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he was the only one convicted on first degree murder and sentenced to death for those crimes that happened in '94.
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yeah. at the time, boone county, missouri, it-
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in most states, if you have an intellectual disability claim, there is a pre-trial exemption where a judge-
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times due to heirs in the presentation of evidence about the id claim.
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they left it up to the states to determine what that criteria would be.
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really on racial stereotypes and stereotypes of people with disabilities to win over these juries. so the prosecutor in the third trial told the all white jury-
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to rely on their gut, rely on their common sense.
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he's incarcerated and he can play cards-
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complicated card games. and he can play basketball.
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really just urging the jury to rely on-
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that made it unconstitutional to execute someone with an intellectual disability.
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isn't about competency to stand trial. it's more about-
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and i'm speaking as if the assumption that somebody deserves to be killed because they've hurt other people or killed other people.
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so their agency isn't the same as someone who would premeditate something and go out and commit a crime. it's just their-
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without understanding the medical and the clinical reasoning behind it.
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missouri is not of state that is ready for full repeal. so we do what we call abolition by attrition. so we just kind of chip away-
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revising our intellectual disability laws so that they require a pre-trial exemption for people with id claims-
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we don't have a death row, so to speak. they're integrated in a general population, further proving they're not-
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pay attention to prosecutor races in high use counties, as well as... really assist legal teams. we've-
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in order to stop this. and so for ernest johnson's campaign-
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abilities, they base a lot of their pro-life arguments on-
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and so, we really think they're embedded in that community. and that is the issue that could-
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penetrate their, i guess, hearts and minds and make them look at this at a rational-
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can you talk about the importance of that argument and why you're arguing what he had as a jury?
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yeah, sure. i mean, i think that's such a great point. the jury is supposed to be the consciousness of the community. in death penalty cases, a jury has to be what is-
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so while they're selecting jury members, they have to already believe that they can impose-
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these counties that were historically problematic are problematic today. that's where we see our-
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... historical racial terror lynchings in mississippi county.
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we work closely with the equal justice initiatives and they connect this history.
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we know that there is just such a huge disparity on who is sentenced to die in the united states, and that's reflected in missouri.
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in the 1940s, they went inside because it became like a shame.
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in 1972, the death penalty was abolished in the united states because of the racial bias that was apparent.
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... are african american. so then when it came back in 1982, they decided that-
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... white juries, and if we're having these problematic prosecutors.
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but our economics are capital. it-
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that is still the case today, and that's so reflected so strongly in our criminal legal system.
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not just statistically, but when you look at-
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that is very, very evident to us. if you have a private attorney, you're usually getting-
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... your charges dropped to second degree murder through a plea agreement. and if you have a public defender-
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... well researched and well-versed, particularly with lynching being manifested within the use of the death penalty and-
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there wasn't the same due process that we have around the death penalty today. so a lot of times it-
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and then it came back 10 years later and the supreme court said you can't just abolish it because-
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everybody who was sentenced gets a chance to have a retrial where they're able to present what-
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once we can get rid of the top... that's the very tip of the iceberg-
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because the stuff that we're allowing people to murder by-
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... our website. we made our homepage, the clemency for ernest page, and also we have a great coms organizer, so our social media is on fire, i've been told.
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and with the way the united states supreme court is and the supreme court in missouri, we-
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we need your support and we need people to get engaged in the issue.
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and so while that's less than texas-
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please don't be like the media and only focus on it during times of execution because-
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... are in the system, which is what they lack the very most. so lots of ways you can get engaged on very-
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so thanks for asking that. i think it's important that we aren't only focusing during times of execution.
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and you're right, it does have no take backs.
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... to really become an issue that voters care about.
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i think we've come a long way and really-
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this isn't going to happen through a moratorium and-
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... all it did was set up trump to execute 13 people at the end of his regime.
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biden has a moratorium right now, but he's still pursuing-
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i'm inspired by the 24 state abolishing legislatively because-
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once we can tip the scales and get 26 states, 27, 28 states-
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... then we can argue before the supreme court, again, that it is cruel and unusual.
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part of that is that public perception has to change.
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and so as much as our ag and our prosecutors want to try-
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the death penalty is embedded as white supremacy in america, and they go hand in hand.
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our past wrongs needs to happen for, i think, us to realize what the death penalty-
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... actually is and what we are doing by allowing the government to kill in our name.
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but we're just faced... and people that do this work are faced with so many-
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... in all of the work that we do that i understand why it often gets forgotten. so it would be nice to have a little-
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just mercy came out last year, which is a great movie based on the book by bryan stevenson.
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it's bringing it back into the public opinion, and certainly the slaughter by trump-
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... discourse in such a way that there is now a federal death penalty abolition act-
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... in the house and the senate that's trying to work through things in that way. so-
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... that we can, because unfortunately what we know is that states that abo-
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they have very few people left on their row. virginia, i think, had two people left at the time that they abolished, and missouri has 20 right now. so-
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... somehow recused themselves or more specifically recused themself because they say, i cannot-
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but making sure... and this is something that we're working really hard to do.
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so whenever anyone's talking about wrongful convictions, they think about-
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have community coalitions that support them. so we need to hack the culture, so to speak.
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and so the deterrence argument and all of that, it's just so obviously-
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because the far [inaudible 00:06:38] national security establishment has done everything it can to obstruct and prevent-
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the dispatcher will receive the text message on their computer like how popular message apps work how.
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if you think that you're in an unsafe situation, when talking on the phone may put you in danger-
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... know your location and communicate that first.
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the address is the absolute most important piece of information on any 911 call.
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... typical day. well, no day is the same.
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you need to celebrate anything and everything during covid 19. so i'm just going to take this one and run with it.
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and she is just going to talk all about overcoming trauma.
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trust me, i know it sounds intense. it's going to be a good time.
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... all the heart emojis. i mean, i feel very loved with this. thank you, tammy. you are a legend for numerous reasons.
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go hit our facebook page now. we are at facebook.com.
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that's amazing. i love that. thank you for being so vulnerable so quickly.
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you're going to get him so well then. i'm right here for that. that's wonderful, thank you.
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oh, yeah. i appreciate that. so you've released-
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amazing. having someone open up their living room to you. they had just invite friends and family and-
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that is so good. oh, and it's so important. i loved that verse as well. it's something i've clung to so many times.
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and describe to them that, hey, we haven't invited you to just live under our roof.
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i just remember one day, i was actually substitute teaching and we were going to need to sit down at the table and talk about something hard that evening.
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and so, it's amazing how obedience to him-
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... awesome, deep, intense, fun, cool, music-filled episode. even though it was heavy, it made me so happy because i feel like that-
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that was good. as a reward, cory do you have an inspiration diet?
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