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Garena Free Fire Bans Over 3 Million Devices in 2 Weeks
Nutan Lele
25/Sep/2020 11:59 am
Garena releases stats of their latest hacker purge from Free Fire.
A total of 1,089,261 accounts got banned in the last two weeks.
The publisher also banned 3,785,627 devices for a number of hacks like antenna, wall-hacks, auto-aim, teleportation and other reasons.
As the new BOOYAH Day update hits the Free Fire servers, Garena has stepped in to once again purge the game of hackers. In the last two weeks, more than 1 million accounts and 3 million devices were banned thanks to player reporting. Garena also fixed a bug on September 15th, offering players protection against airplane hacks. The publisher said it will be back in the upcoming week with more updates. Free Fire posted an infographic detailing the number of accounts banned as well as other stats.
A total of 1,089,261 accounts got banned in the last two weeks. Out of these 65% of them were tagged through player reporting.
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The publisher also banned 3,785,627 devices for a number of hacks like antenna, wallhacks, auto-aim, teleportation and other reasons.
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The publisher also punished 79,047 accounts for playing with hackers intentionally.
Free Fire Has A Hacker Problem
Hacking has been a major issue plaguing the game and it also seems to seep into higher levels of play. On May 17th 2020, Entity Gaming and TSG Army players got banned for hacking in Free Fire. The next day, 6 more prominent players from the Indian Free Fire esports scene were banned. In April, Garena issued a new statement regarding the hackers in Free Fire. According to the company, in a period of 2 weeks between April 8th - April 21st 2020 about 50,000 accounts were banned, which belonged to players who used a hack or third-party applications in Free Fire matches.
Banning accounts wasn’t the only measure Garena took to deal with hackers. In June, the developer announced that they are upping their anti-hack features and taking active steps to ensure fair play in the game. Operation Cut Cord was rolled out where over 3.8 Million accounts were flagged and subsequently wiped. Garena also began work on new scripts and anti-hacks, looking to implement some fixes to prevent cheaters from making new accounts.
With the PUBG ban in the country, Free Fire has seen an influx of new players. According to a report by Entrackr, during the period between 2nd and 5th September, Garena Free Fire was among the three top downloaded games on iOS and Android devices. The game recorded a total of 2.1 million downloads during this period and saw a record number of players during the second quarter, with over 100 million peak daily active users in the game. If Garena is to capitalize on this growing player base, it will need to implement stricter anti-hacking measures to improve the overall player experience.
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Malin Head Man Drowned In Same Area Where Father Died 40 Years Ago
#MalinHead - The local man who died after a boat capsize off Malin Head in Donegal on Tuesday afternoon (17 July) lost his father in the same area four decades ago, it has emerged.
According to the Irish Independent, Gerry ‘Malin’ Doherty drowned close to where his father Paddy ‘Malin’ Doherty perished after slipping into the water from rocks in 1979.
Gerry Doherty and 16-year-old Thomas Weir died on Tuesday after Doherty’s 16ft cabin cruiser lost power and capsized less than 1,000 metres from shore.
Rescuers recovered a third individual in his late 40s — Dessie Keenan, a relative of Weir — who has since been released from hospital.
The Irish Independent has much more on the story HERE.
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Two Dead After Fishing Boat Capsize Off Donegal
#Donegal - A man in his 60s and a teenage boy have died after the fishing boat they were on capsized off Malin Head in Donegal yesterday afternoon (Tuesday 17 July).
As Independent.ie reports, it’s believed the vessel got into difficulty just minutes after setting off from Malin Pier, with three on board, around midday.
Tourists staying locally raised the alarm around 4pm after hearing cries for help, and a major search and rescue operation was launched immediately.
The teenager and a man in his 50s — both believed to be from Derry — were swiftly recovered, though the 16-year-old boy later died in hospital. The man in his 50s was also hospitalised and was said to be in a stable condition last night.
The body of the third person, a man in his 60s, was recovered on the shoreline before 6pm. He has been named locally as Gerry Doherty of nearby Carndonagh.
Independent.ie has more on the story HERE.
Angler Catches Shark in His Kayak off Donegal
RTE news reports that a kayak angler has captured on camera his "epic tussle" to catch a shark off Malin Head in Co Donegal. Sea angler Graham Smith battled for more than three hours on Saturday to land the 136kg porbeagle shark. Porbeagles carry little threat to humans and typically reach 2.5m.
After landing the huge fish, Mr Smith released it.
The experienced angler says it was "above and beyond" anything else he has experienced.
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Star Wars Shoot Coming To Malin Head? Not So Fast, Says Govt
#StarWars - Rumours that Star Wars film crews are set to decamp for the Donegal coast are just that, as the Government department responsible has not confirmed permission.
According to TheJournal.ie, location scouts for Lucasfilm have been spotted in the Malin Head area searching for appropriately dramatic vistas for future instalments of the epic sci-fi film series.
But while Heritage Minister Heather Humphreys has confirmed that a "limited amount of filming" will take place on Sybil Head in Dingle later this year, no such permission has been granted for Donegal – and the minister would not comment on the existence of any talks over the same.
Star Wars fever has gripped the Kerry coast since last year as the Skelligs featured prominently in the smash hit blockbuster The Force Awakens.
But the filming has not been without its share of controversy over repairs to monastic ruins and alleged interference with protected seabird species at the Unesco World Heritage site.
More recently, a long-time guide on Skellig Michael spoke out over the State's facilitating of the two Lucasfilm shoots on the island for The Force Awakens and next year's sequel, as previously reported on Afloat.ie.
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Climbers Showcase Malin Head Coastline & Ireland's Wild Atlantic Way
Irish climbers take an amazing path up from the north Atlantic Ocean to the top of Ireland's most Northerly Point - Malin Head using dizzy drone footage of Donegal rock climbing! Bren Whelan and Wild Atlantic Way Climbing, show case the great rockface, Donegal scenery and an awesome climb.
Humpback Wows Whale Watchers With Breach Off Baltimore
#MarineWildlife - Whale Watch West Cork have shared this incredible video of one of a humpback whale breaching off Baltimore this week.
The whale is one of three of the ocean giants seen feeding off Baltimore and nearby islands in recent days, and caught in some stunning shots by photographer Simon Duggan, among others.
Posted by Best Photo's Of Baltimore Ireland on Wednesday, 23 September 2015
Meanwhile, some no less impressive sights have been seen of Donegal, new video shows basking sharks - the second biggest fish in the sea - breaching off Malin Head.
Bren Whelan of Wild Atlantic Way Climbing told Independent Travel that it's been an "outstanding week" for marine wildlife watching on the North Coast, saying he himself had witnessed "over 300" basking shark breaches.
Basking sharks have been seen in big numbers the area all month long, with 15 spotted during the Irish Whale and Dolphin Group's Whale Watch Ireland 2015 event on the afternoon of 23 August alone.
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Friends Capture Video Of Pod Frolicking In 'Dolphin Capital Of Ireland'
#MarineWildlife - Two friends were caught by surprise by a playful pod of dolphins off Donegal's Malin Head in recent days.
And as UTV reports, one of them was quick enough to capture the exciting encounter on video.
“Apparently this area of sea is a migrating route from north to south," said Belfast fishermen Neil McCann, who was holidaying in the area with a friend.
"If you think about that, then Ireland is in the way, so they have to pass around the tip of Malin Head. Fishermen are now calling the area the dolphin capital of Ireland.”
The headland on the Inishowen Peninsula, which marks the northern end of the Wild Atlantic Way, has also been hailed this week for its potential as a 'shark park' reserve, with all the makings of a major marine wildlife tourist attraction.
Diver's Haunting Photos Of Malin Head's 'Lost Ships'
#Shipwrecks - Mail Online is hosting some astounding photographs of wrecks lost off Malin Head during the World Wars as captured by amateur diving enthusiast Steve Jones.
The Welshman made his way around the final resting places of four military and supply vessels – HMS Audacious, SS Justicia, SS Empire Heritage and SS Laurentic – off the Donegal coast during a recent dive expedition.
The latter of these ships is believe to still hold £6 million (€7.6 million) in gold bars somewhere in or around its ghostly hull, though Jones and his team had no luck finding them.
They did however find the seaweed-blanketed remains of a number of Sherman tanks that were being transported by the SS Empire Hertiage.
The so-called 'lost ships of Malin Head' are just some of the numerous wreck sites off the North Coast that was a strategic route for the Allies during both wars and as such a prime target for torpedo and mine attacks.
Mail Online has more on the story HERE.
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Cruise Ships Sector to Boost Donegal
#CruiseDonegal – Donegal Now.Com reports that the Inishowen Peninsula in the north of the county is set to cash in on the lucrative cruise ship business in years to come.
Malin Head is likely to be one of the main visitor attractions. Donegal Co. Council is backing a Loughs Agency initiative that will see around €170,000 invested in upgrading facilities at Greencastle Harbour.
This will allow tenders boats to ferry in passengers from cruises to Donegal. To read more click HERE.
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Galway Gardaí Come To The Rescue of Stranded Baby Seal
#MarineWildlife - Gardaí in Galway were on hand to rescue a stranded baby seal at Weightman's Pier in the city on Friday 4 July.
As TheJournal.ie reports, gardaí said the young seal, estimated to be four weeks old, was found "in poor condition and would not have made it through the night" if not for treatment by a local vet.
Here's hoping the little one makes a full recovery.
Elsewhere in Ireland, tourists at Malin Head have been treated to some spectacular displays by as many as 50 dolphins in an area already renowned for regular killer whale and basking shark sightings.
Indeed, Independent.ie reporting that local boat charters are being inundated with requests for dolphin-spotting trips.
Dublin Bay on the east coast of Ireland stretches over seven kilometres, from Howth Head on its northern tip to Dalkey Island in the south. It's a place most Dubliners simply take for granted, and one of the capital's least visited places. But there's more going on out there than you'd imagine.
The biggest boating centre is at Dun Laoghaire Harbour on the Bay's south shore that is home to over 1,500 pleasure craft, four waterfront yacht clubs and Ireland's largest marina.
The bay is rather shallow with many sandbanks and rocky outcrops, and was notorious in the past for shipwrecks, especially when the wind was from the east. Until modern times, many ships and their passengers were lost along the treacherous coastline from Howth to Dun Laoghaire, less than a kilometre from shore.
The Bay is a C-shaped inlet of the Irish Sea and is about 10 kilometres wide along its north-south base, and 7 km in length to its apex at the centre of the city of Dublin; stretching from Howth Head in the north to Dalkey Point in the south. North Bull Island is situated in the northwest part of the bay, where one of two major inshore sandbanks lie, and features a 5 km long sandy beach, Dollymount Strand, fronting an internationally recognised wildfowl reserve. Many of the rivers of Dublin reach the Irish Sea at Dublin Bay: the River Liffey, with the River Dodder flow received less than 1 km inland, River Tolka, and various smaller rivers and streams.
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What beaches are there on Dublin Bay?
There are approximately ten beaches and bathing spots around Dublin Bay: Dollymount Strand; Forty Foot Bathing Place; Half Moon bathing spot; Merrion Strand; Bull Wall; Sandycove Beach; Sandymount Strand; Seapoint; Shelley Banks; Sutton, Burrow Beach
Where are the public slipways to launch a boat on Dublin Bay?
There are slipways on the north side of Dublin Bay at Clontarf, Sutton and on the southside at Dun Laoghaire Harbour, and in Dalkey at Coliemore and Bulloch Harbours.
Who is in charge of Dublin Bay?
Dublin Bay is administered by a number of Government Departments, three local authorities and several statutory agencies. Dublin Port Company is in charge of navigation on the Bay.
How big is Dublin Bay?
Dublin Bay is approximately 70 sq kilometres or 7,000 hectares. The Bay is about 10 kilometres wide along its north-south base, and seven km in length east-west to its peak at the centre of the city of Dublin; stretching from Howth Head in the north to Dalkey Point in the south.
What piers or harbours are there on Dublin Bay?
Dun Laoghaire Harbour on the southside of the Bay has an East and West Pier, each one kilometre long; this is one of the largest human-made harbours in the world. There also piers or walls at the entrance to the River Liffey at Dublin city known as the Great North and South Walls. Other harbours on the Bay include Bulloch Harbour and Coliemore Harbours both at Dalkey.
Are there marinas on Dublin Bay?
There are two marinas on Dublin Bay. Ireland's largest marina with over 800 berths is on the southern shore at Dun Laoghaire Harbour. The other is at Poolbeg Yacht and Boat Club on the River Liffey close to Dublin City.
What ferries operate on Dublin Bay?
Car and passenger Ferries operate from Dublin Port to the UK, Isle of Man and France. A passenger ferry operates from Dun Laoghaire Harbour to Howth as well as providing tourist voyages around the bay.
Are there Islands on Dublin Bay?
Dublin Bay has two Islands. Bull Island at Clontarf and Dalkey Island on the southern shore of the Bay.
What is the river that flows into Dublin Bay?
The River Liffey flows through Dublin city and into the Bay. Its tributaries include the River Dodder, the River Poddle and the River Camac.
What are the popular kitesurfing spots on Dublin Bay?
Dollymount, Burrow and Seapoint beaches
How many pleasure craft are there on Dublin Bay?
Approximately 1,500 boats from small dinghies to motorboats to ocean-going yachts. The vast majority, over 1,000, are moored at Dun Laoghaire Harbour which is Ireland's boating capital.
Is Dublin Bay a UNESCO Biosphere?
In 1981, UNESCO recognised the importance of Dublin Bay by designating North Bull Island as a Biosphere because of its rare and internationally important habitats and species of wildlife. To support sustainable development, UNESCO’s concept of a Biosphere has evolved to include not just areas of ecological value but also the areas around them and the communities that live and work within these areas. There have since been additional international and national designations, covering much of Dublin Bay, to ensure the protection of its water quality and biodiversity. To fulfil these broader management aims for the ecosystem, the Biosphere was expanded in 2015. The Biosphere now covers Dublin Bay, reflecting its significant environmental, economic, cultural and tourism importance, and extends to over 300km² to include the bay, the shore and nearby residential areas.
What yacht clubs are on Dublin Bay?
On the Southside at Dun Laoghaire, there is the National Yacht Club, Royal St. George Yacht Club, Royal Irish Yacht Club and Dun Laoghaire Motor Yacht Club as well as Dublin Bay Sailing Club. In the city centre, there is Poolbeg Yacht and Boat Club. On the Northside of Dublin, there is Clontarf Yacht and Boat Club and Sutton Dinghy Club. While not on Dublin Bay, Howth Yacht Club is the major north Dublin Sailing centre.
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IWDG Documents Evidence of Humpback Whale Scarred by Fishing Gear in Irish Waters
The Irish Whale and Dolphin Group (IWDG) says it has recently documented evidence of a humpback whale scarred by entanglement in fishing gear in Irish waters.
Humpback IRL#HB43 was photographed in Dingle Bay on Sunday 11 October by IWDG member Nick Massett, who noted in his images some significant scarring on its tail fluke that was not present when the same whale was spotted off West Kerry two months prior.
The charity says this scarring is consistent with entanglement — and it’s believed, based on the marine wildlife giant’s known movements between August and this month, that the lesions were sustained off West Kerry.
Humpback whales regularly feed in Ireland’s inshore waters during the summer and autumn. But this activity also brings the whales into close proximity with active fisheries.
“It’s likely this animal got caught in the rising rope of a marker buoy to a string of lobster pots, or gill net,” Massett says.
Entanglement in fishing gear is an issue of emerging concern to the IWDG, which is working with Dr Charla Basran at the University of Iceland’s Husavik Research Centre to quantify the rate of entanglement of humpback whales in Irish waters.
Dr Basran recently published work showing that 24.8% of 379 individual humpback whales photographed in Iceland presented wrapping injuries and notches known to be indicative of entanglement.
Ireland shares a whale population with Iceland, and the IWDG says will be interesting to quantify the rate of these lesions on whales photographed in Ireland — and potentially reveal where along their journey to the North Atlantic from their southern breeding grounds they pick up their wounds.
The IWDG is planning a workshop on the issue supported by knife-maker Spyderco, which has provided knives customised for cutting ropes from live whales.
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No Sign Of One Animal From Deadly Bottlenose Whale Stranding
One of the victims of a deadly mass stranding of bottlenose whales in Donegal last week has not reappeared, according to Highland Radio.
Seven of the marine mammals died in the biggest mass stranding of its kind on record in Ireland, as previously reported on Afloat.ie.
The eighth whale was refloated in the shallows when the tide came in, and hopes were that it would make to back to deeper waters on its own. However it was confirmed to have died the following morning, Thursdasy 20 August.
Local volunteers with the Irish Whale and Dolphin Group (IWDG) have appealed for the public to report any possible sightings, as they are keen to get samples which might reveal more details about the whale pod and its sudden demise.
Elsewhere, rare video has been captured of the humpback whale known as ‘Boomerang’ off West Cork, as RTÉ News reports.
The whale is the third humpback in the IWDG’s records. It was first identified in 2001 thanks to its unique dorsal fin, and has returned to feed in Irish waters regularly over the last two decades.
This story was updated on Monday 31 August to correct details about the refloated bottlenose whale, which was not presumed to have survived as the previous version stated.
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Humpback Whales In ’Feeding Frenzy’ Off Dingle Peninsula
Whale watchers off the Kerry coast have been gifted a treat with a “feeding frenzy” of humpback whales near the Dingle Peninsula, as RTÉ News reports.
As many as 12 of the marine wildlife giants have spent more than a week chasing sprat shoals even in inshore waters — providing a rare opportunity to see them from land.
And the number includes the latest addition to the Irish Whale and Dolphin Group’s records: a juvenile that’s the 107th individual humpback in Irish books since 1999.
But the approach of Storm Ellen later today (Wednesday 19 August) means any prospective whale spotters will have to put off their plans as Status Red conditions loom.
Ireland’s Humpback Whale Record Breaks 100th Sighting Milestone
The Irish Whale and Dolphin Group has celebrated a milestone with the confirmation of the 100th and 101st individual humpback whales in its catalogue of Ireland’s waters.
The sightings were made last Monday 20 July by Nick Massett in outer Dingle Bay — and reflect just how far the IWDG has come with its marine wildlife monitoring project, says IWDG sightings officer Pádraig Whooley.
Proper records first began in September 1999 with just three humpbacks spotted off the Kinsale Gas Fields in West Cork, and averaged fewer than one a year until the end of the Noughties, when the record totalled 12.
Humpback whale sightings became more numerous and West Cork it seemed no longer had a monopoly
“Then during the second decade, there was a change,” Whooley said.
“Humpback whale sightings became more numerous and West Cork it seemed no longer had a monopoly on the Big Winged New Englander, as individuals starting showing up as far east as Hook Head and Curracloe in Co Wexford.
“But there was always a sense that these were outliers; the real range expansion was further west off the Slea Head Peninsula, Co Kerry.
“During the second half of the decade it seemed fairly evenly split between the West Cork and West Kerry hotspots.
“That was until 2015 when something changed in the northeast Atlantic and in this year alone we doubled the numbers of animals on the catalogue from 33 to 66, with most of these showing up in West Kerry and almost all of them being new animals, never previously documented in Irish waters.”
This was also when the international research community began to take notice, especially since Irish sightings “were coming from an area where previously few humpbacks had been recorded”, Whooley said.
A remarkable leap for the humpback whale as it reaches an important milestone in Irish waters ? ? pic.twitter.com/fpSIBfhHE0
— RTÉ News (@rtenews) July 27, 2020
“We started off 2020 with 97 individually recognisable humpback whales, and it was always likely to be a big year for the catalogue, even with Covid.”
He added: “To have reached 100 by 2020, although not quite exponential, it is remarkable and surely mirrors the global recovery of this most iconic species.”
And the latest additions to the catalogue are not the only cause for celebration, as the IWDG have also made their third Irish match to the Cape Verde breeding grounds — the second this year after Ireland’s long-suspected link to the waters off West Africa was confirmed a year ago.
“It’s a great story and one IWDG look forward to sharing with you over the next 21 years,” Whooley said. “It seems humpback whales have an endless capacity to inspire both whale watchers and whale researchers alike.”
Documentary On Irish Mission To Find Humpback Whales In Arctic Circle Now Streaming Online
A new hour-long documentary following the Irish Whale and Dolphin Group (IWDG) on a unique research expedition to the Arctic Circle is now available to rent and watch on demand.
On The Trail Of The Humpback Whale tells the story of the IWDG’s weeks-long passage to Iceland two years ago in search of humpback whales, building links with the country and its people among the way.
Tony Whelan of Canola Pictures — which also produced The Humpback Whales of Cape Verde — was along for the voyage, documenting the team’s encounters with local people and marine wildlife alike.
The IWDG previously brought the story of their adventure on a nationwide tour — and now it can be enjoyed at home on your choice of computer, tablet, smartphone or streaming box.
Kerry Is The Kingdom For Humpback Whale Sightings
Nearly half of all humpback whales identified in Irish waters have been spotted off the coast of Co Kerry.
That’s according to new figures from the Irish Whale and Dolphin Group (IWDG), which also reveal that nearly 100 of the marine wildlife giants have been individually catalogued over the past 20 years — many of them return visitors.
IWDG chief executive Dr Simon Berrow tells the Irish Mirror that ‘citizen science’ contributions in the form of photos of cetaceans spotted offshore have been key to developing its catalogue of confirmed sightings.
“For someone to go out and find the whale, photograph the whale, recognise the whale and then go out and do it again a second or third time in the same season and give the information to us, is phenomenal,” he says.
Kerry leads the way for humpback whale sightings, accounting for almost half (46%) of the total.
But neighbouring Cork, at 42%, isn’t much further behind — and Waterford, Wexford, Galway and Clare also present good sighting opportunities.
The Irish Mirror has more on the story HERE.
IWDG Matches Second Irish Humpback Whale To Cape Verde Breeding Grounds
Despite desktop research replacing field work during the ongoing Covid-19 pandemic, the Irish Whale and Dolphin Group recently made a breakthrough in confirming a second Irish humpback whale at breeding grounds off Cape Verde — following last year’s confirmation of what was long suspected by researchers.
The match with HBIRL78 — first sighted off Hook Head in January 2017 — was made in collaboration with Lindsey Jones of the North Atlantic Humpback Whale Catalogue and “suggests we were right to invest our time and energy into this archipelago”, writes IWDG sightings officer Pádraig Whooley.
Although there is little chance of any further trips this breeding season, with Cape Verde having shut down like much of the world to control the spread of the virus, the latest find will be encouraging when field work can resume in 2021.
“HBIRL78 may still be in the waters of Sal Rei Bay, Boa Vista, looking to mate or give birth, and if this is the case, it still has a long 4,250 km northbound journey ahead of it,” says Whooley. “It could of course have completed it’s reproductive mission, in which case it may be little more than a few weeks away from finding itself within scoping range of our southwest headlands.
“Whether of course we’ll be able to get out on boats to photograph it when it does return will be down to a much smaller and far less welcome organism. But given the current Covid-19 environment, I can think of nothing better for body, soul or mind, than to sit on a headland for a few hours and try to spot our returning humpbacks.”
IWDG Seeks New Sponsor For ‘Pioneering’ Humpback Whale Tracking Project
The Irish Whale and Dolphin Group (IWDG) is seeking a new sponsor for its “pioneering” WhaleTrack Ireland project.
Previously backed by Ryanair, WhaleTrack Ireland seeks to understand how the large marine wildlife — especially humpback whales — are using Irish waters, largely through citizen science.
During the last 12 months, the IWDG says it has increased its work raising awareness of humpback whales “to unprecedented levels in Ireland”.
This includes the first ever confirmation of breeding grounds in Cape Verde for whales that frequent Irish shores.
“In order to continue this important work the IWDG need a new sponsor,” the group says.
“We have significant capital equipment purchased under the Ryanair sponsorship but require funds to support fieldwork and maintain our photo ID catalogues and provide support to our citizen scientists.
“This work supports the development of marine tourism in Ireland and greatly enhances the opportunities to go and see these magnificent creatures as well as ensuring their long-term conservation.
“The IWDG estimates that this costs around €40,000 per annum to maintain our current level of activity.”
Prospective sponsors, or those who could connect the group with same, are encouraged to get in touch with the IWDG at [email protected]
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IWDG Sets Sail For Cape Verde This Weekend On Latest Humpback Whale Research Mission
The Irish Whale and Dolphin Group (IWDG) sets sail this weekend for Cape Verde next month on its eighth humpback whale expedition.
Funded by the Island Foundation, this two-week mission comes just months after the IWDG finally confirmed the breeding grounds for Ireland’s regular humpback whale visitors near the west African island chain.
Cape Verde also appears to be a chosen spot for these marine wildlife giants from both ends of the earth, as a previous mission in September 2014 recorded humpbacks that usually feed in the southern hemisphere.
Next month’s mission, while building on this research, will also involve training local marine biologists in cetacean survey and research techniques “to empower them to take ownership of whale and dolphin conservation”.
Spanish research group Edmaktub will be providing its 47ft Lipari catamaran as a research platform for their work, updates from which will be posted to a dedicated Facebook page.
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‘Spyhopping’ Humpback Whale Surprises Father & Son Off Kerry Coast
Father and son Terry and Tomás Deane went out from the Kerry coast on the longest day of the year with the intention of finding marine wildlife.
But little did they expect they would come face-to-face with a pod of humpback whales — one of which spyhopped off the bow of their RIB.
As RTÉ news reports, the duo spent an hour watching the pod of three humpbacks feeding some 15 miles north-west of Brandon before the cetaceans approached their small boat.
The magical moment when a 14-year-old boy came face to face with a humpback whale off the Co Kerry coast ? pic.twitter.com/g6Yr0MP3zr
Using a GoPro camera, they were able to film the whales swimming about around and beneath their vessel before the surprising moment when one spyhopped — surfaced vertically to get a better look — just feet away.
“It was unreal,” says Terry. “We were shaking, not with fear, but in awe.”
RTÉ News has more on the story HERE.
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BEA to Release First Official GDP Estimates
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The size of every county’s economy with industry detail will be officially released for the first time by the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis on Dec. 12.
BEA will estimate annual gross domestic product, or GDP, for the years 2001 through 2018 for more than 3,000 counties. The data will include contributions to GDP by 34 industries, such as manufacturing, retail trade, and health and social assistance.
Measuring GDP at the county level is a milestone in BEA’s efforts to better capture how economic activity is distributed across the nation. This new information, in high demand by data users, will complement the county personal income statistics BEA has produced since 1975.
GDP for counties and metropolitan statistical areas will be published together at 8:30 a.m. on Dec. 12 in a new joint release called Local Area Gross Domestic Product, 2018. It replaces the Gross Domestic Product by Metropolitan Area release of previous years.
BEA will continue to publish annual county and metro GDP statistics each December. In addition to industry contributions to GDP, the data will include current-dollar GDP; inflation-adjusted or real GDP; percent change from the preceding year; and quantity indexes.
The county statistics can be used for comparisons to other counties, metropolitan areas, state economies, or the nation overall.
They can answer questions such as:
What is the size of a county’s economy?
Is its economy growing or declining?
In which industries does the county specialize?
What industries are driving its growth?
What has been the county’s economic growth trend over time?
Business owners, county officials, and policymakers at all levels of government can use these statistics to make better-informed decisions about investments, economic development, or economic policies.
High-quality, consistently defined time series data for counties across the United States will aid research into topics such as the distribution of national economic output, local economic dynamics, and the effectiveness of economic development strategies.
Like county personal income data, the new GDP statistics will cover 3,113 areas, including county equivalents such as Louisiana’s parishes and Alaska’s boroughs, the District of Columbia, and the independent cities in Maryland, Missouri, Nevada, and Virginia. Kalawao County, Hawaii, and the smaller independent cities of Virginia are combined with adjacent counties.
GDP statistics are based on the place of production, such as the county where an office or factory is located, regardless of where the workers live. This differs from BEA’s personal income statistics, which measure the incomes of all people residing in a county, no matter where they work.
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BEA released prototype county GDP data last December and sought evaluation and feedback from data users. The responses and further research led BEA to refine its methodology and add significant industry detail to the coming official release.
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We are Stories
In the end, we are the stories we tell: the black bear that chased its cubs down the road in front of us story, the I got boxed in at the finish story, the then the ranger told us there was no where to get water for thirty miles story. Much has been made about cycling’s secret handshakes, its racing culture, its sharp-jawed elite participants and its vanity. (All of which, to be fair, is one pillar of what makes pedaling great.) But those aren’t the whole deal.
On the whole, cycling is about the experience of moving. That a human pedaling a bike is the most efficient method of animal locomotion- three times the speed of walking with five times the efficiency – offers a perspective that quite literally nothing else in the world can match. It’s not possible to see more with less energy. The act of pedaling, itself, is a tale.
Furthermore, a rider livesmore in the time that they pedal. Unencumbered by any enclosed space, held aloft, riding is a platform, a way to take in more. Ride 90 miles in the rain and your understanding of rain changes. Pedal for three days with someone and how they trade time in-and-out of the wind will give you real insight into the fabric of their character. Pedal from pavement to dirt road to two-track to a forgotten game path in a lonely wood and the memoir of a landscape writes itself under your tires in progressive chapters.
The goal of Velocio is to create clothing that improves the experience of riding, to get at the stories told by cycling more efficiently, more comfortably, more absolutely. We do this by marrying technological progress in apparel with the natural progress of pedaling. We celebrate design that adds to the conversation, that says “hello” when you pass by and that encourages a little more so here’s what happened with every ride.
Design. Ride. Design again. It goes on like this for a while. Velocio clothing is built around fit first. Every fabric, panel, seam, enclosure, and stitch is considered. We sweat the details. We source materials from amazing Italian mills because we're picky about fabrics that manage moisture and extend comfort. The result is a better riding experience. A better story around cycling.
That story is the crucial key to our process. It means cycling clothing that rides perfectly and looks inspired. It means clothing that withstands trend and upholds style. Classic lines beat cheap attention grabs. Technical function doesn't happen at the cost of beautiful clothing. We ask over and over: Can-we-make-it-better? Is this just right? How can we write a better cycling story?
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In a place that’s defined by stone walls and a healthy work ethic, it’s easy to miss the fact the design quality, beauty and doing the job right are intrinsic in New England culture that informs Velocio design. Likewise, we’re inspired by New England stories: from the nation’s first takes at textile manufacturing to the earliest cyclocross races in the U.S., there’s a current of inspiration running from Derby Line to Wells Ave, from Gloucester to the forgotten two-tracks of Vermont.
Ground zero for performance cycling apparel for more than 60 years, Italy bears more mills, manufacturers and history around cycling clothing than any other region in the world. All Velocio designs are proprietary and aimed at improving the experience of cycling making our partners in the creation of that clothing that much more crucial. We're proud to marry New England design and Italian construction for a unique cycling story.
Making Our Clothing: It isn’t enough to make beautiful clothing for cycling. At Velocio we care about how our clothing is made, how the folks that make our clothing are treated, where the raw material of our clothing comes from and what we stand for as a company. We work with a family-owned Italian manufacturer with over a half century of experience sewing and constructing garments. We’ve met the sewers, chatted with the printers and shared coffee with the fabric suppliers. Velocio clothing is made under strict EU labor guidelines and fair labor practices. Velocio fabrics are carefully considered for their performance and function balanced within their impact, environmentally. Our mills are Bluesign approved and have undergone reviews for their treatment of wastewater and energy efficiency meeting the European standards for environmental conservation. Velocio packaging is recyclable. All printed collateral is made on 100% post consumer recycled product. Velocio uses minimal packaging in shipping.
Velocio + The Conservation Alliance Our clothing is made to perform amidst riding adventures. The forgotten two-track that tires out beyond the edge of the pavement, the lost pieces of road through miles of unknown space, those are our best testing grounds. We believe in the Conservation Alliance because it has a proven track record of bringing together brands from the outdoor industry and affecting real change. Furthermore, The Conservation Alliance doesn't shirk from protecting those lands to be enjoyed. We've ridden trails saved by funds from the Conservation Alliance, we've pedaled past vast expanses of beauty that make is moved and proud to be a part of the cycling community, the outdoor community, the human community. We're members of The Conservation Alliance and we're proud of the work our membership does on behalf of wild places, imagination and adventure.
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February 26, 2014 by Tania Marien
Plants, Life, Riverside is an ongoing interpretive project about plants in an urban setting, continuing ArtPlantae’s mission of encouraging an interest in plants and addressing the subject of “plant blindness”. Where do plants reside in this city of concrete, asphalt and stucco? Let’s find out.
The Inland Empire region of southern California is home to many native species of plants and animals. It is also home to many invasive species that threaten local plant communities and animal populations. The Inland Empire is a two-county area east of Los Angeles composed of San Bernardino and Riverside counties. In terms of mileage, the Inland Empire (or “IE”) is generally 60 miles from Los Angeles. In terms of drive time…well, the 80-mile commute to west Los Angeles from Riverside can take 3.5 hours during peak commuting hours.
Nestled below the San Bernardino Mountains, is the Santa Ana Watershed. The watershed is an area of land through which water flows from the mountains to a single outlet at the Pacific Ocean. Water flowing from the mountains travels through four counties on its way to the ocean. These counties are San Bernardino, Riverside, Los Angeles and Orange County. The Santa Ana watershed, its plant and animal communities and its namesake river are monitored by many resource conservation districts whose objectives are to promote the care of natural resources within the watershed.
The Santa Ana Watershed Association (SAWA) began as a collaborative of local Resource Conservation Districts and the Orange County Water District. Formed in 1996, the purpose of the new association was to eradicate Giant Reed (Arundo donax) and other invasive species that had established themselves in the Santa Ana River. The Association became a nonprofit organization in 2000.
While earlier efforts focused primarily on field work, biological monitoring and habitat restoration, SAWA realized there was a need to educate the public about watershed issues. The Education and Public Outreach Department was formed in 2008 and in five short years, the three-person department has established itself as a major player in environmental education. The educators at SAWA participate in 30 outreach events per year, host four to eight educational events of their own and host four volunteer days (e.g., “clean up” events) at different locations in the Inland Empire. The Education Department connects with 12,000 people per year through its workshops, field trips and events, operates an interpretive center at Chino Creek Wetlands and Educational Park and is responsible for establishing the California Naturalist program in the Inland Empire.
You may already be familiar with the Master Gardener program and its requirement of 40 class hours and volunteer time. The California Naturalist program is similar in that it also requires 40 class hours. It differs from the gardening program in that it does not currently have the volunteer requirement. Participants are instead required to complete a capstone project to earn certification. Capstone projects must be a citizen science project, an educational or interpretive project, or be a work effort benefiting a local environmental organization.
The California Naturalist program was created by UC Davis as a way to promote environmental literacy and engage California residents in the stewardship of California’s natural resources. This program exists in the Inland Empire because of the tireless efforts of Carrie Raleigh, SAWA’s Education and Public Outreach Manager. Carrie was already familiar with naturalist programs for the public because she herself had completed Florida’s Master Naturalist program in 2006. She returned to California, began work with SAWA and in 2011 began looking for a comparable program in California. She learned about the California Naturalist program through the UC Cooperative Extension. One of the first adopters of the program in inland southern California, Carrie worked on the program with her staff for two years and launched the Inland Empire California Naturalist program in
Fall 2013.
Subject areas covered in the 40-hour program include: native plants, nature journaling, geology, climate, water resources, wildlife, forest and woodland resources, interpretation, communication, citizen science, and global environmental issues.
Thirty-six states have a Master Naturalist program. If you are interested in becoming a certified naturalist in your area, look for Master Naturalist programs near you.
If you live in the IE and want to learn more about the local California Naturalist program, see California Naturalist in the Inland Empire. To inquire about upcoming sessions, contact Carrie Raleigh.
On May 29, 2014, the Santa Ana Watershed Association closed its Education department. To inquire about future programming in the Inland Empire for the California Naturalist Program, please click on the link below.
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With adequate moisture and light, these spores begin to grow into small flat plants called prothallia, the second phase in the life cycle. They are usually brown or black spheres, adhering to the leaf, and the size varies according to variety. Which of the following is a likely condition for a population showing exponential growth? Karyogamy is key because it helps recombine two different genetic material. a. carrying capacity has been reached c. excess food b. disease d... Malan bought 7eights of turkey at the deli he used 2third of it to make sandwiches for lunch how much of the turkey did marlan use for sandwich... Lina, cristina y yo somos buenas amigas. When sori develop on the … Spores are usually haploid and unicellular and are produced by meiosis in the sporangium of a diploid sporophyte. Gram-negative bacteria have a cell wall that is! Few people can recognize the fern, however, in its sexual form, which appears as a tiny kidney-shaped plant referred to as the gametophyte or prothallium. The basic shape of these reproductive cells may, for instance, be either tetrahedral or bilateral, while their walls may be either smooth or variously patterned. Male and female sex organs develop on the prothallia. When these structures dry out, they rupture, releasing the numerous spores they … Form and function Spore. The nurse is caring for rescued flood victims in the emergency department. certain eubacteria are responsible for food poisoning. The spores of a fern are ONE step of its reproduction. Answers: 1 Get Other questions on the subject: Biology. Ferns display a wide diversity of spore types in terms of shape, wall structure, and sexuality, and these types prove to have great value in determining taxonomic relationships. select all that apply. The meristematic area—the region of new cell growth—that produces them may continue its activities over a number of weeks, producing sporangia of all ages, older ones being pushed aside as new ones mature in their turn. 3x-3y=6 6x-7y=8 a. eubacteria thrive in extreme environments. I. most live as decomposers and heterotrophs. The royal fern, Osmunda regalis, is a notable exception in that it bears its spores on the conspicuous modified ends of the fronds. Fern spores are typically covered in a thick cell wall, but may exhibit a wide variety of characteristics, many of which play a critical role in determining the taxonomic classification of species. It is said that fern spores need to be sown during lengthening days (springtime) not shortening day lengths, in my experience this makes a huge difference. The asexual form, known as a sporophyte, is representative of the fern as it is most commonly known. The male sperm of a pro-thallus is motile (!) and does not accept the stain, making itappear. It is the last step in the process of fusing together two haploid eukaryotic cells, and refers specifically to the fusion of the two nuclei. The reason for the diversity of spores in such regards is not fully understood by modern scientists, many of the differences that occur among the cells seeming to have no functional purpose. Under favourable conditions the spore can develop into a new organism using mitotic division, producing a multicellular gametophyte, which eventually goes on to produce gametes. Which of the following best describes the graph shown below? If you already have a collection of ferns or have permission to gather fertile fronds from someone else's collection or from the wild, then you don't have to depend on spore exchanges. Though they were the dominant type of vegetation found on Earth during the Carboniferous period, ferns are somewhat decreased in distribution in modern times, but are still found around the world. Gathering spores only requires patience, persistence and attention to detail. Solve the system of equations algebraically. Depending on species, sori may appear on all or only a fraction of the plant’s leaves. the percentage of food that the united states wastes each year is %. Fern spores usually form during: spring winter summer fall. However, as spores ripen in sequence (from tip to stem), it is often possible to fi… clumped distribution, because you'de have all of the population gathered in a relatively small are. The full functional significance of the different types, except on … The fern spore—a single living cell, usually protected by a thick wall—is the main source of population dispersal, being readily carried by wind. This step is part of the sexual reproduction of fungi too. Ensure that the spores are ripe before you gather them, and you can judge this by colour. You will receive an answer to the email. it's the most common because it provides protection and a mate for reproduction, x would be the most and the least would be y because there are more fruit and seeds than flock z has insects. Sometime during the growing season, a mature fern releases spores, which are the plant’s sexually reproductive cells. Question sent to expert. And millions of other answers 4U without ads. Fern - Fern - The sorus: Hand in hand with the reduction in size of single sporangia are seen more and more complex aggregations of sporangia known as sori. The reproduction of most ferns involves an alternation of sexual and asexual generations. This is the steps that usually follows the Plasmogamy stage. most only thrive in a narrow range of environments. Ferns are primitive, spore-producing vascular plants with true roots, stems, and complex leaves. 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No fewer than 344 of the students kidnapped from Government Science Secondary School, Kankara, Katsina State, last Friday night, have been released.
Abdul Labaran, the Director-General, Media, Governor Aminu Bello Masari of Katsina State confirmed the figure. The government has earlier claimed the figure was 333. There were rumours that the figure could be as high as 500.
The students had been in the kidnappers’ den for six days. A video circulating online showed that the students were on their way to Katsina.
Gunmen, who came on motorbikes had last Friday, invaded the school’s premises around 11 pm shooting indiscriminately to scare residents. The operation led to the disappearance of over 300 students.
Boko Haram had on Tuesday claimed responsibility for the attack.
“They are on their way to Katsina, the military finalised the negotiations with them, they will be received by the governor anytime from now,” the source said.
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Decades ago, every electronic device was sealed with one of two types of screws: a minus-shaped Flat/Slot head, or a plus-shaped Phillips head. There was no concept — at least, for common consumer electronics — that average people shouldn’t be able to unscrew their gadgets and take them apart. And the only reason to have multiple Flat or Phillips head screwdrivers was to handle bigger or smaller screws.
Times have changed, and “security screws” have become increasingly common. Apple actually started using tamper-resistant screws in its Macs years ago, but when it added Pentalobe screws to the iPhone 4, the media took notice, and there was a brief public flare-up (actual sample headline: “Apple iPhone 4 Uses ‘Evil,’ Tamper-Proof Screws”). Despite initial frustration, however, the solution turned out to be simple: buy an inexpensive Pentalobe screwdriver, or alternately, a multi-bit screwdriver with tons of different bits, like iFixit’s 54-Bit Driver Kit.
I’ve been using iFixit’s kit for so long and across so many great Mac upgrade projects that I consider it essential to my office; if a Mac, hard drive, or other peripheral needs to be opened, the 54-Bit Driver Kit almost always can do it. But since most people have no idea what Pentalobe, Torx, Tri-Wing, Hex and other bits look like or are supposed to do, I’ve assembled this guide to explain them all, focusing on the ones used in Apple products. By the time you’re done reading this article, you’ll have a good sense of the world of security screws, and the reasons it’s handy to keep a kit around to open anything up…
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Fri Sep 20th 2013 by abagond
The Taino genocide (1492-1518) is where the Spanish wiped out most of the Tainos (Arawaks), the native people of the northern Caribbean (present-day Cuba, Jamaica, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Bahamas, etc). Columbus himself set it in motion and oversaw it till 1500.
According to one estimate, genocide and disease wiped out 3 million of the 3.5 million Tainos – 85%. Most were already dead when smallpox arrived in 1518.
Columbus noticed two things about the Tainos:
They wore gold jewellery.
Their most advanced weapon was the spear.
Columbus:
With 50 men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.
Columbus made La Taina, the land of the Tainos, into a living hell. It went way beyond simply killing those who fought Spanish rule. The Spanish had the Tainos:
grilled,
cut up into pieces like sheep,
run down by hunting dogs and torn to pieces,
strung up and burned alive 13 at a time – in memory of Jesus and his 12 Apostles.
They killed even women and children. Even babies: the Spanish threw babies against rocks and into rivers – and laughed. They cut off pieces of Tainos for entertainment. They cut off their heads for practice. They raped women and girls – and brought back syphilis to Europe. They even raped the wife of a king.
The Spanish were kinder to their animals than to the Tainos.
If a Taino killed a Spaniard, the Spanish killed 100 Tainos in return.
They killed Tainos by the thousands, even those who brought them food and gifts. They killed half the people of the kingdom of Maguana outright.
After the killing fields, the Spanish divided the remaining Tainos among themselves to teach them the Christian faith:
For Taino men that meant working in the mines, often being worked to death. As many as 90% died within in three months.
For Taino women that meant working the land, even the heavy work that men used to do.
There was so little food that babies died for lack of milk. Children died of hunger by the thousands. Men were worked so hard in the mines that few children were born.
Columbus demanded a certain amount gold or cotton from each Taino over the age of 13. Those who failed to meet his demands had their hands cut off.
All this was shocking behaviour by Western standards of the time.
When there were no longer enough Taino workers left, the Spanish brought in African slaves to take their place.
It was such a hell on earth that:
Mothers killed their babies.
Mass suicides were common.
Many fled to the mountains, blacks too, fighting the Spanish from there.
Hatuey, one of the Taino kings of Cuba, told his people to throw their gold into the river: the Christians worshipped gold as their god and would kill them for it.
In 1512 when Hatuey was about to be burned at the stake (pictured), a Franciscan brother told him him about the Christian faith to save his soul. When Hatuey found out that most good Christians were going to Heaven, he chose Hell.
Source: Mainly “A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies” (1542) by Bartolome de Las Casas.
Hear Staceyann Chin tell it – she talks about Hispaniola, but it was pretty much the same in Cuba, Jamaica and Boriquen (Puerto Rico).
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And to believe we have a holiday called “Columbus Day”. US schoolkids are taught to revere him as a hero.
on Fri Sep 20th 2013 at 13:26:43 Jess
It’s sad that today I hear people say that Native peoples’ civilization and history should not be respected because they were savages. How ironic the disgusting things Europeans did to them and we worship their cultures.
on Fri Sep 20th 2013 at 13:27:06 Bulanik
Horrifying, but thank you for the education, Abagond
The way this story was told in the past was that ALL Tainos (the Arawaks) were exterminated. This was to make the conquest of one and defeat of the other, absolute. Perhaps this was not unlike the way the Tasmanian Genocide was handled — the commonly held belief was that there was nothing left of them, even when there was.
on Fri Sep 20th 2013 at 14:09:41 Mrs.Ocean-Graham (TorontoGirl)
What did I tell u? This is how they are…yet Hispanics and others still want to worship them…
on Fri Sep 20th 2013 at 14:41:07 Da Jokah
That’s controversial. From Wikipedia…
Researchers today doubt Las Casas’s figures for the pre-contact levels of the Taíno population, considering them an exaggeration. For example, Anderson Córdova estimates a maximum of 500,000 people inhabiting the island.
Historians have determined that the massive decline was due more to disease than any warfare or direct attacks.[44][45] By 1507 their numbers had shrunk to 60,000. Scholars believe that epidemic disease (smallpox, influenza, measles, and typhus) was the overwhelming cause of the population decline of the indigenous people.
As Viceroy and Governor of the Indies, Columbus was a tyrannical dictator and very brutal. When Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand found out they removed Columbus from power and had him brought back to Spain in chains.
on Fri Sep 20th 2013 at 15:31:25 Dave Myers
Randall Robinson’s , “Quitting America” ,
is a very good resource on Taino Indian information per their introduction to the Spanish .
Is it no wonder we’re seeing the same thing today in the West, only with greenbacks and precious stones added in the mix?
on Fri Sep 20th 2013 at 16:19:50 TMK
Eh, you state the 3.5 millions as if it was sure thing, but any pre-1492 numbers of Americas population are basically guesswork. I have seen Hispaniola numbers ranging from 200 000 to 8 millions.
on Fri Sep 20th 2013 at 16:22:26 The Taino genocide | Community Village Daily | ...
[…] "The Taino genocide (1492-1518) is where the Spanish wiped out most of the Tainos (Arawaks), the native people of the northern Caribbean (present-day Cuba, Jamaica, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Bahamas, etc). Columbus himself set it in motion and oversaw it till 1500.According to one estimate, genocide and disease wiped out 3 million of the 3.5 million Tainos – 85%. Most were already dead when smallpox arrived in 1518…." […]
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on Fri Sep 20th 2013 at 17:10:43 Sharina
I have never read something so horrifying in my life.
on Fri Sep 20th 2013 at 17:22:22 Riverside_Rob
Sad and horrifying – what a terribel thing to do.
“I have never read something so horrifying in my life”
Have you ever heard of the Atlantic Slave Trade ??
Well yes, if you want to consider watered down history lessons actually hearing about the Atlantic Slave Trade. To be fair I have yet to hear a true horrific account of the events though.
sorry that was @ David Myers
on Fri Sep 20th 2013 at 18:04:15 mstoogood4yall
“When Hatuey found out that most good Christians were going to Heaven, he chose Hell.”
I can’t blame him, if I saw ppl acting like that i’d want to go in the opposite direction in the afterlife. It’s crazy to me that those so called Christians thought they would go to heaven after all the he11 they caused on earth smdh, but I see its like that still today,
This whole thing is sick, even if they were from different parts of Europe the way they tortured ppl and looked down on poc was still the same everywhere they went. same mo, everywhere kill off the indigenous ppl then bring in African slaves.
@ TMK
“Eh, you state the 3.5 millions as if it was sure thing”
No, I stated it to be what it was: “one estimate”.
“any pre-1492 numbers of Americas population are basically guesswork. I have seen Hispaniola numbers ranging from 200 000 to 8 millions.”
That is true for the Americas as a whole, but remember that in this case Las Casas was there. He said the population density was comparable to Europe, if not higher. That is not unreasonable since Taino society was based on cassava, which could support twice as many people as wheat. And, if memory serves, the Spanish carried out a census at least in the case of Cuba.
@ Da Jokah
Not sure what you are getting at. The numbers might have been lower. Most people might have died of disease. I left both those possibilities open in the post. So what? After the First World War more people died of swine flu than had died in battle. Does that make the war any less terrible?
on Fri Sep 20th 2013 at 20:56:44 mary burrell
This is horrendous.
on Fri Sep 20th 2013 at 21:42:39 Adonis
Brutal!!!
Isn’t that the same ung they’re doing now in Sierra Leone with the young kids and the blood diamonds. Thanks Kanye west, I wish there were more artist like him.
They never really change
on Fri Sep 20th 2013 at 22:07:32 Tomas Biabramael Gonzalez
Abagond, with a stroke of your post you have agreed with the revisionist historians agenda eliminating our people, our culture, our traditions and thousands of years of our history and our continued survival as a people, the Taino people. The Taino are not extinct regardless of what you may think or the resurrect you have come up with. If you or any of your readers and those who have responded to your post would like to see a living people simply type Taino on face book just to name one of the various places that you can find a living and vibrant people fighting against your type of ignorance and discriminating writings on subjects you know nothing about or even bother to do your research before posting this garbage about me and my people.
Tomas Baibramael Gonzalez
Proud to be Taino, see Taino 101 on face book
@ Tomas
If I got stuff wrong, then please kindly point it out. But please, before you do that, READ what I wrote. I said that according to one estimate genocide and disease wiped out 85% of the Tainos. That leaves 15% or a half million left. That hardly counts as “extinct”. In the first sentence I said “most”, not “all”. I know it is commonly assumed Tainos are extinct but PLEASE do not assume that I assume that unless it comes out of my own mouth.
Reading is so fundamental.
on Sat Sep 21st 2013 at 00:26:30 Linda
Tomas seemed somewhat hasty to condemn your post, so here are some figures about the survival of the Taino’s in Puerto Rico.
Taino survival was different island to island, like in Jamaica, they live on through the Maroons and their descendants but in Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic, Taino’s (unmixed) survived in their own villages but they were reclassified racially.
The Tainos were classified in the “Free Colored” category.
*The results of the Census were the following:
Year 1771 Year 1778
Whites…………… 31,951 46,756
Indians………….. 1,756 2,302
Free Colored……… 24,164 34,867
Free Negroes……… 4,747 7,866
Mulato Slaves…….. 3,343 4,657
Negro Slaves……… 4,249 6,603
*Loida Figueroa, The Native Issue, Colonization of Puerto Rico
Just like with the African population in Argentina, the Spanish “exterminated” the remaining Tainos on paper by purposely lying on the Census or by re-classifying their “race”.
“ The Complementary Declaration of July 28th, 1513, (from the Spain) established that those natives who were clothed, Christians, and were capable, could live their own lives, of course remaining subject to the same obligations sustained by the other vassals
The Jerome Fathers decreed that native villages should be established.
Since many of the encomenderos (slave owners) did not carry out the orders of the encomienda system, the attacks on the institution continued. Therefore, in 1544, Carlos I of Spain and V of Germany decided to abolish it.
The decree declared the natives to be as free as any Spaniard.
When the decree arrived, Rodrigo de Bastidas was Bishop, and he held a ceremony in the city of Puerto Rico (San Juan) where according to his report, sixty natives, old and young heard the reading of the royal decree. This figure has been currently interpreted to mean that the natives had almost been exterminated at that early date.
Salvador Brau comments that since Governor Manuel de Lando’s census in 1530 reports the existence of one thousand, one hundred and forty-eight (1,148) natives, it must be surmised that a tremendous amount of deaths had taken place to explain this decrease in numbers.
This same Bishop later discovered that the landowners had lied about the number of natives allotted to them when they heard about the decree.
Six years later the lawyer, Governor of Puerto Rico, Dr. Vallejo, found a great number of natives on the rural farms, all mixed up with African slaves and subject (as the salves), for sale and purchase
Our country’s natives seem to have been typed as “Indians” until the beginning of the XIXth century when Governor don Toribio Montes, faced with the difficulty of fixing ethnic origins, banded all the non-whites together under the title of free colored people (pardos)”
http://www.taino-tribe.org/tainos.htm
In eastern Cuba and in the very remote regions, there are still “pure” Taínos living in villages — Sierra Maestra, Yateras, Maisí, Jiguaní, and in Guantánamo (Caridad de los Indios)
Most speak Spanish but have retained much of their Taíno original culture and language. This is the area in Cuba made famous by Hatuey.
http://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survival-quarterly/cuba/indians-cuba
and just to give some depth to describe why Hatuey (Taino chief burned at the stake) and his last words were made famous:
“Hatuey, a Taíno chief from Hispaniola, had escaped in canoes with about four-hundred men, women and children, to warn the Cubans about what to expect from the Spaniards. He explained the need to join against their common enemy, the white men who had inflicted so much suffering on his people.
Hatuey showed the Cubans a basket full of gold and jewels. “Here is the God the Spaniards worship,” he said, “for these they fight and kill;
The Taínos of western and central Cuba could not believe the horrendous message brought by Hatuey, and few joined him.
Hatuey’s strategy against the Spaniards was to attack, guerilla fashion, and then disperse to the hills, where the Indians would regroup for the next attack. For about three months Hatuey’s tactics kept the Spaniards on the defensive, afraid to leave their fort at Baracoa.
Through a traitor, Velásquez was able to surround and capture Hatuey. On February 2, 1512, Hatuey was tied to a stake at the Spanish camp, where he was burned alive.
Just before lighting the fire, a priest offered him spiritual comfort, showing him the cross and asking him to accept Jesus and go to heaven. “Are there people like you in heaven?” he asked. “There are many like me in heaven,” answered the priest. Hatuey answered that he wanted nothing to do with a God that would allow such cruelty to be unleashed in his name.”
http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/oriente/hatuey.htm
on Sat Sep 21st 2013 at 02:49:20 Anne
Someone does protest too much, perhaps they wanted to start an argument that will never materialize. Or maybe just a rush to judgement in an attempt to prove their credentials.
Agabond, thanks for posting this. I mean that Mel Gibson film seemed to leave all the best stuff out. I thought Columbus was a saint. Reminds me of a song.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zU9GYLzONaI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzU9GYLzONaI
on Sat Sep 21st 2013 at 05:46:19 oogenhand
Are the sources for this genocide English and/or Dutch?
on Sat Sep 21st 2013 at 06:35:52 abagond
@ oogenhand
I listed my main source right in the post, so I do not know where some get the idea that I used revisionist historians or English propaganda. My main source was:
“A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies” (1542) by Bartolome de Las Casas.
Las Casas was a Spanish priest who was there during the time of the genocide and saw it first-hand. He even spoke to Columbus himself. As maybe you can tell, his account is laced with sarcastic irony – so-called Christians giving Christianity a bad name.
on Sat Sep 21st 2013 at 07:19:10 TMK
Yes, sorry, i dont know how i missed that you wrote it is one estimate only, silly on my part.
By the way, i heard that Las Casas, after witnessing the horrors, argued for bringng African slaves for work. He later regretted that a lot.
Is that mentioned in his account that youve read?
on Sat Sep 21st 2013 at 07:30:04 Da Jokah
Not sure what you are getting at.
What I am “getting at” is the numbers you gave were rejected by modern historians as a gross exaggeration. And your characterization of “genocide” is similarly rejected by modern historians who list disease as “the overwhelming cause of the population decline.”
I left both those possibilities open in the post. So what?
So one of the possibilities isn’t valid. “Genocide” is a very specific thing. There may be evidence of oppression including executions but there’s no evidence of genocide.
Making it about disease or the numbers are two common ways genocides are denied:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/how-to-deny-a-genocide/
Even if most people died of disease, that does not mean there was no genocide. Just like how most people dying of swine flu after the First World War does not mean there was no war.
As it is, disease is a common cause of death in genocides as people are pushed off their land, denied food aid, etc. In this case, where people were overworked and underfed, many would die of “disease”.
Las Casas saw women and children being killed as a common practice – that is genocide: it serves no military objective other than to wipe out a people. Las Casas saw this stuff with his own eyes – the massacres, the grilling and so on.
Also: If you have ever seriously researched anything you will find that the Wikipedia is not that great. I certainly would not trust it over a primary source. That would be madness. It could not even get Zoe Saldana’s ethnicity right. It is one of those “better than nothing” things.
you’re very patient to even respond to Da Jokah and others who like to disagree with you for the h’ll of it.
I’m sure he never even heard of Tainos before reading your post, much less, have a clue as to the history surrounding the Caribbean and it’s aboriginal people.
Anyone who is really interested can read texts written in Spanish that discusses the history of the Caribbean and the Tainos.
The Spanish were quite adept at record keeping (better than the British), so it’s not necessary to leap and jump through hoops to get information.
on Sat Sep 21st 2013 at 09:27:19 Adonis
Guys like @DaJokah are about endurance, not about getting it right.
So, again, my motto is to enjoy the ride rather than to actually expect them to get smart when it comes to race.
It is not in their best interest to admit racism, because again, that means there would have to a redistribution of wealth, and whites would actually have to compete, not hide behind smokescreens like “Low IQ”.
Exaggerating numbers and passing off natural diseases as genocide are two ways in which racebaiters ply their trade.
As it is, disease is a common cause of death in genocides as people are pushed off their land, denied food aid, etc.
Disease is a common cause of death period. Not every epidemic is genocide. And the food shortage was the result of a Taino strike in which they stopped planting crops.
I don’t doubt that he saw women and children killed. Dictators frequently massacre those who resist to terrify the rest into submission. It’s a terror tactic but it’s not genocide.
Also: If you have ever seriously researched anything you will find that the Wikipedia is not that great. I certainly would not trust it over a primary source.
Most of the information on Wikipedia is sourced from others. That’s why every article has a long list of sources at the bottom. In this case your primary source was quoted followed directly by my quote that researchers today doubt Las Casas’s figures. The thing about primary sources is that they may be primary but it doesn’t mean they’re not bullshlt.
on Sat Sep 21st 2013 at 15:40:46 Tyrone
Black people will never defeat white supremacy until they uncover the ugly truth about the Iberians(Spain & Portugal). All of the racial baggage that we deal with, originated from both countries. We don’t like to talk about this issue because of The Moors, who ruled Iberia for 700-800 years. People wonder why black-americans only want to focus on the brits and french slave barons, while ignoring the genesis of our enslavement…Iberia.
on Sat Sep 21st 2013 at 16:53:39 mary burrell
The savage killing of these innocent people. The perpetrators of these brutal acts were animals, they stopped being humans. Just soulless beasts.
They raped and spread syphilis. Animals. I can’t imagine in my mind how a another human could be so evil, but then again I can’t forget about slavery, and the dehumanization of black slaves.
How is it, that individuals who commit the most heinous crimes, claim to be Christians?
Da Jokah,
Everything is a lie —
The dinosaurs never existed, Rome and Greece never existed, there is no such thing as electricity or atoms, WWI and WW2 were the figments of Everyone’s imagination, ALL your teachers lied to you…
everything you ever learned was a Lie because YOU weren’t there personally to Substantiate it’s existence — so therefore, no one in this world knows the truth but you….because
Even this post doesn’t exist…. we’re all a made-up figments in your imagination because in Reality, you are truly living on this planet all by yourself — waiting on the Haley Comet to pass by, so you can catch a ride to the real Universe!
(Sarcasm off, exiting stage left to go back to my non-reality called “life”)
@ Linda: Claping hands, that was awesome.
on Sun Sep 22nd 2013 at 02:21:14 Kwame
Met a Taino is Puerto Rico, pure blood, I was astonished! History books had taught me in Jamaica that all the Arawaks were dead. I got a couple of books in Puerto Rico to educate myself starting with calling these folks the right name, Taino versus Arawak which was their language. Having been to other islands, I have not seen another but then again, I have not gone to Cuba.
on Sun Sep 22nd 2013 at 04:12:52 Da Jokah
I’m not the one disagreeing with mainstream historians. You are.
on Sun Sep 22nd 2013 at 04:25:22 Adonis
@da Jokah
A lot of “mainstream” historians are agents to uphold white Supremacist/Eurocentric POV.
They are going to tell you half-truths or straight omit & lie if necessary. Not all of them. Most of them.
Are Tim Wise & James Loewen mainstream as well?
on Sun Sep 22nd 2013 at 04:31:50 abagond
Yale’s Genocide Studies counts it as a genocide, along with the likes of Rwanda and the Holocaust. Yale is about as mainstream as you can get:
http://www.yale.edu/gsp/colonial/hispaniola/
on Sun Sep 22nd 2013 at 09:09:16 jefe
Maybe DJ has found other mainstream studies that call the disappearance within a decade of whole groups of people at the hands of another by another name. Of course it coildn’t be helped.
on Sun Sep 22nd 2013 at 09:18:27 oogenhand
http://oogenhand.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/monogamy-then-youll-have-to-kill-enemy-women-and-children/
Yale’s article also says, It is uncertain how many Taíno were living in Hispaniola at first contact. Estimates of the population range from several hundred thousand to over a million.”
So much for your “primary source” figures eh?
It also says, “Within twenty-five years of Columbus’ arrival in Haiti, most of the Taíno had died from enslavement, massacre, or disease.” It sounds like they’re playing your open possibilities game. As I quoted earlier, “Historians have determined that the massive decline was due more to disease than any warfare or direct attacks.”
At this point you are being disingenuous. Most people can die of disease and it can still be genocide, as I pointed out above.
You are making it about the numbers – an old trick that Holocaust deniers use. For a long time it was thought that 4 million had died at Auschwitz. That turned out to be based on Soviet propaganda. Fair enough. Now it is believed that a million died there. BUT IT WAS STILL GENOCIDE.
Genocide deniers love to make it about the numbers because it is a great way to derail the argument. Congratulations.
Your saying that this genocide had no support from mainstream scholars was a fair objection, but one that turns out not to be true. If Yale’s Genocide Studies is not mainstream enough for you, then nothing is.
My dear DJ, can you not read?
The Yale website filed this under “Colonial Genocides”. The fact that some died under disease or enslavement did not affect Yale’s labelling it a genocide.
Please practice you reading skills and look up the definition of genocide again. You should be attempting to build your credibility, not dismantle it.
Most people can die of disease and it can still be genocide, as I pointed out above.
Yes, it can if the disease was deliberately spread with that intention. There’s no evidence of that.
You are making it about the numbers – an old trick that Holocaust deniers use.
Nice smear there, bud. You spout a ridiculous figure and anyone who objects is a “Holocaust denier”. And you called me disingenuous???
If Yale’s Genocide Studies is not mainstream enough for you, then nothing is.
LOL! There are plenty of crackpots at prestigious universities. Just because someone posted it on their website doesn’t magically transform a naturally occurring disease outbreak into genocide. The guy who put it on the website was a student worker! And the only citation he used was the one I quoted.. you know, the quote that says your primary source figures were bullshlt. I’d actually put more stock in the Wikipedia article. At least Wikipedia edits have to be approved by a committee. And they don’t get approved unless someone can back them up with sources.
At this point the only one you are fooling is yourself.
All the historians who “have determined that the massive decline was due more to disease than any warfare or direct attacks” must be fooling themselves to, right?
You are being wilfully obtuse. Or maybe just obtuse.
on Sun Sep 22nd 2013 at 17:33:16 sharina
I must say you thought more of him than I did. I had no thoughts whatsoever. I was just glad to stop hearing songs of praise of him in school.
on Sun Sep 22nd 2013 at 19:33:24 Linda
I’m not the one disagreeing with mainstream historians. You are”
and as a white American, who barely knows his own countries history, you have Absolutely nothing of value to add to this discussion — so you need to shut up and try to learn something for once.
on Sun Sep 22nd 2013 at 22:18:40 Anne
Did you listen to the calypso I linked to? It’s a classic.
on Mon Sep 23rd 2013 at 00:34:00 sharina
No, where is the link?
oops sorry I have it now.
on Mon Sep 23rd 2013 at 05:49:59 abagond
@ Average Bee: Comment deleted for use of insulting language.
on Mon Sep 23rd 2013 at 06:07:58 jefe
Why is it that white Americans feel sympathy for a white Jewish victim of genocide but not for Native American victims of genocide?
because white Americans performed the Native American genocide and “won”. Nazi Germany performed the Jewish Holocaust and “lost”.
Because they carried out genocides of the latter kind. There are eight stages to a genocide. Stage #3 is dehumanization:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/04/16/the-eight-stages-of-genocide/
Racial slurs are part of that dehumanization.
But, both reached stage 8
White Americans went through the stage of dehumanizing Native Americans to the point where they could carry out a genocide against them. They never dehumanized Jews to that degree, so Jews seem more human to them.
OK, I get your point now.
Jews got to stage 8 with German Nazis, but not with white Americans. With white Americans, they barely only got to about stage 3 briefly and then retreated back to stage 1. After Jews have become more or less white, they are not even stage 1 any more for the most part.
I think besides Native Americans, only Chinese-Americans reached all the way to stage 8 in the 1870s-1900s. They retreated back to stage 2 during WWII when Japanese-Americans went to stage 6.
on Mon Sep 23rd 2013 at 11:21:53 Da Jokah
Stage #3 is dehumanization
That’s the stage Abagond and his readers engage in.
“That’s the stage Abagond and his readers engage in.”—and I must say of all his readers you down right excel at it.
on Mon Sep 23rd 2013 at 17:52:17 Nobody Important
A lot of infantilizing and romanticizing of Indians here. Nice. Cute. Whites are evil, get as far away from them as you can.
on Mon Sep 23rd 2013 at 18:08:20 King
^ Wow what Christopher Columbus and Co. did to the Tianos was massively inhumane!
– “Um… stop ROMANTICIZING the Indians!”
Is that really the best you can do for logic?
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on Mon Sep 23rd 2013 at 23:17:18 resw77
I echo many of your comments above. How sad it is that when these so-called “Christians” came into contact with such generous and hospitable people, they couldn’t help but subjugate them, with the blessing of the pope. And yet Christians of today have the nerve to “cast the first stone” by calling Muslims violent and evil. SMH.
on Tue Sep 24th 2013 at 00:58:46 Herneith
Da Jokah, why do you keep changing the goalposts? When you are provided links from mainstream scholars you characterize them as ‘crackpots’. You are indeed a joker.
Typo…’Why do you keep changing the goalposts. Sorry, I was eating some trail mix!
I read that too, but not in this account. He thought blacks would hold up better under slavery than the Tainos. To his horror he later found out he was wrong.
The reason blacks replaced Tainos was not that they were better but that there was a nearly bottomless supply of them. Until the Transatlantic slave trade came to an end, it was more profitable to work them to death than to allow them to live to old age. In Barbados you made the most money if you could work them to death in seven years.
on Tue Sep 24th 2013 at 14:19:38 Bulanik
Isn’t it because Anne Frank was killed on European land? To this day, the bodies of the Americas’ Native peoples are expendable and violable because they exist on land that the likes of multinationals covet.
So, why not pollute and poison their environment if you can’t just “steal” it outright? Why not blame the Native folks themselves for their infirmities and diseases rather than any government’s policy of environmental contamination.
This is how governments and foreign interests come up smelling like a rose around corpses.
Maybe this is akin to the misinformation I was fed whilst learning about the Tainos: they were all exterminated, even when they weren’t, to make it sound that the conquest was absolute and all that was left behind (land and resources) completely belonged to the victors.
Correction: I meant to say:
This is how governments and foreign interests come up smelling like a rose whilst surrounded by corpses.
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on Wed Oct 16th 2013 at 17:38:04 llup
This is why I side-eye Latinos who rep their Spanish blood so hard. Which is generally, most of them.
on Wed Oct 16th 2013 at 18:16:16 oogenhand
Thanks. I admit being often a lazy reader.
on Fri Oct 25th 2013 at 21:18:23 deepdkchocolate
The spanish had dogs that could eat a native in under three minutes. One of the Spanish Governors in the “new world” built a home and had the quartered bodies of natives hanging from his porch to feed his dogs.What kind of “human being” does this?
on Tue Jan 14th 2014 at 19:03:01 Domingo Hernandez
Genocide is a symptom of a deep spiritual illness. It has been fostered by most colonial powers. The only reason there is so much documentation about the Spanish crimes is because they were willing to document even if it included documenting their crimes. The Americans went above and beyond their own expectations when killing indians and not in the 1500s but up to the 18th and 19th century.American Indians couldn’t practice their religions until 1979. More than half of the American Indian population now in the USA is not even recognized by the government. Spanish were horrible but so were the English, French ,Portuguese and Dutch.
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on Tue May 13th 2014 at 15:55:17 Dylan
before I had read this I thought he was a hero im 14 so my teachers fooled me pretty well
on Tue May 13th 2014 at 16:34:52 jefe
Hi, I am curious, what is being taught now in Junior High School and Senior High school classrooms about Columbus and about his voyages to the “New World” and the nature of his encountrances with the Native inhabitants. What does your textbook say?
on Tue May 13th 2014 at 17:50:58 gta5slasherman
from what I remember I think our teachers didn’t like the idea of teaching kids about genocide and how what some kids think as “The man who dicoverd America” was responsible for it. I think my books just focased on his voyage there and how this all came to be.
But, you know, the USA was founded upon genocide, slavery, ethnic cleansing, lynching, etc. By avoiding the subject, the teachers are avoiding a very essential element of history. Leaving it out causes history to be rewritten.
When I was growing up, I always wondered what happened to the Native Americans around where I grew up. It was never taught. Or the story is that they died from diseases brought over by Europeans and Africans and it couldn’t be helped. The real story is that they were removed to make room for European-American settlement. Removal is equivalent to ethnic cleansing, which could be just expulsion, or it could be genocide.
BTW, Try to pick a name and keep to it, otherwise the blogger might delete some of your posts thinking that you are trying to assume multiple personalities. He has a strict rule about that.
on Wed May 14th 2014 at 11:36:43 gta5slasherman
I know, Its like our teachers think we can’t handle it. But with what our economy is teaching us that you should learn this and only this.
oh,and thanks for the notification on the name thing.
on Wed May 14th 2014 at 17:39:46 jefe
^ Do you think it is the teachers, or perhaps the school board which dictates what and how to teach?
I recommend that you take a look at this book and learn about all sorts of misinformation that is taught in school.
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/02/15/james-w-loewen-lies-my-teacher-told-me/
When I was 14, I started to find some of the history taught in school a bit strange. When I did my project for Advanced History class in High School, I decided to do it on the myth or reality of the “Melting Pot” – what I found out gave me food for thought, and I found out I never could get satisfied until I could find out the truth.
The purpose of learning history in US high schools is not for you to learn the actual truth about history, but to teach you to be a patriotic American. It is particularly damaging for people who do not identify with the white mainstream. They learn that only white people shaped US history, and only their contributions counted.
thanks I’ll take a look
on Fri Jul 18th 2014 at 22:08:55 Isra
The Indian genocide was truly horrific indeed. I like how you have constructed this blog so well, it really makes the story clear and quite simple to understand. I believe that Bartolome de Las Casas really makes a point in his book ‘The Destruction if the Indies’. I would really like more history on this though because I would like to know what happened after Bartolome’s death. It does seem from modern evidence that the Tainos were wiped out by the Conquistadors from Cuba, Jamaica, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic; but I was wondering what other tribe besides the Tainos were living in the Caribbean Islands? I know the Mayans were traveling there for trading purposes, but did they established themselves in certain islands for long-term living? Did the Mayans live among the Tainos as well in certain islands? I just wondering. I think Bartolome’s works are pretty complete overall concerning what happened to the Tainos at the hands of the Spaniards, but I also know that nit all has been known. I mean Bartolome only didn’t make into the 1600’s for example, what was happening to the Tainos then? Is their another eyewitness who wrote about the Tainos downfall? Their a lot I would like to know I guess, no matter what I believe your article is very informative and easy to understand, thanks.
on Sat Jul 19th 2014 at 20:50:29 Raynetta Manees, Author
Reading this post today was especially poignant because the genocide of the Taino (Arawaks) is referenced in my book, FANTASY, which was just released for Kindle and Nook this month.
I write black romance novels, but to me the “black” aspect of my books entails more than just having African-American characters. Although my books are romances I always try to incorporate black culture and black history whenever possible. FANTASY takes place on a cruise ship, and Jamaica is one of the ports-of-call, which is how the subject comes up.
The section of the book that mentions the Arawak genocide is very short, and just as an FYI I’m including it below in this post. I hope by doing so I’m not violating blog etiquette.
“We goin’ to de Coyaba River Garden Museum as de first stop, Sam,” Avery told her, “and Coyaba means paradise in Arawak.”
“What the hell is an Arawak?” Ivory wanted to know.
“Well, mon, dere ain’t no more Caribbean Arawaks, who were also called Taino. Dey were the first people of Jamaica. De entire race was exterminated—killed by forced labor, torture, and diseases brought to de island by de Spaniards.”
“Damn,” Ivory said softly.
“De Jamaicans here today are descendants of slaves from Africa, who were brought over to replace de Arawaks,” Avery meaningfully continued.
Sameerah looked out the window again. But this time the scenery seemed not quite so captivating, not quite so welcoming, not quite so lovely.
Raynetta Manees, Author
on Thu Oct 23rd 2014 at 00:42:28 Michael
I don’t understand why the truth about Columbus and his men isn’t told in schools and is even celebrated as a holiday in the United States. This man was pure evil. He ranks right up there with Stalin and Pol Pot. Such an evil, evil sociopath. Worse, were the police under his command who carried out his orders maiming killing raping torturing at will. Without his men this genocide might have never have occurred.
The scope of this is unfathomable.
I can’t believe I am just now learning about this at 36 years old. Columbus evil and atrocities were so extreme that word reached the King and Queen of Spain from across and impassible sea and he was called back to be put on trial.
I’m upset this is not openly discussed by mainstream Historians who supposedly have a prime directive to report the truth. The evidence is overwhelming reported and depicted from multiple witnesses including Columbus himself all on original documents.
on Sun Nov 9th 2014 at 04:59:06 Robert Camacho
How it it that the torture, massacre and genocide of the size Taino population in its 3 to 8 million people is not sytematically recognized,throughout the world. It is not taught, acknowleged or mourned in the manner in which the Nazi Germany Holocaust by Germans and
Adolf Hitler is . Instead year after year
these atrocities go hidden and masked from history books . America
has a national holiday for the most
infamous Nazi of all time Christopher
Columbus . How is this continually allowed and their has never been an apology or acknowledgment as that of black slavery. Of which to this day
America still makes reparation and awareness of this crime against a people & humanity. Yet descendents
of Taino’s are not given the same respect and dignity.
on Mon Nov 10th 2014 at 19:21:21 Dave Myers
Robert , when and where have “reparations” been made to black American’s for the Institution of Slavery ? (specifics please . )
on Thu Mar 12th 2015 at 18:06:23 Speak Out
That pretty much sums up how people with the colonial/capitalist mentality act.
on Thu Apr 16th 2015 at 14:22:56 Francisco
I wish some entity perhaps the hewish community could assume the task to remind the world of these atrocities, for there are no Tainos to remind the world what the Spaniards did during the 13 and 14 century.
on Sat Apr 18th 2015 at 20:13:07 Madeline Beauchamps
Wow! Feeling devastated for our ancestors!!! Simply appalling!!! History is written by the victors so always slanted folks! Columbus was a tyrannical monster! When the King & Queen of Spain heard what he had done, he was brought back in chains to Spain! It’s amazing to me that knowing Columbus was not the first discover the new world & based on known facts, that United Statesmen still continue to have this farce of a holiday!!! Smdh!!!
Good news though! They did NOT manage to wipe us all out & the Tainos of the (Arawak) tribe are alive & thriving today!!! Just Google Taino/Arawak! 🙂
on Sun Apr 19th 2015 at 16:47:55 Charles Bashkiharatee
There is a place reserved for these spainards -damnation ; their descendants today are no better-racist bastards.
on Wed Apr 29th 2015 at 19:43:14 Mike Gonzalez
I really appreciate the information in this page. I’ve looked for information about the Taino and found very little. The funny thing is (or maybe not so funny) is that my father is of Taino ancestry (therefore so am I) and my mother is a spaniard. It’s really conflicting. I love my spanish heritage and hate it at the same time.
on Thu Jul 30th 2015 at 14:02:36 Ben J.
And the blacks and Puerto Ricans are what today? Primarily Christians? Losers. You have any idea how many of these natives were murdered because of Christian settlers? Amazing, that’s like worshiping the Ku Klux Klan a thousand years from now. Let me help you out here, humans/hominids are made up of billions of living things called cells. We are not individual. That means every cell would have a soul. King Hatuey chose to go to Hell before he was burned to death believing Christians were in Heaven. Thanks to nature’s reality he just died into nonexistance. Like 98 billion of us to date have and always will. Believe in yourself and your love ones. Religion is the greatest lie in human history.
on Wed Sep 2nd 2015 at 01:48:02 Laura Miranda
Can you also include the hyper link to your sources? That’s be great!
Great writing. Thank you.
on Fri Sep 25th 2015 at 23:53:13 Halia B.
Wow this is really informative.
on Mon Oct 12th 2015 at 17:37:21 Columbus Day: Makes as much sense as “Osama bin Laden Day” | LIBERTY ROAD MEDIA
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on Mon Oct 12th 2015 at 23:39:59 Uglyblackjohn
While I am a practicing Christian, I’d have to say that being of a different (or non-understood) religion compounded by ones perceived race seems to make it easier for Christians to dehumanize their victims and make them ripe for (self)righteous conquest.
If Africans could at one point in time be Popes it seems to me that they were not considered as being inferior and less learned. (After the schism it may have been easier to see them as heretic, inferior and not worth anything other than slaves.)
If the native peoples around the world were heathens because they did not know Christianity – were they then more human after they accepted it?
Are the Irish Catholics (In Ireland) seen as barbarians by the current ruling class because they don’t swim the Bosphorus?
I think I remember hearing on the mini-doc after the DVD/movie ‘Underworld’ that when one left the church that he would become a vampire.
Were Jews inferior because they failed to accept Chris and become Christian (even though it is a Jew that Christians worshiped)?
Were those who spread Christianity by force any different than the Jihadists of today?
on Tue Oct 13th 2015 at 08:48:01 Mike Gonzalez
You raise an interesting question. While I will say that the invading Christians did (on occasion) give a choice unlike jihadists, their methods do draw parallels. Throughout history Christians, the Catholic Church in particular, have been the cause of pain, suffering and murder. Even worse is when they deny the atrocities they committed.
I’m sure, or at least I choose to believe, that not all of those who were sent to the Americas to spread “the word of God” saw the indigenous people as inhuman or inferior beings. I believe common sense would have prevailed in more than one occasion, and the person would see that those were living, breathing human beings. Not inferior, not even different, but the same species. And those people that saw the Taino and other indigenous people as humans like them, where they shunned? Treated like madmen? Murdered even? Sent to suffer the same fate as the Tainos?
on Wed Nov 4th 2015 at 14:14:37 David Aponte Resto
As a Taino am here to tell you and the world that we are still here on the island of Borincan my art is a way of move on from the past see some of my work on face book !!!
on Sat Jan 16th 2016 at 01:36:13 sss2
I know this is a very old post, but I was in shocked to discover that 90% of what is stated here it’s just propaganda. Even the pictures used are well known to be totally false, and the part of soldiers smashing babies against walls is completely ridiculous. And yet, people buy this outrageous thing. Horrible things were done, but the ones exposed here are just shameless lies condemned by every serious historian. What a bunch of lies and propaganda we have here.
@ sss2
Thank you for your opinion.
OPINION: a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
*PLEASE FEEL FREE TU RETURN WITH FACTS.
@ ss2
I gave my source. You give yours.
on Fri Apr 15th 2016 at 16:48:14 LaDonna
Columbus Day is celebrated in the Tiano related islands as a day of sorrow and pain that our ancestors endured when our islands and our peoplewere ravaged,raped,slaughtered & enslaved. The animals were treated better than our people.. Let us not forget about our roots.. Always & forever fighting to “Break the Chains that Bind”.
on Wed May 25th 2016 at 23:58:56 isisandislaminlatinamerica
Bismillah:
Hahaha. Tainos and Arawaks choose Islam. ISIS will take the Caribbean and Latin America to save the Indigenous peoples who converted to Islam from the Western Kuffar Colonialists. Oh Tainos, Allah heard your prayers and your martyrdoms of your Muslim Taino ancestors because the Spanish and Europeans in Europe feel the Muslim Jihaddist attacks like Paris and Brussels. Allah avenges the Taino martyrs by sending Muslims Suicide bombers in Madrid, Paris, London and Brussels. In Madrid in Spain will experienced more Bombing and killing attacks against the Spanish Kuffars by the Islamized Tainos, Mayans, Mapuches and etc of Latin America for every Taino, Maya, Mapiche and etc that the Spanish Kuffars Killed in the Past. Allahu Akbar!!!
on Thu May 26th 2016 at 00:00:46 isisandislaminlatinamerica
Reblogged this on ISIS and Islam in Indegenous Native Tribes of Latin America.
on Thu May 26th 2016 at 11:01:39 v8driver
don’t you guys want to ‘take’ Aleppo first?
on Wed Jun 22nd 2016 at 00:38:46 Liz
Reblogged this on historyfantasyfiction.
on Wed Jun 22nd 2016 at 02:38:58 Afrofem
@isisandislaminlatinamerica
Someone mixed some magic mushrooms into whatever you are smoking.
I wonder if you ever returned to reality?
on Mon Jul 18th 2016 at 16:01:50 Honest Abe
To know the white devil is to know his deeds and this is just the beginning of the nightmare to come to these islands thru what will be known as the transatlantic slave trade that would last 400 years.
on Fri Jul 22nd 2016 at 02:41:32 Nicole
And why does Puerto Rico have a large statue in Mayagüez, PR saluting this evil – Christopher Columbus that is?
on Thu Oct 13th 2016 at 00:39:02 Benigno Reyes
My grandmother’s from both sides mother and father were Taino women’s and from my grandfather’s side they were Spaniards I am both Taino and Spaniard but I feel more Taino cause I be having alot of visions from my Taino ancestors,can you please send me more information on my ancestors the taínos thank you so much.
on Sat Oct 15th 2016 at 16:06:40 Eddie Lopez
I now know the feeling that I used to get as a boy in the Bronx a Puerto Rican born in New York City why Columbus Day what’s a feeling of unease knowing a Feeling of this Christopher Columbus of what he did to my people now that I read about it it makes sense to me the feeling that I got and we honor the butcher of people of Nations of people they just wanted to live in their own land thank you for pointing that out to me Puerto Rican born in New York City
on Sun Oct 16th 2016 at 23:52:44 Heru Bryan
I came to Jamaica as a small child and stayed with the lost Tribes in the mountains of St Andrew and St Catherine, on the western side of the Blue mountains. I was a very lush valley about 25 miles across. Those tribes kept themselves private and apart from the rest of the Jamaican peoplle since they were the kings and ruling people taken out of Africa by the British. I was brought to them by my grandfather. And he left me there to learn there ways, it was consummated warrior-ship and those were the true miracle people anywhere on the earth until today, only the Hindus and Chinese compare with them, they reached a level not seen on earth since ancient times. They told me the tragedy of the Arawak or Tainos as they are called, by the time African came there were just a hand full of the Arawak left and those were in the hills hiding. And they intermixed with the Africans, so by the time I got there there were no more full blooded Tainos left. I think the estimate of the number of Arawaks is about 4 and a half millions, but after the Spaniard got finished with them, there were about 80,000 left and those they worked to death in mind looking for gold. So by the time Africans got there they were a sprinkling of them left in the remote regions and those were assimilated into the Maroons which was the war tribes. These war tribes were lead by the Dahomey royal league with were Fon people from Benin, all togetther there were 12 tribes, right now I will try to recall some of the important tribes. 1)Fon, 2)Yuroba,3)Ewe, Ga4) 5)Congolese, 6)Coramantee this tribe is no more in Africa, the Coramantees all have red hair everyone of them so these people was kept in remote area of the island so no other people will married them and so they won’t lose their red hair, 7)Ashante, 8)Fante, 9)Kamis this was the sacred clan, because these men and women was from Kamis, which is Egypt today. Up until Alexander times it was Kamis, but the Greeks changed it to Egypt, because up until that time it was India that was Egypt an India was a sacred place to Kamis people, so they changed the array to change the magic of Kamis people. Witchcraft you know, it was here in the beginning and until now people are practicing that to keep their tribes in power, it also degenerate them but they don’t care. Anyway, I left out three tribes but that is all I can remember right now. The one thing that stays with me from my sojourn with those tribes in those mountains I this, they kept every relic of the enslavement to show their young people, in those mountains and they show me the sugar mills where the people were kept to make sugar. And they were chained up by their neck or legs on the work site where they worked until they were dead near this huge vat where the sugar is processed. Don’t you think the karma is heaped up like mount Everest, that is the only time they would get of that chain and their replacement would take their place. I felt the European made some kind of pace among themselves when they decide to enslave other peoples around the world, I feel sure about that because racism would not exist today without that. It is possible there are might be full blood Taino in Jamaica but if they are there, they might stay hidden because of the pass injustices done to them. Let just say they were disseminated and that is stating it lightly. I came to Jamaica in the late 1950s and stay in those mountains learning the way of the warrior and it was very dramatic to say the least. Yes, I learn a lot from them and saw the way of humankind, i did not have to come but my father wanted me to learn those ways, my grandfather went back to where he came from. But he did visited me once in 1984, you can imagined I came on to the US because my father wanted me to also, so here I am. That kind of ring a bell.
on Sun Oct 30th 2016 at 01:08:29 Roger B
This is instruction to all you so call Hispanics who deny African blood and claim spanish heritage. A country that deny you to this day and as you can see from history cared less about you then. So you want to be spanish, just because you speak a language doesn’t mean you are of them or from them. I was born in the Anglophone carribean and I would never claim England. Damned the queen. Let history talk and ignorance walk. Bless Africa it’s people and it’s God’s.
on Mon Nov 7th 2016 at 21:30:52 Heriberto Cruz
Americans give a holiday to this rapist,thief and murderer..war against all Puerto Ricans by Nelson A.Denis great book.
on Tue Jan 17th 2017 at 04:49:47 Yusef bene Yaquba
THE HIDDEN TRUTH OF THE TAÍNO, BLESSED OF AHAYAH
TAÍNOS, WHO WERE THEY? WHERE CAN WE FIND THE TRUE ORIGIN OF THE NAME TAÍNO?
IT IS AN ANCIENT HEBREW NAME
8465. Tachan ►
Tachan: an Ephraimite
Original Word: תַּ֫חַן
Part of Speech: Proper Name Masculine
Transliteration: Tachan
Phonetic Spelling: (takh’-an)
Short Definition: Tahan
Origin: Hebrew
Meaning: Merciful
TA’HAN:
beseeching; merciful
TAHAN; TAHANITES
ta’-han, ta’-han-its (tachan, tachani): The name of two Ephraimites who lived toward the end of the exodus of the Israelites (circa 1415 B.C.).
(1) The head of one of the families of the tribe of Ephraim (Numbers 26:35).
(2) The son of Telah and father of Ladan, also of the tribe of Ephraim (1 Chronicles 7:25).
More popular potential spellings:
Tehani
Diahann
Dahiana
Tihanna
Tahina
Diahanna
Dahani
Tihani
Dahana
26:35 These are the sons of Ephraim after their families: of Shuthelah, the family of the Shuthalhites: of Becher, the family of the Bachrites: of Tahan, the family of the Tahanites.
Numbers 26 : 35
I was born and raised in Puerto Rico and many here are called “jíbaro”, it was the name used by the Spaniards when they persecuted our Taíno ancestors and they were called “jíbaros” by the Spaniards because our ancestors hid in the mountains and forests from the Spaniard invaders and rapists. The very word “jíbaro” links with “Hebreo/Hebrew”, since the Edomite (European) colonial powers knew who they were persecuting and raping and killing. Take out the J and put an H which has the same sound as the J in Spanish and you get “HÍBARO (hee-baa-rew) – HEBREW – ÍBERO – HEBER – HEBREO”, it is also very similar to the name Abreu, and Abreu sounds like the word Hebrew in Spanish: Hebreo. The word “jíbaro” remains alive among Puerto Ricans and it is used more for the people living in rural areas and sometimes used to call someone an ignorant of certain knowledge or topic, ask any of them but surely they don’t even know what is the origin of this word, they will think of it as a simple byword or nickname for peasants.
(Oseas 4:6). Hebrew Israelites by bloodline but “jíbaros” for not knowing it.
49:22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:49:23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:49:24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel)49:25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:49:26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.
Genesis 49 : 22 – 26
“fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall..”, meaning we have families of three, four generations or 5, 6 living in the same house.. “Fruitful, Puerto Ricans love to multiply themselves indeed.
“The archers (Spaniards) have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him..” the genocide of our Taíno ancestors.
” him that was separate from his brethren..”, we were separated from our brethren the other tribes of Israel scattered and ended up in this little colony/island no one hears much about, although we are close to our labeled Cuban, Dominican, Haitian brothers along with the surrounding islands, whom are also the children of Israel.
7:8 Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned.7:9 Strangers have devoured his strength, and he knoweth it not: yea, gray hairs are here and there upon him, yet he knoweth not.
Hosea 7 : 8 – 9
“he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned..”, meaning we Boricuas and many of the so called Native tribes (our northern Israelite kingdom family like the Mexicans) come in every color due to the whitening our people, the raping of our women when the archers/strangers (Spaniards/Americans – Edomites) “have devoured his strength, and he knoweth it not..”, we have been colonized and conquered yet we don’t know what is happening and the majority of the Boricuas think everything is “alright” giving praise to the beast (USA) who systematically enslaved the Puerto Rican population with its “commonwealth”, and all we want to do is “parrandear” (partying).
They (USA – Edomites – so called White people) have devoured us (Vieques bombed, streets filled with drugs, high rates of homicides, the youth is lost, immorality everywhere, catholic temples everywhere, contaminated skies through Chemtrails 24/7, high rate of analfabetism, a people thrown under the rug, without a voice) and we thought they were the good guys due to the ignorance of our own history and legacy, the ignorance of ourselves that came with slavery and colonization and indoctrination with false history in school and “church” looking like a circus with idolatry. Remember all of these atrocities and crimes against mankind in a little island called Borikén by the Taíno. (Barakayah-Boricua – blessed of AHAYAH)!
“Abba” in Hebrew is Father. “Baba” in Taíno is Father.
En Taíno:
Daea-ababa – I am a father/yo soy padre.
14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
Mark 14 : 36
“Banah” in Hebrew means “#to #build, or #to #construct, or a #house”.. how come our Taíno ancestors spoke the same word Baná referring to a big place or something great? A big place or something great has to be #made, #built, #constructed, it has to be #worked on.
Taíno word:
Baná = n : Greatness or Grand Place.
In life, any greatness or thing in order to come forth it must be #built, in order for men and women to bring forth lineage a child must be #created, to ease hunger food must be #prepared, and so does any “great place or any type of physical structure” (house, temple), it must be #built and #constructed.
The root-verb בנה (bana) means #to #build. It’s used to describe the #construction #of #all #kinds #of #buildings; a #city (Genesis 4:17), a #tower (Genesis 10:11), an #altar (Genesis 22:9), a #house (Genesis 33:27), the #temple (2 Samuel 7:5), a #fortress (2 Chronicles 17:12), a #wall (1 Kings 3:1). But it’s also, curiously, used to describe AHAYAH’S #making of woman from the rib of man (Genesis 2:22).
This curious usage is highly significant in understanding the Bible’s thoughts on mankind’s social #structure: the group is feminine and the individual is masculine; and thus woman comes from man. Hence Sarah figured that she would be #built up by Abraham’s child through #Hagar (Genesis 16:2), arch-mothers Leah and Rachel #built the house of Israel (Ruth 4:11), and a wise woman #builds her house where a foolish one tears it down (Proverbs 14:1).
It should be no surprise that the Hebrew words אבן (‘eben), meaning stone, and בן (ben), meaning son, are thought by some to come from our verb בנה (bana). Also note that the formally unrelated noun בית (bayit) means temple, and the verb בין (bin) means to understand.
This verb’s derivatives are:
The feminine noun בניה (binya), meaning #structure or #building (Ezekiel 41;13 only).
The masculine noun בנין (binyan), meaning #structure. This word occurs about half a dozen times, all in the book of Ezekiel (Ezekiel 40:5, 42:1).
The masculine noun מבנה (mibneh), meaning structure (Ezekiel 40:2 only).
The feminine noun תבנית (tabnit), meaning #construction (Joshua 22:28, Psalm 144:12) pattern (Exodus 25:9, 2 Kings 16:10) or image (Deuteronomy 4:16, Isaiah 44:13, Psalm 106:20).
1129. banah ►
banah: #to #build
Original Word: בָּנָה
Transliteration: banah
Phonetic Spelling: (baw-naw’)
Short Definition: #built
Word Origin:
a prim. root
#to #build
besieged* (1), #build (112), #build* (1), #builders (10), #building (16), #builds (8), #built (177), #construct (1), #constructed (1), #fashioned (1), fortified (3), #fortifying (2), #have #children (1), #made (1), obtain children (1), #rebuild (13), #rebuilding (3), #rebuilt (17), #rebuilt* (2), restored (1), #set (1), #surely #built (1).
Agüeybaná
Ahrasibo
Yuqayeqe
Yabaqoa
Ceibah
Yauqo…
Baba (Abba)
.. to name a few words, certainly are not from the Latin tongue. What language could the Taíno have spoken? How come we can’t know the legacy of our forefathers?
The “education” system, as to be expected, is a fraud and has failed to bring the truth to our people concerning our past. So now everyone is speaking Spanish and English but how come we aren’t speaking the language of our Taíno forefathers?
16:13 Therefore will I cast you out of this land #into #a #land #that #ye #know #not, #neither #ye #nor #your #fathers; and there shall ye serve other gods day and night; where I will not shew you favour.
Yeremiah 16 : 13
17:4 And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; #and #I #will #cause #thee #to #serve #thine #enemies in the land which thou knowest not: for #ye #have #kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever.
Yeremiah 17 : 4
#Borikén was also #another #boat #stop where #Edomites (white people) #came #with #ships #filled with #Negro #slaves. Lest we forget.
Borik’en – Great #Land #of #the #Valiant and #Noble Lord
Boricu’a – The #Valiant #People #of #the #Sacred #House
House can also mean “descendants, building, family, dwelling place, seed (lineage), and temple”..
Who is the sacred house/family/lineage? Yes, you know this already: the house of Yacob/Israel, the chosen people, the true Hebrew Israelites, AHAYAH’S PEOPLE.
1288. barak ►
barak: to kneel, bless
Original Word: בָּרַך
Transliteration: barak
Phonetic Spelling: (baw-rak’)
Short Definition: blessed
Boricua/Boriqueño = Barak-ah-hayah – Blessed of AHAYAH)!
33:13 And #of #Joseph #he #said, #Blessed #of #the #Almighty #be #his #land, for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath,33:14 And for #the #precious #fruits brought forth by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon,33:15 And for #the #chief #things #of #the #ancient #mountains, and for #the #precious #things #of #the #lasting #hills,33:16 And for #the #precious #things #of #the #earth #and #fulness #thereof, and #for #the #good #will #of #him #that #dwelt #in #the #bush: #let #the #blessing #come #upon #the #head #of #Joseph, and upon the top of the head of him that was #separated #from #his #brethren.33:17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall #push #the #people #together to the ends of the earth: and #they #are #the #ten #thousands #of #Ephraim, and #they #are #the #thousands #of #Manasseh.
Deuteronomy 33 : 14 – 17
#precious #fruits, #ancient #mountains, #lasting #hills – BORIK’EN – #GREAT #LAND #OF #THE #VALIANT #AND #NOBLE #Lord
“#And #of #Yusef #he #said, #BLESSED #OF #AHAYAH #BE #HIS #LAND..”
#Barak-#ah-#hayah – #Blessed of #AHAYAH
#The #Valiant #People #of #the #Sacred #House
#the #house #of #Tahan, #of #the #tribe #of #Ephraim, #son #of #Yusef, #son #of #Yacob, #son #of #Isaac, #son #of #Abraham
Our scattered Hebrew brethren and the mighty children of Yudah (so called Negroes) call us children of Yusef, house of Ephraim. A cake not turned whom strangers (Spaniards/Americans – Edomites) have devoured.. yet our hand was #baná strong, and our strength comes from the Almighty, AHAYAH the God of Abraham, Isaac and Yacob.
on Sat May 13th 2017 at 19:57:04 steven Chido
A whole lot of European hate well, well?if you dont like us dont live with us .
on Sat May 13th 2017 at 21:51:21 sharinalr
What you should have said is “IF you don’t like us we will move.” You hate these same groups that you are happy to come spend money in their countries or steal their lands and cultures.
on Mon Jun 5th 2017 at 19:48:33 New World, New Food and Concepts of Western Supremacy « borderslynn
[…] than 500 from several millions. Some historians speak of the appalling genocide of the Taíno (see https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/09/20/the-taino-genocide/) thanks to Columbus. This is grim reading. Whilst we can certainly admire the dogged determination […]
on Tue Aug 29th 2017 at 07:13:10 dorisjean23
Very enlightening. I am learning much from this post and the commenters. Thank you so much everyone.
on Tue Sep 12th 2017 at 20:51:45 Sincere
what most people dont know is until 2006 taino Arawak was declared extinct.. the reason for this is they renamed our lands and names … renaming us Puerto ricans Dominicans Cubans etc to strip us of our indigenous rights and lands… all 24 tribes of taino are on one flag .. below is the only 3 tribes allowed for us to register to
The motto of the new flag is “One People, One Nation, One Destiny” because the flag also represents the three confederated Taino tribal bands in Puerto Rico (The Jatibonicu Taino Tribe of Borikén), Florida (The Tekesta Taino Tribal Band of Bimini Florida), and New Jersey (Jatibonicu Taino Tribal Band of New Jersey).May 29, 2014
on Tue Sep 26th 2017 at 01:44:18 B-rad
I am doing research on this subject, and I would like to know where are your sources?
@ B-rad
Mainly “A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies” (1542) by Bartolome de Las Casas.
on Sat Oct 28th 2017 at 14:14:36 Charly
My wife, from the south of the Dominican Republic (the Jaragua area) is by genetic testing is 22% native American – meaning that her mother is almost certainly 44% Taina.
on Sat Oct 28th 2017 at 16:13:54 TeddyBearDaddy
@Charly
Then you clearly understand that colonization brought social advantages to European peoples more than any one else in the world and have greatly benefited without a second thought to others.
on Fri Nov 3rd 2017 at 22:54:41 Long Man
this some messed up sh*zzle imperialism is evil
on Thu May 31st 2018 at 15:37:23 Actually the worst
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/education-on-the-subject-of-the-genocide
on Tue Jun 5th 2018 at 07:55:07 Alma
I was researching and glad I found your blog. There’s no other way to describe these atrocities other than pure evil.
on Tue Jun 5th 2018 at 08:27:02 The Taino genocide | The Novel: UnHoly Pursuit: Devil on my Trail
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on Sat Jul 7th 2018 at 15:45:47 ivonne aviles
So, what happenned in what is now the USA? The very same thing. The english, the spanish, the belgians, the dutch, the portuguese and on and on and on. Not to mention the germans and the balkans in the 20 century. If you have never read anything like this you dont read much. The human race before and now.
on Sun Aug 5th 2018 at 23:28:10 John E avery
Man I am shocked , they were just as brutal as the white man .
on Mon Aug 6th 2018 at 02:20:52 Solitaire
@ John E. Avery
These were Spainards from Spain in Europe — they were white. Hispanic denotes a culture, not a race.
Christopher Columbus was an Italian — he was white.
on Sun Aug 12th 2018 at 01:17:47 Samoy
I want to know more abt the Taino’s before the Spaniards discovered them
on Fri Sep 28th 2018 at 15:03:47 Nancy ozoa
I never knew much about my puertorican roots .but to learn about the cruelty our people suffred and endured has changed the way ifeel about Columbus day i cannot celebrate nor will i acknowledge if any spanish blood that may flow through my viens im appauled and disgusted at what ive learned.
on Mon Oct 8th 2018 at 01:08:43 Liberal IQ Realist
Importantly, Taino DNA is showing up in many Cuban Americans. This is interesting because it was thought that the Taino were exterminated by the Spaniards, and it turns out that there was significant interbreeding.
on Sat Nov 10th 2018 at 12:21:58 carmen
wow, i’ve read your blog, all of it. its really interesting. I am latina and some of the things said here has me wanting to look up more info. about my taino background. glad i found this and hope more people add on a little more history as time goes by. thank you
on Mon Nov 19th 2018 at 07:47:37 researchal
Why don’t you mention how the Taino killed, massacred, and ate the Spanish, even taking human body parts for trophies? What I said is actually cited. Where is your citation? Why would they grill them or cut them up into pieces, then tell them of the Christian faith? And smallpox would be arrived when the Spanish arrived. You obviously don’t understand anything about medicine or disease. 1518 would’ve been when the Spanish first started noticing it. Smallpox killed people so fast it made the Spanish think that the population was just that much smaller. Smallpox would spread from Europeans to Indians, then from Indians to other Indians further inland within days.
on Mon Nov 19th 2018 at 17:44:30 Solitaire
@ researchal
“Where is your citation?”
Right at the end of his post:
“Why don’t you mention how the Taino killed, massacred, and ate the Spanish, even taking human body parts for trophies?”
It sounds like you’re confusing accounts of the Caribs with the Taino (Arawaks).
And there’s reason to cast doubt on those accounts:
Columbus and others of his time stoked the mythology of the cannibalistic, ruthless Carib with the Spanish monarchy to obtain their approval to launch a slave trade that would fund the development of the Caribbean: In exchange for supplies and livestock to help the colonists gain their footing, Columbus would send ships of slaves drawn from the vengeful Caribs. He even sent them a “sample”—though the people he shipped back to Spain were taken from the “friendly” Arawaks because those are the people he could readily access. It seems the Spanish initially deferred and postponed a decision, but Columbus kept up his campaign and in 1503 Queen Isabella issued a proclaimation that agreed to the capture of the hardened idolatrous cannibals. She reasoned that removing them from the Caribbean was the first step in converting them, and subsequently civilizing them.
This created an impetus to find as many Caribs as possible. And was likely exacerbated by tensions that likely existed between and among the different Indigenous communities, all of which likely practiced some degree of ritualized cannibalism by the way. That is, they may have taken tokens to mark their victories, but no evidence has been uncovered of widespread full-blown cannibalism. Taken together it is easy to see how the alleged numbers of the Caribs could have increased monumentally.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/anthropology-in-practice/who-are-the-indigenous-people-that-columbus-met/
on Tue Nov 27th 2018 at 20:49:53 Maria A. Cruz-Lugo
It’s shameful that people give their opinions without knowing real history. All about the Spanish genocide is part of the “Black Legend” spread by England , France, USA, Dutch..that were enemies of Spain for centuries. They’re really good history books out there. We could start from the US independence war from England, Hispanoamerican War, Invasion of USA in Puerto Rico, Treaty of Paris of 1898… Why if there was Spanish genocide there still native Indians in Central and South America and North American Indians are almost extinct?
on Wed Nov 28th 2018 at 01:30:50 Solitaire
@ Maria A. Cruz-Lugo
Perhaps you didn’t notice that the main source used in writing this article was “A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies” (1542) by Bartolome de Las Casas.
Bartolome de Las Casas was a Spainard and was present in the Caribbean when these atrocities were taking place.
“Why if there was Spanish genocide there still native Indians in Central and South America and North American Indians are almost extinct?”
Where are the Taino today? This article is specifically about them. You can’t say that the Taino genocide didn’t happen just because there are Maya alive today. These are two distinctly different peoples from two different regions.
By numbers, the U.S. has a larger Native population than most countries in Latin America. It is number 5 on the list given at the beginning of the Wikipedia article linked here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas
on Wed Nov 28th 2018 at 02:31:02 researchal
Lol it also says that Bartholomew has been heavily criticized as not being a repudiated or reliable source lolol
There are more than 300,000 enrolled members of the Navajo tribe alone in the United States. Compare that number to the total Indigenous population of the Latin American countries in the lower half of the list.
There was genocide here, no doubt, and some tribes were affected far worse than others. But this idea that “the North American Indian is almost extinct” is a myth that has been floating around for over 100 years. Their numbers are actually starting to rebound.
It has also been suggested that the atrocities that Las Casas described were exaggerated or even invented, but that is not generally considered likely as Las Casas was far from the only person to be deeply worried about abuse and mistreatment of the Indians. The Dominican friars Antonio de Montesinos and Pedro de Córdoba had reported extensive violence already in the first decade of the conquest of the Indies, and throughout the conquest of the Americas, there were reports of abuse of the natives by friars and priests and ordinary citizens, and many massacres of indigenous people were reported in full by those who perpetrated them. Even some of Las Casas’s enemies, such as Toribio de Benavente Motolinia, reported many gruesome atrocities committed against the Indians by the colonizers. All in all, modern historians tend to disregard the numerical figures given by Las Casas, but they maintain that his general picture of a violent and abusive conquest represented reality.[91]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartolom%C3%A9_de_las_Casas
Lol. And look what the Native Americans did. Ripped people’s hearts out alive in the capital Aztec city and at Europeans… We white Americans will not be treated like Nazis. Quit making up genocides. You’re racist and trying to hurt people based on race. Disgusting.
“And look what the Native Americans did. Ripped people’s hearts out alive in the capital Aztec city and at Europeans…”
The Aztecs did that as part of their religion — and then the Europeans came along and burned the Aztecs at the stake as part of their own religion.
During the Inquisition, the European Christian church, for hundreds of years, tortured and murdered people accused of heresy. The Spanish brought this practice with them to the Americas and used it on the Native peoples.
I don’t approve of either type of human sacrifice. But one of these two religions is based on the Golden Rule and “turning the other cheek” and “forgive your enemies.”
“We white Americans will not be treated like Nazis.”
How is anyone treating you like a Nazi? I don’t see any new Nuremberg Trials ramping up.
“Quit making up genocides.”
No one is making up anything. If you believe it’s not true, the onus is on you to prove that using reputable scholarship and citations.
“You’re racist and trying to hurt people based on race. Disgusting.”
Who is being hurt? How are they being hurt?
Jess, you’re a brainwashed racist. Things started here do not have a Reliable source. It is total hogwash. And Native Americans ripped the hearts out of Europeans well they still lived. They sometimes ate them too. Man, they don’t sound like savages at all
Who’s Jess?
“And Native Americans ripped the hearts out of Europeans well they still lived. They sometimes ate them too.”
I never said they didn’t. Are you going to deny that Europeans burned Native Americans alive? Are you going to deny that Europeans bashed out Native babies’ brains? Are you going to deny that white American soldiers at the Sand Creek Massacre took body parts from Native corpses to display as trophies, including male and female genitalia and dead fetuses ripped from the womb? Does this sound civilized?
Yes I deny those things. I could be wrong. It certainly didn’t happen on large scales if it happened at all.
Where are the reliable sources that say those things didn’t happen? Or is this just your uniformed opinion?
on Wed Nov 28th 2018 at 05:35:59 justusingthisaccountforacomment
Reliable sources of things that DON’T happen don’t exist. What are your sources of your claims, or it that a uniformed opinion.
That’s not how it works logically. Where are the sources saying those things happened? Reliable sources.
If you’re referring to Sand Creek, there was an official investigation by the U.S. Congress Joint Committee on the Conduct of the War:
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=moa;idno=ABY3709.0003.001;rgn=full%20text;view=toc;cc=moa
Just on California alone:
https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300181364/american-genocide
https://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/nebraska/9780803224803/
https://global.oup.com/academic/product/american-holocaust-9780195085570?cc=us&lang=en&
https://www.jstor.org/stable/25096733?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
https://www.jstor.org/stable/366259?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1007165?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Inquisition_in_New_Spain_1536_1820.html?id=UqNOxF8nqVMC
http://msupress.org/books/book/?id=50-1D0-3B49#.W_5NHHTnbqA
on Mon Jan 6th 2020 at 15:19:54 Jorge Cabrera
That’ s why when I travel to and through the middle of the Island of Puerto Rico I wonder why would anyone live in places like this; deep in the mountains surrounded by vegetation?. Guess if you were running away from the Devil. Is what you would do.?. That’ s why All my life I struggle with the Spaniards as good people and Religion as a good thing and I can’t seem to get is why all religions are in constant battle with each other?. Now I know I am a good person, but there are SO MANY demented people in this world. So as the one chief from Hispanola Hatuey I too would rather good hell than go to heaven.
on Fri Feb 7th 2020 at 21:10:27 Edwin
Fuck Christopher Columbus I hope he’s still burning in hell.
on Sat Apr 4th 2020 at 20:54:26 Jorge Cabrera
Thank you for the brief stories.Again this really hits me hard. I still have a hard time understanding, how men could do this to another man.#1 could it be gelousy, #2 Fear, #3 The unceirtainty in them selves??
” Their actions would turn me. “
As many are arguying about the senses of the15 hundreds in the Islands of the caribbeans in refrenses to the Spaniards Masecreas some 85% were butchered , well if the Devil was killing yours, those safed.
headed for the hills, as you would.
on Mon May 11th 2020 at 14:18:44 Alexander
Christopher Columbus was a Jew, and his men were all mercenaries and highwaymen. Queen Isabella and Ferdinand were deceived by Columbus because they were overly curious about obscure and secret matters of the world and geography more than they were interested in discerning who Columbus really was.
on Mon Jun 1st 2020 at 20:26:36 Multiracial, But White Passing – Visibly Affirming
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on Wed Jun 10th 2020 at 11:34:04 Kat
History equates to His….story. So unless anyone was there we will never know what the actual figures were number wise. Even some written proof is fabricated. Considering his…..story think of how many stories in history were altered by a man wanting to simply take part, give his view point, and also write something he heard about. Some things were fabricated and other things left out. Think about how his…..tory was altered and rewritten multiple times. Many men attempting to keep teack of events. Its like the game of telephone. Many times, by the time it gets to the last person the story has changed several times. But the base event and moment in time are usually the same.
on Tue Sep 1st 2020 at 03:54:46 Michael Jácome
People are very wicked. The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked who could know it. Jesus would have never told men to be so wicked. The Apostles were true followers of Christ and would have never done such a thing. Sad to say that some people think even till this day that Catholics are Christians. Catholics follow the Roman Catholic church as Christopher Columbus and the Spaniards followed funded by the Roman catholic church the Jesuit order.
True bible believing Christians follow Christ. For an e.g there were some who didn’t agree with the Catholic church and were tortured for it. The bible teaches that one must believe in Jesus Christ with ones whole heart before he, or she can be biblically baptised. This we find in Act 8:12 – But when they (believed)Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Act 8:13 – Then Simon himself (believed) also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Act 8:26 – And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
Acts 8:27 – And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of (Ethiopia), an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
Acts 8:28 – Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
Acts 8:29 – Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
Acts 8:30 – And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
Acts 8:31 – And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
Acts 8:32 – The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
Acts 8:33 – In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
Acts 8:34 – And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
Acts 8:35 – Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
Acts 8:36 – And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Acts 8:37 – And Philip said, If thou (believest) with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I (believe) that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Acts 8:38 – And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. Notice that nothing was ever forced upon the eunuch. That true belief in Jesus Christ is the prerequisite to baptism. The Anabaptist did not believe in forcing somone to believe as for matter of fact they were tortured by the Catholic Church in England, because they believed that one that was biblically baptized must first truly believe on The Lord Jesus Christ as his or her sacrifice for their sins. Infants cannot obtain the prerequisite of belief therefore baptism is not applicable to child that has not enough understanding to believe the gospel i.e. the good news. Also God is not a monster that would send a baby to hell cause he was not baptized by the so called holy Catholic church. I pray to The Lord Jesus that He would open the eyes of those who are Catholics and anyone else who doesn’t truly believe on The Lord Jesus Christ,that they would be saved, and know The Love of Christ which constraineth me. Jesus Loves all nationalities and tongues and He comes to the door of every man, woman, and child’s heart, knocking hope that they would (wilfully) open that door so that He would come in an sup with them and they with Him. I captioned wilfully for the reason you may already know, that is that Christ Jesus doesn’t kick down your door, and force you, just as a man of love would never force a woman to love him. No one could be forced to truly love. That’s why The Lord knocks, and leaves it up to the individual to freely open the door of his, or her heart.
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The map of white people
Fri Apr 11th 2014 by abagond
The map of white people was not on the Internet, so I made one. Conversely, it is a map of people of colour.
The map (click on it to enlarge) uses four colours:
dark blue: 75% to 100% white
medium blue: 50% to 75% white
light blue: 25% to 50% white
grey: 0% to 25% white
majority POC: grey and light blue
majority white: medium and dark blue
multiracial: light and medium blue
But who is white? For this map two kinds of people are:
Those who self-identify as white, like in a census.
Those who belong to an ethnic group that is historically Christian or Jewish, with roots in West Eurasia.
That means white Hispanics, Armenians and Lebanese Christians are in, most Africans and Muslims, even Albanians, are out.
In the case of self-identification, note that someone who is considered white in one country might not be considered white in another.
I tried different definitions. This one is clean, easy to use and a good, general approximation.
Notes on each region:
North America: While the rest of the map is based on data from 2006 to 2011, Mexico is based on the last census that asked about race: in 1921! For the US, Hispanics who identify as white are counted as white. Doing otherwise led to paradoxes outside the US. Notice that Canada is not as lily-white as many imagine.
South America: Argentina, the pope’s home country, is extremely white. Its most “diverse” province, Chubut, is close to 90% white.
Most whites in South America, like in North America, live outside the tropics, which run from Havana to Rio. Worldwide most whites live in the temperate zone, 23.5 to 66.5 degrees from the equator:
Europe, North Africa and West Asia: Albania and Kosovo are mostly Muslim so they do not count as white, even though they are in Europe. I did not use “Europe” or “European” in my definition of white because then I would have to define Europe too! Not a battle I wanted or needed to fight.
Siberia: The people in the dark blue region are mainly ethnic Russians. Russia and Kazakhstan keep very good records on ethnicity.
The rest of Africa: The surprise here is South Africa. I thought at least the Cape would be light blue. Whites are less than 25% in every single province. The way they complained you would think they were like a third of the country. It is galling to see this.
The rest of Asia: The dark blue at the top is the tail end of Russia.
Oceania: The North Island of New Zealand is more multiracial than Australia, mostly because of the Maori.
Because Australia, Siberia, Canada and Argentina are large but thinly settled, the map makes it seem like there are more white people than there are.
To correct that, let’s scale each region according to its total population and put the map back together:
Notice that whites are not the main part of the world, but only a sixth of it.
Sources: Mainly the English and Russian Wikipedias (2014), the census of Argentina (2010) and New Zealand (2006) and the graphic that inspired this post (2011).
The map of Black people
Black Canada: a brief history
Peters projection
demographically weighted history
Geographical terms:
on Sun Apr 13th 2014 at 03:24:22 Atillah_kasimeyoglu
This is awesome. I really appreciated the time it took to make this.
I see one glaring problem:
You wrote that you couldn’t count Albanians as white because they were Muslim. This doesn’t make any sense.
There are plenty of white Muslims!
Albanians are of Illyrian background, pre-Indo-European. Bosnians, Chechens, and even some Turks are pretty white looking people. Just curious why you’d erroneously link religion to race.
Otherwise, enjoyable piece.
on Sun Apr 13th 2014 at 03:53:59 qweerdo
Thank you so much for taking the time to do this. So dang informative, especially the part where you put everything to scale at the end.
Notice that Canada is not as lily-white as many imagine.
Who on earth imagines that? I suppose the same people who thought “American” meant “white”?
Also, I noticed that quite a few people in Argentina were likely mestizo, but identified as “white”. In any case, Buenos Aires looked a lot more white and European to me than any large city I have ever been to in North America.
on Sun Apr 13th 2014 at 05:17:42 Brothawolf
As a side note, I suspect the reason why most people thought Canada was “lily-white” is due to media images. Most of time. white Canadians are in front of the camera, not much of anyone else.
Costa Rica is an interesting exception – the only country in the tropical zone that is majority white. But of course, so is Northern Australia.
on Sun Apr 13th 2014 at 09:04:08 Teodor Constantin B
Very weird definition of white. How can you link race to religion? Have you seen albanians? They are white as shit, just like bosniak and lots of Chechen, blond hair with often blue eyes.
Here’s a picture of’em. they are very white. they are whiter than Greeks and Romanians who have a majority of dark hair, darker skin than these guys and I’ve seen algerians who could be taken for white or european. If I go to France or England, there is a big possibility of being called gypsy thieves (as it happened), but these people, especially Bosnian and Albanians are taken for white. Also I have met really dark skin Lebanese christian. This white thing I think it refers to Westerners, that is Anglo Saxon, Scandinavian, Finnish, french, Spanish (Catalan) because easterners and westerners look really different at least for me. and of course the ashkenazi in Israel, the very light skin, blue eyes type are not really jewish by blood.
A question.
Would there even be a map of “white” people, or diverse racial classifications if Africans were not forcibly removed from their native lands, tied up in chains and made to produce free labor elsewhere in many parts of the western world??
Another question.
If Africans are no longer being made to work for free by “whites,” why on Earth are they (especially in the USA) still categorizing themselves as “white?”
What real purpose does being “white” serve in today’s current world?
on Sun Apr 13th 2014 at 09:51:19 Kartoffel
That Map also highlights that white settler colonies only “worked” outside of the “old world” (except for Israel). The attemps to populate South Africa, Namibia and Algeria with white people failed.
on Sun Apr 13th 2014 at 11:52:39 lifelearner
This map is great! Definitely points out their narcissism. South Africa has little representation and yet they own most everything regarding political/economic power-SMH
on Sun Apr 13th 2014 at 12:26:10 Bulanik
@ Teodor Constantin B
Very weird definition of white. How can you link race to religion? Have you seen albanians? They are white as sh-t, just like bosniak and lots of Chechen, blond hair with often blue eyes.
Here’s a picture of’em. they are very white. they are whiter than Greeks and Romanians who have a majority of dark hair, darker skin than these guys and I’ve seen algerians who could be taken for white or european.
There ARE some Albanians who look like the children in your link, some Balkan people are pale and blond, but with that one, random photo, you seem to be suggesting that that appearance is “representative”of what Albanians really look like.
But it’s not really the whole picture is it? Some, or many, are very blond, true, but some are unmistakably “dark”. I am amazed you didn’t notice that, too, only their whiteness.
Why would you do that?
I wonder whether YOUR definition could be weirder than Abagond’s!
Over many, many generations, didn’t some Albanians intermarry with darker Balkan neighsbours, like Serbs, and Greeks? Or is that a fallacy?
What about the Turks in Albania?
Also, I heard that the (Ottoman) Turks had African men in their military, and African women as concubines in their homes, and this could explain why some (*cough*) supposedly “white” people in South East Europe don’t look all that white.
Take a fairly well-known person like Rita Ora, a child of Albanian parents, who is often mistaken for black or at least mixed race: http://shrani.si/f/3q/fc/RppDesI/46469.jpg
Come to think of it, I can think of a few more fairly well-known Albanians who would certainly be considered “dark”, rather than blond.
And, then you mention Chechens, who are also mostly “white as s**t … blond hair with often blue eyes…”
Well. I don’t think all ethnic Russians would agree with you at all, because some have, or had, a tendency to refer to people from the Caucasus region (and southern Russia) as “black”! That’s due to the common “dark” appearance of those people … Is thatperception also “weird”?
Perhaps they Russians perceive them as ASIAN, rather than anything else..?
Of course there are pale skin and light eye and hair colours among these different groups of people, but I have to wonder about your generalisation, because it absolutely depends on who is doing the looking.
@ Abagond: excellent maps!
on Sun Apr 13th 2014 at 12:53:49 v8driver
interesting point: to wit, perhaps the image of ‘white christ’ provides a rallying point like that for ‘white identity’
on Sun Apr 13th 2014 at 15:04:00 Da Jokah
Thanks abagond. I don’t know what whites would do if they didn’t have racist negros to tell them who is and isn’t white. Though I don’t think I can take any map seriously that omits people solely on the basis of religion. By that logic someone could change their race simply by changing their religion.
@dj you can change anything
…like social constructs, and such.
Religion is definitely a social construct, race not so much. But I’m not naive enough to think I could change your beliefs on that any more than I could change someone’s belief on creationism. When you claim race is a social construct you’re actually putting yourself in the creationist camp by denying evolution. Congratulations. You’re a religious nut even if you don’t recognize your belief as religious.
on Sun Apr 13th 2014 at 16:19:02 Chris
Can you explain how Israel is a “white” country? It seems that this is a common misconception. The Ashkenazi Jews who founded the country are still Jews. They’re still descended from an ancient indigenous population that was exiled from Israel. They have some European admixture genetically, but so do African-Americans. They were never counted as truly white in the European imagination, yet when they return to the land where they have ancient roots, people flip the script on them and claim that they were white Europeans all along. Seems to me that the main reason that people single out Israel is the role of Ashkenazi Jews in founding the country. Had they been brown-skinned Sephardic or Mizrahi Jews, the country would be seen as an organic entity with a right to exist.
Otherwise, the map is pretty interesting, and I really dug the note about Australia being sparsely populated but geographically huge, making it seem much more “white” then it is in terms of raw numbers.
I’m also curious about your reasoning on Lebanon. Is it because a good chunk of Lebanese are Christians?
on Sun Apr 13th 2014 at 16:33:28 King
When you claim race is a social construct you’re actually putting yourself in the creationist camp by denying evolution.
Haha! That is about as ridiculous a statement as can be offered. Classic Jokah!
^ Yes, classic derailment. Soon he will be discussing chimps and orangutans (after all, their original habitats are in different continents).
Not at all. If someone is going to deny the evolutionary basis of subspecies by calling it a “social construct” then it’s not much of a leap to deny the evolutionary basis of species by calling it a social construct as well. The difference between the two is merely a matter of degree.
on Sun Apr 13th 2014 at 17:08:30 biff
This is interesting and thought provoking. White populations seem to be in decline in all of these places. Aside from Russia and maybe part of Eastern Europe, the primarily white areas seem to have heavy migration of non-whites.
Re: Argentina, white in BA. Not so much in the countryside, even though they might identify as white, they are not treated quite the same.
Yes Jokah, except that the preponderance of opinions do both biologists and geneticists agree that the phenotypic differences that we see within human beings are not actually different “sub species” but that there is only one categorically defined “species” of human.
Only stupid people (like part-time HBD bloggers) think that humans are divided into subspecies by evolution. NO major university on earth teaches this.
on Sun Apr 13th 2014 at 18:25:36 eco
“The surprise here is South Africa. I thought at least the Cape would be light blue. Whites are less than 25% in every single province. The way they complained you would think they were like a third of the country. It is galling to see this.”
Congratulations! You now understand how Europeans feel about Africans and Asians in Europe.
the phenotypic differences that we see within human beings are not actually different “sub species” but that there is only one categorically defined “species” of human
Yes, the differences between human populations are clinal, not at the level of subspecies which would require actual DNA differences among all of the individuals between the two populations and no interbreeding between the populations, even though it might be possible. No such phenomenon exists in modern human populations.
ie, there is an evolutionary basis for subspecies, but this does not apply to humans. Any attempt to use subspecies arguments for humans is already specious, not to mention inducing that from differences between species.
would like to see the links to the sources that this spurious line of reasoning is being lifted from.
on Sun Apr 13th 2014 at 18:59:13 Legion
The surprise here is South Africa. I thought at least the Cape would be light blue. Whites are less than 25% in every single province. The way they complained you would think they were like a third of the country.
No, one would not necessarily think that white numbers were large. One would think whites consider themselves large in some sense. It’s common for conqueror peoples to control a much larger conquered populace. You have to smash the people you’re invading initially in whatever way you think will be most effective but after you’ve smashed them you don’t necessarily need large numbers of conquerors to keep watch over the conquered. (British in India as an example, but I think this has been common through history.)
What I’m getting at is whites controlled the economic capital during Apartheid, in that sense they were large and important, putting aside the evil of the regime for a moment. Whites are economically entrenched in S.A., they are still control a lot of capital, it would be on that basis that they would complain as though they are ‘large’ by some metric, and they are.
@ eco
I don’t know what you mean. Can you explain it.
*No, one would not necessarily think that they are a third of the country.
was what my first sentence should have been.
White is not strictly biological or genetic. There is a cultural component to it. It is not the same thing as “Caucasian”, which goes all the way to the Ganges. For example:
1. When I put Yasmeen Ghauri, 100% Caucasian, on my list of beautiful white women, commenters told me she was not “white” because her father is from Pakistan. Many adjustments later, I found I could just slip in Lebanese or Armenian women on my list, but nothing more. Kim Kardashian (Armenian American) is herself a grey case.
2. The Arab Trader argument. It implies that Arabs are not white. Arabs are the “they” of “They did it too!”, to prove that WHITES are not uniquely evil. No one has ever advanced a Portuguese or Dutch trader argument.
3. No one in the US sees, say, Ralph Nader, Christa McAuliffe or Steve Jobs as anything but white – all of Arab descent. No perpetual foreigner stereotype for them. Americanized Arabs seem to count as white, at least if they are not Muslim.
4. For years and years I have been reading in The Economist about whether Turkey is European. Cyprus is part of the EU, yet all kinds of excuses were made not to let in Turkey, a sturdy NATO ally that is in much better economic shape than, say, Greece. Or Cyprus. It seems to boil down to their being Muslim.
5. The Western prejudice against Muslims, even among scholars, is well-documented. The whole thing about Obama being a Secret Muslim takes such prejudice for granted. Muslim American civil rights are arguably in a worse state than even Black civil rights. They are racially profiled along with Black, Latino and Native Americans.
So, yeah, Muslims in the main are not “white”. They did not take part in the European Expansion. They have been the VICTIMS of Western imperialism. QUITE UNLIKE Israel.
Israeli Jews are as white as sin. It is one of the CRUEL IRONIES of the past hundred years. At Auschwitz they were NOT white. As rulers of one of the most openly racist regimes on earth, complete with US backing, they are white. They put South African whites to shame and that is damn white. The only way Americans can stomach Israel’s crimes is because they share their racism.
Huh? In what European country are only Africans or Asians allowed to vote and own most of the country’s wealth?
The whole point of “white” is to excuse Western crimes – like slavery, genocide (even now, though those things are largely in the past) and theft (of native land, ongoing inequality and imperialism). In the US it is used to blind voters to their class interests.
So your definition of white is dependent on whether or not you see the people as racists and oppressors? US backing? If you dumped a bunch of Israeli Jews in NYC, people would approach them trying to speak to them in Spanish and NOT because they were taken for Spaniards. The cruel irony is that Zionism was created as a bulwark against European racism and is now considered to be of a piece with it.
@ Chris
You shall know them by their fruits.
Your completly right that religion plays a huge part in the cunstruction of whiteness an europeanness. But I would differentiate between religion in general and the religion of an individual or a relativly small minority. Predominantly muslim societies are precieved as non-white, but a muslim of turkish decent in France might not. Because Albanians and Bosniaks are seen as part of the Balkan people (who in general today are regarded as European), they are also seen as European. With Arabs it’s the other way around.
It just seems that for Abagond, “white” is just a catch all for things he doesn’t like. So people of color can become “white” at the flick of a switch if there are considered to be oppressors. Its like what happened to George Zimmerman’s racial identity, only extrapolated across the entire globe.
@ Kartoffel
Predominantly muslim societies are precieved as non-white, but a muslim of turkish decent in France might not..
An example, please. And, could you explain why this is so, if it really is so.
I appreciate the point of this post, but I’m still wondering about what you said about Siberia — if you are saying the population doesn’t count (?), then neither should Alaska’s. Siberian cities have bigger populations than Alaskan ones and more than most Canadian ones.
Sam made that point, and I think that’s still true.
I should have said “non-european”, not “non-white”. An example for what, the perception of societies or individuals?
On the question why that is. I think it’s down to how we perceive “otherness” and construct our identity. Religion is certainly a very important marker to determine otherness, but it can be “overruled”. So Albania is perceived as “non-european” because of Islam, but as “european” because the whole region is now regarded as mainland Europe.
Even if that were true, reality isn’t determined by a show of hands or by an appeal to authority. But it isn’t true because no such consensus exists. In fact, surveys show that a majority of physical anthropologists acknowledge biological races.
Who should I believe — you or my lying eyes?
I think it is a matter to be looked upon for all society and not just Abagond. All too often a person who looks to be a poc is argued to be white by certain white men only if said person is a law biding citizen. Once a crime is committed is when they are deemed the other. Great example is during the Zimmerman debacle a white man proudly stated …”of course Zimmerman is not white because he got caught. ” I am sure others will see this statement as they please, but it implies to me that had he not then he would be accepted as the honorary white.
Societies and/or individuals.
I’d just like to understand what you mean from your earliest comment.
Societies: In the contemporary concept of Europe the borders of Europe are pretty much the ones between Islam and Christianity/former Christianity, with some muslim and orthodox-christian societies with undecided status.
Individual: A native German who converts to Islam is still regarded as german and european. For example we have the converted muslim radical Pierre Vogel who nationalists have called a lunatic, a traitor or terrorst. But I’ve never heard that he was called non-european or non-white.
That’s what I meant in short: A muslim society/people=not european. A muslim person=might be european.
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@kartoffel from what i’ve seen, personally? a man declaring as muslim would be that first. american christian? not so much
Your definition of white is very bizarre.
The “dark” ethnic Albanians are no darker than southern Italians, who are classified as white and colonized a bit of Africa. They’re still very western looking and have been in Europe for a very long time.
Again- I find it a bit amazing that people somehow link religion with a race. This is one of the dumbest, most ignorant ideas I’ve ever heard of. There are many white Muslims. Chechens, Bulgarian Pomaks, Bosnians, Albanians. I enjoyed this map until that fact ruined it.
My god haven’t y’all seen Malcolm X?
Remember the scene where he goes to Meccas and realizes Muslims are of all colors and changes his views on humanity completely ?
But you seem to be saying religious conversion will racialize someone.
It doesn’t work the other way either: if Muslim and renounce their faith, it will not suddenly make them Another Ethnicity that they weren’t in the first place.
Are you serious when you say the borders of Europe are now cut depending on where Christianity ends and Islam begins? As if it were so clear cut! Religion is only one cause of division in Europe.
And, whatever happened to secularism in Europe?
I was under the impression that the separation of Church and State was not a contemporary thing but went back a few hundred years…
However, what I was curious about was this:
…Predominantly muslim societies are precieved as non-{European}, but a muslim of turkish decent in France might not.
You mean compared to Arabs?
What do you mean: I am trying to understand your point.
From what I know of Turks in France, this percepton would not generally be so (beyond the French republican ideal of citzenship).
I gave no definition of “white”, and when I think about, most of the Muslims that I know you would fall over to class as “white”, even though they personally wouldn’t.
I’m quite familiar with pale and dark “whites”, even ones that have intermarried somewhat with Asians (or Africans) over generations.
@ Attilah…I just re-read what you said, and can only conclude that you did really read what I said.
on Mon Apr 14th 2014 at 00:20:28 eco
Sure. I think Abagond experienced a feeling a lot of Europeans know very well. It’s being irritated by non-native minority groups who don’t seem to be aware how insignificant they really are, and are responsible for an amount of whining that’s completely disproportional to their deserved role in society.
The obvious difference is that the white South Africans whined about losing power they did not deserve to have to begin with, and Africans and Asians in Europe tend to whine about not being able to gain the power and privileges they do not deserve, because of their numbers and non-native status. By “power and privileges” I mean political representation, wealth, representation in popular culture and the media, religious and cultural freedoms, etc.
Large segments of both, white South Africans and Africans and Asians in Europe, seem to think that for some reason the native population should adjust itself to them and consider the non-native voices as at least as equally important as their own when it comes to national matters.
That’s not the kind of analogy I was making. I see how my previous comment was vague, but I think I explained my point of view in this one.
Haha! Eco are you typing that with a straight face, or is this some kind of elaborate joke?
on Mon Apr 14th 2014 at 03:14:49 Mady Preece
The only reason I had to post on this article as well, is to simply say:
Stop spreading your hatred of white people on the internet.
If we met in person, I am sure you would like me very much; I am extremely friendly funny and attractive (at least I think I am). I am trying to humanize myself, rather then hiding behind a computer screen. So please, do the same and have so god damn faith in humanity.
I guess I’m trolling a bit, because I know this kind of stuff is inflammatory and I intentionally used a few completely unsubtle phrases, but overall I’m serious. I genuinely think native people should be privileged over non-natives. Even over non-native citizens. It seems to me that true, perfect equality is unobtainable and of all possible solutions, that allow geographically distant cultures to coexist peacefully, favoring natives is the least of all evils.
on Mon Apr 14th 2014 at 03:38:21 jefe
What is native people? Descendent of indigenous peoples, the people that got there first?
How do we handle a place like Hawaii? or Mauritius?
What’s more, many of the descendants of the non-native people may be so ethnically or racially complicated that they have no other place to “return” to. Where do the Cape Coloureds in S.A. or the Singaporean Eurasian call home?
on Mon Apr 14th 2014 at 05:58:24 gatobranco1
It is really ilogical to classify Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbians, Armenians and Georgians as “white”, while considering Chechens, Daghestanis, Azeris, Albanians, Kosovars, Bosnians, Turks(of Turkey) as “non white”. All these people and some other, as Kurds, Lebanese and also many Afghans, Iranians, Tajiks, Pamiris etc. are best considered as “darker Europoids”. In Russia they are often called “people of Caucasian appearance” and distinguished both from white Slavs as well as from Mongoloids ar Blacks. Although some of people of these nationalities may look as central Europeans.
In Russia, even some Italian, Spanish and Portuguese people very likely would be considered Caucasian, rather than White or European, especially in the street when nobody knows who they are.
on Mon Apr 14th 2014 at 07:23:45 Legion
You’re only trolling if your insincere. You are serious about this view of yours though. Actually Eco, it’s quite an interesting view (and has quite an air of danger to it).
I genuinely think native people should be privileged over non-natives. Even over non-native citizens.
Well you can think/feel that but it’s not a sound view. Putting aside the issue of fairness, your view simply isn’t sound. It’s a recipe for immigrant criminal underclasses and a vicious circle of incarcerating the “ungrateful” immigrants, because they should be overjoyed to live in a society that locks them into 2nd class status.
I don’t believe that immigrants should be permitted to over turn the cultures of their new home countries through political power plays. Cultural change should take place organically, I think.
It seems to me that true, perfect equality is unobtainable and of all possible solutions, that allow geographically distant cultures to coexist peacefully, favoring natives is the least of all evils.
^That is a statement about protecting something. What is it you want to protect? Culture?
“Arabs” would be very difficult to classify according to race, some of them in Sudan or Mauritania, are definitely black, some as in Lebanon or Syria – most likely white, while North Africans, including Egyptians, are probably of mixed race there are plenty people there who are not white by any criteria, but some may look as Southern Europoids.
An interesting fact is that Hausa speaking black Africans call all white Europeans ‘Bature” which taken etymologically means “Turkish”.
In Russia there are some nuances related to race. A person, who has a Caucasian appearance and, let’s say, partially Georgian ancestors, but who is Russian in language, culture and upbringing, would be considered nevertheless a Slav and European, not a Caucasian by people who know him. He however could be taken as a Caucasian by strangers in the street and even hurled racial insults against him, especially in times when there are tensions between Slavic Russians and “Caucasians”, however these people if becoming aware that he is a Russian, would treat him as Russian and probably even apologize for taking him as Caucasian.
Ethnic Russians with Asiatic admixture(there are quite a few of such especially in Siberia would be mostly also considered as Slav Europeans, especially if the admixture of asiatic features is not too much.
Right, Siberia has more people than Canada and way more than Alaska. I scaled the last map, though, by region, not by country or state. So Canada and Argentina got scaled with their continents. They would each be about the size of Oceania or Siberia if scaled on their own. To scale the map at the country or state level I would need one of those cartogram programs.
Oppression is hardly whites-only. I would not consider Hutus, Arabic-speaking Sudanese, Mao, Mobutu, Pol Pot, Clarence Thomas, Condoleezza Rice or Barack Obama to be “white”.
on Mon Apr 14th 2014 at 12:21:14 Bulanik
Come now, King. 😀
You know eco behaves like that because Poland never succeeded in nabbing any colonial territories, not formally anyway. It never materialized…
(Sniff, sniff.)
on Mon Apr 14th 2014 at 12:42:08 Bobby M
About giving native born citizens more privileges:
While naturalized citizens should have most of the rights of the native born – they (immigrants) should have to change their culture and language to fit in with the country they move to, not the other way around.
Poor Poland 😦 Everyone deserves a colony.
Poland never aspired having colonies overseas. In 16-18, Poland, or more exactly Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth ruled vast territories in the East Europe, comprising modern Lithuania, Belarus and much of Ukraine. However in the end of 18 century weakened Poland was partitioned between three large empires – Russia, Prussia and Austria. It reemerged as souvereign state only in November 1918 only to be again partitioned by Communist Russia and Nazi Germany in 1939. In 1945 it reemerged again this time as a puppet state of the Communist Empire and finally became a truly souvereign state in 1989-1991.
Never aspired?
In the September session of 1937 of the League of Nations, didn’t Poland demand colonies? I also recollect hearing that in the same era, wasn’t there some kind of treaty signed between Liberia and Poland (which favoured Poland), and didn’t Poles try to settle there?
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2492615?uid=3738232&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21103660958551
I’ve heard of this of a proposal called the “Colonial Theses of Poland”, which was produced by Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but have not have read it:
http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/art.php?aid=168422
They also had settlement ambitions in Brazil.
http://www.polishroots.org/Research/History/poles_latinamerica/tabid/241/Default.aspx
on Mon Apr 14th 2014 at 13:55:54 Brothawolf
eco said,
Here we go again. Is it me, or does it seem like whites are scrambling to find any hint of being the victim of reverse racism? Instead of self-reflections, they prefer to have the tables turned, not to learn how it feels like to be the “other”, but to condemn nonwhites.
gatobranco1, we are aware of the history. We’re just ribbing eco because he is making nonsensical statements. Two can play at that game!
Additionally, before I forget: the Senegalese who explained that part about Liberia, also said an area of Gambia was leased by the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth at one time, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_The_Gambia
There’s probably a lot more info out there than that…
Probably you have in mind the colonial plans of Jacob the duke of the Duchy of Couland and Semigallia(now part of Latvia), which was in 17 century a vassal state of Polish Lithuanian commonwealth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Couronian_colonization
In Polish and Liothuanian history these attempt played extremely marginal role. Both Polish and Lithuanian nobles were of continental not of seafaring mentality, they were interested in the lands in East.
As for colonies in period before 1939, not only Poland ranted about colonies, but even in Lithuania, a country with just 2,5 millions of population some people had dreams about establishing a Lithuanian colony in Africa:) A professor of Kaunas university Pakštas even made a travel to Africa in order to look for places where Lithuanians could settle:) He described his impressions in the book “from Kaunas to Kapstadt”(Nuo Kauno iki Kapstadt’o). I have read this book long ago, but I remember the passage where professor described the Portuguese colonizators in Angola with deep admiration for the “civilizational work” which they have made.
Thus colonialism wa really a fashion then:)
No, not at all gatobranco1. It’s not something I “had in mind”.
As King says: we are aware of the history.
Saying “it was the times”, or colonialisation was merely a fashion in the olden days, or “extremely marginal”, is an OPINION — and changes nothing.
on Mon Apr 14th 2014 at 15:58:16 Sharina
Bobby M
Please provide and example of where it is the other way around? Oh and nothing made up please because I am not in the mood to waddle through your imagination.
Nope. Not just you at all.
Well said. Though I agree with economic in that he might be trolling if his goal was to stir the pot, but seeing this is his actual view I am confused as to if it it trolling. Can it be both?
The trolling thing is questionable with Eco. I still can’t take his comments on the “white American music thread” seriously.
@jefe
“What is native people? Descendent of indigenous peoples, the people that got there first? (…)”
I’m talking about something I consider a general ideal, not a precise rule that should be enforced globally. I have no desire to tell nations, ethnic/cultural groups other than my own how they should live their lives and who they should see as one of their own.
I think of nativity the way I think of race. It’s not a real, material thing. In a lot of ways it’s a social construct. The concept of nativity does break down in many contexts. You are absolutely right about that. BUT! So does race. I’m aware of the limitations of the term “native” as much as I’m aware of the limitations of “race”. I think it’s as reasonable to talk about a land’s native people as it’s reasonable to talk about its black or white population.
“I’ve found that people who make the ‘Nothing is perfect!’ argument (like for racial equality) don’t really care about equality at all. It’s just a lazy, rhetorical deflection tactic they use to paint any effort at civilization as tautologically futile. Why? Well, I just said. They don’t care.”
It’s not lazy. It’s selfish and cynical. It’s not about not wanting to do the work. It’s about recognizing that if you are a native, a member of a dominating majority, multiculturalism is not going to benefit you. Since it requires mutual compromises you can only lose because of it. So why should you want to do it?
“It’s a recipe for immigrant criminal underclasses and a vicious circle of incarcerating the ‘ungrateful’ immigrants, because they should be overjoyed to live in a society that locks them into 2nd class status. ”
True, but that’s pretty much what’s happening in the supposedly multicultural societies, isn’t it? Somebody is always getting the short end of the stick, some group always needs to be the underclass. I think it’s ultimately a choice between glass and concrete ceilings.
“That is a statement about protecting something. What is it you want to protect? Culture?”
Yeah, that’s accurate, but I’ll phrase it in a more general way – it’s about the groups’ right to self-determination.
You said that “cultural change should take place organically”, I’m taking it further – I think the initiative to change should only come from within. In the case of the native/non-native dynamic, natives are not required to do anything, not required to make any concessions. Why should they be?
Based on that principle I wouldn’t support the white South Africans’ right to vote. They have no right to tell the native people what the natives should do with their country. Unless, of course, the natives decide on their own to expand the non-natives’ rights. I apply that reasoning whenever it makes sense to speak of nativity.
“I still can’t take his comments on the ‘white American music thread’ seriously.”
😀 You mean the stuff about socially conscious rap?
@ legion excuse my typos. This auto-correct is killing me. Should be eco not economic.
on Mon Apr 14th 2014 at 23:49:00 Chris
That’s what I don’t get. If you want to make the argument that the Jews went from Auschwitz to apartheid, I can see the argument. I’m not in total agreement, but I can see your argument. I just don’t get where the white racial categorization comes in. It seems to me that your argument is that:
1. In 1943, the European Jews were subject to racist policies backed by a mighty Western war machine.
2. Today, Israelis are subjecting another people to racist policies backed by a mighty Western war machine.
But, I don’t get what the relationship is between that argument, and race, which I see as an extension of how a person looks. I mean, blacks were oppressed by the West for many years, but now the foremost Western military power is headed by a black man who has taken unprecedented liberties with regard to war powers, allowing himself the right to take out anyone, anywhere for any reason. He also authorized the NSA to scoop up enough information to make George Bush II seethe with envy. But he’s still black. Because he looks black and the USA has a one-drop rule. He didn’t become white when he attained massive institutional power.
As a side note, there is a popular French singer named Enrico Macias. The guy would certainly be considered to be a man of color in the USA. He is a Sephardic Jew who was exiled from his native Algeria upon that nation’s independence in 1962. He was never invited back to Algeria, or to any Arab country, for that matter, because he has always expressed staunch solidarity with the Jewish state over the years. This year he announced that, after having spent half a century in France, he would be moving to Israel full time and taking up citizenship there. I don’t think that at the tender age of 75, his racial identity will change based on his new citizenship.
on Tue Apr 15th 2014 at 00:02:13 Chris
To illustrate my point regarding Macias, here he is in 1973 singing “Hava Nagila” with Charles Aznavour, another great French chansonnier. He’s stylin’ in that purple suit! I put this comment separately, lest it get snagged in moderation. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTRS3oB4b6s)
on Tue Apr 15th 2014 at 00:39:33 v8driver
who is aipac going to lobby in the usa?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-lucey/113th-congress-by-the-num_b_2737382.html
“Gender/Ethnicity.
• A record number 100 woman serve in the 113th Congress: 80 in the House, including 3 Delegates, and 20 in the Senate.
• 43 African Americans will serve in the House and 2 in the Senate. This House number includes 2 Delegates.
• A record number 38 Hispanic or Latino members are represented in the 113th Congress: 34 in the House, including 1 Delegate and the Resident Commissioner, and 4 in the Senate.
• 13 members (10 Representatives, 2 Delegates, and 1 Senator) are Asian American or Pacific Islanders.
• 1 American Indian (Native American) serves in the House.”
http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/aipac-outspends-other-religion-related-advocacy-groups-in-washington-d-c/
israel was granted a wide autonomy after wwii especially to expand and defend their acquisition over there, they got the dice roll, and they are going with it, man.
and to spell it out if you aren’t with me so far as the song goes, it would tend to suggest a support for a ‘judeo-christian’, american is a christian nation ‘partnership’, thank god they didn’t take out the reactor in iran
i’m still unclear on where abagond comes down on north african/arab/semitic as ‘white’ persuant to the “sub-saharan africa thread,” i guess it would fall under what i understand his preference to 3 race only theory, as previously stated; however north africa and ‘the middle east’ are grey in this picture so i am totally confused on that one.
on Tue Apr 15th 2014 at 04:51:17 abagond
Ideas like “race”, “white”. “black”, “savage”, etc, are largely a side effect of Western imperialism. Whiteness comes from the barrel of a gun. The idea that it comes from physical appearance and biology is a self-serving fairy tale used to make Western crimes seem inevitable, acceptable, part of the natural order of things, to make racial inequality seem “just”. I have read enough ancient Greek history to know that racism and the racist status quo are hardly “natural” or some kind of inevitable outcome, to know that it is excuse-making for those in power.
In 1943 Jews were at the “wrong” side of that gun barrel. Now they are on the other side, going above and beyond the call of duty as hired guns for the US. They have ordered their society in a racist fashion, almost like a mini US where Palestinians play the part of Blacks and Natives rolled into one. They even have the Manifest Destiny thing down: that they have a God-given right to other people’s land, people whom they dehumanize and massacre. On top of all that, Jews are accepted as white in the US.
Archaeologists will see Israel as an extension of North American society, as part of the European Expansion, Why would they not?
North Africa is grey not so much because of its genetics but because I do not see most Muslims as “white”:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/04/11/the-map-of-white-people/#comment-227425
on Tue Apr 15th 2014 at 05:34:30 gatobranco1
[No, not at all gatobranco1. It’s not something I “had in mind”.
Saying “it was the times”, or colonialisation was merely a fashion in the olden days, or “extremely marginal”, is an OPINION — and changes nothing.]
I just wanted to say that all these attempts at “colonialism” from the side of Polish or Lithuanians or Duchy of Courland or maybe also Czechs, Hungarians or Lichtensteinians(who knows:))) are rather comedy and farce:)) 99.99% of the people in these countries knew nothing about any colonial plans:)
Perhaps the only book that the most Polish knew anything at all about Africa and other far away countries was the book of the author Henryk Sienkiewicz “In Desert and Wilderness”(W pustyni i puszczy) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Desert_and_Wilderness about two white children who succeed in escaping during the rebellion of Sudanese Mahdi, and have to pass through unexplored parts of Africa. The book is full of stereotypes about Africans prevalent in the 19 century Europe. Sienkiewicz apparently never visited Africa, he took his “wisdom” from descriptions of French and British colonialists.
As regards Brasil, in the 30ies of 20 century Brasilian government indeed had concerns that some of European nations may use their immigrant communities in Brasil in order to carve up colonies. Poland apparently was one of the states that caused concern for Brasilians, but of course the source of the most concern was Germany and Italy, since these nations had more potential, obviously strived for colonies in other parts of the world and had quite large imigrant communities in Brasil.
Besides that the most of Brasilians were quite unsatisfied that German, Italian, Polish and other immigrants do not want integrate in the Brasilian society, but instead strive at maintaining their own closed communities, their own language and culture, their own schools, press, churches etc. Besides, many of these immigrants even in the second and even third generation did not speak Portuguese or spoke very little, especially in rural areas. In 1937 the President Getulio Vargas adopted stringent laws that closed all immigrant political and cultural organizations and even banished speaking in public other languages than Portuguese. After stepping down of Vargas in 1945 these laws were repealed, however they have intiated swifter assimilation of imigrant communities into Brasilian mainstream.
It is not quite correct say that in 1941-45 Jews were killed by German Nazis because they were viewed as “non-white”. German Nazis had more complex racial hierarchy than just “white-nonwhite”. The highest group was not just “white”, but “Nordic”, Germanic” or Aryan”. Jews obviously were at the lowest rung of the hierarchy, Black African on the second lowest, yet the Slavs – Polish and Russians especially(who are “white” by any standards) – were also viewed as “Untermenschen”(subhumans), not very much better than Jews or Blacks. However Nazis had much higher regards for some other Slavic peoples, such as Slovaks and Croatians, as well as for Turkic and Iranic peoples. Asiatic Japanese were allies of Nazis in the WWII.
As for Israeli Jews after 1948, I think your assessment is largely correct. There indeed is much resemblance in the racist mentality of WASP and Israelis, and this hardly surprising since the racism of both stems from the same source – the Old Testament of the Bible, which is full of the stories of racial exclusion and genocide. Catholic nations read much less of the Bible in former centuries, and if they read it was the most often the New Testament, not the Old. This situation had its reflection in the fact that the racism of Spanish, Portuguese of French, which certainly existed, was nevertheless more attenuated, less exclusionary and segregationist, that that of White Anglos, Dutch Afrikaaners or Israelis. E.g. if I am not mistaken there was no “one drop rule” in French Louisiana, and “quarterons” were often accepted as whites or at least there was no stigma on intermarriage.
on Tue Apr 15th 2014 at 07:34:00 sami parkkonen
@abagond: Very interesting. Two comments:
I wonder why you do not see muslims as “white” when there are hundreds of thousands of “racially” white muslims in Europe. Bosniaks, albanians etc. consider themselves as whites in racial sense. Is your view based on the fact that you do not see arabs as pure whites, regardless what they think about themselves and thus all muslims are not white, or is this american view on the subject? I personally would not class anybody racially based on their religious views or beliefs. There are hundreds of million africans who are christians who are in racial cathegories clearly black and yet if there ever was a “white european” religion it is christianity.
Siberia seems to be a bit of mystery for most of the people. Usually its colonization by the russian is linked on race too but reality is something else. There were white natives in western parts of Siberia millenias before the first russians. Starting from the west of Urals, the people called Ves/Vepsä lived in the east from the White Sea and Lake Ladoga and they were white finnourgic people. The bjarmians who also lived on the west from the Urals were also white etc.
Also the hungarians came from the Urals as late as 800’s and they too are of finnougric stock. They migrated to their present day Hungary in early 800’s and lived nomadic life on the present day Ukraine much of the early part of 800’s. And they too are white as can be.
The northern parts of the present day Russia were also lands of other finnougric people, the Murom, Mari, Meretsh etc. The söavic tribes migrated to that region only from 700’s onwards. So the native population of the western half of the Siberia was white by the usual racial definitions from as long as can be traced.
Also the Saami/Sami people of Lapland are white by the usual racial definitions and yet they are natives of the whole Fennoscandia region.
All of these native peoples of the north east and Siberia were colonized and some even wiped out from existence by the new comers from the west. This happened also in Prussia in medieval times where some of the native people were completely wiped out by the germans and other invaders.
All of which also show that racial definitions are a huge load of BS and, just like you say, based on the economics, exploitation and colonization by white minority.
As seen in here:
@sami parkkonen
I think that you do not orient very well in geography:) The ugrofinnic people people that you have mentioned – Vepsä, Permians, Murom, Mari, Meshchera have never lived in Siberia, they lived in the European part of modern Russia. The Vepsä inhabited areas near the lake Laattokka, for example, are quite close to St. Petersburg and to Finnish border which is quite a way to go from Sibiria:))
Siberia as it is usually defined as land to the east of Urals. I strongly doubt if peoples who lived to the East of Urals – Siberian Tatars, Khanty, Mansi – were “white”.
Concerning Hungarians, the most of modern day Hungarians are not the descendants of Magyar Onogur tribes, but rather of Slavs that Magyars found on arrival and Germans that settled in Hungary later. Perhaps it would be quite difficult tell to which racial group ancient Magyars belonged, the origin of their language – Ugro-Finic or Turkic is also not very clear although many scholar classify them as Ugro-Finic.
As for the population of Sibiria proper, the indigenous people belong to several groups as Samoyed(as Nenets, Enets, Nganasan, Selkup – partly also in European part of Russia as well), Khanty-Mansi(condidered as “ugro-finic” yet theIr language has very little similarity with either Finnish or Hungarian), Turkic(Siberian Tatars, Altai, Tuva, Khakas, Saha Yakut, Dolgan). Mongolic(Buryat), Tungusic(Even, Evenki, Nanai, Oroch, Oroqen) and so-called “Paleoasiatic” not a single group but including several unrelated groups(Chukchi-Koryak, Nivkh, Ket, Yukagir)
I think that racially almost all these groups were Asiatic(Mongoloid).
Most of the population of Siberia today speak Russian and identify as Russians and Slavs. Since there was neither “one drop rule” nor ban on miscegenation in Russia, many of Russians in Siberia have admixture of Asiatic(Mongoloid) blood in their veins. Many indigenous people today are also speakers of Russian, the local languages with the most speakers are Buryat, Saha-Yakut, Khakass, Tuva, Siberian Tatar. Everyone is bilingual in Russian as well.
A question to Abagond
could this gentleman be considered white in the USA?
And how about these girls
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmdPjhTgPNY)
@ Gato Branco #1
The gentlemen looks kind of Asian, kind of white, but if he spoke with a Texan accent, I might not notice that. The singers look white to me.
BUT I am TERRIBLE at telling whether someone looks white. I used to think these women looked white:
Anne Curry
Maya Rudolph
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/27000000/bipasha-bipasha-basu-27092317-400-300.jpg
I see no earth-shaking difference between them and, say, these “white” women:
Annette Funicello
Or these women, who I am still not sure whether they are “white” or not:
http://www.topnews.in/files/paula-abdul-2.jpg
So it is extremely hard for me to buy this idea of “white” as strictly genetic or just a matter of objective physical appearance. If it were that clear-cut or objective, I should be able to easily tell the difference.
Ann Curry looks like Filipina, definitely not white, Paula Abdul like Latina or Filipino Mestiza, Patricia Ford, Yasmeen Ghauri, Maya Rudolph, Bipasha Basu and Kim Kardashian would appear rather like Iranic(Iranian/Tajik/Afghan) or Caucasoid(Azeri/Georgian/Armenian/Chechen) although they could also be taken as Mediterranian(Italian/Spanish/Greek), but probably not as truly Central Europeans.
Nevertheless none of them(except Ann Curry) would look very out of place in the street of a Russian, Polish, Czech, Hungarian or Lithuanian city
For other ladies whom you call definitely “white” it is difficult to say, but all of them are rather of Mediterranian type, some may also look as Tajik/Iranian. Megan Fox has in this picture eyebrows made up as Tajik ladies do, but otherwise she looks more like Spanish senorita.
You indeed are right that it is not always easy to determine “whiteness” according only to looks, especially for the people who are born in Mediterranian/Middle East/Central Asia however religion(Christian or Muslim) is also a poor criterium, since there are lots of Muslims, especially in Bosnia, Albania, Kosovo and Turkey who look definitely white, even like Central European. Probably the best thing is to accept that not everyone can be neatly and easily classified as white or non-white.
@gatobranco:
Thanks for reply. However your definition of Siberia is, typically, quite limited. As for the finnourgic people, such as the Vepsäläiset and others, they lived way up east.
The area west from Urals is known as West Siberia, but granted, not very widely known fact. Actually, geographically, the whole Finland belongs to the western Siberia, but if we feel to be picky, then the whole land mass east from the White Sea is Siberia.
The hungarians of present day are mixed. naturally, but their original home is in Urals. So the white hungarians originated from Siberia.
I understand that it is very hard to realise that there is whole multitude of white natives anywhere outside the west european area, but so it is. Siberia included.
Yes, in east Siberia the natives are more asian BUT still many of them belong the peoples who speak uralian languages.
Like so
The point here is that dividing world by races is in my mind pretty stupid. Culturally yes, but “racially” it is silly.
@ Sami
I thought of using both linguistics and genetics to define “white”. The trouble is that, either way, Iran, Pakistan and much of India would become part of “white”. That was not the sort of white I had in mind. Linguistics would also leave out Finland and Hungary – or, if I included Uralic languages, I would also have to let in all Indo-European languages, which would again bring in India. Religion fell much closer to the fault lines that defined the sort of people I had in mind. I am not saying it is perfect, but is a better approximation than the alternatives I could think of.
I commented on my thinking on Muslims and whiteness here:
on Tue Apr 15th 2014 at 17:05:28 Bulanik
@ gatobranco1,
Perhaps the only book that the most Polish knew anything at all about Africa and other far away countries was the book of the author Henryk Sienkiewicz “In Desert and Wilderness”(W pustyni i puszczy)
I’ve heard of this book as well! 😀 Also “Murzynek Bambo” (“Bamboo, the little black child”), a poem of some charm — but how does this makes any difference to the argument?
You see, as farcical as you think Polish attempts at colonisation were, I’m not sure if your reading of European histories has caused you to consider the links between imagination and ideology… Those harmless, if stereotypical references to darker, foreign people from faraway places, can, at times, utlimately lead to “civilizing missions” by even well-meaning Europeans.
You only have to look at the example of India and the emergence of the British in that country to realize that.
(*Amal Chatterjee’s “Creation of India in the Colonial Imagination” explains the the early colonial ideas about the “exotic East” which later led to “primitive subject nation” perceptions.)
When you said the Poles never aspired to be colonialists, it was clearly not so.
From what Taras Hunczak says about Poland’s colonial ambitions, they weren’t, at one time, as “extremely” marginal about it at all. I had to smile at the irony of this, as Poland and other Eastern Slavs were perceived as “Kolonie” (colonies) by Germany who settled in those territories for centuries…
I don’t mean to say that the facts you provide aren’t insightful.
However, your analysis of “extreme” marginality simply isn’t supported.
A government’s decision to colonize other places is not arrived at from dubious and derivative ideas in children’s books alone.
* http://www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Representations-of-India-1740-1840-Amal-Chatterjee/9781283653176
on Wed Apr 16th 2014 at 04:40:20 gatobranco1
@ sami parkkonen
Your definition of “Western Sibiria” is indeed a novelty, since usually Western Sibiria is defined as the territory between Ural mountains in West and Yenissey river in East
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Siberian_Plain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Siberian_economic_region
I think you should give at least some refrences where Norhern part of the European Russia or even Finland is referred to as “Western Siberia”. I have never heard such definition yet.
I have never seen other people on the earth so “racially aware” as North-American White Anglos or WASP, with such obsession on “whiteness”. For the most peoples of Central and Eastern Europe “whiteness” is maybe important however it is ethnical origin that matters the most.
For the most of Muslim peoples the issue whether they are “white” or “non-white” is rather non-issue at all. The most important thing is whether one is Muslim or not. Muslims classify people not according to race, real or presumed, but according to religion.
Many Muslims were pround of their ancestry, whether Arabic, Turkic, Kurdish or Iranian, yet what really mattered to them was the ancestry only from paternal side, not from maternal. Whether their mothers were free Muslim women or slave concubines of African, Asiatic or European origin(Sharia allowed for free Muslim men 4 free spouses and illimited number of concubines), the progeny were free if their father was free and had the same inheritance rights according to Sharia and could inherit father’s property, quite differently to the situation of the children of white slaveholders and their black concubines in the North America.
A very important point is that slavery was not racialized in the Muslim world, their were slaves of almost all races and nations in Muslim lands. Arabic or Swahili slave traders brought black slaves from Africa, while Crimean Tatars sold their Polish, Ukrainian ans Russian captives. Other traders could by bringing slaves from Asiatic countries.
Emancipated slaves were given the same rights under Sharia like free Muslim people and they sometimes could rise very high in the social hierarchy, sometime becoming even viziers and rulers. For example, Egypt was run quite a long time by ex-slave sultans of Turkic Qipchak or Circassian origin.
Because of all that there is much less racial awareness among Muslims, and I suppose that Muslim emigrants asked about race, prefer to answer that they not white and black or asian or something of that kind, but are just “Muslims” or “Turks” or “Arabs” or “Iranians” so creating the impression that “Muslim” is a race.
Indeed if the WASP imagination has constructed several ancestry based races( White, Black, Asian, Pacifical Islander, Native American) and one “race” based on language and culture(Latino) so, according to white Anglos, why it couldn’t be one more “race” based this time on religion? Indeed, an average White Anglo is happy only if he is able to neatly categorize people in “racial” categories. If there are some people who defy such categorization, “whites” feel deep psychological pain and anxiety as if the world were about to collapse:)
even if you have classified Linda Perry as “white” but to me she looks indeed black. It is more visible in a better picture
As for Julia Louis Dreyfus, in this picture she looks very much like Turk or Iranian http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Julia_Louis-Dreyfus_VF_2012_Shankbone_3.jpg
A little bit about “beauty standards” in dependance of race.
For me who live in a country where many women are blonde, and most of the rest are rather “gray”(neither blonde nor dark) rather than dark haired, the most attractive “white” women for me are exactly those who are dark haired, of Spanish/Latino, South Italian, Turkish or Iranian/Tajik type, not very high in stature and rather thick-set. While the beauty standards of Mediterranian, Arabic and Iranian guys are the exact opposite – they are really crazy about tall blonde girls:)
As for “non-white” the most pretty for me are women from Philippines and Congo. This of course does not mean that I consider the ladies from rest of world as ugly:D
Not only Muslims are difficult to classify in the racial optics of White Anglos. Another “hard nut to crack” are Filipinos. There are plenty discussions of the internet the participants of which try to answer deeply philosophical question – whether Filipinos are Asians, Pacific Islanders or Latinos. Sometimes these are questions of white guys, sometime of Flipino Americans who are puzzled by insistant questions of their white neighbors and colleagues about their “race”.
Indeed they are in geographical Asia, have a smattering of Confucian values, but mostly do not look like typical Asians(Chinese, Korean, Japanese); many of Filipinos indeed look similar to Pacific islanders and are remotly related to them linguistically yet Philippines has never been considered a part of Oceania; Filipinos have many Spanish elements in their culture(as Catolicism, musical traditions, many Spanish borrowings in local languages) as well as Spanish surnames, some, especially Filipino Mestizo, can even look like typical Latinos, yet the absolute majority of them speak no word in Spanish but instead Tagalog, Cebuano, Ilokano and some 100 more languages together with English. Really a puzzle for racial classification:))
Besides that, Filipinos could even be considered black since many have admixture of the blood of Agtas(“Negritos”) who are black beyond doubt although differ from African by their much lower stature
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negrito
on Wed Apr 16th 2014 at 18:41:49 sami parkkonen
Well, do not take my word. Check this program. It is a finnish documentary series “Finnougric people in Thirty Days”, part 6: The Mordvans and the Komi, who live in Siberia. I guess even you would admit that the Komi live in Siberia proper, the one even you can accept as Siberia. And you can look yourself if the Komi are “black”, “asian” or what ever, or “white”. They are finnougric nation, have lived in Siberia from times immemorial etc.
http://areena.yle.fi/tv/1783782
And yes, Komi is west from the Urals
on Wed Apr 16th 2014 at 21:17:10 Bulanik
@ gatobranco1
…Indeed they are in geographical Asia, have a smattering of Confucian values, but mostly do not look like typical Asians(Chinese, Korean, Japanese)
Just to say, whenever I come to this blog, I always have to remember that “Asia” starts in the Eastern part of the continent, somewhere around China, roughly, very roughly, and Asians are, as you say Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc. Typical Asians never, NEVER, ever look like this:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LQAFScAGSxk/TyKUkgNQSxI/AAAAAAAAANA/jgmcjwC6gRk/s1600/indian+skin.jpg,
Or like this:
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-aDEIME0xlyDsjWc-8hJbFIKxyprX_5TKpQqbGzE3pGzcHE2f
…even though there are well over 1.6 billion of them, right in the middle of Asia.
I do see what you mean, gatobranco — it’s just general observation I am making.
on Thu Apr 17th 2014 at 05:44:38 gatobranco1
Unfortunately, the video does not load but it can be found on you tube as well I’ll see. Kiitos paljon:)
I think I know sufficiently well about finno-ugric people. All they(Komi Zyrian, Komi Permyak, Udmurt, Mari, Erzya, Moksha) except Khanty-Mansi live in the European Russia to the West of Urals, not in Siberia. All finno-ugric people to the West of Urals are white. As for Khanty-Mansi living to the East of Urals, from the pictures I have seen on the net, they appear rather Eurasian but not truly Asiatic/mongoloid. Some even may look white
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Khanty
http://www.eki.ee/books/redbook/khants.shtml
http://www.eki.ee/books/redbook/mansis.shtml
I have however some doubts whether Khanty and Mansi are truly related to Finns. I have found textbooks of Khanty and Mansi languages on internet. These languages have not a slightest ressemblance with Finnish, but neither they do resemble Hungarian. Finnish and Hungarian does not seem to be related either. There are a dozen Hungarian words which resemble Finnish but there are much more which resemble Turkic or Chuvashian.
Chuvash, a non-ugrofinic people living in European Russia (distantly related to Turkic) are also white. Volga Tatars I tink are also mostly white since most of them are descendant of ancient Bulgars and spoke once a dialact similar to Chuvash before they switched to Qipchaq. Some are of Qipchaq extraction and can have Asiatic features.
Regarding Bulgars there is hypothesis that they once lived in the mountainous area in the Central Asia. Probably the name of the city Falghar(Tajikistan) located on the Turkestan range can be related to the word Bulgar. Later they migrated to the North Caucasus area and from there they went and established north to the Black Sea. In 7 century attacked by Khazars they split into several groups, one of them went to Volga region, another led by Khan Asparukh migratred to South of Danube where they established their own powerful state bud made only minority in it(about 20-30% how it is believed) and later slavicized.
It is difficult to tell what language Bulgars spoke, but probably they were a tribal confederation different tribes of which spoke Turkic or rather proto-Chuvashian, Iranic and remaining maybe Finno-Ugric or Proto-Hungarian languages. However these language(s) are not attested. What remains are only some 200 words in modern Slavic Bulgarian which are believed to be “proto-Bulgarian”.
Anyway it is quite probably that these ancient Bulgars were white, and not mongoloid how it is assumed by some scholars.
concerning the concept Asia.
Geographical Asia – in the East it includes Philippines and the most of Indonesia, but does not includes New-Guinea island, Melanesia, Micronesia or Polinesia which are considered to be part of Oceania. In the West, geographical Asia’s limits are Urals mountains, Caucasus range, Bosphorus straits, Egean Sea, Suez Channel and Red Sea.
Asia as used for the purposes of sports competitions, UN agencies etc. – sometimes it can include parts of Oceania or Australia/NZ, sometimes not. Turkey, Israel, Armenia, Azerbaijan Republic, Georgia are often included into Europe
Asian as “race” in the USA – it includes chiefly representatives of the peoples of the Confucian culture – Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese, but also may include all those peoples who have more or less “mongoloid” appearance(narrower eyes etc.), as Thai, Burmese, Cambodians, Mongolians, Tibetans, Central Asian and Siberian Turkic peoples etc. It can inlude Indonesians and Filipinos as well
Asian as “race” in the Great Britain – in the GB Asian it means Indo-Pakistanis.
on Thu Apr 17th 2014 at 07:49:25 Pay it Forward
^^ I have commented several times in the past on this as well.
“Asian” in the US context = East Asian, but is sometimes extended to include the others as listed by gatobranco.
In Britian, however, East Asians are variously known as Chinese, “Oriental” etc., with the group /racial designation of “Asian” going to South Asians, who in the US are typically referred as Indians or “East Indians”, I have also heard “Gandhi Indians” and “Hindus” (actual religious affiliation notwithstanding) by older folk, as well as a least two derogatory identifiers which I will not list here.
In this same vein West and Southwest Asians in the USare not typically referred to as “Asians” either. They are Middle Easterners or “Arabs”
Not using the identifier “Asian” for US-based Indians and other South Asians is not intended as a snub, just as — and I will assume — no snub is intended for British-based East Asians in the regard of typically assigning South Asians, rather than East Asians, the general and more encompassing designation of just plain “Asian”.
Concerning the definition of “who is white” there is some interesting historical cases:
An Indian man(Sikh) who wanted to prove that he is white and thus eligible for naturalization(at the time when the Us law allowed only white and black African persons for naturalization)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Bhagat_Singh_Thind
Another example a Japanese man who wanted Japanese reclassified as white also for naturalization purposes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozawa_v._United_States
However both claims were rejected at that time(1920ies)
Probably that one of things that perpetrates the racial stereotypes and racial thinking is the use of the concept “race” in thie official censuses of the USA
Click to access cenbr01-1.pdf
Interesting enough the census qualifies as “white” people “having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicated their race or races as “White” or wrote in entries such as
Irish, German, Italian, Lebanese, Near Easterner, Arab, or Polish.”
Thus according to the USA census, all Muslims of North Africa, Arab countries, Turkey, Iran, Albania, Bosnia, maybe also from some other countries would be qualified as white. Thus it goes against the popular perception of the US white Anglos(reported by Abagond) that “Muslims are not white”.
on Thu Apr 17th 2014 at 17:24:55 abagond
@ Eco: Comment deleted for making personal remarks.
More: I deleted your comments about Bulanik’s Polish friends. You are dragging in her private life to smear her. Not cool. I know you think they are imaginary, but you have no way to prove it, at least not on an English-only forum like this one. You will just have to let it go.
on Thu Apr 17th 2014 at 18:08:04 Sharina
gatobranco1,
Well then the obvious question is are all Muslims of North Africa? If they are not then can you reasonable continue to conclude them as white? Also can white according to USA standards be considered white according to them?
on Thu Apr 17th 2014 at 20:12:12 Bulanik
The commonly-understood concepts Asia and its geography have been discussed a few times on this blog, but I feel there’s a bit more to it in the light of reading the recent exchanges about belonging and ethnicity.
Pay it Forward is correct: it IS generally true that in the UK (not for Ireland, though), the term Asian is understood to refer to South Asians.
If someone is of Chinese or Burmese descent, for example, then it’s their particular nationality that will be the identifier instead of the supposedly generic designation “Asian”.
(Perhaps one reason “Asian” became exclusively associated with East Asians was because it was another, more polite way, of saying Mongoloid, the way “Caucasian” became a polite way of saying White…?)
However, it is also my experience that East Asians and Southeast Asians are ALSO encompassed by the term “Asian” in normal conversations.
It is acceptable to call ALL Asians “Asians”, and no one bats an eyelid:
I used to notice this in conversations between and among different Asian ethnicities in England and Scotland.
Therefore, this wouldn’t be an issue of “snubbing”, or exclusion, at all: both East and South Asians see each other as equally and absolutely Asian!
In the UK at least.
Any awkwardness or misunderstanding only seems to arise among Irish, continental Europeans, Americans and Australians who — and I generalise sweepingly now — appear to refuse to see South Asians as Asian.
“No”, they will say, “Indians aren’t Asians.”
These same individuals will say South Asians are Arabs or Middle Easterners.
I have also seen and heard East Asians (US and Australia) say that South Asians cannot have the Asian “racial” designation and be called Asians because that term belongs to them.
So, at best — at best — the term “Asian” is inconsistent.
There is no pan-Asian identity.
Personally, I don’t think “Asian” it is a good identifier for Indians, Sri Lankans, Indians, etc. Sure, they are certainly Asian, like Koreans are Asian, but “Asian” is far, far too general, and far, far too unqualified whether it’s applied to Sri Lankans just as much as it is to Koreans.
Ethnicity always develops differently in each country, and this causes international comparisons to be excluding and confusing, uselessly so.
I believe more accurate and specific descriptions would be much more useful for the naming of different Asian peoples.
on Thu Apr 17th 2014 at 21:01:56 Linda
Gatobranco1, just because the USA census “says so” — does not make it so.
Since Islam is a religion, then that means it encompasses people of different “races” and Ethnicities — just like Christianity
Even the term “Arab” does not mean “White”…. because many people called “Arabs” in north Africa are mixed-race or can be classified as “black”
I think because “race” is political and a social construct developed by white Europeans/American in order to perpetuate their own Agenda’s–
we are all now stuck with shoes that sometimes don’t fit.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/09/07/egyptian-immigrant-wants-to-be-reclassified-as-black/
Mostafa Hefny feels he’s been black his whole life. The U.S. government doesn’t agree.
when Mostafa Hefny immigrated to the United States from Egypt in 1978, he didn’t get a say in that decision.
“The US government [interviewer] said, ‘You are now white,”
White” is defined as “a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa” — which is why the U.S. government classifies Hefny as such.
However, the designation for “Black or African American” applies to “a person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa.” According to CBS, Hefny says that he is descended from the Nubians, the ancient group of Egyptians from the northern part of Sudan and southern part of Egypt.
Since the 1980s, CBS reports, Henfy has been fighting to have the U.S. government reclassify him as black, which is how he’s always seen himself.”
believe it or not, not every “Arab” north African denies their black African mixed ancestry.
just because the USA census “says so” — does not make it so.
A census has uses, but it’s only a tool, not Definitive and Exhaustive Truth…just an enumeration method grounded in arbitrary and socially constructed principles, and one that must be ever-open to improvement.
on Fri Apr 18th 2014 at 04:53:57 gatobranco1
What is indeed strange for me, is that a goverment oficial imposed on Mustafa Hefny a racial label of his own picking instead allowing M. Hefny to autodefine himself. The important point is here is not whether the official classified M. Hefny “correctly” and “incorrectly”, but the mere fact the the official was so arrogant as to better know the racial affiliation of the person than the person himself.
As far I understand from the now existing census rules, in our days, had M. Hefny autodefined as “Arab”, or “Egyptian” he would still be finally classified as “white” but he would also be free to autodefine as “black” if he wished so.
Since it happened in 1979, maybe it was a hangover from old racist times before the Civil Rights Movement when it was usual to establish person’s “race” against his own expressed will and the race was considered as something “objective”, “physical” rather than “social” or “identitary”. I have also heard stories how immigrant people from Europe were forced by officials to identify as “Caucasians” which of course had no sense for them.
I just wanted to ask – whether such forced identification of person’s race still happens today in States?
The US census currently also recognizes people from Indian subcontinent as Asian
A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian Subcontinent, including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam.
So that in the census, the label “Asian” includes Indian Subcontinent, the Confucian countries, the Indo-Buddhist countries(as Sri Lanka, Thailand, Myanmar, Cambodia) and Austronesian countries(Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines). It is not clear whether it also includes Mongolia or Central Asian countries as Kazakstan or Russian Siberia, but since persons now are allowed no to autodefine, so probably persons from these countries could autodefine as Asians.
In “geographical Asia” there are several cultural areas with different cultural identity, certainly there is no pan-Asian identity.
If one take “geographical Asia” one can distinguished numerous regional cultural (rather than “racial”) identities:
– Arab Muslim(Syria, Lebanon, Irac, Saudo Arabia, Yemen, Golf States)
– Arab Christian(Lebanon, Syria, including also Egytian Copts, but these not in geographical Asia)
– Israeli Jew(Israel)
– Turkic Muslim (Turkey, Rep. of Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhastan, Kirgizstan)
– Iranic Muslim(Iran, Tajikistan, Afghanistan)
– Caucasian Muslim(Circassian, Chechen, Daghestani)
– Caucasian Christian(Armenian, Georgian)
– Indo-Pakistani Muslim(Pakistan, India, Bangladesh)
– Hindu(India, Nepal)
– Indo-Buddhist/Theravadin (Sri Lanka, Thailand, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia)
– Tibetan Mahayanic Buddhist (Tibet, Mongolia, Buryatia, Kalmykia)
– Russian Slav Orthodox(Siberia)
– Confucian(China, Korea, Vietnam, Japan)
– Muslim Austronesians( Malaysia, Indonesia)
– Catholic Austronesians (Philippines)
There are, of course smaller ethnical groups in many countries who not fit in any of these categories
Although much of what I have wrote seems like religious labels, it is much more cultural than merely religious:
-first, religion strongly affects culture, much more than presumed or imagined “race”;
-secondly Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism is not merely a system of belief, but an integral philosophy establishing a way of life, while Confucianism is not a religion but rather an ethical and philosophical teaching
-thirdly even those persons who are not deeply religious or even not religious at all, the most often they belong to the cultural area they were born, e.g. an atheist born in a Muslim or Hindu country still will be mostly Muslim or Hindu in culture; Many Koreans are Christians yet mostly Confucians in culture.
Concerning the question whether some North Africans are aware of their black ancestry.
In Egypt, it may be true. There are much tensions in Egypt between Upper Egyptians(Saeedi, Nubian) and the more affluent people of the Nile Delta. The former are often stereotypized and marginalized by the latter. Upper Egyptians have darker color of skin, they are poorer, they often do low-paid jobs when they live in Cairo, they have a dialect of Arabic different from the Standard Cairene variety, and different social customs.
On the contrary, Cairo and the Nile Delta always were more affluent, the center of political power and received the most of the migrations of “white” peoples(greeks, romans, arabs, circassians, ottoman turks).
Thus is quite possible that South Egyptians may feel discriminated and this can make them aware of their African roots. It is less likely that Cairo and Delta Egyptians would be mindful of their African heritage, although this is not excluded. The president Gamal Abdel Nasser, for example wanted to become a strong leader not only in the Arabic world, but in the black Africa as well. Did he use any cultural or racial arguments besides purely political? I do not know. Maybe some other knows?
As for Maghrib countries, there are strong ethnical tensions between Maghribi Arabs and Imazighen(Berbers), But as far as I know, Imazighen, who are pre-Arab population there, are not black. Moroccans and Algerians do have, however, admixture of African blood due to the importation of black slaves and contacts with Africa. But I do not know how much they are aware of that.
Much of the elite of these countries are by orgin either Arabs, either (especially in Algeria, Tunis and Libya) descendants of Ottoman janissaries or corsary capitans(Turks or European slaves or refugees by origin). Maghrib countries and their elites also had strong influx of Andalusian Arabs(deported by Spanish from Spain). The latter were mostly arabised Spaniards.
“gatobranco1
Gatobranco1, you are quoting alot of westernized versions of “African” history
so I will ask you a question, “was Mansa Musa or Askia Muhammad ” imported black slaves?
you do realize that black Africans lived on the Entire continent of Africa and they did not have to be “imported” as slaves to North Africa in order to “add” to the mixture.
and that the Imazighen(Berbers) are not 1 solitary tribe but they are composed of many different Ethnic tribes based on region.. ie Djerba, Mozabites, Siwa, Riffian (the blonds that every likes to boast about but they do not represent the majority of Berbers), Tauregs, etc
the “Arab” slave trade was not the initial way or the only way that black Africans arrived in North Africa.
http://nilevalleypeoples.blogspot.com/2010/05/blog-post_5025.html
Ancient Local Evolution of African mtDNA Haplogroups in Tunisian Berber Populations
“Until recently, some papers suggested that the distribution of the main L haplogroups in North Africa was mainly due to trans-Saharan slave trade.
However in September 2010, a thorough study about Berber mtDNA by Frigi et al. concluded that most of L haplogroups were much older and introduced by an ancient African gene flow around 20,000 years ago.
( haplogroup L is an indigenous black African gene)
The sub-Saharan contribution to northern Africa, starting from the east would have taken place before the Neolithic. The western African contribution to North Africa should have occurred before the Sahara’s formation (15,000 years BP).”
Meaning, black people were already in North Africa before the Maghrebs (Arabs) or Turks arrived.
This is why I mentioned to Abagond that an “Africa” tab is needed — a lot of misconceptions
Certainly contacts started much before than Muslim slave trade.
Imazighen as it is known belongs to the Afroasiatic family of languages, and 5 from 6 of its branches(Chadic, Imazighen, Kushitic, Omotic, Ancient Egyptian) were always located in Africa. Semitic was intially located in Western Asia, semites came to North Africa and Ethiopia later.
With 5 branches of 6 being in Africa, it is inconceivable that the original homeland of the Afro-Asiatic was somewhere else as in Africa. Probably it was somewhere at the lake Chad or in Sudan, and the initial pra-Afro-Aasiatic were with all probability black.
Having migrated from their homeland, they moved north and there subjected to their rule probably some white(?) populations in Maghrib and Egypt. Through the passage of time the black elite in in the North Africa probabably became “whitened” through the intermarriage with white slave girls. I have read somewhere that Egyptian frescos depict Pharaons like black men, and their wives and concubines as white, I do not know if it is true, but it is highly probable.
Probably that the ancestors of Ancient Egyptians or at least their elite came somewhere from Nubia/Sudan since Ancient Nubian cultures display many similarities with Egypt(as building of pyramides).
Another group proceded from Africa to Western Asia where the gave beginning to the Semitic language group.
Later, contacts with the subsaharan Africa never interrupted, despite the desertification of Sahara, so that in all epochs – Carthaginese, Roman. Vandalic, Byzantine, Arab – North Africans traded with the black Africa, not only in slaves of course and the human contacts certainly were not reduced to slave trade alone.
on Fri Apr 18th 2014 at 15:16:33 Bulanik
@ Linda, from your first link:
Our results reveal that Berber speakers have a foundational biogeographic root in Africa and that deep African lineages have continued to evolve in supra-Saharan Africa.
Excellent stuff! Thank you for both those links.
The standard story always shows blacks as “slaves” and being moved about, or “freighted” like cattle “introduced” into the bloodline. It’s almost portrayed like it’s the Natural Order, or something eternal and universal!
At best, this leads to a poor understanding…
This story of African gene flow is narrow. If that is not bad enough, it’s also told the wrong way round. 😀
Recent research is showing that the direction is properly trans-Saharan, into Southern Europea and also the Levant (or what used to be known as the Levant, or the Eastern Mediterranean).
As a cultural staple, this idea has been quite self-serving.
On the “How white was ancient Greece” thread, it’s pretty apparent how much the idea of a White World has penetrated the way we are all supposed to “see” many West Eurasians, for example and especially the Greeks, through the White Lens:
…The British are invested in the Classics, it is the organizing principle of their white, European intellectual identity. The signature of their civilization, the cornerstone of their education.
The Classics is at the root and “the learned vocabulary of international application.”
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/03/28/how-white-was-ancient-greece/#comment-193933. Also:
“…similar to the idea that Arabs were a white people who “became” darker by adulteration of their bloodlines. For Greeks, it implies that more Turks moved into Greek lands than the other way round, and that the Greeks themselves started out as uniformly Nordic, blond and blue eyed!
None of this was ever so.
When did the Greeks cease being a people of the Levant?
When did they achieve European-ness and their historic ties with Eastern world get wiped?
The effect though, is clear, because it has white-washed the Ancient Greeks and allowed the West to appropriate this history and culture as its own: from Neoclassiscism in architecture, to literature, the visual arts, theatre, to music…”
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/03/28/how-white-was-ancient-greece/#comment-193990
on Fri Apr 18th 2014 at 16:10:04 Da Jokah
There’s no need to “white wash” greeks, berbers or anyone else. This graph is based on data from from The History and Geography of Human Genes by Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi and Piazza. One interesting thing you’ll notice is that there are four major races, not three, and that northeastern Asians are as close to Caucasians as to southeast Asians. There’s a tendency to lump all Asians together, but they are genetically very different.
Jokah, you supply a graphy and tell me: “…there are four major races, not three, and that northeastern Asians are as close to Caucasians as to southeast Asians. There’s a tendency to lump all Asians together, but they are genetically very different.”
Your graph has nice, primary colours, but where does it say any of that..?
on Fri Apr 18th 2014 at 18:01:30 v8driver
@bulanik, pretty sure the BBC news makes the “Indian subcontinent” and environs into “South Asia,” I guess that kind of covers Pakistan and Afghanistan too.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world/asia/
…down the bottom of the page…
@ v8, the BBC do that. What about in the US, Australia, etc?
bulanik “Your graph has nice, primary colours, but where does it say any of that..?
You’re the kind of person who would look at a photograph of a blue sky and say. “That’s a pretty picture of a blue sky. But where does it say the sky is blue?”
You’re the kind of person who’d answer the question “why is the sky blue?” by showing a blank piece of paper to all and saying:
“Here is my proof on here”.
(Better to give us more and far, far better information to prove your devastating argument, Jokah…)
on Sat Apr 19th 2014 at 00:25:55 v8driver
Drivers License, etc. will just have height, weight, hair color, eye color,
on each job application,”Equal Opportunity” regulations state the federal government is required to try and collect stats on job applicants…
“3. Ethnicity (Check One):
Hispanic or Latino –a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or
other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.
Not Hispanic or Latino
“4. Race (Check all that apply):
American Indian or Alaska Native –a person having origins in any of the original
peoples of North or South America (including Central America), and who maintains
tribal affiliation or community attachment.
Asian –a person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent, including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, or Vietnam.
Black or African American –a person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa.
Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander –a person having origins in any of the
original peoples of Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, or other Pacific islands.
White –a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa”
Click to access Optional%20OMB_3046-0046.pdf
@DJ in all fairness, those graphs make no sense without some type of key or legend
on Sat Apr 19th 2014 at 03:21:24 Da Jokah
The graph shows the Fst distance between selected populations. Where Fst is the proportion of the total genetic variance contained in a subpopulation (the S subscript) relative to the total genetic variance (the T subscript). Values can range from 0 to 1. High Fst implies a considerable degree of differentiation among populations. As a reference, the horizontal Fst from Japanese to English is 0,1244, And the vertical Fst between Eskimo and West African is 0,2693. But, honestly, a numerical reference isn’t necessary to see relative relatedness. You can just look at it.
@dj that ish makes my eyes bleed, i feel like i’m back in ap bio class, not for me thanks
Yep. Sorry. 😦
on Sun Apr 20th 2014 at 11:44:30 Sylheti
Hi Abagond,
Thanks for the map. Very useful. There is so much I could say so I’ll say it in stages.
White European Muslims such as Bosnians and Albanians will be considered white by most Europeans, but not by right-wing extremists who consider them “traitors” for following a non Judaeo-Christian faith. Of course Judaeo-Christianity itself originated from the middle east and Christ (pbuh) was a middle-easterner, that of course is ignored or not registered by the right-wing Stormfront types (Albanians and Bosnians are not allowed to have their own stormfront sub-forums as they are not “white”).
However would the average Bosnian or Albanian Muslim (Albania is 40% officially non-Muslim anway i.e. Orthodox/Catholic etc) be subject to the mistreatment that non-whites are exposed to e.g. discrimination in the work place, “Micro-aggressions” (to use your excellent phrase) that non-whites such as blacks and Asians are exposed to. No.
A large part of American and European white racism is based on how comfortable they feel with the white/non-white in question and a lot of that is how visibly different you are, do you stand out as an eyesore. Bosnians and Albanians do not.
In their general social lives unless they practise Orthodox Islam staunchly Bosnians and Albanians will not have major problems and enjoy white privilege the only exceptions will be far-right groups and also on a geo-political level the “problematic” issue of them being Muslim societies to US policymakers.
This is my first comment and I hope I haven’t been too longwinded and maybe I can share some other observations later on.
I myself am Bangladeshi from the Sylhet province (hence my nick) raised in the UK.
Once again an excellent map which can be utilized by others on the internet for reference purposes.
on Sun Apr 20th 2014 at 18:59:56 Guadalupe Victoria
Argentina never had black inhabitants but recently there was an immigration of Africans and Haitians
@ Guadalupe Victoria
Is “never” what you were taught in school, or are you only guessing that ALL the black people you have seen are “recent” immigrants?
I am wondering how come you have never heard of Afro-, Mulato or Zambo Argentines. There is quite a lot of information that you can find online that shows your “never” claim is ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE.
According to historical accounts, Africans first arrived in Argentina in the late 16th century in the region now called the Rio de la Plata, which includes Buenos Aires, primarily to work in agriculture and as domestic servants. By the late 18th century and early 19th century, black Africans were numerous in parts of Argentina, accounting for up to half the population in some provinces, including Santiago del Estero, Catamarca, Salta and Córdoba.
In Buenos Aires, neighborhoods like Monserrat and San Telmo housed many black slaves, some of whom were engaged in craft-making for their masters. Indeed, blacks accounted for an estimated one-third of the city’s population, according to surveys taken in the early 1800s.
San Telmo still has a visible Afro-Argentine population, apparently, along with Merlo and Ciudad Evita cities…Do you believe that the black (or possibly black) people in these places are ALL Haitians and or African immigrants?
Historians generally attribute two major factors to this sudden “mass disappearance” of black Africans from the country – the deadly war against Paraguay from 1865-1870 (in which thousands of blacks fought on the frontlines for the Argentine military) as well as various other wars; and the onset of yellow fever in Buenos Aires in 1871.
The heavy casualties suffered by black Argentines in military combat created a huge gender gap among the African population – a circumstance that appears to have led black women to mate with whites, further diluting the black population. Many other black Argentines fled to neighboring Brazil and Uruguay, which were viewed as somewhat more hospitable to them.
Some commentators say that this was a deliberate policy to create a South American country without blacks in it:
<blockquote…the president of Argentina from 1868 to 1874, Domingo Faustino Sarmiento, sought to wipe out blacks from the country in a policy of covert genocide through extremely repressive policies (including possibly the forced recruitment of Africans into the army and by forcing blacks to remain in neighborhoods where disease would decimate them in the absence of adequate health care).
http://www.ibtimes.com/blackout-how-argentina-eliminated-africans-its-history-conscience-1289381
By 1895, there were reportedly so few blacks left in Argentina that the government did not even bother registering African-descended people in the national census. What does that tell you?
And, where did you think Tango came from?
Answer: The blacks of your country, it seems…
http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/the-blackness-of-tango/Content?oid=1197334
well i know that in Argentina were mulatos the same as in Uruguay, but they have disappeared long time ago, unlike in Uruguay where you can see many descents from black slaves, what I was just saying is that since many many years ago this is a country of european immigrants, mostly from Italy and Spain, i remember when this new african people started to came and for us it was quite unusual to see black people in the streets,,
@ Guadalupe
But that is NOT what you said. What you said was there were never any.
As though Argentina is a totally white country and always was.
And, what do you think mulattoes are? The black parent is black.
If you wish to find out more, you will find that at one time your country’s population was about 50% black.
I understand that this you believe what you have been taught to believe and see what you want to see, but may I suggest that there more to it than that?
Black Argentina:
http://kwekudee-tripdownmemorylane.blogspot.ie/2012/10/african-descendants-in-argentina-afro.html
An extract from it says:
“The demographic decline of the Afro-Argentines has variously been attributed to miscegenation, disease and warfare … [and] reclassification of black people as white or mestizo…
Indeed, reclassification has its origins in the early eighteenth century, when the Spanish monarchy instituted a system whereby a subject could purchase certificates of legal ‘‘whiteness’’ called gracias al sacar. … death had less to do with the perceived disappearance of Afro-Argentines than such reclassification, frequently as ‘‘triguen˜os,’’ and cultural prejudices.
These contributed to downplaying the contribution of black people to porten˜o culture and overlooking the patriotism and high level of integration of some black porten˜os..”
Here is a bit more about the Afro-Argentinian artform, Tango:
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vRF_hGR_yU)
There are so many articles that you could fill in the gaps about Afro Argentina.
Take this one — it starts off like this:
The most “European” country of Latin America hides its African origin. Today, 200 years after its founding, it faces the problem of the integration of the excluded and the revision of a monolithic and European discourse.
That one paragraph sums up the racial propaganda, doesn’t it?
Here’s the full article about Argentina’s “bleaching policy”:
http://www.guinguinbali.com/index.php?lang=en&mod=news&task=view_news&cat=10&id=607
According to Miriam Gomes, a professor of literature at the University of Buenos Aires, says historians are somewhat to blame for the stereotypes that are so widespread. She says:
“Argentina’s history books have been partly responsible for misinformation regarding Africans in Argentine society, Argentines say there are no blacks here. If you’re looking for traditional African people with very black skin, you won’t find it. African people in Argentina are of mixed heritage.”
And, are you familiar with the “Soy afroargentino/a” (“I am Afro-Argentina/o) campaign from a while back?
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD6bjXALw-g)
ok you can go to the documents all u like, but the fact is that in Argentina nowadays there s no black people except for the new immigrants
I understand how shocking this must be for you.
But no matter how indoctrinated you are, and no matter how much denial you live in, this will not change facts about Argentina nowadays like over 5% of Argentines state they have at least 1 black ancestor, and a further 20% state they do not know whether or not they have any black ancestors….
No matter what fantasy you hold dear, it will not change the African genetic contribution carried by at least 10% of the Argentinian population.
Your scientists have found this. Not me.
2 Guadalupe Victoria
It seems impossible that you can know what’s going on in the entire country of Argentina just by looking around, and by recalling your own personal experience.
Argentina may be the most White country in South American, but that does not mean that there was ever a time when NO Blacks were living there. At some point, we all have to rely on the history books (since we can’t be in all places at all times) and those seem to indicate the there were always some Blacks around.
It’s a possibility that Guadalupe Victoria’s perceptions are a natural outcome of long-standing policies which’ve promote her nation as “homogeneously” white.
Perhaps the general population does not see diversity.
Perhaps there is not much sensitivity to it.
Xenophobia among the general population is quite pronounced, if the Argentinian federal government research about that is anything to go by.
It seems that Peruvians and Paraguayans, and Bolivians in particular, are singled out for discrimination in that country.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/890199-discriminan-por-tener-sobrepeso-y-ser-extranjero
bulanik u r right, this is a racist country, can t deny it, here all latin american countries are seen as inferiror u r right, im not proud of that but is reality
on Mon Apr 21st 2014 at 00:01:28 King
It is something that we have long understood, that the tendrils of White supremacy wrap themselves all around the world. Your country is but one example. But at least you know and admit the truth. Many here in the U.S. tout the idea that racism towards non-whites (particularly Blacks) around the world is a confirmation of White Supremacy rather than a direct result of its worldwide indoctrination.
on Mon Apr 21st 2014 at 00:08:48 Guadalupe Victoria
we descent primarily from Italians and many fascists came here, we also had a great number of German nazi refugees, we are the second country in the world (after USA) with larger jewish population, so it s not to be surprised of the idiosyncracy of Argentinian people
Indeed, the Fascists and the Jews must have quite a time getting along in the New World!
on Mon Apr 21st 2014 at 00:46:13 Linda
I think what Guadalupe calls “black” is people who almost literally have “black” skin or are dark brown, to them, that is what “African” represents.
You have to remember, trigueno, mixed, mulatto, etc.. are sometimes not seen as “black” in certain South American countries — reverse one drop rule, mixes that African away.
so her perception of “black” is different than countries like the US or UK’s perception of black.
As you are aware, even in the Caribbean, ambiguous “black” people or known mixed-race history turns their identity to “brown”
I know that perception of my identity changed depending on the country –I’ve been called Samoan, Indian, Puerto Rican, etc — I think there are a few other posters who also underwent this identity change once they left the US to go elsewhere.
@linda u made me laugh! when I say that Argentina is white is because we descent from Europeans, when u talk about mulatos and all that stuff is people from the rest of Latin America, hardly in Argentina u find those peoples, they exist here but is an insignificant pecentage, my perception of “black” is exactly the same as people from UK, and for black we understand all those u mentioned ( trigueño, mixed, mulatos, etc), regards
on Mon Apr 21st 2014 at 01:33:06 jefe
Seems like the history books in Argentina have been white-washed too.
seems like u dont know anything about my country and dare to talk having no idea
@linda u made me laugh! when I say that Argentina is white is because we descent from Europeans, when u talk about mulatos and all that stuff is people from the rest of Latin America”
Then why would you be confused about the fact that there are “black” Argentinians that are not recent African immigrants– if you see trigueno and mixed race as “black”?
That means you saw “black” people in Argentina before the arrival of recent black African immigrants. I know “black” Argentines are a smaller percentage than the European immigrant descendants in Argentina but they were still there — how did you manage to miss them?
dear , 97 % of Argentinians descent from European immigrants,Period
Thus, most Argentines are descendants of the 19th and 20th century immigrants, with about 97% of the population being of European, or of partial European descent.[3][4] Arab descent is also significant (mostly of Syrian and Lebanese origin), and the Jewish population is the biggest in all Latin America (7th in the world). Mestizo population in Argentina, unlike in other Latin American countries, is very low, as is the Black population after being decimated by diseases and wars in the 19th century, though since the 1990s a new wave of Black immigration is arriving.
Guadalupe,
Thank you for reciting Wikipedia’s information for me, Dear… but I can read and use Google just as well as you.
I wanted YOUR opinion –words from YOUR standpoint as an Argentinean, who I assume still lives there, about why you seem to not know the difference between your fellow so called “black” Argentinean countrymen versus the African immigrants….
you did make the statement that there were “Never” any black people in Argentina, and as a Latina, I know that is not true.. how come you did not?
i expressed my opinion many times here, its noticeable your ignorance, and if u checked wikipedia whats the point in discussing something that everybody knows except u,?
kiwi Chile is full of indigenous people and Urugauy has a lot of black and mestizos, Argentina is the only country almost totally European in Latin America, dont be so confused please!
Guadalupe, I’m trying to be nice to you but you’re trying my patience b
Express an opinion about what? the fact that your ignorant a’s didn’t know that there were black people in Argentina before Africans and Haitians arrived
I asked you a specific question: “why were you unaware of the fact that there were ALREADY black people in Argentina, since you considered people who were mulata or triguena to be “black”?
I would ask it in Spanish, so you have no excuse as to why you won’t answer a simple question, but the blog owner doesn’t want people to make comments in other languages.
on Mon Apr 21st 2014 at 02:51:20 Sharina
“dear , 97 % of Argentinians descent from European immigrants,Period.”—-tsk tsk tsk. Why is the sudden rush of people quoting sources and not really reading it. Sorry Guadalupe, but according to your source it is not period as your source continues on to say partial European decent.
Well there will certainly be a lot of deleting going on in this thread when Abagond gets back!
Wow did we really have to go there?
No one is exempt from comments going into moderation, so basically you are going off on a paranoid rant. Also it is you who provided a source, did not fully read it past what supported you, and opened yourself for me to point it out. Don’t be mad. Just do better.
That depends on what you are considering an insult. If by her questioning you or by you calling her ignorant? In either case I can provide the links to where it began for you to review and determine where it went sour, but I prefer you do that yourself. At any rate I am out.
Before I go. If an opinion makes you turn into that kind of monster then you need jesus or a d*MN exorcism. None of which I can help you with.
Agreed. There was simply no excuse in the world for what guadalupe said. Even that weak one about being from a racist country.
King, I expect Agagond will delete these, that’s why I intend to have fun while it lasts….
Poor Abagond will need his dustbin and broom.
*By the way Abagond, when you make do your inevitable clean sweep though here, feel free to delete my comments within the “void of Spanish insults” also. Otherwise they will not make sense anyway.
on Mon Apr 21st 2014 at 08:06:55 sami parkkonen
Well, once upon a time even finns were not white enough for USA. Heres a bit from Wikipedia:
“The earliest Finnish immigrants, colonialists who were Swedes in the legal sense and perhaps spoke Swedish, and settled in the Swedish colony, were supposed to have assimilated into the British culture quickly.[12] More recent Finns were on several occasions “racially” discriminated[13] and not seen as white, but “Asian”. The reasons for this were the arguments and theories about the Finns originally being of Mongolian instead of “native” European origin due to the Finnish language belonging to the Uralic and not the Indo-European language family.[14]
On January 4, 1908, a trial was held in Minnesota about whether John Svan and several other Finnish immigrants would become naturalized United States citizens or not, as the process only was for “whites” and “blacks” in general, and district prosecutor John Sweet was of the opinion that Finnish immigrants were Mongols. The judge, William A. Cant, later concluded that the Finnish people may have been Mongolian from the beginning, but that the climate they lived in for a long time, and historical Finnish immigration and assimilation of Germanic tribes (Teutons)—which he considered modern “pure Finns” indistinguishable from—had made the Finnish population one of the whitest (fairest) people in Europe. If the Finns had Mongol ancestry, it was distant and diluted. John Svan and the others were made naturalized US citizens, and from that day on, the law forbid treating Finnish immigrants and Americans of Finnish descent as not white.[15][16]
In the beginning of the 20th century, there was a lot resentment from the local American population towards the Finnish settlers because they were seen as having very different customs, and were slow in learning English. Another reason was that many of them had come from the “red” side of Finland, and thus held socialist political views.”
on Mon Apr 21st 2014 at 09:37:30 v8driver
unfortunately, ms guadalupe, doesn’t get it, in the usa most white people would consider her, per federal guidelines of course, racially defined ‘hispanic’, and of late, ethnicity could be ticked off ‘white’ — i am not sure on the history of that particular development of the byzantine categorization process; however, ya latina, that makes it even more twisted, her little rant here, that’s the kind of thing gets your teeth knocked out talking like that in public, but we’re all safe behind our computer screens right?
on Mon Apr 21st 2014 at 10:27:32 abagond
I deleted every comment by Linda and Guadalupe Victoria from 2:20 onwards and some of Sharina’s too, for use of insulting language and comments not in English. See Kiwi’s comments to get an idea of what went on as it relates to the topic of the post.
on Mon Apr 21st 2014 at 10:41:17 Bulanik
Kiwi said, in reference to Guadalupe’s comments to Linda:
But even then, there would still be no reason to call her “perra”, “negra sucia y rastrera”, “ugly nigg´r”, or “negrita”.
You made your views towards blacks crystal clear when you stated, “if i were black i d killed myself”.
Gracious me. I never thought it would go there after I turned off my laptop…
on Mon Apr 21st 2014 at 10:59:10 Kwamla
Ahh… You’ve taken out all the interesting bits! Now where is the fun in that Abagond? I agree with Kiwi. I’d be interested to know the dirty racial insults a typical white Argentina might feel threatened to use…before it goes in the bin of course!
Agree with you there, Mr Kwamla. 😀
Yes, I understand what you mean! 😀
I saw some of this from my Ecuadorian and Colombian foster children in England. Also, because I have family in Florida, I came to hear and see the Hispanic culture there (mostly Cubano of course) in shops, the hairdressers, restaurants, malls… the latinidad.
I quickly got used to their truly ghastly “racial lens”, and got a sense of their blind-spots, the inferiority around white people, desperateness to be white combined with a violent (self)hatred of African blackness and indigenous-Americana. And then because one of the foster children was part-Chinese, that opened up another dimension…
I’d watch sometimes as the Colombianos they socialized with (Calenos at that, from the Caribbean coast!) would spout out that they were “Italian” if someone white asked them what they were. Oh, funny, funny!
Who did they think they were fooling!
Because, the same white people they told would later say to me: “But those people look definitely bit mixed race and Aztec-y..”
Yes, Aztech-y. Haha.
Even the Argentinians we knew didn’t look like “standard white” all the time/ They looked like a hodge-podge of different Europeans, and I would sometimes hear a “dark” Latina say to an Argentinian:
“Too blonde, you are tooooo dark for so much blonde, it looks funny…”
Answer: “My grandmother was German! I can be extra-blonde if I like!”
Linda, when I say “Caribbean coast”, the individuals I am speaking of were all descended, or partly descended, from families originally from the north of the country.
I know someone who worked and travelled in Latin America a lot, and she asked some local friends in Argentina why countries like Chile, Argentina, and Uruguay tended to be more economically prosperous than neighboring countries like Bolivia, Paraguay, and Peru. They responded along the lines of, “Oh, well that’s easy. We don’t have any indigenous people!”
Hmm, that sounds about right. You will hear this, too:
“Argentina doesn’t have a racism problem, because we don’t have any indigenous or blacks.”
I’m surprised about Argentinians believing that Chile does not lots of indigenous people. But…then again, I am not sure if being informed is a priority among white Argentines, really.
Anyway. Most, but not all, Chileno/a I’ve met are mestizo, even the most “Spaniard-white” looking ones. There was even one apparently white-looking family I met who said they were of recent African descent, too. The mother said that blacks were a minority in Chile, but not as small or insiginificant as publicised, and they had traditionally settled in the far north of the country, at the port of Arica. The Chilean Chinese settled there as well.
(A number of Chilean students, business people, artisst, academics settled in the UK following the Allende/Pinochet political upheavals in Chile, so Chileans are fairly well-known in parts of the UK.)
Talking of “No Racism in Argentina”. South Asians from England that have been to Bueno Aires come back and say how untrue that is!
There was a brief report about a couple of years ago on UK tv.
And, the white Argentina are not that fond of East Asians in their country either, here’s a little graffiti (not too rare, it seems) telling the Chinese to get out: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_fZWs49bl0EM/Rq-sO1mBWkI/AAAAAAAAAR4/g9lQB816qao/s400/DSC01700.JPG
Taken from this blog:http://www.discoshawn.com/2007/07/there-is-no-racism-in-argentina.html
From reading some of what the South and East Asian visitors say about Argentina on that blog, Guadalupe’s responses to Linda are probably characteristic of many of her countrymen.
Your source said:
the Finnish people may have been Mongolian from the beginning, but that the climate they lived in for a long time, and historical Finnish immigration and assimilation of Germanic tribes (Teutons)—which he considered modern “pure Finns” indistinguishable from—had made the Finnish population one of the whitest (fairest) people in Europe…
When I first encountered Finns (in London) they seemed to 2 kinds: ones who were indistinguishable from the the fairest Swedes and others that I can only describe as blond and blue-eyed East Asians. I wasn’t in a hurry to call them “white people”! 😀
I see what you mean that when you said the Swedes regard (or once regardd) the Finnish people as a Mongol nation!
No wonder the old eurovision song Tsingis Khan was a big hit Finland too 😀
@Sami
Very interesting. Even more so today people seem to be knocking themselves down to claim individuals as white, even though at one time they were not.
on Mon Apr 21st 2014 at 13:49:21 Herneith
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Argentine#Africans_in_the_Formation_of_Argentina
Okay chum.
Maybe so, but there are plenty of ‘whites’ with African blood in their veins. Perhaps many are aware of this, maybe many aren’t, maybe you are one of these African descended people? In any case due to white supremacy, many descendants subsumed this part of their heritage.
Well this Guadalupe Victoria exchange has been quite instructive.
We began with the statement that there were no Black people in all of Argentina. Or at least, there had not been until very recently in then in very small numbers.
Yet, when the opportunity presented itself, Guadalupe Victoria seemed to have quite a long list of ready-made insults prepared specifically for the very people who (according to her) don’t even exist in her country! Pray tell, who does she use these names on when she’s not on Abagond? And where would she have even heard them enough to have them so readily available?
But then, she did say that a few Africans and Caribbean’s had immigrated to Argentina. But when you look at the numbers in the United states, the Africans and Caribbean self-selecting populations are among the most successful and highly-motivated groups of immigrants in the country, often even outperforming Asians (taken as a single block demographic). So why would she have such degrading names for those kind of people?
This little demonstration gives the lie to the brainless theories floated by Da Jokah and others, that racism is really only a just a reaction to Black dysfunction and pathology. You can clearly see that even in its declared absence, the racism doesn’t miss a beat. 🙂
But, don’t you know that Argentina does not have a racial problem because there are no indigenous and blacks to make one?!
Those people only CREATE racial problems for the good and fun-loving people of Argentina.
on Mon Apr 21st 2014 at 14:17:55 B. R.
“Who does she use these names on when not on Abagond?”
Guadalupe specifically mentioned Uruguayans as “black”.
unlike in Uruguay where you can see many descents from black slaves,
Sharina nobody say anything to Linda who blatantly insulted me? INCREDIBLE
I’ll say something about it; Carry on Linda!
Looks likely that the particular ideology, racist ideology, of the Argentines was put together by Domingo Faustino Sarmiento.
He was behind the deliberate extermination of the country’s black population and continuing denial of Argentina’s non-white roots.
It seems he laid it all down in his book: “Facundo: Civilization and Barbarism”, from what the Wiki article about the book explains, “it’s a blueprint for modernization, and the dichotomy between savagery and civilization was explained. It doesn’t mentioned the black population, but I believe he already had plans to wipe them out without writing about his intentions to do so.
In linking Europe with civilization, and civilization with education, Sarmiento conveyed an admiration of European culture and civilization which at the same time gave him a sense of dissatisfaction with his own culture, motivating him to drive it towards civilization..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facundo
This little demonstration gives the lie to the brainless theories floated by Da Jokah and others, that racism is really only a just a reaction to Black dysfunction and pathology. You can clearly see that even in its declared absence, the racism doesn’t miss a beat.”
Very true… because when I pressed for her to tell me her personal reasons as to “why she did not realize that black people already lived in Argentina” since she said Argentina Never had black people until recently — she became upset and Rude.
(loose translation of what Gaudalupe said to me in Spanish, right after I told her commenting in Spanish was against in blog rules)
“ because black people in Argentina were exterminated! You come from a country with dirty black and mestizo people, that’s why you care –Bye b’tch
She could have said anything like, such as “I come from a small village” or “I don’t consider triguena to be “black” — not a stretch to imagine since Argentina had a trigueno public health minister, Ramón Carilio, who looked white but he admitted his African heritage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram%C3%B3n_Carrillo
I thought she might have been serious until she started quoting Wikipedia and then became rude — she did not know anything about Argentine history (or Argentina itself) until Bulanik told her — so, as usual, we had another typical white racist troll with an agenda trying to stir up hate.
I think Abagond should have left her response to me in Spanish on the board — it truly showed who she was– and how she felt about black, Amerindian, and mestizo/ mixed-race people
Oh trust me, Hernieth, I carried on and lit a bon-fire under her….
I really wanted to do it in Spanish and Patois but then everyone would have missed the show 🙂
I thought the girl was serious and slightly confused, so I thought I was helping her out with my statement to you… whelp, so much for trying to assist, when it’s just a white racist troll on the prowl.
As for racism in Argentina, I have met many Argentine people who were proud of their “white” European lineage of course, but they don’t think Argentina is any more racist than any other white majority country.
Indeed, Argentina white-washed their history, so I would say most people are ignorant of the historical facts concerning black/African people. I’ve heard about their stereotypes and micro-agressions against dark skinned people.
The term “Cabecita negra” means little black head and this is used against people with “dark” skin and black hair ie Indios or anyone who is considered poor from working class neighborhoods.
From what I understand of the situation, in Buenos Aires, there is definitely a love-hate relationship with the people from Brazil, Paraguay, Peru, Bolivia – many people from these countries move to Buenos Aires for jobs —
so I would say, Argentines are xenophobic against foreigners and there is prejudice against “Indios” (Native Americans), mestizos and stereotypes against black people
and funny enough, they also use the term “Gringo” in a derogatory way against north Americans or English speaking white people.
The Argentine people definitely promote the myth that Argentina is a “white” country but the Indians and Black people who lived there before mass immigration in the early 1900’s had to go somewhere —
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2009/12/how-argentina-became-white/
How Argentina became white
“In contrast to Mexico, which is self-consciously a synthetically a “mestizo” nation which conceives of itself as a cultural and biological synthesis between European and native, I think it is fair to portray Argentineans as a settler society of Europeans in their self-image. As I have said before, this mythos goes a bit too far.
Since Argentina was a mixed-race society before mass immigration, as long as the roots of any given individual goes back to the period before mass immigration than it is likely that they will have some non-European ancestry.
We investigated the bio-geographic ancestry of Argentineans, and quantified their genetic admixture, analyzing 246 unrelated male individuals from eight provinces of three Argentinean regions
Argentineans carried a large fraction of European genetic heritage in their Y-chromosomal (94.1%) and autosomal (78.5%) DNA, but their mitochondrial gene pool is mostly of Native American ancestry (53.7%); instead, African heritage was small in all three genetic systems (<4%).
The median Argentinean probably has enough indigenous ancestry (Native American Indian) to qualify as a Native American tribal member in the United States by the rules of blood quantum (on the order of 20-25%).
As for the African lineages, the proportions are small, but one could envisage scenarios whereby slave women have mixed-race children, and for whatever reason their sons marry out and reproduce to a greater extent than their daughters. This would eliminate African mtDNA from the population, but maintain the total ancestral contribution"
So apparently, the native Indian and African slaves people went into the Argentinean artery and veins.
There is a huge rivalry between Argentina and Brazil, and some Argentinians dont hesitate to use racist terms at Brazilians
The indiginous mix is much more than the Afro diasporic mix in Argentina….much larger
That’s the way it worked in the America’s, Kiwi…. in south, central, and the Caribbean
The Spaniards did not bring their women to the Americas in the beginning and they had no qualms about procreating with Native Indian and African women.
Once European women started arriving, there was a shift in the paradigm of course — but countries like Argentina and Chile did not truly “whiten” up until mass immigration in the early 1900’s.
and to some extent, you will see a similar situation in north America. If you look at the genetic DNA of some African American men, their Y chromosomes will also go back to Europe… .
http://www.ebony.com/life/dr-rick-kittles-breaks-down-dna#.U1WtJM9OXcs
“We also look at the Y chromosome DNA, which is a history of the male lineage in the family. There are DNA patterns that are specific to Africans: For instance, there’s what we call a Y chromosome alu polymorphism [YAP] that is found just in West Africa, and is definitive for West African ancestry.
But the most interesting thing is, when we look at most African-American men, upwards of thirty five percent of their Y chromosomes don’t go back to Africa; but to Europe!“
that was the way of the world during colonial times
on Tue Apr 22nd 2014 at 00:22:44 Bulanik
THANK YOU for that that last link from about the genetics of Argentina.
Very revealing.
But I wonder, did it go far enough?
In making transnational comparisons, I feel that that link made the same error of RACIAL AMNESIA that seems to plague population assessments of Spanish-speaking South America by totally marginalizing and excluding the black populations, whilst rightly highlighting the contribution of indigenous ancestry in those nations.
It seems to take with one hand, and take away with the other.
For instance, this part:
“In contrast to Mexico, which is self-consciously a synthetically a “mestizo” nation which conceives of itself as a cultural and biological synthesis between European and native, I think it is fair to portray Argentineans as a settler society of Europeans in their self-image. As I have said before, this mythos goes a bit too far…”
Mexico has a known black population of 5%. So, it seems they are obviously outside the cultural and biological synthesis! although it’s well-known that Africans were:
–an essential feature of Mexicos early economic growth,
–worked in urban professions,
–developed and cultivated farmland,
–provided skilled labour in the silver mines,
–workedon cattle ranches and sugar plantations,
–created Jarocho music — made famous throug the song “La Bamba” — all AFRICAN in origin.
Plus, recent studies* have also shown African contributions to cuisine, marriage customs, medical practices, architecture, and language (the Mexican f-verb chingar coming from Angola).
And, if the white-washing trend we have observed throughout the Americas is anything to go by, that 5% of the population could be somewhat higher as many white or mestizo Mexicans do not know they are of Afro-Mexican origin, or do not say they are, leading to the trivilization and denial of African contribution to Spanish-speaking America that we are all too familiar with… (http://www.minorityrights.org/?lid=4455&tmpl=printpage)
Linda, contd.
Historian Marco Polo Hernández Cuevas sees it differently, and puts the true figure of Mexicans of African-descent at between 55%-85%. He says:
t’s estimated that over 300,000 enslaved Africans were brought to Mexico during the colonial period, producing millions of offspring. Many of the major leaguers of the Mexican liberation movement were black themselves. The last two top commanders of the movement, José María Morelos and Vicente Guerrero, as well as a significant number of other leaders and troops have now been identified as mulattoes pardos.
Even the Spanish conquistadors brought African heritage with them, as descendants of the Iberians and the Moors of northern Africa who occupied Spain during the medieval era, said Hernández. The modern Spanish language still contains over 4,000 Arabic words.
[Mexicans] are African on [their] Spanish side, and African on [their] African side…as much African… as … Amerindian or European…
The Black Virgin — a representation of Virgin Mary with dark skin common throughout Spain, France and Mexico – is one example of African cultural influences….the battle commemorated by the national holiday of Cinco de Mayo was fought by African Mexican “maroons.”
His book describes how Mexican cultural leaders have rejected this African heritage, choosing instead to “whiten” Mexican literature, film and popular culture from 1920 to 1968, a period described as the “cultural phase of the Mexican Revolution.
* http://losafrolatinos.com/2012/12/09/exploring-mexicos-african-heritage-with-dr-marco-polo-hernandez/
The article said something that got me thinking:
blockquote> As for the African lineages, the proportions are small, but one could envisage scenarios whereby slave women have mixed-race children, and for whatever reason their sons marry out and reproduce to a greater extent than their daughters. This would eliminate African mtDNA from the population, but maintain the total ancestral contribution”
Whatever reason…this I would like to know! 😀
It just goes to show that although research is at least being done, it is nowhere near complete.
What is the reason for this “Directional mating”? I don’t know if that is the right phrase for it, but it leaves me wondering what happened and how come.
Was the reason some kind of pattern of patrilocality, some unexplained migration, a bottleneck of some kind? It’s almost like the work has only started…
To go back to Uruguay (a country hardly ever, ever mentioned anywhere, lol).
In European accounts of Uruguayan society in the 1800s, a typical family structure was a frequency of Spaniish men and Indigenas with large numbers of children.
Yes, Spanish women were scarce, and European immigrants were overwhelmingly male at the start.
That sounds harmless enough, and makes sense. But, a detail is missing — what about the Indigenous men? It’s easy to skip over that.
In the case of Uruguay, the indigenous men (the Charrua) had indeed been killed off in massacres and the surviving women and children enslaved.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charr%C3%BAa_people
on Tue Apr 22nd 2014 at 01:20:03 Pay it Forward
“[…] but one could envisage scenarios whereby slave women have mixed-race children, and for whatever reason their sons marry out and reproduce to a greater extent than their daughters. This would eliminate African mtDNA from the population, but maintain the total ancestral contribution […]”
Yes, this is true as mitochondrial DNA is passed only through the mother to ALL her offspring, whereas Y-DNA is passed only from the father but to his MALE children only (daughters obviously do not have have the Y chromosome, and would have to get that type of genetic info through the DNA testing of their father, a full brother, a paternal uncle or grandfather et cetera).
If, then, men who were mixed race / Black on their maternal side were to reproduce to a greater extent than their own mixed race sisters, and if they reproduced only with white women, it is the mtDNA of those white women which will continuously be passed down in far greater numbers through consequent generations.
African genetic heritage, however, might still remain generations later in the autosomal DNA, and might be revealed through DNA testing, even in trace amounts.
For “whatever reason” in this case basically means that the reason for such an occurrence is unimportant for the purposes of said postulation / suppostion.
In the theory of the Mitochondrial Eve their is the belief that there most probably was other possible mtDNA donors, but for whatever possible reason, their mtDNA was not passed down, leaving only mtDNA Eve’s in evidence.
King said this after Guadalupe’s racist comments:
…when the opportunity presented itself, Guadalupe Victoria seemed to have quite a long list of ready-made insults prepared specifically for the very people who (according to her) don’t even exist in her country! Pray tell, who does she use these names on when she’s not on Abagond? And where would she have even heard them enough to have them so readily available?
And you made this observation:
You’re right about the “love-hate” thing, but Guadalupe was nation-specific about Uruguay. Could it be more than economics? After all the population of Uruguay is small and mostly white. A small country, with a small black population. But for all its smallness, it might be particularly irritating for a reason. Like Argentina, Uruguay is not conventionally thought of as part of the African diaspora, in fact, it’s rarely, if ever, mentioned at all, and ignored.
Back in 1925, the year Uruguay celebrated 100 years of becoming a Republic, El Libro del Centenario del Uruguay went so far as to explicitly deny cultural influence from any group outside of Europe, apparently:
“Uruguay is populated by the white race, totally of European origin.”
That sounds just like something an Argentinian would say…
The 2 countries share a fair bit in common, originally both being part of the Viceroy of Rio de la Plata, with Bueno Aires as the capital city and Uruguay, a province. They share linguistic, cultural and economic ties, not just similar European heritage.
But there are important differences that have struck me after I heard a talk by George Reid Andrews on the national culture of Uruguay>>
Linda, contd:
According to him, at one time :
Afro-Uruguayans created the most active (on a per capita basis) black press anywhere in Latin America. Between 1870 and 1950 black journalists and intellectuals published at least 25 newspapers and magazines in Montevideo and other cities. This compares to between 40 and 50 black-oriented periodicals during the same period in Brazil, where the black population is today some 400 times larger than Uruguay’s; and 14 in Cuba (black population twenty times larger than Uruguay’s).
Unlike Argentina, the Uruguayan black population seems to have somehow made its mark on mainstream society one way or another, despite ingrained and widespread anti-black racism in Uruguay. Even under these conditions, the black population were far more literate than their counterparts in Latin America. Who knows, but could they have been comparatively more literate than many white Argentines in comparative social strata at that time?
I don’t whether it’s possible that this makes Afro-Uruguayans appear “uppity” in the eyes of white Argentina.
There is also another difference between Argentina and Uruguay.
George Reid Andrews also says the culture of Afro-Uruguayans has been embraced, body and soul, by the white majority, to the point where “white people get to be black”. Then, as now, they get to immerse themselves in Candombe and Tango, take great pleasure in dressing up and acting out beloved stereotypes about black people’s “nature”, such as natural rhythm, supposed hypersexuality, connection to magic…and, even wear blackface.
It’s so much a part of white Uruguayan national consciousness, he says, that “the white influx into comparsas is now pushing down wages for black drummers”. (comparsa=musical band).
I wonder whether Argentina’s whites long for the privilege of expressing and defining themselves so openly using black artforms?
The author does report that Afro-Uruguayans aren’t best pleased with their racial caricaturisation or what seems like a white obsession with African dance and music as a national expression. It has nothing to undo racial inequality.
However, I can only speculate on how the 2 countries could regard one another.
(From: “Blackness in the White Nation: A History of Afro-Uruguay”)
(http://www.amazon.com/Blackness-White-Nation-History-Afro-Uruguay-ebook/dp/B0042X9O8K/ref=la_B001IODP9K_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1398132806&sr=1-2)
on Tue Apr 22nd 2014 at 05:44:56 gatobranco1
Concerning Argentina, I have once read a Russian publication about that country where it was claimed that in the end of 18 century about 30 percent of the Agerntinian population of the time(less than 1 million people) could have been black. The rest were mostly Spanish-Native American mestizos, only small group were white(criollos) but probably even these had at least some Native American ancestors. So that Argentina before the beginning of the mass migration of Europeans(somewhere about 1860- 1870) was not really different from other countries of the continent.
And by the way, the Argentinian gaucho poem “Martin Fierro” quite often mentions “morenos” which was the name given to black people in Agentina.
How Egyptians looked 2000 BP
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Fayum_mummy_portraits
on Tue Apr 22nd 2014 at 08:33:16 B. R.
Where I live is a huge destination for Argentinians and people from Uruguay , the Argentinians come in bus loads, and their is a season for the Uruguaians..these are more blue collar people the elites go to Rio….
The Uruguaians always have some phenotype black people among them and the Argentinians rarely have phenotype black people .They both have many people with phenotype indiginous indian looks .The Candombe carnival celibrations in Uruguay, have many black neighborhoods drum corps. Uruguay has way more phenotype Afro descendants than Argentina
A person from Argentina, Buenos Aires , who has some Afro descendancy but is not overly phenotype Afro looking , is a guy like soccar player Tevez…he played in Brazil, and they did a back ground bio report on him and they said he came from a poor neighborhood with a violent reputation , and when they showed shots from there, you could see the people were a little darker than average . still no heavy phenotype Afro representation, but , Afro descendant traits . They even went into the origins of his victory dance after his goals and how it was a dance from that neighborhood.
The Tango was influenced by the Cuban Habanera , and they say from Uruguay as well as Argentina…for sure , Uruguay could have an Afro influence on Tango
But Tango has other influences that are stronger than the Afro influence…many times , the flow is interupted by retards, or stops…very anti groove when that happens. It is one example of many in Latin America , where there is some Afro influence, but it is diminished. There are other anomolies in Gaúcho culture that have Afro referances but mostly done by white people. Something done with two hard balls on a rope that they swing very percusivly in 6/8 Afro sounding cadance, and a rhythm they play on a drum called bumbalagueiro
Brazil is so much more Afro descendant. There are huge amounts of dominant Afro diasporic expresions, actualy varying from big city to big city, like they were a country onto themselves…huge varieties of Afro diasporic beats and dances and huge varieties in how mixtures of people in the Americas played out, if not all the examples…fewer workers from Índia were brought to Brazil, where Guyana to the north has lots of people whose ancestors were brought from India
@ Pay it Forward
I haven’t the foggiest about studies like that, so thank you for shedding light on them.
on Sat Apr 26th 2014 at 02:31:52 TheSocialCentre.WordPress.com
Your white teachings about JudaeanHebrews as white,regardless of self described wanna be Jews is not in syche with genographics!
check genographic nation on Patrilineal JudaeaoGerman mid east roots!
Check out my SocialHandle.WordPress.com on my SocialHumanRace.WordPress.com It is probably Also SocialKin.WordPress.com! You will find the Genographic National Geographic testing shows comparable kinship of JudaeaoGerman,Yiddish Ashkenezim with both Mediterranean JudaeanHebrew,SephardicJews and as comparable with PalestineArabs’ patrilineage! If you want to sharpen up on your Lebanese war material, you might want to check out the Genographics on the Maronites as well as the pages showing each of the countries of the Mid east North African Mediterranean! I advise you to free your mind from the old radical militant affinity to the ArabistEmpireRacist genocidal perps, raping and genocidal destroying of Darfur, Sudan as well as the SudanArab war on South Sudan Blacks, Black lives and Black social culture! That is, as you obsess over the Angloes’ old hat, worn out standard , not new at all, stuff! With the exception of your great 1949 Blues,Rock n Roll first rate music! You need a refresher brother! The term Sudani means Black, while Bidani means white, from the Arabic self described labeling of Arabist Empire conquest, enslaving Africa! Meanwhile PLO definition of Patrilineage, as the defining property, to identify Arab nationality, particularly the PalestineArab centre of ArabEmpire nationalism, places JudaeaoGerman Patrilineage, right smack dab in the centre of PalestineArab common rooted kinship! Last but not least, on the ArabEmpire conquest over JudaeanHebrew,Zion,Israel, the Mediterranean, North African South West Asian, JudaeanHebrew roots, are as PalestineArab rooted, as any PalestineArab Man Woman or child! Meanwhile you do not distinguish between the Zanzibar Black Swahili,Bantu Non Arabs and the minority ArabistAryan mixed ruling apartheid minority! The Zanzibar White Arabists can be as white as Freddy Mercury of the rock group Queen, remember?
PalestineArabs are kin to SudanArabs, a mix of ArabEmpire conquering invaders, over non Arab country! So the Patrilineal roots of Arabist men, Arabized the native first nation, matrilineal pool of JudaeanHebrew and AramaicCanaanite geneologic roots! This same pattern happened all across the ArabistEmpire, conquered Africa and South West Asian, Mediterranean countries! So now, you have First nation AramaicAssyrian-AramaeanSyriac, occupied by Arabizing, ArabistEmpire patrilineage! The same goes for Nubian, Darfur, Beja and Kordofan-Nuba Nile and Saharan Blacks, occupied by ArabistEmpire patrilineage! That is the reason self described White Bidani Arabist Patrilineage, calls them selves white, while their Arabist gulf brothers call them ABEED FOR BLACK SLAVE, FROM THE SAME ROOT WORD AS SERVANT OF ALLAH ABDUL! So you might be interested to learn that MauritanianArabist Bidani whites, also call their Black subordinates, Sudanis and Abeeds! The Fulani Free Blacks, never enslaved, are still third or fouth class due to their not speaking the standard HASSANIA Arabic,te HassaniaArabs trace their patrilineage back to the Arabian peninsula! Fulanis do speak the Koranic Classical Arabic THAT ALL EDUCTAED MUSLIM BLACK NON ARABS SPEAK! But that Islamic scholarly Koranic Arabic does not earn the SudaniFulanis the respect of the demeaning ArabistEmpireApartheid occupiers of Mauritania, any more than Darfur Muslim non Arabs! Instead the Fulanis have been gradually organizing, no thanks to the USA militant radical Black Progressives! Mostly, if at all no help or attention comes from the Jew haters of the militant radical alleged Black nationalist, activism leaders, in positions of influence like your site!
on Sat Jun 21st 2014 at 07:36:56 Mihai
Because jews are white. *retard face*
on Sat Jun 21st 2014 at 16:54:53 Kotkoda (@kotkoda)
What does your map really show??? Your data range from 1921 to 2014 and from more to less reliable sources such as the US census or wikipedia. Also, which census did you use for the US numbers ? 2010? Did you use “white only” numbers? If so why?
I really don’t know how to interpret your map. Sorry to say but it makes no sense.
on Sun Jun 22nd 2014 at 06:00:37 Paul
The truth is as can be discerned from some of the comments and the map is that in many cases white is more state of mind than color of skin. In a lot of cases it’s social and financial and can be taken to mean ” I’m better than whoever is nonwhite.”
on Sun Jun 22nd 2014 at 16:42:17 abagond
@ Kotkoda
The numbers for the US are from 2010. It includes white Hispanics since otherwise I would find myself saying there are no white people in Latin America, which I think is nuts.
The Wikipedia numbers almost always come from government figures.
Only one country uses numbers from before like 2006 and that is Mexico.
on Sun Jun 22nd 2014 at 19:49:04 Joghn
What is the purpose of such a map? It seems like the same sort of thing eugenicists publish. What is the goal of publishing racial demographic maps?
on Mon Jun 23rd 2014 at 01:55:29 abagond
@ Joghn
I made he map because I wanted to know.
on Mon Jun 23rd 2014 at 03:49:23 drukermeister
It looks like you didn’t do your homework. Per Wikipedia, Mizrakhi and Sefardi Jews constitute about 2,721,000. The vast, vast majority of them are from other Middle Eastern and North African countries. So, they should be considered non-white. (Unless, of course, you’re using one-drop-of-white-blood for them.)
Ethiopian Jews constitute another 130,000. So, together that would make 2,851,000 non-white Jews. Add to that 1,688,600 Palestinians residing within Green Line. That makes a total of 4,539,600. Out of total population of 8,134,100.
That makes Israel about 55.81% non-white or about 44.19 white. So, Israel should be two shades lighter, if I understood your color scheme correctly.
@gatobranco1
Thanks, interesting portraits. I have never seen them before. It’s funny, but to me they look like modern Armenians/Georgians/Jews. (I have met Armenians and Georgians live as I was born in the former USSR.)
@ drukermeister
It looks like you did not read the post. According to the definition of “white” that I used all Jews are considered white.
My definition is not perfect, I admit. It is at best an approximation. But I needed something that was easy to apply uniformly across the whole world based on the information available in 2014. I tried different definitions. This one created the fewest paradoxes. Yours, for example, would apparently see Ralph Nader as non-white and Steve Jobs as half-white.
No, I did read the post. I just think it’s ridiculous, considering that you defined the surrounding Arabs/Middle Easterners among whom the majority of these Jews have lived for centuries as non-white. But, I guess, when you have an agenda to follow, why care about reality or even consistency?
on Mon Jun 23rd 2014 at 14:45:24 Kartoffel
If you read the map as a map of how americans view the world It’s perfectly viable. The inconsitencies are due to the inconsitent american view of race, it’s blurred borders.
@Kartoffel
I see what you mean and would even agree with you re: Americans’ view. The map does resemble that, but the issue then is two-fold. 1. As I understood it, the map is, at least partially, based on self-identification, in which case Americans’ views don’t matter, and 2. even if we get past 1, the map would need to lose internal boundaries for Canada, Russia, etc.
You can make insulting insinuations or maybe you could give me a better definition of white that I can apply consistently to the whole world with available information. I tried different ones. This was the one that I found to work best in practice, consistently.
on Wed Jun 25th 2014 at 20:02:14 Race Relations | Clarita Bombita
[…] Village in Chicago, a predominantly Latin@ neighborhood, to Costa Rica which according to this map https://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/04/11/the-map-of-white-people/ is 75-100% made up of white people. It is the only country in the region that is predominantly […]
on Sat Jun 28th 2014 at 18:07:31 Joghn
You made the map because you wanted to know what? Racial demography?
on Sun Jul 6th 2014 at 16:50:08 Njujorkezi
This map is wrong in so many levels. Albanians and other Muslims in Balkans are white, but I see you have problem with the religion. Second, if Albanians, Bosniaks are not white, are Israelis and Armenians white ? Lol.
on Sun Jul 6th 2014 at 17:22:28 abagond
@ Njujorkezi
By all means, suggest a more workable definition of what white is.
on Fri Jul 25th 2014 at 07:38:22 Person of Candor
Ha ha. You have a tumblr account don’t you Abagond.
on Sat Jul 26th 2014 at 02:20:59 limelite
Around 1900, the census in South Africa showed that the black to white ratio was around 2:1. Now it’s 10;1. Apartheid sure was real bad for the black population,eh? Maybe you should look again at your ‘before the bad evil white people arrived’ map for South Africa. Oh, and in case you weren’t aware of it, there were no “blacks” in South Africa – they arrived from the north by migration, around the time the whites arrived in Cape Town. Yeah, I know, shocking, right? I mean, you wouldn’t want to appear racist against white people or anything!
Kiwi, I totally agree with. Dude needs a history lesson. But that’s the white fragile ego syndrome that Agabond broke down perfectly.
limelite is definitely “limelight” in the head. His misinformation is from those guys who “discovered” everything. White racists are hilarious.
on Sat Oct 25th 2014 at 00:34:23 Gjirokastriti SHQIPTAR
Albania and Kosovo = grey: 0% to 25% white AHAHAHAH. NICE PROPAGANDA !!
on Fri Jan 16th 2015 at 00:46:13 Chris santana
if you excluded “white hispanics” then why is argentina there. Hispanics are anyone who comes from a SPANISH speaking country, hispanic has nothing to do with race! You yourself said “white hispanic” signifying that they are a person of european decent from a spanish speaking country or background, you said you would not include them because they would not count.. How if they are WHITE hispanics, yet you included argentina in which case you just contradicted yourself, very smart.
on Fri Jan 16th 2015 at 04:20:59 sharinalr
@Chris santana
Where in the post did he say he excluded “white Hispanics”? Plus I believe the map is based on how people identify not so much what he believes they are.
on Fri Jan 16th 2015 at 04:28:05 abagond
@ Chris Santana
I said in the post that I include White Hispanics.
on Fri Jan 16th 2015 at 05:09:42 Anna Stevens
Wow. The funny thing is, if I created a map called “A Map of Colored People” you would get mad because you were lumped together with all the other races, yet you didn’t seem to have a problem doing that to us “Whites”. I would also be blasted as an insensitive racist, but as long as you’re only being racist to people who are not in your lump sum of “white” you don’t seem to care do you? You are insensitive and ignorant and you’ve created this site to find shelter (in your few followers) for your ideals and opinions that are rude to others. You make me sick. You are wasting the hard work that was sacrificed by Civil Rights movements across the world. Oh, but you probably only think that “Civil Rights Movements” happen in America with white people oppressing non-white people. Well you’re wrong. They’re happening everywhere between all types of races not just whites. Get a grip of ACTUAL reality. Go explore the world. I did mission work in Honduras, I was chastised endlessly because they assumed I did not speak Spanish. Yes, I was persecuted for being white. “Stupid gringa doesn’t know we are making fun of her.” “She has ugly hair for a gringa.” Shocker, I know. So wake up and smell the roses. NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACIST. And YOU are being RACIST when you say “whites are always looking down on others.” or even, “white people are so racist.” Because you’re doing exactly what you are accusing “whites” of doing. You are assuming that because my skin is white that I will automatically be racist. It’s funny how that works huh.
And I’m from the Mississippi, where everyone says is SOOOO racist. Guess what, we’ve dealt with it and we’ve put it behind us. And everyone hear (disregarding there race or religion) is SICK AND TIRED of people always assuming everyone here is a racist or insensitive, or (my favorite) “stupid, fat, country people”. Ding ding ding, if you automatically assume that someone from a certain region behaves a certain way or believes a certain thing, YOU ARE BEING RACIST. Just like you grouped entire NATIONS of people onto your “white people map” I have a feeling a lot of people would feel extremely offended by your assumptions. Just like if I said, oh Latinos are darker than white people, I’ll just group them in with black people. That’s not how it works, they are there own people group. Seriously, get it together.
on Tue Feb 24th 2015 at 19:02:53 Speak Out
You’re going to have a hard time finding people in Baja, Sonora, and Chihuahua who “look white” but don’t have dark-skinned parents and/or children. Tourists excepted.
“would apparently see Ralph Nader as non-white”
Ralph Nader was called the n-word by white people growing up. I took his sister’s class and she is brown-skinned and was very supportive of the paper I wrote for her class analyzing the “Hispanic/Latino” racial project and how the U.S. has historically alternated between calling Mexican Americans “Indian” and “white” according to which better serves its interests in particular situations.
on Mon Mar 30th 2015 at 14:30:15 Pλulλ Ⓖ ♏♜ (@PauOrue)
This is the most racist I saw in my life . Please evolve , there is nothing wrong with being black , Indian , mestizo, etc. Every day we delaying us by people like YOU. Greetings from Argentina
on Thu Apr 9th 2015 at 23:02:44 Andrés
on Wed May 27th 2015 at 20:05:45 javier
I’m from Argentina, and the whole north of the country is mostly amerindian. In all the country, the percent of white people is about the 68%, amerindians are about 30% and the rest are black and east Asians (a few).
People whi is called mestizos, are very mixed amerindians (most part) or very mixed whites.
on Wed May 27th 2015 at 22:20:21 biggiefriez
“I thought of using both linguistics and genetics to define “white”. The trouble is that, either way, Iran, Pakistan and much of India would become part of “white”. That was not the sort of white I had in mind.”
I think you’re working too hard Abagond. In my opinion and in my experience as part of the white-European diaspora, most white people who consider themselves the ancestors of the pilgrims, settlers, George Washington, Shakespeare, Kant, Newton, Alfred Nobel, Mozart etc etc and generally of British Isles and northern European descent define whiteness fairly closely to the Nazi model even if only subconsciously. And since these whites are the ones that invented the world order, the philosophical, economic and governmental paradigms we live under and still dominate it for the most part and whose features, languages, and culture are still deemed to be the most desirable and preeminent throughout the world, their definition probably is – definitive. Why invent the wheel?
For your purposes I’d stick with that model and assume anyone who isn’t 100% northern European Anglo-Saxon looking along with the correct names and language isn’t considered fully white by Anglo-Saxons but rather “ethnic white”. Celts may be an exception but I’m not sure. So there is a hierarchy to European whiteness just as there is a hierarchy to race generally, with as you know, blacks at the bottom. Clearly being “ethnic white” isn’t as desirable as being northern European-white which is why some “ethnic whites” seem to display inferiority complexes. You’ve met the type. I recall “Pino” from Do the Right Thing. Ethnic whites hold parades. Parades, special days, parts of town (little this, little that) and other forms of attention seeking are ways people who feel they are not part of the mainstream conversation bring attention to their groups accomplishments and hopefully increase the self-confidence and pride of their members.
Many of the ethnic whites you mention like Greeks, Albanians, Slavs, some southern Italians, Caucasians etc, European looking Persians, Jews are accepted as white on a government census but less so by Anglo-Saxon civil society. Within Anglo-Saxon civil society they are considered “ethnic whites”. Ethnic whites are for the most part the ones you are referring to when you reference the “expansion of whiteness”.
I read that in Europe, Greeks and Italians often face discrimination from northern Europeans. Imagine that.
So whiteness isn’t really so hard to figure out. Just ask the people who decided what whiteness was in the first place, after all, it’s not like any of us get to decide anyway.
on Mon Jun 1st 2015 at 16:43:43 abagond
@ biggiefriez
I thought that that idea of Whiteness – Nordics as the “true” Whites, the rest as “ethnic” Whites – died out in the US in the 1950s, certainly by the 1980s. Rates of intermarriage seem to show that. So does the way the words “race” and “ethnic” have been used from the 1910s to 2010s:
In the 1970s I can remember “ethnic” meaning like Italians or Poles, whereas now in the US it means non-Whites. People use “race” and “ethnicity” almost interchangeably. Likewise, in the early 1900s, many saw Europe as divided into maybe three “races” – Nordic, Alpine and Mediterranean – using skull measurements and everything. Back then Franz Boas could talk about the “race” problem and mean among White people. If you say “the race problem” now in the US, people think you mean Blacks and Whites.
on Thu Jun 25th 2015 at 09:07:15 Omar Ortiz
Northern Mexico have more white population, in the states with light blue you should put medium blue…and in the rest of the border states should be medium blue as well.
For example, the state of Sonora has 65% approx. of white people, and it’s colored with light blue that means less than 50%…I live in Nuevo Leon, and I’m sure that there’s more than 50% of white people here.
on Thu Jun 25th 2015 at 12:44:01 abagond
@ Omar Ortiz
As noted in the post, the numbers for Mexico are way out of date. Can you point me to more recent numbers?
on Tue Jul 21st 2015 at 13:45:54 Marko
Why the hell did you classfiyed Albania as a “grey” country ? Do you think in Albania live black people or what ? Albania is a country with fully white people you ignorant people 1
on Tue Jul 21st 2015 at 18:57:23 Herneith
@Marko:
Better to be grey than psychedelic purple!
on Wed Jul 29th 2015 at 17:28:23 Bess
This makes no sense when you say that Albanians are not WHITE??! Your one retarded Moran
on Wed Jul 29th 2015 at 17:49:52 abagond
@ Bess
Tip: If you are going to call someone a moron, you should check your spelling first.
Calling someone a moron is not an argument. It proves nothing.
on Thu Jul 30th 2015 at 00:36:18 Mz.Nikita
@Abagond, LmaOooo X-D
on Sat Aug 1st 2015 at 14:53:22 drake
the albanians are whiter than greeks you mooron have u seen greek they are all darker than albanian ..albanians are white
on Sat Aug 1st 2015 at 16:42:37 Herneith
What’s ‘mooron’, moron?
In these peoples’ case they would not comprehend the above sentiment.
on Sun Aug 16th 2015 at 22:40:51 Italian man
Hi I would like to speak my mind, sometimes consider someone white. and not in the logic. but one thing geopolitical or cultural. it is true! people Kosovar Albanian and Bosnian and Muslim, but the lifestyle and racial and quite European! I am silly. white label not only someone for religion! it is also true that the same thing in Europe and uses Austalia and happened to Portuguese Italian southern Sicilian and Greek being seen as non-white. as in Europe and also in Italy the Arab populations! only some slightly darker shade of skin. the truth and the real part of the white race from that area that starts from the axis jerusalem-kuwait city up talking for asia, from cairo Casablanca-up to the east from the Urals to Portugal including descendants of those people who colonized the Americas and Australia
on Mon Aug 17th 2015 at 04:04:32 Danish Butter
This is stupid and ignorant. As a muslim, I don’t identify that as my race, and you are only contributing to that problem and know nothing about history.
on Sat Sep 12th 2015 at 23:54:40 ANGETS
I am sorry but Sephardi Jews are NOT whites (so don’t put Israel in dark blue). And Albanians, Bosnians and Macedonians ARE whites.
on Tue Oct 20th 2015 at 19:07:24 DyaniB
Not a good map at all. You forgot South Africa and many other places. Whites are dispersed all over the globe, ALL OVER THE GLOBE.
on Tue Oct 20th 2015 at 21:36:10 abagond
@ DyaniB
I did not forget South Africa at all. I even talked about it in the post.
on Fri Oct 30th 2015 at 16:23:41 mike
Who cares who is White in this day and age when president of USA is black. What most normal people care this days there are only four kind of people that matters: rich, poor, beautiful and ugly.
I mean Russians and Slavs are mostly White and many blond but no one trust them in contrary to for example Japanese and east Asians
on Sat Dec 12th 2015 at 21:43:26 Bllblla
Just that Albanians are muslim they are not white are u stupid? Wow!!!!
on Wed May 25th 2016 at 04:01:03 Mike
soon there will be no more dark blue spots because of immigration and low birth rate of whites.
on Wed May 25th 2016 at 12:22:41 Alan Schlickmann
The map doesn’t take absolute numbers in consideration, only percentage. Absolute numbers can also help to picture a global figure.
The USA has the largest White population on the planet with 223 million Whites. The US is followed by Russia with 146 million people, mostly Whites but Eurasians also included. Germany has 81 million people, France 66, the UK 65, Italy 60 and Spain 46, but those countries are not entirely composed of Whites.
Brazil has the third largest White population in absolute numbers with 89 million European descendants, 10 million Levantine Arabs, mostly Christian Lebanese and Syrians, 162 thousand Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews and 800 thousand Anusim or descendants of colonial Dutch and Portuguese Crypto Jews/Marranos. Brazil is also home to 800 thousand Gypsies or Roma people, mostly Portuguese followed by Baltic and Eastern Europe Gypsies.
Brazil has 42 million Lusitanians or Portuguese people, including 1.5 million Lusitanian citizens, followed by 31 million Italian descendants, 19 million Spanish descendants, 16 million descendants of German-speaking nationalities, i.e., German, Austrian, Luxembourger and Swiss (including 7 million of full German ancestry), Pomeranians and Volga included, 6 million Slavs, mostly Poles, Ukranians, Russians, Belarusians, Croatians, Czech and Slovenes, 1.5 million Dutch descendants, 1 million French descendants, 1 million Scandinavian descendants, mostly Norwegians, 850 thousand Lithuanians and Latvians, 300 thousand Hungarians, 250 thousand British descendants including Charles Miller and Oscar Cox who popularized football in Brazil, 180 thousand White Americans, mostly descendants of 19th century Confederate colonies. American descendants include Pérola (Pearl) Ellis Byington, an accoladed educator, social activist, philanthropist and volunteer for the American and Brazilian Red Cross, Chief Justice of Brazil Ellen Gracie Northfleet, first woman to be appointed to the Supreme Court, and the singer Rita Lee Jones, dubbed “the mother of Brazilian rock’n’roll”. Brazil also has 150 thousand Finnish descendants, 150 thousand Greeks, 40 thousand Armenians and other groups like Georgians, Irish etc. The ethnicities overlap just like in Argentina. São Paulo has the largest absolute number with 30 million Whites and the state of Santa Catarina that is 49% German and Austrian has the highest percentage of whites with 86%. It used to be 95% in the 1940s. São Paulo has the largest number of Italians with 15 million people. The city of São Paulo has the largest number of Jews in the nation, also the largest Japanese diaspora. Brazil has the largest number of Japanese people outside Japan. Peru also has Japanese descendants. The other South American countries also have Chinese and Korean populations, as well as Jewish minorities.
The second most spoken language in Brazil or mother tongue is German or assorted German dialects. The Hunsrückisch dialect from Rio Grande do Sul is called Riograndenser while the local one from Santa Catarina is called Katharinensisch. 4 million people have German as their mother tongue in Brazil and 3.6 million speak Venetian Italian. Polish, Japanese, Ukrainian, Dutch, Lithuanian, Lettish, Norwegian and Russian, Yidish and Hebrew are other immigrant languages.
Argentina has over 20 million Italian descendants and Italian is the second most spoken language in the country. The number of Spaniards is also over 20 million people. Argentina is home to 6 million French descendants, 3 million Germans mostly Volga, 3 million Arabs, almost a million Irish descendants. Che Guevara had Irish ancestors. Argentina is also home to Welsh and Swedish colonies in Patagonia. There are still several Welsh speakers. Chile is home to a large number of British descendants from 19th century immigration who helped during war against Peru and Bolivia. Argentina has the largest number of Jews in Latin America, followed by Brazil. Argentina used to have around 400 thousand Jews but a few thousands moved to Israel.
The entire number of Europeans living in Sub-Saharan Africa is not much higher than 5 million. The majority live in South Africa followed by Angola. South Africa has 4 million Whites including Brits, Dutch, Portuguese and Italian. Several Boers or Boeroes (Afrikaners) migrated to North and South America during the 20th century, including US, Canada, Argentina and Brazil.
Most Whites who lived in Suriname and Guyana left after independence. Brazil received several Dutch Surinamese (or Boeroes)
Whites or Europeans in diaspora are (absolute numbers):
US 223 million;
Brazil 99 million;
Argentina between 39 and 40;
Canada 25;
Australia 20;
Mexico 20;
Colombia 18;
Venezuela 13;
Chile some estatistics say between 6 and 8, others between 8 and 10 million (Chile has 18 million people, a large Castizo population, people who are mostly European DNA with Native assimilation, and around 3 million Natives);
Cuba 7;
South Africa between 3.5 and 4.8 or 5;
Peru 5 million;
Costa Rica 3.5;
New Zealand 3.3;
Uruguay 3.1 (around 90% of Uruguay is White) ;
Puerto Rico 3;
Guatemala 2;
Dominican Republic 2;
Bolivia 2 (including several Mennonite colonies);
Ecuador 1.3;
Paraguay 1.3;
Nicaragua 1 million;
The Falklands (Malvinas) in South America have a population of 2 thousand people with several Welsh and Scottish descendants but also people from France, Gibraltar, Saint Helena, Sweden and Chile. Haiti has a very small White population between 200 and 400 thousand. Belize and Jamaica too. The White population in the Guyanas region does not reach over 60 thousand. French Guiana has the largest number, followed by Suriname.
According to DNA research people identified as Mestizo, Castizo or Caboclo in the Americas (Jessica Alba and Taylor Lautner phenotype) have a span of 70% to 90% European DNA markers with the rest being Native admixture and Mulatto or Black and White mix have a range of 60 to 80% European DNA markers. It was found that some Black people in the US aka African Americans carry Chinese blood from 19th century contact as well as European, while several White Americans carry Native genes and some African too. DNA tests with White phenotype citizens of Australia and New Zealand also showed Aboriginal and Maori blood assimilation as well as Chinese and several White phenotype South Africans have Sub-Saharan blood admixture. DNA tests with French and British Canadians have also showed Indigenous genes assimilation.
@ Mike
White Mormons still have dozens of babies. Mormons are probably the only reason why Whites won’t go extinct Heh heh! Hahaha!
Argentina and Brazil also have a few thousands of Afghans and Iranians.
Some statistics give 23 or 24 million Whites for Mexico.
on Wed May 25th 2016 at 16:24:20 Afrofem
@Alan Schlickmann
White/European descent people are not going “extinct” anytime soon.
According to this 2011 Guardian article, African descent people are the majority in Brazil.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/17/brazil-census-african-brazilians-majority
This comes after concerted efforts by Euro-Brazilians to dilute the African population in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Euro-Brazilians went to far as to encourage immigration from Europe and award idigenous land to the European immigrants as a lure. (Hmmm, where have we heard that story before?)
Alan Schlickmann, you dumped a lot of uncorroborated data in your comments. I would love to see some sources. Links?
*Dutch Surinamese were called Boeroes, while Afrikaners or Dutch South African farmers are called Boeren.
on Wed May 25th 2016 at 21:08:56 Schlickmann
@Afrofem
I think it was pretty obvious I was joking about the fact Mike said Whites were going extinct.
The Guardian is a leftist paper that serves their own populist agenda. It is wrong to count Castizos, Mestizos, Caboclos, Gypsies, Arabs and Eurasians as Black. It is a crime to deprive them of their identity. There are Mestizo and Eurasian groups protesting against that.
http://www.nacaomestica.org/pardo.htm
^ Flavia C. Parra et al., “Color and genomic ancestry in Brazilians”, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America 100 (2003). Second paragraph. Accessed 12 December 2009.
^ Denise R. Carvalho-Silva et al., “The Phylogeography of Brazilian Y-Chromosome Lineages”, American Journal of Human Genetics 68 (2001): 281–286. Accessed 13 December 2009.
^ “Pardo category includes Castizos, Mestizos, Caboclos, Gypsies, Eurasians, Hafus and Mulattoes Cafuzos”. http://www.nacaomestica.org/. 2015. Retrieved 2015-04-15.
The number of Blacks and Mulattoes in Brazil are actually not that higher than the US. The US has 42 million African Americans while Brazil has 56 million Blacks and Black and White miscigenation people. Those figures you mentioned are actually counting all mixed people and non-Whites as Black. The pardo group stands for mixed and includes Castizos, Mestizos, Gypsies and Eurasians. More than half of those counted as Black are actually Mestizo or Castizo and look like Jessica Alba and Taylor Lautner. The Northern region or North-West (Amazon basin area) is actually mostly Castizo, Caboclo and Indigenous with a White minority.
Brazil has 89 million European descendants; 10 million Levantine Arabs, mostly Christian Lebanese; 162 thousand Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews and 800 thousand Anusim, descendants of colonial Dutch and Portuguese Crypto Jews or Marranos.
800 thousand Roma people or Gypsies; 400 thousand Eurasians, mostly Ainoko or hafu, meaning Japanese and European. 2.3 million East Asians and 30 thousand South Asians and East Indians. Most Asians are Japanese. Brazil has 1.8 million Japanese people, 300 thousand Chinese, 50 thousand Taiwanese and 150 thousand Koreans.
Caboclo people are people whose genes span from 70% to 90% European (mostly colonial Portuguese, Dutch, French and Spanish) with the rest being Native blood admixture. In Spanish they use the word Castizo. Brazil has 43 million Caboclos or Castizos/Mestizos. The number of Indigenous people who live in reservations is 500 thousand. 160 thousand people speak speak Indigenous languages. Brazil has 42 million Mulattos and 13 million Blacks. According to DNA research people who identify as Mulatto or Black and White mix have a range of 62 to 80% European DNA markers (colonial Portuguese, Dutch and French) with the other markers being Sub-Saharan African blood assimilation.
Argentina and Uruguay have small Mulatto populations. Peru has a Black minority and Colombia, Venezuela, Suriname and Guyana have a considerable Black and Mulatto population. In French Guiana, Suriname and Guyana there are the Maroon people, formerly called Bush Negroes. Peru also has East Asians and Colombia and Venezuela also received European and Arab immigration. They also have Jewish minorities. Peru and Venezuela have large Chinese populations.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_diaspora
Brazil 55,900,000 including multiracial people, 6.84% (black) + 20.6% (mulatto pardos) Flavia C. Parra et al., http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC140919/#id2601616 Color and genomic ancestry in Brazilians. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America 100 (2003). Second paragraph.
Denise R. Carvalho-Silva et al., http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1234928/ The Phylogeography of Brazilian Y-Chromosome Lineages
American Journal of Human Genetics” 68 (2001): 281–286. http://www.nacaomestica.org/pardo.htm
Pardo category includes Castizos, Mestizos, Caboclos, Gypsies, Eurasians, Hafus and Mulattoes Cafuzos
USA 42,020,743 including 3,091,424 citing both Black and another race
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Brazilians
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Latin_Americans
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_diaspora
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentines_of_European_descent
on Wed May 25th 2016 at 22:43:45 Sharina
@Schlickmann
You are using 2009 stats to counter 2011 statistically data provided by Afrofem. This does not really support your claim. I will try to respond in depth when I feel like it.
Correction….your source has 2000-2002 data.
on Thu May 26th 2016 at 00:49:53 Afrofem
“It is a crime to deprive them of their identity.”
I see this issue of identity differently.
It did not seem to be a “crime” to deprive African descent people of their identity during centuries of European domination in Brazil and throughout the Americas. To me all of these racial sub-classifications (such as Castizos, Mestizos and Mulattoes) were a way to deny and deprive people of African descent pride in their all parts of their heritage,
their contributions to the greater culture and most importantly, their political power.
The primary reason the Portugeuse and Spanish devised all of these spurious sub-classifications was to create division among people of African descent and antipathy toward Blackness and worship of Whiteness.
It worked for a long time, but in the words of that B.B. King song, the thrill is gone. African Brazilians and “blended” Brazilians, regardless of their degree of African heritage seem to be entering a period of respecting everyone in their family tree, not just the Europeans or the Indigenous members.
That may seem like deprivation to some, but to me, the majority of Brazilians pride and respect in their African ancestry is long overdue.
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Linking to a source in Portuguese such as nacaomestica.org is unhelpful. English language sources are preferable.
Wikipedia, to me, is a source of last resort. With that site, the question of who wrote this article(?) is always topmost in my evaluation of data and conclusions presented in the articles.
All of that being said, thank you for supplying some links. We will have to agree to disagree on what the information you presented means in the lives of Brazilians.
on Thu May 26th 2016 at 01:02:22 Herneith
The white men should be out and about breeding more white women instead of watching porn and masturbating in their mother’s basement. What woman wants to bree with such men?
on Thu May 26th 2016 at 04:14:13 Alan Schlickmann
Wow! How is a person who’s mostly European DNA and partially Native American Black? They identify themselves as Castizo, Mestizo or Caboclo. They don’t have recent Sub-Saharan ancestors. Only if you count 400 thousand years ago. How is an Eurasian Black? Do Americans label Eurasian Keanu Reeves as Black? How is a Roma (Gypsy) individual Black? Is Kate Beckinsale who has Chinese-Burmese ancestors Black? Angelina Jolie has Native American assimilation. Is she Black? Are Jessica Alba and Taylor Lautner deemed as Black?
Are people from New Zealand who are mostly White and partially Maori as well as Canadians with Métis admixture Black people? Would they be African American?
The last census took place in 2010. There are several pdf links provided.
This seems like a trolling using pseudo-leftism to serve your own agenda and justify your own invested interests just like The NY Times and The Guardian overrating or underestimating numbers to fit their agenda.
It is a crime to label Levantine Arabs, Jews, Roma people aka Gypsies, Asians, Eurasians, Mestizos and Indigenous peoples from the Americas as Black.
Mestizo, Castizo and Mulatto are terms that American and Brittish English borrowed from Spanish. That’s the reason I used them.
Brazil is in the Americas. The majority of the people who identify as mixed is Mestizo and Genetic tests showed that they have a span of 70% to 90% European markers with Native American Pre-Columbian admixture. That is the reason why Jessica Alba and Taylor Lautner have the phenotype they have. Other mixed include Gypsies, Eurasians, Mulattos and Cafuzos. The figures are clear you just have to read them.
In 1498 Brazil had 3.2 million Natives. A large percentage died from the flu and smallpox. Brazil received 3.6 million Sub-Saharan Africans as slaves from the 1550s untill the 19th century. 4 million Portuguese migrated to Brazil. 1.5 million between 1951 and 1975. Between the 1820s and 1940s Brazil received another 7 million Europeans, including Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews, plus 600 thousand Levantine Arabs and starting in 1908 the country received 270 thousand Japanese people, and later 100 thousand Koreans and 200 thousand Chinese people.
Mixed people descend from settlers from the colonial period.
European descendants, Levantine Arabs, Jews and East Asians descend from 19th century and 20th century immigration during the Imperial and Republican periods. Recent immigration.
It is pretty obvious. Just like the History of Hispanic America, US and Canada.
on Thu May 26th 2016 at 04:51:34 Sharina
Nothing you provided has any recent data to it. On top of that your argument is based solely on how you believe it should be rather than facts presented in your sources. You opinion is people should identify as white because of their mostly European DNA, but fact of the matter is people are often pushed into a category based on a drop of black blood. Pull all the numbers you want, but how a person chooses to identify is up to them not you. That is not pseudo-leftism that is reality.
Re: White Mormons
Many of them suffer from fertility issues, so if you are counting on them to save the white race then you will be counting a long time.
on Thu May 26th 2016 at 04:56:16 abagond
White people have mainly themselves to blame. They are not having enough babies. No one is forcing them to do that. As a consequence, they depend on immigration just to keep their countries going, to make up for the children they did not have.
Also, they screwed up many of the very countries that immigrants come from.
on Thu May 26th 2016 at 05:40:30 Benjamin
Maybe that is why the birthrate in Israel is so high compared to other developed nations. They’re worried that if falls too low, they’ll be forced to rely on (non-Jewish) immigration. And of course they’d never consider that option.
Over 50 percent of Brazilians self identify as African descent people. People who cling to those antiquated racial subcategories and their European cousins are a numerical minority in Brazil.
The blog, Black Women of Brazil, has many fine articles about how this new majority see themselves. This article is instructive: Mulata? Morena? Not anymore!: The power and liberation of recognizing one’s self as black
https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/2014/06/05/mulata-morena-not-anymore-the-power-and-liberation-of-recognizing-ones-self-as-black/
This is how African Brazilians see themselves.
“We are black women! Without (any of) this mulata, parda, moreninha…”
To me, it is a crime to not recognize and celebrate their Blackness.
You also might want to peruse this article: We are empowered black women! We will not whiten ourselves anymore
https://blackwomenofbrazil.co/2015/04/12/we-are-empowered-black-women-we-will-not-whiten-ourselves-anymore/
If they are ready to move beyond antiquated racial subclassifications, perhaps you could consider accepting them as they present themselves—–as proud people of African descent.
on Tue May 31st 2016 at 06:55:24 bruce (@dibran)
My 10 year old daughter can divide race in world map better then you
on Tue May 31st 2016 at 12:36:32 abagond
@ bruce
So where is her map?
on Wed Jun 8th 2016 at 04:33:30 Benjamin
The map of white people was not on the Internet, so I made one.
On the “European Diaspora” page on wikipedia, there is a map of people of European descent. It matches closely to yours but is not identical (it includes the Balkans as White, for example). I wonder if it was influenced by your map or not, since you had not come across a “map of White people” before.
@ Benjamin
Seems like it was. It is suspiciously close and even uses shades of blue!
Yes! It was the shades of blue that reminded me of your map. Upon reading further, that map is even more similar to yours than I thought. I guess the creator of that map does NOT consider Muslims in the Balkans to be White after all. I guess the reason they shaded it light blue is to reflect the Christian minorities there.
on Wed Jun 8th 2016 at 09:56:52 jefe
Good catch, Benjamin!
on Thu Jun 9th 2016 at 01:29:55 abagond
I thought I had fixed that. It should be good now. Thanks.
He says he excludes Muslims as “European” since otherwise he would have to count much of South West Asia as European. Same as me.
He counts Ashkenazic Jews as European but not other Jews. I counted all Jews as White, but I agree with him. After all, according to my definition, Ethiopian Jews are “White”. It was never an issue though, since it did not show up on the map.
Where we do disagree and where it does show up on the map is Lebanese Christians. I count them, he does not. He counts Christians in Armenia, but not those in Lebanon or Egypt. He seems to base that on language: Armenians speak an Indo-European language, Arab Christians do not. He does admit that it was an arbitrary decision.
All this confirms for me that all those drive-by commenters who say I am an idiot for not including Albanians have never tried to make a map like this – or even seriously thought about what they mean by “White”. It is just one of those contradictory ideas they complacently base their life on.
The link to his map and commentary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_diaspora#/media/File:European_Ancestry_Large.svg
on Sat Jun 25th 2016 at 03:25:18 Isaac
Israel is not anymore ‘white’ than Syria, Lebanon, or Iraq. Jews are closest related to northern middle eastern and south caucasian populations. Jews are descended mainly from Hebrews and other mediterranean peoples from Italy and Greece.
In fact, the only significant admixture that Ashkenazi Jews have is italian/greek. Sefaradi Jews also have this admixture and are no darker than many ashkenazi jews. Both groups are more related to each other than to any other populations. Same race.
Plenty of ashkenazi jews look kurdish, armenian, lebanese, or persian. Others look greek or italian or spanish.
And not all sefaradi jews are dark either. Plenty have white skin. They have similar levels of southern european admixture that ashkenazim have.
Mizrahi Jews make up the majority of Israel anyway and are pure hebrew (middle eastern).
Furthermore 1/5 of Israeli citizens are arabs. 20% of the population.
There are many black people that converted to judaism living in Israel, or that descend from black converts and hebrews (ethiopians).
Israelis are no whiter than Assyrians and Kurds (people from northern iraq).
Seriously, there are some really dark ashkenazi jews out there, entire families. Very light sefaradi families too.
You people are so sheltered when it comes to Israel. For years you said Ashkenazi Jews descended from Turkic-Mongol Khazars (epic fail), you were all wrong.
They are a middle eastern/mediterranean hybrid population. Virtually identical to sefaradi jews, and extremely close to mizrahi jews (jews that never migrated to europe).
All autosomal studies and mt-dna studies confirm this.
And of course someone will post a few white skinned ashkenazi jews on here to show how ‘white’ all ashkenazim are which is bs.
Consider this. Judah Benjaim, a sefaradi jew, was the brains behind the southern confederacy. How can you possibly consider him to be a person of color yet consider a darker ashkenazi jew to be white?
Technically anyone from the middle east, north africa, and europe is white/caucasian anyway.
You guys have obviously never seen many sefaradi jews, who are not all brown people. Seriously, there are tons of white skinned jews from Morocco and Algeria and Tunisia.
Plenty of sefaradim from europe are white too. Serbia, Macedonia/Greece, the netherlands, portugal, england, bulgaria.
A prime minister of England was a sefaradi jew, Benjamin d’israeli,, are you seriously saying he is not white? But that some olive skinned or brown skinned ashkenazi from Israel is white? That makes zero sense.
As for mizrahim, you really need to get out more. Plenty of Syrian Jews are lighter than ashkenazi jews. It goes both ways. Even some Iraqi Jews are white. And Iranian Jews have their share of white skinned people.
A genetic study done even showed that Azerbaijani Jews (descended from persian speaking jews) cluster with Ashkenazi Jews. This was an mt-dna study too.
If Israel is white, then so is Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iran, etc.
on Tue Jul 12th 2016 at 19:01:26 Raul
Are you really going to classify race on base of the religion?? Are you kidding? This is such a crap?
on Tue Jul 12th 2016 at 19:21:02 abagond
@ Raul
It seems you just got Internet service.
Go to this website:
And in the search box at top, type in “9/11” and hit the ENTER key.
on Fri Jul 15th 2016 at 19:59:49 Ettore
I was in Albania recently ( 3 months ago), believe me their whiter than Portuguese people, Spanish people, Turks, Greeks, or Bulgarians. I also think that turks are whiter than Portuguese people from what i have seen… however the point was that cuz Albanians are muslims their not white? this has no logic, especially in a country like Albania where you find catholics, orthodox,muslims and other stuff and they all claim to be Albanians, thats funny and beautiful to see a country like Albania, however the one who wrote or made is web page i think knows little bit Albanians and belives to much in imaginary friends…whom all are from ASIA (christians and muslims)— all religions have been born there
on Wed Sep 21st 2016 at 16:14:32 abagond
White-majority countries outside of Europe:
on Fri Sep 23rd 2016 at 16:37:49 tifa
Wff albanian and kosovo are purest clean white race in europe stupid ignorants
Muslims are not race is religion dont mix religion with ethnicity
How many muslims are white 4exemple im white albanian muslim from north west fyrom
U think siberians are white and african albinos are white too l white race have dna not
Surface looking
Racists of religion cristians was white, jesus was white lol
on Sat Dec 17th 2016 at 16:04:32 Ardian
Abagong I am absolutely certain that you’re not white! Would think you’re Jewish, Serbian and Greek! I am Albanian, and proud of my nation, we are the cleanest people in Europe, we do not mix with other races like in western Europe)) And we are Albanians, we do not care about religion))) if you think you can be white thanks that you are Christian, you have deceived yourself thoroughly for Jesus was not white)) would think you’ve never read history.
on Sun Dec 18th 2016 at 02:09:30 Herneith
Abagond loves bieng white. There is nothing you or your goat can do to put a damper on that! albanian yoghurt is also the best in Europe!
on Sun Jan 8th 2017 at 20:01:08 lalbanais
what do you tell ???????
i’m albanian i’m white and i have green eyes, my mum has grey eyes, my dead has green eyes, my cousins are blond…
albanian poeple is the oldest for europe!!!
How we can’t be white?????
it’s me ! http://www.cjoint.com/c/GAit7PV16pQ
on Mon Jan 9th 2017 at 11:59:26 abagond
@ lalbanais
There are Black people with green eyes too, and tons of White people with brown eyes.
on Tue Jan 10th 2017 at 18:06:32 lalbanais
@abagond please change the map she is false , you change the reality , please go in albania and kosovo and see it, we are white,
EXEMPLE ALBANIAN OF KOSOVO AND ALBANIA
PLEASE CHANGE YOUR MAP!
on Tue Jan 10th 2017 at 19:54:22 Benjamin
Albania is only 60% Muslim, so why is the country entirely gray? Do you not see Christian and atheist Albanians as White either?
on Tue Jan 10th 2017 at 22:08:13 Afrofem
If you don’t declare Albanians “White”, lalbanais may jump off a cliff from fright and worry. LOL!
The wages of “whiteness” are as greatly desired on the periphery of Europe as they are in the USA.
He must tell the truth! And not what he thinks.
Religion has nothing to do with race.
To determine whether Albania is historically Muslim or Christian, I go by the religious population.
@ Afrofem
Wages of whiteness is just what I was thinking too!
How do you propose I draw the line between Whites and non-Whites? What is your definition?
on Wed Jan 11th 2017 at 17:24:13 lalbanais
@abagond The Albanians we descend from the Illyrians, We are the oldest population of Europe, it’s proved scientifically , We were polytheistic, after catholic and only from 1500 we were forced to be converted to the Islam, albanian we are white people , i’m white my family are white , my freunds albanian are white , the all albanian are white , We Albanians we do not mix with other origins! Romania is black , Bulgaria is black , 50% and more of greece are black , the religion is religion the race is the race ! the religion is not a race.
LOOK The prince and princess of albania (Albania and kosovo)
thay are black ? no they are white like me and de all albanian(Albania and Kosovo).
please Don’t judge a people for a religion.
on Wed Jan 11th 2017 at 17:47:11 Benjamin
Albanians were historically Christian, only converting to Islam in large numbers in the 1600s. And it appears that most converted to escape discrimination rather than out of genuine belief. In any case if you count Lebanese Christians as White than why not Albanian Christians?
on Wed Jan 11th 2017 at 18:02:09 resw
Wow, white privilege is powerful indeed! I’ve never heard of people grovelling and begging to be classified as black or anything else for that matter.
While I disagree about Costa Rica and Puerto Rico being dark blue, I have to side with abagond on Albania.
And all the talk about being “purest” white Europeans is hogwash. There is no such thing, and if there were, it sure wouldn’t apply to Albanians!
Albania was under Ottoman rule for 500 years. So are we to believe the Albanians stayed “pure” that whole time and didn’t mix with people from Turkey?
@Benjamin
exactly, the All Muslim Albanians Muslim of today were Catholic before 1600s.
We are white.
The religion is religion the race is the race ! the religion is not a race.
“The Albanians we descend from the Illyrians, We are the oldest population of Europe”
And what evidence suggests “Illyrians” are the oldest?
“it’s proved scientifically”
Do share this scientific proof.
@resw
The Ottoman Empire has massacred us the Albanians,
Serbian has massacred us the Albanians,
Greece has massacred us the Albanians,
Bulgarie has massacred us the Albanians,
Because we are white!
But the USA tey protect us , he They bombed serbian , turks , greek.
Austria was also in the Ottoman Empire but they are white same for the albanian we are white.
serbian has massacred crotian and albanian because we are white.
@resw Do some research yourself and you will see it.
Look albanian people we are white juste see it’s simple.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCEzii0QC9I)
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGhkj_PSgH0)
Yes, I would count Albanian Christians as White, but not the Muslims.
@lalbanais
Invaded by so many people, and yet Albanians still managed to stay so pure? Miraculous!
“Do some research yourself and you will see it”
I did, which is why I was so surprised that I could not find any scientific evidence that Albanians are the “oldest population of Europe”.
And guess what? I found no scientific proof that “Illyrians” were the oldest.
So no, I don’t buy your theory, especially considering most archaeological evidence that could possibly be attributed to “Illyrians” doesn’t even date beyond the 7th century BC.
You did not answer my question: What is your definition of White?
Race and religion are very much bound up. Muslims are an out-group that most Whites see as an Other against which they define themselves. Thus all the Islamophobia, even from Whites who probably have not gone to church for years, if ever, like Mr Trump.
Starting with the Crusades, Westerners enslaved, killed and took the land of non-Christians and used religion as an excuse. But when said non-Christians converted in numbers (Muslims and Jews in Spain, Blacks and Natives in the Americas), that no longer worked, so race became the new excuse.
Not buying it. It shows a level of assimilation into the Ottoman Empire that you do not see in, say, the Serbs or Greeks.
i have give you the prove and you no, de world know albanian are white USA protect us , you don’t believe he is your problem , you went to Albania ? no ,Then you know nothing! , you just juge albanian for religion , it’s funny , the world know. hahahaha
ALBANIAN USA FOR EVER ❤ ❤
Why is Albania entirely Gray while Lebanon is not? Both contain Christians and Muslims. If Lebanon is light blue than why not Albania?
It is not just me. Google: are Albanians white.
You are trying to prove they are White without a definition. Why is that?
A point I am trying to make with my map is that there is no consistent meaning, that it is arbitrary and subjective. Even the US Supreme Court could not define the term.
Because Lebanon is like 40% Christian while Albania is only 17%.
on Thu Jan 12th 2017 at 05:17:00 Afrofem
“…We Albanians we do not mix with other origins! Romania is black , Bulgaria is black , 50% and more of greece are black …”
Please define what you mean by “White” and “Black”. I’m sure it would be news to the Romanians, Bulgarians and Greeks that they are “black”. Even the Roma (Gypsies, Romani people) in those countries are of South Asian descent mixed with Europeans from their time in slavery in Eastern Europe.
This is how modern Roma people look:
According to an article on the Romedia Foundation website, Roma slavery is described in detail:
“For almost five centuries, Roma lived as slaves in the Romanian Principalities, from the moment of their birth, as the code of Wallachia mentions in the 19th century. They were treated as objects with exchange value, being sold in auctions, donated, given as gifts at weddings, or simply used to repay debt. The slave was the master’s property, with no legal status. Marriage at a young age was encouraged, having as many children as possible being expected in order to increase the master’s property. Still not widely known, the details of the Roma slavery are one of the first institutionalised discriminatory practices against this group.
[…] in the case in which a free person wanted to marry a slave, automatically that person became a slave, too, along with any child born from a Roma mother. Thinking about rebelling? The master, having complete rights over the slaves, could apply any punishment considered to be appropriate, from flogging, to the cutting of the lips and ears, whipping the sole of the feet, public beatings, the only constraint being not to kill the slave, action which, anyway, would have been counterproductive for the estate.
The abolition [of Roma slavery] came only … as a response to the freeing of the slaves in USA and introduction of mechanization.
https://romediafoundation.wordpress.com/2014/04/18/roma-slavery-in-the-romanian-territories-a-catch-22-of-history-and-recognition/
Do the Roma people make the Romanians, Greeks and Bulgarians “black” to you?
But the USA tey protect us , he They bombed serbian , turks , greek
That was mighty white of them.
What colour are the Serbians?
Folks, don’t try to explain things to him. It’s way over his head.
on Fri Jan 13th 2017 at 00:24:02 Paola
This is so stupid . Albania and Kosovo don’t count as white just because they are muslims??? , what has to do the belief of a country with their race? Go to Albania , and Kosovo and see the people there, 100% white . And to sum up Albanians are one of the whitest race in Europe as they do not mix with other races , but I don’t have to talk . It’s obvious that the person who did this map is totally ignorant . Visit Albania and see how we are 100% white
on Fri Jan 13th 2017 at 01:17:50 Fan ...
An Scríbhneor Gael-Mheiricéanach
Sock puppet patrol!
mirkwood.. you inglorious imposter! lol
AGAIN… Is that YOU???
on Sat Jan 28th 2017 at 23:10:56 Cristina Conner
I always encounter this issue when I go to a website on race, ethnicity, etc. You say Muslims are not white. Why? Did you know that Muslim is a religion like Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, Buddhism etc. You can be any race and be any religion. Please don’t confuse apples with oranges. And I would suggest as a friend, that you go to a library and get information about the different racial groups. You will see that there is no mention of religion as a race identifier. Cheers.
on Sat Jan 28th 2017 at 23:29:46 cristina king
I thought I had posted a comment but I forgot that submit it. It was about cautioning you not to confuse race with religion. You mention in your article that Albanians are not white because they’re Muslim? Is like saying French and Italian are not white because they’re Christians? It’s comparing apples to oranges! I would suggest as a friend to go to a library and consult reference books on race and you will see there’s absolutely no connection with religion. It’s a common mistake among those who decide to get a website and write about topics that that they have done little or no research on. Once you publish, shame on you for misguiding others. It’s like the blind leading the blind. Good luck.
@ cristina
What definition of White should I use then? Where and how do you draw the line between Berlin and Beijing? Between London and Lagos?
on Sun Jan 29th 2017 at 00:24:23 Benjamin
Do you consider the Mizrahi Jews to be White?
on Sun Jan 29th 2017 at 00:32:51 Cristina King
I just posted that Judaism is a religion not a race. You can be from Tonga or Pango Pango and you can be Jewish by faith if you so choose. And by the way I’ve never heard of Mizrahi Jews. I do know Isaac Mizrahi and he is Jewish.
@Cristina King
While Judaism is indeed a religion that anybody can potentially convert to, it has generally been practiced by a select few ethnic groups throughout history. One of them is the Mizrahi Jews, the Jews who never left the Middle East and went to Europe (or elsewhere). Sort of like how anybody can potentially be Amish, but virtually all the Amish are of Germanic heritage.
on Sun Jan 29th 2017 at 01:30:18 Afrofem
I notice that commenters who vehemently object to your definition of “White” tend to choke when you ask them to define “White”. Seems to be a recurring theme.
lol this reminds me of this newish tv commercial they have: the tissue test for tooth whiteness!
@Afrofem:
on Fri Feb 3rd 2017 at 23:08:18 Osman bardhylu
What a fucking dumbass retard whoever constructed the map,jow dare you say since albania and kosovo is muslim you fucking piece ofahit ,we are whiter than what you are you fucking mutt ,go fuckyourself
on Fri Feb 3rd 2017 at 23:48:09 Solitaire
My, how people in the “Old World” do get butthurt over the suggestion that they might not be 100% lily white.
The next time a French troll like apportune or jacques comes by and declares people in the USA are “too hung up” on race because we “don’t understand the Old World and its long history” and that in Europe “race doesn’t matter,” I’m going to have to remember to direct them to this comment thread.
on Sat Feb 4th 2017 at 00:59:37 Herneith
@Osman:
Learn how to cuss properly in English. The impact will be muich greater! Carry on!
on Sat Feb 4th 2017 at 05:16:32 Afrofem
It’s hilarious!
Osman yells “mutt” from the armpit of two continents. A stuck pig, er mutt, always squeals loudest.
@ Osman bardhylu
Why does it matter so much that people in Albania and Kosovo be considered White?
on Mon Feb 13th 2017 at 04:26:58 Chilean monkey
Street perceptions of White people in Chile and Argentina are always tricky because White people in those countries is “stirred but not mixed”: In Argentina, most europeans settled in the capital, and a minority of germans in the South (Bariloche).The northern provinces bordering Bolivia and Paraguay are definitely Amerindian/andean/Amazonian, and those close to the Andes are white/mestizo/castizo.
Chile is the same story: the Far North is mostly black/amerindian (example: the 33 San Jose miners), center is the typical mestizo, and as you move further south, the white/mestizo rate changes (example: http://bit.ly/2kAWBqq )
on Mon Feb 27th 2017 at 13:01:20 abagond
@Era1
Comment deleted for moderated language.
on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 05:14:41 Vojsava
You are just a dumb ass trying to act smart !! Im albanian there are all white people in Albania , about 80% have fair skin !! Im albanian my skin is more faire than that of a french girl and î have blond hair!! Have you learnt some history you loser ? Albania is Christian for more than 2000 years and 50% still is !! Islam came from the ottoman empire is not a religion of origins !! You should be some black dude yourself I think !! And since when race and religion are the same thing ? Idiot
@Vojsava:
Ever heard of Rosetta Stone language software?
on Thu Mar 30th 2017 at 17:23:46 v8driver
Isn’t it mecca and medina, saudi arabia, where mohommed received the word of allah
@ Paul Joseph Watson
Comment deleted for racial slur.
on Fri May 19th 2017 at 05:48:35 Paul Joseph Watson
Typical angry Black SJW women attacking White people. The bloke was making a point about demographics and the absolute numbers of whites in the Americas and these two tried to interfere with the debate imposing themselves and wresting terms like Mestizo and Eurasian. Just like all fat acceptance SJWs who wrench reality and deny biology.
According to the UN, governmental and CIA statistics the numbers for the Americas seem accurate. Chile does have a large Castizo and Native population.
Brazil is bigger than Europe and the contiguous US. The bloke was saying that half of Brazil is Caucasoid (European and Ashkenazi Jew), a quarter is Mestizo, less than a quarter is Black and Mulatto, with East Asians (mostly Japanese), Eurasians, Gypsies and Natives being the minorities that complete the total number. If the whites in the Southern Cone were a country they would be bigger than most European countries, and the white populations in Canada, Australia and New Zealand together. South African whites are a lost cause and currently living under discrimination, with many Afrikaners living in extreme poverty. They should migrate and receive asylum.
on Fri May 19th 2017 at 08:12:15 Solitaire
and these two tried to interfere with the debate imposing themselves
Sharina and Afrofem are regulars here and comment freely and frequently. They don’t require your permission or your approval.
Typical angry white male racist, coming to a black-owned blog written for black people and thinking his voice is still more important because he’s a white male. Trying to belittle and shame black women for taking equal part in a debate. Using racial slurs. Imposing his superior white male attitude and expecting everyone to meekly put up with his offensive interference. Typical atrocious manners of a white supremacist.
on Fri May 19th 2017 at 12:37:17 sharinalr
@Paul Joseph Watson
Nothing in my comments were angry so you are basically mad at the truth. I also never mention Mestizo and Eurasian, so WTF are you even talking about? The dude didn’t make a good point if it was so easily debunked. You can’t make a point off of outdated sources as if in that time period the population did not grow. The population changed drastically in 2002 to more recently. So you point was a moot one.
Sources were provided and his very own sources debunked what he was claiming at the time. The most recent stats on Brazil say only 47.7 claim to be white in Brazil. That is less than half. Do research.
on Fri May 19th 2017 at 15:23:20 Afrofem
@ Sharinalr
“Brazil is bigger than Europe and the contiguous US.”
Can you cite any independent sources to back up that claim? First you would need to define “Europe” since it is part of a larger continent.
“South African whites are a lost cause and currently living under discrimination, with many Afrikaners living in extreme poverty. They should migrate and receive asylum.”
Not true. More hysterical White Supremacist propaganda.
No one is holding White South Africans hostage. They are free to emigrate to Europe, Australia, New Zealand or Antarctica, whichever place suits them
You expected different?
Trolls like PJW think they have a divine right to talk smack to any and everyone, wherever they encounter them. Par for the course.
Nope. I just wanted to give him a taste of his own medicine.
on Fri May 19th 2017 at 23:13:21 unwantedtg
It is pretty well-known in Europe that Brazil is larger than Europe including Eastern Europe. Australia the same and Brazil is bigger than Australia. Have u heard about the Mercator distortion that makes Africa seem much smaller than Russia and even Greenland? It’s insane how grossly disproportionate Greenland is when compared to giant Africa. And we still use the Mercator map.
http://onlinedatingsoundbarrier.blogspot.com.br/2014/05/all-european-countries-fit-in-brazil-or.html?m=1
https://www.google.com.br/amp/s/www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/hnigatu/19-maps-that-will-help-you-put-the-united-states-in-perspect
Buzzfeed – 19 Maps That Will Help You Put The United States In Perspective.
The U.S. is basically an overcompensating, attention-seeking brat.
I guess the original claim was that the Pardo people group means multiracial and it includes a lot of Mestizo people, Native and European, encompassing Black and White, Black plus White plus Native, Eurasian aka Asian and White. And even Gypsies cuz the Roma are European with distant Northern East Indian ancestry.
South America is indeed a pretty diverse place. They have ethnicities from every continent. I was surprised to learn that Confederates moved to Mexico and Brazil.
And that Venezuela and Peru have millions of Chinese with coolie background. I’m aware that Mexico is in North Murica, NAFTA lol.
Actually Brazil was the first region to be called America after Amerigo Vespucci. I guess German cartographers started the tribute.
And also that Argentina’s Jewish community suffered terrorist attacks claimed by radical Muslims. Wow!
@ unwantedtg
Paul Joseph Watson’s claim was that, “Brazil is bigger than Europe and the contiguous US.”
Europe is a tiny bit of land. The continental US is a lot more substantial. Is Brazil larger than both? The Buzzfeed article says no.
His objections have to do with this comment:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/04/11/the-map-of-white-people/comment-page-1/#comment-316501
I was basing my comment on how Brazilians perceive themselves at this point in time. They are embracing their African heritage instead of running from it like the Dominicans.
To me, that is refreshing. To people like Paul Joseph Watson, that is anathema.
I’ve seen this stunning map before and it really put things into perspective for me:
on Sat May 20th 2017 at 21:02:17 unwantedtg
Oh I didn’t realize he meant both land masses. As big as Brazil might be that’s still impossible hehe! Not even the entire Russian territory is that big
I like the humor in the Buzzfeed article.
The US government states that China is smaller than US cuz China has a lot of territorial disputes with its neighbours and is pushing their maritime borders over Philippines, while China says the US claims interior water bodies as land to overcompensate. So I guess in this case, size matters. For projecting political power purposes. Some experts say Russia with its shrinking population faces a future threat of Chinese population invading the Federation’s Southeast.
I guess I heard about the Dominican case. That’s sad. While in the rest of the Americas people are using DNA research to learn more about their past. I’ve seen some YouTube videos about it.
The Haitian refugees issue reminds me of Saudi Arabia and the United Emirates not accepting a single Syrian refugee.
on Sun May 21st 2017 at 01:34:32 abagond
unwantedtg / Paul Joseph Watson
is banned for using sock puppets.
on Sun May 21st 2017 at 01:44:33 Afrofem
The attack of the pseudo-sneaky trolls/sock puppets. LOL!
on Wed Jul 12th 2017 at 01:37:35 Ilirian
How can u say Albanians are not white when they defended Europe alone for 25 years against Ottoman Empire, you have no rights to do these kinda of maps if you don’t know the history of white people in EU.Religion doesn’t tell your race, Albanians have all religions and Albanians have never had an religious disruption.
on Mon Dec 4th 2017 at 16:53:57 Flori
What the fuck is this. Albanian are not caucasian because most of them are Muslim. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂. If you go to Albania you are going to see 0 black people. Ass hole
@ Flori
If you go to the post you are going to see 0 references to Caucasians.
“White” and “Caucasian” are not always the same thing. Just ask Bhagat Singh Thind:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/04/16/bhagat-singh-thind/
on Wed Jan 17th 2018 at 15:44:42 Tony
This article was written by an uneducated dumbass that doesn’t know the difference between religion and race.
That’s all you need to know about this shit-post.
@Flori: You spelt a$$hole wrong, it’s one word.
@Tony:
LOLZ!!
These white supremacists are becoming boringly predictable in their responses! I almost long for the days of no_slappz and some of these other clowns who used to come here. Almost, not quite!
on Sun Feb 4th 2018 at 00:12:47 Albanopolis
Albanians the descendants of the Illyrians not white LOL
IN FACT,you piece of filth,according to a study of the University of California “Genetic Ancestry across Europe”,not only have same genetic like all other Europians,but Albanians have the highest rates of IDB within a population in Europe,sharing about 90 ancestors in the last 500 years and about 600 ancestors between 500 years and 1,500 years ago.
Not only we are white you filth,but are the most pure not mixed in Europe,even for your beloved Nazi scum,we were a “Aryan race”!
http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001555
Oh…now i see …the problem is that “they are muslims” LOL
abagond by the way..about Rita Ora
Rita whith her parents
“Solar” is a new invention you know…
on Mon Feb 5th 2018 at 05:22:18 abagond
@ Albanopolis
Why is it so important for you to be regarded as white?
on Mon Feb 5th 2018 at 07:43:48 gatobranco1
Since somebody speaks here about Albanians as “Caucasians” probably they confuse the Caucasian Albania(a polity which existed in the antiquity in the territory of the modern Azerbaijan Republic in Southern Caucasus) with Balcanic Albania(ethnically it includes the Republic of Albania, Kosovo and a part of the Fyrom(Former yugoslav republic of macedonia).
As far as I know, Balkanian Albanians are fully indigenous to the Balkan Area and have no relation whatsoever to Caucasus or Caucasians. There is an ongoing scientific dispute whether they stem from Illyrians or maybe Thracians or Dacians, but indigenous Balcanic peoples in any case.
The most of Kosovar Albanians are Sunni Muslims, but the people in the Republic of Albania can be Roman Catholic, Sunni Muslim, Bektashi Muslim and Orthodox Christian).
As for Caucasians(taken geographically), they are either Muslims( Adyghe/Circassian/Cabardians, Chechen/Ingush, Qarachay-Malkar, Daghestanis(Avar, Lak, Lezgi, Noghay, Kumyk), Orthodox Christians, as Georgians, Svan, Mingrelian, many Ossetians and Abkhaz or Armenian Orthodox Christians.
There are 5 or 6 linguistic groups in Caucasus – Indoeuropean(Armenians, Ossetians), Turkic(Qarachay-Malkar, Kumyk, Noghay), Adyghe-Abkhaz, Kartvelian(Georgians, Svan, Mingrelians), Checheno-Ingush and Daghestani(Avar, Lak, Lezgi etc.)
on Mon Feb 5th 2018 at 15:38:44 Herneith
Albanopolis, give it a rest.
on Tue Feb 6th 2018 at 16:58:20 Albanopolis@yahao.com
abagond@ BECAUSE WE ARE
Quit the crap.
on Tue Feb 6th 2018 at 17:43:38 Afrofem
Being second level White people is a sore spot for Eastern Europeans. Even the Russians look down on Albanians…being so close to Turkey and all.
The creation of Whiteness by colonial slaveholders has spread around the globe. That successful bit of social engineering causes marginal White people to nearly lose their minds at the slightest hint they are not considered White.
on Tue Feb 6th 2018 at 17:54:22 abagond
Why would you want to be associated with the worst band of thieves and killers the world has ever seen?
on Tue Feb 6th 2018 at 21:20:09 Albanopolis
abagond@ Are you a moron,or you just act like one?
By the way in Albania religion doesn’t matter! Only 15/100 muslims say religion matters. That makes them 2-3% of Albania population. And even them don’t cover,and drink alchohol.
And since you are a Donald Trump suporter:
I am being serious. Please explain it to me like I am a five-year-old: why is it so important for you to identify yourself with the worst band of killers and thieves in history?
It does not make sense to me. What makes sense is to be embarrassed, ashamed, sheepish, to try to distance yourself from them as much as possible. Albania, as far as I know, did not take part in the West’s crimes, certainly not on a huge scale, so why assert a connection with them? It does not make sense. I am missing something.
I did change schools at one point and was never taught long division, so maybe I missed out on this too. Along with the memo on the beauty of skinny blonde women.
on Tue Feb 6th 2018 at 22:11:48 Solitaire
Was the bolded text added in a later edit? Because if not, if it was part of the original post, you are prescient.
“Even Albanians” was in the original text but it was not bolded.
I am not a Donald Trump supporter. Not even close.
In the US only about 35% think he is doing a good job. Most people I know despise him, myself included.
Right, the bold was my addition just now for emphasis.
It just struck me as eerily prophetic, considering how many butt-hurt Albanians there have been on this thread.
on Wed Feb 7th 2018 at 08:08:48 jefe
the worst band of thieves and killers the world has ever seen
worse than the mongols?
Well, I guess landwise, sure. The Americas and Australasia is a big chunk of the world.
on Wed Feb 7th 2018 at 10:30:06 abagond
In terms of land taken and people killed, no one (so far) has outdone White countries over the past 500 years. The Mongols come second.
on Wed Feb 7th 2018 at 15:22:20 Albanopolis
@abagond your Trolling is awful!
Anyway i am done here,god help you with your brain! But since i don’t believe in religion, you are hopeless.Sad!
on Wed Feb 7th 2018 at 16:40:16 blakksage
@abagond your Trolling is awful! Anyway i am done here,god help you with your brain! But since i don’t believe in religion, you are hopeless.Sad! – Albanopolis
Wow, that’s a heavily vacuous statement. Why don’t you further express yourself so that we may understand your point? I’ll wait!……
on Wed Feb 7th 2018 at 17:49:47 satanforce
Really? I didn’t know that the sun was that recent.
Exactly. Evil races are just evil. The bigly evillness of them puts them on the level of orcs. Sad!
It does not make sense to me. What makes sense is to be embarrassed, ashamed, sheepish, to try to distance yourself from them as much as possible. Albania, as far as I know, did not take part in the West’s crimes, certainly not on a huge scale, so why assert a connection with them? It does not make sense. I am missing something…… so maybe I missed out on this too. Along with the memo on the beauty of skinny blonde women.
on Thu Feb 8th 2018 at 00:07:31 Afrofem
How does a blogger “troll” his or her own blog? LOL!
on Thu Feb 8th 2018 at 03:07:21 abagond
So you are just going to insult me instead of answering the question?
on Thu Feb 8th 2018 at 04:30:17 Albanopolis
When i google it “white countries” and saw my countriy was not in the white countries,i thought you were some Serbian prick who just wanted to troll Albanians,or some Christian supremacist who thinks Muslims can’t be white LOL
But no,i was mistaken,and all the Albanians above were to!
By the way,paint that map because Albanians will never be on your side of opinion.
About white people, they created this civilization,others just follow it…
For you blakcs,your self victimization today is your biggest problem.
I am out here.
Don’t believe to much in the MSM polls,they said he couldn’t get the nominee and look what happend!
You should despise more the Democrats …
Black vote for DNC is always +90%. If the number drops to 80% for the DNC would be very difficult to win an election. So they use racism card with MSM help to keep the tension high among blacks so they can get their vote.
They never talk for blacks real problems,in fact they avoid them,and attack anyone who talks about it as a racist.
DNC and MSM scream all day long for racism “white privilege”etc. because “Racism” is the only thing they have to offer to blacks,since they don’t say or do nothing for the high murder rate blacks against blacks,for they poor conditions,they failed cites,etc. And unfortunately the blacks buy it.
Democrats treat blacks like their personal electoral slaves,and accuse others for “racism” LOL
“Black vote for DNC is always +90%. If the number drops to 80% for the DNC would be very difficult to win an election.”
Actually the Repubs have diminished Black, Latinx, student and elder votes with various voter suppression schemes such as gerrymandering, voter ID requirements and poll closures. The outdated Electoral College is all that allowed your hero to become president. He actually lost the election by 2.8 million votes.
It doesn’t matter what percentage of eligible Black people vote, the elections are stacked against Black voters and in favor of minority Repub voters.
Neither the RNC nor the DNC cares about the percentage of Black voters.
You have been reading too many White Supremacist websites. Repeating their racist propaganda shows your ignorance about US politics.
on Thu Feb 8th 2018 at 19:15:02 satanforce
About white people, they created this civilization,others just follow it…For you blakcs,your self victimization today is your biggest problem. I am out here.
Then he goes and adds another comment below! Sad!
And the other parties have, what to offer exactly?
on Thu Feb 8th 2018 at 19:41:20 Solitaire
“DNC and MSM scream all day long for racism “white privilege”etc.”
If white privilege doesn’t exist, why are you so anxious to be categorized as white? How could it possibly matter whether or not you’re considered to be white, unless you believe you gain something from it?
Why does it matter so much to you that you call people nasty names like “filth” and “moron” for suggesting you might not be white?
on Fri Feb 9th 2018 at 00:26:02 Afrofem
Mr. “I’m Outraged That You Don’t Consider Me White” really shows his colossal ignorance about the dysfunctional two party system in the USA with his comments about Black people voting for the Dems.
I still want to see his response to Abagond’s question about why he wants to identify himself with the “worst band of killers and thieves in history”. Of course that would take honesty and guts.
on Fri Feb 9th 2018 at 02:02:42 satanforce
Of course.cause we really do know how much these people really do care about the about the neighbourhood safety, economic protection, public services and other civil amenities and issues that affect the Afro-American constituency on a day-to-day basis. Right?
Just like they are so very concerned about the daily nutritional intake of the average Zimbabwean that they are always so concerned about. Right?
The sad thing about these Scolders is that when they scold us, they don’t realize that they reveal their own inadequecies. They want that feeling of moral superiority – that dopamine rush – of scolding their morally bankrupt neighbours, whether they be educated blacks , poor blacks, activist blacks, or any Venn Diagram intersection thereof. But if your only claim to moral superiority is to scold people who are morally bankrupt….what does that say about the Scolder?
I suppose being Nominally White may be another way to achieve moral superiority.
on Fri Feb 9th 2018 at 15:25:32 Herneith
What do you expect from an Albanian? Sad!
on Fri Feb 9th 2018 at 17:08:10 Albanopolis
@Solitaire,
Because we are white,and that’s not an opinion that’s a fact. Quit the crap.
@Afrofem,
I understand the two party system better than you!
The blacks have the power to change their situation they don’t need another party! The Dems can’t win without the black vote,they can put conditions for their vote,but don’t! They just vote for them,the Dems keep brainwashing with the racism card,and that’s it! They take 90% of the black vote,and give nothing back!
What have Obama done for the Black Community?
What social policies have he take to improve black life?
Black marriage is a disaster,black cites are a disaster,black crime to the sky,the black fathers who abandon their children,a catastrophe!
He spent billions for Middle-east Pakistan etc but nothing for the problems above.
Be smart,and use the power of your vote to improve your community conditions,before they replace your vote with the hispanics one. And don’t need you anymore.
A common sense that you don’t have it! Sad!
P.S/This is my last post. May the force be with you!
@Albanian, you are as white as the driven snow in July. Sad!
on Fri Feb 9th 2018 at 19:45:18 sharinalr
@Albanopolis
Obviously you don’t know much about the two party system if you think anyone has power by voting. Voting is a show.
“lack marriage is a disaster”—Not entirely true as most blacks get married later in life. The stats were re-evaluated years ago and showed it is not that blacks aren’t getting married just later.
“black cites are a disaster”–Depends on where you go. Some are, but then again what poor city is fantastic.
“black crime to the sky”–Crime is to the sky but if you analyze data most reporting methods are based on arrest and an arrest is not a conviction. Being arrested more does not mean you are committing more crime.
“the black fathers who abandon their children,a catastrophe!”–False. A study came out some years back showing black fathers to be more involved that other races despite not being in the home.
on Fri Feb 9th 2018 at 20:37:39 Solitaire
I never said you were not white. I asked you why it matters so much to you, which is different.
Personally I think that you are white. I’m even willing to agree that you might be pale, blonde, and blue-eyed.
But my question remains: why does the possibility of being considered non-white make you so angry?
What would happen, good or bad, if someone considered you not to be white? How would it make you feel, and why?
on Fri Feb 9th 2018 at 23:23:35 Mary Burrell
Whiteness is a helluva drug.
on Sat Feb 10th 2018 at 02:55:49 Afrofem
Albanopolis’ rants and White Supremacist deflections are par for the course.
He still did not have the honesty or guts to respond to the central question.
No guts, no glory.
on Sat Feb 10th 2018 at 02:59:02 Mary Burrell
Their mediocrity makes them fearful and angry. White Supremacy even hurts whites.
The plot thickens being “nominally white” and second level on the hierarchy of whiteness makes for angry Albanopolis. It takes so much energy being bitter and butt hurt about not being at the top of the pyramid of whiteness. How tragic.
I should rephrase that white supremacy hurts whites and wanna be whites as well they are just to dumb to realize it.
on Sat Feb 10th 2018 at 20:17:43 abagond
You still have not answered my question.
on Sun Feb 11th 2018 at 02:26:54 satanforce
Concern troll is a concern troll.
The blacks have the power to change their situation they don’t need another party!
Black people. The Saviours of American Democracy. I suppose it has to do with American blacks Hive Mind psychic ability. I wonder when the Hispanics will evolve this ability.
Considering that the Dems have lost over 1000 seats during the Obama administration, ignored Bernie, lost the Obama coalition and failed, I think they may be doing a little bit more listening and less fundraising.
Crooked Albinopolis thinks he’s white when he can’t be white. Can’t ever be white because White people can’t be Muslims. Crooked Albinopolis is a Muslim. So he’s not white. Sad! He never talks about how bigly the Republicans sell out their own kind. Albinopolis and his sock-puppet troll friends are don’t understand how bad the two-party system – believe me.
on Sun Feb 11th 2018 at 05:11:59 Afrofem
It was mildly amusing to see A-polis squirm and lash out with tired anti-Black propaganda in his effort to avoid answering one simple question.
“Crooked” A-polis indeed.
on Sun Feb 11th 2018 at 11:01:46 Herneith
In actuality, these replies and recycled tropes show just how stupid and unoriginal they are. It’s not even funny anymore. Please, white supremacists, be more original!
on Tue Mar 6th 2018 at 04:05:04 Turkey
this map is wrong… im turkish very pale blonde guy and have blonde family, muslims can be white too… turkey is multi ethnic country there is browns asians and whites in country… iif u go close to middle east u will see brown looking people if u go towards west u will see white people,
also kosova,bosnia, albania,south africa shud be white too … albania kosova should be dark blue and south africa turkey should be medium…
israel should be medium too they are so mixed like turkey aswell so many brown and white people together.
you are linking religion to skin color which is wrong…
(i see comments saying white supramacy hurts white ppl and white ppl wanna be white)
lmao its funny you say that, my problem here is that ppl think turkey is like arab country and have camels and deserts or speak arabic and shit..
but its wrong we dont have desert or camels, we dont speak arabic.
we ”turks” in turkey arent even turk anymore we lost our genetics, look at real other turk countries they are all asian, turkish ppl are just like so many ethnic groups got mixed and live under 1 flag, turkey country is not nation its just a flag tbh.. cause when u walk at street u will see asian looking ppl brown ppl white ppl all call theirself turkish.
+im not muslim, pretty sure half of turkey isnt muslim too.. they just write muslim in your id when you born and you can get rid of it when u grow up but no one cares to change ur religionon paper cause it means nothing xD
if u look at me and my non religious friends ids it says muslim on all
if you still dont wantto call blonde turkish white, i dont wantto be white anyway but dont call me or put me in brown arab section or anything too just call me turkish then.
im not saying we are european or we are middle eastern asian or african.
we are just all of them
on Tue Mar 6th 2018 at 12:37:07 Herneith
The article doesn’t state that Islam is a race. That would be like stating Catholicism is a race. Where does the article state this? I am not referring to ensuing commentary either.
on Tue Mar 6th 2018 at 17:14:16 Afrofem
@ Turkey
Good point. Probably the only good point you made.
The rest of your statements are half truths at best.
on Tue Mar 6th 2018 at 20:48:03 eick74
Abalone said this in the original post.
“Albania and Kosovo are mostly Muslim so they do not count as white”
on Tue Mar 6th 2018 at 21:22:33 abagond
@ eick74
Gee, why the need to insult me by getting my name wrong?
on Wed Mar 7th 2018 at 16:00:57 eick74
Sorry, blame it on autocorrect and not paying enough attention.
on Fri Mar 9th 2018 at 14:58:48 Herneith
You have your fellow ‘Europeans’ for labelling you and your fellow Albanians thus. He, ‘Abalone’ alludes to that.
Whos Abalone?
on Fri Mar 9th 2018 at 16:24:27 eick74
Please dont make assumptions about me. I am not Albanian. I do not consider myself European except by ancestry.
You said the article did not say that Islam was a race but Abagond did indeed say in the article that he was excluding them because they were Muslim.
My apologies. Now, who is Abalone?
on Fri Mar 9th 2018 at 17:45:30 Solitaire
True, he does say that, but I don’t see anywhere in the article where he explicitly states Islam is a race.
What he does say is this: “For this map two kinds of people are [white]: …Those who belong to an ethnic group that is historically Christian or Jewish, with roots in West Eurasia”
He also talks about how he tried different definitions before settling on the two he chose to use for the map, which he calls a “general approximation.”
To me, all of that taken together shows he is aware of the arbitrariness of the definitions he chose for the map. If anything, it points out how nebulous the concept of whiteness really is.
The truth is, most of the white people in predominately Christian countries consider Muslims as “other”. All this map does is reflect that mindset. It does not necessarily condone it.
Abalone was autocorrect on my phone mistakenly correcting Abagond and me not noticing it. I said that and apologized to Abagond about it above. There was no offense intended.
on Tue Apr 3rd 2018 at 18:52:12 Albanian
You are a stupid ignorant, because the whole world knows that Albanians are white race and they have a christian history.
Today the most Albanians dont give a fuck about religions, so they are agnostics and athesits.
I am 100% sure that this “Abagond“ is a serbian psychopathic liar.
on Wed Apr 4th 2018 at 03:28:18 Paige
Lol, I hope someone calls me a Serbian psychopathic liar someday.
on Wed Apr 4th 2018 at 09:28:41 Solitaire
“Today the most Albanians dont give a fuck about religions”
But clearly they still give a big f-ck about race.
on Wed Apr 4th 2018 at 14:04:21 Herneith
Not only that, a dyed-in-the-wool shopaholic. Which is worse? Discuss!
on Wed Apr 4th 2018 at 23:13:29 Erri
Abalesh, you classified Albanians as non white? you are a fucking mad!? Have you never seen an Albanian or never been there. Do you know that the Albanian are in Europe even before Greeks. Don’t write shit because you don’t know a shit. If there wasn’t the Albanians with Skanderbeg to stop the Turks, now Europe was going to be called Europistan. O go away you cow 😠😠😠
on Thu Apr 5th 2018 at 16:09:27 hahahaa
hey Abagond , you serbians are “white” !?
on Thu Apr 5th 2018 at 16:39:55 Alban
every person defends him self when someone lies about him … no matter what kind of lies. so do not make a fool of yourself.
@ Paige
yea, you are glad if ever someone talks to you 😉
on Thu Apr 5th 2018 at 17:11:11 v8driver
Wow it’s a troll trap, it just takes one i guess.
on Thu Apr 5th 2018 at 17:17:25 Solitaire
Interesting how so many of them assume Abagond is a Serb or some other close neighbor with whom the Albanians have bad history. Makes me wonder how often they lob “you’re not white” at each other as an insult in that part of the world.
on Thu Apr 5th 2018 at 17:28:49 abagond
LOOOOL. I must be Serbian because only a Serbian would think so little of Albanians as to call them non-White?
If you look at the rest of my blog you might notice I do not hold a particularly high opinion of White people. They wiped out people on two and a half continents (as shown by the map itself) and enslaved millions of Black people. They are worse than the Mongols. So if anyone should be offended by my map it should be Serbs, not Albanians.
Here is my basic take on White people:
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/white-people/
@ Albanian readers (and anyone else who wants to answer)
Are Turks White? Why or why not?
If Turks are NOT White, then why are Albanians White?
If Turks ARE White, then where in Asia and Africa do you draw the line between White people and everyone else? If you walk from Albania to Kenya, where do White people end and Black or Brown people begin?
These are the questions I had to answer to make this map. And they are the questions that people who do not like my map have yet to answer. Calling me names might be emotionally satisfying, but it leaves the map unchanged.
Some of us are blessed, others not.
on Thu Apr 5th 2018 at 18:48:01 Erri
Albanians are not the same as Turks. Is like saying that Algerians are the same as French or Indians are the same as English. Albanians have fight with Turks for 500 years.
@ Erri
now he compares us to turks hahahaaa
he talks the same bullshit like serbian politicians.
but it is very interesting how many idiots protect his garbage …
PS.: let the idiot talk idiotic things to other idiots … they have found each other tsehehehe
“Albanians are not the same as Turks.”
Where did anyone here say that Albanians are the same as Turks?
That’s the problem, you do not understand.
My reaction has nothing to do with racism, but with the fact that he is a liar and claims false things. Understand it.
PS .: Albanians are NOT a muslim nation and they are white. That’s a fact. (Albanians are the most tolerant people in the world to races, religions, nations, etc.)
on Thu Apr 5th 2018 at 22:38:04 Afrofem
These comments by alleged Albanians about their “White” status are real howlers! The frequency and intensity of their outrage shows how marginal they really are to the the general European/White population.
Also highlights how potent a drug “Whiteness” is for millions of beige people.
At least I’m not Black or African….sniff!
on Fri Apr 6th 2018 at 03:50:16 abagond
@ Albanian
Why is it so important that you be considered White? This is the part that I do not get.
on Fri Apr 6th 2018 at 12:44:08 Herneith
Neither does he.
on Fri Apr 6th 2018 at 16:34:01 Alban
Because the Albanians are white, and not green or blue or other colors from the fantasy of a mentally disturbed person on the internet who (for any sick intention that he will not say) has made so much effort to produce such a stupid map where he makes a fool of himself by insist the opposite of reality about the Albanians.
I know it’s very hard for you and your “friends” to understand such “complicated things”, but don’t worry, time clears everything up. if not this year then in 50 years you will get it.
Bye and take care of yourself, you are really not well.
on Fri Apr 6th 2018 at 17:16:22 Open Minded Observer
This discussion really sums it all up doesn’t it? Since race is a made up social construct that was invented to belittle others, then it’s never up to a person to decide their own race. I’m only called White because others around me perceive me to be. Rachel Dolezal tried/is trying to declare herself Black or transracial, but it’s not up to her. Trevor Noah may have identified as Black, but was often perceived differently based on where he grew up… None of us gets to choose our race, it is chosen for us by idiotic group-think.
So, Abagond’s map is Abagond’s map. Alban, Erri, me, and all of us can all create our own maps based on our own definitions of “Whiteness”… at the end of the day, it’s all just made up… unfortunately, with very real consequences. We’ve all bought into it, which is why we’re arguing the Whiteness of Albanians… Honestly, arguing for recognition as White because you perceive non-Whites as inferior based on the made up concept of race… Sounds pretty White to me.
on Fri Apr 6th 2018 at 17:44:24 Solitaire
@ Alban
What is the race of the girl on the left?
If you were making a map of white people, obviously you would include Albania as a white-majority country.
Fine. But you still haven’t answered the question of where you would place the dividing line on your map.
Would you include Turkey? Greece? Serbia? Croatia? Lebanon? Syria? Egypt? Israel?
And what would you base your decision on?
on Fri Apr 6th 2018 at 17:56:34 Mary Burrell
Wow, all this vitriol over Abagond’s map and the discourse of “whiteness “ and Albanians is quite interesting to say the least. The negative responses to who is white and who isn’t says a lot about how being “white” is coveted on the European hierarchy of White Supremacy.
How to argue like Alban:
#1. I am right because I say so.
#2. If you disagree then you are an idiot.
#3. Duck all questions.
#4, Call people names.
“Albanians are the most tolerant people in the world to races”
Right. You’re on a predominantly black blog calling black people idiots, fools, mentally ill, etc. over an issue concerning race. How is that tolerant?
Such idiotic maps makes only racists like you all. (you are black racists that copy white racists … white racists, black racist, yellow racists, red racists; you all have exactly the same stupid mentality. You are all a shame of mankind)
I’am sorry, but your consciousness is too deep and your intellect too limited to discuss scientifically. It feels for me like I talk to a wall.
How do you imagine an intellectual discussion with me, when for you it’s all “greek” what I have said so far !?
Once you become civilized and live in the 21st century and dont copy more white racist from 18-19 century, then we can discuss about smart things.
PS.: I have many dark-skinned friends, very good friends from africa and asia, but I do not say that they are “not dark-skinned” and “nonreligious” like me, and they do not say about me i am “not white” and “muslim” or “christian” or “hindus” or “buddhist”, because we are not stupid and retarded racists and extremists. We acept us so like we are. Finish.
Ah one more thing, I dont want that you think like me and my acquaintances, I just want that you think.
on Fri Apr 6th 2018 at 20:28:58 gro jo
Alban baby, unlike mean old Abagond and his friends, let me reassure you that you and your people are white. Latin for white, as Abagond knows all too well, is Albus. Albania, no doubt a derivation like albumen, etc., by definition, probably means Land of the Whites, i.e. you and yours, just as Kmt, the name of ancient Egypt, meant land of the blacks. I hope that reassures you of your whiteness and you will move on to more productive fields where you won’t be the butt of cruel jokes as you’ve endured here.
People, we must have compassion for even our ‘Alban’ brothers.
Alban baby, you need to develop a sense of humor. Just a thought.
Accept the people so like mother nature had made them. Please.
Otherwise I do not know what I should say to such people like you.
Now we’re veering into “Some of my best friends are black” territory, along with a good dose of “Talking about race is racist!”
gro jo: “Alban baby, you need to develop a sense of humor. Just a thought.”
yea you are so right … why the f*ck I take seriously such people and dont laugh at them …
maybe because I perceive their pain that they really need someone to talk to them. tsehehehehe
on Sat Apr 7th 2018 at 03:38:20 sharinalr
@Alban
Please by all means highlight this intellectual conversation you were attempting to have? So far you did a great job at name calling and I applaud you, but don’t claim to be something or doing something I doubt you could accomplish.
FYI gro jo was making fun of you and if you didn’t catch that then please don’t proclaim ever to speak on intellect.
on Sat Apr 7th 2018 at 13:04:14 Herneith
How about: Do you want a cup of coffee, I’m paying?
on Sun Apr 29th 2018 at 19:36:04 Albanian86
Albanians are whiter than greeks and bulgars yet you havent included them because 50% are muslim? Douche. We are the one single people who has taken the biggest bladt of an inadin non-white force in the 1400s, and saved entire europe from islamization by the ottomans. Even if we were hindus, obly because of that historic fact, you should included us. Our language is the springboard to ALL european languages… this makes me sad. Shame on you.
on Sun Apr 29th 2018 at 22:07:01 Afrofem
@ Albanian86
Shame on you for beating the bones of a dead horse.
Go stuff you face with some Fëgesë or Tavë Kosi. If you were really White, Albanian86, you and your comrades would laugh at this post and move on.
All of this kvetching from various Albanians means that you are not secure in your own skin.
You are the ones not sure of your own Whiteness. No one cares about this issue but you.
Poseurs!!!
“Even if we were hindus, obly because of that historic fact, you should included us.”
Well, that statement was a dead giveaway to the racism behind this commenter’s argument.
Why “even if we were hindus”? Why not include the Hindus? If anything, Sanskrit has a much stronger claim to be “the springboard to ALL european languages.”
on Sun May 13th 2018 at 21:33:55 Rober Blanche
Excellent information. Do you have information regarding the amount contributed to the world economy by white people?
on Mon May 14th 2018 at 13:39:16 Herneith
@Rober :
Nice try, LOL!
on Mon May 21st 2018 at 21:33:27 Mariana
I don´t know, white in Latin America has a completely different meaning countries like Chile, Costa Rica, Argentina, Uruguay and Puerto Rico have large “white” populations but most of them are mixed but predominately european, around 58% of argentines have some degree of native american blood, the average costa rican is 70% white, 25% native and 5% black, most white cubans live now in the USA and black, mulatoes and mixed are now majority back in the island, something similar happened with Puerto Rico and Uruguay has a lot of black heritage but they try to hide it by all means, the Americas is a mixed continent, most of “white” americans are also mixed, Obama was not even black for latin american terms, he was a mulato-mixed-average guy in Dominicana.
on Tue May 22nd 2018 at 00:00:55 Afrofem
@ Mariana
Where did you get your percentages for race in Costa Rica?
They don’t represent the Costa Ricans I’ve met.
on Tue May 22nd 2018 at 02:12:49 abagond
The Americas are mostly based on self-identification in polls and censuses. As pointed out in the post:
If the map was based on, say, a non-Hispanic White person in the US judging pictures of random people from different countries, then the Americas, even the US itself, would probably be much less White than is shown on this map.
on Tue May 22nd 2018 at 04:07:18 sharinalr
Rober Blanche
Only if that amount is minus what was stolen from others.
@ Rober Blanche
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/how-white-america-got-rich/
on Sun Jul 22nd 2018 at 13:43:39 Klevis Dine
Well its obvious that for some reason you hate Albanians, but even with your categories you’re wrong. In Albania there are over 30-40% christians, So atleast make them light blue.
on Mon Jul 23rd 2018 at 12:32:34 Solitaire
@ Klevis Dine
“Well its obvious that for some reason you hate Albanians”
Why, because he categorizes them as non-white?
on Mon Jul 23rd 2018 at 18:13:05 A Russian Nagpo
Now, quite ironically, this map reminds me somehow of an artwork stylized as a Russian map with a writing ‘The Great Beautiful Russia’ and pejorative names for other nations and countries around it.
It’s a pity that the artwork has been prohibited by a Russian court as ‘extremist propaganda’.
on Tue Nov 6th 2018 at 12:15:26 potato
who ever created this didnt go unviersity
on Tue Nov 6th 2018 at 12:19:45 arab looking jews wanna be white its funny
israel is white im dead xD
on Tue Nov 6th 2018 at 14:32:17 Paige
@ potato
Actually, the person who created this went to an Ivy League university. Meanwhile, you managed to make six errors in the span of one sentence.
Your comment should read, “Whoever created this didn’t go to university.” The first letter of a sentence is always capitalized. “Whoever” is one word. “Didn’t” contains an apostrophe. You completely forgot the word “to”. Your spelling of “university” didn’t even make phonetic sense. Finally, you forgot a period at the end of your sentence.
I literally know elementary schoolers who write better than you, including some who don’t speak English as a first language. Come back and comment when you’ve passed the first grade – or don’t, since I doubt anyone will miss you.
on Tue Jan 15th 2019 at 23:32:48 Burrel
Fuck off you dickhead you must be some slavic prick what you mean Albanians are not because they are Muslim why don’t you go and put some stocking and thongs on and then a big dildo up ur fucking asshole you racist fuck we Albanians we are the only white race with big dicks
^^ NOT to be confused with Mary Burrell.
on Wed Jan 16th 2019 at 02:02:28 Solitaire
I’m so glad you added that disclaimer, LOL!!!
on Wed Jan 16th 2019 at 11:59:16 Mary Burrell
@Abagond: Please check out that Burrel person. I don’t spell my name like that. Probably a Russian troll or bot.
on Wed Jan 16th 2019 at 13:40:10 Herneith
LOL, his obscenities are almost as bad as mine!
I really want him to provide the empirical data for this claim:
“we are the only white race with big dicks”
ROFLMAO!
on Wed Jan 16th 2019 at 17:22:16 Alberto Monteiro
This biggus dickus troll reminded me of an old brazilian joke
A girl was reading a magazine that stated that black men had the biggest “guns”. A white man who was nearby approaches and says:
– Excuse me, but this statistics is innacurate
– What do you mean?
– There are two nonblack groups who have even bigger “documents” than blacks
– Who are they?
– Native brazilians and Jews
They chat a lot, and the man impresses the girl with his knowledge of biology, anatomy, anthropoly and biostatistics. When they depart, the girl asks:
– So glad to meet you. But I don’t know your name!
– Ubirajara Rosenstein
on Fri Jan 18th 2019 at 12:20:40 Gjon
Allbania is white, majority AND historically Christian. We probably are probably under the top 10 contributors of European civilization. We’ve lived in Europe for over 3,500 years! Simply awful and misleading.
on Fri Jan 18th 2019 at 12:27:27 Herneith
Simply awful and misleading.
What, the fact that they have the biggest dirks or their 3500 years of history?
on Tue Feb 5th 2019 at 12:15:39 Adel
Race has nothing to do with religion ! Your mind is a mess ! You have decided that peoples from North Africa, Middle East and from some parts of Europe are non-white juste because they are muslm : this is bullshit ! The white race includes Europeans, North Africains and middle-easterners as well whatever the culture or the religion ….
on Tue Feb 19th 2019 at 16:37:36 Albert Kreshi
I’m so confused as to why you don’t classify Albanians or Bosnians as white. Both of these people have European and Christian ancestry. The difference is a lot of these people were converted to Islam as a result of the ottoman empire. Plus I should mention that Albanians/Bosnains are quite secular people too! So your map is just incorrect in this regard 100%.
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Thanks, very intersting.
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NBA suspends season due to coronavirus
The league had discussed playing empty arena games.
ByMark Osborne
NBA suspends season after Utah Jazz player gets coronavirus
The NBA announced it will take this hiatus to assess how to move forward amid coronavirus after Rudy Gobert tested positive moments before the Jazz was set to tipoff against Oklahoma City Thunder.
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The NBA has suspended its season due to the novel coronavirus outbreak.
The announcement came after a confusing mid-game suspension of play between the Utah Jazz and Oklahoma City Thunder. The NBA announced a player tested positive for coronavirus, and said it will now be indefinitely halting games following Wednesday night's schedule.
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"The NBA announced that a player on the Utah Jazz has preliminarily tested positive for COVID-19<' the league said in a statement. "The test result was reported shortly prior to the tip-off of tonight’s game between the Jazz and Oklahoma City Thunder at Chesapeake Energy Arena. At that time, tonight’s game was canceled. The affected player was not in the arena."
"The NBA is suspending game play following the conclusion of tonight’s schedule of games until further notice," it added. "The NBA will use this hiatus to determine next steps for moving forward in regard to the coronavirus pandemic."
A message on the video score board informs fans the Oklahoma City Thunder game against the Utah Jazz on March 11, 2020, has been postponed. Teams were told to go to the locker rooms just before tip off at Chesapeake Energy Arena.
ESPN NBA reporter Adrian Wojnarowski reported Rudy Gobert was the player from the Jazz who tested positive. The center was an All Star for Utah in 2020.
The league had discussed playing games in empty arenas, a decision star LeBron James previously had spoken out against.
"Man we cancelling sporting events, school, office work, etc etc. What we really need to cancel is 2020!" James tweeted following the news of the league-wide suspension. "Damn it’s been a rough 3 months. God bless and stay safe."
Likely future NBA Hall of Famer Vince Carter was planning to retire at the end of the season, which could mean his career abruptly ended Wednesday.
"I'm appreciative," Carter said, fighting back tears during a post-game press conference. "... The game's been good."
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Atlanta Hawks guard Vince Carter (15) wavs to the crowd as he leaves the court following an NBA basketball game against the New York Knicks Wednesday, March 11, 2020, in Atlanta. (
"Such a weird night but I am truly thankful for each and every person during this 22yr journey," Carter later tweeted. "If this is really it, I thank everyone for your love and support for all these years."
On Wednesday, Golden State Warriors guard Steph Curry responded to reports games at the Chase Center in San Francisco would be played without fans after the mayor banned gatherings over 1,000 people.
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Most NBA teams had about 15 to 20 games left. The regular season was set to end April 15 with the playoffs to begin three days later.
The NCAA said earlier in the day that all of its basketball tournament games would be played without fans.
ABC News' Emily Shapiro and William Mansell contributed to this report.
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The 20 best movies of 2016 Bashny.Net
In 2016, the cinema has become almost omnipotent — able special effects to put the actors in any of the body and circumstances. But the movie, which holds only one acting, it did not become less exciting.
The website has collected the best films of the year in one list. Envy, if you some of them missed, and a nice view!
Arrival Arrival
IMDB — 8.3, "Kinopoisk" — 7.8
On Earth the aliens arrive, their intentions are unknown: 12 huge spaceships just hovering above the planet's surface. A linguist and polyglot, Louise banks and physicist Ian Donnelly climb on one of the ships to try to establish contact with aliens.
One of the most successful contemporary filmmakers Denis Villeneuve made a film on the story of one of the strongest of modern science fiction — "Stories of your life" by Ted Chan. Amy Adams was the pinnacle of this great triangle, brilliantly playing the role of Louisa banks.
Fantastic beasts and where they live Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them
Magical universe Rowling is cluttered with new details. For 70 years before the events of the Saga about Harry Potter MAG-zoologist newt Scamander (Eddie Redmayne) arrives in new York with a suitcase full of magical creatures. They accidentally run away and catch him help the girl-mrakobes Tina Goldstein, her frivolous witch-sister Queenie, and not too bright, but cute Muggle Jacob.
When the Magical Congress of the office for North America discovers that the animals belong to Newt, he finds himself in danger after all, because the Muggles can discover the magical world.
This film is only the first part of a larger story, all films will be five.
Captain Fantastic Captain Fantastic
The father (Viggo Mortensen) raising his six children in the woods, away from the pernicious influence of civilization. They know how to hunt and handle weapons, speak several languages and versed in physics and philosophy. But once the whole family is forced to go into the city, and for this test, children are not ready.
The film is multi-layered and delicate, a little sentimental, but not devoid of black humor. It is about the need to keep promises, even if you need to get someone out of the ground, and if your principles don't work, you will have to invent new ones.
Doctor Strange Doctor Strange
IMDB — 7.9, "IMDb" — 7.7
The accident forced the talented neurosurgeon Stephen Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch) to put an end to his career. Not believing in any magical forces he sets off on a journey for healing, meets Elder (Tilda Swinton) and becomes her apprentice. He discovers his ability to move between dimensions and transforms into a powerful mage that protects the earth from evil.
Despite the fact that it is traditionally a bright and dynamic kynoselen Marvel blockbuster with cool special effects, its main idea is childishly simple: believe in miracles.
The first avenger: the Confrontation between Captain America: Civil War
The last operation Avengers ends with devastation on an international scale. Then the government decides to adopt the document on registration of superheroes and the control over their activities. Tony stark and some of the other heroes agree to sign it, and Steve Roger and those who supported him. Between the Avengers, the war begins. It decides to use the mysterious Baron Zemo to carry out their sinister plans.
Fans of Marvel superhero theme this time certainly not disappointed — that there is one final battle at the airport!
Allies Allied
In 1942, the British agent Max Watan (brad pitt) during a dangerous mission in Casablanca, meets a member of the resistance, the French Marianne (Marion Cotillard). Their romance develops into a happy marriage, the couple a child is born. And suddenly, max reported that his wife may be a spy. To figure out if this is, he's got 72 hours.
Sophisticated and beautiful military drama took the author of the legendary trilogy "Back to the future" by Robert Zemeckis.
Deadpool Deadpool
Former mercenary Wade Wilson (Ryan Reynolds) encounters at the bar, the beautiful Vanessa (Morena, Baccarin). The case goes to the wedding, but Wilson has cancer. Participation in a secret experiment, which he agrees, hoping to recover, disfiguring him. Wilson dons a mask and becomes Dedpula. He wants revenge on the scientist Francis (ed Skrein), who led the experiment.
Despite the grim storyline, "Deadpool" movie is light and funny, though without blood, of course, has not done.
Under cover of night, Nocturnal Animals
Susan (Amy Adams) is happily married and owns her own art gallery in Los Angeles. Suddenly she receives in the mail a package from my ex-husband (Jake Gyllenhaal) — he asks her to read his new novel. So on the screen the real heroes begin to live parallel with the fictional, and the book itself turns out to be a revenge delayed for many years.
The second film of designer Tom Ford turned out beautiful and brutal and will definitely bring pleasure to fans of "be afraid".
For reasons of conscience Hacksaw Ridge
After a 10-year hiatus, Mel Gibson returned to directing and made a film based on real events. The second world war, a medic, a pacifist, Desmond Doss (Andrew Garfield) is a volunteer, but for religious reasons refuses to take up arms. And unarmed he is in the Inferno. Doss has not made a single shot, but carried from the battlefield wounded and 75 were awarded the medal of Honor.
It's a great movie that principles are stronger than circumstances. Poignant love story, and Sam Worthington ("Avatar"), who returned to his duties (and both his legs are), add to the pleasure of viewing.
Social life of the Café Society
1930-ies, the Golden era of Hollywood. Pretty boy Bobby Dorfman (Jesse Eisenberg) arrives in Los Angeles in search of work. It hires uncle, and he quickly joins the Hollywood life and falls in love with the uncle's Secretary, Veronica (Kristen Stewart). The girl has a mysterious boyfriend, whom Bobby had never seen.
A woody Allen film with a traditional voice-over — atmospheric and light movie, and even the flood of people in concrete brother is gangster Bobby seems somehow charming.
Nice guys The Nice Guys
Los Angeles, 1977, a private detective and the father of 13-year-old girl Holland March (Ryan Gosling) is forced to investigate the death of the girl, along with a hired bruiser Jackson Healy (Russell Crowe). Rather than demonstrating a perfect torso Gosling regularly hysterical, and Crowe methodically gives everyone in the face. And really funny.
The jungle book The Jungle Book
The tale of the boy raised by wolves, they know everything. But the technical perfection of "the jungle Book" is amazing. The heroes of Kipling's created using computer graphics that look like live, as their faces are different human facial expressions. The voice acting is solid star. Scarlett Johansson "played" boa, Idris Elba is Shere Khan, and Ben Kingsley is Bagheera.
Rogue-one. Star wars: the history of the Rogue One
The eighth film of the Saga "Star wars" spin-off, which takes place between the third and fourth episodes. The resistance is gathering force in order to steal the blueprints of the "death Star", battle station of the galactic Empire. At the head of the squad — fearless gene of ERSO (felicity Jones). As always, at stake is the fate of the Galaxy.
Mr Church Mr. Church
Incredibly kind, warm and moving film. Mother Mary is terminally ill and hiding it from his daughter. Suddenly in their life there is a black cook who will cook for them the next six months. Little Charlie first refers to the hostile stranger. But Mr Church will be there, even in the most difficult moments.
Miracle on the Hudson Sully
Pilot Chesley Sullenberger (Tom Hanks) makes an emergency landing the plane right on the water of the Hudson river in new York. On Board were 150 people, does not hurt either one. "Sally" becomes an American hero, he is invited on television shows and worn on the hands, and at that time starts an investigation, which threatens the reputation of the pilot.
The scene of the disaster (the plane hit a flock of geese) gives you shivers, especially if you know that the movie is based on real events of 2009.
Disgusting eight The Hateful Eight
Yes, the film is shot in 2015, but rolling out in 2016. the American Western, directed by Quentin Tarantino, occurs shortly after the Civil war in the United States. Bounty hunter John Ruth nicknamed the Hangman accompanies the prisoner to the place of execution. Snow storm forces them to take refuge in a shopping store, a restaurant, along with a very motley company. And one of them is not who he says he is.
The ghostly beauty of Collateral Beauty
Deep film, makes us think about eternal values. New York ad man Howard (will Smith) after a personal tragedy, falls into a depression. Colleagues are trying to help him and Howard begins to write letters to the people and concepts. Soon Death (Helen Mirren), Love (keira Knightley) and Time (Jacob Latimore) actually appear in his life.
Zeropolis Zootopia
Cartoons now don't end with childhood. Animated film in wide distribution in no way inferior to feature films, earning not only millions at the box office, but also the love of spectators of all ages.
Zeropolis is populated by humanoid animals, and in the center of the plot is a charming minx Judy.. She realized her dream of becoming a police officer, but instead of catching criminals prescribes penalties for illegal Parking. Lis-con man Nick Wilde and Judy helps to solve a complicated case, because otherwise she faces dismissal from the police.
In finding Dory Finding Dory
Dori — fish-surgeon who is suffering memory lapses. Once she embarks on a journey to find his parents in a California aquarium. Help her Nemo and his friends.
"Finding Dory" — the most successful cartoon in the entire history of American animation. It grossed $ 486 million
Moana Moana
The daughter of a tribal chief, living on a small island in the Pacific ocean, name is Moana, and she was from childhood fascinated by the ocean. She dreams of adventure and goes on a dangerous sea voyage to find the person demigod named Maui and get him to return the magical stone.
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1 Samuel Chapter 15
1 Samuel 15:1 “Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee [to be] king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.”
When and where he said to him what follows, it is not easy to determine, perhaps at Gilgal, where they had met again.
“The Lord sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel”: That is, he gave him orders to anoint him king of Israel, otherwise Saul was in providence sent to Samuel to be anointed, and not Samuel to Saul.
“Now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the Lord”: For so great a favor, and such high honor he had conferred on him, laid him under great obligation to obey the commands of the Lord. Whereas he had been deficient in one instance before, for which he had been reproved, he suggests, that now he should take care to observe and do, particularly and punctually, what should be entrusted him.
It seems as though Saul has rebelled so much at the exacting will of the LORD, that Samuel reminds Saul here that he is king, because the Lord made him king. Samuel tries to convince Saul, that the most important thing to do is obey the will and the Word of God. We are not to question the will of God. We must obey completely, not just the part we like. Listen carefully to the will of God and do exactly what He says, is the message of this first verse.
Verses 2-3: The command to “utterly destroy” the enemy was reserved for nations that rebelled against all things holy. This was God’s most severe judgment, and it stopped the spread of pagan practices among God’s chosen people (e.g., Deut. 20:16-17; Joshua 6:17, 21).
1 Samuel 15:2 “Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember [that] which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid [wait] for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.”
“Amalek”: The Amalekites, a nomadic people of the desert and descendants of Esau (Gen. 36:12), became a marked people when they attacked Israel in the wilderness after leaving Egypt (see notes on Exodus 17:8-16; compare Num. 24:20; Deut. 25:19; Judges 6:3-5).
The Amalekites had been a vicious group of people, opposed to the Israelites from the beginning of their journey to the Promised Land. They were desert people, who lived in tents. They were nomads. They had a bad reputation for stealing and marauding.
1 Samuel 15:3 “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”
“Utterly destroy”: God gave Saul an opportunity to redeem himself with obedience. The judgment was to be a complete and total annihilation of anything that breathed. God’s judgment was severe on those who would destroy His people. It was equally severe to those who disobeyed (Achan in Joshua 7:10-26).
Total annihilation of the enemy is demanded here (see the note on Joshua 6:17).
This seems like such a cruel thing to do, but we must not question the intentions of God. He wanted to wipe out this evil, before it spread to His people (the Israelites). The reason He did not want any of the animals saved was simply that He did not want the Israelites to have war for personal gain. This was a holy war called for by the LORD Himself. This was a war for cleansing the land. He wanted to purge the land of even the memory of the Amalekites.
1 Samuel 15:4 “And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.”
“Telaim”: The precise location of this area is unknown, but it may be a reference to Telem (found in Joshua 15:24).
These Bedouins were probably more trouble to Judah, than to the others. Judah just had 10,000 footmen, and that would not be enough to destroy the Amalekites by themselves. The 200,000 footmen came from the other tribes. Telaim was a place where sheep were gathered. This meeting was not in town then.
1 Samuel 15:5 “And Saul came to a city of Amalek, and laid wait in the valley.”
“A city of Amalek”: This was possibly modern-day Tel Masos located about 7 miles east southeast of Beer-sheba.
Ir-amalek was the only known city of the Amalekites. He did not go in and immediately destroy the village, as the LORD had told him to do. It seems that Saul was headstrong. He did not take instructions well, even if they were from the LORD.
1 Samuel 15:6 “And Saul said unto the Kenites, Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye showed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites.”
The “Kenites” are spared because of their protracted kindness toward “Israel” (see the note on Judges 1:16).
Moses’ father-in-law was a Kenite (Judges 1:16), a people friendly to the Israelites.
It is not apparent whether he gave them warning before the battle started, or whether it was during the battle. We just know he allowed the Kenites to go free. We also see that their kindness to the Israelites was the reason the Kenites were saved.
Verses 7-11: Against Samuel’s instructions (15:3), Saul “spared Agag and the best” of the livestock and then kept the choice animals for himself. This selfishness, outright rebellion against God’s law, and disregard for His holiness caused God to “regret” making Saul king. God did not say His decision was a mistake, He knew all long what Saul would do. Rather, God expressed grief over the sins of Saul and the effect they had on Israel (see note on 15:29).
1 Samuel 15:7 “And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah [until] thou comest to Shur, that [is] over against Egypt.”
“From Havilah … to Shur”: Saul’s victory was extensive, covering much of the Amalekite territory. However, the Amalekites were not completely destroyed (27:8; 30:1).
They were nomads, so they had to hunt them down to kill them. They were scattered from Havilah to Shur. They were scattered so much that they reached almost to Egypt.
Verses 8-9: Saul’s actions were in clear violation of the divine sanctions against Amalek (see the note on 1 Chron. 10:13-14).
1 Samuel 15:8 “And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.”
“Agag”: Another example of Saul’s incomplete obedience, in the cast of Agag, is recorded because it had such far-reaching implications. Over 5 centuries later an Agagite named Haman attempted to exterminate the Jewish race from his power base in Persia (Esther 3:1).
“All the people”: The Israelites killed everyone they came across, except for the king.
The LORD told him to kill everyone. This was not keeping the commandments of the LORD to the fullest. Saul was a great earthly king, but we would have to question how he fared with the things of the Spirit. It seemed as if he could just not do exactly what God told him to do. He did most of what God told him to do, but he would not keep every detail. He was rebellious against God in this.
1 Samuel 15:9 “But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all [that was] good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing [that was] vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly.”
“Saul and the people spared”: Motivated by covetousness, both Saul and the people greedily spared the choice spoil of the land, disobeying God’s Word and demonstrating their faithlessness.
This is a direct disobedience of God. Saul killed only the animals that are second best, and kept the best for himself. This was not what the LORD had said to do. Saul had disobeyed the LORD, again. He had been partly obedient, but he had not been totally obedient. Obedience is better than sacrifice.
1 Samuel 15:10 “Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying,”
The word of prophecy, as the Targum; this came to him in a dream or vision, or by an articulate voice: saying; as follows.
1 Samuel 15:11 “It repenteth me that I have set up Saul [to be] king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.”
“It grieved Samuel”: Samuel’s role as priest over the people gave him great concern over the poor performance of the king, who was like the kings of other nations (1 Sam. 6:19-20); i.e., self-centered, self-willed, and utterly disobedient to the things of God.
God’s regret is an expression drawn from human experience. Yet, the “Lord” was doubtless “grieved” because of Saul’s disobedience. However, such characteristics do not indicate weakness or changeability in the divine will (James 1:17; see the note on 15:29 below).
Samuel was the moral, or spiritual, leader of Israel at this time. The LORD had told Samuel specifically what Saul was to do in the destruction of the Amalekites. Saul listened, but undoubtedly did not take the details serious enough to carry through. Now the LORD is speaking through Samuel again. Saul had failed nearly every test the LORD had given him. Saul was headstrong. He felt there was always a better way to do things, than to obey the explicit will of the LORD. He had not performed the commandments the LORD had given him through Samuel. He had spared Agag alive. He also saved the very best of all of the animals. Samuel was so grieved when he heard this about Saul that he cried all night unto the LORD.
1 Samuel 15:12 “And when Samuel rose early to meet Saul in the morning, it was told Samuel, saying, Saul came to Carmel, and, behold, he set him up a place, and is gone about, and passed on, and gone down to Gilgal.”
“Carmel”: This is not Mt. Carmel of Elijah fame (1 Kings 18:20), but a Carmel located 7 miles south of Hebron.
“He sat him up a place”: Saul, apparently taking credit for the victory, established a monument to himself (Absalom in 2 Sam. 18:18). This foolish act of contemptible pride was Saul’s expression of self-worship rather than true worship of God and another evidence of his spiritual weakness.
“Gilgal”: The site of Samuel’s first confrontation with Saul (13:7b-15), became the site of this pronouncement of judgment.
We see from this, Saul did not report back to Samuel. He probably knew that Samuel would be displeased with what he had done. Samuel expected him to come back to him, and report about the victory. He did not however. Saul returned to Gilgal, which is several days’ journey from Samuel’s home.
1 Samuel 15:13 “And Samuel came to Saul: and Saul said unto him, Blessed [be] thou of the LORD: I have performed the commandment of the LORD.”
“I have performed the commandment of the Lord”: Saul, either ignorantly or deceitfully, maintained that he did what was commanded (15:20).
If he kept the commandment, why did he not come and tell Samuel? Why did Samuel have to look for him? Saul had kept part of the commandments of the Lord. He really had kept the commandments that were pleasing unto him and did not keep those which displeased him. He is like many believers in Christ, who want the salvation of Jesus Christ, but do not want Him to be their Lord.
1 Samuel 15:14 “And Samuel said, What [meaneth] then this bleating of the sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?”
For the orders were to destroy all living creatures belonging to the Amalekites (1 Sam. 15:3), if therefore Saul had performed the commandment of the Lord, as he said he had, from whence were these sheep Samuel heard bleating?
“And the lowing of the oxen which I hear?” Where do they come from? These questions he put to convict him of the falsehood he had delivered; the bleating and lowing of these creatures proved him a liar, and were witnesses of his breach of the divine command. One would think every bleating and lowing of these must alarm his conscience, unless dreadfully stupefied.
The LORD had told Saul to kill all of the animals. He had kept the choicest animals back. The sound of the animals is convicting Saul of this sin.
1 Samuel 15:15 “And Saul said, They have brought them from the Amalekites: for the people spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen, to sacrifice unto the LORD thy God; and the rest we have utterly destroyed.”
“The people spared the best … to sacrifice”: Saul began to place blame on others, making room for his own excuses just as he had done earlier (13:11-12). Then he tried to justify his sin by saying that the animals would be used to sacrifice to the God of Samuel. Saul’s blatant disobedience at least pained his conscience so that he could not claim God as his God.
Once again “Saul,” the sinner, attempts to shift the blame to others (13:11-12), or plead extenuating circumstances (verses 20-21). The practices are as old as sin itself (Gen. 3:12-13).
It appears that if Saul were going to sacrifice these choice animals, he would have gone to Samuel, instead of Samuel looking him up. In my opinion, a sacrifice should actually be the finest thing you have that belongs to you, not someone else’s property. It really does not matter what he was going to do with them. He disobeyed God by taking them at all. Saul seems to have become extremely proud of his own opinion, even to overruling the will of God.
1 Samuel 15:16 “Then Samuel said unto Saul, Stay, and I will tell thee what the LORD hath said to me this night. And he said unto him, Say on.”
Stop a little, do not be in haste to be gone, as he might seem to be, fearing a reproof, and that something would be said to him not very agreeable.
“And I will tell thee what the Lord hath said to me this night”: Since it was not anything from himself, but from the Lord he had to say, he might expect the rather to be heard, especially since it was what had lately been told him.
“And he said unto him, say on”: He gave him leave, perhaps hoping he should hear something said in his praise, commending him for what he had done in destroying the nation of Amalek (see Luke 7:40).
Samuel had been in prayer all night for Saul. He had actually pleaded with God to forgive Saul. Now Samuel wants Saul to stay and hear what the LORD said about all of this. Saul stays and tells Samuel to go ahead and tell him.
1 Samuel 15:17 “And Samuel said, When thou [wast] little in thine own sight, [wast] thou not [made] the head of the tribes of Israel, and the LORD anointed thee king over Israel?”
“Little in thine own sight”: Saul’s status before he became king was as a humble and lowly Benjamite (9:21).
We remember that Saul had been a shy man. He had not thought himself worthy of being king. He had hidden among the wagons from Samuel. He thought someone else was worthier to be king. That is one of the reasons God had chosen him to be king. God wanted someone who would obey His commandments. Saul is strong-willed as he was an impatient man. He did things that were pleasing in his own eyes and not in God’s eyes. God anointed him king, because he was humble. His accomplishments have made Saul overly proud of himself.
1 Samuel 15:18 “And the LORD sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed.”
And therefore, he ought to have attended to the errand sent upon, and executed the orders given. In vain, therefore, was it to lay the blame on the people.
“And said, go, and utterly destroy the sinners, the Amalekites”: Those notorious sinners, who deserve no mercy at the hands of God or men; who had so highly offended the Lord, and had been so injurious to his people at their first coming out of Egypt. The orders were plain, not to be mistaken, and full and strong for the utter destruction of them without any exception, and therefore nothing could be pleaded in excuse for the violation of them.
“And fight against them until they be consumed”: Entirely; they were not to be left until an end was made of them; or “until they had consumed them”, by the people of Israel, or the soldiers with Saul.
The LORD had left no doubt exactly what he had wanted done with the Amalekites. The Amalekites were robbers and murderers. This destruction of them was to cleanse the land of sin.
1 Samuel 15:19 “Wherefore then didst thou not obey the voice of the LORD, but didst fly upon the spoil, and didst evil in the sight of the LORD?”
“Fly upon the spoil”: Saul and the people greedily took the spoil like a bird of prey diving on its victim.
It appears that, the LORD believes that Saul took the goodly animals for a spoil. People who fight wars for personal gain, want the spoil. A holy war is to cleanse the land, not to take a spoil. God had not given permission for them to take a spoil.
Verses 20-21: I have obeyed the voice of the Lord”: Instead of confessing his sin and repenting, Saul continued to justify himself.
1 Samuel 15:20 “And Saul said unto Samuel, Yea, I have obeyed the voice of the LORD, and have gone the way which the LORD sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.”
These and the words which follow are simply a repetition of the king’s former excuse for his act: but they show us what the state of Saul’s mind was. He evidently disbelieved in the power of the Eternal as a heart reader. If he could justify himself before Samuel, that was all he cared for. He asserted his own integrity of purpose and his great zeal for the public sacrifice to God, knowing all the while that low earthly reasons had been the reason of his conduct. He reiterated the plea that what he had done was in accordance with the voice of the people, conscious all the while that the plea was false.
Saul had not listened intently to the instructions from the LORD before the battle, or he did not believe Samuel was speaking the will of the LORD. His disrespect for the message Samuel gave, was not disrespect for Samuel, but disrespect for God. Part of the statement above is true. He did destroy most of the Amalekites. Saul is like so many people. He tries to justify what he has done. He is like someone who is a Christian most of the time. That other time will keep a professing Christian out of heaven. The actions he takes, which are not 100% what God wants him to do, will cause displeasure from God as well. He will not do exactly what God says for him to do. It is as if he thinks he has a better plan than God’s plan.
Verses 21-22: Saul claimed he had “performed” the Lord’s “commandment” until Samuel confronted him. Then he twice blamed “the people” for his disobedience. If he had acknowledged his sin immediately, perhaps his punishment would not have been so severe.
1 Samuel 15:21 “But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice unto the LORD thy God in Gilgal.”
Still he continues to lay the blame on the people, when he, as king, ought to have restrained them.
“The chief of the things, which should have been utterly destroyed”: This betrays him, and is evidence against him. He could not plead ignorance, he knew it and he owns it that according to the command of God they were all devoted to destruction. Therefore, he ought not to have suffered the people to have spared any on whatsoever presence, but to have seen all destroyed. But he was as deeply in it as they, and therefore moderates the thing, and endeavors to excuse them by observing, that their end was good, the service and glory of God, which perhaps were never thought of till now, namely:
“To sacrifice unto the Lord thy God in Gilgal”: As peace offerings, by way of thanksgiving for the victory obtained (1 Sam. 15:15).
These sheep and oxen that Saul has chosen out are the finest. They were fit for sacrifice, but God had said kill them. Perhaps, Saul’s intentions were good, but he had not obeyed the LORD. We see from the following Scripture, that the things of the condemned city are cursed.
Deut. 13:17 “And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;”
Verses 22-23: These verses reinforce the Old Testament viewpoint that religious ritual devoid of spiritual reality and a life of total allegiance to a sovereign “Lord” is worthless (Psalm 40:6-8; Isa. 1:10-20; Micah 6:8).
1 Samuel 15:22 “And Samuel said, Hath the LORD [as great] delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey [is] better than sacrifice, [and] to hearken than the fat of rams.”
“To obey is better than sacrifice”: This is an essential Old Testament truth. Samuel stated that God desires heart obedience over the ritual sacrifice of animals (Psalm 51:16-17; Isa. 1:10-17). The sacrificial system was never intended to function in place of living an obedient life, but was rather to be an expression of it (Hosea 6:6; Amos 5:21-27; Micah 6:6-8).
“Even if Saul’s intentions had been pure, he still disobeyed God’s decree. Partial obedience is just another form of disobedience (Psalm 51:17; Prov. 21:3).
This is one of the most important statements in the entire Bible. From the beginning, God has wanted His people to obey Him. Saul wanted to do things his way. He did not have his heart stayed upon God. Jesus said the same thing in the following Scripture.
John 14:15 “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”
Many times, we do not understand why God has commanded us to do something. It is not our place to question His commands. We must just do what He commands us. He knows what is best, whether we understand or not.
Verses 23-26: Saul’s family line had already been “rejected” from the ongoing theocracy (in 13:14). Here, Saul himself is set aside as king. When God selects someone for a mission, that person should never fear the crowd or obey their voice, as Saul admitted to doing.
1 Samuel 15:23 “For rebellion [is as] the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness [is as] iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from [being] king.”
“Rebellion … stubbornness”: Saul needed to see that his real worship was indicated by his behavior and not by his sacrifices. He demonstrated himself to be an idolater whose idol was himself. He had failed the conditions (12:13-15) which would have brought blessing on the nation. His disobedience here was on the same level as witchcraft and idolatry, sins worthy of death.
“Because thou has rejected … he hath also rejected”: A universal principle is given here that those who continually reject God will one day be rejected by Him. The sins of Saul caused God to immediately depose Saul and his descendants forever from the throne of Israel.
Saul had never given his heart completely over to God. He was a follower of God (He knew of God), but had never given the LORD all of his heart. Unshakeable faith in the LORD comes from a heart stayed upon God. Rebellion comes from a heart stayed upon self. A self-willed person is actually worshipping himself. This self worship is the worship of an idol. The idol just happens to be self. You can see that to rebel against God or to stubbornly try to have our way over God’s way would bring complete destruction. Saul rejected the perfect will of the LORD, and the LORD in turn rejected Saul.
1 Samuel 15:24 “And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.”
“I have sinned”: This overdue confession appears to be generated more by a concern over consequences (regret), than by sorrow over having offended holy God (repentance). He bypasses his personal responsibility by shifting blame to the people.
Saul, now, blames the people for his own sin. He does admit he has sinned, and asks forgiveness.
1 Samuel 15:25 “Now therefore, I pray thee, pardon my sin, and turn again with me, that I may worship the LORD.”
“Turn again with me”: Saul was concerned about having Samuel’s visible presence as a show of support in front of the people (15:30).
This appears that Saul is seeking forgiveness of Samuel rather than from God. He wants to participate in the victory celebration before the LORD.
1 Samuel 15:26 “And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, and the LORD hath rejected thee from being king over Israel.”
Not being satisfied with his repentance and confession, he was still extenuating his sin, and laying the blame of it on the people. This he said by way of resentment, and as expressing his indignation at him, though he afterwards did return with him on a change of his mind; which a good man may be allowed to make, without any imputation of falsehood or a lie unto him.
“For thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, and the Lord hath rejected thee from being king over Israel”: Which is repeated from (1 Samuel 15:23), for the confirmation of it, and to let Saul know that his pretended confession and repentance had made no alteration in the decree and sentence of God respecting the kingdom.
We see that Samuel first just says no, to the request of Saul.
Verses 27-28: In the customs of the ancient Near East seizing the edge of the robe was a symbolic gesture of submission or supplication. The symbol turns against Saul; as the robe has been torn, so the Lord” has torn Saul’s “kingdom” from him.
1 Samuel 15:27 “And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle, and it rent.”
From Saul, a different way from Gilgal, perhaps towards his own city Ramah, with an intention to have nothing more to say to Saul, or to do with him, or to see his face no more; so displeased was he with him.
“He laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle”: In order to detain him, and prevent his departure from him, and his going a different way.
“And it rent”: Samuel pulling away from him with great vehemence and warmth. The Jewish Rabbins are divided about this, whose skirt was rent; some say it was Samuel that rent the skirt of Saul and by this signified to him, that he that cut off the skirt of his garment should reign in his stead. Whereby Saul knew that David would be king when he cut off the skirt of his robe (1 Sam. 24:4). Others, that Samuel rent the skirt of his own mantle himself, which is the way of good men when things are not right. But the plain sense is, that Saul rent the skirt of Samuel’s mantle, which, when Samuel saw, he understood what that rent was a sign of, as expressed in the following verse.
Some scholars believe that this is speaking of Saul catching hold of Samuel’s mantle and tearing it, trying to stop him from leaving. I personally believe this to be a way Samuel was saying, that Saul will no more be clothed with authority. I believe Samuel removed the mantle of Saul. He was taking off his garment of authority symbolically.
1 Samuel 15:28 “And Samuel said unto him, The LORD hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbor of thine, [that is] better than thou.”
“Rent the kingdom”: Saul’s judgment was a settled matter on the day of his disobedience with the Amalekites. Samuel used the illustration as it vividly portrayed how God would take the kingdom from Saul as he had just torn Samuel’s robe.
“A neighbor”: This was a reference to David (28:17).
Samuel is speaking of the authority being given to David, as if it had already happened. God was not looking for someone with great power within himself, but someone who would love the LORD with all his heart. This will happen in the very near future. Samuel is speaking prophetically.
1 Samuel 15:29 “And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he [is] not a man, that he should repent.”
“The Strength of Israel”: This was a unique title of God (Micah 1:15).
While (15:11, 35), describe God’s sorrow at Saul’s actions, this verse (echoing Numbers 23:19), asserts that once God sets His mind to do something, He does not change course. God would indeed carry out His plan to remove Saul.
The word translated “Strength” carries with it the further ideas of preeminent brilliance and perpetuity. Therefore, the focus is on the Lord in all His magnificence and glory. This Glorious One is Israel’s only Strength. (See the similar sentiment in Psalm 3:3). Here the emphasis is on God’s immutability, therefore serving to keep the statement (in verse 11), in proper balance.
This is speaking of God, who has no need to repent. “Strength”, in this, is speaking of God. Saul had forgotten this very thing. He thought it was by his own might, he had won the war.
1 Samuel 15:30 “Then he said, I have sinned: [yet] honor me now, I pray thee, before the elders of my people, and before Israel, and turn again with me, that I may worship the LORD thy God.”
“Honor me”: Saul was still thinking of himself and how he could best salvage the situation for self-gain.
Saul was a very proud man, who did not want to be humbled before his own men. It appears that, Saul had repented here, but in the same sentence he asks for the people to honor him. He possibly just wants recognition for winning the war.
1 Samuel 15:31 “So Samuel turned again after Saul; and Saul worshipped the LORD.”
“Samuel turned again after Saul” Samuel agreed to follow Saul, perhaps seeing this as the wisest course of action for the nation at that time.
Samuel would allow him to celebrate the victory, as the king of the people. The honor of the office of king is what is meant, not honor specifically for Saul.
1 Samuel 15:32 “Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past.”
This he said very probably to some of Saul’s officers, and in his presence, and before all the people met together for sacrifice.
“And Agag came unto him delicately”: Fat and plump, as the Vulgate Latin version, and yet trembling, as that and the Septuagint. Well dressed in the garb and habit of a king, and with the air and majesty of one. Or with pleasure and joy, as Kimchi, choosing rather to die than to be a captive, and live in such reproach as he did. Though R. Isaiah and Ben Gersom give the sense of it, that he came bound in chains, and fetters of iron, according to the use of the word (in Job 38:31).
“And Agag said, surely the bitterness of death is past”: This he said, either as not expecting to die, that since he had been spared by Saul, the king of the nation. A fierce and warlike prince, he had nothing to fear from an ancient man and a prophet, and who now bore not the sword of justice. Especially when he came into his presence, and saw his form, which showed him to be a man of clemency and mercy, as Ben Gersom observes. Or as expecting it, and so Kimchi interprets it to this sense, “the bitterness of death is come”; and is near at hand, and will be soon over. Or suggesting that that which was bitter, to others grievous and terrible, was to him sweet and desirable. But the former sense seems best by what follows.
It appears that Agag was terribly afraid. He was hoping that the threat of death for him was over, but now he is not sure.
1 Samuel 15:33 “And Samuel said, As thy sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.”
Samuel carried out the task Saul never did, bringing justice to the Amalekites as God had commanded (Deut. 25:17-19).
“Hewed Agag in pieces”: This was an act of divine judgment to show the holy wrath of God against wanton sin. Sadly, the Israelites did not exterminate the wicked Amalekites, so they came back later to raid the southern territory and take women and children captive, including David’s’ family (see 1 Sam. Chapter 30).
This seems so cruel, but we must remember, he was a cruel murderer of women and children. He deserves to die for the cruel murders he committed. Samuel just carries the punishment out by cutting him into pieces. Samuel may not have actually cut him to pieces himself. He might have spoken the sentence, and someone else carried it out.
1 Samuel 15:34 “Then Samuel went to Ramah; and Saul went up to his house to Gibeah of Saul.”
His native place and where his usual residence was.
“And Saul went up to his house to Gibeah of Saul”: Which was also his birth place, and where was his father’s house, and where he had his palace, and kept his court. And took its name from him, to distinguish it from another Gibeah; and so Josephus says it was called Gabathsaoule, and was about thirty furlongs or four miles from Jerusalem.
Samuel had done exactly as God had sent him to do. Saul went his separate way to his home. It appears that, whatever celebration they had, has already occurred and they went home afterward.
1 Samuel 15:35 “And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.”
“Samuel came no more to see Saul … mourned”: Samuel never went to visit the rejected King Saul again in his life (1 Sam. 28:11-19). On at least one further occasion, Saul sought Samuel (19:24).
Samuel grieved for Saul, because he loved Saul. Just because someone is not living as he should, does not stop us from loving him. Samuel had anointed Saul and he felt a little responsible for Saul as well. God had a divine purpose for Saul and Saul did not carry that purpose out. God will not overrule the will of man. God called him to be a noble king, but Saul had to answer that call for it to be so. The sad thing was that God was sorry he had made Saul king, because Saul greatly disappointed Him.
1 Samuel Chapter 15 Questions
1. Why should Saul listen to the Word of God coming through Samuel?
2. What has Saul rebelled against?
3. Samuel tries to convince Saul, that what two things are the most important to do?
4. What had the LORD remembered about Amalek?
5. What did the LORD tell Saul to do to Amalek?
6. Why did God not want the Israelites to keep the animals?
7. The LORD wanted to purge the land of even the _________ of the Amalekites.
8. How many men of Israel came to fight with Saul?
9. How many men from Judah came to help?
10. What was the only known city of Amalek?
11. Who did Saul let go free, before the battle?
12. Why did he spare them?
13. Saul smote the Amalekites from ________ to _______.
14. What happened to Agag?
15. Which of the animals did they spare?
16. In verse 11, it repenteth the LORD that he had done what?
17. This grieved Samuel; and he _______ ________ _____ ______ all night.
18. Samuel was the ________, or __________, leader of Israel.
19. Where had Saul gone after the battle?
20. Why had Saul not reported back to Samuel after the battle?
21. What did Saul do, when he saw Samuel?
22. What question does Samuel ask Saul?
23. What excuse did Saul make about the animals?
24. When was Saul made the head of the tribes of Israel?
25. What had changed about Saul?
26. What had Saul’s accomplishments done to him?
27. Who is Saul like in verse 20?
28. What excuse did Saul give for the people taking the choice animals?
29. Rebellion is as the sin of ____________.
30. Why had the LORD rejected Saul being king?
31. Who does Saul try to blame with his sin?
32. In verse 25, Saul is seeking ___________ forgiveness.
33. Samuel told Saul, in verse 28, the LORD hath rent the ____________ of Israel from him.
34. “Strength”, in verse 29, is who?
35. What did Samuel do to Agag?
36. Why did Samuel grieve for Saul?
1 Samuel Chapter 1
1 Samuel Chapter 2 Continued
1 Samuel Chapter 14 Continued
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HP Omen 15 Review: Thin, Light, and Extremely Powerful
A Good Omen for HP
Last Updated: August 17, 2018 6:54 pm
Gaming laptops can be a complicated sort of beast to opine upon considering the immensely huge variations in configurations at different price ranges. So when we first got the HP Omen 15 at our office, and I got the chance to use it, I was expecting a similarly difficult task ahead. However, I was pleasantly surprised by the HP Omen in almost every single way possible. At Rs. 1,54,490 the HP Omen 15 is somewhere between the mid-range and premium segment of gaming laptops, so if you’re confused about the HP Omen as a gaming laptop worth its price, here is my review of the HP Omen 15.
HP Omen 15 Specifications
Before we get into the nitty-gritty details about this laptop, let’s get the on-paper specifications out of the way. Here’s what the HP Omen 15 comes packing:
Dimensions 36 x 26.3 x 2.6 cm
Processor 8th-gen Core i7-8750H @2.2GHz
Memory 16GB DDR4 RAM @2666MHz
Storage 128GB NVMe M.2 SSD + 1TB SATA HDD 7200RPM
Display 15.6-inch FullHD 144Hz
Graphics Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 with 8GB GDDR5
I/O 1 HDMI 2.0; 1 headphone/microphone combo; 1 microphone-in; 1 Mini DisplayPort™; 1 RJ-45; 1 Thunderbolt™ 3 (Data Transfer up to 40 Gb/s, DP1.2, HP Sleep and Charge); 3 USB 3.1 Gen 1 (1 HP Sleep and Charge), SD Card reader
Networking Intel Wireless-AC 9560 802.11 b/g/n/ac, Bluetooth 5.0
Battery 4-cell, 70Wh
Price Rs. 1,54,490
Okay, now that we have the specifications all out of the way, let’s see what this laptop is like in real life.
The first thing I noticed with the HP Omen 15 is that it looks exceedingly beautiful. There’s no other way to put it. It’s sleek (as far as gaming laptops go), it has those sharp edges and low-poly cuts so often found in gaming laptops along with vents that (as is usual with most gaming laptops) look like they belong on the exhaust of a sports car.
Add to that the black and red aesthetic that HP has chosen to go with here, and this laptop is definitely one of my favorite gaming laptops as far as looks go. The body is built out of high quality, strong feeling plastic and I don’t mind it at all. The back of the lid has a dual carbon-fiber and brushed metal patterning on it with the Omen logo inlaid in red. Everything here looks really cool, making the HP Omen 15 one of the few laptops that scream gaming without having the bulk of other gaming rigs.
Once the lid is open, the laptop looks, if possible, even better. It’s all black with a brushed metal finish on the base, and the display is recessed into the lid to make sure there are no issues with the keys getting imprinted on the screen (it happens with a lot of laptops). There are tiny bezels wrapping the display, which I like, except the bottom bezel which is ginormous and holds the Omen logo along with the 144Hz sticker. One problem I do have with the display here is that there’s a lot of flex in the screen. A LOT. It bends so much it’s kind of scary and I fail to understand how laptops at this pricing fail to get this right so often.
The power button is placed on the top left corner of the laptop and looks amazing, it lights up with a sleek red light when powered on, and looks really awesome. I don’t even mind the Omen branding above the keyboard even though it’s quite unnecessary (and so is the Bang & Olufsen branding on the top right). The laptop doesn’t have biometric authentication, not that I blame it, not a lot of gaming laptops do, however, I would’ve liked to see a fingerprint scanner on the laptop, and considering how much space is available on this thing, I think HP could’ve fit one in it.
I/O and Connectivity
As far as I/O and connectivity is concerned, the Omen 15 will not leave you wanting. It has a lot of ports, and boasts of top of the line connectivity. On the sides you’ll find 2x USB 3 ports along with an SD Card reader. Plus, there’s a headphone+mic combined port along with a dedicated mic port as well. There are even more ports on the back – there’s a USB-C port, an ethernet port, a mini display port, an HDMI out, and a USB 3 port as well.
For wireless connectivity, the laptop comes with Intel Wireless-AC 9560 and supports WiFi 802.11 b/g/n/ac, so it’s ready for the future for sure. Along with that it features Bluetooth 5, which is something not even some very expensive gaming laptops come with. Kudos to HP for not taking connectivity lightly and going with something like Bluetooth 4.1.
The display here is a 15.6-inch FullHD panel that boasts a refresh rate of 144Hz – that’s pretty impressive I must say and definitely makes the experience of using the laptop a lot better. With 144Hz, not only will your gaming experience be better, but even while simply using the laptop day-to-day, you’ll notice a massive difference in the smoothness of animations, scrolling… everything. Basically, a 144Hz display will spoil you, in a good way.
Other than that, the display has a really impressive color reproduction and manages to render colors very accurately. In our test I was able to differentiate between a background at RGB values 255,255,255 with a rectangular portion of the display set to color 253,253,253 – that’s seriously impressive. The viewing angles here are great too, especially from top to bottom, moving side to side does slightly affect the colors, but that change is so minimal it’s barely even noticeable in normal usage. I only noticed it while running the test for viewing angles.
The display is remarkably sharp and can also get quite bright, and on top of that it’s a matte display which makes it even better if you’re trying to use it outdoors in sunlight, or indoors with lights behind you (as I am right now). Reflections are a non-issue with this display and I love it.
HP’s laptops have long had speakers from Bang & Olufsen, and that holds true with the Omen 15 as well (that branding isn’t just a placeholder, after all), and the B&O legacy really shows with this laptop.
Even with speakers placed on the bottom of the laptop underneath the palm rest, the speakers are incredibly loud and clear. I tried listening to a lot of songs on the Omen 15, and not once did the speakers let me down. There’s excellent sound representation, the bass is decent, the highs and mids are remarkable, and the loudness of the speakers is enough to fill a medium sized room full of talking people. I love it, and it’s the first laptop I’ve used other than the MacBook Pro that has made me appreciate the depth of the sound from its speakers.
There’s also a headphone jack just in case you need to plugin external speakers, or a headphone, but for stuff other than gaming, I don’t think you’ll need a headphone with this laptop. It’s pretty loud and clear on its own.
The Omen 15 also packs in a standard membrane keyboard, complete with a numpad. Obviously, I would’ve loved a mechanical keyboard here, but the keyboard HP has gone with is pretty damn good on its own, and I don’t think there’s any cause to complain here. Since this is a gaming laptop, RGB lighting is present on the keyboard. However, unlike some MSI gaming laptops, the HP Omen doesn’t have individual RGB lighting on each key, opting instead for a more traditional 4-zone RGB backlit keyboard which can be configured from the Omen Command Center.
The WASD keys are outlined in white, because most gaming laptops tend to make them as easily differentiable from the rest of the keys as possible, however, HP went one step ahead and added one of those bumps you find on the ‘F’ and ‘J’ keys on a keyboard to the ‘W’ key as well, making it easier to find the key by simply feeling around without looking at the keyboard.
There are no customisable macro keys here, as you might find on some other gaming laptops, but HP does include a dedicated key to launch the Omen Command Center. There’s also a full sized arrow-key layout here that I’m especially fond of.
Basically, the keyboard here is a pretty great choice from HP. Without going with a mechanical keyboard that would’ve raised the price by a bit, HP has put in a keyboard that offers ample travel, is comfortable to type on, and doesn’t make a lot of noise — all of which are great things.
The trackpad on the HP Omen is, dare I say smaller than I was expecting, and not made out of glass (something I’ve come to expect from more expensive laptops these days). Maybe I’m used to laptops with larger trackpads thanks to my years of using a Mac, or maybe gaming laptops like the Mi Gaming Laptop have spoiled me when it comes to trackpad sizes, but the trackpad on the HP Omen feels rather small to comfortably make use of Windows’ gestures.
It’s not a tiny trackpad like the one you’d find on the HP Envy, but it’s not big either. Some people might find it to be the perfect size, and I was, at one point thinking that it might just be. However, while using gestures to swipe between desktops, or for multitasking, I quickly realised that the trackpad didn’t offer enough real-estate to comfortably and naturally perform the gestures. Add to that the fact that it has dedicated left-click and right-click buttons on the bottom and I feel like HP could’ve made a much bigger trackpad if they had just opted to not include the buttons here.
To be fair, if you like having dedicated click-buttons on your laptop, you’ll probably like these. They are nice and clicky, but if you’re like me, you’ll probably end up not using them at all.
Talking about the performance on this sleek beast, with specs like an 8th-gen Core i7, 16GB of RAM, and an Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 GPU, you would obviously expect great things from this laptop, and that shows in both benchmarks and real world performance.
In terms of benchmarks the laptop performs quite well, scoring impressive numbers all across the board. In Geekbench, the laptop scores 4,800 in the single-core test, and 18,836 in the multi-core test. It also manages 4,089 on PCMark 10, and in 3DMark the HP Omen scored 4,993 in Time Spy, and 12,856 in Fire Strike. In the Cinebench R15 OpenGL test the laptop scores 109.08fps, and 1038cb in the CPU test.
Cinebench R15 CPU Test
Cinebench R15 OpenGL Test
PCMark 10
3DMark Fire Strike
The laptop even handles stress tests well, scoring 97.6% on the Fire Strike stress test.
Real World Performance
As far as real world performance is concerned, the HP Omen will not let you down. I’ve used the laptop extensively, for everything from my usual work related tasks, to intensive and long gaming sessions, and the laptop handles everything like a champ. Multi-tasking is a breeze with the i7 and ample amounts of RAM in the system, and normal everyday tasks are no challenge for the laptop.
However, the Omen 15 is a gaming laptop at the end of the day, so real world performance should really be tested out with games; and so I did. I played a bunch of games on the Omen 15, including the likes of PUBG, Project Cars 2, Far Cry 5, and Fortnite, and the laptop handles everything easily.
In PUBG with Ultra settings and motion blur turned off, the game hovered around 70 to 80 FPS throughout my gaming sessions which is incredible. I don’t think there’s any call for reducing the graphics settings to High or anything, because 70+ of Ultra is pretty amazing, and completely playable.
In Far Cry 5, the laptop was pushed a bit, but still managed to easily handle the game. With all the graphics set to Ultra, the game’s benchmark showed an average frame rate of 75FPS, with the minimum and maximum frame rate being 64FPS and 86FPS. That’s pretty damn good. However, while actually playing the game, I did notice that at certain points the frame rate dropped to ridiculously low values. However, those occurrences were few and far in between, and the laptop quickly picked up the pace in less than a second or two, otherwise maintaining around 60FPS with ease.
Project Cars 2 also runs like a charm on this laptop, and with everything set to maximum, and motion blur turned down to low, I experienced absolutely no issues with playing the game. I did crash quite a bit during the many many custom races I tried to play, but I crashed in a sweet 70+FPS, so there’s that.
I also played Fortnite, because I love it, and needless to say the game ran ‘Epic’ — both in terms of settings and in terms of the frame-rate I got. I set the FPS limit to unlimited, and the game hovered around 100+FPS throughout, and that’s wonderful even if not surprising with a laptop of this caliber.
We can’t talk about gaming without talking about thermals because as impressive as it may be to have a gaming laptop with such horsepower in a form factor as sleek as this, slimmer laptops usually suffer with thermal issues. The HP Omen, however, isn’t your regular sleek laptop at all.
The Omen 15 doesn’t come with an overload of heat pipes — there are only 2, but what it does come with are extremely efficient fans, and large vents on the back to effectively push the hot air out of the system which is why throughout my long gaming sessions, the laptop didn’t thermal throttle (or get hot to touch) even once. The keyboard doesn’t get warm to the touch at all and that’s impressive. The only place that I did notice the laptop getting a little warm from was the back (obviously), and the portion that says ‘OMEN’, which is expected because that’s directly above the heatpipes and the fans. Even then, though, the laptop wasn’t too hot, not even uncomfortably warm.
In terms of battery, the HP Omen 15 comes with a 4-cell 70Whr battery that lasts decently long enough. In best battery life mode with the brightness set to 50%, the Omen 15 lasted me an easy 3 hours which is pretty decent by gaming laptop standards. During that time I used the laptop as my normal work laptop which means writing some articles, having around 15-20 tabs open of Firefox Quantum at any given time, and Adobe Photoshop CC running alongside for the featured images and stuff… along with a YouTube tab playing songs in the background.
In best performance mode the battery lasts for a considerably less amount of time, which is expected, but still under the same workload I was able to push the laptop to around 2 hours of usage before plugging it.
I think it’s a pretty decent battery. Obviously, it doesn’t last even close to what you’d get from ultrabooks, but that’s because this is not an ultrabook. This is a gaming laptop with a GTX 1070 inside it, and 3 hours of battery is a pretty decent number to get with that. Also, as a gamer, you’d not be using it without plugging it in so it really won’t make much of a difference.
Charging up the laptop takes considerable time, with it taking around 2 hours (give or take) to get from 10% to a 100% charge when plugged in and not in use. That’s quite a lot, but considering that it has a much bigger 70Whr battery, I’d say it’s okay.
Overall, the battery performance of the Omen 15 is pretty satisfactory, and much like almost everything else about the laptop, I don’t have anything bad to say about it.
HP Omen 15: Pros and Cons
The HP Omen is a pretty great gaming laptop with a nice, sleek design and performance that will not let you down. However, it does come with its own set of pros and cons.
Amazing performance
Plenty of I/O options
Small trackpad
Display has a lot of flex
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HP Omen 15 Review: Form and Function In One Sweet Package
All things considered, the HP Omen 15 is definitely a laptop that’s worthy of its Rs. 1,54,490 price tag. That said, the Omen 15 isn’t the only option you can go with. As far as sleek gaming laptops with great specs are concerned, there’s the MSI GS65 Stealth that comes with similar specs, but 1TB of SSD storage for $2,499 (launched in India for Rs. 1,89,990). Also, if you’re looking for a laptop that’s drastically cheaper than the Omen and you’re willing to sacrifice performance and looks, there’s the Asus TUF Gaming Laptop that comes with 1050Ti, 8GB of RAM, and a 120Hz display for Rs. 73,990.
However, the HP Omen 15 is a particularly great laptop at this price, and it manages to check a lot of the boxes for a great gaming laptop. It has a great design that manages to hit a certain sweet spot between being flashy and being stealthy, it has great specs, a display that’s 144Hz, really sharp and accurate, a nice keyboard, and performs like a champ. So, if you’re looking to buy a gaming laptop in the Rs. 1.5 Lakh price range, I’d suggest the HP Omen 15 for sure.
I/O Ports and Connectivity
The HP Omen 15 is one of the few gaming laptops I've come across that check almost every box for a great gaming laptop in their price range. It has specs that'll put every AAA title within your reach at the highest of settings, a design that will make your friends envious, and a display that, with 144Hz, looks buttery smooth no matter what. At Rs. 1,54,490, the HP Omen 15 is definitely a laptop that's worth your attention, and most likely your money.
Aleksandar Aleksandrov Feb 18, 2020 At 3:05 am
Good configuration, but very poor quality. 10 days after purchase the buttons fall out. Customer Support of HP is very bad. More of 20 days they not want to take it back. Don’t buy anything from them.
Staffan Ågren Sep 1, 2018 At 3:43 pm
Go to Laptopmedia.com and their review. There you can read that the display covers 95% of sRGB. The Asus ROG Strix GL504-series also makes use of the same monitor type and is told to have 96 % coverage, so the truth seems to be somewhere between 95 and 96 %. The monitor is also rather bright in comparison with other gaming laptops.
I am just now on the move to buy one myself. It seems very good, this developed HP Omen model!
Akshay Bhangale Aug 18, 2018 At 2:14 pm
What’s the sRGB coverage of the 4k panel?
Shubham Waingankar Aug 18, 2018 At 9:11 am
Akshay please suggest me a laptop
I m a second year computer engineering student
My budget is 1,30,000 rs
Please suggest me a good and powerful laptop under my budget
NITISH GUPTA Oct 7, 2018 At 5:47 pm
HP Omen 15 0106tx
It costs around 1.35 lakhs. It is the mid variant of hp omen 15 2018 series. It has an Nvidia GTX 1060 graphics card, intel core i7-8750H, 4-cell 70whr battery, 16 gb ram, 1tb hdd and 128gb ssd, bang and olufsen speakers, rgb backlit keyboard.
Rohit Aug 17, 2018 At 4:41 pm
nice article, useful information
thanks for sharing and keep posting
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Four out of five people stop breathing correctly when typing an email
Date: December 5, 2017Author: breathwork-science 0 Comments
Written by: David Gutierrez, staff writer NaturalNews
Four out of five people regularly stop breathing while typing emails, according to studies conducted by former Apple executive Linda Stone. The condition, which health professionals are calling “email apnea,” may lead to serious health consequences.
“If people are in a stressful situation, perhaps having to deal with some stressful communication, they might end up holding their breath,” said Edward Grandi, executive director of the American Sleep Apnea Association. “It’s not just email, it’s email and texting.”
Gizmodo blogger Adam Clark Estes wrote that he had noticed the condition in himself, whenever he was concentrating on writing an especially difficult paragraph.
“I must’ve slipped a little too deeply into the zone,” he said. “A head shake and a couple breaths later, and I was back at it.”
But the pattern is hard to break, Estes noted.
“Within minutes, the same light-headed feeling was back. I’d stopped breathing, again.”
Apnea: not just for sleeping
Prior to evidence of how widespread email apnea is, the most common form of apnea (cessation of breathing) was thought to be sleep apnea. In sleep apnea, most common in overweight adults, the cessation of breathing pulls the patient out of deep sleep into either light sleep or complete wakefulness. Sleep apnea can lead to a sore or dry throat and symptoms of sleep deprivation including tiredness, anxiety, depression, headaches, impotence, low libido and poor memory and concentration.
Waking apnea – including email apnea – has different effects. Because the body is not getting enough oxygen, it activates the sympathetic nervous system, which is responsible for the “fight-or-flight” response. This can produce pupil dilation, increased heart rate, flushing, excessive sweating and restless legs.
But while the fight-or-flight response is well suited to evading or overcoming physical threats, it can be maladaptive when activated in an office chair. Among other things, a constantly activated sympathetic nervous system can produce symptoms of chronic stress, including problems with the metabolic, reproductive and immune systems.
“Are we more obese and diabetic because of a combination of holding our breath off and on all day and then failing to move when our bodies have prepared us to do so?” Stone said.
Mindful breathing
The best way to combat sleep apnea is to change the way you engage with your email and your electronic devices, Stone said.
“It isn’t email that is making us crazy. It’s how we’re doing email that is making us crazy,” she said. “If we were all driving with no speed limits and no stop signs, there would be chaos. That’s how I think about how many of us are doing email.”
Stone suggests that people set themselves certain “stop signs” and “speed limits” to regulate their own email usage. For example, a “stop sign” would involve setting boundaries on how much time you spend emailing. You could limit yourself to answering emails only at set times of the day, and make it clear that you will delete any emails you receive while on vacation. A “speed limit” would restrict how you engage with email – for example, you could use email only in certain settings, rather than checking your smartphone at every stop light or even while you’re in the bathroom.
Stone also suggests that people work to be more aware while working, asking themselves questions such as “how do I feel?” and “have I exhaled lately?” If you’re feeling stressed, she says, simply exhaling deeply can help move your body out of fight-or-flight mode.
“If you’re not sure how you feel, it’s time to get up and walk away from the computer–and your email!” she said.
Keywords; breathing, apnea, email writing
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There’s plenty of puppy love in this week’s My Five, as well as a great awareness campaign from Oreo and some dodgy Google Calendar invites.
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1. Brands alter logos to raise awareness of the importance of giving blood
Brands such as Oreo, have been making some changes to their iconic logos this week to support an initiative started by American Red Cross to try and get more people to register to give blood for World Blood Donor Day.
Brands have been removing the ‘O’s from their logos to represent the different blood types and raise awareness of World Blood Donor Day, which was actually last week, 14th June.
Oreo posted this tweet in support:
Our O’s are missing! Help us fill them up for #WorldBloodDonorDay by clicking the link and signing up with the American Red Cross to donate your O’s, A’s, and B’s. #MissingTypes https://t.co/56DRujTVxf pic.twitter.com/s9LT3kZmzI
— OREO Cookie (@Oreo) June 14, 2019
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Our O’s are back! Thanks for helping us by donating your O’s, A’s, and B’s to the American Red Cross for #WorldBloodDonorDay! #MissingTypes pic.twitter.com/pZa9Gd33rI
Nice touch, eh?
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Kaspersky Lab researchers have reported that victims might see invitations with titles like “You’ve received a cash reward,” or “There’s a money transfer in your name,” but they are just tricks to try and encourage them to go through to dodgy websites where the scammers will try and steal their data or money.
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The study shows that there has been an anatomical change around dogs’ eyes and eyebrows to make it possible for them to pull these expressions. The study reveals that dogs have developed “expressive eyebrows” and “when dogs make the movement, it seems to elicit a strong desire in humans to look after them”.
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My MD sister-in-law messaged me Saturday night, upset that the man who slandered the First-Lady-to-be in the The Wall Street Journal claimed affiliation with my alma mater—where I now work, where my father spent his professorial career, and where my sons are students. She was surprised by my blasé response. I explained the snobbery leveled against EdDs by PhDs roughly parallels that of that against DOs by MDs. Remember when we discovered the White House physician was a DO?
The notion of a degree as a source of shame and inadequacy is steeped in toxic masculinity, but not necessarily in the way one might expect. In the UK system, acquiring a PhD (or DPhil if at Oxford) verges on an admission of failure. The VERY best (by some dubious definition), are plucked from Oxford’s undergraduates directly into All Souls College. Among the most influential historians in his generation, Quentin Skinner, levitated directly from undergraduate to faculty at Cambridge. One morning as a graduate student at the latter university, the BBC on our alarm clock radio awoke me with an interview of some luminary (I wish I could remember with whom) saying his undergraduate Cambridge adviser told him only those who could not do anything else stayed for a graduate degree. On the other side of the Atlantic, I remember being told that in the other Cambridge along the Charles River to use the appellation “Dr” was considered declassé, and one of the most prestigious academic journals in my field remained in accord with the practice of referring to authors as “Mr and Ms,” regardless of whether or not they held a doctorate.
I always interpreted this evasion as tied to the same pretense of gentility that made being a physician and touching other people’s bodies distinctly lowbrow in certain factions of the aristocratic English imagination. One had to traverse Hadrian’s wall to Edinburgh and Glasgow if one wished to receive the best medical education on offer in 18th Century Britain. In the late 19th Century, Edinburgh-educated Arthur Conan Doyle’s fictional Dr Watson remained the intellectual inferior of the drug-addled and doctorate-free Holmes. If you wish to offend a surgeon in the UK, refer to one as “doctor.” (I only made that mistake once.) When they specialize, British surgeons are permitted to elevate themselves to Mr or Ms, which projects gentility while paradoxically harkening back to their origins as barbers.
Gentlemen don’t need degrees to assert their membership in the elite. Men of lower social standing (marked by accent, ethnicity, religion, or race) and ALL women do. For us, the degree is a necessity to assert our right to speak and write on topics about which we have hard won expertise that genteel patriarchs would prefer to dismiss. Just as aristocratic men can dress sloppily and enjoy feeling above materialistic pretense, those from the “lower orders” feel compelled to dress “up” to establish their right to be in certain rooms and behind certain podiums. Mark Zuckerburg interviews in hoodies; Cheryl Sandburg does not.
Mr Zuckerberg and his wife, Dr Chan, are useful examples of my point. Mr Zuckerberg, like Mr Gates, dropped out of Harvard. Their lack of education has never been held against them. This is more surprising for Mr Zuckerberg, because it demonstrates that some of the overt anti-semitism that demanded Jewish immigrants acquire titles to demonstrate their professional value has waned. Mr Zuckerberg found acceptance among the un-degreed elite without a WASP pedigree. Note, however, he married a “real” (ie MD) Asian-American doctor, who continues to use her title and prevent the world from thinking of her as merely “Mrs. Zuckerberg.”
I do not know a PhD, who has not had someone scoff about “real” doctors, who save lives, rather than “eggheads,” who engage in mental (fill in a term that rhymes with publication). At core, the embittered diatribe in The Wall Street Journal stems from the familiar insecurity of someone never admitted into the American academy’s tenured inner sanctum, who seeks retribution for his professional emasculation. To Dr Biden, you go girl! To the ranting relics of prejudice past, it is easy to access teletherapy during the pandemic.
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One small step for a few, One giant step for Buena
Students return to classrooms in small learning groups
Photo by Faith Stewart
Dec. 3, Antoinette Perez teaching her small group of AP English language and composition students, about what to expect on the multiple choice questions for the AP English language and composition exam, and how to be best prepared to answer the questions. Students stay socially distant and focus as they use their own supplies to take notes.
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Navigating the world of online learning has been difficult for most, and is a struggle that students and teachers have been trying to overcome since March, however the school administration is trying to give support to students by offering online tutoring for all subjects, which began Nov. 18, as well as small in-person learning groups, which began Nov. 9, that students can join.
“[Small in-person groups] were proposed by the district to help supplement students who are struggling,” principal Bobbi Power said, “I have already heard from many teachers that the students that were struggling have been helped by the small groups.”
Learning pods are groups of students come to school for their core or elective subjects to get assistance from their teachers. In the interest of fairness, no homework is assigned. Rather, students only receive help for what they are already learning in their Zoom class. Students are also allowed to not attend class if they do not feel well or may choose to not continue if they feel they no longer need the extra support.
I think [small groups are] an opportunity for us all… to not just hide behind the screen when we’re struggling,”
— Antoinette Perez
This program is not advertised on the Ventura Unified School District website or Buena high school website because, “there is a protocol the district has set that we need to follow”, Powers said. Another reason is that both teachers and students can choose whether they would like to participate in the groups or not. Therefore, if a student wants to participate in a small group with their teacher, there would first need to be a teacher willing to teach that group. In the same regard, a teacher who wants to teach a small group needs to have enough students interested in attending, at least 15 students to be precise. This is why small groups are not offered to all students and teachers.
“We also cannot have all kids returning, so certain kids were targeted to help,” Powers said. “So the teachers knew which students needed help and they targeted those students.”
Teacher of English 10 Honors, ELD English, and AP English language and composition, Antoinette Perez, was “excited” to see some of her students in class again “it was an opportunity that [she] jumped on” when she first learned that teachers were allowed to form their small groups. “I think [small groups are] an opportunity for us all… to not just hide behind the screen when we’re struggling,” Perez said. “When you get to class you’re distant from people, everyone is wearing a mask, no one gets close to you, so I’m not concerned- I feel pretty safe.”
Perez is using small groups as a way to help her AP Literature students. With small groups, the district requires that teachers spend at least two hours a week with their teacher. However, teachers can still choose how to break up those hours, how many students will be in groups, and choose what days they want to be with their groups.
“I announced to all of my classes as soon as we got word we could actually do [small groups]. I sent a Google form to my students and asked ‘Would you be interested in this?´¨Perez said. “I also sent out an email to parents, so all of my students were notified and had the opportunity to do it.”
Students who are able to go to these small groups, like senior Sahel Schaab who is taking an AP Literature class with Ms. Herrera, thinks “it’s a cool experience to be back in the classrooms” despite restrictions.
“I joined because I love literature- english, writing, I love that type of thing,” Schaab said. “I also never took an AP English class so I wanted to get a little bit of help outside of Zoom class.”
However, small groups are doing more than just teaching students, small groups help students “build personal relationships” with their teachers and their peers, Perez said.
“I am just so grateful to do this because I think there are some kids that really need to be connected,” Powers said.
I still encourage my students that if they can’t do small groups, schedule meetings with their teachers, go to office hours, and ask them for extra help,”
A major concern, the spread of the Coronavirus, is an understandable fear for many students- or parents who are uncertain about the safety of small groups. However strict rules, restrictions, and protocol made by the district and school were put in place to keep all people involved with the groups “nice and healthy,” Powers said.
“We haven’t had any [problems] yet,” Powers said, “Knock on wood, you never know, but so far it’s been pretty good.”
Habits and rules that the school, teachers, and students partake in include wearing a mask on campus at all times, cleaning your hands with hand sanitizer before and after you enter and exit the classroom, assigned seats that remain the same, designated spots where students can be dropped off and picked up, set times that students may arrive, and regular cleaning of classrooms.
“[What I have been doing for example] is that I print things and I leave it on the students’ desks… There’s no collecting of papers either, the students keep them or depending on what the paper is about- they throw it in the trash,” Perez said, “I actually wipe down the seats with the products [the school] gave us, I wipe down the desks before and after they get there even though I know janitors do that, I do it to be extra safe.”
Still, for some students, this small group program is something they simply can’t participate in because they can’t afford the risk that comes when leaving their home either for their own health reasons or family members. Recognizing this, both teachers and administrators encourage students to make the most of other free resources which the school offers.
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Book Summary Barbara Kingsolver wrote The Bean Trees in shifting points of view. All but two chapters of the novel are written in the first person, revealing the . The Bean Book. A well-designed book on beans teaches kids about the anatomy of a bean. They cut out parts of a bean and paste them together. There are a lot of good descriptions of the parts of beans, such as the embryo, stored food, and the seed coat. A very nice, interactive worksheet/5.
The “too-cool-for-school” third picture book from the #1 New York Times bestselling creators of The Bad Seed and The Good Egg, Jory John and Pete Oswald. Everyone knows the cool beans. They’re sooooo cool. And then there’s the uncool has-bean. In The Bean Eaters, Brooks continued to investigate these same interests, drawing heavily on Chicago’s south-side neighborhood of Bronzeville. However, the book was written during the early years of the Civil Rights movement, during which the Brooks's interest in social issues deepened and found expression in .
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Her first book, Simply Delicious, was published in Her latest cookery book, The Best Of Rose Elliot: The Ultimate Vegetarian Collection was published by Mitchell Beazley in She is patron of the Vegetarian Society, VIVA (Vegetaria Rose Elliot is a British vegetarian cookery writer.4/5.
A lot of information on all sorts of beans and really this book has firstly been published in the 's and still is very popular, and not for no reason.
It has essential information on beans and other things like their vitamins and a little history there too/5(11). The book is arranged by type of bean, with a variety of recipes for each. Includes green beans, peas, soybeans, and snow peas. The recipes come from all over the world/5(4). Packed with illuminating information, The Bean Book sets out the history of humanity's relationship with the bean, details its nutritional and health benefits, and provides an exhaustive list and description of all the major beans in the world, from pinto and cannellini beans to chickpeas and lentils/5(6).
This book identifies all kinds of beans, gives their Latin names (handy since beans have so many different names), place of origin, and a brief history of their uses. Each is accompanied by a lovely drawing of the beans; some include drawings of the bean in the pod, fresh, and dried/5(4).
The Coffee Bean book is a great fable, easy read with fabulous illustrations. The lesson of the Carrot, Egg and Coffee Bean is one that everyone should know about and put into action in their life. We all have times of Carrots or Eggs but striving to BE THE COFFEE BEAN is where true transformation takes place!/5().
The Bean Trees is bestselling author Barbara Kingsolver’s first novel, now widely regarded as a modern classic. It is the charming, engrossing tale of rural Kentucky native Taylor Greer, who only wants to get away from her roots and avoid getting pregnant/5(). The novel is an entry in the Arcane America series, which includes Dragon Award winner Uncharted by Kevin J.
Anderson and Sarah A. Hoyt, and Council of Fire, by Eric Flint and Walter H. Hunt. Caller of Lightning features American wizard Benjamin Franklin facing down the forces of evil both at home and abroad after the passage of Halley’s Comet brings magic to Earth and sunders the Old World.
'The Bean Book' is a vegetarian classic giving the lowdown on beans and pulses of every flavour, colour and variety. 'The Bean Book' includes bakes, rissoles and soups to tempt the tastebuds as well as essential information on the preparation of pulses/5().
About the Book. From bestselling author Jon Gordon and rising star Damon West comes The Coffee Bean: an illustrated fable that teaches readers how to transform their environment, overcome challenges, and create positive change. Life is often difficult.
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As the first book of the duo, it chronicles the flight of Taylor Greer from a small, hick lifestyle to a freer life she didn't expect.4/5. Written by Judith Bush and Robert Spottswood To purchase this book, call or email [email protected] From bestselling author Jon Gordon and rising star Damon West comes The Coffee Bean: an illustrated fable that teaches readers how to transform their environment, overcome challenges, and create positive change.
Life is often difficult. It can be harsh, stressful, and feel like a Brand: Wiley. THE COOL BEAN written by Jory John You can purchase the book following this link. Make Sure to Give this Video a Big Thumbs Up. Also known as The Book Nook, The Book & The Bean brings together the timeless pairing of books and brew.
The bookstore teamed up with small batch coffee roaster, Flamjeaux Coffee Company*, to bring you fresh-roasted (in Mandeville), Arabica washed coffee from the green beans of the volcanic, west-central area of Colombia, high in the Andes on: Girod St, Mandeville,LA. The story begins as an adorably nerdy chickpea introduces "the cool beans" -- friends with whom he's grown apart over the last year.
He misses them, but he doesn't know what to do. He tries to be cool like them with sunglasses (too big), a slick hairdo (too 5/5. Introducing the Baen Free Library by Eric Flint. Baen Books is now making available — for free — a number of its titles in electronic format. We're calling it the Baen Free Library.
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The book provides a wealth of bean recipes, along with nutritional analyses, and a "lighter" version of each recipe for those on restricted. In his introduction, noted cookbook author Roy Guste, Jr. discusses the history and nature of beans, describing the various.
full title The Bean Trees. author Barbara Kingsolver. type of work Novel. genre Journey or quest novel. language English. time and place written Tucson, Arizona; – date of first publication publisher HarperCollins. narrator Most of the chapters are narrated by Taylor Greer, but Chapters Two and Four, which introduce Lou Ann, are narrated by an anonymous, omniscient narrator.
Free download or read online The Bean Trees pdf (ePUB) book. The first edition of the novel was published inand was written by Barbara Kingsolver. The book was published in multiple languages including English, consists of pages and is available in Hardcover format.
The main characters of this fiction, contemporary story are Taylor Greer, Turtle Greer.4/5.Children's series about a pair of girls Ivy and Bean, Ivy and Bean and the Ghost That Had to Go, Ivy and Bean Break the Fossil Record, Ivy and Bean Take.The Bean Trees is the first novel by American writer Barbara Kingsolver, published in and reissued in It was followed by the sequel Pigs in protagonist of the novel is named Taylor Greer, a native of sets out to leave home and travel west, and finds herself in Oklahoma near Cherokee territory.
As Taylor stops in the town, a woman suddenly approaches, deposits.
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Mark Frauenfelder 1:44 pm Tue Sep 17, 2019
Indianans are allowed to smoke rope, despite a state ban against smokable hemp products (which contains only a trace of THC), ruled a federal judge.
Via Hemp Industry Daily:
Smokable hemp flower is one of the most in-demand hemp products in the industry. But law enforcement officials in several states have complained that smokable hemp looks and smells too much like marijuana to adequately enforce.
Law enforcement's confusion over hemp versus marijuana doesn't mean states can consider some forms of hemp a controlled substance, wrote U.S. District Judge Sarah Evan Barker.
"The fact that local law enforcement may need to adjust tactics and training in response to changes in federal law is not a sufficient basis for enacting unconstitutional legislation," she wrote.
She granted an immediate injunction blocking the law, saying the companies shouldn't have to wait to find out how much a smokable-hemp ban would cost them and then sue later.
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The New York Police Department should be commended for keeping 106 pounds of psychoactively inert hemp off the streets, where it might have fallen into the hands of unsuspecting weed smokers simply wanting to get high. Even though the hemp had been tested and certified to contain less than the legal limit of THC and… READ THE REST
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Notorious Mexican drug lord Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman is convicted in Brooklyn, could put him behind bars for the rest of his life in a high-security prison. READ THE REST
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12 Steamy Literary Couples That Should Totally Happen
Once upon a time, we reported that Draco Malfoy himself, Tom Felton, had attended the opening at the Wizarding World of Harry Potter in Orlando and joined AOL’s In The Know for a game of ‘Fact or Fanfiction?’ and, in the standout moment from the Q and A, Tom Felton was asked: What did he think of Draco’s relationship to Harry Potter?
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Now anyone with even a passing glance to the franchise would see Draco and Harry a simple rivalry, a tale for the ages, but Tom Felton said, I’m quoting AOL here, “Harry was constantly crushing on Draco…He just couldn’t hide it.”
Let’s look at the facts:
Draco and Harry do definitely have some tension going on.
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With this in mind we’ve decided to give you, dear readers, twelve literary couples that happened in an alternative universe. Taking twenty-four characters from all across literature, from different book series to classic standalone novels (copyright be damned!), we’ve compiled these characters into eleven distinct (and surely steamy) relationships that would have totally worked out…for the characters, at least. Trust us, we’re chemists here.
12-Bella and Count Dracula
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No more sparkling vampires, now Twilight‘s Bella Swan is getting an upgrade. Let’s face it: There’s a reason Bram Stoker called this novel Dracula and not Harker. Dracula’s got style, he’s got nice clothes, he’s not charm oozing from everyone pore.
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Heck, if Bella says “No, I’m married” then I’m asking Dracula out to get a nice love bite.
11-Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes
Far before Twitter decided to give us the #givecaptainamericaaboyfriend fan campaign, we had the comic books. See Bucky died, Steve Rogers became a Commie smasher, and then the Commie smasher was retconned, and then the real Steve Rogers was thawed out from the ice.
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But Bucky remained dead, and Steve was inconsolable in his grief over his best friend and partner in crime throughout the decades of Captain America comics. In fact, it was one of the most foremost elements of his character
Fans looked at this and took the small hop and believed that Steve’s profound sense of loss than met the eye
The only people who stay dead in comics are Bucky, Jason Todd, and Uncle Ben.
So Bucky came back. In fact, he came back as the Winter Soldier in a comic book called The Winter Soldier, and ever since then we’ve been clamoring for Steve and Bucky to get a little closer.
They’re perfect for each other. The two buddies have been with each other since the beginning and will continue to stay together “until the end of the line”. They’re both “men out of time” from 1930s Brooklyn and are war buddies with great rapport who totally get along. They have so much in common.
At least go on a date and see if there’s anything there.
10-Ahab and Captain Hook
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We have Peter Pan‘s Captain Hook, and this man has been through a lot. Yes, he’s trying to track down and kill Peter Pan like he’s an animal, but Peter Pan is an animal! This boy cut off his hand and fed it to a crocodile. Wicked, evil, and savage beyond belief.
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Then we have Moby Dick‘s Captain Ahab who, like James Hook, wants to track down an animal whose savaged ships of all sorts.
But would they be searching for these monsters if they had, you know, found each other? Could their killer eyes turn into ones of passion and love if they only looked into each other’s eyes?
We here at Bookstr call out in a resounding, ‘YES!’
9-Boo Radley and Miss Havisham
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Charles Dickens’ gave us Great Expectations, which us the tragic story of Miss. Havisham. Left at the altar as a young lady, she has preserved her house as it was on her wedding day and lived there ever since, shut away from the world. She has a heart of gold, but no one has treated it well.
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Harper Lee gave us To Kill A Mocking Bird, which introduced the world to Boo Radley. Our Boo has lived in a house since he was a child, hidden from the world, but he has a heart of gold, giving young Scout a jacket on a cold autumn day.
If these two shut-ins have closed their doors to the world, would they open their doors for each other? Boo Radley most certainly wouldn’t leave Miss. Havisham at the altar, and Miss. Havisham wouldn’t let our precious Boo feel unwelcomed.
8-White Witch and Sauron
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Now this pairing might not be great for the world at large, but they would be great for each other. Both live in fantasy world, the authors who created them were in real life great friends, and both crave ultimately power.
While both skilled in the powers of magic, it wouldn’t take magic to get these two working side by side.
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Imagine it: the White Witch would kill all the lions and the hero in the land, freezing them in ice just in time…
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…for Sauron to get to swinging his mace around
Talk about a power couple. The White Witch might even slip the One Ring of Power on Sauron’s little finger….
7-Pinocchio and Voldemort
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Carlo Collodi’s Pinocchio grows every time he lies, and he’s made of wood, so lie a few times and cut off the excess, and Voldemort doesn’t have to be called He-Who-Must-Not-Have-A-Nose.
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Yes, Voldemort is a racist and a tyrant who thirsts for power more than a camel thirsts for water, but Pinocchio isn’t the pinnacle of innocence. After all, there’s a reason he’s cursed to have his nose grows every time he lies.
Plus, if he and Voldemort got together, Pinocchio can use his nose for…
6-Ariel and Jaws
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Prince Eric isn’t a good fit for Hans Christie Andersen’s The Little Mermaid. He has legs, Ariel is half-fish, and if she gets together with him then she has to abandon her family. That’s a bad move, Ariel.
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But if she wants to take a walk on the wild side and still remain in the ocean, she can always go with the shark from Peter Benchley’s Jaws. Call him what you will (I call him Bruce, but others have called him Jaws or Sharkie or even Craig), but he knows his way around the wide ocean and can show Ariel a whole new world under the sea.
Ah, they always say there’s plenty of fish in the sea, but at least these two fish found each other. Maybe that’ll be the new plot for the new Disney remake!
5-Mrs Robinson and Oedipus
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Mrs. Robinson from Charles Webb’s 1963 novella The Graduate is trapped in a loveless marriage. She’s only married to her husband because she got pregnant and needed to avoid a scandal, and thus she hooks up with young Benjamin Braddock. But Benjamin is only into her because he’s bored. He doesn’t love her.
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Oedipus from the seminal play Oedipus Rex has a thing for older women. Yes, he didn’t know he was married to his mom, but she was still older than him. So maybe we can avoid the whole I-gotta-pluck-out-my-eyes thing and just have Oedipus meet up and see where things go with Mrs. Robinson. She’s old enough to be his mom, and that should be enough for dear old Ed.
4-Paul Bunyun and Jack Torrence
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Straight from American folklore is the biggest and the best lumberjack in the business: Paul Bunyan.
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Straight from the mind of Stephen King is Jack Torrence. Now Mr. King was quite unhappy with the changes Stanley Kubrick made in his film adaptation, so we’ll have a chance to mend things here.
In the book Jack Torrence has a roque mallet, so maybe Paul can give him his iconic ax. Plus, since Paul’s ax might be a bit big for Jack, he can buy one here and, once Jack has his iconic ax, well…
Or maybe something more…
3-Katniss and The Chershire Cat
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This goes beyond the fact that ‘Katniss’ kind of, sort of, sounds like ‘cat’ and the Cheshire Cat is, well, a cat.
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For one, Katniss from Suzanne Collins’ The Hunger Games never really loved Peta. Two, Cheshire Cat from Lewis Caroll’s Alice in Wonderland knows his way around the block and would have helped her big time before, during, and after those pesky Hunger Games.
Plus, the Cheshire Cat is funny, and you know what they say….
2-Christine and Pennywise
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An evil car…
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..and an evil clown, what could be better? We already know Pennywise has a thing for cars…
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So maybe it’s time for Christine to rev Pennywise’s engine.
1-The Grinch and Cat in the Hat
These two iconic characters from the Dr. Seuss universe are meant for each other.
Their first meet up might not have gone well….
…but we all know it’s a much made in heaven.
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Quilts of Valor honors veterans
Military service is a badge of honor for so many Americans. It is a commitment and a sacrifice that so many have made throughout the years since our country was founded. Whether they served in a military conflict or outside of those wars, their value is
recognized in so many ways by those of us that rely on their service for our freedom. Missouri River Quilts of Valor is one organization that ensures our treasured veterans feel appreciated.
A longtime member of Capital Electric Cooperative (CEC), Ervin Jose served his country during World War II. A petty officer 2nd class in the U.S. Navy, he worked as a radar operator in the South Pacific. In 1945, he married Florence Benz on Knob Hill in San Francisco when he was stationed on Treasure Island. After his honorable discharge from the Navy in Oct. 1945, they returned to North Dakota, living in Bismarck where he worked security at Union Ford until moving to their farm north of Regan in April 1948. They raised six children together and held their family close through a lot of years.
To recognize veterans like Ervin, the Missouri River Quilts of Valor chapter presents them with a homemade quilt that represents the patriotism they embody. Their mission is to cover service members and veterans touched by war with a comforting and healing quilt. It is their way of saying thank you for your service, sacrifice and valor.
Ervin passed away at age 102 in August 2020. His daughter and CEC member, LeAna Hug, fondly remembers the quilt presentation ceremony that was held earlier this year. “Dad was very touched by receiving the quilt. It meant so much to him that his service was being recognized,” she remembers.
Group Leader Arlene Meissel applied for an Operation Round Up grant on behalf of the Missouri River chapter in August 2020. The five-person board of the CEC Charitable Trust awarded Quilts of Valor $900 to be used for quilting supplies. This amount is enough to cover the cost of three quilts. The five Operation Round Up directors were very pleased to fund such a worthwhile and meaningful program.
In her application, Meissel noted the group awards quilts based on nominations received and the local chapter’s inventory. They give priority to the elderly and those with health issues. “Our priority when receiving funds is purchasing fabric to construct quilts. However, we are in continuous need of many other supplies,” she wrote.
A former CEC employee, Judy Ruzicka, is among those who have made quilts for Quilts of Valor. “It’s such a great program, people are genuinely touched by the gesture. I’m happy to be part of it,” she says. Mary Dunn, wife of former CEC employee Rich Dunn, is also involved with the program.
Operation Round Up is a program in which electric cooperative members voluntarily round up their monthly utility bills to the nearest dollar and donate their change to local individuals, groups or charities with a specific need. The money pools and accumulates, and an elected board of co-op members reviews the grant applications that have been submitted and determines where the money will best make a difference.
For information on the local and national Quilts of Valor organizations, visit missouririverqov.weebly.com or www.qovf.org, or find “Missouri River Quilts of Valor” on Facebook. You may also contact Group Leader Arlene Meissel for information at 701-471-6147 or by email, missouririverqov@yahoo.com.
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For almost 15 years Kirkham has been manufacturing the finest aluminum bodied roadsters in an old jet fighter factory in Poland. They have an enviable reputation in the industry for stunning aluminum bodies and their sophisticated billet suspension made in-house on the latest CNC equipment and CAD design software.
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Kirkham hubs are a true pin drive “knock off” design that has benefited from Formula 1 technology. The hubs are no longer made of 4340 chromoly but of heat treated 17-4 PH stainless with a tensile strength of 200,000 psi. This exotic alloy is 4 times more expensive to buy than chromoly. Where others use a cheap fiberglass bucket they use a complex welded tubular frame. Its the only way to build an authentic seat.
Kirkham Motorsports History.
Kirkham Motorsports was founded in 1995 with the mission to build the finest replicas in the world. It all began when brothers, David and Thomas Kirkham, were restoring their own Cobra, CSX3104. At the same time, a relative bought and imported a Polish fighter jet and invited them to see this relic of the Cold War. As the brothers looked at the airplane, they couldn't help but notice the striking similarities between it and CSX3104. They wondered if the people who built the plane could build an exact replica of a Cobra. They found the name of the manufacturer and sent them a fax. The simple note they scribbled read, "Can you guys build an aluminum bodied car?" Within 12 hours, they received the reply, "No problem."
A week later, David was on an airplane to Warsaw with an English-Polish dictionary, a toy model of a Cobra, and a dream. He spent a week scouting the factory and exploring their manufacturing abilities. He saw a silent factory with idle machines. The enormous factory had produced aircraft for over 60 years. During the tour, David knew this was the place he wanted to build cars. After meeting with three generations of skilled craftsmen eager to make these cars, he forged some agreements and left filled with high expectations and enthusiasm.
Since that trip over 10 years ago, Kirkham Motorsports has become one of the leading manufacturers in the component car industry. At the inception of the company, KM focused on building the most accurate replicas in the business. Kirkham Motorsports still offers incredibly accurate replicas, but technology and manufacturing techniques have evolved since the 1960’s. KM is an engineering focused company and has been able to push the performance envelope without forgetting originality.
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← “Excited about being on the dark side.”
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So near, and yet so far.
One thing I can’t help wondering about after reading this piece by Bill Shanks – okay, one thing after I wondered why the Macon Telegraph can’t find somebody who writes better than Bill Shanks – is would people be moaning about an 8-4 season in 2013 if C.J. Mosley hadn’t tipped that pass and Mitchell had come down with it to put last year’s Georgia squad in a national title game?
My point here isn’t to play woulda, coulda. I’m simply asking how much Georgia making a title game after winning the SEC would have changed your current perception of the program and Richt, assuming your feelings are similar to those of Shanks’. If your position is that it wouldn’t have and that 2013 reflects not so well on either, I respect your intellectual consistency. If, though, you admit that you wouldn’t feel nearly as harshly about both had Georgia faced Notre Dame, are you really saying that your disappointment boils down to a tipped pass?
Again, I’m not asking if you agree with Shanks’ arguments. I’m sure many of you do. I’m just curious how much you’d be complaining if Mosley hadn’t made a great play. Tell me in the comments.
171 responses to “So near, and yet so far.”
I’ve been one that botches now an then about coaches, but I am all for this coaching staff staying in place. The only caveats are I really have my doubts about Lakatos being the right guy… And Grantham needs to show his ability to adapt in some of his coaching philosophies. But I see very little that isn’t fixable. Given the adversity the coaches and players have had to gace this year, it’s hard for me to bitch about 8-4, and the most maddening thing is that we had a real deal offense that could have gotten it done with a serviceable defense, which I really don’t think we had, even when healthy….. And I HATE that for Aaron Murray most of all. But the coaching turnaround Mark Richt did behind the scenes that led us to last year’s outcome and almost outcome, convinced me that we can’t ask for much more, IMO.
I had the same thought earlier this year when Murray’s legacy was being discussed. For the people that thought he was “pretty good” or “slightly above average” (yes, I heard plenty of it). The difference between “Legend” and “slightly above average” is supposed to be more than a fingertip.
Parrish Walton (@ParrishWalton)
The real question to ask is would this season have been a disappointment had the injuries been less intrusive? With a healthy Gurley UGA beats Vandy and Missouri. I firmly believe that. And with a healthy WR core I think we beat AUB. So would 10-2 or 11-1 be a disappointment? Some seasons are lost due to unforeseen issues. 2013 was one of those seasons. It sucks, but that’s life. But if 2013 is the final straw that breaks a fan’s back, that seems silly to me.
@gatriguy
I get that. The problem is that most people have already made up their minds on Richt, so the injuries this year are similar to the injuries in Goff’s last year, in that detractors are overlooking their impact because their minds are already set.
Spot on. People see AUB winning and get pissed (as do I). But sometimes it’s harder to accept there isn’t much to be done. AUB is playing for a national title with a defense ranked 95th !!! in YPP. Think about that. You know how hard it is to pull that off? You need not just some luck, but an enormous amount of it. Georgia is in a better position than every school in the SEC except Bama moving forward. People need to understand that.
Will (the other one)
If we’re going to play “what if” with injuries, a healthy Gurley for the entire game, and certain and full game from 100% Gurely plus Malcom Mitchel and we’re talking about possibly not losing a game, even with a mess on D. (The Vandy and UT games aren’t close, and the Missouri and Auburn games look like the Sakerlina and LSU games.)
But that would be a mix of the luck to stay healthy, and Murray + Gurely carrying us.
As crappy as part of this season has been, the lackluster results will hopefully spark far more effort than making the title game with a lesser squad than 2012’s. (For example, the questioning of Friend and the OL is a lot less loud if we went 12-0 or 11-1.)
Bulldawg165
Saying that our disappointment boils down to a tipped pass is pretty simplistic. We had a heck of a break with the blocked FG returned for TD and we didn’t capitalize on it in the end. Without that play (that rivals Auburn’s FG returned for TD in every aspect except timing and final outcome) we’re down by 11 on our final drive (and possibly 14 if the FG is good).
We had the lucky break we always wanted but we didn’t play well enough the rest of the game to capitalize on it. That’s the difference between teams like us and teams like Auburn.
Again, I’m not asking you to vent (or, in your case, re-vent). I’m simply asking if Georgia had made the play at the end to win the game, would it affect your perception of the program?
If you don’t want to answer the question, that’s fine. But I really don’t want to hear the same old stuff rehashed in this thread. Thanks.
I assumed your question was at least a little rhetorical. How could someone NOT feel better about their team after a MNC?
If I’m asking for responses, I think you can assume the question wasn’t rhetorical.
Senator, if the tipped pass in the 2012 SECCG had been an isolated event I would agree with your premise. Unfortunately, it is not. Rather, the tipped pass is another in a long line of end of game failures/in game failures that the coaching staff and its defenders want to lay off as “bad luck.” Just like the tipped pass to the opposition in the ’13 Auburn game was “bad luck.” Just like the missed FG in the bowl against Michigan State was “bad luck.” I could go on and on and list a whole lot of similar events that cost us games during the CMR tenure but what’s the point? The truth is these all occurred as a direct result of end of game coaching errors. I don’t want CMR’s head. I want him to learn from his mistakes and start making decisions that win games rather than lose them. Ivy Leaguer had it right in a post yesterday. CMR needs to get an expert to analyze the reasons behind this and fix the problem but he appears to be in denial or too stubborn to do that.
How is the tipped pass a coaching failure? How is the Auburn play a coaching failure? The Barn QB threw the ball up into double (triple coverage). When the ball was released, every coach on that field thought the same thing: INC or INT, game over. The tipped pass was absurd. It was tipped in just the right way to fall to just the wrong person. Does it suck to come up short (in excruciating ways)? Damn right it does. But throwing the baby out with the bath water is a dangerous game. Ask Nebraska, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Alabama (pre Saban), etc…
Well, one could argue that the pass was tipped because Gurley didn’t step into Mosley like he was supposed to on the play. Or that throwing it to the front of the end zone rather than deeper into the end zone brings a tipped pass that is going to be caught short into play. But whatevs.
This. The pass was tipped because the RB didn’t meet Mosley at the LOS and instead let him into the backfield before picking up the block. Watch the replay on Youtube, folks.
Irwin R Fletcher
A segment of the Georgia fan base and Bill Shanks in a web chat circa 1863-
“Stonewall is a good general, but he’s not Robert E Lee. Why is he so stoic and reserved? He sure does win a lot of battles, but he’s never won the big one. His faith makes him soft. Can’t we get someone like Grant or Sherman that get angry when they lose? I want some emotion. And don’t tell me that getting shot by friendly fire isn’t bad leadership instead of luck? It’s always something with him…i got shot by friendly fire. I caught pneumonia after the amputation.”
I blame the Confederate pickets. What happened in Chancellorsville stays in Guinea Station. Sure, he had a combat reputation as a genius with no off-switch but what kind of offensive and defensive coordinator was he “as displayed by his weak and confused efforts during the Seven Days Battles around Richmond in 1862.” (¿Amirite wiki?)
Both you guys got it all wrong. Stonewall Jackson was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. It’s not his or the Confederate picket’s fault. Sh!t just happens. It’s fate, Kharma, whatever you want to call it, but it certainly isn’t anything that could have been avoided with better communication or planning. I for one am sick and tired of people like you 2 trying to blame what happened to Gen. Jackson on lack of preparation or some other controllable phenomena. It’s just bad luck. Quit trying to blame some innocent kid on sentry duty for killing the best General in the Confederate Army. How was he to know that the General was going to ride by at night? He did exactly as he was taught–shoot first and ask questions later. He just reacted instinctively. It is not necessary for him to think, he’s just a soldier not a commander. And Stonewall never could have foreseen that riding through combat lines at night might result in one of his own troops shooting him. How could anyone ever imagine such an unforeseeable thing? Next time the Kharmic Bitches will be on our side and Grant will get shot by HIS people. Just wait and see. This will all turn out fine for the South in the end. Let’s just keep on going like always–no changes. We are destined to win.
I don’t disagree. I think it was likely a freshman mistake, rather than a coaching error.
So every single failed play is a coaching failure? Got it.
JonDawg
Surely you’ve noticed that sign hanging around that dead horse’s neck that states just that..
Seriously. The tipped pass was a coaching error? It was a guy on the other team making a play.
I’d say, yes, it would affect it. Having a 3rd SEC title (by way of beating everyone’s favorite deity) and playing for (and most likely winning) the title would. However, I also think people need to realize how much luck goes into these things. Look at Auburn. Take the two games they won to close the reg season out of it. They still needed Mich St to beat Ohio State. They did nothing in 2013 Georgia didn’t do in 2002. Only difference is Ohio State converts a 4th and 7 against Purdue in 2002 and Michigan State beats the Buckeyes in 2013.
Then you have the tipped pass last year. You also have a different voting mindset this year compared to 2007, when many felt UGA was the best team to close the year, but was jumped by a team 4 places behind them due to not winning their division. The state of the program is much stronger than the debbie downers want to admit, but I get seeing your rivals win adds to that.
James Stephenson
Especially in comparison to the Goff and Donnan years.
Jim Donnan’s last 4 years he was 35-13. That’s a winning percentage of 73%, which is almost exactly the same as CMR’s. Just sayin.’
And what was Donnans record against Tenn, Florida, Auburn and Tech those years?
Something like 6-12. (There were some games Tech, I believe, had to forfeit). There was an interesting article I read once about Donnan, talking about, in retrospect, what a good record he had in light of the fact that FU and UT were in the top 5-10 teams nationally the whole time Donnan was HC at Georgia, each winning a national championship during that span. Tech had O’Leary as its HC and had the best stretch it ever had since Bobby Dodd in the 50s, too. Donnan won the second most games in his 5 year tenure of any coach starting out at Georgia in history up to that time. The higher one was back in the 20s. Donnan didn’t get fired because of losing too many games. That’s a myth. He got fired because (1) he was a prick and (2) he refused to replace his son as QB coach when given a direct order to do so by Mike Adams. The “he had a bad record against our main rivals” argument was just used to justify to the masses Adams’ firing of Donnan.
And I would say it was Quincy Carter that got him fired. But Auburn was not a top 5-10 program at the time. And Tenn was still a top 5-10 program when Richt arrived in Ga. And Auburn has been one consistently in Richts tenure. Fact is, we fire Richt, we will get goff Redux. Then we will hire a coach who will have to work to get us to what Richt has us at now and then will have to be lucky where Richt has not been.
Who is saying fire Richt? I’m certainly not. I’m just saying that Donnan’s record isn’t as bad as some have portrayed it to be. P.S. Q: What do Billy Graham and Quincy Carter have in common? A: They both can get a stadium full of 100,000 people to jump to their feet in unison and scream, “JESUS!!!”
A blocked kick returned for a touchdown equates to a kid missing a 57 yarder and THAT being returned for a touchdown?
No. It Doesn’t.
That’s not even the entire story. Your question leaves out the timing of both plays.
The sequence of touchdowns in a close game is irrelevant because no single touchdown contributes to the final score any more than any other touchdown. The timing only magnifies the *perception* of the play. Auburn’s FG return for TD didn’t help them win any more than the first TD they scored during the game. If you flip the order of the TDs the end result is the same, the odds of the FG returned for TD is the same, but nobody is talking about “luck.”
ETennDawg
Valid point. But, do you think Auburn returns the kick if it were the 3rd qtr? I am thinking they would have watched it sail and taken the ball around midfield. Perhaps scoring, perhaps turning it over on downs, perhaps turning it over, perhaps losing Marshall to injury.
Point being, if Alabama attempts the FG sometime other than the end of the game – Auburn doesnt return it.
This season would still be disappointing even if we’d won the 2012 SECCG and the BCSCG, mainly because of the injuries, but also because of the shafting in Nashville and the hand of Satan at Auburn. But, had we won out in 2012, at least the program wouldn’t seem as star-crossed as it does now.
I did not read the article because I do not want to give him the page hit. If his argument is that Richt has not gotten UGA to a BCS championship game and that makes him an inferior coach to Les Miles, then I ask. Richt lost 1 game in 2002 but did not play in the BCS championship because Ohio State completed a long 4th down pass to beat some Big ten team and stay undefeated. Miles got his crystal football with a 2 loss team and only got into the game because Pitt upset West Virginia. What coaching did Miles do that Richt would not have been able to do on behalf of Pitt to cause WVA to lose? What would Miles had done differently as coach of the Bulldogs in 2002 to make Ohio State miss that 4th down pass?
Corch Irvin Meyers was more fortunate with a 1 loss team in 2006 than we were with a 1 loss team in 2002. Meyers, WHILE BUSY COACHING IN THE SEC CC, made some brillant coaching moves on behalf of UCLA to cause UCLA to upset number 2 USC, The Shanks of the world say, “Meyer can get a team to the BCS. Richt cannot, as if Meyer woudl have personally intercepted Ohio State’s 4th down pass in 2002.
A few years ago Shanks’s bitching was that Richt had not beaten Florida enough. Now we have beaten it 3 ties in a row he has to complain about something else. If we win the playoffs in 2014 he will bitch that Richt cannot repeat and is no better than Chizik if we do not win again in 2015.
It’s actually worse that that…his argument is that Richt can’t coach because:
(a) he didn’t throw a tantrum in 2008 when Bama was killing them
(b) he is a bad coach because we don’t get the lucky breaks. Seriously…luck happens when you have a ‘special season’
Oh..and that South Carolina would have run off Spurrier if he went 10-19 against ranked opponents…which makes total sense because Spurrier didn’t start his first 5 seasons at Carolina with a sub .500 record in the SEC and has won tons of SEC titles while he has been there.
Governor Milledge
Exactly. SC NEVER has won an SEC title and only holds 1 conference title in THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY. SC began the whole trend of the “East” title
If Spurrier won even one SEC conference title for SC, Columbia would burn itself down in ebullent celebration before re-building the Capitol in his likeness.
I think it’d change our perceptions, of course, but not really change reality. We’ve got a great coach and program. My biggest concern is that we don’t and haven’t had a D that can win the dang game. It’s always up to the offense to win some last minute miracle or seal the deal because we sure as heck can’t count on the D winning it for us.
-Bama we led in the 4th (and by 11 in the 3rd)
-Clemson we led 21-7
-Vandy we led by 10 in the 4th
-Mizzou we pulled within 2 in the 4th and couldn’t stop a backup QB to get the ball back to our All-Conference kicker.
-Auburn…you know the story.
Win the game for us. Win it. Stop them. We’re ahead. We made the play. Stop them. Even against LSU, the offense had to go BACK down the field and score. When we scored I didn’t even celebrate because there was too much time left and we hadn’t stopped them all day.
Had Mosley not tipped that pass, we still wouldn’t have stopped them and that story would be the same, we’d just have a crystal football to go with it. And, I wonder if we can win with the style of ball we play if we just can’t stop people. Every D has games they can’t stop people. See LSU vs. us or Bama vs. A & M. But we never stop people. That bothers me. We never seem to have enough points. I’m always worried about that. Without the injuries this year, it might not matter. We might have just outscored folks. The two most disappointing moments for me were Mizzou and Tech. With a depleted roster in a huge game at home, coming off 3 straight wins when the offense carried us, we needed the D and Mizzou shredded us right out of the gate. Same thing at Tech. Back-up QB finding his footing, we need the D to stand up and keep us in this game…and they shred us. The D doesn’t seem to have a gas pedal, and I’m not sure what that means going forward.
We were babies back there, that’s for sure, and they’re going to get better. I believe that. I hope we have the staff over there to do it, but, frankly, I’m unsure. I’m hopeful Grantham surprises me.
Had Mosley not tipped that pass, we still wouldn’t have stopped them and that story would be the same, we’d just have a crystal football to go with it. And, I wonder if we can win with the style of ball we play if we just can’t stop people.
That’s a fair question. So is that how you feel about Auburn? Because Shanks obviously doesn’t.
This. Shanks says we should imulate auburn and then rants about the D. I could be wrong but I think our D was actually better than theirs this year.
SSB Charley
I’m fully in favor of immolating Auburn.
It’s ready. Al from Dadeville has already cleared the foliage. The only thing to worry about now are the machine gun pillboxes on the TOOMER’S DRUGS® fortification and taking out the Forestry Department fire tower pickets
I think the difference is that Auburn is trying to score 50 every game and just rolls with it, and I’m not sure we are. I thought about them, because their D is wretched, and they didn’t stop us on that night on the Plains. Had we 10 more seconds, I think we win the game anyway.
It’s the style. We play kind of like Bama. We’re more explosive, but we’re not trying to go a hundred miles per hour the whole game and score 50. I’m okay with that. We play kind of hoping our D will put up some resistance, but we can’t.
For the record, I don’t think the Auburn ‘dynasty’ will last. I think FSU will smoke them. I think defenses will figure out that offense and game-plan and recruit to stop it. I think they’ll never have a good D there, and it will eventually cost them. What has happened with them this year is nearly unexplainable, as we all know. Like Tech, I don’t think they’re D will ever get a good look in practice to prepare them, which will end up costing them over the long haul.
No one can stop the Florida Marilins of the SEC West. Of course, no one can stop Jameis either.
What’s with all of this whining regarding 2002 and a 1 loss GA team not getting to play for the MNC? We’d have played for it with one loss in at LEAST 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011, 2012 and 2013.
Every SEC team that has won it since then either had an undefeated season or multiple seasons with only 1 loss. We’ve never had an undefeated season and we’ve only had ONE season with only 1 loss. Sorry folks, but the banter about our 2002 season should be dropped.
LSU won the SEC in ’07 with two losses.
And UGA can only blame themselves for that.
LSU also only lost once in 2004 and were undefeated in 2011, so my statement still stands. We should put together more than one good season before complaining about being unlucky, because every other SEC team that’s played for a MNC (or won) has done so.
Again, you’ve been there, done that with the luck stuff. Please give it a rest in this thread.
Half of the posts in this thread have some variation of “UGA was unlucky in 2002, 2007 and 2012.” This feeling has been re-hashed hundreds, if not thousands, of times on this blog. It really bothers you that I’m voicing a dissenting opinion for the second time?
165 is right. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, Bluto. Almost all the Disney Dawg posts above are just regurgitating “bad luck, bad luck, bad luck” to the point of absurdity, and basically ignore the reasons behind why things happened.
If your reply is meant for my post above, I am not whining about not playing for the BCS NC in 2002. I was pointing out that factors beyond the control of the SEC champions’ coaches affect whether the SEC champ could get into the BCS CG.
If the complaint about Richt boils down to the fact that he was not able to get into the BCS game then the comparison between the teams above us not losing and the good fortune UF in 2006 or LSU in 2007 had shouldn’t “be dropped.”
By the way, the 2005 SEC champion had 2 loses, as well.
Both of those teams have put together multiple seasons like ours in 2002. We’ve only put together one. The more often you put yourself in position to take advantage of luck, the more lucky you will appear.
No, LSU has not put together multiple seasons as ours in 2002. It lost 2 games in 2007. It has 1 one loss BCS championship (2003). UF, it is true, does have has one more 1 loss SEC championship than us.
What is your response to the point of this thread? The question is, “If we had completed the last play pass for a TD and beaten Alabama and then beaten ND would your [perception of Richt and the program change for the better?” You have typed a bunch of words but have not answered the question.
I answered the question above. It’s a silly question and of course the answer is yes. I’m saying these things because the comments are flooded by disney dawgs who pretend like Georgia has had nothing but bad luck and other programs have nothing but good luck.
Oh, as far as 1 or 0 loss conference championships, Florida has FOUR in the past 20 years (1995, 1996, 2006 and 2008). LSU has TWO (2003 and 2011). Auburn has THREE (2004, 2010 and 2013).
Seems like putting together a good season more than once every blue moon tends to yield good results, huh?
Try to keep up 😉
Why is it a silly question to ask if a single play has much of an effect on how you view the program?
1) It assumes, pretty boldly, that the pass would have been a TD even though Malcom Mitchell was covered pretty tightly (and it just as likely could have been picked off)
2) Generally speaking, playing for a MNC is going to make anyone view their program better than playing in the Capital One bowl will, and
3) The question pretends like the tipped pass is the only reason we didn’t play for the MNC. We were only a tipped pass away because of how lucky we were to have a blocked field goal returned for a TD earlier in the game. How can you ignore this play but attribute so much to Auburn’s similar play against Bama? And then go on to talk about “intellectually consistency”…?
By the way, Bluto, what’s your answer to the question?
Which question is that? 😉
You’re missing the fucking point.
I’m not asking about luck. Say what you will about how Georgia got there, the fact remains that it was one play away from beating Alabama. For purposes of this one stinking post, I don’t care how Georgia put itself in position to pull that off, but the fact remains it was there. All I want to know is if it had been a Georgia player making a great play instead of Mosley, would Shanks have written the same column? And if your feelings about the program would be different, what does it say that one play can have such an impact on your view of things?
Why is this so hard for you to grasp? Others in this thread seem to have figured out what I’m interested in.
I grasp it, and I’ve answered your question (twice).
What’s your answer to the question?
You answered this?
And if your feelings about the program would be different, what does it say that one play can have such an impact on your view of things?
I must have missed it. Sorry.
It means I am the same as every other fan and care more about actual results than “coulda woulda shoulda.”
A single play can change everything. Except for Josh Harvey-Clemons knocking an INT (or drop) away from Tray Matthews, Alabama is playing FSU in the Natty, all else being equal. How much differently is Bama and Bama’s season viewed if they’re playing for 3 in a row in a few weeks?
Question I’d like to explore: If you KNEW you’d be playing in the Natty once every 5 years, would you accept 2 losing seasons in the 4 out years? My answer: hells yeah.
I think most fans would.
Went back and read your original post again and my question answers your question. Your premise: Pass isn’t tipped, Mitchell makes catch, UGA plays in Natty. I’ll extend the premise: UGA likely wins Natty against ND. So your question becomes, “Would people who are bitching about 8-4 be doing so if UGA won the Natty last year?” We agree that most fans would put up with 2 losing seasons in 5 just to PLAY in the Natty much less win it. Ergo, most fans would not be bitching about 8-4 if pass isn’t tipped and Mitchell makes play.
Funny you should say that Senator because several of our posters just in the few days were waxing on eloquently about how UGA’s program under CMR is superior to Auburn because the Dawgs are more consistent–none of those ridiculous lows to balance off against those undeserved highs (like winning the BCSNC) as Auburn has done. “We’re better because we stay on an even keel.”
I used the word “most”, Mayor.
FWIW I agree with you on that point.
I honestly think that his articles screams “read me”. Maybe that is his plan, because everything that I have read in the past seems that way. If you break down the season this year, I honestly think that CMR may have done his best coaching job since he has been here. The team played hard every down. Luck is a big part of your season and record. This is probably the worst year as far as injuries….especially key injuries, that I have ever seen any college team have. In short, I was happy the way the team performed this year under the circumstances. I certainly was happy last year. Again, luck is a big part of it….Richt is the best coach the Dawgs have ever had. I am proud of the team.
The play of last year’s SECCG wasn’t the tipped pass, it was the fact that we didn’t stop Yelton on 3rd and 5 which gave them a first down. We hit him but Williams didn’t wrap up, and Yelton got the 1st by an inch. We all remember the next play where McCaron went up top for the score. THAT was the play that lost the game.
But that’s not what I’m asking about!
I’m beginning to sense that getting people to stay on topic is futile. 😉
Yeah but I don’t care. I enjoy hijacking the topic.
The answer from any sane person would be “yes, I feel better about our program after winning the SEC and National Titles. Even with all the problems associated with this year, it’s hard to repeat therefore I can accept the disaapointment of this season”.
“it’s hard to repeat therefore I can accept the disaapointment of this season”.”
I had a dream that I was in Auburn…
Like trying to herd cats….. OK I’ll jump in… from my perspective if we had won the SECCG (and most likely MNC) last year I think I would have the same level of frustration regarding how this season went, but may have cut the coaches additional slack because they proved they could get us to the mountain top.
66DAWGnNC
The problem with such a question dear Senator is you have too many “coaches” on this blog that know more about how to win both a SEC and National championship more than Mark Richt does. My advice to them: apply for the dang job! Surely some one out there is looking for a “coach” that has all the answers and can win all their games.
Right, only those “in the arena” should have an opinion, right?
“I ALMOST won the trial and kept my client off death row. If I had just remembered to call that one witness! Oh well, I’m still a great lawyer and next time I’ll do better!”
Yeah, right, that works just about as well.
Hard to give me a straight answer, eh?
Yes, I’d certainly feel differently about Richt and the status of the program if we had won the SEC championship game played for the BCS championship last year. Feel better?
Silliest question ever.
I have been a trial lawyer for 35 years this coming June (UGA Law class of 1979, proud to say.) I can tell you that I have seen juries rule against great lawyers. Lawyers cannot change the facts and sometimes crappy assistant D.A.s get convictions because their facts are just better. I have seen Bobby Lee Cook walk out of a courtroom after a jury convicted his client.
Bobby Lee Cook is a terrible lawyer who relies on luck and can’t win the big one. Nick Saban has never lost a case.
A couple of points Senator: I agree Shanks isn’t the greatest writer in the world, but the quality of his writing doesn’t diminish the purpose of his point which has been consistent for almost 6 years. He wants his alma mater to win a national title and doesn’t think Richt can get them there (an opinion that incidentally, he isn’t alone on). Is that really so horrible? He thinks Richt is sheltered from a lot of criticism because he’s a good man. That’s hard to prove for sure one way or the other, but I can see where he’s coming from there. He’s right about UGA fans selling the program short and the defeatist attitude of “who are you going to get that’s any better?” Five years ago, no one outside of Palo Alto knew who David Shaw was. Ten years ago, Gus Malzahn was coaching high school football in Arkansas. Fifteen years ago, Nick Saban was going 8-4 in the Big 10 and couldn’t get Michigan St. over the hump. To think that Mark Richt is the only football coach in the country that can win big at UGA is myopic to the point of absurdity.
Also, it’s time to get past the “tipped pass” story line. We didn’t lose to Alabama because of a tipped pass. We lost because Bama ran for 350. We lost because of timeout management in the second half (shocking development, I know). We lost because once we got up by 10, Alabama’s play sheet could have fit on a cocktail napkin and we couldn’t stop it. Garner never built any depth on the line, JJ and Kwame played with horrible technique, and Grantham never subbed for Tree and Robinson, even though he had Herrera and Wilson.
YMMV of course, but I personally don’t see a lot inappropriate with Shank’s comments. People can disagree of course, but it’s hard to dismiss out of hand as being completely off base.
To answer the Senator’s question I would say, “Yes” and you would say “No,” right?
Not that it’s on topic, but UGA gave up 512 yards in the SEC championship game last year. Auburn gave up 534 yards in the SEC championship game this year. Perhaps Malzahn is too Christian to have a good defense.
@gatriguy: Excellent post!
RocketDawg
What you two mental midgets seem to be missing is that it DOESN’T MATTER HOW we got to the last play of the game last year. How does the result of that one play in a vacuum color your perception of the program and Coach Richt?
This is not a hard question yet the two of you can’t seem to come up with a straight answer. Let me answer for you: If we had won the SEC and MNC last year the two of you would be crowing from the highest peaks about how awesome “WE” are and how “WE” won (even though the two of “you” didn’t do squat). You would wear something that says “UGA 2012 National Champions” everyday and your car/truck/moped would be covered in every sticker imaginable. But the reality is that pass was tipped and we didn’t win, so you sit here and bitch and moan about everything associated with the program. Funny how one tipped pass can change everything for small minded people.
Awww. Poor Disney rocket dawg haz hurt fee fees. Only sunshine and rainbows about our dogs until he stops PMS’ing.
What a drama queen. Heaven forbid someone put forth an opinion different from yours. Geeze.
D.N. Nation
“I agree Shanks isn’t the greatest writer in the world”
Here we should note that Bill Shanks was a huge supporter of Jeff Francoeur, and that Charlie Weis is better at his job than St. Jeffy is at his. Moving on.
“He thinks Richt is sheltered from a lot of criticism because he’s a good man.”
“Five years ago, no one outside of Palo Alto knew who David Shaw was. Ten years ago, Gus Malzahn was coaching high school football in Arkansas. Fifteen years ago, Nick Saban was going 8-4 in the Big 10 and couldn’t get Michigan St. over the hump. To think that Mark Richt is the only football coach in the country that can win big at UGA is myopic to the point of absurdity.”
Sure, but getting rid of a good-to-great coach for (enter hot new sh*t here) seems to be what the derp portion of the UGA fanbase so desperately desires, and to that, we put up a big picture of Dan Mullen and call it a day. Richt is the devil we know, and it isn’t 2009-2010 anymore. That would’ve been the time to move on. He’s gotten us to within a whisker of the national championship since. You fire him now, and who….exactly…..would want to come coach? At a program that cans coaches to the whim of Internet Fanboys? Keep in mind that Papa John was initially wary of coming to Florida because they sacked the Zooker after only three seasons.
“Also, it’s time to get past the ‘tipped pass’ story line. We didn’t lose to Alabama because of a tipped pass.”
We lost to Alabama for a number of reasons, one of which is a tipped pass. That’s brought up a lot because of how small the thing was that kept us from knocking off the champs. That’s *important*. If you don’t see that, then you’ve already made up your mind about Richt.
“We lost because of timeout management in the second half (shocking development, I know).”
If anything, the team that botched timeouts was Alabama, when Saint Saban apparently thought he could take his TOs to the second half and boned his team out of a potential TD drive to end the first half. (Also, Alabama was called for delay of game on a fake punt. And gave up a fake punt. And a long FG return for a TD. If there was any team that looked shaken and not particularly well coached that night, it was the one in crimson.)
“People can disagree of course, but it’s hard to dismiss out of hand as being completely off base.”
It’s red meat for morons. It matters squat to this program’s future. If that troubles you, there’s the door. Others (Will Trane, Ivy Leaguer) seem to have taken it, thankfully.
The Senator asked for opinions, I offered mine. You disagree. That’s fine, but not everyone does. I’m not anti-Richt. I’m not “anything” Richt. I’d like to see him win a national title at UGA, but that’s bc I want a NC. Conversely. If one side or the other decides it’s time for a change, I’m fine with that too.
Honestly, after reading all this, we got the right guy with the wrong luck. Sometimes, the tips, regular season stars aligning and injuries don’t line up. Its tough to argue you need another coach with better luck, but my golly, after watching Auburn this year, maybe there is such a thing.
This is not to say that a good chunk of this isn’t on Richt. He’s made mistakes. But as maddening as this is for some to hear, his good character and the way he treats the kids has given him some padding.
If given a choice, I WANT to see us win with Richt. But I can’t say how I would feel if we broke it all up, grayshirted and oversigned a bunch of kids, then won the National Championship on the back of a starting QB who was kicked off Texas A&M after stealing a personally signed laptop from Johnny Football.
This is basically where I’m at too: I WANT Richt to get it done, but I honestly wouldn’t be disappointed if there was a change either.
I would, if it ensured a period of instability and turnover with no clear path to just getting back to where we are now. I don’t want to be Nebraska.
Why are you so certain we would get it wrong? Have we hired the ONLY coach in America that win at UGA?
What makes you so sure we would get it right? Hiring someone better than CMR is less than a coin flip…way less.
Would be interested to see a post on how a many programs in the last few years got it wrong vs got it right.
An uninformed guesstimate is
Alabama, LSU, South Carolina, Clemson, FSU, Miami, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Penn State, Duke, Ole Miss, Arizona State, Stanford, Oregon, Washington State, Vanderbilt, Iowa State, Auburn, Central Florida, Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Miss. State, North Carolina
Wrong:
Nebraska, Florida, Tennessee, Southern Cal, Georgia Tech, Arkansas, Virginia, Southern Miss, Cal, Pitt, Rutgers, South Florida, Maryland, Michigan
Even:
Kentucky, Navy
In fairness you should list FU as being both right and wrong.
And Auburn.
Whatevs? How do you not win a national championship with Andrew Luck? Harbaugh and Shaw suck.No excuse.
And Clemson? Dabo can’t even win the ACC.
Miami? Duke? North Carolina? See Clemson.
Ohio State hasn’t won a championship since 2002. They should have fired Tressell in 2003 and hired Saban. And Corch had it lined up and CHOKED! FIRE HIM!
Carolina hasn’t won the SEC. FIRE SPURRIER!
Oregon? Puh-leeze! With all that Nike money, they should be UNDEFEATED!
Miss State and Ole Miss? Huh? They can’t beat Bama! Losing to Bama by a lot is the sure sign your coach should be FIRED!
Throwin in some perspective there eh Irwin? Nice.
When you list Alabama as a got it right are you referring to offering the job to Rich Rodreguiz before offering it to Saban? Had Rich Rod said “Yes” Saban would be somewhere else.
The only moment I keep coming back to from this season is the end of the LSU game…I still well up watching Richt and Murray at the end of that game. That 4 game stretch was as difficult as any the Georgia program has had to go through in 40 years. And Georgia beat two top 10 teams and came within a field goal of beating three.
Before injuries, this was a team that was talented enough and coached well enough to win a championship. If you watched Georgia football this season and came away with the idea that Richt can’t coach, I don’t know what you were watching.
As far as not making the championship game, I don’t know how it would change my perspective if it were different. I know this…I watched a team that was that close to the mountaintop have its goals and dreams shattered by injuries, suspensions, and bad calls…and that team didn’t quit. It didn’t ever show any signs of quit, period. The fact that these kids were mentally able to mount the kind of comebacks that they did against Auburn and Tech is remarkable.
Exactly. If you told any one of us in the hot month of August that we would be sitting at the end of September 3-1, we’d have started reserving hotel rooms in Pasadena.
Our team had it all this season to be a contender for the crystal ball, which makes the rest of the season so damn frustrating October forward. We were decimated by injuries, and our defense was never there to help carry the load at the end. Still, but for our offensive injuries we win at least two more (2 of our 3 SEC losses, you pick) and are in the SEC Championship game.
No, it wouldn’t change my perception of Richt or the program, which is that we are consistently good, never great and we’re going to be perennially about the third best team in the conference. We played our hearts out against Bama but the difference between the two programs is a lot more than 5 yards. I also don’t understand why it’s a given we would have beaten Notre Dame. We most likely win a shootout but don’t kid yourself into thinking we would have dominated the golden domers the way Alabama did, especially without John Jenkins.
I think a better question might be how we would feel if 2009-2011 hadn’t have happened? If you take those outlier years out and I’m not sure there is much to debate.
There is no question but that the fire Richt crowd would have clammed up had we gotten to the BCS championship game, even if they would claim otherwise. After all, being unreasonable is sort of their specialty. I don’t think that, like Bill Shanks, that you can judge a coach on an isolated flop like the 2008 Bama game or last year’s USC game. I think you have to look at two things: 1) are we bringing in the talent necessary to compete at the highest level? 2) are the players buying in and playing hard for 4 quarters? I think that we’ve improved dramatically since we hit bottom a couple of years ago on both counts. Moreover, I don’t think people realize that the odds of the next coach being more successful are very, very low. Could it happen? Sure? Why just take a chance simply because you can? Especially when there is no reason we can’t be in the discussion for a playoff spot in 2014.
RandallPinkFloyd
I’ve debated this several times with the people who have been on the ‘Fire Richt’ campaign since 2008. The response is about the same that this thread has garnered. I don’t think it would change my perception of the year or the program itself. This year was just frustrating and there’s just no way to overcome that sort of decimation we saw on the depth chart.. I’m not even sure Saban has recruited well enough to overcome that. My perception of the program overall wouldn’t change, which is that we have a really good coach and a really good program. Are we great? By no means. Have we had our moments? Absolutely.
I personally feel that we should consider ourselves fortunate to get as close as we did in 2012 considering what we were up against: a semi-professional franchise located in Tuscaloosa. Until our Athletics Dept and the Board ‘commit to the G’ in the same way the fan base, players and coaches do, we will always be what I described earlier. A good, but not great program/team with it’s fair share of moments (2002, 2007, 2012). The playing field is not level and what Richt has done in spite of that is one of the more impressive things I’ve seen.
Wow. I actually feel dumber for reading that. Thankfully I didn’t even know this guy existed until now. I guess he’s trying to take F-baum’s place.
“I’m just curious how much you’d be complaining if Mosley hadn’t made a great play.”
I would be bitching a lot more (if, in fact, that’s even possible) because an 8-4 would be a thermonuclear hotseat. After all, if you win the tournament once, why can’t you do it again stat!
Well, I’m not on the Fire Richt Bandwagon, so I’m not sure the question applies to me, but I’ll answer it. Of course an SEC title (and likely NC) last year would change my perception of the program. How could it not? And I would view anyone who says otherwise with skepticism, to say the least.
You are literally correct when you say that means one’s opinion comes down to a tipped pass, but that is a tad simplistic. That particular cat could be skinned many ways.
rampdawg
I live in the Macon area. I have to listen to Bill Stanks all the time. Bill is a spoiled sounding child of the me me me now now now era. Bill Stanks would have wanted Bobby Bowden and Tom Osborne fired. Why? Because FSU and Uof N didn’t win it all early or often enough. Forget all the good winning seasons they had. Bill wants it last year, this year or 8 years ago, or he’s gonna throw a hissy fit till he gets his way A lot the same can be said about a lot UGA fans on your site. Bobby and Tom were showed patience, and all the fans of the schools they coached for, were rewarded in time with multiple championships. I guess it’s the time we live in now. The rod was spared, and now we have to keep listening to whiny, big mouthed, spoiled brats who were given everything they wanted now, now, now.
Been a dawg for 52 yrs and I think Mark Richt best coach we have ever had. Dooley played a lot of bad teams every yr, but we only had two chances for a national championship. Herschel Walker yrs. Most yrs 7-3 6-4 or 8-2. Be thankful for what we have.
pcidoc
I’m sure I dont represent the mainstream opinion but the tipped pass doesn’t change my opinion of Richt or the program at all. It seems to me that Shanks and those who agree with him are wrong minded in feeling that the only successful season is one that ends with the MNC. That means 120 plus teams fail each season and only one is a success. I’d sure love for the Dawgs to get one but realize a successful season can’t be defined based on getting the crystal. That tipped pass meant to me that the team I love fought valiantly against a team that was heavily favored for the entire game, even after things went against them. I was extremely proud of that game even in the loss. Again I want my team to get that championship but playing with class, representing my University well on and off the field and not cheating matter as much to me.
Ho Lee Shit! Can’t believe all the Richt-supporting comments that question the author’s question. While it was alluded to by Shanks, the question should have been posed for Grantham, not Richt.
I don’t feel very down on Richt and the program right now, but If we had won that game I’d be swaggering around a little more, thinking that this year is just a little bump in the dynasty.
I find it hard to believe anybody wouldn’t sincerely feel better (or not as bad) about this year with Richt and the program, if we’d won that game and then beat ND last year.
To answer your question directly, I would not be complaining as much if Mosley hadn’t made that play. Mitchell would have a TD and we’d have beaten ND like they stole something.
Mitchell did make the play and another team got to beat ND like they stole something. I never wanted our guys to get back to the SEC title game as badly as I did this year–I’m sure that’s true for other fans, not to mention the players and coaches. That made the year’s disappointments that much harder to take. And it does make me more skeptical of our program and its leadership.
In short, that tipped past is leading me slowly to the grim conclusion that our favorite program is one that chronically underachieves. Call it bad luck, call it bad staff, call it inadequate administrative support, call it whatever you want. We are the flagship program in a state flourishing with football talent–we have a better deal than any other SEC team in that regard. But our program continues to demonstrate maddening tendencies that I simply no longer believe will be corrected, because they haven’t been. I won’t rehash them, because we know what they are, and you’ve made it clear that’s not the question you’re asking.
Right now, all I have is a sort of diminishing hope that somehow next year all the lights will finally go “On.” But my actual expectations are well short of that, based on past experience that includes that fateful tipped past.
Boom! Pretty much nailed it.
Well said S.D.
I am pretty much where you are SD. Think back to when CMR first took over at UGA. He said: “There has been a lid on this program and we are going to blow that lid off.” (Or words to that effect.) It appears to me that the lid is back on the program.
I have thought that same thing many times during the latter part of this season.
Sorry. Can’t give Shanks a click. He’s a troll.
Just because Football Jesus®* moved our luck and never smiles on us (except for having home rather than road games against USCe and LSU this past season) is there ever a regression to the mean for bad signs
*”Football Jesus (n.) — a separate, auxiliary Jesus maintained by America’s Christian God to handle all pre-, in-, and post-game prayer requests, as the big guy is kept somewhat busy with sick children, lost pets, failing crops, and what have you.”
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9599552/holly-anderson-college-football-grantland-dictionary
sethdavidmiller
I’ll admit that I’ve given that one play a lot of power over me in relation to my opinion of this coaching staff and the program as a whole. If it goes the other way, this season would still be brutal, but I’d be much more confident about the program.
Being honest with myself is hard, but I think it matters a ton and, sometimes, legacies are written (or changed) based on one, brief moment.
So it goes with Richt & the current UGA football program.
Seriously, Senator…throwing red meat out for the whiners? How charitable in this season of giving.
In the spirit of creating turmoil, let’s revisit a constant theme that is presented here quite often by both sides of the Richt argument…”with all of the talent in Georgia” we should de facto win a MNC as the flagship institution. This line of reasoning is the most flawed of all. Georgia turns-out some fantastic players and because of that, is also heavily recruited by all other schools. Texas, California, Florida, Louisiana and Pennsylvania also have tons of talent. There is no direct relationship to in-state high school talent and State U. winning the MNC. Yet this belief colors the perception of UGA’s program for far too many, including Mr. Shanks. If this “we have the in-state talent, why aren’t we doing better?” argument were valid, then why is it we only have 1980 to show for it since the 1960’s? You can’t blame Richt for this…try as you might.
Could another HC win the MNC at UGA? Of course…its the perfect hypothetical so why not support the position. But like I pointed-out the other day, there have only been 8 gentlemen to lead their teams to the MNC while Mark Richt has been at Georgia. 4 – 5 of them are no longer with their teams and have proven scandals left behind. So did UGA choose poorly in taking a chance on Richt? As the Senator points-out, what evidence is there that the powers controlling the HC position at UGA (which goes far beyond the AD) are capable of picking the new NC that can turn the corner?
Frankly, I wish the Senator had asked the whiners why they aren’t screaming at the top of their lungs for us to go get Mack Brown. He’s available, has exactly the resume they demand, and won’t be all that expensive. I’d love to hear the rationale for this conspicuous silence.
“I’d love to hear the rationale for this conspicuous silence.”
Because Georgia hiring Mr. Football would be too much of a good thing for Spurrier?
“The cruelest and most accurate thing ever said about Mack Brown came from Steve Spurrier. Spurrier was then the coach at Duke. Brown was at North Carolina. Spurrier was fashioning himself into a monomaniacal offensive strategist. Brown was becoming a Reaganesque CEO. When sportswriters traveled that little corner of the ACC, Spurrier would say, ‘I just don’t think I know enough about the game to compete with Mr. Football.’…..
Spurrier wouldn’t let the slur go. By 1997, he’d moved to the University of Florida and won a national championship. The sportswriter John Feinstein sent Spurrier a note saying that if he thought he was so great, he should go back to Duke. “Nah,” Spurrier wrote in his reply, “I don’t think I could deal with the pressure of competing with Mr. Football again every year.”
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10134500/the-end-era-mack-brown-texas-longhorns
And yet…here we are 20 years later with Mack Brown sitting on just as many national championships as Steve Spurrier.
No….doesn’t change my view of our team. Shanks is a finebaum wannabe and a hack.
How about the coaching staff address these two issues…:
I am all for running a clean program, running a program that values academic excellence, family atmosphere etc….some people say it’s only a game and we do the best we can and there are more important things to focus on in life……but there is also doing the BEST you can and training the players to be the best, holding the coaches to be the best and bearing down on EVERY detail of the program to make sure the University and the kids and alumni are absolutely getting the most out of their program possible. It’s not happening up there. It’s a joke. It’s not even CLOSE at UGA. Aaron Murray and Stafford go through that program and not SEC titles in those 7 years. AJ and Moreno too.
A microcosm of this is this:
Between 2007-2012 these are the following recruiting numbers:
Auburn 164 players
LSU 151
S Car 163
UGA 130
That is a joke, with these numbers you just can’t compete and that is why UGA is 6-17 against ranked opponents. I understand you don’t want to oversign and gray shirt and run kids off, but you also can use some common sense and understand there is going to be attrition like Nick Marshall and Chris Sanders and some of the OL that have quit. We started FOUR true freshmen on defense this year in Wiggins, Floyd, Matthews, Langley and. That is 100% unacceptable for a team that could’ve made a run. It lost us every game. Clemson was a joke with Connor Norman and Brandon Langley playing. Neither played much the rest of the season.
The 2nd microcosm is the fact that every year our special teams is horrible. Pathetic.
Punt return team 103rd nationally
Kickoff return 111
Punt team 74th
Kickoff coverage 96th
special teams blunders in 2013 and how they impacted the scoreboard.
· Botched field goal in the third quarter against Clemson (Georgia lost by three)
· Fumbled snap on a punt in the second quarter against South Carolina (South Carolina scored a touchdown one play later)
· 99-yard kickoff return for a touchdown in the second quarter by North Texas (Cut the Mean Green deficit to seven)
· Blocked punt returned for a touchdown in the third quarter by North Texas (tied the game)
· Blocked punt returned for a touchdown in the third quarter by Tennessee (tied the game)
· Fake field goal for a touchdown in the second quarter by Vanderbilt (gave Vandy the lead)
· Fumbled punt return late in the third quarter against Vanderbilt (Vandy scored a touchdown on the ensuing drive to cut Georgia’s lead to six)
· Bad snap on a punt in the fourth quarter vs. Vanderbilt (Commodores scored the game-winning touchdown one play later)
Maybe he magically puts it together next year. I really hope so. I hope the talent so overwhelms the other teams, we can’t help but win.
And success is not wins and losses per se or if they win a MNC or not, although that is a part of it, success is much more attributed to playing at the highest level possible every week given your talent and resources. Demanding excellence. It is NOT playing just good enough to win games and having a coach not demand and correct mistakes and not communicate to the public, the alumni and the players and coaches that “we expect to play better, this was not the way we expect to perform at GA (and when playing far inferior competition) and we will make the necessary changes to make sure it does not ….”
Hope you don’t mind me commenting on this.
As an outsider, I think y’all should be hugely disappointed in this year – despite AND because of the tipped pass.
In the pre-season, I believe I had UGA pegged to go 11-1 with the loss being to Clemson. You guys were the team I feared the most of the other 13. Yes, there were losses on defense, but the offense looked to be unstoppable.
In my opinion, the loss in the SECCG last year should have stoked a fire for a title run this year. So from that perspective, 8-4 would be a huge downer.
It did stoke the fire of a title run. We were on that title run until we had our best offensive skill players on the shelf with multiple game or season-ending injuries. When we went to the spread, there wasn’t a defense that could handle the combination of Scott-Wesley, Bennett, Conley, and one of the tight ends with Gurley/Marshall out of the backfield. That’s with our best big play guy hurt on the first play from scrimmage with Malcolm Mitchell. Eventually, Murray gets hurt the week before our rivalry game.
Bama would have had some of the same issues with Cooper, Yeldon, Drake and others. Then to lose McCarron the week before Auburn, I’m not sure you guys could have survived all of that to go 11-1.
I’m disappointed but it’s about the defense for me. When the offense was trying to find its way less a bunch of pieces, the defense and special teams didn’t pull their weight.
I guess I was coming from the perspective of simply looking at the end results from each year.
Hard to do that, though.
There is a difference b/w being disappointed and thinking the program is in a state of complacency, needing new leadership, etc.
I’m disappointed in 8-4. Especially after the 3-1 start against three top 10 teams. But you can’t lose your grip on reality.
This team had to play Mizzou, a top 10 team, and Vandy pretty much without Mitchell, Gurley, Marshall, Scott Wesley, Bennett, Matthews, Rome, Rumph, Norman, and Reggie Wilkerson.
I’m disappointed Georgia finished 8-4, but it is different than 2009 when you just wondered if it had passed the team by. It feels more like 2006 when it was easy to get down about losses to Kentucky and Vandy, but I felt good about the way the team competed and how Stafford was developing, etc.
In the last three seasons, the two where the team hasn’t been decimated by injuries, Georgia made the SECCG and in the other has a chance for 9 wins and finished 5-3 in the SEC. The schedule sets up favorably in 2014…ya’ll can keep whining about the program. I’m going to watch Mason get ready for the bowl game and the 2014 campaign.
A10Penny
All of us would be happier if that pass was caught. But were any of us happy with the Defense last year with the talent we had? Imagine how it would have been without Jarvis.
IveyLeaguer
It’s a very interesting question. First, if Moseley hadn’t tipped that pass, it would have been either incomplete or intercepted.
But say we had won the NC last year, because that’s what would have happened if we had either scored on the next play or spiked the ball with 3 plays left to score.
Had that happened I don’t see how it’s possible for anybody’s perception of the program to not have changed. A national championship is very toxic, for at least a year or two, and in a good way.
Having said that, I can honestly say my take on what’s wrong with the program would not have changed (or at least would have changed back by midseason) because it has never been based on W’s and L’s or Championships. After the Vandy game my stance would have been the same as it is now, and of course the rest of the year would support that as well.
The Vandy game was the final block of evidence that a long-term systemic problem has still not been addressed. And that’s one thing a NC could not have changed.
“…it’s an incompletion or interception”. Let’s go to the source, Aaron Murray, who states in post game interviews that “Oh, it’s a touchdown. The defender has his back to the play and it’s just up to Malcolm to go up and get it”.
In defending HIS decision to not order Murray to spike the ball, CMR quotes consultant, Homer Smith, who says that spiking the ball is for a team without a plan. We had one and wanted to execute to that advantage.
You guys criticize the program all you want, but at least try to get your facts straight.
Murray is not the source. Richt is not the source. EVER. The only real source in football is the film.
If you are interested in facts, I suggest you study the film. I’ve studied a lot of film, and that’s the way I see it. To me, it’s obvious.
Further, I don’t get off on criticizing the program. I do, however, point out reality, the best I can discern it. But I know better than to think everybody will agree with it.
Just curious how it would have either been incomplete or intercepted, but not completed….for a touchdown? I’m pretty sure all 3 of those things are possible as they are with any pass thrown in football.
Because if you are sufficiently negative about the program, or, depending upon your point of view, simply being brutally realistic, it’s a given that Vince Dooley’s famous dictum about throwing the ball (“three things can happen… and two of them are bad”) is overly generous. 😉
Thanks for clarifying that, Senator. As soon as I read that, I knew exactly what the rest of his comments would look like. It was too easy when he started it out the way he did.
Because on the replay you can see that MM was covered pretty tightly. I actually agree with the decision to not spike the ball there, but to just assume that the pass was a guaranteed TD is a bit of a stretch.
And I think it’s a bit of a stretch just to assume it’s not a completion. Again, all 3 things are a possibility: incompletion, interception, TD.
I agree. I’m not saying that it definitely wouldn’t have been a completion. I’m just saying a completion was far from guaranteed.
Fair question.
Best I can tell you is go back and watch the film. Notice that the trajectory of the ball, projected forward if un-tipped, is right at the pylon or even just outside of the goal line.
Then look at the route (which was poor), the coverage, and go from there.
Hahaha. Alright, man. There’s no sense in arguing with someone like you. I love that you threw MM under the bus there as well, job well done.
Mark Richt routinely fields teams that are terrible at special teams and defense and has done so since 2005.
He also fields teams that invariably show up to 2-3 games per year totally unprepared and unmotivated. See, e.g., the Carolina game in 2012 and the first half of the Auburn game this year among many many others.
He is not a championship coach any longer. He does not coach teams that do the small things well. He is not detail oriented and he is several steps below coaches like Saban, Meyer, and even Malzahn.
Richt is never again going to win another championship of any kind. And, in the process, he’s going to waste the careers of players like Gurley, just like he did with Stafford, Moreno, Green, and now Murray.
He needs to go because barring scheduling luck, like in 2011 and 2012, he’s a 3-4 loss per year coach. He’s simply incapable of preparing a team week in and week out to get better results.
I mean, look at his Gator Bowl press remarks where he said you can’t win every game and that this season was a success. Those arent the types of comments made by a coach who demands excellence and is focused on championships.
Next year will be just like this one. Terrible defense and shockingly bad special teams. The sheep who love Richt more than UGA will find yet another excuse to explain away the bad coaching and then we’ll do it all over again in 2015.
All the while, the other teams in the conference will actually be doing the things necessary to out themselves in the best position to win big.
I prefer a different solution, because I want Richt to succeed.
But I certainly agree with your diagnoses. Each offseason, I hope Richt will reach out for a solution, one which would involve systemic intangible changes, and I hope he will this year. But he never does.
So I hope you are wrong, but fear you are right.
I want Richt to stay and to figure out the overwhelming issues that he is seemingly blind to. But those that support him ask yourself this: What top coach, Saban, Carroll, Meyer, Spurrier, Miles, Shaw….whoever, when they had a team ranked #1 in the country has ever been BLOWN OUT in their own stadium and down 31-0 at halftime? Please answer this for us. And people that see the blue sky and talk about last year and a dropped pass in the SECC……just ask yourself this, what team has ever won a national title when they had been BLOWN OUT (South Carolina) earlier in the year and struggled to beat several other inferior teams? I have supported Richt for years but 08 started the slide (that Bama game was unacceptable and as unprepared a team as I have ever seen) and honestly, when I heard him interviewed after the TN game this year, a team that SUCKED and was BLOWN OUT by Oregon and has been decimated by all the coaching changes, I was embarrassed for the players and as an alumni that my coach said NOTHING about the way we played and how unacceptable it was and that we will do everything in our power to correct these mistakes and we have an obligation to the players to coach them better and hold them accountable and WE WILL get better because this is not the way we play at UGA……nothing. Frankly it was embarrassing.
That same Bama team that beat UGA 41-30 (that was the final…I assume those points count, right?) made it to #1 and then got down to Utah 21-0 in the first quarter before losing 31-17.
But that has never happened to Saban, right? Because that would SUCK!
I mean…it’s not like Bama got down 20-0 in the FIRST QUARTER of a GAME LAST YEAR….AT HOME…AND LOST…then won a national championship or anything. That would SUCK!
And Auburn was so unprepared that they were down 21-0 against Bama in 2010 (and 21-7 the week before to UGA!!!).
The 2008 Florida team lost to Ur Ole Miss at Home.
The 2007 LSU team lost to two teams that would finish below .500 in the SEC and unranked.
And I agree that it was embarrassing that Richt didn’t crap all over the team after watching 4 guys go down with ACL tears during the game. Those kids deserved to be publicly humiliated.
By the way, one tiny…eetsy beetsy detail….Auburn was losing 21-0 at the end of the first half against LSU this year. THEY WERE UNPREPARED! WHAT TEAM GOES AND GETS BLOWN OUT IN THE FIRST HALF AND THEN PLAYS FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER ONLY BEATING GEORGIA VIA A MIRACLE AND SNEAKING BY MISS STATE! BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH ALL CAPS BLAH!
What world do you people live in? Is it one without TV? Does Google not exist in your corner of the universe?
Embarrassed is really the right word.
You are smoking something fierce if you are comparing UGAs program to LSU, Florida, Bama and Auburn. 6-17 against ranked teams is yes, an embarrassment. There is a difference between crapping on the team (which I never advocated) and holding them accountable. If you think the way they played against TN and Vandy was acceptable then that is your opinion.
I thought you made a point about top coaches not getting blown out at home when they are #1? Oh riiiiiiiiiiight…I forgot, that point wasn’t really a good one so on to the next one, I assume.
Since 2010, Florida is 4-15 against ranked opponents. Of course, UGA is 2-2 against Auburn, 3-1 against Florida, and 1-1 against LSU over that stretch…BUT THERE IS NO COMPARISON OF THESE PROGRAMS! Embarrassment! Hyperbole!
Again, if you watched the Tennessee game and didn’t see how those kids continued to compete and grind after watching their teammates continue to fall to injuries, then it isn’t really worth any more effort looking up facts that show how bad your opinions are.
{“I was embarrassed for the players and as an alumni that my coach said NOTHING about the way we played and how unacceptable it was and that we will do everything in our power to correct these mistakes and we have an obligation to the players to coach them better and hold them accountable and WE WILL get better because this is not the way we play at UGA……nothing. Frankly it was embarrassing.”}
A good point, IMO. And a fair point.
Richt doesn’t have very many faults (outside of some apparent coaching faults that have nothing to do with his personality), but this is one. He does not publicly hold himself or his coaches accountable, i.e., doesn’t always put the blame where it should be.
After a loss like the 2012 SECCG, where his team played about as well as they could (and didn’t crap all over themselves), and showed heart, fight and resilience, it is proper for a coach to present himself and his program the way Richt did .. as being proud of his team for the way they played and the effort they gave in hard-fought, classic SEC battle.
But after most of the losses we experience, where we play sloppy ball and pretty much beat ourselves, and perhaps even embarrass ourselves to some extent, some accountability is very appropriate, even called for.
The best coaches do it all the time. For example, Dooley always did it, Bryant always did it (though losses from beating yourselves were rare for both), Today, you will hear Spurrier say something like, “We need to coach better”, or “I need to coach better.” Saban will say something like, “that’s our fault and our responsibility as a coaching staff, and it’s our task and responsibility to make sure the problem is taken care of.” And so on down the line.
But you don’t hear anything like that from Richt. He almost seems to refuse to hold himself or his coaches accountable. If there’s any accountability at all, it falls on lack of “execution” .. in other words, on the players in general (he does protect his players, as he should). This might not be absolute (though I can’t think of an exception) but, certainly overall, that’s the way it is, and that’s the way it has been.
But Richt would do well to make public accountability a habit, IMHO. It has served other coaches well, and would serve him well. It would go long way both internally and externally. Because sometimes his ‘cover’, or ‘shield’, is stretched so thin, it IS embarrassing. Further, in many instances, it doesn’t gel with what he stands for. Let reality be what it is, and be accountable. Be HONEST and forthright about what happens, no matter how bad.
I even suspect this could be one of the causative elements of the systemic problem that has been integrated into the program for so long now. That is to say, one reason why we can’t consistently play solid football. Richt never lets the weight of accountability fall down upon his players and coaches. He acts as a shield, and never lets it hit. Not even upon himself.
{“There is a difference between crapping on the team (which I never advocated) and holding them accountable.”}
Well said. I don’t believe in crapping on the team, either. Or Richt, Assistant Coaches, McGarity .. or anybody else. I love the program as much as anybody, and I’m sure you do.
Therefore whatever is said – whether in person, in the Dawgosphere, or anywhere else – should have SUBSTANTIVE cause, evidence, grounds, or logic behind it, as it relates to football. Or it shouldn’t be said at all. And almost all of the time, it should be related directly to football, and not anything else.
I think of it as simply being honest, telling the truth, just being realistic and calling it like it is, good or bad. I’ve never thought of it that way, but holding them accountable is a fair way of putting it, too .. there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.
I’d even go as far as to say that is a desirable quality in a loyal fan and supporter. Provided they know that they are talking about, and freely admit when they are wrong.
Here’s honesty….either you didn’t watch the Tennessee game or you have no concept of what happened during the Tennessee game or you don’t want to talk about the Tennessee game and instead just want a platform to talk about some general point you think needs to be made.
I submit that if either of you really think the Tennessee game and how coach Richt handled himself after the game was an embarrassment, then you both represent the worst of the Georgia fan base. One that doesn’t appreciate the blood, sweat, and emotions poured into every game…and how that affects coaching, players, etc. Embarrassed to pull out a win in Knoxville? When you have 3 guys already out and another 4 go down during the game with possible season ending injuries? Funny you mentioned Spurrier…they lost to Tennessee the next week with a full squad. I guess he should have been fired on the spot.
Nah, not after he said he should have coached them better. 😉
#slowclap
My post didn’t refer to the Tennessee game at all, but to Richt’s public accountability in general. And it is accurate.
The rest of what you said doesn’t reflect anything I’ve said or believe, and i won’t have you putting words in my mouth.
If you’re going to disagree and/or criticize me, fine. But at least know what you’re doing when you criticize or lecture me. It’s likely I’ve forgotten more about what goes into a football game than you’ll ever know. So please think, and get the facts straight before you fire off.
I have a vague recollection of Richt after the Tennessee game, and recall no problem with it. It was a tough day. But my post regarding his public accountability, above, stands.
“If you’re going to disagree and/or criticize me, fine. But at least know what you’re doing when you criticize or lecture me.”
Fine. The entire first paragraph of your post was about the Tennessee game. Your second quote about crapping on the team was from a post about the Tennessee game. That’s what it was about. Game over. Done. Fin.
Only three options here…
#1- Your post ‘did have something to do with the Tennessee game’
#2- You think that by cutting and pasting and leaving off the word “Tennessee”, you have completely changed the subject matter of the quote and the discussion.
That sounds like fun!
“We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender,” <—Churchill on Ga-Florida…nothing to do with WWII.
"We dare not fail to see the insidious nature of this new and deeper struggle. We dare not fail to grasp the new concepts, the new tools,
the new sense of urgency we will need to combat it"<—-JFK on Georgia's problems in the secondary, nothing to do with Cuba
#3- You are literally Donny from the Big Lebowski
Were you listening to the Dude's story, Donny?
Were you listening to the Dude's story?
So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know…
I had no thought of Tennessee when I wrote that post, Irwin Dear. Nothing you say can change that.
But who really cares? it doesn’t matter. Carry on.
So if you had no thought of Tennessee, does that just mean you copy and paste without reading and/or understanding…
because that actually would explain a lot.
~~~~~>>>
How dare you. For that, you can KMA.
ruteger
Just to add a little different flavor since most of the discussion has been around an unlucky and its negative implications to other seasons, but I wonder how everyone would feel about Richt’s coaching tenure if an Auburn DB didn’t stumble covering Michael Johnson in the corner? It’s a singular lucky play in one season many years ago, but reading so many messages above where posters feel Richt had his team just as positioned for a MNC as other SEC coaches have since, I wonder how everyone would honestly feel about Richt’s tenure if he hadn’t stumbled and made a play on the ball?
It’s an interesting thought.
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Peyton Manning, Charles Woodson and Calvin Johnson among Hall of Fame semifinalists
Terez Paylor
·Senior NFL writer
Peyton Manning and Charles Woodson are rightfully thought of as two of the greatest football players of all time, and on Tuesday, they both took another step toward immortality as they were named among the 25 modern-era players who are Pro Football Hall of Fame semifinalists for 2021.
4 make cut in first year
Manning and Woodson are among four players who made the semifinals in their first year of eligibility. The others are receiver Calvin Johnson and defensive end Jared Allen.
Manning, a two-time Super Bowl champion and five-time MVP winner in his 18-year career, is a cinch to make the next round and be inducted into the five-man class for 2021, which will be voted on by the 48-person selection committee during the week leading up to Super Bowl LV, scheduled to be played on Feb. 7.
Peyton Manning and Charles Woodson are two of the Pro Football Hall of Fame semifinalists. (Digital First Media Group/Contra Costa Times via Getty Images)
Woodson is a Super Bowl champion who made eight All-Pro teams during his career with the Raiders and Packers, and was also named Defensive Player of the Year in 2009. He also figures to have a strong case for immediate induction.
Allen and Johnson both have Hall of Fame resumes but could be forced to wait for induction.
Johnson, for instance, is a three-time All-Pro selection who certainly passed the Hall of Fame eye test, but played nine seasons for mostly a losing team at a position where some of the greatest to ever do it (including Michael Irvin and Cris Carter) had to wait for induction into Canton for multiple years due to a backlog at the position.
Allen was a four-time, first-team All-Pro selection who twice led the NFL in sacks and racked up 136 career sacks for the Chiefs, Vikings, Bears and Panthers, which ranked ninth overall at the time of his retirement. Allen currently ranks 12th all time. Every Hall of Fame eligible player with more sacks than him has been inducted into Canton, but the two directly in front of him — John Randle and Richard Dent — were each forced to wait at least one year for induction.
Other first-time Pro Football Hall of Fame semifinalists
This list of 25 will soon be trimmed to 15 finalists.
The other players who made the semifinal cut for the first time include cornerback Eric Allen, offensive tackle Willie Anderson, defensive end Cornelius Bennett and safety Rodney Harrison.
The full list of semifinalists:
Eric Allen, CB – 1988-1994 Philadelphia Eagles, 1995-97 New Orleans Saints, 1998-2001 Oakland Raiders
Jared Allen, DE – 2004-07 Kansas City Chiefs, 2008-2013 Minnesota Vikings, 2014-15 Chicago Bears, 2015 Carolina Panthers
Willie Anderson, T – 1996-2007 Cincinnati Bengals, 2008 Baltimore Ravens
Ronde Barber, CB/S – 1997-2012 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Cornelius Bennett, LB – 1987-1995 Buffalo Bills, 1996-98 Atlanta Falcons, 1999-2000 Indianapolis Colts
Tony Boselli, T – 1995-2001 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2002 Houston Texans
LeRoy Butler, S – 1990-2001 Green Bay Packers
Alan Faneca, G – 1998-2007 Pittsburgh Steelers, 2008-09 New York Jets, 2010 Arizona Cardinals
Rodney Harrison, S – 1994-2002 San Diego Chargers, 2003-08 New England Patriots
Torry Holt, WR – 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars
Calvin Johnson, WR – 2007-2015 Detroit Lions
John Lynch, FS – 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos
Peyton Manning, QB – 1998-2011 Indianapolis Colts, 2012-15 Denver Broncos
Clay Matthews, LB – 1978-1993 Cleveland Browns, 1994-96 Atlanta Falcons
Sam Mills, LB – 1986-1994 New Orleans Saints, 1995-97 Carolina Panthers
Richard Seymour, DE/DT – 2001-08 New England Patriots, 2009-2012 Oakland Raiders
Steve Tasker, ST/WR – 1985-86 Houston Oilers, 1986-1997 Buffalo Bills
Fred Taylor, RB – 1998-2008 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2009-2010 New England Patriots
Zach Thomas, LB – 1996-2007 Miami Dolphins, 2008 Dallas Cowboys
Hines Ward, WR – 1998-2011 Pittsburgh Steelers
Reggie Wayne, WR – 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts
Patrick Willis, LB – 2007-2014 San Francisco 49ers
Charles Woodson, CB/S – 1998-2005, 2013-15 Oakland Raiders, 2006-2012 Green Bay Packers
Darren Woodson, S – 1992-2003 Dallas Cowboys
Bryant Young, DT – 1994-2007 San Francisco 49ers
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What to watch: Week 13 college football viewing guide, picks against the spread
Every week throughout the season we’ll give you a college football viewing guide by highlighting the five best games of the coming weekend. We will pick those five games against the spread and highlight some other matchups that caught our eye from a betting perspective.
Welcome to Thanksgiving weekend, everyone.
In a normal college football season, we’d be wrapping up the regular season with a slew of big-time rivalry games potentially deciding the postseason fates of several teams. Things look different this year, but there are still rivalry games and matchups with significant implications on the docket over the next few days as you enjoy your Turkey Day leftovers.
There are two clear top games on Friday, but Saturday’s slate has intrigue from the potential Michigan vs. Penn State trainwreck at noon through a hastily arranged Utah-Washington Pac-12 After Dark matchup late at night.
(Note: All times ET, point spreads/totals from BetMGM)
No. 13 Iowa State at No. 17 Texas
Time: Noon (Friday) | TV: ABC | Line: Texas -1.5 | Total: 56.5
Iowa State has its sights on the first Big 12 title in program history, and a win over Texas would put the Cyclones on the precipice of a spot in the conference title game. Entering Friday’s game, ISU is atop the Big 12 standings at 6-1, with four two-loss teams a game behind. No. 13 in the initial College Football Playoff rankings, ISU has won three straight with Heisman Trophy candidate Breece Hall leading the way. Hall leads the nation in rushing and is averaging 146.1 yards per game.
On the Texas side, Friday’s game is pretty much a must-win to keep its Big 12 title hopes alive. With a loss, Texas would lose tiebreaker scenarios to both Iowa State and Oklahoma if it came down to that at the end of the year. A win would give UT tiebreaker advantages over both ISU and Oklahoma State (who UT beat earlier this year) if there are three or four teams tied atop the standings at 7-2. Like Iowa State, Texas is currently on a three-game win streak. But the Longhorns haven’t played since Nov. 7 after last week’s game against Kansas was postponed.
Sam Cooper: Iowa State +1.5, Nick Bromberg: Iowa State +1.5
No. 2 Notre Dame at No. 19 North Carolina
Time: 3:30 p.m. (Friday) | TV: ABC | Line: Notre Dame -5.5 | Total: 67.5
Notre Dame passed its biggest test of the year by beating No. 1 Clemson and then avoided the subsequent letdown with a 45-31 road win over Boston College. Coming off a bye week, the second-ranked Irish now have to go on the road to face North Carolina, a team with one of the top offenses in the country.
And while Notre Dame will be without two of its starting linemen — center Jarrett Patterson and guard Tommy Kraemer — North Carolina could be getting some of its injured players back. Wide receiver Beau Corrales, center Brian Anderson and cornerback Storm Duck all returned to practice this week and are considered gametime decisions on Friday. The UNC offense, led by QB Sam Howell and the RB duo of Javonte Williams and Michael Carter, will be a big test for the heralded Notre Dame defense.
Sam: Notre Dame -5.5, Nick: Notre Dame -5.5
No. 22 Auburn at No. 1 Alabama
Time: 3:30 p.m. | TV: CBS | Line: Alabama -25 | Total: 62.5
Auburn has upset Alabama in the Iron Bowl in two of the past three seasons. Can it happen again? This year, the Tigers are ranked No. 22 and are riding a three-game winning streak. Auburn had a three-week layoff before returning to action last week with a 31-17 win over Tennessee, a game that flipped on a 100-yard pick-six by Smoke Monday late in the third quarter. Auburn has relied on its ground game during its winning streak, but injuries along the offensive line and to top running back Tank Bigsby loom large against Alabama.
On the Alabama side, Nick Saban will not be on the sideline after testing positive for COVID-19. Instead, it will be offensive coordinator Steve Sarkisian calling the shots on Saturday. Sarkisian’s offense has been rolling all year long. The Tide are putting up 49.4 points and 548.6 yards per game, good for No. 3 and No. 6 in the nation, respectively. Mac Jones has emerged as a Heisman Trophy candidate at quarterback, while RB Najee Harris and WR DeVonta Smith have put up big numbers as well. After missing the CFP last year, Alabama looks like a team on a mission.
Sam: Alabama -25, Nick: Alabama -25
Colorado at No. 18 USC
Time: 3:30 p.m. | TV: ABC | Line: USC -11.5 | Total: 64.5
The Pac-12’s return to football hasn’t exactly gone smoothly. The conference has seen an array of cancellations, including beloved rivalry games like this week’s Apple Cup. Only four of the league’s teams have managed to play three games in three weeks. USC is one of them, and the Trojans are 3-0. The first two wins — over Arizona State and Arizona — took some late-game drama. Last week’s win over Utah was a bit more conventional, though it was the first game of the year for the Utes.
USC is sitting pretty in the South division, but Saturday’s opponent, Colorado, has emerged as the Trojans’ top challenger so far. In their first year under Karl Dorrell, the Buffs are off to a 2-0 start with wins over UCLA and Stanford. Colorado has been led offensively by QB Sam Noyer and RB Jarek Broussard. Noyer’s story is a notable one. Noyer was moved to safety by the previous staff. Itching for a chance to play QB, Noyer entered the transfer portal in the offseason, but was convinced to come back by Dorrell. Now he has a chance to lead his team into first place in the South.
Sam: USC -11.5, Nick: USC -11.5
LSU at No. 5 Texas A&M
Time: 7 p.m. | TV: ESPN | Line: Texas A&M -14.5 | Total: 62.5
Texas A&M is firmly in the College Football Playoff picture, but it can’t afford any slip-ups the rest of the way. The Aggies are on the heels of a two-week pause caused by COVID-19 issues and now will host the defending national champions, LSU. LSU has dominated the series since A&M joined the SEC, with the epic 7OT 74-72 game from 2018 as the only win for A&M.
Last year, LSU destroyed the Aggies 50-7 en route to a national title. LSU is struggling in 2020, though. The Tigers are 3-3 and Texas A&M could be in a position to return the favor. Kellen Mond is having a strong year for A&M, and he could be in for a big game against LSU’s struggling defense.
Sam: Texas A&M -14.5, Nick: Texas A&M -14.5
Head-to-head ATS: Sam: 28-26, Nick: 23-31
Oklahoma head coach Lincoln Riley talks with Oklahoma quarterback Spencer Rattler (7) during an NCAA college football game against Kansas in Norman, Okla., Saturday, Nov. 7, 2020. (AP Photo/Sue Ogrocki)
Week 13’s best bets
Nick Bromberg (Last week: 1-0-1, Overall: 18-11-2)
New Mexico at Utah State: If you’re fixing for football on Thanksgiving night without the Ravens and Steelers, this is your alternative. Who doesn’t want to watch a battle of winless Mountain West teams? Utah State is one of the worst teams in the country. So I’m taking the Lobos. Pick: New Mexico -6.5
Nebraska at No. 24 Iowa: I don’t trust Nebraska at all. Meanwhile, Iowa has won its last three games by at least 20 points after opening the season with two losses by a combined five points. While both of these teams beat Penn State, Iowa did it more convincingly. That’s my expert breakdown. Pick: Iowa -13.5
Maryland at No. 12 Indiana: The Hoosiers have hit the over in four of five games this season while Maryland is coming off a two-week break because of a COVID-19 outbreak. With Maryland’s long layoff and a relatively high total in this one because of the way Indiana games have gone this season, the under feels like the play. Pick: Under 62.5
Sam Cooper (Last week: 1-2, Overall: 21-15)
No. 13 Iowa State at No. 17 Texas: This just feels like a physical game where defenses will be content to allow underneath stuff to avoid allowing big plays. Iowa State has hit chunk plays with Breece Hall all year long while Texas surprisingly leads the Big 12 in scrimmage plays of 40-plus yards. This matchup has typically featured low-scoring games. In the past five seasons, ISU-UT games have gone under the total by an average of 27 points. Pick: Under 56.5
Kentucky at No. 6 Florida: I don’t expect Kentucky to lose by 60 like it did last week against Alabama, but I also don’t think UK has enough firepower on either side of the ball to contain Florida’s offense or score enough to keep this within the number. UF came out a bit flat vs. Vanderbilt last week, so I’m expecting Dan Mullen’s team to roll this week. Pick: Florida -22.5
NC State at Syracuse: I’m not going to overthink this one. Syracuse is up there with Kansas among the worst Power Five teams in the country. Syracuse was shutout by Louisville last week and gained only 137 yards in the process. NC State’s offense is capable of putting up big numbers, so I don’t think the Wolfpack will have much of an issue covering here. Pick: NC State -14
For other Week 13 picks from Sam Cooper, click here.
For Week 13 picks from Dan Wetzel, Pete Thamel and Pat Forde, subscribe to the Yahoo Sports College Podcast.
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Twin Pine Diner and Harley’s team up in same location
Published: November 24, 2018 at 3:52pm Ollie Williams November 24, 2018
Twin Pine Diner's Karen Wasicuna, centre left, and Robin Wasicuna, centre right, accept a customer service award in 2018. Angela Gzowski/YK Chamber of Commerce
Yellowknife’s Twin Pine Diner will move to join up with Harley’s Hardrock Saloon inside the former Lenny Burger.
Twin Pine Diner, currently housed within the Arnica Inn complex on Franklin Avenue, announced the move on Thursday.
Harley’s confirmed the partnership to Cabin Radio. Twin Pine Diner will operate a family-friendly diner on one side of the building, with the Harley’s bar and club on the other.
“We are extremely pleased to announce that we are partnering with Harley’s in their new venture and location,” Twin Pine Diner – operated by Robin and Karen Wasicuna – wrote on its Facebook page.
“We are very honoured to be a part of this new venture and pretty stoked to show you what we’ve been working on.
“An official opening date is yet to be determined so stay tuned for details.”
Harley’s told Cabin Radio the club’s tentative opening date in its new location – December 1 – remains in place for now, but is subject to change.
Wednesday, November 28 will be the club’s final night in its current premises on the corner of Franklin Avenue and 51st Street.
Uncertain times
The Lenny Burger building, on 48th Street, has been vacant since the burger operation closed down in the summer of 2017. It previously housed a KFC franchise.
The partnership between Twin Pine Diner and Harley’s comes at what appears to be an increasingly uncertain time for some Yellowknife restaurants and cafés.
Twist and Shout, which is for sale, closed permanently last week with no firm offers for the premises yet received.
The Kilt and Castle Pub has temporarily closed its doors, telling customers a major flood had caused extensive damage. The bar posted online that it hopes to reopen in several weeks’ time.
Citing the demands of “constant growth in business” and a lack of staff, Main Street Pizza shortened its opening hours earlier this month and recently closed for three days “due to unforeseen circumstances.”
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You are here: Home / Camping Games / Comprehensive List of Exciting Campfire Games and Activities
Comprehensive List of Exciting Campfire Games and Activities
April 7, 2020 by Casey Hayes Leave a Comment
Camping is an amazing experience that everyone must have at least once in their life. Spending time with friends and family on a camping night is always memorable, and is sure to give you a story you can always cherish or spook others with.
Here is our list of camping games and activities that will delight you and your friends/family.
Camping games around the fire
1. Would you rather?
One of the best ways to break the ice in a large group of people is to ask questions and interact with each other. So, get your marshmallows roasting and fire away your questions.
Whether played as a board game or with cards, ‘would you rather’ revolves around a set of tricky questions in which the player must choose between two answers.
The dilemma of the game is that the two supposed answers might both be great options or not at all. The player has to choose one or drink up.
If played as a card game, everyone picks their cards and must ask another player. If played randomly, the players can alternate between who asks the questions and who gets to answer so it can be played even between just two people. The game includes questions like:
Would you rather be rich and ugly, or poor and good looking?
Would you rather go back to age 5 with everything you know now or know now everything your future self will learn?
Check this list of fun questions here.
2. Stand up and shout
Do you enjoy a little commotion around the campfire? Are you into rapid circle activities? Then, stand up and shout! It is a loud game that is fun and irritating at the same time.
Stand up and shout requires speed. You have to count the number of players and keep that in mind. There are two objectives you must achieve to stay in the game: count up to the total number of players in the group and make sure you don’t end up being the player who shouts the last number.
There are no rules and any player can start the game. On standing up, the player must shout out a number. Numbers must be in order but the players’ turns are not in any specific order; you just have to be quick.
Any participant can get up and shout out the next number. Whoever stands up last and shouts the final number loses the game.
The rule for elimination is shouting out the same number at the same time as another player. The game is called stand up and shout, so the player must stand and then shout the number. This game can get quite annoying but that is all the fun so be sure to enjoy and not get into quarrels.
3. Twenty Questions
Since millennials, people have engaged in guessing games in the shape of riddles, trivia, dumb charades, and others. Twenty Questions have the same essence, but just with a twist.
Gather around a campfire and choose the player who goes first. He/she has to think of something that can be a creature, a place, a person, a fictional character, or a famous personality and then the game begins.
Next comes guessing. If it is between two players, the player who must guess can then ask twenty questions regarding the object, creature, personality, or place that the first player has chosen. If the player guesses it right, he/she gets to choose the next thing and others must guess it. Otherwise, the first player plays another round.
For girls, you can play with your boyfriends. Here is the list of questions that help you two get to know each other better.
4. Big Booty
It is an all-age icebreaker game for parties and especially campfire circle games where both kids and adults can enjoy it. The name “big booty” suggests the naming rule of the game. It is a game of call and response with concentration and the rhythm as it’s a clapping and chanting activity.
This game is played among a group of at least three people where the game revolves around the circle creating a harmonizing rhythm of claps and chants with a specific lyric. One of the players is titled ‘Big Booty’ and the rest are given numbers from either left or right of the person titled Big Booty.
The rule of the game is that everyone must concentrate and pay attention so that when their turn comes, they keep in tune with the rhythm and not make any mistakes or break the chant. That would either end in rearranging the numbers or elimination of the player.
Here is a detailed tutorial on how to play Big Booty – check it out.
5. Two truths and a lie
Around the campfire, there are many we are familiar with and then friends of friends we still need to get to know. Two Truths and A Lie is a guessing game, but it is very intimate, and every person must come up with absurd yet believable statements about themselves to throw the other players off in guessing the right as truth and the false as a lie.
This game needs no props and can be played anywhere with anyone, given that you have the imagination for it. The players can all take turns either in a sequence or randomly and then say three statements about themselves. Two of these are true and one is a lie. It is an effortless way of connecting with people and sharing a part of yourself in a fun way.
Take a look at this youtube video to learn how it’s played
6. Telephone
Originating from the game Chinese whisper, telephone is a great group game that exercises the quality of attention, quick judgment, and articulations of words in its right essence.
It is a classic ice breaker where the game starts with one person whispering a phrase into the next player’s ear. By the time each player has played their turn, the phrase has often become funny.
The game starts with all the players coming together in a circle. One of the players thinks of a phrase preferably a tricky one. He/she can whisper the phrase into the other player’s ear just once; this is so that everyone pays attention. There are no do-overs.
The phrase revolves in the circle and then the last player has to say the phrase out loud. Nine out of ten times, the phrase has changed and has a very entertaining and completely different meaning.
Learn in detail about this game here.
7. Truth or Dare
Truth or dare is a classic group icebreaker; a clever game of getting to know each other and also putting yourself out there and sharing your deeper secrets in the abyss of the night around the bonfire while chugging on some beer.
Whether the group around the campfire consists of couples, great friends and/or a few strangers, this is a fun game. Get to know each other and have fun asking burning questions or giving exciting dares that may edge a little towards the horror side as camping comes with a bit of spookiness, after all.
If you are playing with old friends, you can indulge in really serious questions and dares, but if the game involves some new friends, it is better to stick to regular questions and dares so that no one gets uncomfortable.
Want to learn about some exciting questions and dares that you can ask your friends? Then check out this article.
Mind games and campfire nights
1. The Umbrella Game
The name of the game is as ambiguous as the game itself. The game revolves around only one sentence, “I’m going on a camping trip, and I’m going to bring … .”
The game starts with one person uttering the sentence and the rest following it one by one, only changing the item they are going to bring to the camping trip. This game is again all about attention and as the category indicates, it is a mind game.
The trick is that one or two players must know the rules to the game whereas the rest just try to find the rule as they play along. It is a rule guessing game and is a fun way to spend time. The rule is the word ‘um’ in the sentence they say whereas most players would pay attention to the object they are bringing.
For example, if one of the players says, “I’m going to bring um… marshmallows on the camping trip”, that works. The player can bring that. But if a player says, “I’m going to bring marshmallows on the camping trip”, the player cannot bring that.
If you want to learn more, check our detailed tutorial here.
2. The Green Glass Door Game
The Green Glass Door Game is an enjoyable and intriguing game that can double the fun on any occasion. Like the Umbrella Game, the game revolves around only one sentence, “I can bring a ____ through the green glass door.”
The blank is what the game is all about. What can be placed there to make it passable through the door? The verbal trick is in the title itself; any object, person or animal with double letters can pass through and nothing else.
This game can get funnier if the players who do know the rule try to throw off other players with absurd categories.
For example, you can bring a tree but not a forest through the green glass door. Similarly, you can walk in the grass but not in the field.
Learn more about the Green Glass Door here on our tutorial.
Want another guessing game with a fun twist? ‘Who am I’ is just what you need around the campfire; a quick and witty game. The basic requirements are just sticky notes. One player scribbles names on the sticky notes of random celebrities, animals, places, statues, etc. and then all the players take note and stick it on their forehead.
The game can either go in teams or individually. The number of questions can be restricted or as many as it takes to get the answer right. This game is different than others as the one with the sticky note attached to the forehead must guess and ask the questions hence the name of the game ‘who am I?’
Here is a nice article where you can learn more about this game.
4. Bobby’s World Game
Interaction is an efficient way to break the ice at a party or around a campfire. It is even better when that involves a riddle game to keep everyone involved. Bobby’s world, though a seemingly simple game, is intriguing and fun. It is another version of the “Green Glass Door” game.
Starting the game is as simple as uttering the words “What is the law of Bobby’s World?” The answer is not so simple, rather logical. The game will start by players taking turns and guessing the rule, which is that anything with double letters can enter Bobby’s World and nothing else.
The game ends when everyone figures out the rule. The rule though is embedded in the title of the game – the double letter trick – but are the players attentive enough to spot it?
The game can go for an indefinite time but never loses its fun and vigor therefore, it is a great option on the list of campfire games with mind and verbal tricks.
We have step by step instructions on how to play Bobby’s World which you can find here.
5. Black Magic Game
This energizing and quick riddle-solving game can be played anywhere and anytime. The game has more than three players, where one is the guesser and has to guess the object in the room that the other player(s) has selected without the guesser knowing which item it is.
The enigmatic part is that the guesser always guesses it right and the rest of the players must figure out how the guesser can point to the right object as it all seems unbelievable and magical. When the players figure out the rule behind this enigma, the game is over.
Similarly, this game is also all about the attention. Black magic. That’s right, it is ‘black’ that makes the game special. The rule is that whichever item the giver chooses will always be black.
As both the guesser and giver know the rule, therefore they play behind the other players’ backs, making them think that it is their psychic ability, whereas it is just as simple as pointing to a black item.
Learn how to play Black Magic step by step here.
6. Contact Game
If you are up for an energetic word game, then Contact is the way to go. It is a timeless and intelligent game that will keep a group of friends involved for hours. You can play it anywhere and anytime.
Contact is a verbal game that requires no props. It requires quick wit and at least three players. One player thinks of a word, gives the first letter and then the other two players have to guess the word.
This is like hangman but with a twist. It takes intelligence, wit, and also how well people playing the game to know each other to guess the word.
You can check out detailed instructions about Contact here on our website.
7. Snaps
Snaps is another guessing game that requires even more attention as it is all about taking the good judgment of even the tiniest nuances of the person who is giving you the clues. Snaps, as the name suggests, contains the snaps and clicks of the fingers.
In this game, one of the players decides on a well-known celebrity’s or politician’s name and the rest must guess it. The name will be an amalgamation of consonants and vowels. So, for consonants, the players come up with statements whereas for vowels its snaps, that is, for the letter ‘a’, it is one snap and for ‘u’, it will be five snaps of the fingers.
If you want to learn more about this game, check out this article.
CAMPFIRE GAMES FOR KIDS AT NIGHT
1. Night Frisbee/Glow in the dark Frisbee
Frisbee is one of the best kid’s games out there, and it is timeless. The physical activity complemented with quick judgment and gross motor skills to catch a Frisbee are some of the elements that make the game fun and one of the primary options on a list for kids’ games.
On campfire nights, what could be better than to engage little ones in an energetic activity than night Frisbee?
This is an innovative twist on the original Frisbee game with glow sticks. The Frisbee can be customized with it and two teams divided with a color pattern. The game is energizing and adds a fun element to your campfire night.
Here is a video demo of the game.
2. Shadow Puppet Play
Centuries ago when the idea of toys was yet to fathom and animated figures and cartoons were yet to be imagined, there was always the concept of shadow.
Around fires and small lanterns, parents would tell stories to their little ones and give them visuals through hand shadow puppets.
It is an extinguishing art, but reviving it around a campfire and connecting with your children in a positive manner is wonderful.
It is a simple game but the shapes that you can make with your hands and fingers is fascinating for little minds. Shadow puppetry is not something that everyone knows, so here is a video that will prove helpful.
3. Flashlight Tag
As campfire nights always have a dark setting, make use of flashlights for a fun game time. Like, hide and seek, one of the players is the finder and possesses a flashlight.
The player counts to a specific number then start looking for the rest of the players who have hidden.
The twist in it is the finder needs to seek out the players with a flashlight and call out the person. The person found then either becomes part of the finder’s team and gets a flashlight or he is caught, and the flashlight is handed to him by the finder and he must seek the next player out.
This is fun around the campfire and keeps the children busy while the adults get to have some free time.
Learn more about Flashlight Tag here.
4. Hide and go scare (night version of Hide and Seek)
This game is more on the spooky side, so if your kid is queasy and faint-hearted, it is best to keep them out of it.
But if your kid has a knack for a little spookiness, then this version of hide and seek can add a lot of fun to a campfire night.
It goes the same as a normal hide and seek game, but instead of the kids seeking each other, the players scare each other whether it’s the finder or the one being caught.
CAMPFIRE ACTIVITIES
1. Campfire songs – singing and dancing
One of the oldest yet infectious ways of entertainment was old-style group singing and weird dancing around the campfires. It started with the American Indian traditions, and till now, summer camps are following that tradition.
Here is a list of some songs that can be sung and danced to around campfires.
A boy and a girl in a little canoe
Bear Song
2. Toasting marshmallows
Campfire and marshmallows might as well be a collocation. Since the hype of camping has emerged, it has often been complemented with a bag of marshmallows.
A camping experience seems incomplete without the sweet essence of marshmallows.
Whether attached to sticks or steel bars, marshmallows are a great way to spend time around a campfire; roasting it, nibbling on it while playing fun games and singing songs.
3. Roasting s’ mores
S’mores is like a camping essential without which your camping experience will be incomplete. So, get those s’mores roasting and enjoy their aroma in the silence of the night.
Check out some delicious s’ mores recipes here
4. Grilling barbeque
Food just adds more delight to a gathering. Barbeques and grilled food is just the way to add amazing flavor to your campfire night.
Get those stoves out or do it the old fashioned way and enjoy sizzling barbeques with your friends and family around a bonfire.
5. Stargazing
As much as games, singing and dancing and barbeque are great activities, sometimes one needs the peace that is lacking in modern city life. So, when someone gets a chance to skip to a quieter place, surrounded by friends and/or family, one must stop and cherish the beauty of the night sky.
Stargazing is one of the most beautiful experiences one can enjoy on a campfire night.
6. Telling stories
Classic campfire night must have a storytelling session. We always have that one friend or family member who is never short on amazing anecdotes or family history stories or fun relics for everyone to take an ear to.
Some traditions never get old and storytelling, although has taken many forms, but the traditional way still holds great value. Again, a camping experience will feel devoid of its essence without a story.
Make campfire storytelling fun by following these tips.
We hope you try out some, if not all, of the games on this list and have a splendid time with your friends and family.
If there are any other games you would like to learn about, or have played and would want to add to this list, do let us know in the comments section.
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Arrow films scenes for the season 3 premiere with Stephen Amell, Caity Lotz, Peter Stormare and the stunt team
Season 3 of Arrow begins this upcoming week. After 2 roller coaster season finales, its going to be interesting to see how the people of Starling City can be traumatized even more in season 3.
I caught up with the cast of Arrow shooting some scenes in the first week of their schedule. There was a couple scenes I saw that day which included a little Olicity time, as well as the new Chief Of Police Quentin Lance talking to media while his daughter & Oliver looked on. But this isnt about those scenes.
There was a night shoot that day. I wasnt expecting to see much of it, and frankly, after seeing what my photos looked like (I kept a couple REALLY crappy ones in there so you get an idea what 85% of my night shots tend to be), I should have went home early.
I stuck it out and manage to catch very small glimpses of some scenes shot on the roof of the Plaza Of Nations that entailed the stunt team as well as cast members Stephen Amell dressed like Arrow, Caity Lotz dressed like Black Canary and Peter Stormare as the new Count Vertigo (whether any others were up there....who knows... thats all I saw from my limited vantage point).
The only undeniable things I can say for sure is, Count Vertigo and Arrow have a pretty detailed fight on the roof that saw their stunt people partake in. As well, some VERY close up shots of Stephen. Lastly a short scene of Black Canary (Lotz/her stunt person?) coming in and swinging her staff around at seemingly nothing.
From where I was, about 250 ft away and another 30 ft below, there was not a lot I could see, and with the exception of the rare time I saw both the actors and their doubles within my line of view, I could only assume who was doing which scenes 1/2 the time with the exception of the fight scene which clearly looked like the stunt team, and the close up which was clearly Stephen.
So, here is the 1st night shoot shots I got this year from Arrow. I didnt label the photos specific since theres not a lot of them I am certain who it is in the photos. Some are Stephen, Caity and Peter, some are Simon Burnett, Atlin Mitchell and the stunt man for Peter.
Arrow debuts Wednesday October 8, 2014 on The CW in the U.S. and on CTV in Canada.
Some leftover photos of the Arrow cast from season 1 and 2. Stephen Amell, Emily Bett Rickards, Caity Lotz, Paul Blackthorne, John Barrowman, Manu Bennett and even Seth Gabel.
Over the 1st two seasons of "Arrow" (on the CW in the U.S. and on CTV in Canada) I have managed to catch up to the cast quite a few times, in quite a few scenarios. On set, airports, hotels, even a couple cast get togethers. As a whole, the cast has been pretty great with the regulars in town.
I have also gained quite a few photos from those encounters from times that I just, for whatever reasons, never blogged about. They somehow fell thru the cracks of larger posts at the time, or simply I didn't feel there was enough to do a post on at the time.... so here they are. My unseen pics of the past 2 years.
Firstly, the star of the show. Stephen Amell.
This past season I ran into him quite a few times, seemed for awhile he was at every location I ever went to. So these off set interactions with him might have fallen by the wayside easily enough from late this past season.
Each time, he stopped for me and the others there, and happily signed for us. Hes been a class act here, glad they cast someone who was not just physically capable of the role, but also a good guy with the public off set.
Also, if you don't already... you really should follow his Facebook Page, he is easily 1 of the more engaging & entertaining celeb son FB, and his memes he re-posts from the public are usually pretty good. Hes honestly 1 of the very few things I even go on facebook to see anymore.
Below are pics from an encounter during "Family Day" (a fake holiday B.C. invented for an extra weekend off) & 1 pic from running into him at the end of the season... as well as the WORST photo with ever (my fault...didn't gtell the guard something my camera was going to do) that I got on the set the night they filmed the tunnel scene for the finale. I am definitely gonna have to get that re-done in season 3.
Stephen Amell Official twitter profile
In season 1, I found the Arrow set just a couple blocks from my house. UNFORTUNATELY, it was 1 of the hardest rains I can ever remember me enduring at a set and was all in doors. But I was determined since I really wanted to see the man who would play Count Vertigo, again, Seth Gabel.
I had met Seth many times on the set of another show he did here "Fringe" (a couple of these pics are from then btw... I just had never used them so thought, may as well now).
I caught up with Seth, and he had 2 out of country fans there to meet him too. He stopped even in the torrential downpour to talk to them, and signed for me & my buddy. I joked with him how less than a block away was 1 of the last places I saw him when he filmed Fringe. He told me he remembered it and when he was coming into work that day he passed it & instantly remembered what he shot there.
An added bonus that day was my 1st ever time seeing Detective Quentin Lance in person, Paul Blackthorne nearly snuck by me because I was looking the other way...but I caught him just long enough to snap off 1 pic. he then signed a couple autographs for my buddy across the street. Since then, I have seen Paul many times. Always been a great guy. Nowhere near as abrasive as Quentin is.
Seth Gabel Official Twitter Profile
Paul Blackthorne Official Facebook page
Paul Blackthorne Official Twitter profile
When Arrow originally cast the pilot of the show, they probably had not even thought of who would play Felicity Smoak. Little did they know a year later she would be the most popular female character on the show & essentially the lead female on the show.
Emily Bett Rickards got cast in the role that is now a staple of every episode. I've caught up with her many times, and shes always been really friendly with us.
Here is 1 such encounter from last May 2013 that I never managed to find time to post.
Emily Bett Rickards Official Twitter Profile
In season 2, the writers of Arrow decided to bring back the Sara Lance character.
However, they wanted someone with a background that was capable of doing physically challenging scenes. So they re-cast her.
In came relative unknown Caity Lotz. The woman who would eventually become "The Canary" (writers clearly wanting to keep the BLACK Canary title for the person they said was going to be it) became a mainstay throughout the season. I managed to catch up to her a few times early on, including this encounter as she was leaving town for Christmas break.
Caity Lotz Official Twitter Profile
In the final week of filming, I managed to catch up to 2 Arrow baddies.
1st up was the man who plays the seemingly unkillable Malcolm Merlyn. John Barrowman arrived in Vancouver to shoot his finale scenes, and I managed to get him at the airport. In true John Barrowman fashion, he gave me a couple wild poses as he came out the door to go to his vehicle. Hes always looking to leave a lasting impression on the fans.
The next day, I caught up to Deathstroke. Manu Bennett did a TV interview to promote an event he was going to be at.
I managed to catch up to Slade Wilson on his way out of the interview, and he happily signed for me, as well, told me quite candidly that it might be quite awhile, if ever, before we see Slade/Deathstroke again as nothing was guaranteed for his return in season 3. I told him the writers always find a way to bring people back, he seemed less certain.
Fingers crossed the Arrow writers find a reason to have him back sooner, rather than later.
John Barrowman Official Facebook page
John Barrowman Official Twitter profile
Manu Bennett Official Facebook Page
Manu Bennett Official Twitter profile
IF I don't get too sidetracked (which happens often unfortunately) I might write my review & opinions on season 2 of Arrow in my new TV episodes, seasons & series review blog I made (so far only has 1 whole entry...kinda slacked off on that). So you can possibly see that soon.
Arrow will start filming season 3 in Vancouver in July.
Arrow Official Facebook Page
Arrow Official Twitter Profile
Arrow films a scene with several cast for the Season 2 Finale episode "Unthinkable" SPOILER INSIDE!
THIS POST MAY CONTAIN NOTABLE SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 223 OF "ARROW" TITLED "UNTHINKABLE".
If you have not seen this episode & do not want to read or view any potential spoilers for the episode prior to seeing it. Please DO NOT continue reading this article, or viewing the photos.
Besides being my favorite Vancouver shot show right now, and POSSIBLY my favorite show on all of TV, Arrow is also 1 of my all time favorites to shoot. Mostly because, you never know what you might see when you go there.
The cast & crew for Arrow shot a major fight scene for the finale titled "Unthinkable" in a tunnel under the Ironworkers Memorial Bridge in mid-April. The scene involved them closing down a road to all traffic for about a mile on 1 side (no idea for how far on the other side). Thankfully, foot traffic was still allowed thru.
I found the set & after scanning the area with my camera, figured out where the main cast for the scene were generally starting from.
There was 2 spoilers I saw that night.
The 1st I noticed right away. (and has since been officially posted by Arrow) It seems Nyssa al Ghul is fighting along side "Team Arrow" and it looks like she has a few friends with her. A handful of "League Of Assassins" dressed actors were with Nyssa & Team Arrow members Oliver, Sara & Roy. They got into a fight with the Deathstroke mask wearing Army Slade Wilson has made while bystanders ran around in a panic & cars burned. Katrina Law, Caity Lotz & Colton Haynes joined Stephen Amell for these fight scenes in the tunnel, along with their doubles, who thankfully were easy to tell apart from the cast for the most part.
The other spoiler, I didnt notice right away thanks to the ultra grainy pics I took (night time + 500 ft away + $500 camera = grainy pics). I didnt notice it on my small 2 inch camera screen, but when I got home to look at them on my computer, it became quite clear, Roy Harper HAS A MASK ....AND A BOW. It seems clear that Roy has taken the step from angry hoodlum to Team Arrow masked member. Only question is, will he be referred to as Red Arrow, or Arsenal? Also, when/how will he get to this point? After all it was JUST episode 2x20 where Roy was in a RoyRage destructive frame of mind. Can he be turned into someone that the team can trust by its side AND given a weapon in a mere month? Apparently so. But considering the absurd Luarel shooting a bow scene they put out for episode 2x22, I suppose this is more believable than that. This was the Second Time this season I photographed someone in a new mask & didn't know it right away.
The angle in the tunnel made it not optimal for actually SEEING any of the fight details. With the exception of when someone would step up on a car, they were too low down to see over top of the cast, crew & equipment surrounding the area. So the only time I could get many shots was at the top of the scene, when they were above my sightlines.
Since a lot of people have asked me via emails & on twitter what else I know about the finale. I will simply say this. I do know a few things, some BIG things. But, my policy is, if I do not actually see it myself, I am not going to report it as fact. For that reason the no less than 6 spoilers I am aware of over the final 2 episodes that I didn't see, I wont comment on. So please quit asking. All I will say is, as you would expect from ARROW, its going to be a wild ride.
Also a reminder, please feel free to use my photos elsewhere, long as you DO NOT remove the watermarks & credit it back to this post.
Arrow airs Wednesday nights on The CW in the U.S. & CTV in Canada. The finale is scheduled for May 14, 2014.
The Cast of Arrow on set for the Finale - Colton Haynes, Caity Lotz, Katie Cassidy, Paul Blackthorne and Katrina Law
Recently, the cast & crew of Arrow were working on the finale titled "Unthinkable" around Vancouver.
I managed to catch up to the cast a couple times while they were here. First up was at their non-studio studio in South Burnaby that they use for a variety of scenes.
On set that day I saw Katrina Law there in her Nyssa al Ghul outfit after she had shot some scenes. Of course, the CW has already promoted this, so this isn't a shocker, or a spoiler for anyone. But was cool at the time to see her. Also there at that time were Paul Blackthorne, Caity Lotz & Katie Cassidy. As they were leaving. Colton Haynes seemed to be starting his shooting day.
While I was there I found out quite a few spoilers for the finale, most of which I cant really talk about since I have adopted a policy that I wont post a spoiler if I did not in fact witness it myself. Needless to say though, from what I found out, the final 2 episodes is another action packed roller coaster ride like the last few have been.
I will have 1 more finale filled blog soon.
Arrow airs Wednesday nights on The CW in The U.S. & CTV in Canada.
The CW vigilante action show ARROW shot scenes for episode 217 "Birds Of Prey" with several cast
THIS BLOG CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 17 OF SEASON 2 Of "ARROW". If you do not want to see/read any spoilers prior to the episode. Please do not read the article or view the photos below.
A very cold early February night, I caught the cast of Arrow filming scenes for episode 17 of season 2, "Birds Of Prey" on Homer Street. Both interior & exterior shoots were done, including scenes in a court room & outside in a courtyard upstairs that I couldnt see in the early part of the day.
As night time came, they moved to outside to shoot in the -4C chilly Vancouver air.
They did a scene in an alley that I was unable to see because of all the crew huddled around that I THINK consisted of Caity Lotz and Stephen Amell, both in their alter ego attires. Interestingly, as open as Degouw was about letting me photograph her in her mask, Caity was the exact opposite,
The 1st scene was 1 of Oliver walking up to a gaggle of cops, special forces personnel out on the street in front of the "Starling City Courthouse". Paul Blackthorne as Quentin Lance was also in the scene. Because of the terrible vantage point for the scene, I never could see much of what it entailed, just that Oliver is on the phone & walks around a police cruiser.
The 2nd scene after that I saw was with 2 ladies that you never expected to probably be sharing a scene. Jessica DeGouw, who I saw earlier in the day in her Huntress uniform & even posed for a photo in her mask had traded it in for a cop uniform. She was forcibly escorting Katie Cassidy (Laurel) at gunpoint out of my view in the scene, pressumably into a police cruiser, or away from the crowd of cops who seemed oblivious to this going on.
I also saw Caity Lotz on set this day in her Black Canary mask but she didn't want to be photographed in it, so I didn't....so its going to be a masktravaganza episode it seems.
I managed to get autographs on this day from Stephen, Katie, Caity & Jessica. I think that's a season 2 record for people I got on an Arrow set.
Arrow is airing new episodes every Wednesday on the CW in the U.S. & CTV in Canada.
Birds Of Prey episode is currently scheduled to air March 26th, 2014.
Arrow films scene for episode 2x05 "League Of Assassins" with Caity Lotz & Paul Blackthorne - where Sara reveals to Quentin shes alive
Here is a video of Caity Lotz & Paul Blackthorne shooting the scene from episode 205 "League Of Assassins" where Sara lets her father Quentin Lance, know she is still alive.
Arrow films scenes for episode 205 Minor & Notable Spoilers involving the Lance Family.
THIS BLOG POST CONTAINS MINOR & MAJOR SPOILERS FOR "ARROW" EPISODE 205. If you do not want to know anything prior to the episode airing, do not read the article or view the photos below.
A couple months ago I photographed "The Black Canary" on set. At the time, I had no clue who it was. As it turned out, it was the stunt double for the recently cast new Sarah Lance (who btw looks NOTHING like Jacqueline Macinnes Wood.. the original Sarah Lance), Caity Lotz.
Finally, on a late end of August night, I saw Caity Lotz in person filming... and what a scene I stumbled onto. On this particular night, I managed to find Ms. Lotz filming scenes with Paul Blackthorne (Quentin Lance, Sarahs father). The scene? Sarah lets her father know shes alive!
It took place on a quiet street in the Downtown Eastside mere feet from where I saw Supernatural filming scenes a few weeks earlier. This time, as Starling City. A scene for episode 205 titled "League Of Assassins" the scene has Quentin walking to his car, seeming pleased with himself over something, till he realizes someones coming up behind him. He slyly slides his gun out & quickly turns around, gun drawn & points it at the person. As the mysterious person comes from the dark street into view, the shocked Quentin Lance sees a face that he cant & immediately, doesn't believe. Its his daughter, Sarah. She motions to him & closes in on him, eventually getting close enough to put her hand on his gun & push his hand down. After Quentin accepts who it is, a large emotion filled hug takes place between the two, and you can hear Quentin mutter "your mother was right".
A little later, another set of scenes was done. This time, Caity was off for the rest of the night. It was now Felicty Smoak doing scenes with Quentin Lance, as Emily Bett Rickards showed up to film scenes. Emily & Paul did scenes where Felicity stands on a street corner waiting for Quentin to return home from a shift. As he approaches, she rushes up to him & eagerly tries to get his attention about a matter that she says has his life in jeopardy. I couldn't hear all the details, but she brings up Malcolm Merlyn in the conversation. It ends with Quentin closing the door on Ms. Smoak & her speaking at him thru the door "so I guess you aren't leaving town?". What can the mysterious trouble for Quentin be?
I saw some details for their next day of work, and I can say... its either confusing me to no end, or really interesting how they are playing it. All I will say is, it includes Oliver & Sarah at the Queen Mansion being attacked by... someone (not gonna say who) & the scene takes place prior to the scene where Sarah talks to her dad photographed below.
Apologies to anyone who feels ripped off that these FREE photos are sometimes grainy/blurry. I do this with a $500 camera, not a $5000 camera remember.
Arrow returns on The CW for season 2, October 9, 2013.
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Home James A. Michener This Noble Land: My Vision for America. ONE My Qualifications for Judging My Homeland. TWO Defining a Noble Land. THREE The Distribution of America’s Wealth.
Home James A. This Noble Land: My Vision for America, . FOUR Our Racial Time Bomb. FIVE Producers versus Consumers. SIX Our Educational System Must Be Revived. SEVEN The Family Under Fire. EIGHT Health Care in a Time of Triage. NINE Our Macho Society.
This Noble Land is Michener’s most personal statement about America, an examination of the issues that threaten to. .Reading any work by James Michener is an education and a vocabulary lesson.
This Noble Land is Michener’s most personal statement about America, an examination of the issues that threaten to fragment and undermine the nation-racial conflict, the widening gulf In such modern classics as Chesapeake, Centennial, Hawaii, Alaska, and Texas, James A. Michener proved time and again that his understanding of and love for his country was unparalleled.
Michener out does himself in this book. His nuts and bolts view of our country where is has been and where it might be going, should be read by everyone
Bolstered by this wide experience and his status as a writer, he has decided to put on paper his analysis of the state of his country and its many afflictions. Michener out does himself in this book. His nuts and bolts view of our country where is has been and where it might be going, should be read by everyone. I will not say I agree with all his points, but it sure makes you think about things and perhaps see things differently.
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This Noble Land is Michener’s most personal statement about America, an examination of the issues that threaten to fragment and undermine the nation-racial conflict, the widening gulf between rich and poor, the decline of education, the inadequacies of our health care system-as well as a thought-provoking prescription for sustaining our outstanding success.
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This Noble Land: My Vision for America
This Noble Land: My Vision for America. Written by James A. Narrated by Arthur Addison. This Noble Land is Michener's most personal statement about America, an examination of the issues that threaten to fragment and undermine the nation-racial conflict, the widening gulf between rich and poor, the decline of education, the inadequacies of our health care system-as well as a thought-provoking prescription for sustaining our "outstanding success. Infused with the wisdom and passion of a lifetime, This Noble Land stands as a wake-up call for a troubled era. Read on the Scribd mobile app. Download the free Scribd mobile app to read anytime, anywhere.
Delving deeper than the newspaer headlines, James Michener--storyteller, historian, teacher, government advisor, traveler, and student of his own and other cultures--gives readers his evaluation of nine fundamental problems facing America, offering insights into how to solve them. Written in Michener's trademark intimate style--so loved by readers in his bestselling memoir The World Is My Home--this book is a must for all Americans in this election year.
Iell
I appreciate Michener's keen intellect now more than I did when I read a few of his novels 20 years ago. His non-fiction works, such as this book and his, "The World is My Home: A Memoir", have re-kindled my interest in re-visiting several of his historical novels. Real treasures! The only downside to "This Noble Land" was that we, as a nation, haven't seemed to learn from Michener's spot-on observations made when this worthy book was published 18 years ago. A valuable roadmap, still, for our present crop of diverse policy-makers.
Dordred
I am currently about half way through with this book and wonder how many people have read it. This is as thought provoking a book as I have read ever. Mr. Michener has an uncanny grasp of the challenges this country is facing and a pull no punches approach to the solutions necessary to repair the damage. Together with the lifetime of experience that he amassed as well as his stellar education his draws on the history of past countries and regions to show what our outcome could be if we stand by and do nothing but deny that we have any problems. We maybe apathetic of arrogant and self satisfied but it really does not matter because either way in the end if we don't address these issues we will reap our just rewards and we will deserve everything we get. Great Book. More people should read it!
Nayatol
I think Michener makes very good points in this interesting book. It is just as relevant today as when it was written. Some ideas didn't turn out but most are still valid. I have the same fear of where we are headed and feel we have lost the ideals that started this grand experiment
Michener out does himself in this book. His nuts and bolts view of our country where is has been and where it might be going, should be read by everyone. I will not say I agree with all his points, but it sure makes you think about things and perhaps see things differently. Michener is one of my favorite authors, and this is now about my favorite of all his works.
Dawncrusher
michener was a brilliant man. he had tremendous insight. this book is great. he hoped america would continue her legacy of greatness and not sell the poor and middle-class down the river.
I;ve enjoyed most of Michener's books, but I don't agree with his Liberal views.
Akirg
Michener is one of the best story tellers of our time.
THIS NOBLE LAND My Vision For American by James A. Michener
Mr. Michner was a true USA Patriot for his whole life and died a true USA patriot. I could not sum up his work for the USA any better than that. James was 90 years old when he wrote this dream as to what he wanted his country the USA to become starting from his death when he wrote this his last book. What this book really is an open letter to Americans with the blueprint of a utopia, which he realized, was not possible with humans and their different inspirations, but he continued to have hope right to his last breath.
The things that he writes about has been achievable and he gave a blueprint to use to achieve his suggestions. Considering the situation we are in now his ideas would have been good if implemented. They should be implemented if our `elite' permits it. Our elite is now is the small number of people who now belong to the moneyed part of our society. These people have 80 percent of the wealth. We have reached the stage of our society where the money is king and the elite, which have the money, are leading us.
Money used to be used for cover over our heads and food. It is now power and elects our leaders, good or bad. Before that we elected our leaders for their ability as a hunter or provider. Then there was a relative short time when we had a democracy where elected them by votes of who we thought could lead us down the road to freedom and prosperity. Now our leaders talk a good democracy, but their actions are something else.
Michener starts out by explaining our tax system and provides suggestions for replacement after telling us how bad it is. He starts by telling his submitted tax declaration took 48 pages, this was in 1995. American tax declarations really haven't changed much since then. If anything they are more complex now. Read his thoughts on taxes they will be eye opener.
How do we get work for everyone in American? We are not headed in that direction now. Mr. Michener has a few ideas some have been tried in the past by countries in the world with varying degrees of success. Mr. Michener has put a lot of thought into this.
I want to quote Mr. Michener here, "Our government must stop passing income tax laws and other laws whose only purpose is to siphon even more wealth into the hands of those already rich while penalizing those at the lower end of the economic scale."
For any kind of `trickle down' system to work the elite have to give more to the humans who need it and will spend it on food and clothing to prevent a revolution of those who are not participating in the American bounty. And these are the people who spend and cause our economy to grow.
Mr. Michener addresses the condition of our society and where the blacks fit in. This is really worth reading for all colors. He is dreaming about a classless society.
He addresses large company and their employees, but he was not privy to our `evil' system which has came to the attention of our government now. Large and small companies were or are stealing from stockholder and employees both equally and sharing in the downward movement of these companies. The government is acting `very slowly' to correct these problems.
Mr. Michener, who taught in grade school up to post doctorate level in the university, was very interested in this subject. He went to elementary school when the children said a `pledge of allegiance to the USA' before they started class. We have gone on `dumbing down' our children in the last few years in spite is Mr. Michener's warning. I cannot write all of his recommendations here. Read his book!
I am running out of space and time, but Mr. Michener's comments on the USA family should be read and digested.
His health care section should be read by everyone in the government that has anything to do with the health laws. He put a lot of thought into how to improve our system, which is getting worse it, could. Most of the western countries have better health systems than ours. Why is this, just the smell of money?
This is getting to long to hold attention so I will close for with the recommendation to read, THIS NOBLE BOOK, MY VISION FOR AMERICA, by Mr. Michener, whose last thought was for the United States of America.
Roger L. Lee
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The Purposes of a Ghost
An orphaned boy negotiates the legends of his past in Gail Godwin’s Grief Cottage
By Emily Choate | June 7, 2017
When eleven-year-old Marcus Harshaw—the empathetic, pensive narrator of Gail Godwin’s latest novel, Grief Cottage—arrives at his new home on a small island off the South Carolina coast, he finds that the pile-up of secrets which has crowded his young life so far shows no signs of clearing out. On the contrary, the people and places he encounters on the island carry their own mysteries, and he might never get the answers he craves.
Photo: David Hermon
Marcus has already had a crash course in secret histories. His mother, who ran away from home as a teen and changed her circumstances more than once, created an unusually intimate life for the two of them. When she dies unexpectedly, Marcus is left with few answers and fewer options. Even his surname—his mother’s former husband’s name, a stand-in for his real, absent father—is a cover story. With no other choice, Marcus moves in with his mother’s aunt, Charlotte Lee, his only living relative. She too has a fake last name, having chosen Lee as a surefire way to blend in with the traditional Southern families on the island. Over the decades, Charlotte has built a solitary life as a respected painter of local beach scenes. She guards her privacy fiercely, and Marcus’s sudden arrival makes for an awkward transition.
But the island holds enough mystery and legend to keep Marcus busy, and eccentric residents fill him in on the island’s history and inhabitants. Some—like Charlotte’s closest ally, Lachicotte—live there year-round. Others, like the ancient Coral Upchurch, come only for the summer, their paid staffs preceding them to air out their historically significant family mansions. The island is also home to nests of endangered loggerhead turtles, supporting a bustling conservation effort to protect hundreds of vulnerable eggs hidden below the sand, each waiting to “boil out” and make their perilous race to the open sea.
One local curiosity seizes Marcus like no other—the story surrounding a crumbling beach shack dubbed Grief Cottage. Wrecked during the infamous Hurricane Hazel in 1954, Grief Cottage has become a magnet for speculation and myth. Hazel’s only fatalities were a young boy and his parents—short-term renters whose names (and bodies) were never recovered. Aunt Charlotte has painted Grief Cottage dozens of times for her customers, but it’s the image of the nameless boy that Marcus can’t shake. As a local man tells him, “Folks can’t tolerate loose ends—they’ve got to tie up a story.”
Sneaking into the condemned Cottage property, Marcus begins to have encounters with what he perceives to be this boy’s ghost, setting off a profound period of reflection and self-interrogation. What exactly has he seen? Who was this boy? Soon the practical questions are replaced by deeper inquiries into loss and the nature of grief. What do the living need from the dead? Perhaps, even: what do the dead need from the living? Marcus explores every facet of his brushes with the ghost boy, looking for clues about what these experiences signify and about the state of his own mental stability.
Known for her rich depictions of complicated Southern families, Godwin has added to her legacy with the memorable characters of Grief Cottage. Aunt Charlotte cuts an indelible figure: “a thin serious lady all in white, with beaky features and a Roman centurion haircut.” Living off her “fluke of a talent,” she teeters uneasily through her new role as a guardian. On the cusp of any revelation about her past or true connection with Marcus, she tends to hide away in her studio, surrounded by her work and an endless series of wine bottles.
Marcus makes an intriguing, somewhat restrained narrator, who is looking back on a painful childhood that he seems to view with equal parts tenderness and skepticism. He turns over his own motives, shames, and actions again and again—not with self-pity but to shed brighter light on his darkest choices. His compassion for the older women in his life leads him to air their secrets cautiously—secrets that may well have harmed him but have also defined him. Reading about the early troubles and sacrifices of his resourceful, unlucky mother, we want more information than Marcus will ultimately give us.
However, when it comes to getting at the deepest truths behind family mysteries, Grief Cottage strikes an admirable balance between revealing necessary morsels of character detail or backstory and acknowledging the nearly inevitable short stick most of us draw when we go looking for such answers. The dead can never give us enough to satisfy our questions. Godwin seems to be reminding us that that unquenchable search is a natural feature of our memory, and also of our grief for those we’ve lost.
Emily Choate holds an M.F.A. from Sarah Lawrence College. Her fiction has been published in Shenandoah, The Florida Review, Tupelo Quarterly, and The Double Dealer, and her nonfiction has appeared in Yemassee, Late Night Library, and elsewhere. She lives in Nashville, where she’s working on a novel.
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Modernizing Adacore's Open-Source Involvement
by Emma Adby – Nov 03, 2015
Through the adoption of GitHub we have taken our first step on the way to having a more collaborative and dynamic interaction with, both our users and open source technologies.
Following the migration of our university courses onto GitHub last year, we are pleased to announce the availability of a number of our tools in GitHub repositories, available here:
https://github.com/AdaCore
The decision to adopt GitHub was easy, as we are always looking for new ways to bring the Ada programming language to as many people as possible. By providing tools and practical lessons we hope to encourage the take up of Ada in one of the largest developer communities. In fact, GitHub now boasts a community of more than 11 million people, who are contributing to over 28 million projects!
We have started by introducing: GtkAda (Ada bindings for the GTK+ graphical library), Ada source code and complete sample GNAT projects for selected bare-board platforms supported by GNAT, and an Ada binding for Lua. We will be adding other tools in the near future.
You will be able to use the fork feature in Github to: build from sources without modifications, integrate bug fixes or develop new features, and contribute those changes back to the original project, if that makes sense for both the project and fork owner.
We are looking forward to having yet another means of interaction with the developer community and we are sure that the ability to add enhancements or patches to the repositories will be beneficial to for the tools and the language as well.
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About Emma Adby
Emma Adby is the Managing Director of AdaCore Ltd. After co-leading the global marketing team for a number of years, she now manages marketing, financial, legal and HR business operations for AdaCore’s new UK technical centre-of-excellence. Emma also works to advocate for increased adoption and wider use of the Ada and SPARK languages globally by coordinating community centric activities and resources.
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On Rae’s Trail
An ode to John Rae's 1854 Arctic expedition
Photos & Words by: Frank Wolf
In 1854, John Rae travelled 550 km by foot from Hudson Bay to the Northwest Passage. Unlike earlier explorers who shunned indigenous methods of travel in the Arctic, Rae extensively utilized Inuit knowledge by travelling with them, dressing in animal skins, sleeping in igloos and living off the land.
In the course of his journey he made two significant discoveries. The first was an eastern strait (since named Rae Strait) around King William Island, which was eventually used by Roald Amundsen to become the first person to successfully navigate the Northwest Passage. Rae’s second finding, thanks to evidence presented to him by local Inuit the area, was that all 129 members of the infamous Franklin Expedition (who had been missing for seven years) had perished.
In April and May of 2019, David Reid, Richard Smith, Frank Wolf and Garry Tutte set out on skis to retrace this little known chapter of Arctic history, with David and Richard successfully reaching Rae Strait after a month of travel.
Naujaat Intersection: The starting point of our journey was the hamlet of Naujaat, an Inuit community tucked into the Northwest corner of Hudson Bay. From here, we’d begin our retracing of John Rae’s 1854 expedition.
Hauling over ice: Team members David Reid and Richard Smith haul sleds over ice heaves at the mouth of the North Pole River, our inland route to connect Hudson Bay with Committee Bay.
Morning Richard! Richard Smith wakes bleary eyed and encrusted with frost after another night sleeping out in deeply subzero temperatures. With the thermometer dropping as low as -55 C on this journey, managing the cold was always at the forefront of daily activities where frostbite and frostnip were constant concerns.
Rae used this string of lakes and rivers along the North Pole River system to reach the Northwest Passage, though the waters are rarely travelled today.
Richard skis alongside the tracks of a wolverine. These elusive creatures aren’t often spotted but we were lucky enough to see them on two different occasions on Committee Bay. Their dark fur stood out like a beacon on the white of the sea ice, darting between chunks of broken ice. Highly effective and aggressive scavengers, they will trail wolves and polar bear to feed on – and sometimes steal – their kills.
David and Richard work their 200lb loads through the broken sea ice of Committee Bay, a 100km stretch we had to ski over the Arctic Ocean. The team wore a full Arc’teryx shell and pant combination every day of the journey to repel the constant, biting wind.
The prank rock rears its ugly head again. David discovers why his sled felt particularly heavy that morning in the form of a rock that Richard deftly placed on his sled to start the day.
David chats with a group of Inuit travelling along the Kellett River to check fishing nets they’ve set to ensnare char under the ice. As John Rae did back in 1854, we encountered lots of local Inuit along our route- particularly as we approached the hamlet of Kugaaruk. With an intimate knowledge of the land, we would gather route and trail information from them, and they were more than happy to oblige. Ever practical, they were a little puzzled as to why we were travelling on skis instead of snowmobiles.
David works over a wind-scoured landscape between lakes. Like a desert, it rarely precipitates in the arctic, but what does fall is steadily shaped into a rock-solid sastrugi art piece.
Take a Hike A Coast Never Lost The Otter Trail Diamond in the Wind On Rae’s Trail
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Marketing Madness
We analyzed the top marketing campaigns tied in with the NCAA March Madness Basketball Tournament to see how brands are capitalizing on the annual college sports frenzy.
Did you fill out a bracket?
A common question around the office this time of year. March Madness is a time when colleges across the country come together for one of the biggest sports and media spectacles of the year - save for the Super Bowl. While it's structured around the student-athlete ecosystem, this “college" tournament brings in an estimated $1 billion in revenue to the NCAA, not to mention, according The American Gaming Association, an estimated $9.2 billion in gambling on various brackets, and pools surrounding the event. When there is that much money - and attention at stake, we want to know how brands are driving and inserting themselves into the conversation.
March Madness (@MarchMadness)
Where have they been posting
The official March Madness accounts have been posting heavily during the tournament so far. Their media breakdown has relied heavily on YouTube (46%) and Instagram (32%), with the other 12% on Facebook and 10% on Twitter.
What have they been posting
Instagram ads focusing on awareness (60%) and consideration (39%), while YouTube ads were focused 100% on conversion and getting you to watch the games.
Where have they been succeeding
Two of the most successful ads, in terms of engagement, have been on Instagram. Both featuring University of Central Florida breakout star, Tacko Fall or Tacko "Tall" as his friends call him (he’s 7’6").
How do people feel about March Madness
Comments and posts surrounding March Madness have been increasingly positive, with a 33% positive sentiment report and a 19% negative sentiment report.
Buffalo Wild Wings (@BWWings)
Pretty evenly across social using Facebook (31%), Instagram (39%), and Twitter (30%).
On Twitter they were mainly focusing on consideration (97%). Instagram was a split, with 48% on awareness and 44% on consideration. Facebook was in a similar range as Twitter, with 80% focus on consideration.
Their most viewed ad, in terms of engagement, has been an Instagram Dark post about March Madness.
How do people feel about Buffalo Wild Wings and March Madness
The posts have around the brand have been pretty similar in terms of positivity 21% and negativity 22%.
AT&T (@att)
AT&T used YouTube (69%) as their main medium, Instagram (21%) as its second and Facebook third(9%).
Across all of their channels, 100% of the creatives are focusing on consideration.
The ad that generated the most engagement was an Instagram dark post that continued their “Just okay, is not okay” campaign but with a March Madness twist.
How do people feel about AT&T and March Madness
Overwhelmingly positive, with a positive sentiment report of 45% and a negative sentiment 18%. Ie “Just okay, is not okay.”
Infiniti (@InfitinitiUSA)
The main channel used for this campaign has been instagram, with 85% of the posts coming from there, and the other 14% coming from Facebook.
Similar to AT&T, there is a 100% focus on consideration across all channels being used.
The ad that has been succeeding the most was from their competition campaign. Where, if you posted a video of a trick shot / cool video with the campaign hashtag #TIMEOUTFTW and #INFINITICONTEST, you were entered into a raffle for a trip to see the final four.
How do people feel about Infiniti and March Madness
Really positive, the campaign has a 2% negative sentiment report and 29% positive sentiment report.
As March Madness continues, we will be posting updates on other campaigns surrounding the tournament. Check back to keep up on the pulse of March Madness marketing.
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Kineti L'Tziyon קנאתי לציון
{ messiah | torah | zion | life }
by judah gabriel himango
Conclusions on Former Gentiles
You, a former gentile who believes in Messiah, are no longer foreign to the covenants God made with Israel. You used to be alienated from Israel, now you’re not. No longer an alien/foreigner, but a first-class member of God’s people.
The other week, we critically dissected the first part of Ephesians 2, where Paul makes this claim of gentiles-as-first class citizens, in God’s kingdom, no longer foreigners to Israel and the covenants God made with his people; now part of the commonwealth of Israel.
Enjoy your first class seat!
Since then, we’ve had a lot of vehement debate.
The initial post generated a 15 responses as folks interpreted Paul’s letter in light of their own theologies.
A week later as we discussed this in more detail, wondering just exactly what Paul meant by this mutation:
Initial state:
Apart from God
Alienated from Israel
Strangers to the covenants God made with Israel
New state:
Brought near to God through Messiah
Joined to the commonwealth of Israel
Partakers of God’s covenants with Israel
Beware the mutant gentiles!
That means gentiles have been brought near to God through Messiah, are no longer aliens to Israel, and are no longer strangers to the covenants God made with Israel.
That's some pretty deep theology there.
We finally looked at the last half of Ephesians 2. Sweet goodness, did you guys have a lot to say on this! As of this writing, we’ve have 49 comments of debate discussing this last bit where Paul tells us a mystery: this metamorphosis has come because Messiah broke down the wall dividing Jew and gentile. By abolishing the Torah on the cross.
Yeah, about that last part. As much as some Christians want that to be true, it just doesn’t pan out, as we’ll shortly see.
Let’s get out our scalpel and finish this sucker! Here is the last bit of Ephesians 2: it’s nice and short, but contains some real doozies!
He is our peace, who made both one.
He broke down the middle wall, the enmity in his flesh, the law of the commands in ordinances having done away, that the two he might create in himself into one new man, making peace, to reconcile both in one body to God through the cross, having slain the enmity in it.
He came and proclaimed good news – peace to you – both far off and near, because through him we have the access – we both – in one Spirit unto the Father.
Then, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow-citizens of the house of God, being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Yeshua Messiah himself being chief corner-[stone], in whom all the building fitly framed together increases to an holy sanctuary in the Lord, in whom also you are built together, for a home of God in the Spirit.
-Paul, in his letter to Ephesus
Whew. Let’s dissect this and see what comes out.
Who’s he talking about when he says “both”? Because we’ve studied this thing in context, we know he’s talking about Israel and the gentiles.
Ok, so to paraphrase, here’s conclusion #1: “Messiah is our peace who made Israel and the gentiles as one.”
Paul explains this a bit:
He broke down the wall that divided us. Ok, good good good. Don’t know what the enmity in his flesh is. Skipping… He did away with the enmity, which is the Torah, slaying it on the cross. Good good…erhm, wait, WHAT?!
Many Christians interpret this verse in this way: “Jesus Christ slew the Torah on the cross.”
Slew. To slay. That means, “destroy with violence”.
Is that how you interpret this, dear blog reader?
Here Paul just finished saying how gentiles are no longer foreigners to Israel and the covenants (including the Mosaic covenant!). But then Paul supposedly says, “Oh, and Messiah destroyed the covenants by slaying them on the cross.”
Folks, it ain’t addin’ up! </southern drawl>
Joking aside, there’s a deeply-rooted flaw with such an interpretation. If Paul is saying what some wish him to be saying, then Paul is contrary to Messiah, contrary to the prophets, contrary to the Psalms, contrary to pretty much all of Scripture. If Paul is saying, “Jesus violently destroyed and abolished the Torah on the cross”, then Paul’s writings would have the need to be violently ripped from the New Testament!
Fortunately, Paul is not saying that.
Fortunately, Paul is in alignment with Messiah.
And we don’t have to perform any airy spiritual acrobatics to interpret in such a way that Messiand and Paul are not at odds with each other.
After discussing this verse with you fine blog readers and hearing your own interpretations, my own interpretation comes to this, conclusion #2:
As Israel was kept separate from the nations through Torah, hostility abounded. Messiah destroyed the hostility-wall.
And no Scriptural acrobatics required.
So Messiah destroyed the hostility between Jew and gentile, Israel and the nations. Ok, how exactly is that accomplished? Since Torah is still here (as Messiah said, “until heaven and earth pass away”), how is it that there’s no hostility between Jew and gentile?
Well, truth be told, there is still hostility. I sense it even on this blog, in the comments. I sense it in the religion of Messianic Judaism.
But if we are walking perfectly with Messiah, that hostility would not exist. And this is Paul’s next point:
This hostility is broken down because we both have equal access to God through Messiah. If I could paraphrase, I’d say, “Messiah brought good news to both Israel and the gentiles: through Him, both have access to God.”
And Paul ties it all together – why was he talking about “former gentiles” before? How does this fit?
Therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow-citizens of the house of God, being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Yeshua Messiah himself being chief corner-[stone], in whom all the building framed together increases to an holy sanctuary in the Lord, in whom also you are built together, for a home of God in the Spirit.
Gentiles are no longer strangers to the things of God: Israel or the covenants with Israel. Instead, you’re fellow-citizens with Israel. You’re built on Messiah, the prophets, the apostles. You’re the Temple.
To summarize and paraphrase, this is what Ephesians 2 is all about:
You gentiles used to follow the ways of the world, sinning without remorse. Rebels against God. You were dead. You were separate from Israel. A complete foreigner to all of the covenants God made with His people Israel --no Torah, no God, no life!
But God loved all humanity; he saved us by giving Messiah. He did it to show how great He is. It's all Him, we sure didn't warrant it!
Now even gentiles can be set right with God.
In doing this, Messiah became that shalom that makes Jew and gentile as one.
Because of the Torah, there was hostility between Israel and the gentiles. But He destroyed this hostility by bringing peace to both Jew and gentile, giving both of us access to God.
Because of that, you gentiles are fellow citizens with Israel in God’s house, you each have become a Temple to house God’s Spirit, a Temple built on the prophets and the apostles, with Messiah himself as the bedrock.
-My summarized, simplified interpretation of Ephesians 2
After weeks of Scriptural study and having heard the opinions and interpretations of you fine blog readers, this is the conclusion I’ve drawn.
One thing I was hoping this study would do is give us a better idea of how Torah applies to gentiles, and whether gentiles become Jews.
It’s shed a little light, I think:
Gentiles do not magically change lineage to become Jews. Gentiles are still non-Jews, the nations.
Gentiles are no longer foreigners to the any of God’s covenants, including the Torah.
Gentiles are fellow citizens of the commonwealth of Israel
Does that mean Torah applies to gentiles?
If you are not a foreigner, but a fellow citizen of the commonwealth of Israel, Torah applies to even the gentiles who were once far off but now are near.
It makes sense, doesn’t it? If God wants even the previously-unclean gentiles to be clean, wouldn’t He apply the same standard of cleanliness to both Jew and gentile?
He told Israel how to be holy in a day-to-day life using very practical and concise commandments about what’s right and what’s wrong. Christian blog reader, you may be surprised to know these day-to-day instructions exist in the first half of your Bible.
There exists but one standard of right and wrong for God’s people, whether native born Israelites or you former gentiles who are fellow citizens, joined to the commonwealth of Israel, no longer foreigners to God’s covenants with Israel. That standard is Torah, embodied by Messiah who showed us how to live. Messiah made Jew and gentile as equals before God not by destroying the Torah, but by giving both Jews and gentiles access to God through himself.
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Anonymous Monday, November 10, 2008 2:43:00 PM
I was recently forwarded to this blog, noting your discussions on the Epistle of Ephesians. I have been conducting a Bible study on Ephesians for the past 3 months and addressed the Ephesians 2:11-17 passage in significant detail, evaluating the opinions of contemporary Ephesians' scholarship. They are actually not as cut and dry on Yeshua abolishing the whole Law, as Reformed/Calvinist scholarship has historically held this to only be the ceremonial law of the Torah, and not the moral law. I don't agree, but it is a better view than the whole Law being abolished.
Suffice it to say, the clause ton nomon tōn entolōn en dogmasin is quite debated among expositors. When reading the text, we see that it specifically relates to the dividing wall that existed in the Second Temple. Notably the term dogma does not appear in the Septuagint translation of the Torah, but does appear throughout the LXX translation of Daniel referring to decrees of the Babylonians and Persians. Some kind of man-made decrees or law is the subject matter here, and is only intensified when we can grasp the fact that nomos has a bit more flexibility in an ancient Mediterranean context. Yeshua abolished man-made decrees that deliberately skewed the mission of God in the world, as originally given to Ancient Israel.
You will be very limited if all you do is stick with an English translation. Inductive Bible study is a great starting point for interpretation, but it is insufficient in addressing these difficult questions. This Bible study (currently into ch. 3) is accessible at:
http://www.tnnonline.net/biblestudy/index.html
Judah Gabriel Himango Monday, November 10, 2008 3:22:00 PM
Hi J.K.
Thanks for visiting. I hope you hang around.
I'm familiar with TNNOnline. I will check out your study. My own conclusions didn't lead me to the idea that only the man-made decrees were abolished. With that stated clearly, I further say: my conclusion is not sealed; I'm just here to understand it more. The more I understand it, the more my opinion will take shape.
I feel like now that I've studied it for a few weeks, I have a much better understanding than when I started. I expect that trend to continue.
Thank you for your gracious approach to Ephesians and to the subject matter.
One debate concerning this letter that you probably missed (and most do) is the fact that "in Ephesus" is missing from the oldest manuscripts of the text. Most conservatives are agreed that "Ephesians" was a general epistle written by Paul to Believers in Asia Minor, not those specifically in Ephesus. Paul doesn't exactly act like he knows people with whom he has spent three years (Acts 19). The letter eventually made its way to Ephesus, though.
Too many people skip the Bible study Introduction, when in many ways that is the most important part.
Russ Monday, November 10, 2008 11:05:00 PM
Judah,
I'm not going to comment.
I'm trying not to comment.
Please, someone jump in soon.
Efrayim
Judah Gabriel Himango Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:29:00 AM
That's interesting. I'm gonna have to look at that. Thanks.
Efrayim,
:-) Is there something that absolutely, positively must be said, and you're not saying it?
Russ Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:26:00 PM
Yes, there always is...
but I don't want to start another tennis match with Gene.
I'll just watch for awhile and see where this goes. Besides, it is going to take some time to wade through what TNN has included in their study.
Anonymous Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:27:00 PM
Another issue you may wish to explore in your Ephesians studies is the close relationship Ephesians has to Colossians. Most commentators are agreed that the two epistles were written at about the same time, and some would go as far as to say that the mysterious "letter to the Laodiceans" (Colossians 4:16) is in fact the circular epistle to Asia Minor known as "Ephesians."
There are many parallels seen in Ephesians and Colossians, and many commentaries include Ephesians and Colossians (and Philemon) together.
robyn L. Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:43:00 PM
J.K., I'm glad you posted here. I had read one of your essays that had been posted on someone else's blog (I don't remember which). I liked the essay, but couldn't find any further information about you or your writing. So, I'm happy to bump into you here! I've bookmarked the TNN website and will be reading it when I have more time.
A. Michael Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:16:00 PM
Judah, you mentioned in your post that if the typical Christian interpretation of Shaul's words is correct - that is, the Pharisee AND Essene (read my last email, hehe) Rabbi of the coalition-sect of Judaism called the Netzarim after Yeshua HaNetzer - THAT Shaul - then it contradicts Yeshua.
Not only that, but if what the Christians say Yeshua did or came to do, it means he contradicted the Tanakh and Judaism. If that's true, he's not Mashiach. And so it is true, Jesus is not Mashiach, he is like another greek god, another son of Zeus.
And even if what many Messianics say Rav Shaul said, it contradicts at least the Torah. If they are ignorant of all the sects, teachings, and happenings of 2nd Temple Judaism and the teachings of Judaism in general, then they will draw false conclusions like their Christian counterparts do. And true enough, the Shaul of the Messianics is a liberal, anti-Judaism, hardly-zealous-for-Torah wimp.
In fact, he was then opposite. He is so badly misunderstood its disheartening.
I had to stop reading the Khetuvei Netzarim (i.e. "Brit Chadasha") and get a solid grasp of Judaism, first century Judaism, the customs, traditions, etc to even begin to really understand Shaul and stop misunderstanding him.
The "works of the law" verses of Galatians are the very worst, and if they're true to all Christian and almost all Messianic interpretation, they're in conflict with what the great brother of Yeshua and Nasi of the Netzari Beit Din wrote in his book, chapter two (Ya'akov/"James" 2).
Instead, they're in alignment, and they're in alignment with Yeshua's teachings that gaining eternal life comes through observance of the Torah. You just have to understand the arguments and teachings they make through the lens of nothing less than Judaism!
Really, before anyone can understand the "Brit Chadasha" (i.e. "new testament"), they have to learn A LOT, otherwise there is no way you can understand! Its impossible. And probably no one knows how what I'm saying can be true unless they have learned it themselves - because all the Christian doctrine running through their minds will tell them how plain and simple it is to understand Yeshua's and Shaul's words and just understand them from a totally removed-from-Judaism western, gentile, Greco-Roman, Christian paradigm.
Not gonna work!
And even understanding modern Judaism will not do it. You have to understand WHO the Netzarim/Nazarene Jews were, what Netzari/Nazarene Judaism was, and where its roots were. Put plainly, its roots were Pharisaic and Essene (not Sadduceean/Karaite, as both the Pharisees and Essenes believed in the Oral Torah and the authority of halacha, etc). Which becomes very obvious to one who studies each sect and becomes somewhat familiar with them. The parallels with those sects and the later Netzari sect which sprouted from both of them are unreal and undeniably directly connected.
I encourage anyone and everyone to understand this more, because I'm telling you, after living a Karaite-like Messianics lifestyle, and after living a more modern Orthodox Jewish lifestyle, and then after living an entirely Orthodox lifestyle for a short period of time in Jerusalem, attending the second-largest syangogue in Jerusalem - I can absolutely say that I am a Netzari Jew for life!
Its changed my outlook on life entirely, its answered the questions to my zeal for Torah that went shunned in Messianism, it began me on the right path, a fulfilling path for my quest of the perfect Oral Torah and halachot of Torah observance, and it has made me a zealot for Zion, Torah, and the real Yeshua.
B"H!
BS"D
Your bro,
Let me be a classic example of a Jew and write a commentary on my commentary of something else, hahaha.
I wrote:
"The "works of the law" verses of Galatians are the very worst, and if they're true to all Christian and almost all Messianic interpretation, they're in conflict with what the great brother of Yeshua and Nasi of the Netzari Beit Din wrote in his book, chapter two (Ya'akov/"James" 2).
Instead, they're in alignment, and they're in alignment with Yeshua's teachings that gaining eternal life comes through observance of the Torah. You just have to understand the arguments and teachings they make through the lens of nothing less than Judaism!"
What do I mean by this? I want to clarify so that I'm not considered a heretic or sorely misunderstood like Shaul (not that I'm anywhere near Rav Shaul's level, chas v'shalom I would consider myself at that level).
Yeshua CLEARLY teaches, on at least two occasions that eternal life comes through observance of the Torah (the scribe who asks him and also the rich man who asks him).
Sha'l says, or seems to say you cannot be saved by works.
Contradictions, right? Ya'akov shows that they're both right. Ya'akov tells us in chapter two of his book that faith without works is dead. Follow this: faith in the Living Torah, Yeshua, is dead without works of the Torah.
So here we see, we ARE saved by following the works, obeying the mitzvot of Torah, which REQUIRES in and of itself to have faith in HaShem and to "love him with all your heart, soul, and capacity", and in that same group of verses commands us to be obsessively zealous for the Torah.
So, if you do what the Words of the Torah tell you, you will inherit eternal life. As eternal life comes from faith in HaShem and the works that prove the faith and that show you love him ("if you love me, keep my mitzvot"). Trusting in Yeshua and keeping his mitzvot is the way to eternal life. Nothing has changed since the days of the Tanakh.
And as Ya'akov tells us, "I will show you my faith BY my works".
Enough said - problem solved. But if I were anyone reading this who still has those "works of the law" verses running through their heads, go look into the ancient Essene sect of Judaism to find a much deeper and accurate meaning there.
You can't find if you don't look! Don't think you've already found it, especially if you're confused or still believe there is a difference in the teaching of the Torah and the teaching of Yeshua or Shaul.
Another commentary on my own commentary coming in a sec.
Russ Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:11:00 PM
Aharon,
Have you been hanging out with Yosef ben Ruach, otherwise known as Norman Willis?
Did you read his book?
Is that where you are coming from?
A. Michael Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:17:00 PM
No, I haven't been hanging out with him, figuratively speaking of course.
He is Nazarene Israel, which is somewhat different from Netzari/Nazarene Judaism, but most of the Nazarene Israel organizations are together with the Jewish ones.
Generally speaking, Nazarene Israel groups are mostly the Ephraimites in the Nazarene movement who have a problem calling their faith Judaism.
I believe I have read some of Norman Willis' book.
-Aaron
Instead of writing more explaining my original post here, I'm going to raise the very controversial question as to whether goyim should be converted to Judaism.
First, take notice how converting Jews to Christianity is A-OK with most, even Messianics, many of whose organizations are aimed at this very thing. But to convert a Christian to Judaism - heaven forbid! That's "Judaizing", right? And the EVIL Judaizers are the people "Paul" taught against, right?
Well.. wrong. First, read this, by Rabbi James Trimm, on the term "Judaize":
"Many Christians have come to use the term "Judaizers" to describe Paul's oponants in the book of Galatians, who by their interpretation were wrongly teaching Gentiles to keep the Jewish Law.
Sadly many in the Messianic Jewish movement have brought this term into the movement with them as part of their "baggage" left over from Christianity.
I have talked to many in the movement who used this term and when I asked them they were CERTAIN the word "Judaizers" came right out of the Bible. When I have challenged them to find this word in the Bible they eventually
come back and admit that this word is not there and are shocked because they were so sure that it was. This illustrates how completely this word and the thought behind it have been infused into people. In fact just
recently I heard a speaker at a Messianic event use this word to attack those who would teach things Jewish to Ephraimites.
The truth is that the term "Judaizer" as it is used by Christians today is a HIGHLY anti-semitic term which I personally find offensive. The way in which this term is used today implies that that which is Jewish is bad.
To Christianize is ok, to gentilize is fine, but to Judaize is bad. Why should "Judaizing" be bad? Why should it be thought of as evil to teach Judaism?
The truth is that these persons are not even using the terms "Judaize" and "Judaizer" according to their proper meaning.
The term "Judaize"(ioudaizo) comes from Gal. 2:14 (which we will examine later). Let us examine the ancient usage of the words "Judaize" and "Judaizer".
The earliest usage of the word "Judaize" is to be found in the Greek LXX translation of the Book of Ester. In Ester 8:17 we are told that in the wake of the Jewish victory and the institution of Purim, many of the people in Persia "became Jews" (yahad) (Strong's Hebrew# 3054) The Greek translator of the Greek LXX version of Ester 8:17 renders this with the statement that they "were circumcised and Judaized (ioudaizo) (strong's Greek# 2450)".
Josephus writes of the Roman Commander Metilius who was commander of the
Roman garrison in Jerusalem. Josephus writes that he "saved his life by
entreaties and promises to Judaize (ioudaizo) and even to be circumcised"
(Jewish War, 2.17.10).
Elsewhere Josephus tells us that when the Syrians thought they had brought the Jews to ruin, they "had the judaizers (ioudaizontas) in suspicion also".
In all of these contexts it appears that "to Judaize" means to convert to Judaism and a "Judaizer" is a person who has "Judaized" (i.e. has converted to Judaism).
Now lets look at Gal. 2:14 from the Greek:
"I [Paul] said to Kefa before them all, 'If you, though a Jew, live like a
Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you compel the Gentiles to Judaize
(ioudaizo)."
Where the Greek has "Judaize" the Aramaic of Galatians has "live as the Jews".
It appears here also that to "Judaize" is to convert to Judaism. Here it is not Kefa that Judaizes but those he teaches. It is important to note that Paul is not accusing Kefa of causing Gentiles to Judaize, but of wrongly acting like an Aramaean rather than a Jew should because he was only associating with Jews and giving Gentiles the cold shoulder. He was judging people racially. Paul was not accusing Kefa of teaching Judaism of of racial prejudice.
Next we see the term "Judaize" used by Ignatious of Antioch (c. 98 C.E.). Ignatious was the founder of the Anti-nomian Christian religion. His clearest statement of his split of what he termed "Christianity" from
Judaism is to be found in his letter to the Magnesians:
Be not deceived with strange doctrines;
nor with old fables which are unprofitable.
For if we still continue to live according to the Jewish Law,
we do confess ourselves not to have received grace…
let us learn to live according to the rules of Christianity,
for whosoever is called by any other name
besides this, he is not of God….
It is absurd to name Jesus Christ, and to Judaize (ioudaizo).
For the Christian religion did not embrace the Jewish.
But the Jewish the Christian…
(Mag. 3:1, 8, 11)
"Judaizers" are not persons who teach Judaism, they are persons who have chosen to convert to Judaism. To "Judaize" is not to teach Judaism, but to convert to Judaism. Ignatius, the founder of the new anti-nomian (anti-Torah)
Christian religion, was the first to characterize it as wrong to "Judaize".
The words "Judaize" and "Judaizer" as they are used by most Christians (and sadly even Messianic Jews) today to characterize the teaching of Judaism as evil are highly offensive and should not be used in that manner.
In closing, Judaism is the one true faith that was once and for all time given. Therefore I hope that any of you who are not already Judaizers will eventually make the choice to Judaize.
James Trimm"
So tying this all together, why would Ya'akov HaTzadik ("James"), who was Nasi (President) of the Netzari Beit Din/Sanhedrin, rule in Acts 15 the same ruling ancient Pharisaic and modern Pharisaic Judaism has for goyim who are coming to Judaism?
There he tells them to abstain from some of the Noachide Laws, and that they will hear the Torah spoken in the synagogues every Shabbat, as is the Jewish custom.
Modern Judaism tells us that the Noachide laws are a step for goyim leading to Judaism, that eventually as they understand more of the Torah, they will decide either to convert to Judaism and be circumcised under the covenant of Avraham and Torah, or they will choose not to be.
This SAME outline is given for those goyim who came to faith in The Master, Yeshua HaNetzer, the Great Rabbi of the sect of Netzarim. These goyim were to be fully integrated into Israel and take on the faith of Israel which has become known as Judaism, named after the righteous remnant of Israel, called Judah (the Jews).
It really is that simple, and we shouldn't make a fuss about it or try to avoid calling our faith Judaism. Maybe many are still in the Noachide process and not ready for that. So be it then, I have no problem.
If you're faith isn't Judaism yet, it doesn't mean you're not so-called "saved" in the event you were to die. Instead, the final outcome for every non-Israelite who comes to Yeshua is to BECOME an Israelite - and all who start that path through Yeshua HaNetzer have become netzarim (meaning sprouts or offshoot branches) of the Olive Tree of Israel. It is only the fruition of that process in Yeshua that leads one to come to Torah observance (the faith of Israel, known as Judaism today) and become an Israelite fully.
That is why Yeshua IS the restorer of the exiles of Israel, and so is his job as Mashiach - so he better do it! His sacrifice was an atonement for the sins of lost Israel, especially those who became integrated into the goyim, to draw them back into Israel. (What are sins? Transgressions of Torah, 1 Yoch./John 3:4-6).
However, this process is not for everyone who believes or thinks they believe in Yeshua. Only some former goyim will become Israelites and truly hearken the call of Mashiach.
Long comment, I know. Kol hakavod to anyone who reads through this all and doesn't skip around and then accuse me of being a heretic or something else, hahaha.
Judah Gabriel Himango Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:00:00 PM
Aaron, I must admit, I thought the term "Judaize" was in the New Testament somewhere.
I just did a search on BibleGateway.com for "judaizer", and I see a few results:
-"Judaizers were a corrupt form of Christianity." Acts 15, Acts 21, Galatians 3.
-"Paul contends with the Judaizers against their circumcision theology" Acts 15:1,2
I clicked on both links, but to my surprise, "Judaizer" doesn't appear there. Hah!
I think it highlights the anti-semitism present in Christianity you were talking about.
I try to be sincere in all things. I hate it when people aren't sincere. :-) So let me be sincere: I haven't come to grips with Yeshua-following-as-Judaism. I believe Yeshua following isn't about the Christian religion, which I see as a Roman-led departure from the original faith.
But I'm hesitant to say Judaism is the original faith because I see problems with it. Heck, I see problems with "first century Judaism" that so many Messianic congregations are worried about restoring.
Believe it or not, Aaron, I'm seeing a lot of Messianics distance themselves from anything that's not traditional Judaism. You may say that's a good thing. I'm not so sure.
Here are some example of what I mean:
-Daniel Lancaster's congregation in Wisconsin doesn't want folks using the name YHVH. Instead, as in traditional Judaism, use the name Adonai, Lord, HaShem. But not His name.
-As another example, folks like Derek Leman want nothing to do with the Torah-based calendar, and instead wish to use the traditional Jewish calendar, even though we know the Jewish calendar to be off slightly (due to exile), and the knowledge that it contains the names of pagan gods. (Tammuz, for example).
-In another example, many other Messianic congregations want strictly controlled worship: no singing from the heart, singing "in the spirit" to the Lord, no flow of the spirit, just do some songs in an orderly, controlled fashion, and call it worship.
It's stuff like this that makes me shy away from "Judaism".
What do you think of this? Am I way off? Please tell me what you think without worry of offending me, I'm here to learn, not be offended.
J-bro,
Your concerns are well founded and make sense.
The problem is, you're viewing Judaism too much through what you see of modern Orthodox Judaism - but that's expected since really the only modern Judaism is of this kind. Can you make a judgment about Judaism as a whole without knowing the entirety of it, or its origins?
See, I don't follow Orthodox (or more accurately "Rabbinic") Judaism and all its halachot, traditions, and minhagim in its entirety. I am Netzari, not modern Pharisaic/Rabbinic Judaism. What that entails is that I follow the halachic judgments of Yeshua, my highest Rabbi, my Mashiach, and the founder of my sect. And I follow the halachot of the Netzari Beit Din/Sanhedrin.
The only problem is, we don't have all the halachot of either The Master, or of the Netzari Beit Din.
Judah, think of the one true faith as being called Adamism in time of Adam, since he was the one who passed this knowledge of the One True El to his sons.
Then lets say the Torah was passed to Noach, the righteous remnant, the only survivor, and Shem took on the responsibility of teaching to Torah to not only his sons, the Semites, but to the sons of his brothers as well. So Avraham would have known this maybe to be called Shemism (or Semitism), let's just say. Or maybe it is named after Noach? "Noachism"?
And after the flood, there are new innovations that need to be made to righteousness, since things have majorly changed on earth. In accordance with the Torah passed from Adam who knew it from HaShem directly in Gan Eden, Shem makes righteous judgments for new situations that exist on earth, let's say.
Then Avraham, a son of Shem, a Semite is chosen of HaShem, he is as a righteous remnant of Shem, learning the Torah from Shem, obeying the mitzvot, passing it on to his sons. What did Avraham observe? Shemism, lets say, as passed down from Adam eventually to Shem.
Avraham passes it down to his chosen seed, the righteous remnant, eventually to his grandson Ya'akov. Ya'akov/Yisra'el to his 12 sons who observe it, and Yosef known for wearing his special talit his father gave him.
Then Israel is put in Mitzrayim, forgets the Torah, and it is renewed at Har-Sinai by the hand of Moshe, who was chosen as the leader of the righteous remnant that came out of Mitzrayim. The Torah is givin there and written down and the wisdom of carrying it out is passed down to the elders, they are given authority to make halachic decisions for all Israel, as the written Torah tells us.
Now, at this point in time, what is this one true faith in the One True El called? Israelism maybe? Mosheism? We'll say Israelism for now - the Faith of Israel.
After a long while, Israel is split in two. The house of Ephraim is divorced of HaShem and falls away into idolatry. Judah remains faithful to HaShem and carries on the Torah, carries on the faith of Israel.
So Judah carries the Torah with him into Babylonian exile. There the faith of Israel is first named "Judaism", named after the righteous remnant of Israel, called Judah.
So here we have Judaism, the righteous continuation of the faith in the One True El. Yeshua not once took issue with it being called Judaism, instead he tells the Samaritan that salvation is of the Jews. And Shaul was not ashamed of not only being a follower of Judaism, but a Pharisee in that faith!
The Netzari/Nazarene sect, of which Rav Shaul is called a ringleader, was based upon two sects at the current time, the Pharisees and Essenes. Anyone who needs proof of that, I can surely supply.
So here we see Judaism being reinforced and fixed with Yeshua's movement that crossed sectarian boundary and united a myriad of Jews and brought in tons of goyim back into the Olive Tree of Israel.
Here are two examples from the "Brit Chadasha".
1. The Prodigal Son. Judah is the prodigal son, Judah, the Jewish people, Judaism.
Ephraim is the rebellious son.
2. Romim (11?), Shaul talks about the two olive trees. Never are olive trees used to describe the goyim. Rather, one olive tree is Ephraim, and/or Ephraim's pagan,idolatrous religion.
The other is Judah, and/or Judaism. Who is grafted into what? Ephraim is grafted back into Israel through Judah/Judaism. Not that they become tribal Jews, but that they tap into the olive tree known as Judaism which has its roots all the way back into Adamism, if you will.
In other words, salvation is of Judaism, Shaul knew and taught that Ephraim would regain his proper Israelite identity THROUGH Judah/Judaism. It makes sense.
Don't think of Judaism as only of the Jews, but as of all Israel, backing up, as of all Avraham's descendants (including Yishmael!), all of Shem's descendants, all of Noach's descendants (the whole world!) rooting back to Adam.
So 'Adamism' is Judaism and everything in between. It is all the same thing, the one true faith in the One True El, based on a personal relationship with El Elyon (Most High El), and learning to love him like a Father ("if you love me, keep my commands").
Why is Judaism probably much more complex than Adamism? As the tree of the One True Faith grows, it sprouts beautifully with leaves, fruit, etc. (These sprouts, in the form of minhagim, are to be looked upon as beautification so long as they are in line with Torah). And the most beautiful sprout (NETZER in Hebrew) of that Tree is Netzari Judaism. Founded by Yeshua HaNetzer who came to restore many branches back into the Tree.
See the symbolism, its not that complicated. And when you follow the righteous remnant line all the way down - everything else fits in. Now you can understand Shaul's message better, and see that in Yeshua there truly is no difference between observant Jew and goy, because the goy is made into a Torah observant Israelite, as the Jew already is, and the two are one in his hand as a kingdom of Cohanim zealous for the Torah and the service of YHVH Elohei Yisra'el.
Does this fly with you, or is it just a nice try?
Paddy Hugh Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:51:00 PM
The way in which this term is used today implies that that which is Jewish is bad.
I agree. I used to read that and think "what was the problem?" although Shaul is referring to an obvious state of confusion the Galatians were under about how to be "saved".
Erm, pardon my ignorance, can someone please explain Ephraimites? I'm too lazy to look it up myself and this seems like a nice place to ask stuff...
"Here are some example of what I mean:
1.Daniel Lancaster's congregation in Wisconsin doesn't want folks using the name YHVH. Instead, as in traditional Judaism, use the name Adonai, Lord, HaShem. But not His name.
2.As another example, folks like Derek Leman want nothing to do with the Torah-based calendar, and instead wish to use the traditional Jewish calendar, even though we know the Jewish calendar to be off slightly (due to exile), and the knowledge that it contains the names of pagan gods. (Tammuz, for example).
3.In another example, many other Messianic congregations want strictly controlled worship: no singing from the heart, singing "in the spirit" to the Lord, no flow of the spirit, just do some songs in an orderly, controlled fashion, and call it worship."
I'll address it point by point:
1. I would limit the pronouncing of the Namein common speech and stricly limit it to intimate prayer and worship. But that is the halacha that is followed by Daniel Lancaster and probably then the rest of FFOZ. The same halacha could have been found in the very synagogues of the very people who knew Yeshua face to face - I don't know. I tend not to think so, but I could be wrong.
Something like this would not cause me to separate from, or hold anything against a congregation. I will respect peoples' halachic convictions and not consider them inferior than me if they're either more strict or more lax than me.
2. The reason for this in the Orthodox world is because there is no official ordination of the Biblical calendar from a Sanhedrin yet. I find no problem with this, but personally lean toward observing the calendar as specified in the Torah anyway. But either way - being in most cases a day or two different would not prevent me from congregating with these people on those days.
3. I agree there is a problem there. And my answer to that sort of thing, including the daily prayers of Judaism, can be found in the email I sent to you recently about the Netzarim and praying the Amidah that Yeshua alludes to, etc.
Russ Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:23:00 PM
I have to admit that what you say makes some sense. I have believed along those lines for many years, but have not come across a group that does the same.
Most of the people we know are a mix of all that is going on in the transition from Christianity to Israelite.
Thank you for your straightforward presentation. Your zeal does come through.
P.H. Atherton,
"...although Shaul is referring to an obvious state of confusion the Galatians were under about how to be "saved"."
Right, and like I said, a goy who accepts Yeshua and begins the path is technically "saved" at that point - doesn't matter if he's circumcised yet or not. Only that the fruition of what he's being led to is full Torah observance.
You also said:
"Erm, pardon my ignorance, can someone please explain Ephraimites? I'm too lazy to look it up myself and this seems like a nice place to ask stuff..."
Haha, I hate "erm", no one actually says that hahaha.
No problem achi! Ephraim is the "northern kingdom" of Israel that split away from the southern kingdom which was called Judah (where Jews descend from) starting after the reign of Shlomo HaMelech.
The house of Ephraim is commonly known as the "10 lost tribes", as you probably have heard of.
-Aaron =)
Good to hear. The greatest thing I can do is only channel out whatever it is that HaShem puts inside me. I hope I do this well enough to please him, but I know I'm full of mistakes as well.
nazarenespace.ning.com
haderek.ning.com
Both are great places with lots of articles and discussion. Netzari Rabbi James Trimm runs and posts lots of the stuff on NazareneSpace, and Orthodox Netzari Rabbi Yehudah ben Shomeyr does the same on the other one, HaDerek(h).
I'm "Talmid Aharon" on each of them.
Anonymous Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:20:00 PM
P.H. Atherton... you asked who Efrayimites were... I will be happy to explain.
Have you ever heard of a belief which holds that the many multitudes of Gentiles (especially those who believe in Yeshua/Jesus) are really not Gentiles at all, but rather they are the Ten "Lost" Tribes of Israel.
You see, "Ephraimites" (and that's how people with this belief call themselves, including many people on this very blog) actually believe that they are the physical descendants of Jacob along side of the Jewish people.
Many "Ephraimites" also believe that the Land of Israel (well, most of it) rightly belongs to them and that the Jewish people who are currently they are not recognizing this fact (yet), but rather must be educated to accept this before the Messiah returns. When the Jewish people finally accept that the Gentiles are their fellow Israelites, then Two Houses become ONE (a.k.a., the Two House Theology)
But there's more: no only do the Jewish people (whom the Ephraimites hold to be only the tribes of Judah and perhaps Benjamin too) are not accepting of this at this time, they are actually occupying the land that rightfully belongs to other tribes (the ten "lost" Tribes - or the people who used to think that they are "Gentiles"). But "Ephraimites" do not want to push their rights to the land prematurely, of course - the Jewish people are not yet ready to accept them as fellow "lost" Israelites.
Concerning Gene's post,
I know at least two Ephraimites who are advisers of members of the Knesset. They also have provided Gush Katif refugees with outstanding support in many different ways. They reach out to others as well as a part of their organization. They are against converting Jews to xtianity or "Ephraimites" barging into the Land, shunning the Jewish people, and claiming it as their own, in a kind of Ephraimite elitism as Gene correcly points out very much does exist, and in probably the majority of those who call themselves Ephraimites.
P. H. Atherton Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:18:00 PM
Erm, Aharon, we say all sorts of weird stuff down under;)
Ah, the "ten lost tribes", now I see where we are. But Ephraim are not "the 10 lost tribes", per se, are they?
Is this all about what started with Jeroboam in the north and Rehoboam in the south (Judah)? When Jeroboam got stuck into idolatry the levites, and members of all the other tribes who wanted to remain faithful to YHWH moved south and "strengthened Judah" (2 Chr 11:14-17).
So this means all 12 tribes were still represented in the south, before they where carted off to Babylon. And the idolaters in the north got co-mingled with the Assyrians when they invaded the north in 722 BC.
Am I on the right track here or is this the contentious issue?
Sorry Judah for getting off thread!
A. Michael Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:37:00 AM
Still, no one says erm, not even you guys haha.
The house of Ephraim is the 10 northern tribes, yes, that is what it was/is comprised of.
And yes, it is true that a trace amount of every tribe is found in Judah - I believe that. However, the Rabbis traced the whereabouts of the hous of Ephraim after they wer exiled into Assyrian captivity. There were people such as Toviyah ("Tobias") who were Ephraimites that broke away from the trend and returned to the one true faith. His acount, of course, is written in the Book of Toviyah. And it seems the Brit Chadasha makes some reference to this book, interestingly.
It is my conclusion that Ephraim has filled many nations and I believe many of the people who are sincerely called by HaShem to Torah, who just know themselves as goyim, are more than likely descendants of Ephraim.
The book of Hoshea/Hosea is plenty of evidence for me about things regarding Ephraim and being currently lost in the nations. There are also things Yeshua said which point to it greatly.
Anonymous Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:00:00 AM
Aharon - you said: "I believe many of the people who are sincerely called by HaShem to Torah, who just know themselves as goyim, are more than likely descendants of Ephraim."
To be honest, this seems very subjective to me.
Judah Gabriel Himango Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:12:00 AM
Aaron,
Ok, so now I understand when you say the original faith has become known as Judaism.
I better understand that the Judaism I am thinking of is based in Orthodox Judaism.
That helps, honestly. Thanks bro.
Regarding the Ephraimites, here's one thing we do know, something that isn't subjective.
After King Solomon, the nation of Israel split into 2, as recorded in Kings and Chronicles:
-The northern nation, called the House of Israel. Also called the House of Joseph, after the coat-of-many-colors guy, and also called the House of Ephraim, after Joseph's son.
-The southern nation of Judah, containing Jerusalem.
Scripture tells us the northern nation of Israel/Joseph/Ephraim was taken captive by Assyria. They didn't return. The southern nation of Judah was taken captive a few hundred years later by Babylon. They did return.
Some folks who love Messiah, love Torah, and love Israel, believe they are descendants of this northern nation Israel.
Some Messianics, like Gene, despise such folks.
Gene wishes to paint Ephraimites as a fringe group of gentiles that wish to push Jews out of Israel.
I don't look at them that way. I don't believe everyone who loves Messiah and Torah is an actual descendant of the northern nation of Israel. That's unlikely. But I do believe with all my heart that those who love Messiah are grafted into the commonwealth of Israel, becoming fellow citizens with Israel, regardless of physical lineage.
Before ending this post, I'd like to make it known there are Orthodox Jewish (non-Messianic) organizations doing research into where the northern nation migrated and settled after captivity. Such organizations are promoting the return of Ephraimites to Israel -- see BritAm.org.
"Some folks who love Messiah, love Torah, and love Israel, believe they are descendants of this northern nation Israel."
Judah, I really doubt that the overwhelming majority of them have any love for anything other than the land on which the Jews walk.
Your own brother Aaron, in an unusual show of solidarity, seemed to confirmed what I have experienced myself all along: "...Ephraimite elitism as Gene correcly points out very much does exist, and in probably the majority of those who call themselves Ephraimites."
"Some Messianics, like Gene, despise such folks."
Judah... I don't despise THEM - I more feel sorry for them because they feel utterly fail, just as their direct predecessor, British Israelism has failed. I do despise some of their doctrines, because I view them as destructive to the Body in general (and in some cases, plain anti-semitic).
"Gene wishes to paint Ephraimites as a fringe group of gentiles that wish to push Jews out of Israel."
Again, Aaron, your brother who probably knows a lot more about them then I do confirmed that this attitude DOES exist among NOT ALL, but a sizable portion of Ephraimites, and I quote:
"They are against converting Jews to xtianity or "Ephraimites" barging into the Land, shunning the Jewish people, and claiming it as their own, in a kind of Ephraimite elitism as Gene correcly points out very much DOES EXIST, and in probably the majority of those who call themselves Ephraimites."
Judah, you wrote: "
Before ending this post, I'd like to make it known there are Orthodox Jewish (non-Messianic) organizations doing research into where the northern nation migrated and settled after captivity. Such organizations are promoting the return of Ephraimites to Israel -- see BritAm.org."
Please, this place is run by Yair Davidiy, a promoter of British Israelism and a peddler of books to the gullible Americans. You don't believe it's British Israelism? Have you even seen that website before you gave us the link? Well, check out this article on the site: britam.org/bkjoseph.html
Britain = Ephraim
America = Menasseh
This stuff is so old and ridiculous, it's frankly laughable that ANYONE would believe in this garbage.
Oye, come quickly Yeshua!
Todd,
It is subjective. That's why I clarified it was in that statement by using phrases like "I believe" and "more than likely".
Of course, I have no proof they are, and neither do they, necessarily. But it doesn't matter, because once a goy, a descendant of "Ephraim" or not, come to Yeshua and is lead to Torah observance, he has become/is becoming an Israelite.
This is really one of the main purposes of Mashiach, to return lost Israel to Torah - so all the goyim who are called and chosen to return to Torah (which are very few out of all the goyim - very different thing to do for goyim), it would make logical sense that they would be descendants of Ephraimites.
But anyone can join Israel, it is not limited, and it does not discriminate.
Judah Gabriel Himango Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:04:00 PM
Hey Gene. You said,
Now that's subjective, Gene.
And I sure hope that's not true.
The folks I've met and known for years suggests something quite different than the picture you paint: their love for the Jewish people and for the land of Israel led them to their understanding of a complete, reunited Israel.
You said you "feel sorry" for such people and have contempt for their theology. Your bias shines through, Gene.
I know a lot of folks who believe they are part of Israel. They don't fit into your ugly picture of them.
You mention there are some religious nuts among the Ephraimites. Yep, sure. There are also nuts among Messianics. And Orthodox. And Christians.
It's not British Israelism as much as you wish to paint it as such. The US, Britian, Finland, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, Wales, France, Holland, and Belgium are mentioned as possible settling places for the dispersed tribes, whom the book of James is addressed to.
One thing I find interesting in all this is the fact that Israel went into dispersion and never returned is not discussed. Surely someone, somewhere with some mixed bloodline is an Israelite.
Heck, we have folks from Ethiopia, Samaria, India, China, other parts of Africa, Britian, Persia, to name a few, who claim Israelite descent. Isn't it possible?
I differ with many of them, and perhaps you, Gene, by saying physical descent matters little. I mean, if we're grafted into the commonwealth of Israel, does it matter whether we're physical descendants of Jacob?
I thought we just finished reading that Messiah has given us both, Jacob-descendant and non-Jacob-descendant, equal access to God.
Anonymous Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:16:00 PM
"You said you "feel sorry" for such people and have contempt for their theology. Your bias shines through, Gene."
Remember the good ol' Christian saying "Hate the Sin, Love the Sinner":)!?
"You mention there are some religious nuts among the Ephraimites. Yep, sure. There are also nuts among Messianics. And Orthodox. And Christians."
Pointing to the nuts in other streams doesn't make Ephraimites' Two-House theology and core beliefs about their origins any less nutty.
"One thing I find interesting in all this is the fact that Israel went into dispersion and never returned is not discussed."
Surely you know that people in other tribes left the Kingdom of Israel and joined the Kingdom of Judah right before captivity? So, this would mean that all the tribes, in whatever amounts doesn't really matter, ARE today represented in the nation and people known as Israel - there's NO NEED to go looking for some imaginary Ephraimite Israelites.
"Surely someone, somewhere with some mixed bloodline is an Israelite."
Yes, while declaring that bloodline doesn't matter, you still insist on bringing it up - not only that, even a little drop, however mixed over the many thousands of years, apparently does matter to you, Judah!
"Heck, we have folks from Ethiopia, Samaria, India, China, other parts of Africa, Britian, Persia, to name a few, who claim Israelite descent. Isn't it possible?"
Claiming and historical reality are two different things. There are people who claim that they are Napoleons.
"I differ with many of them, and perhaps you, Gene, by saying physical descent matters little. I mean, if we're grafted into the commonwealth of Israel, does it matter whether we're physical descendants of Jacob?"
Who is G-d regathering to the Land of Israel today, Japanese? Who did Hitler/Satan wanted to destroy and erase from memory, the Spanish? Apparently in the supernatural realm, to both G-d and Hasatan it still very much matters, as much as you try to want to minimize it.
"I thought we just finished reading that Messiah has given us both, Jacob-descendant and non-Jacob-descendant, equal access to God."
And I will repeat again: each believer is equally loved, equal before G-d, each person and nation is different and unique in the way they were created and shaped, each nation and person is also different and unique in gifts and responsibilities.
Why can't I be equally LOVED and yet be different than YOU or anyone else? Does everyone in the Body has the same function?
Ahh, nice dodge!
You still didn't address the question - isn't it possible, even likely, that there exists descendants of Israel outside of the Jewish people?
Who did Hitler/Satan wanted to destroy and erase from memory, the Spanish? Apparently in the supernatural realm, to both G-d and Hasatan it still very much matters, as much as you try to want to minimize it.
Destroy and erase from memory...the House of Judah, the Jewish people. And the House of Israel.
I mean, the Holocaust was terrible for the Jewish people, but how much worse what happened to the northern nation of Israel -- having been taken captive for hundreds of years, then finally assimilating and losing identity. (Something, at least, the Jewish people have been able to resist.)
And isn't that precisely what Hosea prophesied? He prophesied that the House of Israel, the northern nation, would be taken captive and lose their identity until the last days.
What of that prophecy, Gene?
"You still didn't address the question - isn't it possible, even likely, that there exists descendants of Israel outside of the Jewish people?"
Judah... it's an argument from silence - nobody knows that but G-d, and certainly not the people who today boldy and without doubt claim to be Efraimites/Israelites today and actively promote this idea to others.
The question, however, is who G-D think is Israel today. The DNA tests done on the Samaritans show that many of them have Israelite descent, and indeed they THEMSELVES claim descent from Jacob/Israel. And they certainly have a much great claim than anyone who lives in Tennessee and claims to be an Israelite. HOWEVER, while this may or may not be true, apparently it wasn't enough for Yeshua - he didn't call them Israelite when he said the following:
"These were the twelve disciples whom Yeshua sent out after he had given them these instructions: "Don't turn on to the road that leads to the Gentiles, and don't enter Samaritan towns. Instead, go to the lost sheep of the nation of Israel." (Matthew 10:5-6)
Also, while still thinking about the above verse, here's a Samaritan woman's claim (not contradicted by Yeshua, BTW) that Jacob is THEIR father:
"Are you greater than OUR FATHER Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from..." (John 4:12)
If the Samaritans, who most likely have DO their origins in the tribes of Israel and actually called Jacob/Israel their FATHER to Yeshua's face, are NOT identified as the lost sheep of Israel by Yeshua himself (see Matthew 10:5-6), what does it tell you about Efraimites whose claims are much more ethereal!???
Seriously, can you Judah explain away Matthew 10:5-6 in the light of the above?
Fun ah?
can you Judah explain away Matthew 10:5-6 in the light of the above?
Oh, I don't know, Gene. Nobody knows that but G-d.
;-) (Sorry, couldn't resist!)
One simple explanation is: Messiah's statement was less about who is Israel and more about the lost state of an Israelite.
Here's the problem I have with your theology, Gene. It cannot fit with prophecy. Hosea destroys your theology.
Waiting for your fun response. ;-)
Anonymous Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:22:00 PM
"One simple explanation is: Messiah's statement was less about who is Israel and more about the lost state of an Israelite."
Hah??? What does that mean - didn't Yeshua just give specific orders to the disciples as to whom they should go, instead of simply commenting on their spiritual condition? In any case, he obviously didn't identify the Samaritans (who claimed Yaakov as their father just as Efraimites do) as Israelites!
"And isn't that precisely what Hosea prophesied? He prophesied that the House of Israel, the northern nation, would be taken captive and lose their identity until the last days."
Can you quote me Hosea where he tells of Israelites losing their Israelite identity, where it is predicted that they will not KNOW they are Israelites for thousands of years and think of themselves as Gentiles instead? I know what your movement's prophetess Batya Wooten teaches on Hosea... and I amazed that anyone takes her seriously!
Judah Gabriel Himango Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:08:00 PM
Gene, I think your interpretation of Matthew 10 is right.
(See? I'm honest with you.)
That Samaritans and gentiles aren't the lost sheep of Israel doesn't change that there exists Israelites outside of the Jewish people. As you note, Yeshua didn't deny that the Samaritan woman was an Israelite.
I told you prophecy destroys your theology that Jews comprise all Israel. Here's an example:
Then the LORD said to Hosea, "Call your daughter Lo-Ruhamah, for I will no longer show love to the house of Israel, that I should at all forgive them. Yet I will show love to the house of Judah; and I will save them—not by bow, sword or battle, or by horses and horsemen, but by the LORD their God."
The House of Israel will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol. Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days.
Can you, Gene, explain away Hosea in light of the above? I'm amazed anyone can take your theology seriously!
(I hope you don't mind, I stole a few plays from your playbook at the end there! :-))
"Gene, I think your interpretation of Matthew 10 is right.(See? I'm honest with you.)"
I knew all along that you were both smart AND honest - this proves it:)
"That Samaritans and gentiles aren't the lost sheep of Israel doesn't change that there exists Israelites outside of the Jewish people. As you note, Yeshua didn't deny that the Samaritan woman was an Israelite."
There is nothing in that text about her being an Israelite - she was still a Samaritan woman to Yeshua (and He told his disciples to NOT go to them, at least at first). You see, to be an Israelite you have to be part of the people of Israel - having a few drops of blood ALONE is apparently not enough.
While I view the today's Gentile Efraimites as only existing in someone's overactive imagination, even if there are actually people who had descended from Jacob many hundreds of generations back but mixed in completely with Gentiles over thousands of years, those people are no more the lost sheep of Israel than Samaritans were.
I am going to attempt to make a funny analogy here: let say that Jews are toy poodles and Gentiles are German Shepherds (btw, I like GS a lot more than poodles, but that's another story).
Let say you cross a Poodle with a German Shepherd, and of course you'd get something in between:) But then, you just continue to breed the resulting animal ONLY with other GSs (and avoid those pesky Poodles all together) for hundreds or thousands of years. After thousands of years, if you'll try to sell that puppy and claim it's a Poodle, you'll have a very hard time convincing the buyers:) LOL! Woof!
I don't buy your poodle:)
"Can you, Gene, explain away Hosea in light of the above?"
Judah, what does Hosea have to do with Gentiles in America, Britain or elsewhere claiming to be Ephraim and Manasseh?
But notice this: "The House of Israel will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol."
You're telling me that the Gentiles who forgot they were Israelites lived WITHOUT an idol for thousands of years/days? Sure doesn't sound like the Gentiles.
So, you are telling me that the House of Israel refers to the Gentiles who are really Israelites, and House of Judah, to the Jews? OK, how about the following verse with words of Peter speaking to the crowd of JEWS:
Acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the House of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ - this Yeshua whom YOU crucified."
Who was Peter speaking to? Was it not Jews?
"Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from EVERY NATION under heaven."
Jews, and from every nation to boot, eh?
"Men of Judea and all you who live in Jerusalem, let this be known to you and give heed to my words. "
"Men of Israel, listen to these words..."
Judah, I don't know... it seems that the "Two Houses" are built on nothing but sand.
Yep. Even if one is 100% descendant of Jacob, if you're not part of the people of Israel, not following Torah, not striving for righteousness or living rightly, not loving the land God gave to Israel, I question whether that person is an Israelite.
I propose to you that many Efraimites love Israel, love Torah, love the Jewish people, love the land, and give up possessions and family to defend those beliefs.
Gene, such people aren't our enemies. That's why I defend them.
What does Hosea have to do with Gentiles in America, Britain or elsewhere claiming to be Ephraim and Manasseh?
I suggested Scripture-prophecy destroys the theology that Jews comprise all Israel. I don't see you contesting that. Your theology of "Jews comprise all Israel" cannot be; it doesn't line up. So change your theology to something else; it doesn't have to be mine.
Gene, I have to call your bluff on something else: you are inserting "House of Israel" in places it doesn't exist. Acts 2 doesn't say "house of Israel".
"Gene, I have to call your bluff on something else: you are inserting "House of Israel" in places it doesn't exist. Acts 2 doesn't say "house of Israel". Messiah's words in Matthew 10 also does not say "House of Israel"."
You said: "I suggested Scripture-prophecy destroys the theology that Jews comprise all Israel. I don't see you contesting that."
The prophecy you cited speaks nothing of Gentiles really being Jews or Lost Tribes. I think I have contested that plenty.
You said: "Your theology of "Jews comprise all Israel" cannot be; it doesn't line up. So change your theology to something else; it doesn't have to be mine."
Thanks - I can have a pick of a bunch that also believe that Jews don't comprise all Israel (or even none at all), let's see what my choices are:
- Mormons
- Jehovah Witnesses
- British Israelism
- Worldwide Church of God
- Millerites
- Seven Day Adventists
- Insular Celts
- Native Americans (if you believe the Mormons)
- and I am sure many many more...
Thanks Judah... with choices like this, I think I'll stick with Messianic Judaism.
Judah, are you sure about that the House of Israel is not talked about in Acts I quoted (what Bible version are you reading? The Wooten Special Edition?)
When I look up "Acts 2:36", I read the Bible in Russian, Spanish, English translations AND also in Greek: as it's written:
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know beyond a doubt that God has made this Jesus whom you crucified both Lord and Christ."
The word for house in the Greek version is ALSO there: "oy'-kos"
So, am I correct again? (the only version that didn't have "house" is NIV).
Didn't look up Matthew...don't have time - I think the above example is sufficient. So, were you right or wrong to call my bluff?
Wow! Wanting to check back and see if anyone had made any remarks on my initial comments regarding Ephesians, it seems to me that things have spiraled way beyond the text of Ephesians and into things which are largely peripheral to Paul's letter.
I will just say that there is *a* Two-House teaching in the Bible, one which relates to the full eschatological restoration of Israel. (Even dispesnational commentators recognize that Ezekiel 37:15-28 is a yet to be fulfilled prophecy.) But is the Two-House teaching that has become so en vogue in the past decade, complete with people thinking that they can trace this tribe or that tribe, the Biblical Two-House teaching? Oh God I hope not. It has largely become infused with a great deal of urban legends and human agendas.
When we can learn to stick with the text, and place our emotionalism aside, then maybe we will achieve something. Right now the debate is polarized between a Jewish side that often fails to recognize non-Jewish Believers as their complete equals in the Lord. And on the other side are non-Jewish Two-House advocates who kick Messianic Judaism in the tuccus for not using the Divine Name, the Rabbinical calendar, and generally do not care about Jewish tradition at all--not exactly helping their stated cause of wanting "to reunite with Judah." I say the enemy has us right where he wants us.
I discussed some of this in my blog for today:
http://mchuey.wordpress.com
Gene, you were right about "house of Israel" in Acts. My mistake, I apologize. I was reading from NIV. (Maybe that was a mistake too! :-))
The prophecy you cited speaks nothing of Gentiles really being Jews or Lost Tribes.
Hmm. A prophecy of northern Israel losing their identity, then returning to God, returning to Israel with Judah in the last days.
And Ezekiel talks about us these 2 nations once again becoming one Israel in the last days.
Interpreting this in light with "Jews comprise all Israel" would read like this:
"In the last days, I'll turn the [Jewish nation #2] back to God and bring then back to the land of Israel. Then I'll unite them with the [the Jewish nation #1] of Judah."
Yep, confirmed. Prophecy destroys that theology.
I actually agree with J.K. here; there is certainly abuses in the Ephraimite movement. There exists, nonetheless, a 2 Houses of Israel in Scripture, for which there will be a final restoration and unification of Israel in the last days.
And I would like to clarify something: I am not a part of the "Ephraimite" movement, and I have never called it such. My identity is first rooted in Yeshua (Phil 3:20, et. al.) But I do believe in the eschatological restoration of all Israel, something which Eze 37 tells us involves Judah, scattered Israel/Ephraim, *and* companions.
What does Isaiah 49:6 say? "It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth."
Israel's restoration involves the whole world, something Messianic Judaism largely does not emphasize in its missiology. And why the "Ephraimite" movement cannot let God sort out the details is beyond me. We should emphasize that we are all His children, equal because of human sin (Rom 5), and that perhaps more is going on than meets the eye as the mystery unfolds. But I guess we can't be that surprised--theologically the whole Messianic movement is about 20 years behind where it needs to be! (With big changes up ahead in the 2010s.)
A "hands off" approach to some of this is much safer, and it is does not go beyond the Biblical text.
I discuss this more in my article "Revisiting the Two-House Teaching."
I will not post any more on this thread, as you all can contact me or my ministry privately.
A. Michael Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:04:00 PM
For Gene and Judah's benefit, "all the House of Israel" (regardless of whether or not it was in the quoted text) always refers to all 12 tribes.
In Hebrew, kol Beit Yisrael means all the house of Israel. House of Israel was used to describe all of Israel, especially when refered to as "kol/whole/all Beit Yisrael", and at other times was used as a name for the northern kingdom. We know this because of context.
Therefore, when someone says kol Beit Yisrael, they are usually meaning all 12 tribes.
On another note, I find it very interesting that the distinguishing between House of Judah and House of Israel has been since at least as early as David's time. And its interesting to see how the House of Israel rebelled against King David and the House of Judah, even at times came against them with many men, and were defeated.
Could David HaMelech be representing Mashiach here, and the House of Judah as Judaism? The House of Israel as the rebellious tribes who rebel against Mashiach and his true teachings and faith, in the form of Christianity maybe?
Just a thought, and if Gene is right, I could be entirely wrong.
P. H. Atherton Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:33:00 PM
Wow! Wanting to check back and see if anyone had made any remarks on my initial comments regarding Ephesians, it seems to me that things have spiraled way beyond..
Sorry JK, that was my fault.
I say the enemy has us right where he wants us.
Yes, we must be cautious. Ignorance certainly seems bliss, there are plenty of Christians who simply support and love the nation of Israel due to Biblical understanding, and don't want to delve into (what seems like) semantics on who-is-Israel.
Having said that I commend and thank all posters here for putting my understanding of "Israelology" up a notch of sophistication.
I have to admit I'm uncomfortable with the notion that "Jews" do not constitute all of "Israel", yet I understand the argument that the scattered northern Kingdom should still be considered descendants of the "Abrahamic covenant people".
On a less serious note, the notion that these Ephraimites may consist of Poms really lights my candle! I'm Australian of English descent ... I could be a descendant of Jacob! Whoo-hoo!
But, perhaps only G-d will know that.
JK McKee, I'm just working through TNN. It really is refreshing.
I have been from an Anglican background, (ambivalent on issues such as Israel or Dispensationalism v Preterism etc) to an evangelical environment bombarded with Left Behind theology. So you can see why I'm easily confused. Your teachings certainly do keep the center, I hope to learn more and impart the same centrist calm upon my home study group, while still getting excited about what G-d is doing today.
Don't the Rabbis have a saying about the Ark of the Covenant- that the cherubim didn't see eye to eye, but were focusing on the seat of grace?
A. Michael Friday, November 14, 2008 3:53:00 AM
You said,
"I have to admit I'm uncomfortable with the notion that "Jews" do not constitute all of "Israel", yet I understand the argument that the scattered northern Kingdom should still be considered descendants of the "Abrahamic covenant people"."
I'm a zealot for the house of Judah - the Jewish people, and for Judaism. And yet, I am not arrogant in that I reject a non-Jew to be an Israelite, as it Judah's mistake in the Master's parable of the prodigal son. His younger brother returns from a heathen life, eating unkosher food, idolatry, etc, and he is not happy about his Father's good treatment of his younger brother, namely, Ephraim.
That's not me. And that's not a lot of other Jews either. Has anyone ever heard of the b'nei Menashe? That's just one good example of modern Orthodox Judaism accepting the returnees of the house of Ephraim (which obviously included the tribe of Menashe).
There are genetic findings in certain small groups of people in various locations in the world who are proven to be sons of Aharon HaCohen. Among these include a certain African tribe in Zimbawe, I think. Others are white, others are whatever color, whatever race they may be. This isn't even just Israelites, I'm talking Cohanim!
Many of them have taken on the appearances of their surrounding neighbors. They may look European, African, Asian, or any other ethnicity. It doesn't matter though, they (the ones proven by genetics) are offspring of Ya'akov Avinu himself.
I believe in the Millenial Kingdom of Mashiach, the Beit HaMikdash (Holy Temple) will be rebuilt in Yerushalayim, and all the 12 tribes gathered back to Torah observance (the Faith of Israel; Judaism) and gathered back in the Land, and when we all come up to Yerushalayim at the appointed times each year, there will be a multitude of Semitic-looking Jews, as well as a black Israelite here, a blond-haired there, an Asian-featured over there, an eastern Indian someplace, an American Indian/Native over here. And what do they have in common? They're all either physical descendants of Ya'akov, worshiping HaShem, or they come from an entirely goyish background but have joined themselves to Israel.
Thus fulfilling the words that it will be a house of prayer for all nations. I definitely don't think that is fulfilled in there being Christians and Muslims and their holy sites alongside us and our holy sites in Jerusalem. Get the false religions and their people out of my Father's Land, out of my Father's city, and off my Father's Temple Mount. Let Torah reign supreme and Judaism established and known by all the world as the One True Faith in the One True El.
May Mashiach come and do this work soon in our days!
Patrick, you also said,
"Don't the Rabbis have a saying about the Ark of the Covenant- that the cherubim didn't see eye to eye, but were focusing on the seat of grace?"
Yes, the kruvim looked down at the Sh'chinat-El descending on the mercy seat.
robyn L. Friday, November 14, 2008 10:08:00 AM
Seems like the debate has finally fizzled out...Time for a new post! :)
Judah Gabriel Himango Friday, November 14, 2008 11:00:00 AM
Hahah, you're right, Robyn. :-)
I am for at least 2 posts/week. (And in fact, this year I have accomplished that and more.)
New post time! :-)
A. Michael Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:51:00 AM
Guess that means I win! =D
Hahaha, jk.
Anonymous Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:21:00 PM
I found this online and wanted to share it. Sort of a guide for debate within the Body of Messiah.
1.The God of Truth is NOT afraid of our questions.
2. Our God is God of the whole person: will, emotions, body, even our intellect.
3. God is seriously committed to truth--whatever the cost...as His children, so should we be.
4. Taking a person's questions seriously is an act of respect and love, even when they don't really take them seriously.
5. Distortion, misrepresentation, or deception through omission are unethical.
6. When we don't know the answer, we must say 'I do not know'...
7. If a sincere question (as a felt need) comes our way, we should attempt to meet that need through answers, resources, or encouragement to patience.
8. We are not allowed to be contentious or to argue for argument's sake.
9. We should be changing the shape of eternity, one conversation at a time.
Sometimes the best answer is silence.
10. Prov. 18:13: "He who answers before listening -- that is his folly and his shame."
12. "Slander" includes misrepresentation.
13. Chronic ignorance can become irresponsibility, and chronic irresponsibly can become a moral failure.
14. It is not a sin to have unanswered questions and agonizing doubts--you can raise more questions in 5 minutes than you can answer in 50 years!
15. It is generally dishonest to reject a belief which you have N+1 arguments for, on the basis of only N arguments against (all argument weights being equal)...it is also somewhat foolish.
16. Unanswered questions CAN be a source of emotional pain.
17. This is NOT A GAME we're in.
Anonymous Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:12:00 PM
By the way, here was the source for the guidelines given in post above (to give credit).
Scroll down to bottom of linked page. By the way the whole website is pretty darn good.
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/what.html
GraceHead Saturday, November 22, 2008 1:34:00 PM
That is really cool. Thanks for dissecting that aaaand putting it back together.
Ripening for the harvest,
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Education is universally recognized as the answer to socio- economic problems of the world. Nations and individuals look up to education to provide a cure for poverty, ignorance, drought, excessive rainfall, mental deficiency, joblessness, bad government, poor communication system, hunger and inadequate shelter among other things. Every nation of the world aspires toward quality of life and social status. Career selection is one of many important choices students will make in determining future plans. This decision will impart them throughout their lives. The essence of who the student is will revolve around what the student want to do with their life- long work. The choice of career has been a serious problem among the secondary school students in Nigeria. No matter what one’s age is, the choice of career or desire is an important question for everybody.
A lot of student in secondary schools believe that their future is a glorious adventures in which they are bound to succeed. Many of them have the idea that they would be able to work in the public or private establishments as soon as they complete secondary school education. Some have planned to become lawyers, engineers, medical doctors, accountants and so on. Students in secondary schools like many other young adults are always worried about what they will do with their lives, the kind of adult they will become. They are concerned about early entry into the occupational world and finding productive and rewarding places in and out rapidly, fast changing societies where wages employment is unlikely to be available on a scale sufficient to absorb more than a small fraction of the young people when they do arrive at the labor market. The conflict of choice of career among youths constitute an educational social dilemma in our society and nation .therefore constructive analysis must be made to this issue with a view to proffering recommendations and guide to enable youths to make proper decision of future career.
These constructive analysis lie within the environmental factors in which the youth operates or is domiciled. The youth are largely influenced by this environmental issues; so if not guided may be propelled to make wrong choices. It is the fragility and significance of these issues that stresses the importance of a research of this nature. The research shall appraise the impact of environmental factor on choice of career among youths in Nigeria. Education is universally recognized as the answer to socio- economic problems of the world. Nations and individuals look up to education to provide a cure for poverty, ignorance, drought, excessive rainfall, mental deficiency, joblessness, bad government, poor communication system, hunger and inadequate shelter among other things. Every nation of the world aspires toward quality of life and social status. Career selection is one of many important choices students will make in determining future plans. This decision will impart them throughout their lives. The essence of who the student is will revolve around what the student want to do with their life- long work. The choice of career has been a serious problem among the secondary school students in Nigeria. No matter what one‟s age is, the choice of career or desire is an important question for everybody. A lot of student in secondary schools believe that their future is a glorious adventures in which they are bound to succeed. Many of them have the idea that they would be able to work in the public or private establishments as soon as they complete secondary school education. Some have planned to become lawyers, engineers, medical doctors, accountants and so on. Students in secondary schools like many other young adults are always worried about what they will do with their lives, the kind of adult they will become. They are concerned about early entry into the occupational world and finding productive and rewarding places in and out rapidly, fast changing societies where wages employment is unlikely to be available on a scale sufficient to absorb more than a small fraction of the young people when they do arrive at the labour market. How the young people of today meet the problems of tomorrow will depend upon the amount of success they make in planning for that tomorrow. Planning for tomorrow itself is primarily the responsibilities of the parents, teachers and school counselor. Students need general orientation into the world of work through the curriculum. The choice of career is a delicate issue that requires caution and serious considerations. The kind of career the youths pursue can affect their lives in many ways. For example, it can determine where the individual lives and the type of friends kept. It can reflect how much education one will have and determine the amount of money one will earn. People desires from a career are different, many people desire high income; others want adventures while some others want to serve people to make the world a better place. Every student carries the unique history of their past and this determines how they view the world That history created, in part by the student‟s environment, personality and opportunity will determine how students make career choices. It then follows that how the student perceives their environment, personality and opportunity will also determine the career choices students make. The first factor in career choice, the environment, may influence the career students choose. For example, students who lived on an island may choose a career dealing with the water, or they may choose to leave the island behind, never to have anything to do with water again. Maybe someone in the student‟s life has made a significant impact or impression, leading to a definite career choice. Parent‟s educational background may influence student views on whether or not to continue their education. Someone they saw on television may have influenced the student, or parents may have demanded that they assume a family business. These are various environmental factors that would lead a student to a chosen career. How students have seen themselves in a role in which personality is a determining factor may influence a chosen career. Some careers demand that you have the personality to match the qualities of the occupation. For example, sales people have to be out- going. Splaver (2000) said “personality” plays an important role in the choosing of the right career. A student‟s personality must be self motivated type, as to investigate career possibilities from early on in their lives, and not the procrastinating type that waits till they are compelled to decide. Students must take seriously the role grades play in limiting opportunities in the future. Splaver went on to say “It is important for you to have a good understanding of yourself, your personality, if you are to make intelligent career plans”. (Splaver 2000, p. 12). Opportunity is the third factor that has shaped career choices for students. Opportunity may influence how students have perceived their future in terms of the reasonable probability of a future in particular career fields. The issue of poverty has played an important determining role in the opportunities available to all. The income level of secondary school families may determine what career a student chooses during a specific time in the student‟s life; choices that will determine a large part of that student‟s future. Some students will have to budget education according to their personal income. Thout (1969) addressed those in desperate needs, “Where necessary, these persons (individuals described as living under poverty level) must be assisted through special training programs to overcome educational and social handicaps so that minimum job standards can be met” (p.1). Students in many cases will need the proper mentoring opportunities to succeed. These support groups will be another opportunity that if properly implemented, can help a student in the career choice process. The creation of support groups will have to be in place to sustain the student through times of financial, emotional and educational need. There are indications that students take the path of least resistance to enter the tertiary institutions. If a parent had exerted enough pressure on the student to enter a particular career field and the student had no current plans, then students followed their parents‟ suggestion. Student should be thinking about career decisions in their senior year of secondary school. It should become apparent at that time that the student will have to do something. The environment plays a large part in a student‟s career choice. Students traditionally stay at home to either obtain education or start employment. Marriage also played a large part in career decisions. The economics of marriage either solidified the commitment to go on to higher education or stopped career plan short, depending on the stability of the marriage. Examples such as these are opportunities that can play a large determining factor in student‟s career choice. Other environmental determinants would include recreational facilities and articles the student has seen in local papers or on the television. The student‟s support system made up of parents, relatives, siblings, peers, teachers and counselors may be the most environmental factor. As we can see, there are many opportunities or paths to be explored by secondary school students. Secondary school senior students will have accomplished choosing a career if a complete, thoughtful, education decision was made, evaluating all of the factors possible in career choice process. According to Alutu (2001) career choice should be initiated as early as the nursery school years through the primary, secondary and to the tertiary school levels. Individual social status, income, lifestyle, choice of friends, mental and physical health is influenced by the type of work he or she does. In other words, a person‟s career choice plays an important role in his or her entire life. Career choice decision making is not an easy task, yet at one time or the other, individuals are faced with the task of making choice in career, preparing for it, starting it and making progress in it. This choice point is undoubtedly the most critical stage. This is because making a wrong career decision can mar one‟s happiness in life as this could result to career maladjustment. Inappropriate career decision made may spell doom not only for the individual but also the entire society. In view of the foregoing, the need to equip our students with appropriate Career decision skills becomes highly imperative.
The problem confronting this research is to appraise the impact of environmental factor on choice of career among youths in Nigeria. There exists a great conflict on the selection of a choice of career among the youths. Analyzing these factors would help profer possible solution to guide the youths in right career choices.
1.3 RESEARCH QUESTION
1 What is the nature of environmental factors influencing the choice of career among the youths?
2 What is the nature of career choices facing the youths?
3 What is the impact of environmental factors on the choice of career among the youth in Nigeria?
1.4 OBJECTIVE OF THE STUDY
To appraise the nature of career choices facing the youth in Nigeria
To determine the impact of environmental factors on the career choices of the youth in Nigeria
The study shall facilitate possible solutions to helping youths make right decision on the choices of future career.
It shall provide detail source of information on career decision choices for the youths, etc.
1.6 STATEMENT OF HYPOTHESIS
H0: The conflict of wrong career choices among youths is high
H1: The conflict of wrong career choices among youth is low
H0: Conflict of environmental factor s is high
H1: conflict of environmental factor is lo
H0: The impact of environmental factors on career choices among youths is low
H1: The impact of environmental factors on career choices among youths is high
The study focuses on the appraisal of the impact of environmental factors on the choice of career among youths in Nigeria
c) Finance: Limited Access to the required finance was a major constrain to the scope of the study.
CAREER CHOICE: The broad opportunities that exist for lifelong vocations. These vocations are set out in a framework of strategies moving toward personal goals.
ENVIRONMENT: The complex physical factors that make up our surroundings and in turn act upon us. This include the forces of family, political, social and economic issues that both typical and non- typical students may deal with on a day- to- day basis.
MOTIVATION: Forces acting on or within a person causing initiation of behavior or what it is that moves us.
OPPORTUNITY: Those choices in one’s life which are exposed either in a subtle or obvious manner.
PERSONALITY: A characteristic way of thinking, feeling and behaving. The personality is the collection of impression in the appearance of the student’s body and the impressions believed to have been made on others, good or bad. One’s personality may embrace attitudes and opinions that affect the way we deal with interactions of people and, in particular to this study, the situations of choosing a career.
PEERS: Peers are adolescents who are about the same age of maturity level.
QUALITY OF LIFE: The depth in the content of richness and fullness in our day- to- day existence. This includes observed and unobserved criteria that contribute to the fulfillment with our expectations and aspirations
This research work is organized in five chapters, for easy understanding, as follows
Chapter one is concern with the introduction, which consist of the (overview, of the study), historical background, statement of problem, objectives of the study, research hypotheses, significance of the study, scope and limitation of the study, definition of terms and historical background of the study. Chapter two highlights the theoretical framework on which the study is based, thus the review of related literature. Chapter three deals on the research design and methodology adopted in the study. Chapter four concentrate on the data collection and analysis and presentation of finding. Chapter five gives summary, conclusion, and recommendations made of the study
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6. PROVISION, UTILIZATION, AND ENHANCEMENT STRATEGIES OF MATERNAL HEALTH SERVICES IN ENUGU STATE.
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8. INFLUENCE OF PARENTAL DISCIPLINARY STYLES ON STUDENTS’ TRUANT BEHAVIOUR IN SENIOR SECONDARY SCHOOLS IN KANO STATE, NIGERIA
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Leonor and Ed Rivera dancing at the wedding of Emily and Stephen Nemeth March 14, 2020. (Picture courtesy of Emily and Stephen Nemeth)
Ed Rivera doing the knee dance at the wedding of Emily and Stephen Nemeth March 14, 2020. (Picture courtesy of Emily and Stephen Nemeth)
Leonor and Ed Rivera, along with their son, Jordan, doing the Chicken Dance at the wedding of Emily and Stephen Nemeth March 14, 2020. (Picture courtesy of Emily and Stephen Nemeth)
Keep dancing instead of sitting out
Leonor Rivera/Catholic Courier | 10.22.2020
Category: To Have and To Hold
Ed and I had a dance-off in college in a disco that was once a barn. He brought a group of guys. I came with a group of girlfriends. At some point, someone said girls could last longer than boys dancing. We all started dancing around 9 p.m. The place closed at 1 a.m. Ed and I were the last two left while they played the closing song, “Last Dance” by Donna Summer.
When I listen to that song now, I remember how much Ed LOVED to dance.
We went out dancing a lot before our sons were born. After they were born, we danced a lot at weddings. We created a formal dance called the “Lovers’ Ball” and made sure it included dancing. We took lessons. Ed would surprise me and twirl me in the kitchen. He would say, “Let’s dance” and pull me close, and we would start dancing. During the pandemic, he did this often. We would hug and kiss after and laugh.
Ed was excited when our younger son, Sean, took dance lessons in college. He said dancing helped him be popular in high school and gave him confidence. He hoped it would do the same for Sean. Ed’s first girlfriend was a senior, who asked him, a junior, to the prom because he could dance.
I have a video on my phone of Sean’s dance final exam. We would watch it now and then, and Ed would proudly take credit for Sean’s “smooth moves” and confident “swagger.”
Ed liked the words to the song “I Hope You Dance.”
I think Ed wants me, our songs, our family and friends to keep dancing. I think he hopes we don’t sit it out. I think Ed wants us to dance.
Leonor “Leo” and Ed Rivera were members of the local Worldwide Marriage Encounter community for 32 of their 34 years of marriage until Ed unexpectedly died of a heart attack on Aug 1, 2020. To learn more about Worldwide Marriage Encounter, visit www.wwme.org. The next in-person Worldwide Marriage Encounter weekend is Nov. 20-22 at Notre Dame Retreat House in Canandaigua. Or try the new virtual multiweek experience. To read more of Leo and Ed’s blogs, visit https://catholiccourier.com/viewpoints/blogs/to-have-and-to-hold.
(Photo courtesy of Leonor Rivera)
Facing fears, living life as planned after the loss of a spouse
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Couple nurtures marriage as if tending a garden
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Etiology of Hormone Receptor–Defined Breast Cancer: A Systematic Review of the Literature
Michelle D. Althuis, Jennifer H. Fergenbaum, Montserrat Garcia-Closas, Louise A. Brinton, M. Patricia Madigan and Mark E. Sherman
Michelle D. Althuis
Jennifer H. Fergenbaum
Montserrat Garcia-Closas
Louise A. Brinton
M. Patricia Madigan
Mark E. Sherman
DOI: Published October 2004
Breast cancers classified by estrogen receptor (ER) and/or progesterone receptor (PR) expression have different clinical, pathologic, and molecular features. We examined existing evidence from the epidemiologic literature as to whether breast cancers stratified by hormone receptor status are also etiologically distinct diseases. Despite limited statistical power and nonstandardized receptor assays, in aggregate, the critically evaluated studies (n = 31) suggest that the etiology of hormone receptor–defined breast cancers may be heterogeneous. Reproduction-related exposures tended to be associated with increased risk of ER-positive but not ER-negative tumors. Nulliparity and delayed childbearing were more consistently associated with increased cancer risk for ER-positive than ER-negative tumors, and early menarche was more consistently associated with ER-positive/PR-positive than ER-negative/PR-negative tumors. Postmenopausal obesity was also more consistently associated with increased risk of hormone receptor–positive than hormone receptor–negative tumors, possibly reflecting increased estrogen synthesis in adipose stores and greater bioavailability. Published data are insufficient to suggest that exogenous estrogen use (oral contraceptives or hormone replacement therapy) increase risk of hormone-sensitive tumors. Risks associated with breast-feeding, alcohol consumption, cigarette smoking, family history of breast cancer, or premenopausal obesity did not differ by receptor status. Large population-based studies of determinants of hormone receptor–defined breast cancers defined using state-of-the-art quantitative immunostaining methods are needed to clarify the role of ER/PR expression in breast cancer etiology.
Epidemiologic data, animal models, and in vitro studies have shown that reproductive hormones, particularly estrogen, play a critical role in breast cancer etiology (1). Certain established breast cancer risk factors, such as postmenopausal obesity, age at menarche, and use of exogenous hormones, may affect risk by increasing systemic exposure to hormones (2-4), a view that is consistent with prospective studies directly linking higher circulating levels of estradiol to postmenopausal breast cancer (5). In addition to elucidating the systemic effects of hormone-related exposures, progress in breast cancer research will require advances in our understanding of processes that occur within the breast, including hormone synthesis, metabolism, and protein expression.
Despite clinical, pathologic, and molecular evidence that breast cancers are heterogeneous (6), most epidemiologic research to date has viewed breast cancer as a single disease that is associated with a common set of risk factors. Recent interest has focused on assessing risk factors for breast cancers stratified by pathologic features, with the important goal of revealing associations that might otherwise be diluted or masked in analyses in which breast cancer is considered as a single outcome.
Estrogen receptor (ER) and progesterone receptor (PR) are the most widely studied markers in breast tissue. When compared with hormone receptor–negative tumors, hormone receptor–positive breast cancers exhibit stronger clinical responses to hormonal treatment (7), better differentiated morphologic appearance (8), and incidence rates that rise continuously with aging rather than slowing after menopause (9, 10). In contrast to many of the established clinical and pathologic distinctions between ER-defined and PR-defined breast cancers, epidemiologic studies that have compared risk factors for receptor-positive and receptor-negative tumors have led to uncertainty and debate (11). Resolving this controversy will help to clarify whether breast cancers are etiologically heterogeneous. Toward this end, we have critically evaluated published case-control and cohort studies that have compared risk factors for breast cancer, stratified by ER and PR status with two primary goals: (a) to assess existing evidence that risk factors for breast cancers stratified by ER and PR status differ and (b) to highlight aspects of study design, tissue collection, and analysis that should be optimized in future studies. Given the current explosion in tissue biomarker identification and the development and refinement of high-throughput techniques in molecular pathology, identifying approaches that would strengthen future studies is both timely and essential for advancing the field of breast cancer research.
We did a computerized bibliographic search of Medline (1966 to February 1, 2004; National Library of Medicine, Bethesda, MD) in the English language to identify controlled epidemiologic studies that assessed the association between risk factors and breast cancer stratified by ER and PR status. Abstracts were reviewed and copies of potentially eligible articles were obtained. We then inspected the bibliographies of the collected articles to identify additional relevant reports, and copies of these articles were also obtained.
Data Abstraction
Two authors abstracted data on study design, method of biomarker assay, and estimates of risk [odds ratios (OR) and relative risks (RR) for case-control and cohort studies, respectively, and their corresponding 95% confidence intervals (CI)] for breast cancer subtypes defined by receptor expression from all potentially relevant articles. Data were recorded in a database specially designed for this project (Microsoft Excel XP). An independent reviewer confirmed data entries.
Results and Risk Factor–Specific Discussion
Description of Studies
We identified 40 relevant published reports of controlled epidemiologic investigations of tissue biomarkers in breast tumors (12-51). Findings from the Nurses' Health Study (12), which were variable estimates from a log incidence model, were not tabulated but rather discussed. Omitted studies reported data on risk factors not summarized by this review (dietary factors, electromagnetic field exposure, blood lipid, and serum organochlorine levels; refs. 43-48) or assessed breast cancer risk only within specific subgroups defined by smoking status or family history of disease (50, 51). We included only the most recent publication (40) of two reports from one case-control study (40, 49) but included multiple publications from other study populations that reported findings for different risk factors or hormone receptor combinations.
This review presents in detail data from 31 published reports (1983-2004) of cohort or case-control studies and 1 randomized clinical trial (Table 1), representing 24 distinct study populations of which 17 were population based and 14 included both premenopausal and postmenopausal women. About half of the studies (13 of 31) assessed <500 cancer cases; only seven studies (representing six distinct populations) evaluated >1,000 cancer cases. Twenty-two studies were conducted in the United States, 3 in Europe, and 2 in Canada, Japan, and Australia. Among the 19 studies that reported stage at diagnosis, ≥75% of patients had invasive carcinomas.
Design features of case-control and cohort studies that examine hormone receptors and breast cancer epidemiology
Half of the reports obtained data on hormone receptors for at least 75% of cases enrolled. Assays and thresholds for determining ER and PR status differed across studies, with 23 of 31 studies using nonspecified methods or combinations of dextrose charcoal-coated biochemical methods (DCC) and immunohistochemical assays (IHC). IHC was the sole method used in only three studies. In studies that used a DCC method (11 of 31), the most common threshold for a positive ER or PR result was ≥10 fmol of receptor per milligram of total protein; however, concentrations as low as 3 fmol/mg were used to define positive receptor assays in some investigations. As would be expected (53), the percentage of ER-positive, PR-positive, and ER-positive/PR-positive tumors was generally higher among studies with more older women, with the exception of a recent hospital-based case-control study conducted in Japan. This study reported the lowest proportion of both PR-positive and ER-positive/PR-positive tumors and the third lowest proportion of ER-positive tumors of all investigations reviewed (41). Descriptive studies have found that hormone receptor–positive tumors are less common among Asian as opposed to Western populations (54).
Age at First Birth
Although there was substantial overlap in 95% CIs for risk estimates by hormone receptor status, the increase in risk associated with delayed childbearing was more consistently observed for ER-positive than ER-negative tumors (Table 2). The highest risks were observed among women with later ages at first birth, with risk estimates ranging from 1.4 to 2.6. Data from two centers that participated in the Cancer and Steroid Hormone Study (Washington and Atlanta) differed (38, 39). Data from the Washington site (39), which enrolled predominantly White women, suggested that late age at first birth was more strongly associated with ER-positive as compared with ER-negative tumors, whereas results from the predominantly African American populations enrolled in Atlanta showed the reverse (38). These data may reflect the relatively stronger tendency for African American women to develop ER-negative tumors (55) or a propensity for delayed childbearing to be a stronger risk factor for ER-positive tumors only among White women.
Age at first birth and breast cancer risk stratified by hormone receptor expression
Three of six studies assessing joint ER/PR expression found very modest elevation in hormone receptor–positive but not hormone receptor–negative tumors (23, 29, 32). Older age at first birth did not appreciably elevate risk of breast tumors in the studies that assessed PR expression (35, 41).
The reduction in breast cancer risk associated with parity was also more consistently observed for ER-positive than ER-negative tumors (Table 3). Although 95% CIs overlapped, the point estimates for ER-positive tumors were <1.0 for seven of eight studies (only two of which were statistically significant). Risk estimates ranged from 0.5 to 0.8, with the greatest reductions noted for multiparous women (36-39). Possible systemic errors in hormone receptor assays (see Discussion) may have attenuated risk estimates and the small size of several studies limited the statistical power of the analyses to find significant differences. Nonetheless, the point estimates suggest that increasing parity may reduce risk of ER-positive breast cancers. Larger studies using optimized methods are needed to clarify this association.
Parity and breast cancer risk stratified by hormone receptor expression
In one of two investigations, parity significantly reduced risk of PR-positive but not PR-negative tumors (35). Equivocal findings in more recent studies assessing joint receptor expression may be attributable to biases related to missing receptor data (17, 41), or the age distribution of the study group (29), many of whom may have been temporarily at higher risk of breast cancer because of a recent birth (56-58).
Age at Menarche
Older age at menarche was not differentially associated with breast cancer risk when defined by ER (27, 35-37, 39, 41) or PR (35) status (Table 4). In contrast, studies stratified by joint receptor expression suggest that ER-positive/PR-positive breast cancer was reduced by older ages at menarche; all studies showed risk estimates of 0.5 to 0.8 compared with younger ages (17, 23, 24, 29, 32, 41). Later menarche did not reduce risk of ER-negative/ER negative tumors in five of these studies (RR∼1) and the risk associated with an older age at menarche was similar for ER-positive/PR-positive and ER-negative/PR-negative tumors in one study (29).
Age at menarche and breast cancer risk stratified by hormone receptor expression
Earlier epidemiologic investigations suggested that breast cancer risk associated with a young age at menarche was more pronounced among premenopausal women, a finding most frequently attributed to recall bias (59-61). Three studies examined by this review further stratified their findings by menopausal status (24, 27, 37). A small study of African American women and a large population-based study in Canada reported that the relationship between age at menarche and breast tumors was more marked for premenopausal than postmenopausal women (24, 27). Thus, we cannot discount differences in age distributions as a possible explanation for disparities in findings among studies reviewed.
Postmenopausal Obesity
A consistent association between postmenopausal obesity and ER-positive/PR-positive tumors was identified in three of four studies (one cohort and two case-control) that assessed this relationship (refs. 17, 30, 32; Table 5). Risk estimates among women in the highest compared with the lowest body mass index (BMI) group ranged from 1.5 to 2.5 and increased incrementally with increasing BMI and reached statistical significance in two of the studies. No consistent increase in risk was seen for ER-negative/PR-negative tumors. As would be expected, this association was stronger for case-control designs (30, 32) in which body size was assessed at the time of diagnosis as opposed to assessment in cohort studies, which was generally done at baseline years prior to diagnosis (17). The Iowa Women's Health Study has also shown that postmenopausal obesity was associated with increased risk of hormone receptor–positive breast cancer, whether defined by ER, PR, or joint ER/PR status (15, 17). Findings from the Nurses' Health Study, which evaluated ER status after adjusting for PR status and vice versa, suggest that PR (not ER) expression is independently associated with BMI after menopause (12).
Postmenopausal obesity and breast cancer risk stratified by hormone receptor expression
Exogenous Hormone Use
Oral Contraceptives. With the exception of the Women's Interview Study of Health, which was the only study to report a statistically significant increase (28), we found very modest evidence that ever use of combination oral contraceptives was more strongly associated with ER-negative than ER-positive tumor subtypes (Table 6). Althuis et al. (28), Stanford et al. (38), and Cooper et al. (36) reported suggestions of a similar differential effect; however, the remaining studies that assessed either ER expression alone or joint receptor expression were inconsistent (23, 24, 29, 32, 33, 39). Although the risk associated with oral contraceptives is most strongly related to recent use, a relationship that is most marked among women younger than 35 years (62), time since last use was evaluated in only three studies (24, 28, 39). As expected, recent use was more strongly associated with breast cancer risk (than ever use) in two of these investigations. Nonoptimal assessment of oral contraceptive use (29, 32, 33, 36, 38) and inclusion of older women (32, 33, 36, 38, 39) may have diluted the strength of the findings across studies.
Exogenous hormone use and breast cancer risk stratified by hormone receptor expression
Hormone Replacement Therapy. Most investigations of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) stratified by hormone receptor status failed to report significant increases in breast cancer risk (17, 24, 32, 36, 38, 42). The Nurses' Health Study did not find an increase among current users but reported a stronger association of past use of postmenopausal hormones with ER-positive than ER-negative tumors (12). Two recent studies that have examined the risk associated with specific regimens of HRT [combined HRT (CHRT) or estrogen replacement therapy] and receptor-defined breast cancer have yielded statistically significant but conflicting results (13, 25). One study found that any use of CHRT was associated with a 2-fold increased risk of ER-positive/PR-positive tumors only, with higher risks for current long-term use (OR, 2.9; 95% CI, 1.8-4.8; ref. 25). The other found that CHRT was associated with similarly elevated risk for receptor-positive and receptor-negative tumors; data for estrogen replacement therapy are not yet available from this study (13). Potential biases related to both study designs (i.e., recall for the case-control study and the nonrepresentative population of women who enroll in clinical trials) may explain the disparate findings and more studies are needed for clarity.
Diethylstilbestrol Exposure In utero. Breast cancer incidence in a cohort of diethylstilbestrol-exposed daughters and unexposed women of the same ages reported that excess risk associated with diethylstilbestrol exposure pertained exclusively to ER-positive cases (14). This finding was of borderline significance and based on receptor data for only half of breast cancers diagnosed in the cohort.
Factors Similarly Associated with Hormone Receptor–Defined Breast Cancer
In aggregate, the published data do not suggest that breast cancer defined by either ER or PR expression is differentially associated with any of the following risk factors: breast-feeding (24, 29, 32, 36, 39, 41, 42), alcohol consumption (12, 16, 17, 19, 24, 26, 29-32, 34, 36, 39, 41), cigarette smoking (20, 21, 24, 29, 32, 33, 36, 38, 39, 41), first-degree relative with breast cancer (12, 17, 18, 24, 29, 33, 35-39, 41), or premenopausal obesity (12, 24, 30, 32, 40). Risk estimates for factors similarly associated with hormone receptor–defined breast cancers have been tabulated and are available in an online appendix.
Implications for Breast Cancer Etiology: Summary and Conclusions
Our critical review of 31 epidemiologic investigations revealed possible disparate risk factor profiles for breast tumor subtypes defined by ER and PR status, suggesting that they may represent etiologically distinct diseases. Reproductive factors and postmenopausal obesity seem to increase risk only of hormone receptor–positive breast tumors. Although the absolute differences in risk of hormone receptor–defined breast cancers associated with these factors were relatively modest and there was overlap in 95% CIs for estimates of risk for hormone receptor–positive and hormone receptor–negative tumors, the findings were consistent despite considerable variation in study populations, size, designs, and receptor assays. Therefore, in aggregate, these studies suggest that assessing risk factors for breast cancer subtypes defined by receptor status, histopathologic appearance, and other biomarkers may be important for future epidemiologic research.
In the majority of studies reviewed, increased risk associated with reproductive factors (delayed childbearing, nulliparity, and early menarche) seemed to be restricted to hormone receptor–positive tumors, with no appreciable elevation in hormone receptor–negative cancers. These exposures have been postulated to confer risk by increasing systemic exposure to cycling reproductive hormones (2, 63). Increased risk of hormone receptor–positive tumors was also associated with postmenopausal obesity, which probably increases estrogen exposure via different mechanisms (4). In adipose tissue, obesity is associated with increased aromatization of circulating androgens to estrogens and reduced levels of sex hormone binding globulin, thereby increasing both total and bioavailable estrogens (64). Although many factors have been shown to contribute to elevated systemic levels of estrogens, a relationship between high serum levels and the development of hormone receptor–positive tumors has not been established (65). In addition, the effect of hormone-related risk factors on hormone content within the breast is unknown. Limited data suggest that hormone levels in the breast may far exceed concentrations in serum, especially among postmenopausal women (66). Therefore, studies designed to measure both estrogen and progesterone levels in breast tissue and identify the determinants of these levels are needed.
It is unclear whether exogenous hormone use, which increase endogenous estrogen levels, differentially increases risk of hormone-sensitive tumors. Although the demonstration of a link between postmenopausal HRT and breast cancer risk supports the role of reproductive hormones in breast cancer etiology (67), only one study reported that CHRT-associated risk was more marked for receptor-positive than receptor-negative tumors (25). Large studies of postmenopausal women capable of detecting modest increases in risk and employing improved assessments of formulations, total exposure, and temporal patterns of use are needed. If anything, oral contraceptive use was more consistently associated with increased risk for ER-negative tumors, with less of an affect on ER-positive cancers. ER-negative tumors are more often diagnosed prior to menopause, a period characterized by cyclic levels of hormones and periods of sustained elevation during pregnancy. In contrast to a factor such as postmenopausal obesity, which may produce mainly sustained high levels of estrogen, understanding hormonal exposures and their possible relationship to premenopausal breast cancer risk seems exceedingly complex and poorly understood. Nonetheless, the higher frequency of ER-negative tumors among women who are young (52), African American (55), or BRCA1 carriers (68) suggests an etiologic role for genetic factors in these tumors and raises the possibility that the association between oral contraceptive use and receptor-negative tumors may reflect residual confounding related to age at diagnosis.
A positive family history of breast cancer and alcohol consumption seem to increase risk for ER-positive and negative tumors similarly. The increased risk associated with a positive family history may reflect many different heritable factors, some of which affect risk for ER-positive tumors and others for ER-negative tumors. Identification of families with multiple affected members whose tumors show concordant receptor expression may permit the elucidation of specific mechanisms that distinguish receptor-positive from receptor-negative cancers. Similarly, the diverse and complex biochemical effects of alcohol consumption could result in risk elevations for both receptor categories.
The lack of associations between smoking and premenopausal obesity with tumor receptor status might be predictable; the former may be unrelated to risk (69) and the latter is only modestly protective (70). Similarly, detection of associations between breast-feeding and receptor status is limited by the modest risks associated with short-term lactation, which predominates in developed nations (71). Although the lack of statistically significant findings pervasive among these studies may be real, they may also be a result of low power due to the small numbers of cases within strata defined by hormone receptor status, particularly among hormone receptor–negative tumors that constitute a minority of breast cancers diagnosed.
Use of nonstandardized, suboptimal hormone receptor assays in reported studies may have spuriously weakened or obscured associations between risk factors and breast cancer subtypes. Reported studies have generally relied on results of clinical assays that were done to predict response to tamoxifen therapy rather than to investigate breast cancer etiology. A recent survey of immunostaining procedures for ER expression in the United States found that over eight different IHC reagent antibodies were currently in use and that staining protocols, methods of assessment, and reporting varied widely (72). Different techniques for measuring ER and PR have specific limitations (1). For example, biochemical assays can only be done on tumors that are large enough to be grossly identified and sampled for testing without compromising the pathologic diagnosis, suggesting that small cancers may have been excluded in studies that have used these assays. Finally, ER and PR results have been scored as “positive” and “negative” although receptor protein concentration (in biochemical assays) and the percentage of cells stained and staining intensity (in IHC assays) range widely.
Competing proposals to explain the origin of ER-negative and ER-positive tumors include (a) the existence of two independent pathways of carcinogenesis and (b) the development of all tumors through a single pathway resulting in neoplasms that initially are ER positive but may subsequently be transformed into ER-negative tumors via epigenetic and/or genetic events (73). The tendency of most breast cancers to maintain their original receptor status over time, even following tamoxifen treatment (74), the distinctive age-specific incidence patterns for ER-negative and ER-positive tumors (9, 10), and our review suggest either that the etiology of receptor-positive and receptor-negative cancers are distinct or that they diverge early in the pathogenesis of these tumors. However, the fact that stratification of breast cancers by hormone receptor status reveals etiologic and molecular diversity does not guarantee that this heterogeneity is produced by differences in hormonal exposures. ER-positive and ER-negative tumors differ in the expression of many genes that do not seem to be controlled by hormones (75). Additionally, many hormones affect breast tissue in addition to estrogen and progesterone, and breast cancer risk may reflect the integrated effects of these exposures over time.
Additional studies are required to elucidate differences in breast cancer risk factors by receptor status. Although some investigators contend that joint expression of ER and PR is the hallmark of a “functional” ER and therefore the most appropriate comparison, the majority of studies to date have focused only on ER status. In addition to assessing ER and PR status, independently and jointly, future studies need to establish the magnitude and direction of the relationship between risk factors and breast cancer subtypes and to formally test whether these groups are different, which was done in surprisingly few of the studies we summarized. This will require rigorous epidemiologic designs rather than case series, which dominated early work in this field and is not summarized by this review (76-92).
Future etiologic studies of breast cancer should stratify analyses by histopathologic type and molecular characteristics of the tumors. Important initial studies include a population-based analysis of risk factors by hormone receptor status using state-of-the-art quantitative immunostaining methods followed by expansion of this work to include ER-β and receptor variants. Comprehensive investigations that correlate serum and tissue hormones with risk factors and hormone receptor expression and, ultimately, with molecular profiles may be possible in the future.
This work was performed in conjunction with a National Cancer Institute Breast Cancer Faculty award granted to MES.
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Accepted May 11, 2004.
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Angiotensin Receptor Blockers Associated with Improved Breast Cancer Survival—A Nationwide Cohort Study from Finland
Eerik E.E. Santala, Mika O. Murto, Miia Artama, Eero Pukkala, Kala Visvanathan and Teemu J. Murtola
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1Faculty of Medicine and Health Technology, Tampere University, Tampere, Finland.
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DOI: 10.1158/1055-9965.EPI-20-0711 Published November 2020
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Background: Breast cancer incidence has been associated with hypertension, which might worsen disease prognosis, but few nationwide studies have investigated the association between antihypertensive drug use and breast cancer prognosis.
Methods: A cohort of 73,170 women diagnosed with breast cancer during 1995–2013 identified from the Finnish Cancer Registry was combined with information on antihypertensive drug use during the same time period from a national prescription database. Antihypertensive drugs were analyzed in groups categorized by mechanism of action. Usage of antihypertensive drugs, statins, antidiabetic, and anticoagulative drugs was analyzed as time-dependent exposure to model for simultaneous use of multiple drug groups. Influence of protopathic bias was evaluated in lag-time analyses.
Results: In prediagnostic use, only angiotensin receptor (ATR)-blockers were associated with decreased risk of breast cancer death as compared with nonusers (HR: 0.76, 95% confidence interval, CI: 0.69–0.82), and there was an inverse association with cumulative dose of use. Postdiagnostic use of ATR-blockers, angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE)-inhibitors, beta-blockers, and calcium-channel blockers was dose dependently associated with better breast cancer survival compared with nonusers. The risk decrease was strongest for ATR-blockers (HR: 0.69, 95% CI: 0.63–0.75) and remained for exposures occurring up to 3 years earlier.
Conclusions: Only ATR-blockers were associated with improved breast cancer survival in both prediagnostic and postdiagnostic use. The association was dose dependent and supported by a biological rationale as a causal explanation. In postdiagnostic use, similar reduction was found also for other antihypertensives, supporting a prognostic role of hypertension control.
Impact: Inhibition of angiotensin receptor subtype 1 (AT1) could be a promising novel way to affect breast cancer progression.
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Large beast has killed ten sheep on land rented out by man called Allan BASKERVILLE
01/13/2021 Comments Off on Large beast has killed ten sheep on land rented out by man called Allan BASKERVILLE
COPS are investigating reports of a “black panther” on the loose after a flock of sheep were mauled to death – on the land of Allan BASKERVILLE.
It is said to have killed six animals and maimed four others so badly they needed putting down in Peovor, near Macclesfield, Cheshire.
Farmers fear the predator is the legendary beast dubbed The Panther of Peover by locals said to have escaped captivity to live in nearby Fox Woods for nearly 20 years.
Mr Baskerville, 83, who rents out the land where the sheep were slaughtered, told The Sun: "A gamekeeper saw the sheep and claimed a big cat had done it.
"Apparently there were prints in the snow and the injuries led him to believe it was a big cat.”
The big beast expert is understood to have ruled out a dog being responsible as the bite marks were circular rather than triangular.
He gave a report to Cheshire Police who said at the time of the attack on December 30: "At the moment the thought is very much on a larger predator and not as initially thought, a dog attack".
The force confirmed locals had reported sightings of “a very large black cat type animal” in the area in recent years.
Police sources last night told The Sun they did not want to speculate on the cause of the injuries and had retracted their initial post.
The sheep’s owner Chris Heath said: “Personally I think a dog did it, but the gamekeeper said the bite marks were consistent with a cat bite and not a dog bite.
"There have been lots of sightings of big cats in the area but I have never seen one."
Another local farmer said: "There are lots of rumours that a big cat lives in Fox woods, but I don’t know whether this so-called Panther of Peovor is just a big fox.
"A gamekeeper who has worked here for years claims a big cat lives there but I don't know."
Three sheep were mauled to death in nearby Marton on January 8 while 30 were slaughtered a few miles away in Utkinton on December 27.
Cheshire Police said: “It is not known what caused the injuries to the sheep and enquiries are ongoing.”
It comes as a stunned McDonald’s driver photographed a mystery “big cat” on the prowl in nearby Chester on December 13.
Richard Evans, 24, was riding his bike past a meadow in the town when he spotted the “enormous” creature stalking through the grassland.
He said: “It was prowling along the edge of the long grass then disappeared into the undergrowth. It was absolutely massive though, like nothing I’ve ever seen.”
He has since discovered there was a report of a tiger in the exact same spot in September 2011.
Richard was just 10 miles from Pontybodkin where there have been numerous sightings of the Puma of Pontybodkin in recent months.
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When Institutions Protect Powerful Men (Week 69)
This week we continued our coverage of a headline-grabbing L.A. criminal case, and a new Crime Story series. And we presented another client update from Stanford’s Three Strikes Project.
Welcome to our summary of the week’s events at CrimeStory.com and The Crime Story Podcast. (One quick request: If you like what we are doing on the podcast, please rate, review, follow and share us at Apple Podcasts, Spotify or where ever you get your podcasts.)
On Monday we presented Chasey Ridgley’s The People vs Daniel Masterson: The Protective Power of Institutions. Chasey’s piece continues Crime Story’s examination of the justice-related issues and implications of the the television star’s indictment for a series of rapes that allegedly occurred nearly two decades ago.
The story examines how the People vs. Daniel Masterson illuminates the challenges that society faces in its efforts to apply the law fairly and equitably when a powerful institution rallies behind one of its favored members.
On Tuesday and Wednesday, we continued our new Crime Story series excerpting Inside the Robe: A Judge’s Candid Tale of Criminal Justice in America, by Judge Katherine Mader (Ret.) which best selling author Michael Connelly called: “a perfect book: engrossing and telling at the same time.”
In Part 3 of Inside the Robe, Judge Mader examines her ability to compartmentalize her emotional response to disturbing sets of facts in order to dispassionately preside over the cases that come her way.
In Part 4, she examines situations where – in spite of her best efforts to remain dispassionate – her emotional responses can impact her day to day decisions on a case.
On Friday, we reported that Adam Foss — the former prosecutor, interviewed and profiled by Crime Story in July of this year as an advocate for transforming the role of prosecutors — has been accused of sexually assaulting a woman in 2017.
The allegations were made in a Medium blog post, and sent shockwaves through the community dedicated to improving outcomes for those who are impacted by the criminal legal process.
Also on Friday, we published Michael Romano’s update on the case of Stanford Three Strikes Project client, Gene McCallum, who was sentenced to life under the California Three Strikes law for breaking into an empty hotel room and stealing two dollars in loose change.
Romano relates that, since his incarceration 15 years ago, McCallum’s record of transformation has been so exceptional that he was recommended for early release by all levels of prison authorities. And yet The Los Angeles Superior Court peremptorilyy denied prison officials’ request that McCallum be re-sentenced.
The Court of Appeals ruled that trial courts must consider the re-sentencing requests issued by prison authorities more seriously and at least allow McCallum and others like him to present evidence of their rehabilitation.
Below we present Hannah Teich’s condensed curation of the week’s more interesting stories from Crime Story Daily. (Read Hannah’s full essay including links to the mentioned articles.)
On the criminal justice policy front: Pieces from Mother Jones, The Marshall Project, and the New York Times focus on the forthcoming COVID vaccine. Jails and prisons are virus hotspots, and public health experts say prioritizing incarcerated people for vaccination is a “common-sense epidemiological call”; but political backlash could get in the way.
In muckraker/watchdog reporting: The Wall Street Journal surveys the state of the pandemic in US prisons and jails, which, like much of the country, now face an unprecedented surge of new infections. A piece from Government Executive focuses on the federal prison system, where recent COVID spikes have exacerbated a dire staffing shortage. And The Appeal reports from NYC, where dishonest fear mongering about bail reform has driven a sharp rise in the city’s jail population – and, with COVID cases on the rise, created a very real public safety crisis.
In complex crime storytelling: A piece from the Washington Post explores how Samuel Little, the most prolific serial killer in US history, got away with nearly 100 murders over more than 30 years. Elle recounts the story of Kimberly Fattorini, a model whose mysterious death, after a night out in Hollywood in 2017, might have been an accidental overdose – or something more sinister. And, in a piece for the Harvard Law Review, Terence Andrus, the Texas death row prisoner who was granted relief earlier this year by the US Supreme Court, reflects on his case and his experiences with the criminal justice system.
And in culture/true crime: “We Are Witnesses,” a new video project from The New Yorker, presents a “rare 360-degree portrait of the state of crime and punishment” in America today. Louder Than A Riot, a new podcast from NPR, examines the complex, often fraught relationship between rap music and the criminal justice system. And New York Magazine reviews I’m Your Woman, a new film that brings a character from the margins of the male-centered crime drama – the wife – to its center.
Again, you can read Hannah’s full weekly essay and find links to each of the mentioned articles.
And finally, here is your opportunity to catch up on previous Crime Story Newsletters.
Thanks again for reading and listening.
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Chicago’s Equitable Transit-Oriented Development Plan is a stride forward
By Courtney Cobbs
Rendering of an affordable TOD by 43rd Street Green Line stop, slated for construction next summer.
The city of Chicago recently released its Equitable Transit Oriented Development Policy Plan. Transit-oriented development is high-density, parking-lite development near rapid and/or high-frequency train or bus service. The city defines eTOD as “development that enables all people, regardless of income, race, ethnicity, age, gender, immigration status or ability, to experience the benefits of dense, mixed-use, pedestrian-oriented development near transit hubs.”
The eTOD plan was mandated by the city’s 2019 amendment to the Chicago TOD ordinance, originally approved by the City Council in 2013, which required the city to study disparities in the TOD ordinance performance and propose updates to encourage more equitable development. The eTOD plan was developed in partnership with Elevated Chicago. An eTOD Work Group was created to engage over 70 stakeholders representing many city departments, community organizations, the private sector, philanthropic organizations, and regional nonprofit and governmental partners.
First, let’s look at the current state of affairs. An analysis of TOD developments approved between 2016 and 2019 revealed almost 90 percent of new projects took place on the North Side, Northwest Side, in the West Loop, or downtown. Where new TOD development is occurring, the white population has increased, the Black population has decreased, and the Latinx population has increased in some areas and decreased in others. These demographic shifts point to displacement patterns. In contrast, areas near rail stations that are eligible for TOD benefits but that have not seen TOD project activity have more residents of color, more low-income residents, and more residents with a high school diploma or less.
ETOD is both a process and a type of development that can help realize the vision of a city in which one’s health outcomes, potential to build wealth, or access to opportunity is not dependent upon one’s zip code or race.
The 2020 eTOD Policy Plan outlines a comprehensive set of actions for the city to take over the next three years. Recommendations are organized into three strategic priorities: Build the city’s capacity to support eTOD; Making eTOD required, easier, and more equitable; and embedding eTOD principles into Chicago’s citywide planning process. I’m going to share a few of the highlights from each priority area. Before doing so, however, I want to highlight the priorities of the work group that influenced the eTOD plan.
This chart shows the importance of different equity components according to the eTOD work group members.
One of the three recommendation categories for the eTOD plan is to build the city’s capacity to support eTOD. This will involve a commitment to cross-sector and inter-agency coordination, evaluation, accountability, and transparency. Highlights of this goal include:
Hiring a dedicated full-time eTOD Manager to advance policy recommendations and coordinate eTOD projects and programs.
Creating an eTOD evaluation framework and publish an annual performance report which can include setting goals and track metrics such as production and preservation of affordable housing; accessibility; public health and environmental impacts; and transportation and demographic characteristics of TOD residents.
Developing a strategy to leverage publicly owned land and vacant lots near transit for public benefits.
Standardizing community engagement requirements and practices related to development and planning projects across City departments.
This image shows important community goals that TOD can serve, in addition to equity. These goals were identified by eTOD work group members.
The second strategic priority, Making eTOD required, easier, and more equitable, will involve taking steps to ensure all strategies to this end will facilitate development in historically disinvested neighborhoods while avoiding displacement in neighborhoods already seeing accelerated investment. Policy recommendations include:
Applying a health and equity impact assessment to the development of eTOD-related policy.
Allowing more flexibility in permitted building uses.
Strengthening bike parking requirements for TOD projects.
Establishing maximum allowed parking while also working to minimize burden on low-income drivers.
Requiring parking to be paid or leased separately from housing in TOD projects.
Allowing shared parking to meet parking requirements in TOD areas.
Strengthening equity in procurement and supplier diversity policies to ensure small and minority owned firms benefit from new development.
Improving visibility and accessibility of transit signage and wayfinding accessibility for people with disabilities or for whom English is not their first language.
Preserving unsubsidized affordable housing within TOD zones, especially 2-4 flat buildings.
Developing incentives and policies to preserve and retain community organizations, small businesses, and other neighborhood assets in TOD zones.
Chicago is in the beginning stages of its first citywide plan in decades. The eTOD plan comes at an opportune time to incorporate recommendations to advance eTOD in the Citywide Planning Process. To that end, the following recommendations fall under the Embed eTOD into Chicago’s Citywide Plan heading:
Develop a process for the city and partners to conduct racial and health equity assessments on land use plans and zoning decisions.
Establish a framework for neighborhood land use plans that adhere to the goals of equity, resiliency, and diversity and recognize the specific opportunities within TOD geographies.
Prioritize investments in transit, biking, and walking in the Citywide plan.
I am happy to see the city starting to move towards spreading the benefits of transit-oriented development to more parts of the city and aiming towards an equitable implementation of it. The development of tools to measure the city’s progress and a way to publish the results of the analysis will be a crucial part of determining if we’re headed in the right direction.
During my first visit to Chicago as an adult in 2013, I very quickly saw the disparities in transit-oriented land use. I was happy to read about short-term implementation opportunities for the eTOD plan will be within the INVEST South/West initiative and the development of a comprehensive strategy to leverage publicly owned land and vacant lots near transit for public benefit. Time will tell how well Chicago will implement equitable transit-oriented development.
View the city’s eTOD plan here. Residents can submit their comments to etod@cityofchicago.org through Thursday, October 29.
Follow Courtney Cobbs on Twitter at @CourtneyCyclez.
Filed Under: Chicago Policy, Development, Policy & Planning, Equitable TOD, Promoted, transit-oriented development
Chicago releases first-ever equitable transit-oriented development plan
A new equitable transit-oriented development plan published by the city today lays out steps for bringing affordable TOD to all parts of town.
Spotlight on equitable transit oriented development at Elevated Chicago symposium
By David Zegeye | Aug 14, 2020
The virtual symposium focused on equitable approaches to transit-oriented development.
Too Much Parking Makes Neighborhoods Less Equitable, but eTOD Can Help
By Lynda Lopez | Mar 8, 2019
While excessive parking can jack up housing costs, affordable TOD can reduce transportation expenses for low-income and working-class residents.
City Plans to Expand TOD Ordinance to Include High-Frequency Bus Corridors
The first step is a six-month study to recommend the best approach, intially focusing on Western, Ashland, Chicago Avenue and 79th Street.
How Chicago’s New Bus TOD Ordinance Could Help Underserved Communities
By David Zegeye | Dec 17, 2018
By expanding the areas that are eligible for TOD to include zones around busy bus corridors, the city could help spur investment in low-income neighborhoods.
Why Affordable Housing Is So Important for Development Near Transit
By Angie Schmitt | Jun 20, 2018
What happens when you build housing around transit, but it's not affordable to the people who ride transit the most?
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1.0 – Labels aside, the music on Tracks is hard to pin down, is that part of your vibe as a dude?
I don’t think so. Maybe more now than the years previous. We started recording Tracks in 2010 and you could take one look at me and figure it out. Recovering hipster/pothead and you can bet the farm he started off in the suburbs. Is that what you’re asking? I have an aloof card that I can play pretty well, and I have, but lately I’ve been trying to shut that down; it’s boring. I don’t think anybody wants to be easy to pin down.
2.0 – It sounds as if Ancient History has, ironically or not, been a real organic evolution of sorts; how did it come together?
I met Jim Smith, Austin Lemeiux and Paul Johnson while managing a cafe off the Morgan L stop in Brooklyn. They were all regular customers. I got to know Jim because he recorded the final record of my previous band. He was also roommates with a friend of mine.
Paul lived in my building and we had been wanting to play together for a while. Once things got situated with Jim he was the first person I called and we worked out the first couple tunes in his living room.
I don’t know what this says about me as a person, but whatever, it’s funny, I asked a co-worker with which customer she would most like to copulate. She said, “The earl grey guy with all the tattoos that looks fucked up every morning.” That was Austin and I can’t imagine there being a better-suited lead guitarist for my songs than that guy. The next time he walked into the coffee shop I asked if he was a musician. He said that he was a guitar player and he listed Jeff Buckley as his first influence. We clicked immediately. The first song we cut was ‘She Gave You the Keys’ in a basement art gallery in Dumbo and it was just the four of us, Jim was behind the board. I believe we got it in about 3 takes and I remember us listening back and just being very pleased with what everybody was bringing to the table.
3.0 – Is understanding your sound as simple as the mix of your southern roots embracing the indie biosphere of Brooklyn?
I’m not convinced my roots are southern. I think, if anything, it’s the other way around. When I was in 4th grade I had a Garth Brooks tape and a Trisha Yearwood tape, but as soon as Nirvana showed up I was out. I’ve always appreciated a sturdy song and I’ve always respected country music for being such loyalists to songcraft, even at the expense of any significant experimentation, but I think for me it’s always been the songcraftier end of my indie influences embracing whatever genre has a documentary streaming on Netflix.
4.0 – How did you approach the recording process for Tracks?
I had recorded with Jim Smith on my last project and he approached me about wanting to record some songs without a full band. We put our heads together and decided to buy an old tape machine and record another record. We didn’t want a clock ticking over our head and we didn’t want to record in a sterile studio environment. That was it really. We were going for natural reverb and mic placement. We wanted to use tape and we wanted it to be warm and ambient. We didn’t want a band album. We made a rule that we couldn’t use a drum kit and we wanted to focus our energy on a song by song basis.
Jim found the machine he wanted and he drove it from Detroit to NYC and we just hacked away at it whenever we could. It took about two years. I can’t tell you how important Jim was to this record. He’s amazing at what he does and because of it he is very busy, so there were long stretches between sessions, months at a time, to prep the songs and figure out over-dubs.
5.0 – As trippy as it gets at times, the tradition of story telling seems an important feature to your stuff; to what other artist, or artists, might you attribute the influence?
Storytelling is something that comes very naturally to me. Anybody that knows me will tell you that I love a good story. As a musician I’ve sometimes felt that I should’ve spent more energy trying to repress the urge to over-indulge my personal experiences but still, love and heartbreak are not topics that I write about very often. On the three records before TRACKS there are probably only 4 or 5 songs between them that are about romantic relationships. When it came time to write for this record I just said, “Fuck it. Here’s all the shit I’ve been saving.” Not sure I’ll ever endorse such straight-ahead narrative ever again, not because I think the record suffered for it, but because nothing I have left to purge is anything that anyone wants to hear about. Regarding influences, I’ve always been drawn to the more subtle characters of Belle & Sebastian and Elliott Smith. I like songs that can capture ordinary moments and infuse them with something unordinary, but at the same time Pedro the Lion’s Control and Ryan Adams’ Heartbreaker are two desert island records for me. I don’t know, I have an undying admiration for Jeff Mangum and the words he writes. Lyrically speaking, I would like to adopt a more abstract state of mind going forward.
6.0 – What tunes on the disc are you digging most now that it’s done?
Hmm. I love four-leafed. It’s a song that had been brewing a very, very long time. My buddy PJ (Michael Poulton) played lead for the first half of the song. I recorded him in my bedroom in the middle of the night. I remember we were drunk and he was playing slide with a beer bottle. It’s one of the few songs that isn’t about a female. And it’s fun to play. Clover Honey is a sentimental favorite. I love Austin’s guitar on that one, when it hits the high note halfway through. He nailed it in one take. We were working on Subway Dream and I remember telling Jim that I didn’t want lead guitar on the song. He said ok, then Austin gave me some weed and I went to smoke in the hall. When I came back Jim and Austin had finished Austin’s guitar part: that warm, burning distortion that just rolls through the song until it spikes into the breakdown. Jim just smiled at me. It took them five minutes and it made the song.
7.0 – How do songs come to you: more as ideas or feelings that lead to ideas?
Lyrics are always last. Melody happens when it happens. The riff is always first, the progression, the picking pattern, whatever. The initial musical idea is what puts the key into the ignition. To turn the engine you’ve got to grab that change, that switch from verse to chorus or chorus to bridge or whatever. That’s what excites me. Great changes. When it comes to lyrics, I draw from the past, which is something I hate about myself. I wish I could lose the documentarian in me and endorse a sense of fiction, but I find it very difficult to separate myself from what I’m writing, especially if I’m gonna be asked to sing the words over and over again. I’m still trying though.
8.0 – What was your favorite 3 records in high school?
I grew up in Phoenix, Arizona. It is not a very culturally diverse place. If you were in your early teens in the late nineties in Phoenix you didn’t have a lot of access to underground music. Thankfully, there were a few people that knew how to find it and they ended up saving me my junior and senior year, but early high school was alot of Weezer. Pinkerton changed my life. Other than that my buddies and I listened to whatever radio hits we heard on the bus ride to school.
I was working as a prep cook in Scottsdale when I was 16 and one of the line cooks gave me Modest Mouse’s Lonesome Crowded West and Jimmy Eat World’s Clarity. It took me a while to absorb Modest Mouse but Jimmy Eat Word, being from Phoenix, was instant love. They were a favorite for sure. Modest Mouse, Elliott Smith and Neutral Milk Hotel were all bands that I listened to in high school but they didn’t really do their damage until I left home. I remember the line cook saying that he listened to ’emo’ music. That was in 1998 and I had never heard the word ’emo’ before. It sounded exotic! It opened my eyes and got me searching for music, as opposed to just buying whatever I heard on the radio.
So yeah, my favorites in high school were Weezer’s Pinkerton, Jimmy Eat World’s Clarity and probably the second Weakerthans LP. A buddy introduced me to Left and Leaving right when it dropped and for years it never left my side. My first week of college was 9/11 and I remember being in my car driving to community college when the first tower fell, and ‘Everything Must Go!’ was on the stereo. Since then ‘Left and Leaving’ has always reminded me of good ol’ high school and pre-9/11 America.
9.0 – What was the first concert you ever attended? did it leave any lasting impression on you today?
I wish I had scalped my tickets. My second concert was Rancid opening for Garbage and Smashing Pumpkins and I wish that was my first concert. My first show was important though.
Earlier I talked about my love for songs with good musical changes; the first concert I ever went to was Cheap Trick opening for Meatloaf at what used to be America West Arena in Phoenix. I’m not sure I’ve ever said this out loud, but I remember watching Cheap Trick play ‘The Flame’ and I remember the changes in that song blowing my mind. First when he breaks into the ‘i’m going crazy/losing sleep’ part, then the way it pounds into the ‘wherever you go’ part. I fucking loved it.
As you can probably guess, I’m a sucker for ballads. “The Flame” really got me, the way the parts worked together to form these really heavy moments. Those are the moments I look for in music. Those are the moments I want to create because those are the moments that can change the way a person feels.
10.0 – If you were Grammy level stars what you tour stage design look like?
Whoa. No clue. But pyrotechnics for sure.
March 6, 2013 June 10, 2015 CHICAGO 'N BEYONDBrooklyn, Cheap Trick, Folk, Garbage, Grammy, indie, Jim Smith, Meatloaf, Pumpkins, reverb, Ryan Adams, Trisha Yearwood, WeezerLeave a comment
1.0 – What’s your favorite thing about the new disc People And Places ?
The fact that I think it’s my best work yet and that each song has its’ own sound to it. I used 4 different drummers, and that makes a difference to the basic feel of the songs.
2.0 – So it’s not true you play all the instruments on it?
No…I do almost all of the guitars and singing. I love over-dubbing guitars and vocals! I played bass on 2 songs, and some percussion.
I play 3 different ukuleles on the song “Whatever Happened” and bass. Joel Patterson played pedal steel on “Same Ol We”
Jacky Dustin from the August sang harmony on that song. The drummers are Brad Elvis, Mike Zelenko, Jim Barclay and Tommi Zender. Carolyn Engelmann played piano and she sang on some backrounds with me. Chuck Bontrager played violin and violas – Martha Larson played cello on “My Old Records”.
3.0 – Are all the tracks new or some oldies looking for their 5 minutes?
These songs were all new songs written for this record, except for “Broken baby Doll House”– that one was around for awhile, 2 songs were written as I was wrapping the album up: the last song “Parting For Awhile” was a tribute to my dear friend Carlos Hernandez-Gomez ,who had recently passed away from cancer, He was a Political reporter for CLTV and a huge music fan. I also wrote “National 36” days before we recorded that – we barely knew it when we went in to do it-its a simple rocker so I like that its a bit loose.
4.0 – Did you have a sound in mind before you began recording or did it evolve?
I intended each track to sound different than the next- using different instruments and overall approach to the sound – I wanted this to stand out from my previous records. Its natural to fall into a comfort zone, and to stay with what you do best – or to keep “your sound’ going – I wanted to change that, and I think I succeeded.
5.0 – There are some cinematic feeling pop passages as per usual but also some Nashville twang creeping in too, yeah?
I have come a long way as a musician – and i did try to show that off a bit. The Nashville thing has always been a part of me, I grew up listening to country music, I just never really incorporated it in my own songs-so I really went for it with ‘Same Ol We” Even the lyrics are country-like, and having Joel on pedal steel and Jacky on harmony vocals really pushed it all the way. As for cinematic- I did a cd years ago called ‘Juliet Foster” which followed story-line (I called it a film soundtrack, though there wasnt a film) so I do write that way at times. The songs “Whatever happened To” and “Sorry About the Accordian Jill” sound like movie songs, and I wanted it that way. They are also the 2 songs on the album without drums.
6.0 – What do you find most rewarding these days: writing, singing, or playing live?
I’d say singing first – because though I always had a certain sound ( poppy-and from the Beatle/60’s school) I never recorded with much soul and recklessness- which I do live pretty well. I am very experienced and natural at singing and stacking harmonies- but I still think my best singing is when I sing live. I have a richer voice now than I used to- and alot of years of doing it so I’m a very confident singer on stage and I think it comes through more these days. I‘m also a much better guitarist these days-so i love playing guitar live. Writing is still fun, but I’ve been doing it since I was 17 years old and it feels like work sometimes, and kinda normal-so its nowhere near as fun for me as playing live.
7.0 – Is there a seminal moment in your life that got you officially hooked on rock & roll?
I loved music as a child- my mom bought me Beatles and Monkees records, and I listened to country music with my dad
and anything they listened to, and I was glued to the radio….one memory that got me really hooked to rock n roll was this:
2 doors away from my house (I was around 9 years old) there was a family whose oldest brother played bass in a band –
they’d practice in their basement and you could hear it from my backyard. I snuck over there one day, and actually walked in on their practice and just stood there watching as they jammed – it was loud and exciting and I knew I wanted to be in a band right there and then!
8.0 – If there is time for nostalgia…..what is your all-time favorite Chicago rock n roll moment?
I went to the Granada Theater in 1980 w my best friend and band mate (in my first band, the Fleas) to see Cheap Trick. The opener was Off Broadway. We had great seats and I remember that show really grabbed me – it was great and it really inspired me. It was cool to see that these new bands (at the time) were so 60’s influenced, it made me feel like we were on the right track, and I was always a huge fan of that eras power pop bands. I hated all those hair bands and metal and guitarists who played as fast as they can – so this was refreshing and inspiring.
9.0 – what advice would I offer to young players who show promise?
To work hard. Improve your craft. Don’t be lazy.
10.0 – As the 2012 apocalypse approaches you tuck a few artifacts in an iron drum for posterity: what items have you included?
Maybe some lyric sheets I’d written down of an old song I wanted to do – handwritten, because now guys have ipods on their mic-stands, I still hand-write my notes and lyrics! Some flat-wound guitar strings (nobody uses them anymore, I do!) and the guitar pick I caught from that Granada show flung at me by Rick Nielsen!!!!
December 16, 2012 June 10, 2015 CHICAGO 'N BEYOND& BEYOND, Beatles, Brad Elvis, Carlos Hernandez-Gomez, Carolyn Engelmann, Cheap Trick, Jim Barclay, Joel Patterson, Martha Larson, Midwest, Mike Zelenko, Monkees, Rick Nielsen, rock & roll, Tommi ZenderLeave a comment
1.0 – It strikes me that the title to your latest CD, “On Display”, kinda sums up your approach; in your face. Is that fair?
That’s fair. When we play or people here the music I want it to be noticed. Love it or hate it, but not background noise you can ignore.
2.0 – One may hear more New York or Detroit than Chicago in your rock, who are your musical heroes?
Good ear you have. Big influences, The New York Dolls, The Ramones (70’s NYC punk in general), Stooges, MC5, Bowie, T Rex and coming back home the earliest influence is still Cheap Trick. The city of Chicago is a big influence. I love my hometown, the city and it’s music and people keep inspiring me.
3.0 – What track on the new disc are folks reacting to most? Is it your favorite too?
“Laser Beam Precision” gets people dancing, always a good sign. “O” is another one of my favorites; it’s all drama and suited for the stage (like me).
4.0 – How do you write? does it start with a riff most often?
That varies. Sometimes I strum some chords or play a riff and build from there. Other times I have a phrase that is a great opening line or chorus hook and figure out how to build on that and add the music
5.0 – Who is playing and singing on the disc and what are your guys plans as a band?
On the record, Me-vocals & guitar, Lauren Kurtz-vocals, Brian Chinino-drums, Chris Geisler-bass with guests Ed Anderson(Backyard Tire Fire)-guitar, Aaron Lee Tasjan(Madison Square Gardeners)-guitar, Vee Sonnets(The Sonnets)-keys & guitar. Produced By Tony SanFilippo. Live we have Christopher Elam on lead guitar.
The record recently came out online and we should be receiving the LP’s soon, so we plan on playing as much as we can, wherever we can. Hoping to hit NYC again before the end of the year and possibly down to SXSW in the spring. Also trying to figure out how to get someone to pay for to go play in Europe.
6.0 – When did you settle on the moniker “The Artist Formally Known As Vince”? Do you feel it affords you more freedom to not be ‘Vince’?
I’ve had the name since the mid 90’s. I needed a name to put on a flyer for a solo show around the same time the other guy, whose name rhymes with mine, was using formerly and a symbol. Thought it would be funny yet a homage to one of my favorite musicians. I quickly made the adjustment to “Formally”, I liked the play on words, and it stuck. So I have actually stayed Vince all these years!
7.0 – What is the best guitar ever made for rock & roll and what is your favorite stage guitar?
I am partial to Les Paul’s especially Junior’s.
On stage I tend to play a Gibson Flying V that I had customized with a single vintage P-90 so it sounds like my Junior.
8.0 – Do you still believe in radio?
I do. I still listen to it in the van. I think you can still find new music on radio but you need to go to the college and community stations or listen to specialty shows on commercial radio to hear the interesting new music.
9.0 – Any new Chicago clubs or bars area rockers should check out?
LiveWire, is a cool new small rock club. It’s in my neighborhood, Avondale. A couple musician friends of mine run it. They like the Rock N Roll music. I love playing there. Late Bar is great for late night drinks. If out on a Tuesday night stop by Lucky Number, I sling the drinks and pick the tunes.
10.0 – It’s your ‘Dream Gig’…… who are you opening for? when? where and why?
If I dream it would be going back in time to downtown NYC to open for The New York Dolls at Max’s Kansas City or The Ramones at CBGB’s, I think we would fit in the glam and early punk days, or close to home and open for Cheap Trick at The Brat Stop. Even these day I dream of opening for Cheap Trick or The Dolls anywhere anytime.
September 9, 2011 July 1, 2015 CHICAGO 'N BEYOND& BEYOND, Cheap Trick, David Bowie, Detroit, garage rock, Iggy & The Stooges, LiveWire Club, MC5, New York, New York Dolls, Power Pop, punk, rock, T Rex, The RamonesLeave a comment
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Ryan Boyce Corey Allen Jose Alvarado Michael Devoe Kane Williams Bubba Parham Moses Wright Justin Roberts Collin Moore Eliel Nsoseme Sports College basketball Basketball College sports Men's college basketball Men's basketball Men's sports
Georgia State Sun Belt Georgia Tech ACC
Roberts, Allen pace Georgia State's 4 OT win over Jackets
By GEORGE HENRY - Nov. 26, 2020 01:44 AM EST
Georgia Tech head coach Josh Pastner wears a face shield while coaching his team against Georgia State during the first half of an NCAA college basketball game, Wednesday, Nov. 25, 2020 in Atlanta. (Curtis Compton/Atlanta Journal-Constitution via AP)
ATLANTA (AP) — Georgia State coach Rob Lanier wanted his players to appreciate how rare it is to play in a four-overtime game.
“During the timeouts, we were talking about getting stops and rebounding the basketball but we also talked during the game about loving the opportunity, loving what’s going on and enjoying every minute of it and continuing to be tough and sticking together," he said. “That’s what I wanted to see."
Justin Roberts scored 26 points, Corey Allen added 22 points, and Georgia State beat Georgia Tech 123-120 in the season opener for both teams in four overtimes on Wednesday night.
The game devolved into a free-throw shooting contest as the overtimes ticked by for the two schools separated by about three miles. They met on the Georgia Tech campus with a few hundred fans scattered across McCamish Pavilion because of the coronavirus pandemic.
Roberts helped seal it with two free throws at the 30.3-second mark of the fourth overtime, making it 121-118. Michael Devoe followed with a layup for Georgia Tech before Allen hit a free throw, Jose Alvarado missed a layup for Georgia Tech and Jojo Toppin added a free throw to end the scoring.
Bubba Parham’s heave from just beyond half court hit high off the backboard for Georgia Tech as the final buzzer sounded.
“We turned it over too much, gave up too many offensive rebounds and we fouled a lot but we showed a lot of heart and resilience and a great deal of togetherness, so it’s a good sign for us that we’ve got a chance to have a really good team," Lanier said. “I’m really proud of the guys tonight."
Moses Wright finished with 31 points and 20 rebounds and Alvarado had 29 points in the first four-overtime game in Georgia Tech history.
“My ankles hurt, my shoulders hurt, whole body’s hurt, honestly," Wright said. “We’ve just got to do recovery and get ready for Mercer Friday. There’s no time to mourn over this. We’ve got to get right back into it."
Georgia State won its first game over an Atlantic Coast Conference school in 27 tries. Eliel Nsoseme had 22 points and Kane Williams added 21 for the Panthers.
Georgia State matched its biggest lead of the game when Corey Allen’s driving layup put the Panthers up 55-44 at the 14:33 mark. Wright gave the Jackets their first lead since 15-13 with a pair of free throws that made it 72-70 with 4:34 left.
Both teams had a chance to win it in regulation, but Georgia State’s Justin Roberts lost the ball for a turnover with 18 seconds to go and Devoe missed a pullup jumper in the lane with four seconds remaining.
After an uneventful first overtime, the Panthers took a four-point lead on two free throws by Roberts with 1:05 to go. Devoe followed with an inside basket to trim the lead to 96-94, and Georgia State committed a turnover.
Alvarado hit a pair of throws to make it 96-all with 7.6 seconds remaining, and Roberts missed a straightaway 3 as the final seconds ticked off the second overtime.
The third overtime ended with Alvarado hitting one of two free throws to make it 110-108, and Collin Moore hitting a pair for Georgia State to send it to a fourth OT.
In regulation, Ryan Boyce’s dunk gave the Panthers their first lead at 17-15 at the 10:07 mark. Collin Moore’s fastbreak layup ended a 17-0 run to give the Panthers their first double-digit lead at 26-15.
Georgia Tech finished 339th in the nation with an average of 16.4 turnovers last season. The Jackets had 11 at halftime and finished the game with 22.
Georgia State outscored Georgia Tech 64-50 in points in the paint.
“I’m taking a lot of pride in that because I’ve got to be a better interior defender and losing James (Banks) really hurts us," Wright said, “but I’ve got to step into those shoes and learn how to rotate better and learn how to contest shots at the rims better so we can get the rebounds and start our fast breaks."
Georgia State went 19-13 last year and finished fifth in the Sun Belt, while Georgia Tech ended up 17-14 and finished fifth in the ACC.
More AP college basketball: https://apnews.com/hub/college-basketball and https://twitter.com/AP_Top25
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New 'Glass' Story Details Revealed
By Kofi Outlaw - January 4, 2019 03:06 pm EST
The first big movie release of 2019 is no doubt M. Night Shyamalan's threequel film, Glass. A sequel to Shyamalan's 2000s hit film Unbreakable and the recent surprise sequel, Split, Glass will pit Bruce Willis' real-life superman David Dunn against two powerful villain foes: James McAvoy's split personality serial killer, Horde, and Dunn's former nemesis, evil genius Elijah Price - aka "Mr. Glass."
Trailers for Glass have laid out a lot of the basic premise of the film, which will see Dunn pursuing Horde (as teased in Split's post-credits scene), only to wind up getting arrested and locked up alongside the twisted killer - a development that puts a spark of life back into the near-catatonic Elijah Price. Soon, all three men become the subjects of a study by Dr. Ellie Staple (Sarah Paulson), who believes they suffer from similar delusions of extraordinary or superhuman. Now, thanks to promotional tour for Glass, we have a few other key details to share:
Some nuggets from our chat:
- GLASS picks up a couple of weeks after SPLIT
- You will see McAvoy perform about 20 different personalities
- Never-before-seen footage from UNBREAKABLE will be in the film
— Erik Davis (@ErikDavis) January 4, 2019
Here's the breakdown from Erik Davis over at Fandango:
Glass picks up a couple of weeks after Split.
James McAvoy will act out 20 different separate personalities - much more than we saw in Split.
Glass will use never-before-seen footage that was originally shot for Unbreakable.
Those three details are each going to be respectively exciting for longtime fans of Shyamalan's Unbreakable saga. The unused footage could be really interesting - and hopefully helps fill in what transpired between Dunn and/or Elijah, following the end of the original movie. It's easy to imagine that Shyamalan had a longer epilogue to Unbreakable that was ultimately cut - but would now serve as a great interlude to the events of Glass.
As for McAvoy: he was the tour de force that held Split together at the seams, as each of various personalities that Kevin Wendell Crumb manifests was unique and dynamic in its own right. The second Glass trailer revealed a sequence where Crumb's personalities are each forced to the surface by a camera flash technique Doctor Staple has developed; in the short tease of that sequence, we a Spanish-speaking person; the infantile Hedwig; evil-mom Patricia; another female persona called "Mary Reynolds"; and some kind of "bro" type persona, all on display. That's not counting "The Beast," Crumb's final personality, which has animal-like superhuman abilities.
Finally, the fact that Glass takes place just weeks after Split confirms that former film's post-credits scene is pretty much a direct lead-in to Glass, and that a David Dunn vs. Horde battle will likely be the opening set piece.
Glass hits theaters on January 18th.
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The man who sent this news, the wireless operator, was alone with his instrument on the top of a lofty building. The people remaining in the city he estimated them at several hundred thousand had gone mad from fear and drink, and on all sides of him great fires were raging. He was a hero, that man who staid by his post an obscure.
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For twenty-four hours, he said, no transatlantic airships had arrived, and no more messages were coming from England. He did state, though, that a message from Berlin that’s in Germany announced that Hoffmeyer, a bacteriologist of the Metchnikoff School, had discovered the serum for the plague. That was the last word, to this day, that we of America ever received from Europe. If Hoffmeyer discovered the serum, it was too late.
If Hoffmeyer discovered the serum, it was too late, or otherwise, long ere this, explorers from Europe would have come looking for us. We can only conclude that what happened in America happened in Europe, and that, at the best, some several score may have survived the Scarlet Death.
Hundreds of these airships escaped to Hawaii, and not only did they bring the plague with them, but they found the plague already there before them. This we learned, by the despatches, until all order in San Francisco vanished, and there were no operators left at their posts to receive or send. It was amazing, astounding.
The two halted, the nearer to us standing and facing Sunbury, a grey indistinctness towards the evening star. – James Doeh
I was telling about the airships of the rich. They carried the plague with them and no matter where they fled, they died. I never encountered but one survivor of any of them Mungerson. He was afterwards a Santa Rosan, and he married my eldest daughter. He came into the tribe eight years after the plague. He was then nineteen years old, and he was compelled to wait twelve years more before he could marry.
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Posted on February 16, 2019 by coorgstories Comments2 Comments on Tippu Jayanthi… Birth of Mysore Tiger Tipu Sultan’s TIGER – Part 5
It was a sad day not only in the history of Kodagu but also by whole of India.
Finally on May 4th, 1799, while trying to flee likes an unknown coward, Tipu was killed by a stray bullet or by an unknown soldier marking the end of so called Anglo-Mysore War. While Mother Nature created a severe thunderstorm to cleanse herself of the dirt and grime of a monster along with chasing the last wisp of his Satanic Soul, cowardly British connoisseurs were putting their final act and touch of coating on to their Poster Boy.
An hurried burial with military honour for the limply body with a limp developed by falling from his legendary eight legs horse {sorry palanquin} along with his celebrated ornamental sword in Kerala. When a lie is told, too many arrangements are made to cover it up with meticulous preparation. Unlike trust, a lie black or white or multi coloured, it always leaves trace and shadow, no matter how smart or far reached the tentacles are. I am even wondering if they really found his body or buried a dummy in his place.
British were not only thieves but also seasoned liars who lied to the world for more than two centuries and sadly they got away with it too with the support of power hungry cheap politicians. The Kannada proverb goes “Kote shringara olage goni-soppu” (the fort is decorated but inside it all empty except few inedible leaves), seems to truly reflect the British mighty!
It is interesting to note that the residue connecting Tippu-British-Kodagu ended in 1864 at the Brampton cemetery with a cocktail of manmade religions. A cocktail of Kodava and Lingayat blood converted none other than by Queen Victoria herself, who also tried to play cupid between the belle and another brave community from North, a Punjabi convertee to produce a super offspring failed to materialize. All these drama leaves a question mark in my mind…. was Hitler’s experiment to breed that special Gene was any different from Victoria’s attempt to thorough-breed a super Tiger from the Daughter of a Kodava mother?
What the heavily Corseted Mother goose failed to understand the simple fact that Kodavas are Tigers not Ligers!
In my individual capacity I stand along my bygone sister-clan, the Kodava-mapilas in dignity who became the collateral damage of the whole saga over mangled ego, power, wealth and fear. Wish the situation was different then… then perhaps I would have not written this article at all.
However the narration leaves a qualified question on the European integrity over the history of rest of the world. It’s time to look at the real Indian history without the smoke screen and who know what lies in the Pandora box? Also I guess it is time for both French and British, to return the stolen treasures of India and apologize to India, along with the tail ended falsehood propaganda makers including politicians within India.
As much as I feel proud to be a Kodava, I feel sorry for Tipu for his ignorant sad psyche, for the Politicians without integrity who used Tipu as a crutch, for the British who took shelter to maintain their image, for the French who stretched their hands for Tipu’s crumbs and last but not the least the misinformed souls who worship Tipu.
While most of the world fought over the religion, in the name of the unseen God, either by hook-or-crook to increase the physical number count, Kodavas the original inhabitant of the beautiful land of Kodagu, without the bondage of religion fearlessly roamed among the trees, bushes, plants, grass and seedlings under the sun and moon, swayed over by fresh wind soaring like 100-D journey among the rivers, valleys and hills reaching to Cosmos. Their philosophy, their free spirit and love for motherland is the secret behind their bravery.
While I admire, appreciate, love and cherish Kodava ancestors, I want the other religious fighters to know that religion does not relate to mortal body. The real religion is intangible…. God has no religion and true religion is magical like the unseen blood and water of our body lay deep among the creases of our heart and in every cell of our folded brain waiting to be explored. Once you are out of the physical religion box, everything becomes tangible. Don’t be the instrument or collateral damage for anyone. Do it for yourself… find the sparkly light individually… in the depth of your heart under the deep mystery of mind.Stop fighting over religion and destroy humanity to fulfill the madness of another individual. Use your common sense… listen to your heart the most precious organ of your body which works from birth to death without expecting anything in return.. waiting to be explored and finally leaves the body and slips away …. Don’t use the bodily religion as the crutch to reality. The physical body with the bodily religion, slipping into oblivion just rots or burns or floats unwanted even by the closest of the closest. Don’t waste your time, spread or spreading peace and harmony in an individual capacity. Live like a human being. I often wonder what if, he was humanly and stretched his hand in friendship to Kodavas and sought their help to fight the British. History would have been different today!
Posted on February 13, 2019 by coorgstories CommentsNo Comments on Tippu Jayanthi… Birth of Mysore Tiger Tipu Sultan’s TIGER – Part 4
Finally Tippu took a larger army and marched towards Kodagu. On the way towards north of Kushalnagara to reach Kodagu, he saw large trees felled on the narrow, rugged paths and covered with thorny bushes. Anticipating a larger attack, Kodavas had created the obstructions. On the outer part of the path large trenches were dug. The dug up mud was used to create a wall from where the Kodagu people fired shots and arrows and managed to retract two contingents.
Then Tippu gathered the bravest men from his army and under the command of French man Lally, sent to Kodagu. These men with great difficulty killed many from Kodagu people and managed to defeat them. Then Tippu entered Kodagu with his army and pitched his tent at Uluguli santé-malaa. There he remained fifteen days. Within those fifteen days, he called the mukyastas of Kodagu and told them that he would rule the land justly without troubling the people and made oppanda {agreement} them saying they will not revolt.
At that juncture, {while Tippu kept the leaders of Kodagu busy} Jainullabdeen Susthri came from Bettadapura via Kushalnagara looting and set fire to the place, imprisoned and dragged the men, women and children to Tipu’s tent. There Tipu gave Susthri four contingent and loads of ammunition, food and ordered him to carry it to Madikeri alias Jafarabad fort. Tipu was at Uluguli from Ashwaja month three to Kartika shudda fifteen that is third week of October till November first week of 1795. Then he headed to Madikeri along with the army. Before departure the forest between Uluguli and Madikeri was cleared.
In Madikeri, Tipu pitched his tent on an elevated place at the eastern section. He stayed there for fifteen days. During that time he made the elders whomever he met to promise him that they will not oppose his rule.
{Tippu knew very well that honourable Kodavas never went against their words and sadly the Kodava elders thought him in par with them and failed to understand the cunningness of a greedy man from the street}.
But before Tipu reached Madikeri from Uluguli, most people from around and from southern and western nadus had vacated their homes fearing the consequences if caught by Tipu’s army and reached impenetrable hills and forests. Angered by this Tipu sent his commanders with men to all parts of Kodagu to catch and bring the escaped people.
French officer Lally was sent to the most difficult part of West and South cardamom male, Husain Ali Khan Bakshi to North Kodagu, Meer Mohammad to Bhagamandala nadu and Imam Khan and others towards Kushalnagara side. They were sent with the orders to bring the captured prisoners to his next camp.
Then Tipu left Madikeri on margashira shudda padya day that last week of November reaching Bhagamandala in two days. There after meeting and inspecting his men went to Iyangeri area and pitched his tent at the large field called Devati Parmbu*along with his army. When he was at Devati Parmbu, queen of Kannur {Cananore} Ballia Banu sent elephants, horses and other valuable items as kappa to show her respect. In return Tipu sent her an expensive dress.
{*Devati Parmbu is a large ground at Ayangeri grama near Bhagamandala. It is the very place where Kodavas backed by Veraraja I, the founder of Haleri dynasty had fought with Nayaka Karnembahu, in which two of my own ancestors were the well known fighters, Commander Manicha and Madaiah. Commander Manicha’s gallantry was so powerful, unable to withstand him; Karnembahu’s men threw chili powder to his eyes to immobilize him and killed him cunningly. It is said that with the recording of Manicha’s bravery, the recording of viragathe, viramarana started in the form of folk songs}.
The Officers and Munshis who accompanied Tipu to Kodagu were astonished to witness and experience the forest, rain, cold of Kodagu. Felt difficulty with the experience too.
The historian accompanied Tipu wrote about Kodagu this way:
What can I write about this astonishing kadu-sime {forest area}, with the very mention of its name my pen shivers. Its bamboo bushes, so dense and impenetrable like the curls of Abyssinian sheep. Its large paths and small paths are squeezed like the paths in-between the stars in the sky. It is impossible to pass through the hills and valleys of this country. The crops in the paddy fields of plains are as high at chest level. Sun, even though with self heating ability, afraid of the cold here, everyday covers himself with clouds and slips away as fast as he could. Every night, fast moving moon veils himself, covering his face under the blue sky. If summer is like this, in winter God only has to save us. During rainy season, for six months, the rain is so heavy that like the tears in the eyes of a sad person, the earth is filled/soaked with water. From evening to until after two hours of sun rise, mist covers hills and valleys. Many tall, muscular and active young men, losing their body heat in cold, sleeps in their hut pulling their legs close to their chest. For six month, farmers cover from head to toe with old blankets or thick cloth and work in the fields for nine to ten hours. During this period, the leeches from trees and fields will suck enough and more blood from them and their cattle before leaving them. Even before I describe the cold of here, my hand which is holding the pen is frozen as if dipped in the frozen sea. The tongue which describes the weather, even though hiding behind the lips, is frozen like ice cube with fear and astonishment.
While stationed at Devati Parmbu camp, Tipu invited all the Kodavas from around and assured them that he will take good care of them and will be good ruler to them. However, his talk was all mosagarike {cheating andr dishonest} only. However, most people did not come to him voluntarily. But within fifteen days of Tipu’s camping, the commanders whom he has sent to captured the fled people returned with ample prisoners.
The military commanders with great difficulty captured thousands of people and brought them to Tipu. Lally managed to bring not only civilians but also few leaders too. Like this until margashira bahula panchami day that is tenth to fifteenth of 1785, eighty thousand men, women and children were brought in writes Tipu’s royal historian Mir Hussain Ali Kirmani.
Marks Wilks writes in his History of Mysore about it and writes seventy thousand men, women and children were captured. {Perhaps because a list was not made, it was difficult to give the exact number}.
Tipu sent the prisoners under the guard of his army to Srirangapatna. Then strengthening all the garrisons at Kodagu forts, returned to Srirangaptna via Siddapur.
{A French report says that a good number were butchered at Devati Parmbuand too many died on the way.}
Once in Srirangapatna, he converted the entire captured lot from Kodagu and distributed them to different borders of his country. These convertees were called as Ahmaddiyas. Before that well built selected men from the convertees along with their family were kept at Srirangapatna and formed eight tukadis {regiments}. To train the newly joined recruits in warfare and strict life, he appointed the experienced senior officers. These people from the rugged hills of Kodagu were well trained within no time. Tipu honoured the trained officers with neck belts stitched to their uniform made of gold and silver according to their ranks.
The Ahmaddiya soldier got the uniform in Tiger-stripes* specially commissioned and stitched for them. Before that, on the day the Eighty-five thousand {this number might be the correct figure} captured men, women and children were forcibly converted to Islam was deemed a Holy Day and he conferred the title of Badshah on himself and proclaimed that he was free from the control of Moghal Badshahs of Delhi.
{Perhaps that was the origin of the expression of famous Tiger-stripe mania of Tipu.
Tiger and tiger stripes were part of the decoration of Tipu’s possession and anything made to proclaim his rule or personal association. His throne, his coinage, his swords, guns, small bronze mortars made for his army, the men who fired lethal iron-cased rockets against the British wore tunics with stripes woven into their fabric. Even though Tipu never killed a tiger, he must have fulfilled his desire of killing a Royal Tiger by leashing Kodavas, the brave people of hills where both men and women killed tiger}.
Before British took over the control of India completely, most parts of the India including modern Pakistan, most part of south India including Northern Mysore and Arcot in Tamil Nadu. Those days, both those who were under and those who were not under Mughals paid tribute to Mughals, and expected birudu {titles}. Until the middle of nineteenth century, even British Governor Generals wore the titles such as Nawab, Mali ul Alkab kurshid janab ummar, etc., etc., before their profession. Hence, the other rulers of Hindustan were under the impression that British were dependants of Mughal until the beginning of nineteenth century. Hindu rajas of Mysore had sent gifts Mughal and gotten titles. Therefore, until then Tipu was under the impression that he was under Mughals. But with the conversion of Kodavas, Tipu declared himself Badshaw.
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Tippu Sultan not only kept his garrisons in all the four major parts but also appointed his favourite nowkara (workman) Jainullabdeen Susthri as the adalitha-adikari (ruling officer) of Kodagu. He also ordered him to severely punish anyone who goes against and vacated Kodagu before the dawn of rainy season and returned to Srirangapattana.
During the period of Tipu building the fort at Kushalnagara, it’s worthy to mention few things about the place. After the death of Lingaraja, to keep Kodagu under his control had arranged to keep his Tanya, seems like there was a station at Kushnagara too. Before the place was named Kushalnagara, it was part of Mullusoge grama {the place was closer to Kaveri River and was ideal to send soldiers and goods to Madikeri. While Haider was at this place, the good news of his eldest son Tipu winning over his enemies was brought in and the place was named as Kushalnagra (happy place). Rice Saheb in his history of Kodagu writes that Haider got the news of the birth of his son Tippu here and hence the name Kushalanagara. However, historically this does not match as Tippu was born in 1750 and at that time Haider was a small Nayaka (leader) with Mysore army. After winning Bidanuru in 1763, Haider kept the Mysore ruler for name sake and became the controller of Mysore kingdom.
After winning Bidanuru, Haider claimed that Kodagu was under the dependency of Bidanuru Nayakas and since he won over them, Kodagu became his territory and wanted to rule over Kodagu. However, Haider for the first time occupied part of Kodagu in 1780, after the death of Lingarajendra Wodeya*. Perhaps at that time he must have built a wooden fort at Mullusoge {Mullusoge is a thick thorny acacia tree which grew plenty around} and while keeping station possibly must have called it as Kushalanagara.
{*The term Wodeya was suffixed by the Mysore ruler and the Haleri rulers used suffix raja in front of their names. Hence, Lingaraja Wodeya must have been a wrong term used by one historian or record keeper which was copied by others in the due course}.
Opposition to Tippu Sultan’s rule in Kodagu: no matter how much Tippu Sultan tried and made arrangements, people would not accept him as a ruler. Same year that is in 1785 during the rainy season people of Kodagu stopped food supplies to the garrisons. Left the plains and went to the forest area. Tippu’s men were not accustomed to the forest, hills and valleys of Kodagu and on the other hand Kodavas who were well versed with the terrain of Kodagu, comfortable living there could attack them at will and disappear again into the wilderness even before Tippu’s men lifted the weapons. So it was impossible to defeat them and more over Mysore men were not used to the cold and rains of Kodagu.
During that period as well as until the Europeans established coffee cultivation after British occupation, Kodagu was a dense forest except for the Kodava farmer’s paddy fields and backyards. The thick jungle was home to plenty of elephants, tigers, bison, deer, kadave {stag}, wild goats, boars, etc.. So to travel from grama to gram, nadu to nadu, either elephants backs or boies carrying the palanquins were the only mode of transport and the roads were just big enough for that and was filled with ups and downs.
In summer, shallow parts of the rivers were used to walk and during rainy season boats were used to cross the river. Between the Nadu, deep kadangas (trenches) of about 25 feet with high walls were present. Between many miles, there were small path openings for the people to cross. They were called as Bakka in the local dialect. In these Bakkas, raja’s watch guards were present.
There were no restrictions for the people to go between the nadus. If people are traveling to Malayala or Mysore to bring things or sell their rice, they had to obtain a permit from the Taluk Subedar. Only Yelusavira-shime and Nanjarayapattana which were to the east of Kodagu were on the plains. The forests were not dense; there were not many deep kadangas like the middle and west parts of Kodagu. Hence, most part of Kodagu was like an abyeda-kote{impenetrable fort}. It was the period of 1785 – 1789.
Thirty years after that between 1815 – 1817, Lieutenant Connor who arrived at Kodagu to gather details on geography, weather, fauna, crops, etc., wrote about Kodagu: the aspect of Codagu presents an entire forest, the long and narrow cultivated valleys enclosed within it serves best to render those vast woods more striking.
Those days because of the thick forest, rainy season was longer and heavier, pouring all through the day. During winter the mist covered the area until ten in the morning and was very cold. Because of the severity of adverse weather, Tipu’s soldiers were like prisoners in their own fort. The seasoned Kodavas occupied the other parts of the land and trouble the soldiers.
Hearing about the people of Kodagu taking the control back on most places, to contain them and bring Kodagu under control again, Tipu sent Fifteen thousand soldiers under the command of Jainullabdeen Susthri to Kodagu. This large army entered Kodagu from East and pitched their camp on Uluguli santé-malaa {market place}. Uluguli santé-maala is the current Sunticoppa area. Weekly santé {sandy} was held there for the surrounding area. The army stationed at santé-maala was attacked by 4 to 5 thousand Kodavas and in koota-yudda {hand to hand fight} managed to chop/kill many from the Mysore army. However, commander Susthri managed to gather the remaining army and reach till the Madikeri fort {around 9 miles}.
But once again Kodavas attacked him. Without enough food and men, feeling weak he turned to go to Bettadapura and pitched tent again at Uluguli. However, Kodavas once again surrounded the army and attacked him and thrashed his army. Finally with heavy loss, Susthri ran away with the remaining men leaving behind whatever was left with him to Bettadapura. From there he wrote to Tippu of his defeat and asked for more men {army}.
Posted on February 7, 2019 by coorgstories CommentsNo Comments on Tippu Jayanthi… Birth of Mysore Tiger Tipu Sultan’s TIGER – Part 2
However, unlike Tippu, the British understood the psyche of Kodavas and that’s why they offered the hands of friendship than of foe. That’s why inspite of Rev. Mega-Linga (Rev. H. F. Moegling) writing to company to increase the tax and expressing unhappiness over the other facilities, {indirectly expressing his inability over not been able to convert the stubborn Kodavas}, no action was taken by the company!
After French man Lally had managed to escape through North Kodagu (Coorg) despite losing his entire arms cache from France meant for Tippu at the hills of South Kodagu, anger of both maniac-Tipu and mercenary-French fleet against mighty Kodavas had no bound. Do or die situation…. They had to beat them at any cost and the plot took shape secretly. Though not a great fighter, Tippu was a great strategist, and traveling in the comforts of palanquin like a newly married bride, with his famous 7.4 kg ornamental Sword, reminding of how important it is to stay in power along the writing equipments and desk, carried behind him he could plan it well too.
It was rumoured that the Kodagu fighters from South Kodagu had moved to help the fighters in North. So a plan was meticulously hatched to beat the Kodavas. Without trusting the generals, this time Tipu kept the plan with himself and wanted to execute it in secrecy. Hence, he became a gomukha-vyagra… showed the face of cow under the cover of animal of his obsession which he could never kill…. the Tiger.
The question remain why did British kept him on pedestal. According to me, the answer is simple: the British dint want to be known as the lesser fighters than Kodavas. Perspective alters history…The untrained, self taught Kodavas had beaten both father and son duo again and again, until they sought help from French and shelter under cunningness to beat Kodavas!! So what would be the face value of or credibility of “Great Britain” for fighting with the duo so long? Hence they elevated his own aura to make them look good!
Well from the foreskin of cunningly imprisoned Kodava/Kodagu men, women & children came out the hero on the mechanical toy tiger… No wonder politicians still cash in on it… while the world condemns Hitler, Tippu is celebrated, and the Kodava men’s foreskin indeed is expensive after all! Perhaps with very few exceptions, Politics coupled with ego teaches the valueless believes which politician in general inculcate in their philosophy. That’s why for few votes they glorify even the blood thirsty monsters.
Shame on those who calls Tipu, the son of soil and a freedom fighter…. I am sure if you look deep into their eyes of those beholders, it has the scar of foreskin in them.
The translation:
Tipu Sultan won Kodagu again: Before waging war on Kodagu, Haider had won the places around Kodagu. However until Lingarajendra {Lingaraja I} asked for asylum under him, he could not win over Kodagu because of its rugged hills, deep valleys and thick forests. More than expansion of his country, Haider was always eyeing and wanting to win Kodagu because of its strategic location where he could keep his army to control over Dakshina Kannada, Malayala and Mysore Kingdoms. Therefore, when easily it came to his indirect control because of the infighting of the Haleri dynasty (Branch II and III}, Haider did not want to return the land to Virarajendra {Lingaraja’s son Vira raja IV} as long as he was alive.
Similarly, after his death when his son Tippu Sultan took over the reins, he did not want to give up Kodagu easily. He was also well aware of the strategic position of Kodagu, wanted and made up his mind to win Kodagu again. However, the fight with English which started with his father was yet to get over, so he could not concentrate on Kodagu.
During this period that is in 1783, he transferred the entire royal family of Haleri, who were at that time imprisoned at Goruru Fort in Hassana, to the Periapattana Fort in mysore. Soldiers were placed both inside and outside of the fort to guard over the family, so that they would not escape. The family got an annual grant of three hundred pagodas that is thousand two hundred rupees. They were housed in an ordinary building. After a short period, due to shortage of food, unhygienic and spread of small pox took toll on Devambike Amma {wife of Lingaraja I}, mother of Virarajendra and his brothers’ and few other family member perished there.
As soon as he ascended the throne, Tippu Sultan continued his war with the English. In 1783 and 1784, he attacked Nagara kote* and Mangalore kote, winning it back, which was under the control of General Richard Mathews. After which on March 11th, 1785 Tippu and English made an agreement at Mangalore, putting an end to the fight. Finally Tippu Sultan had the time to wage war against Kodagu.
{*Nagara kote {old name Fortress of Bednore}, had been surrendered to General Mathews on 14th February. Tipu Sultan came with an overwhelming body of troops and forced the British to retreat to the citadel –smaller part of the fort. With shortage of supply, after ten days, they surrendered and General Mathews and his army were taken into captivity. After imprisonment, General Mathews was executed on 16th August 1783.}
On his way back from Mangalore to Periapattana, Tippu Sultan arrived at Kodagu. He invited the heads of Kodagu and conveyed the message that: inspite of you all revolting against me, I will forgive you but if you all revolt again I will catch and convert all of you. According to historian Wilks, Tippu Sultan told the mukyasthas that: after my father won your country, you have revolted seven times and became the cause of thousands of our soldiers. I will forgive you once but if you revolt again, I will convert every man in this country to Islam; such is my oath to God. And also I will make you all stay away from your homeland, away from your homes and property. I have heard that your women practices polyandry. If you all are converted and sent away both your revolt and your women’s polyandry could be stopped in one go. Tippu’s opinion and comment about Kodava women practicing polyandry was a wrong notion, wrote the later historians.
When Tippu came, Madikeri fort was of mud walls and he got it removed and built with stone walls. {Knowing the situation and the availability of raw materials, it seems either it was strengthened or makeshift one were built. Hence there are no remains.}
He kept a garrison and appointed a Sardar {commander-in-chief} Jaffer Kuli Baig as the kille-dar {kille meaning fort} and renamed Madikeri as Jaffarabad after his Sardar. Remaining soldiers were distributed between Kushalanagara, Arameri of Beppunadu and Bhagamandala*, with orders to build forts so that Kodagu will not slip out of his hands. Similarly, not only Madikeri fort wall was rebuilt in stone, forts were built at Aramane-geri {old name of Armeri} of Beppu-nadu, Kushalnagara and Bhagamandala forts were built. In all the four forts, Tippu Sultan’s tukadi {garrisons} were kept. The yards of Bhagandeshwara and other temples of Bhagamandala became the station for Tipu’s soldiers.
{*Arameri had a damaged fort from Utha Nayaka’s era which must have been repaired and in Bhagamandala there was no fort and the temple was used to station the army and the walls of the temple became their fort. Kushalnagara it’s hard to say. Hence, building a fort with limited labour and material in that short period seems little confusing. All in all they must have found ways for makeshift forts}
The outer walls of the temple became the walls of the fort. Since the rivers Kaveri and Kanake are flowing on two sides of the place, Tipu named the land as “Abjalabad”. Even before the soldiers had occupied the temple, Brahmin’s had vacated the temple and had taken the Linga and idols to safer place to perform poojas.*
{*The amazing story of Pattamada Uthiah’s bravery and dedication for four months to the Bagandeshwara and other idols, when all the Brahmins ran away in fear of pollution, made him famous all over Kodagu and later the ruler had granted him annul rice “padi”. A brave tiger killer, Uthaiah had not only carried a Brahmin boy everyday religiously on his back to perform the daily rituals but also had given up nonveg and alcohol}.
Famous French historian March Bloch quoted: “History is neither watch making nor cabinet construction. It is an endeavor towards better understanding. The very names we use to describe ancient ideas or vanished-forms of social organization would be quite meaningless if we had not known living men”.
While researching for my forthcoming book about Kodagu and Haleri dynasty, I came across one of the strangest and disgusting claims one can ever grasp. Sadly no one has the time to read, that too Kannada books and hence I took the liberty to translate few pages for the younger generation to know the truth. This five part article traces one of the ugliest steps in the history of humanity and can quell many misconceptions about the real history of Kodagu and Mysore.
Though I had taken a break from blogging to concentrate on my book, the content was too valuable to be ignored. As I read sitting in the sun room, thousands of miles away, my late father’s words echoed at the back of my head… darveshi nai sulemova tipu kodavada samanramele samrajya kettechi… my father knew it but I was too naïve to understand then! Tippu–British–French–ugly Karnataka politicians, naked danced around me…. the ugliest sight one can ever see and bile was rising. Born and raised in Kodagu with values, it took a while for me to digest the utterly disgusting reality.
A step by step, day to day bullock cart journey leading to the grand finale of action is described meticulously by historian Mr. D. N. Krishnaiah. Buckle up, take a deep breath and experience the ugly side of maniac Tipu’s manipulative journey first hand on the rugged path of Western Ghats..…. …. Though the famous historian has given clear step by step pictures of the horrendous journey, luckily has spared the unpalatable and gruesome details on Devati Parmbu massacre and the painful journey of prisoners to Srirangapatna {it is mentioned elsewhere}.
On the other hand, ironically while Tipu was busy fulfilling his Tiger quest, by piling the manhood of Kodavas strand by strand, without his knowledge the British Empire was meticulously carving out their own “Poster Boy”, a hero larger than life in flesh and blood with an artificial aura of supremacy to save their own self-image from Tippoo. Tipu, armed with only good strategic capacity of a mere cunning tiger-salamander was promoted shamefully as a real magnificent Tiger known for its grace, strength, agility and enormous power, the pride of India. This allowed them to use this aura as an excuse for their own shortcomings against him
Sri Krishna says “Dharma only will protect Dharma” and I think Adharma only exposes Adharma.
It is said that everything happens for a reason and it’s for a good reason. Thanks to the manipulative vote monger Tipu-Jayanthi celebrations, glorious past of Great Britain’s “Poster boy’s” bravery is a household name not only in India but around the world. Hence the read would fascinate more people than before. However, it is time to do the postmortem of Tippu Satan’s Tiger Fallacy, clear the air and restore the peace, dignity and honour of not only Kodava Ancestors, but also scores of other innocent souls from many other communities within and around Kodagu, e.g., Catholics of Mangalore, Nairs of Kerala, etc., etc., to have their own moment of peace. I realized that it was the reason that I had found it and had to offer “pinda” to each and everyone. I couldn’t have asked for more blessing from the Creator than such a noble deed.
Blogger’s Note: The word Kodava is used rather than Kodagu warriors as the highest majority of them were from the Kodava clans and included families. Secondly, sorry about the language used… but after four years of research, I believe that one has to be bold and brash to tell the truth. The comments in {} is not part of translation and is instead my own insertions used for better understanding.
If there ever is a question…. who had the most prized “Foreskin” on earth, the answer would be definitely “the men from Kodagu”!! Am I kidding? Not really.
Tippu rose to power on it, British extended their friendly hand to Kodavas but portrayed Tippu as a hero to boost their Self-Image, like leeches French lived rather sucked on it and politicians still continue to suck on it for votes. When our own people could conveniently pull wool over our eyes with treason, it was not difficult for the white men. No wonder Truth is always bitter…
Beaten again & again by the ill equipped, self taught Kodava/Kodagu warriors, Tipu’s ego was tired of both the insults mooted out on him & his dead father as well as their inability to expand. The French, one of the European suckers shared the same sentiments too. Haider had the collaboration of more than 3,000 French soldiers and weapons at his disposal. Later numerous proposals of alliances were made by Tipu, leading to the dispatch of a French mercenary fleet of volunteers to help him. Infamous French man Lally was transporting metal cannon balls which can be still found in Kodagu.
Kodavas had a secret of their own for winning the wars and taking up the arms again and again without fear. They were raised under the warmth and love of an undivided family tree called Ainmane, their prospect of wealth was different. For that matter their ideology was different and miles apart than the mercenaries, traders or anyone who ever fought with them. They were the guardian of the boarder….Safety, Sanctity and Security of Motherland was their dharma which connected them with their past and their heritage, and a reason to live. They deemed it as their proud duty and fought for the safety and honour of their beloved Motherland and their family, often even without remuneration.
This is unlike the story of Tipu, who was the descendant of a mercenary from the deserts of Middle East, follower of an unknown strange sect, who spent first thirteen years of his life on the back streets of Devanahalli fort, perhaps radicalized, once even abandoned by father when Haider ran away, life was all about wealth and power. Coming from the streets of Devanahalli fort, with an absentee father, Tipu did not know the value of a true family or what a real family is.
True to the say: culture is caught not taught, living in an Ainmane, for a Kodava, the treasure “Kodavame” or the Kodava way of life passed on by generation to generation through watching their predecessors was/is a natural inborn instinct. It was/is the foundation of his courage coupled with love and reverence for his land, culture and family, becomes his passion. It was inculcated in their blood, their very DNA. River Kaveri was the strength behind them, the very umbilical cord which connected them to Kodagu.
Fighting for the protection of mother land was inborn and came naturally to Kodavas and when necessary they could blend with each other like milk and sugar from all the four corners of Coorg Proper without any hitch as they were fighting for a single cause and not for wealth or power. That is what made them different, stronger and selfless.
Posted on February 21, 2018 by coorgstories Tagged bharatbjpbribecleankereKukkarahallilakemodiMysorerallyswach CommentsNo Comments on PM Modi’s effect…. Swach Bharat, itchy hands and leaky members…..
PM Modi’s effect…. Swach Bharat, itchy hands and leaky members…..
While in Mysore, I like to do two things religiously every morning: one is go to Kukkarahalli-kere (lake) and the second is to drink tender coconut right after. One fine morning in mid January when I landed in Mysore, I was happy to see mass cleaning on the South side of the lake. Then, I saw the road in front of the Crawford hall closed as the road was being widened and everywhere spick and span.
I was telling my husband the MUDA (Mysore Urban Development Authority) was really taking a sudden interest in keeping the city clean. Guess they are vying to claim their title of “India’s cleanest city” back. When I stopped for my tender coconut, my husband said there were hardly any coconuts and it must be from the previous day.
When I asked the old man who cuts the tender coconut, he said boss is not bringing more.
I asked him why?
He said because of PM Modi’s arrival….
I was surprised and told him, PM Modi came to Bengaluru and why the boss is not bringing in Mysuru?
Showing his missing teeth, he said I don’t know Amma….
He is an innocent hired villager and he had told me that on a good day he sells up to 150 tender coconuts. He had also told me that weekly his boss pays Mamuli (usual bribe) to three different persons and every Sunday they come religiously to collect. If someone is around that time they will wait till the coast is clear and then collects it!
Later I spoke to his boss and he confirmed what the old man had said and gave me the list too.
Someone from Abhai (MUDA) collects Rs.300, traffic police Rs.300 and another police collects Rs.100. So Rs.700 total weekly payment. He also told me that they will drink tender coconut and if they find it fresh they will also pack 2 each to take it home! (Each tender coconut costs Rs.25).
Sad there is always room for black money and different avenues and channels available…
After two days the old man was moving his cart when we stopped by. He said Amma we are not allowed to sell on the pavement, the municipality people warned us and told us to stay away until after PM Modi’s visit on 18th and 19th of February 2018. Swachh Survekshan people will inspect…
So the mamuli does have its benefits and the less stocking was not because of the previous visit but preparation for the future visit… the whole system is a vicious circle and goes back to the roots…
I was also told that the cleanup operation and kicking the peddlers out was limited to the route PM Modi will be taking. I hear there are no rooms available at Lalith Mahal Palace hotel as it’s fully booked by a retired bureaucrat for his son’s wedding. So from where ever PM Modi is staying (mostly Radisson Blu)… going to Railway station and then to Maharaja’s College ground, the order will be maintained…
Wish PM Modi also visited the Kukkarahalli Lake so that the human waste coming in to the lake would stop and the little paradise would shine further.
Cleaning also brought to my mind the leaky privates some men sport besides the charandi (ditch at the kere)… or even in other open places. To this day I wonder why they can’t simply go at home before they set out on their journey. Interestingly I don’t see poor people doing that or a villager doing that. The middle class who travels in two wheelers or cars does that. Why do they really do it? Do they want assurance that their man hood still intact. Or is it just force of habit?
Wonder what might discourage them to do it? Does it help if everyone starts clicking their pictures in action and start posting in the social media… if they are shameless to do what they do why not take the picture?
Sadly there is this small breed of specimens who considers themselves as the leaders in such smelly business and presume their action justified. I see there is only one place remains which poses competition in this respect… however there is a minor difference. There the specimens have four legs. It’s at the world’s foremost city… Manhattan, New York. City of dogs, where the dogs are treated better even than the children or spouses.
The handsome, fancy dogs in leash, taken for walk, is a feast to the eye and the love and affection they receive is enviable. This perhaps is the reason they are also tolerated when they pee around. Most of the time their poop is collected and disposed but no effort is done to stop the pee. Everywhere they sport the little boards: Please Curb your Dogs… wonder what could be the befitting board for the educated fools here? A question and comparison which bothers me whenever I am in Manhattan!
The other city, the city of love which had the long standing tradition of drink and wild peeing, since before the day of Napoleon has finally put an end to the adventure and tradition with the introduction of Uritrottoir. Well you guessed it right, it’s Paris. Wild peeing was another tradition along with haute cuisine and chic fashion, they were wilder than the leaky dicks in India. So when will we be able to call it quits in India?
Posted on June 25, 2017 by coorgstories Tagged alcoholboozeCoorgindiakarnatakakeralapakisthanpork CommentsNo Comments on The Drunkard’s dozen, and one for the road;)
The Drunkard’s dozen, and one for the road;)
When I visit Kodagu, I not only make a choice to blissfully cut off myself from the gadget civilization, but the erratic Electricity Board practically forces it on me too. So I try to read the local news papers in Kannada to brush up my language skills. Last visit, I was reading the paper and burst out laughing with tears rolling from the eyes. My husband was curious to learn the reason and I warned him, you are not going to like what I say… but he insisted!
I said have you heard of Drunkard’s dozen? You can use it in your next Bingo session… (actually I made up the word) and started laughing again because my mind went elsewhere, to Pakistan to be precise! He was looking at me with a sort of grin and irritation… then I narrated out the news item from the newspaper dabbed with little spice:
{May 28th 2017, – Virajpet} The way it seems, the Keralites are exceptionally Law abiding(***) citizens of India. The Cops seems to be either busy controlling the striking employees or chasing the drunken brawlers… If you take the Nagarahole road to Mysuru, after the check point of Thithimathi, you can often see many Kerala registered cars from Mercedes to little Nano parked here and there even braving the elephant crossing. I joke with my husband, guess Mallu’s are scared of their abkari and cops more than the biggest mammal!
Lure of alcohol is more powerful than most, as long as the effect is on, one can be what they want to be… a Maharaja or a Celebrity or a Super being. Moreover alcohol is unbiased, has no religion, no gender or language discrimination, sings lullaby even to the beggar/pauper/criminal alike, teaches punctuality to the believer, and embraces everyone in the same manner including animals. Jokes aside, heard of fermented Marula fruit party of animals in Africa? The animals relentlessly keep coming back for more and more inspite of losing balance while walking. Fortunately (unfortunately for some) there is a limit to Man’s ability to drink and eat… and unlike Mr.FAT there is no storage facility for the alcohol either. The chemical cocktail that runs through every creature called addiction are often difficult to control and in Kerala there are one too many devoted to Ms Madire (alcohol). So what is the easiest path to romance or mate with her?
Simply get into a bus or car and depending where you live travel to Mahe or Karnataka. For example the boarder Taluk of Virajpet in Kodagu district of Karnataka and have a fill. Sadly one State’s restriction is another States boon. Ironically Mahe (aka Mayyazhi locally) surrounded by Kerala on three sides but governed by the union territory Puducherry (Pondicherry) with low taxes!
So during the last week of May 2017, one young genius in Lungi, the traditional attire, came up with a brilliant plan. He brought eleven quarter bottle (usually its flat bottles) and tied them to his sexy legs with white cotton rope, one with six and the other with five. Though seemed a dubious plan, it was the best he could do to avoid being caught by the custom officials at the check posts of Makutta and Perambadi. Perhaps he even would have gotten away fairly easily as the Lungi would cover the bottles and rope without any bulges. But like the famous phrase.. “One for the road”, made the plan famous and colourful.
That day KSRTC, – both the Kerala State government and Karnataka State government transport buses are called KSRTC – was running late. Poor man in Lungi could not resist the call for the last drink like a snake to the charmer’s Pungi, got another quarter and chugged the shot fearing the arrival of the bus. Already high, as the Ms Madire subjugated, he could not even stand or walk. So under duress just sat on the ground, as the Lungi opened revealing his beautiful sexy legs along with the bottles. Rest is history… someone with the smart phone got smarter and clicked the picture and sent to the media.
As I finished my narration, my husband burst out laughing but in between he said then what is the Drunkard’s dozen and Pakistani connection?
Well, sorry guys I have to admit its little nasty but that was the thought that came to me… I am not challenging the manhood but it’s just a funny episode in the mundane day to day life. I told him, it’s all about the importance or perception of manhood for certain category of people. I was wondering why only the odd eleven bottles and why not twelve? Then realized that in a drunken state, the man in Lungi must have mistaken or counted his organ as the twelfth bottle! It’s not different from a drunkard thinking he/she can drive in supersonic speed or consider themselves as superman/woman.
And as far the Pakistani connection goes, remember 4 – 5 years ago a suicide bombers’ devise would not detonate because he was wearing a metal shield around his genital area to carry it whole to heaven? Wow, amazingly he thought leaving it whole on Earth would reach Heaven without blemish too. Then there is the failed Christmas day unwashed-underwear bomb too…
My husband did not say anything so I thought it was OK to post it… But I am still wondering who is the smartest of the three? And which addiction is more powerful? Is wearing pant better than Lungi while smuggling?
*** Even though India is one sovereign entity, each State has its own independent rules and regulations within the state. Often it is stretched too thin and hard to comprehend. For decades I lived in a tax free country Kuwait, where there was restriction for very few items like drugs, alcohol, pork. Yet people try to smuggle it not only for quick bucks but also for personal indulgence. Always the modus operandi is exclusive; often mind blowing which could turns funny, nasty or stupid too. Like the drugs carrier mules sorry humans, swallowing plastic bags with drugs or kept in private parts, etc.. I often wondered how it is in a large country with limited restrictions or free movement between the states.
In Karnataka, alcohol sale is a big business… both as money spinner to state government as well as politicians/abkari/police department’s coffer filling golden goose, who are like the mosquitoes sucking out on decomposed mushrooms! Sadly as long as the last alcoholic is standing, demand and supply will continue and the trend will continue. Pathetically, as if the half crack-nasty, ego bound drivers are not bad enough, it is even sold on highways… However, the next door neighbour state Kerala has a different covenant even though they enjoy “Kallapam”, a alcohol based breakfast. Say no to “Kallu” and encourage drinking “Chaya”, the famed Kerala milk-tea,. According to Mr. Google uncle, the state owned Bevco (Kerala State Beverage Corp) has 338 shops, and Bevco will shut down 10% of them every year. Consumer fed, which has 46 shops, will also be closed. However, sale of alcohol will continue to be permitted in 5-star hotels, and there were fourteen 5-star hotels in the state as of August 2014. That means big wigs can still drink, in other words liquor is not really banned; only the location is restricted!!
Posted on May 25, 2017 by coorgstories Tagged catfableindiairaniraqkuwaitmonkeysharingStorywar CommentsNo Comments on Face of Iraqi Wars & Fable from my childhood.. Two Cats & a Monkey
Face of Iraqi Wars & Fable from my childhood.. Two Cats & a Monkey
This is a fable for the young generation..
Indian culture is full of fables & we grew up listening to oodles of them from parents, grandparents, relatives & even exchanges with friends. Those were the most beautiful moments & we never got tired of it… Basically unlike the present day gadgets, it was one of the most important entertainments for us. That’s how we were mentally groomed to grow up as balanced human beings. Keeping the values & growth of mankind, as the Vedas & Puranas have done thousands of years ago, fables were woven & passed on in a simpler fashion known as Ajji-Kategalu (Grandmother’s stories).
I am certain that Indian fables are a rich source of bonding & grooming to children. I was really surprised when I narrated my own modified version of the story of “King with the Donkey’s ears’ to Arya, my 3.5 years old granddaughter, she was so excited & made me tell her the story several times. I let her name the King & she would religiously repeat “King Cockle has Donkey’s ears” three times too. One day she also asked me Nana can you write & give it to Mama/Dada so they can read it for me!!
An Ajji would have said: A Door is smaller than a house, a lock is smaller than the door & a Key is smallest of them all. Like how we can enter the house with that little key, a good moral solution can fix big problems & vice versa!!
When the Iran-Iraq war happened (22.09.1980 to Aug 1988), we lived just a ~500 kilometers away & when Iraq annexed Kuwait (02.08.1990 to 26.02.1991) we lived there for 2 months before starting the arduous journey home. In a WAR there is no such thing as winners or losers; everyone is a loser in different context. I always wonder who really benefitted & ate the cake. Coming back to the headlines, you can read the story & interpret the way you want.
Many moons ago there lived two Cats in an old woman’s house. They were good friends, born together & while basking in the Sun spent their time playing & purring whole day in the garden. Old woman was very fond of the Cats & pampered them like her own children. There was plenty of food & milk, & they did not have to toil it. One day the old woman was suddenly taken ill & had to be rushed to the hospital. There was no food or milk kept out for them to eat or drink.
Middle of the day both were very hungry & could not find any food or drink. So both decided to search for the food & wondered all over the village but could not find any food. Finally the aroma of freshly baked bread & cake gave them some hope. When the baker was busy they managed to sneak in & while the baker was trying to chase one, the other ran away with a piece of cake. Finally, they stopped under a bush & decided to share the cake. It was a team effort & both wanted equal share. One of them divided the cake into two pieces & the pieces did not look equal. Obviously they had no knife to cut it & had to use their paws. The tantalizing smell of cake made them greedy & both began to quarrel claiming the bigger piece.
On a nearby tree a small troop (incidentally it is also called a barrel!!!) of Monkeys were watching the commotion under the canopy. The smart leader decided to mediate between the Cats. Well that’s what it told them… it came down from the tree & asked them why they were quarreling with each other?
When the Cats complained to the Monkey about the difference in the portion, the Monkey said oh don’t worry, I can solve this problem in no time. The leader went to nearby vegetable vendor & borrowed a balance to weigh.
The Monkey said, well keep both the pieces in the balance & let us see if it is different & I will be the judge. Impressed by the size & smartness of the Monkey, the Cats agreed & kept the pieces in the balance. Indeed it was different & the Monkey said it will fix the problem, & cut a piece of the heavier cake & ate it. Then weighed the pieces again & the other piece was heavier this time. Saying it will fix the pieces equally, the Monkey took a bite & ate it. To make the pieces equal, biting & eating from the heavier pieces continued until such time that there was nothing left. Right in front of their eyes the entire cake piece vanished into Monkey’s stomach as both the Cats stood helpless & aghast for the right measurement.
Finally the Monkey smiled & said now my dear friends; I have solved your problem & you won’t have to quarrel over the bigger piece of the cake anymore & climbed back the tree.
Still hungry & sad, the Cats learnt the lesson of their life, not to involve a stranger in their personal affair. They had no choice but to wait for the old lady to return home…
World is still filled with Cats & all kinds of monkeys white, brown, black, etc.
Posted on January 21, 2017 by coorgstories CommentsNo Comments on So how is Manhattan connected to these events?
So how is Manhattan connected to these events?
Manhattan seems to showcase every aspect of life condensed in an Island. Hudson River forms Manhattan island by splitting into two as East & West. It’s a place where usual & unusual, walk hand in hand. Manhattan accommodates everyone from Homeless to mansion dwellers, along with the super talls/slenders skyscrapers. It’s a place where people even go to cuddle joints get cuddles & hugs… It’s where the UN is situated & just across the UN building rests the Roosevelt Island, spectacle to the 4-Visions spoken out by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on January 6, 1941 at the State of the Union address*. UN with 139-member body yet controlled by five (like the Panchendryas – 5-Sense organs & fingers of the hand which control the trigger), a body by itself stands tall witnessing the destruction of the creation, millions of dead bodies, the innocent collateral damages &, the victims of circumstances. Just like the blind Kuru King Dritarastra, powerful yet powerless, & his wife the voluntary blind (just like the Greek Goddess Justitia, the Lady of justice, blindfolded, sword in hand still trying to balance herself without expression on her face)
The River Hudson, a tidal estuary which flows both upstream & downstream mixing the fresh & salt waters depending upon the tide.
Manhattan is the most important Financial district in the world which can influence the Worldwide markets. It’s where babies & dogs are treated equal if not better !Where women are obsessed with their nails & hair, both dead parts of the body! A place where things are legally illegal & illegally legal! – for example drugs are not legal yet there are shops where whole load of drug paraphernalia made of glass to crystal to metal is sold!! In Bryant Park, if you hang on for a while after a concert, you can get intoxicated by simply breathing the air!!
The word Manhattan means “The place where we get bows’, in the Munsee language, for a stand of hickory trees at the lower end so ideal for the making of bows that was grown throughout the length of the Hudson River. Before their journey of incognito, Pandavas hid their magnificent unparalleled celestial weapons (particularly the bows & arrows of Arjuna) obtained from the Devas on a Shala/Sami tree, a place safe & handy to retrieve when needed. Those were the same weapons used during the war.
So when is the D-day going to happen? It did not seem far away…
I thought I am not reaching anywhere with all these data moving in my head… how much of my thoughts were really true? Wanted to wake my husband & talk something so that I could clear my mind but he was fast asleep & had no heart to trouble him. I am neither religious nor can honestly pray for even one minutes & why am being pulled into this? I have not had a horoscope made for me or any of my children… I am practically ignorant of everything….
Does Sahara boss’s jail indicate the previous birth of Sri Vishnu as Krishna born in a jail? Nothing was related to anything yet everything was being pumped into my mind.. as if everything were signs clearly visible to naked eyes… I felt like Mr. Monk in the movie “Life or something like it”…. Telling God is coming… God is coming… then I realized his origin is a piece of puzzle toooo… it was strange & funny…
I thought of the horse shoe shaped building, as I heard that Jews (Yehudi – of Yahudha tribe) are of Indian origin. They are supposed to have migrated from Bharata after the Great War, whom Arjuna had lead more than 5-thousand years ago, as instructed by Sri Krishna… Yadhus (modern decedents are called Yadavas).. the people from Sri Krishna’s Kingdom… oh boy where am I leading to? Interestingly Sri Krishna’s maternal uncle Kaansa had cursed Yadhus to be persecuted throughout their future, for supporting his would be assassin Sri Krishna. No matter what, how much persecution & hardship, like Phoenix the fire bird, the Jews will always bounce back & remain powerful, have control & say in the world affairs directly or indirectly!! They are said to be freed from the curse after the return of Sri Krishna to earth. Perhaps the old bond still keeps India & Israel in close relationship to this day & India is the one country which never persecuted Jews!! Even scores of distressed youngsters from Israel head to India in search of Peace. Maybe that is why Judaism, unlike other religions from the region do not have the concept of conversions. Maybe its an inheritance from their Indian past? A DNA test should confirm!
So everything is linked & everything has a reason in this world… no wonder everything & everyone is related to everyone & everything. I wanted my thought flow to change its direction to its original self. A cocktail or religions – Muslim – Hindus & now Jews…
I realized that the word Kalki, the next birth of Sri Vishnu is not going to be his name. It’s just an indication of the Avatara of Sri Vishnu. Kalki is made up of two words “Kal & Ki”. In India, the word “kal” means both yesterday & tomorrow & “ki” is an adjective meaning belongs to. So what was yesterday will be tomorrow. Is the reversal/same form of the same.. Hence, the Vishnu who came yesterday meaning previously will come tomorrow meaning future. No wonder Sri Krishna was termed as the first psychologist of the universe who has to incarnate again to uplift the crashed psyche… Once the Kaliyuga ends, the time will slip back to Dvapara yuga bringing a better tomorrow.
Mahabharata happened in a different scope or level of intelligence communication & physical capabilities. Their capabilities were different, unknown to us rather unperceivable to us, so much so many call them Aliens!! Mahabharata or Kurukshetra War did not happen because Sri Krishna wanted to get the Kingdom back to Pandavas. Pandavas were capable of earning it themselves. He came because the morale at that time was in steep decline & oppression on the children & women were too high. History repeats & that’s what is happening now on earth directly or indirectly. People say something & do something else… fence is consuming the crop… at the conjunction of 2-yugas with further social upheavals & constant disturbances & deterioration of morality, Vishunu is to appear as chastiser of opressors.
Very few realize the fact that in ancient India, women occupied a very important position, in fact a superior positon to men.… The Sanskrit term Shakti is the only word used to indicate power & strength & it’s a feminine gender which denotes that all male power comes from the feminine. However, the degradation of morale saw the opposite effect. Sri Vishnu came to earth when the morale was its lowest. Both Pandavas & Kauravas were just tools/pawns like how fire is used to clear the sugarcane field to plant sugarcane again to bring sweetness into earth. The war between the Kurus was to rid the earth from evil where the morale had deteriorated so much that the women & children were used/abused mercilessly, sold like goods & innocents were suffering without a cause. Trying to undress Draupadi in the saba became the main cause of Mahabharata war, like how Sita’s abduction was the cause of Ramayana & Madurai, the capital of Pandyas was burnt because Pandyan Nedunchezhiyan mistakenly killed her husband on theft charges.
With the end of Kaliyuga {age of darkness}, the creation completes a full circle, so does the human brain, then there is no more potential growth that’s when he becomes the slave of the machine & equipments. That’s when Sri Vishnu will come to uphold the dharma & put the brightness to humanity & keep the cycle going. Righteousness is here to stay as it’s the very nature of man, sadly due to various influences man turns unrighteous conquered by greed. Thanks to the illogical thinking of few evil minds & unscrupulous behavior of few more, fellow human (the entire creation) has lost the dignity in both living as well as in death. Sadly, it’s a pattern spread across the Yugas… which is enhanced many folds in this day & age.
Wonder if Lord Vishnu going to be born in Israel or in India? Wherever it is, the final belief of the humanity is going to be Sanatana Dharma because it is not a religion but a way of life which teaches harmonious living which is the secret of life itself. Religion is just a manmade mambo-jambo… creating confusion… I left the bed to write what I could remember before I lost track of it…. I knew that I am not qualified enough to be part of Lord Vishnu’s birth. But I can dream of anything I want & will my dream come true? I want to be reborn as my own great-granddaughter… as a Sanskrit scholar. Will I remember my past then?
`12*A world founded upon 4-essential human freedoms. The freedom of speech & expression, freedom of every person to worship God in his own way, freedom from want & freedom from fear.
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Manhattan – Fishing and Rats (Part 2)
When we entered the park through the south-east corner, the same drama was being enacted inside too but the crowd was mixed. Being Saturday, the park was crowded. A young lady was painting the stone bridge & I peeped from the side to see the work. She was good. We walked little further & sat on the bench opposite to the lake overlooking the bridge. A Youngman was catching fish with simple hook & some plastic looking bait, while 3-ducks stood close to each other on a small rock popping out of the water. Another man from across was capturing the beauty of the natural stone bridge with his camera. At least they were aware of the what they were doing!!
Youngman’s fishing became our discussion for a while as many passersby looked at him with critical eyes. I was wondering if the fishing is allowed inside the park pond? There were a whole lot of fish in the pond… some coloured ones too… meanwhile he got one & he showed it to two kids saying it’s a trout… & released back the fish as an asian woman watched them all. I commented it’s nice that it was released, I know it is to teach his kids but he also should tell them that the fish gets hurt like us & feels uncomfortable deprived of oxygen nearly expecting death too. In the meantime, the kids pointed towards the back & said see Dad there & ran towards him. Oh boy it was not his kids! Was it fair to catch the fish? What was the purpose?
Then the Youngman took his fishing rod & walked to the other side of the lake. I wondered if he was maybe re-living his childhood or maybe making it up for the lost childhood? Now our mind moved towards the stone bridge where many women sat & some kids crawled along it’s the ledge of the bridge, which gave us goosebumps.
My husband and son talked about the buildings around. And I pointed to my daughter in law the Rats racing & scurrying from both sides… with full speed ignoring the presence of humans on their mobiles! There were so many & one was just behind us on the tree watching us. I started telling them about an Indian National volleyball player’s unprecedented accident, when she had rats feasting on her raw flesh right in front of her eyes while she lay unable to move between Two railway tracks. Actually my talk was not about the rats but the human mental endurance but my husband & DIL quickly got up to move… & on the other side of the lake there was a father & son duo both equipped with fishing rod… besides them was the same Youngman!! Same old thing repeated yet I was thankful for they were releasing it back to the water… we moved on fearing their hook might hurt us from their behind while throwing.
Outside “Zombie Oasis” was getting larger & the lights were on. NYPD vehicle which I had seen earlier was still there & I joked what would the Zombies do for Uncle Sam to wait on them… eat each other? Glued to mobiles, they were almost dead to reality, no one spoke or laughed.. thank God they still seemed breathing!! Only casualty was the Psyche Crash!! While the passing cars rolled smoothly & sounds of horse’s hoop reminded of a bygone era, there was an eerie silence among the packed homogeneous sardines..
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EMC Enhances Award Winning Retrospect Backup and Recovery Software for Small and Medium Businesses
EMC Retrospect 7.5 Delivers New Features and Better Performance
Hopkinton, Mass. - February 06, 2006 -
EMC Corporation, world leader in information management and storage, today announced EMC Retrospect 7.5, a significant new version of the award winning EMC Retrospect for Windows backup and recovery software. It has never been easier for small and medium businesses (SMBs) to implement automated, business-class data protection.
Retrospect delivers powerful yet easy-to-use data protection for servers, applications, desktops and notebooks. New features include user-initiated restores, automated deployment of client software, automated software updates, the ability to restore data or copy to tape during backups to disk, offline verification, and broader support for the latest operating systems and business critical applications.
Larry Zulch, Vice President and General Manager, EMC Insignia, EMC Corporation said, "The need for effective backup and recovery has never been greater. SMBs who want the best protection with the least effort will find Retrospect to be their partner in recovery management, the real reason to back up. Retrospect 7.5 is the most advanced Retrospect product ever offered, with enhancements in many significant areas. And through government-certified AES encryption users can ensure their backup data is always secure."
"The automated deployment of client software and software updates over the Internet are the Retrospect 7.5 enhancements that have improved our efficiency," said Chuck Fee, IT Manager, Oregon Social Learning Center. "With 400 PC's to support, being able to push the client install is critical for us. Given that number of users, we are also moving to fault-tolerant systems so Retrospect’s cluster support is also a welcome addition for us."
What’s New in Retrospect
"I have been using Retrospect since Version 1," said Ed Glassgow, President, Scott, Cox & Associates. "Every release has been better and more feature rich. EMC Retrospect 7.5 follows this trend with more options, better speed, excellent stability and good value. I find it hard to imagine a better backup tool."
Retrospect is renowned for its ease of use and power. It automatically adjusts backup operations to ensure that all computers are protected without requiring manual intervention. Unlike other backup applications, it accurately restores a computer to a point in time that an incremental backup was performed, eliminating the need to perform weekly full backups. Management of onsite and offsite backup media is greatly simplified, and AES encryption ensures the safety of the backup media in transit and at rest.
Retrospect 7.5 for Windows backup and recovery software is available immediately from authorized EMC resellers and EMC Velocity SMB channel partners at a starting price of $399 for Retrospect for Windows Business Editions, and $129 for Retrospect Professional Edition designed for Small Office/Home Office environments. Special upgrade pricing is also available for earlier versions of Retrospect and competitive replacements.
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December 19, 2013 December 28, 2016 cryptosmith
Multics was flawless?
Last week I participated in a very geeky panel discussion about a now-defunct standard for computer system security: the TCSEC. I showed some charts and diagrams about costs, error rates, and adoption of government-sponsored programs for evaluating computer security. During the panel, some audience members made the following claim:
“After its evaluation, Multics never needed a security patch.”
I admit I find this hard to believe, and it’s not consistent with my own Multics experience. However, most of my Multics experience predated the evaluation. So I ask: does anyone know if Multics had a security patch after its B2 TCSEC evaluation?
[see newer posting; also, I’ve added links below to Multics information on line]
Aside from random earlier pokes at Multics while doing ARPANET maintenance in the late ’70s, I never really used Multics until I worked at Honeywell in the early 1980s. Since Multics was a Honeywell product, we generally installed the latest and greatest Multics version on our site. After I left Honeywell, I re-encountered Multics through NSA’s DOCKMASTER system. This system was pretty well locked down so I can’t say much about whether it was security patched or not. No doubt the answer to that question exceeds the default security clearance of this blog’s readership.
People were comfortable with Multics security, but I vaguely remember people referring to unexpected problems that were found and fixed. Even then, before the official Multics security evaluation, people felt that Multics was a secure, well-designed system. But I don’t remember people believing that it would never, ever require patching.
I don’t think it’s possible to leave a security system unpatched indefinitely. While it’s true that the system might in be flawless in some formal sense, it doesn’t operate in a formal world. A practical view of security doesn’t factor out its informal aspects. Those aspects hide the cracks that any sensible attacker will exploit.
Online Multics Resources
[added to the original article in late 2016]
Multicians – a web site to publish materials about Multics and to loosely connect people who have a history with Multics. Curated by Multics developer Tom Van Vleck.
Multics Wiki – a clearinghouse for information on the emulator-based versions of Multics.
Multics manuals online – saved in PDF at Bitsavers.
The modern Multics community contains three groups: an aging population of original Multics users, people fascinated with ancient computer history, and others who have started working with the emulator. There is some overlap, of course. The Multics emulator project relies heavily on the contributions and encouragement of some original Multics users. And some original users, like me, are fascinated by computer history.
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Tag: where can I find venetian cuisine in Connecitcut?
Vetting the Venetian Restaurant in Torrington
December 31, 2014 January 4, 2015 ~ ctsnapshot ~ Leave a comment
We believe reviewers have the responsibility of being both thorough and honest in their content. Long before we started CT Snapshot, Christina and I frequented websites such as Yelp and Urban Spoon to help us find the best places to eat in Connecticut. The reviewers who posted thorough and honest content proved the most helpful. As bloggers, we have the responsibility to do the same for our readers given our platform and reach. When we visited the Venetian restaurant in Torrington back in October we knew that we owed it to our readers to tell the truth about our experience.
The Venetian Restaurant is the only one of its kind in the state of Connecticut. It was started by Italian immigrants in 1960 and developed a reputation as a renowned restaurant since then. We respect and appreciate the legacy of this restaurant because of our adoration for history and our love for stories about the American Dream. Like the DilLullo family, our grandparents and great grandparents immigrated to this country to contribute something beautiful and meaningful. The original owners of this restaurant undoubtedly made this contribution to the town of Torrington. A place with such a great legacy, however, must be maintained by people who love and care for it throughout the years. Unfortunately, the Venetian restaurant failed to capture our hearts due to poor service and mediocre cuisine.
The Venetian Restaurant
Location: 52 East Main Street, Torrington, CT 06790
Grade: C
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Atmosphere: 9/10-When we stepped inside the Venetian Restaurant, we noticed that the owners were making a considerable effort to immerse the customers in the culture of Venice. The paintings on wall were indicative of the city throughout the ages. The fancifully decorated tables showed a willingness to make customers believe that they were receiving a fine dining experience. The paintings on the wall spoke to my own experience in Venice. This particular painting (shown to the left) reminded me of my first gondola ride, minus the men in clothing of a different era. Others paintings reminded me of the beauty of Venice at any time of year.
Price/Selection: 8/10-The menu items are borderline expensive, but this is not out of the ordinary for Italian restaurants. Many Italian restaurants across the state of Connecticut tend to charge upwards of twenty dollars or more per menu item. While the restaurant’s seafood dishes average $20 or more, pasta dishes cost no more than $17. The Venetian Restaurant also offers a theatre menu for people attending a show at the Warner Theatre. This speaks to their awareness of their customers’ needs and makes them a viable option for theatre goers on a tight schedule.
Service: 5/10-The service is what soured our experience. We fully realize that one waiter or waitress is not representative of every staff member at a restaurant. One waiter or waitress, nonetheless, can leave a lasting impression on any customer. Our waitress first showed us an awareness of our needs. We asked for the show menu and she informed us that she would serve our food in a timely fashion. From there on, our waitress berated us with rude comments such as “make up your mind” and “I’m going to bring you a vase of water because you’re drinking a lot” instead of asking us if we wanted one. She also scoffed at us when we thanked her for bringing us our check. We were saddened that we treated our waitress with the utmost respect and she showed us none in return.
Taste: 7.5/10-We wanted to enjoy our fish and pasta cuisines, but they left much to be desired. These dishes were nicely decorated and assembled in a way that speaks to the chef’s culinary talent. We were excited to try our dishes because we read numerous reviews that described them as “savory” and “delicious.” While the dishes offered a palatable texture, they lacked the savory quality we had expected. They satisfied our hunger, but left us wondering about the delicious Venetian cuisine that oh so many customers have spoken of over the years.
In a nutshell-29.5/40-In our experience, The Venetian Restaurant fell short of its established legacy. We are open minded people and would be willing to give it a second chance, but unfortunately the service and food soured our first impression of the restaurant. We hope that if any staff members from the restaurant ever read this review, they will remember to value their customers and honor the restaurant’s great legacy. We encourage you to experience The Venetian Restaurant for yourselves and tell us if it measures up to your expectations of it.
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Agitátorok (The agitators) — Magyar, Dezsö — Hungary — 1986
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World Potato Congress and related events highlight Scientific Advances and Elevate the spud’s Profile
Tubers were the talk of the town in Cusco, Peru during the week of May 27, when the 10th World Potato Congress (WPC) and the
CIP recognized with award of excellence at the International Pest Management Symposium
The International Potato Center (CIP for its acronym in Spanish) was recognized with an International IPM Award of Excellence at the 9th International Symposium on
CIP Genebank head Dr. David Ellis honored with Crop Trust Legacy Award
The Crop Trust, an international organization that supports crop germplasm conservation, recently honored Dr. David Ellis, the head of the International Potato Center (CIP) Genebank and
2016 World Food Prize co-winner receives M.S. Swaminathan Award for Environment Protection, India
Dr. Maria Isabel Andrade, International Potato Center (CIP) Senior Sweetpotato Breeder, and 2016 World Food Prize co-winner has been awarded the M.S. Swaminathan Award for Environment Protection. The award is a recognition of her seminal role played as a development economist and agricultural development expert over three decades of work.
CIP sweetpotato scientists awarded the prestigious World Food Prize
“The World Food Prize, announced that the 2016 World Food Prize will be awarded to three International Potato Center (CIP) Scientists, Drs. Jan Low, Maria Andrade, and Robert Mwanga and HarvestPlus’ Dr. Howarth Bouis.”
CIP scientist wins best poster award at the Agricultural Biosciences International Conference (ABIC) 2014
A CIP scientist, Mr. Kwame Ogero, was awarded the best poster prize in the Environment/Food Security category in the just concluded Agricultural Biosciences International Conference (ABIC) 2014.
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Orange County Stay at Home Order Press Release
1/13/2021 COVID-19 Vaccinations at Disneyland Resort Super POD Site by Appointment Only
Individuals without appointments, even if they are within an eligible group, are urged not to come to the Disneyland Resort Super POD vaccination site without an appointment.
Overwhelming the POD (point of distribution) system will make it even more challenging to dispense the limited supply of vaccine currently available. As vaccine becomes more plentiful, additional appointments will become available, and all eligible individuals will receive vaccine.
The County’s three existing POD sites were overwhelmed by individuals without appointments today, effectively shutting down the vaccination sites. It is critical for people to understand that appointment slots are available based on vaccine availability. Showing up without an appointment stresses the system and depletes scarce resources.
We know the public is anxious to receive the vaccine and we are working diligently to receive additional supplies. Appointments will be available as soon as the vaccine supply exists to meet that demand.
All residents are encouraged to register to be notified when the County of Orange’s vaccine and testing management app, Othena, has appointments available and is ready for their use by visiting https://othena.com/individuals.php and filling out the online form.
To learn more about the County’s Phased Distribution plan, please visit www.COVIDVaccineFacts.com.
The full text of the release can be found at https://mailchi.mp/ochca/disneysuperpod
1/12/2021 County of Orange Announces First Regional COVID-19 Super POD at Disneyland Resort
In a vital step to help battle the spread of COVID-19, the County of Orange has established the first large Point-of-Dispensing (POD) site to provide COVID-19 vaccines to residents at Disneyland Resort in Anaheim.
Known as “Super POD” sites, the five regional Super PODs will have the capacity to vaccinate thousands of residents each day. The Super PODs will increase efficiency and provide multiple vaccine distribution points throughout Orange County. The County will announce additional Super POD sites as agreements are finalized.
Vaccine distribution is managed through a phased, tiered approach established by the California Department of Public Health (CDPH). Currently, vaccinations are available to Orange County residents and those who work in Orange County who meet the criteria for what is referred to as “Phase 1a, all tiers.” This group includes law enforcement first responders in high-risk communities and was recently expanded to include those age 75 and older. We are excited to serve this group as a priority population. The County is working in collaboration with community partners to create a process that reaches seniors close to home and best serves these individuals.
Please refer to these CDPH links for a complete list of eligible groups:
• https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/CDPH-Allocation-Guidelines-for-COVID-19-Vaccine-During-Phase-1A-Recommendations.aspx
• https://covid19.ca.gov/essential-workforce/
The first Super POD at the Disneyland Resort will be operational later this week. Most of those eligible to be vaccinated in Phase 1a will be contacted through their employer to schedule an appointment via a third-party app developed in cooperation with the County of Orange.
Only those identified under Phase 1a who have an appointment will receive a vaccination at the County’s new Super POD locations. Individuals with appointments must provide identification and documentation of vaccine eligibility at the site. Walk-ups without an appointment cannot be accommodated. Given the limited initial supply of the COVID-19 vaccine, distribution will be limited at first and increased over time. The phased, tiered approach to vaccine distribution aims to reach critical populations to reduce morbidity and mortality rates due to the transmission of COVID-19.
Those interested in receiving the COVID-19 vaccine can view the phased tiers of eligibility and other important vaccination information at OC Health Care Agency’s website, www.COVIDVaccineFacts.com. The success of the vaccination distribution plan and the Super POD sites is dependent on everyone understanding where they fall in the phased, tiered plan. Individuals attempting to receive a vaccine ahead of schedule will overload the system, making it even more challenging to meet this urgent need. We appreciate the public’s patience and understanding.
The County, through its “Operation Independence,” established a goal of completing all county vaccinations by July 4, 2021. An Incident Management Team (IMT) was established on December 31, 2020, for Operation Independence. The Operation Independence IMT is a unified command with representatives from the Orange County Health Care Agency, the Orange County Fire Authority, the County of Orange County Executive Office (CEO) and other County agencies.
For questions related to COVID-19, visit http://www.ochealthinfo.com/novelcoronavirus,
1/9/2021 Coronavirus Response Update
The Orange County Health Agency is preparing for the wide-release of the COVID vaccine later this year, and are looking to pre-register volunteers interested in assisting government staff with the effort.
Visit https://volunteers.oneoc.org/special-event/a182I000007VTf2 for more information.
Please read this important media release from the County of Orange, "County of Orange Activates Incident Management Team, Plans for Regional COVID-19 Vaccine Supersites."
The full text of the release can be found at https://cms.ocgov.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=118858
County of Orange Activates Incident Management Team, Plans for Regional COVID-19 Vaccine Supersites
Santa Ana, Calif. (January 7, 2021) – The County of Orange is proactively leading Orange County’s response to COVID-19. The next critical phase is providing the vaccine to residents in a phased, tiered approach.
The County’s effort, named Operation Independence, has the objective of setting up regional vaccine points of dispensing (POD). Due to the scope and size of these PODs, based on the high demand for vaccines, these sites are being referred to as County Super PODs. The Super PODs are expected to dispense thousands of vaccines each day once they are fully operational.
The County is anticipating the need for at least five Super PODs that will be brought online as they are approved, staffed, and have COVID-19 vaccines available. The location of the County Super POD sites are in development, and will be announced as they are finalized. Once finalized, the County Super POD sites will be opened in a phased approach and will be located regionally throughout Orange County.
Currently, vaccinations are being provided to Orange County residents and those who work in Orange County that fall within Phase 1a, all tiers. Vaccines will be dispensed at County Super PODs only to Orange County residents and those who work in Orange County who qualify. A vaccine will not be delivered unless identification and documentation of vaccine eligibility are presented at the site. To view a list of who is eligible to receive a vaccine, visit the OC Health Care Agency website https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/phased-approach-vaccine-distribution.
An Incident Management Team (IMT) was established on December 31, 2020 for Operation Independence. The Operation Independence IMT is a unified command with representatives from the Orange County Health Care Agency, the Orange County Fire Authority, the County of Orange County Executive Office (CEO) and other County agencies.
For questions related to COVID-19, visit http://www.ochealthinfo.com/novelcoronavirus, or follow the HCA on Facebook (@ochealthinfo) and Twitter (@ochealth).
1/6/2021 California Small Business COVID-19 Relief Grant Program
The State of California has extended the deadline to apply for a COVID-19 small businesses relief grant to 11:59 pm, January 13, 2021.
The amount of grant funding ranges from $5,000 to $25,000, and eligibility is based on a businesses' annual revenue, as documented in their most recent tax return.
Orange County businesses can apply through one of the local Partner Agencies: https://careliefgrant.com/partner/orange/
For more information on the small business grants, go to www.careliefgrant.com
12/30/2020 Extension of Stay at Home Order
Please read this important media release from the Orange County Health Care Agency, "State of California Announces Extension of Southern California Region’s Stay-at-Home Order." Click here to read the full text of the release.
The County of Orange, along with 10 other Southern California Counties, were originally placed under the State’s Regional Stay-at-Home Order on December 3, 2020. The text of the Dec.3 Order can be found at www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/12.3.20-Stay-at-Home-Order-ICU-Scenario.pdf
For more information, visit the County's COVID-19 information pages a https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-except-for-essential-needs/
12-25-2020 OC Health Care Agency
The Orange County Health Care Agency has updated its COVID-19 website, which now includes information on the phased vaccine distribution plan. Visit https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/phased-approach-vaccine-distribution.
12-18-2020 Recommendations for Residential Care Facilities
Please read this important media release from the County of Orange, “County Health Officers Orders and Strong Recommendations For Residential Care Facilities for the Elderly,” which now includes revised guidance and recommendations issued by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) (December 10, 2020) and the State Public Health Officer (December 14, 2020).
Click here to read the full press release.
12-17-2020 On the Front Lines
As one of the major centers of health and medicine in the County, Orange home to St. Joseph Hospital, CHOC Children’s Hospital, UCI Medical Center, Chapman Global Medical Center, and so many others. The thousands of dedicated health professionals employed by these organizations, and their support teams, have been serving on the front lines of the COVID-19 pandemic since the first case was discovered in Orange County back in January. They have worked tirelessly, day by day, patient by patient, to provide world-class care to the ever growing numbers of patients afflicted with the coronavirus.
As we approach the end of 2020, and the promise of a better 2021 as the vaccine begins distribution, we would ask our entire community to join with us in showing our appreciation to our City of Orange medical facilities, doctors, nurses, specialists, and the numerous other professions and support personnel. While 2020 has been full of adversity and challenges, they have been our beacons of hope. We, the City of Orange, offer our most sincere thanks.
Please remember that there is still a long road to travel before we can finally declare victory over COVID-19. If you would like to show your appreciation to our local medical professionals, there are several ways you can help:
UCI Medical Center is setting-up a Mobile Field Hospital on the Center’s grounds to care for the sharp increase in COVID related admissions that is anticipated over the next few weeks. They are looking for organizations or individuals who can feed the 45 people per day who are working to deploy the MFE from Sunday, 12/20 to Tuesday, 12/22. If you, or someone you know, have the ability to fulfill this need, please contact Nathan Tabita, UCI Health, at ntabita@hs.uci.edu.
COVID-19 sanitation and safety guidelines require all food donations be single portions in individual containers, “grab and go” style. No buffet or family style meals, please.
Our other Hospitals are also looking for donations of food to feed their medical and support staffs. It’s an outstanding way to show appreciation for them. If you do not own a restaurant, consider contacting one of our local restaurants and funding meals through them.
If you can help, please contact the numbers below:
St Joseph Hospital: (714) 347-7900
UCI Health: Jbrothma@hs.uci.edu or ntabita@hs.uci.edu
CHOC Children’s: chochcc@choc.org or (714) 509-4308 / (714)-509-4158
Chapman Global: jen.chandler@kpchealth.com or (714) 450-1811
Local Health Care System Update 12/15/20
OC Health Care Agency Deploys Mobile Field Hospitals to Help Alleviate COVID-19 Burden on the Local Health Care System
(Santa Ana, CA) — The OC Health Care Agency will deploy mobile field hospitals (MFHs) to local hospitals this week to support the Orange County (OC) health care system as it responds to a surge in COVID-19 patients. OC hospitals may receive emergency waivers from the California Department of Public Health to request the use of the MFH facilities.
MFHs are capable of expanding current hospital capacity by adding additional beds to existing grounds. They are housed in large, semi-type trailers and contain heavy duty canvas tents with hard flooring and temperature-controlled units equipped with running water, toilets and showers, generators and lighting, as well as air purifiers. MFHs can be configured in a myriad of footprints and sizes, and the HCA has a total of 8 trailers to support at minimum, 200 patient beds.
The MFHs can be used for numerous COVID-19 mitigation activities such as expanding emergency department capacity and med-surge or specialty care unit beds, mass vaccination facilities, and more. Each identified hospital is charged with using the MFH in a manner that best suits their facility. The following OC hospitals have requested this resource from the HCA and have already activated their surge plans:
• Fountain Valley Regional Hospital — 50 beds
• St. Jude Medical Center, Fullerton — 25 beds
• University of California, Irvine — 50 beds
Read the full release at https://mailchi.mp/ochca/mfhs
Coronavirus Response Update 12/9/2020
Please read this very important Media Release from the Orange County Health Care Agency, “County of Orange Expands At-Home, Saliva-Based COVID-19 Testing to All Orange County Residents.”
Read the full release by clicking here.
County of Orange Expands At-Home, Saliva-Based COVID-19 Testing to All Orange County Residents
(Santa Ana, CA) — The OC Health Care Agency (HCA) has launched phase 2 of its at-home, saliva-based COVID-19 testing program with Ambry Genetics for all Orange County residents.
The County’s phase 1 at-home test kit program began on November 23, 2020 and continued through December 6th, during which approximately 12,000 kits were made available to cities hit hardest by the pandemic — Santa Ana and Anaheim. After reviewing utilization data from the initial success of phase 1, the Orange County Board of Supervisors Testing Ad Hoc Committee recommended that the HCA make this free testing service immediately available countywide.
Those who live in Orange County may visit ochealthinfo.com/covidtest and register to receive a test kit shipped directly to their home at no cost. Ambry Genetics is able to process 4,000 tests each day with a 48 hour turnaround time for notification of results.
Ambry’s CARE for COVID Program was developed with the latest guidance from federal agencies, including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and is an end-to-end screening, testing, and result-management solution. It includes:
Ambry’s AVA™ virtual assistant supporting an online health questionnaire
Online determination of essential worker status or medical necessity criteria (symptoms/exposure, etc.) that enables insurance billing or uninsured third-party billing for the test, ensuring there is no cost for the resident
A HIPAA compliant software that enables users to register their test kit
Medical provider ordered-testing and supervision (including return and review of results)
Viral testing by Ambry’s RT-PCR test using saliva collection for a simpler and more convenient experience than nasopharyngeal swabs commonly used by other labs
Most results reported directly through the CARE platform within 24 hours of receipt of the sample by the lab
If an online order is placed for a kit by 1 p.m. Pacific Time Monday through Friday, the kit will arrive the next day. For orders placed after 1 p.m. Pacific Time on Friday, or any time on Saturday or Sunday, the kit will arrive the following Tuesday. The Ambry Genetics lab receives kits every Monday through Saturday, runs testing, and reports out test results 7 days a week.
For more information, please visit ochealthinfo.com/covidtest
Please read this very important Media Release from the Orange County Health Care Agency on the “County of Orange Prepares for First Allocation of COVID-19 Vaccine.”
County of Orange Prepares for First Allocation of COVID-19 Vaccine
OC Health Care Agency Ready to Receive 25,350 Doses on December 15, 2020
(Santa Ana, CA) — County of Orange health officials were notified by the California Department of Public Health (CDPH) on December 1, 2020 that the OC Health Care Agency (HCA) should make preparations to receive 25,350 doses of Pfizer-manufactured COVID-19 vaccine on December 15, 2020. The HCA will distribute this initial supply to Orange County (OC) hospitals for prioritization of their high-risk health care workers as part of Phase 1a of a multi-phased plan developed through the CDPH Community Vaccine Advisory Committee.
Though Phase 1a prioritizes health care workers, local hospitals will need to determine which segments of their employee population are at higher risk for contracting the virus due to this limited quantity. This may include those who work in emergency departments or intensive care units. The HCA will provide the first shipment to Orange County (OC) hospitals that are prepared and ready to administer the vaccines.
The HCA is currently assessing readiness, which includes enrollment in the State of California’s COVID Readi system and ability to safely store, transport and administer the vaccines in compliance with the vaccine manufacturer’s recommendations. Additionally, hospitals must attest that they have a plan to distribute all vaccine doses within 5 days of receipt.
This first shipment is one of several in a planned allotment of Phase 1a doses from the CDPH if the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approves an Emergency Use Authorization for the vaccines. The additional doses, which are expected to be a combination of Pfizer and Moderna-manufactured vaccines, are slated to arrive by the end of the month if this approval is granted.
As more doses of vaccine become available, a greater portion of the Phase 1a population can anticipate vaccine availability in late December into early 2021. This includes residents of long-term care facilities, which includes skilled nursing facilities and assisted living facilities, who will coordinate obtaining doses through national retail pharmacies being supplied by the CDC. COVID-19 vaccine is likely to become more readily accessible to the general public in the spring of 2021.
For more information, please visit CovidVaccineFacts.com.
To view the CDPH Community Vaccine Advisory Committee’s Phase 1a Guidelines for California Local Health Departments, please visit https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/CDPH%20Document%20Library/COVID-19/Community-Vaccine-Advisory-Committee-presentation_11-30-2020v6.pdf.
12/05/2020 State Of California Announces New Measures Stay at Home Order Now in Effect in Southern California
Please read this very important Media Advisory (below and attached) from the Orange County Health Care Agency on the triggering of the State of California's Regional Stay-at-Home Order. You can read the Order by CLICKING HERE.
MEDIA ADVISORY FROM THE ORANGE COUNTY HEALTH CARE AGENCY
Southern California Region Impacted by State’s Regional Stay-at-Home Order
Residents, Businesses and Events Must Comply Within 24 Hours
Today the Southern California Region dropped below the 15 percent Intensive Care Unit (ICU) capacity thereby triggering the state of California’s “Regional Stay-at-Home Order” as was announced on December 3, 2020 by Governor Gavin Newsom.
As a result, Orange County residents – along with residents of the other 10 Southern California Region counties comprising approximately 23 million of 40 million California residents as designated in the state’s Regional Stay-at-Home Order – will be required to stay at home as much as possible and not mix with other households to reduce exposure, effective 11:59 pm Sunday, December 6 due to our regional ICU capacity reaching 12.5 percent. The current ICU capacity in Orange County is 18.1 percent.
As a result of the state’s Regional Stay-in-Home Order, all Southern California Region counties including Orange County must close the following sectors on 11:59 pm Sunday, December 6:
• Indoor and Outdoor Playgrounds
•Indoor Recreational Facilities
•Hair Salons and Barbershops
•Personal Care Services
•Museums, Zoos, and Aquariums
•Movie Theaters
•Wineries
•Bars, Breweries, and Distilleries
•Family Entertainment Centers
•Cardrooms and Satellite Wagering
•Limited Services
•Live Audience Sports
•Amusement Parks
The following sectors in the Southern California Region will have additional modifications in addition to 100 percent masking and physical distancing:
•Outdoor Recreational Facilities: Allow outdoor operation only without any food,
drink or alcohol sales. Additionally, overnight stays at campgrounds will not be
permitted.
•Retail: Allow indoor operation at 20 percent capacity with entrance metering and
no eating or drinking in the stores. Additionally, special hours should be instituted
for seniors and others with chronic conditions or compromised immune systems.
•Shopping Centers: Allow indoor operation at 20 percent capacity with entrance
metering and no eating or drinking in the stores. Additionally, special hours should be instituted for seniors and others with chronic conditions or compromised immune systems.
•Hotels and Lodging: Allow to open for critical infrastructure support only.
•Restaurants: Allow only for take-out, pick-up or delivery.
•Offices: Allow remote only except for critical infrastructure sectors where remote working is not possible.
•Places of Worship: Allow outdoor services only.
•Entertainment Production including Professional Sports: Allow operation
without live audiences. Additionally, testing protocol and “bubbles” are highly encouraged.
The state Stay-at-Home Order does not modify existing state guidance regarding K-12 schools.
The following sectors are allowed to remain open in the Southern California Region when a remote option is not possible with appropriate infectious disease preventative measures including masking and physical distancing:
•Critical infrastructure
•Non-urgent medical and dental care
•Childcare and pre-K
The Southern California Region will remain in the Regional Stay-at-Home Order status for at least three weeks. The Southern California Region may come out of the Stay-at- Home Order after three weeks, if at that time, hospital ICU capacity projected four weeks out reaches 15 percent. Then individual counties such as Orange County will return to our Blueprint for a Safer Economy tier determined by their case rate and test positivity. If the ICU capacity for the Southern California Region is less than 15 percent after the three-week period, the ICU capacity will be assessed weekly to determine when the order can be lifted.
In addition, the state’s Stay-at-Home will place the following restrictions on counties in the Southern California Region on non-essential travel lodging:
•Except as otherwise required by law, no hotel or lodging entity in California shall accept or honor out of state reservations for non-essential travel, unless the
reservation is for at least the minimum time period required for quarantine and the persons identified in the reservation will quarantine in the hotel or lodging entity until after that time period has expired.
During this time, the state Stay-at-Home order encourages members of the same household are to maintain physical and mental health by safely going to a park, hike, walk or bike ride when safe to do so and socially distanced. Orange County residents are also encouraged to keep connected with loved ones virtually.
For more information, visit the state’s COVID-19 website, https://covid19.ca.gov
What Orange County Residents and Businesses Can Do
There are several steps Orange County residents can do at this time:
1. Get Tested for COVID-19
The OC Health Care Agency officials are urging residents, especially those with any symptoms, to get tested for the virus.
COVID-19 testing is now widely available across the county for those who are symptomatic or asymptomatic, with or without insurance, at no cost. Testing takes only a few minutes and results generally come back within two to three days.
If you test positive for COVID-19, stay home and let close contacts know. A close contact is someone you were within 6 feet for at least 15 minutes within a 24-hour period during the infectious period.
2. Stay Home if You Don’t Feel Well
Consult with a health care provider. If you do not have a health care provider, please call the OC Health Care Agency’s Health Referral Line at 1(800) 564- 8448.
3. Stay Home When Possible
When you leave the house, avoid crowds and stay 6 feet apart from people not in your household.
4. Do Not Gather. Do not mix households at this time.
5. Wear a Face Covering
Wear a face covering you are around people not in your household, especially when indoors.
6. Wash Your Hands Often
7. Avoid Touching Your Eyes, Nose and Mouth with Unwashed Hands
8. Clean and Disinfect Frequently Touched Surfaces
9. Understand and Comply with the State’s Guideline for Your Business and Events
Orange County residents may search for a business or activity type by visiting https://covid19.ca.gov/safer-economy and typing in “Orange” in the County field, entering the business or activity type, and clicking, “GET LATEST STATUS.”
For questions related to COVID-19, contact the Orange County COVID-19 Hotline at 1(833) 426-6411, visit http://www.ochealthinfo.com/novelcoronavirus, or follow the HCA on Facebook (@ochealthinfo) and Twitter (@ochealth).
12/03/2020 State Of California Announces New Measures
The State of California has just announced new measures to combat the increasing spread of the COVID-19 virus:
Regional Stay Home Order:
The Regional Stay Home Order, announced December 3, will go into effect promptly in regions with less than 15% ICU availability. It prohibits private gatherings of any size, closes sector operations except for critical infrastructure and retail, and requires 100% masking and physical distancing in all others.
The Governor has indicated that the Southern California Region, which includes Orange County, in eminent in moving to the Regional Stay at Home Order. Please watch our social media channels for updates.
Once in place, the order will remain in effect for at least 3 weeks and, after that period, will be lifted when a region’s projected ICU capacity meets or exceeds 15%. This will be assessed on a weekly basis after the initial 3 week period. Learn more about this order.
The state released a map of five regions and their current ICU capacity, as well as projected dates when regions will fall below the 15 percent threshold. The regions are:
• Northern California: Del Norte, Glenn, Humboldt, Lake, Lassen, Mendocino, Modoc, Shasta, Siskiyou, Tehama, Trinity • Bay Area: Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin, Monterey, Napa, San Francisco, San Mateo, Santa Clara, Santa Cruz, Solano, Sonoma • Greater Sacramento: Alpine, Amador, Butte, Colusa, El Dorado, Nevada, Placer, Plumas, Sacramento, Sierra, Sutter, Yolo, Yuba • San Joaquin Valley: Calaveras, Fresno, Kern, Kings, Madera, Mariposa, Merced, San Benito, San Joaquin, Stanislaus, Tulare, Tuolumne • Southern California: Imperial, Inyo, Los Angeles, Mono, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara, Ventura https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-except-for-essential-needs/
The Regional Stay Home Order would be in effect for 3 weeks after the trigger and instructs Calfornians to stay at home as much as possible to limit the mixing with other households that can lead to COVID-19 spread. It allows access to (and travel for) critical services and allows outdoor activities to preserve Californians’ physical and mental health. This limited closure will help stop the surge and prevent overwhelming regional ICU capacity.
In any region that triggers a Regional Stay Home Order because it drops below 15% ICU capacity, the following sectors must close: • Indoor and outdoor playgrounds • Indoor recreational facilities • Hair salons and barbershops • Personal care services • Museums, zoos, and aquariums • Movie theaters • Wineries • Bars, breweries, and distilleries • Family entertainment centers • Cardrooms and satellite wagering • Limited services • Live audience sports • Amusement parks
The following sectors will have additional modifications in addition to 100% masking and physical distancing:
• Outdoor recreational facilities: Allow outdoor operation only without any food, drink or alcohol sales. Additionally, overnight stays at campgrounds will not be permitted.
• Retail: Allow indoor operation at 20% capacity with entrance metering and no eating or drinking in the stores. Additionally, special hours should be instituted for seniors and others with chronic conditions or compromised immune systems. • Shopping centers: Allow indoor operation at 20% capacity with entrance metering and no eating or drinking in the stores. Additionally, special hours should be instituted for seniors and others with chronic conditions or compromised immune systems.
• Hotels and lodging: Allow to open for critical infrastructure support only.
• Restaurants: Allow only for take-out, pick-up, or delivery.
• Offices: Allow remote only except for critical infrastructure sectors where remote working is not possible. • Places of worship and political expression: Allow outdoor services only.
• Entertainment production including professional sports: Allow operation without live audiences. Additionally, testing protocol and “bubbles” are highly encouraged.
The following sectors are allowed to remain open when a remote option is not possible with appropriate infectious disease preventative measures including 100% masking and physical distancing:
• Critical infrastructure
• Schools that are already open for in-person learning • Non-urgent medical and dental care • Child care and pre-K
Learn more about this order. https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-except-for-essential-needs/
COVID-19 Read More Updates
11/20/2020 Update: California Limited Stay at Home Order
The California Department of Public Health has posted an FAQ page explaining the Limited Stay at Home Order. To read them, click here.
As a reminder, the Order issued November 19 directs that non-essential work and gatherings must stop from 10 pm - 5 am in counties in the Purple Tier, which includes Orange County. This will take effect at 10 pm on Saturday, November 21 and remain in effect until December 21, 2020. To read the full order click here.
11/19/2020 California Limited Stay at Home Order
Per the State of California, a Limited Stay at Home Order has been issued by the California Department of Public Health. Non-essential work and gatherings must stop from 10 pm - 5 am in counties in the Purple Tier, which includes Orange County. This will take effect at 10 pm on Saturday and remain in effect until December 21, 2020.
To read the full order, click here.
11/17/2020 Orange County moves to Purple Tier
Please read this important media release from the County of Orange on the moving of Orange County to the State’s COVID “Blueprint for A Safer Economy” more restrictive Purple Tier.
Under Purple Tier status, bars where no meals are provided are to be closed, and restaurants will once again be outdoor service only. There are several other sectors which will be limited to outdoors only in the Purple Tier. For a list of sectors impacted with returning to Purple Tier, click here.
Guidance for Schools: Under the Purple Tier, K-12 schools that have NOT reopened for in-person instruction will have to remain online. K-12 schools that are currently in a phase-in process to re-open, i.e. within a single campus some grade levels have re-opened while the remaining scheduled to re-open in the next weeks or months, will have to submit a request to continue with CCICOVIDSchools@ochca.com. However, K-12 schools that have fully reopened prior to today for in-person instruction are not required to close. Higher education institutions under the Purple Tier must close indoor lectures and student gatherings. Some courses conducted in certain indoor settings, like labs for essential workers and studio arts, may be open.
In order to reduce the spread of COVID-19, which is the key to moving out of the Purple Tier, it is critical that people wear a face coverings whenever they are in public. Face coverings should be worn when gathering with people you don’t live with, this includes close friends and family members who do not reside with you. As always, frequent hand washing, social distancing, and limiting contact with those not in your immediate household are your best defense against COVID-19.
To see the State’s entire “Blueprint”, click here.
To read the original media release, click here.
11/12/2020 The most effective way to prevent the spread.
The County of Orange Health Care Agency reminds everyone that the most effective way to prevent the spread of COVID-19 is to follow 3 basic rules:
3. Remain 6 feet apart from other people
For more information, please visit OC Health at www.ochealthinfo.com/protecteachother
11/05/2020 County of Orange Free Flu Vaccines
The County of Orange Health Care Agency is making free flu vaccines (for residents ages 3-and-up) available at the Anaheim Convention Center on Saturday, November 7.
OC Health is urging everyone to take the flu vaccine during the COVID-19 pandemic as a precautionary measure.
An appointment is required, and you can reserve your spot at https://360.epiconnector.com/fluvaccines
For more information, please visit OC Health at www.ochealthinfo.com/
10/21/2020 Covid-19 Vaccine Survey
The County of Orange Health Care Agency is asking for community input to assist in the planning for distribution of the COVID-19 vaccine, when it becomes available. You can participate, and take their survey at www.research.net/r/covidvaccine_English.
For more information on the County’s COVID-19 efforts, please visit OC Health at https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com
10/15/2020 The City of Orange Employee Retention Grant Program
The small businesses in our community are struggling during this unprecedented pandemic. In order to provide short-term relief, the City is still providing Employee Retention Grants to local businesses that qualify.
The Employee Retention Grant program allows qualified small businesses to receive up-to $20,000 in grant funds, which are then to be used to retain their low and moderate-income level employees for at least 90 days. Businesses must meet certain criteria to be eligible, including that they be physically located in Orange, not be part of a chain or franchise, and currently be employing between 2-50 people. Please visit the Employee Retention Grant page at www.cityoforange.org/2033/Employee-Retention-Grant for the complete list of qualifications, and how to apply.
The Small Business Assistance Program Employee Retention Grant is funded by a Community Development Block Grant.
10/07/2020 OC Health Care Agency on the importance of receiving the flu vaccine
OC Health Care Agency Wants Everyone to Get a Flu Shot County makes sure getting the vaccine is easy and free (Santa Ana, CA) – With flu season now upon us, the OC Health Care Agency is already anticipating the potentially devastating effects of a double whammy of influenza and COVID-19 cases hitting in the fall and winter months and urges everyone to get a flu shot.
Recognizing all of the things that people are worried about such as paying bills and dealing with the stress of social isolation due to COVID-19, the County is launching a flu vaccine campaign designed to encourage people to get their flu shot so they have one less thing to think about.
The flu vaccine will be available as a shot or mist form at the Family Health Clinics by appointment only 8 - 11:30 a.m. and 1- 4 p.m. Mondays to Fridays. Clinics are closed 11:30 a.m.- 1 p.m. People who live in Orange County should call 1-800-914-4887 for locations and an appointment. There will also be flu pop-up clinics throughout the community that will be listed on the ochealthinfo.com/getyourflushot website.
“Cooler weather is coming, and we know that when people spend more time indoors and have closer contact with each other, germs spread much more quickly,” said Dr. Clayton Chau, Director of the OC Health Care Agency and County Health Officer. “It is critical that everyone over 6 months old get a flu shot to decrease the incidence of influenza in the community and to ease the stress on the healthcare system when both viruses are likely to be circulating.”
To find out more about the flu vaccine, go to ochealthinfo.com/getyourflushot.
09/26/2020 Orange County’s Mayors: ‘Mask up to open up OC!’
Please read this important media release from the 34 Mayors of Orange County with a message to residents, businesses and visitors: “Mask up to open up OC!”
"As Orange County’s COVID-19 case numbers and testing positivity rates continue a dramatic decline, we’re moving toward gradual reopening of more businesses and activities.
But, as we do so, wearing masks will be more important than ever to ensure we maintain our progress, keep our cases low and prevent another shutdown."
Click here to watch the video on Youtube.
To read the original media release online, go to https://californiamayorscoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Mask-PSA-9.25.20.pdf
09/15/20 Street Sweeping Enforcement to Resume October 5
Beginning Monday, October 5, the City will again be enforcing street sweeping parking restrictions. Vehicles parked on the street in violation of posted "No Parking" restrictions on street sweeping days will receive a citation.
If you have questions about trash collection or street sweeping, please contact our contractor, CR&R, at (714) 372-8272.
9/8/20 Blueprint for A Safer Economy
Please read this important media release from the County of Orange on the moving of Orange County to the State’s COVID “Blueprint for A Safer Economy” Red Tier.
To see the entire “Blueprint”, click here.
To see what each tier allows, click here.
To read the original media release, visit https://cms.ocgov.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=117643
8/26/2020 Covid-19 Testing Site
Please read this important media release on the opening of a second COVID-19 testing supersite at the Fairgrounds in Costa Mesa today, August 26.
The Costa Mesa Supersite will operate Mondays – Fridays from 7 a.m. to 3 p.m. Appointments are required, and may be reserved at https://360clinic.fulgentgenetics.com/appointment/screen/landing. For more information about testing, as well as other testing sites across Orange County, visit ochealthinfo.com/covidtest.
8/24/2020 Orange County has been removed from Monitoring list
According to the OC Health Care Agency, Orange County has been removed from the State of California’s COVID-19 monitoring list due to our progress in slowing the spread of the Coronavirus. This decision is based on several key metrics, including a decrease in the 3-day average of patients hospitalized for COVID-19. View the County’s COVID-19 tracking dashboard here: https://ochca.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/cc4859c8c522496b9f21c451de2fedae
While this is a good sign, Orange County must remain off the monitoring list for 15 consecutive days. While there is no immediate change to the current State Health Orders we operate under, we are awaiting further guidance from the State on what our removal from the list means for our local businesses. To see the State’s County Data Monitoring Watch List criteria, visit https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/Immunization/nCOV2019.aspx
Orange County could be placed back on the list if our COVID numbers start increasing again. We must work together to ensure that this positive trend continues. Don’t forget to observe social distancing, wear face coverings, avoid gatherings, and practice frequent hand washing.
8/20/2020 Mental Health Resources
As a result of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, people are faced with disruption, disappointment, uncertainty, isolation, financial worries, and concern for their health or the health of loved ones. The OC Health Care Agency provides several support resources to help people who may find themselves in need of mental healthcare.
The OC Health Care Agency’s Behavioral Health Services division provides web-based and by-phone services that are available to help all OC residents cope with the emerging stresses that are impacting our lives.
For more information, including a list of numbers to call for phone mental health assistance, visit OC Health at https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/mental-health-support
8/14/2020 Orange County "Back to Business Initiative"
Please read this important media release from the County of Orange on the “Expansion of the Back2Business Initiative,” which now includes outdoor planning for small businesses.
Read the release online at https://cms.ocgov.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=117240
For more information on the Back2Business Initiative, visit https://bit.ly/ocfloorplans or call the Economic and Business Recovery Call Center at (714) 480-6500.
8/11/2020 Covid-19 Testing Information
COVID-19 testing is available through an appointment-based, drive-thru site at the Anaheim Convention Center. Tests are available to Orange County residents at no-cost for people who meet Public Health priorities for testing and cannot get a test through their medical provider (doctor).
The test offered at this site is called a PCR test, and show if someone is currently infected with COVID-19 and may be contagious.
The Center located at the Anaheim Convention Center, West Street entrance, and is open Tuesday to Saturday, 8 a.m. - 3 p.m.
APPOINTMENTS ARE REQUIRED. For an appointment, visit https://360clinic.fulgentgenetics.com/appointment/screen/landing
Who Can Get Tested?
If your health provider cannot assist you or you do not have insurance Orange County residents may get tested at the Anaheim Convention Center Testing Site if they meet the following requirements:
•Orange County resident
•Have symptoms of COVID-19
Meet Public Health criteria for priority testing:
•Healthcare workers and first responders •Workers in congregate living settings such as skilled nursing facilities, jails, or homeless shelter settings •Individuals with close contact (15 minutes or more within 6 feet) to someone known or suspected to have COVID-19 •Essential workers – those with contact with the public such as such as grocery store workers, social service providers, government workers, etc.
For more information, visit https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/supersite
8/5/2020 Covid-Safe Restaurant Campaign
Please read this important media release from the County of Orange regarding the new "SafeDineOC COVID-Safe Restaurant Campaign." The Campaign is intended to incentivize Orange County restaurants to follow California Department of Public Health guidance to prevent the spread of COVID-19.
Restaurant owners may apply for a $1,000 grant per Orange County restaurant location for taking steps to create a COVID-safe environment for their customers and employees. The grant will reimburse restaurants for purchases of personal protective equipment including face masks, cleaning products, employee training and costs for physical distancing of tables and chairs, as examples.
More information about the program may be found at www.safedineoc.com.
8/4/2020 Re-opening Youth Sports Activities
Please read this important media release from the County of Orange regarding guidance on re-opening youth sports activities including school-based, club and recreational programs. The State of California guidance documents referred to in the County release may be found at https://files.covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-youth-sports--en.pdf.
7/30/2020 Voter Information
In response to some of the misinformation spreading on Social Media in regards to voting by mail in the upcoming elections, California wants all registered voters in the State to know that, as long as your ballot is mailed and postmarked by Election Day on November 3 and received by the 17th day after the election, the ballot will be processed and your vote counted.
You can check your voter registration status at voterstatus.sos.ca.gov to make sure you receive your vote-by-mail ballot.
7/22/2020 State of California Guidance for Several Sector
The State of California and the Orange County Health Agency have issued updated COVID-19 guidance for several sectors:
Updated guidance for certain personal care services to provide those services outdoors, available at https://files.covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-outdoor-personal-care--en.pdf . #OCCOVID19
Updated guidance for hair salon and barbershop services to operate outdoors, available at https://files.covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-outdoor-hair-salons--en.pdf
Updated guidance for schools and school-based programs, available at https://files.covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-schools.pdf . Please be aware that the State is expected to issue additional guidance in the near future on school-based sports and extracurricular activities.
Updated guidance for day camps, available at https://files.covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-daycamps.pdf . As a reminder, recreational team sports are still not permitted.
Updated guidance on childcare facilities, which are available at https://files.covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-childcare--en.pdf #OCCOVID19
For more information, call the County of Orange COVID-19 Information line at (714) 834-2000 or email ETeam@ochca.com.
7/16/2020 Basketball, Volleyball, and Handball Court Closures
Due to the increasing COVID-19 transmission rates in Orange County, and in compliance with the State of California’s updated Health Orders regarding restricted sporting activities, the City of Orange has closed the basketball, volleyball, and handball courts in our parks to any use until further notice.
Currently, all of our parks are still open to the public for a walk, to exercise, and participate in healthy activities as long as you maintain a safe physical distance of 6 feet and gather only with members of your household. Additionally, our tennis courts are available for singles practicing proper social distancing or household play only. As a reminder, alcohol is prohibited in all parks and dogs must be on a leash no longer then six feet.
Please stay home if you are sick or experiencing COVID-19 symptoms and continue to wash your hands regularly.
For more information call Community Services at (714) 744-7274.
7/14/2020 Orange County Media Release for Covid-19 Test Center
Please read this important media release from the County of Orange on a new COVID -19 testing center, which will open July 15 at the Anaheim Convention Center: Click Here to read the media release.
7/13/2020 State of California issued new Health Orders
In response to increasing COVID-19 infection rates, the State of California has issued new Health Orders, effective immediately:
“Counties that have remained on the County Monitoring List for 3 consecutive days (this includes Orange County) will be required to shut down the following industries unless they can be modified to operate outside or by pick-up.
• Fitness centers
• Worship services
• Offices for non-essential sectors
• Personal care services, like nail salons, body waxing and tattoo parlors
• Hair salons and barbershops
• Malls
The State Public Health Officer may take additional action if needed.”
To read the entire Health Order, go to https://covid19.ca.gov/roadmap-counties/
7/8/2020 Youth Sports Practices Postponed in Orange County Due to New State Guidance
The State of California has recently amended its guidance regarding youth sports practices, team drills and training and will no longer allow them to occur throughout the state.
7/3/2020 Temporary Outdoor Dining
At a special meeting on Thursday, July 2, the Orange City Council approved a plan to allow restaurants in the City to create outdoor dining spaces by utilizing private walkways and private parking lots where safe and possible to do so. The new dining areas must maintain existing ADA access.
On July 1, the State of California issued new health orders, mandating that restaurants in Orange County must cease indoor operations, though they are allowed to continue serving customers outdoors. In order to help our local restaurants comply with this order, the City will temporarily remove restrictions on outdoor dining, which will allow restaurants to set-up exterior dining areas in private exterior spaces, and remain open.
The use of outdoor dining spaces are allowed through July 31. The City will evaluate the situation the week prior, and can decide to extend the time period if the situation warrants it.
We would like to encourage everyone to patronize our local restaurants, and help keep them in business, and our economy moving.
7/1/2020 Updated Order from Governor Gavin Newsom
Both the State of California and the County of Orange have issued new Health Orders in response to the Coronavirus pandemic:
State of California:
Due to rising COVID-19 infection rates in several counties, and effective immediately, July 1, the State of California has closed all bars, including those with outdoor areas, in several counties, including Orange County. The following businesses must also cease indoor operations, though they may continue outdoor operations if they exist:
Wineries and tasting rooms
Family entertainment centers (for examples: bowling alleys, miniature golf, batting cages and arcades)
Zoos and museums
Cardrooms
Bars must close all operations even if they are operating outdoors.
This order is effective for a minimum of three weeks, and is subject to possible extension. For the list of businesses affected by the closure, or more information, visit: https://covid19.ca.gov/roadmap-counties/
County of Orange:
The Orange County Health Agency has issued new Health Orders closing all bars in Orange County to help slow the spread of COVID-19. The Order, which is effective tomorrow, Thursday, July 2, helps align counties in Southern California due to the increases in COVID-19 cases across the region.
For the full text of the County Order, visit: https://cms.ocgov.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=116494
6/30/2020 COVID-19 Testing
The Orange County Health Care Agency has announced the OC COVID-19 Testing Network, which is offering Coronavirus testing at no charge to anyone with symptoms and without access to a healthcare provider.
This testing is only being offered to people exhibiting Coronavirus symptoms, which includes cough, shortness of breath, or difficulty breathing, among other. An appointment is necessary, which can be made by calling (800) 5674-8448 or by going to OChealthInfo.com/covidtest.
All test are confidential, and involve a nasal swab. Test results take around 2 to 4 days.
For more information, including test locations, visit https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/covid-19-testing
6/30/2020 COVID Data at Your Fingertips
The Orange County Health Agency has debuted a new and improved Coronavirus website with new tools and added features, including a new mapping dashboard from the Center for Systems Science and Engineering at Johns Hopkins University. The site will still continue to offer daily updates on the number of tests conducted and new cases reported, but now also offers links to additional data, including transmission rates and local hospital capacity.
The new page can be found at https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/coronavirus-in-oc
6/19/2020 State of California expanded opening for Personal Care Services
The State of California has issue new COVID Industry Guidance, allowing expanded openings for Personal Care Services "...which includes personal care that requires touching a client’s face, e.g. facials, electrolysis, and waxing. This guidance applies to esthetician, skin care, and cosmetology services; electrology; nail salons; body art professionals, tattoo parlors, and piercing shops; and massage therapy (in non-healthcare settings)."
To read the full COVID Industry Guidance, visit https://covid19.ca.gov/pdf/expanded-personal-services.pdf
6/18/2020 State of California Guidance for the use of face coverings
Because of our collective actions, California has limited the spread of COVID-19 and associated hospitalizations and deaths in our state. Still, the risk for COVID-19 remains and the increasing number of Californians who are leaving their homes for work and other needs, increases the risk for COVID-19 exposure and infection.
Over the last four months, we have learned a lot about COVID-19 transmission, most notably that people who are infected but are asymptomatic or presymptomatic play an important part in community spread. The use of face coverings by everyone can limit the release of infected droplets when talking, coughing, and/or sneezing, as well as reinforce physical distancing.
This document updates existing CDPH guidance for the use of cloth face coverings by the general public when outside the home. It mandates that face coverings be worn state-wide in the circumstances and with the exceptions outlined below. It does not substitute for existing guidance about social distancing and handwashing.
People in California must wear face coverings when they are in the high-risk situations listed below:
• Inside of, or in line to enter, any indoor public space; (Unless exempted by state guidelines for specific public settings (e.g., school or childcare center)) • Obtaining services from the healthcare sector in settings including, but not limited to, a hospital, pharmacy, medical clinic, laboratory, physician or dental office, veterinary clinic, or blood bank; (Unless directed otherwise by an employee or healthcare provider ) • Waiting for or riding on public transportation or paratransit or while in a taxi, private car service, or ride-sharing vehicle; • Engaged in work, whether at the workplace or performing work off-site, when:
Interacting in-person with any member of the public;
Working in any space visited by members of the public, regardless of whether anyone from the public is present at the time;
Working in any space where food is prepared or packaged for sale or distribution to others;
Working in or walking through common areas, such as hallways, stairways, elevators, and parking facilities;
In any room or enclosed area where other people (except for members of the person’s own household or residence) are present when unable to physically distance.
Driving or operating any public transportation or paratransit vehicle, taxi, or private car service or ride-sharing vehicle when passengers are present. When no passengers are present, face coverings are strongly recommended.
While outdoors in public spaces when maintaining a physical distance of 6 feet from persons who are not members of the same household or residence is not feasible.
The following individuals are exempt from wearing a face covering:
Persons age two years or under. These very young children must not wear a face covering because of the risk of suffocation.
Persons with a medical condition, mental health condition, or disability that prevents wearing a face covering. This includes persons with a medical condition for whom wearing a face covering could obstruct breathing or who are unconscious, incapacitated, or otherwise unable to remove a face covering without assistance.
Persons who are hearing impaired, or communicating with a person who is hearing impaired, where the ability to see the mouth is essential for communication.
Persons for whom wearing a face covering would create a risk to the person related to their work, as determined by local, state, or federal regulators or workplace safety guidelines.
Persons who are obtaining a service involving the nose or face for which temporary removal of the face covering is necessary to perform the service.
Persons who are seated at a restaurant or other establishment that offers food or beverage service, while they are eating or drinking, provided that they are able to maintain a distance of at least six feet away from persons who are not members of the same household or residence.
Persons who are engaged in outdoor work or recreation such as swimming, walking, hiking, bicycling, or running, when alone or with household members, and when they are able to maintain a distance of at least six feet from others.
Persons who are incarcerated. Prisons and jails, as part of their mitigation plans, will have specific guidance on the wearing of face coverings or masks for both inmates and staff.
Note: Persons exempted from wearing a face covering due to a medical condition who are employed in a job involving regular contact with others should wear a non-restrictive alternative, such as a face shield with a drape on the bottom edge, as long as their condition permits it.
What is a cloth face covering?
A cloth face covering is a material that covers the nose and mouth. It can be secured to the head with ties or straps or simply wrapped around the lower face. It can be made of a variety of materials, such as cotton, silk, or linen. A cloth face covering may be factory-made or sewn by hand or can be improvised from household items such as scarfs, T-shirts, sweatshirts, or towels.
How well do cloth face coverings work to prevent spread of COVID-19?
There is scientific evidence to suggest that use of cloth face coverings by the public during a pandemic could help reduce disease transmission. Their primary role is to reduce the release of infectious particles into the air when someone speaks, coughs, or sneezes, including someone who has COVID-19 but feels well. Cloth face coverings are not a substitute for physical distancing, washing hands, and staying home when ill, but they may be helpful when combined with these primary interventions.
When should I wear a cloth face covering?
You should wear face coverings when in public places, particularly when those locations are indoors or in other areas where physical distancing is not possible
How should I care for a cloth face covering?
It’s a good idea to wash your cloth face covering frequently, ideally after each use, or at least daily. Have a bag or bin to keep cloth face coverings in until they can be laundered with detergent and hot water and dried on a hot cycle. If you must re-wear your cloth face covering before washing, wash your hands immediately after putting it back on and avoid touching your face. Discard cloth face coverings that:
No longer cover the nose and mouth
Have stretched out or damaged ties or straps • Cannot stay on the face • Have holes or tears in the fabric
Click here for the full text of the State of California.
6/11/2020 County of Orange approves reopening of specific, additional industries
Please read the following important media release from the County of Orange- Acting County Health Officer Approves Re-opening of Specific, Additional Industries and Issues New Order:
Acting County Health Officer Approves Re-opening of Specific, Additional Industries and Issues New Order
(Santa Ana, CA) – On Friday, June 12, 2020, Dr. Clayton Chau, Acting County Health Officer, will approve the re-opening of certain additional industries in Orange County, California, following his review of local epidemiological data including cases per 100,000 population, rate of test positivity, and local preparedness to support a health care surge, vulnerable populations, and contact tracing and testing.
Examples of Businesses Permitted to Re-open June 12, 2020:
Movie theaters and family entertainment centers Restaurants, wineries and bars Zoos and museums Gyms and fitness centers Hotels (for tourism and individual travel) Card rooms and racetracks Public and HOA swimming pools All businesses, industries, and entities listed on the State of California’s website at https://covid19.ca.gov/industry-guidance/ and at https://covid19.ca.gov/roadmap-counties/ that re-open in Orange County as part of the various Stages of the State’s Resilience Roadmap shall post their corresponding industry-specific checklist at a location visible to the public at the public entrance of each property.
In addition, on June 11, 2020, the Acting County Health Officer also issued a New Amended Health Officer Order and Strong Recommendations (New Health Order) that apply to all of OC (both incorporated and unincorporated areas) and revise and supersede the May 28, 2020 Amended Health Officer’s Orders and Strong Recommendations (Previous Health Order).
What Has Changed:
The County Health Officer’s previous Order requiring most residents to wear cloth face coverings outside their home when unable to physically distance themselves by at least six feet can now be safely modified to a strong SHOULD instead of a MUST.
“This change ensures the OC Health Care Agency is acting consistently with our partners at the California Department of Public Health and is based on Orange County’s measures against State-mandated COVID-19 metrics. That said, I stand with Public Health experts and believe strongly that face coverings help slow the spread of COVID-19 and save lives,” said Dr. Clayton Chau, Acting County Health Officer and Director of the OC Health Care Agency.
Residents are encouraged to read the Acting Health Officer’s amended Order and strong recommendations (as well as related FAQs) in their entirety at https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/article/oc-health-officers-orders-recommendations , as there is greater detail that will help provide necessary clarification.
Individuals with questions about the COVID-19 may call the OC Health Care Agency’s OC COVID-19 Hotline at (714) 834-2000 Monday - Friday from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. or email ETeam@ochca.com. For questions about the enforcement of the Acting Health Officer’s Order or to report businesses in violation, please contact your local law enforcement’s non-emergency line.
For more information and resources about COVID-19, please visit www.ochealthinfo.com/novelcoronavirus.
6/9/2020 Street Sweeping Parking Enforcement will resume on June 22
The City of Orange will resume Parking Enforcement of posted “No Parking” zones on days scheduled for street sweeping beginning Monday, June 22. Vehicles still parked in those zones during the restricted hours will receive parking violations.
06/06/20 County of Orange clarification for local businesses
Please read the following important media release from the County of Orange to Provide Clarification for Local Businesses After State Issues New Guidance for Reopening Additional Industries:
County of Orange Provides Clarification for Local Businesses After State Issues New Guidance for Reopening Additional Industries Santa Ana, Calif. (June 5, 2020) – The California Department of Public Health (CDPH) released new guidance for the reopening of additional sectors of economies in jurisdictions like Orange County that have already submitted an attestation and received approval to move deeper into Stage 2 of the State’s Resilience Roadmap.
These newly issued guidance provides corresponding sectors with information on public health modifications they should implement prior to opening, and state that they may only reopen upon approval by the County Health Officer.
Upon review of local data related to COVID-19 spread and Orange County’s readiness, the County Health Officer will make a final decision about the timing for re- opening a sector, which may happen no sooner than June 12, 2020.
These sectors include:
Campgrounds, RV Parks, and Outdoor Recreation - https://covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance- campgrounds.pdf
Cardrooms, Satellite Wagering Facilities and Racetracks - https://covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-cardrooms-racetracks.pdf
Family Entertainment Centers https://covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-family-entertainment.pdf
Fitness Facilities - https://covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-fitness.pdf
Hotels - https://covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-hotels-lodging-rentals.pdf
Museums, Galleries, Zoos, and Aquariums - https://covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-zoos-museums.pdf
Restaurants, Bars, and Wineries - https://covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-restaurants-bars.pdf
The County Health Officer will review Orange County’s epidemiological data including cases per 100,000 population, rate of test positivity, and local preparedness to support a health care surge, vulnerable populations and contact tracing, and give sector-by-sector approval for these industries to re-open as appropriate. The County looks forward to sharing approvals with the community via press releases.
For further information related to the businesses outlined in the new order, please visit:
www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA/Pages/NR20-113.aspx. ##
For questions related to COVID-19, visit www.ochealthinfo.com/novelcoronavirus, or follow the HCA on Facebook (@ochealthinfo) and Twitter (@ochealth).
05/29/20 County of Orange Amended Health Order
Please read this very important media release about a new Amended Health Order and Strong Recommendations from the Orange County Health Officer.
Click here to read the Amended Health Order
OC Health Website
05/28/20 County of Orange Guidelines for Barbershops and Hair Salon reopening.
The State has announced further modifications to the current Health Orders as California, including Orange County, continues to move into “accelerated” Stage 2 reopening. Under an amended set of guidelines, barbershops and hair salons are being allowed to reopen as long as they comply with specific operational guidelines meant to reduce the spread of COVID-19.
The guidelines for reopening include the use of face coverings by both staff and customers, the removal of items like magazines, disinfection and sanitization at regular intervals, and appointments must be staggered in order to maintain social distancing. Nail salons are not yet allowed under the amended guidelines. For the complete list of guidelines for hair salons and barbershops, visit https://covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-hair-salons.pdf .
05/27/20 Webinars available from OC Health and OCBC
The Orange County Health Care Agency and the Orange County Business Council will be hosting a series of webinars designed to help businesses understand the recent Health Officer Orders and what it means to them.
On Thursday, May 28, the Retail Industry will be addressed. The Friday, May 29, webinar will focus on Restaurants. Other business sectors are encouraged to join the virtual meeting on Saturday, May 30. All the webinars run from 3:30 pm to 4:15 pm.
To RSVP, or for more information, email ETeam@OCHCA.com.
05/26/20 County of Orange Stage Two Criteria
We are all excited that Orange County has been approved by the State to enter "accelerated" Stage 2 reopening. With "accelerated" Stage 2, certain businesses, such as destination retail and dine-in restaurants, are allowed to reopen, contingent on their readiness to implement and comply with sector-specific guidance and restrictions.
With this in mind, businesses must do the following to meet the Stage 2 criteria for reopening:
Perform a detailed risk assessment and implement a site-specific protection plan.
Train employees on how to limit the spread of COVID-19, this includes learning to screen themselves for symptoms, and having them stay home if they exhibit those symptoms.
Implement individual control measures and screenings.
Implement disinfecting protocols.
Implement the State’s physical distancing guidelines.
Post the State’s industry-specific checklist in their workplaces.
Require all OC residents to wear a cloth face covering visiting a retail, commercial or other place of business, and requires workers to wear them when they are not able to maintain at least 6 feet of physical distance from another person.
Please refer to your specific industry’s guidance: To see the State’s guidance for shopping centers, go to https://covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-shopping-centers.pdf. For dine-in restaurants go to https://covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-dine-in-restaurants. To see the guidance for other industries go to https://covid19.ca.gov/industry-guidance/
Please visit the City’s Reopening Plan for helpful information on preparing your business’s reopening plan and for a list of local, state, and federal resources available to businesses during the pandemic. www.cityoforange.org/DocumentCenter/View/11090/COVID-Reopening-Plan---Businesses-and-Operations
Remember, we all share in the responsibility to fight COVID-19. Keep practicing social distancing, limit what you touch, wash your hands frequently, avoid touching your face, and wear a face covering in public. As we reopen more of our businesses, maintaining our vigilance against the spread of the virus is always our first line of defense.
05/26/20 Orange County Health Officer’s Order and recommendations
The County of Orange Health Officer issued a new Health Order and Strong Recommendations. Please read the attached FAQs, which help clarify the Order and Recommendations as they relate to the approval by the State of California to move Orange County (OC) along the Governor’s "Resiliency Roadmap" further into Stage 2.
You will find the original Health Order and Strong Recommendations, and the online version of the FAQs at https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/article/oc-health-officers-orders-recommendations
05/23/20 County of Orange Media Release
Please read these very important media release about a new Health Order and Strong Recommendations. OC Health Care Agency Media Release
05/23/20 County of Orange moves into Stage Two
Please read these very important media releases from the County of Orange about the approval from the State to move to an "accelerated" Stage 2 opening, and new Back2Business Initiative.
For several weeks, Orange County has been operating under an “early” Stage 2 of the State’s “4 Stage” COVID-19 reopening plan. We are very pleased to report that the State has approved the County’s request to move to an “accelerated” Stage 2 reopening.
Under the “accelerated” Stage 2, destination retail and dine-in restaurants will be allowed to reopen, contingent on their readiness to implement and comply with sector-specific guidance and restrictions, which can be found at https://occovid19.ochealthinfo.com/guidelines.
When planning to reopen, all businesses must complete a detailed risk assessment and implement a site-specific protection plan to reduce the potential spread of COVID-19. These plans may include social distancing, sanitation, screening and prevention, minimizing physical contact during transactions, and employee training. The County of Orange Back2Business Initiative will provide up to 1,000 small businesses with free access to floor plan software to help them meet the latest social distancing requirements. For more information, visit https://bit.ly/ocback2business
The City of Orange is committed to supporting our local Orange businesses as they plan to reopen. Please visit the City’s Reopening Plan for helpful information on preparing your business’s reopening plan and for a comprehensive list of local, state, and federal resources available to businesses during the pandemic. www.cityoforange.org/DocumentCenter/View/11090/COVID-Reopening-Plan---Businesses-and-Operations
As we move through this reopening process, it is important to remember that we all share in the responsibility to fight COVID-19. Reopening more of our businesses will require continued success in combating the spread of the virus. Keep practicing social distancing, limit what you touch, wash your hands frequently, avoid touching your face, and wear a face covering in public.
Click here for the Orange County Press Release
County of Orange moves into Stage Two Press Release
05/18/20 County Partnership with UCI
The University of California, Irvine has informed us that they have partnered with the Orange County Health Care Agency for a large-scale, population-based study that is intended to generate a more accurate estimate of the COVID-19 pandemic in Orange. Currently, the true rate of COVID-19 is unknown because it’s impossible to determine the actual number of infections without widespread testing of a representative sample.
The results of this study are meant to help guide local health officials and elected officials in preparing policy, better identify at-risk populations, and understand how long immunity to the virus lasts. It’s important to note that it’s not yet clear what level of antibodies is enough to confer near- or long-term immunity on those who have had COVID-19. Additional research will be necessary for that determination.
The survey will involve serological testing of a representative sample of 5,000 Orange County residents to determine if they have COVID-19 antibodies. Study participants will be recruited soon, and testing is expected to take place in June. An initial report will be issued this summer, with another report released in early fall.
In a separate, smaller study, UCI scientists will examine 1,500 blood samples, which will be collected at 10 clinics around Orange County which is meant to provide officials a quick read on COVID-19 exposure rates.
The UCI Program in Public Health has a COVID-19 Chatline, https://publichealth.uci.edu/ph/_home/covid19, that is available for general questions about COVID-19. The chatline is staffed Monday – Friday from 9 am to 6 pm PST and on weekends from 12pm to 4pm PST.
05/08/20 Governor Newsom Releases Updated Industry Guidance
Please read this important media release from California Governor Gavin Newsom on Updated Industry Guidance for Re-Opening the Economy.
Media Release page 1 page 2 page 3
Click here for website.
05/07/20 City of Orange Yorba Park Dog Park
We are very pleased to announce that the Dog Park at Yorba Park will be reopen to the public (and their dogs!) beginning Friday, May 8 at noon.
The Center for Disease Control states that although there is limited information available to date on COVID-19 and pets, the risk of animals spreading COVID-19 to people is considered low. In compliance with the State’s current Health Orders people are required to maintain a safe “social distance” of six feet from other members not in their household while using the dog park.
It is everyone’s responsibility to help stop the spread of the Coronavirus. Please continue to practice social distancing, wash your hands frequently, limit what you touch, use face coverings in public, avoid touching your face, and do not enter our parks if you are ill or experiencing COVID-19 symptoms. Please remember that, under the State’s Public Health Orders, group activities and gatherings are still prohibited. Park restrooms remain open for use.
The Yorba Dog Park is the only off-leash facility in the City of Orange. When visiting all other city parks, a leash, no longer than 6 feet, is required. Please help keep Orange safe by complying with this ordinance. Pet owners are responsible for cleaning up all pet nuisance, both in and outside the dog park.
For more information on the Dog Park at Yorba Park, please visit either www.orangedogpark.com or www.cityoforange.org/Facilities/Facility/Details/Yorba-Dog-Park-39 or call the Community Services Department at (714) 744-7274.
05/07/20 City of Orange Public Counters
The State’s Stay-At-Home Order designates municipal government services, like those provided by the City of Orange, as a critical service. As California prepares to move to the Governor’s stage 2 COVID-19 recovery plan, which allows some workplaces deemed “lower-risk” to resume business with public safety modifications, we at the City want to help our community.
City Hall public counters, which have been operating on a by-appointment only basis, will reopen for walk-up business on Monday, May 11. While we are excited to welcome our residents and business community back to City Hall, we wanted to let you know how we are modifying our operations to comply with the State’s Stage 2 requirements. Your safety, and the safety of our staff, are our highest priority.
• We have installed Plexiglass shields at each front counter to shield both sides from inadvertent contamination
• All visitors to City Hall will be required to wear face coverings prior to being admitted inside
• We will only be letting one walk-in patron into our front counter lobbies at a time. There will be lines with social distancing markers set-up immediately outside each lobby to help maintain 6-feet of space between each patron
•You can skip the line by making an appointment in advance, which will allow you to go directly to the front counter at the designated time. To make an appointment, please call the appropriate department from the list below.
We ask that you do not enter City Hall if you are feeling ill. Please call the appropriate Department you wish to visit, and let us know what you need. We may be able to help you remotely.
You can also access many of our services from the comfort of your home at www.cityoforange.org.
City Clerk (714) 744-5500
Community Development (714) 744-7220
Community Services (714) 744-7274
Economic Development (714) 744-2222
Finance (714) 744-2230
Human Resources (714) 744-7255
At this time, consistent with the State’s Health Order, the City of Orange will not be able to provide the services listed below for either appointment or walk-up service. We apologize for the inconvenience, and will notify the public via our website, cityoforange.org, and on our social media channels such as Facebook (www.facebook.org/cityoforange) and Nextdoor once they are available.
Passport processing (U.S. Department of State has limited their passport operations)
Recreational class registration
Park facility rental reservations
We are excited to welcome our community back, and look forward to serving our residents and businesses at City Hall once more.
05/07/20 Small Business Relief Program
California State University Fullerton, Wells Fargo, and the Local Initiatives Support Corporation Los Angeles are providing fifteen $5,000 grants to small Orange County businesses affected by the Covid-19 pandemic.
The eligibility requirements for the grants include:
• Businesses must be located in Orange County.
• Micro-businesses affected by Covid-19 in Orange County, especially those in underserved communities, these can also include entrepreneurs of color, women- and veteran-owned businesses.
• Businesses must have at least 2 employees, and have either a maximum of 5 Full-Time Employees or 10 Part-Time Employees.
• Applications will be reviewed based on criteria, and the final grantees will be randomly selected from the top scoring applicants.
The application period will open on May 8 at 9 am, and close on May 9 at 9 am. To preview the application, go to https://lisc.box.com/s/9nxumnig93j57o7gb3duauj02oz87fkz
For more information visit www.lisc.org/los-angeles/covid-19-response/lisc-la-orange-county-small-business-relief-grant-program/
05/05/20 City Of Orange
During the COVID-19 pandemic, City of Orange parks remain open for use by our residents to stroll, walk their dogs on leash, exercise, and participate in other healthy actives while maintaining a safe “social distance” of six feet from others members not in their household.
The City has reopened the parking lots at our parks in order to both encourage these healthy activities, and to help alleviate vehicle congestion in the surrounding neighborhoods. The tennis courts in our parks are also reopen for household or singles play, with proper social distancing of six feet.
Please remember that group activities and gatherings are still prohibited. Also, the other amenities within our parks are still closed until further notice. This include sport courts such as basketball, volleyball and handball, group picnic areas, playgrounds, fitness equipment, and the dog park at Yorba Park. Restrooms remain open.
It is everyone’s responsibility to help stop spread of the Coronavirus. We urge you to continue practicing social distancing, wash your hands frequently, limit what you touch, avoid touching your face, and do not use our parks if you are ill or experiencing COVID-19 symptoms.
The COVID-19 pandemic has had significant impacts on all of us. The City of Orange is committed to supporting both our residents and businesses, each requiring their own unique approach. We continue, where possible, to adapt our services for residents, including everything from keeping our parks open to temporarily suspending "No Parking for Street Sweeping" enforcement.
We have been doing the same for our business community. We continue to explore and find new ways to provide business support, while adhering to COVID-19 public health guidelines. In order to expand these initiatives, it’s important to have the right data to help focus our efforts where they are needed most. To this end, the City has sent a survey to all licensed Orange businesses to gather input on how we can continue to evolve and adapt to serve their needs.
If you are a business owner in Orange, and want to participate in the survey, you will find it at https://orangeca.seamlessdocs.com/f/BusinessSurvey. We also want to ensure you are aware of the many business resources available to you during this pandemic, including:
Small Business Administration (SBA) - Visit sba.gov to access financing through a variety of programs such as the Paycheck Protection Program, Disaster Loan Assistance, and Express Bridge Loans.
Small Business Development Center (SBDC) - Visit orangecountysbdc.org for workshops, technical assistance, and no-cost business consulting services.
California Association for Local Economic Development (CALED) - Visit caled.org for California specific business information and resources.
Orange County Business Council (OCBC) - Visit ocbc.org for Orange County specific business information and resources.
Orange Chamber of Commerce - Visit orangechamber.com to connect with other Orange businesses and join the Support Orange - Shop Orange initiative.
Labor and Workforce Resources - Employment Development Department edd.ca.gov, Labor & Workforce Development Agency labor.ca.gov, and OC One Stop Centers oconestop.com.
For more information, visit our website at www.cityoforange.org, or contact our Economic Development Team at (714) 744-2222.
04/29/20 State of California
In a press conference on Tuesday, California Governor Gavin Newsom laid out, in 4 stages, the roadmap to the State’s lifting of the "stay at home" order that is currently in place due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
While we are currently in Stage 1, the roadmap outlines the actions that will be necessary by individual citizens, businesses, and the government in order to meet the key indicators for movement to Stage 2. These included stabilization of hospitalization trends, sufficient supply and distribution of Personal Protective Equipment, testing, and contact tracing capacity throughout the state.
Once the conditions are met, the transition to Stage 2 will occur through a statewide modification to the Stay-At-Home Order. The Governor indicated he expected we will be able to transition to Stage 2 in the next few weeks, if not sooner.
Remember, we are all in this together. Maintain physical distancing, wash your hands frequently, stay "safer at home" unless you are an essential worker.
To read Governor Newsom’s complete presentation, click here.
04/29/20 County of Orange Press Release
Please read this media release from the County of Orange on loaner laptops and hotspots being made available to job seekers impacted by the COVID-19 Pandemic.
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04/28/20 City of Orange Frequently Asked Questions
The City of Orange has just updated it’s COVID-19 Frequently Asked Questions page. These FAQs are meant to help residents and businesses with answers to common questions regarding the City’s responses to the COVID-19 pandemic, and how citizen can still access many City services during this time. You will also find other useful information on the City’s recreation programing, parks, libraries, Police and Fire Departments, and our Public Works services such as water delivery.
City Of Orange FAQ’s
04/27/20 City of Orange summertime program to go virtual
Summertime is coming, and amidst the coronavirus pandemic, it appears it will not be a traditional one. With the stay-at-home order and other health guidelines currently in place, traditional summer programming cannot happen in its current form. To this end, we are shifting our efforts to planning for a non-traditional, yet still exciting, virtual summer.
The summer edition of Our Orange, the City’s quarterly magazine, will not be printed and distributed in an effort to stay flexible and program what we can within established health guidelines. Look for social media posts and frequently check the City’s website for updated programs and information as it is available. We look forward to bringing the community opportunities to engage and stay connected as we navigate through the pandemic together.
04/24/20 State of California Small Business Assistance
Many small businesses in our community are feeling the strain of the COVID-19 pandemic. Fortunately, there is help. The US Small Business Administration has two low-interest federal disaster loans, the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) and the Economic Injury Disaster Loan (EIDL), available for small businesses in need of assistance. Businesses that qualify can apply for both loans.
Click the links below for easy-to-read guides, prepared by the City of Orange, to help you understand the details of each loan program. For additional information on both programs, please visit www.sba.gov, or email SBA Disaster Assistance Customer Assistance directly at disastercustomerservice@sba.gov.
Cares Act easy to read guide and Payment Protection Program and Economic Injury Disaster Loan
The City of Orange Economic Development Department is also available to assist you at (714) 744-2207.
04/24/20 State of California Mortgage Relief Agreements
If you are having problems paying your mortgage due to the COVID-19 pandemic, you may be eligible for some relief. Federally-backed loans are eligible for a two or six-month suspension through the Federal Housing Agency. The State of California has also obtained similar relief agreements from 200 mortgage lenders.
The State has set-up a website with all of the details, help you find out if your lender is participating in this program, and how to apply for mortgage relief if they are. Visit https://dbo.ca.gov/covid19-updates-fi/
04/23/20 State of California Media Release for State of Emergency
Please read this important media release from the State of California on several Executive Orders issued by Governor Newsom in response to the COVID-19 pandemic. You can find the text of the Executive Order at www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/N-54-20-COVID-19-4.22.20.pdf
04/23/20 Orange County Social Service New Hotline Available
Please read this important media release from the Orange County Social Services Agency on a new hotline for current in-home Supportive Services recipients during COVID-19 crisis.
Orange County Social Service Press Release
04/22/20 Orange County Health Care Agency Media Release requiring cloth face coverings for certain essential workers
04/21/20 OC Covid-19 Media Release for Testing Network
Please read this important media release from the Orange County Health Care Agency on the launch of the OC COVID-19 Testing Network.
Orange County Health Care Agency Media Release
Orange County COVID-19 Hotline Closing
Starting tomorrow, April 18, the Orange County COVID-19 Public Information Hotline will close.
Residents can continue to call the County’s general COVID information number at (833) 426-6411, which includes:
• Orange County Health Care Agency – Health Referral Line, Behavioral Health Resources
• Orange County Social Services Agency – Risk Benefits
• Orange County Office on Aging – Resources for Seniors
• Orange County District Attorney’s Office – Scams, Price Gouging
• County of Orange Emergency Operations Center Hotline – Non-Medical Questions
• Small Business Recovery
• 2-1-1 Orange County
Medical questions about the Coronavirus can be directed to the OC Health COVID-19 Hotline at (833) 426-6411.
The Orange County Health Care Agency website at www.ochealthinfo.com/novelcoronavirus has information that is regularly updated regarding the status of COVID-19 in Orange County.
For questions about the City of Orange’s response to the Coronavirus, call the City hotline at (714) 744-7550, Monday-Thursday, and alternate Fridays, 7:30 am-5:30 pm.
04/20/20 Orange County Business Council Resource Guide
As we continue to observe the "Stay at Home" directives in response to the COVID-19 pandemic, communities are feeling the impact. We are fortunate, here in California, that we have a strong network of non-profit organizations that are here for all of us. If you are in need, they are here for you.
The Orange County Business Council has compiled an extensive resource guide of the service organizations providing help to those impacted by the current pandemic. Here you’ll find a list of what types of assistance are being offered, who is offering them, where they are located, and how they can be contacted.
Also, if you are looking to give back, they need you, now more than ever. At the bottom of the resource guide you will find a list of the non-profits that are currently seeking volunteers to assist them with their efforts.
You will find the Orange County Business Council resource guide at https://conta.cc/3eFlvBF
04/08/2020 Gatherings in Parks Prohibited
Per the State Health Order, we are to Stay At Home, other than for essential activities. As such, social gatherings are prohibited, including gathering in parks. Although there may be a desire to gather with friends and extended family on Easter, such gatherings are discouraged as they do not allow for social distancing. Therefore, any gatherings in City parks on Easter Sunday are prohibited.
Our parks remain open for limited use, however the parking lots, picnic areas, sport courts, playgrounds, fitness equipment, and all other amenities are closed. The local public is still welcome to enjoy the parks for activities such as walking, jogging, and dog walking, as long as patrons continue to practice social distancing by keeping at least 6-feet away from others not in your immediate household.
Lastly, we urge you to stay home if you are experiencing COVID-19 symptoms.
04/02/2020 “Our Orange” Summer Issue
In response to the COVID-19 pandemic and the current State Public Health Orders, the summer issue of Our Orange, which was due to be mailed to Orange residents in late April, will be delayed until late May. Out of an abundance of caution, we felt it best to delay the start of our summer season registration by four weeks. Your Community Services Department is still continuing to plan for our summer camps, aquatics, special events and other recreational programs.
We are looking forward to providing you, and your family, the best summer ever.
Once summer registration officially opens, which is currently planned for June 15, you’ll be able to sign-up at home via our website at www.cityoforange.org/1097/How-to-Register.
04/01/2020 Public Parks Parking Lots Closed
Effective Thursday, April 2, all City of Orange public park parking lots will be closed to the public until further notice.
All of our parks will still be open for walk-up use by the local public. Park use requires continued compliance with social distancing by keeping at least 6-feet away from others not in your immediate household, as well as not using our parks if you are experiencing COVID-19 symptoms. All patrons should continue to follow the Centers for Disease Control’s guidance on hygiene.
Please remember that ALL of the amenities within our parks, including sports courts, playgrounds, fitness equipment, and the dog park, are closed to the public until further notice.
03/26/2020 Still Here to Serve You
In the recent clarification of the current Health Directives issued by Governor Newsom, construction was called out as one of California’s critical infrastructure industries. We recognize the importance of keeping our local projects moving forward, and we want to let our business and construction community know that the City of Orange is open to serve them. Our Planning and Building staff are still available for consultation at our public counters by appointment. Just call (714) 744-7200, or email us at CDInfo@cityoforange.org.
Many of our construction related services can also be accessed on our website by visiting www.cityoforange.org/226/Community-Development. We are also available to answer your planning and building questions. Even during these trying times we are working hard to provide you with excellent customer service.
03/25/2020 Street Sweeping and Trash Collection
Trash and street sweeping services are still occurring on their normal schedule throughout the City of Orange.
If you have questions about your trash collection or street sweeping, please contact our contractor, CR&R, at (714) 372-8272.
Due to the COVID-19 situation, and until further notice, parking restrictions for street sweeping days have been suspended, and no tickets will be issued. We do kindly ask that you move your car on street sweeping days to allow the sweepers to do their jobs.
For more information about the City’s waste and recycling programs, go to www.cityoforange.org/462/Trash-Recycling-and-Organics.
03/21/2020 Closure of Public Park Amenities
Effective today, City of Orange local park amenities, which includes playgrounds, outdoor fitness equipment, and all courts will be closed until further notice. City of Orange parks will remain open.
The Dog Park at Yorba Park is also closed until further notice. Pets on leashes can still be walked through our parks, as long as owners continue to practice social distancing.
The public is encouraged to utilize the open space and walking trails to stay healthy, both physically and mentally. However, please practice social distancing by staying at least six feet away from those who are not part of your household.
03/19/2020 Passport Services Suspended
The City of Orange has just been informed by the U.S. Department of State that they are temporarily suspending passport services, including locally provided passport processing centers such as the Orange City Clerk’s Office. The Department of State will continue to process passports for customers with a need to travel within 72 hours for a qualified life-or-death emergency. U.S. Department of State passport service customers can call (877) 487-2778.
The City will continue to update our Residents and Businesses as information develops via the City’s Social Media pages and our website, www.cityoforange.org.
03/18/2020 City’s COVID-19 Hotline
Do you have questions about the City’s response to the Coronavirus (COVID-19)? You can call the City of Orange Coronavirus Hotline at (714) 744-7550, where you can get answers about what actions the City is taking, and what City services are available on-line.
The Hotline is open Monday-Thursday 7:30 am-5:30 pm, and alternate Fridays 7:30 am-5:30 pm. The hotline is closed this Friday, and every other Friday. After hours, please leave a message.
03/17/2020 City Public Counters Closed
As part of our ongoing response to the evolving Coronavirus (COVID-19) situation, and to ensure the health and safety of our constituents and staff, the City of Orange City Hall public counters will close to walk-up business as of Wednesday March 18, 2020.
Members of the public should use this website, www.cityoforange.org, where they will find that many City services are available on-line. In the event an in-person appointment is necessary, contact numbers for each Departments can also be found on the website.
This closure will remain in effect until further notice.
03/17/2020 City’s Declaration of Local Emergency
In response to the growing concern over the Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) and the increasing changes to public health policy meant to curb the spread of the virus, the Orange City Council approved a declaration of local emergency in an emergency closed session on Monday afternoon, March 16.
This declaration is a proactive administrative action that allows the City to access state and federal funding to help contain the spread of the virus. At this time, there have been no reported cases of person-to-person transmission of the Coronavirus in the City of Orange, and the risk to the Orange community remains low.
Out of an abundance of caution, the City of Orange has initiated the following changes to our operations in addition to those taken on March 13:
The Orange Public Library Branches have been closed to the public until March 31. Web based services will still be available at www.cityoforange.org/244/Library.
• Passport processing is now by appointment only. Call the City Clerk’s Office at (714) 744-5500.
• Recreation classes have been canceled for the spring season. Permits for park, athletic field, and community facility use have been canceled through May 10. City parks remain open at this time.
• City sponsored community events and gatherings have been suspended through April 30.
• Orange Police Department and Orange City Fire Department public counters have been closed. Access to the Police Department lobby is available on a case-by-case basis for limited purposes. Law enforcement, Fire suppression, and public safety activities will continue throughout the City as normal.
City Hall public counters remains open for core business purposes. However, Orange residents are encouraged to access many of the City services on-line on the City’s website (www.cityoforange.org), such as building permit information, utility billing, and service requests.
“These are extraordinary times,” said Orange Mayor Mark A. Murphy. “And we have extraordinary employees to address them.”
03/12/2020 Changes to City Operations – State Mandate
In keeping with the State’s policy update, and out of an abundance of caution, the City of Orange will be initiating the following changes to our operations through March 31, 2020:
• Suspending city-sponsored events involving more than 250 people, and, in many cases, those with less than 250 people.
• Suspending programs, classes, and events scheduled at the libraries and city recreational facilities, including private permitted events. The Orange Police Department, the Orange Public Library Branches and city parks will remain open for general use.
• Coordinating with recreational soccer, baseball, softball and other sports leagues on best practices with the potential of postponement.
• Cancelling the Planning Commission meeting of March 16 and the Design Review Committee meeting of March 18.
• The State of the City featuring Mayor Mark A. Murphy, put on the by the Orange Chamber of Commerce, will be rescheduled from March 26 to a new, forthcoming date in coming weeks.
During this period, City Hall will remain open for business. As a reminder, many City services are available on-line such as building permit information, utility billing, class registration, and service requests.
As of this update, there has been no detection of person-to-person transmission of the Coronavirus in the City of Orange, and that the risk to the Orange community remains low.
The City of Orange will continue to work with our local health officials, including the Orange County Health Care Agency, to ensure we are following the State’s guidance and maintaining our focus on public safety.
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How to Spot and Stop Manipulators
Psychological manipulators make requests of you that often make you go out of your way to fulfill them. When they do so, ask questions about the unfairness of the request, to see if the manipulator has enough self-awareness to recognize it in their scheme.
If the manipulator has a degree of self-awareness, he or she will likely withdraw the demand. Truly pathological manipulators (such as a narcissist) will dismiss your questions and insist on getting their way.
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The two most common types of manipulators are bullies and “victims”.
Bullies make you feel fearful and might use aggression, threats and intimidation to control you, while “victims” engenders a feeling of guilt in their target by acting hurt when denied something.
The term refers to manipulation that gets people to question themselves, their reality, memory or thoughts. Gaslighters twist what you say and make it about them, hijacking the conversation or making you feel like you’ve done something wrong when you haven’t.
Gaslighted people often feel a false sense of guilt or defensiveness, as if they failed completely or did something wrong when they didn’t.
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Manipulation Techniques
The ‘foot-in-the-door’ technique consists of making a small and reasonable request, which then leads into a larger request. The initial appeal we supposed to make you feel more comfortable and invested in cooperating.
The ‘door-in-the-face’ technique consists of making a big request, having it rejected, then making a smaller one. Following the larger request, the smaller appeal seems reasonable comparatively.
How to Spot Manipulation: The Five Types of Manipulators
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Manipulation is the main tool of sociopaths and psychopaths, and its effects can be often very damaging. That's why it's important to know what types of manipulators are out there and to learn to spot their manipulation before it goes too far. Here's what Donald Miller suggests in his book, Scary Close.
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Dealing With Manipulators
Manipulators do most of the manipulation unconsciously, as a survival mechanism.
Manipulation stems as a defense mechanism of an unwillingly twisted mind and these people need professional help. While you don’t have to judge these people, you should always try to keep a safe distance until they begin to truly trust you and drop the act.
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Treats life as a contest in which they set the rules and frame the scoreboard in order to always win. He/she keeps tabs on owed favors and call them in when he/she wants to control you.
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I am happy to say I don’t need you guys anymore and without being rude I hope I never need a family lawyer again but I would go with DA again anyway. You’re amazing Lisa, thank you.”
Hey Amy, I would sincerely like to thank you for today and making it all happen.
I really appreciate the dedication, hard work and professionalism by you and the DA Family Law team.
I will definitely recommend you if people need support!
Words can’t explain how grateful I am. You and your team have made one little girl very happy as well, she is already excited about sleepovers and coming to my place. Even the supervised visits have been great, she is starting to develop strong bonds with my family which was not possible before. Whilst I wouldn’t wish this experience on anybody, I will be recommending you Lisa Foley and the team at DA Family Law if someone I know is unfortunate enough to have to go through this.
Thank you so very, very much.
Thank you very much for the email and I would like to thank you for the service I received. At every step, I felt safe, validated and educated. It was very refreshing from previous experiences. I feel that you very thoughtfully and respectfully guided me towards the best possible solution and I am most grateful for your help.
Thank you so much for all your help. I hope you stop and realise that you are changing lives. Because of you, our granddaughter gets to grow up safe and content. She will sleep in the same bed every night. We can’t thank DA family lawyers enough. Thanks so much.
Thank you for your support and representation throughout these proceedings we are all very thankful to have had you by our side.
Thank you for supporting me today as you have done from the beginning! I really couldn’t have done it without you!
I cannot speak highly enough of Lisa and her staff in the way they handled my matter, which was not a large one, but stressful all the same. Lisa carried out my instructions in a timely manner and nothing was too much trouble for her and she was available when I needed to contact her. I would have no hesitation in recommending DA Family Lawyers.
Both Lisa and Deborah have worked on my case that spanned over two years. I found their service to be honest, upfront and respectful. I always felt like my case was moving forward even though the other party made every effort to stall proceedings.
In my vulnerable moments, I was supported with compassion, strength and integrity to which I am very grateful.
I was finalising some financial orders in court recently when I ran into Lisa, she went above and beyond to get me some information that would help with my court appearance even though I was representing myself in this instance.
Kate has been working with me on my property settlement for the past 6 months and I would like to let you know she is an asset to DA Family Lawyers.
Having never dealt with a law firm in my life, I found myself in a situation quite challenging. Kate was very professional in her delivery of advice, explanations of legal terms, documents and processes.
Many times people only hear complaints about service, and not the positives, thus the reason for this email.
A big thank you to Kate, I know she works very hard and I am very confident she will represent me well next April when my divorce proceedings begin.
I though you might like to know I had my trial today in South Australia. ……………In a nutshell i got final orders today for sole parental responsibility, the children live with me, supervised and access only what I agree to, costs are reserved, and injunctions preventing the mother near our home or the school, etc without my written consent. There are others but these are the main ones.
Thank you for all your help in the early times and sticking with me from the start. I learnt a lot from you that gave me the basis to carry through to getting the results that I ended up with today.
Thank you Lisa
I appreciate all the help I received from you and your firm thank you so much.
Hi Lisa
Thank you for having assisted X with his matters.
You were right – there was some pain, but he has woken up today feeling better about things !!…………. You really helped him.
I just wanted to again say thank you for your help not only today but over the past few months. This has been a very trying time and I now finally feel that X and I (and X) can get on with our lives. Obviously a few more ‘i’s’ to dot but nothing insurmountable.
Thank you for saying today that I was ‘easy to work with, but can I say that the feeling is mutual.
It was nice to just chat while we had the chance today. Good luck to you and you family into the future.
Dear Deborah,
I just wanted to quickly write to you to say thank you for your efforts and assisting the parties in this matter at Mediation on 1 August 2018. I found your staff to be extremely friendly, attentive, and professional and I am wanting to provide you with the feedback from my client that she was very pleased with the service provided, and with you as a Mediator on the day.
I know your time as my children’s representative has ended. However, as a courtesy follow up email, we are now just back from our overseas trip and it was absolutely wonderful!
I’d also like to say that one of the children achieved the Academic Excellence Award for their class for 2013, and was also announced the School Leader for 2015 (out of 74 applicants!).
I am very proud and wanted to share this news with you as you have been a very impartial, yet helpful, contribution to our wellbeing. The children have moved ahead in leaps and bounds.
Once again, I thank you.
I know you were merely doing your job- but I believe it is always nice to be appreciated for such.
Merry Christmas and best wishes for 2014.
Congratulations, good luck and good health for the future!
A big THANKYOU to you, Kelly the DA team and barrister Murray as I wouldn’t be this far along at this point in time without everyone’s efforts particularly on the mediation couple of weeks.
Thank you for all your excellent work and a particular thanks for allowing me to be your client and pay my bill at settlement. Without that I would not have been able to have the best lawyer in town.
Dear Fraser,
Thank you again for your assistance with the mediation today. The outcome was small, but not insignificant.
Please accept this little gift as a token of my appreciation and in case I visit your office again I don’t feel bad about leaving rings on your desk!
“Thanks Amy and Leanne,
I am so grateful that I have you to help and represent me in this matter…..I could not have done it without you.
Thank you for being supportive, patient and professional at a difficult time. Best wishes to you and your dedicated team.
“I would like to thank you for your support and guidance in this matter, I also appreciate your attempts to minimise my costs in handling this issue”.
“I again thank you for your hard work and understand that I have got for free well more than you had been paid for and swear an oath of debt (imagine a scene out of a movie/book here). Hopefully one day I can return the favour and until then I’m sure you’ll have a lot of good karma”
“Thank you so much for your support and advice with my matter. Your professionalism is second to none.”
“I just wanted to thank you again for your support last week! I felt much more confident facing the family report writer thanks to your advice. Thank you for being so flexible with times and caring for my daughter and I during the heavy rain. You are a breath of fresh air in an otherwise stressful situation! Many Thanks”
“Leanne, you were and still are amazing and did more than I ever could have to keep the boys as happy and safe as possible under the circumstances. You always kept me smiling, breathing and calm.”
“I would like to say that after having experience with several law firms in this matter that yours is the first one where we had confidence that we could rely on the advice given and matters were attended to expeditiously and competently. We also appreciated very much the fact that you were prepared to ensure that costs were minimized and that where we could and preferred do some things ourselves that you let us do that.
I would have no hesitation to recommend your firm to anyone who needs help with family law matters.
You are welcome to quote this to anyone.”
“I just wanted to thank you for being my family lawyer, barrister and legal team. I really felt very supported by your work, your presence and understanding.
“Thank you so much for everything you have done…I appreciate everything the girls in the office did to help me out as well. I was very lucky to have you and Lisa look after me and execute such a good plan, also helping me with the financial side of it, I always knew I was in good hands.”
“I can not THANK YOU enough for your work, Lisa! It is such a pleasure meeting you and working with you! You are a highly professional and beautiful lady! Kind Regards, Thanks so much”
Thank you so very much for all you have done and expediting the matters through court! Hopefully a happy ending.
I’ll see you for the divorce paperwork! 🙂
Many many thanks again.”
“ Thank you again. I am truly appreciative of all your hard work with everything that’s involved. Your very good at your job and I thank you for that”
“I could not be more happier with DA family lawyers. Lisa is very thorough and extremely dedicated to her job and I am very thankful to have her representing me. I have 110% confidence in Lisa’s advice and expertise.”
“Lisa, Thank you for this – and thank you for your help overall. It was great everything went so smoothly.”
“I just wanted to thank you for everything you have done for my children and I, and of course colleagues who have helped as well. Also thanks for being patient with me as all this was way over my head. Words can’t explain how I will feel when I can finally hug my sons again.”
“Thank you so much for your patience, expertise and wisdom over the past months. I can’t imagine I have been the easiest of clients, but I am so grateful for having you as a voice of reason and logic when I felt like I was really losing my mind!
With deepest heartfelt thanks.”
“I would like to thank both yourselves, Agata & the team at DA Family Lawyers, for your time & efforts in achieving all that you committed to. Please don’t take this the wrong way, but I hope not to require your services in the future. However, in the event that circumstances necessitate professional legal input, I would not hesitate for a second to contact you, or indeed recommend your services to others.
It hasn’t been an entirely enjoyable journey thus far, although thanks to your diligence & empathy, this component of it has been made considerably better than first anticipated.”
“I appreciated your time and valued your input. You are very good in your role. I would recommend you to others in similar situations.”
“We really appreciate all of your time and effort in helping us, and also thank you to Agata, Gareth & Deborah. We are so relieved that we can all move on from this horrible experience!! You made it a lot easier and for that we are so grateful!!!”
“You did really well yesterday & you are a credit to Deborah and her team :)”
“We just wanted to say thank you again for getting final orders signed and bringing some peace into our lives finally so we can help the children through this transition and get more stability for them both, and for us.”
“I wouldn’t wish divorce and property settlement on anyone, however, if it happens, I have no hesitation in recommending Lisa Foley and DA Family Law.”
“I was incredibly impressed by their initial interview process, which required me to complete a pre-interview pro-forma. In filling out the pro-forma it really helped me to focus my thinking on the things that were most important and relevant, ensuring that my first meeting with Lisa Foley was clear, purposeful and helpful. This continued to be my experience with Lisa and DA throughout my family law journey. Lisa’s approach was not adversarial or aggressive, her advice was considered, wise and timely and I felt like I was empowered to be an active participant throughout the process. The final outcome of my property settlement was much better than I anticipated or expected.”
“I hadn’t anticipated that I was going to need a family lawyer so was caught off guard when it became apparent that not only did I need a lawyer, but I needed one within a fairly quick time frame. Not knowing where to start, and being in a somewhat stunned state emotionally, I initially sought recommendations from a collection of friends who worked in different roles within the family law sector. DA Family Lawyers were a firm suggested by a number of these people indicating that they are well respected by their peers and colleagues.
Please be clear that I have the highest regard for the role that you Amy, and your team, have provided throughout this matter.
Professional, responsive, compassionate and thorough.
You have ensured a page changing chapter of my life has been made with clarity and dignity that was always important to me.
I felt completely represented by you. In Law and Spirit and Integrity.
Deborah is a most professional operator. Deborah and her staff are most courteous and at the same time professional and resolution focussed in family law matters both in negotiations and the conduct of cases in court.
Steve Tropoulos: Senior Family Lawyer, Journey Family Lawyers
I have had the opportunity to work with Deborah on a number of matters; and at all times I have found her to be hard working, diligent and focussed on the best outcome for the children involved. As a colleague and the president of FLPA Deborah is always approachable and willing to listen to the feedback and comments fellow practitioners have to make.
Lorrie Brook: Owner at Our Children Australia
August 2, 2012, Lorrie was with another company when working with Deborah at D A Family Lawyers
Deborah has provided valuable assistance to clients of mine. Whenever a client requires a family lawyer, I have no hesitation recommending Deborah to them and knowing they will receive the service they deserve.
Robert Aitken: Solicitor Director at Aitken Whyte Lawyers Brisbane Lawyers
August 20, 2012, Robert was with another company when working with Deborah at D A Family Lawyers
I have known Deborah in a professional capacity. It has been a great pleasure for me to see Deborah impress me with her ability to attract and sustain interesting and exciting cases, balance her professional roles across fields of law, and manage a practice with firmness and empathy. She is always delightful to be with, invariably loyal and presents meticulously both in Court and in dealing with clients.
She is utterly reliable in attending to work demands, is hard-working, self-effacing, honest and caring. She has firm ethical beliefs and an implicit respect for the personal and religious beliefs of others. This is prevalent in her role at DA Family Lawyers and in leaderships roles within the profession.
It has been a pleasure to know Deborah and I would not hesitate in recommending her to prospective clients, or friends. I wish her the very best in her very promising professional career.
Anna Black: Barrister-at-Law
November 15, 2012, Anna worked with Deborah at DA Family Lawyers
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Emile Smith Rowe joins up with Huddersfield for first game
Emile Smith Rowe joined the Huddersfield Town squad for the first time as they faced Barnsley on Saturday, though he didn’t feature in the final 18.
Emile Smith Rowe during his first Huddersfield interview (Photo via HTAFC.com)
Unfortunately, the Barnsley game just came too soon for Smith Rowe. The deal only went through a day earlier, and Huddersfield boss Danny Cowley clearly wasn’t keen on putting the 19-year-old in without a few training sessions with the team first.
All the same, he travelled with his new teammates to watch the game. It ended 2-1 to Barnsley, but at least that shows some room for Smith Rowe to help out.
Speaking to Huddersfield’s website before the game, Smith Rowe discussed where he hopes to play in the team. Under Unai Emery, the teenager often had to play out wide, but under Freddie Ljungberg, he got a chance in the middle.
“I spoke to Danny and he told me that he’d like to play me in the number 10 or in one of the 8s,” Smith Rowe revealed. “Both are my preferred positions. He’s put a lot of faith in me and I can’t wait to get started.
“Huddersfield Town have a lot of great players. The 4-2-3-1 is a good formation for me to get into the 10 position. I can’t wait to meet the players and get training.”
It’s no real surprise to hear Smith Rowe say that. For the u23s, he always put in his best performances through the middle. He loves to play in teams that transition quickly up the pitch, leading those counter-attacks through the middle and picking out the right pass.
The loanee said as much himself, when the Huddersfield media team asked him about his strengths.
“I like to drive with the ball, create chances and score goals for the team. I like linking up all the time too; creating, scoring, driving with the ball.”
Huddersfield next face Brentford on Saturday 18th January at 15:00. It won’t be an easy game, with Brentford in excellent form up in third. Good luck to Smith Rowe if he makes his debut!
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Mourinho confirms small hamstring injury for Dele Alli
Jose Mourinho says Dele Alli has a ‘small’ hamstring injury, and he’ll miss Spurs’ visit to Bournemouth, ahead of the North London derby this weekend.
SHEFFIELD, ENGLAND: Harry Kane and Dele Alli of Tottenham Hotspur walk into the stands on July 02, 2020. (Photo by Michael Regan/Getty Images)
Speaking to the media on Wednesday, Mourinho ruled Alli out of Spurs’ game against Bournemouth on Thursday. Whilst he claimed it’s only a minor hamstring injury, it certainly casts doubt over the player’s ability to feature in the North London derby this Sunday.
“Small but not ready for tomorrow,” Mourinho said. “We know that he had a little sad history about hamstrings last season I think so it’s better to be careful and not risk when you know that he has a little problem there. So tomorrow out.”
It’s hard to know whether that will keep Alli out of the derby match this weekend or not. If he really has an injury, even a minor one, it probably won’t heal in time for Sunday. But if they’re only leaving him out as a precaution, the chances of a return are much better.
When in doubt, assume the injured Spurs player will be back fit and at 100% by the time they play against Arsenal.
For once, Arsenal are going into a game with a little bit of an edge on their opponents, when it comes to rest and recovery. After a very busy schedule to this point, the Gunners have a four-day break, their joint-longest rest period since football’s return.
The Gunners had two days off between Manchester City and Brighton, then four, two, two, two and two between the fixtures after that. So this is only the second time they’ve had three days or more.
Now we just need Bournemouth to at least make Spurs work, so Arsenal can get some benefit from the situation.
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Roy’s Stuffed Trigger Up For Sale
[imgbelt img=trigger.jpg]<p><p>Is nothing sacred.</p><p>We read that Christie's auction house is <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100709/ap_on_en_mo/us_roy_rogers_auction">selling Trigger</a>, Roy Roger's stuffed horse. The (stiffly) prancing palomino had been part of the Roy Rogers and Dale Evans Museum in Branson, Missouri. Apparently Roy and Dale don't pull them in like they once did and the museum is closing. So Trigger and all the other Roy Rogers stuff is going under the gavel. </p><p>Included will be Roy's 1964 Bonneville convertible (the one dotted with silver dollars and its door handles and gear shift replaced by silver-plated pistols, according to AP writer Eva Dou. Also on sale are performance outfits (think fringe), 60 pairs of cowboy boots (any eleven and a halves?), the trusty Jeep "Nellybelle" and the remains of Bullet, Roy's dog.</p><p>And, of course, Trigger.</p><p>The car is expected to go for up to $150,000. Trigger is estimated to bring between $100,000 and $200,000 — transportation not included.</p><p>Christie's claims they are overwhelmed by calls. And why not? "They were the Brad and Angelina of the time," said Christie's worker.</p><p>Well, let's hope not.</p></p>
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Is nothing sacred.
We read that Christie’s auction house is selling Trigger, Roy Roger’s stuffed horse. The (stiffly) prancing palomino had been part of the Roy Rogers and Dale Evans Museum in Branson, Missouri. Apparently Roy and Dale don’t pull them in like they once did and the museum is closing. So Trigger and all the other Roy Rogers stuff is going under the gavel.
Included will be Roy’s 1964 Bonneville convertible (the one dotted with silver dollars and its door handles and gear shift replaced by silver-plated pistols, according to AP writer Eva Dou. Also on sale are performance outfits (think fringe), 60 pairs of cowboy boots (any eleven and a halves?), the trusty Jeep “Nellybelle” and the remains of Bullet, Roy’s dog.
And, of course, Trigger.
The car is expected to go for up to $150,000. Trigger is estimated to bring between $100,000 and $200,000 — transportation not included.
Christie’s claims they are overwhelmed by calls. And why not? “They were the Brad and Angelina of the time,” said Christie’s worker.
Well, let’s hope not.
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Photo: Alberto Piovano
An existing office building for a Belgian weaving company was stripped and expanded for the making of a landscape office in an industrial context.
These industrial characteristics were retained through the overall appearance, the neutral use of materials and the modular design. However the monolithic character, together with the three oversized light boxes and the routing on the site, articulates the building as a new presence.
Starting from the lower parking area, the long catwalk with a high verge on the side serves as a visual buffer between the offices and the street traffic.
The main entrance is located underneath the first light box opposite to a hole in the verge.
Once inside, the strong axis of the catwalk is repeated in the central circulation.
Photo: Juan Rodriguez
The light boxes, marking the building in its environment, were inspired by the technical additions on the roofs of industrial buildings. In this case they create a strong image on the outside and a spatial effect on the inside, combined with plentiful natural lighting.
The sober façade with concrete and glass panels encloses the existing structure. The limited choices of materials with their specific characters define the office building as a neutral monolithic form.
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Willowemoc: Our First Conservation Easements
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On December 11, 1995, Delaware Highlands Conservancy received our first conservation easements: 158 acres of exceptional lands bordering Willowemoc Creek. The easements will help to forever protect this renowned trout stream and the surrounding natural areas from development.
The Willowemoc easements were first created in 1989 by the Willowemoc Land Conservancy. Director Herb Heaton established the Willowemoc Conservancy to hold the easements on his 112-acres and the neighboring 46-acres owned by Mr. and Mrs. Myron Friedman. The Heatons and Friedmans were the only members of the Conservancy, but they hoped to enlist more landowners to protect other properties along the Willowemoc. Unfortunately, that did not happen.
The Willowemoc Land Conservancy sought out the Delaware Highlands Conservancy after an extensive search for an appropriate organization to hold the easements when the Heatons moved to Arizona. We were honored to accept these easements, and used them to help publicize the values of conservation easements along the trout stream to landowners and to the communities bordering the Willowemoc and the Beaverkill. There was little zoning in place to ensure protection of these prized waters that are vulnerable to damage from silt and pollution that can follow development too close to the streams.
The stated purpose of these easements is “to protect in perpetuity the natural and open space character of the protected property.” Cutting trees, clearing and grading land, constructing roads and buildings within 200 feet of the bank of the Willowemoc are prohibited. However, new structures are permitted on the rest of the land. In fact, these easements permit the equivalent of 15-acre zoning. Other conditions provide for reasonable uses of the land while at the same time protecting the environmental quality of these particular forests, fields, and streams.
Our thanks to Herb and Olga Heaton and to Mr. and Mrs. Myron Friedman for entrusting these beautiful lands to our care and getting the Conservancy off to a great start. We always do our best to achieve our conservation mission here along the western watershed of the Catskills, and we will work with the new landowners to ensure that the conditions of these easements are respected.
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Tesla Motors’ Elon Musk just killed the petrol car
Tesla Model 3 sales jump to 276,000 in three days – or $A13 billion. That’s the quickest building order book in the history of the car. Analysts say it signals the demise of the petrol car, and the emergence of a new business model to make money out of mileage, rather than units sold.
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“Adios gas-powered cars.” That was the reaction of Barclays analyst Brian Johnston over the weekend to news that Tesla Motors had received orders for nearly 200,000 of its Model 3 electric vehicle in less than two days.
By nightfall on Saturday, that order tally had jumped to 276,000. That’s more than $US280 million in zero-cost capital to Tesla, from the $US1,000, $A1,500 and €1,000 deposits, and total orders for more than $A13 billion of electric vehicles.
276k Model 3 orders by end of Sat
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 3, 2016
It is – by a long shot – the fastest growing customer order book in the history of the automobile industry. And for a car that will not even enter production for 18 months, and has a price tag of $US35,000.
Barclay’s Johnston says the huge order numbers – more than the monthly sales of General Motors – suggests the tide is turning away from the internal combustion engine. Other analysts agreed.
“Tesla has changed the game again,” said Andrea James, an analyst with Dougherty & Co. Alliance Bernstein’s Mark Jones also called it a “game changer”, and so too did Evercore ISI analyst George Galliers.
“To us the vehicle is ‘the game changer’ and will likely play a critical role in Elon Musk’s desire to expedite the auto industry’s transition from internal combustion engine to electric,” Galliers wrote in a client’s note.
It’s hard not to agree with Johnston and the other analysts. There could have been no greater demonstration of the latent demand for electric vehicles than the response to the Model 3.
This is not just a Tesla thing, as alluring as the brand might be. It is a sign, noted Johnston and the other analysts, that the days of the internal combustion engine are numbered. Some say it may be over by 2025.
Musk has not played a lone hand in this. The German automaker VW managed to kill the future of the diesel car when it was forced to admit that its emissions claims were completely bogus – a development that forced it and other car makers to throw all their efforts into electric vehicles.
Then there are technology developments and environmental concerns. China and other countries are trying to kick petrol and diesel cars off the road to try to make their cities more livable. China’s BYD tripled EV sales to 150,000 in 2015, and expects that number to double each year for the next three years.
India’s roads minister last week was quoted as saying he wanted all cars to be electric by 2030. Norway intends to do this by 2025, and the Netherlands has said it will ban sales of new petrol cars from that date. And just to add to the mega-themes, Saudi Arabia said it is planning to establish a $US2 trillion sovereign wealth fund by selling off its state petroleum assets in preparation for a world beyond oil.
This, of course, represents a massive disruption to several industries that have dominated world economies and politics over recent decades. The big one is obviously the oil industry, but the whole structure of the auto industry is also being tipped on its head.
Electric vehicles do not just mean a different source of fuel – of electricity over liquids. Tesla has also managed to up-end the whole concept of networks and dealerships, which rely on repairs and maintenance to click over the revenues. That threat explains why some states in the US have refused access to Tesla cars because they won’t play by the rules.
And this is where it gets interesting – the fight for dominance in Auto 2.0.
Morgan Stanley analysts wrote in a note that Tesla – despite its many worthy accomplishments – had not yet truly disrupted the auto industry. Before last Friday it had been nothing more than a niche player.
“We are now getting a feeling that this may be starting to change,” they wrote.
“Elon Musk referred several times last night to the important stages of the company’s ‘master plan’, thanking the early owners of the Tesla Roadster for funding the Model S and thanking the owners of the Model S for funding the Model 3.”
And what would that master plan be? According to Morgan Stanley analysts, it’s not actually the volumes that will count. Musk’s vision, they say, if for a shared, autonomous electric transport network where revenue is generated through the sales of miles rather than units.
They noted Musk’s announcements during the frenzy of the Model 3 launch on doubling the numbers of stores and superchargers in the next 12 months.
“(That) starts to imply some very serious physical numbers of real estate and service assets in the field to support the captive ecosystem of a transportation megafleet,” the Morgan Stanley analysts wrote.
“Tesla is shouldering the costs of an ever growing physical network of captive service and free charging. While these costs could be considered partially a marketing expense today, we believe the proprietary network is critical to delivering mobility service-based revenue in the future.”
It is fascinating, though, to see how some in the media are reacting to this. My copy of the Weekend Australian did not include the story, and neither did my Monday copy.
The Australian Financial Review at least reported it, but tried to mock the event as a “launch resembling an environmental revival meeting.”
Really? Maybe that’s because Musk spent two minutes talking about rising Co2 levels and soaring temperatures and the need to do something about climate change. Clearly, the AFR is still shocked that corporations talk about such things.
As events go, it was as corporate as corporate events can be – slick video, music, displays. Slick products. Enough to generate more than 250,000 orders and potential sales of more than $13 billion. If that’s the standard, let’s have more environmental revival meetings.
It’s that kind of thinking, though – oh, that this is just a fad – that has got the automotive industry into the mess it has been in, along with the media industry, the telco industry, and now the electricity supply industry, and so many sectors disrupted by the internet. (I still remember the former editors of the AFR closing down the first iteration of afr.com more than a decade ago, on the basis that print sales would rebound and the “internet might go away”).
There are questions about Tesla’s ability to ramp up its production and meet this demand, and how many of these refundable deposits will turn into firm orders, and how much this new model will cannibalise the Model S.
All valid questions. Musk has already recognised that delivery will be the key and the need to rethink the company’s production plans. This already includes a possible new factory in Europe. Wouldn’t it be great if South Australia could attract Tesla to replace the petrol car production lines due to close in next few years?
But the shift from the petrol car to the electric car won’t ride on the ability of Musk to implement his strategy. The internet didn’t die because some firms that enjoyed early successes later collapsed so spectacularly.
The big story here is the untapped potential of the electric vehicle. If his master plan proves too hard, Musk’s legacy will be his ability to make electric vehicles an attractive consumer product, just as Apple did with the laptop and the iPhone.
When Musk began building his Roadsters eight years ago, EVs were seen as something useful for the golf course and the DIY community. Tesla built around 2,500 of those roadsters, and now it has pre-orders of 100 time that sports car’s entire production, two years out.
That, said one observer, surely establishes Tesla as the electric transport catalyst in the history of the world. “It really cements them as serious agents of change in the EV realm – exactly what Elon has been pouring his heart and soul into achieving,” said one.
Giles Parkinson
Giles Parkinson is a journalist of 30 years experience, a former Business Editor and Deputy Editor of the Financial Review, a columnist for The Bulletin magazine and The Australian, and the former editor of Climate Spectator.
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tsport100 5 years ago
Why does South Australia need to attract Tesla? We have our own home grown automotive talent about to be made redundant… (lets not forget the original Chevy Bolt show car was built by a team in Melbourne) what better way to re-ignite the Australian auto industry than to set them to work on the next generation of vehicles, with an Australian owned and funded operation…!!
Carl Raymond S 5 years ago
It’s taken more than 10 years for Tesla to go from startup to Model 3. There might be a niche that Tesla hasn’t yet captured (trucks, tractors, buses, utilities, boats), but it would be foolish to try to compete head on. Even GM’s well funded Bolt will struggle to get a foothold, unless GM decide to roll out a supercharger network.
Tesla has another key advantage in the Gigafactory – they won’t have to fight for batteries.
Alan S 5 years ago
Because here in Adelaide there’s been talk about an electric car industry for years and nothing’s been done. Sure, Flinders Uni developed an advanced electric motor in the 70s and UniSA have produced some good micro electric cars for the WSC. Meanwhile the ‘talent’ has been building 3.6 to 5.2 L monsters that appear to be well made and good value but insufficient people want to buy. Blade Electric Vehicles (Geelong) was a close as we got and that’s closed.
Rob G 5 years ago
I just want to see him expand globally, making cars in 20 countries thereabouts would see the collapse of petrol cars just that bit faster. And why any government, ours included, would not be paving the way for this to happen is an opportunity lost. I think South Australia should be considered given the skills we have waiting there. Now that would be true innovation….
neroden 5 years ago
Musk seems to respond best to Twitter. Ask him to consider an Australian factory specializing in RHD cars,.. not just for Australia but also for Japan, India, South Africa, and so on. Australia’s in the right location for the shipping routes to every RHD country except the UK.
Giles 5 years ago
We already did that … looking forward to response!
Antony Day 5 years ago
South Africa, which already has Mercedes and BMW factories, would be a better bet for them, Aus is hostile to manufacturing and more expensive
JonathanMaddox 5 years ago
Also, Musk’s native country…
Contestant No. 3 5 years ago
He’s not a big fan of his home county though. A lot of his motivation to change the world came from some pretty horrible experiences there. Ashley Vance’s Biography goes into more detail.
That may almost negate the home-country advantage but it still doesn’t make Australia a better place to invest (much as I’d love it, as an Aussie, to see Tesla building cars here).
Honestly, the big advantage Australia has over South Africa is that Australia already has disused auto factories with connections to active ports. Does South Africa have those? I don’t think so. It means Tesla may be able to get an auto factory really cheap, which is what they did in the US.
I don’t know about *disused* auto factories, but South Africa has a lively domestic car manufacturing industry and already exports some half-million cars each year. This is thanks to consistent government support for the industry. Alas, the words “Australia”, “government” and “consistent” have not gone together for some time.
etherspin 5 years ago
The Australian government consistently changes prime ministers every 18 months or so 🙂
TekFollower 5 years ago
Tony Seba (author of Clean Disruption) shows a picture of 5th Avenue in New York City from 1900 with the caption “Where is the car?” and a view of all horse drawn transport bar one automobile. He then follows it with a photo of the same street in 1913 with the caption “Spot the horse” to which the answer is “none” as it is all motor cars. Disruption happens quickly. Perhaps it would be a good time to take a similar picture and caption it “spot the electric vehicle”? My guess is that if you wait 13 years to take another it may well be possible to caption it “spot the gasoline car”.
2029? Hell yeah. That’s long enough — that’s eleven years after Model 3 kicks into mass production. Nearly everyone will have replaced their obsolete gasmobiles *eleven years on*.
Its the self driving bit that will fire an ak47 nail gun into the coffin of existing ICE vehicles. The safety stats for self driving (which can recalculate data millions of times a second during a crash in order to regain traction and deploy saftey manoeuvres) will accumulate over a couple of years and human error will be perhaps 100 times more prevalent thus driving tests will be made much harder than today’s advanced defensive driving courses, older drivers will be retested and fail,giving up their vehicle for a small electric or to use self driving public transport and taxi service style mini buses that know who to pick up via algorithm and demand, returning to solar bank charging stations between jobs
Brandon C 5 years ago
Tell me again why an ice car can’t self drive?
Too many variables to factor in I’d imagine,controls that are triggered by analog/levels rather than digitally monitored electrical inputs , extra weight and also less and less manufacturers making fancy ICE once autonomy close.I’m not aware of any petrol self drivers in development but am open to being corrected 🙂
That is just nonsense. The control of a car is identical for both the electric and ice car. Not to mention the entire ice control system is just as computer controlled as any electrical system.
The self driving system has absolutely nothing to do with how the car is powered. Volvo, Mercedes and Audi have all announced ICE based self drive programs. Google has a Prius, Audi TT and Lexus RX450 (at least 2 of those are gas hybrids, one has no hybrid version just ICE) . There is nothing special about electric cars. Remember that the actual driving and control systems in a Tesla use the exact same design as every other vehicle on the road. Not sure where anyone got the idea that self driving car needs to be electric.
Oh there was no nonsense at all, it all made sense , I was incorrect and as I said, I’m open to correction and you have very helpfully quoted car models so I can check more specifics of what Google is doing.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the self driving car programs. I really hope they can make them actually practical, although I do still enjoy driving for fun sometimes. I would also probably look at a tesla if I lived in a more practical location. But my Canadian location, typical longer drive distances and no inside parking would make this little more than seasonal second toy car. It is worth noting that self drive and autonomous programs are being put on everything from offroad military vehicles to harvesting combines.
I’d particularly love to see government run free shuttle bus services for elderly,multirow (individual door per row) electric. Picks up people who key in their destination and arrival window and does it according to efficiency algorithms, returning to charging stations to park when demand is low. Could also see congestion reduced by some roads specifically for larger electric autonomous where the road is laden with signals for the system so vehicles can drive at higher speeds
Cooma Doug 5 years ago
In 1900 there was a news article in New York that predicted a bubonic plague in the city caused by motor cars. The reason being that the plague was supressed by the decay of horse manure.
The extreme right wing pollies in Australia will come up with something just as stupid in 2020.
MaxG 5 years ago
We already have it with wind energy 😀
richmANZ 5 years ago
yes those illnesses without any documented cases
Peter B 5 years ago
Don’t think so, highly unlikely, do you have a copy?
In the early 1890s New York hosted a World Health conference on the limits to the growth of cities. Yes, it was horse manure. Piled up on vacant lots it attracted rats and other vermin creating disease; not stopping it! Without barge or rail road access more horses and carts just added to the problem.
The motor car improved the health of cities. But now just like “too much” of any good thing, the transition out of internal combustion to electric automobiles will help in restoring city health once again.
I can’t wait for the end of smelly exhausts and noisy cars. Let’s hope Musk succeeds and makes the transition happen in a decade. Can some one please support the manufacture of electric delivery trucks and remove the diesel trucks that seem to constantly run whenever parked for deliveries, morning tea or lunch.
Wait, don’t we have the Greens in Australia to do that?
wattleberry 5 years ago
What is suddenly becoming all too apparent is the health damage in cities being caused by pollution, supported by actual statistics of accelerated death rates. Now they cannot be ignored or minimised and have, overnight, converted the hitherto rather relaxed approach to the issue by the authorities into willful negligence.
It only remains for the media to make it into a voting factor.
And yet those filthy cities, used to be much much dirtier, and as air quality increased the last 30 years, health did not keep pace. In fact increases in medicine can be linked to almost all increases in life expectancy in our western cities. Poverty is a much better indicator of health, than pollution. We get near zero return in health benefits for pollution decreases in almost all Canadian and US cities. That doesn’t stop people from making models from questionable studies to save untold vitual lives. But well that is the state of our modern science industry.
ClarenceinBalt 5 years ago
Simplistic to the extreme.
The ICE was superior to the horse in every way that mattered to human drivers back then.
The Electric car still can’t match the ICE’s performance over long distances and convenience of quick fill up.
There’s also very few Tesla charging stations in or near Podunk, NM.
Lastly, people like me who live in inner cities don’t have garages and its almost a certainty that wireless power infrastructure (the only safe way to get power to EV around here unless you have your own spot in a private parking garage) will not be available in this neighborhood in 13 years.
We also don’t know the price of a ‘used’ Tesla and while I overall like the battery life and the slow degradation of performance , the fact is the battery is expensive to replace.
Most people in the US aren’t buying new cars they are buying 1 to 5 year old used cars or less than a year old ‘fleet’ cars. And plenty of people rent.
Plus, the EV has a bad reputation among some people that even Tesla will find hard to shake.
In the US I give the ICE (including hybrids) another 40 to 50 years of being viable. What Musk has shown is there is POTENTIALLY a big enough market for electrics of the modern type to be profitable and that is a big thing. But it’s nothing more than that at this point.
Mike333 5 years ago
My Republican friends would buy a Tesla.
It’s over for ICE.
cabidas 5 years ago
9 million ICE Toyotas were sold in 2015….
How many Nokia’s were sold in 2007?
Microsoft still outsells Apple, and still out capitalises them. And Nokias contracted moratorium ends this year….
Vic Webster 5 years ago
Clarence, your stance might be valid if batteries stop getting cheaper and stop getting better (in terms of kWh/kg, kWh/L, $/kWh and years of service ). Those of us who are most excited have been watching technology develop across many products for many years. All of those metrics can only go in one direction – improvement.
The Model 3 represents tipping point – battery cars now represent better value for money than ICE cars – at the $35K price point. After tipping point, the rate of improvement in all those metrics accelerates. Pull up a chart of $/watt for solar and take a good long look – until you can see through it into the future.
You seem to imagine I’m not in favor of electric cars. In fact, I very much AM.
However, I am aware of the sheer numbers of ICE cars, the sheer amount of jobs and infrastructure and political pull, and, as I am on the lower income scale of things and live in a big city, the PRACTICAL reasons that cheap ICE cars still will be a better deal than electrics – and sometimes, yes, the ONLY choice because you don’t get electrics without infrastructure and legal improvements- for a good 20 years at least.
As for your battery hype, I’ve been following battery technologies for years.
Yes, there’s been tremendous improvement.
No, the pace of improvement isn’t currently accelerating.
Indeed, it seems to be stymied.
After all, it’s not easy for even the most exciting technologies to be proved and implemented.
And I’m aware that Elon Musk himself said that he is in contact with just about all the major efforts to make better EV batteries, and that no super breakthrough was on the immediate horizon.
So a little bit of caution and realism is called for, rather than stupid hype.
I’m glad Tesla has 300 thousand pre-orders. I’ll be nice and assume they ALL convert into real orders by the time production rolls around.
Quite a few of them, possibly the majority, are outside of the US.
Getting this thing produced and delivered on time is going to take lots of money and will be a challenge, as Tesla, itself could tell you.
I wish them luck. But the ICE, at least in the US, is going NOWHERE for the next ten years,. even at ten times current adoption rates.
Odd that you feel batteries are not improving. The number on the back of the Model S represents battery capacity in kWh, and that number keeps getting bigger. That’s not hype, it’s real. I see them every other day on the road.
Yes, but I won’t feel that batteries have truly arrived until they get the following numbers:
Cost to replace: Under 1000 dollars, US
Lifetime in all temperatures of at least 80 percent original charge: 6 years or more, preferrably 10
Range, fully loaded, AC on: 400 miles
Time to recharge from zero to 90 percent full: 15 minutes or less.
Currently the only thing I’m reasonably sure of is that cost will come down due to the Gigafactory.
There is a steady improvement in driving range such that in 10 or 20 years time my 400 mpc might be available.
The other two metrics , esp the recharge rate have hardly budged on production model electric batteries.
That day may well come, but batteries don’t have to be perfect for the market to tip. They just have to be good enough to produce a car that’s better than an ICE car for the same money ($35K), and that day arrived 5 days ago.
Lifetime for Tesla batteries is *proven* to be upwards of 8 years (proven by the Roadster, which has actually been on the road since 2008). At this point it’s a safe bet that they will last 10 years or more; they’ll probably last 20 years or more.
Nobody cares if they have to spend half an hour recharging instead of 15 minutes. If your car can drive for 4 hours before it needs to recharge — as the Teslas can — the 30 minutes spent recharging is called “lunchtime”.
Jenny Sommer 5 years ago
Who cares how long the battery lasts when you still run cheaper after 5-10 years.
There isn’t much value left on the ICE after 10 years either and you will have Invested thousands on maintainance. It might even be complete junk because of the engine or exhaust.
Most cars are junk after 200k-250000km. My last Toyota didn’t get past emission testing after a little over 400.000km….that is after wasting 50.000€ in fuel.
All it takes for the EV is to beat ICE on €£¥$/km over it’s a lifetime.
Lifetime cost of a 30.000€ EV is about 1/2-2/3 of a 20.000€ ICE car.
People that are aware of their car costs will switch first.
Greg Hudson 5 years ago
Not much value left on the ICE car? I’m seeing it already… I have a 2009 Mercedes C class (cost AU$54k + taxes etc) which I have been trying to sell for 6 months. I’ve only had ONE person come and test drive it, and that is after dropping my asking price by $5k already. At this rate, it will end up in a scrap yard !!! BTW, my car has only 43,000Km (whatever that is in miles).
1000 dollars for the battery is astounding low considering they hold their charging capacity for near 200000miles and even then are reduced to around 80 percent original capacity by the time people hit that 80 degradation there will be more ubiquity of charging stations, I don’t think battery replacement is a problem except for taxi and fleet vehicles
I think your range figures are probably about right and charge rate I agree 15 minutes is important but 50 percent charge in that time would be adequate in a car that can do 400miles with AC.
Considering that the sedans have an empty bonnet as well as trunk we should see models with an extra 20% battery as an option
Ronan 5 years ago
Clarence, what battery tech have you been following?
There’s been a pretty consistent 8-9% PA increase in LiOn battery capacity for the past 5 years and Elon Musk predicts that will continue for a while. VAG’s chief engineer for future electric vehicles believes it will progress even faster than that.
Quite aside from those incremental improvements, there are a number of other battery chemistries that have the potential to provide disruptive change.
Lithium Sulphur and Lithium-Carbon-Carbon are just two such technologies and longer term (probably 10 years to commercial production) Lithium-Air batteries have a theoretical energy density approaching that of Gasoline.
Lithium-Air is currently problematic due carbonate deposits forming rapidly on the electrodes, but there are a lot of people working on this with several promising solutions already being tested in the labs. Here’s just one:
http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/04/hot-lithium-air-battery-preserves-its-electrodes/
I think your projections are overly pessimistic.
The ICE will be banned in big cities within 20 years.
Marka 5 years ago
I don’t think so, mainly because there will be so few of them around it won’t matter
DeathWarmedOver 5 years ago
Sooner in places like China and India. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-24566288
sola 5 years ago
I hope it will not be more than 10 years. Sometimes I choke on the bike when a particularly bad diesel passes me (even modern ones have horrific stink)
You’ve heard that the model X and model 3 have hospital grade biohazard ,gas and pathogen filtering air systems ? Its awesome .
Some of the Scandinavian countries have draft legislation to ban purchase/import of ICE by 2025
G’Day Clarence. IMO your comment re ”PRACTICAL reasons that cheap ICE cars still will be a better deal than electrics – and sometimes, yes, the ONLY choice because you don’t get electrics without infrastructure and legal improvements- for a good 20 years at least” may not be correct… The price of used Nissan Leafs are sure to take a hammering once the Model 3 appears on the streets – and there will lie your opportunity to go electric for the same price as an ICEmobile (maybe even less!).
Don’t forget the solar industry. Printable solar cells with ever increasing returns on power generation. Put that on your car’s external and hook it up to your power system. Fewer refills, falling to none as the technology matures.
Nice sentiment, but the panels belong in the sun, the car is best kept under cover when not on the road to maximise its life. Solar is capped by the amount of energy actually delivered by the sun per square metre. The surface area of a car is insufficient to power the car. If the sun packed that much punch we would fry. The roof area of a large garage, is sufficient.
You do know that Musk has heavily invested in batteries for housing, for just this reason. To store solar during non-peak times.
I also think you need to look that the curve of efficiency as solar is evolving. You need less and less area covered by solar to get increasing energy with newer technologies.
Jacinta Richardson 5 years ago
A 1 sq meter solar panel at the current theoretical efficiency will generate about 300W, an electric car uses 12.5kW. Fortunately cars have more space on them than only 1 sq meter and some panels have been seen to push that efficiency limit up to 45% (so about 450W).
So a car with 4 sq metres of panels operating at ~ 80% of their total capacity (shade, not traveling at noon etc) gives you about 1.25kW generation.
Having solar panels means you can go about 10% further on a charge. It’s not a lot, but it’s not too bad, either. It does mean that in perfect conditions, you could leave your car parked in the sun for a little under 10 hours and you’d have a full charge. Or 5 hours for a half charge. Useful for those days at the beach/visiting a friend/other times you drive somewhere, park on the street, and do other stuff for hours.
Up vote for the figures, but I’m the guy who parks 500m further away if it means shade and a nice cool car.
Peter Campbell 5 years ago
A solar panel on the car could be useful to run the fans to keep the car cooler when parked in the sun which would reduce the use of aircon when the car is driven again which would have an efficiency benefit. The amount collected to go into the main traction battery would not be much but would add complexity.
I agree on the sums about collection area. I did the same sum with my DIY converted car years ago and got a similar answer. Not worth the bother. Better value to add a bit more battery to the car and an extra panel on the roof at home.
I think there is a Toyota Prius model that already does this,powers the air conditioning on when parked in a sunny spot on a hot day 🙂
Yes, there is such a Prius. It is a good idea on any car.
Thats a small battery if you can get a full charge with 12kWh.
It’s good for about 50km.
Fay 5 years ago
I generate my own solar … the amount I generate is way more than I can use [power co’s pay me nothing when I feed back into the grid], so whilst garaged the car will be plugged in to what the “whole house” generates.
John Larkin 5 years ago
exxon troll
Bob_Wallace 5 years ago
Smile when you say that, partner.
Otherwise people might think you, well, completely out to lunch. Which wasn’t what I wanted to say but it will do….
Which point do you disagree with John?
Jason Inman 5 years ago
you will never reach zero refills because of solar power… not unless you don’t drive much, or far. There is a finite amount of solar energy that falls on each area of the earth, and that amount of energy is not nearly enough to move an object the size of a car at a useful speed… even with 100% efficiency. you get (at 100% efficiency) about 160 watts of energy every 24hours, for every square meter of surface area… so, assuming 3 square meters of surface area exposed to the sun (and given the shape of the car, that is a VERY generous estimation) it would take 6 DAYS to charge your car enough to move 100 km… and that is at 100% efficiency.
Valid points. Currently. You need to check up on the progression of power storage and project that into the future.
Wenona Rbe Makeit-happen 5 years ago
Does anyone remember reading that Tesla (the scientist) invented a device and put it in a car, which drew from the atmosphere (the void) instead of solar? That device did not require recharging, because it was constantly converting/drawing energy while “on”. If true, this is what people/scientists should be striving to find as the power source for everything (cars, homes, etc).
I forgot one metric – charge rate. That will undoubtably improve too. In fact if the incumbents are looking to survive, that’s the best way in – roll out a supercharger network that’s faster than Tesla’s.
Major Sceptic 5 years ago
I’m a pensioner , for daily duties I could use a Tesla for commuting around the burbs , but it’s still , not so versatile as internal combustion engined vehicle.
I can buy an SUV with a 1000 k range that will take the family and tow the boat or the van anywhere , or I can buy an economy car for half what economy Tesla costs and also has much bigger range, and in 10 years time it will probably still be going fine and I won’t have to swap out a $10000 dollar battery or whatever they are worth.
No doubt some can adjust their life style to the Tesla, but at this stage, for many people of just doesn’t stack up imo
Agreed, towing and bottom end are two edges of the market where it will take time for EVs to penetrate, however you can see where it’s going. First Tesla had the best $80K car. Now they have the best $35K car. It may be Tesla, or it may be a Kia or Hyundai who introduce the first $20K BEV and win that segment. But it is inevitable – Tesla have proven that the physics favour all electric.
You and I will need to resit driving tests after a couple of years of autonomous vehicles (which will likely all be electric) because their safety stats will make human drivers seem a public menace
Adam Grant 5 years ago
Even manually-driven vehicles will come to include collision-avoidance features that legislation will come to require in new cars.
Automatic braking will be required for all new cars sold in the US starting in 2022.
You might be right mate, and in all honesty I won’t mind being chauffeured around if and when the time comes ,
As an ex trucky I would be very happy to sit back and relax for a change, that being said,
I’m still a bit sceptical that they will work out all the complexities of the fully autonomous car for some time yet.
It Is one thing to program the thing to steer and brake , it’s another thing to read various road conditions and other drivers .
While computers might be smart in some ways they can also be very dumb, and personally I’m not ready to risk my life or my family’s until it’s well and truly 100 percent foolproof.
A little while ago there was a video of Tesla in self drive mode and, and it steered into oncoming traffic ,
only due to the owner steering it back on the right side of the road was carnage avoided, I’m sorry I don’t share your optimism in the autonomous cars for some time. .
The first step is to perfect the “Don’t drive into anything. Don’t drive off a cliff.” routines.
Then if the car gets confused, can’t make out the road ahead or whether the object in the road is a paperbag or a baby, then it alert the human aboard. Or pull to the side of the road and park. And, maybe, in the event of a fleet owned vehicle someone will take over and drive it remotely.
The Tesla that swerved into the wrong lane was a result of someone inappropriately using the “autopilot” program. The Tesla autopilot is only for clearly marked highways at this time.
Inappropriate or not Bob, that is often how things happen,
Don’t get me wrong, I do look forward to the day when they get the autonomous car worked out, and at a price that the average bloke can afford.
I suspect I wont be around to see it happen, I’d love to be proved wrong though.
You’re basically making an argument that since someone used a hammer to break a neighbor’s window that hammers don’t work to drive nails.
Autopilot seems to be working fine within the conditions is supposed to be used.
Tesla is saying fully (or very close to fully) auto driving in about three years. Hang on for a few more, I’m trying to….
Software “hackers’ will be another menace to keeping the vehicle and it’s passengers safe.
That may be an issue. A quick way to deal with it is to make sure there’s no way to change the car’s software without it being directly plugged into a “Tesla outlet”. Might have isolate the safety features and allow only a hard wire change.
etcbeatty 5 years ago
Human drivers ARE a public menace. 50K deaths per anum in the US alone.
Range is the biggest of the fallacies against EV. http://www.solarjourneyusa.com/EVdistanceAnalysis7.php
The Tesla’s run for 200k miles then your battery degrades to around 80% of its original charge but still very doable, you have next to nothing to change and service besides tyres.charging itself gets faster every year and soon enough your car will be passively charging wherever it goes with parking garages,shopping centres, restaurants, museums etc having charging as a draw card to come and use their facility . charge will become a non issue . Teslas are literally the safest cars in the world since the model S but with Musk allowing others to use supercharger protocol wait for dozens of Chinese models with lesser safety and low cost to emerge using this massive network. When autonomous features are legal to use families will be able to own an electric sedan, SUV,three seater micro and have these cars drive themselves to the section of extended family wanting to use that vehicle that day,it’s going to be bonkers .
Last time I looked Tesla was still a car, and despite having a different power unit, still has suspension, steering, cooling systems, gears, lubricants, solenoids, wheel bearings, air conditioning wiper blades, switches, electronics and battery’s, are you saying these things never need service ?
Tesla recommend once a year check where wiper blades and tyres are intermittently swapped but no there aren’t many consumable parts that break or need replacement at comparible increments to ICE cars. EVs have as much in common with RC cars from the 90s as they do combustion vehicles 🙂 http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1087086_tesla-model-s-maintenance-almost-none-required-actually
No gears .
it doesnt have a transmission like an ice car , but it does have gears and bearings and lubricants and cooling systems just like a normal car , and lots of electrics that are often more problematic than simpler cars ,
and comparing the complexity of a tesla to remote control car is laughable , like calling a herbalist a brain surgeon 🙂 , taking into account the degradation of the battery over x amount of years ,
i still think on an economic basis it doesnt stack up , but we will agree to disagree on which is better.
Lack of transmission and acceleration with less disposable parts are what places the paradigm halfway between ICE and RC for me 🙂
I reckon of we read up on some EV forums we’d find out how likely people are to need to replace bits and pieces on these cars with any relevant frequency, exciting times ey ! 😉
Yes that would be interesting mate , especially if you can find some long term ev owners ,
I used to be in the motor trade, and often the glossy brochures that tell you how economical a car is doesn’t always pan out when you actually become an owner and find out your economy cars servicing/ parts need special tools or skills no one else has or the parts cost an arm and a leg.
I look forward to learning more.
Brooks Bridges 5 years ago
My 1999 VW Passat, when I sold it 2 years ago, had 200,000 miles. Original shocks, clutch, transmission, suspension system, AC, switches, exhaust system, etc. I don’t recall ever replacing brake rotors (and EV’s have regenerative braking – even pads could last forever). I DID have to replace three engine cooling water pumps, fix an engine oil leak (expensive), a difficult to find engine cooling leak (expensive). Note that none of these will be on an EV. Oh yeah, had to replace wiper blades and tires. Shouldn’t be hard for an EV to beat that.
I remain sceptical my friend , seems like a lot of assumptions and still a lot of unanswered questions, don’t take it personally, but I’ll believe it when I see it.
I’ve learned it’s pointless to argue with some people. But here’s how his other current main business is faring; very well I might add. His booster nailed a landing at sea on an obviously non-optimal day – big waves and high winds.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/spacex-cargo-resupply_us_570497ece4b0537661881c8b?ir=World§ion=us_world&utm_hp_ref=world
You might also remember his previous successful ventures: paypal and Zip something or other. Solarcity, while he is only CEO and supplied startup money, is also a success. So that’s what, 4 solid successes, no failures?
His track record suggests failure with Tesla is highly unlikely; the continuing successes of Tesla suggest same.
You seem impossibly hard to convince.
I personally view Musk as one of the few bright spots on the bleak horizon of our future.
Perhaps i will be a bit more convinced when i see some long term owners costings , as the Tesla hasn`t been around that long, its a tall order, its been good chatting with you anyway.
Regards Major Sceptic.
“The Electric car still can’t match the ICE’s performance over long distances and convenience of quick fill up. ”
Not important. By the time the ICEV driver stops once to fill their tank, once for a meal and once for a pee they will have spent more than half the time it takes to stop twice and charge a half hour. The ICEV driver will arrive a few minutes earlier but with a lot less cash in their pockets. And they’ll spend 10 to 12 hours a year tanking up while the EV driver will simply plug in when they park.
They’ll be there soon. Tesla is talking about 7,000 Supercharger stations and 15,000 Destination Chargers by the end of next year. And they won’t stop there.
13 years is a long time. Digital replaced film is less time than that.
Once demand hits wireless curbside charging can be installed very rapidly.
Bill Toone 5 years ago
I heard this same negative story when the Prius was introduced. Change is happening.
(1) You’ve clearly never driven a Tesla. It is superior in every way to every ICE car.
(2) We know the price of a used Tesla. Check one of the national used-car listing sites (like autotrader or cars dot com). They hold a surprisingly large percentage of their value because they’re in such high demand.
(3) The batteries seem to last upwards of 10 years, which is longer than *cars* typically last. I wouldn’t worry about replacing them.
(4) If you live in the inner city, there’s no room to park cars of any sort. You should be taking the electric trains (subway, elevated, light rail). What, you don’t have electric trains? Hmm, maybe your government should do something about that.
90% of drivers will plug in overnight and possibly never have a situation where they are annoyed waiting for their approx 400km range cars to charge. People need toilet stops and meals as well as general shopping and the outlets for such will provide free charging as incentive to shop.
Brent Jatko 5 years ago
The opportunity for overnight charging is much less for those who don’t have garages, i.e., condo/apartment residents.
Very good point Brent, I overlooked this as an Aussie who hasn’t ever lived in one.perhaps these people will utilise parking garages that charge during the day while they are at work. An issue nonetheless
The important point is that the EV beats the ICE on economics.
This will definitely happen the next 10 years.
I won’t buy a car that cost double the money per km only to drive 1000km instead of 400-500 per fillup.
My current car only gets under 500km/75l
I never drove over 400km without stopping for a break. In fact I only drove more than 400km/day one time in 30 years and I did stop for several breaks in between.
This odd trip would cost billions of car owners thousands of $€£¥.
That’s why people that buy new cars will soon stop buying ICE cars.
Terry Casey 5 years ago
you will have self driving uber/lyft cars that recharge from free charging stations….transportation will be changing at a rapid rate…the signs are all there…add google and apple to the mix.
Yes, this will obsolescence at speeds unseen by anyone still alive . electric coupled with self driving will change everything. For 3 years of self driving news outlets will love feeding hysteria about safety but then statistics generated will mandate human driving tests quadrupling in complexity and people over 60 being retested every 5 years. Most elderly will get rid of vehicle (using electric, self driving public transport that can go at very high speeds on private roads) meanwhile roads will be mostly clear of trucks as Musk’s hyperloop will transport most goods to and fro
Jared Kenwell 5 years ago
If that happens, most of us will be taking public transit, as most people cannot afford those cars.
Teslas last two models are safest cars in the world and their fast charging tech is open patent for others to use.cheap Chinese EVs will come thick,fast,cheap.
stefano cavallucci 5 years ago
maybe less than 13y….
John Gamboa 5 years ago
“It’s a vintage collectible!” XD
Lindsay 5 years ago
Lets get real here. All that prospective customers had to do is stump a $1000 refundable deposit with no required commitment to buy. Whilst it is an encouraging sign, lets just see how many proceed with the purchase when the time comes.
I intend to wait a couple of years when there should be a wide choice of vehicles to choose from.
tokenpom 5 years ago
Perhaps, though, this is also the moment when Tesla become a ‘Brand’ ?
A car is just a Car, until some operative puts a BMW, MB or Porsche badge on it, at which point it takes on all of that brand’s connotations of reputation and legacy.
So perhaps people are no longer just buying a big battery with a comfy chair and wheels, they may have begun to much more actively ‘buy in’ to a company that has attempted and maybe succeeded in changing the Automotive world ?
You could very well say the same thing about Henry Ford early last century. Ford may have been the largest car manufacturer at the time, but it is far from the largest these days.
jeffhre 5 years ago
IMO gotta be perceived as a “brand” before 325,000 people hand you $1000 for the opportunity to buy a $35,000 car in the next 16 – 24 months. And 110,000 people make that decision without even seeing the car.
Barri Mundee 5 years ago
The article did make the point that Like you, I will wait and when my IC vehicle needs replacing on the next 3-4 years there will be more choice and prices will have come down more.
Order count is slowing, but still climbing. I think you will find that the orders that flow in tomorrow will more than cover any that tire of the wait. Reading Musk’s tweets today, it appears we have a “but wait, there’s more” session yet to come in part 2 of the launch (closer to production). Just can’t see any lack of orders on the horizon.
I’ve been looking at plug-is a while and said to myself several times “that’s good enough – why not?” I leased a Volt for 3 years and went back to the same, some of these are OK, why not buy pattern once the lease term ended.
I stood on line and put my order in early, so that I am not beholden to Tesla’s changing production schedule and priorities. And I am in Southern California! I’m not going to worry about that “wide choice of vehicles to choose from.” They are all too late already, I did something about changing my transport mode on March 31st.
I think it is great news; the disruption is happening; the nay-sayers will take a bit longer to catch on, but who cares, futures has always been made without them 🙂
Take note of Norway, and in particular the Netherlands who will ban new ICE cars by 2025.
The ban is a good thing to declare, but I doubt it will be necessary. Nobody will want an expensive vibrating sluggish car with an exhaust pipe and a fuel cap that demands grease and oil changes.
It would be like outlawing box televisions today.
More like outlawing coal-burning stoves. There will still be jackasses who use ICEs just to be jerks — google “rolling coal” — and the law will be used to get rid of them.
Derick Ip 5 years ago
What makes you hate ICE cars that much? They served you and global citizens well for the past century or so. Have you drove a Tesla before? If you do, I can tell you its boring as fuck. Press on the accelerator, tada you are at 60 miles per hour, quiet which is good, but there are no emotions to it and definitely not fun. A good comparison to Tesla will be Ai Alpha Go. Intelligent? Yup. Efficient? Yup. Better than Humans in solving complex tasks? Yup. Let’s replace humans with robots. Like what you said, with the rate technology is advancing, humans will be obsolete sooner or later. How are humans better than robots? Humans get sick and die, Robots don’t.
The Keeling Curve (if not familiar, please google). I don’t hate ICE cars. I just understand that the world needs to change fast to save my grandchildren from the CO2 crisis.
If robots one day become the threat that CO2 is today, I will fight that too.
I think you might need to fight yourself first, the very existence of humans are the main cause of inflated CO2 levels which is damaging planet earth.
No, it’s not the fact we exist, it’s the way we exist. If the latter doesn’t change, the former will.
I think you meant inflating, not inflated. The Keeling curve is still rising. Has been since the industrial revolution when we started burning coal in earnest.
Yes ICE cars have served us well and they have been refined to high degree. But in today’s world they still produce a lot of pollution, are complex and costly to maintain-particularly as they age.
Boring EV’s? I guess that is a matter of taste and preference.
I want a safe, quiet and low environmental impact vehicle.
Yup I agree, boring or not, it’s a matter of taste and preference. But in my opinion, not taking environmental impact, batteries or whatsoever into consideration, it’s beyond my understanding how you find driving an Electric Vehicle more fun than driving a A45 AMG Mercedes Benz? Or if AWD isn’t your cup of tea, how about M135 or M2 from BMW? The sheer pleasure you get from hearing the revs and going into corners should make the Tesla seriously boring. I really want to like Tesla cars, but it just doesn’t connect emotionally with the driver, for those who love driving.
And with regards to pollution, if you take a look at the recent case of Tesla in Singapore (www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/un-body-on-tesla/2589878.html), even if the Tesla has no tail-pipe CO2 emission, you have to account for CO2 emissions during the electricity generation process, which means you factor in the emission from Grid to Wheel. As such, it highly depend on your country’s source of grid power. If majority of electricity is generated from Solar or Wind, well fair enough it lowers CO2 emission significantly, same goes for Nuclear but you should understand the drawback of using that. Whereas, “The carbon dioxide emitted from transforming oil into petrol or gasoline is limited and is estimated at approximately 10 per cent of the CO2 generated by the engine when the car runs.” I think we really need to get down on the actual statistics on each country before we can objectively evaluate how much more environmental friendly EVs are.
Last but not least, how about road infrastructure? It works for Australia, North America, good for you. But I am sure it doesn’t work for some places like Hong Kong, if you have been there. Should we legislate and change all the roads to accommodate Tesla’s self-driving capability? The self-driving function is banned here in Hong Kong and if you have been to Hong Kong you will understand why.
Have you looked how the Netherlands generates it’s power? It just turned on a new coal plant in 2014…..
Askgerbil Now 5 years ago
More recently, November 26, 2015: “Dutch lawmakers voted in favour Thursday of phasing out coal power plants in the Netherlands”
“”But Rutte has opposed the proposal, saying it would lead to electricity imports from so-called “brown coal” power plants, which produce more harmful emissions than black coal power plants.
“These power plants are not nearly as super modern as three of the newest coal power plants in the Netherlands,” Rutte told parliament on Wednesday””
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dutch-lawmakers-approve-plan-close-coal-power-plants-210759138.html
Easy to close down your power plants when you can just import it from next door. (Pretty much the strategy of South Australia. Look green. Import brown coal when things get lean).
They also will replace it with gas. Dunno if you’ve been to Vic, but the greenies and the farmers don’t want onshore drilling…….
“”If, or when, coal power plants are phased out, gas power plants are likely to run to a higher extent next to an additional import of electricity.”””
http://news.vattenfall.com/en/article/coal-be-phased-out-netherlands
Always pays to read past the headlines….
Always someone who wants to pour cold water on great ideas.
Brian Tehan 5 years ago
Even if you charge an electric car using 100% coal electricity, it’s still more efficient than petrol. I don’t believe that the Netherlands is anywhere near 100% coal power, though.
About 25%. And nuclear about 4% (with it’s closure date continually being pushed back). Majority gas. With some biomass.
Tom Moore 5 years ago
Neigh, neigh, neigh!
Yes…one in 3 years. Enough said.
Where do you live Max
coomadoug@gmail.com
This isn’t a dating site.
Charles 5 years ago
“Hot new zero-emission vehicles are looking for drivers in your area!”
HAR!
“It is fascinating, though, to see how some in the media are reacting to this. My copy of the Weekend Australian completely did not include the story, and neither did my Monday copy.
Do those publications carry much automotive advertising? I hear that Tesla do very little.
Ben 5 years ago
All news media is skewed towards news stories to compliment their revenue streams but for the Australian to not even make a mention just shows it lacks any credibility at all.
Have you seen any mention of the Basslink outage in the Melbourne papers? Hasn’t even got a sentence. And the Tasweigiens are ready to fire up the distillate cause the can’t get hold of Vics brown coal cause they got too greedy with the hydro during the carbon tax and have run out of water. News? *Crickets*
The story I want to read is – why is it so difficult to fix the cable? Given the cost of outage, you would expect all resources to be thrown at it.
This topic could go on for pages, but in short – the Tas Hydro dam levels at the end of the carbon tax were within a couple of percent of what they were 4 years earlier (2 years before the carbon tax came into effect).
yes they do. as a former deputy editor of the AFR i can’t believe they would be influenced so directly by advertisers. But i think the current leadership slants a lot of their coverage to their ideology, which is much more to the right than it has been in the past. During the internet boom, the paper thought that change was good and exciting. During the clean energy transition, it views it as bad and disruptive.
MSM rarely report on new vehicles except in the Auto pages. Nothing new here.
Not so much a new vehicle, as an alternative to using petrol to make vehicles move. That’s font page news in my book.
Says the man who is already driving a Leaf. Clearly it’s yesterdays news… I look forward to interesting developments in the auto industry every week. And every week it comes in the form of Carsguide on a Friday…. So far Tesla hasn’t achieved anything. Only held a big event committing itself to promises…
You might see something in the financial section at some point…
Snielsss 5 years ago
Can we zoom out for a moment? And appreciate this man? In a time of corruption everywhere, politicians that say one thing, but do another etc.. This man shows how much progress we as human beings can make, if we put our minds and hearts to it. I feel proud again. Elon is awesome.
… and to all those who work at Tesla, congratulations on producing a car destined to become legend, and the three prior models that made it possible. Thank you – awesome job.
Geoff 5 years ago
frgough 5 years ago
You do realize that Tesla hasn’t made a dime in profits, right? They lose more money every year. In 2015, they lost over $800 million dollars. The only reason they stay in business is corporate welfare.
Amy 5 years ago
…And they pay their employees and they CHANGE the PARADIGM. That is not a bad thing…
Tesla makes a lot of money on each car they manufacture. Tesla has one of the highest gross profit margins in the business. Only Porsche may have a higher GPM.
Tesla is spending a lot of money growing their business. They are not losing money. Tesla is doing what growing businesses do, they invest money in growth and future profits. That shows up as a loss on their bottom line, but people who know how businesses become successful understand that.
They lose money. That is how money works, more out than in and it’s a loss. They may some day make money, but so far his business model has relied on grants, rebates and government loans. The $7000 tax credit against his cars is also a government subsidy that will not continue as sales grow. Since he has not actually supplied all these cars, it remains to be seen if he can now build them and make a profit doing it. He has to do alot of infrastructure and supply spending to make all those cars. His spending as growing his business, is mostly just to actually create it in the first place. I wish him luck, but i am also a bit sceptical.
Brandon, you seem to lack a basic understanding of how one runs a business, especially when it comes to growing a business.
As for the $7k federal subsidy, that goes to the buyer and not to Tesla.
You are correct that Tesla will now to spend money on infrastructure and supplies, as well as employee training, in order to meet the remarkable demand for the Mod 3. There are now over 300,000 on the waiting list. That spending? It’s what uses up the GPM created by Tesla’s current manufacturing operations and creates the negative bottom line which you interprete as a “loss”.
I am well aware how business works. My point on the 7K subsidy, is that it will make a tesla car more attractive because it lowers the actual selling price for consumers, but it will not continue forever and will raise the consumers buying cost to the full sticker price. Wanna bet how big a sales spike there would be for Honda civic or Chevy Malibu if the government offered anyone who buys one 7 grand back? There is definitely high short term demand, but will it translate to continued demand? Can they sell that many cars every month like Toyota or GM? There is a huge infrastructure to build to make these cars, can he build it all and produce the cars….and still make a profit? I am not saying he can’t, but so far he has not proven that his business model can actually turn a profit. It is almost a given that his foray into house batteries is an attempt to try and expand into a simpler market and a easier to produce product. But what happens if material prices rise? I can point to thousands of companies that had wonderful plans that got undercut by material shortages, labour disputes, new bylaws, etc etc.. I hope he can make it work, I always enjoy and encourage innovation, Some of his innovations would be welcome on all cars. But he still hasn’t produced any of these cars, so there is a long way to go before there is a 300,000 cars built and driving. yet.
(Gee, guy, did your mother never tell you about paragraphs?)
When the US federal EV subsidy was initiated EV batteries cost somewhere around $400/kWh or higher. Just a few years back they were commonly held to be $1,000/kWh. The reason for the subsidy was to build a large enough EV industry to bring battery prices down.
As of October 2014 Tesla was paying Panasonic $180/kWh for the cells it used. There was a later report that the price was down to $150/kwh. GM has stated that it will pay LG Chem $145/kWh for the cells it uses in the Bolt.
It’s OK if the subsidy goes away at some point. It’s work will be done. EV manufacturers will be able to drop their asking price because their cost of manufacturing will have dropped significantly. Not many years back the cells for Tesla 85 kWh pack cost, probably, $34,000 (at $400/). A year and a half ago the price would have been $15,300 (at $180/). When the Gigafactory is running their cost is expected to be around $130/kWh or $11,050 for an 85 kWh pack. And batteries are expected to fall to $100/kWh or lower in the following few years. Down to $8,500 for a 85 kWh pack.
From $34,000 to $8,500 is a drop of $25,500. A lot more than the $7,000 sweetener.
Tesla is making a profit manufacturing cars right now. Tesla has been making a profit manufacturing cars for a long time. Tesla has close to the highest gross profit margins in the car industry.
https://ycharts.com/companies/TSLA/gross_profit_margin
What looks like a loss to you is really money that Tesla is investing in growth. Tesla is taking all the money made manufacturing cars and plowing it back into making the business grow and borrowing money to grow the business.
Spending more than you earn is a loss. But in the case of a growing business it is not a loss, but an investment in future earnings.
Can Tesla fulfill the 300k+ orders?
The plant they own in Fremont was, at one time, turning out 500,000 Toyotas a year. There’s space. The Gigafactory at full production will produce enough cells and battery packs for 500,000 Tesla EVs a year. Tesla also has a casting plant in Lathrop and purchased a tool and die factory in which to make the equipment they need to run their car factory.
Is that a guarantee that Tesla will be successful? Of course not, stuff can happen. But it does show you that Tesla has a route planned to move into manufacturing half a million cars a year starting in 2020.
They are losing money. Even with many subsidies (somewhere around 2 billion they don’t have to repay). These subsidies versus the number of cars they have produced so far, gives them subsidies so far somewhere between 30 and 40 grand per car. Not counting the 7 grand buyer subsidy.
https://ycharts.com/financials/TSLA/income_statement/quarterly
Gross profit is only half the story when you still have to factor in costs of R and D, infrastructure and subsidies. They are losing money, period. They are spending more than they have taken in, despite government subsidies. They may be able to actually turn a profit, but it will be much harder when your product is worth less than half the price (why car companies like SUV’s, because they make a higher profit margin than cheaper cars). Time will tell. But nothing they have shown yet, proves they can actually make 327,000 cheaper cars and turn a profit. Only that so far with huge subsidies, big loans and 70,000+ price point, they still are losing money. The financials don’t lie.
Tell you what, Brandon, I’m just going to tell you that you are right.
I’ve tried to explain to you a couple of times the difference between losing money and investing but you seem to not want to understand that.
You have a nice day, Brandon.
Bob is right Brandon – investment is not loss – it delivers income down the track. I’ve seen this topic debated half a dozen times now. If Tesla were ‘losing’ money, they wouldn’t have survived 10 years. And there is no way 325 thousand people would have placed a Model 3 deposit – accountants would be warning all their relatives to stay away.
Try listening to the next earnings call live. I’ve found that a good way to get a better understanding of how growing companies operate.
Don’t overlook Tesla’s stock price. People are not going to pay the sort or price Tesla commands if the company is a money loser.
Investors are buying future earnings. They see a company with a lot of promise, a company that shows signs of large growth. A company that is spending the money it takes to become a major player.
Tell me again about Enron and how good stock prices and shrewd investors are infallible. I actually like Musk and Tesla, but People just need to see that this is a risky venture that still stands a moderate chance of failure. Musk is taking a risk, but he is doing it mostly with other peoples money.
The company is building up steam and increased demand, which helps. But it only takes a few missed deadlines or missed price points and the stock tanks and there are billions left unsecured. I hope it succeeds, but getting older gives one the experience to recognize that many similar situations didn’t work out so well no matter how much people wanted them too. Often for small or seemingly unrelated reasons. A regional war or strike by mine workers could double the costs of lithium overnight, for example.
Not willing to do that, Brandon. Your mind is made up and I’m not wasting time on you.
Your funny. My mind is made up? You will not hear a single even slightly negative word against tesla.
My points are still valid. Tesla has so far got free subsidies they don’t have to repay, equal to nearly 40 grand for every single car they have ever built. Cars that so far still cost $70,000+. That level of support will be unlikely to continue into the future. That will have a negative effect on profitability going forward.
They have seen some costs fall, but they are going heavy into a car market with much tighter margins and lower profitability per unit. Small miscalculations eat up large amounts of the smaller profit margins. There is along way to go between an initial pre-sale and delivered units at predicted costs. And their slow predicted increase to production numbers won’t help.
This is a high risk market that has been made somewhat less risky by government handouts and loans, but it is still a high risk market. The automotive industry is notoriously hard to predict. Imagine the effect unionization might have, and UAW wants tesla badly. Or with demand for lithium doubling yearly, could cause price increases beyond the current already high yearly increases. But there could be possible savings, such as lower wages in a struggling economy, and moving to cheaper states for some stuff. Or some material prices dropping.
I still hope they succeed, but I don’t hold unreserved optimism. I have guarded optimism, from experience with similar situations in the past. You have offered nothing to move from cautious optimism to unreserved support.
Enron ?? ok please take that back…
There are dozens of companies I can name off the top of my head that lost money for at least a decade, GM comes to mind before the bailout. But comparable because they government has given tesla over 2 billion in free money and over a billion in interest free loans. Sorry but that is a silly argument.
It is a publicly traded company and they have to post quarterly results as such. They “lost” 889 million last year. That is not negotiable. They spent 718 million on R&D last year and some additional costs, that they didn’t have income to offset. It isn’t rocket science. They may in the future start to produce more sales than costs, but they have not done that yet…..ever. Period. This presale in advance of building (Very advanced if you read further on) actually is a nice way of using future sales to offset current R&D costs to future sales. It is always a risk but the amounts for individuals is low, so why not.
People put money down for non-existent stuff all the time and half the time it never materializes, or the final deliver costs rise. It says nothing about company health, only that it sounded good Condo’s are the most common example. In this case people put down a 1,000 bucks, But unlike many presales they can change their mind at any time and get their money back. No accountant would warn against that, it is a risk free choice.
What did 327,000 people actually get? A place in line for a future car.
Not the same as actually putting down full price. And what about that $7500 tax credit many buyers will be counting on in deciding to buy? It begins to phase out when a manufacturer’s cumulative sales hit 200,000 (essentially, a 50 per cent reduction six months after hitting the 200,000 mark; complete elimination a year later). Since Tesla has already sold more than 50,000 EVs in the U.S., a good number of those 300,000+ buyer will not actually get it and many will drop out because $7500 extra costs than anticipated hurts.
And when will they get them?………..
Estimates are for no more than 25,000 of these models 3’s completed by the end of next year and up to 100,000 by the end of 2018. And maybe as long as 2020 to fulfill this current backlog. ( I am being generous here since most estimates are a bit more cynical) How many will still want this car 1, 2 or more years on? What else will become available before tesla can actually deliver on a reservation?
To use the stories own numbers, by the time Tesla hit 120,000 model 3’s, GM will have sold nearly 6 million ICE cars alone. Plus the other car manufacturers. Not so much the end of fossil fuels as the end of common sense. It looks like a neat car and I hope Tesla can actually make it work and start making money. Time will tell.
Floridared 5 years ago
Brandon, relax.
They do not make money now because that is not in the master plan.
They will make money after battery costs go down, and by leveraging superior software.
Sounds familiar? Think laptop and cell phone industries. And a certain other company in California.
Right now, everything is going to plan. Hence the stock price at all time highs
I am relaxed. I realize that starting a new company requires huge investment, but I also recognize that new companies (especially in a new field) have huge risk.
I really do have high hopes for Tesla, I like their innovation and design sense. But I can also point to soooo many past companies that were the new greatest thing, but also failed due to unforeseen complications or things beyond your control.
A company with a high stock price but losing money (assuming that this is because the greatest sales are down the road) is the highest risk. It only takes very little to make the stock drop and leave the company billions of loss. Look at that other California company (not sure why we can’t say it, unless it is Voldemort level evil?), their stock can fluctuate 10+% on unsubstantiated rumours or missing sales targets by a couple percentage points. But they have billions in cash reserves to ride out short term stock drops, tesla does not because they have had sustained losses for a long time.
you think people are buying a tesla model 3 for a subside….you completely don’t get why people are so excited that tesla and model 3 exist,Also comparing a old industry car company like GM to tesla also won’t help you understand….yes tesla has a long way to go but remember elon musk made these exact predictions 8 years ago…watch and learn.
John 5 years ago
I am going to be completely honest with you. The single reason why i signed on was due to the 8000 rebate my government gives me… Not gonna like it takes my costs down relative to a volt and leaf. If they didnt have a rebate i doubt i woild have put a deposit down. (I dont make too much as a millenial in my early career). If i had to choose, and rebate was not there id be honest with you. Id go with a volt. Price wins at the end of the day for me…
Many, definitely more than half, would reconsider (or at least reduce optional extras) without the credit. Having talked electric cars with many enthusiast, the credit always turns up as a motivation to buy. And now he is trying to appeal to a wider population base. It may surprise you to learn that most people could care less about the environment, they are seduced by the word “cheap” and “drive for pennies a day”.
Also don’t get too wrapped up in marketing. Telsa has hit and missed a lot of their targets over the years. Your model 3 will not actually hit the street until the later half of next year, well behind his initial plan to offer a cheap sedan (although it looks very hatchback to me) for the masses.
Musk understands the importance of marketing and building excitement, but that carries it’s own risk due to higher expectations and greater discord for missed targets. That can kill stock prices. He is walking a fine line between pushing back timelines and pushing up demand. Remember one thing here, there is absolutely nothing stopping “old industry” from creating similar cars and flooding the market once tesla has established their is enough market demand.
As big as his presale is, it is a drop in the bucket of global car sales. Last I heard he was up to about 330,000 presales. A nice accomplishment. But 1.5 million ICE cars were sold in march this year alone. These are cars delivered to owners, not presales for the next 4 years. 330,000 cars delivered over 4 years, is not even going to register in global car sales. Most of those competitive manufacturers have a similar vehicle to the Telsa 3 coming this year or next. Many people will go for a car they can get today as opposed to one they have to wait years for. I like Tesla, but it is still a boutique manufacturer and electric cars are still a small market.
ThaEff 4 years ago
So did Rush Limbaugh for like the first ten years of his show.
Yep. And for the skeptical they can check Tesla’s gross profit margin here-
And take a look at how well Tesla does compared to other manufacturers.
lex 5 years ago
I wonder what the candidates for US president would have to say about all that disruption, in particular of blue collar jobs, Since most of them are men (who don’t seem to count in terms of targeted policy) probably little or nothing.
There are more solar jobs in the US then carbon jobs already.
Chris 5 years ago
now free energy.. imagine the whole world using free energy? then frees everyone to do more and other things. 😉 lets evolve our species guys
Tony Noli 5 years ago
LENR is here in ten years. Free, I don’t know but cheaper and better for the environment yes 🙂
And I am with you about evolving humans. Imagine the world in hundred years 🙂
Evolution is a response to changing external circumstances and occurs via natural selection occurring at the level of the gene. We don’t evolve ourselves through a conscious act of will.
With America Inc. (and its mini-me version in Oz) cultivating the weeds, change will not occur in a direction which benefits any man or beast who will inherit this once glorious planet
nryn 5 years ago
I like electric, but I don’t think I’m ready to say adios to cars like Miata just yet. They’re affordable, look great and drive great too
Webber Depor 5 years ago
Am i the only one who does not like elon. He tries to undercover his religion(jewish). Why someone tries to hide his/her religion? And he calls toyota bullshit because he knows toyota is doing just fine in USA market
Gyrogordini 5 years ago
Why bring religion into it? Completely irrelevant, and in fact verging on nasty. Get over it. Look at the man, his ideals, his vision, his enthusiasm, his success ss so far, in other fields. Like all leaders he is flawed, but on balance, his shoes are ones that people should aspire to fill -if not copy – not strike down.
why someone says i am christian when he is jewish? Thats a question. And her first wife, Justine musk looks like …. . different. google her you will see. There is somethig strange about this man
blueseeker 5 years ago
And Steve Jobs was an asshole. Do you use an iPhone?
I don’t use an iPhone, but that has little to do with Steve Jobs’ personality and much to do with the deal I got on my Android phone.
What’s so “different” about her?
She looks like a normal human being to me; it’s not like he married the green-skinned Orion slave girl from “Star Trek” or anything.
http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/advice/a5380/millionaire-starter-wife/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptFYmNuRNyQ&nohtml5=False
Found her speech somewhat tedious and her body language distracting, but honestly didn’t find her out of the mainstream.
“Still, there were warning signs. As we danced at our wedding reception, Elon told me, “I am the alpha in this relationship.” I shrugged it off, just as I would later shrug off signing the postnuptial agreement, but as time went on, I learned that he was serious. He had grown up in the male-dominated culture of South Africa, and the will to compete and dominate that made him so successful in business did not magically shut off when he came home. This, and the vast economic imbalance between us, meant that in the months following our wedding, a certain dynamic began to take hold. Elon’s judgment overruled mine, and he was constantly remarking on the ways he found me lacking. “I am your wife,” I told him repeatedly, “not your employee.”
“If you were my employee,” he said just as often, “I would fire you.””
Doesn’t sound like she’s off her rocker to me; she just made a mistake marrying the guy.
“Her name is Talulah Riley, and she played one of the sisters in 2005’s Pride and Prejudice. Two of the things that struck me were: a) Pride and Prejudice is a really good movie, and b) My life with this man had devolved to a cliché.At least she wasn’t blonde. I found that refreshing.”
this must be a joke. and where are the kids?
I’m done trying to discuss this with you.
You won in the sense that your stupidity forced me to give up.
Bye, wall.
WTF. you are the one who upvotes all my posts. and i did not try to convince anyone. i never did. bye
FRom the article you linked: “Still, there were warning signs. As we danced at our wedding reception, Elon told me, “I am the alpha in this relationship.” I shrugged it off, just as I would later shrug off signing the postnuptial agreement, but as time went on, I learned that he was serious. He had grown up in the male-dominated culture of South Africa, and the will to compete and dominate that made him so successful in business did not magically shut off when he came home. This, and the vast economic imbalance between us, meant that in the months following our wedding, a certain dynamic began to take hold. Elon’s judgment overruled mine, and he was constantly remarking on the ways he found me lacking. “I am your wife,” I told him repeatedly, “not your employee.”
As far as the speech goes, I found her speech somewhat tedious and her body language distracting, but I honestly didn’t find her out of the mainstream as far as feminists go; I’m a bit of a feminist myself.
“Am i the only one who does not like elon.”
Probably not, but “nice person to hang out with” and “disruptive entrepreneur” don’t overlap much in my Venn diagram ;-).
What ? He is agnostic isn’t he ? He was asked relatively recently about God and said something about the maths of that idea not working for him
DC 5 years ago
Well that’s a sensationalist headline. Jesus…. It ain’t over yet.. Lol. There’s nearly 1.5 Billion Petrol cars out there, Tesla is 0.001% of that by 2025 in the best cast scenario
Thank you for showing some sanity.
It’s like confusing the pastoral land of England in say 1700 with the same land in England in 1750 at the time of the Industrial Revolution.
It’s pretty easy to lay down the initial infrastructure.
Whats hard is converting decades or centuries old , massively deployed infrastructure for something else.
Take oil for example. Even if the Magic Car Fairy made every single ICE car disappear tomorrow (or converted them all into running on Sunshine and Unicorn Farts), oil would still be massively used. Why? Because its used in HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of chemical products and building materials, not all of which it can be easily or cheaply substituted for.
Some , yes. I suspect pretty much all EVENTUALLY. But eventually means from 1 year from now to maybe a century from now.
So no, Elon Musk will not single-handedly kill the ICE. At best, however, he can make it possible. But it will still take tons of time.
There has been a concerted effort to replace oil as a chemical feedstock with natgas (methane) for price reasons, and with biofuels for advertising reasons. I wouldn’t worry about that, it’s well underway.
The iPhone will never defeat the Nokia. Nokia owns the mobile phone market.
Yet Microsoft still reigns supreme…
I think it’s a reference to the documentary “Who killed the electric car?” about the GM EV1, in the mid 90s.
rw 5 years ago
It means no matter how much the government is paid to lie and deceive the American public in regards to climate change, we know better. Big oil and Big 3 Auto can suck it.
Acleron 5 years ago
The technology is now mature, the cost is now comparable. Tesla now have to build them. That will require investment in production. This cannot be difficult for Musk, he has a lot of expertise to call on. Competition from others will drive down the Tesla prices and add to the charging infrastructure. Good news all round except for ICE manufacturers and fossil fuel companies.
Elon Musk Quotes 5 years ago
Great insight Giles! Just want to let you know that we’re going to share this article with our 22K+ Elon Musk fans 🙂 elonmusknews.org
-Zach
Andrew Woodroffe 5 years ago
You do appreciate that Holden, Toyota and Mistubishi will all be leaving their factories empty here in Australia soon. Along with lots of unemployed workers. We could do with a touch of Elon magic down here!
totally support disruption as it pushes us forward. internet, mobile phones, wireless. technology will soon be the new norm and in a whole range of other applications. I believe cars and off grid is next. Would also love to see EV buses and industrial trucks to replace diesel engines.
It will be interesting to see what is beyond Musk’s “master plan” and to see where Tesla will eventually end up. it would have been great if the unveiling of the model 3 was powered buy Tesla power walls / power packs – as they previously canvassed at their power wall launch. But i suppose the focus is the car. in any case, Congratulations to Tesla on their latest product.
Angus 5 years ago
I love the idea of the car. But I’d hate to chip the windscreen. For this reason alone it’s hardly a car that appeals to me. I think the single piece glass roof should be an optional extra.
Chris Fraser 5 years ago
That’s a good thought. The cost of glass insurance (where the excess is much less than the general excess) should be considered. With less servicing and petrol costs you’re still ahead.
I don’t know about Australia. In the US most insurance policies have a “zero deductible for glass” option. People with Teslas would be well advised to take that option.
James Hickey 5 years ago
VWs claims on fuel efficiency weren’t ‘bogus’. They cheated on emissions testing but their engines are super efficient. Modern diesel cars are using much less fuel than petrol cars and technology now exists to ensure harmful emissions are no longer an issue. Older diesel cars also last more than twice as long as petrol cars. How long will batteries last? How many people will be run over because they never heard the car coming? Forget investment in personal transport and move towards better public transport.
Are you for real?
I have been driving an electric car for seven years now. I have never had someone in a carpark or next to a road step in front of my car because they did not hear it coming. I have never noticed that anyone even looked surprised or showed any sign of noticing that it moved quietly. The pedestrian danger thing is a furphy. Modern petrol cars are nearly silent at low speed anyway. At higher speed, wind noise and tyre noise dominates over engine noise in any car.
Damien van Hoogen van 5 years ago
In modern cars – most of the noise is “tire roar” – the sound that the tire-road interface makes. The engines are barely audible to pedestrians – unless you are gunning it.
True that VAG’s problem was not fuel mileage but emissions, at least in North America.
Nasir Hafeez 5 years ago
i am inspired by this new invention, I wish that some more thoughts to go into the overall concept of human transportation in the cities and beyond. Our future means of transportation should be more economical , environment friendly, cater for space congestion, reducing accidents and be more safer. I see a public transport system in the shape of a moving platform in whatever manner that can be boarded taking away passengers from one to another locations, even single passenger , depending on the requirement. we need to recover from the charm of owning a car with extravaganza and luxury just to move around. Lets us share our means to be more happy.+
Tony Tang 5 years ago
I would avoid Tesla models like the plague if the reliability of their current and past models is anything to go by. This is just a knee jerk buying spree by EV car enthusiast at this price point. Just wait another 12 months after initial delivery….if they can’t even get it right with the lux price S model what hope have got with a Tesla thats a quarter of that price.
What problems did you have with your 2016 Model S ?
I don’t….and i don’t intend to. From my initial research into the early years of the Tesla S….i am not impressed with their reliability issues and i don’t believe I’m alone on that. Hybrids in my opinion is my preferred platform simply because its a proven one a la Lexus hybrids. They are so reliable and not only that there’s always a backup if the batteries fail. There’s a plan B if you know what i mean. With pure EVs…there’s none.
You don’t understand what’s been going on with Tesla “reliability”.
Every single time I’ve had a problem with my 2013 Model S, it has been fixed under warranty with an *improved part*, following which the problem has not recurred.
Every single problem has been a design flaw, and they’ve *changed the design* to fix the flaw, and they’ve retrofitted the new design for older owners at no cost.
This is totally different from the “reliability” situation with other cars. You may not be comfortable with this situation, but it’s worth understanding what’s going on.
Model S has been used to work out the bugs in design. Model X has too, to some extent. They’ve promised not to do anything new with Model 3, but rather to use their proven and debugged designs.
(Yes, Model S owners were effectively beta-testers. That’s OK.)
So you actually enjoy being a guinea pig for their design flaws….good on you mate. …. they need more people like you. I have very high expectations and design flaws ain’t one of them.
We seemed to survive 100 years or more on pure ICE cars – with no plan B.
Do Teslas still get “Bricked”…?
Apparently not. I think there were only a couple of bricking events in the first year or so.
Plan B has always been my part of my risk management profile….you’ll need it if you buy a Tesla Product.
Simon Thompson 5 years ago
For those who’d like to see how far we’ve come … the World Solar Challenge held in Australia. Interesting. http://www.worldsolarchallenge.org/
Mauricio Morgado 5 years ago
Question is what will we do with the batteries when they aren’t holding a charge anymore? Just how much of the battery is recyclable and will it become an environmental issue later on? Though these are my concerns and I still think the electric car is still a better option in the long run.
Batteries are recyclable. I’m unsure of Teslas exact plan, but either way it is heavily energy intensive, and involves a lot of processing and heavy chemicals. You should google Lithium and Lithium mining to get a better understanding of the full lifecycle also.
Tesla expects most Model S drivers will reach 200,000 miles before their batteries drop to 70%. At 70% there’s still a lot of usable storage and already utilities have plans for using recovered EV batteries for grid storage. Weight and space are less critical for stationary storage than for vehicles.
And after the batteries are run down too much for utility use they can be recycled. Musk has referred to EV batteries as sources of concentrated lithium.
Mitch Pantharen 5 years ago
The oil companies LOVE electric cars.. There are more coal & oil fired electric Generators in the world, then there are gasoline refinement stations. Bunker oil sells for more than the return they get from converting crude oil to Gasoline..
Electric Vehicles are the demise of the planet.. Electricity isn’t FREE.. It comes a a HUGE cost, the emissions from a coal or oil fired electric planet is a million times worse than an automobile..
Here try watching this:
Coal-Fired Power Plants Disadvantages https://youtu.be/F9sXYf09K34
How come we don’t get good trolls any longer?
Really Bob.. You did some real research to call me a troll.. Now is this because you are under the assumption that all Electricity comes from power lines, and you are just oblivious as to where electricity really comes from.
Really, Mitch?
I am ignorant when it comes to sources of electricity?
Try doing some real research, instead of bashing me with half-assed comments..
Thanks, Koch Industries.
culterno 5 years ago
You just posted the most idiotic statement ever and claimed it was a fact. There are 10s of Millions of automobiles out there Einstein, not one… And together they are orders of magnitude more polluting and inefficient than any power plant could ever be. Plus when those coal plants are shuttered and replaced with renewable plants… Now all electric cars will instantly become even more green than they were before.
I suggest that you do some real research, instead of bashing me based upon your own lack of knowledge..
I did some real research. It was in my post. Your reading comprehension needs improvement.
I have a much high comprehension than you do.. You’re a dumb monkey ..
Try this Mitch particularly the series of investigations toward the end on vehicle emissions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjHyAl0h4t8&feature=player_embedded&list=PLxU79dQZwwJPkEaR1jM8iJQS0L9iMopog
I just Flagged you for the stupidity of this comment.
Sorry to others if they think I’m being too harsh/censorious, but rank disinformation like this needs to be nipped in the bud.
YOU truly are an idiot for flagging my post.. Majority of the power generating plants in North America are Diesel, Coal or Oil fired generators.. Tell me how over extending out electrical grids that are already at the maximum in some places is good for the planet.. Do some research instead of being a TROLL
Thanks for enlightening me, f*ckstick.
I believe the percentage of power generated by coal is falling rapidly (at least in the US–cannot find a link for worldwide power generation), principally because of natural gas from fracking. Power generation from fuel oil is practically unknown, at least on the US mainland (Hawaii and Puerto Rico have some oil-fired gensets).
Try looking at this list.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_the_United_States
Calamity_Jean 4 years ago
Some in Alaska, also. There’s a lot of power stations that can burn either oil or natural gas, but they use gas these days because it’s cheaper.
Joel Nair 5 years ago
Lol. No he didn’t. Nothing beats a 6T or 8.
josh 5 years ago
Great but what fuels the electric power plants of the world? Not necessarily environmentally friendly materials. Most power stations in the world burn fossil fuels such as coal, oil, and natural gas to generate electricity.
Most?
http://data.generationdata.info/LiveGen
A lot of nuclear (has issues, but is not polluting) and hydro there. Many EV early adopters are have solar PV system on their rooves, or at least buy green energy. The power grid is cleaner than oil and is getting cleaner all the time.
Ivan Coetzee 5 years ago
Anyone remember a company named KODAK? 10 years ago still one of the largest, today all but gone. The auto makers of today need to understand their world is dead, just a matter of time, arguably the fastest bike today is electric. Gonna miss the sound of a V8 though
The aftermarket will probably furnish you with an app you can use to playback the sound over your EV stereo system. The roar of a big bore V8 as you accelerate (leaving the very expensive V8s in your dust), the constant rumble as you cruise, and the desperate sucking sound as your regenerative braking system slows you down.
David Kennett 5 years ago
Harry Ferguson and Henry Ford made affordable tractors available for farmers – it was a revolution. Vast quantities of diesel fuel are consumed in food production while the weight of batteries would be an asset in tractors, to increase traction, as is low speed torque. Farms generally have large areas of roof space for PV panels and many are off grid. Of course massive storage batteries would be required so the tractors could be recharged over night. But there are often many machines on farms, while few are in use at the same time – so the batteries of those not being used could temporarily store electricity and then transfer it to those in use. Will it be Tesla who reinvents the tractor? For too long the British motor industry built what they wanted to produce, and lost out to the Japanese manufactures decided to build what the customers wanted. I am sure many farmers would love to have electric tractors.
Slobodan 5 years ago
Umm. How detached of reality are you? Tesla didn’t kill anything (yet). Let’s return to this subject when Tesla has an infrastructure to sell their product everywhere around the wold and not just US and couple other countries. Not to mention that Tesla still doesn’t make any profit whatsoever.
Those of us who follow technology realize that Tesla has advanced EVs to the point at which it is clear that the internal combustion engine is not going to play a meaningful role in future personal transportation. Some call that a “kill”.
Tesla does not have to sell their product everywhere. Tesla may never become one of the top ten car manufacturers. What Tesla is doing is to force other car manufacturers to switch from ICEVs to EVs much, much faster than it would had Tesla not gotten into the game. Tesla was founded as a way to change vehicle manufacturing and move transportation from oil to electricity, not to become a large company and make its owners rich.
BTW, Tesla is a very profitable car manufacturer. The profit that Tesla makes manufacturing cars, their gross profit margin (GPM) is one of the highest in the car industry. As far as I can tell only Porsche has a higher GPM than Tesla.
Tesla, the company, does not show a profit at the bottom line because they are a rapidly growing company and spending a lot of money growing into a much larger company. The “loss” you see in their financial statements is not a loss but an investment in future profits.
Believe it or not, I agree on almost every aspect on your post. I just wanted to nitpick on the clickbait smelling topic of the article.
David Bakker 5 years ago
Small correction: It’s not ‘the Netherlands’ (read the Dutch government) that has said it will ban sales of new petrol cars from 2025 – it’s just the PvdA, one of the political parties. It’s true that they are in the coalition that forms the government at the moment, but that doesn’t make it official policy. And things are look very bad for the PvdA for the elections next year, which may explain this rather daring proposal. But then again, if predictions on this site are right, it may not even be necessary :-).
Glenn 5 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17xh_VRrnMU
Watched the whole anti-EV video. Bjorn Lomborg’s case hangs on the assumption that we will fail to clean up the grid, and, backs that up with forecasts from the EIA. The IEA has been similarly pessimistic.
Here’s an article from the Sydney Morning Herald, which has a reputation for balanced news (i.e. Is not controlled by Rupert Murdoch).
It details why the IEA has been forced to revise upwards its estimates for wind and solar 14 times since 2000. It seems they just can’t get their head around the concept of exponential growth. Both wind and solar keep doubling – solar has doubled 7 times in 15 years. Wind has doubled four times.
Titled: “Wind and solar are crushing fossil fuels”. Please read and learn Glenn.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/energy/wind-and-solar-are-crushing-fossil-fuels-20160407-go0ura.html
Desterii DelQuonomonna 5 years ago
They killed him because he knew too much. http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/213900-elon-musk-lets-nuke-mars-to-make-it-habitable
Yurroon 5 years ago
It may seem a small detail, but if Saudi Arabia (or anyone) really wants a world beyond oil, it shouldn’t be selling off their petrol assets, it should be closing them down…
It is amazing to think that at the birth of the car industry, there were THREE choices, steam, electricity or gas. Gas was just the easiest to exploit. And now Elon is the one willing to do the hard work that electricity has always needed someone to do to make it viable, now that all the other options have been used up. He certainly deserves credit for that! XD
RobSa 5 years ago
Australia should ban the sale of new petrol cars by 2025 as well. I’ve never owned one. They aren’t good enough for me.
read all this all i got to say ,is how many of you remember the bike lights that ran off of the tires a small generator that turned with the wheel musk is working on 4 wheel generation the more the wheels turn the more you generate. exxon trolls please shut the fuck up! the man’s got it going ,,,divest all oil stock welcome to the 21st century …no more oil wars … feel the bern
Greg Shiff 5 years ago
Elon = time traveller?….. or time travelling Alien? comment
No, Elon’s in the country legally.
Well, I haven’t actually seen his papers….
Not that kind of Alien
(Engage humor module)
Janice 5 years ago
yes, this is excellent … AND he was sued for labor violations and uses prison labor
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/elon-musk-turned-prison-labor-cost-savings-pj-wilcox-author
http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/13/news/companies/spacex-lawsuits/index.html
Faggot Lips 4 years ago
Elon Musk is an overhyped faggot and I wish he would go away and stop wasting other people’s money on bullshit that won’t work!!!
YeahRightPal 4 years ago
Tesla Motors is a dead man walking unless Musk is removed as CEO. Even then, it’s a weak man on life support.
Where are the results? A lot of BS tweets from the sky to boost stock prices and no delivery. Gigafactory? Don’t make me laugh. That boondoggle will never be completed as originally presented, although it was great for screwing Nevadans out of a billion or so in tax incentives.
Their debt options are nonexistent – they can’t borrow any more money. Be ready for another stock offering and the subsequent share dilution. They want to absorb a company (SolarCity) with the same penchant for burning cash. It’s a disaster that WILL happen.
Oh, and in other news, The Woz has been treated to a pre-production Bolt to test drive. Guess what? He’s thinking of switching cars.
The Tesla electric car is an expensive toy and more experienced car manufacturers figured this out a long time ago and either made hybrids or discontinued their electric car models indefinitely! I’m not against electric cars but currently as it stands the technology and charging infrastructure is just not up to the task like it is with petroleum powered vehicles, maybe one day it will be but right now imagine what sort of petroleum powered car you could buy for less than the price of the Tesla and how much fuel money you would have left over!!!
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During the White House press briefing on Wednesday, many questions were hurled at press secretary Robert Gibbs about the abortion executive order that President Barack Obama would be signing that afternoon. Most of these queries concerned the politics surrounding the order, which Obama had offered Democratic Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), an anti-abortion advocate, as an incentive to support the health care reform legislation. The order doesn’t change existing law, as Gibbs and other White House aides have repeatedly noted. But it did mark an instance when Obama would have to put his signature on an order restating the Hyde Amendment restrictions on the federal funding of abortion that he had previously opposed. With that in mind, I posed a question. Here’s the exchange:
CORN: Thanks. In 2007, during the campaign, the President said that he does not support the Hyde Amendment and the federal government should not intrude onto a poor woman’s decision whether to carry to term or terminate her pregnancy. So my question today is, as he signs this executive order, which will further enshrine the Hyde Amendment, how does he feel about that?
GIBBS: David, I would have to see what — I don’t know the comment that you’re referring to.
CORN: He was opposed to the Hyde Amendment.
MR. GIBBS: Yes, I’d have to —
ANOTHER REPORTER: It was in a questionnaire, a pro-choice questionnaire.
CORN: It was in a questionnaire —
GIBBS: And I’ll have somebody — I haven’t — you can just assume I haven’t looked at a questionnaire in quite some time.
CORN: But you stipulate that he opposed the Hyde Amendment, correct?
GIBBS: I would stipulate that the President believes in a woman’s right to choose.
That was it. Gibbs wouldn’t even acknowledge that Obama had once opposed the Hyde Amendment. It seemed a sensitive issue.
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Who Will Take the Hit for the Drilling Moratorium?
The six-month moratorium that the Obama administration has imposed on deepwater drilling may complicate its effort to compensate Gulf residents affected by the oil spill. Kenneth Feinberg, whom President Obama has appointed to administer the $20 billion claims fund BP has agreed to establish, has said that this fund will not distribute claims to people affected by the moratorium. The White House, on the other hand, has said that it will.
Confusion abounds in the Gulf as everyone from small businesses to big oil companies attempt to sort out the economic damages of a catastrophic spill with no end in sight. A New Orleans judge blocked the drilling moratorium last week, a decision the Obama administration is appealing to the Fifth Circuit. Drilling projects remain stalled, however, and more and more claims are piling up. A Louisiana State University economist told Bloomberg that if rigs are idle for a full six months, the payroll loss alone could hit $450 million.
BP has set aside a separate claims fund of $100 million for workers affected by the moratorium. As opposed to the $20 billion spill fund, which was the result of an explicit agreement with the White House that obligates BP to replenish the fund if necessary, BP has described the moratorium fund as a “goodwill gesture.” This framing is clearly designed to imply that, although the Deepwater Horizon spill was the impetus for imposing the drilling moratorium, BP is not liable for damages resulting from it. It is unlikely that BP would contribute more to the moratorium fund when the money inevitably runs out.
Unemployed rig workers who file claims with BP’s then-empty fund might consider suing the government for imposing the moratorium, or suing BP for causing the disaster that led to the moratorium. Oil companies, however, are hoping that the moratorium gets knocked down on appeal, since they’d have little grounds to sue the government for lost revenue while their rigs stand idle.
Hope Babcock, a professor at Georgetown Law, explains that since BP does not own its drilling sites in the Gulf and relies on the government to grant licenses to these sites, it could not likely sue for compensation under eminent domain:
The courts, including the Supremes, have been very clear about this. So BP should have zip chance of recovering its economic value in those drilling authorizations. They’re going to sue under the takings clause —hey, you took our permits to explore. And the courts will say no, it’s not an ownership license you have. And that would apply to everyone else out there—all the companies that are out there with authorizations to drill should not be able to succeed on a takings challenge.
That said, we’ve never seen a spill of this magnitude before. Enormous amounts of individual income and corporate revenue will be lost and innumerable lawsuits will be filed. The $20 billion claims fund and the $100 million moratorium fund may initially hold off the flood, but these payment structures are themselves novel ideas.
“What’s interesting about both of these funds is they’re not legally obligated funds,” said Jennifer Owen, an attorney with Van Ness Feldman in Washington, DC. “BP has somewhat voluntarily, somewhat under political pressure, set them up.” Legally, the funds add a new element to the mix. Who’s liable, and for what, and for how much, will soon become the center of debate.
“I think there will be a lot of very novel questions before the court in terms of liability and damages,” Owen said. “We are very much at the start of this.”
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Megaport grows partnership with Cloudflare to provide greater network connectivity
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Megaport has committed to providing customers with secure, on-demand connectivity to Cloudflare. More specifically, the Network as a Service (NaaS) provider has announced direct access to Cloudflare's global network for its customers on Megaport's global Software Defined Network (SDN).
As a Cloudflare Network Interconnect (CNI) launch partner, Megaport's connectivity services enable greater flexibility for customers to on-ramp onto Cloudflare's global network.
Customers can establish a direct connection between their network and Cloudflare's edge network using Megaport's Virtual Cross Connects (VXC).
Customers can also extend the security, performance, and reliability benefits of Cloudflare to their internet properties whether they are deployed on-premises, in the public cloud, or in a shared data centre, Megaport states.
The combined presence of Cloudflare's global network, which spans more than 200 cities in 100+ countries including 17 in mainland China, and Megaport, with more than 700 enabled data centres globally, makes it easier to protect networks from even more locations, the company states.
The partnership of Megaport and Cloudflare means customers can directly connect to Cloudflare's network even if they are not in the same data centre.
Phase one will provide direct access to Cloudflare's network. This includes acceleration and security services such as Cloudflare Magic Transit, DDoS protection, and security solutions.
Access will be available on three continents from 14 initial metro markets, with more locations planned for the future.
Cloudflare chief technology officer John Graham-Cumming says, "At Cloudflare, we are constantly looking for ways to improve the security, performance, and reliability of our customers' networks and teams.
"By partnering with Megaport, we are providing an additional path for our customers to access our services in the location of their choice using the method they prefer.
“Secure, private, reliable, and efficient software-defined network connectivity between Cloudflare's edge and our customers is another way we are helping to build a better internet."
Megaport vice president of cloud services Matt Simpson says, "Cloudflare and Megaport are driven to offer greater flexibility to our customers.
"In addition to accessing Cloudflare's network on Megaport's global internet exchange service, customers can now provision on-demand, secure connections through our Software Defined Network directly to Cloudflare Network Interconnect on-ramps globally.
“With over 700 enabled data centres in 23 countries, Megaport extends the reach of CNI on-ramps to the locations where enterprises house their critical IT infrastructure. Because Cloudflare's network is interconnected with our SDN, customers can point, click, and connect in real time.
"We're delighted to grow our partnership with Cloudflare and bring CNI to our services ecosystem allowing customers to build multi-service, securely-connected IT architectures in a matter of minutes."
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SAML Profile for the Metadata Query Protocol
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This document profiles the Metadata Query Protocol for use with SAML
metadata.
This document is a product of the Research and Education Federations
(REFEDS) Working Group process.
Editorial Note (To be removed by RFC Editor before publication)
Discussion of this draft takes place on the MDX mailing list
(mdx@lists.iay.org.uk), which is accessed from [MDX.list].
XML versions, latest edits and the issues list for this document are
available from [md-query].
The changes in this draft are summarized in Appendix A.15.
Drafts is at https://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/current/.
This Internet-Draft will expire on July 16, 2021.
Young Expires July 16, 2021 [Page 1]
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1. Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3
1.1. Notation and Conventions . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3
2. Request Profile . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3
2.1. Content Type . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3
2.2. Identifiers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
2.2.1. Unique Identifier . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
2.2.2. Transformed Identifier . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
2.2.3. Additional Identifiers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5
3. Response Profile . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5
3.1. Response Cardinality . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5
3.1.1. No Entity Descriptors Returned . . . . . . . . . . . 5
3.1.2. One Entity Descriptor Returned . . . . . . . . . . . 5
3.1.3. More Than One Entity Descriptor Returned . . . . . . 5
4. Security Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6
4.1. Integrity . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6
4.2. Use of SHA-1 in Transformed Identifiers . . . . . . . . . 6
5. IANA Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7
6. Acknowledgements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7
7. References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7
7.1. Normative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7
7.2. Informative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8
Appendix A. Change Log (to be removed by RFC Editor before
publication) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10
A.1. draft-young-md-query-saml-00 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10
A.2. Since draft-young-md-query-saml-00 . . . . . . . . . . . 10
A.10. Since draft-young-md-query-saml-08 . . . . . . . . . . . 11
Author's Address . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12
This document profiles the Metadata Query Protocol
[I-D.young-md-query] for use with SAML metadata [SAML2Meta].
The Research and Education Federations group ([REFEDS]) is the voice
that articulates the mutual needs of research and education identity
federations worldwide. It aims to represent the requirements of
research and education in the ever-growing space of access and
identity management.
From time to time REFEDS will wish to publish a document in the
Internet RFC series. Such documents will be published as part of the
RFC Independent Submission Stream [RFC4844]; however the REFEDS
working group sign-off process will have been followed for these
documents, as described in the REFEDS Participant's Agreement
[REFEDS.agreement].
This document is a product of the REFEDS Working Group process.
1.1. Notation and Conventions
"SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and
"OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in
BCP 14 [RFC2119] [RFC8174] when, and only when, they appear in all
capitals, as shown here.
This document makes use of the Augmented BNF metalanguage defined in
[STD68].
2. Request Profile
2.1. Content Type
Requests compliant with this profile MUST include the following HTTP
header to indicate that the metadata returned should be SAML metadata
(see Appendix A of [SAML2Meta]):
Accept: application/samlmetadata+xml
2.2. Identifiers
2.2.1. Unique Identifier
Each entity known to the responder MUST be associated with the unique
identifier of the entity, corresponding to the "entityID" attribute
of the entity's "EntityDescriptor" element in SAML metadata.
2.2.2. Transformed Identifier
SAML 2.0 [SAML2Core] includes profiles based on the transfer of an
"artifact" containing the unique identifier of a SAML entity
transformed by means of the SHA-1 [RFC3174] hash algorithm (see
[SAML2Bind] sections 3.6 and 3.6.4).
In order to support use cases in which clients may be in possession
of only such a transformed representation of a SAML entity's unique
identifier without any way to establish the original entity
identifier, a responder compliant with this profile MUST associate
each entity with an identifier matching the "sha1id" production in
the following ABNF grammar, and treat such an identifier as
equivalent to the corresponding untransformed identifier:
SHA1 = %x73 %x68 %x61 %x31 ; lower case "sha1"
DIGIT = %x30-39
HEXDIGIT = DIGIT | %x61-66 ; lower case a-f
sha1id = "{" SHA1 "}" sha1hex
sha1hex = 40*HEXDIGIT
In the above, the "sha1hex" component encodes the 20-octet (160-bit)
binary SHA-1 hash value as a sequence of 40 lower case hexadecimal
digits.
For example, the identifier
http://example.org/service
transformed by means of SHA-1 hashing would become
{sha1}11d72e8cf351eb6c75c721e838f469677ab41bdb
Responder implementations MAY detect malformed SHA-1 transformed
identifiers (for example where the string of characters following the
"}" contains characters other than hexadecimal digits, or is other
than exactly 40 characters in length) and return an HTTP status code
of 400 ("bad request"). Alternatively, implementations MAY process
these as normal identifiers and return an HTTP status code of 404
("not found") if appropriate.
2.2.3. Additional Identifiers
Entities MAY also be associated with any number of additional
responder-defined identifiers naming arbitrary groups of entities.
3. Response Profile
3.1. Response Cardinality
A request may return information for any number of entities,
including none. Responses compliant with this profile MUST use the
appropriate representation described below depending on the number of
"EntityDescriptor" elements returned.
3.1.1. No Entity Descriptors Returned
A response which returns no "EntityDescriptor" elements MUST be
represented by an HTTP status code of 404 ("not found").
3.1.2. One Entity Descriptor Returned
A response which returns a single "EntityDescriptor" element MUST use
that element as its document element. The responder MUST NOT make
use of a "EntitiesDescriptor" element in this situation (see
[SAML2Meta] section 2.3).
Such a response MUST include the following HTTP header to indicate
that the metadata returned is SAML metadata:
Content-Type: application/samlmetadata+xml
3.1.3. More Than One Entity Descriptor Returned
A response which returns more than one "EntityDescriptor" element
MUST consist of a document element which is an "EntitiesDescriptor"
element, containing the returned "EntityDescriptor" elements as
children. Responses MUST NOT contain nested "EntitiesDescriptor"
elements.
4.1. Integrity
As SAML metadata contains information necessary for the secure
operation of interacting services it is strongly RECOMMENDED that a
mechanism for integrity checking is provided to clients.
It is RECOMMENDED that the integrity checking mechanism provided by a
responder is a digital signature embedded in the returned metadata
document, as defined by [SAML2Meta] section 3.
Such digital signatures:
o SHOULD use an RSA keypair whose modulus is no less than 2048 bits
in length.
o MUST NOT use the SHA-1 cryptographic hash algorithm as a digest
algorithm.
o MUST NOT use the MD5 cryptographic hash algorithm as a digest
o SHOULD otherwise follow current cryptographic best practices in
algorithm selection.
4.2. Use of SHA-1 in Transformed Identifiers
This profile mandates the availability of an identifier synonym
mechanism based on the SHA-1 cryptographic hash algorithm. Although
SHA-1 is now regarded as weak enough to exclude it from use in new
cryptographic systems, its use in this profile is necessary for full
support of the SAML 2.0 standard.
The use of SHA-1 in section 3.6.4 of [SAML2Bind], and its resulting
use in this protocol, would be vulnerable to an attack in which
metadata was introduced into a system by an attacker capable of
creating an entity identifier with the same SHA-1 hash as that of an
existing entity's identifier.
Such an identifier is known as a _second preimage_ of the original,
and SHA-1's resistance to discovery of it is referred to as SHA-1's
_second-preimage resistance_.
As demonstrated by the the [SHAttered] and [Shambles] attacks, the
SHA-1 algorithm is known to have weak collision resistance. However,
at the time of writing no attacks are known on SHA-1's second-
preimage resistance; a result in this area would be required to
provide the basis of an attack based on duplicating the SHA-1 hash of
an existing identifier. As a result, the use of SHA-1 in SAML and in
this protocol is not believed to introduce a security concern.
Implementations may guard against the possibility of a future
practical attack on the second-preimage resistance of SHA-1 by
treating two entities whose "entityID" values have the same SHA-1
equivalent as an indicator of malicious intent on the part of the
owner of one of the entities.
This document has no actions for IANA.
6. Acknowledgements
The editor would like to acknowledge the following individuals for
their contributions to this document:
Scott Cantor (The Ohio State University)
Leif Johansson (SUNET)
Joe St Sauver (University of Oregon)
Tom Scavo (Internet2)
[I-D.young-md-query]
Young, I., Ed., "Metadata Query Protocol", draft-young-md-
query-13 (work in progress), January 2021.
Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC 2119,
DOI 10.17487/RFC2119, March 1997,
<https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc2119>.
[RFC3174] Eastlake 3rd, D. and P. Jones, "US Secure Hash Algorithm 1
(SHA1)", RFC 3174, DOI 10.17487/RFC3174, September 2001,
[RFC8174] Leiba, B., "Ambiguity of Uppercase vs Lowercase in RFC
2119 Key Words", BCP 14, RFC 8174, DOI 10.17487/RFC8174,
May 2017, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8174>.
[SAML2Bind]
Cantor, S., Hirsch, F., Kemp, J., Philpott, R., and E.
Maler, "Bindings for the Security Assertion Markup
Language (SAML) V2.0", OASIS Standard saml-bindings-
2.0-os, March 2005.
[SAML2Meta]
Cantor, S., Moreh, J., Philpott, R., and E. Maler,
"Metadata for the Security Assertion Markup Language
(SAML) V2.0", OASIS Standard saml-metadata-2.0-os, March
[STD68] Crocker, D., Ed. and P. Overell, "Augmented BNF for Syntax
Specifications: ABNF", STD 68, RFC 5234,
DOI 10.17487/RFC5234, January 2008,
[md-query]
Young, I., Ed., "md-query Project",
<https://github.com/iay/md-query>.
[MDX.list]
Young, I., Ed., "MDX Mailing List",
<http://lists.iay.org.uk/listinfo.cgi/mdx-iay.org.uk>.
[REFEDS] Research and Education Federations, "REFEDS Home Page",
<http://www.refeds.org/>.
[REFEDS.agreement]
Research and Education Federations, "REFEDS Participant's
Agreement",
<https://refeds.org/about/about_agreement.html>.
[RFC4844] Daigle, L., Ed. and Internet Architecture Board, "The RFC
Series and RFC Editor", RFC 4844, DOI 10.17487/RFC4844,
July 2007, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc4844>.
[SAML2Core]
Cantor, S., Kemp, J., Philpott, R., and E. Maler,
"Assertions and Protocol for the OASIS Security Assertion
Markup Language (SAML) V2.0", OASIS Standard saml-core-
2.0-os, March 2005, <http://docs.oasis-
open.org/security/saml/v2.0/saml-core-2.0-os.pdf>.
[Shambles]
"SHA-1 is a Shambles", January 2020,
<https://sha-mbles.github.io>.
[SHAttered]
"SHAttered", February 2017, <https://shattered.io>.
Appendix A. Change Log (to be removed by RFC Editor before publication)
A.1. draft-young-md-query-saml-00
A.2. Since draft-young-md-query-saml-00
Added REFEDS RFC stream boilerplate.
Bump reference to the Metadata Query Protocol [I-D.young-md-query].
Rework Section 2.2 to make the role of transformed identifiers
clearer. This changes the semantics slightly (malformed transformed
identifiers may now result in a 404 return rather than 400) but this
gives implementers more latitude in the way that they handle the
feature.
Added an Editorial Note to help direct readers back to the
discussion.
Fix reference to the Metadata Query Protocol [I-D.young-md-query].
Young Expires July 16, 2021 [Page 10]
A.10. Since draft-young-md-query-saml-08
Modernise normative language to include [RFC8174].
Improved references to RFCs.
Replace citations in the abstract with straight textual mentions, as
required by the ID-NITS checklist.
Strengthen Section 4.1 so that SHA-1 now MUST NOT be used in the
context of digital signatures. This brings the section in line with
current best practice recommendations, particularly in light of the
[SHAttered] and [Shambles] attacks.
Revised Section 4.2 on the use of SHA-1 in transformed identifiers
o Make clear that this is a SAML-level issue, not one introduced by
the query protocol.
o Reference the attacks demonstrating SHA-1's weak collision
resistance.
o Identify second-preimage resistance as the potential source of the
attack we'd be concerned about for the query protocol.
o Note that SHA-1's second-preimage resistance is at present
uncompromised.
Ian A. Young (editor)
EMail: ian@iay.org.uk
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Maslanka Weekly: Best of the Web – No. 91, David’s Symphonies Around the World
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Maslanka Weekly: Best of the Web – No. 90, New Performances of “The Soul Is Here for its Own Joy”
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Maslanka Weekly: Best of the Web – No. 89, University of Texas Wind Ensemble & Symphony No. 10
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“But I’m not a lawyer. I’m an agent.”
Just over a quarter century ago, when I was a young scribbler traipsing around the metro desk of the Baltimore Sun, I had an early opportunity to learn a lesson about money, about ethics, about capitalism and, in particular, about the American entertainment industry. And Dorothy Simon, she raised no fools. I only needed to learn it once.
I learned about something called “packaging.”
And now, finally, my apostasy from newspapering having delivered me from Baltimore realities to film-set make-believe, I am suprised and delighted that many of the fellow scribblers with whom I share a labor union have at last acquired the same hard, ugly lesson:
Packaging is a lie. It is theft. It is fraud. In the hands of the right U.S. Attorney, it might even be prima facie evidence of decades of racketeering. It’s that fucking ugly.
For those of you not in the film and television world, there is no shame in tuning out right now because at its core, the argument over packaging now ongoing between film and television writers and their agents is effectively an argument over an embarrassment of riches. The American entertainment industry is seemingly recession-proof and television writing, specifically, is such a growth industry nowadays that even good and great novelists must be ordered back to their prose manuscripts by book editors for whom the term “showrunner” has become an affront. A lot of people are making good money writing television drama. And so, this fresh argument is about who is making more of that money, and above all, where the greatest benefits accrue. If you have no skin in the game, I think it reasonable, even prudent, to deliver a no-fucks-to-give exhale and proceed elsewhere.
If, on the other hand, you are my brother or sister in the Writers Guild of America — East or West, it matters not when we stand in solitarity — or conversely, if you are a grasping, fuckfailing greedhead with the Association of Talent Agents, then you might wanna hang around for this:
Here is the story of how as a novice to this industry, I was grifted by my agents and how I learned everything I ever needed to know about packaging. And here is why I am a solid yes-vote on anything my union puts before me that attacks the incredible ethical affront of this paradigm. Packaging is a racket. It’s corrupt. It is without any basis in either integrity or honor. This little narrative will make that clear. And because I still have a reportorial soul and a journalistic God resides in the details, I will name a name wherever I can.
To begin, I wrote a book. It was a non-fiction account of a year I spent with a shift of homicide detectives in Baltimore, a city ripe with violence and miscalculation. Published in 1991, “Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets” was repped by my literary agent at the time, an independent attorney who I found because his other clients included some other ink-stained newspaper reporters. Late in 1987, the Baltimore Police Department agreed to let me into its homicide unit for a year beginning that January, so I needed to quickly acquire an agent to sell the project to a publishing house and secure an advance on which to live while I took a leave-of-absence from my newspaper. This agent — and damn, I wish I could name the goniff, but I later signed a cash settlement that said I wouldn’t — was the first name that came to me. I did not shop around; I was in a hurry. My bad.
Three years later, with the book ready to publish, this shyster suggested to me that he was entirely capable of going to Hollywood with it for a sale of the dramatic rights. And knowing less than a bag of taters about Hollywood, I was ready to agree until my book editor, the worthy John Sterling, then helming the Houghton Mifflin publishing house, told me in no uncertain terms that this was a mistake.
It was customary, John explained, for even the best literary agents to pair with a colleague at one of the bigger entertainment agencies and split the commission. My literary agent would give up half of his 15 percent to the other agency, but he would gain the expertise of an organization with the connections to move the property around and find the right eyeballs in the film and television industry. So I called my agent back and insisted.
With some initial reluctance, he eventually chose to go with Creative Artists Agency — one of the Big Four, as they call the largest entertainment entities repping talent, and an agent in CAA’s literary division by the name of Matt Snyder. After making the deal with CAA, my literary agent called me back and said it was customary for me to give up a larger percentage commission as I now had two agents working on my behalf. How much more? He suggested that he should keep his 15 percent and I should pay CAA an additional 10 percent. So a quarter of the profits from the sale of book would now be siphoned to agency commissions.
I called back John Sterling and asked: Is this right?
John nearly dropped the phone. No, that is not how it works. Again, he explained that my literary agent was supposed to split the existing 15 percent commission on the book with CAA. The literary agent was supposed to keep 7.5 percent and give the other half to CAA, which in no way was entitled to any cash above and beyond that split.
I called my agent back. No, you split the existing 15 points, I told him. He threw a few chunks of pouty guilt at me, but I shrugged him off. This first attempt at a grift should have warned me, but hey, I was young.
Advance the story a couple months later:
CAA has sent the book to about a dozen A-list film directors, where it lays in their offices like a stale bagel, unloved and unsold. No one can figure out how to transform a year in the professional lives of a half dozen Baltimore death investigators into a feature film. Matt Snyder is bereft of a next idea. He does have one small-option offer from a small indy company. I get on the phone with a producer there and ask for his credits and it’s pretty clear, even to me, that it’s short money for a project that probably goes nowhere.
I call Snyder back.
Hey, I wonder aloud, how about Barry Levinson? He’s from Baltimore. He makes movies. Maybe he’ll like it. Did I mention he’s from Baltimore? Have you seen Diner? Tin Men? I sure do love me some Diner.
This is the sum of my contribution to the initial sale of Homicide to Levinson and NBC, but let’s at least note that it’s the only salient action that would matter, because when CAA sent the book to Levinson, it turned out he was in negotiations with NBC to deliver a television series. Gail Mutrux in his office read the book and put it in front of her boss; Homicide: Life on the Street was born.
So, great.
Then the contract comes back from Baltimore Pictures and while it’s all found money for a police reporter and rewrite man who’s working for union scale at The Sun, I check with some other authors who have sold stuff to Hollywood and they all acknowledge it’s on the low-end of where such offers usually reside. Fine for the option money, a little light on the contingent pilot, pick-up and episodic payments and, of course, farce on the definition of net profits. So I call Matt Snyder back and say so: This seems a little light and it’s a first offer. Let’s go back to Levinson with a counter.
And Matt Snyder of CAA acts as if his client, me, has just thrown a dead, rancid dog on the table. This is my first book sale to Hollywood and Barry Levinson is an A-lister; I should be grateful for this offer and worried that if I nickel-and-dime, Levinson may develop something else for his first television series. Reluctantly, as if he is being asked to traverse a vale of danger and uncertainty, Snyder eventually agrees to go back and see if he can’t get, maybe, a bump in the per-episode royalty, maybe $250 an hour. He’ll fight for me. He’ll see what gives. And sure enough, the per-episode fee goes up by 10 percent after Snyder, relentless carnivore that he is, returns to his client with pride and some pocket change.
And now, here’s where the real fun starts:
We push forward a decade to 2002 when I have sold my own dramatic television series to HBO. The Wire pilot turned out well enough that the project is set to get a first-season order from HBO and my television agent, Jeff Jacobs of CAA, suggests to me that this thing might really have legs.
“We want to package you,” he offers.
“Package me?”
“Yeah, we’ll take a package on this project and you get your ten-percent commission back. Like with Homicide?
Hanh? “Jake, what the fuck are you talking about.”
“Homicide was packaged and we’ll do the same thing with The Wire.”
“Jake, slow down, what the hell does ‘packaged’ mean?”
And for the first time, Jacobs explains it to me: In order that my agents — the folks who held an absolute fiduciary responsibility to negotiate in good faith on my behalf and on behalf of my book — could be players in the creation of the TV project from that book, in order that they could own a chunk of the project itself and profit by millions of dollars from the work I had asked them to sell, they were willing to return my 7.5 percent commission and the commissions of any other talent they represented, packaging all of us together in a happy bundle for the network. Yes, incredibly, to avoid the most overt and untenable conflict-of-interest, they were willing to heroically give back to me a few thousand dollars in exchange for millions of dollars in points on a piece of NBC’s Homicide: Life on the Street which ran for seven years.
“Jake, no one told me. No one said anything to me. Ever.”
There was a quiet on the phone. Until I asked a second question: “What other talent did you package with me?”
“Barry Levinson.”
At which point, there was no more quiet.
“Jake, do you mean to say that you represented me, a pissant police reporter from Baltimore in a head-on negotiation with one of Hollywood’s A-list directors and you also represented the director? You represented both sides in the sale of my book and when the low-ball offer came to me, Matt fucking Snyder acted like it was the only offer I might ever get? Is that what you motherfuckers did?”
“I thought you knew.”
“I did not know.”
“Didn’t Matt inform you?”
He did not. Not in any of our conversations.
“Did your book agent tell you?”
He did not.
Then I asked another question: “Jake, do you have any written consent from me on file in which I authorize you to rep both sides of the sale of my book? I will answer that for you: You do not. I never authorized this. Not to CAA. Not to my book agent. I never gave informed consent. I couldn’t. Because I was never informed.”
Had CAA, in fact, returned the 7.5 percent of my commission?
They had — to my book agent, who pocketed it. Quietly. I immediately wrote a letter to that grasping bastard: Dear thief, you will remit all of that 7.5 percent to me by week’s end or I will write up what happened here and have it posted on every Newspaper Guild bulletin board in every newsroom on the Mid-Atlantic seaboard and you will be known for what you are. Further, I might also contact a U.S. Attorney about a failure of fiduciary responsibility so fundamental that it effectively constitutes the sharing of a bribe in exchange for an agreement to reduce the sale price of my book. Suffice to say, a check to me for the full 7.5 percent arrived within days.
Then I turned to CAA, a Big Four agency that was once fully content to screw me over when I was a stumblefuck newspaper reporter who to their thinking could only provide them with a book or two for sale. Years later, I was now a client about to become a showrunner on a premiere cable network. I had a little more leverage.
“Jake, I’m firing you and I’m taking The Wire and everything else with me.”
“Look,” he pleaded, “I know you’re mad. I don’t blame you. But personally, I didn’t do any of this. I’ve been straight up with you. I wasn’t your agent then. I wasn’t involved in packaging your book.”
No, I explained, but your agency was. And the profits from that are fungible. You’ve been good, Jake. You’ve been fair. But on a lie of omission, CAA — your agency — made millions and millions of dollars and did so by undercutting my negotiation with Levinson and failing to inform me of an absolute conflict of interest. I gotta go.
“What can we do to make this right?”
I thought about that because unlike the fucksquib in CAA’s literary department who should die of venereal boils, I actually liked my TV agent. He had, in fact, been forthright and fair in all of my subsequent years in television. So I explained that the agency had made millions off the conflict of interest and that for a reasonable “taste of their taste” of Homicide, whatever that was, I would remain as his client.
He ran that back up the ladder and came back a few days later: “We can’t do that. If we agree to give you a percentage of our packaging fees, it would set a bad precedent for all of our other packages.”
“Motherfucker, you’re talking about bad precedents? CAA repped both sides of a negotiation without informing me so that your taste of the profits would dwarf mine, your client. How much money did CAA actually make on Homicide?”
Jake wasn’t allowed to say. Transparency was not an option. Instead, he suggested another path:
“What about a one-time lump sum payment that isn’t officially tied to our package?”
Eventually, frustrated but willing to compromise to keep Jake as my agent, I agreed to allow CAA to write a check for the same “penalty” that I had exacted from my literary agent. Another 7.5 percent of my original commission came back and yes, Jeff Jacobs has remained my agent to this moment. Oh, I also asked Jake to make his CAA colleague get on the phone. I had some things to say.
I said them, and incredibly, the fiduciary pratfall and ethical void known as Matt Snyder stayed on the other end of that call insisting — after admitting he had no record whatsoever of me being informed of the conflict-of-interest between myself and the buyer of my book, or any claimed recollection of having informed me of such in all of our conversations — that he had done nothing improper, that my literary agent should have explained it all to me.
“Matt — absent any evidence of informed consent by me — that you and CAA proceeded to negotiate with Barry Levinson, whom you also represented, is a prima facie conflict-of-interest and a breach of fiduciary duty. If you were a realtor secretly representing both sides of a house sale, your license would be torn up. If you were a lawyer, you’d be disbarred.”
There was only a small pause before he explained himself:
Yes you are. Yes you fucking are.
So much of television and film is packaged by the Big Four agencies — CAA, ICM, WME and UTA — that it is now said to be the lion’s share of their income, so much in fact that they are running to Wall Street for equity investment in their producerial role. Fuck repping actors or directors or writers to earn a living. What rube would settle for 10 percent of anything when you can play for 100 percent of your larger stake in a film or a movie?
But of course, the astounding conflict-of-interest that underlies the corruption of packaging doesn’t simply end with the fact that agents no longer have any incentive to properly service the smaller and less advantaged client when they are repping both sides of a negotiation. Never mind the relentless obscenity of telling a seller that you can also rep the buyer and claim to still fight for top dollar.
The greater offense is that packaging has now artificially reduced the salaries of all screenwriters over decades, so much so that entry-level salaries for staffwriters and story editors in television, for example, are exactly where they were a decade ago save for the cost-of-living increases that the writer’s union achieved on its own. For junior producers, it’s even worse: The salaries for co-executive producers are about 16 percent less than where they were two contracts ago.
The agencies themselves like to claim that this is because shows now order fewer episodes and shorter broadcast seasons than in the past and that this structural change has more to do with the stagnation than packaging. But of course, that also begs a question: Where the fuck have the agents been to argue on behalf of their clients for a different pay structure, one that acknowledges the changing reality of fewer episodes and more work in the production of each episode?
I’ll tell you where they’ve been. They’ve been in another room, counting cash. Again, the problem with packaging is not merely that clients are poorly repped in negotiations with other clients. No, it’s bigger than that. The problem is that the agency incentive to package shows and provide larger payments to themselves has obliterated any serious thought about aggressively negotiating on behalf of any writer, or actor, or director, large or small.
Why bother to fight for 10 percent of a few dollars more for this story editor or that co-executive producer of some actor or director when to NOT do so means less freight on the operating budgets of the projects that you yourself hope to profit from? Why serve your clients as representatives with a fiduciary responsibility and get the last possible dollar for them, when you stand to profit by splitting the proceeds of a production not with labor, but with management — the studios who are cutting you in on the back end? Why put your client’s interest in direct opposition to your own?
No reason at all.
Perhaps the ugliest tell in the current negotiations between the WGA and the agencies is the incredible, self-oblivious claim by the ATA that writers are naive to think that any of the vast packaging fees, if denied to talent agencies by studios, would ever find their way into the pockets of the writers themselves. No, they insist, the studios will just pocket that money and writers themselves will be no better off.
You grifting, soulless fuckbonnets. You are so divorced from your fundamental ethos that you have actually just made this argument: You as agents are capable of achieving millions in benefits FOR YOURSELVES; you can leverage these profits FOR YOURSELVES if you are permitted to do so. However, you are claiming in the next lying, mendacious breath that you couldn’t possible achieve any such outcome if you had to do it merely on behalf of YOUR CLIENTS.
In the face of that incredible self-own, I can only respond with a singular question that I would ask of any rank parasite: If you can only leverage profit for yourself, but not for me, what the fuck do I need you for? Why are you on this ride at all? At the point that he can only achieve benefit for himself and not for his client, what the fuck good is an agent?
Years ago, when I first learned about packaging, I asked Jeff Jacobs that same question. He had no good reply then. He has none now. He is still my agent because his agency wrote me a check for some of the damage done in secret and because he promised in no uncertain terms that I would never be packaged again. Nor would my projects be packaged; even though as a showrunner, I could now benefit from lopsided negotiations with others, I won’t do that to fellow writers, actors and directors. This has been the case for nearly two decades now; at the end of every business year, I write a check for 10 percent to CAA and with this client at least, Jake has no incentive to do anything but chase the last dollar for both of us. That’s what an honest agent does. That is ALL an honest agent does.
Has it helped the writers on my shows to never be packaged? Not as much as it ought. Why not? Because, quite obviously, the entire universe of screenwriters has had salaries and work-quotes depressed for decades by agents who have failed to do their fundamental duty and negotiate for better. I know this because I see the comparable quotes that come into HBO business affairs and how closely they hew to WGA minimums; as a showrunner, it’s not possible to demand that a network spend more of its money to hire writers above their quotes and the quotes of colleagues. Packaging has, over decades, crippled and circumvented the market for entertainment writers. And every negotiation by every writer with every studio or production entity begins with that fundamental reality. Only the end of packaging will restore a market in which writers are paid competitively for writing. And only an agent whose priority is having his client paid competitively is a means to achieving that result.
That this corruption has been allowed to go on this long is testament to the greed of the agencies themselves, to the inertia of the talent unions to this point, and to the anecdotal claims of some independent moviemakers that certain film projects only get made because of packaging by talent agencies. But hey, I’m calling bullshit on that, too. For one thing, this simply constitutes a failure to imagine a world that never had a chance to come to be, a world in which agents work aggressively for a film project not because they have a larger cut of the product, but because the 10 percent commissions on every sold project is the only true currency on which they can rely. And secondly, it’s fair to suggest that as many movies failed to get made because the packaging limited the negotiation only to writers, directors and actors at a given agency. That’s right: Why get the best talent for the best possible iteration of a story when it doesn’t maximize profit for the agency involved? The tail is wagging the fuck out of the entire dog, often to the great detriment of the work itself.
All in all, I’m delighted that the WGA has finally caught up to this malignant thievery and if indeed, the membership of my union is overwhelmingly convinced of the need to carry this fight forward, then I am certainly a good vote for such. I’ve been a good vote for such since anyone bothered to explain this horror show to me, however belatedly.
I’m for implementing a new code of conduct that requires any agency to abandon packaging before it can be permitted to negotiate with signatories to the WGA contract. And if that means I’ll have to depart from CAA and Jeff Jacobs, then that’s what it means. Bless you, Jake, but right is right and wrong is wrong.
Hell, I’m for more than that. Personally, I’m for filing a civil suit against the ATA and the Big Four for an overt and organized breach of fiduciary duty in which they have effectively pretended to represent clients while taking bribes from studios to keep those clients’ salaries and benefits lowered across the board. Looking not merely at civil law, but at the federal statutes against extortion and bribery, a curious and ambitious U.S. Attorney might enjoy a deeper dive into the realm of racketeering, because for the life of me, I can’t see a difference between packaging and any prosecutable case of bid-rigging or bribery I ever covered as a reporter in federal or state courts.
For that matter, I’m for riding around Bel Air and Westwood and Santa Monica in a rental car, running up in the driveways of these grifting motherfuckers and slashing tires. I’ve got that much contempt for this level of organized theft and for the tone-deaf defense of it by the ATA. But that’s me as an ex-reporter and a showrunner and a generally pissed-off writer talking. That guy is all in. As a WGAE council member, I’ll eschew the vandalism and listen to the members and support the will of the union as a whole. I just hope, after all these years of being robbed, that my colleagues are as united and as angry as they ought to be.
chris snyder says:
David, I live in Santa Monica and I’m a writer. You’ll be able to pick my car out by the American make and ten year wear. Please don’t slash the 2009 Ford Focus.
Cecelia says:
Question. Now that the curtain has been pulled back, and these ass-trolling agencies (and their ankle-biting agents) are on their way to being defunct..who, by the way, all answer to Wall Street, which is also going belly up in the next recession in T-18 months…how can writers lead the charge? Without us, they don’t have shows. And last I checked demand for content is at an all time high.
John Marks says:
David, Thank you so much for this. I am in the WGAE as a result of my work as a journalist and writer on a Frontline episode, but I’m also a novelist whose work has been optioned with the help of a CAA agent, and I never knew any of this. Shame on me. My eyes are now open. It gives me some comfort to know that the creator of The Wire had to learn this the hard way, though I know it’s small comfort to you. I fully support the Guild on this one.
Derek David Williams says:
Mr. Simon, Although we are likely not politically yoked, I’m less likely to be jawboning on social media with Trollerati, Twitterati, or bruising for a fight with the gallery of faceless keyboarders on Disqus. I’m new to this site, but I most def will return to read your thoughts. David, you’re truly a magician with words. Thanks for expanding my horizons.
Post-script- I just signed up for HBO NOW earlier today for GoT final season. Maybe I’ll get to finally mark off The Wire from my list of the unseen…
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Tom Smuts says:
David –
Some writers I speak to think that if they reject a package on their show, they’ll be punished or, at least, neglected by their Big 4 agencies.
There are many reasons to think that’s not true.
For example, since agencies get most of their packaging fess by default or based on only one “packageable” element (e.g., a writer, non-writer producer), they actually have an dis- incentive to provide any other “packageable” talent. Much better to use that talent to get another package on a different show.
But I’m curious about your experience.
Has your refusal to be packaged hurt your ability to staff, cast or in any other way produce your shows?
The question I have which I have yet to see answered, and it is intended with all due respect, is after you had gone from “young scribbler” to “David Simon, genius creator of THE WIRE” with all that you have detailed, why did you stay at CAA?
At that point, like Steven Bochco for a long period in his career where he had no agent, you would have many other options under terms (such as going agent less) which you would have been better able to dictate (i.e., reduced commission, etc.).
Jeff Jacobs had repped me honestly in the interim since the Homicide fiasco, with which he had no involvement. And he promised to never package me going forward. And that gave me a certain confidence that would not have been there had I simply picked up and gone to any other big agency, where they all do the same shit and where I would not have the same apology, the same promise of being package-free going forward, and a penalty check in my pocket of $30,000.
And no, at the moment that The Wire was getting a green light and had not yet had an hour broadcast, I did not have whatever status you assume. I still needed an agent to rep me. Your sense of the chronology here is off.
Michael James says:
Thank you writing this article and opening my eyes. I’m a Screenwriter on the outside looking in but knowing this when my time comes will absolutely affect how things are going to go down.
Unmitigated GREED is what’s going on. How in the world do you represent BOTH sides?
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Randy Dutton says:
And have any prosecutors started investigating under RICO? Though I suspect an affirmative answer, is this same situation occurring in the game scripting and design arena?
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don’t hold back; tell us how you really feel!
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Incredibly.
Informative.
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A C Cherbonnier says:
Magnificent screed: “….grifting, soulless fuckbonnets….” indeed! Could this be the plot for another dyn-o-mite series? (Would be fine to juice it up by including a few murders—certainly there’s motive!)
watch Altman’s The Player
‘Fire Your Agents,’ Unions Tell TV Writers in Hollywood Labor Dispute - T I S H says:
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[…] transparency or input from their clients. David Simon, the creator of “The Wire,” wrote on his blog about feeling more or less duped into a packaging deal in the 1990s, when his nonfiction book […]
Chris Ward says:
Dirty behavior, and good for you to call it out. Side note: this was frustrating to read. You sort of explain packaging in the paragraph that begins, “And for the first time…” but not explicitly. I infer that the agency first places the deals between the director, writer, production company, whoever, and then sells the show as a “package” to the network, taking a share of the network deal?
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go get em tiger. https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/meet-us-attorney
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Maxwell H. says:
I’m new to the industry. Do people know of other resources where I could get some more info on this subject? Anything will help.
Lance Lucero (W9) says:
As an independent writer struggling to produce my art/entertainment and get it out to the world without the worries of securing representation is very liberating. I would have liked to be represented by an agent, but I often wondered how beneficial it would be… Sure, money, money, money… It’s all about money. I can safely say that what I have created is MINE. The buck starts and stops with me. I just need more of the buck and I don’t feel the need to chase representation in order to be further denied it.
Believer in Fairness says:
Hear hear. A preposterously unethical practice that has somehow been allowed to stand. If an agent is not for the principal, then the agent is not an agent.
The Battle Between the ATA and the WGA says:
[…] better than no money. If you want a more in-depth look at the issue, read The Wire creator’s feelings about packaging. It’s a good read, although a little confusing. It sounds to me like his problem was more […]
Therone Shellman says:
Thank You David,
This article is very interesting. I’m glad you’ve explained in detail, exactly what is packaging and what it means to writers, agents/agencies. I’m a book writer, and have hesitated to enter the tv, and screen because, of not being 100% sure about how to do business and ensure I get what i deserve for my work(s.) I know enough about the industry to know that every area of the entertainment industry is full with shady characters, who not just make money off the talent. But also seek to rob them. Appreciate the article.
Ani says:
Hi. I’m a beginner writer. I found the article very helpful. And then I’ve read your comment. May I ask you to be friends in FB or IG? I’d like to ask you some questions about writing and publishing. I really know nothing. My FB is Ani Annie Ng Galstyan
The Hollywood Fight That’s Tearing Apart Writers and Agents, Explained – Desi Times says:
[…] compensation on behalf of their clients, too. It’s a sentiment that The Wire creator David Simon expressed in a charactersitically heated way: “If you can only leverage profit for yourself, but not for […]
John Musero says:
David, The Wire helped me understand what I experienced as a young assistant district attorney in Philadelphia better than any show or movie I have seen. And for that I thank you! Like Baltimore, Philly was a 21st century city with a criminal justice and political system firmly on the cutting edge of the 19th century. I eventually became an in-house lawyer at Columbia Pictures and then a writer for Aaron Sorkin on The Newsroom. I fully support the Guild in its efforts to expose the agents’ rampant wrongdoing and abuse of power. Today I filed suit against CAA. Enough is enough.
Here is a part:
“10.While representing Musero, CAA optioned his creative work to another company that it represented, helped that company pay Musero as little as possible, and when the rights reverted to Musero, CAA redeveloped his creative work with another writer and company it represented without Musero’s knowledge or permission, and then sold that creative work to a major network who developed the work into a pilot without changing the title and without paying or crediting Musero. CAA thus used Musero’s work to generate maximum revenues for itself and its more powerful clients while putting the interests of Musero last.”
Ellis Weiner says:
My “comment” is JESUS DANCING CHRIST. John, I hope you get as much from them, whether at trial or in settlement, as is inhumanely possible.
Before I became a writer on HBO’s The Newsroom, I was a prosecutor in Philadelphia and then a studio lawyer at Columbia Pictures. David, The Wire helped me understand what I experienced as a young assistant DA better than anything I’ve seen. Like Baltimore, Philly was a 21st century city with a political system on the cutting edge of the 19th century. The more you work in Hollywood, the more you realize the industry is built upon the same Insiderism. I fully support the Guild in its efforts to expose the agents’ rampant wrongdoing and abuse of power. Today I filed suit against CAA. Enough is enough.
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Pod Save America: ‘it boys’ of podcasting take their brand of lefty politics global
Their show reaches 1.5 million Americans and has been dubbed the lefts answer to conservative talk radio. Ahead of a blockbuster European tour, the former Obama staffers talk about becoming a voice of the resistance
It has been called the new Daily Show, “cooler than cool”, and “the left’s answer to conservative talk radio”, and has become a top destination for any Democrat thinking of running against Donald Trump in 2020.
Pod Save America is a podcast featuring Jon Favreau, Jon Lovett, Dan Pfeiffer and Tommy Vietor: former aides to Barack Obama who left the White House for Hollywood, whose show now reaches an average of 1.5 million Americans per episode and sells out live events across the US. This month, it is coming to London.
Jon Lovett of Pod Save America. Photograph: Publicity image
“They’re the ‘it boys’ of podcasting,” said Jill Abramson, the former executive editor of the New York Times who is now a Guardian contributor. “They have the young liberal demographic sewn up in the same way [then Daily Show host] Jon Stewart did on cable in 2000. It’s the show everyone wants to be on.”
Recent guests have included Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker and Kamala Harris, senators competing to capture liberal hearts ahead of potential presidential bids.
Of course, the show’s hosts have White House credentials of their own. Favreau was Obama’s star speechwriter, Lovett his chief joke writer, Pfeiffer his White House communications director and Vietor his spokesman for the National Security Council, among other roles.
In the show, the four men have done more than capitalise on the lasting aura of their old boss: they have identified a hunger for emotional support in uncertain times. They attempt to soothe, inspire and amuse that part of America that is disenchanted with politics. Many of their listeners are millennials entering the political fray for the first time, brought in by the appeal of Bernie Sanders and a desire to fight back against Trump.
Vietor said: “I think a lot of people see what’s happening in the United States, they read Trump’s tweets, they see him needlessly antagonizing a nuclear arms dictator and they think, ‘What the hell is going on? This is crazy.’ And I think there’s a cathartic effect in getting together with a group of people who also feel that way.
“That’s always been a big part of the show. People tell us, ‘You’ve helped me stay sane in what feels like an insane period of time.’”
London is the last stop on a European tour, following shows in Sweden, Norway and the Netherlands. The quartet will be podcasting live in back-to-back shows at Cadogan Hall on Saturday: the 950-seat venue is sold out.
Is this a test of whether they can take their brand of lefty politics global? Vietor offered a simple explanation: “We thought it would be fun.”
‘The opposite of rightwing rage’
In the US, podcasting is more popular than ever before. Listener figures have doubled from 2013 to 2017, according to Edison Research, and the audience is younger, more educated and wealthier than the American population as a whole. Regular listeners spend more than five hours a week on five different podcasts, rivalling the time most Americans spend watching TV.
Ann Friedman, a journalist and podcast creator, said: “What podcasting is going through now is what happened when bigger media organisations got wise to blogging. In the past year there’s not necessarily more listeners but there’s definitely more money and definitely more attention being paid to it from established media companies.”
After leaving the White House, the people behind Pod Save America wanted to make a contribution to the anti-Trump resistance. And so Pod Save America was born, as the flagship offering of Crooked Media, the company started by Favreau, Lovett and Vietor last January.
Jon Favreau, a former speechwriter for Barack Obama, in the Oval Office in 2012. Photograph: Alamy Stock Photo
On the left of US politics, vigorous debate continues over how to respond to the forces that got Trump elected. Many such arguments mirror discussions in the Labour party in the UK, as the left responds to populism, disenchantment with the market economy and conflicting views over the role of identity politics.
Nikki Usher, who teaches a class on the future of media at the George Washington University, said Pod Save America was “unabashedly trying to create an alternative leftwing media ecosystem that takes all of the lessons that have failed and repackages them for the kind of audiences that treat Obama as a hipster God versus the kind of wonky principled Democrats who sit around and debate policy”.
Conservative radio is a behemoth in terms of business and political influence, and Fox News is America’s most-watched cable news outlet. Attempts to replicate that kind of success on the left have not fared well – from Al Gore’s Current TV to the Air America radio network, which declared bankruptcy in 2010. After years of lackluster ratings, MSNBC, the left’s answer to Fox on cable, has pivoted back towards the center.
“I don’t know what the opposite of rightwing rage is,” Usher said, “but whatever that is I think that’s what the Crooked Media company is trying to take advantage of.”
The founders of Pod Save America say they hope its humor, insider-knowledge and drive for collective action will make it a mobilizing force. They are advocates, not passive documenters of elections, for instance helping promote Democratic candidates ahead of the party’s impressive performance in Virginia last November. But they also seek to inform with facts, a role traditionally reserved for press.
Favreau recently spoke to Ezra Klein, another young liberal media entrepreneur who left a high perch at the Washington Post to run the political website Vox. “I’m not going to pretend I’m a bloodless analyst who can leave all my personal opinions behind,” he said.
Instead he wants to galvanize people who agree with him. “People are angry right now, but I think liberals like to be inspired,” Favreau added. “I still believe that.”
Such work will only increase ahead of November’s midterm elections, when Democrats hope to retake the House and Senate.
‘White men speaking about politics’
Pod Save America is fresh, even radical. But stepping back, it’s still four white guys seeking to reshape the future of Democratic politics as the party is trying to diversify itself.
Research has shown that in the emergence of the political blogosphere, an earlier techno-media innovation, top influencers were white males, typically with an Ivy League or advanced education. Today, the top influencers on political Twitter fit the same profile.
Tommy Vietor, who worked as an Obama spokesman. Photograph: Publicity image
With “each new technological distribution”, Usher said, “the patterns of dominance continue despite what we might think about the potential for new voices to shine”.
“I do think there’s still a perception that white men speaking about politics is politics and anybody else speaking about politics is identity politics,” said Friedman, a co-host of the Call Your Girlfriend podcast who has been a guest on a Pod Save America spinoff and remains a fan of the show.
“I listen to plenty of podcasts led by voices that are not white guys that are just not coded as general politics.”
Growing pains are inevitable. The problem is structural and Vietor and his co-founders, who cut their teeth working for and to elect the first black president, acknowledge as much. As Crooked Media has expanded, they have diversified the backgrounds of their writers, guests and co-hosts.
Mark Feldstein, a veteran investigative journalist who is now a professor at the University of Maryland, encouraged the experimentation of ventures like Pod Save America.
“Let a thousand flowers bloom,” he said. “There’s nothing so sacrosanct about all the media forms we’ve had heretofore.”
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Posted on March 10, 2016 July 8, 2016 Authoreggbanana
Luckydaisy’s Bamboo Bar and Buffalo House are located in the small, popular H’Mong village of Ta Van. The close proximity of this farming community to the tourism hub of Sapa gives it a unique atmosphere – and that atmosphere has been created to cater to trekking tourists. Of course, it’s a very different story in the surrounding provinces; we drove through several H’Mong villages on our 5-day journey from Hanoi to Sapa, and the colourfully-clad locals along the way reacted to our presence with friendly waves and smiles. Sometimes, if we stopped to admire a fantastic view, the locals would be admiring it too and we’d enjoy the moment together. This dynamic changed when we reached Ta Van. We got a little lost and stopped to check our map – and here we witnessed the glaring difference: immediately we were swarmed by H’Mong women using hard sell tactics in order to offload (admittedly very beautiful) handicrafts: bags, clothes, bracelets, and Jew’s harps in cylindrical woven containers. Their sales pitches were finely honed from years of repetition. Make no mistake… if Ta Van was ever off the beaten track, it certainly isn’t anymore.
But we weren’t here specifically to trek or buy handicrafts; we were here to work for one week at Luckydaisy’s in exchange for food and accommodation. We greeted and checked in customers, helped prepare meals, worked the bar, and clambered around the village connecting the shared water pipes to our building whenever the showers went dead.
The Buffalo House, where we stayed in various beds depending on the bookings of the guests, was a beautifully decorated communal structure with a separate family room attached to the main living area. This main area had two floors with three private rooms downstairs and three double beds upstairs in a unique dorm arrangement. At capacity, the house held ten people, and there was a shared bathroom and common area. The nature of the village meant that the water pipes (which lead up into the mountains) were shared by various houses in the area. One of my tasks was to make sure that the Buffalo House’s water tank was kept full, and this involved pulling out and plugging in various hoses to redirect the flow. A few of the guests were irked by the occasional lack of water. We explained the concept of ‘first world problems’ to one of the Vietnamese staff and she loved it. We then told her never to say it to a guest. Such was life in the village.
The Bamboo Bar was where we spent most of our time. We would wake up and head to the bar at 8.30 a.m. to help with the guests’ breakfast. Afterwards, the guests would usually go off trekking in the absolutely stunning surrounding mountains and we’d make something for ourselves to eat. The mornings would generally be quiet, and this state would remain up until around 5.30 p.m. Sometimes the bar would get busy and sometimes it would remain relatively quiet. We’d make cocktails, mulled wine and hot chocolates, waffles and pancakes. We’d frantically wash dishes to keep up with the mojito orders. Closing time was 10 p.m., and we would usually be crawling into bed at around 11. The work was enjoyable, but we didn’t get much of a chance to explore the village with the long hours.
The owners of both establishments were a Vietnamese woman named Hien and her husband, a Dutch man named Eddie. Eddie – whom we only had brief chats with – had moved to the village four years earlier and opened the bar. Back then, he said, there were no power lines or WiFi. In the last two years, homestays and guesthouses had begun to pop up everywhere as tourists started to flood in. Eddie would usually pop in once or twice in the evenings to talk at guests and bring supplies to the bar if it ran out. Hien would generally help out in the busy times taking orders and making people feel welcome. Preceding our stay were two volunteers named Zach and Karine who had been working at the bar for one month and had it running well. Sadly, we only worked with them for a couple of days.
The heroes of the bar, in our opinion, were Indie and Huyen. They were up in the morning before anybody else and they were the last people awake in the evening after closing time. They slept upstairs in the bar, which meant that apart from brief breaks to go to the market or to have the odd morning off, they were in that bar 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Indie acted as the manager of both establishments and did a fine job of multi-tasking under occasionally pressing conditions. Huyen’s effort in the bar was even more astonishing given that she, like us, was an unpaid volunteer and had spent almost a month in the bar working longer hours than we did. I am fairly certain I couldn’t do what she did without quickly burning out.
There were two lovely H’Mong women who worked in the mornings and evenings helping to prepare the meals. They also did all the housekeeping for the Buffalo House and kept the facilities clean. Their names were Teng and Hoa and they cooked amazing meals – especially dinner. Each night the guests of the day would eat together with the staff in the bar, and the spread was fantastic. It typically involved various dishes; grilled meats, spring rolls, tofu, mango or papaya salads, soups, and greens served on rice. Oh yes, we ate extremely well for seven days.
Indie (pink) Huyen (stripes). The grainy photo is my bad.
A trip to the mountains on our morning off. The weather in the valley was temperamental, being early spring. Half the time we couldn’t see the surrounding mountains for mist, but in this photo we had a lovely day for a quick trek.
A table set for one of many fine dinners.
Interestingly enough, the bar was not a place we would normally visit. It had a lovely atmosphere with a roaring fire in the evening and plenty of Western comforts – but it is those very comforts that we tend to shy away from in our normal travels. The reason for this could be that the towns we like to spend time in generally don’t have places that sell Baileys hot chocolates or passionfruit mojitos. It could be that I’m too busy exploring during the days and writing this blog in the evenings to go out and socialise. Or it could simply be that our money is finite and we want to stretch it out; we were gobsmacked watching people spend our equivalent of two days’ food and accommodation in one sitting at the Bamboo Bar.
A big part of our job was to build a rapport with the guests. I tend to be a quiet person and feel awkward trying to force a social situation, but nearly everybody that came through the guesthouse were wonderful, kind-hearted, humorous people, and falling into conversation was easy. It was great to share stories with these guests and connect through tales of travel, and by the end it almost felt like a little family that kept changing members. There were many goodbye hugs during our short week and suddenly we were offered places to stay in Hungary, France, Germany, and the Netherlands.
It was very interesting to hear different people’s stories and takes on traveling. Some of them wanted to do the same as us but lacked the funds. Some of them visited the same towns every couple of years and were amazed at how quickly the country was changing. A few were missing home and were looking forward to returning. We met a doctor fresh out of medical school who, for one of his projects, had set up one of Germany’s first free clinics. He and his partner were taking a quick three-week break before returning home to start brand new jobs. We met an American man who designed theme parks for Disney and had just come from working at the almost-opened Disneyland in Shanghai. He and his partner were heading to Japan next to go snowboarding in the north. A British couple were on their way to Australia on a 1-year visa to find work. One girl was returning back to Hungary to continue her studies in Italian literature and to ride her 700cc motorbike. We met Jim, who had cystic fibrosis and had undergone successful lung transplant surgery. He was just happy to be alive.
Of course, there were some trying times during bar hours. Once, a group of young, very drunk British and Australian people stumbled in at closing time and sat by the fire. We let them stay for a while, but eventually had to tell them to leave so we could go to bed.
“What kind of fucking bar closes at ten?” slurred one of them as he left. Two more attempted to pay their bill while at the same time arguing over “The fucking Ashes… uuuhhrrr”, and then continued their debate on the path outside. Here. In this small, H’Mong ethnic minority village in northern Vietnam. It begged the question: what in the great name of holy hell were they even doing here? Would they take selfies in the morning in front of the staggered rice fields and tell people back home about how “eye opening” and “soul searching” their drunken romp through a tourist bubble on the other side of the world was? I mean, partying is all good. But why here?
On a much nicer note, we met and had a couple of chats with Spencer, a Californian who was volunteering 50 metres up the road at another homestay and was also riding a Honda Win (or perhaps, like ours, a Chinese knock-off) around Vietnam. His trip was also open-ended and his travel seemed to vaguely reflect ours in terms of having minimal plans and lengthy stays. He has just started up a blog, and his interestingly lyrical prose is accompanied by different music for each post. I like it. And here it is.
Lastly, I briefly met a girl – I can’t remember where she was from but she wasn’t a guest – who said to me, “How can you still be traveling in South East Asia after a year and a half? I’ve been going for three months and I feel like I’ve seen it all. Now I’m going back to places I’ve already visited. Aren’t you bored?”
But I didn’t give her the answer she wanted.
More tales of volunteering:
Concreting a pit for an old man in the fifth dimension
Building a giant hammock (badly)
Collecting alms with the monks of Yangon
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The Świdwin Community Centre
The Świdwin Community Centre was founded in 1968. It includes the Cultural Centre, the Jan Śpiewak Public Library, the Tourist Information Centre and...
Military cementery
The cemetery is diversified in terms of architecture. Nearly 2,000 victims of the Second World War are buried there. The visitors may use convenient a...
Inga pleasure boat cruise
The SZKUNER County Sports and Recreation Centre offers cruises around Myślibórz Lake. The rental price for 1 hour is PLN 200 for organized groups or P...
The ruins of a church in Pargowo
The ruins of a church in Pargowo are the remnants of a beautiful church from the 14th century, which has not survived up to this day. The building was...
The Park Szczecin Outlet
The Park Outlet is the largest outlet centre in the whole province. Its name refers to the English shopping centres, where branded products can be pur...
Sebastian Karpiniuk football stadium
The stadium is a beautiful and functional building put into service in the middle of 2011 at the place of an old, uncared-for stadium which operated f...
Lake Resko Przymorskie
Lake Resko Przymorskie, as the very name suggests (“Przymorskie” means “located near the sea”), is a seaside reservoir. The na...
The Holy Trinity church
The Holy Trinity church in Mierzyn is a parish church built in the 15th century and rebuilt in the years 1849-1851. The church was built in the neo-Go...
The sports arena
The sports arena in Świdwin is managed by the local government budgetary entity Water Park 'Relax'. The arena is open to the public. Tournaments and s...
The fragments of city and cathedral fortifications
The construction of the system of defensive walls surrounding Kamień Pomorski was began in the first half of the 14th century after the attack of t...
The Ryszard Wierzbiński Municipal Stadium
The stadium belongs to MKS Orzeł Trzcińsko Zdrój sports club. There is room for 1369 people (369 seats, standing room for 1000 people). Ticket...
The communal forest
The communal forest covers an area of 21 hectares. The dominant species in the forest is Scots pine. The stand is composed of English oaks in the...
Wały Chrobrego [Bolesław Chrobry’s Embankments]
Wały Chrobrego (formerly Hakenterrasse) were built in place of the former Leopold’s Fort, which was torn down in the second half of the 19th centur...
The granary was built in the 18th century. It is a building with a framework structure, which used to serve as cereal storehouse. At present, it is...
Eastern Darłówko Bathing Area
Darłowo can be proud of a beautiful and large beach. The beach is divided by the Wieprza River, therefore we can say that there are two beaches in...
The Stanisław Staszic Pomeranian Book Collection
The Book Collection was established in 1905. It owes its development to Dr. Erwin Ackernecht, who merged collections from all over Western Pomerani...
The building was erected to function as a granary, according the design by Walter Adolf Georg Gropius, the world-famous modernist architect, a foun...
Kemy Rymańskie
The Natura 2000 “Kemy Rymańskie” area is a special habitat preservation area with the area of 2,644.8 ha. It covers a vast area of forests, meadows...
The Polish Arms Museum
The centre is within the paid parking zone and the network of one-way streets. Getting to the area of interest by E. Gierczak Street is only poss...
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The Lighthouse Trail
The Lighthouse Trail starts in Świnoujście on Bunkrowa Street, where at the mouth of the Świna River, there is the...
The “Zachodniopomorskie Pojezierza”
The trail starts in Stargard Szczeciński, where it is worth seeing the Blessed Virgin Mary Queen of the...
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VW to pool CO2 with SAIC, MG as hedge against EU fines
Christiaan Hetzner
Volkswagen Group will pool its emissions with longtime Chinese joint venture partner SAIC Motor and its subsidiary MG Motor, according to documents filed with the EU.
The move will allow VW Group to benefit from strong demand for the zero-emissions ZS EV, a small full-electric SUV that is offered in markets such as the UK, Norway and France. MG is scheduled to add a second EV this month, the MG5 compact station wagon.
Starting in 2021, fleet emissions from automakers competing in Europe need to drop to 95 grams per km from an average of 121.8g/km last year, according to market research JATO Dynamics. Automakers that fail to reach their individual targets face EU fines.
“This is an additional insurance policy due to the ongoing uncertainty in the market related to the pandemic,” a VW Group spokesman told Automotive News Europe, adding that the pool remains open for additional automakers to join.
VW Group first announced the pooling agreement on the social media site LinkedIn rather than utilizing its traditional media channels.
Regulatory pools are a legal, market-friendly solution that allow companies at risk of missing their emission targets to join competitors with lower fleet CO2.
Fiat Chrysler Automobiles has pooled its emissions with Tesla at a cost estimated to be in the hundreds of millions of euros annually to ensure its European fleet is compliant with mandatory limits.
VW declined to comment on the financial terms of the pooling agreement.
A source close to the matter, however, said the better-performing brands would be compensated for their contributions.
VW had previously stated that it expected to meet its CO2 obligation but never indicated it would need help to reach the target.
What remains unclear is whether VW Group made the pooling decision because it feared it would not be able to sell enough low-emissions cars this year and in 2021.
VW just started delivering its ID3 full-electric compact last week. On Sept. 23, the company will present the ID4 battery-powered crossover, which will start being delivered to customers by the end of this year.
“This could suggest Volkswagen Group is in fact struggling and requires the help of an outside party … to get it over the finish line and avoid paying fines," wrote Matthias Schmidt, an industry analyst and publisher of the European Electric Car Report.
According to his calculations of western European market data, MG contributed 5,700 full-electric vehicles to VW Group’s pool through July versus the latter’s own 59,000 zero-emissions cars during the period.
Nick Gibbs contributed to this report
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Lukevision, Underground Hits, Twelve27 Heads to Speak at ‘ULMII’ Entertainment Conference
By Eunice Moseley
Underground Hits Production’s Gxlden Doll and Eli, and Lukevision Enterprises’ Odillia to perform at the ‘ULMII’ Entertainment Conference.
*On Saturday, November 7, 2020 between 1-3pmPT at the 21st annual Los Angeles “Uplifting Minds II” Entertainment Conference via Zoom video conferencing the heads of two record labels, two management companies and a music producer to speak on the Professional Panel. The conference offers a “Q and A Session” with the panelists, a “professional talent showcase,” and a “national talent competition.” One winner from each category – singer, songwriter, dance or acting – in the competition will be selected by the panel to receive the 2020 ‘ULMII Best Artist” Award and over $15,000 valued in prizes.
Lukevision Enterprises was founded in 2001 by Will Luke and is a management company and record label with a current roster that includes Netherland Hip-Hop/Pop singer/songwriter Odillia (pictured bottom right) and five year-old Los Angeles singing prodigy Lil’ Matick. Odillia is currently promoting her new single “End of the World” featuring rapper Lil’ Keed, a nice club single of eternal love and is produced by Robert Watson (Twelve27 Production). Odillia relocated to Los Angeles from her home in the Netherlands after winning Holland’s “Got Talent” reality competition, and immediately signed with Lukevision. Her single “End of the World” is accompanied by a music video. Lil’ Matick is currently promoting his debut single “I Love Hugs!.” Written by the young singer, “I Love Hugs!” is also accompanied by a music video that is certainly made for kids his age. His father is Will Luke, a 20 year music industry executive from Ohio, now living in Los Angeles. Luke has worked with Snoop Dogg, Jodeci, Nipsey Hussel, Don Omar and ZZ Top’s Billy Gibbons. Odillia will perform Saturday, November 7th at the Los Angeles 21st annual “ULMII” Entertainment Conference during the “Professional Talent Showcase” via Zoom between 1-3pmPT.
Underground Hits Production, founded and headed by D. Baldwin (www.UGHIts.com) is a management company, record label and marketing group. Its roster consist of managing R&B singing sensation Eli (pictured bottom left), rapper Y.F.R.S., and Hip-Hop singer, songwriter, rapper and model Gxlden Doll aka Gene$i$ (pictured top). It also includes handling marketing for Motor Sports’ Richard Petty and NASCAR’s Bubba Wallace. The 19 year-old Kansas City native, Gxlden Doll, has garnered four nominations from Kansas City’s “People’s Choice Awards” – “Best Female Vocalist,” “Best Female Rapper,” “Best Make-Up Artist,” and “Best Model.” Both Gxlden Doll and Eli will perform Saturday, November 7th at the Los Angeles “ULMII” Entertainment Conference between 1-3pmPT during the “Professional Talent Showcase” via Zoom.
Will Luke (Lukevision Enterprise), Robert Watson (Twelve27 Productions), and D. Baldwin (Underground Hits Production), are sponsors of the “Professional Talent Showcase.” The three veteran industry executives will serve on the “professional panel” along with Digital Publisher Lee Bailey (www.EURweb.com); Television Personality and Model Melody Trice, host of “The Melody Trice Show” (www.MelodyTrice.com); Consul Paul Gardner, II, founder and general manager of The Gardner Law Group (www.TheGardnerLawGroup.com); Artist Manager Dr. Kerri Moseley-Hobbs, who is also a film producer at Imagination Lunchbox, LLC (www.Anthony-Michael.com); Rock singer, songwriter and guitarist Lukas Rossi, winner of the CBS “Rock Star: Supernova” reality competition (www.LukasRossi.com), and multi-award winning Actor (PBS, DreamWorks)/Filmmaker (One Nation, Naga Pixie) Anthony Michael Hobbs, also founder of the “Imagination Lunchbox International Children’s Film Festival” and the “ILICFF/Eubie Blake Filmmaking Workshops for Youth” (www.ImaginationLunchbox.com).
You can log onto www.UpliftingMinds2.com for more information, and for Zoom video conferencing access link/number.
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Eunice Moseley is a syndicated columnist of The Pulse of Entertainment, which has an estimated syndicated readership of 1/4 million a week. She is also a PR/Media & Promotions consultant at her firm Freelance Associates (www.FreelanceAssociatesInc.com) located in Baltimroe and Los Angeles, is the founder and coordiantor of the 'Uplifting Minds II' Entertainment Conference (www.UpliftingMinds2.com) held annually in Baltimroe and Los Angeles, as well as, the Promotions Director (at-large) at The Baltimore Times.
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Vietnamese expats in Canada gather for Tet celebration
Hundreds of Vietnamese expatriates, officials from the Vietnamese representative offices in Canada and international friends gathered to welcome Vietnam’s traditional Tet holiday at a celebration held in Toronto, the capital of Canada’s Ontario province, on January 27.
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Ao dai (traditional long dress) performance at the event. (Photo: VNA)
Ottawa (VNA) – Hundreds of Vietnamese expatriates, officials from the Vietnamese representative offices in Canada and international friends gathered to welcome Vietnam’s traditional Tet holiday at a celebration held in Toronto, the capital of Canada’s Ontario province, on January 27.
Earlier, Vietnamese people in Ottawa and Montreal and cities also met on the threshold of Lunar New Year 2018.
Delivering Tet greetings to the participants, Vietnamese Ambassador to Canada Nguyen Duc Hoa underlined significant events for the two countries in 2017.
Both sides have enjoyed important breakthroughs in their relations, which were illustrated through the official visits to Vietnam made by Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Premier of Ontario Kathleen Wynne and various visits of officials and local authorities from the two countries, Hoa said.
The diplomat affirmed the overseas Vietnamese community is an inseparable part of the nation. The country will create favourable conditions for Vietnamese expatriates, including those in Cadana, to return home and invest, contributing to national development.
This was the second time the Vietnamese people in Ottwa, Montreal and Toronto enjoyed art performances staged by artists from the Youth (Tuoi tre) Theatre.-VNA
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The 15th plenum of the 12th Party Central Committee, which was convened in Hanoi on January 16, will continue to finalise personnel matters in connection with the Party Central Committee, the Politburo and the Secretariat, as well as key leading positions in the 13th tenure.
With Phu Quoc district in Kien Giang province poised to become Vietnam’s first island city from March 1, following its official recognition as a new city, let’s discover this new important national landmark.
More than 3 billion VND (nearly 129,000 USD) has been raised during the eighth Run for the Heart race, an annual event to support disadvantaged children with congenital heart diseases.
In any circumstances, Vietnamese people entering the country through land border gates and undergoing quarantine in military establishments will be exempted from quarantine fees, Deputy Prime Minister Vu Duc Dam said on January 15.
The Vietnam Fatherland Front (VFF) Central Committee on January 15 presented a cup, named Lac Hong, to the 13th National Party Congress, which symbolises the hope that the people place on the event.
Indian Government sends aid to flood victims in central Vietnam
The Indian Government has sent 3,000 sets of personal goods to people affected by floods in the central region of Vietnam.
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Engineers in Action > News > EIA Updates > Highlighted Project: “Tacachia: When at first you don’t succeed”
Highlighted Project: “Tacachia: When at first you don’t succeed”
What happens when a newly completed water system breaks down? For EIA and our partner EWB-S&T, we ‘figure it out’!
Tacachia has approximately 90 residents whose only water source comes from the Chacajawira River. In 2014, the community, EWB-S&T and EIA built a water distribution system which served each home. However, the river water they were collecting needed filtration. The partners decided to collect water from a spring which was over 2kms away.
Community building pipeline
The community, EWB-S&T and EIA developed a plan that the 2015 work trip would dig trenches and install pipes from the collection pool to the tank location. They would install a large water tank and connect the pipeline and water distribution system to the tank. The water tank will collect water overnight to provide increased amounts of water during the day. This is particularly important during the ‘dry season’ when the spring produces significantly less water.
Carlos Ernesto Aguillera, EIA Project Manager, arrived in Tacachia the week before the team with a truckload of pipe, the water tank and all of the connections. He made sure the community knew what the materials were for, and that they were securely cared for by community elders.
“When Ernesto and EWB-S&T arrived in Tacachia in August,
most of the pipe was gone!”
The community had already dug the trench and installed the pipeline. The community was so well organized and committed to the project, they did it themselves. When the team inspected the pipeline they saw some places where the community had gently bent the pipe instead of putting in some angles as the team had planned. But it worked just fine.
“It was a great deal and we were overjoyed” said Dr. Mark Fitch, Mentor for EWB-S&T. “It means that they knew how to put in the pipe, and therefore they know how to maintain it. And there was a general worry that we would have the time to build a 2km pipeline while the team was there. And lo and behold the whole thing was built before we got there!”
Additional trenching was necessary along a treacherous section of the bank of the river. Community members volunteered to construct it so as not put the students at risk. “They clung on to vines and roots protruding from the face of the embankment as if they were repelling and built a path wide enough for the pipe” Fitch said. “It was amazing to watch them.”
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The community and team leveled and compressed the dirt foundation for the tank on a hill overlooking the village. They pushed and pulled the tank to its location, made the connections and the water quickly filled the tank. Everything was completed and everyone was happy. But this is Bolivia, and things go wrong.
Either the weight of the tank caused it to shift, twisting the connections and creating leaks, or a small leak developed first and it eroded the foundation causing the tank to shift. Whichever, by December the system was broken and not working. But the community knew to contact the EIA offices in La Paz. Ernesto went out to Tacachia and realized what had happened.
Using a little engineering creativity, he and the community bypassed the tank and connected the pipeline directly into the water system as a temporary fix. There is plenty of water during the rainy season. When EWB-S&T returns in 2016, they will reset and connect the tank so that it will be prepared to work during the dry season.
Dr. Fitch: “The great thing we have in working with EIA is that the project continues throughout the year. In other countries where we work, our partner NGOs primarily just help us with travel instead of assisting the community and the project. Therefore (with EIA) we can make progress with the project and the community throughout the year and know they are there if there is a problem. They seem to always just be a ‘Skype’ away.”
The Tacachia project is moving from the implementation into the sustainability phase this year. EIA will stay in contact with the community and make sure all works well.
And EWB-S&T? Dr. Fitch: “We’re already working on a 502 for our next project with EIA in Bolivia!”
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Brexit: Making sense of the UK and the Bipolar Brassiere
A few days ago, GNA leader Fayez al-Sarraj met with an Italian government delegation led by Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte and Foreign Minister Luigi Di Maio
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ArtPrint: Conor Harrington When We Where Kings
By Mark Westall • 5 April 2012
Conor Harrington | When We Were Kings Giclée print with 22-carat gold leaf and silkscreen gloss on Somerset Satin 330gsm paper Edition of 30 signed and numbered by the artist 94.5cm x 138cm £950. www.theoutsiders.net/
The original canvas of Conor Harrington’s When We Were Kings forms the centrepiece of his universally well-received exhibition Dead Meat, showing until April 12th at Lazarides Rathbone Gallery. These splendid giant-sized prints to accompany the show are all individually hand-finished with Pisa 22-carat gold leaf and overlaid with gloss applied via silk screen press.
Migrate Art announces ‘Scorched Earth’
Migrate Art presents ‘Scorched Earth’ a charity auction and exhibition of new works by leading artists, organised in direct response to the widespread deliberate destruction of crop fields in Iraq. The participating artists have created new works using paint pigmented with ash collected by Migrate Art from land scorched by these fires.
London-based artist Conor Harrington explores the idea of patriotism and the divisions that arise from it in his new exhibition.
The Story of Us and Them, a new exhibition of paintings by the Irish-born, London-based artist Conor Harrington. Set against the backdrop of a fictional nation-state, Harrington explores the idea of patriotism and the divisions that arise from it
Swizz Beatz’s No Commission a zero commission art fair comes to London.
No Commission is a contemporary art fair, curated by music producer Swizz Beatz and The Dean Collection, to forge a direct link between artists’ practices and art patronage.
Conor Harrington: Dead Meat at Lazarides Art Opening Thursday 1st March 2012
“Dead Meat” is Harrington’s feast which has the air of a last supper, ostentatious in its excesses and debaucherous in its crumbling beauty.
BRILLIANT Ideas wanted:UK public invited to create artwork for leading light art festival
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At Faith in the Valley, we believe in a society free of economic oppression, racism and discrimination in which everyone lives in a safe and healthy environment, everyone is respected and everyone is included and has agency over the decisions that shape their lives. That’s why it’s important that, during this COVID-19 pandemic, we make sure the people closest to the pain have a voice and get the help they need to weather this health crisis.
We also understand that as a faith community, we are what we need. Our collaboration, cooperation and co-creation during this moment will be the quickest way to prevent this virus from spreading in the Central Valley.
We are doing our part by holding weekly conference calls, training classes and seminars with faith and community leaders. We continue to bring change to our communities through research actions with our local, county and statewide leaders. We also continue to lift up the crucial importance of being counted in the 2020 Census because we believe both the Census and Schools and Community First ballot initiative create a clear path to stable funding for our region at a time when our communities will desperately need it.
To minimize the spread of the virus, bold, decisive and swift action is necessary to ensure that everyone who lives here is able to get their basic needs met and maintain their dignity. As leaders who collectively work alongside thousands of people across the Central Valley, we urge governments at all levels to continue taking action to protect residents, reduce physical and social dislocation, and promote public health during these extraordinary times.
Together, let’s work to keep everyone safe and our faith in the Valley strong.
About Faith in the Valley
Faith in the Valley is a faith-based grassroots community organization in California’s Central Valley representing families in Fresno, Kern, Merced, Stanislaus and San Joaquin Counties. Our work is led by volunteer leaders who are among the people most impacted by equity issues: low-wage workers, young people, immigrants and the formerly incarcerated.
We are a federated member of PICO California, the largest faith based community organizing network in California, with an institutional membership of 485 congregations from more than a dozen faith traditions across the state. Faith in the Valley is also part of the National Faith in Action Network. Together, we are anchored in a prophetic theology of resistance that helps people understand the systemic roots of their shared suffering, as well as articulate an alternative narrative that liberates individuals and communities from the dominant cultural norms that perpetuate inequity.
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Michelism
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("MISH-el-ism") At the Third Eastern in October 1937, Don Wollheim read a speech written by John Michel[1] which denounced the "Gernsback Delusion" and declared that stf had made idealists and dreamers of fans, since it is the best form of escape literature ever invented. Since we cannot escape from the world, science-fiction has failed in not facing the realities being fought out in Madrid and Shanghai [and later in other locations we'll leave you to fill in as events unprogress] and in the battles between reaction and progressive forces at home and abroad.
"THEREFORE: Be it moved that this, the Third Eastern Science Fiction Convention, shall place itself on record as opposing all forces leading to barbarism, the advancement of pseudo-sciences and militaristic ideologies [referring to the racist notions of Naziism], and shall further resolve that science-fiction should by nature stand for all forces working for a more unified world, a more Utopian existence, the application of science to human happiness, and a saner outlook on life."
Hot debate followed and the motion was defeated 12 to 8 (the 8 being the Futurians, voting en bloc).
To further the movement, soon named "Michelism," its advocates formed the Committee for the Political Advancement of Science Fiction, which armed itself with slogans like "Save Humanity with Science and Sanity" and "Lift the Embargo on Loyalist Spain". (The former motto was not a reference to the Null-A text, but a call for education and intelligence.) They distributed radical pamphlets at the Newark Convention and thru FAPA, and published an issue or two of SCIENCE FICTION ADVANCE, which included articles on contemporary issues by writers from Jack Speer (for the conservatives) to Josef Stalin (for the...oh, you knew?)
A few American allies like Ackerman and Rothman rallied to the cause; intensive opposition came from moderating liberals like Speer, personal enemies such as Moskowitz, and rank and file fans who just didn't believe in mixing politics and stf. Such names as beard-and-bomb boys (from the antique American notion that all radicals were bomb-throwing anarchists), Bolos or Brooklyn Bolsheviki (from Moskowitz' definition of the movement; and the location of Michel, and later the Ivory Tower, in the borough of Brooklyn) were tagged on the Michelists.
At the time everybody tried his hand at defining Michelism. Moskowitz' was the shortest: "It is Communism." (At that time Soviet Communism was still called "Bolshevism", hence the nicknames cited above.) Lowndes said it was a state of mind which began with discontent at what science-fiction now is, proceeds thru the question, What is our purpose?, to the answer that we should not reject our dreams, but try to make them realities.
Wollheim, after some early pronunciamentos like: "MICHELISM is the belief that science-fiction fans should actively work for the realization of the scientific socialist world-state as the only genuine justification for their activities and existence..." finally described the Michelists' attitude 1938 thusly: "They understood that fans who were trying to realize science-fiction thru many channels and diverse methods in the general sociological field were on the correct road and should be aided and encouraged. Those who were socialists and those who were only mild Esperantists were both on the right track."
Proselytizing efforts in FAPA ended when the Quadrumvirs resigned, after a year, in a feeling of temporary defeat, but Doc Lowndes, and to a lesser extent the others, kept plugging at the line and modifying and adapting the program to changing conditions. With the Exclusion Act, and eventually the war against the Axis Powers, fan feeling toward the Michelists moderated somewhat. The movement was considered a thing of the past by 1942, tho new fen under such banners as the Intellectual Brotherhood of Pro-Scientists, Animalist Party, etc, carried on what might be called Michelism in Lowndes' definition.
Michelism in a sense was an overflow into fandom of the active opposition to Naziism that appeared in the democracies in the late 30s, and which manifested itself in seeking for policies of active resistance to totalitarian aggression -- a search which led some into getting mixed up with Communism thru the total lack of a strong program on the part of the democratic powers. After the Michelist speech, sociological discussion came into fandom to stay, but it is impossible to assign relative weights to Michelism and other broader forces in this development. The Michelists themselves probably antagonized more people than they converted.
At the Third Eastern Science Fiction Convention in Philadelphia in October 1937, Wollheim read a speech written by Michel. The speech denounced the "Gernsback delusion" that science-fiction's purpose is to make scientists out of its readers. Instead, it has made idealists and dreamers of them, because it is the best form of escape literature yet invented. But we cannot escape from the world; science-fiction already stinks because is has failed to face the realities being fot out in Madrid and Shanghai, and in the battles between reaction and progressive forces at home and abroad. "THEREFORE: Be it moved that this, the Third Eastern Science Fiction Convention, shall place itself on record as opposing all forces leading to barbarism, the advancement of pseudo-sciences and militaristic ideologies, and shall further resolve that science fiction should by nature stand for all forces working for a more unified world, a more Utopian existence, the application of science to human happiness, and a saner outlook on life." Lengthy debate followed, more on the speech than on the resolution, and the motion was finally defeated, several attendees not voting, by a vote of 8 to 12, the 8 being "the visitors here today wearing the red delegate badges of the NYFA".
To further the movement, which they soon named "Michelism", its advocates formed the CPASF, which armed itself with slogans like "Save Humanity with Science & Sanity" and "Lift the Embargo on Loyalist Spain", distributed Leftist pamflets at the Newark Convention and thru the FAPA, and published an issue or two of the Science Fiction Advance, which included articles on all angles of the issues, by writers ranging from Josef Stalin to Jack Speer.
Altho opposition was slow in taking form, the Michelists gained little support outside their New York group, except in England, where their general ideas were received hospitably by the First Fandom. The only important American allies were Milton Rothman and Forrest Ackerman, and they were socialists. Opposition came from personal enemies such as Moskowitz, moderating liberals like Speer and Rothman, and the rank and file who didn't believe in mixing politics and stf.
The Quadrumvirs resigned after a year in a feeling of temporary defeat, but Doc Lowndes, and to a lessor extent the others, kept plugging at the line and modifying and adapting the program to changing conditions. At the Futurian Conference, it was voted to abandon the use of the name "Michelism". Not long afterwards, with the Communazi rapprochment and the outbreak of war, three of the Quadrumvirs, Lowndes, Wollheim, and Michel, announced that they had changed from internationalism to Technocracy. As they grow into the late twenties, the boys lost the proselyting urge, while new fans, under such banners as the Intellectual Brotherhood of Pro-Scientists, carried on what mite be called Michelism in Lowndes' sense. With the Exclusion Act, and eventually the war against the Axis, fan feelings toward the beard-and-bomb boys moderated somewhat, but Michelism was considered a thing of the past. After the Michelist speech, sociological discussions came into fandom to stay, but it is impossible to assign respective weights to Michelism and other broader forces. The Michelists probably antagonized more people than they converted.
Everybody has tried his hand at defining Michelism. Moskowitz's is probably the shortest: "It is simply Communism." Lowndes said it was a state of mind, which begins in discontent at which science-fiction now is, and proceeds thru the question, What is our purpose?, to the answer that we should not reject our dreams, but try to make them realities. Wollheim in late 1937 said: "MICHELISM is the belief that science-fiction fans should actively work for the realization of the scientific socialist world-state as the only genuine justification for their activities and existence. # MICHELISM believes that science-fiction is a force; a force acting through the medium of speculative and prophetic fiction upon the minds of idealist youth; that logical science-fiction inevitably points to the necessity for socialism, the advance of science, and the world-state; and that these aims, created by science-fictional idealizing, can best be reach through adherence to the program of the Communist International. # MICHELISM is the theory of science-fiction Action." But in mid-1938: "As months passed and they got deeper into their studies, they let down their iron outlook, realizing that theirs was the most advanced and extreme view and that most of the fans could hardly be expected to have gone to such a stage. They understood that fans who were trying to realize science-fiction through many channels and diverse methods in the general sociological field were on the correct road and should be aided and encouraged. Those who were socialists and those who were only mild Esperantists were both on the right track."
Whatever may have been the ontological essence of Michelism, in practice it was tied very close to Marxism and the International's party line. After Speer had answered in the right way all the tests that the Futurian Ambassadors put to him to determine whether he was a Michelist, Wollheim decided he was excluded because, for whatever reason, he supported the Fascist powers, who were anti-Science.
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Fiona Patten MP: Let 16 Year Olds Vote and Take the Plebiscite Online – If We Have To
Member for Northern Metropolitan Region and Leader of the Australian Sex Party, Fiona Patten MP, has called on the federal government to take the national plebiscite on marriage equality online – if we have to have one at all. Ms Patten has just returned from an overseas trip with Victorian Parliament’s Electoral Matters Committee investigating electronic voting and says that with modern technology and current leaps forward in cyber security it’s possible right now.
“Countries like Estonia have successfully moved to complete internet voting where countries like the UK have been trialling it at a local government level,” said Ms Patten. “India used it in their most recent elections and public companies and large organisations in Australia are also moving to an online ballot process. It’s secure and cost effective. It doesn’t mean we still won’t have a vigorous, and in my opinion damaging, campaign on the issue of marriage equality, but what it will mean is that the Australian taxpayers aren’t slugged several hundred million dollars to do it.
“It will also enable as many people as possible to have their say on the issue. I think it is safe to say that the majority of people do not think the plebiscite is necessary so let’s make it as easy as possible for them to take part.
“In fact I would like to see 16 and 17 year olds be allowed to take part in this vote. If the critics of marriage equality are to be believed the very fabric of our society will be torn apart so it is the youth who will be most affected. The federal government obviously feels that this issue is of such national significance that they want the plebiscite so why not let young people have a say.”
Ms Patten has already written to Prime Minister Turnbull urging him to scrap the plebiscite idea and move to a parliamentary vote as soon as is possible. She has yet to receive a response.
“Mr Turnbull likes to think of himself as the technology PM – the man who brought Australia the internet! Well let’s see him put his techno-credentials on the line and move to a system that could make for a more democratic process in this country.”
Ms Patten says that there is a lot to learn from the recent experience of the ABS and the bungled Census.
“The census was a debacle that’s for sure, “said Ms Patten. “But what lessons can we take from that failure as we move to have online voting for elections, referenda or plebiscites when needed.
“If the Federal Government won’t actually do their job and put marriage equality to a vote – which they know most Australians are in favour of – and continue in their attempts to enforce this costly and damaging plebiscite on the nation, then do us all a favour and save us the time and money and do it online.
“It’s time that we stopped playing politics with LGBTIQ Australians lives.”
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68th Berlinale - International Film Festival Berlin
Germany, February 15 - February 25 2018
Mario Abbade (Brazil), Sandra Perovic (), Shahla Nahid (France), James B. Evans (UK), Tina Poglajen (Slovenia), Bettina Schuler (Germany), Ahmed Muztaba Zamal (Bangladesh), Carlota Mosegui (Spain), Teresa Vena (Germany)
An Elephant Sitting Still by Hu Bo
(China, 2017, 230 mins)
River's Edge by Isao Yukisada
(Japan, 2018, 117 mins)
The Heiresses by Marcelo Martinessi
(Paraguay, 2018, 95 mins)
Impressions of the 2018 Festival Edition by Lore Kleinert
Our jury presented three prizes: for a film in the international competition, for a film in the Panorama section and for a film in the International Forum of New Cinema.
Prize, International Competition: “The Heiresses” (Las Herederas) by Marcelo Martinessi (Paraguay, 2018, 95 min). Motivation: “For it’s depection of a hidden and forbidden subject: female homosexuality in Paraguayan society. The use of subjective camera helps us to enter the gloomy universe of the two aging protagonists. A very brilliant idea used in a debut film.”
Prize, Panorama: “River’s Edge” by Isao Yukisada (Japan, 2018, 118 min). Motivation: “The jury is acknowledging a narrative both unusual in its plotting and rewarding in its storyline. Shot in a tightly framed ratio, which reflects the squeezed existences of the main protaganists, his film reveals the problematic and often anxious existences of his characters, who are given generous on-screen time for the unfolding of their dark lives. Cruel, often bleak, and sometimes told to an unseen interviewer, their angst-ridden sufferings are developed in a manner which acknowledges their origins in manga comics while being presented with a wholly original cinematic eye which doesn’t flinch from violence and sex of a strongly graphic nature.”
Prize, International Forum of New Cinema: “An Elephant Sitting Still” by Hu Bo (China, 2017, 230 min). Motivation: “It’s a day trip of four characters, supported by a convincing cast, that visualizes the inner emotional challenges of individuals living in China’s modern society. Following his protagonists with big empathy the director tries to show different ways to cope with indifference, negligence, rejection and violence.” Photo: Hu Bo’s mother took our prize for her son who had taken his life in October 2017, at the age of 29.
Festival: www.berlinale.de
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Lyft to provide 60 million rides to and from vaccination sites
by: Kevin Accettulla and Nexstar Media Wire
SAN FRANCISCO (WBTW) — Lyft will provide 60 million rides to and from COVID-19 vaccination sites in at-risk, low-income, and uninsured communities, the company announced Tuesday.
The rides will be subsidized for employees and members, and free or discounted for those in need, the company said. The rides will be funded by its corporate partners, such as Anthem, JPMorgan Chase, and United Way.
“Making sure people can get to vaccination sites when they need to is mission critical to beating this virus,” said John Zimmer, Lyft co-founder and president. “This is an opportunity to use our collective strength to mobilize on a massive scale and serve our communities. We cannot let lack of transportation be a factor in determining whether people have access to healthcare.”
The company said its transportation network provides services to at-risk communities disproportionately affected by COVID-19, many of which will be prioritized for early vaccine access.
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The vaccine campaign is part of Lyft’s “LyftUp” initiative to make sure everyone has access to transportation.
The company said that, in addition to directly funding some rides, it would use marketing resources to connect people in need with community partners who would “route ride credits” to those in need of free transportation.
Individuals can also donate rides through United Way.
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