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"Robert Knowles" <p00261@psilink.com>
Re: KORESH IS GOD!
Kupajava, East of Krakatoa
>DATE: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14:15:20 +0100 >FROM: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> > >The latest news seems to be that Koresh will give himself up once he's >finished writing a sequel to the Bible. > >mathew Writing the Seven Seals or something along those lines. He's already written the first of the Seven which was arou...
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decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
Re: some thoughts.
AT&T
In article <madhausC5yD87.KIp@netcom.com>, madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes: > healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) writes: > > > >Tammy "See, Maddi, I trimmed it!" Healy > > Well, you're going to have to practice, but you're getting > the hang of it. Soon we're going to have to give you a new > nickname....
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jimh@carson.u.washington.edu (James Hogan)
Re: What's a shit shoveler to do? (was Re: Amusing atheists and)
University of Washington, Seattle
In article <timmbake.735278230@mcl> timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes: > >James Hogan writes: > >[fine sentiments] > >From his very first post Jim assumed an attack of ad hominem, sarcastic >innuendo, i.e., shit to be shoveled. He conveniently forgets this, of course, >and then _whines_ about his boredom. A...
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a137490@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Aario Sami)
Re: note to Bobby M.
Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre
In <1993Apr10.191100.16094@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: >Insults about the atheistic genocide was totally unintentional. Under >atheism, anything can happen, good or bad, including genocide. And you know why this is? Because you've conveniently _defined_ a theist as someone who...
0alt.atheism
aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
Re: Gulf War / Selling Arms
Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
Mark McCullough (mccullou@snake10.cs.wisc.edu) wrote: : I heard about the arms sale to Saudi Arabia. Now, how is it such a grave : mistake to sell Saudi Arabia weapons? Or are you claiming that we shouldn't : sell any weapons to other countries? Straightforward answer please. Saudi Arabia is an oppressive regime th...
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west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar)
Re: Gospel Dating
Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
In article <kmr4.1433.734039535@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: > In article <1993Apr5.163050.13308@wam.umd.edu> west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: > >In article <kmr4.1422.733983061@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. > >Ryan) writes: > >> In article <1993Apr5.025924.11361@...
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keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Re: "Cruel" (was Re: <Political Atheists?)
California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >>They spent quite a bit of time on the wording of the Constitution. >I realise that this is widely held belief in America, but in fact >the clause on cruel and unusual punishments, like a lot of the >rest, was lifted from the English Bill of Rights of 1689. Just bec...
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mikec@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Micheal Cranford)
Re: Rawlins debunks creationism
Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR.
John E. King (king@ctron.com) posts a whopping one liner: * "The modern theory of evolution is so inadequate that it deserves to be * * treated as a matter of faith." -- Francis Hitching * I have a few points to make about the above posting. 1. Science is not based on and does not consis...
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I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)
Re: islamic authority over women
Technical University Braunschweig, Germany
In article <C5rACM.41q@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu> bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes: >I can't recall anyone claiming that God -makes- anyone act a particlar >way, I think that you're attempting to manufacture a contradiction. A world creator god does, the moment it creates the world. And to sayi that you ...
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decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
Re: some thoughts.
AT&T
In article <EDM.93Apr15104322@gocart.twisto.compaq.com>, edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) writes: > >>>>> On Thu, 15 Apr 1993 04:54:38 GMT, bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) said: > > DLB> First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It > DLB> makes sense to be one. Have any of you r...
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frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer)
Re: Bayesian Statistics, theism and atheism
Siemens-Nixdorf AG
In article <1993Apr24.165301.8321@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) writes: #In article <1quei1$8mb@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: #>In article <1993Apr15.181924.21026@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) writes: [I write:] #>>>...
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keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Re: Keith IS a relativist!
California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Desert Brat) writes: >Keith, if you start wafffling on about how it is different for a human >to maul someone thrown into it's cage (so to speak), you'd better start >posting tome decent evidence or retract your 'I think there is an absolute >morality' blurb a few weeks ago. Did I cl...
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aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
Re: Death Penalty / Gulf War (long)
Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
Mark McCullough (mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu) wrote: : >Prove it. I have a source that says that to date, the civilian death count : >(er, excuse me, I mean "collateral damage") is about 200,000. : : I have _never_ seen any source that was claiming such a figure. Please : post the source so its reliability can be jud...
0alt.atheism
kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Re: Gospel Dating
Case Western Reserve University
In article <1993Apr6.021635.20958@wam.umd.edu> west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: >Fine... THE ILLIAD IS THE WORD OF GOD(tm) (disputed or not, it is) > >Dispute that. It won't matter. Prove me wrong. The Illiad contains more than one word. Ergo: it can not be the Word of God. But, if you will humb...
0alt.atheism
acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu
Re: thoughts on christians
Macalester College
In article <1993Apr15.050750.3893@nuscc.nus.sg>, cmtan@iss.nus.sg (Tan Chade Meng - dan) writes: > sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: > : In article <1q338l$cva@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric > : Molas) wrote: > : > Christianity is an infectious cult. The reasons it flourishes are > : > ...
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kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Re: Where are they now?
Case Western Reserve University
In article <1ql0d3$5vo@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> geoff@East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top) writes: >Your posting provoked me into checking my save file for memorable >posts. The first I captured was by Ken Arromdee on 19 Feb 1990, on the >subject "Re: atheist too?". That was article #473 here...
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kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Re: 27 fundamental beliefs of SDA
Case Western Reserve University
In article <healta.183.735790222@saturn.wwc.edu> healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) writes: > I was asked to post list of the SDA Church's basic beliefs. The SDA >church has always been reluctant to formalize a creed in the usual sense of >word. However, the powers that be in the church deemed it neccessary...
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I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)
Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Technical University Braunschweig, Germany
In article <1r0fpv$p11@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: (Deletion) ># Point: Morals are, in essence, personal opinions. Usually >#(ideally) well-founded, motivated such, but nonetheless personal. The >#fact that a real large lot of people agree on some moral question, >#sometimes...
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livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
sgi
In article <1qjclt$nh7@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> In article <1qiore$20b@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> # |> #The intended audience is the set of people who *are* convinced |> #by those arguments, who therefore finish up as church member...
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jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com
Re: Gulf War / Selling Arms
null
In article <930420.113512.1V3.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes: > mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes: From a parallel thread. Much about definitions of bombs, etc. deleted. [...] > >> Aaaahhh. Tell me, how many innocents were killed in concentration camps? >> mm-hm...
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qpliu@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (q.p.liu)
Re: free moral agency
Princeton University
In article <kmr4.1575.734879106@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.000406.10984@Princeton.EDU> qpliu@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (q.p.liu) writes: > >>>So while Faith itself is a Gift, obedience is what makes Faith possible. >>What makes obeying different from believing? > I am stil...
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keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Re: Is Keith as ignorant as he seems?
California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
mam@mouse.cmhnet.org (Mike McAngus) writes: >>>No, everything wouldn't be OK, but it would be a start. >>Now wait, if the religious organizations were no longer tax-exempt, what >>other beef could you have? They would then have as much right to lobby >>as would any other group. >You asked "would everything be okay". ...
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halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)
Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
null
>>#> >>#> In article <1qk1pp$6hj@kyle.eitech.com> ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes: >>#So what? The value I assign the results is as real *to me* as they can get. >>#I'm just not limited to how things are valuable to me. Aside from our own >>#desires for its results, science has no value. Nevertheless, it st...
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geoff@East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top)
Re: Where are they now?
SunSelect
Your posting provoked me into checking my save file for memorable posts. The first I captured was by Ken Arromdee on 19 Feb 1990, on the subject "Re: atheist too?". That was article #473 here; your question was article #53766, which is an average of about 48 articles a day for the last three years. As others have noted...
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keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Re: Political Atheists?
California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang) writes: >I was looking for a rigorous definition because otherwise we would be >spending the rest of our lives arguing what a "Christian" really >believes. I don't think we need to argue about this. >KS>Do you think that the motto points out that this country is proud >KS>of its freed...
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arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
In article <930423.103637.3O4.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes: >> > There's no objective physics; Einstein and Bohr have told us that. >> Speaking as one who knows relativity and quantum mechanics, I say: >> Bullshit. >Speaking as someone who also knows relativity and quantum mechanics,...
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timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons)
Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics
null
Maddi Hausmann chirps: >timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes: > >>First of all, you seem to be a reasonable guy. Why not try to be more >honest >>and include my sentence afterwards that >Honest, it just ended like that, I swear! That's nice. >Hmmmm...I recognize the warning signs...alternating polite and ...
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livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism
sgi
In article <1qjf31$o7t@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> In article <1qimbe$sp@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> #In article <1qif1g$fp3@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> #|> In article <1qialf$p2m@fido.asd.sgi....
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mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is oxymoronic?
Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) writes: > Oh goody, I get to defend China again on alt.atheism. Just exactly what > 'policy of mandatory forced abortion in Tibet' are we talking about here? > What are the words 'policy' and 'mandatory' doing there - you mean there > is a law requiring all (or even some...
0alt.atheism
kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Re: Smullyanism for the day.....
Case Western Reserve University
In article <1r8tpi$4pu@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> geoff@East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top) writes: >[This Raymond Smullyan quote is too big for a .sig, but deserves posting IMHO.] To big for a .sig? No way! Keith " Home of the billdboard .sig files " Ryan =) --- Private note to Je...
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I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)
Re: atheist?
Technical University Braunschweig, Germany
In article <ePVk2B3w165w@mantis.co.uk> Tony Lezard <tony@mantis.co.uk> writes: (Deletion) >> In other words, if there were gods, they would hardly make sense, and >> it is possible to explain the phenomenon of religion without gods. >> >> The concept is useless, and I don't have to introduce new assumptions >> in ord...
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tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)
Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U
In article <1qkjvc$4jv@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >If I can predict with almost 100% accuracy that Americans prefer to own their >portions of the US than an infinitesmal portion of $1, in what sense are >these values not objective? Ahhhh. I see what you mean now. But in th...
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lefty@apple.com (Lefty)
Re: I'll see your demand and raise you... (was Re: After 2000 years etc)
Our Lady of Heavy Artillery
In article <1993Apr19.203616.21280@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, ece_0028@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (David Anderson) wrote: > > In article <930419.103239.5M4.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes: > > > >Prove that you exist, Frank. > >mathew > > Cogito, ergo sum. :) OK. Prove you _think_. -...
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David O Hunt <bluelobster+@CMU.EDU>
Re: Death Penalty / Gulf War (long)
Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com >Actually, it was the fact that both situations existed that prompted US >and allied action. If some back-water country took over some other >back-water country, we probably wouldn't intervene. Not that we don't >care, but we can't be the world's policman. Or if a coup had occured >in...
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kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Re: Contradictions
Case Western Reserve University
In article <C52oys.2CLJ@austin.ibm.com> yoder@austin.ibm.com (Stuart R. Yoder) writes: >: >: Then what would it have to do with "in the universe"? You theists >: cannot understand that inside the universe and outside the universe >: are two different places. Put God outside the universe and you >: subtract from it t...
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Nanci Ann Miller <nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Re: It's all Mary's fault!
Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) writes: > Nice attempt Chris . . . verrry close. > > You missed the conspiracy by 1 step. Joseph knew who knocked her up. > He couldn't let it be known that somebody ELSE got ol' Mary prego. That > wouldn't do well for his popularity in the local circles. So what > ha...
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pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker)
Re: Rawlins debunks creationism
I didn't do it, nobody saw me, you can't prove a thing.
In article <1993Apr15.223844.16453@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) wrote: > > We are talking about origins, not merely science. Science cannot > explain origins. For a person to exclude anything but science from > the issue of origins is to say that there is no higher truth > ...
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kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Re: Gospel Dating
Case Western Reserve University
In article <C4vyFu.JJ6@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu> bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes: >Keith M. Ryan (kmr4@po.CWRU.edu) wrote: >: >: Wild and fanciful claims require greater evidence. If you state that >: one of the books in your room is blue, I certainly do not need as much >: evidence to believe than if...
0alt.atheism
healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy)
Re: YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL!!!
Walla Walla College
In article <C5s9zM.9E0@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes: >From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) >Subject: Re: YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL!!! >Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:11:38 GMT >In article <C5LH4p.27K@portal.hq.videocart.com>, dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) writ...
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livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Re: Moraltiy? (was Re: <Political Atheists?)
sgi
In article <1r5cmnINNb8@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >Pardon me? *I* am trying to apply human terms to non-humans? |> |> That's right. You are basically stating that morality can only deal with |> humans, because ...
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eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (C.Wainwright)
Re: Albert Sabin
Nottingham University
In article <1993Apr15.225657.17804@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: |> |> Since you have referred to the Messiah, I assume you are referring |> to the New Testament. Please detail your complaints or e-mail if |> you don't want to post. |> First-century G...
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wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins)
Re: Rawlins debunks creationism
DGSID, Atlanta, GA
In article <2BC8B03B.29868@ics.uci.edu>, bvickers@net1.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes: |> wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: |> >Science and the Bible are not in contradiction. God can supercede the |> >scientific "laws" as man understands them. Creation is a good |> >example. God has the power to crea...
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()
Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]
Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
In article <115561@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) wrote: >Khomeini advocates the view that > there was a series of twelve Islamic leaders (the Twelve Imams) who > are free of error or sin. This makes him a heretic. > Wow, you're quicker to point out heresy than the Church in the Middle ages. Seriously t...
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mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)
Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses (good grief!)
null
The amount of energy being spent on ONE LOUSY SYLLOGISM says volumes for the true position of reason in this group. -- C. Wingate + "The peace of God, it is no peace, + but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe + the marv'...
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John A. Johnson <J5J@psuvm.psu.edu>
Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Penn State University
In article <1r39kh$itp@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) says: > [ . . .] >Specifically, I'd like to know what relativism concludes when two >people grotesquely disagree. Is it: > >(a) Both are right > >(b) One of them is wrong, and sometimes (though perhaps rarely) we have a > pretty good ...
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twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Re: [soc.motss, et al.] "Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"
Blasny Blasny, Consolidated (Amherst, MA Offices)
In article <1993Apr6.041343.24997@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes: >Roger and I have >clearly stated our support of the BSA position on the issue; >specifically, that homosexual behavior constitutes a violation of >the Scout Oath (specifically, the promise to live "morally straight")...
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nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics
University of Wisconsin Eau Claire
[reply to timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons] >...the same kind of ignorance is demonstrated in just about every post >in this newsgroup. For instance, generalizations about Christianity >are popular. Which newsgroup have you been reading? The few anti-Christian posts are virtually all in response to some Christ...
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kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
We don't need no stinking subjects!
The Loyal Order Of Keiths.
In article <1ql1avINN38a@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes: >>keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >>>kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes: > >>No, if you're goin...
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Patrick C Leger <pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Re: thoughts on christians
Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Excerpts from netnews.alt.atheism: 15-Apr-93 Re: thoughts on christians by Dave Fuller@portal.hq.vi > I'm sick of religious types being pampered, looked out for, and WORST > OF ALL . . . . respected more than atheists. There must be an end > in sight. > I think it'd help if we got a couple good atheists (or even ...
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I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)
Re: An Anecdote about Islam
Technical University Braunschweig, Germany
In article <114140@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >>>>> In cases of prostitution >>>>>both the man and the prostitute would be punished in public, quite >>>>>severely. (Deletion) > >>No Gregg, you cannot say A is lenient and A punishes severely in public. >>Unless, of course, it is one of the ...
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mls@ulysses.att.com (Michael L. Siemon)
Re: Albert Sabin
AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ, USA
In article <1r67ruINNmle@ctron-news.ctron.com> king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes: > >rfox@charlie.usd.edu writes: > >[Discussion on Josephus inserts] > >Thanks. Am I correct, then, in assuming that that Josephus >did in fact write about Jesus, but Christian copists embellished it? "Correct" overstates the case. T...
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timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons)
Re: Amusing atheists and anarchists
null
mccullou@whipple.cs.wisc.edu writes: >My turn >I went back and reread your post. All you did is attack atheism, and >say that agnosticism wasn't as funny as atheism. Nowhere does that >imply that you are agnostic, or weak atheist. As most people who post >such inflammatory remarks are theists, it was a reasonable a...
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mam@mouse.cmhnet.org (Mike McAngus)
Re: Americans and Evolution
The cat is on the mat
On Tue, 20 Apr 1993 04:49:18 GMT bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) wrote: >Robert Singleton (bobs@thnext.mit.edu) wrote: >: > Sure it isn't mutually exclusive, but it lends weight to (i.e. increases >: > notional running estimates of the posterior probability of) the >: > atheist's pitch in the partition, and thus...
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jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Re: The Inimitable Rushdie
Boston University Physics Department
In article <C5HKv2.Epv@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: >In article <115256@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >>Judaism, for one. Maddi has confirmed this for one. And again I >>reiterate that one can easily leave the religion at any time, >>simply by making a p...
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acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (Turin Turambar, ME Department of Utter Misery)
Re: Christian Morality is
Macalester College
In article <4963@eastman.UUCP>, dps@nasa.kodak.com (Dan Schaertel,,,) writes: > In article 21627@ousrvr.oulu.fi, kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) writes: > |>Dan Schaertel,,, (dps@nasa.kodak.com) wrote: > |> > |> > |>I love god just as much as she loves me. If she wants to seduce me, > |>she'll know what to do. > ...
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jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]
Boston University Physics Department
In article <1993Apr10.123858.25059@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes: >Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote: >> Khomenei was a jerk and so were plenty of >>British "leaders", so what? >>THE QUR'AN is the basis of judgement. Khomenei was clearly a heretic >>by the standards of th...
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nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
Re: He has risen!
University of Wisconsin Eau Claire
[reply to kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)] >Our Lord and Savior David Keresh has risen! >He has been seen alive! >Spread the word! Jeez, can't he get anything straight. I told him to wait for three days. GOD David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but w...
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mam@mouse.cmhnet.org (Mike McAngus)
Re: Death Penalty (was Re: Political Atheists?)
The cat is on the mat
On Tue, 20 Apr 1993 04:32:59 GMT bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) wrote: >This is fascinating. Atheists argue for abortion, defend homosexuality >as a means of population control, insist that the only values are >biological and condemn war and capital punishment. According to >Benedikt, if something is contardictor...
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jboxhorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Joseph E Boxhorn)
Re: Albert Sabin
Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
In article <1993Apr2.082500.28753@smds.com> rh@smds.com writes: > If I recall correctly there >are protist cells that can divide and multiply quite readily without >nuclear DNA. If memory serves me correctly this is the case with white >cells in the blood. [I rely on some indig...
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kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko)
Re: Consciousness part II - Kev Strikes Back!
University of Oulu, Finland
Scott D. Sauyet (SSAUYET@eagle.wesleyan.edu) wrote: > In <1993Apr21.163848.8099@cs.nott.ac.uk> > Kevin Anthony (kax@cs.nott.ac.uk) writes: > > Firstly, I'm not impressed with the ability of algorithms. They're > > great at solving problems once the method has been worked out, but not > > at working out the method its...
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livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]
sgi
In article <115565@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: |> In article <1qi3l5$jkj@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >I hope an Islamic Bank is something other than BCCI, which |> >ripped off so many small depositors among the Muslim |> >community in the Uk and els...
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mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Re: Are atoms real? (was Re: After 2000 years blah blah blah)
Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) writes: >mathew (mathew@mantis.co.uk) wrote: >> What is the difference between a "_chemist_" and someone who is taught >> Chemistry at, say, Cambridge University? > > Put like this, I can't answer. I was originally pointing out that your > attitude _seemed to be_ (I don't know if i...
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mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)
Re: Gospel Dating
null
>So then, you require the same amount of evidence to believe that I >a) own a pair of bluejeans and b) have superhuman powers? Well, I could use the argument that some here use about "nature" and claim that you cannot have superhuman powers because you are a human; superhuman powers are beyond what a human has, and s...
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eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (A.Wainwright)
Re: Rawlins debunks creationism
Nottingham University
In article <1993Apr15.223844.16453@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: |> We are talking about origins, not merely science. Science cannot |> explain origins. For a person to exclude anything but science from |> the issue of origins is to say that there is no higher truth |>...
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sjchmura@ellis.uchicago.edu (steven joseph chmura)
Re: The _real_ probability of abiogenesis (was Re: Albert Sabin)
University of Chicago
In article <1q23qfINN91b@ctron-news.ctron.com> king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes: > > >adpeters@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Andy Peters)writes: > >>>As I recall the figure for just one of the molecules forming is 1 : 10^-114. > >If amino acids were somehow formed in an organic soup, they must get out of >it if they ...
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mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Re: Are atoms real? (was Re: After 2000 years blah blah blah)
Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) writes: > mathew (mathew@mantis.co.uk) wrote: > : And I agree. I think you merely misunderstood the point I was trying to > : make, which is that we simplify the real situation to something we can deal > : with. For instance, we talk about electron pairs, and draw diagrams of > : ...
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keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster?
California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
cmtan@iss.nus.sg (Tan Chade Meng - dan) writes: >I somewhat agree with u. However, what it comes to (theist) religion, >it's a different matter. That's because religion is like a drug, once u >use it, it's very difficult to get out of it. That's because in >order to experience a religion, u necessarily have to hav...
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mtabbott@unix.amherst.edu (MTA)
Atheism survey
Amherst College
I am doing research on atheism, part of which involves field research here on the net. The following is a survey directed towards all readers of this group, intended to get data about the basis of atheistic belief. I would seriously appreciate it if each and every one of you would fill it out and mail it back to me a...
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kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Case Western Reserve University
In article <1qkj31$4c6@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > >I'm not willing to attempt this until someone provides an objective >basis for the notion that science is useful, worthy, or important in >dealing with observed facts. Alternatively, you could try to >demonstrate to me that sci...
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oser@fermi.wustl.edu (Scott Oser)
Re: Studies on Book of Mormon
Washington University Astrophysics
I think that _The_Transcedental_Temptation_, by Paul Kurtz, has a good section on the origins of Mormonism you might want to look at. -Scott O.
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kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Re: some thoughts.
Case Western Reserve University
In article <C63AEC.FB3@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes: >The "R Us" thing is trademarked. I don't know if Charles >Lazarus is dead or alive, but I'd be careful, because with >a name like Lazarus, he might rise again just to start a >lawsuit. The "R Us" is not trademarked, but th...
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kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko)
Re: Christian Morality is
University of Oulu, Finland
Dan Schaertel,,, (dps@nasa.kodak.com) wrote: Since this is alt.atheism, I hope you don't mind if we strongly disagree... : The fact is God could cause you to believe anything He wants you to. : But think about it for a minute. Would you rather have someone love : you because you made them love you, or because they ...
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livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
sgi
In article <1qkjvc$4jv@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> In article <1qk1md$6gs@kyle.eitech.com> ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes: |> #In article <1qjbn0$na4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> #>In article <kmr4.1571.734847050@po.CWRU.edu> ...
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keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster?
California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
mam@mouse.cmhnet.org (Mike McAngus) writes: >Let me see if I understand what you are saying. In order to talk >knowledgeably about religion, Atheists must first have been so immersed >in a religion that only the rare individual could have left. No, you don't understand. I said that I don't think people can disc...
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simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale)
Re: Americans and Evolution, now with free Ockham's Razor inside
Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Sorry about the delay in responding, due to conference paper deadline panic. In article <1qsnqqINN1nr@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> bobs@thnext.mit.edu (Robert Singleton) writes: >In article <1993Apr18.043207.27862@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> >simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) writes: [Alarming amounts of agreement ...
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jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Re: An Anecdote about Islam
Boston University Physics Department
In article <16BB112949.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >In article <115287@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >>>>>A brutal system filtered through "leniency" is not lenient. >>>>Huh? >>>How do you rate public floggings or floggings at all? Chop...
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battin@cyclops.iucf.indiana.edu (Laurence Gene Battin)
Re: The Universe and Black Holes, was Re: 2000 years.....
Indiana University
On re-reading this, I decided there was something else I'd like to add to my earlier comments... Please forgive me if I get any attributions wrong here... Also, this isn't really appropriate to talk.origins, but I hope you all will excuse me just this once, as they say... In article <C5tx38.Av8@usenet.ucs.indiana.ed...
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kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Case Western Reserve University
In article <1qkoel$5fr@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >Good question, my point was that a world with truth is better than a world >with falsehood. A world in which it were possible to say "yes, I am >holding a Jew" (the truth) and you, me, the Jew, and the SS guy all sit >down to cr...
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mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Re: Death Penalty / Gulf War (long)
Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: > I don't regret the fact that sometimes military decisions have to be made > which affect the lives of innocent people. But I do regret the > circumstances which make those decisions necessary, and I regret the > suffering caused by those decisions. "I'm afraid I'm going to have ...
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aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
Re: Death Penalty / Gulf War (long)
Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
Mark McCullough (mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu) wrote: : This figure, is far below all the other figures I have seen. If it : is indeed accurate, then how do you explain the discrepancy between : that figure, and other figures from international organizations? : Most figures I have seen place the hit ratio close to 70%,...
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rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota)
Re: Americans and Evolution
The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.
In article <1pik3i$1l4@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >In article <C4u51L.8Bv@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes: >|> >|> >|> Why do you spend so much time posting here if your atheism is so >|> incidental, if the question of God is trivial? Fe...
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"Robert Knowles" <p00261@psilink.com>
Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was
Kupajava, East of Krakatoa
>DATE: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:23:54 GMT >FROM: Umar Khan <khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil> > > His conclusion was that, >while he was impressed that what little the Holy Qur'an had to >say about science was accurate, he was far more impressed that the >Holy Qur'an did not contain the same rampant errors evidenced in >the Tr...
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I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)
Re: islamic genocide
Technical University Braunschweig, Germany
In article <1qi83b$ec4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: (Deletion) >#>Few people can imagine dying for capitalism, a few >#>more can imagine dying for democracy, but a lot more will die for their >#>Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who Died on the Cross for their Sins. >#>Motivation, pure...
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acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu
Re: some thoughts.
Macalester College
In article <bissda.4.734849678@saturn.wwc.edu>, bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It That's okay: it's what all the rest of them who come on here say... > makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, > ...
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kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Re: <Political Atheists?
Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
In article <1r5e1vINNkn@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes: > >>>>Wait. Are we talking about ethics or morals here? >>>Is the distinction important? >>Yes. > >Well, make it. Ethics deal with individuals. Morals...
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jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]
Boston University Physics Department
In article <1993Apr15.215833.15970@bnr.ca> (Rashid) writes: >> What about the Twelve Imams, who he considered incapable of error >> or sin? Khomeini supports this view of the Twelve Imans. This is >> heresy for the very reasons I gave above. >I would be happy to discuss the issue of the 12 Imams with you, althoug...
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conor@owlnet.rice.edu (Conor Frederick Prischmann)
Re: Genocide is Caused by Theism : Evidence?
Rice University
In article <C60A0s.DvI@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> dekorte@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Stephen L. DeKorte) writes: > >I saw a 3 hour show on PBS the other day about the history of the >Jews. Appearently, the Cursades(a religious war agianst the muslilams >in 'the holy land') sparked the widespread persecution of muslilams >and jews in...
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(Rashid)
Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam
NH
In article <1993Apr14.121134.12187@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote: > > >In article <C5C7Cn.5GB@ra.nrl.navy.mil> khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes: Stuff deleted > >>What we should be demanding, is for Khomeini and his ilk to publicly > >>come clean and to show their ...
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cmtan@iss.nus.sg (Tan Chade Meng - dan)
Christianity & Logic (was: Xtian Morality is)
Institute Of Systems Science, NUS
In article <4949@eastman.UUCP> dps@nasa.kodak.com writes: >Simple logic arguments are folly. If you read the Bible you will see >that Jesus made fools of those who tried to trick him with "logic". > If you rely simply on your reason then you will never >know more than you do now. ^^^^^^ I once hear...
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I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)
Re: Genocide is Caused by Theism : Evidence?
Technical University Braunschweig, Germany
In article <1qibo2$f4o@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > >#>In the absence of some convincing evidence that theist fanatics are more >#>dangerous than atheist fanatics, I'll continue to be wary of fanatics of >#>any stripe. ># >#I think that the agnostic fanatics are the most dangero...
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cfaehl@vesta.unm.edu (Chris Faehl)
Re: free moral agency
University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
In article <C5v2Mr.1z1@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes: [deleted stuff from Andrew wrt which atheist myth is Bill re: to] > > Andrew, > > The myth to which I refer is the convoluted counterfeit athiests have > created to make religion appear absurd. "Counterfeit atheists". Hm...
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qpliu@ernie.Princeton.EDU (q.p.liu)
Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses
Princeton University
In article <1993Apr5.091139.823@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >In article <16BA5DA01.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de>, I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >> But could you give a definition of free will? Especially in the >> presence of an omniscient being? >"Will" is "self-deter...
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mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Re: Gulf War and Peace-niks
Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
mccullou@snake12.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes: > We seem to be agreeing that the soldiers were just doing their job > as best they could, following orders. Proof positive that some people are beyond satire. mathew
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livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Re: Morality? (was Re: <Political Atheists?)
sgi
In article <1ql5snINN4vm@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >>So, you are saying that it isn't possible for an instinctive act |> >>to be moral one? |> > |> >I like to think that many things are possible. Explain to me |>...
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nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
College atheists
University of Wisconsin Eau Claire
I read an article about a poll done of students at the Ivy League schools in which it was reported that a third of the students indentified themselves as atheists. This is a lot higher than among the general population. I wonder what the reasons for this discrepancy are? Is it because they are more intelligent? Youn...
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mam@mouse.cmhnet.org (Mike McAngus)
Re: thoughts on christians
The cat is on the mat
On Wed, 21 Apr 1993 08:16:14 GMT sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) wrote: >In article <C5rGKB.4Fs@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu [re. Conner's questioning of the blissful afterlife as a reason why many joined the early Xian church] >Well, as I remember Jacoby's "Mythmaker" talks about this t...
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jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]
Boston University Physics Department
In article <1993Apr10.124753.25195@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes: >Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote: >>Well, it seemed slightly incongruous to find the Union Jack flying >>at City Hall in Belfast. >May I ask why? It's there not because the British want it there (NI >is j...
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simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale)
Re: islamic authority over women
Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
In article <1993Apr5.023044.19580@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: > One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say "Mom", > because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men. > Compare that with how homos are raised. Do a study and you will get my >...
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kax@cs.nott.ac.uk (Kevin Anthoney)
Re: Consciousness part II - Kev Strikes Back!
Nottingham University
In article <1993Apr17.045559.12900@ousrvr.oulu.fi> kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) writes: >Kevin Anthoney (kax@cs.nott.ac.uk) wrote: > >: This post is probably either brilliant or insane. Do let me know >: which... :-) > >A brilliant example of using the introspective objection against >materialist theories of ...
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mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)
A Remarkable Admission
null
Jon Livesey writes: >I'm certainly not going to attempt to distinguish between different >flavours of Christian, all loudly claiming to be the One True Christian. Well, it's obvious that you *don't* attempt, otherwise you would be aware that they *don't* all "loudly [claim] to be the One True Christian". I've tried ...
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