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yeah. so she acknowledges the fact that the time and most recently in which there was a real need for women to go into engineering was in world war ii.
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so i stumbled across this book called iggy peck architect.
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the book was a success, and then pretty soon people were asking andrea about a sequel and she didn't just want to write the same story again, about iggy.
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she's sending all these messages to kids and telling them about what we need from them and how our future depends on them and how they should be in engineering.
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the company made arrangements with seven colleges here in the united states, including my own io state
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and amy bix has written about one of these programs in particular, the curtis wright cadets.
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and they picked up about 700 of these women, sent them to these seven campuses and those women got basically a nine month immersion.
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so when you suddenly had a hundred women show up during this wartime atmosphere, it completely changed the atmosphere of the place
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and a lot of questions about what these women were doing here, but it was war time. i've seen advertisements where
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it does have some interesting aspects.
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it's just how incredibly complicated this question of gender and engineering and science and technology and culture are,
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a lot of times when people talk about women in stem or more specifically about women in engineering today, they're talking about increasingly not education, but-
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but instead, what we're having to deal with are first of all, broader questions about women's equity in the workplace in the united states
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for six years and then i went and taught for two years, and then i went back and worked in industry for another five years.
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i started in 2000 and when i got there,
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it was rough in the beginning because you,
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this roll in, and then quick roll out of folks out of engineering.
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to me at the time, i was like, it can't be that bad it's just one and then i don't know if it was some sort of hazing or not, but they took me running for six miles.
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every time i went into the room, i was the only woman and i was certainly the only black woman.
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deanna, i said but i'm from pennsylvania, because i didn't even understand what he was talking about. i hadn't read the newspaper that day. i don't know but i said i'm from pennsylvania. and he's like, [crosstalk 00:00:03:54]
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so tell us a little bit about how you got into civil engineering in particular
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architectural drawings, not civil engineering drawings, but he had my intention because i really liked to draw and i used to draw buildings as well.
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people didn't believe that i could be an engineer. i went home to my mom and
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[inaudible 00:04:19] interior designer and she said, engineering, no, that's a bad idea. you'll flunk out. you're not smart enough to be an engineer.
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i have had a couple of pretty interesting incidents over my career.
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but you must have encountered a culture on the construction site. i mean, i'm just assuming that there is a culture.
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everything worked out great. when i do remember
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this last election being two women running against
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each other.
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yeah. well, tell me a little bit about inquiring minds first and why you're on our show.
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yeah, well thank you very much. yeah, so i'm also canadian, so.sweet.you know
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why women leave stem fields, she asks questions like, how does being raised by a working mom affect how kids think about gender ...
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so they're more likely to major in the life sciences for example, but they're very underrepresented in computer science and in engineering.
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so a lot of universities are putting a lot of resources into increasing the representation of women.
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and to try and answer that question, you went to this enormous data set. tell me about ...
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and if they thought that they would limit their number of children, that they would ...
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because if they do that could be why women aren't going into or staying in these jobs.
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being employed among much more conservative men.
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some of the women in their second years say they're still the only woman who's working in this field.
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so it could be that it's a different environment for them ...
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... and at some point it's wearing.
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yeah. but the other thing i will say is that i ...
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okay, thank you for having me. you're listening to cited and we'll be back in a minute.
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cornell university.right. and she was telling us that the popular explanation that women are not staying in stem fields because ...
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going in the wrong direction.and so we wanted to get a picture of what being a woman in computer science is like, and living in that industry
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and when i spoke with her, i was expecting to hear a lot of horror stories. but the surprising thing about alyssa is that she's loved working in tech since the beginning
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before facebook, before apple, this is a problem that came about later on. mark zuckerberg ended up being like this iconic figure
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people were being so juvenile onstage and that the sexism was so disruptive. that's what changed my mind.so for those of you that
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don't know, tech crunch disrupt is an annual tech conference held in san francisco and new york, and recently in london and beijing too. it's a pretty big deal for the industry
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and the programming, this adult content was really, really inappropriate
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for the environment. it was not only sexist, it was really unprofessional and really inappropriate for a conference
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these very inappropriate adult
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sexual comments, even with children there
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everybody deserves to have a professional work experience and these conferences are an extension of that. conferences should be a professional space. and i don't know why that's so controversial
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when i was running my own companies i didn't see the sexism quite as much. because when you're the boss, you set the tone
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and you see that now, right? like so many women are coming forward with their stories. some of this is the internet too, right? like i remember
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i just pushed them aside and i was only focused on getting to a place where i'd be able to do the work that i wanted to do. i wanted to build
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innovative products with awesome people and that's all that i cared about. that's all i wanted. and i was willing to go through anything to get there. and so a lot of my
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so then tell me, after you have this realization, what changed for you?
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and so i felt like all of that was behind me and that there was this really positive side to being a woman in tech. and that's what i wanted
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being ceo of glimpse. and yeah. and the submissions that i got were all about women being ex
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try harder to fit in more to assert themselves to, some people have said it's about assimilating.
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wants, and they deserve more. lean it is all about
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that they didn't quite fit in and that they didn't want to lean in
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i became an employee and i became a recruiter for a little bit. and i started to see more and more of the industry and more and more stories started to come out
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and it's like i'm going through this ongoing
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managers should be sensitive to that. they should care about everyone on their team, but they would be surprised to discover
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alyssa doesn't like the term leaky pipeline. she thinks it makes the problem too simplistic.
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there's so much to unpack there, but it's now pretty well understood that the pipeline problem ...
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really comes down to a lack of effort.
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i spent a little bit of time as a recruiter, actually trying to really understand this. so the first problem is how we do recruiting and recruiting to
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really get beyond patterns. it takes a lot of time and it's slow. and you have to work really hard to bring people in
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budgeting my time wisely, i had to do this too, which was very frustrating. it's one of the reasons why i'm not doing recruiting anymore
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you have to type in stanford and harvard and try and get the top schools that you expect someone to come ...
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and so companies talk about the pipeline problem, but like what's their pipeline? their pipeline is recruiters sitting on linkedin typing in common keywords
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it's so expensive. it's so time consuming. it's so radically different from how anything is done right now. companies aren't prepared to
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like quadruple their hiring budget and take three times as long. that's a really, really big thing for a company to do
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right.so there's just so many hurdles. it's a bit overwhelming to be honest. like, "wow, how are we ever going to get there
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the trump administration is trying to bring us all back to 1950, so there's that too.
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yeah, yeah. so you are kind of talking.
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yeah. i'm not against that, but part of me thinks it's a bit of a disaster to bring more.
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women are awesome. women are great. if you can't see that, that's what needs to get fixed. and so it's not like, oh, we have to bring more women in.
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she's done a lot of fighting and she's happy to do that.
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yeah, and it's going to be difficult to figure out what that is or maybe we just need to listen to the people who are telling us.
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you would think living right across a set of old railroad tracks from the building, it'd be a whole lot easier to keep track of how often they have these shows.
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it's kind of come full circle. if you haven't seen john cena's.
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because we were out last night, a little bit late.
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it's a rip off of the final delay.yeah.
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what happened this week or actually what happened last week on raw was the wyatt's threw down the challenge for the new day to.
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come to their compound.and the lights would have this compound.exactly.since before they premiered.yeah.
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and they think, oh, they're doing what matt and jeff just did.
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it is and it's really unique to wrestling.
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as off-the-wall goofy as matt hardy has been, as broken matt hardy is.
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except for the fact that they're both at the head of the storylines. bray is.
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there's been a lot of speculation that we'll see a lot of nxt guys.
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and we talked about this the other night. i think the draft.
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yeah. this monday, we've got ambrose and rollins.
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coming out for a championship match, kind of an impromptu championship match that will happen before battleground when the triple threat.
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for a very long time, not to say that the guys that had it otherwise didn't necessarily deserve it, but.
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