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Section 1 and Player's ...
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This is almost verbatim how the Tennis Code reads: “1. Courtesy is expected. Tennis is a game that requires cooperation and courtesy.”
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2024-12-07
I like to think of tennis relationship with pickleball like volleyball has with beach tennis and think of it more like badminton
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2024-12-07
Pickleball looks like the racquet sport you play on beach at vacation
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2024-12-07
Thank you, then why is there so much aggression against Picklers'?
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2024-12-07
Because they suck
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2024-12-07
[USTA's "Friend at Court" rulebook](https://www.usta.com/content/dam/usta/coach-organize/content-fragments/resource-library/assets/pdfs/friend-at-court.pdf) outlines a number of etiquette and sportsmanship guidelines. See page 37 (as marked on the page, not the file) of the linked PDF -- "Part 2: The Code" -- as well a...
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2024-12-07
Thank you again! There has to be away, we can all get along
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2024-12-07
Goodness gracious, someone doesn't understand what it means to get along.
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2024-12-07
Why would I get along with people playing the wrong sport on the tennis court I’m trying to use?
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2024-12-07
And how does "walking into a hobby subreddit and accusing them of not having any manners" rank on that list of ways to get along?
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2024-12-07
***Professionals***
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2024-12-07
The pickleball community where I live has done a really great job of advocating for building new courts (or converting and resurfacing unused/run-down courts) specifically so that they and the tennis community don't have to compete for space. There are some shared spaces, of course, but the respective communities do a ...
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2024-12-07
Pickleball isn’t a real sport. It’s for out of shape people to pretend like they can play a sport
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2024-12-07
Well, this is proof! Tennis players have no manners
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2024-12-07
lol read through the post history. It is so on brand that a retired 70 yo Karen obsessed with pickleball posted this and is wondering why people dislike pickleballers (and this nonsensical post). “I’m the problem, it’s me”
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2024-12-07
Thank YOU
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2024-12-07
Luv 2 storm in somewhere unannounced and tell people they're a bunch of rude jerks while spouting falsehoods about what their rulebook includes and then become shocked that they don't all respond politely. Deary me! Heavens to Betsy! Can't we all just hug it out?
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2024-12-07
I'm sorry, the question posted was for a research project. Thanks for the good and the bad, I have new content.
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2024-12-07
Your post was removed as it is considered irrelevant to this subreddit. Please keep all posts relevant in some way to the topic of this subreddit, ie playing tennis. General posts about professional tennis should be posted in our sister sub r/tennis.
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2024-12-07
Upvote
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2024-12-07
Personally feel that AO balls are lighter and softer, whereas ATP Tour balls are heavier and stiffer upon contact anyone feel the same? which is your preference and why
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2024-12-07
U mean dunlop fort? I would say ao is way faster and lighter while dunlop is heavier and slower, bery different to head tour for example which can get even faster
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2024-12-07
No, not dunlop fort, dunlop ATP tour, the can comes in blue and black
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2024-12-07
Do they actually play with it on atp tour tho, i have not tried that so recently to compare
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2024-12-07
I believe so, [https://dunlopsports.com/products/tennis/balls/dunlop-atp/](https://dunlopsports.com/products/tennis/balls/dunlop-atp/)
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2024-12-07
Haven’t tried the ATP ones, but have went through a case of the AO balls and I find their cheaper Dunlop Grand Prix balls significantly better. The AO balls are nice right off the bat but they just deteriorate so quickly compared to the Grand Prixs
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2024-12-07
Yeah i think it fuzzes up pretty fast and ive heard that really slow down the game pace
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2024-12-07
Cool to see players here that are playing at such a high level that these little differences are a big deal.
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2024-12-07
Atp balls bounce higher for a longer time. Ao ones go dead very quickly.
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2024-13-07
I only play with AO because my location tournaments all use this ball. They also last a full set with out being fully ripped to shreds. So I only really play with these.
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2024-13-07
It actually does make quite a difference. Go try out wilson us open vs AO then you'll know
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2024-13-07
Do you find that it's harder and heavier as well compared to AO?
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2024-14-07
Not as heavy as us opens but just a bit heavier than ao
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2024-14-07
Did anyone try this one? I was a big fan of the v13 but those are not available anymore and the v14 seems to be first pro staff on sale i seen How would blade/shift compare? Don’t really trust yonex isometrycs that much and head prestige/extreme seems to be only other good option available
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2024-12-07
Does any pro play with prestige now? Or even the one hander with it? It used to be very popular
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2024-12-07
This used to be a very popular setup during the 90s and it wasn’t until Federer that they went higher. Would it be effective today? Sounds very more maneuvarable and a smaller head should be better flat shots on all sides. With lead sweet spot is not that smaller at all. Why would someone with onehander prefer the b...
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Play with a one hander against someone woth heavy topspin strokes and you will know. Federer switched to the bigger head because even he was shanking it.
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Well your first statement is just objectively wrong. Lots of 1hbh players used >85" in the 90's. Without actually looking up every player, it's definitely close to the vast majority. Federer was probably **the last** person to switch in the 2000's. As far as whether it would be effective today depends on your definit...
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2024-12-07
The only guys I've played with the 85 inch racket and have one handers are old guys stuck at 3.5 forever. Their backhands are still good but the rest of their game isn't. So they strictly stick with that racket because of their backhand haha. Can't speak for them but they really should go 95-100 sq inches.
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2024-12-07
My OHBH gets worse with the heavier smaller headed frames. Like yeah I can hit cleaner when i'm perfectly set up, but I lose all of my ability to counter attack.
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It's an interesting topic why the 1HBH has declined. There are many reasons from strings to surfaces and players getting fitter etc. However, I think it's not an inferior stroke, just different, even today. I think the main reason is that the default mode of tennis today is thought to be endless baseline rallying, an...
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2024-12-07
Yeah, and his stubbornness caused him probably three more slams….
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Because OHBH takes a lot of preparation to be hit perfectly and smaller head size = smaller sweet spot that needs to be hit against today's spin heavy game.
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I play 4.0 and 4.5 and often use a pro staff 6.0 85, with a one hand backhand. I’m 50 yrs old and have basically played with that frame since high school. I play with other modern racquets too. With the 85 pro staff, the main disadvantage is when I’m pressured and have to play defensive shots. But, ironically enough I ...
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2024-13-07
I would be looking to switch 95-97 maybe have to try both but idk about 18x20 to 16x19 difference
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2024-13-07
Anyone tried or played with them? Would definetely try as I was a big fan of the tech, and they allow you full customization! Would wanna hear a review maybe, it is done by same engineer that worked at dunlop.
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I think they are only ones that check their own specs and make sure they are spot on while other companies just sell everything they make and you can end up with two racquets having twenty points different swingweight with the major brands
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2024-12-07
Their products are awesome and their owner is very approachable and will even give input into what racquet may be the best fit. I've owned two at various times and they were fantastic.
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2024-13-07
Hello Everyone. First of all, sorry for my English. It’s not my first language, but I’ll try my best. I really don’t know what’s happening to me because today I just played with an opponent who’s way worse than me. Last Wednesday I was playing with an opponent who plays really well (he’s actually ranked number 5 in t...
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You may just not be used to hitting slower shots and shots that are shallower in the court. If you are unpracticed in hitting those types of shots or of generating your own pace, it can be really easy to hit errors. The answer to that is you need to practice hitting those types of shots. It may also be that you weren...
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2024-12-07
Bad players give you a lot of junk which makes it harder to get a rhythm. A lot of tennis is about timing and consistency and it's harder to do when you aren't getting consistent balls to hit. As with anything, in order to get better at something you need to practice said thing.
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It’s because you’re having to generate your own pace 99% of the time - which is harder than just using the momentum of the quality rally ball coming at you from your opponent. I had this same problem. Even went on a 7-match losing streak to players rated way lower than me. I always wondered why I was such a better pl...
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It's not mental, but technical. As others have said, bad players often throw junk at you, and dealing with junk is the highest form of tennis. It requires great fundamentals, and great technique, too, to work with all kinds of balls. Double faults are a bit mental, I think, you're likely trying to play it safe becaus...
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Playing with lower skill players often leads to more slow pace and potentially vertical incoming ball flight. Both of these require different timing and shot shape than you’d use when hitting with a more advanced player able to hit through the courts with more pace and spin. I struggle with this situations as well and...
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2024-12-07
You are worse than you think 🤣
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Ah welcome to the most frustrating part of tennis! I find this is normally all on me and the other person is just playing their game, no matter how ‘different’ it might be to yours. Keep your focus on your game, keep the racket head speed up and avoid slowing it down. Play progressive and still go for your shots but a...
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What makes you say they're "way worse" than you? If they're that much worse you could've beat them with one arm. But you lost. It seems there's still things you need to work on and this should humble you. That player analyzed your game today and saw his chances to exploit your weaknesses and he attacked them. Sounds ...
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You didn’t exactly explain what makes you the better player and them the worse player. You only explained that you played poorly, not why. Could you have just had a bad day? Sure. Could they have been the better player, just with poor looking strokes? Too many times people will disrespect other players because they do...
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This happens when I play against (recreationally) or rally with people that aren't at my level down at the public courts. It's all for fun so nobody is stressed but I have to take some mustard off my serve program and slowing that down messes my mechanics sometimes. I also resist the urge of hitting sure winners just t...
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> What makes you say they're "way worse" than you? If they're that much worse you could've beat them with one arm. But you lost. Did you even read his post? He won against the ‘way worse’ guy. The guy he narrowly lost against was the one who was clearly better than him. > It seems there's still things you need to wo...
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Well look at that - I held on to the title and “nothing seemed to work” while “I still won” was lost in the details. My bad, gonna go back to having a happy Friday now! OP - pros have bad days too.
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Do you have any tips for overcoming this? I’ve been having the same problem recently. I can either drop down to their level and play the chip/dink game and try to beat them at it, or I can keep swinging hard and risk making unforced errors. Not sure how to approach it but i’ve won and lost trying both methods
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It's in your mind. If you believe everyone is better than you, you will always play better.
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I’ve played a lot of sports throughout my life and tennis is the number one sport where you play down (or up) to your opponents if you aren’t careful. It’s all such a rhythm and feel that when someone has bad mechanics it can throw you off bad. The most frustrating doubles loss I’ve ever had in tournaments was to a t...
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YMMV but for me personally, it usually helps to focus on two things: 1. exaggerating/aggressive footwork. giving myself more room than i think i need. it’s usually easier for me to hit quality balls if i’m a little too far away from the ball than too cramped. too cramped at contact = bad day 2. focusing on using my...
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Point 1 is something i started to realize during my most recent match. My footwork would get lazy and I’d end up feeling cramped and jamming myself up. Kinda chickenwinging rather than really extending my arm. I like the idea of over exaggerating my footwork. I’ll give that a shot
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I find that a good thing to do against weaker players (a very small constituency in my case) is to target their strength and break it down. So if a guy hits a couple of winners off e.g. his slightly more reliable BH I will just put everything into that area to see if his strength is sustainable. This does two things: f...
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2024-12-07
lol. This guy I partner with occasionally will always blame the other team if he’s playing poorly. Even when he faults or double faults, he would blame the other team because, “they’re not good enough to serve seriously against.” I just smile and nod whenever he says it lol.
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2024-12-07
I think a big part of it is hitting slower paced balls. It takes a lot of skill to be able to hit them well
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2024-12-07
Exaggerate your technique and footwork - and then, when you get ready to strike the ball, turn it down to like 30% of what you can do. Choose placement not power. You don’t need to change your play style. Just play your game on 30%.
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2024-12-07
If he beats you, he's the better player. There's no artistic score in tennis
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2024-13-07
Read Brad Gilbert’s book, Winning Ugly. Or listen to the audiobook version. Don’t bother thanking me later… you’re welcome!
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2024-13-07
Yes. Recently experienced this back to back. Hit for fun with a coach. Obviously he had solid strokes and Jesus was I hitting well. It was so exhilarating. Two days later, lost to a player not as good. It was awful.
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People are assuming that the other person was giving you junk but that’s not necessarily the case. It’s one possibility. People are taking it for granted that he’s actually worse than you. The other possibility is that he simply hits a ball and plays a style you’re not used to. For example, some people play with lots...
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2024-13-07
While I agree with the comments here, for me it is this: I play a player that uses continental grip forehand and he uses a 110 SQ IN racquet. So he can just do these little like swaths at the ball and they go flying so flat and even if youre on the ball it bounces so low that its always an easy ball for him to hit afte...
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2024-13-07
Bc you need to generate your own shot and your own power instead of relying on the other shots
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2024-13-07
You are too attuned to their emotional state and feel bad crushing them because you know how awful it feels to be crushed yourself.
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2024-13-07
suck less at swinging hard
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this is a great thing to focus on to suck less at swinging hard
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2024-13-07
Lack of engagement…
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2024-13-07
Spot on. I know one guy who got bumped from 3.5 to 4.0 and is WINLESS at 4.0 this season. After every loss he says the opponent sucks. The guy was a pusher, or a slicer, or too one dimensional. The lack of self awareness is amazing.
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Try getting your footwork into the game, leg drive. bring your body through all your ground strokes. get in position quick even for slow balls. Don’t let them dictate the pace of the game
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2024-13-07
You're only good if you hit all your shots directly into my strike zone.
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2024-13-07
Best answer. Very insightful knowledge of the game.
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2024-13-07
The adults are talking about real sports here bud, go back to your esports
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2024-13-07
surely you aren't suggesting I don't play tennis myself
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I agree to some extent, but tbh, I think it's not quite fair to say it's 'not mental' straight up. Dont underestimate how much that can affect you - your fundamentals might be good enough if you sort that out. Laziness, even bashfulness, with footwork and having to create pace was a huge issue for me initially. I'm p...
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Dialling back is really tricky for me as I have recently locked in better techniques (but LOADS of room for improvement) after initially arming everything. Tricky in social games to people I know cannot return paced serves or hard rally balls. In future, I will use second serves only and not try to slow a flat serve. N...
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I feel like you people dont like reading. He literally says he beats them, but his game is not as good as he knows it can be.
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Just to make sure i get the question, is it : "help me, I won 3 straight sets and I should have won more"?
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It’s gotten to the point that when I play people who are lower level and only chip and slice, I’ll lose on purpose just to try knew tactics
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> I don’t know if it’s a mental thing and if there’s any way to fix it. I guess in all fairness, it's a mental AND technical issue. I'm treating you differently, because you actually won. So I believe he was "worse" than you, you beat him. As opposed to people who say they lose 1 and 1 to a player way worse. You di...
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> tennis is the number one sport where you play down (or up) to your opponents if you aren’t careful. I've been playing tennis since I was 10, and I have to say, I think 99% of the time, in my matches, the better player won. Playing down IMO just means somebody is struggling mentally and physically with a certain st...
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2024-13-07
Maybe you put too much pressure on yourself to win because worried about losing to more technically therefore "inferior" player to you
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Psychological warfare lmao
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So when a top 10 player loses to a top 200 player, it's cuz the top 200 player is better? Lmao.
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I agree, but maybe... I think mental can't be thought of as everything that is not purely technical. That's because it would essentially make the game 90% mental, which it isn't. If it was that way, you could become a great player in no time thanks to your mental attributes. When in reality it's the other way around - ...
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2024-14-07
You should be happy you were still able to win while playing erratically. You just need to analyze what was giving you trouble in his game that affected your performance. You may be someone who feeds of of pace and prefers deep returns from your opponent. Lesser players are inconsistent and hit a lot of shots haphazar...
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2024-15-07
I struggle with short balls because of poor anticipation and preparation. I tend to hit a lot of underspin approach shots and try to win the point at the net . You have a good offensive weapon if you can consistently attack and vanquish short balls !
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