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83_20
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Just your own whānau here. [unintelligible 00:01:51]. Well, Rick, I'm sort of, uh, interested in that, you know, you and I are gonna been doing some work together for a while. I'm sort of wondering what sort of thoughts you'd be having on your way here today.
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83_22
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Right.
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other
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communication behavior
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83_24
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Okay. I see you've had a bit of experience with, uh, coming to prevention services.
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communication behavior
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83_26
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What's that been like for you in the past?
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question
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communication behavior
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83_28
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Right.
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communication behavior
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83_30
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Okay. Similar sort of offending in the past that's brought you back again this time?
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communication behavior
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83_32
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One of the, um, things that I've learned over the years, Rick, is that a lot of guys get to the doors out there and don't come inside and, um, you've come inside. What does that tell me about you?
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communication behavior
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83_34
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Yeah.
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other
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communication behavior
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83_36
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So is that different from when you've come in here before?
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communication behavior
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83_38
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Yeah.
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other
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communication behavior
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83_40
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Yeah. So they're really important to you?
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reflection
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communication behavior
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83_42
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Yeah. And do you have your kids with you full-time or-
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communication behavior
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83_44
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Okay. And what's it like for you?
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communication behavior
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83_46
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Mm-hmm.
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communication behavior
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83_48
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What would you really like to happen in terms of, uh, you and your children?
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communication behavior
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83_50
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Yeah.
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other
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communication behavior
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83_52
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Right.
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other
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communication behavior
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83_54
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So coming along to see me and you and I are doing some work together, then you're going on to do a program, how important is that gonna be for you and your children?
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83_56
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Mm-hmm. If I was to put it on a scale of say 1 to 100, 1 being not really important, 100 being really, really important, whereabouts on that scale would you you be?
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communication behavior
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83_58
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Right.
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other
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communication behavior
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83_60
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Right.
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other
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communication behavior
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83_62
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Yeah. What do you think it'd be like for your kids if they were sitting here now and they heard you say that this was really, really important to you and to them? That you gave this program 100%. Well, then what might that be like for them to hear that?
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communication behavior
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83_64
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Okay.
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other
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communication behavior
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83_66
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Good. Anybody else in your family that would be really proud of-- that you're taking these steps?
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communication behavior
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83_68
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Yeah. Your is mum still down south?
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question
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communication behavior
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83_70
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Yeah. Does she know that you're here today?
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question
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communication behavior
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83_72
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So how might it be for her if she knew that you're talking like this today? That-- 'Cause it sounds to me like you're really serious this time making some changes.
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communication behavior
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83_74
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Yeah.
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communication behavior
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83_76
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So do you think doing this program and completing this program this time would be a good place to start?
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83_78
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Yeah. So you and I are going to be doing a little bit of work together then. And, um, and sometimes it-it can get quite tough. And I'm just wondering before we go any further, when the going gets tough, a lot of guys bail out. I'm just wondering are you one of those guys?
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communication behavior
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83_80
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Right.
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other
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83_82
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Good. One of the other things we're really conscious of with is, um, sometimes we do this work in isolation from others. And one of the things we want to ask people is about who they're going to be accountable to. I'm thinking like with your children, uh, your mom and other people that maybe you're interacting with. Who-who else in your life do you think would be supportive of you, and who would you need to let them know that you're actually going through this sort of program?
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communication behavior
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83_84
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What was-- what was your partner's name?
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question
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communication behavior
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83_86
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Kristy.
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reflection
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communication behavior
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83_88
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Right. In terms of your employer, would they be supportive?
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question
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communication behavior
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83_90
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Okay. What do you think it might be like for you to explore that with them?
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communication behavior
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83_92
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Any other family members that, uh, live close that, uh, you think would be supportive?
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communication behavior
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83_94
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Okay. The reason why I'm asking this, Rick, is just, um, you know, part of, um, uh, being responsible is turning up and doing the program.
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83_96
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The other aspect of that is kind of like who we're going to be accountable to while we're doing the program. So one of the- one of the challenges, one of the riddle I'm going to put in front of you is like who else can we get involved to support you while you're going through this?
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communication behavior
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83_98
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Okay.
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other
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communication behavior
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83_100
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Okay. So as we're gonna do this work together and go through this, uh, this program, one of the things we-we don't want to do is fall into the same trough we did last time. So I-I just want to leave that with you to think about next time we come together. There may be two or three other people that you think of that can be really supportive, that we-we need to let know that you're [unintelligible 00:10:50] each gonna make these changes and this time, you're serious about it. So let your mother and, uh, and, um, your partner, how might that happen? How does that sound to you?
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communication behavior
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83_102
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Rick, I get a sense that you're kind of padding this walk a little bit on your own at the moment. Would that be true?
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reflection
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communication behavior
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83_104
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Your family is down south. I mean,who-who-who else do you think would be really interested in sup-supporting you, rowing with you if you like on this journey?
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question
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communication behavior
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83_106
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Okay.
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other
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communication behavior
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83_108
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Yeah.
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other
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communication behavior
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83_110
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Yeah. How would it be for your mum, do you think, if you were to tell her that this is something that you're-- is really important for you and that you know that this time you really need to do this for her and for the family? What-what might that be like for her to hear?
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question
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communication behavior
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83_112
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Yeah. All right.
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other
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communication behavior
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83_114
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Brothers and sisters, that, uh, would also be very supportive if you were to make this journey?
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83_116
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Good. So how would you go about getting them to support you, to come on board, and be accountable to doing this work together?
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83_118
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And, um, I’m just trying to imagine what do you think your mom would want to say to you if she was sitting here with us now and she heard you talking about this?
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communication behavior
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83_120
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Mm. What do you think she might want for you, like upon her for your children?
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communication behavior
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83_122
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I’m getting a strong sense that's what you want as well.
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reflection
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communication behavior
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83_124
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So, in terms of having the confidence to do this with the support of your whānau and ours, where do you think your confidence level might be now?
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question
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communication behavior
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83_126
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That's a huge move up the scale, isn't it? So getting your family on board, getting your whānau on board is going to be really important for us.
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_0
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Hi Billy. How are you doing?
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84_2
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Yeah. Hey, it's good to see you here and good to see you here on time. Yeah, it's really good to see a good start to the-- to your probation time with us here is to see you being here on time. So how did you get here today?
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communication behavior
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84_4
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Yeah, caught the bus to-to that-- to the stop outside the office?
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_6
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Yeah, okay. So I'm noticing that this isn't the first time that you've been to see someone at probation and it's not your first, um, community sentence. So I was wondering when you're sitting on the bus thinking about coming here, what was- what was going through your head about being here?
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84_8
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Just was feeling like, "Ugh, it's gonna be a waste of my time coming here."
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_10
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Mmh. So how come you thought it was going to be a waste of your time? What was it based on?
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question
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communication behavior
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84_12
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Yeah, didn't- didn't work out very well.
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_14
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Okay. So you're hoping that it was gonna help you and it didn't. That was-- ended up feeling like a waste of your time.
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_16
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Mm. So it sounds you're worried that it's gonna be a waste of your time this time too.
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_18
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Mm, okay. So what sort of things do you think made it a waste of time last time?
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question
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communication behavior
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84_20
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Okay, the probation officer we're talking about here?
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_22
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Mm. So it felt like she bossed you around, didn't really listen to you.
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_24
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Okay, so actually having someone listen to you and hear about what you're saying is important to you?
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_26
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Mm. So what's it gonna be like do you think working with me 'cause I'm also a female probation officer? Um, I'm wondering what-what's it gonna be like do you think?
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question
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communication behavior
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84_28
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Okay.
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other
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communication behavior
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84_30
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Yeah.
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other
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communication behavior
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84_32
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Okay, and all of those things are true.
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therapist_input
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communication behavior
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84_34
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You're right. I don't know what it's like to be you and what I'm getting a sense of is that it's actually important that the person sitting opposite you in this role needs to understand what it's like to be you. Is that right?
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communication behavior
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84_36
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Yeah, okay. So I guess the invitation for both of us really over the next few months of, um, on the sentence is for us to get an understanding about what it's like to be you.
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_38
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Yeah, okay. So in terms of the things that have brought you here, in terms of the things that have got you into trouble and got you into offending, I'm wondering how interested you are in, um, really getting an understanding of it. So one or zero is like, "Ugh, not interested at all."
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question
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communication behavior
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84_40
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100 is like, "I'm totally interested and-and getting it nailed and sorted and, you know, getting on the straight and narrow." Where would you be on that scale?
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question
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communication behavior
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84_42
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Okay.
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other
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communication behavior
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84_44
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All right. So it's kind of silly stuff that's getting you into trouble.
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_46
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Is that what I'm hearing? Yeah. So in terms of dealing with it, where-where would you be, do you reckon? How interested would you be in dealing with that stuff?
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question
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communication behavior
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84_48
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Okay, so you don't wanna be back here. You don't wanna be sitting here and-
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_50
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-to talk to a probation officer again.
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_52
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Okay. So where would you be do you think?
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question
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communication behavior
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84_54
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Zero being, "Argh, not interested at all," 100 being totally into it.
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communication behavior
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84_56
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25, okay.
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_58
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So I know that you're kind of 25% interested-
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_60
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-and really thinking about what's got you into trouble and hence something about what gets you into trouble.
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_62
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You wanna stop getting into trouble.
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_64
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Mm, okay.
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other
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communication behavior
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84_66
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Okay, so getting into trouble and, uh, getting caught and-and we see [unintelligible 00:05:36] does about luck and this time being unlucky.
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_68
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Yes, tell me a bit more about that, Billy? Kind of give me the [unintelligible 00:05:46] the cops have got it on for you?
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question
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communication behavior
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84_70
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Mm, so it feels like you always seemed singled out and, um, end up being unlucky.
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_72
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Okay, so you get singled out and that's what, um, means that you end up getting-- having to go to court and get sentenced and end on probation.
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_74
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Yeah. So I'm wondering, um, if there are things that you think, "Well, I can see that that's got me into trouble," and, you know, kind of cops aside, things that might have got you into-into trouble.
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other
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communication behavior
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84_76
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Mm-hmm, okay. So some stuff that you can think, "Oh yeah, I had, you know, I did some stuff that yeah, got me into trouble."
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_78
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It wasn't perhaps about the police singling you out. So those little things, well, you think, "Mm, yeah, maybe-maybe if I'd done something differently, I wouldn't have ended up in trouble." How interested are you in thinking about those things and-
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therapist_input
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communication behavior
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84_80
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-trying to get a handle on that.
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question
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communication behavior
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84_82
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Yeah.
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other
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communication behavior
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84_84
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Okay, so you don't wanna end up kind of being in prison again 'cause you've done some time inside. Yeah, and you don't wanna end up going back to prison, yeah. So-so that's one thing about wanting to make a difference and the way things are at the moment, yeah.
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reflection
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communication behavior
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84_86
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Cool. What else would, um, would help to kind of keep you out of trouble do you think?
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question
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communication behavior
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84_88
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Mm-hmm.
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other
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communication behavior
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84_90
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Yeah.
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communication behavior
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