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Hu Jintao Urges Closer Ties with Taiwan 今天我们为什么要纪念毛泽东? ——因为我们需要一个不同的世界!
The Mystical Gaza Chinese Rocket
Written by guest on Thursday, January 1st, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Filed under:-guest-posts, -mini-posts | Tags:China, Israel, rocket
While it is widely reported that Hamas have fired 122mm Grad rockets into Israel, an upgrade from the Qassam, few media have gone further and stated that the new rockets were Chinese-made.
Simple Google searches seem to suggest the reason very few media outlets have made the Chinese connection is because this is somewhat dubious:
– According to Wikipedia the Soviet designed Grad rockts have been profliferated to over 50 counntries, with over a dozon countries manufacturing them.
– None of China’s 122mm Grad rockets were ever exported according to SinoDefense.com: 1) Type 81-90 rockets were never successfuly exported and was decommissioned in the 1990’s; 2) Closest spec’ed WS rocket, WS-1E, never entered production.
So it is a mystery how did Hamas ever get their hands on supposed Chinese-made rocked when it doesn’t exist.
There are currently 3 comments highlighted: 24516, 24582, 24897.
55 Responses to “The Mystical Gaza Chinese Rocket”
January 1st, 2009 at 11:46 pm
The AP and Jerusalem Post reports both say that Israeli defence officials are making the claim. It is therefore not the media outlets themselves who are making the claim, but Israeli officials – this is quite a difference. As to their reasons for doing so, all I have is conjecture:
1) Israeli officers famously labelled a Japanese sponsored farm “Chinese farm”, because they could not tell the difference between Japanese and Chinese writing. It could well be that a similar mistake between Chinese and North Korean markings has taken place.
2) We have no knowledge of the degree to which Chinese weapons are sold to North Korea or Iran, nor can any source authoritatively tell us. Apologies to Sinodefence, but these things are state secrets in China, the government announces them some of the time, but we do not know if it does so all of the time. I cannot believe that China would directly support Hamas, an islamist movement, but they do sell weapons to Iran, and Iran does support Hamas. North Korea do not care who they sell weapons to, and even if the Chinese sought to prevent the North Koreans selling Chinese weapons, they could not entirely prevent them from doing so.
3) The rockets could be cheap copies, the Grad system is exceedingly basic, and a simple household toolshop might suffice, given the correct materials, to manufacture Grad rockets in small amounts. If copied from Chinese designs, perhaps using an original mould, they would bear the original markings.
4) Large shipments of weapons were sent overseas by China during the sixties and seventies to support various regimes and revolutionary movements, these continue to turn up in the strangest places. However, since the earliest Chinese models of the Grad system appear to have been copied from a system captured from the Vietnamese in 1979 this seems to be dubious, but Grad was not the first multiple rocket launching system, so perhaps they have mistaken Katyusha rockets for Grad.
5) ‘Chinese’ AKs and RPGs are widely available for purchase in Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia as well as other war zones. These weapons usually sell for half the price of Russian-manufactured weapons, as these are seen as more reliable. Nobody knows when (or really, where) these weapons were made, the people who buy and sell these things may well just be saying ‘Chinese’ when the weapons actually came from Vietnam, North Korea, Cambodia or where ever. Or they may actually be Chinese. They may even be of local manufacture, made using Chinese moulds, or simply moulds with an Asian language which they cannot recognise. It would not be that strange if Grad rockets were sold by people similar to those selling ‘Chinese’ small arms.
6) Corrupt PLA officers may have sold the weapons, this is not nearly as an unlikely as it should be.
7) Grad rockets may have been found alongside Chinese-made Katyushas.
8 ) Disinformation on the part of Hamas.
9) Disinformation on the part of the Israelis.
On the wider question of whole point of this conflict, all I can say is that as someone sympathetic to the Israelis and their plight as a sole democratic society surrounded by militaristic dictatorships. I know Israelis, have Israeli friends, but I have never even met a Palestinian, let alone spoken to one, but even I think that bombing buildings with hundreds of innocent men, women, and children in them to kill a single Hamas official is no way for any country that wishes to be known as ‘civilised’ to behave. Such a bombardment might be excusable if it led to an end to Hamas attacks on Israel and thus save innocent Israeli lives, but we all know that it will not. Andrew Sullivan’s blog has a good summing up of blog reactions to the airstrikes, here are two quotes which he carried that I thought particularly good:
(Freddie DeBoer)
I know this with a certainty that I feel in my heart and my bones: if you support this assault, and justify its collateral damage, but will not come out and state the actual logical conclusion of what you are saying– that you justify the killing of innocent Palestinian children– then you are an intellectual coward, in the most damning and complete sense. If you justify the attack and its collateral damage you justify the consequences. So all of you, have the courage to stand for what you mean. Have the basic integrity to stand behind what you are saying. Look me in my face, so to speak, and tell me about the justice of another dead Palestinian child.
(Dion Nissenbaum)
Reporters from every major news organization, from the BBC and CNN to The New York Times and The Washington Post to NPR and McClatchy to AP and Fox News, are being barred by Israel from going into Gaza to cover the deadliest military campaign there since Israel seized the area from Egypt in the 1967 war.
The Foreign Press Association, of which McClatchy is a part, has called the Israeli closure “insufferable” and asked the Israeli Supreme Court to take immediate action to lift the ban.
The second quote demonstrates a feature of abuses against human rights that has become all too familiar.
January 2nd, 2009 at 9:41 am
It dosen’t mean anything if there are Chinese rockets and FOARP has explained well.
Everyone knows there are US and Israel made bullets and machine guns on the hands of Palestinian gun men.
January 2nd, 2009 at 10:16 am
I am glad to see those rights activists of protesting the murdering IDF but I also wish to see they could protest in front of Hamas HQ after a packed bus or restaurant got blew up.
Yeah, I heard in the news that these rockets are Chinese made. They have no proof that it actually come from China and they never claimed that China has sold these rockets directly. Compared to the smart bombs that the Israeli’s use, the bombs that Hamas use are relatively low tech.
@ pug_ster: Does Israel really use smart bombs? I was wondering about that when I read the news releases. I didn’t know how restricted that technology was…
Old Tales Retold Says:
@ BMY,
I agree that the murder of civilians should be condemned in any context. But it is inaccurate to imply that human rights groups haven’t ever criticized Palestinian groups (though protesting outside the offices of Hamas or Islamic Jihad is difficult when Israel denies to visas to activists!).
Human Rights Watch, for example, received considerable criticism itself in 2006 when it condemned the use of Palestinian civilians to protect the intended target of an Israeli attack (see http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6150.shtml). HRW had to backtrack slightly in that instance—rightly, as far as I’m concerned. Amnesty International also famously denounced Palestinian suicide bombings as “crimes against humanity” (see http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/amnesty-denounces-palestinian-suicide-bombings-as-crimes-against-humanity-648051.html).
Perhaps activists have focused more on Israel than on Palestine because the human rights community is more comfortable targeting state actors rather than non-state actors, as the responsibilities of states are clearer than the responsibilities of rebels under international law and because human rights groups are simply more comfortable running letter writing campaigns, etc. against high-profile officials. But I think the main reason for HRW or Amnesty’s heightened criticism of Israel is the most obvious one: Israel is the main offender in the conflict.
As in other occupations—France in Algeria or Vietnam, the U.S. in Iraq, Britain in Kenya and elsewhere, India in Kashmir, Turkey in Kurdistan, and, to some degree, China in Tibet—resistance to the occupation can sometimes turn ugly. But the occupier maintains a constant, low level of coercion that far outweighs the violence of the occupied. And the moral burden, I believe, is always on the occupier first and foremost.
If you take a snapshot of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict at any moment, the Palestinian death toll is always higher than the Israeli death toll, whether counted in total or narrowly focused on civilians.
vmoore55 Says:
China has made rockets for thousands of years and if anyone can’t make one now a days than they don’t have a good edumacation.
But China does make really good fake and cheap rockets, just point and fire away.
facts Says:
To a layman in the West or anywhere outside China, all he/she knows is that somewhat China is involved in the killings. That’s the message, anywhere there is killing, the evil China is involved. That’s Western propaganda at best, Is the West implicated in the killings of civilians? Look China is again involved too. Any where there is a conflict, China’s role should be mentioned in the Western media. China is associated with anything evil. That’s the art of spinning day in and day out, Wheather it’s based on facts is not important, important is to mention the name China, Hack there could even be a correction at some point buried in the 10th page to show how unbiased the Western media are, but outside general public, who would even know the correction exists, only those intented to defend the fairness of free press.
hainan88 Says:
facts u r right, western media just try 2 demonize china but without effect… in 18th century with opium war ,now with so-called “freedom of the press” and “democracy”, their methods are endless, they will not stop at total splitting of our mother country…
Zhonguo jiayou! don’t be too cnn
every day just lies lies lies from western media. if we love our country we must stop this deluge… western governments just allow this because it servers their interest… otherwise the free tibet suckers would all be in guantanomo haha!!
Old Tales Retold (western lies retold??): u say that american human rights watch also criticize palestian organization, but why not criticize israel? is it because it receives grants from us and is greatest “democracy” and “human rights” watcher? your links are trash for western “human right” flunkies who just follow your government and western media propaganda…
tibet was liberated by china and has always been part of our country. only western propaganda talks about “occupation”. why not try to clean up your own nazi past and stop whining about chinese politics??
January 5th, 2009 at 10:51 am
@OTR,
Thanks for your comment and the links. I don’t take side. It might be just there were not much reprots on the media of avtivists criticizing Palestinian groups and also the reason you explained so I didn’t see many protests of Palestinian groups.
Eason Says:
I don’t think Chinese government is so naive to support Hamas, because China will not be benefited from this behavior. And most of Chinese people endorse the invasion of Israel in Gaza, though it will inevitably hurt civilian in this area.
Hamas is a terrorism group. So appeal to cease fire is the only thing that chinese government may do.
Great to see the Anti-CNN crew riffing on this. One problem: it’s the Israeli government that made the claim, not the newsmedia. Another problem: your all barmy. No western crticism of Israel? You guys really do need your heads examining, because the newspapers and television have been full of it 24/7 here in the UK. A Times editorial labelled the attacks “stupid” and “wrong”, the Guardian also ran critical editorials, Channel 4 news ran a 15 minute long segment on a Palestinian boy who was killed by an Israeli missile and then questioned a member of the Israeli government over and over about his death (which the guy claimed not know anything about). All foreign media has criticised the Israeli government from the start for refusing them access to the Gaza strip – just like China’s Communist government refused foreign journalists access to Tibet. The organisations that are often labelled western puppets have all been critical of the Israeli attacks. Here’s what Amnesty UK had to say:
“AIUK has called on the UK Government to stress to the Israeli Government to bear in mind that there are no ‘safe’ places in Gaza for civilians to seek shelter. They know how densely populated the Jabalia Refugee Camp is and that the homes are mostly light structures with flimsy asbestos roofs and not able to withstand the effect of strikes. Strikes are virtually sure to kill and injure civilians and we have made it clear that it’s important the UK Government stresses this and urge the Israeli Government that they must not carry out attacks which pose a disproportionate risk to civilians. “
Here Reporters Without Borders:
“Reporters Without Borders condemned the bombing of Al-Aqsa TV as a “flagrant violation of humanitarian law” in a letter today to Israeli defence minister Ehud Barak. “The television station’s use as a propaganda outlet by Hamas does not make it a legitimate military target,” the letter said.
“If the State of Israel openly legitimises military attacks on news media, even propaganda media, this should be clearly and officially expressed and established by the civilian authorities so that everyone knows that they dispute that international humanitarian law applies to the conflicts in which they are involved,” the letter added.
Reporters Without Borders also deplores Israel’s decision to deny the international media access to the Gaza Strip by declaring it a “closed military zone.” Closed since November, the Erez border crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip was reopened for a few hours before the start of the offensive only to be closed again.
Here’s Human Rights Watch:
“”An Israeli ground operation in Gaza will likely mean intense combat in densely populated areas, where the threat to civilians is substantial,” said Joe Stork, deputy director of Human Rights Watch’s Middle East and North Africa division. “The IDF and Hamas must take concrete steps to minimize the fighting’s impact on civilians or the results could be catastrophic.”
The IDF’s last major ground operation in Gaza, from February 27 to March 3, 2008, killed 107 Palestinians, more than half of whom were civilians, and wounded more than 200. Two Israeli soldiers died.
Human Rights Watch’s detailed field investigation of that operation found serious violations by the IDF, including the killing of a wounded man getting treatment in an ambulance, the shooting deaths of two civilians on donkey carts, and the shooting and wounding of two men in IDF custody. In two cases, tank crews opened fire on unarmed civilians. All of these incidents took place in an area that was firmly under the control of the IDF. Palestinian medics and ambulance drivers also faced restrictions on their ability to treat the wounded and dead – both civilians and combatants – and came under fire that killed one medic.
In February-March 2008, as on other occasions, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups placed civilians at risk by firing rockets and mortars from densely populated areas and storing weapons in civilian structures. Those acts, too, violate the laws of war.
Human Rights Watch said that during past hostilities both sides have failed to take adequate steps to remove civilians from areas where there was fighting, putting them at unnecessary risk. A senior IDF legal advisor recently told Human Rights Watch that it is still standard procedure for IDF troops to detain civilians in houses in which the IDF deploys, thus exposing them to danger of attacks from Palestinian forces.
Past IDF ground operations raise additional concerns. Human Rights Watch’s on-the-ground investigation of the April 2002 IDF ground operation in Jenin refugee camp in the West Bank found that at least 22 of the 52 Palestinians killed were civilians, including some as the result of unlawful or willful killings by the IDF (http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/2002/israel3/israel0502.pdf ). The IDF used armored bulldozers to demolish residents’ homes to clear the way for armored vehicles, but in some cases the destruction extended well beyond any conceivable military objective. The IDF blocked the passage of medical personnel and vehicles into Jenin refugee camp for 11 days, and IDF soldiers repeatedly fired on ambulances.
During Jenin and other ground operations, Israeli soldiers have at times forced civilians, sometimes at gunpoint, to accompany IDF troops during their searches of homes, forcing them to open doors and perform other dangerous tasks in violation of the laws of war. A 2005 Israeli Supreme Court ruling banned this practice.
A central problem has been the lack of accountability for past violations of the laws of war, Human Rights Watch said. The IDF told Human Rights Watch that it had not opened any investigations into potentially unlawful deaths from the March 2008 Gaza operations, called Operation Warm Winter, although it was investigating three reported cases of theft by Israeli soldiers. Similarly, Hamas has done nothing to hold accountable those who have deliberately and unlawfully fired rockets into, or from, civilian areas.
“Failing to punish soldiers for serious abuses sends a terrible message to those fighting in Gaza that future abuses too will be ignored,” said Stork.
More than 400 Palestinians in Gaza have died in fighting over the past week. According to the United Nations, about one-quarter of them are civilians. Palestinian rocket fire has killed three Israeli civilians in the same period.
The Israeli embassy in London has already been the site of daily demonstrations attended by thousands of people, the same is the case in many other western capitals. So really, what the hell are you talking about?
The only thing I can conclude is that ‘facts’ and Hainan88 don’t actually bother to read the western media or actually listen to what human rights organisations say. Perhaps we should take the same attitude towards their startlingly uninformed and delusional opinions.
@FOARP: “No western crticism of Israel? You guys really do need your heads examining, because the newspapers and television have been full of it 24/7 here in the UK.”
I read something similar in a Chinese book (that there is no criticism of Israel in the Western media). The author almost exclusively relied on US sources, of course. The West = US in the minds of most Chinese nationalists, a fact of life we’ll just have to accept, it seems…
Wukailong, it’s somewhat nuianced. For example our government have consistently taken side with the Isralis (largely due to America’s collective guilt over our anti-semetic history, and the efforts of the AIPAC) and Israel have consistently topped the list of US foreign (military and economic) aid.
HRW will never scream as loud about Israel as they do with China, and Western governments will never impose the kind of sanction they impose on China.
@ Charles Liu #15:
“…largely due to America’s collective guilt over our anti-semetic history”
Charles, I have no idea what you are talking about. Americans don’t feel any guilt over anti-semitic history, and every Jewish person I’ve ever met feels the States are the best place to be in the entire world if you’re Jewish. My brother in law’s family was originally from Poland. Most of them were wiped out in Auschwitz during the war. To them, America is wonderful.
Aid to Israel is mostly because they have a great lobby and powerful voting blocks in New York, Florida and Illinois. But you also have to consider that many Americans truly support Israel as a country, for a variety of reasons.
Personally, my feelings about the situation over there are similar to Jerry’s. I think both sides have behaved poorly and can be criticized extensively. Just when I start to feel sympathy for one side or the other, they do something stupid that causes me to throw my hands up in disgust.
Comparing Israel to China is an apple/orange comparison. You or I might not agree with the reasons for US sanctions against China in certain areas, but those reasons do exist. To ignore them makes for a weak argument.
William Huang Says:
@ facts #8
@ hainan88 #9
I am Chinese and I love my country. However, if we want to be great and stand up in the world, we should have ability to take criticism like everyone else. Of course, there are some people who have hidden agenda. However, many westerners in FM blog have shown genuine interest in China’s affair and as far as I can see, many of them are very knowledgeable and sincere for serious discussion. They come from different countries and may or may not share the same view with us but it does not mean they have bad intention. I am not sure to label everything that we don’t see eye to eye as propaganda is a way to resolve the differences and win friends.
If what China has achieved in the past 20 years is not because we are the victim of western power, why should we be the victim now? Like everyone else, China has its own problems and mistakes. It’s healthy to hear different views and opinions and it will only make us better.
As my personal opinion, I don’t anything particularly wrong with FOARP #1 post but I have to respect yours.
@William Huang
I totally disagree. FOARP went technical on the reporting of this issue to rationalize the piece, but many things can be technically correct yet with the intention to harm. In those reportings, what are the names of the officers media quoted? what are the physical evidence of such allegation? Both are very vague, that tells you something already, this is called smearing. Promoting and spreading unsubstantiated rumors to demonize China. This is not criticism, what constructive purpose does this report provide? None! Such report has only one goal, vilify and demonize the name China. That’s how the Western media made an art out of propaganda, technically flawless, but the public got the message. The reporting on Tibet riots was quite a disappointment, Western media, with uncontainable excitement, went bare knuckle. Free press bankrupted its credibility among the Chinese people, but the Western public still swallowed most of the lie—China cracked down in Tibet, blah blah
On issue of Reporters without borders. Here is another one of those propaganda tricks. The RWB is just a component of Western propaganda, it works with the Western press together. It will condemn Israel just as China, so it is shield from double standard. But the Western press ignores or only gives token presentation of RBW’s view on Gaza incident. But when it comes to Tibet, AP/CNN/FOXnews/Rueters/AFP go crazy quoting RBW “reports,” and RBW will be crazy churning out “reports” and giving press briefings etc…
Again the game is to ensure the rightness in technicality, while achieving the goal of propaganda. That’s one way to sum up the Western media.
On the issue of victimization. This is another Western construct to shut up the oppressed multitudes. Basically the rapist is accusing the rape victim for complaining about the crime. That is indeed adding insults to injury. Now when comes to China, China was a victim of Western aggression before 1949, nobody can take away China’s right to voice its grievances. That is not the issue here, since after 1949, PRC vigorously defended Chinese sovereignty, China is no longer a victim of Western aggression. What me and other like minded Chinese doing here is to be vigilant to Western aggression of propaganda.
The West has no interest of making friends with China, since the West does not accept at a fundamental level the legitimacy of Chinese government and institutions. That’s why the West uses the propaganda machine to demonize and deny the legitimacy of Chinese gov. and the Chinese nation. We should be here to point out the twisting of truth, the white lies, the spinning as they have been deployed in Western propaganda campaign against China.
Mehdi Says:
Human Rights Watch worried about its Pro-Israel Donors
Insider in Human Rights Watch is reporting to me that discussions are being held at the HIGHEST LEVEL on how to report on the Israeli attacks on Gaza without displeasing the Pro-Israeli donors. I kid you not.
from: angryarab.blogspot.com
@Mehdi – I can well believe it. There are those who do not like to hear even the slightest negative thing about the country which they identify with, as is obvious from one glance at Chinese nationalist websites like Anti-CNN (and more obvious when you attempt to make a comment on it which they don’t like).
@’Facts’ – It does not matter how often you repeat the phrase ‘western propaganda’, all of them quote Israeli defence officials as making the claim. Is the claim ‘impossible?’ Not at all, Chinese weapons show up all over the globe, as do Russian, German, British, French and American ones – but Chinese and Russian weapons are most favoured and easily available, for the reasons set out above. No one is making the claim that the rockets are being directly sold to Hamas by China.
“This is not criticism, what constructive purpose does this report provide?”
It tells you what kind of weapons are being used, what their range is, what their provenance is, how reliable they are likely to be etc. etc. etc. No criticism is implied above and beyond the obvious availability of Russian/Chinese manufactured weapons as compared to those of other countries.
You do not actually appear to have an argument here. You just seem to wish to assert things you like to think of as true, even if they are totally unconnected to the matter at hand. You seem to have an almost fetishistic attachment to words like “sovereignty”, “aggression”, “propaganda”, and wish to use them even where they have no real meaning.
Essentially your argument is circular: The western media is a propaganda machine because it reports things about China which are bad and the fact that these things are reported are disadvantageous to China so it must be a propaganda machine – at no point does you argument make touch with reality.
Please, go see a shrink.
Tu Quoque Says:
@Mehdi “Human Rights Watch worried about its Pro-Israel Donors”
Agreed. Money talks…
Agrees, and Well said, William Huang, “I am Chinese and I love my country…we should have ability to take criticism like everyone else. Of course, there are some people who have hidden agenda. ”
facts is not all wrong, and he is certainly right about the name-calling FOARP re: “the names of the officers media quoted? what are the physical evidence of such allegation? Both are very vague, that tells you something already, this is called smearing. Promoting and spreading unsubstantiated rumors to demonize China. ” Sock it to them, facts.
A few more things. I agree more with facts & disagree with FOARP who writes, “You [facts] do not actually appear to have an argument here,” “totally unconnected, ” “fetishistic attachment to words,” and “wish to use them even where they have no real meaning.”
Wow, Geeze, how full of himself. Hey, how about sharing your POVs by providing proof instead of using stinky smearing tricks and relying on character assassination tactics.
“There are those who do not like to hear even the slightest negative thing” writes FOARP, the master of duplicity hisself. Here again, he says,”You guys really do need your heads examining, ” You ought to be the first Mr. FEAR Of A Red Planet…Finally, FOARP: “Please, go see a shrink.” Again, please use your own advise first.
WKL: “The West = US in the minds of most Chinese nationalists, a fact of life we’ll just have to accept, it seems” What, accept a lie? What utter crap! For weeks we’ve been having a go at France right here on FM…it’s just that the US of A is the world’s biggest deadly bully with the loudest mouth, ergo…
@Tu Quoque – Its so good that we have you here to speak for Charlie-boy – do you two know each other?
# 15 “…largely due to America’s collective guilt over our anti-semetic history…..our [USA] government have consistently taken side with the Isralis…”
I don’t think this is true..corporate America is all about power & money. It is in America where the enterprising Jews can finally flourish and prosper, even to the point of having this ridiculous Anti-semetic law passed. So as Steve says above, America is the best thing/place for the people of Jewish descendants. With a lot of money coming from the American Christians fundamentalists believing that the Jews are the chosen people of God and all that Zionist prophetic scanario of the ressurrection of Israel as a nation and the re-building of the Temple of Solomon as conditions set by heaven for the Second Coming of Christ –
Other than their constant USUAL complains of everyone and everything, I would often get an ear load from non-believing, clearer headed Europeans, Americans or even Jewish Americans like Jerry outside of US say less complimentary things about the Jews of usury, that they perhaps wouldn’t say in America.
To be fair, Not all Jews are pro-Israel Zionists, just as not all Jews are Jewish in cultural, business practice or religious beliefs. There are secular-Jews and even more bizzarely, Christian-Jews (???), which is like saying I am a secular-Hindu, a Christian-Muslim, or a Christian-Buddhist..go figure,
Nope, Tu Quoque don’t know William, facts, WKL, Charlie boy, girl, man or woman, nor do I speak for CCP, ABC, CNN, chinks, gooks, spooks or self-righteous white men. And I sure as hell don’t know FOARP -IMHO, is but a biased history buff , just another imported hooligan who gets into fights with chinese folks in the bars in China and forever pitching Taiwanese culture and politics against China. Not a balanced man I might say. Another one of them British educated snobs, perhaps? To be clear, When FOARP is right, he is right though – no one is ever totally wrong all the time – even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day – so please show a little respect for Mr. facts and others who all are guests of FM.
FOARP asks: “So it is a mystery how did Hamas ever get their hands on supposed Chinese-made rocked when it doesn’t exist.”
It is a mystery? Um, let me take a stab in the dark here, oh, so mysterious, oh so dark, oh, so very sinister….Listen, these are Chinese made weapons, wow , OMG! that’s a double whammy there because the Chinese condemns Israeli aggressions, inhumane treatment of Palestinians. Palestinian homes were taken over and occupied by force by the Israelis. In legal and moral terms in fact, these Palestinian homes were robbed and stolen by Manhattan and other American Jews with the help of the British and American military forces who, um, I think carry and use US & British made weapons, driving the righfull Palestinian home and land owners to live as refugees in their ancestral homeland. Hm, sounds familiar doesn’t it???? Where have I heard the same story before????? Oh, I’m sorry, give them a couple hundred years, they will do the Palestinains right by turning their Muslim hellhole into a lilywhite humane Christendom, like they did with the African colonies, their imported African Slaves, the Australian aboriginals and the Native American Indians. What’s a couple hundred years and sacrificing ten, twenty generations of collateral damages to these human beings? Look, even China went through 30 years of bad politics. We, White folks at least treat right by our own kind – as long as none whites are doing all the hard work and suffering. Rest assure, one day,when we are rich, they will be compensated – what was it now that our generous forefathers promised the Native American Indians and the black slaves – something about mules and acres of land, I think. Oh, we must thank the Nazi defectors for helping us build such fine weapons of mass destructions. And oh, damn the black marketeers for selling Hamas low tech (alas, some are Chinese made) weapons against our US trained, and nuclear armed Israeli rich friends.
@Tu Quoque: “WKL: “The West = US in the minds of most Chinese nationalists, a fact of life we’ll just have to accept, it seems” What, accept a lie? What utter crap! For weeks we’ve been having a go at France right here on FM…”
I think I know better how these discussions work now – something like this gets called a “lie”, “crap” and other superlatives, and there is no benefit of doubt. Of course, if you agree with facts I wouldn’t expect much else, let alone the wish to have a good discussion.
Despite mentioning France or Germany every now and then, almost all examples given and all generalizations done are with the US in mind. I’ve heard a lot of generalizations saying things about the West that are only true about the US.
But OK, I’m willing to change my statement to “The US = West in the minds of Chinese nationalists most of the time, with some occasional picking on France and the UK. All generalizations are always done on the basis of US = West”.
Oh WKL, you misunderstood, I was agreeing with you there, my fellow FM movers.
You said “a fact of life we’ll just have to accept, it seems”which I was being facetious by responding with what? (We can’t) Accept [such] a lie? [This is crap/ BS – NO !]
I agree that some nationalists do blindly generalize, but not all nationalists are bad or ignorant as you [might inadvertantly] suggest there.
Otherwise, we don’t disagree.
HongKonger Says:
I got this in my email today. Thought I’d share with y’all:
This poem was nominated by UN as the best poem of 2008
Written by an ~African Kid~
When I born, I black
When I grow up, I black
When I go in Sun, I black
When I scared, I black
When I sick, I black
And when I die, I still black
And you white fellow……
When you born, you pink
When you grow up, you white
When you go in sun, you red
When you cold, you blue
When you scared, you yellow
When you sick, you green
And when you die, you gray
And you calling me COLOURED?
@ HongKonger #27: I believe that’s an old Malcom X quote.
Ha,ha, no kidding….I dunno…I just got it in the email, and it says, “This poem was nominated by UN as the best poem of 2008, Written by an ~African Kid~ ” I wonder though,….Malcolm X being an American, wouldn’t “colored,” i.e. spelled the american way instead of COLOURED? Methinks, me friend is just testing if I remember what I read of the Malcome X book he gave me three years ago. LOL. Thanks Steve for the heads up 🙂
The issue here is that there is no conclusive physical evidence to show Hamas has Chinese weapons. Western media is smearing China, associating China with violence. That’s all. To Foarp, his questions is “why it’s impossible (for Hamas using Chinese weapon)?” That’s called guilty until proven innocent. That’s the standard Western media and Foarp uses to judge and demonize China. By this standard, the free press propaganda mill is free to spread rumors vilify China, all it needs is a unidentified officer/official. When being challenged, Western propaganda defenders say “why impossible?”
@Tu Quoque, hainan88
Regarding the personal attacks foarp launched against me, that’s all he could do. That’s the only way to avoid taking my charges head on.
I disagree with the admin to highlight foarp’s post, while not highlight the ones with sound arguments that oppose foarp’s defense of Western propaganda.
@ HongKonger: I looked it up and it’s under Unsorted in this Wikiquote. It’s a pretty clever quotation. 🙂
Thanks Steve for Wikiquote.
Something else caught my attention though.
Wow, Looks like all that is being discussed today had in fact being said back in the 1960s….
I must be half-interested back then, I guess I should re-read Malcom X’s book.
Malcolm X on Zionism (1964)
Taken from the Egyptian Gazette (17 September 1964)
The modern 20th century weapon of neo-imperialism is “dollarism.” The Zionists have mastered the science of dollarism: the ability to come posing as a friend and benefactor, bearing gifts and all other forms of economic aid and offers of technical assistance. Thus, the power and influence of Zionist Israel in many of the newly “independent” African nations has fast-become even more unshakeable than that of the 18th century European colonialists… and this new kind of Zionist colonialism differs only in form and method, but never in motive or objective.
Zionist Israel’s occupation of Arab Palestine has forced the Arab world to waste billions of precious dollars on armaments, making it impossible for these newly independent Arab nations to concentrate on strengthening the economies of their countries and elevate the living standard of their people.
“They cripple the bird’s wing, and then condemn it for not flying as fast as they.”
Did the Zionists have the legal or moral right to invade Arab Palestine, uproot its Arab citizens from their homes and seize all Arab property for themselves just based on the “religious” claim that their forefathers lived there thousands of years ago? Only a thousand years ago the Moors lived in Spain. Would this give the Moors of today the legal and moral right to invade the Iberian Peninsula, drive out its Spanish citizens, and then set up a new Moroccan nation … where Spain used to be, as the European zionists have done to our Arab brothers and sisters in Palestine?…
@Tu Quoque: My apologies. 😉 I guess I’m a bit too ready to believe at times.
Gosh, I don’t understand the brouhaha about this. An Israeli defense official claims they have found a Grad rocket that they have reason to believe originated in China. That is about 10,000 miles removed from anyone accusing China of selling such rockets directly to Hamas for the purpose of firing at Israel. And yet some people are still bent out of shape, mostly about an accusation that no one is even making. Is this what chasing shadows looks like?
I mean, if people have such a complex as to construe everything about China as being in a negative light, and to think that everyone is out to smear China at every turn, how do they get up in the morning and function as a human being? And how many fools will have to move how many mountains before the light of day will be cast upon these dark souls?
To Facts:
“The issue here is that there is no conclusive physical evidence to show Hamas has Chinese weapons.” – no, what we have is an IDF official saying so to a reporter. So do you have physical evidence that the IDF official was making this up? Do you have physical evidence that the reporter was engaging in creative writing? And what would constitute “conclusive physical evidence” to you? Would Olmert holding a spent rocket shell, standing in front of a copy of today’s newspaper, be sufficient? Or would you then accuse someone of doctoring the photo, or that Mossad fabricated a rocket shell with Chinese markings in order to falsely implicate China?
You’re trying to take a molehill, and make it into K2. And you’re approaching Everest-proportions rapidly.
“That’s called guilty until proven innocent. ”
It’s called nothing of the kind, it’s called “reporting what others have said”. Has China issued a complaint or a denial? No? Why not? Could it be that this is because that part of the world is so awash with weaponry that pretty much everything short of an anti-aircraft missile can be obtained if someone is willing to pay the price? Nobody is disputing this except crazed internet nationalists.
Go check out the website of China’s embassy in Israel – not one mention:
http://www.chinaembassy.org.il/eng/
Oh, and meantime here’s an interesting story from a few years ago:
“Chinese Deny Forming Ties with Hamas – Herb Keinon
Spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Israel Lu Jing on Tuesday denied Hamas Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahar’s claim that he had been invited to China. He also said he did not know of any intention to invite a Hamas official in the near future.
Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said, “If Hamas can get recognition without changing its positions, there is no chance it will become more moderate.” Israel has informed the Chinese and other nations of its position that Hamas should be denied international legitimacy until it recognizes Israel, renounces terrorism, and accepts previous agreements with Israel. (Jerusalem Post) “
@HKer – Malcolm X eventually went back on all that talk (to his credit) when he went to a Muslim conference and found out what a load of BS Elijah Mohammed and the rest of the Nation of Islam had sold him. Elijah Mohammed’s version of Islam was not Islam as the majority of Muslims recognise it, but a race-based invention of his own. Check it out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_islam#Comparison_with_traditional_Islam
@Tu Quoque #24 – I know anti-semitism when I see it, and it was not me who asked that question, but Charlie-boy.
Anon FMer Says:
SK @34, “how many fools will have to move how many mountains before the light of day will be cast upon these dark souls?”
Well, you can start with Gordon Chang’s soul. The author of “Comming Collapse of China” just went on Lou Dobbs to accused the Chinese of selling rockets to Hamas.
@FOARP: “Elijah Mohammed’s version of Islam was not Islam as the majority of Muslims recognise it, but a race-based invention of his own.”
I would call that a mormonization of Islam.
To Anon #39:
you’re right. Looks like lots of people are still sitting in the dark.
@ FOARP
Yeah, man, Malcom X did go thru several drastic phases of growth – from a felon to a political activist to a martyr. It is amazing how manyextremely smart people are susceptable to unbelieveable religious and ideological total BS. The fact that Sects not unlike NOI are today still thriving is mind boggling. Sects or religious abberational groups such as the LSOJC, the Moonies, those chanting Hindus in Orange, those Name-it-and-claim-it greedy Prostestants, the Christian Science no-medical help tenets that Tom Cruise helps advocates, and their counterparts, the pseudo-buddhist claims preached by ace con-artist H Z Li of FLG, and what was that Taiwanese sect whose beliefs included their own version of the Christian despensionist’s 19th century invention of the mid-air “Beem me up Scottie,” Rapture, except for them it’s some space ship, aka UFO, which will save just them at the end of the world, etc? Bob Dylan went from religion to religion., the Reverent Billy Graham went from Jesus alone saves, a traditionist to conceding to the theology of Universalism. I suppose it was a good thing that Malcom X became a traditional Muslim in the end.
# 40, WKL: “I would call that a mormonization of Islam.”
LOL. Exactly.
“I know anti-semitism when I see it, and it was not me who asked that question, but Charlie-boy.”
I hope calling Zionism for what it is isn’t anti-semitism. UI believe our esteemed Jewish poster, Jerry is not too happy with that movement either. Hey Jerry, how was your trip to HK, did you find Chungking Mansion?
“The issue here is that there is no conclusive physical evidence to show Hamas has Chinese weapons.” – no, what we have is an IDF official saying so to a reporter.
LOL…but false reports like this had started a few wars before….Hmmm…
but then, FOARP is right, “the world is so awash with weaponry that pretty much everything short of an anti-aircraft missile can be obtained if someone is willing to pay the price.”
To HKer:
This “incident” didn’t start any war; the Israelis and Palestinians took care of that on their own.
As FOARP has said several times, no one is suggesting that China sold them to Hamas. Which is why I don’t understand why Facts is worked up into a tizzy.
Hong Konger Says:
“the world is so awash with weaponry that pretty much everything short of an anti-aircraft missile can be obtained if someone is willing to pay the price.”
It matters not (to me) who sold whom the tools of death, for wherever the carcass is, the vultures will gather. The fishmongers sell fish and the warmongers sell wars. The first makes an honest living with the lives of millions of fish for the benefit of fellow human beings, the other benefits none but themselves. Yet who do you think smells better, lives in luxury, wins accolades, enjoys public respect and gets tax breaks ?
@ Hong Konger: It’s not only what you said, but the entire economic model that arms procurement is built around is flawed. Arms manufacturer develops Weapon X, and development costs are very high, partly subsidized by his government. He then receives the contract from his government to manufacture Weapon X and recoups most of the cost of his development.
Now he creates sub-Weapon X, a slightly dumbed down version that he can sell to other less developed countries for pure profit and that’s where the company really makes its money. So the economic model is based on selling more and more advanced weaponry to less developed countries to offset development costs for extremely advanced weaponry to your own country, thereby flooding the developing world with more and more advanced weapons, which make killing people easier and easier.
Every country with an arms manufacturing industry works this way, and if you develop a “hit” weapon, the profits are enormous and you “smell better, live in luxury, win accolades, enjoy public respect and get tax breaks”. 🙁
FOARP,
Didnt Europeans historically have negative view on Jews ?
If so, you cant use how EUROPEAN media has reported Gaza to prove that media is unbiased.
I wouldnt say Facts is 100% right, but he has very reasonable reason to say so.
Here is one of the best examples how West media manipulated news : (from the link posted by Steve.)
It was on March 28th 1959 that the Communist Party announced the dissolution of the existing local government in Tibet – following the Dalai Lama’s escape a few days’ beforehand.
China says that this move freed about one million Tibetans from serfdom and slavery.
First, “Communist” Party, we know almost all westerners hate anything related to communism and dont believe what “Communist” party says.
then the writer masterfully wrote ” China says ….”
Did he tell the truth ? Yes.
Did he lie to the british public ? Yes, He manipulated british public.
No wonder so many Westerners are brainwashed about Tibet.
@Whahahaha – You too, I’m giving up trying to convince all of you maniacs that the Great Western Media Conspiracy (gasp!) doesn’t exist. I have other things to worry about in my life.
@Wahaha (#48): “Didnt Europeans historically have negative view on Jews ?”
Yeah, but historically people have held a lot of nutty views. Europe, for its part, has moved on. I don’t see much anti-semitism these days and I don’t believe it’s very prevalent. The reason parts of Europe is negative towards Israel is mostly political, where leftists tend to side with Palestine, and rightists with Israel.
How does your quote support the assertion that, because Israel was claiming some Hamas-fired rockets to be Chinese-made, people will automatically equate use of a CHinese rocket to the conclusion that China sold them to Hamas?
To me, that’s apples and oranges. In fact, it’s apples and something completely and utterly unrelated to apples.
As for your quote, if westerners disbelieve the communist party as a matter of routine, should we not believe that the local government of Tibet was dissolved on the date in question? What, you mean the TGIE had really been the TG-Not-IE for all these years? Who knew….
And really, since the CCP is the legitimate government of CHina, do you think there is much distinction between what “China says” and what “the CCP says”, in terms of believability?
@wukailong #51
I changed your words a bit 🙂
The reason parts of Europe is negative towards Israel is mostly political, where leftists and millions of Muslims tend to side with Palestine, and rightists with Israel.
January 21st, 2009 at 3:04 pm
I am a maniac ? wahaha …
BBC lied.
CNN lied.
Wikipedia lied.
and watched what West did to Russia, …
I am a maniac …..
Read again, I was refering to the comment by Facts.
and if you still fail to see what ” China says” means, well, … God bless Canada.
January 22nd, 2009 at 6:12 am
“Read again, I was refering to the comment by Facts.” – which is exactly why I paraphrased his assertions while questioning your logic. Reading it again provides me with no redeeming value…so I think I’ll pass.
“china says”, “CCP says”, to me they both mean the same thing…which is to say vanishingly little. If there is a god, maybe someday what “China says” will not be the same as what “CCP says”, because when that day arrives, it’ll mean CCP’s no longer running the show. Amen to that.
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Dani Shivers
TIJUANA, MX
Upcoming shows :
San Diego @Dona Pancha - April 13th
Tijuana @Cupula Del Vampiro - April 20th
Dani Shivers is a Mexican singer-songwriter, producer and poet. Born Yahel « You » Schaffner in Tijuana, she is known for her "childlike vocals”, her proficient use of lo-fi keyboards, glockenspiel and bass guitar. Her work can be described as lo-fi casio/dark synth-pop. Dani Shivers's moniker was given to her one of Tijuana's Ruidoson pioneer Tony Gallardo, who also introduced her to Hermosillo’s (MX) net label LALALA4E who released her first EP Power Naps.
Born into a mormon household in Tijuana, Mexico she moved to Tijuana’s suburbs at the age of 10 where she grew up in the back of a theatre. She started writing poetry, cultivating her love for movies and books. During this time, her mother was part of synth-goth band Espejos Negros.
During her early teens Yahel wrote a couple of songs after spending a lot of time in practice spaces because of her mother's music career. The first instrument that caught her attention was the bass. At the age of 16, she joined Ibi Ego who was in need of a bass player. After the band’s separation she focused on film studies and her solo career.
Dani Shiver’s debut album Jinx was released by Tijuana’s label Prima Crush in March of 2012, while she was living in Mexico City, playing bass for Mentira Mentira. Her second album, Syzygy, was recorded in Los Angeles in collaboration with White Rainbow’s Adam Forkner. It was written in Mexico City and Tijuana, and then recorded in various studios in Los Angeles and Portland run by notable musicians like Bobby Birdman’s and Brian Foote’s and at Marriage Records studio (YU building). After temporarily moving back to Tijuana, movie director Ricardo Silva connected Shaffner with Cranes Records which led to the release of Jinx on vinyl as well as the following albums.
Dani Shivers's solo career features collaborations with musicians such as Gabriel Duprat, Bonsai Babies, Tony Gallardo, Moisés Horta, Adam Forkner, Ibi Ego and Mentira Mentira. Main influences : The Sundays, Casiotone For The Painfully Alone, Placebo and Cranes.
"It all started when Schaffner, the singer and one of the main songwriters of indie band Ibi Ego, set out to record a headful of fleeting melodies that often escaped her. Describing herself as, ‘very forgetful,’ Schaffner used a simple formula to remember potential songs by: a cheap Radio Shack microphone, toy keyboards, and her mother’s virus-ridden PC. She started recording in the DIY studio that doubled as her bedroom. But the disconnect between the song constructions that Schaffner imagined and the constraints of shoddy instrumentation produced unexpected results. She started exploring the possibilities within its limitations. With a mix of pop melodies and unusual sounds that seem to be taken out of a horror film, Dani Shivers crafts naive and fun songs with the help of toy keyboards rescued from her childhood and a batch of aggressive, obscure and danceable beats." - Prima Crush
Dani Shivers - Graves
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Celsius Festival (Sept 2018) - Photo : Armando Ruiz
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CTruk’s new multi-role force protection craft: THOR – Twin Hulled Offshore Raider
Naval Defense Industry News - UK
The military minds behind THOR – Twin Hulled Offshore Raider:
CTruk’s new multi-role force protection craft
THOR is the brain-child of CTruk’s Military and Security team, who between them have amassed approximately 200 years of military experience, skills and knowledge. Realising that new designs must be right first time, the company has established a Military Design Advisory Panel (MDAP), which acts as an advisory body, steering design to ensure that vessels are fit for task.
Ctruk THOR
The result of all this expertise, not to mention CTruk’s proven offshore support vessel designs, is THOR, a composite, 11m proof-of-concept demonstrator vessel, designed to fulfil a number of roles, including force protection of the amphibious sea lanes, casualty extraction from a beach, carrying and deploying a pre-landing force, riverine patrol, protection of harbours and offshore installations, unmanned surface vessel operations (for protection and mine countermeasures) and disaster relief. Fitted with a remote weapon station and other crew served weapons, THOR is designed to be rapidly deployable via a number of assets, both existing and future (including C17/A400M + CTruk 50T mother ship).
THOR stands for Twin Hulled Offshore Raider
THOR is built from modern, advanced composite materials to give a strong and robust structure, which reduces overall vessel weight and saves time spent on operational and maintenance routines, as well as offering significant cost savings in through life maintenance. Reduction in weight translates directly into greater payload, range and speed. THOR incorporates a range of high-tech equipment, provided through the CTruk Collaborative Amphibious Project (CAP), a consortium of key subsystems manufacturers that have joined forces to deliver an innovative vessel design with high-tech options (details in the notes of this release). Core to THOR’s capability is the systems integration work undertaken by SCISYS .
THOR is built from modern, advanced composite materials to give a strong and robust structure
Andy White, CTruk Chairman, commented:
“We have designed THOR to meet the changing needs of the global market for defence and security equipment. Global defence budgets are being squeezed like never before and emerging nations most often cite affordability as the major obstacle in their maritime procurement programmes. Many navies have lost, or are losing, the ability to deploy appropriate and proportionate capability to respond to a myriad of low-level threats, with the result that billion dollar ships are routinely being used for ten dollar tasks.
“Providing value for money and versatile capability is the current challenge, which is ably met by THOR.”
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MLB Season Pushed Back Until Mid-May At The Earliest
MLB's decision is in accordance with the CDC's recommendation that no gatherings of more than 50 people be held for eight weeks.
Prospect Notes: Jose Garcia Makes Impression On Reds Coaching Staff
We break down Jose Garcia's play, Nick Madrigal's ceiling, how the coronavirus will affect Team USA and more.
40-Man Roster Players Allowed For Olympics, Qualifiers
USA Baseball confirmed that 40-man roster players who are not in the major leagues will be allowed to participate in the 2020 Olympics.
Final Olympic Qualifier In Taiwan Postponed Due To Coronavirus Outbreak
The World Baseball Softball Confederation announced it has postponed the final qualifier for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics due to the coronavirus outbreak.
Ranking The Top 20 MLB Rookies In 2020
Here are the top 20 rookies primed to break through and make an impact in 2020, plus another 10 rookies to watch.
Yermin Mercedes Puts Himself On Brink Of The Majors
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New 2020 MLB Roster Rules Encourage Creativity
Teams have less than four months to decide how they want to make use of their new 26th roster spot.
Double-A Will Use Minor League Baseballs In 2020
The three Double-A leagues—the Texas League, Southern League and Eastern League—were once rumored to be moving to the major league ball in 2020.
'Cardinals Devil Magic:' St. Louis Keeps Maximizing Overlooked College Draft Picks
The Cardinals have made a habit out of developing and maximizing the talent of fringe college players.
Ranking Every MLB Team's Draft Performance In The 2010s
Here is how all 30 teams performed through the draft last decade, ranked by combined Baseball-Reference WAR.
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Middle school literacy centers
Looking for a new literacy center format for you middle grade students? At A Teacher’s Treasure, Mrs Zrihen has her 6th-8th grade students create most of her centers in order to give the them ownership and a chance to think differently about the material.
On her blog, Mrs. Zrihen shared her latest student designed activity in which each group made a tote bag filled with items centered around one of three categories: genre centers, author centers, and theme centers. Students received a rubric to guide them in creating the center. In the end, each tote bag included titles of books under that category, a review of two books, a crossword puzzle, and a game that students can play at the center.
We love this project as it seems a fun way to offer students choice; it also encourage students to write for an authentic audience, to explore a topic in depth, and to identify key information and think “like the teacher”.
Go to A Teacher’s Treasure to see the rubrics Mrs. Zrihen used as well as samples of the tote centers, including a courage theme center, a mystery genre center, and a Maya Angelou author center.
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Unterzeichnung Aufruf “Academics for Gezi”
Hiermit möchten wir als Netzwerk von Wissens*Aktivist*innen unsere Solidarität mit den Kämpfen in der Türkei zum Ausdruck bringen. Ein Großteil von uns hat bereits den Aufruf “Academics for Gezi” eines anderen aktivistischen Wissenschaftler*innenzusammenhang unterschrieben. Wir wollen den Aufruf deshalb hier verlinken und weiter bekannt machen. Zeichnet den Aufruf noch heute! Solidarität kennt keine Grenzen.
Academics for Gezi Call
As academics concerned with the recent developments in Turkey, we stand in solidarity with the people peacefully protesting to protect Gezi Park in Taksim, and we condemn the excessive police brutality that was inflicted on them.
What started on Monday, May 27, as a movement to peacefully protest the demolition of a public park and its replacement with a shopping mall, has turned into a mass struggle of people in Turkey for human rights, for freedom of expression, and for direct democracy. Throughout the past ten days, hundreds of thousands of people have joined the movement in many cities across Turkey. The immense violence practiced by the Turkish police, including excessive use of water cannon, pepper spray, rubber bullets, and batons cannot be justified in any way. Such violence has caused three confirmed deaths and left at least 5000 injured, as well as thousands affected by tear gas. The detention and blacklisting of thousands of people for expressing their opinions, including those who are charged for speaking out through social media, is unacceptable. Peaceful expression of opinions is a constitutional right in Turkey, much like in any democratic country.
The resistance movement in Gezi Park has created an atmosphere of open exchange and plurality in Turkey –an atmosphere, against which the increasing number of human rights violations, accompanied by a culture of fear and oppression, stands in jarring contrast. We are outraged by these violations. The oppression of women, LGBTQ communities, and minorities, together with the exploitation of the environment, are incompatible with democracy. We hereby reaffirm that the freedom of thought, expression, and conscience, as well as the recognition and acceptance of difference, are essential in any democratic society. It is our duty to remind the Turkish government of its obligations under international law to respect the basic rights of the people –the rights people in Turkey are defending with their lives.
We also condemn the silence, inconsistency, and bias of the mainstream media in Turkey. The people of Turkey have the right to a free press and the right to fully follow these events, in which thousands of people partake.
We as academics and scientists concerned with Turkey, reject Prime Minister Erdogan’s discourse that is denigrating and marginalizing the protests. We emphasize that this is a democratic movement. Congruent with the demands of the Gezi Park protestors in Turkey, we demand that Gezi remain a park; that continuing repression and police brutality end immediately; that the constitutional rights of those in custody be protected and their medical needs be met; that those who were taken into custody for exercising their right to peacefully and publicly protest be immediately released; that those responsible for the disproportionate use of police power and those who condoned the violence be held accountable; and that a participatory culture of democracy be established and sustained.
Every day we continue to receive horrifying news from Turkey. Yesterday, June 11, 2013, the police violently attacked Gezi Park. Hundreds of people were injured, with some left in very serious conditions. We are deeply saddened by this situation and we ask the Turkish government to immediately stop the police violence against the peaceful demonstrations in Gezi Park and other places around Turkey. We also declare to the world that the detention of lawyers and their harsh, unlawful treatment by the police at Caglayan Courthouse yesterday is unacceptable. Scenes like those we saw from the courthouse yesterday do not befit a country that claims to have a democratic legal system.
We wish the people who have been subjected to violence a fast recovery. We send our condolences to the families of the deceased.
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exit consents
The Importance of Being Bound: Bondholders’ Vote and Workouts in the U.S. and in Italy
by Editor | posted in: Bankruptcy Reform, Bankruptcy Roundtable Updates, International and Comparative, Workouts and Pre-Packs | 0
By Francesca Prenestini (Bocconi University, Milan)
Francesca Prenestini
Most legal systems follow one of two rules for regulating the capacity of an issuer to renegotiate the terms of the bond loan to avoid insolvency or to accommodate changing capital needs. The first rule requires the individual consent of every bondholder while the second one permits the proposed agreement to be approved upon a majority decision which also binds dissenting bondholders.
This article analyzes the desirability of adopting a regulatory approach that allows a binding vote of bondholders on amendments of the core terms of the loan and other restructuring measures, including the conversion of bonds into shares. In doing so, this article examines the drawbacks of the prohibitive approach, which requires consent from all bondholders, with particular regard to the judicial cases and business practices of two major legal systems (the U.S. and Italy).
In the U.S., the Marblegate and Caesars cases have reignited the debate on out-of-bankruptcy restructurings of bond issues. In 2015, the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York reaffirmed that coercive exit consent transactions which force bondholders into questionable restructurings are prohibited by § 316(b) of the Trust Indenture Act of 1939 (“TIA”). Then, in January 2017, the U.S. Court of Appeal for the Second Circuit adopted a narrower interpretation, holding that § 316(b) only prohibits formal non-consensual modifications of an indenture’s core payment terms.
The district court’s interpretation, though broad, is more coherent with the text, the legislative history, and the purpose of the TIA. Section 316(b) provides that the individual right of each bondholder to receive payment of the principal of and interest on their indenture security on the due dates cannot (with a few minor exceptions) be impaired without the bondholder’s consent. This section was enacted to protect bondholders from insider abuses by giving individual bondholders the power to veto proposed amendments in an out-of-court restructuring. However, this individual veto power often precludes even fair renegotiation agreements between the issuer and the bondholders.
Under Italian law, the meeting of bondholders may approve “amendments of the terms of the loan” by majority vote. Nevertheless, in the light of quite restrictive interpretations of such a rule, those modifications may not change the structural characteristics of the bond loan.
This article suggests that governments should adopt rules that allow a majority bondholders’ vote to accept out-of-bankruptcy restructurings of bond issues. Currently two different solutions may be implemented in the U.S. and Italy: in the U.S., until § 316(b) can be reformed, the Securities and Exchange Commission could exercise its power to grant exemptions to authorize transactions and agreements otherwise banned; and in Italy, in the absence of a statutory prohibition, the contract governing the loan could include a provision allowing the meeting of bondholders to vote upon amendments of the core terms of the loan and other restructuring measures, such as the conversion of bonds into shares.
This article first examines the two different approaches to bond loans restructuring in various legal systems and in the context of sovereign debt, and considers why allowing a binding vote of the bondholders in workouts is so important given the rationales for and against this rule. Then it focuses on the U.S. legal system, and discusses the statutory provision that bans the majority rule, how the jurisprudence and business practices have evolved, and recent proposals for reform. The article also considers the Italian system, its rules and business practices, and how to overcome its limits. In the end, this article suggests an alternative rule and proposes interim solutions to the problem while awaiting statutory reform.
The full article is available here.
For previous Roundtable posts on § 316(b) of the TIA and Marblegate, see William W. Bratton, The New Bond Workouts; Out-of-Court Restructurings After Marblegate: Trust Indenture Act Section 316(b) and Beyond; Benjamin Liu, Exit Consents in Debt Restructurings; Second Circuit Rules on § 316(b) in Marblegate; Mark Roe, The Trust Indenture Act of 1939 in Congress and the Courts in 2016: Bringing the SEC to the Table; National Bankruptcy Conference Proposed Amendments to Bankruptcy Code to Facilitate Restructuring of Bond and Credit Agreement Debt; David A. Brittenham, Matthew E. Kaplan, M. Natasha Labovitz, Peter J. Loughran, Jeffrey E. Ross, and My Chi To, 28 Law Firms Publish White Paper Addressing Trust Indenture Act Complications In Debt Restructurings; Carlos Berdejó, Revisiting the Voting Prohibition in Bond Workouts (providing evidence related to argument made in Mark Roe, The Voting Prohibition in Bond Workouts, 97 Yale L.J. 232 (1987)).
316(b), bondholders, Bonds, exit consents, Francesca Prenestini, international, Italy, Marblegate, restructuring, Trust Indenture Act, Workouts
Exit Consents in Debt Restructurings
by Editor | posted in: Workouts and Pre-Packs | 0
By Benjamin Liu (University of Auckland Business School)
The exit consent technique refers to an offer by a bond issuer to all the bondholders to exchange the existing bonds for new bonds or other types of securities, on the condition that the tendering bondholders consent to a resolution to amend the terms of the existing bonds to make them less valuable.
In Marblegate and Caesars, the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York held that the relevant exit consent in each case violated Section 316(b) of the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, reasoning that Section 316(b) prohibits not only impairment of a dissenting bondholder’s formal right to payment, but also “practical impairment” of such right. This article argues that there is no sufficient justification for giving Section 316(b) a broader interpretation than its plain language suggests. Such an interpretation is inconsistent with the legislative history of Section 316(b) and how the term “impairment of a right” is used in other contexts. In January 2017, in a 2–1 decision, the Second Circuit reversed the district court’s ruling in Marblegate, holding that Section 316(b) prohibits only non-consensual amendments to an indenture’s core payment terms.
In Assenagon, the U.K. High Court held that the exit consent arrangement in that case was unlawful because it breached the abuse principle under English law. This article argues that the application of the abuse principle in exit consent cases should be considered in light of the facts and the parties’ presumed intention. A consenting bondholder does not abuse its power when it is simply making a rational choice. Furthermore, it cannot possibly be the parties’ presumed intention that, when the issuer has made an exchange offer coupled with an exit consent, the consenting bondholder is required to prioritize the interests of the dissenting bondholders over its own interest.
For past Roundtable posts on exit consents and related issues, see the Roundtable’s round up of reactions to the recent Marblegate decision; our post covering a white paper by twenty-eight law firms on debt restructurings and the TIA; and Roe, “Fixing the Trust Indenture Act to Allow Restructuring Votes.”
316(b), Assenagon, Benjamin Liu, exit consents, Marblegate, Trust Indenture Act
Awaiting the Second Circuit’s Decision in Marblegate
We anxiously await the Second Circuit’s decision in Marblegate, which was argued earlier this year. John Bessonette of Kramer Levin briefly summarizes the stakes:
“Section 316(b) of the Trust Indenture Act provides that ‘the right of any holder of any indenture security to receive payment of the principal of an interest on such indenture security . . . shall not be impaired or affected without the consent of such holder . . . .’ Various plaintiffs used this provision this past year to successfully challenge out-of-court restructurings in Marblegate and Caesars. In both cases, the Federal District Court for the Southern District of New York held that § 316(b) not only protects the formal legal right to receive payment under an indenture, but also restricts non-consensual out of court debt reorganizations, even where no express terms of the indenture are violated.
“However, neither case provided a limiting principle for when out-of-court restructurings violate § 316(b), and plaintiff firms are now taking advantage of this murkiness. In the last year, three lawsuits challenging distressed exchange offers have been filed by retail holders of unsecured bonds. Each lawsuit involves an exchange offer made to qualified institutional buyers by a distressed energy company, and retail bondholders who object to their bonds being subordinated to the secured bonds issued to QIBs as part of the exchange.
“The cases are still pending and it remains to be seen whether the courts will clarify the ambiguity around § 316(b). Meanwhile, this obscure provision of the TIA will occupy a more prominent role in out-of-court debt restructurings and serve as a new weapon for plaintiffs challenging such restructurings.”
His full memo is available here.
The Roundtable has issued multiple posts on the Marblegate litigation and the Trust Indenture Act. Mark Roe wrote what the appropriate limiting principle should be for courts when invalidating exit consent transactions under section 316(b) of the Act. He further argued that courts alone cannot solve the fundamental problems: The SEC must also act. The Roundtable also covered the 28-law-firm white paper on how courts should handle that section. See our archives for more.
316(b), exit consents, John Bessonette, Kramer Levin, Marblegate, Trust Indenture Act
28 Law Firms Publish White Paper Addressing Trust Indenture Act Complications In Debt Restructurings
by plenertz | posted in: Workouts and Pre-Packs | 0
By David A. Brittenham, Matthew E. Kaplan, M. Natasha Labovitz, Peter J. Loughran, Jeffrey E. Ross, and My Chi To of Debevoise & Plimpton LLP
On April 25, 2016, 28 leading U.S. law firms published a legal opinion white paper (the “Opinion White Paper”) addressing recent decisions of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York interpreting Section 316(b) of the Trust Indenture Act of 1939 (the “TIA”) in the Marblegate and Caesars Entertainment cases. These decisions contain language that suggests a significant departure from the widely understood meaning of TIA § 316(b) that had prevailed for decades among practitioners. They have introduced interpretive issues that have disrupted established legal opinion practice and created new obstacles for out-of-court debt restructurings.
Section 316(b) of the TIA generally provides that the right of any holder of an indenture security to receive payment of principal and interest when due may not be impaired or affected without the consent of that holder. These recent decisions suggest that TIA § 316(b) protects more than the legal right to receive payment of principal and interest in the context of a debt restructuring.
The Opinion White Paper presents general principles that can guide opinion givers until the interpretive questions raised by these recent cases are resolved through future judicial opinions or legislative action.
The Opinion White Paper and further discussion of these cases are available here: Opinion White Paper.
The Bankruptcy Roundtable has previously posted on the Trust Indenture Act as well as the Marblegate and Caesars Entertainment cases. Most recently, Mark Roe posted an article on the underlying policy behind 316(b) and suggested regulatory and legislative changes to address the problems of bondholder holdouts and coercive exit consents: The Trust Indenture Act of 1939 in Congress and the Courts in 2016: Bringing the SEC to the Table. Additionally, the Roundtable posted the National Bankruptcy Conference Proposed Amendments to Bankruptcy Code to Facilitate Restructuring of Bond and Credit Agreement Debt.
316(b), Caesars, David Brittenham, Debevoise & Plimpton, exit consents, Jeffrey Ross, M. Natasha Labovitz, Marblegate, Matthew Kaplan, My Chi To, Peter Loughran, Trust Indenture Act
The Trust Indenture Act of 1939 in Congress and the Courts in 2016: Bringing the SEC to the Table
By Mark J. Roe, Harvard Law School
The Trust Indenture Act’s ban on restructuring payment terms via a vote has come to the fore in recent litigation. This memo examines broad aspects of the recent controversies to outline a path forward for a sensible legal structure governing out-of-bankruptcy restructurings.
There are four points to be made:
The recent Southern District of New York decisions striking down exit consent transactions are justified under the Trust Indenture Act.
The Act impedes out-of-bankruptcy restructurings because it clearly but mistakenly bars votes that restructure bond payment terms. Restructurings outside bankruptcy cannot succeed when widespread consent is needed. But in an institutionalized bond market, there is little reason to bar restructuring by vote.
The Act’s ban on votes creates the potential for holdouts (or earnest dissenters) to destroy a good deal that most bondholders sincerely want. But to combat the Act’s voting ban (and sometimes to force an unsound restructuring), issuers use exit consent offers, which can impair bondholders’ indenture rights so severely that they reluctantly accept an offer whose terms they dislike. Courts cannot resolve both of these distortions; other lawmakers need to come to the table.
Legislative solutions are possible. While awaiting wise legislation, there is another way to construct sensible rules for bond workouts — one that has previously not been recognized. The Securities and Exchange Commission has broad authority to exempt indentures and transactions from the full force of the ban on voting.
SEC exemptive rulemaking provides a viable path to facilitate out-of-bankruptcy restructurings of public bond issues going forward. The appellate courts can and should affirm the lower court decisions that the Trust Indenture Act bans exit consent degradation, and the SEC can and should then use its exemptive power to carve out uncoerced votes on payment terms from the Act’s voting ban.
The full memo is available here.
For some of our most recent previous posts on the Trust Indenture Act see here, here, and here.
exit consents, Marblegate, Mark Roe, Trust Indenture Act
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DusterMan (ID: GkVxLY7V)
Stardust Crusaders Quest #4 11/11/17(Sat)13:38:51 No.2061508
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Stardust Crusaders Quest #4 DusterMan (ID: GkVxLY7V) 11/11/17(Sat)13:38:51 No.2061508
Rules: The rolls will be used during
combat and sometimes conversations and are determined by the best of 3 rolls, if any of them suceeds, its a win for you guys, as its my first quest here im not confortable doing crits yet so i wont do them for now.
DusterMan (ID: GkVxLY7V) 11/11/17(Sat)13:40:51 No.2061517
Anonymous (ID: C1ZoazPD)
Anonymous (ID: C1ZoazPD) 11/11/17(Sat)13:50:53 No.2061543
File: olmec.jpg (40 KB, 620x472)
As another anon is wont to say in other quests, Let's Rock!
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Before Joseph could say any further comments, a tall, white haired man with a weird hairstyle comes over to your table.
"Excuse me, do you have a moment? I'm a tourist from France, and i'm having a hard time reading the Kanji from the menu. Could you please help a guy out here?"
"You're annoying. Go away." Jotaro angrily replies to the man interrupting the conversation, which seems to take him by surprise.
"Hey now, Jotaro. It's alright." Joseph tries to lighten the mood in a friendly tone while the white haired man places his menu on the table for Joseph to pick it up.
"I have been to Hong Kong many times, so i dont really have an issue with reading the Kanji on the menu. Why don't you join us?" Joseph invites the frenchman to the table, to which he complies, sitting down on the chair to your left.
"Well hello there, madame. Is there any particular a young girl like you would seem to be accompanying these men?" He speaks over to you with a confident smile on his face.
The way he worded that question seems a bit weird... Then again, it's probably a bit weird for a young girl to always stay close to 4 tall men with muscular builds too. But taking in consideration what Gray Fly said about Dio's minions, you cant put too much trust on strangers here.
>"What's it to you?"
>"These are my friends. We're on a field trip."
>"We are currently looking for a friend. But it's going to take a while to visit him."
>(Write-in)
Anonymous (ID: +EI9xwTI)
Anonymous (ID: +EI9xwTI) 11/11/17(Sat)13:57:54 No.2061554
It's exciting getting to study abroad. What better place to start than Hong Kong, which has good food, good tourism, and gets into disagreements with a neighboring nation about its own sovereignty?
Anonymous (ID: v0oOt5V+)
Anonymous (ID: v0oOt5V+) 11/11/17(Sat)14:03:11 No.2061557
Anonymous (ID: 87csxbGH)
Anonymous (ID: 87csxbGH) 11/11/17(Sat)14:07:04 No.2061561
>>"What's it to you?"
File: Food.png (574 KB, 685x386)
"These are my friends." You say back to the man. "We're currently on a field trip."
"Oh, i see." The man replies. "Well, given their appearance, you seem to be in good hands. So i hope you have a nice staying here in Hong Kong."
Joseph seems happy with you also being friendly to the frenchman, while Jotaro seems to still be somewhat weary of him.
After ordering something on the menu along with Joseph, the man patiently waited for his food to arrive with all of you.
The food Joseph ordered earlier arrives after a few minutes, with the man's order arriving soon after.
"I know the dishes seem a bit weird. But trust me! No matter what you order here, the food's still delicious. All right, everyone, feel free to dig in. It's all on me!" Joseph says while eating some of the rice porridge on his right.
The food does look unnapealing, especially that dish with frogs on it. But if Joseph said it was fine, you might as well try some of it out...
>Eat the rice porridge
>Eat the stewed fish
>Try out the clam dish
>Get a bite out of the roasted frogs
Protein is protein. Plus, they wouldn't serve anything that would kill people at an upscale restaurant, right?
I just hope that it's seasoned right. Frog legs can be a bit bland otherwise.
>>Get a bite out of the roasted frogs
can we just... politely refuse? blame our lack of appetite on recent happenings? cause that really doesn't look appealing
if not, then... rice porridge, I guess. Or, if we brought something like crackers or chocolate, can we have our stand convert it to something less likely to upset our stomach?
>Eat the frogs
>Refuse and try changing the food with your stand
The whole point of traveling abroad is to broaden one's horizons. You're not getting your money's or time's worth if you retreat back to your comfort zone every time you encounter some kind of unfamiliar food or weird cultural practice. Plus, everyone's going to be traveling to all sorts of foreign countries on the way to Cairo. Better to get used to it now and learn how to adapt to the unknown.
Anonymous (ID: v5y+p5fh)
Anonymous (ID: v5y+p5fh) 11/11/17(Sat)14:54:21 No.2061657
File: If+he+had+a+girlfriend+_f(...).png (41 KB, 221x241)
>You have to eat all the frogs, Hitomi
File: Star.png (359 KB, 686x385)
As disgusting as it looks, you suppose that eating different kinds of food is a big part of traveling, so you cant be really picky on what you eat out here.
You daringly pick up one of the roasted frogs from the dish and take a small bite out of it's legs.
To your surprise, It doesnt taste any different from white meat, somewhat resembling the taste of chicken wings. To be honest, it's actually pretty tasty.
"Well, it's pretty good right?" Joseph asks after seeing the group trying out the dishes.
"Yeah. It ceirtainly took a lot of time to prepare this." The frenchman says after eating a bit of the stewed fish. "I mean, just look at these carrots. They're all shaped like stars. Boy, this reminds me of something..."
Everyone of your traveling buddies turned their attention to him after saying that. Does that mean what you think it means?...
"Oh, that's right! Someone i know has this exact star mark on their necks..." He continues, placing the star shaped-carrot in his neck.
> "So you're a stand user?"
> "Don't even try it! You're at a disavantage here. Go away or else!"
> "Everyone, watch out!"
>(Bring out your stand and attack him)
>(Bring out your stand and wait for his move)
Anonymous (ID: 1jlRb6y9)
Anonymous (ID: 1jlRb6y9) 11/11/17(Sat)15:16:44 No.2061708
>>>(Bring out your stand and attack him)
>"I think I met the same guy. Blonde, doesn't do well in Sunlight? We didn't get along very well."
>"Don't even try it! You're at a disavantage here. Go away or else!"
You're lucky that I don't beat you into a pulp for wasting that last star-shaped carrot!
>>(Bring out your stand and wait for his move)
You wanna make a scene frog?
Anonymous (ID: EYpHbZ23)
Anonymous (ID: EYpHbZ23) 11/11/17(Sat)15:36:09 No.2061737
Backing this. Cunning enough to be something Hitomi would say. Seems out of character to reveal our stand so soon.
Anonymous (ID: QB1rMljA)
Anonymous (ID: QB1rMljA) 11/11/17(Sat)15:53:51 No.2061781
SAME. this is a very good comeback.
Anonymous (ID: yJEhSh3Z)
Anonymous (ID: yJEhSh3Z) 11/11/17(Sat)15:56:13 No.2061790
Let's at least try to get some kind of advantage over him before we attack
Also, I wonder if we can do a giorno-style healing thing by absorbing flesh, packing gauze or something into a wound, and turning it into flesh? Something to experiment with
That's a little difficult. A wound heals via the body sequentially creating cells that eventually form tissue, which includes blood vessels and a lot of other stuff.
Karma Chameleon converting gauze to flesh would be equivalent to getting a can of spam and stuffing the meat into the wound and calling it a day. Doesn't seem possible to do healing with KC unless it develops further and can do more complex things.
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"Another stand user?..." Avdol murmurs to himself in disbelief.
"I think I met the same guy, actually." You say back to the man with a smug smile. "Blonde, doesn't do well in Sunlight? We didn't get along very well."
The frenchman looks dead in your eyes as you speak back to him.
"Hah! It's always fun when a girl has a sense of humor. It's a shame i'll have to bring you down along with your friends."
He's quick to summon his stand: A thin,robotic humanoid clad in medieval armor, armed with a cup-hilted rapier in his right hand.
"My name is Jean Pierre Polnareff. My stand holds the chariot card. Silver Chariot. Hitomi Furuya, isnt it? It appears to me that you wish to die first. So be it."
"Don't even try it! You're at a disavantage here. Go away or else!" You reply back to Polnareff, which doesnt seem intimidated in the slightest by your remark.
"I am aware of that. The same way i am aware of your stand's ability to mimic objects and their properties by touching them. Surely a 1 versus 5 wont end well for me, but i believe in fair fights. So why dont we set this down on a duel? We can even do this outside so you have more objects to absorb, we dont want to ruin the restaurant afterall..."
"He can't be serious" Jotaro says after hearing Polnareff's speech.
"Are you sure you're up for fighting him? I can take care of him if you wish--" Avdol asks you before being interrupted by Polnareff.
"Don't try to sway Hitomi. This is a decision she has to make for herself. So, what do you say?"
>Accept his challenge.
>Accept his challenge. But someone else will fight in your place. (Specify)
>"I refuse." (Attack him here)
>"I refuse." (Attack with everone's stands at once.)
Certainly a neat idea, but definitely too complex for people. Fixing objects by making them more malleable and then reverting them once they're in the proper shape, though, there's an idea.
Also, this guy seems to be at least a little bit of a lady's man. Odds are if we don't sucker-punch him he'll be all too happy to give us the first move, possibly even go easy on us, which would be his downfall.
>>Accept his challenge.
Here we go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk9vyp_YijQ
With the caveat that if anyone besides him shows up and interferes, we reserve the right to dogpile him instead of fight 1v1 in sequence.
This'll be tough. Karma Chameleon may be a close range stand, but I'm not sure if it can actually trade blows with Silver Chariot. I guess this will be a good opportunity to see if we can convert his stand to something we can exploit.
Supporting. Also, I say we absorb the hardest metal we can find, then eventually try to absorb his sword/armor as our defense.
Also our two lower hands should do that upside down pose that Za Hando does, while our upper two are more like a fighting stance. It'd look cool as shit.
This might be a fight where we'll have to try and attack Polnareff directly and mislead him into thinking that we're just going to be attacking his stand. Kinda like what Avdol did.
We already know that Polnareff can't use Silver Chariot to attack anything that he can't see directly, and that while a stand might be nearly invulnerable, their user still needs to do stuff like breathe and other stuff. That may be the key to winning here, since Silver Chariot is fast and capable of carving/slicing through rock.
I kinda realize, OOC, that we'd be better off trying to let Avdol fight and make a hot tag in phase 2, but IC we might still have a chance.
Again, since he's demanding a duel, he might let us armor up first before attacking. Our best bet may actually be to try to take something metallic from the restaurant, like our cutlery, as an option. Stainless steel should keep him from penetrating unless he keeps attacking the same spot repeatedly.
One thing we could do is grab some packets of stuff in the restaurant while we're waiting, like chili powder, salt, and pepper; or say that we're going to go to the bathroom and grab soap, water, etc. If Armadillo shells covered in natural oil can deflect a mounted machine gun's bullets in the JoJo-verse, then metal covered in grease/soap can probably do a good job of ensuring that Silver Chariot's piercing rapier won't find enough purchase to deal a lot of damage.
We could try converting the ground that Polnareff stands on to water or some other greasy substance to bamboozle him, and possibly cause him to retract SC to try and lift him out of it or waste time sputtering while he's trying to swim out. If we create a lot of dust clouds by throwing rocks and tempting/baiting him into slashing stuff, we can easily turn that into an extremely irritating yet largely harmless cloud of pepper or chili powder.
Putting it all together, we could easily stash away a pepper shaker, which gives us glass (which if slashed up and turned into razor-sharp shards would make for nasty spikes to avoid on the field), pepper (chemical warfare. Even if we can't turn an object into it, we could always chuck the stuff into his face) and a stainless steel cap (super defense!).
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You confidently say to him after a brief moment, considering your options.
"Jean Pierre Polnareff, I accept your challenge!--"
"Hitomi, don't fall for it!" Joseph tries to convince you otherwise, before being interrupted as well. Only this time, by yourself.
"On one condition." You finish your statement, making Polnareff raise an eyebrow (The spots where his eyebrow should be, at least.) "If anyone besides you shows up and interferes, we deserve the right to dogpile him instead of fight 1v1 in sequence."
"Smart girl." Polnareff compliments your foresight. "Fine, but the same goes for your friends. There's no need to worry about that on my side, though. I've always worked better off alone. Now, follow me."
He exits off the restaurant and leads you and your group to a weird garden with some weird animal sculptures.
"The Tiger Balm Garden?" Kakyoin says after arriving at the place.
"I figured an open space with different sort of materials would give you plenty of options." Polnareff says "Bring out your stand and absorb anything you like, i'd be ready when you are."
>Look for good materials to absorb.
>Absorb the wood from your doll Charlotte.
>Ask Joseph if he saved some food from the restaurant. There might be something useful there that Polnareff won't expect you to use.
>>Look for good materials to absorb.
>talk to Joseph
Try to get something super spicy or peppery as suggested above. Tossing rocks that he'll slash apart, only to get a faceful of chili oil or horseradish, would be dope.
I don't remember...do we have a stand cry yet?
>Ask Joseph if he saved anything of worth from the restaurant.
Joseph probably had the same idea as us with regard to finding something useful for us to absorb. If anyone would be able to toss us something useful, it'd be him. As sad as it is to say, us and Avdol probably have the best chances of beating him right now. We're the joker, and Avdol could probably burn down the entire park if he had to ensure a hit. Joseph's Hermit Purple still ultimately relies on him and wouldn't be fast enough, and Star Platinum could probably hit Polnareff or even Silver Chariot, but hell if it can block that sword effectively. Lastly, Hierophant Green could in theory kite Chariot and keep blasting at both him and Polnareff, but he'd be cut to shreds if cornered.
Not yet at least. You also don't have any catchphrases either. Feel free to come up with a good one and we'll add it in if it sticks.
Anonymous (ID: XWUUyMMU)
Anonymous (ID: XWUUyMMU) 11/11/17(Sat)16:55:13 No.2062024
>>Look for good materials to absorb
Roll.
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BESTEST SUPER STARDUST CRUSADER BEST FRIEND
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua20Hxx8xDE
Also, we should make a point to very obviously go around picking up rocks/metal/wood/etc. after talking to Joseph so Polnareff doesn't know anything is up
You walk around the place for a while and placing your hand on different sculptures to feel what they're all made of.
The possible materials to absorb werent much more than you expected: Marble,stone,concrete,ceramic,...gold and silver?
As weird as it sounds, you manage to find a statue of two monkeys plated with gold and silver, that surely will help a lot fighting that Silver Chariot of his...
While there are a lot of hard materials to absorb, you havent really tried to use anything soft against an enemy, and with your ability to transfuse materials, using something soft against Polnareff will probably something he's not expecting from you...
"Joseph! Did you save some food from the restaurant?" You ask him from a distance.
"You bet i did! That food was expensive, i wouldnt let it all go to waste like that!" He says while taking a bag from his coat.
After getting close to the old man, you noticed that other than some leftovers from the roasted fish, the bag is full of empty dishes, cutlery and food condiments, including mustard, peper, salt and ketchup, all neatly packadged for the taking.
Was he already planning on you wanting to absorb this?
"Are you done yet? This is starting to get boring." Polnareff says in the distance.
"What's it gonna be, Hitomi?" Joseph whispers to you, awaiting your reply.
>Absorb something from the bag (Specify)
>Absorb something from the scenery (Specify)
>Take some stuff from the bag just in case (Specify)
>Take a pepper shaker and ketchup bottle from the bag just in case, then
>Absorb gold from the park.
Steel is harder, but gold is so heavy that he's got no chance of overpowering it. More importantly, if we somehow get a hand on him or his stand, we can turn said limb into gold, severely weighing it down and hindering its movements.
Anonymous (ID: 7FDN4l14)
Anonymous (ID: 7FDN4l14) 11/11/17(Sat)17:55:35 No.2062256
>grab some mustard and pepper, but subtly
>visibly absorb iron or steel from the garden
Changing to support this
Silverware, ketchup, pepper, and mustard.
We could try covering something in ketchup/mustard and then transmuting it into a different substance if we wanted to arrest movement OR create a protective layer.
Gold is pretty soft, but I'm not sure if a thick layer would be easy to tear apart or puncture.
If we can predict the angle of the wind right, we can make a show of pounding a lot of ground/structures to try and futilely hit Silver Chariot. Unbeknownst to Polnareff, however, we could transmute stuff to pepper as KC touches it, which can create an irritating cloud that could drift over to him.
We might also be able to transmute a tunnel underneath Polnareff by "burrowing" into the ground via rapid transmutation of material into ketchup/mustard.
Take pepper and mustard, absorb gold.
Or better yet, can we absorb multiple things at one time? We could turn 2 hands into condiments and the rest into gold.
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You decide to take the mustard and ketchup sachets with the pepper shaker before going back to the monkey statue to absorb some of the gold from it with Karma Chameleon.
"Alright, so you're finally ready?" Polnareff stands up from the stairs and summons his Silver Chariot, ready to fight.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0n8RWVTZZM
"Come!"
>Attack first
>Wait for him to attack
>Write in
>>Attack first
Anonymous (ID: ZxjOms70)
Anonymous (ID: ZxjOms70) 11/11/17(Sat)18:38:25 No.2062470
File: iuhjv08_by_dynamo1212-da2gswk.jpg (95 KB, 1024x576)
>Roll!
Let's test our metal/mettle.
KARMA KARMA KARMA KARMA KARMA
Whoops, keep thinking that I need to type in /roll instead of /dice
My pun...is AS GOOD AS GOLD!
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Rolls were so good i forgot to post my pic
Karma Chameleon jumps in and aims a punch at Silver Chariot's helmet. Polnareff only makes his stand place a hand where he predicted you to hit him without a care in the word.
It seems he's simply taking you for granted, time to show you how big he screwed up by doing that.
You aim at Chariot's helmet with one hand, only to hit his chestplate with your other hands. The fake out punch seemed to take him by surprise, making Polnareff wince at your attack.
Before he managed to recover, you follow up your punch with a swift flurry of fists. While your stand might not be the fastest, the strength of your punches along with your extra pair of arms is more than enough to give Silver Chariot a hard time escaping your grasp after being caught.
With one final punch, you manage to send Silver Chariot a few meters back, with an angry and slightly injured Polnareff looking at you.
Weird. You expected him to be in a much worse condition given how much of a beating you gave him...
"Damn yoou!" Polnareff shouts after making his Chariot stand up and fly at you with his sword at an amazing speed.
It seems he wants to try and get on the offensive side now.
>Meet his attack
>Dodge
>Block him
>Look for an opening and try to grab him and transform him into gold.
>Use the items in your pockets (Specify)
>look for an opening
Try to grab his blade/arm while pretending to just block the attack, then transform.
Probably didn't do much damage because we:re golden and therefore soft.
>>Block him
This. Also, soft as we are, we've still got a lot of weight behind our punches. Odds are we knocked the wind out of him but his bones are still intact from the equivalent of getting shot with a beanbag shotgun 20 times over.
I'll back this up.
Plus, Silver Chariot still has its armor on. That shit protected him from Magician's Red-tier fire with hardly a singed hair for his troubles.
Let's upgrade Silver Chariot to Gold Chariot!
Whoops, fucked up roll
SAVIOR!
>And the next thing you’re going to say is: “I’m going to turn you into a pincushion!”
We're gonna get to make all of the flaccid penis jokes ever once his sword bends.
Silver Chariot rushes in and starts slashing at Karma Chamaleon at an incredible high speed, You doubt you can do much than block since dodging all of those shots are out of the question.
However, the gold you absorbed from the monkey seems to save you from from Polnareff's blade, which is having a hard trouble penetrating Karma's skin due to the thickness of said material, making what was supposesd to be a flurry of mortal wounds strong enough to impale to be look as deep as if you were being stabbed by a bunch of pins really fast.
While your durability might keep you standing for now, his speed will most likely wear you down if you dont fight back so you have to watch for an opening.
Polnareff grows increasingly frustrated after noticing how easily you seem to be tanking his attacks, making it easier to see the timing of his attacks.
With one swift move, you manage to grab his hand before he could stab a wound in Karma's eye. Quickly turning his armor into gold.
"What? What is this?" Polnareff seems to crouch down in pain as the weigh of Chariot's Armor begin to take a toll on him. After completely turning him into gold, Silver Chariot falls to the ground with an audible "clang", struggling to stand up or move himself.
"Damn it... I shouldnt have left my guard down like that. If only i didnt let you absorb that golden monkey...things would have been a lot easier on my side..." Polnareff laments while trying his best to stand up.
He doenst seem able to put much more of a fight, what do you think you should do to him?
>Let him be. He already lost.
>Interrogate him. He might know something about Dio.
>Knock him out just in case he tries something funny.
>Interrogate him.
"Do you surrender? You're incapacitated, and I'd rather not kill a gentleman like yourself."
Though we have him on the ropes, he can still try something out of desperation. Let's knock him out and take a look for flesh buds and the like.
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"Now, before I have to ruin that nice new coat of paint..."
augh, messed up roll
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1000 KB PNG
Fug, he's gonna do something. But let's see if a Smug Anime Girl improves my roll.
"It's no fun if she wins everytime..."
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>Polnareff getting BTFO just like every time he tried shit in the actual fiction.
Legitimately though, if you want a narrative out, he could just dismiss Silver Chariot and then try to fight us himself, since we presumably walked right over to him and he's like three times our size.
Nah, you guys won it fair and square, no need to artificially prolong the fight.
Or the flesh bud is compelling him to do some really dishonorable stuff but he manages to resist visibly enough for the others to catch on.
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You hear a lound noise on the place Silver Chariot was. Taking a closer look, you noticed that his armor seems to have loosened up a bit. His stand tries to squirm to get off the ground, but the golden armor proves to be too heavy for him to get out.
"No! the armor was supposed to come off! I can't believe it..." Polnareff seemed to have a last trick up his sleeve. But transforming his armor into gold really did cut his legs short...
"Do you surrender?" You softly ask the frenchman. "You're incapacitated, and I'd rather not kill a gentleman like yourself."
Polnareff gives a slight chuckle at your comment.
"Even after all of that, you're still able to call me a gentleman? I guess it was obvious i wasnt able to kill a woman, even with all of my bluffing before... Not after Sherry..." Polnareff hangs his head down, physically and mentally defeated.
>Look for a flesh bud on him
>Ask about Dio
>Ask who Sherry is
>Ask how he knew about your stand.
we can ask questions after we've confirmed it's presence, and if it exists, removed it. If not, then questions can continue in a better environment
Call Jotaro over while we're at it. We might need his Stand's finger-surgeon skills really soon.
>>Look for a flesh bud on him
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While you're interest to know what he's talking about, you're afraid he might have a flesh bud on him. He doesnt really seem to be the type to kill people on a whim. You can definetly see his honor shining through Dio's orders. Could it be that his sense of self is strong enough to supress something as strong as Dio's mind control?
And sure enough, after pulling some of his hair back, you can definetly see a pink bug-like creature in his forehead.
"Jotaro, he has a flesh bud. Could you please help him out?" You ask Jotaro, who quietly summons Star Platinum and rushes over to you.
"Good job, Hitomi! You made it look so easy!" Joseph excitedly congratulates you.
"Not bad at all for your first one on one battle against a stand user." Avdol adds with a smile on his face.
"The gold you absorbed with Karma Chameleon made the fight completely one sided to you. That was truly amazing!" Kakyoin concludes, seeming surprised by your display of skill.
>(Blush) "Oh c'mon, guys. That was nothing special..."
>"He was a good opponent, but i managed to outsmart him."
>"Thanks a lot! That was one heck of a fight,though."
>"What should we do with Polnareff now?"
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>(Blush) "Oh c'mon guys, That was nothing special..."
Activate moe powers! We have to make them fight over us. Well, Jotaro, Kak and (maybe) Pol anyway. Joseph already has both a wife and a canonical fling with a Japanese woman, and Avdol is too mature to buy into this.
It also might make the Rubber Soul encounter far sillier.
btw, does our girl have her own jojo pose?
In all honesty, it could've gotten really ugly if he didn't insist on fighting fair and only aim for Karma Chameleon.
This was us getting very lucky. Polnareff giving us the first move is what made this a whole lot simpler. The good news is, at least, that we more than made up for our folly on the plane. Legit though, if he'd successfully ejected his armor, I'd have been all for tagging out to Avdol. There's just no way we'd be able to catch something so fast.
You are right, but I kinda wish he had taken off the armor so we could have done some tricks with the condiments. Oh well, I guess we could do some tests later.
Nope, it's on the to-do list for you all along with stand cries and catchphrases
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"Oh c'mon,guys. That was nothing special..." You feel your face getting red from the amount of compliments you received, so hopefully that makes things up after screwing up with the plane situation.
After Jotaro takes the flesh bud from Polnareff. He's finally free from Dio's control, so hopefully that'll make him more inclined to help.
After making his stand disappear. Polnareff looks up to you with a smile on his face.
"Hey, not bad. You totally had me on that fight." He says, gives you a thumbs up.
Polnareff seems to be a nice person, but you wonder how much he knows about Dio and the rest...
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https://twitter.com/TheDusterMan
I always forget to shill my Twitter, but its the best way to know when i'm starting a session so feel free to follow it.
Now that the session's over, do you guys feel like deciding Hitomi's catchphrase/pose/stand cries? Maybe ask anything else while we're at it?
Thanks for running, Duster!
Can't really think of anything catchphrase-related right now. Will try for later.
Thanks for running and goodnight.
Anonymous (ID: SM2g+1/N)
Anonymous (ID: SM2g+1/N) 11/11/17(Sat)23:27:34 No.2063575
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The only stand cry I can think of is ATATATATATATATA-WA-TAHHHHH! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svav1AWuOYA
As for a pose, this is one of the only ones i could think of
Anonymous (ID: QB1rMljA) 11/12/17(Sun)00:15:34 No.2063687
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Stand Cry: TAAAAKE THISANDTHATANDTHISANDTHAT AAAAAND THIS. Aka, KORESOREKORESOREKORESORE
Pose: Pic Related, specifically the one the two front arms are making.
Possible catchphrases: "Which of my four sleeves will my next trick come from~?" as a taunt, "Seriously?/!/..." as a general reaction to something, and, as a bonus one, "Enemy-kun..." followed by laughter.
Anonymous (ID: fBUqNpxb)
Anonymous (ID: fBUqNpxb) 11/12/17(Sun)14:51:12 No.2064674
OR, just "You bet!" As she said when they were prepping for the trip. It's just as hokey as "Good grief" and with a malicious sneer and zoom in on her face, it could be a really cool way to end a fight.
Anonymous (ID: 2MHNG8+x)
Anonymous (ID: 2MHNG8+x) 11/12/17(Sun)15:52:33 No.2064835
Now I want us to be the one who beats D'Arby the Gambler.
Turn his cards into glass so he can't do any trick shuffling! But honestly there's a greater prize on the horizon for me.
Getting Hol Horse as a party member.
Anonymous (ID: v0oOt5V+) 11/12/17(Sun)16:02:05 No.2064858
I just want her to get super jaded at everything and assume that everyone that happens to walk up to them or anything that even seems a little off is a stand user.
DusterMan (ID: MZOl5iRy)
DusterMan (ID: MZOl5iRy) 11/12/17(Sun)16:08:03 No.2064884
Hokuto No Ken? Fitting, but i also liked >>2063687. I think i'll make a poll on it if we get one more suggestion.
"You bet!" sounds nice so i think i'll use it unless someone comes up with something better.
Anonymous (ID: YXB7Jx/O)
Anonymous (ID: YXB7Jx/O) 11/12/17(Sun)17:48:46 No.2065168
catchphrase
>That was nothing special...
DusterMan (ID: MZOl5iRy) 11/13/17(Mon)20:58:06 No.2068194
http://www.strawpoll.me/14396699
DusterMan (ID: uidgbZ4z)
DusterMan (ID: uidgbZ4z) 11/14/17(Tue)10:35:36 No.2069889
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Back for more!
I hope you're all ready.
Anonymous (ID: v0oOt5V+) 11/14/17(Tue)10:38:22 No.2069892
Yo! glad I'm up early today...
Anonymous (ID: SM2g+1/N) 11/14/17(Tue)10:41:46 No.2069897
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rerorero
Now that Polnareff is free of Dio's mind control, it's pretty safe to say he'll be more inclined to helping. He's likely been with that flesh bud for a bit longer than Kakyoin, so out of everyone else you've met so far,he's probably the one who knows the most about Dio.
"I take it you have a few things to ask me?" Polnareff says, noticing everyone else in your traveling party approaching him with curiosity. "That's understandable. I guess i owe you all a few questions after all of this trouble. What do you wish to know?"
>Ask what he planned to do with his armor when you were fighting him.
>Ask him how he got his flesh bud
those are the imprtant questions. the other two can wait until later.
Anonymous (ID: F6Rn+ZZU)
Anonymous (ID: F6Rn+ZZU) 11/14/17(Tue)11:03:33 No.2069921
this and
>Does Dio have any underlings he specifically knows of
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It's best to take the most important questions out of the way first.
"How did you get this flesh bud on you, Polnareff?" You ask him.
"It's a long story, actually." Polnareff says with a more serious tone, his smile quickly disappearing as he reminds himself of what caused the loss of his free will.
"To be short. I was looking for the man who murdered my sister, Sherry Polnareff. Unfortunately, in my search for that man, i came across Dio. He implied that he knew the whereabouts of my sister's muderer, but it was just a trap. He ended up using his flesh bud on me and gave me the orders to kill all of you. No matter how hard i tried to resist, it seemed his presence couldnt get out of my head."
Kakoin subtly stopped making eye contact with Polnareff, seemingly relating to him in a way, while you and the others kept paying attention to his every word.
"But how did you know about my stand? You even knew my full name, there's no way you should be able to know that!" You ask again, wondering how such a thing could be possible.
"Dio's stand ability is nothing to be scoffed at." Polnareff says, unsure on how to explain how Dio's stand works. "It's like he's omniscient or something, he's able to look deep inside a person's heart and know all about them with it as long as he has some sort of connection with said person. And since he was able to contol me remotely, he gave me his knowledge about you, your friends, and where to look to get rid of you."
>Wait, you saw Dio's stand?
>Does Dio have any underlings you know of?
>What exactly happened to your sister?
Anonymous (ID: 1jlRb6y9) 11/14/17(Tue)11:34:45 No.2069960
>>Wait, you saw Dio's stand?
>so, that means he knows we beat you? We have to move then.
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"Wait a minute..." You say in surprise to Polnareff's previous statement. Did he just say he caught a glimpse of Dio's stand, that's definetly something worth questioning him.
"Well yeah. he stretched out his hand over to a crystall ball and was able to show some visions related to my past and present while some purple came out of his arm. There's no way he should be able to know that, so i figured it must be his stand ability."
"But that's how my stand works!" Joseph interrupts Polnareff while showing Hermit Purple. "I've been using it for months to try to get a clue on where Dio's hiding."
"Two Hermit Purples?" Kakyoin asks in confusion
"Is it really possible to share the same exact stand with another person?" Avdol ponders.
"So that means he knows we beat you?" You ask Polnareff, unsure of how aware Dio really is of our actions.
"I'm afraid so." Joseph answers before Polnareff has a chance to respond. "That bastard probably has been using his stand for as long as me, if not longer..."
"The old man and i had a feeling we were constantly being watched these pasts few days, but i didnt think it was anything more than sheer paranoia." Jotaro adds. "Seeing how easy Dio can pinpoint our location, i take it our journey wont be as easy as we expected..."
This turned out to be an incredibly fruitful information you managed to obtain, but aside from its use outside of battle, Hermit Purple doesnt seem to have an amazing performance in battles, he wouldnt be able to pose such a threat to users like Polnareff and Avdol if that's the limit of his stand abilities, would he?"
"Well, i hope that helped you guys out." Polnareff says while standing up and stretching his arms. "That's about all i know from Dio, so if you dont have any more questions, i'll be leaving now."
> I still have something else to ask (Specify)
>Where are you going?
>Don't you want to come with us?
nice digits
Holy quads, dusterman!
>I still have something else to ask (What exactly happened to your sister?)
if he does come with us, then we can ask some more personal questions.
also, activate MAX PARANOIA STRATS. if anyone crosses our path, STAND USER. That lady over there? STAND USER. that baby? STAND USER. That wall? STAND USER. assume if theres an issue, its probably a stand. although, she probably wouldn't assume the later two would be stand users, since she wouldn't figure inanimate objects or babies could use stands...
Anonymous (ID: XWUUyMMU) 11/14/17(Tue)12:16:39 No.2070010
>> I still have something else to ask (Specify)
oh shit, Forgot to mention to ask for any stand users he knows that works under dio, as well.
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>That stand is a stand user
Anonymous (ID: QB1rMljA) 11/14/17(Tue)12:39:30 No.2070028
Honestly, I think him coming along might be a bit of a risk in and of itself, considering that means another person to keep track of, and near as we can tell his mission is to get rid of whoever killed his sister. His mission is not really the same as ours, so unless we find that guy, he's got no reason to follow anyway.
"D-do you know any stand users that might work under Dio?" You ask him. If he's been controlled by Dio for so long, he has to know at least one person...
"Aside from the man i'm looking for? Not really. I wasnt looking for anything else at the time, so even if i did i wouldnt really consider important enough to remember. Now, if you'll excuse me..." Polnareff starts walking towards the stairs.
"W-wait!" You say to Polnareff, trying to hide the panic you've been feeling since you have realizing you're constantly being watched by Dio. "Dont you want to come with us? You'd be a great ally to our team with Silver Chariot..."
Polnareff silently puts some thought into your offer.
"I agree. We have until tomorrow morning for the Speedwagon Foundation to arrive with our boat to Singapore, so you have plenty of time to decide until then." Joseph informs Polnareff "You're free to meet us at the harbor to say goodbye, at least."
"I've always worked by myself. So i'm not sure how well i would go with a group like yours, and i don't really plan on fighting Dio or whatever you guys intend to do, all i want is to find the man who killed Sherry. Nothing more, nothing else.
Joseph seems to frown at the Frenchman's response, along with Kakyoin and Avdol.
"But i cant deny that you've all helped me greatly by freeing me of Dio's control. So maybe you'd be good enough to trust for a short while... Fine, i'll consider your offer, but don't count on it." Polnareff concludes, continuing to walk down the stairs. "Farewell, Gentlemen. And thanks a lot, Mademoiselle Furuya."
You're not really sure on what to think of Polnareff's answer, but you guess you'll just have to wait until tomorrow to know.
"Well, this turned out to be a lot easier than i expected..." Joseph says, surprised at the peaceful conclusion to the fight with Polnareff.
"It'd be a shame if he refuses, we could be losing a great ally..." Kakyoin laments while looking at the frenchman from a distance.
"You said we were staying here until tomorrow morning?" Jotaro asks his grandfather.
"Yeah, i think we might need to look for a place to stay in while we still have the time." Joseph says while also walking towards the stairs, prompting everyone to follow him.
After finding a good hotel, you found a good room to stay by yourself while Jotaro shared a room with Kakyoin and Joseph shared another one with Avdol, before the next day came along, you decided to pass the time hanging out with...
>Avdol
>Joseph
Anonymous (ID: 9ThPx1jY)
Anonymous (ID: 9ThPx1jY) 11/14/17(Tue)13:13:28 No.2070084
>>Joseph
let's pester him about Hamon and what he thinks/knows about Dio sharing his Stand ability
he seems like areliquary of knowledge. pilage that shit.
Wonder what would happen if Karma copied a material that had an active current of Hamon running through it.
We have to confirm if he actually did plan that stuff involving hidden stuff in the restaurant, or if that was just a fluke that didn't come into play.
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Between Dio's supposed stand, his knowledge of hamon, and his apparent attempt at helping you out against Silver Chariot, it seems you have a lot to talk with when it comes to Joseph."
You look for him on Avdol's room. There, Avdol informs you that he's on the rooftop, savouring the leftovers from your visit to the restaurant.
After getting to the rooftop, you see him savouring some of the stewed fish alone on a table.
"Hey there!" He greets you with a wave after noticing you. "Care to join me? i also saved some rice porridge if you want."
>Sure (Sit down and eat)
>Nah, im not hungry
>>Sure (Sit down and eat)
Anonymous (ID: HYACbW2Q)
Anonymous (ID: HYACbW2Q) 11/14/17(Tue)13:34:02 No.2070124
"Sure." You gladly say to the middle aged man.
You pull a chair and sit down across him at the table while sharing some of the rice porridge he brought.
"You know, it's been a while since i've eaten so many different kinds of food. When you get used to living in America, anything that's not fast food or highly carbonated on a restaurant is really surprising to your tastebuds.Sure, some places are better than others, but it's always worth eating at different places, it's a surprise for you every time." He says while eating his meal.
>"Agreed. It's fun to try out different meals out here."
>"I still think nothing beats the food back home, to be honest."
>Ask him what he thinks of Polnareff.
>Ask about Dio's stand.
>Ask him again about Hamon.
>Ask him what he did when he was younger.
>Agreed, it's fun to try out different meals out here.
Anyone who thinks to stash condiments must have been up to some major shenanigans when he was young.
>>"Agreed. It's fun to try out different meals out here."
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"I agree. It's fun to try out different meals out here." You say to Joseph, making him smile.
It's amazing to see how energetic Joseph is. Even though he's wise and mature when he needs to, he's pretty enthusiastic about traveling around the world to hunt down an evil vampire. He sure seems experienced, but you dont really know what made him that way.
As curiosity got the better of you, you decide to ask Joseph what he did on his younger days, back when he was a teenager.
"Most people wouldnt believe it if i said i was hunting down Pillar Men thousands of year older than me that wanted to take over the world, but somehow i think you will." He chuckles to himself. "To be honest, i still dont know how i won against them, being as lazy and overconfident as i was back then. It was probably a mixture of skill and pure luck, the tricks i used in battle werent really expected of the average fighter, so being random was really good when it came to fighting."
>What exactly was a Pillar Man?
>Anything as weird as saving condiments for a stand battle?
>How was your family back then?
>How often did you have to fight?
Fun fact, one of them is still alive.
Santana was never killed, only incapacitated.
>>What exactly was a Pillar Man?
"Anything as weird as saving condiments for a stand battle?" you say while giggling to yourself.
"Well, there was that one time i made a dove go inside my friends mouth-- Wait, so that's what you thought that was?" Joseph asks after interrupting himself.
"Yeah, didnt you bring the food there for me to absorb?"
"Oh! I just brought it because i wanted to save it for later, i didnt even understand why you asked for the food back there!" He says while laughing.
Okay, maybe that one was just pure coincidence... As smart as Joseph is, you cant really expect him to be prepared for everything.
Going back to the topic at hand, he has mentioned these Pillar men a couple of times, but he never really told you what they were.
"Try to think of a vampire, only tougher, wiser, faster and stronger. If it werent for them, i doubt the vampires would even exist. You see, there was one of them named Kars that wished to achieve the Perfect Life Form by using the Red Stone Of Aja along with the ancient stone masks he created so he could walk on daylight and be at full power.While he created many unsucessful masks, they were all strong enough to turn regular humans into vampires, prompting us humans to develop the Hamon technique as a means of defending ourselves.As tough as they were, they still went down pretty easily with a good charge."
Interesting. But how many Pillar Men did he have to fight?
"They were thought to be extinct by the time i was alive, but 4 of them awoke from a deep slumber after hundreds of years, one of them being Kars, trying to achieve perfection again. But thankfully me, my mother and my friend Caesar managed to stop them all."
>Was this Kars stronger than Dio?
>Ask about his mother
>Ask about Caesar
>Ask him if he remembered anything about Hamon he could teach to the group.
>>Was this Kars stronger than Dio?
Anonymous (ID: I/T0JAHh)
Anonymous (ID: I/T0JAHh) 11/14/17(Tue)15:07:02 No.2070304
>>Ask him if he remembered anything about Hamon he could teach to the group.
Is this not what we came up here for?
Dio might be a little mad that all his (vampiric) power just amounts to a pillar man's failed experiments. We should absolutely point that out to him when the fight comes around.
>Ask if he knows where that red stone ever ran off to.
Anonymous (ID: YXB7Jx/O) 11/14/17(Tue)15:32:34 No.2070354
>But thankfully me, my mother and my friend Caesar managed to stop them all."
>not mentioning best jobro Stroheim
Maybe talking about being buddies with Nazis to a school girl woud look a bit weird for him.
Could've still just said my friends Caesar, and Stroheim
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"Was this Kars stronger than Dio?" You ask Joseph as your curiosity grows by the minute.
"Hm... It's hard to say now, since we dont know how good of a stand user Dio is, but the Piller Men were able to absorb humans using their body, so i doubt Dio would stand any chance back when he was standless. Hell, i still doubt he could beat him now if he fought Kars when he turned into the ultimate life form..."
After? So Kars did achieve perfection?
"Yup. I doubt i'll ever have a tougher fight in my life than Ultimate Kars. He could shift any part of his body into any animal and do whatever he wished to, i'm pretty sure he was immortal at that point too. I threw the guy at a lava pit and all he did was come back even angrier, even my Hamon attacks did nothing to him. I thought i would die there, but the Stone of Aja somehow protected me."
The stone that made Kars perfect? How did that even happen?
"Well, the power that stone had was to amplify any light source by a million times like a laser beam. since he wasnt limited to being a vampire, he managed to replicate a Hamon charge to kill me right there. That's when i blocked his chop with the stone, the laser activated on top of the volcano, making an eruption so strong it managed to send him into space."
"That's... incredibly convenient..." You say back to him after hearing the absurdity of that story.
"I couldnt believe it myself either, he's probably still out there in space since he cant die. It was a tough battle and it cost me my left arm, but i won, and that's all that really mathers.
Left arm? So that's why it felt so weird when you shook his hand...
"Yeah, it's why i wear gloves all the time, it doesnt really bother me though. It works just as well as a real one."
With how fun that story was, it reminded yourself on how useful Hamon would be against Dio, so you ask him if he already remembered how to teach Hamon to other people.
"I think i do actually.It's one of the first things i learned while mastering hamon. All i need to do is hit your esophagus with a good Hamon charge. Do you feel like trying it out?"
>It's worth a shot.
>That sounds as bit dangerous... are you sure this is going to work?
Anonymous (ID: y7TcXlc8)
Anonymous (ID: y7TcXlc8) 11/14/17(Tue)16:02:01 No.2070414
Squawk in surprise at the idea, but then gather ourself and say "It's worth a shot."
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I feel like Hitomi's monologue suffers from Solid Snake-Syndrome judging by how many times she asks questions to herself.
>hitomi is just feale solid snake
I could live with this
Anonymous (ID: aRXdf9r4)
Anonymous (ID: aRXdf9r4) 11/14/17(Tue)16:15:58 No.2070435
Dropped your M there mate. Think you meant female.
The original Metal gear came out 1987. Guess when stardust crusaders takes place?
The infiltration of Dio's mansion is going to be a sneaking mission
By the time he's finished talking, you're holding the urge to squeal with joy. Learning Hamon seems amazing! Imagine killing Dio with one shot!
Then again, getting a hit on your esophagus doesnt seem like a comfortable feeling...
"Of course! it's worth a shot if it means we can bring Dio down with ease." You say back to him with a big smile on your face.
"Are you sure about this? I'm not sure if it will work. I might just hurt you accidentally."
"I'm the one who asked for this, remember? It's all on me if doesnt work." You warn Joseph.
"Alright then, just breathe in and close your eyes and i'll count to three." Joseph says while breathing heavily, probably charging his Hamon to it's fullest.
>Breath in and close your eyes
>I've changed my mind, this looks too dangerous...
"I trust you."
Anonymous (ID: 7FxdYMZd)
Anonymous (ID: 7FxdYMZd) 11/14/17(Tue)16:30:45 No.2070460
>>Breath in and close your eyes
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Dice gods, please, if there is one thing to not screw us on, it's this! ATA!
If this ain't enough to at least let us try again another time, I call shenanigans.
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Jeez. Even Jonathan would be proud of that roll.
I knew calling upon the power of the hokuto no ken would triumph!
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Anonymous (ID: C1ZoazPD) 11/14/17(Tue)17:02:57 No.2070531
>Hitomi stumbles back, winded
>falls into a rustic wooden chair made of log parts
>chair starts to sprout leaves and flowers
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I was about to say, imagine if we finally use our doll on Karma Chameleon, and then channel Hamon into it. OUR STAND IS A GIANT TREE NOW!
"It's alright Mr Joestar, i trust you." You say before breathing in and closing your eyes to a smiling Joseph. It seems your words probably gave him a big confident boost.
"One...." He starts counting after seeing you were ready.
"Two...." His breathing gets audibly louder as you hear something similar to electric spark sounds in the distance.
"Three!" Joseph shouts as his finger hits you at the pit of your stomach with full force. You wince back and fall on your knees as Joseph holds his position. You feel all the air leave your lungs while the sparks coming from Joseph's arms make you feel a heat spread around your body as if you've turned into Magician's Red.
"Easy now... try to breathe in again..." Joseph calmly says to you. That's easy for him to say, when you try to breathe in you just end up coughing up. You think you're just going to vomit if this keeps up.
"Try it again, slower this time. Do it like i'm doing it right now."
You try to mimic his slow, rhythmic breathing. It's hard at first considering you're gasping for air, but after the panic fades in, you start to breathe normally. Joseph finally lets go of you, but instead of the heat dissipating, you only feel it grow even stronger.
"We did it!" Joseph says while helping you stand up. "You've learned Hamon! How are you feeling?
You feel some sparks of light coming out of your body. Everytime you breath in, you feel like you have enough energy to run a marathon, and everytime you breath out, you feel strong enough to blow a wall away.
It seems you've sucessfully become a Hamon user.
>What now?
>I feel amazing!
>Is it normal to feel really hot when breathing?
>>Is it normal to feel really hot when breathing?
>Do you really feel like this all the time?
>So how many people besides you and me can do this now?
"I feel amazing, Mr. Joestar!" you excitedly say to the middle aged man. "Do you really feel like this all the time?"
"Not really, it usually fades away after a few seconds when you stop focusing on it. Hamon is focused on breathing, afterall, so if you dont keep the rhythm, the charges will stop coming.
Surely enough, after your breathing resumes to a regular pace, the heat seems to cool down as your body goes back to its current state. It doesnt look like something easy to mantain...
"Is it normal to feel really hot when breathing?" You ask, not really sure how this works just yet.
"You'll get used to it after the first few times. Here, have some water if it makes you feel any better" Joseph says as he hands you over a glass of water.
You hold the glass with your finger tips and lift it up to gulp the water down, only to realize the water isnt coming down. It's completely stationary, as if you're holding a glass of ice in your hands.
"Wow, Hitomi! You're a natural at this. I wasnt able to do that for the longest time. Dont worry, you just have to grip the glass with your palm rather than with your fingertips."
After following Joseph's advice, the water turns back to its regular state. Making it easier for you to drink and cool your body down.
"While practicing is key to become a more powerful Hamon user, some abilities work passively. Now your breathing will be permanently longer and stronger than a normal human while also slowing your aging to a grinding halt. Now, do you have any questions?"
>Aging? How old are you again?
>How many people besides you and me can do this now?
>What else can Hamon do?
>Can you teach me anything else about it?
>Can you try this with the rest of the group?
Go go gadget common sense!
>>What else can Hamon do?
>>Can you teach me anything else about it?
>>Can you try this with the rest of the group?
How do you keep your breathing at the right rhythm during a fight? Seems like it'd be easy to panic and start breathing wrong.
I imagine it's only going to work with us and maybe Jotaro. We more than likely lucked out on the genetics/aptitude needed to get it to work. That being said I can't see Jotaro practicing these breathing exercises.
Anonymous (ID: iN8yAwTX)
Anonymous (ID: iN8yAwTX) 11/14/17(Tue)18:25:34 No.2070685
Might as well continue to practice breathing in that manner. Practice makes perfect.
Surely enough, there's probably more to hamon than frying monsters and feeling hot.
"What else can Hamon do?" You ask Joseph.
"Since you're emulating the sun's energy with your own body, you're able to store and disperse this energy depending on what object you charge it on, something very similar to what your stand already does. You can also heal a lot of wounds and even walk and water. The sky's the limit as long as you're breathing."
Incredible, imagine the possibilities of Hamon while fighting. Dio wont stand a chance if everyone manages to grasp this ability.
"Can you try this with the rest of the group?" You say while still badly containing your excitment.
"Well it's pretty early, so i doubt that they'll be sleeping at this time. but i doubt it will work on all of them, even now that i know the technique. only one in ten thousand bear the aptitude capable of using it, and the main characteristic of a user comes from the pressure one has felt or will feel through harsh situations in life. Even the best Hamon mansters have failed to activate Hamon on ceirtan people."
Damn. What a bummer, you hope at least one of them can make it then...
"Is there anything else you can teach me?" You ask Joseph one more time.
"Not now. I'll have to go and have this conversation with everyone else on the team, so i'd take a while to actively learn new moves. For now it's best to focus on controlling your breathing first."
Joseph stands up after finishing his meal, waves you goodbye and goes downstairs.
What now?
>Go to your room
>Try to focus your breathing.
Maybe take a walk/jog too. Get some exercise. We'll need it where we're going.
>Go to your room.
Double Zeroes demand we do nothing more for tonight.
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>>Try to focus your breathing.
Anonymous (ID: pGV+Nplj)
Anonymous (ID: pGV+Nplj) 11/14/17(Tue)18:36:59 No.2070712
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Roll for breathing
Anonymous (ID: O5nQAmJT)
Anonymous (ID: O5nQAmJT) 11/14/17(Tue)18:45:05 No.2070737
Breathe in, breathe out
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Good enough for now.
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After some time, you go downstairs to your room and try to practice your Hamon and focus on your breathing for the rest of the night.
You can definetly feel the heat coming in your first few inhales, but the slightest movement from your body alters your breathing, making you go from 100 to zero in an instant.
This is probably going to take a while...
You sit down on your bed and try to maintan your breathing without moving an inch. It takes you around two hours to keep the Hamon Breathing for longer than a minute, by the time you give up, you feel like you've had a week's worth of full body workouts.
Strangely enough, you're not really feeling sweaty. In fact your skin has been hardening ever since you started focusing your breathing, and you might be just seeing things, but after taking a shower and looking at the mirror, you could swear you've gained some muscle mass. Is it really possible to look as fit as an athlete by breathing alone?
While not exactly satisfied with the results, you feel like you've made enough progress for a day, hopefully someone else has also developed the ability, but after such an intense breathing session, you feel its best to ask this tomorrow at the harbor.
After waking up and packing your things, you exit the hotel walk towards the harbor, it seems Joseph went out with Kakyoin and Avdol first to get in contact with the ship's captain that'll lead you all to Singapore. Since the Harbor's fairly close to your hotel, getting there wasnt particularly hard, but it's still weird to go out without any of them guiding you.
When you get there, you see Jotaro observing the sea while lighting a cigarette. After noticing you, he adjusts his hat and turns over to you, placing the lit cigarette on his mouth.
>Good morning, Jotaro.
>Ask him if Joseph teached him Hamon.
>Ask where everyone else is.
>Ask how Holly is doing.
>Stay quiet and wait for the ship.
Also, notify him to not be alarmed if we start glowing and breathing weird.
Anonymous (ID: deGUi/ch)
Anonymous (ID: deGUi/ch) 11/14/17(Tue)19:32:00 No.2070849
>Good morning, Jotaro
>Ask how Holly is doing
>>Good morning, Jotaro.
>Ask if he notices anything different about us.
Gotta do that totally not flirting thing.
Anonymous (ID: v5y+p5fh) 11/14/17(Tue)19:55:30 No.2070910
Lol, I wish you had posted this earlier.
I will also support this in addition to my post:
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Didnt think people would try to hit on Jotaro of all people this early on.
Anonymous (ID: /5j80c+Q)
Anonymous (ID: /5j80c+Q) 11/14/17(Tue)20:01:51 No.2070927
Yo I'm surprised it didn't happen earlier.
They better be prepared for his autism.
Not gonna lie, I'm supporting it because it'll rustle his jimmies and that's absolutely hilarious. It's up to Hitomi to lighten up the mood given how everyone's either stoic, serious, or comic relief via slapstick.
It's testing the waters. Kak can get his own soon enough, and Pol...will inevitably find time for us himself, especially if he notices the other two making moves.
But our heart truly belongs to only one person: Hol Horse.
Toruc !R5XwTW/QQo (ID: 3g3n6DrS)
Toruc !R5XwTW/QQo (ID: 3g3n6DrS) 11/14/17(Tue)20:03:58 No.2070937
Dude, it's Jotaro. The best boi. Plus, we know what happens to Kyakoin, so unless we can prevent it, people will avoid it due to "Classic DM shenanigans."
>Hol Horse
>Not Hamon
>Not perfecting hamon to heights and extremes, attaining immortality and ability to melt humans as easily as vampires
Time to find a single scarab beetle and poke its underbelly, turning our stand into a perfect extension of our hamon abilities
Time to find a red ajah stone and absorb it.
It doesn't need to be a big one, like kars needed. Only the smallest amount is necessary.
"Good morning, Jotaro." You greet the tall teenager while looking for the rest of your group. "Do you know where everyone else is?"
"Hey." he replies to your greeting. "A man from the Speedwagon Foundation showed up, so they're probably negociating or something, they'll most be back in a few minutes."
After that, he simply stops talking and continues to smoke.
Well, since it doesnt look like's going to keep the conversation going, you might as well change the subject to something that'll get a reaction from him.
"Did you notice anything different about me, Jotaro?" You say to him while giving cheeky smile.
Jotaro places a hand on his chin while absorbing you head to toe. "Your clothes don't look any different from what you usually wear, so no. Why are you asking this anyway? Stop talking in that annoying tone. It's annoying."
You visibly frown after hearing Jotaro's response. Sheesh, no need to be so harsh.
"It's my Hamon training. Joseph managed to turn me into a Hamon user yesterday. Did he try to teach you too?" You ask Jotaro.
"I doubt he will." Jotaro grunts. "After he failed to do it with Kakyoin, the old man tried to convince me how i had the biggest chance and whatnot, but it's hard to convince me while there's a student puking on the floor due to what he did. You two can have fun with your Hamon breathing, but i'm not interested."
An awkward silence passes after he says that, so you cant think of anything else to say to lighten the mood after that.
Fortunately, you can 3 figures resembling your friends walking towards you while a ship approaches to the pier. Strangely enough, Jotaro seems to be looking at the man approaching in the opposite direction.
"...Polnareff?"
Jotaro, you wimp
Don't be so afraid of a little bit of puking
Best case scenario, you get wicked awesome superpowers to go with your wicked awesome stand poweres
Meh, let him be an ass. We'll just learn to be super awesome with our hamon and he'll just have to live with missing out on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tdu4uKSZ3M
Thanks for running!
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Thanks a lot for playing.
These past few sessions have been really surprising.
Hitomi has pretty much hit the jackpot by learning Hamon, i wasnt even expecting her to suceed, so it'll be cool to see how things will turn out from now. Any thoughts to share?
Next step is to get the red stone of aja, and turn all the streets of cairo into red stone
Thanks for running, Dust!
Did Avdol fancy a go on the Hamon ride?
Since Dio is spying on the group every so often, how did he react or how will he react to Hitomi developing a potentially really strong Stand and also being a Hamon prodigy?
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>Hitomi starts out as an ordinary japanese schoolgirl
>gets roped into vampires, hamon, and reality-breaking stands
>learns how powerful stands can be and how fragile human life truly is
>wants to proactively power up to deal with threats of increasing danger/scale as JoJo parts go on
>eventually delves deep into Stand Arrow and Stone Mask shenanigans
>friends don't even recognize her anymore
>starts to prioritize gaining power over safety of friends/family
>mfw
ends with her being the real villain of part 6, stealing over heaven for herself
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Have fun looking for it. It's either at the bottom of the ocean or floating around in outer space.
Avdol didnt really feel like trying it out either. Magician's Red is already reliant on heat and powerful energy bursts so he didnt really consider learning a new ability that does pretty much the same thing his stand has done for all his life. While Joseph didnt exactly agree, he can see where Avdol is coming from, so he didnt pressure him about it.
Dio's mildly surprised at how quickly you're evolving as a fighter, and the Hamon might be a bit of a hassle when you two finally meet. But he's still pretty confident of his victory.
>Mfw you guys made think of Karma Over Heaven
I'm not 100% sure, but weren't there other specimens of the same stone that kars tried to use, which failed due to not being large enough and/or containing flaws?
I might be seriously misremembering it, though. I haven't brushed up on my battle tendency in a mclong fuckin time
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Well thought anon, we gonna make our own philosopher stone. Time to go full metal alchemist.
There are. Kars showed Esidisi one of them before crushing it because it was too small for their purposes.
It also turns out that he has a huge-ass pile of stone masks with Aja-stone holes in them. I'd guess those are his experimental attempts at making an Aja-powered stone mask that would fully pierce their brains.
Anonymous (ID: lREBgwn5)
Anonymous (ID: lREBgwn5) 11/14/17(Tue)21:23:18 No.2071208
Can Joseph's stand help determine Either? Although I'm expecting kind of the following:
"Ey yo, joseph, can you locate that stone using your stand?"
>stone surrounded by pitch black
"Well, it's either space or the bottom of the ocean."
Maybe if we had a piece of whatever the red stone is made of, we can use kameleon to make a makeshift one...
We wanted to be snake, but turns out we were more like para-medic.
We absolutely should ask Joseph if the speedwagon foundation could track down even a small piece of aja, then
Just imagine the raw power that an Aja Karma Chameleon could utilize
At present, Hitomi doesn't really know that much about the Red Stone to appreciate its effects. It's likely that Joseph not might really feel the need to tell Hitomi either. Hell, Joseph didn't even consider using it as a weapon against Kars until the very end.
Remember that Dio is watching us with Jonathan's hermit at every moment. He might intercept the stone before it gets to us. Now that I think of it, we should brainstorm a way to impede Dio from spying us. Maybe if we talk only with our stands he wont be able to hear us?
We know it can amplify light. We get just a small piece, we could turn Karma Chameleon into a death laser in the light, fatal to vampires. Just a death laser by iteslf seems awesome and has uses. I don't doubt it'd be hard to figure out though... if Chameleon can change how the imperfections are done, maybe she can figure out a way to replicate it, but it'd take a long ass time to get just the right imperfections to replicate the red stone of aja. might be able to do just a red stone in the mean time though.
>captcha stop road
screw you captcha, i'm continuing with this line of thought
On one hand, i doubt he'd care. the world, from his POV, is invincible. and it basically is. Only way to stop it without timestop of your own would be to part 2 joseph it super hard and make him stand right where you want to at the end of the timestop itself to set off some kind of trap, and even then that'd be difficult to pull off
The only trap I can think of is having a UV light shining in an area he intends to travel to without him knowing it's there. Even if he stops time, the light is still shining and therefore still exists in the stopped time. Heck, if he destroys the light source, time still has to resume for the light to cease shining. Alternatively, we find a material, like Quartz or Fluorite, and have Karma Chameleon turn into it. Shine a light directly through it. It will block regular light, but not UV light. That being said we'd need 3 people minimum for that plan to work: one to keep DIO busy/held down, one to operate the light, and ourselves to be the lens the light passes through.
in which case, jotaro would still be the best case to fight him, since that would require possibly sacrificing a member for a plan that may or may not work vs have jotaro yare yare daze him and beat him down to the point where either they're both tired and even with the world, it'd be easy enough to finish him off, or jotaro straight up kills him.
this is mostly just meta discussion though, considering we don't know about the specific ability of jotaro or dio's stands.
This. As far as Hitomi knows that gem is one of a kind, especially by the way Joseph told the story. So even with what >>2071205 being true, looking for red gems good enough to replicate the Aja stone would be kinda difficult for the quest given how:
1. The Speedwagon Foundations focuses on securing and containing supernatural items and entities. Giving away their locations would probably go against standard protocol, even if Joseph approved of letting you look for the gems which neither him or you have a good reason to do so.
2. Karma Chameleon isnt Crazy Diamond. She can't fix a stone and freely replicate it, she can only mimic it's imperfection and transform change an object's composition with it. Making a copy of something she's never seen would probably be hard too.
3. Aja Chameleon would be pretty unbalanced. The Aja Stone was strong enough to erupt Kars into space and it was about 1 inch tall. a 5 foot Aja stone would be probably be enough to destroy everything present on Cairo to smitherines. You guys are strong enough to stand a chance against Dio without resorting to this.
>its the nuclear option
Granted, the slightest imperfection being imitated would reduce Aja Chameleon's effectiveness drastically
You forget that the eruption was partly because of the red stone and partly because of Ultimate Kars's Ultimate Hamon.
Oh well, the power gaming was fun while it lasted. But dont worry guys, i'm sure we will find a way to break the Quest, sooner or later.
Oh right
It was like 1000x1000, instead of 1x1000
Aw. Seems I might have to give up on death laser chameleon then...
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Another fireworks display
(Any changes between a married PhD and an unmarried student?)
Standing two blocks away from Taipei 101, I saw 2007 become the past when the fireworks display ushered in 2008 with a bang atop the world's tallest building. Again I shared this moment with the same woman as last year.
SONY won two consecutive bids for the sponsorship of the 2006 and the 2007 fireworks countdown and therefore had 2006 BRAVIA by Sony and 2007 SONY BRAVIA displayed at the tower in respective events. This year the governmental Tourism Bureau is the sponsor so the tag line is 2008 ♥ TAIWAN, showing no commercial brand name.
Rumour has it that this would become the last annual pyrotechnic show at Taipei 101 because the building is expected to reach full occupancy by the end of 2008 and thus space for holding fireworks displays will no longer be available. In addition, the occupiers may not grant permission to instal the sponsor's illuminations on the exterior of their offices. Hence, my first new year's countdown with fireworks at Taipei 101 after I tied the knot may become the last.
Whether the fireworks takes place again next year, this year's show could prove to be the last time Taipei 101 brings in the new year as the tallest building in the world, because this building will lose the title to another skyscraper, the Dubai Tower, in late 2008 (I thought it was Shanghai World Financial Centre that would supersede Taipei 101, but according to CTBUH, it wouldn't).
I hope wherever I am at year end, I'll still be able to count down to 2009 with my wife, even though we have to count one more day in February 2008.
Watch the video clip and see if the spectacular display of 12,000 rounds of fireworks at a cost of 646,000 USD has outshone last year's show.
cacv12000 said...
I say by looking at the pictures, married PhD Wei is very confident and open while unmarried student Wei is protective and uncertain about the future.
PCR song
Facebook and masala bhangra
Green or blue?
In Fountain I met KKBox
Between Japanese nymphs and Western stunners
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Written by catherine• January 20, 2023• 5:05 am• Science & Technology • Views: 2
Amazon employees say they were laid off by email: ‘Your role has been eliminated’
Amazon’s laid-off employees have complained that the e-commerce giant is using email to allow them to know they aren’t any longer needed by the corporate, in response to a report published today.
At least five staff who were laid off Wednesday said they received a cold-blooded letter from management in response to Insider.
“Unfortunately, your role has been eliminated,” Beth Galetti, Amazon’s director of human resources, wrote in an email.
“You now not should do any work on behalf of Amazon with immediate effect.”
The Seattle-based e-commerce giant is removing 18,000 jobs from its payroll as a part of cost-cutting measures.
Five former employees said none of them had been called to face-to-face with their supervisors before being fired.
“Everyone is kind of nervous,” said one cannery employee. “We just woke up today and received an email.”
Amazon plans to chop 18,000 jobs as a part of cost-cutting measures. Pictured is CEO Andy Jassy.
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Immediately after receiving the message, the laid-off employees said their office IDs had stopped working and so they had been cut off from the corporate’s internal computer system.
“Our primary mode of communication will likely be internal email in your non-Amazon device,” Galetti wrote in an email.
To add insult to injury, laid-off employees have been told that since they’ll now not access their work computers, they have to add work emails and Amazon’s Chime video conferencing app to their personal devices, in response to Insider.
An Amazon spokesperson advisable The Post to an announcement from Amazon CEO Andy Jassywhich said earlier this month that management was “deeply aware that these role eliminations are hard on people and we do not take these decisions flippantly or take flippantly how much they’ll affect the lives of those affected.”
The laid-off staff criticized the best way management informed them of the layoff.
Other tech giants akin to Microsoft, Meta, Snap and Twitter have also downsized amid economic uncertainty across the tech sector.
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella circulated a company-wide memo on Wednesday announcing that the software giant Windows would lay off about 5% of its 221,000 employees – or 10,000 staff – off the payroll.
A number of hours before Nadella’s memo was sent to employees, Microsoft hired Sting, the famous rocker of “The Police”, to perform at an intimate meeting of fifty people on the sidelines of the annual World Economic Forum in Davos, in response to The Wall Street Journal.
Galetti’s email to the dismissed Amazonians was sent with the topic “Subject: Important Information About Your Role.”
“Today we’re taking the very difficult step of reducing roles in several of our firms,” Galetti wrote in an email received by Insider.
“Unfortunately, your role has been eliminated.”
Employees said their office badges immediately stopped working after receiving the e-mail.
“This isn’t a call that has been taken flippantly, and we’re committed to providing support to facilitate the transition from Amazon, including separation payments, country-specific transition advantages, and third-party job placement services,” the e-mail reads.
Laid-off staff at other firms which might be reducing staff during turbulent economic times said the best way they were told in regards to the layoff left a foul taste of their mouths.
Last week, several bankers who were busted by Wall Street investment giant Goldman Sachs told The Post they’d been invited to “meetings” at the corporate’s New York headquarters via calendar invitation emails – only to for his or her team boss to inform them they have been fired.
One source told The Post that the meeting, to which the laid-off staff were invited, was “arrange [their] calendar under false pretenses.
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Featured in MIT News: Characterizing tau aggregates in neurodegenerative diseases: New research reveals a structural model for amyloid fibrils that could aid in future medicinal interventions for Alzheimer’s, CTE, and more.
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[#] Wed Nov 03 2021 19:54:24 EDT from interrupt
wow you were 3lyte with your 1200! i had a 300 for my 64!
fuck i use my cell phone to telnet here sometimes, like if i'm taking a shit. you know? ha.
[#] Wed Nov 03 2021 19:57:49 EDT from Nurb432
My first modem was a sub-300 baud "acoustic" ( you know the kind you had to shove a handset into once it connected. and hope you were fast enough ). If i remember right, it was 150 baud.
Ya, i just dated myself there..
i think that microsoft should shut down "on their own" for fairness and equity for the linux world.
[#] Wed Nov 03 2021 20:13:02 EDT from ParanoidDelusions
I live in the suburbs, I know where the farmer's markets are - I'm ok with the cities collapsing.
Tue Nov 02 2021 20:34:14 EDT from Nurb432
I suspect that most people cant even tell you where the nearest farmer market is ( or locally owned food store even ), or be able to get there via public transport... I hear talk all the time about 'food deserts' as people dont know where, and cant get to the suburbs where the food is when crime and such drives a grocery chain out of town. ( pre pandemic shortage )
So many people live in cities now and are basically slaves to the machine. I doubt the machine dies.
Tue Nov 02 2021 06:42:09 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions
Wouldn't it be ironic if this "soviet breadline preview" ended up creating a void filled by local farmers and smaller grocers and farmer's markets - and the big global corporate conglomerates put themselves out of business?
1337 is the correct term... just... for the record.
Right, backwoods/country orientated people like me know. Many suburbanites do, but not all. But the highest % of people in the country live packed in the sardine cities, they are mostly clueless.
Wed Nov 03 2021 08:13:02 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions
[#] Thu Nov 04 2021 19:23:34 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
fuck i use my cell phone to telnet here sometimes, like if i'm taking a
shit. you know? ha.
You win the internet !
[#] Wed Nov 10 2021 22:20:24 EST from ParanoidDelusions
Hate it when I go, "Oh, I need to do this thing on the Internet..."
Then by the time I get there, I forget what that thing was.
[#] Thu Nov 18 2021 19:53:38 EST from ParanoidDelusions
@LoanShark...
This place is dead. They just talk about programming and networking in every room.
Brainstorm on highly divisive political disagreements we can have. Throw the bait out, I'll take it. We'll split the profits after the "fight".
[#] Thu Nov 18 2021 20:02:09 EST from Nurb432
Well, we are techies at heart ya know....
Thu Nov 18 2021 07:53:38 PM EST from ParanoidDelusions
[#] Fri Nov 19 2021 09:00:22 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
Logging in while drunk again, are we?
[#] Fri Nov 19 2021 09:33:53 EST from Nurb432
[#] Fri Nov 19 2021 14:18:04 EST from LoanShark
2021-11-18 19:53 from ParanoidDelusions
This place is dead. They just talk about programming and networking
in every room.
Brainstorm on highly divisive political disagreements we can have.
Throw the bait out, I'll take it. We'll split the profits after the
"fight".
Kenosha NEEDED to burn ;)
The existing government(s) in Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank must be immediately dissolved and replaced with a one-state utopia (it's the only way to achieve justice, y'know), and when this happens it is a certainty that the resulting government will be socialist/Trotskyist, because my pro-Pal ex-friends's boyfriend told me that there are plenty of Palestinians are left-wing, so it must be true.
Mandatory vitamin supplements.
The existing government(s) in Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank must be
immediately dissolved and replaced with a one-state utopia (it's the
If you've ever seen Andrew Klavan's "one state solution" then you may be on to something. He proposed turning the entire Middle East into one big Israel.
[#] Mon Nov 22 2021 19:24:34 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
Darrell Brooks agrees with you.
[#] Mon Nov 22 2021 20:26:36 EST from ParanoidDelusions
Indeed. :D
Fri Nov 19 2021 09:00:22 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
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