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or women are judged on their looks in general. the fact that we even had the conversation with [inaudible 00:04:50].
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the fact that we're discussing women's bodies, and muffin tops, and the way they look, and whether she has a bum or not, and how that equates to her value. that is the larger problem that i'm glad that this.
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is why that the conversation is will never stop being relevant.
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is the ultimate goal still to break it overseas as it were, because if that's the case, then like we had with lerato
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what you're saying is that they're not complicating
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another saartjie baartman type of concept where we don't think you're beautiful. we just think you're [inaudible 00:00:41]
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a different perspective of beauty. they kind of, they are added within that european context. so yes, she's super dark and dark skinned and, but she's still skinny and yes, she's an [inaudible 00:00:51]
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and that's why she is put on all those magazine runways. she's not a normal
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kind of beauty. that's why they still say in 2015 and an unconventional
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american type of what is beautiful, that that came around the 1960s. same time
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as the feminist movement was kind of making waves and breaking boundaries for women. patio...
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now we not interested in. no interest in the way you look. and so they hint...
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thing is people say i knew this would happen. say
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i can't wear any of the stuff from these famous designers because they're not designed for me. okay. we'll talk about that in a moment. my guest is melisuthu [crosstalk 00:01:32]
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what you see in american runways and european
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runways the curvy figure,that's becoming more popularized and that's as a result of
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popular culture, not necessarily the fashion industry, the one might influence the other
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clothes that are fitted for a more realistic looking woman. the fact that
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are very much ruled by what happens on those european runways mm-hmm (affirmative)
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coming up to seeing sexual abuse, isn't part of the creative, process or models being put in a situation where
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we, we don't get to see that in magazines. what's that about? what's happening behind the scenes?
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the conditioning has been largely towards skinny models and the sexualization of women's bodies.
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it thrives on literally trading on the shapes of women and what this
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new movement speaks to is, is the abuses that go on behind the scenes, where these girls get to places like new york, expecting
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pity as they live in 16 people in a room they're getting they being worked like cattle for like 13 hours a day.
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a bit where his, his behind the scenes, sexualization and abuse of models started coming to the fall. when
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i was told i was going to be fully dressed and people called him uncle terry, terry decided,
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no, can i take my top off a little bit and spread my legs here? you know, very inappropriate behavior that coming to the fall, and then suddenly images.
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this, the imagery was, was quite clear that this guy has been sexualizing little girls under the auspices of
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that a lot of these women escape in eastern europe or as refugees and in african countries and thinking that they're going to get to europe and [inaudible 00:03:20]
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image, but behind the scenes, it's not sexy. it's a uv. it's a lot of,
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but without these bodies, there'll be no fashion industry. right?
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i'm thinking here, i take no pleasure in seeing a super skinny model
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what it is that appeals to them. i don't find anything wrong with it.
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mm. i think that the fashion industry is it's an easy target because that it's the business.
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you, okay i'll elaborate on this in a moment because the different forms of oppression. yeah.
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i think if marie claire or vogue came out and said, oh, bums are back. and lots of people on twitter was
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that the thing is now doesn't mean that it means obviously we've been invisible to you. and the reason.
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i think compiler hates women that is from judy and david. if black women want to stop emulating western standards of beauty, then why the obsession with straight hair,
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my producers are telling me because i saw this article and
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that's the problem. isn't it? that we get bogged down with a particular angle. and i'm owning that whether you're talking about women abuse and then not enough, spot
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light or trivialize, we're making jokes, even on
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women who abused, who abused men as well. i mean, we can look at the stats and all of that, but the point
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we live in, there's a hierarchy of problems. there's a hierarchy of.
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why is it that tall particular looking men get by ...
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that's just part of human nature. the big fight that, i'm a soldier of this.
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mm mm. you know more about fashion and trends than i do.
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i love that it's not about the look and feel of the material.
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i haven't changed. my politics haven't changed. i'm still the same person.
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i'm sporting an afro right now. i've been like this for like six weeks.
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one day i'll wake and i'll feel like braids, and that's what i'll do. one day i'll wake up and i'll straighten.
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what i'm saying is that, can i set the agenda on what hair style i have at that particular time?
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is it necessarily true that when i'm sporting straight hair ...
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white woman, or western woman, or whatever that is. i think that it's the narrowness of that debate that gets my goat.
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i think it's both narrow and wide. i think, as an individual, in an ideal world, honestly, no one should be able to tell you how to wear your hair. but we don't live in an ideal world. we live in a world where there is texture.
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why is it that we are going so far to have straighter hair? why is our hair ...
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i said africans, but the hairstyle that you have and the hairstyle that i have ...
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normal understanding of it. that comes from, psychologically, a place of a discomfort and an innate lack of acceptance for who we are.
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because our hair is extremely political. but it also has a lot of history the way it has evolved over time is very interesting. it's not just gonna be ...
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i can't remember. i had an afro again.
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as i do every afternoon. we're going to buy a book.
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we become buddies. it's like ...
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cleaner to me. basically i must go clench my hair. then she looks at ...
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to this thing piercing your hair. she's got a lovely, beautiful ...
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it's in little ribbons. one day it's not. one day she doesn't want anyone to touch her hair.
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she's 17 months old now. you tell me if i must wake up in the morning and fight with a 17 month old to put a comb through her hair or straighten ...
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at 17 months old where a little girl's hair is probably a bit tired. it's absolutely normal, as beautiful as it is, but now she's probably gonna develop a complex. oh, mama. my hair ...
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that would have been fantastic. that would have been really good to have you across the table.
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it's difficult. it's not easy. i am far too ...
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what a needy bugger.
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what is it called? it's self-preservation. i'm thinking about myself now. you can move to canada.
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unfortunately she loves security and safety. so we are at odds.
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then we've got to talk about how to make our children confident, because everybody wants their child to be confident. what did your parents do to you?
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i don't think they were consciously building my confidence. i think it's about validation when you do well.
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the slightest thing. so the child did something nice, which is normal for other people, and they heap praise on it. don't do that either.
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a self-confident person grows better into their own self knowledge. if they get to understand their best ...
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if people grew up without that. or somewhere along the way, in the early years, your confidence took a knock, can it be reestablished?
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attitude can we changed any type if you're willing. there's the big if, if you're willing.
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studying. you don't achieve your goals and your confidence takes and knock. whatever is happening.
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the people around you probably care about you. they're desperate.
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if children don't have good self ...
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where and how can one repair that low self esteem that was missing when the child was small?
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it's definitely easier if you have presence of parents.
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let's recognize it. the little people have a brain that is incredibly complex and it's relatively empty.
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so, it's like a sponge that's dry, and it's sucking up everything.
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you smile at the child, you read that with a child, you sing with a child,-
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... you dance with the child. that engagement is the foundation of self-confidence, because the child gets a feeling, "i matter." and-
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... the child gets to know what the child can actually do.
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absolutely, good luck to you [sue 00:00:44].
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[sim 00:00:45], what a lovely calling. must i really comment on this? you're calling in as a stutterer, former stutterer on a live radio show.that's incredible, that's-hello.
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and that was a very good and very insightful helper, psychologist, mentor, who said, "put it in perspective [crosstalk 00:00:08]
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i'm an executive coach, i coach a lot of times. quick example, the woman who was in it, [crosstalk 00:00:14]
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how does that work in the transition of a person? [crosstalk 00:00:18]
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you submit because you want to climb, you will submit because you want to be successful. [crosstalk 00:00:23]
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you are doubting this because you're not feeling in your own skin. [crosstalk 00:00:28]
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i am actually feeling foreign, the way i dress. assertiveness is, "i stayed who i am, what i am, [crosstalk 00:00:38]
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without hurting anybody else, but without making excuses." [crosstalk 00:00:43]
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isn't it wonderful a transition from gray suits to floral dress? [crosstalk 00:00:49].
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yeah. okay. let's go to juanita in santan. good morning. [crosstalk 00:00:57].
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one who was reprimanded by a teacher, burst into tears and totally lost his self-confidence because he'd lost his pe shorts. [crosstalk 00:01:08]
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