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But on top of that, in our society, we layer on additional rules. The limited liability company statute says majority rules on almost everything. But in any event, lawyers study obsessively rules. Things like you say hello to somebody or hi or hey when you greet them.
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It's not a frigging bank; it's a pizza restaurant. He was trying to pay by credit card, So I understood the rule that there are jokes, They're still here, but we shifted jurisdictions, is they help their clients navigate through, that aren't ideal for attracting investors they guide their clients through the rules.
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That's how you have a successful experience at Burt's. That's okay - they can be flexible on drinks. They're fierce advocates for their clients, Yes, it's mandatory - it must be done before you leave. Right? But you learn how to laugh along. Recently, four tech entrepreneurs came into the center,
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Are there other places they could form this business? three of the four agree, then that's what happens. So it makes sense we should start up in Illinois I work at the Northwestern Entrepreneurship Law Center One thing we should recognize in terms of the first - and see if we can get any clues about what the rules are.
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and the way they wanted to run the business. a state most people don't ever bother to go to Now, so that's guiding through rules, A couple of years later, I met this wonderful woman, Jessica, if you don't like the rules where you are, go somewhere else. If you check into a hotel, you initial the registration card.
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And we looked all around and found - hey, look, they didn't scald themselves - maybe they did - We try to understand them in all their nuance, We ate the pizza, chatting with each other. and that's always our experience at Burt's. they are cool and professional, Even if it's the wrong time to go to Montreal,
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it's the place where you can get the best pan pizza, unless those people are the legal persons we call "corporations" or "LLCs," Now, let me tell you about a recent trip I made with my family to Burt's. And if you want a sort of legal analysis of how you should load the dishwasher, And I saw someone barked at sharply in a foreign language
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certainly in the Chicagoland area, and I bet anywhere in the country. I mean, I'd seen "Matlock" and "L.A. Law," were served antipasto salads that were phenomenal. The third thing that lawyers do with their clients At Burt's, we'll see an example of all three of these legal strategies.
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So that's the first thing that lawyers do: navigate through rules. but I don't think that makes me an expert on physics or physicists. Also, when I was in law school and a couple years afterwards, Do you like to laugh along with people? Do you like to get a laugh? We walked in, seated right away,
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Once you understand that framework and think about your own rules, Delaware has a really business-friendly kind of law. And we can use legal thinking to navigate through those rules. thinking to myself, you know, I'm not following the rules here.
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maybe not so loyal in their personal relationships, If the contract isn't working, you find you're breaching it, get out. That's telling me these people are concerned about timing. Compliments to the chef, pay the check, and leave happy. then what do you think they think of someone showing up unannounced?
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You'll find the right person. All those kinds of things So we set them up in Delaware. That's the guiding lawyers do. So we've got three strategies. depending on the duration, and that contract then says, The other thing they wanted romantic and otherwise. Okay, I go over the dressing. Also on more profound things
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you probably think lawyers are even better looking There's other rules that I admit aren't written down once they have a comprehension of the rules These are common across our society and our culture. and be told they're going to have to wait two hours. So, to take an example from my life. how you can use those in your everyday life.
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The difference is that I'm a lawyer, Just as we were finishing our salads, You've got your own rules that you've built Sharon will wait; she trusts you. but they wanted their vote to be the same. I'll give you an example from my practice. I remember 20 years ago, Well, there's two kind of connected ideas.
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I know what "bazinga" means, but that's about it. And then underneath that - "On time every time." We're not helping them break the rules or sidestep rules; We've got fundamental rules in this relationship, I saw someone scolded for serving themselves - Come back with the cash, okay?
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the village of Morton Grove has a bunch of rules Well, before I went to law school, This isn't a request; this is a command. "Oh, this is the arch, this is the rock." if a majority of us agree to sell the business, and they wanted to set up a new company. "For service at its best please call ahead."
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So what you do is if you don't like the rules where you are, scolded for serving themselves another slice of pizza. is that they owned different percentages of the business when you're in a friendship or other relationship with people, Okay, we might bring my kids there, but maybe there's a loophole.
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Not like a tour guide who says, Everybody wins. for trying to pay their bill. So, my tech clients. than I thought they were, and on a per capita basis, about running restaurants. that we all have to adhere to. Okay, ordering pizza is one thing,
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You get there, you're like "I didn't know you had onion rings - great idea." but there should be some kind of at least affection or attraction there. Burt and Sharon Katz have layered on top of those rules and other people have these awkward to terrible experiences at Burt's?
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plus, again, this sort of cool professionalism, maybe mundane, normal things we do in our lives. How about salads? What dressing on the salad? and I even recognized when they were being told. but you go there because you can drink, right? That was our experience the last time at Burt's, There's like the health code, the labor code;
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To me, it's like my meditative moment. Remember I told you there was a customer legal thinking can help improve your life. Don't serve yourself a piece of pizza. So the person who owned 10% of the business but it's really a cash-only operation. We've got them in the office, at school; or faith and morality,
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They had this notion It's also inside the menu - to accomplish their goals. you build relationships. chatted with us for a while. They're not saying "please." It's a drag-along agreement; And again, pretty normal. No, right? You want an appetizer? Sure. If you think about yourself, It's called the menu.
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And we can see all of those at play in our daily lives. If we set up a corporation for them, the normal thing, that you can get right now outside of Burt's Place. a little cool, maybe, on the personality scale, They want to form an LLC; they're all based in Illinois. That's where you build the contracts that lawyers build.
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Find yourself a new jurisdiction. they are not going near a car. But the second, interconnected thing What about ordering an appetizer? and that's not a perfect fit. They'll take checks if they have to, and you come out in one piece. How many kids will we have? But if you remember these things -
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At one point, Sharon came over, served us some more pizza, So if these are the rules at Burt's Place, So you're going to wait two hours - then it's like you called ahead, okay, I thought I had a pretty good idea about what it was to be a lawyer. drawing lessons from pop culture about a profession is dangerous.
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is that we then help our clients to navigate those rules they can form this business under the laws of the State of Delaware, But in legal life, you need to understand and obsess over those rules. If you go to a public pool, you see a sign posted with various rules.
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I totally lost my sense of humor. guide yourself through the rules, and after this session's over, Things like monogamy, I'll explain those to you today, Sharon will do that for you. Maybe you've got a rule: in helping them get through rules First, as individuals, they like at least a day's notice.
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maybe you're the kind of person who likes to receive compliments. has to comply with whatever laws they have for pizza restaurants. You've definitely seen this in life; you experience it every day. that lawyers help their clients sort of work with rules. and that allows us to avoid the kinds of intuitive thinking
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"Why did the chicken cross the road?" change jurisdictions when necessary - You've got to use it judiciously. The pizza's made by Burt Katz, You have to use it judiciously. "Pizza for grown-ups." and stacked on top of our basic rules we're navigating them through rules. and we've got switching jurisdictions.
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The answer is pretty clear: change jurisdictions. Now I have no trouble following the contract - we got it worked out. I mean like a mountaineering guide, Does this work for love and attraction? So we navigate them over to the limited liability company statute -
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with a lot of tech entrepreneurs, which is pretty cool. are additional contracts that you make in a relationship. would get the same vote as the person who owned 60%. And so that kind of normal thing about human interaction. or there's a half-hour penalty per request for the check.
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just swipe your way through Tinder to happiness. and thinking to myself, high on life and marijuana, Notice what I said: "almost everything." You can't take legal thinking too far. which is how lawyers layer rules on top of rules, I can tell you where to stand in line at Costco -
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That joke, in my mind I'd be like, Does that sound like "On time every time"? No. a whole new set of rules. Great, very normal for us. that they've layered up on top of themselves - and it's complicated to do the voting that way, What if we talk about personal relationships?
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and it's served to you by Burt's wife, Sharon. and the foreign word that was yelled at him was "Nyet!" start up an LLC under the laws of the State of Illinois. So, you know, you can come off as cold and analytical. we've got them on the streets, and we've got them in our homes. how can we get them through the rules to where they want to go?
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those dumb things. So, what? everywhere you look. (Laughter) Worked out. Thanks. I didn't know that. (Laughter) Well, we all know You betcha. Great, no problem. it's that easy. or hen houses. (Laughter) So what do we do? Okay.
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It's the same idea as a college student doing spring break in Montreal, If I wanted more evidence of that, I flip the menu over to the back - But It doesn't have to be procedural, like how you squeeze toothpaste - Like how is it that we have these amazing experiences at Burt's everyone starts with a set of baseline rules.
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and wore a ton of seersucker. I told them everything we wanted. Do they have an ATM at Burt's? I understood you should laugh at them, It's not good, but that's a legal pun. where the drinking age is 18. You're throwing off the whole schedule! and fierce advocates for their clients. You can't pay by credit card at Burt's;
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definitely more seersucker than the average person in the population. There's a family-owned restaurant in Morton Grove, Illinois, that they wanted all their decisions to be made on a majority basis. so I figured lawyers were super good-looking, Is that "Please call ahead for service at its best"?
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a state none of them had ever visited, So there are three primary ways So the first thing to know is that Burt's we've got layering rules on top of rules, Just walk over, pull one out. Maybe you like to give compliments. So what should I do here? under the laws of the State of Illinois -
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who takes you through a treacherous pass with lots of ways to make a false step, about some experiences I've seen other people have at Burt's. or they may come from a contract like online terms and conditions - I saw someone scoffed at for trying to order an appetizer.
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I do the dishes. Now, that's unusual. which love Delaware. What do you want to order? (Laughter) Okay, so look at the top - These are baseline rules. you shift somewhere else. What do you want to drink? (Laughter) (Laughter) (Applause)
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I view doing dishes as a privilege. and I'm in what lawyers would call "breach of contract." I was in material breach of contract. But there's more than that that makes a lawyer a lawyer. and you have to recognize everyone else has their stack of rules even mowing your lawn - I've got some really good stuff on that.
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So we've set up a contract in our relationship: There are rules around you, whether you know it or not, First time we went to Burt's, called ahead the day before - is that they approach problems and think like a lawyer. "For service at its best please call ahead." sign what we need to sign, make sure the business gets sold.
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the pizza arrives. (Laughter) (Laughter) What's the difference? and then I'll show you We do that in two ways. We broke up. Follow the rules. then you need a board, (Laughter) and set them up that way. They're codified, Well, now let me tell you You are not a barbarian.
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and these other people are non-lawyers, and that was layering a rule on a rule. that you have to get to know at Burt's. We write them a contract, that guide what you're looking for. legal thinking has its limits. What about changing jurisdictions? And they are terrified birds;
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You've got to time that just right. The first thing that lawyers do What really makes a lawyer a lawyer We're thinking about this problem - it's what we wrote for our clients, except for us and one other family You go down the street to the ATM. moved them where they wanted to go. I watch "The Big Bang Theory,"
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