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r0bbi3#0269: some interesting goals being scored today...
r0bbi3#0269: Moist :monkaOMEGA:
axelalex2#5793: Makes sense for moist to be clutch, 1. it's not easy to put pressure on water, 2. the players are the most moist when close to losing
r0bbi3#0269: Solary :PagChomp:
r0bbi3#0269: well they gotta be clutch now...
axelalex2#5793: EU again making no sense after all
axelalex2#5793: (except for the one team on the very top)
axelalex2#5793: Fennec Monkey M00n, ofc BDS is struggling
Rolv#1337: Tundra also struggling though, and they're tied in points
axelalex2#5793: what in the fuck is this bracket
Rolv#1337: and G1 and Aogiri 2 points behind
axelalex2#5793: Moist & Tundra 0-2, Solary & EG 2-0, Liquid throwing easy wins, otherwise with a dominant playstyle
axelalex2#5793: If EU is this inconsistent, why am i not playing RLCS?
r0bbi3#0269: everyone's trying their hardest to miss the major
r0bbi3#0269: showing a 0-2 match on main stream, rare |
r0bbi3#0269: they wanted to make use of that Kassio interview they had ready
r0bbi3#0269: did the overlay always have the capability to show multiple stat popups (i.e. shots, saves) at once? i feel like that's new
axelalex2#5793: currently it has the most Major inflictions
axelalex2#5793: on one player? i would think so
r0bbi3#0269: yeah one player
r0bbi3#0269: i know it was posted above but a quick direct link to these scenarios:
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C5j71K5i5_nH1skOn-ONPbq9CIluwxD_gBB-muVmUDI/edit#gid=930522980>
r0bbi3#0269: oh my Tundra :PagChomp:
r0bbi3#0269: looks like only Quadrant are in a major-clinching series right now
Carrot#3900: I think it was always there
redd_rl#0001: omg im so happy
Carrot#3900: Cool
redd_rl#0001: another useless fuckign title in my collection https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1040686961435885659/image.png
Carrot#3900: Ssl yet?
redd_rl#0001: i am not ssl yet |
redd_rl#0001: i'm taking a break from this game right now
redd_rl#0001: lol
axelalex2#5793: crazy that the current #5 - #11 all can clinch with the regional win
r0bbi3#0269: maybe next time
axelalex2#5793: but even then, Quadrant are rather safe, so eliminating the lower teams from major contention makes more sense
r0bbi3#0269: noahsaki :EZ:
Rolv#1337: Pog announcement warning
axelalex2#5793: Rotterdam sold out?
Rolv#1337: https://tenor.com/view/himym-wait-for-it-barney-funny-gif-12243212
axelalex2#5793: MENA getting two spots?
r0bbi3#0269: yeah they're taking one away from fraud NA since it's ran by EU players anyway
Rolv#1337: I support that
axelalex2#5793: deserved, NA sucks KEKW
axelalex2#5793: i'll continue guessing
axelalex2#5793: a big esports org joining RL? |
axelalex2#5793: ingame RLCS viewer?
Rolv#1337: lol
Rolv#1337: Stop guessing cool stuff
axelalex2#5793: all attendees of Rotterdam get Alpha Boost?
axelalex2#5793: so it's not so cool?
r0bbi3#0269: we could have BDS-MST or BDS-TUN :monkaOMEGA:
Rolv#1337: Not *that* cool
axelalex2#5793: every car but Scarab banned from RLCS?
Rocket League #announcements#0000: Nike FC will arrive on the pitch on 11/17! We have a slew of soccer related content dropping in-game including the CR7 Pack and much more!
We also will have in-game challenges that unlock free content as well as the return of Fan Clash.
https://www.rocketleague.com/news/nike-fc-cup-brings-football-fans-together/
Rolv#1337: Neat
axelalex2#5793: meh
Rolv#1337: lmao |
Rolv#1337: Gottem
axelalex2#5793: but, *that* is cool https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1040692864310587392/image.png
axelalex2#5793: okay, that's also something i'll try https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1040693441581043722/image.png
axelalex2#5793: "we're coming in to win" - Aztral
axelalex2#5793: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1040693674918563990/image.png
axelalex2#5793: 🤔
r0bbi3#0269: BDS-TUN
axelalex2#5793: A major without either NRG or BDS just feels wrong, but we're about to lose both
Rolv#1337: sheeeesh
Rolv#1337: every major contender team is choking lol
axelalex2#5793: Moist - Quadrant
axelalex2#5793: bruhhhhh
r0bbi3#0269: oh wow i didn't even see that
r0bbi3#0269: brutal lowers
r0bbi3#0269: surely Quadrant are safe though even if they lose :Clueless: |
axelalex2#5793: i would assume so, ye
axelalex2#5793: i got another one
axelalex2#5793: BTS making a return
Rolv#1337: lol
axelalex2#5793: wanted to say, BDS offense looking good enough, BDS defense is trash today
axelalex2#5793: Solary again not gonna make it to Playoffs 🤣
axelalex2#5793: absolute mayhem
Rolv#1337: Quadrant and Tundra out
Rolv#1337: Tundra out of major contention
r0bbi3#0269: OXG clinched
Rolv#1337: Nice
Rolv#1337: Liquid - BDS 😮
Rolv#1337: If Liquid wins BDS are out of major
r0bbi3#0269: after LP baited by saying it was Liquid-Monkeys :LULW:
Rolv#1337: :MonkaS: |
r0bbi3#0269: you baited too :Jebaited:
Rolv#1337: huh?
r0bbi3#0269: Turtle's saying they can afford to lose but that's not what the spreadsheet says*
Rolv#1337: lol
Rolv#1337: winner gets 3 additional points
Rolv#1337: BDS in 5th place at 12 points, Liquid at 10 points coming into this event
Rolv#1337: So um
HoodedAthlete6#6541: I think winner gets 2 more points. 5-8th gets 6 points, 9-11th gets 4 points
Rolv#1337: Ohh I'm dumb
Rolv#1337: I was looking at top 8 to top 4
Rolv#1337: Right sure
Rolv#1337: They'd have to rely on tiebreaker lol
HoodedAthlete6#6541: Possible 3 way tie between g1, bds, and liquid
Rolv#1337: oh god
Rolv#1337: and 3-way tiebreaker format is kinda bad |
r0bbi3#0269: has Moist already clinched?
HoodedAthlete6#6541: No
r0bbi3#0269: how so
r0bbi3#0269: it looks like they've clinched to me based on the scenarios
r0bbi3#0269: wait i'm dumb
HoodedAthlete6#6541: If they lose now and then bds and g1 make finals I think they are tied with g1
Rolv#1337: welcome to the club
r0bbi3#0269: 👋
r0bbi3#0269: yeah i was reading the spreadsheet backwards kinda
Rolv#1337: They want it
r0bbi3#0269: they're hungry
Rolv#1337: BDS flailing
HoodedAthlete6#6541: I was just trusting liquipedia
Rolv#1337: oh god
axelalex2#5793: rip BDS |
Rolv#1337: yeeaah it's over
r0bbi3#0269: :forsenHead: "Liquid are a dark horse"
axelalex2#5793: MM needs to go Octane mode
Rolv#1337: Thanks Lief
r0bbi3#0269: yeah there we go
Rolv#1337: saving me
HoodedAthlete6#6541: Yeah I think the 3 way tie would end up being for 6th place not 5th
r0bbi3#0269: i bet on Liquid :EleGiggle:
Rolv#1337: oof
Rolv#1337: go next split
Rolv#1337: a break might be good tbf
Rolv#1337: Liquid looking comfortable
HoodedAthlete6#6541: They were freestyling earlier in the tourney https://twitter.com/coopuhr/status/1591103343367446528?s=46&t=GYHKopfs0zifsdyVi0eJhA
axelalex2#5793: what?
axelalex2#5793: a simple flip reset against 3 defenders? |
Rolv#1337: nah
r0bbi3#0269: they lost that series
HoodedAthlete6#6541: Yeah I know but it was a crazy shot
axelalex2#5793: also they were 5-0 up with just a few seconds left, you can afford some style
r0bbi3#0269: not done yet ✋:PauseChamp:
axelalex2#5793: this is done
r0bbi3#0269: ggs
axelalex2#5793: that will be a weird Major
axelalex2#5793: that's probably all because i'll be attending, and i won't see my favorite teams
Rolv#1337: Quadrant into major
Rolv#1337: RelatingWave is inevitable
r0bbi3#0269: he just can't stop making LANs
r0bbi3#0269: Solary :forsenDespair:
Rolv#1337: https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-19335672
r0bbi3#0269: nvm that was game 4 |
r0bbi3#0269: Muntz and Bass casting :FeelsStrongMan:
axelalex2#5793: "let's get the hype" - unmutes french
r0bbi3#0269: well the other stream is fishhr
r0bbi3#0269: :LULW:
r0bbi3#0269: :PagMan: WTF
r0bbi3#0269: nice
axelalex2#5793: those old fucks still got it :AxelChamp:
r0bbi3#0269: https://twitter.com/ShiftRLE/status/1591159932917002240
r0bbi3#0269: i didn't actually know this was the statline
Rolv#1337: lmao wtf
Rolv#1337: And he’s never done anything in any of them 🙊
Carrot#3900: also facts xd
Rolv#1337: Welp
Rolv#1337: Rip moist
Rolv#1337: Apparently |
axelalex2#5793: how so? only one of those at max is allowed to be false, and with the given bracket, where Liquid, Vitality and EG are on the same side, Moist is safe, if Williams Resolve gets into the Final, or G1 doesn't get into the Final. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1040771598979964950/image.png
Rolv#1337: I just saw Aztral's tweet
axelalex2#5793: to which a lot of replies say, that they still can make it
Rolv#1337: Imagine not just believing everything you read
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axelalex2#5793: it's a crazy concept, i know |
r0bbi3#0269: pretty sure Moist have clinched a tiebreaker
r0bbi3#0269: it's impossible for more than 1 team to cleanly overtake them, because they would need to win the event to do so
Rolv#1337: Still in their own hands
Rolv#1337: Nice
Rolv#1337: I doubt they’ll need it though
Rolv#1337: Why do they end with the most boring match?
Rocket League #esports-announcements#0000: :RLCS: **Rocket League Championship Series: 2022-23 Season - Fall: Europe Regional Event 3 - Day 2**
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Rolv#1337: I guess KC are fan favorites now that I think about it
axelalex2#5793: i think they go after seeding, #1 goes last
Rolv#1337: They've reordered before though?
axelalex2#5793: have they?
Rolv#1337: not sure about this season but I definitely feel like they've ordered by hype before
Rolv#1337: and #1 seed will generally be the most boring/one-sided match so it's weird to do that last
axelalex2#5793: i just checked, in EU & NA, they've always went the bracket bottom up, and with #1 seed at first position, #1 seed gets to play the last match
axelalex2#5793: rofl
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Rolv#1337: I swear pros have slower boost consumption
axelalex2#5793: nah, they just press the boost button harder
Rolv#1337: is it possible to learn this power?
axelalex2#5793: only possible, if your controller is made out of gold
Rolv#1337: damn
Rolv#1337: I just got a new controller actually
Rolv#1337: pink :pepeCool:
axelalex2#5793: because then it can withstand the forces
Rolv#1337: isn't gold really soft? |
axelalex2#5793: idk actually, it's heavy tho
axelalex2#5793: pink controller is cool, but you have a higher probability of pulling Athena flicks
axelalex2#5793: > It is a bright, slightly orange-yellow, dense, soft, malleable, and ductile metal in a pure form.
🤔
Rolv#1337: lmao this series is so bad
axelalex2#5793: Okay, i was a bit outdated on my knowledge. Gold controllers are what the OG Pros used, hence why there was no dynasty team for long, because of the extreme weight. Cloud9 and Dignitas probably the first two teams to use lighter controllers, which were still durable, which is why they were for much longer on top than any other teams before. BDS brought in Vibranium controllers, where part of the controller also injects itself into your body to enhance your performances.
Rolv#1337: So do these teams need to win regional to qualify?
axelalex2#5793: if they lose, they're out, but not necessarily in yet
axelalex2#5793: i think Vitality has to win it all, Liquid still can make it with a final loss
Rolv#1337: ggs
Rolv#1337: ruthless from liquid
Rolv#1337: KCP clinched major btw
axelalex2#5793: bad news for other teams, because Liquid is already farther up the rankings
axelalex2#5793: i hope, that the other series are similarily quick, so i can watch F1 afterwards :ninadoBless:
Rolv#1337: The top 2 most similar to me against each other :pepeThink: |
Rolv#1337: Actually all the EG players are near the top hmm
axelalex2#5793: minimal BO7 perfect sweep incoming
axelalex2#5793: k
axelalex2#5793: 7-time OT incoming
Rolv#1337: 0-0 as well hehe
axelalex2#5793: that aged very quickly
axelalex2#5793: and i thought, we are still on for a minimal scoring series, that's dead too
axelalex2#5793: zzzzzzz
axelalex2#5793: that has to be one of the most boring series i've ever seen
axelalex2#5793: and i've seen SetToDestroyX in S3 & Rogue in S6
axelalex2#5793: oh, finally something Pog
Rolv#1337: at least it got more interesting
axelalex2#5793: gg EG
axelalex2#5793: not even X-0 scorelines
Rolv#1337: :PauseChamp: |
r0bbi3#0269: so much hesitation
Rolv#1337: ggs
r0bbi3#0269: https://twitter.com/Azfura/status/1591490939528572929
r0bbi3#0269: Joreuz buying Azfura's shirts to stop him from cursing them :LULW:
axelalex2#5793: most important match of the day, here we go
Rolv#1337: Watch Oxg get rolled
axelalex2#5793: so far, everything has been going the worst way possible for Moist
Rolv#1337: new player map :pepeCool: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1041053600492818604/image.png
Konvertor#3146: The RLCS globe
axelalex2#5793: Open Net Esports
Rolv#1337: what can I say
axelalex2#5793: he knows
Konvertor#3146: I don't think a 3rd timeout is going to save them /s
axelalex2#5793: what a shot
Konvertor#3146: 😅 |
Konvertor#3146: back on script 😎
r0bbi3#0269: Moist fans: :tenseSmash:
axelalex2#5793: oh boi
Rolv#1337: Nice
axelalex2#5793: 3/3 matches going against Moist 😂
Konvertor#3146: :clappingsock: 🇪🇸
axelalex2#5793: that was the most important match, now we get to the most interesting one
Rolv#1337: :doubt:
Rolv#1337: https://twitter.com/LiquipediaRL/status/1591508317373095937
r0bbi3#0269: G1 have a lot of esports posters in the background, one of which has AztraL in it :LULW: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1041067914545074176/image.png
r0bbi3#0269: i believe in Solary...
Rolv#1337: lol
r0bbi3#0269: i believe in the reverse sweep...
r0bbi3#0269: alas
redd_rl#0001: dfghdfgsdghdshfdsfg |
Rolv#1337: They were doomed from the start
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axelalex2#5793: let's quickly draw up the worst way for Moist: Liquid & G1 in final -> Tiebreaker with either Liquid or G1, EG winning final over G1 -> Tiebreaker with G1
axelalex2#5793: in short, if KC wins, Moist is safe, they need to hope for support from their old teammate and the team they got destroyed the most by
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axelalex2#5793: i really wanna see Liquid & G1 win, to unlock maximum mayhem
Rolv#1337: They both looked good yesterday
Rolv#1337: I’d guess Liquid wins, but KC is probably too much for G1
axelalex2#5793: which would be very sad
r0bbi3#0269: i wish both these teams could make it :FeelsBadMan:
axelalex2#5793: which ones? Liquid & G1?
r0bbi3#0269: TL, EG, G1 :LULW:
axelalex2#5793: yeah, that's impossible
axelalex2#5793: but you said "both" so i was confused
r0bbi3#0269: i guess i'm not fully sold on Quadrant rn |
r0bbi3#0269: when i said both i meant TL and EG
axelalex2#5793: i'm not fully sold on Oxygen either
axelalex2#5793: thing is, there is no good performance to be expected from EG on LAN, their playstyle is just not working good enough to win tournaments
axelalex2#5793: BDS, Oxygen, Quadrant & Moist are all teams with big hot and cold swings
axelalex2#5793: Liquid and G1 imo are the most consistent with chances to get far on LAN, but GenG and KC are going to be too strong to win it all
Rolv#1337: Maybe unpopular opinion but I kinda dig the EG decals
axelalex2#5793: i don't at all
Rolv#1337: Not sure what it is
axelalex2#5793: but i also find White Zombas to be the most boring wheels
Rolv#1337: What are the scenarios now?
axelalex2#5793: Still depends all on G1
Rolv#1337: How so?
axelalex2#5793: If G1 loses, Moist and the winner of EG-Liquid are guaranteed to go to LAN
axelalex2#5793: now, if we assume Liquid wins (which very much looks like that), then if G1 wins, there is a guaranteed tiebreaker of the loser of the final against Moist for LAN, if G1 loses, Liquid has secured a spot for LAN, but still have at least a tiebreaker for seeding against Moist
r0bbi3#0269: ggs |
axelalex2#5793: Liquid secured themselves at least 2 shots at making it to LAN (that is if G1 wins)
axelalex2#5793: gogo G1 :lucker2Hype:
r0bbi3#0269: you don't like TL?
axelalex2#5793: i do like Liquid, but i want maximum mayhem on the quals, which would be, if G1 beats KC, and still keeps 3 teams in the running for 2 major spots
axelalex2#5793: winner of G1-TL would be 4th spot, loser would tiebreak with Moist for 5th spot
Rolv#1337: Tiebreaker is after finals right?
r0bbi3#0269: if there is one yeah
axelalex2#5793: btw, so far 4/4 matches went against Moist
r0bbi3#0269: i want G1 + TL
axelalex2#5793: same
Konvertor#3146: lol, oof
Konvertor#3146: uhhh
r0bbi3#0269: well
Rolv#1337: ggs
r0bbi3#0269: my typa shot |
Konvertor#3146: oh, it's going to be one of **those** games
r0bbi3#0269: lol
Rolv#1337: Looking like my games
Rolv#1337: Except for the skill
Rolv#1337: Damn G1 hungry
Rolv#1337: They won’t go down without a fight
Konvertor#3146: loooool
axelalex2#5793: we're still live
axelalex2#5793: rip
axelalex2#5793: 4/5 matches going against Moist
r0bbi3#0269: FaZe-Moist!
axelalex2#5793: not yet, Liquid might still go to a tiebreaker against Moist, if KC wins the final
r0bbi3#0269: there is no seeding tiebreaker
axelalex2#5793: boring
Rolv#1337: Unlucky |
Rolv#1337: Question now is if KC will finish with more points than Gen.G
axelalex2#5793: i hope for equal points between them for Liquid to get better seed
Rolv#1337: Correct
r0bbi3#0269: :LETSfrickingGO: :RLCS_TeamLiquid:
Rolv#1337: Niice
axelalex2#5793: the lower the match, the more interesting it is https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1041453507573723236/image.png
Rolv#1337: That is how seeding works yes
axelalex2#5793: i refuse to believe this completely logical statement
Carrot#3900: EU looks weak this season
axelalex2#5793: wdym? they're sending 2 teams more than NA
Rolv#1337: https://twitter.com/atomcoreRL/status/1591915674775195648
Rolv#1337: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1041484137095233596/SPOILER_image.png,https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1041484137451753492/SPOILER_image.png
r0bbi3#0269: why you postin' them in spoilers like they're the real thing
Rolv#1337: because they are :smug:
axelalex2#5793: no MENA and SAM in the playoffs? i doubt that bracket |
Rolv#1337: That's just how the cookie crumbles
Rolv#1337: both reverse swept as well lol
axelalex2#5793: also James Cheese not going 21-3 in the whole tournament?
Rolv#1337: Good point
Rolv#1337: better swap KC and James Cheese
Rolv#1337: honestly since covid LANs have been so stacked
Salah#9261: just saw thing project, i want to try out kld w/ just win/loss rewards. has anyone tried that?
redd_rl#0001: win loss for match?
redd_rl#0001: that would be a sparse reward
redd_rl#0001: and inachievable
Salah#9261: round win/loss since each round restarts
redd_rl#0001: Sparse reward
Salah#9261: i mean it should still preform, openai dota paper had exp on sparse rewards
Salah#9261: currently want to hack rl to be headless and build a better service layer
Salah#9261: idk what solution is used for distributed training |
redd_rl#0001: You don't
redd_rl#0001: You instead ask @Zealan nicely to help w rocket sim
redd_rl#0001: :KEK:
Zealan#5987: lol
Kaiyotech#4608: Open ai has millions of dollars of compute. You can get away with things that most people can't. Not sure which project in general you're talking about.
Zealan#5987: how is this #human-rl
redd_rl#0001: It isn't
redd_rl#0001: Lol
Salah#9261: gh page?
Zealan#5987: https://www.google.com/search?q=zealan+rocketsim+github
Rolv#1337: Uhm https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1041678574949761044/image.png
Rolv#1337: https://github.com/ZealanL/RocketSim
Salah#9261: thanks, i am into RE and will look into this thanks
Zealan#5987: ida dracula theme gang?
Zealan#5987: https://tenor.com/view/works-on-my-machine-ryan-gosling-works-on-my-gif-24523830 |
redd_rl#0001: this is https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1041809676666421358/image.png
redd_rl#0001: discord corporate bullshit
Salah#9261: i used to exclusively use ida gdb and r2 but moving towards ghidra and binaryninja. i think for this big game ida and ghidra will work for static analysis
Zealan#5987: i really wouldnt bother with ghidra imo
Zealan#5987: its ida but just worse
Zealan#5987: also i assume the game is rl?
Zealan#5987: x64dbg, CE, ReclassEx and IDA are my go-tos and cover basically everything related to RE (especially for games) that i would need
Zealan#5987: but ida is basically the carry
Zealan#5987: ghidra is cool but its still far from ida
Zealan#5987: their pseudocode is neat tho (i still prefer hexrays)
axelalex2#5793: https://discord.com/channels/348658686962696195/373900457845850112/1041515166686265355
redd_rl#0001: nope the flex me bot is dead dang
_DaCoolOne_#6111: Yeah, suck it ghidra
_DaCoolOne_#6111: Wait...
redd_rl#0001: i hope the code from your amazing tool can be decoded |
redd_rl#0001: right..?
Rocket League #announcements#0000: You can earn Whiplash in Rocket League! Play the High Octane Quest and earn your rewards today!
More Info: http://www.rocketleague.com/news/highoctane-whiplash/
Wes#5113: Wait that's actually a really cool car but I don't want to play sideswipe
HellNasty#9329: You don't need to
HellNasty#9329: I doubt they would make you play it at all
HellNasty#9329: Since you only need 8 outta 12
Wes#5113: True
HellNasty#9329: If so maybe one quest 2 at the max
Wes#5113: Yeah
Wes#5113: I just don't want to play any
HellNasty#9329: You and me both lol
_DaCoolOne_#6111: Replace the exec() with a print() and yee
Rocket League #announcements#0000: Fan Clash is making a return! Sign up now and score points representing your country of choice to earn Rewards in Rocket League. |
Nike FC Cup starts now! See you on the pitch ⚽🥅
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Rolv#1337: Team Norway 🇳🇴
Rangler#8320: Argentina decal kinda cringe, looks like it was designed by a toddler
Rolv#1337: Sounds about right :Kappa:
Rolv#1337: Just checked it, looks alright to me
Rangler#8320: Checks out, you're also cringe :kappa:
Rolv#1337: You can also claim the Spain decal
HellNasty#9329: I kinda hate they are making you play the game for them
HellNasty#9329: I understand why
HellNasty#9329: But this could be a real money maker
Rolv#1337: Very true
Rolv#1337: People would be all over country decals |
HellNasty#9329: Exactly and if you have them $3 a decal
HellNasty#9329: Cause you can't claim all of them right
HellNasty#9329: Or I guess this is part 1
Rolv#1337: https://twitter.com/RuleOneGG/status/1593302950830538752
FJ16#4316: can someone help me with my air roll keybinds i think they make my air control even worse
FJ16#4316: ive got air roll and air roll right on LB
redd_rl#0001: Free roll on powerslide
redd_rl#0001: I have default binds with air rolls on bumpers and look at me, I'm a washed 1500 lol
redd_rl#0001: Like default default
FJ16#4316: oh ok
FJ16#4316: thanks
FJ16#4316: i mean my setup already feels alot better
axelalex2#5793: I got directional air rolls on square and circle, boost on RB, powerslide on LB. This helped free up the main movement mechanics to both hands (steering and powerslide on left, boost and jump on right hand), so when not pressing jump (which is most of the time) i have my thumb free for directional air rolls
FJ16#4316: thanks
FJ16#4316: appreciate it |
Wes#5113: That's how you do it!!!
Wes#5113: Except I don't have air roll right and use x, square for ps for scoreboard
FJ16#4316: do u use air role and powerslide on the same keybind
Wes#5113: Yeah
Wes#5113: Just like Alex
Wes#5113: But I hardly ever use free air roll except on kickoffs, speed flips, and recoveries
Wes#5113: All my aerials are air roll left
axelalex2#5793: i don't have air roll bound, only the directional ones, which are on the main buttons (square and circle) near the jump, so stalls are also quite easily possible
FJ16#4316: fair enough
FJ16#4316: my mechanics are already alot better now
FJ16#4316: thanks guy
FJ16#4316: s
redd_rl#0001: for any and all champ 2s in this chat
redd_rl#0001: don't worry about champ 3 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1043220318594011137/unknown.png
redd_rl#0001: it's so fucking free |
redd_rl#0001: filled with brainless idiots
axelalex2#5793: let alone playing Rocket League qualifies one as a brainless idiot
Carrot#3900: I am
Rocket League #announcements#0000: https://twitter.com/RL_Status/status/1593686160412327936
Rocket League #announcements#0000: https://twitter.com/RL_Status/status/1593730925841780736
axelalex2#5793: @Rolv is it possible to give Nexto a bit of reaction time? It would be cooler to practice 1s against Nexto, if i could increase the level of Nexto bit by bit
axelalex2#5793: currently, he is destroying me most of the time
Mal#5601: Just reduce your reaction time :smart:
NeptunaHM#4889: i try it too, first game in 11 minutes i take 2-32 the seconde match i take 7-27, so i think it's not a big problem you will be able to progress fast
redd_rl#0001: axelalex is grand champ 2
NeptunaHM#4889: huh
axelalex2#5793: my new favorite car design https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1043585857065582612/image.png
r0bbi3#0269: https://twitter.com/TeamBDS/status/1594012636592500742
axelalex2#5793: ehhhhh
axelalex2#5793: 2 years? that's hell of a long extension |
r0bbi3#0269: haha i wanted to see if anyone would actually watch the video, or just presume he left
axelalex2#5793: i hold market shares in Shift, no way i get Jebaited like that
Konvertor#3146: I was about half way through the video before I realized there were english subtitles
Rolv#1337: My impression is that the extensions don't mean too much other than the fact that the players have to be bought out
axelalex2#5793: okay, this is it, playing Rocket League just makes me way too toxic, even with chat turned off, i beat up myself and others too much even when doing fine https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1043692000874082364/image.png
redd_rl#0001: WOOOOOOOOOOO
redd_rl#0001: onto being a better personnnn!!!!!
axelalex2#5793: Also, while enjoying watching the pros battle it out, which i will continue, i lost the ability to see how their skills can be applied in the game. I understand them in theory, but i cannot even implement 10% of what the pros developed since RLCS X. Makes me a bit depressed, comparing myself to the literal best in the world. That has to stop.
Rangler#8320: Welcome to the club
Rolv#1337: lol
Rolv#1337: The trick is to just chill in freeplay constantly
r0bbi3#0269: i personally am a fan of barely playing the game while being one of the most active in #human-rl https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1043922647081308330/image.png
r0bbi3#0269: 90% of this is AFK, i have played 3 games in the last month
bocaj#3966: where is general
Wes#5113: #rlbot-discussion |
redd_rl#0001: you can spend loads of hours doing jack shit
redd_rl#0001: does that mean you'll get good?
redd_rl#0001: no, not quite.
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yes
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but i mean i practice aerials alot and im just not consistent
redd_rl#0001: i spent a good number of my hours hard focusing being good
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i can be good sometimes and not good other times
redd_rl#0001: how do you practice them?
ShadowyZephyr#8566: freeplay and in ranked mostly
redd_rl#0001: _how_ do you practice your aerials
ShadowyZephyr#8566: wdym how
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i go into freeplay and just go for like double touches, or practice hitting the ball as fast as i can, or going for resets, and trying to hit accurately and quickly in games
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i felt like i had made a lot of progress in the last couple weeks when i hit gc but then i just lost all that mmr back
ShadowyZephyr#8566: anything specific you do?
redd_rl#0001: uh well |
redd_rl#0001: i haven't played a training pack in montths
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yeah neither have i
ShadowyZephyr#8566: most people dont do training packs
redd_rl#0001: that much i can say
redd_rl#0001: but i have rings maps
ShadowyZephyr#8566: oh interesting
ShadowyZephyr#8566: honestly i played nexto for a bit when it released which helped with ground game
ShadowyZephyr#8566: not realistic for aerials though since you have too much space to set things up
redd_rl#0001: nexto is a terrible tool and it turned me from a 1500 into a washed low champ 3
ShadowyZephyr#8566: Well it didnt for me
redd_rl#0001: my everything consistency was so much better back before i started playing against nexto seriously
redd_rl#0001: then i started, and started to mirror its playstyle
redd_rl#0001: it makes me so farmable
ShadowyZephyr#8566: weird
ShadowyZephyr#8566: it helped with my flicks a lot since it defends bad flicks |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: oh
ShadowyZephyr#8566: my playstyle is kinda similar in ones ig
ShadowyZephyr#8566: most champ 3s can hardly flick in a game at all though
redd_rl#0001: i'd be damned if they knew how to defend them though
redd_rl#0001: champ 3 is fucking free when it comes to flicks
ShadowyZephyr#8566: they know how to defend them much better than scoring them
SyRup#5715: Can someone set up a 1v1 nexto bot for me?
redd_rl#0001: !install
RLBot#1485: Installation video: <https://youtu.be/oXkbizklI2U>
Have fun with the bots 😄
ShadowyZephyr#8566: although its really gc1 that people learn how to defend them better
redd_rl#0001: don't just ask in the active channel, thanks.
ShadowyZephyr#8566: wish there were more bots with different playstyles
redd_rl#0001: well they learn the bare minimum
axelalex2#5793: Thanks man, that's a very thoughtful reaction from you :ninadoHug: |
redd_rl#0001: of what their rewards shape them to do
redd_rl#0001: now it's time to get shredded instead
ShadowyZephyr#8566: couldnt you remove other unnecessary rewards once the bot gets higher ranked
redd_rl#0001: all those rocket league hours i better see you put in at the gym (if you can)
SyRup#5715: I don’t have pc
redd_rl#0001: sucks to suck then, :p
redd_rl#0001: nope
redd_rl#0001: you have to keep them, most of the time
redd_rl#0001: otherwise it'll go "oh i don't get rewarded for this anymore" and promptly unlearn it
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i thought nexto had a reward for not tocuhing grass that was removed
SyRup#5715: U can’t jus set it up for me?
redd_rl#0001: not how it works.
ShadowyZephyr#8566: why would it unlearn it if its helpful to scoring
redd_rl#0001: console can't play rlbot matches in any way
ShadowyZephyr#8566: doesnt it depends on what it is |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: tbh that seems like a big oversight by psyonix though
ShadowyZephyr#8566: to have bots in a separate api
SyRup#5715: Oh
redd_rl#0001: because you can't mod console
redd_rl#0001: the ground bad reward was to teach it the viability of the air
SyRup#5715: Yea I’m
redd_rl#0001: but it still rarely knows the air
SyRup#5715: Ik*
ShadowyZephyr#8566: do other ML bots know how to pressure, or do thaey all go back to net
redd_rl#0001: uh
redd_rl#0001: well there aren't many others
redd_rl#0001: but most of them in 1v1 learn ball good and nothing else
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i feel like thats the cause of the problems with training
redd_rl#0001: which means they develop insane mechanics to account for their shitty overcommits
redd_rl#0001: source: been there done that |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: nexto doesnt have insane mechanics
redd_rl#0001: because nexto love hates ball
ShadowyZephyr#8566: neither does ragnarok, or any of the ML bots ive seen
redd_rl#0001: nexto will give you the ball and then head all the way back home
redd_rl#0001: but then flick the everloving shit out of you the next second
redd_rl#0001: damn you got me in a tp scoring some insane angles
redd_rl#0001: tdrgyfhuiojpåö
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yes but thats good for training specific things
ShadowyZephyr#8566: much better than playing cas since psyonix ruined it
redd_rl#0001: meh
redd_rl#0001: i consider bots the worst training tool and play casual still
redd_rl#0001: nexto is surprisingly easy to flick if you can get the position right https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1044022521139302511/bababa.mp4
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats why it made me good at flicks
ShadowyZephyr#8566: beacuse you can flick it
redd_rl#0001: however: |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but you have to know how to do it
redd_rl#0001: have you ever used these at some point in a game
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats not how i did it though you did 2 in a row
redd_rl#0001: and what would you say caused your mmr drop
ShadowyZephyr#8566: no but I've seen someone who did
ShadowyZephyr#8566: in my ones lobbies someone did the "flick it up to bait someone if they have good positioning" strat
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and it worked on me
redd_rl#0001: pretty sure that's just called a backflip flick
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yes
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats what you did there
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but you can backflip flick forward
redd_rl#0001: a strategy that musty prides himself in "popularising"
ShadowyZephyr#8566: he does?
ShadowyZephyr#8566: you can 45 flick nexto
ShadowyZephyr#8566: or 180 flick nexto |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: as well
redd_rl#0001: nearly all of his 1v1 videos feature it at some point
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats what i did
redd_rl#0001: backflip flick bait into shot or catch on net
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yeah and it works
ShadowyZephyr#8566: so clearly people do use them in games lol
redd_rl#0001: nexto does it purely because you challenge
redd_rl#0001: and it works
redd_rl#0001: the solution is just to not be backwards from it moving towards your net
redd_rl#0001: and instead come in from the side, wait and wait and wait
redd_rl#0001: it will not flick until it perceives you challenging
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yeah but that works in games too by the same token
ShadowyZephyr#8566: especially against champs
redd_rl#0001: or it'll just try to awkwardly flick it and then you can take it
redd_rl#0001: yeah but it also makes you so free |
redd_rl#0001: since a player can understand your lack of a challenge and just like
ShadowyZephyr#8566: flicks are such an easy mechanic to learn that no one does
redd_rl#0001: shoot it or some shit
ShadowyZephyr#8566: your point was saying that the stuff you do against nexto and the stuff it does against you wont work in games. but it does
redd_rl#0001: it wil lbut won't
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and im also saying cas is god awful since psyonix killed it
redd_rl#0001: it'll work up to a certain point
redd_rl#0001: i'm fine with casual
redd_rl#0001: if my teammate wants to rage and be angry
ShadowyZephyr#8566: by making it "ranked but you can't see your rank so people throw"
redd_rl#0001: sure you go ahead
redd_rl#0001: i'll keep playing here
ShadowyZephyr#8566: leth mentioned it in a video how its become like ranked 2 and i was like "omg how is he the only one to point it ou"
ShadowyZephyr#8566: literally you can get banned from cas... ever heard of BAD INTERNET CONNECTIONS psyonix?
ShadowyZephyr#8566: people who have BAD INTERNET dont want to play ranked, because they lose mmr if they disconnect |
redd_rl#0001: meh
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but now you can get time in cas
redd_rl#0001: what's your epic wanna run a few i guess lol
redd_rl#0001: i lit on fire with my air game
ShadowyZephyr#8566: arent you like gc at least
redd_rl#0001: i'm high champ 3 atm
redd_rl#0001: i meant casual
ShadowyZephyr#8566: oh
ShadowyZephyr#8566: im like gold mmr in casual i dont play it
redd_rl#0001: there is no mmr = rank correlation in casual
ShadowyZephyr#8566: the reason bot training is so good is because you can pick the skill level
redd_rl#0001: you could find a champ in 1100 and a plat 2 in 1700
ShadowyZephyr#8566: training with something higher skill level than you is WAYYY better than training with the same skill level
ShadowyZephyr#8566: if thats true then its even worse than i thought
ShadowyZephyr#8566: youd expect there to be a correlation because more mmr = better in both modes |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: that shows how terrible cas is now
redd_rl#0001: casual has been like this for years
redd_rl#0001: :P
redd_rl#0001: all of my time playing rocket league the casual gameplay has been a dice roll
redd_rl#0001: casual mmr lacks proper resets so /shrug
ShadowyZephyr#8566: you don't need resets
ShadowyZephyr#8566: if casual was actually good then there would be perhaps not a huge correlation with rank but there would be more than what you're describing
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and my epic is ShadowyZephyr
ShadowyZephyr#8566: bot training could be so good since you can pick a skill level higher than you
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats like the ultimate way to train
ShadowyZephyr#8566: the problem is the playstyles dont match reality
ShadowyZephyr#8566: if someone made a bot with the intent of creating it to play like a person of that rank would then I imagine everyone would switch to training vs bots ~~ a rank set higher than them in skill
ShadowyZephyr#8566: @redd_rl so do you want to play?
redd_rl#0001: internet cut out
redd_rl#0001: pray it stays awake lmfaoo |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: see what i mean...
ShadowyZephyr#8566: you can now get banned from cas if this happens
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and this happens to me too sometimes
redd_rl#0001: i got banned a few months ago from casual
redd_rl#0001: i was playing a 1s match
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and then the freestyler ban thing. like, new players could just LEAVE the game if they didnt like being with a freestyler if you hadnt RUINED it psyonix
redd_rl#0001: let's play the game "guess the reason"
redd_rl#0001: new players can still just leave
redd_rl#0001: but i don't figure they'll find having to leave every 3rd game very fun
ShadowyZephyr#8566: they cant though
redd_rl#0001: i have absolutely TANKED my mmr before in casual
ShadowyZephyr#8566: if queue times are the same then yes
redd_rl#0001: under the new system
ShadowyZephyr#8566: leaving every 3rd game would not be a problem
ShadowyZephyr#8566: you can just join a new game and get slotted in |
redd_rl#0001: if i was new to a game and i got shit on every 3rd game, i'd figure hte entire game was like that and just quit playing
redd_rl#0001: i added you, by the way.
ShadowyZephyr#8566: I sort of understand psyonixs thinking with the freestyler thing but it wouldnt have had to happened if they hadnt ban people for leaving cas matches in the first place
redd_rl#0001: i'm EU but i can run on US-E ping fine
ShadowyZephyr#8566: they could also just make a freestyle playlist
ShadowyZephyr#8566: where the freestylers take turns
redd_rl#0001: you mean like... private matches?
ShadowyZephyr#8566: sort of
ShadowyZephyr#8566: id like to see public matches
ShadowyZephyr#8566: like a list of matches you can join without a password
redd_rl#0001: implementing a whole category and playlist for one part of the community is kind of stupid
ShadowyZephyr#8566: so you can interact with people of different skill levels
ShadowyZephyr#8566: or play custom maps with other people
redd_rl#0001: daddy psyonix doesn't want us doing this
redd_rl#0001: hence the lack of support |
redd_rl#0001: but old psy let us happily
redd_rl#0001: we found a solution
ShadowyZephyr#8566: I honestly dont know how many freestylers there are, I got the impression it was kind a of a lot
redd_rl#0001: now they have to keep it in so we don't flip siht and leave
redd_rl#0001: the lower mmr you go the more common they get
ShadowyZephyr#8566: psyonix could either just make public matches, or just let people leave in casual
ShadowyZephyr#8566: either is an obvoiusly better solution than banning the freestylers like what
redd_rl#0001: well fuck the freestylers
redd_rl#0001: they were breaking rules
redd_rl#0001: in the end
redd_rl#0001: their bans were nearly entirely justified
ShadowyZephyr#8566: rules that shouldn't have been rules in the first place
ShadowyZephyr#8566: they were definitely breaking teh rules but the rules are stupid
redd_rl#0001: you get banned for smurfing on lower players and giving them a bad time.
ShadowyZephyr#8566: casual is literally ranked but people throw now |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: it wouldnt be a bad time if they could just leave, or if psyonix did ANYTHING to help the freestylers verify their shots
redd_rl#0001: a private match
redd_rl#0001: :P
ShadowyZephyr#8566: you can fake shots in privates
ShadowyZephyr#8566: using tas
redd_rl#0001: ping variance makes that inachievable
redd_rl#0001: freeplay sure
redd_rl#0001: the fact taht cheaters exist in a certain niche part of the game is not psyonix's problem
ShadowyZephyr#8566: its 0 ping if you host the private match
redd_rl#0001: .??
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i think
redd_rl#0001: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1044028590594986084/image.png
ShadowyZephyr#8566: ok not 0 but very low
redd_rl#0001: which makes tas unusable
ShadowyZephyr#8566: you could probably make a bot like stallion that just corrects the angle of the ball and it wouldnt look that bad |
redd_rl#0001: i made a bot like stallion
ShadowyZephyr#8566: enough to fool the general public i think
redd_rl#0001: you can't place bots into online matches
ShadowyZephyr#8566: well they use rlbot api thats why
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i think you'd be able to mod the game to have the same effect
ShadowyZephyr#8566: if you used a lan amtch
redd_rl#0001: fun fact: bakkesmod obfuscates everything match related
redd_rl#0001: car positions, rotation data and so on
ShadowyZephyr#8566: actually i didnt know that
redd_rl#0001: and again, because of ping variation there is no guarantee.
redd_rl#0001: hiya rolv
Rolv#1337: Now that’s some good copium
redd_rl#0001: i apologise in advance rolv
redd_rl#0001: but i hate nexto's guts
redd_rl#0001: i kick it's ass happily but i hate it |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i guess for a regular private non lan match maybe?
ShadowyZephyr#8566: im pretty sure it can still be faked somehow
redd_rl#0001: ping variance is still a problem there
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but im not a freestyler soo
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and what are we meant to do about higher level bots
ShadowyZephyr#8566: just never release a bot again for fear that it might be used the wrong way?
redd_rl#0001: kind of what's going on
redd_rl#0001: lol
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yeah thats my point
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but other games have ways to detect bots
redd_rl#0001: other games don't play like rocket league does at all
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but psyonix would rather just not integrate bots instead
redd_rl#0001: rocket league is _very_ difficult to cheat at
redd_rl#0001: no aimbot
ShadowyZephyr#8566: they can detect nexto though no? |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: since the 15fps thing
redd_rl#0001: they can
ShadowyZephyr#8566: also nexto is extremely easy to beat
ShadowyZephyr#8566: if you know the hack
redd_rl#0001: how they detect it isn't publicly accessible knowledge
ShadowyZephyr#8566: that i found
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i beat it 15-2
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i imagine its got to do with the fact that nexto takes an action in 15fps so the times it changes exactly sync up with that
redd_rl#0001: well
redd_rl#0001: all 15fps players just got banned
redd_rl#0001: but if i were to do so, i would compare its gameplay against an existing nexto model, and compare the decision it makes with the decision in a replay, and if it's similar enough enough times, begone
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i thought they cant automate that though
ShadowyZephyr#8566: are they doing that manually
redd_rl#0001: psyonix has access to straight up fucking everything
redd_rl#0001: behind closed doors |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yeah of course but thats not what i meant
redd_rl#0001: button inputs, states, and so on
redd_rl#0001: it's easy to compare if you get reported enough
ShadowyZephyr#8566: theyd have to go through every player who could be nexto individually
ShadowyZephyr#8566: since theres no report system for that
ShadowyZephyr#8566: they are still trying to hush it up which is stupid imo
redd_rl#0001: clarify?
ShadowyZephyr#8566: like the player count thing theyd rather use meaningless terms like "good great amazing" then admit rocket league is losing players
redd_rl#0001: bad pr
redd_rl#0001: :p
ShadowyZephyr#8566: if bots were integrated into the game that could fix the problem that psyonix says about it "being unfair to leave cas matches"
ShadowyZephyr#8566: that caused all their dumb decisions regarding casual
redd_rl#0001: enough bots don't exist
redd_rl#0001: for this to happen
redd_rl#0001: and they'd presumably rather the game be about humans than bots |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: bots are only substituted for like the 20 seconds
ShadowyZephyr#8566: in which a player leaves and another player has not joined yet
redd_rl#0001: if a player is down by 3+ goals or there's less than 1.30ish left a new teammate will not be given to them
ShadowyZephyr#8566: which is stupid also
redd_rl#0001: adding custom bots also opens up security windows in the game
redd_rl#0001: nobody likes being placed into a 0-5 match with 2 minutes on the clock
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i guess thats true
ShadowyZephyr#8566: really the mmr should be about whether you won in the time you were playing thne
ShadowyZephyr#8566: not what came before
redd_rl#0001: it tends to be
ShadowyZephyr#8566: idk the entire system just feels broken and it feels like ranked but worse now
redd_rl#0001: i find i lose mmr less when placed into wonky match situations
ShadowyZephyr#8566: same thing with bots
redd_rl#0001: system is rather forgiving
ShadowyZephyr#8566: its just broken |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: no one will be able to release bots ever?
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats not a viable solution
redd_rl#0001: kind of what we have to do
redd_rl#0001: or just don't put out high ranked bots
redd_rl#0001: until psyonix finds a near foolproof solution
ShadowyZephyr#8566: what if you coded a bot to do a specific sequences of inputs before the kickoff starts?
redd_rl#0001: like.. a macro?
ShadowyZephyr#8566: then someone who just downloaded the source code could get caught right?
redd_rl#0001: those already exist and not much you can do about them
ShadowyZephyr#8566: no i meant like when the clock is counting down
ShadowyZephyr#8566: if the bot does a specific sequence of inputs frame perfectly
ShadowyZephyr#8566: then youd know its that bot right
redd_rl#0001: ping variance
redd_rl#0001: makes it a problem
redd_rl#0001: you don't know what caused inputs |
redd_rl#0001: you only know what the inputs are
ShadowyZephyr#8566: ping variance isnt THAT much
redd_rl#0001: it's enough for nothing to be frame perfect
ShadowyZephyr#8566: like if a bot switches between pressing powerslide for 2 frames and not for 5 frames while also pressing other buttons at specific intervals I can't see how that could be replicated by a human
ShadowyZephyr#8566: the pattern would be really erratic
redd_rl#0001: rocket league is deterministic in freeplay only
redd_rl#0001: not even with rlbot private matches, i've found
ShadowyZephyr#8566: it wouldnt have to be EXACTLY the same
redd_rl#0001: a single dropped packet could mess up the entire sequence
ShadowyZephyr#8566: just close enough that they know a human couldnt do it
ShadowyZephyr#8566: humans cant mash buttons in that way
redd_rl#0001: something like a kickoff macro already exists
redd_rl#0001: most likely
redd_rl#0001: is it detectable? probably not
redd_rl#0001: is it psyonix' concern? not really |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yes I know
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i'm saying before the kickoff starts
ShadowyZephyr#8566: when the clock is counting down
ShadowyZephyr#8566: is that not detectable by a bot?
redd_rl#0001: most bots do nothing during this time
redd_rl#0001: and players do just random button fiddling
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yes but if a bot did a sequence of inputs that was impossible for a player to do
ShadowyZephyr#8566: then youd know its that bot right?
redd_rl#0001: not quite
ShadowyZephyr#8566: even if the input varied slightly due to ping each time
redd_rl#0001: you don't know the player's bindings
ShadowyZephyr#8566: players cant mash buttons like that
redd_rl#0001: i could bind all of my binds to the same button
redd_rl#0001: and then promptly get flagged as a bot
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yes but it would not be entirely automated |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: no one would do that
ShadowyZephyr#8566: the people who get flagged would be reported to mods who check
redd_rl#0001: some absurd bindings exist
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and im sure 99% of them would be bots
redd_rl#0001: rocket league has hundreds of thousands of players
ShadowyZephyr#8566: as for the 1% who are players with ridiculous bindings
redd_rl#0001: this opens up a major trolling opportunity :TrollFace:
ShadowyZephyr#8566: they just let them go on ig
redd_rl#0001: yeah, kickoff and prekickoff macros don't have much of an effect
redd_rl#0001: so they don't really matter to psyonix
redd_rl#0001: it's game ruining stuff like legitimate botting in online matches
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yeah ik
ShadowyZephyr#8566: johnyboi made a video about a demo hack thing
redd_rl#0001: where the relationship to the bot playing is observation result observation
redd_rl#0001: i'm 95% sure that "demo hack" video is just someone crying over an opponent being good with demos |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: its not just ML
ShadowyZephyr#8566: its 100% not
ShadowyZephyr#8566: you see the video, they turn their camera backwards a path a demo in an impossible way
redd_rl#0001: hardcoded acts in the same way
redd_rl#0001: i've demo'd people with backwards camera many _many_ times
redd_rl#0001: usually because i forget to take my cam off the ball
ShadowyZephyr#8566: it still does not seem legitimate
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but thates besides the point
redd_rl#0001: neither did the man behind the bot observe any of it's typical little quirks
ShadowyZephyr#8566: why couldnt you embed a prekickoff macro in an ML bots source code
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and if someone does something like that in a game they get flagged
redd_rl#0001: if this was known
redd_rl#0001: just like
redd_rl#0001: remove it
redd_rl#0001: boom, easy. |
redd_rl#0001: most people who put bots in online matches aren't flat out idiots with programming
ShadowyZephyr#8566: do most people check the code of whatever they're downloading? i thought most wouldn't if it acutally gets online
redd_rl#0001: https://github.com/Rolv-Arild/Necto/
ShadowyZephyr#8566: someone would prob remove it and resell it though
ShadowyZephyr#8566: what if the source code isn't released but you can still play the bot through the api?
ShadowyZephyr#8566: is it possible to find the code?
redd_rl#0001: <https://github.com/RLBot/RLBotPack/tree/master/RLBotPack/Necto>
<https://github.com/RLBot/RLBotPack/tree/master/RLBotPack/Necto/Nexto>
<https://github.com/RLBot/RLBotPack/blob/master/RLBotPack/Necto/Nexto/bot.py>
redd_rl#0001: you can't but we don't like not being able to see a bot's source here.
redd_rl#0001: we want to know what's inside the thing, for obvious reasons
ShadowyZephyr#8566: you can't or you can
redd_rl#0001: you can't see the code
ShadowyZephyr#8566: oh yeah
redd_rl#0001: if it's compiled |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: still is a termporary fix
ShadowyZephyr#8566: rather than just never doing anything
ShadowyZephyr#8566: or making any bots
redd_rl#0001: but all hardcoded bots aren't good enough to be a problem, either way.
ShadowyZephyr#8566: at least they could be playable
redd_rl#0001: not releasing source code won't do anything for mitigating bot issues.
redd_rl#0001: no machine learning bot is compiled
ShadowyZephyr#8566: why couldn't it be, though?
redd_rl#0001: and either way just run the precompiled code in your diy bot api and you're grand.
redd_rl#0001: python doesn't compile
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yes thats what other people hav done
ShadowyZephyr#8566: I don't know why rocket league wouoldn't be able to moderate the usage of bots though
redd_rl#0001: surprisingly hard
ShadowyZephyr#8566: other games can find hackers that have WAYY more players than rl
redd_rl#0001: other games don't play like rocket league does |
redd_rl#0001: other games usually have way more insane hacks
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but bots clearly look different than players
redd_rl#0001: ESP, aimbot, flyhacks and so on
redd_rl#0001: bots don't look different from players here.
ShadowyZephyr#8566: if they let people report for that and also analyzed the persons behavior you could just manually go through all the suspiciuos people
ShadowyZephyr#8566: nexto looks much differnt than a player
redd_rl#0001: match throwing/griefing
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and not only that
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but theres a way to beat nexto]
ShadowyZephyr#8566: that isnt hard at all
ShadowyZephyr#8566: that ive mentioned before
redd_rl#0001: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1044035985257791590/image.png
redd_rl#0001: in a 1v1, sure
redd_rl#0001: just confuse it in a way where it thinks doing a certain nothing is the best action
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yeah exactly so just combine reporting with analyzing the behavior and check the rest |
redd_rl#0001: match throwing/griefing also goes under smurfing
redd_rl#0001: and throwing
redd_rl#0001: and false reports are a common occurence
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i dont think bots look like players
redd_rl#0001: there is no way in hell you could bother with checking each player one by one
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and nexto isnt even an issue rn isnce there are easy ways to beat it
redd_rl#0001: like..?
ShadowyZephyr#8566: only the ones that are both reported multiple times and have suspicious behavior
redd_rl#0001: classify "suspicious behaviour"
ShadowyZephyr#8566: manual moderation works in other games with other larger playerbases
redd_rl#0001: other games have bigger stacks of money to throw at moderation
ShadowyZephyr#8566: being gc and not air rolling for aerials, dribbling cleanly, only diagonal flicking, not doing advanced aerial mechanics weeds out like 99% of players alone
redd_rl#0001: other games aren't as foolproof to cheating as rocket league is
redd_rl#0001: what the fuck
redd_rl#0001: all smart players just got fucked |
redd_rl#0001: lmfaoo
ShadowyZephyr#8566: even omst smart players air roll by gc. is it useful? not reallyy. but people do it anyway
redd_rl#0001: oh it is
redd_rl#0001: tremendously useful
redd_rl#0001: but some players don't do it because well
redd_rl#0001: it's not necessary for them
redd_rl#0001: clean dribbling is easy to develop
ShadowyZephyr#8566: depends on what you mean
ShadowyZephyr#8566: tornado spinning to get to the ball only slows you down
redd_rl#0001: fancy flicks are also unnecessary
ShadowyZephyr#8566: its useful when you atcually hit the ball
redd_rl#0001: if you don't know how to handle it
ShadowyZephyr#8566: 45 flicks are very necessary and faster than diaognals
redd_rl#0001: i can't recall the last time i 45 degree flicked
ShadowyZephyr#8566: musty flicks can be faster than 45 flicks and can be faked |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: as well
ShadowyZephyr#8566: backflip flicks are useful too
redd_rl#0001: i slowly dropped that as i went above champ
ShadowyZephyr#8566: almost every pro 45 flicks
redd_rl#0001: with an entire arsenal of flicks at hand
redd_rl#0001: they use the one useful to the situation
ShadowyZephyr#8566: they literally call diagonal flicks "2015 flicks" because thats what people did when the game was released
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and they dont do it anymore
ShadowyZephyr#8566: diagonal flicks are only useful beacuse they can be set up quickly
redd_rl#0001: a quick flick is still a useful mechanic
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yes but 45 flicks are better 90% of the time
redd_rl#0001: i'm going to watch apparentlyjack's latest video just to see how many times he does different flicks
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but youre proving my point lol
ShadowyZephyr#8566: nexto only does diagonals
ShadowyZephyr#8566: all the weird little things nexto does TOGETHER could eliminate 99% of players |
redd_rl#0001: and backflips
ShadowyZephyr#8566: combine that with a reports system and i dont think youd have to go through that many people
redd_rl#0001: flagging players based on playstyle is still a very bad idea
redd_rl#0001: and how do you classify these categories?
ShadowyZephyr#8566: like
ShadowyZephyr#8566: wavedashing is easy to understand and classify right
ShadowyZephyr#8566: if someone wavedashes, its not nexto
redd_rl#0001: not quite
redd_rl#0001: nexto wavedashes.
ShadowyZephyr#8566: it does?
ShadowyZephyr#8566: ive never seen it before
redd_rl#0001: and a wavedash is just any way to flip onto the ground
redd_rl#0001: hard to classify
redd_rl#0001: it's easy for humans because our brains are INCREDIBLY complex and good at generalising
redd_rl#0001: we can intuitively understand conceptws with a good explanation |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: if your flip momentum gets canceled half way through and your angle isnt changing anymore thats a wavedash
ShadowyZephyr#8566: even with a stall your angle stil lchanges i think
redd_rl#0001: could also be a noflip
redd_rl#0001: and a stall doesn't mess with your angle
ShadowyZephyr#8566: doesnt your angle still change for a little bit on a noflip
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but anyways bots dont noflip either iirc
redd_rl#0001: very minimally
redd_rl#0001: same with wavedashes
redd_rl#0001: due to suspension and such
ShadowyZephyr#8566: if you just took the people who were reported multiple times
redd_rl#0001: but that means noflips will be classified
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and ran them through just a couple simple things im sure youd narrow it down a lot
redd_rl#0001: what would these simple things be?
ShadowyZephyr#8566: the things i just said
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i think there are ways to classify many of those things theyre just complicated |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and i cant think of the exact parameters you'd need
redd_rl#0001: and either way you would need a more foolproof method than the analysis of the playstyle characteristics
redd_rl#0001: players can develop identical playstyles
ShadowyZephyr#8566: like i said, reports
ShadowyZephyr#8566: those two combined
redd_rl#0001: random reports are common
redd_rl#0001: :P
redd_rl#0001: so are smurfing reports
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yes thats why youd use some playstyle analysis too
redd_rl#0001: it's a bad method
redd_rl#0001: to analyse players
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and i imagine you could make a bot to analyze playstyle
ShadowyZephyr#8566: how do you actually know that? has it been tried?
redd_rl#0001: because players can develop that playstyle, too.
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yes thats why there would be a manual moderation stage too |
redd_rl#0001: and how would that work..?
ShadowyZephyr#8566: its pretty easy to tell nexto from any human
ShadowyZephyr#8566: from watching for like a minute
redd_rl#0001: not really
ShadowyZephyr#8566: if you know what to look for
ShadowyZephyr#8566: it really is
redd_rl#0001: https://youtu.be/LO4h8djNB50?t=84
ShadowyZephyr#8566: the players who were guessing didnt even know nexto existed
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats not a fair test
ShadowyZephyr#8566: they didnt think a gc bot was possible even probably
redd_rl#0001: and nexto plays in a wacky fashion, where nothing is guaranteed
redd_rl#0001: hence
redd_rl#0001: the ideal foolproof method i can come up with would be to check taken actions against an existing model
redd_rl#0001: which is presumably how the current system works
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yes |
redd_rl#0001: i know exactly how nexto plays, and watching this looks like people to me :P
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but if you trained your own nexto
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and tweaked it slightly
ShadowyZephyr#8566: I could imagine that not working
redd_rl#0001: that's too much effort
redd_rl#0001: for most people
redd_rl#0001: it's not "just train your own "
redd_rl#0001: it takes loads of time and compute
redd_rl#0001: which most script kiddies lack
ShadowyZephyr#8566: true
redd_rl#0001: but either way i cba to have this discussion
redd_rl#0001: too much brain for 1 am
redd_rl#0001: let's just paly casual lmfao
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yeah
ShadowyZephyr#8566: if what you said s true though |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats its too much effort
ShadowyZephyr#8566: can psyonix not just download a copy of every new ML model released
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and check it against players
ShadowyZephyr#8566: who are reported
redd_rl#0001: they could, and this is what they have with nexto
ShadowyZephyr#8566: so why are they worried about releasing new bots then
ShadowyZephyr#8566: if no one will go through the effort to change them they can just use the original model
redd_rl#0001: psyonix has asked us to not release any new bots
redd_rl#0001: for the time being
redd_rl#0001: presumably while they perfect their solution
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yeah that seems fair
ShadowyZephyr#8566: im just annoyed at them tbh
ShadowyZephyr#8566: not for that decision specifically
redd_rl#0001: botting isn't a common issue
ShadowyZephyr#8566: that seems fair, its only unfair if it goes on forever |
redd_rl#0001: so it doesn't really matter
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but psyonixs recent decisions have not made me very happy
redd_rl#0001: psyonix' recent decisions is making nobody happy
redd_rl#0001: we just gotta deal with it :P
redd_rl#0001: except the s8 rewards
redd_rl#0001: people are drooling over it
ShadowyZephyr#8566: the cas decisions, voice chat, not having public servers, garbage maps, garbage gamemodes
redd_rl#0001: meh voice chat is good
ShadowyZephyr#8566: people who dont use it are at a disadvantage
ShadowyZephyr#8566: it needs to be made separate modes then i think
redd_rl#0001: not really
redd_rl#0001: reading is a thing
redd_rl#0001: which is what 90% of people do anyway
ShadowyZephyr#8566: personally i dont lik eit
ShadowyZephyr#8566: like it |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: also knockout
ShadowyZephyr#8566: everyone was hyped ONLy because its the first time psyonix released a new mode in forever
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but it actually sucks
redd_rl#0001: one wheel
ShadowyZephyr#8566: its like a half baked idea
redd_rl#0001: one wheel mode was amazing
redd_rl#0001: lmfao
ShadowyZephyr#8566: unironically more interesting than knockout
ShadowyZephyr#8566: so if you want to play causla my epic is ShadowyZephyr
redd_rl#0001: yeah
redd_rl#0001: i've added you
redd_rl#0001: sizablescorpion something
redd_rl#0001: is the epic name you'll receive form
redd_rl#0001: i'm steam
redd_rl#0001: @ShadowyZephyr |
https://www.peaksports.com/sports-psychology-blog/how-criticism-can-affect-athletes-mental-game/
https://www.reddit.com/r/summonerschool/comments/8delji/why_criticising_a_teammate_is_the_worst_possible/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343696767_Toxic_Behaviors_in_Team-Based_Competitive_Gaming_The_Case_of_League_of_Legends
https://theexcellingedge.com/3-reasons-teammates-encourage-not-criticize/
ShadowyZephyr#8566: do you want to stop partying
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i kinda gtg anyway
redd_rl#0001: my head hurts from all this shit anyway
redd_rl#0001: i should've uninstalled this game a long time ago
ShadowyZephyr#8566: anyways i dont give criticism often because i know people cant handle it usually
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but if people actually can handle it then its okay
ShadowyZephyr#8566: its only bad if the person is tilted and will throw if you say anything negative
redd_rl#0001: if people give a shit about it and want it, sure go for it
redd_rl#0001: but if they don't care, like the majority then don't say anything
redd_rl#0001: it _truly_ is that simple
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i usually don't say anything |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but its not TOXIC
ShadowyZephyr#8566: to be constructive
ShadowyZephyr#8566: it is toxic to not give back a goal if someone was afk or lagged out
ShadowyZephyr#8566: especially if they lagged out thats the worst, because its outside their control
redd_rl#0001: https://betterbasketball.com/7-toxic-behaviors-detrimental-to-growth/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/252950/discussions/0/1496741765121913540/
redd_rl#0001: further links
redd_rl#0001: bitching about not getting a goal because of a specific circumstance is also just
redd_rl#0001: dumb
redd_rl#0001: afk, typing, lagged out and so on
redd_rl#0001: it's a fact of life
redd_rl#0001: not everything is fair
redd_rl#0001: pick yourself up and deal with it
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yes but you as an opponent of the player can make it fair
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats like saying "racism is bad but im not affected by it so its not my problem" |
redd_rl#0001: it's not your job to make it fair
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats almost as bad as being a racist
ShadowyZephyr#8566: it IS your job in this case
redd_rl#0001: it isn't, you have no responsibility to tilt the scales
ShadowyZephyr#8566: maybe not a responsibility but its the moral thing to do
redd_rl#0001: if you lost because you weren't there, or able to play it sucks to suck
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and its toxic not to
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yes misplaced criticism can be bad
redd_rl#0001: if i were to cry in a basketball game that i'm getting absolutely dunked on because say i'm short or something
redd_rl#0001: sucks to suck
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats why i dont criticize everyone in my lobbies
redd_rl#0001: if i blame it on being unfit
redd_rl#0001: sucks to suck
redd_rl#0001: not their problem
ShadowyZephyr#8566: not applicable to rl |
redd_rl#0001: it's _mine_
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and thats what i dont like about real sports
redd_rl#0001: being short is a circumstance outside of your control
redd_rl#0001: so is lagging out
redd_rl#0001: being unfit is a circumstance in my control
ShadowyZephyr#8566: honestly
redd_rl#0001: so is typing or being afk
redd_rl#0001: do you see the principle now?
ShadowyZephyr#8566: the difference is with being short theres no way to even the scale
ShadowyZephyr#8566: you cant determine how much that affects a player
ShadowyZephyr#8566: with RL you can give back a goal if the opponent lagged out
ShadowyZephyr#8566: so why wouldnt you
redd_rl#0001: because you're there to win
redd_rl#0001: not "make things fair"
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but you're not there to win like 95% of the time |
redd_rl#0001: life is unfair, in the end
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats the mentality thats wrong
ShadowyZephyr#8566: youre there to have fun
ShadowyZephyr#8566: like 95% of the time
ShadowyZephyr#8566: people think winning their next game is what makes it fun but its really not
ShadowyZephyr#8566: the people who do that are also the people who tilt
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and rage
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and get addicted but dont actually have fun playing the game, then rant about how they should've uninstalled it
ShadowyZephyr#8566: like i said, thats like saying "you're there to make money in life, and you can't make money by helping others, so who cares whether racism or poverty is solved, as long as you make money"
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats a terrible mindset
ShadowyZephyr#8566: if you can make things fair then do it
redd_rl#0001: :P
redd_rl#0001: I'm done here, but your way of thinking about rl is fundamentally flawed
redd_rl#0001: Your mindset makes sense in other situations, but not here
ShadowyZephyr#8566: it makes sense if you actually care about things long term rather than winning. just like money isnt always what makes people happy in life, its how you get there, winning is not always what makes people happy playing rl |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: if you care about other people you'll actively try to make something fair because you want to help
redd_rl#0001: Rocket league
redd_rl#0001: As a game
redd_rl#0001: Is not about having fun, generally
redd_rl#0001: It is not the central idea
redd_rl#0001: Nor is qny competitive sport
redd_rl#0001: It's about winning
redd_rl#0001: Playing with friends or something for fun, sure go nuta
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats only because people think in a very competitive and narrow way
ShadowyZephyr#8566: there are lots of low ranked players that are happy staying low ranked
redd_rl#0001: Because they don't care about ranking up
ShadowyZephyr#8566: who actually have more fun with the game then the champs who constantly try to win and then rage and want to uninstall
ShadowyZephyr#8566: then they redownload the game and then rage again
redd_rl#0001: More power to them
redd_rl#0001: But the ones who care about improving should also care about winning |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: for me having fun and wanting to play the game is about improving
ShadowyZephyr#8566: so i try to improve
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but thats short term, improving is a long term goal
redd_rl#0001: That journey is going to throw challenges at you, and you have to get past them
ShadowyZephyr#8566: it doesnt matter if you win your next 4 games because the opponents lag and you take advantage
ShadowyZephyr#8566: youll still be the same skill level
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and your rank probably won't go up in the long term
ShadowyZephyr#8566: youll just fall right back to the same spot
ShadowyZephyr#8566: so why even be unfair about it
ShadowyZephyr#8566: not only are you just being a jerk but you gain nothing in the end
redd_rl#0001: Nobody but you can make that journey easier for yourself
ShadowyZephyr#8566: that doesn't make it easier
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i have the same amount of matches won as everyone else in my rank
ShadowyZephyr#8566: actually i had less when i was gc1
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thinking about improving not winning makes it WAY easier |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: honestly I had trouble with it sometimes
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but when I think about improving I play better generally anyway
redd_rl#0001: There's a good reason behind my gc in 1400 hours achievement
redd_rl#0001: Rank is fundamentally linked to skill
redd_rl#0001: You'll bounce around where you are, but you will be roughly where your skill is
redd_rl#0001: I didn't spend my matches caring about small details
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats like,.. the average on steam
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i have more but only beacuse i fool around in freeplay
ShadowyZephyr#8566: because thats fun to me as well as improving
redd_rl#0001: I didn't get upset or care about losing to being afk
redd_rl#0001: Nor did i care about demolitions
ShadowyZephyr#8566: yeah exactly
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats literally my point
ShadowyZephyr#8566: winning 4 games because your opponents go afk will not help you at all in the long run
ShadowyZephyr#8566: your skill is the same |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and you wont hit gc or ssl or whatever other rank any faster
redd_rl#0001: Nor did i listen to what anyone had to say, id i didn't explicitly ask for it
redd_rl#0001: 75% of my playtime is freeplay
ShadowyZephyr#8566: literally NO ONE gives constructive criticism in this game
ShadowyZephyr#8566: a few times i have gotten it but its so rare
ShadowyZephyr#8566: im saying playing to improve is better than playing to win
redd_rl#0001: So why would people take you for qn exception?
ShadowyZephyr#8566: even if you want to rank up
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i think people should do it more though
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i also ask sometimes
redd_rl#0001: Sure, but you have to approach it in a good fashion
ShadowyZephyr#8566: and usually the response is nothing or "you suck go back to plat"
redd_rl#0001: Welcome to reality
redd_rl#0001: For both of those
redd_rl#0001: People don't |
redd_rl#0001: You gotta learn to live with it
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i think people who are hardstuck dont even care about their own mistakes they just think if they hit more advanced mechanics theyll rank up
ShadowyZephyr#8566: so they cant notice others mistakes unless its whiffing
redd_rl#0001: Most are stuck
redd_rl#0001: Or they don't care
ShadowyZephyr#8566: honestly im kinda stuck rn
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i got to d3 VERY quickly
ShadowyZephyr#8566: after that my progress slowed
redd_rl#0001: And are playing to fuck around
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats why im asking you for advice, but we played cas and i was an autopilot so whatever you could say is probably not applicable
redd_rl#0001: Be more aware of your teammate
redd_rl#0001: I felt that especially lacked
ShadowyZephyr#8566: id like to know how people get consistent with mechanics though, is it custom maps?
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats fair but like i said i was very much on autopilot
redd_rl#0001: Repetition |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: although i have noticed that thats hard for me sometimes
ShadowyZephyr#8566: im usually the one receiving passes not the one passing
ShadowyZephyr#8566: its been burnt out of my brain because people in champ 1 dont accept passes so when i got stuck there i stopped doing it and now i have to relearn it
redd_rl#0001: And the key mindset part is you can't seem to accept that things won't always be fair
redd_rl#0001: You can do your part, if you'd like to make things fair
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but thats my point
ShadowyZephyr#8566: its not that i believe that things always will be fair
redd_rl#0001: But it is the last thing you should expect from others
ShadowyZephyr#8566: its that you sohuld do what you can to make things fair
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i dont expect it from others
redd_rl#0001: Sounds bad, but welcome to competition
ShadowyZephyr#8566: just like i dont expect my teammates to stay silent when i play bad. i know they are likely going to trashtalk me
ShadowyZephyr#8566: but its still toxic
redd_rl#0001: It's something you have to learn to put up with
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i do put up with it when i play ranked its just toxic |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: theres no reason to pretend its not toxic
ShadowyZephyr#8566: so ofc im not going to do it to others
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i do what i can to make the game fair
redd_rl#0001: Sure, but you can't affect it, so why care
ShadowyZephyr#8566: its like comm trashtalking others in order to win
ShadowyZephyr#8566: i hate that
ShadowyZephyr#8566: stupid playstyle
redd_rl#0001: He's winning with it
redd_rl#0001: More power to him
ShadowyZephyr#8566: he does it because it makes him money though
redd_rl#0001: Hate him, but it works
ShadowyZephyr#8566: thats his incentive to care about winning
ShadowyZephyr#8566: most people in rocket league have ZERO incentive to care about winning a specific game
ShadowyZephyr#8566: they just want to rank up, and playing to improve is better to ranking up than playing to win every game
ShadowyZephyr#8566: he literally said as much |
ShadowyZephyr#8566: he said "i want to win in those tournaments" because he gets money for winning. but he said ranked should be about improving not winning
ShadowyZephyr#8566: because rank is on a much larger scale and you wont actually get very far from doing that kind of thing
redd_rl#0001: Works in ranked too, nobody cares about improving there
Rolv#1337: https://twitter.com/munosnail/status/1595470325814546433 This thread should be required reading for anyone complaining about demos and/or lag in rocket league
r0bbi3#0269: https://twitter.com/FeerTwitch/status/1596188902997757952
r0bbi3#0269: :PLOTTIES:
Rocket League #announcements#0000: https://twitter.com/RocketLeague/status/1596202321729527812
Brumd#5325: 👀
Rolv#1337: 👀
Rolv#1337: Probably just new season lmao
Rolv#1337: https://tenor.com/view/happy-confused-disbelief-wth-wtf-gif-18408723
Rolv#1337: Every time an announcement isn’t UE5
HellNasty#9329: https://youtu.be/g5ba0TA6Q2E
HellNasty#9329: It is
Rolv#1337: Indeed |
Rolv#1337: Hey now you never know
Rolv#1337: Maybe they release UE5 with the season :hopium:
axelalex2#5793: X
Rolv#1337: Don’t ruin my dreams😭
Rolv#1337: https://twitter.com/LiquipediaRL/status/1596264968084561920
Rolv#1337: Wait a sec
Rolv#1337: UE5 on 5 year anniversary of "This is Rocket League" in S5? 👀
axelalex2#5793: X
Rolv#1337: .
axelalex2#5793: i'm playing the odds of being more often right than wrong, don't blame me
Rolv#1337: I mean obviously I wouldn't bet on it
redd_rl#0001: Yall
redd_rl#0001: @Tricky_. @Zing wtd
redd_rl#0001: Wrf
redd_rl#0001: Wtf |
redd_rl#0001: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1046065322416951356/unknown-129.png
redd_rl#0001: I got this fuckinf thing for free
Tricky_.#2041: 👏
Tricky_.#2041: congrats
Tricky_.#2041: now ur richer than my useless inventory
Tricky_.#2041: comprised of crimson items
redd_rl#0001: Some random guy in oce gave it to me
Tricky_.#2041: crim octane and fennec 💀
JoshyDev#5621: :clappingsock:
redd_rl#0001: Joshy here got to listen to my disbelief for an hour straight
Zing#9999: :PogYou:
Rolv#1337: https://twitter.com/Lethamyr_RL/status/1596529448823754753
Rolv#1337: 👀
Tricky_.#2041: @redd_rl wth https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1046139122529607761/whatisthis.png
Tricky_.#2041: nothing showed up 💀 |
axelalex2#5793: that's a sick item
Tricky_.#2041: thanks bro
Tricky_.#2041: i also got this too
Tricky_.#2041: wait lemme find it
Tricky_.#2041: there was a screenie of a cool item i got a few days ago
Tricky_.#2041: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1046139585916309534/Desktop_Screenshot_2022.11.19_-_11.32.51.61.png
Tricky_.#2041: luck = crazy
Tricky_.#2041: @axelalex2
Tricky_.#2041: 💀
axelalex2#5793: "none" is very Brazil looking tho
Tricky_.#2041: yes yes
Tricky_.#2041: this item right here can brazil people
Tricky_.#2041: 😎
redd_rl#0001: @Rolv hey would you be down to live-coach my team thru a draft tourney :KEKW:
redd_rl#0001: we're two gc leveled players then 1 lower |
redd_rl#0001: if u want u can have the replays
Tricky_.#2041: ah, u joined that draft tourney
Tricky_.#2041: i didnt lol
JeffA233#9064: https://youtu.be/PB3PoWlBnBI?t=527 you mean things like this? lol
Rolv#1337: Sure haha
Rolv#1337: anything regarding netcode
Rolv#1337: it's very much not trivial
Kaiyotech#4608: After playing fps and stuff with terrible hit detection and lag it's frankly incredible that a game like rocket league with the fine touches and movements and 50/50s and stuff work at all
Kaiyotech#4608: 50s should be frankly impossible to get working properly over the internet
JeffA233#9064: to me that video looks more like wheel physics shenanigans
JeffA233#9064: I'm starting to realize most of the weird ghost touches I see and hit appear to be wheel physics related I think lol
JeffA233#9064: not sure if others are making the same mistake
JeffA233#9064: if the ball touches a wheel but not the hitbox I think it'll warp like that because it can't phase through the wheel object or something
JeffA233#9064: seems very odd
JeffA233#9064: pretty sure the wheels can't affect the ball in any form though so it seems to just be a visual bug |
Wes#5113: The physics for rocket league aren't continuous, they run at 120 tps, so the physics engine has to calculate what's gonna happen max 120th of a second into the future, and if a collision happens in that time, player hits ball, or something like that, the approximation could be a bit off
L0laapk3#2010: :PES_ThumbsUp: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1046847441451896894/image.png
Wes#5113: I don't get it
L0laapk3#2010: you'll never get it
Wes#5113: Ok
axelalex2#5793: ignore Haruko
Wes#5113: Ohh
Rocket League #announcements#0000: v2.23 is now available for download on all platforms! Check out the patch notes here: https://www.rocketleague.com/news/patch-notes-v2-23/
redd_rl#0001: hbu do it babe 😘
redd_rl#0001: didn't i make the only other stallion out there? :P
redd_rl#0001: sure
redd_rl#0001: but i've made the only other copy
redd_rl#0001: :P
redd_rl#0001: and infact it can do rings maps, something stallion cant
redd_rl#0001: so :PP |
redd_rl#0001: :P
redd_rl#0001: #off-topic
Wes#5113: Talking about replay tools
redd_rl#0001: uh
redd_rl#0001: you're like
redd_rl#0001: trolling
redd_rl#0001: off-topic from rocket leauge chatter
redd_rl#0001: hi kaiyo
redd_rl#0001: rule 2,3.
redd_rl#0001: #intro
redd_rl#0001: rules 2 and 3.
redd_rl#0001: respectfully
redd_rl#0001: by "that little kid" you're talking about Virx, the man who made the better RLBotGUI, using rust. and has contributed a LOT to RLBot, unlike you :P
redd_rl#0001: do something like oh
redd_rl#0001: i don't know |
redd_rl#0001: make a bot?
redd_rl#0001: or contribut ewith something to RLGym or RLBot's libraries?
redd_rl#0001: or bugfixes
redd_rl#0001: there are a ton you can go fix
redd_rl#0001: nope
redd_rl#0001: lol
redd_rl#0001: i've made mine :P
redd_rl#0001: the 1:30 long air dribble with seven pogos and 4-5 flip resets would like to digresss.
redd_rl#0001: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyH9d07gs4U
redd_rl#0001: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISeyxwYRnA8
redd_rl#0001: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er29H8CVc_I
redd_rl#0001: did i not, now?
redd_rl#0001: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XA6EhDeh50
redd_rl#0001: i can assure you this is a bot.
redd_rl#0001: :P |
redd_rl#0001: and someday i would like to see it face stallion
redd_rl#0001: on a rings map.
r0bbi3#0269: https://twitter.com/RLEsports/status/1598361301595877380
r0bbi3#0269: for the dropfrogs
HellNasty#9329: https://twitter.com/RocketLeague/status/1598361948973834246?t=whJsTFEbH6U0RS6TVhfRkQ&s=19
HellNasty#9329: Huh?
Tricky_.#2041: yay https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1047922265502797945/Screenshot_2022-12-01_210717.png
Tricky_.#2041: brazil 4th 🙂
Tricky_.#2041: free explosion
Rolv#1337: Perkele
Rolv#1337: Final day or two of the fan clash was so scuffed
Rolv#1337: Seems like people were just signing up to whichever team was winning which meant scores got reduced
axelalex2#5793: sorry i've quit, Germany would've been first by miles
r0bbi3#0269: I've lost all respect sorry this is absolutely rigged for money... Or ratings in not sure which. I won't be silent . Just saw it live sry
axelalex2#5793: nice r0bbi3-pasta |
HellNasty#9329: https://twitter.com/RocketLeague/status/1598376796138967041?t=ceHfn4r1PUERLtWMy2sjpg&s=19
Rolv#1337: UE5 lesgo
Rolv#1337: Wait I forgot they're waiting for this
Rolv#1337: mark my words and your calendars, june 10 is the day
(of the announcement, releases on 8 year anniversary july 7 of course)
Rocket League #announcements#0000: Unleash the elements!! 🔥 and 🧊 are coming for Season 9.
12.7.22
http://www.rocketleague.com/news/unleash-the-elements-in-season-9/
axelalex2#5793: they are releasing an update in the past? alright
Rolv#1337: lol
Rocket League #esports-announcements#0000: Be aware that from now on, you can only get rewards if you have your Epic account linked. If you haven't done so yet, follow the link below ⬇️
https://twitter.com/rlesports/status/1598361301595877380
L0laapk3#2010: been ramming my head against that gc2 wall again |
L0laapk3#2010: currently 1515 2s and its just up down up down, they are better than me
L0laapk3#2010: its exhausting
Rolv#1337: Weren’t you like diamond a few months ago?
Wes#5113: https://medal.tv/games/rocket-league/clips/Ku29lMyE3NBVy/d1337ANRYrKF?invite=cr-MSxKb0ksNjI1MzQ1MDAs
Wes#5113: holy mother of 2 wheel drifts
CodeRed#2168: I feel ya. I have hit gc1 so many times and I've gotten as close as gc1 div4, but I've never broken through
Kaiyotech#4608: That's still really quite good at the game
Kaiyotech#4608: Any GC is considerably better than I'll likely ever be
Rolv#1337: The more you want the rank the longer it'll take to win that final game
Rolv#1337: I spent so long trying to get GC lol
axelalex2#5793: same
axelalex2#5793: needed three seasons to get it, S8 1 reward win, S9 3 reward wins, before finally making it in a party in S10, then every season with solo queue
L0laapk3#2010: I just reach a point where the skill gradient is suddenly very steep
axelalex2#5793: that usually happens, when players are either skilled enough to outspeed you, or smart enough to outposition you. Playing smart can compensate for missing mechanics a lot, but easiest way to up the ranks is by having consistent mechanics
L0laapk3#2010: > Playing smart can compensate for missing mechanics a lot |
I feel like I'm already doing that a lot just to even be in gc in the first place
L0laapk3#2010: im not slow but my mechanics are shite
axelalex2#5793: Is anyone else watching the ProDrops tournaments, casted by Johnnyboi and Feer? The top players like AppJack, Daniel, Joreuz, Dark, Nwpo and co. seem to put Rocket League gameplay into a dimension, unreachable for us mortals
r0bbi3#0269: paid actor
Carrot#3900: Yeah. Your mechs are trash
Wes#5113: Something I can agree with carrot on
HellNasty#9329: https://twitter.com/riseRL_/status/1598678617994715142?t=HKagtNWheqD5N2w1FisiOA&s=19
HellNasty#9329: This is too funny ngl
axelalex2#5793: i don't get it
HellNasty#9329: the decal is broken on a certain car the it is super bright and works in game not just lobbies
axelalex2#5793: but wouldn't you want to be as invisible as possible for the opponents?
CodeRed#2168: nah just blind them
axelalex2#5793: true, the twoback approach
Tricky_.#2041: ⚽ 🏎️
L0laapk3#2010: https://i.imgur.com/8EnEQPE.mp4 |
https://tenor.com/view/die-death-die-spongebob-spunch-gif-21757965
swaeshy#3860: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1048695396232335441/MedalTVRocketLeague20221203151939-tr-edit.mp4
swaeshy#3860: out-flicking the flick bot 😎
swaeshy#3860: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1048695590143406130/MedalTVRocketLeague20221203145417-tr-edit.mp4
Rolv#1337: Now do the same at 120fps
r0bbi3#0269: :Copesen:
Rocket League #announcements#0000: The issue affecting EOS login has been resolved. Thank you for your patience and good luck with your matches!
https://twitter.com/RL_Status/status/1576001030403203072?s=20&t=rbW2WHegMMIe7kBeJJm-fQ
Rolv#1337: Thanks
redd_rl#0001: can we train nexto on 4v4 uwu
Rolv#1337: No uwu
JoshyDev#5621: :sslegendbot:
Tricky_.#2041: 😔💀
jeroen11dijk#1178: @axelalex2 @twobackfromtheend is there a schedule for Rotterdam anywhere? |
jeroen11dijk#1178: Like I heard the matches start early but it would be nice to know how early and untill when
r0bbi3#0269: https://fxtwitter.com/AlexZapatos/status/1599123527650914304
axelalex2#5793: that's the only schedule currently known https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1048951157298573452/image.png
r0bbi3#0269: where did you find this
axelalex2#5793: https://reddit.com/r/RocketLeagueEsports
r0bbi3#0269: interesting...
CodeRed#2168: finally gc in both 2s and 3s at the same time https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373900457845850112/1049149402771619880/image.png
Tricky_.#2041: nice 🙂
Tricky_.#2041: im still a c1 out here lol
Rocket League #announcements#0000: https://twitter.com/RL_Status/status/1599793332917796864?s=20&t=AREvuXSLobFzO8oVpBHqBg
Rocket League #announcements#0000: https://twitter.com/RL_Status/status/1599797328474689537?s=20&t=AREvuXSLobFzO8oVpBHqBg
Tricky_.#2041: 🙂
r0bbi3#0269: not fall major primer 🥱
Rocket League #esports-announcements#0000: Need to know when your favourite team is playing at the major? Or maybe you just need to know when it starts? All the info for the Fall Major is here:
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