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You'll have to write a lot of boiler plate code just to get a decent UI that feels modern.
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Another weak area is theming.
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As of today, there are a lot of themes around.
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URL_http://geeknizer.com/best-java-swing-look-and-feel-themes-professional- casual-top-10/ [See-here-for-a-top-10] .
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But some are slow, some are buggy, some are incomplete.
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I hate it when I write a UI and users complain that something doesn't work for them because they selected an odd theme.
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JGoodies is another layer on top of Swing, like SwingX.
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It tries to make Swing more pleasant to use.
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The web site looks great.
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Let's have a look at the tutorial ... hm ... still searching ... hang on.
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It seems that there is no documentation on the web site at all.
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URL_https://www.google.ch/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=jgoodies%20tutorial [Google-to-the-rescue] .
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Nope, no useful tutorials at all.
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I'm not feeling confident with a UI framework that tries so hard to hide the documentation from potential new fans.
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That doesn't mean JGoodies is bad; I just couldn't find anything good to say about it but that it looks nice.
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JavaFX.
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Great, stylish.
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Support is there but I feel it's more of a shiny toy than a serious UI framework.
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This feeling roots in the lack of complex UI components like tree tables.
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There is a URL_http://docs.oracle.com/javafx/2/webview/jfxpub-webview.htm [webkit-based-component-to-display-HTML] .
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When it was introduced, my first thought was "five years too late.
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" If your aim is a nice app for phones or web sites, good.
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If your aim is professional desktop application, make sure it delivers what you need.
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Pivot.
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First time I heard about it.
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It's basically a new UI framework based on Java2D.
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So I gave it a try yesterday.
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No Swing, just tiny bit of AWT ( CODETERM3 ).
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My first impression was a nice one.
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There is an extensive documentation that helps you getting started.
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Most of the URL_http://pivot.apache.org/tutorials /push-buttons.html [examples-come-with-live-demos] (Note: You must have Java enabled in your web browser; _this is a security risk_) in the web page, so you can see the code and the resulting application side by side.
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In my experience, more effort goes into code than into documentation.
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By looking at the Pivot docs, a lot of effort must have went into the code.
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Note that there is currently a bug which prevents some of the examples to work ( URL_https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PIVOT-858 [PIVOT-858] ) in your browser.
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My second impression of Pivot is that it's easy to use.
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When I ran into a problem, I could usually solve it quickly by looking at an example.
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I'm missing a reference of all the styles which each component supports, though.
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As with JavaFX, it's missing some higher level components like a tree table component ( URL_https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PIVOT-306 [PIVOT-306] ).
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I didn't try lazy loading with the table view.
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My impression is that if the underlying model uses lazy loading, then that's enough.
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Promising.
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If you can, give it a try.
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With respect to JavaFXs webview, it's based on webkit URL_http://docs.oracle.com/javafx/2/webview/jfxpub-webview.htm and from a few short tests that i have done it seems to work fine with js in general (including jquery and jqueryui).
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@nvrs: Thanks, updated my answer.
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Not sure if this just wasn't true at the time of writing, but the JavaFX site states that it supports Linux.
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Great answer, btw.
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JavaFX is bundled with Java 7 since u06.
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Updated my answer.
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For number 1, the sentence "you can add new classes in that package because it's signed" has ambiguity.
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Do you mean cannot?
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@David: Good catch.
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Fixed.
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Tried Pivot demo "Kitchen sink", after opening some groups it keeps eating whole CPU.
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If it's because of Pivot design, then I definitely don't want it in my projects.
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Seems like I've found the source of problem and it's fixed in later versions: URL_http://apache-pivot-users.399431.n3.nabble.com/Expanders-Cause-Increased-CPU - and-Memory-Use-td4022102.html.
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JavaFX 8 (for Java 8 and above) has a TreeTableView widget.
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However, JavaFX 2.2 (for Java 7) lacks this, and also lacks standard error and info dialgos: see URL_http://stackoverflow.com/a/12760202/105137 .
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Also the ControlsFX widget library is available for Java 8 only: URL_http://fxexperience.com/controlsfx/ .
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URL_http://www.eclipse.org/swt/ [SWT] by itself is pretty low-level, and it uses the platform's native widgets through JNI.
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It is not related to Swing and AWT at all.
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The URL_http://eclipse.org [Eclipse-IDE] and all Eclipse-based Rich Client Applications, like the URL_https://www.vuze.com/ [Vuze-BitTorrent- client] , are built using SWT.
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Also, if you are developing Eclipse plugins, you will typically use SWT.
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I have been developing Eclipse-based applications and plugins for almost 5 years now, so I'm clearly biased.
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However, I also have extensive experience in working with SWT and the URL_http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/JFace [JFace- UI-toolkit] , which is built on top of it.
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I have found JFace to be very rich and powerful; in some cases it might even be the main reason for choosing SWT.
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It enables you to whip up a working UI quite quickly, as long as it is IDE- like (with tables, trees, native controls, etc).
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Of course you can integrate your custom controls as well, but that takes some extra effort.
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In your opinion, would an advanced component like a TreeTable with column sorting and filtering be a big issue with SWT+JFace?
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@netbrain: I have done that numerous times, it's fairly straightforward with JFace.
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This is what I meant by an "IDE-like" interface, maybe not the best choice of words.
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I would like to suggest another framework: Apache Pivot URL_http://pivot.apache.org/ [ URL_http://pivot.apache.org/ ] .
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I tried it briefly and was impressed by what it can offer as an RIA (Rich Internet Application) framework _ala_ Flash.
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It renders UI using Java2D, thus minimizing the impact of (IMO, bloated) legacies of Swing and AWT.
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I had the impression that netbrain was asking about desktop apps.
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For RIA frameworks, consider also GWT and Vaadin.
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These frameworks allow you to write in Java, compile and get JavaScript that runs very well on all common web browsers.
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can't pivot be applied for desktop applications?
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Maybe it is a matter of definition, but RIA frameworks are basically designed to run in browsers.
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@netbrain : Yes, you can run Pivot as desktop app (JFrame) or applet (JApplet).
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Swing + SwingX + URL_http://www.miglayout.com/ [Miglayout] is my combination of choice.
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Miglayout is so much simpler than Swings perceived 200 different layout managers and much more powerful.
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Also, it provides you with the ability to "debug" your layouts, which is especially handy when creating complex layouts.
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Miglayout reminds of the days where table tags in html were the standard for laying out elements on a page ;) Thanks for your contribution.
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Another option is to use URL_http://qt-jambi.org/ [Qt-Jambi] .
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It has nearly all the greatness of Qt (many components, good documentation, easy to use), without the hassle of C++.
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I used it 3-4 years ago for a small project, even then it was almost mature.
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You might want to see the discussion about Swing vs. Qt URL_http://stackoverflow.com/questions/422956/java-swing-or-java-qt [here] .
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My personal opinion: Go for Swing together with the NetBeans platform.
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If you need advanced components (more than NetBeans offers) you can easily integrate SwingX without problems (or JGoodies) as the NetBeans platform is completely based on Swing.
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I would not start a large desktop application (or one that is going to be large) without a good platform that is build upon the underlying UI framework.
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The other option is SWT together with the Eclipse RCP, but it's harder (though not impossible) to integrate "pure" Swing components into such an application.
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The learning curve is a bit steep for the NetBeans platform (although I guess that's true for Eclipse as well) but there are some good books around which I would highly recommend.
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Note that SwingX is components (AFAIU) that are extensions or compositions of existing Swing components.
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JGoodies OTOH is about PLAFs and layouts.
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But as you said, either will integrate seamlessly with Swing.
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+1 Base your development on Swing.
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Swing is built on top of AWT and includes light-weight components that look and behave the same on all platforms, so you never should use AWT components directly.
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