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43,137,585	==Jag Bhaduria== Hey pm_shef, Here's the real story http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_02.10.94/NEWS/nv0210b.htm about how Mario Racco lost the nomination federally in 1993 to Jag Bhaduria and the real reason why Bhaduria was kicked out of the Liberal Party.	2,006	true	user	blocked	train	false
43,151,358	SHANES: There is no way I bow to the unjustice and comply to that arrogant bastard. That guy reverted my edition based on the fact he claimed arrogantly that his version was better than the others. Well......you better tell me if that was a resason good enough. ALSO, Why didn't he need to start a discussion before he changed the previous article while I am asked everytime to start a discussion to so-called defend my edition?! Why he wasn't asked to defend his action while I was called to defend my edition?! This is absolutely ridiculous and obviously, there is a double standard. This guy changes others edition for the sake of changing it. He only knows to mess around and stirs up trouble. I am just here to defend my rights and not let it exploited by some troublemakers. By the way, I think I have better things to do but the only reason why I come back and persistently reverting it back to the changed version only because there is absolutely no justice. I don't want to accuse you but I think your handling is a very one-sided and biased.	2,006	false	article	blocked	train	true
43,153,870	SHANES: One last thing, I won't be defending myself for swearing or insulting someone. But that's the only way to let my feeling known about the injustice in this whole saga and I don't think many people can restrain themselves from swearing and insulting at people who has been a bully and behaved constantly arrogant and unreasonable throughout. And the sorry thing is someone is being the accomplice to wallow in the mire with the criminal.	2,006	false	article	blocked	train	false
43,157,444	::Looks like it has fairly strong resistance to me.... ==Language labels== Do these language tags serve any real purpose? Anyone who is not warned off an article with a clearly non-English title may not be warned by a tag eitherl and at least one of them was misplaced on Duhoux's article, which is of course in English, even though he's French.	2,006	true	article	random	test	false
43,167,301	, and you cannot because there isn't any	2,006	false	user	blocked	train	false
43,167,594	PS. I am 100% sure it will turn out that he is an Arab ;-)	2,006	true	article	random	train	false
43,174,687	` i had a stab at addressing your comments. most have now been done, BUT (1) i couldnt see what was wrong with the lead - it summarizes the article well. and (2), is the ``cognitive dissonance`` thing really an opinion? just seems like the right word to describe a story that throws multiple viable & contradictory viewpoints at you. `	2,006	true	user	random	test	false
43,176,834	` * Strongly oppose. The entire idea behind disambiguation is to separate articles, and this article needed to be disambiguated (unless you prefer the giant morass of disambig that used to be this article's header); on top of that, this article is designed to explain the linguistics of leet, and not it's cultural status; we need to also remember that the layperson will look for leet at leet and then leet (language), not leet (creole), leet (pidgin), leet (slang), leet (cipher), or any other page...(You know what? I want to know why they set a one-sentence limit for comments. I also wonder if they count parenthetical asides as sentences when they are embedded. It really makes one wonder...)...so I suppose we should keep it here, unless someone has a better place to put it (and leet is not a better place!!!) - `	2,006	true	article	random	train	false
43,185,594	Please do not add commercial links (or links to your own private websites) to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. You are, however, encouraged to add content instead of links to the encyclopedia as we drive for print or DVD publication; see the welcome page to learn more. Thanks.	2,006	true	user	random	train	false
43,185,810	2006 (UTC) :: So sad. One finds good contributions in an article, looks up the editor - and he has left Wikipedia. It is even more sad the aggressive POV-pushers stay. 20:21, 10 March	2,006	true	user	random	test	false
43,203,640	4. Lancaster, PA, September 1777, for only one day? :5. York, PA, September 1777, to use Susquehanna river as defense against British :6. Princeton, NJ :7. Annapolis, MD :8. Trenton, NJ :9. New York, NY :10. Philadelphia :11. Washington, D.C. I think these are all the places that have any claim of being a capital of the United States. Of these, New York City and Philadelphia have the strongest claims of being the first capital. One question to answer is what constitutes being the first capital. Do we start the clock at the signing of the Declaration of Independence, the Article of Confederation, or the Constitution. I think that the Constitution would be the key event because before that, America was really a group of independent colonies rather than a nation. Also, I believe that New York City did not have the physical infrastructure (buildings, etc.) in place to be an actual capital for the newly formed government. I think it acted more as a temporary meeting place. Philadelphia did have a lot of infrastructure for the federal government because it was trying to woe the government into making Philly the permanent capital. In my opinion, Philly should be considered the first capital of the U.S. because it had actual capital buildings that were used by the government after the signing of the Constitution. The fact that Philly was also used as the first capital of the colonies is not relevent in my opinion. However, I am not a historian or an expert in early American history, so I don't want to update the article myself. Also, from my research, there seems to be a lot of contention about which city is the first capital. Would a historian or professor of history please comment on this issue and update the page. Daniel Barbalace : See http://www.clearthought.info for email address.	2,006	false	article	blocked	train	false
43,205,089	*No, the text that I entered is not an opinion but a reasoned statement. It is not an interpretation but a reasoned statement. It may be that you are right that there should not be a separate criticism section, but, given the first part of the article, this reasoned statement can be put here. My suggestion is that more people think through what the article would look like but including the reasoned statement in the main body of the article. It is useful to have the text available in the article before the whole is re-editted, to prevent innocent readers to get a wrong impression.	2,006	true	article	blocked	train	false
43,205,558	why can't i edit this page?	2,006	false	user	blocked	train	false
43,208,863	. Thus, voting theorists should be careful to present voting systems to the general public without the status quo pre-condition	2,006	true	article	blocked	train	false
43,209,016	think twice before presenting	2,006	true	article	blocked	train	false
43,215,002	::If you suspect copyvio you should use the {{copyvio}} template and follow the procedure. -	2,006	true	article	random	train	false
43,215,728	` :As you wish. '''''' `	2,006	true	user	random	dev	false
43,216,798	::::(1)I've read a lot of wikipedia stuff, such as various guidelines. (2) No, Rob has no such obligation to provide an email address. I never implied he has such an obligation. (3) And he may well be within the guidelines, who is to judge ? Anyway, I didn't start that discussion, and have felt from the start on safer ground by taking the discussion up from the viewpoint of the integrity of science, as I explained. If the voting system page is ONLY based upon notability, and doesn't accept reasoned argumentation, as Rspeer holds, then a scientist would want to see it deleted since it misinforms the general public about the conditions for democracy.	2,006	true	user	blocked	train	false
43,217,479	==Borda fixed point== See the talk:borda fixed point page for issues pertaining there.	2,006	true	user	blocked	dev	false
43,217,651	:Why would it matter whether the article was written from a pro-evolution point of view? Evolution and ID are not competing ideas. Many proponents of ID accept evolution as the most reasonable explaination. What ID is at odds with, is the naturalistic axiom of science. That is, the assuption, a priori, that all science must be due to natural causes.	2,006	true	article	random	train	false
43,219,639	Your point on verifiability didn't pertain to my conduct. Such as other ponts made. Please advise me. I want to have time to write my email to the professors. I cannot do so when all kinds of changes are made that I don't have control over, thus, while my a request for a time out is not respected. I really would like to have a time out. Now, do I have to ask for mediation or is there no option of having a time out ?	2,006	true	user	blocked	train	false
43,222,257	:::I'm afraid that you didn't follow the history of all this. (1) I don't want to obtain an email, I want to write it. (2) Every time when someone makes a remark, I tend to think that I am obligated to reply, since otherwise that person may think that I neglect him/her, and don't think him or her worthy of a reply. But that leaves me no time to write that email. (3) Also, if I would take that time, then Rspeer could delete all my contributions in the mean time, as he already has started to do, making it hard work again to restore it. (4) I recognize that wikipedia can be accessed any time of the day, but it might be proper for you and Rspeer and others reading my request for a time out to respect my wish for it. (5) Rspeer started this discussion about my conduct on this talk page, by saying that there was a threat, while there wasn't. Now, do I have to take this seriously ? And have this nonsense here ? (6) Should I have entered my criticism on his behaviour on his talk page, instead of the borda fixed point page, where he occluded the argument on the article with his behavior ? (7) My impression now is that I have to ask for mediation to get some quiet time to formulate my argument on the integrity of science for the professors. True of false ?	2,006	true	user	blocked	dev	false
43,223,406	== Link == Someone placed a link to the prior article, which has been archived off Wikipedia, and is no longer Wikipedia's responsibility, in the current article. Since this is a hot news story, and the new version of the article is a stub, I see nothing wrong with giving people a link to the old version while the new one is rewritten, so they at least have something to read. Justin is of course welcome to complain to anyone hosting the old article, but as you know, trying such things on the Internet just makes more people replicate the information on their sites, and is a fruitless exercise. If someone can come up with a really good reason why we shouldn't do this, I am willing to listen, but barring that, I will happily use up my two reverts to maintain the link to the old article until the new one contains more than 2 sentences of information.	2,006	true	article	blocked	dev	false
43,224,057	==Borda fixed point== OK, you reverted a the talk:borda fixed point page. I don't think that this is correct. I will now remove, anyhow, the listing of the paragraph that you took offense of, and hope that this will allow you to give me the time out that I wanted. If not, please help me through the required mediation process.	2,006	true	user	blocked	dev	false
43,224,101	== Image:FergieP.jpg == :Image:FergieP.jpg...umm....it was labeled as promotional...so, whats the problem?	2,006	true	user	random	train	false
43,228,364	` Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. Pilotguy ( ¦ ✉)'' `	2,006	true	user	random	train	false
43,236,977	` == Brand names == Doesn't ``Forfour`` infringe on Morgan's 4/4? `	2,006	true	article	random	dev	false
43,238,863	: Thanks. And thanks for the solid citation. - \|	2,006	true	article	random	train	false
43,241,178	Shouldn't there be an article of each of Montaigne's essays?	2,006	false	article	blocked	train	false
43,241,335	` :You seriously think that describing spray painting graffiti in a subway station as vandalism is ``loaded and POV``? `	2,006	false	article	blocked	train	false
43,252,404	Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks.	2,006	true	user	random	test	false
43,256,447	`bomb in the Diplomat hotel 20 minutes ago...after the feast...tell the government that we will destroy everyplace.`` `	2,006	false	article	blocked	test	true
43,263,632	` == Ahoy == What's it like being the dweeb bitch of a worthless gawk cow? You should just move to DC and stick it to 'er, since she's lonely. Oh, that's right; you don't have the right equipment. Sorry, dipshitboy. Fucking moron. Justice will prevail over you ``vandal``-chasing idjuts. We're gonna fuck ya, and fuck ya good. No quarter. `	2,006	false	user	blocked	train	true
43,263,702	:It's a prick in real life too, azzo — a disgusting, disrespectful oaf. Don't worry; its sasquatchness will be reeled in. Learn it. Know it. Live it. Abuse of admin powers (e.g., article editing domination via threat, capricious blocks for personal reasons) naturally leads to abuse of user powers. There will be no RfC here, since it decided long ago to operate outside the system. Keep trying to dominate Wikipedia with your admin button, Kitschbam0. You will work with others respectfully or get blumffled. :See ya soon, azzo. Get back there and give your fellow morons heartburn.	2,006	false	user	blocked	train	true
43,263,946	== Poop boy == You. Poop. Poop boy. Poop. Poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop boy. Youuuuuuuuuuu!	2,006	false	user	blocked	train	true
43,264,036	== SchtippDick == You. You boy. Youuuuuu. Terisoaio! Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.	2,006	false	user	blocked	dev	true
43,267,107	===In an effort to move this forward=== I have edited a bit in the proposed page. I must say that I can not find any fundamental problem with it other than that it is far too long and that the battle descriptions should be shortened. If that is not done, there is a risk that newer edits on the respective battle pages will not be reflected in the main article. This does not mean there are no errors or questions remaining about the proposed page. I am sure there are some, that is normal in an article of this length, but I am quite impressed with the effort spent on the article and the attempt to source. I also believe it is reasonably balanced. I have added verify tags where I felt more work is needed. I would therefore propose to: a) Replace the currently locked article with the proposed article I linked to above since it is of much higher quality. b) Archive this discussion in an attempt to calm things down, and to give those who participated in it the chance to make peace c) Keep the new article locked, and ask for comments to be made on the talk page to avoid an immediate edit war. d) Open the new article once we can be sure that a reasonable consensus has been reached on the talk page. I have no idea if these suggestions are in line with Wiki policies, but it appears to me that something needs to be done to overcome the impasse. That's my 2 pence. Between them and another 73 pennies you can get a cuppa at a greasy spoon. Regards	2,006	true	article	random	train	false
43,271,088	`If you like to ``squash IP addresses for fun``, then you'll never earn my respect and should not be at Wikipedia. Keep it in mind when you decide that calling me a vandal will hide your transgressions. `	2,006	false	user	blocked	dev	false
43,271,347	` == my RfA == {\| cellpadding=``2`` cellspacing=``0`` border=1 \|- style=``vertical-align: top;`` \|! style=``background: #BBBBBB;`` \| Hello FloNight, it's always good to meet someone else who counts their cats among their family. I wanted to thank you for taking the time to consider my RfA, which passed this morning. Admins are sort of like vultures, cleaning things up and whatnot... well, as long as you don't think too much about it. If there's ever anything I can help you with, just ask; you know where to find me. × \|! style=``background: #BBBBBB;`` \| \|} `	2,006	true	user	random	test	false
43,279,743	== Pakistan is a republic? == Everyone knows that Musharaff seized power in a 1999 coup.Doesn't that make him more of a dictator than a President?	2,006	false	article	blocked	train	false
43,280,125	Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. - please do not infuse articles with your Point Of View.	2,006	true	user	random	train	false
43,290,567	The whole section has bad formatting and needs to be written clearer.	2,006	false	article	blocked	train	false
43,290,708	== The New Royal House In Denmark == What will it be called? How do the Danes feel about a French dynasty? Are they jealous that the UK has their old one? LMAO.	2,006	false	article	blocked	train	false
43,291,416	`It was precisely this that contributed to the SWP developing into an insular and ossified sect isolated from the mass movement, a trend that continued to develop even when the radical movement was in its heyday. Fundamentally, it reflected right wing ``redneck`` workerist resentnment and hostility to the movement-that is at the heart of trostkyite sectarianism generally-coupled with a bureaucratic and small shopkeeper mentality. This led to an increasing obsession with petty rules and apoliticalization at the expense of political activism and solidarity, a mentality manipulated by reactionary goverment agents like Ed Heisler. Thus, all protestations to the contrary, it reflected a reactionary mentality characteristic of religious sects who seek not to lead society, but counterpose themselves to it, which was exactly the attitude of the Party towards the radical movement. Ironically, Trainor himself was the victim of this. A good and somewhat comical take on this was provided by two hippie characters in the Party named Sudie and Geb who wrote a Marcusian screed in this period ``Against A Proletarian Orientation.```	2,006	false	article	random	test	false
43,294,102	You are the one attacking and libelling me. I don't follow you around or make a nuisance on your talk page. Learn respect.	2,006	false	user	blocked	train	false
43,294,966	`If you like to ``squash IP addresses for fun``, then you'll never earn my respect and should not be at Wikipedia. Keep it in mind when you decide that calling me a vandal will hide your transgressions. My idols are among the Christian right. If you hate them and erase my Talk Page as you did my User Page, then you can go to Hell. Fred Phelps: * ``You can't preach the Bible without preaching hatred.`` * ``God doesn't hate them because they're fags; they're fags because God hates them.`` * ``Fag Jew Nazis are worse than ordinary Nazis. They've had more experience. Jews stirred up the Romans to butcher 6 million Christians in the catacombs in the 1st century. The First Holocaust was a Jewish Holocaust against Christians. The latest Holocaust is by Topeka Jews against WBC.`` * ``Anybody babbling about 'multicultural affairs' and 'celebrating diversity' is a propagandist for the militant sodomite agenda...Westboro Baptists will picket this black obfuscator, in religious protest and warning. Being black won't get you to Heaven. But promoting fags will take you to Hell.`` * ``Homosexuals now pervade and control American government at every level and branch. Thus, only those churches that support and promote the militant homosexual agenda enjoy religious freedom. Any church in America that dares to preach what the Bible says about soul-damning, nation-destroying moral filth of the vile homosexual beasts among us, loses all Constitutional guarantees of religious freedom and speech rights.`` * ``We understand that Iraq is the only Muslim state that allows the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ to be freely and openly preached on the streets without fear of arrest and prosecution. Alas, the United States no longer allows the Gospel to be freely and openly preached on the streets, because militant sodomites now control our government, and they violently object to the Bible message...The same majoritarian sodomite tyranny that now guides the Clinton administration's repressive policies toward Gospel preaching on America's streets, is apparently responsible at least in part for the merciless slaughter by starvation of 400 innocent Iraqi babies each day in your country. If our government and laws will allow it, and at the invitation of your government, we would like to send a delegation from Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas, to preach the Gospel on the streets of Baghdad for one week in the near future.`` * ``Filthy sodomites crave legitimacy as dogs eating their own vomit & sows wallowing in their own feces crave unconditional love.`` * ``Fag priests and dyke nuns is the order of the day for Kansas Catholics. They deserve the sick, perverted leadership that now dooms and damns them.`` Pat Robertson: * ``We have allowed rampant secularism and occult, et cetera, to be broadcast on television. We have permitted somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 to 40 million unborn babies to be slaughtered in our society. We have a Court that has essentially stuck its finger in God's eye and said, 'We're going to legislate you out of the schools, we're going to take your Commandments from off the courthouse steps in various states, we're not going to let little children read the Commandments of God, we're not going to let the Bible be read no prayer in our schools.' We have insulted God at the highest levels of our government. And, then we say 'why does this happen?' Well, why its happening is that God Almighty is lifting His protection from us.`` * ``Satan has gone! God has just healed somebody! A hernia has been healed! Several people are being healed of hemorrhoids and varicose veins! People with flat feet! God is doing just great things to you!`` * ``It's appalling to me that we would debate over $14 million... one attempt to dislodge a communist dictatorship in Central America causes Congress to go into a tizzy over $14 million in aid. There's something wrong with our sickly government, in my humble opinion.`` * ``CBN is helping starving and displaced persons in 15 countries, including some in Central America. The help is absolutely non-political. Articles claiming support by CBN of the Contras in Nicaragua are incorrect.`` * ``The fact is that the Communists make people suffer. If that makes it political, then, I'm sorry, we're still going to help them.`` * ``When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. ``What do you mean?`` the media challenged me. ``You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?`` My simple answer is, ``Yes, they are.```` * ``[Planned Parenthood] is teaching kids to fornicate, teaching people to have adultery, every kind of bestiality, homosexuality, lesbianism everything that the Bible condemns.`` * ``We're legalizing Sodomy. We're now teaching witchcraft in the schools. We're legalizing sodomy. Adultery is thought of as no big deal. We haven't quite got to bestiality yet, but it's on the Internet. And, incest is more and more prevalent and the sacrifice of children through abortion is in the 30 to 40 million range. We're doing all the things that God said were so repugnant that the land itself would be repulsed and would vomit its inhabitants out. And, if there was ever a time that we need God's blessing, it's now. We don't need to bring in heathen, pagan practices to the United States of America.`` Jerry Falwell: * ``The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say: you helped this happen.`` * ``I have a Divine Mandate to go into the halls of Congress and fight for laws that will save America.`` * ``We must, from the highest office in the land right down to the shoeshine boy in the airport, have a return to Biblical basics.`` * ``I listen to feminists and all these radical gals... These women just need a man in the house. That's all they need. Most of the feminists need a man to tell them what time of day it is and to lead them home. And they blew it and they're mad at all men. Feminists hate men. They're sexist. They hate men; that's their problem.`` * ``AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.`` * ``Now, further evidence that the creators of the series intend for Tinky Winky to be a gay role model have surfaced. He is purple the gay-pride color; and his antenna is shaped like a triangle the gay-pride symbol.`` * ``I do not believe the Republicans or the Democrats have the solution to America's moral and spiritual dilemma. Only a pervasive and national spiritual awakening can prevent us entering the post-Christian era as we go simultaneously into the 21st century. I believe America is in imminent peril. We are rotting from within.`` * ``Since the Antichrist will not be revealed before Jesus comes, I believe conditions are falling in place, i.e., one-world government, so he can rule the world after Jesus comes. But we're moving toward a one-world government through the United Nations, through the world court and a growing world opinion. The problem is that the one-world opinion is taking the side of the Palestinians, not the side of Israel.`` If you want to bitch, why not join the rest of these jokers here and bring the bad news?! It's just that I won't be around to see it and give you what you want. I have decided to follow in the footsteps of , , , and . `	2,006	false	user	blocked	train	true
43,295,039	You are the one attacking and libelling me. I don't follow you around or make a nuisance on your talk page. Learn respect. Slander and libel. Go on and build your evidence, but it's all water under the bridge or over the dam. Cry about spilt milk, but whatever happened is no longer happening and it seems you just want me banned because of your own inconsistent application of the rules. You think that because I prefer going by my IP address, I am some horrible person. I actually leave myself wide open to hackers, so you have little thing to be so upset about. It's my risk here, not yours. Quit complaining.	2,006	false	user	blocked	train	false
43,296,470	Please stop removing content from Wikipedia; it is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.	2,006	true	user	random	train	false
43,322,168	Hi! It was great to see not only another fan of arrested development, but also a synaesthete! Good on you! You sound like a cool guy! , 19:03 11/03/06	2,006	true	user	blocked	train	false
43,323,929	` (UTC) :: I support renaming. It's the Macintosh, not Apple, that is moving to Intel. ``Macintosh Intel migration``. 19:23, 11 March 2006`	2,006	true	article	random	dev	false
43,324,052	== JESUIT HIGH SCHOOL SUCKS! == GO GLENCO! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!	2,006	true	article	blocked	train	true
43,325,023	` == Baffled == I'm puzzled by the behavior of the anonymous user that keeps inserting ``detachment``, and ``independence`` into a introductory paragraph of the specified complexity article, making that paragraph practically useless. It is true that detachment and independence were characterizations of specification that Dembski used in earlier versions of his work, but which he subsequently dropped as characterizations. There were lots of reasons for his having done so. The particular way this user is trying to reinsert these concepts is completely erroneous (even on Dembski's own terms). I'm not sure exactly how to proceed here. This cycle of reversion is not very productive, but mainly I don't want to place myself in the position of clarifying Dembski. `	2,006	true	user	random	test	false
43,327,392	Hi, Kitty! Just wondering, when you say you're a conservative, how do you mean? In a political sense? Are you right wing? I was just looking at other synaesthetes, and (obviously) your name came up, and I noticed your conservative userbox, and I wondered exactly what an american conservative believed!	2,006	true	user	blocked	train	false
43,330,990	*I noticed that Rob now added a notification on original research or verification. This is better than simply removing the text, but there remains a confusion. You all must distinguish me (1) as a scientist who for you is a third party and who provides sources, e.g. see me as the writer of VTFD in 2001, (b) as a scientist who helps you, just now, to get this article straight. You should note that the verifiability condition concerns facts that need be checked by various sources. But the text that I provided (in the disputed criticism section) contains a reasoned argument that you can check by the logical faculties of your minds. Thus the condition does not apply in that sense. Also the reference to original research doesn't apply, since I didn't enter original research. The research originated in 1990 and was published in 2001. The only thing I do now is correct the misleading element in the article, and provide the reader (and you as editors) with a condensed reasoned statement, that you again can check by using the logical faculties of your minds. Also, the verifiability page mentions that the sources should be unreliable. Well, again this is a non-issue for this paragraph. For, the point is that a reasoned argument is provided, so that it doesn't matter where it is from, and you have to use the faculties of your minds. If the washing lady says 1+1=2 then this has the same value as when the bishop says so, even when the bishop doesn't know what he talks about. Which is exactly why I added the suggestion, above, that when the reasoned argument is understood, the criticism might perhaps best be included in the main text, revising the main article. I didn't do that myself, since all of you would be completely shocked, not having digested that reasoned statement. Some other comments: PM 1: I doubt whether you will find many other sources on criticism other then I already included in the list of literature in the links that I provided. If someone feels like unpacking those links and transferring those references into the main body, feel free to do so. PM 2: Now that Rob has eliminated that one sentence, that he agreed was nonsense, perhaps the header Criticism is too strong, and it may be perhaps Evaluation or something like that. PM 3: If the consensus is that this group of editors cannot take responsibility for using their logical faculties of minds on the reasoned argument, then you may also attribute it to me, see Colignatus at wikinfo, and perhaps research a bit how reliable I am. Simply a Google scolar is not enough, though. PM 4: If all this fails, I would like a comment from someone who follows the logic of the reasoned argument and have suggestions how it can remain available for readers, then in another format or place.	2,006	true	article	blocked	train	false
43,331,867	` ::I'm not withdrawing anything. Jimbo Wales is a whacked out control freak who seems to have appointed himself the patron saint of teenage camwhores. Wikipedia is a large cache of conventional wisdom and urban legends which could collectively care less about where the real truth lies. I greatly regret having contributed to it. In Jimbo Wales' own words... ::``If a viewpoint is held by an extremely small (or vastly limited) minority, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia (except perhaps in some ancillary article) regardless of whether it's true or not; and regardless of whether you can prove it or not.`` ::So the truth is not an issue. It's what the majority wants to believe that is the ``standard`` for Wikipedia content. Wikipedia isn't a project to accrue and represent accurate information. It's actually a means for representing the most popular beliefs with blatant disregard for the truth. I'm surprised you even have a section on evolution. `	2,006	true	user	blocked	train	false
43,333,240	` ::I'd also like to add that I think the indefinite banning of Rookiee for ``pedophile trolling`` because he politely complained about the deletion of the article he contributed to, comes very close to being a bigoted slur against someone based on their professed sexual orientation. What's next, bans for ``Nigger Uppityness`` or ``Kike Craftiness?`` I've formed a very negative opinion of Jimbo and the whole Wikipedia project at this point. There isn't a single numbered principle on Jimbo's user page which you people don't regularly violate. This is definitely a case of an organization having an entirely different agenda than the propaganda it writes and disseminates about itself. `	2,006	true	user	blocked	train	false
43,339,456	` ::::Your talent at invoking ``personal attack`` seems to exceed your talent at replying intelligently to any of my points. ::::If you can't take the heat, you shouldn't be editing an encyclopedia. It's pretty clear that Wikipedia's ``personal attack`` policy is simply a ploy to ban people with whom the administrators disagree, and prevent them from making contributions to Wikipedia, while at the same time preserving the illusion of some level playing field for intellectual discourse. ::::To illustrate this point, we need look no further than the items removed by Jimbo from the Justin Berry talk page, citing ``personal attack``, which included every mention of the term ``camwhore,`` which is itself a Wikipedia topic, and the following paragraph. Please feel free to try and figure out who is the victim of the ``personal attack`` here. ::::``I'm dissapointed that the majority of this page was deleted, most likely because one of the editors is a self-admitted pedophile. Is it fair to declare that a pedophile can't be neutral on a page that involves pedophilia?. I guarantee that wikipedia wouldn't ban a Jew from editing a page on the holocaust, or ban a black person from editing a page on affirmative action. A pedophile is just as capable of editing with a neutral POV on a subject matter dealing with pedophilia, as a Jew or a black would be on an issue that involves Jews or blacks. Wikipedia claims to be a online encyclopedia that anyone can edit. If that doesn't include pedophiles, than how is that fair?. If we allow certain sexual minorities to be silenced, what's next?, allowing certain racial minorities to be silenced as well. As a frequent reader and occasional editor of wikipedia, I only want to read factual, neutral POV articles, and I don't care about the race, nationality, ethnicity, sex, or sexual orientation of the editor. Even if most people have moral objections to pedophilia, surely we can agree that we all have a right to post on wikipedia as long as we abide by the rules.`` ::::You people talk a good game, but what you say and what you do are two entirely different things. `	2,006	true	user	blocked	train	false
43,339,869	== Email to Sean Black == I did not want this text to be publicly known, since I still have to contact the professors, but in the current situation I see no choice but to put the draft text here. PM 1. I earlier emailed this draft to Rob Speer and Joe Hall for comment, and just sent it out to Sean Black. PM 2. I noticed that I am also blocked from the RfC page. I have not had much time to investigate what the intention of that page is, since I am writing my email to the professors, so I don't know whether that page or being blocked from it is important. PM 3. It is not true that I only editted pages on myself. PM 4. Who hold that contacting a professor would be the same as contacting an employer, neglect my earlier comment that I approach the issue from the angle of the integrity of science. The proper reaction is not to neglect it but give the argument why this angle would be improper. PM 5. On the RfC Joe Hall suggests that my objective would be to punish him or so. No, I only suggest that the professor and he discuss the situation from the angle of the integrity of science. Earlier I wrote that this would be very beneficial for him. PM 6. Joe mentioned that Hal Varian no longer is the dean at SIMS. Thus the draft needs at least one change. *PM 7. I told everyone that I wanted a time out. Why don't you respect that wish ? Didn't I read somewhere that a truce was also an option ? Dear Mr. Black, I saw that, while I was composing my letter to the professors at MIT and SIMS, further action on wikipedia about me. There is an RfC which I am not familiar with and now you seem to have been blocking me whatever that is. Below you find the draft text of my letter to the professors. If you think that this is threatening and not befitting a scientific community, please reply. A few hours ago I already sent this draft text to Rob Speer and Joe Hall. With an introductory text, that I no longer have, since wiki-mail has no cc. But they might forward the email sent to them. I would appreciate it if you could explain the problem and what I can expect. Please see also my recent edit of Arrow's impossibility theorenm. My regards, Thomas Colignatus DRAFT To the president of MIT Professor Susan Hockfield http://web.mit.edu/hockfield/ hockfield@mit.edu To the dean of SIMS, University of California at Berkeley Professor Hal Varian http://www.sims.berkeley.edu/~hal/ hal@sims.berkeley.edu March 11, 2006 Dear professors Hockfield and Varian, Dear Hal, I have a problem on the integrity of science with two of your students, Rob Speer at MIT who started the problem, and Joseph Lorenzo Hall at SIMS who is interfering in an unhelpful way. The problem is summarized in the appendix. Obviously, the integrity of science is a difficult subject even for academics so there must be a great deal of tolerance with students. With students, they certainly cannot be held accountable as scientists can, and they are only learning the trade. Yet, students e.g. know that one cannot cheat a test and that one must study a topic before one gives conclusions on it. When issues of integrity arise, it can be very educational for them to have the issue discussed. In this case, these two students would learn a lot about scientific conduct and scientific integrity. In the present case, the issue is on the behaviour of these students on the internet, in particular wikipedia. It appears that communication with these students is greatly hindered by that environment, which does not allow the quality of deliberation provided by a personal chat with a person that they respect. My reason to contact you is to ask you to find a teacher or counselor at your school to have that chat. It is to be considered whether the activity of those students within wikipedia is related to their life as students at your schools. My impression is that this relation exists. Firstly, they present themselves on their wikipedia pages as students of MIT and SIMS, thus partly referring to those institutions and their education there, implying their relation to you. Secondly, they are active in editing work, where they refer to learned books and where they use difficult words. Their behaviour thus cannot be strictly separated from their education and prospective position as scientists. This is most clearly so with Joseph Lorenzo Hall who is already a Ph.D. student who thus must write scientific papers for the journals. For Rob Speer, who started the problem, it can be observed that his education on computing science is relevant for the topic where the problem arose. In the end, it is with students similar as with academics: An academic can still be a good academic “professionally” even if he or she steals roses from the neighbours or tells gossips to friends in church, but, the expectation would be that that behaviour would not occur. The expectation would be decent behaviour, worthy of an intended graduate or doctor, especially when the integrity of science is involved. The relation to your school also arises directly from the nature of their misconduct. When a student behaves badly in an area that he sees as distinct from his education, it can be educational to him or her to be reminded that this behaviour does not fit a graduate, for which the very education is intended. As said, I kindly ask you to find a teacher or counselor within your institution to discuss matters on a personal level with those students. I already tried to explain it to them via the contact that is provided by the internet, but this didn’t help, and my hope is that such a talk on a personal level would help them to see the problem. Unfortunately, the student Rob Speer only provided the co-ordinate “a senior at MIT studying computer science and music” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rspeer) and explicitly refused to give a name and email address of his professor. There appear different organizations dealing with computer science at MIT, so I can only write to the President, professor Hockfield, with the polite request to forward this issue to the appropriate person. To my relief, though, I noted a speech by professor Hockfield where she discussed academic integrity, in the case of two scientists at Lincoln Laboratory, so I have been confirmed that integrity has her attention. The Ph. D. student Joseph Lorenzo Hall can be identified via http://josephhall.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Joebeone, joehall@berkeley.edu. At the present, SIMS is smaller than MIT, so I suppose that professorVarian can identify this student with some ease. Both students have been informed of this letter, via the email addresses on their webpages. For the information of professor Hockfield I may add that I had brief contact with professor Varian some years ago, notably on his economics programs for Mathematica and my Economics Pack, applications of Mathematica. (This Pack has decent quality. Once I sold via a third party, Wolfram Research Inc., but they resold unexpectedly to other resellers, halving my margin, so I had to stop that outlet.) Professor Hockfield might also inquire with professor Blanchard at MIT, since he once gave a lecture in Holland and met me; though it seems he hasn’t had time yet to study my work, so I mention his name only with great hesitation. Respectfully yours, Thomas Cool / Thomas Colignatus http://www.dataweb.nl/~cool cool@dataweb.nl	2,006	true	user	blocked	test	false
43,340,374	` ::::TML1988, for those of us who apparently aren't as bright as the Wikipedia staff and administrators, who clearly know what's best for everyone, would you please explain precisely what in the above paragraph to which you responded is a ``personal attack``? This is beginning to look to me very muck like you're on a mission to silence any criticism of Wikipedia's motives or accuracy, by painting ``personal attack`` with an excessively broad brush. Please specify so that we mortals might gain some insight into your collective opinions' apparent infallibility. `	2,006	true	user	blocked	test	false
43,344,825	==A question, if I may?== SSG, are the Army's colors really blue and gold? I seem to remember them as green and gold - maybe because of the class As.	2,006	true	user	blocked	train	false
43,349,633	==Reply from Sean Black== That you have attempted to gain the personal information of Wikipedia editors proves to me that my block was a good thing. Sean == Re == Dear Mr. Black, Sean, You wrote: > That you have attempted to gain the personal information of Wikipedia > editors proves to me that my block was a good thing. Well, it appears that we have different frames of reference. I am a scientist working under the scientific code. Any ground for mutual understanding there ? E.g. to leave decisions on this blocking / unblocking to administrators with a firm ground in science (and not just students) ? I can admit to be flabbergasted by all these developments. I simply wanted time to write a good letter explaining the situation from the angle of the integrity of science, and then all this... Please note that the RfC page is selective, interpretative, and now also blocked ... It would be an advance if you could unblock that page so that I might answer later next week. PM. You also deleted the Colignatus page. Why didn't you consult me first ? Did you see my comments on the deletion review page ? Regards, Thomas Cool / Thomas Colignatus	2,006	true	user	blocked	train	false
43,354,977	Until before 50 years, jews had same status with blacks.You were not allowed to prestigious places.But that has changed by investing money on media... Don't forget; Nazis were praised about what they have done against jews in USA...	2,006	true	article	blocked	dev	false
43,356,834	` If CNN,CBS and Hollywood belongs to us, we will be stereotyped also...It was also limited the immigrants who came from asian and mediterranean countries too...Dont you heard that? I didn't suprised, actually.You've grown up there.Here is not said ``Talat Pasha hates Armenians`` right as well. `	2,006	true	article	blocked	train	false
43,356,956	:Can't believe I didn't notice this. Thanks.	2,006	true	article	blocked	train	false
43,359,649	` **** While steriods were not ``against the rules``, per MLB guidelines, they need not have been, as they were, and are, a federally regulated controlled substance. The use, distribution, or dispensation of steroids is regulated per the Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 1990. In this case MLB did not even say that steroids were within the rules; they didn't say anything at all. Even if MLB had explicitly said the use of steroids were within the rules, it would still be a moot point. While it is true that MLB is a private organization, they do not have the right to set rules that contradict local, state or federal law. Even if state and local laws allowed for steroid use (which they don't), the federal law would trump them all(see the DEA's shameful prosecution of medical marijuana users if you need this substantiated). `	2,006	true	article	random	dev	false
43,360,057	told me(by the way what happened to him?) and i already knew it.I know ellis island and i have been there but i won't say my opinions about that.I've neevr heard angel island... Khoikhoi: We say that we love albanians also.Because we have 1 naval and 1 air base in albania.One of our best tongs.Just as Israel is puppet of USA.Anyone can love anotherone by chancing conditions.Did you understand now?	2,006	true	article	blocked	dev	false
43,365,348	:I don't remember, that was months ago that I changed that. ::	2,006	true	user	blocked	train	false
43,375,240	' that are not either self promotion or personal attacks, despite several warnings, I've blocked him indefinitely. If he is able to demonstrate to me or any other admin that he will not engage in this behaviour further, he may be unblocked, but if the behaviour does continue after being unblocked, then I expect that he will be blocked again.Sean Black (talk) ==Final letter to MIT and SIMS==	2,006	true	user	blocked	dev	false
43,375,578	== Articles deleted by Wales == Do you have a list of these somewhere? watching	2,006	true	article	blocked	dev	false
43,386,199	` == Something for you... == Distinguished Service Award'' for your significant contributions to Wikipedia's coverage of the United States Marine Corps. — ]]`	2,006	true	user	random	test	false
43,387,999	`#Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. e\|\|\|\|m `	2,006	true	user	random	train	false
43,390,544	:Let's be honest here. You've blocked me because I am amongst the growing crowd who are questioning the motives of those amongst the Wikipedia staff and administration when it comes to blocking accurate, npov, thoroughly-sourced information in the Justin Berry article. Do you even know why, are you just playing lemming like the rest of them?	2,006	true	user	blocked	train	false
43,392,237	:::Discussion is a two-way street. Where's the Wikipedia editor/staff contribution to the discussion on the Justin Berry talk page? Why are all the questions from my side of the argument being ignored? Why has no one yet managed to justify the removal of any of the thoroughly-documented information from the Justin Berry page? I'm not trying to throw gasoline onto a fire here. I don't have an agenda, and I'm honestly not particularly interested in Mr. Berry or his sordid history. What I am interested in is seeing Wikipedia be an respected and accurate source of free information for those who seek it, and when the Wikipedia staff themselves engage in an organised effort to remove accurate information with no justification whatsoever (we normally call this [Wikipedia:Vandalism\|vandalism]), Wikipedia's credibility goes out the window. Justify yourselfs and maybe we'll start to listen. My side has justified itself repeatedly. It's your turn now.	2,006	true	user	blocked	dev	false
43,392,498	` Welcome! Hello, , and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers: The five pillars of Wikipedia How to edit a page Help pages Tutorial How to write a great article Manual of Style I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! '0''' `	2,006	true	user	random	train	false
43,397,074	:::(...at which point I am predictably ignored and stonewalled, which seems to be the Wikipedia staff's official response to any direct questioning on the Justin Berry issue. One might think they've hired Scott McClellan to handle their PR. Clearly they are aware of the untenability of their position, and they're really hoping it will just go away. Sorry guys, it won't.)	2,006	true	user	blocked	dev	false
43,397,536	`) :: You're both right and wrong. If you believe that we've ``Persianized`` Arabian mathematicians/scientists other than Geber and Alhazen then please name them and prove otherwise (that they are Arabs), if not, then quite simply, your argument is unfounded. You're right in that even if you could argue that Alhazen was Iranian (e.g. Sassanid influence in Basra) it still would not mean that he was ``Persian``. I believe that there's more going in favour of Geber being a Persian than Alhazen. (UTC`	2,006	true	article	random	train	false
43,399,597	==Gratitude== THANK YOU ALL FOR EXPANDING MY ARTICLE SO EXTENSIVELY. How did it get so much attention, by the way?	2,006	true	article	blocked	test	false
43,404,433	I am a typical Democrat. I stand for social and economic justice. You guys apparently do not. Rather, you stand for the sockputtery of basically, why do you hate Jesus and believe the Ten Commandents are errant? I acutually object to adultery, but you as Republicans are dedicated to sock-pupptery, and sleeping-around is your version of Good-By-Jesus. Shall I call you a homosexual slut? Clearly, you belive adultery is a good wiki thing.	2,006	false	user	blocked	train	true
43,405,435	==Consensus is mispelled== And you are guilty, Tony.	2,006	false	user	blocked	train	false
43,407,658	is a common prostitute, a sock-puppet. I've done lots of edits, perhaps 3000, but the EB1911 project is now gone so it's only about 2000 edits. I can become foul-mouthed. is your basic sock-puppet mouth-pervert pervert. C'est moi, FourthAve.	2,006	false	user	blocked	train	true
43,409,566	:He writes them by hand, mails to ghost blogger, who posts them exactly as written. (Annoyingly, the ghost blogger doesn't separates blocks of text into easier-to-read paragraphs. ==Where did he access the Net?== Before getting caught, where would he post from? Where would he use a computer to post these blogs?	2,006	true	article	blocked	train	false
43,414,312	==Counter Example== The claim of the ideal state of affairs can only come about, if it includes this criteria is false: The claim: The marginal rate of transformation in production is identical for all products. This occurs when it is impossible to increase the production of any good without reducing the production of other goods. This is a false claim with the following counter-example: The United States no longer sees horse-carriages that have been replaced by the automobile. The increased production of the automobile reduced the production of the horse-carriage implying that Pareto efficiency never existed or could never exist, because it cannot account for all things including future technology that greatly improved the efficiency of all things by the automobile (the United State production capability after adjusting for inflation and other economic factors from 1950 to 1990 and the automobile and resulting highways was just one technology influence of this). The automobile technology is about 120 years old, and the horse-carriage has been around since time immemorial, but the horse-carriage is now is very uncommon and replaced by the automobile. This is a counter-example, therefore the description of ideal state of affairs is inadequate, and you know in mathematics and philosophy that means it is worthless.	2,006	true	article	blocked	train	false
43,415,311	::::::Ok guys, . Now how do I arrange the list into columns? A single-column list might lengthen a page considerably. Also, feel free to add any deceased notables that have very likely gone to hell, that haven't been added already. Thanks.	2,006	true	article	blocked	train	false
43,415,989	` Great point about mundane knowledge on talk page. No one would ask you to cite your sources if you were to claim that the s in ``version`` is a voiced prepalatal fricative and the g in ``virgin`` is a voiced prepalatal affricative, right? English's 16 or so vowels make it difficult for foreigners, and althgough I can distinguish between all of them I've noticed that Americans can't eg dist between ``dad`` and ``dead`` - but don't cite me on that!`	2,006	false	user	blocked	test	false
43,417,149	` Just as I'm not sure about mopane worms I'm also not sure about crickets. We don't eat many insects here in central RSA, but there is a Sesotho proverb ``bana ba motho ba seha leoto la tsie`` lit. ``siblings divide the grasshopper's leg`` ie people should always share no matter how little they have. Hope that helps! ZyX `	2,006	false	user	blocked	dev	false
43,419,395	` :sockpuppets!! if u guys r talking 'bout the sarvagnya guy and me..i should say..``LOL`` ))...i dont see why it bothers you anyway, if you have a point..a valid point ie. i just think that u guys have been caught with your pants down.`	2,006	true	user	random	dev	true
43,419,907	WHAT KIND OF SICK UNTRUE RUMOUR IS THAT?	2,006	true	article	blocked	train	false
43,421,521	`]] == Andre, I noticed you still haven't changed the phrase in Sesotho. Do I need to ``cite my sources``? Is the fact that I've been speaking the language for some 21 years not enough? Who was your original source? Some French site about ``Sutu``? Some lame ``Teach yourself`` book-let/brochure? If you can't trust a 1st language speaker with an interest in linguistics then who can you trust? Please respond on my talk page. `	2,006	false	user	blocked	test	false
43,427,925	:Hi, the message was related to this edit.	2,006	true	user	random	train	false
43,429,492	:Ah, I see you wrote down it was GNU. Can this template be added to the picture, then? Template:GFDL	2,006	true	user	random	dev	false
43,429,681	` The article claims that his father was Mokhachane - his name was actually Khachane. No, this is not an example of the prefix war - ``mokhachane`` means ``a pregnant woman`` and my late brother's second name was Khachane. I have mo idea what the name means, but it could be from Mokhachane. Please just change it - be italic. `	2,006	false	user	blocked	train	false
43,435,755	`== ``Of Lesotho`` == How many other Letsie III's are there? `	2,006	false	article	blocked	train	false
43,436,165	` *Congrats! Woo-hoo! `	2,006	true	user	random	train	false
43,436,464	== Hey == Hey, you shouldn't revert that, that's quite a vandalism...	2,006	false	user	blocked	train	false
43,437,561	:: LOL. Sorry p but I live in Europe, too, and I was not at the premiere. But I think that something is better than nothing! So let the ones who don't care about being spoiled edit it? )	2,006	false	user	blocked	train	false
43,442,505	:Apparently its standard practice and has happened many times but I haven't tracked another instance.	2,006	true	article	blocked	test	false
43,443,181	:::Excellent job! Thanks for helping out. I've just split the arrests and controversy sections you created into the years the dates fell under. I agree that it still needs pruning drastically. Perhaps a seperate article could exist for all his arrests etc, not sure if thats in keeping with the ideals of wikipedia though S What do you think?	2,006	true	article	random	train	false
43,457,186	Felonious, its still needs some indication of the original context. In particular, the way the quote is placed along with all the completely direct quotes, it makes it look like Johnson said everything in the quote, not just the parts that have single quotes around them. This should be remedied.	2,006	true	article	random	train	false
43,459,258	` Yup, I meant comment on edit summary and not ``comment out``. Sorry. I would still ask you to summarize with something more relective of the change than ``copyedit``. For your last edit you could say something like ``fix html, put back lost script`` or somesuch. I will put back what I did to fix the wikilinks (ie move to first mention, remove redundant, etc. `	2,006	true	user	random	train	false
43,460,000	Go ahead try and block me! Just try it Drakhan!	2,006	true	article	blocked	dev	false

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==Jag Bhaduria== Hey pm_shef, Here's the real story http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_02.10.94/NEWS/nv0210b.htm about how Mario Racco lost the nomination federally in 1993 to Jag Bhaduria and the real reason why Bhaduria was kicked out of the Liberal Party.

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SHANES: There is no way I bow to the unjustice and comply to that arrogant bastard. That guy reverted my edition based on the fact he claimed arrogantly that his version was better than the others. Well......you better tell me if that was a resason good enough. ALSO, Why didn't he need to start a discussion before he changed the previous article while I am asked everytime to start a discussion to so-called defend my edition?! Why he wasn't asked to defend his action while I was called to defend my edition?! This is absolutely ridiculous and obviously, there is a double standard. This guy changes others edition for the sake of changing it. He only knows to mess around and stirs up trouble. I am just here to defend my rights and not let it exploited by some troublemakers. By the way, I think I have better things to do but the only reason why I come back and persistently reverting it back to the changed version only because there is absolutely no justice. I don't want to accuse you but I think your handling is a very one-sided and biased.

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SHANES: One last thing, I won't be defending myself for swearing or insulting someone. But that's the only way to let my feeling known about the injustice in this whole saga and I don't think many people can restrain themselves from swearing and insulting at people who has been a bully and behaved constantly arrogant and unreasonable throughout. And the sorry thing is someone is being the accomplice to wallow in the mire with the criminal.

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::Looks like it has fairly strong resistance to me.... ==Language labels== Do these language tags serve any real purpose? Anyone who is not warned off an article with a clearly non-English title may not be warned by a tag eitherl and at least one of them was misplaced on Duhoux's article, which is of course in English, even though he's French.

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PS. I am 100% sure it will turn out that he is an Arab ;-)

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` i had a stab at addressing your comments. most have now been done, BUT (1) i couldnt see what was wrong with the lead - it summarizes the article well. and (2), is the ``cognitive dissonance`` thing really an opinion? just seems like the right word to describe a story that throws multiple viable & contradictory viewpoints at you. `

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` * Strongly oppose. The entire idea behind disambiguation is to separate articles, and this article needed to be disambiguated (unless you prefer the giant morass of disambig that used to be this article's header); on top of that, this article is designed to explain the linguistics of leet, and not it's cultural status; we need to also remember that the layperson will look for leet at leet and then leet (language), not leet (creole), leet (pidgin), leet (slang), leet (cipher), or any other page...(You know what? I want to know why they set a one-sentence limit for comments. I also wonder if they count parenthetical asides as sentences when they are embedded. It really makes one wonder...)...so I suppose we should keep it here, unless someone has a better place to put it (and leet is not a better place!!!) - `

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Please do not add commercial links (or links to your own private websites) to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. You are, however, encouraged to add content instead of links to the encyclopedia as we drive for print or DVD publication; see the welcome page to learn more. Thanks.

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2006 (UTC) :: So sad. One finds good contributions in an article, looks up the editor - and he has left Wikipedia. It is even more sad the aggressive POV-pushers stay. 20:21, 10 March

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4. Lancaster, PA, September 1777, for only one day? :5. York, PA, September 1777, to use Susquehanna river as defense against British :6. Princeton, NJ :7. Annapolis, MD :8. Trenton, NJ :9. New York, NY :10. Philadelphia :11. Washington, D.C. I think these are all the places that have any claim of being a capital of the United States. Of these, New York City and Philadelphia have the strongest claims of being the first capital. One question to answer is what constitutes being the first capital. Do we start the clock at the signing of the Declaration of Independence, the Article of Confederation, or the Constitution. I think that the Constitution would be the key event because before that, America was really a group of independent colonies rather than a nation. Also, I believe that New York City did not have the physical infrastructure (buildings, etc.) in place to be an actual capital for the newly formed government. I think it acted more as a temporary meeting place. Philadelphia did have a lot of infrastructure for the federal government because it was trying to woe the government into making Philly the permanent capital. In my opinion, Philly should be considered the first capital of the U.S. because it had actual capital buildings that were used by the government after the signing of the Constitution. The fact that Philly was also used as the first capital of the colonies is not relevent in my opinion. However, I am not a historian or an expert in early American history, so I don't want to update the article myself. Also, from my research, there seems to be a lot of contention about which city is the first capital. Would a historian or professor of history please comment on this issue and update the page. Daniel Barbalace : See http://www.clearthought.info for email address.

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*No, the text that I entered is not an opinion but a reasoned statement. It is not an interpretation but a reasoned statement. It may be that you are right that there should not be a separate criticism section, but, given the first part of the article, this reasoned statement can be put here. My suggestion is that more people think through what the article would look like but including the reasoned statement in the main body of the article. It is useful to have the text available in the article before the whole is re-editted, to prevent innocent readers to get a wrong impression.

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why can't i edit this page?

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. Thus, voting theorists should be careful to present voting systems to the general public without the status quo pre-condition

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think twice before presenting

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::If you suspect copyvio you should use the {{copyvio}} template and follow the procedure. -

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` :As you wish. '''''' `

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::::(1)I've read a lot of wikipedia stuff, such as various guidelines. (2) No, Rob has no such obligation to provide an email address. I never implied he has such an obligation. (3) And he may well be within the guidelines, who is to judge ? Anyway, I didn't start that discussion, and have felt from the start on safer ground by taking the discussion up from the viewpoint of the integrity of science, as I explained. If the voting system page is ONLY based upon notability, and doesn't accept reasoned argumentation, as Rspeer holds, then a scientist would want to see it deleted since it misinforms the general public about the conditions for democracy.

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==Borda fixed point== See the talk:borda fixed point page for issues pertaining there.

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:Why would it matter whether the article was written from a pro-evolution point of view? Evolution and ID are not competing ideas. Many proponents of ID accept evolution as the most reasonable explaination. What ID is at odds with, is the naturalistic axiom of science. That is, the assuption, a priori, that all science must be due to natural causes.

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*Your point on verifiability didn't pertain to my conduct. Such as other ponts made. *Please advise me. I want to have time to write my email to the professors. I cannot do so when all kinds of changes are made that I don't have control over, thus, while my a request for a time out is not respected. I really would like to have a time out. Now, do I have to ask for mediation or is there no option of having a time out ?

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:::I'm afraid that you didn't follow the history of all this. (1) I don't want to obtain an email, I want to write it. (2) Every time when someone makes a remark, I tend to think that I am obligated to reply, since otherwise that person may think that I neglect him/her, and don't think him or her worthy of a reply. But that leaves me no time to write that email. (3) Also, if I would take that time, then Rspeer could delete all my contributions in the mean time, as he already has started to do, making it hard work again to restore it. (4) I recognize that wikipedia can be accessed any time of the day, but it might be proper for you and Rspeer and others reading my request for a time out to respect my wish for it. (5) Rspeer started this discussion about my conduct on this talk page, by saying that there was a threat, while there wasn't. Now, do I have to take this seriously ? And have this nonsense here ? (6) Should I have entered my criticism on his behaviour on his talk page, instead of the borda fixed point page, where he occluded the argument on the article with his behavior ? (7) My impression now is that I have to ask for mediation to get some quiet time to formulate my argument on the integrity of science for the professors. True of false ?

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== Link == Someone placed a link to the prior article, which has been archived off Wikipedia, and is no longer Wikipedia's responsibility, in the current article. Since this is a hot news story, and the new version of the article is a stub, I see nothing wrong with giving people a link to the old version while the new one is rewritten, so they at least have something to read. Justin is of course welcome to complain to anyone hosting the old article, but as you know, trying such things on the Internet just makes more people replicate the information on their sites, and is a fruitless exercise. If someone can come up with a really good reason why we shouldn't do this, I am willing to listen, but barring that, I will happily use up my two reverts to maintain the link to the old article until the new one contains more than 2 sentences of information.

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==Borda fixed point== OK, you reverted a the talk:borda fixed point page. I don't think that this is correct. I will now remove, anyhow, the listing of the paragraph that you took offense of, and hope that this will allow you to give me the time out that I wanted. If not, please help me through the required mediation process.

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== Image:FergieP.jpg == :Image:FergieP.jpg...umm....it was labeled as promotional...so, whats the problem?

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` Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. Pilotguy ( ¦ ✉)'' `

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` == Brand names == Doesn't ``Forfour`` infringe on Morgan's 4/4? `

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: Thanks. And thanks for the solid citation. - |

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Shouldn't there be an article of each of Montaigne's essays?

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` :You seriously think that describing spray painting graffiti in a subway station as vandalism is ``loaded and POV``? `

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Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks.

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`bomb in the Diplomat hotel 20 minutes ago...after the feast...tell the government that we will destroy everyplace.`` `

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` == Ahoy == What's it like being the dweeb bitch of a worthless gawk cow? You should just move to DC and stick it to 'er, since she's lonely. Oh, that's right; you don't have the right equipment. Sorry, dipshitboy. Fucking moron. Justice will prevail over you ``vandal``-chasing idjuts. We're gonna fuck ya, and fuck ya good. No quarter. `

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:It's a prick in real life too, azzo — a disgusting, disrespectful oaf. Don't worry; its sasquatchness will be reeled in. Learn it. Know it. Live it. Abuse of admin powers (e.g., article editing domination via threat, capricious blocks for personal reasons) naturally leads to abuse of user powers. There will be no RfC here, since it decided long ago to operate outside the system. Keep trying to dominate Wikipedia with your admin button, Kitschbam0. You will work with others respectfully or get blumffled. :See ya soon, azzo. Get back there and give your fellow morons heartburn.

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== Poop boy == You. Poop. Poop boy. Poop. Poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop boy. Youuuuuuuuuuu!

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== SchtippDick == You. You boy. Youuuuuu. Terisoaio! Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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===In an effort to move this forward=== I have edited a bit in the proposed page. I must say that I can not find any fundamental problem with it other than that it is far too long and that the battle descriptions should be shortened. If that is not done, there is a risk that newer edits on the respective battle pages will not be reflected in the main article. This does not mean there are no errors or questions remaining about the proposed page. I am sure there are some, that is normal in an article of this length, but I am quite impressed with the effort spent on the article and the attempt to source. I also believe it is reasonably balanced. I have added verify tags where I felt more work is needed. I would therefore propose to: a) Replace the currently locked article with the proposed article I linked to above since it is of much higher quality. b) Archive this discussion in an attempt to calm things down, and to give those who participated in it the chance to make peace c) Keep the new article locked, and ask for comments to be made on the talk page to avoid an immediate edit war. d) Open the new article once we can be sure that a reasonable consensus has been reached on the talk page. I have no idea if these suggestions are in line with Wiki policies, but it appears to me that something needs to be done to overcome the impasse. That's my 2 pence. Between them and another 73 pennies you can get a cuppa at a greasy spoon. Regards

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`If you like to ``squash IP addresses for fun``, then you'll never earn my respect and should not be at Wikipedia. Keep it in mind when you decide that calling me a vandal will hide your transgressions. `

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` == my RfA == {| cellpadding=``2`` cellspacing=``0`` border=1 |- style=``vertical-align: top;`` |! style=``background: #BBBBBB;`` | Hello FloNight, it's always good to meet someone else who counts their cats among their family. I wanted to thank you for taking the time to consider my RfA, which passed this morning. Admins are sort of like vultures, cleaning things up and whatnot... well, as long as you don't think too much about it. If there's ever anything I can help you with, just ask; you know where to find me. × |! style=``background: #BBBBBB;`` | |} `

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== Pakistan is a republic? == Everyone knows that Musharaff seized power in a 1999 coup.Doesn't that make him more of a dictator than a President?

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Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. - please do not infuse articles with your Point Of View.

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The whole section has bad formatting and needs to be written clearer.

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== The New Royal House In Denmark == What will it be called? How do the Danes feel about a French dynasty? Are they jealous that the UK has their old one? LMAO.

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`It was precisely this that contributed to the SWP developing into an insular and ossified sect isolated from the mass movement, a trend that continued to develop even when the radical movement was in its heyday. Fundamentally, it reflected right wing ``redneck`` workerist resentnment and hostility to the movement-that is at the heart of trostkyite sectarianism generally-coupled with a bureaucratic and small shopkeeper mentality. This led to an increasing obsession with petty rules and apoliticalization at the expense of political activism and solidarity, a mentality manipulated by reactionary goverment agents like Ed Heisler. Thus, all protestations to the contrary, it reflected a reactionary mentality characteristic of religious sects who seek not to lead society, but counterpose themselves to it, which was exactly the attitude of the Party towards the radical movement. Ironically, Trainor himself was the victim of this. A good and somewhat comical take on this was provided by two hippie characters in the Party named Sudie and Geb who wrote a Marcusian screed in this period ``Against A Proletarian Orientation.```

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You are the one attacking and libelling me. I don't follow you around or make a nuisance on your talk page. Learn respect.

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`If you like to ``squash IP addresses for fun``, then you'll never earn my respect and should not be at Wikipedia. Keep it in mind when you decide that calling me a vandal will hide your transgressions. My idols are among the Christian right. If you hate them and erase my Talk Page as you did my User Page, then you can go to Hell. Fred Phelps: * ``You can't preach the Bible without preaching hatred.`` * ``God doesn't hate them because they're fags; they're fags because God hates them.`` * ``Fag Jew Nazis are worse than ordinary Nazis. They've had more experience. Jews stirred up the Romans to butcher 6 million Christians in the catacombs in the 1st century. The First Holocaust was a Jewish Holocaust against Christians. The latest Holocaust is by Topeka Jews against WBC.`` * ``Anybody babbling about 'multicultural affairs' and 'celebrating diversity' is a propagandist for the militant sodomite agenda...Westboro Baptists will picket this black obfuscator, in religious protest and warning. Being black won't get you to Heaven. But promoting fags will take you to Hell.`` * ``Homosexuals now pervade and control American government at every level and branch. Thus, only those churches that support and promote the militant homosexual agenda enjoy religious freedom. Any church in America that dares to preach what the Bible says about soul-damning, nation-destroying moral filth of the vile homosexual beasts among us, loses all Constitutional guarantees of religious freedom and speech rights.`` * ``We understand that Iraq is the only Muslim state that allows the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ to be freely and openly preached on the streets without fear of arrest and prosecution. Alas, the United States no longer allows the Gospel to be freely and openly preached on the streets, because militant sodomites now control our government, and they violently object to the Bible message...The same majoritarian sodomite tyranny that now guides the Clinton administration's repressive policies toward Gospel preaching on America's streets, is apparently responsible at least in part for the merciless slaughter by starvation of 400 innocent Iraqi babies each day in your country. If our government and laws will allow it, and at the invitation of your government, we would like to send a delegation from Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas, to preach the Gospel on the streets of Baghdad for one week in the near future.`` * ``Filthy sodomites crave legitimacy as dogs eating their own vomit & sows wallowing in their own feces crave unconditional love.`` * ``Fag priests and dyke nuns is the order of the day for Kansas Catholics. They deserve the sick, perverted leadership that now dooms and damns them.`` Pat Robertson: * ``We have allowed rampant secularism and occult, et cetera, to be broadcast on television. We have permitted somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 to 40 million unborn babies to be slaughtered in our society. We have a Court that has essentially stuck its finger in God's eye and said, 'We're going to legislate you out of the schools, we're going to take your Commandments from off the courthouse steps in various states, we're not going to let little children read the Commandments of God, we're not going to let the Bible be read no prayer in our schools.' We have insulted God at the highest levels of our government. And, then we say 'why does this happen?' Well, why its happening is that God Almighty is lifting His protection from us.`` * ``Satan has gone! God has just healed somebody! A hernia has been healed! Several people are being healed of hemorrhoids and varicose veins! People with flat feet! God is doing just great things to you!`` * ``It's appalling to me that we would debate over $14 million... one attempt to dislodge a communist dictatorship in Central America causes Congress to go into a tizzy over $14 million in aid. There's something wrong with our sickly government, in my humble opinion.`` * ``CBN is helping starving and displaced persons in 15 countries, including some in Central America. The help is absolutely non-political. Articles claiming support by CBN of the Contras in Nicaragua are incorrect.`` * ``The fact is that the Communists make people suffer. If that makes it political, then, I'm sorry, we're still going to help them.`` * ``When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. ``What do you mean?`` the media challenged me. ``You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?`` My simple answer is, ``Yes, they are.```` * ``[Planned Parenthood] is teaching kids to fornicate, teaching people to have adultery, every kind of bestiality, homosexuality, lesbianism everything that the Bible condemns.`` * ``We're legalizing Sodomy. We're now teaching witchcraft in the schools. We're legalizing sodomy. Adultery is thought of as no big deal. We haven't quite got to bestiality yet, but it's on the Internet. And, incest is more and more prevalent and the sacrifice of children through abortion is in the 30 to 40 million range. We're doing all the things that God said were so repugnant that the land itself would be repulsed and would vomit its inhabitants out. And, if there was ever a time that we need God's blessing, it's now. We don't need to bring in heathen, pagan practices to the United States of America.`` Jerry Falwell: * ``The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say: you helped this happen.`` * ``I have a Divine Mandate to go into the halls of Congress and fight for laws that will save America.`` * ``We must, from the highest office in the land right down to the shoeshine boy in the airport, have a return to Biblical basics.`` * ``I listen to feminists and all these radical gals... These women just need a man in the house. That's all they need. Most of the feminists need a man to tell them what time of day it is and to lead them home. And they blew it and they're mad at all men. Feminists hate men. They're sexist. They hate men; that's their problem.`` * ``AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.`` * ``Now, further evidence that the creators of the series intend for Tinky Winky to be a gay role model have surfaced. He is purple the gay-pride color; and his antenna is shaped like a triangle the gay-pride symbol.`` * ``I do not believe the Republicans or the Democrats have the solution to America's moral and spiritual dilemma. Only a pervasive and national spiritual awakening can prevent us entering the post-Christian era as we go simultaneously into the 21st century. I believe America is in imminent peril. We are rotting from within.`` * ``Since the Antichrist will not be revealed before Jesus comes, I believe conditions are falling in place, i.e., one-world government, so he can rule the world after Jesus comes. But we're moving toward a one-world government through the United Nations, through the world court and a growing world opinion. The problem is that the one-world opinion is taking the side of the Palestinians, not the side of Israel.`` If you want to bitch, why not join the rest of these jokers here and bring the bad news?! It's just that I won't be around to see it and give you what you want. I have decided to follow in the footsteps of , , , and . `

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You are the one attacking and libelling me. I don't follow you around or make a nuisance on your talk page. Learn respect. Slander and libel. Go on and build your evidence, but it's all water under the bridge or over the dam. Cry about spilt milk, but whatever happened is no longer happening and it seems you just want me banned because of your own inconsistent application of the rules. You think that because I prefer going by my IP address, I am some horrible person. I actually leave myself wide open to hackers, so you have little thing to be so upset about. It's my risk here, not yours. Quit complaining.

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Please stop removing content from Wikipedia; it is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.

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Hi! It was great to see not only another fan of arrested development, but also a synaesthete! Good on you! You sound like a cool guy! , 19:03 11/03/06

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` (UTC) :: I support renaming. It's the Macintosh, not Apple, that is moving to Intel. ``Macintosh Intel migration``. 19:23, 11 March 2006`

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== JESUIT HIGH SCHOOL SUCKS! == GO GLENCO! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

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` == Baffled == I'm puzzled by the behavior of the anonymous user that keeps inserting ``detachment``, and ``independence`` into a introductory paragraph of the specified complexity article, making that paragraph practically useless. It is true that detachment and independence were characterizations of specification that Dembski used in earlier versions of his work, but which he subsequently dropped as characterizations. There were lots of reasons for his having done so. The particular way this user is trying to reinsert these concepts is completely erroneous (even on Dembski's own terms). I'm not sure exactly how to proceed here. This cycle of reversion is not very productive, but mainly I don't want to place myself in the position of clarifying Dembski. `

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Hi, Kitty! Just wondering, when you say you're a conservative, how do you mean? In a political sense? Are you right wing? I was just looking at other synaesthetes, and (obviously) your name came up, and I noticed your conservative userbox, and I wondered exactly what an american conservative believed!

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*I noticed that Rob now added a notification on original research or verification. This is better than simply removing the text, but there remains a confusion. You all must distinguish me (1) as a scientist who for you is a third party and who provides sources, e.g. see me as the writer of VTFD in 2001, (b) as a scientist who helps you, just now, to get this article straight. You should note that the verifiability condition concerns facts that need be checked by various sources. But the text that I provided (in the disputed criticism section) contains a reasoned argument that you can check by the logical faculties of your minds. Thus the condition does not apply in that sense. Also the reference to original research doesn't apply, since I didn't enter original research. The research originated in 1990 and was published in 2001. The only thing I do now is correct the misleading element in the article, and provide the reader (and you as editors) with a condensed reasoned statement, that you again can check by using the logical faculties of your minds. Also, the verifiability page mentions that the sources should be unreliable. Well, again this is a non-issue for this paragraph. For, the point is that a reasoned argument is provided, so that it doesn't matter where it is from, and you have to use the faculties of your minds. If the washing lady says 1+1=2 then this has the same value as when the bishop says so, even when the bishop doesn't know what he talks about. Which is exactly why I added the suggestion, above, that when the reasoned argument is understood, the criticism might perhaps best be included in the main text, revising the main article. I didn't do that myself, since all of you would be completely shocked, not having digested that reasoned statement. Some other comments: PM 1: I doubt whether you will find many other sources on criticism other then I already included in the list of literature in the links that I provided. If someone feels like unpacking those links and transferring those references into the main body, feel free to do so. PM 2: Now that Rob has eliminated that one sentence, that he agreed was nonsense, perhaps the header Criticism is too strong, and it may be perhaps Evaluation or something like that. PM 3: If the consensus is that this group of editors cannot take responsibility for using their logical faculties of minds on the reasoned argument, then you may also attribute it to me, see Colignatus at wikinfo, and perhaps research a bit how reliable I am. Simply a Google scolar is not enough, though. PM 4: If all this fails, I would like a comment from someone who follows the logic of the reasoned argument and have suggestions how it can remain available for readers, then in another format or place.

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` ::I'm not withdrawing anything. Jimbo Wales is a whacked out control freak who seems to have appointed himself the patron saint of teenage camwhores. Wikipedia is a large cache of conventional wisdom and urban legends which could collectively care less about where the real truth lies. I greatly regret having contributed to it. In Jimbo Wales' own words... ::``If a viewpoint is held by an extremely small (or vastly limited) minority, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia (except perhaps in some ancillary article) regardless of whether it's true or not; and regardless of whether you can prove it or not.`` ::So the truth is not an issue. It's what the majority wants to believe that is the ``standard`` for Wikipedia content. Wikipedia isn't a project to accrue and represent accurate information. It's actually a means for representing the most popular beliefs with blatant disregard for the truth. I'm surprised you even have a section on evolution. `

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` ::I'd also like to add that I think the indefinite banning of Rookiee for ``pedophile trolling`` because he politely complained about the deletion of the article he contributed to, comes very close to being a bigoted slur against someone based on their professed sexual orientation. What's next, bans for ``Nigger Uppityness`` or ``Kike Craftiness?`` I've formed a very negative opinion of Jimbo and the whole Wikipedia project at this point. There isn't a single numbered principle on Jimbo's user page which you people don't regularly violate. This is definitely a case of an organization having an entirely different agenda than the propaganda it writes and disseminates about itself. `

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` ::::Your talent at invoking ``personal attack`` seems to exceed your talent at replying intelligently to any of my points. ::::If you can't take the heat, you shouldn't be editing an encyclopedia. It's pretty clear that Wikipedia's ``personal attack`` policy is simply a ploy to ban people with whom the administrators disagree, and prevent them from making contributions to Wikipedia, while at the same time preserving the illusion of some level playing field for intellectual discourse. ::::To illustrate this point, we need look no further than the items removed by Jimbo from the Justin Berry talk page, citing ``personal attack``, which included every mention of the term ``camwhore,`` which is itself a Wikipedia topic, and the following paragraph. Please feel free to try and figure out who is the victim of the ``personal attack`` here. ::::``I'm dissapointed that the majority of this page was deleted, most likely because one of the editors is a self-admitted pedophile. Is it fair to declare that a pedophile can't be neutral on a page that involves pedophilia?. I guarantee that wikipedia wouldn't ban a Jew from editing a page on the holocaust, or ban a black person from editing a page on affirmative action. A pedophile is just as capable of editing with a neutral POV on a subject matter dealing with pedophilia, as a Jew or a black would be on an issue that involves Jews or blacks. Wikipedia claims to be a online encyclopedia that anyone can edit. If that doesn't include pedophiles, than how is that fair?. If we allow certain sexual minorities to be silenced, what's next?, allowing certain racial minorities to be silenced as well. As a frequent reader and occasional editor of wikipedia, I only want to read factual, neutral POV articles, and I don't care about the race, nationality, ethnicity, sex, or sexual orientation of the editor. Even if most people have moral objections to pedophilia, surely we can agree that we all have a right to post on wikipedia as long as we abide by the rules.`` ::::You people talk a good game, but what you say and what you do are two entirely different things. `

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== Email to Sean Black == I did not want this text to be publicly known, since I still have to contact the professors, but in the current situation I see no choice but to put the draft text here. *PM 1. I earlier emailed this draft to Rob Speer and Joe Hall for comment, and just sent it out to Sean Black. *PM 2. I noticed that I am also blocked from the RfC page. I have not had much time to investigate what the intention of that page is, since I am writing my email to the professors, so I don't know whether that page or being blocked from it is important. *PM 3. It is not true that I only editted pages on myself. *PM 4. Who hold that contacting a professor would be the same as contacting an employer, neglect my earlier comment that I approach the issue from the angle of the integrity of science. The proper reaction is not to neglect it but give the argument why this angle would be improper. *PM 5. On the RfC Joe Hall suggests that my objective would be to punish him or so. No, I only suggest that the professor and he discuss the situation from the angle of the integrity of science. Earlier I wrote that this would be very beneficial for him. *PM 6. Joe mentioned that Hal Varian no longer is the dean at SIMS. Thus the draft needs at least one change. *PM 7. I told everyone that I wanted a time out. Why don't you respect that wish ? Didn't I read somewhere that a truce was also an option ? Dear Mr. Black, I saw that, while I was composing my letter to the professors at MIT and SIMS, further action on wikipedia about me. There is an RfC which I am not familiar with and now you seem to have been blocking me whatever that is. Below you find the draft text of my letter to the professors. If you think that this is threatening and not befitting a scientific community, please reply. A few hours ago I already sent this draft text to Rob Speer and Joe Hall. With an introductory text, that I no longer have, since wiki-mail has no cc. But they might forward the email sent to them. I would appreciate it if you could explain the problem and what I can expect. Please see also my recent edit of Arrow's impossibility theorenm. My regards, Thomas Colignatus DRAFT To the president of MIT Professor Susan Hockfield http://web.mit.edu/hockfield/ hockfield@mit.edu To the dean of SIMS, University of California at Berkeley Professor Hal Varian http://www.sims.berkeley.edu/~hal/ hal@sims.berkeley.edu March 11, 2006 Dear professors Hockfield and Varian, Dear Hal, I have a problem on the integrity of science with two of your students, Rob Speer at MIT who started the problem, and Joseph Lorenzo Hall at SIMS who is interfering in an unhelpful way. The problem is summarized in the appendix. Obviously, the integrity of science is a difficult subject even for academics so there must be a great deal of tolerance with students. With students, they certainly cannot be held accountable as scientists can, and they are only learning the trade. Yet, students e.g. know that one cannot cheat a test and that one must study a topic before one gives conclusions on it. When issues of integrity arise, it can be very educational for them to have the issue discussed. In this case, these two students would learn a lot about scientific conduct and scientific integrity. In the present case, the issue is on the behaviour of these students on the internet, in particular wikipedia. It appears that communication with these students is greatly hindered by that environment, which does not allow the quality of deliberation provided by a personal chat with a person that they respect. My reason to contact you is to ask you to find a teacher or counselor at your school to have that chat. It is to be considered whether the activity of those students within wikipedia is related to their life as students at your schools. My impression is that this relation exists. Firstly, they present themselves on their wikipedia pages as students of MIT and SIMS, thus partly referring to those institutions and their education there, implying their relation to you. Secondly, they are active in editing work, where they refer to learned books and where they use difficult words. Their behaviour thus cannot be strictly separated from their education and prospective position as scientists. This is most clearly so with Joseph Lorenzo Hall who is already a Ph.D. student who thus must write scientific papers for the journals. For Rob Speer, who started the problem, it can be observed that his education on computing science is relevant for the topic where the problem arose. In the end, it is with students similar as with academics: An academic can still be a good academic “professionally” even if he or she steals roses from the neighbours or tells gossips to friends in church, but, the expectation would be that that behaviour would not occur. The expectation would be decent behaviour, worthy of an intended graduate or doctor, especially when the integrity of science is involved. The relation to your school also arises directly from the nature of their misconduct. When a student behaves badly in an area that he sees as distinct from his education, it can be educational to him or her to be reminded that this behaviour does not fit a graduate, for which the very education is intended. As said, I kindly ask you to find a teacher or counselor within your institution to discuss matters on a personal level with those students. I already tried to explain it to them via the contact that is provided by the internet, but this didn’t help, and my hope is that such a talk on a personal level would help them to see the problem. Unfortunately, the student Rob Speer only provided the co-ordinate “a senior at MIT studying computer science and music” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rspeer) and explicitly refused to give a name and email address of his professor. There appear different organizations dealing with computer science at MIT, so I can only write to the President, professor Hockfield, with the polite request to forward this issue to the appropriate person. To my relief, though, I noted a speech by professor Hockfield where she discussed academic integrity, in the case of two scientists at Lincoln Laboratory, so I have been confirmed that integrity has her attention. The Ph. D. student Joseph Lorenzo Hall can be identified via http://josephhall.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Joebeone, joehall@berkeley.edu. At the present, SIMS is smaller than MIT, so I suppose that professorVarian can identify this student with some ease. Both students have been informed of this letter, via the email addresses on their webpages. For the information of professor Hockfield I may add that I had brief contact with professor Varian some years ago, notably on his economics programs for Mathematica and my Economics Pack, applications of Mathematica. (This Pack has decent quality. Once I sold via a third party, Wolfram Research Inc., but they resold unexpectedly to other resellers, halving my margin, so I had to stop that outlet.) Professor Hockfield might also inquire with professor Blanchard at MIT, since he once gave a lecture in Holland and met me; though it seems he hasn’t had time yet to study my work, so I mention his name only with great hesitation. Respectfully yours, Thomas Cool / Thomas Colignatus http://www.dataweb.nl/~cool cool@dataweb.nl

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` ::::TML1988, for those of us who apparently aren't as bright as the Wikipedia staff and administrators, who clearly know what's best for everyone, would you please explain *precisely* what in the above paragraph to which you responded is a ``personal attack``? This is beginning to look to me very muck like you're on a mission to silence any criticism of Wikipedia's motives or accuracy, by painting ``personal attack`` with an excessively broad brush. Please specify so that we mortals might gain some insight into your collective opinions' apparent infallibility. `

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==A question, if I may?== SSG, are the Army's colors really blue and gold? I seem to remember them as green and gold - maybe because of the class As.

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==Reply from Sean Black== That you have attempted to gain the personal information of Wikipedia editors proves to me that my block was a good thing. Sean == Re == Dear Mr. Black, Sean, You wrote: > That you have attempted to gain the personal information of Wikipedia > editors proves to me that my block was a good thing. Well, it appears that we have different frames of reference. I am a scientist working under the scientific code. Any ground for mutual understanding there ? E.g. to leave decisions on this blocking / unblocking to administrators with a firm ground in science (and not just students) ? I can admit to be flabbergasted by all these developments. I simply wanted time to write a good letter explaining the situation from the angle of the integrity of science, and then all this... Please note that the RfC page is selective, interpretative, and now also blocked ... It would be an advance if you could unblock that page so that I might answer later next week. PM. You also deleted the Colignatus page. Why didn't you consult me first ? Did you see my comments on the deletion review page ? Regards, Thomas Cool / Thomas Colignatus

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Until before 50 years, jews had same status with blacks.You were not allowed to prestigious places.But that has changed by investing money on media... Don't forget; Nazis were praised about what they have done against jews in USA...

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` If CNN,CBS and Hollywood belongs to us, we will be stereotyped also...It was also limited the immigrants who came from asian and mediterranean countries too...Dont you heard that? I didn't suprised, actually.You've grown up there.Here is not said ``Talat Pasha hates Armenians`` right as well. `

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:Can't believe I didn't notice this. Thanks.

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` **** While steriods were not ``against the rules``, per MLB guidelines, they need not have been, as they were, and are, a federally regulated controlled substance. The use, distribution, or dispensation of steroids is regulated per the Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 1990. In this case MLB did not even say that steroids were within the rules; they didn't say anything at all. Even if MLB had explicitly said the use of steroids were within the rules, it would still be a moot point. While it is true that MLB is a private organization, they do not have the right to set rules that contradict local, state or federal law. Even if state and local laws allowed for steroid use (which they don't), the federal law would trump them all(see the DEA's shameful prosecution of medical marijuana users if you need this substantiated). `

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told me(by the way what happened to him?) and i already knew it.I know ellis island and i have been there but i won't say my opinions about that.I've neevr heard angel island... Khoikhoi: We say that we love albanians also.Because we have 1 naval and 1 air base in albania.One of our best tongs.Just as Israel is puppet of USA.Anyone can love anotherone by chancing conditions.Did you understand now?

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:I don't remember, that was months ago that I changed that. ::

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' that are not either self promotion or personal attacks, despite several warnings, I've blocked him indefinitely. If he is able to demonstrate to me or any other admin that he will not engage in this behaviour further, he may be unblocked, but if the behaviour does continue after being unblocked, then I expect that he will be blocked again.Sean Black (talk) ==Final letter to MIT and SIMS==

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== Articles deleted by Wales == Do you have a list of these somewhere? *watching*

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` == Something for you... == Distinguished Service Award'' for your significant contributions to Wikipedia's coverage of the United States Marine Corps. — ]]`

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`#Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. e||||m `

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:Let's be honest here. You've blocked me because I am amongst the growing crowd who are questioning the motives of those amongst the Wikipedia staff and administration when it comes to blocking accurate, npov, thoroughly-sourced information in the Justin Berry article. Do you even know why, are you just playing lemming like the rest of them?

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:::Discussion is a two-way street. Where's the Wikipedia editor/staff contribution to the discussion on the Justin Berry talk page? Why are all the questions from my side of the argument being ignored? Why has no one yet managed to justify the removal of any of the thoroughly-documented information from the Justin Berry page? I'm not trying to throw gasoline onto a fire here. I don't have an agenda, and I'm honestly not particularly interested in Mr. Berry or his sordid history. What I am interested in is seeing Wikipedia be an respected and accurate source of free information for those who seek it, and when the Wikipedia staff themselves engage in an organised effort to remove accurate information with no justification whatsoever (we normally call this [Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalism]), Wikipedia's credibility goes out the window. Justify yourselfs and maybe we'll start to listen. My side has justified itself repeatedly. It's your turn now.

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` Welcome! Hello, , and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers: *The five pillars of Wikipedia *How to edit a page *Help pages *Tutorial *How to write a great article *Manual of Style I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! '0''' `

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:::(...at which point I am predictably ignored and stonewalled, which seems to be the Wikipedia staff's official response to any direct questioning on the Justin Berry issue. One might think they've hired Scott McClellan to handle their PR. Clearly they are aware of the untenability of their position, and they're really hoping it will just go away. Sorry guys, it won't.)

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`) :: You're both right and wrong. If you believe that we've ``Persianized`` Arabian mathematicians/scientists other than Geber and Alhazen then please name them and prove otherwise (that they are Arabs), if not, then quite simply, your argument is unfounded. You're right in that even if you could argue that Alhazen was Iranian (e.g. Sassanid influence in Basra) it still would not mean that he was ``Persian``. I believe that there's more going in favour of Geber being a Persian than Alhazen. (UTC`

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==Gratitude== THANK YOU ALL FOR EXPANDING MY ARTICLE SO EXTENSIVELY. How did it get so much attention, by the way?

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I am a typical Democrat. I stand for social and economic justice. You guys apparently do not. Rather, you stand for the sockputtery of basically, why do you hate Jesus and believe the Ten Commandents are errant? I acutually object to adultery, but you as Republicans are dedicated to sock-pupptery, and sleeping-around is your version of Good-By-Jesus. Shall I call you a homosexual slut? Clearly, you belive adultery is a good wiki thing.

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==Consensus is mispelled== And you are guilty, Tony.

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is a common prostitute, a sock-puppet. I've done lots of edits, perhaps 3000, but the EB1911 project is now gone so it's only about 2000 edits. I can become foul-mouthed. is your basic sock-puppet mouth-pervert pervert. C'est moi, FourthAve.

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:He writes them by hand, mails to ghost blogger, who posts them exactly as written. (Annoyingly, the ghost blogger doesn't separates blocks of text into easier-to-read paragraphs. ==Where did he access the Net?== Before getting caught, where would he post from? Where would he use a computer to post these blogs?

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==Counter Example== The claim of the ideal state of affairs can only come about, if it includes this criteria is false: The claim: The marginal rate of transformation in production is identical for all products. This occurs when it is impossible to increase the production of any good without reducing the production of other goods. This is a false claim with the following counter-example: The United States no longer sees horse-carriages that have been replaced by the automobile. The increased production of the automobile reduced the production of the horse-carriage implying that Pareto efficiency never existed or could never exist, because it cannot account for all things including future technology that greatly improved the efficiency of all things by the automobile (the United State production capability after adjusting for inflation and other economic factors from 1950 to 1990 and the automobile and resulting highways was just one technology influence of this). The automobile technology is about 120 years old, and the horse-carriage has been around since time immemorial, but the horse-carriage is now is very uncommon and replaced by the automobile. This is a counter-example, therefore the description of ideal state of affairs is inadequate, and you know in mathematics and philosophy that means it is worthless.

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::::::Ok guys, . Now how do I arrange the list into columns? A single-column list might lengthen a page considerably. Also, feel free to add any deceased notables that have very likely gone to hell, that haven't been added already. Thanks.

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` Great point about mundane knowledge on talk page. No one would ask you to cite your sources if you were to claim that the s in ``version`` is a voiced prepalatal fricative and the g in ``virgin`` is a voiced prepalatal affricative, right? English's 16 or so vowels make it difficult for foreigners, and althgough I can distinguish between all of them I've noticed that Americans can't eg dist between ``dad`` and ``dead`` - but don't cite me on that!`

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` Just as I'm not sure about mopane worms I'm also not sure about crickets. We don't eat many insects here in central RSA, but there is a Sesotho proverb ``bana ba motho ba seha leoto la tsie`` lit. ``siblings divide the grasshopper's leg`` ie people should always share no matter how little they have. Hope that helps! ZyX `

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` :sockpuppets!! if u guys r talking 'bout the sarvagnya guy and me..i should say..``LOL`` ))...i dont see why it bothers you anyway, if you have a point..a valid point ie. i just think that u guys have been caught with your pants down.`

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WHAT KIND OF SICK UNTRUE RUMOUR IS THAT?

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`]] == Andre, I noticed you still haven't changed the phrase in Sesotho. Do I need to ``cite my sources``? Is the fact that I've been speaking the language for some 21 years not enough? Who was your original source? Some French site about ``Sutu``? Some lame ``Teach yourself`` book-let/brochure? If you can't trust a 1st language speaker with an interest in linguistics then who can you trust? Please respond on my talk page. `

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:Hi, the message was related to this edit.

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:Ah, I see you wrote down it was GNU. Can this template be added to the picture, then? Template:GFDL

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` The article claims that his father was Mokhachane - his name was actually Khachane. No, this is not an example of the prefix war - ``mokhachane`` means ``a pregnant woman`` and my late brother's second name was Khachane. I have mo idea what the name means, but it could be from Mokhachane. Please just change it - be italic. `

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`== ``Of Lesotho`` == How many other Letsie III's are there? `

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` *Congrats! Woo-hoo! `

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== Hey == Hey, you shouldn't revert that, that's quite a vandalism...

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:: LOL. Sorry p but I live in Europe, too, and I was not at the premiere. But I think that something is better than nothing! So let the ones who don't care about being spoiled edit it? )

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:Apparently its standard practice and has happened many times but I haven't tracked another instance.

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:::Excellent job! Thanks for helping out. I've just split the arrests and controversy sections you created into the years the dates fell under. I agree that it still needs pruning drastically. Perhaps a seperate article could exist for all his arrests etc, not sure if thats in keeping with the ideals of wikipedia though S What do you think?

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Felonious, its still needs some indication of the original context. In particular, the way the quote is placed along with all the completely direct quotes, it makes it look like Johnson said everything in the quote, not just the parts that have single quotes around them. This should be remedied.

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` Yup, I meant comment on edit summary and not ``comment out``. Sorry. I would still ask you to summarize with something more relective of the change than ``copyedit``. For your last edit you could say something like ``fix html, put back lost script`` or somesuch. I will put back what I did to fix the wikilinks (ie move to first mention, remove redundant, etc. `

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Go ahead try and block me! Just try it Drakhan!

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