them out…but we don’t. We have the Bum’s “Virtual Fence” with camera drones so we can WATCH them invade and rape our country, turning it into the same mess their country already is!
Before English, German was the Prime Language, and before that, Latin was. There’s always some Prime Language, everyone “has” to learn if they want the benefits behind it. AND of course, the lesser cultures are always going to whine some variant of “Hey, why can’t we have the benefits without the rest of the culture?”
American culture of WHAT YEAR? If even HALF of what my parents claim is true, then the 50s were better than the 80s, which in turn, are far and away better than the now-time. Technology is better, people, educational system, manners, safety, and other facets are worse. And this is the same country–allegedly–just separate temporally from itself.
Are you the same person as you were 30 years ago? Or even 10?
But if America is not a better culture, how do we still have a better country?
Or at least better than Mexico…Faint Praise, indeed!
And in turn, there are countries south of Mexico that make MEXICO look like a success story. Mexicans complain about Nigerian and Honduran illegals!
That is what you said. BUT King admitted that Europeans carved the mostly-blank land of Africa into COUNTRIES where there weren’t before.
Just like America, Rhodesia was sparse or even blank land before the Civilized World built it into a COUNTRY!
Stealing a country is a modern thing, there has to BE a country there first!
“Breadbasket of Africa”, now can’t even feed itself.
We send seeds, they either eat them or use them to soak up floods. Hilarious, but unproductive.
“What do you consider a COUNTRY to be? Are they supposed to coat the whole place in concrete?”
What are they SUPPOSED to do? Probably not take over other people’s lands without invitation, consent or payment, If it comes down to what they are “supposed” to do in the first place. But if you want to make an argument that part of the payment was “building up the country,” then it can’t just be built up for the White people in the country. Otherwise it’s not helping the people who you are arguing that it benefits for taking their land.
Well, the Europeans seem to keep changing their minds on what constitutes ownership. For example, when dealing with non-Europeans, then “Might Makes Right” is a perfectly acceptable rationale. “Manifest Destiny” in the Americas and the “Scramble for Africa” on the Continent exemplify that reality. However if Hitler invades Poland or France, then it’s no longer an acceptable rationale. Or if Saddam invades Kuwait, or if Putin invades Ukraine. This is what’s known as Moving The Goal Posts (please see sharinalr for details)
“After whites left, of course it’ll be worse! We raised their expectations! They’ve always HAD disease, starvation, death, and random violence, but now, because of Civilized World food, meds, and law-enforcement, they EXPECT not to!”
But then everyone has always had disease, starvation, death, and random violence. Do you watch the news? Do you read history?
These poor souls… such a Savage existence… (SMH)
EPGAH:
demanding things from it
and murdering the people and destroying it if they don’t get their way
This sounds an awful lot to me like what Europeans did for example in America but under no initial resistance from the indigenous people that lived there. The native people helped them – that’s what Thanksgiving is about isn’t it? Later down the line, they Europeans got greedy, took land but wanted more, encroaching on and then invading on what was established indigenous areas.
Guess who the murderers were here?
It’s my initials.
Why do you consider what I write “hate and vitriol”?
Whites are called “Cancer of the planet” on this very site!
Savages talk&sing about exterminating whites–sometimes they DO it, so why is it “hate and vitriol” to want savages to either calm down and behave or get the expletive of your choice out of our countries?
Is it also hate&vitriol when savages invade our countries, murder the people and overthrow them? Or when say, Mexico doesn’t want savages to breach THEIR southern border and cause “economic and cultural disruption”?
When does it stop being “hate and vitriol” and start being a reasonable desire not to be murdered, robbed, or otherwise violated?
Or is that NEVER a reasonable desire?
Speaking of which, have you seen the savages national anthem after they overthrew South Africa?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcOXqFQw2hc)
Kill the White, Kill the Boer.
What “context” makes that not “hate&vitriol”?
It wasn’t murder, it was fighting back. After you sell me land, I can do whatever I want with it. It is no longer yours, it is MINE!
If you get “worried” I’m buying too much land, the correct way of stopping me is to stop selling me anymore.
Japanese and Chinese are buying up land in America, from prime grazing land to Rare Earths mines–the ones necessary for Clean Energy technology as well as battery research. Should we kill them as well because the amount of land they’ve bought is “worrisome”?
Should we claim they only buy it for 99 years, instead of forever? (Hong Kong reference) We don’t renenge on land deals, we play fair, even with our enemies.
In any event, the savages CHOSE to attack us, and we CHOSE to fight back rather than bending over. So yes, the savages were the murderers.
If I sell you my house RIGHT NOW, then I kill you for being in “my” house, then I am the murderer. YOU legally have the deed. All your friends would exact vengeance on me, or at the very least, the police would!
Do you get the “context”?
“Under no initial resistance” is a bit of a red herring, BTW.
If you offer me enough for my house, I won’t “resist” selling to you.
If you buy too many houses in my neighborhood, the civilized way would be to organize the rest of the homeowners NOT to sell to you.
What the savages did was round up a posse and try to kill you for the equivalent of buying too many houses in my neighborhood. After the posse killed 1/10 of your family, you calmly shot the whole posse.
Is that a better explanation?
“Don’t think so.”—It is common knowledge now that you don’t think. Let’s take your example. You don’t just come and build a store on land. You pay for it. Seeing as you never paid the natives for their land then you are on stolen land. I doubt the man who puts up the store invented anything, but felt by some right he could just take the land. In the real world the natives were not just playing in sand on their lands. They had homes, crops, a lifestyle.
All your examples fail in these situation because frankly the key term here is paid for it. Something settlers did not do.
“No savages are coming here because America used to be theirs.”—False again. For example Texas used to be Mexicos. I believe some other areas fall into their too. So yea….they are returning home, but this is another straw man. I never said just Mexicans.
“Before English, German was the Prime Language, and before that, Latin was.”—False again. There were many languages, but none of them were prime ones.
“American culture of WHAT YEAR? “—That is irrelevant. The year does not change the heart of the culture.
“Are you the same person as you were 30 years ago? Or even 10?”—Nope, but that has a great deal to do with me pulling myself away from American culture.
“But if America is not a better culture, how do we still have a better country”—But you don’t have a better country. You would be surprised at the lengths your government goes through to ensure you believe that. It indoctrinate its citizens to believe that.
“anymore questions on the level of delusion of this man?”—I never questioned your delusion. I can read your post and let it stand as proof of your delusions.
“That is what you said. “—If that was what I said then you would be quoting it. The fact that you have not says a great deal. At any rate if you want to do a straw man then it would not be the first, but do stop putting words in my mouth.
“Just like America, Rhodesia was sparse or even blank land before the Civilized World built it into a COUNTRY!”—Just like America this would be another false statement with no supporting facts.
“Stealing a country is a modern thing, there has to BE a country there first!”—No it does not. Stealing by definition is taking what is not yours. If the land was not yours then you stole it. Just because you decided to call it a new name does not mean it was never stolen.
@epgah frankly, i’m surprised that this conversation has been going on all day? But the ‘mostly white’ colonislstic forces interrupted africans’ development, dutch east india co. Style, creating the diaspora, etc at the time of their industrial age, it’s been posited here before, idk you keep saying savages, and your reasoning is biased and ‘monolithic’, xenophobic, idk… not friendly either. My wife calls me racial slurs, so what, i mean we’re all grown (mostly) here, i’d assume
“vitriol and hate you’d be an eloquent and persuasive writer.”—I don’t think so unless he is talking to a bunch of individuals who do not do research. The heart of everything he says is a lie. Most of his rantings of paranoid rants of a mad man. Suffering from delusions of grandeur.
My comment is in moderation, but this portion I want to make very clear.
You have made the claim several times now of me saying something that I did not. If that is the tact that you must resort to then what every debate you think you have had with me has been lost several times over.
I DID quote it, I copied and pasted it directly.
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/the-broken-africa-stereotype/#comment-296048
Here’s a direct link to your comment, in case you forgot you said it.
Yes, and mostly nonwhite conquerors “interrupted” Rome’s development.
But the whites just got back up and continued.
And it should be noticed that whites and ONLY whites judged slavery ILLEGAL.
Whether or not we considered it WRONG, we made it ILLEGAL.
As to being biased, calling “White Privilege” a bad thing should be considered “biased” and thrown away. At least if we’re using the dictionary definition of “Privilege”, “Extra benefit or access earned by meritorious behavior”
When and how did that become a four letter word?
There’s a whole thread on how the Irish “mysteriously” became white, but they did so by learning how to behave, instead of insisting on behaving THEIR way in OUR country.
As to monolithic, we’re talking about a “minority” group that celebrates and angsts over being a “minority” group. Noone else suffered as much as they did, from slavery on up, right? If the majority of a group acts like X, and the rest of the group does not punish those who act X or extra X, we have every reason to suspect the group LIKES acting X, right?
Whites punished Hitler, so he was a madman.
Blacks APPLAUDED Mugabe so it was part of their DESIRED behavior, not a madman to their standards.
Is that a good illustration?
As to xenophobic, that would be true if and only if we had no indication of how a given group behaved. But we have whole COUNTRIES their behavior already ruined. Some groups, we’ve let into our country in substantial numbers, we can observe if their behavior “magically” improves from setting foot in our country. So far, I’d say they act the same or worse in our country as they do in their own, wouldn’t you?
Ever seen Star Trek? Dad bought the tapes and we watched one per night when I was a kid. The most extreme perversions of the human form were accepted because they BEHAVED. Things that looked like humans with bad mustaches and eyebrow implants were NOT accepted because they kept ATTACKING US!
Are we not supposed to judge by their behavior in real life?
on Sun Oct 4th 2015 at 22:49:51 mike4ty4
@EPGAH:
Slaughtering tens of millions in wars and genocides, deceiving and defrauding people out of land so that it could be used to extract resources, etc. are not “meritorious behavior”. It’s nation-scale robbery.
What the savages did was round up a posse and try to kill you for the equivalent of buying too many houses in my neighborhood.
Incorrect, since there is a presumption here that the dealings with the NAs were Honest. They weren’t, and employed various forms of deceit (fraud).
We don’t FORCE a lifestyle on anyone. They WANT our lifestyle, and consider it unfair if we have ANYTHING they don’t!
If they “WANTED” it and it didn’t need to be “FORCED”, then there was no need for whites to SLAUGHTER them by the MILLIONS in pursuit of granting it and try their darndest to obliterate their native culture. That was evil: murder, theft, rape, and psychological torture all in one. (Oh yeah and if you don’t think hostilities emerged until the Natives fired the first shots — WRONG. When Columbus first showed up his men took people and RAPED them. “Civilized” all right. Hostilities were established from day 1, by the Whites.)
“I DID quote it, I copied and pasted it directly.”—Aw so you were referring to that quote. But what you wrote is simply copy and paste and can been seen more as plagiarism than quoting me. Quoting it not throwing out a random sentence with no proper credit to the individual.
Here is an example of quoting: According to Roger Sipher, a solution to the perceived crisis of American education is to “Abolish compulsory-attendance laws and allow only those who are committed to getting an education to attend” (para. 3)
Notice the quotation marks around the quoted phrases. https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/owlprint/563/
At any rate, what of it? You have said nothing that changes what I said.
@EPGAH,
Also, if “whites” were truly so “civilized” and “sorry” they did all this slavery and were really trying to end it, not only would they have made it “illegal” but they would ALSO not have instituted 90 years of Jim Crow on top and instead would be or have been paying reparations to recompense the communities who were denied wealth after slavery was made “illegal”. (Seems after slavery was made “illegal” whites tried their darndest to keep Blacks as close to slaves as they could without making them actually so — almost as if the outlawing of slavery was a grudging concession instead of a whole-hearted display of “Civilization”.)
@sharina i meant stylistically,obviously we diverge on content, something … idk
I see africa as a succession of power vaccuums from untenable states of being directly traceable to berlin 1888 i believe bolstered by cheap weapons and expedience and ulterior motives, a sad thing really.
mike4ty4
We ARE civilized, which is why we’ve abided by land sale agreements, and not killed the ex-slaves like Moslems often did when they were “done with them”.
Oprah, MJ, Sharpton, Jackson, etc. were not killed so we could take back their property. Indeed one of those is well behind on taxes, IIRC?
Once the slaves were no longer our PROPERTY, by all logic, they should no longer be our PROBLEM right? We’re off the hook for their upkeep and all that? (Except with the Rise of the Welfare State, we are essentially THEIR slaves, but I think we’re supposed to ignore that?)
BUT that assumes the slaves just stopped existing once they stopped being property. They didn’t, they went directly from “property” (HELPING you make a profit) to “rival” (OBSTACLE to you making a profit), and in some cases, outright ENEMY (KILLING you to prevent you making a profit). So self-preservation would lead us to make the obstacle as small as possible and the enemy as safe as possible, right?
Jim Crow Laws varied from State to State, depending on the severity of the perceived threat. Which State do you want to go through?
One of them had literacy tests for voting. Only people who could READ could vote! I think that’s a GREAT idea, needed now!
Why pay reparations to the enemy? Where are the reparations for the chumps who bought slaves, and were abruptly divested of very expensive property? Or is it because they lost the war, they don’t DESERVE reparations?
What if your car or your computer went from being your property to your enemy? Would you pay it or try to destroy it? How much did you pay for your car, and would that amount of money prevent you putting a bullet through/between the headlights?
If only there were some highly allegorical movies about our machine property turning on us. Get Schwarzenegger on the phone, he’d be good for 3-4 of such movies!
on Mon Oct 5th 2015 at 00:13:39 EPGAH
Also remember, when they WERE offered a chance to get “out from under” AND reparations…Most REFUSED!
·Their own land–FREE
·Their own livestock–FREE
·Their own tools–FREE
·Their own effort determines how much they get!
Maybe they thought it was an MLM scal, but depending whose stats you take as Gospel, only 9,000-13,000 took them up on the Deal..OVER 100 YEARS!
(Lincoln to Eisenhower!)
Modern cruise ships carry more than that–plus passengers–every trip!
Maybe they weren’t crazy or desperate enough to leave, and the real ungrateful complaining wouldn’t begin until the 1960s?
Maybe they knew it would be overthrown as soon as America yanked the Marines that acted as Border Patrol for them?
Maybe if more had gone, they would not have been overthrown?
Look up Liberia in whatever info engine you like, tell me if I’m lying?
on Mon Oct 5th 2015 at 00:18:48 v8driver
one time, when i was in the homeless shelter in easton, pa? i met a marine sniper, he shot the opposition leader in liberia
@ EPGAH: Comment deleted for use of moderated language.
on Mon Oct 5th 2015 at 00:52:00 sharinalr
Perhaps…..
I met the Epic Beard Man before he was Epic, and the American Sniper before he was murdered, does that count?
Just goes to show africa and the middle east has been a chessboard for centuries
And south/southeast asia
EPGAH is banned for plagiarism.
I’m sure i’ve caused some grief here, but that was a little unsettling, plus it was like 2 weeks of discussion in 8 hours? Unreal.
on Mon Oct 5th 2015 at 16:46:17 villagewriter
@taotesan
“To be called a white ‘African’ (writing this hurts me) ties in, not with any nationalist, patriotic or any romantic notion, but with their unbridled capitalistic rapacity and their perverted ideology that they are God’s chosen people (Afrikaners) so they are entitled to all our land.”
When I read about “god’s chosen people” (Afrikaners) I had a good laugh. I am sorry but I do not trust them. They could plant a nuclear weapon in South Africa or even assassinate your president. Their kind of racism is so fresh and pure that it makes American racism look like Godly love.
on Mon Oct 5th 2015 at 19:55:24 Michael Barker
@ Mirkwood
It’s your blog, you shouldn’t have to come here for approval.
What you have in common with him is that the both of you deny white supremecy but for different reasons.
If you kept him around on your blog and debated him it might help you see things differently here and as they truley are. You have been here a while but have resisted changing your world view.
I would stick to my comment policy, though you might want to think about what changes you should have going forward.
He would still be here if he was not caught plagiarizing. To me trolls are part of the cost of doing business. Sometimes they can be put to good use as useful idiots.
Most trolls wind up using sock puppets, so I would keep my eye out for that.
on Tue Oct 6th 2015 at 13:11:21 Uglyblackjohn
Dang it!!! I finally get around to finding his reply and he’s gone?
The thing that he fails to understand is that most white immigration WAS done because white people wanted to get away from other white people.
That most of ‘his’ country’s wars: both World Wars, the Cold War, the Civil War, the Mexican-American War (Spain is European and white – he agrees), the War of 1812, the Revolutionary War and the Seven Year War – were fought against OTHER WHITE PEOPLE.
So much for being a civilized people.
(And yes, it was fun having him around.)
on Tue Oct 6th 2015 at 19:24:22 sharinalr
EPGAH’s screen name was very familiar and then I realized I debated him prior on some youtube comment section.
on Wed Oct 7th 2015 at 01:32:45 Fan ...
“I’ve decided not to ban him,…”
Well, it’s not like you have a large group of posters there, and commenters – for some people – are hard to come by, so I can understand you being far less discriminating… Besides, I didn’t see you disagreeing with a lot of its mess before IT was banned.
I suspect that you may not have enjoyed ITS presence here because IT was stealing away much of the attention you were formerly getting. lol
“If you refuse to do so, then I know you’re not seriously interested in what my political leanings are ….”
You’re kidding, right?? (Nice try … lol)
Even the walking dead KNOW what your politics are… which is why to a very large degree you stand OUT here. Much of what you, if not all you do here, is talk about the donkeys and the elephants. That’s why people like me don’t take you very seriously. You infinitely dodge the root issues, even when it’s politely explained to you.
“I am tired of trying to justify myself to everybody here 24/7, but I will keep at it.”
No one is buying your justifications because they are found bogus and irrelevant to what OUR day to day experiences are. If you wish to be taken seriously and not ignored (or used for entertainment) you need to come in here through a door of OUR shared circumstance. The door you approached and entered in here (your circumstance) just ain’t working!
on Wed Oct 7th 2015 at 15:01:36 taotesan
@villagewriter
I was going to write a sober response to your comment, but this popped into my mind and ran away with me. (Still trying to write, but feeling a little brain-dead at the moment.)
No, I do not ride zebras. It is a surprise to any African that zebras could be ridden, but I do have pet lion, Nelson, whom I walk with to my child’s school every day. I go about my day to day life in a loin cloth, with my breasts bared. Who is this Levi, Tommy Hilfiger and Donna Karan? I wrote this article, in African, had it translated into English by a special seer, in feather pen, in long hand, in my village , on papyrus and sent it cross-Atlantic by carrier pigeon. I do not know how to read. I have never heard of Shakespeare, Jackie Collins, Brendan Behan or Noam Chomsky. When trying to contact a relative long distance, I walk for miles and ululate in special code. What is this thing called a cell phone? My stomach is still digesting the GMO maize meal so generously donated by the USA, with mopane worms and chicken feet. I do not know what a quiche Lorraine, fettuccini carbonara or Nigiri is. When we listen to music, a goat must be slaughtered, and its hide cured and made into a djembe drum and we dance and ululate around the fireplace. I have never heard of Tchaikovsky, Whitney Houston, Eminem, Tupac or Bono.
I must tell you I have never had the AIDS. I am afraid of needles. I know this is too much information and you probably would not believe me, but my private parts are intact. What is this Princess Diana and Prince Albert piercings? When I have that thing Europeans call influenza, (not affluenza) I boil special herbs in water from the river that USA dumps their toxic waste. It tastes horrible. What is antibiotics? I do not have the Ebola either. Mzanzi or South Africa is closer to Antarctica than to Sierra Leone and Guinea. It’s about 9000 km. Sierra Leone is closer to New York (7063 km) than Cape Town. My sister tells me there are white people in America who have the Ebola.
In my hut, I use special cow-dung. I do not know magic white light. I have no idea how to re-heat a pizza, or how to load a washing machine. I have never heard of Mies van der rohe or Buckminster Fuller. Before my daughter goes to school, she walks barefoot in the dark, to collect firewood. I also rise early to collect water for bathing and drinking water. But I heard a lot about this TV, you know, the big box where the people who talk funny in the English tongue, live. My brother tells me that that ladies with long blond hair like to kiss a lot and like the sex with different men. He also says that the people, even the women with the sun-hair and no skin colour and white-white teeth like shooting people a lot. They have better guns than the Russian AK-47s and Kalashnikovs. . I do not like guns. My brother’s wife wants a weave like the Black ladies in the TV. You can buy a weave from the Chinese corner shop. Me, I am just a wash and leave. I also hear in America white fat people are dying from malnutrition.
When I travelled to the USA, I crossed the Atlantic Ocean in a dhow and then hitched a ride, monkey grip on Boeing 747.
I know there is a Black President in America, but my brother,he tells me that there is going to be another Black president, who is very, very rich, just like our president, but he is white and has a carpet on his head, just like our president who has a shower on his head.
My brother says orange is the new black.
Very funny clip by fellow Mzansinite, Trevor Noah.
Those are not the root issues. Those are YOUR root issues. When we attempt to discuss anything with you you happily dismiss it.
on Sat Sep 10th 2016 at 10:05:00 TheHipHopRecords (@TheHipHopRecord)
How many countries in Africa can you name ?
http://www.sporcle.com/games/g/africa
Quick little fun game.
I got 27 out 54. Can anyone beat that ? I don’t think so
Don’t cheat though. Unless you want to check spelling
on Sat Sep 10th 2016 at 13:20:30 Kartoffel
Ha, I love these Quizes. got 50/54 but I do them all the time. I couldn’t remember the english spelling of four countries. Also this test doesn’t forcde you to match country and its name, for example I never now which one of the islands is which.
on Sat Sep 10th 2016 at 16:54:41 gro jo
How is Mugabe like Hitler? You swallowed the propaganda all the while pretending to debunk it.
Africa is broken, how could it not be after more than five hundred years of near genocidal exploitation? The real question is how to repair the damage done. Only people like Mugabe have the balls to take on the task of repairing the damage.
@Kartoffel – 50 our 54 ? Are you serious ? What ones did you miss ? Anyone who get’s over 40 is a Jedi on African geography. I’ve never known anyone to get 50; That’s a Jedi master.
The average score is around 22. I’d say about 10% get over thirty, 5% over 40 and as I say (if your telling the truth) no-one has got to 50.
I knew my score of 27 would not be a stern test, the ‘I don’t think so’comment was tongue in cheek but that’s what I got. Best be honest
@Lord of Mirkwood – 38 is still way above average and like you I missed out on some incredible ones, that I can’t believe.
on Sat Sep 10th 2016 at 19:55:58 taotesan
I can tell who is a white American in my area without hearing them talk.
@taotesan: Can you recommend a book about the history of Africa I know this can be quite dodgy?
While trying to find decent reference books about the continent of Africa I have learned many books are written by whites who view Africa with a white lens and they are not objective. What I am learning is the language used in these reference books, for example “darkest Africa or black Africa. There is something very unsettling about that type of language. I want to make smart choices when I purchase reference books any suggestions will be welcome.
@taotesan: I love Trevor Noah he hilarious thanks for the YouTube share.
@ TheHipHopRecords
As I said it wan’t the first time I did such a quiz. I have no idea how much I scored when I did an Africa nation quiz for the first time. Also I learned all African states by heart as a child.
I couldn’t remember the English spelling of Mauritania, Equitorial Guinea, Sao Tome e Principe, Djibouti and other.
( Sorry, was watching Paralympian bench press)
@ Mary I can’t think off hand the exact titles with authors.
I will come back to you soonest.
Off- hand, I would highly recommend Guyanese Walter Rodney’s seminal work: How Europe Underdeveloped Africa. It is information dense beginning with the European slave trade of Africans to neo colonialism in Africa.
Kwame Nkrumah’ Decolonization.
Timbuktu by Diagne.
I can’t get the the title or author of Ancient Egyptian history. The historian was Caribbean and I think he was assissinated. I had read it a few years ago and the historians name eludes me.
A Comparative Study of South African and American History by Frederickson.
On my shelf and not yet read: Half a yellow Sun by Adichi
Chancellor Williams by The Destruction of Black Civilization
Revolution by Frantz Fanon.
Most of my books are packed away, and just can’t recollect.
Perhaps you could tell me the region and era that you might be interested in.
A good place to start would also be a light introduction through literature.
Nervous Conditions, by Tsitsi Dangaremga, a Zimbabwean.
Maru by Bessie Head, South African (highly recommended)
Naguib Mafouz : Trilogy , Egyptian
Things Fall Apart : Achebe, Nigeria
This will be nice a project for the week, and I will provide some background.
My reply to you is in moderation.
Yes, there are a plethora of books written by white foreigners through a paternalistic lens. Read a few and tossed them out.
Give me a bit of time to provide a precis of and better thought through and systematic recommendations .
I think a start could be is to first ground in Ancient history by Black historians:
I think ‘Stolen Legacy’ by a Guyanese, George Granville James, who was also assassinated like Walter Rodney! is a must read.
Cheikh Anta Diop: ‘African Origin of Civilization’ or any book by him.
(Glad you enjoyed Trevor Noah, Unfortunately, I have watched him so many times, that I can’t even laugh anymore. Briefly met him before he was famous. )
on Sat Sep 10th 2016 at 21:43:20 Solitaire
I only got 28. Out of the remainder, there were maybe half I knew but blanked on (e.g. Chad, Angola, Sierra Leone), but the rest I would have never gotten. I need to brush up on my African geography.
I also showed my age by trying Zaire. 😦
What is the name of the small African country with an American miltary base?
Clue:Which you might hear about in a few months time when the US announces that country needs a regime change or needs to install ‘democracy’
Another clue: China has troops there.
on Sat Sep 10th 2016 at 22:28:03 abagond
@ taotesan
Djibouti?
You are fast , Abagond. 🙂
Now how about on that overdue post on South Africa?:)
I got 53/54. I missed Seychelles.
@ taosetan
LMAO.
What is the name of the island in the Indian Ocean which Britain has stolen from its inhabitants and had sold it to the United States, which is now populated by Americans with its military base and what is the name of the island in the Indian Ocean which the the inhabitants were relocated and now live in abject poverty?
village writer and michaeljonbarker know the answer.
Here’s a gem: Which are the three African countries, which are diamond rich, had the Marburg virus?
Or one on Trevor Noah.
You can put Mary out of her misery, who has been throwing hints for a while. 🙂
53 out of 54?!?
Damn, Abagond, you are smart.
on Sun Sep 11th 2016 at 06:18:49 Afrofem
“the name of the island in the Indian Ocean which Britain has stolen from its inhabitants and had sold it to the United States, which is now populated by Americans with its military base and what is the name of the island in the Indian Ocean which the the inhabitants were relocated and now live in abject poverty?”
Diego Garcia.
@taotesean:Thank you for those titles I will write them down and check them out. A post on Trevor Noah would be great I think he’s funny and sharp.
on Sun Sep 11th 2016 at 20:15:13 taotesan
Not to mention. I will provide more later, when I am back home.
Trevor Noah On Black Americans.
I must have watched this about 20 times.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgZYCj39M38)
Not just a pretty face. Excellent.
And the Indian Ocean island the Chagossians were relocated to? No pressure.
Since you are so smart on African geography and all, perhaps another post on Africa from your pen is in order.
The Chagossian diaspora resides on three islands:
▷the Seychelles (east of Kenya/Tanzania) in the Indian Ocean
▷Mauritius east of Madagascar in the Indian Ocean
▷the UK in the Atlantic Ocean
I hope this is not a spoiler, but I saw an excellent 2015 article about the Chagossians in the Independent, a UK based newspaper/news site:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-chagossians-the-indian-ocean-islanders-exiled-from-their-home-and-struggling-to-make-ends-meet-10169107.html
on Mon Sep 12th 2016 at 21:11:55 taotesan
You are sharp.
( I could not get on to your link, yet).
(http://johnpilger.com/videos/stealing-a-nation)
John Pilger was the investigative journalist who brought it to the world’d attention.
And resw, it is through the Queen of England’s seal, that this crime is allowed to continue.
And do Americans know about one of the most outrageous crimes of the 20st century?
“Today, the main island of Diego Garcia is America’s largest military base in the world, outside the US. There are more than 4,000 troops, two bomber runways, thirty warships and a satellite spy station. The Pentagon calls it an “indispensable platform” for policing the world. It was used as a launch pad for the invasions of both Afghanistan and Iraq.”
LOL. Posts on present-day Africa are hard for me because I know from experience that I sit on the other side of a huge Eurocentric lens. For African history, I have better sources. So, the Songhay Empire, say, is much easier for me to do a post on than South Africa.
That said, on a blog like this, I cannot NOT do posts on South Africa and apartheid. And Zimbabwe too. And, because Mary’s suggestions are almost always good, Trevor Noah.
What are some good websites on news in South Africa?
on Sun Sep 18th 2016 at 02:32:20 Solitaire
So I took the map of European nations quiz on the same website and did just as dismally, like almost the exact same score.
Granted, Eastern Europe has changed a lot since I was in school — but I got several of those new little nations while completely blanking on Austria.
What’s even worse is that as I was filling in those little nations, I thought to myself, “That’s right, this all used to be part of the Austro-Hungarian empire.” And I still forgot to add Austria!
I did get Hungary, though. I do have a few brain cells left.
At least I did much better on the South America quiz, but then there were only 12 nations, so it’s not anything to brag about.
on Sun Sep 18th 2016 at 05:30:18 jefe
Thank you for that video link. I love Trevor Noah. I even tried to book tickets to see him on my next trip to New York.
After hearing his testimony, it reminds me of a lot that I grew up with too. It was not until I was in college that I shared a hotel room together with both my parents – and that was in Boston, not in the South. I find it inspiring that he can make a joke of it now and make others laugh.
on Fri Sep 30th 2016 at 21:09:11 taotesan
I am also an autodidact like you. I think learning about the History of Africa is so important in the diaspora. I have learnt about my own history(through woven interconnections) by learning about African American History.
Experiencing a fever of moods, amidst tumult here, so apology for replying in my own time.
Here is an addenda to previous recommendations.
“An Account of Egypt”, by Herodotus –
Abagond had written on it:
(https://abagond.wordpress.com/2015/02/20/black-people-according-to-herodotus/)
“ The Black Athena” by Martin Bernal, highly controversial book.
Ivan Van Sertima was born in Guyana.He is a literary critic, a linguist, an anthropologist and has made a name in all three fields.
He has also been honoured as an historian of world repute by being asked to join UNESCO’s International Commission for Rewriting the Scientific and Cultural History of Mankind. A small sampling from a prolific writer:
1 “Blacks in Science: ancient and modern”.
2. “Black Women in Antiquity”.
3.” Egypt Revisited”.
4.” Egypt: Child of Africa”.
5.” Nile Valley Civilizations”.
6. “African Presence in Early Europe”.
7.” African Presence in Early America”.
8. “Great African Thinkers”.
Dr. John Henrik Clarke, was a Pan-Africanist writer, historian, professor, and a pioneer in the creation of Africana studies and professional institutions. Molefi Kete Asante listed Dr. John Henrik Clarke as one of his 100 Greatest African Americans.
1.”Nile Valley Contributions to Civilization: Exploding the Myths ”
2″.Dawn Voyage: The Black African Discovery of America”
3.”Christopher Columbus and the Afrikan Holocaust: Slavery and the Rise of European Capitalism” ,amongst many other books. (I had half-read this on pdf and it is brilliant. I had also read that he was a teacher par excellence.
Toyin Omoyeni Falola is a Nigerian historian and professor of African Studies.
1.”Colonialism and Violence”.
2.”The power of African cultures”.
Chancellor Williams was an African-American sociologist, historian and writer. He is noted for his work on African civilizations prior to encounters with Europeans. his major work is:
1. “The Destruction of Black Civilization”.
Yosef Alfredo Antonio Ben-Jochannan,was an African-American writer and historian. He was considered to be one of the more prominent Afrocentric scholars.
1.”Africa: Mother of Western Civilization (African-American Heritage)”.
“Meanings of Timbuktu” by Shamil Jeppie, Souleymane Bachir Diagne
(http://www.hsrcpress.ac.za/product.php?productid=2216)
I apologize, if you were interested you would not have found it by my previous description.
Joseph Ki-Zerbo was a Burkinabé historian, politician and writer. He was recognized as one of Africa’s foremost thinkers. Ki-Zerbo campaigned internationally to make make slavery as a crime against humanity and that Africa should get reparations for it, too.
1. “History of Black Africa” originally written in French.
I have not read anything from a Black South African historian’s pen. However, not quite historical, but urgently, one of the most important books, is Steve Biko’s: “I Write What I Like.”
If you might be interested in South African history, there is an online history written by both Black and white authors.
(http://www.sahistory.org.za/)
It has been a while that I have been to my local library. Most of the books I had read a long time ago on History/Archeaology/ Anthropology of Southern and West Africa were authored by white academics.
Correction: “Toward the African Revolution” By Frantz Fanon
I had also read “Black Skin,White Masks” and “The Wretched of the Earth”, both hard to read, but worth the effort.
I would add: “Precolonial Black Africa” by Cheikh Anta Diop, who was an historian, anthropologist, physicist and politician who studied the human race’s origins and pre-colonial African culture. He was a towering intellectual.
Some I have read, half-read and quite a few are on my wish-list, if I had the time and money (and attention span).
I would love to own Unesco General History of Africa” volumes 1-V111.
Entirely at your convenience and schedule, could you let me know if it was at all helpful and what you book/s you had decided on and your take on them?
You might want to dip into a few of these online news wbsites. Honestly, I am the last person to vouch for any newspaper, as I have tremendous feeling that I am lied to and the news seems obscured to demonize Black people as the only corrupt ones, that criminality is essentially a Black enterprise and white plutocracy does not exist, even though there are excellent Black editors such as Justice Malala and previously Ferial Haffejee (I grew up with her) of the “Mail And Guardian” – mg.co.za. Most of the news is still dominated by whites.
I go through spells when I cannot bear to read or watch the news for a long while.
That being said,I would recommend
(http://mg.co.za/) with usually excellent editorials &
(http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/) which is regional.
(http://www.iol.co.za/)
(http://www.timeslive.co.za/)
(http://www.news24.com/)
I have added City Press:
[(http://mg.co.za/)
(http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/)
(http://city-press.news24.com/) ] as top recommendations.
(http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica)
I have a comment for you in moderation.
And corrections in moderation.
on Sat Oct 1st 2016 at 21:37:58 abagond
on Sun Oct 2nd 2016 at 01:04:28 abagond
Do you have any opinions about “Cry, the Beloved Country” (1948) by Alan Paton or “The Covenant” (1980) by James Michener?
on Sun Oct 2nd 2016 at 03:26:19 michaeljonbarker
@Taotasen
I am curious of your opinion of the newly elected major of Johnnasburg, Herman Mashaba. I understand he is a self made millionaire from developing hair products called “Black Like You”.
Is South Africa post aparthied a better climate for Black entrepreneurship ?
on Sun Oct 2nd 2016 at 17:57:06 taotesan
Thank you for asking for my input.
By brain is percolating, and stomach queasy scanning all the rave reviews and critiques of “Cry, The Beloved Country” that has won Alan Paton critical acclaim and is probably the widest read book on South Africa.
I have not read the book and am way too jaundiced to write a balanced critique on a dead white man’s paternalistic juvenile dehumanization of Black people. The white liberal is the one who tells us how to respond to his kick.
For now, I had picked up that book was a ‘poetic and nuanced lyricism” of a quixotic look into pre-apartheid South Africa.
Interestingly, Alan Paton’s widow had scurried back to England, after Nelson Mandela was the first (Black) democratically elected President. She complained South Africa was too violent. When one of the most evil systems was about to be codified, she and her late husband opted to stay put.
I will come back to you tomorrow with some kind of synthesis, Abagond.
Are you reading it at the moment or have seen the film with James Earl Jones
and Charles S. Dutton?
If you do, if I may offer that you read Steve Biko’s ‘I Write What I Like’ as a perfect counterpoint to white liberalism in South Africa.
“The Covenant” was banned in South Africa during apartheid. That in itself should not carry the have to read, because it was verboten. It was merely banned because Michener had wrote about apartheid in his particular style. I have not read “The Covenant” either.
Although, through blurbs, it starts with the San migration, it has a lens through Afrikaners and their history, hundreds of pages long. You will come out dirty. That the tome ends in 1980, when the country was in political turmoil, I do not think justifies reading 900 pages.
If there are any questions or suggestions, I could e-mail you.
(You are catching me out as my reading of late has been from the pen of African American and Caribbean writers).
” it reminds me of a lot that I grew up with too. It was not until I was in college that I shared a hotel room together with both my parents – and that was in Boston, not in the South”
I do not share your stance on Kiwi’s antipathy towards Black people.
That said, I am tremendously saddened to read your story with your mother and father.
I have read a bit about Jim Crow South, but were there codified laws like the ‘immorality act’ , ‘mixed marriages act’ as in South Africa, that legally made such unions illegal, punishable to the full-extent of the law?
In some way, if my child was born during Jim Crow or apartheid, tragedy such as yours, Trevor Noah and Bessie Head would have been befallen my small family.
He is extremely clever, if you know what I mean, to embody magnanimity and self-deprecation showing up the absolute absurdity behind personal tragedy. One can laugh, go mad, like Bessie Head, or die of a broken heart like my half-brother.
I misspelled Taotesan’s name. My apologies
on Mon Oct 3rd 2016 at 00:46:14 Mary Burrell
@taotesan: I thank you for your wonderful suggestions I have decided to go with the UNESCO General History of Africa Volumes. However I will definitely explore some of the other books you suggested. Many thanks sister.🤓🤓
on Mon Oct 3rd 2016 at 04:35:05 abagond
I have copies of both books and am wondering if they are worth reading.
on Mon Oct 3rd 2016 at 21:16:40 taotesan
@ michaeljonbarker :Not a problem at all, will reply later.
As a person that subscribes to Black consciousness, I cannot recommend” ‘Cry, The Beloved Country” the liberals handbook, in good conscience. If you do, use James Baldwin’s understanding of white innocence, and Biko’s appraisal of the white liberal to thoroughly appreciate the project of white South Africans instant self exoneration of crimes against humanity, whilst successfully demonizing the Black (criminals) victims, casting themselves (whites) as civilizing saviours and victims of pinned privilege. This book is one of those.
Of all the reviews, not one Black voice was amongst the praise.
I can’t read anything written by white South Africans without thick cynical cataracts. Strained to yet give good recommendations, because most books are still published white authors.
Wow. Thanks. I was afraid of that.
Quite long, dismiss if necessary.
From studynotes and reviews: (that you won’t find on goodreads)
My obtuse understanding of interweaving Alan Paton’s life and that of the ‘white antagonist’, fleshed out an the white protagonist, this is a beautifully written book about the skin deep understanding of the liberal. Paton, concedes that the South African Black is broken by cultural decimation, through enforced labour, and land loss, through the white exploitation. The landowner Jarvis/ Paton, cannot go below the skin of genocide and slavery and recent recipients of African land, to see that they themselves are the criminals and invaders.
Instead they are come with ersatz Christianity as means of reconciling the irreconcilable. The landowner offering cheap benevolent philosophy to the victim is small change, a pro-active balm against an intuitive sense that white people deserved to be killed for their crimes. The same Christianity that has made the landless, beasts of burden, docile, preaches to the Black man to love his oppressor. There is no sense of irony through Paton, that Jarvis that he is a settler, an invader, but some-one tied to the land, as echoed in Alan Paton living on acres and acres of land, displacing the Native and relying on him for mining, and domestic servitude, and the indentured servitude of subcontinental Indians(in Kwa Zulu Natal).
Got carried away.
That the book was published before 1948, just when virulent Nazi-inspired racism codified under Afrikaner apartheid, was put in place, his vision of South Africa , though quixotic, yet Paton himself and his white ‘protaganists’ never found apartheid repugnant enough to up and leave in disgust to their mother country, merely offering a critique of the status quo, on the racist uncles of Afrikanerdom.
The Afrikaners gave the British and Jewish liberals shade to tolerate the worst abominations. Merely , by describing the abominations and offering advice to the Native about his own liberation through a foreign ‘civilizing’ Christianity betrays the paternalism of the white saviour, without really doing anything, except to dispense maudlin, schmaltzy forgiveness, in a flipped script, that is not theirs to forgive. The liberal colonist gets to keep the land and the minerals, his own religion, obscene wealth hypocritical dependence on cheap labour and the saved façade of goodly ‘anti-racism’, power, exemption from psychological torture, and arrogance to lecture the Indigine, dispensing ‘philanthropy’ through civilizing the already dismembered,disenfranchised and dispossessed.
Any white man killing any black person would have gotten off scot- free. As a matter of fact less than a handful over the last century and a bit has been jailed for killing, stealing, raping any Black man and woman. Khumalo is jailed for killing the settlers son, who forgives him. The unnatural bending forced upon Africans to endure the most abnormal circumstances with no way out is out of the criticism of the white man who is the originator of that abnormality. My words not, Paton’s.
Sophisticated white man’s tears where ‘forgiveness’ is not theirs to give. Alan Paton and Jarvis stayed put on land that was stripped from Blacks 1913 Native Land Act. They did not give it up back then, and they still have not given it back now.
on Thu Oct 6th 2016 at 23:02:42 taotesan
Only a pleasure.
@ michaeljonbarker.
Yes, poportunities have indeed opened up for some South Africans across the board. There are now a few millionaires and a middle-class due to entrepreneurship. ( I, myself am had two failed small businesses- one being freshly prepared vegan and vegetarian food ).There was no Black middl-class twenty years ago.
Most however , are situated in the corporate environment. Before, all that talent was consigned as cheap labour. However, many people have good ideas, but the failure rate for entrepreneurship is very high compared to other countries – about 70% due to complex reasons- competition for markets, not having requisite business skills, lack of role model emulation, high interest rates for start-up , lack of infrastructure, lack of finance due to lack of assets, background of terrible education system and an alloy of other reasons.
What I am more concerned about is the Black and Coloured membership of the Democratic Aliance. The DA is essentially a Jewish and afrikaner party. Some Blacks do not see that they are being played even with leadership positions the top positions, like mayorship. The top echelons of the party are not Black and has strong ties with Zionism. Its unstated mission is to re-install white rule, applying similar undermining tactics as the Jewish presence in the NAACP.
(http://www.smesouthafrica.co.za/15427/The-state-of-SAs-township-entrepreneurship/)
on Thu Apr 12th 2018 at 09:02:38 satanforce
Hey Abagond – check your e-mail again. Could you help me with that thing I asked you?
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How daily life has changed in the last 30 years
Tue Feb 4th 2014 by abagond
“Subway” (1980), Bruce Davidson
If on January 24th 1984, the day the Macintosh computer came out, I slipped into a coma or through a time warp so that the next thing I knew it was 30 years later in New York City, how would things seem different?
The most surprising thing is that things are pretty much the same. No shiny science fiction future, no Blade Runner world either. Just the same old stuff with some differences.
Money: The money looks somewhat different. Prices have doubled.
20 dollar bill from 1981
New York: The subway trains are nicer. So is Times Square. The Twin Towers are gone. There is another building in their place. Strange. The city seems to have more wealth and confidence, but poverty is still high.
New York subway train, c. 1980
New York subway train, 2013
Race: New York is about as black as it ever was, but it has become more Asian and Hispanic and less white (from a half to a third of the city). On the other hand, Harlem is whiter. Whites seem more racist, especially:
The police stop and search blacks and Latinos more than they used to.
Cars: look more streamlined. Many have no trunk.
New York taxi, 1983
Colour screens are everywhere. They no longer require a heavy box that sits on a table.
Telephones no longer ring a loud bell. They are wireless and can fit in your pocket. Most people have one. They look at them even when they are not talking to anyone.
Video games are far more realistic looking and far more common.
video game, 1983
Computers have pretty much become what Steve Jobs wanted in 1983:
[W]e want to put an incredibly great computer in a book that you can carry around with you and learn how to use in 20 minutes … and we really want to do it with a radio link in it so you don’t have to hook up to anything and you’re in communication with all of these larger databases and other computers.
In 2014 the radio link is called Wi-Fi, and the “larger databases and other computers” are called the Internet. Email is common.
Steve Jobs introduces the Macintosh, 1984
Steve Jobs introduces the iPad, 2010
How to look stuff up: From library card catalogues to Google on the Internet.
search engine, circa 1984
search engine, 2014
Television: Everyone has cable television. There are tons of channels and they rarely go off the air. Animation and graphics are better.There are more ads, contest shows, partisan news and news comedies. American television seems as white as it ever was.
Music: Rap is much more common. Even white people listen to it.
Top R&B song on January 24th:
1984: Patti LaBelle: If Only You Knew
2014: Beyoncé featuring Jay Z: Drunk in Love
Patti LaBelle, 1983
Beyonce, 2014
Cameras do not need film.
The New York Times has colour photos.
New York Times, 1983
Magazines: Layout and graphics are better, writing more bite-sized. The skin of women in pictures sometimes looks strangely smooth.
Ebony magazine, December 1983
Ebony magazine, September 2013
Unfamiliar words and phrases: texting, cellphone, racial profiling, stop and frisk, al-Qaeda, YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, tweets, twerk, app, “visit time.com” (where is it?), FLOTUS, cultural narrative, social media, empowerment, Islamist, outsourcing, genome, internet, 9/11 hijackers, mwahahaha.
Who is Oprah? Harry Potter? Rihanna? Spike Lee? Who are the Cosby Kids? What is crack? Starbucks?
Less common or gone: watches, boom boxes, Walkmans, record players, VCRs, video arcades, Woolworth’s, Jheri curls, Crazy Eddie ads, pay phones, telephone books, writing letters, marriage.
New: Kindles.
Newport cigarette ad, 1985
early 1980s to early 2010s:
The future that kind of never was
The future that was
New words from 1983 to 2012
The 2010s in science fiction:
John Brunner: Stand on Zanzibar
Patti LaBelle: If Only You Knew
Living a year without the Internet
King’s Dream at 50: A Report Card – comparing 2013 to 1963
The Black illegitimacy argument
on Tue Feb 4th 2014 at 21:18:51 Adeen
Great post, Abagond. It is rare that I comment on your blog anymore because there is way too much White commenters and some of the commenters get on my nerves. Anyways I completely agree with this post because not much has changed since the 1980s except we have technology such as IPADs, IPODs, laptops, digital television. I wasn’t alive in the 1980s being apart of the younger generation but I don’t see much difference between the 1980s and 2010s.
on Tue Feb 4th 2014 at 21:36:21 Sharina
Perhaps sooner on the self driving car part. I do believe a test model has been put out by google so far. I personally am not looking forward to that. A part of me feels it is creating a trend of laziness.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chunkamui/2013/01/22/fasten-your-seatbelts-googles-driverless-car-is-worth-trillions/
on Tue Feb 4th 2014 at 22:03:15 Bulanik
Someone was telling me about an “Anti Wrinkle Clinic”, and a non-surgical liquid facelift. Injections in the face is quite a new thing.
It makes me think that the pharmaceutical industry has penetrated our lives in a way it didn’t before. I also remember a time when I’d see naturally grey-haired women, now I only see this among the very senior in age.
Who would have thought that design could have such power?
Perhaps I first felt that when I saw pictures of Frank Lloyd Wright’s “Falling Water” house, a large house built over a waterfall.
I think that the designer, Jonathan Ive, has — perhaps singlehandedly — changed how everyday objects look and feel.
He designed the IPod, iPhone, Apple ear pods, etc.
These things are so sleek and smooth, no bulk or hard edges.
Consumer products are another world.
What have these gadgets done to the once-prevalent newspaper, for instance? The music industry is not what it once was, too.
Not even a devise for listening to music could be so discreet and exquisite as these earphones:
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTWG82cgwpuO2bCX5hyqQuqv-wE9J0jt10yhlOmKcTSg8QODCdH
“The music industry is not what it once was, too.”—I agree and I think (just throwing this idea out there) that it all comes down to being marketable and not really talent. Making money has really become top priority in todays society. It is sad, but considering I have been buying up all the music I love on mp3 from old (thank goodness it is still available) I am all good.
@ Sharina — true words. Sure, the music industry or business has always been about the business and the industry over and above the music — but it HAS changed, for the worse — in just the way you say.
(I kind of miss going into a record / CD shop and browsing in all the sections that I don’t know anything about!)
on Tue Feb 4th 2014 at 22:18:47 King
One remarkable thing would be to note how fashion slowed down to a crawl somewhere in the 1990s so that you could easily wear many clothed from 1994 today, and they would not even look a day out of place.
Very different from the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s.
King, interiors have changed. Perhaps more people care more about that now, than before?
I think interior design has moved on in the last decades, because I believe as “design” it has gained greater respectability and became a growth business.
A really big one.
As a result, I believe many more interior architects and designers work with a surer hand, for example, fusing shabby chic with industrial:
Or take the work of Vincente Wolf, for instance, who will source something Ethiopian, or Rajastani, with 1940s North American furniture and make it work, and this influence has been far-reaching:
“I kind of miss going into a record / CD shop and browsing in all the sections that I don’t know anything about.”—Those were the days I simply took for granted. I don’t even think we have record/Cd shops anymore. 😦
Interesting. I never noticed. Then again I am pretty unconventional when it comes to fashion.
on Tue Feb 4th 2014 at 22:51:27 Karin
Haha, marriage. C’mon now.
I totally agree about interiors! They have change quite a lot. Even the Radio Shack has changed their interiors!
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUwwZHdx6SU)
And I’d say the changes definitely look better! Strange how that one field should have changed so much.
I miss the CD, but even more miss my BOOK stores! They just keep closing! There is almost nowhere to go and browse through real books any more!
This is a man’s suite and haircut from 1996
Nothing like the drastic changes in clothing and hairstyles from 1965 to 1975
on Tue Feb 4th 2014 at 23:00:23 Matari
A few other observations from then to now:
Homelessness – used to be next to nothing to what it is now…with all sorts of people now living on the street… thanks to Ronald Reagan’s domestic (“trickle down”) economic/domestic policies.
Surveillance Technology – cameras everywhere now (except for bathrooms… give that a few years!) PCs, cable boxes equipment and Internet backbone that can and do spy on their users. DRONES…
Food – too much processed junk and GMO crap out there today. Cows and chickens injected with growth hormones and anti-biotics…
Education – people are getting dumber in America!
Tolerance – for crooked/corrupt political system/process and politicians.
Manufacturing/Production – now goes to the cheapest regions that pay assembly workers the least. Everything is about corporate profit, not what’s good or right for the many.
More Prisons – filled with more and more black and brown bodies based on unevenly enforced laws.
Flu shots/vaccinations – (WTH is in those toxic cocktails???) Why are you allowing yourself and your children to receive these poisons?
on Tue Feb 4th 2014 at 23:06:01 thwack
Some people may deny the ability of philosophy to “change daily life” (Im not one of them) but one change Ive noticed in the last 30 years is how the historical research of people like Diop, Massey, Bernal, Clark… is no longer dismissed as “afrocentric negro babble”. To the contrary, it is now often embraced and white people give TED talks and produce PHD papers on the African origins and contributions to civilization.
Im pretty sure white people already knew much of this information. But with the advent of the internet, even a broke black person could do their own research and EVEN find the European sources that back up things the so called “Afro centrists” say/said
Many of these black history researchers died broke because there was never much/any money in revealing this information to black people; in addition to the lack of “paid positions” available for black people to pay their bills while they conducted this important work on the side (like white people are able to do).
For example, I saw Runoko Rashidi give a slide presentation at a “little hole in the wall” black book store back in the 80s. He had to spend a lot of his own money to travel and do that kind of research.
Then drive around giving presentations in order to sell his book. People like this have a tremendous amount of energy; and they had better; because very few people are going to help them. There is a name for people like that?
Like I said, you may not think it impacts “daily life” but people change their behavior once you know, that they know, that you know; and once they know, that you know, that they know.
Was the 1980s more “conservative” because it was the time of the HIV/AIDS epidemic? Homosexual men were carriers of a “homosexual” disease.
After a time it became a “sub-Saharan African” and stayed there.
I recall hearing that even the first case of it was traceable to someone who had contracted it in Haiti.
on Tue Feb 4th 2014 at 23:25:46 Omnipresent
Heard this on an old mixtape of the 80’s a while back – just thought it tied in to the post
The Fatback Band – Is this the future
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG3xxqkFT3c)
on Tue Feb 4th 2014 at 23:57:55 v8driver
yeah! what about vinyl records
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 00:01:28 mary burrell
Less common or Gone: Jheri curls, HAHA!
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 01:13:01 Sharina
I actually miss the old mario games and sonic for that matter.
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 04:11:43 myowntruth911
@Abagond I was wondering if you had any words of wisdom for young black men in this day and age?
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 04:36:49 cleonette
So Newport, the cigarette that has one of the highest concentrations of nicotine, was always marketed towards blacks. I think this is worth exploring.
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 08:27:41 grin and bear it
“mwahahaha”
Heh. Best new word ever.
Other differences between today and 1984:
You didn’t have to subscribe to cable to see major sporting events. You didn’t really have to “pay” for TV at all.
Winter and Summer Olympics occurred in the same year.
The best (or most popular) shows on television played on one of three television networks.
Listening to music was a social occasion — you could (and often did) invite your friends over just to listen to the latest Michael Jackson, Prince, Earth, Wind and Fire or Eagles album. You’d pass the album cover around, marvel at its art, read the lyrics that appeared on the jacket. Ear buds and digital downloads have pretty much done away with recorded music as a purely social event — unless it’s a party or concert, people don’t congregate to listen to music any more.
“Public” meant free (or fairly cheap), open to all during a wide range of hours, and easily accessible, regardless of whether it was a school, college, park, library, museum, transit system, or other entity.
Shoulder pads were big, but hair was bigger. And it was kind of the first time you began to see colored hair that was intentional, and not a dye job gone bad. Green hair and mohawks weren’t as popular among young folks as they are today, but that was the first time styles like that weren’t considered weird or out of the ordinary.
Countries such as South Korea, China, India, Ireland, and Brazil were not regarded as technologically or industrially…significant.
Geopolitical concerns mostly centered around the U.S./Western Europe vs. the Soviet Union/Eastern Europe, while Asia, Latin America, and Africa were given scant attention.
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 08:27:57 eco
“GMO crap
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 09:50:44 Daniel Bryant
plus violent crime is way down— WAY down. that’s better. record players and vinyl are coming back, but not in the same capacity they were in the early 80s.
Why are menthol cigarettes especially Newports always marketed toward the black community?
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 11:17:37 Mosh
30 years ago the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia existed, and South Sudan was still part of Sudan, Qaddafi was still alive, there was no ‘war on terror’, being Muslim in America was a lot easier, nobody had ever heard about Pakistan or Afghanistan, Airport security was really lax and compared to now civil liberties were respected, nobody thought America would have a Black President thirty years later, nobody expected a Pope from the Americas.
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 12:17:51 Pay it Forward
There exists the belief that menthol cigarettes are more addicting and more difficult to quit than regular cigarettes. There also exists a stereotypical notion that Blacks (and Hispanics) have some sort of a ‘thing’ for mentholated cigarettes….
I myself quit cold turkey just over 5 years ago, and found it surprisingly easy to do so. However, if there had never been such a thing as a menthol cigarette in the first place, I probably would never have become a smoker. Plain tobacco.tastes just awful to me.
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 15:16:33 Blanc2
Agabond, you’re still killing it. Excellent post after excellent post. I rarely comment because of shortage of time, but I read you regularly, almost always learn something, and usually leave your joint with something to think about (even if I disagree with you, which happens less often than you’d probably expect).
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 15:59:23 King
I don’t agree. The silhouette (in men’s clothing anyway) is much tighter right now. The 90210 link shows a very loose silhouette, it’s very out of place, that is to say, dated”
Ahh, you speak of the “slim fit suit” effect. But most of the suits sold in 2013 were not slim fit suits by a long shot. For one thing, for it to look right, you kind of need a certain narrow frame. Also, people 50 and older aren’t keen on what they consider “the tight fit suit.” Many friends of mine think a suit that is too snug simply looks gay, and since they are straight, they don’t wear them. I’ll allow that they have had some overall effect on silhouettes, but the change is far from dramatic.
Again this is a suit from 1997, a full 16 years ago!
This is a skim fit suit from last year
In the shame of fashion, its AMAZING that a 16 year old suit looks so close to it’s modern equivalent.
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 16:01:42 buddhuu
How daily life has changed in the last 30 years:
I no longer have to spend time combing my hair…
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 16:08:08 ks
@ Legion,
I’m sorry but your escalator analogy is really absurd. The facts about vaccines are readily available. If you want to be anti-vax, or are looking for a reason, however dubious, to be anti-vax you’re entitled to your opinion. There’s no need to pretend that there’s some mysterious “1% issues” holding you back.
Be honest, is your comment in moderation because you used profanity?
C’mon now, that was just a sideways response to Kiwi’s point about vaccines. Saying that any event in life carries risk and opportunity is a self evident but meaningless or as lawyers might say “non-responsive” response. Especially when you use an unfortunate but, very one off example as evidence and when you state that there is some issue with transparency (regarding vaccines) when there is not.
Very interesting pictures of the suits. The only really noticable difference is the width of the lapels and height of the first jacket button.
I agree with your friends about the too tight suits. Unless you have a very specific body style, you wind up looking like a sausage stuffed into a too small casing which makes the makes the too short jacket sleeves and high water pants look even worse!
@ ks
Well, a thin-fit suit can look good on a thin-built guy, but there are variations on the styling that can make even thin guys look unnecessarily waif-like. As for guys with more significant muscle mass, it’s just impossible, and of course overweight … well, just doesn’t go with “slim fit” anyway.
Neat, rather than baggy/sloppy
Liable to be absolutely embarrassing in photo albums 6 years from now.
^ Haha!! It must be your copious use of mock ebonics then!!!!
Here’s a “slim fit” suit from the 1867!
Thinking about stuff in 1984. I was living in Detroit. Saw and rode a “mountain bike” for the first time. Most people had never heard of one nor seen one. Saw a then probably 16- or 17-year old Regina Carter tearing it up Jean Luc Ponty style in various clubs around Detroit. Break dancing/”hip hop” were the brand new thing, mostly via bootleg cassettes mailed from friends back east. Reagan was POTUS. Nobody had computers or cell phones at home. There was no TSA at airports.
Ha! Yeah, sadly, people rarely can see how far off base the “fashion of the moment” is until AFTER the fact.
@ King,
I agree with Legion. That pic#2 is embarrassing right now!
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 18:34:33 Matari
While in the process of looking at your “tin-foil hat” snark, I came across a picture that glaringly resembled you. See for yourself!
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4837238224718175&pid=1.9&m=&w=300&h=300&p=0
Apparently, dumbasses come in all shapes and forms. You really should lay off those vaccines that are laden with formaldehyde and bovine ingredients. That’s not a good look you’ve got going on there!
Toxins plus stupidity is a bad mix. G’day.
OK, that makes 3 of us!!!
I was trying to be nice.
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 19:17:03 Ebonymonroe
I miss walkmans, I miss the 90’s. The 90’s were the best time to be young. MTV singled out, celebrity de@thmatch, fanatic, the first seasons of the real world, the vmas. We had everything from Moesha to Sister sister, Clueless and the boyband era, conscious Hip hop was big, the pseudo intellectual (I’m intelligent because I drink coffee am anti commercial and wear flannel shirts) indie rock era. I think in many ways, advances in technology have separated us as human beings. We don’t have robots like many people thought we would, but we have become them.
And I miss the 80’s John Hughes era. Don’t you, forget about me . . .
Everybody wants to rule the world . . . say that you’ll never . . .
80’s babies/90’s preteens rule!!!
We don’t have robots like many people thought we would…
Speak for yourself!!!!
I have them 🙂
Yeah they are indeed too big but it’s horrible compared to um…satorial splendor…that was George Jefferson. Man that 70s era stuff was something else. The humongous shirt collars worn on top of the airplane winger sized suit lapels…
That should read Yeah they are indeed too big but it’s NOT TOO horrible compared to the um…satorial splendor…
Speaking of sartorial splendor …
http://www.thesartorialist.com
Surely you are familiar with?
I was not. Great site. People of all races, ages, etc. working it. Thanks!
Lol. What is that a duster?
Haha! Bite your tongue, Ebony! It’s European!!!! And we all know that that makes it BETTER!
Lol. But, no, really, what is that thing? Do you really have a robotic duster. I would love a robot to do my housework! I would love a robot for a hoover, although it would probably freak me out.
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 20:56:07 Shady_Grady
Herb Tarlek. =)
@ Ebonymonroe
it’s a, iRobot Roomba robot vacuum cleaner. I have 2 of them! They do all of my vacuuming for me!
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu7NNfqe46c)
I hate vacuuming and I only use my upright if i have a huge spill.
@ Shady_Grady,
Ha! Goodness gracious, look at that oufit! But I will agree with Legion again, Herb carries it well.
You admitted you do not know what’s in vaccines and called them “toxic” in the same sentence. That kind of monumental ignorance mixed with hints of a conspiracy theory is tin foil hat worthy. The fact that you are also anti-GMO is like a cherry on top.
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 22:56:30 eurasian
in my opinion the most relevant global trend from 1950 up to now and with all likelihood at leat up to 2100 is the population explosion in subsharaafrica. For example 1980 the number of children born in nigeria was around 12 percent of te children born in india. in 2012 it thias number has risen to 25 percent, and it will most likely grow further.
please excuse my bad english, as i am no native speaker
@Ebonymonroe
“80′s babies/90′s preteens rule!!!”—-Love it Love Love it!!!!
Herb Tarlek, WKRP In Cinncinatti. LOL!
on Wed Feb 5th 2014 at 23:23:44 mstoogood4yall
so I see the newport cigarette ads are still aimed at black people smh.
Another thing that has changed is mcdonalds is everywhere and so is walmart. walmart went from walmart to a walmart supercenter selling pretty much everything. 2 dollar bills are gone.
I noticed pay phones were gone too, and also Hollywood video and a lot of other video stores are gone as well and we now have redbox and netfilix.
rated r and pg13 movies are more graphic than back then.
oh and mood rings, I used to have one now I can’t find any offline. I used to have a Walkman now I have an ipod shuffle. I still have my ps1 and sega dreamcast and nitendo.
I miss the Walkman. I loved my boombox.
it is hard trying to find a cd player as well. I still have movies on vcr tapes, lol I remember when the tapes used to get stuck or break me and my brother would unwind the tape and run around with it through the house. the hot comb has changed too, went from being a hot comb u had to heat up on the stove or the electric one to flat irons. Things are not as heavy either, irons and cars are not as tough. and no water beds.
the Walkman was good, but kind of bulky, oh and I miss when my song would come on the radio having to hurry up and record it on tape ,those were the days. I remember my boombox, It was more portable than the stereo systems they have now. my dad told me how they used to carry the boombox on their shoulders or attach it to their bikes lol.
@mstoogood4yall: lol.
lol, yeah irons were heavy matter of fact my mom had an iron fall on her when she was a child and still has the scar on her head.
http://www.nature.com/news/study-linking-gm-maize-to-rat-tumours-is-retracted-1.14268
Anyway, even if a kind of GMO is bad for you that doesn’t mean they all are. They may just be the thing that will save millions of people from starvation. It seems to me that many people simply believe in the magic power of labels – that when something is called ‘organic’ it’s automatically good for you, is more nutritious or even tastes better.
This obviously is not a proper study, but the reactions are predictable:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zqe4ZV9LDs)
People never truly know what they are eating, but simply calling something ‘GMO’ has negative connotation that are not really based on science.
Another thing that was fun was when u had to record shows on vcr tape because there was no dvr back then and somebody else accidently records over ur show. it starts off then flips to sports like wtf, who the heck recorded over my cartoon.
I posted a reply to Legion that’s currently in moderation. I didn’t notice he wanted to switch threads. I thought he was simply linking to a study.
on Thu Feb 6th 2014 at 00:00:03 v8driver
Our school had one of these, a TRS-80:
My dad had one of these in the basement, a Televideo:
I had one of these, an Apple ][e:
My best friend had a Timex Sinclair:
http://oldcomputers.net/ts1000.html
My dad’s friend had the osborne-compaq “portable”:
excepting the apple, these were all running CP/M, the precursor to DOS, actually I had a CP/M emulation card in my Apple
yes, all in 1984
on Thu Feb 6th 2014 at 00:08:11 Ebonymonroe
Although I haven’t read through the posts regarding the discussion on vaccines, I must say, I’m very sceptical on the safety of vaccines.
Exert “The Maker’s Diet” by Jordan S. Rubin
“Despite massive media and government public relations campaigns to the contrary, certain childhood immunisation injections may pose considerable risks to children. Most adults today received one to five immunisations in childhood, but school children today receive an average of twenty-two or more immunisations-most of them administered while the brain and nervous system are still developing!” An epidemic of juvenile autism and other neurological and developmental disorders sweeping through America’s school aged children generally coincides with the introduction of certain mandatory immunisations. A growing body of scientific and medical research appears to link this dangerous health trend to these childhood immunisations. Vijendra K. Singh, Ph.D., an eminent neuroimmunologist from the Department of Biology and Biotechnology Centre at Utah State University, hypothesized in research published internationally “that a measles virus-induced autoimmune response is a casual factor in autism, whereas HHV-6 via co-infection may contribute to pathophysiology of the disorder. Although as yet unproven, I think it is an excellent working hypothesis to explain autism, and it may also help us understand why some children show autistic regression after the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) immunisation. Dr Singh’s findings seem to confirm the results of a similar study published in the Lancet in 1998 by Dr. Andrew Wakefield and co-workers of the Royal Free Hospital in London, indicating a possible link between MMR vaccination, Crohn’s disease of the bowel, and autism.”
It’s one of those controversial personal call things. I remember Jenny Mcarthy saying her son’s autism developed after a vaccination.
Lol. I stay in love with the 90’s
@mstoogood4yall
Aaaah! Supermario!
The emergence of Breakdancing in the UK Hey you the rocksteady crew
The moonwalk – Jeffrey Daniels and then the Mowtown 25th anniversary where MJ did it to Billie Jean
Rubix cube – how easily baffled was I
Loved my luminous socks
Man, my vcr just broke down a few weeks back, after watching “Poetic Justice.” I’m gonna get a new one, while I’m quite happy to purchase DVD’s, I simply refuse to throw out all my videotapes. It’s like visual vinyl to me, I love the flawed quality.
I’ve got a lot of things recorded on vhs that you just can’t purchase. Rare music performances, Behind the music specials, hey does anyone remember Biorhythm?
on Thu Feb 6th 2014 at 00:19:55 Mbeti
I really like this post ,observations on time ,change and technology while not ignoring or overemphasizing social pathologies,
And many of the comments are quite excellent as well.
excellent comment,short but completely covers the topic.
@Adeen
I feel you ,young sister ;you have to do whats best for your peace of mind,
me most of the time I just ignore em sorta ignore the garbage and focus on the comments of worthy people.
@Kiwi re Ray Kurzweil,
of course no predictions about what really matters like an end or serious reduction in poverty ,illness and crime ,or maybe these things don’t concern wealthy white males who got most of their wealth from crime.
excellent observations.
when I first saw your username and response to my comment I thought – nutjob just ignore,
however this comment here of yours contains some profound and astute observations,even the very last part.
on Thu Feb 6th 2014 at 04:45:00 jefe
If I look back to Jan. 1984, by far the biggest impact is the personal computer. In Jan 1984, I didn’t know any families that had one at home. Offices just started to put one in. Many people had to share one, as they were learning to use DOS to operate one. Wordprocessing was just just moving off typewriters to diskettes and data entry onto punch cards and reel-to-reel tapes was just starting to phase out in 1984.
They were just starting to come out with digital rolodexes and address books, but it would still be a few years before they would be popular.
CDs were new. VHS had just become popular and people were learning how to record their programs off the TV.
People still weren’t using email yet and we were still using real carbon copies and post things in envelopes. But ATM machinese were already popular by 1984.
Ha-ha, the Terminator just came out.
on Thu Feb 6th 2014 at 07:36:34 grin and bear it
Diskettes! Remember those huge 5 1/4 diskettes that computers used? You’d have to put in one to boot your computer, then another one to actually run it. And if it had 64k memory, you had a powerhouse!
on Thu Feb 6th 2014 at 08:45:32 Pay it Forward
Hi, Legion,
Thank you for your comment, My response to it is on the Open Thread.
on Thu Feb 6th 2014 at 14:19:40 Brothawolf
1. There was a video game called Jumpman? I’ll have to research that.
2. On the cartoon Inspector Gadget, which I watched as a child, is Penny’s computer book the fictional prototype for the laptop or notebook?
3. Who still has VCRs in their homes? I still do. 🙂
4. Somewhere in my house, Coleco Vision and the original NES are collecting dust. Does anyone else have past generation game systems from years ago?
5. Computers seem a lot cheaper today than they were back then. Weren’t their costs in the thousands range?
on Thu Feb 6th 2014 at 15:40:54 thwack
Mbeti
Thats why I spend most of my time among the white people.
“A prophet is not without honor except in his own country,”
on Thu Feb 6th 2014 at 17:10:59 lkeke35
I started thinking on this topic when I saw an outdoor payphone last week. It was decrepit. Just sitting on the edge of some old parking lot. I remember thinking to myself that you couldn’t get me to put my mouth next to one of those things today. But back then we thought nothing about doing that.
We’re a lot more germ-phobic then 30 years ago. We wipe everything down now, like shopping carts and door handles. We never thought about stuff like that when I was a child. Now they have special wipes for the shopping carts in the stores.
There’s more and less variety to foods. There’s certainly more varieties of junk food ,including “healthy” snacks. Those didn’t exist 30 years ago.
30 years ago you used to have to carry everything separately. Now you have a music player, phone, and camera all in one gadget plus internet access too.
And people are less private. They go on the internet and post extremely private and sometimes thoroughly mundane information for anybody to look at and then comment on. 30 years ago when you took film and pictures of family events, you and your immediate family were the only ones who saw it. Now total strangers can give their opinion on private things you did. No one cared what crackers you were eating or what show you had just watched.
Now we can “stream” TV shows from any era, all at once and created a new word just for it ,”binging”.
actually, my brother had the commodore 64 too, forgot about that, and also my friend from school had one as well, we had apple ][+’s for the little kids in the computer lab in school, and commodore PET 8086’s for the upper schoolers, sheesh i couldn’t get away from computers even back in the day
who had an atari 2600?
@ikeke3 yeah everyone slathers their hands in disenfectant nowadays from touching an elevator button or even handling a piece of paper!
on Thu Feb 6th 2014 at 21:08:01 Bulanik
But most of the suits sold in 2013 were not slim fit suits by a long shot..
In the US, you mean? (I might have poorly understood the discussion you were having with Legion — let me know!)
The sharp suit, or blazer, the one that emphasizes shoulders and tapering form — no baggy trousers — is quite popular in Western Europe, to my eyes at least. I stare at men and their clothes and grooming a fair bit (!discreetly, discreetly!) and this slim or slimmish fit is everywhere, whether American cut, Italian cut, British cut, Spanish cut.
I believe there came a time when the “roomy” sweater and apple-shape blouson of the 1980s went and numbers of men seem to want a sleek suit — that thing of beauty and the mental armour that only a properly built and form-following — or at least “form-enhancing” — suit can gave them.
During the last 10 years or more Reiss, the meanswear chain seemed to hit a spot…because sexiness matters! Men seem to stand straighter in a suit, and look more authoritative.
Reiss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INMbc-RLMjQ)
The Spanish chain, Zara, always seems to put out far-reaching variations of sleek Galician tailoring: http://www.zara.com/ie/en/man/suits/blue-suit-c564559p1849501.html
(The details and variations are endless, but the masculine shape — a descendant of military uniform — doesn’t seem to change.)
Comment to King about suits in moderation.
I’d like to add that I rarely, if ever, see anyone wearing baggy tracksuits or shell suits anymore.
Piercing is much more common these days. It’s quite normal to see girls with rings and studs in various parts of their faces.
Tattoos are also now not unusual. They are now so standard I want to remove the ones I had done before it was popular — they just look “iffy” now! lol.
I remember, too, that people also used to wear huge spectacles.
Then, one day, I was mesmerized by the Germans and Dutch and Scandinavians who wore small, percisely cut, frameless glasses — suddenly being a 4-eyes was chic, and perhaps glasses were an accessory that those with 20/20 vision coveted!
These days glasses is another area of the fashion industry.
There are far more of these shops around than ever.
Yeah, that reminds me of the UK show “10 years younger.” Do you remember the presenter wore those fashionable glasses. All of a sudden they seemed to become a stylish thing to have.
Do you remember in the 90’s whenever someone had a pager, it meant they were “very important persons?” Lol. It’s funny, the things you remember.
What happened to The Filofax? lol.
*the very early 90’s rather.
Heeey, I still use a filofax.
on Fri Feb 7th 2014 at 00:00:06 Ebonymonroe
They reported on BBC news that hand sanitizer doesn’t work and can be worse than not using anything at all.
on Fri Feb 7th 2014 at 00:17:10 Bulanik
The Berlin Wall and Iron Curtain used to be up.
There was the Soviet Bloc.
Eastern Europe was somewhere else, there was the GDR and the DDR.
on Fri Feb 7th 2014 at 00:23:40 King
Knowing how dense some people can be, I’ve been convinced for quite a long while now that there are some wretched people out there using hand sanitizer in place of washing their hands. I just know that’s going on.
The worst is when someone sits in the stall next to you, and after finishing business, gets up, walks to the sink, looks in the mirror, and then FAILS TO WASH HIS HANDS! Then the bathroom pressure changes ever so slightly from the the door opening and closing as he walks right on out into the general office!!!!
I now memorize shoes in the stalls next to me. If “Mr. Wingtips” did not wash his hands, I can later identify exactly who the offending filth monger is, and steer clear of anything that he touches!
I think some people are disturbed at the though of touching taps and things in public bathrooms. I prefer to use a bottle of water, some shower gel from my hand bag and tissues to wash my hands in the street. Lol. (Followed by an antiaging hand cream with antioxidants and a high spf. And Gucci rush essential perfume oil on my wrists.)
I’m gonna get rid of my microwave and just reheat food on the stove soon. Radiation is a very real issue. It’s also important to turn off things like the TV when you’re not watching it. Have you read the maker’s diet, Legion?
I just saw “The lives of others” a few days ago. It was about the GDR; a group of artists living under the oppression of socialism. It was pretty good.
That was the one about the Stasi?
What do I miss from the 80s? Mr. T!
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJnKm6ftPu0)
Mutant Ninja Turtles, Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, Valley Girls who spoke Val speak. Ferris Bueller’s Day Off, The Breakfast Club, Pretty In Pink.
MTV, Cyndi Lauper, “Girls Just Want To Have Fun” Michael Jackson’s Thriller video with Ola Raye.
Flash Dance, and leg warmers and Jane Fonda workouts. Olive Newton John “Let’s Get Physical”
The royal wedding of Charles and Diana.
It seems we’ve come across similar information.
“Restoring Your Digestive Health” by Jordan S. Rubin exert, P.115
“In a microwave oven, the water molecules in food are vibrated forcefully. This creates friction between the molecules and heats the food from the inside out.com In the process, the molecules are deformed into radiolytic compounds. Cooking also creates the compounds, but on a smaller scale. In Switzerland, researchers conducted experiments to see what effects eating microwaved foods has on the blood.com They discovered a decrease in white blood cells and hemoglobin, the material that delivers oxygen to the body tissues. Until more is known about microwave cooking, we recommend cooking the conventional way.”
Yep, you’ve got it, that’s the movie.
The space shuttle “Challenger” explodes.
We are introduced to the Cosby show on NBC.
Vanessa Williams is the first black Miss America.
pagers/beepers
Leonardo, Donatello, Raphael, Michaelangelo, that always uttered the phrase “Cowabunga”
on Fri Feb 7th 2014 at 03:49:15 Sharina
LOL. When you said handwashing I like to died laughing. It reminds me of this particular bad habit that my daughter is now learning at school. Instead of having the kids wash their hands. They have decided that hand sanitizer is the alternative. It just kills me.
There was also the US hostages In Iran, John Lennon gets killed, Rubick’s cube and Pac Man game is very popular.
on Fri Feb 7th 2014 at 05:18:37 Paige
Hey, I was born on the eighth anniversary of the first Apple computer.
Oh, wait, I mean the first Macintosh.
on Fri Feb 7th 2014 at 08:17:18 karinova
Mmm, not sure I’d say there’s NO “Bladerunner future.”
We may not have flying cars and Turing-level androids, but we do have a lot of stuff that would seem like sci-fi to our 1984 selves, especially taken all together.
• Newspapers that update while you hold them in your hand, complete with photos that move and talk (iPad)—this is a *classic* Future trope, only a few ticks below flying cars!
• Video billboards, another classic. Also “smart” ads that sense your presence and maybe even your demographic (!) and deliver customized content.
• a fricken SPACE STATION. I repeat: we built a large, permanent, habitable artificial satellite. It’s just up there, chillin. In space. People go live in it sometimes.
• A global pandemic with a 50% historical death rate, for which we have no cure. (HIV/AIDS. Which retro-you has never heard of, btw: it was first ID’d in 1984… but not until April!) This one’s a classic *dystopian* Future trope.
• Way more urbanites. Back then about a third of the world’s population lived in cities; now it’s more than half. That’s a 50% increase.
• More visible war. Media coverage is much more close-up than it was then, and with 24hr cable news, it’s MUCH more saturated. War is actually probably the same or less, but retro-you might think it was World War III at first.
• Video cameras everyfreakinwhere— as surveillance (dystopianFuture) and as consumer tech (shinyFuture)
• An active probe on the planet Mars, with a deployment sequence straight out of a movie.
• Crystal clear videophones— that fit in your pocket.
• Small noiseless electric cars everywhere.
• Cars that can park themselves.
• Thought-activated prosthetics.
• Voice-activated electronics at the consumer level; eg, you can tell your house to turn on some music and run you a bath.
• Lasers, y’all. Cheap and all over the place: in DVD players, in $5 laser pointers, in Kinkos to cut out your stickers, in salons so you don’t have to shave your hoo.
• Tech so advanced you can do heart surgery on a patient in another country. With lasers.
And maybe the most disorienting thing to a time-traveler: we’re not amazed by any of it! We’re like, *annoyed* when our handheld GPS-enabled videophones can’t direct us to the nearest wifi hotspot fast enough. Stupid phone. It’s been like, *seconds* already, wtf.
I’m just saying, even without flying cars I think 1984-Aba would be like
: U
on Fri Feb 7th 2014 at 09:52:38 abagond
@ Karinova
Many of those things do not affect daily life. I tried to leave out anything I would only know about by reading the news or looking up statistics. So no Mars rovers, space stations or even voice-activated houses (no one I know lives in one). I do not know anyone who has a videophone or thought-activated prosthetics. Etc.
I left off Aids for the same reason. Sure, I would be shocked and horrified to find out that over 30 million people died of it in the past 30 years. BUT no one I knew in 1984 died of Aids. It is not like it wiped out half my family or something.
@ Mosh
“nobody thought America would have a Black President thirty years later, nobody expected a Pope from the Americas.”
In the 1970s there was a novel about an American pope. In 1972 there was a film starring James Earl Jones about a black American president – “The Man”. In 1963, Robert Kennedy said there would be a black president in 40 years – by 2003.
@ Daniel Bryant
“plus violent crime is way down— WAY down. “
Ah, but in the post I did not live through the Crack Era so it does not seem that way to me.
Jumpman was a Commodore 64 game.
I still have a VCR!
Computers are cheaper. The Macintosh in 1984 was listed at $1950. That is $4400 in today’s money. The Commodore 64 was $650, if I remember correctly. That comes to $1450 now. And that does not even take into account the fact that the Mac had only 128K of memory and the Commodore 64 had 64K.
Do it your self check out in the grocery store. Self serve at the gas pump.
@ grin and bear it
I remember that! And thought it was so cool. Because back then computers were not everywhere.
Self-check out! That belongs on the list.
Something else I saw in 1984 that I never see any more: black-and-white televisions!
Robotic limbs and prosthetics for soldiers who were wounded in combat or people who have suffered some unfortunate accident where they lost limbs.
@ Ikeke35
Something I wonder about is does the food taste different? Like they put sugar in spaghetti sauce now. Would you notice that?
I remember the first time I saw a picture of someone’s dog on the Internet. I was so thrilled. And amazed. That was back when I still kept bookmarks and emailed them to my friends. The last time I got a thrill like that was in 2006 when someone in Singapore blogged their lunch.
Yeah, TV binge watching – that’s new. So are those hand disinfectant things.
Oh yes: tattoos are WAY more common now.
Reality Television, I never thought quality prime time television would be the replaced with this garbage. Pandora and ITunes, Regular radio is in the toilet. Downloading music.
You are most certainly not alone. I really am shocked how quality tv has become crap. Even movies today are mainly based off comic books or books. The original and creative aspect is gone.
For me it is funny because I have to laugh to keep from crying or getting angry. I found out last year that the rooms that have attached bathrooms do not actually have sinks just the toilet. So I have to stay on her constantly about washing her hands as school has allowed her to believe that hand sanitizer fixes it all.
Now I naively thought that everyone washed their hands. I got a rude awakening on several occasions of witnessing otherwise in restaurants, but the biggest impact turned out to be when a female stopped me and said “don’t open the door with your hands use a paper towel.” She explained that people who don’t wash their hands leave their germs on the door and you touch it and then carry it with you.
on Fri Feb 7th 2014 at 14:39:19 buddhuu
Excellent, I’m not the only person who avoids touching public bathroom door handles! 🙂
Television: Everyone has cable television.
I’m not sure of this.
I’ve encountered more people who are “bored” or feel “dumbed down” by too much television (reality shows, celebrity culture, etc.) than years ago, and don’t use the television like a background “wallpaper” to their lives. There’s more tv than 30 years ago, but perhaps people are less sucked in by it?
Architecture has changed in ways that couldn’t be predicted.
Firstly, because building materials have changed — for instance, in the 1980s ago a house’s glass window came as single glazed or double-glazed, maybe even triple-glazed. Now glass can be self-clearning, or heat-emitting because of Krypton, or Argon, gas. Krypton cuts out the need for other forms of heating.
Glass is tougher and it can be folded and fall flush with walls.
It can even be the wall, the door, the ceiling.
There are therefore more glass-encased “outdoor rooms” than before:
Secondly, something obvious but more subtle: digital media has changed architecture.
There was a time in the 1980s when architectural drawings and models was the only way to see and experience the look and feel of a building.
But, you simply can’t tell beforehand how something big, like sunlight and shadow, will play and change with the shape of a building inside, for instance.
A model or a drawin will still necessary, but digital technology allows a designer to “experience” the building before it is created. It’s more than 3D, it’s interactive, and breaks down the barrier about what can be designed and what can, or should, be built.
The architect of this building could not have achieved the end result if he had not used digital technology to break down that barrier:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQhS7PltK_o)
Frank Gehry explaining how software impacts on building construction:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7n0XVg7nrw)
Entertainment, in general, has been blind-sided by the rise of the internet. Music and film has suffered tremendously. TV seems to be overtaking cinema now, though. The wire, The Sopranos, S-x and the city, Game of thrones, Mad men, Boardwalk empire. These are big budget quality productions that (once upon a time) would have been limited to the big screen.
Ebonymonroe said:
Entertainment has certainly been transformed by the Internet. In some ways for the better. Independent artist can now publish their own work in their chosen medium directly to their audience. Musicians, film makers, writers can all bypass the conservative filter of commercial publishers, distributors and record companies. More adventurous work proliferates.
Of course, the downside is that that quality control is unreliable. Fortunately, the online equivalent of word-of-mouth recommendation and review helps.
I have a strong dislike for most television and most contemporary mainstream cinema.
As a writer I rejoice in the growth of indie publishing. I’m even happy to tolerate the tsunami of junk material. That will fade away and the quality output will endure.
*film have suffered
I absolutely agree. I think people are still getting used to the word of mouth route. Young adults, like myself, are in many ways still used to being lazy and spoon fed music, as we’re not of the vinyl (spend a day at the record store digging out, listening to, and then purchasing your chosen selection) era. There’s been a gap of adjustment time.
Huuuh! Are you telling me you’re not a Mad men, Game of thrones, or Boardwalk empire fan? How could you? I’ve simply never heard of such a thing. Well I neva! Lol
I like how the internet has introduced me to Swedish and Danish crime and politics dramas. Eg:
Wallander. The Killing. The Bridge. Borgen.
Also the French crime thriller, “Engrenages”(Spiral).
What I like about it is that none of it is sensationalistic, but none of it is predictable.
All of them feature troubled people dealing with trouble. Women are centre-stage, but they don’t play “women”, they just struggle with life and work and family. All well filmed, not too much dialogue, adult, dark and complex but easy to understand. And funny! Just replay!
Before this, you could only find something as satisfying in “World Cinema”, if at all.
[…]Huuuh! Are you telling me you’re not a Mad men, Game of thrones, or Boardwalk empire fan? How could you? I’ve simply never heard of such a thing. Well I neva! Lol
LOL, Well, I think the last thing I watched consistently on TV was probably the first series of ‘The Killing’ in Danish, which I thought was very good. I watched a couple of episodes of the American remake out of curiosity and hated it.
{ Aside: why does the USA have to remake these things in American English? Would US audiences really not watch if they had to read subtitles? It seems from a UK perspective that a huge proportion of TV shows imported into the USA get remade – often despite being in English to begin with. Seems a bit insulting/patronising to the American audience to imply that they can’t handle anything that hasn’t been sanitised and Americanised for them. }
Good drama is, in the UK, struggling to be seen amongst superficial, contrived, dumbed-down reality shows. Lazy people are making lazy TV for other lazy people.
I sometimes take some notice of stuff my wife watches, but mostly I prefer to read, write or play music.
One change for which I am very grateful is the amount of music tuition available for free on the internet. If that had been available when I started to play guitar in 1971, I’d be much a much better musician than I am now. It is no wonder there are so many great young musicians about.
In fact, as an educational tool in many fields, the internet is terrific. Not perfect, but still amazing.
Very true, you can y0u()be anything and find a tutorial, no matter what it is.
@Ebonymonroe:
And not just education from tutorials. I include sites like this one.
on Fri Feb 7th 2014 at 21:56:37 solesearch
buddhuu,
especially with colleges providing courses for free online.
….I think the last thing I watched consistently on TV was probably the first series of ‘The Killing’ in Danish, which I thought was very good. I watched a couple of episodes of the American remake out of curiosity and hated it.
buddhuu, did you see Season 3 of the American version of this series?
This one does not imitate the original at all. In this series, the detectives work on a case of a missing teenager, and the deaths of “tough” street kids.
It moves slow, and colourlessly. Hilarious and horrifying.
All I can say is that this series turned out to be not only compulsive and viewing, but unbearably heartbreaking.
Not only very good, but simply fantastic, television.
(Better than “Breaking Bad, imo.)
“I’ve encountered more people who are “bored” or feel “dumbed down” by too much television (reality shows, celebrity culture, etc.) than years ago, and don’t use the television like a background “wallpaper” to their lives. There’s more tv than 30 years ago, but perhaps people are less sucked in by it?”—-Absolutely amazing observation and one that I have found to be very true. We have several Tv shows, but very few of them are even worth looking at.
on Fri Feb 7th 2014 at 23:18:47 mstoogood4yall
I don’t touch the bathroom doors either I use a paper towel, but more bathrooms are getting rid of paper towels and having hand dryers which I’ve heard are not sanitary. People that don’t wash their hands are nasty, and they touch the door so that is why I either use my shirt or a paper towel to open the door.
There’s an app for everything and anything today. In an effort to reduce congestion a district in London began installing parking sensors so drivers can use tan app to find empty parking spots. There is even an app to tell drivers where bad neighborhoods are so they can avoid being victims of criminal activity, that sounds kind of racist to me, but technology is starting to become fascinating to me.
on Sat Feb 8th 2014 at 00:03:55 mary burrell
Youtube hits can make a random nobody into an instant celebrity with so many hits. It doesn’t matter if a certain music artist or any celebrity has any talent, if they have enough “Twitter followers. Celebrities are now considered something called a Brand.
“We Are The World” Do they still have songs where all the celebrities get together to aid some world disaster like famine, or some natural disaster?
on Sat Feb 8th 2014 at 00:17:12 Bulanik
What an insight!
Fame used to be something that was for the few and in-between. A famous person used to be an exceptional person. You had to actually do something or be something special to get fame. Now there are people who are famous for being “famous”.
on Sat Feb 8th 2014 at 01:02:24 buddhuu
@ Sharina and Bulanik:
Yes indeed – that’s the thing: if you can find good stuff then watch it… But WTF is most of the remaining rubbish about? Why do people not demand more substance?
You are, of course, quite right. But YouTube also gives us some artists who display real talent – or, at least, real integrity. There’s a young man in the UK who goes by the name NxtGen or MC NxtGen: he’s not the most talented rapper in the world, but he is polically aware, determined and he totally gives a sh|t about UK politics. Even if his views did not agree with mine, I would respect him for the obvious sincerity and passion in his work.
@ mstoogood4yall
Did you write this or did I? Looks like something straight out of my mind! LOL.
Never mind the hearth… Home is where one’s own bathroom is.
on Sat Feb 8th 2014 at 01:17:38 wordynerdygirl
I might be looking at the past with rose tinted glasses but I remember having a lot more freedom as a child in the late 80s/early 90s compared with the kids today.
I remember catching public transport, cycling and just playing games with my friends without any supervision at all. This was the case in Australia and also in Singapore when we lived there for a few years. Mum would tell me to ‘Be careful’ and then let me go off exploring for hours.
My youngest sister is still a kid and she’s not allowed to play outside unsupervised because my parents are so afraid of predators. Her childhood seems to be a lot more restricted and less free than mine. She spends a lot more time playing with electronic devices and a lot less time playing imaginary games and socialising with other children.
So true, wordy.
I don’t think youngsters of today walk, run, exercise, or explore the natural world and hang out in the fresh air as much as the generation before them.
Partly for the reason you give, and partly because there seem to be far, far more cars than before. Why walk when you can sit?
I have heard 8 and 9 year olds say they are “too tired” to walk to the shop with their parents!
Oh you’re absolutely right – every family seems to have about two cars these days.
It’s a vicious cycle – because there are too many cars on the road, Governments build bigger roads to ease traffic, and then there’s not enough money to invest in quality public transport like trains/trams etc which would actually get cars of the roads in the first place!
I also think the whole fear of predators/crime thing is driven by the media. In Sydney (Australia) crime rates have actually dropped significantly since the 80s – but you wouldn’t think this if you watched the news every night. Almost every leading story is designed to give the impression that there’s a law and order crisis when we’re actually safer than ever before!
This is probably a bit of a conspiracy theory but really, TV producers have a vested interest in keeping us indoors consuming their garbage.
*off the roads.
Automated voice systems to pay your bills (i.e.) electric, phone etc. I hate them, you still need a human to keep things straight and machines always malfunction.
@ wordynerdy
Consuming their garbage, keeping their sponsors in business, justifying their salaries — and feeding the paranoia about paedophilia.
There was a time I think a child’s family or guardian could be more affectionate, but I think more people are self-conscious about if it is “appropriate” now, even when it’s their own child, or grandchild, etc.
This seems more so for male parents, teachers, etc., although women aren’t excluded from this. Adults have to take care when speaking to children they don’t know, even. Because that means that adult could be a weirdo for doing so. No playing with kids. No watching, and no taking of photos of them.
That has become “suspicious” conduct.
The 1980’s those ugly cabbage patch dolls.
…because there are too many cars on the road, Governments build bigger roads to ease traffic, and then there’s not enough money to invest in quality public transport like trains/trams etc which would actually get cars of the roads in the first place!
This vicious cycle is an inter-connected system. Keeping cars on the road and the oil industry going…like the acrylic acid, propylene glycol and alchohol (isopropyl) in hand sanitizers: petro-chemicals that are necessary to make this unnecessary product.
on Sat Feb 8th 2014 at 11:46:59 jefe
^ Yes, it saddens me to read that Los Angeles had the largest rail network in the world until the 1940s-50s. And although it indirectly created pollution, it was not at street level where people walked and breathed. What replaced it was a complete mess.
The US was not the only place that made this decision. I am also saddened by Malaysia. The government pushed the development of the local car industry and none of the major cities have a decent transportation system and there is still no efficient fast ground transportation between cities. You can easily look at Singapore to gauge what a different transportation policy would have produced.
Oh yeah – vested interests are definitely at play.
It’s the same deal in Sydney, although I think a lot of the motivation here has been the Australian car manufacturing industry.
Now that car manufacturing has basically died in Australia (Ford/Holden are both pulling out of Aus entirely) maybe things will change. Although the road logistics (trucking) industry is still really influential so I won’t be holding my breath!
Are there any cities in the US with really good public transport infrastructure? I wonder if any have gone the other way since the 80s – i.e. from being full of cars to being a city of trains and trams.
I hear you re: the whole paranoia about normal friendly interactions. I remember a really lovely old man that lived next door to us for a little while in the late 80s. He was a really kind soul and used to give me cookies and tell me stories about his own granddaughter. Nowadays I think people would find it very suspicious if an unrelated man were to talk to a little girl.
There was an incident at a beach in Sydney recently where a man was questioned by police for taking photos of his daughter building sandcastles. Obviously child protection has to come first but I think it’s terrible if fathers, mothers, uncles etc can’t even interact normally with their own children in public.
on Sat Feb 8th 2014 at 16:51:42 King
I think the thing with cars vs public transportation is a long and complicated history. From my viewpoint under the shadow of Los Angeles, it becomes mrs clear.
LA once had one of the best ad most widespread light rail transportation system in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Electric
LA also has the most complex (and congested) freeway system in the world, and is the the hoe of the first freeway. The two systems existed in tandem for many decades, and worked in compliment one to the other. Both have their niche but eventually cars became predominant in LA because of the great distances. Unlike New York, LA had the space to sprawl, and so spread out accordingly rather than stacking up. It just became impractical to be able to build and maintain trains to everywhere! Cars were cheaper, and easier.
The problem was that, in a place like Southern California, more and more people wanted to move to the warm, mild, climate of the southern Pacific Coast. And the roads became more and more congested. Meanwhile the powers that be allowed light rail system to fall into disrepair (not planning for the future). So now in LA, we’re scrambling to rebuild a mass transportation system again.
THIS is my worry about mass transportation. When TPTB begin talking about driving an individual car like it’s some sort of sin against Gaia, and seem to be directing more and more average people away from individualized travel freedoms, it begins to look more and more like a detour to disaster.
In 2014 I can go outside, get in my car, go to my bank, get some cash, and without telling a soul, I can drive my car to many places in the U.S. and nobody will even know where I’ve gone. But in the cattle chute that is modern mass transit, I am issued a ‘Tap Card’ (which is linked directly to me) that I am required to use on the Metro. Every time I use the train, it is recorded, in fact all of my trips can be brought up on the computer within an instant. Every single place that I go is forever pubic record.
Raise your hand if you think they is good idea?
Raise your hand agin if you think this really about “the environment?”
on Sat Feb 8th 2014 at 18:47:02 Michael Jon Barker
@ King. I live in L.A. and have learned how to travel around based on what I know about the traffic patterns. California has a car culture.
Some freeways like the 405 and the 10 always have heavy traffic. What LA is doing is taking the car pool lanes and turning them into Fast Track lanes where you pay to drive on them. I have a responder in my car and it charges me when I use those lanes. That can be used to track me as well.
We have some light rail and it could be improved by building lines to LAX or the beach.
Californian’s voted for high speed rail to connect LA to San Francisco but it turns out that it’s not really high speed rail. The problem is because it not high speed it will take forever to get their so it’s likely people will fly instead. So were going to spend billions building something that people aren’t going to use enough to pay for itself..It was sold as progressive and good for the environment but it seems more likely it’s intended to create jobs for politically connected corporations.
It is hard to drive anywhere and not be tracked. Their are cameras set up along freeways that take pictures of license plates all day long. Cameras in public and private business are common. Your cell phone can be used to locate you. Every scan from a credit or debit card leaves a trail.
George Orwell described a world where the government tracks your every move. We are way beyond anything that he ever imagined. Every social media post you ever made can be used if the government wanted to build a case against you.
It’s not only cameras and cards that track.
Some of this happens in outter space, from satellites.
It could be the navigation system (GPS) that you may have installed in your car to help you find your way.
What LA is doing is taking the car pool lanes and turning them into Fast Track lanes where you pay to drive on them.”
@ Michael Jon Barker
I refuse to buy a Fast Track transponder! These roads were already built using TAX money! I’m not going to pay for them again and again! It’s just a way for the rich to get around while the poor spend hours in traffic. Mark my words, supply and demand will eventually raise the rates until you will no longer be able to afford it. Only the elite will have access to those lane$.
Californian’s voted for high speed rail to connect LA to San Francisco but it turns out that it’s not really high speed rail. The problem is because it not high speed it will take forever to get their so it’s likely people will fly instead.
Everybody know that project will never work. It’s just a way for money to exchange hands for a while. I doubt if it will ever be finished. It’s just a financial channel being used (politically_ in the short term.
It is hard to drive anywhere and not be tracked. Their are cameras set up along freeways that take pictures of license plates all day long.”
Yes, but not mine
http://www.ontrackcorp.com/original-protector.cfm?id=03
It could be the navigation system (GPS)”
True, which is why I won’t buy a car with the nav. built in. I’m just fine with one that I can take with me when I want to, and leave behind when I think it prudent.
Even the smart phone (who’s battery now conveniently cannot be removed) has it’s receptacle.
http://www.biodex.com/nuclear-medicine/products/syringe-vial-shields/sharps-container-shields/sharps-container-shield
It was a little expensive, (on ebay) but quite impenetrable to cell towers and radio waves. Oh, I’m afraid, that can’t be tracked either. It’s not that I even have anywhere so “secret” to go. I just don’t like the idea of accepting this matter-of-fact universal tracking as if it’s somehow normal and acceptable. People have the RIGHT to privacy.
I just want to be able to be private, if I ever have to be.
King, so you put those devices in the sharps can.
What is the material that makes it impenetrable to tracking?
And, yes, people HAVE THE RIGHT to privacy.
It’s not a question of “secrecy”. What happened to concept of privacy in the last while with all this technology?
” It’s just a way for the rich to get around while the poor spend hours in traffic.”
That’s true. And it has made traffic worse which means more emissions into the environment.
“People have the RIGHT to privacy” .
I thought it was all about keeping us safe. lol
I admire your willingness to take the necessary steps to insure your privacy.
It’s lined with lead to prevent radiation from leaking out. (or in this case in) it’s made for the syringes that are contaminated with low-energy gamma and beta radiation. I tested by phone inside of the container and it get no bars.
The shield is constructed of steel lined with .125″ (.32 cm) lead and .0625″ (1.6 cm) aluminum.
I actually tried to find a lead pig but I would have to get a custom one made for it to be the right size to fit my phone. I happened upon the radiological waste/transport container on Ebay by luck. I know It’s a bit bulky though. I think in the end I’ll just have a pig made to my specifications.
It’s seems like the most practical thing.
I wonder whether simple microwaving is enough to neutralize small, non metallic items, like a passport?
RFIDs (radio frequency identification) devices are more prevalent now than before, and many of them are no bigger than a grain of rice.
They can be present unseen and where least expected.
Yes, I agree. I hear that they are in some denominations of money. The best I can do is put all suspect items behind the lead shield.
But much depends on if you are being actively surveilled, or passively surveilled. I’m sure if you have people truly tracking YOU specifically, then you cannot escape being tracked, and that is good. I’m perfectly happy that some people are not left to roam around to secretly do whatever they want. But those people are suspects, operatives, of persons of interest.
It’s the passive surveilled that I’m trying to defeat. The kind where they just stack up information on everybody so that if they ever feel they need to look at any one individual closely ,then they suddenly have every detail of your life in front of them. That is unwarranted. If we have not done anything to warrant surveilled, then we should not be spied upon “just in case.”
However, that kind of blanket surveilled is less rigorous and less defined than in the case of the active agent looking over your shoulder because you are deemed a clear and present threat to security. So transponders, listening devices, etc, can be used (particularly if you crossing international borders. But I think within your own country, you should have the right to move about freely without being “recorded” for some future court case or set-up.
But I think within your own country, you should have the right to move about freely without being “recorded” for some future court case or set-up.
Yes, King, especially if one lives in a small country, especially one with a history of occupation and security breaches — as a foreigner.
In fact, I used to care little and I paid little mind to how much information was shared among institutions about EVERYONE. It took awhile to realize WHY many people guarded their privacy so fiercely from each other, and only then begun to actually see the exclusions and moniroring reserved for non-nationals. You realize then how vulnerable you are, and how invasive these measures are…
http://www.iccl.ie/surveillance-2.html
on Mon Feb 10th 2014 at 07:13:55 Matari
“The kind where they just stack up information on everybody so that if they ever feel they need to look at any one individual closely ,then they suddenly have every detail of your life in front of them. That is unwarranted. If we have not done anything to warrant surveilled, then we should not be spied upon “just in case.”
I agree. We live in a bonafide police state.
However, much of this spying is also being done for corporate interests. Consumer markets such as advertising, banking and the health insurance industry are all invested in the surveillance industries as much as they are legally able – to acquire data on individual (and groups of) consumers in order to increase their control AND corporate earnings. New technologies (tools) are ALWAYS exploited by those with the most money and power to do so.
These laws//rules/regulations BENEFIT the corporations way more than they do the people. That’s what we get for living in the most free country in the world! LOL The freedom — THEY HAVE — to do whatever (often oppressive things) they want to do to us, as long as it’s profitable for them.
on Mon Feb 10th 2014 at 12:58:30 Bulanik
King, Matari, MJB
We live in a bonafide police state.
Yes. We are.
Perhaps I’ve been mincing my words. Maybe I should’ve said earlier we’re living in the time of the PANOPTICON. http://cartome.org/panopticon1.htm
The surveillance that has penetrated our lives are the building blocks of dictatorship. No exaggeration.
East Germany was mentioned earlier, a country where everyone spied on each other, lived under suspicion, lived under a warning and where everyone was potentially “suspicious”. That was socialism, supposedly The System which makes people live under discipline and punishment.
Fast forward to capitalist places, where capitalism is crumbling.
There are always decent people who have nothing to hide. But all of us have our voting habits, thoughts and activities followed, tracked and stored.
For what? our safety and well-being and happiness?
As if we should TRUST our governments for all of such!
The Germans I know DO NOT trust their government and they have every right not to. They know that given half the chance, EVERY place they enter will have face recognition, EVERY movement they make will be tracked, and EVERY object they own or buy or touch will have “a digital layer”, because everywhere, all the time, the “state Trojan” will be inserting itself, watching, listening and keeping it in a dossier….just waiting for a day when the citizen can be hurt with it.
Government Spyware used in Germany:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online-Durchsuchung
Like a person’s identity can’t be stolen…mistakes made, lies told?
Identity theft didn’t happen to me, but it happened to someone very close to me. When that happens, it can, and does, takes a long time to have identity restored.
In fact, I mince my words when I say that in the meanwhile, it was hell.
It can happen to anyone and it doesn’t ever, EVER, go fully away.
“Dissendent” or “Muslim”, for example, are not trigger words like:
*terrorist”,
*hacker* or
*child pornography*,
If a person has the misfortune to be merely indirectly or accidently associated with these words, then, Adios!
ANYONE’s civil liberties will be thrown under the bus.
It doesn’t matter if the person in question has nothing to do with any of that.
They can be violated all the same. Punishment is just around the corner.
A documentary about our disappearing privacy. Well worth the hour to watch.
In Dutch with English subtitles:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUyB0Tsj6jE)
@ Abagond, please delete the first of my last 2 comments in moderation.
as far as i know, the silver static bags you get the actual EZ-PASS in, or for example a hard drive or some other electronic component will block the signal for toll road transponder devices, i assume it would work for a cell phone
FWIW, everybody knows everything, theoretically you could root an android to disable the gps, but that would be recompiling the whole phone’s operating system, i am sure someone has thought of this before
on Mon Feb 10th 2014 at 16:55:26 buddhuu
@ Bulanik: ^^ Excellent post.
I share the concerns voiced by you, King and Matari.
It is the same here in the UK. Surveillance increases, legal restrictions on liberty increase, protections against abuse of power by government and by law enforcement and intelligence agencies gradually disappear.
The apathy of most people is almost understandable. When one shakes off the blinkers and looks around it’s a pretty scary landscape.
on Tue Feb 11th 2014 at 12:35:04 Bulanik
@ buddhuu, thanks.
I know the UK a bit, though I’ve lived for somewhile in the ROI.
You didn’t actually say this, but I’m not sure if I agree that apathy as always understandable.. Some say apathy comes out of sheer laziness.
I don’t think it’s all laziness, though.
Is apathy a response to too much stimulation / stress? Is it because people are overwhelmed by too much information and stimulation? I agree it’s easy to feel “excluded” in today’s over-surveilled world, but apathy always leads to bigger problems in my experience.
Remember hearing that during genocides, communal violence and so on, that there were different kinds of people? They were:
the Perpetrator,
the Victim,
the Healer, and,
the Bystander.
I’m putting things oversimplistically, of course, but — the Bystanders were the ones who didn’t care and let the worst happen.
Perhaps fear is the reason behind apathy .
http://www.eyesonbullying.org/bystander.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/signe-whitson/six-reasons-why-bystander_b_4295181.html
on Tue Feb 11th 2014 at 13:18:21 buddhuu
Exactly. It’s the ostrich response. Bury one’s head in the sand. What I don’t know won’t hurt me.
Understandable, but playing right into the hands of those who curtail our rights.
King has been bringing out the wider implications of today’s technology on Foreign Policy and wars:
For instance, here, in creating a “cattle” population:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/obama-cries-for-white-children/#comment-202447
More recently this:
Bulanik, thanks very much for the steers to those threads. I’ll go catch up. 🙂
This is the kind of thing that fires me up. My blog complains about the apathy that reigns despite the astonishing abuses that go on around us, and at the same time my FB friends think I’m eccentric because I rant.
@wordynerdygirl
2 cities steadfastly opposed building interstate highways through their downtowns in the 60s-70s: Washington, DC and San Francisco. In order to pass through either of those 2 cities, you must either go completely around them, or travel on city streets to pass through them. They elected to divert their transportation money away from highways and into mass rail transit (hence BART and METRO). SF still has street cars and cable cars and allows people to take bicycles on their CALtrain. DC now has the 2nd busiest mass transit system in the USA, trailing only New York City. Its population doubles on weekdays, and that would not be possible without mass transit. Larger metro areas like Chicago, LA, Dallas, HOuston, Philadelphia, etc. do not come close. They also have a large bike rental system and have been rebuilding a streetcar system (the original one was dismantled in 1962).
Boston has always been a relatively transit oriented city (by US standards) given its compact downtown and high student population. But it discovered the interstate highway built in the early 70s that spliced their downtown was a grave mistake. It cutoff downtown from the harbour and waterfront. They tore it down about 10 years ago and resurfaced with streets and parks.
Sorry I got really busy at work.
Agreed, but just so as not to insult those who are living more oppressive stages of police states around the world, we should stipulate that we are living in the beginnings of a surveillance state, which is precursor to a more oppressive full police state. But one leads inexorably to the other like fire leads to ashes.
However, much of this spying is also being done for corporate interests. Consumer markets such as advertising, banking and the health insurance industry are all invested in the surveillance industries…”
Do you believe that the corporations and the government are truly different things?
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/google-buys-major-military-robot-maker-why-does-search-giant-2D11744237
I am beginning to fear that they are not.
on Fri Feb 14th 2014 at 03:49:16 Adeen
Nothing much has changed for Black people in this wicked country. We had our rights won by the 1980s from the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s and 1970s. The only difference for Blacks in the 2010s is that there is technology for us to use such as IPADs, IPhones, cell phones and laptops.
Economically, socially and politically, we still lag behind our White counterparts. Blacks still go to segregated school from White kids, really I am not lying. My friend to me that she read in Ebony magazine that 74% of Black children still go to schools in inner cities with less funding than White schools. Only 12% of Black eight grade boys read on their grade levels. Black unemployment is 13% compared to the national average of about 7%-8%. We still suffer from housing discrimination, racial profiling and racial stereotypes. I can go on and on about this but I have to go to bed.
Nothing much as changed for my people, nothing much.
on Sun Feb 16th 2014 at 05:04:54 Legion
@ King, Ks
Slim done right. We can’t see the (full) silhouette of the jacket but it would be in proportion to the pants, of course. The tie is too broad, I think. It is already loud yellow, no need to make it broad too. He is not wearing a belt, which I usually think of us as improper, but beltless seems okay in this example.
Lastly, he should rock a beard.
http://blog.trashness.com/grey-suit-yellow-tie-navy-tassels
^ also, this man is a slim guy. he’s making himself appear slimmer with that broad tie –no good, no good–
on Sun Feb 16th 2014 at 13:29:04 Bulanik
The look works because the gentleman, 1) wears it with elan, and, 2) his complexion is beautiful against the grey and the brights.
Lustrous grey against bronze skin is always elegant.
I am not sure if the suit is right for his body type, though.
I think the tie could be slimmer or the structure of the UPPER part of the suit broader. One or the other.
The jacket looks like an English “hacking” jacket — 2 flapped pockets on the right, cut on the diagonal. This suit has sharper label peaks than most of those though, and therefore sleeker. I wonder how the jacket would look if the shoulders had been bigger but just as slim on the torso and waist?
The trousers shouldn’t be cuffed on a man who is not particularly tall.
I feel the illusion of height has been lost with this look.
Wondering, too, if 4 patterns work in such close proximity – kerchief, label, shirt, tie? I think the limit of 3 different patterns is the cut off before it gets too busy. Mixing 3 patterns is good but it’s a question of scale and pattern size.
A beard on this gent would be a thing of beauty.
No need for the tie pin.
Hacking jacket:
Shredding machines and shredding services to dispose of papers with personal information. People dumpster diving into trash recepticles and commiting Identification theft.
GPS systems to help navigate while driving or walking. In health care, Non invasive laser and robotic surgery. Lithotripsy, laparoscopy. We now have DNA testing to use in cases of sexual assault. There are test in paternity cases.
ATM to get access to quick cash. Bar Codes in supermarkets.
Genetically modified foods. Bio fuels.
on Sun Feb 16th 2014 at 15:41:24 v8driver
Legion — typo. When I said “label”, I really meant to type lapel.
Bariatric surgeries for obesity. The weight loss industry is huge.
How people socialize, there is a ton of social dating sites. This is also a huge business.
@ mary…stuff like on-line dating. Unheard of before.
on Tue Feb 18th 2014 at 00:25:11 Legion
2)his complexion is beautiful against the grey and the brights.
Hmm, I hadn’t thought of that cherie. All of a sudden, I feel I am in urgent need of a grey suit. 🙂
• Yes, fuller in the shoulders is a good idea for him. He looks vertical with little shape.
• The more I look the more I see that tie as needing a counter balance, in terms of colour and it’s broadness. Possible solution: Bluer shoes. Shoes that are very noticiably blue. It could be carried off because the tie is so richly golden. (Narrower tie, already mentioned.)
• The trousers shouldn’t be cuffed on a man who is not particularly tall.
Yes, you’re right. What minimum height, do you think, is tall enough to pull off cuffs?
I usually think about cuffs in relation to how heavy (or not) the foot wear will be.
Heavy footwear, yes to cuffs. Light footwear, no to cuffs.
• Wondering, too, if 4 patterns work in such close proximity – kerchief, label, shirt, tie?
I’d lose the pocket square, it seems distracting. The lapel pin is very cool–Bumble bee? Moth?
*noticeably
ATM to get access to quick cash.
Gold vending machines, hahaha …
on Wed Feb 19th 2014 at 04:28:17 King
Slim done right.”
Yes, MUCH better! (but I must object to no socks!!!!!!!!!!)
Denzel’s is more my style, with the double
But if you want to go slim, I say Kobe does a good job of it in his GQ spread.
on Wed Feb 19th 2014 at 04:57:34 Legion
but I must object to no socks!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, some things were done with this look that are just gimmicky, the no socks was one of them. Maybe if the suit were linen, one could get away with no socks, but it ain’t linen …
The double breast has been amazingly restated. I think it was a year ago that I saw it make it’s “comeback” and yeah Denzel was one of the first models that I saw in it. He did look very good. The double breast is still very risky; the jacket must be cut just right so that somehow it still looks cool and not cheesy. Those waifish kids on the runway can’t carry off a DB. I’ve noticed that the designers always model the DB on men who look like MEN!
The double breast has been amazingly restated. I think it was a year ago that I saw it make it’s “comeback” and yeah Denzel was one of the first models that I saw in it. He did look very good. The double breast is still very risky; the jacket must be cut just right so that somehow it still looks cool and not cheesy.”
Those waifish kids on the runway can’t carry off a DB
Well, I’m not at all sure that we approve of male waifs, do we?
Of course not. What did we just say about the iron?! 🙂 *
* Open thread reference for those who are not following my drift.
on Sat Feb 22nd 2014 at 15:04:57 Bulanik
Re this gentleman’s suit: http://blog.trashness.com/grey-suit-yellow-tie-navy-tassels
Possible solution: Bluer shoes. Shoes that are very noticiably blue. It could be carried off because the tie is so richly golden. (Narrower tie, already mentioned.)
Midnight blue shoes would be a good, safe choice, but imo, a mid-tan shoe might be better (for contrast with the grey suit and tonal play with the gold tie) -But he would have to wear a mid-brown belt to carry it off.
Perhaps a pointy brogue or a loafer in mid tan.
A heavy shoe (let’s say a chocolate brown suede shark-sole) would also work here, but again — a brown belt to “anchor” the look. Also drop the pink kerchief, orange wrist band, and tie pin. It’s too much. (http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/1/8/1389179078501/Mens-shoes—black-jagged-003.jpg)
What minimum height, do you think, is tall enough to pull off cuffs?
6ft. Too much detailing in a limited space can be distracting.
But…the individual man’s proportions come into play.
A man can be tall and have short legs and a shorter man can have longish legs in relation to his torso. In men’s clothing, I think no matter what the height or the build, the desired illusion is the V shape — wide shoulders, narrow hips, and as much height as possible. No matter what height, a man should stand tall and upright. http://media.male-extravaganza.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/david-gandy_2_txkaps.jpg
I don’t think footwear matters that much with wearing cuffs on trousers because the eye takes in the whole picture: shoulders, mid-section, legs, shoes.
That suit you linked could work just as well with a simple turtle neck and kerchief, and button the jacket — and the wearer might look taller, cuffs or not.
Personally, I think if you want to mix it up, wearing trousers tailored from a darker, plain block colour, always works to give the illusion of length:
I like how the model here, Paul Weller, wears a grey check with simplicity. I think it’s the shape and cut. That’s what counts when a suit is accessorized.
Take a look it’s at around 00.40. It’s only a minute long, so you might miss it.
(Mr Weller is modelling with his daughter, a child from his marriage with soul singer Dee C Lee.)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE8_x4UIvsM)
The lapel pin is very cool–Bumble bee? Moth?
Cool! It really gives individuality. Some of finest silversmithing out there is done by Polish jewelers: amber set in siliver in the likeness of beetles and frogs… As I was saying to King earlier on about men’s tailoring: tailoring has fused more with fashion, and suits are less formal and conforming than they were 30 years ago (King didn’t answer so I don’t know what he thinks about that.) I bellieve men wear jewelry more too, and perhaps feel freer in adding a bright, individual touch far more now than years ago.
on Fri Feb 28th 2014 at 06:16:02 DocMo
Great post. Loved the bit about Crazy Eddie. That was a big part of being in the East Coast. Nobody knows about Crazy Eddie in the Midwest. Lol.
This is now the age of technology, for the past 30 or 40 years people were able to work in industrial jobs and weren’t college graduates and probably just graduated from high school and were able to secure jobs that paid well. Now one must be educated about all the modern technology of this age. If one does not get on top of technology it will get on top of them.
on Sat Mar 15th 2014 at 02:03:28 Pay it Forward
^^”Truer words…,” Mary Burrell!
It does not serve young people today to think they can make a financial killing job-wise without first attaining viable degree and / or technical training. When I was coming along, even a Bachelors was not deemed sufficient; a Masters, and most especially an MBA, was considered basic / entry level.
These days it seems that a sizeable number of young people are going on to pursue their Doctorate degree, something which I myself considered a worthy though unnecessary pursuit, career-wise — a luxury, really.
Thirty years ago the other day: The detention in “The Breakfast Club” (1985). It fictionally took place on Saturday March 24th 1984.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Breakfast_Club
on Thu Mar 27th 2014 at 15:27:25 jefe
@MB
This is now the age of technology, for the past 30 or 40 years people were able to work in industrial jobs and weren’t college graduates and probably just graduated from high school and were able to secure jobs that paid well.
I think that was mainly during the period 1945 – 1984. By the mid-80s, those jobs were starting to dry up due to
– foreign competition and offshore production
– break-up of the unions
– computer / tech jobs expansion throughout the 80s.
It is mostly the people born before WWII that could become middle class doing a trade or industrial work without a college degree.
on Tue Apr 1st 2014 at 16:38:25 resw77
Have racist stops and frisks ceased under NYC’s new mayor, or are black and latin New Yorkers still being harassed?
on Tue Apr 1st 2014 at 19:00:55 Bulanik
People on buses, trams and over-land trains: heads down texting on their mobile phones. Before there would many more heads behind newspapers or eyes looking outward.
Added before and after pictures of telephones, the New York Times, Ebony magazine, search engines and R&B artists.
on Sat Nov 21st 2015 at 11:10:40 jefe
New: rice cookers
we got our first one in the mid-late 70s. Took one up to college. I worked in a Chinese restaurant 1982-1985, and rice cookers were used. How did that become new in 2014? I would describe it as something that has not changed much. The ones today look almost the same as the ones in 1984.
on Sat Nov 21st 2015 at 11:42:05 Omnipresent
that photo is not the Paul Weller that was married to DC Lee
You are right. They go back to at least the Japanese Imperial Army. Thanks.
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Abortion Drug Kills Woman in Australia at Marie Stopes
Written by abo on July 6, 2019 in Essays
In Australia has died from a lethal Infection contracted after using the deadly OUR 486 abortion drug. The abortion pill has killed more than a dozen women worldwide and potential dozes of women across the globe, according to Its European manufacturer. The woman has not been named by government officials but she received the abortion drug at a Marie Stores International abortion facility in 2010. She contracted streptococcus A infection and died of sepsis at that time but her death is only coming to light now.
The Australian newspaper indicated the case as reported to a coroner, but no inquest was convened. It also reported Marie Stores International Australia and the Therapeutic Goods Administration refused to release information about the woman’s death, citing patient confidentiality. However, the TAG is telling abortion practitioners giving women the abortion drug to step up the treatment they provide following abortions. As The Australian reports: Marble Stores clinical services director Jill Michelson said of the woman’s death: “This Is a tragic outcome and our sympathies are with her family.
The coroner dispensed with holding an Inquest, and the case Is closed. Michelson said the woman had died of sepsis “some days after” having the medical abortion at one of Mama’s 14 Australian clinics. She could not say whether there had been further contact between the service and the woman. Asked when the woman became ill, Ms Michelson said: “It was certainly not in the initial period” after the abortion. In the six-month period to June 30 last year – the latest for which figures are available – the drug was given to an extra 5383 Australian women, a spike of 48 per cent.
About 85,000 abortions a year are performed in Australia, mostly for women who choose not to continue pregnancy. MISS operates clinics In Queensland, NEWS, Victoria, ACT and Western Australia. After being notified of the death, the TAG wrote to all authorized OUR 486 prescribes, recommending they review their protocols. ‘Where necessary,” it advised, patient Information and consent documents should be changed to Include active follow-up by medical staff to “exclude Infections, Incomplete abortion and therapeutic failure”.
BBC News reports that Caroline De Costa, a professor of obstetrics and genealogy at James Cook university in Cairns who was the leading pro-abortion campaigner for ringing the abortion drug to Australia, is urging caution. “l think we have to be very clear that if we’re going to continue using the drug for early medical abortion and using it at home, then services have very, very good mechanisms in place for looking after women once they actually leave the clinic,” she said.
With the drug having killed dozens of women worldwide and injured more than 2,200 alone in the United States, according to April 2011 FDA figures, pro-life groups have been concerned about Planned Parenthood putting women’s health at risk. OUR 486 and its companion drug re administered between the fifth and ninth weeks of pregnancy, after pregnancy has been confirmed and the process typically Involves three trips to a doctor.
About half of the women abort while at the doctor’s office, with another 26 percent having remainder either have an abortion in the coming weeks or none at all of the drug fails to work ? making it so a surgical abortion is required. Through April, the FDA reports 2,207 adverse events related to the use of RIG 486, including 14 deaths, 612 hospitalizing, 58 octopi pregnancies, 339 blood transfusions, and 256 cases of infections in the United States alone. A European drug manufacturer has publicly stated that 28 women have died worldwide after using RIG 486/omnipresent.
Last year, Lifelines. Com reported about a Portuguese girl who died after an abortion with the RIG 486 abortion drug caused Colostomies sordidly septic shock, the same deadly infection that caused the death of Holly Patterson and other women in the U. S. The information about the abortion death came in the abstract of a study accepted for publication and submitted to the recent 21st European Congress of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Diseases (CHEMIC) conference held from May 7-10 in
Milan, Italy. The publication revealed the 16-year-old received 200 MGM of oral omnipresent followed by 800 of vaginal monstrosity. She went to the maternity hospital’s emergency room five days after receiving omnipresent, complaining of Lilliputian in the night before and abdominal cramping. “On admission, she was conscience, febrile and hypotenuse,” the study indicated. “A few hours later she developed a rapid onset-sepsis with marked leucotomies, humidification, and severe metabolic acidosis.
The patient underwent a hysterectomy and uterus biopsy cultures and anthropologically analysis were requested. Patient was transferred to intensive care unit and died 18 hours after presenting to emergency. ” So far, eight women in the U. S. Have died from the use of the abortion drug, including women going to Planned Parenthood abortion centers in California. Planned Parenthood had been telling women to use the abortion drug vaginally, as the Portuguese teen used it, even though the FDA indicated oral use is safer for women.
It wasn’t until four California women all died within a week of using the abortion drug they received from Planned Parenthood abortion businesses that it changed its policy to conform to he FDA protocol. In June 2008, a new study from University of Michigan scientists suggested the off-label use of a drug given in association with the abortion pill may be responsible for the women’s deaths. When women get the abortion drug RIG 486, they take two pills.
One, omnipresent, essentially deprives the growing unborn child of food and water and the second, monstrosity, causes contractions allowing women to give birth to the dead baby. The second, monstrosity, causes contractions that essentially cause a miscarriage of the body of the deceased unborn child. In animal ND cell culture studies, the University of Michigan researchers found that monstrosity, when given directly in the reproductive tract, suppresses key immune responses and can allow a normally non-threatening bacterium, Colostomies sordidly, to cause deadly infection.
According to post-mortem reports on the women who died from the abortion drug in the U. S. , this vaginal use allowed the bacteria to cause the fatal infections. When absorbed through the stomach, however, the drug did not compromise immune defenses or cause illness, the researchers found. Dry. Randy Abandon, the director of research for National Right to Life, told Lifelines. Mom at the time that earlier studies showed the omnipresent drug also caused problems. Authors of this study claim that vaginally administered monstrosity may suppress suggested that RIG 486, or omnipresent, the first drug used in the chemical abortion process, may itself have insuppressible qualities,” he explained. Abandon said he’s not convinced the University of Michigan study is the final chapter in the story of the women’s abortion drug deaths. “As long as both of these drugs are being used as abortionists, it will be important to try and nail down how one or both of these rugs contributed to eight known infection deaths among women to took the two drug regimen,” he said.
Regardless of the study findings, Dry. Abandon told Lifelines. Com that abortion facilities that violated the FDA abortion drug protocols put women at risk. “Though the FDA specifically cautioned that the safety of at home vaginal self administration of monstrosity had not been established, many clinics had their patients follow this course anyway,” he said. “That much of the abortion industry disregarded the FDA protocol for so long displays either a disregard for the feet of women or a sense that they somehow knew better than the government’s top scientists,” Abandon concluded. In either case, these are hardly the sort of people women should be trusting with their lives.
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Markus Zusak – The Book Thief
Do we need another Holocaust story?
The Holocaust was horrible. I doubt anyone will argue otherwise. Even those who claim it was nothing special are redundant. No massacre was as systematic and well-organized as this. The Holocaust comes with built-in emotional appeals, so you can’t blame me for being skeptic about The Book Thief. The fact that it’s for Young Adults, became popular and is narrated by Death makes everything worse. It looks like something that aims for the heart strings. It will manipulate you with tragedy and then give you some easy answer.
Only it’s not what happens. This is more like Fault in Our Stars. It’s a novel that feels like the result of harrowing research. Zusak writes like he’s trying to cope with believing that the Age of Social Catastrophe really happened. It’s not about a Holocaust. It’s about trying to come to terms with how reality shifted since WWII.
It was a nightmare. The Nazis, Pol Pot, the Russian Communism, the War – it sounds like an extinction event. It must’ve shook everyone. How does civilization continue from such a devastating event?
Zusak creates a character whose own story could somehow encompass this mess. His protagonist isn’t a Jew or a slave in the Gulag. This would make his book too specific. She’s also not a person from the highest echelon of society, for whom death was a complete shocker. Liesel is somewhere in the middle. She knows what death is and she knows what happiness is. She doesn’t know what so much death is.
Zusak wants to prod into what grief is. He’s trying to come to terms with it and while the story doesn’t rely on ass-pulled happy endings, it’s less dark than Green’s famous novel about cancer. People die and bad stuff happens, but Zusak’s attempts at staying optimism aren’t convincing. They sound like denial of tragedy rather than confronting it.
Hans’ character is the worst bit. He’s like Atticus, remaining moral and good-willing no matter how terrible things are. We don’t get a reason why he’s like this. He’s an angelic figure at reads more like Zusak convincing himself that there were good Germans,
You don’t need Jew-loving Germans to make us sympathize with them. A bolder move would be to show us the German who either bought into Nazism, or just cared only about his own skin. This would be harder to do, but more insightful. Zusak already chose to tell the story about Germans and not Jews, for a change. Despite all their power, the Nazis were the losers and their story wasn’t heard. The novel reminds us that there was more in that time period besides dying Jews and the assholes who ran the camps.
Hans is better than Atticus, though. Around the middle Zusak lets him fall like he should. In fact, Zusak puts a lot of characters through breakdowns and allows each to have his own way of coping. He doesn’t manage to create a convincing enough psychology. His characters are too quirky. They stick to their quirks rather than reveal new things about their personality. Still, he gives each of them their own way of coping. It’s hard to write a convincing psychology, but an honest attempt gives extra points.
He also avoids the trope of showing a happy life that’s followed by a tragedy. That’s easy to do. Zusak’s Himmel Street isn’t a happy world of quirky people who are happy despite being poor. It’s a world of ups and downs, childish fights, hunger and friendship. It’s often disconnected from the big story of WWII but isn’t that the point? While war goes on, people are trying to live as usual.
It’s also interesting to see a 21st century view of war applied to WWII. There are no heroes and villains in this war. It’s just people doing their job. People are afraid of bombs, but don’t care much who they’re fighting against. War is ugly, regardless of which side you on. Thankfully, Zusak doesn’t take the leap to conclude there’s a grand conspiracy at works. He avoids ranting about fat white men smoking cigars, planning to bomb children for their own amusement.
His take on Hitler though, is a mess. He obscures his view in a children’s book. It’s either a cop-out or a clever way of saying how childish it is to paint Hitler as some senseless bad guy. There are some philosophizing about words, but they don’t lead to anywhere. Books are pretty important, words have power but is war the result of the failure of words? Or can war be caused by and solved by words? Zusak knows that portraying the Nazis as hating books is a straw man. Mein Kampf is their Bible. Where does he draw the line? He raises questions but never explores them enough to help me come to answer of my own. It’s just there.
While the idea of Death narrating the story is pretty cool, it’s also not used to its advantage. Death’s tone is interesting. Current Western society (and a lot of cultures in general) despise death and view it as the most terrible thing. Check the panic around the idea that everyone has the right to die. Death’s tone is not cruel but almost detached. It’s a sad inevitability that we must accept.
There’s not much insight beyond this. Death is a psychopomp, but not much else. It’s not even a new spin. The problem is that death is presented as this general thing. There are various causes of death and we treat each of them differently. It would be better if Zusak used this to make Death more complex. Suicide, war, old age – we react differently to those deaths. Digimon Tamers gave us an original spin by personoficating suicide specifically. Zusak had a chance to portray all kinds of deaths, but instead it’s monolithic.
The stylized prose also doesn’t always work. Zusak knows what he wants. He’s trying to be poetic by creating a rhythm and separaitng paragraphs. His descriptions are sensual and not precise. Cliches still attack him. The weather is always mentioned, which is such a redundant technique that it doesn’t matter how much purpose it has. The poetic style also often leads to more telling than showing. While there are interesting reactions to disaster, in general the characters don’t have enough to do. We’re being told about them, and they end up more quirky than humane.
It would’ve worked if Zusak was more determined what kind of book this was. If the whole thing was supposed to be pseudo-poetic all the way, then the occasional ‘manipulative’ moment could be excused. If your whole story is one large poem, everything will probably be exaggarated and an angelic figure like Hans would be easier to swallow. Too often the poetic stylings cover up the characters instead of revealing them.
It’s an interesting enough book that doesn’t justify the hype, but doesn’t deserve to be lumped as another brain-dead best seller. It resorts to failed tricks as much as it has original ideas. It reads more like an interesting experiment by a writer who has a great book in him, rather than a hack who can only pull the heart strings. Hopefully, the sales will make Zusak take his craft more seriously.
3 stolen books out of 5
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ANTING-BEHAVIOUR may be defined as the stereotyped movements with which birds, in order to get formic acid (or other organic liquids) on to the feathers for some purpose as yet not fully understood, actively apply ants (or objects in place of ants) to certain parts of the plumage, a n d / o r more or less passively allow these insects to crawl on to the plumage. Bird-watchers in the British Isles have so far lacked a readily available general review of this enigmatic behaviour. The present paper aims to provide detailed descriptions of the special movements involved (with the aid of illustrations) and to discuss the nature of anting critically. The literature of anting and the basis of the present review. No attempt will be made to trace fully the earlier history of anting in the literature. Those interested can do no better than read the account of Chisholm (1944), to whom all credit is due for first stimulating widespread interest in this very puzzling phenomenon in his book on Australian bird topics (1934). Before this, there were only scattered references (e.g. Osmaston (1909) who gave the first details of certain features of anting), but, as a direct result of Chisholm’s comments, there appeared, in the German periodical Ornithologische Monatsberichte, a series of preliminary notes, initiated by the editor Dr. E. Stresemann (Stresemann, 1935; Stresemann et al., 1935; Adlersparre, 1936; and others). Another contribution at this time came from India (Ali, 1936), after which for some years most interest
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How Could Brexit Affect Australian Supply Chains?
Aaand we are officially in the Brexit month! With Australia being a highly trade-exposed economy, the 29th of March 2019 when the UK will be exiting the European Union, is looking like an uncertain time for supply chain operators. Over the last 5 years, the UK has consistently been one of Australia’s top five trading partners. Therefore, Australia is extremely volatile to any downturns in international trade involving the UK.
Once the UK exits the EU, they have a twenty-one month “adjustment period” or “grace period”. During the adjustment period, which will end in January 2021, every day life in the UK will not change. However, during that period, the UK will have no say in the drawing up of rules by EU members. Essentially, the transition period is for the UK to rebuild its own agreements with the rest of the world. However, if the withdrawal agreement does not get passed in time by the MP’s, there will be a no-deal Brexit. No-deal Brexit could throw the UK and its trading partners into deep waters by skipping the adjustment period and defaulting under the World Trade Organisations rules.
New Trade Rules
After Brexit, any EU trading arrangement Australia has had, will be nullified for trading with the UK. The renegotiations of trade rules and tariffs with the UK, may or may not result in additional tariffs. The implementation of new tariffs would affect both importers and exporters. Both sides will need to reinform themselves on the latest trade rules. The extent of informed compliance with the new rules is imperative in order to prevent the rise of unexpected costs or penalties. Unpredicted trade costs could be catastrophic for a business. Supply Chain managers should expect and budget for additional costs, delays and some complexity during the alignment of the processes. Additionally, the implementation of a new FTA’s is crucial! Alternatively, that would leave room for other countries to obtain a competitive advantage in trading with the UK, over Australia trading with the UK. Noticeably, “Australia’s trade relationship with the EU outweighs trade with the UK by a ratio of approximately 3 to 1 so focus must be on the EU as well as separate opportunities with the UK”, (Trade and Investment Queensland).
Demand for Australian Exports
In the case of increased tariffs with the end of the “adjustment period”, Australia’s trade balance could experience a shock. Additional tariffs would result in less demand for Australian exports. Consequently, that would cause an oversupply of goods in our domestic market, bringing prices down, alongside businesses profits.
Demand for the AUD
In the instance of lower demand for Australian exports, there is also lower demand for the Australian dollar. Less demand for our currency will bring down the overall value of the AUD.
Are you starting to feel a knot in your stomach? Okay, time to give you the good news. In the reverse scenario, this is what would happen;
Aussie Industries to experience the most Uncertainty
As per Australia’s-UK’s trade and investment relationship in 2017-2018
Major Australian exports (to the UK);
Alcoholic Beverages (mainly wine)
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Major Australian Imports (from the UK);
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Major Australian Service exports (to the UK);
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Major Australian Service Imports (from the UK);
Personal travel excluding education
Professional, technical & other business
The above-mentioned imports and exports are expected to experience the highest risk during Brexit.
How can businesses preper themselves?
A few ways for businesses to prepare themselves for the consequences of Brexit would be;
Stock Pilling. Urgently import a larger quantity of UK goods than required, to last during the adjustment period
Businesses involved in the medical, pharmaceutical or car sector should review and comprehend the new “Australia – Britain Mutual Recognition Agreement”
Take into consideration any released government advise material
Map out any UK goods or raw material, which rely on EU standards/approvals. Those goods would require an entirely new approval regime. This issue has a significant effect on Australian Wine regarding labelling.
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best and remain calm.
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The movement of people such as UK citizens living outside the UK, UK tourists and truck freight drivers
The “hard” border between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic
Financial Markets. Brexit could be jeopardising London’s status as the financial centre of Europe. Not to mention the agreed £39 billion “divorce bill” UK is to give to the EU as part of their exit plan
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How do I know which cables to use?
by Dave Roos
Europeans are more likely to use SCART cables, on the left. People in the United States use composite cables, on the right.
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There are a handful of cables that transmit both audio and video signals. For years, coaxial video cables were one of the only choices for connecting video components. Coaxial video cables have that famous one-pin connector, sometimes called a stinger, that can either be pushed or screwed into place. Coaxial video cables are now mostly confined to outside connections, such as satellite TV or cable TV lines that come through the wall. A single coaxial cable carries both video and audio signals.
HDMI cables are an updated version of DVI. HDMI cables were also designed for use with HD components, but their connector is much slimmer, like a large USB cable. HDMI also includes HDCP copy protection. Manufacturers of HDMI cables tend to advertise their product as the only choice for connecting HD video components, but that's not true. DVI cables work equally well. However, if you're using an analog TV, all three work equally well [source: Cobalt Cable].
In Europe and the UK, the most popular dual-purpose cable is called SCART (Syndicat des Constructeurs d'Appareils Radiorécepteurs et Téléviseurs). SCART cables have fat, 21-pin connectors. In Europe, SCART cables do the work of RCA analog audio cables as well as composite, s-video and component video cables, but they can't carry high-bandwidth digital video or audio signals, such as those necessary for high-definition TVs. HDMI is the preferred cable in Europe for HD components.
FireWire, or IEEE 1394, cables are mostly associated with connecting devices to computers, but a few high-end home theater receivers and HDTVs now come with FireWire ports. FireWire is capable of carrying compressed MPEG-2 video and digital audio. You might use a FireWire cable to connect a digital video camera directly to your home theater system to show off some unedited footage.
To sum up, here are the cables that you would use for some common home entertainment systems.
Home stereo system (CD changer, stereo receiver, speakers):
Lower-end: If you're playing regular CDs or MP3s, you'll only need RCA analog audio cables and speaker wire.
Higher-end: If you want crisper digital audio, go for optical or digital coaxial cables and thicker speaker wire.
Highest-end: If you want the unparalleled sound of DVD-audio in full surround sound, you'll need special DVD-audio cables and 12-gauge speaker wire.
Home theater system (Blu-ray player, DVD player or VCR, video game console, home theater receiver, TV, speakers):
Lower-end: If you have an older standard-definition TV and mostly use your system to watch regular DVDs or VHS tapes, then you'll do fine with a composite video cable bundled with RCA analog audio cables.
Higher-end: For a newer standard-definition TV, you should really upgrade to component video cables. RCA cables will still do fine for audio.
Highest-end: Once you enter the world of high definition, you'll need to use either component video cables or one of the two copy-protected options: DVI or HDMI. You'll also want to invest in thick-gauge speaker cable to make the most of your surround-sound system.
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Workers’ Compensation Commission evaluating medical fee schedule changes
Shawn Ashley, eCapitol
The chair of the Workers’ Compensation Commission hopes to see the state move toward a formulaic medical fee schedule and away from an arbitrary schedule.
Former Rep. Mark Liotta, who chairs the commission, said, “We think we should move forward with a plan of small, incremental changes toward a fee schedule that is formulaic, predictable and logical and less arbitrary.”
Liotta was scheduled to discuss the issue Friday at a joint meeting of the commission and its Physician Advisory Committee. The advisory committee meeting, however, had to be cancelled when it was realized the agenda for the meeting had not been properly posted. The commission was called to order and then adjourned since its agenda called only for it to participate in the advisory committee’s meeting.
The fee schedule determines the maximum amount to be paid by insurers to providers for certain services, Liotta explained. Providers are free to bill more than the amount set on the fee schedule, he added, and in some cases, providers have agreements to provide the service at a lower rate.
The current fee schedule, which was adopted by administrative rule, originally was implemented in 2012 by the Workers’ Compensation Court administrator. The court is now known as the Workers’ Compensation Court of Existing Claims and deals only with those claims filed before the commission came into existence in 2014.
In his prepared remarks, Liotta said, “…it is my evaluation our fee schedule is the produce of many historical legislative efforts which included the various medical disciplines and is, in effect, arbitrary with no logical formulaic basis.”
Liotta wrote in his prepared remarks that 38 states have chosen a structure that is formulaic, predictable, logical and uniform to the extent reasonable and practicable. That is the goal the commission is pursuing, he added.
Liotta suggests the commission “…move forward with a plan of small, incremental changes toward a formula every year, instead of every two years.” That, he wrote, currently is being researched.
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Top 15 Best Thermometer Apps For Android And iOS
by Paulo
No matter what the weather’s like outside, everyone likes to know what temperature it is. Everyone also knows how to found out. The thermometer has been measuring how hot it is reliably for hundreds of years.
Thermometers measure the temperature, but that means that you can find out more than just how hot it is outside. You can measure your own internal temperature, of the temperature of an item like food you’re cooking.
You can even measure something like an engine to see if it’s overheating. That means that thermometer apps can help you avoid being in danger in some situations.
The technology behind thermometers has changed more than once over the years. In modern times, the fastest way to access a thermometer is by smartphone. Billions of people have one.
There are lots of handy apps on the Play Store and the App Store, and many of them are free to use. These apps are no exception.
If you think you or someone else has a fever, then you could take the temperature and find out for yourself. No doctor needed!
The newest, most exciting thermometer apps are always available on the PlayStore and the iTunes store. There are a lot of apps to sift through, so we did it for you. Here are fifteen of the best thermometer apps for Android And iPhone.
#1. iThermonitor
#2. Fingerprint Body Temperature
#3. Real Thermometer
#4. Smart Thermometer
#5. Smarttemp
#6. iCelsius
#7. Thermo
#8. Fever Tracker
#9.Thermometer & Hygrometer
#10.Thermometer++
#11. EasyBBQ
#12. Digital Thermometer
#13. Thermometer
#14. Kinsa Smart Thermometer
#15. HD Thermometer
iThermonitor is one definitely of the most used and well-liked thermometer apps for both Android and iPhone users. You can use it on your phone to measure temperature. It’s free and easy to use.
The app analyzes the temperature and displays a lot of statistical data and graphs – some people call it a personal doctor app. Sometimes it’s important to know if someone or something is above or below a certain temperature.
When that happens, you will want to know the exact temperature instead of making an estimation. With this app you can do just that, and it doesn’t use much energy either.
Download iThermonitor today, and you’ll always be able to see the temperature when you need to, without carrying a thermometer with you.
iThermonitor
Developer: Raiing Medical Company
iThermonitor
Fingerprint Body Temperature is a different thermometer app but it’s still pretty popular. Without any trouble, you can measure body temperature… or can you?
It’s actually a prank app, it doesn’t really work! Try it as a joke on your friends and family. You can make the app display a high temperature, and then trick people into thinking you have a fever. The possibilities are endless.
The app is free and uses high quality images to trick anyone who doesn’t know about the app already. Try it today and you’ll be impressed. You might even have something up your sleeve for the next April Fool’s Day.
Remember not to use this app if you want to know the actual temperature of something, because you’ll never get the right number.
Body Temperature Info
Developer: Onex Apps
Finger Body Temperature - Smart Thermometer Prank
Developer: Waheed Khan
Real Thermometer is an excellent and reliable thermometer app for smartphones. It uses a powerful passive infrared sensor to help users easily measure temperature. There are no costs for using this app.
Real Thermometer is best used about 3 to 5 cm away from the target. What’s neat about this app is that it can record and store temperatures so that you can pull them up whenever you want to see them.
This ability is especially useful when you’re collecting multiple samples, like for a science experiment. If that’s not enough, you can synchronize your devices together, and view the data on other devices.
It’s a pretty good deal – all those tools for free, all you have to do is wait for the app to download and install.
Real Thermometer
Developer: Yami Apps
Real Thermometer
Developer: cong qi
Smart Thermometer is a smart app to have. It’s an amazing temperature reader thanks to its internal sensors.
The app automatically uses GPS to help maintain accurate readings. It’s true: if you put in incorrect GPS data, you will get different readings. That’s how you know the technology is advanced.
Apps like these which require some form of connection, whether it’s satellites or towers, might not be the most convenient. But it will help you get the most accurate temperature readings, so it’s probably worth it.
Smart Thermometer
Developer: Color Tiger
Smarttemp is a popular temperature-measuring app available in PlayStore for Android and the App Store for iOS users. Without paying any money, you can download this app and measure temperature.
This app is unique because it can create multiple accounts for your family, and the app will track temperature readings for each of them.
Smarttemp records a history of temperatures and even allows you to set up reminders and add notes. It’s actually one of the handiest apps on this list. And it’s completely free.
Smarttemp
Developer: Infanttech
Infanttech Smarttemp
iCelsius is another great thermometer app for Android and iPhone which allows you to easily see temperature information on any smartphone. There are no hidden fees for using the body thermometer feature.
Having a body thermometer is a good idea. Sometimes knowing what your temperature is can help you figure out if you’re sick.
This app does more than just act as a thermometer. It can show you a graph that you can zoom in on. It can set alarms for you, and you can record readings and add notes to them.
This app makes it very easy to chart and track weather.
iCelsius
Developer: Aginova Inc.
iCelsius
Developer: Aginova
Thermo is an app that is easy to figure it out and use. It’s a thermometer and geological app. It can display temperature around a given area.
It needs geographical input, so you can either input something manually or connect to your phone’s GPS. The readings can be refreshed whenever you want.
The temperature can be displayed in either Celsius or Fahrenheit.
Developer: Came S.p.A.
THermo
Fever Tracker is a popular prank temperature app. You can pull hilarious pranks on your friends and loved ones whenever you want with this app. It’s free to download and install.
Fever Tracker was designed for Android and is available on the PlayStore. It uses a fingerprint scanner to collect samples. The scan doesn’t actually measure anything, but gives the illusion that your temperature is being measured.
People will usually believe numbers that a device like a smartphone shows them. Even if they realize later that the numbers were wrong, they still fell for it at first.
Fever Tracker
Developer: DoctorMe Oy
Thermometer & Hygrometer is a free heat and humidity measurement tool for both Android and iOS software. This app can quickly transform your smartphone into an impressively designed and attractive digital thermometer.
Not only does this app accurately measures the temperature (Celsius and Fahrenheit), but it also measures humidity. How much water is in the air changes how it feels to be outside for people, so it’s important to know.
Thermometer - Hygrometer
Developer: HD-Team
Thermometer X ++ Digital Temp
Developer: Christian Koch
Thermometer++ is a recently developed and well-received app for Android and iPhone. It’s popular because of how well it measures temperature. Like other apps on this list, you need your location turned on.
The results are always correct and quick.
Thermometer++
Developer: Singulario Apps
Thermometer++.
Developer: Viachaslau Tysianchuk
EasyBBQ is a specialized thermometer app. This smartphone app for Android and iPhone is a cooking thermometer. It is a customized preset temperature app. It has an option for a countdown timer.
There’s a temperature graph to make comparing measurements easier. The app can connect to a maximum of half a dozen temperature probes at once.
EasyBBQ
Developer: COWACO
EasyBBQ
Developer: Shenzhen Qilin Wanglian Information Technology Co.,ltd
Digital Thermometer is a fantastic popular digital thermometer tool on PlayStore and the App Store. With it, you can easily and rapidly get local temperature readings. Any smartphone user can take advantage of this.
Fahrenheit and Celsius are both available. It’s a great app for outdoor activities like camping or going for a hike. You’ll never be caught off guard with Digital Thermometer.
Digital Thermometer FREE
Developer: Patrick Giudicelli
Digital Thermometer app
Developer: Amber Mobile Limited
Thermometer is a highly accurate thermometer smartphone app for Android and iPhone users.Getting the temperature is a breeze with this app.
Thermometer searches online databases for current and constantly updated data about weather and temperature. It’s algorithm is dedicated to providing the most accurate readings fast.
The results come on analog and digital display. There are special one of a kind backgrounds.
Thermometer (free)
Developer: Mobiquité
@Thermometer
Developer: Mobiquite
Kinsa Smart Thermometer is a versatile popular thermometer app for all smartphone users. Hopefully it will help you notice signs of illness more quickly.
There are logs where you can store your recordings of body temperature, instances of fever, and medication you have and when you take them. Kinsa Smart Thermometer is a useful app because there’s even more that you can do with this app.
You can research information about illnesses and symptoms on this app. You can set up accounts for family members. The app specifies fever based on ages.
If you want to pay a small extra charge, you can have reminders to take medication sent to you.
Kinsa Smart Stick
Developer: Kinsa Inc.
Kinsa Smart Stick
Developer: Transform Health Inc.
HD Thermometer is as awesome as it sounds. This thermometer app for Apple and Android smartphone users to see results about temperature in the current region.
Make sure that you’ve turned on your location before starting to use this app. Once you do that, the app will constantly keep updating your phone with new relevant information.
It works indoors and outdoors. An internet connection is required.
Thermometer Free
Developer: baldinio
HD Thermometer ⊎
Developer: Christophe Pereira da Conceicao
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EVALUATION OF ETHNICITY AND ISSUE OF POLITICAL DEVELOPMENT IN NIGERIA
Leave a Comment / Public Administration and Political Science Project / By Emmanuel Joseph Noko
AN EVALUATION OF ETHNICITY AND ISSUE OF POLITICAL DEVELOPMENT IN NIGERIA (A CASE STUDY OF DELTA STATE).
Ethnicity and political development in Nigeria has been a pending issues in Nigeria, click to download the full project work from chapter one to end including abstract.
The realm of politic is the field of greatest conflict in the society. This is not surprising since policies are the process whereby society arbitrates over power and allocation or score resource. However in modern western political dictionary political this ability that been seen as characteristic of the developing country or countries in transition in African Latin American and Asia transition in Africa Latin America and Asia .
The political disability in African countries could be attributed to many factors ranging from the frequently from the frequency of militating coup to political violence and civil disorders, which are all as a result of the existence and dominance of social elenge such as religion, regionalism tribalism and most especially ethnicity. Ethnicity in our political life having proved uncontrollable deserves serious attention. It is evident that this Nigeria, which can be seen from the frequent changes of government and coup date in the country. This study is therefore going to concentrate on how the problem of ethnicity has affected the political development of Nigeria.
Nigeria is a nation whose history is replete with numerous and varied existing and political threats to national political development. In colonial era till date, the sad yet unfortunate story has been that of one geo-ethnic group attempting to assert and, in the process, establish her hegemony over the other, perceived as posing a veritable threat to its very existence. Consequent upon this alleged threat of dominance it has become fashionable to see a particular sub national group treating session from the rest of the federation unit on the basis of on from of disaffection or the other. For instance in 1953 the Northern segment of the country called for session in the following year. It was the west, therefore, secession urges became dormant a determines attempt to out of Nigeria to constitute in self into an independent entity. It is necessary to state that these secession attempted his greatly affected the political development of Nigeria. How these various secession attempted has affected political development of Nigeria will be discussed in subsequent chapter.
Nigeria by over four hundred ethnic group with each having m it own language and tradition the dominant ethnic groups as we have noted above are the Hausa- Fulani in the North, the Yoruba’s in the and the Igbo’s in the East.
Nigeria was formed by the gradual incorporation of different areas and people into which empire from 1861 onward and took it final shape in 1914 the Amalgam a nation of the Southern and Northern protectorates in 1939 the Southern protectorate was divided into Eastern and Western regions there are yet other force within each of these dominant regions. These were the minorities are those who are shadowed and discriminated against by the three major ethnic groups in the North, there is the middle belt, the west had mid-west and the Calabar Ogoja river (COR) area in the eat.
From above analysis one is led to believe that the claims of separate social group must necessary be incompatible with the demands of the w hole social group this is not usually, the case for instance there are French and English speaking condition in Canada Creak and Shovas in Czecholo Vakia, the French Italian and German in Switzerland
No doubt political instability affect the political as well as economic development of any nation but it consequence are often exaggerated. It has been argued that political instability is inherent in and country but the ability of the political system to certain stress generated within it at any given time determines political instability. While rejecting this argument, it is important to note that the British introduced ethnicity into Nigeria polities during the colonial period and what they did at independence was to create a political system hat was unable to contain the stress generated by this ethnicity
Thus a British colonial governor characterized Nigeria as a collection of Self contained and mutually independent native state. Separated from one mother and tradition and by ethnological racial, tribal political social and religion Barrier’s (Clifford 1920) it is not clamed hat hetegenous cultural background does not affect political stability, the ability to weld the different ethnic groups together is the process of nation building, which is not an easy ask. It involves the transformation of the pre-colonial political entire of the societies with the Nigeria temporary into a virile political culture the would sustain the Nigeria state. When the alien culture of Europe impinged on the existing societies is credited a problem of adjustment which required new technique and ideas to deal with the new order. Incidentally the instability as a result of ethnicity and other social colleagues which permeated the Nigeria political scenes, this has consequently affected the political development of Nigeria.
What made ethnicity to assume an alarming proportion in the polities of Nigeria was that the focus of each of the dominant ethnic group was on equal share of race-course.
The question was who get what, how and by how much. They wanted to maximize their individual security the control of the lion-share of the country source resource
Today the biggest threat to nation political development is that of lack of unity. In the absence of duty of a kind to will became difficult to define common national objective identification of a common economy. The greatest threat to unity today is ethnicity.
This work is therefore throughout a comitial review of the problem of ethnicity and it effect on the political development of Nigeria since independence till date.
MEMORANDUM OF DELTA STATE
Nigeria came into being as a result of the empirical amalgamation in 1914 of the protectorate of Northern Nigeria one the one hand, and of Southern Nigeria and they colony of Lagos on the other hand. This brought together communities of diverse peoples and culture which evolved into an independent sovereign nation in 1960. However, Nigeria continues to face a number of challenge and induced by the Justice, inequity and unfair inherent in this internal socio-political arrangements. For the to develop into a strong nation deliberates efforts must be made to deal with these factors.
Delta state is made up of five major nationalistic, with a combined population of over 4 million people. This figure is an undercount as we shall indicate in a later section under census. The state was created out of the former Bendel state in 1991. it has a geographical area on 17440 square kilometer consisting of dry land wetland creak rivers swamps, extensive existence coastline and continental shelf. Of this geographical area about 60, percent is made of its population live on the swampy river-line parts and their traditional occupation and mainstay s mostly farming and fishing.
In addition to agricultural and solid mineral resources, the state is endowed with enormous oil and gas reserves. Delta state has been the major producer of crude oil and natural gas in Nigeria since 1958 when first well were drilled by the shell petroleum development company. As celebrate n the pamphlet. the story of shell B.P (1972) The discovery of oil in the western Nigeria Delta established Nigeria firmly as a major world producer of oil.
This view of the primary of Delta state in the oil economy is confirmed by the late M.O Feyider, Nigeria former secretary of the organization of petroleum exporting countries (OPEC). During the executive directorship of Dimafume Onoge. Also G.G. Darah Delta state from group captain Luke Ochulor Felix Ibru-To James Ibori. The failure of the 1999 constitution to provide for his this diversity in the nations political structure has become a major source of our current difficulties. As a direct consequence of the concentration of powers and resources in the federal government under 1999 construction. Nigeria has been purged into an unending series of crisis upon crisis since the commencement of the so-called fourth republic on 27th May, 1999. The country is concurrently confronted with:
Fierce competition for the capture of power at the center leading to overheating and instability of the polity. Mutual supervision and fears of domination and marginalization between ethnic state leading to the rise of ethnic militias and violet conflict .
on the fifth and last day, the tempo of the festival rises with increased booming of cannon guns and echoes of Joyans Song by some gifted women singer:. Expert tempters blow their thrilling tune in praise of the Obi Okpala-Uku or Diokpa and t he prominent farmers of the land.
On this day large quantities of yams are roasted, cleared and mixed with fresh or fried oil. Everybody partake of it. Some quantities of it are sent to friend well wishers, finances and others, an action which reflects to bond of cordial relationship. On this day two meat of all the goat slaughtered the previous day share among the people. More dancing and merriment continue with boys and girls arranging special get-together to mark the occasion. During the last two days of the festival, the houses of the titles men and women, the Iyase, the Odogwu, the Onu and others are scene of great festivities with several visitor from far. These personalities, by virtues of their special position in the town, bear a great burden of the festival and are often fully stretched to meet the demand of their.
The impart of Iwaji on the people in such that many opinion have been expressed in an attempt to discern the motive of their forefather in evolving the age-ling festival. The social seventies sees the festival as a deconstruction of the people communities of interest. The agriculturist say it was intended to serve as an impetus to woven white shirt dance round the village, some their elephant tusk trumpets. Goats and cock are slaughtered before the family shrine by Ndichhie and Nze.
Libation are poured and the spirit of the dead ancestors are involved to share the joys of new session everywhere the music of wooden group throb in the palaces of Obi’s and other traditional rulers.
Before he ritual ceremonies, the shrine including the god of the farm Ifejioku are purified by young Virgins (Umuada) with eggs and chicken tied on piece of young palm frond and dragged around the premises reciting from shrines and so make them worshipable. After the scarified before the family shrine by Nze food is cooked and all present parake of the pounded yam which must be tested first by the Obi or Diokpa of each family group. This is followed by merriment. Rejoicing and dancing particularly by the young ones, who eat and drink with abandon singing. In beautiful traditional attire and in the case of ladies with headiest, neckless earrings to match. They dance in group round their respective communities according to their age-grades. They provides themselves with various item of respondent, including Kola Nuts soft drinks and local gin, in the evening of this day. Small children hold mock market with several odd things. Including pick of new yams, the means of exchange is the cowry.
CULTURAL PERSPECTIVE
Iwaji (New yam) festival is one of the oldest and most revered traditional festival of the people of Delta North arise of state where farming constitutes the main source f the people live hood.
Although here are slight differences in name and mode of celebration from place to in the area, the festival s essential an occasion of great job and happiness among the people for it. Political development in Nigeria
Marks the end of the period of famine and the beginning of the season of plenty like many other traditional festivals Iwaji no fixed date. It is however invariably celebrates annually in the first or second week of September. It last for about five days. Great preparation are usually made for the festival and the timing is determined by a council of elder with the Diokpa (Oldest man) or the Obi each town presiding. They are usually guided in their by the phase of the third day the farmer and all members of their families go to the farm to collect new yams, many which are sent as present by husbands to their parent in-law and to their dear ones as a token of friendship.
The actual celebration starts on the fourth day which is usually the native resting day called Eke. On this day guns boom, and the Obi’s and Diokpa clad in traditional increases productivity, the not-too serious minded man in the street does not even associate the any conscious attempt by the ancestors to attain and end, but rather regards it a mere passions or revelry. whatever the various interpretation , the people f this area regard the festival as native reward for hard work and also a reminder f the importance of farming in their lives this no doubt, why the people turn out in fall pomp and pageantry during the occasion.
Democracy after seven years of democracy in Nigeria oil company from all over the world are keen to gain a foothold on the Gulf of gummer the “Next Gulf” last year in Bayelsa state the poisonous mixture emitted by gas flaring, a practice that has now been beamed by Nigeria court caused 5,000 cases of respiratory disease and some 120,000 the population affecting the food chain thousand of environmental refuge leaves the earlier of the Beyalsa for the Ghetoes of Port- Harcourt or Ajegule , on the out –shirts of Lagos, the economic capital.
A weapon you never get is back. Once the election was over, these people took to crimes with he exercise they has been betrayed fighting between military groups caused frequent causalities, including Shel, Cherron, Agip or Total, which along with other foreign companies enjoy some of the highest profit margins in the world- the shell petroleum development company of Nigeria which produces 43% of Nigeria crude loses 10% of it production every day through sabotage and illegal siphoning. On 18 February the movement for the emancipation of the Niger Delta (mend) Kidnapped nine foreign executives working for a shell sub-contractors . after releasing six of them on 1 March mend decided to increase attack announcing five days latter would no longer seek kidnap hostage but would instead shoot to kill the Nigeria Army regularly targets such gang for brutal repriests. The oil companies which hire private security firms to protect their facilities often support such attacks Cherron Nigeria (a subsidiary of Cherron). The leading, is export of Nigeria crude lent the federal government is technical at Escravos and t helicopters, so that government force could raid communalities hostile to the company, the oil firm play on local rivalries.
The Ijaw people of Bayelsa state, Nigeria fourth largest ethnic group believe Alamuyeseigha is being persecuted for supporting resource control. He demands that half of the revenue from Oil should be set aside from where it was produced, rather than the allocation of 13% stipulated in the constitution. this was why he received an hero welcome on his return to the Bayelsa State Capital, Yanegoa where nearly three quarters of the population survive on less than a day and more than 10 years after the execution of the writer Sarowiwa, an opponent of the military dictator, General Sani Abacha the of the Bayelsa are looking for heroes. But today’s idol are dubious figures, dabbling in political activities and economic banditry.
Consider lhaji Asari Dokubo volunteer orce (NDPUF) ARESTED LIST August for posing a threat to the sovereignty of the state. Asari 40 is the son of a local Ijaw notable. He made his name in the early 1990, play an active art in student violence in the Delta universities. He is typical of a certain class, unable to do anything but watch, powerless as the potential benefit of an oil based economy slip through it finger, a militant attack for the local branch of the rubbing.
The People Democratic Party (PDP) intimates the apposition. But when you give difficult task. However, it must be pointed out here what would make for political development and the unity of the economy are also within these divisive force and are examined under recommendations.
1.2 STATEMENT OF PROBLEM
The problem of ethnicity religion and culture exists world wide. The problems are experienced in both the advanced and developing countries, for example the problems abound in America, India and Chad.
Back home, in Nigeria, which is the focus of this research, the impart of ethnicity become more divesting. Most observers of Nigeria politics are agreed about the central role of primordialism in Nigeria political process. This prevalence is evident from the electoral process to the political behavoiur of the Nigeria electorates. For instance, there was the election crisis on Western Nigeria in 1964 and 1965 respectively, which incriminated in the then Tafawa Belewa government declaring a state of emergency in area. Another example was in 1967 when Nigeria was plunge into Cauldron of a thirty month fratricidal war. It was a nation overtaken by ethnic enthauvinism.
Ethnicity constitute a real problem to national political development, it is against this background that it sources necessary to state the problem thus, first people think act not in nation but in ethnic terms. This sub-national particularism constitute an impediment integration and political development, second, ethnic cultural; and religion orientation make efforts aimed making Nigeria a united country a very raining, widening of any intellectual horizon which, prior tom this project was ostensibly parochial. It is also a source of motivation to me. As indicated by the title, this study is an examination f the problem of ethnicity and it effects Nigeria political development. This study will cover the period of the Nigeria political development starting from the colonial period is during the nationalist struggle for decolonization to contemporary Nigeria political i.e from Igbo, when Nigeria got her political independent and thus became sovereign state to data.
In this study events from the colonial period to the time of independent and after, that prompted the emergence of ethnicity in the Nigeria political science are explained.
The Nigeria politics before independents was under the directions of the British government. The Nigerian government has changes hard several times since 1960. The first republic was born in 1960 and it ended in a military coup in 1966. Since then different regime and administration have come and gone, which will be discussed here in relation to the political climate in Nigeria.
As given and does not by explain how it come to be centrally place in Nigeria politics. In other words, it does not tells the origin of primordialism in Nigeria politics , nether does it tell us the factors that have sustaining it within the Nigeria political system. This research will attempt to explain all these.
This study is also called out because of the concern for the increasingly important nature of ethnicity in contemporary Nigeria politics. Again it is to provide a basis for corporative analysis of political events in the first and second republic as well as the military regime and also as a plant form for analysis the third republic finally, this study desire to suggest way of minimizing political stress and the effects of ethnicity on the political development of Nigeria.
This work will, I hope contribute to the knowledge and understanding of this phenomenon.
1.3 PURPOSED OF THE STUDY
Basically the purpose of this study is to gain understanding of the effects of primordialism particularly ethnicity on Nigeria political development.
It is our belief that because of the dominance of primordialism in Nigeria polities. Some analyst entirely from the perspective, the impression of given that the political process is determined and controlled by primordial elements. Shortcoming and defects of the Nigeria political system are as resulting fro this phenomenon, thus their resolution is seen as laying in balancing these primordial interest.
It is our belief that while it is possible to have some awareness of the nature of Nigeria from this perspective as an explanatory framework, it is highly defective. It is defective because it simple takes the question of primordialisms.
1.4 SIGNIFICANCE OF THE STUDY
It is my sincere belief that the result of this research work on the concept of ethnicity and the issue of political development in Nigeria may constitute and invaluable rudimentary material for future researches. However at this undergraduate level, much have been my benefits from this understanding, these include ample
1.5 RESEARCH QUESTION
The research questions includes: –
Do you think there has been free and fare election in Nigeria?
Has ethnicity done more harm than good in issue of political development in Nigeria?
Does Nigeria political leaders embrace ethnicity that resulted to crisis?
Do you think there is political development in Nigeria?
Do you believe this ethnicity problem is to be caused by colonial masters through indirect rule?
1.6 SCOPE OF THE STUDY
As indicated by the title, this study is an examination of the problem of ethnicity and its effects on Nigeria political development starting from the colonial periodic during the nationalist struggle for decolonization to contemporary Nigeria politics (i.e from 1960) when Nigeria got her political independents and thus became a sovereign state to date.
In this study crisis in Bayelsa and Delta state which happened of recent that prompt the emergency of ethnicity in the state political science are explained. The Nigeria government have changed have several time since 1960. The first republic was born in 1960 and it ended in a military coup in 1960. since different regime and administration here come and gone, which will be discussed here in relation to the political eliminate in Nigeria. Political development in Nigeria
1.7 DEFINITION OF TERMS
No doubt, there are many and varied sensed in which a particular world can be used. This single usage deficiency of a word tends of blur understanding of individual readers. These words are as follows:-
Primordialism
Primordialism: By primordialism, we mean the see and manipulation of primordial sentiment ethnicity sectionalism religious etc for political purposes.
Ethnicity: The term ethnicity is used refer to ethnic groups whose member, exhibits common attitudes such as language, religion and culture history and orientation or inclination towards their future. Political development in Nigeria
Political development: As some authors are defined t, it is the progressive reduction of ethnic cultural and religion tension and element of non-continuities in the process of creating a virtually homogenous constitutional and economic development, tending to the attainment of a viable political culture.
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Posted on May 15, 2014 by Mayo
A lot of philosophers and scientists seem to be talking about scientism these days–either championing it or worrying about it. What is it? It’s usually a pejorative term describing an unwarranted deference to the so-called scientific method over and above other methods of inquiry. Some push it as a way to combat postmodernism (is that even still around?) Stephen Pinker gives scientism a positive spin (and even offers it as a cure for the malaise of the humanities!)[1]. Anyway, I’m to talk at a conference on Scientism (*not statisticism, that’s my word) taking place in NYC May 16-17. It is organized by Massimo Pigliucci (chair of philosophy at CUNY-Lehman), who has written quite a lot on the topic in the past few years. Information can be found here. In thinking about scientism for this conference, however, I was immediately struck by this puzzle:
How can we worry about science being held in too high a regard when every day we’re confronted with articles shouting that “most scientific findings are false?”
Too much kowtowing toward science? Gee, in the fields I’m most closely involved, scarcely a day goes by where I’m not reading headlines: “Bad Science”, “Trouble in the Lab”, and “Science Fails to Self-correct.” Not to mention the “Crisis of Replication”.
The more I thought about it, I realized it was not really puzzling; yet my way of unraveling the puzzle points to a somewhat different direction than where writers on scientism appear heading. Even those of us utterly allergic to postmodernism can grant legitimate worries about scientism, and the most noteworthy of them, I say, grow out of methodological abuses of (broadly) statistical methodology—“lies, damned lies, and statistics.” Big data and high-powered computers allow statistical techniques to be performed with a click of a mouse in any “data driven” inquiry both in science and beyond (culturomics, philosophometrics)—but with all sorts of methodological-philosophical loopholes. It’s the false veneer of science, it’s statistics as window-dressing, that rightly bothers (most of) us; it’s the misuse and overreach of statistical methods, (QRPs[2]) that is objectionable, as are presuppositions about “what we really, really want” in using probability to express and control errors.
Here’s the blurb I wrote before fleshing out any of the details….Send me your thoughts, ideally, by Saturday. (I may blog on the conference later on; if I update this, I’ll use (ii) in the title. See the update in a new post here.)
“The Science Wars and the Statistics Wars: scientism, popular statistics, and the philosophers”
I will explore the extent to which concerns about ‘scientism’– an unwarranted obeisance to scientific over other methods of inquiry– are intertwined with issues in the foundations of the statistical data analyses on which (social, behavioral, medical and physical) science increasingly depends. The rise of big data, machine learning, and high-powered computer programs have extended statistical methods and modeling across the landscape of science, law and evidence-based policy, but this has been accompanied by enormous hand wringing as to the reliability, replicability, and valid use of statistics. Legitimate criticisms of scientism often stem from insufficiently self-critical uses of statistical methodology, broadly construed—i.e., from what might be called “statisticism”– particularly when those methods are applied to matters of controversy.
While provocative articles written for popular consumption give useful exposés of classic fallacies and foibles (p-values are not posterior probabilities, statistical significance is not substantive significance, association is not causation) they often lack a depth of understanding of underling philosophical, statistical, and historical issues.
While “Big data” journalism offers novel ways to present information, that its correlational and causal headlines rely on a host of observable statistical associations and regressions may inadvertently allow biased or shaky claims to appear under the guise of hard-nosed, “just the facts” journalism.
Are philosophiesabout science relevant here? I say yes. To me, “getting philosophical” about uncertain inference is not articulating rarified concepts divorced from statistical practice, but providing tools to avoid obfuscating philosophically tinged notions about evidence, induction, testing, and objectivity/subjectivity, while offering a critical illumination of flaws and foibles surrounding technical statistical concepts. To warrant empirical methods of inquiry–both in day-to-day learning or science–demands assessing and controlling misleading, biased, and erroneous interpretations of data. But such a meta-level scrutiny is itself theory-laden–only here the theories are philosophical. Understanding and resolving these issues, I argue, calls for interdisciplinary work linking philosophers of science, statistical practitioners, and science journalists. Not only would this help to make progress in the debates–the science wars and the statistics wars–it would promote philosophies of science genuinely relevant for practice.
[1] See his 2013 New Republic article, “Science is not your enemy” here. But I wonder why he’s issuing: “an impassioned plea to neglected novelists, embattled professors, and tenure-less historians”. What does he want from the humanities anyway? Why is he trying to woo the tenure-less humanities professors? Surely they pose no threat to evolutionary psychology.
[2] Questionable research practices.
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Interesting. There does seem to have been a shift to focus on these issues in recent years. My understanding is that earlier scientism complaints focused on a different class of problems from the ones targeted in big data/replicability/statistical testing criticisms; the frustration over “The Moral Landscape” comes to mind, with critics more concerned about science providing the wrong kind of explanation for what we’re interested in than they were about matters like reliability. I’m curious to see where this goes.
Sleepy: You’re absolutely right. My twist is to begin with this puzzle to bring out some philosophical problems behind the methodological claims of scientism more generally–be the defenders scientists or philosophers.
Good observation but I don’t think the misuse of statistics is the full story. I’ve seen otherwise clear thinkers commit the fallacy of reasoning from a methodological restriction. For example:
1. Reasoning from the assumptions of game theory to claim that people are instrumentally rational.
2. Reasoning from a materialist framework to reach the conclusion that moral claims have no content.
3. Reasoning from Boyle’s and Charles’ laws to reach the conclusion that all gases are noble gases.
Actually, I’ve only seen one of these. For whatever reason, the people who commit 2 never have trouble see the question begging nature of 1 and 3.
James: Thanks for your comment. Your 3 examples fall under my statisticism, or at any rate, questionable methodology: begging the question or ill warranted extrapolation from non-rigorous empirical assessments. Philosophers ought to be outing these things rather than being put on the defensive.
I’m interested to learn more of the dialogue in this arena as of late. Recently I’ve been immersed largely in philosophy of statistics, arguments to the likelihood principle, and writing a book “How to Tell What’s True About Statistical Inference”.
This reminds me of Gelman’s recent discussion with Pinker “on research that is attached to data that are so noisy as to be essentially uninformative”.
Pinker: I don’t think that evolutionary psychology is a worse offender at noise-mining than social psychology in general.
Quite an admission.In explaining some of the weaknesses, Gelman points up one of the main problems error statisticians are on about: the multiple comparisons problems. He also links to an excellent paper of his.
Gelman: Multiple comparisons is the answer, and the point of our garden of forking paths paper is to explain how this problem can arise even for studies that are well motivated by substantive theory.
http://andrewgelman.com/2014/05/08/discussion-steven-pinker-research-attached-data-noisy-essentially-uninformative/
“I’m no worse than social psychology” is scarcely a ringing endorsement of the scientific status of a field. Maybe they shouldn’t call so much attention to themselves or a Dean might overhear.
My experience in the non-technical pop-culture expression of scientism is that it is not really promoting the scientific method, but a bastardized version of it. They, in general, leave out the introspection, the need for repeatability, etc.. For example, someone will post some article about a study that confirms their belief, and say “I f’ing love science”. Rarely do I see “This study is interesting. I wonder if it has been replicated yet, and I’d like to know more about the methods used…”
I also never see anyone post retraction/revision news on social media, but that is part of the scientific process too! Retractions or refutations should be celebrated – that’s what should separate science from dogmatic beliefs! No need for egos, nothing to be embarrassed about, (unless the retraction is a result of unethical practices).
Just my 2cents..it may only be worth 1 cent., or 1/2.
Will: What you say is consistent with my suggestion that they be outed on scientific grounds. On the other hand, if that’s all there is to their stance, it becomes less interesting to pursue altogether. I assume there must be more.
Gelman forwarded this to me:
http://andrewgelman.com/2014/05/17/forum-ecology-p-values-model-selection/
I seem to remember seeing some of these before, even though I know none of the authors except Spanos and wasn’t asked to contribute (Gelman didn’t include his).
Nathan Schachtman
Thanks for posting your slides. I enjoyed your talk, even if I did not have the opportunity to weigh in and rebut your “off-label” comments about Dr. Harkonen. The Harkonen case was affirmed by the 9th Circuit, but the Supreme Court denied the petition for review. I think you suggested it had gone to the Supreme Court, which I suppose is true of the petition, but the case was never called up from the Circuit because the writ was denied. (Technically, the writ of certiorari is the directive to the lower court to send up the record to the reviewing court; writ denied means that the record stayed down below.)
Dr. Harkonen’s use of the verb “demonstrate” in a press release was at worst a diction error and at best an inspired scientific inference based upon two randomized clinical trials, and a large body of clinical and pre-clinical research. The goverment had and has much better targets for its efforts to rein in fraudfeasors. How about George W. Bush for “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq? Susan Rice for fibs told about Benghazi? Or Barak Obama for the little white lie that Snowden could have gone up the chain of command with his complaints about surveillance run amok?
I suppose science is held in such a high regard that it has led to the rise of scientific poseurs. In the life sciences, there is money, prestige, power, and influence to be had through the research grant process. In the pharmaceutical industry, there are profits to be had. In judicial proceedings, there is money to be had by a class of lawyers that do not create, invent, or develop, but live and thrive like vultures on carrion. In regulatory matters, there are those who want to assume control over the engine of government, by dominating agency action that is determined by “substantial evidence,” a technical legal term that means many different things in different agencies and in different contexts. All these processes require creating the appearance of science without its content, or its commitment to a process. Perhaps because I live in a world of lawyers and public policy makers, I see retrograde moves all the time by scholars who want to misrepresent the scientific process and transform it into something that is more amenable to their political and social goals. See, e.g., Erica Beecher-Monas, Evaluating Scientific Evidence, for an account of science that strips away prediction and confirmation, and leaves explanation as the touchstone for science. All that is required is to be a good story teller.
Nate: Thanks for your comment. Yes I realize the Supreme Court didn’t agree to hear the Harkonen case. I hope we can post your latest legal reflections on the case.Do you have a link for Beecher-Monas? Good story telling is good scientific explanation?
E. Beecher-Monas, Evaluating Scientific Evidence: An Interdisciplinary Framework for Intellectual Due Process (New York 2007).
EBM, not to be confused with evidence-based medicine, doesn’t make the equation you give, but she describes science as providing explanation, leaving out the confirmation and prediction part.
Nate: OK, but you said she favored mere story-telling. Warranted explanations require testing, and thus testable implications which might be ruled out by the no-prediction stance. Mere story-telling is bad science.Anyway, I’ll look for EBM.
There was a very interesting response to Pinker called “Crimes Against the Humanities” (under “book brawl”) also in the New Republic: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114548/leon-wieseltier-responds-steven-pinkers-scientism
There are yet further rounds which the interested reader can find. But there must be some reconciliation of these positions, each of which contains many good points.
Mayo,
As for E. Beecher-Monas, I didn’t write “mere,” but I might well have. If you insert the all-important adjective, warranted in front of explanation, then you have added what I found missing in EBM’s account.
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Lithuania called to explain over sale of valuable weapons donated by US
The United States Embassy has called for an explanation of how the semi-automatic weapons M14 used by US snipers and donated to Lithuania's Armed Forces ended up in the hands of private individuals, delfi.lt news portal said.
President Dalia Grybauskaitė is trying out the semi-automatic weapon M14L1
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According to the portal, the support granted by the US government to Lithuania had been unlawfully transferred to third parties, although Lithuania and the United States have signed an agreement banning sale of weapons granted by the US.
M14, which are valued by collectors worldwide, were available for sale in Lithuania to any individual carrying a police permit to own a gun. The Weaponry Fund under the Interior Ministry sold the weapons at an incredibly low price – 347.54 euros apiece.
Jonas Salavejus, acting director of the fund, said that eight M14 weapons had been sold within a year. A decision was taken two years later to recover the weapons upon request of the US government.
Lithuania set to spend over EUR 100 mln on air defence systems (1)
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"When the weapons were transferred to the Weaponry Fund, there was no notification of the Lithuania-US agreement banning transfer of the weapons to third parties, nobody also told us that the weapons cannot be sold," said Salavejus.
The agreement between the Lithuanian and the US governments was signed in 2002, three years after the handover of the M14 weapons to the Lithuanian Armed Forces.
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Hafeez and Malik left out
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The Pakistan Cricket Board on Thursday announced central contracts for the 2019-20 season during which the men’s cricket team will play six World Test Championship Tests, three ODIs and nine T20Is.
The list has been trimmed from 33 to 19 players, but the contracts for the upcoming season are “significantly” higher in financial value.
The players who have been awarded central contracts are:
Category A: Babar Azam, Sarfaraz Ahmed and Yasir Shah
Category B: Asad Shafiq, Azhar Ali, Haris Sohail, Imam-ul-Haq, Mohammad Abbas, Shadab Khan, Shaheen Shah Afridi and Wahab Riaz
Category C: Abid Ali, Hasan Ali, Fakhar Zaman, Imad Wasim, Mohammad Amir, Mohammad Rizwan, Shan Masood and Usman Shinwari
Mohammad Hafeez and Shoaib Malik have not been offered contracts but they will remain available for selection, a press release from the PCB said.
Other prominent names missing from the latest contract list are Faheem Ashraf, Asif Ali, Junaid Khan, Mohammad Nawaz, Rumman Raees, Rahat Ali, Usman Salahuddin and Hussain Talat.
While finalising the list of central contracts, which will run from 1 July 2019 to 30 June 2020, players’ performances and fitness in the past 12 months and the formats they are likely to represent Pakistan in the upcoming season were taken into consideration, the board said.
“I want to congratulate all those who have been offered central contracts for the next season,” PCB Managing Director Wasim Khan said. “We have significantly increased the financial value of the 2019-20 retainers across each category. This is over and above what had been agreed in the current agreement, which is due to run until 2021.”
“The PCB have set high standards and targets in its strategic plan for the upcoming season. We want to attach a high value to receiving a central contract. We have complete faith and confidence that these players will set-up and produce on-field performances that will help us collectively achieve our objectives and targets,” he added.
Pakistan cricket team’s schedule from 1 July 2019 to 30 June 2020:
v Sri Lanka – 2 Tests, 3 ODIs and 3 T20Is (split tour)
v Australia – 2 Tests, 3 T20Is
v Bangladesh – 2 Tests, 3 T20Is
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Linear Tape-Open
(Redirected from Linear Tape Open)
LTO-2 cartridge
Linear Tape-Open (LTO) is a magnetic tape data storage technology originally developed in the late 1990s as an open standards alternative to the proprietary magnetic tape formats that were available at the time. Hewlett Packard Enterprise, IBM, and Quantum control the LTO Consortium, which directs development and manages licensing and certification of media and mechanism manufacturers.
The standard form-factor of LTO technology goes by the name Ultrium, the original version of which was released in 2000 and can hold 100 GB of data in a cartridge. The eighth generation of LTO Ultrium was released in 2017 and can hold 12 TB (30 TB at 2.5:1 compression)[1] in a cartridge of the same size.
Upon introduction, LTO Ultrium rapidly defined the super tape market segment and has consistently been the best-selling super tape format.[2][3] LTO is widely used with small and large computer systems, especially for backup.[citation needed]
1 Historical context
2.1 Compatibility
2.2 Unsuccessful LTO variants
2.2.1 Accelis
2.2.2 Multiple lengths of LTO-1 tapes
3 Core technology
3.1 Tape specifications
3.2 Physical structure
3.3 Logical structure
3.4 Positioning times
3.5 Tape durability
4 Optional technology
4.1 Compression
4.2 WORM
4.3 Encryption
4.4 Partitioning
4.4.1 Linear Tape File System
5.1 Colors
5.2 Cartridge memory
5.3 Labels
5.4 Leader pin
5.5 Erasing
5.6 Cleaning
6 Mechanisms
7 Market performance
Historical contextEdit
Half-inch (½-inch, 12.65 mm) magnetic tape on open reels has been used for data storage since the 1950s. In the mid 1980s, IBM and DEC put this kind of tape into a single reel, enclosed cartridge. Although the physical tape was nominally the same size, the technologies and intended markets were significantly different and there was no compatibility between them. IBM called its format 3480 (after IBM's one product that used it) and designed it to meet the demanding requirements of its mainframe products. DEC originally called theirs CompacTape, but later it was renamed DLT and sold to Quantum Corporation. In the late 1980s, Exabyte's Data8 format, derived from Sony's dual-reel cartridge 8 mm video format, saw some popularity, especially with UNIX systems. Sony followed this success with their own now-discontinued 8 mm data format, Advanced Intelligent Tape (AIT).
By the late 1990s, Quantum's DLT and Sony's AIT were the leading options for high-capacity tape storage for PC servers and UNIX systems. These technologies were (and still are) tightly controlled by their owners. Consequently, there was little competition between vendors and the prices were relatively high.
To counter this, IBM, HP and Seagate formed the LTO Consortium, which introduced a more open format focusing on the same mid-range market segment.[4] Much of the technology is an extension of the work done by IBM at its Tucson lab during the previous 20 years.[5] Initial plans called for two LTO formats to directly compete with these market leaders: Ultrium with half-inch tape on a single reel, optimized for high-capacity and Accelis with 8 mm tape on dual-reels, optimized for low-latency.
Around the time of the release of LTO-1, Seagate's magnetic tape division was spun off as Seagate Removable Storage Solutions, later renamed Certance, which was subsequently acquired by Quantum.
GenerationsEdit
Despite the initial plans for two form-factors of LTO technology, only Ultrium was ever produced. In common usage, LTO generally refers to the Ultrium form factor.
As of 2018, eight generations of LTO Ultrium technology have been made available and four more are planned. Between generations, there are strict compatibility rules that describe how and which drives and cartridges can be used together.
Type M-8[Note 1]
LTO-10
2000[6] 2003 2005 2007 2010[7] Dec. 2012[8] Dec. 2015[9][10][11] Dec. 2017 TBA TBA TBA TBA
Native/raw data capacity
100 GB 200 GB 400 GB 800 GB 1.5 TB[12] 2.5 TB[13] 6.0 TB[11][14] 12 TB[15] 9 TB 24 TB[12][16] 48 TB[12] 96 TB[12] 192 TB[12]
Compressed capacity
200 GB 400 GB 800 GB 1.6 TB 3.0 TB 6.25 TB 15 TB 30 TB 22.5 TB 60 TB 112.5 TB 240 TB 480 TB
Max uncompressed speed (MB/s)[14][Note 2]
20 40 80 120 140 160 300[17] 360 300 708 1,100 TBA TBA
Max compressed speed (MB/s)
40 80 160 240 280 400 750 900 750 1,770 2,750 TBA TBA
Time to write a full tape at max uncompressed speed(hh:mm)
1:25 1:25 1:25 1:50 3:10 4:35 5:55 9:15 8:20 TBA TBA TBA TBA
Compression capable?
Yes, "2:1" Yes, "2.5:1" Planned, "2.5:1"[16][18]
WORM capable?
No Yes No Planned
Encryption capable?
No Yes Planned
Max. number of partitions
1 (no partitioning) 2 4 Planned
^ Previously unused LTO-7 tape, not an independent generation, part of LTO-8 generation. See: Compatibility
^ Maximum uncompressed speeds valid for full height drives. Half height drives may not attain the same speed. Check manufacturer's specifications.
Comparison of "supertape" capacities, including LTO.
Data capacity and speed figures above are for uncompressed data. Most manufacturers list compressed capacities on their marketing material. Capacities are often stated on tapes as double the actual value; they assume that data will be compressed with a 2:1 ratio (IBM uses a 3:1 compression ratio in the documentation for its mainframe tape drives. Sony uses a 2.6:1 ratio for SAIT). See Compression below and the table above.
The units for data capacity and data transfer rates generally follow the "decimal" SI prefix convention (e.g. mega = 106) and not the binary prefix convention (e.g. mega = 220).
Minimum and maximum reading and writing speeds are drive-dependent.
Drives usually support variable-speed operation to dynamically match the data rate flow. This nearly eliminates tape backhitching or "shoe-shining", maximizing overall throughput and device/tape life.[19]
CompatibilityEdit
In contrast to other tape technologies, an Ultrium cartridge is rigidly defined by a particular generation of LTO technology and cannot be used in any other way. While Ultrium drives are also defined by a particular generation, they are required to have some level of compatibility with older generations of cartridges. The rules for compatibility between generations of drives and cartridges are as follows:
Up to and including LTO-7, an Ultrium drive can read data from a cartridge in its own generation and the two prior generations. LTO-8 drives can read LTO-7 and LTO-8 tape, but not LTO-6 tape.[20][21][22]
An Ultrium drive can write data to a cartridge in its own generation and to a cartridge from the one prior generation in the prior generation's format.
Some LTO-8 drives may write previously unused LTO-7 tapes with an increased, uncompressed capacity of 9 TB ("Type M-8").[23] Only new, unused LTO-7 cartridges may be initialized as LTO-7 Type M. Once a cartridge is initialized as Type M it may not be changed back to a 6 TB LTO-7 cartridge. LTO-7 Type M cartridges are only initialized to Type M in an LTO-8 drive. LTO-7 drives are not capable of reading LTO-7 Type M cartridges.[24]
An Ultrium drive cannot make any use of a cartridge from a more recent generation.
For example, an LTO-2 cartridge can never be used by an LTO-1 drive and even though it can be used in an LTO-3 drive, it performs as if it were in an LTO-2 drive.
Within the compatibility rules stated above, drives and cartridges from different vendors are expected to be interchangeable. For example, a tape written on any one vendor's drive should be fully readable on any other vendor's drive that is compatible with that generation of LTO.
Unsuccessful LTO variantsEdit
Some planned LTO variations were not produced, or produced only briefly.
AccelisEdit
LTO technology was originally designed to come in two form factors, Ultrium and Accelis.[25] As of 2008, LTO Ultrium was very popular and there were no commercially available LTO Accelis drives or media.[26] In common usage, LTO generally refers only to the Ultrium form factor.
Accelis was developed in 1997 for fast access to data by using a two-reel cartridge that loads at the midpoint of the 8 mm wide tape to minimize access time. IBM's (short-lived) 3570 Magstar MP product pioneered this concept. The real-world performance never exceeded that of the Ultrium tape format, so there was never a demand for Accelis and no drives or media were commercially produced.
Multiple lengths of LTO-1 tapesEdit
The first generation of Ultrium tapes were going to be available with four types of cartridge, holding 10 GB, 30 GB, 50 GB, and 100 GB. Only the full length 100 GB tapes were produced.[27]
Core technologyEdit
Tape specificationsEdit
LTO-5[28]
Type M (M8)[30]
Native data capacity
100 GB 200 GB 400 GB 800 GB 1.5 TB[12] 2.5 TB[13][32] 6.0 TB[11][14][32] 9.0 TB 12 TB[14][32] 24 TB[16][18][32] 48 TB[16][32] 96 TB 192 TB
Tape length
609 m 680 m 820 m 846 m[33] 960 m
12.650 mm ± 0.006 mm
Tape thickness
8.9 µm 8 µm 6.6 µm 6.4 µm 6.1 µm[34] 5.6 µm
Magnetic pigment material
Metal Particulate (MP) MP or BaFe[35] BaFe[36]
Polyethylene naphthalate (PEN)
Data bands per tape
Wraps per band
12 16 11 14 20[12] 34 28 42 52
Tracks per wrap (read/write elements)
8 16[12][37] 32[11] 32 32 (TMR)
384 512 704 896 1,280 2,176[37] 3,584 5,376 6,656
Linear density (bits/mm)
4,880 7,398 9,638 13,250 15,142[38] 15,143[39] 19,094[40] 19,104 20,668
RLL 1,7 RLL 0,13/11; PRML RLL 32/33; PRML 32/33 RLL NPML[39]
End-to-end passes
required to fill tape
48 64 44 56 80 136 112 168 208
Expected tape durability,
9,600[41] 16,000[41] 16,000[41] 11,200[41] 16,000[41] 20,000 20,000
Physical structureEdit
LTO Ultrium tape is laid out with four wide data bands sandwiched between five narrow servo bands. The tape head assembly, that reads from and writes to the tape, straddles a single data band and the two adjacent servo bands. The tape head has 8, 16, or 32 data read/write head elements and 2 servo read elements. The set of 8, 16, or 32 tracks are read or written in a single, one-way, end-to-end pass that is called a "wrap". The tape head shifts laterally to access the different wraps within each band and also to access the other bands.
Writing to a blank tape starts at band 0, wrap 0, a forward wrap that runs from the beginning of the tape (BOT) to the end of the tape (EOT) and includes a track that runs along one side of the data band. The next wrap written, band 0, wrap 1, is a reverse wrap (EOT to BOT) and includes a track along the other side of the band. Wraps continue in forward and reverse passes, with slight shifts toward the middle of the band on each pass. The tracks written on each pass partially overlap the tracks written on the previous wrap of the same direction, like roof shingles. The back and forth pattern, working from the edges into the middle, conceptually resembles a coiled serpent and is known as linear serpentine recording.
When the first data band is filled (they are filled in 3, 1, 0, 2 order across the tape), the head assembly is moved to the second data band and a new set of wraps is written in the same linear serpentine manner. The total number of tracks on the tape is (4 data bands) × (11 to 34 wraps per band) × (8, 16, or 32 tracks per wrap). For example, an LTO-2 tape has 16 wraps per band, and thus requires 64 passes to fill.
Logical structureEdit
The block structure of the tape is logical so interblock gaps, file marks, tape marks and so forth take only a few bytes each. In LTO-1 and LTO-2, this logical structure has CRC codes and compression added to create blocks of 403,884 bytes. Another chunk of 468 bytes of information (including statistics and information about the drive that wrote the data and when it was written) is then added to create a "dataset". Finally error correction bytes are added to bring the total size of the dataset to 491,520 bytes (480 KB) before it is written in a specific format across the eight heads. LTO-3 and LTO-4 use a similar format with 1,616,940-byte blocks.[42]
The tape drives use a strong error correction algorithm that makes data recovery possible when lost data is within one track. Also, when data is written to the tape it is verified by reading it back using the read heads that are positioned just "behind" the write heads. This allows the drive to write a second copy of any data that fails the verify without the help of the host system.
Positioning timesEdit
While specifications vary somewhat between different drives, a typical LTO-3 drive will have a maximum rewind time of about 80 seconds and an average access time (from beginning of tape) of about 50 seconds.[43] Because of the serpentine writing, rewinding often takes less time than the maximum. If a tape is written to full capacity, there is no rewind time, since the last pass is a reverse pass leaving the head at the beginning of the tape (number of tracks ÷ tracks written per pass is always an even number).
Tape durabilityEdit
LTO tape is designed for 15 to 30 years of archival storage.[44][45] Depending on the generation of LTO technology, a single LTO tape should be able to sustain approximately 200-364 full file passes.[41]
There is a large amount of lifespan variability in actual use. One full file pass is equal to writing enough data to fill an entire tape and takes between 44 and 136 end-to-end passes. Regularly writing only 50% capacity of the tape results in half as many end-to-end tape passes for each scheduled backup, and thereby doubles the tape lifespan. LTO uses an automatic verify-after-write technology to immediately check the data as it is being written,[46][47] but some backup systems explicitly perform a completely separate tape reading operation to verify the tape was written correctly. This separate verify operation doubles the number of end-to-end passes for each scheduled backup, and reduces the tape life by half.
Optional technologyEdit
The original release of LTO technology defined an optional data compression feature. Subsequent generations of LTO have introduced new optional technology, including WORM, encryption, and partitioning features.
CompressionEdit
Main article: Magnetic tape data storage § Data compression
The original LTO specification describes a data compression method LTO-DC, also called Streaming Lossless Data Compression (SLDC).[48][49] It is very similar to the algorithm ALDC[50] which is a variation of LZS. LTO-1 through LTO-5 are advertised as achieving a "2:1" compression ratio, while LTO-6 and LTO-7,[11] which apply the same compression algorithm to larger blocks of data, are advertised as having a "2.5:1" ratio. This is inferior to slower algorithms such as gzip, but similar to lzop and the high speed algorithms built into other tape drives.
The primary difference between ALDC and SLDC is that SLDC does not apply the compression algorithm to incompressible data (i.e. data that is already compressed or sufficiently random to defeat the compression algorithm). Every block of data written to tape has a header bit indicating whether the block is compressed or raw. For each block of data that the algorithm works on, it saves a copy of the raw data. After applying the compression function to the data, the algorithm compares the "compressed" data block to the raw data block in memory and writes the smaller of the two to tape. The extra bit used by SLDC to differentiate between raw and compressed blocks effectively places an upper bound on the expansion of incompressible data.
WORMEdit
New for LTO-3 was write once read many (WORM) capability. This is normally only useful for legal record keeping. An LTO-3 or later drive will not erase or overwrite data on a WORM cartridge, but will read it. A WORM cartridge is identical to a normal tape cartridge of the same generation with the following exceptions: the cartridge memory identifies it to the drive as WORM, the servo tracks are slightly different to allow verification that data has not been modified, the bottom half of the cartridge shell is gray,[51] and it may come with tamper-proof screws.[52] WORM-capable drives immediately recognize WORM cartridges and include a unique WORM ID with every dataset written to the tape. There is nothing different about the tape medium in a WORM cartridge.
EncryptionEdit
The LTO-4 specification added a feature to allow LTO-4 drives to encrypt data before it is written to tape.[53] All LTO-4 drives must be aware of encrypted tapes, but are not required to support the encryption process. All current LTO manufacturers support encryption natively enabled in the tape drives using Application Managed Encryption (AME). The algorithm used by LTO-4 is AES-GCM, which is an authenticated, symmetric block cipher. The same key is used to encrypt and decrypt data, and the algorithm can detect tampering with the data. Tape drives, tape libraries, and backup software can request and exchange encryption keys using either proprietary protocols, or an open standard like OASIS's Key Management Interoperability Protocol.
PartitioningEdit
The LTO-5 specification introduced the partitioning feature that allows a tape to be divided into two separately writable areas, known as partitions. LTO-6 extends the specification to allow 4 separate partitions.
Linear Tape File SystemEdit
The Linear Tape File System (LTFS) is a self-describing tape format and file system made possible by the partition feature. File data and filesystem metadata are stored in separate partitions on the tape. The metadata, which uses a standard XML schema, is readable by any LTFS-aware system and can be modified separately from the data it describes. The Linear Tape File System Technical Work Group of the Storage Networking Industry Association (SNIA) works on the development of the format for LTFS.[54]
Without LTFS, data is generally written to tape as a sequence of nameless "files", or data blocks, separated by "filemarks". Each file is typically an archive of data organized using some variation of tar format or proprietary container formats developed for and used by backup programs. In contrast, LTFS utilizes an XML-based index file to present the copied files as if organized into directories. This means LTFS-formatted tape media can be used similarly to other removable media (USB flash drive, external hard disk drive, and so on).
While LTFS can make a tape appear to behave like a disk, it does not change the fundamentally sequential nature of tape. Files are always appended to the end of the tape. If a file is modified and overwritten or removed from the volume, the associated tape blocks used are not freed up: they are simply marked as unavailable, and the used volume capacity is not recovered. Data is deleted and capacity recovered only if the whole tape is reformatted.[citation needed]
In spite of these disadvantages, there are several use cases where LTFS-formatted tape is superior to disk and other data storage technologies. While LTO seek times can range from 10 to 100 seconds, the streaming data transfer rate can match or exceed disk data transfer rates. Additionally, LTO cartridges are easily transportable and the latest generation can hold more data than other removable data storage formats. The ability to copy a large file or a large selection of files (up to 1.5 TB for LTO-5 or 2.5 TB for LTO-6) to an LTFS-formatted tape, allows easy exchange of data to a collaborator or saving of an archival copy.
Since LTFS is an open standard, LTFS-formatted tapes are usable by a wide variety of computing systems.
CartridgesEdit
LTO-2 cartridge with the top shell removed, showing the internal components.
Top right corner: tape access gate.
Bottom left corner: write-protect-tab.
Bottom right corner: cartridge memory chip
As of 2019[update], only Fujifilm and Sony continue to manufacture current LTO media.[55] Quantum also offers LTO media of their brand, but manufacturing is outsourced.
Compliance-verified licensed manufacturers of LTO technology media at one time were EMTEC, Imation, Fujifilm, Maxell, TDK, and Sony.[56] All other brands of media are manufactured by these companies under contract. Since its bankruptcy in 2003, EMTEC no longer manufactures LTO media products. Imation ended all magnetic tape production in 2011,[57] but continued making cartridges using TDK tape. They later withdrew from all data storage markets, and changed their name to Glassbridge Enterprises in 2017. TDK withdrew from the data tape business in 2014.[58] Verbatim[59] and Quantegy[60] both licensed LTO technology, but never manufactured their own compliance-verified media. Maxell also withdrew from the market.
In addition to the data cartridges, there are also Universal Cleaning Cartridges (UCC), which work with all drives.
Dimensions[61]
102.0 × 105.4 × 21.5 mm
Cartridge memory
4 KB 8 KB 16 KB[37]:5[62]
Typical color
Black Black Purple Slate-blue / Blue-gray Green / Green-gray / Teal Dark red[63] Black[64] Purple[65] Dark red
HP color
Orange Blue Dark red Yellow Green[66] Light blue[67] Purple[68] Slate blue[69] Green
ColorsEdit
The colors of LTO Ultrium cartridge shells are mostly consistent, though not formally standardised. HP is the notable exception. Sometimes similar, rather than identical, colors are used by different manufacturers (slate-blue and blue-gray; green, teal, and blue-green).
WORM (write once, read many) cartridges are two-tone, the top half of the shell is the normal color of that generation for that manufacturer, and the bottom half of the shell is a light gray.
HP's dark red LTO-2 cartridge
HP's light-blue LTO-5 cartridge
Cartridge memoryEdit
LTO cartridge memory
Every LTO cartridge has a cartridge memory chip inside it. It is made up of 511, 255, or 128 blocks of memory, where each block is 32 bytes for a total of 16 KB for LTO-6 and 7; 8 KB for LTO-4 and 5; and 4 KB on LTO-1 to 3 and cleaning cartridges.[62] This memory can be read or written, one block at a time, via a non-contacting passive 13.56 MHz RF interface. This memory is used to identify tapes, to help drives discriminate between different generations of the technology, and to store tape-use information.
Every LTO drive has a cartridge memory reader in it. The non-contact interface has a range of 20 mm.[70] External readers are available, both built into tape libraries and PC based. One such reader, Veritape, connects by USB to a PC and integrates with analytical software to evaluate the quality of tapes.[71] This device is also rebranded as the Spectra MLM Reader[72] and the Maxell LTO Cartridge Memory Analyzer.[73] Proxmark is also able to read data.[74]
LabelsEdit
An example of an LTO-6 label
The LTO cartridge label in library applications commonly uses the bar code symbology of USS-39.[75][76] A description and definition is available from the Automatic Identification Manufacturers (AIM) specification Uniform Symbol Specification (USS-39) and the ANSI MH10.8M-1993 ANSI Barcode specification.
Leader pinEdit
Leader pin on the end of a length of LTO tape
The tape inside an LTO cartridge is wound around a single reel. The end of the tape is attached to a perpendicular leader pin that is used by an LTO drive to reliably grasp the end of the tape and mount it in a take-up reel inside the drive. Older single-reel tape technologies, such as 9 track tape and DLT, used different means to load tape onto a take-up reel.
When a cartridge is not in a drive, the pin is held in place at the opening of the cartridge with a small spring. A common reason for a cartridge failing to load into a drive is the misplacement of the leader pin as a result of the cartridge having been dropped. The plastic slot where the pin is normally held is deformed by the drop and the leader pin is no longer in the position that the drive expects it to be.
ErasingEdit
The magnetic servo tracks on the tape are factory encoded. Using a bulk eraser, degaussing, or otherwise exposing the cartridge to a strong magnetic field, will erase the servo tracks along with the data tracks, rendering the cartridge unusable.
Erasing the data tracks without destroying the servo tracks requires special equipment. The erasing head used in these erasers has four magnetic poles that match the width and the location of the data bands.
The gaps between the poles correspond to the servo tracks, which are not erased. Tapes erased by this equipment can be recorded again.[77]
CleaningEdit
Internal head cleaning brush from an IBM LTO-2 FH drive. Swipes once for every insert and eject
Although keeping a tape drive clean is important, normal cleaning cartridges are abrasive and frequent use will shorten the drive's lifespan. LTO drives have an internal tape head cleaning brush that is activated when a cartridge is inserted. When a more thorough cleaning is required the drive signals this on its display and/or via Tape Alert flags.[78] Cleaning cartridge lifespan is usually from 15 to 50 cleanings. There are 2 basic methods of initiating a cleaning of a drive: robot cleaning and software cleaning.
In addition to keeping the tape drive clean, it is also important to keep the media clean. Debris on the media can be deposited onto drive components that are in contact with the tape. This debris can result in increased media wear which generates more debris. Removing excessive debris from tape can reduce the number of data errors. Cleaning of the media requires special equipment.[79] These cleaners are also used by Spectra Logic to clean new media that is marketed as "CarbideClean" media.[80]
HP LTO Gen.1 drives have a cleaning strategy[81] that will prevent the drive from using the cleaning tape if it is not needed. In a change of strategy, HP LTO Gen 2, 3 and 4 drives will always clean when a Universal Cleaning Cartridge is inserted, whether the drive requires cleaning or not.[81]
MechanismsEdit
As of 2019[update], compliance-verified licensed manufacturers of current LTO technology mechanisms are IBM, Hewlett-Packard, and Quantum,[82] although both Hewlett Packard and Quantum have stopped new development of drive mechanisms.[83] The mechanisms, also known as tape drives or streamers, are available in Full-height and Half-height form factors. These drives are frequently packaged into external desktop enclosures or carriers that fit into a robotic tape library.
IBM Full-Height LTO-2 drive
HP Half-Height LTO-2 drive in an enclosure for desktop use
Inside a LTO-2 tape drive
ADIC Scalar 100 tape library interior
IBM 3584 tape library with LTO-1 (Ultrium) tapes visible
Market performanceEdit
In the course of its existence, LTO has succeeded in almost completely displacing all other technologies such as AIT, DLT, DAT/DDS, VXA, and Oracle StorageTek T10000. At the high end of the tape market, the IBM 3592 series is still under active development. LTO also competes against hard disk drives (HDDs), and its continuous improvement has prevented the predicted "death of tape" at the hands of disk.[84]
The presence of five certified media manufacturers and four certified mechanism manufacturers for a while produced a competitive market for LTO products. However, as of 2019[update], there are only two manufacturers developing media, Sony and Fuji, and only IBM is developing mechanisms.
LTO Cartridge Sales
The LTO organization publishes annual media shipments measured in both units and compressed capacity. In 2017, a record 108,457 petabytes (PB) of total tape capacity (compressed) shipped, an increase of 12.9 percent over the previous year.[85] Cartridge unit shipments decreased slightly to about 18 million units down from a peak of about 27 million units in 2008.[86]
LTO Tape Drive Sales
Public information on tape drive sales is not readily available. Unit shipment peaked at about 800,000 units in 2008, but have declined since then to about 400,000 units in 2010,[87] and to less than 250,000 by the end of 2018[88]
As HDD prices have dropped, disk has become cheaper relative to tape drives and cartridges. As of 2019[update], at any capacity, the cost of a new LTO tape drive plus one cartridge is much greater than that of a new HDD of the same or greater storage capacity. However, most new tape cartridges still have a lower price per gigabyte than HDDs, so that at very large subsystem capacities, the total price of tape-based subsystems can be lower than HDD based subsystems, particularly when the higher operating costs of HDDs are included in any calculation.[89]
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PPMA names Andrew Stark as its new chief operating officer
The PPMA Group, which represents the UK’s processing and packaging industry, has appointed Andrew Stark as its new chief operating officer. Stark has a sales and marketing background and has spent the past nine years in the processing and packaging industry working for Multivac in several different roles. Earlier, he worked in IT and outsourced professional services in London’s Docklands.
“We are very pleased that Andrew Stark has accepted the PPMA Group board’s offer to become chief operating officer,” says PPMA chairman, Richard Little. “Andrew has many years experience of the packaging machinery market, including in-depth knowledge of end-users and the supply chain.
“Andrew will add value to the already excellent PPMA team and allow us to build on our rapid progress in developing our PPMA Show and related events,” he adds, “and also facilitate the introduction of new strategic initiatives such as the PPMA Best (business, education, skills and training) programme.”
Stark: a milestone year
Stark says he is “delighted” to be joining the PPMA Group. “This is a milestone year for the Association as we bring the PPMA Show back in-house again and take on the challenge of setting up our new educational charity, Best,” he continues. “I am very much looking forward to working with all the PPMA team and the board of directors, and to meeting many of our members throughout the rest of the year.”
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Lacrosse -- Coaching
Found in 5 Collections and/or Records:
DU Lacrosse Photos vs. Air Force, 2006 April 29
Identifier: U300.06.0046.00114
Scope and Contents From the Collection: The bulk of the records in this collection have been generated by the Media Relations unit, which is an administrative unit within the University of Denver Division of Athletics and Recreation. These records include: media guides, game programs, team rosters, press releases, photographs, and related promotional materials.
Dates: 2006 April 29
Found in: Special Collections and Archives / U300, Division of Athletics and Recreation Records / Working Files, 1936-1999 / Box 46
DU Lacrosse Photos vs. Ohio State (4/22/05). vs. Butler (4/24/05), 2005 April 22-24
Dates: 2005 April 22-24
DU Lacrosse Photos vs. Villanova (3/19/05). vs. Harvard (4/2/05), 2005 March 19-April 2
Dates: 2005 March 19-April 2
Lacrosse Stadium, 2005 December 30
Dates: 2005 December 30
Peter Barton Stadium Dedication, 2005
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NetSupport Manager Version 9.0 PC Management and Remote Control Software Announced
New version offers Pocket PC and Linux support
Alpharetta, GA – November 10, 2004 – NetSupport, Inc. announces the release of NetSupport Manager Version 9.0. The PC remote control software includes new features to improve desktop management and support initiatives of IT professionals in corporations, educational organizations, and government institutions. NSM 9.0 offers Pocket PC Support for extended mobile device support and Linux support to compliment its existing Windows and Macintosh* support. (Note: Mac support is compatible with VNC Client.)
“CIOs are increasing their technology spent to build their businesses and successfully compete in a changing market. As investments in technology grow, so does the need for supporting these complex environments,” states Dave Auwarter, President of NetSupport, Inc. “With NSM, IT professionals can increase their organization’s effectiveness in supporting both network and mobile-based users, help desks can handle a large number of support calls without increasing support staff, and IT departments can reduce downtime and respond to network issues immediately. IT departments are then better able to align their IT objectives with corporate strategies and contribute to the bottom line.”
NetSupport Manager 9.0 also introduces a range of feature enhancements including “Monitor Mode” detailing a thumbnail view of all remote PCs, a “whiteboard” function where a range of screen highlighting tools are available to aid training within a chat/multi-chat session, significant performance improvements, and an overall revision to the user interface.
About NetSupport Manager
Created in 1989, NSM enables system administrators, technical support managers, and telecommuters to remotely access, control, and manage remote or networked PCs. NSM features a range of powerful, secure tools designed to deliver a complete remote PC maintenance and support solution over a LAN, WAN, and the Internet. NetSupport Manager provides speedy, secure remote PC access, dynamic inventory, automated scripting and scheduling, file transfer, remote deployment, system monitoring, help requests, and much more. NetSupport Manager can be used to manage help desk support, mobile computing, desktop management, software training, and system automation.
About NetSupport, Inc.
NetSupport is a provider of desktop management, remote support, help desk and instructional training software. For information on NetSupport's products and a free 30-day trial, visit http://www.netsupport-inc.com or call 1-888-665-0808.
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Software Releases webMethods Application Modernization Suite
Suite brings SOA, universal data access, and Web enablement to mainframes
Software AG released its webMethods Application Modernization Suite that it says revitalizes and extends mainframe applications. The leverages the company’s experience in service-oriented architectures (SOA) and business process management (BPM) markets, and builds upon nearly forty-years of mainframe experience.
Enterprises can use the suite to redeploy existing mainframe functionality and data. As Dr. Peter Kürpick, president and chief product officer for Software AG’s webMethods division, explained in a company-issued statement, “For too long, enterprises have been left to address their application modernization requirements tactically with stopgap solutions. With mainframe systems here to stay, we believe that a more strategic approach is required. While Web enablement and data integration address significant requirements, long-term business agility can only be achieved when an organization can leverage its mainframe assets within an enterprise SOA. This ensures that critical functionality is readily accessible across all of the core business processes of the enterprise.”
The webMethods Application Modernization Suite includes new products, updated Software AG tools, and webMethods assets that were acquired recently. It combines a “low-risk, non-invasive Web enablement solution, a standards-based mainframe data integration solution, and technologies for enterprise-scale SOA enablement, governance, lifecycle management and deployment,” the company says.
The suite is available in several versions:
Web Edition can transform “green screen” applications into Web interfaces
SQL Edition provides users with a unified real-time view of enterprise data from within nearly any enterprise application or reporting tool, offering real-time, SQL-based access and a unified view of one or more relational and non-relational data sources (including Adabas, VSAM, C-ISAM, DISAM, RMS, DataFlex, Powerflex, Oracle, DB2, SQL Server, Rdb, Sybase, and Informix)
SOA Edition helps IT manage services for optimal performance and maximum return; the bundle includes webMethods ApplinX (service enablement of application screen flows), webMethods EntireX (service enablement of programming logic), the webMethods ESB (service orchestration and runtime deployment), and CentraSite (service governance and lifecycle management)
WebMethods EntireX v8.0, available now, has been updated to include integration with the webMethods ESB, support for large CICS message sizes, enhanced COBOL support, Reliable & Asynchronous Service Calls, and simplified configuration.
For more information, visit http://www.SoftwareAG.com/AppMod.
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Verdict for the third EUNAVFOR case in Kenya
EU NAVFOR welcomes the third judgment, which was delivered on 29 September, in a Kenyan prosecution in connection with the interdiction of a pirate group by an EU NAVFOR warship.
The conviction involved eleven Somali men accused of acts of piracy. The presiding Magistrate, the Hon Ole Tanchu, delivered the verdict at the Mombasa Law Courts on 29 September, sentencing the eleven Somali men accused to prison sentences of five years.
The conviction relates to the attack on the Merchant Vessel SAFMARINE ASIA on 15 April 2009. On that day, the Liberia-flagged MV SAFMARINE ASIA came under sustained small arms and Rocket Propelled Grenade (RPG) attack from two skiffs that were operating in close company with a mother ship. Following a distress call from the stricken container ship, the helicopter from French warship FS NIVOSE quickly arrived on the scene to deter the hijacking and shadow the mother vessel until the warship arrived and intercepted the pirates.
To date, EU NAVFOR has transferred 92 individuals to the Kenya authorities for prosecution in the Kenyan national courts. Earlier on this month, the Kenya authorities already sentenced 14 men to 5 years imprisonment each.
Prosecutions are conducted by Kenyan prosecutors under Kenyan Law before a single magistrate. EU NAVFOR officers work closely with Kenyan prosecutors and the local police with regard to the preparation of the prosecution case.
The maximum sentence upon conviction for piracy offences in Kenya is life imprisonment; under Kenyan Law – and indeed as a pre-condition for suspected pirates being transferred by EU NAVFOR – capital punishment is not available. In all cases, the accused persons have had the benefit of legal representation.
Read more at: https://eunavfor.eu/verdict-for-the-third-eunavfor-case-in-kenya/
Verdict for EUNAVFOR case in Kenya
Verdict for the fourth EUNAVFOR case
Verdict for the first EU NAVFOR case in Kenya
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Elders devoted to keep gong tradition alive in Tuong Duong
NDO – Gongs are typical musical instruments of the Thai, O Du and H’mong ethnic people in the mountainous district of Tuong Duong, Nghe An Province. The instruments are also an indispensable part in the locals’ traditional festivals and celebrations. The traditional practice of gongs has been well preserved thanks to whole-hearted efforts of local elders and patriarchs. (Jan 08, 2020 17:01:32)
[Infographic] ‘Then’ practice inscribed on Representative List of the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity (Jan 07, 2020 10:02:24)
Seven more special national heritages recognised (Jan 05, 2020 14:31:10)
Exhibition reveals calligraphy of Nguyen dynasty Kings (Jan 04, 2020 11:29:31)
Bac Ninh preserves, develops Quan Ho folk songs (Dec 24, 2019 10:07:48)
More important evidence found related to historic 1288 Bach Dang Victory (Dec 22, 2019 16:31:17)
Wooden block exhibition on Vietnam’s names and capitals held
NDO – An exhibition featuring names and capitals of Vietnam carved on wooden printing blocks of the Nguyen dynasty opened at Da Lat University, Da Lat City, on December 18.
Technology connects heritages with community
NDO – Many types of heritage struggle to impress the public, particularly the younger generation; however, with the support of technology, heritages have been promoted in a completely new way that allow viewers interact with them.
Vietnam’s ‘Then’ practice honoured as UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity
NDO – ‘Then’, an essential ritual practice in the spiritual life of Tay, Nung and Thai ethnic people in Vietnam, has been added to the UNESCO Representative List of the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity, announced the Cultural Heritage Department under the Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism on December 13.
Community’s role in preserving and promoting Hoi An heritage’s values
NDO – An international conference named “Hoi An Cultural Heritage - 20 years of conservation and sustainable development orientation" took place in Hoi An city, on December 3, as part of activities to celebrate the 20th anniversary of UNESCO’s recognition of Hoi An ancient town.
PM attends ceremony to hand over results of intangible cultural heritages research
NDO - Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc attended a handing-over ceremony for the research results on the intangible cultural heritages by folklore researcher Nguyen Hai Lien in Hanoi on November 23.
Cultural heritage and tourism festival to feature interesting activities
NDO – The 2019 Cultural Heritage and Tourism Festival, themed ‘Cultural heritage in integration and development’, will be held at the Vietnam Exhibition Centre for Culture and Arts in Hanoi from November 21-26.
Old Quarter hosts cultural activities to mark Vietnam Cultural Heritage Day
NDO – A series of activities will be held from November 22 to December 15 in Hanoi’s Old Quarter to honour the capital city’s cultural heritages.
Retaining the vitality of ‘Bai Choi’ folk singing
Oct 20, 2019 15:58:31
NDO – The constant changes in contemporary life have pushed the art of ‘Bai Choi’ folk singing, which was recognised by the UNESCO as an Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity, to the brink of being forgotten. However, thanks to the whole-hearted efforts from local residents and authorities of Quang Ngai Province, the art form’s beautiful melodies and vitality have been well preserved and promoted among the younger generation.
Decoration art in traditional costume of Red Dao people recognised as national heritage
NDO – The Tuyen Quang provincial Department of Culture, Sports and Tourism in coordination with Na Hang district’s authorities hosted a ceremony on October 12 to receive a certificate honouring the decoration art in traditional costumes of local Red Dao ethnic groups as a national intangible heritage.
Keo Hanh Thien Pagoda recognised as national intangible cultural heritage
NDO – People's Committee of Xuan Truong district, Nam Dinh province held a ceremony on October 8 to receive a certificate honouring Keo Hanh Thien Pagoda as a national intangible cultural heritage and open Keo Hanh Thien Pagoda Festival 2019.
Fish sauce, pottery in central region recognised as heritage
NDO/VNA – Two traditional trades – fish sauce in Nam O Village in Da Nang and Thanh Ha pottery in Hoi An – have been recognised as National Intangible Heritage by the Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism, contributing more cultural value to the two tourism hubs in central Vietnam.
Young businesswoman promotes water puppetry art to the South
NDO - With the desire to preserve and promote the unique water puppet art of the nation, a young girl named Hoang Huong Giang has implemented a bold project: building a miniature water puppet stage right in the heart of District 1, Ho Chi Minh City.
Festival honours artistic value of ‘Cheo’ artform
NDO – The 2019 National Cheo (popular opera) Festival opened in the northern province of Bac Giang on September 14, bringing together nearly 1,000 artists from 16 art troupes and clubs across the country.
Late president’s relics help spread Ho Chi Minh’s values, ideas and morals: Deputy PM
NDO – The conservation and promotion of the President Ho Chi Minh Monument in the Hanoi-based Presidential Palace has contributed to the spreading of the late president’s values, ideas and morals, Deputy Prime Minister Vu Duc Dam has said.
Activities to celebrate UNESCO recognition of Hoi An and My Son
Da Nang moves to pervade unique value of Bai choi singing Creative methods to promote heritages, tourism and new art forms Quang Nam on right track to preserve world’s cultural heritage Locals essential to heritage value preservation, promotion: workshop Two World Heritage sites celebrate 20 years of UNESCO recognition
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More prehistoric remains found in Krong No volcanic caves
The National Museum of Nature on September 18 announced new details on a discovery of prehistoric corpses in the volcanic caves in Krong No, the central highlands province of Dak Nong.
VNA Wednesday, September 19, 2018 10:41
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A copy of the remains of a young boy found in a volcanic cave. (Source: VNA)
Hanoi (VNA) - The National Museum of Nature on September 18 announced new details on a discovery of prehistoric corpses in the volcanic caves in Krong No, the central highlands province of Dak Nong.
A report filed earlier this month to demonstrate the Krong No volcanic park in Dak Nong meets UNESCO criteria for recognition as a global geopark also revealed that the corpse of a young boy had been discovered in one of the area’s many caves.
Museum director Nguyen Trung Minh’s recent announcement said the excavation had uncovered two additional corpses, all of which date back nearly 7,000 years. Pieces of ceramics, stone and animal bones were also found in the cave.
This finding is the first of its kind in the area, Minh said, adding “it is a shocking discovery – the Krong No volcanic cave system is one of the largest of its kind, and the only one in Southeast Asia where we have found traces of prehistoric people.”
These remains also bolster the site’s case for recognition as a UNESCO site.
Professor Nguyen Lan Cuong, General Secretary of the Vietnam Archaeology Association, said the three corpses included two adults and a child of about four years old.
The bodies were found around one metre below the surface of the cave, surrounded by trace remains of ten total corpses.
The finding opens a new chapter in the study of Vietnam’s anthropology.
Scientists have also found traces of fires and rubbish, suggesting each cave had a designated purpose. Some could have served as long-term residences while others were merely temporary hunting camps.
The discovery happened thanks to a research project, chaired by La The Phuc of the National Museum of Nature, designed to establish a museum at Krong No on the cave heritage of the central highlands.
The museum will coordinate with experts in the coming months to continue research into the prehistoric people of the red basalt area. Scientists will propose areas for further study on the topic of volcanic cave archaeology in Southeast Asia.
The cave system, which stretches some 25 kilometres, was first discovered in 2007. It demonstrates a structure typical of caves formed by volcanic activity, and also contains traces of vegetables from millions of years ago.-VNA
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Bulletin 4
Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland Bulletin 4 - 2004
Review of Survey activities 2003
Editors: Martin Sønderholm & A.K. Higgins
The Review of Survey activities presents a selection of 23 papers reflecting the wide spectrum of activities of the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland, from the microbial to the plate tectonic level.
The Survey's activities in Denmark are documented by ten papers. These include discussion of the complex history of hydrocarbon filling of Danish chalk fields, the possibilities for CO2 storage in Denmark and other European countries, and the geothermal potential of Denmark. Also covered is the search for new aquifers, several aspects of groundwater vulnerability to pesticide leaching, the various cutting-edge technologies used for groundwater analysis, the environmental history of Danish lakes and the distribution and transport of sediments along the North Sea coast of Denmark. One paper deals with the management of environmental data using the Internet.
The Survey's activities in Greenland and around the Faroe Islands are reported in ten articles. In Greenland, activities in 2003 were focused on West Greenland. Papers include a documentation of evidence for possible Jurassic source rocks off West Greenland, and reports on a mapping campaign in the Archaean province of central West Greenland that included exploration for gold and diamonds. The influence of climate change on the Greenland Inland Ice and its outlet glaciers is presented in two papers. On and around the Faroe Islands, seismic properties of basalts have been studied in detail and a geohazard study has been completed in Faroese offshore areas. The investigations relating to possible extended continental shelf claims off Greenland and the Faroe Islands that were initiated in 2003 are also outlined.
The Survey's international activities, funded by the European Union and various national and international funds for aid to developing countries, are the subject of three papers. The PROTECT project aiming at prediction of chalk cliff collapse is reported on, as well as two developing aid projects in cooperation with the Geological Survey Department of Ghana and the Vietnam Petroleum Institute.
Colophon, Contents, Review of Survey activities (pdf, 0,6 Mb)
K. Sørensen
Activities in Denmark
The history of hydrocarbon filling of Danish chalk fields (pdf, 0.2 Mb)
P. Frykman, O.V. Vejbæk, N. Bech and C.M. Nielsen
Assessing the European potential for geological storage of CO2: the GESTCO project (pdf, 0.2 Mb)
N.P. Christensen and M. Larsen
Geothermal energy in Denmark (pdf, 0.3 Mb)
L.H. Nielsen, A. Mathiesen and T. Bidstrup
The Billund delta: a possible new giant aquifer in central and western Jutland (pdf, 0.4 Mb)
E.S. Rasmussen, K. Dybkjær and S. Piasecki
Pesticide leaching in Danish groundwater: identification of vulnerable areas (pdf, 0.2 Mb)
E. Nygaard, V. Ernstsen, C.S. Jacobsen, O.H. Jacobsen, R.K. Juhler, P. van der Keur, S.E. Olesen, J. Rasmussen, P. Rosenberg and H. Vosgerau
Immunological analysis of pesticides: a new tool in groundwater testing (pdf, 0.1 Mb)
J. Aamand, L. Bruun and C.B.V. Christensen
Direct analysis of microbial populations in soil and freshwater aquifers by using nucleic acid based techniques (pdf, 0.1 Mb)
C.S. Jacobsen, J. de Lipthay, M. Bender, L. Fredslund, A.R. Johnsen and K. Johnsen
Using the geological record to assess the changing status of Danish lakes (pdf, 0.1 Mb)
E.G. Bradshaw and P. Rasmussen
Sediment distribution and transport in the shallow coastal waters along the west coast of Denmark (pdf, 0.3 Mb)
J.O. Leth, B. Larsen and D. Anthony
Environmental data and the Internet: openness and digital data management (pdf, 0.4 Mb)
J. Tulstrup
Activities in Greenland and the Faroe Islands
Age of oils in West Greenland: was there a Mesozoic seaway between Greenland and Canada? (pdf, 1 Mb)
J.A. Bojesen-Koefoed, H.P. Nytoft and F.G. Christiansen
Seismic and petrophysical properties of Faroe Islands basalts: the SeiFaBa project (pdf, 0.3 Mb)
P. Japsen, M.S. Andersen, L.O. Boldreel, R. Waagstein, R.S. White and M. Worthington
Geohazard studies offshore the Faroe Islands: slope instability, bottom currents and sub-seabed sediment mobilisation (pdf, 0.7 Mb)
T. Nielsen and A. Kuijpers
Exploring for extended continental shelf claims off Greenland and the Faroe Islands - geological perspectives (pdf, 0.7 Mb)
C. Marcussen, F.G. Christiansen, T. Dahl-Jensen, M. Heinesen, S. Lomholt, J.J. Møller and K. Sørensen
Gold in central West Greenland - known and prospective occurrences (pdf, 0.2 Mb)
A. Steenfelt, H. Stendal, B.M. Nielsen and T.M. Rasmussen
Investigating the diamond potential of southern West Greenland (pdf, 0.7 Mb)
S.M. Jensen and K. Secher
Low-pressure metamorphism during Archaean crustal growth: a low-strain zone in the northern Nagssugtoqidian orogen, West Greenland (pdf, 0.7 Mb)
A.A. Garde, M.S. Christiansen, J.A. Hollis, S. Mazur and J.A.M. van Gool
Epithermal gold and massive sulphide mineralisation in oil impregnated Palaeogene volcanic rocks of Ubekendt Ejland, West Greenland (pdf, 1.4 Mb)
S. Bernstein and C. Knudsen
Towards an assessment of the balance state of the Greenland Ice Sheet (pdf, 0.7 Mb)
C.E. Bøggild, C. Mayer, S. Podlech, A. Taurisano and S. Nielsen
Jakobshavn Isbræ, West Greenland: the 2002–2003 collapse and nomination for the UNESCO World Heritage List (pdf, 0.3 Mb)
A. Weidick, N. Mikkelsen, C. Mayer and S. Podlech
Prediction and risk evaluation of chalk cliff collapse: the PROTECT project (pdf, 0.4 Mb)
S.A.S. Pedersen and I. Møller
Co-operation with the Geological Survey Department of Ghana (pdf, 0.6 Mb)
F. Kalsbeek, B. Hermansen, C. Knudsen, L. Thorning and M. Thorsen
Petroleum potential of sedimentary basins in Vietnam: long-term geoscientific co-operation with the Vietnam Petroleum Institute (pdf, 0.3 Mb)
L.H. Nielsen and I. Abatzis
Review of Survey activities
Kai Sørensen, director
One of the last visible relics of the pre-fusion history of the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland (GEUS), the two separate Bulletin series for Greenland and Denmark, respectively, ceased to appear in late 2003. Almost a decade after the merging of the Geological Survey of Denmark (DGU) and the Geological Survey of Greenland (GGU), the two Bulletin series were merged to form the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland Bulletin, the first issue of which is the monumental The Jurassic of Denmark and Greenland. With the closure of the two old series, a long-standing tradition of publishing an annual Review of Greenland activities was brought to an end. Everyone in GEUS, not least those who grew up within the former DGU, agree that the Review of Greenland activities was a high-quality, enjoyable-to-read review of the new Survey s Greenland activities. It was therefore a natural progression to publish a review volume covering the full spectrum of activities of the entire institution, a Review of Survey activities intended for a professional, but not specialist, readership. In order to keep the volume to a manageable size, all articles have been restricted to a four-page limit.
Thanks to the diverse geology of Denmark and Greenland, and the reliance of society on resources hosted in the subsurface, GEUS as a survey has been generously endowed by nature. However, as for many other geological surveys in western Europe direct financial government appropriations for GEUS have decreased significantly during the past several years. Increasing funding from external scientific foundations and commercial sources has proved to be a partial compensation. Furthermore, the Survey has extended the traditional scope of its activities to also include capacity-building projects in several developing countries within the fields of institutional development, geological mapping, petroleum geology, mineral exploration and hydrogeology. Despite recent hardships, including an inevitable loss of personnel, the size, relevance and quality of the geological output of the Survey are still undergoing a healthy development.
The articles contained in this bulletin review many of the principal activities of the Survey in 2003; they reflect the diversity of our Survey, from the microbial to the plate tectonic level. Of the 23 articles, 20 measure directly the extent to which the Survey s activities have been driven by external demand, inasmuch as they describe activities which have been undertaken for external customers or rely on external sources for a significant funding contribution. Funding for these 20 projects has come from national and international research funds, from the petroleum industry, from ministries and counties, from the Bureau of Minerals and Petroleum of the Greenland Home Rule Government, and from national and international funds for aid to developing countries. It is expected that the focus on applied geological projects will also be reflected in future volumes of Review of Survey activities.
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Home » Romeo and Juliet
Lord Denney’s Players 2019 production will be An Excellent and Conceited Tragedy of Romeo and Juliet. Probing the nature of love, violence and language itself, this intricate coming-of-age tragedy has withstood the test of time as one of Shakespeare’s best-loved and most performed plays.
This year’s production will take an experimental approach to this classic story. Our production will be set in a society out of time, defined entirely by the all-consuming violence of the feuding houses. We aim to explore young people’s resistance to deeply held collective beliefs and investigate their role in effecting social change.
The production will use an adaptation of the First Quarto version of the text. The First Quarto text is considerably shorter than the “canonical” Second Quarto version, features richly detailed stage directions, and contains interesting textual variations.
Performances will be held at 7:30 p.m. on April 4-6 and 11-13 at the Van Fleet Theatre of the Columbus Performing Arts Center (549 Franklin Ave). Get your tickets here!
Romeo— Lior Livshits, first-year majoring in theatre and economics
Juliet— Jordan Booker, second-year majoring in theatre, English creative writing and music
Nurse— Anna Cotterman, second-year majoring in environmental policy and decision making
Benvolio— Joey Hoffmann, fourth-year majoring in English
Capulet— Joseph Glandorf, third-year majoring in philosophy and political science
Lady Capulet— Devon Mushalko, sixth-year majoring in music and English
Friar Laurence— Matthew Mayberry, fourth-year majoring in English
Mercutio— Ellie Rogers, alumna of theatre
Tybalt— John Jude, second-year majoring in anthropology
Prince— Natalie Dalea, fifth-year majoring in English
Paris— Antony Shuttleworth, faculty of English
Montague/Ensemble— Kallen Alsdorf, third-year majoring in English and art history
Lady Montague/Ensemble— Nicole Neifert, first-year in exploration
Balthazar— Abbi Voda, alumna of English
Peter— Hannah Nelson, third-year majoring in English and anthropology
Apothecary/Ensemble— Joe Flynn, third-year majoring in English and history
Friar John/Ensemble— Amita Kharabe, first-year in exploration
Ensemble— Kelly Kline, second-year majoring in linguistics
Ensemble— Jenny Morrison, first-year majoring in English and theatre
Director— Cat McAlpine, communications manager at Cloudbreak Health; alumna of English and linguistics
Assistant Director— Joseph Glandorf
Stage Manager— Hannah Woods, third-year majoring in English and Russian
Assistant Stage Manager— Hannah Nelson
Dramaturge— Joseph Glandorf
To keep up with the production, follow Lord Denney’s Players on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.
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“between” vs. “among”
Today I was cut off in the middle of the following sentence:
Between Cook, Strauss, and Pietersen—
My friend said I was wrong. He said that for more than two entities, among/amongst are used, and that between is only for two entities.
I vaguely remember some rule like this, but I asked him to hear the whole sentence, which was:
Between Cook, Strauss, and Pietersen, they’ve notched up 56 centuries in Test cricket.
Should I have used among here? Seems correct to me to use between, but my friend was certain.
Another friend pointed out the following sentence:
I’m still choosing between Harvard, Yale, and MIT.
Certainly among doesn’t seem to fit here, and she, to me, was correct in using between.
word-choice prepositions among-between is-it-a-rule
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AkinAkin
GrammarGirl did a whole post on this. She explains that there is a difference between between and among. She writes:
Here's the deal: you can use the word “between” when you are talking about distinct, individual items even if there are more than two of them. For example, you could say, "She chose between Harvard, Brown, and Yale" because the colleges are individual items.
She goes on to explain that in the following cases, you use the two slightly differently:
Relationships: The Chicago Manual of Style describes these as one-to-one relationships. Sometimes they are between two items, groups, or people, as in these sentences:
Choose between Squiggly and Aardvark.
Let's keep this between you and me.
Other times they can be between more than two items, groups, or people as in these sentences:
The negotiations between the cheerleaders, the dance squad, and the flag team were going well despite the confetti incident.
The differences between English, Chinese, and Arabic are significant.
On the other hand, you use “among” when you are talking about things that aren't distinct items or individuals; for example, if you were talking about colleges collectively you could say, "She chose among the Ivy League schools." If you are talking about a group of people, you also use “among”:
Fear spread among the hostages.
The scandal caused a division among the fans.
Squiggly and Aardvark are among the residents featured in the newsletter.
Part of a Group: “Among” can also indicate that someone is part of a group or left out of a group, as in these examples:
He was glad to find a friend among enemies.
She felt like a stranger among friends.
Sylvia was later found living among the natives.
From this, you were correct in your use of between. "Cook et. al." formed part of a distinct group of individuals, so you would use between.
simchonasimchona
Cook at. al. are, in this context, part of a group: the England Cricket team. (And with any luck, tomorrow, Cook will pick up a double century.) – Richard Aug 11 '11 at 21:40
Clear explanation! Nice answer. – Gurpreet Apr 24 '16 at 12:22
This is why I hate these Cambridge ESL books teaching ESL leaner's the wrong grammar. – Happy Feb 24 '19 at 11:45
Prescriptivist Poppycock
You should in this instance trust your own ear, not your friend’s opinion that there is a rule that says you are wrong. There isn’t, and you aren’t. Between has never been restricted to two items alone. In the citations below, this non-rule your friend alludes to is variously called a persistent but unfounded notion, a superstition slow to die, and prescriptivist poppycock.
A Rule That Doesn’t Rule
I recommend William Safire’s “On Language” column entitled “Betwixt Among And Between”. Safire answers — and at length — a correspondent who encountered much the same quandary as you did. He rightly calls the bogus “rule” that your friend sought to impose on you “a rule that doesn’t really rule”; one that “hangs on with no real authority”. Safire then goes on to try to discover who was first responsible for this nonsense.
Where did the “rule” begin? Who laid this guilt on Ms. Thorp? “Between is properly used of two,” Samuel Johnson wrote in his dictionary of 1755, “and among of more.” He saw tween as meaning “twain, two,” and therefore decided that it would be “proper” to limit the division to two. He did notice, however, that not everybody was as fastidious as him (or, as he would say, as he): “But perhaps,” he added, “this accuracy is not always preserved.”
Whether it is the esteemed Dr Johnson or anyone else doing the judging, a word’s meaning or “correctness” can never be judged by studying what the original words that gave rise to the current word once meant. This is called the etymological fallacy. It is never sound reasoning: words mean only what they mean here and now, not what they might have meant somewhen else.
Later lexicographers took issue with Johnson’s statement. Fowler calls this notion that one must always use between for two and never more than that a superstition that dies hard. Not long after Johnson, Noah Webster wrote in his dictionary of 1828 that between is not restricted to two, and the current entry for between in Merriam-Webster further expands upon this rebuttal:
There is a persistent but unfounded notion that between can be used only of two items and that among must be used for more than two. Between has been used of more than two since Old English; it is especially appropriate to denote a one-to-one relationship, regardless of the number of items. It can be used when the number is unspecified 〈economic cooperation between nations〉, when more than two are enumerated 〈between you and me and the lamppost〉 〈partitioned between Austria, Prussia, and Russia — Nathaniel Benchley〉, and even when only one item is mentioned (but repetition is implied) 〈pausing between every sentence to rap the floor — George Eliot〉. Among is more appropriate where the emphasis is on distribution rather than individual relationships 〈discontent among the peasants〉. When among is automatically chosen for more than two, English idiom may be strained 〈a worthy book that nevertheless falls among many stools — John Simon〉 〈the author alternates among modern slang, clichés and quotes from literary giants — A. H. Johnston〉.
OED: “In all senses, between has been, from its earliest appearance, extended to more than two.”
Being an historical dictionary aware of English in all its incarnations, the OED has in every edition disagreed with the idea that between could not be used for more than two. One of its Middle English citations quite specifically writes Betweyn us thre — that is, between us three. And three is without question greater than two.
In the second edition of the OED, this statement is made:
V. 19. In all senses, between has been, from its earliest appearance, extended to more than two. In OE. and ME. it was so extended in sense 1, in which among is now considered better. It is still the only word available to express the relation of a thing to many surrounding things severally and individually, among expressing a relation to them collectively and vaguely: we should not say ‘the space lying among the three points,’ or ‘a treaty among three powers,’ or ‘the choice lies among the three candidates in the select list,’ or ‘to insert a needle among the closed petals of a flower.’
As any native speaker immediately realizes, those four examples which the OED says that we “should not say” are failures as phrases go.
In the various citations the OED provides to document historical uses of between applied to more than two items (the earliest is from 971), these two stand out most ironically, since they are (allegedly) by the same author contradicting himself:
1755 Johnson Dict., ― Between is properly used of two, and among of more; but perhaps this accuracy is not always preserved.
1771 Johnson in Boswell (1826) II. 127, ― I··hope, that, between publick business, improving studies, and domestick pleasures, neither melancholy nor caprice will find any place for entrance.
So if Boswell is correctly quoting Johnson, then Johnson seems to have failed to take his own advice regarding propriety and accuracy. Apparently the good doctor’s native ear got the better of him — and a good thing, too, for it would have sounded silly for him to use among there.
“When zombie rules attack!”
In his Language Log article “Learning to speak Imaginary American”, linguist Mark Liberman identifies Goold Brown’s 1851 Grammar of English Grammars as the progenitor of what Liberman has filed under “prescriptivist poppycock”:
The idea that between must be used for two alternatives, and among for more than two, is a Zombie Rule with a pedigree. It was apparently invented by Goold Brown in 1851, in his Grammar of English Grammars, in order to demonstrate his superiority to earlier grammarians who had “misused” between for more than two alternatives.
If this is the origin point of uncounted mindless repetitions of a bogus rule foisted upon billions of English speakers and learners, it is is illustrative to examine exactly what Brown said and how he said it.
or, if you would,
English Grammars,
Historical and Critical ;
The Whole
Methodically Arranged and Amply Illustrated ;
Forms of Correcting and of Pausing, Improprieties For Correction,
Examples for Parsing, Questions for Examination, Exercises For Writing,
Observations For the Advanced Student,
Decisions and Proofs for the Settlement of Disputed Points,
Occasional Strictures and Defences,
An Exhibition of the Several Methods of Analysis,
A Key to the Oral Exercises :
To Which Are Added
Four Appendixes,
Pertaining Separately to the Four Parts of Grammar.
By Goold Brown,
Formerly Principal of an English and Classical Academy, New York ;
Author of the Institutes English Grammar,
The First Lines of English Grammar, etc.
“So let great authors have their due,
that Time, who is the author of authors,
be not deprived of his due,
which is, farther and farther,
to discover truth.” ―Lord Bacon
New York :
Published By Samuel S. & William Wood,
№ 261 Pearl Street,
(Interesting quote from Lord Bacon, eh? Apparently the truth is something to be “farther” discovered. Hm...)
Could the author of so humbly titled a work truly have attempted to show his “superiority” over previous grammarians, as Liberman writes?
Perhaps not, but let us examine the evidence and decide for ourselves.
Brown answers his own question of
What notice is taken of the application of between, betwixt, among, amongst, amid, amidst?
by observing on page 653 that
Obs. 13. ―Between, or betwixt, is used in in reference to two things or parties ; among, or amonst, amid, or amidst, in reference to a greater number, or to something by which an other may be surrounded : as, “Thou pendulum betwixt a smile and tear.” ―Byron “The host between the mountain and the shore.” ―Id. “To meditate amongst decay, and stand a ruin amidst ruins.” ―Id. In the following examples, the import of these prepositions is not very accurately regarded ; “Ihe Greeks wrote in capitals, and left no spaces between their words.” ―Wilson’s Essay, p. 6. This construction may perhaps be allowed, because the spaces by which words are now divided, occur severally between one word and an other ; but the author might as well have said, “and left no spaces to distinguish their words.” “There was a hunting match agreed upon betwixt a lion, an ass, and a fox.” ―L’Estrange. Here by or among would, I think, be better than betwixt, because the partners were more than two. “Between two or more authors, different readers will differ exceedingly, as to the preference in point of merit.” ―Campbell’s Rhet. p. 162; Jamieson's, 40 ; Murray’s Gram., i, 360. Say, “Concerning two or more authors,” because between is not consistent with the word more. “Rising one among another in the greatest confusion and disorder.” ―Spect. No. 476. Say, “Rising promiscuously,” or, “Rising all at once ; ” for among is not consistent with the distributive term one an other.
Even Brown himself can bring himself only to say that he “thinks” such-and-such would be better. There is no such rule. This is just a peever spouting off his pet peeve in a published format.
The problem is that people mistook a pet peeve for an actual rule of English grammar, like plural subjects taking plural verbs. It might be a usage recommendation (whether sound or otherwise), but a rule of grammar it is not.
But it gets worse. Brown digs his hole still deeper.
On page 657 Brown lays out more than a dozen “mistakes” committed by earlier scholars, and then proceeds on page 948 to “correct” these defects. Collating the originals from page 657 with Brown’s corrigenda from page 948 immediately following each, these are as follows (with all italics exactly as show in Brown, not editorial ones adds by this author):
“The Anglo-Saxons, however, soon quarrelled between themselves for precedence.” ―Constable’s Miscellany, xx, p. 59.
“The Anglo-Saxons, however, soon quarrelled among themselves for precedence.” ―Const. Miso. cor.
“The distinctions between the principal parts of speech are founded in nature.” ―Webster’s Essays, p. 7.
“The distinctions among the principal parts of speech are founded in nature.” ―Webster cor.
“I think I now understand the difference between the active, passive, and neuter verbs.” ―Ingersoll’s Gram. p. 124.
“I think I now understand the difference between the active verbs and those which are passive or neuter.” ―Ingersoll cor.
“Thus a figure including a space between three lines, is the real as well as nominal essence of a triangle.” ―Locke’s Essay, p. 303.
“Thus a figure including a space within three lines, is the real as well as nominal essence of a triangle.” ―Locke cor.
“We must distinguish between an imperfect phrase, a simple sentence, and a compound sentence." ―Lowth’s Gram. p. 117 ; Murray’s, i, 267 ; Ingersoll’s, 280 ; Guy's, 97.
“We must distinguish between an imperfect phrase and a simple sentence, and between a simple sentence and a compound sentence.” ―Lowth, Murray, et al. cor.
“The Jews are strictly forbidden by their law, to exercise usury among one an other.” ―Sale’s Koran, p. 177.
“The Jews are strictly forbidden by their law, to exercise usury towards one an other.” ―Sale cor.
“All the writers have distinguished themselves among one another.” ―Addison.
“All the writers have distinguished themselves among themselves.” ―Addison cor.
“This expression also better secures the systematic uniformity between the three cases.” ―Nutting’s Gram. p. 98.
“This expression also better secures the systematic uniformity of the three cases.” ―Nutting cor.
“When a disjunctive occurs between two or more Infinitive Modes, or clauses, the verb must be singular.’ ―Jaudon’s Gram. p. 95.
“When two or more infinitives or clauses are connected disjunctively as the subjects of an affirmation, the verb must be singular.” ―Jaudon cor.
“Several nouns or pronouns together in the same case, not united by and, require a comma between each.” ―Blair’s Gram. p. 115.
“Several nouns or pronouns together in the same case, require a comma after each ; [except the last, which must sometimes be followed by a greater point.]” ―D. Blair cor.
“The difference between the several vowels is produced by opening the mouth differently, and placing the tongue in a different manner for each.” ―Churchill’s Gram. p. 2.
“The difference between one vowel and an other is produced by opening the mouth differently, and placing the tongue in a different manner for each.” ―Churchill cor.
“Thus feet composed of syllables, being pronounced with a sensible interval between each, make a more lively impression than can be made by a continued sound.” ―Kames, El. of Grit. Vol. ii, p. 32.
“Thus feet composed of syllables, being pronounced with a sensible interval between one foot and an other, make a more lively impression than can be made by a continued sound.” ―Kames cor.
“The superlative degree implies a comparison between three or more.” ―Smith’s Productive Gram. p. 51.
"The superlative degree implies a comparison, sometimes between two, but generally among three or more.” ―Smith cor.
“They are used to mark a distinction between several objects.” ―Levizac’s Gram. p. 85.
“They are used to mark a distinction among several objects.” ―Levizac cor.
There you go. That’s what Brown thought people should be writing. Not only are almost all of Brown’s rewrites less felicitous than the original versions, many are cumbersome, artificial, and tedious. Some are laughably bad. In places his changes even alter the sentence’s very meaning, making it say something other than the original intended.
Liberman was right, for you can see Brown’s condescension bleeding through as he “corrects” the authors of earlier grammars, who apparently just weren’t as smart as Brown (thought that he himself) was.
There is no such “rule”, and there never was.
This is another artificial anti-English “rule” invented by the same set of scolding prescriptivists who took it upon themselves to forbid us from “splitting infinitives” and dangling prepositions off our sentences’ ends. It has no basis in actual English.
Sure, there are indeed places where between won’t comfortably fit, just as there are places where among will not. There are also places where either fits.
But this comfort-zone, or lack thereof, is determined by more than any simplistic yes–no question of whether exactly two parties are involved can ever hope to answer.
tchrist♦tchrist
Wow! Just between me and you I think your answer is a little long, but it is without doubt, the most thorough and well-argued case against the rule: "...that between must be used for two alternatives, and among for more than two" I have ever read! – Mari-Lou A Aug 29 '14 at 4:50
@Mari-LouA I wrote it because I thought that the canonical among-vs-between question that we closed dupes to deserved a more substantive and citable answer than only one that drew on “Grammar Girl” as its primary authority. – tchrist♦ Aug 29 '14 at 10:19
@tchrist - I recently had to do a little research of my own, and found similar results. I hope you don't mind me adding to your comprehensive answer here with some of my findings. – J.R. Mar 13 '15 at 9:08
To decry against the so-called rule is fine; to insist people not follow the rule (ie that they use language the way you think they should) is prescriptivist. I don't see any difference between this and your own prescriptivist statement that ago can never come at the beginning of a sentence. Such a statement lacks imagination. Also @J.R. – pazzo Jun 15 '15 at 15:30
@pazzo Where is this answer insisting that people use language the way tchrist thinks they should? It advocates following your own native-speaker ear and common usage, rather than a prescriptivist ‘rule’. How is that prescriptivist? – Janus Bahs Jacquet Aug 24 '15 at 14:03
This is in my NOAD, check the third paragraph:
Between is used in speaking of only two things, people, etc.: "we must choose between two equally unattractive alternatives."
Among is used for collective and undefined relations of usually three or more: "Agreement on landscaping was reached among all the neighbors."
--->But where there are more than two parties involved, between may be used to express one-to-one relationships of pairs within the group or the sense 'shared by': "There is close friendship between the members of the club."; diplomatic relations between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico.
Between you and I,: between you and he, etc., are incorrect; between should be followed only by the objective case: between you and me,: between you and him, etc.
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two is supported also by etymology - between where tween is from *tweon "two each". (not that etymology is that important in usage) – Unreason Aug 12 '11 at 16:07
There is such a rule, but the rule depends on context:
It is not strictly correct that between is used for two things and among for more than two.
When exactly two entities are specified, between should always be used: “This contract is entered into between the Seller and the Purchaser.”
However, when more than two entities are involved or when the number of entities is unspecified, the word choice depends on what you want to say. Between should be used where the relationship is distinctly one-to-one:
“The agreement was entered into between the Seller, the Purchaser and the Guarantor.”
Among should be used where the entities are considered as a group, mass or collectivity:
“There is consensus among shareholders that this approach be adopted.”
In your sentence, I would definitely have used between, as the relationship is clearly one-to-one. It would make more sense too.
By "correcting" you, your friend was perpetuating a myth that stems from an oversimplification. Here is a usage note from Merriam-Webster:
There is a persistent but unfounded notion that ‘between’ can be used only of two items and that ‘among’ must be used for more than two. ‘Between’ has been used of more than two since Old English; it is especially appropriate to denote a one-to-one relationship, regardless of the number of items.
Wikipedia, in an entry on disputed words, says this:
The traditionalist view is that ‘between’ should only be used when there are only two objects for comparison; and ‘among’ or ‘amongst’ should be used for more than two objects. Most style guides and dictionaries do not support this advice, saying that ‘between’ can be used to refer to something that is in the time, space or interval that separates more than two items. M-W says that the idea that between can be used only of two items is "persistent but unfounded" and AHD4 calls it a "widely repeated but unjustified tradition". The OED says "In all senses, between has been, from its earliest appearance, extended to more than two". Chambers says "It is acceptable to use ‘between’ with reference to more than two people or things", although does state that ‘among’ may be more appropriate in some circumstances.
Frances Peck, in her article "Usage Myths", says that:
When three or more entities relate to each other individually and equally rather than collectively, or when the relationship is not general but reciprocal, ‘between’ is the correct choice. For example: A free trade agreement between (not among) Canada, Mexico, and the United States.
A blogger writes:
It is not strictly correct that ‘between’ is used for two things and among for more than two. When more than two entities are involved or when the number of entities is unspecified, the word choice depends on what you want to say. ‘Between’ should be used where the relationship is distinctly one-to-one: “The agreement was entered into between the Seller, the Purchaser and the Guarantor.” ‘Among’ should be used where the entities are considered as a group, mass or collectivity: “There is consensus among shareholders that this approach be adopted.”
A grammar column summarized, amongst other "debunked myths":
The rule that ‘between’ can only be used with two items, and ‘among’ for more than two, is specious. The real tendency of English is for ‘between’ when the connections are conceptualized as being between individuals, and ‘among’ when the connections are more vague and collective.
Espresso English states:
It is often taught that ‘between’ is used for 2 items and ‘among’ for 3 or more. But this is not completely accurate. The more accurate difference is this:
‘Between’ is used when naming distinct, individual items (can be 2, 3, or more)
‘Among’ is used when the items are part of a group, or are not specifically named (MUST be 3 or more)
Grammar expert Richard Norquist, in a "commonly confused words" column, says:
In general, ‘between’ applies to reciprocal arrangements (one member to another member), and ‘among’ applies to collective arrangements (with all members involved). However .. ‘between’ may apply to more than two members.
Norquist goes on to quote Pam Peters:
‘Between’ was formerly reserved for situations where just two things or people were being related – “shared between husband and wife” – and ‘among’ complemented it when there were three or more: “shared among the relatives.” The restriction on the use of between has certainly gone by the board, and Gowers declared it to be 'superstition' in Complete Plain Words (1954). It is not uncommon for between to be used in expressions referring to more than two groups or reference points, as in “a balance between deference, quotation and his own critical comment.”
A University of Arizona faculty member writes:
The common advice these days is that ‘between’ should be reserved for the comparison of just two entities, and if there are more than two, ‘among’ should be used. What is wrong with this advice? The common advice is wrong because it leads to an incorrect use of ‘among.’
Your very last quote from U of AZ is a succinct summary of the problem: that unthinkingly applying the zombie rule leads to error. – tchrist♦ Mar 13 '15 at 10:48
@tchrist - You noticed I saved the best for last :^) – J.R. Mar 13 '15 at 11:43
Nevertheless, to insist upon this interpretation is as prescriptivist (telling others the correct way to use language) as the so-called traditionalist view. also @tchrist – pazzo Jun 15 '15 at 15:19
@J.R. What I mean is that it would be as prescriptive to insist that people cannot use between and among according to the "rule" (however much one may not like the "rule") as to insist that people should not follow the "rule." I think to decry against the "rule" is okay, if that is one's wont; but it's not okay to decry against usage that is in conformity to the "rule," if that's the way people want to use these words. – pazzo Jun 16 '15 at 1:29
@pazzo - Nothing in my answer says the O.P. couldn't use among. My answer simply debunks the friend's argument that the O.P. can't use between. – J.R. Jun 16 '15 at 9:42
I like Strunk and White's simple example, from The Elements of Style:
When more than two things or persons are involved, among is usually called for: "The money was divided among the four players." When, however, more than two are involved but each is considered individually, between is preferred: "an agreement between the six heirs."
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Traditionally, it was believed that you should use between if you’re talking about two people or things:
"I had to choose between the two jobs."
"The complex has 270 units, divided between two interior plazas."
But use among (or amongst) if you’re referring to more than two people or things:
"Gallery-goers can pick and choose among the DVDs and watch various moments."
"The grant will be divided among all the institutions."
Such advice is now regarded as outdated and out of step with current usage.
In modern English, it’s perfectly acceptable to use between or among in certain contexts when referring to more than two participants.
Here’s how that works in practice: Always use between, not among if you want to talk about a position within two specific points in time or on a scale:
The children were aged between 12 and 16. (correct)✓
The children were aged among 12 and 16. (incorrect)✖
Opt for between if you’re referring to any number of specific (i.e. named) people, groups, or things:
A treaty was drawn up between France, Germany, Italy, and Greece. (correct)✓
A treaty was drawn up among France, Germany, Italy, and Greece. (incorrect)✖
Flights between London and Crete begin in early April. (correct)✓
Flights among London and Crete begin in early April. (incorrect)✖
Use among if the people or things can be regarded collectively (that is, as a group or undifferentiated mass) rather than individually:
There was agreement among members that fees should not be raised. (correct)✓
There was agreement between members that fees should not be raised. (incorrect)✖
The Petronas Towers are among the architectural wonders of the world. (correct)✓
The Petronas Towers are between the architectural wonders of the world. (incorrect)✖
Between is preferred when we talk about a relationship of difference, no matter how many people or things are involved:
The difference between those results is not statistically significant. (correct)✓
The difference among those results is not statistically significant. (incorrect)✖
Bill and Mark swam among the sunken ships.
Bill and Mark swam between the sunken ships.
Both of these sentences are correct English, but they have different meanings. In the first example, as Bill and Mark were swimming, they were surrounded by several sunken ships. In the second example, they had a sunken ship (or ships) to the right of them and another (or others) to the left, and were swimming through the gap in the middle.
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Home Society Abortion ‘Unplanned’ Movie Now Has More Twitter Followers Than Planned Parenthood
‘Unplanned’ Movie Now Has More Twitter Followers Than Planned Parenthood
Bri Lamm
On Friday For Every Mom shared with you about the R-Rated Christian film, “Unplanned,” that was a must-see this weekend!
I may have been a little biased, having the misfortune of reporting on abortion often, but the verdict is in, and box office sales would agree that this movie is making waves.
In spite of a long uphill battle to promote the controversial film, including what was believed to be a major set-back of being slapped with an R-rating, Pure Flix’s “Unplanned” shattered box office expectations in its opening weekend.
The anti-abortion film based on the true life story of Abby Johnson launched in theaters March 29 and earned $6.1 million in over 1,000 venues, doubling revenue expectations projected at $3 million.
But sweeter than crushing it at the box office has to be this:
As of Monday afternoon, “Unplanned” had more Twitter followers than Planned Parenthood.
Abby Johnson took to Twitter with excitement writing, “Look who we just passed in followers.”
Look who we just passed in followers. 😁 #unplannedmovie pic.twitter.com/PCFY7EPp0A
— Abby Johnson (@AbbyJohnson) April 1, 2019
The Twitter account for “Uplanned” was launched in August of 2018 in preparations for promoting the film, while Planned Parenthood’s Twitter account has been active since November of 2011.
As of 3 p.m. on Monday, the “Unplanned” Twitter account had 266.8K followers while the Planned Parenthood Twitter account had just 255.5K followers. And that number has only skyrocketed since then with Unplanned checking in at 328K followers just 24 hours later at the time of this publication.
The rapid growth in followers comes after a weekend of restricted activity for “Unplanned” and Abby Johnson.
It all started Sunday after Johnson announced on Twitter that she wanted share information about her ministry with all of the new followers on the page.
With all of my new followers, I thought I would make an intro for my ministry, @ATTWNministry. We get abortion workers out of abortion clinics, get them new jobs, on a path to healing and then SHUT DOWN their former clinics. More info at https://t.co/8zoJ0MoOdy.
Within just a few hours, Johnson tweeted screen shots showing the “Unplanned” account had lost virtually all of its followers, dropping from well over 100,000 to just 261 with no explanation.
Twitter “accidentally” suspended the “Unplanned” Movie account—something many pro-lifers called a low blow. After it was up and running again, it took several hours and for some, days, to be able to follow the movie page. Many reported the social platform had made it impossible for them to follow the page, or it immediately kicked them off as followers once they hit the little blue button.
@UnplannedMovie follower count is going crazy! 😱 Won’t let me follow! Keeps unfollowing me! 😡 #unplannedmovie #unplanned
— Irina Humphrey (@ivielaneandco) April 1, 2019
According to Twitter, “it takes awhile for a temporarily banned account to come fully online after being re-instated.”
“I think it’s outrageous! I’ve never experienced anything like this in my life,” Ashley Bratcher, the “Unplanned” actress who plays Abby Johnson in the film, told “Fox & Friends” Monday morning. “I think it’s incredibly suspicious given that we were suspended, then reinstated, then we lost followers, then we have people saying they can’t follow, then my own account was unfollowed from the movie. I couldn’t even follow my own movie.”
Despite several hurdles—both socially and politically, nothing could keep Abby’s story from being shared with the world.
Her goal is to “expose the most violent business in human history.” And now she has a platform, a voice, and more followers than said business to do so.
I have a feeling God is up to something here friends. Join me in continued prayers for the unborn, and follow Abby and “Unplanned” the movie on Twitter today!
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Chris Shelton (Galactic Patrol > Jefferson Hawkins • 3 hours ago
From Tony's page by Chris Shelton:
Jeff, I believe what Marty is referring to specifically with his claim of libel is this: "UPDATE 3: Just received this from one of our regular legal helpers: “I think this is the most absurd action by a client that I have seen in my 20 years of practicing, except for actions taken by prisoners or mentally disturbed plaintiffs.” (emphasis mine) That's the only thing Tony has posted on this which could be construed as libel against Monique.
I can't make heads or tails of what is going on and am waiting (rather patiently, I think considering the consequences and ramifications of this) for more data so I can think with his reasoning. Marty and Monique are not insane and are not robots and are not stupid people, so there must be some logical (I did not say "good") explanation for firing Ray and his legal eagle team. What that logical reason could be is anyone's guess at this point because Marty is not saying a damn thing. Considering how much he is aware that this case has been considered a major make-break in the interpretation of Scientology's First Amendment privileges, it is beyond disappointing and in fact somewhat tragic that he would choose to throw in the towel right now. But all we know right now is that Ray Jeffrey is off the case, not that the case itself is off the docket. So we have to wait and see. I hate waiting but we have no other choice.
Re: Red I think that is precisely why she is withdrawing - she wanted CofS out of her life - NOT to fight with them.
Also Tony's post of update #3 was just plain crass. I wouldn't want to give him the time of day if he posted that about me.
tetloj Silver Meritorious Patron
Agree that Mosey is tired and over it - but why fire your litigation team before settlement, when there are stilll matters before the court.
Debbie Cook had Ray J on her side for the settlement
Very curious :confused2:
tetloj, Feb 2, 2016
My bet - they took blood money and part of the deal was to fire the legal team as part of the spin
This is KSW - keeping Scientology working
The only ones who win in Scientology are blown high ranking officials who get blood money in exchange for silence
and cock roach attorney's
everyone else loses
Just think - someone was regged out of their 401 K and IRA and Stock portfolio and inheritance to gag another blown High Ranking Offical ex Scientologist / BDA
Gib Crusader
Knows said: ↑
Gib, Feb 2, 2016
arcxcauseblows Patron Meritorious
who cares about a battle when they won the war, the war is over too scientology just doesn't know it
arcxcauseblows, Feb 2, 2016
WildKat said: ↑
My first thought is maybe they just ran out of money to pay the legal bills. Or were the attorneys working on contingency basis only, i.e. they only get paid IF Rathbuns win?
Or something more fishy is going on?
This could get very interesting.
It's a good point. I have no idea how the legal bills are being paid, but would hazard a guess that Ray Jeffrey was not being paid by the hour as the avalanche of filings, motions, discovery, would be overwhelming. My understanding is that Ray Jeffrey, while not exactly a one many band, has a small law practice unlike the C of S who have employed some of the most prestigious law firms.
What is odd is that there is no replacement of counsel.
programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist
Did they ever request financial aid through internet means to pay legal costs?
programmer_guy, Feb 2, 2016
programmer_guy said: ↑
While I have no inside information, I am confident the following is true to the same extent I am confident the sun will rise in the morning.
Ray Jeffrey was not being paid hourly. Marty and Monique couldn't possibly afford it. Jeffrey had the case on a contingent fee arrangement -- i.e., he fronted all costs (e.g., filing fees, charges for service of process, copying costs etc.) and did the legal work without hourly payment in exchange for a percentage of the recovery (typically 25% to 50%, depending on whether the case is settled before trial, goes to trial, etc.). Thus, the lawyer gets paid only if the lawyer wins.
As I recall, commentator Texas Lawyer on the Underground Bunker (correctly) noted that Ray Jeffrey's statement that they were terminated "without cause" is lawyer-speak for saying they were going to assert a lien on any recovery. Typically, if a contingent fee attorney does significant work on a case, gets fired before there is a recovery, and then the client gets a monetary recovery, the attorney has a lien on the recovery for the value of the services rendered or value added. That rule is designed to prevent a lawyer from being screwed by doing significant -- perhaps years of -- work on a contingent fee case only to have the client fire him right before settlement with the client (or new attorney-client combination) receiving ALL of the money.
This appears to be an amazingly screwed up situation.
Right, so the, 'without cause,' is an indication that the lawyer was not negligent or being dismissed because of incompetence? Monique signed those papers, if I recall, so would have consented.
So the rule that a lawyer who was retained on a contingency basis will still get a percentage of any settlement, with the possibility obviously that if there is no settlement, then the lawyer has absolutely zero control over the negotiations.
If it was a personal issue with Marty and Ray Jeffrey, then there were other lawyers in his firm, so would guess the firing all of them was to send a message, Wow.
I don't think there is a qualifier that your legal team does NOT negotiate the settlement.. I would think that having your legal team negotiate 'outside the court arena' would still be considered an out of court settlement. In other words, the court is left out of the loop and legal teams can be involved OR in this case it seems as though Moniques legal team is not.....that is what seems so weird about this news. But keep in mind this is only the beginning of the release of this news and more detail and facts I hope are sure to follow and too also clarify the whole thing.
""Out-of-Court Settlement
An agreement reached between the parties in a pending lawsuit that resolves the dispute to their mutual satisfaction and occurs without judicial intervention, supervision, or approval.
An out-of-court settlement provides that the parties relinquish their rights to pursue judicial remedies.
West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.""
I believe it's called an out-of-court settlement, when your legal team does not negotiate the settlement. In other words, CoS could contact Monique privately, make an offer, have her sign this private agreement including stipulations (move to Guadalupe...have your names legally changed...don't ever talk about Scientology), deposit the $3M in her account, and then she can dismiss her case and the legal team, who would be paid for their work done.
Of course, something else could have gone on. I still think this is the most likely thing.
The huge advantage for CoS would be saving face. They could spin it as Monique just dropping her case.
Right, so the, 'without cause,' is an indication that the lawyer was not negligent or being dismissed because of incompetence?
Yes, that is correct.
Monique signed those papers, if I recall, so would have consented.
She is the only client in this case. Only she could fire her attorney.
If the attorney was fired without cause, then the attorney will likely get a percentage of any settlement. Such an attorney would have no control or influence over the negotiations. Conversely, if the attorney was discharged "with cause," then the attorney is not entitled to a share of the recovery.
As Debbie Cook's lawyer, Ray Jeffrey would have taken a % from Debbie's settlement. It has been my understanding (educated guess?) that this became a war chest to pay for Mosey's action, contingent on a large settlement there also.
<snip> assert a lien on any recovery. <snip>
Reasonable Silver Meritorious Patron
Ray Jeffrey was not being paid hourly. Marty and Monique couldn't possibly afford it. Jeffrey had the case on a contingent fee arrangement -- i.e., he fronted all costs (e.g., filing fees, charges for service of process, copying costs etc.)...
That being said, he is going to recover costs, I don't think she could simply stop the case and he loses all the time and money he put into the case. Therefore there has to be a settlement involved. Lawyers don't simply lose money, they always protect themselves and Marty is not going to pay him out of his "book and blog" money.
Reasonable, Feb 2, 2016
Originally posted by Mark C. Rathbun here
"Mark my words. Tony Ortega and his unnamed sources will rue this day when they declared Monique Rathbun as fair game and subjected her to intentional libel."
What does Marty mean here? Fairgame, intentional libel, anybody can explain?
Is Marty saying that Tony Ortega and his sources are incorrect, so it's libel? Or that the Church could file a libel case against Monique. No that's not possible, or is it?
I think this has already been answered on this thread.
It is probably regarding the "Update 3" comment on Tony Ortega's blog.
Chess Patron with Honors
I really have many agreements with what you say.
The one thing that makes my butt go really tight within your words is contained within the sentence:
Miscavige will not allow them...
The power miscavige has is absolutely relevant to the ability to view anything within scientology - what a fucking joke that statement is. It is absurd, that idiot is no more than a money junkie and is having a hard time controlling his success at stealing so much money. Marty's and Monique's position is indeed unique but can it be seen that they are so easy bought (eventually)? ABSOLUTELY!
The power and influence of money & lawyers reaches the top level of every society. Can anyone give me any successful politician who isn't a lawyer? Or cannot afford the fees to be so well advised...
Geezers, are we so affected by this anomaly in justice being served that we consider miscavige in a position to dictate, fuck that little asshole.
I know I'm not being exactly realistic, but shit... (once again) fuck that little asshole!
Chess, Feb 2, 2016
Actually terrible sad to hear this is how it vent down.
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Franz Eduard Farwerck was born on March 4th 1889 in Amsterdam in the Netherlands. His German father was Franz Otto Richard Heinrich Farwerck. Farwerck’s father was born around 1856 and his mother, Elise Dorothea Struve, around 1850. The grandfather of the father’s side was also called Franz. In 1888 Farwerck’s parents got married and a year later F.E. was born. There is a younger brother, born in 1892, listening to the name Carl Wilhelm (Willy). Franz remained unmarried. His brother married a woman named Johanna Boris, who appears more frequently under her Latinised name Borrius (also in her own time). We will run into Johanna again. Carl and Johanna had three sons (born 1922, 1925 and 1930). Obituaries of Franz’ parents, his brother, Johanna and himself can be found online. Some names of grandnephews are usually mentioned. Some live in France, some stayed closer to their family.
The family moved to Hilversum probably in 1911. Franz kept living with his parents and personnel, but he is sometimes listed in Rotterdam and he appears to have stayed with his brother in Amsterdam a lot. His mother passed away (apparently after a sickbed) in 1920, his father in 1930 after which Franz inherited the house and personnel.
I have to mention the family business too. Franz and his brother worked together on a number of levels and also sister in law Johanna seems to have joined her husband on different projects. “Work” will be the first subject to look at.
I have found no information about Farwerck’s youth. Only his education is sometimes shortly mentioned.
Farwerck was an extremely productive man and usually very fortunate. He studied in the Netherlands, Germany, France and the UK. Apparently in the same period that he studied he also started to work at a brown-coal factory (1909), two years later he became director (age 22)! Another year later, Farwerck started his own carpet factory which in 1915 merged with another company, which again merged later. Franz, Carl and a certain “J. Farwerck” (Johanna?) are all listed as directors or committee members of carpet factories. Farwerck senior was decorated in 1930 at the 100th anniversary of one of the factories just before he passed away. This event made the papers I found a photo with people including Franz and his father and a better photo of his father, whom Franz looked like a lot. Carl and Johanna’s son and his partner seem to have taken over the business later on.
Farwerck is also mentioned being active in the glass industry, a pottery and in 1933 Franz would also join the counsel of a local bank in the small town where he lived (Hilversum).
He seems to have had social ideas. He told Meijer Polak (about whom later) after the war that he was part of so many committees because he hoped to improve the situation of workers. One way of doing that was by having workers ‘buy in’ obligatory to the company where they worked and give them a influence in return. This influence did not exactly turn out that way, which was not good for Farwerck’s name. His driver (Willem Viereke) even told the same Polak that Farwerck was hated by his employers. Viereke himself did too apparently. He told Polak Farwerck perhaps paid his wages, but had him and his wife starve during the war. The fact that Viereke also had to leave the coach house for Willy Farwerck’s sons (Willy and Johanna moved into the main house) probably did not help.
That said, both in his professional life as in his membership of two organisations (see below) Farwerck said to work for the well-being of his fellow humans. He also had regard for animals it seems, because he appears on the 1894-1918 member list of the Vegetarian Union (19).
and other activities
Hoogenboom (1) describes that Farwerck seems to have had an interest in ‘things spiritual’. Hilversum was a spiritualistic hotspot during his life. Farwerck had neighbours that were mediums and all sorts of seances and gatherings were held in his vicinity. That does not automatically mean that Farwerck visited them all, but a fact is that he wrote a little book about Nostrodamus and he studied the Kabbalah. Also he seems to have been active in Theosophical circles and he certainly was impressed enough to help found a foundation to spread the ideas of Emile Coué (1857-1926) in 1924 (his brother was another founding member as was Van Meerwijk whom we will run into again).
Coué was a French pharmacist who found out that his soothing words accompanying the medicines he provided, worked just as well as the medicines themselves (a placebo effect). He developed a system of auto-suggestion. I have not been able to find out how long this foundation lasted.
Hazrat Inayat Khan (1882-1927), the founder of ‘Universal Sufism’ found enough people to open four centres in the Netherlands in the early 1920’ies. In his autobiography he mentions people who were involved in this initiative. He mentions a “de Heer Farwerck”, not as an early member, but as someone who “took an active part in working” (2).
There is a website, Sufipedia.org, with information about the movement of Inayat Khan, especially in the Netherlands. The website lists many Dutchmen who were active in the early years. “Farwerck, Frans Eduard” is mentioned (with the photo that I ‘made’, probably taken from Wikipedia). “One of the first mureeds (since 1921) of Inayat Khan in the Netherlands. Also he was member of the first National Comity in the Netherlands, in the function of secretary.” (21) Then follows the Wikipedia bio. Assuming that the creator of the website, Paul Ketelaar, is a member and has access to the archives, this information is likely correct. If I’m correct “mureed” means that Farwerck was initiated into the Universal Sufism order. This happened after he became a Freemason (see below). Checking the other biographies and information of Sufipedia.org, a few familiar names appear. Van Tuyll van Serooskerken (I have yet to check why this names rings a bell), Kerdijk (Schlesinger’s wife, early member of Le Droit Humain), Nico Kluwer (1897-1975) who would publish Farwerck’s magnum opus posthumously, and the couple Van Meerwijk who shared other efforts of Farwerck.
I knew that Farwerck was one of the people to found a local Rotary Club in his home town in 1928. Hoogenboom puts the Rotary quite central in Farwerck’s life. It was the Rotary network that got him approached to join the N.S.B. (about which later) and where he may have learned (or tried) to better humanity and protect heritage. According to Hoogenboom it was Farwerck who advocated initiatives for retarded children. Perhaps this is about a society that Farwerck helped to found with the name “De vereeniging tot steun aan maatschappelijk onvolwaardigen”, a very old fashioned name that means something like ‘Society for the aid of socially deficient’. I have found a newspaper advertisement from 1932 to announce a lottery to raise money.
I have the idea that Hoogenboom overlooks the influence of Farwerck’s membership of Le Droit Humain, but as we will see, Farwerck wanted to help people and that is exactly what the Rotary Club was for. Farwerck describes this (as B.J. van der Zuylen) and some history of the Rotary in Bouwsteenen (see below).
In 1933 Farwerck was one of the people who started a local museum with the short name “‘t Goois Museum” (nowadays “Museum Hilversum”). Farwerck contributed an old weaving loom from his factory. This initiative partly came from his Rotary Club. At the 50th anniversary of the museum, a booklet was published. There is an interview with a long-time employee who says that Farwerck did not have much contact with the museum. He remembers him as a “fairly stiff, very aloof” man whose interests included archaeology.
An amusing fact, on March 17th of the same year, a group of artists invite Farwerck to lecture about the history of het Gooi (the area where he lived) and he mentions that it is too bad that there is no museum!
More about the museum and the people behind it here.
René de Clerq (1877-1932) was a Belgian author. With De Clerq’s oldest daughter and one other person, Farwerck founded a De Clerq foundation in 1940 to preserve the author’s legacy.
Also it seems that Franz had something with horses, just as the rest of his family.
History, art, folklore and symbolism
Farwerck was extremely interested in the ways of the ancestors. To Polak he would say in 1947:
My interest for the human races originated when I was 16, when in a museum I saw the remains of a prehistoric man. Ever since I have read every possible scientific publication about this. Gradually I came to the conclusion that heritage played a large role in human nature and what comes from that. (3)
Perhaps another cause for this interest is that in 1917 that a fairly spectacular finding was made on the grounds of a fireplace-factory in his home town, the owner of which would years later be in the same Rotary Club as Farwerck.
When he travelled to Germany for his work after 1913, he seems to have used the occasions to visit as ancient sites, old churches, folklorist events, etc. He probably made photos, but photos that can be found in his books that are made by himself, are usually from the Netherlands.
That he did not only make notes and photos is proven when in January 1940 his villa catches fire. A newspaper article mentions that “the family F. Farwerck” was not at home at the time, but that that extremely cold night “very many pieces of art, including precious paintings” were lost. According to the Ritman Library (4) Farwerck was also “a collector of occult books”. Obviously he was a financially well-off businessman.
There is something weird in this context. In his post-war interviews he says that he was frequently harassed by the “Gestapo” (the secret police of the occupying forces), so this must be after the German invasion of May 1940 and they continued until 1943. During these raids “a library of +/- 1200 valuable, mostly antiquarian masonic books, theosophical etc. literature and critics to the German regime” (23) were taken. So were these all his brothers books or did his library not suffer as much from the fire as I initially thought? I can hardly imagine that within a few years he had a new collection of 1200 valuable books.
As we will see, Farwerck was much opposed to what he called “Bolshevism”, liberalism, equality and globalisation. Before our own era, society was more ‘natural’ and Farwerck saw a decline in old ethics. He was not alone with these ideas and he was not alone in his expectation that events in Germany could bring back these old ethics.
As we saw, at some point Farwerck picked up the subject of history, folklore and the Germanic past. I have not exactly pinpointed how that happened. As we saw in “Farwerck by his writings” Celts and Teutons are shortly mentioned in his first book from 1927. This was not the case in older texts. He must have encountered the subject somewhere, but I have not yet found the source. I do have some information about his ‘Teutonic activities’, so that will be the subject of this section.
In 2013 a book was published about Hendrik Joseph Bellen (1884–1961) (5) an early Dutch amateur archaeologist. Bellen performed some groundbreaking work, but there were also other sides to his work. One is that he had an interest in the theories of the likes of Rudolf Gorsleben (1883-1930), Guido von List (1848-1919) and Herman Wirth (1865-1981).
In 1931 the “Ario-Germaansche Genootschap” (‘Ario-Teutonic Society’) was founded. Among the founders we find Bellen, but also Farwerck and the poet August Heyting (more about whom below). There is supposedly a link to the Edda Gesellschaft of Gorsleben founded in 1925. It was supposed to be a scholarly group investigating “Ario-Teutonic culture”. After the war ‘fellow Theosophist’ Marcel van Velde (1898-1964) was interviewed and he mentions the Ario-Germaanse Genootschap:
In these days there also was “The Ario-Germanic Society” Farwerck took part of the activities of this Society, which occupied itself with the study of the Germanic and Celtic mythology, while for Farwerck center of gravity laid in his interest in symbology such as rune-symbols etc.
This society had not yet have anything to do with politics, it was purely scientific, but has mystical and masonic ideology on the background. (24)
Still Farwerck resigned only days after the foundation of the society (as did Heyting). At least, it does appear that Farwerck was familiar with “Ariosophic” circles.
The mentioned poet Heyting (1879-1949) wrote a lengthy poem called Yggdrasil (1936) and he founded a group to which he lectured and published about his investigations that formed the basis for his poem. The groups name is similar to the group mentioned above. Not exactly the same name is used all the time, but “Kelto-Germaanse Studiekring Yggdrasil” (‘Celto-Teutonic studycircle Yggdrasil’) is the most common. Three volumes with lengthy essays were published together with the poem, so the group must have been around for a while by that time (at least since 1933, see below). Perhaps Heyting and other members who left the Ario-Germaansche Genootschap” went on with the study circle.
Since both signed the founding document of the Ario-Germaansche Genootschap, because Farwerck’s Masonic lodge had an event with Heyting and his group in 1933 and Farwerck lectured for the study circle in 1940. The two must have known each other, probably quite well.
This is all fairly late, but the book about Bellen also gives another clue: Hermann Roeper Wirth (1885-1981). Farwerck sometimes mentions Wirth in his bibliographies. The first time in Levend Verleden (1937) and in most books that were published after. One time Farwerck lists Wirth’s Ura Linda Chronik, but mostly Die Heilige Urschrift Der Menscheit (‘The secret primal language of mankind’), while Wirth has written many more texts. The auction of Farwerck’s library (see below) contains one title of Wirth, Aufgang der Menscheit from 1928 (‘Rise of mankind’). Eickhoff with his fairly ‘anti-Farwerck’ information (16) says that Farwerck was much inspired by Wirth. This may well be true.
Wirth’s life is on some ways similar to that of Farwerck. He had the means to study in his native country the Netherlands and abroad. He had steep rises and deep falls. He was born in Utrecht, not too far from where Farwerck lived, four years before Farwerck. Wirth spent most of his life in Germany, but his studies and lectures were usually about the Netherlands. Even his dissertation was about Dutch folk-song.
The Dutch Wikipedia (17) says: “In 1919 richtte Wirth in Nederland een Völkische Bewegung op.” (‘In 1919 Wirth started a “Folkish Movement” in the Netherlands’). The capitals suggest that this is the name of an organisation (both words are German by the way). There is a biography of Wirth (18) that says nothing of this. The author of that biography, Van Gilst, does mention that in 1920 Wirth founded a “Wandervögel” type youth group for students, so this was a nature-loving, anti-industrialism, romantic group with interest in folklore. Van Gilst also mentions Wirth lecturing in the Netherlands. This could be a time in which Farwerck and Wirth met, even though I have no proof that they ever did. It would be strange if they did not, seeing their similar interests.
Wirth also gave a lecture for the Fries Genootschap (‘Frisian Society’) in 1922 and the archaeologist Bellen also had contacts there. Could he and Farwerck have gone to listen?
In 1935 Wirth found help with Heinrich Himmler to start the Ahnenerbe. In 1937 he was removed. Farwerck is mentioned to have been in contact with the Ahnenerbe on behalf of the Der Vaderen Erfdeel group from the same year on. Not with Wirth of course, but there is another tiny Wirth / Farwerck connection there.
Farwerck seldom refers to non-scholarly books, but in spite of the fact that Wirth had mostly enemies in academic circles, Farwerck does seem to have thought that Wirth was a credible enough source. At least Farwerck knew people in more ‘speculative’ circles and the above suggests that his ‘German interests’ could have sprouted from such ‘speculative’ circles.
A last and good candidate for Farwerck’s inspiration is Egbert Smedes (1889-1975). Smedes was a teacher, clerk, Freemason (of another organisation) and from 1938 he started to publish about the Germanic origins of Masonic symbolism. Farwerck knew these writings (they appear in his bibliographies). The time-frame fits perfectly.
Smedes and Farwerck moved in the same circle. Texts of Smedes were published by Kluwer (who was also member of the Sufi order that Farwerck joined) in a periodical that other people that Farwerck knew published in. Also they were both published in a small, archaeological periodical years later. They likely knew each other.
Farwerck has been a member (or: an active member) of the Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging (‘National-Socialist Movement’, from here on N.S.B.) from 1932 until at least 1943 (in 1940 he ended his active membership though). Yet this is the period of his life he is best known for and which is best documented. This documentation gives, in a way, the best insight into the mind of the man.
In 1931 the N.S.B. was founded by Anton Mussert (1894-1946) and Cornelis van Geelkerken (1901-1976). The N.S.B. had one leader: Mussert. The organisation even became some sort of Mussert cult.
It seems that the founder of the N.S.B. (Mussert), a Rotary Club member, approached another Rotary Club member to ask Farwerck (also member) to contact Mussert. Mussert was looking for a new head of “Division 3” (Propaganda). Mussert and Farwerck soon became friends, but did not know that they had been watched by a variety of people from the start. Farwerck ‘invested’ a whopping ƒ 100.000,- (well over $ 50.000,-!) in Mussert’s organisation. That may have helped the friendship.
According to De SS en Nederland (‘SS and the Netherlands’) (6) Farwerck was active in the N.S.B. from 1932. This is interesting for several reasons. A year prior he left the Ario-Germaansche Genootschap possibly because of its politics, so how comes that he joins an obviously political party now? Also it explains hardships in the end of his ‘Masonic career’ (about which later). Farwerck did have something to say about this after the war:
I became member, based on social views that I have tried to put into practice on a small scale in the glass-factory in Leerdam […]. I hoped these to put into practice on a larger scale within the N.S.B. The leadershipprinciple of the N.S.B. was no objection for me, since I didn’t see dictatorial arbitrariness, but just a managerial principle. (25)
It could be because he encountered people with similar “folkish” ideas as his own that Farwerck joined the N.S.B. De SS en Nederland (6) says that Evert Jan Roskam (1892-1974) may have been the first “folkish” thinker in the N.S.B. “Farwerck was undoubtedly the instigator and activator” of this line of thinking. He gathered a group of “folkish” people, often called ‘the Farwerck group’ by later authors. This group was not really interested in the political side of the N.S.B. and was frowned upon by the majority of the movement. They were influential though, not in the last place because Farwerck and Mussert were on very good terms.
Farwerck remained on the background. “His surroundings found him unfathomable, a puzzling sphinx. The appearance of the somewhat secretive man with his Mephistopheles-like beard supported this” (6).
Farwerck and his group were critical towards the direction of the N.S.B. In spite of their friendship, also Mussert and Farwerck had different ideas here. Mussert was “an exact-man”, while Farwerck had “mystical speculations” (26). Also within the group Farwerck proved not only to have friends. Later these differences would become a problem.
Already in 1934, people critical towards the direction of the N.S.B. for other reasons that the group around Farwerck (they were even more radical than the official N.S.B. line), published a newspaper advertisement naming Farwerck as a Freemason. In 1935 a more serious publication was put out (“Zwart Front” or ‘Black Front’) exposing Farwerck as a Freemason. The authors had received a Masonic publication listing Farwerck’s Masonic function. In the same year another advertisement was used to ask some questions to Mussert, a few of those were about Farwerck.
In 1937 an Ahnenerbe-like organisation called “Der Vaderen Erfdeel” (which translates to something like ‘the fathers’ inheritance’ which could very well be a reference to “Ahnenerbe” or ‘heritage of the ancestors’) was founded. This was lead by Jan Nachenius (1890-1987), but in practice was headed by Farwerck. This was actually a ‘demotion’ from his position of head of Propaganda after Farwerck insulted Mussert with a thoughtless action, but it possibly lived up very well to Farwerck’s aspirations.
Farwerck himself says the following about this situation:
My influence on the leaderhip of the N.S.B. had sorely declined over the years. From 1934-1937 I had the trust of Ir. Mussert, but gradually it became clear that our opinion differed on several points. Therefor my influence went down more and more and Ir. Mussert came in closer contact with others. It was mostly the rising influence of Rost van Tonningen, and his following, whom was very strongly German-oriented and with whom I have been on the brink of war for many years, which diminished my influence strongly. Therefor I had already asked to be relieved from my function and waiting for the reply I only dealt with current affairs. (27)
There was a publication called “Wolfsangel” (‘wolf angle’) would later (1938) be called “Der Vaderen Erfdeel” and again later (1939 when Farwerck had been removed) “Volksche Wacht” (‘folkish guard’). Der Vaderen Erfdeel also published books, two by Farwerck. The new organisation was called “Volksche Werkgemeenschap” (‘folkish work community’) (and again later “Germaansche Werkgemeenschap” (‘Teutonic work community’)) and the publishing branch was renamed to “Hamer” (‘hammer’). From then on most publications were strictly political.
Within the N.S.B. there were a lot of councils, political, Catholic, Protestant, education, etc. Farwerck tried to keep the very different groups within the N.S.B. busy and separated. He also made such a group for himself, a “council for folk culture” which was not political.
As we saw, Farwerck had problems with rapidly rising star within the N.S.B., Meinoud Rost van Tonningen (1894-1945). Rost was more radical, more Germany-centered and wanted to direct the N.S.B. into a much more radical course. Farwerck opposed Rost van Tonningen’s ‘Germanism’ and anti-Semitism and called him “the biggest enemy of our people”. Farwerck was on good foot with the leader, but pressure from Germany led Mussert into a difficult position.
In a way Rost was only a catalyst. The brothers Farwerck were nationalists and not in favor of Germany’s expansion plans. In a declaration he even writes: “we abhorred the attack on the Netherlands”. Before the invasion the Germans had looked into Farwerck and concluded that he was a problem. They immediately told Mussert as much and Mussert told Farwerck.
In Germany Masonic lodges had long been forbidden (we will come back to that) and Germany wanted the Netherlands to follow in these politics. This was a perfect situation for Rost van Tonningen to solve the Farwerck problem, Farwerck whom had long been accused of being a Mason, but Mussert never wanted to look into that.
When Mussert was to meet Hitler in Berlin, Rost van Tonningen used information that he got from Rost Dahmen von Buchholz (the father of his secretary) about Farwerck’s membership of Freemasonry and saw to it that this information reached Germany before Mussert did. Mussert had no choice but to call a search of Farwerck’s house where a Masonic letter was found, the perfect argument to let go of Farwerck. This was late in the year 1940.
Farwerck himself said that he only ended his active membership. In 1943 he still visited N.S.B. circles at least.
Farwerck and Mussert had their differences, but even after the war, Mussert tried to protect Farwerck.
Farwerck’s N.S.B. membership also brought him troubles with his neighbors especially when big plates with N.S.B. advertisements appeared in his yard. He told Polak that this was not his own idea, but they sure made bad blood. In spite of that, he kept living in the same house, also when he was forced out of the N.S.B. and also after the war.
After the war, Farwerck was investigated to see if he needed to be persecuted. He was thoroughly investigated by Meijer Polak who not only interviewed Farwerck himself, but also neighbors, N.S.B. members and even Germans. It never came to persecution. According to a neighbor (to Polak) because of his health (which was not so bad that he could not work in the garden). The same neighbor said that years after the war Farwerck started to be visited by ex-N.S.B. people after their detentions!
In 1948 it was decided to not persecute Farwerck. Apparently he had to cover the costs for the investigation himself, ƒ 2.500,- ($ 1.200,-)!
Using the pseudonym F. van Schoping (a reference to the birthplace of his father, Schöppingen?), Farwerck published his more political writings. I have found only two of these, just one of them to read. In this Het Volksche Element in het Nationaal-Socialisme (‘the folkish element in National-Socialism’ 1937) Farwerck displays his ideas on “Bolshevism”, globalization, the loss of traditional roles in society (like that of the woman), liberalism, etc. He does speak of “race”, “purity of race” and the like, but apparently not strongly enough for some people.
Strangely enough the second political work was only published in 1941 when Farwerck had already left the N.S.B. I have not been able to find much information about the publisher “Volk en Bodem” (‘folk and soil’). The publisher seems to have been established around that time.
Shortly I want to say something about ‘the question of the Jews’. Hoogenboom suggests that both Mussert and Farwerck were not anti-Semitic in the beginning, but did start to adopt some such ideas later on. The early N.S.B. had Jews as members and one of them supposedly asked Farwerck for help when he sensed the rise of Antisemitism. Farwerck wrote to Mussert that many N.S.B.-members did not act according the information of “Brochure IV”. This brochure speaks about three kinds of Jews. Dutchmen who happen to be Jews, strict orthodox Jews and Jews who are against National Socialism. The first two kinds were not a problem and they could be members of the N.S.B. The last group was a problem, since they would not fit in the state that the N.S.B. had in mind. As a side note, the next chapter says that National Socialist Freemasons were not a problem either. I would not be surprised if this brochure was from the pen of the head of propaganda, Farwerck.
Te Slaa and Klijn wrote a massive book about the early days of the N.S.B. (22). They write that both Mussert and Farwerck were liberal about Jews for a long time, but both more radical new members and actions from within the Jewish community (such as attacking N.S.B. members (Farwerck is also seen coming home with a black eye once)) brought that they saw a growing problem in a growing part of the Jewish community.
It is also known that Farwerck and some of his colleagues were annoyed by the tone of some texts in newspapers such as Volk en Vaderland (‘folk and fatherland’). Furthermore it is clear that some publications became much more radical after Farwerck was forced out of the N.S.B.
On the other hand, the wife of a Jewish Masonic colleague asked for Farwerck’s expulsion from the order just before he left himself. More about that below.
My guess is that he had ideas that did not fall too well with ‘the common folk’, but which were not ‘strong’ enough for his political colleagues. A German letter from the time of the search of his house, uses Farwerck’s Masonic membership to connect him to Jewish bankers, Moscow and “the second internationale” (a socialist workers party).
Te Slaa and Klijn say that in fits of indignation Farwerck let a few pretty drastic thoughts flow out of his pen. Were they his real ideas or did he sometimes loose his temper?
A funny side note makes an advertisement for a performance with Rost van Tonningen doing acrobatics on a wire and Farwerck did the choreography. Speaking of fun and pun, I also found a Farwerck cartoon.
I will come back to the subject above, but first I am going to continue with the next subject. The book of Te Sla and Klijn is detailed enough to enlarge this section of this part of Farwerck’s life, but since this is overlighted in most information about Farwerck anyway, I prefer to not make this part too large.
Now comes the -to me- most interesting part of the story, but we have to jump back in time. As we saw, Farwerck was a Freemason. More correct it is to say that he has been one.
Farwerck joined the N.S.B. in 1932. I have a copy of the letter in which his lodge notifies the secretary of Le Droit Humain (Willy Farwerck!) about Farwerck’s dismissal. It is dated 12 April 1934. In his interviews he says “around 1935”, but he also says that the joined “around 1920” which is nine years off!
There is something weird to this story. Farwerck did not just join the biggest Dutch Masonic order, the “regular” and men-only Grand Orient of the Netherlands, even in his home town there had been a Grand Orient lodge since 1896. Instead he joined a much smaller and mixed gender organisation and a lodge in another (yet nearby) town. How did that come about? How much more libertarian and egalitarian than mixed gender Freemasonry do you want to get it? Did Farwerck develop the ideas exposed in his political writing during his time in mixed gender Freemasonry or did he have them before and somehow managed to balance between these two extremes?
To Polak he said:
In the Netherlands Masonry keeps away from all political interference and mainly occupies itself with spiritual matters. The idea that one has to work for the fellow man, which lives in Freemasonry, I hoped to be able to practice in the N.S.B. (7)
Farwerck wanted to improve the lives of his workers and he joined Freemasonry, the Rotary and even the N.S.B. to help his fellow man! Idealism or naivety?
Back to Freemasonry. Let me start with a little history of mixed gender Freemasonry.
The mixed Masonic order Le Droit Humain appeared in France in 1893 and in 1904 the first Dutch(wo)men were initiated. The first lodge (Cazotte) followed in 1905. In the year that Farwerck got his first appointment as director (1911) a lodge was founded Laren, “Christiaan Rosenkreutz”. This was the same year that Farwerck was initiated (1911 and not, as I previously stated following the Dutch Wikipedia, 1918). He joined that very lodge. As a matter of fact, his autograph appears below the request for a charter, so it appears he was initiated, passed and raised in a “triangle” (lodge in the making) and after that, help to found the lodge. After the war he even complains that the building that he bought for his lodge (and which was registered to his name) was confiscated without compensation.
A little digging made clear that both Farwerck’s brother Willy and his wife Johanna were also members of Le Droit Humain. Both joined years after Franz though, his brother in 1917 (Franz was Worshipful Master in that year, did he initiate his brother?) and Johanna in 1921. Willy reached the 32º, it seems that Johanna stuck to the so-called “blue degrees” (the first three).
Johanna Farwerck-Borrius is mentioned in the dissertation The politics of Divine Wisdom of Herman de Tollenaere (1996) (8), a text about the influence of women in the Theosophical Society. Franz Farwerck happens to be mentioned in the book too!
Theosophist Selleger was the Dutch Paper Manufacturers Association’s chairman. TS [Theosophical Society] leader Cochius was presiding director of the Leerdam glass-works. Another director of that firm, the Hilversum industrialist F.E. Farwerck figured prominently in the Dutch TS and co-masonry. Military, clergy, and judiciary Officers and their wives and children were strongly represented in Theosophical Society membership.
Apparently Farwerck “figured prominently in the Dutch TS”. Early mixed gender Freemasonry in the Netherlands (as in most countries) was a ‘very Theosophical project’. Annie Besant (president of the international Theosophical Society) helped to found the first lodges. Besant did not want to use the atheistic ritual of the first Le Droit Humain lodges, but probably used the English Emulation ritual as basis for her own.
If Farwerck indeed was involved in the Theosophical Society, this may explain why he opted for mixed gender Freemasonry. I never really noticed that Farwerck had ‘a Theosophical sauce’ and I am quite versed in Theosophical literature. I quickly scanned some works and Farwerck was certainly no unthinking follower of Helena Blavatsky (1831-1891) and co. He is even quite critical about the evolution theory so highly acclaimed by Theosophists. During his time as head of the Dutch Le Droit Humain (about which later) he even took quite a firm stance against Theosophical elements in some rituals. It may even not be a coincidence that Farwerck only joined Le Droit Humain when the first lodge with a non-Theosophical lodge was founded.
Theosophical bookshop owner Marcel van Velde says that him and Farwerck were Theosophists. He bookshop sold Masonic publications, also that of Farwerck. This may explain how many, even the most obscure, publications of Farwerck can be found in the Dutch Theosophical library in Amsterdam. Also, the catalogue of the auction of his library (see blow) contains both Isis Unveiled and The Secret Doctrine (1911 and 1919 editions).
Willy (Carl Wilhelm) Farwerck does refer to Blavatsky in the only writing of his that I found, his long essay in the Bouwsteenen periodical (again, see below). This text also shows him to be fairly well-read in similar subjects as his brother. The text is well-written too. Willy also was ‘spiritually inclined’. The Royal Library in The Hague (Netherlands) has a few letters Willy exchanged with “parapsychologist” Georges Zorab. As we saw before, Hoogendoorn also said that Franz had an interest in ‘things spiritual’.
More about Willy Farwerck here.
There are other things to shortly look at. The man Cochius that is mentioned in the quote from The Politics Of Divine Wisdom, was one of the persons who started the Rotary Club in Hilversum together with Farwerck and he also lead the Arnhem Theosophical lodge from 1905 to 1923. Farwerck need not have known Cochius before he joined Le Droit Humain of course. Somehow, the Theosophy<>co-Masonry link seems a valid one to explain Farwerck’s choice even when he obviously did not want a mix between the two. A more detailed look into Farwerck’s Theosophy can be found here.
A little bit more about mixed gender Freemasonry.
The first mixed gender lodge in the Netherlands (Cazotte) consisted of seven Theosophists. One of them was H.J. van Ginkel who was initiated by Annie Besant herself. Even though he was a Theosophist, Van Ginkel thought that Theosophy should not be brought into the lodge. Therefore he started the first mixed gender lodge (Christiaan Rosenkreutz) that was to adopt a non-Theosophical ritual written by himself in 1915. Van Ginkel edited the ritual of Annie Besant for that project. Later on the Supreme Council of Le Droit Humain in Paris (the international headquarters) also decided to diminish the Theosophical influence and opposed other rituals on their lodges. This caused the first schism within the order. In the Netherlands three lodges split off, including Cazotte, making Christiaan Rosenkreutz the oldest Le Droit Humain lodge today. Ironically, by the time Farwerck led the organisation, Le Droit Humain again had multiple rituals. Farwerck not only tried to prevent Theosophical rituals to return (unsuccessfully), but he was also critical towards the original Besant ritual and Van Ginkel’s modifications.
Van Ginkel and fellow Theosophist J.F. Duwaer (with whom he cooperated in several projects) started a publishing company which was to become the house publisher of Le Droit Humain Netherlands. The name varies a bit, but it was called “N.V. Maçonnieke Uitgevers Maatschappij” (‘Masonic publishing company’). This publisher was to print several works of Farwerck, mostly under pseudonym, the obviously Masonic “B.J. van der Zuylen” (‘B.J. of the Pillars’) and “F.E.F.”, pen names that Farwerck also used in the official Bulletin and the periodical Bouwsteenen (‘building blocks’). The same company published the little book of Farwerck’s sister in law and the article of Willy Farwerck.
Again Farwerck’s star rose quickly. 6,5 Years after his initiation he had reached the 30º. In 1922 he got the 33º and soon became Grand Commander, head of the ‘high degrees’, which in the system of Le Droit Humain means: head of the Federation. In 1924 he was also member of the Supreme Council. Willy Farwerck was active within the ‘high degrees’ too, his wife seems to have not been.
During his years within Le Droit Humain Farwerck was an active man. He held lectures in his own and other lodges, he was a member of several lodges, a couple of them he seems to have co-founded: Ken Uzelven (‘know yourself’) (Utrecht, 1919), Broedertrouw (‘brother’s loyalty’) (Amersfoort, 1921), Goethe Zum Flammenden Stern (‘Goethe to the flaming star’) (1921, Frankfurt Am Main, Germany) and Hiram Abif (Amsterdam, 1925). Carl Wilhelm and Johanna have also both been initiated in Christiaan Rosenkreutz and have also been members of Hiram Abif. Of the mentioned lodges in the Netherlands none lived long. Only Ken Uzelven would later relive and still exists today.
In 1927 Farwerck published his first book by the earlier mentioned publishing house. It was called Mysteriën en Inwijdingen in de Oudheid. (‘Mysteries and Initiations In Antiquity’). According to the Ritman Library (4), the cover was designed by Stefan Schlesinger (1896-1944), an Austrian Jew who came to live in the Netherlands. Schlesinger would also design Farwerck’s Masonic ex-libris and the cover of his first book in the same year. Schlesinger was married to Anna (Be) Kerdijk (1882-1944). Both Schlesinger and Kerdijk were members of Le Droit Humain. Schlesinger seems to have been initiated, passed and raised in order to help start the lodge Vertrauen in Wien/Vienna in 1922. Kerdijk was already member when the Dutch federation was started. Later both were members of the lodge Georges Martin III. Schlesinger and Kerdijk appear to have been involved in the founding of the short-lived lodge Ars Regia (1927-1934) of which Schlesinger is Worshipful Master and Kerdijk Orator in 1927.
Later on I will extensively quote the book Broeders en Zusters: Honderd jaar Gemengde Vrijmetselarij (9), but for now it suffices to say that the author shortly mentions Kerkdijk, saying: “Sister A. Kerdijk, who was married to an Austrian jew, already in 1932 asked for the dismissal of Brother Farwerck. She was not Jewish herself, but wore the Star of David out of solidarity, when her husband was obliged to wear it. Both died in a German concentration camp.” (11)
Farwerck did not immediately leave the lodge when he got active within the N.S.B.!
I found a somewhat odd announcement of a “Teutonic Midwinter-Solstice festivity” organised by Christiaan Rosenkreutz and two other lodges and the “Kelto-Germaanschen Studiekring “Uggdrasil”” (‘Celto-Teutonic study circle “Uggrasil”’) of August Heyting who was mentioned above in Hilversum on May 4 1933. Did Farwerck try to push the lodge in a ‘heathen direction’? It was ‘but’ a reading though. See advertisement.
Farwerck published under different names. During his Masonic years he an active writer. I have found nine titles between around 1927 and around 1933, see the bibliography.
And then the war came…
When things started to run in an unwanted direction in Germany, Farwerck was Grand Commander of the Dutch federation of Le Droit Humain. Le Droit Humain in Germany was too small to have its own federation, so the few German lodges fell under the Dutch federation. In 1933 all German lodges (not just those of Le Droit Humain) were forced to close, the regime forbade Masonic practice. The material of the German lodges of Le Droit Humain was sent to the Netherlands to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands. Anxious about these events, in May 1933, the Worshipful Master of a Dutch lodge asked the Grand Commander to shed some light on the situation and the possible consequences for the Netherlands. Farwerck proved himself to be very naive! He wrote a lengthy article in the Bulletin of Le Droit Humain Netherlands. (The following quotes are from the book of Ank Engel (10), the untranslated texts can be found in the notes).
The new spirit spreading over Europe, has a negative and a positive side. Without the least of a judgement, we can conclude that the currents, which appear to us under the name of Fascism or National Socialism, are directed against the Marxist concept of class struggle and internationalisation of the proletariat against the liberal conception of freedom and a national collaboration of all classes of society with a subordination of individual freedom to the interests of the whole nation. (12)
From the same article:
A National Socialist Movement may be successful in countries such as Italy or Germany, but we see things in the Netherlands more soberly, we do not overheat so quickly. Moreover, we do not like ‘import’ and are the Netherlands not the classic country of “freedom”? Why worry about something that surely will not happen? (13)
With Farwerck as the highest authority in the organisation, it is likely that the national council agreed with his reply. The editors of the Bulletin did not and they replied critically. In reply to this, Farwerck even managed to write:
Also in the fascist state people have the freedom to develop as they want, think what they want, act as they like, provided that the act (and the act alone) is not contrary to the public interest. In other words, ones freedom should not come before the individual interests at the expense of others. Also this concept of freedom is in accordance with with the Masonic ‘concept of service’. On this ground there is therefore no reason for a hostile attitude against Freemasonry. (14)
In Russia, the lodges are not allowed to exist. In Germany they have dismantled themselves, but some Masonic journals still appear, apparently without hindrance. (15)
Needless to say that Farwerck was to be proven very wrong. Also in the Netherlands lodges were ransacked, buildings confiscated and torn apart or housed with German soldiers. Like we saw, Farwerck left the lodge in 1934, but some people think he used his position in the N.S.B. to help spare lodges of Le Droit Humain. Compared to the Grand Orient of the Netherlands (whose Grand Master of the time died in a camp!), lodges of Le Droit Humain were relatively untouched.
As we saw above, soon after Farwerck joined the N.S.B., people started to complain about his continuing membership of Freemasonry. Under Mussert this wasn’t a problem, but the Germans did have a problem with Farwerck. After they invaded the Netherlands, the N.S.B. was forced to comply to the German stand on Freemasonry, which spelled the beginning of the end for Farwerck. What also didn’t help was that Farwerck remained on friendly terms with many of his former brothers and sisters.
I earlier mentioned a letter that was the direct cause of Farwerck’s dismissal from the N.S.B. This “friendly letter of the National Council of Freemasonry” (Engel) proved that Farwerck still had contact. Engel also quotes the goodbye speech of Farwerck’s follow-up who says that in september 1933 Farwerck laid down his function as Grand Commander, but he remained vice-chairman of the Supreme Council. It is not clear for how long he did so, but his lodge announced his resignation on April 12th 1934. Farwerck himself told Polak that he remained a member until “about 1935”. The letter of Franz’ resignation is addressed to Willy Farwerck who was Grand Secretary at the time by the way! The discharge was honorable.
There is something else. Brother Carl (or Willy) is a lot less in the limelight so there is a lot less information about him, but he does seem to have been a member of the N.S.B. as well (as well as his wife and the eldest two sons(20)). Also, when the German forces came to power, he was of the opinion that Freemasonry did not fit in the new regime. He proposed dismantlement of the Dutch federation of Le Droit Humain, but when the National Council declined his proposition, he left for that very reason in 1940 together with brother and sister Van Meerwijk, so he had a ‘double membership’ for seven years. Five other members of the lodge Hiram Abiff soon followed. The name of Willy’s wife, Johanna, is not under either request for dismissal. It is not like they divorced or anything. Carl passed away in 1964, Johanna in 1992. In her obituary she was named the widow of C.W. Farwerck.
Another thing in this regard. It is rumored that Farwerck didn’t actually leave the lodge. Willy’s cleaning lady was interviewed after the war. She describes how Willy had biweekly meetings of his lodge at his house in Amsterdam. When the meetings were outdoors, Franz (who stayed with his brother a lot) stayed home to look over the children. Apparently he did end his active involvement at some point.
In April 1968 Franz (79 years old) saw something on television that reminded him of his years as a Freemason. He wrote to Le Droit Humain, basically to ask if he could come back. The answer was negative. He tried again in June, July and August of the same year, with the same result. This did not prevent the Grand Commander of the time to write a positive review of Farwerck’s post-mortem published book. Apparently it was Farwerck’s spoiled past (or his person, maybe people who knew him were still member) that was the reason to decline the request.
What is also remarkable is that in the 1940’ies, so years after Farwerck left, the Masonic publishing company republished an earlier article in the form of a booklet (Symboliek see bibliography).
Odd or not, but it was after the end of both his Masonic and political careers, that Farwerck avidly started to publish. The ‘first version’ of his life’s work was published in 1953 on his own publishing house Thule (even though one review says that people who are interested could get the book from the publisher, using the feminine version of the word. I did manage to figure out who that was). Noord-Europese Mysteriën en Inwijdingen in de Oudheid (‘Northern-European Mysteries and Initiations in antiquity’). He even kept his old Masonic pseudonym. In the same year he (also on Thule) published another book and two years later yet another, one with a thin Masonic connection, the other purely about pre-Christian Masonic symbolism and aimed at Freemasons. Another book about initiation saw the light of day in 1960 and, as mentioned, his magnum opus Noordeuropese mysteriën en hun sporen tot heden (‘Northern European mysteries and their traces to the present’) was published just after he died (1970). According to the publisher he was still able to approve of the test-prints. Mission accomplished! The book was first published by Kluwer, later a son from the Kluwer family founded the publishing house Ankh-Hermes and he reprinted the book slightly expanded (an index was added), with a slightly different cover and on ticker paper in 1978.
Also Farwerck did not lose his ‘folkloristic’ and historical interests. In 1950 and 1954 he still lectures. The first lecture is about prehistory, the second lecture was for an archaeological group about North-European mummies with “light-images” and in 1953 he helps to start an archaeological group. At the age of 67 he started writing for a periodical called Nehalennia (after a Dutch Germano-Celtic sea Goddess), a historical and folkloristic publication which continued for six years. Some say it was Farwerck’s own magazine. It was indeed published by Thule. More about the periodical and collaborators here. In 1960 he gave a lecture for a genealogical group and early and late March 1965 he gave another two lectures. The first about rock carvings in Sweden, the second about “The Spiritual World of our Ancestors”. At the time he was 76 years old.
Farwerck’s library
On my searches for information I frequently run into a list of an auction of Farwerck’s library. Since I could not find a copy for myself, I decided to go to the Koninklijke Bibliotheek (‘Royal Library’) in Den Haag to see it. A man’s library can say a lot about that person. The list proved to be not an item that you can just take from a shelf and photocopy. It is stored in the department “Special Collections” and you can only see it with nothing more than a pencil and piece of paper with you. So my hope to photocopy it was soon gone.
The catalogue proved to be a well printed and bound paperback book. From 1971, so why is this a “Special Collections” item? The book itself says nothing about the fact that the items under auction used to belong to Franz Farwerck. By the look of it, it could have been any auction. Some titles I can well understand used to be owned by Farwerck. A few titles I recognised since they are sold with Farwerck’s ex-libris in it (for high prices) and I doubt the library would give faulty information. So let us assume that it was indeed a catalogue of books that used to belong to Farwerck. What can the catalogue tell us?
The auction was on May 25th and 26th 1971, so three years after his death. The catalogue is 110 pages and lists 1526 titles. Of course it is impossible to say if this was Farwerck’s entire library. Maybe it was just what was left of it at the time. Farwerck was an art collector who seems to have had the means for his passions. The 1940 fire might have destroyed his books of that time, but he had a couple of decades to start a new collection.
The catalogue has a table of contents. The numbers refer to the number of the item (book) under auction, so you can see how many books Farwerck owned about what subjects:
Belief and superstition (1 – 189);
Theology (184 – 255);
Antiquity (256 – 416);
Reference (417 – 429);
Bibliography, typography (430 – 482);
Philosophy and literature (484 – 765);
Fine art (766 – 928);
Hunting and shooting (929 – 997);
Militaria (998 – 1039);
History, politics, geography (1040 – 1173);
The Netherlands (1174 – 1301);
Varia (1302 – 1526).
The first heading has a sub-header called “Teutonism” with 29 titles. Not that many when you think about how much Farwerck wrote about that subject. He did own the 1956/7 version of Jan de Vries’ Altgermanische Religionsgeschichte and “nine works” of the same author (apparently not interesting enough to name in full). I found only one title of Georges Dumézil, who I thought had quite some impact on Farwerck’s thinking. Also noteworthy is the fact that I saw only a handful books about Freemasonry. These are from different obediences.
Of the brothers Grimm two works are mentioned and Farwerck owned two versions of the “Sammlung Thule“, 24 volumes published between 1912 and 1934 and a reprint (“with traces of use”) from 1963.
Further Farwerck owned a Festugière translation of the Corpus Hermeticum, a few books of authors such as Arthur Waite and Herman Wirth. A book of another Schlesinger than the one who designed his Masonic ex libris, which has been translated and published in the periodical De Swastika. I don’t know who translated it, but Farwerck did own most Swastikas.
Mostly striking I found the vast amount of books on (and from!) early Christian Theology, many titles in Latin and from the 17th, 18th and 19th century. Also under the header “Antiquity” are many titles in Latin. Also Farwerck appears to have had no problems with French and German. Besides Theology there are a few books on mysticism, from old to relatively modern such as Karl von Eckartshausen.
Farwerck owned a lot of ‘books about books’ and books about literature, also about poetry and philosophy, but on the other hand, he also had 50 Medieval texts, usually not originals.
The most expensive title in the catalogue is a 17th century “velum” of a 14th century manuscript called Arda’et (Teachings Of Christ) in an extremely luxury version.
The “Hunting and Shooting” and “Militaria” parts of the auction list contain nothing shocking. Perhaps his WWII library has been cleaned out, or perhaps Farwerck indeed thought to see other things in a part of the movement of that time.
His library sure shows Farwerck to be an intelligent man with varied interest who read in a variety of (classical) languages. His collection contained several multi-volume works (up to 30!) so his house must have looked quite library-like.
A last remark: only a few of his own books are listed in the catalogue! What is noticeable is that 20 copies of Het Teken van Dood en Herleving (1953) and 30 copies of De Mysteriën der Oudheid en hun Inwijdingsriten (1960) are listed, which, ironically or not, are the two books that are the easiest to find nowadays (besides the reprint of his magnum opus of course).
In some of the Masonic correspondence that I have seen, mention is made of Farwerck’s health problems. The same subject is mentioned in his post-war investigation. His health would even have been a reason to not persecute him. One mention of this problem was before his 30th birthday. This suggests that this may have been a life long struggle. A doctor who seems to have overlooked the post-war hearings mentions that the hearings should stop because of “serious heart problems”, another interviewee mentions diabetes. Whatever it was, Farwerck lived to be 80 years old with it.
Nothing much can I find about Farwerck’s possible faith. Living in the Netherlands where he did, some form of Protestantism would be logical. In his first book he mentions “the beautiful symbolism of the Catholic church”, but other than that, I have but one clue. In the post-war hearings one interviewee said: “To my knowledge Farwerck did not adhere the Christian faith”.
Neither do his works obviously show his activities in Theosophical circles, so I guess he wanted to keep these things for himself. He praises “heathenry”, but I would be surprised if that was more than an interest. Yet there was the Midwinter celebration lecture of his former lodge. In 2003 a thesis was published by M. Eickhoff (16). He describes Farwerck as a radical, anti-Semite and he describes how the Der Vaderen Erfdeel group visited an Ahnenerbe harvest celebration and German sites such as the Hermannsdenkmal and the Externsteine and says: “The visit of the Externsteine will certainly have been an intense religious experience for the members of Der Vaderen Erfdeel”, thus suggesting that the group had more than academic interests. Also he says that Farwerck used the term “Neuheidnische Richting” to describe his folkish ideas for the N.S.B.
On the other hand, perhaps Freemasonry was (or used to be?) perfect for Farwerck. Spirituality without faith or dogma.
On May 22 1968 Franz passed away. About a year earlier he had sold his villa to the next door school. He seems to have moved in with a son of Willy Farwerck and his wife. Farwerck left behind the widow of his brother (Johanna) and her sons and partners in France and Hilversum.
You may wonder how Farwerck’s many works were received during his life and after he passed away. I have found several advertisements drawing attention to his works. Especially the prices are highly amusing (I have listed them in the bibliography when available). There were also newspaper articles such as reviews of Levend Verleden in Utrechts Nieuwsblad October 10 1938. Also Masonic periodicals sometimes had attention for his works, such as the De Vrijmetselaar (‘The Freemason’) in 1953 (Noord-Europese Mysteriën en Inwijdingen in de Oudheid) and 1956 (Noord-Europa een der Bronnen van de Maçonnieke Symboliek). The remarks are always that Farwerck’s approach is “(very) interesting”. Also his last book got some positive reviews (in fact, I have not seen any negative reviews, except reviews speaking of Farwerck’s political past).
As we saw, when Farwerck’s libary was auctioned six years after his death, 20 copies of a 1953 and 30 copies of a 1960 book were still in his possession. Were they published in big editions or were they not too popular?
And here ends my story about Franz Farwerck. For now at least. I hope to find more sources to investigate. If I will, I will update the above again.
In the navigation above you can find links to some images. I have found only three photos of Franz Farwerck, all are from his military time. In the top navigation you can find the bibliography with titles of texts/books by Farwerck as far as I know them. I do not own all these texts (yet!). There is still some work to be done. Below you can find the notes.
Franz Farwerck was a zealous man which brought him to some heights, but because he tried to ‘play multiple games of chess’, he also fell deep and hard. This did not prevent him from keep doing what he had in mind: to write a comprehensive investigation about the Teutonic mysteries and show that these mysteries survived into our own day and age.
(1) Tapijtfabrikant en Dominee (‘Carpet manufacturer and clergyman’) by Hans Hoogenboom in Eigen Perk (‘Own perk’) 2015/3, a publication of the Hilversumse Historische Kring (‘Historic circle Hilversum’). The text is available online (PDF) when I write this;
(2) The autobiography of Inayat Khan can be found on several places on the internet. Here is a link to the passages referred to;
(3) “Mijn belangstelling voor de menselijke rassen werd opgewekt toen ik zestien jaar was, toen ik in een museum de overblijfselen van praehistorische mensen zag. Sindsdien heb ik alle mogelijke wetenschappelijke publicaties hierover bestudeerd. Geleidelijk kwam ik op het standpunt dat de erfelijkheid een grote rol speelde in de menselijke aard en wat daaruit voortvloeide”. Quoted in (1)
(4) Ritman Library had a Hermetic ex-libris exposition. Farwerck had one with an ouroboros and this Facebook post (available when I write this) has some useful information;
(5) Volgens Kapitein Bellen (‘according to Captain Bellen’), Henk M. Luning 2013, Sidestone Press;
(6) De SS en Nederland, documenten uit de SS archieven 1935-1945 deel I, published 1976, available online when I write this.
(7) Nationaal Archief: “In Nederland onthoudt de maçonnerie zich van elke politieke inmenging en houdt zich in hoofdzaak met geestelijke problemen bezig. De gedachte dat men voor zijn medemens moest werken, welke gedachte in vrijmetselarij leeft, dacht ik in praktijk te kunnen brengen in de N.S.B.
(8) Correspondentie van mr. M.M. Rost van Tonningen deel I, published 1967, available online when I write this.
(9) The politics of Divine Wisdom 1996 Herman de Tollenaere, available online when I write this.
(10) Broeders en Zusters: Honderd jaar Gemengde Vrijmetselarij, published in 2004 to celebrate a century of Le Droit Humain in the Netherlands, written by Ank Engel (then Grand Archivist).
(11) “Zuster A. Kerdijk, die met een Oostenrijkse jood was getrouwd, vroeg al in 1932 om het ontslag van Broeder Farwerck. Zij was zelf niet joods, maar droeg de davidsster uit solidariteit, toen haar man verplicht werd hem te dragen. Beiden stierven in een Duits concentratiekamp.” (p. 51)
(12) “De nieuwe geest, die over Europa waait, heeft een negatieve en een positieve zijde. Zonder er in het minst een beoordeling aan vast te knopen kunnen we dan constateren, dat de stromingen, die zich onder de naam Fascisme of Nationaal-Socialisme aan ons vertonen, gericht zijn tegen de marxistische gedachte van klassenstrijd en internationale verbroedering van het proletariaat, tegen de liberale opvatting van het begrip vrijheid en voor een nationale samenwerking van alle klassen en standen der maatschappij met een ondergeschikt maken van de individuele vrijheid aan de belangen van de gehele natie.” (Engel p. 47)
(13) “Een nationaal-socialistische stroming mag dan in landen als Italië en Duitsland succes hebben, wij Nederlanders bezien de dingen nuchter, lopen niet zo gauw warm. Bovendien, wij houden niet van ‘import’ en is Nederland niet het klassieke land van de ‘vrijheid’? Waarom ons hier dan bezorgd maken over iets dat toch niet zal gebeuren?”
(14) “Men heeft ook in de fascistische staat de vrijheid om zich te ontplooien, zoals men wil, te denken wat men wil, te handelen zoals men wil, mits dat handelen (en dan ook dat handelen alleen) niet tegen het algemeen belang ingaat. Met andere woorden, men mag de vrijheid niet vóór het individueel belang ten koste van anderen misbruiken. Ook dit vrijheidsbegrip is geheel met het maçonnieke ‘dienstbegrip’ in overeenstemming. Ook op deze grond is er dus geen reden voor de vijandige houding, die tegen de Vrijmetselarij wordt aangenomen.”
(15) “In Rusland mogen de loges niet bestaan. In Duitsland hebben ze zichzelf ontbonden, maar een aantal maçonnieke tijdschriften verschijnt nog, blijkbaar zonder belemmeringen.”
(16) De oorsprong van het ‘eigene’. Nederlands vroegste verleden, archeologie en nationaal-socialisme (‘The origin of the ‘own’. Dutch earliest history, archaeology and national-socialism’) by M. Eickhoff 2003, p. 242. Available online when I write this.
(17) https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Wirth accessed 10/7/2019
(18) Herman Wirth by A.P. van Gilst, 2006 Aspekt
(19) See here (look for Farwerck)
(20) https://sites.google.com/site/ledenregisternsb/f (accessed 30/8/2019)
(21) https://sufipedia.org/personenregister/nederland/ (accessed 4/9/2019)
(22) De NSB by Robin te Slaa and Edwin Klijn, 2009 Boom, isbn 9789085068136
(23) Nationaal Archief: “een bibliotheek van +/- 1200 waardevolle, meest antiquarische maçonnieke boeken, theosophische e.d. literatuur en kritieken op het Duitsche regime”
(24) Nationaal Archief: “Er bestond in die tijd ook “Het Ario-Germaans Genootschap” Farwerck nam deel aan de werkzaamheden van dit Genootschap, welk zich bezig hield met de bestudering van de Germaanse en Keltische mythologie, terwijl bij Farwerck het zwaartepunt lag in zijn belangstelling van de symbologie zoals runentekens enz.
Dit genootschap had nog niets met politiek te maken, het was slechts wetenschappelijk, doch had een mystieke en vrijmetselaars ideologie op de achtergrond.”
(25) Nationaal Archief: “Ik werd lid, op grond van sociale opvattingen die ik in het klein in de praktijk had trachten te brengen in de glasfabriek te Leerdam in samenwerking met Professor Gerbrandy, Professor Schermerhorn e.a. Ik hoopte die in de N.S.B. op groter schaal te helpen verwezelijken. Het leiderprincipe van de N.S.B. was daarbij voor mij geen bezwaar, aangezien ik hierin geen dictatoriale willekeur zag, doch slechts een leidinggevend principe.”
(26) Nationaal Archief: quote from the Van Geelkerken interview. Geelkerken, by the way, is listed as one of the few friends of Farwerck within the N.S.B.
(27) Nationaal Archief: “Mijn invloed op de leiding der N.S.B. was in den loop der jaren zeer achteruitgegaan. Van 1934-1937 had ik het vertrouwen van Ir. Mussert, maar geleidelijk bleek dat onze meeningen of verschillende punten uiteenliepen. Daarom daalde mijn invloed meer en meer en Ir. Mussert kwam in nauwer contact met anderen. Het was ook vooral door den stijgenden invloed van Rost van Tonningen, en diens aanhang, die sterk Duitsch georiënteerd was en waarmede ik jarenlang op voet van oorlog stond, die mijn eigen invloed sterk verminderde. Ik had dan ook al om ontheffing van mijn functie verzocht en behandelde in afwachting daarvan alleen de loopende zaken.”
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EA sales slump $350mm, Battlefield V to blame?
Started by Bullstomp, December 21, 2018
Bullstomp 2,795
Seasoned to perfection
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vgr.com/ea-2019-earnings-battlefield-5-sales/amp/
EA Revises Projected 2019 Earnings Following Poor Battlefield 5 Sales
Although Battlefield 5 has hardly performed on a comparable level to Titanfall 2, which some analysts were predicting ahead of its launch, Battlefield 5 sales have certainly been below EA’s expectations. The company has now given the first indication of just how far below expectations they were; a revision to their financial year 2019 revenue projections. All told, the revision factors in a drop of around $350 million.
Battlefield 5’s launch has been troubled, to say the least. After the release date was postponed by one month, EA avoided launching the game in-between Call of Duty: Black Ops 4and Red Dead Redemption 2; the situation where analysts drew a comparison between the game and Titanfall 2. Nevertheless, it released during a very crowded and competitive launch window. In addition, EA’s reputation among gamers is far from being positive at present; a situation not helped by a number of controversies prior to the game’s launch. Some of these were driven by misogynistic rhetoric online, but others were certainly more justified, such as gamers’ belief that the game was releasing in an unfinished state. Indeed, many of the game’s major modes aren’t coming out until March next year.
All of these conditions combined to cause Battlefield 5 sales to drop below projections at launch. While the game’s release hasn’t necessarily been a failure; (indeed, official review scores have largely been positive), the sales are much lower than what EA was hoping for. As such, EA has now revised their projected revenue for the 2019 financial year, as initially reported by Seeking Alpha. Previously, the company had projected earnings of $5.5 billion, but that figure now stands at $5.2.
EA is also suffering from a drop in shares of around 45%, with a new low for the financial year occurring this week. While this fall does come within a more general fall for the whole of the technology market; something which has been ongoing for several months, that only accounts for a portion of EA’s recent drop. It remains to be seen what EA will be doing in the new year to counteract the projection loss of around $350 million, or what that will mean for the future of Battlefield.
Cobby 1,599
Shit Gamer
Location: Failing at Mein Leben
I blame entitled gamers, bunch of pricks want games that don't involve the game constantly tryna rip you off with microtransactions. Entitled pricks..
Miles_Warren 580
Does anybody have a spare fuck to give?
Durandal 1,011
Location: Germany or anywhere else when playing a game
They still make way too much money if you ask me. Year after year the same lineup the same games with only minor changes, especially their sport games, and worst of all they push the microtransactions to a new level with each new game. A cynic would argue that they no longer care for either the games nor the gamers but only for their shareholders, oh wait ...
Truth be told they should make huge losses year after year until they remember what their customers expect from them. But then again all the big publishers are doing the same but some of them at least are trying harder to please their customers. EA doesn't, instead they shut down studio after studio because they don't make enough money or shut down well loved franchises for the same reason. And worst of all is the arrogance in their statements, it sounds like they are making the greatest games that everyone wants. Nothing can be further from the truth if you ask me.
Edited December 21, 2018 by Durandal
3 minutes ago, Miles_Warren said:
I did, but I lost it at work while ruining the 6th customer's Christmas
1 minute ago, Durandal said:
Truth be told they should make huge losses year after year until they remember what their customers expect from them. But then again all the big publishers are doing the same but some of the at least try harder to please their customers. EA doesn't, instead they shut down studio after studio because they don't make enough money or shut down well loved franchises for the same reasons. And worst of all is the arrogance of their statements, it sounds like they are making the greatest games that everyone wants. Nothing can be further from the truth if you ask me.
I totally agree with everything you said. What keeps them profitable now are the Ultimate Team microtransactions that they charge in Madden and FIFA. Every other franchise they have is going backwards.
@Bullstomp
Yeah, it really is a curse. The profit from these microtransactions is so huge nowadays, it is no wonder that making good or innovative games is only secondary for them. And even if they fuck it up like they did with that Star Wars desaster last year they still do it because they know people will continue to buy all that in game crap. Makes you wonder why some people even bother to play a game when all they do is buy cosmetic stuff. I guess it's vanity!
milanbarca82 430
I fear this means the support for this game will diminish. I hope not as I have just started playing the game.
DUDEwithCOFFEE 24
On 12/21/2018 at 8:25 PM, Bullstomp said:
misogynistic rhetoric online,
But mentions nothing of EA's poor marketing and PR responses to the criticisms following the SWBF2 debacle.
Krove-34 70
They said : don't buy the game , so that's what we did ☺️
TJ_Solo 315
19 minutes ago, Krove-34 said:
They said : don't buy the game , so that's what we did
Did you not buying the game cause all tech stocks to plummet? Getting stock advice from game analysts and game journalists isn't the smartest way to handle investments. I don't really get what stock price has to do with gamers as a matter of playing games as a hobby tho.
Do what you do. I guess.
19 minutes ago, TJ_Solo said:
Getting stock advice from game analysts and game journalists isn't the smartest way to handle investments. I don't really get what stock price has to do with gamers as a matter of playing games as a hobby tho.
How else is a prospective investor supposed to know if they are going to make a return? Of course a company like EA is going to tell an investor that "X" game is going to have high sales, as they use that investment money to develop the games. Investors view of sales is way different that a game company, as the only care about money. In fact, they don't probably don't know anything about games or care...just money. Even if a game wins awards or sold millions compared to another game, it's about meeting that target sale number (look at BioWare). Investors are milking the cow here. So, when there is PR disasters like SWBF2 or BFV, investors could sell their stocks and invest their money elsewhere.
Personally, I think the future of BF is in trouble...which is sad I like the series. If EA really care about making quality games, they could with patience and investing some of their own resources to make an amazing BF games. Who knows.
Lance_87 1,228
On 21/12/2018 at 0:46 PM, Cobby said:
You forgot to put a "/s" at the end of the post.
zero7uk_ 150
Location: Carlisle,cumbria U.K
This is great news! People are starting to get wise. EA are just a bunch of money grabbing as hats, all they do is reskin the same games every year and charge full price for them, and add further insult to injury with ridiculous DLC and micro transactions. Keep on sinking EA, the games industry as a whole will be better without you!
I've been boycotting them for years and I will continue to do so. If I have to buy a game made by them, I buy them used
Edited December 24, 2018 by zer007uk
5 minutes ago, DUDEwithCOFFEE said:
Probably the $5.2 billion of projected earnings. The online hate they get doesn't pair well with the amount of money being generated. Which is the truly confusing part. If the hate also came alone with massive sales losses then these PR disasters could be a meaningful event for investors. SWBF and BFV haven't stopped that Fifa or Madden money from rolling in.
As far as selling off stocks go. People are getting out because they think the prices will go lower, and they will because of the sell off. Of course, when some random analysts start prattling about how much money companies are making(not that they stopped making money during the stock sell offs) then people load back up causing the stock prices to raise. These people are not selling off based on game to game reactions among fans.
They can make quality games by investing their own money? Well unless you're advocating for EA to become an private company the entire point of being publicly trade is to be able to use investors' money. Which comes with more responsibilities, not less.
6 hours ago, Lance_87 said:
Who said I was bein sarcastic
Wavergray 2,182
It's not Battlefield 5 the game's fault. It's the people behind Battlefield 5 that are to blame.
Basically they pushed politics into a place where politics were not needed and now the company as a whole will suffer the consequences of just a couple of peoples actions.
Honestly I'm surprised how out of touch quite a few of the gaming companies are getting lately.
However if you're in the stock market and you want to take a medium risk now is the time to start buying stock in game companies.
Quink666 695
Might be the game but from what i underrstand EA lost alot before BF5 was released. Game is currently on a 50% sale which is almost always a sign the game has sold poorly. Atleast im no longer uneducated since i bought the game :>
lildunkin342 8
They've garnered a (well deserved) horrible reputation from their last couple of releases. I would say that Battlefield 5 is the main cause but it certainly did not help.
Just now, lildunkin342 said:
They had a horrible rep far before their last couple of releases. They had been awarded "Worst Company in America" on no less than 2 occasions.
Just now, TJ_Solo said:
I'm not disagreeing with you, but its hard to deny that there were not nearly as many people actively on the "Screw EA" bandwagon before the release of Battlefront 2, and each subsequent release has garnered more and more hate towards the greed that the company practices.
Spaz 7,357
Hell Breaks Loose
EA has been a stain in the gaming industry for the past decade. I only buy and rent games they developed/published that are several years old.
Nobody cares about games that came out years ago. What people do care about is how sales and marketing have fared for their latest blockbuster. Here it’s Battlefield 5, which has done a lot worse than what Battlefield 1 did before.
The people running that company are just as out of touch and as stupid as the current Trump administration and the United States Congress.
When you put people on a pedestal, give them the title of executive or politician, and let them sit there they start drifting off into their fantasy world.
Maybe people are finally starting to see through EA. Which I must say is long overdue.
melodicmizery 298
Confuzion "MelodicMizery"
On 12/21/2018 at 6:25 AM, Bullstomp said:
Is this a actual 350 million loss though?
let me explain this by comparing it to the car crisis in America. When all these car companies a few years back were saying they were losing 100+ million dollars after looking into it i learned they werent really losing that much. They actually just werent meeting their estimated profit of what they calculated to make. So the fact is alot of these articles when they say losing, they arent really losing anything, they just arent making as much profit as they predicted.
if i read the article correct they actually made a 5.2 billion, instead of a 5.5 billion. again they dont say if thats really profited after recouping costs, or pure profit, or estimated really
if they did lose money though i wouldnt doubt it. they pushed fans to far with star wars and battlefield for all these years and i think the people finally stood up to EA by skipping this title. red dead took 1-2 months to complete and will still sell, and call of duty is the alternative to half the shooter community. horrible release timing, horrible game, and nobody wants politics pushed in their face. especially with a awfull game. i couldnt even tolerate the alpha
Edited December 25, 2018 by melodicmizery
Either way, it's a whole 6% drop!
All the hate EA gets I just don't know. I really think Activision is way worse. They deserve more hate. After how they ruined Destiny or what they do with COD.
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Earlier today, the New York Times reported that recently-fired FBI director James Comey met with President Trump alone in the Oval Office in February, and “Trump began the discussion by condemning leaks to the news media, saying that Mr. Comey should consider putting reporters in prison for publishing classified information, according to one of Mr. Comey’s associates.”
Trump’s comments are disturbing, yet unsurprising. He has made his war on the press a central point in both his campaign and early presidency, and has increasingly become obsessed with pursuing leak investigations. If the Trump administration attempts to jail a reporter for publishing classified information—something major newspapers do all the time—it would present a grave threat to the journalism profession and the First Amendment.
Freedom of the Press Foundation has long believed that the true danger in an administration with an avowed hatred of the press would be the prosecution of journalists under the Espionage Act. The 100-year-old statute is blatantly unconstitutional, and reporters have every right under the First Amendment to publish information from the government, even if—and especially if—the government considers such information classified. We hope, as the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press said in response to the Times article: “The president’s remarks should not intimidate the press but inspire it."
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My Poll Can Beat Up Your Poll
Pundits left and right agree that the cost of the 2012 Presidential campaign will break all records, as each party hustles to raise and spend upwards of a billion dollars. Lost in this analysis of campaign finance is any attention to yet another record sure to be broken in the coming campaign season: The number of election opinion polls.
From Ipsos to Marist to Quinnipiac, from Pew to Rasmussen to Gallup, from every major newspaper, television news network, and college statistics department in America–this year, every organization with access to a telephone (or so it seems) is polling the electorate, attempting thereby to divine and offer a minute-by-minute account of the speed and direction of the country’s political winds. It’s a polling frenzy that’s prompted us here at Fresh Rhetoric to shake our heads and wonder: Hey, what the hell are we waiting for?
And so, with the 2012 Presidential election less than four months away, the Fresh Rhetoric Institute for Telephonic Communication and Public Opinion Response (known inside the polling industry as FRITCommPubOpResp, for short), aided by its proprietary DinnerInterruptus™ computerized robocalling technology, polled 10,600 Americans in six key battleground states, and while some of the results were predictable, some had us raising an eyebrow or two.
Devised by FRITCommPubOpResp Director Don Chubaleevit, our Fresh Rhetoric 2012 Presidential Election Poll queried Democrats, Republicans, and Independents on a wide range of issues, and while the full results will not be released until our formal press conference, we’re pleased to provide our loyal Fresh Rhetoric audience with this exclusive sneak-peek at some of the more interesting highlights.
● 100% of likely voters say they are likely to vote.
● While 64% of Republicans identify themselves as Tea Partiers, the same 64% think the Olympics are named after Olympia Dukakis.
● A majority of voters between the ages of 18 and 40 will be voting for Barack Obama. A majority of voters between the ages of 40 and 75 will be voting for Mitt Romney. A majority of voters between the ages of 75 and 90 will be voting for Adlai Stevenson.
● While 93% of Democrats believe Barack Obama will get 100% of the Democratic vote, 99% of Republicans believe that, as a result of new voting laws in battleground states, Obama will receive only 73% of the Democratic vote, with the remaining 27% of the Democratic vote, “um, abstaining, yeah, that’s it, abstaining.”
● 52% of self-identified liberal Democrats who plan to vote for Obama will be doing so “ambivalently,” while the other 48% will be doing so “equivocally.”
● 22% of Independents think Mitt Romney is a flipper, 22% think he’s a flopper, and 56% think he can go either way.
● 73% of Republicans think Barack Obama was born in Kenya, 39% of Republicans think “Kenya” is the first name of one of Hugh Hefner’s girlfriends, and 17% of Republicans think both of the previous statements are true.
● When asked, “Who is Reince Priebus,” 19% of all likely voters said he was Chairman of the Republican National Committee, 22% said he was a power forward on the Denver Nuggets, and 59% said, “Who?”
● 88% of Republicans think Mitt Romney is a job-creator, 87% of Democrats think he’s a job-destroyer, and 44% of Independents think he’s a job-avoider. Interestingly, though, a full 98% of all likely voters agree that he “walks kinda funny.”
● 49% of all likely voters think Donald Trump’s mother didn’t love him enough, 49% think she loved him too much, and 2% think she loved him “as much as anyone could.”
● Asked which poll they trusted the least, a majority of self-identified liberals said Quinnipiac, a majority of self-identified conservatives said Rasmussen, and a majority of self-identified Tea Partiers said Roman Polanski.
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