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re sabbath admissions of again in the normal protestant interpretation sunday is not a law and worshipping on another day is not a sin churches are free to decide on the day they will meet just as they are free to decide on the hour it would not be a sin to worship on some other day but if you belong to a church that w...
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re hell in article apr athos rutgers edu mcovingt aisun ai uga edu michael covington writes in a short poem god in his mercy made the fixed pains of hell c s lewis expresses an idea that i m sure was current among others but i haven t be able to find its source that even hell is an expression of mercy because god limit...
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re atheists and hell atterlep vela acs oakland edu writes hello i have seen two common threads running through postings by atheists on the newsgroup and i think that they can be used to explain each other unfortunately i don t have direct quotes handy atheists believe that when they die they die forever true to a point...
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catholic church poland hello i m writing a paper on the role of the catholic church in poland after can anyone tell me more about this or fill me in on recent books articles in english german or french most important for me is the role of the church concerning the abortion law religious education at schools birth contr...
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re proof of resurection in article apr geneva rutgers edu smayo world std com scott a mayo writes i think christianity goes down in flames if the resurrection is ever disproved didn t paul write that if the resurrection is not true we are the biggest fools of all however whether you believe in christ or not his teachin...
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daily verse let us not become weary in doing good for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up galatians
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re sex education joe kellett jkellett netcom com wrote bits deleted i am told that planned parenthood siecus style values free methods that teach contraceptive technology and advise kids how to make choices actually increase pregnancy rates i posted a long article on this a while back and will be happy to email a copy ...
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re certainty and arrogance in article apr geneva rutgers edu kilroy gboro rowan edu dr nancy s sweetie writes someone called rexlex has claimed that there is a way out of the loop but he did not bother to explain what it was preferring instead to paraphrase sartre ramble about wittgenstein and say that the conclusion o...
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re phone number of wycliffe translators uk i m concerned about a recent posting about wbt sil i thought they d pretty much been denounced as a right wing organization involved in ideological manipulation and cultural interference including vietnam and south america a commission from mexican academia denounced them in a...
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hell black sabbath in looking through my files this weekend i ran across some lyrics from various rock groups that have content here are two from black sabbath s master of reality i ll say this much for the music of the s and early s at least they asked questions of significance jethro tull is another to asked and wrot...
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re divine providence vs murphy s law in article apr athos rutgers edu rolfe junior dsu edu tim rolfe writes romans rsv we know that in everything god works for good with those who love him who are called according to his purpose murphy s law if anything can go wrong it will we are all quite familiar with the amplificat...
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re atheists and hell in article apr athos rutgers edu atterlep vela acs oakland edu cardinal ximenez writes i don t see what the problem is to christians hell is by definition eternal death exactly what atheists are expecting when they die there s no reason hell has to be especially awful to most people eternal death i...
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re intolerance eternal life etc i apologize if this article is slightly confusing and late the origonal draft didn t make it through the moderators quote screens so i did violence to it but if you remember the article i am responding to it should still make sence in article geneva rutgers edu jsledd ssdc sas upenn edu ...
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re sabbath admissions of in article apr athos rutgers edu pharvey quack kfu com paul harvey writes priority than the direct word of jesus in matt paul begins romans with if someone is weak in the faith do you count yourself as one who is weak in the faith do you count yourself as one who is weak in the faith you read j...
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re atheists and hell in apr athos rutgers edu atterlep vela acs oakland edu cardinal ximenez writes hello i have seen two common threads running through postings by atheists on the newsgroup and i think that they can be used to explain each other unfortunately i don t have direct quotes handy atheists believe that when...
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soc religion christian re the arrogance of christians in a previous message aa freenet carleton ca mark baker writes if i don t think my belief is right and everyone else s belief is wrong then i don t have a belief this is simply what belief means more stuff deleted this seems to be a pretty arogant definition of beli...
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re atheists and hell atterlep vela acs oakland edu cardinal ximenez writes atheists believe that when they die they die forever a god who would condemn those who fail to believe in him to eternal death is unfair i don t see what the problem is to christians hell is by definition eternal death exactly what atheists are ...
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latest on branch davidians most of you will have probably seen the news by the time you read this but the branch davidian compound is no more this morning about the feds punched holes in the compound walls by using a tank they then started using non lethal tear gas shortly after noon cult members were seen setting fire...
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re atheists and hell in article athos rutgers edu atterlep vela acs oakland edu cardinal ximenez writes i have seen two common threads running through postings by atheists on the newsgroup and i think that they can be used to explain each other unfortunately i don t have direct quotes handy atheists believe that when t...
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re accepting jeesus in your heart in article athos rutgers edu seanna bnr ca seanna s m watson writes in article apr athos rutgers edu johnsd rpi edu writes in article athos rutgers edu jayne mmalt guild org jayne kulikauskas writes this is why the most effective substance abuse recovery programs involve meeting people...
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refusing divine peace and alive prayer was re question about mary it s like refusing god s kingdom come in one of jesus revelation in this century same thing as in the old days people refuse to believe my messengers even when i was alive here on earth they refuse me what more when i am just talking through somebody els...
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re so far so good this may be a really dumb one but i ll ask it anyways christians know that they can never live up to the requirements of god right i may be wrong but that is my understanding but they still try to do it doesn t it seem like we are spending all of our lives trying to reach a goal we can never achieve i...
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re tuff to be a christian please realize that i am frequently getting in trouble for straying from orthodoxy but here is my opinion in article apr geneva rutgers edu mdbs ms uky edu no name writes moreover the buddha says that we are intrinsically good as against christ s we are all sinners i never thought of these two...
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re sabbath admissions of general question since the world was discovered to be round the definition of saturday is if not ambiguous at least arbitrary how would someone answer this also when the calendar was changed gregorian to julian was the day of the week changed or just the date once again this points to the arbit...
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re sspx schism in article apr geneva rutgers edu jhpb sarto budd lake nj us joseph h buehler writes descriptions of true and false obedience obedience is not solely a matter of compliance refusal the nature of the commands must also be taken into account it is not enough to consider someone s compliance or refusal and ...
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re losing your temper is not a christian trait in article apr athos rutgers edu ruthless panix com ruth ditucci writes one of the tell tale signs fruits that give non christians away is when their net replies are acrid angry and sarcastic we in the net village do have a laugh or two when professed born again christians...
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some questions from a new christian in a previous article bach udel edu steven r hoskins writes one of my questions i would like to ask is can anyone recommend a good reading list of theological works intended for a lay person i would recommend essential truthes of the christian faith by rc sproul it is copywrited from...
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re god shaped hole was re accepting jeesus in your heart several people were involved in trying to figure out who first used the phrase god shaped hole clh there is a god shaped vacuum in all of us or something to that effect is generally attributed to blaise pascal what i want to know is how can you have a god shaped ...
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interfaith weddings hello everyone last week i posted a similar question to alt wedding now i come in search of a deeper level answer my fiance is lutheran and i am catholic we plan on getting married in her church because she is living there now and i plan on moving there in a month or so i called my catholic priest t...
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re the arrogance of christians in article apr athos rutgers edu aa freenet carleton ca mark baker writes i am asking you to believe in things not visible i don t know if this is believeing blindly or not if you decide in advance that your reason will act only on the evidence of the five physical senses then you cut rea...
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re so far so good in article apr athos rutgers edu armstrng cs dal ca stan armstrong writes in article c z u jxo spss com luomat alleg edu writes this may be a really dumb one but i ll ask it anyways christians know that they can never live up to the requirements of god right i may be wrong but that is my understanding...
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library of congress to host dead sea scroll symposium april library of congress to host dead sea scroll symposium april to national and assignment desks daybook editor contact john sullivan or lucy suddreth both of the library of congress washington april a symposium on the dead sea scrolls will be held at the library ...
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re sabbath admissions of in article apr athos rutgers edu dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu darius lecointe writes you cannot show from scripture that the weekly sabbath is part of the ceremonial laws before you post a text in reply investigate its context first of all ceremonial law is an extrascriptural term it is sometim...
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re atheist s views on christianity was re accepting jeesus in your heart in article apr athos rutgers edu kempmp phoenix oulu fi petri pihko writes jason smith jasons atlastele com wrote the discussion begins why does the universe exist at all one of the laws of nature specifying cause and effect seems to dictate at le...
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re does just justifiable war exist some thoughts a on the non pacifist side killing to defend the innocent may be if anything more justifiable than killing in self defense i can turn my own other cheek but i have no right to turn someone else s it seems to me that if jesus had meant to teach pacifism he would have made...
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re divine providence vs murphy s law in article apr athos rutgers edu rolfe junior dsu edu tim rolfe writes romans rsv we know that in everything god works for good with those who love him who are called according to his purpose murphy s law if anything can go wrong it will we are all quite familiar with the amplificat...
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re being right about messiahs the following is my comment on an article by desiree bradley clh by the way from koresh s public statement it s not so clear to me that he is claiming to be christ koresh did originally claim to be the christ but then backed off and said he was a prophet the latest news at cdt from waco is...
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questioning authority chris mussack writes for all those people who insist i question authority why how about the holocaust the spanish inquisition jonestown just to name a few authorities sometimes tell people to do evil things people who just follow orders have tortured and killed others in very large numbers and pro...
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re christian parenting sorry for posting this but my e mail keeps bouncing maybe it will help others here anyway and therefore i pray others will read this it is actually a response from my aunt who has kids since i have none yet hi i am a sociology student and i am currently researching into young offenders i am looki...
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re phone number of wycliffe translators uk in article apr geneva rutgers edu mprc troi cc rochester edu m price writes i m concerned about a recent posting about wbt sil i thought they d pretty much been denounced as a right wing organization involved in ideological manipulation and cultural interference including viet...
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re question about virgin mary a faris trl oz au aziz faris writes helllo netters i was told the bible says that god took the body of the virgin mary as she was being carried for burial is this true if so were in the bible does it say that regards a faris i think you re talking about the assumption of the blessed virgin...
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re question about virgin mary in article may athos rutgers edu a faris trl oz au aziz faris writes i think you re talking about the assumption of the blessed virgin mary it says that the immaculate mother of god the ever virgin mary having completed the course of her earthly life was assumed body and soul into heavenly...
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re what was the immaculate conception biblical basis for the immaculate conception i will put enmity between you the serpent and the woman and between your seed and her seed she can also be read he shall crush your head and you shall bruise her or his heel genesis he who commits sin is of the devil john hail full of gr...
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re satanic tounges in article may geneva rutgers edu mmh dcs qmw ac uk matthew huntbach writes i have seen the claims but i don t know if there are any authenticated cases of people making prolonged speeches in real languages they don t know from my observations speaking in tongues in practice has nothing at all do wit...
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babylon book offer from time to time i have made reference to a book called the two babylons which is a book written by alexander hislop mid s about the babylonian mystery religion and its flight through history i was unable to put it down the first time i read it but others have found it dry it has numberable referenc...
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re march for jesus the only info i have is my area is not having a large march they are leaving it up to each congragation imo this means organizers found it too difficult to manage or no one feels the need to be involved i m not casting stones my involvement with the lord does not include the march this year maybe he ...
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re record burning rgolder hoh mbl edu robert golder writes the movie version of the last temptation of christ was so awful that practically no one would have seen it or been influenced by its message had not conservatives loudly protested its distribution they unwittingly created a larger market for the movie in many p...
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monophysites and mike walker mike walker if you are using the standard formula of fully god and fully human that i m not sure why you object to saying that jesus was human i think the usual analysis would be that sin is not part of the basic definition of humanity it s a consequence of the fall jesus is human but not a...
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daily verse the god of peace will soon crush satan under your feet the grace of our lord jesus be with you romans
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christ my advocate a poem my advocate i sinned and straightway posthaste satan flew before the presence of the most high god and made a railing accusation there he said this soul this thing of clay and sod has sinned tis true that he has named thy name but i demand his death for thou hast said the soul that sinneth it ...
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re homosexuality issues in christianity in article apr geneva rutgers edu fsspr acad alaska edu wrote this subject was beaten to death on bit listserv christia recently until madge stepped in and closed the topic it has been discussed since privately in e mail amongst their participants and i ve received some of it a f...
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re my original post was jesus black my my my i knew that i would receive a response to my post but not this extensive thank you to all who responded it at least showed that people were willing to think about it even though the general response was a return to the same old why should it matter question to those of you w...
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going permanent no mail well it s that time of year again here at iu graduation unfortunately this means that i am out of here more than likely for good i cannot say if i ll be in here under another username or not or even if i ll ever get back in here at all i am leaving this part of my ministry to another brother joh...
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re question about virgin mary in article may athos rutgers edu a faris trl oz au aziz faris says a faris posting deleted the moderator replies i think you re talking about the assumption of the blessed virgin mary it says that the immaculate mother of god the ever virgin mary having completed the course of her earthly ...
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major views of the trinity may d andrew byler writes to all dab i think i need to again post the athanasian creed whicc pretty well dab delinieates orthodox christian belief on the trinity and on the dab incarnation dab it s a pretty good statement of the beliefs eventually accpeted and the dab creed is in use by the c...
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re athiests and hell in article apr geneva rutgers edu rexlex fnal fnal gov writes in article apr geneva rutgers edu sun gerry palo uunet uu net gerry palo writes note that in this perhaps the oldest of the creeds there is no mention of the danger of hell for non believers likewise there is no mention of the salvation ...
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re the arrogance of christians in article may geneva rutgers edu you wrote the genius of science is that it discovered that enormous progress in knowledge could be made by isolating the study of physical interactions for the more general areas of study and proceeding not by logical argument but by experiment the scient...
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re question about virgin mary i think you re talking about the assumption of the blessed virgin mary it says that the immaculate mother of god the ever virgin mary having completed the course of her earthly life was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory this was defined by a papal statement in though it had certain...
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re what was the immaculate conception in article may athos rutgers edu todd nickel laurentian ca writes your roommate is correct the immaculate conception refers to the conception of mary in her mother s womb okay now that we ve defined the immaculate conception doctrine would it be possible for those more knowledgeabl...
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legal definition of religion it s my understanding that the u s supreme court has never given a legal definition of religion this despite the many cases involving religion that have come before the court can anyone verify or falsify this has any state or other government tried to give a legal definition of religion
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re what was the immaculate conception note i am cross posting actually emailing this to bit listserv catholic while main posting goes to soc religion christian quotations omitted this is in response to a question about the immaculate conception i explained it but left justification up to our catholic readers clh there ...
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re question about virgin mary in article athos rutgers edu revdak netcom com d andrew kille writes just an observation although the bodily assumption has no basis in the bible carl jung declared it to be one of the most important pronouncements of the church in recent years in that it implied the inclusion of the femin...
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re if there were no hell in article may athos rutgers edu shellgate llo uu psi com larry l overacker writes here s a question that some friends and i were debating last night q if you knew beyond all doubt that hell did not exist and that unbelievers simply remained dead would you remain a christian my contention is th...
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re if there were no hell in may athos rutgers edu shellgate llo uu psi com writes here s a question that some friends and i were debating last night q if you knew beyond all doubt that hell did not exist and that unbelievers simply remained dead would you remain a christian reasoning pertinent to believing xians delete...
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re the bible available in every language was re satanic tounges in article may athos rutgers edu koberg spot colorado edu allen koberg writes about tongues the concept of tongues as used at pentecost seems an outdated concept now with the bible available in nearly every language and missionaries who are out there in al...
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re deuterocanonicals esp sirach ddavis cass ma bull com dave davis writes ii the deuterocanonicals are not in the canon because they are not quoted by the nt authors that is not quite accurate otherwise we would have the book of enoch in the canon as dave noted one can say that the apocrypha are not quoted by christ da...
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re question about virgin mary d andrew kille writes just an observation although the bodily assumption has no basis in the bible carl jung declared it to be one of the most important pronouncements of the church in recent years in that it implied the inclusion of the feminine into the godhead which means he has absolut...
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re christianity and repeated lives in article may athos rutgers edu jek cu nih gov writes gerry palo writes there is nothing in christianity that precludes the idea of repeated lives on earth the apostle paul romans points out that god chose jacob rather than esau to be the ancestor of the covenant people and ultimatel...
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re the truth of the bible sodium asc slb com asc slb com michael a montgomery writes i believe that the god has preserved the bible perfectly in that it perfectly conveys all of the truth that he intended this he has done oh yea which version of the bible is the perfectly preserved one and why are there so many transla...
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re homosexuality issues in christianity on may gmt shellgate llo uu psi com larry l overacker said in article apr geneva rutgers edu fsspr acad alaska edu hardcore alaskan writes i hope that anyone who remembers seeing rev troy perry s performance at the march on washington will see for themselves just how inconceivabl...
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re satanic tounges in article may geneva rutgers edu marka hcx ssd csd harris com mark ashley writes i have a simple test i take several people who can speak only one language e g chinese russian german english then i let the gifted one start speaking in toungues the audience should understand the gifted one clearly in...
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re why do people become atheists undoubtedly people adopt atheism for many reasons but i suspect that a biggie is that the god they ve believed in is in j b phillips s words too small if a person s understanding of god is not allowed to grow and develop it will eventually become inadequate the grey haired gentleman on ...
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daily verse when he came near the place where the road goes down the mount of olives the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise god in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen luke
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re athiests and hell in article may geneva rutgers edu sun gerry palo uunet uu net gerry palo writes between adam and eve and golgotha the whole process of the fall of man occurred this involved a gradual dimming of consciousness of the spiritual world this was precisely my point from a theological bent those who lived...
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re monophysites and mike walker hello src readers again the misconception that copts among other oriental orthodox churches believe in monophysitism pops up again we had a discussion about it a while ago in article may geneva rutgers edu db n andrew cmu edu d andrew byler writes the proper term for what mike expresses ...
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re question about virgin mary ddavis cass ma bull com dave davis writes much deletion he is trying to explain the immaculate conception and the assumption of mary original sin is the only reason fallen humanity dies adam and eve would not have died had they not fallen if this is true than why in the genesis story is go...
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public private revelation formerly re question about virgin mary mark ashley s account of private revelation does not as some might think contradict my posting in which i said that the catholic church believes that public revelation on which catholic doctrine is based ended with the death of st john the last apostle in...
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re question from an agnostic on may gmt damon math okstate edu hastings damon tod said a christian friend of mine once reasoned that if we were never created then we could not exist therefore we were created and therefore there exists a creator is this statement considered to be a valid proof by many christians and fol...
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re satanic tounges pwhite empros com peter white relates a story about a person who gives a message in tongues which consists entirely of the words pu ka he was asked to refrain from doing that well brother puka controlled himself for a while but a few weeks later the church had invited a missionary in to speak at the ...
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re question about virgin mary as the moderator noted i think you mean the assumption catholics believe that the blessed virgin mary went to heaven body and soul at the end of her life this is unusual because the normal course of events is for your body to decay in the grave and stay that way until the resurrection of t...
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re seeking christian opinion all sorts subject re seeking christian opinion all sorts from rob steele rsteele adam ll mit edu date may gmt do you mean that your fellow christians tend to find you wacky maybe they re right you might be interested in franky schaeffer s books about what philistines american christians are...
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the nicene creed was re major views of the trinity michael bushnell writes the so called creed of athanasius however has always been a western creed and has always had the filioque the orthodox have said that they accept all that it says with the exception of the filioque but it is not in use which is exactly what i po...
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re the doctrine of original sin in article may geneva rutgers edu db n andrew cmu edu d andrew byler writes beyt bcg thor cf ac uk writes nothing unclean shall enter heaven rev therefore babies are born in such a state that should they die they are cuf off from god and put in hell oh that must explain matthew in that h...
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re serbian genocide work of god in article apr geneva rutgers edu revdak netcom com d andrew kille writes james sledd jsledd ssdc sas upenn edu wrote are the serbs doing the work of god hmm are you suggesting that god supports genocide perhaps the germans were punishing jews on god s behalf any god who works that way i...
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re why do people become atheists let me tell you my story i grew up catholic up until i was it wasn t an issue for me then i met a born again christian a very sweet person not proseletyzing sp not imposing i tried to get into being as christian as i could as i felt i should but the more i tried the more depressed i got...
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christians in the martial arts greetings and salutations i would like to get in touch with people who a consider themselves christians you define it and b are in the martial arts some topics for discussion your particular martial art your view of the relationship between christianity and your art your view of the relat...
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re good jewish arguments kwfinken pooh harpo uccs edu kevin w finkenbinder wrote scott born phys virginia edu wrote intro deleted jesus wasn t really descended from david as the messiah was supposed to have been joseph was but christians say that joseph wasn t related to jesus truthfully if you look at the geneology of...
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re atheists and hell imagine the worst depth of despair you ve ever encountered or the worst physical pain you ve ever experienced some people suffer such emotional physical and mental anguish in their lives that their deaths seem to be merciful but at least the pain does end in death what if you lived a hundred such l...
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re homosexuality issues in christianity in article may geneva rutgers edu loisc microsoft com lois christiansen writes in article apr geneva rutgers edu fsspr acad alaska edu wrote you might visit some congregations of christians who happen to be homosexuals that are spirit filled believers gifts of the spirit should n...
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re mormon temples mserv mozart cc iup edu mail server writes one thing i don t understand is why being sacred should make the temple rituals secret on of the attributes of being sacred in this case is that they should not be spoken of in a common manner or trampled under feet such as the lords name is today the ceremon...
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re what was the immaculate conception maxwell c muir writes just a quick question if mary was immaculately concieved so she could be a pure vessel does this mean that she was without sin and therefore the perfect meaning sinless female human being is this why she is held so highly in the catholic church despite it s ba...
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re when are two people married in god s e the only reason for the death penalty is revenge if you are going to try to refute a position try to refute the whole position or acknosledge that you are only speaking to small piece of the problem broad sweeping the only reason etc on as tough nut to crack as the death penalt...
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re serbian genocide work of god note i am not the original poster i am just answering because i think this is important in article may athos rutgers edu db n andrew cmu edu d andrew byler writes revdak netcom com writes evil result of human sinfulness rather than the will of god in a certain sense yes but in the sense ...
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re when are two people married in god s e in article athos rutgers edu johnson cua edu yusef al tariq writes who s law is it that a wedding has to happen in a church the only reqirement is that you and the bride agreee to marry each other how also can you say christian wedding when the proces of marriage is nt really d...
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mormon temples mserv mozart cc iup edu mail server writes one thing i don t understand is why being sacred should make the temple rituals secret the so sacred it s secret explanation is a bit misleading while there is a profound reverence for the temple endowment there is no injunction against discussing the ceremony i...
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re mormon temples mserv mozart cc iup edu mail server writes saw bcstec ca boeing com steve a ward writes dan kuhub cc ukans edu writes dan s question about mormon temple rituals deleted for brevity just thought i would interject this and i believe you dan when you say that you don t mean to offend for us lds temple go...
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re the doctrine of original sin nothing unclean shall enter heaven rev therefore babies are born in such a state that should they die they are cuf off from god and put in hell which is exactly the doctrine of st augustine and st thomas of coures having only original sins on thier souls they suffer the lightest punishme...
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re question about virgin mary two follow up s to mark s last posting as far as current investigations the church recently declared the crying statue and corresponding messages from mary at akita japan as approved i found this out about a month ago again in the proof department start with the appearances of mary at fati...
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re portland earthquake archau saturn wwc edu austin c archer writes i am interested in views about the non event of may seriously how can a christian discriminate between messages from god which are to be taken seriously and those which are spurious is there a useful heuristic which would help us avoid embracing messag...
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re the arrogance of christians news cbnewsk att com writes arrogance is arrogance it is not the result of religion it is the result of people knowing or firmly believing in an idea and one s desire to show others of one s rightness i assume that god decided to be judge for our sake as much as his own if we allow him wh...