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re final solution for gaza in article igc apc org center for policy research cpr igc apc org writes final solution for the gaza ghetto while israeli jews fete the uprising of the warsaw ghetto they repress by violent means the uprising of the gaza ghetto and attempt to starve the gazans elias should the families of the...
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zionism the following flyer was distributed at aipac s th annual policy conference because when we re not in israel we re told to go back where we came from and when we come back to israel we re told to go back to where we came from and when we re vocal we have too much influence and when we are quiet we can afford to ...
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method employed by the armenians in genocide of the muslim people source men are like that by leonard ramsden hartill the bobbs merrill company indianapolis pages memoirs of an armenian officer who participated in the genocide of million muslim people p first paragraph in this movement we took with us three thousand tu...
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the scenario and genocide staged by the armenians years ago the scenario and genocide staged by the armenians years ago in x soviet armenia is being reenacted again this time in azerbaijan the stories of survivors of karabag massacre are in milliyet today year old hatin nine telling my twin grandchildren were cut to pi...
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it was an encore performance staged by the armenians during wwi in while the jews were being assembled for their doom in the nazi concentration camps the nazi armenians in germany formed the first armenian battalion to fight alongside the nazis in this battalion had grown into eight battalions of strong under the comma...
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let the turks speak for themselves in article apr cs yale edu karage scus ctstateu edu angelos karageorgiou writes if turks in greece were so badly mistreated how come they elected two m not one but two representatives in the greek government pardon me greece government rail roads two turkish ethnic deputies while worl...
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role of sdpa org in slaughter of gunduz ariyak arikan benler in article apr urartu sdpa org hla urartu sdpa org writes sure it is it tells us how far right the whole turkish political spectrum nobody ever exposed your crimes like that before what was your personal role in the murder of orhan gunduz and kemal arikan aga...
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re was go hezbollah in article apr ncsu edu hernlem chess ncsu edu brad hernlem writes in article bce news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock writes in article apr yuma acns colostate edu bh lance colostate edu writes tim you are ignoring the fact that the palestinians in lebanon have been disarmed hezb...
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re kol israel broacasts in article apr jarvis csri toronto edu gfeygin unicorn eecg toronto edu gennady feygin writes does anyone have a schedule of kol israel broadcasts in different languages that could be posted or e mailed to me your assistance would be greatly appreciated gf try thr rec radio shortwave newsgroup
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forged posting forged posting forged posting the following posting was forged in my name please ignore such postings forged newsgroups soc culture turkish talk politics mideast talk politics forged soviet soc culture greek forged from dbd urartu sdpa org david davidian forged news software vax vms vnews forged organiza...
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re hamza salah the humanist dzk cs brown edu danny keren writes he he the great humanist speaks one has to read mr salah s posters in which he decribes jews as sons of pigs and monkeys keeps promising the final battle between muslims and jews in which the stons and the trees will cry for the muslims to come and kill th...
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re israeli terrorism i think the israeli press might be a tad bit biased in reporting the events i doubt the propaganda machine of goering reported accurately on what was happening in germany it is interesting that you are basing the truth on israeli propaganda
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re binyamin netanyahu on cnn tonight in article apr ncrcae columbiasc ncr com nabil ncrcol columbiasc ncr com nabil idriss writes arab leaders don t have to cheat they are actually allowed to have four wives are you implying above that arab leaders are gays aren t there jewish gays too arab leaders are now following by...
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re israeli terrorism ab z virginia edu andi beyer writes i think the israeli press might be a tad bit biased in reporting the events i doubt the propaganda machine of goering reported accurately on what was happening in germany it is interesting that you are basing the truth on israeli propaganda if you consider israel...
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re israeli terrorism in article apr virginia edu ab z virginia edu andi beyer writes i think the israeli press might be a tad bit biased in reporting the events i doubt the propaganda machine of goering reported accurately on what was happening in germany it is interesting that you are basing the truth on israeli propa...
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after all armenians exterminated million muslim people there in article c y o a news cso uiuc edu hovig uxa cso uiuc edu hovig heghinian writes article i have no partisan interests i would just like to know what conversations between terpetrosyan and demirel sound like very simple x soviet armenian government must pay ...
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after all armenians exterminated million muslim people there in article c y o a news cso uiuc edu hovig uxa cso uiuc edu hovig heghinian writes article i have no partisan interests i would just like to know what conversations between terpetrosyan and demirel sound like very simple x soviet armenian government must pay ...
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re armenians will not get away with the genocide of azeri people in article c yxle ov cbfsb cb att com enis cbnewsg cb att com enis surensoy writes from article zuma uucp by sera zuma uucp serdar argic armenians will not get away with the genocide of azeri people on the contrary armenians will get away with the genocid...
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though his book was dealing with the genocide of muslims by armenians in article c y j hs blaze cs jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu ken arromdee writes then repeat everything i said before with the word race related substituted for racist all that changes is the phrasing complaining that i used the wrong word is ...
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armenians exterminated million muslim people denying the obvious in article apr oucsace cs ohiou edu gassan ouvaxa cats ohiou edu writes after having read this group for some time i am appalled at its lack of scholarship its fuzzy thinking reliance on obsessed and obnoxious posters well these are armenian and jewish sc...
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destroying ethnic identity turks of greece macedonians in article c yc k f news cso uiuc edu ptg uxa cso uiuc edu panos tamamidis writes sure your memory is weak let me refresh your memory if that s not to late first of all it is called istanbul let me even spell it for you i s t a n b u l when my grandfather came in g...
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danny rubenstein talk danny rubenstein an israeli journalist will be speaking tonight wednesday pm on the messy subject of politics in israel he is speaking at hillel on the u c berkeley campus the talk is sponsored by the berkeley israel action committee iac adam schwartz adams robotics berkeley edu
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danny rubenstein speaking tonight danny rubenstein an israeli journalist will be speaking tonight wednesday pm on the messy subject of politics in israel he is speaking at hillel on the u c berkeley campus adam schwartz adams robotics berkeley edu
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go hizbollah ii from israel line thursday april today s ha aretz reports that three women were injured when a katyusha rocket fell in the center of their community the rocket was one of several dozen fired at the communities of the galilee in northern israel yesterday by the terrorist hizbullah organization in article ...
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re the u s holocaust memorial museum a costly and dangerous mistake dgannon techbook techbook com dan gannon writes the u s holocaust memorial museum a costly and dangerous mistake by theodore j o keefe holocaust revisionism theodore j o keefe is an editor with the institute for historical review educated at harvard un...
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re hamza salah the humanist are you people sure his posts are being forwarded to his system operator who is forwarding them is there a similar file being kept on mr omran salam john absood marlow ceased and sat apart indistinct and silent in the pose of a meditating buddha nobody moved for a time the offing was barred ...
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to be exact million readers enlightened by serdar argic in article zuma uucp sera zuma uucp serdar argic writes a k a serdar argic the merciful and compassionate serdar argic s bountiful divine all knowing and footnoted wisdom is regrettably omitted for this solemn tribute where can i join the serdar argic fan club do ...
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re israeli terrorism in a previous article tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock says in article apr virginia edu ab z virginia edu andi beyer writes i think the israeli press might be a tad bit biased in reporting the events i doubt the propaganda machine of goering reported accurately on what was happening in germany it...
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re israel s expansion ii ab z virginia edu andi beyer writes i understand how israel captured the teritory and feels that it is its right to annex it i can t fully understand why it has to deal with palestinians much the same way jews were treated before the holocaust the final solution by hitler what i totally don t g...
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re hamza salah the humanist dzk cs brown edu danny keren writes cl cleveland freenet edu hamaza h salah writes well said mr beyer he he the great humanist speaks one has to read mr salah s posters in which he decribes jews as sons of pigs and monkeys keeps promising the final battle between muslims and jews in which th...
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re zionism is racism d c sessions dcs witsend tnet com writes so steve lets here what is zionism assuming that you mean hear you weren t listening he just told you zionism is racism this is a tautological statement i think you are confusing tautological with false and misleading alan h stein astein israel nysernet org
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re israeli terrorism cl cleveland freenet edu hamaza h salah writes would you tell me which arab country is prohipiting the jews from migrating to palestine the last arab country was syria but not all of them migrated due to the jewish state economical and securital dilemma as usual when salah is not totally racist she...
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re israeli terrorism would it be asking too much for you to document these allegations of israel used to arrest and kill neutral reporters i think you confuse israel with other nations of that geographical region to which the notion of a free unmonitored by the government press corps would be a joke as for the notion t...
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re israeli terrorism in article rd eo a usenet ins cwru edu cy cleveland freenet edu anas omran writes in a previous article tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock says in article apr virginia edu ab z virginia edu andi beyer writes i think the israeli press might be a tad bit biased in reporting the events i doubt the pro...
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re israeli terrorism cy cleveland freenet edu anas omran writes the israelis used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters eh could you please give me details about an event where a neutral observer was killed by purpose by an israeli soldier amos amos shapira jumper extraordinaire it is true tha...
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re israel s expansion ii what gives isreal the right to keep jeruseleum it is the home of the muslim a s well as jewish religion among others heck nobody ever mentions what yitza k shamir did forty or fifty years ago which is terrorize westerners much in the way abdul nidal does today seems isrealis are nowhere above a...
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re the u s holocaust memorial museum a costly and dangerous mistake in article r n d m techbook techbook com dgannon techbook techbook com dan gannon writes the u s holocaust memorial museum a costly and dangerous mistake by theodore j o keefe hard by the washington monument within clear view of the jefferson memorial ...
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re final solution in palestine in article hm apr angell cs brown edu hm cs brown edu harry mamaysky writes in article igc apc org center for policy research cpr igc apc org writes final solution for the gaza ghetto while israeli jews fete the uprising of the warsaw ghetto they repress by violent means the uprising of t...
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re israeli terrorism in article amoss apr shuldig cs huji ac il amoss shuldig cs huji ac il amos shapira writes cy cleveland freenet edu anas omran writes the israelis used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters eh could you please give me details about an event where a neutral observer was kil...
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re israel s expansion ii bc cleveland freenet edu writes the comparison of the palestinian situation with the holocaust is insulting and completely false any person making such a rude and false comparison is either ignorant of the holocaust or also ignorant of the situation in the mideast or is an anti semite to compar...
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re israeli terrorism tclock orion oac uci edu writes since one is also unlikely to get the truth from either arab or palestinian news outlets where do we go to understand to learn is one form of propoganda more reliable than another the only way to determine that is to try and get beyond the writer s political agenda w...
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freedom in u s a i have just started reading the articles in this news group there seems to be an attempt by some members to quiet other members with scare tactics i believe one posting said that all postings by one person are being forwarded to his server who keeps a file on him in hope that appropriate action might b...
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re conventional proposales israel palestinians in article bce news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock writes in article bca dc news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock writes the latest israeli proposal first proposed in february of contains the following assumptions concerning the nature...
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re investment in yehuda and shomron aryans who do not base their reasoning on nazi ideology are racists thus spoke an american citizen in the name of judaism if this is judaism i think judaism should be combatted as any extremist and dangerous philosophy i suspect however that martin buber albert einstein and other jew...
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re american jewish congress open letter to clinton in article apr vxcrna cern ch casper vxcrna cern ch casper davi ppe writes i must say i was appalled by the american jewish council s open letter america is not the world s policeman we cannot and should not take it upon ourselves to solve the problems of the entire wo...
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re american jewish congress open letter to clinton in article apr vxcrna cern ch casper vxcrna cern ch casper davi ppe writes are you aware that there is an arms embargo on all of what is was yugoslavia including bosnia which guarantees massive military superiority of serbian forces and does not allow the bosnians to t...
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re american jewish congress open letter to clinton in article c vbnv cj blaze cs jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu ken arromdee writes in article apr vxcrna cern ch casper vxcrna cern ch casper davi ppe writes i complained about the us taking the point in bosnia when the europeans should be doing it ken says the b...
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re american jewish congress open letter to clinton in article c vbtk f blaze cs jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu ken arromdee writes in article apr vxcrna cern ch casper vxcrna cern ch casper davi ppe writes are you aware that there is an arms embargo on all of what is was yugoslavia including bosnia which guaran...
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re killer in article apr doug cae wisc edu yamen cae wisc edu soner yamen responded to article r kr m q nic umass edu burak ucsvax ucs umass edu afs who wrote afs just a quick comment afs afs armenians killed turks turks killed armenians afs afs simple as that can anybody deny these facts jews killed germans in wwii ge...
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re israel s expansion ii in article pp a auvm american edu paul h pimentel pp a auvm american edu writes what gives isreal the right to keep jeruseleum it is the home of the muslim a s well as jewish religion among others heck nobody ever mentions what yitza k shamir did forty orfifty yearsago which is terrorize wester...
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re israel s expansion in article apr vm mcgill ca b ha b ha musicb mcgill ca writes just a couple of questions for the pro israeli lobby out there is israel s occupation of southern lebanon temporary for mr stein i am working on a proof for you that israel is diverting water to the jordan river away from lebanese terri...
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re the u s holocaust memorial museum a costly and dangerous mistake in article c ut s xa bony bony com jake bony bony com jake livni writes in article r n d m techbook techbook com dan gannon writes dg the u s holocaust memorial museum a costly and dangerous mistake dg by theodore j o keefe dg hard by the washington mo...
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dear mr ajami i have read just today two articles dripping of hate and offence to a great deal of people i could find as much matching hatred in your articles as i have found in some of the self righteous kill in the name of god people i don t know why you are so attcaking to everyone is it a reaction to the hatred cal...
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re freedom in u s a in article apr virginia edu ab z virginia edu andi beyer writes i have just started reading the articles in this news group there seems to be an attempt by some members to quiet other members with scare tactics i believe one posting said that all postings by one person are being forwarded to his ser...
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re freedom in u s a dear mr beyer it is never wise to confuse freedom of speech with freedom of racism and violent deragatory it is unfortunate that many fail to understand this crucial distinction indeed i find the latter in absolute and complete contradiction to the former racial invective tends to create an atmosphe...
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re binyamin netanyahu on cnn tonight in article c j qz mne world std com mkaye world std com martin kaye writes great interview with benjamin netanyahu on cnn larry king live this guy is knows what he is talking about he is truely charismatic articulate intelligent and demonstrates real leadership qualities i agree but...
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re legality of the jewish purchase was re israeli expansion lust in article apr bnr ca zbib bnr ca writes adam shostack writes sam zbib writes i m surprised that you don t consider the acquisition of land by the jews from arabs for the purpose of establishing an exclusive state as a hostile action leading to war it was...
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argic hey serdar man without a brain yare such a loser proline cosmo pro angmar internet cosmo pro angmar alfalfa com uucp uunet bu edu alphalpha pro angmar cosmo
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serdar what are you retarded proline cosmo pro angmar internet cosmo pro angmar alfalfa com uucp uunet bu edu alphalpha pro angmar cosmo
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serdar you are quite the loser proline cosmo pro angmar internet cosmo pro angmar alfalfa com uucp uunet bu edu alphalpha pro angmar cosmo
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argic you definetly are in need of a shrink loser proline cosmo pro angmar internet cosmo pro angmar alfalfa com uucp uunet bu edu alphalpha pro angmar cosmo
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serdar go back to nursery school jerk proline cosmo pro angmar internet cosmo pro angmar alfalfa com uucp uunet bu edu alphalpha pro angmar cosmo
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serdar what are you stupid proline cosmo pro angmar internet cosmo pro angmar alfalfa com uucp uunet bu edu alphalpha pro angmar cosmo
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argic you are brain damaged that hate of b fatransfer cancelledf yours courses through your sick body like poison it s just a matter of time your fate is sealed proline cosmo pro angmar internet cosmo pro angmar alfalfa com uucp uunet bu edu alphalpha pro angmar cosmo
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re israel s expansion ii ab z virginia edu andi beyer writes first of all i never said the holocaust i said before the holocaust i m not ignorant of the holocaust and know more about nazi germany than most people maybe including you uh oh the first sign of an argument without merit the stating of one s qualifications i...
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re remember those names come election time in article c ztet dwz cs cmu edu anwar cs cmu edu anwar mohammed writes in article c u qi mz apollo hp com nelson p apollo hp com peter nelson writes btw with bosnia s large moslem population why have nations like turkey saudi arabia syria egypt and others with either money or...
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re freedom in u s a in article apr virginia edu ab z virginia edu andi beyer writes i don t know where you guys are from but in america such attempts to curtail someones first amendment rights are not appreciated here we let everyone speak their mind regardless of how we feel about it take your fascistic repressive ide...
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re freedom in u s a mr freeman please find something more constructive to do with your time rather than engaging in fantasy not that i have a particular affinty to arafat or anything john marlow ceased and sat apart indistinct and silent in the pose of a meditating buddha nobody moved for a time the offing was barred b...
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re remember those names come election time in article c ztk dyi cs cmu edu anwar cs cmu edu anwar mohammed writes i said in article c u qi mz apollo hp com nelson p apollo hp com peter nelson writes besides there s no case that can be made for us military involvement there that doesn t apply equally well to say liberia...
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re israel s expansion ii waldo cybernet cse fau edu writes ab z virginia edu andi beyer writes first of all i never said the holocaust i said before the holocaust i m not ignorant of the holocaust and know more about nazi germany than most people maybe including you uh oh the first sign of an argument without merit the...
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re freedom in u s a jaa cunixa cc columbia edu writes dear mr beyer it is never wise to confuse freedom of speech with freedom of racism and violent deragatory it is unfortunate that many fail to understand this crucial distinction in fact if a speach was not offensive to some its protection under freedom of speach law...
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re israel s expansion ii from article pp a auvm american edu by paul h pimentel pp a auvm american edu what gives isreal the right to keep jeruseleum it is the home of the muslim a s well as jewish religion among others heck nobody ever mentions what yitza k shamir did forty or fifty years ago which is terrorize wester...
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gaza and separation from israel from center for policy research cpr subject gaza and separation from israel gaza and the idea of separation the israeli left s inability to cope with the challenges it is presented with by reality becomes obvious at those moments when the reality does not line up with the expectations of...
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conf mideast levant from center for policy research cpr subject conf mideast levant rights of children violated by the state of israel selected articles of the iv geneva convention of article no physical or moral coercion shall be exercised against protected persons in particular to obtain information from them or from...
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assistance to palest people from center for policy research cpr subject assistance to palest people u n general assembly resolution of december assistance to the palestinian people the general assembly recalling its resolution of december taking into account the intifadah of the palestinian people in the occupied pales...
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h r violations by israel arab st many of you ask me whether i approve of severe human rights violations by arab states becuse i focus on israeli human rights violations let s make things clear my opposition to h r violations in arab states is total and without qualification no arab state is and can claim to be democrat...
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desertification of the negev from center for policy research cpr subject desertification of the negev the desertification of the arid negev by moise saltiel i p march i the negev bedouin before and after ii jewish agricultural settlement in the negev iii development of the negev s rural population iv economic situation...
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zionism racism from center for policy research cpr subject zionism racism diaspora a cancer by julian kossoff and lindsay schusman in jewish chronicle london dec leading israeli author and cultural commentator a b yehoshua launched a ferocious attack on diaspora jewry at a zionist youth council meeting in north london ...
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poem by erich fried from center for policy research cpr subject poem by erich fried poem by german jewish poet erich fried holocaust survivor ein jude an die zionistischen kaempfer von erich fried was wollt ihr eigentlich wollt ihr wirklich die uebertreffen die euch niedergetreten haben vor einem menschenalter in euer ...
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re the u s holocaust memorial museum a costly and dangerous mistake in article c ut s xa bony bony com jake bony bony com jake livni writes through private contributions on federal land your hate mongering article is devoid of current and historical fact intellectual content and social value down the toilet it goes and...
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re israeli terrorism in article rd eo a usenet ins cwru edu anas omran writes anas there are many neutral human rights organizations which always report anas on the situation in the o t but as most people used to see on tv the anas israelis do not allow them to go deep there in the o t the israelis anas used to arrest ...
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re desertification of the negev this is nonsense i lived in the negev for many years and i can say for sure that no beduins were moved or harmed in any way on the contrary their standard of living has climbed sharply many of them now live in rather nice permanent houses and own cars there are quite a few beduin student...
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accounts of anti armenian human right violations in azerbaijan accounts of anti armenian human right violations in azerbaijan prelude to current events in nagorno karabakh i saw a naked girl with her hair down they were dragging her she kept falling because they were pushing her and kicking her she fell down it was mud...
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absood to my fellow columbian i must ask why do you say that i engage in fantasies arafat is a terrorist who happens to have a lot of pull among palestinians can we ignore the two facts i doubt it peace roar lion roar and other niceties pete
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re freedom in u s a ab z virginia edu andi beyer writes i have just started reading the articles in this news group there seems to be an attempt by some members to quiet other members with scare tactics i believe one posting said that all postings by one person are being forwarded to his server who keeps a file on him ...
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re argic in article dj pro angmar alfalfa com cosmo pro angmar alfalfa com frank benson writes you definetly are in need of a shrink loser hey cheesedicks stop sending messages to a guy who s not going to read them and who cares anyway
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re the u s holocaust memorial museum a costly and dangerous mistake in article smith apr minerva harvard edu steven smith writes dgannon techbook techbook com dan gannon writes the u s holocaust memorial museum a costly and dangerous mistake by theodore j o keefe holocaust revisionism theodore j o keefe is an editor wi...
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re who should be spied on in article c vzdv mxw cs cmu edu anwar cs cmu edu anwar mohammed writes in article c sdck n news cso uiuc edu eshneken ux cso uiuc edu edward a shnekendorf writes anwar cs cmu edu anwar mohammed writes in article bimacs bitnet ehrlich bimacs bitnet gideon ehrlich writes the readers of this for...
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re israel s expansion ii in article pp a auvm american edu paul h pimentel pp a auvm american edu writes what gives isreal the right to keep jeruseleum it is the home of the muslim a s well as jewish religion among others heck nobody ever mentions what yitza k shamir did forty or fifty years ago which is terrorize west...
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hamza does it again hamza answers one of my articles to if indeed israeli soldiers killed a hamas mujahid with an anti tank to missile then i m almost sure that the terrorist zionists would not to have been able to cut up a body which was probably desintegrated by the to missile hamza maybe the missile didn t hit direc...
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re american jewish congress open letter to clinton in article apr vxcrna cern ch casper vxcrna cern ch casper davi ppe writes i said the fixation on bosnia is due to it being in a european country rather than the third world i recall before we did anything for somalia apparent left wingers saying that the reason everyo...
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re armenia says it could shoot down turkish planes in article apr kpc com henrik quayle kpc com writes esin terzioglu your ignorance is obvious from your posting esin terzioglu cyprus was an independent country with turkish greek inhabitants not a greek island like your ignorant posting claims esin terzioglu the name s...
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seventh century a d armenian math problems from quantum magazine march april pages the problem book of anania of shirak on the ancient peak of ararat the centuries have come like seconds and passed on avetik issahakian by yuri danilov some years ago journalists interviewing celebrities liked to ask them what books woul...
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re to be exact million readers enlightened by serdar argic andrew varvel writes serdar argic a k a serdar argic the merciful and compassionate writes serdar argic s bountiful divine all knowing and footnoted wisdom is regrettably omitted for this solemn tribute where can i join the serdar argic fan club do i get a t sh...
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re conventional proposales israel palestinians the latest israeli proposal first proposed in february of contains the following assumptions concerning the nature of any interim status refering to the wb and gaza the palestinians implemented by negotiations it states that israel will remain the existing source of author...
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re israel s expansion ii in article pp a auvm american edu paul h pimentel pp a auvm american edu writes what gives isreal the right to keep jeruseleum it is the home of the muslim a s well as jewish religion among others what gives the us the right to keep new york it is the home of the united nations as well as being...
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re the u s holocaust memorial museum a costly and dangerous mistake it s all my fault i am in violation of one of my own rules avoid followingup to a barf posting in article r pb nkk genesis mcs com arf genesis mcs com jack schmidling writes in article c ut s xa bony bony com jake bony bony com jake livni writes throug...
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israeli media was re israeli terrorism in article bd c d news service uci edu tclock orion oac uci edu tim clock writes in article apr virginia edu ab z virginia edu andi beyer writes i think the israeli press might be a tad bit biased in reporting the events i doubt the propaganda machine of goering reported accuratel...
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re lezgians astir in azerbaijan and daghestan in article hydra gatech edu gt a prism gatech edu gt a gt a kaan timucin wrote kt hello shit face david i see that you are still around i dont want to kt see your shitty writings posted here man i told you so close your eyes and walk away kt you are getting itchy as your fu...
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re seventh century a d armenian math problems problem my father told me the following story during the famous wars between the armenians and the persians prince zaurak kamsarakan performed extraordinary heroic deeds three times in a single month he attacked the persian troops the first time he struck down half of the p...