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This is the middle of something longer, with a link to the whole thing, and other similar-in-a-way bits by","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-32169233\">Glenda wrote something that will apply to this. This is the middle of something longer, with a link to the whole thing, and other similar-in-a-way bits by others:<br/>\n<br/>\n___________<br/>\nI vividly remember there being a point several years into unschooling when I realized that so many of the things that had taken conscious effort in the beginning, had become second nature for me at some point along the way.<br/>\n<br/>\nSo my answer would be, be conscious of what you're saying and doing. Be more aware of your thoughts. If you act or react in a knee-jerk way that doesn't help relationships with your family, apologize to them and make a different, better choice in that moment.<br/>\n<br/>\nI found it pretty easy to make the paradigm shift in my interactions with my son, but it was much harder to make that shift in my interactions with my husband. And that's still an ongoing change in our relationship, although it does come more naturally now—but it's still not as seamless as it is for me in my interactions with my son.<br/>\n<br/>\nWhen I'm tired or hungry or don't feel well, I have to be more thoughtful about how I talk to my husband and how I think about him, because it's easy for me to slip into a negative place and to focus on the things he didn't do that I wish he had or the things he did that annoyed me.<br/>\n<br/>\nOne of the best things I've done for our marriage is to be more quiet when I'm tired/hungry/not feeling well. In those instances, I'm more prone to feel like snarking at my husband, or commenting on something he did / didn't do, or otherwise saying something that would be hurtful to him.<br/>\n<br/>\n___________<br/>\n<br/>\n<a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http://sandradodd.com/change/\">http://sandradodd.com/change/</a></div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":247566989,"authorName":"Sandra Dodd","from":"Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>","profile":"sandralynndodd","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1350099643","msgId":69360,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PDIxQkU0Q0E0LThCMzUtNDExOS05NDUwLTc0Q0M4Qzg5RjIxM0BTYW5kcmFkb2RkLmNvbT4=","inReplyToHeader":"PGs0bzJyaytvMjAyQGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg==","referencesHeader":"PGs0bzJyaytvMjAyQGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg=="},"prevInTopic":69320,"nextInTopic":69361,"prevInTime":69359,"nextInTime":69361,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"-=-=== I told him that I wished he would read some about unschooling (I was thinking of Sandra s site), and he said something like just because I didn t read","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-352958499\">-=-=== I told him that I wished he would read some about unschooling (I was thinking of Sandra's site), and he said something like "just because I didn't read that guy's book", and I asked "What guy?" and he said "John Holt!" and in a voice dripping with contempt, started to describe John Taylor Gatto. ===<br/>\n<br/>\n-=-Well at least he has done some reading.-=-<br/>\n<br/>\nBut it didn't save him. There was a test, and he failed it.<br/>\n<br/>\n(Sorry, this e-mail was begun and lost on a busy desktop.)<br/>\n<br/>\nIt's good for unschooling moms to extend the courtesy and compassion to their partners as much as they can. Unsupportive partnering is probably a two-way impasse.<br/>\n<br/>\nSandra<br/>\n<br/>\n[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":231154952,"authorName":"Pam Laricchia","from":"Pam Laricchia <pam@...>","profile":"learn2day2002","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349709628","msgId":69320,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PDUwNzJFRjNDLjQwOTA5MDRAbGl2aW5nam95ZnVsbHkuY2E+","inReplyToHeader":"PDI4MjQzQTc4LUVGN0UtNDlERS1BQ0U0LUYzNEYwNUE1ODJERkBTYW5kcmFkb2RkLmNvbT4=","referencesHeader":"PGs0bjhnZys4dWo2QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPiA8MDdEMzdEQUUtRUFBOS00MzI5LUJCREUtRUZGOTc1NUI2NzhGQHZlcml6b24ubmV0PiA8MjgyNDNBNzgtRUY3RS00OURFLUFDRTQtRjM0RjA1QTU4MkRGQFNhbmRyYWRvZGQuY29tPg=="},"prevInTopic":69319,"nextInTopic":69360,"prevInTime":69319,"nextInTime":69321,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-398573703\"><< My husband didn't write to his parents, beyond financial notes and sending or receiving checks. ALL the social obligation of our family fell to me.<br/>\nWith Microsoft Word (before it belonged to Microsoft, even, when it was just "Word" on a mac), I started making letters to send them, with photos in<br/>\nthem. Like blog posts, on paper. Not all grandparents have the internet. If they do, you can keep a blog and send them an e-mail when you have a new<br/>\nblog post you particularly think they would enjoy. >><br/>\n<br/>\nEvery year since we started unschooling I have written a double-sided Christmas newsletter with highlights of what we've all been up to that year,<br/>\ncomplete with pictures, that goes out with our cards. This year will be the eleventh edition of The Laricchia Chronicle. :-)<br/>\n<br/>\nThe feedback has been great: some keep an special eye out for our card each year, others who are newer to the family want copies of earlier years so<br/>\nthey have a complete collection etc. And each fall when I start writing I LOVE looking back!<br/>\n<br/>\nPam L<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":247566989,"authorName":"Sandra Dodd","from":"Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>","profile":"sandralynndodd","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349706046","msgId":69319,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PDI4MjQzQTc4LUVGN0UtNDlERS1BQ0U0LUYzNEYwNUE1ODJERkBTYW5kcmFkb2RkLmNvbT4=","inReplyToHeader":"PDA3RDM3REFFLUVBQTktNDMyOS1CQkRFLUVGRjk3NTVCNjc4RkB2ZXJpem9uLm5ldD4=","referencesHeader":"PGs0bjhnZys4dWo2QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPiA8MDdEMzdEQUUtRUFBOS00MzI5LUJCREUtRUZGOTc1NUI2NzhGQHZlcml6b24ubmV0Pg=="},"prevInTopic":69318,"nextInTopic":69320,"prevInTime":69318,"nextInTime":69320,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"... -=-You could create a blog of what they re doing. The working spouse often does feel cut off from his family. He s going to work so you can stay home. It s","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-1972426096\"><blockquote><span title=\"ireply\">> He complained that he didn't know what to say when his parents asked what our kids were doing.<br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>-=-You could create a blog of what they're doing. The working spouse often does feel cut off from his family. He's going to work so you can stay home. It's not his "job" to keep up with what's going on. Part of your job should be in helping him feel in the loop.-=-<br/>\n<br/>\nMy husband didn't write to his parents, beyond financial notes and sending or receiving checks. ALL the social obligation of our family fell to me. With Microsoft Word (before it belonged to Microsoft, even, when it was just "Word" on a mac), I started making letters to send them, with photos in them. Like blog posts, on paper. <br/>\n<br/>\nNot all grandparents have the internet. If they do, you can keep a blog and send them an e-mail when you have a new blog post you particularly think they would enjoy. <br/>\n<br/>\nAs the mother of their grandchildren, as their daughter-in-law, I took it upon myself to write to them a few times a year and update them on what the kids were doing, and send photos of Kirby at karate, Marty ice skating, one of them at work (I sent photos of all of them at work at some point or other, various times, as they got older). I told them about outings and trips, sent photos of them out of town, in town. <br/>\n<br/>\nAnother benefit to that is that they have something to say when they talk to their son, other than "What are the kids doing?" They have a better starting place and can say "Kirby seems to be enjoying his karate school," or something solid, and then Keith didn't need to feel the burden of explaining. <br/>\n<br/>\nHis mom died just a few years ago, and his dad is 93 or 94 and doesn't care as much as he used to, and our kids are grown. I got through all that by offering information.<br/>\n<br/>\nAnd about gifts, rather than trying to make my kids write thank-you notes, I would send a letter with a photo of the child using/wearing the gift, and tell a story about how he appreciated it, and what he said when he opened it, or something like that. As they got older, I asked them to help me decide what to write, and to pose for the photo, and they got that idea of acknowledging gifts. <br/>\n<br/>\n<a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http://sandradodd.com/choice\">http://sandradodd.com/choice</a><br/>\nLike the kids' game "getting warm / getting cold," all the choices people make bring them nearer to or further from a good place to be. There are lots of good places to be, not just a single one, but frustration, demands and looming divorce aren't "a good place to be."<br/>\n<br/>\nSandra<br/>\n<br/>\n[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":247566989,"authorName":"Sandra Dodd","from":"Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>","profile":"sandralynndodd","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349704827","msgId":69318,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PDI2NjkxM0Q0LTFDRjAtNDI0OS05RkYyLTE3MDVCMjU3OTZCRUBTYW5kcmFkb2RkLmNvbT4=","inReplyToHeader":"PENBUENTNkFYNVQzTXA3X3ZrUmYweFJVdEpTQUs1bTNRMWZRUjMzUlFuYXFUMUdwbUdDUUBtYWlsLmdtYWlsLmNvbT4=","referencesHeader":"PGs0cWswbCtzamxyQGVHcm91cHMuY29tPiA8NkY0NjE0OTEtREVENC00Q0YyLUI5RkEtMDczREQzOERBNkZBQFNhbmRyYWRvZGQuY29tPiA8Q0FQQ1M2QVg1VDNNcDdfdmtSZjB4UlV0SlNBSzVtM1ExZlFSMzNSUW5hcVQxR3BtR0NRQG1haWwuZ21haWwuY29tPg=="},"prevInTopic":69317,"nextInTopic":69319,"prevInTime":69317,"nextInTime":69319,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"-=-It sounds like you are interested in an alternative lifestyle, have a fantasy based on reading about unschooling(a big topic) and maybe should think about","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-1198596855\">-=-It sounds like you are interested in an alternative lifestyle, have a<br/>\nfantasy based on reading about unschooling(a big topic) and maybe should<br/>\nthink about focusing on living peacefully, building fun and lively<br/>\nrelationships? Forget rules, "unschooling bibles" and focus on what<br/>\nprinciples your family needs for peaceful living.-=-<br/>\n<br/>\nYes, yes, yes.<br/>\nThanks for writing that, Marina.<br/>\n<br/>\nAnd I jumped straight to school and marriage-salvage, but there's also unit-studies and marriage salvage. :-)<br/>\n<br/>\nYou could do projects or themes to have more to show your husband, for a while, and then gradually let that go if it works to bring more confidence in learning, and more peace to the family.<br/>\n<br/>\nWe were invited to a gingerbread house party. Maybe you could so something like that, and have another family or two over. I've seen it help dads for them to see more kids their own children's ages so they're comparing them to real other kids rather than a fantasy ideal imagined version of what the dad wishes they might be, or against imagined others.<br/>\n<br/>\n<a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http://sandradodd.com/gingerbreadhouse\">http://sandradodd.com/gingerbreadhouse</a> (the gingerbread house party, where we were making an adobe house, idealized local style. :-) <br/>\n<br/>\nSandra<br/>\n<br/>\n[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":342782030,"authorName":"K Pennell","from":"K Pennell <mrsringsabre@...>","profile":"mrsringsabre","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349702176","msgId":69317,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PDEzNDk3MDIxNzYuNjU3NTYuWWFob29NYWlsQ2xhc3NpY0B3ZWIxMjE3MDMubWFpbC5uZTEueWFob28uY29tPg==","inReplyToHeader":"PDNFQkE4MEI2LTQ5MTQtNDVGNy04NkMyLUNBMDAwNjk5MTUzRUBTYW5kcmFkb2RkLmNvbT4="},"prevInTopic":69316,"nextInTopic":69318,"prevInTime":69316,"nextInTime":69318,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"I wonder, too, if there are still lots of options. Find out what he d be comfortable with. Perhaps school isn t the only way. Maybe homeschooling in a slightly","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-2116518671\">I wonder, too, if there are still lots of options. Find out what he'd be comfortable with. Perhaps school isn't the only way. Maybe homeschooling in a slightly more traditional way would set his mind at ease. A reading/story time and a math worksheet or two each day. A documentary the kids are interested in now and then. Perhaps inviting him to "teach" his kids (share) something of interest to him would draw him into the process and also give him something to say to people (and a confidence that he has an answer to the questions). <br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"qreply\"> --- On Fri, 10/5/12, Sandra Dodd <<a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"mailto:Sandra@...\">Sandra@...</a>> wrote:<br/>\n<br/>\nFrom: Sandra Dodd <<a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"mailto:Sandra@...\">Sandra@...</a>><br/>\nSubject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis<br/>\nTo: <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"mailto:AlwaysLearning@yahoogroups.com\">AlwaysLearning@yahoogroups.com</a><br/>\nDate: Friday, October 5, 2012, 6:57 PM<br/>\n<br/>\n-=-Don't expect him to learn by reading - this is life, not school! Not everyone learns by reading books and articles ;) He needs to see real evidence of how unschooling works - and right now, he's not seeing it.-=-<br/>\n<br/>\nYeah...<br/>\nIf you're in or near Florida and can afford it, try to get in on the imminent conference there. Ben Lovejoy is persuasive. Broc Higgins and my guy, Keith Dodd, will be there, too.<br/>\n<br/>\n<a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http://floridaunschoolingconference.com\">http://floridaunschoolingconference.com</a><br/>\n<br/>\nIt's probably too late to even talk to him about this, and the sessions are on weekdays, but perhaps another conference, if you can find one soon.<br/>\n<br/>\nBut honestly, he let you do things your way for years. You forgot to make part of that to convince him that it was a great idea. So now your turn is over. Take that graciously. Seven years is a long time for your turn in the debate. :-) You seem to have failed to score. <br/>\n<br/>\nIf he has a chance, though, he might decide your way is a good way, given a couple of years. Maybe more, maybe less<br/>\n<br/>\nSandra<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n------------------------------------<br/>\n<br/>\nYahoo! Groups Links<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] </span></blockquote></div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":322244815,"authorName":"Joyce Fetteroll","from":"Joyce Fetteroll <jfetteroll@...>","profile":"jfetteroll","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349694241","msgId":69316,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PDA3RDM3REFFLUVBQTktNDMyOS1CQkRFLUVGRjk3NTVCNjc4RkB2ZXJpem9uLm5ldD4=","inReplyToHeader":"PGs0bjhnZys4dWo2QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg==","referencesHeader":"PGs0bjhnZys4dWo2QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg=="},"prevInTopic":69315,"nextInTopic":69317,"prevInTime":69315,"nextInTime":69317,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"... If a poster had said she kept trying to get her kids to read something she felt it was important for them to know, do you think unschoolers here would","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-235221174\">On Oct 5, 2012, at 2:22 PM, vafnord23 wrote:<br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> > I gave up asking him to read things a long time ago because he wouldn't read them.<br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>If a poster had said she kept trying to get her kids to read something she felt it was important for them to know, do you think unschoolers here would sympathize with her?<br/>\n<br/>\nWhat advice do you think the unschoolers here would give if it was important to know, like being kind to people?<br/>\n<br/>\nHusbands are people just like kids. They react to being forced to learn the same way kids do. They react to having their feelings on what's important disregarded the same way kids do.<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> > I realized recently, after a very uncomfortable conversation with my husband, that he thinks unschooling is bullshit and always has. He demanded that I convince him that our children are learning.<br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>What would he like to see? What would make him comfortable that they're learning?<br/>\n<br/>\nAsk him. Write them down. Show him you're taking his concerns seriously.<br/>\n<br/>\nDon't belittle his fears. They're his kids and the fears for them have grown out of proportion since you haven't drawn him in.<br/>\n<br/>\nIt's likely he'll ask for too much. He's frightened. Don't get angry. You created the situation. Go through his points and find a beginning point to tackle them, just a handful of simple things you can show him, that can draw him into connecting with his kids.<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> > I told him that I wished he would read some about unschooling<br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>If he were doing something that you felt was damaging them, how would you react?<br/>\n<br/>\nIf his response was to shove literature at you, would that draw you closer to him and his ideas? What if you didn't trust the literature? What then?<br/>\n<br/>\nIf he seemed more concerned with what he wanted to do with "his" kids, and not about how his project with them was disregarding what you felt was important for them, then what?<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> > He complained that he didn't know what to say when his parents asked what our kids were doing.<br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>You could create a blog of what they're doing. The working spouse often does feel cut off from his family. He's going to work so you can stay home. It's not his "job" to keep up with what's going on. Part of your job should be in helping him feel in the loop.<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> > He belittled our children's interests. He worried aloud about strangers thinking our 7.5 yo is "slow".<br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>It's not an unexpected response. Most people let problems go until they can't stand it any longer. Then they blow up. Little worries become huge.<br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> > In short, my husband has not deschooled,<br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>If he turned the home upside down, say turned the home vegan or decided to take the kids to a Jewish temple, would it be up to you to get on board? Would you be at fault for not embracing it?<br/>\n<br/>\nWouldn't it be up to him to ease you in, to make the negative impact on you as little as possible? Wouldn't it be up to him to make sure you could still have your meat/pork until you decided -- if ever -- to fully embrace the beliefs with him and the kids?<br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> > I realized during the long dark night I had alone after this conversation, that if he insists our children go to school, that will eliminate the last reason I have for being married to him.<br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>And if you're not married to him, he can still insist the kids go to school and will probably have a judges backing on that since they will tend to side with the more conservative parent.<br/>\n<br/>\nAnd what if his new wife is good at drawing him into feeling like they're partners and she thinks a high pressure academic private school would be even better?<br/>\n<br/>\nIf you can't find a way to be his partner rather than trying to make him over into your mental clone on the subject of unschooling, then the above scenarios are very likely to happen. There are therapists who specialize in helping people respond in healthier ways to life. It might be called "relationship issues" or "life coaching". If you can't change on your own, it might be worth looking in to. <br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\nJoyce</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":301108410,"authorName":"Marina DeLuca-Howard","from":"Marina DeLuca-Howard <delucahoward@...>","profile":"matedgirl","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349690211","msgId":69315,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PENBUENTNkFYNVQzTXA3X3ZrUmYweFJVdEpTQUs1bTNRMWZRUjMzUlFuYXFUMUdwbUdDUUBtYWlsLmdtYWlsLmNvbT4=","inReplyToHeader":"PDZGNDYxNDkxLURFRDQtNENGMi1COUZBLTA3M0REMzhEQTZGQUBTYW5kcmFkb2RkLmNvbT4=","referencesHeader":"PGs0cWswbCtzamxyQGVHcm91cHMuY29tPgk8NkY0NjE0OTEtREVENC00Q0YyLUI5RkEtMDczREQzOERBNkZBQFNhbmRyYWRvZGQuY29tPg=="},"prevInTopic":69298,"nextInTopic":69316,"prevInTime":69314,"nextInTime":69316,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"What about Board Games, computer games, family reading...baking with dad? For some people school is not about learning or skills but grades, socializing,","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-1396637655\">What about Board Games, computer games, family reading...baking with dad?<br/>\n<br/>\nFor some people school is not about learning or skills but grades,<br/>\nsocializing, normal/average, or something else. But your partner might be<br/>\nwanting proof rather than report cards.<br/>\n<br/>\nHow about baking a cake with the kids or a gingerbread house?<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\nWe bake a gingerbread house for one for fun every year, so we have a yummy<br/>\nhouse covered in icing and candy. In an effort to build a better<br/>\ngingerbread house, my kids an I learned math skills, design skills, and<br/>\nengineering:) As the kids got more interested in building a better<br/>\nhouse--the cookie recipe changed, size of pieces to build changed, research<br/>\nwas a factor, and measuring was more precise. Of course as with all family<br/>\nbaking we needed: team work, reading, chemistry and math. They learned<br/>\nwhat they wanted/needed along the way.<br/>\n<br/>\nBaking might be a fun way for any dad to enjoy his children's feats of<br/>\nengineering, math and chemistry :) He can either join in the making or the<br/>\neating. Proof of skills is in the pudding quite literally here.<br/>\n<br/>\nIt sounds like you are interested in an alternative lifestyle, have a<br/>\nfantasy based on reading about unschooling(a big topic) and maybe should<br/>\nthink about focusing on living peacefully, building fun and lively<br/>\nrelationships? Forget rules, "unschooling bibles" and focus on what<br/>\nprinciples your family needs for peaceful living.<br/>\n<br/>\nWhat about sharing some of dad's hobbies? Music, art or building models?<br/>\nRelationships help unschooling and sometimes after a situation is fun,<br/>\nadults relax and see all the learning/knowledge the kids demonstrated or<br/>\nacquired in pursuit of fun. He is asking for proof of learning, real life<br/>\nlearning not abstract theory by experts--does that mean the kids aren't<br/>\nplaying monopoly with him or chess or checkers? Is he feeling left out?<br/>\nYou don't need to answer just consider if you facilitate sharing<br/>\naccomplishments with him or if he feels like a paycheck with no other<br/>\ncontribution possible under your rules unless he becomes an expert in<br/>\nunschooling by doing his "reading homework". If he is feeling more and<br/>\nmore shut out he is going to be upset and confused, hurt or angry or<br/>\nfearful.<br/>\n<br/>\nAs kids age dads tend to get more involved. Babies tend to need mommy<br/>\ntime, especially breastfed ones, and labour/birth are very mom-centred.<br/>\nAre you making room for him?<br/>\n<br/>\nMarina<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":247566989,"authorName":"Sandra Dodd","from":"Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>","profile":"sandralynndodd","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349572262","msgId":69298,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PDZGNDYxNDkxLURFRDQtNENGMi1COUZBLTA3M0REMzhEQTZGQUBTYW5kcmFkb2RkLmNvbT4=","inReplyToHeader":"PGs0cWswbCtzamxyQGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg==","referencesHeader":"PGs0cWswbCtzamxyQGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg=="},"prevInTopic":69297,"nextInTopic":69315,"prevInTime":69297,"nextInTime":69299,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"-=-If you can t use your own words, clearly and with conviction, to explain how unschooling works, and why it is so inspiring to you, maybe you are giving him","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-1461891773\">-=-If you can't use your own words, clearly and with conviction, to explain how unschooling works, and why it is so inspiring to you, maybe you are giving him the impression that you don't understand it. That might not give him confidence that his precious kids will be ok.-=-<br/>\n<br/>\nThanks, Robyn.<br/>\n<br/>\nThat's what I meant by the seven years. If someone doesn't really get it after seven years, and have so many clear and exciting stories of learning involving her own children, rather than just telling stories from other families, I can't imagine that unschooling was being done as fully and as well as it could have been.<br/>\n<br/>\nUnschooling shouldn't just be a passive thing, and a lack of school. It should be full and rich, and involve the dad before too long.<br/>\n<br/>\nSandra<br/>\n<br/>\n[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":359707411,"authorName":"dezignarob","from":""dezignarob" <dezignarob@...>","profile":"dezignarob","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349571412","msgId":69297,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PGs0cWswbCtzamxyQGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg==","inReplyToHeader":"PDE3NjU0NTI3LUQwMzEtNDY3NC04MDdGLTkwRThDMjQ1M0UyM0BTYW5kcmFkb2RkLmNvbT4="},"prevInTopic":69292,"nextInTopic":69298,"prevInTime":69296,"nextInTime":69298,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"=== how is it nutty === That whole long post I made, and this is where you are focusing? Really? I did write that saying you have been unschooling children","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-11835982\">=== how is it nutty ===<br/>\n<br/>\nThat whole long post I made, and this is where you are focusing? Really?<br/>\n<br/>\nI did write that saying you have been unschooling children from before their births would sound "a bit nutty". Get defensive about that if you want.<br/>\n<br/>\nBut you might also ask yourself whether describing unschooling in a way that probably sounds odd or strange to your husband, will help to bring him closer to approval of it. <br/>\n<br/>\nOr maybe part of the problem is that you aren't explaining it at all, but instead are saying "read this". <br/>\n<br/>\nIf you can't use your own words, clearly and with conviction, to explain how unschooling works, and why it is so inspiring to you, maybe you are giving him the impression that you don't understand it. That might not give him confidence that his precious kids will be ok.<br/>\n<br/>\nRobyn Coburn</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":322244815,"authorName":"Joyce Fetteroll","from":"Joyce Fetteroll <jfetteroll@...>","profile":"jfetteroll","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349565683","msgId":69292,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PDQ3Rjc3RUQ3LUQxRUEtNEJFOS05QzZELTVDRDE1QjgwQzI0MUB2ZXJpem9uLm5ldD4=","inReplyToHeader":"PDhCNzVCRTQzLTdGNjctNEEwMy04RjY4LUQ4RjM2OUQ3NDg4QkBTYW5kcmFkb2RkLmNvbT4=","referencesHeader":"PGs0bjhnZys4dWo2QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPgk8azRvMnJrK28yMDJAZUdyb3Vwcy5jb20+IDxDQUtYOThmZ1UzSEFfMVFwTDdlaThXRkM3UWFxKzhoLWFRdVJPOHQ5bl9TZDNYOWg5aGdAbWFpbC5nbWFpbC5jb20+IDxCRDY0N0M0OC04MUE0LTQzMEQtQkMzMy1GQTIzN0E2RkIwMjBAdmVyaXpvbi5uZXQ+IDw4Qjc1QkU0My03RjY3LTRBMDMtOEY2OC1EOEYzNjlENzQ4OEJAU2FuZHJhZG9kZC5jb20+"},"prevInTopic":69287,"nextInTopic":69297,"prevInTime":69291,"nextInTime":69293,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"... It doesn t necessarily flow that she will unschool them. The kids might end up back in school. ... It s confusing too because parents need to say they re","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-612564257\">On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Sandra Dodd wrote:<br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> > Do you mean that even though someone recovers from school,<br/>\n> it doesn't necessary follow that she will have children or that<br/>\n> if she does that she will unschool them? <br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>It doesn't necessarily flow that she will unschool them.<br/>\n<br/>\nThe kids might end up back in school.<br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> > this IS complicated in places (like Delaware, and Bangalore) <br/>\n> where people are sending babies to academic nurserie<br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>It's confusing too because parents need to say they're homeschooling officially while they're deschooling.<br/>\n<br/>\nJoyce<br/>\n<br/>\n[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":247566989,"authorName":"Sandra Dodd","from":"Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>","profile":"sandralynndodd","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349559236","msgId":69287,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PDhCNzVCRTQzLTdGNjctNEEwMy04RjY4LUQ4RjM2OUQ3NDg4QkBTYW5kcmFkb2RkLmNvbT4=","inReplyToHeader":"PEJENjQ3QzQ4LTgxQTQtNDMwRC1CQzMzLUZBMjM3QTZGQjAyMEB2ZXJpem9uLm5ldD4=","referencesHeader":"PGs0bjhnZys4dWo2QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPgk8azRvMnJrK28yMDJAZUdyb3Vwcy5jb20+IDxDQUtYOThmZ1UzSEFfMVFwTDdlaThXRkM3UWFxKzhoLWFRdVJPOHQ5bl9TZDNYOWg5aGdAbWFpbC5nbWFpbC5jb20+IDxCRDY0N0M0OC04MUE0LTQzMEQtQkMzMy1GQTIzN0E2RkIwMjBAdmVyaXpvbi5uZXQ+"},"prevInTopic":69286,"nextInTopic":69292,"prevInTime":69286,"nextInTime":69288,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"... Joyce, please clarify. You wrote Deschooling isn t unschooling. It s recovery from school. After the recovery period, they don t have to unschool. Do","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-1323406203\"><blockquote><span title=\"ireply\">> If unschooling starts with deschooling<br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>Joyce, please clarify. You wrote "Deschooling isn't unschooling. It's recovery from school. After the recovery period, they don't have to unschool."<br/>\n<br/>\nDo you mean that even though someone recovers from school, it doesn't necessary follow that she will have children or that if she does that she will unschool them? <br/>\n<br/>\n-=-Someone can't know if they're fully committed to their children learning by living if other kids their age aren't yet in school. The parent can be certain they're committed. But it isn't until compulsory school age starts when all the relatives are raining worry, all the neighbors are quizzing the kids about whether they're learning what they "should" be learning and a parent doesn't get concerned and do something schoolish that a parent can truly say they're unschooling.-=-<br/>\n<br/>\nYes. Although this IS complicated in places (like Delaware, and Bangalore) where people are sending babies to academic nurseries, with pressure from grandparents and neighbors and friends.<br/>\n<br/>\nSandra<br/>\n<br/>\n[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":247566989,"authorName":"Sandra Dodd","from":"Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>","profile":"sandralynndodd","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349558996","msgId":69286,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PEFGMUUyOEIyLTBCRjEtNDIwOS1CMjI2LTZBMjNBRjhFMjM5NUBTYW5kcmFkb2RkLmNvbT4=","inReplyToHeader":"PENBS1g5OGZnVTNIQV8xUXBMN2VpOFdGQzdRYXErOGgtYVF1Uk84dDluX1NkM1g5aDloZ0BtYWlsLmdtYWlsLmNvbT4=","referencesHeader":"PGs0bjhnZys4dWo2QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPiA8azRvMnJrK28yMDJAZUdyb3Vwcy5jb20+IDxDQUtYOThmZ1UzSEFfMVFwTDdlaThXRkM3UWFxKzhoLWFRdVJPOHQ5bl9TZDNYOWg5aGdAbWFpbC5nbWFpbC5jb20+"},"prevInTopic":69285,"nextInTopic":69287,"prevInTime":69285,"nextInTime":69287,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"-=-If unschooling starts with deschooling, as I have read over and over and over and over on sandradodd.com, what exactly is nutty about saying I started the","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-574409389\">-=-If unschooling starts with deschooling, as I have read over and over and<br/>\nover and over on sandradodd.com, what exactly is nutty about saying I<br/>\nstarted the process before my children were born?-=-<br/>\n<br/>\nIf I said I had been married since before I met my husband, would that seem odd? I met him in 1977, but we didn't get married until 1984. So how long have I been married, really?<br/>\n<br/>\nBy saying you couldn't even consider having children until you found out about unschooling, that really makes your husband seem entirely out of the picture. If you had children because of unschooling, and he doesn't know what it is, how must that make him feel?<br/>\n<br/>\nSandra<br/>\n<br/>\n[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":247566989,"authorName":"Sandra Dodd","from":"Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>","profile":"sandralynndodd","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349558872","msgId":69285,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PDE3NjU0NTI3LUQwMzEtNDY3NC04MDdGLTkwRThDMjQ1M0UyM0BTYW5kcmFkb2RkLmNvbT4=","inReplyToHeader":"PEQwMzNFOUI3LTg5ODItNDA3My04QjUyLTA0MTkyM0UwMUU3NEB2ZXJpem9uLm5ldD4=","referencesHeader":"PGs0bjhnZys4dWo2QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPgk8azRvMnJrK28yMDJAZUdyb3Vwcy5jb20+IDxDQUtYOThmZ1UzSEFfMVFwTDdlaThXRkM3UWFxKzhoLWFRdVJPOHQ5bl9TZDNYOWg5aGdAbWFpbC5nbWFpbC5jb20+IDxCRDY0N0M0OC04MUE0LTQzMEQtQkMzMy1GQTIzN0E2RkIwMjBAdmVyaXpvbi5uZXQ+IDxEMDMzRTlCNy04OTgyLTQwNzMtOEI1Mi0wNDE5MjNFMDFFNzRAdmVyaXpvbi5uZXQ+"},"prevInTopic":69283,"nextInTopic":69286,"prevInTime":69284,"nextInTime":69286,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"-=-Sorry, Sandra did say describing it so was nutty. It was even right there in the quote! Sorry about that.-=- That was Robyn, not me. ","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-788387894\">-=-Sorry, Sandra did say describing it so was nutty. It was even right there in the quote! Sorry about that.-=-<br/>\n<br/>\nThat was Robyn, not me.<br/>\n<br/>\n<a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlwaysLearning/message/69272\">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlwaysLearning/message/69272</a><br/>\n<br/>\n[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":247566989,"authorName":"Sandra Dodd","from":"Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>","profile":"sandralynndodd","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349558403","msgId":69283,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PEQyRTQ0MUVCLTY1M0UtNEI2My1BNUFBLUMxQTNGNUMyNDgyRUBTYW5kcmFkb2RkLmNvbT4=","inReplyToHeader":"PGs0cGQ4aytuMzZkQGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg==","referencesHeader":"PGs0cGQ4aytuMzZkQGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg=="},"prevInTopic":69282,"nextInTopic":69285,"prevInTime":69282,"nextInTime":69284,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"-=-While from mom s perspective it s been seven years, it s probably only been an issue for dad for a year or two - since the first child became school age .","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-272851232\">-=-While from mom's perspective it's been seven years, it's probably only been an issue for dad for a year or two - since the first child became "school age". Before than, what mom was "doing" with the kids didn't really matter to him; they wouldn't have been in school, anyway. -=-<br/>\n<br/>\nYes, but she's assuring us she's been unschooling for the whole time. <br/>\nI object to double-dipping. <br/>\n<br/>\nSeven years is a long time in a marriage relationship for the mother to fail to communicate how things are going with the children, I think.<br/>\n<br/>\nThe objections to the husband's lack of reading are all well and good, but to leave him to do his own reading instead of sharing the real, direct knowledge the mom must have gained in seven years of thinking about it was a failing. <br/>\n<br/>\nSandra<br/>\n<br/>\n[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":324592498,"authorName":"Tori","from":""Tori" <tandosmama@...>","profile":"tandosmama@bellsouth.net","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349540611","msgId":69282,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PGs0cGx1MyttOXFjQGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg==","inReplyToHeader":"PGs0bjhnZys4dWo2QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg=="},"prevInTopic":69279,"nextInTopic":69283,"prevInTime":69281,"nextInTime":69283,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"My husband is a voracious reader, but he won t read things if I suggest them in order to get him to be a believer in something. He wants to hear from me, in my","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-1356024315\">My husband is a voracious reader, but he won't read things if I suggest them in order to get him to be a believer in something. He wants to hear from me, in my own words and talking and about our children.<br/>\n<br/>\nSome of the other posts have suggested that you make a bigger effort to show him how your children are learning. Maybe stop talking about unschooling for awhile and focus on what your kids are actually doing and what they'd love to do.<br/>\n<br/>\nSee if you can apply your unschooling principles when you interact with your husband. (Maybe someone will post some links on Sandra's site..) I read that advice here awhile back and it makes all the difference.<br/>\n<br/>\nTori<br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"qreply\"> --- In <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"mailto:AlwaysLearning@yahoogroups.com\">AlwaysLearning@yahoogroups.com</a>, "vafnord23" <vafnord@...> wrote:<br/>\n><br/>\n> I realized recently, after a very uncomfortable conversation with my husband, that he thinks unschooling is bullshit and always has. He demanded that I convince him that our children are learning. I told him that I wished he would read some about unschooling (I was thinking of Sandra's site), and he said something like "just because I didn't read that guy's book"...<br/>\n> <br/>\n> </span></blockquote></div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":322244815,"authorName":"Joyce Fetteroll","from":"Joyce Fetteroll <jfetteroll@...>","profile":"jfetteroll","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349538069","msgId":69279,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PEQwMzNFOUI3LTg5ODItNDA3My04QjUyLTA0MTkyM0UwMUU3NEB2ZXJpem9uLm5ldD4=","inReplyToHeader":"PEJENjQ3QzQ4LTgxQTQtNDMwRC1CQzMzLUZBMjM3QTZGQjAyMEB2ZXJpem9uLm5ldD4=","referencesHeader":"PGs0bjhnZys4dWo2QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPgk8azRvMnJrK28yMDJAZUdyb3Vwcy5jb20+IDxDQUtYOThmZ1UzSEFfMVFwTDdlaThXRkM3UWFxKzhoLWFRdVJPOHQ5bl9TZDNYOWg5aGdAbWFpbC5nbWFpbC5jb20+IDxCRDY0N0M0OC04MUE0LTQzMEQtQkMzMy1GQTIzN0E2RkIwMjBAdmVyaXpvbi5uZXQ+"},"prevInTopic":69278,"nextInTopic":69282,"prevInTime":69278,"nextInTime":69280,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"... Sorry, Sandra did say describing it so was nutty. It was even right there in the quote! Sorry about that. Joyce [Non-text portions of this message have","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-595513193\">On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Joyce Fetteroll wrote:<br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> > No one said it was nutty.<br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>Sorry, Sandra did say describing it so was nutty. It was even right there in the quote! Sorry about that.<br/>\n<br/>\nJoyce<br/>\n<br/>\n[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":322244815,"authorName":"Joyce Fetteroll","from":"Joyce Fetteroll <jfetteroll@...>","profile":"jfetteroll","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349537982","msgId":69278,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PEJENjQ3QzQ4LTgxQTQtNDMwRC1CQzMzLUZBMjM3QTZGQjAyMEB2ZXJpem9uLm5ldD4=","inReplyToHeader":"PENBS1g5OGZnVTNIQV8xUXBMN2VpOFdGQzdRYXErOGgtYVF1Uk84dDluX1NkM1g5aDloZ0BtYWlsLmdtYWlsLmNvbT4=","referencesHeader":"PGs0bjhnZys4dWo2QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPgk8azRvMnJrK28yMDJAZUdyb3Vwcy5jb20+IDxDQUtYOThmZ1UzSEFfMVFwTDdlaThXRkM3UWFxKzhoLWFRdVJPOHQ5bl9TZDNYOWg5aGdAbWFpbC5nbWFpbC5jb20+"},"prevInTopic":69277,"nextInTopic":69279,"prevInTime":69277,"nextInTime":69279,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"... Deschooling isn t unschooling. It s recovery from school. After the recovery period, they don t have to unschool. Wearing a cast to allow a broken leg to","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-679443927\">On Oct 5, 2012, at 11:18 PM, Virginia Warren wrote:<br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> > If unschooling starts with deschooling<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>Deschooling isn't unschooling. It's recovery from school. After the recovery period, they don't have to unschool. <br/>\n<br/>\nWearing a cast to allow a broken leg to heal with the intention of running when it's done healing isn't running.<br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> > what exactly is nutty about saying I<br/>\n> started the process before my children were born?<br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>No one said it was nutty.<br/>\n<br/>\nSomeone can't know if they're fully committed to their children learning by living if other kids their age aren't yet in school. The parent can be certain they're committed. But it isn't until compulsory school age starts when all the relatives are raining worry, all the neighbors are quizzing the kids about whether they're learning what they "should" be learning and a parent doesn't get concerned and do something schoolish that a parent can truly say they're unschooling.<br/>\n<br/>\nJoyce<br/>\n<br/>\n[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":187853867,"authorName":"aldq75","from":""aldq75" <aldq75@...>","profile":"aldq75","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"3"},"subject":"Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349536963","msgId":69277,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PGs0cGljMytpYzYwQGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg==","inReplyToHeader":"PENBS1g5OGZnVTNIQV8xUXBMN2VpOFdGQzdRYXErOGgtYVF1Uk84dDluX1NkM1g5aDloZ0BtYWlsLmdtYWlsLmNvbT4="},"prevInTopic":69276,"nextInTopic":69278,"prevInTime":69276,"nextInTime":69278,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"... You didn t say that you started the deschooling process before they were born. You said you had been unschooling them from before birth. Those are two","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-1852294119\"><blockquote><span title=\"ireply\">> <br/>\n> If unschooling starts with deschooling, as I have read over and over and<br/>\n> over and over on sandradodd.com, what exactly is nutty about saying I<br/>\n> started the process before my children were born?<br/>\n> <br/>\n> <br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>You didn't say that you started the deschooling process before they were born. You said you had been unschooling them from before birth. Those are two very different things.<br/>\n<br/>\nAndrea Q</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":154304522,"authorName":"Meredith","from":""Meredith" <plaidpanties666@...>","profile":"plaidpanties666","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349531732","msgId":69274,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PGs0cGQ4aytuMzZkQGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg==","inReplyToHeader":"PDNFQkE4MEI2LTQ5MTQtNDVGNy04NkMyLUNBMDAwNjk5MTUzRUBTYW5kcmFkb2RkLmNvbT4="},"prevInTopic":69272,"nextInTopic":69276,"prevInTime":69273,"nextInTime":69275,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"... While from mom s perspective it s been seven years, it s probably only been an issue for dad for a year or two - since the first child became school age .","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-213128623\">Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> > Seven years is a long time for your turn in the debate. :-) <br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>While from mom's perspective it's been seven years, it's probably only been an issue for dad for a year or two - since the first child became "school age". Before than, what mom was "doing" with the kids didn't really matter to him; they wouldn't have been in school, anyway. <br/>\n<br/>\n---Meredith</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":254796796,"authorName":"Virginia Warren","from":"Virginia Warren <vafnord@...>","profile":"vafnord23","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349493496","msgId":69276,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PENBS1g5OGZnVTNIQV8xUXBMN2VpOFdGQzdRYXErOGgtYVF1Uk84dDluX1NkM1g5aDloZ0BtYWlsLmdtYWlsLmNvbT4=","inReplyToHeader":"PGs0bzJyaytvMjAyQGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg==","referencesHeader":"PGs0bjhnZys4dWo2QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPgk8azRvMnJrK28yMDJAZUdyb3Vwcy5jb20+"},"prevInTopic":69274,"nextInTopic":69277,"prevInTime":69275,"nextInTime":69277,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"==== I have been unschooling my children Miriam (5.5) and Lydia (7.5) since before they were born. I literally couldn t face the idea of even having children","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-1925885829\">==== I have been unschooling my children Miriam (5.5) and Lydia (7.5) since<br/>\nbefore they were born. I literally couldn't face the idea of even having<br/>\nchildren until I found out about unschooling. ====<br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> > If you describe unschooling in ways that are a bit nutty, like this<br/>\n </span></blockquote>notion, then it will be harder for your husband to embrace, and honestly<br/>\nyou can't unschool children before they are born. <<br/>\n<br/>\nIf unschooling starts with deschooling, as I have read over and over and<br/>\nover and over on sandradodd.com, what exactly is nutty about saying I<br/>\nstarted the process before my children were born?<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":359707411,"authorName":"dezignarob","from":""dezignarob" <dezignarob@...>","profile":"dezignarob","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349488308","msgId":69272,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PGs0bzJyaytvMjAyQGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg==","inReplyToHeader":"PGs0bjhnZys4dWo2QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg=="},"prevInTopic":69271,"nextInTopic":69274,"prevInTime":69271,"nextInTime":69273,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"==== I have been unschooling my children Miriam (5.5) and Lydia (7.5) since before they were born. I literally couldn t face the idea of even having children","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-1134839224\">==== I have been unschooling my children Miriam (5.5) and Lydia (7.5) since before they were born. I literally couldn't face the idea of even having children until I found out about unschooling. ====<br/>\n<br/>\nIf you describe unschooling in ways that are a bit nutty, like this notion, then it will be harder for your husband to embrace, and honestly you can't unschool children before they are born. <br/>\n<br/>\n=== I gave up asking him to read things a long time ago because he wouldn't read them. It seems like I made a really big mistake in giving up on that, but it hurt so much to get rejected over and over.===<br/>\n<br/>\nLots of guys don't want to read a lot of stuff. They like bullet points and simplicity. My husband prefers things shining from a screen that are brief and pointed.<br/>\n<br/>\nBut there's something else here. <br/>\n<br/>\nYou are taking his dislike of reading this material as a personal rejection, a rejection of you. <br/>\n<br/>\nWhat if he felt rejected by your persistent efforts to change him with all this reading? What if every time you mentioned another piece of writing by some unschooling or parenting writer, he heard yet another criticism of himself, and his values, and his efforts for you?<br/>\n<br/>\nIt sounds like you have not met him with compassion or validation. It sounds like every time he expresses a fear or concern, you might have told him in effect, "You don't know what you are talking about. You are ignorant and stupid. Go read these people who are smarter than you in every way".<br/>\n<br/>\nMy husband James totally gets unschooling, has spoken at conferences, and has a deep, intuitive understanding of natural learning. Despite our idyllic unschooling life we do disagree sometimes - usually my fault. <br/>\n<br/>\nYet even he gets annoyed if during any kind of conflict I start quoting unschoolers as ammunition for my point of view. Boy, does that irritate him to no end - even though he generally agrees with the info I may be quoting.<br/>\n<br/>\n=== He demanded that I convince him that our children are learning.===<br/>\n<br/>\nIf our home States can make these demands of so many of us, it is not actually unreasonable that a loving father should wish for reassurance that his children are learning. <br/>\n<br/>\nIf you can possibly let go of the idea that "he demanded" something, let go of returning his demand with one of your own ("read this stuff about other people's kids"), and see instead the loving motive behind it - his need for reassurance, his need to take care of his kids and see them safe and happy - you will find it a much easier need to meet.<br/>\n<br/>\nI am not sure that your choices are between fully unschooling or putting your kids into school. If asking your kids to join you in doing some math worksheets, or putting together some lap books, or making a poster about some grade appropriate interesting topic, will provide that reassurance to him for now, surely that is less onerous than putting them into school. It might be enough. <br/>\n<br/>\n=== I told him that I wished he would read some about unschooling (I was thinking of Sandra's site), and he said something like "just because I didn't read that guy's book", and I asked "What guy?" and he said "John Holt!" and in a voice dripping with contempt, started to describe John Taylor Gatto. ===<br/>\n<br/>\nWell at least he has done some reading. It MAY have been so challenging to him, perhaps even painful if it described some of his schooling past, that it drove him into denial. <br/>\n<br/>\nHe may be reacting with contempt to what he feels is your contempt for him, in comparison to these luminaries.<br/>\n<br/>\n==== I literally couldn't face the idea of even having children until I found out about unschooling.===<br/>\n<br/>\nOr it MAY be that you have a lot more school damage to heal than he does. It may be that he genuinely had a ball at school, and really doesn't get what is wrong with schooling.<br/>\n<br/>\nPeople are always going to bring their own past experiences and beliefs into any situation. Two people can witness the same event or hear the same story and have two entirely different reactions. Some people will read anything with an eye to confirming their own beliefs.<br/>\n<br/>\n=== He demanded to know how our 7.5 yo was going to learn calculus. ===<br/>\n<br/>\n(Bet he found calculus challenging when he was in school.)<br/>\n<br/>\nThis is the slightly hysterical statement of a person in the grip of fear, since no ordinary 7.5 year old (outside of bona fide genius prodigies) studies calculus in school. I wish there was a way for you to kindly say something like, "We can cross that far away bridge when we come to it. Let's talk about what our 7.5 year old should be learning now. What do you need to reassure you?"<br/>\n<br/>\nPlus it sounds like he was on a roll down the slope of fear. People don't always say perfectly logical things when they are on that scary slope. Sometimes when James gets like that, or I get like that with him, or even Jayn gets into a locked in fear state, all you can do is let the person vent until they run out of steam, without taking any of the statements as serious calls to action, at least not without further examination when you all feel calmer and happier.<br/>\n<br/>\n=== I realized during the long dark night I had alone after this conversation, that if he insists our children go to school, that will eliminate the last reason I have for being married to him.===<br/>\n<br/>\nOnce upon a time there must have been other reasons that you married. I doubt that any person can be happy knowing that the only reason their spouse is staying with them is to use them as support to facilitate home schooling. If anything this makes you more accountable to him for their learning.<br/>\n<br/>\nNothing looks good in a long dark night. There is no situation that benefits from being examined in the emotional pain and inner turmoil and deep, physical drained emptiness of a long dark night. (Obviously I have had some long dark nights in my past life.) How hungry and thirsty and tired were you when you had this realization? How hungry and thirsty and tired were you when you wrote this post?<br/>\n<br/>\nI would suggest that you spend some time - call it part of your deschooling if it helps you - revisiting the early days of your marriage and courtship. Spend some time recalling what attracted you to him in the first place. Look at photos if you have them. Tell your kids the sweet stories about how you met, your first few dates, your wedding day, how you felt when you knew you were pregnant. <br/>\n<br/>\nWrite down everything for which you are grateful. Do this every day. Tell him. Stroke his arm or hold his hand while you tell him. <br/>\n<br/>\nThink of your five senses. Write down at least five things (or memories), at least one for each sense, about your husband that brings you joy or inspires your love. <br/>\n<br/>\nEat enough. Sleep enough. Get outside in the fresh air and sunshine (or shade if it is hot). Go for walks or swims or rides - bikes? horses?<br/>\n<br/>\nDon't focus on an approaching crisis. It will become a self-fulfilling prophesy. Don't back yourself or him into a corner where saving face becomes more important than saving your family. Consider being still and quiet instead. <br/>\n<br/>\nIt only takes one person to make a difference by changing the whole dynamic. He is still with you, still fighting for you and your marriage.<br/>\n<br/>\nRobyn Coburn<br/>\n<a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http://craft-it-easy.com\">http://craft-it-easy.com</a><br/>\n<a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http://iggyjingles.blogspot.com\">http://iggyjingles.blogspot.com</a></div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":187853867,"authorName":"aldq75","from":""aldq75" <aldq75@...>","profile":"aldq75","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"3"},"subject":"Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349482231","msgId":69271,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PGs0bnN0bitpMXRwQGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg==","inReplyToHeader":"PGs0bm5qdSszdGg3QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg=="},"prevInTopic":69270,"nextInTopic":69272,"prevInTime":69270,"nextInTime":69272,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"-=- Don t expect him to learn by reading - this is life, not school! Not everyone learns by reading books and articles ;) He needs to see real evidence of how","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-2007137679\">-=- Don't expect him to learn by reading - this is life, not school! Not everyone learns by reading books and articles ;) He needs to see real evidence of how unschooling works - and right now, he's not seeing it. Help him out. Show him that what he's looking for is there, it's just happening a little differently than it would in school. Give him answers to those awkward questions so he can say "oh, yeah, homeschooling is so cool - My Kids..." etc etc. -=-<br/>\n<br/>\nMy husband works long hours and we don't always get a lot of time to talk in the evenings. One way I show him what we've been doing is through photos on Flickr. I take pictures of adventures, but also of the everyday things we're doing (cooking, reading, games, bugs, outdoor play, Lego creations). I try to post detailed captions when the picture doesn't explain everything. He checks it every month or so and is always pleased with what he sees.<br/>\n<br/>\nSometimes we call him during the day to ask for suggestions of how to do (or explain) something or to ask for help with the PC when I'm stuck. That gives him a little snapshot of what's happening at home. Our kids are getting older now and they often are waiting at the door for him so they can tell/show him things. That's much better than me telling him things, but it's a fairly recent, yet spontaneous, addition to our routine.<br/>\n<br/>\nAndrea Q</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":247566989,"authorName":"Sandra Dodd","from":"Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>","profile":"sandralynndodd","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349477866","msgId":69270,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PDNFQkE4MEI2LTQ5MTQtNDVGNy04NkMyLUNBMDAwNjk5MTUzRUBTYW5kcmFkb2RkLmNvbT4=","inReplyToHeader":"PGs0bm5qdSszdGg3QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg==","referencesHeader":"PGs0bm5qdSszdGg3QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg=="},"prevInTopic":69269,"nextInTopic":69271,"prevInTime":69269,"nextInTime":69271,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"-=-Don t expect him to learn by reading - this is life, not school! Not everyone learns by reading books and articles ;) He needs to see real evidence of how","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-1746428412\">-=-Don't expect him to learn by reading - this is life, not school! Not everyone learns by reading books and articles ;) He needs to see real evidence of how unschooling works - and right now, he's not seeing it.-=-<br/>\n<br/>\nYeah...<br/>\nIf you're in or near Florida and can afford it, try to get in on the imminent conference there. Ben Lovejoy is persuasive. Broc Higgins and my guy, Keith Dodd, will be there, too.<br/>\n<br/>\n<a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http://floridaunschoolingconference.com\">http://floridaunschoolingconference.com</a><br/>\n<br/>\nIt's probably too late to even talk to him about this, and the sessions are on weekdays, but perhaps another conference, if you can find one soon.<br/>\n<br/>\nBut honestly, he let you do things your way for years. You forgot to make part of that to convince him that it was a great idea. So now your turn is over. Take that graciously. Seven years is a long time for your turn in the debate. :-) You seem to have failed to score. <br/>\n<br/>\nIf he has a chance, though, he might decide your way is a good way, given a couple of years. Maybe more, maybe less<br/>\n<br/>\nSandra<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n<br/>\n[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":154304522,"authorName":"plaidpanties666","from":""plaidpanties666" <plaidpanties666@...>","profile":"plaidpanties666","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349476798","msgId":69269,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PGs0bm5qdSszdGg3QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg==","inReplyToHeader":"PGs0bjhnZys4dWo2QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg=="},"prevInTopic":69268,"nextInTopic":69270,"prevInTime":69268,"nextInTime":69270,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"... ************** He needs your help in order to see what his kids are learning in ways that make sense to him. Don t just ask him to trust - he s getting","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-1108374404\">"vafnord23" <vafnord@...> wrote:<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> >He described the idea that children can learn without being taught as "ridiculous".<br/>\n </span></blockquote>************<br/>\n<br/>\nHe needs your help in order to see what his kids are learning in ways that make sense to him. Don't just ask him to trust - he's getting all sorts of messages from co-workers and his own parents that it's crazy to trust kids to learn what they need to know. Give him some data. I'm going to guess that you live somewhere you don't have to report much of anything to the government, so do some research into the kinds of documentation other homeschoolers need to provide - maybe something like that would reassure him that his kids aren't turning into... zombie couch toasters.<br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> >>He worried aloud about strangers thinking our 7.5 yo is "slow".<br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>Is she? If not, can you show him that? If she is, can you show him you're doing something to help?<br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> >If he insists that our children go to school, I don't know if there's any way I'll be able to stop it<br/>\n </span></blockquote>**********<br/>\n<br/>\nSo don't set him up to feel like he has to insist. Show him that what you're doing is setting his kids up to succeed in ways which are meaningful to him. Even if it means backing away from some kind of unschooling ideal. <br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"ireply\"> >He belittled our children's interests.<br/>\n<br/>\n </span></blockquote>Maybe he's panicking. Try to see his perspective - he has two school-age kids and so Of Course everyone asks "how are your kids doing in school?" and then "oh, homeschooling? how does that work? what are they studying?" Ummmmm..... The poor guy is hanging out on a wire trying to justify some crazy theories he doesn't understand.<br/>\n<br/>\nDon't expect him to learn by reading - this is life, not school! Not everyone learns by reading books and articles ;) He needs to see real evidence of how unschooling works - and right now, he's not seeing it. Help him out. Show him that what he's looking for is there, it's just happening a little differently than it would in school. Give him answers to those awkward questions so he can say "oh, yeah, homeschooling is so cool - My Kids..." etc etc. <br/>\n<br/>\n---Meredith</div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":177967425,"authorName":"teresa","from":""teresa" <treesock@...>","profile":"treesock","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349470683","msgId":69268,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PGs0bmhrcitwMWJiQGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg==","inReplyToHeader":"PDc5QjNGNTcwLUJERjYtNDlEOS1COUE5LUREREEyQUE1QkE4QUBTYW5kcmFkb2RkLmNvbT4="},"prevInTopic":69266,"nextInTopic":69269,"prevInTime":69267,"nextInTime":69269,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"What if you agreed to put them in school, say, at the winter break. You could make between now and then as fantastic as you could--super fun stuff for the","messageBody":"<div id=\"ygrps-yiv-1307349011\">What if you agreed to put them in school, say, at the winter break. You could make between now and then as fantastic as you could--super fun stuff for the whole family--musuems, water parks, visiting new cities and relatives, festivals, living history events, whole-house forts, cool toys, puppet shows, big art projects, theater matinees, hikes through the woods, whatever the whole 9 yards looks like for your family. <br/>\n<br/>\nYour husband may relax into the experiences knowing that school would be coming, but meanwhile, you would be having a really great time together, learning together, and that would be something to build on in the future. It might open up possibilities that seem pretty closed right now. <br/>\n<br/>\nBut, I think this kind of thing would only work if you were really, truly open to them being in school at the end of it. I think if you set your husband up for a switcheroo, it could make things way worse.<br/>\n<br/>\nTeresa<br/>\n<br/>\n<blockquote><span title=\"qreply\"> --- In <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"mailto:AlwaysLearning@yahoogroups.com\">AlwaysLearning@yahoogroups.com</a>, Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...> wrote:<br/>\n><br/>\n> -=-I have been unschooling my children Miriam (5.5) and Lydia (7.5) since before they were born. I literally couldn't face the idea of even having children until I found out about unschooling-=-<br/>\n> <br/>\n> If someone wants to be an unschooler and can't manage to do all the things it takes to make it happen well, then I don't think she should say she has been doing it for over seven and a half years. I guess over eight years, if you're counting the pregnancy.<br/>\n> <br/>\n> One of the things involved is getting your partner on board with it. <br/>\n> <br/>\n> It's possible that when the kids were young he didn't care because they wouldn't have been in school anyway. And that's why I don't like to support people's claims that they're unschooling before their kids are of compulsory school age, because if their kids DO go to school, then they weren't unschooling.<br/>\n> <br/>\n> You need your spouse's approval and cooperation for unschooling to work. A marriage and school would be better for your children than a divorce and school. So at this point, your best bet might be to put them in school. I'm serious, and this is why:<br/>\n> <br/>\n> If they enter school, you can still do cool things with them, and help them. If school isn't going well for them, your husband will know for sure that you know a good alternative, and if you unschool after that, it will be his decision too, and that's powerful and solid.<br/>\n> <br/>\n> If they go to school and they like it, it's possible that the school damage that kept you from wanting to have children is your burden to overcome, and some counselling and recovery would help you, and you shouldn't pass your trauma on to your children.<br/>\n> <br/>\n> If you get a divorce, and your kids are in school, then your husband might remarry someone who's even MORE pro-school, and who has other ideas you don't agree with. <br/>\n> <br/>\n> If you stay married, your children grow up with both parents. If you learn to get along with your husband, maybe he'll even be grateful and appreciative enough to try homeschooling again just because you want to. <br/>\n> <br/>\n> You haven't been his partner, in this area. Now you're adversaries. <br/>\n> <br/>\n> The marriage is more important than the unschooling.<br/>\n> <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http://sandradodd.com/divorce\">http://sandradodd.com/divorce</a><br/>\n> <br/>\n> Sandra<br/>\n> <br/>\n> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br/>\n> </span></blockquote></div>","specialLinks":[]},{"userId":247566989,"authorName":"Sandra Dodd","from":"Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>","profile":"sandralynndodd","replyTo":"LIST","spamInfo":{"isSpam":false,"reason":"12"},"subject":"Re: [AlwaysLearning] Unsupportive partner - situation approaching crisis","postDate":"1349463610","msgId":69266,"canDelete":false,"contentTrasformed":false,"systemMessage":false,"headers":{"messageIdInHeader":"PDc5QjNGNTcwLUJERjYtNDlEOS1COUE5LUREREEyQUE1QkE4QUBTYW5kcmFkb2RkLmNvbT4=","inReplyToHeader":"PGs0bjhnZys4dWo2QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg==","referencesHeader":"PGs0bjhnZys4dWo2QGVHcm91cHMuY29tPg=="},"prevInTopic":69265,"nextInTopic":69268,"prevInTime":69265,"nextInTime":69267,"topicId":69265,"numMessagesInTopic":0,"msgSnippet":"-=-I have been unschooling my children Miriam (5.5) and Lydia (7.5) since before they were born. 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And that's why I don't like to support people's claims that they're unschooling before their kids are of compulsory school age, because if their kids DO go to school, then they weren't unschooling.<br/>\n<br/>\nYou need your spouse's approval and cooperation for unschooling to work. A marriage and school would be better for your children than a divorce and school. So at this point, your best bet might be to put them in school. I'm serious, and this is why:<br/>\n<br/>\nIf they enter school, you can still do cool things with them, and help them. 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It seems like I made a really big mistake in giving up on that, but it hurt so much to get rejected over and over.<br/>\n<br/>\nI realized recently, after a very uncomfortable conversation with my husband, that he thinks unschooling is bullshit and always has. He demanded that I convince him that our children are learning. I told him that I wished he would read some about unschooling (I was thinking of Sandra's site), and he said something like "just because I didn't read that guy's book", and I asked "What guy?" and he said "John Holt!" and in a voice dripping with contempt, started to describe John Taylor Gatto. He described the idea that children can learn without being taught as "ridiculous". He demanded to know how our 7.5 yo was going to learn calculus. He complained that he didn't know what to say when his parents asked what our kids were doing. He belittled our children's interests. He worried aloud about strangers thinking our 7.5 yo is "slow".<br/>\n<br/>\nI sent him <a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"http://sandradodd.com/tv\">http://sandradodd.com/tv</a> to read over, and the only response I got from him were snarky comments about the Carl Sagan quote.<br/>\n<br/>\nIn short, my husband has not deschooled, and in fact has absolutely no interest in doing so, or reading any of the arguments for the benefit of doing so. If he insists that our children go to school, I don't know if there's any way I'll be able to stop it, considering the state's position on schooling. I realized during the long dark night I had alone after this conversation, that if he insists our children go to school, that will eliminate the last reason I have for being married to him.<br/>\n<br/>\nHow do I go forward from here?</div>","specialLinks":[]}],"prevTopicId":69341,"nextTopicId":69330}}
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{"Reviews": [{"Author": "Jarrad L.", "ReviewID": "vmJHsPRUX4lPHHH9OQKAog", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "I love Saigon Palace too, but this place has the best pancake and vietnamese rolls in Charlotte, hands down!Love this place and cannot get enough of it.", "Date": "2014-04-21", "Author_Location": "Los Angeles, CA"}, {"Author": "Dana N.", "ReviewID": "avouBPU0GbkM0f0ZEE7KcQ", "Overall": "3.0", "Content": "Okay place to get your Vietnamese fix.It's a nice place, space wise, however the food isn't out of this world. It's okay for Vietnamese food in the South. Can't really compare it to California or homemade Would I come back again? Idk, depending if the other Vietnamese places aren't good. To start the Pho, wasn't so... good. You get a lot, for the price you pay. I got a small which was about 8ish dollars. Not too bad, it's just the broth, there isn't much beef flavor in it. Like they didn't cook the ox/ or beef bone long enough. It pretty much taste like hot water with a slight beef flavor. Those of you who know PHO, know that the broth is what makes the soup!I Also order Spring Roll, 2 rolls for $3.50... It was pretty good, the rice vermicelli noodles were cooked nicely, it wasn't hard- which mean they didn't pre make the rolls, they made it to order. The mint and other herbs in it was fresh too. And the Shrimp and pork belly fat were cooked perfectly. I also order the rice vermicelli ( because I'm a fatty xD lol... I actually brought it back to the hotel), That was actually really GOOD! So much better than the pho! Veggies were fresh, the noodles were cooked correctly, the meat (pork, shirmp an eggroll), were nicely flavored and grilled. If I were to come back again that is what I would order again.Lastly, the fried banana.... ugh such a disappointment =(. I thought it was the traditional Vietnamese fried bananas (chuoi chien). That was a big NOPE!, it was baby banana wrapped in a wonton skin and deep fried Dx.... The foodie in me just died when it came out to me... So if you ever had Traditional Vietnamese Fried Banana, this is a SAD EXCUSE OF CHUOI CHIEN!", "Date": "2014-07-18", "Author_Location": "Gladstone, MO"}, {"Author": "Dan C.", "ReviewID": "GRL8p_biHDJ9PUaS0oYszA", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Quite easily, the best pho in Charlotte. \u00a0It's currently a four-star rating, but that's only because I haven't tried the rest of their dishes. \u00a0One less star just means there's room to grow - I don't want to cap its potential!This place is a bit under the radar. \u00a0Everyone raves about Vietnam Grille, Pho Hoa, Saigon Palace, etc. but none of them beat the pho at Doan's. \u00a0It's time to blow this place up and let everyone know:The broth is unbeatable. \u00a0Have you made ramen noodles and poured in that powder soup base? \u00a0The directions generally say you should add the powder after the water is boiling. \u00a0What ends up happening is that the soup still just tastes a bit watery and bland. \u00a0Sure, it's fully dissolved, but it's different from when you just pour the powder in with the water, pre-boil. \u00a0(Yeah, I'm a ramen master... I got accoutrements you can't even imagine!). \u00a0So... back to the broth - it's nowhere near bland and doesn't have too much star anise, cinnamon, or whatever spice gives it a light sweet taste.Doan's might be under the radar for the general public, but apparently Vietnamese people know what's up. \u00a0It's always a good sign when there's a bunch of Vietnamese people in a Vietnamese restaurant, dontcha think? \u00a0They have options, but they choose to come here. \u00a0Service Highlight - We got all of the limes that are table wanted. \u00a0Lime shortage? \u00a0Ain't nobody got time for that? \u00a0Certainly not Doan's. \u00a0They're not sheisty with their limes. \u00a0(Really? \u00a0A shortage of limes causing its price to spike? \u00a0It's a friggin' lime, but I digress.)I'm a fan. \u00a0Pho lovers, give this place a shot.dmo out.", "Date": "2014-06-01", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Paul C.", "ReviewID": "5Mo7fbL3tiqrNyA-TO4Gjw", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "4.5 stars. Really great Vietnamese food here. I was reluctant to try it because my Vietnamese friend from work doesn't like Doan's, for whatever reason. But I said what the heck. So I've got strep throat, and I'm thinking the Jewish Mother's cure - Chicken Soup. Voila.....PHO! Great opportunity to check out Doans. I am VERY glad I did.Started with the summer roll, which is light and wrapped in rice paper. I wanted a healthier alternative than the deep fried egg rolls, and this hit the spot. I did find it odd that they gave you an entire squirt bottle of peanut sauce....but, it was really good so no complaints about the odd presentation.Then the pho. I got Chicken Pho to help quell my strepped throat, and this was VERY good pho! I love Vietnam Grille's Pho as well. Theirs is a little \"heartier\" and Doan's is more \"feminine\" and complex, with deliciously developed flavors and aromatics. Lots of scallions too which I love. They give you some bean sprouts, fresh basil, jalapeno's and lime as optional add ins. I added a little of each. The vermicelli at the bottom of the pho was good, but I was surprised at the white meat chicken. I thought, OH NO, plain old chicken breast with no flavor. SURPRISE.....the chicken picked up the delicious flavors of the pho broth and it was very good! Pure chicken breast and a good bit of it, all makes for a healthy yet satisfying dish!Just had to also try their Singapore noodles.....OK so I'm full a this point, but I live 5 mins away and thank God for takeout......so they bring it (my waitress probably thought I was a piggy for ordering all this food - oink, oink, snort) and it was very good. Nice flavors, but a tad dry for my liking....I would have preferred a bit more curry sauce, but overall the flavors were there.Nice folks who work in here, and it's a clean place with Vietnamese music playing. Oh, I did get to listen to Vietnamese RAP for one song......WOW did that sound different! It wasn't like that crappy gangsta rap or anything, just Will Smith-like......in Vietnamese. It was......different.Overall a really great restaurant. I will definitely be back!", "Date": "2014-05-31", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Charles K.", "ReviewID": "T9sqfTy6YYOWTXPdIQeVQQ", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Alright so like most of my reviews it was my first time here. I got the Grilled Chicken Broken Rice I believe it was R5 on the menu. It was pretty good I'm not going to lie. But the rice was a little sweet. Because they give you fish sauce and I was just listening to my sister when she said to pour it on the rice and the chicken. Maybe next time I can put a little less on but it was definitely good. The chicken was also pretty good and if you like spicy things you should use the chili paste, in the rice and on the chicken. I will possibly come here again but I don't think it's worth the drive for me. It is good but not to die for.", "Date": "2014-06-06", "Author_Location": "Columbia, SC"}, {"Author": "Kat P.", "ReviewID": "ivuWBFe5aRN2-dyh9xSBJw", "Overall": "1.0", "Content": "The food was good but my biggest issue about this place is the service was pretty bad and the servers were pretty cocky.", "Date": "2014-06-01", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Christi K.", "ReviewID": "JRHMcxLB3_bBLo7ytU1q_A", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Legit. Don't let the strip mall exterior deter you. If you are looking for authentic Vietnamese food travel a littler further down (or up depending on where you are coming from) South Blvd to Doan's. The pho is spot on. The noodle bowls are awesome. The spring rolls are fresh. Service is prompt and friendly. My only complaint is that it is a bit pricey. On par with other Viet places around town but way higher than what I'm used to paying.", "Date": "2014-06-06", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Andrew N.", "ReviewID": "G1weNl_aIbKnKEO_Ob6rjg", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "I love the Pho here. It's the broth. The amazing broth. I spoke with the lady that owns the place and she told me that she actually uses beef bones and a family recipe for their beef Pho. The service is very friendly. I highly recommend the Pho here and the Avocado Bubble Tea. She uses a lot of fresh avocados. I RECOMMEND THIS PLACE", "Date": "2014-03-16", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Alex C.", "ReviewID": "jtGrGEkpqiuGEpLRVwVpZQ", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "This is a damn good place for Vietnamese food. We've tried their Bun Bo Hue, chicken vermicelli, crispy white rice noodles, egg rolls, and its all good. The portions are good and the price is right. Other Vietnamese people also think so since they can be spotted there. This place is a must everytime we stop by the CTL. Everybody else raves about the Pho. I gotta try it next time.", "Date": "2014-06-11", "Author_Location": "Columbia, SC"}, {"Author": "Weekendgirl G.", "ReviewID": "IRmooDEkwdIXk9hjK5EXNw", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "This was my first time going into a Vietnamese restaurant and I was very impressed! I went here for lunch and ordered the vegetarian lemongrass noodle dish! It was phenomenal. The ingredients were fresh and the service was great!", "Date": "2014-04-20", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Saibaitong D.", "ReviewID": "50ngpxd2jkivIlX3OFG_aQ", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Love the Pho here, the broth is rich and their tendon is boiled to perfection. \u00a0Service was great and fast!!! \u00a0$8.95 for a small bowl was a lil' pricey but it was enough to surprisingly fill me up. Will be back.", "Date": "2014-04-23", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Toni K.", "ReviewID": "TGel1VXE_gIMEhy3YowBCA", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Amazing service, amazing food, and amazing drinks. If you love a good strong coffee please try the Vietnamese coffee and something new (well for me) the avocado shake. What a gem of a place.", "Date": "2014-05-08", "Author_Location": "Maryville, TN"}, {"Author": "Sasha R.", "ReviewID": "a5Bqp8aDEPyXoLmlH4AYxA", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Vegetarian Pho and Lemongrass Tofu...amazing! \u00a0Trying to eat low calorie and low carb, so I ordered these dishes without rice or noodles, and they were still sooooo good. The pho broth is the best I've ever tried, with complex flavors and the ability to modify per your tastes (lime, jalape\u00f1o, sriracha, chili oil). It came loaded with soft tofu and veggies - cauliflower, broccoli, carrot, green onion, celery, mushrooms, bean sprouts. You can get crispy fried tofu if you prefer. The lemongrass tofu and vegetables was sweet but great. \u00a0Next time I'll add sriracha, but spicy is my personal preference. \u00a0We basically licked the plate clean. The Vietnamese coffee was such a treat. A glass with sweetened condensed milk is brought to the table with the coffee dripping down into the glass from a French press-type of contraption on top. The coffee itself is \u00a0strong and harsh. Went down like burnt rubber for a newbie coffee drinker like me. But once the milk is mixed in, it's delicious. And even better once it's poured over ice. The calorie heavy sweetened condensed milk makes it an indulgence I'll try to resist in the future, but I know now I'm likely to fail. I can't stop thinking of this place.", "Date": "2013-10-25", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Anne W.", "ReviewID": "KkAFyw1x22Ae8BROtZhR9g", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "I don't know why the address listing for this place says Ballyntine because the location is in Starmount. Regardless, it's well with the trip into a sketchy neighborhood. Prices are reasonable, service is excellent, and the food is fabulous! Hubby had a chicken dish in curry sauce served over rice while I had the grillers. My dish was great fun because the veggies, meat, noodles, & herbs are brought out individually so that the diner can assemble ingredients to taste and roll them all up in rice paper. Peanut sauce with just the right amount of heat is served for dipping. I thoroughly enjoyed playing with my food - and had even more fun eating it! :-DWe will definitely be going back to Doan's!!!", "Date": "2014-02-26", "Author_Location": "Rock Hill, SC"}, {"Author": "Adam G.", "ReviewID": "eg0ZWqzPkEp4jOOMfZanbw", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Had egg rolls, summer rolls, chicken and shrimp Singapore noodles, scallop apetizer, and a beef lemongrass dish. The egg rolls were hot and delicious, the summer rolls were soft and delicious, the Singapore noodles were my favorite, the scallops were very fresh, and the beef lemongrass dish was absolutely delicious. The service was great, and the food came out fast. Great place.", "Date": "2014-03-28", "Author_Location": "Cleveland, OH"}, {"Author": "Michael B.", "ReviewID": "phxVl0fWDhENxNYOsPtnGg", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "I've been here twice so far - both times have been exceptional. Do not be off put by the locale. Yes, it's near a Dollar General and a Sweepstakes place in a strip on South Blvd, but it's truly a diamond in the rough.The sweetened beverages are highly recommended - the Vietnamese coffee and jackfruit smoothie were both real treats. The menu features a great selection of not only Vietnamese dishes, but also Thai and Singaporean. The pancakes with lettuce and mint were pretty amazing, as was the spicy lemongrass tofu with vermicelli. Very happy I came here. No problems with service. Hope to be back soon.", "Date": "2013-10-27", "Author_Location": "Cary, NC"}, {"Author": "Mike G.", "ReviewID": "FiwBioHRNnOsBwXHzOoSDw", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Delicious pho. My favorite that I've had yet on the south side of town! The broth is very aromatic and herbacious. Good amount of meat, and you can tell they serve it hot and fresh (as the beef is ever so slightly pink when it arrives). My only qualm here is that I wish the dish of \"pho-ccutremen\" (basil, jalape\u00f1os, etc) offered a little extra jalape\u00f1os. No worries though, simply ask and you shall receive. My friend ordered a dish featuring shrimp and lemongrass. She seemed to enjoy it quite a bit as well. The Vietnamese coffee was SO. GOOD. Perfect amount of condensed milk. Service can be a little slow sometimes, and they aren't typically as friendly about answering questions regarding a particular dish. But, nothing that would ever keep me from returning.", "Date": "2013-11-26", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Karuna S.", "ReviewID": "SaqToSq9eLt7S1OM5MxoHw", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Best vegetarian pho in town... And their lemon grass tofu is also absolutely delish! Doan's has quickly become a favorite spot for my husband and I, and we treat ourselves to their fantastic food and friendly service at least once every 10 days. Did I mention their thai iced tea? If I ever see thai tea on a menu, I have to try it. Some places make it too sweet, some too milky, some too strong - at Doan's, they make the perfect glass of iced tea! The ambiance is clean and bright, and their service quick and efficient - just another couple pluses!I see this restaurant staying on my list of top 10 casual spots in Charlotte for a while ;)", "Date": "2013-09-02", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Diana M.", "ReviewID": "IZn9hGLfnamLAbGG149iNw", "Overall": "1.0", "Content": "You should only come here if you like to get yelled at by a middle-aged Vietnamese woman because your server f'ed up. I'm not usually one to write a place off because of shoddy customer service, but this experience TOOK THE CAKE. There are three acts to this drama:ACT ONE:(Customer walks in. New to this restaurant, she stands around in the entryway wondering if she should seat herself? She approaches the register at the back of the restaurant.)Customer: Hi, I've never been here before. Do I seat myself?Server: Oh... Hold on.\"(walks away for a few minutes, comes back to counter and grabs menus, plops them on nearby table, walks away)...ok?ACT TWO:Server: Can I get you anything to drink?Customer: Yes, I'd like a Vietnamese coffee (please note: they offer both hot and iced Vietnamese coffee, and the server does not ask which kind)(ten minutes pass, server approaches table with iced coffee)Customer: Oh, I'm sorry. I ordered the hot coffee?Server: You didn't say that you wanted it hot.(Right. But I didn't say I wanted it iced, either. I think that's your job??)(Server makes a face and walks away, hollering in Vietnamese)ACT THREE:(After eating about 1/3 of her veggie pho, Customer asks for a To-Go box for her food, and for her friend's food. Friend goes to the bathroom. Server returns with checks.)Server: Does your friend need a box for her food?Customer: Yes, she also wants a box.(Server picks up Customer's 1/3-eaten bowl of soup and walks away. Customer, who recently went to the AMAZING Lang Van restaurant on the other side of town, was expecting him to bag up her food for her, as they do at LANG VAN WHICH IS A WAY BETTER PLACE TO EAT OK)(After Customer and Friend pay and are getting ready to leave, Customer realizes she never got her food back)Customer: Excuse me, where did my soup go? I asked for a To-Go box?Server: No you didn't.Customer: Um, I did actually.Server: (unrepentant) We threw it away.(Customer leaves the store, but is a little confused. She did, after all, pay for the entirety of her meal. And as Friend confirms, she asked for a To-Go box for herself earlier. It all just doesn't seem fair. So she goes back in to try to figure out a solution and possibly redeem the situation. SPOILER: THIS WAS A HUGE MISTAKE!)(Customer approaches register counter, where a surly, middle-aged Vietnamese lady who looks like all of the joy has been sucked from her life, is standing)Customer: Yes, hi. I'm a little confused. I just paid for my entire meal, ate less than half of it and now, despite asking to finish it, won't get to?Crypt Keeper: (instantly furious) YOU DID NOT SAY YOU WANTED BOX.Customer: ...Um, I'm sorry, but I did. I said that we both wanted boxes. You weren't anywhere near my table when I said I wanted a box.Crypt Keeper: WE CAN'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR MISTAKE.Customer: (trying hard to be reasonable) I don't really understand how it's my mistake when I told my server that I wanted a box?Crypt Keeper: YOU NEED TO SAY YOU WANT BOX. WE CAN'T GIVE AWAY FOOD.Customer: But you're not. I paid for my food, and you threw away my food. I just want my portion of my food... that I paid for...???Crypt Keeper: FINE. I WILL GIVE YOU BROTH AND NOODLES. NEXT TIME, DO NOT MAKE THIS MISTAKE.Um, lady, there will NEVER BE a next time and I am definitely going to make sure that no one I ever know will have to deal with you and your terrible establishment ever again.AAAAAND... SCENE!As someone who works in customer service and regularly gets reamed by customers, I did everything in my power to remain calm, level-headed and (most of all) KIND to the people I was encountering when all of this was happening. I cannot possibly understand why, as a paying customer, I was treated like I was the person serving the establishment that I was eating at. I wasn't asking for much: just MY food that I PAID FOR. And I really can't understand how/why this place stays in business when the servers regularly do not listen to or HELP their customers?TLDR: Go to Lang Van. Or Three Amigos. Or freaking McDonald's... I don't care. Just spare yourself the indignity and eat elsewhere.", "Date": "2014-02-08", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Colette L.", "ReviewID": "acg_ivMJCC3QhFg7d7_b9Q", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "This is one of my family's favorite restaurants. Great pho and LOVE the Banh Xeo Vietnamese pancake.It is also a very clean and comfortable restaurant.", "Date": "2014-04-04", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Chad E.", "ReviewID": "-QGTMGfFCBpG7CcRNvUPiw", "Overall": "3.0", "Content": "Doan's is a - relatively - new Vietnamese place way down South Boulevard. If you're in the area, it's certainly worth a stop. The decor is almost non-existent, but that's not really a problem. It's clean, and that is all that matters when it comes to the atmosphere.It's the food that shines at Doan's. On the downside, the staff isn't that great at helping you if you aren't sure what you want, so you might want to study up before you come in. They are friendly enough, but it's like one of those places that you ask and they tell you that everything is good.On the good side, everything is solid - just don't look to the staff for help deciding. Prices are also good, and the service is fast too!", "Date": "2013-08-26", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Marquitta D.", "ReviewID": "cEKKZEH5gul4MnUPfsl_Uw", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "I am excited to have searched for Vietnamese today. Excellent location. I usually drive over 30min. That is definetly a trip. It only took me less than 15 minutes today. After I looked over the Vegetarian options I got excited when I seen Singapore noodles. The Thai Iced tea and dessert options were appealing to. So with only an hour lunch I needed to pick quickly. I ordered Spicy Lemongrass Tofu, which is excellent.I will be returning.", "Date": "2013-11-25", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Robin C.", "ReviewID": "mVZTBgPiVVIv33BN5Km4yg", "Overall": "3.0", "Content": "I was looking forward to trying this restaurant. \u00a0My first and only Vietnamese restaurant experience is in my part of town, and what a great place it is! \u00a0At Lang Van, it is all fresh herbs and \u00a0homemade sauces. \u00a0So, with great anticipation, I went. \u00a0I was glad to see that Doan's has a vegetarian menu. \u00a0The only accessible menu online was a snapshot. \u00a0There was glare, and I think that the vegetarian part was omitted.I ordered the summer rolls as an appetizer. \u00a0They were nicely wrapped and included tofu, vegetables and noodles. \u00a0The peanut sauce was served in a squeeze bottle, which I found somewhat off putting. \u00a0It also was sweet and syrupy, reminding me of carmel sauce.For my entree, I ordered Pad Thai. \u00a0It came with tofu and vegetables, all cooked very well. \u00a0It had a smattering of peanuts to the side of the plate. \u00a0It wasn't very spicy, although I think the description called it as such. \u00a0I put a large amount of siracha \u00a0sauce on it to add that bite that I love. \u00a0The dish also seemed a bit more sweet than savory.The service was good, and it definitely was not a bad experience. \u00a0But, I will probably stay on my side of town when I am craving Vietnamese food.", "Date": "2014-03-12", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Erica D.", "ReviewID": "Z8gvr5YW2Tt6QRzwQ4MTmg", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Solid bowls of pho and a huge menu of other Vietnamese specialties in a clean and kind environment. The pho tai broth was the best part of the dish - extremely tasteful with the right amount of star anise. I wanted to drink it. The noodles were great and held their consistency while soaking up the flavors. The beef was just average - sliced perfectly thin but a little flavorless. I ordered the small bowl, and immediately thought I should have ordered more noodles when it was placed in front of me, but I couldn't even finish my bowl and left so very full that a drink of water could have made me explode.We also opted for a Vietnamese iced coffee and Thai iced tea. I've had the Thai style tea before, and this one was delicious and sweet. The Vietnamese coffee was a first, and the woman who served us showed us how to prepare the coffee from start to finish using all the tools. She was so nice, as was everyone else we came across. When we relocate to the area, I know this will become one of our regular spots. The only thing that could enhance our experience is if they served Banh Mi, which they stopped doing a few months ago. Perhaps if people keep asking, it'll make it's appearance again.", "Date": "2013-10-24", "Author_Location": "Lansing, MI"}, {"Author": "Jin C.", "ReviewID": "h7G2QUwM9L72jyXMfYqwaw", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Newbie to the area, so I went by the reviews on yelp. First impression, awkward location. Smaller restaurant in a fairly big plaza, it wasn't so easy to find. Not a big deal though. We were greeted immediately upon arriving and seated right away. The waiter was nice, but he did not understand English. We had to do a lot of pointing at the menu when he took our orders.Although it was a fairly busy night, they managed to get our food to us in a timely manner. The food overall was delicious. We ordered bun bo hue, broken rice combo, firecracker shrimp, and summer rolls. We did not like the peanut sauce for the summer rolls and had asked for fish sauce, but never got it. The green tea and Thai tea were yummy as well. If you can tolerate the service, I would recommend this place. I personally would definitely go back, but maybe on a less busier day or just for some take out.", "Date": "2013-10-28", "Author_Location": "Travelers Rest, SC"}, {"Author": "Daniel B.", "ReviewID": "kiICTcHFUr6l62dmQY6nvA", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Ended up in here for lunch and assumed I wouldn't have enough time for hot pot and in general it was 90 degrees outside so I plan to just save that for another time. I will say that after seeing the soup dishes at a few of the other tables I've only further solidified my desire to snag some in the future.This time I ended up with the vermicelli noodle dish, \"Singapore style\". I believe the only major difference between this and the other vermicelli dishes is the spiciness which I enjoyed. There are several meat selections that are possible but I went with the beef. The beef itself is fine but nothing really more than your typical inexpensive and thin sliced portion. Not that the portion was small at all though; I'd say \"just right\". Flavor and spice of the entire dish was good but there were a couple of bites that felt a little dryer than I'd prefer. All in all reasonably priced and good tasting meal at $8.75 which I thought was well worth it. Could have been a bit more spicy for my taste but that could be my fault for not requesting the house-made chili sauce Tonya P mentioned in her review.Ill definitely be headed back here again to explore other items on the menu; especially the soups. Ill be sure to update this review after that but don't expect an update on that until after the summer heat subsides!", "Date": "2013-07-29", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "David G.", "ReviewID": "XHaxhBOua-42hmSOym7ryA", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Place was clean. Service was great and food was delicious! I ordered their special lemon grass noodles with beef. Will definitely come here next time I pass through", "Date": "2014-03-28", "Author_Location": "Beachwood, OH"}, {"Author": "Elisabeth P.", "ReviewID": "gBzc62NaWSTzAljee4YBkA", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Doan's is the real deal. I mean, how do I say this? I enjoyed a recent dinner there as the only white people in the place. I was craving some pho which was killer. Also sampled shrimp pad thai, summer rolls and fried egg rolls. Actually, did not get to even try the pad thai because it was destroyed so quickly. I had read about how good the drinks are here. My boyfriend's beer did come in a chilled glass....filled with ice. He seemed not to mind. I had a fresh squeezed sparkling limeade..perfect for summer.Service is pretty fast, food is fresh, tasty and affordable. Can't wait to come back and try more of their giant menu including hot pot which everyone else in the place seemed to be ordered. Doan's is in a strip mall so parking is ample plus you can pick up pretty much anything else after your meal!", "Date": "2013-06-11", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Shauna C.", "ReviewID": "yhuqBHVDZTrlYPitrjYGng", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "the lemon grass chicken with vermicelli is bursting with flavor. About the max I can handle spice-wise but well-worth the red tingly lips! The noodles are perfectly cooked, not mushy in the least. Food is delivered quickly ( I opted for take-out) , and for approximately $7-10 you can have a satisfying meal with leftovers. If you do decide to eat-in the restaurant itself is very clean (with several booths) so don't be afraid of the strip mall exterior. \u00a0Now they just need to sell Banh-mi and I'd be a happy camper.", "Date": "2013-05-13", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Brian A.", "ReviewID": "li19YX-yeLpFm6q9aLy62Q", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Doan's you wish your girlfriend was hot like me? \u00a0Doan's you wish your...okay...enough of that. \u00a0The roll has been slowed.What a pleasant experience Doan's was. \u00a0The only thing better than walking into a Latin American restaurant to see that all their patrons have roots south of the border...is to walk into an Asian restaurant and see Asians eating there. \u00a0Tucked away in a shopping center off of South Blvd., Doan's packs plenty of flavor into a ten dollar meal. \u00a0While creating great flavors isn't all that hard to come by with Vietnamese food...cooking everything perfectly is. \u00a0Vermicelli...perfect, vegetables...perfect, seasoning...perfect, chicken....perfect. \u00a0I used Yelp on this one, and deferred to the tastebuds of my fellow Yelpers. \u00a0Spicy Lemongrass Chicken it is. \u00a0Sweet, fresh, and tad bit of spice, and this lemongrass was dancing on my tongue. \u00a0For those that like a bit of heat in their dishes, you may need to tell them to notch this up before ordering.Lastly, our service was great. \u00a0I will get his name next time I go back. \u00a0Very pleasant and came by the table without interrupting. \u00a0I'll definitely be back, but it will be hard to try something new. \u00a0This review goes to five stars if they can deliver on pho.Try: \u00a0The spicy lemongrass chicken...seriously perfect!Avoid: \u00a0The fork", "Date": "2013-07-17", "Author_Location": "Rock Hill, SC"}, {"Author": "Abby B.", "ReviewID": "OzI7vVYYk5pcFYzsWwXbRA", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "SUPERB! Really, some of the best Pho and Mi I have ever had. The dining room is very nice, large and clean. You can get takeout, as well.", "Date": "2014-02-05", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Emiene W.", "ReviewID": "_e5empyWTCkdL7NUVwU4mA", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "I am a fan of the tofu pho and a card-carrying carnivore. Andy is friendly and the scallion pancakes delish. Don't sleep on the chili sauce, made on site and only available by request.", "Date": "2014-02-01", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Tom M.", "ReviewID": "vqKyni2djNid4MwH8TNLOw", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Love it! Although not love at first sight, the food quickly won me over! The quality and freshness of ingredients is incredible. Every dish I have tasted so far is great. No reheated food here! Highly recommend it.", "Date": "2013-12-30", "Author_Location": "La Bascule, Brussels, Belgium"}, {"Author": "Jill G.", "ReviewID": "NjT-YOqE2q-7DA9W5iWxVQ", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Have NEVER had a bad meal there. Have NEVER had bad service either. Have eaten there MANY times.", "Date": "2014-02-17", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Mike M.", "ReviewID": "1c96ZscbKfEgWCK6Z_y2nQ", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "I've decided that this is my favorite Vietnamese spot in Charlotte. Don't get me wrong, I like Saigon palace, Vietnam Grille, and even Akahana (over in Plaza Midwood...I know I know, that's more \"fusion-y\" but I digress)I like Doan's the best because it has everything that I like (and would care to order)and does everything that I like very well. Some restaurants you keep coming back to because of a signature dish. I keep coming back here when I know that I want Vietnamese, but not sure exactly what I'm in the mood for, and not once has it disappointed. Pho-checkSpring rolls-check Rice paper rolls-checkBun bo hue-check Bo Luc lac- check Banh mi-check Hot pot- checkAnd even more...I'm not going to get caught up in the debate as to who has the best pho or anything like that. To be honest, everywhere I've ordered pho since moving to Charlotte has made it pretty well. No complaints.But Doans wins, hands down, because it has it all...for me at least. And all that I've listed above, I've tried and have been happy and satisfied each time.To top it off, I like the inside of Doans. It's not particularly fancy or especially plain. It's very clean and has a good atmosphere for a casual meal. The service is terrific and everyone treats you very well in there. It's also a good value too. They have daily specials. (keep an eye out for those) also it's Not too pricey. And personally I think that the portions are fine.All in all an A from me. Definitely recommend!", "Date": "2013-01-04", "Author_Location": "Washington, DC"}, {"Author": "Kathy R.", "ReviewID": "J_L7Z7Rer-7DeMKQfo4lXQ", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "This is my go to Vietnamese restaurant in Charlotte. \u00a0Mostly because, I live a little south, but also because this restaurant is the closest thing that reminds me of the little restaurants of my childhood. \u00a0Specials are located at the entrance, decor is current, restaurant smells right. \u00a0All the dishes we have tried are spot on. \u00a0I love that you can order just extra noodles for your pho for 2 bucks... it comes with broth and some onion/cilantro. \u00a0But I love it because that is pretty much all my kid wants to eat. \u00a0My spouse will order a different rice dish each time and everything gets his approval. Next time I will try the hot pot.", "Date": "2013-08-11", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Nina N.", "ReviewID": "0VD-gSa8I_oaCWFOD2j4AQ", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "A friend of mine took me here today for lunch, and I must say I'm quite impressed. We ordered canh chua ca (vietnamese sour soup with fish), ca kho to (clay pot fish), fried egg rolls, mi tom thit (shrimp and pork with egg noodle soup). I also ordered a vietnamese coffee as a drink. The vietnamese soup was quite tasty; just a perfect blend of sweet and sour. I did not try the clay pot fish, but my friend said he really enjoyed it. I thought that my bowl of egg noodles were a bit salty, so I did not finish it. But overall, the restaurant was extremely clean and our waitress was wonderful. She was prompt and also informed us that the vietnamese sour soup and clay pot fish dishes would take awhile, since it is made to order. The coffee was also tasty and fresh. Normally, a lot of restaurants would use pre-made coffee and just give it to you in a to-go cup, but this restaurant actually brought it out while it was still dripping from the coffee maker. That is a plus in my opinion. All in all, I would definitely go back here, but probably wouldn't order the same bowl of egg noodle soup.", "Date": "2013-11-23", "Author_Location": "Lawrenceville, GA"}, {"Author": "Crista P.", "ReviewID": "b1SgDVmyLUQU3BYihS6Q_g", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "I know this is a Vietnamese restaurant but I've been here 4 times and every single time I have gotten the Singaporean rice noodles. \u00a0It is just that freaking good! \u00a0The vegetarian version comes with cauliflower, celery, bell peppers, bits of fried tofu, and I think a couple other vegetables. I order it without the eggs, peanuts, and onions. It isn't very spicy and I remedy that by adding copious amounts of sriracha! \u00a0The refreshing limeade complements this dish perfectly.Portion sizes are a bit smaller than other Vietnamese places around the area. \u00a0Also on one occasion we got seated and got our drinks and after that it took 15 minutes for someone to come by and take our order. They were pretty packed that night but 15 minutes was still kind of ridiculous. Oh well the yummy rice noodles made up for it :)", "Date": "2013-07-02", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Janeida M.", "ReviewID": "d55Qyzpn3ofKGGy3jlSTyA", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "The avocado smoothie is freakin fabulous.... \u00a0although I think it maybe a tad bit of crack in it... lol, just kidding of course.... but that's just how addictive it is... \u00a0I WILL be back...", "Date": "2013-12-12", "Author_Location": "Atlanta, GA"}, {"Author": "Christina G.", "ReviewID": "w7fmvw7c-0KfsQidSX9tMA", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Pretty solid. And definitely hit the spot after a day of much manual labor, and no lunch! Fairy new, and better presentation than your standard Vietnamese restaurant. Good table service, and not a lot of wall art clutter. I started with the fresh rolls. While they had a lot of filing, I prefer the daintier glass noodles than the thicker white ones they use. And the peanut sauce could have used more hoisin. Wanting something more substantial than pho, I opted for the egg roll and pork vermicelli. Egg roll was sub-par, but the dish came with a lot of meat and plenty of fresh veggies. I like my bowl to be layered; and here the presentation is more like a pie chart of ingredients all atop the bun. Changes the eating experience some, but it still tasted delicious! Not the best I've had; but certainly worth the money, and worth a visit if you're in the area.", "Date": "2012-11-14", "Author_Location": "Durham, NC"}, {"Author": "Connie A.", "ReviewID": "ErAOMMUtht0FamqyTUZ4Ww", "Overall": "3.0", "Content": "I really want to like this place. I really do. My friends enjoy coming here rather than going to Saigon Palace nowadays, but after two trips to here, I just think something major is missing.My first time, our waiter (and I'm assuming the owner) kept rushing us to order. My friend and I shared the small hot pot meal with just about every meat on the menu while my boyfriend ordered the pork chop broken rice meal with an additional fried egg.When the hot pot came out, some of our side dishes came out and his pork chop plate came as well. We wondered 1) Where is everything else? 2) Where's the egg?When asked, he aggressively told us that we didn't order that any more sides or the addition of the egg. (I don't know why but the egg was a very big deal; like we were horrible people for asking about it). But we 'ordered' the additional plates to add in... The pork chop wasn't flavored well or charred like it usually is at Vietnamese restaurants. Our meals weren't really fulfilling; we had to order a banh mi to satisfy our hunger.The second time, I ordered the pho. When it came out, I noticed how large the bowl was and was thinking to myself: Oh god, I'm not gonna finish this. However, when going through it with my chopsticks, I realized they just filled it with lots and lots of broth. Quite skimpy on the basil by the way. However, the flavor of the pho was really really good.If they just put in a little more consideration, I think this place could be a lot better but as of right now, come here only when desperate. Still better than Saigon Palace though.", "Date": "2012-12-17", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Steve C.", "ReviewID": "ubIY-azzJ3VHAxDZvdhh3g", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Without a doubt some of the best pho I have eaten. If you like Vietnamese, Doans is a must. As another wrote, don't be put off by the neighborhood.", "Date": "2013-11-29", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Nancy N.", "ReviewID": "aRmLfyB_shiX9FlBSnfeDg", "Overall": "2.0", "Content": "Yet another Vietnamese restaurant that is 5 minutes away from the 2 other Vietnamese restaurants on South Boulevard. Initially, I was pretty excited that Doan's was opening. Word came around that the owners were from the west coast, Seattle specifically. I thought that would bring some competition to the table and maybe, just MAYBE, I'll have a good go-to Vietnamese restaurant on my side of town. I tried Doan's within the first few weeks of its grand opening. Then again with some friends and again with my parents, and again and again with more friends. I know restaurants cannot be judged based on grand openings. They need some time to readjust and perfect the details. Well it's been about 10+ visits and sorry, I give up. My girlfriends and I stopped by Doan's last night after a long day of shopping. We wanted something warm to ease the chills randomly rendered (in Charlotte anyway) by mother nature. As I browsed through the menu, I thought of my previous visits. I've tried the pho before and it lacked flavor and ingredients. There was barely any meat, just noodles and broth. I've tried the Bun Bo Hue (a spicy lemon grass based soup) and there wasn't even the slightest bit of Bun Bo Hue flavor in that broth. It tasted like chicken soup with noodles and peppers. I've tried the Com Dac Biet (which is the specialty broken rice dish) and it was TINY. With all of that in mind, I went with Banh Canh, which is another traditional Vietnamese soup. Banh Canh normally comes with lots of seafood items such as crab meat, shrimp, fish balls, etc. All I got was.. fish balls. I have so little expectation for Doan's that all I hoped for was that the broth was decent enough to consume.. and it was! yay!Needless to say, Doan's does not hold up the caliber of a Vietnamese meal. I must say, the first time I tried their Bun Bo Hue, it was AMAZING! A few months afterwards, I ordered it again and they decided to take out some of the meats and veggies that the dish comes with and oh, removed the flavor too. I never know if I'll get the same thing I ordered last time. I love supporting my Vietnamese community, but I honestly never know what I'll get when I stop by Doan's.", "Date": "2013-12-09", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Kuanyu C.", "ReviewID": "pPX9GEco594BOedfkpFr_A", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "After a whole day at the yelp party, friends and myself were pretty famished, especially we still have a few hours of drive back to Raleigh. After checking in with the gracious Charlotte CM Ben, we have finally decided on Doan's. No hunger stands a chance to some good old Vietnamese food.Warning: don't try to navigate to this place with the new iOS map on iPhone. You are going to cause some major traffic accident! It almost happen today LOL! Just pull into the parking lot. No need for U-Turn.Question: Why is this place still have the \"Grand Opening\" sign? I can see reviews as far back as 5 month ago. Let's take that down unless you want to give me discount on the fresh spring rolls!By the way, those fresh spring rolls are awesome. So was the vermicelli bowl. But, I don't go to a Vietnamese restaurant without getting some pho. The broth has real clean taste, none of that MSG feel afterward. The noodle was not overcooked and soggy. Like I said, proper pho.I don't know who this Doan is, but I am now a big fan of him or her.", "Date": "2012-11-11", "Author_Location": "Raleigh, NC"}, {"Author": "Benjamin G.", "ReviewID": "msj6-ZosnYxJfb9VNs5cQw", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Vietnamese is one of my favorite ethnic genres of food and I was so stoked to hear that Doan's was open. It's a little inaccessible unless you tend to hang south of Tyvola on South Blvd. We made it in for a late lunch and were thrilled. The inside is quaint and not over the top with decorations. Just some simple tables. The menu, per usual, is vast and has tons of great options for both meatatarians and veggies alike. We ended up having to take our order to go due to some pressing errands, but the service was exceptional while we were in the restaurant. We ordered some rice paper rolls. Very standard and quite delicious. I ordered the standard Pho. Traditional Pho is served piping hot and the beef if typically served raw on top of the bean sprouts or somewhat \"floating\" on top of the broth. It is meant to be stirred in to the broth, thus, cooking the beef, or perhaps more a faux boil. This was a little bit of a shock since we had to get it go and the beef was still raw. No sweat at all! Just a little surprised it was still going to be raw. Knowing is half the battle. (Thanks, GI Joe)The Pho was AMAZING. Some of the best broth I've had and the veggies were incredible. I absolutely love Vietnamese and Doan's is now way up there on my list.", "Date": "2012-10-26", "Author_Location": "Atlanta, GA"}, {"Author": "Pourina R.", "ReviewID": "mqL4kht_d1NT6jRpeGKx6A", "Overall": "3.0", "Content": "Doans is pretty friggin fantastic. The pho is good, the vermicelli is yumm, the portions were large and the egg rolls are nice and crispy. So........why so sad?Well, all of that great food is all fine and dandy..but only if they get your order right.....We didn't get our waters until the check came. We never got our fresh spring rolls (luckily we weren't charged). We didn't get our thai tea until our check came - and we noticed we were still charged, thus prompting us to ask about it. Now I know, it's Asian..and good Service and Asian food usually don't go hand in hand....but when you have some stiff competition less than 1 block away, I think it might be time to pay attention. I'm kind of at a loss here. 70% of the tables were full, but the restaurant isn't super big.. Three servers should be plenty for that space, but someone they just can't get it right. I met some friends who frequent Doan's often and apparently it isn't an isolated incident.Either way...the food is still great and I'll definitely return. I just need to make sure I'm not super hungry and irritable next time.", "Date": "2013-03-07", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Sue O.", "ReviewID": "29_xGAT1ugJHKXVhP7Y04Q", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Just noticing that it says \"Ballantyne.\" \u00a0Doan's is not in Ballantyne, it's on South Boulevard. \u00a0?LOVE IT still after 3 more visits!", "Date": "2014-02-01", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Jennifer H.", "ReviewID": "-s4nzey5TPGFfEzuwShLNw", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "I have been here 2 times and have enjoyed both times. \u00a0I had the hot pot the first time and the vegetarian pancake the second time. \u00a0My daughter loves the fried rice and they cook it special for her picky tastes. \u00a0I hope to try the vegetarian pho soon. \u00a0Those big steamy bowls look so wonderful.", "Date": "2013-11-29", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "EJ H.", "ReviewID": "8ooUG3JpvXgzjmX7diK03A", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Great food and service- would only ask staff to be slightly more watchful of us American guests as we are so needy (more napkins and cold water with my meal, please!) other than that, perfect!", "Date": "2013-10-12", "Author_Location": "Vernon Hills, IL"}, {"Author": "Rachel O.", "ReviewID": "23VgX3-O2avjZYXF9O4iJA", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "One of the fun parts about life is trying things you've never tried before.My boyfriend introduced me to Vietnamese food....and i do believe it is my new favorite. \u00a0I have been to Doan's 3x now, and i have to say i LOVE this place.Let me start with the staff and restaurant. \u00a0Despite your first impressions of the neighborhood and parking lot, Doan's is a nice, clean, pleasant restaurant to walk into. \u00a0They are super friendly, and willing to give you suggestions of what you might like. \u00a0However, might i suggest to you one of the 3 dishes I've tried there: Vermicelli Bun To, with the pork, added meat balls and a spring roll.....so stinkin' good. \u00a0(I've added a couple pictures of that.)The Sandwich with the pork (which was amazing!), i crave those things now...and I live in Raleigh! \u00a0sad day. \u00a0:/ Or the broken rice, which came with Pork, steak, and shrimp. \u00a0Everything was excellent. \u00a0The thing i like most, is that you can TASTE that it is grilled. \u00a0You don't get that at many place.As far as drinks go, we tried the fresh limeade which was super good. \u00a0The Vietnamese Iced Coffee....it's made with sweeten condensed milk...seriously, how can anything be bad that has that in it?! \u00a0This iced coffee will make you stop going to the chain coffee house and go to doan's...it is that good. \u00a0And if you like it with a little bit of a chocolate twist, try the Lee's Coffee.But my favorite....SUPER DE DUPER FAVORITE...in fact i would say it is so good, that if you put it on top of your head, your tongue would beat your brains out trying to get to it, is the Avocado Smoothie. \u00a0HOLY COW!....i NEVER knew Avocado could taste like this. \u00a0 I noticed every table was ordering some sort of smoothie, so i asked our super nice waiter what it was and he told me it was a smoothie. \u00a0He said his favorite was the Avocado, so i said, BRING IT ON. \u00a0And I am soooo glad he did!Apparently most countries use avocado as a \"sweet\" treat, and this smoothie brings out a whole new side to avacado i never knew existed. \u00a0 So if you're daring, and want something amazing go for the Avocado smoothie!!! \u00a0you will NOT regret it! \u00a0(They also have a green bean smoothie....i want to try that one next, but currently i'm so addicted to the avocado, i haven't ordered it yet. \u00a0lol.)If you're looking for good eats, good prices, nice staff, and something different than the local chain, take a trip to Doan's, you will NOT be sad that you did.", "Date": "2012-10-13", "Author_Location": "Youngsville, NC"}, {"Author": "Stephen M.", "ReviewID": "0mza5QpUVFSwp_ucz5KrGw", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "I mentioned to my co-worker that I had been jonesing for some Thai food. \u00a0She mentioned a place called Doan's that she had been to that had a great dish called Spicy Lemongrass Chicken. \u00a0So that's what brought me to Doan's on a Saturday afternoon.I arrived right around 1130 and the place was pretty empty. \u00a0In fact, I was able to park directly in front of the restaurant. \u00a0I was seated quickly and a waiter arrived to take my drink order. \u00a0I pretended to peruse the menu, but I knew what I was going to order. \u00a0When the waiter returned, I ordered the Spicy Lemongrass Chicken and proceeded to fire up the laptop to utilize their free wifi (it is password protected, so make sure to ask the wait-staff).My food was ready in about ten minutes. \u00a0I dug in and the dish was great. \u00a0The portion size was good and it had a really nice flavor. \u00a0I would eat broccoli all the time if it was Spicy Lemongrass Broccoli! \u00a0For dessert, I got the Avocado Smoothie. \u00a0I first tried one of these during a visit to Chinatown in Honolulu. \u00a0This smoothie is the best smoothie in CLT! \u00a0And for only $3.75, it is a fantastic deal (take that Smoothie King).I don't know the finer points of Asian cuisine and how to differentiate between Thai, Korean, Vietnamese, and Cambodian. \u00a0And I don't know what constitutes good Vietnamese. \u00a0But I know I received great service and the food was tasty. \u00a0And I found the best smoothie in CLT. \u00a0I'll be back!", "Date": "2013-02-09", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "N P.", "ReviewID": "8Am1Ay7lSWRQHHQ94XYIQw", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "The veggie PHO was really good. \u00a0There was lots of food. \u00a0They are a great place to eat good food.", "Date": "2014-01-29", "Author_Location": "Elizabeth, Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Bruce K.", "ReviewID": "G53o9TfkSoxD-KT--fSF3A", "Overall": "3.0", "Content": "I came here due to the review of the day by Tonya P. I have actually heard about this place since its been opened, but I didn't have the chance to come here to eat. So I'm going to put my tastebuds to the rest on this restaurant compared to the other Vietnamese restaurants I usually go to around Charlotte.So here's the deal. This place used to be Pho 98, and I only had the chance to go there once a very long time ago. Inside, they redesigned the place and the interesting thing I want to mention is that the back is where the cash register is.Given the menu, I was happy to see such a large option of choices. I ordered their pho dac biet, fresh and fried spring rolls. My mother deviated and ordered one of their B\u00fan dishes. The portion, I thought was a little \"meh.\" I mean the B\u00fan dish, vermicelli is dry with the option of the customer putting fish sauce for a little bit of flavor, wasn't so surprising in my opinion. I feel like other Vietnamese restaurants give you a lot more for your dollar. I felt as if yeah, sure it's in south side Charlotte and things can be a little more expensive but it still matters to me and how much you get with the extra money you spend. I guess all our money went to our service, which was great by the way... One thing to note was that when you sit down there is no utensils, not to worry it will come (they didn't forget.) After they served the first dish however, I thought they forgot and I was a little confused on why they would serve food before serving anything to eat with. I think they could really spend less time on the utensils if they set it up at each table beforehand.The Pho that I ordered was okay. The portion was pretty good, a little less than I'm used to, but overall it wasn't bad. The broth was good, tasty and it's true they don't add any MSG, but I just didn't get that satisfied feeling of amazing that I usually get.Overall, from all the hype of everyone I was expecting godliness that would trump any other Viet restaurant. But, overall I just thought it was \"okay.\" If I could give it more stars it would probably just another 1/2 star, but nothing more... One cool thing to note was that they do sell Banh Mi.", "Date": "2012-12-05", "Author_Location": "Oak Ridge, TN"}, {"Author": "Julien M.", "ReviewID": "CDAONF525R8cxdpOx4qMzw", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "I've been a steady patron here since they opened. I have yet to leave anything but happy! Food quality is great and consistent, pricing is very reasonable. Decoration and location leave a bit to be desired, but as long as the food stays awesome I'll keep coming back!", "Date": "2013-12-30", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Belle D.", "ReviewID": "uGVW93A_Ngd_BdfcY2fC6A", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Happy! As a Viet gal, I like! Food - great and decently pricedService - goodPlace - surprisingly nice and clean, wouldn't have known from the outside. I am Vietnamese, and I am a picky eater. Being a native-born Houstonian with an abundance selection of Vietnamese food I am used to.. Doan's makes the cut.What I tend to order -Hu Tiu Do Bien - Vietnamese clear noodles with seafood (fish paste, shrimp, scallop, and squid) - they normally come in the noodle broth (like pho), but I love mine without the broth. They always serve a bowl of broth on the side, if you want to either dip your fork/chopstick into the bowl, or pour some into your big bowl to get some noodle soup action going.Vietnamese Limeade - Da Chanh Soda - yummy! So zesty and sugary goodness :)Why 4, not 5? I wished they had a more wide selection of food. I was craving for Bun Bo Hue - but didn't see it in the list. For those who love spicy beef broth noodle soup dish - try it! But I thought I saw someone's pic that did make them?? Nevertheless, more selection please!Will def come back and try the Vietnamese Sandwich - banh mi. I always get the Jambon - ham banh mi :) We will see how that is!", "Date": "2012-10-28", "Author_Location": "Washington, DC"}, {"Author": "Tonya P.", "ReviewID": "DWZNyIYp711ewjX_oFnqOQ", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Doan's is a clean, new, restaurant on South Blvd. Had to go check it out the minute I saw Rod O's review. \u00a0He was right, can't wait to return and try some different items, my test item is always vermicelli with pork and spring roll. \u00a0I ordered V7 which was pork, chicken and spring roll. \u00a0Get crazy!!Friendly staff and fresh ingredients. \u00a0Make sure to ask if they have the house made chili sauce! \u00a0I was just there yesterday and I already want my dish again. \u00a0Why is fish sauce so addictive?", "Date": "2012-07-07", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Billy N.", "ReviewID": "16hQAR26cv2oFvxu6jglEg", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "There are a couple things I look for when trying a new Vietnamese restaurant:1) Are the condiments for Pho already on the table?2) Can I get a bowl of Pho for less than $10?3) Are there other Vietnamese people eating there?I've eaten at Doan's a couple of times now and the answers to all three questions are \"Yes\". The Pho is delicious and the Pho Dat Biet (Pho \"Special\") comes with plenty of different cuts of meat including tripe which is often left out at other Pho places I've frequented in Charlotte. The broth is very hearty and I imagine it's like slurping the essence of beef.The appetizers are a bit overpriced for what you're getting but are done well. I've tried the rocket shrimp (Tail-on shrimp wrapped in egg roll wrappers and then fried) and the regular fried egg rolls. A word of warning: give the rolls some time to cool off since the insides will be piping hot! I'd recommend getting a banh mi sandwich as a compliment to your meal instead of an actual appetizer. Doan's makes Banh Mi sandwiches to order. They get their bread and fixin's from Le's. Doan's sandwiches have Vietnamese sausage (cha lua), Jambon, Pate, pickled carrots, cilantro, and slices of jalopeno. I no longer need to drive all the way to North Charlotte to get my banh mi fix!For main entrees, there are a couple staples that I judge a Vietnamese restaurant by: Pho and Com Tam. Doan's Pho is fantastic as mentioned above and I will definitely make the trip to eat it during the Winter. The Com Tam Dat Biet (broken rice with grilled meats) comes out very well presented and tastes great. The pork has the sweetness and chargrilled taste that I'm looking for.Service was prompt and attentive. Caveat: I haven't ever been when the place was really busy and am not a serial-water-drinker like many of my friends for whom the waiter might as well leave the pitcher. Then again, I never expect service at a Vietnamese restaurant other than bringing me my Pho and leaving me to slurp in peace.", "Date": "2012-09-24", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Faith D.", "ReviewID": "9bqSRGzSDIYyy3vf-n0OvA", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "My husband and I visited when they very first opened. I wanted to try it another time before posting a review. During their opening they were raffling off a tv. I was really hoping I'd be drawn as the winner, but alas, I didn't end up getting the winning call. It's a clean space, nice tables. They did a nice job decorating and tinting the windows. They even have a couple fragrant candles going right when you enter. It's a warm and cozy touch. If you are like me and wash your hands before every meal, they have an extra sink outside of the bathrooms...convenient!The Singaporean noodles and Pad Thai were okay and a tad on the dry side during our first visit. However, they must have practiced making those a few extra times since then because when we ordered those dishes again, they were very good. Yes, yes, I know this is a Vietnamese place and we ended up ordering non-Vietnamese dishes...those noodle dishes were calling my name! Next time I promise to try the veggie pho. They also make a very spicy garlic chili sauce! Mmmm, your mouth and lips will be on fire. The servers came around quickly to refill our waters and laughed as we dabbed our foreheads with the napkins.Nice addition to South Blvd! I like that I can choose from 3 different Vietnamese places all within a mile or so of one another. Variety is the spice to life, right?!", "Date": "2012-11-12", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Jeff S.", "ReviewID": "473tSARqemBqyIHu8Itlfg", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "I'm always willing to tickle my tastebuds and try something new for lunch. \u00a0Doan's has been on my list for a while after seeing reviews from Tonya P. and Rod O.So I had my sights set on Vietnamese for lunch earlier this week and instead of visiting the usual place up the street from Doan's, I cam here.I was pleasantly surprised with the decor of this restaurant. \u00a0I really expected it to be a hole in the wall but it's a nice casual restaurant with booths on either side and tables in the middle.My first test for Vietnamese places is usually pho but it was 95 degrees outside and it was definitely too hot for soup. \u00a0So as I checked out the menu, this one item stood out to me...Spicy lemongrass vermicelli. \u00a0Added a bit of chicken to go with it.Service was exceptional here. \u00a0Both servers waited on me and were happy to answer any questions I had on the menu and the restaurant.The food came out and it came out and I was impressed. \u00a0Veggies and chicken were stir-fried before placed on top which gave them a really enjoyable flavor. \u00a0The chicken was tender and there was just enough spice to the dish that I really didn't have to add anything else.I think Doan's is definitely better than one of the other Vietnamese places on South Blvd. I'll have to come back again to see if they can top the other place.", "Date": "2012-07-28", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Kenny V.", "ReviewID": "1u1uih8JFl199qGplZOQYA", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Vietnamese taste buds here. I'm very wary of Vietnamese food outside of California as it's typically hit or miss, yet Doan's passes my test. Doan's isn't your typical hole in the wall Vietnamese restaurant. It's very new, clean, and spacious (may be because they've only be open a short time. Only time will tell). Service is fast and attentive, though I should note I've only eaten here when it's sparse. As per all Asian restaurants, the menu is a novel in itself. Pho and shaking beef have been consistently good. The pork and eggroll dishes were a (3/5), something I'd skip over next time. Doan's will be my go to Vietnamese joint in Charlotte. It provides the same quality as Vietnam Grille (just down the street) in a cleaner environment with better prices.", "Date": "2012-09-06", "Author_Location": "Orange County, CA"}, {"Author": "Ben T.", "ReviewID": "nHub9f84hNAiwhBm0GBo8w", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Went here last night and have to say although this place is new, and without an alcohol license, their food and the attitude are great. Fresh rice paper rolls, an engaged waiter who walked us through each part of the menu with recommendations for each part, two decently flavorful main dishes with plenty leftover for lunch the next day, and my first AVOCADO SMOOTHIE...all for $35.What more could you ask for? I haven't yet visited the established Vietnamese Grill up the street so I don't have much to compare to, but I'm sure this new restaurant is here to stay.Check it out, and try that smoothie!", "Date": "2012-11-10", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Tae-Sun K.", "ReviewID": "-cw_t81AhjlKsCGI1PU9mw", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "My new favorite Vietnamese restaurant in Charlotte, and that's saying a lot because there are a lot to choose from. I order any of their combo plates and Vietnamese coffee and call it a night.", "Date": "2013-09-06", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Sotahreth O.", "ReviewID": "cFYiKoZtbo7Tf8B4FqyKxA", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "5 for me on the Bun Thit nuong cha gio! Vermicelli. Visiting from South Florida on business and Yelp'd this location after typing in Cambodian ??? Anyhow. Stopped off for lunch today. The sweet fish sauce was wonderful, I had to freshen up, at my hotel afterwards cuz it was too guut!", "Date": "2013-10-07", "Author_Location": "Boynton Beach, FL"}, {"Author": "Hailey H.", "ReviewID": "j1ltOqkUDwgfNuapeCAXIA", "Overall": "2.0", "Content": "I have to start this by saying my first trip to Doan's was 3.5/4 star material - slow service but friendly, I enjoyed a delicious veg/tofu pho (in a beef broth) and my dining companion ordered a bun with nicely flavored meats and a pretty good spring roll on top - but my second visit made me wonder.I was out with my sister when we realized we were hungry, and were in the mood to have a beer or glass or wine with dinner, I couldn't remember if Doan's was serving yet so I called while on the road and a woman informed me they do sell beer and wine, but not liquor. Worked for us. My sister is also a vegetarian and although I couldn't remember if I saw a veg section in the menu, we did find one online so we figured we were safe, and then we arrived... First, our waitress informed us they don't serve alcohol yet. Um, okay? After a ridiculous wait to get someones attention to ask if they had a veg menu supplement, we were informed by a waiter that they used to, but have since chucked it. Great. Unfortunately he was unwilling to point us in any direction or give us any veg friendly options. Okay, back to the menu.I ordered the rocket shrimp and the bun with chik/pork/springrolls (after they informed me they don't serve the banh xeo listed on their menu). My sister ended up ordering the wonton soup with tofu/veg and the tofu/veg pad thai. My food was fine, but for her, she ended up with a plain wonton soup and the seafood pad thai. If it hadn't taken so long to get the first round of food she would have sent it back, and the waitress was very grateful she didn't want to send it back and that she agreed to pick around the seafood and eat the dish. My sister then asked for a few steamed veggies on the sides to supplement the lack of vegetables in her pad thai, the waitress agreed without issue. Everything seemed okay, though the veggies arrived in a completely different sauce, but when we got the bill I was a little surprised. Not only did we have to pay for the seafood pad thai that we clearly did not order (and all the seafood was left stacked on the side of the plate), we also had to pay for the side of vegetables! seriously?? It was only a few dollars more in the end, but included with the lack of service (in a fairly empty restaurant), there are just better places in town to get great tasting Vietnamese food with better service. Sorry Doan's, maybe next time.", "Date": "2012-07-15", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Shannon C.", "ReviewID": "_V9I9ldH6EHfObew9ilZTw", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "What can I find fault with this newly opened Vietnamese Restaurant? NONE! I would say if I find one! People are ferociously loyal to their customers and I'm talking about waiters/waitresses.Pho sou? Champ! \u00a0Try vegetable version of Pho soup.. but if you wanna cheat, you could ask for chicken to be PUT in vegetable-based soup because of the spices found in broth (ginger, etc) to be VERY tasty than chicken-based broth. Actually \u00a0- both are good. Really!They don't serve plastic drinking glasses... How can you beat a gigantic bowl of Pho for UNDER $10 - go hungry and you will thank me for that.Relax.... and let them serve you. They're wonderful people!", "Date": "2012-10-22", "Author_Location": "Steele Creek, Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Kate T.", "ReviewID": "f_Z1LdmbYTsBVJuwzsvS0A", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "After seeing Emeril talking about Pho, on Food Network this morning, I decided it was to check out Doan's. Being a fan of Vietnam Grille and Saigon Palace, I was impressed today, my new favorite spot for Pho. The place is clean and the staff are attentive to everyone. I ordered a combo appetizer, with one egg roll & one spring roll, both great! The egg roll was stuffed with goodness, not one of those with no filling, ha ha. I ordered the Pho Ga, which was amazing. The broth was addicting ad the sides were a great added bonus. \u00a0Look forward to my next visit!", "Date": "2013-04-06", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Victoria W.", "ReviewID": "EN6-usjgVbb5rVwk1Dy0cA", "Overall": "3.0", "Content": "I was so excited to try this place out, hot pot in charlotte, seriously where else can you find a place with hot pot in Charlotte? Buffet Dynasty in Matthews used to have hot pot(very good) but they closed down, ever since then I have been on the hunt!To start off, the ambiance of this place is pretty decent compared to most vietnamese places. Booth tables along the wall, regular tables in the center. The place looked fairly clean with a barista table at the front of the restaurant. Also the menu is quite extensive. Not many places have singapore noodle, pho, egg noodle, vermicelli, fried rice, \u00a0banh mi sandwiches and hot pot. But the trick is to do the vast selection well and not suffer in authenticity and flavor by having a large menu. First of all, the price is pretty high here. $9 for a bowl of pho? We asked about the difference between small and large, and were told that large was the regular size...well then. My friend ordered the beef pho, she is Vietnamese, and she said it was ok...Mediocre.I ordered the spring roll vermicelli. The dish itself had no flavor except for the spring rolls. I poured the fish sauce that is supposed to be mixed in with the vermicelli but still NOTHING! By this point, I was desperate and added salt to my vermicelli to make them edible. Anyone of us who has tried adding salt to a pre-made dish at a restaurant knows how disjointed the dish can feel, so I tried adding pepper to make the flavor pop. I have to say, I had vermicelli at an OK place before and the vermicelli I had at Doan's is worse. For drinks, we ordered the Vietnamese coffee, which was the best part of our dish. It came in a traditional vietnamese coffee strainer. Condensed milk was added to the bottom of the coffee. We were given a separate glass filled with ice to pour the coffee into. 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When we were seated, someone took our order for drinks. 30 seconds later, another waiter came by to ask us what we wanted for beverages? Ok, I have never had such a mis-step at a restaurant, this is really bad. The same person that took our order, made ZERO effort to remember what we ordered, even though she wrote it down. When she brought out our food, she was confused where to place the dish because she didn't remember who ordered what. LIttle details like this really takes away from a comfortable dining experience. The WORST part was, when our checks were brought out to us, the bill was printed in the most UNPROFESSIONAL manner. It was printed on a slip of tiny manual print out. There was NOTHING on that slip of paper except for how much we owe the restaurant. No name of the restaurant, no server, no time, no date, most importantly the item we ordered was NOT on there listed beside the price! I was not so pissed off until I realized that they over-charged me for my spring roll vermicelli. Whoever printed our bills out attempted to write on the check in VIETNAMESE the name of the dish we ordered!!?? Seriously, why did you write it in Vietnamese, this is America! I was so furious at this point that I did not bother to ask them about the over-charge and just tipped the waiter less with the difference they over-charged me. Plus to be honest, she really did not deserve a good tip. My advice for this place? Only come here for drinks. They have HUUGE jack fruit or avocado smoothie for $3.75. They give it to you in a to go plastic cup that is the size of a regular smooth king cup. If you know anything about Smoothie King, their drink portions are huuge!Don't come here expecting superb service, you won't get it. I cannot speak on the hot pot, but if you order anything noodle on this menu, it will be a disappointment.", "Date": "2013-05-13", "Author_Location": "Vernon Hills, IL"}, {"Author": "Erin K.", "ReviewID": "qTrNd68rC596VBsqg0gJYQ", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Great Vietnamese food at a great price on South Blvd. Quick and tasty for lunch, too. I definitely wouldn't consider this to be in Ballantyne though.", "Date": "2013-01-29", "Author_Location": "Belmont, NC"}, {"Author": "Carolyn L.", "ReviewID": "wwe-E0xuUY2jg5wZpBt5FA", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Thanks to George R, Tonya, Jimmy D and even Ben. I had to try this place out. I must say Saigon Palace is still my no# 1. However, Doan's are on point with their customer service. On 3 different occasions, the manager or owner stopped by and actually ask if we need anything or how's everything. I took a couple of my American friends who never experience Vietnamese food before so I was excited. I order the summer rolls and crispy egg rolls to start. They both loved the crispy egg rolls and my son also loves it. However, I was hoping for a little less noodles in the summer rolls and at least one more shrimp... The peanut sauce that comes with it was perfect... Better than my mom's. For dinner, I alway ordered the V2 as my test run. It's the crispy egg rolls & grilled pork vermicelli bowl. Again, I wanted more meat. I'm guessing I'm a big meat eater, lol. Overall, I like it, it's refreshing, the noodles wasn't over cooked. Just enough cucumber, cilantro, picked carrots, topped with their fish sauce makes it a masterpiece. I will order that again. I ordered my son the R5 which is the grilled pork, shredded pork skin, egg patty served with fresh cucumber, tomatoes, julienne carrots and broken rice. They ran out of egg patty which sadden me, that was what I look forward to, wanted to see if its taste like my mom's or it taste better, instead I settle for an over easy egg. The thing I'm most bummed about is the shredded pork skin. I was hoping they would season it a bit more. I went to a few Vietnamese places and I generally order the same thing. My mom make this a lot so I know they have the potential to give the shredded pork skin a bit more flavors. It's a little bland for me. So I wouldn't order it again. I would tell people about Doan's. They food are good, their decor is way better than a lot of Vietnamese places I been too and their customer service are exceptional!!! Next time I will follow Jimmy's advice and ask for banh mi since its not on the menu..", "Date": "2013-03-12", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Chris K.", "ReviewID": "TD73ShRd6UlLtS6cXql39Q", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Above average pho, good service, excellent BBQ", "Date": "2013-01-20", "Author_Location": "Reston, VA"}, {"Author": "Tim B.", "ReviewID": "JL8hDFymSHqvtNgILffwuw", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "I have gone to Doan's a few times now. \u00a0One Saturday after wrapping up a short round of golf instruction...decided to go and try this highly recommended Vietnamese restaurant. \u00a0Was actually hoping to see a long time friend that worked there. \u00a0 Well...after spending some time searching the menu...decided to have an appetizer of egg rolls....and a main course of grilled shrimp with salad. \u00a0Both were outstanding! \u00a0 The service was great on this quiet mid-afternoon. \u00a0A few weeks later...decided to take the entire family! \u00a0Everyone enjoyed it a lot. \u00a0Everyone was able to get great entrees.! \u00a0Even my daughter who has a strict, gluten-free diet. \u00a0I have returned a couple of times since going with the entire family. \u00a0Always great food...and great service. \u00a0I am looking forward to returning soon with one of my number one foodie partners!!!", "Date": "2013-05-20", "Author_Location": "Huntersville, NC"}, {"Author": "Ashley M.", "ReviewID": "2VusMGAeNBRiMvo-6PqxLw", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Takeout is excellent but it would be nice to eat-in too. It's not charmless like so many mostly takeout places. The Banh Xeo - to die for. The avocado smoothie will change your life (beware - it's HUGE!). The spring rolls are very good. Service was not super organized, but it was super helpful. Definitely a spot I will hit every time I come to Charlotte. Area is kind of sketch, if that's an issue for you.", "Date": "2013-05-31", "Author_Location": "Portland, OR"}, {"Author": "Michael G.", "ReviewID": "XTwmoEInbOb6GQAfcOSCHw", "Overall": "1.0", "Content": "There is no way I would go back to this place, especially to protect my health.Who is rating this a 4 or 5 star restaurant? \u00a0Is the Vietnamese food in Charlotte that terrible? \u00a0This is the only Vietnamese Restaurant I have been to so far in Charlotte, but it was absolutely awful. \u00a0I don't live in this city, but I felt obligated as a good citizen to warn others about this extremely disappointing place.If you have any concern about the quality of food you eat, I would strongly recommend you avoid this restaurant at all costs. \u00a0I have been to Vietnamese restaurants all around the world (including Vietnam), and this is definitely on the bottom of the scale to me.When I walked into the restaurant my first impression was a very unappetizing rotten noxious smell filling the entire room. \u00a0Against my better judgment, I still stayed to try a few dishes, as I am \u00a0a food adventurer, and I falsely trusted some previous yelp reviews which were obviously very misleading to me. \u00a0Still, I take responsibility that I made a big mistake to stay at this restaurant.The environment was reasonable beyond the horrific smell, but the service was quite forgetful and not competent. \u00a0Communication in English was not easy, and I was not brought some of the things I ordered, like a glass of water I asked for twice... We are talking basics they can not perform here. \u00a0Some of the staff was more worried about eating their own meal in the same room when I dined there. \u00a0However, the worst part of the meal were the Fresh Spring Rolls with Shrimp and Chicken. \u00a0At first, the Chicken looked like nice strips of white chicken breast meat, but either it was spoiled, poorly prepared inconsistent with health department guidelines, or it was the cheapest and worst quality chicken on the market as it had such a terrible rotten and spoiled taste. \u00a0After a few bites, I was absolutely disgusted, and decided to stop eating, pay the check, and leave the restaurant.I did not feel well the rest of the day and evening.... and I could hardly eat anything else until the next day. \u00a0Not a good experience I would recommend for others.I think the people running the restaurant were nice people, but they really need to learn how to delivery quality service, how to invest in and prepare quality food, and most of all figure out a way to keep the restaurant from smelling like a sewer when customers walk in... \u00a0at least that is what it smelled like to me when I came there...I love Vietnamese food, and would love to see more quality Vietnamese food served in Charlotte and all over the country, but not at this poor quality level. \u00a0It is a not a good representation of Vietnamese Cuisine....", "Date": "2012-12-28", "Author_Location": "Seattle, WA"}, {"Author": "Amanda F.", "ReviewID": "12aDq7SYBh8NrvKeHciwrg", "Overall": "3.0", "Content": "i don't have much to say about this place, but we went here mostly because other reviews mentioned that they served banh mi. i was super stoked, considering that i know of no other place this side of charlotte that serves it. we got there and what terrible news was bestowed upon us--NO MORE BANH MI! blarg!!!so we got pho and some other spicy soup, with spring rolls as an app. all were good. portions were smaller than i am used to getting (viet thai vet, here). everything tasted great, and the service was great. my only complaint was (well...the banh mi debacle) and all the solicitation going on in the restaurant. some customer behind us was soliciting the waiter to work for him, and then some girl walked in off the street asking for money for her father and his illness. i felt bad, but it was a huge downer on my meal--you know? how she got to all the other customers without the manager or waiters even noticing or doing anything was beyond me...", "Date": "2013-03-12", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Juanita M.", "ReviewID": "EGU0TiYUR3Ghj1iJVF-k0Q", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Seriously, I LOVE this place. The pho is amazing! I've had pho at Vietnam Grille several times \u00a0but this place is soooo much better! The banh mi is the super yummy. One is never enough. Lol. Go try this place out! Treat yo self!", "Date": "2013-07-10", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Amy Y.", "ReviewID": "H5qao2MZY6vvv6c1uUc8GA", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Good food. I'll definitely go again.", "Date": "2012-12-12", "Author_Location": "Pineville, NC"}, {"Author": "Rod O.", "ReviewID": "Hk0pvKiwxeqqSlGV2ZNdUA", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "On a Monday afternoon I'm ready for a new dinning experience in a NEW Restaurant. \u00a0Walking in to Doan's today I am welcomed by one of the young men working here and he actually used the words \"welcome to Doan's\", a young lady seated me and asked if I had eaten Vietnamese before, made a few suggestions and let me look over the menu. \u00a0I asked some questions and ordered my first dish!This IS a REAL Meatball! \u00a0EXCELLENT! ! ! \u00a0In so few words: Doan's Meatballs beats all the others, with one exceptional \"TIE\" for first place! \u00a0These skewered Meatballs have the Perfect Flavor and they are the rounded type though they are built small so they are cooked as well as the unmentioned-by-name \"Flat\" version that I also love! \u00a0For the Vietnamese Meatballs an easy 5 yelp stars until I can give more... alright 6 yelp stars!Today was their official \"Opening\" and my waitress said the Chef may not have every dish perfected so she did not strongly recommend the first dish I really wanted to check out! \u00a0Spicy Lemongrass with Beef is my first entree! \u00a0If I had never eaten at \"Lang Van\" or \"Ben Thanh\" I would say Doan's has the Best! \u00a0For now (remember this is based on my \"opening day\" experience) Doan's has everyone \"else\" beat on this dish! \u00a0Since I have eaten this dish at five other places I can say Doan's Spicy Lemongrass with Beef is a unique and Very Delicious version! \u00a0Tender Beef Stir-fried with white Onion and Carrots (minus the Bell Peppers at my request) served with an almost \"Sticky Rice\" great for showing off my Chopstick skills. \u00a0This dish gets 4.75 yelp stars! \u00a0The \"spicy\" in \"Spicy Lemongrass\" was flavorful, though not as spicy as I expected and you can request this dish to be spicier!Next I order Dessert! \u00a0If you like Coffee and if you like sweet and creamy Coffee and if you have never experienced Vietnamese Coffee, you are in for a TREAT! \u00a0The Brewing process is finished at you table! \u00a0When you see the drips stop \"dripping\" push the plunger down to get the last ten or so drops out! \u00a0Remove the \"dripper/brewer/canister/filter and stir! \u00a0Sweetened Condensed Milk is on the bottom... Drink hot or as I do take a few sips (I have never added anything to this perfect Dessert ANYWHERE! \u00a0By taking a taste you can decide if you would like it sweeter or creamier or both - Next, if you like, Pour it over Ice and take a few more sips! \u00a0Here is the last suggestion for this style Coffee, my favorite dessert at a Vietnamese restaurant... Place your straw at the very bottom of the ice-filled glass and take a few sips, you should be noticing a warmer (cooler at the top warmer at the bottom of the glass) creamier and dreamier flavor (I'm ready for a nap every time I drink one of these and right now half of the staff of my brain is on strike and the other third is on vacation)! \u00a0Vietnamese style Coffee is, I guess easy to get right! \u00a0Everywhere I have ordered it I have enjoyed it and it seems almost identical in each restaurant. \u00a0An EASY 5 yelp stars!Second Entree : \u00a0\"Bun To\" (Vermicelli) with two sliced Spring Rolls and Grilled Pork! \u00a0This dish was GREAT! \u00a0Every time I get this dish I like eating some of the components of the dish plain and by themselves, to check out the flavor, then I like dipping each in Fish Sauce and comparing flavors before pouring the fish sauce over everything stirring the dish and eating everything combined... I rate each part of this dish 5 yelp stars, except the pork and it gets very close to 5 stars!Limeade, Orangeade, Avocado Smoothie and Vietnamese Style Coffee were Fantastic!No MSG! \u00a0The menu has printed on each page \"No MSG\"! \u00a0That is Very important to some of you and might be getting MORE important to many of us!The Staff (I met five of them today) are friendly, welcoming, attentive, POLITE, kind and helpful! \u00a0An EASY five yelp stars on service!Smashes the other Vietnamese Restaurants on South Boulevard! !! !!! \u00a0I have been to the other places located close by (on South Blvd., no need to name names) each one three times and will probably never review nor return to these \"other places\" because they are not as good! \u00a0Doan's Menu Boasts \"Charlotte's Finest Authentic Vietnamese Cuisine\", I'm ready to give them more than a second look because this was great AND it was \"Opening Day\"!On the inside this place is nice looking! \u00a0Nicer than most Vietnamese places and EXTREMELY nice for the neighborhood! \u00a0You will probably not want to hang out in the parking lot, though you could be in many rougher areas of our fine City... As always, Be Aware of your surroundings! LOCATION : \u00a0: South of Tyvola, on South Blvd., in the Shopping Center with Food Lion and Family Dollar!", "Date": "2012-07-02", "Author_Location": "Raleigh, NC"}, {"Author": "josh d.", "ReviewID": "koZyS0v5KFZV_yc7LROHPA", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "I happened to run across Doan's Vietnamese restaurant today, so I decided to give them a try. As it turns out, they opened just yesterday. They have a pretty large menu, so you should be able to find something to suit your taste. I am vegan and was pleased to see many vegetarian options. I ordered the Singapore Style Noodles. The menu claims it is spicy, but it was not. However, it did have a nice, refreshing flavor to it. On each table, they have Sriracha (hot) sauce, hoisin sauce, soy sauce and ketchup (what? ketchup?). To give my dish some heat, I put some Sriracha on the side. The interior is fairly elegant for the area and for being a mid-priced place to eat. And being that everything in there is brand spankin' new, it was immaculate. The waiters were super friendly and made helpful suggestions. Overall, my experience was pleasant. I will return, and that is the best compliment I can pay to a restaurant.", "Date": "2012-06-15", "Author_Location": "Rock Hill, SC"}, {"Author": "Joy H.", "ReviewID": "4kts7jyjbCRb2NDDfYgbGg", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "I have enjoyed several meals here and tried a variety of their dishes. The inside is nice and neat and the staff tries really hard to provide great and friendly service. \u00a0A pleasant experience!", "Date": "2013-03-09", "Author_Location": "South End, Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Mimi N.", "ReviewID": "XuKrzItIkAMHxH3ZCbpWVQ", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "There's not many places in Charlotte that cooks vietnamese dishes that I like. However, amazingly Doan's had made on to my list of great place to eat! They have all traditional dishes that most viet restaurants serves, however they really put effort in to making those dishes taste good. Whenever I go there, the owner alway ask my opinion about my dishes, to see if any adjustments are needed to make the dishes better. So you can bet I'll be coming back! :)", "Date": "2012-08-05", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Joyce F.", "ReviewID": "NH97vHQZd5WZ9vHWYlkZ7Q", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "After a long day of shopping, Doan's does not disappoint!! We had spring rolls made with chicken and shrimp instead of traditional pork. My dad won't eat any red meat or pork, and the staff was wonderful with that! The spring rolls were served with the traditional peanut sauce which seemed a little less sweeter than normal, which was great for me. The crispy egg rolls were a little over crispy for my liking but they had great flavor. They were served with the fish sauce and a sweet duck-type sauce. We ordered traditional pho, noodle soup with pork and shrimp and a vermicelli bowl. They made my dad a special bowl with shrimp, vegetarian rolls and chicken...for no additional cost! My pho was very flavorful, and not salty at all! I cannot have additional salt in my diet, so eating out has become a challenge...but I LOVE to try new restaurants. We will come back here often!! Oh...and they serve unsweetened tea, my glass was never empty! And the hot tea was great as well!!", "Date": "2012-12-17", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Michelle B.", "ReviewID": "wHHPBhK2dtALYm-ZOvFdJg", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "I enjoyed lunch at Doan's with the family. \u00a0It was a bit awkward as you walk in. \u00a0You're not sure whether to seat yourself or if someone is going to come welcome you. \u00a0Along with another patron, we opted to seat ourselves. \u00a0Finally, we were recognized and the journey began. \u00a0The sweet tea was delicious (I often opt for water). \u00a0The mussels were tasty as were the egg rolls (they were served steaming hot). \u00a0Both appetizers were a hit at our table. \u00a0For my entree, I opted for something spicy and ordered SP2, Singapore Style Noodles - Bun Singapore (shrimp and stir-fried vermicelli). \u00a0The dish was fabulously satisfying! \u00a0However, it was not spicy at all. \u00a0I forgot to ask why not, but on my next visit, I will ensure my waiter understands that I want the spices. \u00a0I added a mixture of their special red pepper sauce and some fish oil which gave me the spiciness I craved. \u00a0Because my meal was delectable, I cannot help but give Doan's 5/5 stars. \u00a0I sincerely hope the tradition continues and the food does not lose its tastefulness.", "Date": "2013-04-14", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Eliy M.", "ReviewID": "AIV7lz8LTcfejpGpRfHz7Q", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "i can never find a viet restaurant with good pho, thai tea or viet coffee, and viet french sandwich together, wifi and I found my new place. The place is very clean, great staff, great food.... i am excited to try other things :)but i will have to say their pad thai wasn't the best so i give it an ok.", "Date": "2012-10-23", "Author_Location": "Fort Mill, SC"}, {"Author": "Joyce G.", "ReviewID": "KltpzU0Y8mp9IysCMZmPiA", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "as a base comparison to several others - this place is heads and shoulders above the rest.", "Date": "2013-08-09", "Author_Location": "Madison, WI"}, {"Author": "Kiri S.", "ReviewID": "_NBiRnquk6Ifsx71Wg0NAQ", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "Been to Doan's twice and enjoyed it both times. The first time I ordered the grilled pork vermicelli - which was great. The second visit was what really sealed the deal, though. We were running errands in the area on a very rainy and chilly (for August) weekend and stopped in to try their pho. We were in good company, the restaurant was at least 3/4 full. This affected our service a bit, as it took at least 10 minutes for a server to stop by again - the speed of service didn't detract from our experience, they were apologetic and obviously doing the best they could on a very busy mid-afternoon. I ordered Thai iced tea, and we shared a few appetizers - the rocket shrimp (which seemed to be forgotten for awhile, but were tasty when they finally came out) and the shrimp/pork spring rolls. The real star was the chicken pho, though, the broth was well-seasoned and we left feeling full, warm, and ready the face the rain, and more errands.", "Date": "2013-09-20", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Robert M.", "ReviewID": "Ki3K3COqU-n0-MI8uvrvmg", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Went this week for lunch for the first time and boy, was I impressed. First off, the place is very clean which sends a good message to a first time visitor, not to mention regulars. Recieved a nice greeting and easy seating in a comfortable booth. The waiter/owner (Andy) was very friendly and eager to explain anything we didn't understand. He was very helpful.As important, our lunch was terrific. Everything was really fresh and you could tell. The wraps were JUST wrapped, the pork was JUST grilled, and on and on. The pho with tofu was delicious and a very large helping. The vermicelli rice noodle dish was the best I've had in town. Overall it was a very good experience and one that I plan to repeat often! Thanks Doan for your great new contribution to the Charlotte restaurant scene!", "Date": "2012-10-25", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Noelle V.", "ReviewID": "V_6hloLSwdsxnybTO5zzkg", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "My new fav! \u00a0The lemongrass chicken is incredible. \u00a0So flavorful and - tad spicy! \u00a0The service is awesome for newbies like us who have lots of questions. \u00a0They made a mistake on our order and fell all over themselves trying to get it right. \u00a0Loved it!", "Date": "2012-11-29", "Author_Location": "Ballantyne, Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Shelley R.", "ReviewID": "Z2tkeDBthWfbnKy5rUwROw", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Fantastic! The bahn mi are great; I would eat them everyday if I could. FYI the jalapenos are abnormally spicy and you might want to take the seeds out if you can't handle the heat! I love the limeade- I wish I was able to recreate it at home! I've only had one appetizer: rocket shrimp. They are served HOT and awesome. The Pho is great, as well as the R8 House special- broken rice with shrimp, grilled pork, grilled beef, tofu patty, and egg patty. The curry chicken (R13) is perfectly spicy! The service and great and friendly. I highly recommend Doan's!", "Date": "2012-09-30", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Allen T.", "ReviewID": "f2PIKElJQCTDJxK9Ck3xmg", "Overall": "4.0", "Content": "The pho is not bad, cute little store", "Date": "2013-09-07", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Michael W.", "ReviewID": "DK7rSEkLohSh0cdJFt4cKA", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Delicious-ness. \u00a0Fantastic menu and great food. \u00a0The wait staff is friendly and the place is new and very clean. \u00a0Love it...", "Date": "2012-09-09", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Tee M.", "ReviewID": "AyXxQqNAeToBTL-M5TWWxA", "Overall": "3.0", "Content": "I went here from the other Yelp review ( but mostly because of the delicious pictures that were provided). I dined on a Friday around 6pm. The place was nearly empty, other than one other party of 2. When I first walked in, I couldnt help but notice a smell of vanilla cigars(?) I couldn't put my finger on it, but it smelt like someone used to smoke in this facility. (Granted, it could have been the previous owner). I did notice fragrant candles on many of the tables. The service here was awesome. You could tell it was an establishment that was trying it's best to serve it's customers. I ordered a Vietnamase \u00a0Iced coffee and I think the lady-owner came out herself to make sure that it tasted to my satisfaction.The most disappointing part of the meal was that they had NO PHO available. NONE. On a Friday night at 6pm. No Pho. I guess the cooks weren't around and the stock wouldn't be available until an hour later. Nevertheless I ordered a vermicelli noodle dish with egg rolls, chicken, and pork. It was really tasty. My SO ordered the pad thai (they did let us know beforehand that it was a sweet and sour taste). It was OK. I asked for my food to be wrapped up, but then found out that a different waiter threw it out by mistake. (Honestly, this wasn't a big deal for me because I didn't have alot of food left, but I've never had this happen to me before and thought it was worth mentioning).If this restaurant was less than a 5 minute drive from me, I would definitely give it another chance. However, any Vietnamese restaurant that runs out of pho it's opening month feels like a place that isn't up to par with my standards.", "Date": "2012-07-27", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "john M.", "ReviewID": "dz0Tlk3jNu0bRGOhWbvAiA", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "This place is AWESOME! Clean, friendly and absolutely delicious. My family and I eat alot of Vietnamese food and this is the cleanest one I have ever been too. I can't wait to go back!", "Date": "2012-08-20", "Author_Location": "Charlotte, NC"}, {"Author": "Tom R.", "ReviewID": "4ouqx1PRfSFedLWMoiKMJw", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Absolutely delicious Vietnamese food. \u00a0Their pork and spring rolls are the best I've had in the dozens of Vietnamese restaurants I have visited around the country. \u00a0A wonderful treat during a hectic trip to this city. \u00a0The staff were also really hospitable during several visits.", "Date": "2012-12-31", "Author_Location": "New York, NY"}, {"Author": "Meka W.", "ReviewID": "LTATy79ApWoJFf7FvENDGg", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "The food is delicious and the place is so clean. \u00a0The staff is super helpful and nice as well. \u00a0The best pho I've had in Charlotte hands down...", "Date": "2012-11-09", "Author_Location": "Manhattan, NY"}, {"Author": "Pete D.", "ReviewID": "N3LIiCj_q1Z_qNWUjCwWmw", "Overall": "5.0", "Content": "Fresh and yummy dishes. Excellent service. Very clean. Waiter offered new sauces with spring rolls that were delicious. Best Vietnamese I've had in Charlotte. Will definitely be back.", "Date": "2012-08-22", "Author_Location": "Matthews, NC"}], "RestaurantInfo": {"RestaurantID": "TwppV6og_YAPkQOWkWOXkQ", "Name": "Doan\u2019s", "Price": "$$", "RestaurantURL": "/biz/doans-charlotte", "Longitude": " -80.87515899999999", "Address": "5937 S BlvdCharlotte, NC 28217", "Latitude": " 35.154494999999997", "ImgURL": "//s3-media3.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/MdPH5cMnj9ZBMnF6GG-CAA/90s.jpg"}}
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{"poster":"namecracker","date":"2018-01-17T20:34:28.396+0000","title":"Bug al terminar partida","subforum":"Problemas Técnicos","up_votes":10,"down_votes":0,"body":"Bueno, cuando rompimos el nexo enemigo con mi duo en ranked, al explotar no salio la ventana de victoria y quedamos esperando ahi 5 min, despues decidimos salir con alt f4 pero al llegar al cliente denuevo nos tiraba solo la opcion de reconectar\r\n\r\nAl reconectar dice que no se puede establecer conexion con el servidor\r\n\r\nesto nos esta pasando a mi y a mi duo.\r\n{{sticker:zombie-nunu-tears}}","replies":[{"poster":"Hagi009","date":"2018-01-17T22:42:57.445+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Alquien sabe alguna forma de desconectarse, me sale reconectar, pero cuando contexta me sale una ventana diciéndome que el servidor esta fuera de servicio, y me da la opción de reintentar o cancelar, pero no hay mas opciones, alguien sabrá un comando de desconectarse de la partida","replies":[]},{"poster":"XxTentraguaxX","date":"2018-01-17T22:25:48.544+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Alguien pudo solucionar?","replies":[]},{"poster":"Kareti Teemain","date":"2018-01-17T22:23:20.152+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Me acaba de pasar en una ranked y habia ganado ;(","replies":[]},{"poster":"cupcake02","date":"2018-01-17T21:48:57.327+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Lo mismo termine mi ultima ranked en victoria al cerrarse el juego para ir al lobby sale saltar estadisticas y le di ya que habia esperado unos 5 minutos y nada mi ranked no conto ni aperecio ni siquiera conto para la mision\n{{sticker:zombie-nunu-tears}}","replies":[]},{"poster":"Äeon","date":"2018-01-17T21:09:37.998+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Acabo de publicar lo mismo y no sé qué esté pasando","replies":[]},{"poster":"xPulgInSec","date":"2018-01-17T21:06:29.479+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"{{sticker:sg-ahri-2}} x2","replies":[]},{"poster":"pajarit0","date":"2018-01-17T20:36:37.751+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"ami se me soluciono, pero no me conto la partida","replies":[{"poster":"Marveilano","date":"2018-01-17T20:39:14.098+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Tampoco a mi, que asco la verdad, había ganado y terminado 17/5/18","replies":[]}]},{"poster":"Edgardillo","date":"2018-01-17T20:38:52.856+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Me paso lo mismo y después no me contó la victoria y no me dieron los pl, tampoco me sale la partida en el historial de partidas","replies":[]},{"poster":"In The Bush ","date":"2018-01-17T20:37:22.025+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Lo mismo me paso","replies":[]},{"poster":"Patán","date":"2018-01-17T20:37:18.811+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"me paso lo mismo en un aram {{item:3151}}","replies":[]},{"poster":"Marveilano","date":"2018-01-17T20:35:49.628+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Me acaba de pasar tal cual lo mismo.","replies":[]},{"poster":"Gard","date":"2018-01-17T20:35:36.353+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Tranquilo amigo que a varias personas les esta pasando, es el servidor seguramente entre en mantenimiento de nuevo ;/","replies":[]}]}
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{"poster":"Ηollowsquad","date":"2019-03-23T18:13:11.883+0000","title":"ACC LEVELN","subforum":"Clans & Teams","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"einfach adden für acc leveln :]\r\n\r\nΗollowsquad","replies":[{"poster":"Fellurion","date":"2019-06-15T15:39:49.766+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"hi wäre dabei einfach adden","replies":[]}]}
{"poster":"UnDead Knight","date":"2016-03-19T23:28:11.212+0000","title":"¿Por que siendo Support recibes tan poco PI?","subforum":"Charlas Generales","up_votes":2,"down_votes":11,"body":"Lo que quiero decir,y es mas una duda,es por que siendo o jugando de Support,por ejemplo: Thresh,Braum,Blitzcrank,Janna,etc; por que podemos nombrar muchos mas,recibes poco PI.Puedo jugar una Normal en mapa de la Grieta y de Support me dan no se 96PI partida ganada,y miro un ARAM con Phanteon y me dan como 150PI o mas.\r\nOsea no entendi esa diferencia tan abismal,ademas que tmbn el tema de runas,muchas veces se te hace pesado conseguirlas;conseguir 2 runas de Reduccion de Enfriamientos en Glifos son 820 c/u,seria un total de 1640 de PI ambas,y habiendo runas regaladas,para campeones con daño,por ejemplo Runa de Poder de Habilidad en Glifo tmbn 410 c/u\r\nNo entiendo ese tema de que por que el Support mas que nada recibe tan poco PI,y eso a la hora de comprar una Runa necesaria o que te sirva,te cueste tanto conseguirla.\r\nMas que nada esa es mi duda por que jugando de Support consigues tan poco PI,mas que nada a comparacion de otros Campeones,y es que en una Normal en ls Grieta,partida ganada 96PI,y un Aram con otro campeon mas PI,y tal vez perdida te dan lo que sacas en otro Aram llevando a un Support y esa partida ganada,y sacas casi lo mismo PI.\r\nEs mas una duda,y quisiera saber la razon.A mi parecer es mas injusto.Desde ya muchas gracias y saludos","replies":[{"poster":"lucpro","date":"2016-03-19T23:41:40.749+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"en mi opinión supp y jg deberían recibir un poco mas de pi son las lineas mas importantes para mi no se haría nada sin ellos :P","replies":[{"poster":"Ozarcus","date":"2016-03-19T23:57:05.875+0000","up_votes":2,"down_votes":0,"body":"Todos reciben el mismo PI, no importa la linea, score, build etc.\nEs por tiempo.","replies":[{"poster":"UnDead Knight","date":"2016-03-21T02:57:02.481+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":1,"body":"No lo creas,hay mucha diferencia siendo Supp y Jg a jugar Top,Mid y Adc,yo mas o menos lo comprobe en Aram,y mirando Aram y Normales,y es mucha la diferencia,como un Aram con Phanteon ganada te dan como 200 de PI,y un Grieta ganada con Thresh sin 96 de PI,es mucha diferencia","replies":[{"poster":"Ozarcus","date":"2016-03-21T03:17:56.925+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Hay que dejar cosas claras...\nEn ARAM, ganás menor cantidad de PI que en la Grieta, a menos que mejores con RP o tengas tu primera victoria del día.\nTampoco importa el tipo de campeón, sería absurdo.\n\nEn la Grieta (O ARAM), también depende del tipo de partida. Ya sea Personalizada, Normal o Clasificatoria que jueges {{summoner:4}} \nAdemas, ¿como se te ocurre pensar que un support ganaría menos?","replies":[{"poster":"UnDead Knight","date":"2016-03-26T02:50:58.148+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Pues no juegas de Support,no tiene sentido lo que dices,si la diferencia es muy notable,se nota muchisimo.Se nota que no sabes ni lo que es ser Support,ni el trabajo que Support hace por ti,y estoy seguro que lo juegas eres el tipico que lleva cualquier cosa o no acepta,o se hace daño,por que de esos hay varios compañero. Compruébalo y luego me dices.Saludos","replies":[{"poster":"Ozarcus","date":"2016-03-26T03:47:03.454+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"> [{quoted}](name=fumanchi13,realm=LAS,application-id=v7qsfXsE,discussion-id=MP9E78X8,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-26T02:50:58.148+0000)\n>\n> Pues no juegas de Support,no tiene sentido lo que dices,si la diferencia es muy notable,se nota muchisimo.Se nota que no sabes ni lo que es ser Support,ni el trabajo que Support hace por ti,y estoy seguro que lo juegas eres el tipico que lleva cualquier cosa o no acepta,o se hace daño,por que de esos hay varios compañero. Compruébalo y luego me dices.Saludos\n\nPensa lo que quieras, me importa un comino.\nSeguí pensando que el Support gana menos PI, por dios a ver si tenes un poco de sentido de común, nunca había oído algo tan tonto.","replies":[]}]}]}]}]},{"poster":"UnDead Knight","date":"2016-03-21T02:50:33.923+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":1,"body":"Tienes la razon,gente que me diga ganamos todo lo mismo,se nota que no juega de Supp o Jg,y no aprecia el trabajo de ellos,es absurdo el poco PI que recibes","replies":[]}]},{"poster":"Ozarcus","date":"2016-03-19T23:35:19.290+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"El PI obtenido de una partida depende del tiempo que duró. Mientras mas tiempo, mas PI","replies":[{"poster":"Yrox the Third","date":"2016-03-19T23:38:25.841+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":1,"body":"> [{quoted}](name=Ozarcus,realm=LAS,application-id=v7qsfXsE,discussion-id=MP9E78X8,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-03-19T23:35:19.290+0000)\n>\n> El PI obtenido de una partida depende del tiempo que duró. Mientras mas tiempo, mas PI\n\nHasta cierto punto, si no me equivoco, despues del minuto 45 empieza a bajar la cantidad de IP que ganas, luego del minuto 70 creo no vuelve a cambiar.","replies":[{"poster":"Ozarcus","date":"2016-03-19T23:56:24.361+0000","up_votes":2,"down_votes":0,"body":"Al contrario, mientra mas tiempo, mas PI","replies":[]}]}]},{"poster":"Dark Helel","date":"2016-03-21T03:01:10.733+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"...\nSos conciente que cada 22 hs te dan un bono de pi gratuito, no?\nUn ARAM te da un total promedio de 31 a 45 pi, esa diferencia es la de si ganas o perdes y en el caso minimo.\nUna normal da mas o menos de 50 a 65 pi,idem y en estos casos es entre el min 15 a 20.\nluego comienza a aumentar.\n\nTu \"panteon me da 150\" es simplemente por el bono de pi que mencione. porque un ARAM te da sin el bono unos 80 a 100/110 y exagerando....solo si la partida se estira hasta 50/1hs.\nY una normal con el bono de pi y jugando mas de una hora y ganando te da mas o menos de entre 325 a 390 pi, y no hay ningun, al supp le dan menos oro...en todo caso dependera de que hagas en la partida y haya unos minibonus, pero esas ganancias de pi son asi al menos desde la S2,asi que seria muy raro que justo ahora el supp gane menos pi, siendo que el rol existe hace 4 años ya y nadie se quejo de eso.","replies":[{"poster":"UnDead Knight","date":"2016-03-26T02:59:49.735+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":1,"body":"Quieres comprobarlo,quiere que compruebes eso que dices,el Supp es uno de los ejes principales del equipo,junto al Jungla.Para mi paso de tener que ver lo que hagas o no hagas como Support,yo puedo wardear bien,asisitir y todo,pero Riot no cuenta eso para un Support,ellos cuentan,el tiempo,si era top,mid y ad y les regalan 200 de PI,y el Supp y el Jg que?que les jodan¿?.....","replies":[]}]},{"poster":"IGNORE ALL","date":"2016-03-19T23:41:59.482+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Es depende de la duración de la partida y si ganaste o perdiste (sin importar el score). De todas formas ARAM tiene un pequeñooo bonus de PI","replies":[{"poster":"Ranpage","date":"2016-03-20T01:59:05.462+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"lol eso no sabia que aram tiene el pequeño bonus de pi de cuanto es","replies":[{"poster":"IGNORE ALL","date":"2016-03-20T15:27:13.147+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"No sé, lo dijo un rioter una vez en el foro. Supongo que sera 10/15 PI.","replies":[]}]}]},{"poster":"UnDead Knight","date":"2016-03-21T02:49:35.643+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":2,"body":"No digan que ganamos la misma cantidad por es pura mentira,siendo SUpport o Jg ganas muy poco PI,y al final son los mas importantes.Como jugando una normal de Supp ganada recibes 96PI,un poquito mas,pero no hay mucha diferencia a la duracion,son cuanto 3 de PI extra,para mi es nada,costando Runas no 5 veces mas,es que te limita muchisimo","replies":[]}]}
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{"poster":"h0ly jesiz","date":"2017-09-04T14:12:15.760+0000","title":"Suche Duo q Partner (Silver - Gold)","subforum":"Clans & Teams","up_votes":2,"down_votes":0,"body":"Hey boys und girls,\r\n\r\nIch suche immer noch einen Duopartner, gerne etwas das länger hält. ;)\r\nIch bin 24 Jahre alt, hätte auch gerne jemanden der über 18 ist und eine ordentlich Einstellung hat! Meine roles sind mid/adc, ich suche einen Mate der bevorzugt Support oder Jungle spielt. Elo von mir ist hohes Silber, also wäre hohes Silber --> Gold perfekt. Bitte nur Leute melden die TS haben, und auch gewillt sind es zu benutzen. ;)\r\n\r\nEinfach ingame melden wer Lust hat =D\r\n\r\ncu @ worlds !\r\n\r\nPS: Ich tryharde immer, es wäre also toll wenn du auch immer versuchst alles rauszuholen was geht ;)","replies":[{"poster":"Captaín Banana","date":"2017-09-04T15:03:36.713+0000","up_votes":2,"down_votes":0,"body":"hallo add mich mal ingame: Drágon Sin\n\nbin 21 spiele main support und jungle habe ts und bin silber 3 :) letzte season war ich in den promos zu gold \n\nPS: tryharden find ich gut ^^ freu mich auf dich :) und geflame oder herumgeheule wenn man mal 3 spiele verliert gibts bei mir auch nicht ;))","replies":[]},{"poster":"phildryzen","date":"2017-09-04T21:35:27.235+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Hey,\n\nein Freund entwickelt mit mir zusammen eine Teamfinder App für LoL, ähnlich wie Tinder. Wie haben seit kurzem unsere Beta gestartet und sind jetzt fast bei 1000 Nutzern. Du kannst bei uns die Spieler u.a. nach Elo, Alter, Geschlecht usw. filtern und wirst nur von Spielern angeschrieben wenn du das auch möchtest. Die Mitspieler sollte bei uns auf jeden fall wesentlich leichter gehen als hier über das Forum :)\nWenn du willst kannst du es gerne mal probieren. Würden uns über Feedback freuen!\n\nAuf [www.getsoj.com](http://www.getsoj.com) kannst du dich registrieren. Das dauert keine 30 Sekunden… :)","replies":[]}]}
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{"poster":"IITheKingII","date":"2016-09-20T23:38:18.757+0000","title":"Como cuando se cae el servidor :v","subforum":"Charlas Generales","up_votes":38,"down_votes":2,"body":"http://imgur.com/ZDYXh0S","replies":[{"poster":"Nickelio","date":"2016-09-21T03:25:43.199+0000","up_votes":21,"down_votes":1,"body":"Que tienen de parecido el server de LAS y el cigarrillo?\nExacto, los dos te dan cancer","replies":[{"poster":"Bae Joo Hyun","date":"2016-09-21T04:23:41.982+0000","up_votes":2,"down_votes":0,"body":"{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} Genio !","replies":[]}]},{"poster":"Vaendrys","date":"2016-09-20T23:38:40.753+0000","up_votes":5,"down_votes":1,"body":"ke vuenh momo lpm xDxdxdxD","replies":[{"poster":"IITheKingII","date":"2016-09-20T23:39:09.636+0000","up_votes":4,"down_votes":0,"body":"Tenkiu xdxdxdxd","replies":[]}]},{"poster":"resnov15","date":"2016-09-21T00:50:03.188+0000","up_votes":3,"down_votes":7,"body":"Como cuando la gente tiene problemas de coneccion y lo unico que hace es quejarse solo aca","replies":[{"poster":"Vaendrys","date":"2016-09-21T01:13:48.422+0000","up_votes":3,"down_votes":0,"body":"Soy de los que le caen como el orto los boludos que solo se quejan,pero hoy el server murio lentamente posta xD","replies":[{"poster":"resnov15","date":"2016-09-21T01:25:06.345+0000","up_votes":2,"down_votes":6,"body":"no se,yo no tuve problemas","replies":[{"poster":"Matas23","date":"2016-09-21T13:53:53.984+0000","up_votes":2,"down_votes":1,"body":"eres ezpecial :v{{champion:17}} ","replies":[]}]}]},{"poster":"JStalin","date":"2016-09-21T00:52:45.825+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"de echo a un amigo mio y a mi nos paso lo mismo y teniamos 65 fps y 45 ms (eso tenia yo)\ny todos los enemigos vivian en una isla y dijieron izi todos >:v","replies":[{"poster":"Sunimi","date":"2016-09-21T02:36:13.089+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"eso me paso a mi lol :'v se movian raro los personajes JAJA","replies":[{"poster":"JStalin","date":"2016-09-21T21:29:21.940+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"osea hacia una señal y no sabia que tenia lag, todo bien hago la señal....eh, me salio mal? po devuelta xdxd...\notra vez: PO PARA CUANDO SE MANDA\ny luego de 3 minutos: ermano no sabia que mi pc era tostador :c lo mismo le paso a mi amigo","replies":[]}]}]}]},{"poster":"Jeriko248","date":"2016-09-21T03:52:09.833+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":1,"body":"soy el unico que gano ranked con este lagg?? wiiiii zoy ezpecial","replies":[{"poster":"Matas23","date":"2016-09-21T13:53:08.410+0000","up_votes":2,"down_votes":1,"body":"{{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}","replies":[]},{"poster":"KerneI panic","date":"2016-09-21T15:12:49.482+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":1,"body":"el futuro es OP :D","replies":[]}]},{"poster":"Summoner Teo","date":"2016-09-21T04:19:07.336+0000","up_votes":2,"down_votes":1,"body":"Que tienen de diferente el cigarro de graves y el server de LAS? Que al cigarro si lo pueden sacar","replies":[{"poster":"iLegault","date":"2016-09-21T09:28:46.191+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"graves can't have a cigar","replies":[]}]},{"poster":"StealthVice","date":"2016-09-22T01:24:57.782+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"-18 LP por estas cosas y eso que la tenía ganada. {{champion:32}}","replies":[]},{"poster":"She Ra","date":"2016-09-21T02:51:42.036+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":1,"body":"Porrr favooorr hagaaan algoo!!! perdii puntooss por culpa del server!!! esta horrible no se aguanta más!! devuelvanme mis puntos, con lo q me cuesta conseguirlos T_T. ","replies":[{"poster":"Alexrg4life","date":"2016-09-21T07:09:54.806+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"los perderias igual amiwo{{summoner:4}}","replies":[{"poster":"Hi Im BubbaKush","date":"2016-09-21T22:38:09.649+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"WUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EN LA CARAAAAAA XD http://www.memegen.es/memes/turn_down_for_what_2\nPD: nose como poner imagenes para que se vean sin el link","replies":[]}]}]},{"poster":"Nylea","date":"2016-09-21T21:41:28.016+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Sutil, gracioso, pero sutil.","replies":[]},{"poster":"kibaxd123","date":"2016-09-21T02:18:08.713+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"120 MB y me anda como las pelotas xD","replies":[]},{"poster":"Reyoide","date":"2016-09-21T02:40:08.719+0000","up_votes":3,"down_votes":3,"body":"El server de riot es como las torres gemelas un dia esta y al otro día ya no...{{champion:115}}","replies":[{"poster":"resnov15","date":"2016-09-21T02:47:48.414+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":3,"body":"Ojo que no en todas las regiones pasa","replies":[]}]},{"poster":"FFfellowship","date":"2016-09-21T02:22:40.894+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":1,"body":"Biiiiiiien Riot voy a jugar mi promo y tenes el Sv para el ogt... quede tranquilo pensando que darias Derrota evitada y me dio por perdida... Aplausos... con razon la gente esta dejando esto.","replies":[]},{"poster":"Reyoide","date":"2016-09-21T02:21:27.939+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":3,"body":"ENCIMA NO HACEN NADA LOS VAGOS","replies":[]}]}
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{"poster":"Ruggis","date":"2017-06-09T12:25:08.962+0000","title":"AIUTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO","subforum":"Aiuto e supporto","up_votes":2,"down_votes":1,"body":"Posso giocare in santa pace?? dall'ultimo aggiornamnento....laggo troppo! eppure non ho un pc scarso!! anzi tutt'altro!! cosa posso fare?? non è neanche questione di router! perchè non mi ha dato tutti questi problemi!! \n","replies":[{"poster":"The Walkïng Zed","date":"2017-06-09T13:44:11.172+0000","up_votes":3,"down_votes":1,"body":"Benvenuto nel fantastico mondo degli \"abbandonati da Telecom\"\n\nAccomodati e attendi il miracolo insieme a noi. {{champion:8}}","replies":[]},{"poster":"mangialavandini","date":"2017-06-09T13:44:40.345+0000","up_votes":2,"down_votes":1,"body":"Potresti darci più dati?\ncosì a braccio ti consiglio di seguire questa guida:\nhttps://support.riotgames.com/hc/it/articles/201752664-Risolvere-i-problemi-di-connessione\n\nPoi fammi sapere\n\nSpero di esserti stato di aiuto, bye","replies":[{"poster":"Ruggis","date":"2017-06-10T12:37:42.815+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Allora...sono con wind infostrada...viaggio a circa 7mega a San nicola la strada, e si sono tramite wi.fi....ma cmq non mi ha dato tanti problemi...come da questo ultimo aggiornamento!!","replies":[]}]},{"poster":"BeardSergio","date":"2017-06-09T14:51:15.141+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Come ha detto Mangialavandini ci serve qualche altra informazione per poterti aiutare.\nSarebbe utile sapere se giochi in wifi, qual'è il provider, se hai packet loss e se succede in un orario preciso e da dove ti colleghi.\nSegui comunque la guida che ti è stata linkata perché sicuramente non fa male","replies":[{"poster":"Ruggis","date":"2017-06-12T17:17:42.141+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Allora...sono con wind infostrada...viaggio a circa 7mega a San nicola la strada, e si sono tramite wi.fi....ma cmq non mi ha dato tanti problemi...come da questo ultimo aggiornamento!!","replies":[]}]}]}
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{"poster":"SguzzoNV","date":"2016-06-10T15:25:08.937+0000","title":"tranquilli","subforum":"Campioni e gameplay","up_votes":1,"down_votes":6,"body":"tranquilla riot c'è in giro un adc che one shota e ha 140 di armor","replies":[{"poster":"Dr LouD","date":"2016-06-10T15:50:37.758+0000","up_votes":4,"down_votes":0,"body":"Stai davvero piangendo ancora per Graves?\n\nHai aperto esattamente lo stesso post qualche settimana fa lol\n\nTra l'altro è dal rework che Graves non è più considerato ADC 'classico', non viene praticamente più giocato in bot lane","replies":[]},{"poster":"Darkinknight","date":"2016-06-10T16:31:07.461+0000","up_votes":2,"down_votes":0,"body":"Aaa che tristezza quando la gente si scorda del buon vecchio mordekaiser adc con 4500 hp, 200+armor e mr, con 1800 danni con un colpo..piu un animale domestico da 5000 hp 😄","replies":[{"poster":"call me pawn","date":"2016-06-10T16:42:40.301+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Come si può dimenticare la sua combo? Flash-terza stack di q ed era una kill assicurata.","replies":[{"poster":"Darkinknight","date":"2016-06-10T17:12:08.389+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Di solito andava in accoppiata con tresh quindi manco serviva il flash 😂..quello si che era un oneshot altroche graves","replies":[{"poster":"call me pawn","date":"2016-06-10T18:07:35.707+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Il ricordo più bello che ho di morde è senza dubbio quando oneshottai un volibear con 2900 hp con solamente la terza stack di q, ero insieme ad altri su ts e siamo scoppiati a ridere xd.","replies":[{"poster":"Darkinknight","date":"2016-06-10T18:19:42.780+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"L'indecenza fatta a champ..io sono negato completamente come adc..ma proprio negato..per curiosita ci avevo fatto un game first time..ho finito una cosa come 20/5/15 o giu di li..una cosa assurda non per nulla era bannato al 99.7% agli lcs 😂","replies":[{"poster":"sboboo","date":"2016-06-11T16:24:41.140+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Quando lo hanno pickato, contro gp (100% w/r mi pare anche lui), il game crashò.","replies":[]}]}]}]}]}]},{"poster":"ShowterX","date":"2016-06-10T15:33:40.318+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"chi?","replies":[{"poster":"Piemoo","date":"2016-06-10T15:36:22.904+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Taric credo.","replies":[{"poster":"Mytlix","date":"2016-06-10T18:14:46.977+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"senza alcun dubbio :3\n\"Le gemme sono meravigliose\"","replies":[]}]},{"poster":"Keìron","date":"2016-06-10T15:35:47.723+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Graves o Ezreal.","replies":[]},{"poster":"Keìron","date":"2016-06-10T15:34:57.722+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"graves penso.","replies":[]}]},{"poster":"RedmasterITA","date":"2016-06-10T18:14:33.730+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFUNjD-MG1s","replies":[]},{"poster":"Dantazzo","date":"2016-06-10T15:49:24.140+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"A chi serve l'armor quando hai questi? {{item:3046}} {{item:3812}}","replies":[]},{"poster":"A Yordle ln Heat","date":"2016-06-10T18:11:23.504+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":1,"body":"Wooooow, quanti Graves ti hanno fatto la festa per farti diventare così impuntato sul loro (ingiusto) nerf?\nMi preoccupi un pochino, ragazzo.\n\nhttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/steven-universe/images/e/ec/Sworn_to_the_Sword_161.png","replies":[]}]}
{"poster":"xsovereign01x","date":"2019-05-11T23:36:40.317+0000","title":"Undeserved permaban","subforum":"Player Behavior","up_votes":1,"down_votes":17,"body":"So today i decided to play some league of legends, i hop on my account (xsovereign01x) and queu up for mid and adc, i get mid lane and swap with the adc because she wanted mid lane, i get into game with the team and the enemy team invades us, the sona then begins pinging my rune (kleptomancy on draven) and starts flaming me and then proceeds to troll by afking, flashing and ulting randomly in front of me and basically doing that for the next 10 minutes, being the tilted gold elo player that i am i decide to flame her, saying stuff like \"f*ing typical\" and \"literally uninstall\" i then quit to take a break because im tilted and see that i cant start another game because oh! im permabanned! Look at that!\r\n\r\nlooks like once again i get punished for flaming (permabanned) while the sona who blatently trolled in front of literally everyone gets off scott free! Really nice! my logs arent even that bad compared to what people say on a daily basis in this game... look below, can i get unbanned please because this is honestly not deserving a permaban....\r\n\r\nGame 1\r\nPre-Game\r\nxsovereign01x: i can play any lane\r\nxsovereign01x: sure\r\nIn-Game\r\nxsovereign01x: oh wait\r\nxsovereign01x: kayn top\r\nxsovereign01x: lmao\r\nxsovereign01x: mb\r\nxsovereign01x: it pulled me into bush\r\nxsovereign01x: ....\r\nxsovereign01x: supports sigh\r\nxsovereign01x: Ur a moron\r\nxsovereign01x: muted\r\nxsovereign01x: ok\r\nxsovereign01x: are you here\r\nxsovereign01x: btw i muted you so i cant hear u if ur tpic\r\nxsovereign01x: typing\r\nxsovereign01x: fing awesome sona\r\nxsovereign01x: such a godly support\r\nxsovereign01x: shes triggered and trolling now because i have kleptomany\r\nxsovereign01x: fing typical\r\nxsovereign01x: literally uninstall\r\nxsovereign01x: you troll trash\r\nxsovereign01x: klepto is literally meta on draven\r\nxsovereign01x: do that shit one more time and you wont be playing with me anymore sona\r\nxsovereign01x: please ust x9 sona\r\nxsovereign01x: making a ticket btw\r\nxsovereign01x: youve been seeing this right rammus\r\nxsovereign01x: rip\r\nxsovereign01x: one auto rip\r\nxsovereign01x: yall are hard inting xD\r\nxsovereign01x: i can solokill jayce\r\nxsovereign01x: ??\r\nxsovereign01x: missed e\r\nxsovereign01x: well mb\r\nxsovereign01x: ????\r\nxsovereign01x: bet kayn and sona are duo lmao\r\nxsovereign01x: they have similar iqs\r\nxsovereign01x: in the 40s\r\nxsovereign01x: fing love permaslow\r\nxsovereign01x: permaslow is so interactive\r\nxsovereign01x: gj\r\nxsovereign01x: CANT AUTO LOLOLOLOLOL\r\nxsovereign01x: just\r\nxsovereign01x: no\r\nxsovereign01x: lol\r\nxsovereign01x: i am\r\nxsovereign01x: but im tilted\r\nxsovereign01x: from sona afk trolling first 10 min\r\nxsovereign01x: LOL\r\nxsovereign01x: 700 dmg q\r\nxsovereign01x: from nidalee\r\nxsovereign01x: over half my bar\r\nxsovereign01x: and shes 2/5\r\nxsovereign01x: good balanced gameplay riot\r\nxsovereign01x: lux and rammus deserve this win\r\nxsovereign01x: im literally useles\r\nxsovereign01x: i goin in to auto and everone oneshots me\r\nxsovereign01x: sad that jayce can beat me in an auto fight\r\nxsovereign01x: good now 1v9 kaybn\r\nxsovereign01x: gj\r\nxsovereign01x: ez\r\nxsovereign01x: ez\r\nxsovereign01x: LOL\r\nxsovereign01x: MORGANA R ONESHOT ME LOL\r\nxsovereign01x: morgana R oneshot me\r\nxsovereign01x: ?\r\nxsovereign01x: gg ez\r\nPost-Game\r\nxsovereign01x: ur shit sona\r\nxsovereign01x: x9 sona trolling\r\n\r\nGame 2\r\nPre-Game\r\nxsovereign01x: vi can you pick me riven pls\r\nIn-Game\r\nxsovereign01x: brie larson is such a btch\r\nxsovereign01x: lmao\r\nxsovereign01x: XDDD\r\nxsovereign01x: cant flash a tower shot\r\nxsovereign01x: doesnt do enough dmg\r\nxsovereign01x: he had 250\r\nxsovereign01x: ign does 130\r\nxsovereign01x: didnt see u also\r\nxsovereign01x: why the f do you outdamage me\r\nxsovereign01x: riot lmao\r\nxsovereign01x: indie company\r\nxsovereign01x: fing tanks outdamaging assasins and bruisers\r\nxsovereign01x: early game\r\nxsovereign01x: fed\r\nxsovereign01x: tbh\r\nxsovereign01x: lmao chill out\r\nxsovereign01x: w doesnt go off\r\nxsovereign01x: plays a tank\r\nxsovereign01x: that outdamages bruiser\r\nxsovereign01x: get good\r\nxsovereign01x: ok r%%%%%\r\nxsovereign01x: im in a higher elo than u sadly\r\nxsovereign01x: guess its just me\r\nxsovereign01x: nice ping bot lane\r\nxsovereign01x: well i can oneshot jinx easily at least\r\nxsovereign01x: gj\r\nxsovereign01x: adc diff\r\nxsovereign01x: tbh\r\nxsovereign01x: fing bot tower over baron\r\nxsovereign01x: Ur stupider than i am tilted\r\nxsovereign01x: ?\r\nxsovereign01x: wukong lmao\r\nxsovereign01x: cant even move\r\nxsovereign01x: ?\r\nxsovereign01x: nice lead throw shen\r\nxsovereign01x: LOL HE ONESHOT U\r\nxsovereign01x: tilted\r\nxsovereign01x: and im more usefull than u btw\r\nxsovereign01x: idiot\r\nxsovereign01x: ?\r\nxsovereign01x: ?\r\nxsovereign01x: gg ez\r\nxsovereign01x: sorry about ur trash toplane :(\r\nxsovereign01x: shen players arent generally very smart\r\nxsovereign01x: ori died/\r\nxsovereign01x: oh\r\nxsovereign01x: rip\r\nxsovereign01x: mb there\r\nxsovereign01x: quadra gg\r\nxsovereign01x: ez\r\nPost-Game\r\nxsovereign01x: gg ez\r\n\r\nGame 3\r\nPre-Game\r\nxsovereign01x: uhh\r\nxsovereign01x: galio neeko bot lane\r\nxsovereign01x: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm\r\nIn-Game\r\nxsovereign01x: forgot how cancerous that champ was lmao\r\nxsovereign01x: trick2g fanboy lmao\r\nxsovereign01x: trashcan yas main needs ganks\r\nxsovereign01x: gayeigeton\r\nxsovereign01x: gaylord tbh\r\nxsovereign01x: suck me balls dipshit\r\nxsovereign01x: uninstall\r\nxsovereign01x: meta slave cuck\r\nxsovereign01x: stays silver\r\nxsovereign01x: Such absolute\r\nxsovereign01x: Fing aids\r\nxsovereign01x: God\r\nxsovereign01x: Fing hate yasuo\r\nxsovereign01x: I was about to die\r\nxsovereign01x: I was about to die\r\nxsovereign01x: ty\r\nxsovereign01x: Fign cc\r\nxsovereign01x: soryeigayton\r\nxsovereign01x: wanna swap lanes\r\nxsovereign01x: top\r\nxsovereign01x: ?\r\nxsovereign01x: \|wtf\r\nxsovereign01x: o\r\nxsovereign01x: So\r\nxsovereign01x: My w doesnt stun i guess\r\nxsovereign01x: cool riot\r\nxsovereign01x: Apparently you dont know how to gank\r\nxsovereign01x: As one of the best early gankers in the game\r\nxsovereign01x: dont even try shittalking\r\nxsovereign01x: bite me\r\nxsovereign01x: no\r\nxsovereign01x: .\r\nxsovereign01x: Want me to go 1/22?\r\nxsovereign01x: because shit talk some more\r\nxsovereign01x: and it can happen\r\nxsovereign01x: same for me but yasuo\r\nxsovereign01x: and akali\r\nxsovereign01x: ?\r\nxsovereign01x: epic players\r\nxsovereign01x: good map awareness\r\nxsovereign01x: neeko just giving free inhib lmao\r\nxsovereign01x: such smart players\r\nxsovereign01x: tilted?\r\nxsovereign01x: bot lane?\r\nxsovereign01x: bet :(\r\nxsovereign01x: epic\r\nxsovereign01x: epic champ\r\nxsovereign01x: super interactive\r\nxsovereign01x: NEEKO SHUT up lol\r\nxsovereign01x: u havedownsdeadass\r\nxsovereign01x: suck me\r\nxsovereign01x: try watching whats happening you fkin everyone wannabe\r\nxsovereign01x: ill defend bot lane\r\nxsovereign01x: dont fight please\r\nxsovereign01x: dont fight i saw\r\nxsovereign01x: say\r\nxsovereign01x: u fight\r\nxsovereign01x: like\r\nxsovereign01x: wtf\r\nxsovereign01x: thats why i dont fight\r\nxsovereign01x: oops\r\nxsovereign01x: we scale btw\r\nxsovereign01x: or not\r\nPost-Game\r\nxsovereign01x: ggez'","replies":[{"poster":"KFCeytron","date":"2019-05-11T23:39:14.684+0000","up_votes":16,"down_votes":1,"body":"You 500% earned that permaban.","replies":[]},{"poster":"Eedat","date":"2019-05-11T23:45:44.974+0000","up_votes":8,"down_votes":1,"body":"Sona was 1 assist shy of tying the highest kill participation, did almost as much damage as you, and a quick look at the XP graphs shows she didnt afk. \n\nBesides, you described a single game but clearly showed 3 different logs","replies":[{"poster":"xsovereign01x","date":"2019-05-11T23:52:15.783+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":6,"body":"She sat in lane XP leeching off me, she was never at the tower away from the minions, she just sat there doing nothing but troll flashing and ulting towards the tower and not helping with anything while we were ganked and while fights were happening","replies":[{"poster":"rujitra","date":"2019-05-12T00:38:01.146+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"She's a player too. It's not your exp to begin with.","replies":[{"poster":"Et Tu Geddn XNa ","date":"2019-05-12T00:49:42.642+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":1,"body":"U legit saying the same thing if ur support had done that? Had u just been laughing at the dude and saying cool bruh that looks good to do? If what hes saying is true then that comes under griefing which i think is bannable/reportable no? Or is that why alot of griefers are running rampant because its not a bannable offence?","replies":[{"poster":"rujitra","date":"2019-05-12T03:06:33.686+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"No, \"leeching XP\" is not a reportable offense. The only way to avoid \"leeching XP\" would be to give up XP that the player is rightfully entitled to.\n\nFurthermore, \"stealing CS\" is not reportable either.\n\nNobody owns CS, exp, jungle camps, tower plates, etc. Period.","replies":[]}]}]}]}]},{"poster":"xsovereign01x","date":"2019-05-11T23:45:59.230+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":13,"body":"But of course the trolling sona gets off like nothing happened. nice fair system! ban tilted players who swear (people can mute you btw) and dont punish the absolute morons that intentionally troll and ruin games","replies":[{"poster":"rujitra","date":"2019-05-11T23:49:07.012+0000","up_votes":7,"down_votes":1,"body":"You aren't the other player.\n\nThey don't matter to you. You aren't them. You are you.","replies":[]},{"poster":"Eedat","date":"2019-05-11T23:47:10.692+0000","up_votes":5,"down_votes":1,"body":"Sona did _waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy_ better than you that game.","replies":[]}]},{"poster":"insomniacjezz","date":"2019-05-11T23:40:21.593+0000","up_votes":2,"down_votes":1,"body":"All of those in-game chats were toxic as hell. After your two week ban you were warned that any further toxicity would result in a permanent ban. I’m not sure why you’re surprised by this outcome.","replies":[]},{"poster":"Smashed Hash","date":"2019-05-11T23:39:43.602+0000","up_votes":2,"down_votes":1,"body":"You on your next account yet?","replies":[]},{"poster":"Fate Decides","date":"2019-05-14T17:26:08.143+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"in what universe did you not deserve that ban lmao.","replies":[]},{"poster":"Rebel 986","date":"2019-05-14T15:12:55.632+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Lov these logs so funny. Every game u say ggez so glad ur banned","replies":[]},{"poster":"Jhins Girlfriend","date":"2019-05-12T00:04:37.950+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"You were toxic in all three games, asked for reports, threatened to int, threatened to afk, _actually_ went afk, constantly argued and complained, insulted others, used a no-tolerance word, and told someone to suck your balls.\nIf you reported the Sona at the end of the match and she was trolling, she'll probably get in trouble. But that perma looks pretty earned to me.","replies":[]},{"poster":"R107 Games","date":"2019-05-11T23:40:10.955+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":9,"body":"The IFS is hyper** strict after a 14 day ban. You were negative in your chat logs thus resulting in your permaban","replies":[]}]}
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In that he formed his church of the posterity of those wise, holy, and faithful men, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and purged and reformed the nation in the wilderness before he established them in Canaan, he might truly be said to <i>plant <\/i>his vineyard <i>with the choicest vine<\/i> \u2014 Or, as the Hebrew is, <i>the vine of Sorek, <\/i>alluding to a valley between Ascalon and Gaza, running up eastward into the tribe of Judah, and famous for the best vines, and the richest vineyards. <i>And he built a tower in the midst of it <\/i>\u2014 As edifices, termed towers by the Jews, were erected in vineyards, containing, as Bishop Lowth supposes, \u201call the offices and implements, and the whole apparatus necessary for the culture of them, and the making of wine;\u201d and, doubtless, also serving for the accommodation and defence of the labourers; and as places of pleasure for the owners of the vineyards; so God provided his church with a most commodious and magnificent temple, furnished with all conveniences for every part of that worship and service which he required his people to perform to him, and affording every requisite accommodation for the residence, support, and comfort of the priests and Levites, while ministering in holy things, and employed in cultivating God\u2019s mystical vineyard; and where he, the Lord of the vineyard, might be peculiarly present, as the protector and consolation of his people, their refuge and strength, and very present help in times of trouble or danger. 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He <i>also made a wine-press therein <\/i>\u2014 Hebrew, <span class=\"hebrew_text\">\u05d5\u05d2\u05dd \u05d9\u05e7\u05d1 \u05d7\u05e6\u05d1<\/span>, which Bishop Lowth properly translates, \u201cAnd he hewed out also a lake therein;\u201d observing that the word <span class=\"hebrew_text\">\u05d9\u05e7\u05d1<\/span>means, not the wine-press itself, or <i>calcatorium, <\/i>(the vessel or place where the grapes were stamped, or trod for the wine, which is expressed by another word,) but \u201cwhat the Romans called <i>lacus, <\/i>the <i>lake; <\/i>the large open place or vessel, which, by a conduit, or spout, received the <i>must <\/i>(or new wine) from the wine-press.\u201d This place, he thinks, in very hot countries, it was necessary, or very convenient, to have under ground, or in a cave hewed out of the side of a rock, \u201cfor coolness; that the heat might not cause too great a fermentation, and sour the must.\u201d Now this lake, made to contain the new wine, may here signify the great altar, made to receive the sacrifices and oblations, as the fruits of the spiritual vineyard. <i>And he looked that it should bring forth grapes <\/i>\u2014 Real, genuine fruit, true, substantial piety and virtue, or godliness and righteousness; <i>and it brought forth wild grapes <\/i>\u2014 Or, rather, <i>poisonous berries, <\/i>as Bishop Lowth translates <span class=\"hebrew_text\">\u05d1\u05d0\u05e9\u05c1\u05d9\u05dd<\/span>, the word here used, which does not signify \u201cmerely useless, unprofitable grapes, such as wild grapes; but grapes offensive to the smell, noxious, poisonous;\u201d such as those mentioned <a class=\"ref\">2 Kings 4:39-41<\/a>. For, according to the force and intent of the allegory, \u201cTo good grapes ought to be opposed fruit of a dangerous and pernicious quality; as, in the explication of it, to judgment is opposed tyranny, and to righteousness oppression.\u201d See an elegant paraphrase of this part of the parable, <a class=\"ref\">Jeremiah 2:21<\/a>.<\/p>", "audit": null }
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{"poster":"BennyZockt8910","date":"2016-12-14T19:57:55.307+0000","title":"Nerf Camille","subforum":"Champions & Gameplay","up_votes":3,"down_votes":9,"body":"Ich finde das Camille viel zu op ist also riot bitte nimmt sie wieder aus dem spiel","replies":[{"poster":"RetardedMist","date":"2016-12-16T19:39:43.503+0000","up_votes":2,"down_votes":0,"body":"Ein bruser der im vergleich zu einem fulltank 200 mehr leben, 35 mehr rüstung, 1,5 mehr life/manareg hat. Zudem macht ihre q true damage und ihre e verhinfer cc.Ihre ulti lässt Jarvans ulti wie nichts außsehen und man kann nicht mal aus flashen und sie macht dann ja auch %mag damage. Insgesammt sag ich nur ty rito","replies":[]},{"poster":"Blombix","date":"2016-12-24T15:12:31.329+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Erstmal ein Großes Lob an den/die Erschaffer von Camille sie spielt echt nice und bekommt wenn sie will jeden Gegner trotzdem ist sie nicht zu OP geworden.\nIch bin gerade dabei Sie zu mainen, leider gibt es für sie aber nur einen skin und der ist meiner Meinung nach nicht gerade sehr gut ;( und ein Main ohne skin ist kein Main.\nWenn es jetzt noch ein gescheiter skin für sie kommt ist das jahr perfekt zu ende gegangen \nUnd an all die, die Flamen sie sei zu stark ein Yasou oder jeder fehrn Kämpfer auf der Top lane sowie LeBlanc Morgan etc. Countern sie easy aus sofern sie gescheit spielen","replies":[]},{"poster":"rip john shelby","date":"2016-12-14T20:06:52.393+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Ich find ihr Early eher gesagt schwach oder irre ich mich?","replies":[{"poster":"Mi3zekatze","date":"2016-12-14T20:16:20.408+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":3,"body":"Ich glaube du irrst dich ;) \nIm early zählen hauptsächlich AA weil mehr AD als AP vorhanden ist und niemand tanky ist. Camille kann gleich 2mal ihre AA canceln (mir fällt das wort nicht ein! xD) und kommt sicher mit der E in reichweite für AAs","replies":[{"poster":"RAG Ryve","date":"2016-12-15T08:10:56.985+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Hä? Was hat denn das mitn AD und AP hier zutun?","replies":[{"poster":"Mi3zekatze","date":"2016-12-15T08:48:33.523+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":1,"body":"Ohne Items hat man mehr AD als AP. D.h. AA machen mehr aus als FÄhigkeiten","replies":[{"poster":"RAG Ryve","date":"2016-12-15T09:05:37.233+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Was? XD Wie kommst du denn bitte darauf? XD\n\nMal ganz davon abgesehen das es Fähigkeiten gibt die mit AD, AP oder beidem skalieren, selbst dann macht deine Aussage keine Sinn.^^\n\nMal angenommen wir würden hier jetzt nicht über Camille reden, was wir eigentlich machen und die Fähigkeiten benutzt die mit AD skalieren, macht ein Victor mit seiner E noch immer mehr schaden als mit seinen AA´s, selbst wenn er 15 AP hat und 58 AD, weil der Grundschaden von Fähigkeiten in der Regel weit über dem AA Damage liegen und die 15 AP auch noch einen Bonus draufgeben.^^","replies":[{"poster":"Mi3zekatze","date":"2016-12-15T17:23:12.463+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Im early sind AA wichtiger als Spells von Aplern! Überleg mal ich bin Ahrimain (gewesen) und ihr DMG auf der Lane auf LVL 1-2 besteht zu\n50% aus AA ca. 300 Schaden\n40% aus Spells ca. 250 Schaden\n10% Ignite ca. 90 Schaden\nUnd das bei einem Mage! Autoattacks sind eine riesige Schadensquelle im Early. Überleg mal ein MAGE (der EIG. mit Fähigkeiten dmg machen möchte) nimmt 50% seines Schadens aus AA!!? Und dies ist bei Cammile noch viel härter der Fall! Erstens hat sie viel mehr AD am Anfang als alles andere und kann ihr AA sogar 2mal resetten. Mehr early DMG geht gar nicht!\n\nAngemerkt ist natürlich das ein Mage im Lategame and die 95% seines Schadens mit Spells macht eben weil er jtz mehr AP dazu gewonnen hat.","replies":[]}]}]}]},{"poster":"Megamaexx","date":"2016-12-15T09:37:03.666+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":">Camille kann gleich 2mal ihre AA canceln\n\nDu meinst vermutlich resetten^^","replies":[{"poster":"Mi3zekatze","date":"2016-12-15T16:59:22.049+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Jo hab das Wort nicht gefunden xD","replies":[]}]}]},{"poster":"RAG Ryve","date":"2016-12-14T20:10:27.283+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Ne stimmt schon. Da man sie ähnlich wie Irelia aufbaut im Early durch 1 Dmg Item und meistens vorher noch ne Triforce kauft kommt ihr dmg spike erst relativ spät.","replies":[{"poster":"Mi3zekatze","date":"2016-12-14T20:19:45.863+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":1,"body":"Ich denke mal er meint early auf der Lane das heißt alles bis zum ersten Backport oder bis lvl 6","replies":[]}]}]},{"poster":"MeMyselfandBaal","date":"2016-12-14T20:09:30.299+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":2,"body":"Also ich habe erst Mal nur ihre Recall und ihre Todeanimation gesehen... und kann darauf hin behaupten: Support Camille ist Mist.","replies":[{"poster":"Mi3zekatze","date":"2016-12-14T20:19:11.115+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":3,"body":"Camille ist ja auch Toplanerinn und kann auch im Jgl gespielt werden ;)","replies":[{"poster":"RAG Ryve","date":"2016-12-15T09:08:06.030+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Du kannst die genauso in die Mitte packen.^^\nDie wenigstens Midlaner sperren sich gerne mit einem Bruiser in ihrer Ult ein aus der sie nicht rauskommen. XD","replies":[{"poster":"Mi3zekatze","date":"2016-12-15T17:00:30.313+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Naja aber ein RIESEN Problem ist das Sie ADler ist UND keine Range! \nKein Waveclear!\n\nIch denke sie wird eine 50% Toplanerinn und 50% Junglerinn","replies":[]}]}]},{"poster":"Uranbrennstab","date":"2016-12-15T06:43:23.002+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":1,"body":"> [{quoted}](name=MeMyselfandBaal,realm=EUW,application-id=Wj1wcocU,discussion-id=UdAsMHE1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-12-14T20:09:30.299+0000)\n>\n> Also ich habe erst Mal nur ihre Recall und ihre Todeanimation gesehen... und kann darauf hin behaupten: Support Camille ist Mist.\n\nVersuch mal APC Riven, ist richtig Mist.","replies":[]}]},{"poster":"Maexle","date":"2016-12-15T14:51:18.826+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Meiner Meinung nach würde es schon reichen die Reichweite ihrer E etwas zu reduzieren und ihrer Ult etwas counterplay zu geben, so dass man rausflashen kann. \n{{champion:17}}","replies":[]},{"poster":"RAG Ryve","date":"2016-12-14T20:11:17.902+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Jetzte mal ganz ehrlich, wie oft kam es vor das ein Char aus dem Spiel genommen wird weil er zu OP war? XD\n1 mal bei Jax und das war gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanz am Anfang.","replies":[]},{"poster":"TerrorRaven","date":"2016-12-14T20:03:52.711+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":0,"body":"Ich finde, man sollte erst einmal abwarten. Zur Zeit hat sie eine 45% Win-Rate und die meisten Camille, die ich getroffen habe, haben reingefeedet ohne Ende.","replies":[{"poster":"Mi3zekatze","date":"2016-12-14T20:16:52.551+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":2,"body":"Also meine Camilles haben alle 1 vs 9 penta gemacht xD \nAber ja richtig: Abwarten und Tee trinken!","replies":[]}]},{"poster":"Alocas","date":"2016-12-14T21:03:05.486+0000","up_votes":1,"down_votes":1,"body":"Es ist noch zu früh um sie zu bewerten!\nDie camille die ich bis jetzt getroffen habe, waren auch eher schwach. Liegt wohl auch daran, dass die Leute wenig spielpraxis mit der haben. \n\nWas ich aber zu stark fand bzw geändert werden muss, dass die ult nach dem tot von camille abbricht und nicht noch bestehen bleibt.","replies":[]}]}
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{"paper": {"title": "Variational Bayesian Phylogenetic Inference", "authors": ["Cheng Zhang", "Frederick A. Matsen IV"], "authorids": ["zc.rabbit@gmail.com", "matsen@fredhutch.org"], "summary": "The first variational Bayes formulation of phylogenetic inference, a challenging inference problem over structures with intertwined discrete and continuous components", "abstract": "Bayesian phylogenetic inference is currently done via Markov chain Monte Carlo with simple mechanisms for proposing new states, which hinders exploration efficiency and often requires long runs to deliver accurate posterior estimates. In this paper we present an alternative approach: a variational framework for Bayesian phylogenetic analysis. We approximate the true posterior using an expressive graphical model for tree distributions, called a subsplit Bayesian network, together with appropriate branch length distributions. We train the variational approximation via stochastic gradient ascent and adopt multi-sample based gradient estimators for different latent variables separately to handle the composite latent space of phylogenetic models. We show that our structured variational approximations are flexible enough to provide comparable posterior estimation to MCMC, while requiring less computation due to a more efficient tree exploration mechanism enabled by variational inference. Moreover, the variational approximations can be readily used for further statistical analysis such as marginal likelihood estimation for model comparison via importance sampling. Experiments on both synthetic data and real data Bayesian phylogenetic inference problems demonstrate the effectiveness and efficiency of our methods.", "keywords": ["Bayesian phylogenetic inference", "Variational inference", "Subsplit Bayesian networks"]}, "meta": {"decision": "Accept (Poster)", "comment": "The reviewers lean to accept, and the authors clearly put a significant amount of time into their response. I will also lean to accept. However, the comments of reviewer 2 should be taken seriously, and addressed if possible, including an attempt to cut the paper length down."}, "review": {"r1x5JtLm0X": {"type": "rebuttal", "replyto": "SJVmjjR9FX", "comment": "We thank all reviewers for the constructive feedback. We have revised the paper, and have incorporated their suggestions with the following major changes:\n\n- We reorganized the SBN section and added more detailed discussion on SBN implementations and parameter sharing to better explain the subsplit Bayesian network framework.\n\n- We cut down the paper a bit, in particular in the stochastic gradient estimator section, and now the main text (not including the discussion) is within 9 pages.\n\n- We added more discussion on support estimation feasibility to the discussion section.\n\n- We clarified a bit the KL divergence used in our experiments, and explained why a low KL divergence is a really strong statement about the quality of the tree posterior approximation. We hope that this addresses the concerns of reviewer 3 about the approximation performance on tree topologies. \n\n- We added an additional qualitative summary (a consensus tree) of VBPI and MCMC to our experiments (Figure 5 in Appendix D). This tree shows that the MCMC-inferred and the VB-inferred consensus trees are identical. We hope that this addresses the concerns of reviewers 2 and 3 who were interested in more qualitative and scientifically-relevant posterior summaries.\n\n- We clarified a bit the marginal likelihood estimates presented in Table 1, more clearly describing why VBPI provides a substantial advantage for this task.\n\nWe hope our revision has adequately addressed the reviewers' questions and concerns, and look forward to reading any other additional comments.", "title": "Revision summary"}, "rylqTcJF67": {"type": "rebuttal", "replyto": "BkgUn-Vwpm", "comment": "4) \"In table 1, is the point that all methods are basically the same with different variance? This is not clear from the text. What about the variational bounds?\"\n\nYes, you are right. All methods provide estimates for the same marginal likelihood, and better approximation would lead to smaller variance. The phylogenetic model is well defined with fixed structure, in contrast to generative models (e.g., VAE) where the generative network is trainable. In the paper we do not report the variational bounds since we want to compare to the stepping-stone (SS) algorithm on marginal likelihood estimation. These lower bounds are definitely different and improve as more particles and more flexible approximations are adopted, which we list below (averaged over 1000 runs).\n\nIn our revision we look forward to clarifying this point.\n\n Variational Lower Bounds\n+---------+------------------+------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+\n\|\t \| VIMCO(10) \| VIMCO(20) \| VIMCO(10)+PSP \| VIMCO(20)+PSP \|\n+---------+------------------+------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+\n\| DS1 \| -7108.91 \| -7108.77 \| -7108.73 \| -7108.61 \|\n+---------+------------------+------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+\n\| DS2 \| -26367.91 \| -26367.82 \| -26367.89 \| -26367.83 \|\n+---------+------------------+------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+\n\| DS3 \| -33735.36 \| -33735.26 \| -33735.29 \| -33735.24 \|\n+---------+------------------+------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+\n\| DS4 \| -13330.49 \| -13330.32 \| -13330.37 \| -13330.22 \|\n+---------+------------------+------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+\n\| DS5 \| -8215.85 \| -8215.56 \| -8215.64 \| -8215.36 \|\n+---------+------------------+------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+\n\| DS6 \| -6725.69 \| -6725.42 \| -6725.48 \| -6725.19 \|\n+---------+------------------+------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+\n\| DS7 \| -37332.91 \| -37332.65 \| -37332.72 \| -37332.49 \|\n+---------+------------------+------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+\n\| DS8 \| -8655.02 \| -8652.55 \| -8651.76 \| -8651.53 \|\n+---------+------------------+------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+", "title": "Clarification on technical issues (Part 2/2)"}, "Bkl2HqJYTm": {"type": "rebuttal", "replyto": "BkgUn-Vwpm", "comment": "Thank you for your thoughtful review and valuable feedback. Below are the answers to your comments:\n\n1) \"The main advantage would seem to be a large speedup over MCMC-based methods (Figure 4), which could be of significant value to the phylogenetics community. This point would benefit from more discussion. How do the number of iterations (reported in Figures 3&4, which was done carefully) correspond to wallclock time? Can this new method scale to numbers of sites and sequences that were previously unfeasible?\"\n\nWe are glad that this reviewer appreciates the care with which we crafted the comparison in terms of number of likelihood evaluations. Our motivation in doing a comparison in terms of likelihood evaluations is because our current implementation is in Python, whereas while MrBayes is in C that has been optimized for many years. This is the first paper introducing the ideas and initial implementation of variational Bayes phylogenetic inference, and we think that this level of comparison is appropriate. We will soon begin developing a highly optimized implementation, for which we are planning a more applications-driven paper which will include a wallclock comparison.\n\nRegarding large data sets, given that the learned SBNs can provide guided exploration in tree space and variational approaches naturally incorporate stochastic gradients, we believe it is much easier for VBPI to scale to datasets with large numbers of sequences and sites. However, we have not tried out our initial Python implementation on especially big data sets.\n\n2) \"The main technical contribution is the use of SBNs as variational approximations over tree-space, but it is difficult to follow their implementation and parameter sharing without the explanation of the original paper.\"\n\nAs explained in point 2 to reviewer 3, this is mainly due to the page limit of the conference. We will definitely add more detailed explanation in our revision if there is room after trimming proposed by Reviewer 2.\n\n3) \"Additionally, the issue of estimating the support of the subsplit CPTs needs more discussion. As the authors acknowledge, complete parameterizations of these models scale in a combinatorial way with ?all possible parent-child subsplit pairs?, and they deal with this by shrinking the support up front with various heuristics. It seems that these support estimation approaches would be feasible when the data are strong but would become challenging to scale when the data are weak. Since VB is often concerned with the limited-data regime, more discussion of when support estimation is feasible and when it is difficult would clarify how widely applicable the method is.\"\n\nThis is indeed an important point. We agree that when the data are weak, the posterior on subsplit pairs could have a large support.\n\nHowever, the SBN approach actually has a strong natural advantage in the weak-data regime. When data is weak, the support of the posterior distribution on complete trees, as evaluated by classical MCMC approaches, is enormous. For example, if there is uncertainty in multiple different parts of the tree, the support on complete trees scales as the product of these local uncertainties.\n\nThe SBN parameterization alleviates this issue by factorizing the uncertainty into local structures. Thus, if the support of parent-child pairs is too large, then one should certainly not be trying to assign posterior support to each tree individually as in classical MCMC.\n\nRegarding heuristics for support estimation, we show in section 4.2 that bootstrap-based support estimation is effective even for diffuse posteriors across four data sets (DS5, DS6, DS7, DS8). See below for the numbers of unique trees in the standard MCMC run samples for all data sets (which is an indicator of the diffusivity of the posteriors).\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ndatasets \| DS1 DS2 DS3 DS4 DS5 DS6 DS7 DS8\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n# sample trees \| 1228 7 43 828 33752 35407 1125 3067\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nWe agree that a further discussion of the weak-data regime is important and we look forward to adding to the discussion in a revision.", "title": "Clarification on technical issues (Part 1/2)"}, "SkgNStowpX": {"type": "rebuttal", "replyto": "SJVmjjR9FX", "comment": "We thank the reviewers for their reviews and the time spent on the manuscript, and their encouragement on the novelty of our work. We want to emphasize that, in addition to using subsplit Bayesian networks for approximating phylogenetic tree posteriors, our structured parameterization of the branch length distributions is also novel which allows us to jointly learn the branch length distributions across tree topologies. In contrast, classical MCMC typically uses simple random perturbations which contributes to the low acceptance rate for large topological modifications.", "title": "A note to all reviewers"}, "rkeE3OswTX": {"type": "rebuttal", "replyto": "rke2eXKkTm", "comment": "We thank the reviewer for your review and time. We would like to incorporate the suggestions into our revision and think we would benefit from some clarifications on your part.\n\n1) \"The paper is 10 pages long, and I'm not convinced it needs to be. The reviewer guidelines (https://iclr.cc/Conferences/2019/Reviewer_Guidelines) say that \"the overall time to read a paper should be comparable to that of a typical 8-page conference paper. Reviewers may apply a higher reviewing standard to papers that substantially exceed this length.\" So I recommend trying to cut it down a bit during the revision phase.\"\n\nThe main reason we took 10 pages for the paper is that phylogenetic inference is probably not well known to the machine learning community and much space is devoted to putting the phylogenetic models and experiments in context. We have tried to balance between being short and being a little bit long (but more self-contained) and thought the latter would eventually save the reviewers' time. However, we would like to cut down our paper as suggested and would appreciate it very much if the reviewer can point to us which parts of the paper that you find are redundant and can be made more brief.\n\n2) \"The empirical comparisons are all likelihood/ELBO-based. These metrics are important, but it would be nice to see some kind of qualitative summary of the inferences made by different methods?two methods can produce similar log-likelihoods or KL divergences but suggest different scientific conclusions.\"\n\nFirst, we would like to make sure the reviewer is aware how the KL results show the SBN-based approximations to be very close in distribution on the discrete space of phylogenetic tree structures. We have emphasized in point 3 to reviewer 3, and realize that we should have been more clear on this point.\n\nHowever, we are happy to incorporate any qualitative summaries the reviewer would like to suggest. We could certainly add, for example, tree shape summaries, but such a comparison would be significantly weaker than the current comparison on tree structures.\n\n3) \"One final comment: it's not clear to me that ICLR is the most relevant venue for this work, which is purely about Bayesian inference rather than deep learning. This isn't a huge deal?certainly there's plenty of variational inference at ICLR these days?but I suspect many ICLR attendees may tune out when they realize there aren't any neural nets in the paper.\"\n\nWe think ICLR is an excellent venue for this work because: (i) Representation learning on discrete/structured objects has received increasing attention from the machine learning community, and our work represents an important advance in variational inference on complex structured models. (ii) Our variational framework admits many extensions that can incorporate the approximating power of neural networks (e.g, using normalizing flow and deep networks for more flexible within-tree and between-tree approximations, as mentioned in the discussion section of our paper).", "title": "Thanks for the suggestions and we need some clarifications on your part"}, "HklnmwjDaX": {"type": "rebuttal", "replyto": "SJeInxZA3m", "comment": "Thank you for your review and feedback. We address your specific questions and comments below:\n\n1) \"the computational expense is not given, or I've missed it, for the variational approach - presumably it is relatively small compared to MCMC?\"\n\nWe present the computational expense for the variational approach in terms of the number of likelihood evaluations, and compare to MCMC. We direct the reviewer to Figure 4 in section 4.2, where we show the KL divergence to the ground truth as a function of the number of iterations of different methods (including MCMC via MrBayes). For a fair comparison, the number of iterations for MCMC is mapped to the number of iterations of variational methods that take the same number of likelihood evaluations.\n\n2) \"My main criticism is that I found the details of subsplit Bayesian networks difficult to follow. Googling them suggests they are a relatively new model, which has not been well studied or used (there are no citations of the paper that introduces them for example!).\"\n\nSBNs are indeed a new model. The relatively short discussion of subsplit Bayesian networks (SBNs) is mainly due to the page limit of the conference, but we would like to present a more detailed discussion of SBNs if there is room in our revision. For a more detailed discussion, we refer the reviewer to the original paper [1] that introduced SBNs, which has been accepted to NIPS this year.\n\n3) \"The paper would be stronger if it discussed these in more detail - how close can they come to approximating the models usually used in phylogenetic analyses? Often the inferred phylogeny is itself of interest - how similar are the trees inferred here to those found from MrBayes?\"\n\nFirst, we would like to ensure that our means of evaluating the SBN approximation is clear. We compute KL divergence over the discrete collection of phylogenetic tree structures, from the SBN distribution to the ground truth distribution on phylogenetic tree models obtained from extremely long MCMC runs using MrBayes. In order to get a low KL divergence to this ground truth, it is not enough to have similar trees: one must find practically the same set of trees as MrBayes, with nearly identical probability weights.\n\nBased on the low KL divergence reported in [1] and our experiments, SBNs can indeed provide accurate approximations to the phylogenetic posteriors inferred from real data (see Table 1 in [1] and section 4.2 in our paper.). Therefore, we believe SBN-based phylogenetic inference represents an important advance in this field, especially on structural learning of phylogenies.\n\n\nReference\n[1] C. Zhang and FA. Matsen. Generalizing tree probability estimation via Bayesian networks. arXiv preprint arXiv:1805.07834, 2018", "title": "Computational expense and approximation performance compared to MrBayes were reported."}, "BkgUn-Vwpm": {"type": "review", "replyto": "SJVmjjR9FX", "review": "This paper explores an approximate inference solution to the challenging problem of Bayesian inference of phylogenetic trees. Its leverages recently proposed subsplit Bayesian networks (SBNs) as a variational approximation over tree space and combines this with modern gradient estimators for VI. It is thorough in its evaluation of both methodological considerations and different datasets.\n\nThe main advantage would seem to be a large speedup over MCMC-based methods (Figure 4), which could be of significant value to the phylogenetics community. This point would benefit from more discussion. How do the number of iterations (reported in Figures 3&4, which was done carefully) correspond to wallclock time? Can this new method scale to numbers of sites and sequences that were previously unfeasible?\n\nThe main technical contribution is the use of SBNs as variational approximations over tree-space, but it is difficult to follow their implementation and parameter sharing without the explanation of the original paper. Additionally, the issue of estimating the support of the subsplit CPTs needs more discussion. As the authors acknowledge, complete parameterizations of these models scale in a combinatorial way with \u201call possible parent-child subsplit pairs\u201d, and they deal with this by shrinking the support up front with various heuristics. It seems that these support estimation approaches would be feasible when the data are strong but would become challenging to scale when the data are weak. Since VB is often concerned with the limited-data regime, more discussion of when support estimation is feasible and when it is difficult would clarify how widely applicable the method is.\n\nOverall, this work is an interesting extension of variational Bayes to a tree-structured inference problem and is thorough in its evaluation. While it is a bit focused on classical inference for ICLR, it could be interesting both for the VI community and as a significant application advancement.\n\nOther notes:\nIn table 1, is the point that all methods are basically the same with different variance? This is not clear from the text. What about the variational bounds?\n", "title": "New approximate inference approaches for phylogenetic trees", "rating": "6: Marginally above acceptance threshold", "confidence": "3: The reviewer is fairly confident that the evaluation is correct"}, "rke2eXKkTm": {"type": "review", "replyto": "SJVmjjR9FX", "review": "This paper proposes a variational approach to Bayesian posterior inference in phylogenetic trees. The novel part of the approach (using subsplit Bayesian networks as a variational distribution) is intelligently combined with recent ideas from the approximate-inference literature (reweighted wake-sleep, VIMCO, reparameterization gradients, and multiple-sample ELBO estimators) to yield what seems to be an effective approach to a very hard inference problem.\n\nMy score would be higher were it not for two issues:\n* The paper is 10 pages long, and I'm not convinced it needs to be. The reviewer guidelines (https://iclr.cc/Conferences/2019/Reviewer_Guidelines) say that \"the overall time to read a paper should be comparable to that of a typical 8-page conference paper. Reviewers may apply a higher reviewing standard to papers that substantially exceed this length.\" So I recommend trying to cut it down a bit during the revision phase.\n* The empirical comparisons are all likelihood/ELBO-based. These metrics are important, but it would be nice to see some kind of qualitative summary of the inferences made by different methods\u2014two methods can produce similar log-likelihoods or KL divergences but suggest different scientific conclusions.\n\nOne final comment: it's not clear to me that ICLR is the most relevant venue for this work, which is purely about Bayesian inference rather than deep learning. This isn't a huge deal\u2014certainly there's plenty of variational inference at ICLR these days\u2014but I suspect many ICLR attendees may tune out when they realize there aren't any neural nets in the paper.", "title": "A nice approach to inferring phylogenetic trees", "rating": "5: Marginally below acceptance threshold", "confidence": "3: The reviewer is fairly confident that the evaluation is correct"}, "SJeInxZA3m": {"type": "review", "replyto": "SJVmjjR9FX", "review": "This paper is well written, appears to be well executed, and the results look good. I am not particularly well informed about the area, but the work appears to be novel. MCMC for phylogenetic inference is hugely expensive, and anything we can do to reduce that cost would be beneficial (the computational expense is not given, or I've missed it, for the variational approach - presumably it is relatively small compared to MCMC?).\n\nMy main criticism is that I found the details of subsplit Bayesian networks difficult to follow. Googling them suggests they are a relatively new model, which has not been well studied or used (there are no citations of the paper that introduces them for example!). The paper would be stronger if it discussed these in more detail - how close can they come to approximating the models usually used in phylogenetic analyses? Often the inferred phylogeny is itself of interest - how similar are the trees inferred here to those found from MrBayes?", "title": "A novel well executed paper", "rating": "7: Good paper, accept", "confidence": "1: The reviewer's evaluation is an educated guess"}}}
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{"title": "INDIAN UNION MINISTER DECLARES IN KARNATAKA THAT BUDDHISM IS FOR CASTLESS SOCIETY", "content": ["Onlanka News \u2013 By Walter Jayawardhana The Hindu newspaper quoted the Indian Union Minister for Labour and Employment M. Mallikarjun Kharge of having said \u00a0that Buddhism was the one religion whose foundation was laid firmly on the philosophy of equality, casteless society and the principle of non-violence\u2026. "], "link": "https://www.onlanka.com/news/indian-union-minister-declares-in-karnataka-that-buddhism-is-for-castless-society.html", "date_published": "May 9, 2012", "category": "Foreign News"}

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