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Contact processes with long range interactions
F. Ginelli, H. Hinrichsen, R. Livi, D. Mukamel, A. Torcini
A class of non-local contact processes is introduced and studied using the mean field approximation and numerical simulations. In these processes particles are created at a rate which decays algebraically with the distance from the nearest particle. It is found that the transition into the absorbing state is continuous and is characterized by continuously varying critical exponents. This model differs from the previously studied non-local directed percolation model, where particles are created by unrestricted Levy flights. It is motivated by recent studies of non-equilibrium wetting indicating that such non-local processes play a role in the unbinding transition. Other non-local processes which have been suggested to exist within the context of wetting are considered as well.
Journal of statistical mechanics-Theory and experiment
https://doi.org/10.1088/1742-5468/2006/08/P08008
nonequilibrium wetting (theory)
phase transitions into absorbing states (theory)
PHASE-TRANSITIONS
DIRECTED PERCOLATION
GROWTH-PROCESS
NONEQUILIBRIUM
10.1088/1742-5468/2006/08/P08008
Ginelli, F., Hinrichsen, H., Livi, R., Mukamel, D., & Torcini, A. (2006). Contact processes with long range interactions. Journal of statistical mechanics-Theory and experiment, -. [P08008]. https://doi.org/10.1088/1742-5468/2006/08/P08008
Contact processes with long range interactions. / Ginelli, F.; Hinrichsen, H.; Livi, R.; Mukamel, D.; Torcini, A.
In: Journal of statistical mechanics-Theory and experiment, 08.2006, p. -.
Ginelli, F, Hinrichsen, H, Livi, R, Mukamel, D & Torcini, A 2006, 'Contact processes with long range interactions', Journal of statistical mechanics-Theory and experiment, pp. -. https://doi.org/10.1088/1742-5468/2006/08/P08008
Ginelli F, Hinrichsen H, Livi R, Mukamel D, Torcini A. Contact processes with long range interactions. Journal of statistical mechanics-Theory and experiment. 2006 Aug;-. P08008. https://doi.org/10.1088/1742-5468/2006/08/P08008
Ginelli, F. ; Hinrichsen, H. ; Livi, R. ; Mukamel, D. ; Torcini, A. / Contact processes with long range interactions. In: Journal of statistical mechanics-Theory and experiment. 2006 ; pp. -.
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Building in Success With Market-First Development
by Charles Perry
With more competition than ever, it’s harder than ever to build a product company that supports itself through App Store sales. It’s especially difficult these days to come up with app ideas that have the earning potential needed to sustain a business over the long term. Far too many developers have a great product idea, build it, and then are disappointed when sales don’t follow. But a lot of these products fail in the market not because they’re bad apps, but because their creators were thinking like programmers, and not like entrepreneurs. In this presentation, we’ll explore the typical “product first” approach to app development that most developers employ, and why it so often leads to disappointment in the marketplace. Once we understand what doesn’t work, we’ll turn our attention to a “market first” approach that holds much more promise in creating app ideas that result in profit. You’ll learn the most important factors in the success of a product (Spoiler alert: Your app’s feature list isn’t one of them.) and why niches are the name of the game. Along the way, you’ll learn a framework for evaluating potential markets, and how to identify product ideas that customers are happy to pay for.
This talk was recorded at AltConf 2015. Watch all the videos!
Charles Perry
Charles Perry is the owner of Metakite Software which specializes in building great apps for productive people. He also co-hosts and co-organizes Release Notes, a podcast and conference about the business of Mac and iOS indie software development. Through Metakite Software, he develops apps for professionals that want to be more productive. When he’s not writing software, you’ll probably find him making a mess in the kitchen as he cooks, bakes, or brews.
Healthy Minds in a Healthy Community
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Ace Worldwide News Group 11:55 PM on April 3, 2019
Mouth ulcers can be more than a pain — they can hint at something more serious
Stress and poor nutrition make you more likely to get mouth ulcers, and we still don’t know what actually causes them. But we shouldn’t ignore them.
April 03, 2019 at 12:44PM https://ift.tt/2UzwiGE
ICE executes federal criminal search warrant in North Texas
ALLEN, Texas — As part of an ongoing criminal investigation, special agents with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) executed criminal search warrants at CVE Technology Group Inc. (CVE), and four of CVE’s staffing companies. April 03, 2019 at 11:15AM https://ift.tt/2FZUWqD
MPs have voted by a majority of one for a bill proposed by Labour MP Yvette Cooper making it legally-binding that Prime Minister Theresa May must seek an extension to Article 50 from the EU in order to avoid a ‘no-deal’ Brexit
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Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! ABBA teases release of two new songs later this year
Bjorn Ulvaeus says the Swedish pop group has recorded new music after more than 35 years and their latest track could be released by September.
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Shot Mont. trooper regains consciousness, condition improves
David Erickson Ravalli Republic, Hamilton, Mont.
SALT LAKE CITY, Utah — Montana Highway Patrol Trooper Wade Palmer has regained consciousness in a Salt Lake City hospital and his medical status has improved from critical to stable condition, according to the Montana Department of Justice.
Palmer was shot three times in the neck, face and head last month just north of Missoula after locating a suspect involved in an earlier shooting that injured two and killed one man in Missoula.
So far, all of Palmer's interactions have been non-verbal, but he has shown recognition of certain people and commands, according to a press release. He is scheduled for reconstructive surgery for jaw injuries on Thursday and has been moved from the University of Utah Hospital's critical care unit to the neuro-acute care unit.
“We are immensely grateful for Trooper Palmer’s progress,” said Col. Tom Butler, chief of the Montana Highway Patrol. “We remain hopeful as we see Wade continue to heal and make positive strides; however, we are fully aware that he has a long journey ahead of him. We will be with him and his family every step of the way and we thank the public for their continued support and prayers.”
After Palmer was shot, he was transported to Providence St. Patrick Hospital in Missoula before eventually being flown to Salt Lake City.
Casey Blanchard, one of the three victims found shot at a related scene about an hour before the shooting involving Palmer, was also flown to Utah for treatment at the same hospital. Blanchard's current condition is listed as stable, hospital staff told the Missoulian on Tuesday.
Blanchard's mother, Julie, also was shot and wounded in the same incident, and a friend, Shelley Hays, was killed.
A benefit for Blanchard and his family is set for April 27 at the St. Mary's Parish in Stevensville. The event begins at 4 p.m., and all proceeds will go to the Blanchard family to assist with their mounting medical expenses.
Later on Tuesday, the Montana Federation of Public Employees announced in the past week its members had generated $3,000 for the Palmer family. In the same meeting, delegates approved a proposal to establish the MFPE Benevolence Fund.
"One of the historical pillars underpinning organized labor has been the assistance unions have provided members and their families during a time of crisis," a release from MFPE spokesman Bob Funk states. "With a benevolence fund MFPE can provide limited financial assistance to members who may be injured on the job."
©2019 Ravalli Republic, Hamilton, Mont.
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MPs vote by majority of one to force UK PM to ask for Brexit extension to avoid any no deal scenario https://t.co/XzBq0lrDKj
Fear and loathing: When violent anti-Russia riots unfolded on the streets of Brisbane
One hundred years ago, Australia was grappling with a fear of “enemy aliens” — Russian Bolsheviks. The fear fuelled the violent Red Flag riots — and experts see similarities with how Muslims are viewed today.
April 03, 2019 at 12:22PM https://ift.tt/2YW0jQe
How LEOs can reclaim personal privacy online
Sponsored by OfficerPrivacy.com
By Cindy Coleman for PoliceOne BrandFocus
Personal information found freely on the internet is being used to target LEOs. The security risk is real to them and their families. Daily news headlines reflect an increasingly hostile environment for LEOs – “MS – 13 gang planning to target off-duty officers at their homes,” “Targeted attack on at least seven Indianapolis officers’ homes in one night,” and “Philly police officer facing backlash.” Because of this growing hostility, LEOs are on high alert, not only on the job, but even at home where they are hoping to unwind and relax off duty.
After spending 25 years in law enforcement, Pete James is using his experience, love and respect for the profession to make life safer for LEOs. James is the founder of OfficerPrivacy, a service that removes personal information from the top 25 people-search websites, giving LEOs back their personal privacy.
“My whole idea is we'll take care of this for you. Live your life and relax,” said James, who specializes in digital forensics, information systems security and is a licensed private investigator. “In these roles, I use these sites to do my research. So I know what information is available out there and how to find people.”
What’s the risk to me and my family?
Free sources on the internet can give anybody access to a law enforcement officer’s name, home address, and sometimes email address, phone number, birthday and even the names and information of family members.
“You didn't ask for your address to be blasted all over the internet, but it's there, and it's a risk to you and your family that should be mitigated,” said James. “Anybody can knock on your front door and confront you about their arrest or question why you sent their family member to prison.”
When an officer is involved in a controversial incident, he or she has enough to worry about. Knowing that his or her home address is out there is one more source of stress the officer shouldn’t have to endure.
Can I remove my information from the internet?
Can an officer remove the information themselves? “Yes,” said James, “and you can also give yourself a haircut or represent yourself in court.”
An officer could spend several hours going to each of these 25 sites and completing the process to have their personal data removed. Some of the “opt-outs” are online only, some require a confirmation email and some require drafting an email with specific language. Others require you create an account and add a real cell phone number for verification. After all of that, not all websites remove you the first time you ask.
Then there is the need to monitor. “Just because your information was removed, doesn’t mean it will stay removed. You should be searching often to make certain your info is still private. Life gets in the way and you don't check for a month or two, or three, and then you're back on the sites all over again. We monitor for you,” said James.
Can I trust privacy services?
There are other privacy services that promise to remove your data from the internet. Ironically, some of these belong to the same companies putting your information out there in the first place.
OfficerPrivacy is based in the United States and staffed by all former sworn law enforcement who take their jobs very seriously, so privacy is ensured. It takes two to four weeks to remove personal information from people-search websites. Then, OfficerPrivacy monitors the sites in case an officer’s address re-appears. If it does, his or her personal information is removed again.
This increases privacy and helps LEOs feel more secure. “OfficerPrivacy doesn’t hide you from the government, make you invisible or put you in a secret witness protection program,” said James. “The goal is to break the connection between your name and your home address.”
OfficerPrivacy keeps only minimal data about their clients and it is always encrypted. They also don’t identify their clients as officers when “opting out,” thereby keeping your occupation private. No need to expose this fact to people who sell your information.
Safety, security and peace of mind
By removing LEOs from the top 25 people-search sites, officers get their privacy back, feel more secure and can relax when off-duty versus being “on-guard” all the time. Risk is reduced for LEOs and their families from persons with criminal intent searching them out to cause potential harm or harassment or even members of the media persistently pursuing the latest on an investigation.
Within 24 to 48 hours of signing up, LEOs receive a report listing all websites and the status of each opt-out request, noting which are “removed” or “awaiting removal.”
As a privacy service developed by a former LEO for LEOs, law enforcement departments, associations, unions and individuals, officers will be less at risk in an increasingly hostile, digital world and feel safer knowing their personal information has been removed from free access sites on the internet.
OfficerPrivacy is offering a special to PoliceOne members: Click here to receive 50% off the regular price.
April 03, 2019 at 11:22AM https://ift.tt/2OLj4ky
Another potential cyclone threatens to wreak havoc on WA’s north
As the Pilbara coast recovers from severe Tropical Cyclone Veronica and the flooding it brought last week, the Bureau of Meteorology is warning about a fresh threat which could have a “significant” impact on the region.
April 03, 2019 at 12:02PM https://ift.tt/2K0Wsh5
Maine police detective killed while aiding motorist
Author: Chief Joel F. Shults, Ed.D.
Dan Glaun MassLive.com, Springfield, Mass.
HAMPDEN, Maine — Maine State Police Detective and Easthampton native Ben Campbell was fatally wounded while helping a motorist on Interstate 95 Wednesday morning, Maine State Police said.
Campbell, a six-year veteran of the force, was assisting a driver whose vehicle spun out when a wheel came off of a passing tractor-trailer and struck him, causing fatal injuries, Maine State Pol. John Cote said at a press conference Wednesday afternoon.
Our hearts are broken at the loss of our brother Det. Ben Campbell. Thank you all for your support on this terrible…
Posted by Maine State Police – Headquarters on Wednesday, April 3, 2019
“This has been a tough day. It has been a tough day for the Campbell family, with the loss of Det. Ben Campbell,” Cote said, his voice shaking with emotion. “And it has been a tough day for our agency. We’ve lost one of our very best and we’ve certainly lost one of Maine’s very best.”
Campbell was traveling to a training on I-95 southbound when he came across a spun-out vehicle that was in the breakdown lane and partially obstructing a travel lane, Cote said. He had exited his vehicle to provide help when two wheels came off of a passing truck in a case of “bizarre” timing," Cote said.
One wheel rolled into the median, while the other struck Campbell, causing fatal injuries.
Campbell, 31, grew up in Easthampton and was a graduate of Westfield State College, Cote said
He joined Maine State Police in 2012 as a trooper and was promoted to detective in 2016. He is survived by his wife and six-month-old son.
Trooper killed in crash
WATCH LIVE: Maine State Police hold a press conference after a state trooper was killed in a crash on I-95 in Hampden.
Posted by WGME CBS 13 News, Portland on Wednesday, April 3, 2019
©2019 MassLive.com, Springfield, Mass.
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M. Night Shyamalan's WHAT'S HAPPENIN'?
What do you rate Shamalama's latest, Not Happenin'?
10 - This is only here for aesthetic purposes
0 - Zilch - Zero - Nil - Nada
Not gonna watch this
Waiting for DVD
by EdwardWilson2006 on Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:28 pm
Hey folks EL MAYIMBE here with a scoop on M. Night Shyamalan's next project.
On Tuesday Jan 16, M. Night went out to the town with a new original script, or spec entitled GREEN PLANET.
Although I originally wanted to report this last week, I held out, waiting to see who would purchase the spec.
Unfortunately, it looks like it is a pass around town, or a Pasadena. Pasadena is a term in the script world used when a new spec hits the town and has no buyers or takers.
So far, Universal, Paramount, Warner Brothers and Sony have all passed. Ouch!
The last word I heard was that Fox was still having a look, but it's looking like it'll get a pass there too.
Not much is known about GREEN PLANET, but I will report back as soon as I get any information. Now, because it wasn't purchased in the first round, that doesn't neccessarily mean that GREEN PLANET won't find a home. Many scripts don't sell first round out but what makes this interesting is that this is M. Night Shyamalan. He dominated the spec script world with everything he put out. His scripts would only be on the market 24-48 hours! After THE SIXTH SENSE, M. Night could wipe his ass with some paper and it would sell.
I'm not surprised at the passes since the infamous events during the production of Lady in the Water. He started to believe his own hype and lost his mind there, proving to the world that Nina Jacobson was right after all.
Man, how the mighty have fallen.
EdwardWilson2006
by Lord Voldemoo on Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:34 pm
here's a brief blurb on the subject...
http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/claude-brodesser-akner/
Lord Voldemoo
He Who Shall Not Be Milked
Location: Pasture next to the Red Barn
by Ribbons on Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:38 pm
I'm not a big fan of the Shyamalan-bashing. Don't get me wrong, Lady in the Water was a piece of crap, and Night acted like a douche to Jacobson, but I'm not gonna start dancing in the streets because he can't find work in Hollywood. Hopefully the experience with Lady has made him a little less ego-centric, but I'd like to see him get some of his filmmaking mojo back.
Also, I'm just commenting on the media's relationship with Night in general, not on Edward or Moo.
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by Dark Knight on Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:39 pm
I'm glad M. Night is being brought down to earth because after reading that MAN WHO HEARD VOICES book, I was like someone kick this guy down a couple of notches before his head expands too much and explodes
EDIT - I still like him and his flicks though
El Wray will find the missing reel, just watch...
GRANDO CARLISSIAN
by Yack Backer on Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:44 pm
Green Planet- aliens use fauna and plant life on Earth to take over the planet? Do they choose Al Gore as their "liason?" Wow, I like Shyamalan's work in general, but even that sounds mind-blowingly bad.
"Mommy, my salad ate me!" Yikes!
Yack Backer
MONKEY BUTLER
Location: Gettin' into The Zone
by tapehead on Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:51 pm
I'm sure there's a story by either Ray Bradbury or Phillip K Dick with a similar premise
It doesn't sound anywhere near as flimsy as 'Lady in the Water' to me - I'd say it's the poor performance of that movie and the negative spin associated with Shyamalan that is to blame for this round of rejection.
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Are we sure this is a real story? That sounds almost too crappy for M. Night
The only thing that might seem fishy about it is M Night going for another alien/science fiction story so soon after 'Signs'.
Then again Spielberg did Close Encounters... and ET within a few films of each other.
And we know M Night and Steve 'share a secret'.
by havocSchultz on Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:58 pm
Yack Backer wrote:
You can't make friends with salad...
by RogueScribner on Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:02 pm
You're awesome.
My eye isn't lazy; it's ambidextrous!
RogueScribner
The Dork Avenger
Location: Melbourne, FL
by papalazeru on Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:11 pm
I was all ready to jump up on my table and film myself doing the 'truffle shuffle' just for Ribbons on this one.
Don't get me wrong, I love Shamalamaramadana ding dongs early stuff but he abuses his powers too early.
I really wanted to dance for ribbons but, then I read the link.
TMZ states that Soul catcher Speilberg has "Already made that movie"....
Now I don't remember him making "day of the Triffids"? I remember a really GOOD movie called "day of the triffids" and I remember a really GOOD movie of "War of the worlds" but I don't remember Bergs name being attatched ( OH and before you question - check out the original versions please (film versions not book version but I'm not going into that)).
It sounds to me like a remake of "Day of the Triffids" which was, as I remmember, a really good idea. It doesn't sound like "War of the worlds" (Speilberg/Cruise) which was well...In my opinion....A really shit film!
Both original films dealt with forms of panic in totally different ways, some rather isolated and some in mass hysteria. Admittedly, if you broke things down they would be a little similar but....Can you tell me that Armaggeddon(outta the cinema) wasn't like Deep impact?
Its horses for courses really. When Lord of the Rings came out, there was a spurt of Fantasy Adventure films that emerged a few years later.
I'm suprised Hollywood hasn't jumped at this.
So....in retrospect, I jump on the table, lift my shirt to do the "truffle shuffle" at Shamalamaramadana ding dong but nothing comes out because I ponder on what might have been from the Egocentric werido.
by Ribbons on Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:13 pm
You can dance for me anyway papa...
Ribbons wrote: You can dance for me anyway papa...
You haven't said "Do it" yet...like mouth did in Goonies.
by tapehead on Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:33 am
papalazeru wrote: TMZ states that Soul catcher Speilberg has "Already made that movie"....
Paps, thery're talking about ET - Don't you remember the ET's all out taking samples and tending to plants at the start, and the little potted flower that died, and then came to life when he did - ET was a Botanist!
by Doc Holliday on Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:58 am
I'm with Ribbons on this - I think it would be shame if M. Night was now not welcome in Hollywood all because of one film.
A little humility wouldn't go amiss of course - and hopefully that will be the lasting effect of what's happening now.
In a roundabout way, this could be the best thing for M. Night - before it was always a case of "There better be a really fucking cunning twist at the end of this movie" every time he brought a new one out - it was becoming a bit of a curse for him I think.
Now, at least, if he wants some separation from that contrivance, well, he's got it.
Although Hollywood is richer these days than it has been of late in terms of individual filmmakers, it would still be a loss if his career was over.
Location: Crawling along a razor's edge
by Nordling on Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:50 am
Shyamalan needs to be forced to adapt something. That AVATAR cartoon sounded okay.
I never saw LADY IN THE WATER, and I'm a Giamatti fan. But THE VILLAGE turned me hardcore off all things M. Night, so I'll wait for input from others before I see another one of his movies.
Nordling
Location: Missouri City, TX
by WinslowLeach on Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:55 am
EVERYBODY SAY: AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!
WinslowLeach
Location: The Deuce
You just don't care anymore, do you Winslow?
by Boll_KG on Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:14 am
M. Knight has made strange movies. Lady in the Water is not an exception. I think it was ok but studios can be stupid people when it comes to movies. I bet M.Knight did not have any backing before going to the studios. If you have money from private investors before going to a studio you will get it made.
Uve plays by no-one's rules but his own. You sink you know Uve?....sink again!
Boll_KG
Most All Filmmakers make Bad Film
by tstreet on Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:18 am
Most all filmmakers make a bad or not-so-good movie, it is just bound to happen, no ifs ands or buts about it.
I hope you are right in that the experience with LADY IN THE WATER, will humble him and he will stop believing the hype, because at the end of the day he has made some quality films, and I hope to see him do it again.
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Location: Hollywood
by Doc Holliday on Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:26 am
Yup - I get teh feeling its not so much that LADY IN THE WATER bombed - its more to do with the studio noses he put out of joint along the way.
Maybe he'll get the script for ISHTAR 2 and be invited back into the fold as director-only.
by Ribbons on Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:35 am
Doc Holliday wrote: Yup - I get teh feeling its not so much that LADY IN THE WATER bombed - its more to do with the studio noses he put out of joint along the way.
Yeah, and not just at Disney - it's probably worth noting that Warner Bros. was not one of the studios that he allegedly sent this spec script to.
by Doc Holliday on Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:49 pm
I hadn't heard of the troubles with WB - can you say more, or link?
Leaving WB off the list may just mean he didn't realise he couldn't pick and choose these days (I mean, would they be on your list?)
by so sorry on Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:52 pm
WinslowLeach wrote: EVERYBODY SAY: AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!
by Dark Knight on Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:56 pm
Latino Review posted a script review
http://www.latinoreview.com/news.php?id=1446
Looks like it's called Green Effect instead of Green Planet. Sounds good though....
by WinslowLeach on Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:59 pm
GREAT NEWS!!!
N Might Shamalong has signed on to play Haji in the big screen adaptation of JOHNNY QUEST!!
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!
Woot! Woot!
Do the Zoner!! SMOOOOTH!.....FUNKY!!!
by Vegeta on Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:12 pm
Where's the little black kid saying "That's Racist!" gif when you need it?
PARAGON OF VACUITY
Location: U.S.S.A.
LOL! Well, hes Indian isnt he?!
by Nachokoolaid on Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:52 pm
I love M's movies, and I can't wait for the next one. Lady was pretty bad, and I hate the sequencing of The Village, but there are positives about both films. I think 6th Sense, Signs, and especially Unbreakable are modern classics.
by minstrel on Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:58 pm
I like Sixth Sense and Signs. Unbreakable was pretty good, too. I haven't seen The Village or Lady In The Water. I did read that book (The Man Who Heard Voices) and became convinced that Shyamalan needs to try directing someone else's material. I hope he does well with this Avatar thing, but I'm not sure it's the right thing for him to do. He'll want to set it in Philadelphia, for example, and I don't think that'll work.
"Everybody is equally shitty and wrong." - Ribbons
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He can do whatever he wants, hes the new Rod Serling!!
by Orcus on Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:05 pm
Come Mr Shyamalan tally me bananas. Daylight come and me want to go home
"Where's you're God noooooow???!!"
Location: The Underworld of AICN
"Shamma-lamma, Shamma-lamma Ding Dong, heyy heyyy. you put the oooh mow mow, oh oh oh oh, back into my smile child, that is why, that is why, you are my sugar diddy dip, YEAHHHH."
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by Fievel on Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:37 pm
At least Tarantino stopped putting himself in his own movies.
What does Tarantino have to do with this discussion?
BTW, hes playing a character in Death Proof....SO SUCK ON THAT!!!
by MasterWhedon on Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:45 pm
From that script review, I kinda like it.
MasterWhedon
KEEPER OF THE PURSE
Well, at least we had the epic that was Kill Bill. His Reservoir Dogs role was tolerable, a nice dynamic against the rest of the crew. The Pulp Fiction role was annoying, period.
But all of M. Night's roles seem to say "Hey, look at me!! I'm on TV!!!".
Fievel wrote: :cry:
I thought his role in Unbreakable was pretty good. I wonder if it's my favorite becasue he has the smallest role in that one.
I think Unbreakable is his best too except for the fact that the whole movie seems like a build up to an even bigger movie.
Dark Knight wrote: I think Unbreakable is his best too except for the fact that the whole movie seems like a build up to an even bigger movie.
Agreed. And where is that movie? That's what M needs to be working on, an Unbreakable sequel where we actually get to see Willis whipping all kinds of ass.
by TheBaxter on Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:59 pm
it sounds like AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH II: THE REVENGE
this time it's personal.
TheBaxter
Carlos Danger
AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO
Starring Sam Raimi as mother nature!
by Adam Balm on Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:32 pm
I dunno. These days he'd probably make it a meta-narrative where David Dunn just finds out he's a John-the-baptist, meant to prepare the way for the ultimate Unbreakable hero/ass-kicker....M. Night Shyamalan!
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Location: factored in this happening when it has happened
by instant_karma on Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:38 pm
I wonder if the studios reluctance to pick up his new script is to do with the fact that he went out of his way to provoke critics so much with Lady in the Water that they expect his next film to get a critical mauling and bad box office, regardless of its actual merits.
I also would like to see an Unbreakable sequel, considering the first one just plays like on big long first act.
by TheBaxter on Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:40 pm
instant_karma wrote: I wonder if the studios reluctance to pick up his new script is to do with the fact that he went out of his way to provoke critics so much with Lady in the Water that they expect his next film to get a critical mauling and bad box office, regardless of its actual merits.
that might have some merit, if critic's opinions actually had any effect on box office, which they don't.
exhibit 1: norbit
by buster00 on Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:12 am
MasterWhedon wrote: From that script review, I kinda like it.
buster00
by The Vicar on Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:12 am
TheBaxter wrote:
Harsh.
Nothing like a mondo dose of reality, eh?
Fear & Loathing in the Zone
by minstrel on Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:33 am
I read that script review and some of it sounded too comical to be real. How are we supposed to act when we see a musician kill himself by ramming his violin bow down his throat? I'd probably be chuckling. I can imagine the timpanist beating himself over the head with his mallets and Kenny G ramming his damn soprano sax up his own ass.
Maybe I'd even pay to see that ...
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Humans of Academy: Ms. Megan Dubee embarks on the Camino
Jacqueline Brooker, Senior Staff Writer
AHN teacher Megan Dubee, who in her fourth year on staff is teaching Algebra I and Social Justice, decided to step out of her comfort zone this past summer and walk the Camino de Santiago by herself. The Camino de Santiago, the Way of St. James, is a large network of ancient pilgrim routes stretching across Europe and comes together at the tomb of St. James in Santiago de Compostela in Northwest Spain. Although her family was against her walking the Camino and thought she was crazy, she decided to try something new and wanted to grow from this experience.
These kinds of signs are located every 500 feet in the trail. This particualir sign is located in the city . When Dubee saw this sign she felt annoyed she was’t at the end of the train yet and hope she would be at the end of the trail soon. Credit: Megan Dubee
Throughout the journey one of the things that kept Dubee going when she was tired and had doubts was she reminded herself of the parable of the sower. The parable of the sower is about a sower who spreads seeds which falls on four different types of ground. Each ground is difficult for the seeds to grow and is suppose to prevents seeds from growing. The four grounds each have and represent a specific meaning and lesson. The first ground lesson is: “A man’s reception of God’s Word is determined by the condition of his heart.” The second lesson is: “Salvation is more than a superficial, albeit joyful, hearing of the gospel. The third lesson is: ” The Someone who is truly saved will go on to prove it.” The final lesson is: “May our faith and the way we live our life’s exemplify the “good soil” in the Parable of the Sower . This parable is important to Dubee because it helped her be motivated and stay positive during the walk. She was also encouraged by the words said throughout the Bible, “ Be not afraid,” and encouraging words she received from fellow colleagues: Erin Krukar, Devan Adams, Melissa LeBlanc, Lauren Oetinger, as well as her Mom, whom she was able to contact when she had wifi. Dubee’s faith helped motivate her to continue walking and reminded her nothing is impossible when you have God on your side.
This picture shows Dubee on her last day in Melide and Dubee was embracing the beauty of nature. Credit: Megan Dubee
During part of the walk, when Dubee took a moment to sit down and drink water to regain her strength, she was reminded of her Academy family by some fellow pilgrims who were walking the track who happened to be high school girls. The girls who were arguing about the right lyrics to a High School Musical song. The moment put a smile on her face and gave her strength to continue.
This picture shows Dubee at the beginning of the Canio and felt very excited about the journey ahead of her. Credit: Megan Dubee
After completing the final 100kms of the Camino de Santiago, you receive a “Compostela”, which is a certificate given to the pilgrims who completed the final 100kms. This certificate was a symbol Dubee’s accomplishment and helped motivate her to try new things.
This picture shows Dubee in front of the Cathedral and she felt the presence of God, very blessed and excited to have this opportunity. Credit: Megan Dubee
Not only is Dubee a hard working, caring, and motivating teacher, but she is someone who volunteers and gives of her free time. While overseas, she volunteered her home to members of her church group at Christ the King to hold bible studies. Her experience is an example to AHN girls that once you set your mind to something you can accomplish it. Ms. Dubee is also an example of how to be a strong independent woman.
When Dubee got her Compostela she felt accomplished that she successfully completed the Camio and was excited to share her experience. Credit: Megan Dubee
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Nearly five children are hit by people driving every day in Illinois while walking or biking within one block of a school.
Vision Zero needs more funding to make progress
Mar 27, 2017 | by Active Trans
This week the City of Chicago released more information about its upcoming Vision Zero Action Plan.
Chicago Department of Transportation Commissioner Rebekah Scheinfeld made the case for Vision Zero in a speech at City Club on Monday.
In her comments, she said every traffic death is unacceptable and that we have the tools to stop these senseless tragedies. In addition to the dozen or so city agencies that will be involved in Chicago’s Vision Zero effort, she called upon everyone who uses city streets to start thinking about supporting Vision Zero.
One key part of the plan is reducing driving speed and encouraging people driving to follow the legal speed limits.
The Vision Zero plan identifies driver speed as the most important factor in determining crash risk and crash severity.
The city can manage speed by redesigning streets to calm traffic and enforcing appropriate speed limits. In our Vision Zero policy recommendations to the city, we urged the city to consider reducing the default speed limit on all neighborhood streets, and pedestrian, bicycle and transit priority areas.
See more of our policy recommendations on our Vision Zero campaign page.
Effectively managing speeds also relies on redesigning high crash corridors and adding new infrastructure. To make progress on Vision Zero over the next three years, the city needs to aggressively plan, design and implement more projects on these corridors – which will require more funding.
That’s why we’re calling for the city to establish a Vision Zero fund in the FY2018 budget. The fund could provide additional resources for capital projects on high crash corridors, in addition to Vision Zero education and enforcement activities.
Commissioner Scheinfeld also said the plan includes a goal to pass an ordinance requiring trucks to install side guards and safety mirrors to prevent serious injury or death resulting from collisions with people biking and walking. The regulation would apply to the city’s own fleet in addition to city contractors, while encouraging compliance from private companies.
Commercial vehicle regulation became a priority in the advocacy community after several tragic crash fatalities in recent years.
We worked with crash victim Dee Palagi, who was who was struck by a semi-truck while bicycling in West Town and had to have her leg amputated. Dee says new regulations could help prevent serious injury and save lives in crashes like hers.
See more stories from crash victims on our Vision Zero campaign page.
Vision Zero has been one of our top priorities over the last several years. In 2015 we were joined by physicians, traffic safety experts and victims of traffic crashes in calling on the city to develop a Vision Zero Action Plan that brings all city agencies to the table. Last year the city established a task force and began work on a plan, which is expected to be released this spring.
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Men defeat Temple, fall to Baylor
April 3, 2014 by Price Bahcall
The men’s tennis team will take their 8-8 record to Houston on Thursday as they take on Rice and Prairie View A&M. Friday, they will travel to Kerrville and will finish off the weekend in Abilene against Southland Conference foe, Nicholls State.
Last weekend the men took on Temple and fifth-ranked Baylor. They split the contest, defeating Temple 7-0 then losing to Baylor 0-7.
Assistant coach Juan Nunez said he views the beating they took form Baylor as a confidence-booster.
“When you take a beating, a lot of people like to see it as a let down and get low on yourself, but the good thing about playing those type of matches and type of teams is that it’s a huge opportunity to raise your confidence too,” Nunez said.
Nunez said talking to the coaches and all the players, they were all pretty excited about playing Baylor who is No. 5 in the country. There were a few close matches and some of our players know they aren’t that far off from victory.
“We may not be able to compete with Baylor, but with teams in our Conference and teams ranked around the 40-50’s we can play right there with them,” Nunez said.
Sophomore Marco Bensley from South Africa said he feels confident after the Baylor match and took a lot of positives away from weekend, as his tennis is starting to hit stride.
“My tennis is very good right now. I won’t say I am playing my best but I am doing what is needed to win and it has been working so far,” he said. “I am a smart player now. Before, I was a little lost on the court.”
Coach Nunez said this is usually the time in the season when the players start to play most natural.
“Your hitting everyday and taking no days off,” Nunez said. “Stepping on the court becomes like second nature, you might not win every match but you will feel pretty good about what you’re doing.”
The men will play in Abilene on Saturday at 12:30 p.m.
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Maroon 5 – Red Pill Blues – Album Review
Published on December 4, 2017 November 19, 2017 by 2loud2oldmusic
Maroon 5 started off their career as a Pop/Rock/Funk band back in the very early 2000s and brought us the masterpiece debut album ‘Songs About Jane’. 15 year later the band is still going strong with the newest album called ‘Red Pill Blues’. The resemblance between these two albums is relatively zero. The Rock/Funk part of the band is non-existent and all you have is glorified POP!
Don’t get me wrong, there is some pop music I like. However, there is something about pop music that irritates me and that is most songs on pop radio seem to think the actually have to be “featuring” a hip-hop artist or at least another artist. Singers and bands today don’t seem to be able to do a song that is strictly their own.
Maroon 5 now believes in that theory whole-heartedly. As a result, they have six songs, that is right 6!!!, on their new album that feature another artist. They are as follows:
“What Lovers Do (Feat. SZA)
“Help Me Out (duet with Julia Michaels)”
“Who I Am (Feat. Lunchmoney Lewis)”
“Whiskey (Feat. A$AP Rocky)”
‘Don’t Wanna Know (Feat. Kendrick Lamar – yeah for like 10 seconds)”
“Cold (Feat. Future)”
Now, here is the funny thing, as much as this drives me crazy, some of these songs are the better songs on the album such as “Cold”, “Don’t Wanna Know”, “What Lovers Do” and “Whiskey”. If you were to strip out the artist they are featuring, these songs would stand out great on their own which makes me wonder why add the artist in the first place. Why pay someone $100k for 10 seconds of air time when it is totally unnecessary? Did they feel they wouldn’t get airplay? They are Maroon 5, they would get airplay!!
Before we get to the rest of the album, I want to talk about a couple other items. First, the album cover. The album cover is a picture of the band with Snapchat filters…REALLY!! I think Maroon 5 has jumped the shark here with album covers. This is one of the worst I have seen this year. Second, the band. I think there are 6 members in the band as pictured. How does the drummer feel about this album. The band has a drummer, Matt Flynn, yet every song on here seems to feature drum machines. Also, how does James Valentine, the lead guitarist, feel about an album that rarely if ever has an actual guitar sound on here. ‘Songs About Jane’ highlighted James quite a bit, but with each album he had fewer and fewer shining moments. This album seems to be one electronica, synthesizer made record. Okay, enough ranting.
Let’s talk about the rest of the album. For the remaining 9 songs that are strictly Maroon 5, there are actually three songs I found to be outstanding. The first one is “Wait”. It is actually a very catchy little pop song. It highlights Adam’s ability to really hit that falsetto (okay all of his songs do). I will admit, Adam is one of the best pop singers out there now and has been since the beginning. There is no denying his talent.
Next up is my absolute favorite on the album and will be in my Top songs of 2017 countdown at the end of the year. That song is “Lips On You”. It is a slow driving, sexy damn song. Every woman will swoon when they hear it (and probably some guys too). Adam delivers a very sultry sounding vocal performance that makes the song standout and it will get stuck in your head. Play it for your loved one now and see what happens.
The last one that I really, really like is “Denim Jacket”. The song has an old school pop feel even a slight Motown feel with the background vocals on the chorus with some nice harmonizing (which is probably just layer on layer of Adam). It was a fun song about a girl that got away and he must have loved the denim jacket that she wore.
I also liked the song “Visions” and “Girls Like You”. I almost liked “Closure”, but the problem was the song was 3 minutes of singing and 8 minutes of repetitive music only. If you would strip off the 8 minutes of instrumental it would have made the cut. The rest of the songs were just so-so and I could do with or without.
The picture of the CD has 14 songs and is missing a song that was available on the Apple Music Streaming album. That had 15 tracks and the extra track was Plastic Rose which you could skip as well.
9 keepers out 15 songs – 60% (3 out 5 stars) On first listen, this album was awful. On repeated listens it kept getting better, but it was still not the best thing they have done. There are a few really outstanding songs, some really good songs, and some pure filler. Any true fan will like it and everyone else will not. It would probably help if Adam wasn’t on TV all the damn time and you had a little separation of him for awhile as I think that tends to weigh on people’s feeling of the band and the album as a result.
Categories Album Review, New Releases, Pop Music•Tags A$AP Rocky, Cold, Denim Jacket, Don't Wanna Know, Future, Julia Michaels, Kendrick Lamar, Lips On You, Maroon 5, Red Pill Blues, SZA, Wait, Whiskey
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roberthorvat says:
Does trying to reinvent themselves (so to speak) come at a price?
2loud2oldmusic says:
Yes, I think it does. Also, I think it is a result of over-saturation of Adam.
I don’t think I’ll ever really explore anything beyond the debut… not my typical kinda thing, but there were some great songs there.
I’m of the opinion that they’ve sorta became a vehicle for Adam Levine to get his R n’ B thing out.
That is probably true. Each album I like a little less.
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[PHOTOS] An Update On Happy City Transforming Denver
Cori Anderson May 28, 2018 Lifestyle + Culture
All photography by Danielle Webster
Have you noticed a few things changing downtown? Pink billboards, smiley-faced clouds, kiosks in Union Station — these are the signs of the movement spurred by British artist Stuart Semple to incite mass happiness in Denver.
It’s been just over a week since Denver started the six-week series of “artistic interventions” known as Happy City: Art for the People. So far, the events have focused heavily on educating people about mental wellness and offering a framework for making the most of the remaining interventions. Since the Happy City project is such a massive undertaking for the city, many different organizations are involved and helping to support, fund and enrich the programming. 303 Magazine stopped by a few of the events to see how and if happiness can be contagious.
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One of the very first installments of Happy City in Denver appeared at Union Station last week — a black kiosk with gold lettering at the top, reading “Emotional Baggage Drop.” Designed by Semple himself, the somber-looking station sits in the middle of the Great Hall and commands a lot of attention from passers-by. When it’s open (which isn’t all the time, as it turns out) there’s a chance to step inside to explore the theme of “storing” your thoughts, like baggage. Ideally, once you’ve unloaded whatever thoughts weigh you down, you reemerge into Union Station with a lighter step, an enlightened viewpoint, or at the very least, a good chuckle with a stranger.
When the Emotional Baggage Drop first appeared, the purpose behind it was lost on some people. Perhaps best exemplified by a series of Reddit comments that questioned whether the booth was a “pop-up psychiatrist’s office” or a “scream chamber,” it does make one wonder why black was the color of choice. Of course, that Reddit thread also included a particularly sarcastic comment reading “I checked it out $1680/month incl gas, shared bathroom … off street parking extra, no dogs, no smoking, close to light rail and shopping, hotels etc … seems bigger on the inside.”
Even though some might joke about the little kiosk, or question its effectiveness, there’s still a curiosity to step inside. And much like other immersive art installations, once inside, the decision to suspend your doubt is left up to you. So in many ways, the Emotional Baggage Drop is, like one Redditor explained, a psychiatrist’s office. Whatever or however much you put into it will be reciprocated.
“Three Billboards” by John Roemer
A large portion of the Happy City interventions come in the form of visual art projects. Though some of the major events are scheduled for June (like the makeover of 16th Street Mall alleyways and a new Understudy exhibition) a few installations and pieces are already on display. Unlike art installations in galleries or museums, these pieces are subversive and nonchalant. They might not even catch your eye at first, but once they do it’s hard to overlook them again.
Three billboards in the Denver Theatre District were painted with Baker-Miller pink, a certain hue that reportedly calms people who look at it, by local artist John Roemer. Based on a series of experiments and research conducted in the 1960s, this pink lowers heart rate, pulse and respiration of onlookers, making it a fitting color to plaster on the side of city streets. The three billboards are massive, allowing more time for the color to seep into people driving by, busy or plagued with road rage.
In order to find another set of artistic projects that are aimed at misdirecting people in a positive way, you’ll have to look carefully at the LED screens downtown in four locations. Those large screens typically rotate through advertisements and announcements for the surrounding creative and cultural institutions. But for the next month, short animated films break up the commercialism in an overt attempt to comment on that commercialism, as well as technology more generally. So far, Vince McKelvie has showcased a few different animated shorts, with heavy insight about technology’s influence on our wellbeing. One of McKelvie’s films is shown above, from Happy City’s Facebook page. There will be three more artists displaying their films on the screens throughout Happy City.
The four screens are located at 14th Street & Champa Street, 16th Street Mall & Champa Street, 15th Street & Champa Street and 14th Street & Arapahoe Street.
We can even admit that seeing the happy clouds for the first time was a little bit of a letdown. But what we realized shortly after thinking that was that it was that kind of unhappiness that all these interventions are aimed at interrupting. So the clouds weren’t always perfect smiley faces, and there wasn’t necessarily a flood or deluge of them all at once, but in the end, they were still charming and silly and they elicited the exact response wanted — a smile.
With only two happy cloud launches so far — one at the Convention Center and another at Museo de las Americas — there might still be improvements or alterations to the overall process. Especially with an upcoming launch at Red Rocks on May 31, with the Colorado Symphony orchestrating a soundtrack. Even still, each launch is an event that goes beyond the clouds, with plenty of other activities — both goofy and profound.
This has only been the first week of Happy City, and though the sunny weather and traditional start-of-summer activities may lend to the overall good vibe of the city, it sure helps to see entire events dedicated to just improving someone’s day. The most apparent thing that we’ve gathered from this first week is that making people happy is an ambitious goal made easier when a community works together toward achieving it.
For our description of all the events during Happy City, visit here.
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The MAN who KILLED KENNEDY: The Case Against LBJ quantity
Categories: Conspiracy, History Tags: JFK, John F. Kennedy, Kennedy assassination, LBJ, Lyndon B. Johnson, Roger Stone
The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ hit the New York Times bestseller list the week of the 50th Anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Consummate political insider Roger Stone makes a compelling case that Lyndon Baines Johnson had the motive, means, and opportunity to orchestrate the murder of JFK. Stone maps out the case that LBJ blackmailed his way on the ticket in 1960 and was being dumped in 1964 to face prosecution for corruption at the hands of his nemesis attorney Robert Kennedy. Stone uses fingerprint evidence and testimony to prove JFK was shot by a long-time LBJ hit man—not Lee Harvey Oswald.
President Johnson would use power from his personal connections in Texas, from the criminal underworld, and from the United States government to escape an untimely end in politics and to seize even greater power. President Johnson, the thirty-sixth president of the United States, was the driving force behind a conspiracy to murder President Kennedy on November 22, 1963.
In The Man Who Killed Kennedy, you will find out how and why he did it.
Legendary political operative and strategist Roger Stone has gathered documents and uses his firsthand knowledge to construct the ultimate tome to prove that LBJ was not only involved in JFK’s assassination, but was in fact the mastermind.
Consummate political insider Roger Stone maps out the case that LBJ blackmailed his way on the ticket in 1960 and was being dumped in 1964 to face prosecution for corruption at the hands of his nemesis—Attorney General Bobby Kennedy.
Stone uses fingerprint evidence and testimony to prove JFK was shot by a long-time LBJ hit man—not Lee Harvey Oswald.
President Johnson would use power from his personal connections in Texas, from the criminal underworld, and from the United States government to escape an untimely end in politics and to seize even greater power.
Softcover, 480 pages.
Chapter One – Lyndon Johnson–The Man
Chapter Two – Landslide Lyndon
Chapter Three – Curses
Chapter Four – Nemesis
Chapter Five – Hoover
Chapter Six – A Thousand Pieces
Chapter Seven – Mob Boys
Chapter Eight – Contact
Chapter Nine – The Road to Watergate
Chapter Ten – Carlos
Chapter Eleven – Relationships
Chapter Twelve – Wheeler Dealers
Chapter Thirteen – Location
Chapter Fourteen – Lynchpin
Chapter Fifteen – Patsy
Chapter Sixteen – Ruby
Chapter Seventeen – Poppy
Chapter Eighteen – A Few Good Men
Chapter Nineteen – At Land’s End
Chapter Twenty – Cui Bono
A consummate political insider, Roger Stone views the JFK assassination through the prism of a murder investigator’s first question, cui bono (who benefits)? Stone’s shocking answer is that the primary suspect has been hiding in plain sight for 50 years: LBJ. A riveting account.—Former U.S. Attorney David Marston
I think this is probably the most definitive book . . . the most speculation free and certainly the most rubbish free work I have ever read on the subject. You would be doing yourself an enormous favor to get it, read it, digest in, and maybe read it again.—John B. Wells, Coast to Coast
Any serious student of politics or history should read Roger Stone’s stunning new book The Man Who Killed Kennedy.—Judge Andrew P. Napolitano
Roger Stone nails LBJ for JFK murder!—James O’ Keefe III, journalist, filmmaker
Stone’s evidence is compelling and fascinating.—Dick Morris, political author, commentator, and consultant
GREAT book, you have it covered very well.—Phil Nelson, author of LBJ: The Mastermind of the JFK Assassination
Roger Stone is likely the only person who both had access to higher levels of government and is willing to stake his reputation on this particular theory.—PolicyMic
Stone’s indictment of Lyndon Johnson deserves to be taken more seriously than anyone else’s.—JFKfacts.org
Has evidence Lyndon B. Johnson arranged John F. Kennedy’s assassination—Daily Mail UK
Startling revelations—Sunday Times of London
America’s biggest cover-up exposed after 50 years!—The Globe
Bombshell new evidence!—National Enquirer
After 50 years, Stone exposes the truth—LBJ did it.—Florida Courant
Backs up the bombshell claim of President Lyndon B. Johnson’s former mistress, that LBJ was the power-crazed mastermind behind the assassination of the man he replaced in the White House, John F. Kennedy!—National Examiner
LBJ was far more evil, ruthless and unbalanced than we were told.—South Florida Post
Explosive!—Radaronline.com
Groundbreaking.—East Orlando Post
Stone’s book will change American history forever!—Robert Morrow, historian
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Who killed Kennedy? Roger Stone debates Gerald Posner http://www.stonecoldtruth.com
Roger Stone is the author of the New York Times bestseller The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ. He has authored numerous other successful titles, including The Making of the President 2016, Jeb! and the Bush Crime Family, The Clinton’s War on Women, Nixon’s Secrets, The Benghazi Report, and Tricky Dick. He is a legendary political operative who served as a senior campaign aide to Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and Senator Bob Dole, and is a close friend and adviser to President Donald Trump. Stone would parlay being the youngest staff member of the Committee to Re-Elect the President in 1972 into being a conduit of secret memos from Ex-President Nixon to President Ronald Reagan throughout the 80s. A veteran of eight national presidential campaigns, Stone would spend hours talking politics with Nixon as confidant and adviser in his post-presidential years. Stone is known for his hardball tactics, deep opposition research, biting candor, and love of English custom tailoring. Stone serves as mens fashion correspondent for the Daily Caller.
Mike Colapietro is an investigative journalist and researcher who received his bachelors from Eastern Connecticut State and is studying for a Master’s from the University of South Florida. His work has appeared in the Tampa Bay Times, Smoke Magazine, and at Yahoo.com.
SHIP WITHOUT A COUNTRY: Eyewitness Accounts of the Attack on the USS Liberty
“When the story of the Liberty does come before enough people, it could prove to be the linchpin upon which very real reform of misguided U.S. policies in the Middle East—the ill-founded ‘special relationship’ with the state of Israel—will finally come about.”—Michael Collins Piper
When one considers that thousands of books, articles, essays, documentaries and blockbuster films have been made concerning pivotal events in history such as Pearl Harbor and the assassination of JFK; at the same time we need to ask: Why has no such attention toward the attack on the USS Liberty (June 8, 1967) taken place? After all, had the ship been sunk as planned, it would have kicked off a nuclear war between the United States and the Soviet Union.
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Affective Artificial Intelligence & Law: Opportunities, Applications, and Challenges
Artificial intelligence is now everywhere and has the potential to change all aspects of our lives. However one major shortcoming of the AI today is that although it may have high IQ, it lacks EQ, or emotional intelligence. In fact, the best AI system today does not have the emotional intelligence of a 2-year old. For AI to transform our lives, AI must reach the next level. That is, any future AI system must have not only IQ but EQ. In this talk, Kang Lee will draw insights from a century of psychological research on human emotion to discuss various methods AI developers can use to develop intelligent systems with affective artificial intelligence, or the ability to detect, decode, interpret, and simulate human affects. He will also showcase several existing applications related to law and discuss the opportunities afforded by affective artificial intelligence as well as potential challenges.
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Burger robots: Labor nod revives image but reality’s complex
By CANDICE CHOIDecember 15, 2016 GMT
FILE - In this Thursday, Nov. 17, 2016, file photo, McDonald's CEO Steve Easterbrook demonstrates an order kiosk, with cashier Esmirna DeLeon, during a presentation at a McDonald's restaurant in New York's Tribeca neighborhood. Restaurant chains including McDonald’s and Olive Garden are rolling out options like ordering kiosks and tabletop tablets. Those changes may eventually reduce or change the nature of restaurant jobs, but stem more from the industry adapting to customer habits, and are likely regardless of wages. (AP Photo/Richard Drew, File)
NEW YORK (AP) — It’s a scenario often invoked by critics of minimum wage increases: Fast-food workers replaced with burger-flipping robots.
The imagery resurfaced when President-elect Donald Trump named Andrew Puzder to head the Labor Department. Puzder, CEO of the company that owns Carl’s Jr. and Hardee’s, is known for saying significant wage hikes would lead to job losses and the automation of some tasks.
But the sentiment does not square easily with the realities of the fast-food industry.
Despite local minimum wages hikes, the number of fast-food jobs has climbed, and many employers say they’ve had difficulty retaining workers as the economy improves.
Restaurant chains including McDonald’s and Olive Garden are indeed rolling out options like ordering kiosks and tabletop tablets. Those changes may eventually reduce or change the nature of restaurant jobs, but stem more from the industry adapting to customer habits, and are likely regardless of wages.
Puzder said as much to The Associated Press last year. “I think over time it would’ve happened anyway because of consumer preferences,” he said about ordering kiosks.
His argument is that higher labor costs speed up such changes. But he has also cited better technology as a factor, noting the popularity of Amazon, Uber, and ordering pizza online.
EVOLUTION AND COMPETITION
For restaurant companies that have embraced forms of automation, the primary goal has been improving service to increase sales.
“Frankly, technology is something that our customers are embracing, whether it’s through their phone, or whether it’s through self-ordering kiosks. That’s a societal trend. We want to adapt to that,” McDonald’s CEO Steve Easterbrook said at the company’s annual meeting.
Where possible, Easterbrook said, automating basic tasks was “the smart thing to do.” But he said McDonald’s would always have the human element that “brings service to life.”
For now, McDonald’s has ordering kiosks in about 500 of its more than 14,000 U. S. locations. In those stores, the service model includes employees bringing food to tables.
Chains including Starbucks and Panera say people who use options like mobile payment apps and online ordering tend to visit more frequently and spend more.
Blaine Hurst, president of Panera, said those who think about technology as a way to cut costs, rather than improve service, “not only miss an opportunity, but do your guests a disservice.”
AUTOMATION REALITY
If anything, the restaurant industry has been slow to take advantage of new technologies, in part because companies are afraid of hurting business.
Executives including Puzder, for instance, say younger customers prefer ordering kiosks, but most others still want to place orders with humans. It’s partly why most fast-food chains — including Carl’s Jr. and Hardee’s — have not widely implemented kiosks.
As for kitchen tasks, replacing humans isn’t easy. Hurst of Panera noted “salad-making robotics” demonstrated at a conference, but said the technology is still far from being affordable or reliable on a mass scale.
Troi Wierdsma, who co-owns about 180 Carl’s Jr. locations in California, said the chain discussed ways to automate tasks given rising labor costs. With Trump’s election, she said those plans were off the table. Wierdsma said automation is about “progress,” but the company still is watching how options like ordering kiosks play out.
James Bessen, an economist at Boston University’s School of Law, said it may be that higher wages lead to faster adoption of automation. Even then, the results are complicated. Automation is often partial and transforms a job, he said, rather than making it obsolete.
And the improved efficiency may lead to more business — and more jobs. The introduction of barcode scanning in the 1980s partially automated the jobs of cashiers, he noted, but allowed stores to do more business.
Worries for cashiers rose again with Amazon’s unveiling of a store concept with no checkout lines. The idea may be appealing because of the convenience factor, but it doesn’t appear to be a reaction to higher wages.
THE ROBOT IMAGE
So why do “robots” come up in discussions about the minimum wage? It can be a vivid way to rally opposition to pay increases.
An ad from a group funded partly by undisclosed restaurant companies features a robot with a handkerchief on its head pouring what looks like pancake batter onto a grill. The ad by the Employment Policies Institute was in response to “Fight for $15” protests calling for higher pay and a union for fast-food workers.
Those kind of arguments have always been used to oppose wage hikes, said Chris Owens, executive director of the National Employment Law Project, which is funded in part by unions. As with other industries, Owens said automation of some fast-food tasks is inevitable regardless of labor costs.
Regulations can have unintended consequences that hurt workers, and higher labor costs may prompt business owners to scrutinize their costs. But it’s not as simple as employees being replaced with machines.
Dunkin’ Donuts CEO Nigel Travis, for instance, has said the company talked to franchisees about scrutinizing energy costs and signing customers up for the chain’s mobile payment app, which reduces credit-card processing fees.
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Interview: Ron Yuen of Summer, Part 1
Aloha Got Soul is often the only online source for soulful Hawaiian music. That's why searching the Internet for more information about Weekends on Malibu, the brilliant sophomore album by Summer, was like digging through hundreds of LPs without a sliver of hope you'll find what you're looking for. So I decided to go to the source, Ron Yuen, the guitarist and lead vocalist for Summer. (Ron is also credited as Ronald Y. Summer in some cases). Thank you Ron for taking the time to answer my questions. P.S. Check out my post about the Summer Hana Hou reunion show.
Ron Yuen of Summer at the band's reunion show in January, 2012 at Terry's Place, Honolulu.
Aloha Got Soul: Summer recorded "Weekends on Malibu" at the Yamaha Music Camp in Japan in September 1978. What is the Yamaha Music Camp, and how did Summer become a part of the event? Ron Yuen: Our management company at the time had entered into a new partnership with Trio Records of Tokyo and we were invited to be part of a three album project. They and had secured access to an exclusive recording studio on the grounds of an ocean side resort in Nemu No Sato which is where the Yamaha Music Camp was located. (Note: Nemu No Sato is located in the Ise Shima National Park, famous for its scattered islands and bays through the area).
Nemu no Sato, the hotel where Summer stayed during the recording project, is located in a scenic region of Japan.
We all stayed in cabanas for a month and recorded the basic tracks for what would turn out to be Kalapana’s Northbound, Summer’s Weekends on Malibu and Michael Paulo’s (first solo jazz endeavor) Tat’s in the Rainbow albums. The basic tracks were then brought back to LA where the vocals and overdubs were recorded before being mixed.
Michael Paulo - Tats In The Rainbow
Were the songs for Weekends on Malibu written during the camp? How did the camp foster a creative environment to help this album come into existence? A few of the songs were “re-worked” ideas that we brought with us but I do think a couple were penned there as well. There were rehearsal rooms on the grounds of the camp were we would spend all day jamming and trying to come up with new ideas. The resort offered acres of natural creative environments from a seaside lookout to a wooded area with wildlife like deer, foxes and peacocks that would roam certain areas of the resort. We’d spend part of the day enjoying the amenities of the resort and the rest working to fine tune our songs until it was our turn to use the studio. The sessions were blocked off to allow each project equal time so we’d be in the studio a third of the day (or night). We also shared the recording engineer (Brian Bell) and some of the staff from the Music Camp on all three projects and for Kalapana and Summer, we shared the producer (Ira Newborn) as well. Oh and I forgot to mention that we were also playing on each others albums as well. so it was a very “ohana” kind of event. To me, the songs on Weekends on Malibu explore a wider range of styles than In Malibu. Both are outstanding albums, and I enjoy the diversity in each track with Weekends on Malibu. What music and experiences influenced you at the time that you may not have had when you recorded the first Summer LP? Prior to recording Summer in Malibu, we had never played with a drummer. We had to audition drummers to be able to perform it live. By the time we recorded Weekends On Malibu we had played with several drummers and had become much more accustomed to one. I know that what I heard in my head when writing songs for Weekends involved a larger musical pallet than our previous attempt. We were also being exposed more to the business side of the music industry and were made more aware about what it takes to be successful in the business. We became more critical of our songwriting process and our musical abilities. I think the music happening at the time definitely influenced our song writing as well. This was the summer of 1978, a year after a wave of hits from Saturday Night Fever soundtrack along with movies like Car Wash and the beginnings of disco. I remember Donna Summer and Bee Gee’s billboards lining the freeways of LA. Billy Joel and Stevie Wonder were hot as were ABBA, Thelma Houston, 10 CC, Eagles and Fleetwood Mac. I definitely know this influenced my songwriting! Because the album was a Japan-only release, do a lot of Summer fans know about Weekends on Malibu? Has there ever been an effort to release Weekends in the USA? There aren’t a lot of people who know about this album mostly due to the fact that it was only available in the US as a Japanese import (album format only) and as far as I know, only sold at Shirokiya’s after it was released in 1979. However, like a lot of other older recordings that were available only in an album or cassette format at that time, you can now buy Weekends On Malibu via the internet in CD format. (Because it is coming from Japan, expect to pay the price of an import).
Summer at the Ala Moana Center Stage, 1997. (Photo: Bradley Choi)
Why the Malibu theme? All I can think of is because the Japanese simply loved Malibu and would often come for extended visits with us. By now both Summer and Kalapana were living full time at the Malibu house. What was it like to work with producer Ira Newborn? You mentioned he produced the Blues Brothers movie soundtrack. The guys was (and has continues to be) a monster. Try and Google his name and you’ll see what an impressive career he’s had! We knew that he was a had just worked with the Manhattan Transfer as their musical director as they made their debut. He was an outstanding guitar player and played on a lot of the tracks for Weekends. Ira had a certain disciplined style of producing that we had not experienced before. He advised us to be critical and to focus our thoughts and feelings into coherent lyrics that made sense and added merit to the song. If he didn’t think a particular line of lyric made sense, it’d get thrown out and we’d brain storm or work on the lyric at night and be ready with something else the next day. He encouraged us and has made us better songwriters. My favorite track on the album is "I've Been There Too", I love it! What's the story behind this song? While selecting songs for the album, we were encouraged to be open to songs written by other songwriters and selected this song written by Michael Stevens after auditioning about a dozen demos that were submitted to us. The demo was actually presented to us as a rock song and got “mellowed out” by our producer. It was my first attempt at playing a slide guitar solo.
Summer at the Aloha State Games, mid-1990s. Ron Yuen, middle; Tim Hurley, far right. (Photo: Bradley Choi)
Check out my review of Weekends on Malibu here.
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Tom’s Diner by Suzanne Vega
February 11, 2018 by Aphoristical31 Comments on Tom’s Diner by Suzanne Vega1980s, Song of the Week
We’ve recently been away on a family road trip. My six year old is tolerant of different music, only once politely remarking that Steve Reich was “a bit boring”. But my three year old is fixated on children’s music and constantly demanded for songs to be skipped. But in between clamouring for Anika Moa’s ‘Animals In My Room’ and ‘The Dingle Dangle Scarecrow’, she did connect with one grown up song, Suzanne Vega’s original a capella version of ‘Tom’s Diner’, asking to hear it three times, and referring to it as “The Coffee Song”.
It’s not surprising that a three year connected to this piece when it’s so simple – just Vega’s voice. Interestingly, the song earned Vega the title “The Mother of the MP3”. When the audio compression technology was being developed, engineer Karlheinz Brandenburg heard the song on the radio, and realised that Vega’s warm, unaccompanied voice would be a challenge to compress: “At bit rates where everything else sounded quite nice, Suzanne Vega’s voice sounded horrible.” According to Wikipedia “Brandenburg adopted the song for testing purposes, listening to it again and again each time he refined the scheme, making sure it did not adversely affect the subtlety of Vega’s voice.”
Suzanne Vega is arguably the best singer-songwriter to emerge in the 1980s, a stripped down folk artist in a decade of big pop productions. Her best known song, ‘Luka’, comes from the same album as ‘Tom’s Diner’, Vega’s 1987 sophomore effort Solitude Standing. While ‘Luka’ is a good song, an elegant take on a sensitive issue of child abuse, since discovering Vega it’s frustrated me how her recorded legacy has been reduced by the radio to one song when she has plenty of other great pieces.
‘Tom’s Diner’ is featured twice on Solitude Standing – as an a capella opener, and as an instrumental closer. The song took on a new life in 1990 when it was remixed by dance producers DNA for use in clubs. Vega liked the remix, and her record company bought it and issued as a single, resulting in a top 5 hit in the US and the UK.
Here’s the original a capella version – sorry for the bad sound quality:
I am sitting
At the diner
I am waiting
At the counter
To pour the coffee
And he fills it
Only halfway
And before
I even argue
He is looking
At somebody
“It is always
Says the man
To the woman
Who has come in
She is shaking
Her umbrella
And I look
As they are kissing
Their hellos
I’m pretending
Not to see them
I pour the milk
I open
Up the paper
There’s a story
Of an actor
Who had died
While he was drinking
He was no one
I had heard of
And I’m turning
To the horoscope
And looking
For the funnies
When I’m feeling
Someone watching me
I raise my head
There’s a woman
Looking inside
Does she see me?
No she does not
Really see me
Cause she sees
Her own reflection
And I’m trying
Not to notice
That she’s hitching
Up her skirt
And while she’s
Straightening her stockings
Is getting wet
Oh, this rain
It will continue
Through the morning
As I’m listening
To the bells
Of the cathedral
I am thinking
Of your voice
And of the midnight picnic
Before the rain began
I finish up my coffee
It’s time to catch the train
Aphoristical
Graham Fyfe is fascinated by pop music, and he may be the only blogger in the world to cover Neil Diamond and Ariana Grande.
31 thoughts on “Tom’s Diner by Suzanne Vega” Leave a comment ›
There’s something calming and lullaby-esque about Vega’s vocal in Tom’s Diner, especially the ending tatatatatararatatatatarara section I could imagine appealing to a young child!
Aphoristical says:
I think it’s the simplicity that works for her. There’s only one thing to listen to – the voice. Most of the things she likes are simple – her brain is still developing.
christiansmusicmusings says:
I really dug the “Solitude Standing” album. If I recall it correctly, Suzanne Vega helped spark a folk wave at the time. Tracy Chapman’s excellent eponymous debut came out a year later. There were other folk-oriented artists who popped up at around the same time, whose names I sadly cannot remember.
Tom’s Diner tells such a typical New York morning rush story. You can literally picture it like a mini-movie. Personally, I felt the song’s constant radio play (at least in Germany) led to overexposure. I’m not fond of the remix.
After her first two albums, I lost complete track of Suzanne Vega. Prompted by your post, I just visited her website, and I’m amazed how many additional albums are listed there, though some appear to be compilations – still…
Indigo Girls probably fit in that 1980s folk continuum too.
I like a lot of Vega’s stuff. I think she’s made a few albums recently that rework her earlier songs and include outtakes etc, she maybe has 8-9 albums otherwise.
Hackskeptic says:
I really liked “Tom’s Diner” until DNA went and did that horrible repetitive dance remix of the song, which topped the singles chart and was a radio favourite forever. Everytime I hear the song now it still carries that same level if boring repetition. The rest of the album is awesome however.
I was a tiny bit young for hearing Tom’s Diner on the radio – I just heard Luka a lot.
stephen1001 says:
I’m impressed you were able to discuss this track without a single Seinfeld reference – and I like your daughter’s description too!
There’s so much to discuss about this song – I reckon you could write a book about it. There’s also a debate about who the actor mentioned in the song is, as that dates when it was written.
jprobichaud says:
Great tune! The DNA remix of it was number 27 on my favourite tunes of 1990 list.
keepsmealive says:
“her recorded legacy has been reduced by the radio to one song when she has plenty of other great pieces.”
This is the biggest crime of radio and mainstream media behaviour. They could give us everything but they choose to give us less
I guess mainstream media is becoming obsolete anyway.
I’m quite pleased about that.
I do think there are disadvantages of fragmentation as well – you get a whole lot of niche sub-cultures, and not much shared experience with your own local community.
That’s where we come in!
We’re pretty niche too though.
But hasn’t that always been true? It’s like a whittling – think of the songs from the 70s that get played over and over. Maybe those are the ones that rose to the top by consensus over all this time…
It’s hard to know who’s a one-hit wonder and who’s got an interesting catalogue.
Isn’t playing music in your car for the kids great? Fascinating what they like and don’t like, too. Right on!
We have an MP3 player with hundreds of songs in alphabetical order. It’s pretty interesting – three year old often falls asleep in the afternoon on long car trips and it’s a relief from being asked to adjust the volume depending on whether she likes the song or not.
Oh man I’ve been there, although my daughter never napped. Even now she’s laaaate going to bed. It’s like she just has too much to do and sleep gets in the way. Craziness. My son, on the other hand, goes fult tilt until he falls over asleep, like a puppy. BUt yeah, music in the car is now a much more fascinating thing, finding out what they like/don’t like. Love it!
Amazing song and a key ingredient for Fall Out Boy’s relatively recent hit Centuries. I’d never heard the Mother of MP3 story before. Fascinating
Yup, song has an interesting history.
Jim S. says:
A couple of things here. One is that I was familiar with the remix before I heard the a capella version and so came to like that. I do like the simplicity of this version though. And I have a personal interest because the bass player on this album is a school friend of mine named Michael Visceglia. I haven’t seen him in quite a while but the last I heard he was playing bass in the orchestra of “Kinky Boots” on Broadway. Good pay plus no life on the road.
Cool. Guy from my year at school is one of New Zealand’s most respected drummers – he got private lessons from Bernard Purdie at one stage.
Awesome. I gotta look Mike up next time I’m in New York. He’s got a few stories about life on the road and, I believe, a book.
I imagine Suzanne Vega would be relatively normal – doesn’t come across as a diva.
No, Mike is a pretty normal dude and he says Vega is pretty chill. I never got a chance to meet her. And even though he is not consistently her regular bassist, I still see him billed with her on tour. One of these days I’m gonna surprise him at a Boston show and just show up, give him the finger from crowd, etc.
I’m a big fan of this one. Lyrically it’s just incredible… as simple as the song itself… short lines and the melody. Beautiful.
I actually haven’t listened to the album in a while… it was actually one of the first albums I bought when I got the record player back in early 2013.
Do you like her other records too. I need to spend more time with her, but her debut has Small Blue Thing and Marlene on the Wall, which are both great IMO.
Solitude Standing is the only one I own. Truth be told, to this day it’s the only one I’ve actually heard!
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Austria lifts lockdown of hotel over coronavirus
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VIENNA, Feb 26 — Dozens of guests at an Austrian hotel hit by the new coronavirus have been allowed to leave after a lockdown was lifted, officials said today.
Nine people were quarantined following medical tests at the hotel in the Alpine city of Innsbruck, where an Italian receptionist tested positive for the virus, the Tyrol state government said.
The woman and her partner, also from Italy, became Austria’s first confirmed cases following an outbreak in neighbouring Italy.
Sixty-two people who had contact with the woman were tested at the Grand Hotel Europa in Innsbruck—a tourist hub surrounded by mountains that host major Alpine skiing competitions.
All of them were in good health but nine were put under quarantine for two weeks “as a precaution”, a state government spokesman said.
Three other people who had close contact with the Italian receptionist were also placed under isolation for two weeks, he said.
The woman and her partner, who were quarantined in an Innsbruck hospital after developing a fever, tested positive for the new coronavirus yesterday but are now said to be free of fever.
The couple, both 24 and from the virus-hit Italian region of Lombardy, had travelled by car to Innsbruck last week.
Italy has seen a huge jump in cases in recent days, including 11 deaths.
According to the World Health Organization, the epidemic has peaked at its epicentre in China, where it has killed more than 2,600 people and infected over 77,000 others. — AFP
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Court ruling allows tech giants to censor content under US Constitution
International Thursday 27th February 2020 05:40 AM REPORT
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LOS ANGELES, Feb 27 — Tech giants including Google are free to censor content as they wish, a US court ruled yesterday, in a landmark freedom-of-speech case concerning private internet platforms.
The decision by San Francisco's Ninth Circuit appeals court rejected a conservative news outlet's claims that YouTube had breached the First Amendment by censoring its content.
The US Constitution's First Amendment prohibits the government, but not private parties, from censoring free speech.
Despite its two billion monthly users, Google-owned YouTube “remains a private forum, not a public forum subject to judicial scrutiny under the First Amendment,” the court found.
Conservative non-profit PragerU had argued that Google unlawfully limited access to its videos discussing topics such as “male-female differences,” “environmental issues” and “other topics discussed on university campuses.”
Google had acted “in an arbitrary or capricious manner that provides them with unbridled discretion to discriminate against a speaker based on her or his identity,” PragerU wrote in its original lawsuit.
It pointed to similar videos from more liberal accounts such as BuzzFeed, TEDx Talks and Real Time with Bill Maher which had not been restricted.
But in a written opinion for the three-judge panel, Circuit Judge M. Margaret McKeown said that no matter how many users platforms like YouTube may acquire, they do not become “state actors subject to First Amendment constraints.”
The ruling was welcomed by YouTube yesterday.
“Google's products are not politically biased,” YouTube spokesman Farshad Shadloo wrote in a statement to AFP.
“We go to extraordinary lengths to build our products and enforce our policies in such a way that political leanings are not taken into account.”
He added: “PragerU's allegations were meritless, both factually and legally, and the court's ruling vindicates important legal principles that allow us to provide different choices and settings to users.”
The appeals court's decision upheld an earlier lower court ruling. But PragerU vowed not to abandon its case.
“Of course this ruling is disappointing, but we won't stop fighting and spreading public awareness of Big Tech's censorship of conservative ideas,” said PragerU marketing chief Craig Strazzeri.
PragerU chief executive officer Marissa Streit added: “Sadly, it appears as if even the Ninth Circuit is afraid of Goliath — Google. We're not done fighting for free speech and we will keep pushing forward.” — AFP
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A lightningquick gunfighter and current 1 fighter of the world little is known of this reclusive warrior. The only thing known for sure is that he killed the prior top fighter in the world in a oneonone duel that top fighter was the father of Afro Samurai. It is rumored that his strange skin color is due to some kind of horrible accident. The holder of the Number One headband for most of season one Justice is the man who killed Afros father before his eyes many years ago and to some extent convince him to challenge him when he was old enough. He is a remarkably skilled gunman dressing in a cowboy garb with the Number One headband tied around his widebrimmed hat. He has discolored diseasedlooking skin which his bio on the official site implies is the result of a past accident undecided but assumed by the publishers to have been submerged in toxic waste which would explain his abnormal abilities. Justice has the ability to regenerate himself after being exposed to blood as seen just before his final fight with Afro when the injured heros blood flows to Justices feet and his withered body begins to reshape into the young version that fought Afros father. He also has a third arm hidden on his back that holds a sword for catching opponents off guard in an earlier version of the official website Justice was described as The Gunman with Three Arms which explains how he decapitated Afros father. His origins are unknown but he claims that destiny designed him to attain all the headbands and thus gain enough power to rule the world as a god and bring an end to all the violence and killing via force. Justices hidden third arm is what decapitated Afros father he tries to use this move on Afro during their fight but just before the final blow Afro has a flashback of his fathers fight and sees the third arm decapitate his father. Justice was able to survive being nearly decapitated an ironic reversal of the scene with Afros father and seemed able to control the Number Ones throne room to some extent but Afro manages to defeat him by slicing his body into many smaller pieces. Justice returns several times in Season 2 first in Afros dreams seen nailed to a cross alongside Afros father then as a broken statue pointed out to Afro by Ninja Ninja and then once more in a nonspeaking role fully healed and meeting Takimoto a mysterious masked man during a solar eclipse. This small cameo has led many to believe Justice will be utilized again in a future plot. During interviews in the DVD release it is stated that Justice and Afros father were in fact part of the same clan of swordsmen and indeed best friends however their differing views on the headbands and how to end the violence plaguing the world eventually drove them apart leading to the final confrontation between the two that parallels the final fight between Afro and Jinno. source: http://tv.ign.com/articles/720/720118p1.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfroSamurai
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Lovera-Pérez and Zárate-Silva on weight for great show
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Argentinian boxing continues with an action packed night with heated rematches and important champions in the opening show of the year brought by Argentina Boxing Promotions on TyC Sports. Argentinian super middleweight champion, unbeaten heavy puncher Matías “Monzon” Lovera, will face tough countryman Hernán “El Picante” Pérez, trying to conquer the World Boxing Association (WBA) Fedebol light heavweight vacant title, in a highly expected rematch, at the main event of an exciting boxing night on Friday, January 8th, in Luis Guillón, Buenos Aires, Argentina, promoted by Argentina Boxing Promotions, of Mario Margossian, which will be televised live on TyC Sports, to Argentina, the United States and the whole continent, at 9 p.m. Argentina, 7 p.m. USA (ET).
In the co main event of the evening, in another rematch, Argentinian flyweight champion, Junior “El Demonio” Zárate, will face Leandro “El Pumita” Silva, in a bout in flyweight division, scheduled to ten rounds, in the third fight between each other, after two disputed and exciting clashes won by unanimous decision after eight chapters by the champion.
On Thursday afternoon, all of the participants were tested for the Coronavirus COVID-19, in a strict control that took place at the Argentinian Boxing Federation, and all of the results turned out negative, leaving everyone ready to fight. After that, it was time for the weigh in ceremony.
In what is expected to be an action packed fight, Lovera (14-0-1, 11 KOs), 25 years old, from Goya, Corrientes, based in San Miguel, Buenos Aires, will aim to shine again and stop Pérez (5-3, 2 KOs), 31, from José Mármol, Buenos Aires, after their first clash on August 18th, 2018, when Lovera won by majority decision after six rounds in Cutral Có, Neuquén. Considered one of the country’s most exciting prospects, Lovera, who has defeated every opponent such as José Yana, Pérez, Emiliano Vivas, and Jorge Caraballo comes after destroying Juan Rizo Patrón in two rounds to conquer his national belt on October 25th, 2019. Now he will face Pérez again, who has defeated Gonzalo Andreasen and Gustavo Domínguez Chamorro, and after losing to Lovera on May 17th, 2019, was stopped by undefeated Canadian Lexson Mathieu in Montreal, Canada, and aims for his best victory.
Both fighters made the weight on the scales, leaving everything ready for their bout. Lovera weighed 174.8 lbs., and Pérez weighed 168.4 lbs.
ZÁRATE-SILVA III, THE CO MAIN EVENT
In the co main event, in another rematch, Argentinian flyweight champion, Junior “El Demonio” Zárate (14-2, 5 KOs), will face Leandro “El Pumita” Silva (5-6-3, 3 KOs), in a bout in flyweight division, scheduled to ten rounds, in the third fight between each other, after two disputed and exciting clashes won by unanimous decision after eight chapters by the champion, on September 21st, 2018, in Quilmes, Buenos Aires, and November 13th, 2020, in Luis Guillón, Buenos Aires.
Zárate weighed 109.7 lbs., and Silva weighed 111.2 lbs.
Zárate, 31, from Ibarreta, Formosa, based in Florencio Varela, Buenos Aires, former Argentinian amateur national team and former WBA super flyweight champion, who has defeated countrymen Luciano Baldor, Fabián Claro and Silva, Dominican Diego Pichardo, on August 17th, 2019, took revenge of Juan Jurado by unanimous decision and conquered the Argentinian flyweight title. After that he dominated Mauro Liendro and Silva in the rematch, and now he aims to repeat in their third clash. Silva, 28, from Coronel Du Graty, Chaco, based in Buenos Aires, who has knocked out Baldor and Claro, only has lost against champions such us Zárate, Chilean José Velásquez, Fernando Martínez -twice-, and Carlos Sardínez, and wants his revenge.
AYALA-SÁNCHEZ AND MORE
Beyond the main fights, a heated card has been prepared to complete the night. Cristian “Azteca” Ayala (3-1-1, 1 KO), from Misiones, based in San Miguel, Buenos Aires, will face Santiago “El Tren” Sánchez (5-1, 2 KOs), from Mar del Plata, Buenos Aires, in a bout in welterweight division, scheduled to four rounds.
Ayala weighed 145.9 lbs., and Sánchez weighed 146.8 lbs.
Finally, in another rematch, in super lightweight division, Federico “El Tano” Schinina (1-0), from Buenos Aires, takes on Gabriel “La Máquina” Molina (0-2), from Roque Sáenz Peña, Chaco, in a bout scheduled to four rounds, after last February 1st, Schinina scored a four round unanimous decision in Los Polvorines, Buenos Aires.
Schinina weighed 138.5 lbs., and Molina weighed 140.4 lbs.
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The Long Range Desert Group in Action 1940-1943
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Darren Baker takes a look at a release from Pen and Sword as part of their Images of War series titled and covering ‘The Long Range Desert Group in Action 1940-1943'.
The following introduction is as provided by Pen and Sword:
The Long Range Desert Group has a strong claim to the first Special Forces unit in the British Army. This superb illustrated history follows the LRDG from its July 1940 formation as the Long Range Patrol in North Africa, tasked with intelligence gathering, mapping and reconnaissance deep behind enemy lines. Manned initially by New Zealanders, in1940 the unit became the LRDG with members drawn from British Guards and Yeomanry regiments and Rhodesians.
So successful were the LRDG patrols, that when the Special Air Service were formed, they often relied on their navigational and tactical skills to achieve their missions. After victory in North Africa the LRDG re-located to Lebanon before being sent on the ill-fated mission to the Dodecanese Islands in the Aegean. Serving independently, when the Germans overwhelmed and captured the British garrisons, many LRDG personnel escaped using their well-honed skills.
Many images in this, the first pictorial history of the LRDG, were taken unofficially by serving members. The result is a superb record of the LRDG’s achievements, the personalities, their weapons and vehicles which will delight laymen and specialists alike.
Some information on the author:
Brendan O’Carroll lives in Auckland, New Zealand and recently retired from the New Zealand Customs Service. With a long time interest in military history, the Long Range Desert Group has become his speciality. He has interviewed over 30 veterans while writing The Kiwi Scorpions: The Story of the New Zealanders in the LRDG (2000), Bearded Brigands(2002) and Barce Raid: The LRDG’s Most Daring Exploit in World War Two (2005).This book follows The LRDG in the Aegean (2020) under the Pen and Sword Military imprint. He has numerous other published works and articles to hiscredit. In 2006 his work was recognised by awards from the New Zealand Military Historical Society.
This offering from Pen and Sword is part of the ‘Images at War’ series. This series of books are soft backed offerings having a good card cover with a very good spine to the book that keeps the contents in good order. This book covering ‘The Long Range Desert Group in Action 1940-1943’ has been authored by Brendan O’Carroll. The contents of this title are provided over 215 pages of good quality semi gloss paper plus a good number of blank pages at the rear of the title for the reader to make notes.
The contents are presented in the following sections:
Chapter 1 – The Early Days
Chapter 2 – Long Range Desert Group Operations in the Fezzan, 1941
Chapter 3 – 1941-42: An Overview – The CMP Ford F30
Chapter 4 – 1942-43: An Overview – Chevrolet 1533X2 4 X 230cwt
Chapter 5 – The Long Range Desert Group Air Section
Chapter 6 – The Barce Raid
Chapter 7 – The Final Days in the Desert
Chapter 8 – The Dodecanese Operations: The Aegean, 1943
This offering from Pen and Sword is part of the Images of War series and is laid and logical manner. The author has provided a written introduction to each section which offers varying degrees of information to the reader. The format for this series of books does I feel make it difficult for the author to provide the level of information that they wish to, but I would class the efforts of the author here as especially good and provides excellent information on the main vehicles used and two of the major operations undertaken.
The introduction and early days of the unit that became the LRDG are well worth the read and provides some excellent visual reference. The quality of some images is also addressed here and it us explained that while personal cameras were not permitted the men of the LRDG were not ones for following the rules of others and had their own code. The picture quality is the result of general equipment quality, the conditions cameras and film were exposed to and the locations in which the film was developed.
The chapters covering the CMP Ford F30 and Chevrolet 1533X24 X 2 30cwt trucks are chapters that I found particularly appealing from both the written and pictorial aspects. The written information provides some great snippets such as how many of the crews hated the CMP Ford F30 trucks due to the engines protruding into the cab and make the heat even more unbearable. Due to this section being on the vehicles it also provides some great visual reference on the changes the crews made to make the vehicles more effective and reliable.
The book also covers a couple of the Operations the units were involved in; one of which was Dodecanese Operations that cost the LRDG so many of its highly trained members. The photographs do a great job of covering the wide range of uniform and clothing worn by the members of the LRDG. The uniform worn was both official, civilian and native produced such as the goat/sheepskin jackets that were so praised; many think of the heat in the desert but it’s the cold at night that can be just as deadly.
This offering from Pen and Sword is part of the Images of War series is the most appealing I have obtained so far due to the presentation and subject matter. The text is well written and I enjoyed reading it and in doing so learned bits I didn’t know previously. The photographs brought together here are a stunning selection despite the various quality as it shows the men and machines living the war they fought in, it also puts the reader in touch with these men none of whom I could find alive today. Lastly the captions are well written and provide that extra touch that photographs benefit from.
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Why are we talking about R Kelly in 2019 when there are so many other pressing issues?
Dream Hampton‘s 6-part Lifetime TV series “Surviving R Kelly” has brought it all up again when it aired this past week. This is a very divisive issue in the Black Community. Because it divides those who value the health and safety of black women and girls from those who don’t. And it’s painful to see who falls on which side.
Every few years, someone sounds the alarm about R Kelly. Jim DeRogatis has an extensive archive of meticulously researched articles on Kelly that detail the abuse, and it has never been enough to shut him down. Because the lives of black women and girls weren’t sufficiently important to prioritize over the entertainment dollars Kelly was making for the industry. And consumers allegedly found his music too irresistible to pay attention to his potentially pedophillic muse. Every few years, someone sounds the alarm (Jessica Hopper in 2013), and somehow, Kelly kept managing to press the snooze button. Decade after decade. Scandal after scandal. Court case after court case. Expose after expose. I am one of many black women authors (Jamilah Lemieux, Mikki Kendall, Britni Danielle, Jamie Nesbitt Golden) who has written extensively about him since the early ’00s (I also designed the “evidence” images in this post). But nothing has ever been enough. Not his fraudulent marriage to a child. Not a video of him having sex with a child. Not an endless parade of underage and barely legal witnesses. It was never enough. And black music consumers, led by male rape apologists, have insisted on either separating the music from the man or blaming the victims. All as Kelly himself continues to fuel the paranoid fantasy that he is somehow the victim, the persecuted one, and using his extensive platform to amplify that narrative, as well as to attract a never-ending stream impressionable young female fans who were in a position to be groomed by him for further abuse. But could it be that Dream Hampton’s meticulously researched and produced Lifetime TV series will be the tipping point? Is it possible that this black woman’s vision will finally succeed where the legal system, the entertainment industry, and the power of the black consumer have all failed? Could these industries, in this new landscape, where MeToo and TimesUp have modeled consequences for predators, will finally shut R Kelly down for good? I certainly hope so. Why the hell are we still talking about this predator and his predatory action in the present tense? There is no good reason. Because as folks say in the vernacular: we shoulda been done handled it. So may Dream Hampton’s series be the period at the end of R Kelly’s sentence. Let “Surviving R Kelly” be the final alarm bell. Because we need to wake the hell up, so that we’re not having this same conversation again in 2029.
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Honda Philosophy
The Honda Philosophy consists of Fundamental Beliefs (including "Respect for the Individual" and "The Three Joys"), the Company Principle, and Management Policies. This philosophy is not only shared by all associates, but also forms the basis for all company activities and sets the standard for the conduct and decision-making of all associates. Driven by its dreams and reflecting its values, Honda will continue taking on challenges to share joys and excitement with customers and communities around the world to strive to become a company society wants to exist.
The Passion behind the White Coveralls At Honda Atlas Cars (Pakistan) Limited, associates wear white work clothes that stain and smudge easily, from the philosophy that “good products come from clean workplaces.” The white outfit also symbolizes the equality of all that work at Honda, including the CEO. White symbolizes Honda’s philosophy for making products wholeheartedly.
Respect for the Individual
Initiative means not to be bound by preconceived ideas, but to think creatively and act on your own initiative and judgment, while understanding that you must take responsibility for the results of those actions.
Equality means to recognize and respect individual differences in one another and treat each other fairly. Our company is committed to this principle and to creating equal opportunities for each individual. An individual's race, gender, age, religion, national origin, educational background, social or economic status has no bearing on the individual's opportunities.
The relationship among associates at Honda should be based on mutual trust. Trust is created by recognizing each other as individuals, helping out where others are deficient, accepting help where we are deficient, sharing our knowledge, and making a sincere effort to fulfill our responsibilities.
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The Joy of Buying
The joy of buying is achieved through providing products and services that exceed the needs and expectations of each customer.
The Joy of Selling
The joy of selling occurs when those who are engaged in selling and servicing Honda products develop relationships with a customer based on mutual trust. Through this relationship, Honda associates, dealers and distributors experience pride and joy in satisfying the customer and in representing Honda to the customer.
The Joy of Creating
The joy of creating occurs when Honda associates and suppliers involved in the design, development, engineering and manufacturing of Honda products recognize a sense of joy in our customers and dealers. The joy of creating occurs when quality products exceed expectations and we experience pride in a job well done.
Proceed always with ambition and youthfulness.
Respect sound theory, develop fresh ideas, and make the most effective use of time.
Enjoy your work and encourage open communications.
Strive constantly for a harmonious flow of work.
Be ever mindful of the value of research and endeavor.
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Graduate Stories – Alistair Pritchard
Blog post by 2014 Alumnus Alistair Pritchard.
Once I left University I went straight out on tour with Darlia & Dolomite Minor as Stage Manage/Guitar Tech. During that time the management company was able to put me out with Noel Gallagher on a couple of shows shadowing their techs who got me involved on a few roles during the shows.
Dolomite Minor then went on tour with support shows to Eagles Of Death Metal, the Tour Manager asked if I wanted to join the crew as Drum Tech, I ended up doing some bass as well and went from there. We were out for 2 months across Europe, it’s been my favourite tour to date. Looking after Josh Homme for the shows was a great experience and the money wasn’t bad either! They didn’t ask me to return to the crew for the US run stating that it was cheaper to replace the previous Production Manager with a US based member which is understandable. It’s becoming much harder than ever before for UK roadies to work in the US.
In-between tours I’ve been working for a construction firm as a labourer whilst doing training for a site foreman job role in domestic housing. I turned down a full-time position though as I love touring and working on the road. The day after I returned from the EODM tour I was offered a job with Kiko Bun (BBC Radio 1xtra artist) and have been busy working for a few other artists (Lapsley, Rat Boy, Rejjie Snow, Andy Gangadeen of Chase & Status, Nothing But Thieves).
Early in 2016 I went back to Rock n Roll with Highly Suspect on a UK arena tour which was fun. Shortly after I had my first dry spell of the industry where label (XL Recordings) cut the budget of a tech on Lapsley’s US run even after my visa was approved, frustratingly.
The Summer is looking busy as I’m out covering for a friend who works for UB40 and he’s asked if I can do Fun Lovin Criminals which is going to be awesome. Kiko Bun is also picking back up thankfully. I was put forward for Busted as Guitar Tech but unfortunately did not get the gig (My older/wiser friend got one of the positions!).
I’ve also started a band of my own, we’re a Dark Rock, Gothic influenced act going by the name of The Devil In Faust. My old Audio Production mucker Ben Perrett plays bass and a childhood friend of mine is on drums. We just completed a short UK run of shows and flew to Denmark in May to record our next EP. We’re still independent and are just enjoying making art at this moment in time. I’d love to tour more with the band but funding is an issue right now.
Published on:June 3, 2016 Category: 2014, Alumni, bands, careers, featured posts, Music Industry, Rock, Students No Comments on Graduate Stories – Alistair Pritchard
Guest Lecture – Danny Roberts 2! – A&R Decca Records
Blog post by L2 Audio Production student James Woodliffe.
This week Danny Roberts gave a talk to myself and my course peers about his career, day to day roles and the music industry from the perspective of a record label.
Danny is an A&R representative for Decca Records who are a subsidiary of Universal records. He discussed about the two types of A&R, artists past and present, the impact of major labels and his connection with them. It was interesting to hear Danny talk openly about his day to day runnings with the label he works for and his colleagues. It was also interesting to hear his opinion of major/indie record labels from an inside point of view and it was refreshing to hear a talk from an A&R representative who clearly has a love for music. I felt that Danny really understood his business and although money is a crucial factor it isn’t the be all and end all of his job.
Personally, I found his talk very interesting and it confirmed some of my thoughts about the music industry previously to the lecture. It also taught me new concepts and ideas that are currently present within the industry, such as how he sees potential within an artist and what stages he goes through before signing them. Overall it was very enjoyable.
Danny’s recent signing Aurora has just been selected as the artist for the John Lewis TV ad campaign 2015
Published on:October 29, 2015 Category: bands, careers, featured posts, Guest lecture, Music, Music Industry No Comments on Guest Lecture – Danny Roberts 2! – A&R Decca Records
Guest Lecture – John Williams – Record Producer
As well as highly successful careers in A&R and songwriting John Williams has produced records by The Housemartins, The Proclaimers, Petula Clark and Michael Nyman and Radio 1 sessions by The Cure and Killing Joke to name but a few. This week he came to Lincoln and talked to our Audio Production students about his latest production; Paul Heaton and Jacqui Abbott’s What Have We Become album.
John’s fascinating and insightful talk took us through the entire process of making the record – from budgets, to arranging rehearsals, to booking the studio, to tracking and overdubs, through to the mixing and mastering stage. Full of excellent advice and suggestions, John demystified the whole process, stressing the importance of keeping things simple and always focussing on the song and the performance. Rehearsal time is absolutely key to this along with not getting too caught up in the technology of recording and unnecessary audio processing.
For our budding record producers, this was a hugely valuable lecture which gave some great insights, not only into the technical and organisational aspects of recording an album but also highlighted the people skills needed to manage groups of musicians and performers whose (often fragile) egos of can at times be a bit of a handful!
Listen to John speaking about the role of A&R on Simon Mayo’s Radio 2 programme here (20/01/15):
https://audioproduction.blogs.lincoln.ac.uk/files/2014/11/John-Williams-AR.mp3
Published on:November 18, 2014 Category: bands, careers, featured posts, Guest lecture, Music, Music Industry, Recording No Comments on Guest Lecture – John Williams – Record Producer
Cutting X-Factor – on AVID with multiple soundtracks
VT Editors, often have to wrestle with a huge amount of sound information. Especially on shows that have discreet microphones all over the place – such as the X Factor.
Editor Janci Kovic recently did this screengrab of his final timeline for a Bootcamp Episode of X Factor. This was bootcamp the episode after auditions.
Having the ability to cut off words, change the order of what judges are saying and soloing the backstage reactions at the same time was very helpful to get the story done.
Audio was recorded and captured on STEINBERG’S Nuendo Live
THE AUDIO TRACKS SHOWN INCLUDE:
Jury 4ch’s, crowd 2ch’s, singers port, mic and his instrument 3ch’s, band 12ch’s, backstage with moderator 3ch’s, stage mix 2ch’s, music 6ch’s, sfx 4ch’s, vo and other ports.
THE VIDEO was recorded on QUADRUS
Published on:November 8, 2014 Category: Audio Post Production, bands, featured posts, Industry, location sound, POP, sound editing for visual media, TV No Comments on Cutting X-Factor – on AVID with multiple soundtracks
Steve Bernard – 2013 Alumnus
I’m Steve Bernard, a BA (Hons) Audio Production alumnus from the Class of ’13. Since I graduated, I’ve been employed at Cooz’s Recording Studio, in Oxford. My relationship with the studio actually began almost three years ago, after my first summer at the University of Lincoln, when I did a week long work experience there to enhance my CV. This led to an internship which I maintained around my degree, and I was offered a job at the studio after I finished my third year.
Working at the studio has been a great experience and I’ve recently found the most success as a Hip Hop producer – we were fortunate to have a break with a South African rapper called Rowan Groom, and his contacts and reputation in the emerging local Hip Hop scene has meant that business in this genre has skyrocketed. In the last 6 months, I’ve worked with a wide array of talent, producing mixtapes and EPs local rappers and singers such as Apt Ochiela, Carby, Manny O, Ellie Robbins and Rifle.
Getting business for my work relies heavily on word of mouth and networking. Whilst I have had success in building my reputation in the Hip Hop genre, Oxford’s music scene is much better known for the rock outfits it has produced over the years – most notably bands like Radiohead and Supergrass, and more recently Foals and Stornoway – who all had humble beginnings in the live music circuit around the city. Because of this, I started an initiative at the studio called Cooz’s Live, which offers bands the opportunity to have their live shows around the city recorded with our mobile rig. We’ve built up strong working relationships with a number of venues and promoters in the city, and eventually led to us working at the o2 Academy, recording touring bands such as My Life Story and Stiff Little Fingers.
Working at the studio has placed me right at the heart of the Oxford music scene, and allowed me to network closely with a number of bands and artists. On top of working on their recent recordings, I am now the live sound engineer for two up and coming Oxford bands, One Wing Left and Fracture, and I’ve started putting on my own gigs to support the continued success of local artists. I’ve also given workshops and lectures on music production at Oxford Cherwell Valley College.
Outside of music, I continue to work in sound for other media; I mixed the sound for two documentaries recently, one of which was picked up by the BBC. The Lincoln School of Media prepared me exceptionally well for life after university. As a student, you get a broad range of in depth training in a variety of media, from experts who have been out and done it themselves, on industry standard equipment. Studying there was such a rewarding experience, but it’s only the beginning and I’m very excited by what I’ve been able to do since then!
Picture – Steve with the director Kevin Cousineau mixing the Bad Company documentary.
Published on:August 18, 2014 Category: 2013, Alumni, bands, featured posts, Hip Hop, Music, Recording, Students, Studios No Comments on Steve Bernard – 2013 Alumnus
Producing The C-FaB Album
Blog post by level 1 AP student Rory Hunter.
Recently, myself and a team of Audio Production students at the University of Lincoln, recorded some tracks for the upcoming C-FaB Festival’s compilation album. As the music is country, folk and blues, the brief for the album was for it to sound as live as possible.
My first idea of capturing a ‘live sound’ in the studio was getting the artist/band to come in and rather than record the separate parts of the song, record a full complete performance of the song. This method brought a variety of advantages to recording along with some pitfalls to carefully think about.
The main advantage that came from this method of recording was how natural the recordings sounded. They flowed better, had more feeling in them and felt more of a real representation of the artist and their music. Performance are rarely perfect, it was the small imperfections in these performances that made it work.
The recordings came out well due to how comfortable the artists felt when performing. A studio environment can be quite alienating to some musicians, especially when they are more used to playing live. So when asked to just perform a song as they would at a gig, it felt a lot more familiar and comfortable for them. This is certainly beneficial for bands as they are more used to performing with each other rather than separately.
Inevitably the pitfalls we had to be aware of were technical ones. The first thing was microphone placement. Although this is important in all studio situations, there were more things to consider than usual. Avoiding spill between microphones was something we were always checking and thinking about. We knew it would be impossible to completely eliminate this from happening but we tried our best to reduce it. This was obviously easier to do with the solo artists, (although the acoustic guitars had a tendency to pop up on the vocal mic). However, with bands, we had to think about where each instrument would be in the live room and how we could isolate it. We used methods such as foam boards and grouping certain instruments together and giving them their own place in the room.
Our main incentive for making sure we did a good job on microphone placement was to make the tracks easier to mix. It was in the mixing stage we would truly find out how good a job we had done with our microphone placement. For example, there was one track that needed the vocal level increasing and the acoustic guitar level decreasing. However, due to the acoustic guitar spilling in to the vocal mic, a relatively simple task became more complex and required some clever mixing.
Sticking to our brief of recreating a ‘live sound’, we avoided as much we could in altering the sound with any plug-ins as such. It felt more like polishing a performance rather than mixing individual performances in to one track. However, panning was hugely important to the mixing of the tracks. Particularly with the tracks with more parts, it was key to making the tracks feel fuller and richer and give each instrument its own place in the mix.
Overall, I feel that going for a ‘live sound’ was extremely beneficial to the album. It really suits the genre of music and represents the festival well – an event that is all about live music. Although it wouldn’t be suited to every genre of music, I would definitely experiment with this recording style again as I feel it has a lot of potential benefits.
C-Fab album tracks recorded and mixed by Rory Hunter, Vashti Hayes, Anthony Belcher, Matt Jones, Adrian Rayworth, Jack Martin and Gaz Bailey.
Published on:May 23, 2014 Category: bands, featured posts, Music, Recording, Students No Comments on Producing The C-FaB Album
I’ve Played In Every Toilet
John Harris visits some of Britain’s surviving small music venues and asks what will happen if they disappear altogether.
All over the UK, small music venues are threatened with closure, or have already gone out of business. Many of them have hosted gigs by truly legendary names and were once securely built into the so-called ‘toilet circuit’, which allowed promising musicians to take their first tentative steps on the national stage. Without them, we may not have heard from Coldplay, Oasis, Blur – or such contemporary talents as The Vaccines and Mumford and Sons. But crushed by powerful landlords and the rising expectation that music – whether live or recorded – should be free, these places are struggling as never before.
John’s journey takes in The Forum in Tunbridge Wells, once an actual public toilet, which has survived over the last twenty years because the volunteers that run it haven’t profited from the business. He also travels to Hull to visit the Adelphi Club, a semi-detached house on one of the city’s residential streets which has hosted bands such as Pulp, Green Day and Radiohead. Manager Paul Jackson says things have been tougher than ever for the venue, but he’s determined to carry on.
Finally John visits Newport, once home to the legendary TJ’s where Kurt Cobain famously proposed to Courtney Love. Speaking to the daughter of the former owner John Sicolo and Nicky Wire from Manic Street Preachers, he finds out what happens when a town loses its beloved venue.
He also speaks to DJ Steve Lamacq and journalist Kate Mossman to consider how – without these venues run on a mix of hope and blind faith – we will discover the next generation of musicians.
Producer: Simon Jacobs
A Unique production for BBC Radio 4.
https://audioproduction.blogs.lincoln.ac.uk/files/2014/02/Ive-played-in-every-toilet.mp3
Published on:February 14, 2014 Category: bands, featured posts, Radio 4 No Comments on I’ve Played In Every Toilet
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Published on:February 8, 2013 Category: bands, careers, Composition, electronic music, Industry, POP, Pro Tools, Students, Uncategorized 1 Comment on win an online mixing session at Abbey Road
Losing My Minor Key – REM remixed
I came across this today (apologies to Dave McSherry who currently has this song as an ‘earworm’ in his head), but I was amazed at the psychological difference turning this song into a major key makes.
Recently produced by Major Scaled – a version of REM’s ‘Losing my religion’, remixed in Major Scale
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This artists work is being removed by major labels so you may not get to hear this for long….
this is from the vimeo post – http://vimeo.com/57685359
“Someone has gone to the trouble (I don’t know how but would suspect using Melodyne DNA or somesuch) of processing REM’s minor-scale downer hit ‘Losing My Religion’ so that all the minor notes are now major. When I followed the link I thought it’d be a cover, but no, it’s the original, processed. It’s uncanny – the song is just as familiar as always but the impact is utterly different. Kind of like finding a colour print of a film you’d only known in black and white, or seeing Garfield minus Garfield for the first time. I like it.”
Major Scaled #2 : REM – “Recovering My Religion” from major scaled on Vimeo.
you can read more here
Published on:January 22, 2013 Category: bands, Composition, electronic music, Experimental, Industry, POP, Uncategorized 1 Comment on Losing My Minor Key – REM remixed
LONDON 2012 – how ELBOW created the Olympics Theme
This is a great insight into how Elbow went about probably their most challenging brief.
“Go into a studio and come up with a global Olympic theme”. It starts with a brass fanfare where the first five notes relate to the five Olympic Rings. It’s a call to attention. The choir was introduced to make it more ‘everyman’. It will become another familiar BBC sporting theme which will be remembered by a generation. Though as Elbow’s Guy Garvey admits, “It’s never going to be as good as ‘Ski Sunday’ theme is it?
Mercury Prize-winning group Elbow have spoken about how they created their anthem for the BBC’s Olympics coverage.
Entitled First Steps, the new piece was recorded with the BBC Philharmonic Orchestra and the NovaVox gospel choir.
watch the
Behind the scenes film here
First Steps is accompanied by an animation produced at Passion Pictures, showing the landscape of the United Kingdom transformed into a giant sporting arena inside the Olympic Stadium.
Guy Garvey and therest of the band spoke to the BBC about their inspiration for the music and the recording process, and the video’s designer explained how he created the look of the graphics.
The track will be available as a digital download only.
The trailer has been devised around the concept of “Stadium UK” and cleverly uses animation to transform the United Kingdom into a sporting hub where athletes prepare and compete in the Olympic Games. Exchanging swimming pools for the English Channel, running tacks for the streets of Britain and gymnastic apparatus for famous London landmarks.
Published on:July 27, 2012 Category: 2012, bands, branding, culture, Industry, orchestral recording No Comments on LONDON 2012 – how ELBOW created the Olympics Theme
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Dispute over Christmas display has one couple feeling 'Scrooged'
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Published Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:14PM EST Last Updated Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:24PM EST
LAGOON CITY, ONT. -- The spirit of Christmas isn't so alive and well at a condo property in Lagoon City, where one couple has been told to remove their decorations immediately.
Diane Beaumont said the large inflatable decorations should be allowed to stay on her property, regardless of what the condo management company says.
"It's a temporary Christmas display," Beaumont said. "It's only up for 30 days."
Beaumont and Ken Marshall said they have been putting up Christmas displays for the past four years.
The couple admitted previous year's decorations were smaller and in a different location on the property. Still, they feel they're getting Scrooged.
"I'm very annoyed," said Marshall.
The management company of the condo building, MCRS, sent an email to the couple stating that the issue is with the inflatables, which could "become dislodged, thereby posing certain risks to others on the property in a windstorm."
The topic has become the talk of the small town. Even the mayor has something to say about it.
"It's Christmas. This is a very unusual year. The snowbirds are here. People's tensions are high. They've been coupled up in their homes. They can't celebrate Christmas the way they want. But we've got to have a little Christmas spirit," said Mayor Mario Clarke.
Marshall and Beaumont have been given until 8 p.m. Wednesday to take down their decorations. If they don't, the email from MCRS said the couple would be responsible for covering the costs of having the display removed.
Ken Marshall and Diane Beaumont stand in front of their Santa display in Lagoon City, Ont., on Wed., Dec. 2, 2020 (Rob Cooper/CTV News)
Christmas inflatables on the property of a condo in Lagoon City, Ont., are the subject of a dispute. Wed., Dec. 2, 2020 (Rob Cooper/CTV News)
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Pakistanis against Terrorism: Global Vigil, March 2015
NOTE: This is the first blog post I’ve done since Feb 21, 2015. That day a beloved, courageous and wise childhood friend lost her fight to cancer. I dedicate this post to Poppy, Shayan Afzal Khan, always so incredibly supportive, bold and outspoken for the liberal, progressive, secular Pakistan she believed in. She was there at the first Global Vigil in London in January. “A defiant figure in bright red lipstick and a yellow bobble hat, she yelled anti-Taliban slogans,” as Moni Mohsin wrote. Miss you and love you forever. We will keep the torch alive and see your dream come true, Inshallah.
Since the barbaric massacre of school children and teachers in Peshawar on 16 December, 2014, Pakistanis in the country and abroad have been converging for monthly global protest vigil around the 16th of every month. The third Global Vigil is taking place in several cities on Sunday 15th and on Monday 16th March in the following cities we know of so far:
Houston: Sunday 15th March – 2.30pm – Mezban restaurant and Caterers
Detroit: Sunday 15th March – 4pm – Heritage Park
Boston: Sunday 15th March – 4pm – Harvard Square
London: Sunday 15th March – 3pm– Pakistan High Commission
Washington DC: Sunday 15th March – 6pm – Dupont Circle
Jhelum: Monday 16th March – 6pm- Major Akram Shaheed Park
Karachi – Monday 16th March – 6pm – Gurumandir, in front of Blue Ribbon Bakery
Lahore: Monday 16th March – 4pm – Charing Cross Mall Road; also 5.30 pm at Liberty Roundabout
Abbottabad: Monday 16th March – 4pm – Press Club
Islamabad: Monday 16th March – 5pm – Press Club
Also see this Statement of Pakistanis against terrorism: Minimum common agenda against violence in the name of religion, that I and others have signed including activists, teachers, lawyers and other professionals as well as students. Prominent signatories so far include: Asma Jahangir, Anis Haroon, Mohammad Jibran Nasir, Mohsin Sayeed, Nazeeha Syed Ali, Raza Rumi, Shaan Taseer, Zakia Sarwar, Zahid Ebrahim to name a few.
On March 13, civil society representatives in Lahore held a press conference. After the attack at Peshawar APS, they said, the establishment was finally forced to sit with the politicians “and at least appear as if it was committed to resolving the terrorism riddle”. This was followed by a list of “fancy broad-brush promises of doing what was needed. At the twilight of 2014, this list of promises was issued as the National Action Plan (NAP) to counter terrorism. A constitutional amendment was hurriedly passed in the Parliament to give way to the Army to lead the process of justice with Military Courts.”
Civil society will hold a vigil on the 16th of every month in protest against the attack. While committed to stand with the state at this important juncture, there is also concern over the National Counter Terrorism Authority (NACTA) reportedly having diluted the National Action Plan (NAP) by deleting three important points from the original 20-point NAP:
1. Constitute action against proscribed organizations;
2. Regulation and Registration of Madrassas;
3. Repatriation of Afghan refugees.
Civil society organization representatives, human rights activists and representatives of several public interest organizations strongly condemned the unilateral and undemocratic dilution and undermining of NAP. In the absence of any action against the deadly terrorist organizations already proscribed by the government and without registration of madrassas, any pretense of countering terrorism would be a mere cosmetic.
The government has not moved forward on registration and regularization of religious seminaries even after losing an estimated 50,000 innocent lives of its people, says the press statement. Civil society demands the formulation of a systematic roadmap to carry out a scrutiny of all madrassas regarding their engagement with militant activities, sources of funding, background of the teachers and syllabi.
“Moreover, if Madrassas are, as claimed by religious forces, contributing to filling the education void for the downtrodden segments of society that does not afford or have any access to modern education, all these madrassas should come under the Ministry of Education rather than that of Auqaf.
“Civil society raised concerns on the way ‘hate speech’ was being interpreted by the government by apprehending random people for using loudspeakers, while those openly spewing venom against the Shia and the Ahmadi citizens. We demand strict action against this open and public hate speech.
“Civil society called for activation and affectivity of NACTA as well as urgent reforms to improve criminal justice system. Civil society also demand a Judicial Commission to investigate the negligence and security lapse that resulted in the tragedy of Army Public School in Peshawar last year.”
Pakistan has been in a state of war for decades, says the statement. However, “high authorities and champions of multiple committees that are established to ensure security and safeguard its people are merely talking about war on terror”.
Civil Society representatives said they would continue to monitor the state’s implementation of NAP and will give it a score card every month. “On a scale of 1 to 10, the state of Pakistan gets the score of 1 (least) for this month based on its dismal performance on every point under NAP and for removing three most important points from it.”
Participants included Irfan Mufti, Shabnam Rashid, Naeema Malik, Taimur Rehman, Suleman Abid, Farooq Tariq, Sajjad Anwar Mansoori and Shazia Shaheen. They concluded with the announcement that they will gather again at 4 p.m. on March 16, at Charing Cross, The Mall.
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Saint Euphemia was from Chalcedon and lived in virginity. According to some, she suffered martyrdom during the reign of Diocletian, in 303; according to others, in 307. Her sacred relics are preserved in the Patriarchate in Constantinople
In 451, during the reign of the Sovereigns Marcian and Pulcheria, the Fourth Ecumenical Council was convoked in Chalcedon against Eutyches and those of like mind with him. After much debate, the Fathers who were the defenders of Orthodoxy, being 630 in number, agreed among themselves and with those who were of contrary mind, to write their respective definitions of faith in separate books, and to ask God to confirm the truth in this matter. When they had prepared these texts, they placed the two tomes in the case that held Saint Euphemias relics, sealed it, and departed. After three days of night-long supplications, they opened the reliquary in the presence of the Emperor, and found the tome of the heretics under the feet of the Martyr, and that of the Orthodox in her right hand.
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Blue boats are reef robbers – the new maritime threat for the Asia Pacific?
by DiveSSI 12th December 2019
Giant Clam (Hippopus hippopus_Vanuatu) (c) Frederic Ducarme
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Illegal fishing: Vietnamese Blue Boats
Illegal fishing on a large scale by Vietnamese wooden boats
A flotilla of Vietnamese fishing boats with crews working in harsh conditions “loot” the Pacific coral reefs. What are they looking for: Seafood. Poaching is increasingly becoming a problem.
Dr. Andrew Song of the ARC Center for Coral Reef Studies at James Cook University has now highlighted the problem of the Vietnamese "Blue Boat" fleet: small, often blue-painted fishing vessels that travel thousands of miles for their illegal fishing in Pacific waters. Dr. Song explains that the reasons are both economic and geopolitical, as increased Chinese presence / interference has displaced Vietnamese fishermen from their traditional fishing grounds in the South China Sea.
"The boats are between 10-15 meters long and can accommodate up to 17. The crews are said to have no employment contract and no insurance and are often exposed to accidents or incidents, travelling more than 7,000 km around the Pacific and staying up to three months at sea," said Dr. Song.
Illegal fishing targets primarily high-quality species of sea cucumber and giant clams found on many coral reefs. Dr. Song estimates the cost of each boat at around 15,000-35,000 AU$, while processed tropical sea cucumbers in Hong Kong and China can be sold at 150-300 AU$ per kilogram. He explains that there is a suspicion that the blue boats on the open sea meet large "mother ships" to dump their catch and raise supplies.
"Collecting sea cucumbers in foreign waters is apparently easier and less dangerous as sea cucumbers are still found in six to seven meters deep water whereas in the waters off Vietnam, people have to dive 60 to 80 meters to find sea cucumbers." said Dr. Song. "Poaching is threatening the livelihoods of coastal communities and is a major source of national export revenue in the Pacific." Sea cucumber fishing is considered the second most valuable export fishery for the Pacific island states," he adds.
The Pacific Island States are limited in their ability to provide resources for patrolling such a vast area, and the relatively small wooden boats are hard to find, even with the help of radar.
"In Australian waters, the number of arrested foreign vessels fishing illegally has risen from six in 2014 to 20 in 2016, with most coming from Vietnam and Indonesia.” said Song.
According to Dr. Song, Poachers should be seen as a new kind of security threat that compromises the food security of Pacific island nations and their economies. Dr. Song calls for networked activities by the countries concerned to take action against the “Blue Boats”.
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Minimum common grounds for all sotapanna and all arahant
I'd like to know what will all sotapanna have in common with each other. And the same for arahants (both for separate, please, not comparing a sotapanna with an arahant).
What are the common grounds in terms of what has been uprooted? What do they share in terms of understanding, ideas and views (independently if they are not attached to those views)?
I ask this, because I've noticed that there are lots of differences between all the ideas about what should a sotapanna/arahant know, be, feel and think, for example. And, according to the level of confidence/attachment/understanding of those asked about what a sotapanna is, they will be more on the defensive, disparaging any other idea conflicting with theirs, stating that a sotapanna/arahant is only what they think it is, with more or less grounding on suttas.
For an outsider, it may almost seem like a discussion based on "No true scotsman" fallacies.
EDIT: Thanks for the answer given so far! I wanted to add another point.
Now that OyaMist has written about interpretations on those common grounds, I realize that that might be exactly the main source of problems. Since we're using texts written in a language not used as vernicular in current societies; since most concepts can be interpreted in multiple ways; and since there are a lot of discussion (with more or less logical arguments or irrefutable evidence) about the "authenticy" of some texts or discourses, most conclusions seem to fall into what feels the most coherent to the particular follower, or into what seems to produce the best results.
For example, some say one cannot reach stream-entry without attaining 1st jhana. But I think this criterion becomes problematic, to say the least, when the problem of interpretation and definition occurs in the exact same way when talking about what jhana is or is not.
If that's the case, how to differenciate between the most relevant/fundamental and secundary/optional interpretation for those common grounds?
EDIT 2: Just for the sake of context, and to give some (possibly) hints to a potential answer, maybe we can rephrase the question about the minimum common grounds for all sotapanna as: What is the minimum knowledge that Right View HAS to contain in order to really be Right View?
I'd appreciate any help on this issue. Thanks in advance!
Kind regards!
arahant sotapanna
Brian Díaz Flores
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I've added a clarification corresponding to your EDIT. Basically, teachers and students may have different faculties. As the best teacher, the Buddha had all faculties. But for the rest of us, disputes can arise out of confusion between those on the path who don't have similar faculties. – OyaMist Apr 14 '20 at 14:56
Question 2 is already asked here: buddhism.stackexchange.com/questions/38573/… – user11699 Apr 14 '20 at 15:52
There is the idea of the ten fetters (samyojana), and how each of the four stages towards enlightenment is a progressive liberation from these fetters (or uprooting as you put it). They provide a framework of how we can label the stages of progress:
"Bhikkhus, there are these ten fetters. What ten? The five lower fetters and the five higher fetters. And what are the five lower fetters? Personal-existence view, doubt, wrong grasp of behavior and observances, sensual desire, and ill will. These are the five lower fetters. And what are the five higher fetters? Lust for form, lust for the formless, conceit, restlessness, and ignorance. These are the five higher fetters. These, bhikkhus, are the ten fetters".
https://suttacentral.net/an10.13/en/bodhi
Nanamoli, B. & Bodhi, B. (1995) gives a detailed description of each of these stages and how they relate to the abandoning of the ten fetters (It's a bit heavy to recap several pages of text on a Q&A site, but here's the source):
The Middle Length Discourses of the Buddha A New Translation of the Majjhima Nikaya. Buddhist Publication Society, 41-43. Retrieved from http://lirs.ru/lib/sutra/The_Middle_Length_Discourses(Majjhima_Nikaya),Nanamoli,Bodhi,1995.pdf
I write "theory" and "label", since an individuals path and practice may not necessarily correspond identically to dhamma, and the latter should not be used as a procrustean bed. Buddha used a raft simile for making this point:
"This raft has been very helpful to me, since supported by it and making an effort with my hands and feet, I got safely across to the far shore. Suppose I were to haul it onto the dry land or set it adrift in the water, and then go wherever I want.’ Now, bhikkhus, it is by so doing that that man would be doing what should be done with that raft. So I have shown you how the Dhamma is similar to a raft, being for the purpose of crossing over, not for the purpose of grasping.
Bhikkhus, when you know the Dhamma to be similar to a raft, you should abandon even the teachings, how much more so things contrary to the teachings".
https://suttacentral.net/mn22/en/bodhi
Minimum common grounds for all sotapanna and all arahant.
The "minimum common grounds" both literally and symbolically is the fulfillment of virtues:
“These nine persons, Sāriputta, passing away with a residue remaining, are freed from hell, the animal realm, and the sphere of afflicted spirits; freed from the plane of misery, the bad destination, the lower world. What nine?
(1) “Here, Sāriputta, some person fulfills virtuous behavior but cultivates concentration and wisdom only to a moderate extent..1857 With the ending of three fetters, they have at most seven rebirths. They will transmigrate at most seven times among gods and humans and then make an end of suffering.
(2) "Again, some person fulfills virtuous behavior...
(9) "Again, some person fulfills virtuous behavior... ~~ AN 9.12 ~~
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For stream-enterer we have:
AN6.34:4.4: But those who have experiential confidence in the Buddha, the teaching, and the Saṅgha, and have the ethics loved by the noble ones, do know that they are stream-enterers.”
For arahant we have release from ten fetters:
AN10.13:1.1: “Mendicants, there are ten fetters. What ten? The five lower fetters and the five higher fetters.
AN10.13:1.4: What are the five lower fetters? Identity view, doubt, misapprehension of precepts and observances, sensual desire, and ill will. These are the five lower fetters.
AN10.13:2.1: What are the five higher fetters? Desire for rebirth in the realm of luminous form, desire for rebirth in the formless realm, conceit, restlessness, and ignorance.
The interpretation may differ, but the above definitions are common ground.
A key point of potential dispute is the validation of "experiential confidence." Historical, this was even an issue in the Buddha's time:
AN3.21:2.3: The personal witness, the one attained to view, and the one freed by faith. These are the three people found in the world. Of these three people, who do you believe to be the finest?”
For those who experienced confidence in the Triple Gem via first jhana, they would be a personal witness.
AN3.21:5.7: Because this person’s faculty of immersion is outstanding.”
For those who experienced confidence in the Triple Gem via deep study of the Dhamma, they would be attained to view.
AN3.21:7.7: Because this person’s faculty of wisdom is outstanding.”
For those who experienced confidence in the Triple Gem via faith, they would be attained by faith.
AN3.21:3.7: Because this person’s faculty of faith is outstanding.”
Yet the Buddha answered quite simply and inclusively:
AN3.21:12.1: In this matter, it’s not easy to definitively declare that one of these three people is finest.”
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Thank you so much for that addendum! It is quite enlightening! Kind regards, dear OyaMist. – Brian Díaz Flores Apr 14 '20 at 15:00
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The Works of the Right Honourable Edmund Burke, Volume 1
By Edmund Burke
beauty. If the fitness of parts was what constituted the loveliness of their form, the actual employment of them would undoubtedly much augment it; but this, though it is sometimes so upon another principle, is far from being always the case. A bird on the wing is not so beautiful as when it is perched; nay, there are several of the domestic fowls which are seldom seen to fly, and which are nothing the less beautiful on that account; yet birds are so extremely different in their form from the beast and human kinds, that you cannot, on the principle of fitness, allow them anything agreeable, but in consideration of their parts being designed for quite other purposes. I never in my life chanced to see a peacock fly; and yet before, very long before, I considered any aptitude in his form for the aërial life, I was struck with the extreme beauty which raises that bird above many of the best flying fowls in the world; though, for anything I saw, his way of living was much like that of the swine, which fed in the farm-yard along with him. The same may be said of cocks, hens, and the like; they are of the flying kind in figure; in their manner of moving not very different from men and beasts. To leave these foreign examples ; if beauty in our own species was annexed to use, men would be much more lovely than women; and strength and agility would be considered as the only beauties. But to call strength by the name of beauty, to have but one denomination for the qualities of a Venus and Hercules, so totally different in almost all respects, is surely a strange confusion of ideas, or abuse of words. The cause of this confusion, I imagine, proceeds from our frequently perceiving the parts of the human and other animal bodies to be at once very beautiful, and very well adapted to their purposes; and we
are deceived by a sophism, which makes us take that for a ! cause which is only a concomitant: this is the sophism of
the fly, who imagined he raised a great dust, because he stood upon the chariot that really raised it. The stomach, the lungs, the liver, as well as other parts, are incomparably well adapted to their purposes; yet they are far from having any beauty. Again, many things are very beautiful, in which it is impossible to discern any idea of use. And I appeal to the first and most natural feelings of mankind, whether, on beholding a beautiful eye, or a well-fashioned mouth, or a well-turned leg, any ideas of their being well fitted for seeing, eating, or running, ever present themselves. What idea of use is it that flowers excite, the most beautiful part of the vegetable world ? It is true, that the infinitely wise and good Creator has, of his bounty, frequently joined beauty to those things which he has made useful to us : but this does not prove that an idea of use and beauty are the same thing, or that they are any way dependent on each other.
SECT. VII.—THE REAL EFFECTS OF FITNESS. WHEN I excluded proportion and fitness from any share in beauty, I did not by any means intend to say that they were of no value, or that they ought to be disregarded in works of art. Works of art are the proper sphere of their power; and here it is that they have their full effect. Whenever the wisdom of our Creator intended that we should be affected with anything, he did not confide the execution of his design to the languid and precarious operation of our reason; but he endued it with powers and properties that prevent the understanding, and even the will; which, seizing upon the senses and imagination, captivate the soul before the understanding is ready either to join with them, or to oppose them. It is by a long deduction, and much study, that we discover the adorable wisdom of God in his works : when we discover it, the effect is very different, not only in the manner of acquiring it, but in its own nature, from that which strikes us without any preparation from the sublime or the beautiful. How different is the satisfaction of an anatomist, who discovers the use of the muscles and of the skin, the excellent contrivance of the one for the various movements of the body, and the wonderful texture of the other, at once a general covering, and at once a general outlet as well as inlet; how different is this from the affection which possesses an ordinary man at the sight of a delicate, smooth skin, and all the other parts of beauty, which require no investigation to be perceived ! In the former case, whilst we look up to the Maker with admiration and praise, the object which causes it may be odious and distasteful; the latter very often so touches us by its power on the imagination, that we examine but little into the artifice of its contrivance; and we have need of a strong effort of our reason to disentangle our minds from the allurements of the object, to a consideration of that wisdom which invented so powerful a machine. The effect of proportion and fitness, at least so far as they proceed from a mere consideration of the work itself, produces approbation, the acquiescence of the understanding, but not love, nor any passion of that species. When we examine the structure of a watch, when we come to know thoroughly the use of every part of it, satisfied as we are with the fitness of the whole, we are far enough from perceiving anything like beauty in the watch-work itself; but let us look on the case, the labour of some curious artist in engraving, with little or no idea of use, we shall have a much livelier idea of beauty than we ever could have had from the watch itself, though the master-piece of Graham. In beauty, as I said, the effect is previous to any knowledge of the use; but to judge of proportion, we must know the end for which any work is designed. According to the end, the proportion varies. Thus there is one proportion of a tower, another of a house; one proportion of a gallery, another of a hall, another of a chamber. To judge of the proportions of these, you must be first acquainted with the purposes for which they were designed. Good sense and experience, acting together, find out what is fit to be done in every work of art. We are rational creatures, and in all our works we ought to regard their end and purpose; the gratification of any passion, how innocent soever, ought only to be of a secondary consideration. Herein is placed the real power of fitness and proportion; they operate on the understanding considering them, which approves the work and acquiesces in it. The passions, and the imagination which principally raises them, have here very little to do. When a room appears in its original nakedness, bare walls and a plain ceiling ; let its proportion be ever so excellent, it pleases very little; a cold approbation is the ut. most we can reach; a much worse proportioned room with elegant mouldings and fine festoons, glasses, and other merely ornamental furniture, will make the imagination revolt against the reason; it will please much more than the naked proportion of the first room, which the understanding has so much approved as admirably fitted for its purposes. What I have here said and before concerning proportion, is by no means to persuade people absurdly to neglect the idea of use in the works of art. It is only to show that these excellent things, beauty and proportion, are not the same; not that they should either of them be disregarded.
SECT. VIII.-THE RECAPITULATION.
On the whole ; if such parts in human bodies as are found proportioned, were likewise constantly found beautiful, as they certainly are not; or if they were so situated, as that a pleasure might flow from the comparison, which they seldom are; or if any assignable proportions were found, either in plants or animals, which were always attended with beauty, which never was the case ; or if, where parts were well adapted to their purposes, they were constantly beautiful, and when no use appeared, there was no beauty, which is contrary to all experience; we might conclude, that beauty consisted in proportion or utility. But since, in all respects, the case is quite otherwise; we may be satisfied that beauty does not depend on these, let it owe its origin to what else it will.
SECT. IX.-PERFECTION NOT THE CAUSE OF BEAUTY. THERE is another notion current, pretty closely allied to the former; that Perfection is the constituent cause of beauty. This opinion has been made to extend much further than to sensible objects. But in these, so far is perfection, considered as such, from being the cause of beauty, that this quality, where it is highest, in the female sex, almost always carries with it an idea of weakness and imperfection. Women are very sensible of this; for which reason, they learn to lisp, to totter in their walk, to counterfeit weakness, and even sickness. In all they are guided by nature. Beauty in distress is much the most affecting beauty. Blushing bas little less power; and modesty in general, which is a tacit allowance of imperfection, is itself considered as an amiable quality, and certainly beightens every other that is so. I know it is in everybody's mouth, that we ought to love perfection. This is to me a sufficient proof, that it is not the proper
object of love. Who ever said we ought to love a fine woman, or even any of these beautiful animals which please us ? Here to be affected, there is no need of the concurrence of our will. SECT. X.—HOW FAR THE IDEA OF BEAUTY MAY BE
APPLIED TO THE QUALITIES OF THE MIND. Nor is this remark in general less applicable to the qualities of the mind. Those virtues which cause admiration, , and are of the sublimer kind, produce terror rather than
love; such as fortitude, justice, wisdom, and the like. Never was any man amiable by force of these qualities. Those which engage our hearts, which impress us with a sense of loveliness, are the softer virtues ; easiness of temper, compassion, kindness, and liberality; though certainly those latter are of less immediate and momentous concern to society, , and of less dignity. But it is for that reason that they are
so amiable. The great virtues turn principally on dangers, punishments, and troubles, and are exercised rather in preventing the worst mischiefs, than in dispensing favours; and are therefore not lovely, though highly venerable. The subordinate turn on reliefs, gratifications, and indulgences; and are therefore more lovely, though inferior in dignity. Those persons who creep into the hearts of most people, who are chosen as the companions of their softer hours, and their reliefs from care and anxiety, are never persons of shining qualities or strong virtues. It is rather the soft green of the soul on which we rest our eyes, that are fatigued with beholding more glaring objects. It is worth observing how we feel ourselves affected in reading the characters of Cæsar and Cato, as they are so finely drawn and contrasted in Sallust. In one the ignoscendo largiundo; in the other, nil largiundo. In one, the miseris perfugium ; in the other, malis perniciem. In the latter we have much to admire, much to reverence, and perhaps something to fear; we respect him, but we respect him at a distance. The former makes us familiar with him; we love him, and he leads us whither he pleases. To draw things closer to our first and most natural feelings, I will add a remark made upon reading this section by an ingenious friend. The authority of a father, so useful to our well-being, and so justly venerable upon all accounts, hin
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Savoy House 26-9536-FD-196 Alsace Fan Review
by WilliamTurner
Savoy House has been in the business of producing ceiling fans, radiant lighting, outdoor lights, and energy star fans for over 35 years. One of their popular product is the Alsace 26-Inch ceiling fan. This fan is a collection of sophisticated chandeliers influenced by the wine barrels that are commonly used in the French vineyards. This fan has a reclaimed wood finish and riveted iron details that give it an imposing outlook and a boldness in scale.
It is an ideal complement to many home room décors. Some of its key features include a 37-watt motor, power limiter, blade pitch of 13.50 degrees, RMT007, manual reverse switch, chestnut blade finish, white edged glass and fan blades. The bulb voltage for this unit is 120 volts. The assembled length, width, and diameter for this fan are 26 inches while its height is 16.25 inches. It is the kind of the ceiling fan that can keep you warm during the winter, cool during summer, and saves you money.
This Savoy House Alsace fan has a rustic design made from reclaimed wood finish to enable it to fit in any outdoor or indoor environment. The centre hub of this fan has been made from white etched glass and enclosed in a strong metal hub. The three broad blades feature a Chestnut finish to give them a beautiful rustic appeal. The fan has been equipped with the modern accessories that are ideal for use in the indoor and covered outdoor environments like a porch.
This fan comes with one integrated light which uses bulbs of Mini-Can H-type. The voltage of this bulb is 120 volts while the maximum wattage is 75 watts. The integration of a light bulb into a ceiling fan is more like killing two birds using one stone. It eliminates the need to have separate fixtures for the light and the ceiling fan. It also saves you the costs of buying an extra kit for lighting purposes. The electrical usage for this fan is 37 watts which are quite efficient in terms of energy consumption.
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The fan uses three blades whose pitch is 13.5 degrees and whose span is 26-inches. These blades are extremely efficient because of their balance and their capabilities to minimize noise. They also increase the efficiency of your fan by distributing the air supply properly in your home. At high speeds, the airflow for this fan is 2374 cu-ft per minute while the efficiency is 64 cu-ft per minute for every watt. The size of its powerful motor is 120 by 20 mm and it helps in powering up the fan. The motor type is standard AC whose voltage is 120 volts and it has the ability to give you three variable speeds.
The other feature to look out for is the 3-speed control setting. This control can be placed at the eye-level or at a lower location to enable you to adjust the speed of the fan. The revolutions per minute will range from 286 to 473 rpm. A handheld remote (RMT005) is included to enable you to adjust the settings in the comfort of your place. There is a dial that enables you to choose one of the four settings, one for turning it off and the other three for the variable speed settings.
Several factors determine the amount of airflow given by the ceiling fan. One such factor is the blade pitch. The blade pitch for this Alsace fan is 13.5 degrees. This is the ideal pitch for minimizing wind resistance while moving much air at the same time. There is a lifetime warranty on the motor once you purchase this product. All other parts enjoy a one-year warranty cover. A 6-inch down rod is also included to enable you to install thfan more easily.
The Alsace fan from Savoy House is one of the high-quality ceiling fans on the market. It runs smoothly and quietly for long hours without overheating the motor. When you buy this unit, wobbling and anynoise will no longer worry you, thanks to the quality constructed motor. The device is quite durable and will serve you for many years.
The fan is ideal for cooling purposes and provides one of the strongest breezes in its category with its wind speed factor standing at about 4.28 mph. This fan will, therefore, provide you quality, durable, and smooth, quiet operation capabilities. The electrical usage for this fan is just 37 watts making it a very efficient in terms of energy consumption and cost saving. With an average of 75 watts, most units use more than twice the electricity used by this fan.
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The Alsace fan uses fewer watts but yet produces higher wind speed than most other competing units. The wind speed factor plays a key role in the overall efficiency of a ceiling fan. When properly used, a ceiling fan can save a lot of money in utility bills. The creation of a wind-chill effect results in a so-called cooling effect of the fan.
Therefore, the higher the speed generated by the fan, the cooler airflow it provides. The colder environment created by the fan enables you to raise the AC thermostat by some degrees to conserve energy. A 10-degree rise, for instance, results in energy savings of up to 40 percent. Despite its low wattage, this fan produces wind speed of 4.28 mph which is 1.28 units higher than the average rating for most units which makes it more efficient and energy saving unit.
Despite the rising number of rustic fans on the market, Savoy House fans stand out. This fan has a unique design and a reclaimed wood finish that is able to fit into any indoor or rustic outdoor environment. It comes with a lighting kit that has been integrated with the fan. It has three blades and settings for variable speed control. There is also a remote control to enable you to operate the fun more conveniently.
A 6-Inch down rod is included in the package to enable you to install the blades about 13 inches from the ceiling. The fan has been UL listed to be used in indoor environments. You should, therefore, not use in areas where the fan can be exposed to harsh elements and moisture.
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Beautiful People: Valentine’s edition
Posted: February 14, 2015 | Author: Cassandra Page | Filed under: On the Lucid Dreaming duology | Tags: beautiful people, Lucid Dreaming | Leave a comment
Beautiful People is a monthly meme for writers. Every month, the hosts — Cait at Paper Fury and Sky at Further Up and Further In — post a list of 10 questions for writers to answer about your characters. It’s designed to help everyone get to know the chosen characters: their quirks, their personality, their flaws, and who they are.
This month’s theme is luuuuuurve, because tomorrow is Half-Price-Chocoalte Day or whatever. For something different, I wanted to talk about the characters in my as-yet-unreleased adult urban fantasy, Lucid Dreaming: Melaina and Brad. I haven’t announced this officially yet, but I’m currently gearing up to release Lucid Dreaming in the last quarter of 2015. Woo!
How long have they been a couple?
They meet and get together during the course of the story. By the end of the book they’ve been together about a week and a half.
What? It is a very busy week and a half!
How did they first meet?
That’s a little awkward, and Brad doesn’t like to talk about it…
But I’m his author, so I will. 😉 Basically, he kinda sorta tries to strangle her in her bed. He doesn’t actually remember it, though. He was asleep at the time.
What were their first thoughts of each other? (Love at first sight or “you’re freakishly annoying”?)
Her first thought was, “Who is that weirdly dressed hot guy following me home?” His — a day later — was, “I don’t know her so she must be here to visit the woman sharing my ward room. Dammit!”
What do they do that most annoys each other?
Other than the way they met? (Melaina was pretty bloody annoyed about that!)
They haven’t really been together long enough to discover that they hate the way the other person hogs the remote or puts the toilet paper on the dispenser (over vs under: the eternal debate).
Are their personalities opposite or similar?
Somewhere in between. Brad is a bit of a sceptic about the supernatural when they first get together, so Melaina’s explanations about what is happening to him just make him angry. But once he realises she’s for real, he starts to come around.
Melaina is much more open-minded about that sort of thing — just because she’s never seen a ghost, that doesn’t mean they aren’t real.
How would their lives be different without each other?
There’d be a lot less kissing, for a start! 😉
Are they ever embarrassed about each other?
Give it time! Brad might have been worried about taking her home to meet the parents, given her nose piercing and blue fringe, but he’s an orphan. And his sister, the other relative who might disapprove, liked Melaina before he did.
Does anyone disapprove of their relationship?
Yes. Melaina’s friend Jen is wary at first, worried Brad might have another “incident”. Her other sometimes friend (frienemy?), Leander, has similar concerns.
Do they see their relationship as long-term/leading to marriage?
By the end of the book they both know they really like — maybe even love — one another. But they haven’t had a chance to consider it going any further than that. Honestly, I didn’t really give them much of a chance to ponder.
I’m so mean.
If they could plan the “perfect outing” together, where would they go?
Melaina would like to go somewhere that there aren’t too many people, like a bed and breakfast in the country, or a beach house down at the coast. Brad wouldn’t mind too much, but he’d want it to be a well appointed bed and breakfast or beach house, and he’d organise for chocolates and a bottle of champagne to be left in their room…
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by Krystal Northey February 28, 2014 September 4, 2020
Breaking down facts and fiction about today’s trendy eats
Kale, quinoa, coconut water, avocado, gluten-free foods — you’ve either heard of them or you’ve eaten them yourself. These are some of the trendiest foods right now and you can probably confirm this through the numerous foodie articles, annoying Instagram posts and over-done Facebook updates.
Now, I wouldn’t go so far as to say I haven’t tried a few of these (OK, all of them), but what’s more important is finding out if these foods are actually good for us, and figuring out how to work them into our diet. I asked Colleen Parsons, president of CGP Consulting, to fill us in on these trendy foods.
Kale is one of the latest “it” foods, but really isn’t that different from spinach, Parson says.
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Kale is one of the latest “it” foods. Parsons, who is a fitness and nutrition coach, says that while it’s high in Vitamin A and beta-carotene, it’s not really that different from spinach in terms of the micronutrients it contains.
“It is a cruciferous vegetable and is very high in Vitamin K, which is used in the body’s normal blood clotting, antioxidant activity and bone health,” says Parsons.
“This does present a problem for people taking anticoagulants, such as warfarin, because it interferes with the drug activity. It does tout greater texture and more flavour, which is good or bad, depending on your preference.”
Still having trouble pronouncing this one? Parsons says that Quinoa (keen-wah) has a texture that pops between your teeth and can add another dimension to everyday meals.
Parsons says: “Quinoa producers tout that the seed is high in fibre, protein and some minerals, but technically, it’s not all that different from brown rice. It provides fewer calories per each 125 millilitres cooked serving than brown rice.”
Avocados are high in fiber, folate, magnesium, and potassium, making a great addition to your diet.
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“The avocado fruit has moved from forbidden to fabulous,” Parsons says.
Early explorers used avocado on their bread instead of butter, suggesting these vegetables are high in fat. While that may be true, Parsons says the type of fat is important for our bodies.
“Avocados are high in heart-healthy unsaturated fats and low in saturated fats. They are high in fiber, folate, magnesium and potassium.”
What have you heard about coconut water? I’ve heard it cures hangovers because of its mystical hydration powers.
But, Parsons says she would consider coconut water to be a fairly unremarkable addition to the “it” food category. Parsons says that it does not offer the most effective balance of electrolytes for recovery from sports.
Parsons says that while you could drink coconut water after a light workout, it unfortunately will not be producing any of the magical results you may have heard of.
“It has some redeeming qualities such as it’s natural, slightly sweet [taste] and offers some electrolytes, but as a daily hydrating fluid or sports drink, be cautious,” Parsons says,
“It isn’t calorie free — so consuming throughout the day, when water might be all you need, may be calorically irresponsible.”
Gluten-free foods
Going ‘gluten free’ has become a popular method for some to eliminate a food group in order to reduce overall calories, Parson says.
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I think the first issue with gluten-free eating is that many people don’t actually know what gluten is. Parsons says that gluten is a protein found in certain species of wheat, barley, rye and their cross-bred hybrids. Adding that the demand for gluten-free foods in the marketplace is overwhelming compared to a few short years ago.
People go gluten-free for different reasons, but one reason is much more serious than the others. It is estimated that approximately one per cent of the population has Celiac Disease and consuming a gluten-free diet is a permanent lifestyle change that people with the disease must make.
“Although there are legitimate reasons why those sensitive to gluten eliminate foods containing gluten, going gluten free has also become a popular method for some to eliminate a food group in order to reduce overall calories,” Parsons says.
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This festive outdoor experience in Sorel-Tracy’s Royal Square, or Carré Royal, is a celebration in lights of the history of Dorimène Roy-Desjardins, a Sorel native and co-founder of the first credit union (caisses populaires) in North America.
Share the rich history of Dorimène Desjardins, who rose from humble beginnings in Sorel to become co-founder of the Caisses populaires Desjardins—founded in 1900, today the Desjardins Group is one of the leading financial cooperatives in Québec and Canada.
Also, revitalize the public space of Carré Royal, creating a free immersive show with the values of the earliest credit union forerunners to welcome and inspire community members and visitors.
The cadabra team looked at the timeless wonder of classic fairgrounds as an ongoing source of inspiration. Brilliant lights, intriguing music and a sparkling sense of whimsy bring the Carré alive, much like an old-time fair, using the surrounding majesty of the mature trees to integrate lighting elements and make the natural context part of the festivities. An audio track narrating the story of Dorimène Desjardins completes the sense of travelling through time, connecting audiences with the rich history of the site.
The creative consideration and attention to detail make the Carré Royal a truly magical experience destination that belies its modest budget, layering the beauty of today with a proud tribute to yesterday. The installation’s inherent fluidity makes it adept at evolving with the seasons or being used to highlight specific local events. To ensure this installation would be a lasting source of pleasure, the cadabra team integrated modern technology so all structural components resist four-season weather.
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Instead of overlooking the site’s natural wonders, like the stately park trees, the team recruited them as part of the installation, showing both the project and the surroundings to their most beautiful advantage.
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Reids Of Caithness Crowned Scottish Baker Of The Year 2017
Reids of Caithness has been named Scottish Baker of the Year 2017 at a glittering ceremony hosted by Scottish Bakers, the association that supports and promotes the interests of Scottish bakers across the country.
The baker won the following awards:
Morning Roll - National Bronze and Regional Gold
Corn Bread - Regional Gold
Buttery - National Bronze
"We are extremely pleased to be recognised as Scotland's best baker" said Gary Reid "We take our business very seriously and use traditional methods and craftsmen's skills to deliver quality every time. But we could not have come this far in the competition without the votes of all of our customers, Thank you."
Owner of Award winning Little Venice Cake Company and Judge on ITV's Britain's Best Bakery Mich Turner MBE, who presented Reids of Caithness with their award said "It has given me great pleasure to be involved in the competition again this year. There have been some fantastic entries and all the prizes I have handed out to bakers have been worthy in every way. I wish all our winners well in the coming year."
Chief Executive of Scottish Bakers Alan Clarke commented "It’s been a long journey to get to this point. Over 11,000 customers from across Scotland voted for their favourite bakery products across eight categories. In April, more than 115 bakers delivered 850 of the most popular products in the land for scrutiny by a panel of 56 expert and independent judges led by artisan baker Robert Ross. With products from Stranraer to Shetland, we now have a ringing endorsement for our industry."
The Scottish Baker of the Year Awards is the brainchild of Scottish Bakers, the Trade Association for bakers in Scotland who decided to search for the best baker in the land in 2012.
"Now in its sixth year, the competition celebrates our love of a tasty treat from our local baker and aims to crown just one hard working bakery Scottish Baker of the Year" continues Alan. “With thousands upon thousands of pies, scones, loaves, savoury items, morning rolls, individual cakes and biscuits sold in Scotland every day, our bakers work hard to keep us all going.”
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Reids Bakery tastes success in Scottish Baker of the Year 2019/20 Competition
Reids Bakery of Thurso did their customers proud at the weekend by taking home a top prize in the Scottish Baker of the Year 2019/20 competition. The bakery was awarded: Strawberry Tart - Regional Silver Brown Bread - Regional Gold Buttery - Special Silver.
Reids Bakery Shortlisted in Scottish Baker of the Year 2019/20 Competition
Thanks to the votes of their customers and following a rigorous day of judging by some 50 of the industry's top professionals, Reids Bakery of Thurso, Caithness has been shortlisted for a prize in the Scottish Baker of the Year 2019/20 competition. "With over 8000 customer votes and in excess of 30,000 individual products votes, for goods baked by the best bakers in the country, Reids Bakery can be very proud of having made it this far" said Head Judge Robert Ross.
Reids Of Caithness Of Thurso Takes A Top Prize In Scottish Baker Of The Year 2018 Competition
Reids of Caithness of Thurso has taken a top prize in the 2018 Scottish Baker of the Year Awards. Their prize was presented by Mich Turner MBE at a glittering ceremony hosted by Scottish Bakers, the association that supports and promotes the interests of Scottish bakers across the country.
Reids of Caithness Bakers In Line For Another Award
Reids of Caithness of Thurso is in the running for a top prize at the Scottish Baker of the Year Awards 2018. The votes have been cast and Scottish Bakers, the association that represents bakers across Scotland, has announced who is on the shortlist and still in the running for a prize in the Scottish Bakers of the Year Awards 2018.
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Reids Of Caithness Makes The Shortlist For Scottish Baker Of The Year
Thanks to the residents of Thurso, Reids of Caithness has been recognised by a panel of expert judges as producing one of the best individual cakes in the land - a Crofters Cake. Customers from across Scotland voted for their best bakery products during March and the top 30 products in each of the 5 categories were baked and delivered to Fife for judging by a panel of independent experts led by artisan Robert Ross including retired master bakers with extensive experience of the bakery sector in Scotland.
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Dance Review: Private Places by IdiosynCrazy Productions
Reviewed by Adrienne Totino
Philadelphia based dance company, IdiosynCrazy, shook up the local contemporary dance scene this past weekend in their hilarious and haunting new work, “Private Places.”
Audience members gathered in the lobby of the Alloy Studios, much like travelers huddled around the entrance gate to an airplane. The piece was inspired by just that – the inside of an airline cabin. Not only was Artistic Director, Jumatatu Poe, interested in people who work in tight, enclosed spaces, but also how flight attendants in particular are trained in “emotional management.”
We’ve all heard stories of passengers losing their cool; maybe we’ve even witnessed it. And we’ve seen the calm, but strange smiles on the faces of the flight attendants taught to deal with such outbursts. Think of the Saturday Night Live airline skit from the early 90’s – David Spade and Helen Hunt as disgruntled attendants, rushing passengers out with a snarky “Bye-Bye.”
The eight performers of IdiosynCrazy took that idea about one hundred steps further, deeply investigating human relationships and what might happen if psychological madness ensued during a regular commercial flight.
Each audience member was assigned a letter – A, B, C or D – which indicated our seating during the performance. Three dancers greeted us in the lobby, with the kind of insincere smiles that indicate something boiling underneath. One group at a time, they ushered us to our seats.
The third floor studio was transformed into an airline cabin. A long, rectangular space was enclosed by large plastic sheets. Movable chairs were lined up in four rows. Dancers sat us individually, with a blank stare that sometimes lingered a bit too long. We waited and watched, as others were greeted and sat in the same peculiar manner.
Right away, the neuroses of the performers developed. In a robotic tone, three dancers circled each other maniacally, repeating the phrase “Do you need anything from me?” Others moved about as if drugged, making strange sounds one would imagine hearing in the hallways of a mental institution. Another trio danced a slow unison phrase of overly sexual movement. Poe was inspired by a dance form called J-Setting, a club culture that pushes boundaries of masculinity and femininity, and is popular in the gay community.
All of this happened in the small aisle space in between seating, to the lulling tic-tock sound of a metronome. Dancers bullied audience members, asking them to get up and move, and invading their personal space. Somehow it was funny, and the group of us were willing to go along for the ride.
As the piece continued, the dancers appeared to be breaking down emotionally, moaning, crying and shouting. The physical and sexual barriers continued to fall away. Costumes came off, revealing bare breasts and bottoms. And in an escalation of fury, the entire cast came together and stripped completely.
The revelation was slow enough that we didn’t feel like voyeurs. Perhaps it was because the disorder was well underway when we arrived. We were invited into it. By the end, we certainly had more questions than answers. But for reasons I’m not even sure of, the whole thing made sense. Maybe in our own “private places,” we can relate to the chaos in this crazy world.
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When Lucifer returns this August, our favorite forensic scientist will meet her “match made in heaven,” who is described as a “male version of Ella” and “just as geeky.”
The upcoming season of Netflix’s Lucifer will see the entry of Alex Koch, famous for his role in Under the Dome, as Pete Daily, Ella Lopez’s (played by Aimee Garcia) new love interest, who will be “endearing, nerdy and friendly.”
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Pete will play the role of a L. A. reporter for one of Lucifer (Tom Ellis) and Chloe’s (Lauren German) cases. His cover story of the case leads him to cross path with Garcia, as reported by Entertainment Weekly.
“It’s just bad news bears in the love department for Ella [at the beginning of season 5], which I like because she can’t be perfect. Then, she finally, finally, finally, dates a good guy,” Garcia told EW in last December. “And she lets him, and it’s so much more intimate because it’s not just physical. They go to Star Trek conventions, and they go to dinner and there’s wine and candles. They speak Klingon together.”
“In season 5, we’re gonna see Ella have a crisis of self, which I think will be a bit hard to watch but also very relatable — because who hasn’t had a crisis of self at some point?” Garcia told EW. “While she went a little bit to her darker side in season 4, I think in season 5 we’re going to see this unapologetic, almost real-life angel spiral a little bit with who she is and we’re gonna get to see a side of her that isn’t Susie Sunshine and hopefully every girl and every guy who watches the show will say, ‘Oof, we’ve been there.'”
Also, TVLine has managed to get its hands on the key art/poster for Season 5 of “Lucifer” which strongly suggests that it’s time to “give in to temptation.”
But, Chloe giving into temptation in the official trailer has been the concern of the diehard LuciFans, what with the unexpected big Michael twist and so many theories related to him. The first half of “Lucifer” Season 5 will be released in Netflix in just a month’s time, on August 21, 2020.
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Life Is Such A Sweet Insanity.
Tell Me Something Good.
22 October 2006 / 551 Comments
Anyone remember WT Grants?
I kind of pride myself on this one. I remember the W.T. Grants department store chain, more specifically, the one in Northern Lights Plaza north of Syracuse, N.Y. Grants went out of business in 1975 (when I was around seven years old), but I remember shopping there with my mom and my grandmother. I remember my mother playing her Christmas albums with the “Grants” logo on the label on the GE Wildcat record player that was able to hold up to six albums at once. The retail space gave way to several department stores afterwards, including Two Guys, Zayre and Ames. Today it’s a Staples.
Apparently the family that owns the Grants Vegetable Farm near Oneida Lake (and not too far from Northern Lights) was able to snag the old Grants department store sign for their barn. I’ve seen this sign up on the barn for years, today I finally snapped a picture of it.
What’s even a little scarier is that the founder of Grants, William Thomas Grant, was originally from the city of Bradford, Pa. I drove through Bradford, Pa. on my way home today, just so I could get some pictures of some old road signs. Perhaps I brought his ghost along for a ride.
Your Erie Pa. Dining Guide.
Settled In For The Night.
Randy Wilsey says:
Hi, Worked for Grants from 1971-75 when they closed. Store #1344 in Chittenango , N.Y. Had a good time there working in the Auto Center. The store had a lot of variety, even an appliance department with furnishings,etc. The Bradford House had good meals at great prices too! Not much that compares to Grants today! Still know of several people that worked there during those years.
We hd a Grants in Sunubury,Pa up until the 70s when it closed .Was a nice store
We are talking about stores in sunbury. Did grants have two floors and a lunch counter?
sandra mitchell says:
in saginaw,michigan we had a w.t. grants store on state road in green acres plaza it was next to the a & P store, remember the old A & P.???????????????? why cant someone bring those old stores back like arlans, shoppers fair, kresges, woolworths, yankee stores. state vitamin.store.where shampoo and etc. was bought.
I worked for wt grant from 1955 to 1961 in St paul minnesota as a cook. The resturant manager Jim driscoll taught me how to cook. It was a great store. I miss it.
Ishopped at Grants as a small child for Chistmas gifts. Was this the store with the conveyor belt restteraunt?
John. I worked at Grants as a cool in Berea, Ohio. Then became a restaurant manager in Oswego, NY. Jim Driscoll was our regional manager. A good guy.
Hal Stalker says:
i remember jim driscoll from downtown syracuse store 15
Ken Ballon says:
Hi Hal !!!! I worked at the Oswego store Auto dept and remember you well.
Hal Koch says:
My name is Hal too!!! When I was 3 years old my mom took me to grants on Main St. in Flushing Queens NY and everyone was crowded around the B&W TV’s which were all on. It turned out that everyone including my mom & I were watching the first moon landing! I can’t believe I can remember that far back and so vividly!
John Ryan says:
I remember Jim, meet him when I was opening stores,mid 70s, check out wt grants on face book
I WORKED in the Manhattan office in 1966 it was my first job out of school I made $50 bucks a week… spent $2 bucks a day lunch and transportation…I worked as a file clerk… what an experience…I was 17 Years old.. thank God they had some cute Guys there..
dave hough says:
i worked at grants head office in manhattan from january of 1965 until january of 1966 when i went in the navy. i want to say i worked on the 7th floor but maybe not, anyway i was a file clerk. i am trying to remember where the office was and whether or not the building is still there. was it on 7th ave between 40th and 41st or on broadway, just above the old met?
Nance says:
I also worked in the Manhattan office in 1966 as a comptroller. I made $1.65/hr. It was a great job, I worked with girls just like me, 18 years old, just out of H.S. Grants provided breakfast every day – bagels, lox and cream cheese, and coffee – at least that’s how I remember it. On Friday, payday, we went out to lunch and had a drink with it.
I worked for ten years in New York new store planning dept
I worked in the Berea store in 1973. Bought a Bradford TV that I had for cloe to 25 years.
My Dad was a W.T. Grant manager. We always had only Bradford everything- tv’s, blenders, etc. One funny memory I have is the fact that we would buy Dad the 50 cent knock off cologne for Christmas and it had numbers for names. He called it Barnyard #7 or some such name!!!
John, my name is Mike, did your employees call you Mr. J. I worked as a cook in the early 70’s in Oswego, NY. You got transferred to Ogdensburg, NY.
Rick Chapman says:
Its me. Rick Chapman. I enjoyed my time with Grants
Bill trainor says:
7 July 2017 at 10:54 am
I think my dad was friends with My Driscoll. My dad was the store manager for the downtown Minneapolis Store like around 1964. He was also a manager in Youngstown Ohio, in what I believe to be the first shopping center in the US. Also ran stores in New, Castle Indiana, Omaha Nebrass, Tucson Arizona
Do you know how they made the hot dog sauce
My Grandfather was CEO of Grants. His name was James Kendrick. I remember the closing of Grants. My mom was a cashier in the final days. I know my grandfather took his job seriously and was a very proud man. Unfortunately he us gone, but he lived a good long life with his wife Margaret. Hopefully he touched some of your lives.
Carol magno says:
I remember the name I worked in nyc for ten years
i loved the hot dogs on the toasted buttered bun. i would sometime go downtown just for the hot dog and not even shop, delicious
Andrew Hamilton (@Drewdagemini) says:
I did too. Haven’t had a better once since.
Do you know how they made the hot dog sauce ?
I lived on the south shore of Long Island, NY, and I would regularly take the bus into Patchogue, JUST to get their hot dogs. They were the absolute best I’ve ever had, toasted buttered bun and their relish too! Even 40 years later I LONG to taste them again!!! Does ANYONE know what brand they were, and/or who made them for Grant??
Joel Stewart says:
I went there as a kid in the early 70’s. The store was heading west out of town on Rt 5 We lived in Perryville, NY
My Dad Newman ( Bud ) Conklin was a manager for WT Grants for most of my childhood, Early ‘60s to the mid ‘70s we moved every two or three years as he got promoted up through the ranks. Grand Rapids, Michigan, Kenosha Wisconsin, DeKalb Illinois ( the longest- six years) then finally Bedford Indiana where his store “ Grant City” was one of the last stores to close. Mostly wonderful memories!
Don D says:
Hi Mike. I was Bud’s Assistant Mgr. at Kenosha Wi. 1966, 1967. Best Mgr. I ever work for and the smartest. I think you will remember me, Don Derringer from Baldwin with. You and Bud spend a weekend with me at my cabin at Hayward wi. I would love to talk to about Bud.
Mike Conklin says:
My fatherNewman( Bud) Conklin was a WT Grants manager for my entire childhood! From the early ‘60s to the mid ‘70s we moved every two or three years as he got promoted up the ranks- Grand Rapids Michigan, Kenosha Wisconsin, DeKalb Illinois ( six years the longest] and finally Bedford Indiana where his store “ Grant City” was one of the very last stores to close! Many mostly wonderful memories!
I worked for W. T. Grants in Atlanta in 1961 in the toy department.
I was a kid and thought the job was fun. I sold nuts and candy there, too.
I always remember going to Grants in Milford, CT with my friends. Always got a bag of spanish peanuts!
John Watson says:
I used to work at a Grants in B’ham Alabama as a teen. I’m 52 now. It was one of my first jobs.
Bill Birney says:
I started working for Grants in New Haven CT as a sales clerk in Hardware in 1954.
Please visit my website
http://www.bond-biltgarages.com/wtg1.htm
for some memories both mine and other Grant people
Tom Oris says:
My grandfather was a store manager for WT Grants for many years, the last store he managed was in Clarksburg, WV. Most of his retirement was in Grants stock, which obviously didn’t work out too well. Yet, I have fond memories of him taking me to the store on Sunday’s, back when stores were closed on Sunday, and letting me get any toy I wanted.
I worked at the Bellaire ohio Grants, It was a 2 story wood floor building and I vagually remember a Joe Oris that worked in the same district as I did. Our DM at that time was Ray Cambeell.
Ed Lauch says:
I think I replaced your Grandfather in store 356 Clarksburg-what was his name?
Kim pauley says:
My Dad helped manage Clarksburg in the late 60s. He would let me in on special occasions on Sunday to get something. He also helped manage the one in Fairmont.
Dick Hayes says:
I worked with you in Crafton…in Pittsburgh…
My father also was a Grants manager. We lived all over the Midwest. He was in Lexington, Ky.when they closed. He lost his retirement also. Every time I hear about the WT Grant Foundation, it makes me angry. Should have used that money to take care of those who lost everything.
Hi- My father was a W.T. Grant manager as well. He worked for Grants for 20 years- right out of college. I was mad about the WT Foundation, too, and even wrote a nasty letter to the foundation. I since then have found out that they tried almost everything to keep the stores in business! If I could write a book it would be about being a retail brat and moving all over the US. I have heard that term- instead of an army brat!! I went to 8 different schools growing up- North Dakota, Minneapolis, St. Paul, La Crosse Wisconsin, Kansas City, Bowling Green Kentucky, Decatur, IL and then the family had one last move to Quincy, IL then the company went out of business. It was a wild ride and made me who I am today! Good or bad??
judy Parker says:
I agree 100%. My dad passed in 1972. He told my mother NOT to sell the stocks, they would take care of her LONG into her years. That it would also take care of my brother and I. Well that did not happen. Sad.
Carol Olive says:
I have so many memories of Grants in Bay Shore, NY. The hot dogs were the best I’ve ver had. And I can still smell the popcorn. As a kid in the 60’s I could find all kinds of christmas gifts and not spend more then 75 cents each. Who could forget the joy of getting their first credit book, all $150.00 of credit. I thought I died and went to heaven with that book.I still have a book of sewing needles from that store.My fondest memory is a day I went with my mother(now gone)to Grants and she bought me a record called “Where have all the flowers gone”.Everytime I hear the song on the radio I think of that day and the old Grants store.
LOL I know the store in Bay Shore, and ate hot dogs there many times! Absolutely the best hot dogs EVER!! And I share the exact same memories of Christmas shopping. It was my “go to” for many years as a pre-teen and teenager!!
I too remember Bayshore Grants. My cousin worked there behind the beauty counter. My Aunt, her mom would take there to have an ice cream sundae at the “counter”. Whenever I hear Petula Clark’s song “Down Town” I think of the Grants in Bayshore and going “down town to shope
Ben Johnson says:
Hi! iam alittle young (20) to remberthe stores but i have found a little garden tractor called a bradford pinto. I would like to learn more about it. I would like to rebiuld the pinto and then display it tell where it came from. If any one has any info on it my cell is (260) 564 0726 thank u very much
Dan Pratt says:
I am 51 years old and remember our Grants store in the town of Bennington, Vermont. This was the 1960s into the mid 1970s. Our family used to visit Grants to shop there every summer when we went on vacation from Massachusetts. Later, when we moved to the Bennington Area, Grants was our only department store in a shopping plaza (Woolworth’s was on Main Street). I remember as a kid eating at the Bradford House restaurant. One Christmas I received a Bradford House brand portable AM/FM radio that I kept right up into my adult years (wish I had it now). Needless to say, I especially loved the toy section as a kid.
a wikipedian says:
I wonder if the photo could be used on Wikipedia?
Pete Gallo says:
I remember my sister and her girlfriends all worked at Grants in Jamaica Queens, NY back in the early 70’s. That was their after school job.
was your sister’s name Dorothy
John Broncato was the manager.
Sandra Turner says:
My dad worked for WT Grants in Gouveneur, NY when they built the new store and added the auto department. He worked there until they closed down.
What was your dad’s name? My did was a WTG mgr in Wellsville, NY-Norristown, PA-Beacon, NY. My brother attended St. Lawrence. One year on our way back from dropping him off we stopped in Gouveneur to visit dad’s friend who was a manager. The man told me how he rocked me when I was little. I do not remember his name. My dad was Clyde Parker.
Jim Randall says:
See w t grants in Facebook.
Bonnie Cook says:
The Grants store my family shopped at was in Baden, PA, coincidently also part of a “Northern Light Shopping Center”. Every year we eagerly awaited the new christmas album! My father also loved to pick up a sack of christmas rock candy from the store, it came shaped like toys or christmas items, and in different colors…green, red, clear is all I remember. I also recall there was a restaurant in the back of the store that my dad loved to get deep fried clams while waiting for the girls to shop.
I remember the restaurant at the back of the store, too! They had some good food! I think they also had an area where you could buy pets, like fish and birds. I lived near the shopping center and went there often, especially in my early teens. I loved going to Grant’s, Kresge’s, and G.C. Murphy’s.
Kristen Grom says:
Hey Bonnie! My grandparents met at this Grants. Any chance you’d have a picture of it?
Diane Karakehian says:
I remember going home from grade school, WT Grant’s was on Main Street.
We’d walk in, creaky wooden floor, and on the right, was the candy counter, the smell of roasting nuts, and candy samples. My aunt worked in the dress dept., and one Christmas, she gave me these white furry mittens, and a white furry hat, with the tie pompoms. Then, down the creaky wide stairwell, in the left corner downstairs, was the pet dept. Another aunt worked there, and when I was 8 yrs. old, she gave me my first parakeet. Then, there was an archway into another room, the toy room, where at Christmas, Santa gave out toys. I’m 58 now, but I can still smell those nuts roasting, hear the creaks in the floor, and see all the toys. Too bad there’s not a retro Grants store somewhere.
Darrell Danos says:
Wow,sounds like wonderful memories.For some reason, I had the Grant’s store in my area (Houma,La.) on my mind and thought about finding any info about the co.Great to hear about memories like this,Darrell 58
Ann Snell says:
“On June 27, 2005, a woman named Anna Snell from Kansas City posted a brief ode to the New England dog, which read: “I used to work at W.T. Grant’s 30 years ago, and I sold those famous grilled hot dogs with the New England style hot dog roll. We buttered it on both sides on the butter wheel, then grilled it like a grilled cheese. Then opened the top split, put in the chili, then the hot dog, with relish, mustard and onions on top. That way, the chili doesn’t fall off when you eat it. 40 cents and 45 cents with chili — I sold 100 hot dogs in three hours!”
Wow. My stomach growled just typing that. I wonder if there is anything close to that concoction for sale around Madison? In the meantime, I’m ordering some of the rolls for home experimentation. It sounds delicious and decadent, and the best thing? Still no ketchup.
Heard something Moe should know? Call 252-6446, write P.O. Box 8060, Madison, WI 53708, or e-mail dmoe@madison.com
Doug Moe — 5/16/2007 10:22 am ”
See The Capital Times Madison, Wisconsin for complete article. Smiles, Ann Snell
Garry Mattei says:
By any chance do you remember what brand of hot dogs Grants sold?
Garrry, I’ve been trying to find the brand/manufacturer of the Grant hot dogs for years. They were the best hot dogs I’ve ever had. Have you discovered who made them? Marc
Any luck on with who produced those awesome hotdogs?
Gary Bratton says:
Hi all.. According to the Dept 26 “serve ’em what you show ’em” book from June of 1961 , the frankfurters are 5 3/4″ long -7 to a pound – all meat. Sourced from Hormel.
The same Dept 26 book list the hot dog buns as “Sheet rolls -5 1/2″ long – 2″ high (Howard Johnson Roll)” Sourced from “locally approved source”. If you would like to make them yourself, a Google search on “Howard Johnson Rolls” turns up this link : http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/2010/06/27/hot-dog-this-bun-pan-does-double-duty/
check out wt grants on face book
I started working at Grant’s on Main St. in Flushing when I was 16. My mom had worked in the toy dept there for many years! Those were great christmases! I worked in the snack bar and sold those delicious hot dogs!! Fund days!!!
Kelly Smith says:
I remember as a child going to Grants in Medford Mass.
They had access to the basement with a wide creaky set of wooden stairs.It was the first department store I went in and the first to see a going out of business sale at.
Today I live in Maine and Reny’s carries on the tradition of the older buildings with creaky stairs to climb and get some values.
I work at a company that owns a building where grants used to be and the door still has “Grants” on the door handles.
Steve White says:
I remember in the early 60s when I would get out of High School and would go to Grants Department Store in Panorama City, California. I would order a coke and a grilled cheese sandwich. That was my mid-afternoon snack. The store also had a full basement floor.
Linda Bode says:
I remember shopping with my Mother, when I was a child, in Decatur, Alabama. My young Mother purchased a set of dishes by lay-away. Every week I went with her to pay on these dishes and they were our “best” for many years. After a time they were boxed and stored, replaced with newer pattern in the china cabinet. In later years, while shopping in an Antique mall, she found out the W.T. Grant dishes were very valuable which prompted to display them in the china cabinet. She recently passed away and I now have those dishes in my china cabinet. I have told this story to my Daughter for many years and my plan is to give them to her at a future date. The dish pattern is “Moss Rose”.
Do you remember where in The Grants in Decatur was located?
Jim F. says:
I think your thinking about the Suburban Plaza store that was at Scott Blvd and N Dectaur Rd. Then they went out on Candler Road and built a Grant City.
It was on corner of Grant Street and the address was 500 grant st.
My Dad was the store manager back in the 70’s. The store was at Fairview Plaza- next to Goldblatts. My Dad hired all of my friends to work there!! I worked at Walgreens just to the south of Grants!
Bruce Lobsinger says:
Best place to buy turtles!…
aaron bostian says:
hi, my parents bought me 2 of those grants turtles when i was like 2 or 3 years old(circa 1970) A salesman mistakeingly stepped on one and the other one we set free in a nearby branch( i`d like to think its still alive somewhere)
OMG…my brother and I went thru Grants Turtles like tissues back in the late 60’s early 70’s. They also sold the little plastic pond with the fake palm tree on the side. Poor little creatures only would last a week or two before dying off.
keystonelens says:
I loved my turtles! They lived in their little plastic oasis with the green palm tree.
I also worked at Grants in Andover MA when I was 16.Better than that is that my sister-in-law is the grandaughter of one of the Grant Brothers who owned the store. Her grandfather passed away about 8 years ago at a nice old age.
I worked at the Bradford house in the mid 70’s in Louisville, KY. What a blast…had the best boss I ever had…Charlie!…and great friends Debbie, Shiela….others…My memories are of a packed house every day…food was excellent and very resonably priced…did hate one thing…at one point we got new uniforms…UGH ..dark blue, puffy short sleeves, apron at waist…they were gastly! Sure had great time working there as my first job during high school…wish it was still there!
I worked at a Bradford House as well, and remember those horrible new uniforms; they were so uncomfortable! It was ny first job as well,and I’ll never forget it. I have a Bucky Bradford doll.
Debbie T. says:
I remember the Bradford House. We had one in our store. The food there was pretty good. I especially loved their salads.
Stanley Smith says:
the smaller restaurants (lunch counters) were called “the skillet”
Albert Fabrizio says:
hi grew up at Grants. My grandmother and two ands were buyers and a district manager. here in Philadelphia. i often walk down market street and try to recall the scene of my grandmother holding my hand as we would walk through town.
when i met my partner i found out his mother was a secretary in new york city. what a small world.
just before my grandmother passed away she gave me here wheat dishes and i cherish them each time i use them.
thank you for the memory.
Tom Germscheid says:
My first job was as a stockboy at the Grants in Northeast Philadelphia in 1966. I remember buying clothes, music albums and eating at the lunch counter there. They even had a pet department and once I was assigned to catch a canary that had escaped from its cage and was flying around the store.
Bernadette Sxott says:
I remember Grant’s in Windber Pa when I was a kid at Christmas. You could smell the candy and the roasted nuts. Also, the staircase was against the wall which was three floors. The Johnstown flood of 1977 came through town and destroyed the inside of the building but the outside still stands. Many good memories!!!!
Doug Martin says:
Bernadette, I didn’t realize that Windber had a Grants. I worked at Grants City that was on the hill in Richland over looking Windber. My Dad worked for GTE in Windber so you mentioning the city brought back a lot of memories. About Grants, I worked for a man named Manny Bregman who was the manager of the shoe department. This was my first job and was so excited about the job. The bad thing was Manny was a tyrant which brought my excitement down to earth. I work with him for 6 months ( which was a record – 3 months was the next longest) after he cussed me out in front of a customer I had had enough and threatened to quit, so they made me manager of the record dept which I loved. The other thing I loved was the restaurant. I always ordered the fried clams, and if I remember correctly it was $3.99 for a full meal. God do I miss those days. Thanks Bernadette for the memories.
Mike Roberts says:
I work in the Richland store too as a management trainee, then move to two more stores as an asst manager then to my own store in Lancaster PA. I do recall Manny Bregman. I was there Oct 1971 to Oct 1972 Aprox. Manny never wanted anyone to leave with just shoes, He wanted to sell them some socks or polish or something else.
Another great Grant’s memory from Louisville KY…
I was having a late night grilled cheese and that reminded me of the ones I would get shopping at Grant’s with my mother in the early 70’s. They were so good! I was all of about 5 or 6, but still remember the taste of that warm gooey buttery sandwich served on that thick white plate with the Bradford House logo. As a 6 year old, I just thought that was livin’. One year we trekked out there to by a 7 foot blue pine Christmas tree. I LOVED the holiday decor and seem to recall a lot of decorated trees all high up on display and the sound of bells and chimes. I can almost smell the popcorn right now 🙂 Oh man…and the roasted nuts.
In my search for “W T Grant’s Bradford House”, I came across someone on Ebay selling a dinner plate from the restaurant, how cool! Thanks for the great memories!
JOE WOJNAR says:
I REMEMBER W.T. GRANTS IN WASHINTON PA DOWNTOWN
THEN AT THE FRANKLIN MALL ONE OF THE FIRST PLACES
I GOT CREDIT WASN’T A CARD BUT THEY GAVE COUPONOS
STRANGE CONCEPT THAT WAS 1969. ALWAYS ENJOYED SHOPPING THERE
AND COULDN’T WAIT FOR CHIRSTMAS TO SEE ALL THE
NEW ARRIVALS, I STILL HAVE ORNAMENTS IN THE ORIGINAL
BOXES AND PRICES ON THEM..SOME GREAT MEMORIES
A NICE WALK DOWN MEMORY LANE A TIME WHEN THINGS
WERE MUCH SIMPLER AND LESS COMPLICATED
richard flavell says:
i remember there was a wt grants in our hometown of rockland ma. my mom and i went there alot, i especially remember buying cookies that were sold by the amount you took from the container, sugar wafers and scotch jam were my favorite. i am still looking for scotch jams but cant find them anywhere, i cant remember who produced them ,however i do remember buying them at a grocery store after wt grant closed,but that store closed and i havent seen that cookie since then.
I worked in the Bradford House in 1970-1971 in Brentwood Long Island.
I was a line cook, and remembered the pretty good food, and the great staff, most of us were High School students working part time.
All of the food was top shelf, and very fresh, some delivered daily .
All you can eat Fish on Friday nights for .99 !
I used to cook nearly every evening for around 75-100 people, and it kept me on my toes.
It taught me the basics of cooking, and the very important timing aspect.
I used to eat there.And my dad managed the Auto Center.Tom Hackett was his name
I remember him. Nice guy.
Loved reading these. I started working at Grants in North Tonawanda, NY in 1963 at the age of 15. Abunch of us were hired to canvas the city on foot, knocking on doors and asking if anyone would like to open a credit account with Grants. Tose of us that did well were given a part-time job in the store at the end of the summer. I was one of the lucky ones staring on the floor in the men’s department. Quickly I moved from there to the register, where you had to count out change, and then on to the office. I worked 16 hours a week for the next 2 years, helping me to pay my way through college. I worked there all through college and for 1 summer after I graduated. Then it was in the new store in Amherst, NY. I loved that company and still have many items that have the old WT on the label. Unfortunately, my uncle who was a manager for Grants for many years, lost all retirement benefits in his stocks. He is in his 80’s and still attends the W T Grant reunions. Great memories.
I first worked at the Grants in Leesburg, Florida, in their office. It was a part-time job in the evenings and on Saturday afternoon while I was attending the local community college. While the store manager was nice, my immediate supervisor constantly bullied and harassed me. It was the first job I’d ever had and she took unfair advantage of the fact that I was green. I was finally let go from there – however, but not before my supervisor talked me down and made me feel like a complete incompetent. She also refused to mail my last paycheck so I had to travel back to that store to pick it up. It took a long time for me to stop doubting myself after that. I learned later that she had at one time been the floor supervisor and constantly harassed the sales clerks so that is probably why they put her in the office.
I also worked on the sales floor at the Grants in Mt. Dora, Florida, and was treated quite well there.
Hi Renee worked as a floor walker from 1966 to 1971 at the Grants store # 50 Main & Huron Buffalo, had the best dept’s the record, candy, drugs, tobacco, & notions was the best time of my life loved the part time girls from high school & collage working there started there after serving 4 yrs. In the Air Force was 21 when I started really loved Christmas time had to work a lot of hrs. but had such a good time still have a lot of stuff I got from the store went to work for Transcontinent Record Sales if you ever got a record from Grants it more then likely came from there.
I trained in the Amherst store 1970 worked for Grants 6 years
I trained at Grant City on Niagara Falls Blvd. in the 70’s
My Aunt and Uncle lived in North Tonawanda and I remember going to that Grants in The Plaza when we visited from Windber Pa. We loved Grants, great memories.
karen Treat says:
I worked at the Grant’s store on Military Rd in Niagara Falls NY. I worked at the deli and Bradford House. 1972 until 1974
cjd says:
does anyone know the name of the soda fountain rest right in Grants rockland mas? Can’t for the life of me rememebr the name and I worked there as a teen:>) thanks
i think it was called “the skillet”
Diamquibo says:
Grants in Hightstown, NJ off of route 130. The smell and the profound embarrasement of anyone in school knowing that you bought your clothes from Grants. Oh, the pain the pain!
Gary Kurns says:
I started as a stockboy at the age of 18 years old in Sacramento, ca. Once I turned 21 started as a manager trainee. In less than two years(1969) I was the manager of my own store in Hayward, Ca. It was a great ride. They moved to 7 different stores in the Bay area until I ended back in Sacramento as a manager of A Grant City in 1975. I closed that store at Thanksgiving in 1975 as they closed all the stores on the west coast. It was the most fun as I ever had in my retail career, I still have some of my stock certificates. I started to work for TG&Y the day after Thanks Giving of that year.
I also ran w t grant stores in southern ca, Colton, riverside, Sante Fay springs, long beach I still have all the ic5 and mgmt forms and Bradford house menus.
Bill Layton
blayton999@aol.com
Hi- Just talked to my Mom and she doesn’t remember the restaurants being called Bradford House. She only remembers some snack counters. My Dad managed W.T. Grant stores all over the midwest for 20 years! I was a retail brat. I have actually heard that term! He managed stores in St. Paul and Minneapolis, MN, Wichita Kansas, Kansas City KS., Bowling Green, KY, Decatur, IL and Quincy IL. All I have as a souvenir is a cookbook that came with a Bradford fondue pot. I no longer have the pot. My daughter lives in Santee now!!
Patti , I worked in the Wichita store as a stockman in part of 1960 and part of 1961 and moved to Oxnard, Ca with store manager Jack Readon
Pete vaughan says:
My older brother, Dan, worked for W.T. Grants and started in Spokane,Wa., he He was transfered to Santa Rosa,Ca, Medford,Oregon, Somewhere in Montana, i think Kalispel,
and i think another in California,, and last location was in Spokane,Wa. I think he liked working for grants, and i think he was an assistant manager or manager of the stores.I read somewhere a while back that they provided good ethical training for their managers.Its possible that you may have known my brother.
jim case says:
pete, I worked as an assistant mgr at the
grants store in the northtown shopping center the last part of 1964 and early 1965 Jim Case
Jango-dylpickle says:
according to my mom, she can still see those grants hot dogs. she would buy 2& sneak them in the theatre across the street! she even buttered our hot dogs for me and my sister, but she says she came nowhere near the taste of grants. she was so hurt when it went outta business in the 70’s. wish i couldve tasted them the wayy everyone is bragging on them. guess i’m just missing out on everything, w/ my 12 y.o. self.
PS: she told me not to put her age.. she’s 51.. XD
Cheryl Weisker says:
My friend, Joyce Bowman, helped me get a job at W.T. Grants on Folsom Blvd. in Sacramento, CA. After a few months my brother, Conrad, and my boyfriend, Gary Kurns, were hired. My brother and boyfriend had previously worked for McDonald’s across the street. We had so much fun and met so many nice people working at Grant’s. More of the people are still my friends to this day. All of us must be in our sixties. Those were the good old days.
Your RIGHT about the GOOD OLD DAYS!!!
Carl Carlson says:
Call me and lets catch up
joe rauffenbart says:
I remember Grants in Moorestown, N.J., it was right next to the A&P grocery store, they had everything! As a kid you could go in there with 50 cents and come out happy. My mother still lives in town and still has an old Christmas album from the early sixties with the Grant’s label on it. That’s actually how I found this site, I was looking for old Christmas albums from the 60’s
Bill Hafker says:
I remember the W.T. Grants store in Hyannis,mass as i lived on Cape Cod. Grants had an entrance on Main street and a side entrance in a large parking lot. It always had a lot of interesting items and remember when it closed in 1975. Another piece of Americana gone.
rick sanders says:
my mom use to manage the little restaurant at grants in ionia michigan, ma still has coffie cups from there and i still have a bradford stereo and still works
the little restaurant was called the skillet. I managed the one in willow grove pa. started as a dishwasher for $1.25 an hour, went to a cook for $1.50 , then manager for $1.75 per hour !
In 1955, we moved to Decatur, GA and in the Belvedere Plaza Shopping Center there was a WT Grant store. It was originally one floor, but after Thanksgiving, they opened a stairway to the lower level that became Toyland along with Christmas merchandise. In the early 60s, the store was remodeled. They put in a lunch counter with booths, like Woolworth’s had and they made the lower level a permanent part of the store with appliances, plants and the pet department and stuff. One of the most outstanding things I remember seeing for sale at Grants were individual goldfish in 5″ by 4″ plastic bags that were attached to a display board. The top of each bag was folded over with a paper label stapled to it. The lunch counter cooked the frozen French fries on the grill, under a cover and when they were served, they were so hot you could not eat them. They made the coffee in old-fashion glass vacuum pots where the water gurgled up from the lower bowl to the top bowl and then after a minute or two, they turned off the heat and the coffee went back down. We moved before the store went into a decline and I don’t think I went into another Grants after that.
Great memories Tom.
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Dan Kramer says:
I started with the WT Grant Company in Davenport Iowa in 1965, entering their Credit Manager Training Program following my two years of business school. Following the training program, believe it was only 120 days, I was promoted to Credit Manager of the WT Grant store in St. Joseph, Mo. As the Davenport store manager was informing me of my promotion, he glanced at my personnel file and noticed I was only 20 years old. Apparently, he had completely overlooked the fact that I was underage when he hired me into the training program. To make a long story short, the manager was eventually able to get an age exception from the company’s bonding company and I subsequently moved to St. Joseph, Mo., as the youngest credit manager in WT Grant history.
I left Grants in 1969 to start a new career path. During my four years with them, I was promoted/transferred from Davenport, Ia. to St. Joseph, Mo. to Kansas City, Mo. to Des Moines, Ia. to Granite City, Il. to finally Louisville, Ky. Since I was single at the time and had very little personal property, they could move me very cheaply! And, at the drop of a hat. I could literally (and should) write a book on my experiences with Grants. Because of my then very young age, limited training and absolutely no prior managerial experience, the learning curve was straight up. Yet, as I look back on that time, it was one of the most difficult, yet awarding times of my life.
Was your Manager Al Heilmann. I think he was in Davenport in the 60’s. I worked for him in Saginaw, Michigan.
Have you written that book yet? I would love to read more about Grant’s!
I worked in the Bradford House Restaurant in North Andover in the late 60’s as a dishwasher. Mr Casey ran the place and trained other’s to run restaurants. He was a greatguy.
Does anyone remember, was there a Grants store in Casa Grande AZ? I’m trying to remember the store that was there before the KMart went in. I can’t remember if it was a Grants or not. Help, I’m going crazy trying to figure it out.
Chuck H. says:
My uncle lived there and said he thought that it was a JM Fields store, but not 100% sure.
There was a Grants in Warsaw, Indiana that was part of a brand new shopping center in the fall of 1968. I married and moved to Warsaw in 1973 and my husband and I bought our first vacuum, a Bradford compact sweeper that looked just like an Electrulux. It was an excellent sweeper and only konked out a few years ago after I gave it to my son for his apartment and the motor died because he never changed the bags!! How funny that just today I was cleaning out my basement and found a pair of brown shoe laces in the original package that were the Grants brand. Price was 2 for 27 cents. The store is now a K-Mart.
Bob Hardin - Warsaw, Indiana says:
W T Grant in Warsaw took over a new building that A & P Supermarkets built at the then new Shopping Center on the east side of Warsaw. There was also one in Wabash, Indiana, at the intersection of US 25 and IN-15. There was also one in Vermont in the Arlington, Bennington, Manchester area. I shopped Grants stores wherever U traveled and felt it was a good store for shopping. W T Grand made a habit of taking over closed box stores at the time, keeping their cost down.
Dave Pomeroy says:
I worked at Grants pt as a college student at the Culver Ridge Plaza in Rochester, NY for a couple of years back in the early-mid 1970’s. The store seemed old fashioned to me as I recall and we were paid in cash. I guess checks or direct deposits were not available to us at that time. Very traditional…women as section managers, cashiers and clerks and men as store managers and assistants. I recall one of our managers starting to sell yarn at a discounted price and before long we had huge boxes of yard overtaking the store. It must have been tough on managers at they seemed to get relocated every year with little or no notice. (Friday told to be in another city on Monday)
The best thing to happen to me at Grants was meeting my wife there….she was a clerk and I was a stockboy. Later I sold Bradford furniture and appliances on draw/commission earning about $100.00/week. I really miss those days and the people I worked with. I often wonder whatever became of them once Grants went bankrupt. Wish there was a way to contact a few of them. Oh well. Anyone who worked in the Rochester, NY area feel free to email me at dpomeroy@rochester.rr.com
Worked in Rochester in the 70’s
Were you manager of the Culver Ridge store in the early 1970s? A Mr Ryan was manager at our store when I was hired.
Linda W S says:
My mother, Hazel Wood, worked at the Culver Ridge Grant’s in the late 70’s and early 80’s. She passed away in 2002.
I remember the wonderful Grants in the Shop City plaza in Syracuse…they had coloring contests for kids in the Bradford restaurant portion of the store for every holiday. My Mom had a Bradford stereo that ran like a top for about 20 years before the turntable belt broke. They also had a nice dress shop there.
Pam Foust says:
I worked at the Bradford House in Madison, Tennessee in 1974. I was a newlywed and had just moved here from California. Didn’t work there long because of their closing but was thankful for the job while it lasted.
Don Lampert says:
Does anyone remember the Grant’s store in downtown Buffalo, NY? I never went to it when it was open but about 1979/80, a few of us from the Shea’s Buffalo Theatre, salvaged things from it before it was torn down – too bad- it was a Raymond Loewy designed Streamlined building (like the Greyhound bus station up the street) Two stories with a basement, that sat on the corner of Main and Genesse streets. The first time I walked in the front door, I was taken aback about how stunning the space was (even in it’s dark and dirty state)
I have several pieces of furniture from the offices – two original Alvar AAlto tables that are now worth a bit of money! We also got original streamlined lighting fixtures that were beautiful, and more. What a shame that it’s gone!!!
Oops, I made a mistake, the Grant building in Buffalo was at Main and Huron Sts. It was larger, but similar to the Eckhardt building that still stand on Broadway in Buffalo!
Lorraine Walters says:
I used to go to Grants in Jamaica,New York when I was a litte girl.My mother and I used to go and get the most delicious Hot Dogs.They used to butter the rolls. I used to get candy from there. I love that store.
Denise Flanagan says:
I worked at W.T. Grants in the Regional office in Dedham in the early 70s for 3 years. I worked for the Advertising Manager — I was 18 or 19 years old and he was 24 years old and I thought he was so old! He was great to work for. I remember that Leonard Nimoy’s mom had worked in either the Hyde Park or Mattapan Store. I remember the ladies I worked with all did knitting and hairpin lace on their lunch breaks and coffee breaks. Before you knew it I was making hairpin lace afghans. They were also pretty busy on breaks with bargello. I was there when we found out that the company went bankrupt. We found out when one of the local TV stations called us wanting to interview the
Regional manager about this – instead of hearing from the NY office – we were shocked because we thought we were working our way out of bankruptcy. We had plans to move the office to Salem, NH and I was getting a promotion. But things just didn’t happen that way. I was called to my bank because my payroll check had bounced. Luckily, I had enough money in the bank to cover it. I remember the managers in the office working until 2 in the morning trying to decide which people should be demoted, or let go in the New England Region Stores and It was tough for many of the New England Office -some had been working for W.T. Grants since they were 14 and now they were in their 60s. All of the stocks they had became worthless. I remember Fortune Magazine did an article on W. T. Grant’s. Some of the men in our office were interviewed when they were at the Grant’s building in NY. Fortune Magazine then called it Grant’s tomb. Those final days were tough. And having to fire many worthy and hardworking employees was quite stressful for them. It was tough on the older secretaries who had worked with the Grants family for over 50 years. It was a historic time to work there and there were many interesting people to work with.
Steve McVicker says:
I worked at WT Grants in Stratford, NJ from 1973 to 1976. When they went out of business I went back and tried to buy our old Santa suit, but it had already disapeared. I started as a janitor and worked my way up to sales and department manager. I remember the 10% employee discount and that we were paid in cash!
Greg Mowrey says:
I remember being at the grand opening of Grants at the Middletown Mall in Fairmont WV. It was one of the original anchors for the mall. Sears was the other. I was 12 and when my mom would work afternoon shift my dad would always take me to the Bradford House for dinner. They had all you can eat specials every night. Fish Friday, Spaghetti Saturday, Liver and onions Weds, fried chicken on Thursday and I can’t remember the others. I think it was 2.98 for a meal. Grants was a kids dream store. the Pet Dept. was huge and being a country boy, they had one of the biggest gun departments in town. My first couple of guns came from there. The Christmas Dept was as big as anyone has today and I still have a couple of Christmas albums from there. It was so much easier to be impressed back then. Everyone has been there done that now. Nothing to be amazed at anymore!
My Dad helped open up the Fairmont Grants store. That was his job was to open up new Grant’s stores.
The WT Grants at 59th and Camelback Ave. in Phoenix, Arizona had the bsst hot dog buns. They were actually squared and they toasted them on the grill. They were awesome. I havn’t found them anywhere since. For a kid, they were heaven.
i remember those buns yes they where good , my mom was a manager of the little restaurant at grants
Bill Nickerson says:
What were the hotdogs they used?
Jessica Landry says:
I believe they.were.made.by hormel…
Or Armour Star…
Howard Johnson’s rolls…
I started working in the Gouverneur, NY store as a part time stock clerk for 53 cents per hour. Later I returned to be Credit Manager in the same store. Manager was Ralph Skillings. I was then transferred to open stores in East Greenbush, NY and Hudson, NY. then worked as Credit Manager in Westgate Shopping Center in Albany, NY and downtown Troy, NY. Great learning experience.
Nadine Brown-Silver says:
I worked at the Grant’s in Troy Plaza on Hoosick Street,in Troy, NY., my last two 1/2 years in high school from about ’67-’70. Does anyone remember Bill Dowling, the manager of the Bradford House Restaurant at the Troy Plaza Store? It was such a great place to work, lot’s of good memories.
I remember Mr. Kenny in the Latham store. I was in the large downtown store in Troy. I wonder what has happened to the store now???
I remember Mr. Kenny he was our manager for a short while, what a nice man. I was in Troy the other day the Troy Plaza store is now a Big Lot’s.
And the Latham store is now Hobby Lobby and A.C. Moore…
Bill Deuval says:
Jim: I remember you worked for Grant’s, but I don’t recall you being at Westgate. I do remember that the built a collection center in the basement of the store. Is that where you were??
Sterling Hawkins says:
Bill not sure if I got the right guy but did you work in the Grant stores in York Pa. I remember we had an interior decorator who worked with us I think he shared your name. I believe he moved or lived in Servena Park Md. Would love to hear from you.
Sterling, I remember you. I think you were the operations or merchandise manager in York when it closed and Carl Woods was the manager. I was the manager of store 901 in Lancaster. Mike kmosales@aol.com
When were you at the store in Westgate Shopping Center? I worked there when Gerry Lalonde was the store manager.
Gerry was the manager when I worked there. I was credit manager with Mrs Seaver as my asst.
My father-a WTG manager-had a friend who was manager at the Gouverneur store. We visited him when my brother started at St. Lawrence in the early 60’s. I do not remember his name, but he remembered rocking me in a rocker when I was a baby.
brian dolly says:
how about the grants store in elizabeth nj
Theresa Gately-Basinger says:
I worked at W.T.Grants when I was still in High School in 1975. I worked at the Bradford House Restaurant in Grants in Bedford, Indiana. It was the second job I ever had. I remember my blue and white waitress uniform I had an apron with it too. I loved that uniform and all the people I worked with, we had a wonderful time together. I remember them talking about closing down and talking about Bankruptcy, but I didn’t even know what Bankruptcy meant at the time. I am 53 years old now.
Dan Gilman says:
WOW- MY YOUNGER SISTER AND I REMEMBER THE STORE IN DOWNTOWN GLENS FALLS NY (HOMETOWN USA) AND WE REMEMBER THE TURTLES TOO. WE ONLY GOT TO LOOK, NOT BUY, I DON’T THINK WE EVER GOT TO EAT AT THE LUNCH COUNTER- BUT WE WANTED TO!
PETE BAKER says:
Does anyone out there remember were the W. T. Grant store was located in Manchester, NH?
I’m interested in that myself!!!
Michael Lopez says:
I remember…I started a WT Grants in 1967 in Vista, California as a bus boy in the Bradford House Restaurant. In 1969 I turned 18 and was allowed to begin the food service management training program. I was the youngest manager in the company. It was a great experience and I will never forget. I was transferred to Santa Maria, Ca. and was made the manager of the small luncheonette there.
After about 2 years I was then transferred to Simi Valley, CA. to a larger store and did very well. I was still the youngest manager in the chain at 20. I was fired because I terminated a waitress that was the daughter of a Simi Valley city councilman. That was the end of my short career at WT Grants.
Interesting story about the Santa Maria WT Grant store. I grew up there and used to visit the store with my family. Once, this must have been about 1974, we were having lunch at the Bradford House. The waitress was wearing a button that read something like “your meal free if we don’t say ‘thank you’.” Well, she didn’t, and smart-aleck little 10-year-old me said “we get our lunch free!” Mom was mortified, told me to be quiet and that was the end of that!
Other store managers:
Ralph Skillings
Gerald LaLonde
Art Papas
Any one know of them?
I remember W.T. Grant/Grants very well. There were several of these in Jacksonville, Florida, where I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s. It was one of the places that my Mom took us to shop for Christmas presents for our siblings. It was also the place she sent me in to buy something while she ran next door to Winn-Dixie. I was getting her item off the shelf on one side and I heard something on the other side fall. The next thing I knew, the manager came around the corner yelling and screaming at me for knocking something down on the other side and running around the corner to act like I didn’t do it (which I didn’t). When my Mom came looking for me she told them what she had sent me in for and that something was on the aisle the manager found me at. It all ended quietly, but I never liked going into that particular Grants anymore.
I worked for Grants in Pittsburgh..Crafton Ingram, Latrobe, Leetsdale, Canonsburg and New Kensington and Downtown. I recall that Wood St. store had what seemed like a mile long lunch counter that wrapped around the windows and walls..best hot dog in Pgh !!
Kay Hanichak Porr says:
My mom worked at the Grants at the State Rd. Shopping Center in Cuyahoga Falls, OH back in the 60s. She bought me the cutest “cricket rocker” for my bedroom. I think it cost 12 dollars. I am getting ready to recover it – the chair is like new! Sure wish they made things that sturdy now! I have fond memories visiting her there when she was working.
Here’s a good one! My sister and I went there to Christmas shop and bought my Grandpa a tie. We purchased a box for 10 cents for the tie and ended up getting charged only for the box. We didn’t realize it till much later. It was my Grandpa’s favorite tie and he was buried in the 10 cent tie!
Pam D says:
I’am looking for someone that worked at the Grant’s in San Jose, Ca. in 1971. I worked there right out of high school. Anyone else ?
1 February 2018 at 1:25 am
Susan H says:
My mom worked at WT Grants in Cahokia, Il. She started as a sales girl and worked her way to HR manager. She worked there until the store closed in 1976
I am attempting to locate her pension from her years at the store.
Does anyone have any information on the pensions and who oversees them.
It would be greatly appreciated.
The Grant Company made a pay out (Check) for the younger group when the Company went out. I was in my mid 30’s and received my retirement in a lump sum.
Ann Kerr says:
You need to go to Google The National Registry of Unclaimed Retirement Benefits–hope you get it! God Bless You!
i worked for w.t.grant;s in new haven,ct.my buddy clem started working there after school part time and when he finshed high school worked full time.he wanted me to get ajob there because it was a great place to work.he was going with a girl who worked in the office.i went to work there part time as a collector for the time payment dept.that an the green stamps along with white good appl. were the start of the end of grants;s it had a good store mangr.who ran a good store.the corp.office made some very bad deals.the store had 3 enterences chaple st.center st.and orange st.it true the food was good,prices were good they moved a lot of goods.any one remeber the parrot polly?i went on to other jobs,clem went into the service.went back to work after and stayed till the end.
What ever happened to Clem? When I worked there he was the guy who did the receiving of merchandise on the dock in the back of the store. I know he married that girl who worked in the office but they later got divorced.
Barbara J. Wood says:
I worked at the W.T. Grants store in the Norton Ohio Shopping Center, starting when I was 16. The store was across the street from the High School. I worked there after school, Saturdays and summers until college.
No one, but me, wanted to manage the Pet Department. I enjoyed the hamsters, birds, and fish. I also took orders for the Furniture Department.
I liked working for the W.T. Grants Co. Unfortunately, the deductions from my paycheck for social security were never sent in, according to the Social Security Administration. The credit for those years of work would make a difference to me now. Can anyone remember 1963 through 1966? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
lawrence taliercio says:
DO I miss grants? you bet. love at the five and dime, I was GAIL’S beou at the bay shore store, she was not a beer drinker, all these years later i still miss her, be safe gang, always larry
I worked for Grants Dept Store, in 1974-75, after school. I think located somewhere between Edison and Woodbridge NJ. I remember some employees’ names like…Evelyn G.,Mr. Griener, George Papas. LOL long time ago.
it was in clarke n j , right off the parkway. i was a restaurant manager in willow grove pa, and checked out that store, as i was offered a promotion, but turned it down.
Does anyone remember Cal Raleigh, manager of Grants City in Antiock, Ca. in the 60’s and early 70’s?
Toni Banks says:
Do I remember Grants! They had the best hotdogs ever! I remember shopping downtown Paterson, NJ for Christmas and stopping to get a hotdog with my sister. Those were the days! I couldn’t belive they closed down.
Christa Bolen says:
Do you remember where in Paterson it was located?
It was where C.H.Martin is.
Cliff Herring says:
W T Grants was my second job, I started at the Peekskill NY store while in high school at 45 cents per hour working in the stock room and helping out at the luncheonette. A second manager was my best man at my wedding, Norman Klingensmitt (guessing)when I left in 1967 my pay was a big $1.65 1/2 cents.
Sandy Bower Alderson says:
I remember working at Grants in Newport, RI from 1970-1972. It was a great place to work. Most everyone was a “Navy Wife”. We developed good friendships that we still have to this day. I remember Mr. Kenny. All the mangagers were so young!! Of course, I was too then. Barbara Streisand came in one day to buy an iron!! My friend waited on her.
PEARLINE HARRIS says:
I REMEMBER THE WT GRANT @ NORFOLK VA IN THE 60’S. MY COUSIN, BUNNY WHO WAS ALSO MY BEST FRIEND RODE THE BUS THRU TUNNEL FROM PORTSMOUTH VA TO BUY THE BEST HOT DOGS IN THE WORLD. I AM ALMOST 65 AND MY COUSIN HAS PASSED ON I MISS MY COUSIN & WT GRANT HOT DOGS.
Yes, those hotdogs were the best I’ve ever had! I wish I could make them. The hot fudge sundaes were the bomb too. Food was so much better when you ate out, in those days!
I always made Fresh Manely Popcorn around 10:30AM. Sold bunches at 10 cents a bag.
Bill Remington says:
What an intersting blog for those of us who worked for the W T Grant Co. I am amazed at how many comments on the hot dogs, the All YOu Can Eat specials and the Bradford House Restaurants. I worked for Grants from 65 until 73 first in the NY home office as Personel and Operating Manger for the Bradford House Restaurants and snack bars all over the country and later as New England Regional Food Service Manage. Those 8 years were wonderful. Grants had great managers and great executives. The bankruptcy in 75 was totally unnecessary. It broke my heart and everyone in the company whose retirement plan consisted of Grant stock which become worthless.
I worked for Grants in Racine, WI. I was there the last day we closed the doors for ever which was December 5, 1975. We were all sad and just stood there looking at the empty store. I did everything from payroll to unloading a semi one day when the stock boy was not there. A funny story….one day when I came in to open the store the front door was open and I thought that is odd I locked the doors…when I went over to the safe which was located right under a merchandize table the safe was straight up and down just like a door when I went to unlock the safe the whole door of the safe just fell right on the floor. I stood there in shock only to realize we had been robbed. I still have a few items from Grants like the stainless cream pitcher from the resturant that my husband and I still use every day. That has been 35 years. I will always have my love of W T Grants as that is where I met my husband. He and his dad came in everyday for coffee and on our next wedding anniversay it will be 35 years going strong and still drinking coffee. I live right around the corner from the old Grants in Racine, WI the store is now a Dollar Store but when the light hits the building just right you can still see the name W T Grants written on the bricks.
I remember WT Grant, Woolworth, and SS Krege all next to each other in Middletown, CT circa 1954
Carl Bellini says:
I worked for WTGrant’s for 23 years. I started as a stockboy while going to college in the Somerville,Mass store. I was fortunate enough to work my way up to Vice President but I was named VP in May1974 , I moved my family to Atlanta in July. Bankruptcy was declared in Sept and in Dec we closed over 300 stores from Florida to California.What a roller coaster ride.
But other than this, the memories were all good. Grants was like a big family. Most people never left the company. We had mostly long term employees , so we knew each other really well. I am 77 now so many of my friends are no longer with us. But to those that are, I wish them a very happy holiday season.
Ron Letch says:
Carl.
It was graet to find this blog and to read your entry. I still miss the company and all of my Grant family.
Mary H. MacDonald says:
Hi Carl
I also worked at W.T. Grants in Davis Sq., Somerville, Ma. During the summer of 1964 or 1965 and again for a short term in 1966. Met so many people and even though I am from Canada and haven,t been in contact
With those great folks since. I have the names of some of them and would love to connect. I am 67 now —went back to Davis Sq. years ago but Grants was no longer there:(:(
It was good to see your note. I published “Grant Memories” (a news letter) for over 20 years after Grants went out. It was a way to keep people advised about their old friends.
Missed those “Grant Memories” Connie.
Ray Snyder says:
We all miss you and your notes about WTG.Do you know who the Oper. Mger was in the Ypsilanti MI store was in 1974 or 1975. I was the store mger before I become DM in Chicago in about that time, and I would like to contact him. My email is rlsnyder@bspeedy.com. I know the MM mger was Tony
Would you happen to have copies of those “grant memories”
I worked for Grants from 1970 to 1975 in Mcallen Texas. They were the best years.Started in the candy department and worked my way up to a department manager.
I can still smell the popcorn and candy section.
We also had the soda fountain where I made some of my best friends.
Hi Carl. Would you have a list of employees from the San Jose Ca store by any chance? Or how i could get one from 1971-1972?
Wes Tredo says:
Carl;
great to hear your blog. Those were the days. I remember you had a car stolen I believe out of the Boston airport. I miss all the great people, be well.
Wes Tredo
Sandra Nichols Starinsky says:
I worked at Grants when I was 16 until I was 18. It was the best job I ever had. This was in the 50’s and I made friends that I still have all these years.
This was in Buffalo N.Y.
John Ryan started Grants on Niagara Falls Blvd.Tonawanda Ny 1970 Jack Kivate was mng.He went on to run a chang Grants owned in Fld.
I have something that I believe is very unique. While looking in the attic I found 2 pairs of W.T. Grant’s Size 7 Women’s Waterproof Fashion Boots in their original boxes. What’s amazing about these are that they have NEVER been used. One pair is black and the other is dark brown. They both have perfect high heels.
I worked in the Oak Lawn, Il. store. Started when I was 16 and stayed till they closed 5 years later. I worked with a lot of great people.
I was the DM for that store, my store mger was Ray something, Did you work for him. I remember we couls not keep My email is rlsnyder@bspeedy.com
MVFlyer says:
I remember the Grant’s in East Patchogue, NY (on the south shore of Long Island). We used to go there for much of our stuff. For some weird reason, I recall the acronym DIFIWFTA (dessert is free if we fail to ask) on pins on the waitress uniforms in the Bradford House restaurant. And I loved their iced tea, which on LI at the time was only available in the spring and summer.
do you remember the steer inn on sunrise hwy. ?
it’s funny I just came across a WT GRANT’S MANU FROM BRADFORD HOUSE BREAKFAST SPECIAL 89 CENTS
Wow, this is great. Here I am sitting and going through some old stuff I have and I came across a shoe horn/brush set that my brother and his wife bought me for Christmas around 1968 or 1969, not sure which year. I know they bought it at W T Grants store on main street in downtown Johnstown, Pa. because that was on the box the set came in. Boy, I wish I had kept that box. I do remember the good times at the store. My brothers and sisters would spend hours in there, more around Christmas time. Loved the smell of peanuts and hot dogs. The store had everything you could think of. I miss the good days of shopping downtown at Grants and all the other stores too.
Jenny Myers says:
I don’t remember Grant’s but my father in law was the manager of the Newark, OH store for several years. After it closed he opened a small market close to home. That has been in business for 34 years. My husband now runs the store. We have W.T. Grant grocery carts.
My dad was assistant manager at the WTGrant Co in Newark, Ohio, then Manager of the Grant’s store in Health Ohio in the 60’s-70’s until they closed. I started there when I was 15 working for 85cents/hr when I was in high school I can remember them selling birds and spider monkeys. Once someone opened the cage doors and they all got out and we had to catch them all. The lunchenette was wonderful. good ole fashioned milkshakes and the grilled hotdogs. We had a “toyland” on the 2nd floor every year at Christmas time. You could go up there and watch the annual lighting of the Courthouse from the windows which was the begining of the Christmas season. I used to go to work with my dad on some Saturdays and follow him around. They had one of them old “open” elevators which was like a big crate..It was fun to ride. Everyone that worked there was like one big family. It’s just not them same anymore. It was a very sad day when they closed the doors for the last time. I still look for and find items with “Grants” on them at flea markets. When I was working there in high school seems like I always had a “layaway”..bought my 45’s and albums there. Still have some of my albums. My dad(he’s82) still visits with some of his coworkers. We had a “candy lady” Mary- she kept the candy sections spic and span..you didn’t leave fingerprints on the glass counters!!! she was always wiping them off..had some of the best chocolates there!!!
Don Belleville says:
It was nice to read comments from Jim Randall and Carl Bellini. I worked in the Credit area in both the Albany, NY district and the NE district out of Middleboro, MA. Lots of names passed by when I read of their comments.
Where are you now Don?
Randalljd@prodigy.net
My Dad was the personnel manager in the downtown syracuse new york store. I ended up working in Horseheds ny — for Dick Butler then in Binghamton ny for Mr. Lynch and then in Oswego ny for Larry Canele and all those stores had Bradford House Rest. They buns that they use are noe called new england stye in the area I live in now.
Hal,
Do you remember Dolph @ #925 ?
Vague on that but the more I think of it the more fimilar it seems
Hal , That was Dolphin Cranston I believe. ArtSchad
925 !!!
Was that Ken Lynch? worked with him in Canandaigua ny
Donna Nichols says:
Hi Hal–I worked at Grants downtown Syracuse part-time from 1959-1961 while going to high school and college. Your father was personnel manager at that time. I’m guessing he has passed away? Anyhow, a woman I worked for, Maybelle Wright, passed away this week and I wondered if you or a family member remembered her, or anyone else who may remember her. Thanks
Hi sorry but I do not remember her
I worked with a Ken Lynch in Canandaigua,Ny he was retired worked part time,friend of Pat Kelly DM.
Karen Spilar says:
I remember the store in downtown Johnstown,Pa. I remember the little turtles, had several as a kid. I also recall several appliances bought there later. Theese appliances all carried the ” Bradford ” name. My sister and I were trying to remember the name of a small Hardware store on Vine or Market Street, when I stumbled on tour page. Thanks for the memories.
Karen, I don’t remember the hardware store and I should. I worked at Penn Traffic for two years and ate at Tick Tock restaurant almost everyday. You just mentioning Vine and Market streets brought back memories
J.A. Honeycutt says:
Does anyone remember a W.T. Grant’s store in Corpus Christi, TX during the 1950’s. I believe it moved twice. Trying to locate where the last location, what stores it was close to, did they have credit during 1955 and what did they sell?
J.Honeyctt
1959 city directory lists it at 209 N.Chaparral St.
Joe Smith says:
Worked briefly pt at the Clark, NJ Grants in the early 1970s during high school. Worked in the furniture dept. making some home deliveries and then in the stationary dept. Talk about boring. Walking around for four hours trying to look busy straightening things ad nauseum. Yikes. I also worked one summer as a dishwasher in the Bradford Room on the dinner/late shift. After we finished up for the night, we helped ourselves to soda and ice cream. The BR was right next to the record dept. and one night the manager filled a shopping cart full of records and took them out to his car. I think he was eventually caught, but to see him take out a shitload of records. Unbelievable. Grants wasn’t too bad, though at the time I was too young to know what a crummy place it could be.
Alice Woodruff says:
I worked at W T Grant in Binghamton back in 1951. There was a fire in the building where it was housed this morning.
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jed woodruff says:
nice post .
pretty good fast food as i remember at bradford house and i’m not one to kid about fast food .
V. Davis says:
WOW!! ~ I am so glad to read everyone’s comments! It took me forEVER to find out where my Bradford Console was manufactured & sold. I had searched under ‘Bradford’ with no luck. My mom bought mine from a senior citizen who had to give up her apt. in the early 80’s. I’m selling it if anyone’s interested; the proceeds will benefit a ‘special needs mom’. Can email some pics. Reach me at vhmdavis@aol.com (San Jose, CA) ~ Thanks!
Willie L says:
Wow is right- it’s weird how thoughts about something or someone enters your head, you google it, and get here. The stories reminded me of all the things i had forgotten. I grew up in Norwalk California, don’t remember if the Grants was there or close by,, but my brothers and sister would go with my Mom and Dad. We would eat once in awhile at the restaurant which was always a rare and special treat. I remember the Hot Dogs, I remember the smells, the Toyland at Christmastime. I have lost my older brother now, my Dad is gone too. But the emails about Grants just triggered a flood of memories and special times I will never get back again. But will cherish in my heart, right next to the old hardware store my Dad used to take me to, Everytime I go into ANY home improvement store, I stay there for hours, looking at lamps, smelling lumber, just thinking of him. If we could just go back for 5min. But thanks to all of you.
DeiDei says:
I have the fondest memories of W. T. Grants on Market Street in Philadelphia, PA. I absolutely loved their hotdogs. I have eaten many hotdogs, but none have tasted as good as those bought from Grant’s. I wish I knew who the manufacturer was/is.
wish i knew the brand of hotdogs they used! the best i ever had!
Paul Salerno says:
Hey Dei Dei
I was merchandise manager in that store on market st from 1962 _1964 those hot dogs were made for grants by Armour Star . To grants specifications.
,Paul
Keith LePage says:
My father, Francis LePage, started as a manager trainee in 1958 in St. Petersburg. For the next 14 years he advanced through the ranks to store manager. Dad worked in St. Pete, Clearwater (1960), Tampa (1961), Bartow (1965), Panama City FL (1968), Concord NC (1969), Covington GA (1970) and Sandy Springs GA (1971). Working for Grants was like being in the military. You advanced via hard work and a wiilingness to transfer. All our clothes, furniture and housewares were from Grants. I remember popping popcorn in Covington for thirty cents an hour (Dad paid me out of his pocket) when I was 11 years old. It really was like a family. We went fishing with the sporting goods manager in Covington and had company beach parties while at the Florida stores. If anyone out there knew Dad, or has some memories to share, email me at ktlepage@yahoo.com)
Pam Martyn says:
My father was a store manager for WT Grants for a good part of his life. I believe he started in Philadelphia, got transferred to a store inToms River, NJ for two years, then for three years to Mount Holly,NJ. then finally to Somers Point, NJ. I started working at the Somers Point store when I was sixteen in the Womens Department. Our family wore clothes from Grants and most of all the best memory was every year around Christmas we got a 5 pound box of Whitman Chocolates from W.t. Grant. With 7 children that was special. I remember those little green turtles too.
i helped open the tomsriver and the mount holly stores apx 1964 or 1965
Gail Smith says:
I remember the box of Whitman chocolates my dad received every Christmas from 1962 to 1973 they never sent one Christmas 1974 because of the start of the bankruptcy. It was delicious
Debbie Vanden Bosch-Mast says:
So thats where our turtles came from. We thought Santa brought them. My mom Melba worked at one of the 2 stores in Muskegon , Mi. She worked at the store on Henry St.. My dad would take me and my brother to pick her up earily from work so we could look at the toys. I remember when they closed I was sad. Now it is a big lots. Some times when I drive by I get misty from all the memories.
Jerry Scouten says:
Hal Stalker-I remember you from #1276 in Auburn, NY. You were there as an asst. to open the store.
larry Canale says:
The good old days, Hot dogs, coffee, All you can eat. No one does it like Grants did. I managed Medina, N.Y. Shop city, Syracuse, Oswego, N.Y. Penn Hills,Pa. Washington, Pa. Johnstown .Pa. Penn Yen, N.Y. There have never been friends like we made at W.T. Grant
Hi Larry worked for u in
Oswego ny
My dad worked downtown Syracuse
Paul Nicholson says:
Hello Larry, I still remember training in Shop City when you were manager, Dick Stapleton was asst mgr. and Dick Barrows was there as well. 47 years ago!!! We pushed a lot of candy out back then. Hope you are well.
hey paul what are you doing now? Im pushing 81 and still working part time. for Castle. i certainly remember you and hal stalker. great time back in those old W.T. days.
You Worked in Penn Yan Ny I opened a store in Canandaigua ny Right up the street 15 miles north
Hey Larry
How are things we have some great memories with the grant family of friends. Don’t we? Like to hear from you
Larry I was a management trainee in your store in Johnstown Oct 71 to Oct 72 then moved to Camp Hill as an asst then Enola then my own store in Lancaster. Mike my emial kmosales@aol.com
I am looking for the popcron popper that was used at Grands department store. It was am Ari popper in which the popcorn fell in the a vat of butter for before falling into the holding tank.
Charles S says:
I remember Grants from the 50’s. I used to frequent the store in Stamford Ct. on my way home from grammar school. Yes, I bought a turtle and a special turtle bowl.
Bali says:
I own Grant electric deluxe ice crusher. It is in excellent condition.still in its original box . hardly used. Wants to know how much It was selling for that time. balibatra@yahoo.com
I owned one of those ice crushers too, unfortunately my pecker got caught in it
Joe Scofield says:
I worked at#424-Inglewood,Ca. from1970-74.then got transferred to #617-Venice,Ca. when Inglewood closed. That was my favorite job, working up from stock boy to Appliance Mgr. to Asst.Mgr. I worked for several different mgrs, Gordon Mudrow, Tom Miller, T Frank Seuss, and Charles Davis. Ken Munson was the Dist. Mgr. Please e-mail me if you remember anyone or have any good stories to share ! scojoe66@yahoo.com
ED HOPF says:
BOY I RMEMBER THE GRANTS STORE IN INGLEWOOD ON MARKET ST MY GRANDMOTHER AND I WOULD GO THEIR AND I WOULD ALWAYS GET MY HALLOWEEN COSTUMES AND DECORATIONS FOR THE HOUSE THEIR. THAT STORE WAS ALWAYS SO CLEAN AND I GOT ALOT OF MY SUMMER CLOTHES THEIR. GRANTS ALWAYS HAD NICE CLOTHES FOR KIDS
I also worked for Grants,I ran the Santa Fe Springs store and Ken Munson was the dm.
I ran stores in district 52, Larry Tratini was the dm. He was a real hard ass but fair.
I loved that company.
I still have all the mgmt training books, mgmt forms, menus, and act training brochure.
Call me and we can talk Grants.
Paul N. says:
After starting out in the home office I worked at Shop City Syracuse NY store with Larry Canale,Auburn NY, Liverpool NY,Northern Lights North Syracuse NY,Euclid Ohio,Brooklyn and Berea Ohio. Next up Norwich NY, Pittsburgh Pa. and Meadville Pa. Many friends along the way, especially a gentleman of a Mgr Sven Tunander in Auburn NY. All I have left is a silver
tea pot from the Bradford house and a lot of memories.
I remember the great food at he northern lights store and a train at Christmas in the parking lot you could ride . Sadly my first high school job was bill collections with all my Liverpool high classmates at the grants in Liverpool. It wAs going under and they were trying o collect from their credit card customers.
Brenda Weber Gale says:
I went to Liverpool High School, graduated in 1970 (yikes) and worked at Route 57 store when they closed in 1976. One of the most fun jobs I ever had.
My mom went to Liverpool High and worked there at the same time. My father, who I am looking for, was the restaurant manager at that time.
If anyone worked at the Liverpool store at this time and may be able to help me, please email me at shawnmichaelhamilton@gmail.com
Do you remember George Buchco
I remember the downtown Newark, Ohio store. Especially the lunch counter. The food was great. They had a special where you popped a baloon and got a sundae for anywhere from 7cents to 78 cents. I remember the stairway down to the basement where the pet department was and the stairway up to the second floor where at christmas time my first train set was purchased, actually my dad bought me two that one year. Sadly the building burned down a few years back and now an empty lot. The Heath, Ohio store building is still there but now a mixture of stores forming the Southgate Shopping Center.
Scott, I was the last manager in the Newark, Ohio store. I was stunned when they called me on the phone and said, don’t open up in the morning. We are bankrupt and going to liquidate. Very sad day. Art Schad
i worked at grants in the 70’s and also late 60’s love that place what ever happened to some of the people any one know im from latrobe pa
i remember my boss at the rt.30 store in Latrobe telling me cashier in the retaraunt to help out. they got busy all of a sudden. i got things going and when i went back to my register the girls said did you get their autographs i sai d why? they said you just waited on all the steelers. i never looked up from the register. i could have had many fromthe 70’s. they were up st.vincents at practice… what a dumby i was… just a memory pat
I worked in Latrobe in the early 70’s, Tom Shannon was the store manager at the time..where you there at the same time?
i dont remember a shannon mr.weis was my boss on rt.30 and on lincoln road shopping center Mr hertz was my boss.1963 at lincoln road and 1970 and 71 on rt.3o we must have missed each other ..nice to hear from you . always wonder what happen to all i worked with . a lot o older ones have passed away ty check in later pat spino
my father was a Grants store manager for many years, beginning in Elyria, OH, then going to downtown Pittsburgh, then Youngstown, then on to Hamilton, OH, where he married my mother who was a candy girl. About 12 moves later all across the mid-west, he left the company as manager of the downtown Peoria store after getting into an argument with his region managers over his not pushing credit apps enough. He got out before everything totally collapsed, but he did lose a lot of money. Everything we had then came from Grants. One of my fondest memories was the restaurants where my dad would let me order the fried clam dinner.
My dad was the store manager of the Youngstown store in Boardman Plaza I think that was the first shopping center in the United States. Eddie Debartola was the developer. He had great success with shopping centers and made enough money to by the San Francisco 49rs. From their my dad got transferred to the downtown Minniapolis store. I was in the 3rd, 4th and 5th grade then.
Bill Trainor ( same as my dad)
Madison Artinger says:
nice work, love your look, suits the site well 🙂
Randy Hill says:
Anyone remember a zoom shop atAuburn ny? where they had incense and other hippy stuff?
zoom shop was located in Grants
I worked on the crew that demo-ed the old grants in the Northern Lights plaza to make way for Two Guys.
J.P. says:
I remember Grants at Northern Lights and then Two Guys but I always thought Two Guys just took over the old building.
George Harrison says:
Started out as management trainee for Grants in Panama City,Fl.Sent next to Picayune,Miss.as asst.mgr.,then to Bay Minnette,Ala.Promoted to manager Mobile,Ala.then to merchandise mgr. New Orleans,La.which is where I was when the company folded.Very sorry to see that happen, as that was probably the best six years of my life and certainly of my retail career which lasted another sixteen years. Great company,Great employees,Ect. Still have the metal sign from over the door of the Mobile store that I was ask to close in 1975!
J. Ivey says:
I’m wondering if anyone knows of a Mr. Gargia who ran the Grants Store in Atlanta? I’m not sure if he was a manager or what his position was.
Paul Bavaro says:
Don Belleville and Carl Bellini.How strange, my first store managers position was in Middleoro across from the police station. Guess what store I was promoted from, that’s right, Rockland, ma. where I was an assistant for Carl Bellini. Carl was pobably the sharpest manager I trained under. He will remember me as he came looking for me one day to tell me the hospital called to tell me I was a father and what the hell was I doing at work. I ended up closing the Milford,Ct. store. Nothing but great memories til the unfortunate end.
Bob M says:
I worked for Grants from 1968 to 1973, in Nanuet, Monroe, Yorktown Hts and the Vailsgate, NY stores. Would like to hear from anyone from those stores.
I still remember the party they gave me at the Vailsgate,Ny store when I left to pursue a career in Law Enforcement.
Doug Culhane says:
Hi, I was operations manager in Yorktown Heights and Vails Gate NY.
Would be nice to see if we know each other. This is a long shot.
Wes S says:
2 July 2013 at 7:47 am
Another District 10 (?) alumni! Started as credit trainee in 1968 at Port Chester then to Vail Gate. First store as Credit Mgr was Middletown, then Nanuet, next Poughkeepsie and finally Toms River NJ. In 1971. Left in 1975. Could have gone to the collection center in Woodbury NJ but decided it was best to move on.
Tom – I was at the Monroe opening. Terry Simmons was the Credit Mgr, Tom Miller the Store Mgr. Also recall Steve Gaskins (?) there as Asst Mgr, met him at Vails Gate.
Vails Gate – Joe Roberti (worked with Joe Jr at Pok) & Mike Joyce!
Wes S. Do you remember the Manager of Poughkeepsie store? I worked in credit from 69-71. My dad was Clyde Parker, Beacon store manager.
Wes Smith says:
Judy – I am guessing you were at South Road not Dutchess Turnpike. Archie Plescia was the Mgr at 1194 – Dutchess Turnpike. Was only in the South Rd store once (i think # 768) and may have heard their name but zero recollection.
Correction-
to Bob (not Tom)
John Miller was the store mgr
Steve may have been at Middletown not VG
Worked at store #50 down town Buffalo N.Y. from 1966 to 1972 across from the gold dome bank. Best time I ever had lots of nice looking high school & collage part time girls working there. Worked all over the store best dept. I ran was the record dept. Ah the Bradford House all the chicken you can eat on Tue. all the fish you could eat on Fri. If any one remembers or worked there let me know adwhitten44@yahoo.com
i wish more grant workers would find this site.would like to hear from them. thanks for bringing us this site. ty pat
Shirley Hoffman says:
I never worked for Grants but with my father and husband both store managers and Don a DM it was all I knew. I was lucky enough to get through school in Phila. but with all the moving we did ,it was hard on my four children. Of course we grew up on Grants clothes (especially loved the children pj’s). It was a great company to work for almost like family. Most of the men and women have passed that I knew, really sad. I met Mr. Grant at a convention. He was so nice and said he passed my Dad’s Grants store on his way into NY City by train. Dad had the Port Chester, NY store. Don was a DM in the Delmarva area all the way down to Blue Field on Piedmont. Still have a few Grant things old stocks, pictures, bike and a lite bulb and a son whose middle name is Grant plus lots of good memories.
I remember Don Hoffman. He was my district manager in Roanoke Virginia . He was tough , but an excellent D.M.
My dad Bill Hayes was the store manager was 1971 to 1975 at Parkside plaza Roanoke , Va. He is now 84 and lives in NJ. I remenber him mentioning his DM Mr. Hoffman.
don hoffman was our district manager. I was manager in Beckly wva and in Roanoke va. Im 70 yrs old now. I remember Don quite well. Is Don still around? I hope so . He was a tough but excellent dm.. Best wishes.
Sterling Pierce says:
don was my dm when I opened the grant city store in Radford, va. Great dm, tough but fair.
Bill did you manage the Grant City in Harrisonburg VA? I was the merchandise manager there for a while I know the managers name was Bill my email is kmosales@aol.com
Wow..Lots of good memories recorded here, and it looks like I am
not the only nostalgia freak…saw Louisville, Ky. mentioned. I was a stockboy between college years at a new store just opening
on Bardstown Rd. at the Watterson Expressway. I did all sorts of
packing and stocking, including cutting glass to make those little squares that used to hold small items on top of the counters of all the dime stores. This about 1970 and I remember the lady manager, unusual to me at the time, who was
desperately trying to make the store a success. I went back to school, and was surprised that the store was closed a few years later. Always wondered where Grant’s went. It being in the suburbs was unusual, but my mother worked at a Woolworth’s
for a while that was also on Bardstown Rd, but at the junction with Watterson TRAIL, almost to Fern Creek. As a kid who walked Fourth St. in Louisville through all the dime store toy depts.,
I miss those days and that marketing, and those products. We
had a Woolworth’s near here in Ohio that I about ? years ago
hated to see closed as they had socks I liked. Last Woolworth’s
I think I was in was in Superior or Globe, Arizona, looking for
those socks, about 1990. (they didn’t have them). Last Western
Auto I remember was in New Oxford, Pa. I shopped at all these
stores into the 1960’s, then came malls and K-Mart, and, poof, they were gone…
That store was the first store I managed. I was in asst. mger school in Indy and DM Art Brill said I did not need this school go today to be the manager. I do not rember the year should be in the late 50’s
My father was vice President of Grants out of NYC.
What was his name
i remember grants dept store with the wooden floors and the large stairway to the basement in altoona,pa i bought a lot of christmas albums there i am looking of one that i think i bought there with captain kangaroo telling the story of the littlest snowman of all and how he saved the town christmas tree and one with red skeleton as a tree ans santa explains to him why he is there does any one remember that album i loved the old stores nothing like that anymore
does anyone know Norman Vogel . He worked at the grant store in latrobe pa. i believe he was from Atlanta ty pat says hi
Bill layton says:
I was in the excelerated mgmt training program and managed stores in southern California, bellflower, santefe springs, riverside, Colton.
I loved the company. I knew Jim Manley from the popcorn company and he said that harts mountain, threw the company into bk.
I would love to talk to anyone who worked with me in those stores.
Thanks, bill Layton, blayton999@aol.com
Just read Paul Bavarro comments in December. Brought to mind lots of New England Region employees . Gerry Lalonde, Virgil Grignon, Vic Manych, Jim Randall, Ernie Cordeiro, George Layman, Bob King and the memories go on.
I seem to recall a Jimmy Diggs as Store Manager in Grants , Somerville,Ma., in 1965 or 1966 era. Another name of a gal I worked with was Christine Viccario, anyone know of them??
Doug Flagg says:
When I attended SUNY Albany (NY) in the early 60’s, I worked at the Grants store on Central Ave. where Gerry Lalonde was the manager. One of the nicest people I ever worked for. As a matter of fact, everyone there was nice!! Really miss those times. If I remember, it was the Grant City shopping centers that caused the failure.
Westgate was great with Jerry LaLonde. Remember Mrs. Seavey? And the appliance/furniture salesman in the lower level?
maaryanne says:
Worked at the one in plant city fl i was 15 worked all summer and my dad had to pick me up around 11pm when restaurant closed miss grant’s jm fields and zayre all great stores in florida a millon years ago maryanne
Pat Pinter says:
I worked at W.T.Grants in Barberton,Ohio Magic City Plaza. I was cosmetic Department Manger there. Mr Synder was store manger. Mr. Synder was by far my very Boss. I was 18 when he hired me. ( Back then W T Grant only hired middle age ladies) Cosmetic deptment was right behind the candy counter, its a wander I didn’t weigh 200 pounds, I ate alot of candy & hot peanuts. I loved working with all the middle age ladies., having lunch with them they taught me how to cook, clean. Judy Flecher also worked there.
Does anyone remember the Hand Made Easter Baskets? Thanks for the Memoies everyone!
Jean Lambert DeBoe Lee says:
I worked at W. T. Grant on Broadway in Gary, IN (Stationery Dept. Mgr. 1961-62) I loved the store, my co-workers and my job. It was my first experience in retail and very beneficial for later employment. It’s really sad that this company no longer exists. I moved to KY and lost track of all the people I worked with there, but would sure love to hear from anyone who was an employee during this time period.
cyndi wright says:
My sister, mom and I frequented the Grants store in West Garden Grove, CA ( Eastgate plaza ) during the 60s. We bought shoes, cheap perfume ( in dark blue bottles ) and candy out of the cases that had glass all around and the clerk would use a scoop to place candy in the little bags. Also, popcorn was always freshly popped and you couldn’t resist. Damn good! All within walking distance of our home.
June Manion says:
I think that perfume was called Evening in Paris. Beautiful bottle.
Does anyone remember the Diskay stores? It was a division of WT Grant that sold cheaper items that the Grant stores couldn’t sell.
I started working for Diskay in Jersey City, NJ in 1968 as the head (only) stock clerk. Saw a girl that was the boys dept manager on my first day and knew that day she was the one. We married 5 years later and she was my best friend for forty years until her death in 10/2007.
I came by this site while searching for some old pictures.
nice story i came by this site by accident and was glad i did. check in at least once a week to see if any of my old grant workers write in. no luck so far pat from latrobe pa
I do recall Diskay there were only a few of them. They were competition to the Kresge discount version I cant recall when Kresge called their version Mike my email kmosales@aol.com
Ernest Barfield says:
W.T. Grants opened in Myrtle Beach SC on the South end, when I was in High School. We would go with friends and eat their “ALL You Can Eat” Clams on Fridays.
I’m 70 Years old and I worked for Grants in The Parkfair shoppng center, in Des Moines, Iowa, 53 years ago!! I had a wonderful manager, and worked with some nice people. I remember fun times in the break room. I worked downstairs in the lamps and rugs.Sometimes I would have to help a customer in hardware and material, as those departments were close by. Each dept. had a cash register to run, too. It was an exteamly busy store, I recall the crowds at Christmas time. Fun memories.
Ed Bradish says:
Hal I remember you from Oswego. I also knew your father when I worked on Salina St. Paul I remember you from Berea and Brooklyn, Ohio. Larry—–I worked for you at Oswego—-from the snowstorm of “66” (102″ in three days) til 1969. I happened on this site because I was looking for the Grant’s hot dog recipe. Good Luck and good health to all and to your families.
Hi Ed — I remember u also — Hope all is well with u and ur fam
Ed , Old Oswego was great. Merl Gro, John T. All the beer drinking softball games. 80 years old now and still working part time, Live in LeRoy, Ny now Hal I never forgot all you guys.
I remember Mel also along with Margo Baker and Herb Tragesr
Give me a heads up on who i’m repling to
your old boss, larry
Forgot about this site until today Hope all is well
Larry I worked in Johnstown when you were manager Mike kmosales@aol.com
My husband Sanford Gray was working for WT. Grant from 1966 to1974 started in Anderson S.C.. Went to several stores as assistant manager and managed the store in High Point N.C. We meet so many wonderful people. One of them was Brad Dodway and his family. Also John Clark and his family. so many good times everyone was like family we all looked out for each other..What a shame the company went under.
John Scud says:
Oh the memories. Started as a stock boy in 1971 at store 1029 in Copiague, NY. Who could ever forget Mr. Miller, Eddie the stock man and Edna Mae? Worked up to be the local assistant and when I turned 21 I entered into the training program for store management at the Riverhead store. After nearly a year in training the company filed for chapter 11. I was then assigned to the Lake Ronkonkoma store until it closed in January 1976 then transferred to the store on the North Babylon/Deer Park border. After a short while there it was announced the company would be liquidated. Still pains me until this day to see ‘Going Out of Business’ signs in store windows knowing what the employees are facing in the future. Whenever I’m in NYC with either of my kids I always point out the MTV building to them telling them how I worked for the company the building was originally built for.
John Boyd says:
I have a rather wide photo from an annual outing in Indian Point Dated 1939 if anyone is interested in it. jbnhollywood@gmail.com
james a case says:
Hi everyone, I was with W.T.Grant from Oct 1960 until Oct 1965. I started work in the Wichita,Ks. store as a stock man, then transferred to Oxnard,Ca. as the receiving manager. Then to Renton, Wa. as the receiving manager , where I also went onto the management training program. Offically I was a divisional merchandiser but after Renton I fullfilled assistant manager duties. Next I transferred to Spokane,Wa. and then finally to Eugene,Or. If anyone was in any of those stores let know. Interestingly, I still have a Bradford record player and radio.
Mary Gauger says:
When were you in Oxnard. I knew some people in 1963 and 1964. Lost touch with all.
Chris Nicholas says:
Jan Harris … does anyone remember her? She worked at Grants, I don’t know which one, but she lived in Ridley Park, PA, and she said she worked in credit. She died in a car accident in 1975. Thx!
glennis arnott says:
yes i remember my aunt used to take me there for lunch all the time and at woolworths i believe in the back entrance used to be the ice cream counter mint chocolate chip was allways my favorite.
I think that what made Grants hot dogs so good was the bun. They used New England style buns and buttered them with a butter wheel or a brush and then toasted them on the grill. The dogs were heated on the rollers and served with a yellow mustard like Frenchs. You can see a photo at “the West Virginia hot dog blog.
Those hot dogs were the greatest. I would love to find one just like them again. You are right the bun was covered with buter and toasted. Yum Yum, my mom always took us three little girls and got us a hot dog and she got a piece of pie. Great memories of W.T. Grants!!!
Jim F says:
I went to work for WT Grants in 1967 in the toy shop for Christmas at Forest Park Ga and worked for them till 1975. I worked for Joe Howard at Forest Park and worked at Peachtree Street store during College. I went into the management training program in 1970 and was back at Forest Park and went back downtown as a co manager. The old four story building was known for its basement restaurant off Mitchell Street. Our back door went into Underground Atlanta. Then I went out to South Cobb Drive when they open a new store and ran a sporting goods and camera dept. I left Grants to go with Kmart in Jan of 1975 but my wife Sue worked at the appliance service center on White St. We could not get her checks cashed the last two weeks and we went to a store and the store manager cashed it for me. I was actually involved in a call made to a VP with Kmart when Grants tried to sell some locations to Kmart before the bankruptcy. I will never forget his answer when he said” let them fold and we will take their locations” which is exactly what Kmart did. My Grant days taught me discipline and a great work ethic. I only wish Mr Mayer and his mgrt team had stuck to that ethic.
Well Kmart got theirs. KARMA always has a say.
My name is James. I was about 14 when the stores closed. My great uncle Arie used to take me to our store in Jacksonville,Florida on the north side of town. He used to buy me breakfast there on the week ends and he flirted with the waitresses!
My grandmother Jewell (Arie’s sister) had WT Grants hangers in her closets until her passing in 1988!
I miss the times that I spent with my great uncle Arie and grandmother Jewell at WT Grants. I also miss the old A&W Root Beer places at Jacksonville Beach,Florida.
Art Schad says:
Bob Shaw says:
I worked at the WT Grant store ( #1030) in Cape May Court House, NJ while I was in high school from 1961-1962. Great people and I really learned a lot about being responsible for my work commitments. Is there a WT Grant “Alumni Club”?
I was wondering if there would be anyone from the Cape May Court House Store on here. I remember the pet section, it was always my first stop as a child.
And always a hot dog, they were so good.
I believe a Murphy’s may have replaced it.
It’s now a T.J. Maxx.
Bob did you ever find an Alumni club? Mike kmosales@aol.com
My dad worked at Grants in the early 70’s in Renton WA (renton highlands, now The Dollar Tree), Tacoma WA (was a movie theater) and Victorville CA. I remember getting Barbie dolls (2nd grade) and my little sister Tracy (2 yrs old) got Dawn dolls for Christmas. The toy section was great. I always thought we were so priviledged to eat at the little restaurant in the store because our dad worked there. Funny what little kids think. Happier times.
We had the most wonderful W.T. Grants in Kansas City North which was a suburb of Kansas City MO and also one right downtown in Kansas City. I remember the day they had thier close out sale, it was a sad sad day. I really loved that department store and they had the best hot dogs in the world at thier snack bar, I would love to find a hot dog prepared just like that again. Anyone remember those wonderful hot dogs?
Yeah, buddy!
I worked for Grants in the 50’s in Herkimer, NY. I worked vacations from college and summers. Mr. Hollar was the nice manager who encouraged me to go to college.
Interesting! Where was Grants located in Herkimer?
I also worked at W.T. Grants. The year was 1966. I remember Mr. Hollar and then I had a Mr. Richards or Richardson as my boss.
richard krisch says:
I was reading a magazine article about a study funded by William T. Grant. Reading the article prompted me to google WT Grant to see what happened to this venerable chain of department stores. Stumbled upon this website…
I grew up in Woodlawn, Maryland. Not far from my home was a WT Grant, located in a strip center near the Social Security Administration headquarters and across the street from Woodlawn High School. As an adolescent I would go the the Grants store and hang out. The clerks would play the latest LP albums when asked. I special ordered my first slot card at Grants from Nina, the toy dept. clerk.
In 1966 (I was 15) we got a new neighbor who also happened to be the new Grants store manager. His name was William “Bill” Harding. When I turned 16 he hired me as a stockboy for his store. He had an assistant manager by the name of Mr. Allen. A hard working southern boy who I believe drove a GTO.
I was eventually promoted to manage the hardware dept. There was even talk of me joining the company in their store manager training program.
When the downtown store closed a lot of folks transferred to the Woodlawn store. I remember the credit manager. A cranky old man who talked me into trying to go into the city one day to try and collect on delinquent accounts. Imagine me, a blond headed blue eyed white boy going into the poorest neighborhoods of Baltimore, going into 3 and 4 story tenaments trying to collect on some unpaid bill. This lasted all of one day.
During the riots after ML King was assasinated we had some shoplifters come into the store. They tried to sneak out of the store with a TV set under the dress of one of the women. Mr Allen and myself took out after them and caught up to them near the SS Admin. After a fight, in which one of them broke a bottle over Allen’s head we got the TV back. He was a true company man. Willing to sacrifice his life for a B & W portable TV. We came back to the store all bloodied and battered. The restaurant manager, an old gal named Cora, passed out at the sight.
Had a chance to go to Woodstock but decided against it because we had just received a big warehouse order and I wanted to get my merchandise put up. One of those forks in the road where you should have gone to the left instead of to the right…
Shortly after that incident Mr Allen was replaced by a guy who lived south of Baltimore. He used to revel us with stories of how his wife would insert beads up his butt while performing oral sex on him. The times they were a changin’….
Mr. Harding was quite the ladies man….I am fairly certain he had tried and proboably was banging a couple of the women who worked at the store, especialy a very attractive MILF that worked in the office.
Remenber the coupon books?…what a racquet that was. Bought one and then immediately paid it off to establish a yet to be blemished stellar credit record.
There was Ann (Womens) and Liz (Candy Dept) and Dorothy ( Curtains) and Mrs. Kennedy ( Menswear) and Nina (toys and pets), Bob Weinreich (Stockboy) and old Mr Purcell ( Stockroom)…Purcell, Harding and Allen used to buy me beer for our Friday and saturday night high school parties….my how times have changed….
Worked there from 1967 to 1970 before going off to college…..haven’t been back to Baltimore except for the occasional wedding and all to frequent funerals….if anyone remebers me drop me an e-mail…rgkdck@paonline.com
I remember a Bill Hayes as the manager. I was an assistant manager in Baltimore for 6 months in 1970 before I got promoted to the manager of the Beckly WVA. store. Im pretty sure his name was Bill Hayes, but I could be wrong.
My dad Bill Hayes was the manager of Grants in Baltimore from 1969 to 1971, then transferred yo Parkside Plaza in Roanoke Va . He is now 84 and lives in NJ I have now lived in the Roanoke/ Salem Va area for 47 years
Gail, That’s strange. When I left Beckly in 1971, I became the merchandise manager of the Roanoke store at Cave Springs shopping center. Tony Rivezzo was the general manager there. I don’t remember Bill Hayes being in Roanoke.I worked in Roanoke for 3 1/ 2 years till they closed. There was a big Grant City at Parkside Plaza in Brookhaven Pa.
Your father was a great and tough manager. I learned alot from him.
Please fill me in if I’m wrong. I live in Charlotte nc now.
Bill Hayes said he ran the Roanoke store till closed. He was there 6 or 8 years.
My dad Bill Hayes was transferred from Baltimore Md. to Roanoke, Va August 1971. He opened and managed the brand new Grants store ,at Parkside Plaza, on Dale Ave in SE Roanoke ,right next to Vinton Va. I have an article and picture of him opening up the store, it was published in the Roanoke Times & World News. My parents were friends with Tony & Mary Rivizzo. Tony was the Grant manager at CaveSpring Corners in Roanoke. I was a senior at Roanoke Catholic High when the bankruptcy was announced. August of 1975, the company sent my dad to Harrisonburg Va, to close that store down. He commuted, my family stayed in Roanoke. He was in Harrisonburg until November of 1975, then his days with Grants were over. He opened a Carvel icecream store at Cave Spring corners in 1976. In 1981 he returned to retail at CH Martin’s in Jersey City NJ. I have now been in the Roanoke Salem area for 47 years.
Gail I worked for Bill in Harrisonburg VA as a merchandise manager. Then I ran into him in NJ when he was managing a retail stores in NJ 9 some small chain, I cant recall) At that time I was a regional manager for Western Publishing company. Tell him I said Hi… me email is kmosales@aol.com
gratis rygestop says:
Thanks for every other excellent article. Where else could anyone get that kind of information in such a perfect manner of writing? I’ve a presentation next week, and I am on the look for such info.
Yes in South Jersey. Maple Shade, Moorestown , Mt Laurel area. Went there as a young marriedies for a family meal with our baby. Big dining out for a .39 breakfast. Wonderful memories. That baby is now 42. Anyone know the location…a 5&10 type store. My Mom worked there for a time to get Christmas for us. Precious.
DAVID C says:
I remember the grants in St.petersburg florida at northeast shopping center,used to go there on Friday nights for the all U can eat fish fry then when we were done we would pop a balloon to get an Bananna split from anywere from 5 cents to 75 cents what a hoot.
William Manes says:
Hi David C. just a note, my dad was the store mgr. at that store in St. Petersburg Fl, probably in the late 1950’s as I remember, and as a young boy, we were fishermen and would catch the fish for the fish frys he would put on. It was a great time in our lives. My dad was Bill Manes and the district mgr. was Gil Atwater. My Dad, Gil Atwater, his son, Al Atwater and I would go out every Sunday into the gulf and load up on Grouper and Kingfish and would bring them into the store for these events. They were good times for us all.
Ken Stewart says:
Mr. Radford was manager of the Bath, NY store and I had a crush on his daughter Sue. I also took her to the Bath Drive-in once.
I worked for Grants from 1970 Amherst ny, Opened stores 71 & 72, worked in Dunkirk ny. Elmira Ny (sexy blonde I hired there) Canandaigua ny Perry ny. Pam Kavin,Pat Kelly (district mng Rocester ny. Kip Plamer store mng Elmira ny.Left in 1976 it was a great place t work
dose anyone remember Jack Kivot He managed training store in N.Tonamanda Ny in the 70’s from there went to Corp. He ran Catalog stores Grants bought in Florida in the 70’s
I worked for Grants 1970 to 1976. I trained in Amherst Ny(Edd Pasudi,Pam Kavin) Dun kirk ny (Pam Shamrock) pened stores for 2 years, Elmira ny 1974 Kip Palmer mng, Canandaigua,Ny Perry ny (My 1st store I manged) 1976 we closed. Graet place to work,alot of great memories
Does anyone remember what kind of cash registers Grants used before the chain closed down? Did they ever make the transition to electronic point of sale systems?
Yes they did have POS registers or should I say in slect stores. I was an auditor in the 70’s and identified the first computer theft at New Jersey store. At the time it was a very large theft, which included a group of people including the manager.
I opened stores for the Company in the 70’s for about 11/2 years my area was New England. Great job for a 28 year old single Male. I could either fly back to Buffalo Ny every weekend or stay on the road I drove all over Maine & Mass with a rental. Great expense account Got Paid salary once a month I banked 5 months Bought 1st new car.
I meet a lot of great people,Store Mng,Buyers Ceo,The manger of the new enland Area.
PAT B says:
I worked at WTGrant, Danville, Va 1960 to 1962 for Mr Clyde Tarver and Morris Hill asst. mgr. Would love to hear from George Svoda and any others ….some of us are planning a get together 1/25…….Retail has really changed….
I was a trainee at Grants in Nordan Shopping Ct when we opened in 1961 and do remember some of the folks at Riverside location.
LLoyd Taylor
mike peck says:
I worked at Grants in 1974 in New Milford, Ct. I was a cook in the Bradford House!
4 April 2014 at 11:06 am
Mikr, I worked there from about 1968, to 1970. Mrs Rayburn was manager, Mr Cleary,(I hink James) and George Dewey were assistant managers. A young man named Danny worked furniture. It was a good job for high school kids-they would always work your schedule around your school schedule
Glenice (Kemp) Coward says:
I worked at W. T. Grants in St Paul MN. I loved it. In the Men’s Dept. downstairs, Jewelry Dept. main floor and as a window trimmer with Pat. She was a neat lady.
What a great site.
I started with Grants as a stock boy in Medford MA. went into management training in Dorchester, Saugus, Wilmington. Makden,and Stoneham MA. I was acting mgr, in Needham when I was promoted to store manager in Willimantic CT after which i became merchandise mgr. in Vernon CT. I was made Regional fashion mgr. and regional sales traing mgr. before opening my first new Grant City store in Warren RI. I was promoted to Weymouth MA just prior to when to company went bancrupt.
I will never forget the wonderful career, freinds, role models and mentors that Grants brought into my life.
Bart Dowling, Jimmy Maroyya, Len Fyfe, Charlie Altman, Jack Dane, Marty Littlefield, Carl Bellini. Clayt Stalker to name a few of my mentors, thanks to you all…
Ron;
good to hear you are still going strong… From Attleboro, Wes Tred
Was just up in our attic and came across some of the final confidential paperwork that was sent out to the store managers letting them know of some stores were going to be closed, but not to be concerned but them other letters came shortly afterwards telling them to pad lock their doors at the close of business. I also found many newspaper stories from the time from the Naples Fl. Newspaper telling of the great loss of jobs and interviews with local employees that had been terminated due to the closings. My Father was a store manager and retired in 1972 from the Sebring Fl. store and moved to Naples Fl just before the bankrupsy, but was still very close to the management at the time in Naples. It brought back many memories going thru the final saga of the company today.
hi all get intouch
Bob "Robbie" Jones says:
My dad “Ed Jones” was merchandise manager in Nashville Tenn. and store manager in Eden North Carolina, Denver Colorado and others. My sisters Linda & Marta worked in the stores, but I was too young. My dad was being moved from Eden N.C. to Myrtle Beach S.C. when he found out the stores were closing. We never moved.
WT Grants is one of my favorite memories. My mother worked at downtown Gary, Indiana (60’s to 70’s) when the entire chain closed. I loved the toy department — that’s where I got my first “friend” at Christmas time, a “Beautiful Chrissy” doll with the “growing” hair. Grant’s had a Puerto Rican security guard, named Jimmy. Like their competitors (Kresge and Goldblatt’s), they had a great lunch counter (yellow and bronze) cushion bar seats (lots of gum stuck beneath the counter) — had the BEST grilled cheese sandwiches.
I was a DM over that store for a while, It was when I made it a clearance center and shiped from all my stores their season close outs. Were you there then, It was during the Gray race riots
Mary Q says:
I worked at The first Grants in Oxnard, CA in early 60’s. Met many wonderful people there. Mr. Wimberly was great asst mgr. hope someone else from that area remembers the first store before it moved across Saviers Road.
pat spino says:
love this. wish more would log on.
what store
they had great popcorn. the long think bag. nothing like it since!!
Does anyone remember the soft ice cream serviced in tall glasses with strawberry or chocolate. They were out of this world and I’m trying to find out if that parfait is sold anywhere today.
The email was from Larry Canale. A lot of the guys that worked there in the late 60’s have passed. Merl Grow, John Tessorario, Frank Delarm are gone. I tried to find Herb Tragesser on the internet, but couldn’t find him.
Ed, didnt know Herb and erl passed, but went to Johns funeral. Sad, He left 10 nice kids behind.
I worked at the Route 57 store in Liverpool, NY for about 5 years until they closed. I worked in toys, garden shop, pets (ugh) and occasionally furniture and appliances. I was also the Easter Bunny in the restaurant and a Santa elf for Santa’s photos. I met some great friends, it was like another family to me. I was there through their final closing date, March 17, 1976 and I cried. Lots of fun times!
Christine M Schuller says:
My dad (Alan Kenyon) ran the Baldwinsville store at that time, but we lived in Liverpool. I was a freshman when they closed, and I cried too.
Does anyone remember the Grant City store in Bryan, Ohio? I remember shopping there when I was in high school in the early ’70s.
Anyone remember a Bob Culp? I think he was a store manager.
I started at Grants in Curry Rd SC, Rotterdam, NY in 1966 as a Manager-In-training and moved to Westgate SC in Albany where I was the manager of the Appliance & Furniture Depts. I left the Company in 1975. Some really great years. Would love to hear from anyone who might have worked at these stores.
Ron and Diane Foster says:
My husband, Ron Foster was also a Manager-in-training in the Albany Store. If I’m not mistaken, he was there in ’74 or ’75. He had started with Grants as a Credit Manager in Columbus, Georgia under Gene Ivy and then was transferred to Jacksonville, Florida under Duff Powell who was let go and replaced by Art Thompson. He then was transferred to Beaufort, SC as Credit Manager and then he decided to go into Store Management Training and was transferred to Albany. We loved our stay there. Let me know if the name sounds familiar?
I remember W.T. Grants. I used to work in the Grants Bradford House, I worked at The Rocky Hill, CT store and was there till they closed their doors
So many memories here. I really appreciate hearing about the people from the WT Grant world.
I was the “record man” that opened and serviced the record departments in Grants stores all around OH, MI, IN, WV and PA. Got to know so many wonderful folks and hold a lot of great memories form that time – 1971 through the closing. My last two or three years were based in Pittsburgh and had me traveling most of western PA and through WV. I got to Pitt shortly after the Pleasant Hills store opened. What a great store. It was a hugely successful location as I recall. Seeing Dolph Cranston’s name here brought back some thoughts on some of the sales he ran. I clearly remember him running a “Topless Cashiers” promo. Of course, Dolph and all his guy staff were on the registers that day. I think he took a bit of heat for that one. We brought in Donna Fargo for that grand opening.
I especially fell in love with WV, in particular, Elkins and Fairmont during that time. Visited all the stores every week, from downtown Piit to Penn Hills, to Latrobe, to Elkins. Great experience, great people, wonderful memories.
Thanks to all whose path crossed mine in those years.
Donna Boughter says:
When I married in 1965 I opened my first charge account. My dad was very concerned about CREDIT! I just went to an auction and bought a Bradford sweeper that was sold at Grant’s. It needs a belt and don’t know if these parts are still available. Does anyone know?
Jim K
It was great working with you at Pleasant Hills. That whole store had a fantastic crew. I’m sure your hard work and enthusiasm have done you well!
jannette says:
I own a Grants 10 speed portable mixer
poppy # WTG 89359 that still work, that I
keep in its own box . It works very well.
Check out The W.T. Grant facebook page at:
Is this for WTG alumni? I dont use facebook but i might if its for WTG Mike kmosales@aol.com
John Weimer says:
I worked at the Middletown, NY store (#1148) in 1975 selling appliances, TV’s and furniture. Al Loeffler was the store manager and Ralph Sacco was my dept manager. Everyone really enjoyed working there as we were really one big family. I am still in retail but Grant’s was the best retail job or any job, for that matter, I ever had.
I worked for Grants in high school Rockville Md 1972 until they closed. It was like one big happy family
What a blast reading about the past great memories. I remember Jim Randall., from Hudson New York credit mgr. for Bob Eichel, Bill Deuval trainee in Roterdam under John Conners,also Don Belleville District Credit Mgr. also remember with a smile Carl Bellini from Regional Office when I was in North Andover with Len Fyfe. It was a great ride up from trainee, assistant, mgr., mdse mgr, operations mgr. from New York to Mass, Maine, and finally to Attleboro Mass. a lot of good friends that still keep in contact with, WISH YOU ALL THE BEST. Wes
Pleased to read your comment. I have reviewed this site on a regular basis and it does bring back lots of good memories.
I was store manager with Grants. Started in 1967 as a trainee in New Castle Del. Del Mcguire was the manager. Then to Salisbury Md. Mr. Campagna was the manager. Transferred to Harrisonburg, Va. Bill Feller was the manager. Went to Alexandria ,Va as an asst. manager working with Pete Lipnicki , the manger . After that was Baltimore, Md. for 6 months with the tough Bill Hayes -the manager.
Finally , I became the store manager in 1970 in Beckly , Wva. Was there for one year and sent to Roanoke , Va. as the merchandise manager which is an equivalent of the store manager working under Tony Rivezzo, the general manager.
The best education a person could get anywhere. Worked with the greatest people in the world. Hard to believe we got paid with cash everyweek until the end when they switched to checks which bounced. lol.
I stuck it out till the end in Roanoke in 1975. I cried when we closed. Alot of great workers were out of a job. I can still remember most of the department numbers and even some item numbers. I wonder if Mrs. Short , Larry Ellis and Jay Fisher are doing ok.
Any one remember Hal Stalker from the Oswego Store or Michelle from the Oswego Store, Candy Dept.?
name sounds familiar
My father, LM Girard, managed Grant Stores all over the Midwest. He opened what I think was the first Grants in a shopping center in Kansas City, Mo. in the late 50’s. Later opened one of the first Grant City Super Stores the Milwaukee area. So many great memories. When color TV’s first came out we would go to the store and watch the Macy’s Thanksgiving Parade “in living color”. He was managing a store in Lexington, Ky when they closed. Like so many he had his retirement in Grants stock. I still get angry when I hear anything about the WT Grant Foundation. Should have used that money to help those who gave the better part of their lives to the company
I agree about the foundation… I was manager on the east cost and now live in the KC area… Mike kmosales@aol.com
Mark soignoli says:
My dad was a manager and opened a couple stores in the Richmond va area , I was around 8 yrs old , I remember him getting phone calls in the middle of the night when the store security alarm had been activated , thought that was kind of scary back then. Dad would bring home some of that candy you could buy by the pound…great memories .
Bradley U Shick says:
My mom was the Office Manager at the WT Grants in Newtown Square, PA , and I was both the Stock Man & Garden Shop Manager while in 10th, 11th & 12th grade between 1972 thru 1974. I still use tools I bought there. I also remember making keys on the “lath” machine, and cleaning the fish tanks. It was a good job for me, I learned a lot there.
I started as stock boy in 1965 at the age of 18 in store #881(John Moelher manager) Sacramento, Ca. When I turned 21 I started the Management Training Program at #956 Citrus Heights, Ca. Worked in 146, 1223 and then promoted general manager in 1971 to my first store #805 Hayward, Ca, Promoted to Merchandise Manager Grant City #1223 Antioch, Ca and then back to store manager #1074 Yuba City, Ca and finally to General Manager of Grant City # 146 Sacramento which I closed the day before Thanksgiving 1975. It was great ride with long hours and few days off, No regrets!!! I had to let go employees that 30 plus years of service, very sad! I still have the picture of WT Grant that hung in my last store.
Anne Edwards says:
My Dad was Western Regional Manager and so I am very familiar with the names of the stores you worked in. He left LA in 1958 when he became President of Zeller’s in Canada….Zeller’s was owned by Grants and was sold as an asset to the Hudson Bay Company. It is my understanding the Zeller’s only recently went out of business. I knew John Moelher. My first job was at the Culver City, CA store.
Dianne Dihel Heryford says:
my mom worked at the Yuba city . ca. store. does anyone have a picture of this store?
Check out this picture taken in New York for 61st Store Manager Orientation Conference 1971
http://www.flickr.com/photos/garypkurnsphotography/8570652204/
I can’t believe it. I’ m in the picture. I remember the meeting well . WOW!
gpkurns says:
What store did you work in?
beckly wva and roanoke va.
Was there ever a Grants store in Bridgewater, Massachusetts?
My son who is now 51 yrs. old claims there was, I think he’s wrong.
Curious and anxious to learn who’s correct.
Does anyone remember their onion topping they used on their hot dogs? My mother grew up with this and I have been trying to look for recipes or anything that could help bring back this memory for her. If anyone has found something I couldn’t, I would love to know.
Was it a sweet onion sauce with a little bit of a pasta sauce base to it?
Pete Horsford says:
Ron remember Ed Aucella in the Quincy Ma. store. Great memories.
…and does anyone remember Jan Harris, she lived in Ridley Park, PA and worked at a Grants?
I workded at the Toms River store around 1970-71. Good times – Great friends. Announced sales over PA system and took calls on old fashoned phone system w/trunk lines.
I worked at the Toms River store at that time.I worked after school and on Sundays in the stationary/records dept.I loved that job my fist real job and paid in cash.I still have some of the pay stubs stashed away.
Do you remember some of the managers Mr. Schmidt Mr.Kohanyi,Mr Burns?
Bob Burns, Bill Schmidt and was Kohanyi “Al”?
Was manager in Farmville VA, Cocoa Fla and Charlotte NC
I was manager in Beckly, Wva and in Roanoke, Va .
Lloyd Taylor says:
when did the store in Roanoke open???
Not sure when it was open , but it was a fairly new store when I worked there from 1971 to 1975 when we closed her up.
Store opened in fall of 1969. Bill Fellows was manager, Mel Feils and Dwight McGraw were merchandise managers. I was operations mgr. Don Hunt was one of the ass’t mgrs.
what a blog……
WE built or developed:
Euclid, Norwalk, Wapokoneta, Marion OH; Alma, Alpena, Cadillac, Traverse City, MtClemmons MI; Warsaw, Danville NY; Blairsville, Meadville, Titusville PA; BelleGlade FL and MANY more…brings back good ole memories…people were great… Sr mgt made many poor decisions at the end! when they finally came up with good one-to save the 398 core stores, stupid wall st nixed it !
My Dad spent his entire career with Grants, if I remember correctly he started out in the stock room of a store in Atlanta, moved on for a short stint in Beckley, WV and then to the home office in NYC initially as a merchandise manager. My first job was at the store in Culver City, CA and then in the final days I worked at the store here in Virginia Beach. I just couldn’t stand staying home and watching such a big part of my life disappear.It has always been my feeling that a big part of the bankruptcy can be blamed on a CEO they brought in from Sears, who was a finance man, and he led Grants down the path of selling money rather than merchandise.VERY sad. From the home office my Dad, James aka Jim Kendrick, became Western Regional manager and then bounced back and forth a couple of times as President/CEO of Zeller’s in Canada (a wholly owned subsidiary of Grants) and Persident/CEO of Grants, back in the Big Apple. This blog is GREAT. So many wonderful memories.
I was asst manager at Janaf Shopping Ct and got promoted to store manager in Farmville VA, Great store at Janaf
I agree I worked in nyc for ten years in new store planning. One year we opened 138 stores. Can’t believe it went under
I remember our Grants in Middletown Ohio,[about 1958]. At the Middletown shopping center. Great fun shopping with our parents and getting a dollar toy to keep us quite. Their hot jumbo cashews were to die for. I’d love to go back to simpler days where people had manners and if you forgot someone would remind you. Where has all the flowers gone?
Does anyone remember W.T. Grants in Riverside New Jersey on Scott Street? My mom worked there for 25 years and stayed until they closed the store. I remember the wooden floors and all the people that worked there. My mom was in the curtain department, my godmother worked in the sheets/towels department. Great place to go to after school. I remember the clothes they sold there and just everything. Was sad when it closed!
Donna Bintliff
My Grandfather was CEO of Grants. His name was James Kendrick. I remember the closing of Grants. My mom was a cashier in the final days. I know my grandfather took his job seriously and was a very proud man. Unfortunately he is gone, but he lived a good long life with his wife Margaret. Hopefully he touched some of your lives.
Most of you probably already know all this, but it was important to me to read about how it all went down, because Jim Kendrick, was my father and Doug’s grandfather. Annlee aka Anne Kendrick Edwards.
http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft4x0nb2jj&chunk.id=d0e1075
as I wrote before ,I worked for Grants in Latrobe pa. I worked register. First on Lincoln road then they built a new store along route 30. loved them both. Does anyone remember mr.weiss? he has passed. NIce guy. Mr .Hertz was at Latrobe also. good memories.
Hey I remember Grants City. We had one in Phoenix City Alabama. I remember shopping there with my mom. When I was about ten years old my mom took my sister and I to see actor Ron Elly (who played Tarzan at one time in the TV show.). Do y’all remember him?
norman vogel if your out there get on this site. want to hear from you. ou to larry
Dose anyone remember Jack Kivate Became ceo of a discount chain Grants bought in Florida
Was only three when ours closed but I loved it…wish it would come back!
clinton brausey says:
I found this site by mistake, was a manager for grants, asst in davenport iowa, manager in moline I’ll, then omaha nebr., moved to la crosse wisc, then millwaukee area, back to omaha, bellveue nebr, last store waskearney nebr, company closed for us in 1975, aprox november. Was operation mgr in larger stores, mgr in smaller stores, lost bunch stock..
Went too 1 in Clinton Iowa all the time when i was a kid they had pinball in the basement (:
Anybody work at New Milford Ct store during the late 60″s? I worked there as a high school student, mostly in the toy dept. Remember Mrs. Raybeck, Mr. Cleary, George Dewey, Danny Fuller (I think that’s is last name) and so many more! Made $1.60 an hr when I started, and when I left in the fall of 70, was “all the way up to” $1.80!!!! But it paid for my Mustang
Did anyone out there work at the Westgate Grants in Albany, New York? I worked there when attending SUNY Albany in the mid 60’s. One of the best times for me. Great people. Gerry Lalonde was the manager and a super person to work for.
Anne Graves says:
I worked at W.T. Grant’s in Herkimer, New York in 1965-66. Don Hollar was the manager then.
theresaross says:
Toms River NJ was where ours was located. They had the BEST Luncheonette!!! I have two patches with GRANTS BRADFORD AMERICAN MOTORS that the mechanics wore on their uniforms. Haven’t been able to find similar ones on the internet….anyone know where I can find them?
J.C. says:
Anyone who worked at Grants and was eligbel for pension may have money still out there. Here is the government website to check and see if you have money still owed to you… http://search.pbgc.gov/mp/results.aspx
Brian A. Asbury says:
We had a couple of Grants Stores in San Jose, CA where I grew up. I remember they closed up around 1975-76 when I was about 9 years old. My mom bought stuff there all the time, including Grants branded underwear for me.
hi Ken this is Hal hope this finds u in good health
Robin Ross says:
My father, Robert Ross (or Bob?) worked at W.T. Grant in Paterson NJ in 1954. I have no idea what he did or how long he worked there, but if anybody knew him I’d love to hear from you! He’s been gone for about 14 years now, and I am desperately trying to learn more about his life growing up. He was 16 at the time he worked for W.T. Grant on Main St. in Paterson NJ.
I remenber him from downtow syracuse store 15
It was my first job after graduating from college (Ohio State) in 1954. I worked in Grant’s Display Studios, on W. 42nd Street, between Broadway and 6th Avenue, in the heart of the New York theatre district. $50 per week! Loved the job, and the group I worked with, despite (or, because of) our after hours antics!
I worked for W. T. Grant Co. from Oct 1960 until Oct 1965. I was in Wichita ,Ks., Oxnard,Ca..Renton,Wa., Spokane,Wa., Eugene,Or. I started as a stockman, moved up to receiving mgr., then to Divisonal Merchandise mgr. and then to acting assistant mgr.
Judy Palmer says:
My late husband, KIPP PALMER, worked at WT Grant store from 1967-1976. First in Bath, NY – Horseheads, NY – East Rochester, NY – Canandaigua, NY – Olean, NY – Horseheads, NY – St. Marys, PA. We named our 2nd Son Grant, born in 1969.
I worked for Kip,John Ryan(Asst Manager) in Hoarseheads 1974, I came off the road from opening stores, Then went to Canandaigua Ny as opening asst. Then Perry Ny 1st store as manager, Pat Kelly was district Manager
I never worked at Grants, my Mom did back in mid 50’s part time for extra money, what with 10 kids to raise is easy to understand…that was in Milford, MA. Anyway what made me come looking for info was an old game I just found and it has a Grants Special 93 cents sticker on it! This has been a real interesting read and I thank you all, especially you that started it! God Bless and enjoy!
I remember the Grants in Vailsgate, NY, right next to the major grocery store in the area, Big V. I remember every so often, they would make a major addition to the store’s size. It kept growing and growing, and eventually became the largest Grants in the chain.
When the store closed, it was so large, they were able to convert it into an indoor shopping mall, with Caldors as the anchor store, and many other smaller stores.
Did you work at the store? I was the operations manager through the closing. John Vandenburgh was the store manager. Was a wonderful company that prepared me for the business world.I am 75 years old and Grants were the best years of my life.
Hey Doug – I was at Vails Gate when Mike Joyce was the ops mgr & Joe Roberti the store mgr. Met John Vandenburg (often) at 899 – Toms River. If you are on facebook be sure to check the wtg group
Bernie Speyer says:
And I remember Grant’s, who was not afraid to hire me, a recent college graduate, for their NY Display Studios. Paid more than the typical $1.00/hr, in 1954. Loved it!
Thinking back to that WTGrant job in New York. It was in the heart of the theatre district, Times Square, which helped nourish my love of theatre. 42nd Street between Broadway & 6th Avenue! What could be better than that?
BlueStreak says:
Both my parents worked for WT Grant in Harrisobnurg, VA. My mom waitressed in the Bradford Room for several years during the late 60s and then my dad worked in the men’s dept, selling suits and making commissions on those sales. The company would fly him to Philadelphia for buying trips just for the men’s suits. He later moved into a management position and helped to open stores around Virginia. He was there until they closed in 1976. He loved working for Grants and so did my mom. He was only there 6 or 7 years before they went bankrupt, but he received a monthly retirement (or settlement) check – for $17 – until his death eleven years ago. He was so proud of that little check because he always believed they were a great company to work for. I spent a lot of time in that store and loved the smell of the roasted cashews and the toy department. Christmas shopping was such an event there, so much fun. We had all the Grant Christmas albums and many, many items purchased from the store. Such wonderful memories!
I was the merchandise manager in Harrisonburg in 1969. Bill Feller was the manager. What are your parents names?
Nancy Morrell says:
Charles and Lillian Smith. They have both passed away. I remember my dad liked working for Mr. Feller. I think he must have been a well respected manager. Do you remember Kathy Winston? She waitressed with my mother and was a wonderful person. She never met a stranger.
I cant remember the names . I’m sure they were wonderful people. I really liked Bill Feller. A very good manager. It was a great store. I can still remember Arthur Smith doing a concert outside the store one evening. . Harrisonburg is a beautiful clean city. I actually lived in Dayton Va. in an apartment above a radiator shop. What an experience for a year. Then I got transferred to Alexandria , Va. Great experience and memories.
I was the merchandise manager in HArrisonburg in 75 for a short while but when I saw they were going under, I went back to Lancaster Pa I worked for Grants for 6 1/2 years I wonder if there is any pension money. Mike kmosales@aol.com
I remember the Grants Christmas album. We used to listen to in in the store every day from Thanksgiving until Christmas. Usually it was 12 hours a day or more during that time.
I texted my brother to try to remember the name of the store. We both came up with Grants at the same time. We live in rural Pennsylvania and had to drive 25 miles on a two lane highway to get there. It was such a treat and we’d be so excited to shop for Christmas and have our pictures taken with Santa. Years later we discovered in the pictures, beside Santa’s chair stood a bottle of booze! We cherish the pictures and laugh everytime we think about them, now we’re all in our 50’s.
My husband remember Grants from Frankford Avenue in Philadelphia. He went there for the hot dogs. Grants was in his top 5 “haunts” because of them.
pat spino anyone remember the chips they sold in clear bags? they were always stacked in front of the candy counter. they were not a potatoe\ chip/ they had their own unique taste ty
Bill. Nickerson says:
Like many things in the past, they get better with age and probably W. T. Grant ‘s does too. I did not work at Grants but I did work next door to the one on Congress St in Downtown Portland Maine back in 1964-66. I would go over to Grants on break and get coffee and hot dogs for some of my fellow employees and bosses. I remember the hot dogs being about the best I have ever had. They were big and so very good. Grant ‘s on the whole probably was not as great as we think it was today but I know the hot dogs were and to this very day I miss then.
The hot dogs were the best! I can tell you I’ve never had a better one anywhere.
Just wish we’d hear from someone, besides me, who worked in the display studios on W. 42nd St., NYC…from June 1954 till August 1955.
Bernie Speyer
were they a type off pork rind
they could have been. do you remember /ty
I can almost taste them.
my wife was packing up the xmas ornaments the other day and I saw a box of small red glass bulbs. I asked here where she got these and she told me we bought them just before I left the bell veron store in i. That was30 years ago
Mark Girard says:
I believe that my father, Lawrence Girard, opened the store in Kansas City North.
In the 60’s and 70’s my Grandmother worked at W. T. Grant’s in Collinsville, Illinois. I spent many hours shopping and wishing at this wonderful story ore. My favorite time of year was when my Dad would take us three kids Christmas shopping, for my Mother. What sweet memories!
Anyone remember Gerry Lalonde, who was manager at the Westgate (?) grant’s in Albany?
last that I remember of Gerry was that he had a very successful Ben Franklin in Raymond NH
Get out!!! I’ve been to that store!!! Took a road trip from Keene N H to see it!!!
Unfortunately he passed away this past May…
Just saw Gerry LaLonde’s obit. He owned a retail store in NH or Vt. Enjoyed working for him
My guess is we will never find them because they are not made anymore. Your right they were the best ever.
I helped to open that store in Northern Lites ,spent about a year there, Ralph Chiavelli was the store manager, Grants Hot Dogs were made by Armour Star,provided to Grants by Monarch foods, Armour is no longer around, they were bought by another meat packing co. Monarch was bought by US Foods, they still have roller grill hot dogs, they only sell to restaurants,and not the general public,
Sorry I was there in the late 50’s
Are you refering to the Grants in Irondequiot, NY. I worked at the Penney’s, but always enjoyed spending times in Grants. Later, during college, I worked at the Grants at West Gate in AQlbany.
I opened store I Chili Ny, managed sore opening in early 70’s
Do you if Gerry is still about or how to contact him? Thanks.
He passed away this past May…
anyone from store #15 read this blog
vbanne says:
Yes, please, what was his name, and what years are you referring to? My father was also in the home office (NYC).
Jerry Lester says:
Does anyone remember the “Grant City” in the Clarence Mall in Williamsville NY? It was the first store to open in the plaza around 1966. The plaza then expanded, and I worked at the Park Edge Supermarket next door. I too remember the hot dogs from the snack bar with the toasted, buttered rolls & the chopped onions YUM! Fond memories of the Christmas Shoppe in the Garden Center every year. Still using the toaster we bought when we got married, still works like a champ
Gary and Linda Kurns says:
I was with Grants for about 10 years. The last store I managed was a Grant City in Sacramento, Ca. I remember selling everything in the store including the fixtures. The last thing I did was sweep the floor and mail the store keys back to New York office. My first job 10 years earlier at the age of 18 was sweeping floors. I ended my retail career 40+ years later as a VP with Hobby Lobby.
Whoever was looking for the Grant’s “hot dog rolls” I found some very similar this summer at a WalMart Supercenter under the brand name of “Ballpark” while the bread aisle was being stocked by the “Stroehman” bread man (might be “Bimbo” by you (pronounced BEEM-Bo) Also if you are lucky enough to be near a Wegmans Supermarket, they sell “New England Rolls” in the commercial bread aisle (not the in-store bakery)
My dad was a Grant’s store manager also. Youngstown Ohio, Minniapolis Minesota, Omaha Nebraska ,New Castle Indiana, Tucson Arizona. And more. He gave his whole life to the company and ended up with nothing. Very sad. I remember going to the store on Siunday too.
Vivian Hunter says:
My first job was with WT Grants in 1962-64 while in Mississippi College, Clinton, MS. The store was in Jackson, MS. The manager was James Ashe. I wonder where he is today?
still looking for larry Donahue and norman vogel. worked with them in Latrobe stores. in 6o’s and 70’s. .ty
I remember a Larry Donahue – maybe a district manager in the Canton, Ohio, area. After Grants closed I believe he ran a Ben Franklin store at Southgate Shopping Center in Canton. Not sure if this is the same Larry you’re looking for.
I remember Grant’s. It was a part of my life literally before I was born. My parents both worked at the downtown store in Houston. It’s where they met and fell in love. They married in 1956. My father worked for them until they closed. More than 20 years. We had a store in our in our neighborhood too. Lots of the people working there had at one time or the other worked downtown too so they all knew my parents and a trip to the store could take a long time. But they had so many good things to look at we never cared. Sometimes, on Saturday my Mom would take me and my brother to the Skillet and we would get a coke and a honey bun, warmed a little butter on top. It was the 60’s, nobody was doing health food yet. Most of our appliances were Bradford and our clothes and shoes came from there. Until 1975, we didn’t know anything but Grant’s. It was a good life.
has anyone kept a log on wtgrant employees ty
Let's Fly Travel says:
My dad Gerald Bligh was store manager in Johnstown NY the first half of the 1960’s.The store had first floor and basement.The toy department was in the basement along with the pets.On more than one occasion I remember my dad would have to go back to the store and round up these little monkies they sold that got out of their cages ! All our clothes came from Grants along with anything else that was bought for the house.We lived right across the street at the end of the block and every evening one of us older kids were send to the store to double check that the doors were locked.It was a different time back then and I have many great memories of being around the store.In the early 70’s I was a dishwasher at the Grants Bradford House in North Andover ,MA
Dennis: They really had monkeys? I went to the Grants in Shawsheen. Where was it it in North Andover?
Dennis J. Bligh says:
Hi Keystonelens ,yes they really sold small monkeys in the Johnsntown NY store.Kind of crazy when you think of it ! I was a Andover resident,but do not remember a store in Shawsheen.The North Andover store was located one exit north off Rt 495 on Rt 114 across from the old Holiday Inn.The plaza is called North Andover Mall and the Grants is now a Kohl’s .Market Basket is located next door.
Dennis: They actually sold monkeys? I went to the Grants in Shawsheen. Where was the store in North Andover?
Steve Gee says:
WOW, I’m glad I looked this up today. Wasn’t sure what I would find? We had a Grants on Main Street in Newark Delaware back when I was a kid in the early 60’s. What a great place to shop. Mom would cut us lose to roam to the toy department & the pet section! Many of our Christmas gifts were from that store. Eventually they closed it & moved to the brand new Castle Mall. It was the first real mall in Delaware. Mom & Dad used to take us to the Bradford House for the all you can eat fish fry they had on Friday nights. What great memories! BTW: My little brothers name was Bradford! LOL
I worked for Grants in the Harbour Mall in Fall River , Ma, from 1971-1975, in The Bradford House. It closed in 1975 while I was on maternity leave. Great job, great people, Dave Correlli and Dick Bean were my managers. I returned to the same store (taken over by K Mart) in late ’75 with the same mgr. Dick Bean until moving to Las Vegas in 1989. Great memories!!
I just stumbled upon two brand new in the box Bradford AM/FM/PSB radios. They were made in Japan for WT Grants by Panasonic in 1975. I guess they must have been sitting in a warehouse since the 1970’s…. I heard that there were actually 50 of these radios that were found. Im guessing that after WT Grants shut down due to bankruptcy in 1976, these radios were unsold product and sat in a old warehouse or something until recently found. Im glad to have stumbled upon them, inside each one is a small feature tag that was included with each radio, at the bottom it says “Have you applied for a Grants Credit Card lately?” Such a cool find, both radios work perfectly but in order to keep them pristine they are going back in the box!!!
Bob C says:
Hi all! The best thing about Grants was the popcorn they sold in the University and Thruway Plaza stores in Cheektowaga NY and Amherst NY from the 1950’s right up to when they closed. It was the best popcorn ever! I wish I could get it again. My mother worked in the office upstairs at the University Plaza Grants in the 1940’s. She loved the people she worked with, and still talks about liking her job there. (she’s 92!) The toy department was great too. I still have a Big Time Baseball book from the 1959 season that I purchased there. Anybody got info on that popcorn mix? I’d love to eat it again!
As the child of a dentist in the 1970’s, I was not allowed a whole lot of candy at home. Thanks to the WT Grant store in Plainview and its 3-for-24 cents candy bar counter, sneaking tons of the stuff was not only easy, but very affordable.
I don’t know how they did it, but at a time when a large bag of M&M’s was already about 15 cents, Grants managed to sell you THREE bags for less than a quarter. Same with Hershey/Nestle bars and any other candy. So, with my pocket full of quarters (change from the dollar I got to buy school lunches at the local luncheonette), off on my bicycle I would go to WT Grant whenever possible to load up on M&M’s, which I would then stuff into my face behind the dumpsters in the parking lot. The only time I could get away with this, unfortunately, was when my friends weren’t around, because word would surely get back to my parents through their gossipy lips. It’s amazing I grew up fit and trim, because I used to pack down sometimes six bags of those peanuty little treats at a time when I was pre-10.
I also remember being able to spend hours at a time in Grant’s arcade for maybe a quarter or two. They had a game where you fired torpedoes ( a series of lights below the surface of the game screen) at a submarine. It made a really cool sound when you hit, and it seemed all you had to do was hit one or two and you got a free game. So I would pay for one game and play about fifty games, quitting only when I felt the M&M’s starting to melt in my pocket.
The shopping center that housed Grant’s has now been upgraded to the point where it bears no resemblance to the place where my folks used to take me to watch Santa Claus land in a helicopter. However, the newest store in WT’s space, “Amazing Savings,” is strangely reminiscent of the types of stores we enjoyed in those days.
Doris M says:
I have read most of the comments here and this is the first reference to the Grant’s store in Plainview. Thank you so much for posting, Tom! I too have fond memories of going there in the 70’s. My mother and our next door neighbor used to food shop at the Grand Union every Thursday night but they would first go to Grants and sometimes I would get to go with them. You could get just about anything in that store. My mother bought a lot of costume jewelry there, some of which I still have. She passed recently but over the years we would reminisce about how great those hot dogs were! Thanks again for your “close to home” post!
W.T. Grants was my first job out of high school. I worked at the Grant’s on Military Rd Niagara Falls NY from 1969-70. Was sad when it closed!
Anyone remember Gerry Lalonde, manager of a Grant’s store in an Albany plaza in the early 60’s?
Alice (Turner) Sherwin says:
My Mom, Lola L. Turner was Office Manager for the W.T. Grant Store in Kansas City, Kansas from 1954 to 1970. I worked summers at the “conveyer belt” Lunch counter and loved it! My mom paid for me to go to college, figuring she would have the Grant’s Stock to live on. She died in 2001 with “nothing”. I am her only child, my dad died in 1967 and I still suffer the effects of the stock loss. Are there any resources for situations like this?
Ron Orndorff says:
I worked in high school at 2 different locations that both lasted to the last liquidation of the company starting February of 1976. I worked in the Bradford House restaurant at the W.T. Grant location in the North Hanover Mall, Hanover PA and my parent relocated our home and I was fortunate to work at the Grant City store on East US 30 in the borough of Chambersburg PA on the sales floor in hardliners.
Hi I was a manager in Lancaster PA Did you know Mike Deetz who was an asst in the Hanover store? We were in management program together Then we both worked for Western Publishing later Mike kmosales@aol.com
I worked at the Westgate Plaza store in the eRLY 60’S while a student at SUNY Albany. Gerry Lalonde was the store manager, and one of the nicest people I ever worked for. Those are the days!!
If any supermarkets in your area carry “Ballpark” brand rolls (yes I said ‘rolls” they make rolls like you are trying to find), but I’ve only seen them between Memorial Day & Labor Day. Pepperidge Farm sometimes has them too, they call them “Top Sliced Buns”. If you are LUCKY ENOUGH to be near a
Wegman’s Supermarket, they usually have their own Wegman’s Brand all year round … They are called “New England Rolls” (I think because a lot of people use them for “clam rolls”)
REading through this has been a trip. My dad was a manager in Norristown, PA. Wellsville, NY. Poughkeepsie, NY (old store on Main). Beacon, NY. I worked at Grants in Oneonta, NY and Poughkeepsie, NY (new store). He had many close connections to the central office and around the company.
Jim H. says:
Worked at #1142 New Hyde Park, NY from ’72-’74 (?)
Gail Hayes Smith says:
My dad ,William Hayes started with WT Grants in 1960, in New Brunswick NJ. He became a store manager, at 28,and was transferred all over NJ. In 1968, when I was in fifth grade ,he was transferred to Frederickburg ,Va. Then 2 years later, 1970 to Baltimore, Md. In 1971 he was asked to manage the opening of the brand new Grants store, at Parkside Plaza, Roanoke, Va, I was 13, and very upset about another move. Grants went bankrupt in 1975 while we were still in Roanoke. My dad had won several top store manager awards, with trips to Mexico City, Miami and Bermuda. He said that Grants was in good financial shape, but they expanded too fast ,and the top people caused the bankruptcy. I was thankful he was transferred out of NJ. I went to Virginia Tech and have raised my family in the beautiful Salem /Roanoke Va area.I been here 47 years. My parents moved back to NJ in 1980, after opening a Carvel icecream store in Roanoke ,with his small Grants retirement fund. The Carvel store did not work out . Dad went back to retail with CH Martins in JerseyCity ,NJ. Dad is 84 years now and is still working with mystery shoppers. I had some great memories shopping in Grants ,and eating the turkey dinner at the Bradhouse ,inside Grants. The Grants bankruptcy affected alot of lives. My dad said, WT Grants should of been prosperous for many more years ,but it was the greediness of a top few, that led to the company’s downfall.
I worked for your Dad in Harrisonburg I recall him commuting to Roanoke on weekend. Mike kmosales@aol.com
My dad Bill Hayes came down to Roanoke, Va August 1971 to open up the new Grants store at Parkside Plaza which was located in SE Roanok e right next to Vinton, Va. I have apicture and article of him from the Roanoke Times and World news about the store opening. My parents were friends with Tony and Mary Rivizzo
Our family lived close to the Cave spring corner Grants in Penn Forest
When the bankruptcy was announced the summer of 1975, they transferred my dad to Harrisonburg, Va to close down that store, we stayed in Roanoke,he was there until Nov 1975 closed it down and his days with Grants were over He then opened a Carvel icecream store at Cave Spring corners 1976
mark menser says:
I have many memories, having worked for Grants between 1969 and 1973. I was working as a counter clerk for a sporting goods company (“Gateway”) that was sublease in a Woolco Store. I was 18 and working my way thru college. One day the guy who delivered photos to our camera counter told me that Grant’s #784 needed a camera department manager. Although I was totally clueless about cameras, the pay was better than I was getting, plus Grants paid bonuses for gross sales and for getting customers to open credit accounts. Store #784 was small and had not had a camera salesman for over a year. I faked my expertise and got the job. Sales at the time averaged barely $20 a day. I was not a photographer but I knew how to sell and how to organize. Within the next year I had cleaned out the inventory backlog and had sales up to some $500/day. I also received recognition for opening almost 30 credit accounts per month.
I left Grants in 1972 but returned to work for a massive Grant City store in 1973. The company was different to say the least. Management no longer stressed selling or salesmanship. The new emphasis was on customer self-service. Floor managers limited interaction with any customer to 5 minutes, calling anything more “socializing and goofing off.” Imagine trying to sell a customer a complicated camera like a Nikon 35mm, along with lenses and accessories, in less than 5 minutes. WTG was si8mply too stupid to grasp the concept of retail SALES. I left Grants upon being accepted to law school in 1973, and recall visiting Store #784 on the day it shut down.
Ok folks from WT Grants, tell me about the cash registers. With the chain closing in the mid 70s, did they ever make it to the early electronic cash registers? Did all stores have the same cash registers? I worked for other department store chains about 10 years later, and each store had their own registers, some Sweda, some NCR. What did Grants use?
JP – first thanks for keeping this thread open! Yes they made it to POS – around 1974. They were Sweda although one member on the FB WTG page thought they were Singer. Sweda is a definite. Prior to POS did all stores have the same – not sure. You could find some old workhorses in stores that were used in smaller or seasonal departments. Can’t tell you the brands but put some pics in https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kid4egachei9fp7/AABC0T-OzhePprScpT_vChPFa?dl=0 for you to review. Two are from the 50’s, one and article in 1975 and two for the Sweda system – all from the WTG page.
Thank you for the pics! I’ve never seen that model of Sweda POS register before. The newspaper article shows National (before they were NCR) cash registers from the 50s or 60s. Singer registers were common at Sears but I don’t remember seeing them anywhere else as a kid, maybe some stores had those
(this may be a duplicate post – watching Masters)
JP – Thanks for keeping this thread open! es WTG made it to the POS age with Sweda 725. On the WTG FB page there was a mention that maybe Singer was used, but Sweda is a definite. Prior to POS did all stores use the same registers – not sure. But replacements were ordered centrally so a Store was not buying locally. Even within larger stores you could find old registers in smaller or seasonal departments . Put pics in https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kid4egachei9fp7/AABC0T-OzhePprScpT_vChPFa?dl=0 for you, will leave themn for a week or two. All from the WTG FB page.
to make the store even funnier!! I was in my teen years & was getting married when i bought dishes. I worked across the street at the F. W. Woolworths good years of my life, i really enjoyed it. OH!!!HAPPY DAYS!!!
Most older stores around New York had Classic NCR registers with manual entry number no POSs. Port Chester NY Grants had a large theft issue during closing of stores with cashiers who got jobs at Hills Supermarket while working the end of Grants and pocketing cash for they were using charts posted on register desks for the percent off price. They would leave the drawer open or no sale manual button tell a customer a price and not bother ringing up sales. My Father was district Manager for Hills and saw many times the girls come in from Grants across the parking lot and cash in 10s 20s etc into large bills at Hill pre shift. After 3 day He arranged with Grants LP which was in full force during chain closing to stand in the cash booth and observe . # Grants cashiers were arrested on 1 day for theft.
I used work at the Grant’s lunch counter in Spokane, Washington. When they went out of business, I bought a few of the fountain glasses, and I just found an unused book of matches from Grants.
I have great memories of Grants. Working the lunch counter was my very first job. I also remember getting snagged once to walk in their runway show.
There were two couples who traveled from Canada to do their shopping. They were such nice people. They would always leave my tip underneath every glass and plate on the table. I didn’t understand why they wouldn’t let me clear off the plates until after the first time
I have some articles and other papers from the WT GRant stores in Poughkeepsie, NY and Beacon NY. My day was a manager in Butler, PA. Conshohocken, PA. Wellsville, NY also.
When Jim Randall mentioned the Westgate store, is that the one in Albany? I worked there in the early 60’s while attending SUNY Albany.
Westgate Shopping Center on Central Ave
The appliance/furniture salesman you refer to was Lou Boyer. The man with the combover and pipe he smoked on the sales floor. Refresh my memory on Mrs. Seavey. Were you there when I was?Thanks. It isn’t the same anymore!!
I don’t remember you Doug. I worked in the credit office near Lou. I was friends with Art Schaefer who owned the sporting goods store near the grocery store. I then was moved to Troy’s down town store. Mary Seavey was a delightful woman in the credit office.
What area did you work?
Do you remember Arthur Snyder?
I was a a ‘floor walker’, and then took a year off from school ’64 – ’65, and managed the furniture department. Where did Art work in the store? I remember faces but not names. I do remember he lady who worked in housewares and always wore an apron. Wonderful people. Being a poor college student, they would always bring something for me me eat when working nights. An experience I will always remember. Did Art work in men’s clothing?
Would have been asst. mgr in Westgate or Troy
Does anyone remember a Clyde Parker. He managed stores in wellsville, Poughkeepsie and beacon, NY. I worked in Poughkeepsie and Oneonta, N.Y.
Mary Mosel says:
I managed stoes in Winchester Va. ,Columbia Pa.,York Pa..Reading Pa,Oneoneta NY, and Lower Burrell Pa..Managed stores from 1964 to1976. George Mosel
I started in Cumberland in 69 then did 6 moves My first store was in Lancaster PA then merchandise manager in Harrisionburg VA. I was actually the youngest manager in the company when I got my first store… 24 I still have the Grant Game magazine with my photo in it. Mike kmosales@aol.com
Is anyone around who worked in store 901 Lancaster PA. I was the manger there in 74- 75
Mike kmosales@aol.com
WILL E says:
Mike , I was one of the asst.mgrs there way back in 1969. Bill Feller was the store manager. I was there for 1 year and lived in Dayton . Va I remember quite a bit about my stint in Harrisonburg. Great place to live. Hope to hear from you again. Bill
Bill Email me any time kmosales@aol.com. I dont check this blog very much and it doesnt look like messages get passed on
bill elman says:
Mike,I worked for Bill Hayes as an assistant manager in 1970 in Baltimore. I worked AT at the Roanoke store from 1972 to 1975 as the merchndise manager . The general manager was Tony RIvizzo. The location was at the Cave Springs shopping center. I don’t remember a Parkside Plaza store in Roanoke nor remembering Bill Hayes in Roanoke. Bill Feller was the manager in Harrisonburg va. I worked for him too.
Bill email me any time kmosales@Aol.com BillHayes was still living in Roanoke but commuting to Harrisonburg. I had not move d to Harrisonburg yet and resigned when I saw that Grants was going out. I went back to Lancaster PA
Bill I must have followed you as merchandise manager. Bill Hayes got the store the week before I got there as merchandise manager
Amazing how little we see from Florida. I worked at Store 784 in Plantation, Fla. and at the very first “Grant City” in Pembroke Pines. Grant City was so huge that it had its own weather, and would rain inside the store if the AC went on the fritz. At 784 I worked for a brilliant manager named Fred Stinson who eventually was transferred out to Texas. In 1974 I started law school, and went on to a legal career, but it is what I learned at Grants that served me well over the decades. I was the Department Manager for 32F (photography) .
First job after college! Display studios on 42 Street at Broadway, New York City. $53 per week!
STAR;ETTE KEATTS-RAGSDALE says:
BOY, I LOVED WORKING AT WT GRANTS, I WORKED THERE FOR 5 YEARS AT THE WT GRANTS DOWNTOWN INDIANAPOLIS.. IT WAS MY FIRST JOB. I WAS 16 YEARS OLD. THATS W=BEEN 50 YEARS AGO, I STILL HAVE DREAMS ABOUT WALKING AROUND THE STORE. IT IS EMPTY NOW BUT I HAVE WONDERFUL MEMORIES. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A WT GRANTS NOW. I BELIEVE IT WAS A BLESSING THAT I WORKED THERE I DID THE WINDOWS AND ADVERTISING FOR THE STORE. I DON’T THINK I WILL EVER FEEL AS GOOD AS I DID WORKING THERE,
Anyone remember the GRANT CITY in the CLARENCE MALL, Main & Transit in Williamsville? I worked next door at Park Edge Supermarket & went to the snack bar for their ‘roller grilled’ hot dogs and buttered, toasted rolls for lunches. Yum! I STILL have the toaster we bought there in 1975 (replaced the plug) and Bradford Freezer a year later (also STILL working).
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More About the K2 Campaign 0
Now that were in the midst of the showing the first batch of science grade data from the K2 mission, I thought I’d give some more details about the K2 light curves and how K2 mission works.
Planet transits are small changes in the star’s light, a Jupiter-sized object produces only a 1% drop in the brightness of a Sun-like star and Earth-sized planets generate even smaller dips at the 0.01 % level. Kepler needs the stars to be precisely positioned on its imaging plane in order to achieve the photometric accuracy required to detect these drops in light. To do this the stars have been positioned and kept at the same location with millipixel precision. Kepler was able to achieve this during it’s primary mission and the first half of its extended mission To do this Kepler used three reaction wheels (one for x, y, and z directions) with one backup spare to finely nudge the spacecraft to keep the target stars positioned during a Quarter. Kepler suffered two reaction wheel failures and can no longer operate in this mode. This effectively ended the monitoring of the Kepler field, that Kepler was staring at for 4 years. The drift of the spacecraft was too large that the photometric precision was sufficient enough for a transiting planet search.
A Kepler reaction wheel Image credit: Ball Areospace
This is where K2 comes in. The K2 mission repurposes the Kepler spacecraft. Kepler has thrusters but they are used for coarser pointing corrections, they can’t be used to be the fine adjustments that used to be achieved with the third reaction wheel, but you can use the Sun in a way to be that reaction wheel. This is how K2 works. If Kepler is pointed observing fields that are along the plane of the Solar System, than the two working reaction wheels are used to maintain the x-y locations of the stars on the focal plane with the Sun and thrusters taking care of the rest. Kepler is positioned such that the irradiation of the Sun is balanced which basically keeps the spacecraft from rotating. This is a quasi-stable and every 6 hours or so the spacecraft will start to roll. The thrusters can then be used to roll the spacecraft back to it’s original orientation. (You can see this in the raw light curves just plotted. You can see a Nike check-like feature that dips slowly and rapidly goes up.The light curve processing Andrew does tries to remove as many of those artifacts and others as possible. It does a pretty good job, though occasionally there may be an artifact that remains. ) This scheme works pretty well at keeping the stars on Kepler’s focal view located on the same pixels and achieves photometric precision about 3x time worse than what the original Kepler mission was achieving. With this, we can still find planets around other stars, especially smaller cooler stars.
image Credit: NASA/Ames/Kepler Team
The K2 light curves we’re currently showing on Planet Hunters come from Campaign 0. Campaign 0 is the first full science grade test field data for the K2 mission. Kepler was staring at a field centered around see a region of the sky plotted in the star chart below. The observations commenced on March 12 and the campaign was completed on March 27th of this year. Campaign 0 serves as a full shake down of the performance of the spacecraft in this new mode of operating. The specific targets Kepler monitored in the Campaign 0 were community driven with astronomer putting proposals for what they wanted to be observed, and were decided by a Time Allocation Committee (TAC) organized by the Kepler team. You can learn more about the observing proposals and selected targets for Campaign 0 here.
Campaign 0 K2 Field – Image Credit: NASA/Ames/Kepler Team
On the site we’re only showing roughly 30 days worth of data, that’s because the light curves derived from the second half of Campaign 0 are more indicative of what the rest of the K2 mission will be like, so we’re only looking at that data. The observations at the start of the Campaign 0 were taken with Kepler not in fine pointing mode with a guide star and thus the positional consistency of the target stars over time on the imager is lower, causing a decrease in the photometric accuracy. Therefore we’re focusing on the better quality second half data. Future K2 Campaigns will have the full ~75 days worth of data in fine point mode, and we plan on showing all of the observations on the Planet Hunters website in the future.
in Kepler Mission
Blurry Eyes and Stellar Contamination in the Kepler Light curves
The light curves you see on Planet Hunters are not always the light of a single star. Kepler has very very precise but blurry vision. The CCD pixels on Kepler’s focal plane are very big, four arcseconds to be exact. The light measured at each observation from several of these pixels are added together to create the light curve you see on Planet Hunters. So what does this exactly mean? In some cases the Kepler stars are pretty isolated, but in others there are fainter background stars that appear nearby in the sky can get blended with the light from the Kepler target star. It turns out you can hide a lot within 4 arcseconds.
This stellar contamination can impact what we see in the final light curve. If the main Kepler star has a transiting planet, the contaminating star can dilute the transits. The transits will look shallower than they really are, and you’ll estimate a small planet radius. Sometimes the fainter contaminating star is an eclipsing binary. Combined with the light from the brighter Kepler target star, the stellar eclipses from the eclipsing binary are diluted. The secondary eclipse (when the fainter cooler star goes behind the larger brighter star and the smaller cooler star’s light is blocked out) can be diluted such that it’s not seen and the primary stellar eclipse (when the smaller cooler star transits in front of the larger brighter star and blocks out a portion of the brighter star’s light) get shallower, looking like a planet transit. Other times depending on the brightness of the eclipsing binary, it will look like the main Kepler target is the eclipsing binary when it’s not.
This is something the Kepler mission always had to deal with and there are some observational checks and data tests that can help determine whether the transit-like signal is likely coming from the actual Kepler target star. You can take follow-up observations like we did for PH1 b and PH2 b using telescopes with adaptive optics that minimize the blurring effects of the Earth’s atmosphere to zoom in around the Kepler target star to look for contaminating stars. Also you can look for shifts in the position of the brightest pixel during and before and after a transit which signals the transit signal isn’t coming from the primary Kepler target star. Also you can look at the individual pixel by pixel light curves from Kepler (Kepler reads out a subimage around each target star and a small number of those pixels get added together to make the Kepler light curve)and see if the transit signal or eclipsing binary signal is present in every pixel or if you see say an eclipsing binary signal in one pixel making the light curve and in pixels near by around a different star. Here’s an example from some of the Planet Hunters volunteers who examined to see if an eclipsing binary was contaminating a light curve.
Despite Kepler’s slightly blurry eyes, we can use a host of techniques to try and rule out false positives, identify where there is stellar contamination, and still find planets. So bear this in mind when you see the light curves, that although it’s likely most of the star’s light is from the Kepler target star, a tiny portion (in most cases) is contributed by neighboring stars.
Source contaminating the main Kepler target that confirmed circumbinary planet PH1 b orbits (the contaminating source itself happens to be a visual binary)
in Site News
Suggested Talk Hashtags
As part of the new Planet Hunters classification interface, the Summary page (see below) suggests some hashtags you could use to label the light curves you’re seeing in Talk and in the Talk comment area on the Summary page. A few people on Talk have asked for a full list, so here’s a handy list of the first set of hashtags suggested by the science team at launch of the new Planet Hunters.
Classification summary page. A suggested hashtag to be on the eye out for is suggested in the left in the red box.
#rrlyrae
RR Lyrae Star – Pulsating star with periods ~1/2 day
#cepheid
Pulsating star with periods >1 day.
#pulsating
Pulsators – Rapid up and down changes in brightness on the order of a few hours
#eclipsingbinary
Eclipsing binary – A star transits another star, often exhibiting V-shape and uneven transit depth
#cv
Cataclysmic variable – Cataclysmic variables (cv’s) are a class of stars where the sudden ignition of material on the surface of a white dwarf results in gigantic increase in brightness for several days before returning to natural quiescent state.
#variable
Variable star – Change in brightness on timescales greater than 1 day. May be periodic or non-periodic.
#heartbeatstar
Heartbeat star – Two stars get very close together but avoid collision. Their structure changes, and the light curve exhibits a shape like a cadiogram.
#glitch
glitch – Occasional malfunction of data reduction pipeline.
#transitingplanet
Planet transit – A planet goes in front of a star and blocks a portion of the star light
#flare
Stellar flare – Sudden brightening of a star, often associated with massive material ejection. duration of a few hours. Typically non-periodic.
These listed above are suggested hashtags the science team has come up with. A light curve can definitely be described by more than one hashtag. Also do feel free to use your own hashtags too. There are many more ways to describe and sort the light curves and stars. You can see the most frequent hashtags being used by the Planet Hunters community on the left side of Talk under ‘popular hashtags’
in Papers, Planets
A New Paper and New Planet Discoveries
Today we have a post from Joey Schmitt, a graduate student in the Astronomy department at Yale University, where he is working with the exoplanet group led by Debra Fischer, and in particular he has been working on the follow-up of Planet Hunters planet candidates.
We’re happy to announce the discovery of a new planet discovered by Planet Hunters volunteers, which is now published in The Astrophysical Journal. You can read the article for free on the arXiv here.
The star (PH3/Kepler-289/KOI-1353/KIC 7303287) is young and Sun-like. Two planets in the system, with periods of 35 and 126 days, had been previously validated statistically, the outer planet being a gas giant. However, Planet Hunters volunteers discovered a third transit signal between these two planets at a period of 66 days (PH3 c).
A quirk in the system allowed us to actually measure the mass of all the planets using only the exact times that each planet transited. The outer two planets, PH3 c and d, do not have a constant period like most planets do. Instead, it oscillates around an average value in a regular manner, which meant that it had been missed by computer algorithms but was easy to find for human eyes. In particular, the period of PH3 c changes by 10.5 hours in just 10 orbits due to the gravitational influence of the outer gas giant tugging on the middle planet. If Earth experienced such large changes, then if 2014 were 365 days long, 2024 would be 367.4 days long, almost two and a half days longer than 2014.
The new planet is about 2.7 times the radius of Earth and 4 times as massive. Its low density means that, despite its low mass, a large chunk of the planet must be composed of hydrogen and helium: 2% by mass and 50% by radius. The outer planet, on the other hand, is like a warm version of our Saturn, while the inner planet’s mass is poorly known. It could be mostly rocky, watery, or gassy.
We would like to thank all of the people involved in the project and all of the Planet Hunters volunteers for making this possible. We hope to find more gems like this in the future.
An Introduction to the New Planet Hunters Talk
There were some big changes to the Planet Hunters website and our Talk discussion tool yesterday. Along with the main Planet Hunters website and classification interface being completely rebuilt, we are now pairing the main Planet Hunters website with the latest version of the Zooniverse’s Talk discussion tool. Now when you go to http://talk.planethunters.org it will take you to Planet Hunters Talk 2.0. In this blog, I’ll give you a brief overview and introduction to the new features added into Planet Hunters Talk.
What happened to the original Planet Hunters Talk?
Before I introduce the new features of Planet Hunters Talk 2.0, I wanted to give an update of what happened to the original Planet Hunters Talk. The original Planet Hunters talk is still online at http://oldtalk.planethunters.org, and you’ll find a link to it on the navigation bar of the New Talk. The original Talk is a repository of discussions and discoveries, and we’re not taking it offline or shutting it down. You can still log in and post there. The differences in how stars are treated between the two versions and the sheer volume of interconnected discussions and comments makes it very difficult and time consuming to attempt to migrate that content to Talk 2.0. There’s a very real chance we could do this incorrectly, so we thought the safest option was to leave the original Planet Hunters Talk online as resource and with all light curves shown from Planet Hunters 2.0 going to the new Talk.
Starcentric versus light curve chunk-centric
There are a few key differences between new Planet Hunters Talk and the original version. Firstly how we treat the stars is different. On the original Planet Hunters Talk, we treated each 30-day light curve section shown in the classification interface as a different entry in Talk with its own page, where people could leave 140 character comments and start side conversations. So a single star would have many discussions spread across different light curve Talk pages with no easy way to tell that someone had posted a comment about a different quarter. In the new version of Talk, we give each star a Talk page (with the APH ID representing the Planet Hunters ID for the star) so comments and conversations are grouped together from people who see the different light curves chunks from the star.
Overview of Planet Hunters Talk 2.0
Talk Subject Page
Below is an example of a Talk page for star APH0000622 (http://talk.planethunters.org/#/subjects/APH0000622). Here you’ll be presented with a light curve viewer for the star with all available quarters of Kepler data for this star to peruse through (if you enter this page from the main classification interface the light curve chunk you reviewed in the classification interface will be automatically loaded in the light curve window). Later in the future, we plan to add scrolling and zooming capability to the light curve viewer. In addition we list the Kepler id for the star, and any other information we have for the star (like radius and temperature) and some useful links which we’ll describe in more detail in another blog post.Like original Talk, you can make collections, write 140 character comments, add hashtags, and have longer side discussions about the star and the light curve you reviewed.
Side Discussions:
Just like old Talk, if you have more to say than 140 characters there’s the ability in New Talk to start and have longer side discussions about the star. The difference is that now you have to select which topic, Help, Science or Chat your discussion will be about it and then click on the Post button to start the discussion. this is because the discussion is also linked and archived for easy access on the Discussion Boards (more about this in the next section).
New Talk has discussion boards (which you can navigate to with the top bar by clicking on Discussion Boards) like original Talk in three categories: Help, Science, and Chat. The main difference is there are now subboards under each of these three headings where you can post and start discussion threads.
You’ll notice that each of the three board categories has an ‘The Objects’ subboard. This is where you can also access the side discussions you make on the star Talk pages. They get linked and archived here for so they’re easy to find by the Planet Hunters community and the science team. In the old version of Talk a side discussions were often buried and hard to get to. Now you can quickly check out each ‘The Objects” board and see what longer discussions people were having about a given star.
Front Page/Recent Page
The font page of Talk accessible when you go directly to http://talk.planethunters.org ( or by clicking on the Recent tab in Talk) lists the most recent 140 character comments made on Talk as well as displays the latest comments in the discussion board threads for easy access. By clicking on the comment, you’ll get taken to the Talk page for the given star. By clicking on the discussion board post, will take you to directly to that thread.
Entering Talk:
You can either go directly to the Talk website by url – http://talk.planethunters.org or you can access Talk through the main Planet Hunters classification interface. Once your classification for a light curve is submitted in the main interface, a summary page appears (see below). Here you can directly write a 140 character comment about the light curve you saw (that will appear on the star’s Talk page) without leaving the classification interface. If you click ‘Discuss on Talk’ you’ll be brought to the Talk page for the star with the light curve chunk you reviewed queued up in the light curve viewer.
Summary page in the main Planet Hunters classification interface
Messaging:
Direct/private messages on New Talk are a little different that has been done in the past for Planet Hunters. You won’t get an email when someone sends you a private message, instead the envelope icon on the top right of the navigation bar (by the return to classifying button) will tell if you have any unread messages. If you have an new unread message, the envelope will brighten and the number of unread messages will be listed. Clicking on the envelope or the Profile tab will take you to your list of messages.
More Features and Upgrades to Come
We wanted to get to the new interface out to you as fast as we could so that we’ll be ready for the K2 data which we’re currently processing and placing in a format the new interface can read in. There are some small finishing touches the Zooniverse developers will be adding in the coming days to new Planet Hunters Talk. Thanks for your patience as we go through these small growing pains with the project. If you have suggestions of features you would like to see in Talk, please post your ideas in this thread, and we’ll try our best to accommodate those requests.
Need Help? Ask the Planet Hunters Talk Moderators
The Planet Hunters Talk moderators (TonyJHoffman, constovich, and echo-lily-mai) are standing by ready and willing to help. So if you’ve got a question about the new Planet Hunters or Talk don’t hesitate to ask them.
in K2, Kepler Mission, Site News
A Brand New Planet Hunters
On December 16, 2010, the Zooniverse launched Planet Hunters to enlist the public’s help to search for extrasolar planets (exoplanets) in the data from NASA’s Kepler spacecraft. Back then we didn’t know what we would find. It may have been the case that no new planets were discovered and that computers had the job down to a fine art. The project was a gamble on the ability of human pattern recognition to beat machines just occasionally and spot the telltale dip in a star’s brightness due to a transiting planet that was missed by automated routines looking for repeating patterns.
Nearly four years later, Planet Hunters has become a success beyond anyone’s expectation. To date 8 published scientific papers have resulted from the efforts of nearly 300,000 volunteers worldwide. Planet Hunters has discovered 9 planet candidate co-discoveries with the Kepler effort, over 30 unknown planet candidates not previously identified by the Kepler team, a confirmed transiting circumbinary planet in a quadruple star system (PH1b), a confirmed Jupiter-sized planet in the habitable zone of a Sun-like star (PH2b), and identified the 7th planet candidate of a 7 planet star system.
Today in collaboration with JPL’s PlanetQuest, the Planet Hunters science team and the Zooniverse are proud to announce the launch of Planet Hunters version 2.0. We’ve taken your feedback and the lessons learned over the past 3.5 years to build a fast new interface that we think will take the project to the next stage. Using the Zooniverse’s latest technology, Planet Hunters 2.0 is built specifically with the next generation of transiting exoplanet surveys in mind, including the new K2 mission, which repurposes the Kepler spacecraft.
Kepler had been monitoring ~170,000 stars for the signatures of transiting exoplanets over the past 4 years in the Kepler field located in the constellations of Cygnus and Lyra. The new-two wheel Kepler mission dubbed ‘K2‘ will have Kepler observing brand new sets of 10,000-20,000 stars every 75 days. These stars are different from the sources that Kepler had been monitoring in the past. Your eyes will be one of the first to gaze upon these observations. Most of the K2 target stars will have never before been searched for planets, providing a new opportunity to find distant worlds. K2 observations will be made available by NASA and the Kepler team to the entire astronomical community and the public shortly after being transmitted to Earth and processed. We aim to get them on Planet Hunters 2.0 as fast as we can.
We think that Planet Hunters 2.0 will play a key role for finding extrasolar planets in the age of K2, and we have built a site we think can deliver the best science and find interesting planets with your help. We aim for rapid identification and dissemination of planet candidates discovered by Planet Hunters in the K2 era. You’ll hear more about additional new features and tools built into Planet Hunters 2.0 for analyzing K2 light curves closer to the release of the first K2 engineering observations sometime this month.
We also know there is much interesting and valuable science left to do with the Kepler field data. Much of the four years of Kepler field data has not been searched by the original Planet Hunters, and there may very likely be planets lurking in the light curves missed by the computers waiting for you discover. The new Planet Hunters will start by focusing all 17 quarters of observations on a subset of the Kepler field stars starting with cool M dwarf stars, the most common star in the Galaxy. We’ll use the classifications from these select set of stars from the original Kepler mission as well the new K2 observations to study the variety of planetary systems and their frequencies.
You’ll hear more about the science goals of Planet Hunters 2.0 and new functionality, tools, and guides built into the website in the coming days and weeks. We’re excited about this new phase of the project, and we hope you are as well. We don’t know what we’ll find, but with your help, we can’t wait to find out! Whether you’re new to the project or a seasoned veteran, with the new and improved Planet Hunters you can search for planets around other stars like never before.
It’s just possible that you might be the first to know that a star somewhere out there in the Milky Way has a companion, just as our Sun does.
Fancy giving it’s a try?
Yesterday marks the start of a new era for the Kepler spacecraft with the public release of the first observations from K2, the two-wheeled Kepler mission.
After four years of staring at the same field and the failure of 2 reaction wheels on the Kepler spacecraft, Kepler is now observing ever changing fields on the ecliptic, plane of the Solar System, for periods of ~75 days. From March to May of this year, Kepler stared at the same patch of sky monitoring stars nearly continuously for planet transits, supernovae, among other reasons. You can find more details about Campaign 0 here and the K2 mission here. Now there’s a new set of stars never before looked at, that may be harboring unknown and undiscovered planets. The Planet Hunters science team and Zooniverse team are working hard to getting the K2 data prepared and ready for showing on the Planet Hunters website.
There are some new challenges to overcome in order to get the K2 data ready, but we’re working on making it possible in the near future to view K2 data Thanks to funding from JPL PlanetQuest, we’ve been able to rebuild the Planet Hunters website to make Planet Hunters 2.0. These past many months the Zooniverse development team and the science team have been working to make Planet Hunters 2 easier to use as well as faster and more efficient for searching for exoplanet transits in Kepler field data and especially with the K2 mission in mind. We’ve incorporated much of the feedback we’ve gotten from you over the past 3 years into the rebuild. The site is not quite ready from prime time, but will be very soon. Stay tuned to this space for more updates on Planet Hunters 2 and the K2 data. In the meantime if you have questions about the rebuild we’ll try to answer them on Talk here.
A sneek peak of the new Planet Hunters front page
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Naming Exoplanets
With next year being the 20th anniversary of the discovery of the first planet orbiting a main-sequence star outside our Solar System, it’s exciting to think that the official naming of extrasolar planets (exoplanets) and their host stars is becoming a reality.
The International Astronomical Union’s (IAU) Exoplanets for the Public Working Group, which includes astronomers Alain Lecavelier des Etangs, Chris Lintott (Zooniverse founder and PI ), Geoff Marcy, Andrew Cameron, Eric Mamajek, and Didier Queloz, have come up with a process approved by the IAU that will be implemented to allow the public to join in the naming of these distant worlds. The first set of 20-30 exoplanets and their host stars will be formally bestowed names in July 2015, just months before the October anniversary of 51 Pegasi b’s discovery.
Back in July the IAU announced the naming process and how the public will take center stage. Here’s a brief overview of what will happen over the next year. In September astronomy clubs and astronomy-related non-profit organizations will be able to register to take part in the naming process. These groups in October-December 2014 will vote to pick the first set of 20-30 exoplanets to be named from a list of 305 planets discovered before December 31, 2008. Then in December 2014, these clubs, groups, and organizations will submit naming proposals for the planetary systems (both the planets in them and the host star). Valid proposals will then be subject to a public vote in March of 2015. Anyone can vote at that point, and the most popular name will be bestowed as the formal name during the IAU General Assembly meeting in August 2015 in Honolulu, Hawaii. Like named minor planets in our Solar System, these exoplanets will still keep their license plate identifiers (like GJ 436 b) given at discovery as alternate designators , but their formal names will be the ones from the public vote.
One day in the future PH1b and PH2b will likely be offered a similar opportunity to be named. I fully expect when that happens that the Planet Hunters community will submit a proposal for their names. At this point, the Planet Hunters science team is fairly confident that Planet Hunters counts as an online non-profit astronomy organization and will be able to take part in voting on which systems should be named and submitting a naming proposal. Watch this space over the coming months for updates and further news as the IAU naming process gets underway.
You can learn more on the specifics and the rules and regulations of the exoplanet naming process at the IAU and Zooniverse’s NameExoWorlds website: http://www.nameexoworlds.org
(Full disclosure- I’m on the science teams for two astronomy/planetary science-based Zooniverse projects. I’m not involved in any way with creation or implementation of this IAU initiative, but I work with collaborators who are)
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The Kepler in TESS
By the end of September, the first science grade K2 observations from Campaign 0 should be made available to the astronomical community and the public. Stayed tuned to this space for updates on the data release and how we’re making Planet Hunters ready to accommodate the K2 observations. While we eagerly await the public release of the first full science grade data from K2, I’ve been thinking about how K2 serves as a stepping stone to TESS, which is expected to launch in 3 years from now.
Over its 2 year mission, TESS is going to monitor ~200,000 of the brightest stars across the sky for the signs of exoplanet transits by taking measurements of the stars’ brightness every 2 minutes. Most of these stars will be observed for only 27 days in total (though some patches of sky will be observed longer – see the expected sky coverage plot below) , but the worlds discovered around these bright stars, unlike most of the Kepler planet candidates and confirmed planets, will be able to be followed-up using ground-based techniques and technology as well as from the space-based James Webb Space Telescope (JWST). This will enable astronomers to probe the composition and structure of these planets’ atmospheres as well as their bulk composition.
Expected TESS sky coverage from Ricker et al. (2014)
One thing that I hadn’t appreciated from TESS was the engineering images it will take in addition to the 2 minute light curves. TESS will target a small number of bright stars at a 2 minute cadence, but every 30 minutes TESS will take the equivalent of a full frame engineering image across its roughly 2000 square degree field-of-view. These means we basically get the equivalent of Kepler observations but with blurrier vision (Kepler had pixels that covered 4 arcseconds per pixel. TESS’s are much larger covering 21 arcseconds) and 20x more area. Below is a simulation generated of what a subsection of one of these engineering images might look like from a presentation by TESS principal investigator George Ricker at NASA’s Exoplanet Exploration Program Analysis Group (ExoPAG) meeting back in January.
Simulation of a portion of a TESS full frame engineering image – Image credit: TESS Team take from George Ricker’s January 2014 NASA’s Exoplanet Exploration Program Analysis Group (ExoPAG) presentation
We know from Kepler that it is possible to detect a plethora of exoplanet transits with 30 minute observations, so there is an exciting prospect of mining the engineering images. With the science that has already been done with Kepler both in the field of exoplanets and other astrophysics, the TESS engineering images will no doubt be a treasure trove of data waiting to be tapped into.Before Kepler the only star that had been monitored to such precision and cadence was the Sun. Kepler has changed that, but TESS will take it to the next level. With the Kepler-like quality of the engineering data, it means that if you don’t like the stars the TESS team decided to target, anyone can do an exoplanet search on other stars in the TESS field among other searches and studies like looking for supernovae or cataclysmic variables. There is a wealth of science to be mined out of the TESS full frame images, and I think there is a potential for citizen science (and likely Planet Hunters) to play a role in utilizing these observations to their fullest.
If you’re interested in learning more about the TESS spacecraft , camera design, and mission goals you can check out this paper by the TESS Team which is where I got the information for this post.
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Your Chance to Feature Planet Hunters on the Daily Zooniverse
Each day something new from across all the Zooniverse projects is featured on the Daily Zooniverse blog organized by the Zooniverse’s Grant Miller. Have you classified a weird light curve or participated in an interesting discussion on Talk? Now’s the chance to have that highlighted on the Daily Zooniverse. Grant and the Daily Zoonvierse team are looking for contributions from the volunteers of Zooniverse projects (including Planet Hunters) to feature. Just add the hashtag #dailyzoo to a light curve or discussion page on Talk to nominate it.
If you want to also share your nominations with the rest of the Planet Hunters community, there is a thread started on Talk where you can can list your finds for everyone to see (do make sure to include the hashtag). If you’re looking for inspiration Echo-lily-mai, one of our Planet Hunters Talk moderators, has nominated this folded light curve plot of a candidate heartbeat star made by volunteer Sean63 :
Image Credit: Sean63/Planet Hunters
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The Human Limit of Speed-Puzzling?
Posted on July 23, 2019 by gmdirect
When you think about achieving the impossible, what comes to mind? For runners, there’s beating the 4-minute mile. For the 100-meter sprint, it’s topping 10 seconds.
What do you suppose the puzzle equivalent would be? Solving puzzle #1 at the American Crossword Puzzle Tournament in under 2 minutes? We’ve seen Dan Feyer do that, and it was seriously impressive.
For Rubik’s Cube enthusiasts — especially the competitors known as speed-solvers or speed-cubers — that benchmark is a sub-3 second solve.
The current verified world record for speed-solving a Rubik’s Cube stands at 3.4 seconds, which shattered the previous record by almost a second.
(That record is for a single solve. Many Rubik’s Cube competitions involve an average time across five solved cubes, and the speed record for that hovers somewhere around 5 seconds.)
A lot goes into achieving a 3.4 second solve. There are specially designed cubes that allow for easier, quicker, smoother twisting and turning, so you can solve faster. I’m sure anyone who has solved a classic Rubik’s Cube found it at least a little bit clunky.
There’s also technique. Top solvers not only memorize solving patterns known as algorithms, but they have preferred combinations of moves.
It has been mathematically proven that no matter how complicated a scramble gets, you’re never more than 20 moves away from the solve. Now, of course a computer can analyze a cube and figure out those 20 moves. The human mind doesn’t work that way, so even top speed-solvers would require many more moves to solve the cube, even if they’re still lightning fast.
Which brings us to the next aspect of speed-solving: efficiency. Sometimes the fewest number of moves isn’t the fastest solve. For instance, if you have to rotate the cube in order to execute a turn, you’re wasting time you could otherwise spend twisting and turning toward the solution. So some solvers will avoid a slower rotational move by doing two turns instead, which ends up being faster overall. The trade-off of speed vs. efficiency is another way speed-solvers are whittling down time and approaching that 3-second threshold.
Top solvers can execute ten turns or moves per second. Based on the idea that no Rubik’s Cube is more than 20 moves away from being solved, that mathematically implies that a 2-second solve should be possible, if not probable.
In fairness, we’ve seen a solve take less than a second, but that involved a computer program and a robot solver.
So where do we currently stand? Well, there’s the 3.4 second official record, but former champion Feliks Zemdegs claims that, in training, he has achieved a 3.01 second solve.
Another speed-solver, Patrick Ponce, claims that he has solved a 3×3 cube in 2.99 seconds, but again, this is an unofficial time.
That being said, it certainly seems like the 3-second threshold, like the 4-minute mile before it, will eventually fall.
How fast is the human limit? Only time will tell.
[Sources: Rubik’s WCA World Championship, World Cube Association, Wired.]
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Fujitsu Launches Inter-Blockchain Payment System
Fujitsu launched its new ConnectionChain payments technology aimed at facilitating transactions between different Blockchains.
Japanese IT major Fujitsu launched its new ConnectionChain payments technology aimed at facilitating transactions between Blockchain in mid-November 2017.
The payments system intends to provide a means for different cryptocurrency networks to interoperate with each other.
In its statement, the company said that that there is an increasing number of activities around digital currency exchanges and initial coin offerings (ICO). However, to effectively achieve a successful settlement between digital currencies, there should be a dependable application to manage the currency exchange processing at the boundaries between the Blockchains in a transparent manner.
"Settlement between virtual currencies managed using Blockchains, however, requires a reliable application to handle the currency exchange processing at the boundaries between the Blockchains, and ensuring transparency in this process has been an ongoing issue.”
According to the company, the payments technology can resolve the issues surrounding such transactions by inter-connecting multiple Blockchains and execute a single transaction process that can be automatically executed.
Part of Fujitsu’s description of its new product reads:
"Fujitsu Laboratories has now developed an extension of smart contract technology which inter-connects multiple Blockchains by recording the series of related transactions on each chain in a dedicated Blockchain, or a "connection-type chain," to link to the currency exchange into a single transaction process that can be automatically executed. It has also developed a transaction control technology to synchronize execution timing of the transaction process on each chain."
Fujitsu also announced that it plans to commercialize the technology starting 2018. However, the company claimed that this will depend on the results of additional testing and development of the product.
"Fujitsu Laboratories will continue expanding this technology beyond currency exchange to areas such as high-trust data exchanges between companies and contract automation, while also continuing to conduct trials in a variety of fields, with the goal of commercialization in fiscal 2018 and beyond.”
Fujitsu is one of the many companies looking to explore the commercial applications of Blockchain technology. Earlier this year, the Japanese tech giant has partnered up with banking associations to explore how Blockchain can be used in the banking system.
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DVD REVIEW: I DREAM OF JEANNIE – THE COMPLETE FOURTH SEASON
Troy Anderson
BUY IT FROM AMAZON: CLICK HERE!
Time 654 minutes
Previews for other SONY TV on
magical Arab infiltrates the United States Air Force, hilarity ensues.
Larry Hagman, Barbara Eden, Bill Daily, Hayden Rorke and Barton MacLane
“Jeannie’s
Thulsa Doom impression took time, nevertheless Major Nelson was still
impressed.”
of Jeannie is one of those pop culture touchstones that dotted the television
landscape in the 1960s. The show tells the tale of Captain Anthony Nelson and
his fateful discovery a bottle containing a genie. He rubs the bottle and out
pops the only fair-haired Djinn in the known world. Together they spent the
time bumbling Air Force business and getting into hi-jinks with the biggest
gallery of studio day-players this side of Petticoat Junction.
Hagman really wanted to play Arnim Zola in the worst way. But, Favreau wasn’t
going to add him to the Iron Man movie.”
of Jeannie was never one of those shows that I made time to watch on Nick at
Nite. I hate to say that I always stayed within the realms of 70s/80s sitcom
reruns, but nobody challenges Alex P. Keaton for my television viewing dollar.
But, I
was pulled into the world of 1960s sitcoms and hour long dramas by my parents.
Between marathon sessions of The Andy Griffith Show and their favorite thing
ever M*A*S*H, I feel that I’ve developed a special place in the pit of my
heart for these laugh tracked filled glimpses of another era.
Nelson’s sphincter tightened as Jeannie got ready to blink her third Anal
Intruder into existence.”
of I Dream of Jeannie opens with very little development to the tried and
true formula that had kept the show afloat for years. Jeannie gets into trouble
and Major Nelson has to sort it out, while trying to keep his employers from
knowing any better. The only major difference to the pattern of formulaic
episodes is that Major Healy gets to crowd in on the Nelson and Jeannie
hi-jinks for a huge chunk of this season’s episodes.
really the problem with the sitcoms of that Era. It’s not to say that the
problems were strictly relegated to the infancy period of the Television
medium. You can find it all the way up to hour long drama’s attempt to break
the serious nature of other entertainment mediums to primetime. After all, how
many times did you see an episode about William Daniels getting into mischief
with a new puppy on St. Elsewhere? That’s right; you didn’t see that crap go
down with Dr. Mark Craig. You had to wait to see him slum it on Boy Meets
World to get a taste of the puppy lovin’.
Presentation Quality on this set is top-notch for a show of its age. But,
that’s to be expected as the show has been Digitally Remastered and trimmed
here and there for the benefit of worldwide syndication. If you’re a fan of the
show, I recommend picking it up on the first week release sales via Amazon.
But, if you’re just casually invested, there’s not enough material here to make
you take the plunge.
the real death knell of this set. It does a great job of bringing the complete
fourth season of the show to DVD, but when you look at it really
hard…you wonder if all the work was really necessary. But, this is keeping from
a guy that owns the complete run of She Spies and What’s Happening on two
different formats.
“Jeannie:
Fucking the sight back into Master since 1965.”
almost becoming a uniform decision by the major studios to release their TV on DVD sets in slipcovers housing
Slimline cases. That’s not to say that I don’t like this move, as I’ve got
thick Deadwood and Rome cases that make shifting around
DVDs to be a pain in the ass.
You might
wonder why I’m paying so much attention to the actual package itself. Well,
when you don’t include any special features with a show…sometimes, I sit in awe
of DVD packaging. Not really, I’m just
trying to call attention to the fact that Sony could’ve put a little something
on here for the customers.
care if it’s an Electronic Press Kit, a photo gallery or even a montage
dedicated to Barbara Eden’s navel. Something beats nothing and the Jeannie
fan got the short end of the stick. Which if you’re actually an obsessive fan
of the show, you should take the stick and jab your eyes out with it. You don’t
deserve eyes for obsessing over what’s an easily forgettable bit of Cold War
Pop Culture fluff.
Hagman always liked to take the Bobby Kennedy Memorial route through the Hotel
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Category Archives: Election 2016
Georgia and Michigan received “F” in 2012 on anti corruption measures, GA SOS Brian Kemp, 650+ govt employees received gifts from vendors in 2007 – 2008
“we did have a problem with one of the vote scanners.”…Tom Rees, chairman of Floyd County’s Board of Elections
“We discovered that these systems are subject to different types of unauthorized manipulation and potential fraud,” “There is a reason that Texas rejected it,”...Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton
”They’ve got to be outcome determinative, but I will tell you, the Lt. Gov. [Geoff Duncan] in Georgia, the Secretary of State in Georgia [Brad Raffensperger] in Georgia, they’re in for quite a shock on Monday and Tuesday about how poorly they run and they ran – there’s going to be a proof – of how poorly run they ran the elections in one of their major counties,”…Attorney Jordan Sekulow
From Citizen Wells March 19, 2012.
“We already knew that Georgia is a corrupt state. We learned this during the recent handling of the Obama ballot challenges in GA by the behaviour of the Secretary of State, other election officials and the GA courts. We now have independent confirmation from a recent study of state ethics, open records and disclosure laws.
From State Integrity Investigation.
“The tales are sadly familiar to even the most casual observer of state politics.
In Georgia, more than 650 government employees accepted gifts from vendors doing business with the state in 2007 and 2008, clearly violating state ethics law. The last time the state issued a penalty on a vendor was 1999.”
“The stories go on and on. Open records laws with hundreds of exemptions. Crucial budgeting decisions made behind closed doors by a handful of power brokers. “Citizen” lawmakers voting on bills that would benefit them directly. Scores of legislators turning into lobbyists seemingly overnight. Disclosure laws without much disclosure. Ethics panels that haven’t met in years.
State officials make lofty promises when it comes to ethics in government. They tout the transparency of legislative processes, accessibility of records, and the openness of public meetings. But these efforts often fall short of providing any real transparency or legitimate hope of rooting out corruption.
That’s the depressing bottom line that emerges from the State Integrity Investigation, a first-of-its-kind, data-driven assessment of transparency, accountability and anti-corruption mechanisms in all 50 states. Not a single state — not one — earned an A grade from the months-long probe. Only five states earned a B grade: New Jersey, Connecticut, Washington, California, and Nebraska. Nineteen states got C’s and 18 received D’s. Eight states earned failing grades of 59 or below from the project, which is a collaboration of the Center for Public Integrity, Global Integrity, and Public Radio International.
The F’s went to Michigan, North Dakota, South Carolina, Maine, Virginia, Wyoming, South Dakota, and Georgia.
What’s behind the dismal grades? Across the board, state ethics, open records and disclosure laws lack one key feature: teeth.
“It’s a terrible problem,” said Tim Potts, executive director of the nonprofit advocacy group Democracy Rising PA, which works to inspire citizen trust in government. “A good law isn’t worth anything if it’s not enforced.””
“Using a combination of on-the-ground investigative reporting and original data collection and analysis, the State Integrity Index researched 330 “Integrity Indicators” across 14 categories of state government: public access to information, political financing, executive accountability, legislative accountability, judicial accountability, state budget processes, civil service management, procurement, internal auditing, lobbying disclosure, pension fund management, ethics enforcement, insurance commissions, and redistricting.
Indicators assess what laws, if any, are on the books (“in law” indicator) and whether the laws are effective in practice (“in practice” indicators). In many states, the disconnect between scores on a state’s law and scores in practice suggest a serious “enforcement gap.”
In other words, the laws are there, just not always followed.”
“While there are many examples that highlight a lack of resources, others assert that political factors may also be at play.
Georgia’s legislature slashed the ethics commission’s budget, eliminating all investigative positions and eventually forcing out its two top staffers. The former executive director claimed the funding cuts came with ulterior motives; at the time, the agency was pursuing an investigation against Governor Nathan Deal for improper use of campaign funds and exceeding campaign finance limits. Deal said the cuts were in line with what happened to other agencies. The state’s inspector general followed with an investigation, but found no evidence to support the claim of the commission’s former executive director.
Political loyalties can be a potential problem, especially since many ethics agencies are staffed by gubernatorial or legislative appointments.”
“For state judges, it’s a similar situation. Nearly all states have rules, codes, or regulations outlining recusal requirements, but again they leave it up to the judges to decide their own impartiality.
“There’s a longstanding principal that no judge should be the judge in his or her own case,” said Charlie Hall, director of communications for Justice at Stake, a national organization that promotes a fair and impartial court system. “There’s a strong sense by many that if one party asks a judge to step aside, there’s something not satisfying by the judge saying, ‘I think I can be impartial. I can make the decision.’”
Nine states don’t require judges to disclose outside assets, making it almost impossible to determine if a judge has a conflict at all. And in states where judges run for election, the potential for conflicts to arise is even greater.
“Special interests have discovered judicial elections and the money is pouring in,” Hall said.
Spending on judicial elections more than doubled in the past 20 years. From 2000 to 2009, special interests funneled about $206 million into court elections, up from about $83 million in the previous decade.””
https://citizenwells.com/2012/03/19/georgia-gets-f-on-anti-corruption-measures-ga-courts-prove-corrupt-in-obama-ballot-challenges-state-integrity-investigation-ethics-open-records-and-disclosure-laws/
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FBI interfered in 2020 election by withholding Hunter Biden laptop, USDOJ still very corrupt by March 2020, Timely release likely would have affected Biden’s nomination
“Instead of doing so, the government has continued to defy its
constitutional, ethical and legal obligations to this Court and to the defense, and to hide evidence that it knows exonerates Mr. Flynn. As is the essence of the problem here, instead of protecting its citizens, the “government” is protecting its own criminal conduct and operatives.”…Attorney Sidney Powell
“We know truth of something being falsely stated to public”...FBI General Flynn notes January 25, 2017
“FBI Is Stonewalling Congressional Oversight On Hunter Biden”…The Federalist October 8, 2020
Fact: The Obama Justice Department and FBI that President Trump inherited was corrupt.
Fact: The Hunter Biden laptop was in the possession of the FBI in December 2019.
Fact: If the data from the laptop had been made available to Congress, it is likely the impeachment of President Trump would have been stopped in its tracks.
Fact: If the data from the laptop had been provided to Senate committees by March 2020, it is likely that Joe Biden would not have received the Democrat nomination.
The FBI interfered in the 2020 election!
From Citizen Wells October 25, 2020.
“From the Senate Committees on Homeland Security and Finance:
Hunter Biden, Burisma,
and Corruption:
The Impact on U.S.
Government Policy and
Related Concerns
“On July 16, mere days before the Democrats’ July 13 letter became public, Ranking Member Peters and Ranking Member Wyden wrote to the Chairmen to request a briefing from the FBI’s Foreign Influence Task Force and other relevant members of the IC on matters related to the Committees’ investigation.233 On July 28, 2020, the Chairmen responded to the Ranking
Members and reminded them that in March 2020, the FBI and relevant members of the IC had briefed the Committees regarding the investigation and provided assurances at that time that there was no reason that the Committees should not continue their investigation.”
July 28, 2020 Letter:
“We write in response to your July 16, 2020 letter, which “reiterate[s]” a request for a member briefing from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and relevant members of the Intelligence Community (IC). As you are fully aware, the FBI advised all of us during a March 2020 staff briefing that there was nothing to preclude the continuation of our investigation.
Nevertheless, HSGAC Majority and Minority requested a member briefing from these agencies months ago. Those agencies made clear to our staff that they did not have any additional information to provide and that the relevant written products members have had access to for months speak for themselves.”
https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-07-28%20RHJ-CEG%20Letter%20to%20Peters-Wyden%20%28Defensive%20Briefing%29.pdf
After taking possession of the Hunter Biden laptop in December 2019, the FBI tells them in a March 2020 meeting:
“made clear to our staff that they did not have any additional information to provide”
So who at the FBI kept this important information from the Senate Committees?”
https://citizenwells.com/2020/10/25/fbi-hunter-biden-laptop-smoking-gun-from-march-2020-staff-briefing-to-senate-committees-did-not-have-any-additional-information-to-provide/
From Attorney Ty Clevenger July 22, 2020.
“A couple of weeks ago I noticed that the FBI’s FOIA letters were no longer signed by Section Chief David M. Hardy, but by Acting Section Chief Michael G. Seidel. What happened to Mr. Hardy? You may recall that Mr. Hardy filed a sworn declaration in 2018 claiming that the FBI searched its files and located no records about Seth Rich.
In September of 2019, however, Judicial Watch obtained an email string about Seth Rich in response to a FOIA request for communications between FBI lovebirds Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and in March of 2020 former U.S. Attorney Deborah Sines testified that the FBI had investigated Seth Rich’s laptop and his online accounts. In other words, Mr. Hardy’s testimony was false.
I repeatedly asked U.S. Attorney John Durham and DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz to investigate whether Mr. Hardy lied under oath, and in an April 22, 2020 letter Mr. Horowitz wrote that he referred my complaint to the FBI’s Inspection Division. Was Mr. Hardy forced out? I don’t know, but if you have any inside information, please send it my way.”
https://lawflog.com/?p=2355
The withholding of evidence was so bad in the General Michael Flynn case that Attorney General Barr stepped in and appointed a special investigator.
“Beginning in January 2020, at the direction of Attorney General William P. Barr, the United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Missouri (“USA EDMO”) has been conducting a review of the Michael T. Flynn investigation. The review by USA EDMO has involved the analysis of reports related to the investigation along with communications and notes by Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) personnel associated with the investigation.
The enclosed documents were obtained and analyzed by USA EDMO in March and April 2020 and are provided to you as a result of this ongoing review; additional documents may be forthcoming. These materials are covered by the Protective Order entered by the Court on February 21, 2018.”
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592.180.1.pdf
The Justice Dept. has continued to find “hidden” exculpatory information in the Flynn case and filed it as late as late September.
So what happened to David M. Hardy, the former FBI FOIA chief?
Posted in Accountability, Attorney General, Attorneys, Barack Obama, Biden, Citizen News, Citizens for the truth about Obama, CitizenWells, corruption, Courts, Crime, Democrats, DNC, Election, Election 2016, Election 2020, FBI, fraud, US Department of Justice
Tagged FBI interfered in 2020 election by withholding Hunter Biden laptop, Timely release likely would have affected Biden's nomination, USDOJ still very corrupt by March 2020
Hunter Biden new emails shocking implicate Joe Biden Giuliani just stated, Oct 16, 2020, “memo tying Joe Biden to Hunter Biden’s international business”
Posted on October 16, 2020 | 10 comments
“If I’m somebody that has no journalistic ability, no detective ability or investigative ability and I was able to find stuff in a short period of time, somebody else should have been able to find something to show,”...Computer repairman John Paul Mac Isaac
“Man in audience questioned Joe Biden about his son’s involvement in Burisma. “You’re selling access to the president.” Joe Biden called him a liar.”...New Hampton, IA December 5, 2019
“Hunter Biden computer: Do we have another situation where the FBI sat on exculpatory information regarding the Trump Administration?”...Citizen Wells
From Fox News moments ago.
“Rudy Giuliani: Purported Hunter Biden emails will ‘shock the hell out of you’
There are still thousands of Hunter Biden emails to go through, Trump’s personal attorney told ‘Fox & Friends’
Emails, texts and photos found on an abandoned laptop that purportedly belonged to Hunter Biden, the son of former Vice President Joe Biden, allegedly show federal crimes among other shocking things, President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani told “Fox & Friends” on Friday.
“This is Hunter Biden’s emails, texts, and really the photographs will shock the hell out of you,” Giuliani said, adding that Hunter Biden’s attorney was not disputing their legitimacy.
He claimed he had a memo tying Joe Biden to Hunter Biden’s international business, while the presidential nominee repeatedly has denied discussing Hunter’s overseas business interests with him. ”
“”It’s authentic as hell,” he claimed. “Some of those pictures on it can only have come from him, and I’ll tell you why I know it for sure. I have about 10 pieces of confidential information nobody knows except me and Hunter Biden. Kept it that way. I investigated cases for 50 years. Every one of those hits the mark.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-emails-hunter-joe-rudy-giuliani-photos-texts-emails
Posted in Barack Obama, Biden, Citizen News, Citizens for the truth about Obama, CitizenWells, corruption, Election 2016, FBI, US Department of Justice
Tagged "memo tying Joe Biden to Hunter Biden's international business", 2020, Hunter Biden new emails shocking implicate Joe Biden Giuliani just stated, Oct 16
FBI sat on Hunter Biden computer?, House Republican letter to Wray, Mac Isaac: Federal investigators subpoenaed the laptop in December 2019
“Joe Biden’s alleged links to Burisma ‘as damaging as can be,” “Remember, Biden denied knowing anything about Burisma,”…Rudy Giuliani, Fox News October 14, 2020
From Fox News October 15, 2020.
“House Republicans ask FBI if it had Hunter Biden’s alleged laptop during Trump’s impeachment
It comes after the New York Post story was published on Wednesday.
EXCLUSIVE: House Republicans are calling on the FBI to reveal whether it was in possession of a laptop that reportedly contained emails by Hunter Biden during the impeachment of President Trump — and claiming the agency committed a “gross error in judgement” if it did not inform the White House.
“If the FBI was, in fact, in possession of this evidence and failed to alert the White House to its existence that would have given even more weight to the president’s legal defense, this was a gross error in judgement and a severe violation of trust,” the letter says.
The letter was signed by 19 House Republicans, including Reps. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz.; Louie Gohmert, R-Texas; Debbie Lesko, R-Ariz.; and Jody Hice, R-Ga.”
“The Post reported that the FBI was in possession of the laptop on which the emails were found in December 2019 — right in the middle of the impeachment of President Trump over remarks he made to the Ukrainian president about Biden’s conduct in the country.”
““Why did the New York Post have the information about this laptop and hard drive before the American people?” it asks.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-gop-fbi-hunter-biden-laptop
https://www.scribd.com/document/480220884/House-GOP-Letter-to-Wray-on-Biden-Laptop#from_embednypost.com/2020/10/15/gop-house-members-did-fbi-have-hunter-biden-laptop-during-trump-impeachment/
From Delaware Online October 15, 2020.
“A Wilmington computer repairman who reportedly gave a copy of Hunter Biden’s laptop hard drive to Rudy Giuliani’s attorney, Brian Costello, spoke cryptically Wednesday about his arrangement last month with the Republican operative.
In a winding interview with the media, John Paul Mac Isaac, owner of The Mac Shop in Wilmington, recalled how in April 2019 a man who identified himself as Hunter Biden brought three liquid-damaged laptops to his small repair shop in the Trolley Square shopping center.
Only one was left for repair, he said. No one returned to retrieve it, he said.”
“Mac Isaac repeatedly claimed he had shared the device with Costello because he was fearful for his safety. He did not explain how a move that would result in publicity would improve his security.
Mac Isaac also declined to state whether he approached Costello first with the hard drive or whether Giuliani’s team came to him.”
“During the subsequent summer and fall, Mac Isaac said he became alarmed after browsing through the computer’s files. He claims he then spoke with an associate more versed than him in the law and in current events.
That unnamed person then contacted the FBI, Mac Isaac said.
Federal investigators from Wilmington and Baltimore then subpoenaed the laptop in December, Mac Isaac said.”
https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2020/10/14/meet-wilmington-repairman-who-reportedly-gave-biden-laptop-giuliani-associate/3655753001/
Posted in Accountability, Barack Obama, Biden, Citizen News, Citizens for the truth about Obama, CitizenWells, corruption, Donald trump, Election 2016, FBI, US Department of Justice
Tagged FBI sat on Hunter Biden computer?, House Republican letter to Wray, Mac Isaac: Federal investigators subpoenaed the laptop in December 2019
Admiral James A. Lyons, Jr. Seth Rich article kept alive in Rich v Butowsky, Roger Aronoff affidavit filed October 9, 2020, Aronoff did not write article
“The left, the Democrats, the Deep State. Obama holdovers employing high powered law firms and corrupt judges have done their best to hide and obfuscate the truth surrounding the DNC leaks and possible involvement by Seth Rich.”…Citizen Wells
“With the clearly unethical and most likely criminal behavior of the upper management levels of the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) exposed by Chairman Devin Nunes of the House Intelligence Committee, there are two complementary areas that have been conveniently swept under the rug. The first deals with the murder of the Democratic National Convention (DNC) staffer Seth Rich, and the second deals with the alleged hacking of the DNC server by Russia.”...Admiral James Lyons
“Assange testimony requested in Rich v Butowsky et al August 24, 2020”…Citizen Wells
This was a head scratcher at first glance.
Perhaps it was an attempt to find a live witness to the drafting of the article attributed to Admiral Lyons?
From Aaron Rich v Ed Butowsky October 9, 2020.
Roger Aronoff, being duly sworn, hereby deposes and says:
1. I have been a journalist and filmmaker for the past 50 years.
2. I was the Editor of Accuracy in Media (AIM) from 2010 through 2017.
3. I am currently the Executive Director and Editor of the Citizens Commission on National Security.
4. During the time I worked at AIM, I became friends with Admiral James “Ace” Lyons (ret.)
5. I proofread a number of columns, but certainly not all, for Admiral Lyons, which he would then usually submit to the Washington Times.
6. I was never asked by anyone and I never did write a first draft or any draft of a column for Admiral Lyons, ever at any time. The only thing I did was proofread what he had written. I would correct spelling, grammar and improve sentence structure. If l thought something was factually incorrect, I would correct it. All edits I made in the proofreading process were done by using the Review and Mark-up system that exists in Word. I would send the marked-up version back to Admiral Lyons, and he would take it from there. In most cases he accepted my proofing, but not always.
7. In the case involving the article he wrote about Seth Rich in February or March of 2017, no one asked me to write up a first draft, or any draft, and I am not sure that I did proof it at all. While I have been able to find some of the revised columns that I sent him back, I have been unable to find this one in particular, leading me to question if I ever reviewed it or proofed it at all. It is possible that I did, but if I did, that is all I did. But I have no specific memory of having proofed that particular column.
I swear, under penalty of perjury, that the forgoing is true to the best of my information, knowledge, and belief.”
The article referred to above was from the Washington Times, March 1, 2018 not 2017.
It was retracted by the Times.
“More cover-up questions
The curious murder of Seth Rich poses questions that just won’t stay under the official rug
By James A. Lyons – – Thursday, March 1, 2018
With the clearly unethical and most likely criminal behavior of the upper management levels of the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) exposed by Chairman Devin Nunes of the House Intelligence Committee, there are two complementary areas that have been conveniently swept under the rug.
The first deals with the murder of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) staffer Seth Rich, and the second deals with the alleged hacking of the DNC server by Russia. Both should be of prime interest to special counsel Robert Mueller, but do not hold your breath.
The facts that we know of in the murder of the DNC staffer, Seth Rich, was that he was gunned down blocks from his home on July 10, 2016. Washington Metro police detectives claim that Mr. Rich was a robbery victim, which is strange since after being shot twice in the back, he was still wearing a $2,000 gold necklace and watch. He still had his wallet, key and phone. Clearly, he was not a victim of robbery.
This has all the earmarks of a targeted hit job. However, strangely no one has been charged with this horrific crime, and what is more intriguing is that no law enforcement agency is even investigating this murder. According to other open sources, Metro police were told by their “higher ups” that if they spoke about the case, they will be immediately terminated. It has been claimed that this order came down from very high up the “food chain,” well beyond the D.C. mayor’s office. Interesting.”
http://citizenwells.net/more-cover-up-questions-by-admiral-james-a-lyons-jr-march-1-2018-seth-rich-murder-and-dnc-leak-julian-assange-implied-that-mr-rich-was-killed-because-he-was-the-wikileaks-source-of-the-d/
Admiral James A. Lyons, Jr. Obituary:
“Born in New Jersey to James A. and Marion F. Lyons, he entered the United States Naval Academy in June 1948 from the Naval Reserve and graduated with the Class of 1952. He served as a Surface Warfare Officer until his retirement as a four-star admiral and Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet on Oct. 1, 1987.
His early years of naval service were with surface combatants where he developed an extraordinary understanding of naval warfare that carried him through a brilliant career. It was also when he met and married Renee Wilcox Chevalier of Washington, D.C., in 1954. She was the love of his life for 64 years.
His early sea assignments included the Sixth Fleet flagship USS Salem (CA 139) and USS Miller (DD 535). Later sea assignments included command of the destroyer USS Charles S. Sperry (DD 967) and guided missile cruiser USS Richmond K. Turner (DLG 20). Intermixed were staff assignments in the Pentagon with the Chief of Naval Operations and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, which played a major role in developing the outstanding strategic knowledge that characterized his Navy career. A principal advisor on significant Joint Chiefs of Staff matters, he was key in the development of the Navy Red Cell, an anti-terrorism group comprised of Navy Seals established in response to the 1983 bombing of the Marine Corps barracks in Beirut. He was a graduate of both the Naval War College and the National War College and his shore assignments included wide and significant experience in strategic planning and national security affairs.
In July 1981, upon being promoted to the grade of vice admiral, he took command of the U.S. Second Fleet, where he directed and conducted maritime operations throughout the Atlantic. Admiral Lyons showed his bold, aggressive naval strategies during the Cold War with the Soviet Union without firing a shot. He assumed command of the U.S. Pacific Fleet in September 1985, upon his promotion to admiral. It was during this time that he led three Pacific Fleet ships on the first U.S. Navy ship visit to the People’s Republic of China in 37 years. Also during this tour, he sent the hospital ship USNS Mercy (T-AH-19), a converted oil tanker, on her inaugural mission to provide humanitarian aide to the Philippines and the South Pacific. He continued his active involvement in Project Hope and other humanitarian organization in the United States and overseas after retirement from the Navy.
Admiral Lyons’ Navy awards include two Distinguished Service Medals, the Defense Superior Service Medal, the Navy Expeditionary Medal (Cuba), Humanitarian Service and Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal (Lebanon), the French Legion D’Honneur and the Republic of Korea Order of National Security Merit.
In August 1987, Admiral Lyons retired from the Navy after 36 years of service and began an equally impressive career as President/CEO of LION Associates LLC, a premier global consulting company providing National Security advice. He was Chairman of the Center for Security Policy’s Military Committee and the senior member of the Citizens Commission on Benghazi. He served on the Advisory Board to the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency and was a consultant to Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory on issues of counterterrorism. He recently received an IMPACT Award, which honors unsung Leaders Defending Liberty and specifically his profound impact on this country’s liberty and freedom. His actions were driven by a profound desire to do what was right for our country and civilization.”
https://www.fauquiernow.com/fauquier_news/obituary/fauquier-james-ace-lyons-jr-2018
Posted in Attorneys, Barack Obama, Citizen News, Citizens for the truth about Obama, CitizenWells, Court of Appeals, Courts, DNC, Election 2016, Seth Rich
Tagged 2020, Admiral James A. Lyons, Aronoff did not write article, Jr. Seth Rich article kept alive in Rich v Butowsky, Roger Aronoff affidavit filed October 9
John Brennan outed as Russian hoax architect in 2016 by former FBI DHS employee Capt Joseph R. John USN(ret), ” fake “intelligence” from Brennan”
“CIA Director John Brennan appears to have tried and failed to take out Donald Trump. It is his Agency that spread the lie that Russia made it possible for Trump to win the Presidency. This was not the idle opinion of some underling. Someone was given permission to tell elected Legislators a lie. A bald faced lie. Brennan, and no one else, bears ultimate responsibility for this lie.”…former CIA and State Department employee Larry Johnson December 14, 2016
“It’s a Brennan operation. It was an American disinformation, and the fucking President, at one point when they even started telling the press — they were back[ground]-briefing the press, the head of the NSA was going and telling the press”…Seymour Hersh
“Why John Brennan, Peter Strzok and DOJ Needed Julian Assange Arrested”…The Conservative Treehouse November 3, 2019
We were warned in 2016 about John Brennan and the fake Russian collusion hoax in 2016.
Why has it taken 4 years to get documents released?
From Capt Joseph R. John, December 16, 2016.
“Podesta, Jones, and Morrell worked with John Brennan, the Director of the CIA to join in a Hillary Presidential Campaign conspiracy, to release intelligence reports from “unnamed” sources that Russia used cyber activities to favor Trump’s election, and to try to persuade the members of the Electoral College, and that Donald Trump knew about Russia’s cyber activities in his favor.
The truth of the matter is that Russia has been trying to negatively affect every Presidential campaignsince President John F. Kennedy was elected, not to favor one candidate over the other, but in order to try to make the Americans lose faith in the election process for President every 4 years (they are making progress).
In a parallel effort by Van Jones, John Podesta, Mike Morrell, Hillary Clinton’s Presidential Campaign, members of the left leaning Hollywood community releasing TV ads, the left of center liberal media establishment, and as of today even Obama’s Press Secretary, Josh Earnest (speaking for Obama), are promoting a massive last ditch effort to convince 538 electors of the Electoral College not to vote for President Elect Donald J. Trump on Monday, December 19th.
Some of the electors have reported receiving as many as of 48,000 E-mails, texts, and phone calls at all hours of the night, harassing them, and threatening their lives if they don’t vote for Hillary. Those activities by radical left democrats progressives, threatening the lives of electors, trying upset the will of the American people in a Presidential election are federal crimes. Yet Obama’s inept US Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, has done absolutely nothing to enforce US Federal Voting Laws, charging radical activists and progressives with making threats against the lives of electors.
With the encouragement of John Podesta, John Brennan led the effort at CIA to promote speculation that Russia favored Trump over Clinton in the 2016 election. It is rather interesting that John Brennan has more of an connection with Communists than President Elect Donald J. Trump. John Brennan, recently disclosed that he voted for a Communist Party (CPUSA) candidate in an election, even though he knew that the CPUSA was funded by Moscow and is known to provide cover for Soviet espionage activities in the United States. ”
“John Podesta, and Brennan, came together to develop a “Soft Coup” to create doubt in the election of President Elect Donald J. Trump’s, by initiating a disinformation campaign, working closely with the left of center liberal media establishment, and with some very junior new liberal Intelligence Analysts in the CIA (the “old guard” at the CIA oppose the new Intelligence Analyst who strongly support Hillary).
Their collective agreement led Brennan to release unfounded stealth information that it was the CIA’s judgement that Russian entities hacked both Democrats and Republicans, but only the Democratic information was leaked to WikiLeaks (the Republican National Committee said their computers were never hacked, and disagreed with that assessment).
That is all of it—-fake “intelligence” from Brennan, that was supposedly CIA based, in reality, it is the dishonest and flawed judgment of Brennan submitted by his liberal CIA Intelligence Analysts who support Hillary. Put it in prospective—-it is John Brennan’s, “Fake Intelligence. Brennan, Podesta, Jones, and Morrell are carrying out this aggressive disinformation campaign to delegitimize the election of Donald J. Trump and affect the electors votes on December 19th; they should be prosecuted for their actions by President Trump’s new US Attorney General.”
https://combatveteransforcongress.org/story/working-podesta-john-brennan-failed-initiate-%E2%80%9Csoft-coup%E2%80%9D-disenfranchise-trump
Capt Joseph R. John’s background:
https://combatveteransforcongress.org/leader/59
Posted in Accountability, Barack Obama, CIA, Citizen News, Citizens for the truth about Obama, CitizenWells, Clintons, Donald trump, Election 2016, FBI, Hillary Clinton, Obama, Obama administration, Obama lies, US Department of Justice
Tagged " fake “intelligence” from Brennan", John Brennan outed as Russian hoax architect in 2016 by former FBI DHS employee Capt Joseph R. John USN(ret)
“Brennan led the fake Russia collusion allegation against President Trump”, Capt Joseph R. John USN(ret) FBI DHS, Brennan’s CIA employee worked with Biden filed bogus Whistleblower complaint
Captain Joseph R. John USN(ret), is as solid as they come with impeccable credentials.
From his bio:
Counter Terrorist Intelligence Analyst
Middle East and Al-Qa’ida Subject Matter Expert
Top Secret SCI clearance
Armed Federal Law Enforcement Officer, CBP Inspector
Screened for terrorists and/or violators of federal law
Middle East and Al Qa’ida Subject Matter Expert
Top Secret Clearance
Member DOD Counter Terrorist Task Force (After 9/11)
Task Force Reported to Assistant Secretary of the Army
Middle East and Al-Qa’ida Briefer
“MILITARY (Active and Reserve Duty): 1958-1992
Midshipman to Captain
Served with 2 Seal Teams, an FBI Swat Team, and Special Ops Command Central on 9 anti-terrorist operations (TS/SCI)
Involved in development and execution of plan to eliminate Iraq’s chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic weapons (TS/SCI)
Deployed to Kuwait with Special Operations Command Central during Operation Desert Storm (TS/SCI)
Three Commanding Officer Billets – COMNAVSURFPACDET219, COMUSFACSUBICBAYDET119, CINCPACFLTDET719 (TS)
While Commanding Officer, COMUSFACSUBICBAYDET119, awarded the Bilger Trophy for being the best naval unit in nation.
Three tours of duty in Vietnam (TS)
As a destroyer Weapons Officer, awarded Weapons E as the outstanding gunnery and ASW ship in the Atlantic Fleet
Served twelve years aboard 6 US Naval Destroyers in USS Charles S. Sperry (DD-697), USS Ault (DD-698), USS Southerland (DD-743), USS Robert A. Owens (DD-827), USS Bauer (DE-1025), USS Gridley (DLG-21), and the USS Point Defiance (LSD-31), as Nuclear Weapons, Missile Ordinance, Weapons, Engineering, Operations, Navigation, and Executive Officers (TS)
Awarded Navy Marine Corps Commendation Medal for saving Navy doctor’s life.
Awarded five Meritorious Service Medals – “For great strategic service to the United States”
Awards include the Combat Action Ribbon, Navy/Marine Corps Meritorious Unit Commendation, Battle “E” Ribbon, Navy/Marine Corps Overseas Service Deployment Ribbon (4 Bronze Stars for 5th Award), Surface Warfare Officer Insignia, and 21 medals for operations in Vietnam, the Philippines, in Kuwait during Operation Desert Storm, and in the Middle East.
On December 21, 2013, Capt John was invited to a plaque dedication ceremony at the Mount Soledad National Veterans Memorial in La Jolla, California, and was surprised to learn it was arranged by his family and close friends to dedicate a plaque to memorialize his 30 years of Honorable service in the US Navy. Capt John’s plaque was enshrined among the plaques of other heroic military figures who defended the nation in every conflict in history. The ceremony made mention of his 3 tours of duty in Vietnam, duty in Operation Desert Storm, and his deployment with Special Operations Forces on 9 Worldwide Counter Terrorist Operations. Inscribed on the plaque are these words “Joseph proudly served his country during crisis in several different hostile arenas. He received numerous military awards and citations for his outstanding and courageous service.””
From Captain Joseph R. John USN(ret), October 24, 2019.
“After Brennan was appointed by Obama, he recruited CIA Officers who were Politically Correct, and his promotions within the CIA elevated Politically Correct CIA Officers, that would be acceptable to Obama, to new positions of leadership within the CIA; they are still there. One of Brennan’s CIA employees, who worked with Vice President Biden on the Ukraine desk in the Obama White House, filed the bogus and untruthful hearsay Whistleblower complaint about President Trump’s conversation with the President of Ukraine—he or she said they didn’t like the tone of the conversation, when they never even heard the conversation.
Brennan led the fake Russia collusion allegation against President Trump, taking his direction from Obama, and is now one of the leaders of the continued treasonous coup attempt to bring down the first President of the United States in history; this time using another fake allegation about a Ukrainian phone call. The Whistleblower (actually the leaker) who filed the complaint with hearsay information has disappeared. McRaven has thrown his lot in with conspirators Brennan, Clapper, Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Soros, Perez, Schiff, Nadler, Pelosi, and Schumer to initiate a Coup d’ Etat. The left of center liberal media establishment is supporting the coup in their daily call for the impeachment based on false allegations. ”
https://www.citizensjournal.us/the-first-four-star-flag-officer-in-us-history-joins-the-effort-to-void-the-election-of-the-us-president/
Posted in Accountability, Barack Obama, CIA, Citizen News, Citizens for the truth about Obama, CitizenWells, Clintons, Election 2016, FBI, fraud, Obama, Obama administration, Obama lies, US Department of Justice, US Navy
Tagged "Brennan led the fake Russia collusion allegation against President Trump", Brennan’s CIA employee worked with Biden filed bogus Whistleblower complaint, Capt Joseph R. John USN(ret) FBI DHS
Michael Flynn motion to strike attorney non party communications October 8, 2020, Strzok and McCabe attorney letters
Posted on October 9, 2020 | 1 comment
constitutional, ethical and legal obligations to this Court and to the defense, and to hide evidence that it knows exonerates Mr. Flynn. As is the essence of the problem here, instead of protecting its citizens, the “government” is protecting its own criminal conduct and operatives.”…Attorney Sidney Powell October
“her client was “totally set up” because he threatened to expose wrongdoing by top intelligence officials in the Obama administration.
“He was going to audit the intel agencies because he knew about the billions Brennan and company were running off the books,” Powell said, referring to former CIA Director John Brennan.”…Sidney Powell, Vickie McKenna Show
On Judge Sullivan: “if there was any doubt up to this point whether his conduct gives the appearance of partiality, that doubt is gone.”...Judge Rao dissenting opinion
From United States v Michael Flynn October 8, 2020.
GENERAL FLYNN’S MOTION TO STRIKE IMPROPER
COMMUNICATIONS AND TO FORECLOSE
FILINGS OF ANY OTHER NON-PARTIES
General Michael T. Flynn moves to strike the ex parte and unauthorized
extrajudicial communications received by this court’s chambers and improperly
entered into the public docket on September 28, 2020 and October 7, 2020. These attorneys should be addressing their concerns with the government, not emailing the judge in this case; and the letters do not belong in the record.
On September 28, 2020, Aitan Goelman, counsel to former FBI Deputy
Assistant Director Peter Strzok, who was fired from the Bureau after he was exposed for his own bias and extraordinary malfeasance, emailed a letter to the court regarding documents on the record. He did not copy counsel for the parties, nor did he seek leave to intervene. Instead of noting the impropriety of the correspondence, the court immediately entered the letter into the record. ECF No. 258.
Emboldened by the positive reception Mr. Strzok’s letter received, counsel to
Andrew McCabe sent a similar letter to Judge Sullivan’s chambers on October 5,
2020. On October 7, 2020, this court entered that letter, too, into the record of this case. ECF No. 263. Neither Peter Strzok nor Andrew McCabe is a party to this litigation, and their attorneys have no role in this litigation.”
Posted in Attorney General, Attorneys, Barack Obama, Citizen News, Citizens for the truth about Obama, CitizenWells, constitution, Court of Appeals, Courts, Election 2016, FBI, US Constitution, US Department of Justice
Tagged 2020, Michael Flynn motion to strike attorney non party communications October 8, Strzok and McCabe attorney letters
John Brennan’s Failed Soft Coup? December 14, 2016 by former CIA and State Department employee Larry Johnson, Brennan’s agency spread Russia lie
“Butowsky follows the lead, speaks five days after Trump’s inauguration with the legendary investigative reporter Seymour Hersh by phone. Butowsky says he doesn’t know who Hersh is and records the conversation, which he later shares with others. And the audio recording obtained by NPR shows Hersh referring to an insider source who describes an FBI report reflecting that Rich had leaked information to WikiLeaks.”...NPR
“Ms. Sines’s testimony flatly contradicts the FBI’s claims that (1) it did not investigate matters pertaining to Mr. Rich; (2) it did not examine his computer; and (3) it conducted a “reasonable” search but could not locate any records or communications about Mr. Rich. Specifically, Ms. Sines’s testimony flatly contradicts the affidavit testimony of FBI Section Chief David M. Hardy.”…Attorney Ty Clevenger March 29, 2020
” So why would a “street robbery” investigation need to be classified?”…Attorney Ty Clevenger July 22, 2020
From former CIA and State Department employee Larry Johnson December 14, 2016.
“John Brennan’s Failed Soft Coup?”
“This should be setting off alarm bells throughout the U.S. Government, but especially within the intel community and the military. CIA Director John Brennan appears to have tried and failed to take out Donald Trump. It is his Agency that spread the lie that Russia made it possible for Trump to win the Presidency. This was not the idle opinion of some underling. Someone was given permission to tell elected Legislators a lie. A bald faced lie. Brennan, and no one else, bears ultimate responsibility for this lie.
When the news first broke last Friday that the CIA had told Senators that Russia essentially gave the election to Donald Trump the politicians and pundits infesting Washington were up in arms. Hell, even John McCain and Lindsay “Little Old Lady” Graham jumped on the hysteria bandwagon to voice outrage and threaten Russia. Tonight we learn that Brennan was lying.”
http://citizenwells.net/john-brennans-failed-soft-coup-larry-johnson-no-quarter-december-14-2016-brennans-agency-spread-russia-lie-tried-and-failed-to-take-out-donald-trump/
This article probably went mostly unnoticed in December of 2016.
And then it disappeared off the internet.
It was retrieved from the Wayback Machine.
Now with recent revelations and documents unclassified, it takes on a whole new meaning.
Respected journalist Seymour Hersh in 2017 stated:
“I have somebody on the inside, you know I’ve been around a long time, somebody who will go and read a file for me, who, this person is unbelievably accurate and careful, he’s a very high-level guy, he’ll do a favor, you’re just going to have to trust me, I have what they call in my business, long-form journalism, I have a narrative, of how that whole fucking thing began.
(5:50) – It’s a Brennan operation. It was an American disinformation, and the fucking President, at one point when they even started telling the press — they were back[ground]-briefing the press, the head of the NSA was going and telling the press”
https://citizenwells.com/2020/10/04/seth-rich-dnc-leaks-bombshell-seymour-hersh-court-deposition-filed-oct-2-2020-affirms-2017-statements-seth-rich-involvement-and-john-brennan-role/
From the Letter to Lindsey Graham from John Ratcliffe, Director of National Intelligence, September 29, 2020.
“According to his handwritten notes, former Central Intelligence Agency Director Brennan subsequently briefed President Obama and other senior national security officials on the intelligence, including the “alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July 26, 2016 of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services.”
https://citizenwells.com/2020/09/29/declassified-hillary-clinton-had-approved-a-campaign-plan-to-stir-up-a-scandal-against-u-s-presidential-candidate-donald-trump-letter-to-lindsey-graham/
Actual Brennan notes just released.
BrennanNotes
Posted in Accountability, Barack Obama, CIA, Citizen News, Citizens for the truth about Obama, CitizenWells, Clintons, Democrats, DNC, Election 2016, FBI, Hillary Clinton, Lies, US Department of Justice
Tagged 2016 by former CIA and State Department employee Larry Johnson, Brennan's agency spread Russia lie, John Brennan’s Failed Soft Coup? December 14
NPR Seth Rich lies continue despite being sued for same, Oct 7, 2020 report on Twitter subpoena in Rich v Butowsky, Preemptive strike as truth emerges?
NPR is on very thin ice.
The NPR report on the order to require Twitter to respond to the subpoena from Aaron Rich in Rich v Butowsky contains lies.
They are currently defendants in Folkenflik, NPR, et al due to allegations of lying about the Seth Rich case and reporting.
They did change the reporter to Bobby Allyn.
Why would NPR use some of the same lies as before when they are currently being sued?
Best guess: Due to recent revelations such as the Seymour Hersh deposition October 2, 2020 in Rich v Butowsky and continued Justice Dept. revelations, NPR may be getting desperate to cover their tracks and this may be a preemptive strike.
Or maybe they are clueless and believe the fake news.
Read more about what Seymour Hersh disclosed here:
https://citizenwells.com/2020/10/03/seth-rich-update-oct-3-2020-seymour-hersh-deposition-re-source-and-fbi-examining-seth-richs-computer-aaron-rich-v-butowsky-et-al/
From NPR October 7, 2020.
“Judge Orders Twitter To Unmask FBI Impersonator Who Set Off Seth Rich Conspiracy
A federal judge in California has ordered that Twitter reveal the identity of an anonymous user who allegedly fabricated an FBI document to spread a conspiracy theory about the killing of Seth Rich, the Democratic National Committee staffer who died in 2016.
The ruling could lead to the identification of the person behind the Twitter name @whyspertech. Through that account, the user allegedly provided forged FBI materials to Fox News. The documents falsely linked Rich’s killing to the WikiLeaks hack of Democratic Party emails in the lead-up to the 2016 election.
While Twitter fought to keep the user’s identity secret, U.S. Magistrate Judge Donna Ryu in Oakland, Calif., ordered on Tuesday that the tech company must turn over the information to attorneys representing Rich’s family in a defamation suit by Oct. 20.
It is the latest twist in a years-long saga over a conspiracy theory that rocked Washington, caused a grieving family a great deal of pain and set off multiple legal battles.
In a now-retracted story, Fox News falsely claimed that Rich’s computer was connected to the leak of Democratic Party emails provided to WikiLeaks, and that Rich’s slaying was related to the purported leak. The theory was even debunked in special counsel Robert Mueller’s report.”
“Disclosure: NPR is involved in one of the legal battles tied to the Seth Rich controversy. Ed Butowsky has filed a defamation suit against NPR and NPR media correspondent David Folkenflik over the network’s coverage of the Fox News story on Rich that has since been retracted.”
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/07/921285470/judge-orders-twitter-to-unmask-fbi-impersonator-who-set-off-seth-rich-conspiracy
I personally believe the focus on Twitter @whysprtech is a diversion and mostly irrelevant.
For simplicity sake, the following paragrah is featured:
In this one paragraph we have.
Fox News falsely claimed that Rich’s computer was connected to the leak of Democratic Party emails provided to WikiLeaks. That has not been proven false and there is a mountain of evidence that it may be true.
Rich’s slaying was related to the purported leak. That has not been proven or disproven.
The theory was even debunked in special counsel Robert Mueller’s report.” Mueller’s report has been debunked, not the theory.
NPR looks desperate to me.
It is foolish to continue their fake news narrative in the midst of their being sued.
Posted in Accountability, Attorneys, Citizen News, Citizens for the truth about Obama, CitizenWells, Courts, Election 2016, FBI, Lies, media, NPR, US Department of Justice
Tagged 2020 report on Twitter subpoena in Rich v Butowsky, NPR Seth Rich lies continue despite being sued for same, Oct 7, Preemptive strike as truth emerges?
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Dry Bulk Carrier Orders Crash To A Twenty Year Low
May 8, 2015 //
In the last four months dry bulk orders have fallen to 0.4m dwt per month, the lowest level since the 1990s. This is a massive 98% reduction from the 23m dwt peak in orders in December 2007, and probably the sharpest decline in recent decades. Not really a surprise in a market where Capesize bulkers are struggling to earn $4,000/day, but a timely relief to investors with ships on the orderbook.
Investment Fever
This investment collapse marks the end of a remarkable phase of bulkcarrier history. During the last decade, 724m dwt of new bulkers have been ordered, around 70m dwt/year. Just to put that in perspective, during the previous decade ordering averaged about 20m dwt/year.
The 5 years from 1996 to 2001 were disappointing to investors, who ordered only 1.2m dwt/month. At the time this was seen as normal, and included a spike in 1999, when investors snapped up Panamax bulkers for $19-$22m. These were probably the most profitable bulkers ordered in the industry’s post-war history. Upon delivery they sailed straight into the bulk shipping boom. Proof that “crazy investors” are not always crazy.
Softly, Softly
The next phase from 2002 to November 2006 was quite restrained, considering the rise in freight rates. Ordering edged up, averaging 2.8m dwt/month. As earnings eased in 2006, many assumed the boom was over, but they were wrong and what happened next was unprecedented. As earnings escalated owners threw caution to the wind, and the big bulker cash machine drew investors from outside shipping. In December 2007, ordering peaked at 23m dwt, and in 2007 to 2014, investment averaged 6.8m dwt/month (81m dwt/year), an astonishing number for a period mostly in global recession.
Carry On Investing
Despite the onset of the global downturn in 2008, two more bulker investment spikes followed in 2010 and 2013. With surplus bulker capacity, and China’s growth engine easing off, it’s hard to explain this investment on strictly economic grounds. Easier, perhaps, to understand the change in expectations. The memory of spectacular bulker earnings had been fresh in the minds of some investors, but a decade later and that dream is fading.
The collapse in bulkcarrier investment is a particular problem for shipyards. Many builders in China and Japan surfed the wave of bulkcarrier investment and bulkers still account for around half of tonnage on order globally. In today’s sluggish world economy, that is going to be a difficult gap to fill. The fact that bulker prices are around 5% down this year, and ordering has virtually stopped tells its own story.
Big Bulker Investment Boom
So there you have it. The spectacular run of dry bulk investment which kicked off in early 2003 has finally ended. Then China’s imports were growing at 27% a year, a big difference from the 3% growth in 2014. This is disappointing, but as serious shipping investors know, in good markets and bad, there’s still an awful lot of cargo that has to be moved around the world – it’s just a matter of who moves it. Have a nice day.
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Join the Red Dots
BY DOMINIC WIGHTMAN
Back in 2006 when the Islamist cleric Omar Bakri held evening chats with his Britain-based acolytes on Pal Talk from London, the conversations were often impossible not to chuckle at. Hours would be spent discussing “sins” like masturbation and ankle revealing. It was a sin to lie on your back and cross your feet, having photos on the wall of your home was haram, while the punishment for having unmarried sex was whipping with a hundred lashes and then being exiled for a year. In between all this rubbish, Bakri would come out with opinions like bombing Dublin is virtuous. Listening through all the other rubbish would be worth it – the case for expelling this evil manipulator from Britain was mounting, both evidentially and politically.
Laughing at Bakri’s odd followers was par for the course back then. Anjem Choudary seemed just as weird with his pronouncements and it was hard to get the images of Choudary as Andy, the beer-drinking law student and ladies’ man, out of your head as he spouted bile based on his crackpot version of puritan Islamism. Choudary was much more careful with his words, but his followers knew exactly what he meant. Just look at what suicidal Khuram Butt did a decade on from those Pal Talk conferences, or (circled) Siddhartha Dhar, “Jihadi Sid”, the Isis executioner, who was also a member of that Pal Talk group.
Therein lies the warning. For it is those who we laugh at who often become the most dangerous to us and our civilisation in the end.
Think back to that heady summer of 2015 when victorious Conservatives could not stop laughing at the Labour Party. The bumbling Miliband was gone, and a Labour leadership election depended on party member votes. Tories started joining the Labour Party online to wreck Labour and vote in the whiskered weirdo, Jeremy Corbyn, as the final nail in the coffin of a party that had held back Britain for so many years with its covetous socialist policies; trickle-up poverty based on a splurge then bust.
When Corbyn won in September that year, the laughs continued to reverberate across Britain and much of the rest of the world. They lasted all the way up until June last year when he almost made it into Downing Street. Since then, the laughing has stopped. Not out of respect for Corbyn, who is a poisonous, old fool. Out of fear for what Corbyn’s ally Jon Lansman has done to headturn our young and draw so many of them into the red cult he was brainwashed into as a youth. Out of distress caused by Theresa May’s failure to see off the most pathetic opposition in British history. Out of worry for the future, which could be wrecked by these reds and their useful idiots.
I admit, I too used to laugh at Corbyn and his small crew of Trots. I underestimated their powers of persuasion and their union backing, as we all underestimated the power of the words of Bakri a decade earlier. Now, I look at all these groomers afresh – as a genuine threat to Britain’s future.
Join the dots.
Corbyn wears Lenin’s cap with pride. Lenin was an evil tyrant with blood on his hands. Under Lenin’s rule, there were 28,000 executions every year and he ordered the creation of the Cheka, the secret police organisation which was a model for Hitler’s Gestapo. Corbyn wearing Lenin’s cap is the equivalent of a fascist sporting a Hitler moustache.
John McDonnell happily waves around Mao’s red book in the House of Commons. Mao’s Great Leap Forward killed 45 million in four years, making him the greatest mass murderer in world history. It was not a Jamie Oliver cookbook that McDonnell the Lyncher pulled from his pocket.
Dianne Abbot and John McDonnell happily stand before the coffin of their comrade Redmond O’Neill in ’09. The coffin is draped in the communist flag, bedecked with a wreath in the form of a hammer and sickle. This is not a skit for some comedy show.
Jon Lansman – the “brains” behind the Corbyn operation, and owner of Momentum – is apparently a Dererite (the gradualist communist revolutionary strategy advocated by Vladimir Derer). His comrade from the AWL, the Trotskyite Martin Thomas, confirms as much in a letter to him in December 2016. Yet Lansman, while claiming to support “Democratic Socialism”, as if that is the kind of socialism that a government might possibly get elected on, privately amongst comrades talks of “Vladimir”. This is not Vladimir Derer but Vladimir Lenin. The founder of Momentum is talking about being under the guiding influence of Vladimir Lenin. In February 2017. Despite all the evidence that exists about what a vile individual Lenin was.
The former Communist Party Chairman Andrew Murray was seconded from Unite to Labour headquarters for the 2017 general election, having previously defended Stalin.
Seumas Milne is the Labour Party’s Executive Director of Strategy and Communications. Yes, that Seumas Milne…
So let all that sink in. There are plenty more dots to join. Just one conclusion to reach:
Britain has cancer, and is in desperate need of chemo.
We laugh at our peril at the red peril which is proactively poisoning the minds of our kids while calling for the voting age to be reduced to 16 and for the Monarchy to be beheaded. We even laugh at the term red peril. We laugh at Abbot’s maths, Corbyn’s shell suits and McDonnell’s blatant lies. We laugh at the slob McCluskey as he falls down the stairs.
But this nightmare is real. As real as Khuram Butt’s trail of destruction in Borough Market and on London Bridge.
Until an antidote to Corbyn’s Labour is found, the Devil Lenin is alive and his influence is growing in Britain. It is our duty to dispatch him and put Labour down.
countrysquiremagazine February 2, 2018 February 1, 2018 featured, Jeremy Corbyn, john mcdonnell, joining the red dots, jon lansman
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Trumpcare Will Lead To Single Payer? Forgive Me If I'm Skeptical
There are no guarantees of a happy ending. There is the promise of dark times for many, however.
By Steve M.
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Ezra Klein believes that if the GOP passes a health care bill, it will make single payer all but inevitable the next time Democrats control the federal government.
If Republicans unwind Obamacare and pass their bill, then Democrats are much likelier to establish a single-payer health care system — or at least the beginnings of one — when they regain power....
If Republicans wipe out the Affordable Care Act and de-insure tens of millions of people, they will prove a few things to Democrats. First, including private insurers and conservative ideas in a health reform plan doesn’t offer a scintilla of political protection, much less Republican support. Second, sweeping health reform can be passed quickly, with only 51 votes in the Senate, and with no support from major industry actors. Third, it’s easier to defend popular government programs that people already understand and appreciate, like Medicaid and Medicare, than to defend complex public-private partnerships, like Obamacare’s exchanges.
Klein sees "a Democratic Party moving left, and fast, on health care," as the incremental approach to health care is discredited. He predicts this:
... if Republicans leave Obamacare gutted and the political arguments that led to it in ruins, there’s not going to be a constituency for rebuilding it when Democrats win back power.
Instead, they’ll pass what many of them wanted to pass in the first place: a heavily subsidized buy-in program for Medicare or Medicaid, funded by a tax increase on the rich. A policy like that would fit smoothly through the 51-vote reconciliation process, and it will satisfy an angry party seeking the fastest, most defensible path to restoring the Affordable Care Act’s coverage gains.
Yes, but if recent history is any indication, it's going to be a while before Democrats get the chance. I expect real Democratic gains in the House in 2018, but I'm not at all certain that Democrats will win a significant majority in the House, or even a small majority. The Senate seems out of reach because of the large number of red-state Democrats up for reelection. And in 2020 there's plenty of reason for hope of a Democratic victory, but no reason to be certain of one. Many Sanders voters might vote third party again if the nominee isn't Sanders or a substitute deemed acceptable. If Sanders does run, he might struggle to energy the non-white portion of the base. Other possible candidates might be too bland, too corporatist, too dark-skinned, or too female to win back enough heartland white voters for a victory.
Yes this could all be true even after four years of Donald Trump (or Trump followed by Mike Pence). And even if a Democratic presidential candidate triumphs in 2020, don't assume long coattails are inevitable, given GOP gerrymandering of House districts and widespread voting restrictions.
And even if Democrats seize control in 2020, don't assume a quick move to single payer. The Democratic Party is still full of incrementalists -- including possible 2020 presidential candidates such as Andrew Cuomo. In our system, Democrats still depend on money from corporate bigwigs -- are they all going to be willing to bring about the demise of the private health insurance industry? And there'll still be a right wing in America, with rhetorical skills and endless funding. Maybe some of the talking points that damaged the reputations of the Clinton and Obama health care plans won't work anymore, but don't assume they'll all fail. We're going to be talking about higher taxes. We're going to be talking about something that can be described as "command and control." In the insurance industry at least, this will literally be "job-killing." And the popularity of Sanders notwithstanding, there are still plenty of people in America for whom "socialism" is a very bad word.
So let's not assume the Trump/Ryan/McConnell health care disaster will have a happy ending in the long term. It could, but that's not inevitable.
Originally published at No More Mr. Nice Blog
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So Guess What? People Still Want Single-Payer Healthcare
But neither party offers it to them.
By Susie Madrak
Years From Now, This Will Be The Right-Wing Narrative Of The Trumpcare Disaster
We know that McConnell/Ryan/Trumpcare is going to be horrible, but who do you think Republicans will try to blame?
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Jeff Cunningham
10 reasons why Americans don’t trust the media
I ran media companies for a number of years. When they made money (as in the 80’s -90’s) they were highly respected and produced largely middle of road political coverage.
After the internet crash followed by the Recession, media not only didn’t recover, it lost its advertising relationship, and digital finally came into its own.
When the revenue stream began to narrow, news staffs were cut, copy editors let go, journalism started to feel like a football team that lost its first string. Morale suffered, journalists realized their careers depended on clicks, which in turn was affected by their social media followers. That led to racier, more polarized coverage because after all, followers love nothing more than a food fight.
You now have an industry in search of a business model that in its heart does not want to be a business.
Producer of Extraordinary Lives 2019 @TellyAwards for documentaries @ IconicVoices.tv; Author of Be Somebody @ jeffcunningham.com; ex-publisher @Forbes
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Hydroxychloroquine: Enough Already?
Update, and it’s a big one: this paper has now been retracted by the authors, who say that they are “unable to vouch for the veracity of the primary data”. None of its conclusions can be regarded as valid. Read on for historical interest only! But note that this is not the only evidence against HCQ as a therapy for coronavirus.
At this point, it’s getting hard to see how the idea of a hydroxychloroquine (or hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin) therapy for coronavirus infection can be taken seriously. I reviewed some of the recent studies here, but missed a May 11 preprint from France that had claimed benefit for the combination. No matter, though: this was just withdrawn by the authors, who say that they are revising the manuscript.
This morning brings this paper from The Lancet. Update: this paper has set off a great deal of controversy – see here. It’s a retrospective look at registered patients across 671 hospitals around the world, and it covers four patient groups: treatment with chloroquine, chloroquine plus a macrolide antibiotic (azithromycin, doxycycline), hydroxychloroquine, or hydroxychloroquine with a macrolide. All of these patients were started on these treatment regimens within 48 hours of diagnosis. The study specifically excludes those patients whose treatment started later, anyone whose therapy was started while they were on mechanical ventilation, or anyone received remdesivir as well. Early treatment in less severe patients only, in other words.
96,032 patients were registered in these hospitals with the coronavirus during the study period (December 20, 2019 to April 14, 2020); this is a large data set. The mean age of the patients was just under 54 years, 54/46 male/female. 14,888 of them were in the treatment sets defined above: 1868 got straight chloroquine, 3783 got chloroquine with a macrolide, 3016 received hydroxychloroquine by itself, and another 6221 got HCQ with a macrolide). That leaves 81,144 patients as a control group getting other standard of care. Let’s note at the start that the authors controlled for a number of confounding factors (such as age, sex, race or ethnicity, body-mass index, cardiovascular disease and risk factors, diabetes, lung disease, smoking, immunosuppressed condition, and overall disease severity). How’d it go?
Judge for yourself. The mortality in the control group was 9.3%. The mortality in the chloroquine group was 16.4%. The mortality in the chloroquine plus macrolide group was 22.2%. The mortality in the hydroxychloroquine group was 18%. And the mortality in the hydroxychloroquine plus macrolide group was 23.8%.
Let’s look at cardiac arrhythmia. The 0.3% of the control group developed new arrhythmias during their hospitalization. But 4.3% of the chloroquine treatment group did. And 6.5% of the chloroquine plus macrolide group. As did 6.1% of the hydroxychloroquine group. And 8.1% of the hydroxychlorquine plus macrolide group.
There are other interesting things about this paper (for example, it confirms earlier reports that ACE-directed therapies are associated with a survival benefit in coronavirus patients). But I’m going to leave it at this. There was no evidence whatsoever of any benefit with any of these treatment regimes. There was significant evidence of harm. Here’s how it works: when something is real, you continue to see a real signal as you collect more and better data. When something is not real, it disappears. Tell me again why anyone should be advocating such treatments. But your reasons had better stand up to 14,888 patients versus 81,144 comparators. Make it good.
455 comments on “Hydroxychloroquine: Enough Already?”
Peej says:
I have to wonder if the DSMB of large ongoing trials will need to consider stopping them for ethical reasons.
Trp says:
I know that at least one large clinical trial has paused recruitment and is re-evaluating things this weekend, I have to imagine it’s happening for many
david loew says:
There is growing evidence that this study was fraudulent from the beginning.
This is interesting Surgisphere is the company that is responsible for collecting the data for the Lancet article on Hydroxychloroquine. The science editor for this 6 person company is Thomas Koenigsberger who died in 2018. I think this is odd. The other science editor is a digital artist whose photo was taken from her fineartamerica page. Also there appears to be no data scientists on the staff of the company in charge of collecting the data.
Is it possible that the Lancet did no vetting of the article that they published and the companies associated with it. This is all pretty damn suspicious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUD_wvkNhnk&fbclid=IwAR2cyv9_xm4DgWRvm9elsQdEZmr4eVKB-YP0tblF1tnyqm56L2Xll3UYY-8
Eric Penrose says:
I agree, and according to profile searches truthfinder.com and another (checkpeople.com I think it was), not only does Sapan Desai, (41, Illinois) face 3 medical malpractice lawsuits from the end of last year – as reported by the-scientist.com, but has multiple criminal convictions. I didn’t pay to see detail – I know they’re likely not great with payment contracts.
My main concerns with the paper itself are no availability of the software tool code or raw data and the complete lack of detail on dose especially when the average dose is stated as well above the recommended FDA upper limit.
Though I’m no expert on what exactly qualifies as having ‘a criminal record’, for all I know a lawsuit may qualify.
Ed E says:
So why hasn’t FDA banned it for Lupus, RA and Malaria? Does it only become dangerous with COVID19? Read the Harvey Risch paper. Outpatient use: it works (80-90% mortality reduction). Inpatient use: it’s too late. Look at Turkey’s numbers using it as the main go to drug: about 80-90% lower mortality per million and they are saying everyone else is using it too late. These contradictory results are based on when it is used and how much. It does not fight the virus but modifies the host making it more difficult for the virus to flourish. If the virus has already taken over it’s too late to modify the host. Most doctors who speak against it are big-wig hospital docs or government official docs: they don’t treat patients. Almost all who favor it are in the field.
Rajiv Ishwar says:
HCQ for patients with cor pulmonae is deadly because of cardiac Q-T wave prolongation. Many COVID-19 patients end up there because of respiratory distress. In malaria it is given once weekly because of its long long half life. Daily dosing causes accumulation because of its lon g half life of approximately 25 hours. For lupus patients where, cardiac issues are not a problem, it can used as pulse treatment to stop the damage from an overactive immune system.
Jeremy Gordon says:
Hydroxychloroquine only works if combined with zinc and if given early. It allows zinc to enter cell making it alkaline and more difficult for virus to replicate. It’s not a cure but it helps immune system cope
https://youtu.be/-7QDPJEi6aU
Ken S says:
Nonsense, unless you have a real article published in a real scientific journal to back that claim up. A YouTube video is not science.
Also, you are combining multiple alt-med conspiracy theories here (zinc as a cure-all plus the well known acidic vs basic thing that still isn’t true) so you’re not off to a good start.
Unbiased says:
Derek has not covered trials with Zinc. Here is a retrospective from NYU Grossman School of Medicine. It is a retrospective study, however, it clearly strongly suggests that the use of hydroxychloroquine as a zinc ionophore early on in the onset of the disease, has significant positive results. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1
Anthony S.Pervan says:
Yes. Both a Veterans Administration “Clinical Trial(?)” and this 96,000 patient “observational study” omit zinc. The “justification” or “explanation” for not including a zinc supplement is that zinc is present in our tissue. However, at best, “body stores of zinc” are at very low levels AND AT ESPECIALLY LOW LEVELS IN THE LUNGS. Hence, the need for a zinc supplement during the THREE-DRUG TREATMENT (HCQ-Antibiotic-ZINC) for Covid-19 WHICH NO AUTHORITY SEEMS TO WANT TO TEST. Why? I have no idea other than it is a low cost solution!!!!!!!!!!
JoeB says:
Dr. Anthony Cardillo, CEO of Mend Urgent Care, says that “Every patient I’ve prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free.”
Dr. Anthony Cardillo provides this explanation in his interview with ABC News. He said that combining hydroxychloroquine with zinc has been the key to the success. The hydroxychloroquine, he said, “opens the zinc channel” allowing the zinc to enter the cell, which then “blocks the replication of cellular machinery.”
https://techstartups.com/2020/04/07/hydroxychloroquine-works-used-combination-zinc-dr-anthony-cardillo-says-abc-news/
NY Dr. Vladimir Zelenko has achieved nearly 100% success while treating over 1450 patients, this as of mid-April, using the HydroxyChloroquine combination therapy, He’s getting word out about hydroxychloroquine – “anyone who blocks use of this treatment is guilty of crimes against humanity.”
In one of his videos, Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, a board-certified family practitioner in New York, explained that it is Zinc that actually helps slows or decelerates the viral replication within the cell. But on its own, Zinc cannot penetrate the cell without the help of hydroxychloroquine. So, the work of hydroxychloroquine is to help zinc penetrate the cell.
Dr Zelenko has continued treating patients, Calling hydroxychloroquine a potential game-changer, Dr. Zelenko maintained that his approach is to provide treatment to patients before their situation get worse so they don’t have to be admitted into the hospital and so that they don’t have to be put on ventilators.
His out-patient treatment regimen, which costs only $12, is as follows:
1. Hydroxychloroquine 200mg twice a day for 5 days
2. Azithromycin 500mg once a day for 5 days
3. Zinc sulfate 220mg once a day for 5 days
https://techstartups.com/2020/04/21/dr-vladimir-zelenko-now-treated-1450-coronavirus-patients-2-deaths-using-hydroxychloroquine-99-99-success-rate-latest-video-interview/
David E. Young, MD says:
Let’s see, as of Mid-April Zelenko had treated over 1,450 patients. Do you know what you are saying? You really mean that? Think about it. The epidemic hit New York in mid March. So, in a matter of 4 weeks, Zelenko saw 1,450 patients about 4 times each. One to first see the patient and order labs, one to have them return to discuss the positive covid19 test and the labs and to offer therapy, one several days later to make sure they were not worsening and a visit about 10 days later to make sure that they were recovering. So, nearly 6,000 office visits in four weeks. That’s 1,450 visits a week, or about 300 office visits a day. Do you really think that he sees 300 patients in his office a day? Are you kidding me? I have heard 700 patients over 2+ months, which might be more reasonable but still difficult. But 1,450 patients in four weeks. That is ridiculous.
Dr Harvey Risch, Yale Professor of epidemiology in an American Journal of Epidemiology published review of HydroxyChloroquine and Azithromycin Titled – EARLY OUTPATIENT TREATMENT OF SYMPTOMATIC, HIGH-RISK COVID-19 PATIENTS THAT SHOULD BE RAMPED-UP IMMEDIATELY AS KEY TO THE PANDEMIC CRISIS
…These medications need to be widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe.
Five studies, including two controlled clinical trials, have demonstrated significant major outpatient treatment efficacy…
The entire therapy for the HCQ/Azithromycin and Zinc costs $ 12, the Remdesivir will cost in the range of $ 5,000.00-10,000.00 for the same therapy and it’s not nearly as successful.
Remdesivir has shown mild effectiveness in hospitalized inpatients, but no trials have been registered in outpatients. HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE + AZITHROMYCIN has been WIDELY MISREPRESENTED in both clinical reports and public media, and OUTPATIENT trials results are not expected until September. Early OUTPATIENT illness is very different than later HOSPITALIZED florid disease and the treatments differ. EVIDENCE ABOUT USE OF HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE ALONE, OR OF HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE+AZITHROMYCIN IN INPATIENTS, IS IRRELEVANT concerning efficacy of the pair in early high-risk outpatient disease. FIVE STUDIES, INCLUDING TWO CONTROLLED CLINICAL TRIALS, HAVE DEMONSTRATED SIGNIFICANT MAJOR OUTPATIENT TREATMENT EFFICACY. HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE + AZITHROMYCIN has been used as standard-of-care IN MORE THAN 300,000 OLDER ADULTS with multicomorbidities, with estimated proportion diagnosed with cardiac arrhythmias attributable to the medications 47/100,000 users, of which ESTIMATED MORTALITY IS <20%, 9/100,000 USERS, compared to the 10,000 Americans now dying each week. These medications need to be widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe.
https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/5847586
Dr William Grace, Oncologist and Hematologist, in an interview says people are playing politics aided by the main stream media and many academics, and that's wrong. We have got to keep the politics out of this and keep the scientists working hard, We have Remdesivir, one drug, will reduce the death rate by 11 to maybe 8%, We know that HydroxyChlorquine and Azithromycin, with or without Zinc, MASSIVELY REDUCE the risk of hospitalization and death perhaps by ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE, MAYBE AS MUCH AS 50 FOLD.
Stack Pointer says:
Unless you have a real article? Phooey.
When essentially every “study” has been undertaken on hospitalized patients who never had a chance, good luck with that.
I have never seen such poor quality “science” in all my life, in the heat of an absolute crisis science has been an utter failure. I hate to think it is because Trump happened to have mentioned it in a hopeful context, but people are still dying after your “real articles” have been utterly discredited.
When people are dying and you have no treatment, give me something. If it happens to be a fifty year old drug with plain Zinc, fine. It has been clear this drug combination is both safe and effective for months. But it can’t raise people from the dead.
G. Lee Aikin says:
Here is a more complete and detailed explanation of the complementary actions of the ionophore Hydroxychloroquine and the anti viral Zinc. Several other ionophores are mentioned as well as the use of HCQ and Zinc in S. Korea which has had much success in slowing down the Covid pandemic. Korea has also used the HIV antiviral, Kaletra along with HCQ. And the articles I have read agree with Mr. Gordon that early treatment is essential; before the cytokyne storm effect destroys the lungs or the virus destroys the heme in red blood cells.
https://swietylukasz.pl/en/2020/03/20/zinc-and-covid-19-infection/
RICARDO J DSOUZA says:
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/newsindia/icmr-writes-to-who-expresses-disagreement-with-world-bodys-assessment-of-hydroxychloroquine/ar-BB14L59f?ocid=chromentpnews
Step says:
A study by Yale yesterday says the great benefit to Hydroxy and Z-Pac, by Dr. Harvey Risch, Epidemiologist at Yale Public Health.
Five studies, including two controlled clinical trials, have demonstrated significant major outpatient treatment efficacy. Hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin has been used as standard-of-care in more than 300,000 older adults with multicomorbidities, with estimated proportion diagnosed with cardiac arrhythmias attributable to the medications 47/100,000 users, of which estimated mortality is <20%, 9/100,000 users, compared to the 10,000 Americans now dying each week. These medications need to be widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe.
FROM 40 YEARS EXPERIENCE AS A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL, BUT DR. RISCH AT YALE IS A REAL PRO!
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VirtuvianMan says:
Strange list, there is always a risk/benefit. Infliximab is one of greatest leaps forward in medicine (monoclonal antibodies against cytokines and ever expaning host of targets that can turn on/off parts of the immunesystem to treat autoimmune disease and cancers, so it does not take into account the amount of suffering and prolonged life/life-quality saved). Whereas the real need and benefit of the potential addictive drugs probably reflect that they are overprescribed for to long and mixed with other drugs of abuse. I do think addiction is a real medical and psychiatric disorder that needs treatment, and effective harm reduction with less addictive or non addictive. I also think the medico-legal situation is looking for someone to sue and blame.
And if death by smoking, drinking and overeating was included in the list how would it look.
As VitruvianMan observes, that list is useless, even as an aid to context, in understanding relative toxicity of drugs. I take a few drugs on that list daily, and my physicians agree their benefit to my health far outweighs any risk to my health.
HCQ is intended to be taken either by healthy people as a prophylactic against malaria or by people infected with a susceptible strain of <i?Plasmodium, the parasite which causes malaria. It is also, for unknown reasons, helpful to people with systemic lupus erythematosus and some people with rheumatoid arthritis. Those are its approved uses.
On the other hand, HCQ has repeatedly been shown to be more toxic than it is helpful to COVID-19 patients or anyone else not suffering a disease for which its safety and efficacy has not been shown.
The risk/benefit ratio for anyone not on HCQ’s list of indications who takes it falls sharply on the side of unacceptable risk of patient injury with no clear benefit. All protestations that the WHO and all the other sponsors of trials of HCQ for COVID-19 who are re-considering giving this drug to COVID-19 patients don’t know what they’re doing are, succinctly, bullshit.
The first law of medicine is primus non nocere – “First, do no harm”. And that’s exactly what anyone prescribing, shilling for or taking HCQ off-label must consider.
Once more, with coffee:
HCQ is intended to be taken either by healthy people as a prophylactic against malaria or by people infected with a susceptible strain of Plasmodium, the parasite which causes malaria. It is also, for unknown reasons, helpful to people with systemic lupus erythematosus and some people with rheumatoid arthritis. Those are its FDA-approved uses.
On the other hand, HCQ has repeatedly been shown to be more toxic than it is helpful to COVID-19 patients or anyone else not suffering a disease for which its safety and efficacy has been shown. The risk/benefit ratio for anyone not suffering a disease on HCQ’s list of indications who takes it falls sharply on the side of unacceptable risk of patient injury for no benefit.
All protestations that the WHO and other sponsors of trials of HCQ for COVID-19 who are re-considering giving this drug to COVID-19 patients don’t know what they’re doing are, succinctly, bullshit.
Well, I take five of them every single day. I’m told they’re helping.
If you are going to chose a chemotherapy agent as number one, why Cyclophosphomide? I mean oral Methotrexate must be at least as dangerous. What about Chlorambucil? Sunitinib? Axitinib? Pazobitib? Melphalan? The list goes on!
Clearly, it’s a risk-benefit assessment the patient’s oncologist ought to make, taking the patient’s overall health into account.
“The dose determines the poison.” Paracelsus, the father of modern pharmacology.
Paracelsus’s point was that the only thing distinguishing a “medication” from a “poison” was how well-tolerated it is by an individual patient at a given dose. It’s why many countries require many drugs to be prescribed by a physician whose job it is to find out what the safe and effective dose for a given “prescription drug” is for an individual patient.
HCQ is not an innocuous miracle cure for COVID-19 that we should be able to buy without a prescription. Just as we trust doctors to prescribe HCQ “off-label” for lupus erythematosus or RA (the science supports that usage, just not the FDA’s recommended indication for use), doctors should be trusted to consider using HCQ under their supervision as prophylaxis against COVID-19 if the science supports that use, and while being watchful against HCQ’s known bad side effects..
boffin77 says:
Virology Journal 2005, 2:69
Research Open Access
Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread
Martin J Vincent, Eric Bergeron, Suzanne Benjannet, Bobbie R Erickson,
Pierre E Rollin, Thomas G Ksiazek, Nabil G Seidah and Stuart T Nichol
Did they also use Zinc? Hey, just kidding. 🙂
Those HCQ believers will shut their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and say “lalala”.
It puzzles me as well, but many people just believe what they want to believe nowadays. Don’t let them make you mad.
colintd says:
I was ever thus, we just hear more of the “believers” given the wonder of the Internet and (anti-)social media.
They’ve always been around. Just look at how successful religions have been in our history.
NotADoc says:
Religion in some form seems to be wired in to humanity. Cut that circuit out at your peril.
Oudeis says:
I was once a missionary in a highly educated, scientifically advanced European country where most people were atheists. When I tried to talk religion with them, many would dismiss God as pure superstition. And then some of those same people would turn around and lecture me seriously about the benefits of homeopathic medicine or worse.
You can see a similar phenomenon in today’s U.S., where you find anti-vaccine agitation both among working-class or middle-class conservatives and among professional-class liberals.
There’s a lot of credulity out there, among believers as among atheists. But if you think credulity’s all there is to religious belief, I will politely suggest that you are mistaken. (And then I will stop the threadjack and leave the blog to its usual excellent discussion of very important topics.)
Olandese Volante says:
Oh, I know quite a few people who identify as atheist (of the hardcore variety: “There is no god”) who happily believe such fairy tales as Adam Smith’s “Invisible Hand” 😉
True statement
All I’d add to that is that the degree of extremism in one’s own belief system (from iron-clad atheism to some branch of belief in a God or Guiding Spirit) usually goes with one or more rejections of science as everyone else understands it (e.g., anti-vaccine fervor, Lysenkoism, various conspiracy theories, belief that fraternal organizations run the world, rabid opposition to relativistic and quantum physics and/or belief in a Flat Earth).
Isn’t that what a macrolide is?
Sorry meant: is supposed to interact with…How do you delete a comment?
Sadly you and the author of this blog are doing the same thing you accuse others of doing. You choose the studies that seemingly support your view and don’t try to understand the nuances. You ignore the studies that show your view is not the entire picture. You (not the author as far as I am aware) make jokes about the opposing view when you are doing something similar.
So what is the truth? I think if you look at the entire body of evidence available to us today you will find there is good evidence that HCQ has some preventative benefit, but we don’t know why. You will find weak evidence that it has a slight benefit in early treatment, but it may be insignificant to some or even most patients. You will find evidence that when HCQ is combined with zinc there is benefit when used with early treatment. I believe if anyone looked honestly at the entire evidence available today you would come to a similar view.
Please provide sources.
(second attempt at posting)
Here is a video that explains the theory on why HCQ with zinc may have a benefit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIymfznD7YA&t=348
This video was posted March 17th, before any studies came out saying HCQ by itself is ineffective. In other words the idea of using HCQ and zinc was not a response to HCQ not working as some posters have suggested.
Here another rationalization:
In vitro it has been shown that HCQ is effective at stopping COVID19.
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-2-69
In vitro it has been shown that zinc combined with an ionosphere is effective at stopping COVID19.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21079686/?dopt=Abstract
In vivo it has been show that CQ (acting as an ionosphere) increases the concentration of zinc in the cell. (caveat, I don’t know if this is general to all/most cells, maybe someone can speak to this).
Because it has been shown in vivo that CQ increases zinc concentration in the cell (see above caveat) there is a strong reason to think that the behavior of zinc stopping COVID19 in vitro would also happen in vivo.
Here is the actual evidence:
To the best of my knowledge there has been only one completed and published study on combining HCQ and zinc to treat COVID-19. The study was retrospective, but was of high quality, and suggests that the benefit of combining HCQ and zinc is real and significant.
There have been many questionable studies using just HCQ with no zinc, including the one in this blog, but the following study published in the New England Journal of Medicine seems to be higher quality:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2012410
It shows an interesting graph that suggests HCQ has a little benefit early on in treatment and a detrimental benefit later on, but overall the difference between those who took HCQ and those that did not was insignificant.
Many of the populations susceptible to COVID19 including older people, people with hypertension, and people with diabetes are on average more zinc deficient or have more zinc metabolic issues compared to their counterparts. That being said, I have not heard of anyone trying to measure zinc levels in COVID19 patients and so this piece of evidence is interesting, but definitely speculative.
Diabetes: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6881179/
Hypertension: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-01-zinc-deficiency-role-high-blood.html
Older people: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18200755/
There have been anecdotal reports from doctors treating COVID19 patients that HCQ without the zinc is ineffective.
There are many anecdotal reports of good outcomes of COVID19 patients when treated with HCQ and zinc. I have not seen any negative reports.
Trew says:
I do not believe chloroquine acts as a traditional zinc ionophore through passive diffusion. The charge charge interactions and innocents nature of binding suggest therapeutically dangerous levels would need to be obtained in order to obtain Zn(II) binding.
celticgirl says:
Why dont you just start your own blog ? If you do not agree with Derek who is a professional and who knows what he is posting about then just start your own blog. Maybe you can ask Mr trump to start a blog with you !!!
@celticgirl, we don’t need another blog, or another anecdotal report or testimonial. What we need is for the doctors – those who say HCQ+Zpack+Zn works very well for their patients – to provide datasets.
That’s what I’m trying to do at my project FieldTrials.net / OSF.io, is to reach out to doctors and clinics and ask them to show data of their Covid patients. What we need are hard numbers. I like the zinc+Hcq idea but what I’d really like is to know for a fact.
I agree with Kurt about zinc deficiency being correlated with old age and the chronic conditions that mark 99% of the Sars Cov 2 fatalities, I wrote that up 6 weeks ago at https://tinyurl.com/Think-Zinc . So we have a beautiful theory why Hcq+Zn works, but we don’t have the NUMBERS yet to prove that it DOES work.
@Kurt is also right that calling it a religion to be a zinc fan is ditto a faith-based attitude, the pot calling the kettle black. I think most people here are all trying to use our reasoning powers to be science-based, yet being human, we are all influenced by beliefs or ideas that appeal to us.
The reason supporters of the zinc hypothesis aren’t swayed by articles like the Lancet’s is not fanaticism. It’s that these surveys are never about zinc. From our zinc-think viewpoint their study is a huge straw man, in fact a waste of resources to look at 90,000 Hcq cases without controlling for zinc. Millions of words are being spilt about Hcq but we don’t have a dog in that fight, it isn’t the same as Hcq + zinc.
The closest thing I’ve seen so far in terms of quant data about Hcq+Zn is the NYU study where they had 900 patients on Hcq, half of them also on zinc and half without zinc. The death rate for those on zinc was only half as high as for those without it. There is a link to it here https://osf.io/qw54t/wiki/Literature-HCQ-Zinc/ the case fatality rate is on the last page 22/22 of the pdf. Also at the above link is a call for nationwide application of HCQ+Zpack+Zn (Zelenko’s 3-pack) which has been signed by 50 doctors.
Time will tell, but time is ex-pen-sive on this one.
That’s why I’m asking – if there are any doctors out there giving Zelenko’s 3-pack (Hcq+Zpack+Zn) – we could speed things up if you gentlemen could share your data. I created a data form you can download here https://osf.io/x9szt/ .
NB I should mention that one of the “Anecdoctors” Dr Rajter in Broward County Florida, says that you need to add Ivermectin to the 3-pack, and he’s planning to publish a paper on it. I believe the hospitals in his county are using his “4-pack” regimen.
There are ten such doctors listed here https://osf.io/qw54t/wiki/Early-Adopters/ . Why would 10 different doctors make up the same story and go to the media to say this treatment is working well for their patients? We need to find out what the basis is. What I don’t understand is why nobody else seems to be looking into that.
The problem with this post is an unwillingness to formulate and speak an argument of it’s own, using links to support it rather than as the actual argument. It’s relatively easy to link a bunch of disseperate YouTube links and random studies so that no one can see the evidence in one place (indeed, this is one of the reasons why people cite YouTube videos in the first place, as making poor arguments verbally hides them better), then claim it’s all there if only people would listen.
The NEJM study doesn’t, for example, offer the positive evidence you claim. It is at best neutral, and at worst against, noting that patients treated with HCQ were on average MORE sick after a period if time; not a positive at the start as if it mattered in some way (if it doesn’t have a big enough effect or stop a progression of the disease, that improvement has little meaning if any) followed by a negative if treated later. It just illustrated that the disease kept going regardless, and that people treated with HCQ got sicker than those not treated. I can pick a link from your post at random and find it’s not what you say it is, Kurt. That’s a very bad sign when you justify everything, even make your arguments, solely via links.
Hmm, Lancet versus youtube. Decisions, decisions…
Diahl says:
Kurt makes some very good points and I can only add that in many countries in Asia where I have relatives in the medical profession, there are dozens of reports of hydrochloroquine and zinc being used with success. It is the only primary early treatment in those countries. They are incredulous that the west are not doing the same.
theasdgamer says:
@Diahl
The reply from the anti-HC ers will be that the plural of anecdotal isn’t evidence. It’s true that well-controlled studies provide better evidence than anecdotal reports. However, in the absence of well-controlled studies (not the Lancet codswallop), anecdotal evidence is the best we have.
The only evidence that the sun rises in the east or that water is wet is anecdotal. But I guess that isn’t real evidence. /sarcasm
@Night I posted the NEJM article because I thought it did a decent job at studying hydroxchloroquine without the zinc. And I am in agreement that hydroxchloroquine without zinc appears to show little if any benefit as a treatment for COVID19. My intention was not to make a political pro hydroxychloroquine post, but to give people a better idea of the truth as far as what we know about it.
I made a mistake in my understanding of this experiment: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4182877/
It was not done in vivo (in the body). That weakens my argument that there is evidence that HCQ or CQ is actually acting as an ionosphere in the human body. Certainly if anyone has more information on this please post.
Kurt, please see the following post.
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/05/04/hydroxychloroquine-update-may-4#comment-318491
I do not know of one citation to the paper you link where scientist we using that methodology to study zinc homeostasis in cells.
Hólmsteinn Jónasson says:
Chloroquine Is a Zinc Ionophore https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4182877/?fbclid=IwAR1kpx2vcFa0i466pKBIS_ND1SJWnbHDXaU2v3QBZT9Cog268XH9Uj1UJb4
Hólmsteinn Jónasson, that is the same paper Kurt linked to above. Now, please show me independent verification of the results from a different lab.
Trew, confirmation is typically done by competing scientists in a field. Disconfirmation is an easy way to get published, barring politics.
Theasdgamer, ionophores are typically used to study zinc homeostasis in cells, much of which is focused on neurons. On commercial fronts, Zn(II) or Cu(II) ionophores are used as additives to paints and shampoos. While a replication of the exact experiment is unlikely to be published, a new Zn(II) ionophore would be a welcomed addition to any inorganic biochemist’s toolbox and used to study Zn(II) biochemistry at the cellular level, thus indirectly leading to conformation.
KURT: On May 11, 2020, the NYU Grossman School of Medicine reported “anecdotal Covid-19 patient observational evidence” FULLY SUPPORTING your presentation. What happens? The Mainstream News Media basically ignores the NYU report while “eagerly and happily” reporting two NO ZINC trials that support that the “Trump touted” hydroxychloroquine does not work. Even I had no idea that Liberals are so hateful that they would prefer Covid-19 patients die than to offer them a chance at recovering.
Terry Ott says:
https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25885/20200601/yale-epidemiologist-hydroxychloroquine-used-standard-covid-19-treatment-despite-being-harmful.htm
For the life of me, I cannot see why there is resistance to trying this treatment protocol.
Cmdr Ralph Blowchowsky, Antedean Air Force says:
> In vitro it has been shown that zinc combined with an ionosphere is effective at stopping COVID19.
Ionosphere? And you’re trying to present a (pseudo) scientific argument? Perhaps a little more attention to detail might bolster your credibility a little. Not much, mind, but a little.
JC James says:
I see that Mr Derek is at it again. This is my third post in his columns this last two months. Hopefully it is by coincidence since he is popping around when I am listing research papers from time to time. This is also my last comment since I am no troll and I cannot find any scientific information in his diatribes.
I also have now noticed that Mr. Derek is also following Ms. Elisabeth Bik. They are both unilaterally against HCQ and both also practice cherry-picking and poor reporting/reposting. In my eyes, it looks like “science integrism” more than “science integrity” (scienceintegritydigest.com) and I fear that with this sanitary crisis we have moved from the Social Justice Warriors to the Science Justice Warriors. One good thing, the acronym stays the same: SJW.
I like scientific debate but one needs decent skepticism, not pure skepticism like with this new kind of SJW. I will not be surprised to see this paper withdrawn if not worse (see point 1 and 4) because it is not a preprint.
Just to be clear, I would do the same to studies that pass peer reviews favoring or not HCQ. I stand quite neutral on preprint papers **if** represented correctly. After all, it is *the* new game and it is fine by me. But for anyone who had one to start with: do not lose your scientific mind.
Has for one of the many daunting issues of this paper (none replicability in the first place > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis): An email sent by a neurolog to the author of the paper
**Request For An International Investigation On Serious Medical Faults Involved In Article Lancet**
https://www.facebook.com/paul.trouillas/posts/1400807636758824
“In your article of Lancet, (May 22, 2020), it is perfectly established that several institutions of your registry took the criminal risk of giving the mentioned drugs in patients with cardiac arrhythmias and heart failure, while these diseases are absolute contraindications of chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine, and still more absolute contraindications for their associations with macrolides.
Thus, 417 patients with heart failure and 520 patients with cardiac arrhythmias were put at death risk in this series, which is an intolerable enterprise of putting to death severe patients, the more as COVID 19 adds cardiac risks.”
-(2)-
Has for the cherry picking from those SJW, why not explain this oddity pointed out by Pr. Raoult team (at least a bit more fair in their papers picking) ? And please, do not answer by using another computerized study like this one https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-14203-0
Here you have 21 references on the subject at hand and the question from the team is: Why is that that 100% of pure computerized analysis are finding HCQ inefficient even dangerous while 75% of the observational studies are finding the opposite. Quite an interesting question.
> https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/figure.pdf
> https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Supplementary-table.xlsx
> https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/a-propos-de-lefficacite-clinique-des-derives-de-la-chloroquine-dans-linfection-a-covid-19-analyse-virtuelle-contre-monde-medical/
This one just got out and I encourage anyone to read it slowly and carefully.
-(4)- More news on the matter
Todd Lee (Canada)
https://twitter.com/drtoddlee/status/1265618442931048454
(scientific minds at work and more issues on surface data, aka hospitals listing) https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/05/26/last-post-on-hydroxychloroquine-perhaps
(ethical issues) https://melwy.com/blog/lancet-paper-on-chloroquine-is-overhyped-real-world-data-should-not-be-a-black-box
(overall)
http://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2020/may/28/questions-raised-over-hydroxychloroquine-study-which-caused-who-to-halt-trials-for-covid-19
100 doctors and professors around the world have just posted an open letter (May 28th).
https://zenodo.org/record/3862789?fbclid=IwAR0m85ZUejKyD46Hyu9SdJAI9DZWC9t6mcvf_IbyE315oipnd8fS4H5f-es#.XtAONoU33fb
Now, in order to bring some needed fresh air in here
https://youtu.be/4rRJdDlvULM?t=364 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Laborit
(auto-translation > https://youtu.be/0Ng7TJ1esuk)
Gerben Wierda gave an excellent answer on (2) a two years ago and it still follows the Hubert Dreyfus critics in the 70’s.
The most important lessons are:
* Statistics can be very effective and worthwhile; it’s not nonsense. But …
* Make sure your plans for analytics do not assume you can do singulars without people in control (analytics-assisted human activity, or AHA).
* Make sure your plans take the new brittleness of the ‘new AI’ in account (again: You will need people).
* Make sure your new statistics-based operations are ethical.
* Make sure you plan for much more storage and compute power close to that storage.
* Ignore everyone who talks about “cognitive computing” or “the singularity”, and in general everyone who champions new technologies without understanding their limitations. These people are peddling General Problem Solvers, and they’re going to be very expensive to listen to.
https://ea.rna.nl/2018/04/04/something-is-still-rotten-in-the-kingdom-of-artificial-intelligence
Sure, but you pick *tiny*, ill-controlled or uncontrolled studies.
No, sorry. You’re in fantasy land. The entire excitement about this drug combination was originally generated with not only a different theory of action but a different *purported benefit* than you are suggesting.
Somewhere along the way we switched from clearance to prophylaxis, without skipping a beat. There isn’t much evidence for *either*, and a lot of evidence *against* clearance.
Let’s wait for the biggish study on prophylaxis to come out – It will show there isn’t such an effect or I will gladly cook and eat my hat, but let’s wait! Will you say something different after that comes to pass? I certainly will if I’m wrong.
But, anyway, it just keeps going, because, well, yeah. It just does. There’s just enough noise that people who want to believe can believe and persuade themselves they aren’t in “colloidal silver” territory, but they’re still wrong.
still clinging to the chloroquine hope at this point is little more than “I want to believe.” the fact that advocates have to continually cherry-pick little things and constantly move the goalposts means there’s no “there” there.
can we move on please and spend time & effort on stuff which does appear to be working?
Here is my own rationalization on why I think the combination of HCQ with zinc may be effective at treating COVID-19:
I think the combination of HCQ with zinc may be effective at treating COVID19 because:
It has been shown in vitro that HCQ is effective at stopping COVID19. It has been shown In vitro that zinc combined with an ionosphere is effective at stopping COVID19. It has been shown in vivo that CQ (acting as an ionosphere) increases the concentration of zinc in the cell.
Because it has been shown in vivo (inside the body) that CQ increases zinc concentration in the cell there is a strong reason to think that the behavior of zinc stopping COVID19 in vitro (outside the body) would also happen in vivo (inside the body).
johnnyboy says:
I checked that paper you cite as evidence that chloroquine increases intracellular zinc in vivo. All the experiments described in the paper are in vitro, ie. done on cells in culture. In vivo means a study done a live animal/human. Many things can be made to happen in cell cultures, which may or may not be biologically relevant in a whole organism.
The problem with the zinc thing is that your cells all contain zinc already, as they need it to function normally. Zinc homeostasis is tightly regulated, meaning that if you take zinc orally to a level beyond what your body needs, it will either not be absorbed or be rapidly excreted. So this idea that HCQ does not work by itself but only works with added zinc looks bunk on its face, because the zinc is already there in yout tissues. Only if patients were severely zinc deficient might this hypothesis perhaps make sense; but although zinc deficiency can occur, it usually does in populations with nutritional deficiencies, eating lots of grains or plant-based materials with very little meat – definitely not the situation in western countries.
Not all cellular zinc is the same. Zinc is typically used for cellular purposes and doesn’t float free in the cytosol. It’s typically not available to inhibit viral replication. HC increases zinc levels within endosomes. Add a virus and voila! Zinc is able to escape the endosome along with the virus and bind to the viral polymerase, preventing replication. At this point it’s just an hypothesis, but it IS based on our current understanding of cell biology.
@Johnboy and others. You are correct. I made a mistake in my understanding of this experiment: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4182877/
It was not done in vivo (in the body). That does weaken my argument that HCQ or CQ is truly acting as an ionosphere in the actual human body. Instead it was only shown in cell cultures. I apologize for misleading anyone who read my reasoning on this. I wish I could edit my posts.
I am curious to know what evidence we have that HCQ is actually acting as a zinc ionosphere in the human body beyond what we have seen in cell cultures.
It’s a lousy study. Cherry picking data. I will repeat what I wrote in earlier post:
Too many endpoints. And important endpoints were not met. You should choose the endpoints prior to looking at the data and just choose one or two endpoints, in particular, the most important endpoints (survival for example). Then do your retrospective review. (knowing that being a retrospective review already has problems). If you choose a large number of endpoints, it is almost impossible to get some association due to chance alone. Also, keep in mind… there may be another hundred hospital groups like Yale who could have published a retrospective on Hydroxychloroquine and zinc and found that there was no benefit… so they didn’t bother to report it. One study is published that looks positive and the people who read it (naturally) think that it is the only study ever done. People don’t realize that there may be many other studies or “experiences” where there is no association.
Do the randomized study and then publish it.
RCTs work well for chronic diseases…HBP, kidney disease, heart disease, AIDS…but how did they work out for acute diseases like SARS, MERS, H1N1, ebola? I seriously don’t know.
>Many of the populations susceptible to COVID19 including […] people with diabetes […]
I am sorry to disappoint you but this no more the case. In the lancet retrospective study, if you take time to read carefully the appendix, you will see that diabetes have an hazard ratio above one only in North America (1.305) and Europe (1.151). For South America (0.744), Africa (0.769) and Australia (0.897), diabetes is protective.
PS: Yes, this does not make any sense. But it is actually what this study says. My post is a very bad joke but this study is even worse.
WOLFRAM BLATTNER says:
The only difference is that this article comes from the People’s Pharmacy. More than a credible source.
On the internet, nobody knows you’re an obese former pyramid power scammer. When you’re tempted to waste ten seconds arguing with one of the True Believers, consider whom you’re likely dealing with.
Waste. Of. Time.
I believe the best data/conclusions. The Lancet article does not measure up. Anecdotal evidence is better than the Lancet article because the disease is novel and the Lancet article mixes early buggered data with later better data.
Nesprin says:
Did you seriously just state that anecdotes are better evidence than a large, rigorously collected dataset published in the Lancet?
Oh, you mean that article that said that its conclusions only apply in hospital settings–not to ambulatory clinics?
I’m also skeptical that the authors could have gotten all that data ethically, analyzed it, and published in 30 days.
I expect that the Lancet article will be withdrawn soon. From the article, HC supposedly increases the need for ventilation. That will be news to rheumatologists everywhere. More likely barotrauma due to iatrogenic treatment was the primary cause of death for covid patients early on. HC was merely along for the ride. Check out Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell’s youtube vids.
Oh look. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/mysterious-company-s-coronavirus-papers-top-medical-journals-may-be-unraveling
Maybe he should actually look at studies done early with zinc…https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1
Anthony S. Pervan says:
All the HCQ “believers” are seeking is a REAL CLINICAL TRIAL. Both the “96,000 patient Clinical Trial” and the Veterans Administration Clinical Trial OMITTED ZINC. WHEN NYU GROSSMAN SCHOOL OF MEDICINE gave patients ZINC with – got that everyone, especially Derek Lowe – it observed 44% FEWER DEATHS.
THERE ARE NO BODY STORES OF ZINC. A DAILY INTAKE OF ZINC IS NEEDED TO MAINTAIN ADEQUATE BODY LEVELS.
Eleven says:
Mark Shier says:
“But what about zinc?!”
I thought I’d try to get that in before the interesting posters arrive.
Thank you for collecting this info, and for putting up with a lot of nonsense.
Don’t forget the zinc loaded leeches!
Serious, Derek, thanks so much for continuing to provide a science led voice of sanity in these insane times.
Ignore the idiots, keep up the good work!
NMH says:
If the leeches are loaded with zinc, just make sure to check their phlogistin levels. That may be an important variable.
Another Guy says:
Maybe the cure only works if you move through the aether really fast?
Silverlakebodhisattva says:
You only apply zincy leeches in cases in which the patient clearly has an imbalance of between their black bile and the phlegm….
….and if Mars appears to be in retrograde motion due to its position in it’s epicycle.
Felis Catus says:
Do we need a name for the zinc proponents, Galvanists perhaps? Or Galvanistas?
chiz says:
Zinc-heads
Galvanists is great!
And what do you call all the sophisticates that were so easily and obviously duped by the bogus lancet study?
10 Fingers says:
I was actually curious as to whether there was a “firm rationale” of any sort about the Zinc Effect. Following the literature chain led back to papers that indicated that the specific in vitro enzymatic effects postulated on the viral replication machinery are in the high micromolar/low millimolar range, and that the ionophore-assisted effects on cells are close to the non-specific tox limit. Never mind that HCQ or CQ do not seem to achieve the ionospheric concentrations established as sufficient when dosed in actual people (if I read it correctly).
At the risk of opening a can of something foul in this discussion, is there any legitimate real world case to be made that this mechanism could make sense?
See my earlier post for a critique of chloroquine as an ionophore. To all the Zn(II) proponents, I have not seen a study using only zinc as a control. In addition, Zn(II) has long been known to inhibit many enzymes at elevated concentrations and/or increase potency of drugs with, to my knowledge, almost no success.
kismet says:
The most success zinc showed for viral diseases is as a treatment for the common cold. No, not oral zinc that ol’ snake oil; it’s high dose zinc as a lozenge. At least in that context it would reach very high local concentrations so that it might do something. Not clear this has any relevance whatsoever to COVID, though. Do we know the preferred route of entry and early stage infection? It is hard to believe zinc lozenges would help much with bona fide pneumonia…
Hemilä, Harri. “Zinc lozenges and the common cold: a meta-analysis comparing zinc acetate and zinc gluconate, and the role of zinc dosage.” JRSM open 8.5 (2017): 2054270417694291.
RA says:
Your comment highlights something I have been wondering…are we talking enough about the optimal route of administration for potential pre-exposure prophylaxis, post-exposure prophylaxis, or early stage treatments? If the nasopharynx is where the virus initially sets up shop and replicates, is there a role for intranasal sprays, oral sprays, lozenges, etc to get high local concentrations of some agents at an early stage vs the enteral route of administration, in which one would think you would be limited in the local tissue levels you can achieve without causing systemic toxicity?
I also wonder when it comes to immunization approaches whether there could be a role for intranasal administration, probably not as monotherapy as intranasal flu vaccine hasn’t worked well…but maybe as an adjunctive…. say you could vaccinate simultaneously with an IM injection and an intranasal spray, would that make a vaccine approach more effective on a population level given that some of the proposed vaccine candidates don’t completely eliminate infection and nasopharyngeal viral shedding, but rather reduce the risk of severe lung disease? I know there are probably many logistical reasons making that impractical, but I am curious if biologically that would potentially be more effective.
Interestingly, the paper was considered evidence of zinc with the common cold. The author also published the following study. Which do you believe.
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/1/e031662
Zn2+ Inhibits Coronavirus and Arterivirus RNA Polymerase Activity In Vitro and Zinc Ionophores Block the Replication of These Viruses in Cell Culture
The inhibition of enzyme activity by zinc has been known for decades. I do not know of one drug in that time frame to use zinc ionophores to increase potency of drugs in vivo. Zinc-mediated serine protease inhibitors designed at Arris pharmaceuticals is one such example.
If humans were just cell lines, we would have a cure for just about everything that ails us. Sometimes I believe if we were mice we would have cures for half the diseases. The attrition rate for drugs successful in vitro making it into the clinic is so low that, dare I say most medicinal chemist in basic research will not work on a successful medicine.
Has to be Organic Zinc. The Big Pharma kind is loaded fetal cells
Fetal cells? Are you sure? I heard GMO corn.
Ok, lol, I’ll label your side the Zinc Deniers. But seriously, zinc levels should be checked to give us more data. It’s well established that zinc levels need to be high to clear viruses. If covid undermines zinc levels, that could open the door for other viruses. Or maybe patients have low zinc levels due to diet (e.g., being old men with bad teeth who don’t eat meat).
I just read something from Carnegie Mellon where they determined ~50% of tweets promoting “Re-open America” were bots or bot-assisted.
so I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the CQ/HCQ nonsense is similarly bot generated. we are being manipulated into fighting each other over everything. and it’s working frighteningly well.
The bots are about sewing dissent. The best thing that could happen to the world would be the sudden death of twitter. It does more harm than good (just like Hydroxychloroquine, to keep this comment on topic)
To be fair, if twitter would apply their own guidelines to just one high profile account, we could focus on things other than hydroxychloroquine.
Charles H. says:
Unfortunately, the Twitter guidelines explicitly exclude high profile politicians, so they *are* following their guidelines in this case.
Sometimes it is a good idea to give those who argue against us a ladder to climb down off the high horse, rather than climb up with them. Let’s see this as a clear result for substantial and controlled, but expensive and laborious, clinical evidence. Pressure groups can be useful but “kick and run” clinical pseudo-trials are not. There should be some senior scientists and physicians wiping egg off their faces, and some journal editors staring at the ground in shame. Apart from that, we are no further forward after wasting time, money and effort on a wild-goose chase.
Derek, sorry for nitpicking, but you mentioned doxycycline as an example of macrolide antibiotic whereas doxocycline is actually from the tetracycline class. This is important distinction because the side effects, namely cardiotoxicity is what seems to be the driver in the increased mortality in the combination therapy groups.
It just happens that doxy and other tetracyclines do not have marked cardiotoxicity. They are known for skin problems, phototoxicity, teeth enamel damage and digestive upset and also affecting CYPs (an inducer) and occasional intracranial hypertension and hepatotoxicity but no QT prolongation. In fact doxy combo with antimalarials is frequently used because it plays nice with quine-drugs
Vaudaux says:
Seeing Derek refer to doxycycline as a macrolide gave me a jolt too, so I looked at the paper. The alternative to azithromycin was actually clarithromycin (a macrolide), not doxycycline.
Clarithromycin is listed with a major side effect of QT prolongation. Why would this drug be indicated for a this disease? https://www.drugs.com/disease-interactions/clarithromycin.html#QT_prolongation
Drug-induced QT interval prolongation: mechanisms and clinical management
Fraud Guy says:
Who would have thought that a serially failed businessman would point people to a product that he invested in that doesn’t work?
Not a Doctor says:
We keep bloodletting and it still isn’t working! The blood imbalance must be worse than we thought!
This is why it’s important to publish negative results.
@Not a Doctor
Donation of Blood Is Associated With Reduced Risk of Myocardial Infarction. The Kuopio Ischaemic Heart Disease Risk Factor Study
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9737556/
psoun says:
Derek – very interesting. Curious when Boulware’s UMN study will publish its RCT to contrast results (or pile on). I’d love to get my hands on this dataset to run some more statistics.
One striking thing – heart issues (coronary heart disease or congestive heart failure) are noted in 16-17% of the CQ/HCQ group. On what planet would a physician prescribe CQ/HCQ to those groups, given the known heart issues with the drug? I’d be curious to re-run the results (control vs. treatment) excluding those patients from the sample. There are plenty of degrees of freedom to do that and other analyses to see if CQ/HCQ fails across the board or if there are patient segments that show any statistically significant benefit or not.
Hydrochloroquine has been used for hundreds of thousands of malaria patients in Asia. The medical profession there consider it a very very safe drug. The issues of QT elongation etc only kick in at much higher doses than necessary to treat CoVID. The real question is why are people giving such dangerously high doses?
Anonymous Coward says:
Everyone out there who is using hydroxychloroquine with or without a macrolide antibiotic is taking a lead from Didier Raoult’s studies, since they’re the most prominent ones that seem to demonstrate any efficacy for HCQ. Unfortunately, as our host and many others have shown, these studies are real dumpster fires that don’t demonstrate what they say they do and have the stink of fraud about them.
“The issues of QT elongation etc only kick in at much higher doses than necessary to treat CoVID. The real question is why are people giving such dangerously high doses?”
How do you know what the necessary dose is to treat COVID-19? Do you have a peer reviewed scientific study that shows this fabulous necessary dose that should be used? Oh, right, the only “studies” out there that recommend its use are the garbage studies by Didier Raoult’s team, and that’s where the doses that most of the places that are trying to use hydroxychloroquine are based. There are known necessary doses for HCQ used as an anti-malarial that come from honest to goodness scientific studies. There are also known, necessary doses for HCQ used as treatment for lupus or rheumatoid arthritis, also based on solid scientific studies. What is becoming increasingly clear though, with all of these better studies that are coming out, is that HCQ is NOT helpful for COVID-19 at any dose.
“Better studies”…giving antivirals late is soooo much better…covid provides a fairly long window for treatment with zinc / HC, but hospitalization is way too late for optimum prognosis.
On the basis of the results of a clinical trial whose results were published in…?
Mr. Coward,
The evidence for the effectiveness of Zelenko’s protocol for ambulatory patients is on the basis of anecdotal reports derived from the observations of expert clinicians. Risch, who looks at a few of these, has written a paper that has been accepted for publication. Here you go… https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/5847586
A weakness of this study is that they did not include country as a covariate in their analysis. There are dramatically different prescribing patterns between countries. Also big mortality differences. If the RCTs read out in the opposite direction – this country/outcome confounding will be the most likely culprit for the difference in results.
There’s a lot of weakness in the statistics – it’s all at metapopulation level. I’d explore the authors to post the anonymized data online and give us social scientists a crack at it. It’s very possible more statistical analysis would confirm what the authors have but I’d like to see that.
I find the findings on ACE inhibitors and to a lesser degree, statins, fascinating! There was an early concern that ACE inhibitors might elevate your risk with ACE2 upregulation, but the data thus far seem to suggest the protective effect seen in other viral infections may seem to hold in COVID-19.
I wonder if there should be a strongly concerted effort to get more patients who have a clinical indication for ACE inhibitors and statins to be taking them. I also wonder if some of the health disparities we are seeing with COVID have to do with the fact that ACE inhibitors are not considered as effective antihypertensive therapy in black patients, who also have lower use of statins compared to recommendations…is this something that deserves further investigation?
Should we go so far as to encourage people on other antihypertensives to switch to ACE inhibitors…or what further data would we need to say that with more confidence?
I agree. This is an important and well-done study. I esp. like the cautious conclusions and recognizing the limitations of the trial, esp. the potential of selection bias and the lack of applicability to treatment in an outpatient setting. The authors did try to address possible selection bias by looking at a propensity analysis and doing a tipping point analysis.
Looking at their supplemental material, I was impressed by the consistency of the results across the different continents. There is still a possibility of selection bias, but it would have to be large to nullify their finding of a fairly large adverse effect of using HCQ or CQ.
Looking at arrhythmia incidence, specifically, it was interesting to me in the propensity analysis, to compare the rates of arrhythmia with CQ or HCQ alone with CQ or HCQ plus a macrolide (tables are in the supplemental materials file). The concomitant use of a macrolide possibly increased the risk of arrhythmia slightly (from 4 to 6% with CQ, and from 6 to 8% with HCQ), but it did appear that use of either CQ or HCQ alone was driving the arrhythmia risk.
After this study, it would be hard to recommend giving HCQ or CQ to seriously ill, hospitalized patients with COVID.
One example of a problem with a study like this. A given hospital may be trying to use hydroxychloroquine sparingly. So they may only give it to their sicker patients. They may then end up with a large population of those who recovered on their own without needing any HCQ. This would skew the results heavily and show a higher death rate for those taking HCQ. Does this study in any way control for this?
Kurt, from the post “””Let’s note at the start that the authors controlled for a number of confounding factors (such as age, sex, race or ethnicity, body-mass index, cardiovascular disease and risk factors, diabetes, lung disease, smoking, immunosuppressed condition, and overall disease severity)”””
“overall disease severity”
The study uses data from 671 hospitals. I would imagine it is not easy to compare and control factors such as the severity of the disease between the HCQ/CQ group and the control group across so many hospitals.
Why does this study https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2012410
give a different result and show no significant difference between HCQ and control group compared to the study in the blog? These studies come to very different conclusions which one should I trust?
Alan Goldhammer says:
In our local hospital which is a branch of a major US med school, HCQ was the standard of therapy from the start of the outbreak in our area. I suspect this was the case for a number of others as well.
Kurt, I think the possibility of a selection bias remains. One common error that naive readers of studies make is, when they see a study with 90,000 patients, they think it must be more valid than a study with 900 patients. This is not necessarily so. The same selection bias can exist with the 90K patients as with 900 or even 90 patients. People go through all sorts of ‘adjustments’ as the authors of this study did, and more recently, making adjustments using propensity score analysis. However, if the physicians in charge were deciding to treat more severe patients preferentially with CQ or HCQ, with or without a macrolide antibiotic, unadjusted for selection bias may still be a factor. For example, in the VA ‘study’, there was at least one indication that patients treated with HCQ were more severely ill, in terms of having a lower white blood cell count. Having said this, the authors or this study are well aware of the selection bias problem, and did just about everything humanly possible to minimize it. And the magnitude of the increase in mortality, as well as the increased arrhythmia risk found is not trivial. One of the downsides of some studies with 90,000 patients is, that there is a chance of finding a “20% increase in risk” of something when the baseline risk is only 1% or so, and so moving from 1.0 to 1.2% is not a big deal. But the increase in mortality risk in this study was a big deal and is clinically important.
Still, I don’t think this study should dampen enthusiasm for testing HCQ for early treatment in an outpatient setting or post-exposure prevention. Here the risk of arrhythmia is likely to be similar to that seen in treating lupus patients or patients with rheumatoid arthritis (essentially nil). And those who have advocated for use of HCQ to treate COVID emphasize that HCQ may work only when given within a few days of onset of symptoms. Plus there is the zinc argument. There is one potential safety argument against use of HCQ early to treat COVID-19. It may work to reduce severity of symptoms and harmful tissue effect, and if the patient recovers without requiring hospitalization, fine; no safety issue there. However, in those few patients with COVID-19 and taking HCQ who will require hospitalization, even if the HCQ is stopped at time of admission, the medication has an extraordinarily long half-life, so prehospitalization use will result in some amount of HCQ remaining on board during a hospitalization. This may theoretically put the patient at risk of a poor outcome or arrhythmia, when HCQ is onboard along with the panoply of additional stressors that seriously ill, hospitalized patients often encounter.
Spencer Stang says:
You are correct. In fact, the reason that everybody keeps saying that we need RCTs is that attempting to control for all factors statistically is near impossible without randomization. Even eyeballing the data you can see that the control group was younger, had fewer comorbidities, and was less sick. Nonetheless, you nailed the most likely source of bias, it’s almost a given that the patients treated, on average, were sicker than the patients not treated. This control group is basically meaningless. Actually, it’s worse than meaningless because it gives the false impression that it has been corrected in a way that it can be trusted.
Tony M says:
Question – The data included patients hospitalised between Dec 2019 and April 14, 2020. Most of the data comes from USA, Brazil, Australia, France, Spain, Italy and UK. I thought most, if not all, of these countries had restrictions on the use of these drugs to patients in clinical trials and/or compassionate use in severe cases. To the extent that doctors adhered to these restrictionsand administered these drugs to the more severe cases, wouldn’t you expect to see a relationship showing increased risk of mortality and/or ventilation?
You really should contact the Lancet and get registered as a reviewer, so that you can catch these things before the articles are published.
I’m here. And not enough already. Yes Zinc. Maybe that’s the tungsten missing from some dim bulbs out there. Zinc is the actual point here, right?
Consider this like a peer review. Many of your peers, although you spit on them with your contempt, are saying Your Results Are Not Valid because your tests do not include administering zinc with the Zinc Ionophor, and it’s intra-cellular zinc that has been shown to stop replication in vitro. Your “experiments” do not replicate the in vitro in vivo.
This is a Valid Argument.
According to the sermo surveys – which appear to be self-selecting, admittedly – about 11% of patients hospitalized with covid19 are being treated with Zinc. If it cured them in 4-5 days as Zelenko claimed then I think its safe to say we would have heard about it by now – from the patients, from their relieved relatives, from their doctors, from the hospital administrators, from the health ministers. Wow, they would be saying, this stuff is amazing. But they’re not.
Treatment after hospitalization is too late for Zelenko type results. This has been emphasized repeatedly and yet one hospital study after another comes out showing that HC isn’t effective.
Second, we are getting the reaction you speak of from doctors and patients around the world. I literally read them every day. You’re looking in the wrong place (i.e., hospitals or CNN).
HCQ has been given to hundreds of millions over decades. Over all that time there has been no study or report that concluded with a single fatality due to prescribed HCQ, other than overdose. Why all the sudden has HCQ taken on an evil Orange glow? Although I am also one of those whose least favorite color now is Orange, I am wondering if perhaps its the Orange chromatophobia should be studied. Since HCQ was like M&Ms before they got rebranded Orange.
Nooooooo, don’t say orange, it will set the Curcurminophiles chattering…
Because HCQ is hyped by quacks for very seriously ill patients, many of which end up with respiratory failure and pulmonary hypertension leading to cardiac failure. The combo with macrolide antibiotics exacerbates the QT prolongation problem even more.
Use of chloroquine and HCQ started as a reasonable hypotesis, which unfortunately did not pan out. In the meantime, the politicians in their typical wishful thinking latched on it as a hope because it is a very cheap drug with a manageable safety profile in patients that do not have heart condition. if it had worked, it would have been potentially useful as a preventive medicine. Except that there is not even a hint of efficacy, any multitude of evidence of harm in the coronavirus patients. And there are always idiots who hope that there must be something – something to stop the plague, who have no real understanding how drug development works. And then there are hucksters and charlatans and mountebanks. One of them even works in the Oval Office
If you have adequate potassium = very low chance of QT prolongation
Taking HCQ without a viral infection maybe a quite different context. We’ve learned that the SARS-2 virus potentiates clotting in the blood, so it could be HCQ would make the clotting worse. In other words, you need something else (the virus) to get the bad affect that kills people. If that is not there, no problem.
Yes, except:
Seems there is a bit of evidence that HCQ actually *reduces* clotting.
The dataset that the Lancet authors have is extremely rich – can we unpack it more and try to glean more information on patient cohorts that are especially prone to poor or good HCQ outcomes?
Again, this was a study in vitro with a purified system and not done with virally infected blood, and the references for a anti-thrombotic affect are presumably on otherwise healthy donors that did not have septicemia . Viral infection, and the blood septicemia that comes with it, may be be enough to change things.
MTK says:
It has not been given to anyone with COVID-19 until the last six months or so.
Is it not possible that COVID-19 is a contraincidaction for HCQ?
That’s the one thing I do not understand with the whole “it’s been used for RA and lupus for decades so it’s safe” argument. That is no guarantor that the drug will be safe for COVID-19, or other indications for that matter.
There are plenty of examples of drug-disease interactions which can increase the risk of otherwise “safe” drugs with certain patient populations
even I know of the phenomenon of a “drug-disease interaction.” a drug that’s safe and effective to treat one disease can be dangerous when tried for another.
Look at aspirin. taken daily by billions of people for all sorts of ailments, so it’s pretty damn safe. EXCEPT! don’t give it to a child who is suffering or recovering from a viral disease like the flu or chicken pox, else you risk causing Reye Syndrome.
and I know, I know, HCQ/zinc kills the virus in vitro. You know what else kills the virus in vitro? A blowtorch. But that doesn’t mean you should recommend setting people on fire as a cure.
https://xkcd.com/1217/
Also https://xkcd.com/882/ which is especially important when people start talking about finding subsets of the patient population where HCQ (or zinc or whatever) is statistically effective.
Vinu Arumugham says:
You hit the nail on the head. If you want to kill HCQ, you do studies that use overdoses.
If HCQ is so bad, why did the FDA approve it even for malaria?
Lupus patient take HCQ for life. They are not dropping dead in the streets.
With $43 billion corrupting the “medical scientific consensus”, you cannot trust them.
openpaymentsdata.cms.gov
Immunological mechanisms explaining the role of IgE, mast cells, histamine, elevating ferritin, IL-6, D-dimer, VEGF levels in COVID-19 and dengue, potential treatments such as mast cell stabilizers, antihistamines, Vitamin C, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin and azithromycin
May be HCQ is not great but with corrupted science, we will never know the real answer.
You are really reaching. Really.
HCQ isn’t *that* bad, except in large doses or within a particular patient subpopulation. Quinine is better than malaria, but that doesn’t make it great when it’s not helping anything.
Claims based around studies in a petri dish are interesting rather than convincing. They can point to places where it’s useful to look more deeply, and they’re relatively cheap to do. But don’t use them as an argument for how to treat patients.
FWIW, given current info I, and not medical professional, have decided to treat myself with a good quality multi-vitamin plus minerals pill every day, plus a weak vitamin D supplement. This is a bit dubious as it *could* lead to an overdose of vitamin D, but I occasionally forget, so perhaps it balances out. And I tend to spend all my time indoors and wear long sleeve shirts.
It’s plausible that low levels of zinc are a problem, though it hasn’t been shown. But high levels are also a problem. Similarly with vitamin D, though the evidence is a bit stronger. But for various quinine derivatives….if tonic water still contained quinine, I might switch my drinks to gin and tonic.
Mostapha Benhenda says:
The study is not reproducible, they didn’t publish their data. There is a lot of flexibility in the parameters.
D P says:
LOL, did you just look at a list of potential problems with studies and pick three without thinking? There is plenty of money and patients to support another study of this kind. They didn’t publish their data? 99% of studies don’t publish their data, doesn’t make any of that work false. They may still make it available. I suspect that the flexibility of parameters is something that can’t be avoided when working with a study that spans multiple countries and thousands of patients and was factored in to the analysis, thus not a critical flaw.
Assuming that zinc is effective against coronaviruses (and that still is an assumption that must be proven), what would make hydroxycholorquine/chloroquine better/safer/more effective than any other zinc ionophores?
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/05/13/Zinc-might-boost-effectiveness-of-malaria-drug-against-COVID-19-experts-say/2801589374701/
Several Articles are starting to make there rounds regarding doxycycline. Preliminary results and proposed clinical studies, some with chloroquine and derivatives, are discussed.
https://doi.org/10.1002/phar.2395
https://doi.org/10.3389/fmed.2020.00200
https://dx.doi.org/10.1016%2Fj.mehy.2020.109768
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.apsb.2020.02.008
https://preprints.aijr.org/index.php/ap/preprint/view/43
Many of these links are opinion based and/or computational, others are very small trials and should be taken with a “dead sea” worth of salt. Just something to keep an eye on.
This study adds nothing to the understanding of the primary hypothesis. The hypothesis is that a combo of HC+Az+Zinc given early (far before hospitalization) will lead to a significant improvement in survival. The best evidence for that hypothesis is that doctors worldwide, that follow a version of this protocol, have a case fatality rate of about 0.5% while the worldwide average is 6.5%. Countries worldwide that follow an HC protocol have a case fatality rate of 2.65% vs. 9.83% for negative control countries that don’t allow early treatment. Countries in the middle that use HC treatment on a case-by-case or doctor-by-doctor basis (like the U.S.) are generally in the middle of this range. In combo with in-vitro studies and tremendous correlational evidence for prophylactic efficacy (malaria countries/lupus patients/India police and healthcare) it is silly to downplay early HC treatment as if the late case, poorly controlled studies have addressed the question of interest (they have not). Links to source data . . .
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u7bETd3q9QVfO6y54jm_7Z5ZHTmoguUAetJHc2gwcj0/edit?usp=sharing
Oh yeah, they also forgot about zinc and the control group was younger and less sick with fewer comorbidities (which I would guess is a big part of the reason that they weren’t treated in the first place). You should be the one telling us all of the above, not the other way around.
Doubtful says:
Ah yes, the good old google doc source data. we can trust this 100% right?
Oh Look, twitter pages and Dr. Oz and non scientific news sites are all cited on this doc. Excellent. Can I post something on twitter and throw some fake data into the spreadsheet?
Your welcome to suggest a correction if you see something wrong. If a doctor publicly claims to have treated X number of patients with X deaths it gets added to the spreadsheet. The beauty of having sources listed is you can drop any sources you don’t like and see what it does to the conclusion. Here’s a challenge for you, try dropping enough sources to change the conclusion. To change the conclusion, you basically have to say that almost all of these docs are lying. Raoult is a liar, Zelenko is a liar, Stephen Smith is a liar, etc. That sounds highly implausible to me but it is possible that only successful docs are reporting results. I can’t find any doc IN THE WORLD who has treated 50+ patients using the HCZZ protocol early without above average success. If you can find this result, please pass it along.
BTW–if you want to be snarky, I’ll snark back just cause that’s what you deserve. If you want to try to solve a problem, I’ll work night and day to make that happen and add any data sources you can find that are publicly reported and potentially verifiable. Yes, even a twitter report that links to a newspaper article or pre-print or anything that looks like it would be a pain to fake.
Seebs says:
“The” primary hypothesis? I don’t recall “zinc” being mentioned in Raoult’s paper, only in Zelenko’s. So is it necessary, or not? If zinc is necessary, then why do we have a paper claiming to show such great effectiveness without it? Doesn’t that paper show that zinc ISN’T necessary?
It seems to me that “the” primary hypothesis is subject to rapid change; I’ve seen it claimed that HCQ (or HCQ plus something) is effective specifically for severe cases, or only for early cases, or only as a prophylactic, and each time one of them is shown not to have any clinically-reproducible results, there’s a response explaining that it only works in the other cases. But when those get studied, and the results are bad, the same thing happens.
It’s becoming increasingly difficult to believe that this is even being offered in good faith, at this point.
I first learned about the HCQ with zinc treatment indirectly through the following video which was posted on March 17th. I have not found an earlier reference on the internet for this idea as applied to COVID-19.
Dr. Zelenko started his protocol on March 18th. Did he get his idea from the video?
The HCQ treatment was started by China and/or South Korea at an earlier date and I don’t know the details on how this came about.
The idea of using zinc with an ionosphere to inhibit an RNA virus can be found in the following study from the year 2010. In this study the ionosphere is pyrithione and not HCQ.
Chloroquine was shown to be a ionsphere for cells in the body in the following study from the year 2014.
So it does seem there are two independent lines of theory around these treatments. Which one was first depends on how you look at it.
ionophore. It’s ionophore. If we can’t spellcheck our autocorrected text, what else can’t we check?
The pubmed link you cite here shows that the direct in vitro effect on the purified RNA-dependent RNA polymerase part of replication machinery that is at the core of the hypothesis only happens as concentrations approach the millimolar range, with >95% inhibition indicated at 6mM. The closer the experiments get to testing the hypothesis at the molecular level, the less compelling their data becomes.
In general, much of the data associated with this hypothesis appears to rely on concentrations of either zinc or HCQ that cannot be achieved, when dosed in people, at high enough levels to achieve their stated function.
“The idea of using zinc with an ionosphere to inhibit an RNA virus can be found in the following study from the year 2010. In this study the ionosphere is pyrithione and not HCQ. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21079686/ Chloroquine was shown to be a ionsphere for cells in the body in the following study from the year 2014. …”
Is anyone else getting flashbacks from the movie “Dinner with Schmucks”?
Thanks, as always for your cogent analysis, Derek. Elsewhere, someone said to me that the fix was in to which I replied that they essentially include everyone in a bunch of hospitals who was PCR-positive for COVID and started HCQ treatment within 48 hours of admission (so as not to bias the HCQ group with patients who were started later and potentially more seriously ill) and compared those people to all others who were admitted and not treated with HCQ, so “bias” would be really hard to achieve. This also means it was a trial with at most moderate symptoms, since they all started treatment within 48 hours of admission, so it’s not a case of HCQ doesn’t work in severely ill patients.
Been saying for 2 months that given the huge numbers being treated with HCQ, if this were a cure or even moderately effective, we’d absolutely know about it by now. Nope. This is the death knell for HCQ whether people like it or not. In fact, I’d go so far as to say we should probably stop any clinical trials using HCQ post-admission to a hospital, as we shouldn’t be subjecting anyone to roughly a 1.3-1.5X greater mortality rate (adjusted) treatment. I’d only continue HCQ trials pre-hospitalization at this point and grudgingly so.
How do you explain the dramatic difference in worldwide death rates between countries that embrace early HC treatment vs countries that don’t (under 3% vs 9+%)?
How do you explain the dramatic difference in case fatality rates for doctors using HC treatment early vs worldwide case fatality (0.5% vs 6.5%)?
How do you explain the dramatic difference in deaths per million in favor of countries that have a high prevalence of people taking HC for malaria?
How do you explain the dramatic difference in likelihood of getting COVID 19 between lupus patients (taking HC) vs everybody else? Non-lupus patients are 50x+ more likely to get COVID 19 vs lupus patients.
How do you explain why police in India that are taking HC prophylactically are less likely to die than police who are not taking it?
Say what you want about wanting you gold plated RCT (which I want too), but don’t say that there’s no evidence that early HC treatment works. Science is more than what you find in journals.
Stork says:
Last year we had many storks over here and many babies were born so good evidence that these babies were delivered by storks as we know already for ages
Christopher Andrus says:
You’re a fucking moron, Stork! Your mocking comparison dismisses legitimate findings. You are probably anti-HCQ because you hate President Trump. Well, that’s no basis for analyzing medical issues.
Really made a cogent argument there, I cannot be but persuaded by your depth of analysis and argument.
Somewhere in the Rest of the World says:
How do you explain HQ, other than a country being torn apart by a preventable situation desperately pointing at anything other than the actual problem. Years of anti-intellectual rhetoric have come home to roost. To the innocent, sorry.
Med(iocre) Chemist says:
People bring up the lupus thing like it’s the smoking gun and I just have to ask: where is this claim coming from? There are anecdotal reports, sure, but no studies that I can find that show SLE patients taking HCQ are immune to COVID and that SLE patients taking something else are not immune (since you would have to assume that people with lupus are going to be very risk-averse in these times).
Athaic says:
I think all your claims are fabrications or embellishments.
Or comparing apples to oranges.
“case fatality rates for doctors using HC treatment early vs worldwide case fatality”
Local vs worldwide. Sure, no way there could be other factors in play than HCQ.
Athaic,
Fabrications!? You’re a piece of shit to make accusations based on . . . nothing.
Sources linked. You can argue all you want about what the discrepancies mean or even whether the data from Worldometer, et al has any meaning, but “fabrications”? That seriously crosses a line.
Maybe I’m confused, but isn’t France one of the leading countries that pushed HC? Their deaths to positive cases is awful. If it’s so great why isn’t France flaunting the numbers? And didn’t they cancel the ‘HC for all’ mantra and switch it over to hospital use only???
(Not trying to be snarky – this doesn’t make sense to me.)
The question about France is a great question. France, was/is strongly split on HC, kind of like the U.S. I’ll copy a link below that sums it up nicely although you may have to translate the graphs (unless you know French). The bottom line is that the HC friendly (Raoult et al) part of France (Marseille) getting HC treatment has a 0.5% fatality rate compared to 21.6% nationwide. More testing in Marseille may explain some of that discrepancy (the denominator issue), but any thoughtful person looking at the numbers has to acknowledge that it’s a strong argument in favor of early HC treatment.
http://francesoir.fr/efficacite-des-mesures-un-point-de-vue-factuel-marseille-30-fois-moins-de-chance-de-mourir-du-covid
Note that more recently, the rest of France (not surprisingly) is becoming more HC friendly, so these numbers are about to get messier to interpret, but hopefully better for France overall.
The problem is it was reported HC prescriptions in Paris were very high. (I believe Forbes and Bloomberg). Paris’ look maybe better than average in France, but they are still terrible. A big problem is data access and accurate reporting. Is France actually reporting HC usage? It seemed to be the talk of the town, then it went silent. over 2 months since the original HC paper they used as justification, and no comprehensive retrospective. I don’t get that. The researchers usually want to share when they hit a home run – why hasn’t that lab published a follow up?
I think alot of eyes are on France. If HC isn’t good, they need to report that. If it is good, they need to report that. The bottom line is that group needs to report. It’s been way too long. The country went down the HC rabbit hole… let the world know the result. Many lives could be helped either way.
WST says:
Only minority of hospitals in France use HCQ and/or AZT, against official French health authorities recommendations. Some in Paris ( CHU de Garches) and south- east Marseilles, Nice etc.
The mortality at the IHU hospital in Marseilles is rather 2.6% (18 deaths and 692 hospitalized patients), while 3,308 were treated with HCQ.
IHU information is very interesting but not easy to find
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/covid-19/#link_acc-4-6-d
open this link, then click on the graphs (one page down) and clock on the right arrow.
All hospitals in Marseilles, all treatments, mortality 3,17% , 4882 patients, 155 deaths, still much better then the French hospitals’ lean of 7.6% …IHU did also 7800 ECGs.
I know it’s a lousy argument, but wouldn’t you like to be admitted to IHU if you ever had the bad luck with this virus ?
Italian, large scale statistics are very interesting, the active cases was still growing until roughly 20 April. But already ICU beds were freed up, roughly hundred a day since first week of April. Then hospital beds started to get freed-up even with active cases were still increasing or stabilised. HCQ was authorised for prescription by hospital doctors on 17/3. Standard treatment was 400mh HCQ a day, with addition of potassium and magnesium, QT limit for administering the treatment was 440 ms for men and 460 ms for women.
Patients with mild symptoms were treated and isolated at home thus the bulk of patients moved from hospital to homes.
Maybe there was some other magic at work that suddenly covid changed character.
Thanks Spencer and WST,
The problem is even given the rates from south France, there are states in the US with similar (or better rates). We are just conjecturing…. why isn’t there a systematic retrospective done by medical researchers. The rates across the US seem pretty diverse, given that diversity it feels like there are too many variables to stare at broad trends and try to infer something. Given the US President’s continued hype of the drug, I think medical folks in the US need some clear messaging regarding HC. Obviously other parts of the world would benefit from a clear report as well. Why hasn’t Raoult’s groups published something? It feels like eyes are on him right now.
Nada Nemo says:
Not terribly pertinent to this blog, but isn’t there a psychological analog for the financier’s “sunk cost fallacy,” wherein people keep spending good money after bad, because they don’t want to acknowledge that they made a bad decision and take their losses?
It seems that something like this is going on here. For some people, the bad decision wasn’t to support hydroxychloroquine, it was to support leaders who spout snake oil. For this latter group, vocally supporting a drug that is not only useless but potentially dangerous has become a loyalty marker for their membership in what’s an increasingly toxic relationship with their increasingly abusive leader. To do otherwise would be to admit that they made a colossal mistake in supporting that leader in the first place. Unfortunately, it may appear to them that continuing to be abused (and to be abusive in turn) is less painful than pulling out of the abusive relationship and detoxing from it.
Unfortunately, this is a problem of psychology and politics, so it’s not really something that we can address here, except to continue to point out that there’s no benefit from hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19, and hope this helps people realize that they don’t need to stay and keep being asked to abuse themselves to show their loyalty.
How do you explain this:
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/covid-19/
It has been increasingly obvious that the Marseilles data are not controlled and are, in fact, nearly uninterpretable. I have referred to these numbers several times in previous posts on hydroxychloroquine.
Ulrich Lingner says:
The problem is with the 18 deaths after 3 days of treatment. They simply exclude the patients that die or end in the ICU within the first 3 days. This is the case with the Gautret study – 6 patients from 20 excluded, one of which died, three landed in the ICU, and also with the withdrawn preprint from May 11, where 9 patients from 57 ended in the ICU or died and were removed from the study.
Hey! What about the successful study published May 1 in medRxiv. by Dr. Bo Yu? Also a retrospective look, where HCQ was used for another purpose with critical patients.
And the one published April 19 by Amit N. Patel, one of the signers of the Lancet study, about the success whit Ivermectin?
Your first reference is covered in this blog post, in detail: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/05/04/hydroxychloroquine-update-may-4
And the second one is in the blog post on Ivermectin, at the very end: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/05/11/whats-up-with-ivermectin
Anything else I can help you out with?
Another viewpoint is that there is potentially a good treatment (hydroxychloroquine and zinc) that has shown to be effective at saving lives but is being buried because of politics. Many want to say because hydroxychloroquine has been shown to not work that adding zinc to it won’t help. However they have not tried to understand the theory behind it and they ignore any studies on it. Why is this?
If someone can give me a scientific or evidenced based reason on why hydroxychloroquine with zinc does not work, I would be interested in hearing it. I would rather learn the truth than be on the winning side of an argument.
First: There are millions and millions of chemicals. If we’re spending time investigating this one, that comes directly out of time spent investigating others.
Second: The story changes constantly. The original claim didn’t include zinc. The new claim requires zinc. But if that’s the case, then the original claim was *completely fraudulent*, and that would leave us at “no actual reason to think this works”. So why should we be investigating it? If your story changes that fast, and contradicts the previous story, *none* of them are credible.
Third: On the scale of a trial this large, if HCQ+zinc worked, there would have been an observable effect because enough of the patients *were on zinc supplements for some other reason, already*. Or just taking it anyway. I know one of the things I took when I started feeling a bit under the weather had zinc in it. So if HCQ+zinc had an effect anywhere close to the scale you imagine, a plain HCQ trial would have shown a benefit in *some* patients and it would have been possible to drill down to find out why it was helping them. But it didn’t.
So, the question is: Do we have *any* actual coherent evidence suggesting that this combination works? No. But I know what will happen. If someone goes and does a large, randomized, controlled trial of HCQ+zinc, and shows no effect… You’ll be right back telling us that it’s something else. Maybe it needs to be given late, now. Maybe it should be given early. Maybe it’s only a prophylactic effect. Maybe it’s zinc plus… vitamin D! Wait, no. Vitamin B12. We haven’t tried *that* yet.
But you’ll never, ever, admit that it maybe just doesn’t actually work.
B12 is useful, and there’s a significant population that is low in B12. Of course, that’s not a claim that it’s useful against COVID, but it *is* useful. More elderly people have a harder time absorbing it from the diet, and many diets are low in B12 anyway.
Similar comments apply to Zinc. Except that too much Zinc damages the immune system. Whoops. (B12 seems to tolerate high doses a lot better.)
Yes, the reason to think HCQ might have worked in humans in a clinical setting is these early observations that suggested a strong effect. But strong signals are easy to confirm! In point of fact the early observations were seriously flawed. It stops being a case of the truth being “somewhere in the middle”; the studies in such a case have no evidentiary value.
(The analogy is if you have an eyewitness saying they saw me shoot someone, but it turns out I was in a different state, you don’t say “Well, sure that’s wrong but you must have been involved some other way! Eyewitness evidence is really convincing and they wouldn’t be completely wrong!” The relevance of this analogy to studies can in fact be described mathematically if you look into errors caused by low powered hypothesis testing.)
The pattern of only seeing an effect when you do small studies or proxy measurements is completely consistent with a bad hypothesis.
Attempting to save the hypothesis after you have this data on ~100k patients is at the point where you are keeping patients from both better treatments and potentially useful clinical trials.
I’d add that most people who’ve been doing this a while have probably had a point in our careers where we strongly believed an attractive hypothesis and early data, convinced ourselves to ignore the ambiguous follow up data then watched the treatment die in phase II or III. People doing armchair development haven’t experienced this and can’t understand how in vitro and some follow up clinical data could be so irrelevant so they grasp for other hypotheses like “Zinc!” or “You are all politically motivated!” This is just what happens to preliminary data in the field. It gets chewed up and spit out.
Great post. Just posted this elsewhere in response to someone who was saying that the observation that the control group had 7.7% intubated in the Lancet study vs. his number of ~20% intubated of those who enter hospitals, in general must have meant that the study was flawed, or worse, fraudulent. Below is my response.
There’s a simpler explanation: HCQ/CQ are dangerous and cause greater side effects (particularly much higher rates of ventricular arrhythmias) and mortality and combined with the very high HCQ/CQ treatment rate since late March (after the hype started), this is why the overall rates on vents in NYC/US (and likely everywhere) are greater than they would be if HCQ/CQ weren’t being used.
If we use NYC as a surrogate for the Lancet study (it has had the most patients and most of the patients in the Lancet study were from the US, meaning it’s very likely a sizable proportion came from NYC), then the percentage of hospitalized patients intubated is approximately 17% (22% to ICU and 79% of those on vents), as per the WebMD link.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200520/1-in-5-hospitalized-nyc-covid-patients-needed-icu#1
In addition, a decent estimate of the percentage of NYC hospitalized patients on HCQ/CQ is about 82%, based on the JAMA study in NYC, where out of 1438 randomly selected patients, 735 (51.1%) received HCQ/AZ, 271 (18.8%) received HCQ alone, 211 (14.7%) received AZ alone, and 221 (15.4%) received neither drug. So, if one takes out the AZ-only data, HCQ treated patients are 82% of the total.
However, it should be noted that the JAMA NYC study was conducted on patients who were hospitalized between 4/-9-4/27, which was probably the height of HCQ use, given Trump’s numerous statements hawking HCQ/AZ from around 3/20-4/15 and before many papers started coming out in mid/late April questioning the efficacy and safety of HCQ.
In comparison, the Lancet study had patients hospitalized from January through early April (with all patients discharged/dead by 4/21), meaning a much greater percentage were treated before the HCQ hype, so it’s not that surprising that this study had a much lower % on HCQ/CQ (but I wouldn’t have thought it would be only 15%, but that shouldn’t really matter).
If one assumes the Lancet study is “correct” that 20.6% of HCQ/CQ patients get intubated and 7.7% of non-HCQ/CQ patients get intubated and we use the JAMA study ratio of 82/18 HCQ+CQ to non-HCQ/CQ for NYC patients, in general, then we’d expect to see 18.3% of overall patients becoming intubated in NYC hospitals, assuming they all have 82/18 ratios of HCQ/CQ to non-HCQ/CQ patients in their hospitals, which is not far from the 17% intubated number in NYC from the WebMD data.
The point of this analysis is not to unequivocally say that the Lancet study is 100% perfectly correct – it’s to say that it’s plausible it’s generally correct, that HCQ/CQ offer no efficacy advantages and probably are truly associated with greater ventricular arrhythmia, intubation and death.
Last point: if the NYC HCQ/CQ treatment prevalence data of >80% is correct for the US and probably many other countries (didn’t look at Europe, but we know usage went up everywhere), or even if it’s just 50-60%, then without even doing any “studies” it’s not hard to conclude that HCQ/CQ offer no mortality reduction benefit, given that US case mortality rates steadily climbed from 2.9% as of 4/1 (when all deaths would likely have been from cases before HCQ use skyrocketed, given the 2-4 week delay from infection to death) to 5.8% as of 5/1.
Surely, if 40, 50, or even 80% of patients were now being treated with HCQ, if it offered a mortality benefit, we would not have seen the CFR double would we? This is what I’ve been saying all along and why I think you’re actually not seeing the big picture here. Have at your prophylaxis arguments, but I don’t think there’s any argument you’ll be able to make to make me think that HCQ/CQ is helping hospitalized patients – on the contrary, I think the Lancet and other publications have it right and we should stop using HCQ/CQ in all hospital settings, apart from ongoing clinical trials.
USE IT EARLY =IT WORKS!
blogreader01 says:
Per the “Fraud Guy” …
So, Donald John was always in it for the money? Is that what all your Bernie-Bro friends tell you? Oh but you forgot a key point; to wit, he was going to share his nefarious gain with Putin because Putin has dirt on him. (Which is why he’s constantly cutting Russia slack in each/every way he can.)
If it’s true, btw, that HCQ es no muy bueno (unless you need it to, e.g., treat your lupus) then here’s hoping The Donald is made aware of this fact. Wouldn’t want that (generally) glorious Trump Train leaving the tracks because HCQ made his ticker go wonky on him.
richard adams says:
Here is a study that claims HCQ with zinc helps some patients with advanced stages of the disease, in ICU and on ventilators. I haven’t read any study which disputed this.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1.full.pdf
Julie Aye says:
Perhaps it’s time to file this topic under the “How Not to Do It” section? Or would this lead to the eventual casting of doubt upon all those good, sound lessons over there? (now if that were to happen, I’d just lose all hope)
Yes. Enough already, sheesh!
Lets talk about this:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05/the-antiviral-remdesivir-shortens-covid-19-recovery-times-study-shows/
Petri Volk says:
I look at the data from the The Brigham Young study in The Lancet (above) and think more data needs to be shown. Specifically, the need for mechanical ventilation was more than double for HCQ/CQ patients compared to control. In clinical practice this should be noticeable not just because of the size of the difference, but also because the effect is counter to the one sought from the treatment (you treat wanting the number to go down) and should have given pause for medics to reduce the use of the treatment.
A major concern with these retrospective studies is that the treatments are more likely to be given to patients at more severe stages of the disease. Without controlling for severity at admission, the end point may simply reflect that that the treatment is more likely to be given to those with more severe symptoms – inverting apparent causality.
In the VA and NY studies, there is a clear different on severity at admission for the HCQ groups – for the VA study reflected in the lymphocyte counts. For the NY studies they made a statistical adjustment to try to adjust for differences in severity at admission. Unfortunately, the Brigham Young study is relatively light on detailed admission data – two generalist binary measures – and it is not clear how severity was treated otherwise.
In the meantime there are a series of positive studies also popping up in the literature but without the same PR fanfare (possibly because their not in the US):
Madrid – https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202005.0057/v2
UK analysis of Spanish data – DOI: 10.13140/RG.2.2.26151.37281
South Korea – https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.13.20094193v1
The world is crying out for some decent clinical studies on this. HCQ was identified as a potential treatment at the start of February – the same time as Remdesivir. Meanwhile Remdesivir trials are already publishing data.
@Kurt, regarding the genesis of what I’m starting to call the “3-pack” treatment for short (HCQ-Zpack-Zn) — a piece in the WaPo dates it to “March 16: Tesla CEO Elon Musk tweets a link to a March 13 paper suggesting that the anti-malarial drug chloroquine might be effective at treating covid-19.” That paper has been removed from google docs for violation of terms of service. On March 16 Musk also tweeted citing an article in Elsevier which has also been taken down, and in https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1239776019856461824 he says “Hydroxychloroquine probably better” and links to MedCram Coronavirus Pandemic Update 35 on Youtube. This clip shows a couple of scientific papers on the screen regarding HCQ and zinc:
Oxford Clinical Infectious Diseases “In Vitro Antiviral Activity and Projection of Optimized Dosing Design of Hydroxychloroquine for the Treatment of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa237/5801998 .
And “Zinc ionophore activity of quercetin and epigallocatechin-gallate: from Hepa 1-6 cells to a liposome model” , and “Quercetin as an Antiviral Agent Inhibits Influenza A (IAV) Entry”.
The episode concludes noting that for the zinc ionophore we have no RCT’s and it’s more important not to be zinc deficient than to try to increase zinc levels by supplementation.
A large RCT was done in 2008 in a study called “Serum Zinc and Pneumonia in Nursing Home Elderly: “Results: Compared with subjects with low zinc concentrations, subjects with normal final serum zinc concentrations had a lower incidence of pneumonia.”
Most posters here are trying to use the scientific method. We should not accuse those we disagree with of “religiosity” because they have different views. As human beings we all tend inevitably to use reasoning to support beliefs that appeal to us. That’s a limitation of human nature, but it can lead to constructive discussion.
@chiz who says “According to the sermo surveys– about 11% of patients hospitalized with covid19 are being treated with Zinc. If it cured them in 4-5 days as Zelenko claimed then I think its safe to say we would have heard about it by now.”
Couple problems there. Sermo doesn’t break out high dose zinc from minimum daily requirement dose like other supplements.
50 to 60% of respondents in Sermo surveys worldwide are giving HCQ. This mirrors the overall picture that high dose zinc is the forgotten leg of the triad.
Also Zelenko’s claimed success is that none of his patients had to be hospitalized, not that he cured them in a few days in hospital.
MAKE REMDESIVIR MORE AVAILABLE NOW!!!
http://statnews.com/2020/05/14/gilead-should-ditch-remdesivir-and-focus-on-its-simpler-safer-ancestor/
Klagenfurt says:
The truth may hurt, my friends, but I consider you clueless if you are older than your h-index.
Puli says:
“Early treatment in less severe patients only, in other words.” is not prophylaxis, which is an action taken to prevent disease. Asking a wrong question and addressing it with high-quality data multiple times, and disseminating it in Lancet will serve no purpose. ” Has Hydroxychloroquine been tested as a prophylactic treatment?” Political alignments in the US are blindfolding the Anit-Trump group. Many of the trials so far tested them in subjects already in hospital with reasonable severity of disease or have already acquired it. Just because Trump endorsed I t, it will not deserve a fair look. Seriously, political, social, and economic preference must not blindfold the unbiased scientific approach. Hoping to see HCQ tested in Prophylactic set up.
The US is not the only place existing in the world, you know.
But sure, we meanie Europeans and Asians are all out to get Trump.
Tell you that: my initial reaction to Trump’s announcement, two months ago, of a “game-changer” was “eh, credit the discoverer, you valor-stealing buffoon, it’s a French doctor who came with the idea”.
Given the French-bashing propensity of the GOP, that would have been smugly nice to have something to egg them in.
And then I went to check on this doctor and his studies. Oh boy was I disappointed.
I did find it interesting that the government of India is recommending use of HCQ as a post-exposure prophylaxis treatment for healthcare workers. They do cite some ‘anecdotal’ data without providing details.
https://main.icmr.nic.in/sites/default/files/upload_documents/V5_Revised_advisory_on_the_use_of_HCQ_SARS_CoV2_infection.pdf
Revised advisory on the use of Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) as prophylaxis for SARS-CoV-2 infection
The India advisory is dated May 22nd.
I keep checking David Boulware’s twitter feed for clues as to when his 2 apparently completed trials spearheaded by him at the Univ of Minnesota (early treatment and post-exposure prophylaxis with HCQ) will be published. Would think that it should be very soon now.
randomized hcq studies of any kind may impossible now if participants have entrenched pro or anti hcq feelings and refuse to be randomized to a group contrary to their beliefs . Open lable trials may be the only way to get large number of volunteers.
I have just two comments on the Lancet review (sory for my poor english)
– Patients in this review needed to be hospitalized , they then had to be in serious condition whatever is the origine (infection, arrythmia or else).
– Then what happened for the hundred of thousand more patients that did’nt even needed to be hospitalized ?? The review dont even mention them.
-What are the cause of the death in HCQ ou CQ patients arrythmia or infection or Cytokine storm?
-If the revieuwer statistically excluded the death rate directly in relation with arrythmia, what is the outcome for those who continued the the treatement unharmed compared to control ?. If they had a bad outcome than control groupe, can it be still explained by other confondant factors
Reading this paper can bring only one conclusion : HCQ Azithro CQ have to be monitored daily and that is all
Again : – What happened for the hundred of thousand more patients that did’nt even needed to be hospitalized ?? The review dont even mention them.
To summarise your main argument: What about those that were not hospitalised? In there words you are saying that you mean it should be used for prophylaxis. There is no RCT results (yet) to show whether or not prophylaxis with HCQ actually works, although there are a number running/being started.
“In there words you are saying that you mean it should be used for prophylaxis.”
Not this. Early treatment in ambulatory clinics.
Kon says:
Let’s recall a very brief history of CL/HCL as a possible cure for COVID which is important to clearly understand where we find ourselves now in our debates regarding possible effectiveness of CL/HCL
INITIALLY, there were not one but THREE DIFFERENT stories: (1) a ‘Chinese’ one (wide use of CL/HCL in the initial fight against the epidemic), (2) Dr. Raoult story – a French doctor who prescribed a combination of HCL and azithromycin, and, finally, (3) Dr. Zelenko story – a New York state doctor who claimed success in treating his patients with a mixture of HCL, azithromycin and zinc. All three hypotheses had some real, non-homeopathy type of science behind them.
However, it was Dr. Zelenko’s letter to Trump that ignited both the President and, as a result of the President relying on his bully pulpit megaphone, wide public interest in CL/HCL. Only after that we witnessed an explosion of political/public pressure that led to the initiation of various CL/HCL studies in the COVID context, including a launch of a number of RCTs.
We should be very clear what were the initial expectations and what emerged as a criteria for success, albeit not a clearly articulated one, for politicians in many countries (not only Trump) and world public in general – that CL/HCL, maybe not a magic bullet, but at least would provide us with a cure capable of producing SUBSTANTIALLY larger positive effect than the current one identified with the use of remdesivir.
It is important to emphasize that though in the end it will be, of course, up to the medical/scientific community to decide what works against COVID and what fails, the criteria for the success in the CL/HCL debates has been broadly defined by the uneducated public that does not have a clue about intricacies of biochemistry or statistical analysis. That’s the reality regardless of whether we like it or nor, whether we are ready to accept it or remain contemptuously snarky about it. (Incidentally, the ‘uneducated public’ includes, among others, legions of doctors with University degrees who rushed to order all available supplies of CL/HCL or write prescriptions based on pure hearsay or political leanings).
That’s how the forces seemed to be deployed on the CL/HCL battlefield 1,5 to 2 months ago.
So, who is winning?
If to judge upon the suggested criteria, the ‘Chinese hypothesis’ is headed for a defeat. Though the announced gold-standard RCTs are yet to be completed, various small and large observational studies (especially the last one recently published in the Lancet) indicate that the CL/HCL remedy, though maybe not a complete dud, will fall far short to be truly viewed as a deciding weapon against COVID.
One might think that the same fate awaits the Dr. Raoult hypothesis (HCL+azithromycin) since those observational studies surveyed the use of azithromycin as well. But, no, I think the evidence here is somewhat less clear because both Drs. Raoult and Zelenko stressed the need to introduce CL/HCL VERY EARLY, within a few days of onset of symptoms. As far as I know, there are no major studies that clear this threshold focusing specifically on whether an early treatment may be a game changer.
We do not know any details about the RCTs which are underway. But my gut feeling tells me that the early use factor will be also omitted from the established RCT protocols. And it is highly likely that these first RCTs will not consider a possible effect of adding zinc to the cocktail of HCL and azithromycin.
So my prognosis is that the fierce CL/HCL debates will linger on until either (a) the Drs. Raoult and Zelenko hypotheses are addressed directly and convincingly confirmed/buried, or (b) the scientific community will stumble, in the eyes of the general public, on some other ‘magic potion’.
So for Dr. Lowe, it is far from the last CL/HCL rodeo.
Perhaps one area of common ground in this polarized debate over HCQ+/- Zn is the need, as you highlighted, to do more research on early-stage treatments. I liked this op-ed on the subject:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/22/opinion/coronavirus-treatment-mild-symptoms.html
Perhaps we need to be doing more early-stage disease treatment research for a whole host of potential therapies…neither excluding HCQ/Zn nor putting a political thumb on the proverbial scale in favor of it when there are probably other agents or combinations of agents that are worthy of research in early stages of the disease as well. Whether or not HCQ effectively sucks the Zinc into the cell is not the only issue…is it also sucking all the Oxygen out of our way too limited investigation into early-stage treatments overall?!? I’d say let’s test a lot of potential early-stage treatments…wonder if more of those who test positive as outpatients could be quickly enrolled in trials somehow.
To RA:
The zinc ionophore hypothesis is not the only one proposed by which HCQ or CQ may inhibit coronavirus. There is also inhibition of viral entry and acidification of endosomes where the viruses hangout, causing their deactivation.
Thanks! I was mentioning that metaphorically in that sentence, but since you brought it up….If these other mechanisms are key, does that mean we should see some positive benefit in studies of HCQ/CQ without Zinc? Many seem to think (negative) studies are useless without the Zinc. But…if it is the Zinc ionophore mechanism that is determinative, then why is there comparatively little interest in Quercitin or any other Zinc ionophores out there? Is there some head to head data to suggest that HCQ/CQ are more ionophoric than Quercetin? Should we do a HCQ/Zn vs Quercitin/Zn vs placebo early stage treatment trial?!?
John Yoe says:
I like how this clown condemns HCQ with his great ‘interpretation’ of the Lancet study and then days later goes on to say the study is flawed but only after other researchers question the data integrity. If we cannot trust this clown to critically review content then what is he good for? Anyone can provide a synopsis. Only a real scientist can offer a good review and we do not have that here.
mn says:
People including this blogger are over interpreting the results. We don’t need your political bias especially when we are talking about science. HCQ alone and other derivatives are statistically not effective for the hospitalized patients in this non-randomized study. That’s it. But that does not conclude that HCQ with either different combination (zinc and etc) or under the various conditions (intervention timing, doses and the consistent categorization of the medical conditions/history of each patients) with large scale randomized control trials are not effective yet.
For zinc cocktail hypothesis and the earlier treatment (either as prophylactic or very early stage )studies, few with randomized controlled trials are currently undergoing. Until then, there is no need to rush to any conclusions and make fun of other hypothesis’ or being sarcastic because that is very unnecessary and even insulting to a scientific dignity. So stop being black and white and using these studies to justify your political stance/belief.
Even the authors of the Lancet paper noted ” The association of decreased survival with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine treatment regimens should be interpreted cautiously. Due to the observational study design, we cannot exclude the possibility of unmeasured confounding factors, although we have reassuringly noted consistency between the primary analysis and the propensity score matched analyses. Nevertheless, a cause-and-effect relationship between drug therapy and survival should not be inferred.” “We also did not establish if the association of increased risk of in-hospital death with use of the drug regimens is linked directly to their cardiovascular risk, nor did we conduct a drug dose-response analysis of the observed risks”
So yes it is good enough to say that HCQ is(may) not effective under the certain conditions, and yes it is still not enough to conclude that anything related to HCQ (+other combinations with modified intervention protocols) is done yet.
Roger Callaway says:
I know I’m out of my depth, that’s why I visit. Is the stance of Laboratory Life, Latour and Woolgar well known? They conclude that scientific investigations consist of pushing a hypothesis into the realm of fact by the application of laboratory work. This HCQ conjecture has not moved, and in fact the hypothesis seems not to have been clearly enunciated.
The Lancet article has problems.
1. Conflates early data with late data for a novel infectious disease. (Dec. thru April.) That is simply scientific malpractice. Iatrogenic factors dominate the early data. Even March data is suspect. Big oops.
2. Doesn’t account for zinc levels. Big oops.
3. The study suggests that giving HC leads to ventilation. That would be news to rheumatologists everywhere.
Now let’s look at Derek’s article.
Derek implies that the studies speak against ALL treatment with HC. However, the Lancet study specifically states that it does NOT apply to ambulatory clinic treatment. Because the time from symptom onset to treatment with HC was nine days at best in the Lancet article. Ruh roh, Raggy.
EARLY treatment. With Zinc. Show me the studies where that HC treatment protocol fails. It’s been advocated for months and used by docs for months so there’s lots of data, but for some reason, no one wants to study it. A retrospective study could put it to rest. Why hasn’t it been tested?
Daniel Vieira says:
There are another major problem, when excluding from the study patients that received chloroquine or it’s variants later on the course of the disease, they are selecting only success cases of many centers that included “chloroquine” on the protocols for severely ill patients. Just to illustrate, the mortality rate in the control group (9%) is way lower than the mortality rate for hospitalized patients in NY (about 30%) or in Spain (about 23%).
The Lancet article says that patients were tested, then treated with HC. In the hospital. Probably seven days after system onset. Add two days to get lab test results (best case and only for later cases…it took longer with earlier cases…maybe 7 days) + up to 48 hours for treatment…so the treatment after symptom onset could vary from 10-11 days for later cases to 15-16 days for earlier cases.
Another point. Look at how the study authors determined disease severity. They used qSOFA (which we now know is a poor indicator of covid mortality) and pO2 <94% (which is also a poor indicator because it's way too high). The data was cherry picked to overwhelm the HC data with barotrauma data. Patients were included who were ventilated prematurely. Early cases. Loaded with LOTS of early cases.
Lymphopenia would have been a much better indicator of disease severity.
Right, wrong, flawed, or rigorous it doesn’t seem to matter. The WHO has paused testing hydroxychloroquine in its Solidarity trial apparently on the basis of the Lancet article.
The game is rigged.
Recovery is proceeding despite WHO’s efforts. All of Asia except the Philippines is rejecting WHO’s suggestion. Even China. Imagine that!
WHO’s game seems to be politics, not science.
I agree we need better early-stage/outpatient treatment studies…but of a lot of different cocktails/approaches…perhaps retrospective to start, but clinical trials ultimately…let’s let good data be our guide.
But, I have to ask…why is it almost June and we don’t yet have early treatment HCQ/Zn data when the President is an active proponent of this protocol and there is apparently no shortage of people using it? He[‘s not shy about exercising his power….I would think he could have made a few large scale, decent quality studies happen by now…WITH ZINC! Done in the Zelenko way! I would think if he wanted a fair assessment of the hypothesis, he could have made it happen by now!!! Why hasn’t he?
I would argue that Trump, along with a large coterie of commentators on this blog , are only interested in positive results for their declared regimen. Sadly, science and clinical practice only advances by publishing AND TAKING NOTICE of negative results. If we are pushing regimens into ambulatory clinics (which in Europe folk are discouraged from attending as an infection risk) then the trials will have to have massive patient numbers to be sufficiently powered to show a +ve result. If we take 80% are going to resolve ‘naturally’ then we are showing a difference on the 20% progressing to hospitalisation. The variability of who will be hospitalised will also mean larger numbers. If this wasn’t a pandemic , pretty sure Pharma would be identifying the smallest patient cohort who are most at risk and giving them a drug pack as soon as they showed symptoms. Perhaps BAME diabetics without coronary complications over the age of 60…
Actually, clinical practice advances independent of science oftentimes. When scientific experts were giving bad advice early during this novel infectious disease epidemic, docs were having to observe their patients carefully and use their expert judgment about treating their patients. Science is of more value once a disease is well understood. The understanding occurs first among clinicians. At this point in the covid epidemic, I rate clinical expertise over scientific expertise.
Thanks! Agree that a potential early stage treatment has a higher bar to clear because most patients will recover with no intervention, so any potential harm to all of those folks needs to be balanced against the benefit for those who are would progress to severe disease. Which is why we need to do the research and I am puzzled that those who say that treatments will work at early stages are doing very little to actually promote early stage research…maybe it could be done via telehealth instead of clinic visits or in nursing homes where the logistics would be easier.
Maybe 80% will become infected without needing treatment, but giving an early regimen may reduce the need for hospitalization where the patient might otherwise not have survived. Early treatment is still potentially an advantage. So, no, we aren’t necessarily looking at the cohort progressing to hospitalization.
I have been actively searching for family physicians (GPs) who have tried Zelenko’s protocol but have quit using it because it didn’t work. I have yet to find a single one. But I am trying hard to disprove his protocol. I find docs who confirm Zelenko’s protocol, but none who disconfirm it. On occasion I find family physicians who quit using Zelenko’s protocol because a hospital pressured them, but none who did so voluntarily. So I’m not just looking for confirmation. If anyone can find family physicians who have tried Zelenko’s protocol and discontinued using it, please respond to this comment.
This is a very good point, but I suspect you will probably have great difficulty finding any, simply because most recover (thankfully!), so therefore whether or not it works, it will be almost impossible to show it in this manner.
I know from our comments that we have different views on this topic, but I really appreciate the way you are approaching this from a data-based approach (you are one of those trying to generate more light than heat! (-: ). But I really have difficulty seeing how a clear answer will come prior to RCTs using this protocol…
Dear Mr. idiot,
Even if 80% of covid patientsrecover, we can do statistical checks of data samples’ fatality rates based on average fatality rates for covid if the samples are large enough.
For example, if you do checks on Dr. Zelenko’s claims of 1450 patients treated with 6 hospitalizations and 2 deaths, the odds that his treatment isn’t better than a placebo are miniscule.
You can also check hospitalization rates of fam med docs’ patients with tx v. no tx.
Sometimes science can’t help. You have to rely on art (anecdotal evidence from clinical experts).
We rely on anecdotal evidence all the time. Sun rising in the east. Water being wet. Only sure things are death and taxes.
The data is strong enough for tx that there should be no prohibition of using the tx.
Again, I disagree… Not meaning to criticise any given researcher, but it has been shown time and time again that without randomised, double-blinded trials, biases will always creep in. And given that (thankfully!) most people recover, that makes the stats tough…
I would like to believe that it worked in the way that you believe it works, but we have nothing but anecdotal evidence. But anecodotal evidence is a good starting point for proper trials. Nothing more.
You say that we use anecdotal evidence all the time, and you talk about the sunrise and water being wet. We _know_ that the sun rises in the east, because we have _defined_ that to be the case, and have later backed it up with observational and mechanistic studies. This is not anecdotal, this is properly studied. We describe water as being “wet” because it wets many surfaces (this has been fully and properly studied). There are also surfaces that water does not wet effectively. There are many other solvents that either wet or otherwise surfaces. There are handbooks full of precise data on such matters.
When engineers/architects build bridges, do they say “let’s use this metal beam… it worked last time; this bridge is a bit longer, but it is probably fine”? No, of course not. They go to a database of data for the different materials to find out precisely how strong it needs to be, and from building regulations what appropriate safety factors should be. Not anecdotal evidence. If is seen that a particular part seems to be either stronger or weaker than expected, then this is anecdotal evidence which suggests that it should be examined methodically in detail…
Medicine should be the same… Anecdotes can be really excellent starting points, especially coming from experienced clinicians, but must be properly tested before accepted. History has shown this again and again.
I’ve been following Dr. David Boulware’s twitter feed, because he has completed both the his early treatment RCT as well as his post-exposure prophylaxis RCT using HCQ. AFAIK, zinc was not given as part of the protocol. Because the protocol demands a positive PCR prior to entry, probably the earliest patients were getting on the ‘early’ treatment protocol were 4 days after onset of symptoms. However, the post-exposure prophylaxis RCT, assuming that they have a sufficiently high event rate, should address the earliness of treatment issue.
In any case, in a tweet today, Dr. Boulware writes:
David Boulware, MD MPH
@boulware_dr
What did I do on my holiday Sunday? Did some great hiking on the #SuperiorHikingTrail overlooking Lake Superior… and spent 7 hours on manuscript revisions. All minor, but redrawing a supplemental Figure and reworking Appendix materials took some time to get right and get pretty”
The good news is, that the data are being written up. They should be available soon, as the needed manuscript revisions are described as ‘minor’ (although one never knows). The bad news is, that the time to posting on an on-line journal website is probably at least several weeks away.
If zinc IS important to symptom relief (and maybe viral clearance), then a RCT should at minimum test zinc levels.
Yes, that is good that more data is coming…I think he said in a twitter comment that 20% of the patients were on Zinc and it will be addressed. I am puzzled why there is no sense of urgency in releasing the results..especially if the requested revisions are minor and his current focus is on hiking and getting the paper “pretty!”
humblemathematician says:
I totally agree with your comments. This seems to me more classical research bias than shenanigans. All the anecdotal evidence for HxyC are either of very early stage cases or when used as prophylaxis. Yet, all the studies involve hospitalized patients. Mind boggling.
Later on you commented that all of Asia except the Phillipines are using HxyC. I know India is using it, because it is now officially part of their national recommendation in certain cases (the right cases, from what i can see). Do you have references regarding other countries in Asia?
Robert Clark says:
Humblemathematician, I posted some links in a comment today, May 31st, about Asian countries successfully using HCQ to treat COVID-19.
Two key facts: 1.)COVID-19 death rates are markedly lower in countries where antimalarial medications are in widespread use, either for malaria treatment or COVID-19 treatment.
2.)Asian countries, where there has not been this promulgation of anti-HCQ bias, have been much more open to prescribing HCQ even in early use, unlike Western countries who only give it late in severe disease condition, have markedly reduced death and hospitalization rates.
Latest video by Pr. Raoult:
with comments on the Lancet study.
https://youtu.be/DZFN3DryH68
He discusses the point that they now have done more than 10,000 EKGs in outpatients following the HCQ/Azithromycin regimen, and while he is not specific, the implication is, that there has been no problem.
See time marker at 4:50 (turn on CC, closed captioning)
He also does discuss zinc; apparently they found that plasma zinc levels correlate with disease severity.
See time marker at 3:00
He then makes a point about arrhythmic deaths. They have now “treated” (though it is not clear if all were treated with the HCQ/AZITHRO regimen, more than 3600 patients.
I personally believe that both the Lancet study could be true, as well as Raoult’s result with early treatment with HCQ being safe and probably efficacious.
In any event, one happy note is, that it appears that in Marseille, at least, the epidemic is largely over, with very few new cases popping up.
Somehow, I just don’t trust him. First of all, Raoult himself did not treat 3,600 patients. So… just who is it that treated 3,600 patients? Are there another dozen physicians who are part of this “study?” And what happened to all of them? And most importantly, did they treat 3,600 patients who were not really that sick from Covid19? Is he cherry picking those who are not critically ill and thereby getting “good results” because they would have fared just as well without the Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin. His 3,600 patients have not been submitted to a protocol, as far as I know. Did they sign consents? Is a publication in progress? Has it been peer reviewed? There is a lot missing here.
The IHU appears to be a pretty big place – sort of a combination outpatient and inpatient hospital as well as a research center.
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/en/institute/missions-and-aims/
They don’t list their staff, but on one of the videos, Dr. Raoult is shown with about 10-12 medical colleagues, many of whom appear to be research associates. The IHU budget is several million euros per year.
Here is their report on treating approximately 1061 patients (abstract released on April 9th). They did not treat all comers.
You can see the flow chart of the excluded patients here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199729/figure/fig1/
Raoult has been against doing an RCT on his patients — his point is, that the treatment is quite safe, there is in vitro evidence of its anti-viral activity in vitro, and so an RCT would not be something that he would feel comfortable doing. The IHU is primarily a treatment and educational center. They are extensively involved in research, but not, AFAIK, in doing randomized trials.
The argument remains, that perhaps the patients would have done as well or better, without the prescribed treatment.
I analyzed the study and compared it to a couple of other similar published studies, which show that there was no effect of HCQ on the patients, no positive nor negative. Where the Mehra study is showing more than doubling of mortality in HCQ group. The Mehra study appears to have flaw in the way propensity score matching with too little variables. I discuss it in the link, bellow, what do you guys think?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRJxr01VKOdUDSgXfGks6TMnhOF4csQ1sYhmlVGLpandXrhCi6nNV6Ig7wrBNcdril4izIGmpASAGuD/pub
Becoming more skeptical about the Lancet report re arrhythmia incidence:
On more careful reading, I am getting a bit less impressed with the arrhythmia part of the Lancet observational dataset.
1) They define arrhythmia as EITHER nonsustained or sustained ventricular tachycardia.
Sounds bad, yes? But, they never separate out their results into nonsustained vs. sustained tachycardia.
What, exactly, is the definition for nonsustained ventricular tachycardia?
“Nonsustained ventricular tachycardia (NSVT), defined as three or more consecutive ventricular beats at a rate of greater than 100 beats/min with a duration of less than 30 seconds (waveform 1), is a relatively common clinical problem” [1]
1. ACC/AHA Task Force. Circulation 2006; 114:2534.
Now if you look at the incidence rate in the Lancet paper:
Compared with the control group (0·3%), hydroxychloroquine (6·1%; 2·369, 1·935–2·900), hydroxychloroquine with a macrolide (8·1%; 5·106, 4·106–5·983),
chloroquine (4·3%; 3·561, 2·760–4·596), and chloroquine with a macrolide (6·5%; 4·011, 3·344–4·812) were independently associated with an increased risk of de-novo ventricular arrhythmia during hospitalisation.
In these very sick patients, I find that an incidence of nonsustained V-tach in the control group of only 0.3% is EXTRAORDINARILY low.
The most likely explanation is the old adage in medicine: “You find what you look for”.
In the Lancet paper, it is not at all clear how the prevalence of NSVT (non-sustained V-tach) was determined.
“The secondary outcome of interest was the association
between these treatment regimens and the occurrence of
clinically significant ventricular arrhythmias (defined as
the first occurrence of a non-sustained [at least 6 sec] or
sustained ventricular tachycardia or ventricular fibrillation)
during hospitalisation.”
But it is not at all clear how this arrhythmia data was collected or looked for. Believe me, in ICU patients, or patients on ventilators, all sorts of transient ventricular arrhythmias happen, and not merely 0.3% over the entire course of their hospitalization or over a several day follow-up.
It is entirely possible that the treating physicians were monitoring or tracking ECGs to a much greater extent in the patients being given HCQ or CQ and/or a macrolide.
Also, I suspect that the incidence of sustained V-tach in all groups was much lower, and not statistically different. This is an important piece of missing data.
Sorry for being persistent: In observational studies there are two types of important bias. SELECTION BIAS, which we all know about. And in the Lancet study, the big unresolved question is: Did the docs treat the more severe cases with the novel meds? However, also important is ASCERTAINMENT BIAS. Namely, it is likely that the outcome variable that you’re interested in was measure more frequently, or differently, in the group at interest vs. controls?
Now, the authors give absolutely no info in terms of how NSVT (non-sustained V tach) in their study was measured. In hospitalized patients, esp. those in ICU, one normally does not routinely order paper ECGs, as the patients are on monitors. However, if one is worried about prolongation of the QT interval, for example, in a given patient, one will order a paper ECG, and given thatn NSVT is fairly common, this would lead to a certain incidence of NSVT that would not show up in controls, if the amount of paper ECGs ordered in the control group is less. To me, this would explain the low incidence (0.3%) of NSVT in the controls (I think it’s a serious underestimate).
The prevalence of NSVT depends entirely on how the ECG trace is analyzed, and will, of course, be much higher with 24-hour ECG monitoring as opposed to a standard rhythm strip. Unfortunately, the Lancet study presents absolutely no information as to how this key secondary outcome was measured.
PP says:
There are a number of awry aspects in the Lancet paper.
1) An observational study on nearly 100,000 cases in 671 hospitals,
signed not by a multicentric team by just 4 authors.
2) No acknowledgemnt of any sort at the end of the paper (funding, sources, insititutions,
nothing!)
3) Data acquisition came through a “cloud-based health-care
data analytics platform” provided by Surgisphere a company who’s CEO
is the second author of the paper.
4) No data on dosage of regimens were reported, while (high) dosage is critical
for the HCQ antiviral obsrved effect in vitro.
5) “within 48 hours of diagnosis” does not necessarily imply that the
initial conditions were uniformely less severe
6) The mortality rate of the 96000 (17%!) is far too high for the whole
sample (median age 54.3) and especially of non survivors whose
*median* age was only 60. From official data sources, the mortality ratio
at 60 is in the range 2 and 3.5% in China, Italy, Spain and Soth Corea.
There are more rumblings about the paper on Andrew Gelman’s blog:
https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/05/24/doubts-about-that-article-claiming-that-hydroxychloroquine-chloroquine-is-killing-people/
https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/05/25/hydroxychloroquine-update/
https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/05/25/this-controversial-hydroxychloroquine-paper-whats-lancet-gonna-do-about-it/
This is the same blog that disputed the Stanford studies of Santa Clara seroprevalence (in that case arguing that their computed infection fatality rate was inappropriately low).
PP: 1) The paper is by the team that pulled the data and analyzed it. It’s common practice for papers from registries and databases to not list the people who enter the data (use the registry). 2) Acknowledgement is clearly stated (look for “This study was supported by …”) at the end of the paper, ahead of the references section, where it belongs. Also stated was conflict of interest information. 3) The information came from a database tool developed by one of the authors. Tool development effort is why that person was one of the authors. Seems pretty obvious, no? 4) Dose regimens of HCQ and CQ were clearly stated in text (“The mean daily dose and duration of the various drug regimens were as follows…”) 5) Initial conditions were assessed for severity, which was incorporated as a covariate in the analysis. 6) The mortality rate is not “far too high” considering the study population was drawn from people who were all hospitalized.
I dont have any opinion about those thousand of patients who took HCQ at home and tolerated the treatement , upon the shared opinion of many profesionnals working in “real life” HCQ beleive it works .
All what I say is that Lancet in this review is biased because the cohort in the treated groupe had been admited to hospital for a reason that we ignore (they are not starting from zero)If those reasons have to do with their treatement, then they start with a “statistical” handicap (they are not a sufficiently neutral cohort in the starting block évoluting to one direction or onother).
Maybe many patients of the treated patient did not tolerate their treatement and that is the reason for hospitalisation and thats why ( maybe also ) that they are over represented in the treated groupe.
It would have been better to observe what happens in outpatients , in the général population (not in hospitals).
This Lancet review does not reflect “real life” as pretended by the author.
As for the quality of trials and reviews it all depend their design. Even the best RCT have their own weaknesses
In this case, Its like looking at the whole picture trough a microscope
donorcure says:
The potential misuse of hydroxychloroquine during the COVID-19 pandemic poses serious risks to patients with lupus who are socioeconomically vulnerable. Pharmacy shortages could lead to a black market for the drug, rendering it unaffordable for many patients with lupus.
Today published result of a research in Brazil. Breves, in the state of Para, population 100.000, already infected 24%. For now, 53 died from covid-19, about 0,22%. The region, on the Marajo Island, has highest incidence of malaria in Brazil and people probably make prophylactic use of chloroquine. This would eventually favor the prophylactic use of this drugs, maybe only people without cardiovascular issues.
https://noticias.uol.com.br/saude/ultimas-noticias/redacao/2020/05/25/maiores-cidades-tem-7-vezes-mais-infectados-do-que-dado-oficial-diz-estudo.htm
http://breves.pa.gov.br/boletim-epidemiologico-covid-19-25-05-2020/
The Brazil study OVERDOSED it’s patients.
The dosage of HydroxyChloroquine is the key to side effects, it’s only at an extremely high dosage that side effects become evident, not at the dosages used for Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis, and will be given to the CHINESE VIRUS patients.
Lupus and Rheumatoid Arthritis patients have to take the HydroxyChloroquine for years, for the CHINESE VIRUS, dosing will be at the same daily level, but for 6-10 days only !
Some light youtube entertainment.
May offend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsKDO-r5STc
Ok, so here you are taking a drug that has been studied as an antiviral for decades and throwing it out it out the door before proper double blinded studies have been done. Most of the new studies were retrospective. Just google it, and moreover there are a ton of doctors that question these studies. Again, just google it. I dont know how many ” cures ” pharma has concocted and they later turned out to be wasted money. The only difference this time…..” orange man bad”!!.
Anyway the Lancet review does not represent the whole picture (patients that did not experience side effects). It represent only those patiients sick enough to needed be admitted to hospital.
Most other alternatives have their oun side effects not to mention their hyge price
The only lesson from this publication here is that HCL Azithro has to be correctly monitored (specially in severe cases since COVID19 can cause cardiac damage)
Edward R says:
India seems to be seeing positive results when HCQ is used as a prophelactic by healthcare workers
https://theprint.in/health/hcq-breakthrough-icmr-finds-its-effective-in-preventing-coronavirus-expands-its-use/427583/
India also seems to be doing quite a bit of business exporting hydroxychloroquine to other countries, reversing earlier decisions to keep it all for 1.2 billion of themselves!!!
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/narendra-modi-jair-bolsonaro-donald-trump-hcq-coronavirus-6355700/
Modi, Trump, Bolsanaro…all pushing hydroxychloroquine, all far right wingers who like to oppress minorities, all in countries with bad outbreaks, and apparently all collaborating on hydroxychloroquine!
Coincidence or connection?!?!?
Yes that’s not entirely beyond the realm of possibility RA. Money owns politicians after all and with all that excess HCQ capacity India has thanks to Fauci and the WHO impacting their sales you never know.
If on the other hand HCQ is proven effective then the CDC, FDA and WHO are toast and the lawyers will descend like a plague of locusts on the rest of the medical establishment.
Time to put on my N-95 and head to the store for some popcorn. This will be epic!
The Lancet study does leave some questions, but, IMO, they’re only about whether the conclusion of greater mortality with HCQ/CQ (with or w/o macrolide) treatment is statistically valid or not. It would require a huge, huge change in the outcomes from this study to find any HCQ/CQ efficacy in hospitalized patients, which is consistent with the NEJoM, JAMA and many other studies. And that, to me is the bigger point and I think we can take that one step further.
A good estimate of the percentage of NYC hospitalized patients on HCQ for the worst part of the outbreak is probably somewhere between 60-80%. The JAMA study in NYC had 82% of 1438 randomly selected patients treated with HCQ or HCQ/AZ (not including the AZ only patients), whereas the New England Journal of Medicine study had 59% of 1376 consecutive patients (1446, actually, but some were excluded) treated with HCQ. The JAMA study enrolled from 4/9-4/27, which was probably at the height of the HCQ treatment frenzy, while the NEJoM study enrolled from 3/7-4/8, which probably explains why it had a lesser % of patients on HCQ (the media frenzy on HCQ started around 3/20).
If we assume the NYC HCQ/CQ treatment prevalence data of 60-80% is correct for NY and the US (and probably many other countries) then without even doing any “studies” it’s not hard to conclude that HCQ/CQ offer no mortality reduction benefit, given that US case fatality rates steadily climbed from 2.9% as of 4/1 (when all deaths would likely have been from cases before HCQ use skyrocketed, given the 2-3 week delay from infection to death) to 5.8% as of 5/1, while the NY rate went from 3.9% CFR to 7.8% (no surprise, given NY had 30-40% of the US deaths). Surely, if 50, 60 or even 80% of patients were being treated with HCQ, if it offered a mortality benefit, would we have seen the CFR double? I would think not, but then again, to kind of paraphrase Doctor McCoy, I’m an engineer not a doctor, dammit.
The data on treatment of mildly symptomatic patients with HCQ is going to be even more variable, IMO, since the vast majority of mildly symptomatic patients get better without treatment, so these will need to be large trials to provide the statistical power to discern any benefit (unless it’s large). And prophylaxis? With 80% of he population only getting mild symptoms or no symptoms at all, good luck with that. But at least some of the trials coming out are controlled/random/blinded.
We are never going to settle this without randomized, controlled trials. Think of the years and years it took to settle the tobacco debate, where RCTs aren’t possible. And there you had a very large effect, dose/response, an easily understood mechanism and consistent observational studies all over the world. I hope the trials report soon; let’s hope they are unambiguous.
Firte says:
I am genuinely confused. Allegedly the death rate in Marseille is one fifth of Paris and even lower in prof Raoults hospital yet. Anti hcq people do not address this and prof R and his supporters don’t write a paper showing this. http://www.francesoir.fr/sites/francesoir/files/20200516_fs_comparaison_taux_de_mortalite.jpg
It really wasn’t early treatment despite what was said in the paper for reasons explained here:
https://twitter.com/jamestodaromd/status/1263891253965590529?s=21
Also, the cases in the Lancet article were those diagnosed from Dec. 2019 to mid-April. During this earlier time, it took several days to get test results back sometimes as much as a week:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/28/822869504/why-it-takes-so-long-to-get-most-covid-19-test-results
So for most cases in the Lancet study the actual time between symptom onset to treatment was likely greater than two weeks.
A major problem with the study was identified here:
Hydroxychloroquine: When medical science starts to look like political science
https://drquay.com/hydroxychloroquine-political-science/
There were more than twice as many patients on ventilators among the HCQ group compared to the non-HCQ group. The key question then is this: was the HCQ the cause of the increased ventilator usage or were the authors adjustments to the data insufficient to compensate for the fact the HCQ patients were sicker to begin with.
I’m inclined to believe the latter because while HCQ is known for causing heart problems it is not known for causing breathing problems.
Miguel MZ says:
So happy to read you and your fine analysis. Feel less lonely.
This is an infox also called fake news. Biased over-interpretation. What the article should conclude from the data analyzed is that HCQ (with our without other) treatment is not useful for severe/advanced Covid cases and that HCQ should not be prescribed to people with certain cardiac symptoms. All this has been known for a long time, nothing new on the horizon. In “outcomes” of the article, look at the number of patients who have reached the “Mechanical ventilation” stage. The groups with HCQ have higher percentages, except that this treatment has no side effects that could lead to a need for “mechanical ventilation” the covid yes. It can be deduced from this that the patients in the HCQ groups were patients in a much more serious condition than the control group. Conclusion biased analysis. Here is the opinion of some experts in the field on this study (sorry in french but could be translated easely): https://stopcovid19.today/2020/05/23/lancet-publication-mehra-et-al-sur-lhydroxychloroquinechercher-lerreur-les-erreurs/?fbclid=IwAR1L0UyR2xg2AF4Igq5gmC-KC8q0x8dmJ-q82Qud4zdpp5ze7bsfNaWRrcA
Here is the translation of the link :
Study on 96032 medical files from 671 hospitals on 6 continents.
Patients hospitalised between 20/12/19 and 14/04/20 – Publication on 21/05/20 – 4 authors signatories Hats off! A record of efficiency for data collection, translation of the different foreign languages including Asian + statistical analysis + writing article + reviewing + publication!
At the very least, a publication at 50 million euros. Who financed it?
And we pass over the links of interest declared by the authors with the pharmaceutical industry (see page 9).
-HOSPITALIZED PATIENTS, AT SERIOUS STATE OF THE DISEASE
-PATIENTS FOLLOWED IN COUNTRIES WITH DIFFERENT THERAPEUTIC ATTITUDES
-FLOW INCLUSION CRITERIA e.g. coprescriptions of antivirals in 40% of cases, with no information on their distribution in the groups analysed.
-IMPRECISIONS ON ANALYSIS TREATMENTS: These are called macrolides. Impossible to know WHO RECEIVED AZITHROMYCIN
-PATIENTS WITH COMORBIDITIES that do not make a representative population (e.g. 1 in 3 patients with hypertension in the hydroxychloroquine + macrolide group).
-NON COMPARABLE GROUPS: ex HCQ* group + more severe macrolide with 20% mechanical ventilation versus 7.7% of patients in the “control” group, idem on SaO2 parameter ˂ 94
While it says “No significant between-group differences were found among baseline characteristics or comorbidities. “Foot note” in Table 2 is surprising: “Age and BMI are continuous variables.
“The 95% CIs have not been adjusted for multiple testing and should not be used to infer definitive effects.”
-UNSPECIFIED DOSES AND TREATMENT TIMES
-THE RESULTS EXPRESSED ON AVERAGE, WE WOULD ALSO HAVE LIKED MEDIANS AND RANGES.
-NO INFORMATION ON MISSING VALUES ” ” multiple imputation for missing values was not possible ” ” it was assumed that the characteristic was not present ” – it is obvious that missing values have to be relied on a multi-country multi-centre analysis with varying care
-NO ANALYSIS OF GROUPS ACCORDING TO ASSOCIATED TREATMENTS OR CARDIO RISKS
-NO CHEST CT SCAN TO LOOK FOR THE CARDIAC DAMAGE OF THE VIRUS WHICH IS FREQUENT FOR A CORRECT ANALYSIS OF WHAT IS CALLED AN UNDESIRABLE EVENT
-NO QT INTERVAL MEASUREMENT AND NO PEAK TWIST SEARCH !!!
-A PRESCRIPTION SOLD AS PRECOCE (less than 48 hours after hospitalization) WHICH OCCULATES THE DATE OF THE FIRST SYMPTOMS AND WISHES TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE IN AN EARLY PRESCRIPTION!
and the list goes on and on… But was the Reading Committee taking a nap ????
Enough of such misinformation! Who’d better make believe that Hydroxychloroquine is ineffective
and dangerous when properly prescribed?
One main dilemma is what motivated of being hospitalised. How bad where they clinically upon admission, What was the delay time between onset of symptoms and starting of the protocols
All in all those patients cant represent the real world treated majority that did not need hospitalization.
As for RCT I have read hundreds of them and in most of them the conclusions are rarely franc (like: “yes we can see some improvement but the results have to be verified” ) One known problem with RCT is a usually poor external validity (the patients selected do not resemble to those in real life). Its much demanding in term of resources etc and hard to conduct in full pandemic
Hope that I am wrong this time but I am sceptical concerning RCT
A good observational study might be less precise but can make more sense especially an emergency RCT in a stressful atmosphere of a pandemic.
Raoult believe that HCQ-Azithro works , he says that there is a presumption of efficacy in vitro and in his own research Center in Marseille and to a very large extent. He is also saying that the patients tolerated his combination (hundreds of ECG)
He thinks that it is unethical just to send back people home telling them to wait until the first signs of suffocation and that it is a duty for a doctor in such an emergency to use available medication event without full trials to try to help them and I believe that this position is difficult to criticize.
Interesting 46 min. interview with Pr. Raoult by André Bercoff from May 27th, where Raoult comments on some potential shortcomings of this Lancet paper, plus comments about other issues in peer reviewed articles in the field.
Unfortunately, closed captioning is not available, so you need to understand French.
https://youtu.be/XMXvVdTefRc
It appears that the French government has used the results of the Lancet study to ban use of HCQ, even in an outpatient setting (not sure about this). This shows how politicized this issue has become. I don’t think that government bureaucrats are equipped to critically judge scientific articles, and such jumping the gun is not a good thing, IMO.
John — you write that “This shows how politicized this issue has become.” It shows no such thing. The issue has been “politicized” in the U.S. mainly by a subset of American politicians and their followers, and not by health care professionals. Further, the “government bureaucrats” you refer to are the French health ministry. They have a responsibility to evaluate incoming health data and make recommendations for France. That would be their job. They appear to be doing it based on the data they have available to them at this time. For them to simply ignore the Lancet article might be considered irresponsible. As to whether it has been “politicized” in France, I will leave that up to any French correspondents who frequent this site. I am not French, so can’t comment on that.
Prof Raoult’s latest paper,
By testing 101,522 samples by polymerase chain reaction (PCR) from 65,993 individuals, we diagnosed 6,836 patients (10.4%), including 3,737 included in our cohort. The mean age was 45 (sd 17) years, 45% were male, and the fatality rate was 0.9%. We performed 2,065 low-dose computed tomography (CT) scans highlighting lung lesions in 581 of the 933 (62%) patients with minimal clinical symptoms (NEWS score = 0). A discrepancy between spontaneous dyspnoea, hypoxemia and lung lesions was observed. Clinical factors (age, comorbidities, NEWS-2 score), biological factors (lymphopenia; eosinopenia; decrease in blood zinc; and increase in D-dimers, lactate dehydrogenase (LDH), creatinine phosphokinase (CPK), and c-reactive protein (CRP)) and moderate and severe lesions detected in low-dose CT scans were associated with poor clinical outcome. Treatment with HCQ-AZ was associated with a decreased risk of transfer to the ICU or death (HR 0.19 0.12-0.29), decreased risk of hospitalization ≥10 days (odds ratios 95% CI 0.37 0.26-0.51) and shorter duration of viral shedding (time to negative PCR: HR 1.27 1.16-1.39). QTc prolongation (>60 ms) was observed in 25 patients (0.67%) leading to the cessation of treatment in 3 cases. No cases of torsade de pointe or sudden death were observed.
Early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment with at least 3 days of HCQ-AZ result in a significantly better clinical outcome and contagiosity in patients with COVID-19 than other treatments. Long-term follow-up to screen for fibrosis will be the next challenge in the management of COVID-19.
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/early-diagnosis-and-management-of-covid-19-patients-a-real-life-cohort-study-of-3737-patients-marseille-france/
About the Raoult video John, youtube offers automatic captioning. Perhaps that option wasn’t visible because you were looking at the mobile version.
Open up a browser window on your computer, tablet, or cell phone and paste in the address bar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1toAVH8A01U
On a mobile device you may have to tell it to do a desktop version to see all the options.
There should be an icon “cc” visible beneath the video window. You can turn captioning on and off there. To the right of that icon there is the usual gear sprocket icon indicating settings. Select that and you can also choose an auto translated language such as English.
Unfortunately when I tried the auto translate to English it was pretty poor. I don’t speak French so I can’t tell if the autocaptioning in French is any better.
You can also do a transcript of the video. At the end of that line beneath the video window that has the thumbs up and thumbs down voting icons, there is the usual horizontal three dots icon that brings up a menu. You can select there to show a transcript of the captioning. If you selected auto translate to English that will be the language the transcript is in. As I said though the translation is pretty poor.
You can drag over the transcript to copy and paste the transcript text to save it. It might be if you copy the French transcript and copy that into a google or other computer translator you can get a better translation to English.
Here is the question for the people who hate the use of hydroxychloroquine and Zinc with or without Azithromycin.
You elderly mother or father gets infected with Sars COV2.
We have zero treatments as of today.
First day of symptoms of – fever – lose of taste and smell and cough.
They wait and get tested as the symptoms worsen and the results come back positive – now they are having difficulty breathing and body aches.
All of you that are researching the hell out this, what advise do you have for your parent who is now struggling to move and breath.
Do you let the hospital treat them? The hospital said we will not give HCQ and Zinc as treatment because there is no evidence , what we can do is give provide supportive measures and ventilators if needed.
So far from all we know , I can only come to one conclusion . Go to a doctor brave enough to prescribe HCQ and give it with Zinc. This is all you need you are not treating the world , its one pt at a time – if there is no options why the such a heavy push back against something that could work in theory or anecdotally.
If you do not decide to use HQC and Zinc with or with out Azithromycin, what are all you people against this treatment going to do what options can you offer with all this researching you do?
I would = Treat it as early as possible with HQC and zinc and K+( to reduce QT prolongation).
Make a Iodine nasal spray. Povidone Iodine 1ml in 30 ml of Saline Nasal spray.
Take Vit C 1000mg 4 to 6 times a day
Take Vit D3 6000iu per day with Vit K2 100mg ( M7&M4)
Take SOD ( Super oxide dismutase)
Take Glutathione
Take a multivitamin- to get other minerals and vits
You anti-HQC crowd make this too complicated – there is no treatment so use it if need – if a better treatment come along use the better newer treatment but until then will you let your parents take the chance of dying without any treatment.
HQC=HCQ
You know there is no evidence for those vitamin overloads, right? None. Maybe look up one word. Homeostasis. But you do you. And if they still die, when you might have got them remdesivir?
YOU KNOW YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TAKING ABOUT. I AM NOT HERE TO SPOON FEED YOU , GO DO SOME REAL RESEARCH AND YOU FIND AN ANSWER TO WASH AWAY YOUR IGNORANCE.
Let give you a 1/2 tsp
Plasma vitamin C concentrations and risk of incident respiratory diseases and mortality in the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer-Norfolk population-based cohort study
Just curious: did you read the conclusion? The used vitamin C not as an absolute number, but as a marker for fruit and vegetable consumption. In other words, people who ate healthier (by this measure) had a better HR…
It was a 1/2 tsp worth.
High-Dose IV Vitamin C on ARDS by COVID-19: A Possible Low-Cost Ally With a Wide Margin of Safety
https://www.physiciansweekly.com/high-dose-iv-vitamin-c-on-ards-by-covid-19-a-possible-low-cost-ally-with-a-wide-margin-of-safety/
@drsnowboard. person deficient and a person with optimal nutrition ( with supplementation) will both be in homeostasis. The idea of homeostasis is a very narrow insight , we are born we are homeostasis and at old age we are in homeostasis but bigger picture lot has changes. When we age our levels of lots of chemicals we need are produced at a lower level even if the intake is sustained yet we are in homeostasis. There positive and negative feed back loops, protein binding and redundancies of other systems that keep the homeostasis. Usually in nature , the design is multi functional.
Simple experiment – if you or anyone you know who have bleeding of the gums while brushing – take 1000 mg Vit C orally once daily – and you will notice the bleeding will stop in most cases. And all this while the body is in homeostasis.
Sorry, but you are in a science blog. This is not how it works. You don’t say, well we can’t “do nothing” so we’ll just throw the kitchen sink at it. That’s highly irresponsible medicine and basically amounts to live experimentation on sick patients with no regard to safety or efficacy. Just because we are in a pandemic we do not throw the basic tenets of science and medicine out the window to make ourselves feel like we are doing something. Best case scenario your treatment doesn’t help. Worst case scenario, you do actual harm to patients – see HQC treatment and increased mortality.
Question was how you would help your elderly parents. Sometime you don’t have the luxury of time and data and must make a decision. You didn’t answer the question what you would do, I answered what I would do for my parents.
Again what would you do?
Nick — I don’t have a good answer for you. Neither does anyone else at this point. However, I will agree with your third statement: “We have zero treatments as of today.” This is true regarding proven pharmacological treatments or vaccines as of today, but hopefully not forever.
However, there are suggestions in the literature for other approaches (other straws to grasp, if you will, or other approaches to study). One of these is now about 15 years old, and is a suggestion to study the use of statins in pandemic influenza. The suggestion comes from David S. Fedson, a professor (now retired) at the University of Virginia medical school. The original proposal came to the group I was part of around 2005 or so (I was a medicinal chemist at Novartis working on a statin project at the time — now retired). The basic idea was NOT that statins have any direct antiviral activity, but rather that, due to other effects of that class of drug, they may mitigate the host response to the virus, thereby possibly reducing mortality. These are the so-called pleiotropic effects of statins, and are largely anti-inflammatory in nature. The author (Fedson) was hoping to persuade statin makers to study this. We declined at the time. I thought the proposal was interesting, but our infectious diseases group declined.
Here is a link to the original proposal: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7107836/
There is a substantial literature related to this now. If you want to look further, here are some searches you could try:
• Statins and endothelial dysfunction
• Endothelial dysfunction and acute respiratory distress syndrome
• Statins and cytokine storm
• Statins and ebola
• Statins and C-reactive protein
• Statins and influenza
• Statins and sepsis
And there are probably other searches you could try.
I have not read all of these articles (there are too many), but I have looked at some. It is a mixed bag in terms of both the quality of the studies and the conclusions. Some of the articles support the Fedson hypothesis, some do not. But my reading of this literature is that there is enough to support properly designed studies to ask if there is something here that could save lives in a viral pandemic.
In particular, there is no large RCT that would directly address the question as to whether statin treatment in some form would reduce mortality in COVID-19.
Finally, we get to the recent Lancet article that has been extensively commented on in this blog. If you haven’t read the actual article yet, I suggest you do. It is not behind a paywall — you can download the full paper. If you do, look at Figure 2 (titled “Independent predictors of in-hospital mortality”). You will see (with 95% confidence intervals) the predictors of mortality. As has been endlessly noted, the chloroquines are associated with increased mortality in this study. Associated with decreased mortality are ACE inhibitors and statins. Interestingly, there (as far as I can see) is only one other mention of the effect of ACE inhibitors and statins in this entire thread. I think this deserves more interest.
I know less about ACE inhibitors (never worked with them) so have not commented on their effects (other than to cite the Lancet results), but Fedson likes the idea of ACE inhibitors and ARBs and mentions both in various publications along with statins.
So, Nick, perhaps another straw to grasp. Better than HCQ? I don’t know. But at this point, there are some interesting hints. And there is the Lancet result.
Great info Robert
As for statins and ACE inhibitors and ARBs. Their actions eventually lead down the same pathway for reducing oxidative stress in the epithelium. That is why I included anti-oxidant , especially SOD and GHS. They will do the same without side effects. If there was a way to get zinc in the cell with HCQ I am all for it. We have to keep thinking.
with=without
Like others, I don’t have the answers to your scenario. But I would definitely want my parents on a pulse ox and a low threshold to go to the hospital if things are getting worse. What I really want to know is if there is any benefit to early initiation of anti-platelet (i.e. aspirin) or anti-coagulation (i.e. enoxaparin) ..are we making a mistake by waiting until hospitalization, given the emerging evidence that some of COVID’s severe pathology involves clotting? I am skeptical any anti-viral will do a ton once already infected…an antiviral might have a role for pre/post exposure prophylaxis, however.
I wonder if the best path is better outpatient monitoring and figuring out when and with what to anti-coagulate and immune modulate. Hopefully, in the coming weeks, we will get more data on the immune modulation front, but I don’t know if anyone is considering or studying early anticoagulation.
T cells found in COVID-19 patients ‘bode well’ for long-term immunity
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity
35% OF POPULATION MAY HAVE IMMUNITY FROM THE OTHER CORONA VIRUS.
The paper behind this story was covered in this blog post:
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/05/15/good-news-on-the-human-immune-response-to-the-coronavirus
You did , nice! I just came across it .
For Big Data fans –
Belgium has the world’s highest death rate from Covid, 800 per million according to Worldometer.
Belgium has also banned HCQ outside of the hospital setting.
Good luck, M. Macron.
BTW back in the USA, Dr Ivette Lozano in Dallas made a couple interesting points on Youtube (speaking at a Reopen Texas rally on May 10). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSnSmPGh1Ac
— the CDC keeps beating the same drum that there is no therapy for Covid19, so the parroting hospitals tell sick people to just stay home and wash their hands a lot. Which means infecting their families, and if they don’t get well on their own, then by the time the hospitals do take them in, they are in critical condition. FAIL.
I think she’s giving patient the Zelenko 3 pack HCQ/Az/Zn.
Few things to mention:
– The way Belgium count Covid deaths is different from most other countries, if you die with a cough you are likely to be recorded as a Covid death, with no testing required to validate it. This is why they also do not have an large statistical excess in unexplained non-covid deaths during covid outbreak timeframe, that most of other countries do.
– Worldometer data is highly suspect, nobody can tell where it comes from.
Thanks for the video link, J.P. She’s giving advice of Italian doctors in given HCQ early to prevent progression to severe disease:
https://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2020/05/success-in-italy-reported-in-early.html
Key is to give the medication on *first sign* of symptoms, even before a positive test for COVID-19 comes in.
The original in vitro work in 2004 on SARS 1 suggested a fairly narrow treatment window. I am not sure why this wasn’t the first place we started to look (starting early) in trials. Starting later never seemed to have a base of evidence behind it ex-ante.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X0401839X?via%3Dihub
Robert G. Clark says:
It is mystifying why studies continue to be done on using HCQ on patients already under severe disease, when its proponents have stressed repeatedly that it has to be given early to be most effective. This desire to ONLY give it to patients already under severe disease is so strong among researchers that they are willing to claim a study is one on early use when it is actually also on patients already under severe disease.
What’s even more mystifying and what I might say even incredible is top infectious disease experts including some who are considered the top ones in the nation don’t consider the difference important.
Millions of peoples lives are at stake. The stakes are too high for such foolish and dangerous mistakes to be made.
An Oxford University study of 950,000 patients using HCQ says it’s very safe.
Why do so many including Fauci and others who should be well informed keep thinking otherwise?
Your data please gentlemen.
https://www.research.ox.ac.uk/Article/2020-04-17-oxford-led-research-describes-the-safety-profile-and-potential-harms-of-hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin
Martin (still not Shkreli) says:
Calling it a “study on 950 000 patients” is misleading, it is a study of the medical history of 950 000 patients, over 14 databases, ie similar to what Derek presents.
The conclusion concerns only HCQ at lower doses and over short times, and finds it rather safe (which is why it is in the pharmacopeia in the first place!)
The lead investigator declares:
“However, when prescribed in combination with azithromycin, it may induce heart failure and cardiovascular mortality and we would urge caution in using the two together.”
“We lack data on the safety of hydroxychloroquine when used at higher doses, and it is too early to be able to understand its clinical effectiveness to treat COVID-19.”
Hardly the unequivocal endorsement that your comment implies…
I said study OF not On.
Pharmacokinetics: Following a single 200 mg oral dose of PLAQUENIL to healthy males, the mean peak blood concentration of hydroxychloroquine was 129.6 ng/mL, reached in 3.26 hours with a half-life of 537 hours (22.4 days).
Martin (still not Shkreli)
Do the math if you can.
It’s the Azithromycin that has the safety issues NOT HCQ.
Read better next time and have a nice day!
This is horrendous:
Questions raised over hydroxychloroquine study which caused WHO to halt trials for Covid-19.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/may/28/questions-raised-over-hydroxychloroquine-study-which-caused-who-to-halt-trials-for-covid-19
The company that provided the data for the Lancet paper has been accused of falsifying data and Australia has denied ever supplying them with the information they claim comes from Australian hospitals.
The company has refused to hand over their data. In view of the importance of this paper with randomized, controlled trials that could have finally determine the validity of HCQ’s effectiveness being cancelled, the authors should be required to either hand over their data or withdraw their paper.
For me, red flags were already raised in that there were no experts on infectious disease among the authors. They were all either cardiologists or vascular surgeons. Then it is quite likely they didn’t even know suggesting a 48 hour limitation on treatment of patients means it is an “early use” study is flat out wrong.
I don’t know what is worse suggesting incorrectly that it is an “early use” study or not knowing that it is not.
@Robert Thank you for posting this info first , I saw it much later from someone else.
Larry Weisenthal MD PhD says:
I personally think that the Lancetstudy is incredibly misleading and close to worthless, with respect to the primary endpoint of assessing potential benefit.
Firstly, in the drug treatment arms, three times as many patients required ventilators. There is no obvious mechanism for HCQ/CQ to cause respiratory demcompensation or exacerbate the course of infection. The more likely explanation, which passes the Occam’s Razor test, is that patients selected for drug treatment were judged by their doctors to be at greater risk. This can’t be captured by the reported crude metrics of clinical condition used in the study.
Secondly, the most obvious explanation for increased arrhythmias is that patients on these known arrythmogenic drugs were more likely to be placed on heart monitors. To my knowledge, no increase in deaths associated with cardiac arrhythmias were observed. The arrhythmia issue is always raised, but figuring out whether any of these actually causes fatalities is an elusive challenge. When rhythm disturbances are observed, presumably doses are withheld and then adjusted.
The linked article makes the point that the prospective randomized controlled trials have trended to show benefit, while retrospective observational studies have trended to show harm.
By far, the most useful study was the medrXiv preprint from NYU, showing a 44% reduced mortality to HCQ + Azithromycin + Zn compared to HCQ + Az without Zn. As there is no reason to suspect that HCQ + Az would accelerate respiratory disease or that there were fatal arrhythmias or than Zn would protect against fatal arrhythmias, Occam’s Razor indicates that HCQ + Az + Zn really did save lives.
https://healthpolicy-watch.org/world-health-organization-pauses-hydroxychloroquine-arm-of-multinational-covid-19-treatments-trial/
Questions says:
Questions from the NYU study:
Authors claim addition of zinc with an ionophore (HCQ) has a synergistic antiviral effect. Where is the PCR viral levels data demonstrating that effect in vivo with these patients since that was the basis for adding zinc in the first place? I suspect they were never measured post-diagnosis.
Authors claim statistics show the addition of zinc sulfate was associated with decreased need for invasive ventilation. Indeed, there were 86 patients on ventilators in the no zinc group versus 33 in the zinc group. Ostensibly, they were all put on either treatment regimen on admission. What were the percentage of deaths that were on mechanical ventilation in both groups and how long post admission was that ventilation started in both groups? That should be information they definitely have. Antiviral/antimicrobial therapy doesn’t work in a few hours except in Hollywood movies. (If Dr. Who went back in time with his Tardis and gave triple combination HIV therapy to all patients in ICU and hospice dying of AIDS, they still would have died albeit with somewhat lower viral titers. It takes months to get to undetectable levels.)
Other notes: Their reference is for research showing that chloroquine is a zinc ionophore. Hydroxychloroquine is not chloroquine and it is not metabolized to chloroquine. They are two distinct chemical entities and they are both N-dealkylated leaving two chemically distinct metabolites. They have multiple references that seem to infer that these are identical drugs. They are not. And I would not infer that the ability of either drug to serve as an ionophore for zinc or that the synergistic ability of that the antiviral activity with separate drugs used on a different corona virus in a different cell line etc. is a rigorous claim to anything.
Both the Lancet study and the NYU study are retrospective. They both highlight the need for prospective studies as they raise interesting questions. Maybe someone should even design studies where they compare chloroquine versus hydroxychloroquine since the medical establishment, media and government agencies seem to think them interchangeable. Given the infection levels in the U.S., rampant stupidity of the US government’s response to this virus and the rampant stupidity of the US populace, I doubt that we will run out of patients for such studies anytime soon.
OC says:
The Lancet “study” is so flawed as to be utterly useless. If Derek had any intellectual integrity he would add to this opinion piece the recent SUBSTANTIAL concerns about the issues with this study:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/health/virus-hydroxychloroquine-lancet.amp.html
The authors have not shared their data, it is therefore unverifiable and non-replicable. Where is Derek’s concern about that little issue?
Why are there only FOUR authors on thing? How is that even possible?
Where is the adjustment to ensure HCQ had time to work? I.e. Most studies only include patients on a course of drugs for more than one or two days? If sicker patients on their death beds were given the drugs and died within hours they are still included in this study.
Where is Derek’s concern at the curious Australian data where 73 patients were said to have died across 5 hospitals by April 21st? This despite TOTAL Australian deaths not even being 73 by that date, many deaths having been in nursing homes not hospitals and deaths being across MANY more than 5 hospitals (probably 5 in Sydney alone that I can think of)?
My suspicions are that this is a garbage in, garbage out study.
The new study by Raoult presents its conclusions thus:
“Treatment with HCQ-AZ was associated with a decreased risk of transfer to the ICU or death (HR 0.19 0.12-0.29), decreased risk of hospitalization ≥10 days (odds ratios 95% CI 0.37 0.26-0.51) and shorter duration of viral shedding (time to negative PCR: HR 1.27 1.16-1.39).”
What is HR? Could someone be so kind to explain these numbers? It will be hard to tease it out of google with only a two-letter abbreviation. It looks like they are some kind of statistics, the first number could be the mean followed by a range. Does he say how much decreased by?
CI could be confidence interval.
Anyway not much joy for me there, no percentage shown for the reduction and no zinc 🙂
Not my field, but HR is Hazard Ratio, which is a way of comparing two groups. Wikipedia has a bit on it, and after reading that you will be significantly better on it than I! 🙂
https://youtu.be/zB-_SV-y11Y
The push behind remdesivir and MD in the government link to Gilead. Follow the money!
Hydroxychloroquine = cheap generic drug that has be used from more than a half a century.
Watch the video if interested it only 9min.
How is this even possible?!!!
The NIH COVID19 Treatment Guidelines Panel membership is absolutely LOADED with ‘experts’ having financial ties to Gilead the maker of Remdesivir.
Everyone needs to see this video before it gets taken down. The ‘smoking gun’ occurs about 8 minutes in for those short on time.
Derek?
Where’s Derek?
I’m right here. Do you have an argument about the clinical data?
Thanks Derek,
Have you seen the news report outlining that the vast majority of panel members have or have had financial ties to Gilead?
Can you tell us if this is normal?
Also what are your thoughts on the opinions expressed in the interview?
Thanks for your response. This is something that needs to be addressed to see if it IS or IS NOT an issue that needs to be investigated further.
Latest interview from Dr. Zelenko and info on clinical trial results coming in 10 days or so.
https://youtu.be/XH_zQ4lwhvE
At 10:45 into the interview Zelenko speculates (only speculates) that Fauci and his ‘experts’ may have intentionally sought the outcome of shutting down the US economy.
If that SPECULATION proves correct then treason charges will have to be paid on all of those involved in this ongoing fiasco.
Here’s to hoping that mere incompetence or financial gain ONLY is at play.
Well, I cannot agree with what Dr. Zelenko says.. not on any thing, really. Let me tell you, as a physician I have understood that it is very easy to get off track. It is very easy to think that you have a better treatment than anyone else… something that you thought up yourself. It turns out it is easy to think that a number of your patients did exceptionally well because of what you did, and not realize that it was by chance alone. Patients with lung cancer, for instance may die in 2 months or live for 4 years, depending upon a lot of factors. If I were “lucky” enough to get 4 patients in a row who had a milder form of the disease, and they lived 3 years rather than 1 year, I would be tempted to think that it was because of the “special” treatment that I gave, even though it was just “luck” that those 4-in-a-row had milder disease. In fact, over a doctor’s career, it would be impossible, I think, that by chance alone I would “think” that I had a special treatment for a certain disease. As a smart physician, I have learned that one needs randomized, blinded studies to know for sure.
If Hydroxychloroquine is as good as they say, then there should be hundreds and hundreds of physicians telling us that it is that good. And the studies should all look very good. Not the negative study mentioned in this blog post.
And curse the person who thinks that there is just some conspiracy theory that downplays Hydroxychloroquine for their monetary good. Look, Fauci can get Covid19 and suffer and die. So can his wife, his brother, his kids. There is no way that he would conspire against a successful treatment. Anyone who thinks so has a sick mind.
Nevertheless, there are still over 100 studies worldwide on Hydroxychloroquine. Many of these are randomized. A few include zinc supplementation. About a dozen are using Hydroxychloroquine as a preventative. Several of these studies should be completed in the next 4 weeks. We will know more before long.
Most physician are on “caterpillar line” – will walk in line one after the other an go in circles till they die. They are not allowed to think anymore. They never even touch the patient, they only look at the labs. They are afraid to step out of line for the fear of being looked down upon by their peers. If a pt dies in care of the physician and the physician is following the protocol for standard of care there are no questions asked but the slightest variation from the standard of care and they are targets of lawyers. Physicians are in a tough spot, most care for their patients and do have their safety in mind but the other reasons I states supersede all other reasons. Most great leaps forward are made by accidentally discovery, form a person from a completely different field of study or a renegade thinker from the same field of study. Only incremental change is possible with incremental thinking is pursued in the continuum. Just an observation and no offense to an Physicians.
Perhaps the evidence is there if we are willing to put together the clues:
Researchers ponder why covid-19 appears deadlier in the U.S. and Europe than in Asia.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/researchers-ponder-why-covid-appears-more-deadly-in-the-us-and-europe-than-in-asia/2020/05/26/81889d06-8a9f-11ea-9759-6d20ba0f2c0e_story.html
Graphic showing radically reduced death rates in Asian countries:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/OFJZCQU7RMI6VPQGV5KRJ3QDQU.jpg
National Consumption of Antimalarial Drugs and COVID-19 Deaths Dynamics : an Ecological Study.
“COVID-19 (Coronavirus Disease-2019) is an international public health problem with a high rate of severe clinical cases. Several treatments are currently being tested worldwide. This paper focuses on anti-malarial drugs such as chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine, which have been currently reviewed by a systematic study as a good potential candidate and that has been reported as the most used treatment by a recent survey of physicians. We compare the dynamics of COVID-19 death rates in countries using anti-malaria drugs as a treatment from the start of the epidemic versus countries that do not, the day of the 3rd death and the following 10 days. We show that the first group have a much slower dynamic in death rates that the second group.”
Here’s the key graphic showing radically reduced death rates in those countries using the antimalarials:
https://ibb.co/g6F6qvN
WORLD NEWS MARCH 12, 2020 / 9:51 AM
South Korea experts recommend anti-HIV, anti-malaria drugs for COVID-19
Elizabeth Shim
“The groups advised discretion among medical professionals, while recommending the administration of Kaletra, an anti-HIV medication that includes the drugs lopinavir and ritonavir.
Kaletra blocks the ability of HIV to replicate itself, and also inhibits the growth of cancer cells.
South Korean experts are also recommending the use of hydroxychloroquine in combination with the anti-HIV medication. HCQ is sold under the brand name Plaquenil, among others, and is used for the prevention and treatment of malaria.”
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/03/12/South-Korea-experts-recommend-anti-HIV-anti-malaria-drugs-for-COVID-19/6961584012321/
Treatment Response to Hydroxychloroquine, Lopinavir/Ritonavir, and Antibiotics for Moderate COVID 19: A First Report on the Pharmacological Outcomes from South Korea.
“Conclusion: This first report on pharmacological management of COVID 19 from South Korea revealed that HQ with antibiotics was associated with better clinical outcomes in terms of viral clearance, hospital stay, and cough symptom resolution compared to Lop/R with antibiotics or conservative treatment. The effect of Lop/R with antibiotics was not superior to conservative management. The adjunct use of the antibiotics may provide additional benefit in COVID 19 management but warrants further evaluation.”
Indonesia to keep prescribing two malaria drugs for COVID-19 despite bans in Europe.
*“The world’s fourth-most populous nation has since late March recommended that chloroquine and its derivative, hydroxychloroquine, be widely administered, including to coronavirus patients with moderate to severe symptoms, according to Food and Drug Monitoring Agency guidelines.”*
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-indonesia-drugs/indonesia-to-keep-prescribing-two-malaria-drugs-for-covid-19-despite-bans-in-europe-idUSKBN2341XG
India Promotes Hydroxychloroquine, as WHO Stops Trials Over Safety Issues
BY AILA SLISCO ON 5/26/20 AT 7:42 PM EDT
https://www.newsweek.com/india-promotes-hydroxychloroquine-despite-who-stopping-trials-over-safety-issues-1506658
Commentary on “Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open label non-randomized clinical trial” by Gautret et al.
Mondher Toumi & Samuel Aballea
Journal of Market Access & Health Policy, 8:1, 1758390, DOI:10.1080/20016689.2020.1758390
“Hydroxychloroquine treatment with massive testing and limited confinement has successfully worked in South Korea to control the outbreak with an impressively low rate of fatalities[44].”
“So far, European decision-makers have shown very little ability to learn from China [45] and South Korea [44], the only two countries that have been able to control the outbreak. Cultural differences, language barriers, and arrogance from the old Europe may cer- tainly explain why best practice knowledge sharing failed in this situation.”
After listening to this latest interview with Dr. Zelenko, and his mention of quercetin, I became curious as to what effect quercetin might have on the QT interval. Quercetin does have some effect on cardiac ion channels and may be a cardiac vasodilator, apparently.
As far as I could find, quercetin does not prolong QTc, and at least in mice isolated hearts, it might shorten QTc! Now, I think that the zinc ionophore theory is just one mechanism whereby HCQ might affect coronaviruses, so, not sure that quercetin is a reasonable substitute for HCQ. Still, quercetin might work.
What I found that to be interesting and something I had not known is, that apparently grapefruit juice can prolong the QT interval!
Now, the study linked above, participants really had to chug a fair amount of it (up to 2 L!), but the prolongation of the QT interval was not trivial. The net prolongation amount was 14.0 ms, and statistically significant — more than twice the amount of non-significant QT prolongation in COVID-19 patients treated with HCQ in the Mercuro study published in JAMA cardiology. Another grapefruit juice study found a prolongation of 10 msec after drinking only 1L of grapefruit juice: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/01.cir.0000155617.54749.09
So, I believe it’s incumbent on the FDA now to issue a health warning to the public about the potential hazards of drinking this dangerous juice!
Green Tea Extract will also work as Zn inophore. You can take Quercetin in combination with Green Tea Extract with zinc. This is at onset.
You add super oxide dismutase and glutathione if symptoms worsen.
Please be careful with green tea extract. It can cause severe liver damage, even to the point of requiring liver transplantation.
I would never take this.
Just to drive the point home about the dangers of green tea extract re liver failure:
https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-45971416
A similar fate befell a friend of ours. The person involved was a nurse who was very concerned about her health. After taking green tea extract, she had liver failure, requiring transplantation, and is now deceased, unfortunately, at a relatively young age. This is not just a theoretical risk.
@John appreciate the info. Really sorry for your loss! From what I know it above 800mg and most supplements are around 300mg per day. But will keep your warning in mind. Once again thank you.
Important question says:
Do we snort the green tree extract or do we smoke it? Or is it best to speed absorption through rectal administration? What drug delivery method do you recommend? I’m assuming we don’t try to reconstitute by making tea out of it, correct? Is there a food effect for an oral route? Can I have a biscuit with my green tea extract? What doses do you recommend for myself or someone like my mother who is in a nursing home? She has slightly impaired renal function as is normal for her age so should we adjust those doses for renal excretion of putative active ingredients? I don’t want you to hold my hand but I searched exhaustively and I’m not enough of a “renegade thinker” to come up with those doses or routes of administration on my own. I searched for the published data but could not find that clinical data published as of yet since this a relatively new virus and all.
Obviously you are not a thinker let alone a renegade thinker . I am not also neither. I am just a troll.
Grumpy Old Professor says:
“only” a litre? My mouth is puckering and my teeth are dropping out at the thought….. 🙂
Dave McCann says:
Such a BS article, especially in light of the recent Yale study added to several other showing positive results.
EugeneL says:
This is not to say that HCQ works in later stages, it likely does not. Although HCQ may well work in the early stages when the virus is still taking grounds.
The study increasingly looks like it was cooked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUD_wvkNhnk
If you can refute some arguments in the video please do. But the key principle of research studies should always hold: a study needs to be verifiable. The HCQ article in question is NOT. After significant worries were raised about mistakes in the data, the community, or even select auditors, do not have capability to go and recheck the claims.
Thank you for the link to video.
Let’s have a look at the boarder image in an ethical approach with a sense of reality
There is conflicting results concerning HCQ and CQ and we are waiting for more robust data from hoped RCT.
But the time those RCT comes out many persons will have died and I am afraid that those RCT would yield conflicting results as its frequently observed (hope not of course)
The main point:
Most exposed persons are those over 50 or less with co-morbidities.
It’s an infectious disease that is rapidly killing a lot of persons in this group.
This group of person have to be and be given a chance to survive based on available medications based on current cumulative knowledge (not placebo) even if those medications have only a presumption of efficacy. ( I am talking here about all available products ,not only about HCQ)
In that perspective, Russian roulette of a trial is not an option here
“Open letter to MR Mehra, SS Desai, F Ruschitzka, and AN Patel, authors of“Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis”. Lancet. 2020 May 22:S0140-6736(20)31180-6. doi: 10.1016/S0140-6736(20)31180-6. PMID: 32450107and to Richard Horton (editor of The Lancet).Concerns regardingthe statistical analysis and data integrityThe retrospective, observational study of 96,032 hospitalized COVID-19 patients from sixcontinents reported substantially increased mortality (~30% excessdeaths) and occurrence of cardiac arrhythmias associated with the use of the 4-aminoquinoline drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine. These results have had a considerable impact on public health practice and research. The WHO has pausedrecruitment to the hydroxychloroquine arm in their SOLIDARITY trial.The UK regulatory body, MHRA,requested the temporarypausing of recruitment intoall hydroxychloroquine trials in the UK (treatment and prevention), andFrance has changed its national recommendation for the use of hydroxychloroquine in COVID-19 treatmentand also halted trials.The subsequent media headlines have caused considerable concern to participants and patients enrolled in randomized controlled trials (RCTs) seeking to characterizethe potential benefits and risks of these drugsin the treatment and prevention ofCOVID-19 infections. There is uniform agreement that well conducted RCTs are needed to inform policies and practices.This impact has led many researchers around the world to scrutinize in detail the publication in question. This scrutinyhas raised both methodological and data integrity concerns. The main concerns are listed as follows:1.There wasinadequate adjustment for known and measured confounders (disease severity, temporal effects, site effects, dose used).2.The authors have not adhered to standard practices in the machine learning and statistics community. They have not releasedtheir code or data. There is no data/code sharing and availability statement in the paper. The Lancet was among the many signatories on the Wellcome statementon data sharing for COVID-19 studies.3.There was noethics review.4.There was no mention of the countries or hospitals that contributed to the data sourceandno acknowledgments to their contributions.A request to the authors for information on the contributing centres was denied.5.Data from Australia are not compatible with government reports (too many cases for just five hospitals, more in-hospital deaths than had occurred in the entire country during the study period). Surgisphere (the data company) have since statedthis was an error of classificationof one hospital from Asia.Thisindicates the need for further error checking throughout thedatabase.6.Data from Africa indicate thatnearly 25% of all COVID-19 cases and 40% of all deaths in the continentoccurred in Surgisphere-associated hospitals which had sophisticated electronic patient data recording, and patient monitoring able to detect and record “nonsustained [at least 6 secs] or sustained ventricular tachycardia or ventricularfibrillation”. Both the numbers of cases and deaths, and the detailed data collection, seem unlikely.7.Unusually small reported variances in baseline variables, interventions and outcomes between continents(Table S3).
8.Mean daily doses of hydroxychloroquine that are 100 mg higher than FDA recommendations, whereas 66% of the data are from North American hospitals.9.Implausible ratios of chloroquine to hydroxychloroquine use in some continents10.The tight 95% confidence intervals reported for the hazard ratios are unlikely. For instance,for the Australiandatathis would need about double the numbers of recorded deathsas were reported in the paper.The patient data have been obtained through electronic patient records and are held by the US company Surgisphere. In response to a request for the data Professor Mehra has replied; “Our data sharing agreements with the various governments, countries and hospitals do not allow us to share data unfortunately.”Given the enormous importance and influence of these results, we believe it is imperative that:1.The company Surgisphereprovides details on data provenance. At the very minimum, this means sharing theaggregated patient data at the hospital level (for all covariates and outcomes)2.Independent validation of the analysis is performed by a group convened by the World Health Organization,or at least one other independent and respected institution. This would entail additional analyses (e.g. determining if there is a dose-effect)to assess the validity of the conclusions3.There is openaccess to allthe data sharing agreements cited above to ensure that,in each jurisdiction,any mined data was legally and ethically collected and patient privacy aspects respectedIn the interests of transparency, we also ask The Lancet to make openly available the peer review comments that led to this manuscript to be accepted for publication.This open letteris signed by clinicians, medical researchers, statisticians, and ethicistsfrom across the world. The full list of signatoriesand affiliationscan be found below.
List of SignatoriesDr James Watson (Statistician, Mahidol Oxford Tropical Medicine Research Unit, Thailand)1Professor Amanda Adler (Trialist & Clinician, Director of the Diabetes Trials Unit, UK)DrRavi Amaravadi (Researcher,University of Pennsylvania, USA)Dr Ambrose Agweyu (Medical researcher, KEMRI-Wellcome Trust Research Programme, Kenya)Professor MichaelAvidan(Clinician, Washington University in St Louis, USA)Professor Nicholas Anstey (Clinician, Menzies School of Health Research, Australia)Dr Yaseen Arabi (Clinician, King Saud Bin Abdulaziz University for Health Sciences, Saudi Arabia)Dr Elizabeth Ashley (Clinician, Director of the Lao-Oxford-Mahosot Hospital-Wellcome Trust Research Unit, Laos) Professor Kevin Baird (Researcher, Headof the Eijkman-Oxford Clinical Research Unit, Indonesia)Professor Francois Balloux (Researcher, Director of the UCL Genetics Institute, UK)Dr Clifford George Banda (Clinician, University of Cape Town, South Africa) Dr Edwine Barasa(Health economist, KEMRI-Wellcome Trust Research Programme, Kenya) Professor Karen Barnes (Clinical Pharmacology, University of Cape Town, South Africa)Professor David Boulware (Researcher& Triallist, University of Minnesota, USA)Professor Buddha Basnyat (Clinician, Head of the Oxford University Clinical Research Unit -Nepal, Nepal)Professor Philip Bejon (Medical researcher, Director of the KEMRI-Wellcome Trust Research Programme, Kenya)Professor Mohammad Asim Beg(Clinician/Researcher, Aga Khan University,Pakistan)Professor Emmanuel Bottieau (Clinician, Institute of Tropical Medicine, Antwerp, Belgium)Dr Sabine Braat (Statistician, University of Melbourne, Australia)Professor Frank Brunkhorst (Clinician, Jena University Hospital, Germany)Dr Todd Campbell Lee (Researcher, McGill University, Canada)Professor Caroline Buckee (Epidemiologist, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, USA)Dr James Callery (Clinician, Mahidol Oxford Tropical Medicine Research Unit, Thailand)Professor John Carlin (Statistician, University of Melbourne & Murdoch Children’s Research Institute, Australia)Dr Nomathemba Chandiwana (Research Clinician, University of the Witwatersrand, South Africa)Dr Arjun Chandna (Clinician, Cambodia Oxford Medical Research Unit, Cambodia)Professor PhaikYeong Cheah (Ethicist/Pharmacist, Mahidol Oxford Tropical Medicine Research Unit, Thailand)Professor Allen Cheng (Clinician, Monash University, Australia)Professor Leonid Churilov (Statistician, University of Melbourne, Australia)Professor Ben Cooper (Epidemiologist, University of Oxford, UK)Dr Cintia Cruz (PaediatricianMahidol Oxford Tropical Medicine Research Unit, Thailand)Professor Bart Currie (Director, HOT NORTH, Menzies School of Health Research, Australia)Professor Joshua Davis (Clinician, President of the Australasian Society for Infectious Diseases, Australia)Dr Jeremy Day (Clinician, Oxford University Clinical Research Unit, Vietnam)Professor Nicholas Day (Clinician,Director of the Mahidol Oxford Tropical Medicine Research Unit, Thailand)Dr Hakim-Moulay Dehbi (Statistician, University College London, UK)Dr Justin Denholm (Clinician, Researcher, Ethicist, Doherty Institute, Australia)DrLennie Derde (Intensivist/Researcher, University Medical Center Utrecht, The Netherlands)Professor Keertan Dheda (Clinician/Researcher, University of Cape Town,& Groote Schuur Hospital, South Africa)Dr Mehul Dhorda (Clinical Researcher, Mahidol Oxford Tropical Medicine Research Unit, Thailand) Professor Annane Djillali (Dean of the School of Medicine,Simone Veil Université,France)Professor Arjen Dondorp (Clinician, Mahidol Oxford Tropical Medicine Research Unit, Thailand)Dr Joseph Doyle (Clinician, Monash University and Burnet Institute, Australia)Dr Anthony Etyang (Medical Researcher, KEMRI-Wellcome Trust Research Programme, Kenya)Dr Caterina Fanello (Epidemiologist, University of Oxford, UK)Professor Neil Ferguson (Epidemiologist, Imperial College London, UK)ProfessorAndrew Forbes (Statistician, Monash University, Melbourne, Australia)Professor Oumar Gaye (Clinical Researcher, University Cheikh Anta Diop, Senegal)Dr Ronald Geskus (Head of Statistics at theOxford University Clinical Research Unit, Vietnam)Professor Dave Glidden(Biostatistics, University of California, USA)Professor Azra Ghani (Epidemiologist, Imperial College London, UK)Prof Philippe Guerin (Medical researcher, University of Oxford, UK)Dr. Raph Hamers (Clinician/Trialist, Eijkman-OxfordClinical Research Unit, Indonesia)Professor Peter Horby (Clinical Researcher, Centre for Tropical Medicine and Global Health, University of Oxford)DrJens-Ulrik Jensen (Clinician/Trialist, University of Copenhagen, Denmark)Dr Hilary Johnstone (Clinical Research Physician, Independent)Professor Kevin Kain (Clinical Researcher, University of Toronto, Canada)Dr Sharon Kaur (Ethicist, University of Malaya, Malaysia)1For correspondence: james@tropmedres.ac
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WustlMed says:
Totally agree. This is worse than the VA one. Too much politics
An open letter to Mehra et al and The Lancet – search in google. I tried posting the link but didn’t work
Milord Cutter says:
The second the Impeached Imbecile uttered the word hydroxychloroquine the entire world should have known this was a total scam.
As a physician (oncologist), I beg to differ… at least for myself. (although I do see what you say in many other physicians). I am willing to go out on a limb, when I give proper informed consent. At least 10 times in my career I gave high dose Artemisinin for patients with advanced cancer for which any reasonable conventional treatments were exhausted. (That was back in the day… I would not do it now, because I observed that high doses of herbal Artemisinin had no side effects and did absolutely no good, making me think that the patient was not absorbing it.). I understand medicinal chemistry a lot better now having read this blog for the past 10 years, along with a few other blogs. It has given me a slight edge as a physician. It has also taught me to be humble. There were a few times that I thought I had a better treatment for a certain cancer… only to later observe that I was just lucky.
I don’t walk a Caterpiller line. Don’t create straw dogs to cut down.
And speaking of Quercetin….. Isn’t Quercetin a PAINS?
Glad to see you are a very different type of physician and I thank you for not walking in the line.
anon the II says:
Yes, Quercetin is a PAINS compound. My rule of thumb is that if I see a publication where someone has discovered quercetin as something useful, I don’t read the article and make a note to never read anything from that author again. Ever. Life’s too short.
It looks like Derek has focused his victory post on an aricle that later turned out to be based on fabricated data
http://freerangestats.info/blog/2020/05/30/implausible-health-data-firm
More character destruction:
“Court records in Cook County, Illinois, show that Desai is named in three medical malpractice lawsuits filed in the second half of 2019”
The company behind the data is really dodgy:
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/disputed-hydroxychloroquine-study-brings-scrutiny-to-surgisphere-67595
“No items appears to be older than March 2020 on the http://Surgisphere.com website or their linkedin Page. D&B lists two employees and under $50K income. And they claim to have a database of 96,032 COVID-19 patients from 671 hospitals in six continents?”
(https://twitter.com/RolandBakerIII/status/1266836259537707009)
If being named as a defendant in a medical malpractice action disqualifies a physician, babies would have be delivered exclusively by midwives, and cardiology would be a specialty with no practitioners outside countries with British-style litigation rules (where losers in well-defended malpractice suits pay both sides’ costs and those of the Court).
Medical misadventures happen frequently in those and other medical specialties. Unless binding arbitration is available as a remedy, litigation is the only venue available to determine whether someone’s medical injuries stem from unavoidable medical risks or from unacceptable departures from the standard of care. So, again, let’s stick to the facts, not the innuendo.
Oh my. That is rich.
Lord, save us from the harm caused by these anti-Trump losers and their pathetic, unfounded biases.
Still more on problems with Surgisphere and the Lancet paper here.
https://www.medicineuncensored.com/a-study-out-of-thin-air
More here on the possibly false nature of the data in the Lance paper:
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23LancetGate&src=typeahead_click
If this critique is true, this will be one of the greatest scandals in medical research. I feel sorry for Mandeep Mehra, the primary author, who appears to be a very established and well-regarded researcher.
Makes me angry that I was, even if temporarily, taken in by this. More damaging is the fact that this study, if false, led to regulatory agencies militating against early use of HCQ, the halting or suspension of ongoing trials, etc. If HCQ does work in an outpatient setting, and I suspect that David Boulware’s Univ. Minnesota’s RCTs may well show positive results, this Lancet study may turn out to have caused real harm to a large number of patients.
Derek, perhaps you would like to comment?
For what it is worth, some comments on the Lancet Research Report:
Some people have commented that the chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine treatment groups were more severely ill when compared to the control group with some making reference to different levels of mechanical ventilation required with the control group requiring just 7.7% while the study treatment groups required between 20.0% and 21.6%. This is correct and can best be demonstrated when you look at the 1,102 patients who were excluded from the analysis because they were already on mechanical ventilation when treatment was commenced. If you add these back to 14,888 treatment group, they represent 6.9% of the total unadjusted group. The 6.9%s is nearly equal to the total of 7.7% in the Control Group. As none of these 1.102 patients required mechanical ventilation, as a result of receiving chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine, it can only mean that the treatment groups were more severely ill than the control group. This was not a Randomly Controlled Trial (RCT). Hence the prescribing of the treatment drugs really represents an indicator of severity of the patients as well as a treatment for the illness.
In other words, the prescribing of Chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine represents an indicator of severity in patients, just like the “SPO2 < 94%” is also an indicator of severity, with those having a low level of SPO2 been provided with oxygen. If you take the hypothetical case of say 100% of patients with a SPO2 94% did not receive oxygen, no exceptions, and replaced “Oxygen Supply” in the analysis for “SPO2<94%”, then when you analysed this data, you would get the same Hazard Risk factor for “Oxygen Supply” as was calculated for “SPO2<94%”. All you are doing is relabelling the variable in the analysis. However, from Figure 2, this would indicate an increased risk of in-hospital mortality for “Oxygen Supply” with a Hazard Ratio of 1.664. Obviously. this is a ridiculous result as oxygen use is only given to the more severe ill patients. However, this example does highlight that, when you don’t have a RCT, a higher risk of mortality for a particular treatment may really be an indication of severity, as assessed by the doctor etc, as opposed to any negative effects of the drug.
If you take this line of thinking that the control group may have been less severely affected compared to the treatment group, is there any other information that may indicate they had milder versions of the illness? The paper indicates that 38,927 or 40.5% of patients received antivirals. No mention was made of any other treatments for Covid-19. Is it possible that for those patients that did not receive antivirals, even though they were in hospital, their condition was so mild that no specific treatment for Covid-19 was given that was worth mentioning? I don’t know. However, if you were to exclude them from the machinal ventilation, mortality and ventilator and mortality percentages, you could get percentages of 19.0%, 22.7% and 32.6% which are comparable to the treatment groups (ie. Mechancial Ventilation of 19.0% = 7.7% / .405, Mortatility of 22.7% = 9.3% / .405 and Ventilator or Mortality of 32.6% = 13.2% / .405 ).
If 59.5% of the Control Group had only a mild illness, then the statistical analysis of any treatment for any drug provided to the more severely ill patients would most likely always indicate an increased risk of in-hospital mortality when compared a control group that included them. This then raises the question, what were the result for those patients who received the Antivirals? Did the analysis show they had an increased risk? How did this risk compare to that for Chloroquine/Hydroxychloroquine or the hypothetical “Oxygen Supply” example ( ie. SPO2 < 94%)? Unfortunately, a review of Figure 2 of the research report indicates that Antivirals were not measured in the risk factors measured for mortality but they were included in the risk factors measured for ventricular arrhythmias in Figure 3. Why were these excluded from Figure 2? They would have been both very interesting and possibly meaningful when used as a comparison. I have a hunch they were excluded because, if prescribing antivirals is also an indication of severity of illness in patients, they probably indicated similar increased risk of in-hospital mortality as those found for Chloroquine/Hydroxychloroquine!
After fixing for data errors etc, it would be good if the authors of this report also included an analysis of risk of in-hospital mortality for the antivirals as well as the Chloroquine/Hydroxychloroquine Treatment groups. A more valid comparison can then be made. However, differences in severity in treatment groups could still distort this analysis.
Thanks for that insightful analysis. This provides further reason why the original numbers, not just their “adjusted” numbers, must be provided so an independent analysis can be made.
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/05/28/the-campaign-against-hcq-part-ii/
A few years ago the British medical journal, The Lancet, published a paper touting the safety of HCQ. But this was before HCQ with zinc was found effective if used earlier enough against Covid-19. Covid-19 turned HCQ’s effectiveness into a big problem for Big Pharma’s big profits.
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/05/26/the-campaign-against-hcq/ Part I
“Covid-19 turned HCQ’s effectiveness into a big problem for Big Pharma’s big profits.
2 problems with that analysis:
– HCQ doesn’t seem to have any detectable effectiveness on studies with large treatment cohorts. In the largest (671 hospitals) study so far, more people die when they are given HCQ in “in time to do any good” than people on “standard of care” treatment.
– Gilead Sciences and other antiviral manufacturers aren’t going to be turning big profits on a drug for COVID-19 until they can demonstrate safety and efficacy, which hasn’t (that I’m aware) happened yet.
So, let’s stick to facts, please.
Gerben Wierda two years ago
https://ea.rna.nl/2018/04/04/something-is-still-rotten-in-the-kingdom-of-artificial-intelligence/
And you all are surprised ?
The only surprising thing for me is Mr Derek unbiased systematic failures at reporting medical and scientific topics.
Maybe this is a Translational journal, but it is not about reporting on Medicine nor Science. It is about reporting engineering fads and being an influencer.
Pathetic and a waste of precious time.
More evidence for fabrication of data in the study:
The person behind the data source has three medical malpractice lawsuits.
D.L : “…There was significant evidence of harm. Here’s how it works: when something is real, you continue to see a real signal as you collect more and better data. When something is not real, it disappears. Tell me again why anyone should be advocating such treatments.But your reasons had better stand up to 14,888 patients versus 81,144 comparators. Make it good.”
Significant evidence of harm ? Here’s how it works: when something is real, you continue to see a real signal as you collect more and better data. When something is not real, it disappears. Tell me again why anyone should be advocating AGAINST such treatments. But your reasons need to be better than some bogus study of 14,888 patients versus 81,144 comparators , by a bunch of nobodies , that would never stand up to open scrutiny of the data ( which will never be allowed ). Make it good , next time.
“A Study Out of Thin Air”
It’s just a reflection of the upside-down, corrupt and politically inflamed state of science that Didier Roault, who has actually been a real scientist studying infectious diseases around the world for 40 years, is dismissed as some kind of crank, while a “study” as obviously fake as the Lancet/Surgisphere piece is lauded by all kinds of reputable people, (many of whom take a paycheck from Gilead, but not all) and instantly cited as the basis for public policy by Fauci and WHO.
How could these Harvard profs and this prestigious medical journal have been so completely snookered? Has the Lancet ever vomited this badly in its 197 year history?
A completely unknown doctor is reportedly named in 3 malpractice lawsuits in 2019 (https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/disputed-hydroxychloroquine-study-brings-scrutiny-to-surgisphere-67595) and subsequently leaves his job at a suburban Chicago hospital in February. By April he and a 5 employee company claim to have a database of patients from 600 hospitals on 6 continents? Was this man incredibly persuasive or were the Harvard docs so blinded by their desire to bury HCQ that they couldn’t resist?
The right-wing clowns who have blindly promoted chloroquine never could have pulled this off. Fox News has been a river of lies for 25 years but I’m not sure it has ever done anything as audacious as this.
I continue to be disappointed at the state of science and the character of scientists. You’d think with 100k people in coffins, people would stop thinking of the chloroquine question as some kind of sporting contest to be won.
From their website, Surgisphere’s nominal address is the Hancock building, on the 31st floor.
SURGISPHERE CORPORATION
https://www.crexi.com/lease/properties/123010/illinois-regus-john-hancock-center
Among the options to rent space here are:
• Office Space: Private, fully furnished and equipped offices for one person or an entire company which are customised for your needs. Options include Executive Office Suites in prestigious locations with iconic views, Disaster Recovery Spaces and Day Offices – access as and when you need it.
• Coworking: The sociable way to work in a shared office or open plan area. Reserve a space to use every day or simply turn up and hot desk.
I’m not sure, but I think one option available is to sort of have a prestigious address, and a timeshare sort of ‘office as you need it’.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that. But I would expect a company doing such advanced data collection and analysis would have need for a 7 day a week office space for their employees.
“I never thought I’d tweet this…but yes it does appear the “Director of Sales” for Surgisphere is an adult model for hire.”
Temp office, part time director part time model. What else?
I don’t know that to be true. But the big pharmaceutical companies have been known to hire attractive young women to visit personally doctors offices to promote the doctor’s into prescribing their medications.
One can imagine that’s the approach Surgisphere took as well to get hospitals to adopt their software.
> pharmaceutical companies have been known to hire attractive young women to visit personally doctors offices
As directors?
Title inflation.
As “detail reps”, but I’ve seen successful (and succulent) young women in pharmaceutical marketing perform some administrative tasks in their sales territories, so it’s not implausible one might be “director of sales” in a given sales territory. Especially if she’s able to get prescribers thinking with their little heads reliably.
Between troll and droll,
There is a line,
Sometimes wide,
Sometimes fine.
Never mind, let’s roll.
I am not advocating HCQ or any other treatement, but what I observe :
The developped countries are nor the only place on this planet that have the corona pandemic. India decided to use the chloroquine profilaxis to all thei public servants , policemen etc.
We in the developped countries are fixed (obnibilated) on trials dont give these facts any sort of importance.
Many countries in the third word uses HCQ in early stages of the desease and seems to minimise the consequences of the pandemic .
I dont think that they would continue if safety issue , or mabe they are just ireisponsible not caring about their population
Until now HCQ seems to be OK for outpatients in profilaxis or in very early stages under strict monitoring to minimise accidents (HCQ is not a cady)
It seems clear now that HCQ should be avoided in hospitalized patients with Myocarditis and or or with QTC issues
Here in France some hospitals uses HCQ as a frontline first step treatement and uses monoclonal therapy (or other) as the second step for more serious conditions
Then medications can be non exclusive and complementary
As for ethics of trials, the odds of dying from the desease is greater with age and comorbidities.
Older or more vulnerable persons patients have to be (always) given a real choice between accepting an RCT trial or a treatement based on best available knowledge (they can cancontribute retrospectively to reviews) I would add , even if we have no candidates for the EBM machinery.
Propose a treatement based on the presumption of efficacy is by far more ethical than sending detected peaple back home asking them to call the emergency in case.
Its not the first time in history when, in the name of science, the inacceptable became acceptable.
Is there any possible explanation for so many to have accepted and even touted this bogus Lancet study other than idiot level gullibility or ideological possession that disables the capacity for critical thinking? Just wondering.
It did not look bogus initially. It’s a good that some members of the public looked at the claims and the date more critically.
Relative stats for NY, Montreal, Paris, and Marseille
http://covexit.com/a-look-at-covid-mortality-in-paris-marseille-new-york-and-montreal/
See also: http://covexit.com/
But if you google Didier Raoult, this is the 3rd link that Google Search will show you:
https://forbetterscience.com/2020/04/22/chloroquine-witchdoctor-didier-raoult-barking-mad-and-dangerous/
This is for those who still naively think that Covid-19 science has not become politicized. To show how a respected scientist who has published more than 2900 papers, is being attacked because he dared to publish his case series results using HCQ and AZT.
@Derek,
On twitter, there is a mini tsunami of epidemiologists and big data researchers calling into question the honesty of Mehra’s study, and if it really ever was a study. You’ve been hosting an excellent blog on the subject. You were fooled, I was fooled. Now, to correct this, and to maintain your own excellent credibility, I think opening up a new blog chapter or topic focusing on the validity issues of both Mehra’s NEJM paper and Lancet paper would be in order.
Or, maybe not necessary. In this day and litiginous age, one has to be most careful about being accused of libel,etc. It appears that the truth or falsity of the Lancet (and possibly also, the NEJM) studies will be coming out shortly.
After more than 100 scientists sent an open letter questioning the Lancet study, the Lancet made some minor corrections but left findings unchanged and 9 of the 10 objections unanswered,
https://www.theepochtimes.com/hydroxychloroquine-study-corrected-after-more-than-100-scientists-question-findings_3371001.html
Interesting graphic from France-Soir reproduced here:
It basically, shows that mortality in the Marseille region due to Covid-19 is much lower than in many other areas.
What I find fascinating is, the attacks of Prof. Raoult by various segments of the press (e.g. NY Times article focusing on personality) and this blog, which magically and consistently pops up #2 whenever you Google Didier Raoult:
It’s amazing the extent of the targeted character assasination of a most reputable scientist that is going on.
So, if you are waiting for “Expressions of concern” and/or retractions from NEJM or Lancet re the Mandeep Mehra papers, perhaps you shouldn’t hold your breath.
I haven’t been much of a twitter fan and so haven’t realized how revealing twitter can be.
I looked at the twitter feed of Richard Horton, the chief editor of Lancet.
https://twitter.com/richardhorton1
I was amazed as to how political and polarizing this person was. I don’t think that medical or other scientific journals should allow persons who are so deeply immersed and engaged in political agendas, to be their editors. I believe that the role of advocate and scientist, if not incompatible, must be clearly compartmentalized.
I now am convinced that the Mehra paper will probably not be withdrawn any time soon, barring some sort of legal action requiring full disclosure of the data use in their study.
Sadly, I agree. The article is not going to be retracted, even though it was clearly based on a dodgy data. Too much politics is involved, and money. Those hundred scientists who want to audit the method and data should shut up and trust Surgisphere. It has pay for hire models among directors after all. Derek, will unlikely issue any clarifications either. His hate to Trump likely exceeds the love for honest and open scientific process. It’s good that the at least has not descended to silencing commenters based on their political point of view.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I will be writing about this today.
Cumulative worldwide healthcare authorities in many countries advocate for the early and large use of HCQ and are intending to co continue with it.
They represent hundred of thousand of treated persons (curatively or profilaxis)
Are they foolish ??
What is happening now is that they dont understand the positioning of the WHO
Concerning the EBM and RCT , Time is running and death toll is climbing , believe me , I have been reading hundreds for other subjects , it will be doubtfull to expect franc non contradicting results that might lead to endless discussions and might appear useless for decision making.
All in all, RCTs is heavy duty and have usually low external validity . Compared to prevalent shared opinion by so many health authorities in the world I would rather take in such a crisis the second one.
If RCT don’t confirm the large shared opinion about a cure , this have to do maybe with the RCT methodology rather than the large shared opinion.
It would be wise, to stop a second, and have a broader look at the picture rather than loose time debating on details.
Remember most scientific discoveries happened before EBM era. They are the fruit of intuition and curiosity.
Still, I don’t deny that scientifical méthodology is central in modern research but in a more calm situation.
If presumption of efficacy of a treatment is the only available knowledge to date, this has to benefit to the patient (the benefit of doubt).
I’ll add this to my precedent comment , HCQ is given as an example to underline the éthical dilema surounding the COVID pandemic.
Many different therapeutical approches are now tested in trials around the globe (not only HCQ).
Again persons above 70 specially with comorbidities have around x10 times the risk of developping a seroius condition and even fastly dying from it.
Including them in RCT is not ethical. Applyed to the the most vulnérable patients , the standard treatement branch of RCT (placebo) is not acceptable with regard to the risk level. (patients might accept an RCT as the only way to have a chance to get the treatement groupe).
They have to be targeted and helped and be given the best available treatement (not the standard one) built on cumulative knowledge from undergoing trials (whatever the product is)
DTX says:
john – Thanks much for posting the Richard Horton twitter feed! While I obviously knew about the Lancet, I had never paid attention to its editor. It was shocking to see he recently called for Anthony Fauci to resign. I guess Horton thinks politics are more important than health.
In terms of scientific voices in the US regarding the pandemic, is there anyone more important than Fauci? And he should resign? This suggests to me that data quality on HCQ is likely irrelevant to Horton – that his judgments focus on politics & not science.
Hence, while I’m glad john posted the twitter feed, it’s really disturbing to see such a (formerly) highly respected journal devolve.
Robert R. Fenichel says:
Suggesting that Fauci resign does not demonstrate that the suggester has been carried away by political bias. Someone who believes in the mission of an organization might resign if he or she decided that the organization had lost track of that mission, and that he or she might better serve that mission elsewhere. In the case of a prominent person like Fauci, he might decide that his resignation would contribute toward jolting the organization into getting back on track.
I do not say that Fauci should resign, but only that he might do so for reasons independent of his politics.
NEJM publishes “Expression of Concern”
https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1267863341952913411/photo/1
Direct link here:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2020822
“On May 1, 2020, we published “Cardiovascular Disease, Drug Therapy, and Mortality in Covid-19,”1 a study of the effect of preexisting treatment with angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors and angiotensin-receptor blockers (ARBs) on Covid-19. This retrospective study used data drawn from an international database that included electronic health records from 169 hospitals on three continents. Recently, substantive concerns have been raised about the quality of the information in that database. We have asked the authors to provide evidence that the data are reliable. In the interim and for the benefit of our readers, we are publishing this Expression of Concern about the reliability of their conclusions.
Studies of ACE inhibitors and ARBs in Covid-19 can play an important role in patient care. We encourage readers to consult two other studies we published on May 1, 2020, that used independent data to reach their conclusions.2,3”
Lancet looking less reliable by the day.
I couldn’t help but notice that the Bahrain MoH has been using the hydroxycholoquine protocol since February 26th of 2020.
https://www.bna.bh/en/SCHPresidentBahrainstherapeuticprotocolprovedeffective.aspx?cms=q8FmFJgiscL2fwIzON1%2bDmX4XVZ8fQTmaJ3pfQVhjK0%3d
I can only wonder if that’s why the Worldometer Coronavirus stats today show Bahrain at :
12,311 cases, 7,407 recoveries, and only 19 deaths.
Seems there are a lot of HCQ protocol countries on that list with low deaths.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/mysterious-company-s-coronavirus-papers-top-medical-journals-may-be-unraveling
Our very own sciencemag writes up the “questions swirling around the Lancet paper”
Madagascar, home of the wormwood tea cure (artemisin annua), is showing a total of just 6 deaths on Worldometer. It’s also used in Chinese medicine.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-madagascar-green-gold-covid-africa.html
https://cen.acs.org/biological-chemistry/infectious-disease/Artemisinin-raises-hopes-fears-amid-COVID-19/98/i21
It’s normally used against Malaria but people are drinking loads of bottles of the tea there now for Covid 19.
googling on it led to salinomycin, also against malaria – known to kill plasmodium fast https://aac.asm.org/content/59/9/5135 and also used to target cancer cells, nothing comes up on salinomycin vs. covid19
Sabbir Rahman says:
Given the obvious problems with this study, it is hard to see how it passed peer review unless the journal itself was complicit, together with the lead author, in promoting the conclusion that HCQ is harmful. The fact that a competent body such as the WHO would immediately publicise the results so widely despite its obvious flaws also strongly suggests complicity.
Of all the drugs undergoing trials it would be strange that there would be such a concerted effort to prevent HCQ from being investigated properly unless it was somehow considered a threat. That could only be the case if (i) it genuinely constituted a significant danger to the public – which seems highly unlikely as it is a well-known drug that has been administered safely for decades, or (ii) if HCQ is actually likely to be efficacious – and indeed a number of smaller scales studies have shown this to be the case when it is administered in combination with zinc supplements in an appropriate way.
Now, the second of these two possibililties would clearly be to the considerable benefit of the general public in terms of saving lives, and the only reason that it could possibly be considered a threat by the parties concerned is if they were acting on behalf of entities who would be affected negatively should drugs such as HCQ be found to be effective and come into widespread use.
It is fairly clear that the only parties that would be negatively effected by widespread use of HCQ as an effective treatment for COVID-19 would be the profit-driven pharmaceutical companies, organisations and high-net-worth individuals who stand to gain significantly from sale of newer drugs or vaccines which are still under patent. Effective treatments for COVID-19 through repurposing of low cost generics would pose a considerable financial threat to this promising source of income.
The lead author of the article, Professor Mandeep Mehra, whose research is funded by pharmaceutical companies, certainly does not shy away from making his bias against the use of HCQ clear on his LinkedIn page, or that Bill Gates is one of his key influencers. In addition, besides contributions from individual goverments (no longer the US), the WHO receives its greatest funding contributions from the two largest pro-vaccine organisations, namely the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (which is now its largest single source of funding) and the GAVI Alliance – whose founding partners include the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, UNICEF, the WHO itself and the World Bank, and whose broader alliance includes the pharmaceutical industry.
It does not require a great deal of analytical thought to recognise the corruption that must be going on here. The pharmaceutical industry and the vaccine lobby appear to have leading academics, top journals and even global health organisations in their back pockets, and corporate and individual greed is being given priority over the preservation of human life.
Oh look , the old hop skip and conspiracy jump to evil pharma and Bill Gates having secret HCQ suppressing discussions. I would ask for evidence but you’ll trot out some epochtimes video or a screenshot of a patent from the SARs days. Perhaps best to go shout in your other echo chambers?
How about this one from a few days ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYgiCALEdpE
May 24, 2020: Philippe Douste-Blazy, Cardiology MD, Former France Health Minister and 2017 candidate for Director at WHO, former Under-Secretary-General of the United Nations, reveals that in a recent 2020 Chattam House closed door meeting, both the editors of the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine stated their concerns about the criminal pressures of BigPharma on their publications. Things are so bad that it is not science any longer.
Shawn Sague says:
Statement from The Lancet
Today, three of the authors of the paper, “Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis”, have retracted their study. They were unable to complete an independent audit of the data underpinning their analysis. As a result, they have concluded that they “can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources.” The Lancet takes issues of scientific integrity extremely seriously, and there are many outstanding questions about Surgisphere and the data that were allegedly included in this study. Following guidelines from the Committee on Publication Ethics (COPE) and International Committee of Medical Journal Editors (ICMJE), institutional reviews of Surgisphere’s research collaborations are urgently needed.
The retraction notice is published today, June 4, 2020. The article will be updated to reflect this retraction shortly.
Great news! “When the false falls away on the truth remain.” = Science.
Sorry . ‘When the false falls away only the truth remains.”
[I posted this elsewhere but will copy here FYI]
Now that we have some more information, a significant clue as to what may be going on is the failure by Professor Mehra and the Lancet to disclose a clear conflict of interest, namely that Gilead Sciences currently has two ongoing trials of its COVID-19 drug Remdesivir being carried out at Brigham & Women’s Hospital, of which Mehra is a Director:
https://www.brighamhealthonamission.org/2020/03/26/two-remdesivir-clinical-trials-underway-at-brigham-and-womens-hospital/
Hydroxychloroquine is of course in direct competition with Remdesivir as a treatment for COVID-19 so this failure to disclose should immediately start ringing alarm bells. It clearly begs the question as to whether Gilead may have had any involvement in the preparation of the retracted Lancet article or had perhaps instigated it.
The other missing piece of the puzzle relates to the source of the raw data. Given that Surgisphere seems to have had insufficient resources to fabricate such a large dataset without additional help, it would be worthwhile looking into whether perhaps a pharmaceutical company – again Gilead being the natural first candidate given the circumstances – could have been the actual source of the data.
I do not think that the various parties involved with study should be allowed to simply make their apologies and quietly disappear into the background. Many lives are at stake here, and a in-depth investigation is called for in order to establish what really happened.
Like most of us, I do not know how effective HCQ is when used in various combinations and contexts. However, it is perhaps possible that many of us are unaware of quite how large a number of people around the world have been taking, and indeed continue to take HCQ despite the WHO’s warnings against its use. If it were not showing considerable efficacy, I seriously doubt that so many countries would have insisted on continuing to use it.
For example, Prof Mehra on his LinkedIn page “likes” the comment by his Harvard Medical School colleague Haider Warriach praising the article Mehra et al just published in JAMA by his entitled “Prescription Fill Patterns for Commonly Used Drugs During the COVID-19 Pandemic in the United States” where they show that there were a staggering 483,425 excess fills of HCQ prescriptions during the 10-week period from 16 February to 25 April 2020 as compared with the previous year. Note that Mehra also “likes” Daniel Goldstein’s comment that “WHO halting enrollment of patients into the HCQ/CQ arm of the large SOLIDARITY trial based on potential harm data published on 5/22/20 in Lancet by Mandeep Mehra, MD FRCP et al.”, so it is clear that he was rather pleased with this outcome of his paper, and it is fairly safe to assume that he is not pleased by the very large number of people currently taking HCQ, which is why he was so keen to highlight this fact in his JAMA paper:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2766773
And that is just in the US. In India, “all healthcare workers in hospitals and some frontline staff” dealing with COVID-19 continue to be administered with HCQ, despite WHO’s advice, because they are seeing “no harm” and potential benefits from its use as a prophylactic:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-india-hydroxychloroquine-virus.html
In Brazil, which currently has the highest growth rate in COVID-19 cases worldwide, they are also continuing to recommend HCQ as the default treatment in defiance of the WHO, though the matter has now become highly politicised there:
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/brazil-stands-by-hydroxychloroquine-despite-who-12769190
Turkey “has made significant progress in treating coronavirus patients in the early stages of the disease with the controversial malaria drug hydroxychloroquine”, with the proportion of coronoavirus cases registered with pneumonia dropping from 60% on 24th March to 19.5% on 6th April. Needless to say, Turkey has also insisted on continuing the use of HCQ despite the WHO’s concerns:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/coronavirus-turkey-hydroxychloroquine-malaria-treatment-progress
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-turkey-lancet-study-who-trial
In South Korea, HCQ has been one of the preferred treatments according to physician guidlines since at least February. In a retrospective study by Samsung Medical Centran and PNU of the use of HCQ as a prophylactic, of 184 patients and 21 care workers who had been exposed to COVID-19 at a long-term care hospital where massive COVID-19 infections were reported, 100% of those treated tested negative for the virus after a 14-day quarantine period. Amusingly, they were not able to prove that HCQ is effective for the prevention of COVID-19,” as there was no adequate control group:
http://www.koreabiomed.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=7428
https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200422003500320
In Algeria, Dr. Mohamed Bekkat, a member of the Scientific Committee monitoring the evolution of the COVID-19 pandemic, said that,, “We have treated thousands of cases with this drug with great success to date. And we have not noted any adverse reactions”, and “We have not recorded any deaths related to the use of (hydroxy)chloroquine”. Algeria is continuing to use HCQ despite the WHO’s decision to suspend clinical trials:
https://www.africanews.com/2020/05/27/covid-19-treatment-algeria-to-continue-using-hydroxychloroquine/
It is the same story in Morocco:
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/morocco-health-minister-uses-chloroquine-despite-who-warnings–20200528-0008.html
Honduras has also been using HCQ as their default treatment for COVID-19. According to an article appearing on 5th May, the Honduran health minister ‘insists that patients who were treated with hydroxychloroquine in four different hospitals have responded satisfactorily, and that doctors have been using this treatment plan for over a month now’, and has stated that, “Hydroxychloroquine is used to treat malaria and will not cause harm to anyone, because doctors take extra care when treating patients with heart problems”:
https://elfaro.net/en/202005/internacionales/24389/Honduran-President-Echoing-Trump-Promotes-Unproven-Treatment-for-COVID-19.htm
El Salvador had also been using HCQ as the default treatment until the WHO recommendation against it was announced. Rather interestingly, El Salvador’s Bukele questions why world leaders are being told to take HCQ [by who, exactly?] while the public is being warned away from it:
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/why-el-salvadors-bukele-says-world-leaders-being-told-to-take-hydroxychloroquine-while-public-is-warned-away-from-it
Russia continues to stand by use of HCQ, and according to the Health Ministry, “domestic experience indicates the validity of the use of hydroxychloroquine when it is prescribed in certain groups of patients with COVID-19 in low doses”:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/06/01/as-russian-officials-back-hydroxychloroquine-doctors-take-matters-into-their-own-hands-a70435
Although some countries such as Italy, Belgium, France, Portugal, Egypt Tunisia, Colombia, Chile, Cape Verde, Albania and Bosnia have suspended use of HCQ on the basis of the WHO’s recommendations based upon the dubious Lancet study, many other countries that have had positive experiences with HCQ have retained it on their the list of approved drugs for the treatment of COVID-19 or for clinical trials despite the WHO’s recommendations against it:
https://www.independent.co.ug/uganda-records-good-results-treating-covid-with-hydroxychloroquine-chloroquine/
https://www.newsfirst.lk/2020/04/30/sri-lankas-2-3rd-of-covid-19-positive-patients-asymptomatic/
http://www.govmu.org/English/News/Pages/Mauritius-maintains-use-of-hydroxychloroquine-as-a-Covid-19-treatment.aspx
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1662476/middle-east
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/bahrain-hydroxychloroquine-success-response-covid-19
https://www.romaniajournal.ro/society-people/health/sandoz-donates-100-000-units-hydroxychloroquine-to-romania/
https://www.theafricareport.com/25416/to-fight-coronavirus-burkina-faso-is-tempted-by-chloroquine/
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/394681-covid-19-nigeria-wont-suspend-hydroxychloroquine-trial-nafdac.html
Are you starting to see a pattern here or shall I go on? I had started making a list of other countries continuing to treat patients with HCQ, but it quickly became apparent that the list was going to be a rather long one.
Just as an indication of the extent to which HCQ is being tested or applied, India, which is world’s the largest manufacturer of HCQ and many other generic drugs, has exported large amounts of HCQ to at least 55 other countries, including the US, Mauritius, Seychelles, Afghanistan, Bhutan, Bangladesh Nepal, Maldives, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Zambia, Dominican Republic, Madagascar, Uganda, Burkina Faso, Niger, Mali Congo, Egypt, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Ecuador, Jamaica, Syria, Ukraine, Chad, Zimbabwe, France, Jordan, Kenya, Netherlands, Nigeria, Oman, Peru, Philippines, Russia, Slovenia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Tanzania, the United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Urugway, Columbia, Algeria Bahamas, Mauritius and the United Kingdom:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/india-sending-hydroxychloroquine-to-55-coronavirus-hit-countries/articleshow/75186938.cms?from=mdr
Perhaps all of the above evidence is merely “anecdotal”, but I think at some point one needs to draw the line and apply just a little common sense, and acknowledge that, despite the lack of clinical trials to prove it formally, HCQ has been showing considerable efficacy on the ground for some time in many countries worldwide, and as a consequence of these positive experiences, continues to be administered.
If the above information can be scraped from the internet by an amateur sleuth in a matter of a few hours, then it is stands to reason that the WHO will have a far more comprehensive understanding of the extent to which HCQ is being used worldwide and its efficacy. It is therefore not feasible that the WHO could be unaware that the outcomes of the Lancet study quite blatantly contradict the results being reported to them by the many countries worldwide actively administering HCQ, and therefore also rather hard to come up with a rational ethical justification for their blind acceptance of the conclusions of that study leading to their recommendation that clinical trials of HCQ be stopped.
The matter seems so clear that even the inevitable defense of simultaneous “incompetence” on the part of both the Lancet and the WHO cannot satisfactory explain their troubling behaviour, and given that so many lives are at stake, a detailed investigation in to what really happened is certainly warranted.
Air1 says:
Guess it’s game over now, for good. Recovery RCT:
https://www.recoverytrial.net/news/statement-from-the-chief-investigators-of-the-randomised-evaluation-of-covid-19-therapy-recovery-trial-on-hydroxychloroquine-5-june-2020-no-clinical-benefit-from-use-of-hydroxychloroquine-in-hospitalised-patients-with-covid-19
It’s a widely known fact that since losing the British-American war UK hates America and therefore Trump, so they obviously bias-rigged the trial to make him look bad. Beating Covid is definitely not as important for science as making a foreign inept leader look more inept … Also, Zinc!
Brings to mind a line from the late, missed Dave Allen: “People ask me why I don’t make jokes of politicians. The reason is that they do too good a job themselves…”
The main question of this RCT is what was the delay between onset of symptoms and the HCQ.
Yes, I think that is right. The negative results of the study really have absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump and everything to do with how hydroxychloroquine is administered in the UK.
In the UK, NHS doctors are not allowed to prescribe HCQ for COVID-19. In the hospital setting, my understanding is that HCQ is typically only administered when the disease has become severe and other medications/interventions have failed.
Of course HCQ is no longer efficacious when administered at such a late stage and instead becomes toxic. This would explain the poor outcomes reported here.
I don’t think that there is anything more to it than this. However the headline conclusion that “hydroxychloroquine ‘does not save lives” is incorrect, as the evidence available globally is that it does when taken early on and in an appropriate combination with other drugs such as azithromycin and/or zinc sulphate.
To be fair, why not also share the evidence that shows HCQ is beneficial?
Allow the doctor and patient to assess to all evidence and decide what’s best. I don’t understand sharing only one side of the story. Does withholding information save lives?
Someone’s life could be saved. Just ask Amy Klobachar about her husband:
https://videos.whatfinger.com/2020/05/21/amy-klobuchar-admits-her-husband-took-hydroxychloroquine/
There was a nice paper published just a few days ago in the American Journal of Epidemiology by Professor Harvey Risch at Yale that you might find of interest:
https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/5847586#.Xs7tRjYTCgc.twitter
“Hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin has been used as standard-of-care in more than 300,000 older adults with multicomorbidities, with estimated proportion diagnosed with cardiac arrhythmias attributable to the medications 47/100,000 users, of which estimated mortality is <20%, 9/100,000 users, compared to the 10,000 Americans now dying each week. These medications need to be widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe."
JL in Jersey says:
This seems pretty straight forward early intervention with chloroquine makes a positive difference. Staying out the hospital and the ICU are to my mind game changers. The comments for this blog are amazingly worthwhile and interesting.
I was once a frequent traveler to central Africa and was prescribed the drug. In Africa I saw advertisements for its use on infants. So I was surprised by all the recent warnings.
If hydroxychloroquine (or chloroquine) were effective early interventions, people already on them (for lupus…) would be under-represented in hospitalizations, and in deaths. That experiment was handed to us by nature. Hydroxychloroquine failed.
Najibj says:
Proof?
Agree with SABBIR RAHMAN. We maybe look, in the developed countries, at these facts as this with some disdain.
According to RAOULT : 4 milliard people are living in countries that authorised the use of HCQ
RCT already are already here, yielding contradictory results about HCQ , some shows improvement some shows no improvement.
EBM will have difficulty answering clearly the question
I don’t have any definitive opinion on efficacy of HCQ, but Health authorities is those countries have a good opinion on HCQ and are not ready to give up.
I think that HCQ prescription have to be available everywhere with the condition of real security monitoring specially arrhythmia and QTC. This apply to other medical approaches that shows some benefits on the base of simple observational trials.
In France we say “ Le doute doit bénéficier au patient” : In case of doubt , this has to benefit to patient.
Relying on the presumption of efficacy (HCQ or other products) is by far, more ethical than include vulnerable persons on RCT with the knife on the neck.
All in all , RCT should not be proposed to vulnerable or very vulnerable persons combining vulnerability with late entry after onset to a hospital with regard to the known high mortality rate here.
Stack Pointe says:
It is likely that one day, someone will estimate the number of deaths caused by refusal to use a treatment that President Trump happened to mention as “promising.”
I’m guessing 50,000 in the US.
Nope. Much of the preventable death is on Trump:
Trump waited too long to shut down travel from Europe, which seeded most of the US outbreak…less political pizzaz to shutting down travel from the supremely white countries, you know? So while Trump was rattling sabers at China, COVID poured into the country from Europe. Oops.
Trump discouraged the use of masks…one of the biggest public health blunders ever..universal masking would have done more than any drug.
Trump downplayed the threat and never initiated a national lockdown..piecemeal state by state approach..had the country locked down 1 week earlier there would have been 36K lives saved.
Trump discouraged testing so to make the numbers look better….oh, by the way…even if hydroxychloroquine worked early in the disease, many people wouldn’t benefit because they couldn’t get a timely test thanks to Trump not ramping up testing nearly enough.
Because of Trump’s sustained effort to gut the Affordable Care Act, more people are uninsured and thus couldn’t get care until forced to go to the hospital. If the courts listened to his “promising” idea to overturn the ACA, that would be millions more unable to access any care…like a doctor to prescribe your precious hydroxychloroquine.
If you think Hydroxychloroquine could have saved 50K lives, then the deaths are the result of Trump refusing to get a legitimate early-stage trial of Zelenko’s system done by now. Oh, Fauci and the deep state stopped him, right? Oh, please. If Trump were motivated, he’d put as much effort into getting a real early-stage clinical trial as he did in trying to get a Ukrainian Biden investigation. If Dr. Trump really wanted to promote HCQ, he would have raised hell, threatened to withhold the NIH’s funding unless they studied the Zelenko system exactly…but he didn’t do that. So, either he doesn’t believe his own BS to use the levers of government to make it happen or he is weak and incompetant…which is it?
Trump let the virus ravage urban blue America. Perhaps he wasn’t kidding when he recently re-tweeted a video saying “the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat.” Clearly, the playbook going forward is to spread the BS that if only we had listened to Trump all the death (he caused) would be avoided. Spare us the crocodile tears over the dead, please!
Upon a recent méta-analyse from Raoult , most observational trials and some RCT are in favor of HCQ versus none from big data
Again most countries in the under developped countries have been using HCQ and seemed satisfied in terme of efficacy and tolerance.
Some RCT are still going on here and there hoping that they will yield something (either way )
As I said before , it is doubtfull to get a clear non contradicting results
Etude Pirnay (Pirnay trial)
Very nteresting new observational French trial under HCQ AZITHRO of old and very old persons living in nursing home (the first of its kind).
https://reader.elsevier.com/reader/sd/pii/S2211104220300771?token=FD28A2440C4E215A86D60545A4427765BAE945753C4135DAFE5073867AA0EE2BB0F8887FA56C14A7197E0E8403DBE02F
The trial includes 68 residents with a medium age of 86 years, early treated with HCQ –Azithro within 2.5 days of onset of symptoms (Raoult protocol)
Cardiac tolerance : 2 QTC prolongation (treatement stopped)
Only 7 (10.3%) died within the experimental periode (same as median death for the same periode in 2019, 2018) compared to 20-30% median « above everage » death in old peaple homes in France. The delta here is then around is 10 versus 30-40%.
Even if it is not an RCT, still this delta is amasing
It is the first trial of its kind includin
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly in COVID-19 Patients, Henry Ford Health System Study Shows
In a large-scale retrospective analysis of 2,541 patients hospitalized between March 10 and May 2, 2020 across the system’s six hospitals, the study found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine alone died compared to 26.4% not treated with hydroxychloroquine. None of the patients had documented serious heart abnormalities; however, patients were monitored for a heart condition routinely pointed to as a reason to avoid the drug as a treatment for COVID-19.
Keep in mind the age distributions in the different cohorts and their likelihood of simultaneous steroid treatment.
And the keep in mind they didn’t start as early as possible and still no zinc.
Imagine if they really designed a study to start HCQ at the proper dose ( no the crazy high doses uses in other studies) as early as possible and measure zinc levels and supplement with zinc and and arm with or without Azithromycin. We would have even better outcomes.
ghost of q.mensch says:
@ Nick: perhaps you would be interested in this comment #54 by Island girl on Chris Martenson’s peak prosperity blog : “Where’s the zinc [?]”
https://www.peakprosperity.com/covid-19-half-a-million-dead-and-rising/#comment-690936
Multi million $ Gain of Function grant awardee virologist researcher Ralph S. Barac published way back in 2010 that Zn+2/ionophores (ie HCQ, CQ, quercetin, flavinoids etc) inhibited CV replicase activities in cell culture and in vitro, but never thought to mention it, in the interests of public health, once the pandemic hit, and the HCQ/Zn politicized science scrum raged over the last few months.
“After re-reading the Henry Ford Hospital Study this morning and noting no zinc was used, I started a literature search on Zinc and ionophores. This paper caught my eye. Back in 2010, Ralph S. Baric and other coronavirus researchers studied the potential for Zn and ionophores to block viral replication in vitro and in cell culture. That’s 10 years ago
What first suprised me was how old these data are. We’ve known this for a long time. But then what caught my eye and startled me was the author list. Ralph Baric.
In 2015, Ralph S. Baric and his protege, Shi Zheng Li from Wuhan Institute of Virology, among others, published their creation of a chimeric SARS virus with S protein adapted for greater infectivity and morbidity – part of the gain of function research program:
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 ” [ …]
Great info! Thank you
The fundamental problem with adding zinc ionophores to the body resides in excess Zn(II)’s toxicity to the cell and induction of apoptosis. Free Zn(II) is promiscuous in the cell and binds to and/or inhibits a great many targets. This is why free zinc levels are so low. Finally, I do not believe HCQ was used in the 2010 paper you cited but was used in a 2014 paper which also shows a high degree of activation of apoptotic associates proteins..
Keep in mind the Henry Ford study found a significant mortality risk to being white (yeah, yeah, queue up all the bad Detroit jokes), but to my knowledge any effect like this would be extremely weak–even in the Michigan state demographics, the percentage of white deaths is similar to the percentage of white diagnosed cases. This is also true in several other states I’ve looked at, although the number of “unknown race” people might hide a smallish effect.
As noted by many others, the Henry Ford study found no benefit to steroid or tocilizumab, whereas more powerful and trustworthy prospective RCTs have indicated those are significantly beneficial.
Also, the Henry Ford study “no-treatment” cohort were more likely to die, but less likely to be in the ICU and less likely to be put on a ventilator. That’s a little non-intuitive, don’t you think, if they were more sick because they weren’t getting this life-saving drug?
I don’t know why the Henry Ford study had these oddities–that’s the trouble with retrospective studies, they can be fooled more easily by unmeasured, uncontrolled systematic biases (not necessarily human bias, mind you, but factors that skew the results and you may not have known to control for them). If you look at Figure 2, the number of patients at risk (and the number of patients still hospitalized), is much lower at every time point for the no-treatment cohort. Deaths alone cannot account for that, there must have been more drop-outs in the no-treatment cohort? But they claimed to have few drop-outs. I don’t know how to reconcile those numbers.
The recent NY Mount Sinai 8 hospitals large retrospective cohort seems to indicate a clear HCQ effect (the clearest HR among all the risk factors they studied) . It seems more and more hard to beleive that cumulative and concording results from many retrospective huge cohort are just the fruite of miscalculations.
NY Mount Sinai 8 hospitals large retrospective cohort seems to indicate a clear HCQ effect (the clearest HR among all the risk factors they studied) . It seems more and more hard to beleive that cumulative and concording results from many retrospective sometime huge cohort are just the fruite of miscalculations.
Here is a recent July 8 quite comprehensive review of the highly politicized saga of HCQ in Covid19. Touches upon the fake data/fake science of the retracted Surgisphere-Lancet paper, the dosage screw-ups (“I thought HCQ was the antiamoebic dysentery 8-OH-quinoline drug class) of the Oxford-Martin Landray RECOVERY trial, and the NIAID-VA “Mostly Blacks At death’s door” study.
https://theduran.com/hydroxychloroquine-and-fake-news/
Conclusions: Risk stratification-based treatment of COVID-19 outpatients as early as possible after symptom onset with the used triple therapy, including the combination of zinc with low dose hydroxychloroquine, was associated with significantly less hospitalizations and 5 times less all-cause deaths.
https://www.palmerfoundation.com.au/zelenko-study-covid-19-outpatients-early-risk-stratified-treatment-with-zinc-plus-low-dose-hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-a-retrospective-case-series-study/
Not only won’t hydroxychloroquine cure your Covid19; it could kill you
cardiac toxicity of hydroxychloroquine in COVID-19
Christian Funck-Brentano
Lee S Nguyen
Joe-Elie Salem
Published:July 09, 2020DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)31528-2
Chloroquine, but not hydroxychlorquine, prolongs the QT interval in a primary care population
Conclusions: In subjects free of COVID-19, we found a small increase in QTc associated with use of chloroquine, but not hydroxychloroquine. We found no increased mortality associated with use of hydroxychloroquine.
You can reduce the chance of QT prolongation buy take OTC potassium supplement.
Normalization of Acquired QT Prolongation in Humans by Intravenous Potassium
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/01.cir.96.7.2149
6 positive HCQ studies released? Yes! :Elizabeth Lee Vliet MD
https://www.palmerfoundation.com.au/6-positive-hcq-studies-released-yes-elizabeth-lee-vliet-md/
Well, the Henry Ford study was bogus. The people who got HCQ fared better, but was it due to the HCQ? It might have been due to the high dose steroids that they also received. Remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. The Henry Ford retrospective study was hardly any proof at all. And Zev Zevenko? I’d like to see his office notes, because 2,200 patients in 4 months? Look, if you see the patient 4 times (one to first see them, a second time to go over the results of the tests and explain their treatment, a third office visit to make sure they were getting better and a fourth to make sure they had returned to normal health), then 2,200 patient makes….. goodness….8,800 visits. Over 18 weeks that’s about 480 visits a week or almost 100 office visits a day. You really think that he is capable of that? Never stopped to think about that, did you? And the other 4 studies? Well, there was no reference to them and I sure have not heard about them. Are they as bad as the other studies?
It could be concluded that spectrum of COVID-19 mostly affects young adult age group (third to fifth decades of life), a finding that contrasts with documentations from other countries. The percentage of male gender to be afflicted with COVID-19 was more. Majority of patients (nearly three-fourth) of COVID-19 disease were asymptomatic at the time of diagnosis and presentation. Symptomatic presentation was more common in old age population. Infectivity was higher in patients who had underlying co morbid diseases especially with multiple co morbid diseases. The average recovery time from COVID-19 was 8 days with effective treatment. Mortality in COVID-19 was higher in old age population, male gender, symptomatic and in patients with co-existing co morbid conditions. Most of mortality was noted within in few days of admission suggestive of early mortality due to primary disease. The recovery percentage was lowest with recovery duration being maximum in critically ill patients and the opposite trending was observed in asymptomatic patients on HCQ treatment. It was observed that putative definitive management protocol with HCQ enhances the chances of early recovery, modulating the overall mortality profile of COVID-19.
The limitations of the study include its small sample population size with lack of complete follow-up. Ethical approval: Approval was not required.
https://www.japi.org/v2c474c4/characteristics-treatment-outcomes-and-role-of-hydroxychloroquine-among-522-covid-19-hospitalized-patients-in-jaipur-city-an-epidemio-clinical-study
You can’t bundle up a hundred piles of crap studies and produce good data. It is quite possible, likely even given the poor quality of the studies you are eagerly accepting, and your bias in looking only for studies that confirm your ideas, that every one of these weak retrospective studies is giving you the wrong answer. Or, perhaps more accurately because they often tell you straight out they cannot give you an answer, you are deriving the wrong answer from the tea leaves at the bottom of your cup.
What to make of this study?
“COVID19 PCR Tests are Scientifically Meaningless – Though the whole world relies on RT-PCR to “diagnose” Sars-Cov-2 infection, the science is clear: they are not fit for purpose” by Torsten Engelbrecht and Konstantin Demeter
They say that PCR is meant for replication not for diagnosis. It tests RNA, and how can we be sure this RNA comes from Covid19.
They also seem to say that Sars Cov 2 has never been isolated. Whoa. Are the authors questioning if it even exists?
If it doesn’t exist then what has been going on? Maybe just old sick people dying from a bad flu and worse nursing home conditions?
I’m not sure the authors are just demolishing the testing procedure, or outright questioning the existence of the “presumed” novel virus.
Googling on isolation purification of sars-cov-2 the top hit is “Structure, Function, and Antigenicity of the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Glycoprotein” in Cell (Walls et al, 1000+ citations, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2020.02.058 )
It mentions isolates and purification batches.
Too bad. I kind of liked the idea of a world wide hoax. We’ve been given so much conflicting information about it that its non-existence could be the most parsimonious explanation.
Short of that, the authors do seem to score some direct hits.
I’d like to get your take on this hydroxychloroquine study, https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext, that was just done in the Henry Ford Health System and written up in the International Journal of Infectious Disease. The findings are: “Hydroxychloroquine provided a 66% hazard ratio reduction, and hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin 71% compared to neither treatment (p < 0.001)."
Look at the age differences between the cohorts and the likelihood that they got dexamethasone treatment.
Thanks for the response. I took another look at the study and, if anything, it looks like the HCQ+AZM cohort is older than the control group. Also, steroid usage is tracked, although, admittedly more of the HCQ+AZM users received steroids than did the control group and the control group was small. Nevertheless, HCQ+AZM seems to have a far greater effect on the hazard ratio than does the steroid.
Hydroxychloroquine could save up to 100,000 lives if used for COVID-19: Yale epidemiology professor
One study found that early administration of hydroxychloroquine makes hospitalized patients substantially less likely to die
https://www.foxnews.com/media/hydroxychloroquine-could-save-lives-ingraham-yale-professor
It’s called the “fallacy of authority”. You indicate that since Reich is a Yale Professor that he must be correct. Well, I don’t believe it for a minute. Even a Yale professor can fall into the trap of believing something that is not true. Do the Randomized Clinical trial and the we can talk.
lisa callahan says:
Why would anybody lie about what is helping their patients??? Why are we so hell bent on proving them wrong? Why the “Jihad” on hydroxychloroquine??? It is seriously mind boggling to me. What advantage does someone have prescribing a $12 treatment? I’d take it in a minute if I start feeling ill…while I wait for some wonky vaccine.
Thanks fro the update. This drug has the capacity to save a hundred of millions of people around the world so what do we have to lose?
An Old Chemist says:
The following website lists over 100 studies published to date on HCQ and Covid-19:
https://c19study.com/
These studies have been classified into four categories depending on the timing of the HCQ treatment:
PrEP – used as pre-exposure prophylaxis
PEP – used as post-exposure prophylaxis
Early – patient treated at an early stage of Covid-19
Late – patient treated at a late stage
Note that all the studies that produced negative results were for the late treatment. For all other stages of treatment (PrEP, PEP, and Early), nearly all the studies show positive results for HCQ.
If a new and patented drug (like Remdesivir) had produced so many positive studies, it would have been promoted by the US media as the greatest wonder drug of the 21st century.
Incidentally, delayed approval of HCQ by the FDA may be costing thousands of Americans their lives.
https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/07/fda-delays-on-hcq-cost-potentially-16000-lives-this-month/
I thought that with the Surgisphere debacle, that ivermectin was dead, but apparently not.
If this is true, then there have been some very positive results with ivermectin using triple therapy. Here is an article describing the experience by Dr. Thomas Borody.
https://www.biospectrumasia.com/news/91/16457/australian-develops-effective-triple-therapy-to-treat-covid-19.html
By the way, Derek, your time limit on your Akismet settings is too severe. It’s almost always triggered.
gusbag says:
Here’s another RCT for early HCQ treatment, with Zinc even! Unfortunately, just like other more reputable studies it shows no real benefit for Covid :(.
https://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-events/early-treatment-mild-covid-19-university-minnesota-trial-shows-hydroxychloroquine-has-no
Not so early after all. Waited for test results before enrollment. After that treatment was shipped. 70-140 hours post symptom onset.
Not so early after all.
3 August, 2020 at 11:58 pm
Amazing how much has happened since this article was posted. The main thing being that the Lancet has to retract the article regarding HCQ not working and having serious side effects. Turns out the company doing the research “Surgisphere” was less than trustworthy.
How many people have died or will die because of Trump derangement syndrome.
Bob TM says:
Do you really think that entire developed world’s doctors and scientists would ignore a cheap and available medicine just because an angry old man across the pond is promoting it? He may well be the centre of the universe for his fans, but he’s seen only as a bit of a clown outside Americas.
Myself and everyone I know wants HCQ to work, but its hard to argue for it when every reputable RCT shows it as ineffective.
The minute we have reputable double-blind RCT that shows it as effective I will gladly admit my scepticism was wrong.
David E. Young, MD replied to: https://www.foxnews.com/media/hydroxychloroquine-could-save-lives-ingraham-yale-professor:
“It’s called the “fallacy of authority”. You indicate that since Reich is a Yale Professor that he must be correct.”
Or maybe he said Laura Ingraham is not an authority so it is correct?
I was bemused to see HCQ haters now bringing up the authority fallacy, since they usually spend their time genuflecting to authoritarian idols, like Grouchy Fauci or Gruesome Newsom.
This anomaly gives greater insight into the workings of politically correct science / Neo-Lysenkoism.
1. Do not look at the data, look only at the conclusions and the author.
2. If you agree with the Conclusion, then the author is an Authority and it should be believed.
3. If you disagree with the Conclusion then it should not be believed, because the author is not an authority, or if they are one, it is the authority fallacy to believe it.
Such a Science Authority as Forbes magazine has now beautifully formulated a canonical version of the “new” doctrine. By Astrophysics PhD Ethan Siegel, author of a book on the Big Bang and thus presumably the Expert on everything that proceeded therefrom and since.
Siegel / Forbes have promulgated the 11th commandment:
“You Must Not ‘Do Your Own Research’ When It Comes To Science”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/07/30/you-must-not-do-your-own-research-when-it-comes-to-science/#5d793d50535e
““Research both sides and make up your own mind.” It’s simple, straightforward, common sense advice. And when it comes to issues like vaccinations, climate change, and the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, it can be dangerous, destructive, and even deadly.”
(Or when it comes to any other controversial issue of course.)
Siegelforbes goes on to give only one side of the story about those issues, using the straw man fallacy to misrepresent the concerns of dissidents.
No talking back aloud there.
“Why everyone was wrong” about SarsCov2,
By Beda Stadler, former director of the Institute for Immunology at the University of Bern, a biologist and professor emeritus. https://medium.com/@vernunftundrichtigkeit/coronavirus-why-everyone-was-wrong-fce6db5ba809
Main Points –
Firstly, it was wrong to claim that this virus was novel. Secondly, It was even more wrong to claim that the population would not already have some immunity against this virus. Thirdly, it was the crowning of stupidity to claim that someone could have Covid-19 without any symptoms at all or even to pass the disease along without showing any symptoms whatsoever.
this so-called novel virus is very strongly related to Sars-1 as well as other beta-coronaviruses which make us suffer every year in the form of colds
the entire world simply claimed that there was no immunity, but in reality, nobody had a test ready to prove such a statement
34 % of people in Berlin who had never been in contact with the Sars-CoV-2 virus showed nonetheless T-cell immunity against it
if we do a PCR corona test on an immune person, it is not a virus that is detected, but a small shattered part of the viral genome.
It is likely that a large number of the daily reported infection numbers are purely due to viral debris.
I recommend reading John P A Ioannidis’ latest work in which he describes the global situation based on data on May 1st 2020: People below 65 years old make up only 0.6 to 2.6 % of all fatal Covid cases. To get on top of the pandemic, we need a strategy merely concentrating on the protection of at-risk people over 65. If that’s the opinion of a top expert, a second lockdown is simply a no-go.
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Outpatient Study Finds that Early Use of Zinc, Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin Is Associated with Less Hospitalizations and Death
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/newly-published-outpatient-study-finds-that-early-use-of-zinc-hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-is-associated-with-less-hospitalizations-and-death-301094237.html
Beneficial effects exerted by hydroxychloroquine in treating COVID-19 patients via protecting multiple organs
Impact of medical care including anti-infective agents use on the prognosis of COVID-19 hospitalized patients over time
Re: Impact of medical care including anti-infective agents use on the prognosis of COVID-19 hospitalized patients over time
Data rich Chinese study of 2882 patients. Those given HCQ had significantly better outcomes.
550 were in critical condition. of these the group given HCQ had a death rate of 19% while those without HCQ (NHCQ group) had a death rate of 48%
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7406960/pdf/11427_2020_Article_1782.pdf
Professional skeptics will scoff that it’s a Chinese study I guess.
They are blinded by their ego! Thank for all you post.
Effectiveness of Hydroxychloroquine in COVID-19 disease: A done and dusted situation?
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30600-7/fulltext
Jim Parkin says:
Coming back to this. Have you seen this sting article in a predatory journal?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343671758_SARS-CoV-2_was_Unexpectedly_Deadlier_than_Push-scooters_Could_Hydroxychloroquine_be_the_Unique_Solution
SARS-CoV-2 was Unexpectedly Deadlier than Push-scooters: Could Hydroxychloroquine be the Unique Solution?
Now retracted due to “serious scientific fraud” as opposed to showing up the journal.
*Very* pointed criticism
The whole paper is gold.
In a pre-test phase, we asked each participant in the treatment group to roll 500m in a straight line on a push-scooter. Participants who fell or died during the pre-test were reallocated to our control group (two falls, one death). It emulates the original Hydroxychloroquine paper in other parts as well…
@Derek . Just to let you know I really appreciate you let people with different views post. I post about SOD, GSG and NAC supplements – COULD- POSSIBLE HELP- with organ damage and listed link to support. My comment was removed. So thank you for allowing discussion!
Removed from different site , not yours.
https://c19study.com/#early
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Astounding what amount has occurred since this article was posted. The primary concern is that the Lancet needs to withdraw the article with respect to HCQ not working and having genuine reactions. Turns out the organization doing the examination “Surgisphere” was under reliable.
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The second the Impeached Imbecile expressed the word hydroxychloroquine the whole world ought to have realized this was an all out trick.
Your TDS is showing. Impeding your critical faculties. You should take up basketweaving to calm your nerves.
Pro tip: Hydroxychloroquine advocacy has nothing to do with Trump.
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Jack Bauer – A shadow of his former kick–ass self
Oh Jack Bauer, how much I loved you in the old days when you were blonde and had a daughter that kissed you goodnight and a wife who wasn’t, you know, dead.
I started watching Season 1 of ‘24’ again yesterday. The wave of nostalgia emanating from the TV screen was awe-inspiring. Remember the days of Standard Definition? Of dodgy sound editing? Of bad haircuts?
Remember when 24 was actually good?
The experience was depressing. Because it made me remember just how face-crunchingly abysmal 24 has become. We’re now on Season 7, and the show should be on a life-support machine.
Every plot twist is recycled from an earlier season. Even characters Just. Won’t. DIE. and keep making miraculous returns, presumably to cut down on the need for casting directors.
But worst of all, the show just doesn’t know where it’s going, what it’s doing or what it’s about.
Villains come and go faster than Jack can say ‘sonofabitch’. Their dastardly plan changes from one minute to the next. Civilians die in their hundreds and the fictional CNN seems to forget about it ten minutes later. And Jack has to defeat his arch enemy Every Fricking Hour just to keep the audience happy.
Well I’m not an American simpleton with a thirst for blood and a desire for Jack to win every round.
There is literally a scene in the first episode of that first season when a character tells Jack exactly what will happen for the whole season. Terrorists will try and kill a Presidential Candidate. That’s it.
Now, the writers would be hard pressed to sustain an idea that simple for ten minutes, let alone 24 hours.
In Season 1, Jack had a team. Yes, two of them were moles, but he had relationships with people. Now he is, to quote Judi Dench’s M, a “blunt instrument”.
24 was revolutionary, and not just because of the way it was told in real-time. It led to hundreds of drama serials which rejected the traditional one-episode, one-story format of CSI, ER and Law & Order. Lost and Prison Break were just two of the more successful attempts to tell one story across six months of television.
And it was also the show that gave us hacksaw decapitations.
24’s not just a lurking shadow of its former self.
It’s as blunt as a spoon.
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Pluck off, Tesco.
Not everything about Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall’s “Chicken Out” campaign is perfect.
Getting people to pay more for the same amount of food is a tough ask, especially in a recession.
And he’s only ever persuaded the ‘working class’ to swap to better quality chickens by showing them the inside of a chicken shed.
But last night’s one-off update on his campaign made me pretty angry at my own supermarket-of-choice, Tesco.
Anyone who watched the original series will know they were less than helpful in providing an on-screen interview.
Last night, he finally got one, but it was with Tesco PR woman Darshini David. A former BBC business presenter, she came across abysmally. I suspect her job is mostly to be Tesco’s TV ‘face’, and if last night was anything to go on, she’s rubbish at it.
She claimed Tesco are ‘leading the way’ on chicken welfare.
No, they clearly are not. Sainsbury’s, the Co-op and Waitrose are light-years ahead of them, and it’s clear for anyone to see.
Why won’t Tesco admit on its packaging that chickens are grown indoors (instead of using subtle, yet blatant, marketing speak to imply otherwise)? Darshini: “We don’t want to patronise them”.
Is the nutritional information section patronising? No.
Is it patronising to give us a choice between ‘Free Range Eggs’ and ‘Barn Eggs’? Apparently not.
Is Darshini David patronising? You betcha.
The point Hugh F-W should have made in the interview (but sadly didn’t) is that many people are only aware of Britain’s chicken welfare standards because they’ve seen his show or read newspaper articles related to it.
Unfortunately that’s a very small majority of the British population. Only 2.5 million people watched last night’s show. I would imagine more than half of last night’s viewers were middle-class people who probably read The Guardian or The Independent.
So what of the other 57.5m people in the UK? Tesco doesn’t want to patronise them, but they don’t mind if they’re in complete ignorance either.
I’m seriously tempted to shop elsewhere having seen last night’s arrogant and disgraceful performance.
: 27 Jan 2009 12:24 | Tags: Channel 4 Chickens Food Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall Television Tesco | Comments (6) | Close comments | Report a problem
Doing things differently… some of the time
Writing about web page http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2009/01/27/intv.obama.arabiya.alarabiya
President Obama is certainly doing things differently. His first broadcast interview was with Dubai-based Al-Arabiya, one of the most watched TV channels in the Middle East.
Watching it though, there were a few parallels with the past.
He often listens to a question, and begins his answer with “Well what I think is important is this…”
Mr Obama’s message to the Muslim world is that America’s now listening.
As an interviewee, not so much.
: 27 Jan 2009 10:26 | Tags: Al-Arabiya Interview Journalism Middle East Politics President Obama Television United States | Comments (0) | Close comments | Report a problem
The future of news… BYOB
Time for a gaze into my crystal ball.
I think I’ve seen the future of television news… and it’s called BYOB.
Nothing to do with beer, though. It’s my acronym for Build Your Own Bulletin.
The more TV news bulletins I watch, the more frustrated I get. There’s next to never any technology news, increasingly little foreign affairs and too much speculative ‘cure for cancer’ health news.
TV news is also frustrating because I’ve got a fair idea how expensive it is to produce. The number of people sat in a room behind Huw Edwards or Fiona Bruce would beggar belief. Running a 24-hour news channel is a mammoth undertaking. BBC News 24 costs somewhere between £40-50m per year, Sky News a little less.
So, what’s the alternative?
Rather than a linear, 24-hour operation with 30-minute showcase ‘bulletins’ at regular intervals, the televisual equivalent of RSS feeds. Seamlessly stitched together in a Flash video (like BBC iPlayer), a series of news reports, pre-recorded two-ways and interviews selected according to your tastes. You choose the type of story you’re interested in (UK, Politics, Health, Sport) and rank them according to importance. Then a broadcaster (let’s call it the BBC) makes stories for each of those categories, and ranks them according to their editorial importance. Some sort of algorithm works out how to order your news bulletin, and with the help of some recorded studio links for each piece, a 5, 15 or 30 minute news bulletin is delivered to your computer screen or TV. The unfussy could just choose a generic ‘top stories’ bulletin.
The best bit of all of this is the cheap method of distribution means there’s more money to go out and do journalism. Lengthy news packages might come back into fashion, and consumers would have far greater choice. Imagine a world where every Premiership football game has its own TV preview, every major speech in Parliament gets the analysis it deserves and every important judicial decision is explained in full.
My idea would have seemed a bit implausible a couple of years ago. But things have changed. IPTV (internet protocol television) is a reality, and works. It’s like YouTube on your telly, and it’s not sci-fi. I’ve got it at home and it’s great. It’ll be popular within a year, and widespread within five.
So after 75 years, linear TV channels could become a thing of the past. But surely the news channel, with its enormous costs, small audiences and one-size-fits-all model to news, should be the first to go.
: 02 Jan 2009 09:00 | Tags: BBC Broadcasting Future Journalism Media News Television | Comments (1) | Close comments | Report a problem
Up the Thames without a paddle
The organisers of the Boat Race look a bit silly now that ITV has, not altogether surprisingly, lost interest in broadcasting it.
They sneakily fled the BBC back in 2004, in order to try and cash in on greater sponsorship opportunities (oh, and more money).
Now, ITV’s said it’s bored of the race, which doesn’t fit with its football, football and boxing approach to sport.
It’ll almost certainly go back to the Beeb.
Barney Ronay at the Guardian reckons it shouldn’t though. He says:
Taken purely as a sporting event it’s not immediately clear why the BBC would have any interest in broadcasting the race. The perception that the crews themselves are a bunch of itinerant third-raters may be out of date; but this is still not a spectacle that demands, on its merits, to be broadcast live on terrestrial TV.
Maybe this is true.
But then it’s also true of ‘International Bowls’, the Great North Run, cross country horse prancing (I’m going to get a kick from the missus for that one), and if we’re honest, any kind of rowing full-stop.
And yet, how many millions stayed up until 2am to watch Pinsent and Redgrave?
How many millions watch the London Marathon as if it’s not just pictures of sweaty people jogging?
TV sport has never been about showing events that are entertaining or exciting. Just look at bowls.
At least in its brevity, the Boat Race offers a Red Bull shot of sporting aggression and 100% effort.
Which is more than can be said for darts.
: 09 Dec 2008 08:58 | Tags: Media Sport Television The Boat Race TV | Comments (0) | Close comments | Report a problem
Top Top Gear
Hats off to the producers of last night’s Top Gear. I don’t think I’ve laughed so much in ages.
Jeremy Clarkson did a proper review of the Ford Fiesta. It answered questions like:
Will it break down?
Is it economical?
Is it easy to park?
What if I go to the shopping centre and get chased by baddies in a Corvette?
What if I need to launch a beach assault with the Royal Marines?
You know, useful stuff.
Cue one of the best Top Gear films of all time. Clarkson roared around the inside of Festival Place in Basingstoke, knocking stuff all over the place. Being a bit of a dive, the mess was actually an improvement.
Watch it here (48mins in)
: 08 Dec 2008 23:10 | Tags: Basingstoke BBC Jeremy Clarkson Television Top Gear TV | Comments (3) | Close comments | Report a problem
Strangling the Kangaroo
First the BBC’s local video service. Now Project Kangaroo has been throttled by the powers-that-be.
You might not have heard of Kangaroo (its working title), but it’s basically a British iTunes for video, that was put together by the BBC, ITV and Channel 4. It would work online (like the iPlayer) and eventually through TV set-top-boxes.
Some of the programmes would be paid for by ad breaks, others would be pay-per-episode (like iTunes).
But the Competition Competition, in its infinite wisdom, has said it would restrict competition in the VoD (video-on-demand) market.
As the five-year-old child in BBC sitcom Outnumbered said last week: “Beeping, beeping, beeping, beeping, beeping, beeping, bollocks.”
Is there something with this country about throttling innovation?
I’ve got the Microsoft-powered BT Vision which is pretty good, but has some flaws that Kangaroo would rectify. For instance, there isn’t the option to watch something free, but with adverts. I’d rather do that than pay my £14 a month subscription.
And surely the presence of services like BT Vision, Tiscali TV and the Sky Player all suggest competition is already healthy? What’s more, in the case of BT Vision, the Beeb, ITV and Channel 4 are all putting their shows on there, with no indication they’ll disappear when/if Kangaroo launches.
I guess Kangaroo’s problem is that it’s too close to the BBC, ITV and C4. If an independent had made it, and licenced programmes from the broadcasters, there wouldn’t be a problem. But we’re only a small country. There aren’t the billions of dollars available to make your own iTunes unless you’re established, and in all likelihood, a broadcaster.
BBC iPlayer took aeons to happen because of competition worries and the anti-innovation mindset at the BBC Trust. It’s still not as brilliant as it could be because of arbitrary limits placed on what it’s allowed to offer.
The likely delay, or perhaps cancellation of Kangaroo, is a massive shame and says something about this country today. Skippy probably wouldn’t mind pushing the Competition Commission down a mine-shaft. And I wouldn’t blame him.
P.S. As if proof were needed that Britain’s losing its innovators, the Project Kangaroo boss, Ashley Highfield, recently left… for Microsoft.
: 03 Dec 2008 10:18 | Tags: BBC Channel 4 Itv Kangaroo Media Television Video On Demand | Comments (0) | Close comments | Report a problem
MI5, not nine–to–five
Leigh Holmwood over at The Guardian takes the words out of my mouth.
Is it just me or is this series of Spooks turning out to be the best yet?
It’s not just him. Last night’s episode was fantastic and recent ones have been brilliant too. I can’t think of one this series that has left me indifferent. It’s like a season of 24 condensed into an hour.
New-boy Richard Armitage is the only disappointment for me. He’s not been given an awful lot to say, and he’s not disarmed quite enough Russian ‘badasses’ for my liking. Maybe next year he’ll get something interesting to do. Ros Myers (Hermione Norris) is getting all the good scenes.
The series finishes, tragically, next week. It’s only eight-episodes long (previous series were ten). Leigh’s article on Organ Grinder drops a cliffhanger by suggesting the next series could also be the last. Let’s hope not! I can think of several BBC shows I’d scrap to make room in the budget for more Spooks.
Incidentally, another show well worth watching is Outnumbered – it’s probably the funniest thing on TV right now and yet no-one knows it. Semi-improvised, the stars of the show are the children.
: 02 Dec 2008 11:47 | Tags: BBC One Spooks Television TV | Comments (0) | Close comments | Report a problem
What the f**k?
Check out tonight’s Inside Out England on BBC iPlayer later.
How many people must have watched the programme through before broadcast without noticing the ‘f’ word, clear as day, five minutes in?
Lesson One: If sampling Fatboy Slim songs, don’t use this one. (They used the first five seconds of it.)
: 26 Nov 2008 19:43 | Tags: BBC Inside Out Journalism Media News Television TV | Comments (8) | Close comments | Report a problem
Pudsey's crying on the inside
Children in Need: Great cause. Appalling television.
It really is cringeworthy. It has the feeling of a show that hasn’t budged an inch in twenty years. From dancing newsreaders (I feel sick just remembering it) to D-list soap stars singing worse than Daniel off of the X Factor, it’s a constant stream of bilge.
One of the better segments – Childrens’ Masterchef – was so rushed you didn’t have time to remember who was cooking what or even who the contestants were. But of course there was time afterwards for Terry Wogan (please put him out of his misery) to patronise the children and the two judges.
The Strictly Come Dancing segment was twenty minutes of ‘so what?’ and the only real highlight – Doctor Who was over so quickly you missed it when you blinked. Merlin was unspeakably bad.
I’m not a cold-hearted old sod – the actual charity bits inbetween were as moving as ever and were far more likely to get people to pick up the phone than celebrities defecating all over their careers.
Next year, can we not have some real entertainment? Does it even need to be a studio show? And for goodness sake scrap the local segments – I don’t think anyone cares what nonsense is going on in the ‘local’ (i.e. thirty miles away) shopping centre.
: 15 Nov 2008 10:44 | Tags: BBC Children In Need Television | Comments (3) | Close comments | Report a problem
Who's next in the Tardis?
So who should fill the Doctor’s shoes now David Tennant’s revealed he’s leaving? Here’s my choices…
Julian Rhind-Tutt
Last seen as a baddie in Merlin, he’s probably better known from Green Wing. Importantly, he also went to Warwick University, which has to be a plus. He’s probably got the right balance of experience and ‘up-and-coming’ required for the role, but maybe he’d make a better bad-guy?
He ticks the Shakespeare box, he’s dressed in drag in Kinky Boots, and he’s starred opposite Russell Crowe and Denzel Washingston in American Gangster. Maybe that makes him too big a ‘star’ now. But he’s probably one of the best British actors to have emerged in the last five years, and he’s got the acting range to make the Daleks weep themselves to death.
Hans Matheson
Propelled to fame by the 2002 production of Doctor Zhivago, could he be right for Doctor Who as well? He’s been a bit quiet until a stand-out performance in the recent BBC drama Tess of the D’Urbervilles, but has the ‘look’. Like David Tennant, he’s also Scottish.
“See you in another life, brother” – or perhaps another dimension in space and time? Another Scot, he’s actually half-Peruvian. Better known as Lost’s Desmond, I think he’d be the ideal choice. He looks particularly dashing without all the island-swept hair. Dominic Monaghan, a.k.a. Charlie, would have to be his companion. One problem though – he’s tied into filming in Hawaii until early 2010, which probably rules him out.
But the universe seems to be pointing towards this man. Brilliant in State of Play alongside John Simm and Bill Nighy, he’s also starred in Derailed. His career nearly took that path after a role in Basic Instinct 2, but he seems to be okay. He’s in the forthcoming Christmas special of Doctor Who, which happens to be titled The Next Doctor, playing a character who claims to be… The Doctor.
: 30 Oct 2008 11:19 | Tags: David Tennant Doctor Who Television TV | Comments (5) | Close comments | Report a problem
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Love the last line.
: 29 Oct 2008 14:40 | Tags: 24 Jack Bauer Television Video | Comments (1) | Close comments | Report a problem
Am I bovvered, Doctor?
My initial reaction seemed to be from another TV comedy… “Are you havin’ a laugh?”
Catherine Tate’s bringing back her character Donna to be the full-time companion to Doctor Who. She was in the last Christmas special, and put in a performance that many people found slightly, well… annoying.
She screeched through most of it, and her character seemed to have been ripped straight out of her sketch show.
But having thought it over for a few hours, I’ve changed my mind. I think this could be genius casting.
Quite frankly, people were getting fed up with the Doctor/Companion having a bit of a romantic quandary, as witnessed with both Billie Piper and Freema Agyeman. Having an older character – who we know already doesn’t fancy the protagonist – will let the relationship be a bit more productive.
And, despite the vitriol you’ll read on the internet, Tate is actually a classically trained actress with some pretty serious roles behind her.
Russell T Davies, head honcho of Doctor Who, suggested in the past that Catherine Tate’s Donna was too annoying to be a permanent fixture in the series. I suspect this means he’s planning to tone her down.
So I’ll reserve judgement until the new series starts. But unless the character’s made a bit less ‘screechy’, viewers won’t be bovvered for much longer.
: 04 Jul 2007 14:34 | Tags: BBC Catherine Tate Doctor Who Television | Comments (4) | Close comments | Report a problem
Concert for Diana… what a shambles!
I didn’t intend to watch today’s Concert for Diana at Wembley Stadium, but my Mum and sister had it on, so I ended up catching bits of it.
Eventually it became unmissable.
Technically, this was the biggest shambles I think I’ve ever seen on British television. Constant sound dips (played out on various radio stations as well), massive delays, embarrassing performances from the likes of P Diddy, and a completely rubbish climax.
Many of the faults seemed to be the BBC’s fault – especially the sound dips. Claudia Winkleman and Jamie Theakston seemed to be on a different planet to the rest of the production: they’d simultaneously announce different bands were about to play, and sometimes both got it wrong.
Let’s hope they get it right for next week’s Live Earth, also at Wembley, or their reputation for live events will be shot to pieces.
: 01 Jul 2007 22:33 | Tags: BBC Concert For Diana Television Wembley Stadium | Comments (3) | Close comments | Report a problem
The Apprentice: Season Four Guide
Following last night’s surprise winner of The Apprentice, I thought I’d present my guide to the next season of the show so as to avoid disappointment when it comes around.
1) If Sir Alan nods his head, gives a thumbs up, or an ‘ok’ signal to a contestant at a vital moment, that contestant will lose.
2) If a contestant makes themselves look like a complete fool, that contestant will win.
It doesn’t matter who looked like the better contestant last night. The editing will have made the other look better, so Sir Alan’s decision came as a big shock. If you watched the “You’re Hired” show afterwards, you’ll have seen the bit of Simon’s speech which made him look composed and clever. Funnily enough we didn’t see that in the main show.
It’s called TV editing, and it’s my simple two-part guide to the next – and every – series of The Apprentice. Watch Series 3 all over again and you’ll see how right I am.
The Guardian’s Lucy Mangan fell for it good and proper…
“If Kristina doesn’t get the job,” I scream, “This city’s gonna burn!” Sir Alan suffers some kind of massive synaptic misfire and hires Simon. Pass. Me. My. Matches.
: 14 Jun 2007 10:13 | Tags: Sir Alan Sugar Television The Apprentice TV | Comments (5) | Close comments | Report a problem
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June 2, 2019 May 18, 2019 by Mike Kennedy
Hal Jespersen may be the author of hundreds of Civil War articles, not to mention his prolific career as a Civil War cartographer and travel writer, but he doesn’t like to be called a historian. Jespersen prefers to say he is a “student of history.” If that’s the case, then this former U.S. Army Signal Corps officer gets straight As for his vast knowledge of the Civil War.
A retired computer industry executive (formerly of Sun Microsystems), Jespersen discovered his passion for Civil War history by accident. In his youth as an ROTC cadet, he studied military history and visited battlefields. But it wasn’t until he read Michael Shaara’s The Killer Angels in 2003 that the fire was lit. A year later, Jespersen began making significant contributions to Civil War pages on Wikipedia. At the same time, he was pursuing two other callings: drawing Civil War battle maps and visiting Civil War sites.
Fast-forward 15 years, and Jespersen has built his own Civil War cottage industry. His mapping website, www.CWMaps.com, includes some 200 freely available maps of the war, as well as information about his custom cartography business. His personal website, www.posix.com/CW/, contains links to his Wikipedia articles and a large number of travelogue articles, which record his visits to Civil War battlefields and seminars.
Jespersen has also journeyed with the BGES 15 times since 2005, and he produced a few dozen large-format battlefield maps that are used during tours. We talked to Jespersen about his impressive career as a “student” of the Civil War.
BGES Blog: You’re the principal author of more than 125 Civil War battle and campaign articles, plus an equal number of biographical pieces about Civil War generals. What sparked your interest? What about this period is so compelling to you?
Hal Jespersen: My overriding interest in the Civil War was triggered later in life. That led to a period of voracious reading about the Battle of Gettysburg, and later to the first of a number of trips to that hallowed ground.
Hal Jespersen with Len Riedel in Chattanooga
I find the Civil War the most compelling because it ranks with the Revolution as the most important event in our country’s history, with ramifications we still feel today. It also occurred all around us in places whose names we know and we can visit. All of the colorful characters make reading the enormous library of materials entertaining as well as insightful.
BGES Blog: You’ve also been writing a Civil War travelogue since 2004. How did you get started? What keeps you going?
Hal Jespersen: My primary motivation in doing the travelogues is not for publicity. It is to provide a well-organized place for me to remember my trips. (I also do travelogues for the non-Civil War related travel experiences.) I can access all of the details of my trips–including hotels, good restaurants, interesting historians, etc.–at any time, from my desktop or smart phone. And since all of my thousands of photos are kept online nowadays, the captions in the webpage allow me to describe the images with more detail than a simple file name.
BGES Blog: Of all the Civil War sites you’ve visited, what is your favorite? What are the top sites that you recommend others see?
Hal Jespersen at Marye’s Heights, Virginia
Hal Jespersen: My favorite is certainly Gettysburg, which I think I have visited about 20 times (a lot for a California resident). There is so much that happened there and the interpretation is really excellent. Although I certainly enjoy all of the major battlefields (Manassas, Antietam, Chancellorsville, Fredericksburg, Spotsylvania, Petersburg, Shiloh, Winchester, Chattanooga, and Vicksburg), I might suggest that an interesting recommendation is Perryville in Kentucky. The battlefield is pristine and the terrain is very interesting. (Just bring your own sandwich because the tourist infrastructure there is pretty slim.) Wilson’s Creek and Pea Ridge are also worth the trips.
BGES Blog: As a cartographer, you have created literally thousands of maps. What have you learned about the Civil War through the process of mapmaking?
Hal Jesperson’s Map of Shenandoah Valley Campaign of 1864: May-July 1864.
Hal Jespersen: I am often merely rendering in graphical form the historical judgment of an author who hires me to help with his book. But what I have learned, applicable to any war, is that no matter how good the map is, it can never be a complete substitute for visiting the battlefield and seeing the terrain with your own eyes.
My maps are not actually based on my personal observations. I do not have the talent of a, say, Jedediah Hotchkiss, to sit on my horse and sketch out the terrain. I use government data sources of elevation data, watercourses, roads, and railroads as the starting point for my maps, which I then manipulate based on input from historians or the Official Records Atlas.
BGES Blog: What is the most challenging aspect of Civil War mapmaking?
Hal Jespersen: Since it is the role of my historian client to be concerned with the unit positioning and movements, my primary concern is depicting the terrain and features so that they are reasonably accurate for the 1860s. New roads and highways have been installed and older roads may have moved or have been renamed; even towns move and names change. Railroads have been added, although their original roadbeds are often still the same. Streams that run through defined valleys are usually the same, but larger rivers–particularly the Mississippi–can meander around or be dammed up into lakes, causing large changes to maps such as Belmont, Fort Henry, Vicksburg, etc.
Even the terrain is changeable, such as the Atlanta battlefield’s Bald Hill, or Chattanooga’s Cameron Hill. In this latter case, I need to do artistic modifications of terrain shading and contour lines to approximate the original shapes as best I can. Finally, wooded areas have certainly changed on every battlefield and it is sometimes difficult to convert some of the sketchy maps in the Official Records Atlas accurately onto the modern terrain.
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Saga - Legends "we'll take a cup of kindness yet", Han/Leia, OTP Holiday Challenge
Discussion in 'Fan Fiction- Before, Saga, and Beyond' started by Mira_Jade , Jan 1, 2017.
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Title: “we'll take a cup of kindness yet”
Author: Mira_Jade
Time Frame: 2 & 60 ABY || Original Trilogy/Legends
Genre: Hurt/Comfort, Romance
Characters: Han Solo/Leia Organa, Luke Skywalker, Jaina Solo, Allana Solo
Summary: The date was nothing out of the ordinary, just another blip on the calendar for him. For her, however, it was something more; something personal. In his own way, he understood the honor of her sharing it with him.
Notes: Initially, this was my response to the OTP Holiday Love Challenge – my Star Wars muse was at long last sparked after a many year hiatus, and Han/Leia seemed to be the proper way to welcome its return. But, I was in the editing stages when I heard that Carrie Fisher passed away, and it then seemed only fitting to add the coda at the end. My doing so turned this into a rather long piece, but it's near and dear to my heart, and I enjoyed writing each and every word of it. This ended up being Legends set, with that inclusion. It fit better, and honestly, no matter the issues I have with the EU, it still feels right to me when compared to Han and Leia's ruined marriage and the mess that is Kylo Ren - so that's all that you really need to know going in.
In short, this was a personally cathartic piece to write for a woman who is still an inspiration to me, and I only hope that it brings a matching moment of peace to anyone who reads. Rest in peace, Carrie Fisher! The galaxy is now a dimmer place without you . . .
Disclaimer: Nothing is mine, but for the words. The title is taken from “Auld Lang Syne,” which was my inspiration and theme-song while writing this. The Dougie MacLean version, in particular.
“we'll take a cup of kindness yet”
by Mira_Jade
In his time, Han Solo had endured a cold planet or two, but the gods' forsaken wasteland that was Hoth took the deck on each and every one of them.
Makes sense, I guess, he grimaced to pull on his gloves in preparation for the cold beyond the sanctuary of his ship. Any Imperial with a sparking pair of brain cells would think us to be anywhere but here. Nine hells, I'd rather be anywhere but here.
Anywhere . . . ominously the word echoed, edging along the soft tissue and synapses of his brain to rouse that small, irksome voice of reason in the back of his mind. Then why are you still here, Solo? Why have you stuck around as long as you have? It was a pointed question; an uncomfortable question. That inner-voice may have saved his skin more than once over the years, speaking with instinct and intuition as it did . . . but that did not mean that he had to like it. Han had no answer for the voice, at that – no answer worth giving conscious thought to, at any rate, and he blew out a frustrated breath from between his teeth, disliking the spiral his mind was taking.
You are a wanted man – and it's Jabba the Hutt calling for your head, no less, the voice continued to badger him. Wanted men turn into dead men – you know this better than most. Why, then, are you not -
- and he was done listening. With a stern force of will, he shoved his irksome thoughts aside, determined to ignore them for a little while longer. Yet, even after two years of practice, he was still only marginally better at doing so – he didn't quite want to learn the hard way what would come from disregarding his higher reason completely, after all. Soon, his hard won pragmatism would win out. Yet, until that day came . . .
Han made a face and pulled up his hood, knowing that the artificial climate of the newly founded Echo Base would be nowhere near what his human system considered comfortable. He didn't trust the techs to have taken care of the programing glitches in the time he had been away on his latest trade run, at that, and so, bundling up it was. Ignoring Chewie's soft growls of question – with his friend unerringly sounding like his inner-voice more often than not as of late, he thumbed the release for the Falcon's ramp, and disembarked . . . disembarked to find, with a short burst of pleased surprise, that the technicians had been able to work out the kinks in the system while he was gone. The air upon his face, though a notch or two cooler than what he would usually prefer, was not the frigid kiss of winter he had first expected to feel. He reached up, and pulled down his hood in time to hear -
“Han, you're back!”
He turned – with a rise of feeling bubbling in his chest, one that he would have loudly scoffed at even just a year ago – at first dumbly expecting to see . . .
. . . well, he reminded himself, it was foolish of him to expect anything otherwise. The Rebellion was a war being fought, plain and simple – no matter how the moral high ground may have wrapped their cause up in a pretty bow. She did not have the time to watch the comings and goings of every pilot on base; the demands on her attention were already strenuous enough. Leia would seek him out eventually, he knew, if and when she could.
Yet . . . If she can group you in with 'everyone', that same irksome voice of reason reared its ugly head again, you are even more a fool to linger - to linger and hope -
- and that, Han forced his smile to hold, was enough of that. More than enough.
But he did not have to hold the forced expression for long – it turned true enough when he caught the kid in a quick, welcoming embrace. Han ran a critical eye over the younger man, but Luke Skywalker seemed to be healthy and happy to all outward appearances. He was still in once piece, without any missing fingers or toes; he hadn't even singed his hair. There were times, as he practiced with that saber of his all the more often as of late, that Han had worried for him - not that he'd ever admit to that aloud, of course.
“Hey, kid,” Han gave his own greeting. “Good to see you're still in one piece.” He couldn't help but needle with his words – out of the urge to tease more so than any true concern, of course.
In answer, Luke only snorted as he turned to greet Chewie next. In answer, the Wookiee gave a happy grumble that echoed Han's unwitting smile. “You act as if the second you turn away we'll just fall apart without you,” Luke gave with a beleaguered sigh. He nonetheless lifted up both hands and wagged his fingers as if to prove that he still had them.
“Ah, but wouldn't you?” Han could not help but drawl – after all, it was always fun goading the kid. He made it all too easy for him, at that. “I can't help it if people are always getting attached to me – apparently it's something about my rugged good looks and rakish charm.”
“Of course that's it, Han.” Somehow, the predictability of Luke rolling his eyes had lost its childish petulance over the past two years; the wet behind the ears moisture farmer seemed to mature a bit more every time Han spoke to him. “I don't know how we ever got on without you.”
. . . we.
Han felt a strange constricting in his chest at the thought – it was not a necessarily bad feeling, per se, and yet . . . He shook his head and told himself that that too meant nothing. Ignoring the mingled pleasure/pain of the sensation, he pushed on.
“So,” Han started as casually as he could. “Where is her worshipfulness, anyway? I thought that she'd want to hear about the run herself, with her insisting that I be the one to take the assignment and all . . .”
“Oh, Leia?” Luke's frown caused another twinge to form, one decidedly less than pleasant, so much so that Han had to fight to keep it from echoing in his expression. “She hasn't been seen today,” he admitted after a moment's pause. “General Rieekan said that she is taking a personal day; I haven't been able to get a hold of her to see how she's doing, so your guess is as good as mine.”
Though his words may have been a study in nonchalance, Luke's voice was clouded with equal parts frustration and worry. His clear blue eyes narrowed, and he made a pursed line of his mouth before meeting his gaze with a shrug. “I suppose she's earned it, so I shouldn't pry – she's hardly taken a moment to breathe since the Death Star, you know? I can admit that I've been worried about her.” Even so, he fixed a sincere smile to conclude, “I'm sure she'll find you tomorrow, though. She always does.”
“Yeah, of course.” Han shook off his own concern – which, in its own way, was more disturbing than any sort of understandable attraction on his part – and fought the urge he had to sigh. “There's no rush; the General can hear my report as well as she can.”
“Sounds good,” Luke stepped back with a nod of his head. “I know you'll want to clean up and find your planetside legs again – we have an honest to goodness water system up and running, can you believe it? May as well make use of it while you can.”
The base, Han distantly recalled, was built over a system of hot springs. The network of waterways was one of the few geothermal points they had been able to find on the rock of ice and misery that was Hoth, and the main reason they chose to build here in the first place. He cracked a true grin, recalling Luke's awestruck wonder for the rivers of Yavin IV before they had been forced to abandon the jungle base. The kid hadn't known how to swim before that; he'd never even felt rain before that. Even the snow of Hoth had been a novelty to Luke, with the incomparable cold and the idea that so much water could freeze such as this. There were few things that made Han feel light and young in the galaxy, and most of them seemed to be centered in the fledgling Jedi from Tatooine. He shook his head, trying to clear his senses of his own unwitting fondness; in that too, his higher reason warned, there was a weakness waiting to turn a spot of his armor weak from rust.
“You betcha,” Han nonetheless agreed, clapping Luke on the shoulder as he made to pass. “I'll catch up with you later.”
“I look forward to it,” Luke returned the affection with a last smile, and then he was gone.
After leaving Luke, Han made quick work of checking in with Rieekan and seeing about the unloading of the Falcon. When he was content that the hangar aides knew what they was doing with his ship, he did go about finding his assigned quarters and ferreting out the honest to goodness water 'freshers Luke had mentioned. After months of sonic cleaning for practicality's sake, the unexpected luxury of heated water was one he was determined to take full advantage of – and he was sure that many of the battle-weary souls on base agreed with him. The small tweak in the system was a calculated boost to morale, he could well recognize the move, but that didn't mean he would snub his nose at benefiting from it.
Afterward, he turned down Chewie's invitation to meet Luke and raid the mess hall for supper – he was hungry, his noticeably rumbling stomach told him, but he was also strangely restless in his skin. He was jittery, even though he knew that he should be relaxing after a job well done. He tried to tell himself that such unease was a side-effect of the soldier's mantle he had somehow stumbled into – a constant state of battle readiness came with the commission, after all. Yet, after a lifetime of such . . . edge of his seat living, Han already well knew how to let such a sensation simmer in the background of his mind - he'd have gone crazy by now if he hadn't. His palms itched, and he clenched and unclenched his fists to relieve the sensation. He was twitchy with the want to move, almost as if something was goading him onwards, trying to lead him . . .
- great, Han did not need his inner-voice to chide himself, he had been hanging out with the kid for far too long. The folksy Jedi mysticism he preached was rubbing off on him . . . it was bound to happen eventually, he supposed.
So, Han found himself wandering. Much had been added to the base and since improved upon while he was away – impressively so, he could grudgingly admit. The icy, man-made tunnels dipped underneath the surface of the planet to make use of the more natural land-ways catacombing the underground below. Here, the climate systems did not have to work as hard away from the constant battering of the snowstorms, and the subterranean passages were kept relatively warm by the heat to be found the deeper they dug in the planet's crust. Hot rivers of foaming blue-green water coursed underneath the durasteel bridges he passed, and Han curiously followed one such pathway to an open icy chamber that too carried the clean, damp scent of water. Made curious by the natural landforms, he paused at the juncture, and then entered.
He had not been expecting to find a place like this on Hoth: a large chamber with soaring stalagmite ceilings, crowned by the crystal blue sheen of ice from the belly of some massive glacier overhead. The ground was the pearlescent white stone of Hoth's principle bedrock, glittering with silvery veins of some ore he could not immediately identify. The flowing water passed through the gaping cavern in a winding river, pausing to feed still pools in the landscape. Beyond the reflection of the rock formations and ice, he could see down for meters. The incredibly pure water was an almost unnaturally bright shade of blue, touched by jets of emerald green and red-violet from the mineral deposits in the bubbling springs. They were dazzling to the eye next to all of the silver-white of the stone. It was, he thought, a beautiful place.
Well, the planet had to have something going for it, after all. Hoth had too many strikes against it otherwise.
Han knelt down next to the waterside, for a moment content to look past his reflection and down into the depths – as far down as his human eyes could see, when . . .
. . . a . . . candle? . . . floated to him, he puzzled to notice. There, sure enough, bobbing on the surface of the water in a simple saucer of thin plasteel was an honest to goodness wax candle. A legitimate candle, at that – not one made of replicated wax with an artificial light-source. The little white sphere had a tiny wick, with a flickering flame slowly consuming it; its dancing tongue of yellow-gold was warm and inviting next to the cool tones of frost and shadow in the chamber. Han looked and saw more of the tiny vessels floating down the underground river from further upstream in the cavern. Wondering, he stood and walked through the massive arches of stone and ice to go further back, only to find, in the last niche he could think to check . . .
“Leia?”
His voice was a befuddled expression of sound, echoed and repeated back to him from the high vaults of the icy ceiling. For there, kneeling down by the underground river, was the princess – dressed simply in her white snowsuit, with her hair twisted into a loose design of braids down her back. Her hands were bare as she carefully set another saucer to float on the current, the same as she must have for all the others. Patiently waiting on the stone next to her, she had more of the candles ready to light; he briefly wondered how many she had already let loose on the water. She had been singing, he last processed - humming softly underneath her breath before he invaded the privacy of . . . whatever it was she was doing. Strangely, he wanted to hear the sound again; he did not want her to stop.
Yet, his arrival broke the tranquility of the moment. Looking as a startled kybuck in the underbrush, she stood from her crouch by the water and turned see him standing behind her. Her dark eyes were wide with surprise before she recognized him and recovered herself. The silvery half-light cast shadows on her face, but, even so, he could see the tell-tale tracks of tears on her cheeks, no matter how silently they may have been shed. The sight drew him up short as he belatedly realized . . . he'd never seen her cry before. He'd only known strength from her; the strength of her convictions and determination and belief. He'd known her temper and humor, even her affection . . . but never had he been privy to her grief. Leia had always seemed too much of an immovable force to be touched by so mundane a thing as tears.
Or, he readjusted the thought after a moment, that was the face she had long presented to the world. He could . . . he could understand that, in his own way . . . he could understand that better than most.
Yet, for now . . . a personal day, Luke had said. And here he was intruding. Wishing that he had instead turned back the way he came instead of revealing his presence to her, he prepared to put his hands up and slowly turn around to give her privacy. He wouldn't disturb . . . whatever this was. He wasn't as rough around the edges as that.
His intentions were one thing, but what he heard fall from his mouth instead was, “Are you okay, Princess?”
Leia blinked at him as if she could not quite understand why he was there. After a heartbeat, she turned away from him and reached up to scrub the heel of her hand over her eyes. She took in a deep breath, and when she turned to meet his gaze again it was with a more familiar face. This, he knew how to better react to.
“You're back,” she somehow managed to turn the statement into a greeting. “I take it that the run went well, then?”
Han frowned, taken aback by the sudden change to her demeanor. He shifted his weight from foot to foot, no longer sure of his balance. “Yes,” he found himself answering out of rote. But no, no. That was not what he wanted to talk about. “I already gave my report to General Rieekan. I was told that you'd taken a . . . personal day. Which I can see that I am interrupting. I'm sorry for that.”
He left a question open and waiting in his words. If she wanted to tell him, to share with him what she was doing, then she would. If not, he would respect her right to privacy and leave so that she could have the peace she so clearly sought. He would be lying to himself if he said that he did not prefer the first, however.
Leia made a noncommittal noise in the back of her throat, and her eyes fell to where the candles floated on the current of the subterranean river. A shade passed over her expression, the shadow of some old sorrow, and he watched where she visibly drew in a breath to steady herself. Her hands made small fists when she clenched her fingers, but they were fists nonetheless.
“Today is the Day of Remembrances,” she finally said, softly – so softly that he had to strain to hear her. “Or, at least, it would have been.”
The Day of Remembrances . . . he frowned, but found no recognition sparking in his mind. Outside of the few galactic holidays, it was impossible to know every system's local customs and traditions, and he had to admit that he knew but few of hers. Was this . . .
“An Alderaanian tradition,” Leia expanded, unerringly finishing his thought even before he spoke it aloud. Her voice was stronger then, growing all the more clear and collected as she spoke. “Growing up, this was always a special festival to me . . . and, last year I was shipside . . . I couldn't see it observed as I would have liked. Yet, this year . . .”
He could infer the rest: this year she celebrated alone, away from her people, for the memory of a home that no longer was. In some ways, he could imagine this hitting her harder than the yearly memorial that was held for Alderaan's loss. There, she presided over the masses offering their respects, untouchable and ethereal as she carried the mourning of all her people on her shoulders. He had been vaguely uncomfortable during that year's memorial; he had been unnerved by the porcelain sheen of her public mask, wondering if and when she would ever let it crack. No matter that she hurt as much as they did, that day was for what remained of Alderaan's citizens, and she was still their princess; she would lead them when there was no one else left to assume that burden. Yet, this . . .
. . . this was a private grief . . . for her home, for her family . . . and it was for her alone.
Strangely, Han realized that his restlessness had soothed for finding her, but a note of indecision still remained. “I see,” he said, and the words were more softly spoken than any he had ever given her. “I can . . . I can go if you would rather - ”
“ - no,” Leia interrupted him. “No. I . . . I would not mind if you stayed.” From the way she blinked, her diplomatic poise failing her, he could clearly see that she was as taken aback by her saying so as he was. She had spoken without conscious thought; from instinct, by reflex. He felt an echoing such surprise course through his own system . . . but it was not a wholly unwelcome sensation.
Even so, Han took only a step towards her before stopping. He lingered as if balanced on a tightrope, still unsure, even with her invitation having been extended. This was not something he was used to dealing with – indecision of any kind, and now he paused, waiting for her to change her mind. He wanted her to understand that it was okay to change her mind.
But Leia merely bit her lip, and then turned back to the water. He stood still for only a moment longer, and then he followed her. At first she was silent as she sat on her knees on the cool white stone, and, slowly, he folded his legs to sit down beside her. She moved to light another candle; her unsteady fingers had to try twice to spark the match.
Han then watched as, with gentle care, that candle too was sent on a lonely journey to join the others on the river. The tiny flames danced with the yawning shadows before they were swallowed to be little more than beads of light against the gloom. It was a strangely sad sight . . . but, beautiful, in its own way.
“On Alderaan,” Leia finally began her explanation, her voice soft as it filled the silence, “we would do this once a year, every autumn season. All the people from Aldera would go up into the Triplehorn mountains, to a sacred spot on the river . . . There, my parents would lead the ceremony . . . songs were sung to remember our ancestors . . . then, individually, we would light candles for each loved one we had personally lost. This way, as the trees changed and we prepared for winter, we would remember the promise of spring – just as, similarly, we would keep the memories of our departed ones alive, remembering that, like the spring, someday we would all be together again . . . Life is a cycle, and the river would take all of the candles, eventually, down to the sea. Each and every year.”
Leia gave a short exhale of breath, and she held the next candle in her hand without lighting it. “I . . . I would always light one for my mother . . . my birth mother,” she admitted with a small voice. “I felt like she could see it . . . there, wading in the water, feeling the currents on my skin as the candles floated, singing the mourning songs . . . I felt close to her. I only ever had my one candle to light, but there . . . there were others who had so many candles to send to the sea. To think that I had once felt sorry for them . . . I pitied their grief and pain, even as I counted myself blessed to escape their loss. Yet . . . now,” her eyes were far away, glazed and unfocused, as she looked down the silent, foreign river, “I will never be able to light enough candles to remember them all. It's an impossible task.”
She did not cry, not then, but he could see where her eyes were full with moisture and burning. He . . . he'd never seen her cry for Alderaan, he distantly reflected - even when speeding away from the Death Star she had refused to give in to her grief where they could witness it. Rather, she had gone out of her way to comfort the kid for losing Ben Kenobi - never mind that she had untoward billions to mourn herself. Instead, she had thrown herself into her cause, her sense of duty, and mourned what she had lost in the quiet, in-between moments where she could.
Han had admired that strength, then – quietly and from afar. Now . . .
. . . now, he fought the odd urge he had to reach over and take one of her hands in his own. It was a foreign thing, at first, the want to give comfort and support; it was a luxury he had rarely been able to indulge in his life, and when he had it was often to disastrous results. Attachment led to loss, and he had already lost so much in his life . . . too much. It was easier to escape the latter by dodging the former, he had long since found. Yet . . . even so, all he could think of now was that he hated to see her suffer. The urge to help shoulder the burden of her grief was disturbing in its poignancy, so much so that he could not first move or say anything at all.
Yet, what was more than that . . . he had been invited to witness a now endangered tradition. He did not know if she would even welcome his comfort, and so, he curled his fingers into fists and kept to his spot.
Leia fell silent as she lit another candle. The quiet was heavy between them as her admission hovered, thick with mourning and grief, so much so that -
“ - there weren't very many holidays for me growing up.” The words slipped out before he was even consciously aware of his intention to give them. He rarely spoke about himself, he was sure she noticed; he was usually mute to his life before her . . . before Luke . . . before the Rebellion. Yet, for her to give up such a piece of herself – such a personal piece, while she, in turn, knew but little about him or his past . . . It did not seem right, and he would see his debt paid.
Then, what was more than that . . . he found that he simply wanted to tell her. And so, he did.
“I was orphaned young,” Han soldiered through his confession with clipped, short syllables. “I got picked up by a guy named Shrike and joined his crew when I was nine . . . I don't really remember much of my life before that.” No matter how hard he tried, those years were nothing more than mist and shadows to his memory. No matter that, sometimes . . .
Well, anyway.
“Shrike was a real rough sort, your all-around typical lowlife, thief, scoundrel – you would have liked him.” Yet, even his cocked half-grin did not have its usual luster. “There weren't any holidays with Shrike; or, at least, none that I felt like celebrating. Yet, there was a Wookiee who served aboard his flagship as the cook . . . Dewlanna was her name. For some reason she took a liking to me; she took me under her wing, mothered me, taught me Shyriiwook and everything else that passes for my education . . . Though she was in exile from her people, she still followed the old ways, and I . . .”
Han could still remember her days of honor; her days of celebration; her days of mourning. He liked the thick incense of the smoke she burned; even now he could smell the thick, spicy aroma in those memories if he tried. Though he had been unable to replicate her chants with his human vocal-cords, he had identified with her growling songs and the deep, spiritual connection she felt to her forest home – even when they were surrounded by man-made walls of steel in the emptiness of space. He thought that he could understand what Leia missed in the songs of her childhood and the water and the light . . . he understood her grief in what small way he could.
The look Leia turned on him was not pitying, for which he was grateful. But there was a softness to her eyes; understanding burned there. “Where is Dewlanna now?” she asked.
“Dead,” the one word was a short, forced sound from his mouth. Dead saving my skin when Shrike was finally done putting up with me; when I was more dangerous than I was useful to his bottom line, he thought but could not say. He had only been able to force the words out once before, with Chewie. Like mothers do for their cubs, the Wookiee had been but little surprised to hear, and that was the last time Dewlanna was spoken of but for within his thoughts. He swallowed, and felt his missing rise in his throat like a hot stone.
“Would you . . . like to light a candle for her now?” Leia met his gaze to ask. Her eyes were dark and still shining with repressed tears . . . but there was a gentleness there too, a warmth.
Unwittingly, he remembered Leia comforting Luke aboard the Falcon after her people had burned out in a wink. No, he did not want to take the stage from what was rightfully her moment, her loss, and, yet . . .
“It helps,” she whispered – reading his thoughts as easily as if he spoke them aloud. “It helps to share the grief.” And she was sharing her sorrow with him, the thought was a whispered one, not Mothma or Rieekan or Luke or anyone else on the base . . . but with him. There was a warmth to be found in the knowledge, heady and comforting as it settled somewhere behind his heart and ignited his bones. It was a dangerous warmth, he knew; it was a warmth that came with the potency of addiction, of need.
“I don't know . . . ” even so, he could not help but snort in reply to her words. The sound was rougher than he would have first liked it to be. “I've never seen much proof of that.”
“Well then, I'm waiting for it to,” Leia cracked a sardonic smile – and in the familiar play of words between them, there was a sort of comfort. There was some peace, he thought, born by familiarity.
Deep inside of him, his voice of reason – of caution and sense and survival – was all but screaming at him. It wanted him to stand up and walk away, run far away; it wanted him to take what he was owed and pay what he in turn owed and live to fight another day. And, yet . . .
Han ignored his better sense. He made a square of his jaw, and chose his course. “Alright, then,” he found his voice to say. “I would like that.”
Leia smiled then – a real smile, made all the more brilliant, somehow, by the grief she still carried in her eyes . . . by the missing he could see in her hands as she picked up a candle and matchstick and handed it to him.
“Is there something particular I should be doing?” Han asked as he took the candle.
“Not really,” Leia answered. “Just think about the person you are remembering, and light the candle. Then let your thoughts go as it sails. Usually we'd stand in the water for this, but it's a little too cold for that here.” There was a glittering about her eyes that had little to do with her tears. “Don't worry, I won't make you sing until next year.”
Next year, how easily she was able to throw that out – so much so that he wondered if she even realized her choice of words. She watched as he struck the match, and the scent of the smoke lit his memories of Dewlanna as if on cue – bringing to mind the softness of her fur and the earthiness of her scent . . . things that he had thought to have buried long ago.
Han swallowed, and closed his eyes, doing as Leia instructed – after all, if he was going to do this, then he would do so properly. He fought past his pain and remembered: her paw on his brow as she nursed him in sickness . . . the pride in her voice when he mastered a particularly tricky aspect of her language . . . her joy the one time he had been able to crudely carve a piece of wroshyr wood in a childish gift for her clan day . . .
If he at last remembered those awful, final moments . . . the light leaving her eyes and her last, whispered growl as he dumbly realized for me, she is dead because of me, then that was softened by the glow of the candle, by the strangely soothing motion he found of putting it in its bed of plasteel and setting it on the water to sail. He let the current take his grief, his sorrow, and kept only what he wanted from his memories. It was, he thought a heartbeat later, a tradition he thought to then understand.
Imagining an entire people doing this at once . . . with their mourning songs sung together, bound by the companionship of grief and its resolution . . . yes, this was a custom he could appreciate, and mourn the loss of. The galaxy was a darker place with the light of Alderaan gone, but in its place, remaining . . .
He felt Leia's hand on his shoulder, small but impossibly strong, and found a matching such peace flow his veins. He breathed out one last time, and turned to meet her eyes.
“Now,” she nodded smartly to say. “We drink.”
Han blinked, at first uncomprehending as she pulled out a glass bottle from her collection of supplies – a bottle of some teal colored wine, he could smell as she poured it into the one cup she had brought. She passed him the cup, he noticed, but kept the bottle for herself.
“This is toniray – Alderaanian emerald wine, spiced for the autumn season,” she revealed. At first he blanched to realize that he was drinking something priceless – something that no longer existed in the galaxy but for what stores there were offworld. But he was yet unsure of how to turn her down with any sort of grace. He stopped trying to find his words as she continued by saying:
“We would drink this with cakes of harvest berries as the candles floated away – to celebrate the memories of our loved ones after mourning them. I can't make the cakes with . . . with the ingredients being gone, and the wine is now a precious commodity. But,” she shrugged to say, “we may not be here for the next Day of Remembrances, after all.” For that, her eyes twinkled with a dark humor to say – but it was necessary humor, and that, at least, he knew he could drink to.
“Now this is my kind of holiday,” Han chuckled, and she raised her bottle to him.
“To those who can no longer be with us,” Leia toasted.
“To those who can no longer be with us,” he echoed, and took a sip from his glass. It wasn't bad, the wine – smooth and bold to make up for its fruity undernotes, and the spices were warming on his tongue as they burned down his throat. Yes, he thought, not bad at all.
Leia settled in next to him, her wine in hand as she watched the candles float away. She did not say anything more than that, but then, no more really needed to be said. He felt as if a current had shifted between them, gone with the little memorial boats, but he did not allow his mind to dwell on it then. Instead, he breathed in deeply, and found that he was no longer cold; inside, there was a more worrisome sort of warmth to match, but that too he decided to let be for the time being.
He simply sat with her in silence, and watched the lingering glow of the flames as they floated beyond where they could see.
Coda – 60 ABY
After leaving Hoth behind all those years ago, Han Solo never had any desire to step foot on the frozen planet again. Good, let the Imperials have it, the part of his mind that was not consumed with survive and away had thought, and that had been the end of that. Yet, now . . .
He was much older than he had been in the waxing days of the Rebellion, older in both mind and body. His bones were heavy, ungainly things in his limbs, and he had too many aches and pains from too many closed calls survived to mention. His eyesight was nowhere near what it used to be, though he was still slow to accept his need for corrective aides - it was already bad enough that he had finally submitted to using a walking stick, after all. He'd finally said no to the healers attempting to improve his spine and hips and knees through surgery - he was done poking and prodding his body to work as that of a much younger man's; he was simply old, and he accepted it.
Though his face was heavily lined with age, it still wasn't too bad a face, he thought with no small amount of pride. His hair had turned a silvery shade of steel grey years ago, though he considered himself lucky to have kept such a relatively full head of it. Leia, though she had teased him, had been pleased, as well, he suspected. It was something he could understand in his turn: the years may have taken the rich color of her hair and the youthful vitality of her skin, but time had failed to dull the spark in her eyes or cool the warmth of her spirit. He had been honored to grow old with her; there was a beauty to be found in the waning of their days.
. . . Leia.
Four months gone, and even a passing memory of his wife was enough to clench a painful fist about his heart. He felt as if the planet's gravity was bearing down on him, making it impossible to move . . . impossible to breathe. He could feel his breath shudder in his lungs as he consciously forced himself to take in air for one heartbeat . . . two . . . and then three, before his body remembered the necessary mechanics of living and carried on by itself.
Such a routine was becoming disturbingly habitual as of late . . . disturbingly rote. He was not blind to the undercurrent of worry in his brother-in-law's eyes, the gentle sympathy of: I understand what you are going through, Han, more so than words can say . . . nor was he ignorant of the way his daughter watched him as if he was a chrono on a hand-grenade, ticking steadily down towards zero. He did not want to die, he had assured Jaina once and only once – and he truly didn't, not yet. But, at the same time, he was not completely adverse to the peace that he knew he would find when his time came. He was simply accepting of his days.
Until then, however, he let Jaina help him through the icy pathways, down into the subterranean tunnels beneath the abandoned ruins of the Echo Base. A team had already been down to secure the site and make sure that the tunnels were still passable beforehand – one of the perks of being the ruling lady of the Fel Imperium was to have such resources at her disposal, after all, Jaina had flashed a grin that was all him to say. As ever, he had to give a roll of his eyes in response. There were times when he could no longer recognize the shape of the galaxy without bemusement, after all – a galaxy where his daughter was heralded as Empress and the Imperial banner was a force for good . . . It was but little consolation that Jagged Fel had grudgingly grown on him over the years . . . slowly grown, at the very least, like a Veshok tree in the shade kind of slow. But he did approve of the man, and his daughter was happy; for him, that was enough.
“Is this the place, dad?” Jaina's voice drew him from his thoughts.
Han looked up as they passed from a durasteel bridge into another icy chamber. This time, he recognized the high vaulted ceilings of the cavern and the familiar babble of the river. His memories ghosted across his consciousness, and he had to close his eyes against the almost tangible familiarity of the sensation. In answer, he set his jaw, and nodded once. He could not yet find his voice.
Jaina understood, and with a gesture she motioned Allana forth down the path. The girl, dressed in a familiar ensemble of dark green scaled armor and indigo Hapan silks, brushed her hand against his arm as she passed in a gesture of loving support. She walked to the waterside, and with a lithe sort of grace she knelt down to unpack the bag slung over her shoulder. Wax candle globes, glittering true-glass saucers for them to sail in, rather than the plasteel the Rebellion had been able to spare so long ago, and match-sticks – she made sure that all were accounted for, and spread them out for their use.
The young woman – and Force, but when had the little girl toddling about the Falcon become such a woman? - looked back at him, concern now a familiar glow in the grey of her eyes. She had observed the Day of Remembrances with them ever since Leia and he had decided to raise their granddaughter as their own, and the routine was by then a familiar one to her. Jaina too knew the old ways of her mother's people, though that part of her heritage was not something she had readily identified with until later in life . . . when she had candles of her own to light rather than her parents' grief to observe and muddle through. Now, no matter what, she made time from her duties on Bastion to join them each and every year. Usually, her husband and children also joined them, but, this time . . .
. . . this time, it was just them. This year, it could only be them.
Han slowly – oh so slowly – allowed Jaina to help him sit down by the waterside. He took in a deep breath when he was safely on the ground, and briefly wondered how he was going to get back up later. He shook his head, and simply decided to tackle one hurdle at a time.
Instead, he focused on recovering his breath as Jaina took her place next to him. Her Empress' ensemble – robes, often in shades of white to honor her mother, mixed with the crinkled leather the Imperial Knights favored – had been traded for a sensible white snowsuit, not quite unlike what Leia had worn while the Rebellion was stationed on Hoth. Even with the growing streaks of grey in her dark hair and the laugh lines framing her eyes, she looked so much like her mother that it brought a pang to his heart to see. It was a good pain, Han thought . . . but a pain nonetheless.
At last, he took in a deep breath, and picked up his first candle.
When she saw that he was ready, Allana started to hum under her breath, the same songs from Alderaan that Leia would always sing. Distantly, he could hear Jaina echoing her niece’s song as she picked up a candle of her own. She had inherited her mother's warm, soothing voice, so much so that Han had always preferred listening to his ladies, rather than joining in on the song himself. His ladies, the thought brought another pang rupturing through him – as if his grief was still moment's new, rather than some months old.
As always, he lit a candle for Dewlanna first. Next was one for Chewie, just after. As ever, the grief of that loss was a ghosting thing against his spirit, never wholly healed.
After those first two candles sailed, he heard Jaina whisper her twin's name in her song, and she and Allana lit that candle together. As ever, the girl was solemn for the father she had barely known, and the grief of lost chances bloomed as a redness in her eyes. Jacen, Han watched that small flame flicker, a father's old sorrow in his heart for the loss, for the grief of: if I had protected my boy better, could I have saved him from his path? But that too was an old pain, one that he was well accustomed to accepting, and breathing in spite of. He breathed in with his mourning, and let it go with his exhale.
Anakin was next for him . . . As ever, his son's loss was an impossibly bright light that had been snuffed out before its time. He lit the candle, and then handed it to Jaina. She set it to sail with soft, reverent hands, whispering for her baby brother in her song with a throaty note of missing. Allana merely watched her aunt, and bowed her head in respect for the uncle she never had a chance to know.
Then, where his wife could not, Han lit one for Padmé Amidala . . . for Bail and Breha Organa too - all souls who had given him the treasure he had found in his wife, and, through her, untoward blessings as a father and a grandfather.
He was slower to light a flame for Anakin Skywalker, but he did . . . The first year Leia had done so, right after she had made peace with her father's spirit and shortly before their own Anakin was born, she had wept openly to do so. Years of hatred and resentment and lost opportunities struggled to heal within her, and Han had merely held his wife through the maelstrom of her grief until it passed. Every year since then, she had lit a candle for the man her father was, and sent it off to sail with the memory she had of her birth-mother.
This year, that burden and honor fell to him to carry out. Someday, Han knew that his daughter and granddaughter would continue that tradition, even after he was gone – remembering what was bright and worthy about their heritage rather than dark and shadowed.
Next, it was with a pang that he lit a candle for his sister-in-law, remembering Mara Jade's glittering green eyes and firecracker spirit. That was another failure he felt responsible for, and he closed his eyes in a silent prayer to the Force, hoping that she rested in peace from her too soon being taken from them. He hoped that she had been there to welcome his wife, at the very least. Alongside her parents and sister-in-law and sons, Leia's spirit would be kept in good company until he could join her. It was a small comfort, but one that fortified him, nonetheless.
For some time, they continued onwards like that: remembering old friends and allies and loved ones, all lost to the dark days they had lived through alongside those sunny and bright. For so many years, he had fought by his wife's side in order to shape a better future for the galaxy, and that fight now belonged to the next generation to wage. With that knowledge there was heaviness and responsibility, but also peace and acceptance. He could picture no better hands to carry on the torch of their heritage, and he liked to imagine that the galaxy was a better place for his gifting such a light to it.
Yet, even so . . . when it came time to light that last candle, he stalled . . . His hands would not obey the commands of his mind, it seemed, and he faltered. He simply held the match loosely with his fingertips and stared at the waiting wick. He could not, he balked at the implications of the task . . . he did not think that he could . . .
Sensing his hesitation, and no doubt rightly interpreting the raw grief on his face, he could feel his daughter press in closer to him. Jaina's hand was soft as it found his shoulder, resolute in its implication of affection and shared strength. Allana too rested a hand on his opposite shoulder, and he breathed in deeply through the warmth they both pushed towards him – a warmth that was made all the more tangible through their own shared grief. He was canny enough, after so many years, to recognize a Jedi's calming influence, but he could not bring himself to object . . . not this time . . . Instead he welcomed it, and enjoyed their gift of solace for what it was.
The flame, when he finally struck it, seemed too small to encompass all that his wife had been . . . all that she truly was . . . much too small indeed.
“I . . . ” when he tried to speak, Han found his voice rough to his use. “I never thought that I would light one of these for her . . . I never thought that she would leave me first.”
Her heart, he had been stunned when Cilghal had explained. Of course it was her heart; it had always beat for too many, for far too long. Her heart had carried her through such an outpouring of empathy and determination for as long as it could . . . and then it could simply handle the strain of such living no more.
Han felt Jaina's hand tighten over her shoulder, with she being no stranger to the ways of death and loss. Allana, still so young, rested her head against his arm as she liked to do when she was smaller. He could feel her familiar warmth, and heard her attempts to muffle her sniffling. She too cried for the grandmother who was more her mother, and he reflexively moved his arm so that he could cradle her about her shoulders instead. He then shifted so that he could do the same for Jaina, holding both of his girls close through the rising swell of their emotions.
In giving comfort, just as Leia had promised all of those years ago, he felt some of his own grief bleed away. Eventually, he felt strong enough to place the candle on the river, and watch as it floated away.
They sat there, wrapped together in silence, for a long, long time. Jaina said nothing, she only continued to hum as Allana's tears quieted and she too offered her voice in a small melody of sound. Their grief was still poignant, but it had lost its desperate edge as Jaina turned to Allana's pack to bring out a bottle of emerald wine. Though the re-engineered grapes were not comparable to the vintage Han remembered from Alderaan itself, the replication was passable enough, and it would do.
“Well, it's not Corellian ale,” Jaina quipped with a shrug as she poured and passed them all an overly generous cup, “but I think we could all use this right about now.”
In that, his daughter's personality was all too often like looking in a mirror. Jaina gave a slanted grin, catching the stray thought from his mind, and Han was powerless to return it. “It's always good to know that you were raised right, kid,” he approved, tipping his cup towards her.
At that, even Allana could not help but softly snort in amusement. Pulling slightly away from him, she raised her glass, and waited for them to do the same. “To those who can no longer be with us,” she toasted, her voice grave.
“To those who can no longer be with us,” Jaina echoed, looking up from her wine to meet his eyes.
“To those who can no longer be with us,” Han agreed, and with a final salute, he tipped his wine back and drank.
Beyond them, the flames continued to sail off into the shadows of the winter night, while at his shoulder, he thought to feel the touch of a familiar presence. There was no physical form . . . nothing his eyes could see or his ears could hear, and yet, he thought he knew . . .
“Until we meet again,” Han concluded, and watched that one, last candle as it winked away in the dark.
~MJ
Mira_Jade , Jan 1, 2017
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Briannakin Grand Moff Darth Fanfic & Costuming/Props Manager Staff Member Manager
I'M NOT CRYING! I'M NOT CRYING!
Okay. I'm a blubbering mess and it's all your fault. But the tears are very cathartic. The first part was simply wonderful: Leia taking just one quiet day in the middle of the Rebellion just to remember. To allow Han into that moment says so much.
And the coda! Oh so sad, but oh so beautiful. In universe, it is truly tragic to imagine Han living on without Leia. And in our world, saying goodbye to a star that most of us never met, but through her kindness, humour, and openness, we all knew, gone far too early, is really cause for grief. This line just broke me (in a cleansing sort of way) :
Briannakin , Jan 1, 2017
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Sith-I-5 Force Ghost
That's a heck of an imagination you have there, Kiddo.
A wonderfully expanded and realised Rebel Base, from the belly of an overhead glacier, to the emotions of their princess. Yes, it would make sense that she would lead the masses at the official remembrance ceremony.
This was beautiful and perfect, a mix of the familiar - Hoth - and the (to me) unfamiliar, everything to do with Alderaan, Dewlanna (in their way, both Han and Chewie are children of Wookiees); a galaxy where Jaina is Empress.
Incredibly well written and described. With the lost products of emerald wine, harvest cakes?, their ingredients, and the sacred bit of river high in the mountains, the more intimate hypermatter strikes of Rogue One came to mind; all that can be lost forever with a planet's destruction.
Excellent exploration of the thoughts of Han, Luke, Leia. Great touches, Leia inviting him to light a candle to Dewlanna; her delight when he mastered difficult parts of Shyriiwook, and did some carving. Perhaps Leia's loss was too vast for me to deal with; I empathised more with the Han/Dewlanna one, and really loved everything you wrote about that.
Three items bothered me. The last taught me something about myself; I am clearly not over Anakin's role in Chewie's demise.
Oh yes, very poignant having Leia's issue being heart-related too. Cilghal must be pushing on a bit!
Sith-I-5, Jan 1, 2017
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laurethiel1138 Jedi Grand Master
Oh! Mira!
What can I say? I loved this little story, which brought me back to the Legends universe at the time I am coming to appreciate the new canon. And what serendipity, to begin such a story just as our own Princess was taken away from us...
I do not usually cry reading books, and yet I felt tears in my eyes as the story unfolded, echoing so tragically our real-world concerns, in a poignant reversal of roles from the happenings of TFA. In that other reality, I could see Leia, weighed down by grief, ruefully lighting a candle for Han as she realised one could not defy the odds forever, and refusing to light one for her son because he was not dead yet, only lost to himself.
All in all, a somewhat difficult story to read, for it is no light subject matter, yet also a cathartic one, allowing us to slowly let go of our grief as we share our experiences and remember Carrie for the gifts she left us, and not for the future she will no longer see.
laurethiel1138, Jan 3, 2017
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Briannakin said:
Oh, good, I wasn't crying while writing it, either. (Which is such a rare thing, I never tear up at things I write - this one hit all the emotional buttons, I suppose. )
And the coda! Oh so sad, but oh so beautiful. In universe, it is truly tragic to imagine Han living on without Leia. And in our world, saying goodbye to a star that most of us never met, but through her kindness, humour, and openness, we all knew, gone far too early, is really cause for grief.
I am so happy to hear that this touched you! That was exactly what I had in mind while writing it, and it's gratifying to know that's how the prose was received. I thank you so much for reading, and for taking the time to leave your thoughts!
Sith-I-5 said:
A wonderfully expanded and realised Rebel Base, from the belly of an overhead glacier, to the emotions of their princess.
Why thank-you! I had a lot of fun brainstorming for this, that's for certain.
Oooh, you have to check out A. C. Crispin's Han Solo trilogy then! They are still three of my favourite SW novels, and she does such a great job telling Han and Dewlanna's story, amongst other things.
Jaina as Empress of the Fel Imperium is rather pieced together, I believe - we know that Jag is the first Fel Emperor, and Jaina marries him, so, by logic that makes her empress? I'll admit that my post NJO reading has been splotchy - for obvious reasons, I feel.
Are any of us, really? That was so hard to adjust to, and mourn! But I'm glad that you took away so many points from this you liked - reading your thoughts really made my day!
I couldn't resist mirroring real life like that, you know? It seemed only fitting while writing.
And then, now that I think of it, I'm not really sure what the parameters for Mon Calamarian life-spans are? She is working well into her latter days, you could definitely say! I always assumed them to live longer than humans, but that could be my personal head-canon enabling me to use a familiar face. I'll be honest about that.
Once again, I thank you so very much for reading!
laurethiel1138 said:
I couldn't help but go back to the Legends continuity for this piece - I grew up reading the EU as much as I grew up on Star Wars as a whole, and these characters are like coming back to old friends. As much as I like bits and pieces of the new canon - the new trio, especially! - this canon remains my preferred Solo family, and I was quite happy to return to them.
Oh - now that is one of the biggest compliments a writer may receive. I am touched to hear that this moved you so deeply.
And the idea of Leia lighting one of these candles for Han? Now that is definitely something begging to be written! If I don't get to it, I know another author who has quite a lyrical hand that I wouldn't mind seeing tackle to concept.
I could say it no better than that, myself! I thank you for reading, laure, and for taking the time to leave your thoughts!
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AzureAngel2 Force Ghost
Oh, I did not find this wonderful gem before today! I am very sorry not to have found it any earlier. But now I have to comment on it, even though my words will not be as breathtaking or witty like anything that has occurred by user JC users.
You truly melted the ice between Han and Leia with this fic. The sweetness of it, the honesty - simply wonderful.
And you basically passed the torch/ candle on to the next generations.
This way the dead and their sacrifices will not be forgotten!
AzureAngel2, Jan 8, 2017
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Ewok Poet Force Ghost
Sorry that it took me a while! This was a long read, but absolutely worth it. I don't remember having read anything you wrote before, so I'm glad that you decided to respond to the OTP challenge.
This is disturbingly wonderful and wonderfully disturbing.
I can totally see how reality influenced fantasy to write this story. And the chilling realisation of one's far younger spouse passing away first was so real here. But it wraps up so perfectly - Han discovers his own soft side and realises that he is not afraid to be sad around others in the same place where he first saw Leia cry. Making peace with everybody she herself made peace with and remembering everybody who left the living world before her almost seems like a challenge at this stage, but the fact that Han did honour it is a big deal. And, on top of all this are the breathtaking icescapes of Hoth.
I don't know a lot about Legends apart from what I had read on the Wook, but a young adult Allana is pretty well-written and so is Jaina the Empress.
Ewok Poet, Jan 8, 2017
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Cowgirl Jedi 1701 Jedi Grand Master
I just .... can't .... even.
Cowgirl Jedi 1701, Jan 11, 2017
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AzureAngel2 said: ↑
Oh, you sell yourself short! I adored your review, and thank you for taking the time to leave your thoughts. The encouragement is always appreciated.
Oh, the metaphors did become a bit literal, there, didn't they? I'm glad that those bits struck you - the pleasure was all mine in writing it, really.
Ewok Poet said: ↑
I have a tendency to write long, so I thank you for wading through all those words! I really owe the challenge quite the debt for wiping the dust off of my SW muse, that's for sure - it really had been too long.
Excellent. My work here is done.
Thanks! I exorcised quite a bit of emotion writing this, that's for sure, and I like to imagine that the characters within this did the same, as well.
The rest - Hoth, young Allana, Empress Jaina - those were just the icing on the cake for me, and a fun way to stretch writing muscles that haven't been used in much too long. I am glad that they came across well, without much rustiness on my part.
Once again, I thank you for reading, and for taking the time to leave your thoughts!
Cowgirl Jedi 1701 said: ↑
And, last but not least: a big old thank-you to everyone else who may have read this and enjoyed.
Mira_Jade , Jan 18, 2017
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Findswoman Force Ghost
This was a lovely and touching story about these two, their relationship, and their memories.
I particularly appreciate the way you pointed out what can be considered a somewhat serious omission in ANH: we get to see a lot of Luke mourning for Ben, and Leia comforting him, but there’s almost nothing of Leia’s reaction to the destruction of Alderaan—of not just one person but everyone she knew back home, plus some. But, as you say, it's because she’s constantly moving on to help others, to put others’ feelings and well-being before her own. That can take a huge emotional toll, so it’s so good to see her getting some "alone time" with her feelings, memories, and grief here.
The ritual of the floating candles is beautiful, and the setting of the underground river, with the various colored stalactites and its more temperate temperature, is just fantastic—I may just need a setting like that in my own epic in not too long from now, so I’ll bear this story in mind.
The coda is a nice addition in light of Carrie Fisher’s death (and I like that you made it for the same reason—her heart). It is neat to see the similarities and differences between the ceremony back then and the ceremony now, in such different times. So many more candles now, even for young Allana! But there’s still the continuity of the generations, the enduring love they all have for each other, and the fact that this time they don’t have to worry about whether they’ll be around to perform the ritual next year. That is definitely worth raising a “cup of kindness” too!
Thanks so much for sharing—great to see you back in the SW side of things, and looking forward to more whenever it comes.
Findswoman, Jan 21, 2017
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Anedon Jedi Grand Master
Oh Mira
Why are sad stories sometimes just so beautifull?
I don´t even know what to say, I had tears in my eyes the entire time and I started to cry when I can to this part:
Mira_Jade said: ↑
And I didn´t stopped until the end.
I defenetly wasn´t prepaared for this, Jacen´s fate is just so sad. But it gives me hope that his family has forgiven him and see the boy not the Sith in him.
The rest of the story was also sad and beautifull at the same time, Thanks.
Anedon, Feb 20, 2017
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WarmNyota_SweetAyesha Game Host VIP - Game Host
I have missed MISSED MISSED MISSED YOU. Your genius for characterization, for introspection, for setting the tone and describing the scene so that I can literally taste it!!! "For those who can no longer be with us" and "Until we meet again." Won't be long, Sis of mine. Woohoo! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
WarmNyota_SweetAyesha, Jun 6, 2017
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AkyeRae Jedi Master
Yeah. Definitely no tears over here. Sniff sniff. None at all.
You have a beautiful way with imagery and atmosphere. You weave everything together so well. I can see it in my mind perfectly and feel it all as though I’m there with them. A gorgeous piece of writing.
While I loved Rogue One and most of the individual characters in Episodes VII and VIII I’ve really missed the EU, despite being massively irritated with everything NJO and after. The new canon took away my childhood friends (No, I definitely didn’t have temper tantrums when Chewie and Anakin died...) and Han and Leia’s broken relationship just makes me feel like Star Wars lost something vital. This piece felt like mourning for the Legacy/EU as much as for Carrie herself.
So glad I found this.
AkyeRae, Sep 2, 2018
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teamhansolo Jedi Master
You totally didn't just make me cry. Definitely not.
This story is so sweet, and horribly sad.... I really like your idea of Leia dying before Han, I never even thought of it until reading this story.
teamhansolo, Sep 4, 2018
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Integrity Transform Carrying Roll-Over Counter for the Secure Real-time Transport Protocol (SRTP)
From: draft-lehtovirta-srtp-rcc-06 Proposed Standard
IPR declarations
Errata exist
Network Working Group V. Lehtovirta
Request for Comments: 4771 M. Naslund
Category: Standards Track K. Norrman
Integrity Transform Carrying Roll-Over Counter
for the Secure Real-time Transport Protocol (SRTP)
This document specifies an Internet standards track protocol for the
Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for
improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the "Internet
Official Protocol Standards" (STD 1) for the standardization state
and status of this protocol. Distribution of this memo is unlimited.
Copyright (C) The IETF Trust (2007).
This document defines an integrity transform for Secure Real-time
Transport Protocol (SRTP; see RFC 3711), which allows the roll-over
counter (ROC) to be transmitted in SRTP packets as part of the
authentication tag. The need for sending the ROC in SRTP packets
arises in situations where the receiver joins an ongoing SRTP session
and needs to quickly and robustly synchronize. The mechanism also
enhances SRTP operation in cases where there is a risk of losing
sender-receiver synchronization.
1. Introduction ....................................................2
1.1. Terminology ................................................3
2. The Transform ...................................................3
3. Transform Modes .................................................5
4. Parameter Negotiation ...........................................5
5. Security Considerations .........................................7
6. IANA Considerations ............................................10
7. Acknowledgements ...............................................10
8. References .....................................................10
8.1. Normative References ......................................10
8.2. Informative References ....................................10
Lehtovirta, et al. Standards Track [Page 1]
RFC 4771 Roll-Over Counter Carrying Transform January 2007
When a receiver joins an ongoing SRTP [RFC3711] session, out-of-band
signaling must provide the receiver with the value of the ROC the
sender is currently using. For instance, it can be transferred in
the Common Header Payload of a MIKEY [RFC3830] message. In some
cases, the receiver will not be able to synchronize his ROC with the
one used by the sender, even if it is signaled to him out of band.
Examples of where synchronization failure will appear are:
1. The receiver receives the ROC in a MIKEY message together with a
key required for a particular continuous service. He does not,
however, join the service until after a few hours, at which point
the sender's sequence number (SEQ) has wrapped around, and so the
sender, meanwhile, has increased the value of ROC. When the user
joins the service, he grabs the SEQ from the first seen SRTP
packet and prepends the ROC to build the index. If integrity
protection is used, the packet will be discarded. If there is no
integrity protection, the packet may (if key derivation rate is
non-zero) be decrypted using the wrong session key, as ROC is used
as input in session key derivation. In either case, the receiver
will not have its ROC synchronized with the sender, and it is not
possible to recover without out-of-band signaling.
2. If the receiver leaves the session (due to being out of radio
coverage or because of a user action), and does not start
receiving traffic from the service again until after 2^15 packets
have been sent, the receiver will be out of synchronization (for
the same reasons as in example 1).
3. The receiver joins a service when the SEQ has recently wrapped
around (say, SEQ = 0x0001). The sender generates a MIKEY message
and includes the current value of ROC (say, ROC = 1) in the MIKEY
message. The MIKEY message reaches the receiver, who reads the
ROC value and initializes its local ROC to 1. Now, if an SRTP
packet prior to wraparound, i.e., with a SEQ lower than 0 (say,
SEQ = 0xffff), was delayed and reaches the receiver as the first
SRTP packet he sees, the receiver will initialize its highest
received sequence number, s_l, to 0xffff. Next, the receiver will
receive SRTP packets with sequence numbers larger than zero, and
will deduce that the SEQ has wrapped. Hence, the receiver will
incorrectly update the ROC and be out of synchronization.
4. Similarly to (3), since the initial SEQ is selected at random by
the sender, it may happen to be selected as a value very close to
0xffff. In this case, should the first few packets be lost, the
receiver may similarly end up out of synchronization.
These problems have been recognized in, e.g., 3GPP2 and 3GPP, where
SRTP is used for streaming media protection in their respective
multicast/broadcast solutions [BCMCS][MBMS]. Problem 4 actually
exists inherently due to the way SEQ initialization is done in RTP.
One possible approach to address the issue could be to carry the ROC
in the MKI (Master Key Identifier) field of each SRTP packet. This
has the advantage that the receiver immediately knows the entire
index for a packet. Unfortunately, the MKI has no semantics in RFC
3711 (other than specifying master key), and a regular RFC 3711
compliant implementation would not be able to make use of the
information carried in the MKI. Furthermore, the MKI field is not
integrity protected; hence, care must be taken to avoid obvious
attacks against the synchronization.
In this document, a solution is presented where the ROC is carried in
the authentication tag of a special integrity transform in selected
SRTP packets.
The benefit of this approach is that the functionality of fast and
robust synchronization can be achieved as a separate integrity
transform, using the hooks existing in SRTP. Furthermore, when the
ROC is transmitted to the receiver it needs to be integrity protected
to avoid persistent denial-of-service (DoS) attacks or transmission
errors that could bring the receiver out of synchronization. (A DoS
attack is regarded as persistent if it can last after the attacker
has left the area; in this particular case, an attacker could modify
the ROC in one packet and the victim would be out of synchronization
until the next ROC is transmitted). The above discussion leads to
the conclusion that it makes sense to carry the ROC inside the
authentication tag of an integrity transform.
2. The Transform
The transform, hereafter called Roll-over Counter Carrying Transform
(or RCC for short), works as follows.
The sender processes the RTP packet according to RFC 3711. When
applying the message integrity transform, the sender checks if the
SEQ is equal to 0 modulo some non-zero integer constant R. If that
is the case, the sender computes the MAC in the same way as is done
when using the default integrity transform (i.e., HMAC-SHA1(auth_key,
Authenticated_portion || ROC)). Next, the sender truncates the MAC
by 32 bits to generate MAC_tr, i.e., MAC_tr is the tag_length - 32
most significant bits of the MAC. Next, the sender constructs the
tag as TAG = ROC_sender || MAC_tr, where ROC_sender is the value of
his local ROC, and appends the tag to the packet. See the security
considerations section for discussions on the effects of shortening
the MAC. In particular, note that a tag-length of 32 bits gives no
security at all.
If the SEQ is not equal to 0 mod R, the sender just proceeds to
process the packet according to RFC 3711 without performing the
actions in the previous paragraph.
The value R is the rate at which the ROC is included in the SRTP
packets. Since the ROC consumes four octets, this gives the
possibility to use it sparsely.
When the receiver receives an SRTP packet, it processes the packet
according to RFC 3711 except that during authentication processing
ROC_local is replaced by ROC_sender (retrieved from the packet).
This works as follows. In the step where integrity protection is to
be verified, if the SEQ is equal to 0 modulo R, the receiver extracts
ROC_sender from the TAG and verifies the MAC computed (in the same
way as if the default integrity transform was used) over the
authenticated portion of the packet (as defined in [RFC3711]), but
concatenated with ROC_sender instead of concatenated with the
local_ROC. The receiver generates MAC_tr for the MAC verification in
the same way the sender did. Note that the session key used in the
MAC calculation is dependent on the ROC, and during the derivation of
the session integrity key, the ROC found in the packet under
consideration MUST be used. If the verification is successful, the
receiver sets his local ROC equal to the ROC carried in the packet.
If the MAC does not verify, the packet MUST be dropped. The
rationale for using the ROC from the packet in the MAC calculation is
that if the receiver has an incorrect ROC value, MAC verification
will fail, so the receiver will not correct his ROC.
If the SEQ is not equal to 0 mod R, the receiver just proceeds to
Since Secure Real-time Transport Control Protocol (SRTCP) already
carries the entire index in-band, there is no reason to apply this
transform to SRTCP. Hence, the transform SHALL only be applied to
SRTP, and SHALL NOT be used with SRTCP.
3. Transform Modes
The above transform only provides integrity protection for the
packets that carry the ROC (this will be referred to as mode 1). In
the cases where there is a need to integrity protect all the packets,
the packets that do not have SEQ equal to 0 mod R MUST be protected
using the default integrity transform (this will be referred to as
mode 2).
Under some circumstances, it may be acceptable not to use integrity
protection on any of the packets; this will be referred to as mode 3.
Without integrity protection of the packets carrying the ROC, a DoS
attack, which will prevail until the next correctly received ROC, is
possible. Make sure to carefully read the security considerations in
Section 5 before using mode 3.
In case no integrity protection is offered, i.e., mode 3, the
following applies. The receiver's SRTP layer SHOULD ignore the ROC
value from the packet if the application layer can indicate to it
that the local ROC is synchronized with the sender (hence, the packet
would be processed using the local ROC). Note that the received ROC
still MUST be removed from the packet before continued processing.
In this scenario, the application layer feedback to the SRTP layer
need not be on a per-packet basis, and it can consist merely of a
boolean value set by the application layer and read by the SRTP
layer.
Thus, note the following difference. Using mode 2 will integrity
protect all RTP packets, but only add ROC to those having SEQ
divisible by R. Using mode 1 and setting R equal to one will also
integrity protect all packets, but will in addition to that add ROC
to each packet. Modes 1 and 2 MUST compute the MAC in the same way
as the pre-defined authentication transform for SRTP, i.e., HMAC-
SHA1.
To comply with this specification, mode 1, mode 2, and mode 3 are
MANDATORY to implement. However, it is up to local policy to decide
which mode(s) are allowed to be used.
4. Parameter Negotiation
RCC requires that a few parameters are signaled out of band. The
parameters that must be in place before the transform can be used are
integrity transform mode and the rate, R, at which the ROC will be
transmitted. This can be done using, e.g., MIKEY [RFC3830].
To perform the parameter negotiation using MIKEY, three integrity
transforms have been registered -- RCCm1, RCCm2, and RCCm3 in Table
6.10.1.c of [RFC3830] -- for the three modes defined.
Table 1. Integrity transforms
SRTP auth alg | Value
--------------+------
RCCm1 | 2
Furthermore, the parameter R has been registered in Table 6.10.1.a of
Table 2. Integrity transform parameter
Type | Meaning | Possible values
-----+-----------------------------+----------------
13 | ROC transmission rate | 16-bit integer
The ROC transmission rate, R, is given in network byte order. R MUST
be a non-zero unsigned integer. If the ROC transmission rate is not
included in the negotiation, the default value of 1 SHALL be used.
To have the ability to use different integrity transforms for SRTP
and SRTCP, which is needed in connection to the use of RCC, the
following additional parameters have been registered in Table
6.10.1.a of [RFC3830]:
Table 3. Integrity parameters
14 | SRTP Auth. algorithm | see below
15 | SRTCP Auth. algorithm | see below
16 | SRTP Session Auth. key len | see below
17 | SRTCP Session Auth. key len | see below
18 | SRTP Authentication tag len | see below
19 | SRTCP Authentication tag len| see below
The possible values for authentication algorithms (types 14 and 15)
are the same as for the "Authentication algorithm" parameter (type 2)
in Table 6.10.1.a of RFC 3830 with the addition of the values found
in Table 1 above.
The possible values for session authentication key lengths (types 16
and 17) are the same as for the "Session Auth. key length" parameter
(type 3) in Table 6.10.1.a of RFC 3830.
The possible values for authentication tag lengths (types 18 and 19)
are the same as for the "Authentication tag length" parameter (type
11) in Table 6.10.1.a of RFC 3830 with the addition that the length
of ROC MUST be included in the "Authentication tag length" parameter.
This means that the minimum tag length when using RCC is 32 bits.
To avoid ambiguities when introducing these new parameters that have
overlapping functionality to existing parameters in Table 6.10.1.a of
RFC 3830, the following approach MUST be taken: If any of the
parameter types 14-19 (specifying behavior specific to SRTP or SRTCP)
and a corresponding general parameter (type 2, 3, or 11) are both
present in the policy, the more specific parameter SHALL have
precedence. For example, if the "Authentication algorithm" parameter
(type 2) is set to HMAC-SHA-1, and the "SRTP Auth. Algorithm" (type
14) is set to RCCm1, SRTP will use the RCCm1 algorithm, but since
there is no specific algorithm chosen for SRTCP, the more generally
specified one (HMAC-SHA-1) is used.
An analogous method already exists in SRTCP (the SRTCP index is
carried in each packet under integrity protection). To the best of
our knowledge, the only security consideration introduced here is
that the entire SRTP index (ROC || SEQ) will become public since it
is transferred without encryption. (In normal SRTP operation, only
the SEQ-part of the index is disclosed.) However, RFC 3711 does not
identify a need for encrypting the SRTP index.
It is important to realize that only every Rth packet is integrity
protected in mode 1, so unless R = 1, the mechanism should be seen
for what it is: a way to improve sender-receiver synchronization, and
not a replacement for integrity protection.
The use of mode 3 (NULL-MAC) introduces a vulnerability not present
in RFC 3711; namely, if an attacker modifies the ROC, the
modification will go undetected by the receiver, and the receiver
will lose cryptographic synchronization until the next correct ROC is
received. This implies that an attacker can perform a DoS attack by
only modifying every Rth packet. Because of this, mode 3 MUST only
be used after proper risk assessment of the underlying network.
Besides the considerations in Section 9.5 and 9.5.1 of RFC 3711,
additional requirements of the underlying transport network must be
met.
o The transport network must only consist of trusted domains. That
means that everyone on the path from the source to the destination
is trusted not to modify or inject packets.
o The transport network must be protected from packet injection,
i.e., it must be ensured that the only packets present on the path
from the source to the destination(s) originate from trusted
sources.
o If the packets, on their way from the source to the
destination(s), travel outside of a trusted domain, their
integrity must be ensured (e.g., by using a Virtual Private
Network (VPN) connection or a trusted leased line).
In the (assumed common) case that the last link to the destination(s)
is a wireless link, the possibility that an attacker injects forged
packets here must be carefully considered before using mode 3.
Especially, if used in a broadcast setting, many destinations would
be affected by the attack. However, unless R is big, this DoS attack
would be similar in effect to radio jamming, which would be easier to
perform.
It must also be noted that if the ROC is modified by an attacker and
no integrity protection is used, the output of the decryption will
not be useful to the upper layers, and these must be able to cope
with data that appears random. In the case integrity protection is
used on the packets containing the ROC, and the ROC is modified by an
attacker (and the receiver already has an approximation of the ROC,
e.g., by getting it previously), the packet will be discarded and the
receiver will not be able to decrypt correctly. Note, however, that
the situation is better in the latter case, since the receiver now
can try different ROC values in a neighborhood around the approximate
value he already has.
As RCC is expected to be used in a broadcast setting where group
membership will be based on access to a symmetric group key, it is
important to point out the following. With symmetric-key-based
integrity protection, it may be as easy, if not easier, to get access
to the integrity key (often a combination of a low-cost activity of
purchasing a subscription and breaking the security of a terminal to
extract the integrity key) as being able to transmit.
A word of warning regarding the choice of length of the
authentication tag: Note that, in contrast to common MAC tags, there
is a clear distinction made between the RCC authentication tag and
the RCC MAC. The tag is the container holding the MAC (and for some
packets also the ROC), and the MAC is the output from the MAC-
algorithm (i.e., HMAC-SHA1). The length of the authentication tag
with the RCC transform includes the four-octet ROC in some packets.
This means that for a tag-length of n octets, there is only room for
a MAC of length n - 4, i.e., a tag-length of n octets does not
provide a full n-octet integrity protection on all packets. There
are five cases:
1. RCCm1 is used and tag-length is n. For those packets that
SEQ = 0 mod R, the ROC is carried in the tag and occupies four
octets. This leaves n - 4 octets for the MAC.
SEQ != 0 mod R, there is no ROC carried in the tag. For RCCm1
there is no MAC on packets not carrying the ROC, so neither the
length of the MAC nor the length of the tag has any relevance.
octets. This leaves n - 4 octets for the MAC (this is
equivalent to case 1).
SEQ != 0 mod R, there is no ROC carried in the tag. This
leaves n octets for the MAC.
5. RCCm3 is used. RCCm3 does not use any MAC, but the ROC still
occupies four octets in the tag for packets with SEQ = 0 mod R,
so the tag-length MUST be set to four. For packets with
SEQ != 0 mod R, neither the length of the MAC nor the length of
the tag has any relevance.
The conclusion is that in cases 1 and 3, the length of the MAC is
shorter than the length of the authentication tag. To achieve the
same (or less) MAC forgery success probability on all packets when
using RCCm1 or RCCm2, as with the default integrity transform in RFC
3711, the tag-length must be set to 14 octets, which means that the
length of MAC_tr is 10 octets.
It is recommended to set the tag-length to 14 octets when RCCm1 or
RCCm2 is used, and the tag-length MUST be set to four octets when
RCCm3 is used.
According to Section 10 of RFC 3830, IETF consensus is required to
register values in the range 0-240 in the SRTP auth alg namespace and
the SRTP Type namespace.
The value 2 for RCCm1, the value 3 for RCCm2, and the value 4 for
RCCm3 have been registered in the SRTP auth alg namespace as
specified in Table 1 in Section 4.
The value 13 for ROC transmission rate has been registered in the
SRTP Type namespace as specified in Table 2 in Section 4.
The values 14 to 19 have been registered in the SRTP Type namespace
according to Table 3 in Section 4.
We would like to thank Nigel Dallard, Lakshminath Dondeti, and David
McGrew for fruitful comments and discussions.
[RFC3830] Arkko, J., Carrara, E., Lindholm, F., Naslund, M., and K.
Norrman, "MIKEY: Multimedia Internet KEYing", RFC 3830,
[RFC3711] Baugher, M., McGrew, D., Naslund, M., Carrara, E., and K.
Norrman, "The Secure Real-time Transport Protocol (SRTP)",
RFC 3711, March 2004.
[MBMS] 3GPP TS 33.246, "3G Security; Security of Multimedia
Broadcast/ Multicast Service (MBMS)", October 2006.
[BCMCS] 3GPP2 X.S0022-0, "Broadcast and Multicast Service in
cdma2000 Wireless IP Network", February 2005.
Lehtovirta, et al. Standards Track [Page 10]
Vesa Lehtovirta
Ericsson Research
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EMail: vesa.lehtovirta@ericsson.com
Mats Naslund
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EMail: mats.naslund@ericsson.com
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EMail: karl.norrman@ericsson.com
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Home Locations DC Magic Time!: ‘Roz and Ray’ at Theater J
Magic Time!
Magic Time!: ‘Roz and Ray’ at Theater J
John Stoltenberg
This is an absolutely absorbing medical drama performed with full-on passion by two of DC’s top-tier actors. Susan Rome plays Roz, a hematologist dedicated to her role as healer, and Tom Story plays Ray, a single dad dedicated to keeping alive his hemophiliac twin boys. The story traverses a timeline beginning in 1975, when the twins are children and blood products are still an effective treatment for hemophilia, through the “gay plague” years when the twins reach their late teens and the blood supply has been contaminated—meaning that nearly all hemophiliacs are dying of AIDs.
Susan Rome as Roz and Tom Story as Ray in Roz and Ray. Photo by C. Stanley Photography.
Though that summary of the setup sounds like a disease-of-the-month made-for-TV movie, the performances in the production at Theater J, under the compassionate direction of Artistic Director Adam Immerwahr, place before us two utterly believable whole people who are trying with all their might to do the right thing and can’t. Because offstage an ineluctable tragedy is unfolding. And there is no right thing left to do.
We see the choices they are faced with. We watch each of them agonize. We see him contest her choices, and we see her admit remorse. And steadily through this sturdy drama, we see the consequences of their decisions. When Ray says he has tried to read When Bad Things Happen to Good People, we get it: We are witnessing ruinous things happening to well-meaning people.
Not unlike as happens in real life. And not unlike how the ancient tragedians did it.
Playwright Karen Hartman’s achievement in Roz and Ray is to script a two-hander Greek tragedy. The functional Fates in her play are as real as eons ago the Fates were in myth: A virus run amok, Big Pharma, governmental indifference, medical science trying to cope—all a fickle offstage malevolence essentially impervious to human well-being. Our two heroes Roz and Ray are helpless to counteract these Fates. As indeed they cannot; they can only react. For whatever agency they may like to think they have, whatever few choices they may want to think they can make, the Fates call all the shots.
Susan Rome and Tom Story in Roz and Ray. Photo by C. Stanley Photography.
Hartman’s story does contravene one of Aristotle’s unities, however: It jumps back and forth in time. Projections appear above the stage to point us to what year we’re in. And the challenging text demands that Rome and Story, with their consummate skill, quickly recalibrate their characters’ emotional lives for scenes played out of chronological sequence. Thus as the narrative flashes to and fro, we are spared feelings of pity, grief, and fear such as the Fates called forth when the contagion was full-blown and there was yet no stopping it.
Inspired by the medical career of her late father, who treated hemophiliac children, Hartman set out to tell a story that has been missing in the succession of plays about AIDS: a story about the collateral damage from transmission through the blood supply. She did not make that up. Everything else she did. Which is why at times the play’s momentum feels a second-hand happenstance, not sui generis character-generated heat.
But for those who remember and lived through the plague years, Roz and Ray offers a rare gift. It is a chance to review that grim time from the distance of a contextualizing seeing place. Yes, there is tragedy in life. Yes, there be forces with us like the Fates. But there is always human agency left to us with one another—as for instance when Roz and Ray finally forgive each other their errors.
Roz and Ray is more than a medical drama about a disease. It is a poignant parable about the fundamental meaning of our lives.
Running Time: One hour and 35 minutes, with no intermission.
Roz and Ray plays through April 29, 2018, at Theater J’s Aaron and Cecile Goldman Theater, located inside the Edlavitch DC Jewish Community Center, 1529 16th St., NW, Washington DC. For tickets, call 202-777-3210 or go online.
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John Stoltenberg is currently interim editor in chief of DC Metro Theater Arts. He writes both reviews and his Magic Time! column, which he named after that magical moment between life and art just before a show begins. In it, he explores how art makes sense of life—and vice versa—as he reflects on meanings that matter in the theater he sees. Decades ago, in college, John began writing, producing, directing, and acting in plays. He continued through grad school—earning an M.F.A. in theater arts from Columbia University School of the Arts—then lucked into a job as writer-in-residence and administrative director with the influential experimental theater company The Open Theatre, whose legendary artistic director was Joseph Chaikin. Meanwhile, his own plays were produced off-off-Broadway, and he won a New York State Arts Council grant to write plays. Then John’s life changed course: He turned to writing nonfiction essays, articles, and books and had a distinguished career as a magazine editor. But he kept going to the theater, the art form that for him has always been the most transcendent and transporting and best illuminates the acts and ethics that connect us. He tweets at @JohnStoltenberg.
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Orthodox Jews Use Bolt Cutters to Get Into Bill de Blasio's Locked Parks - VIDEO
Mike Vance
New York City authorities shut down parks in Jewish neighborhoods which prevented children from playing in them. Orthodox Jews rejected the orders of de Blasio and cut the locks with bolt cutters so their kids could play.
Based Orthodox Jews reject de Blasio's hypocritical orders to close the park (for social distancing) and cut the locks so their kids can play. pic.twitter.com/msAafBjqY6
While Mayor Bill de Blasio has been very supportive of large, crowded Black Lives Matters rallies as well as transgender demonstrations, he has made life tough for those looking to worship, particularly Jews.
Earlier on Monday, the city welded the gates shut at Borough Park in Brooklyn.
Yes. This is actually happening now!
Bill de Blasio is Welding the gates at the biggest park in the Jewish community, (Borough Park, Brooklyn) So your child shouldn't try to break in. While Hundreds of thousands of people gathered yesterday at Brooklyn Museum.#deBlasioMustGo pic.twitter.com/Q02ew5O5nZ
— Joel Fischer (@JFNYC1) June 15, 2020
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— Yossi Gestetner (@YossiGestetner) June 15, 2020
Back in April, de Blasio personally oversaw the breakup of a Jewish funeral procession. He then criticized the community for not following social distancing guidelines. De Blasio and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo have both been sued for religious discrimination.
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Kafka Disputed And Discussed In Present Day Court Of Law Trial
Well – wow!
This is something to cite when its time to promote my novel, Kafka In The Castle.
Come to think about it – it is worthy of a blog.
I side with the judge’s statement. Perhaps Kafka would have not pointed at this situation and said “I told you so”. But, he would have smiled in recognition.
However, if one sticks to the Urban Dictionary definition of “Kafkaesque”, then The Trial would not fit.
Fredericton hospital employee gets job back — again
Justice Hugh McLellan agrees with adjudicator’s take on Kafka in ruling
By Robert Jones, Posted: Sep 15, 2017 7:30 AM ATLast Updated: Sep 15, 2017 7:47 AM AT
Paul Lynch has been sterilizing the lab and medical equipment at the Dr. Everett Chalmers Hospital in Fredericton for 12 years. (Alan White/CBC)
Hospital worker fired for being AWOL while in jail on 7th DUI wins job back
In a sometimes bizarre court hearing that eventually boiled down to an interpretation of the century-old writings of novelist Franz Kafka, a Fredericton hospital employee who disappeared from work without notice for several weeks has once again won the right to keep his job.
Paul Lynch, an environmental services worker or cleaner at the Dr. Everett Chalmers Hospital initially won reinstatement to that position last winter after a labour adjudicator ruled his absence and firing had been the result of a “Kafka-like” situation he had fallen into.
That triggered an appeal from the local health authority, in part questioning the adjudicator’s understanding of Kafka, the Prague-born author whose works include The Castle, The Trial and The Metamorphosis, a literary dispute then taken up by Court of Queen’s Bench Justice Hugh McLellan.
“I am not persuaded that the adjudicator’s expression ‘Kafka-like’ indicates error in his perspective or unreasonableness in his decision,” McLellan concluded.
Lynch had worked for the hospital for 12 years but failed to show up for his regular shift on November 13, 2015. He was eventually fired after five weeks of unexplained absences.
It was later learned Lynch had been in jail the whole time and was unable to call the hospital.
Guilty plea, then custody
Three hours before his shift was to start he had attended court to face an impaired driving charge. He entered a guilty plea and although he expected to return later for sentencing, it was his seventh conviction and he was instead taken into custody on the spot.
Internationally renowned Kafka expert Stanley Corngold says he would advise against anyone using references to Kafka in a court ruling. (Submitted)
Inmates are not permitted personal calls and Lynch was unable to make direct contact with the hospital during his 97 day stay in jail.
That, according to adjudicator John McAvoy, was right out of a Franz Kafka novel.
“No one who is convicted and sentenced to imprisonment for a limited term in New Brunswick should face the Kafka-like situation faced by Lynch in respect of his inability to contact his employer,” wrote McAvoy in ordering the hospital to reinstate Lynch.
“Here, citizens taken into custody by police and Corrections staff do not seemingly ‘disappear’ as did Lynch.”
Hospital lawyer disagrees
In appealing that decision to the courts, hospital lawyer Andrea Folster said McAvoy’s decision lacked “intelligibility” and especially panned his reference to Kafka.
“These extreme comments reflect the lens through which the Arbitrator deliberated this grievance and the overall unreasonableness of the Decision,” she argued.
“It’s an almost one to one correlation. They don’t know what they’re talking about.” – Stanley Corngold
A “Kafkaesque” situation more accurately describes something nightmarish … strongly surreal … with an ethereal, evil, omnipotent power floating just beyond the senses … marked by surreal distortion and often a sense of impending danger,” Folster said citing the Urban Dictionary’s definition of the term.
But Justice McLellan had his own view of the literature.
“Kafka characters struggle against rules and forces that cannot be understood,” he said and ruled he saw enough oddities in Lynch’s situation to conclude the Kafka reference was not unreasonable.
“The result falls in the range of possible outcomes,” he said of Lynch’s reinstatement by the adjudicator.
Expert weighs in
Princeton scholar and internationally renowned Kafka expert Stanley Corngold says he’s not surprised to hear the novelist became an issue in a New Brunswick court case — it happens frequently in the US — but advises against relying on any courthouse critiques of the writer.
“I wrote a paper not long ago in which I said ‘it’s a 100 per cent guarantee that anyone who uses the word Kafkaesque has not read Kafka,'” said Corngold.
“It’s an almost one to one correlation. They don’t know what they’re talking about.”
(source)http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-fredericton-hospital-employee-job-back-again-1.4290771
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Total <= 45: 30 Total >= 46: 133
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Female 0 0 9 2 11 28 19 0 0 0 69
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Percentage of MPs 40 years of age or youngerCompare data of this field. 11.04% 5.52% 5.52%
Percentage of MPs 45 years of age or youngerCompare data of this field. 18.4% 11.66% 6.75%
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Minimum age of eligibility The minimum age to become a member of parliament, or to run in parliamentary elections, may be different for each chamber in bicameral parliaments. The age of eligibility is sometimes higher than the minimum age for voting.
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Seth Meyers: Sean Hannity Accidentally Did Journalism With Rudy Giuliani Chat
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Seth Meyers took a crack at explaining to viewers what Rudy Giuliani was thinking when he announced President Donald Trump had lied about paying hush money to a porn star.
Trump’s administration is playing like a TV show that’s run out of idea and recruiting old characters, Meyers said, pointing to the return to the news cycle of his former doctor Harold Bornstein, and now former New York City mayor Giuliani, who joined Trump’ personal legal team.
It made sense that in hiring a new a lawyer Trump wanted “someone who is calm headed and analytical” — cheap shot intro to Giuliani’s jaw-dropping crazy RNC speech.
“I hope I have that much energy when I’m 200 years old,” Meyers joked of Rudy’s address. “I love that Trump saw that and thought, ‘Get THAT guy in a room with [Special Counsel Robert] Mueller!”
Giuliani has a lot on his plate. He’s not dealing with just the Russia probe, but the Michael Cohen situation. Trump’s position has been that he had nothing to do with the payment Cohen made to porn star Stormy Daniels, did not repay Cohen, and had no idea where the money came from. He said so on the record, to reporters last month, on Air Force One.
“Until last night when Mulberry Street Dracula over here went on Sean Hannity’s show on Fox News,” Meyers said of Giuliani. Rudy’s revelation was even more surprising, given that Hannity had not asked about the Cohen investigation – he’d asked a question about the infamous dossier and Russia. All he had to do to avoid undercutting Trump was not say the president repaid the money.
Which Giuliani then did, despite Hannity’s best effort to get him back on track.
“On Hannity! You cracked under no pressure!” Meyers marveled, speculating that if Giuliani had been O.J.’s lawyer he would have said, “Hey, even if the gloves don’t fit you can still stab somebody.”
Hannity could not believe he’d made news on his show, Meyers said, calling FNC’s primetime star the only guy who would say, “‘Dear god, what have I done? ‘ When what he has done is journalism.”
Meyers speculated everyone in Trump’s orbit freaks out when they get a closeup look at the Mueller investigation. Former Trump aide Michael Caputo, for instance, went on CNN Thursday, after being interviewed by Mueller’s team to report they “knew more about what I did in 2016 than I knew myself…They know more about Trump’s campaign than anyone who ever worked there.”
He said he was interviewed about three hours and compared it to a proctology appointment. “Makes sense because Trump is definitely pulling his answers out of his ass,” Meyers observed.
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(director/writer: David Mackenzie; screenwriter: from the book “Scottish Beat” by Alexander Trocchi; cinematographer: Giles Nuttgens; editor: Colin Monie; music: David Byrne; cast: Peter Mullan (Les Gault), Tilda Swinton (Ella Gault), Ewan McGregor (Joe Taylor), Emily Mortimer (Cathie Dimly), Jack McElhone (Jim Gault), Therese Bradley (Gwen), Ewan Stewart (Daniel Gordon); Runtime: 98; MPAA Rating: NC-17; producer: Jeremy Thomas; Sony Pictures Classics; 2003-UK)
“I was much impressed with this superbly performed and tightly scripted noirish period drama.”
Scottish director David Mackenzie (“The Last Great Wilderness”) helms with much feeling this lean, steamy and moody modern film noir from the 1953 book “Scottish Beat” by British “beat” writer Alexander Trocchi. It’s set in and around the canals between Edinburgh and Glasgow soon after World War II when fuel rationing was the order of the day. Its existential tone is much like Albert Camus’s “The Stranger,” while the location shots reminded me of Jean Vigo’s brilliant L’Atalante. Though differing in aims, they both were lyrical films with the waterprojecting a dreamworldthat sublimely lingers in the characters’ consciousness.
The film centers on an aspiring writer, a taciturn drifter named Joe Taylor (Ewan McGregor), who drops out of regular society and works on a coal barge owned by the downtrodden Ella Gault (Tilda Swinton). Her world-weary husband Les Gault (Peter Mullan) and young son Jim also work on the barge. One day the men fish out of the Clyde River the corpse of an unidentified young woman clad only in a petticoat, who floated down by the docks. A police investigation leads them to believe this is a murder case, and soon discover who the girl is and that she was having an affair with a married plumber (Ewan Stewart). When the police discover that she’s pregnant they arrest the innocent man on a murder charge. Joe, who knows what happened, wrestles with his conscience whether he should come forth and tell the authorities the truth.
The film successfully conveys a disturbing mood as the womanizing laborer interacts with the family, maintaining a friendship with Les and a hot sexual liaison with the raggedy Ella. Joe left his last longtime sexual relationship with an office worker named Cathie Dimly (Emily Mortimer), where he was a kept man, because he didn’t want to be boxed into a conventional life. He most enjoys loafing, reading and fucking, and the sex scenes are explicit giving it “The Last Tango in Paris” look. In one such nude scene shot in flashback of his ex-girlfriend, Joe humiliates Cathie by dumping a custard pie and ketch-up over her body while entering her from the rear.
There’s not much of a plot, but it’s an intensely dark tale about the dramatic consequences the drifter brings to fruition because of his ill-advised actions, selfishness, amoral behavior and inability to face the truth. The young protagonist’s attempt to escape from the world and be carefree seems harder to achieve than he thought, and his brave front soon fades as he becomes disillusioned with his quest.
I was much impressed with this superbly performed and tightly scripted noirish period drama. It had a menacing and honest quality that served its subject matter well, even though it only skims the surface of its projected depths and the sex seems so joyless and mechanical.
REVIEWED ON 9/19/2004 GRADE: B+ https://dennisschwartzreviews.com/
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The DesignMatters newsletter is the bimonthly membership newsletter of IIDA showcasing the latest Interior Design and A&D industry news, membership events and benefits, and design competitions, education, and trends.
Enter the 2014 EDspaces Innovation Awards
The 2nd annual EDspaces Innovation Awards is now open. The competition was created to recognize manufacturers and designers for excellence in product design for the learning environment. Only exhibitors at EDspaces 2014 are eligible to submit product entries. Products must be designed for the learning environment and offered for sale or use after January 1, 2013. Deadline to enter is Friday, Oct. 10, 2014. All winning products, manufacturers, and designers will be featured on the IIDA website. Visit the competition page for more information.
IIDA/Contract Magazine Booth Design Awards Application Period Open
IIDA is also accepting submissions for the 10th annual IIDA/Contract Magazine Booth Design Awards, honoring originality of design, visual impact, effective use of materials and the outstanding use of space, color, texture, lighting and graphics in booths at NeoCon East 2014. Winners will be featured in Contract magazine, and the IIDA and Merchandise Mart websites. Early deadline to submit is Friday, Oct. 24, 2014. Visit the competition page for additional information.
IIDA is Proud to Announce the Best of Competition Winner for the 2014 Best of Asia Pacific Design Awards
IIDA presented the Best of Competition award for the 2014 Best of Asia Pacific Design Awards to McBride Charles Ryan of Prahran, Australia, for their project, Penleigh and Essendon Grammar School “The Infinity Centre,” in Keilor East, Australia. The Best of Competition winner was celebrated alongside category winners at an awards ceremony and reception on Oct. 1, at the Conrad Centennial Singapore Hotel in Singapore. Images of the winning projects are available to view on the IIDA website and will be featured in the December issue of Contract magazine, the publishing partner for the competition. To view the full list of winners, click here.
IIDA BUZZ
IIDA Foundation Launches 2014 Designing for the Future Campaign
IIDA Foundation Trustees are pleased to announce the launch of the 2014 Designing for the Future Campaign, which opened Oct. 1, and will continue through Dec. 1. The funds raised from this year’s campaign will provide funding for the NCIDQ Tuition Reimbursement Fund. To date, 117 IIDA Members have received financial assistance from the Foundation upon passing the exam. This year, the trustees have also added a second beneficiary, the Council for Interior Design Accreditation, to support its development of accreditation standards for 2014-2015.
Don’t Miss IIDA at Orgatec in Cologne, Germany
IIDA Executive Vice President and CEO Cheryl S. Durst, Hon. FIIDA, LEED AP, will be in Cologne, Germany, to moderate an IIDA-presented panel on Wednesday, Oct. 22, at Orgatec, the international trade fair for the workplace design industry. “The Culture of Work: A Global Perspective,” will be a lively and interactive discussion that covers the culture of work, and how designers analyze the critical factors that affect how the world works. Comprising the panel will be: International President of IIDA, Julio Braga, IIDA, LEED AP; Scott Hierlinger, IIDA, LEED AP; Marlene Liriano, IIDA, LEED AP, ID+C; and Felice Silverman, FIIDA. IIDA has a limited amount of FREE one-day admissions to the show. Interested Members should contact Aisha Williams at awilliams@iida.org for additional information and to request a special voucher code.
WHAT CLIENTS WANT, VOL. 2
What Clients Want, Vol. 2, Now Available for Purchase
The compelling book series, What Clients Want, published by IIDA, features insight from clients about what design excellence means and how it is achieved. What Clients Want, Vol. 2 places a special focus on hotel design and spotlights sixteen unique global properties as the centerpiece of these essential conversations about the value of design in the hospitality marketplace. This book is crafted especially for the design community and its clients, courtesy of 3M Architectural Markets and the IIDA Foundation. Click HERE to place your order.
Get Involved in Member-Get-A-Member and Win
Participate in our Member-Get-A-Member campaign for a chance to win a $500 AMEX gift card. You will receive an entry for each referral that joins IIDA by March 1, 2015. Simply ask your referral to note your name and Member number at the time they submit their application. As a bonus, we will waive their $75 application fee. For more information contact Lisa Toth at ltoth@iida.org.
Build Your Future at EDspaces in Tampa, Florida
EDspaces has quickly become the education industry’s most important international conference and expo for professionals who design, equip, and manage creative learning environments that improve student outcomes. Come to EDspaces and be among the first to see what is trending in product design when the EDspaces Innovation Awards are announced by IIDA. Register and save using promo code: IIDA. For more information, visit www.ed-spaces.com or call 800.395.5550.
NeoCon Invites You to Submit Your Program Ideas for 2015
NeoCon, North America’s largest design exposition and conference for commercial interiors for more than 45 years, officially announced the call for presentations for NeoCon and NeoCon East 2015 live on its website. NeoCon and NeoCon East are seeking industry experts to share professional insight and knowledge with commercial and residential interior design, as well as architecture and facility management professionals. Interested applicants must submit their program proposals by Oct. 15, 2014, for NeoCon, and April 1, 2015, for NeoCon East.
Earn CEUs at Configura’s CET Designer User Conference
Configura, maker of CET Designer software, has been approved for CEUs at its CET Designer User Conference, Oct. 22 – 23 in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Interior design industry leaders, educators, Configura team members, and CET Designer users will lead conference sessions. Primo Orpilla, Associate IIDA, will serve as keynote speaker with his presentation, “The Paradigm Shift.” In his wide-ranging review of the workplace typologies, Primo will address the varieties of space types and architectural motifs that contribute to a successful work environment.
Illinois and Michigan Proclaim 2014 Stair Week
IIDA, in collaboration with USGBC and AIA, brought design to the green health conversation with the proclamation of 2014 Stair Week in the states of Illinois and Michigan. Gov. Pat Quinn proclaimed Stair Week in Illinois from Sept. 29 to Oct. 3, while Gov. Rick Snyder proclaimed Stair Week in Michigan from Sept. 8 to 14. Stair Week encourages the use of stairs instead of elevators and advocates for a healthier community and sustainable and energy-efficient environment. The IIDA Michigan and Illinois Chapters focused on effective stair design for the initiative.
Apply Now for Scholarship Opportunities from Gensler
Two scholarship opportunities for 2015 from Gensler are now open. The Gensler Diversity Scholarship celebrates diversity through mentorship and empowerment of the best emerging design talent. Top African-American students who will be entering their final year of a U.S. not-for-profit NAAB-accredited architecture program in the fall of 2015 are encouraged to apply. The Gensler Brinkmann Scholarship was established as a memorial to Don Brinkmann, an inspirational and gifted interior designer. Top students entering their final year of a U.S. not-for-profit CIDA-accredited interior design program in the fall of 2015 are encouraged to apply. Deadline for both scholarships is Dec. 8.
NELSON Participates in Green Apple Day of Service
Interior design firm, NELSON, has chosen to participate in the Green Apple Day of Service, a day that focuses on giving parents, teachers, companies, and local organizations the chance to transform schools into healthy, safe learning environments through local service projects. The official day of service is Sept. 24 but NELSON teams throughout the U.S. have coordinated days of service until the end of October. For more information about Green Apple Day of Service, including dates and locations, click HERE.
IIDA PA/NJ/DE Chapter Hosts 13th Annual Product Parade
Join the IIDA PA/NJ/DE Chapter, Oct. 15, 5:30 – 8:30 p.m., in Philadelphia for its 13th annual Product Parade, a commercial interiors trade show and networking event that brings together design industry professionals, regional contract furnishing, and materials representatives for a night of showcasing and celebrating the products and technologies that define design excellence. IIDA Executive Vice President and CEO Cheryl S. Durst, Hon. FIIDA, LEED AP, will attend this event, which will be open to the public for the first time.
IIDA Mid-Atlantic Chapter Hosts Cosmo Couture 2014
The IIDA Mid-Atlantic Chapter hosted Cosmo Couture 2014, Sept. 18, at the Artisphere in Arlington, VA. The fundraising event fosters direct collaboration between local architecture and Interior Design firms and their manufacturing partners in the Washington, D.C. area, to create garments reflecting a given theme. The garments are then judged during a runway show with awards to follow. Proceeds from this year’s Cosmo Couture went to My Sister’s Place, D.C.’s oldest shelter for domestic violence survivors. Click HERE to view the fashions.
IIDA MERCHANDISE
20th Anniversary Signature Collection Items for Sale
Official merchandise from the IIDA 20th Anniversary Signature Collection is still available for purchase. The collection, which debuted at the Chapter Leaders Conference and NeoCon 2014, are for the fashionably fast-paced, hardworking, and ever-busy.
Designed by Rick Valicenti and Thirst, the Signature Collection pieces are a cohesive and elegant assortment of merchandise designed to commemorate the twentieth anniversary of IIDA. These items which include scarves, pocket squares, and a custom-designed tote work well with designers’ lifestyles. Travel with the items, give them as gifts, or hold on to them as timeless pieces.
Act fast as there is a limited quantity of these one-of-a-kind articles, which will not be recreated or redistributed after the final sale. To peruse the merchandise and place an order, click HERE.
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Higher Education Initiative (HEI)
The Higher Education Initiative (HEI) is DKT/E's set of sexual and reproductive health activities targeting university students in Ethiopia.
Launched in 2009, HEI is DKT/E's response to university students' heightened vulnerability to HIV and unwanted pregnancy.
HEI is perhaps best known for its social media website - Temarinet.com - one of the largest social networking platforms in Ethiopia and one specifically targeted towards university students.
The goal of HEI is to reduce irresponsible sexual behavior, unwanted pregnancies, sexually transmitted infections (STIs), including HIV/AIDS, by improving the quality of information and service delivery for university students.
Project Justification:
Ethiopia has experienced an explosion in tertiary education over the past two decades. In 1996/7, there were just under 40,000 students in public universities in the country. In 2014, this number had increased to nearly 600,000 and there were many more students in Teaching and Technical and Vocational Education Training (TVET) Institutes, not to mention dozens of private institutions.
The explosion of growth has taken place in the midst of several "macro-demographic" factors, including a moderate and declining HIV epidemic, the introduction and rapid uptake of family planning, and wide-scale exposure to international media and technologies.
What's more, in almost a single generation, a massive wave of students is living outside their homes and community structures for the first time, for which social norms have had little time to adapt, leaving many students vulnerable to STIs, including HIV, and unwanted pregnancy.
Though evidence is limited, research indicates that HIV-prevalence is higher among university students. For example, a 2009 study at one university showed that prevalence was 2.5% among the student population, much higher than the 0.6% of HIV-positive 20 - 24 year olds in the 2011 EDHS.
HEI takes a multi-tiered approach to programming, including:
Training peer educators and administrators in HIV-prevention and family planning
Facilitating large scale promotion, including talk shows, debates, and sports festivals for the general population
Girls only discussions in girls' dormitory blocks
Condom and contraceptive distribution through multipurpose kiosks, pushcarts, and health facilities
Temarinet.com, one of the largest social networking platforms in Ethiopia
HEI uses several communication channels, including IE/BCC materials, interpersonal communication through edutainment and peer educations billboards, mini-media, radio, TV and social media to carry out the above activities.
As of December 2015, HEI was active in 10 universities and had delivered the following outputs (2010 - 2015):
Trained 84,000 students, faculty, and administrators in peer education, HIV-prevention and more
Reached nearly a million students through 1,300 mass events
Reached 125,000 female students through 593 girls only dormitory block-based discussion sessions
Distributed 2.1 million condoms
Built Temarinet.com into a well-trafficked site with user engagement around the areas of HIV and family planning
Contact Shimeles Gebeyehu, DKT/E's HEI and SRH Coordinator to learn more.
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27 March 2015 | News and features | Back to Blog
This week’s top five volunteering opportunities
1. After Hiroshima Project Interviewer
When: Ongoing, please apply ASAP
Where: London Bubble, 5 Elephant Lane, London, SE16 4JD
Commitment level: Moderate
Any other Dot Dot Dot guardians involved: No
The After Hiroshima project will explore and disseminate the woefully neglected subject of contemporary British reactions to the world’s first atomic bomb being dropped on Hiroshima in 1945. The project will examine how the longer term response grew into the peace movement of the 1950’s and 1960’s, including the formation of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament. The stories and research will be gathered into a new show to be performed in early 2016. London Bubble are looking for volunteers for a team of interviewers who will explore and record personal responses to the atomic bomb. Oral history training will be provided on Saturday 11th of April by an accredited Oral History Society/British Library trainer. Please see here for more information and contact Ruth on 02017 237 4434 to be a part of the project.
2. Easter Duck Hunt Trail Leaders
When: Various times between Saturday 28th March and Sunday 12th April.
Where: WWT London Wetland Centre, Queen Elizabeth’s Walk, Barnes, London SW13 9WT
Commitment Level: Low
Any Dot Dot Dot guardians involved: No
The London Wetland Centre is looking for volunteers to support them in encouraging visitors to take part in their giant Easter duck hunt trail. Spring is a wonderful time to visit WWT London Wetland Centre as new life is bursting out all around with babies, bugs and buds so it’s a great time to get involved. Volunteers will be interacting with visitors about the giant Easter duck hunt trail, particularly talking to children and adults about how they enjoyed it and what they have learned. Also directing visitors to trail points and helping them if they get stuck. An induction, training and support will be provided. WWT believes the best way for people to understand and connect to the wetlands is to experience them, so if you want to get involved, please look here.
3. Refashioning Aldgate Volunteers
When: 25th & 26th of April
Where: Somerset House F60 First Floor, The Strand, London WC2R 1LA and Aldgate, London EC3N 1AH
Fashion Revolution Day marks 2 years since 1133 people were killed and over 2500 were injured when the Rana Plaza factory complex collapsed in Dhaka, Bangladesh. Social and environmental catastrophes in fashion supply chains continue and Fashion Revolution says enough is enough. Refashioning Aldgate will be celebrating the diversity of food and fashion in the Aldgate area, with a strong emphasis on sustainability and the circular economy. The festival will both mark the start of Refashion Week 2015 and plant seeds for mid and long term regenerative fashion endeavours in Aldgate’s underused spaces. Events and a walking tour will unravel the area’s century’s old fashion and textiles heritage and use Aldgate’s rag trade roots as an impetus for people to think about where their clothes are made now and to what ends. The festival aims to empower Londoners to make the most of their clothes through various re-fashioning activities and provide them with the opportunity to explore London’s fashion history.
Volunteers could really help to bring this event to life through their creative input. Refashioning Aldgate needs lively individuals with a passion for food, fashion or sustainability.You may want to lend a hand with the marketing, planning or execution of the day. You may want to spend a week with the team, or just contribute a few hours.Get in touch with what it is about this festival that interests you and the role that you would ideally like to play.
4. The Moonwalk London 2015 Event Cyclist
When: 16th May 2015
Where: MoonWalk City, Clapham Common, London SW4 9DE
Walk the Walk raises money and awareness for breast cancer, and hosts walking events throughout the year. For the Moonwalk they are in need of five cycle teams that support the walkers and route marshals along the sections of the route overnight. The cycle team is dedicated to being the front and back markers for the Full Moon and Half Moon routes and the other teams work together to provide support as required along sections of the route. Look here to be a part of this fun night.
5. Speak Street Language Cafe Journalist
When: Ongoing
Where: Camden, Islington and Peckham, London
Speak Street helps people improve their everyday English by bringing them together with their native English speaking neighbours, creating stronger more resilient communities. If you want to practice your interviewing and writing skills, then this opportunity is perfect. Volunteers will be needed to interview one of the attendees and write up a short piece (500 words or less) that will be published on the website and shared on social media. This opportunity is flexible and one off capturing the stories behind the people who attend the Speak Street language cafe. Have a look at their website for more information.
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Jem Roberts is also a successful Ukulele player
Thebookseller.com has just anounced that “Preface publisher Trevor Dolby has bought world rights to “The Frood: A Guide to the Galaxy of Douglas Adams” by Jem Roberts, for hardback publication in autumn 2014″.
Jem Roberts is not new to british comedy history. He previously wrote “The Clue Bible: The Fully Authorised History of I’m Sorry I Haven’t a Clue” and “The True History of the Black Adder”.
The bookseller.com quotes publisher Trevor Dolby. “Following the wonderful reception of Jem’s last book, The True History of the Black Adder, published by Preface in 2012, I’m very pleased to have convinced him that the time is right to gather Douglas’ friends and acquaintances round the campfire, share stories and celebrate the man and his greatest work, H2G2.” Roberts said that thought there were “a clutch of great biographies published in the wake of [Adams’] heart-breaking loss”, but that “so much time has passed that a whole new celebration of the Universe he created seemed timely and welcome”.
On his twitter account, Jem Roberts has announced that he exepcts to work nine month on this project : “This one = 9 months-ish. Result = I am living and breathing Hitchhiker until April.” He also announced that the launch of a H2G2 blog was “imminent”.
Don’t hesitate to follow Jem Roberts on Twitter : https://twitter.com/JemRoberts
Note that lasst june Jem Roberts published a long post introducing the “Original pitch, as cordially okayed by Ed Victor, Polly Adams and the Adams estate”
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Enhance learning, memory, and resilience to stress with these simple ways to introduce novelty and sensory stimuli
In 1947, a Canadian neuroscience researcher named Donald Hebb made a discovery that may explain why COVID-19 restrictions are so unbearable. Hebb performed many of his studies on lab rats housed in small, solitary cages. Being a caring father, he’d bring some of the rats home for his kids to play with. These lucky rats not only got to have fun, but when Hebb was later testing them in the lab, he found they learned faster and scored higher in cognitive tests than the cage-restricted rats.
Later in the 1960s, researchers at UC Berkeley found that rats exposed to “enriched environments” — those with a larger stomping ground, opportunities to socialise, and sensory-stimulating objects to play with — had larger brains.
More recent studies have shown that “environmental enrichment” can reduce reactivity to stress, lower anxiety, improve cognition, and enhance learning and memory — well, in rats, gerbils, rabbits, squirrels, cats, and nonhuman primates. Human data is sparse, given the ethical issues of putting humans in impoverished environments for research purposes.
But anecdotally, many of you may be feeling the effects of an impoverished environment. Finding yourself more anxious than normal? Having trouble remembering things? Feeling less resilient to stress? Just like those unlucky lab rats who never got taken home to play, COVID-19 has left many feeling the ill effects of waking up to the same four walls, the same boring routine, and the same uncertainty of when we’ll be set free.
Even if you’re lucky and live in a country where restrictions have eased, you’re probably still going for walks on the same paths, seeing the same sights, talking to the same people, eating the same food, and hearing the same old news about coronavirus outbreaks and possible vaccines. To add insult to injury, those in the northern hemisphere now have winter to contend with, pushing them back indoors again. Though a vaccine is on the horizon, it may still be several months before we get back to normalcy.
A lack of novelty and an unstimulating environment may lead to a decline in our cognitive fitness. Much like how a life devoid of physical activity will turn you into a weak and doughy sack of couch potato, not giving the nervous system enough stimulation may turn it into the neurological equivalent. Everyday experiences have the power to enhance or inhibit our brain’s ability to forge new connections and to keep existing ones running smoothly. COVID-19 is so insufferable because it not only causes stress, but it may reduce resilience to stress due to its effect on our environments — and our nervous systems.
But there’s hope. Though many of the riches of our environment may still be off-limits, we can limit the mind-numbing, brain-shrinking effects of an impoverished environment. Here’s how.
Seek Novelty
When you present a mammal with a novel stimulus — something it has never seen, heard, touched, smelled, or tasted before — it’ll immediately drop what it’s doing and pay attention to it. This is the orienting response, thought to occur due to the novel stimulus’s potential to be a source of reward, or threat. But the novelty soon wears off, and the spark of interest is replaced with indifference. Without novelty, the brain loses interest in its surroundings.
Novelty is stimulating to the nervous system. If you’ve ever traveled to a truly foreign country, you’ll know what overstimulation with novelty feels like. Stepping off the plane, you’re hit with exotic aromas and hot, muggy air. You make it past the noisy touts luring in the vulnerable, dazzled tourists and jump in a taxi.
After dropping your bags at the hotel, you venture out into a land of unusual architecture. Noisy chattering in an alien tongue fills the air. Signs with cryptic symbols abound. Finding a street cart, you bravely try the local cuisine. Intense and unfamiliar flavours assault your naive taste buds with ingredients you couldn’t begin to decipher. Intoxicated with novelty, you wander around aimlessly until overwhelm turns into exhaustion. Returning to your hotel, you promptly collapse into a deep slumber. Your brain must now forge a lot of new connections.
Novelty has far-reaching effects on our brains: from promoting learning by improving memory encoding in the hippocampus to increasing motivation to explore and try new things by triggering the reward system. Our foraging ancestors’ survival relied on novelty. Those motivated to explore found edible rewards and passed on their novelty-seeking genes. Those who stayed put ran the risk of their food supply running out.
Though COVID-19 currently prohibits us from exploring new, foreign lands, we can still seek out novelty:
Try some new cuisines, the more exotic the better. If you need some ideas, try recipes from Roger Mooking’s cooking show “Everyday Exotic,” where he takes everyday dishes and using one new ingredient, giving it an exotic twist.
You may not have any fancy events to go to, but there’s no reason you can’t buy yourself some new threads. Choose colours, designs, and fabrics you wouldn’t normally wear. Make sure to go for environmentally friendly fabrics.
Jazz up that living space of yours: Breathe life into the lifeless air with foreign plants and cacti. Create a new space in the empty corner of the room by throwing a bean bag down next to a reading lamp. Get a tropical fish tank, and fill it with colourful fish. And if you’re feeling ambitious, you could paint the walls a fresh, new colour. Your brain will thank you later.
Stimulate the senses
When mammals are dark-reared— meaning they have no exposure to light — the visual cortex fails to mature. It remains stuck in immaturity until the visual senses are stimulated. But when you expose these mammals to light, the visual part of the brain comes to life, quickly forging the necessary connections that had been missing. Sensory stimulation wakes up our nervous system and gives it a reason to start forging new connections.
It might even be able to reverse aging of the senses. When we get older, the sensory receptors in our skin age and become less sensitive to touch. But one fascinating study showed that all it takes to reverse this is a bit of stimulation. Elderly participants were fitted with a device that applied mild electrical stimulation to their hand. After just three hours of stimulation, the experimenters were able to reverse 30 years of age-related sensory loss.
But too much sensory stimulation can be overwhelming, even stressful. We need to stimulate our senses enough to keep them working well but not so much that it becomes unpleasant. The ideal dose varies between individuals, with extroverts preferring more stimulation than introverts. Extroverts even perform better in noisy environments compared to quiet ones. Those with ADHD also seem to prefer more stimulation. We tend to know when our senses are understimulated (when the silence is deafening) or overstimulated (when you feel like hiding in a quiet room).
Multisensory stimulation rooms, commonly used in patients with severe dementia, have immediate positive effects on mood and behaviour. They’re designed to provide the brain with just the right amount of sensory stimulation — calming yet gently stimulating. They achieve this with low lighting, relaxing background music, multicoloured water columns with hypnotizing bubbles, aromatherapy diffusers, fiber-optic cables that change colour, and textured balls to play with.
In the age of Amazon Prime, you can turn your home environment into a multisensory paradise in no time. Though you might not want to install ceiling-high bubble tubes in your living room, there are lots of easier and cheaper options. Here are some suggestions for each sense:
Play as Much as Possible
Many of the benefits of an enriched environment are thought to be due to opportunities for play. When you put rats in larger cages with other rats, they play with one another constantly. And if you place a toy in there — you’ll have one happy rat. But what about humans?
Play is easy to observe in rats, but we humans are a complex species. We may play in obvious ways, like throwing a ball around, or in less obvious ways, like covertly playing Candy Crush while in the waiting room. How we play also varies from one person to the next. To some it may mean kicking a ball around, but for others it could be stamp collecting. This has made play a hard concept to define for researchers. Though there’s extensive evidence on the benefits of play for brain development in children, there aren’t many studies in adults.
Play is an activity that’s stimulating and engaging. It leads the player to lose awareness of time and place. It provides joy through the process, rather than the outcome, offering respite from a world of outcome-dependent tasks. It takes the seriousness out of life and reminds us that when we’re having fun, little else matters.
Those who play board games experience a myriad of benefits: enhanced cognition, improved motivation, and reduced anxiety, to name a few. One study even found that elderly adults who played board games showed less cognitive decline and less depression than those who didn’t. Other studies on the hot topic of gamification show us that turning something into a game keeps us engaged, speeds up learning, and improves memory.
Even the character trait of being playful is correlated with higher ratings of psychological and physical well being, increased creativity, and higher academic achievement.
Now let’s talk about ways of incorporating more play into our COVID-restricted lives. Here are some ideas:
Balls, frisbees, and other throwables — throwing and catching may look simple, but the brain is hard at work. It must use gross motor skills to position the body, fine motor skills to take aim, and careful judgement to determine the force required to get the ball from A to B. Add to that all the running involved when you realise your partner has no fine motor skills, and you’ve got the perfect combination of mental and physical stimulation.
If you build it, neuroplasticity will come — whether it’s building an entire city of LEGO blocks or making adorable felt animals, making something for the fun of it is a surefire way to wake up those neurons. Whatever you build, make sure it’s novel and stimulating to the senses in some way — that way you tick all the boxes of an enriched environment.
Get artistic — work that right hemisphere by picking up a new instrument and learning to play your favourite song. Or get out a paintbrush and unload your emotion onto a canvas. Or if you’re like me and can’t do either, just get a colouring book and go to town on it.
Good old-fashioned board games — if you’ve got playmates, choose your favourite board game and schedule some time to play. Choose games that challenge your brain in some way. Scrabble for vocabulary. Chess for strategic thinking. Jenga for fine motor coordination. Hungry Hungry Hippos for stress-management skills.
Many countries are beginning to receive the COVID-19 vaccine, but restrictions are likely to continue for several months. If we’re to come out the other side as healthy, happy, and cognitively fit as we were before this nightmare started, we need to do whatever we can to stimulate our brains.
Unlike those poor lab rats confined to small cages, we have the ability to change our environments for the better. So what are you waiting for?
This article was originally published in ‘Better Humans’ here.
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D214 presents musical comedy The Wedding Singer
High School District 214 is proud to present the all-District musical, The Wedding Singer, running from Thursday, July 13 through Saturday, July 15 at the Forest View Educational Center, 2121 S. Goebbert Rd. in Arlington Heights.
Performances start at 7 p.m.
This musical comedy will take audiences to a time when pastel was in, hair was big and the wedding singer was the coolest guy in the room! Based on the popular movie, The Wedding Singer is a five-time Tony-nominated comedy musical filled with love, heartbreak, and, of course, weddings! So say “yes” because you’re invited to the wedding!
The all-District musical brings together incredibly talented students from across District 214 to share the stage and work together.
The show is directed by Jeremy Morton of Prospect High School. Stephen Colella, of Wheeling High School, serves as vocal director, Miguel Sanchez, of Elk Grove High School, is assistant director, Kevin Carroll, of Rolling Meadows High School, is the pit conductor, Ariana Cappuccitti is the choreographer, and Andrew Blendermann, of Wheeling High School, is the accompanist.
Ticket information can be found at http://www.D214.org/SummerMusical
For more information, contact Jeremy Morton at Jeremy.Morton@d214.org
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The Henry E. Huntington Library in San Marino, California, is home to approximately 600 sixteenth- and seventeenth-century broadside ballads. Collections at the Huntington include the Bindley (formerly Luttrell) of about 100 ballads; the Bridgewater, including about 60 ballads; and the Britwell (formerly Huth) of approximately 90 ballads. In addition to these collections, the Huntington also holds several hundred other ballads that are bound into album books alongside other types of texts, and some that are loose sheets tucked into other books or folders. Because the Huntington ballads have been collected in such different ways, the album and ballad sheet facsimiles appear less uniform than in the Pepys, Roxburghe, and Euing collections. For example, the album facsimile above shows a ballad bound in a miscellaneous volume, while the ballad sheet facsimile below shows a ballad that is not part of any album (though it appears to have been bound at one time).
Ballad Sheet Facsimile for HEH Miscellaneous 229146
The Huntington's ballad holdings are richly diverse. They range from very early ballads of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries (most of these are in the Britwell collection) to white-letter ballads from the later seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries. We offer a detailed discussion of the fascinating Britwell collection, including its provenance, while archiving the rest of the ballads held by the Huntington, including ballads from its Bindley (formerly Luttrell) and Bridgewater collections, under the term "Miscellaneous."
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Business News›Industry›Cons. Products›FMCG›Patanjali enters big retail with Future Group tie-up
Patanjali enters big retail with Future Group tie-up
Varun Jain
, ET Bureau Last Updated: Oct 10, 2015, 03:21 AM IST
Ramdev said he wanted to partner with a Swadeshi chain. Patanjali products will be available in all Future Group retail outlets in 240 cities.
Baba Ramdev's Patanjali has tied up with Future Group to sell its products through its outlets.
NEW DELHI: Baba Ramdev’s Patanjali Ayurved has entered into an exclusive partnership with Future Group to make its entire range of products available in Big Bazaar outlets across the country.
Other food-based chains of the country’s largest retailer such as Easyday, KB’s Aadhaar and Nilgiris too will subsequently sell Patanjali products, making them available in more than 240 cities and towns in the country, Future Group founder and CEO Kishore Biyani told a press conference on Friday.
The two companies are also looking at forming a manufacturing partnership in the future.
“Manufacturing is another relationship that we are exploring,” Biyani said. “We have our own dairy, rice mill, spice mill and a lot of other edible product categories. This gives us a chance to work together on this relationship,” he said.
Ramdev confirmed “initial talks” on production partnership. “We have planned around five units for Patanjali for the future expansion and wherever possible we would discuss about this proposition with Future Group in future,” he said. “This is just the first step. We will explore all the available option in the future.”
Under the marketing partnership, Future Group will set up an office for collaborating with Patanjali Ayurved in Rishikesh to develop, market and distribute these products exclusively in modern trade. Patanjali products will also be available at its own retail outlets which number around 5,000 now.
Biyani is hopeful that Future Group stores will do a business of Rs 1,000 crore in 20 months with Patanjali, which is considered the fastest-growing consumer products company in the country and is already bigger than rivals such as Emami and Jyothi Labs.
At the moment Unilever is the biggest products partner for Future Group, accounting for business of around Rs 1,300-1,400 crore, said Biyani, adding that he wants to see Patanjali at the same level.
The company expects to start with Rs 40 crore per month sales of Patanjali products, which Biyani expects to go up to Rs 80 crore in the next 12 months.
He also said that he believes that in future this association could well become a case study for the management schools in the same way as the collaboration between Procter & Gamble and Walmart in the Unites States in the 1980s.
Biyani said he expected Patanjali to become one of the top three FMCG companies in a couple of years and help Future Group to add additional one crore customers.
The group gets around 35 crore footfall yearly at its stores across the country, and is expected to clock revenues of Rs 22,000-23,000 crore this fiscal, Biyani said.
Patanjali Ayurved offers the entire range of FMCG products in food, staples, nutrition, hair care, skin care, dental care and toileteries at a much competitive price than other brands available in the market.
Ramdev said Patanjali is expected to become a Rs 5,000 crore brand by the end of this financial year. “We will tell you our plans of 2016-17 later because you may not be able to believe the numbers we are anticipating. In the coming five years Patanjali would be the biggest consumer brand in the country,” he said.
He also said Patanjali noodles would be launched by October 15 and it would be available across the country by the end of this month.
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Sagar1889 days ago
Now FSSAI says Patanjali Noodles doesn't have a license but is printing license No. on its packets. How to trust such products? Who knows what is the content in the food and whether it is safe?
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Facebook Shops rollout is a big moment for social commerce
By Rebecca Sentance May 21st 2020 09:49
For years, social commerce in the west was something of a standing joke – a series of failed platforms and clunky ‘buy’ buttons that never gained traction or captured users’ imaginations.
Then, almost overnight, social commerce (which if you’re not clued in, is the merging of ecommerce with social networking features) became a reality. Buyable Pins arrived (and stayed) on Pinterest. You could check out on Instagram. And now you can shop on Facebook.
On Tuesday, Facebook announced the roll-out of Shops across Facebook and Instagram. The feature will allow businesses to create digital storefronts where they can host ‘catalogues’ of their products, with links to purchase the product either on the retailer’s website or directly within Facebook.
Shops will have an even more prominent presence on Instagram, with a dedicated Instagram Shop button taking up residence on users’ navigation bars on the app home screen later this year – in keeping with Instagram’s history as an ecommerce-friendly platform, home to countless influencers and small businesses who use its visual interface to promote and sell their products.
There are also plans to roll out Shops across Facebook’s social chat apps WhatsApp and Messenger further down the line.
A visualisation of what Shops will look like on Facebook (source: Facebook)
Seizing the online shopping opportunity
You can be forgiven for thinking, “Wait, couldn’t you shop on Facebook and Instagram already?” And you’d be right – technically, we already had Facebook Marketplace, an earlier foray into social commerce launched in 2016, as well as Checkout on Instagram, introduced in 2018.
Even WhatsApp added some ecommerce functionality in 2019 with a catalogue feature for its app WhatsApp Business, which allowed businesses to create a storefront on the app which listed products for sale – although transactions still took place outside of WhatsApp.
What Shops represents for Facebook, therefore, is less of a sudden move into social commerce – which it’s been working, with varying degrees of success, to break into for years – than a unified approach across its platforms. But that doesn’t make it any less significant.
Plans to launch Shops were already afoot before the coronavirus crisis hit – of course, because it would have been very difficult to turn something so huge around in the space of a few months – but Facebook significantly sped up its development in order to capitalise on the huge shift to online shopping that’s currently taking place in the midst of the pandemic, as well as giving struggling small businesses an easy way to sell online.
Facebook is far from the only tech platform that has moved to fill the sudden demand for online shopping solutions and offer a lifeline to businesses: last month, Google made it free for merchants in the US to list products on Google Shopping, another development that was already in the works but was sped up thanks to the coronavirus crisis.
Shopify relaunched its parcel tracking app Arrive as ‘Shop’, transforming it into something much more akin to a marketplace, in a move that many predicted would put it in competition with Amazon; it also recently partnered with Pinterest to launch a new app within Shopify that gives merchants a quick way to upload catalogues to Pinterest and turn their products into shoppable Pins.
But Facebook’s move has the potential to be more momentous than all of these, given its status as a titan of the social media world and the owner of three immensely popular social networks (I’m counting Messenger as part of Facebook in this, even though it’s more often treated as a separate product these days).
While I don’t think it will turn Facebook into Amazon’s biggest rival overnight, a lot of businesses already have established presences on Facebook and Instagram – and Facebook just gave them the ability to sell products directly through its platform. And for those who are looking to set up shop for the first time, Facebook and Instagram are well-known platforms with a wealth of how-to articles and guides on how to get started, which significantly lowers the barrier to entry.
With the launch of Shops, Facebook has also partnered with eight different third-party shopping platforms including Shopify, BigCommerce and Woo, which will no doubt make the transition easier on businesses that are established with these platforms. Shopify has announced that it will be launching a “new, unified Facebook channel” that allows merchants to automatically connect their Shopify business to Facebook in one place, while still making the experience feel native to each individual app.
Some commentators have noted that the launch of Shops represents a move away from Facebook’s “roots” as a purely advertising-focused business towards ecommerce, putting it in direct competition with the likes of Amazon and eBay. However, ultimately, Shops will benefit Facebook’s advertising business most of all, giving businesses more incentive to purchase Facebook ads to advertise their Shops – and allowing Facebook to collect shopping transaction data on its users, which it can use to target ads.
Therefore, the launch of Shops has the double benefit of giving Facebook’s advertising a shot in the arm while also positioning it to take advantage of an upswing in online shopping adoption that looks set to last well beyond the end of the pandemic.
The arrival of live commerce?
One interesting development that has been tucked away in the middle of the coverage about Facebook Shops is this (from Business Insider’s coverage):
“Facebook is also letting brands and creators who use its livestreaming tools tag products in their videos, allowing for the possibility [of] QVC-style shopping channels on Facebook and Instagram and letting influencers plug their sponsors when they go live.”
Initially, Facebook will just be testing the feature with businesses on Facebook and Instagram, but intends to “roll it out more broadly in the coming months.”
Last month I wrote about four trends in Chinese retail that the west can learn from, the first and foremost of which was live commerce: the merging of livestreamed entertainment and shopping. Live commerce is a major trend in China and has been key to the way that businesses sell to consumers during the coronavirus lockdown, allowing them to fill both a demand for entertainment and a demand for shopping – whilst also giving an extra dimension to the online shopping experience.
Live commerce in the west, however, has been all but non-existent, with a lacklustre launch of Amazon Live the only thing that comes close – until now. While the livestreaming functionality hasn’t been a primary focus of the launch of Facebook Shops, it has the potential to be huge if businesses latch onto it – so we should watch this space.
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Thom Kennon 22 May 2020
This pub has been one of the few trades which dont lean on PR releases to fill editorial slots. Breathless cheerleading pieces like this signal that’s no longer the plan, which sucks.
We need hard critique especially when it comes to these deathstar platforms like Facebook, Google, Amazon, Tencent et al. They have built their kingdoms based on the brute violence of value extraction. All at the expense of the brands and businesses who are your subscribers and advertisers. All to the benefit of their shareholders who become even more emboldened as they are enriched each time they read these shamelessly these promotional wet kisses.
Please reconsider writing a more critical analysis of product releases like this, through the lens of the questioning client (as we consultants call them) not the voracious platforms.
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Ein zentrales Jahr für die ASEAN?
Unserer Ansicht nach ist Südostasien für Anleger in Grenz- und Schwellenmärkten eines der derzeit spannendsten Anlageziele überhaupt. Die Chancen, die sich Anlegern hier bieten, sind bemerkenswert und reichen von dem hochentwickelten und technologisch ausgereiften Markt in Singapur über Schwellenmärkte in verschiedenen Entwicklungsphasen.
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The Hannah Ida Urman Foundation is a non profit corporation, tax exempt by the IRS under 501(c)(3), Tax ID 82-1305059
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Menachem Rosensaft, whose father received a Paraguayan Citizenship Certificate, with one of The Ładoś List Co-Authors Monika Maniewska, and Prof. Mordecai Paldiel, the leading international authority on rescuers during the Holocaust
Polish envoy Aleksander Ładoś stood up to the Nazis when questioned on his authority as an ambassador of a country that, in their view, no longer existed.
While in exile in Bern, Switzerland, Ładoś sided with humanity to save lives amidst the political chaos of war and Hitler's plans to kill the Jewish people.
Ładoś, other diplomats, and multiple Jewish organizations together turned the profiteering of others [who were selling blank passports] into an expansive underground network to save lives -- even against threats of deportation from Switzerland for breaking their laws.
Now decades later, upon review of declassified documents, survivors’ and others’ testimony, the efforts of Ładoś and his team are now known and documented in The Ładoś List, published by the Pilecki Institute.
My grandmother Hannah appears on The Ładoś List (see link below) as one of the 838 [known] people in Bedzin who sought their assistance; sadly the efforts of the Nazi killing machine moved at a faster speed than her transit papers, and she was killed before receiving these documents.
I reached out to the Pilecki Institute several weeks ago to find out the date Hannah contacted the Ładoś group, in addition to what she may have written to them.
Coincidentally, I learned that the Pilecki Institute was coming to the U.S. to present this work at Hebrew Union College in New York City -- about three hours by local and regional trains from where I live. I felt compelled to attend this presentation and learn about the efforts of the Ładoś group and perhaps a fragment of my grandmother’s life.
More than 8,000 names are in the Ładoś groups records. The efforts of Ambassador Kumoch and the Pilecki Institute deserve great credit for bringing the humanitarian efforts of the Ładoś group to light. Efforts are underway for Aleksander Ładoś to be recognized posthumously by Yad Vashem as Righteous Among the Nations. One of the co-authors, Monika Maniewska, signed my copy of The Ładoś List “for Chana” -- in memory of my grandmother.
Link to Lados List
https://instytutpileckiego.pl/public/upload/articles_files/LISTA%20LADOSIA-lista-ang.pdf
Possibly it is one of Hannah's cousins and his wife who did receive passports from this group and survived -- Juda and Mania Fersztenfeld; Hannah's mom's maiden name was Fersztenfeld.
If you are related to, or your family knew Jude and Mania, please contact the Pilecki Institute at ladoslist@instytutpileckiego.pl
I have shared more information below written by Jeffrey Cymbler, who helped the Pilecki Institute with the research of this publication. His family is also from Bedzin, Poland, my dad’s ancestral home for more than four generations.
"Over two years ago, thanks to a Facebook posting, I befriended Jakub Kumoch, the Polish Ambassador to Switzerland. At the time, Jakub was researching the story of how four Polish diplomats (one of whom was Jewish) together with two Jewish activist leaders who were residing in Switzerland – now collectively referred to the Ładoś Group -- conjured up one of the largest rescue operations of the Holocaust – an informal cooperation of Jewish organizations and Polish diplomats who, in 1943, fabricated and smuggled illegal Latin American passports to, among other places, the Bedzin and Sosnowiec ghettos, saving some of their holders and their families from deportation to Auschwitz-Birkenau.
Those saved included Rutka Laskier’s cousin, Michal Laskier, Menachem Liwer’s uncle, Arie Liwer, Abaham Manela, the author of the book “On the Way to the Rising Moon” (hebrew) and Avigdor Zarompf, Alfred Szwarcbaum’s nephew, who was a mere 8 years old when he and his aunt, got one of the passports in March 1943, was arrested and sent to the Tittmoning detention camp in Bavaria. Avigdor joined our group tour to Poland in 2018.
The leader of this operation was the Alexander Ładoś, the head of the Polish Legation in Bern. He was assisted by Stephen Ryniewicz, Lados’s deputy; Konstany Rokicki, who was the actual scrivener, or more precisely the actual forger; and Julius Kuhl, the orthodox Jewish attaché at the Polish Legation who interacted with two prominent Jewish activist leaders in Switzerland at the time: Abraham Silberschein and Chaim Eiss, collectively known today as the Ładoś Group.
Jakub’s project immediately drew me in to volunteer to assist wholeheartedly. In addition to the many hundreds of pages of documents, including Latin American passports, that I had photocopied over 30 years ago in various archives in Israel, as JRI-Poland town leader for Bedzin and Sosnowiec, I was able to access and utilize JRI-Poland’s extensive data to help determine the identities of hundreds of passport holders. In addition, through personal knowledge of many Bedzin-Sosnowiec families that I have acquired over many years and by publishing posts on our Bedzin-Sosnowiec-Zawiercie Area Research Group FB page, I was able to determine the fate of many Zaglembie area Jews for whom these passports were issued or in process to be issued.
Last evening, at Hebrew Union College in Manhattan, I was thrilled to attend the premiere presentation of the English language book simply entitled, “The Ładoś List”, edited by Jakub Kumoch. The book lists some 3,253 people – a fraction of the estimated 8,000 – 10,000 individuals who were the intended recipients of the Latin American passports forged by the Polish diplomats in Switzerland.
The largest group of identified Ładoś passport bearers – amounting to more than 1,210 people – comes from the cities of the Zaglembie region of Poland, i.e., Będzin, Sosnowiec and Dąbrowa Górnicza, and surrounding areas. These account for more than one third of all the identified people and more than one half of the Polish Jews from the Ładoś list. Included in the list are my cousin survivor, Maria Adlerfliegel, who was a nurse in during the war in the Będzin Jewish hospital. Also on the list are my great uncle and aunt, Lajb (Leon) Cymbler and his wife Ruchla Monszajn Cymbler and their son and daughter, Joel Wolf Cymbler and Dwojra Cymbler – none of whom survived. Ruchla was shot to death in June 1943 in the Bedzin ghetto while trying to escape from a German roundup of Jews to be sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau. I assume that Lajb and the children met their fates in the crematoria in Birkenau.
For the past two years, I have worked very closely with my friends, Jakub Kumoch; Jędrzej Uszyński, deputy consul of Poland to Switzerland; Markus Blechner, Honorary Polish consul to Zurich; Heidi Fishman, author of “Tutti’s Promise”, whose mother and grandparents were saved by one of the passports; and Eve Brandel, whose parents were interred in the Tittmoning and Vittel detention camps. In the process of publicizing this, until now, unknown story of Polish-Jewish and Polish-non-Jewish cooperation at the height of the Holocaust, I have had the pleasure to meet with on several occasions and cooperate with some other wonderful Polish historians: Wojciech Kozłowski, the Director of the Pilecki Institute in Warsaw and his colleagues, Eryk Habkowski and Monika Maniewska, with whom I anticipate working with in the future on other Holocaust-related projects concerning Bedzin-Sosnowiec area Jews.
Sadly, my dear friend, Jakub’s tenure in Bern will be ending next month and he is off to another challenging post in the Polish diplomatic front. However, I am sure that we will continue our friendship and our after-hours late-night Facebook messenger discussions about the Ładoś Group.
The “Ładoś List” will be available for purchase on eBay.
I would like it to be known that I have devoted my time on this project in memory of my father’s uncle and aunt, Lajb (Leon) Cymbler and Ruchla Monszajn Cymbler and my father’s first cousins, Joel Wolf Cymbler (born 1928) and Dworja Cymbler (born 1924), whose photo is attached to this post."
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Focus on water: Ecolab supports education program on water conservation and hygiene in Germany
Ecolab, the global leader in water, hygiene and energy technologies and services, has launched its water-focused educational curriculum in German for use throughout Germany and other German-speaking regions.
Developed in partnership with the Project WET Foundation, a global nonprofit water resources education organization, the Clean and Conserve Education Program is designed to teach children ages four and older about the importance of water conservation and hygiene. After the successful launches in the United States, Mexico and China, the interactive curriculum, activity booklets and materials are now also available in German. “Water is one of the most valuable resources on earth,” says Halit Kayatürk, SVP and Market Head, Germany & Switzerland. “Our personal water use and the way we live affects the lives of many others. The Clean and Conserve program aims to raise awareness and provide practical training for water conservation for students and teachers.”
Kick-off with a water festival for second- and third-graders
As part of the launch in Germany, on 8 February, Ecolab welcomed students at its site in Monheim am Rhein for a water festival. During the event, more than 100 children from Monheim’s primary school Lottenschule became “water stars” and engaged in age-appropriate activities about hygiene and the use of water as a valuable resource.
“By following simple hygiene measures such as washing hands properly, young children can effectively prevent the spread of germs, while saving water,” explains Thorsten Suess, one of the Ecolab employees who engaged with the children.
Volunteers to visit schools as water and hygiene ambassadors
As part of the program, more than 25 Ecolab employees completed a training conducted by Project WET to become water and hygiene ambassadors. The ambassadors will visit schools to show young people through playful, interactive activities how they can take action and contribute to a positive water future. “The employees do this voluntarily in their free time, and the program is aligned with the schools and tailored to their specific needs,” said Senior Program Manager, International, Project WET Foundation. “The activities are designed to be easy to implement and to complement existing curricula.” Free teaching resources will also be made available to schools in print and online through the Project WET Foundation website at www.projectwet.org/cleanandconserve.
The partnership with the Project WET Foundation is part of Ecolab's Solutions for Life program, which enhances the company's work to conserve water and improve hygiene around the world through partnerships with leading NGOs, global philanthropy and employee volunteerism. Ecolab's partnership with the Project WET Foundation began in 2014, when the Ecolab Foundation committed $1.5 million to the organization to develop a hands-on student curriculum on water conservation and the role that water plays in maintaining good health through proper hygiene. Since its start, more than 275,000 students and 5,800 teachers participated in the program.
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Saudi Arabia opens land border with Qatar amid GCC summit
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Riyadh (Web Desk): Saudi Arabia has opened its land border with Qatar, Al Jazeera reported.
The announcement came on the eve of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) summit and could pave the way towards resolving a political dispute that led Riyadh and its allies to impose a boycott on Qatar.
According to Kuwait’s foreign minister, the kingdom is set to reopen its airspace and sea border.
Kuwait and the United States have been trying to end the row in which Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, and non-Gulf Egypt severed diplomatic, trade, and travel ties with Qatar in mid-2017, shattering regional unity which Washington says hinders efforts to contain Iran.
Qatar has repeatedly denied the allegations and said there was “no legitimate justification” for the severance of relations.
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The SEC has declared itself incompetent to resolve the dispute between Minister Culev and his additional deputy Petrovska over the appointment of a new head of the SIA Skopje.
By a unanimous decision, members of the SEC stated that it was not a question of legal, financial and staffing issues related to the organization of the elections.
With this decision, the SEC has practically determined that the appointment of Risto Stavrevski as the new chief of SIA Skopje signed by the interim minister Culev is legal.
According to the Law on Government, the decisions of all ministers and their additional deputies in the caretaker government require two signatures, i.e. they have joint signatures.
In case of disagreement between the Minister and the Additional Deputy Minister in the ministries as to whether a particular legal, financial and staffing issue relates to the organization of the elections, the SEC is obliged to make a decision within 24 hours and forward it to the relevant ministry. The SEC’s decision is final.
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Prank in jail: disrupter Sokolov was fascinated by a virtual girl from historian Ponasenkov
3 December 2020, 14:08Society
The last court session at the trial of the historian Oleg Sokolov, accused of the murder and dismemberment of Anastasia Yeshchenko, ended in a scandal. The witness, whom the defense of the accused insistently asked to be interrogated in court, turned out to be a fictional character.
Ivan Petrovsky
The meeting began with a motion by Oleg Sokolov's lawyers to postpone the meeting in connection with the need to interrogate a new witness who can provide sensational details about the victim of the dismemberment. It was about a certain Zhanna Ruzavina. According to Oleg Sokolov, this woman could prove... the "immorality" of his victim. The message is extraordinary, isn't it? Prior to that, two months ago, Sokolov demanded to summon the parents of the student he had killed and dismembered to court. He insisted that they tell them "how they raised the girl". Earlier, Sokolov's defense presented strange witnesses who said that the victim who died at the hands of Sokolov was allegedly "poorly brought up". And now a new witness appears on the horizon, who supposedly sheds light on the "immorality of the victim". The St. Petersburg State University associate professor rose high in his demands: he threatened to write to Vladimir Putin in court if Zhanna Ruzavina was not brought in as a witness.
However, during the court session it turned out that Zhanna Ruzavina is... historian and publicist Yevgeny Ponasenkov. “On behalf of a certain Zhanna Ruzavina, allegedly a restaurant employee, I wrote a letter to Sokolov in the pre-trial detention center. Zhanna reported that she allegedly saw his victim, Anastasia Yeshchenko, come out of a separate room of the restaurant with me. Intrigued, Sokolov began to answer letters from a woman I had invented. He wrote to the mythical Jeanne that she "charmed" him and that he, having served time, "is ready to become the father of her child". In the last letter, Sokolov went too far. He wrote that Zhanna was “beautiful in soul, and therefore beautiful in body as well”, - Yevgeny Ponasenkov told Novye Izvestia.
A strange revelation from the pre-trial detention center, isn't it? The man, who is accused of murdering and dismembering his female partner, is actually hinting to an unknown woman about an alliance with him. It is worth recalling that Oleg Sokolov, in addition to his criminal affair with Anastasia Yeshchenko, had three wives, from whom he has four children. With two of them, he filed for divorce, but one of Sokolov's marriage turned into a tragedy. “As a French teacher at school, Sokolov had an affair with a student, who a few years later became his wife and gave birth to a child. But soon after that, Sokolov's young wife died, allegedly of brain cancer. Only Sokolov was present at her funeral”, - Yevgeny Ponasenkov told NI.
In fact, the paradoxical story with the summons of the mythical witness to the court shows the level of protection of Oleg Sokolov, who easily takes unverified facts on faith and is going to interrogate non-existent people. As for Sokolov himself, serious questions arise about his professional qualities. After all, the main merit of a historian is the ability to work with sources and verify information. “Sokolov is totally unsuitable for professional work, he does not completely understand source studies - otherwise he would have recognized the “hand of a master”- after all, he is a “specialist” in hands”, - writes historian and publicist Yevgeny Ponasenkov in his Facebook.
This strange trial has long raised questions from both professional lawyers and observers. In fact, the proven case turns into interrogation of false witnesses, blasphemous accusations against the murdered woman, as well as strange threats of the dismemberment to “write to Putin”.
Experts are already building different versions about the reasons for the strange behavior of the murderer from St. Petersburg State University and about the delay in this trial itself. Thus, it is known that the dismemberment Sokolov was for a long time an honorary member of the Russian Military Historical Society (RVIO). As follows from the information on the RVIO website , many politicians and government officials were represented among its honorary members. It is possible that Oleg Sokolov still enjoys the support of influential persons.
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Solon | Article about Solon by The Free Dictionary
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(sō`lən), c.639–c.559 B.C., Athenian statesman, lawgiver, and reformer. He was also a poet, and some of his patriotic verse in the Ionic dialect is extant. At some time (perhaps c.600 B.C.) he led the Athenians in the recapture of Salamis from the Megarians. He was elected chief archonarchons
[Gr.,=leaders], in ancient Athens and other Greek cities, officers of state. Originally in Athens there were three archons: the archon eponymos (so called because the year was named after him), who was the chief officer of the state; the archon basileus,
..... Click the link for more information. in 594 at a time of social, economic, and political stress in Athens. With most of the land and political power in the hands of the nobles, the peasants were rapidly losing not only their land but their freedom as well. Solon annulled all mortgages and debts, limited the amount of land anyone might add to his holdings, and outlawed all borrowing in which a person's liberty might be pledged. This last reform put an end to serfdom in Attica. Other economic reforms included a ban on the export of all agricultural products except olive oil and the granting of citizenship to immigrant artisans. Solon also made important constitutional changes. The assembly was opened to all freemen, the AreopagusAreopagus
[Gr.,=hill of Ares], rocky hill, 370 ft (113 m) high, NW of the Acropolis of Athens, famous as the sacred meeting place of the prime council of Athens. This council, also called the Areopagus, represented the ancient council of elders, which usually combined judicial
..... Click the link for more information. was continued with new powers, and the Council of Four Hundred was created to represent the propertied classes and to prepare the agenda for the popular assembly. Although there was opposition to Solon's reforms, they subsequently became the basis of the Athenian state. He also introduced a more humane law code to replace the code of DracoDraco
or Dracon
, fl. 621 B.C., Athenian politician and law codifier. Of his codification of Athenian customary law only the section dealing with involuntary homicide is preserved.
(sōlən), city (1990 pop. 18,548), Cuyahoga co., NE Ohio, a suburb of ClevelandCleveland.
1 City (1990 pop. 505,616), seat of Cuyahoga co., NE Ohio, on Lake Erie at the mouth of the Cuyahoga River; laid out (1796) by Moses Cleaveland, chartered as a city 1836.
..... Click the link for more information. ; founded 1820, inc. as a city 1960. Its manufactures include metal products, machinery, electrical products and equipment, tools, and chemicals.
Born between 640 B.C. and 635 B.C.; died circa 559 B.C. Athenian political figure and social reformer.
Solon was descended from an impoverished aristocratic line founded by Codrus. For a number of years he engaged in overseas trade and traveled extensively. He served as a general in Athens’ war with Megara for the possession of Salamis in the late seventh century, achieving renown. After being elected archon and aisymnetes (reconciler of public disputes) in 594, he enacted several sociopolitical reforms. The first reform, the seisachtheia (literally, “shaking off of burdens,” that is, the removal of mortgage pillars [horos] from poor Athenians’ land plots), returned landholdings to indebted peasants and abolished enslavement for debt. Athenians sold into slavery for debts were redeemed and returned to their homeland. The law on freedom to draw up wills made it possible for family landed estates to be broken up into smaller holdings. Solon enacted several reforms to benefit the merchants and artisans. He standardized the system of weights and measures, replaced Aeginetan coins with the more current coins of Euboea, and granted merchants the right to form partnerships.
Solon’s constitutional reform created a timocratic government, that is, a government based on the property qualifications of its citizens. The citizens were divided, according to the income they received from their lands, into four classes: pentiakosiomedimnae, hippeis (knights), zeugitai, and thetes. The political rights of each class were determined by the volume of property. Solon gave more power to the ecclesia (popular assembly) and created two new organs of administration: the boule (council of 400) and the heliaea (court of jurors). Solon’s reforms helped do away with vestiges of the clan system and the rule of the clan aristocracy and prepared the way for Athenian slave-holding democracy.
One of the first Attic poets, Solon wrote elegies and iambs. According to Greek tradition, he is included among the Seven Wise Men of Greece.
Engels, F. “Proiskhozhdenie sem’i, chastnoi sobstvennosti, i gosudarstva.” In Marx, K., and F. Engels. Soch., 2nd ed., vol. 21, ch. 5.
Lentsman, la. A. “Raby v zakonakh Solona.” Vestnik drevnei istorii, 1958, no. 4.
Lentsman, la. A. “Dostovernost’ antichnoi traditsii o Solone.” In the collection Drevnii mir. Moscow, 1962.
Freeman, K. The Work and Life of Solon. Cardiff-London, 1926.
Masaracchia, A. Solone. Florence, 1958.
Woodhouse, W. J. Solon the Liberator. New York, 1965.
S. S. SOLOV’EVA
a tribal group of the Evenki peoples in the People’s Republic of China. Living in Inner Mongolia and the Sinkiang Uighur Autonomous Region, they speak a dialect of Evenki and practice shamanism. They have been strongly influenced and partially assimilated by the Manchus and Mongols. Their primary occupations are farming, livestock raising, and hunting.
(c. 639–c. 559 B.C.) Athenian statesman and wise legislator. [Gk. Hist.: Brewer Dictionary, 1018]
See: Lawgiving
?638--?559 bc, Athenian statesman, who introduced economic, political, and legal reforms
Altai Krai
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Bailey, Irving W.
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Solon said that 10 bomb- and drug-sniffing dogs were used to help secure the event this year.
700 security men deployed for 'Sarbay' beach party
Aguilar said the solon's camp already addressed this issue with Manila International Airport Authority General Manager Ed Monreal.
Solon scolding NAIA security screener in viral video says sorry
Solon said the first phase of the project, which is the construction of the P200 million multi-purpose sports building is expected to be completed by next year while the construction of the three storey 200-bed capacity dormitory will be completed by 2020.
P500 M sports complex to rise in Sarangani
The Sarangani Bay festival is a yearly event which is elebrated every third week of May and is recognized by the Department of Tourism nationwide as the annual biggest beach event in the province of Sarangani, Solon said in a news briefing on May 11.
Sarangani readies for 3-day festival
Solon joined the company in 2008 and most recently served as SVP in charge of Enterprisewide Information Technology, Administrative Services and the Digital Business Group.
Lincoln Financial names Kenneth S. Solon as EVP and CIO
It has evolved out of a Postgraduate Certicate in Advanced Investigative Practice, which was also developed in conjunction with Bond Solon.
University launches new course for industry
Food scientists, engineers, and technologists at the centre in the city of Solon will intensify work on recipe formulation, technologies and processes to support growing demand from Nestle's global frozen foods businesses, as well as that in the US.
New R and D investment will strengthen Nestle's expertise in Frozen and Chilled foods
SOLON Corporation, one of the largest providers of turnkey solar power plant services in the United States, has expanded across several growing solar markets in North America.
SOLON EXPANDS SOLAR ENERGY SOLUTIONS IN NO. AMERICA
Solon has received a $5,000 grant from the Ohio Cuyahoga County Solid Waste District to help promote recycling to residents.
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Summer of 2020---The Civil Unrest Thread--Read OP Before Posting (in memory of George Floyd)
By Jumbo,
June 2, 2020 in The Tailgate
15 minutes ago, visionary said:
Wait...is the admin viewing DC as a prison?
Its full of black people
Edited June 4, 2020 by visionary
spjunkies
The Franchise Player
When these protests are done the public should demand a full investigation on the units that instigated these incidents. I know these people are breaking the law by being out, but you're not going to jail them all so back the **** off.
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/06/03/new-york-bail-reform-laws-george-floyd-protests-andrew-cuomo-cy-vance/
Amid NYC Violence, Manhattan DA Asks Gov. Cuomo To Use Emergency Powers To Enable Judges To Hold Looters On Bail
bearrock
Most republican governors and mayors, I have no hope and couldn't care less. But any Dem chief executive who doesn't use the full weight of their office to come down hard on every instance of police brutality against peaceful protesters needs to pack up and go home. Learn from the example being set by people like the Atlanta mayor. Nothing could be more fundamental than protecting the Constitutional right to peaceably assemble and petition the government for redress of grievance. Do your ****ing job.
right wingers going ape**** about some national guard kneeing in solidarity with protesters.
1 hour ago, visionary said:
Yeah the people in that thread seem to believe that they're kneeling to the protesters like an act of surrender. It's solidarity that's being demonstrated here. I can't decide if they're just too stupid to understand or just too bitter to admit it.
That said, it's weird that some of protesters directly in front of them aren't kneeling too and are instead looming over them and snapping pictures close up. If you get them to join your cause, probably best not to immediately act like a dick.
Surprise, surprise.
Snagletooth
Are there a lot of peeps from Bethesda here on the forum?
Bill Barr. Good, good. That’ll keep the blacks out!
Ben Carson: Wait...what?
Bill Barr: Oh not you, Ben. You’re one of the good ones. Now, can you get go fetch the President a hamburger? Oh and use the side entrance, we don’t want security pepper spraying you again.”
Hes finally gonna build that wall huh?
New Orleans, huh.....
Barr, who gave the order to tear gas peaceful protestors for Trump’s photo op, is emerging as the main force behind the over-the-top response in DC. The man has authoritarian instincts—and knows how to implement them.
And I thought all he did was coverups.
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Enver Hoxha on the Titoite Betrayal
Posted byVictor Vaughn August 15, 2013 December 22, 2013 Posted inAlbania, Anti-Imperialism, British Imperialism, Capitalism & Bourgeois Liberalism, Capitalist Repression, Capitalist Restoration and Counterrevolution, Eastern Bloc, Enver Hoxha, Europe, History, Hungary, Imperialism & Colonialism, Internationalism, Joseph Stalin, Khrushchevism/ Brezhnevism, Kosova, Marxism-Leninism, Myth-Busting, Polemics & Refutations, Revisionism, Revolutionary Quotations, Social-Democracy, The Classics, The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (U.S.S.R.), Theory, Titoism, U.S. Imperialism, Yugoslavia
“Traitors to Marxism-Leninism, agents of imperialism and intriguers like Josif Broz Tito, try in a thousand ways, by hatching up diabolic schemes like the creation of a third force, to mislead these people and the newly-set up states [in Africa and Asia], to detach them from their natural allies, to hitch them up to U.S. imperialism. We should exert all our efforts to defeat the schemes of these lackeys of imperialism.
[….]
U.S. imperialism has given and is giving billions of dollars to its loyal agents, the treacherous Tito gang.
It has been said that J. V. Stalin was mistaken in assessing the Yugoslav revisionists and in sharpening his attitude towards them. Our Party has never endorsed such a view, because time and experience has proven the contrary. Stalin made a very correct assessment of the danger of the Yugoslav revisionists, he tried to settle this affair at the proper moment and in a Marxist way. The Inform Bureau, as a collective organ, was called together at that time and, after the Titoite group was exposed, a merciless battle was waged against it. Time has proven over and over again that such a thing was necessary and correct.
The Party of Labor of Albania has always held the opinion and is convinced that Tito’s group are traitors to Marxism-Leninism, agents of imperialism, dangerous enemies of the socialist camp and of the entire international communist and workers’ movement, therefore a merciless battle should be waged against them. We, on our part, have waged and continue to wage this battle as internationalist communists and also because we have felt and continue to feel on our own backs the burden of the hostile activity of Tito’s revisionist clique against our Party and our country. But this stand of our Party has not been and is not to the liking of comrade Khrushchev and certain other comrades.
The Titoite group have long been a group of Trotskyites and renegades. For the Party of Labor of Albania, at least, they have been such since 1942, that is, since 18 years ago.
As far back as 1942, when the war of the Albanian people surged forward, the Belgrade Trotskyite group disguising themselves as friends and abusing our trust in them tried their uttermost to hinder the development of our armed struggle, to hamper the creation of powerful Albanian partisan fighting detachments, and, since it was impossible to stop them, to put them under their direct political and military control. They attempted to make everything dependent on Belgrade, and our Party and our partisan army mere appendages of the Yugoslav Communist Party and the Yugoslav National-liberation Army.
Our Party, while preserving its friendship with the Yugoslav partisans, successfully resisted these diabolical intentions. It was at that time that the Titoite group tried to found the Balkan Federation under the direction of the Belgrade Titoites, to hitch the Communist Parties to the chariot of the Yugoslav Communist Party, to place the partisan armies of the Balkan peoples under the Yugoslav Titoite staff. It was to this end that, in agreement with the British, they tried to set up the Balkan Staff and to place it, that is to say, to place our armies under the direction of the Anglo-Americans. Our Party successfully resisted these diabolic schemes. And when the banner of liberation was hoisted in Tirana, the Titoite gang in Belgrade issued orders to their agents in Albania to discredit the success of the Albanian Communist Party and to organize a “putsch” to overthrow the leadership of our Party which guided the National-liberation War and led the Albanian people to victory. The first “putsch” was organized by Tito through his secret agents within our Party. But the Albanian Communist Party frustrated this plot of Tito’s.
The Belgrade plotters did not lay down their arms and, together with their agent in our Party, the traitor Koçi Xoxe, continued the re-organization of their plot against new Albania in other forms, new forms. Their intention was to turn Albania into a seventh Republic of Yugoslavia.
At a time when our country had been devastated and laid waste and needed to be completely rebuilt, when our people were without food and shelter but with high morale, when our people and army, weapons in hand, kept vigilant guard against the plots of reaction organized by the Anglo-U.S. military missions who threatened Albania with a new invasion, when a large part of the Albanian partisan army had crossed the border and had gone to the aid of the Yugoslav brothers, fighting side by side with them and together liberating Montenegro, Bosnia, Herzegovina, Kosova and Metohia and Macedonia, the Belgrade plotters hatched up schemes to enslave Albania.
But our Party offered heroic resistance to these secret agents who posed as communists. When the Belgrade Trotskyites realized that they had lost their case, that our Party was smashing their plots, they played their last card, namely, to invade Albania with their army, to crush all resistance, to arrest the leaders of the Party of Labor of Albania and of the Albanian State and to proclaim Albania a seventh Republic of Yugoslavia. Our Party defeated this diabolic scheme of theirs also. Joseph Stalin’s aid and intervention at these moments was decisive for our Party and for the freedom of the Albanian people. Precisely at this time the Information Bureau exposed the Tito clique. Stalin and the Soviet Union saved the Albanian people for the second time.
The Information Bureau brought about the defeat of the conspiracies of the Tito clique, not only in Albania but also in other countries of People’s Democracy. Posing as communists, the renegade and agent of imperialism, Tito, and his gang, tried to alienate the countries of People’s Democracy in the Balkans and Central Europe from the friendship and wartime alliance with the Soviet Union, to destroy the communist and workers’ parties of our countries and to turn our States into reserves of Anglo-American imperialism.
Who was there who did not know about and see in action the hostile schemes of imperialism and its loyal servitor Tito? Everybody knew, everybody learned, and all unanimously approved the correct decisions of the Information Bureau. Everyone without exception approved the Resolutions of the Information Bureau which, in our opinion, were and still are correct.
Those who did not want to see and understand these acts of this criminal gang had a second chance to do so in the Hungarian counter-revolution and in the unceasing plots against Albania. The wolf may change his coat but he remains a wolf. Tito and his gang may resort to trickery, may try to disguise themselves, but they are traitors, criminals and agents of imperialism. They are the murderers of the heroic Yugoslav internationalist communists and thus they will remain and thus they will act until they are wiped out.
The Party of Labor of Albania considers the decisions taken against Tito’s renegade group by the Information Bureau not as decisions taken by comrade Stalin personally but as decisions taken by all the parties that made up the Information Bureau.
The Party of Labor of Albania remained unshaken in its views that the Titoite group were traitors, renegades, Trotskyites, subversionists and agents of the U.S. imperialists, that the Party of Labor of Albania had not been mistaken about them.
The Party of Labor of Albania remained unshaken in its view that comrade Stalin had not erred in this matter…
Some comrades hold the erroneous idea that we maintain this attitude towards the Titoites because, they claim, we are allegedly eager to hold the banner of the fight against revisionism or because we view this problem from a narrow angle, from a purely national angle, therefore, they claim, we have embarked, if not altogether on a “chauvinist course”, at least on that of “narrow nationalism”. The Party of Labor of Albania has viewed and views the question of Yugoslav revisionism through the prism of Marxism-Leninism, it has viewed, views, and fights it as the main danger to the international communist movement, as a danger to the unity of the socialist camp.
The Yugoslavs accuse us of allegedly being chauvinists, of interfering in their internal affairs, and of demanding a rectification of the Albanian -Yugoslav borders. A number of our friends think and imply that we Albanian communists swim in such waters. We tell our friends who think thus that they are grossly mistaken. We are not chauvinists, we have neither demanded nor demand rectification of boundaries. But what we demand and will continually demand from the Titoites, and we will expose them to the end for this, is that they give up perpetrating the crime of genocide against the Albanian minority in Kosova and Metohia, that they give up the white terror against the Albanians of Kosova, that they give up driving the Albanians from their native soil and deporting them ‘en masse’ to Turkey. We demand that the rights of the Albanian minority in Yugoslavia should be recognized according to the Constitution of the People’s Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Is this chauvinist or Marxist?
– Enver Hoxha, “Reject the Revisionist Thesis of the 20th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the Anti-Marxist Stand of Khrushchev’s Group! Uphold Marxism-Leninism!”
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Tito was such a puppet to the U.S. imperialists, I have no idea why anyone that calls themselves a communist could look at that despicable traitor and defend him like the sorry Titoists love to do. What kind of Marxist gets friendly to the British and U.S. like that? Long live Hoxha, Stalin, and all the real heads of Marxism. Yugoslavia is a hell hole today and that’s all because Tito ran them into the ground.
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By Tony Polese · On December 12, 2019
“Following up from the popular first movie was a big challenge.
To set up the scene for the sequel, we are taken back to the childhood of Anna and Elsa. It’s bedtime and their father, the king, persuades the girls into bed with the promise of a bedtime story. What unfolds is the story of a childhood memory.
Flash forward to life in Eryndale. The town has settled down into a routine and Anna is happy with the simplicity of Eryndale life. Elsa struggles with her role as the queen, no use for her icy superpowers nor knowing what her true purpose is.
It is at this point that a voice begins to sing out to Elsa. Initially she resists acknowledging the voice, until it becomes so enticing that she replies unleashing the four elements, earth, wind, fire and water upon Eryndale. These elements disrupt the town and the four go on a quest to Northuldra, the enchanted forest of her their fathers story to search for the origin of the voice.
As they discover Northuldra, they find it surrounded by a thick fog. The fog allows them to pass through it and here they encounter the Northuldrians, the native people of the forest. During their stay, Elsa and Anna come to learn more about their heritage, the meaning behind their fathers tale and new characters are introduced.
As the story develops, the group is separated. Elsa begins her journey to discover the origin of the voice that beckons her, whilst Anna struggles to be by her sisters side. Kristoff has his sights set on a marriage proposal but it’s continuously disrupted.
During their separation, all have their challenges to face; Elsa and her true calling, Anna and her journey through with loss, courage and finding her own identity without her sister while Kristoff struggles being the third wheel. This of course, is all dramatized through the power ballad.
As Elsa battles the elements she discovers her true purpose and the truth behind her fathers song. Anna’s strength and identity are realized despite not having actual super powers.
Pushing through loss and grief, sacrifice and righting wrongs of the past are the biggest themes of this movie.
Favorite parts include Elsa and her water stallion fearlessly galloping across the Black Sea, saving Eryndale and Kristoff’s power ballad that somehow morphs the music video style of the early 80s with 2019 animation?
Overall, the kids in the theatre were laughing over Olafs antics (he does a hysterical recap of the first movie). My daughter was enamored with the wide eyed fire lizard and although I desperately wanted to love the music, for me, it just didn’t match the hits from the first movie. My rating for the movie is a 6.5/10.
All in all, a very entertaining follow up sequel, with some strong key themes and light hearted fun that the kids will enjoy. “
Tony Polese
6.5 Overall Score
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Layouts, Floorplans, and Frameworks Tool Development Side Navigation
This control has been designed specifically for the tool landscape for the SAP Cloud Platform. It is not intended for use in regular SAP Fiori applications.
The side navigation area can be used to display navigation structures with up to two levels. It contains links that change the content in the main area. The side navigation area has three visual states: off-canvas, medium and large. Depending on the device context, two of these states are used per device.
General page structure of a tool
Entries in the side navigation area can consist of text only or an icon with text. The use or non-use of icons must be consistent for all links on one level. You must not combine entries with and without icons on the same level.
We strongly recommend that you do not use icons on the second level.
The side navigation area has three visual states: off-canvas, medium and large. Depending on the device context, only two states are used per device. App developers may choose the default state for each device. The user toggles through these states by clicking on the navigation icon that is part of the tool header. Persist the view settings: when a user reopens the app, show the state with the same settings as last defined by this user.
If icons are used on the first level and the app is running on a desktop, there is a large and a medium state. The user can toggle between these states by clicking on the menu icon in the tool header. The large state shows all content of the navigational structure. The medium state shows only the icons on the first level. If the user clicks or taps on such an icon, a flyout navigation menu is triggered, showing the first-level item and all second-level items. If a first-level or second-level item is clicked or tapped in the flyout menu, the navigation is triggered and the content section is updated. If there are no second-level items at all, the navigation is triggered directly to prevent inconsistent behavior in the case of mixed entries (entries with or without second-level navigation). The flyout menu is closed after a navigation action, or if the user clicks or taps anywhere outside the flyout.
When the user resizes the browser window and the height of the window is reduced, the space between the main navigation container and the utility section container shrinks to a minimum height. A scrollbar then appears in the main navigation section. This section also has its own overflow mechanism.
The side navigation area consists of two containers: the main navigation section (top-aligned) and the utility section (bottom-aligned). Use the main navigation section for links that navigate within the user’s current work context. Use the utility section for content like legal information (such as links to central SAP pages), or for links to additional information that may be of interest (for example, developer communities, external help, and so on). Legal information must always be the last link in the utility section, and thus be located at the bottom of the utility section.
The side navigation area consists of two containers
Utility items, such as legal information and links to communities should be located at the bottom of the side navigation in the utility section. This must always be visible and does not have an overflow.
No more than three of these links should be displayed in the side navigation area. When the user selects these items, they display representations in the content area, where further links to, for example, legal resources or sap.com can be displayed. The links in the content area should then open a new browser tab to display the information, which should be consistent throughout the SAP system.
Another example of this type of link is app-specific settings, which also open in the content area.
The following examples show what such pages can look like. However, this is not part of this specification, so please consider these screens only as possibilities and not as templates you need to follow. It is not yet clear whether we will have a guideline for this type of page.
The utility section should not contain more than three links. Furthermore, it does not contain an overflow mechanism; in other words, these links are always shown.
If there is too much content to fit into the maximum three links of the utility section, you should group the corresponding links into pages that are shown when the user clicks the entry (see image below).
Utility items in the side navigation area
Legal links in the side navigation area
The central legal information is opened in another browser tab.
Open an Entry
Clicking on a link in the side navigation changes the information in the content area and also the state of the breadcrumb if the navigation changes the current object displayed in the content area. When users click on an entry in the side navigation, they should never be navigated away from the current app but always remain within the app, and content should never open on a new browser tab.
Navigate One Level
When the user clicks on a navigation link, the content area is updated.
Clicking a link in the side navigation area should never open a new browser window, tab, or popup; the content area should always be updated.
There is only one level of navigation; all further navigation is shown in the content area.
Side navigation with one level of navigation
Navigate Two Levels
This consists of two levels of entries. The entries on the first level can be navigational links or just group headers (that is, texts that do not trigger navigation themselves).
If there is a second level behind a first-level entry, the user can collapse and expand it by clicking on the collapse/expand icon.
Only use a group if at least two navigation links are available within the group.
Clicking an item in the side navigation area should never open a new browser window, tab, or popup; the content area should always be updated.
There are only two levels of navigation; all further navigation is shown in the content area.
Side navigation with two levels of navigation.
The side navigation has two footprint options: icon only and icon plus text.
It allows for a maximum of two levels of navigation; all further levels should be displayed in the content area.
Do not show lists of dynamic content in the side navigation. For example, do not show a list of favorite applications in the side navigation as it may change over time.
Set the initially displayed item to “selected” using the association association:selectedItem.
Use the side navigation if:
You need to display global navigation structures of up to two levels.
Your scenarios are in the tooling or administration space.
Do not use the side navigation if:
Your scenarios are not in the tooling or administration space.
Navigation List (SAPUI5 samples)
Side Navigation (SAPUI5 samples)
Side Navigation (SAPUI5 API reference)
Tool Page (SAPUI5 samples)
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Layouts, Floorplans, and Frameworks Layouts Flexible Column Layout
Flexible Column Layout (Layout + SAP Fiori Elements)
sap.f.FlexibleColumnLayout
The flexible column layout is a layout control that displays multiple floorplans on a single page. This allows faster and more fluid navigation between multiple floorplans than the usual page-by-page navigation. The flexible column layout offers different layouts with up to three columns (1, 2, 3). Users can expand the column they want to focus on, switch between different layouts, and view the rightmost column in full screen mode.
Flexible column layout - Example with three columns
The flexible column layout behaves responsively, which makes it suitable for both desktop and mobile devices. Depending on the available screen width, an optimized layout is loaded to ensure the best possible user experience on each device. The flexible column layout is a generic control. As a layout container, it does not provide any content itself.
The flexible column layout is already incorporated within SAP Fiori elements.
Use the flexible column layout if:
You want to create a master-detail or master-detail-detail scenario in which the user can drill down or navigate.
Do not use the flexible column layout if:
You want to build a workbench or tools layout. The flexible column layout is not meant to provide a main column with additional side columns on the left and/or right. If you want to display additional content to enrich the main content and to help users better perform their tasks, use the dynamic side content instead.
You want to create a dashboard with context-independent pages.
You want to open multiple instances of the same object type. Use the multi-instance handling floorplan instead.
You want to split a single object into multiple columns, or display only a small amount of information.
You want to embed the SAP Fiori launchpad or overview page into one of the columns.
As with all layouts, the flexible column layout is embedded in the shell bar of the SAP Fiori launchpad. From the shell bar, users have access to the launchpad services, including the home page, search, settings, and help. Apps are embedded in the shell and have little influence over its features. The shell bar also provides the back navigation and the app title, including the navigation menu.
Depending on the current layout and display size, the flexible column layout consists of one, two, or three horizontally-aligned columns. Each column contains content that is not provided by the flexible column layout itself. The flexible column layout is not restricted to a specific floorplan, as long as the floorplan you use is responsive down to phone size. However, we recommend using the dynamic page.
It is not possible to use the SAP Fiori launchpad or the overview page in one of the columns.
Possible Layouts
To give users a better overview, the flexible column layout offers different layouts with one, two, or three columns. Depending on the screen size, up to five different base layouts are available.
For simplicity, this article assumes that the last column (the lowest drilldown level in the hierachy) is the rightmost column (left-to-right languages).
For right-to-left languages, however, the last column is the leftmost column.
Flexible column layout - Structure example (25% + 50% + 25%)
Size L and XL (Desktop)
There are five different layouts in sizes L and XL: a full screen layout, as well as two different 2-column and 3-column layouts.
Available layouts in sizes L and XL
Size M (Tablet)
There are three different layouts in size M: a full screen layout and two different 2-column layouts. There is no 3-column layout due to the limited width. However, you can still load 3 pages in size M. Instead of showing them all side-by-side, the user can switch between columns 1/2 and 2/3.
Available layouts in size M
Size S (Phone)
Because of the limited width, there is no multi-column layout for Size S. Instead, the rightmost column is shown in full screen mode.
Available layout in size S
The flexible column layout offers a few simple actions that allow users to adapt the current layout according to their needs.
Note: Some of the actions (illustrated by blue lines in the image below) recover the last state of the layout to which they refer. In other words, the result of the action depends on the previous state of the layout.
Layout Arrow
The layout arrows allow users to expand the width of a given column, thereby changing the current layout. However, this action cannot be used to expand a column to full screen mode. There is a separate action for expanding a column to full screen mode.
The layout arrow is located next to the divider and points in the direction in which a column can be expanded. If a column cannot be expanded any further, the action is hidden.
The user cannot change the size of a column freely (for example, 15% + 85%).
Enter Full Screen Mode
With the Full Screen icon , the user can switch the rightmost column to full screen mode. The action is located in the rightmost column, and is only offered if there is more than one column.
Exit Full Screen Mode
By selecting the Exit Full Screen icon , the user can exit the full screen and switch back to the multi-column (side-by-side) view. The action is only available while in full screen mode.
The actions are not available in size S, which only displays a single column.
Entering and Exiting Full Screen Mode
With the Close icon , the user can close the last (rightmost) column. If the user selects this action in the second column while the third column is minimized, both columns are closed. Close is also available in full screen mode, and in the second/third column for size S.
Close Action
The Close and Enter Full Screen / Exit Full Screen actions:
Are only displayed in the third column (or in the second column if there is no third column, or if the third column is minimized).
Are displayed as the last actions in the layout action section (or in the global actions toolbar if there is no layout action section in the floorplan). The layout action section is displayed to the right of the global actions on columns ≥1280 px wide, and in a separate line above the global actions on columns <1280 px wide.
Never move into the overflow.
Are always shown side-by-side (Enter Full Screen / Exit Full Screen icon left, Close icon right).
Exception: There is no Enter Full Screen action in size S.
The actions for entering and exiting full screen mode and closing columns are not provided automatically by the flexible column layout control, and need to be implemented manually. However, you can use the semantic page, which supports these actions for freestyle applications (only available with the dynamic page).
In addition to the actions specific to the flexible column layout, the user can also use the forward and backward navigation to navigate through the flexible column layout. Drilling in or navigating forward opens a new column, while Back closes a column or exits the full screen mode (depending on what the last action was).
Please note: Back does not restore layout changes (such as switching from 33% + 67% to 67% + 33%). It also doesn’t reopen columns that were closed previously using the Close button ( ).
Because the flexible column layout only supports a maximum of 3 columns, any follow-on pages are loaded in full screen mode. These pages do not contain Close or Enter Full Screen / Exit Full Screen actions.
By default, the width is initially 33% for the second column and 25% for the third column. You can also set the width of the second column to 67%, or the third to 50% if your use case requires it.
To implement the navigation/routing, you can use the SemanticHelper class, which provides predefined behavior to simplify the implementation.
Forward Navigation
Backward Navigation
The flexible column layout changes its behavior for sizes XL, L, M and S in real time whenever the user resizes the screen.
If no previous state has been saved, ensure that the default layout appears automatically. For example, if the flexible column layout was initially loaded in size S and the user then navigates to the second column and changes the browser window to size M, show the default 2-column layout for size M (67% + 33%).
Responsiveness of the flexible column layout
Dialogs triggered in one of the columns are centered over the entire screen.
Center dialogs triggered in a column
Do not right-align dialogs triggered in a column
Vertical Size / Scrolling
Each column inside the flexible column layout contains an independent floorplan with its own scrolling behavior. There is no “all-encompassing” scrollbar which scrolls all columns simultaneously. The height of each floorplan is defined by the screen size.
Give each column its own scrollbar
There is no universal scrollbar for all columns
Two Columns (Master-Detail Mode)
By default, the flexible column layout starts off with one column. The user opens new columns by navigating forward. Since the flexible column layout is the successor of the split-screen layout, you can also use just two columns if your use case requires it. Do not start your application with three columns. Too much information at the beginning can confuse users.
If you start with two columns, make sure that size S shows the first column. Otherwise, users see the second column first, which might be confusing. (Showing the second column is the normal responsive behavior of the flexible column layout, which always shows the last column in size S.)
Even if you start with two columns, offer the layout arrow and the Close action in the second column.
Examples: Starting with two columns (sizes L and XL)
Titles / Breadcrumbs / Up and Down Arrows
If more than one column is visible, show the application title in the shell bar. If the user switches to full screen mode, show the page title. Also show the page title for size S, where only one column is visible.
If multiple columns are visible, hide the breadcrumbs and up/down arrows.
Application title in the shell bar
Page title in the shell bar
Every layout inside the flexible column layout can be bookmarked. For example, if the user bookmarks a 3-column layout set to 25% + 50% + 25%, load this layout when the user opens the bookmark.
Minimized Third Column
When the user expands the first column in a 3-column layout, the third column is minimized. Close, Enter Full Screen, and layout arrow actions also appear on the right-hand border of the second column to allow the user to return to the original 3-column layout.
Close: The second and third (minimized) columns close. A dialog can appear to warn the user about any unsaved data in the third column.
Full screen: When the user clicks the Enter Full Screen icon, the second column switches to full screen mode. The third column remains open (but not visible), and closes as soon as the user selects another item in the second column, or uses the Close action in the second column. If the user selects the same item in the second column, it opens in the same state as before it was minimized.
Layout arrow: The arrow for changing the layout to 25% + 50% + 25% is only available in the 33% + 67% layout. This arrow is hidden if the user is changing the layout to 67% + 33%.
Example of a minimized third column (33% + 67%)
Using Close in Combination with Back Navigation
The back navigation must not restore a column that was previously closed with the Close icon .
Example: The user closes the third column by clicking the Close icon in the upper-right corner. If the user then navigates back (UI or browser), the second column should close.
Using 'Close' in combination with back navigation
3 Columns in Size M
To offer a desktop-like experience in size M, the flexible column layout displays either the first and second or the second and third column. The user can switch between these views by using the layout arrow on the left or right side of the flexible column layout. Note: This behavior is only intended for size M. Do not use it for sizes L or XL.
3-column interaction in size M
Do not use letterboxing in combination with the flexible column layout, as it will reduce the size of the usable screen area.
Proper use of usable screen area
Improper use of usable screen area with letterboxing
Full Screen Navigation
After switching a column to full screen mode, selecting the Back icon exits the full screen mode.
If the screen is in full screen mode, and the user navigates forward, also show the next column in full screen mode. If the user navigates backward, go back in full screen mode until the point where the user initially switched to full screen. If the user then clicks Back again, return to the multi-column mode.
Using full screen mode in combination with navigation
Each column of the flexible column layout can have its own footer toolbar. There is no overall footer toolbar that spans several columns.
Give each column its own footer toolbar
There is no overall footer toolbar spanning several columns
Overlapping Header
The flexible column layout can display multiple floorplans side-by-side. However, it is not designed for splitting a single floorplan into several columns. As a result, there is no overall header that spans several columns. If you need to show additional content within a floorplan, use the dynamic side content.
Each column has its own header
There should be no overall header
Empty Details Column
Do not display an empty details column when using the flexible column layout. For example, if no items have been selected in the second column, do not show an empty third column.
If no items are selected in the 2nd column, show only 2 columns
Do not show an empty 3rd column
Usage With One or Several Initial Full Screen Pages
Some use cases require starting an application with one or more full screen pages. You can do this by using the first column of the flexible column layout in full screen mode. This allows you to show one or several initial full screen pages with different content. Because of technical constraints, you must always use the flexible column layout to show this initial content.
Using the flexible column layout with initial full screen pages
Content Padding Inside Columns
The flexible column layout doesn’t provide additional paddings around the content area. Since some controls have different internal paddings, please ensure that they are aligned correctly.
If you are using the dynamic page inside the flexible column layout, you can use the class sapFDynamicPageAlignContent to overcome misalignment issues.
Content Interaction
Selecting a Different Item
If the user selects a different item in the master-detail or master-detail-detail scenario, the content of the details column changes to reflect the data of the newly selected item. If the item is selected in the first column, and the last column (column C) was open before the new item was selected, selecting the item closes the last column.
Deleting an Item
When an item is deleted, there are two options for handling the content of the details columns:
Select the next item and change the content in the details column.
If the user deletes the last item, you can opt to either select the previous item or close the details column(s). If the user deletes all the objects, always close all columns, since there is no content to display.
Do not select an item and close the other columns.
Deleting and selecting the next item
Deleting and closing the other columns
Behavior on Filtering
Filtering in one of the columns does not affect the content in the other columns.
Once a filter is applied, the results are shown in the same column. The content in the remaining columns does not change, unless another item is selected.
Filtering does not affect the other columns
Tab/Anchor Navigation
Tabs and anchors are used for navigation within an object or as a filter (for example, in object pages). They affect only the respective column and do not close or change the content in the other columns.
Tab/anchor navigation does not affect the other columns
SAP Fiori Elements
The flexible column layout is available in SAP Fiori elements for scenarios that use draft handling. If you use draft handling, we strongly recommend using the SAP Fiori elements implementation, wherever possible. The implementation already includes the navigation and routing behavior, as well as the Close and Full Screen actions, for example. Starting the application with two columns is also supported by SAP Fiori elements.
Introduction to SAP Fiori Elements (guidelines)
Flexible Column Layout (SAPUI5 samples)
Flexible Column Layout (SAPUI5 API reference)
Flexible Column Layout (SAPUI5 documentation)
Flexible Column Layout – Semantic Helper (SAPUI5 API reference)
Flexible Column Layout Semantic Helper (SAPUI5 documentation)
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Oil down 1% on rising US drilling fears
Crude has closed down more than one per cent for a second straight week of losses, on worries that US President Donald Trump's withdrawal from the Paris climate accord could accelerate US production and flood the global oil market.
Brent crude futures settled at $US49.95 per barrel, down US68 cents or 1.3 per cent, while US West Texas Intermediate crude futures fell US70 cents to settle at $US47.66 per barrel or 1.5 per cent. Both contracts ended the week down more than four per cent.
Market analysts are troubled by a growth in US crude production that is offsetting efforts from the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries to reduce global oversupply.
US drillers this week added 11 rigs, in a record stretch of 20 straight weeks of additions, data from energy services company Baker Hughes showed.
Trump's withdrawal from the Paris agreement, the landmark 2015 global pact to fight climate change, drew condemnation from Washington's allies and many in the energy industry - and sparked fears that US oil production could expand more rapidly than it is currently.
"Trump seems to be removing any barriers he can find that would obstruct growth of crude oil or natural gas," said Stewart Glickman, energy equity analyst at CFRA in New York.
"It's kind of ironic because by doing that you're encouraging more volumes to come out of the ground."
US crude production last week rose by nearly 500,000 barrels per day (bpd) from year-earlier levels and hit 9.34 million bpd, its highest since August 2015.
Last week, OPEC and some non-OPEC producers extended a deal to cut 1.8 million bpd in supply until March 2018. Oil prices are down around 10 per cent since the extension.
"The market is a little skeptical that OPEC staying at their current production levels will really reach their goal, which is to hit the five-year average," said James Williams, president of WTRG Economics in London, Arkansas.
Reuters sources say OPEC officials discussed deepening the cuts last week and could revisit the proposal.
US output is expected to keep rising, as the US Energy Information Administration forecasts production of about 10 million bpd next year, similar levels to Russia and Saudi Arabia.
Igor Sechin, chief of Russia's largest oil producer, Rosneft, said US producers could add up to 1.5 million bpd to world oil output next year.
Money managers raised their net long US crude futures and options positions in the week to May 30, the US Commodity Futures Trading Commission said on Friday.
US inventories fell 6.4 million barrels last week, their eighth straight weekly drawdown. The lower inventories caused a rise in prices on Thursday, but the small rally was brief. Williams of WTRG said that is because US inventory draws tend to rise during this time of year anyway.
Gold hits 6-week high on US jobs data
Services sector activity expands in May
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Oil shares lift global stocks
An agreement by OPEC members to curb output boosted oil company shares has lifted the currencies of crude-producing countries, and drove yields on low-risk government debt higher.
Global stocks were pulled higher on Thursday by the oil company rally.
Oil prices, however, edged off their highs as some investors took profits on Wednesday's more than five per cent surge, which was prompted by OPEC's first deal to limit output since 2008. Scepticism over how it would be implemented also crept in.
But the surprise agreement boosted investors' appetite for riskier assets and saw the safe-haven yen fall one per cent against the US dollar at one point.
"Everything you're seeing today is a response to the move in crude and the possible co-ordination necessary for OPEC to do what it has announced. Even though I think the agreement is probably a bit flimsy, the amount of coordination is part of the reason for the rally in risk," said BMO Capital Markets currency strategist Stephen Gallo.
The pan-European STOXX 600 index was up 0.8 per cent in early trade, led higher by a 4.8 per cent rise in the oil and gas companies sub-index.
Among leading gainers, Tullow Oil rose eight per cent, Statoil and Royal Dutch Shell and Total added more than five per cent.
In Russia - a major oil producer - the dollar-denominated RTS share index rose 2.4 per cent.
Energy shares led Wall Street higher on Wednesday, with the S&P 500 index rising 0.5 per cent. Oil companies, and the weaker yen, also lifted Tokyo shares, which closed 1.4 per cent higher
MSCI's broadest index of Asia-Pacific shares outside Japan was up 0.7 per cent. The main MSCI emerging market equities index rose 0.6 per cent.
Hong Kong's Hang Seng index rose 0.5 per cent to 23,739.47 points, while the China Enterprises Index gained 0.8 per cent to 9,794.33.
China stocks finished higher led by energy shares, but turnover in Shanghai was near a four-month low as traders braced for a long holiday.
The blue-chip CSI300 index rose 0.4 per cent, to 3,244.39, while the Shanghai Composite Index also gained 0.4 per cent to 2,998.48 points.
However, Indian stocks fell as much as two per cent at one point after New Delhi launched strikes on militants it suspects of preparing to infiltrate into the part of Kashmir it controls. The Indian rupee fell almost one per cent against the dollar.
OPEC, the Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, agreed to cut output to a range of 32.5-33.0 million barrels a day from the group's current estimate of 33.24 million barrels, ministers at the talks in Algiers said.
However, each member's output levels will be decided at the next formal OPEC meeting in Vienna in November, when non-OPEC countries such as Russia could also be invited to join the cuts.
Goldman Sachs said the deal could add as much as $US10 ($A13) to oil prices ion the first half of next year but, given the uncertainty of the proposal, stuck to its year-end and 2017 oil price forecasts.
Brent crude, the international benchmark was down 61 cents, 1.3 per cent, at $US48.08 ($A62.68) per barrel, after rising to as high as $US49.09 ($A64) on Wednesday.
"There is a lack of clarity and detail, which is why people are taking profits," said Vivendra Chauhan, oil analyst at Energy Aspects in Singapore.
Oil-producer's currencies, including the Canadian dollar and the Norwegian crown rose on the deal but gave up some of the gains on Thursday in line with oil.
German 10-year government bond yields, the eurozone benchmark, rose three basis points to minus 0.12 per cent. US 10-year Treasury yields also rose and were last up 1.5 bps at 1.582 per cent.
An inflationary rise in oil prices would rattle investors already nervous that an era of central bank stimulus may be coming to an end.
However, given doubts about the deal, BNP Paribas European rates strategist Patrick Jacques said the upward pressure on bond yields would prove temporary.
"Even if there's a five per cent rise in oil prices, this will not trigger a strong rebound in inflation and at these levels, oil output is still higher than demand so we're unlikely to see a massive rally in oil," he said.
Stocks Asia
$A falls back from oil fuelled surge
NZ dollar falls on US bank stocks fears
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Four airmen save father of three from drowning
By Oriana Pawlyk on July 7, 2014 Air Education and Training Command, Air Force
Four airmen were at the right place at the right time when a father of three children was caught by a strong current in the Buttahatchee River in Caledonia, Mississippi, over Memorial Day weekend. Staff Sgt. Joshua Keith, Airman 1st Class Kyle Carpenter, Senior Airman Ryan Werner and Staff Sgt. Alexander Gordy, all part of the 14th Operations Support Squadron at Columbus Air Force Base, helped save and revive a father who jumped in after his three children, according to a news release. The children’s grandfather also jumped in to help, but after struggling with the current, was unable to be revived…
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Tags: Alex Garland, Andrew Garfield, Brendan Gleeson, Carey Mulligan, Daniel Craig, David Fincher, David Wilmot, Don Cheadle, Donnie Darko, Emily Blunt, Ernest Hemingway, George Nolfi, Incendies, John Michael McDonagh, Kazuo Ishiguro, Keira Knightley, Kick-Ass, Liam Cunningham, Lisbeth Salander, Little White Lies, Lost Generation, Magneto, Marion Cotillard, Mark Romanek, Mark Strong, Matt Damon, Matthew Vaughn, Michael Fassbender, Michael Shannon, Midnight in Paris, Mystique, Never Let Me Go, Owen Wilson, Philip K Dick, Professor X, Rachel MacAdams, Richard Ayoade, Rooney Mara, Stieg Larsson, Submarine, Take Shelter, The Adjustment Bureau, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, The Guard, Top 10 Films of 2011, Woody Allen, X-Men: First Class
(10) The Adjustment Bureau
George Nolfi’s Philip K Dick adaptation had a too neat resolution, but against that one flaw must be set a brace of wonderfully nuanced and contrasting villains, a truly dazzling romance that craftily worked on two different levels, superb comedy from Emily Blunt and Matt Damon, and a delightful temporally skipping structure that organically built to an unexpected and thrilling action chase finale. Nolfi took an idea from Dick and built something warm and great around it.
(9) Never Let Me Go
Mark Romanek’s direction was ridiculously self-effacing, but he coaxed the performances to match Alex Garland’s subtle screen imagining of Kazuo Ishiguro’s offbeat sci-fi novel, while the casting of child actors to match their adult equivalents was very impressive. Keira Knightley as the villainous Ruth outshone Carey Mulligan and Andrew Garfield as she invested the smallest role of the trio with great cruelty and then complexity. This was a heartbreaking slow-burner.
(8) Submarine
Richard Ayoade made his directorial debut from his own adaptation of the Welsh novel and impressed mightily. The comedy was superb, as you’d expect, whether it was the offbeat character moments, deflating jump cuts and preposterous slow-mos, or priceless cinematic in-jokes. What surprised was his assurance in handling drama, from depression to mortal illness and infidelity to suicide, with growing overtones of menace and a refreshing lack of predictability.
(7) Little White Lies
An incredibly Americanised French film, whether it was fun on a yacht being sound-tracked by Creedence or grand romantic gestures being accompanied by Antony and the Johnsons. Marion Cotillard & Co leave a comatose friend’s bedside for their annual holiday and comic madness involving weasels and crushes and endless dramas over love ensue. It’s over-long but mostly the Flaubertian lack of plot made time cease to matter for both the characters and the audience.
(5) The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
David Fincher’s version surpassed the Swedish original by reinstating more of the texture of Stieg Larsson’s book, creating a mystery rather than a thriller, in which the characters dominate the plot and are allowed to have complex emotional lives outside of cracking the cold case. The villain is marvellously drawn, and Fincher not only draws out maximum suspense from the story, but betters the Swedish version by both keeping the nastiest sequences and then also refusing to soften Lisbeth Salander. Rooney Mara and Daniel Craig are both pitch-perfect in the lead roles.
(5) Midnight in Paris
Woody Allen amazed by somehow delivering a fantastical romantic comedy with screamingly funny lines and a great high concept brilliantly developed. Allen granted Owen Wilson and Rachel MacAdams’ bickering engaged couple numerous hysterical scenes of utterly failing to connect, not least with her hilariously snooty parents. The recreation of the roaring Twenties Paris of America’s Lost Generation writers was positively inspired, most notably in its Hemingway who monologues in an abrupt monotone, and the film itself equally warm and wise.
(4) Take Shelter
This stunning film is both a Donnie Darko inflected tale of approaching apocalypse that only our hero has foreknowledge of but which sets his sanity on edge, and a terrifyingly realistic story of a man’s descent into a mental illness so subtle yet devastating that he can bankrupt his family by being plausible enough at the bank to secure loans to carry out construction to safeguard against an imaginary threat. Taut, terrifically ambiguous, and nightmarishly scary on several levels, this achieves such intensity that at its climax the simple act of Michael Shannon opening a storm shelter door becomes a moment of unbearable suspense and incredible emotional consequence.
(3) The Guard
John Michael McDonagh’s directorial debut was an impressively inventive profane farce which could be best described as Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call – Connemara. Brendan Gleeson seized with both Fassbendering hands the chance to play the world’s most demented Guard while Don Cheadle was an effective foil as the exasperated FBI Agent teaming up with him to bring down the preposterously philosophical drug-smugglers Liam Cunningham, David Wilmot and Mark Strong. Endlessly quotable and showcasing wonderful running gags, an unlikely action finale, and an ambiguous ending that poked fun at Hollywood resolutions this was the comedy of 2011.
(2) X-Men: First Class
Matthew Vaughn finally got to direct an X-Men movie and, with his co-writers, at last gave some substance to the friendship and enmity of Magneto and Professor X. Michael Fassbender’s rightly vengeful Nazi-hunter Erik complicated comic-book morality as much as Kick-Ass and added real weight to the tragedy of Mystique turning to his philosophy over the compassion personified by her mentor Xavier. Vaughn balanced this trauma with very funny montages of Erik and Xavier recruiting and training mutants for the CIA, but it was the casual tossing in of an enormous shock in the finale which exemplifed the supreme assuredness of this fine blockbuster.
(1) Incendies
This French-Canadian film unnerves from its opening shot, is always enthralling, and by the end has become quite simply devastating. A couple of Montreal siblings discover that their mother had unbeknownst to them lived a life of startling savagery in Lebanon’s 1980s civil war before emigrating. This is a merciless depiction of a vicious war where each side torches the other’s orphanages, burns women and children alive in buses, and recruits the other’s young boys as soldiers when not just shooting them in the head. The siblings uncover and come to terms with an extraordinary journey in search of vengeance, leading to the ultimate crime, and forgiveness…
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A Noteworthy Binge: Drop Dead Diva
Have you ever feared the after life? If so, stop right there. According to “Drop Dead Diva” there is no need to fear because once death reaches you, there is a way back as long as you soul continues to fight for life.
After a 24-year-old model named Deb dies in an unexpected car accident and is crushed under the weight of thousands of grapefruits, she is sent to “purgatory.” There, she meets an intake officer named Fred, whose job is to look over the deceased’s life and weigh the good and bad behavior to determine whether they are to reside in Heaven or Hell. Deb is a straight zero. Her life of shallow and self-entitled behavior never proved her worth as a person.
On the other side of town, Jane an elite lawyer comes out her office to find her entire law firm being held at gun point by her enraged husband. The reasoning: Parker (her boss) and Jane were sleeping together. After taking one step and tripping on someone’s purse she startles the man and he shoots her.
Deb, still in purgatory, proceeds to press the “return” button and because of Jane’s death, her soul is placed into Jane’s plus size body.
The show continues to follow the life of Deb living as Jane. “Drop Dead Diva” is about the struggle of lost love and soulmates, what it takes to move on and struggling with one’s self image.
Throughout the duration of the show, Deb becomes a persistent and strong-willed lawyer who will defend someone until she gets them out of their trouble. She always wins, and though her work life is perfect, no one but her best friend Stacey and guardian angel Fred knows who she really is. Everyday she must go into work and see her true love Grayson. The whole story is about her endless pining toward a man who can’t see her for anything but Jane.
If you love stories of empowerment and long-lost loves, this could be for you. Each character may find their life thrown into disarray after unforeseen circumstances, but don’t let the idea of dying throw this tale out of your queue. “Drop Dead Diva” is basically a modern day fairytale.
If you enjoy “Drop Dead Diva” some other shows of interest could be “Gossip Girl,” “Sex in the City,” “Desperate Housewives” and “Ugly Betty.”
Starring: Brooke Elliot, April Bowlby, Jackson Hurst, Kate Levering, Margaret Cho, Josh Stamberg, Lex Medlin and Ben Feldman.
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Bird Prints by Gracius J. Broinowski.
We offer here for sale a number of loose unframed prints from Gracius J. Broinowski’s THE BIRDS OF AUSTRALIA, lithographed in colours by S. T. Leigh & Co., Sydney, and published by C. Stuart, 1890-91. These prints were originally issued in a series of parts by subscription, each part containing approximately eight plates, and on completion the work was issued in six volumes, sometimes bound as three. We hasten to add that the prints offered here have NOT come from a set of volumes subsequently broken up by ourselves or others (a practice we deplore most strenuously). They have come from a number of odd parts, variously defective, worn or damaged, but the prints themselves are in good to very good condition, with however some minor staining, foxing or fraying, for the most part confined to the (extreme) margins only. When matted and framed, these minor defects will in most cases be entirely invisible and the prints will make attractive and decorative enhancements to any wall. The scans which follow are taken from the actual copies of the prints offered, and show any minor blemishes. In order to give some idea of how they might look when framed, we have masked the margins with a semi-transparent surround through which the marginal blemishes may be discerned. Any additional minor blemishes which may not be visible from the scans have been noted below. We have not taken any particular care to size or position the mask most advantageously and you are encouraged to examine the images closely to ascertain whether the prints can be suitably framed. The prints measure approximately 280 x 380 mm including margins but do vary slightly in size.
The prints are individually priced at top of each page and our stock number (#Bxxx) is given at the bottom. An order form with a listing of subjects, plate numbers and prices may be found here and the listing with links to individual prints is repeated at end.
#Number
#B117 Cormorant Vol. 1, Pl. 17 A$165.00
#B123 Petrel Vol. 1, Pl. 23 A$40.00
#B124 Petrels Vol. 1, Pl. 24 A$40.00
#B132 Albatross Vol. 1, Pl. 32 A$45.00
#B139 Noddy & Tern Vol. 1, Pl. 39 A$25.00
#B141 Terns Vol. 1, Pl. 41 A$25.00
#B150 Ducks Vol. 1, Pl. 50 A$50.00
#B203 Geese Vol. 2, Pl. 03 A$50.00
#B207 Water Crakes Vol. 2, Pl. 07 A$30.00
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3 edition of Oriental ceramics and works of art found in the catalog.
Oriental ceramics and works of art
Sotheby & Co. (London, England)
which will be sold by auction on Thursday 30th November, 1978 ... by Sotheby"s Belgravia.
by Sotheby & Co. (London, England)
Published 1978 by Sotheby"s Belgravia in London .
Sale catalogue.
Pagination 79p. :
Learn more about Eskenazi's expertise in ancient Chinese and Oriental art, sculpture and ceramics. Browse through exhibitions, catalogues and publications. By continuing to use this site you consent to the use of cookies on your device as described in our Cookie Policy unless you have disabled them. • Formerly in the collection of a gentleman, sold by Christie’s London in their auction of Important Chinese Ceramics and Works of Art, 4th June , no. , pp. 36/7, when it was purchased by Hugh Moss. • Published by S.T. Yeo and Jean Martin in Chinese Blue and White Ceramics, p. 84, fig. • Formerly in the Meiyintang Collection. Netsuke of a man holding a book, 19th c. A6WD. 3d 22h. New York, NY, US. US. Show bids Estimate. USD. To the auction. About the item. Follow Oriental ceramics & Works of art. You will receive email notifications for new items in this category! View all items in Oriental ceramics & Works of art;.
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Oriental Ceramics and Works of Art, London, Ap Author: Sotheby's. Since then he has operated from a discrete 1st floor premises just four doors from Sotheby's in the heart of London's Mayfair, specialising in early Chinese pottery, bronzes and later Chinese works of art of all kinds, from porcelain to paintings.
Oriental Ceramics and Works of Art. 25 November, by Christie's Staff and a great selection of related books, art and collectibles available now at For a Wanli Mark and Period Dish of this Size and Pattern From the Riesco Collection that was Exhibited at the O.C.S.
Exhibition of Chinese Blue and White Porcelain, 14th to 19th Centuries (, Catalogue Number ) See: Sotheby’s Fine Chinese Ceramics, Bronzes and Works of Art, London, 11th December The beauty and liveliness of the pots’ paintings, along with the evolving shapes of the pots, stands out and makes these years a most significant period the art history of China.
In the Shunzhi era, more than any other time in the last years of Chinese porcelain, there was a strong emphasis on individual works of art, each one unique.
Chinese and Japanese Ceramics and Works of Art (catalogue for March 4, SaleVol. 2) by Sotheby Parke Bernet Inc. and a great selection of related. ORIENTAL CERAMIC ART: Illustrated by examples from the collection of W.T. Walters Author Bushell, S.W. (text and notes) Format/binding Hardcover Book condition Used - Good Jacket condition Dust Jacket Included Binding Hardcover ISBN 10 X ISBN 13 Publisher Crown Publishers, Inc., New York Place of Publication New York Date.
CATALOGUE OF ORIENTAL CERAMICS AND WORKS OF ART ETC. CHESTER Cambridge Rare Books. ISBN: Title: CATALOGUE OF ORIENTAL CERAMICS AND WORKS OF ART R Authors: SOTHEBYS. Binding: Paperback Publisher: Sothebys Publish Date: Condition: VERY GOOD SKU: Details: Rating: % positive.
complete run from toincluding the Loan Exhibition of Chinese Blue and White Porcelain; 14th to 19th Centuries, ; the Loan Exhibition of Japanese Porcelain, ; the Loan Exhibition of the Animal in Chinese Art, ; The History of Ming Porcelain, by John Alexander Pope, ; and Chinese Export Art in Schloss Ambras, by Sir Harry Garner; 78 publications in total Quantity: An exhibition of early oriental works of art: June by Bluett & Sons (Book) Later Chinese ceramics from the collection of Mr & Mrs Eugene Bernat: exhibition, Thursday 25th April - Friday 10th May,Bluett & Sons ltd by Bluett & Sons (Book).
The origins of kintsugi are uncertain, but it’s likely that the practice became commonplace in Japan during the late 16th or early 17th centuries, noted Louise Cort, curator of ceramics at the Smithsonian’s Freer Gallery of Art and Arthur M.
Sackler Gallery in Washington, D.C. Its beginnings are often associated with the famed tale of a 15th-century Japanese military ruler whose antique. ABOUT US THE ORIENTAL CERAMIC SOCIETY. The Oriental Ceramic Society provides academic and introductory lectures on all aspects of Asian art, in particular on Chinese ceramics, jades, paintings and Middle Eastern art.
It offers handling sessions of items from the main London museums, such as the British Museum, Sir Percival David Collection, and Victoria and Albert Museum, as well as members.
Bid online, view images and see past prices for Session Three: Oriental Ceramics and Works of Art. Invaluable is the world's largest marketplace of items at auction, live and online. Oriental Ceramics and Works of Art Property of a Collector The Late Lady Ina Oppenheimer Blue Bird Farm Collection Property of Kangra Group (Pty) Ltd.
Assembled. Antique Chinese ceramics and Works of Art. Anthony Gray: Chinese Reign Marks Cyril Beecher: Stories On A Plate (Cyril Beecher is an independent researcher and a member of the Oriental Ceramics Society.
He is a very well-known collector of 17th century Chinese blue and white porcelain who originally was an environmental scientist. You searched for: oriental ceramics. Etsy is the home to thousands of handmade, vintage, and one-of-a-kind products and gifts related to your search.
No matter what you’re looking for or where you are in the world, our global marketplace of sellers can help you find unique and affordable options. Let’s get started. Offering artefacts dating to the Neolithic era through to Republic Period porcelain, Christie’s sales of Chinese ceramics and works of art showcase centuries of Chinese history.
Held throughout the year in London, New York, Paris and Hong Kong, they attract a wide audience of collectors and connoisseurs vying for pieces as diverse as archaic.
the sale will be conducted in the following order. tuesday december 2, from 10 am oriental ceramics and works of art 1– wednesday december 3, from 1 pm swedish art –b prints, the.
Oriental Ceramics & Works of Art on. Saturday 18th May at pm. preceded by Persian & European Carpets, Rugs and Textiles and Antique & Objects Saturday 21st Furniture June at a.m.
Oriental Art. likes 3 talking about this. Oriental Art is a journal dedicated to Asian art studies and research. In its New Series sinceit is published quarterly and is available by Followers: Oriental Ceramics, Bronze Belthooks and other Works of Art - LONDON - December 8, by CHRISTIE, MANSON & WOODS Book condition: GOOD Book Description London Catalogue of Fine Chinese, Japanese and Korean Ceramics, Chinese Bronze Belthooks and.
Jewelry, silver, watches, art nouveau & art deco, oriental works of art, European ceramics, furniture and decorations, rugs & carpets, American paintings and 19th & 20th century prints: [exhibition catalogue] by Sotheby Parke BernetPages: Jewelry, silver, watches, art nouveau & art deco, oriental works of art, European ceramics, furniture and decorations, rugs & carpets, American paintings and 19th & 20th century prints by Sotheby Parke Bernet,Sotheby Parke Bernet edition, in English.
- Oriental Ceramics – 30 lots- Snuff Bottles – 9 lots- Netsuke – 29 lots- Works of Art including Japanese and Chinese Carved Ivory Figures, Jade carvings, Lacquer - 82 lots- Japanese Ceramics – 20 lots A Must for any Oriental Art and Antiques Dealer or Collector.
Very Good Rating: % positive. Appraisal and Auction Services. Expert Asian art appraisers at Skinner keep a finger on the pulse of the vibrant Asian art market. With a vast international audience of collectors, dealers, and curators attending each auction in person, online, and on the phone, the Asian Works of Art Department routinely realizes highly competitive prices for Chinese paintings, fine jade, and Chinese furniture.
A small Tang white porcelain flask of very similar form with plain sides in the Palace Museum, Beijing, is illustrated in Gugong Bowuyuan Cang Wenwu Zhenpin Quanji: Jin Tang Ciqi (The Complete Collection of Treasures of the Palace Museum: Porcelain of the Jin and Tang Dynasties), Vol.
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London's sale of Fine Chinese Ceramics & Works of Art brought a total of £7, against a pre-sale estimate of £ - million. The leading lot was this fine pair of white jade bowls from the collection of Kenneth Dingwall DSO, one of the founding members of the Oriental Ceramic Society in London, which sold for £, over 3 times.
In art history, the term Orientalism refers to the works of the Western artists who specialized in Oriental subjects, produced from their travels in Western Asia, during the 19th century.
In that time, artists and scholars were described as Orientalists, especially in France, where the dismissive use of the term “Orientalist” was made popular by the art critic Jules-Antoine Castagnary.
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Provenance: Frank Caro (inkstamp). -- YOKOGAWA, Tamasuke. Illustrated Catalogue of Old Oriental Ceramics Donated by Mr. Yokogawa. The Oriental Museum is the Asian art, antiquities, and material culture museum of the University of Durham.
It was opened into house and display a remarkable collection, of world renown, covering the entire range of human history and prehistory from the civilisations and cultures of Asia, Egypt, Islamic North Africa, the Near, and Mid-East.
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She has published over 30 papers, as well as numerous books, including “Chinese Art and Antiques”, “Authentication of Antique Porcelain”, “History of Chinese Painted Porcelain”, “Porcelain from Yuan Dynasty”, “Collection of Early. Oriental Ceramic Society of London Transactions of the Oriental Ceramic Society London, Now an annual publication, it includes many valuable scholarly papers on almost every aspect of Chinese ceramics and art generally.
Reduced prices for members of the Society, but individual numbers available from Philip Wilson Publishers. Pope, J.A. Art - Wide selection of Room Dividers, Shoji Screens, Oriental and Asian Home Furnishings, Chinese Lamps and accessories at warehouse prices.
Art from Oriental Furniture david baker oriental art SOLD the exterior painted with two dragons striding among clouds, the interior decorated with a dragon within double circles, the base inscribed with a six-character mark of Jiaqing. Selection of Antiques, Decorative Art, Regional Art for sale by david baker oriental art.
View My Cart. View Homepage. Decorative Art (7) Ceramics, Religious Artifacts. Regional Art () African, Americas, Asian, Oceanic. Full Catalog Guest Book Show Schedule. Showing 19 - 36 of Decorative Art: Ceramics: Pre AD item # Type: BOOK - Published: - Publisher: Oxford University Press, USA Get Books Provides over articles that deal with materials and techniques in art from ancient times to the present, including such media as ceramics, sculpture, metalwork, painting, works on paper, textiles, video, and computer art.
The history of Asian art or Eastern art, includes a vast range of influences from various cultures and pments in Asian art historically parallel those in Western art, in general a few centuries earlier. Chinese art, Indian art, Korean art, Japanese art, each had significant influence on Western art, and, vice versa.
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ROORKEE: A number of residents are enraged at officials of Indian Institute of Technology Roorkee (IIT-R) for “posing unnecessary restrictions” on people from outside the campus attending yoga sessions which were held in the Yoga Bhawan inside the campus for many years.A nominal fee of Rs 200 was earlier charged for the yoga sessions but it has now suddenly been increased to Rs 3,000 per month.Locals, especially ladies, who regularly attended the session say that at a time when practice of yoga is picking up across the country and the Modi government is also promoting it, the attitude of IIT officials in increasing the fees of the sessions was totally unjustified.
In a circular issued on June 30, the institute instructed its sports staff to collect revised fee from outsiders for using the facilities.
“I used to go to Saraswati Mandir for a yoga session. Now, they are demanding Rs 3,000 per month. I can’t pay this much. When I expressed my inability to pay this much amount, the authorities simply shut doors on me,” said 45-year-old Anju Saini.
On the other hand, the authorities believe that the infrastructure of the institute should only be used by institute’s students, faculty and staff.
But, the town’s civil administration does not have the same opinion about the outsiders. “The institute is a part of local municipal system and a municipal councilor is elected from the ward of institute then how can authorities address us as an outsider?”Municipal councilor Sushil Yadav said.When TOI told the authorities about the situation of outsiders they said they’ll reconsider the proposed changes. “We will surely reconsider and solve the problem of outsiders in feasible manner soon,” said Professor D K Nauriyal, dean of students’ welfare.
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Changes in I-9 Protocol
First and foremost, it’s extremely important to note that an employee must complete Section 1 of Form I-9 by the end of their first day of employment—there is no change to this requirement. Likewise, if an employee is physically at the place of employment, there are no changes to the requirement for Section 2—it must be completed within three days of the employee’s hire date.
However, employers with remote workplaces may inspect the work authorizations necessary for the completion of Section 2 through video link, fax, email, or another format. When completing Section 2 remotely, it still needs to be completed within the same three-day period following the date of hire and the employer is required to retain copies of the Section 2 documentation. When completing Section 2 remotely, employers must enter “COVID-19” in the Additional Information section.
A physical inspection of the documents is still required and it’s imperative this is done within three days when business returns to normal operation. At that time, the date the physical inspection is made must get recorded in the Additional Information field—the DHS suggests marking “documents physically examined.” Additionally, the date of the original inspection of the documentation and the initials of the person who performed it should be present in the Additional Information section.
Other I-9 Items
Many of the “relaxed” regulations of Section 2 also apply to Section 3, Reverification and Rehires. According to the “relaxed” regulations, if an employee presents an expired document, but the document’s expiration has been extended, this would qualify as a List B document. For example, an expired driver’s license is an acceptable List B document, provided its expiration date was extended by the issuing state. If an employer encounters this situation, they’re advised to attach a copy of the rule that allows this.
GoffWilson and I-9
GoffWilson is a leader in Form I-9 training and compliance and has been assisting businesses to remain in compliance for decades. During these ever-changing and uncertain times, we’re committed to being a resource for our business community. If you have any questions about what the current changes to I-9 protocol mean for you or your business, contact GoffWilson today. We will schedule our next I-9 training seminar as soon as we can, hopefully later this summer. Check back with us for any updates on that!
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Bronte Law passes Solheim Cup audition at Women's British Open
Brian Spurlock-USA TODAY Sports
By Alistair Tait August 1, 2019 2:28 pm
By Alistair Tait | August 1, 2019 2:28 pm
WOBURN, England – Bronte Law successfully passed her Solheim Cup audition in the opening round of the $4.1 million AIG Women’s British Open at Woburn.
Law is bidding for a debut appearance in the biennial match at Gleneagles, Scotland next month. She couldn’t have asked for a better platform on which to present her credentials after being drawn with European captain Catriona Matthew and redoubtable U.S. Solheim star Cristie Kerr.
Law beat both of them. She returned a 2-under-par 70 to Matthew’s 73 and Kerr’s 75. Good going considering the former UCLA student might have felt a little pressure after Matthew teased her as they were walking to the first tee.
Matthew said: “I told her ‘You better play well!’ …. And she did.”
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The 22-year-old English woman cannot qualify for the European team because she’s not played enough qualifying events. She’s rely on one of Matthew’s four captain’s pick. After her opening effort at Woburn, she seems certain to suit up in European colors next month, even if she’s trying to push the match to the back of her mind.
“Catriona is a great friend, so I didn’t think of it any differently,” Law said. “I just tried to go out there and play my game. It’s a major, so the goal is to win the major as opposed to really worry about what she’s thinking or anything like that.
“It’s a game. I play it every week and you can’t let stuff like that affect you. You just go out and play the same way you usually do and put those emotions to the side.”
Law would’ve made more of an impression by holing a few more putts. She was bogey free, but could have gone lower if the shortest club in the bag had behaved better.
“I’m just pleased with how solid I played. I could have done with holing a couple more putts here and there, but it’s day one so hopefully I can ramp it up over the next couple of days.”
Kerr is currently outside the automatic spots for the U.S. team. She might need to rely on one of Julie Inkster’s two captain’s picks if she is to make her 10th appearance.
After the opening round of the final major of the year, Law has a far better chance of making her Solheim debut than Kerr does of reaching double figure appearances.
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Photo © Sam Stukel
Purchase License
Hunt & Fish Licenses
Park Entrance License
Draw Statistics
Leftover Licenses
License Types & Costs
Preference Points
Purchase or apply for or simply view your license here.
Application and Group Requirements
Some season applications may have additional requirements that are presented on the application.
Applications not properly filled out will be returned.
You may submit only one application per season for the first drawing and receive no more than one license. See application for rules allowing additional licenses.
Applicants applying for differently priced licenses as first and second choice must include the higher fee. You will receive a partial refund if you draw the lower-priced license.
Applicants wishing to receive a preference point for seasons in which they are unsuccessful in their first choice, must include appropriate preference point fee.
Licenses may not be transferred to another person
To apply for a resident license a person must:
Have a domicile within South Dakota for at least 90 consecutive days immediately preceding the date of application for, purchasing, or attempting to purchase any hunting, fishing, or trapping license/permit. A domicile is a person’s established, fixed, and permanent home to which the person, whenever absent, has the present intention of returning, and
Make no claim of residency in any other state or foreign country for any purpose, and
Claim no resident hunting, fishing, or trapping privileges in any other state or foreign country, and
Prior to any application for any license, transfer to SD the person’s driver’s license and motor vehicle registrations application for any license, transfer to SD the person's driver's license and motor vehicle registrations.
Execptions, the following persons are eligible for resident licenses:
Any person who previously had a domicile in SD who is absent due to business of the United States or SD, or is serving in the armed forces of the US, or the spouse of an active duty military person;
Any person who previously had a domicile in SD who is absent due to the person's regular attendance at a post-high school institution as a fulltime student;
Any person in the active military of the US or that person's spouse who is continuously stationed in SD;
Any person who is a patient in any war veterans' hospital within SD;
Any person who is an employee of the veterans' administration or any veterans' hospital in SD;
Any person residing on restricted military reservations in SD;
Any person attending regularly a post-high school institution in SD as a full-time student for 30 days or more immediately preceding the application;
Any foreign exchange student over 16 years of age attending a public or private high school who has resided in the state for 30 days or more preceding the application;
Any foreign exchange student who is between the ages of 12 and 16 who has completed the GFP course of instruction in the safe handling of firearms and has been issued a certificate of competency upon completion of instruction and who has resided in SD for 30 days or more preceding application for a license;
Any person who is a minor dependent of a resident of SD
Termination of Residency
A person (other than a person who fits into one of the previous exceptions) is deemed to have terminated their South Dakota resident hunting, fishing, and trapping status if the person does any of the following:
Applies for, purchases, or accepts a resident hunting, fishing, or trapping license issued by another state or foreign country;
Registers to vote in another state or foreign country;
Accepts a driver's license issued by another state or foreign country; or
Moves to any other state or foreign country and makes it the person's domicile or makes any claim of residency for any purpose in the other state or foreign country.
However, a person who has lawfully acquired a resident hunting, fishing, or trapping license and who leaves the state after acquiring the license to take up residency elsewhere may continue to exercise all the privileges granted by the license until the license expires if the person's respective privileges are not revoked or suspended.
If you would like to apply for a limited issue license with a group of people, you may do that on the "Join Group" page. Either all of the group members will draw a tag or none of them will. No more than six applicants may be submitted in the same group. All members of the group will be given the lowest amount of preference points represented in the group.
To create a group:
The individual submitting the initial application will be provided a group number after the application is submitted. This group number will appear on the confirmation receipt that may be printed. It also appears in the confirmation email sent to the applicant and is also available by selecting "View My Applications" from the main menu.
An applicant allows additional hunters to join the group by providing the group number to them.
Group Applications with matching first and second choices, submitted in the same group, will be treated as a group application. All applicants will either be successful or unsuccessful in the drawings.
Applications submitted in the same group with first or second choices that do not match will be treated as individual applications in the drawings, not as a group application.
No more than six applications may be submitted in the same group.
An incomplete application voids all other applications in the group.
Applicants with preference points should be aware when applying with applicants with fewer preference points: Doing so gives all applicants the lowest point represented in the group.
Residents and nonresidents may apply together in the same group. Either all in the group will be drawn together or all will be rejected. Residents must submit the resident fee and nonresidents must submit the nonresident fee. This is valid only in seasons and units where both resident and nonresident licenses are available for a specific drawing. It should be noted that in most instances, residents who apply with nonresidents will have a diminished chance of drawing a first-choice license.
The last four digits of your Social Security Number are required. The Social Security Number information is required from all U.S. residents before this application will be processed [SDCL 25-7A-56.2]. This information will be kept confidential. The information is required to be in compliance with state law on collection of delinquent child support payments.
South Dakota law prohibits the issuance or renewal of any hunting or fishing license if an individual owes $1,000 or more in past-due child support unless the individual enters into a repayment agreement with the Dept. of Social Services for payment of the delinquent child support [SDCL 25-7A-56; 25-7A-1(28)]. There is a requirement to enter into a repayment agreement with the Dept. of Social Services even if the individual is presently making child support payments, or if child support is being withheld from wages or income. To enter into the required repayment agreement, individuals must contact the Dept. of Social Services - Office of Child Support Enforcement, 700 Governor's Drive - Kneip Building, Pierre SD 57501, or call 605.773.6456.
Residents and nonresidents must be 12 years old by Dec. 31 to hunt.
Residents under age 16 must successfully complete a HuntSAFE course.
Nonresidents under age 16 must include the certificate number from their hunter safety card, or a current or previous hunting license issued to them from any state.
Residents and nonresidents who have not completed the HuntSAFE course at the time of application must use a paper application and leave that information blank on the application form. If drawn, their license will be held until the GFP License Office is notified of the HuntSAFE card number once the course has been successfully completed.
Information on the "Mentored Hunt" program is found in a separate application form.
Resident Landowner Preference
Half the resident permits for this season are set aside in the first drawing for residents who qualify for landowner preference.
To be eligible for landowner preference, a landowner or tenant must operate at least 160 acres of private land within the unit applied for as first choice.
"Operate" means: to lease or hold fee title to farm or ranch real property and be directly involved in the management decisions made for agricultural purposes on the farm or ranch.
"Agricultural purposes" includes the producing, raising, growing, or harvesting of food or fiber upon agricultural land, including dairy products, livestock, crops, timber, and grasslands.
Land leased solely for hunting, fishing or trapping does not qualify for landowner preference.
A landowner or tenant, but not both, may claim landowner preference for the same qualifying property.
Immediate family members are eligible, and include the applicant's spouse and the applicant's children residing with the applicant or on land owned or leased by the resident farmer or rancher.
Employment on a farm or ranch alone does not qualify an individual for landowner preference.
Shareholders of a corporation, members of a limited liability company holding a membership interest in the company, partners in a partnership, and beneficiaries of a trust entitled to the current income and assets held in trust; all organized and in good standing under the laws of South Dakota are eligible for landowner preference if:
The entity holds title to 160 acres or more of private land located within the hunting unit applied for;
The shareholder, member, partner, or trust beneficiary applying for landowner preference is a resident; and
The shareholder, member, partner, or trust beneficiary has responsibility for making the day-to-day management decisions for agricultural purposes on the farm or ranch.
Nonresident landowners do not qualify for this preference.
Submitting Fees
You must submit the appropriate license fee to cover the cost of each season applied for on this multiple application form as well as any preference point fees. One check may be written to cover the cost of all seasons you apply for on this form. We recommend the fee be sent in the form of a personal check, but a cashier's check, money order or cash will be accepted. Cash is not recommended. Make checks payable to "South Dakota Game, Fish and Parks." Payment for applications submitted online must be made with a valid credit card (Visa, MasterCard, American Express). Your credit card will not be charged until you are either, 1) successful in the drawing, or 2) unsuccessful in the drawing but elected to receive a preference point.
Nonpayment in the form of a cancelled credit card will result in your license being withheld and the blocking of any future license purchases until the unpaid fee, along with any penalties, is paid in full. A bad check will either void the license if the draw has not yet occurred; or if the drawing has been completed, it will result in the blocking of any future license purchases until the unpaid fee, along with any back check fees and penalties are paid in full.
Unsuccessful applicants will receive a refund check from the State of South Dakota if they applied by paper application. Each member of a group who applied together will receive a separate refund. Members of a group who sent one check will be responsible for reimbursement among themselves. Those who applied online using a credit card will be charged only if they are successful in the drawing. Those unsuccessful will not be charged and there will be no refund required.
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UK 4G market opens up as O2 sets launch date for end of August
David Meyer Aug 1, 2013 - 12:33 AM CDT
Telefonica’s(s tef) O2 UK has finally given details, including the launch date, for its 4G services. This means we now have our first real idea of the competition that EE – until now the only mainstream 4G provider in the UK – will face.
EE’s monopoly since October 2012 was based on the fact that regulators let it reuse or “refarm” some of its existing 2G spectrum, specifically spectrum in the 1800MHz band, for 4G purposes. O2, on the other hand, had to wait for January’s spectrum auction to pick up airwaves in the 800MHz band that it could use for LTE services. The 800MHz band, which was previously used for digital TV and wireless microphones, was declared cleared this week, and on Thursday O2 said it would launch its 4G offering on 29 August.
O2’s rollout will begin in the three cities of London, Leeds and Bradford, before spreading to 10 more cities by the end of this year. By contrast, EE’s 4G is already active at “double speed” (around 30Mbps in practice) in 15 cities, and at normal speed in 95 towns and cities. That said, 800MHz spectrum (of which EE has also bought a chunk) is better than 1800MHz spectrum at supporting services that penetrate into buildings and over long distances.
Ultimately, both carriers aim to provide LTE coverage to 98 percent of the UK population.
According to O2 chief Ronan Dunne:
“It’s great that I am able to announce O2 4G the day after the spectrum has been cleared for use. Digital connectivity will be made ubiquitous by 4G and become the oxygen of modern life.”
O2 could certainly use the extra capacity that it’s about to turn on, as the carrier said data usage on its network has doubled in the last year.
As for price, O2 said its plans would start at £26 ($39) per month. The cheapest non-4G tariff on O2 is £11 per month. EE’s cheapest 4G tariff costs £21 per month, but that’s a SIM-only affair and we still don’t know the details of O2’s cheapest offering in order to compare the two. EE’s £21 deal, it should be noted, only comes with 500MB of monthly data – a bit of a joke when your connection is that zippy.
We’re still waiting to hear about Vodafone(s vod)’s pricing, but Three – the upstart fourth player – has already suggested that it won’t charge a premium for 4G speeds, theoretically meaning LTE prices starting at £15 per month. Both of these carriers will also launch their LTE services by year’s end and, seeing as Vodafone has a network-sharing deal with O2 to cut down on infrastructure costs, it’s a fair guess that its announcement won’t be far off.
2 Responses to “UK 4G market opens up as O2 sets launch date for end of August”
David Mytton August 1, 2013
It’s good to start seeing competition in the 4G space but the pricing is still insane. There’s no point having such fast access if you can hit the cap so quickly, which you will do with 500Mb. Hopefully we’ll see price competition as the other networks launch their services. But it may require the EU to regulate to get prices down even further, like they have done with roaming.
In contrast you can get unlimited (7GB cap) 4G LTE for iPhone 5 in Japan for around £36/m (Softbank).
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