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so well that we bang our heads up against.yeah exactly,when we think about politics behind this kind of backdrop.
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it's a pr campaign.yeah.the pentagon-blatantly.pays-
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... in the movie. it's just like the office of national drug control policy does the exact same thing.
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they pay hollywood to make drug dealers the bad guys, right?yes.this has been going on literally for decades.
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angela, do you have any insight into any other-
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but they can lie to you. they can say anything, and it doesn't matter because what's in the fine print is-
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not all these things are... i mean, you have to personal... it's not as if... i mean, to be really clear-
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well, i mean, i'm sorry. [inaudible 00:04:04] understand is this is sort of the normal...
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... the thing that's going to pop up around military bases, and military bases take place on top of land that usually is already occupied by someone else. just the us comes in there and plops a base down.
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as long as everyone is there for the right reasons, being consensual, i...
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also, i wanted to address something else that derek said a little while back. he said, "why don't they just give them a pill to destroy their libido?"
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so that they'll, i don't know, placate them, but that's exactly what they don't want. soldiers fight and kill in a raid.
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oh, if i can... i know you wanted me to keep it kind of a-
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un or il? kim jong-un is not a good guy, fine, but when we go-
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... and it's incredible because the people don't know. they don't have a free press. they don't get information. that-
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... stayed out of it. the people-
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... would not have us to blame for their problems, and they would rise up and overthrow these leaders probably.
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that's what happened after 9/11, they attacked us and we united. so i mean that's-
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that's what we're doing for all of these evil, evil people all over the world.
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try to move on. there's nothing we can do to help. we can't fix it. the more we try to fix it, the worse it gets.
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...caused me to cancel a book contract i had last year. it just seemed like too much of a liability.
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that wouldn't be contaminated by identity politics as you probably intuit. i think identity politics are just poison.
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unless your identity at this point is homosapiens.
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i've got to say that those have just been fantastic. you guys are just... it's so rare to hear two people talk about these topics, honestly.
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i just want to point people in the direction of those podcasts.
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i've been wanting to talk about race and racism for a while because it's a topic of just such huge consequence and-
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... again, attracts a fair amount of logical and confusion, which renders people unable to reason with each other.
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this is not a problem just across racial lines. it's not just a problem in public. frankly, i have white friends.
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this really worries me because i view the maintenance of civilization and our moral progress as a species.
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i've said this many times before on my podcast and in writing. it seems to me that we-
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we live in perpetual choice between conversation and violence. just as a species.
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so when i see conversations reliably fail like this, i start to get worried. i've been wanting to talk about race, and this is just the context of how i set up this conversation.
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i got in touch with him, and then he suggested i speak with you. so you are my virgil who's going to guide me through this wilderness of error. again, thank you for-
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i think you and i are going to agree about many things, and i'm a little worried about this because my staking out some of these positions-
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... as a white guy is going to rub many of our listeners the wrong way. i really don't want to be in a defensive crouch as we have this conversation.
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so i think i should just acknowledge upfront a couple of things that should be obvious, and it should be obvious that i would acknowledge them.
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if there's any way in which my not getting it, seems relevant to the issues we're about to touch. i certainly hope you'll point that out to me.
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but as we drive toward points that many of our listeners will find fairly incendiary-
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... is necessary because, again, even my conversations in private suggest to me that this topic is so radioactive.
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another person or group of people, individual, what one understands to be their racial identity.
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... is not an adequate defense against the charge of racism toward black people-
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... having best friends or even a spouse who is from a different race.
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but we see it for what it is, a fig leaf, and we don't take it seriously, something like that.
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a commitment to enshrining those biases or a sense that those biases are good or something that shouldn't be corrected for. racism can't-
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... a matter of harboring certain biases because it can't be that you-
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you fail to be perfectly neutral on an implicit association test. because if that's the standard-
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so, mazarine is one of the founders of this test and she's used it probably for 20 years.
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it's just been shown that, for instance, many white people will be faster at associating negative concepts with black faces.
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but let's just stipulate that most people will show an in-group bias on the iat and-
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we can even go further and accept that this underlying psychology has something to do with racism. let's say it's either the cause or the consequence or both.
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but racism as a social problem to be condemned and eradicated.
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the endorsement of norms that support that bias. so, it's a person's understanding that he's biased and his further claim-
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... society shouldn't correct for such biases because they're good, because white people really are better than black people.
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someone who wants society to be unfair based on the color of a person's skin.
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the people who voted for obama with enthusiasm, whatever an iat would have shown about them-
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... in the form, in which any real racist worthy of the name would practice it.
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but hence my definition, because i would argue, while it's possible for real racists to make precisely those observations.
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so, let's make it as capacious as possible.
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where you're guarded you're surveil you're...
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and by the way, if the same forces had been coming down with the same degree of severity on white people.
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of the free choices and decisions that are being taken and being made by people in this case, black people who might end up finding themselves.
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that's not to say that in the year 2016-
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... the ambient level of white racism is the ongoing cause of these problems.
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that would magically correct for all of the problems you just articulated. that doesn't follow-
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... something like ta-nehisi coates' picture of reality, where what we should be talking about now is paying reparations for slavery, and-
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... there's a kind of pandering to white guilt and black rage.
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more or less, aimlessly out the window at their gang rivals and killing innocent bystanders along the way. and this happening in the scores.
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what an absurdity. you're telling me-
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... now a sense in the past is pertinent-
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... to our reaction, to this lived experience on a daily basis of african-americans in my american city?
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the cultural elites in washington d.c. and new york city, and gives guilty white people an excuse-
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... not to feel so guilty while you blather on. we're actually burying the dead. andrew might've responded to him like that. he might've told him to get the heck out of here.
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now you've convinced me that we need to stage public debate between you and coates and put it on prime time television. that'll be worth seeing.
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let's talk about the mayhem. let's get into the question of violence.
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america is distinguished as one of the most violent societies in the developed world, as everyone knows.
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almost entirely because of the level of crime and violence in the black community.
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even if you include all the mass shootings from-
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violent crime in america is overwhelmingly a problem-
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... of black men killing other black men.
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and what i just learned in preparation for this podcast, and i'm embarrassed not to have-
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... really had a complete picture of this problem. but you recommended this book, ghetto side, on your podcast.
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a problem, more or less since the end of slavery, it didn't start with the crack epidemic in the '80s, which is more or less what i thought and i think.
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and you can read newspaper editorials in the 19th century-
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... that give the predictable racist top spin to this where they say more or less, this is god's form of population control that the black man kill himself out of existence. that works for us.
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so, this problem of black men killing other black men-
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... is an old problem. and again, i'm not saying that-
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... white racism, or structural racism or both-
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... structures that endure even after that's overcome.
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the facts on the ground is that black men are killing other black men.
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violent crime in america peaked in 1993-
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... perhaps with the exception of a recent uptick-
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... people fear is due to cops now being afraid to be caught on cell phone cameras arresting black suspects. so, this has now been called the ferguson effect.
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an opinion at this point about whether the ferguson effect is actually real or is the jury still out on that?
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i think the jury is still out on it. i don't think enough time has gone by with enough data for there to really be a persuasive, empirical argument. it's speculation. you do have-
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they are afraid to do their jobs, you have this kind of anecdotal evidence. heather mcdonald had an institute whose book the war on cops,
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who has recently been saying at first he thought the ferguson effect was an exaggeration but now with the uptick in
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data of violent crime in cities and so forth, he's not so sure
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as far as i can tell it's not clear one way or the other quite yet. but anyway, you were saying? so
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at its peak violent crime, and this is again 1993 in a city like los angeles.
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the homicide rate for black men in their early twenties
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