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83_20
Just your own whānau here. [unintelligible 00:01:51]. Well, Rick, I'm sort of, uh, interested in that, you know, you and I are gonna been doing some work together for a while. I'm sort of wondering what sort of thoughts you'd be having on your way here today.
therapist_input
communication behavior
83_22
Right.
other
communication behavior
83_24
Okay. I see you've had a bit of experience with, uh, coming to prevention services.
therapist_input
communication behavior
83_26
What's that been like for you in the past?
question
communication behavior
83_28
Right.
other
communication behavior
83_30
Okay. Similar sort of offending in the past that's brought you back again this time?
question
communication behavior
83_32
One of the, um, things that I've learned over the years, Rick, is that a lot of guys get to the doors out there and don't come inside and, um, you've come inside. What does that tell me about you?
therapist_input
communication behavior
83_34
Yeah.
other
communication behavior
83_36
So is that different from when you've come in here before?
question
communication behavior
83_38
Yeah.
other
communication behavior
83_40
Yeah. So they're really important to you?
reflection
communication behavior
83_42
Yeah. And do you have your kids with you full-time or-
question
communication behavior
83_44
Okay. And what's it like for you?
question
communication behavior
83_46
Mm-hmm.
other
communication behavior
83_48
What would you really like to happen in terms of, uh, you and your children?
question
communication behavior
83_50
Yeah.
other
communication behavior
83_52
Right.
other
communication behavior
83_54
So coming along to see me and you and I are doing some work together, then you're going on to do a program, how important is that gonna be for you and your children?
question
communication behavior
83_56
Mm-hmm. If I was to put it on a scale of say 1 to 100, 1 being not really important, 100 being really, really important, whereabouts on that scale would you you be?
question
communication behavior
83_58
Right.
other
communication behavior
83_60
Right.
other
communication behavior
83_62
Yeah. What do you think it'd be like for your kids if they were sitting here now and they heard you say that this was really, really important to you and to them? That you gave this program 100%. Well, then what might that be like for them to hear that?
question
communication behavior
83_64
Okay.
other
communication behavior
83_66
Good. Anybody else in your family that would be really proud of-- that you're taking these steps?
question
communication behavior
83_68
Yeah. Your is mum still down south?
question
communication behavior
83_70
Yeah. Does she know that you're here today?
question
communication behavior
83_72
So how might it be for her if she knew that you're talking like this today? That-- 'Cause it sounds to me like you're really serious this time making some changes.
reflection
communication behavior
83_74
Yeah.
other
communication behavior
83_76
So do you think doing this program and completing this program this time would be a good place to start?
question
communication behavior
83_78
Yeah. So you and I are going to be doing a little bit of work together then. And, um, and sometimes it-it can get quite tough. And I'm just wondering before we go any further, when the going gets tough, a lot of guys bail out. I'm just wondering are you one of those guys?
question
communication behavior
83_80
Right.
other
communication behavior
83_82
Good. One of the other things we're really conscious of with is, um, sometimes we do this work in isolation from others. And one of the things we want to ask people is about who they're going to be accountable to. I'm thinking like with your children, uh, your mom and other people that maybe you're interacting with. Who-who else in your life do you think would be supportive of you, and who would you need to let them know that you're actually going through this sort of program?
therapist_input
communication behavior
83_84
What was-- what was your partner's name?
question
communication behavior
83_86
Kristy.
reflection
communication behavior
83_88
Right. In terms of your employer, would they be supportive?
question
communication behavior
83_90
Okay. What do you think it might be like for you to explore that with them?
question
communication behavior
83_92
Any other family members that, uh, live close that, uh, you think would be supportive?
question
communication behavior
83_94
Okay. The reason why I'm asking this, Rick, is just, um, you know, part of, um, uh, being responsible is turning up and doing the program.
therapist_input
communication behavior
83_96
The other aspect of that is kind of like who we're going to be accountable to while we're doing the program. So one of the- one of the challenges, one of the riddle I'm going to put in front of you is like who else can we get involved to support you while you're going through this?
therapist_input
communication behavior
83_98
Okay.
other
communication behavior
83_100
Okay. So as we're gonna do this work together and go through this, uh, this program, one of the things we-we don't want to do is fall into the same trough we did last time. So I-I just want to leave that with you to think about next time we come together. There may be two or three other people that you think of that can be really supportive, that we-we need to let know that you're [unintelligible 00:10:50] each gonna make these changes and this time, you're serious about it. So let your mother and, uh, and, um, your partner, how might that happen? How does that sound to you?
therapist_input
communication behavior
83_102
Rick, I get a sense that you're kind of padding this walk a little bit on your own at the moment. Would that be true?
reflection
communication behavior
83_104
Your family is down south. I mean,who-who-who else do you think would be really interested in sup-supporting you, rowing with you if you like on this journey?
question
communication behavior
83_106
Okay.
other
communication behavior
83_108
Yeah.
other
communication behavior
83_110
Yeah. How would it be for your mum, do you think, if you were to tell her that this is something that you're-- is really important for you and that you know that this time you really need to do this for her and for the family? What-what might that be like for her to hear?
question
communication behavior
83_112
Yeah. All right.
other
communication behavior
83_114
Brothers and sisters, that, uh, would also be very supportive if you were to make this journey?
question
communication behavior
83_116
Good. So how would you go about getting them to support you, to come on board, and be accountable to doing this work together?
question
communication behavior
83_118
And, um, I’m just trying to imagine what do you think your mom would want to say to you if she was sitting here with us now and she heard you talking about this?
question
communication behavior
83_120
Mm. What do you think she might want for you, like upon her for your children?
question
communication behavior
83_122
I’m getting a strong sense that's what you want as well.
reflection
communication behavior
83_124
So, in terms of having the confidence to do this with the support of your whānau and ours, where do you think your confidence level might be now?
question
communication behavior
83_126
That's a huge move up the scale, isn't it? So getting your family on board, getting your whānau on board is going to be really important for us.
reflection
communication behavior
84_0
Hi Billy. How are you doing?
question
communication behavior
84_2
Yeah. Hey, it's good to see you here and good to see you here on time. Yeah, it's really good to see a good start to the-- to your probation time with us here is to see you being here on time. So how did you get here today?
therapist_input
communication behavior
84_4
Yeah, caught the bus to-to that-- to the stop outside the office?
reflection
communication behavior
84_6
Yeah, okay. So I'm noticing that this isn't the first time that you've been to see someone at probation and it's not your first, um, community sentence. So I was wondering when you're sitting on the bus thinking about coming here, what was- what was going through your head about being here?
question
communication behavior
84_8
Just was feeling like, "Ugh, it's gonna be a waste of my time coming here."
reflection
communication behavior
84_10
Mmh. So how come you thought it was going to be a waste of your time? What was it based on?
question
communication behavior
84_12
Yeah, didn't- didn't work out very well.
reflection
communication behavior
84_14
Okay. So you're hoping that it was gonna help you and it didn't. That was-- ended up feeling like a waste of your time.
reflection
communication behavior
84_16
Mm. So it sounds you're worried that it's gonna be a waste of your time this time too.
reflection
communication behavior
84_18
Mm, okay. So what sort of things do you think made it a waste of time last time?
question
communication behavior
84_20
Okay, the probation officer we're talking about here?
reflection
communication behavior
84_22
Mm. So it felt like she bossed you around, didn't really listen to you.
reflection
communication behavior
84_24
Okay, so actually having someone listen to you and hear about what you're saying is important to you?
reflection
communication behavior
84_26
Mm. So what's it gonna be like do you think working with me 'cause I'm also a female probation officer? Um, I'm wondering what-what's it gonna be like do you think?
question
communication behavior
84_28
Okay.
other
communication behavior
84_30
Yeah.
other
communication behavior
84_32
Okay, and all of those things are true.
therapist_input
communication behavior
84_34
You're right. I don't know what it's like to be you and what I'm getting a sense of is that it's actually important that the person sitting opposite you in this role needs to understand what it's like to be you. Is that right?
therapist_input
communication behavior
84_36
Yeah, okay. So I guess the invitation for both of us really over the next few months of, um, on the sentence is for us to get an understanding about what it's like to be you.
reflection
communication behavior
84_38
Yeah, okay. So in terms of the things that have brought you here, in terms of the things that have got you into trouble and got you into offending, I'm wondering how interested you are in, um, really getting an understanding of it. So one or zero is like, "Ugh, not interested at all."
question
communication behavior
84_40
100 is like, "I'm totally interested and-and getting it nailed and sorted and, you know, getting on the straight and narrow." Where would you be on that scale?
question
communication behavior
84_42
Okay.
other
communication behavior
84_44
All right. So it's kind of silly stuff that's getting you into trouble.
reflection
communication behavior
84_46
Is that what I'm hearing? Yeah. So in terms of dealing with it, where-where would you be, do you reckon? How interested would you be in dealing with that stuff?
question
communication behavior
84_48
Okay, so you don't wanna be back here. You don't wanna be sitting here and-
reflection
communication behavior
84_50
-to talk to a probation officer again.
reflection
communication behavior
84_52
Okay. So where would you be do you think?
question
communication behavior
84_54
Zero being, "Argh, not interested at all," 100 being totally into it.
therapist_input
communication behavior
84_56
25, okay.
reflection
communication behavior
84_58
So I know that you're kind of 25% interested-
reflection
communication behavior
84_60
-and really thinking about what's got you into trouble and hence something about what gets you into trouble.
reflection
communication behavior
84_62
You wanna stop getting into trouble.
reflection
communication behavior
84_64
Mm, okay.
other
communication behavior
84_66
Okay, so getting into trouble and, uh, getting caught and-and we see [unintelligible 00:05:36] does about luck and this time being unlucky.
reflection
communication behavior
84_68
Yes, tell me a bit more about that, Billy? Kind of give me the [unintelligible 00:05:46] the cops have got it on for you?
question
communication behavior
84_70
Mm, so it feels like you always seemed singled out and, um, end up being unlucky.
reflection
communication behavior
84_72
Okay, so you get singled out and that's what, um, means that you end up getting-- having to go to court and get sentenced and end on probation.
reflection
communication behavior
84_74
Yeah. So I'm wondering, um, if there are things that you think, "Well, I can see that that's got me into trouble," and, you know, kind of cops aside, things that might have got you into-into trouble.
other
communication behavior
84_76
Mm-hmm, okay. So some stuff that you can think, "Oh yeah, I had, you know, I did some stuff that yeah, got me into trouble."
reflection
communication behavior
84_78
It wasn't perhaps about the police singling you out. So those little things, well, you think, "Mm, yeah, maybe-maybe if I'd done something differently, I wouldn't have ended up in trouble." How interested are you in thinking about those things and-
therapist_input
communication behavior
84_80
-trying to get a handle on that.
question
communication behavior
84_82
Yeah.
other
communication behavior
84_84
Okay, so you don't wanna end up kind of being in prison again 'cause you've done some time inside. Yeah, and you don't wanna end up going back to prison, yeah. So-so that's one thing about wanting to make a difference and the way things are at the moment, yeah.
reflection
communication behavior
84_86
Cool. What else would, um, would help to kind of keep you out of trouble do you think?
question
communication behavior
84_88
Mm-hmm.
other
communication behavior
84_90
Yeah.
other
communication behavior